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| 00:00.55 | bpun | themill, ok.. i found it-> brlcad: powerful combinatorial Constructive Solid Geometry, 1714 days in preparation. |
| 00:01.03 | bpun | themill, 1714 days.. hmm hahahah |
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| 00:01.25 | themill | bpun: it seems that upstream isn't very careful about using released versions of libraries |
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| 00:02.50 | bpun | themill, if u see http://brlcad.org/ , u can see that it a google summer of code for 2009.. |
| 00:03.12 | bpun | themill, so it still is getting worked on.. |
| 00:03.31 | themill | That doesn't mean that they are good at writing software that is easy for others to package and distribute. Other notable failures on that score are: mozilla, openoffice, eclipse, ... |
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| 00:04.10 | themill | bpun: there's work going on with the packaging.... if you're interested in the package, why not help? http://git.debian.org/?p=debian-science/packages/brlcad.git;a=summary |
| 00:04.43 | BlueG | clarjon1: [ 78.641721] [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5 |
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| 00:05.19 | bpun | themill, i dont think i'm ready for that.. i'd still have to see how complex brlcad is organizing.. |
| 00:05.37 | BlueG | I'm never sure what to look for in dmesg... |
| 00:05.44 | bpun | themill, it probably has alot of sloppy files in it.. after initially created many years ago |
| 00:06.01 | Multiply | Does anyone know, why oidentd keeps failing, at looking up users? It keeps replying with "NO-USER" |
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| 00:08.06 | BlueG | hmm, there are a few of these... [ 0.338039] system 00:00: iomem range 0x0-0x9ffff could not be reserved |
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| 00:08.35 | KC | Managed maroon trade circles: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=69404 |
| 00:08.36 | BlueG | and this [ 32.160952] agpgart: Detected 892K stolen memory. |
| 00:08.46 | BlueG | I'm not sure if any of that is relevant |
| 00:09.08 | abrotman | KC: wrong channel ? |
| 00:09.28 | BlueG | simonrvn: bts? |
| 00:09.42 | KC | ... |
| 00:09.47 | KC | apparently thats not server specific |
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| 00:14.03 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 00:14.03 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 00:22.40 | sepult | is there any way to get the framebuffer relly use the radeonfb |
| 00:22.43 | sepult | driver and not vesa ? |
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| 00:45.37 | BackLash|TheFly | ok im trying to compile "nosleep4u.c" and im getting errors. http://www.pastebin.ca/1573470 |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | !tell BackLash|TheFly about apt-file |
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| 00:51.47 | BackLash|TheFly | god.. i want something i can just ! at and it does my bidding |
| 00:51.57 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | !find pth.h lenny |
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| 00:53.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pth.h' (5 of 30): (/usr/include/pth.h) in libdevel/libpth-dev ;; (/usr/include/alogg/aloggpth.h) in libdevel/libalogg-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/twisted-doc/howto/deferredindepth.html) in doc/twisted-doc ;; (/usr/share/virtualbox/sdk/include/xpcom/nsprpub/md/_pth.h) in misc/virtualbox-ose ;; (/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/clutter/ClutterBehaviourDepth.html) in doc/libclutter-doc. |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | BackLash|TheFly: but apt-file is usually quite a bit faster .. but it's in libpth-dev |
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| 00:56.50 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah for some reason aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update wasnt working for me :p |
| 00:56.59 | GuySoft | hey all, i am trying to compile a kernel patch called ppscsi. and i am getting: linux/config.h: No such file or directory . why could this happen while compiling a kernel? |
| 00:56.59 | BackLash|TheFly | i am getting libpth-dev tho |
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| 00:59.51 | abrotman | !config.h |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | hrm .. |
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| 01:07.16 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: got any nifty commands to tell me where LD_PRELOAD resides? |
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| 01:07.33 | BackLash|TheFly | i think its in lib |
| 01:07.46 | BackLash|TheFly | but its ld-linux.so.2 |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | to do what exactly ? |
| 01:08.01 | BackLash|TheFly | im disabling usleep |
| 01:08.08 | BackLash|TheFly | then modifying it to suit my needs |
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| 01:08.32 | BackLash|TheFly | thats what nosleep4u.c was about |
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| 01:15.39 | darkham | hi people, how can i set xine for a clear dvd playback? |
| 01:15.49 | darkham | it's ever almost dirty, with scanlines |
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| 01:17.14 | darkham | hi people, how can i set xine for a clear dvd playback? |
| 01:17.35 | abrotman | so you just said ... |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | darkham: which distro are you using? |
| 01:18.13 | darkham | abrotman, sorry for repeating |
| 01:18.26 | darkham | i had a mistake with my keboard |
| 01:18.37 | darkham | i use an ubuntu |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | then ask #ubuntu |
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| 01:19.29 | darkham | no people responding me in an hour, so i asked at the "mother" |
| 01:19.35 | darkham | :) |
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| 01:19.54 | abrotman | darkham: ask #ubuntu, Ubuntu is not supported in this channel |
| 01:20.19 | Pirate_Hunter | how does one keep track of ips connecting to a webserver or those trying to establish unauthorised connections? |
| 01:20.29 | darkham | abroatman: xine configuration isn't the same? |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | darkham: Ubuntu is offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 01:21.42 | abrotman | darkham: you can ask #ubuntu or #xine or ##linux perhaps |
| 01:21.55 | EvilPsych | evening all |
| 01:22.09 | EvilPsych | anyone got time to talk to a linux n00b? |
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| 01:23.57 | Pirate_Hunter | is there an app to help manage webserver? |
| 01:24.07 | EvilPsych | someone's offered me an AS/6000 (eserver pseries) setup for next to nothing.. |
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| 01:24.56 | BackLash|TheFly | abrotman: basically im looking for LD_PRELOAD so i can tell it to look at nosleep4u.so when it calls a sleep function |
| 01:24.58 | EvilPsych | and i'm wondering if it's worth fooling with |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | a sleep function ? |
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| 01:26.06 | blubaustin | hello |
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| 01:26.56 | EvilPsych | sorry RS/6000 |
| 01:27.32 | BackLash|TheFly | yup my nosleep4u.so is based on http://www.pastebin.ca/1573510 |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | EvilPsych: not sure what you want to know about it .. it's a PowerPC machine i'd imagine .. unless it's a cabinet one, i'd take it |
| 01:27.49 | EvilPsych | well |
| 01:27.52 | EvilPsych | it's actually |
| 01:28.06 | EvilPsych | 2 cabinets with 6 servers and a raid array, with management console |
| 01:28.22 | EvilPsych | whats wrong with a cabinet setup? |
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| 01:28.36 | EvilPsych | i'm thinking it might be good for my auction house |
| 01:28.38 | Pirate_Hunter | anyone care to answer my question? ivw got it setup, I think it is secure at least to the ebst of my ability it is secure now I want to know how I go about managing it without having to go to the logs all the time |
| 01:28.58 | blubaustin | I was wondering if anyone knew why I am getting a error 255 "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.29.1-custom not in control info make[2]: *** [debian/stamp/binary/linux-image-2.6.29.1-custom] Error 255" ? |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | EvilPsych: just that they are large .. and i believe they use 220V |
| 01:29.30 | darkham | abroatman: in any case, what do you use for a clean dvd playback? |
| 01:29.41 | EvilPsych | 220v is not a problem.. size is not a problem |
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| 01:30.21 | markybob | that's what she said |
| 01:30.37 | EvilPsych | i figure with the price, even if it takes me a year to get them setup and running nicely, it'll be worth it to me - (extremely low tech budget) |
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| 01:31.29 | EvilPsych | is $200 too much for a system like i've described - (no drives) |
| 01:31.50 | EvilPsych | :-) |
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| 01:32.45 | markybob | EvilPsych, no. use http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 01:33.54 | abrotman | darkham: i'm not going to tell you again .. go to #ubuntu for support, this channel is to support Debian users. You're *not* using Debian. Have a good day. |
| 01:34.36 | EvilPsych | markybob why? |
| 01:34.55 | markybob | EvilPsych, ...because it fits your requirements? |
| 01:35.04 | puddles | darkham: enable deinterlacing |
| 01:35.14 | EvilPsych | i'm looking to expand to 30-50 employees |
| 01:35.45 | markybob | EvilPsych, and? you need to give more info if you want better suggestions |
| 01:35.55 | EvilPsych | ok. |
| 01:36.10 | markybob | 50 employees for $200 is pretty funny, though |
| 01:36.14 | markybob | good luck with tha |
| 01:36.16 | markybob | that* |
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| 01:36.51 | EvilPsych | i run a new auction house with live internet bidding - looking to incorporate our own bidding solution eventually without relying on outside providers.. |
| 01:36.54 | puddles | dude, you're trying to run 50 employee shop on freebies? LOL |
| 01:37.13 | EvilPsych | most of that 50 would be more for email, etc. |
| 01:37.16 | puddles | what do you pay them with, peanuts? snacks? |
| 01:37.23 | EvilPsych | commission based. |
| 01:37.28 | puddles | figures |
| 01:37.44 | EvilPsych | every single auction house has started very small |
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| 01:38.07 | puddles | yeah but frugal != cheapskate |
| 01:38.30 | markybob | EvilPsych, small and stupid cheap dont necessarily go together |
| 01:38.31 | EvilPsych | if for $200 I can get a solution that will work until we're making millions |
| 01:38.42 | EvilPsych | and i can afford a larger solution |
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| 01:38.51 | markybob | EvilPsych, you're not gonna get a $200 box that deals with 50 users ...just not happening |
| 01:39.11 | EvilPsych | uhm |
| 01:39.18 | jspiros | I've got a PCI IDE card installed in addition to the built-in controller, and if I have only one device enabled on one of the built-in ports, it shows up as /dev/hda, but if I have devices enabled on both, the PCI controller takes over /dev/hd[a-d] |
| 01:39.25 | jspiros | any ideas? |
| 01:39.30 | EvilPsych | did you read my post about getting 6 eservers (pseries) for $200? |
| 01:39.47 | markybob | EvilPsych, i dont give a fuck what you've posted. it's not happening |
| 01:39.59 | heihaier | openssh-client have a segment fault error in debian squeeze on my yeeloong notebook computer(loongson2f cpu, mipsel). |
| 01:40.04 | EvilPsych | what. not getting them for $200? |
| 01:40.10 | EvilPsych | or not supporting 50 people |
| 01:40.15 | puddles | jspiros: it's just bios discovery order, you don't really want to care about /dev/hda /dev/hdb anyway. use LABEL= or UUID= instead to avoid the dancing device names |
| 01:40.28 | markybob | EvilPsych, the latter |
| 01:41.02 | EvilPsych | so one mail server can't handle 50 people? |
| 01:41.07 | puddles | well it depends ... 50 users doing what? |
| 01:41.15 | jspiros | puddles: since / is on /dev/hda, can I change that to LABEL= or UUID=, and it'll work? Should I change grub conf too? |
| 01:41.18 | EvilPsych | are you serious? |
| 01:41.24 | markybob | an auction house? no. sporatic emails? sure |
| 01:41.36 | puddles | (because one lowly 4GB machine, dual core cpu, handles about 100 exceed ondemand sessions just fine) |
| 01:41.39 | markybob | EvilPsych, are *you* serious? you're being stupid |
| 01:41.41 | EvilPsych | It's not an eBay style house |
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| 01:41.51 | EvilPsych | i never said it was |
| 01:42.05 | Pirate_Hunter | anyone here care to tell me how to manage a webserver, are there any good application that are helpful in doing so like quickly picking up ip addresses and unauthorised connections |
| 01:42.07 | markybob | EvilPsych, while i'm saying you're stupid |
| 01:42.30 | neutrino | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | Pirate_Hunter: please stop repeating .. you'd probably do better to ask the channel for your distro though |
| 01:42.44 | puddles | jspiros: no, grub doesnt know about device unique id, only bios drive. however, linux can use either device names/partitions, or LABEL= and UUID=, read man pages on mount |
| 01:43.16 | puddles | markybob: go easy dude ... |
| 01:43.37 | EvilPsych | more of a liveauctioneers.com type auction.. but only one auction at a time.. |
| 01:44.09 | puddles | Pirate_Hunter: what you, a human, think of as "unauthorized connections" will need to be defined in more concrete terms before a piece of software can agree with your definition ... fair? |
| 01:44.50 | markybob | EvilPsych, you're totally delusional. you cant do that with a < $200 box. what you should be looking at is a VPS |
| 01:44.52 | puddles | EvilPsych: do you even have software for this? |
| 01:45.03 | markybob | EvilPsych, $20/month will do you at linode |
| 01:45.08 | EvilPsych | *sigh* |
| 01:45.17 | EvilPsych | forget the goddamn pricetag. you seem to bge hung up on that |
| 01:45.37 | markybob | EvilPsych, yes, i'm sorry for being stuck on the requirements that peopl ask for |
| 01:45.39 | EvilPsych | the hardware i just said above.. cant that handle more than 50 people |
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| 01:46.05 | Pirate_Hunter | puddles: just trying to figure out a way to keep track of ips connecting to the server without the need for commands such as tail, by unauthorised connection those that try to make multiple connection to the server because a they are trying some kind of attack, trying to find someway to gain access etc |
| 01:46.09 | puddles | EvilPsych: until you define what those 50 people will be doing, i think this discussion is pointless |
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| 01:46.13 | markybob | EvilPsych, forget your ideas. go for VPS. that'll do you |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | Pirate_Hunter: why are you asking here if you're using Ubuntu? |
| 01:46.51 | justin | EvilPsych: who is going to pay to power that thing? |
| 01:46.58 | justin | EvilPsych: do you have any idea how big that thing is? |
| 01:46.59 | puddles | Pirate_Hunter: well, you don't need any software for that beyond "netstat" ... you can then count how many simultaneous connections to your server based on unique IP's |
| 01:47.19 | EvilPsych | christ on a cupcake. you come in asking a simple question, you get dick answers. |
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| 01:47.35 | markybob | how is VPS a dick answer? |
| 01:48.11 | justin | forget it, that guy has no business doing whatever he is trying to d |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | and yes, he could run 50 users off a $200 box |
| 01:48.41 | markybob | abrotman, yes. 50 coma users. |
| 01:48.46 | justin | abrotman: that is not a $200 box |
| 01:48.49 | puddles | justin: pretty much, no idea about software at all, just saying something like "i want to do something like <x>, <y>, and <z>" ... more like daydreaming stage |
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| 01:49.26 | AruNatsu | how can i run an X program (say, for example, xterm) on X? (without anything else, including DM) |
| 01:49.28 | abrotman | justin: the cost of the box he was talking about is irrelevant .. i just said you could run 50 mail users that send/receive/pop3 off a $200 box |
| 01:49.36 | puddles | markybob: dude ... my company recently threw away a bunch of dual core xeons with tons of memory .. to US they're worth zero, they'll handle 50 users easy ... |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | AruNatsu: like in a kiosk ? |
| 01:49.41 | Pirate_Hunter | puddles: did you just say count? hmmm of 1000 connection even knowing I doubt i'll be getting them i would need to count how many are actally unique? |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | puddles: send them to me next time! |
| 01:49.56 | Pirate_Hunter | puddles: maybe i misunderstood what you are trying to say |
| 01:49.59 | puddles | abrotman: :-) :-) :-) |
| 01:50.02 | justin | that is like saying "my friend will sell me a ferrari for $1000 but it has no engine or transmission", can I drive to the store with it? |
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| 01:50.05 | markybob | puddles, your point? did your company sell it for < $200? |
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| 01:50.25 | markybob | puddles, seriously...dont be retarded |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | you forgot an apostrophe |
| 01:50.36 | AruNatsu | abrotman: on my desktop :) |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:50.40 | puddles | Pirate_Hunter: netstat ... | sort -n -k <field> | uniq > uniq-ips; and so on so forth |
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| 01:51.06 | puddles | markybob: if we gave them to someone, THAT cost to that someone is ZERO. THEREFORE, a ZERO-COST option exists |
| 01:51.08 | AruNatsu | i'm just looking for a command to run since "X" simply gives me an empty X :( |
| 01:51.14 | macrobat | AruNatsu: put "xterm&" and other things to start in your .xinitrc |
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| 01:51.16 | puddles | markybob: what's retarded about that? |
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| 01:51.58 | macrobat | AruNatsu: then startx, windows will cover eachother in top left corner, no window decorations |
| 01:52.00 | markybob | puddles, the fact that 2 is greater than 1. if you dont know simple math, then fine, it's not retarded. if you've passed second grade, you're a fucking moron |
| 01:52.28 | dondelelcaro | puddles, markybob: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 01:52.32 | puddles | markybob: and how do you justify your position of recommending a VPS without even knowing how the VPS is going to be used? |
| 01:52.39 | AruNatsu | macrobat: oh kk |
| 01:52.50 | puddles | OK |
| 01:53.01 | Pirate_Hunter | puddles: ahh so with that I can keep track of connections and no extra software need, so much to learn so little time |
| 01:53.31 | Pirate_Hunter | puddles: will explore that hopefully will get the hang of it |
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| 02:03.37 | JNSamuel | so, whats with the epiphany web browser in debian. don't you like firefox? |
| 02:03.56 | JNSamuel | ive never seen so much default garbage |
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| 02:04.32 | markybob | JNSamuel, epiphany in general is shit...though most people dont agree with me on that |
| 02:04.44 | wire | seems I have a corrupt super block on my /home partition (ext3) |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | JNSamuel: if you don't like it, don't use it .. there are a few others in debian |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | JNSamuel: maybe you want to try iceweasel ? |
| 02:05.22 | wire | more to the point bad magicnumber is superblock |
| 02:05.43 | JNSamuel | iceweasel is just a copy pasted version of firefox |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | kind of .. but anyways |
| 02:06.41 | JNSamuel | i don't understand the rebranding nonsense, or why debian can't use firefox when every other distro can |
| 02:06.52 | zinx | JNSamuel: because mozilla won't let them :P |
| 02:06.53 | wire | anything I can do besides e2fsck -b 8193 or whatever it is |
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| 02:07.01 | dkr | and what we do not understand we mock |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 02:07.04 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 02:07.14 | stew | JNSamuel: ask mozilla, they are the ones that made us change the ame |
| 02:07.19 | stew | ^ame^name |
| 02:07.27 | JNSamuel | why not? almost every distro distributes firefox |
| 02:07.38 | jamon | jspiros: read and you'll see |
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| 02:07.46 | wire | iceweasel is not current with firefox though |
| 02:07.48 | stew | JNSamuel: why not what? |
| 02:08.02 | zinx | !be a reading barbie |
| 02:08.03 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, zinx |
| 02:08.04 | JNSamuel | ..why won't it let them |
| 02:08.13 | stew | JNSamuel: ask them |
| 02:08.44 | wire | ok, so any help recovering my entire /home partition? |
| 02:08.49 | JNSamuel | it let every other one. either that or its a conspiracy theory that the developers just don't like it |
| 02:09.12 | stew | JNSamuel: afaik, yes, it let every other one |
| 02:09.18 | jamon | JNSamuel: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+firefox+logo |
| 02:09.32 | stew | its not just about the logo |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | jamon: read the link above .. |
| 02:09.59 | jamon | yes it's a trilicense with copyright restrictions |
| 02:10.29 | jamon | s/copyright/trademark |
| 02:11.11 | wire | having a webbrowser would be so nice right now |
| 02:11.41 | stew | JNSamuel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 is the bug that mozilla filed in our bug tracking system telling us we weren't allowed to use their firefox trademark |
| 02:11.47 | JNSamuel | i wouldn't have thought an open source project would have followed copyright bs |
| 02:12.06 | stew | JNSamuel: debian takes software freedom very seriously |
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| 02:12.27 | JNSamuel | not really, the firefox rebranding proves that |
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| 02:12.44 | stew | JNSamuel: what did that have to do with copyright bs? |
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| 02:13.55 | dkr | why are we feeding this troll? :) |
| 02:14.33 | wire | seriously, you could be helping me with my wacky permission |
| 02:14.38 | wire | err partition |
| 02:14.40 | JNSamuel | im talking about firefox, setting restrictions on skimpy names |
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| 02:15.03 | abrotman | wire: you'll have to start with an fsck i would think |
| 02:15.12 | dkr | wire: yeah, fsck is necessary o restore backup superblock |
| 02:15.16 | wire | it just says bad magicnum and gives up |
| 02:15.18 | dkr | to |
| 02:16.10 | dkr | hrm, i guess the part that identitifes that it is a ext3 partition is messed up, you might have force it after making certain you've got the right partition |
| 02:16.26 | justin | maybe the backup block you are giving it is corrupt as well? |
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| 02:18.02 | wire | I know it is the right partition, it is right where it should be and the correct size |
| 02:18.19 | wire | I have a backup, but it is several months old |
| 02:18.55 | wire | fsck.ext3 |
| 02:18.57 | wire | oops |
| 02:19.50 | dkr | maybe you used the wrong blocksize when specifying the backup superblock? |
| 02:20.05 | wire | maybe? I probably used the defaults |
| 02:21.30 | wire | it is a 128gig partition |
| 02:21.52 | wire | what is the default blocksize? |
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| 02:23.21 | dkr | good question, :0 "If omitted, block-size is heuristically determined by the filesystem size" |
| 02:23.33 | dkr | (from man mkfs.ext2) |
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| 02:25.08 | charonp1 | is there a good way to install debian from the small iso, and do it with kde4? |
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| 02:25.33 | dkr | wire: mkdir foobar ; ls -l foobar is it 4096? |
| 02:25.49 | charonp1 | or is installing without desktop environment, then installing kde4 the best way |
| 02:26.16 | dkr | if block size is 4k man fsck.ext2 says to use -b 32768. |
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| 02:27.56 | abrotman | charonp1: use the netinst .. and install KDE afterwards from the net |
| 02:27.59 | dkr | charonp1: my guess is the latter since it seems so simple |
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| 02:28.41 | wire | dkr I already tried every power of 2 up to quite a ways |
| 02:29.01 | dkr | !tell charonp1 about install kde |
| 02:29.22 | wire | all my other partitions are 4k blocksize though |
| 02:29.31 | charonp1 | !kde |
| 02:29.32 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels, or ask me about <remove kde> |
| 02:30.00 | charonp1 | !install kde |
| 02:30.00 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
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| 02:31.45 | abrotman | charonp1: please msg the bot |
| 02:31.54 | wire | looks like my backup is from 7-30-09 |
| 02:31.56 | wire | :/ |
| 02:32.42 | charonp1 | ok, i didn't see that the bot had msg'ed me. |
| 02:34.02 | wire | this sucks, there was stuff I needed on that partition |
| 02:34.07 | wire | ls -la |
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| 02:35.35 | Snadder | Why is the sound in my flash plugin not working (I have latest one installed).. happens after I've runned firefox for a while.. |
| 02:36.05 | Snadder | When I restart firefox.. it all works for a while again |
| 02:36.41 | charonp1 | if i uncheck "Desktop Environment", will I have to configure xorg myself later? |
| 02:36.49 | Snadder | I'm running debian lenny |
| 02:38.04 | Snadder | I have installed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | charonp1: if you leave that, it will install gnome .. it's much easier if you skip it now |
| 02:38.28 | Snadder | from backports.org |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | charonp1: when you login as root the first time .. you can just `aptitude install kde kdm xorg` .. and go make dinner |
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| 02:44.31 | charonp1 | abrotman: ok, so xorg automatically configures then? |
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| 02:45.44 | abrotman | charonp1: hopefully |
| 02:46.34 | charonp1 | i hope so too. I really hate configuring xorg. :) |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | what kind of video card is it ? |
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| 02:49.05 | haowan | debian stable software is too old? |
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| 02:49.54 | charonp1 | ati radeon xpress 200m 5955 |
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| 02:51.33 | abrotman | i'd think that would be okay |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | haowan: seems fine here |
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| 02:55.56 | bpun | thats right.. he just quits.. no bye.. nothing.. |
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| 03:01.27 | plt | how can i change the hostname without affecting the stuff in apache, exim4, dovecot etc. ? |
| 03:01.41 | plt | do i have to regenerate all the certificates too ? |
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| 03:05.18 | bradland | I'm new to linux system administration. I've been using CentOS 5, but recently decided to give Debian Lenny a shot on a new VPS. I noticed that there are some significant differences in the way Apache is installed. Is there somewhere I can read about the directory layout for the Apache install on Debian? |
| 03:07.22 | wire | ok, so I think it must be my partition table that got screwed up and the partition is not starting where it says it should |
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| 03:13.01 | bpun | !refcard |
| 03:13.02 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 03:13.19 | bpun | bradland, hints are also indicated under /usr/share/doc |
| 03:13.45 | bradland | thx bpun, I'll have a look in there |
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| 03:14.52 | wire | how can I grep for a hex value? |
| 03:15.01 | wire | grep -b \0x8032 or something? |
| 03:15.26 | wire | err 0x8038 |
| 03:16.41 | bradland | bpun: WOW! This is great stuff! I'm glad I came in here. |
| 03:16.46 | bradland | Thanks again. |
| 03:17.15 | bpun | bradland, dont thank me.. i'm just a stupid newbie too :) |
| 03:17.23 | bpun | bradland, glad we can help ya.. |
| 03:18.21 | bpun | bradland, there's also a wiki, which hasnt always existed before.. |
| 03:18.24 | bpun | !wiki |
| 03:18.46 | bpun | bradland, though apt-get is talked about.. try to use aptitude instead.. |
| 03:19.02 | bradland | there is no cow level :) |
| 03:19.09 | bpun | !wiki debian |
| 03:19.13 | charonp1 | I'm getting a lot of package-x have unmet dependencies for apt-get {kde-full, kde-standard, and kde} |
| 03:19.35 | bpun | tried to point out there's a debian wiki somewhere on the net.. |
| 03:19.55 | bradland | http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 03:19.56 | charonp1 | i have ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main in my sources.list |
| 03:20.04 | bradland | woops, the cow comment was intended for an IM |
| 03:20.22 | bradland | i loaned my nephew my starcraft CD, hahaha |
| 03:20.31 | bpun | bradland, what's cow level? that like irc jargon |
| 03:20.42 | bradland | it's actually a starcraft cheat |
| 03:20.48 | bugjar | bpun : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_II#Secret_Cow_Level |
| 03:20.50 | bradland | he's trying the game out for the first time |
| 03:21.04 | bradland | and of course he wants to know all the cheats right away |
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| 03:24.04 | bpun | bradland, extreme tux racer is the best game ever |
| 03:24.50 | bpun | !smack bradland |
| 03:24.50 | dpkg | smacks bradland upside the head. |
| 03:24.59 | bpun | use debian |
| 03:25.19 | charonp1 | what is wrong with apt-get. if a package has a dependency, why doesn't it just install the dependency? |
| 03:25.39 | bpun | charonp1, try aptitude update, then issue aptitude cmd |
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| 03:27.12 | charonp1 | bpun: ahh. much better |
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| 03:32.22 | bpun | bradland, u still there? |
| 03:32.30 | bradland | yep |
| 03:32.36 | bradland | i really like the debian apache layout |
| 03:32.47 | bradland | i love the idea of using symlinks for enabling/disabling vhosts |
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| 03:33.02 | bradland | when i was using centos, most people just crammed everything in httpd.conf |
| 03:33.07 | bpun | bradland, there's this newbie shell i found helpful.. called fish (aptitude install fish), if you type "apt<tab><tab>" or "dpkg<tab><tab>" a list of descriptions show up for matching cmds.. |
| 03:33.17 | bradland | i always created a vhosts/ directory |
| 03:33.30 | bpun | bradland, (u can run the fish shell cmd first before trying <cmd><tab><tab>) |
| 03:33.31 | bradland | that's pretty cool |
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| 03:36.38 | hopper_irc | how to install opera 10 in debian 5 |
| 03:36.57 | hopper_irc | I have downloaded a .deb package |
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| 03:37.16 | bpun | hopper_irc, well u can add contrib or non-free and do aptitude install opera -- if i'm correct .. otherwise download the deb from their webpage |
| 03:37.56 | hopper_irc | bpun: I have already downloaded it |
| 03:38.22 | bpun | thinks opera is probably not in any debian non-free or contrib |
| 03:38.23 | hopper_irc | bpun: but can not installit |
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| 03:38.36 | simonrvn | bpun: it isn't |
| 03:38.52 | simonrvn | hopper_irc: man dpkg |
| 03:39.28 | bpun | hopper_irc, http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/841/ |
| 03:39.29 | stew | debian cannot legally redistribute opera |
| 03:39.36 | bpun | ah |
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| 03:39.52 | bpun | stew, the opera folks were decent enough to explain their repository setting |
| 03:40.07 | bpun | just spotted their website explaining how to make the deb line |
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| 03:44.31 | debian | hi, how do I enable an interface? |
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| 03:46.38 | flourish | hi all, howto slow down the mouse, even if i make it slowest in System->Preferences->Mouse, it is much faster to use. How can i do it manually |
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| 03:48.08 | unomi | so is it 'official'? has debian adopted a fixed release cycle? |
| 03:48.17 | bpun | flourish, change the mouse driver |
| 03:49.01 | bpun | unomi, around december it'll be known.. |
| 03:49.22 | stew | unomi: sort of. we don't have fixed release dates though, just fixed times that we'll freeze, but I don't think we have all the details yet about what it will actually mean |
| 03:49.40 | unomi | although, just reading about the details of it now.. adopting a fixed 'freeze point' isn't that bad |
| 03:49.43 | stew | unomi: since debian freezes in parts, like first the toolchain, then base, than standard... |
| 03:49.56 | bpun | unomi, i read it'll be yearly cycles.. the next release is still gonna be decided.. |
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| 03:50.13 | stew | and typically the time between the toolchain freeze and when are in total freeze is months |
| 03:50.22 | unomi | im seeing that its every 2 years. |
| 03:50.24 | stew | every 2 years |
| 03:50.25 | stew | yes |
| 03:50.34 | unomi | thanks stew, good luck with it :) |
| 03:50.45 | bpun | well it seems to have been.. but from what i read.. that's suppose to change after this december.. |
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| 03:51.04 | unomi | I was more worried that it would be fixed release dates etc, ala ubuntu, which (imo) would be a huge step backwards |
| 03:51.22 | bpun | unomi, as i said.. probably around december it'll be known. |
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| 03:51.41 | bpun | unomi, u can read more about if from the debian site.. |
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| 03:52.21 | bpun | unomi, they gonna revisit the decisioning ... so thats why no date is known for the next release.. |
| 03:52.44 | stew | and even if it was decided, we'd not have a date for the next release |
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| 03:56.35 | bradland | 'night all! |
| 03:56.38 | bradland | Thanks for the help |
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| 04:49.37 | konr | Guys, how can I configure my sound card, now that alsaconf is no longer part of alsa-utils? |
| 04:50.52 | macrobat | !alsa |
| 04:50.52 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <alsa install>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:51.51 | man_in_uni | waves |
| 04:51.54 | sshock | how do I set up a virtual interface (e.g., tap0)? |
| 04:51.54 | tczern | hello, anyone here who is using Jack and Ardour? |
| 04:52.11 | sshock | I want it to work just like eth0, but have its own IP address. |
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| 04:52.26 | tczern | I wonder if you are working with the default Kernel or if you installed an RT-Kernel |
| 04:52.39 | man_in_uni | i don't suppose there's a way to set the terminal fonts on boot without losing the cute little tuxes at the top of the screen? :) |
| 04:53.53 | macrobat | i think tuxes is a matter of resolution, idk |
| 04:54.31 | man_in_uni | sure |
| 04:54.41 | man_in_uni | i've got grub gfxpayload set nice and high |
| 04:54.56 | man_in_uni | but when debian loads the terminal fonts, the tuxes disappear |
| 04:55.30 | macrobat | tczern: i have used ardour + jackd without rt-patch. i dont remember what latency i got |
| 04:56.01 | tczern | do you remember if you had a bunch ox xruns or not? |
| 04:56.25 | macrobat | later i compiled a kernel just editing the config, no patching |
| 04:57.03 | macrobat | tczern: i set the buffersize large enough so i didnt get xruns |
| 04:57.12 | tczern | ok |
| 04:58.13 | macrobat | but i didnt do much, recording 1 track at a time with click or with a background track |
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| 04:59.01 | macrobat | now i have voluntary preemption in the kernel |
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| 05:05.18 | konr | for some reason, I have two devices, /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1. How can I remove the first, which doesn't work, and make the second the default? |
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| 05:10.22 | AruNatsu | http://quark.me/ss/tamaki-1253509526.png <- gotta love ncmpc :) |
| 05:10.54 | phidah | Where is the transmission configuration files located? |
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| 05:13.35 | konr | who creates these /dev/dsps? Why do I have two? |
| 05:14.06 | clarjon1 | konr: those have to do with your sound card |
| 05:14.16 | clarjon1 | /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0 are the same thing |
| 05:14.31 | konr | clarjon1: I have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| 05:14.33 | clarjon1 | konr: type this inot the terminal: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 05:14.41 | clarjon1 | s/inot/into/ |
| 05:14.53 | clarjon1 | and get your ^C ready ;) |
| 05:14.56 | konr | clarjon1: yes, only /dev/dsp1 produces noise |
| 05:15.06 | clarjon1 | huh |
| 05:15.08 | clarjon1 | weird |
| 05:15.22 | konr | I have no idea why I have both |
| 05:15.25 | clarjon1 | konr: And i believe that they are automatically created |
| 05:15.55 | konr | clarjon1: hmm, yes... but by what? |
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| 05:16.12 | clarjon1 | konr: Dunno. Udev perhaps? |
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| 05:17.12 | konr | clarjon1: hmmm, any idea on how to fix it? |
| 05:17.25 | acid- | why would alias dpkgsize="dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n" fail when i execute dpkgsize (it outputs just a bunch of lines with "Size; 10" yet if I manually enter the command, it works fine? |
| 05:17.47 | clarjon1 | konr: dunno |
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| 05:21.50 | BackLash|TheFly | i am the master of redundancy |
| 05:21.51 | BackLash|TheFly | ! |
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| 05:23.08 | bpun | anyone knows about bios/vga_memory_share size? (pci onboard vga, but i use agp video card for X) i'm wondering if changing this size in bios has any performance effect -- ( i dont suppose it does ) |
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| 05:24.07 | Cope | morning; I'm using openvz from lenny; from inside a VE I try to mount an NFS share, but I get mount.nfs: No such device |
| 05:24.22 | Cope | Is there kernel support in the lenny/openvz kernel? |
| 05:24.44 | Cope | IIRC there used to be userspace NFS support available |
| 05:24.51 | Cope | dpkg: nfs |
| 05:24.51 | dpkg | somebody said nfs was Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS |
| 05:25.27 | Dryanta | lol |
| 05:25.37 | Dryanta | n e: subjectivity |
| 05:28.02 | man_in_uni | ggrrrr |
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| 05:32.56 | konr | Apparently, my system is using the wrong video driver, and Xorg was installed without an xorg.conf file. Should I create one in order to select the video driver of my preference? |
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| 05:34.30 | BackLash|TheFly | X -configure? |
| 05:34.50 | BackLash|TheFly | should generate a basic xorg.cfg to work with |
| 05:35.45 | BackLash|TheFly | i know that i got better performance out of my ati card by inputing every little squeak of information about my card |
| 05:36.31 | BackLash|TheFly | and generally someones tried before there should be ample coverage on it if you search it in www.google.com/linux |
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| 05:41.00 | AruNatsu | -rwxr-x--- <- rwx for owner, r-x for root, --- for others, right? |
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| 05:42.38 | AruNatsu | oh nvm |
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| 05:43.20 | BackLash|TheFly | lol i was about to give you a google link damn :/ |
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| 05:43.35 | BackLash|TheFly | ruining my fun (being a smartass) |
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| 05:44.13 | BackLash|TheFly | amd64 version here i come! |
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| 05:44.37 | BackLash|TheFly | just found out my featured server product works well on 64bit ^^ |
| 05:45.05 | BackLash|TheFly | unfortunately this is after ripping my hair out the last 12 hours setting this one up |
| 05:45.55 | BackLash|TheFly | note to self * researching for 3 hours can save 12 hours |
| 05:46.12 | BackLash|TheFly | from a business standpoint thats a huge profit ^^ |
| 05:47.54 | BackLash|TheFly | TWM for the win! BTW |
| 05:48.21 | BackLash|TheFly | who needs a full gui :P i have ugly colors and baby puke green tabs |
| 05:48.37 | BackLash|TheFly | everybody wins right? |
| 05:48.59 | BackLash|TheFly | NINJA VANISH |
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| 05:53.08 | bpun | anyone knows about bios/vga_memory_share size? (pci onboard vga, but i use agp video card for X) i'm wondering if changing this size in bios has any performance effect -- ( i dont suppose it does ) |
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| 05:53.47 | ramkumar_ | debian |
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| 05:54.53 | bpun | ramkumar_, u dont come often here. Excuse me but i come here to help people, not insult them |
| 05:55.09 | ramkumar_ | how i prevent the folders from un authorised access (ie how i set the password for folders) |
| 05:55.14 | omid8bimo | is thinking to try Debian with kFreeBSD kernel :: |
| 05:55.57 | bpun | ramkumar_, password on what type of filesystem? |
| 05:56.29 | bpun | an http folder? |
| 05:57.02 | bpun | goes away |
| 05:57.15 | ramkumar_ | bpun: ext3,ntfs or just directories |
| 05:57.37 | ramkumar_ | no |
| 05:58.16 | bpun | ramkumar_, man chmod |
| 05:58.43 | ramkumar_ | bpun: k i ll try |
| 05:58.45 | bpun | ramkumar_, for different filesystems you use the "mount" cmd + mount options for specific users/groups |
| 05:59.18 | bpun | ramkumar_, chmod is for folder/file, chmod is for filesystem mountpoint |
| 05:59.39 | bpun | ramkumar_, -->"mount" is for filesystem mountpoint (not chmod) |
| 06:00.00 | ramkumar_ | bpun:actually my prob is i want to lock the folders with password |
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| 06:00.59 | bpun | ramkumar_, why? |
| 06:01.18 | EugenMayer | iam following this howto: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny to add a chrooted sftp account for one user. Loggins with the user though ssh work, when I add "Mathc User myuser" with a chroot, I can't login anymore. any ideas? |
| 06:01.30 | bpun | !efs |
| 06:01.30 | dpkg | i heard efs is at http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/efs/ (Extent File System support (read-only)) or emacs' integrated FTP client |
| 06:01.55 | phidah | When I try running "apt-get install transmission" it says that there are broken packages. What can I do about this? Full output: http://paste.viaweb.biz/p/445 |
| 06:01.59 | ramkumar_ | bpun : my friends are accessing my personal folders |
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| 06:02.48 | roe | ramkumar_, you need to set your FS permissions properly |
| 06:03.06 | roe | phidah, what release? |
| 06:03.12 | phidah | 5.0 |
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| 06:03.16 | ramkumar_ | roe : how ? |
| 06:03.22 | phidah | of debian that is :) |
| 06:03.24 | roe | chmod |
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| 06:03.58 | bpun | ramkumar_, this might give ideas http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto http://encryptionhowto.sourceforge.net/Encryption-HOWTO-4.html |
| 06:04.22 | ramkumar_ | bpun: ok |
| 06:04.24 | roe | phidah, safe to assume you did an update before the install? |
| 06:04.35 | phidah | yes |
| 06:04.50 | roe | if you don't make your files world readable then your friends can't read your files |
| 06:05.01 | phidah | I just removed transmission, but now I can't install it again |
| 06:05.20 | ramkumar_ | roe: for read ,write,execute option is 555 for private what is the option? |
| 06:05.58 | bpun | EugenMayer, i was able to get it working with the group, (this was a while ago)-- what ref are you using? |
| 06:06.15 | roe | ramkumar_, http://ss64.com/bash/chmod.html |
| 06:06.36 | ramkumar_ | roe : ok roe |
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| 06:06.41 | EugenMayer | bpun: looking in the logs, it seems like it is a permissions error in the home dir. Eventhough its owned by the user which is trying to login |
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| 06:08.04 | EugenMayer | bpun: I just don't get it.. |
| 06:08.13 | bpun | EugenMayer, the home dir needs to be under /anothersystemtochroot/home/username |
| 06:08.26 | EugenMayer | bpun: Sep 21 08:07:34 localhost sshd[10977]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/themer" |
| 06:08.29 | bpun | EugenMayer, or whatever |
| 06:08.51 | EugenMayer | bpun: not sure what you mean. I mean, its only SFTP, not chrooted shell. |
| 06:09.05 | EugenMayer | oh well, wait |
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| 06:09.15 | roe | phidah, I just installed it fine here |
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| 06:09.18 | roe | what is your error |
| 06:09.29 | EugenMayer | bpun: ChrootDirectory /home/themer |
| 06:09.40 | phidah | roe, I pasted it here: http://paste.viaweb.biz/p/445 |
| 06:09.45 | EugenMayer | bpun: doe that mean, there must be a /hom/themer/home/themer? |
| 06:09.48 | bpun | EugenMayer, just follow a reference online.. |
| 06:09.57 | EugenMayer | bpun: I do.. |
| 06:10.05 | EugenMayer | bpun: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 06:11.13 | roe | phidah, try aptitude install transmission |
| 06:12.03 | roe | I think aptitude has some better dependency resolution |
| 06:12.15 | iv_s | hi, when i call df -h, its shows around 600mb on /. but, when i try to apt-get install somepackage i get "no enough disk space". what's wrong? |
| 06:12.48 | roe | iv_s, can you pastebin df -h? |
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| 06:12.54 | bpun | EugenMayer, "Mathc User myuser" << Match ? |
| 06:13.37 | EugenMayer | bpun: http://pastebin.com/d302a10d9 |
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| 06:14.06 | MoLoToV | hi to all, i have a problem with virtualbox: Codice d'uscita: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) Componente: Machine Interfaccia: IMachine {540dcfda-3df2-49c6-88fa-033a28c2ff85} someone can help me? |
| 06:14.06 | phidah | roe: http://paste.viaweb.biz/p/447 |
| 06:14.19 | EugenMayer | bpun: in there, there is a "themer" directory owned by that user. Anyway, now it seems to accept the password but then |
| 06:14.51 | EugenMayer | bpun: http://pastebin.com/dd21ec37 ( below ) |
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| 06:15.07 | ramkumar_ | what is the command for setting password for the text file |
| 06:15.12 | phidah | Hmm, actually if I say no first time, it suggests an older version |
| 06:15.15 | phidah | 1.22 |
| 06:15.23 | bpun | EugenMayer, are you trying to ssh with myuser? |
| 06:15.35 | EugenMayer | no, filezilla sftp |
| 06:16.13 | EugenMayer | bpun: but sftp runs through the normal shell port or? |
| 06:16.15 | bpun | ramkumar_, you encrypt the partition.. ur asking an advanced topic.. there may be easier alternatives if you ask in #kde.. but these alternatives may not be as good |
| 06:17.07 | bpun | EugenMayer, sftp is a command subsystem under ssh.. if you use forcecommand, you disallow "shell" and force logins to use only "sftp" |
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| 06:17.50 | EugenMayer | bpun: yes, but I is wrapped through the SSH port, so if I moved by openssh port from 22 to 2222, I need to use 2222 for SFTP, right? |
| 06:17.51 | ramkumar_ | bpun: actually we can set the password for zip file by adding the option '-e' while creating it..like wise i am asking? |
| 06:17.52 | samferry | quick question for anyone-- anyone know where Audacious' stream-to SHOUTcast settings are? I know Audacious can play out to an IceCast or ShoutCast server, but I'm not totally sure on where the settings are. Anyone? |
| 06:18.21 | bpun | ramkumar_, that has nothing to do with linux then. |
| 06:18.35 | bpun | ramkumar_, you should of asked how you want to use "zip" |
| 06:20.06 | bpun | EugenMayer, ssh is just an encryption connection. Ssh is used for shell + any other subsystem u want under it-- eg: sftp.. X11forwarding, etc.. |
| 06:20.24 | bpun | EugenMayer, sftp is ssh, but forcecommand locks out the shell aspect |
| 06:20.46 | EugenMayer | bpun: got it, but what's the problem now?! I mean, user themer has the home dir /home/themer, chrooted to /home |
| 06:20.52 | bpun | EugenMayer, rather technicall, sftp runs under ssh.. (it gets tunneled under the ssh connection) |
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| 06:21.30 | ramkumar_ | bpun: ok leave it |
| 06:22.03 | bpun | ramkumar_, man zip << it should say |
| 06:22.05 | iv_s_ | roe: http://pastie.org/624256 |
| 06:22.15 | EugenMayer | bpun: do I need to install something to use sftp in general? |
| 06:22.17 | bpun | ramkumar_, i will leave it.. you should rtfm once in a while |
| 06:23.03 | bpun | EugenMayer, filezilla should work.. (of course u'd change to port 2222 on the settings for filezilla as well) |
| 06:23.11 | roe | iv_s_, and can you paste your error? |
| 06:23.20 | bpun | EugenMayer, if it doesnt then its ur server setting/chroot stuff |
| 06:23.22 | EugenMayer | bpun: but as you see, it just reconnects immideatelly |
| 06:24.04 | ramkumar_ | bpun : what s rtfm |
| 06:24.18 | EugenMayer | ramkumar_: read the fucking manual |
| 06:24.26 | bpun | ramkumar_, use ark manager.. if you dont want to learn how to use the shell, dont expect help from me |
| 06:25.10 | bpun | EugenMayer, i left him for him to help himself.. i've been more than patient enough.. (if u see the history by what i mean).. |
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| 06:25.29 | EugenMayer | bpun: it was not an offence at all. I feel with you :) |
| 06:25.39 | bpun | EugenMayer, it's pita that chroot stuff.. i asked for help before on it.. folks told me to give up.. but I did get it to work.. |
| 06:25.45 | ramkumar_ | ok...........leave it |
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| 06:26.12 | bpun | EugenMayer, i may set it up again.. but who knows... (as i said i managed to get it working using 'group' rather than 'user') |
| 06:26.21 | iv_s_ | roe: http://pastie.org/624256 |
| 06:26.29 | EugenMayer | bpun: in general, you did not add any chroot ENV in the chroot folder, AFAIK this is not needed for sftp, only for chrooted shell |
| 06:26.42 | EugenMayer | well I can use group, I don't care. Wait a second |
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| 06:27.35 | EugenMayer | bpun: using groups, I get the same issue |
| 06:28.52 | roe | iv_s_, something is funky. Can you do an apt-get clean? |
| 06:28.54 | bpun | EugenMayer, ok so i'll make a chroot sftp for a user here.. i bet i can get it to work.. just tell me the ref u used for making the chroot environment.. did u use bootstrap lenny? |
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| 06:29.36 | EugenMayer | bpun: ok wait, I guess we miss eachother. I did not ANY chroot ENV |
| 06:29.51 | EugenMayer | bpun: as I got told, this aint needed for SFTP at all, only for chrooted ssh |
| 06:29.53 | roe | the fact that it is trying to create ./usr/share/emacs... is odd (the ./) is unexpected |
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| 06:30.24 | roe | what is your pwd? |
| 06:30.39 | bpun | wonders if EugenMayer is drunk |
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| 06:30.55 | EugenMayer | bpun: no :/ |
| 06:31.00 | majkl578 | hi |
| 06:31.16 | majkl578 | i'm getting an error while installing libapache2-svn |
| 06:31.18 | bpun | EugenMayer, you said you dont want ssh, just sftp. |
| 06:31.25 | EugenMayer | bpun: exactly |
| 06:31.33 | bpun | (ssh as meaning, "ssh shell") |
| 06:32.08 | bpun | EugenMayer, lets keep it simple, when someone says "ssh", they mean really "ssh shell" (like going to a bash shell), "sftp" -> like filezilla, (even though ssh connection we know is needed) |
| 06:32.34 | EugenMayer | bpun: yeah, I mix ssh and shell up, sory |
| 06:32.41 | bpun | or we can say sshbash |
| 06:32.47 | bpun | that would be easier.. |
| 06:33.02 | EugenMayer | bpun: I don't need a sshbash / shell, I only need sftp for a user, connecting with filezilla |
| 06:33.03 | bpun | EugenMayer, so u want sftp.. that's all i understand from you |
| 06:33.11 | EugenMayer | bpun: 100% correct. |
| 06:33.23 | bpun | good (cuse u said "<EugenMayer> bpun: as I got told, this aint needed for SFTP at all, only for chrooted ssh") |
| 06:33.36 | EugenMayer | bpun: my bad |
| 06:33.49 | bpun | EugenMayer, you are drunk arent ya? |
| 06:34.03 | bpun | lol |
| 06:34.12 | EugenMayer | bpun: I fixed it!! |
| 06:34.32 | EugenMayer | bpun: under lenny, you are not allowed to use "ForceCommand /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server    " |
| 06:34.41 | bpun | EugenMayer, that guide is not enough.. you need to make the chroot tree structure |
| 06:34.44 | EugenMayer | you have to use ForceCommand internal-sftp |
| 06:34.59 | EugenMayer | bpun: no you don't. only if you want to use bash / shell |
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| 06:35.31 | EugenMayer | in addition under lenny you have to use Subsystem sftp internal-sftp instead of Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 06:35.33 | iv_s | roe: after apt-get clean - same error... |
| 06:35.43 | bpun | EugenMayer, no i dont? what does that imply saying i dont? You got sftp working ? << if not then ur even more drunk.. |
| 06:36.00 | EugenMayer | bpun: it is working and I did not add this ENV |
| 06:36.10 | roe | iv_s, when you execute the install what is your pwd? |
| 06:36.25 | bpun | EugenMayer, hmm.. cuse when i did it the internal- thing wasnt working--- i got it working with a chroot tree structure... |
| 06:36.27 | EugenMayer | bpun: no use of debianbootstrap, no use of make-jail |
| 06:36.48 | bpun | EugenMayer, well thats good.. then.. u just got it working like a minute ago or smthing? |
| 06:36.50 | EugenMayer | bpun: yeah but it is not needed...its more a syntax problem in the sshd config file |
| 06:37.04 | EugenMayer | bpun: 30 seconds yes. While we were speaking |
| 06:37.23 | bpun | EugenMayer, the time i tried this (more than a year ago), internal- didn't work.. (for sftp in account) |
| 06:37.34 | bpun | EugenMayer, and just a change to 'group' ? |
| 06:37.37 | roe | iv_s, I concur with your observation. I don't know, my best advice is... use vi? |
| 06:37.46 | majkl578 | i'm getting an error while installing libapache2-svn: "ERROR: Module dav does not exist!" |
| 06:38.10 | EugenMayer | well, bpun, lemme switch back to user and check |
| 06:38.42 | bpun | EugenMayer, were u able to make a folder under filezilla? |
| 06:39.17 | EugenMayer | bpun: yes could run "mkdir" and yes, User also work |
| 06:39.42 | iv_s | roe: pwd is my home dir, and about vi, emacs is just example, i get this error for all deb... |
| 06:39.48 | majkl578 | anyone? |
| 06:40.01 | roe | iv_s, I figured, just making a joke |
| 06:40.03 | bpun | EugenMayer, what is ENV supposed to be? |
| 06:40.23 | roe | iv_s, have you checked your filesystem? |
| 06:40.42 | EugenMayer | bpun: lemme call it "/bin /usr /etc /var" |
| 06:40.58 | EugenMayer | bpun: all you create with a debian bootstrap |
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| 06:41.15 | bpun | EugenMayer, dont do this.. just keep things simple.. |
| 06:41.49 | iv_s | roe: i don't know how:) as i think i should unmount root fs and fsck it, but how to unmount it? |
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| 06:42.32 | roe | you need to boot to an alternate media |
| 06:42.40 | roe | usually a live cd |
| 06:43.19 | bpun | EugenMayer, id' like to try this.. i'm curious as to what is 'ENV'? |
| 06:43.47 | bpun | !remount |
| 06:43.59 | EugenMayer | ENV is nothing, bpun, just forget about it, wait a secondf |
| 06:45.52 | EugenMayer | bpun: https://wiki.impressive-media.de/doc/sftp-mit-chroot-unter-debian-lenny-mit-der-build-openssh-chroot |
| 06:46.09 | EugenMayer | bpun: even though its german, iam sure you see what is needed. Nothing more. |
| 06:46.25 | iv_s | roe: ok, thanks for help:) i'll try it |
| 06:47.11 | bpun | EugenMayer, it says "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp", u using this? |
| 06:47.36 | EugenMayer | bpun: that's EXACTLY what differs from the default docs and what makes it work |
| 06:47.54 | EugenMayer | bpun: but in addition, below, you also need the chanegd ForceCommand |
| 06:47.57 | roe | anyone know how to use 'at'? |
| 06:48.36 | bpun | EugenMayer, you're right.. it worked for me here.. |
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| 06:48.55 | bpun | EugenMayer, thanks |
| 06:48.56 | bpun | :) |
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| 06:49.04 | EugenMayer | bpun: well, thank you :) |
| 06:49.08 | Pavlz | hello |
| 06:49.25 | Pavlz | i got a pen drive usb kingston 1 gb |
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| 06:49.45 | Pavlz | i would to mount GNU/linux Debian over it |
| 06:49.47 | bpun | EugenMayer, all i did was commentout the default Subsystem line.. and added a Match entry (Match user <user>, chrtoodirectory /home) |
| 06:50.03 | Pavlz | where can i find documentation about ? |
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| 06:50.07 | bpun | EugenMayer, and replaced the default subsystem line to Subsystem sftp internal-sftp |
| 06:50.40 | bpun | EugenMayer, you should post this as an example to the openssh package |
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| 06:51.53 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 06:53.33 | Pavlz | hi |
| 06:53.56 | mick_laptop | what is the best way to get a .deb and make sure that all the dependencies (other .debs along w/ their dependencies) will be downloaded? I have a machine that is nowhere near a network where I'd like to install a .deb (but i don't want to make a bunch of trips, and I don't want to waste time w/ a whole DVD) |
| 06:54.19 | Pavlz | where can i find documentation to mount GNU/linux Debian on a pen usb 1 gb ? |
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| 06:54.31 | mick_laptop | Pavlz: google |
| 06:56.17 | mick_laptop | Pavlz: actually all links that come up aren't helpful |
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| 06:56.22 | mick_laptop | Pavlz: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:56.24 | bpun | EugenMayer, are you blogging this? hahahaa |
| 06:56.48 | bpun | EugenMayer, everyday someone asks about this.. you're the first i know that succesfully done this other than me :) |
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| 06:57.10 | mick_laptop | seriously? |
| 06:57.21 | mick_laptop | bpun: it isn't *that* hard |
| 06:57.21 | BackLash|TheFly | Hey anyone here use TWM? for some reason after reinstalling my irc program isnt in applications menu anymore :/ (yes i installed it thats what im talking on duh) |
| 06:57.41 | EugenMayer | mick_laptop: oh yes? why didn't you helped then? |
| 06:57.49 | BackLash|TheFly | just dont wanna have to launch it from terminal every time |
| 06:57.59 | EugenMayer | bpun: something is strange about ChrootDirectory |
| 06:58.23 | bpun | EugenMayer, oh ? |
| 06:58.27 | EugenMayer | bpun: if you try to set it in a directory with a depth more then one, it fails "bad ownership" |
| 06:58.36 | mick_laptop | EugenMayer: i forgot the name of unetbootin |
| 06:58.40 | EugenMayer | bpun: so /home works, /home/foo won't |
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| 06:58.51 | mick_laptop | that is what i used, and it worked for me |
| 06:59.11 | mick_laptop | granted there are some other rather convoluted ways in the debian wiki |
| 06:59.16 | bpun | EugenMayer, well i dont see damage.. if u have many users in /home, they wont even be able to go to /home, but /home/user |
| 06:59.36 | EugenMayer | bpun: well here we go : http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny#comment-13441 |
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| 07:00.50 | bpun | EugenMayer, no it doesn't, we already discussed this ;-) |
| 07:00.54 | Pavlz | i want to mount debian |
| 07:01.23 | mick_laptop | oh and not to mention, i'm still trying to figure out my own damn problem |
| 07:01.48 | mick_laptop | Pavlz: aptitude install unetbootin |
| 07:02.00 | bpun | EugenMayer, (thats why its much easier to do sftp now-- it was broken an number of months ago) |
| 07:02.07 | bpun | (sftp chroot that is) |
| 07:02.22 | EugenMayer | hmm well anyway, that ChrootDirectory does not work out for me |
| 07:02.36 | EugenMayer | as I need to put the user somewhere into /var/www/foo/bar |
| 07:02.38 | bpun | EugenMayer, show me your config again.. here it works perfectly.. |
| 07:03.00 | bpun | EugenMayer, so change it's home with usermod |
| 07:03.29 | EugenMayer | bpun: http://pastebin.com/d6bd6c3df |
| 07:03.53 | bpun | EugenMayer, who's the user, drupalwiki? |
| 07:04.27 | bpun | EugenMayer, usermod -h <path to new home> username |
| 07:04.45 | bpun | EugenMayer, then use ChrootDirectory /var/www |
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| 07:05.03 | EugenMayer | bpun: you mean usermod -d |
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| 07:05.24 | bpun | EugenMayer, can drupalwiki be allowed to login? |
| 07:05.39 | EugenMayer | bpun: so usermod -d /var/www/USERNAME USERNAME |
| 07:05.47 | bpun | EugenMayer, (other than the fact of setting up this ssh stuff) |
| 07:05.48 | EugenMayer | ChrootDirectory /var/www |
| 07:06.01 | bpun | yeah, -d.. sorry.. |
| 07:06.20 | Pavlz | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 07:07.02 | EugenMayer | bpun: it simply doe not work |
| 07:07.18 | EugenMayer | bpun: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component |
| 07:07.40 | bpun | EugenMayer, ls -lad /var/www/drupalwiki |
| 07:07.46 | EugenMayer | bpun: usermod -d .. username must not be relative to the new chroot, or? |
| 07:08.05 | mick_laptop | Pavlz: i'm not sure how or why you don't get it... install the damn thing, you start up a gui and it sets it all up for you. |
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| 07:08.20 | EugenMayer | bpun: permissions won't matter here. Directory is owend by the user, 755 |
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| 07:08.45 | bpun | EugenMayer, i already tested it.. ChrootDirector /home is correct for me.. (the root shown to me becomes /myuser) |
| 07:09.02 | EugenMayer | yes, but it only works with that.. |
| 07:09.05 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: The dir specified by ChrootDirectory must be root-owned, man sshd_config -- you need to set up a chroot environment in there, you can't just randomly pick a directory to use. |
| 07:09.15 | bpun | EugenMayer, can u do a tty1 or tty2 with drupalwiki? test if user can login at least.. |
| 07:09.32 | mick_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=truecrypt <--- any idea why nothing comes back w/ this search? |
| 07:09.51 | bpun | jmarsden, read ^^, we use internal-sftp |
| 07:10.06 | Andorin | Does anyone know off the top of their head whether Debian has a problem with Logitech Quickcam webcams, in that it can't adjust their brightness? I know Ubuntu has this issue, and I just installed the driver for my webcam and it's very dark. |
| 07:10.08 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: well, only if you use sftp-server, you don't need a enviroment with internal-sftp |
| 07:10.11 | jmarsden | With means you don't need the chroot env, but you still do need the dir to be root owned. |
| 07:11.00 | mick_laptop | Andorin: i have always had issues w/ logitech web cams under debian |
| 07:11.02 | jmarsden | This is why your using /home works (it is owned by root) but /home/whatever dfoe snot (it is owned by whatever) |
| 07:11.13 | mick_laptop | i haven't looked at it recently though |
| 07:11.22 | bpun | EugenMayer, he may be right about root owned.. for /var/www |
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| 07:11.27 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: you are 100% right, Changing the ownershipt to root works BUT |
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| 07:11.48 | Andorin | mick_laptop: Just checking... I can find ways to deal with the crappy brightness, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to. |
| 07:11.50 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: ALL directories in the path component must be owned by root, not only the target...thats bullshit. |
| 07:11.58 | bpun | EugenMayer, it's root owned here by def on my system |
| 07:12.27 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: Feel free to hack the sshd sources if you want it to work differently and understand the implications of your changes... :) |
| 07:12.32 | bpun | EugenMayer, so can u login to a shell (tty1) with drupalwiki or not? |
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| 07:12.57 | bpun | EugenMayer, relax.. he's trying to help.. |
| 07:12.59 | mick_laptop | Andorin: put on a light (very low tech solution) ;) |
| 07:13.03 | EugenMayer | bpun: no I can't login with shell, iam not even working on this man. I only want sftp. |
| 07:13.06 | bpun | EugenMayer, you wasting time :p |
| 07:13.21 | Andorin | mick_laptop: Precisely! |
| 07:13.25 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: You can just set up /home/chrooted/user1 and so forth and each user will have their own chrooted environment. |
| 07:13.39 | bpun | EugenMayer, that's fine.. but can u chsh for drupalwiki, and see that it's not a system account? maybe because its a system account.. |
| 07:13.43 | EugenMayer | its working now, the only limitation is, that any directory on the path to the chroot must be root-owned like jmarsden said |
| 07:13.47 | mick_laptop | Andorin: i'm only half-way kidding |
| 07:14.00 | Andorin | mick_laptop: Well, it's the solution I'm opting for at the moment. :P |
| 07:14.11 | bpun | EugenMayer, what are u using as chrootdirectory then? |
| 07:14.33 | bpun | EugenMayer, what's "ls -lad /var/www/" |
| 07:14.34 | bpun | ? |
| 07:14.46 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: actually that user should access a directory inside a web application...and that directory is ofc owned by www-data..holy this is quiet unhandy and hard to setup |
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| 07:15.13 | EugenMayer | no doubt about why FTP is still used that often. |
| 07:15.27 | bpun | EugenMayer, u could of got it to work.. do u still need help or not? |
| 07:15.29 | bpun | lol |
| 07:15.45 | Pavlz | i am thinking to do many pen usb with GNU/linux Deb-Ian, to sell |
| 07:15.59 | EugenMayer | bpun: it "works" but its limitation are unacceptable |
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| 07:16.16 | EugenMayer | bpun: so I will drop that sftp idea and try ftp over ssl |
| 07:16.16 | bpun | EugenMayer, u still using the same setting? |
| 07:16.24 | EugenMayer | yes |
| 07:16.29 | bpun | EugenMayer, well its wrong |
| 07:16.41 | bpun | EugenMayer, u use ChrootDirectory /var/www |
| 07:16.43 | Pavlz | if all go well, then i give the contrib to GNU/linux Deb-Ian |
| 07:16.45 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: perhaps you can make the dir concerned owned by the user inolved, but group www-data, if you need the web server / www-data to have write access? |
| 07:16.54 | EugenMayer | my error was just about the ChrootDirectory..parts of it where not owned by root but by www-data |
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| 07:17.57 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: well this is toooooo complicated. I don't want to put the user into htdoc, he get into a much deeper level. It simply impossible to get it working here. Any yes, www-data needs write acceess due file uploads |
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| 07:20.56 | bpun | EugenMayer, who owns /var/www/drupalwiki, shouldnt it be themer? |
| 07:21.16 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: I'm not sure exactly what you are really needing to do here. What prevents you from making the directories involved be owned by root, but group-writeable by www-data? |
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| 07:21.50 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: simple as that |
| 07:22.14 | bpun | EugenMayer, are u using selinux? |
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| 07:22.23 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: the user who will login will called USERA, we got www-data as the webserver user and we need to have root to be the user-owner. |
| 07:22.39 | EugenMayer | jamon: in addtion, the directory is under |
| 07:22.59 | EugenMayer | /var/www/htdoc/foo/bar/foobar/USERA |
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| 07:25.28 | bpun | EugenMayer, so u need to do the same as above, usermod -d <path> username, and use '/var/www/htdoc/foo/bar/foobar/' as the chrootdirectory (foobar).. but if root owner is an issue, then it's an issue |
| 07:26.07 | EugenMayer | bpun: sure root owner is an issue, as then the directories must be owned by www-data, root and USERA |
| 07:26.19 | bpun | EugenMayer, what u might be able to do is, add root to the www-data group.. |
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| 07:26.21 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: Right, so make all of /var, /var/www, /var/www/htdoc, /var/www/htdoc/foo, /var/www/htdoc/foo/bar, /var/www/htdoc/foo/bar/foobar and /var/www/htdoc/foo/bar/foobar/USERA be owned by root. Make any of those that need to be writeable by www-data group writeable and group www-data. |
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| 07:27.14 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: and know goes the trick, how does USERA gets write access to ..../USERA? |
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| 07:27.31 | jmarsden | Add him to group www-data |
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| 07:28.01 | simonrvn | i'd make another group, and add both www-data and 'him' to that |
| 07:28.03 | Fatboy12345236 | ... |
| 07:28.03 | bpun | EugenMayer, i did ChrootDirectory /home/<username>/subfolder (while my $HOME not changed nor usermod needed).. and sftp works.. |
| 07:28.11 | Fatboy12345236 | I need help, |
| 07:28.22 | bpun | EugenMayer, actually it doesn't hahahaha |
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| 07:29.30 | Andorin | !ask |
| 07:29.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:33.22 | Fatboy12345236 | OK My question IS When I try to install compiz |
| 07:33.28 | Fatboy12345236 | It installs fine. |
| 07:33.43 | Fatboy12345236 | BUT when I type "compiz" to attempt to lauch |
| 07:33.48 | Fatboy12345236 | I get errors, |
| 07:33.50 | Fatboy12345236 | AND |
| 07:33.56 | Fatboy12345236 | I can't type anything |
| 07:34.00 | Fatboy12345236 | Open anything |
| 07:34.07 | bpun | Fatboy12345236, u should run it from an xterm.. |
| 07:34.11 | bpun | !compiz |
| 07:34.11 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:34.36 | simonrvn | 1) ^^ 2) you should be typing compiz --replace & |
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| 07:35.08 | xeon-enouf | 3) stop hitting ENTER so often |
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| 07:35.34 | Fatboy12345236 | xterm? |
| 07:35.51 | simonrvn | make sure that term is up front and you mouse is over it, at least if it doesn't come up you'll be able to start up the other wm you had running. |
| 07:35.58 | simonrvn | your mouse* |
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| 07:37.05 | bpun | we have a big sftp chroot monkey.. EugenMayer u got that bitch working? |
| 07:37.12 | xeon-enouf | as root; update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (or is compiz not listed? and which ones are, and what's the default one?) |
| 07:37.20 | EugenMayer | bpun: on my way |
| 07:37.23 | bpun | lol |
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| 07:37.28 | kraut | moin |
| 07:37.31 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody. Currently I got snmptrapd -> snmptrapfmt working and I got some traps (Dell DRAC). I would like to add MIBS (but not to /usr/share/snmp), how can I do that for the whole system in a clean way ? |
| 07:37.34 | bpun | EugenMayer, dont go too bananas over it.. |
| 07:37.44 | bpun | EugenMayer, this shit wasn't possible a while ago.. |
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| 07:39.18 | xeon-enouf | henry-nicolas: no idea what any of that is, but system daemon variables are usually in /etc/default/<daemon-app-name> |
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| 07:40.14 | Fatboy12345236 | errrr |
| 07:40.21 | Fatboy12345236 | Guys, |
| 07:40.30 | henry-nicolas | xeon-enouf: indeed, I can see some export MIBDIRS |
| 07:40.30 | daniele_982 | hello all sameone use webalizer= |
| 07:40.32 | daniele_982 | ? |
| 07:40.37 | henry-nicolas | xeon-enouf: thx |
| 07:40.44 | xeon-enouf | np |
| 07:40.47 | Fatboy12345236 | It says "iterlizing zoom effects" |
| 07:40.57 | Fatboy12345236 | :@ |
| 07:41.12 | Fatboy12345236 | I'm gonna reinstall Debain, |
| 07:41.25 | Fatboy12345236 | Letme get on meh ds |
| 07:41.28 | simonrvn | um, it's starting up |
| 07:41.34 | xeon-enouf | daniele_982: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 07:41.46 | simonrvn | stop treating that thing like windows |
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| 07:42.24 | xeon-enouf | reboot, reinstall, reboot! |
| 07:42.30 | bpun | EugenMayer, i'm gonna try a symlink.. did u try that? |
| 07:42.30 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 07:42.45 | EugenMayer | won't work, yes I did |
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| 07:43.07 | xeon-enouf | DocumentRoot? |
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| 07:43.25 | daniele_982 | ok i use webalizer i would know if is possible see the number of access for page and access for example : hour 15 page hello.html # 514 |
| 07:44.10 | xeon-enouf | i personally don't know |
| 07:44.17 | xeon-enouf | !awstats |
| 07:44.24 | xeon-enouf | hmm |
| 07:44.30 | bpun | EugenMayer, did u look at UsePAM in hte man sshd_config ? |
| 07:44.30 | daniele_982 | xeon-enouf: idem for awstats |
| 07:44.51 | xeon-enouf | idem? |
| 07:44.53 | bpun | EugenMayer, i wonder if it not useing usepam can allow u to use non-root ownership for the ChrootDirectory |
| 07:45.04 | Fatboy12345236 | ... |
| 07:45.05 | jmarsden | henry-nicolas: You could look at the mibdirs entry in /etc/snmp.conf and add a dir say /usr/local/share/snmp and put your added MIBs there? |
| 07:45.53 | bpun | EugenMayer, hehehe.. run ssh as www-data user.. |
| 07:46.01 | daniele_982 | xeon-enouf: the same question is for awstats... |
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| 07:46.10 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 07:46.11 | bpun | EugenMayer, (and Usepam to no) |
| 07:46.13 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: worked out the way you told me to, thank you |
| 07:46.21 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: No problem :) |
| 07:46.23 | simonrvn | Fatboy12345236: so did it go boom, or did it start? |
| 07:46.35 | EugenMayer | bpun: well using proper groups / owner it works |
| 07:46.37 | Fatboy12345236 | started |
| 07:46.45 | henry-nicolas | jmarsden: The only MIBDIRS entry I got is in /etc/default/snmpd : export MIBDIRS=/usr/share/snmp/mibs do you have any idea about the proper syntax to add a second directory here ? |
| 07:46.49 | simonrvn | Fatboy12345236: because if it went boom, it'll tell you why |
| 07:46.49 | bpun | EugenMayer, no way? |
| 07:46.55 | bpun | EugenMayer, i tried that.. |
| 07:47.10 | jmarsden | henry-nicolas: I think colon separated, but I'm not sure. |
| 07:47.17 | bpun | EugenMayer, u used what exactly? |
| 07:47.37 | bpun | EugenMayer, i hate you.. u always beating me at it.. |
| 07:47.42 | EugenMayer | bpun: any dir is owned by root:www-data |
| 07:47.43 | bpun | >:| |
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| 07:48.06 | Fatboy12345236 | ^^^^ me |
| 07:48.07 | jmarsden | henry-nicolas: Yes, man 1 snmpcmd says the list is colon separated. |
| 07:48.09 | xeon-enouf | !comfort bpun |
| 07:48.10 | dpkg | There, there, bpun. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:48.15 | Fatboy12345236 | only on DS |
| 07:48.16 | EugenMayer | bpun: and the user, which should only get partially access into a deep chroot, is added to the www-data-group |
| 07:48.17 | Fatboy12345236 | :P |
| 07:48.33 | Fatboy12345236DS | ^^^ is me! |
| 07:48.49 | Fatboy12345236DS | ok |
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| 07:48.59 | bpun | EugenMayer, but at what point is chrootdirectory? |
| 07:49.25 | jmarsden | bpun: The lowest one you want... whereever in the tree you want to restrict the user to, that is the ChrootDirectory. |
| 07:49.28 | EugenMayer | bpun: /var/www/htdoc/foo/bar/foo/deeper/USERA |
| 07:49.51 | bpun | jmarsden, do u know if chrootdirectory can be used on non-root owned directory, if usepam is set to no, and the ssh process is ran by non-root? |
| 07:50.20 | Fatboy12345236 | ok guys, |
| 07:50.25 | bpun | cuse be def usepam is set to yes on my ssh server.. |
| 07:50.33 | jmarsden | bpun: No idea. All I know is that the restriction is almost certainly there for some sort of security reason, so I'm not going to try and work around it :) |
| 07:50.37 | Fatboy12345236 | can you guys help me config debain right? |
| 07:51.07 | bpun | EugenMayer, shouldnt it be 'deeper' as the chrootdir ? |
| 07:51.07 | Andorin | Suddenly Debian doesn't want to play DVDs. I just installed a couple codecs for thoggen and now it won't even play them. |
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| 07:51.23 | EugenMayer | bpun: it was just an exaple |
| 07:51.27 | Fatboy12345236 | ... |
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| 07:51.41 | Fatboy12345236 | Will/can someone make sure I don't stuff up? |
| 07:51.53 | Fatboy12345236DS | .... |
| 07:52.05 | EugenMayer | .... |
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| 07:52.09 | jmarsden | Fatboy12345236: No-one can guarantee you that you won't make mistakes :) |
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| 07:52.18 | bpun | EugenMayer, u said root:www-data, what do u mean by that? |
| 07:52.22 | Fatboy12345236 | xD |
| 07:52.26 | xeon-enouf | i can guarantee he will :-P |
| 07:52.28 | Fatboy12345236 | Well. Like |
| 07:52.43 | bpun | EugenMayer, chmod root:www-data ? |
| 07:52.47 | okaratas | hello |
| 07:52.51 | EugenMayer | bpun: yes |
| 07:52.54 | Fatboy12345236 | xD |
| 07:52.57 | jmarsden | bpun: Yes, for each directory concerned. |
| 07:53.14 | bpun | EugenMayer, and the new group www-data-group is the only group with new memebers? |
| 07:53.40 | bpun | golly mighty.. good thing selinux is disabled.. |
| 07:53.48 | Fatboy12345236 | Alrighty guys, please help me as much as you can! |
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| 07:54.37 | jmarsden | Fatboy12345236: Please ask clear specific questions... that last sentence of yours is not a question at all. |
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| 07:55.26 | simonrvn | Fatboy12345236DS: first, it's called "Debian" not "Debain". second, ask a clear question that we can actually help with. |
| 07:55.40 | simonrvn | Fatboy-12345236: first, it's called "Debian" not "Debain". second, ask a clear question that we can actually help with. |
| 07:55.49 | Fatboy-12345236 | alrighty, |
| 07:55.53 | OpenTokix | De-brain |
| 07:56.27 | Fatboy-12345236 | lol ok |
| 07:56.32 | simonrvn | might want to look into stabilising your irc client too ;). |
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| 07:57.23 | Fatboy-12345236 | alright just inserted install disk... |
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| 07:57.51 | Fatboy-12345236 | Im presented with 4 options |
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| 07:58.23 | Fatboy-12345236 | install, grapiac install, advanced options n help |
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| 07:58.34 | Fatboy-12345236 | wat do i pick? |
| 07:58.48 | xeon-enouf | f1-f10 |
| 07:58.53 | xeon-enouf | !ig |
| 07:58.53 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 07:59.10 | Fatboy-12345236 | im on ds! |
| 07:59.14 | Fatboy-12345236 | i cant! |
| 07:59.32 | xeon-enouf | DS == Debian Santa? |
| 07:59.58 | bluecitrus | It's probably best to select a graphical install if you're not sure on what you're doing. |
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| 08:00.07 | morpheuss | Fatboy-12345236, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJuJbqxxhos |
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| 08:01.20 | Fatboy-12345236 | :/ ok |
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| 08:02.20 | Fatboy-12345236 | ok |
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| 08:02.36 | Fatboy-12345236 | im asked meh hostname... |
| 08:02.47 | Fatboy-12345236 | what do i put here? |
| 08:03.19 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: Invent one. It should start with a letter and be something that makes sense to you. fatboy1 would work, for example. |
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| 08:04.06 | Fatboy-12345236 | k |
| 08:05.05 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: how would I add a second match, just below did not work out |
| 08:05.51 | Fatboy-12345236 | so, |
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| 08:06.11 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: It should work, a new Match at the start of a line should end the previous match block and start a new one |
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| 08:06.52 | EugenMayer | jmarsden: hmm |
| 08:07.00 | bpun | EugenMayer, u know that german article, it was written today.. hehehe.. bleeding edge man.. |
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| 08:07.16 | EugenMayer | bpun: it was written by me. |
| 08:07.25 | bpun | EugenMayer, sure hehe |
| 08:07.43 | bpun | EugenMayer, oh golly, it was! |
| 08:07.52 | bpun | lol.. |
| 08:08.19 | EugenMayer | bpun: iam just writing up what I find out to save others time :) |
| 08:08.21 | bpun | EugenMayer, how long did u spend on trying that before posting it? |
| 08:08.43 | EugenMayer | bpun: while I was talking to you and we find out what it was about, I wrote the articale |
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| 08:09.04 | Fatboy12345236DS | now i gotta specify domain name... |
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| 08:09.27 | Fatboy12345236DS | What should i put here? |
| 08:09.44 | EugenMayer | what was the group-sticky bit again? |
| 08:10.01 | jmarsden | Fatboy12345236DS: Make one up again. Maybe fatdomain.local |
| 08:10.14 | Fatboy12345236DS | xD thx |
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| 08:10.21 | evilgenius101 | Hello! |
| 08:10.36 | bpun | EugenMayer, (on my system it's apt-get install openssh-server, maybe on your german system the package is named differently) |
| 08:10.51 | evilgenius101 | i have a file with over 400 IP's some dupes, any idea how i can remove the dupes? (auto) |
| 08:11.05 | jmarsden | EugenMayer: SetGID bit is 02000 octal |
| 08:11.08 | xeon-enouf | !permissions |
| 08:11.08 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 08:11.09 | bpun | EugenMayer, it's a bitch to write articles.. u'd have people whining u about erorrrs erratas.. hehehe |
| 08:11.13 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: sort and uniq |
| 08:11.20 | bpun | like me :).. |
| 08:11.28 | bpun | i'm a bitch :) |
| 08:11.39 | evilgenius101 | i did that, but it didn't do anything, everything was still the same. |
| 08:12.01 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: pastebin the file somewhere, and tell us the exact command you used |
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| 08:12.13 | evilgenius101 | Give me a min |
| 08:12.41 | bpun | EugenMayer, maybe 4 digits with chmod (i know chmod 1777 is done against /tmp, i dont know for the group sticky bit, if there is one) |
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| 08:12.53 | jmarsden | bpun: 2000 octal, already answered ... |
| 08:13.09 | EugenMayer | chmod g+s |
| 08:13.14 | EugenMayer | well this does the job :) |
| 08:13.17 | bpun | jmarsden, oh golly!.. 5 digits? |
| 08:13.32 | jmarsden | bpun: Well, 5 if you could the leading zero :) |
| 08:13.33 | Fatboy12345236DS | *cough cough* |
| 08:13.35 | bpun | that's nuts.. what shit is he working on now? |
| 08:13.48 | Fatboy12345236DS | brb :) |
| 08:13.53 | bpun | needs to fix something in backspace |
| 08:13.58 | jmarsden | bpun: He wants the uploaded files to auytomagically be in group www-data, I would guess. |
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| 08:14.52 | evilgenius101 | jmarsden, http://paste2.org/p/432000 ---- #sort filename.txt | uniq -n |
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| 08:16.38 | xeon-enouf | sort -n ... no? |
| 08:16.59 | evilgenius101 | xeon-enouf, i tried this too . http://wazem.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-to-remove-repeated-lines-in-file.html |
| 08:17.14 | xeon-enouf | also; try export LC_ALL=C |
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| 08:18.16 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: Try sorting without the -n. sort filename.txt |uniq >filename2.txt |
| 08:18.31 | evilgenius101 | ok one momeent |
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| 08:19.15 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: -n will only sort on the initial numeric part, in your case the first octet of the IP address... and that's not fully sorted, so uniq can't find the dupes. |
| 08:19.37 | evilgenius101 | great!! Thanks a lot mate, it worked |
| 08:19.44 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: No problem :) |
| 08:19.55 | evilgenius101 | now, how can i shove it all in Iptables block list? |
| 08:20.06 | evilgenius101 | They're DDoSin me ..... |
| 08:20.09 | jmarsden | what does an entry in that list look like? |
| 08:20.29 | evilgenius101 | one ip / line. just as before sorting but repeated removed. |
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| 08:20.42 | jmarsden | And... are you sure blocking a DDoS with iptables will actually work... the traffic will still be arriving at your machine... |
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| 08:21.39 | evilgenius101 | They're hunting for phpmyadmin n simliar folders (luckyly they're in wrong place) and some are just overloading |
| 08:21.50 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: What should one of the lines look like, that you need... if you were blocking just IP 1.2.3.4 what would the line need to be? |
| 08:21.51 | evilgenius101 | how can i send them away? maybe redirect to goolge lol |
| 08:22.08 | charonp1 | is there anything similar to SuSEconfig in debian? |
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| 08:22.40 | evilgenius101 | jmarsden, using ip tables ? iptables -I INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP |
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| 08:22.55 | charonp1 | it does a bunch of stuff, but what I mostly used it for in opensuse was after editing a file in /usr/share/applications, or after compiling an application |
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| 08:24.43 | jmarsden | OK, so then sed -e 's/(.*)/iptables -I INPUT -s \1 -j DROP' filename2.txt >filename3.txt |
| 08:24.55 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: OK, so then sed -e 's/(.*)/iptables -I INPUT -s \1 -j DROP' filename2.txt >filename3.txt |
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| 08:25.24 | jmarsden | charonp1: Hard to know what Debian app will "do a bunch of stuff"... you'll need to be more specific :) |
| 08:26.15 | jmarsden | charonp1: What are you really trying to accomplish in Debian? What one task are you attempting that you think needs this tool? |
| 08:27.08 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: Make that sed -e 's/\(.*\)/iptables -I INPUT -s \1 -j DROP/' filename2.txt >filename3.txt |
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| 08:28.31 | evilgenius101 | jmarsden, Done. next file's got all that listed now |
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| 08:28.39 | jmarsden | Good :) |
| 08:28.44 | charonp1 | jmarsden: well, for example: after renaming /usr/share/applications/smplayer_enqueue.desktop to smplayer_enqueue.desktop_rm i run SuSEconfig and all my mime file preferences no longer have "enqueue in smplayer" |
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| 08:29.28 | bpun | charonp1, that's not standard for a normal user to edit /usr/share/applications folder |
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| 08:30.16 | charonp1 | bpun: i just had to add mozillafirefox.desktop to /usr/share/applications in order to get it into the kde menu |
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| 08:30.30 | themill | charonp1: there's kmenuedit for that |
| 08:30.32 | evilgenius101 | jmarsden, Now whats next ? |
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| 08:30.45 | jmarsden | charonp1: If you really have to mess around in there, which you shouldn't, you could try using update-desktop-database or maybe update-mime-database |
| 08:31.03 | bpun | charonp1, y, suse uses kde, with some novell of novell's branding of yast in it.. |
| 08:31.04 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: Huh... run those commands :) source filename3.txt |
| 08:31.14 | charonp1 | but I know that it didn't do anything to my mime type pref's |
| 08:31.57 | bpun | charonp1, u can access the kde control center, by turning on the debian submenu.. i'm assuming u'r using kde |
| 08:32.11 | evilgenius101 | sorry , didn't know the command. not a very linuxy person. always learning what i can |
| 08:32.21 | bpun | charonp1, (um i mean, i'm assuming ur probably using konqueror in a gnome desktop environment) |
| 08:32.35 | bpun | charonp1, and are rather using gnome... |
| 08:32.47 | charonp1 | jmarsden: that's probably one of the things that suseconfig does, and is probably what I'm looking for |
| 08:33.03 | evilgenius101 | one more thing, upon system reboot, will the list get cleared? and any ways that i can export the list to another server, since i'm moving off to new one soon. |
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| 08:33.19 | bpun | charonp1, so what are u using, nautilus or konqueror? |
| 08:33.23 | charonp1 | bpun: no, I'm using kde4 |
| 08:33.38 | charonp1 | bpun: you mean systemsettings? |
| 08:34.01 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: It's worth going through a tutorial such as http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html and then for shell scripting stuff, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 08:34.10 | bpun | charonp1, u should be able to edit the assoc... |
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| 08:34.52 | jmarsden | To get those rules so they get reapplied at boot... depends on how you set up iptables in the first place... what did you use to set up your firewall, before adding this set of drop rules? |
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| 08:35.29 | bpun | jmarsden, he can always back it up with iptables-save :) |
| 08:35.34 | evilgenius101 | No idea. the first ddos, i used iptables to blocked. worked n 2nd did too this one's bigger |
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| 08:35.44 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: Of course you can copy filename3.txt to another machine, use scp or any other way to file copy... |
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| 08:36.27 | evilgenius101 | oh wait, that save did it. |
| 08:36.36 | evilgenius101 | i got the whole list now in txt file |
| 08:36.39 | jmarsden | evilgenius101: And OK, then bpun is right, iptables-save >filename4 will give you a file you can stick back into your system |
| 08:36.43 | evilgenius101 | Thanks guys. |
| 08:36.53 | jmarsden | No problem. |
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| 08:37.56 | bpun | iptables-restore can be used manually too, so many people love monkeying their firewall these days :) |
| 08:38.14 | evilgenius101 | :) |
| 08:38.25 | Fatboy12345236DS | "choose software 2 install"... |
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| 08:39.21 | charonp1 | bpun: yea, but I wan't to just list the types in the .desktop file. it makes it a lot easier |
| 08:39.21 | Fatboy12345236DS | any1 here got a ds? |
| 08:39.36 | Fatboy12345236DS | cuz i got a tip.... |
| 08:40.39 | bpun | charonp1, i dont know how much suse changes things, so i dont know if it can be done on debian as well... if its' a kde thing, then i don't see why you can't try the same thing.. |
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| 08:41.30 | bpun | charonp1, i just got started on my dual screen setup today with kde.. so i'm still finding bits here and there that help me.. |
| 08:41.46 | Fatboy12345236DS | who here thks debian owns? xD |
| 08:41.57 | xeon-enouf | hugs his Debian Santa |
| 08:42.04 | bpun | charonp1, i found out about kde-apps.org , perhaps u might find helpful items there.. and even make suggestions.. |
| 08:42.08 | Fatboy12345236DS | I |
| 08:42.09 | evilgenius101 | Fatboy12345236DS, +1 |
| 08:43.15 | Fatboy12345236DS | xD |
| 08:43.29 | Fatboy12345236DS | 10mins left! |
| 08:43.33 | Fatboy12345236DS | xD |
| 08:43.34 | themill | Fatboy12345236DS: do you have a debian support question we can help you with? |
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| 08:44.44 | xeon-enouf | it's still Sunday in Hawaii! :-p |
| 08:45.04 | evilgenius101 | xeon-enouf, people livin in past lol |
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| 08:45.31 | necro\ | dancing pigs... lmfao |
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| 08:47.48 | beli | hey, howto set /tmp via tmpfs NOEXEC |
| 08:48.08 | bpun | beli, tmpfs works great with firefox cache |
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| 08:48.30 | beli | ? |
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| 08:48.50 | beli | that wasn't really my question |
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| 08:49.23 | bpun | beli, tmpfs /media/urramdisk tmpfs size=100M,nr_inodes=10k,mode=770,uid=username,gid=username 0 0 (in /etc/fstab), (then mount -a) |
| 08:49.26 | jmarsden | beli: add noexec to the options for that filesystem in /etc/fstab (if I understodd your question correctly) |
| 08:49.46 | Fatboy-12345236 | errr |
| 08:49.48 | beli | jmarsden: thats what i thought too, but my /tmp isnt listed in the fstab |
| 08:49.52 | bpun | beli, about:config (make new string key -- search google how to change ffox cache dir) |
| 08:49.56 | Fatboy-12345236 | i got a prob. |
| 08:50.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Fatboy-12345236 about enter |
| 08:50.15 | jmarsden | bpun: Your fstab entry lacks noexec and so does not answer the question :) |
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| 08:50.22 | beli | bpun: ah ok...now i got your ff msg....but that was far beyond my problem ;) |
| 08:50.34 | bpun | beli, :) |
| 08:50.41 | bpun | jmarsden, i use it.. it's my fstab entry.. |
| 08:50.48 | bpun | jmarsden, so it does work pretty well.. |
| 08:50.51 | bpun | jmarsden, i'm fast eh? |
| 08:50.53 | beli | but still....there is NO fstab entry with debian etch |
| 08:51.04 | beli | but /tmp is there |
| 08:51.05 | jmarsden | bpun: Sure, but he was asking how to make his tmpfs be noexec :) |
| 08:51.17 | xeon-enouf | beli: do you have a separate /tmp partition? |
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| 08:51.24 | jmarsden | beli: If you want a separate /tmp filesystem, add one :) |
| 08:51.27 | beli | xeon-enouf: nope |
| 08:51.35 | xeon-enouf | beli: make one |
| 08:51.40 | xeon-enouf | use that |
| 08:51.46 | beli | ok, so....what is it using NOW for /tmp |
| 08:51.54 | dank1 | i've got a bash variable thats a list of directories seperated by newlines... how can i loop through it on the newlines instead of on the spaces? |
| 08:51.55 | Fatboy-12345236 | k, heres the rap meh @ key is meh " key and vice versa |
| 08:51.56 | beli | s/now/at the moment/ |
| 08:51.59 | et | beli: what is it using now for /etc |
| 08:52.00 | jmarsden | beli: part of the / filesystem |
| 08:52.04 | xeon-enouf | beli: the dir/ |
| 08:52.06 | bpun | beli, i'll see if noexec works on my system |
| 08:52.12 | beli | ugly ugly |
| 08:52.20 | beli | that shouldnt be default setting |
| 08:52.29 | beli | but thanks for your information |
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| 08:52.45 | jmarsden | beli: Feel free to file a bug to suggest that the default be changed :) |
| 08:52.50 | Fatboy-12345236 | can someone help me? |
| 08:52.57 | bpun | beli,y, it worked with mount, just append noexec.. |
| 08:53.01 | themill | dank1: you ca do a loop with while and read. look in greycat's bash guide for examples or details -- /msg dpkg bash |
| 08:53.17 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: Sounds like you are using a UK keyboard and configured the machine for a US keyboard, or vice versa |
| 08:53.22 | bpun | jmarsden, hey, ^ look I said i appended noexec! happy now? lol |
| 08:53.27 | beli | bpun: ;) i need a whole line, as i dont have any fstab entry related to tmpfs...but ok |
| 08:53.46 | bpun | beli, "tmpfs /media/urramdisk tmpfs size=100M,nr_inodes=10k,mode=770,uid=username,gid=username,noexec 0 0" |
| 08:53.47 | beli | jmarsden: it isnt really a bug, but a bad default :) |
| 08:53.57 | Fatboy-12345236 | i havnt anyway how can i fix it? |
| 08:54.06 | beli | bpun: i need a partition first ;) |
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| 08:54.19 | bpun | beli, no.. tmpfs is special.. no mk<>fs command |
| 08:54.22 | jmarsden | beli: Not if it will be a tmpfs :) |
| 08:54.34 | bpun | beli, its usable right away, after mount -a... |
| 08:54.45 | Fatboy-12345236 | plz stop floodin the # with emoticons... |
| 08:54.46 | xeon-enouf | beli: bpun he wants his /tmp dir to be using tmpfs |
| 08:54.52 | beli | ah ok...it just separates a part of the / as a device node? |
| 08:55.00 | omry | I am running ntpd on one server, and trying to sync with it using ntpdate from other servers. ntpdate ip outputs "no server suitable for synchronization found" even though the ntp server is up. any idea? |
| 08:55.00 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: On your keyboard, is there an @ sign over the number 2 ? |
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| 08:55.05 | Fatboy-12345236 | 20s left! |
| 08:55.07 | omry | (up and accessible) |
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| 08:55.22 | Fatboy-12345236 | and |
| 08:55.27 | bpun | xeon-enouf, i dont know about impliciations with X stuff.. so that's why he has to dwelve into it.. he should be able to figure it out.. |
| 08:55.29 | Fatboy-12345236 | YAY! |
| 08:55.30 | iateadonut | if you're going to make a multi-user environment where clients are often ssh'ing into the box, would it make it any more practically secure to chmod all the /usr/bin files (or a select group) so that most users can't see/execute them? |
| 08:55.34 | Fatboy-12345236 | XD |
| 08:55.37 | xeon-enouf | bpun: if /tmp dir is part of rootfs, that won't work properly |
| 08:55.39 | iateadonut | i noticed that normal users can list a lot of directories. |
| 08:55.43 | bpun | beli, that's a 100meg ramdisk.. |
| 08:55.45 | iateadonut | is this even an issue? |
| 08:55.56 | bpun | beli, note "100 meg".. btw how much ram do u have? |
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| 08:56.06 | bpun | beli, i know this psycho path with 8gigs.. |
| 08:56.07 | xeon-enouf | bpun: it's not a ramdisk, as it can be swapped, and grows/shrinks |
| 08:56.13 | themill | beli: note that dpkg doesn't like having /tmp mounted noexec so you will need to make it exec prior to dpkg being run |
| 08:56.13 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: *Please* stop the unnecessary one word stuff, write a clear question to the channel on one line when you need support. |
| 08:56.13 | iateadonut | or is a basic net install basically secure? |
| 08:56.19 | bpun | xeon-enouf, tmpfs is a ramdisk.. |
| 08:56.24 | xeon-enouf | bpun: nope |
| 08:56.38 | bpun | xeon-enouf, at least in my eyes it is.. |
| 08:56.52 | Fatboy-12345236 | whats da first app i should install? |
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| 08:57.10 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: One you want to use? :) |
| 08:57.19 | xeon-enouf | it has the trait that it's volatile, such as RAM and ramdisks are, that's the only similarity though really |
| 08:57.34 | Fatboy-12345236 | xD |
| 08:57.44 | Fatboy-12345236 | a better browser? |
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| 08:58.01 | et | xeon-enouf: "a ramdisk" and "the linux ramdisk" are different things |
| 08:58.19 | jmarsden | Fatboy-12345236: Seriously, how can the channel tell you what apps you want... better than what? iceweasel? |
| 08:58.19 | et | one is a concept, the other the implementation |
| 08:58.24 | xeon-enouf | and so is tmpfs et ;-) |
| 08:58.24 | et | and tmpfs fits the concept |
| 08:58.27 | bpun | xeon-enouf, so u can call it whatever u like :).. to me its' a ramdisk.. |
| 08:58.35 | themill | Fatboy-12345236: please take a timeout from #debian and use this time to compose sensible questions that are in English that people can understand and have more than one word per line. |
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| 08:58.43 | xeon-enouf | bpun: it's not a ramdisk |
| 08:58.54 | xeon-enouf | 08:46 < xeon-enouf> bpun: it's not a ramdisk, as it can be swapped, and grows/shrinks |
| 08:58.55 | bpun | xeon-enouf, whatever! |
| 08:59.12 | beli | bpun: 2gb |
| 08:59.17 | xeon-enouf | ramdisks cannot be swapped, and don't shrink/grow |
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| 08:59.32 | bpun | xeon-enouf, yeah.. and where is anything written to? "ram".. so i dont care about definitions here.. |
| 08:59.39 | beli | themill: what dpkg are you talking about? on sys startup? |
| 08:59.50 | bpun | xeon-enouf, ok.. so how do u make a ramdisk under linux? |
| 08:59.55 | et | xeon-enouf: you're talking about the implementation, again, whereas xeon-enouf is talking about the concept |
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| 09:00.02 | et | err, bpun |
| 09:00.07 | themill | beli: for installing/removing debian packages (dpkg is called through apt-get/aptitude/synaptic etc) |
| 09:00.28 | bpun | xeon-enouf, well.. tell me? i'm still waiting.. |
| 09:00.35 | bpun | xeon-enouf, how do u make a ramdisk under linux? |
| 09:00.36 | xeon-enouf | bpun: it's in /Documentation |
| 09:00.42 | bpun | xeon-enouf, so you dont know.. |
| 09:00.45 | bpun | interesting.. |
| 09:00.56 | bpun | lol |
| 09:00.57 | et | you guys are both retards :p |
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| 09:01.05 | bpun | *xeon-enouf! |
| 09:01.10 | xeon-enouf | bpun: read /Documentation/fs/tmpfs.txt already |
| 09:01.35 | bpun | xeon-enouf, tell the whole channel how to make a ramdisk.. obviously you're not helping beli here.. |
| 09:01.51 | beli | themill: ok....apt-tools are console frontends ;) but....do i have to remount /tmp dropping NOEXEC before using dpkg then each time? |
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| 09:01.57 | bpun | rests his case |
| 09:02.00 | xeon-enouf | bpun: i already told him how to accomplish what he asks for |
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| 09:02.15 | xeon-enouf | bpun: he wants the /tmp dir using a tmpfs |
| 09:02.34 | beli | i got the /tmp working now using tmpfs guys... |
| 09:02.36 | bpun | xeon-enouf, so let him do so.. |
| 09:02.41 | beli | :) |
| 09:02.58 | beli | just checking themill's hint |
| 09:03.07 | xeon-enouf | bpun: i did, i was merely correcting your incorrect fstab entry |
| 09:03.19 | bpun | i just don tknow the bhaviour of .X0-lock that sort of stuff.. that's why i hinted i only use it for firefox cache |
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| 09:03.32 | bpun | xeon-enouf, ^ |
| 09:03.58 | bpun | kay.. nuf said.. next topic.. |
| 09:04.06 | necro\ | ^^-- yeah that |
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| 09:04.12 | necro\ | :P |
| 09:04.13 | themill | bpun: put two lines in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec: DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";}; DPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";} |
| 09:04.19 | themill | err beli ^^ |
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| 09:04.33 | necro\ | themill: whats exec flag for |
| 09:04.39 | necro\ | everything executable? |
| 09:04.48 | xeon-enouf | bpun: that's fine; i was just pointing out to beli how your; "tmpfs /media/urramdisk ..." should be "/tmp /media/urramdisk ..." if as an entry in fstab |
| 09:04.50 | themill | no, *anything* executable. |
| 09:04.53 | charonp1 | thanks guys, i got it to do what I wanted it to :) |
| 09:05.03 | necro\ | themill: difference between anything and everything? |
| 09:05.13 | necro\ | o_O |
| 09:05.16 | bpun | themill, if .X0-lock needs to be created by root.. then he needs to look into more things.. |
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| 09:05.33 | gum2tux | i am newbie, my PC has 8GB of memory running Debian Lenny, can u please tell me how big (GB) for my swap space ? |
| 09:05.33 | themill | necro\: when noexec, nothing can be executed off that partition. |
| 09:05.51 | beli | themill: i already thought of a solution kinda yours...thanks |
| 09:06.11 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: you don;'t want to use swap, if possible, so 1G i say |
| 09:06.35 | bpun | beli, i sort of hinted what i use it for.. if u want it as /tmp, u have to sort of experiment.. (like uid,guid).. etc.. also see what themill said.. |
| 09:06.35 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: unless you plan on hibernating all your RAM ;-) |
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| 09:06.43 | charonp1 | it's too bad that freedesktop standards don't define a preference level in the .desktop files. something like 1-100 or something, where you could put MimePref=1 for most prefered and 99 for least or soemthing |
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| 09:07.55 | beli | bpun, themill, xeon-enouf: thanks for leading me to the right way, got it working |
| 09:08.02 | xeon-enouf | bpun: (just a fwiw) the kernel itself is a ramdisk ;-) |
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| 09:08.45 | bpun | xeon-enouf, i've setup a ramdisk for safari on a mac.. it was actually more difficult.. and works perfectly.. |
| 09:09.23 | sphenxes | why this command doesn't work: wget http://www.nytimes.com/ -O /home/newYorkTimes_$(date + %Y%m%d). i get the output but without any date. |
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| 09:09.44 | jmarsden | sphenxes: Are you doing that in a crontab? |
| 09:09.56 | sphenxes | yes |
| 09:10.08 | jmarsden | Then escape the % signs with \ so they work in there :) |
| 09:10.30 | jmarsden | % has special meaning in crontab entries. man 5 crontab |
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| 09:15.14 | sphenxes | jmarsden, thanks |
| 09:15.22 | jmarsden | sphenxes: No problem. |
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| 09:17.40 | gum2tux | xeon-enouf: sorry, i mm referring the swap partition size -- i need to create a swap partition for debian installation, but i m not sure the suitable size for swap partition. |
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| 09:18.36 | Fatboy12345236 | This is where I go wrong, How do I install/configure Compiz? |
| 09:19.36 | Fatboy12345236 | Anyone alive? |
| 09:20.03 | jmarsden | See http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz (but I'm going to sleep...) |
| 09:20.13 | Fatboy12345236 | :) Thanks. |
| 09:20.23 | Fatboy12345236 | Bye |
| 09:20.32 | jmarsden | You're welcome. Goodnight. |
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| 09:21.02 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: and i answered appropriately ;-) |
| 09:22.02 | Fatboy12345236 | brb |
| 09:22.03 | charonp1 | thanks jmarsden |
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| 09:22.49 | gum2tux | xeon-enouf: thanks, i always confused, bcos, if i choose to use auto-install method, it will create a swap partition much more that my physical memory size. |
| 09:23.25 | xeon-enouf | sure, np |
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| 09:26.59 | bpun | xeon-enouf, hehehe-> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/overview-of-ramfs-and-tmpfs-on-linux/ (the tmpfs has faster write)... i guess there's ramfs, but i nver looked into it.. i do suppose u never heard of ramfs (fwiw) ;p |
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| 09:28.12 | row_ | hmm |
| 09:28.19 | beli | is there already a tool that can log execv* calls from /tmp |
| 09:28.54 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi guys, i want ask why i got "display server has been shut down 6 times in last 90 seconds..." error when i start gdm. |
| 09:29.03 | row_ | How does one grep the entire contents of a folder when there are too many files to do grep foo *? |
| 09:29.14 | bpun | there are errors on the link i gave, u actually can change the size of tmpfs while in use.. |
| 09:29.18 | beli | row: yes |
| 09:29.28 | chellomere | row_, try xargs? |
| 09:29.30 | beli | row_: a too many...many methodes... |
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| 09:30.01 | beli | row_: for i in *; do grep regexp $i; done for example.... |
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| 09:30.21 | row_ | chellomere, beli cheers |
| 09:30.34 | beli | row_: xargs is faster though |
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| 09:30.59 | row_ | :) |
| 09:30.59 | bpun | beli, u sure stepping into unchartered territory.. even sites i read have occasional errors and mistakes in them.. |
| 09:31.15 | jmarsden | row_: grep -r foo . is another alternative approach |
| 09:31.26 | row_ | ah that works eh |
| 09:31.38 | row_ | nice did not know about r arg :P |
| 09:32.39 | beli | row_: the trick is using . instead of * for the files... |
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| 09:32.46 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, is it possible kdm is trying to start x too? |
| 09:33.00 | jmarsden | row_: Yes. man pages are often worth reading :) |
| 09:33.21 | jmarsden | really is going to bed... |
| 09:33.27 | row_ | I had a quick read but kinda needed to know quickish, I needed to grep my emails for something that I needed badly :P |
| 09:33.42 | xeon-enouf | uses rgrep all the time |
| 09:33.44 | beli | row_: your shell expands * and that can be a problem if there are too many files |
| 09:33.53 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I haven't test kdm, looks not like gdm problem, i don't know. |
| 09:33.57 | xeon-enouf | and xargs after a find |
| 09:33.57 | beli | jmarsden: sleep well |
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| 09:34.08 | bpun | Man_of_Wax, echo /etc/rc2.d/*dm* |
| 09:34.17 | beli | bpun: you are talking about what now? about execve calls? |
| 09:35.04 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I got "disoplay server has been 6 times in last 90 seconds....", and i don't know wha't case to out this error. |
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| 09:35.39 | xeon-enouf | ManateeLazyCat: i've heard of a SESSIONTIME= var that gdm uses/has |
| 09:35.45 | xeon-enouf | or similar |
| 09:35.52 | xeon-enouf | try gdmsetup or so? |
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| 09:36.10 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, what about dmesg? any video driver warnings? |
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| 09:36.31 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: No i'm just Intel video. |
| 09:36.41 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Not any special video card. |
| 09:36.42 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, dmesg is a cmd |
| 09:37.11 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Wait, i need jump to my another machine for test, wait. |
| 09:37.29 | bpun | I cant wait.. should be two seconds.. bang bang.. |
| 09:37.48 | bpun | starts loading the revolver |
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| 09:38.43 | bpun | beli, so mind me asking.. you getting any errors with x? |
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| 09:39.13 | beli | bpun: no :) guess your message wasnt for me then ;) |
| 09:40.06 | bpun | beli, i was referring to the fact i neve used it other than firefox cache.. themill mentioned something about apt-- does apt work as well? |
| 09:40.11 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Okay, is there? |
| 09:40.16 | gopher | i there; i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but dpkg fails because the new dpkg needs a new libc which cannot be installed due to the lack of support for "Breaks"; has anyone an idea how i can work around? |
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| 09:40.25 | bpun | shoots ManateeLazyCat |
| 09:40.38 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I have test dmesg command in another machine. I got error, |
| 09:40.41 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, what rat were u sniffing after? |
| 09:40.41 | beli | but what about logging exec* calls if the parent is started from /tmp ? |
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| 09:41.18 | beli | would be simple to do with a kernel module...but......i dropped lkm support ;) |
| 09:41.21 | bpun | beli, well there's this tool call launchtool, it may help with that.. |
| 09:41.43 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: [drm:important15_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* try to get vbalnk counter faw disable pipe 1 |
| 09:42.03 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I found error when _scim.so |
| 09:42.05 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, so perhaps its a driver error.. |
| 09:42.29 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, and you're using the intel driver? |
| 09:42.31 | beli | bpun: nice tool, but i guess an attacker won't run its crazy stuff using launchtool :) |
| 09:43.13 | themill | gopher: what's the output of "dpkg -l apt aptitude dpkg libc6"? Use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:43.23 | bpun | beli, i'm wondering if apt crashes or not.. i suppose it may or maynot.. |
| 09:43.28 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I think perhaps driver problem. |
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| 09:43.49 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Perhaps is scim (a input method for Chinese) launch wrong. |
| 09:43.50 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, can u check x's log what driver you're using? or maybe dmesg may say.. |
| 09:44.16 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, well u can remove that for now.. probably its that.. |
| 09:44.28 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, rmmod <modname> |
| 09:44.29 | gopher | themill: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/140784/ |
| 09:44.31 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: If deriver problem, i can't log in GNOME, and key is i get int it many times. |
| 09:44.51 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, well see if the drm or video related errors popup |
| 09:44.53 | gopher | themill: i've adapted my sources.list already |
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| 09:45.07 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I can't login it when sometims i install software in my system. |
| 09:45.18 | themill | gopher: you're not actually running lenny at the moment. You're running etch. You must first upgrade to lenny wheren Breaks *is* implemented. |
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| 09:45.25 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: But i don't know where the problem |
| 09:45.34 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Now i need test my guess. |
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| 09:45.54 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: But i'm sure not the problem of vide driver. |
| 09:46.09 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat,' echo /etc/rc2.d/*dm* ' says what? |
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| 09:46.43 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: you kidding me? I need run to another machine now, :) |
| 09:46.46 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Wait. |
| 09:47.09 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, cant u just ssh into it? |
| 09:47.32 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, that's right.. go sniff after another rat's ass.. |
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| 09:47.39 | gopher | themill: yep, but i cannot upgrade because i cannot install libc because the libc packages requires a dpkg with Breaks-support |
| 09:48.08 | gopher | gopher: basically, i'v adjusted my sources.list and run apt-get dists-upgrade |
| 09:48.38 | themill | gopher: you are trying to do etch->squeeze and that will not work as you have just found out. You need to do etch->lenny and then lenny->squeeze. |
| 09:49.09 | themill | gopher: for etch->lenny you should follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:49.13 | gopher | themill: omg! thanks; i've messed up the releases :-/ |
| 09:49.19 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Not need, another machine in my other room. |
| 09:49.31 | themill | gopher: :) |
| 09:49.49 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: result: /etc/rc.d/S30gdm, what's wrong? |
| 09:49.55 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, ssh is simple, just an apt-get install openssh-server and issue ssh from client side |
| 09:51.03 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, i dont think anything.. so err.. your x log? |
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| 09:53.04 | tailot | ± |
| 09:53.12 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Wait, i think i need test that machine for my guess (scim-launch problem), because i found install error when i last install it in GNOME, then i just ignore that error, i just think it's a little problem, looks now it case me can't get into GNOME |
| 09:53.53 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Because i got "dispaly server" error after i install scim. |
| 09:54.06 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, i'm lost.. when do problems occur, after the login screen or before it? |
| 09:54.16 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Thanks for your help, i test it now, i will continue ask you if i still have problem. |
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| 09:54.45 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, i said to try to use rmmod to remove it to isolate if it is a graphic driver issue |
| 09:55.07 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Okay, i need test now, see you soon. |
| 09:55.14 | bpun | ManateeLazyCat, good luck :) |
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| 10:00.42 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Good news, everything is fine after i uninstall scim. |
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| 10:00.53 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Thanks a lot! :) |
| 10:01.13 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: Otherwise i don't know where to found problem. |
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| 10:01.48 | ManateeLazyCat | bpun: I need down, see you later.... |
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| 10:03.30 | bpun | reloads his gun again.. awaits for a new debate |
| 10:03.37 | bpun | (jk) :) |
| 10:03.39 | fireba11 | question: does the debian installer when installing on raid set up grub for all disks? of do i need to do that manually? |
| 10:04.13 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: manually |
| 10:04.35 | bpun | fireba11, my attitude in general, is always try to do it the manual way.. cuse if anything goes wrong, it so much faster/easier to troubleshoot and repair |
| 10:04.47 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: and you install grub onto a disk, not a virtual block device (such as mdX) |
| 10:05.35 | echosystm | hi guys, im kind of new to debian but im noticing some strange things |
| 10:05.49 | echosystm | why is sudo installed by default but no users added to sudoers? |
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| 10:05.53 | bpun | echosystm, the penguin logo? |
| 10:06.13 | xeon-enouf | echosystm: try 'groups' |
| 10:06.14 | petemc | echosystm: is that strange? you're free to configure it as you need |
| 10:06.16 | bpun | echosystm, you miss the bsod? |
| 10:06.27 | echosystm | im coming from arch and i find debian really convoluted |
| 10:06.42 | echosystm | but i think in the long run i might be better off |
| 10:06.48 | echosystm | (managing upgrades etc.) |
| 10:07.07 | echosystm | im just wondering why they installed it and not enabled it? |
| 10:07.15 | bpun | echosystm, /etc/sudoers? man sudoers |
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| 10:07.33 | echosystm | i dont actually want sudo installed lol |
| 10:07.42 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: so how do i install grub on the second radi1 disk? a quick googling didn't turn up what i expected |
| 10:07.45 | echosystm | if i deselect base system when i install, will it get rid of this? |
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| 10:08.15 | bpun | echosystm, why express doubts if u dont want sudo? |
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| 10:08.47 | bpun | echosystm, lol.. u cant deselect base system.. |
| 10:08.54 | echosystm | oh |
| 10:09.02 | echosystm | :P |
| 10:09.05 | echosystm | i knew that. |
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| 10:11.08 | fireba11 | bpun: a stimple grub-install /dev/sdx should do right? |
| 10:11.12 | xeon-enouf | fireba11: you install to /dev/sdb ? |
| 10:11.44 | xeon-enouf | !sudoers |
| 10:11.44 | dpkg | You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'. See also <visudo>. |
| 10:12.22 | fireba11 | xeon-enouf: yes. i expected /dev/sda to already contain grub :-) |
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| 10:17.40 | paxcoder | I have a problem with Epiphany if you please. I've imported my contacts (from a cvs), and they are in "Personal", but when I try to use them (by clicking To:), it shows nothing. |
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| 10:18.49 | ix | Anyone have an idea as to how I can get date to print when a given week in a given year starts and ends in POSIX time? |
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| 10:31.30 | maxagaz | is there a command line to check the codec and the container of an audio file ? (file doesn't seem to be enough) |
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| 10:32.46 | ces200 | hello, how do I make the automatic recognition of usb memory? |
| 10:32.58 | ces200 | (for debian lenny) |
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| 10:37.23 | robinsmidsrod | unzip on ubuntu has command line switches (-O) to convert charset of filenames, but on Debian it is missing. The same version (5.52) of unzip is installed - can anyone enlighten me as to why these switches are missing on Debian? |
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| 10:37.51 | robinsmidsrod | I'm runny debian lenny |
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| 10:38.21 | jelly | judd: versions unzip |
| 10:38.22 | judd | jelly: unzip -- etch: 5.52-9etch1 etch-security: 5.52-9etch1 lenny: 5.52-12 sid: 6.0-1 squeeze: 6.0-1 |
| 10:38.39 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: you have 5.52-12 ? |
| 10:38.47 | robinsmidsrod | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.49 | robinsmidsrod | yep |
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| 10:39.53 | robinsmidsrod | locale reports LANG="en_US.UTF-8" if that is useful |
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| 10:41.56 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: the -O and -I options are listed in the help section (--help) below the modifiers section, but before the Examples section (on my ubuntu version (which is 5.52-11ubuntu1) |
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| 10:42.58 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: ubuntu is using a patch not present in upstream, and Debian is not including that patch (yet) |
| 10:43.19 | jelly | see for example http://bugs.debian.org/483290 |
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| 10:43.44 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: crap - how can I emulate that behaviour? is there another unzipping program I can use that supports similar functionality? |
| 10:44.08 | jelly | I guess you could rebuild it and add ubuntu's patch |
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| 10:46.05 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: I was hoping to avoid recompiling anything - you know if 7zip supports this on debian? |
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| 10:50.36 | jelly | I have no idea. |
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| 10:53.00 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: how would I go about recompiling unzip with the patch (newbie deb packager) |
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| 10:59.49 | RubinosPerez | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 11:00.31 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 11:00.46 | DelphiWorld | please, could anyone give me a tutorial to configure my debian a a VPN router? |
| 11:00.58 | DelphiWorld | debian connect to PPTP to route my LAN trafic to wan troug it |
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| 11:04.23 | zrin | is there a command to list lvm logical volumes along with pv usage, like "vg1/home uses 10 GB on /dev/sda3 and 20 GB on /dev/sdb3"? |
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| 11:04.42 | zrin | ... or to list contents of a pv |
| 11:05.00 | telmich | good morning |
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| 11:05.59 | telmich | I've again the problem that I get apache2 installed (and started), if I install trac. I solved it by using aptitude instead of apt-get some time ago, but now aptitude seems to include recommends as default, too |
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| 11:06.18 | telmich | how can I tell aptitude or apt-get *not* to install recommends normally? |
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| 11:07.48 | zrin | ... or is there a way to find out on which pv a lv resides? |
| 11:09.02 | telmich | doesn't lvdisplay show that? |
| 11:09.04 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: pptp |
| 11:09.04 | dpkg | well, pptp is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a very insecure and unreliable way to create tunnels. A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on Ethernet connected broadband networks. See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html . Also ask me <pptp clients>, <poptop>, <vpn>. |
| 11:09.39 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: pptp clients |
| 11:09.39 | dpkg | If you have to connect to a <PPTP> server for your VPN, you can try kvpnc, pptpconfig (http://pptpclient.sf.net/) and network-manager-pptp. |
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| 11:14.01 | whatnow | Hi! Why is there no iwconfig (fresh lenny install) / how do I get it or something like that? |
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| 11:16.22 | asg | whatnow: it's in the wireless-tools package |
| 11:16.43 | darkskiez | zrin: lvdisplay --maps |
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| 11:17.16 | zrin | darkskiez: thank you! |
| 11:17.57 | whatnow | asg: And I guess that package is neighter on DVD1 nor on CD1, so I would need working WLAN to get it? |
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| 11:19.15 | asg | whatnow: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 11:21.15 | whatnow | Oh, I see... thanks! |
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| 11:26.13 | m4sker | msg nickserv register 8898702 |
| 11:26.24 | m4sker | msg nickserv register 8898702 |
| 11:26.37 | m4sker | msg nickserv register 8898702 m4sker@gmail.com |
| 11:26.57 | robinsmidsrod | m4sker: you're forgetting the / in front |
| 11:26.58 | bzed | m4sker: fail. |
| 11:27.05 | robinsmidsrod | bzed: indeed :) |
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| 11:29.18 | xeon-enouf | wait .. bpun .. oh crap; s/he's gone |
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| 11:29.42 | telmich | m4sker: 13:26 < robinsmidsrod> m4sker: you're forgetting the / in front |
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| 11:30.01 | telmich | m4sker: you probably want to change your password |
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| 11:30.26 | void_pointer | oh my |
| 11:30.33 | void_pointer | I really did lol that time ... |
| 11:30.42 | m4sker | .. |
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| 11:31.07 | void_pointer | chuck a few alpha chars in there as well |
| 11:31.21 | xeon-enouf | you might want a new email name too :-P |
| 11:31.39 | void_pointer | nah. Now i have somewhere to forward my spam to |
| 11:32.04 | xeon-enouf | void_pointer: i just forward mine to whitehouse.gov :-p |
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| 11:32.21 | xeon-enouf | oh wait .. since bush is gone, i've stopped that :-) |
| 11:32.32 | void_pointer | Obama gets it sent right to his crackberry |
| 11:32.55 | void_pointer | m4sker anyway, it's only 10,000,000 combinations tried and your password is cracked |
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| 11:33.32 | xeon-enouf | it's his phone number - now just to figure out the Area Code :-P |
| 11:33.36 | void_pointer | lol |
| 11:33.46 | void_pointer | two real laughs in an hour. This is good today |
| 11:34.22 | m4sker | ok |
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| 11:35.59 | xeon-enouf | so .. bpun is using tmpfs for his FF cache .. what good is that since tmpfs can be swapped anyway |
| 11:36.07 | void_pointer | m4sker use my phone number instead - 5524470 |
| 11:36.24 | void_pointer | still 10,000,000 combinations, but none of your friends will guess it |
| 11:36.30 | xeon-enouf | man, you're seriously lonely :-p |
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| 11:37.23 | void_pointer | or I have someone I don't like much who lives in Drayton Valley, Alberta |
| 11:37.24 | darkwizzard | hello |
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| 11:37.29 | void_pointer | I'll say no more! |
| 11:37.34 | robinsmidsrod | m4sker: in the future, you should always do these kind of operations in the status window - much more safe |
| 11:37.51 | darkwizzard | I can't get webcam access without root, even chmod 777 /dev/video0 doesn't help |
| 11:37.55 | darkwizzard | I get permission denied |
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| 11:39.44 | xeon-enouf | put /dev/video0 back to it's original perms - then ask yourself which group your username needs to be in |
| 11:40.04 | xeon-enouf | 'video' at the least :-) |
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| 11:40.10 | m4sker | my englist is poor, i can only a little english. sorry. |
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| 11:41.59 | joeytwiddle | <m4sker> msg nickserv register 8898702 m4sker@gmail.com |
| 11:42.01 | joeytwiddle | we saw it! |
| 11:42.56 | darkwizzard | I'm in the video group |
| 11:43.22 | darkwizzard | and even though I chmod the device |
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| 11:43.25 | void_pointer | m4sker ok, I'll try to simplify it --> Velly bad mistake! Velly bad mistake! |
| 11:43.29 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: try other ones too - ask in #v4l or something maybe - check /etc/groups for ideas |
| 11:44.23 | void_pointer | hmm beijing ... |
| 11:44.24 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: you'd have to strace it to see what's causing the perm error, it means, it's not the dev/name that's the issue most likely |
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| 11:44.58 | void_pointer | something tells me all is not as it seems with m4sker |
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| 11:45.08 | m4sker | thanks |
| 11:45.37 | m4sker | i change my password now |
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| 11:46.17 | void_pointer | that's ok. Someone's probably already changed it for you |
| 11:46.25 | void_pointer | JOKES m4sker. Change it. |
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| 11:47.38 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: are you using gspca modules ? maybe there's a specfic group for that? how about 'plugdev', you in that one? how about maybe 'fuse' ? |
| 11:47.46 | xeon-enouf | !gspca |
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| 11:47.46 | dpkg | The GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gspca one-liner>. This driver is included in mainline kernels as of 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html . See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>. |
| 11:48.00 | xeon-enouf | !webcam |
| 11:48.00 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
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| 11:48.10 | dkay | Hello, i got troubles to mount my ntfs drive. what do i have to do to mount it to my linux? |
| 11:48.21 | darkwizzard | I'm in that too |
| 11:48.30 | niklaswe | dkay: load ntfs module |
| 11:48.37 | darkwizzard | I have two webcams, one with uvcvideo one with gspca |
| 11:48.52 | niklaswe | and mount -t ntfs /dev/windows-disc /path/to/mount |
| 11:48.55 | darkwizzard | both have the same problem |
| 11:49.33 | darkwizzard | I don't have a fuse group |
| 11:50.00 | darkwizzard | I can paste the strace |
| 11:50.38 | darkwizzard | http://pastebin.com/m3a77ebc9 |
| 11:50.40 | darkwizzard | here |
| 11:51.39 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: if you want rw access to ntfs, you want NTFS-3G + FUSE |
| 11:51.45 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:51.58 | dkay | niklaswe, how to load this? modprobe ntfs? |
| 11:52.20 | xeon-enouf | !tell dkay -about ntfs-3g |
| 11:52.31 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: however. You want to enable deb-src lines for stable/lenny instead of sid (unstable), and you'll have to get Ubuntu's -O patch from them |
| 11:52.44 | dkay | i installed ntfs-3g but never had to load it manually? |
| 11:52.49 | darkwizzard | I have ntfs write access |
| 11:53.06 | xeon-enouf | oh- oops |
| 11:53.10 | darkwizzard | :) |
| 11:53.26 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: thanks for the pointers! since this was a one time issue I decided to hack around it - just took the unzip binary from ubuntu and used it with a specific path on my target system |
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| 11:53.46 | niklaswe | dkay: yeah |
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| 11:54.43 | dkay | this is the errormessage -> Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume |
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| 11:55.12 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: hey, whatever works :-) |
| 11:55.15 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: um, $ strace cat /dev/video0 isn;t useful ;-) you want to strace you firing up your application that uses the webcam where you get permission denied |
| 11:55.44 | darkwizzard | oook |
| 11:56.08 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: luckily it was a simple binary - would've been much worse if it was a qt app or something - then it probably wouldn't have worked (I'm just assuming) |
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| 11:56.39 | APO-Fils | Je suis la !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:56.46 | APO-Fils | Parlez français ici maintenant !!! |
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| 11:57.10 | APO-Fils | J'adore le choc ola :-) |
| 11:57.13 | APO-Fils | C'est bon j'aime bien |
| 11:57.17 | asg | !fr |
| 11:57.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:57.19 | APO-Fils | Délicieu |
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| 11:57.29 | darkwizzard | xeon-enouf: but that output is huge |
| 11:57.44 | APO-Fils | asg, tu sais pas si il y a des jolies filles ici ? |
| 11:57.56 | APO-Fils | Des putes ou des salopes, pas de problème, je prend tout |
| 11:58.29 | APO-Fils | Vous êtes au courant que freenode a été vendu la semaine passé ? |
| 11:58.31 | themill | APO-Fils: #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net |
| 11:58.41 | APO-Fils | ok |
| 11:58.46 | APO-Fils | j'y vais |
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| 11:58.53 | jelly | au voir |
| 11:58.56 | void_pointer | he's just finished trolling on #ubuntu |
| 11:59.04 | void_pointer | well, he got kicked |
| 11:59.07 | void_pointer | the Frenchy |
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| 12:00.03 | jelly | there's a difference between a newbie and a troll... perhaps #ubuntu are less tolerant of newbie behaviour? |
| 12:00.07 | robinsmidsrod | !no |
| 12:00.07 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 12:00.10 | robinsmidsrod | !nb |
| 12:00.10 | dpkg | NB or nb means Nota Bene, or "note well"; an exhortation to pay attention to what has been said. |
| 12:00.11 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: yeah - just find the missing group you need to be in |
| 12:00.21 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 12:00.21 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 12:01.10 | darkwizzard | ok |
| 12:01.11 | darkwizzard | got it |
| 12:01.12 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: nb is also "No Brainer" |
| 12:01.12 | dpkg | okay, xeon-enouf |
| 12:01.14 | void_pointer | jelly it would be ironic if #ubuntu didn't like newbs though, no? ;) |
| 12:01.16 | robinsmidsrod | just curious if you had a factiod in Norwegian aswell as French :) |
| 12:01.30 | darkwizzard | the device was in /dev/shm |
| 12:02.08 | xeon-enouf | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 100 2009-08-12 06:21 /dev/shm |
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| 12:02.29 | jelly | void_pointer: I'm not acquainted with their policies, sorry |
| 12:02.32 | darkwizzard | changed permissions and group ownership and now it works |
| 12:02.36 | azeem | robinsmidsrod: there's one IIRC |
| 12:02.36 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: stat /dev/shm ; 1777? |
| 12:02.40 | azeem | just not "no" |
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| 12:02.42 | azeem | !norge |
| 12:02.45 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:02.48 | azeem | !debian.no |
| 12:02.51 | xeon-enouf | darkwizzard: what was it? |
| 12:02.52 | jelly | fail! |
| 12:03.04 | azeem | it's in my Debconf9 presentation :) |
| 12:03.12 | robinsmidsrod | azeem: I guess the keyword is not obvious... |
| 12:03.26 | jelly | !listvals norw |
| 12:03.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'norw' by value (15 of 19): #kde ;; .no ;; bodø ;; d-no #del# ;; debian-no ;; kde three ;; norway ;; oppdal ;; scandinavia ;; slarbiartfast ;; tg ;; thul ;; toresb ;; trysil ;; zerium. |
| 12:03.38 | jelly | !.no |
| 12:03.38 | dpkg | methinks .no is Norway |
| 12:03.41 | void_pointer | jelly oh ok. I'll give you the two guiding policies. 1) Use the GUI at all costs, 2) Never joke about Debian being better than Ubuntu |
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| 12:03.46 | darkwizzard | http://pastebin.com/mb919bab |
| 12:03.50 | ranix | !#debian-no |
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| 12:04.38 | azeem | !debian-no |
| 12:04.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 12:04.41 | azeem | that's the one |
| 12:04.55 | azeem | dpkg: no is also is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske |
| 12:04.56 | dpkg | azeem: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:04.59 | azeem | argh |
| 12:05.07 | ranix | don't know why I put a hash there |
| 12:05.18 | azeem | dpkg, no is also is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 12:05.18 | dpkg | azeem: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:05.21 | azeem | hrm |
| 12:05.22 | jelly | tells azeem about msg the bot |
| 12:05.26 | jelly | hides |
| 12:05.33 | ranix | I think it doesn't like the second is |
| 12:05.37 | azeem | dpkg, no is also is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 12:05.37 | dpkg | azeem: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request |
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| 12:05.43 | azeem | blah |
| 12:05.43 | darkwizzard | Sweet now I can record my guitar straight from Jack |
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| 12:06.05 | azeem | it might not like "no" as factoid much |
| 12:06.18 | ranix | oh, I know what it's doing |
| 12:06.26 | ranix | no, foo is bar is a factoid correction |
| 12:06.34 | jelly | dpkg, no =~ /ense/ense. Also testing/ |
| 12:06.34 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, jelly |
| 12:06.47 | ranix | dpkg: no |
| 12:06.47 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 12:07.07 | ranix | dpkg no, no is No Offense. Also, is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users |
| 12:07.07 | dpkg | You are person #6 to send an unparseable request, ranix |
| 12:07.08 | echosystm | fonts in xterm are tiny |
| 12:07.10 | jelly | dpkg: forget no |
| 12:07.10 | ranix | haha |
| 12:07.27 | echosystm | is there any central place to fix this other than .xdefaults? |
| 12:07.30 | azeem | no is also a keyword |
| 12:07.33 | ranix | yeah |
| 12:07.43 | echosystm | im finding fonts are really small in a lot of programs im running |
| 12:07.48 | jelly | dpkg: no, no is <reply>No offense blah blah blah |
| 12:07.49 | dpkg | jelly: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 12:08.00 | jelly | hell no. |
| 12:08.12 | abrotman | IIRC, i'ts a built-in |
| 12:08.18 | asg | jelly: just make the nord factoid nyet :P |
| 12:08.19 | azeem | norway loses |
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| 12:08.28 | abrotman | or just give up on it :) |
| 12:08.30 | jelly | .yes |
| 12:08.39 | azeem | !be |
| 12:08.39 | dpkg | from memory, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 12:08.50 | abrotman | !no |
| 12:08.50 | dpkg | No Offense, or Norway |
| 12:08.50 | jelly | abrotman: why would we give up on italia? |
| 12:08.51 | robinsmidsrod | azeem: how many norwegians come here without english skills anyway? |
| 12:08.59 | abrotman | did we want to add something else? |
| 12:09.02 | azeem | dpkg: be is also #debian.be |
| 12:09.02 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 12:09.04 | azeem | !be |
| 12:09.04 | dpkg | i guess be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. #debian.be |
| 12:09.13 | azeem | abrotman: the channel |
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| 12:09.20 | abrotman | #debian-no or .no ? |
| 12:09.21 | azeem | though it was empty last time I checked |
| 12:09.26 | azeem | #debian-no |
| 12:09.30 | abrotman | oh .. then why do we care? :) |
| 12:09.32 | ranix | oftc might have more people |
| 12:09.37 | ranix | in #debian-no |
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| 12:09.41 | azeem | ... on both networks |
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| 12:09.50 | abrotman | !no |
| 12:09.50 | dpkg | No Offense, or Norway: #debian-no |
| 12:09.51 | ranix | well then |
| 12:09.52 | abrotman | better ? |
| 12:09.57 | ranix | much! thanks abrotman |
| 12:10.01 | azeem | yay |
| 12:10.10 | azeem | how did you do it? |
| 12:10.11 | ranix | (more like snoreway, amirite) |
| 12:10.16 | abrotman | has no idea how to say "Thor wants you to join #debian-no" in norwegian .. |
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| 12:10.18 | azeem | please don't /msg the bot |
| 12:10.29 | abrotman | azeem: with the "s =~" syntax |
| 12:10.30 | azeem | abrotman: see the "debian-no" factoid |
| 12:10.33 | azeem | k |
| 12:10.34 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:10.46 | themill | Given //topiic in #debian-no, I don't know that we should send people there. |
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| 12:10.55 | Fatboy12345236DS | y not? |
| 12:11.06 | azeem | hehe |
| 12:11.18 | abrotman | !bi |
| 12:11.18 | dpkg | somebody said bi was what happens when jzm meens to type 'vi'. Burundi |
| 12:11.21 | abrotman | !no |
| 12:11.21 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 12:11.23 | abrotman | better ? |
| 12:11.28 | azeem | it's suprising how many language-specific channels are empty |
| 12:11.40 | azeem | if you only know german, french or spanish, you wouldn't think that |
| 12:11.43 | void_pointer | they are ghettos |
| 12:11.53 | azeem | e.g. there were only four people in the indian channel, one french guy included |
| 12:12.00 | darkwizzard | heh |
| 12:12.01 | themill | /topic in #debian-no says that sarge is stable and etch is the new testing.... |
| 12:12.10 | darkwizzard | wtf, #debian.ro is empty to |
| 12:12.19 | void_pointer | all hacked out |
| 12:12.25 | azeem | !ro |
| 12:12.32 | azeem | it doesn't even have a factoid |
| 12:12.36 | void_pointer | as is the Australian one |
| 12:12.41 | darkwizzard | wow, no Debian Romania |
| 12:12.45 | darkwizzard | that is surprising :D |
| 12:12.56 | void_pointer | !au |
| 12:12.56 | ranix | romania is where spam comes from |
| 12:12.57 | dpkg | well, au is gold. <Australia>, or a small island with mini-lines when it comes to internet |
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| 12:13.16 | void_pointer | how rude |
| 12:13.17 | darkwizzard | !swe |
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| 12:13.32 | asg | darkwizzard: /msg dpkg se |
| 12:13.34 | azeem | #debian-ro on oftc has a topic at least |
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| 12:13.46 | Fatboy12345236DS | brb |
| 12:13.47 | Fatboy12345236DS | bak |
| 12:14.24 | Fatboy12345236DS | !warn Fatboy12345236 |
| 12:14.30 | ranix | !dpwtb |
| 12:14.30 | dpkg | Please, don't play with the bots. If you really *must* play with the bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 12:14.47 | Fatboy12345236DS | k |
| 12:14.49 | ranix | ;) |
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| 12:31.50 | jelly | omry: can you do a ntpq -p ntp-server from the client? |
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| 12:37.49 | valdyn | omry: you need to configure the serverside ntp to accept connections from your network |
| 12:38.36 | clarjon1 | anyone here? |
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| 12:42.43 | sandman | Anyone else notice that checkinstall doesn't work for a lot of things, such as the nvidia installer from nvidia.com? |
| 12:43.25 | petemc | if checkinstall worked for everything debian wouldnt need as many developers |
| 12:43.27 | sandman | I tried dpkg --force-all -i ./thePackageThatResulted and it still failed. But anywa, I just meant to ask what the preferred method of installing 3rd party programs is |
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| 12:43.49 | sandman | stow? epkg? |
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| 12:44.31 | Titan8990 | there really isn't any unless they offer debian repos... the guide for nvidia driver is quite nice, have you already looked at it? |
| 12:44.48 | sandman | Yes. |
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| 12:46.12 | Titan8990 | you should only use the package from nvidia.com if you have compiled a custom kernel |
| 12:46.43 | Titan8990 | otherwise the one in non-free with the help of module-assistant works well |
| 12:46.55 | sandman | Eh, I tried module-assistant first. It failed |
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| 12:49.47 | omry | jelly, I get : "69.156.254.218 .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000" on the client. strange thing is that 69.156.254.218 is the ntp server my own server synchronizes with. |
| 12:50.02 | omry | valdyn, how do I do that? I tried to comment out the restrict lines but it didn't seem to work. |
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| 12:51.12 | clarjon1 | has a problem with his debian |
| 12:51.21 | clarjon1 | Everything's working, now i'm bored |
| 12:51.26 | GMF` | Hi everypeepz |
| 12:51.32 | sandman | clarjon1: Play Wesnoth or something |
| 12:51.53 | clarjon1 | sandman: I was hoping for extensive bug hunting tho! :P |
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| 12:52.01 | valdyn | omry: dont do that, just broadcast to your lan |
| 12:52.06 | petemc | clarjon1: bugs.debian.org , fill your boots |
| 12:52.19 | clarjon1 | shrugs |
| 12:52.27 | clarjon1 | I meant bugs relevant to my hardware |
| 12:52.41 | Titan8990 | sandman, if you post a log of your error we might be able to help |
| 12:52.52 | valdyn | omry: ntpq -p does not need to work , thats *more* access than needed |
| 12:52.53 | clarjon1 | but everything's working that no other distros could get working this quickly and easily |
| 12:53.10 | clarjon1 | tho i did have to grab a 'buntu package for my hardware, would that count? |
| 12:53.20 | clarjon1 | knetworkmanager :P |
| 12:54.52 | omry | valdyn, I feel more comfortable to simple allow machines from the lan to send net requests.. |
| 12:54.52 | hark | that's already in debian |
| 12:54.53 | valdyn | omry: thats something else |
| 12:55.00 | valdyn | omry: that is *not* ntpq -p |
| 12:55.21 | valdyn | omry: ntpq -p does not ask just about time, it asks how the server is connected and how the server gets its time |
| 12:55.23 | omry | valdyn, ntpq -p was an answer to jelly's question. |
| 12:55.30 | clarjon1 | hark: I couldn't find it, I had to grab it from the net |
| 12:55.48 | clarjon1 | and yes i have non-free and contrib enabled :P |
| 12:55.52 | valdyn | omry: ntp does not restrict your lans computers direct access |
| 12:55.52 | clarjon1 | and backports |
| 12:55.59 | valdyn | omry: ( by default ) |
| 12:56.02 | hark | clarjon1: it's in the network-manager-kde package |
| 12:56.06 | valdyn | omry: whats your setup on the client side? |
| 12:56.08 | clarjon1 | hark: oooh, ok |
| 12:56.15 | clarjon1 | wait |
| 12:56.16 | omry | valdyn, alright. so the ntpq -p answer was fine. |
| 12:56.17 | clarjon1 | no it wasn't |
| 12:56.26 | clarjon1 | i installed that and it wasn't there |
| 12:56.32 | valdyn | omry: not really |
| 12:56.49 | clarjon1 | hark: network-manager-kde is a dependent of knetworkmanager :P |
| 12:57.04 | omry | valdyn, in ntpq shell, when I do 'as' I get that the condition is reject. so you are probably right about needing to allow machines in the lan to access the server. |
| 12:57.08 | omry | question is how |
| 12:57.24 | valdyn | omry: again: ntpd does not restrict client access |
| 12:57.27 | fredl | hiya. I would like to compile fglrx for the Xen kernel but there are no kernel headers for the Xen kernel. Is there a way I can tell it to simply use the current kernel's header files? |
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| 12:57.34 | hark | clarjon1: it provides it |
| 12:57.36 | valdyn | omry: more precisely ntpd does not restrict clients asking for the time |
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| 12:57.44 | clarjon1 | hark: It didn't for me :P |
| 12:57.51 | hark | !find bin/knetworkmanager lenny |
| 12:58.08 | valdyn | omry: if you cannot ask for time, then your firewall is broken, if ntpq -p does not work then that doesnt mean that asking for time doesnt work |
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| 12:58.48 | clarjon1 | well it didn't work for me o.o |
| 12:58.50 | hark | clarjon1: ^ |
| 12:58.54 | clarjon1 | i know what it says |
| 12:58.59 | jelly | omry: ok. that means a) your client can access your server's settings, but also b) your server isn't quite synced up with anything |
| 12:59.28 | omry | valdyn, there is no firewall between the machines. my client is configured with a single server which is my own ntp server. |
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| 12:59.40 | valdyn | omry: with debians default config? |
| 12:59.43 | omry | jelly, so the client can't synchronize with the server because the server itself is not syncrhonized? |
| 12:59.46 | clarjon1 | hark: I don't understand it either, but I installed that package thinking it would get knetworkmanager going, but it spat out "command not found" and all |
| 12:59.50 | valdyn | omry: how are you testing that you can ask for time? |
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| 13:00.45 | valdyn | omry: this stuff works by default unless you firewall it |
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| 13:01.01 | valdyn | omry: so i think you need to research again if you actually have *any* problem |
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| 13:01.18 | valdyn | omry: synching does not and should not happen instantly |
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| 13:02.42 | jelly | omry: no, afaik the client should be able to sync to your server |
| 13:03.07 | omry | valdyn, yes. with a minor tweak (just changed the servers bit on both my server and the clients) |
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| 13:03.49 | omry | valdyn, I assume that there are problems because after a few days the clocks are off by almost a full minute. |
| 13:04.00 | valdyn | omry: which clocks |
| 13:04.22 | omry | also, on the client - ntpq -> as shows 'reject' in the line for the server. this does not sounds good. |
| 13:04.28 | omry | date |
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| 13:04.36 | valdyn | omry: thats GOOD |
| 13:04.53 | valdyn | omry: err, hold on |
| 13:05.16 | jelly | what does an ntp server do if it isn't synced to anything itself? |
| 13:05.20 | valdyn | omry: that means the server is firewalled or misconfigured |
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| 13:06.04 | valdyn | omry: misconfigured means thats it is also deviating from the debian default, which allows any time lookup |
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| 13:07.05 | vi390 | whats the best methode at the moment to spindown sata drives? (tweaking it with sdparm? or are there better practices?) |
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| 13:07.45 | valdyn | omry: you should look at netstat -plunt on the server and try to reach port 123 from the client |
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| 13:08.11 | valdyn | vi390: not spinning it down is best |
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| 13:08.34 | fredl | Hmm, I tried to simply move the fglrx.ko from the stock kernel into /lib/modules for the Xen kernel but that won't work :( |
| 13:08.44 | vi390 | valdyn: why that. If the drive is 99.999% of the time just idling? |
| 13:09.00 | valdyn | vi390: how often would it spin up? |
| 13:09.06 | vi390 | iam niot talking about the main drive, its just a backup drive |
| 13:09.13 | omry | valdyn, my /etc/ntp.conf is quite standard : http://pastebin.ca/1573927 , iptables --list shows that there is no firewall configuration. I am going to try to send a udp packet from the client to the server now to make sure it gets there. |
| 13:09.15 | steven43126 | vi390: if the drive is idling it should spin down itself |
| 13:09.15 | vi390 | valdyn: maybe onece a wek |
| 13:09.24 | vi390 | once a week |
| 13:09.33 | valdyn | vi390: ok then, look at laptop mode tools |
| 13:09.35 | clarjon1 | oooh |
| 13:09.37 | omry | (a udp packet on ntp port) |
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| 13:10.08 | valdyn | vi390: or i guess in your situation you could just run hdparm too |
| 13:10.08 | clarjon1 | OOOh |
| 13:10.11 | clarjon1 | A PROBLEM :D |
| 13:10.26 | vi390 | valdyn: even if its a sata drive? isnt that sdparm then? |
| 13:10.32 | valdyn | vi390: nope |
| 13:10.50 | valdyn | vi390: sata isnt scsi |
| 13:11.04 | clarjon1 | ok |
| 13:11.08 | clarjon1 | when i try to update via ntptime |
| 13:11.08 | omry | valdyn, the server receives udp packets on port 123 from the client. (tested with netcat). |
| 13:11.10 | clarjon1 | i get this error |
| 13:11.11 | clarjon1 | http://clarjon1.pastebin.com/m122d6cd0 |
| 13:11.12 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, I thought hdparm is only for ide |
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| 13:11.21 | clarjon1 | (pasted kernel version at the bottom for more info) |
| 13:11.31 | valdyn | vi390: pata and sata take ata commands |
| 13:11.44 | vi390 | steven43126: it doesnt spindown itself |
| 13:11.54 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, so I use hdparm |
| 13:12.11 | valdyn | vi390: timed spindown is possible with various powersaving daemons |
| 13:12.12 | steven43126 | vi390: i hdparm will set options regarding when to spindown |
| 13:12.40 | steven43126 | vi390: can also set acoustic level, which will slow down the drive and save power |
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| 13:13.07 | valdyn | vi390: i suppose all sata disks can have firmware controlled spindown |
| 13:13.10 | steven43126 | i have had problems with sata drives and hdparam though, used to work fins in the days if IDE :) |
| 13:13.21 | valdyn | vi390: which means you can use hdparm also for timed spindown i think |
| 13:13.30 | vi390 | valdyn: which powersave daemons are you talking about? |
| 13:13.33 | valdyn | vi390: for usb its different |
| 13:13.42 | valdyn | vi390: powersaved |
| 13:14.16 | vi390 | valdyn: well I have also one USB drive to spin down, what can I use for that than? |
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| 13:14.36 | valdyn | vi390: try hdparm to spin it down |
| 13:14.37 | clarjon1 | i'll be back later |
| 13:14.44 | vi390 | steven43126: Slow down the drive would be nice too, since the Disks are not speed relevant, Are Just backup drives |
| 13:14.45 | steven43126 | vi390: see man hdparm and option -B |
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| 13:14.54 | vi390 | steven43126: ok, thanks |
| 13:15.09 | steven43126 | vi390: np |
| 13:15.27 | vi390 | is that all the same, regardless which manufactorer ? |
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| 13:17.00 | valdyn | vi390: pretty much |
| 13:17.14 | valdyn | vi390: theres broken hardware as usual and theres crappy usb enclusures |
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| 13:17.35 | vi390 | valdyn: so I can use hdparm also on USB drives? |
| 13:17.40 | valdyn | vi390: try it |
| 13:17.52 | vi390 | valdyn: ok |
| 13:17.55 | valdyn | vi390: look at -B -S and -y |
| 13:18.09 | valdyn | vi390: -y is obviously a little more evil |
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| 13:18.15 | vi390 | valdyn: thanks, safes time in reading manual :) |
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| 13:19.02 | vi390 | valdyn: why evil? thats the one I wanted to try out first ;) (Force an IDE drive to immediately enter the low power consumption standby mode - Sounds nice) |
| 13:19.35 | valdyn | vi390: i think you probably should unmount it to do that safely |
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| 13:20.00 | vi390 | valdyn: ooh, okey: But all the other spindown or else I can use even its mounted? |
| 13:20.19 | valdyn | vi390: yea, maybe -y too, i dont know it |
| 13:20.39 | vi390 | valdyn: ok, thanks a lot. Iam trying things out |
| 13:21.17 | valdyn | vi390: and dont do this on drives that you need often, spin down can quickly destroy a desktop drive |
| 13:21.29 | valdyn | vi390: ( quickly as in less than a year ) |
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| 13:21.54 | vi390 | valdyn: why that? (I mean its only a server, no desktop) |
| 13:22.31 | valdyn | vi390: laptop drives are built for 6 digit spin ups, desktops for 5 at most |
| 13:22.55 | vi390 | valdyn: maybe it would be best to tweak it so that it spins down after an hour automaticaly |
| 13:23.06 | valdyn | vi390: one hour is good yea |
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| 13:23.27 | valdyn | vi390: but it will probably not be idle for one hour unless you unmount |
| 13:23.27 | vi390 | valdyn: I thought on Laptops its more or less usual for a drive to spin down |
| 13:24.05 | valdyn | vi390: that is why laptop drive can spin up and down 10 times as often before breaking |
| 13:24.22 | valdyn | vi390: read : http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq |
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| 13:24.50 | vi390 | valdyn: hmm, maybe I need more information on this subject, do You know sort of "best Practice" links for Spindown handling with backup drives on servers |
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| 13:25.01 | vi390 | valdyn: oh, okey thx |
| 13:25.16 | jawbrkr | anybody run a syslog-ng server, i'm trying to filter out a few hosts |
| 13:25.18 | vi390 | valdyn: nice link |
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| 13:27.53 | vi390 | valdyn: aah okey, now I see what you mean. Well this asumes that there is spin-up and down every ten minutes. Well I think if some drives (like backupdrives) needs to be accessed only once a week it would still be worth spinning them donw (at least for power consumtion reasons) |
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| 13:28.05 | valdyn | vi390: sure yes |
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| 13:28.41 | vi390 | valdyn: Ok, trying some things with the drives than. Thanks a lot |
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| 13:30.54 | brutus | how do I set emacs to maximize on startup? |
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| 13:33.15 | sepult | brutus: channel #emacs |
| 13:33.33 | sepult | brutus: basically you define a maximize-frame function or so |
| 13:33.42 | sepult | brutus: google for it |
| 13:34.38 | sepult | brutus: maybe you look in stackoverflow.org or .net or so |
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| 13:35.13 | Titan8990 | brutus, echo -e '(require 'maxframe)\n(add-hook 'window-setup-hook 'maximize-frame t)' >> ~/.emacs |
| 13:35.18 | brutus | sepult, I think I can hard code the emacs initial-frame-alist to my resolution.. |
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| 13:35.25 | cydork | brutus: check the emacswiki, it has some examples bounding f11 to fullscreen emacs.. you can just call the same function in .emacs |
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| 13:41.19 | fredl | hey folks. I compiled the fglrx driver for the 2.6.26-2 xen amd64 kernel. The driver loads and doesn't complain and I see gdm starting up (the blue background actually shows for a fraction of a second) but then the screen turns all white. |
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| 13:42.39 | fredl | I can type, I just don't see it. The mouse works. When I log in GNOME starts to come up and I see a blue background / two empty menu bars on top/bottom and then things seem to hang |
| 13:42.48 | fredl | (the mouse still works though) |
| 13:43.00 | Wyzard | fredl: Last I checked (admittedly about a year ago), nVidia's proprietary driver doesn't support Xen; I wouldn't be surprised if ATi's doesn't either |
| 13:43.00 | Titan8990 | pastebin your xorg log |
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| 13:43.59 | fredl | Titan8990, I can't because the NIC is also not visible in Dom0, but I'll save it, reboot and then pastebin it, so bear with me. |
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| 13:46.02 | clarjon1 | quick q: upgrading my kernel from repos will keep the previous one installed, yes? |
| 13:46.05 | fredl | hmm I appear to have two Xen GRUB options at bootup, is that normal? |
| 13:46.16 | fredl | I only just noticed that now. |
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| 13:48.02 | fredl | http://pastebin.ca/1573953 |
| 13:48.04 | Wyzard | fredl: You want the one that says something like "Xen 3.2.1-i386 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686" -- that's the one that boots the hypervisor, and the kernel under it |
| 13:48.23 | fredl | ok Wyzard, I'll pay more attention next time. |
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| 13:48.32 | Wyzard | fredl: Not the one that says "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-686" -- that'll try to boot the kernel directly, without the hypervisor (which probably won't work for a -xen kernel) |
| 13:48.57 | fredl | I think for this Xorg.log I just selected the first one without really looking, maybe I started up the wrong one. |
| 13:49.39 | clarjon1 | Wyzard: Updating the kernel via repos will keep the previous one installed, yes? |
| 13:50.04 | Wyzard | clarjon1: It should, yes |
| 13:50.07 | clarjon1 | ty |
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| 13:50.39 | fredl | clarjon1, I think so, I had installed the 2.6.26-1-xen kernel first and then after that 2.6.26-2-xen, so now I actually have 4 lines in my GRUB menu about Xen :) |
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| 13:51.07 | fredl | Titan8990, Wyzard, that Xorg.0.log looks fine doesn't it? |
| 13:51.18 | Wyzard | Looks OK to me |
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| 13:51.59 | fredl | Hmm, lemme try and see which menu option I chose in GRUB... |
| 13:52.21 | clarjon1 | tyvm |
| 13:52.33 | fredl | ywvm |
| 13:52.47 | hmage | apt-get install apt |
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| 13:53.50 | fredl | Wyzard, okay, I chose Xen 3.2-1-amd64 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 13:54.06 | fredl | the hypervisor is xend? |
| 13:54.17 | justin | xen is the hypervisor |
| 13:54.26 | fredl | ok... |
| 13:54.39 | justin | maybe you would be better off using kvm? |
| 13:54.59 | fredl | I'll go try that as well but I want to be able to compare. |
| 13:55.24 | terra | hi i am having a little bit trouble, there is a package iw ould like to use but its not in lenny, but it is in the sid repo, so i downloaded the 3 files from the debian package section website one is the .orig.tar.gz, and one is a diff,gz, and one is the dsc, how do i build everything? into a deb? |
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| 13:56.22 | justin | terra: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:56.24 | fredl | Is it normal that my network interfaces appear to be gone in the hypervisor? |
| 13:56.24 | justin | terra: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:56.31 | terra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.37 | terra | justin: thanks ill read it |
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| 13:56.43 | justin | fredl: no |
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| 13:57.06 | fredl | I did change a config file for Xen /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp |
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| 13:58.02 | fredl | I commented (network-script network-dummy) and uncommented (network-script network-bridge) |
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| 13:58.27 | fredl | would that make my network interfaces disappear from the hypervisor? |
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| 13:58.40 | terra | justin: its not in backports, and the documentation you provided is a bit general, could you perhaps be a bit more speciffic? |
| 13:59.09 | justin | terra: the factoid is about as specific as you can get |
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| 13:59.23 | Wyzard | fredl: The network-bridge script will rename your eth0 to something like peth0, and then create a bridge called eth0 |
| 13:59.23 | petemc | fredl: you mean the dom0? you should gain additional interfaces, not lose them |
| 13:59.36 | clarjon1 | groans as fglrx kills his s2ram :( |
| 13:59.36 | fredl | undoes that change and reboots |
| 13:59.44 | clarjon1 | but yay, more stuff to debug and fix :D |
| 13:59.51 | Wyzard | fredl: with the bridge containing peth0 as well as vif* interfaces for any other domains that are running |
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| 13:59.59 | fredl | Wyzard, I just followed some instructions from a webpage without realizing what I was doing I'm affraid :) |
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| 14:00.15 | fredl | petemc - how do I know I'm in dom0 ? |
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| 14:00.57 | FailPowah | how can ui schedule a boot check disk for my ext3 system disk? |
| 14:00.58 | terra | justin: ok, it did not help me, but thank you for the effort and information you provided. |
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| 14:01.16 | justin | terra: how does a factoid telling you exactly what commands to type not help? |
| 14:01.23 | Wyzard | fredl: Well, network-bridge is probably what you want to use |
| 14:01.47 | fredl | Wyzard, Hmm, okay. |
| 14:02.33 | justin | no, you are better off with network-dummy |
| 14:02.46 | terra | justin: if by factoid you mean the message dpkg sent to me, it did not give me any commands, only a 2 urls and some general information to read about. |
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| 14:02.51 | justin | (network-script network-dummy) and (vif-script vif-bridge bridge=xen-br0) |
| 14:02.54 | justin | terra: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:02.58 | fredl | Well I booted with network-dummy now and I don't see any other interface than lo |
| 14:02.59 | justin | terra: pay better attention |
| 14:03.11 | justin | fredl: ifconfig -a ? |
| 14:03.20 | fredl | shows just loopback |
| 14:03.35 | terra | justin: fair enough. thank you |
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| 14:03.53 | justin | fredl: odd. What kind of nic do you have? |
| 14:04.09 | fredl | realtek 8168B |
| 14:04.23 | fredl | wait a minute... maybe the driver isn't loaded, had some probs with that before. |
| 14:04.49 | fredl | nope, thats it :) |
| 14:05.19 | themill | terra: what package is this, btw? |
| 14:05.22 | fredl | it's coz I need to use Realtek's own r8168 driver instead of Lenny's supplied r8169 driver |
| 14:05.33 | fredl | dang nabbit.... brb :) |
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| 14:05.45 | jelly | has anyone successfully done an ata "SECURITY ERASE" command on a sata disk with hdparm? Are there any preparation commands to run? |
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| 14:07.09 | fredl | okay, network interfaces are back again. *sigh* this is going to be challenging |
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| 14:07.53 | fredl | it looks like GNOME is somewhat functional..... |
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| 14:08.28 | fredl | when I hit F12 (shortcut for gnome-terminal) the terminal does start up but there appears to be no window manager running and I don't see anything in the terminal |
| 14:08.39 | ekix | hmm. samba seems to be uninstallable at the moment on unstable. anybody know more about this? |
| 14:08.49 | justin | fredl: do you normally use compiz or something? |
| 14:08.55 | justin | ekix: check the BTS? |
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| 14:09.10 | ekix | justin, will do that :) thanks :) |
| 14:09.15 | fredl | justin - don't think that I do... lemme check the .xsession-errors |
| 14:10.05 | sepult | when using zgv and switching the resolution say to 800x600 all my |
| 14:10.05 | sepult | tty's and even X get black, i can't see anything, what could be wrong ? |
| 14:10.23 | fredl | how strange, nothing really out of the ordinary in .xsession-errors either |
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| 14:10.32 | sepult | the framebuffer device is present, the module is loaded |
| 14:10.48 | justin | sepult: why are you trying to use zgv? |
| 14:11.01 | fredl | justin - the 'problem' already starts with gdm BTW, so I don't think it's a compiz thing by accident. |
| 14:11.17 | fredl | oh in this install I didn't even bother trying to install compix |
| 14:11.19 | sepult | justin: to have a look into my porn collection! |
| 14:11.24 | sepult | lol |
| 14:11.30 | justin | sepult: but you said you are running X |
| 14:11.36 | sepult | yes |
| 14:11.41 | sepult | and it initially works |
| 14:11.43 | justin | so use an image viewer for X |
| 14:11.47 | justin | not zgv |
| 14:11.52 | sepult | xzgv is working too |
| 14:11.57 | justin | ok, use that then |
| 14:12.55 | sepult | justin: but the same happens when i use zgv from the tty's not in X |
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| 14:13.01 | justin | sigh |
| 14:13.05 | justin | stop trying to use zgv |
| 14:13.16 | justin | svgalib was a hack 10 years ago |
| 14:13.27 | sepult | justin: ok ok |
| 14:13.29 | fredl | justin - any other idea where to look? |
| 14:13.49 | justin | fredl: I would just use kvm, your processor likely supports it |
| 14:13.50 | sepult | justin: i even adjusted the libvga.config |
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| 14:14.16 | fredl | you think kvm is better than Xen? |
| 14:14.31 | justin | you don't seem to be having much luck with xen so far |
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| 14:14.49 | fredl | justin - nothing more than trial and terror :) |
| 14:15.00 | xeon-enouf | fredl: does your CPU have svm or vmx flags? |
| 14:15.08 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 14:15.16 | xeon-enouf | then go for it |
| 14:15.39 | fredl | go for kvm? |
| 14:15.57 | xeon-enouf | but it's likely you want to recompile your xen kernel+initrd with your NIC r8168 ? |
| 14:16.13 | xeon-enouf | either/or - try 'em both ;-) |
| 14:16.21 | xeon-enouf | !kvm |
| 14:16.21 | dpkg | somebody said kvm was kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 14:16.35 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I'll just make a new initrd image for the Xen kernel with the r8168 driver in it. |
| 14:16.43 | fredl | that shouldn't be too hard I guess |
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| 14:17.52 | xeon-enouf | hrm, sounds reasonable, however i have yet to mess with any virtualization (not enough ram :-D) |
| 14:18.20 | fredl | well it's one of the most important reasons I bought this new system |
| 14:18.35 | fredl | but I also don't have much experience with it as you can probably tell :) |
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| 14:19.40 | fredl | lessee if this dpkg-reconfigure worked as intelligently as it did on the stock kernel... |
| 14:19.42 | xeon-enouf | but that's b/c i'm cheap, and i like using old calculators, heh; not because i can't afford it - someone needs to guage the bloat level and report about it :-P |
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| 14:20.29 | fredl | okay, that worked, I now have my network interfaces after a reboot. |
| 14:20.41 | fredl | still having issues with gdm though. |
| 14:20.45 | xeon-enouf | shakes his can at Nyle/ajavid/stoned |
| 14:20.46 | fredl | well gdm... X |
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| 14:21.01 | abrotman | look at xeon-enouf .. all proud he's hit the PIII era :) |
| 14:21.04 | xeon-enouf | fredl: fglrx? |
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| 14:21.58 | moty66 | is there anybody own dell PowerEdge wid? |
| 14:22.14 | fredl | yeah the ATI driver |
| 14:22.14 | moty66 | is there anybody own dell PowerEdge with debian ? |
| 14:22.26 | fredl | since the stock radeon driver messes up my monitor. |
| 14:22.44 | xeon-enouf | p4! |
| 14:22.48 | fredl | people on #xen aren't very helpfull either. |
| 14:23.09 | fredl | p4? |
| 14:23.15 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. is this a poweredge? |
| 14:23.35 | xeon-enouf | fredl: that was directed at .. they know who ;-) |
| 14:23.41 | fredl | oh.. |
| 14:23.43 | fredl | ok.. |
| 14:23.45 | fredl | :) |
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| 14:24.20 | xeon-enouf | nope, it's a Dell precision, not poweredge |
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| 14:25.24 | abrotman | moty66: just ask your real question |
| 14:25.27 | fredl | abrotman, you know lots of things. Help me! |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | fredl: i only know about the things i know about |
| 14:25.41 | xeon-enouf | fredl: don't use fglrx? |
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| 14:25.58 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yeah well I would like to have X running thank you very much :) |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | fredl: i have no idea if fglrx works with xen kernels, but i bet #ati might know |
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| 14:26.45 | xeon-enouf | fredl: laod up vesa for now? |
| 14:26.46 | moty66 | abrotman: I want to buy this used server ( http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360190601461&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT ), and I wanted to know if it is hard to setup a development environment on it |
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| 14:27.01 | boxxertrumps | http://pastebin.org/19301 i've been having trouble with mounting this hfs+ partition, i think the disk might fail soon |
| 14:27.12 | xeon-enouf | fredl: do any radeon{hd} work for your VGA chip? |
| 14:27.32 | abrotman | moty66: i have no idea about the specific hardware in it, but it seems at least a couple of years old .. i would think you could install debian on it |
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| 14:27.36 | boxxertrumps | but i'm not really sure what these messages mean for me |
| 14:27.44 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: your dead boss' father's HDD!? |
| 14:27.53 | hmage | does debian make pizza pepperoni? |
| 14:27.54 | fredl | xeon-enouf, well I haven't looked into the issue very much yet but stock setting send my monitor out of range. |
| 14:27.59 | boxxertrumps | xeon-enouf: yes. |
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| 14:28.13 | boxxertrumps | my boss's dead father, actually |
| 14:28.24 | xeon-enouf | fredl: then define Vert/Hor freq ranges in your xorg.conf |
| 14:28.24 | fredl | xeon-enouf, so I'm guessing the radoen driver doesn't recognize my card. |
| 14:28.44 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: he used it on a mac ? |
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| 14:28.49 | fredl | (I have a Radeon HD 4350) |
| 14:28.52 | boxxertrumps | abrotman: yes |
| 14:29.01 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: oh .. got that a bit backwards :-p |
| 14:29.07 | moty66 | abrotman: thank you |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | boxxertrumps: i'd probably try another mac if you have it handy .. but the drive does seem unhappy |
| 14:29.28 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: still, you used one two many 's' is boss' :-) |
| 14:29.39 | xeon-enouf | s/is/in |
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| 14:30.02 | fredl | xeon-enouf, well damn if a driver can't even properly read my monitor's timings, how am I supposed to believe that it would work better with Xen than the ATI driver? |
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| 14:30.39 | fredl | abrotman - nice try but #ati is dead :-) |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | !piav |
| 14:30.48 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 14:30.49 | petemc | fredl: there are issues with using xen kernels and trying to use various kernel modules - check if thats your issue before making any assumptions |
| 14:31.08 | boxxertrumps | i wish we had another mac, wouldn't have to waste so much time |
| 14:31.12 | fredl | petemc, where can I find those issues? |
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| 14:31.18 | petemc | internet |
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| 14:31.31 | petemc | maybe if you had some way to search |
| 14:31.38 | petemc | and engine, of some sort |
| 14:31.39 | fredl | ah :P |
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| 14:31.48 | doublehp | I just made a big mistake: "tune2fs -l /dev/md7 >/dev/md7" is this possible to fix without reformat ? |
| 14:31.49 | fredl | yeah yeah enough rubbing it in already. |
| 14:31.51 | AALinux | Hello, What's the command to know if i'm using vim tiny or not?ap-cache status vim doesn't work. |
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| 14:32.06 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: have you ever successfully mounted it? |
| 14:32.14 | petemc | AALinux: readlink -f $(which vim) ? |
| 14:32.26 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: start thginking about gddrescue, etc and other possible recovery tools |
| 14:32.28 | justin | doublehp: probably, did you try fsck? |
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| 14:32.59 | doublehp | justin: md7 is my / and it's live ATM ... fsck is likely to refuse to work on mounted partition ... |
| 14:33.15 | justin | doublehp: oh hmm.. well, I wouldn't unmount it just yet then :) |
| 14:33.25 | doublehp | justin: so ? |
| 14:33.32 | xeon-enouf | doublehp: do you have backups? |
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| 14:33.49 | doublehp | xeon-enouf: question included "without reformat" |
| 14:33.50 | justin | doublehp: not sure how to fix that, but tune2fs -l only outputs about 1K, so you wouldn't have lost much |
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| 14:34.10 | xeon-enouf | doublehp: i once did "cfdisk > /dev/hda" .. ouch :-P .. but i had backed up my partition table / MBR prior ;-) |
| 14:34.12 | doublehp | justin: 1.7k |
| 14:34.27 | justin | doublehp: yeah, on one my my systems most of that is all 0's anyway |
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| 14:35.03 | xeon-enouf | doublehp: you could try a /msg dpkg forcefsck - but caveat emptor ;-) |
| 14:35.25 | doublehp | justin: same command a second time said: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/md7 Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 14:35.32 | webPragmatist | how do I use the bot heh... need to read the thing on upgrade to lenny again |
| 14:35.41 | doublehp | justin: and all new files created have zero size |
| 14:35.42 | webPragmatist | oh nm |
| 14:35.51 | fredl | well at least my Xen/fglrx issue was a known issue in April 2008 according to markmail. |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | !tell webPragmatist about etch->lenny |
| 14:35.58 | xeon-enouf | !tell webPragmatist -about msgthebot |
| 14:36.10 | fredl | lovely. |
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| 14:37.02 | AALinux | Is there any command like apt-cache status? |
| 14:37.13 | xeon-enouf | grep-status? |
| 14:37.21 | fredl | bluh.... |
| 14:37.22 | justin | doublehp: fsck with the -b option may fix that kind of thing |
| 14:37.31 | xeon-enouf | install grep-dctrl and dctrl-tools AALinux |
| 14:37.31 | stew | AALinux: to do what? |
| 14:37.38 | webPragmatist | when you apt-get update does it overwrite everything? |
| 14:37.40 | xeon-enouf | yeah - what's the goal? |
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| 14:37.55 | AALinux | stew: To know about vim. |
| 14:37.56 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: it updates your local cache |
| 14:37.56 | webPragmatist | I just accidently updated with lenny... need to make sure my packages are up to date first |
| 14:37.59 | fredl | somebody needs to define a new concept in the computer world... de serverdesktop. |
| 14:38.04 | fredl | the even. |
| 14:38.15 | stew | AALinux: there is aptitude show vim, or dpkg -s vim |
| 14:38.22 | webPragmatist | webPragmatist: how can I delete the local cache |
| 14:38.25 | xeon-enouf | apt-cache policy vim ? |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | or dpkg -l vim* ? |
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| 14:38.41 | stew | AALinux: what do you want to know about vim? |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | well .. dpkg -l "vim*" |
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| 14:39.13 | AALinux | stew: Am i using vim tiny or not? |
| 14:39.14 | boxxertrumps | enouf, yeah, i should make a copy of the disk while i still have time |
| 14:39.16 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: careful, but i think you might need to remove /var/cache/apt/archives, but .. wait, do not do that |
| 14:39.41 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: whatever you do, make backups, or cp -a somewhere prior to any rm |
| 14:40.05 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: wait, that's not correct - wrong dir/ and files |
| 14:40.39 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: well looks like all etch stuff there |
| 14:40.43 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin <-- but you might need to also do other things |
| 14:41.20 | doublehp | justin: i dont have that opion |
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| 14:41.23 | DelphiWorld | hell |
| 14:41.25 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: should i try just to drop the apt dir under /cacche? |
| 14:41.25 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 14:41.28 | justin | doublehp: why not? |
| 14:41.32 | DelphiWorld | i have trouble connecting to my PPTP server |
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| 14:41.38 | xeon-enouf | depending if any deb-src lines were used; srcpkgcache.bin also - but then there's the /lists/ file/dir |
| 14:41.43 | DelphiWorld | i do pon + my tunnel name |
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| 14:41.57 | DelphiWorld | is connected but no ip address or interface in ifconfig |
| 14:42.37 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: heh there's a commnad... |
| 14:42.53 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: clear :) |
| 14:42.56 | doublehp | justin: ah no, it's taking an argument, i dont know what to pass |
| 14:43.03 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: /var/lib/apt/lists should have the improper repos removed, also edit sources.list accordingly |
| 14:43.18 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: iptables |
| 14:43.18 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 14:43.30 | justin | doublehp: 32768 probably |
| 14:43.34 | justin | doublehp: man fsck.ext3 |
| 14:43.46 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm having some trouble starting X It's giving me "no screens found" and "error in locking authority file". anyone got any pointers please? |
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| 14:45.42 | martianlobster | I am thinking of learning assembly / C with embedded assembly, so that I can write device drivers for Linux. Does anyone have any favorite buooks on this subject? |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | does IBM still make an asm book? |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | erm .. intel .. whatever |
| 14:46.10 | martianlobster | lol |
| 14:46.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !startX |
| 14:46.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, startx is a script that starts the X Window System, configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. See <starting gnome>, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 14:46.28 | justin | martianlobster: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+device+drivers |
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| 14:46.47 | abrotman | i doubt the book i used is still in print :) |
| 14:46.50 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: google ldd linux-plumbers |
| 14:46.55 | martianlobster | justin, ye I could do that search. I thought I would ask for recommendations first though. |
| 14:47.08 | justin | martianlobster: that was a recommendation |
| 14:47.13 | xeon-enouf | erm ldd3 IIRC |
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| 14:47.32 | abrotman | martianlobster: you'd probably do better to ask the kernel people if you want a book recommended for mixing C/ASM in kernel drivers/modules |
| 14:47.59 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: try also #kernelnewbies, if it still exists, i think on irc.OFTC.net |
| 14:48.03 | fredl | well it looks like I can forget about Xen/fglrx for now. |
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| 14:48.15 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: there's ##kernel here on freenode |
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| 14:48.23 | martianlobster | thanks guys |
| 14:48.42 | fredl | and I just heard Xen isn't being maintained all that well and that KVM is much more active *shrug* |
| 14:48.58 | doublehp | justin: thanks. seems fixed. *seems* :) |
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| 14:49.00 | fredl | so KVM it is for now I guess. |
| 14:49.03 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: here's some ASM goodness URLs http://asm.sourceforge.net/resources.html |
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| 14:49.17 | martianlobster | ok thanks |
| 14:49.19 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: there's ##c here, etc etc |
| 14:50.08 | xeon-enouf | oh look - they list books too :-P |
| 14:51.49 | martianlobster | I that is a great page on source forge |
| 14:51.54 | xeon-enouf | martianlobster: try also maybe #emdebian perhaps? |
| 14:51.58 | martianlobster | LOL, I could spend a month reading all that stuff |
| 14:52.08 | xeon-enouf | yerp ;-) |
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| 14:52.17 | martianlobster | I think the source forge assembly page should keep me busy for a while |
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| 14:53.59 | fredl | do I need to rerun grub after I change menu.lst ? |
| 14:54.54 | xeon-enouf | fredl: what did you alter? ;-) |
| 14:55.01 | fredl | I took out the Xen kernels |
| 14:55.23 | xeon-enouf | fredl: update-grub usually .. oh ok - hrm .. just uninstall them, update-grub should run on it's own |
| 14:55.46 | fredl | yup, it sure did. |
| 14:55.49 | xeon-enouf | fredl: why? i mean, you cannot stand seeing entries you don't want to boot into? :-P |
| 14:55.50 | fredl | cool. |
| 14:55.55 | xeon-enouf | oh, ok |
| 14:55.57 | fredl | yes. |
| 14:56.06 | fredl | I hate crud :) |
| 14:56.25 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i meant, without removing the actual pkgs ;-) |
| 14:56.28 | fredl | alright back to Xen-less, going to research KVM |
| 14:56.35 | martianlobster | I am using a consolee mode chat client for the first time in years. What is the command to page up to see the previous portion of the chat? |
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| 14:57.17 | hark | martianlobster: pgup? |
| 14:57.27 | martianlobster | hark: LOL thanks :) |
| 14:58.04 | hark | martianlobster: using irssi? |
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| 15:00.01 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: hrmmmm where were we because there's not apt-get clear on debian |
| 15:00.03 | webPragmatist | maybe just ubuntu? |
| 15:00.32 | hark | you mean clean |
| 15:00.39 | webPragmatist | ooh it's clean |
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| 15:01.13 | hark | and aptitude is recommended as well :) |
| 15:01.21 | webPragmatist | ya gotcha |
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| 15:02.30 | dave5 | I have a server with 2 IPs. can I configure my SSHD client that it listens under ip1:123 and ip2:22 |
| 15:02.31 | dave5 | ? |
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| 15:03.03 | joltcan | dave5: you don't want both? |
| 15:03.12 | joltcan | dave5: because it can listen to both at the same time if you want to |
| 15:03.17 | hark | dave5: yes, see man sshd_config |
| 15:03.31 | hark | dave5: /listen |
| 15:03.34 | charonp1 | ok, so I installed usplash, now the screen goes blank before going to kdm. also, I can't seem to disable usplash in /ect/default/grub |
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| 15:04.07 | martianlobster | I am a console chat noob. Is there anyway to turn on logging retroactively, so that I can save the entire set of this irc session? |
| 15:04.29 | dave5 | ah, I can specify a port with ListenAddress...thx... I thought that's not possible because there is a seperate Port - config directive |
| 15:04.42 | dave5 | and Address sounds like IP and not IP[:Port] ;-) |
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| 15:06.44 | hark | charonp1: how are you disabling it? |
| 15:06.51 | dave5 | next question :) --> how is a programm called which forwards all data from one port to another port:ip? e.g. the daemon gets data on localhost:8000 and it forwards it to 192.168.0.111:7500 --> if I search for 'port forwarding', I only find router configurations.. |
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| 15:07.36 | charonp1 | hark: by removing {quiet splash and vga=0x317} from the kernel line |
| 15:07.51 | inckie | i have a debian install, which stalls at the "select and install software" at 5% after i have chosen packages |
| 15:08.01 | inckie | is there a way i can see whats it trying to? |
| 15:08.04 | inckie | i can ping it from the itnernet |
| 15:08.09 | inckie | internet* |
| 15:08.20 | charonp1 | it still loads the usplash image |
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| 15:08.37 | hark | inckie: use a newer installer |
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| 15:08.57 | inckie | so i cannot install from an etch cd? |
| 15:09.08 | hark | !5% error |
| 15:09.08 | dpkg | from memory, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
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| 15:09.24 | charonp1 | using kernel 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 15:09.39 | charonp1 | 2.6.30-1-686 * |
| 15:09.44 | inckie | thx hark |
| 15:09.49 | LuciusMare | hello,is 1,5 gb enough to install debian? it gave me an error in half of the instalation,when unpacking apt |
| 15:09.52 | rgr | charonp1: startupmanager also found its way in. |
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| 15:10.06 | d1b | question is debian doing time based releases now or did they go back on that ? |
| 15:10.23 | stew | d1b: time based (partial?) freezes |
| 15:10.30 | d1b | stew: nar |
| 15:10.32 | stew | d1b: the releases will still be WIR |
| 15:10.38 | d1b | stew: like |
| 15:10.42 | d1b | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 15:10.47 | jelly | "when it's ready" |
| 15:10.56 | d1b | jelly: that's what i thought |
| 15:11.08 | jelly | d1b: a release can happen anywhere 6-24 months after a freeze |
| 15:11.13 | LuciusMare | hello? |
| 15:11.18 | d1b | jelly: ok. |
| 15:11.24 | d1b | LuciusMare: yes but why ? |
| 15:11.36 | d1b | the base sure. |
| 15:11.39 | LuciusMare | d1b: it gave me an error,not sure what it was for,it didnt tell me anything |
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| 15:11.52 | hark | charonp1: try running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 15:12.13 | jelly | LuciusMare: we would have to see the complete error and your current disk usage to give any meaningful advice |
| 15:12.17 | charonp1 | rgr: idk about that, i can't even boot into the system. I'm going to try chrooting and maybe aptitude will work? |
| 15:12.18 | stew | LuciusMare: that is more than 3 times as much as needed to install debian |
| 15:12.22 | LuciusMare | jellyit didnt tell me anything. |
| 15:12.35 | LuciusMare | and it used 150 MB,thats what made me wonder |
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| 15:12.46 | hark | charonp1: you can edit the grub options from the grub menu at start of boot as well |
| 15:12.51 | charonp1 | hark: will dpkg work from chroot? |
| 15:12.58 | xeon-enouf | LuciusMare: you tried installing Desktop through tasksel? |
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| 15:13.03 | jelly | you just said it gave you an error, LuciusMare? |
| 15:13.06 | DelphiWorld | i added a pptp tunnel |
| 15:13.15 | LuciusMare | jelly: yeah |
| 15:13.17 | DelphiWorld | i want it to go troug eth0 but is going troug eth1 |
| 15:13.18 | DelphiWorld | how to? |
| 15:13.22 | LuciusMare | "error while doing step "installing base system"" |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | LuciusMare: that's the complete message? |
| 15:13.36 | d1b | xeon-enouf: why do you need xeon infront of your name :) |
| 15:13.39 | charonp1 | hark: the options i put in the grub menu don't disable usplash |
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| 15:13.50 | stew | d1b: he's the server version |
| 15:13.50 | LuciusMare | jelly: yep |
| 15:13.55 | charonp1 | *remove !diable |
| 15:14.07 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: /msg dpkg 70 (wait, what do you want? is eth1 supposed to be eth0 or do you have 2 NICs ?) |
| 15:14.13 | d1b | stew: .... |
| 15:14.15 | jelly | LuciusMare: is there anything more on ctrl-alt-f2 or f3 console? |
| 15:14.22 | inckie | hark i just have to type linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true after boot: ? |
| 15:14.29 | LuciusMare | jelly: well,i didnt look |
| 15:14.36 | LuciusMare | i am installing it on this machine |
| 15:14.40 | DelphiWorld | any answer please |
| 15:14.41 | LuciusMare | instlaling on an usb stick |
| 15:14.45 | charonp1 | even recovery option boots with usplash |
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| 15:14.53 | Hideme | d |
| 15:15.00 | LuciusMare | i wonder if i can virtualize the installation...somehow |
| 15:15.34 | DelphiWorld | Hideme: showme |
| 15:15.39 | xeon-enouf | d1b: model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 1700MHz (x2) |
| 15:15.46 | d1b | xeon-enouf: bit old :) |
| 15:15.59 | xeon-enouf | d1b: it's new for me! |
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| 15:16.10 | hark | inckie: yes, tias |
| 15:16.14 | jpinx-eeepc | when I do :~sudo deborphan -Z it does not purge the pkgs listed. Any ideas? |
| 15:16.19 | d1b | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 15:16.22 | d1b | :) |
| 15:16.31 | xeon-enouf | d1b: x how many? :-P |
| 15:16.40 | d1b | xeon-enouf: many ;) |
| 15:16.51 | LuciusMare | okay,tryin once more |
| 15:16.52 | LuciusMare | brb |
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| 15:17.43 | xeon-enouf | [ 0.004000] CPU1: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available :-p |
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| 15:17.59 | d1b | xeon-enouf: M? |
| 15:18.12 | xeon-enouf | nah |
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| 15:18.40 | d1b | xeon-enouf: confused... |
| 15:18.41 | xeon-enouf | stew: you're funny :-p |
| 15:18.53 | xeon-enouf | M == Mobile ? |
| 15:19.11 | d1b | xeon-enouf: nar |
| 15:19.13 | xeon-enouf | or like that other kid, DS == Debian Santa? |
| 15:19.16 | d1b | just was ? as in confused |
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| 15:19.46 | xeon-enouf | d1b: CPU1 comes after CPU0 ;-) |
| 15:19.54 | xeon-enouf | i.e. 2x CPUs |
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| 15:21.06 | cognitiaclaeves | Anyone here use jed? I'm trying to figure out how to add a .sl file where I can access it by typing in "mode_xml". |
| 15:21.10 | d1b | xeon-enouf: i can haz 4 :) |
| 15:21.30 | xeon-enouf | !cheezburger d1b |
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| 15:24.18 | webPragmatist | http://screencast.com/t/Q2j1XWwPg4 |
| 15:24.28 | webPragmatist | are those syncookies and synack_retries set by default now? |
| 15:24.49 | webPragmatist | I'm trying to be careful with this upgrade... it seems like alot of this you can ovewrite the distribution config |
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| 15:25.10 | webPragmatist | thats /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:25.44 | charonp1 | removing it from chroot worked :) |
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| 15:27.19 | webPragmatist | are there defaults for net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1 and -net.ipv4.tcp_synack_retries = 2 |
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| 15:29.18 | charonp1 | hark: will doing dpkg-reconfigure work for bootsplash? or do i actually have to re-compile the kernel for that |
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| 15:30.18 | hark | webPragmatist: you can check it yourself in /proc/sys/ |
| 15:30.18 | sphenxes | xchat is opened on compture reboot in first workspace. However, i would like it to be opened in my last workspace #6. How can I do it in genome? |
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| 15:30.41 | hark | charonp1: no you shouldn't need to recompile your kernel |
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| 15:31.40 | hark | webPragmatist: for example, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_synack_retries |
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| 15:32.01 | emil_hemma | i just installed sun-java6-sdk in debian. it seems like it didnt set enviromental variables so it can find the correct classpath. does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:32.10 | hark | sphenxes: you can use another wm, or if you're using metacity look into devilspie |
| 15:32.16 | emil_hemma | i thought that apt-get install sun-java6-sdk should be enough |
| 15:32.17 | rpaulson | anyone know when the 2.6.31 kernel will be available in unstable or testing? |
| 15:32.42 | hark | emil_hemma: check the default using update-java-alternatives |
| 15:32.53 | lxsameer|lp | hi i newly install squeeze into my laptop , but my synaptic double click does not work , can any one help me |
| 15:33.03 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: i have 5 for the tcp_synack_retries |
| 15:33.20 | sphenxes | hark, thanks |
| 15:33.23 | xeon-enouf | hark: that'll on;ly show what's already avail from sysctl |
| 15:33.45 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: my net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 0 here |
| 15:33.47 | emil_hemma | hark, i only have suns java installed |
| 15:34.34 | hark | xeon-enouf: where are you seeing it from? |
| 15:34.41 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: I'm thinking it's already some default... I'll check it out later though |
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| 15:34.48 | xeon-enouf | hark: both sysctl and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_synack_retries |
| 15:34.58 | xeon-enouf | sysctl reads that file, IINM |
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| 15:35.22 | hark | well, isn't it the same thing then? |
| 15:35.23 | xeon-enouf | s/that/those./ |
| 15:35.30 | JordiGH | Help getting the microphone working...? |
| 15:35.42 | xeon-enouf | hark: that's my point ;-) maybe i misunderstood |
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| 15:35.46 | emil_hemma | hark, update-java-alternatives didnt help.. |
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| 15:36.15 | emil_hemma | hark, when i try to compile it doesnt find the includes so i guess i have to set some enviroment variables |
| 15:36.19 | d1b | xeon-enouf: syn cookies are yummy! |
| 15:36.30 | webPragmatist | nom nom |
| 15:37.01 | hark | emil_hemma: i see, moment |
| 15:37.02 | d1b | apt: cheeseburger |
| 15:37.02 | apt | i guess cheeseburger is good |
| 15:37.23 | xeon-enouf | hark: oh, he's looking at /etc/sysctl.conf? then if it's not commented, it's set (so long as the entry is correct) |
| 15:37.27 | ranix | !dpwtb |
| 15:37.27 | dpkg | Please, don't play with the bots. If you really *must* play with the bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 15:37.32 | webPragmatist | HOORA |
| 15:38.01 | hark | !factinfo dpwtb |
| 15:38.01 | dpkg | dpwtb -- created by ranix <n=ranix@ip72-192-15-143.ri.ri.cox.net> 2d 22h 19s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by ranix, 34s ago. |
| 15:38.40 | hark | aww, nice ;) |
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| 15:40.08 | hark | xeon-enouf: yeah, i figured he just wanted to know the default values or so |
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| 15:40.22 | c03 | hi |
| 15:40.44 | c03 | I have shared my external drive on my server (windows samba sharing) |
| 15:40.54 | c03 | but I cannot access subdirs and files |
| 15:41.05 | webPragmatist | What's uswsusp... and does it matter about userspace software suspsend? |
| 15:41.08 | webPragmatist | I get http://screencast.com/t/rvhA5zeEm1t1 |
| 15:41.09 | c03 | it simply says 'permission denied' |
| 15:41.32 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: I appreciate your help while upgrading |
| 15:41.33 | webPragmatist | btw |
| 15:41.41 | bwells | Hey guys, I am having a problem. I have installed debian lenny 5.03 on a fresh server. The server has a 3ware 9650se 8 port card. The install finds my raid controller and installs everything. When I reboot, I am met with an error saying it cannot find /dev/sdb1 and cannot mount my root system. It looks like even though the install found the card, the kernel doesn't like the 3ware card. Any help. Thanks! |
| 15:41.50 | webPragmatist | xeon-enouf: is that a hibernate of some sort? |
| 15:42.19 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: there's so many versions/types of various power managements i lost track .. |
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| 15:42.46 | webPragmatist | ya.... guess it doesn't amtter anyway heh |
| 15:42.49 | xeon-enouf | webPragmatist: but yeah, uswsusp is for suspending/hibernating - to disk or to RAM, iirc |
| 15:42.59 | d1b | ranix: ... i was only testing dpkg as xeon-enouf tried to cheeseburger me ;) |
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| 15:43.56 | heihaier | Who knows the Loongson? |
| 15:44.07 | iceroot | which openldap-version is etch using? 2.4? |
| 15:44.39 | xeon-enouf | bwells: you sure sdb1 is correct? |
| 15:45.04 | xeon-enouf | junk: versions openldap |
| 15:45.10 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 15:45.11 | bwells | it says unable to mount /dev/sdb1 /root |
| 15:45.14 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions openldap |
| 15:45.15 | judd | xeon-enouf: openldap -- |
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| 15:45.24 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: see /msg dpkg pdo |
| 15:45.37 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: or give us the name of the pkg |
| 15:45.37 | tenzind | hi, how do i specify screen resolution in xorg.conf ? |
| 15:45.51 | bwells | it looks to me like the kernel doesn't have the 3ware drivers in it, even though the install CD found it |
| 15:45.51 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: slapd |
| 15:45.52 | boxxertrumps | "dd if=/dev/hdletternumber of=/path/to/nonexistantimagefile.img"? |
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| 15:46.01 | xeon-enouf | bwells: it's looking there why? which bootloader? and what |
| 15:46.08 | xeon-enouf | s in /etc/fstab bwells |
| 15:46.28 | bwells | I selected the default install, it installed grub on the mbr |
| 15:46.31 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: in a nutshell - yeah |
| 15:46.35 | hark | ranix: certainly more refined than !botrape ;) |
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| 15:46.41 | boxxertrumps | thanks |
| 15:47.04 | xeon-enouf | bwells: : wouldn't that be perhaps /dev/sda1? |
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| 15:47.46 | xeon-enouf | boxxertrumps: if i didn't know it was 10G only, i'd say .. wait a sec there sonny! |
| 15:48.07 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: thx i have found the version etch 2.3, lenny 2.4, so i will use lenny |
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| 15:48.32 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: are you running etch though? or nothing yet installed? |
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| 15:48.44 | boxxertrumps | yeah i could see it takeing quite a while for a 1:1 copy if it was much biger |
| 15:49.28 | bwells | exact message "mount: mounting /dev/sdb1 on /root failed: no such device" |
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| 15:49.33 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: nothing yet installed. only another debian-based one :-) so i just need a vm to test slapd |
| 15:49.48 | xeon-enouf | i see |
| 15:49.50 | boxxertrumps | hehe, dolphin crashed when the new image was created |
| 15:50.00 | inckie | hark hmm my install stalls at 18% now |
| 15:50.03 | bwells | also, since this failed, /root/dev: no such directory |
| 15:50.06 | xeon-enouf | bwells: well /root isn't rootfs |
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| 15:50.19 | bwells | I am just reading the error that I am getting. |
| 15:50.20 | xeon-enouf | something is amuck |
| 15:50.27 | hark | emil_hemma: yeah, it's not set in debian by default. as per debian policy, a program should not depend on environment variables for defaults. the mainitainers prefer to fix the offending application instead |
| 15:51.13 | bwells | This server had CentOS 5.3 installed. I removed all the drives and placed new drives in it. I then installed debian on this server. |
| 15:51.22 | xeon-enouf | bwells: i'm going to guess your initrd isn't quite ready/working with proper needed modules (Disk Controller - your 3ware - and maybe even rootfs FSType module) |
| 15:51.23 | bwells | It worked perfectly with CentOS 5.3 |
| 15:51.35 | hark | inckie: what's the error? |
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| 15:51.39 | xeon-enouf | bwells: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 15:52.06 | xeon-enouf | bwells: i think certain controllers require some ... extra lovin' :-) |
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| 15:52.36 | bwells | That's just weird how the cd and dvd installs of debian had the drivers for the 3ware card, but after installation the kernel doesn't |
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| 15:52.40 | inckie | hark nothing, it just stalls, i booted, with the boot parameters from before, worked fine it came through %5 |
| 15:53.22 | Titan8990 | bwells, in debian storage controller drivers are never built in to the kernel, i relies on an initrd to have that driver so it can't mount the rootfs |
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| 15:54.13 | hark | inckie: press alt-f3 or similar, you can see why it;s stuck then |
| 15:54.19 | xeon-enouf | hrm http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=14546 .. |
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| 15:55.00 | xeon-enouf | bwells: i know, odd - try installing another kernel .. or ask in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org - see that URL above i posted? |
| 15:55.17 | bwells | Ok, I will take a look. Thanks! |
| 15:55.22 | xeon-enouf | bwells: you'd need a livecd boot ..or .. maybe /msg dpkg rescue mode .. hrm, tricky |
| 15:55.29 | emil_hemma | hark, okay. i just set the variable myself |
| 15:55.37 | Juzzy | I have a remote firewall with a sangoma t1 card that's badly outdated. Is it possible to rebuild the kernel modules for a kernel that I need to upgrade to? |
| 15:55.46 | emil_hemma | hark, im missing a package called javax though. have no idea how to install it |
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| 15:57.18 | bwells | I double checked my message. This is the last message before the initramfs prompt: No init found. Try passing init= bootarg. |
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| 16:01.09 | panos | hello |
| 16:01.11 | hark | emil_hemma: which package though? |
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| 16:01.32 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 16:01.38 | xeon-enouf | bwells: yeah, your initrd doesn't contain the needed modules - now; see this; http://www.3ware.com/kb/article.aspx?id=15012 *however* |
| 16:01.41 | LuciusMare | so i installed it,and it looks likie i i got installed well. |
| 16:01.58 | LuciusMare | *and it looks like it got installed well |
| 16:02.03 | emil_hemma | hark, i just know it imports sun.javax.* |
| 16:02.14 | xeon-enouf | that's etch - ask in the channel i mentioned, but the recompile howto seems correct to me (the steps and commands) |
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| 16:02.20 | LuciusMare | i couldnt get it to boot from that stick,so i just forced it to boot from that |
| 16:02.20 | charonp1 | hark: thanks |
| 16:02.28 | emil_hemma | hark, sry. javax.media.* it includes |
| 16:02.37 | LuciusMare | but then...well,grub loads,but not the menu,like i would run grub in terminal.any ideas? |
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| 16:03.42 | xeon-enouf | bwells: well ... that message 'No init found' might mean your initrd has no init file in it's / directory- and for initramfs/cpio initrds, it needs the init fuile there |
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| 16:04.33 | xeon-enouf | bwells: older style mkinitrd ones used linuxrc, but we're way past that era ;-) |
| 16:04.47 | LuciusMare | anyone? |
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| 16:05.15 | emil_hemma | done anyone know if it is possible to limit how much memory convert (imagemagick) allocates? |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | ulimit |
| 16:05.51 | emil_hemma | im trying to convert a bunch of jpgs to a mpg but it runs out of memory. uses about 2 gb |
| 16:06.11 | emil_hemma | abrotman, does convert crash when it reaches the limit? |
| 16:06.41 | abrotman | emil_hemma: 2GB of RAM used or 2GB written to the filesystem ? |
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| 16:06.57 | emil_hemma | abrotman, 2gb RAM used |
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| 16:07.21 | abrotman | emil_hemma: type 'ulimit' .. |
| 16:08.13 | emil_hemma | abrotman, it prints out "unlimited" |
| 16:08.23 | abrotman | emil_hemma: 32bit architecture? |
| 16:08.41 | emil_hemma | yes |
| 16:08.43 | abrotman | there may be a 2GB per process limit for 32bit architectures still |
| 16:08.59 | emil_hemma | i only have 2,5 gb memory in the server |
| 16:09.16 | hark | emil_hemma: nothing more precise? javax.media.$foo? |
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| 16:11.15 | emil_hemma | i have a lot of files named 1-*.jpg 2-*.jpg, up to about 4500-*.jpg |
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| 16:11.34 | emil_hemma | is there a way to list just the first 1000 files? |
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| 16:11.48 | emil_hemma | something like [1-1000]-*.jpg |
| 16:12.16 | LuciusMare | export x=1 |
| 16:12.16 | LuciusMare | for * in x; do |
| 16:12.16 | LuciusMare | while x<=100 |
| 16:12.16 | LuciusMare | // CONVERT |
| 16:12.16 | LuciusMare | done |
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| 16:12.20 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 16:12.47 | LuciusMare | hoddamit |
| 16:12.56 | emil_hemma | LuciusMare, :) thanks |
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| 16:13.19 | _Trinity_ | say, how much space does /root take a on desktop workstation, say if someone wants to build the odd kernel and keep a few of them around? |
| 16:13.22 | emil_hemma | LuciusMare, i just found out about seq though. think i can use that |
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| 16:13.59 | stew | in zsh it would be <1-1000>-*.jpg |
| 16:14.20 | emil_hemma | stew, i have bash |
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| 16:14.54 | themill | {1..1000} |
| 16:15.02 | et | well, type 'chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh' and you have zsh ;) |
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| 16:15.50 | stew | ahh, that works (differently) |
| 16:15.52 | emil_hemma | et, i dont have zsh installed :) |
| 16:16.00 | stew | in zsh <1-1000> is a glob pattern |
| 16:16.05 | lxsameer | how can i turn off the shell notification (the beep sound) |
| 16:16.06 | et | the {}-thing fails when there are gaps |
| 16:16.09 | stew | in bash {1..1000} seems to iterate |
| 16:16.18 | et | it expands, just like in zsh |
| 16:16.19 | stew | lxsameer: /msg dpkg bell |
| 16:16.24 | abrotman | i'm still more interested in why it stops at 2GB |
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| 16:16.44 | stew | et: in zsh it is a glob |
| 16:16.45 | emil_hemma | abrotman, it runs out of ram |
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| 16:16.55 | et | stew: {1..1000} is not |
| 16:17.01 | abrotman | emil_hemma: i don't think it is .. you said you ahve 2.5GB, and you likely also have swap |
| 16:17.04 | stew | yes |
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| 16:17.21 | emil_hemma | abrotman, i think there need to be functionality in convert for memorylimiting to work |
| 16:17.38 | emil_hemma | abrotman, my system uses the rest of the memory |
| 16:17.45 | emil_hemma | dont have swap |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 16:17.56 | whatnow | Hellooo! I'm doing stupid things! A lot of them... What would you recomment me to read first to reduce the amount of very stupid things I'm doing? ;) |
| 16:17.59 | abrotman | so check your syslog/messages to see if it's killing processes |
| 16:18.06 | heihaier | why device file of the ide hard disk is /dev/sda? |
| 16:18.11 | themill | stew: yeah, I was assuming we didn't actually want 1000 images loaded onto the one command... |
| 16:18.40 | emil_hemma | abrotman, its a openvz container |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | just getting worse and worse .. |
| 16:19.26 | whatnow | *sigh* I've been doing "diff $(find /xxx) $(find /yyy)" now for a long time, before I noticed: diff can compare directories, even with -r :/ |
| 16:19.29 | cognitiaclaeves | anyone use Jed? I can't seem to figure out how to install a new .sl file. |
| 16:19.50 | cognitiaclaeves | ( And it seems, at the present, to be a painful process ... ) |
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| 16:22.02 | emil_hemma | abrotman, im creating a 10gb swapfile now. lets see if thats enough :) |
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| 16:23.26 | LuciusMare | olol |
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| 16:25.20 | adnc | hello, i'm with debian lenny and i need a newer package of MPD, the version 0.15.3 of mpd is with debian sid, can i install these packages safely? |
| 16:25.21 | hark | emil_hemma: you can't |
| 16:25.41 | emil_hemma | hark, i just saw that. swapon doesnt work :P |
| 16:25.51 | emil_hemma | is it impossible to use swap with openvz? |
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| 16:28.10 | hark | adnc: you have to make sure no other packages in lenny gets upgraded, otherwise /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:28.57 | adnc | hark thank you for your answer, but i can i make sure no other packages gets upgraded? |
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| 16:30.00 | boxxertrumps | hmmm http://pastebin.org/19337 |
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| 16:30.03 | hark | i'm just checking the depends |
| 16:31.01 | boxxertrumps | this is unfortunate, my boss is reccommending a sector search for text |
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| 16:32.24 | adnc | hark it would be great if i could just install the newer version |
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| 16:33.17 | fas3r | i try to use Xforwading with ssh ... the sshd_config is configure; if i start xclock & that's work; but how can i start fluxbox or kde or an other windows manager by ssh -X ? |
| 16:33.53 | fas3r | if i do startx & i have this error : Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server |
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| 16:34.59 | Titan8990 | so many people try X forwarding.... why not just use a protocol designed to do what your trying to do such as VNC or rdp.... and you can tunnel them through ssh |
| 16:35.49 | themill | Nothing wrong with X forwarding if you only want to run a couple of applications and not the entire desktop |
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| 16:36.07 | stew | X was designed as a networked protocol that can be tunneled through ssh |
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| 16:37.01 | Pryon | Is it just me or does starting fluxbox and/or KDE remotely not make any sense at all? |
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| 16:37.19 | valdyn | Pryon: it does not make sense |
| 16:37.23 | themill | Titan8990: e.g. you can't intermix applications forwarded via vnc with your local applications because the vnc desktop would be over the top of your local apps. With X forwarding you can have them side by side. |
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| 16:38.13 | NoCode_ | Is protobuf in Debian Lenny, or called a different name in the repos? |
| 16:38.36 | _Trinity_ | hi alll |
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| 16:38.50 | Titan8990 | themill, NX have similar issues? |
| 16:39.07 | valdyn | ssh -X is also very fast in drawing |
| 16:39.14 | valdyn | ( if the network is fast enough ) |
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| 16:39.26 | themill | Titan8990: no idea. never used it, but I presume so, since it's about a remote _desktop_ rather than just remote applications. |
| 16:39.55 | stew | NoCode_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/protobuf-c.html says no, it wasn't uploaded until after lenny released |
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| 16:40.42 | _Trinity_ | on a multi-partitioning scheme, which ones really only need journaling? / because of system data and /home if one values one's documents and audio/video? |
| 16:40.50 | NoCode_ | Ah okay. |
| 16:40.54 | hark | adnc: too many dependency related issues unfortunately |
| 16:41.00 | NoCode_ | I guess I'm going to install squeeze. |
| 16:41.34 | _Trinity_ | Do /root and /tmp, /var and /usr even need journalling? |
| 16:41.35 | NoCode_ | This is a pain in the ass, or starting to be more of one -- so an upgrade to sqeeze will have to do |
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| 16:42.22 | stew | _Trinity_: if /home needs journaling, why wouldn't /root and /var ? |
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| 16:43.40 | adnc | hark what can i do |
| 16:44.18 | _Trinity_ | that's my question, but I was leaning towards that because those files are so short lived. A computer engineer friend told me the kernel doesn't need journaling |
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| 16:45.07 | valdyn | _Trinity_: what does journaling cost you? |
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| 16:45.38 | _Trinity_ | I'm running on a 400 Mhz computer so I gather it costs me a bit |
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| 16:46.00 | valdyn | _Trinity_: it doesnt |
| 16:46.00 | Titan8990 | typically you just keep journaling off smaller partitions such as /boot |
| 16:46.00 | mns_ | I've got ThinkPad T500, with Intel 5100 AGN wireless in it. This works just beautifully at the office and used to work just fine at home with an old Belkin wireless router I had. I recently got rid of the Belkin and put in a Netgear WNR2000 wireless router. At home, I keep loosing network connectivity now. The setup is the same as I had on my Belkin (WPA, not hidden, same channel, etc.) Anyone have any experience or thoughts on |
| 16:46.00 | mns_ | what to do to not loose connectivity ? |
| 16:46.03 | simonrvn | the kernel doesn't, but filesystems can do with some sometimes ;) |
| 16:46.08 | valdyn | _Trinity_: it costs a negligible amount of disk space |
| 16:46.24 | hark | adnc: don't know, it's probably going to be a pain backporting it |
| 16:46.30 | simonrvn | smartass strikes again! |
| 16:47.06 | stew | mns_: use 802.11 g instead of 802.11 n |
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| 16:47.13 | cpbills | using Debian Etch, and Postfix+TLS 2.3.8, libssl and some other SSL updates were made, and now Postfix seems to be failing to offer TLS and doesn't even seem to be accepting normal authentication... |
| 16:47.27 | adnc | hark I can not build it on the target system since it is a small geode board. do you have any suggestions? |
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| 16:47.43 | cpbills | is anyone aware of these issues in Etch, and know of any solutions, or some troubleshooting i can get out of the way? |
| 16:47.47 | fas3r | Titan8990: i want use it (xforward) because i want try :) |
| 16:47.52 | mns_ | stew, wont that limit the range ? |
| 16:48.02 | stew | mns_: i don't know. perhaps |
| 16:48.08 | Titan8990 | cpbills, sounds like you let the config files overwrite, were you prompted about it? |
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| 16:48.16 | fas3r | Titan8990: so if it's not possible i don't use it for the windwos manager |
| 16:48.17 | _Trinity_ | so all the partitions can use journaling except for the kernel |
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| 16:48.37 | mns_ | I'll give that a shot and see what happens. thanks stew. |
| 16:48.41 | BleSS | is a good idead to format using -c -c option to check read and write? or it isn't really necessary (in addition it takes a very long time) |
| 16:48.41 | Titan8990 | the kernel is not a partition |
| 16:49.00 | boxxertrumps | [13120.383664] attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 16:49.01 | boxxertrumps | [13120.383664] loop0: rw=0, want=201328184, limit=20028246 |
| 16:49.03 | stew | mns_: if you want a better option, "fix the bugs in the 802.11N code for the driver" :) |
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| 16:49.08 | _Trinity_ | I meant "/root" |
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| 16:49.27 | boxxertrumps | that, from dmesg, implies that the filesystem is larger than the partition |
| 16:49.32 | boxxertrumps | right? |
| 16:49.33 | cpbills | titan8990: the config files for Postfix? or ssl |
| 16:49.40 | Titan8990 | cpbills, any |
| 16:49.53 | Titan8990 | _Trinity_, /root != root filesystem |
| 16:49.55 | _AnywhereIs_ | is there a channel about Debian squeeze? |
| 16:50.02 | Titan8990 | _Trinity_, / == root filesystem |
| 16:50.03 | mns_ | stew, I think that its a propriety driver |
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| 16:50.20 | cpbills | titan8990: well, postfix hasn't been updated in over a year... the config file does not seem changed... i suppose SSL might have changed some things... i'll check |
| 16:50.31 | stew | mns_: what do you mean by "propriety"? |
| 16:50.33 | c03 | Can anyone help me with Samba? |
| 16:50.43 | _Trinity_ | I'm not worried about space, just processing power and with a Rage 128 video card that isn't much supported anymore so I have no accel. which passes it's job to the processor |
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| 16:50.49 | hoxu | c03, ask the real question |
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| 16:51.15 | c03 | How do I get permission to access my shared subdirs ? |
| 16:51.26 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: smbpasswd? |
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| 16:51.41 | c03 | I can access my shared dirs |
| 16:51.46 | c03 | but not the subfolders within |
| 16:52.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: check permissions. |
| 16:52.06 | mns_ | stew, I don't think source is available for it. I could be wrong. I'll have to see. I know I had to use the kernel (2.6.30) from experimental in order for the Intel 5100 to work along with some other things. but that was like 6 months ago so don't rememebr exactly. |
| 16:52.06 | c03 | I have no permission to read the files |
| 16:52.31 | stew | mns_: source is availalbe, otherwise it wouldn't be in debian |
| 16:52.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: in that case why would you ask? if you don't have permission to read those files and subdirs, what is the exact problem? |
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| 16:53.05 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: Because I do on the local system... |
| 16:53.15 | c03 | it's only when I access it remotely through the shared dirs |
| 16:53.48 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: are you an owner? so do you have root? what's a permission and owner of subdirs? |
| 16:54.02 | c03 | yes |
| 16:54.04 | c03 | I have root |
| 16:54.11 | _Trinity_ | I think I get it, hte kernel as per say the engine doesn't need jounalling but the fs that everything "sits on" does. So everything should be journalled. Do I have it? |
| 16:54.15 | c03 | I tried chmodding it to 777 |
| 16:54.23 | c03 | recursively, didn't help |
| 16:54.29 | mns_ | stew, then I'll look into it. I thought I'd actually downloaded the drivers from the Intel website but that might have been the Windows version |
| 16:54.30 | c03 | it said operation not supported |
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| 16:55.07 | c03 | the filesystem is ntfs |
| 16:55.09 | Titan8990 | sounds like its on a filesystem that doesn't understand unix partitions |
| 16:55.15 | Titan8990 | such as ntfs or fat32 |
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| 16:55.23 | c03 | aye |
| 16:55.24 | Titan8990 | err doesn't understand unix permissions |
| 16:55.24 | hoxu | c03, and don't even try to do chmod 777... recursively double-bad |
| 16:55.30 | adnc | hark do you think it will ever be backported |
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| 16:55.47 | c03 | hoxu: already tried, just said not supported =) |
| 16:56.10 | anewbie | hi there is someone here using black box for GUI |
| 16:56.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: switch fs..? |
| 16:56.22 | c03 | Not an option |
| 16:56.24 | hoxu | !tell anewbie about polls |
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| 16:56.46 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: copy files? |
| 16:57.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what's the reason you cannot browse those fs under root? |
| 16:57.02 | anewbie | hoxu, i just begin sorry |
| 16:57.12 | Titan8990 | c03, ntfs CAN rw in linux but it is very far from ideal |
| 16:57.16 | hark | adnc: not anytime soon i would say |
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| 16:57.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | ++Titan8990 and also it does loads system much. |
| 16:57.35 | anewbie | the problem is whith the xlibs dependencie i can't resolve it i try installing xlib-data and xlibs-static-dev but sstill cannot install bbconf |
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| 16:57.50 | adnc | hark do you have any suggestions I could do? |
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| 16:57.55 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: maybe I could. though it's still through samba though |
| 16:58.25 | Titan8990 | i don't use samba but I was under the impression that filesystem perms didn't apply |
| 16:58.32 | hark | adnc: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mpd |
| 16:58.33 | Titan8990 | maybe you will want to check out smb.conf |
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| 16:58.51 | _Trinity_ | I'm reading that Debian needs up to 18 G on /var for CD/DVD burning. Is this true if a burner has write protection? |
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| 16:59.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | 0_o |
| 16:59.22 | c03 | I just want to share a ntfs disk from my linux box |
| 16:59.29 | hark | adnc: see http://www.mail-archive.com/voyage-linux@list.voyage.hk/msg03235.html , but i don't think it will work |
| 16:59.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | 18 GB? o_0 whadda |
| 16:59.36 | patrikf | _Trinity_: no. |
| 16:59.40 | c03 | windows boxes and linux boxes must be able to read and write files |
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| 16:59.47 | adnc | hark I'm using voyage |
| 16:59.48 | hoxu | _Trinity_, that sounds insane, what is the source? |
| 16:59.49 | c03 | is there any other way? |
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| 17:00.10 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: i'd recommend you not to practice writing @ ntfs systems. |
| 17:00.15 | _Trinity_ | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 17:00.16 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: from my own experience. |
| 17:00.32 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: still, not an option =) |
| 17:00.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: read-yes. but i don't advice you write there. |
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| 17:00.47 | _AnywhereIs_ | i cracked one of mine some time ago |
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| 17:01.15 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what's the current problem? can you access files under root? |
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| 17:01.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: i mean root user |
| 17:01.28 | hark | adnc: there is a backport there, but what about the dependencies :) |
| 17:01.31 | hark | adnc: later |
| 17:01.33 | _Trinity_ | hoxu: how large is your/tmp ? |
| 17:01.40 | hoxu | _Trinity_, well... it says 1-18 GiB, but that 18 is way too much anyway... I'd love to hear the explanation |
| 17:01.48 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: yes |
| 17:02.13 | adnc | hark: thank you, ohh I understand, there is a backport but the dependencies are not ported? can you point me to that package? |
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| 17:02.15 | hoxu | _Trinity_, my /tmp here is on the same partition as / |
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| 17:02.44 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: But I cannot write |
| 17:03.00 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: check if files are write-protected from ntfs side. |
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| 17:03.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: for my two HDDs where i had windows some time ago i seen permissions 0777 when i mounted them. |
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| 17:03.38 | hark | adnc: it's in the earlier link |
| 17:03.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: and all files were accessible |
| 17:03.48 | _Trinity_ | hoxu: I think the explanaton be along the lines that the cdom might want to read the CD before ripping it |
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| 17:04.03 | adnc | hark, i'm just reading that mailing list archive. maybe there is a solution |
| 17:04.04 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: maybe a problem with partition table? maybe ntfs on that volume is broken? or hdd? |
| 17:04.10 | adnc | hark, thank you again! |
| 17:04.13 | _Trinity_ | hoxu: I've read also 10 G in other sites |
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| 17:04.38 | hoxu | karsten, where did you pull that "18 GiB" from on http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html ? |
| 17:04.53 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I can read the files. but I can't write to disk, apparently.. I'm sure it's not broken. I just used it on my ubuntu box |
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| 17:05.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | _Trinity_ i don't have neither 10 nor 18 G there.... weird i still can write DVD... am i cheated somewhere? |
| 17:05.22 | _Trinity_ | hoxu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1094767.html mentions 8.5 G on /tmp for DVD ripping |
| 17:05.26 | cpbills | is anyone aware of any issues with Etch and Posfix + SSL ? |
| 17:05.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what's the command you mount it with? |
| 17:05.31 | hoxu | _Trinity_, are you installing on a server? Why do you need to split stuff across various partitions instead of eg. having just / and /home separate? |
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| 17:05.38 | _Trinity_ | _AnywhereIs_: that's what I'm wondering |
| 17:05.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, or your fstab |
| 17:05.47 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/zeppelin |
| 17:06.02 | patrikf | _Trinity_: it says ripping, not burning |
| 17:06.05 | c03 | fstab? |
| 17:06.14 | _Trinity_ | hoxu: I just want a clean install that doesn't frag easily |
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| 17:06.22 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: you mount it that way always? |
| 17:06.26 | _Trinity_ | ah |
| 17:06.34 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: and you did the same on ubuntu? |
| 17:06.53 | _Trinity_ | patrikf: missed that |
| 17:07.01 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I dunno, ubuntu mounts it automatically =) |
| 17:07.06 | cpbills | is it normal for libssl0.9.8 and libssl0.9.7 to co-exist on a system? |
| 17:07.11 | adnc | hark, what would happen if I use this link http://www.voyage.hk/dists/experimental/mpd/ in my souces.list and do update and install? |
| 17:07.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: check out it's fstab then |
| 17:07.21 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: and move into your debian's one. |
| 17:07.23 | Hideme | Does anyone know of some SATA NAS (20TB+) units? |
| 17:07.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: /etc/fstab |
| 17:07.37 | c03 | k |
| 17:07.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: does it have that ntfs entry? |
| 17:08.09 | c03 | nope |
| 17:08.11 | _Trinity_ | patrikf: the first site mens burning though |
| 17:08.22 | patrikf | _Trinity_: that page is crap then :) |
| 17:08.25 | _Trinity_ | patrikf: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 17:08.33 | _Trinity_ | k |
| 17:08.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: i usually mounted mine as mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/SERVER -o umask=0, |
| 17:08.54 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: But the drive is currently not connected to the ubuntu box |
| 17:09.05 | c03 | okay |
| 17:09.16 | _AnywhereIs_ | remove , |
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| 17:09.23 | _Trinity_ | it also says 64 - 750 mb for / |
| 17:09.29 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: what does the -o mean and the ntfs-3g? |
| 17:09.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, that seem to work |
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| 17:09.59 | themill | karsten: ^^ they don't like your work! |
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| 17:10.12 | xsamurai | just setup lenny on dell 2950 |
| 17:10.16 | _Trinity_ | says does anyone run ext4 on ppc? |
| 17:10.22 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: ntfs-3g is the name of driver. not sure about umask. i was a newbie back then when i used that and since then i moved to other fs. |
| 17:10.23 | xsamurai | installed the broadcom firmware pkg |
| 17:10.33 | xsamurai | nic shows up but networking is not working |
| 17:10.41 | xsamurai | cant ping/connect to anything |
| 17:10.45 | xsamurai | i can ping myself though |
| 17:10.46 | _Trinity_ | is it reliable? I've tried reiserfs and xfs on ppc to desasterous results |
| 17:11.12 | _Trinity_ | my ppc hardware wouldn't even shut down properly |
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| 17:11.13 | xsamurai | anybody else have issues getting bnx2 drivers working on lenny ? |
| 17:11.14 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: hmm, can't umount, device is busy |
| 17:11.18 | alnr | starting jwm (joes window manager) on my debian system i get error "could not load the default font: -*-courier..." . `ph8 |
| 17:11.21 | alnr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: make sure nothing uses directories/files of it |
| 17:11.38 | xsamurai | c03: lsof mountpoint |
| 17:11.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03 cd from out there |
| 17:11.45 | xsamurai | ie lsof /mnt/cdrom |
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| 17:12.29 | c03 | Angie:~# lsof /media/zeppelin/ |
| 17:12.29 | c03 | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 17:12.29 | c03 | smbd 20757 root cwd DIR 8,1 8192 5 /media/zeppelin/ |
| 17:12.50 | c03 | kill samba? =) |
| 17:13.07 | _AnywhereIs_ | no leave it and unmount by hand :D |
| 17:13.29 | c03 | k =) |
| 17:14.53 | c03 | damn, didn't help |
| 17:14.55 | c03 | still busy |
| 17:15.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | lsof again? |
| 17:15.30 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: nothing |
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| 17:16.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | check if some shell is in there. |
| 17:16.31 | W3b3r_ | Hello guys |
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| 17:16.34 | wamty- | anyone know if it's "normal" for libssl0.9.8 and libssl0.9.7 to co-exist on a system? |
| 17:16.44 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: no shell in there. i'm the only one on |
| 17:17.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | ntfs is good. |
| 17:17.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | :D |
| 17:17.04 | cpbills | wamty-: ... that sounds /awfully/ familiar |
| 17:17.22 | wamty- | well i need some fuckin help here |
| 17:17.28 | wamty- | so help me out |
| 17:17.31 | wamty- | cpbills: any idea? |
| 17:17.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | giggles |
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| 17:17.53 | cpbills | wamty-: i have no idea... i'm trying to figure out why postfix is not accepting authentication... |
| 17:18.06 | W3b3r_ | I updated my Debian Squeeze, and my Amarok is now version 2. The sound of the Amarok 2 stopped working.. =/ |
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| 17:18.19 | cpbills | i /presume/ it has something to do with the latest spurt of SSL updates... |
| 17:18.35 | wamty- | cpbills: ask in #postfix |
| 17:18.36 | wamty- | ? |
| 17:18.47 | Titan8990 | cpbills, telnet localhost 25; HELO; STARTTLS |
| 17:18.50 | Titan8990 | check for errors |
| 17:19.00 | cpbills | i suppose that works... but it seems to be a debian issue, since postfix was working fine until a short while ago... |
| 17:19.02 | father0fnine | question: Where are the docs for setting up sound with testing? |
| 17:19.06 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I tried mounting with ntfs-3g, but it said "unknown filesystem" |
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| 17:19.20 | abrotman | father0fnine: what about it doesn't work ? |
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| 17:19.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: try the same with ntfs. |
| 17:19.53 | c03 | sda and sda1 doesn't exist now... |
| 17:19.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03 driver on my debian lenny was called that way. |
| 17:19.56 | stew | wamty-: it is normal on etch, 0.9.7 wasn't in lenny though |
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| 17:20.10 | cpbills | titan8990: ... that's peculiar; STARTTLS \n 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS |
| 17:20.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: you umounted drive physically? o_0 |
| 17:20.15 | _AnywhereIs_ | :D |
| 17:20.19 | c03 | yes =P |
| 17:20.22 | c03 | and turned it back on again |
| 17:20.24 | alnr | my window manager (jwm) cant find fonts other than 'fixed' (eg courier). i tried installing xfonts-base and xfs. any idea what I have to do? |
| 17:20.32 | Titan8990 | cpbills, so its possible an authentication problem only |
| 17:20.32 | father0fnine | abrotman: No sound... Did all the automatic stuff and now it's time to troubleshoot... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: not such file or directory |
| 17:20.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: perhaps you didn't mean to do those things on working machine ;) |
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| 17:21.03 | abrotman | father0fnine: as root or a regular user? |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 17:21.05 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 17:21.16 | father0fnine | abrotman: Umm... regular |
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| 17:21.22 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: probably not =) |
| 17:21.30 | Titan8990 | abrotman, hes probably talking about alsaconf being depricated and removed |
| 17:21.40 | Titan8990 | these days we have to count on it magically working |
| 17:21.55 | c03 | meh, I'm getting frustrated... I can't be this hard to share files between platforms... |
| 17:22.00 | NoCode_ | Anyone else having problems with MSN in empathy? |
| 17:22.10 | cpbills | titan8990: either it's failing to look up information via postgres, or some other issue is happening with auth... |
| 17:22.28 | Titan8990 | c03, smb isn't the only way to share files... there is sftp, ftp, http, and more |
| 17:22.33 | Titan8990 | c03, all cross-platform |
| 17:22.33 | cpbills | titan8990: "postfix/smtpd[22657]: warning: []: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure" ... and when i try using thunderbird w/ tls, it reports the server doesn't offer TLS... |
| 17:22.36 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: no it cant. what's your debian version? |
| 17:23.02 | c03 | Titan8990: I want to stream my mp3 files and movies instantly, without copying them over |
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| 17:23.20 | Titan8990 | cpbills, have you done a packet capture yet to see EXACTLY where its failing and what the server is replying with? |
| 17:23.31 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: 5 I think |
| 17:23.38 | Titan8990 | c03, you could do that with something like VLC |
| 17:24.24 | c03 | and I don't want to force a specific player onto people using the system =) |
| 17:24.26 | cpbills | titan8990: not yet, i suppose that could be my next step... |
| 17:24.32 | toor | window 30 |
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| 17:24.45 | c03 | or I could install windows server and right click and select "Share this folder" .... |
| 17:24.59 | c03 | but that I also don't wanna do |
| 17:25.00 | babilen | is bugs.debian.org slow for somebody else? |
| 17:25.05 | father0fnine | ok, what would the oss modules be? |
| 17:25.08 | Titan8990 | cpbills, packet analyzing is typically one of my first steps to troubleshooting client/server related issues |
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| 17:25.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | babilen, no it isn't for me |
| 17:26.07 | babilen | _AnywhereIs_: hmm, i wonder what is causing it for me then. it takes ages to open bug reports |
| 17:26.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: i can't get why can't you read files if they are reabalbe under root. |
| 17:26.26 | _AnywhereIs_ | babilen, local problem? |
| 17:26.40 | cpbills | titan8990: i usually start with the logs... but... you know... one of the problems i'm having, with diagnosing, is i'm going through a PIX that my netadmin refuses to configure properly, the problem extends to people not going through it though |
| 17:26.41 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: me neither... |
| 17:26.43 | _AnywhereIs_ | babilen, ddos on the mainline routers? :) |
| 17:26.55 | adnc | what do I have to add to souces.list if i wanted to install a package from this site http://www.voyage.hk/dists/experimental/mpd/ ? |
| 17:27.11 | Titan8990 | cpbills, i thought PIXs had been EOL and EOS for years |
| 17:27.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what is the permissions on the folder you are trying to get shared? |
| 17:27.38 | c03 | 777 =) |
| 17:27.42 | Titan8990 | cpbills, completely replaced by ASAs |
| 17:28.09 | babilen | adnc: why don't you just install mpd from the Debian repos? |
| 17:28.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what is your smb.conf? |
| 17:28.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: pastebin it please |
| 17:28.25 | adnc | babilen: because it is an old version that debian lennys repos have |
| 17:28.26 | c03 | i'll pastebin. 2sec |
| 17:28.41 | adnc | babilen: and i would need 0.15 |
| 17:29.02 | babilen | adnc: i would first try backports, then debian-multimedia and then probably compile the sotware myself and install it in /usr/local |
| 17:29.16 | _AnywhereIs_ | backports++ |
| 17:29.16 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: http://c03.pastebin.com/m26b9a30a |
| 17:29.26 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: anything else left to default |
| 17:29.27 | alnr | when i run xfontsel, the only font family i see is 'fixed'. how do i get more fonts, eg courier? |
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| 17:29.36 | adnc | babilen: it is for an alix embedded board on which i can not compile |
| 17:29.44 | adnc | where is debian-multimedia? |
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| 17:30.15 | adnc | babilen: backports does not have mpd compiled. can you tell me how to add http://www.voyage.hk/dists/experimental/mpd/ to the sources.list? |
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| 17:30.20 | babilen | adnc: OK. I think the line might be "deb http://www.voyage.hk/dists/ experimental" play with the path if that does not work |
| 17:30.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, can you read Zeppelin folder? |
| 17:30.34 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: yes |
| 17:30.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, anything after it? same 0777 perms? |
| 17:31.16 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: that's everything |
| 17:31.22 | babilen | adnc: sorry, i just like to point out various alternatives before i help somebody switch to an unknown repository with maybe substandard packages |
| 17:31.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, meaning you have 0777 everywhere? |
| 17:31.41 | adnc | babilen: ohh thank you, i realized that |
| 17:31.59 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: oh, no! only for the "Torrents" folder and "Zeppelin" |
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| 17:32.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, ... that's the problem. perhaps permissions inside don't allow directories to be listed |
| 17:32.30 | babilen | adnc: there are lot's of user with problems and once they show the sources.list it contains >=20 repositories. and there is often not much to do then ;-) |
| 17:32.51 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I tried chmodding =) it worked for the folders |
| 17:32.56 | AALinux | Can't open .pdf files in firefox.Installed adobereader in /home/user manually doing ./adobrea.....bin |
| 17:33.00 | babilen | s/lot's/lots o_O |
| 17:33.11 | adnc | babilen: I understand, i have spoken to others aswell here. it seems that there is no other way. i also wanted to avoid using sid repositories |
| 17:33.44 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: though it's still write protected and users don't have permission to read files |
| 17:33.48 | babilen | adnc: alright. i just joined so i have missed the context. I hope it works for you without problems |
| 17:33.51 | adnc | babilen: i've voyage linux which is a stripped down lenny debian for pcengines alix boards and unfortunately i need the mpd package |
| 17:33.53 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: only enumerate directories |
| 17:34.07 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: directories are listable? |
| 17:34.14 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: exactly |
| 17:34.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: check files perms then. |
| 17:34.17 | abrotman | AALinux: you mean iceweasel? |
| 17:34.37 | babilen | adnc: be happy that you *can* resort to the debian packages provided by voyage.hk after checking various alternatives |
| 17:34.41 | c03 | Angie:/media/zeppelin/Source/C Source# chmod 777 sizeof.c |
| 17:34.42 | c03 | chmod: changing permissions of `sizeof.c': Operation not supported |
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| 17:34.59 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: operation not supported... |
| 17:35.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: what's current permission? |
| 17:35.01 | abrotman | c03: what filesystem is on that thing ? |
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| 17:35.08 | Titan8990 | _AnywhereIs_, you can't change unix perms on a ntfs filesystem.... they don't exist |
| 17:35.08 | adnc | babilen: well untill know i still do get the 0.13 version although apt-cache policy shows me 0.15 |
| 17:35.10 | c03 | abrotman: ntfs |
| 17:35.17 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I dunno how to check |
| 17:35.25 | lindenle | Hi all how do i get an intel mobile GM965 to have direct rendering? |
| 17:35.28 | abrotman | just guessing that ntfs doesn't really have a notion of 777 |
| 17:35.30 | AALinux | abrotman: No,Firefox. |
| 17:35.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | Titan8990, weird thing is... how are they _not_ 0777 |
| 17:35.46 | abrotman | AALinux: Debian has iceweasel .. iceweasel knows how to open PDFs |
| 17:35.48 | AALinux | abrotman: I installed adobe in /home/user |
| 17:35.51 | _AnywhereIs_ | Titan8990, when i had them mounted time ago i had all 0777 |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | AALinux: aptitude install iceweasel evince .. use iceweasel .. open PDFs |
| 17:36.03 | AALinux | abrotman: Firefox also knows. |
| 17:36.08 | abrotman | apparently not .. |
| 17:36.12 | cpbills | titan8990: yeah, we're not a very big shop... so... we've still got some crappy network gear... |
| 17:36.16 | AALinux | abrotman: How can i change the path? |
| 17:36.19 | emil_hemma | in top, dos virtmem mean total memory used? |
| 17:36.27 | adnc | babilen: no unfortunately it doesnt show mpd 0.15, it still shows the old one |
| 17:36.28 | abrotman | AALinux: i don't use Firefox on Debian .. not a clue |
| 17:36.30 | valdyn | emil_hemma: no |
| 17:36.44 | Titan8990 | _AnywhereIs_, i just mounted one and its 777 perms |
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| 17:37.06 | AALinux | abrotman: Can you tell the path for pdf reader for iceweasel? |
| 17:37.07 | abrotman | AALinux: i'm telling you that i installed iceweasel and evince, and when i click on PDFs, evince is launched |
| 17:37.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: sure it isn't broken? |
| 17:37.15 | emil_hemma | shr does mean real ram and virt means swap? |
| 17:37.24 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: heh, yes! =) certain! |
| 17:37.28 | Titan8990 | cpbills, a PIX is not that bad.... I just upgraded some switches at my current job from 10m ethernet to 10/100 when i got here a few months ago |
| 17:37.31 | valdyn | emil_hemma: just stop asking like that, you wont guess the right answer |
| 17:37.36 | c03 | It works beautifully on ubuntu |
| 17:37.45 | themill | AALinux: debian-mulitmedia.org has an acroread package that is nicely integrated to the rest of the system btw |
| 17:37.56 | cpbills | titan8990: yeah, but it has a weird bug where it mangles the SMTP welcome banner/etc |
| 17:37.57 | emil_hemma | valdyn, can you tell me the right answer? |
| 17:38.02 | c03 | just made an encrypted file on it with truecrypt, listened to some mp3's, it works! =) |
| 17:38.12 | c03 | but not on debian |
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| 17:38.35 | c03 | and from what I know of, they should be somewhat the same? =P |
| 17:39.04 | c03 | only ubuntu is more newbie friendly, so windows prisoners like myself have a chance to use the environment |
| 17:39.23 | valdyn | emil_hemma: shr is memory shared with 0-x applications, res is directly used by the app, virt can be backed by swap or ram or nothing at all |
| 17:39.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, i was windows prisoner as i thought. |
| 17:39.37 | AALinux | themill: Problem is i installed manually doing ./adob.bin in /home/user |
| 17:40.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, what about perms on ubuntu? |
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| 17:40.07 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, what does it tell? |
| 17:40.39 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: dunno, well, I have another ntfs disk I can mount on the ubuntu system here and compare? |
| 17:40.43 | themill | AALinux: yes I know. And both abrotman and I have told you how to do it differently so that it works. |
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| 17:41.30 | cpbills | titan8990: found in the logs: 'postfix/smtpd[22629]: warning: TLS library problem: 22629:error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_srvr.c:562:' |
| 17:41.32 | emil_hemma | valdyn, i have a app that uses 8913m 3.4g 1.6g in virt, res and shr. total is the sum of them all? |
| 17:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | AALinux, well, don't... use Debian packages whenever they are available... themill told you about debian multimedia... "/msg dpkg debian-multimedia" for the factoid |
| 17:41.34 | lindenle | actually i think it is using DRi and it is just the KDE update that is super.... slow |
| 17:41.45 | valdyn | emil_hemma: no |
| 17:42.12 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: now how do I compare??? how do I check how ubuntu mounted the system? |
| 17:42.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, i used to dig into problems myself and only if i see i really can't solve it alone then i ask someone... for me personally it's interesting to solve problems myself. :) you really think you did all you could? and you give up? :) |
| 17:43.02 | abrotman | AALinux: what's wrong with iceweasel and the PDF readers already in Debian ? |
| 17:43.16 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: I know exactly what you mean, but I've been dwelling in this problem for days now, and thought it was samba's fault till now =) |
| 17:43.19 | babilen | adnc: ah... right. you are not running experimantal so that won't work |
| 17:43.34 | adnc | babilen: what can i do? |
| 17:43.50 | babilen | adnc: remove the line from sources.list and try to install the package directly with "dpkg -i <package_name>" |
| 17:43.51 | lindenle | anyone else have wierd issues in the latest KDE? |
| 17:43.55 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: and since we already have a conversation going I may have been asking some rather trivial question, for that I am sorry. If I waste your time, you must tell me |
| 17:44.16 | adnc | babilen: i did, but then i do have unresolved dependencies and the whole doesnt work |
| 17:44.20 | babilen | adnc: don't forget to run "aptitude update" immeadiately after changing you sources.list |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | emil_hemma: the only sum you can account for completely is res, the shr part is used by that app, but maybe by other apps too, the virt part is useless to count ram used |
| 17:44.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, look it still can be a samba problem... you didn't yet found out the permissions of files. ls -al tells nothing about files? it has to. |
| 17:44.52 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: or an ntfs driver problem |
| 17:44.52 | Titan8990 | cpbills, its a start, not sure about resolution |
| 17:45.08 | babilen | adnc: ok. i can't really help you with it then, because the only way to solve this is to create/find a backport of mpd |
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| 17:45.22 | lindenle | and Xorg is eating 98% of my CPU |
| 17:45.24 | cpbills | titan8990: yeah... time to dig into google, for an explanation... |
| 17:45.25 | adnc | babilen: i understand |
| 17:45.41 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, http://codepad.org/4s33o9Nz |
| 17:45.42 | valdyn | lindenle: constantly? |
| 17:45.45 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: oh, right... damnit ! |
| 17:45.49 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, the ones i used time ago. |
| 17:45.51 | babilen | adnc: you can still consider migrating to testing or unstable if the dependencies are present there |
| 17:45.55 | valdyn | lindenle: quit your browser running flash |
| 17:45.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, worked for me the way i shown |
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| 17:46.10 | adnc | babilen: what whould i have todo for this? |
| 17:46.18 | Titan8990 | valdyn, i had the same issues with compositing + fglrx |
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| 17:46.27 | abrotman | !tell adnc about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:46.36 | babilen | adnc: so check if the dependencies can be resolved in testing (squeeze) or unstable (sid) and migrate to the more stable of these two |
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| 17:47.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, these are versions for me: ntfsprogs: 2.0.0-1, ntfs-3g 1:1.2531-1.1 |
| 17:47.46 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: downloading and installing |
| 17:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, was apt-get behavior changed lately? When I had to mix in some testing packages, apt-get just reported broken dependencies, but aptitude could install the things (and actually without pulling in anything fatal) |
| 17:47.51 | adnc | babilen: so still i use the mpd package from voyage experimental and change the sources.list from lenny to squeeze and try it then? |
| 17:48.01 | ltrager | im trying to create an init script which asks the user a few questions if it detects a problem but read refuses to work |
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| 17:48.11 | ltrager | its as if someone is holding down the enter key |
| 17:48.14 | valdyn | Titan8990: wiggling the window frame ( resizing ) does it easily |
| 17:48.23 | ltrager | how can I make read work in an init script |
| 17:48.24 | babilen | adnc: which architecture do you run? |
| 17:48.27 | valdyn | Titan8990: and theres millions of other ways |
| 17:48.27 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: device still busy though, can't umount =) |
| 17:48.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: do it the way you did last time :) |
| 17:48.48 | c03 | I don't think it worked |
| 17:48.49 | c03 | =D |
| 17:48.53 | adnc | babilen: it is an x86 architecture. an alix board from pcengines which has a amd geode |
| 17:49.34 | babilen | adnc: ah. than i have good news for you: mpd | 0.15.1-1 | testing | ... i386 ... |
| 17:49.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, make sure you don't have any shell inside /mnt/Zeppelin or where it is |
| 17:49.47 | babilen | adnc: mpd 0.15 is available in testing |
| 17:49.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, maybe a screen session |
| 17:49.53 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, etc |
| 17:50.03 | adnc | babilen: cool, does it mean i just add squeeze into my souces.list? |
| 17:50.29 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: maybe =) |
| 17:50.35 | babilen | adnc: are you sure that you need mpd 0.15 that badly that it is reasonable to migrate to testing? is there another way/software which you could use? |
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| 17:51.14 | babilen | adnc: i will not have the time to talk you through the migration now - sorry. |
| 17:51.24 | babilen | adnc: how long was the system in use? |
| 17:51.31 | AALinux1 | abrotman: Could not launch Adobe Reader 9.1.2. Please make sure it exists in PATH variable in the environment. If the problem persists, please reinstall the application. This is the message i got. |
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| 17:51.57 | adnc | babilen: unfortunately i couldn't find anything else and mpd works really fine. http://www.mail-archive.com/voyage-linux@list.voyage.hk/msg03282.html here is a talk about migrating |
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| 17:52.11 | adnc | babilen: thank you. it works now for a week very well |
| 17:53.39 | themill | AALinux1: Given that you're going ignore every suggestion we make I don't know why I'm bothering to ask this... but have you even installed Adobe Reader yet or is the .bin file you downloaded from the adobe site just sitting there waiting for you to install it still? |
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| 17:55.11 | AALinux1 | themill: I'm not ignoring. |
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| 17:55.21 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: nothing from lsof |
| 17:55.35 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, i have no idea i said... |
| 17:55.40 | AALinux1 | themill: Installed it. |
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| 17:55.42 | abrotman | AALinux1: i told you to install iceweasel and evince/kpdf/xpdf .. |
| 17:55.47 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: oh okay... |
| 17:55.54 | AALinux1 | themill: Can run .pdf from hard disk. |
| 17:56.13 | AALinux1 | themill: But if i do this http://www.engin.umd.umich.edu/contest/Sample_Problem_1.pdf |
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| 17:56.30 | themill | AALinux1: so where did you install it to? Does /usr/bin/acroread now exist? |
| 17:56.45 | valdyn | AALinux1: i think you need mozplugger |
| 17:56.55 | babilen | adnc: i asked because i wanted to know how much work you put in the system. It might be easier for you to just do a reinstall of that system using a recent squeeze netinst CD |
| 17:56.56 | AALinux1 | themill: In /home/user |
| 17:56.59 | ltrager | how do I make an init script interactive? |
| 17:57.03 | AALinux1 | themill: Home directory |
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| 17:57.24 | themill | AALinux1: so what's the exact path to "acroread" (not the .bin you downloaded) |
| 17:57.26 | AALinux1 | themill: Nothing in /usr/bin i think.Should i ln -s |
| 17:58.07 | stew | AALinux1: is there a reason to use the adobe reader instead of one of the free pdf readers in debian? |
| 17:58.11 | AALinux1 | themill: /home/user/Adobe/Reader9/bin |
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| 17:58.39 | AALinux1 | stew: Are you talking about evince? |
| 17:59.09 | AALinux1 | stew: Here problem with reading .pdf files in firefox browser. |
| 17:59.11 | dkr | performance, unfortunately, is one reason |
| 17:59.29 | AALinux1 | stew: Not a problem with pdf reader. |
| 17:59.35 | themill | dkr: kpdf is much much faster than acroread |
| 17:59.45 | stew | AALinux1: evince is a good pdf reader, xpdf works also |
| 17:59.47 | AALinux1 | stew: How to link a pdf reader with browser. |
| 17:59.51 | abrotman | AALinux1: he's asking you why you can't use the PDF readers that Debian already provides |
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| 18:00.31 | AALinux1 | abrotman: Tell me how can i use that in browser ? What's the settings for this? |
| 18:00.38 | dkr | themill: ah, cool, I'll try it sometime, then. I had issues with evince and xpdf being very slow with some large pdfs, which is what prompted me to install acroread |
| 18:00.38 | XThief | How i can know if i have a software installed using commands? |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | AALinux1: i've told you four times .. install iceweasel and evince or kpdf |
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| 18:01.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | a question about squeeze: a netinst ISO fetched from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ [21 sep] won't work correct for me. it cannot use non-graphical install halting with "Setting UTF-8 mode console" or something like that. just stops. |
| 18:01.36 | _AnywhereIs_ | bugreport i'd say... |
| 18:01.38 | themill | dkr: I routinely play with 1000ish pp pdfs without any issues in kpdf. If pdf is all images then it groans a little. But I get very tired of acroread taking so long to start up |
| 18:01.40 | babilen | adnc: how come? |
| 18:01.44 | AALinux1 | That's not the solution of the problem i'm facing.I removed iceweasel to install firefox. |
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| 18:01.59 | _AnywhereIs_ | that image is valid, i checked md5 after fetching. |
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| 18:02.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | lenny 5.0.1 worked on same PC |
| 18:02.18 | abrotman | AALinux1: why? What's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 18:02.27 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: DOH |
| 18:02.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I've got an install of lenny, that won't start X. It's updated/graded just now. I get "no screens available". Anyone know aht's happened? |
| 18:02.43 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: found the problem =) /facepalm |
| 18:02.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, what was it |
| 18:03.01 | c03 | damnit |
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| 18:03.05 | c03 | didn't make a difference |
| 18:03.10 | c03 | okay didn't find it |
| 18:03.15 | AALinux1 | abrotman: As other users i'm used to use firefox.It is updated.Iceweasel is not updated. |
| 18:03.18 | babilen | adnc: ok, the easiest way to migrate would probably be to do a reinstall. if you don't want to do that it is essentially incorporating squeeze into sources.list and then upgrading the system |
| 18:03.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, did you remount your fs? |
| 18:03.29 | abrotman | AALinux1: it's fine to use .. it gets security patches |
| 18:03.39 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03 with ntfs-3g driver |
| 18:03.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !startx |
| 18:03.43 | dpkg | hmm... startx is a script that starts the X Window System, configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. See <starting gnome>, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 18:03.46 | AALinux1 | abrotman: Iceweasel =3.0.6 , isn't it? |
| 18:03.55 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: still trying to umount |
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| 18:04.10 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, reboot already. |
| 18:04.12 | c03 | giving up, rebooting |
| 18:04.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | :D |
| 18:04.20 | jpinx-eeepc | I've done dpkg-reconfigure x11-common - but still not working |
| 18:04.21 | abrotman | AALinux1: so what? what does FF have that you need that IW doesn't ? |
| 18:04.22 | babilen | adnc: you should start with upgrading aptitude, other essential parts and then do a full upgrade |
| 18:04.22 | c03 | my precious uptime ='( |
| 18:04.31 | babilen | stew: are you still here? |
| 18:04.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, 10 days? :) |
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| 18:04.57 | c03 | 10 days is alot when you're used to windows =D |
| 18:05.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, lol. i had 130+ days on XP. |
| 18:05.22 | babilen | adnc: have a look at the *lenny* release notes to get an idea what you should take care of |
| 18:05.36 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: And you could actually access your files and ram? =O |
| 18:05.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, all this time it was rendering some image on Apophysis. |
| 18:05.59 | babilen | adnc: but these release notes do *not* apply to squeeze, although some procedures outlined in there might still apply |
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| 18:06.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, well go on reboot |
| 18:06.38 | c03 | omw |
| 18:06.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, and remount it with ntfs-3g then |
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| 18:07.43 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is the 'xorg' package installed? |
| 18:07.56 | c03 | trying |
| 18:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yes |
| 18:08.08 | c03 | so far so good |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: what are the errors in the Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 18:08.27 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: could you paste your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:08.29 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: Incredible! I can write ! =D |
| 18:08.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, repeating: i won't recommend writing. |
| 18:08.52 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: sure - hang on |
| 18:09.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, but can you read all dirs and files? |
| 18:09.14 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: right right =P worked fine on ubuntu... should work fine here |
| 18:09.33 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: not through samba |
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| 18:09.51 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, well try it now then |
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| 18:10.30 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: can't from ubuntu, through samba, checking windows, 1sec |
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| 18:10.45 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f6a4ec26 |
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| 18:11.52 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: 1) it seems the vesa driver isn't installed 2) it has no idea what the card is .. 'lspci -nn | grep VGA' says what ? |
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| 18:12.35 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: works! |
| 18:12.38 | c03 | =D |
| 18:12.44 | c03 | linux actually works! |
| 18:12.49 | _AnywhereIs_ | lol |
| 18:12.53 | alnr | xlsfonts shows me a very paltry selection of fonts (fixed, cursor and few others). i have tried installing xfonts-base and various other xfonts-* packages. how do i get x fonts installed? eg my window manager (jwm) wont start looking for courier |
| 18:12.58 | jpinx-eeepc | abr |
| 18:13.04 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] [1106:3344] (rev 01) |
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| 18:13.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, its not linux that is not working. linux is the kernel works great for tens of years. |
| 18:13.35 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, wondering where did you get that "ntfs" driver |
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| 18:13.44 | c03 | apt-get |
| 18:13.45 | c03 | =) |
| 18:13.53 | c03 | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 18:13.56 | c03 | then some lib followed |
| 18:14.04 | c03 | and tadaa, everything works |
| 18:14.05 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: use aptitude ;) |
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| 18:14.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, no. original you used? |
| 18:14.21 | c03 | THOUGH, I still can't stream files in xmms, only vlc =/ |
| 18:14.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, "ntfs" was before |
| 18:14.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, where did you get that |
| 18:14.32 | c03 | oh |
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| 18:14.40 | c03 | That was the default, from debian |
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| 18:14.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, i suppose also easy googling for mounting NTFS on unix would help. |
| 18:14.57 | c03 | apparently ubuntu uses ntfs-3g a friend tells me |
| 18:15.03 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, and show ntfs-3g at once |
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| 18:15.47 | abrotman | judd: xorg 1106:3344 |
| 18:15.49 | judd | abrotman: In lenny, device 1106:3344 is matched by xorg drivers: 'openchrome', 'via'. |
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| 18:16.05 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: make double sure your 'xorg' package is installed |
| 18:16.07 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: what do I install for a vesa driver? |
| 18:16.40 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: should I write this to my fstab then: /dev/sda1 /media/zeppelin ntfs-3g -o umask=0 0 0 |
| 18:16.45 | c03 | ? |
| 18:17.12 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, no it writes the other way |
| 18:17.15 | _AnywhereIs_ | i believe |
| 18:17.24 | valdyn | c03: your gnome can be set to use ntfs-3g too |
| 18:17.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | or wait... yeah i think it would be right. |
| 18:17.32 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: when I do sudo aptitude install xorg it shows 0bytes to be used and dpkg -l | grep xorg gives me a list of them |
| 18:17.35 | c03 | I don't use gnome |
| 18:17.52 | c03 | I don't have X on the server |
| 18:17.59 | c03 | _AnywhereIs_: great =) |
| 18:18.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03: remove -o from out there |
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| 18:18.30 | c03 | ok, that means option, I gus |
| 18:18.32 | c03 | guess* |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is xserver-xorg-video-s3 installed ? |
| 18:18.53 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03 and i don't usually practice fstab mounting with third-party fs. |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: or xserver-xorg-video-openchrome ? |
| 18:19.09 | c03 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 |
| 18:19.13 | c03 | they recommend it here =) |
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| 18:19.34 | c03 | u really hate ntfs, don't you? =P |
| 18:19.39 | radoe | If I like to attach a patch to a bug in the BTS, do I inline the diff in my mail or add it as a mime attachement? |
| 18:19.41 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: s3 is not and I have just instaleled -vesa |
| 18:19.57 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: see .. the 'xorg' meta package should have installed all those for you |
| 18:19.58 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, "/dev/<your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0" as written there would be fine |
| 18:20.04 | chellomere | radoe, attachment |
| 18:20.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | c03, maybe |
| 18:20.18 | c03 | okay |
| 18:20.21 | radoe | chellomere: thx |
| 18:20.36 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: x is up - thanks! |
| 18:20.42 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: aptitude install "~nxserver-xorg-video*" |
| 18:20.45 | Titan8990 | c03, it is terrible |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: not sure how you did that .. but the 'xorg' metapackage should install all the required drivers |
| 18:21.15 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: it was a copied install and must have missed some drivers |
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| 18:21.44 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: on the girlfriends XP desktop, so god know what she was doing... |
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| 18:22.46 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: but XP has now died completely from it's multiple infections and malware, so she is going to *have* to use lenny now ;) |
| 18:22.59 | _AnywhereIs_ | :D |
| 18:23.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | i know who managed those malware :) |
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| 18:23.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | jpinx-eeepc i'd agree it's a wonderful trick :D |
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| 18:24.30 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: try not to be so happy about it |
| 18:24.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | why not? just don't tell who did that ;D |
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| 18:25.35 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: the only hassle I *know* will happen is the lack of a .pps application that does the fullscreen thing with music etc |
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| 18:26.30 | jpinx-eeepc | _AnywhereIs_: she did it herself and asked me to fix it. It's an on-going saga for about a year now. Infected illegal XP from the market. |
| 18:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | tbc in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:27.51 | c03 | Why can't xmms or audacity stream from a windows share? |
| 18:28.15 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: mine does :p |
| 18:28.50 | c03 | jpinx-eeepc: damn you =) |
| 18:28.52 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: ntfs-3g is not the fastest thing in the world.... |
| 18:29.06 | c03 | jpinx-eeepc: it's not speed. VLC streams fine |
| 18:29.20 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: Hmmm -- odd indeed |
| 18:29.42 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: did you try their # if they have one? |
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| 18:30.09 | c03 | #? |
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| 18:30.30 | jpinx-eeepc | c03: channel |
| 18:31.02 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.09 | c03 | oh |
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| 18:31.21 | c03 | =) thought you ment something in the app |
| 18:31.31 | c03 | nope, didn't I'll have a further look later |
| 18:31.57 | c03 | have to turn in an assignment for tomorrow |
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| 18:35.42 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know how to disable the scrollback buffer search in rxvt |
| 18:35.47 | JyZyXEL | the Meta-s |
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| 18:35.57 | JyZyXEL | cause its fucking ruining my life |
| 18:36.10 | stew | wow |
| 18:36.30 | JyZyXEL | yea dude |
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| 18:41.02 | Multiply | Is there a way to check, if oidentd is reading the "$HOME/.oidentd.conf" file? |
| 18:41.40 | gasull | Hi all. Can anybody please tell me why do I get this output in /var/log/messages when I run pon Bluetooth?: http://dpaste.com/95775/ Thanks |
| 18:41.49 | asg | Multiply: you could strace the process and see if a system call to read that file is infact called |
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| 18:42.10 | Multiply | asg, I'll try that |
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| 18:44.33 | gasull | Really? Nobody? |
| 18:44.36 | Multiply | asg: How would it look like, if it calls the file? |
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| 18:46.41 | Multiply | . |
| 18:46.46 | Multiply | Oops. |
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| 18:49.57 | clarjon1 | allo |
| 18:50.08 | clarjon1 | bit of an odd issue with s2ram and friends(pm-suspend in particular) |
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| 18:51.00 | clarjon1 | In short, s2ram -s -p -m -r -f works, but even tho all the config files in /etc/hibernate now reflect those changes, i can't get pm-suspend to work (which i think kpowersave uses to susped to ram) |
| 18:51.21 | babilen | adnc: how is it going? |
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| 18:51.49 | adnc | babilen: thank you, i've added squeeze into souces.list and just restarting the daemon after adapting the config files. i'll tell you in a minute |
| 18:51.52 | clarjon1 | So, my question is, how do i config pm-suspend to only use s2ram method? |
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| 18:52.06 | babilen | adnc: take your time :-D |
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| 18:53.24 | babilen | adnc: note that it is wise to update apt, dpkg and aptitude before upgrading the rest of the system |
| 18:53.36 | adnc | update apt? |
| 18:53.41 | adnc | apt-get update apt? |
| 18:54.34 | adnc | i did not upgrade the whole system, only apt-get update mpd untill now. is that enough or should i do a dist-upgrade? |
| 18:54.41 | babilen | adnc: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 18:54.48 | adnc | thank you |
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| 18:55.31 | babilen | adnc: you are using squeeze right now. it would not really be a good idea to mix releases. although this is possible, i don't advise you to do so |
| 18:55.42 | adnc | babilen: i'm loading snd-usb-audio for my speakers manually. do you know how i can have this automatically loaded on boot time |
| 18:56.17 | sandman | Is it just me, or are there no precompiled madwifi modules in Lenny? |
| 18:56.22 | babilen | adnc: you can, just add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:57.30 | sandman | babilen: I mixed stable testing and unstable on a system once and it seemed okay. |
| 18:57.42 | sandman | babilen: Of course, there could have been all sorts of things wrong going on in the background for all I know. |
| 18:57.46 | sandman | But, just throwing that out there. |
| 18:58.12 | sandman | Also: testing _does_ in fact have security updates, yes? Just not timely ones. |
| 18:58.19 | babilen | adnc: the link i gave you just outlines the basic procedure. to get an idea what it means to upgrade debian read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:58.21 | adnc | babilen: cool, everything works ok with mpd, so now i'll upgrade package management |
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| 18:59.11 | adnc | babilen: I don't know what happens to the voyage part of that debian, since voyage makes sure that cf-card write access is limited to a minimum |
| 18:59.23 | babilen | sandman: as i said: "it is possible" but I am not recommending it. Users however are free to do what they want, but I don't want to give advise that might turn out wrong |
| 18:59.36 | sandman | babilen: You are wise. |
| 18:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sandman, I thought madwifi modules are part of the normal kernel? |
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| 19:00.18 | sandman | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, they're non-free I thought |
| 19:00.23 | sandman | In Lenny |
| 19:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, just saw that |
| 19:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mustve confused that |
| 19:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !madwifi-install |
| 19:00.40 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "aptitude update && aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT wlan0. This driver is not available for Debian post-Lenny, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 19:01.12 | babilen | sandman: no, i just don't want Debian users to have problems |
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| 19:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if they come back here with the problems caused by bad advice in the 1st place :) |
| 19:02.42 | babilen | exactly |
| 19:02.54 | adnc | babilen: is there a difference between aptitude and apt-get when used on the command line like aptitude install mpd or apt-get install mpd? |
| 19:03.04 | babilen | i at least want to be able to say: "i told you so" ;-) |
| 19:03.07 | asg | adnc: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 19:03.19 | babilen | asg: thanks |
| 19:03.20 | adnc | asg thank you |
| 19:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, right! One of the major amusements you can get here :) |
| 19:03.45 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 19:03.54 | adnc | ok, that convinces me to use aptitude |
| 19:03.55 | chellomere | adnc, note that you can have modules loaded automatically on boot by naming them in /etc/modules |
| 19:03.55 | clarjon1 | how do i force pm-suspend to use s2ram? |
| 19:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | adnc, yes, aptitude resolves dependencies differently, supposedly better |
| 19:04.31 | adnc | chellomere: i've added into that file snd-usb-audio |
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| 19:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... of course that factoid tells the same |
| 19:05.06 | babilen | ok, have to go |
| 19:05.29 | babilen | adnc: good luck! and listen to dpkg ;-) |
| 19:05.34 | adnc | babilen: thank you very much again |
| 19:05.39 | babilen | adnc: np |
| 19:06.21 | chellomere | clarjon1, did you read the man page? |
| 19:06.38 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:06.56 | gasull | How can I know what's the meaning of the error I get with pon ("Faile (#012ERROR#015)"? Should I ask T-Mobile? http://dpaste.com/95775/ Please help |
| 19:08.14 | clarjon1 | chellomere: since /etc/pm/config.d is empty, any files i put in there will be read as a config file? |
| 19:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Verlassend" urgh |
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| 19:08.50 | chellomere | clarjon1, yes. |
| 19:08.57 | clarjon1 | sighs |
| 19:09.03 | clarjon1 | i've been fighting with the files in /etc/hibernate :P |
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| 19:09.37 | sandman | So yeah. I was just noticing that when I have nVidia's non-free drivers installed, my laptop cannot enter hibernate or standby or anything |
| 19:10.04 | sandman | Which is just awesome. Either I get good power management and no 3d, or 3d and crap power management. |
| 19:10.06 | clarjon1 | chellomere: and because the manpage isn't 100% clear to me, the format is VARIABLE = setting, correct? |
| 19:10.30 | clarjon1 | sandman: I've almost got that problem licked with my FGLRX drivers from ATI lol |
| 19:10.37 | chellomere | clarjon1, yes, it appears so. |
| 19:10.46 | clarjon1 | *fingers crossed* |
| 19:11.17 | clarjon1 | here goes :P |
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| 19:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | clarjon1, I usually just call s2ram directly... |
| 19:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with that :) |
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| 19:14.23 | chellomere | CutMeOwnThroat, eg HAL calls pm-suspend, at least by default |
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| 19:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I even finally decided to chmod u+s /usr/sbin/s2ram ... |
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| 19:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | when would HAL want to do that? When you close the lid? (urgh) |
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| 19:15.34 | themill | chellomere: aiui hibernate doesn't get used in the gnome-power-manager (or kpowersave) => hal => pm-suspend => s2ram sequence. |
| 19:15.37 | chellomere | when asked by gnome/xfce/kde to suspend |
| 19:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean normally _you_ decide you want the laptop to hibernate... or not? |
| 19:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, might do that after a certain time of inactivity |
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| 19:16.47 | chellomere | themill, aiui? |
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| 19:17.09 | themill | chellomere: as I understand it. |
| 19:17.10 | chellomere | ah |
| 19:17.18 | chellomere | themill, yes, I think so too |
| 19:17.44 | themill | chellomere: I believe that he needs to be configuring /etc/pm/ not /etc/hibernate... (but he's disappeared....) |
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| 19:18.47 | chellomere | themill, that's what he found out by reading the man page ^^ |
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| 19:19.31 | themill | chellomere: ahh... he did. Missed that. He's been back and forth a bit and I wasn't sure what he was up to |
| 19:19.49 | themill | goes back to not paying proper attention |
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| 19:21.32 | nader_ | Hey, How can I use X window without desktop environment ? |
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| 19:24.16 | dkr | nader_: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; startx |
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| 19:25.55 | neutrino | i have installed debian(lenny) few days earlier. I tried installed the driver for Nvidia GeForce 5500 through synaptic as well as downloading the driver. But still i am unable to configure the graphic card. |
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| 19:26.21 | BumfunMC | i have a problem with videos and the debian testing kernel. when i zoom videos e.g. with mplayer -zoom -fs the cpu usage raises to 100%. with debian stable it works. does anybody know how to fix it? |
| 19:26.49 | BumfunMC | with the stable kernel the cpu usage is about 10% |
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| 19:27.14 | nader_ | dkr: first I kill gdm ? |
| 19:27.14 | chellomere | BumfunMC, is the only difference between the test cases the kernel? |
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| 19:27.28 | BumfunMC | chellomere: yes, definitely |
| 19:27.40 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: which graphic card? which -vo is used? |
| 19:27.46 | chellomere | BumfunMC, what xorg driver are you using? |
| 19:27.52 | BumfunMC | radeonhd |
| 19:28.18 | capricorn | neutrino: what's with 'unable' part? |
| 19:28.20 | chellomere | BumfunMC, you don't supply a -vo? |
| 19:28.29 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: tried video-radeon, in testing, instead? |
| 19:28.48 | BumfunMC | i usually dont type any -vo. but with the testing kernel -vo x11 or something does not display any picture |
| 19:28.51 | jelly-home | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 19:28.52 | judd | jelly-home: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- lenny: 1.2.1-2 sid: 1.2.5-1 squeeze: 1.2.5-1 |
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| 19:29.17 | jelly-home | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 19:29.17 | judd | jelly-home: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 sid: 1:6.12.3-1 squeeze: 1:6.12.3-1 |
| 19:29.21 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: no i havent. shall i replace radeonhd with video-radeon in xorg.conf then? |
| 19:29.30 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: I'd try that. |
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| 19:30.01 | chellomere | BumfunMC, also try -vo xv, -vo gl, -vo gl2 |
| 19:30.22 | chellomere | BumfunMC, it would be _very_ strange if -vo x11 gives no output |
| 19:30.27 | jelly-home | no vidix, huh, chellomere? |
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| 19:30.59 | chellomere | jelly-home, never tried vidix or heard about it? |
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| 19:31.19 | clarjon1 | well |
| 19:31.22 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: in fact i dont care about the video card driver. vesa didnt want to use the resolution 1280x1024, only 800x600. thats why i am using radeon |
| 19:31.28 | clarjon1 | THAT failed |
| 19:31.59 | BumfunMC | chellomere: xv displays nothing |
| 19:32.36 | chellomere | BumfunMC, xvidix appears to be hardware-specific. |
| 19:32.36 | neutrino | capricorn, i am new to debian. i have installed the nvidia driver through synaptic and i couldn't change my resolution higher than 800X600. |
| 19:33.04 | chellomere | BumfunMC, appears that xv is broken then, try jelly-home's suggestions |
| 19:33.12 | BumfunMC | chellomere: x11 works but doesnt zoom the video. gl and gl2 zoom it but play the video slowly and use 100% cpu |
| 19:33.33 | chellomere | BumfunMC, ok, do you have opengl acceleration? |
| 19:34.16 | capricorn | neutrino: try to generate xorg.conf with 'Xorg -configure'. The command will make you new config file xorg.conf.new. You can then copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 19:35.06 | BumfunMC | chellomere: i had it once |
| 19:35.46 | chellomere | BumfunMC, glxinfo|grep direct will tell you whether you have it or not |
| 19:35.54 | clarjon1 | sighs |
| 19:36.30 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: with video-radeon in the xorg.conf X wont start |
| 19:36.37 | BumfunMC | chellomere: the output is: direct rendering: Yes |
| 19:36.50 | chellomere | BumfunMC, ok, that's good |
| 19:36.59 | chellomere | BumfunMC, you may want to examine your X logs, both with radeonhd and with radeon |
| 19:37.06 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: oh, do you have the latest xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed? |
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| 19:37.20 | nader | dkr: thanks |
| 19:37.23 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: the latest from testing is installed |
| 19:37.56 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: is the name of the driver »video-radeon«? |
| 19:38.04 | jelly-home | it's "radeon" |
| 19:38.13 | neutrino | capricorn, should i stop the gdm to execute command, i got a fatal error saying "server is already active for display 0" |
| 19:39.26 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: ok now it works. but i get the extra large resolution |
| 19:39.33 | jelly-home | XL! |
| 19:39.51 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: is there a way to change it to 1280x1024? xrandr failed |
| 19:40.14 | capricorn | neutrino: generally, yes. But you could just do 'sudo Xorg :1 -configure'. That way you don't need to stop anything, X server will just start for a couple of secs on another display |
| 19:40.19 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: what does "xrandr" by itself say? |
| 19:40.24 | jelly-home | (pastebin |
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| 19:40.32 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: now xrandr worked:D thanks |
| 19:40.58 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: does "xvinfo" show any output? |
| 19:40.58 | BumfunMC | it said something about some error before |
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| 19:41.52 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: it says: no adaptors present |
| 19:42.00 | ctmjr | BumfunMC: run this what does the line under direct rendering yes say glxinfo| grep render |
| 19:42.15 | jelly-home | that's not good wrt. accelerated video output |
| 19:42.29 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: you might have to fall back to nonfree drivers |
| 19:42.50 | jelly-home | or boot the old kernel |
| 19:43.02 | BumfunMC | ctmjr: direct rendering: Yes ; OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 19:43.12 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: no way. i am a member of the fsfe |
| 19:43.34 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: don't buy crap hardware then :-D |
| 19:43.41 | nader | capricorn: so how can I back to default server ? |
| 19:44.05 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: my graphics card ran with acceleration and the radeonhd driver |
| 19:44.17 | jelly-home | "ran" being the key word |
| 19:44.28 | clarjon1 | testing AGAIN >.> |
| 19:44.35 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: i played nexuiz und trigger |
| 19:44.48 | capricorn | nader: what do you mean? |
| 19:45.01 | BumfunMC | it worked when i used debian unstable a few months ago |
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| 19:46.01 | BumfunMC | i cant play trigger fluently anymore :P |
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| 19:48.00 | angelblade | Hi ! I have Squeeze. How can i enable Ip_ aliases support ? |
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| 19:48.49 | nader | capricorn: I wanna use somtimes X Window only, after typing /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; startx bash appears... |
| 19:48.54 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: the acceleration isnt working. i dont care. i just want to watch videos. it works with the stable kernel but not with the testing one. neither with the radeon-driver nor with radeonhd. what might the problem be? |
| 19:49.28 | nader | capricorn: and X windows didn't start |
| 19:49.56 | capricorn | nader: AFAIK, startx behaviour depends on what you have in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 19:50.19 | imduffy15 | Hi, Anybody know how i can fix this [3778995.591699] grsec: From 88.151.87.116: denied resource overstep by requesting 4096 for RLIMIT_CORE against limit 0 for /usr/bin/php5[php:3962] |
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| 19:51.34 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: oh, in 2.6.30 package non-free firmware has been split out from linux-image. You might have to install linux-firmware from non-free to get acceleration for r300, r500, r600+ |
| 19:51.38 | neutrino | capricorn, now the nvidai driver is listed in xorg.conf.new file, should i replace the xorg.conf file with this? |
| 19:51.56 | jelly-home | clean forgot about that |
| 19:51.58 | nader | capricorn: I haven't ~/.xinitrc |
| 19:52.21 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: then quit X, rmmod radeon if it's loaded, and modprobe it again (or let X do it) |
| 19:52.58 | nader | capricorn: I made it with Xorg config ? |
| 19:53.01 | capricorn | neutrino: yep. But I'd advise you to back up current xorg.conf just in case |
| 19:53.14 | neutrino | capricorn, ok |
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| 19:53.27 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: nonfree firmware? O_o i thought the debian kernel at least was free |
| 19:53.33 | capricorn | nader: no, you can write it by hand. It's just a script containing what to launch in X |
| 19:53.50 | jelly-home | BumfunMC: the one that worked, wasn't! |
| 19:54.10 | capricorn | nader: I may be mistaken with file name, it was long time since I used startx |
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| 19:54.35 | nader | capricorn: ok thanks |
| 19:54.46 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 19:54.48 | clarjon1 | still no luck |
| 19:54.58 | capricorn | nader, yw |
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| 19:59.55 | _ricky | may I ask for help? I have a problem with debian 5.02.. the gdm autostart got somehow "broken".. debian now boots into console login, from where I have to type in "startx" every time. may I ask how I can enable automatic start of the graphics system? |
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| 20:00.19 | capricorn | _ricky, try dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 20:00.49 | clarjon1 | ok here goes |
| 20:01.00 | clarjon1 | wish me luck |
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| 20:01.02 | clarjon1 | >.< |
| 20:01.08 | clarjon1 | closes his laptop lid |
| 20:01.36 | _ricky | capricorn: thank you. I will try. |
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| 20:02.14 | _ricky | clarjon1: closing the laptop lid may be a grave mistake.. |
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| 20:03.27 | _ricky | clarjon1: .. if you have a ATI chipset.. |
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| 20:04.17 | neutrino | capricorn, i have replaced the xorg.conf file, now what should i do? |
| 20:05.13 | capricorn | neutrino, now just restart X. Either by killing it (Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace) or by logging off and then restarting gdm from another console |
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| 20:06.27 | BumfunMC | jelly-home: i cant find that firmware :@ can you find out where the debian kernel team got it from? |
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| 20:08.29 | krisfremen | hello guys |
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| 20:10.06 | krisfremen | what dns cache is used by default on debian? |
| 20:10.19 | krisfremen | if you haven't installed anything |
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| 20:11.26 | capricorn | krisfremen, if you haven't install anything, I think there will be none |
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| 20:12.41 | krisfremen | hmm |
| 20:12.52 | krisfremen | thing is, debian is somehow blocking some ips |
| 20:12.56 | krisfremen | can't ping them or anything |
| 20:13.13 | krisfremen | i can ping them from other computers on the network |
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| 20:14.06 | capricorn | krisfremen, are they 'some' ips? Can you ping other addresses? |
| 20:14.29 | krisfremen | particularly undernet irc servers |
| 20:15.01 | krisfremen | i can connect to them and ping them from other computers... |
| 20:15.13 | trochala | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.21 | krisfremen | but on this computer, it just times out |
| 20:16.34 | capricorn | krisfremen, you tried pinging/connecting via domain names? What about connecting via IP address? |
| 20:16.57 | krisfremen | i tried both |
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| 20:17.29 | krisfremen | the domain name does resolve, but the connection just times out |
| 20:17.54 | stevieB | i specified the specific rpc.mountd port number in /etc/defaults/nfs-kernel-server, i added the rule to my firewall (both udp and tcp) and netstat -an shows the server is listening on that specific port |
| 20:18.11 | stevieB | however, i still can't mount the share, mount states the server is down |
| 20:18.21 | stevieB | do i have to specify the rpc.mountd port on the mounting server? |
| 20:18.24 | Titan8990 | only ntfs4 will work over a firewall |
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| 20:18.36 | Titan8990 | or is designed to do so |
| 20:18.37 | capricorn | krisfremen, then that's not dns problem :) I'd recommend checking firewall settings (directly via iptables or with some frontend like firestarter). Also, such troubles may occur if you have installed some proxy server |
| 20:18.44 | abrotman | Titan8990: nfs4 ? |
| 20:18.45 | stevieB | Titan8990: are you speaking to me? |
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| 20:19.01 | Titan8990 | errr nfs version 4 |
| 20:19.05 | Titan8990 | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:19.19 | clarjon1 | WOOT |
| 20:19.20 | clarjon1 | works |
| 20:19.22 | clarjon1 | yay |
| 20:19.39 | clarjon1 | just had to edit the HAL script :P |
| 20:19.49 | clarjon1 | debian:/usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux# cat - > hal-system-power-suspend-linux |
| 20:19.49 | clarjon1 | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:19.49 | clarjon1 | /usr/sbin/s2ram -s -p -m -r -f |
| 20:20.11 | trochala | Hello, I have build a local deb file for git-* packages but aptitude wants to "update" my local package, how can I fix this? (policy: http://paste.debian.net/47189/) |
| 20:20.13 | clarjon1 | and now my laptop can suspend to ram from KDE, comes back up, nice, fast, beautiful |
| 20:20.13 | krisfremen | i have nothing in the iptables |
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| 20:20.23 | clarjon1 | is uber happy now |
| 20:20.24 | clarjon1 | :D |
| 20:20.29 | justin | krisfremen: why do you think the host is blocked? |
| 20:20.35 | stevieB | Titan8990: i'm fairly certain this is nfsv4; it's stock etch installations |
| 20:20.40 | Titan8990 | trochala, you can do aptitude hold <package> |
| 20:20.57 | krisfremen | justin: i don't know, it worked ok a few days ago |
| 20:21.29 | capricorn | krisfremen, then maybe it's just that the server you're trying to connect to is down? |
| 20:21.32 | trochala | Titan8990: I want it to update only if a *newer* version is avaliable |
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| 20:21.47 | chellomere | clarjon1, it may be that pm-suspend applies quirk fixes that fail on your system. |
| 20:21.52 | Titan8990 | stevieB, by default it likely uses nfs2/3 |
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| 20:22.05 | stevieB | Titan8990: how do i change this? |
| 20:22.10 | stevieB | and/or verify what version i'm using |
| 20:22.45 | chellomere | clarjon1, if pm-suspend succeeds in using s2ram, that is |
| 20:22.45 | clarjon1 | chellomere: found the solution in the 'buntu forums, told me to replace that hal file with the s2ram stuff :P |
| 20:22.45 | krisfremen | capricorn: i'm tried almost all servers |
| 20:22.45 | clarjon1 | chellomere: It's failing to run s2ram, that's what's going on. |
| 20:22.45 | krisfremen | they can't be all down |
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| 20:22.50 | chellomere | clarjon1, do be aware that this change may be wiped aware on a package upgrade |
| 20:22.52 | jpinx-eeepc | if I want to overwrite a b0rked usb stick with a bust partition table will dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdd kill the old partition table too? |
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| 20:23.08 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: /dev/zero |
| 20:23.12 | Titan8990 | stevieB, not sure, have only read about version 4, never heard of it being used |
| 20:23.16 | clarjon1 | chellomere: I already made a backup of the working file so if it does get wiped, a simple sudo cp will put me back in business |
| 20:23.19 | chellomere | *away |
| 20:23.20 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: and all you need is like bs=1M count=5 |
| 20:23.47 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: ok I'll try that - thanks:) |
| 20:24.45 | clarjon1 | chellomere: I've had that happen before on plenty of other distros, it's become a part of my config strategy lol |
| 20:25.20 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: I was told that /dev/random was more effective at filling the device |
| 20:25.28 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: false |
| 20:25.42 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: ok - thanks |
| 20:25.47 | justin | /dev/random would be the slowest |
| 20:25.48 | clarjon1 | jpinx-eeepc: /dev/random gives you 'true' randomness, /dev/urandom gives you more pseudo-randomness, but is non-blocking. |
| 20:26.11 | justin | you don't need random data, zeros are sufficient |
| 20:27.00 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 20:27.08 | clarjon1 | creating secure passwords with Linux is easy |
| 20:27.12 | clarjon1 | strings /dev/random |
| 20:27.20 | stevieB | when you force rpc.mountd to a specific port how do you tell that to the destination server? |
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| 20:27.31 | capricorn | krisfremen, are you sure you haven't installed some proxy server software? |
| 20:27.37 | chellomere | clarjon1, it would still be better to get pm-suspend fixed. |
| 20:27.41 | chellomere | clarjon1, oh, and pwgen :p |
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| 20:28.10 | clarjon1 | chellomere: strings /dev/random is the lazyman's pwgen ;) |
| 20:28.18 | solid_liq | anyone have scanning working under Lenny? For some reason, my HP all-in-one printer isn't being detected as a scanner. It works fine on a box that runs ubuntu. I installed hplip and used hp's tools, and it doesn't seem to be seen by it or xsane/quiteinsane/sane |
| 20:28.20 | krisfremen | capricorn: the only proxy i use is connecting through ssh -D |
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| 20:28.57 | krisfremen | but thing is, i can connect to other irc servers, only undernet "seems" to be all down |
| 20:29.14 | chellomere | clarjon1, appears that that method needs a lot of entropy, tho |
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| 20:30.05 | rudi_s | clarjon1, chellomere: /dev/urandom is enough IMHO. |
| 20:30.26 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: did the dd and fdisk'd the partition table, but it's not being seen. Any other ideas? |
| 20:30.49 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: unplug it and plug it back in |
| 20:30.53 | clarjon1 | chellomere: i use like hte first 3 lines from it :P |
| 20:31.06 | clarjon1 | rudi_s: heh. strings /dev/urandom is funnnn |
| 20:31.30 | chellomere | clarjon1, here it needed me to spark some serious disk I/O before it even began outputting anything :p |
| 20:31.35 | capricorn | krisfremen, I cannot ping undernet servers either |
| 20:31.57 | krisfremen | can you connect to them? |
| 20:32.00 | clarjon1 | chellomere: weird, as soon as I use it, it spits out at least one or two entries, and just twiddling the mouse around can create entropy to use it |
| 20:32.03 | Titan8990 | cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is an interesting one |
| 20:32.11 | rudi_s | clarjon1: I normally use cat /dev/urandom | base64 ;-) |
| 20:32.30 | patrikf | apg ftw! |
| 20:32.36 | chellomere | clarjon1, guess I may be low on entropy? |
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| 20:32.45 | clarjon1 | chellomere: There may be a patch for that ;) |
| 20:32.56 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: i can get to undernet |
| 20:33.36 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: http://clarjon1.pastebin.com/d23bce62f |
| 20:34.18 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: re-wrote the partition table with fdisk, unplugged and replugged into different socket, but still not reading the table:( |
| 20:34.28 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: could the drive just be broken? |
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| 20:34.38 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: yes |
| 20:34.48 | krisfremen | clarjon1: tried both with ip and domain |
| 20:34.51 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: try running badblocks on it with the read write test |
| 20:34.51 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: it'sa USB stick |
| 20:34.52 | krisfremen | they don't work for me |
| 20:35.13 | justin | jpinx-eeepc: or just dd some file to it and dd it back off and see if you get the same file |
| 20:35.21 | jpinx-eeepc | justin: ok - running badblocks |
| 20:35.25 | justin | like dd if=movie.avi of=/dev/sdd bs=1M count=16 |
| 20:35.31 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: perhaps your ISP is being evil and blacklisting them? |
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| 20:35.39 | justin | unplug;plug; dd if=/dev/sdd of=movie.avi.2 bs=1M count=16 |
| 20:35.43 | justin | cmp movie.avi movie.avi.2 |
| 20:35.50 | justin | no partiation table required |
| 20:35.55 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: who's you ISP? |
| 20:35.57 | krisfremen | there's a slight possibility |
| 20:36.02 | krisfremen | atlantic broadband |
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| 20:36.42 | adnc | i've a fat32 formated usb stick on which i have some files with umlautes within the filenames, like ü or ä. when i mount the stick on my ubuntu I see those characters, but as when mounted on my debian with mount /mnt/sdb1 /mnt I only see these characters as ? question marks. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:37.29 | adb | adnc, >#ubuntu |
| 20:37.33 | justin | adnc: not mounting it with charset/utf options |
| 20:37.35 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: I'm not seeing anything in google about it, but you never know... |
| 20:37.42 | krisfremen | :( |
| 20:37.46 | adnc | adb: it has nothing todo with ubuntu! |
| 20:37.52 | sandman | Is there a 3d accelerator that has fully opensource drivers? |
| 20:37.56 | krisfremen | this sucks... it worked a few days ago! |
| 20:38.02 | sandman | That work in linux? That also, for example, are fully functional. |
| 20:38.05 | adnc | justin: do you know by hard how i could mount it with utf options? |
| 20:38.06 | krisfremen | i guess i'll have to call them |
| 20:38.21 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: try connecting with mibbit? |
| 20:38.27 | zrin | I've set up a rt61pci wlan card in ad-hoc mode and succesfully connected a notebook (static IPs). the wlan0 interface receives packets, but nothing is being sent ... I need a hint where to look for the problem |
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| 20:38.54 | dserban | when compiling a program that requires your .config from your kernel sources .. the headers and kbuild directories under /usr/src don't provide the correct stuff. specifically with the lirc source package. How do I handle this situation? |
| 20:38.56 | BumfunMC | sandman: i cant answer that :P my radeon 1270 works with the radeonhd driver and (on squeeze and newer) with linux-firmware package |
| 20:39.04 | krisfremen | i want to connect with irssi so i can ssh to my server from anywhere and use irc |
| 20:39.15 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: yes, but try it from mibbit |
| 20:39.25 | BumfunMC | sandman: but that package is from the nonfree repository |
| 20:39.27 | sandman | So pretty much, if you want 3D, you're going to end up using proprietary drivers? |
| 20:39.33 | sandman | non-free drivers? |
| 20:39.36 | sandman | That's bunk. |
| 20:39.41 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: then try it from other IRC clients, like xchat, just to test. |
| 20:40.09 | Titan8990 | sandman, no always, there are new mesa drivers |
| 20:40.19 | BumfunMC | sandman: no |
| 20:40.40 | BumfunMC | sandman: the packages from nonfree. i think they only have bad licenses and stuff |
| 20:40.43 | Titan8990 | sandman, non-free drivers are typically better |
| 20:40.51 | Titan8990 | sandman, and it what you would use under any other platform |
| 20:40.55 | BumfunMC | sandman: dont believe that. nonfree drivers are evil |
| 20:41.11 | clarjon1 | ... |
| 20:41.15 | BumfunMC | sandman: soft- and hardware companies want to take away your freedom with that |
| 20:41.20 | Titan8990 | BumfunMC, the source code is not available |
| 20:41.21 | capricorn | adnc, mount -o utf8 ? |
| 20:41.25 | clarjon1 | sandman: What chipset/card? |
| 20:41.41 | adnc | capricorn: thank you |
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| 20:41.55 | krisfremen | clarjon1: nope, doesn't work |
| 20:42.16 | clarjon1 | krisfremen: sounds like someone's not letting your computer connect. |
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| 20:42.26 | BumfunMC | all in all amd is publishing their documents of their drivers. so open source drivers for ati graphic cards are being made and you can use ati drivers for 3d acceleration on debian using only the debian repositories |
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| 20:43.44 | sandman | Well, I'm looking into getting a video card |
| 20:43.57 | sandman | And I want one that is as free and open as possible |
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| 20:44.07 | abrotman | sandman: if you want a discrete card ... |
| 20:44.37 | sandman | One that is actually fully supported under Linux without problems |
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| 20:44.46 | sandman | With _free_ drivers |
| 20:44.51 | DreadMacUserRobe | can someone recommend a irc server to run on etch? (I am running a VPS that only has etch) |
| 20:44.55 | abrotman | i don't think intel/s3/etc make discrete cards .. so if you want 3d in an add-on card .. AFAIK, you're stuck with ATi/nVidia .. but if you get an older radeon, you may have luck with radeon/radeonhd |
| 20:44.59 | sandman | And apparently, nobody knows of one =) |
| 20:45.11 | sandman | Meh. |
| 20:45.18 | sandman | So no new video cards have any free drivers. |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | sandman: look for an Rv500 based card .. shouldn't run you much |
| 20:45.30 | abrotman | sandman: discrete? ask #radeon or #radeonhd |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | (whichever it is) |
| 20:45.55 | sandman | I've never heard of "discrete" used in that way before. |
| 20:46.01 | abrotman | oh, it's both |
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| 20:46.36 | abrotman | well, anyways .. go ask them to see what they can tell you. They may say something like "Not the super brand new, but something six months old" or a year or whatever |
| 20:46.57 | sandman | So ATI and nVidia are the only 3d accelerator manufacturers? Garbage. |
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| 20:47.37 | BumfunMC | sandman: check this out: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd#head-cc89624fd96105127892119323e209b3d80e137d |
| 20:47.46 | imduffy15 | Hi, I'm having issues installing a kernel can anybody help? http://paste.debian.net/47196/ |
| 20:48.13 | sandman | I don't want an ATI or nVidia card. Neither of those companies have an interest in having free drivers. |
| 20:48.29 | sandman | I don't want to use their garbage. |
| 20:48.50 | patrikf | I think Matrox provides free drivers for at least some of their cards |
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| 20:48.57 | BumfunMC | sandman: thats not true. ati is releasing their descriptions of the drivers. so open source drivers are being made by others. |
| 20:49.00 | zrin | any hint on why ifconfig wlan0 shows "TX packets: 0", i.e. nothing is being sent, while RX works? (lenny 2.6.30, rt61pci driver) |
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| 20:49.12 | sandman | BumfunMC: I don't care. I want _them_ to make and support their own stuff. |
| 20:49.20 | chellomere | sandman, ATI/AMD has begun churning out documentation that can be used to write free drivers. |
| 20:49.23 | sandman | I'm not going to buy from a company that is that lazy. |
| 20:49.33 | sandman | Especially when they're sitting on as much money as they are. |
| 20:49.50 | clarjon1 | sandman: From what i've read, they have Signed Legal Documents that prevent them from fully opening their technology, Agreements With Other Companies and such :P |
| 20:49.58 | BumfunMC | sandman: you´re right. offer them to buy their crap for a cheaper price. if you dont find anything free take ati |
| 20:50.11 | chellomere | sandman, I guess you should be looking on intel then. |
| 20:50.35 | sandman | BumfunMC: For the last time, I'm not buying a piece of crap ATI/nVidia product |
| 20:50.38 | patrikf | matrox! |
| 20:50.39 | sandman | I'd rather gouge my eyes out. |
| 20:50.45 | sandman | patrikf: Yeah, I'm looking into them now. |
| 20:50.51 | patrikf | ;-) |
| 20:51.00 | webPragmatist | uhh |
| 20:51.03 | chellomere | I haven't heard about matrox for ages |
| 20:51.04 | justin | sandman: you don't really have a choice |
| 20:51.23 | justin | sandman: a slightly older radeon would be your best bet |
| 20:51.32 | sandman | Mmm. I like this Matrox stuff |
| 20:51.40 | justin | sandman: stop being an idiot |
| 20:51.41 | clarjon1 | sandman: geekgasm? ;) |
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| 20:51.51 | evilgenius101 | Hello! |
| 20:51.58 | evilgenius101 | Need some help with Mysql in deb 5 |
| 20:52.01 | justin | anything other than bleeding edge ati cards have perfectly working open drivers |
| 20:52.03 | BumfunMC | sandman: you have the right attitude |
| 20:52.27 | evilgenius101 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:52.28 | BumfunMC | are there matrox cards with 3d acceleration? |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | sandman: that's not waht i said .. |
| 20:52.38 | clarjon1 | justin: Not for my card :( 2d stuff works, but no 3d accel for my laptop w/o the binary drivers |
| 20:52.44 | evilgenius101 | mysqld_safe doesn't exist .... |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | sandman: they're the only ones that make add-on cards |
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| 20:53.04 | justin | clarjon1: because it's too new :-P |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | sandman: AFAIK anyways .. oh i guess there is matrox too, but the parhelia drivers are also closed. |
| 20:53.12 | clarjon1 | justin: my laptop is 2 years old |
| 20:53.23 | justin | clarjon1: you can't use the radeonhd driver? |
| 20:53.38 | abrotman | sandman: if you want one on a mobo, look at the intel stuff, though i've heard unichrome also works. Just check with the #xorg people before you buy i suppose |
| 20:53.39 | clarjon1 | justin: ATI Radeon Xpress 200m series :P |
| 20:54.03 | justin | clarjon1: weird, I'm pretty sure I have an x300m in my other laptop and 3d works with the free drivers |
| 20:54.10 | sandman | I just think we need an openhardware movement. |
| 20:54.24 | clarjon1 | justin: 3d _works_, but it doesn't have the 3d accel under those drivers. |
| 20:54.25 | abrotman | there already is one |
| 20:54.26 | sandman | I like where http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome is going. |
| 20:54.48 | sandman | Maybe someday we will be able to fabricate our own ICs with that thing. |
| 20:54.57 | clarjon1 | oooh |
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| 20:55.04 | sandman | At home =) |
| 20:55.10 | clarjon1 | WANTS |
| 20:55.11 | abrotman | sandman: http://hackaday.com/2008/05/21/open-graphics-card-available-for-preorder/ .. enjoy |
| 20:55.14 | justin | good luck :) |
| 20:55.20 | evilgenius101 | need help with ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) using debian lenny, and mysqld_safe doesn't exist |
| 20:55.27 | lindenle | Hi my usb install stick keeps telling me that there is something wrong with the latest testing buisiness card iso |
| 20:55.36 | justin | evilgenius101: install mysql, start mysql |
| 20:55.37 | lindenle | can someone give me an md5sum |
| 20:55.48 | justin | lindenle: md5sum the file you have and google it |
| 20:55.57 | justin | if you get 500+ hits, it's the right md5 sum :) |
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| 20:56.06 | lindenle | justin: nm the md5sum is in the directory |
| 20:56.13 | justin | that works too |
| 20:56.17 | evilgenius101 | justin, mysql is installing im pretty sure .. |
| 20:56.18 | lindenle | duh...sorry |
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| 20:56.57 | evilgenius101 | installed* |
| 20:57.14 | lindenle | they do not match! |
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| 20:57.30 | lindenle | oh wait just finished |
| 20:57.32 | lindenle | now they match |
| 20:57.58 | sandman | This video card thing has made me realize just how not-free I am. |
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| 20:58.11 | sandman | It's amazing how much you can control someone if they are not independent. |
| 20:58.14 | lindenle | Do i need to use a 64 bit syslinux image to boot the 64 bit installer? Or can I just replace the iso on my stick? |
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| 20:58.40 | markybob | sandman: sounds like you've been living under a rock. this isnt "new" |
| 20:59.07 | sandman | markybob: Well, I was aware of it before. It just amazes me sometimes how deep the rabbit hole goes. |
| 20:59.14 | sandman | Or however the saying goes. |
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| 21:00.25 | abrotman | sandman: intel used to (still does?) release specs for their hardware, but they do not (yet?) sell add-on cards |
| 21:00.25 | clarjon1 | lindenle: the syslinux contains a 64bit kernel to boot, so i'd recommend it, for initrd purposes and all... |
| 21:00.51 | lindenle | ok |
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| 21:00.54 | lindenle | will do |
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| 21:01.11 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 21:01.16 | DelphiWorld | i'm setting up a nat router |
| 21:01.29 | DelphiWorld | i get my dns server working but i can't go out |
| 21:01.31 | DelphiWorld | why? |
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| 21:01.57 | sandman | "20 April, 2009 - Announcement of first electronic circuit boards produced automatically with a RepRap. Using an automated control system and a swappable head system capable of printing both plastic and conductive solder. Part is later integrated into the RepRap that made it." <== and who said making your own hardware at home was far off? |
| 21:02.16 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, is the router running debian? |
| 21:02.31 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: ;) |
| 21:02.36 | lindenle | clarjon1: can you remind me wher the vmlinuz is at debian.org... ;) |
| 21:02.38 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: no hardware router but a PC |
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| 21:02.47 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 21:02.53 | clarjon1 | no clue sorry :P |
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| 21:03.21 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, well then, is NAT configure correctly on it? ipv4 forwarding enabled, correct iptables rules setup? |
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| 21:03.25 | DelphiWorld | please see my iptables script: |
| 21:03.26 | DelphiWorld | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1d676353 |
| 21:03.44 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: see it please |
| 21:04.06 | lindenle | found em |
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| 21:04.21 | leijona | heyo, whats the latest available glibc for x86_64? i have 2.3.4 but i see 2.7 and such around on google. i cant update via apt, though, it says i'm at the newest version. |
| 21:04.37 | azeem | leijona: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:04.57 | leijona | 4.1.1-21 |
| 21:05.02 | capricorn | leijona, even better, why do you need latest glibc? |
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| 21:05.13 | azeem | leijona: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 21:05.25 | leijona | 4.0 |
| 21:05.27 | leijona | well, i'd need 2.4 to have dropbox running |
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| 21:06.01 | azeem | leijona: you could upgrade to Debian 5.0 |
| 21:06.09 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, I recognize everything of that except the last line, is that something which has to do with the ppp device? |
| 21:06.37 | capricorn | azeem, leijona, I think 'could' is not the correct word here. 'Should' would be better :) |
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| 21:06.43 | leijona | its the only way? |
| 21:06.45 | azeem | capricorn: why? |
| 21:06.48 | azeem | leijona: yes |
| 21:06.51 | leijona | well, crap |
| 21:06.55 | leijona | thanks then :) |
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| 21:07.40 | clarjon1 | yays again as his computer does suspend to ram/sleep properly again |
| 21:07.43 | capricorn | azeem, well that's because stable and oldstable don't get updated to latest versions of anything |
| 21:07.59 | leijona | oh, is there a way to do the upgrade via apt? |
| 21:08.04 | azeem | of course |
| 21:08.11 | azeem | leijona: read the lenny/5.0 release notes |
| 21:08.14 | leijona | k |
| 21:08.15 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, from man iptables about TCPMSS: "This target is used to overcome criminally braindead ISPs or servers" |
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| 21:08.30 | lindenle | still no go |
| 21:08.42 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: i don't know, is just suggested by my friend |
| 21:09.00 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: this PPP connection is a PPTP VPN connection |
| 21:09.23 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, you may try dropping the last line. is eth1 setup correctly? |
| 21:09.34 | c03 | where are samba drives mounted? |
| 21:09.41 | c03 | shares |
| 21:09.48 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: yes, i can ping it and ... |
| 21:09.57 | azeem | c03: where you tell smbmount to |
| 21:10.02 | azeem | or mount -t cifs |
| 21:10.15 | c03 | azeem: ubuntu did it automatically |
| 21:10.20 | azeem | did what? |
| 21:10.22 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: if i drop the last line, i can't use nslookup to fetch a domain but with it i can, but for just one minute;) |
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| 21:10.41 | c03 | azeem: mounted it, I think? |
| 21:10.44 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, that's odd. |
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| 21:11.01 | c03 | azeem: I can browse the share and copy files from it, doesn't that mean it's mounted? or? |
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| 21:11.20 | azeem | depends |
| 21:11.37 | azeem | gnome-vfs didn't use to mount samba shares |
| 21:11.47 | azeem | gvfs might expose them to the file system, not sure |
| 21:11.52 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: ;) |
| 21:11.52 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: ? |
| 21:11.56 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, ... and internet works correctly when connecting from the router? |
| 21:12.17 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: yes, the router is connected correctly to the VPN |
| 21:13.22 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, sorry, I don't think I can help more then, my best guess is that it has to do with NAT from an eth device to a ppp device, tho I have no experience with ppp devices. |
| 21:13.37 | c03 | hmm, just apt-getted smbfs,.. smbmount segfaults |
| 21:13.54 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: the problem is just dns forwarding i think |
| 21:14.26 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, can you ping ips on the internet through the NAT? |
| 21:14.35 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: no;) |
| 21:14.46 | Wolfkin | basically I need to edit video so I'm trying to use dynebolic (LiveCD) which is based on debian. disc burned clean boots fine but I don't know how to connect to my wireless router. how do I configure wireless internet. |
| 21:14.51 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: if i use the last line, i can just fetch the domain but for limited |
| 21:14.53 | DelphiWorld | only one minute |
| 21:14.58 | DelphiWorld | and nslookup don't work |
| 21:15.15 | adb | DelphiWorld, done a flush before apply that iptables script ? |
| 21:15.28 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, then there's obviously more problems than dns forwarding. |
| 21:16.13 | DelphiWorld | adb: ok, how to please? |
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| 21:16.32 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, it sounded like you knew, therefore I didn't ask: iptables -F |
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| 21:17.33 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: adbok i'm trying |
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| 21:18.49 | DelphiWorld | debhelper: you are a bot but help me;) |
| 21:19.18 | simonrvn | DelphiWorld: i very much doubt that ;) |
| 21:19.35 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: can i see forwareded ports or connected hosts? |
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| 21:20.11 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, I recommend jnettop |
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| 21:20.57 | leijona | azeem: cheers, works like a charm |
| 21:21.02 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: ok what is jnettop? |
| 21:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | netstat? |
| 21:21.18 | ChalamiuS | DelphiWorld, learn to properly tab-complete please :/ |
| 21:21.24 | chellomere | netstat works too |
| 21:21.27 | ukl | hello. I tried to update my testing system and filled up my "/" disk space in the process. Now I can "aptitude clean" and regain some space, but it won't be enough to update. I cannot remove anything due to conflict/broken issues. This is getting messy, I need some help... |
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| 21:21.38 | ChalamiuS | This is the third time I switched over here just to see the message wasn't mean for me >_> |
| 21:21.58 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, I'm chellomere. really. :) |
| 21:22.06 | DelphiWorld | ChalamiuS: that tab completion don't work for me dud to accessibility problem; (blind); |
| 21:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChalamiuS, we all missed you! how's it going |
| 21:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 21:22.32 | ChalamiuS | Oh god, more highlights |
| 21:22.34 | ChalamiuS | dies |
| 21:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you asked for it... kind of |
| 21:22.48 | ChalamiuS | returns to coding |
| 21:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I'll restrain myself |
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| 21:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<DelphiWorld> ChalamiuS: ok what is jnettop?" ---> "apt-cache show jnettop" might tell you? |
| 21:24.21 | DelphiWorld | got it |
| 21:24.25 | DelphiWorld | i got apt-cache search jnettop |
| 21:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | show, show! |
| 21:24.32 | DelphiWorld | apt-get install apt-cache search jnettop |
| 21:24.33 | DelphiWorld | ... |
| 21:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr |
| 21:25.00 | dustybin | y eok |
| 21:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doen't work if you just mix apt-get, a package name and a couple of install|search|show in a random order, though |
| 21:25.09 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 21:25.16 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: grub2 squeeze is heads up folks! The squeeze installer (atleast the dailes?) are now going to use GRUB2 (grub-pc?) as default; "* r60820 packages/arch/i386/grub-installer/debian/ (changelog grub-installer.templates): Install GRUB 2 by default." http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-boot/2009/debian-boot.2009-09-21-20.00.log.html for more |
| 21:25.16 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 21:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin!!!!!! may I offend you with my nick today? |
| 21:25.21 | DelphiWorld | apt-get install jnettop |
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| 21:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
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| 21:26.53 | ukl | how can I remove a package without solving outstanding issues (given I believe I know what I'm doing)? |
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| 21:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "dpkg -r packagename"? |
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| 21:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | apply the correct --force-something as needed |
| 21:27.48 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: jnettop |
| 21:27.48 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:27.48 | ukl | CutMeOwnThroat: oh. well. yes. Looking at aptitude's manpage probably was a wrong turn. |
| 21:28.21 | emmav | I'm trying to get this 2ndary user to be able to run vlc but there is no audio group to add her to. Do I just create one? |
| 21:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg --force-help gives you a list... I guess you want --force-breaks and/or --force-depends |
| 21:28.25 | dpkg | You are person #7 to send an unparseable request, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 21:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 21:28.31 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 21:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I won't! |
| 21:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I better stop, before dpkg outsmarts me |
| 21:29.13 | adb | emmav, grep aud /etc/group |
| 21:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, what happened to moron #7 |
| 21:29.26 | DelphiWorld | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 21:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't stand political correctness |
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| 21:29.49 | chellomere | !latr CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:30.02 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: do you know jnettop? |
| 21:30.02 | chellomere | ... |
| 21:30.02 | chellomere | !lart CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:30.02 | carrot | hi, can someone tell me how I can set it up such that the computer automatically logs in and runs startx as a non-root user? |
| 21:30.02 | ukl | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, "dpkg -r" was sufficient as what I wanted to remove had nothing to do with the conflicts/broken things; just trying to gain some space to move |
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| 21:30.02 | dpkg | wouldn't dream of doing you know jnettop |
| 21:30.03 | dpkg | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to CutMeOwnThroat, and goes postal |
| 21:30.04 | ukl | (ran into a filled up root partition) |
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| 21:30.54 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: jnettop is a package to View hosts/ports taking up the most network traffic |
| 21:30.54 | dpkg | okay, DelphiWorld |
| 21:31.05 | PinkFreud | carrot: you'll probably want to run gdmsetup. |
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| 21:31.19 | PinkFreud | carrot: you can use that to configure gdm to perform auto-login. |
| 21:31.28 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: jnettop |
| 21:31.29 | dpkg | [jnettop] a package to View hosts/ports taking up the most network traffic |
| 21:31.42 | carrot | PinkFreud: thanks |
| 21:31.50 | PinkFreud | no problem |
| 21:32.16 | emmav | dpkg told me to do the various things which I have done to alsa, but still no sound for this user |
| 21:32.16 | dpkg | You are person #8 to send an unparseable request, emmav |
| 21:32.46 | adb | emmav, grep aud /etc/group , says ? |
| 21:32.46 | emmav | can anyone shed any light on this |
| 21:32.57 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: you can /msg dpkg <something> ..that said; try /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 21:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that moron #8 :) |
| 21:33.43 | clarjon1 | ^_^ |
| 21:34.00 | emmav | adb: audio:x:29:johnp |
| 21:34.10 | adb | audio:x:29:johnp,emmav |
| 21:34.12 | carrot | PinkFreud: is there an alternative to gdm, as it appears to want me to install half of gnome for it? |
| 21:34.19 | azeem | xdm |
| 21:34.20 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: heh, i see you made a <jnettop> factoid, however; 21:23 <dpkg> Factoid search of 'jnettop' by value returned no results. :-P |
| 21:34.29 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: thx |
| 21:34.31 | DelphiWorld | and sory |
| 21:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | emmav, the alsa-checklist factoid should give you a fair idea where the problem is... |
| 21:34.46 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: you might want to add some more information to it ;-) |
| 21:35.04 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: but i see lmy ast info rauto emoved;) |
| 21:35.08 | emmav | adb by editing or by usermod _? |
| 21:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | emmav, it's always either can't access device (permissions), alsa muted, module not loaded at all... etc. |
| 21:35.14 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: i documented mor packages like freeswitch |
| 21:35.20 | adb | emmav, write that as root |
| 21:35.31 | xeon-enouf | DelphiWorld: ok - try less typos :-p |
| 21:35.41 | Tramp | isn't it possible to change dpkg so it does not respond unless there is some punctuation-character after the initial "dpkg"? |
| 21:35.59 | PinkFreud | carrot: gdm, kdm, xdm, ... |
| 21:36.03 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: thanks for this utility |
| 21:36.06 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: you mean dpkgbot? |
| 21:36.07 | emmav | adb: ok - brb |
| 21:36.08 | adb | emmav, than log out/in |
| 21:36.11 | PinkFreud | however, xdm will be a bit more difficult to configure for auto-login. |
| 21:36.12 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: yes |
| 21:36.15 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: how to use it only for ppp0 interface? |
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| 21:36.47 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: you'd have to ask dondelelcaro or themill or someone, it's an infobot again, since source migrated back to it from blootbot? (or something) |
| 21:36.54 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, [0]-[9] switch device |
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| 21:37.23 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, it also takes an -i argument |
| 21:37.29 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: k. I'll remember when I see them. |
| 21:37.31 | okaratas | hello |
| 21:37.47 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: example please? |
| 21:38.21 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, jnettop -i ppp0? |
| 21:38.26 | carrot | PinkFreud: okay, i think i can help myself from there, thanks |
| 21:39.02 | PinkFreud | carrot: good luck |
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| 21:39.30 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: ok |
| 21:40.02 | emma_ | gives adb a case of beer |
| 21:40.23 | adb | sweet ;) |
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| 21:40.38 | emma_ | next problem / can I have two users using differeent languages_ |
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| 21:41.10 | \amethyst | emma_: yes; at least one of them would need to override LANG in their .profile or .bashrc |
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| 21:41.40 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: thanks for your help |
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| 21:41.53 | \amethyst | e.g. LANG=de_AT.UTF-8 for a user who wants a UTF-8 German (Austria) locale |
| 21:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | carrot! That's another Discworld character |
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| 21:42.48 | mezod | has someone installed amuleweb? |
| 21:42.49 | emma_ | \amethyst: ok / can you be a little more specific? I'd like my user in english and hers in spanish |
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| 21:43.15 | Multiply | I'm accessing a file on my debian server, from windows 7. "\\192.168.1.10\someshare\thefile.txt" <- I open it with notepad, edit it, and try to save it. Windows tells me, that the file is either locked, or in use by another application, why? |
| 21:43.33 | Multiply | I can make new directories, overwrite files, and so on, but I can't edit it directly |
| 21:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | emmav, show the output/results of the stuff from the alsa checklist if you don't see yourself where it leads (hard to suggest something when we don't know exactly what you've done already and what could be learned from it) |
| 21:43.53 | bpun | Multiply, cuse first, win 7 is not even out in stable, and 2) we dont support windows |
| 21:44.00 | emma_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the advise from adb was solid |
| 21:44.04 | chellomere | DelphiWorld, np. I'm impressed that you're following so quickly while not being able to see. |
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| 21:44.24 | Multiply | bpun, I assume it's a matter of rights, in the directory, tho. :P |
| 21:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | emma_, good on yer, then :) |
| 21:44.33 | zleap | bpun, on the contary we could advise people on fixing windows, install debian :) |
| 21:44.53 | xeon-enouf | yeah, even run !debian.exe! |
| 21:45.20 | \amethyst | emma_: then add to your .profile the line LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and to hers LANG=es_PE.UTF-8 |
| 21:45.37 | epsilon | nooo, debian.msi with microsoft certification plz |
| 21:45.43 | zleap | or perhaps wubi |
| 21:45.55 | zleap | which ok is a ubuntu thing, |
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| 21:46.16 | emma_ | \amethyst: ok ad to allow her to use a spanish kbd? |
| 21:46.24 | xeon-enouf | Multiply: you're using samba i take it? see what lsof and fuser can tell you perhaps |
| 21:47.17 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: see: |
| 21:47.20 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: freeswitch |
| 21:47.21 | dpkg | it has been said that freeswitch is a media switching library scaling from a softphone, PBX to a powerfull enterprise grade softswitch; support sip, iax2, google talk /xmpp, skype and H.323 |
| 21:47.39 | DelphiWorld | xeon-enouf: but later this will to by removed |
| 21:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, you could do something like "mkdir /tmp/tst; smbmount //localhost/homes/ /tmp/tst" to test things locally on the Debian machine - even perhaps using notepad via wine... |
| 21:47.46 | Multiply | Actually.. I can rename files, create files, delete files, but not overwrite. I was almost sure I could overwrite before, but it seems I cant |
| 21:47.59 | \amethyst | emma_: probably the simplest is to use the desktop environment's keyboard configuration; they might automatically set it based on the locale, but I'm not sure |
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| 21:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the way it is, the problem isn't unlikely to be somehow on the windows side.... |
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| 21:48.41 | DelphiWorld | bye! |
| 21:48.42 | \amethyst | emma_: e.g. gnome-keyboard-properties (System->Preferences->Keyboard) |
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| 21:48.43 | emma_ | \amethyst: there is no .profile file - do I just create one?/ |
| 21:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously windows has some mechanism of locking open files... I just never figured how that works... and it's actually not something that has got anything to do with debian... |
| 21:48.54 | \amethyst | emma_: do you have a .bash_profile ? |
| 21:49.29 | \amethyst | emma_: either way, the best way is to create a .profile |
| 21:49.52 | emma_ | \amethyst: got .bash_profile |
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| 21:50.00 | inetd50 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.00 | inetd50 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.03 | emma_ | ok will create .profile |
| 21:50.06 | inetd50 | doesnt seem to work |
| 21:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_locking |
| 21:50.19 | \amethyst | emma_: if you do have a .bash_profile, you will need to edit it, too, to add at the beginning [ -e ~/.profile ] && . ~/.profile |
| 21:50.21 | inetd50 | how can i get MOCP_OUT variable in a bash script? |
| 21:50.47 | \amethyst | emma_: that tells bash to use *both* .profile and .bash_profile (normally if .bash_profile exists .profile is skipped) |
| 21:51.36 | \amethyst | emma_: (the reason to put LANG= it into .profile instead of just .bash_profile is because the gdm session scripts use .profile but not .bash_profile) |
| 21:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there is no /usr/bin/mocp? |
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| 21:52.20 | adb | inetd50, > #bash |
| 21:52.42 | emma_ | \amethyst: ok thanks - leave me to work on that for a bit - - I'll be back.... |
| 21:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, ... "export MOCP_OUT"? Your pipe happens in a subshell |
| 21:53.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but substitution really should happen even before you go into that subshell, so you should be good |
| 21:53.17 | xeon-enouf | emma_: not sure if consolekit is supposed to take care of this in squeeze onward; but if you want to be able to toggle bewteen say us and es from when X starts, add these two lines to your xorg.conf (/msg dpkg xorg.conf ; see man xorg.conf) Option "XkbLayout" "us,es" \n Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
| 21:53.41 | xeon-enouf | emma_: then pressing alt+shift will toggle layouts |
| 21:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | care to tell us WHAT doesn't work? |
| 21:53.53 | sphenxes | is it possible to create a script that can create a directory where the directory is the todays day. i have tried: year=$(date +%Y%m%d); mkdir $year. it hasn't worked. any suggetions |
| 21:54.24 | emma_ | xeon-enouf: cool - thanks - I will try that later |
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| 21:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, "mkdir $(date --iso)"? |
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| 21:55.18 | xeon-enouf | :( dpkgbot has no info about consolekit, nor policykit |
| 21:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (date --iso format is actually superior for filenames, because ls output will sort several of those in chronological order) |
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| 21:55.45 | sphenxes | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks it works fine |
| 21:55.51 | helo_ | is it a terrible idea to do a dist-upgrade in chroot? |
| 21:56.09 | karsten | helo_: No, but it shouldn't be necessary. |
| 21:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sphenxes, your line works for me, too, btw |
| 21:56.20 | xeon-enouf | sphenxes: is that the Ny times cron job ? ;-) |
| 21:56.32 | helo_ | i need to do work on this lenny partition while the dist-upgrade is running on my (soon to be) sid partition |
| 21:56.35 | karsten | helo_: More specifically: if it is necessary, it's a reportable bug. |
| 21:56.46 | karsten | helo_: Most stuff Should Just Work. |
| 21:56.47 | helo_ | i wish having to work was a bug... |
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| 21:57.20 | sphenxes | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 21:57.24 | karsten | helo_: If you've done a kernel upgrade, you'll need to reboot at the end. Libc updates may require a shutdown to single-user mode / restart for services. |
| 21:57.34 | karsten | helo_: Generally, though, Debian updates in place. |
| 21:57.41 | helo_ | great |
| 21:57.57 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: yikes, why does gdm do that? IIRC, no ~/.profile is generated via default (except in /root/ for root user?) |
| 21:58.02 | karsten | helo_: Destkop or propduction enviornment? |
| 21:58.16 | karsten | Erm: desktop / production. |
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| 21:59.01 | xeon-enouf | waves at karsten (see <grub2 squeeze> if you care - freshly written) |
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| 21:59.45 | xeon-enouf | (hrm, maybe i should move it over to be named <grub2 squeeze-di> ?) |
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| 22:01.17 | adb | and you confirm it works ;) ? |
| 22:01.38 | solid_liq | okay, debian is starting to piss me off |
| 22:01.40 | xeon-enouf | haha .. it's alpha! |
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| 22:01.51 | xeon-enouf | beta upstream |
| 22:01.59 | solid_liq | debian lenny |
| 22:02.04 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: :-/ |
| 22:02.18 | solid_liq | I can't mount my sdcard now that I've mounted it twice before |
| 22:02.19 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: kde crap? |
| 22:02.24 | solid_liq | er, 3 times before |
| 22:02.26 | xeon-enouf | mount it? |
| 22:02.36 | solid_liq | the 2nd time I mounted it it didn't recognize the new files on it |
| 22:02.40 | xeon-enouf | oh, heh, i thought you meant snd card :-p |
| 22:02.40 | solid_liq | yeah, /dev/sdc1 |
| 22:02.44 | solid_liq | oh heh |
| 22:02.55 | xeon-enouf | what FSType? |
| 22:02.58 | solid_liq | and I've had other stupid issues with it |
| 22:03.01 | solid_liq | it's vfat |
| 22:03.14 | solid_liq | and no, I can't do anything about that |
| 22:03.21 | solid_liq | it's coming from my Canon camera |
| 22:03.38 | xeon-enouf | where's it mounted at? though doesn't really matter i suppose - i use /mnt/ to keep away from any DEs that use /media |
| 22:03.55 | solid_liq | in /media |
| 22:03.55 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: sure you can, scandsk.exe :-P |
| 22:04.03 | xeon-enouf | or fsck.vfat? |
| 22:04.14 | solid_liq | I can't mount it |
| 22:04.17 | xeon-enouf | check dmesg? |
| 22:04.23 | solid_liq | fsck.vfat won't do anything |
| 22:04.24 | solid_liq | yeah |
| 22:04.30 | solid_liq | it's assigned to /dev/sdc again |
| 22:04.35 | xeon-enouf | you could forcefsck it upon reboot if listed in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:04.42 | solid_liq | but I couldn't forcefully umount it before |
| 22:04.54 | solid_liq | I don't want to reboot to mount an sd card |
| 22:04.57 | solid_liq | that's stupid |
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| 22:05.11 | xeon-enouf | ls -l /dev/disk/* and rm any bad symlinks - then restart udev :-) .. try blkid, try "file -s /dev/sda1" |
| 22:05.16 | xeon-enouf | er sdc1 |
| 22:05.33 | solid_liq | how can I force it to umount it from before? umount -f isn't working |
| 22:05.41 | solid_liq | and fuser shows nothing using it |
| 22:05.53 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: always check with cat /proc/mounts, not 'mount' |
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| 22:06.18 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: are you perhaps trying to use iocharset=utf8 ? |
| 22:06.26 | xeon-enouf | er.. |
| 22:06.46 | solid_liq | you've got a xeon now? |
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| 22:07.01 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: an old Dual CPU p4 version, yep ;-) |
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| 22:07.08 | solid_liq | heh cool |
| 22:07.17 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: Dell Precision workstation ;-) |
| 22:07.24 | solid_liq | cool |
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| 22:07.30 | xeon-enouf | 530MT or something |
| 22:07.36 | czesmir | hi all |
| 22:07.41 | solid_liq | I'd love a dual quad workstation with HT |
| 22:07.44 | xeon-enouf | 1.7GHz x 2CPUs |
| 22:07.57 | solid_liq | not too bad |
| 22:08.03 | solid_liq | how's it compare to a modern dualcore? |
| 22:08.07 | xeon-enouf | well, HT is disabled in kernel for good reason :-P SMP trumps ;-) |
| 22:08.24 | xeon-enouf | dunno, don't have one of those :-0 |
| 22:08.29 | solid_liq | yeah, I've heard there were some perf. issues with HT |
| 22:08.43 | solid_liq | I'm on an old dualcore amd64 |
| 22:08.44 | helo_ | karsten: desktop |
| 22:08.52 | solid_liq | I bought it when dualcores first came out :) |
| 22:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, give up... that's really one of the cases where only reboot will get you back to a sane state.... |
| 22:08.57 | xeon-enouf | i've got my pII to compare to ;-) yes, there are/were ..disabling in BIOS usually helps |
| 22:08.58 | solid_liq | 2.0GHz |
| 22:09.11 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, that blows |
| 22:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, you can try forcing to unload all associated modules... |
| 22:09.20 | solid_liq | I also can't get my scanner to work |
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| 22:09.31 | solid_liq | it makes me think I may have to go back to ubuntu for my desktop distro |
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| 22:09.36 | xeon-enouf | has this amd64 3000+ s754 system he needs to finish putting together :-P |
| 22:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that just made the kernel crash when I tried it... |
| 22:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, that's got nothing to do with the distro... they all use a linux kernel, no? |
| 22:10.00 | solid_liq | I can't do much of an upgrade on the proc on this because the socket changed |
| 22:10.05 | solid_liq | so it's not worth getting a new proc |
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| 22:10.21 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, and they all have their own patches for the kernel, no? ;) |
| 22:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but those don't really change a lot... |
| 22:10.41 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, you're names appropriate ;) lol |
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| 22:11.01 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: turns out, old xeons (p4 era) of less than 1.8GHz have HT disabled, even though the cpu flag is present! |
| 22:11.04 | solid_liq | they change things that matter though |
| 22:11.08 | mederEsite | for some reason my user doesnt default to the $HOME directory, or its not set |
| 22:11.12 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, hmm |
| 22:11.14 | mederEsite | that's not common is it |
| 22:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you can always compile your own modules or use a kernel from another distro if you think that's the problem |
| 22:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt it, though |
| 22:11.25 | mederEsite | it seems like it was improperly configured/added. |
| 22:11.34 | solid_liq | pfft |
| 22:11.37 | solid_liq | too much work |
| 22:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but whenever a kernel module is fucked up, there's not much but reboot that you can do |
| 22:11.54 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2002-June/003037.html |
| 22:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2002? |
| 22:12.08 | solid_liq | I'm tired of doing shit like that; I've been using Linux too long to care about doing that stuff anymore. I've done it enough times already it just feels like work to do it now |
| 22:12.16 | solid_liq | it's lost its "cool factor" |
| 22:12.23 | solid_liq | 2000 |
| 22:12.41 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: your DE (HAL + DBUS + UDEV) are screwing your pooch :-p |
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| 22:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, my laziness has also increased lots... |
| 22:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | overall want things to "just work" out of the box |
| 22:13.07 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, hmm |
| 22:13.13 | solid_liq | yep |
| 22:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... you can always go to windows, where things "just don't work" |
| 22:13.18 | solid_liq | that's why I started liking ubuntu |
| 22:13.20 | solid_liq | lol |
| 22:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | even if you do try to fix them |
| 22:13.25 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: it's possible the usb subsystem is shot - or is that like IDE CFCard? |
| 22:13.28 | solid_liq | nah, ubuntu mostly works out of the box |
| 22:13.35 | solid_liq | USB card reader |
| 22:13.40 | mederEsite | can it be possible that my ssh key doesnt validate properly because my usernames $HOME directory is not the correct one? |
| 22:13.43 | solid_liq | built into the computer |
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| 22:13.49 | solid_liq | well, "built into" |
| 22:13.59 | xeon-enouf | yeah - youd have to reboot to reload usbcore / ohci_hcd , etc |
| 22:14.04 | xeon-enouf | IINM |
| 22:14.09 | solid_liq | yeah |
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| 22:14.15 | solid_liq | I have too many usb periphs |
| 22:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, you shouldn't be able to access the private key of someone else at all, actually |
| 22:14.22 | solid_liq | and my scanner isn't working |
| 22:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but apart from that... "yes" |
| 22:14.27 | solid_liq | it's a multifunction |
| 22:14.37 | xeon-enouf | yeah - sparkage - power surges , whatever |
| 22:14.38 | solid_liq | the printer is detected and works, but the scanner doesn't even show up |
| 22:14.43 | xeon-enouf | likely USBs fault |
| 22:14.45 | solid_liq | but it works without configuration on ubuntu |
| 22:14.47 | solid_liq | pisses me off |
| 22:14.48 | little_owl | Hello, how could I get an info about a package? Something similar to "yum info xyz.rpm". Thanks. |
| 22:14.52 | xeon-enouf | lmao |
| 22:15.03 | xeon-enouf | little_owl: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 22:15.04 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: er |
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| 22:15.11 | markybob | little_owl: apt-cache show foo |
| 22:15.12 | solid_liq | like, hp's own scanner utility can't even see the scanner |
| 22:15.13 | Multiply | Over samba, I can create new files, new directories, rename, and delete.. But I can't overwrite.. Why? |
| 22:15.14 | solid_liq | wtf |
| 22:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | little_owl, "dpkg -s package"? or apt-cache show package |
| 22:15.19 | xeon-enouf | for installed pkgs little_owl - or apt-cache show pkgname |
| 22:15.20 | orangebarcode | little_owl: aptitude show foo |
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| 22:15.42 | markybob | little_owl: packages.debian.org/foo :P |
| 22:15.44 | xeon-enouf | dang- you ppl type WAY too friggin fast |
| 22:15.48 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: my 'meder' username has its $HOME in /etc/passwd set to '/' .. i have a /home/meder directory and i did the ssh keygeneration in there.. but im thinking because my $HOME is '/' and not '/home/meder' it doesnt do proper authentication |
| 22:15.48 | solid_liq | all it sees is one of my two webcams (both use the same chip) as scanners |
| 22:15.50 | orangebarcode | haha |
| 22:15.52 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: keep in mind that ubuntu is based on debian sid. your scanner may require newer software than what's available in debian stable. |
| 22:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | xeon-enouf, :-P |
| 22:15.57 | little_owl | Thanks ... :-D |
| 22:15.57 | solid_liq | like I want to "scan" with my webcam |
| 22:16.04 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, the scanner is old |
| 22:16.08 | xeon-enouf | little_owl: /msg dpkg search (will help as well - install/use apt-file) |
| 22:16.12 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, and hplip knows the model |
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| 22:16.17 | cusco | hi |
| 22:16.33 | solid_liq | hell, it worked with ubuntu 6.04 |
| 22:16.35 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: are you using sane / xsane stuffs? |
| 22:16.39 | solid_liq | yep |
| 22:16.43 | cusco | editor with syntax hilighting .. grafical.. like gedit but with less dependencies? |
| 22:16.47 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: does it work with current ubuntu releases? |
| 22:16.53 | solid_liq | sane/xsane/quiteinsane and hplip |
| 22:16.57 | xeon-enouf | tried as root? If the device doesn't even appear, your USb is shot |
| 22:17.01 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, it even works with old ubuntu releases |
| 22:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, why would you have "/" as home anyway? That sounds weird - yes... probably try "ssh -v -v -v host" or so to see all the gruesome details |
| 22:17.12 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, my usb is fine |
| 22:17.14 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: yes, you said that. |
| 22:17.20 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: i mean the modules ... |
| 22:17.23 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, yes, and with new ones |
| 22:17.30 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: the server admin i believe set it up improperly. |
| 22:17.37 | mederEsite | hm. |
| 22:17.39 | solid_liq | I had ubuntu 9.04 on a laptop, and it worked fine with it |
| 22:17.39 | mederEsite | why 3 -v's? |
| 22:17.48 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: might have a couple of USB Host controllers - one is corrupted? |
| 22:17.49 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: then it should work with debian. are you certain you have the necessary software? |
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| 22:17.57 | solid_liq | of course, 9.04 is unstable as hell though |
| 22:18.06 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, heh yep |
| 22:18.09 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: wow.. |
| 22:18.13 | mederEsite | lots of stuff. |
| 22:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, ... complain to him - that should actually break a lot of things |
| 22:18.20 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: does it show up if you run lsusb? |
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| 22:18.27 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: stop bitching and try other USB ports - the ones with working USB devices |
| 22:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, of course for now you can just export HOME=/home/meder (or whatever) |
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| 22:19.07 | cusco | please...? |
| 22:19.10 | mederEsite | hah! |
| 22:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, if it repeatedly works with the ubuntu kernel, but not with a debian one, find out what's cause of the trouble and write a bugreport? |
| 22:19.27 | xeon-enouf | cusco: please ask ... be specific |
| 22:19.28 | mederEsite | but i guess that's not permanent and only stored for a session |
| 22:19.30 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, yep |
| 22:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | do your good deed of the day |
| 22:19.38 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, it's built into the machine |
| 22:19.45 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, it plugs directly into the mobo |
| 22:19.53 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: -v -v -v actually helps.. i think i can debug it now |
| 22:19.57 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, it WAS working before |
| 22:19.59 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: what? |
| 22:20.00 | mederEsite | I had no clue what it was doin gbefore |
| 22:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, no... you should definitely whip him for a / "home" directory |
| 22:20.14 | mederEsite | yes i'm doing that too |
| 22:20.14 | cusco | xeon-enouf: I did |
| 22:20.17 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, I unplugged the card, plugged it in, repeat, repeat, repeat, and now it won't mount |
| 22:20.24 | CrystalA | so I downloaded the latest debian net install image and started the install, when it got to choosing a mirror for apt I keep getting a "The selected mirror does not contain a valid release file" error. Any ideas? |
| 22:20.26 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: in that case, have you tried a different usb port, swapping usb cable, etc? |
| 22:20.30 | CrystalA | it does it for all mirrors. |
| 22:20.30 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: you can use -vvv no need for -v -v -v |
| 22:20.32 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, because I can't umount the previous mount |
| 22:20.35 | PinkFreud | mount? one does not mount a scanner. |
| 22:20.36 | solid_liq | lol |
| 22:20.43 | solid_liq | oh the scanner |
| 22:20.46 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: I requested the admin to fix it :p |
| 22:20.47 | solid_liq | I was talking about the sd card |
| 22:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, "grep $USER /etc/passwd" really shows you "/" as your home? If $HOME is not accessibl, you'll also be dropped into "/" as your home |
| 22:20.56 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, I can print to it just fine |
| 22:20.58 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: dmesg! for SD-Card! |
| 22:21.05 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, did that |
| 22:21.11 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. and it does it for several other users |
| 22:21.11 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, FAT panics |
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| 22:21.20 | xeon-enouf | switches gameplay back to inSANE scanner |
| 22:21.24 | themill | cusco: gvim, kwrite, elvis, kate, ... there are many |
| 22:21.30 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: not good ;-) |
| 22:21.36 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, yep |
| 22:21.55 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: what software are you using to access the scanner? |
| 22:21.55 | xeon-enouf | cusco: sorry - i missed it |
| 22:21.59 | solid_liq | kernel version: 2.6.26-2-openvz-686 |
| 22:22.04 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 22:22.05 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, sane |
| 22:22.07 | cusco | themill: box only has X no gtk no nothing.. I I would like to keep it that way, so the less libs I would have to install the better |
| 22:22.19 | cusco | Ill try and search harder... |
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| 22:22.19 | cusco | :p |
| 22:22.20 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: meder:x:534:534::/:/bin/bash |
| 22:22.20 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, sane/xsane/quiteinsane and hplip |
| 22:22.21 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: have you tried running sane as root? |
| 22:22.28 | solid_liq | yep |
| 22:22.34 | PinkFreud | and? |
| 22:22.44 | xeon-enouf | cusco: vim? |
| 22:22.46 | cusco | oh actually it has qt.. so I will go for kate or krwite |
| 22:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, yeah, that looks wrong... |
| 22:22.55 | valdyn | mederEsite: why do you have a user id below 1000 ? |
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| 22:22.59 | cusco | xeon-enouf: I did not master vim yet.. :P |
| 22:23.00 | mederEsite | valdyn: No idea. |
| 22:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there is no "chhome" so you could fix it" |
| 22:23.05 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, output from sane-find-scanner: |
| 22:23.05 | valdyn | mederEsite: how did you add that user? |
| 22:23.05 | cusco | I always use nano |
| 22:23.07 | cusco | heh |
| 22:23.10 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: you should not |
| 22:23.10 | mederEsite | valdyn: I didn't. |
| 22:23.14 | solid_liq | found USB scanner (vendor=0x0451 [Texas Instruments Incorporated], product=0xe001 [TI-GRAPH LINK USB]) at libusb:002:007 |
| 22:23.15 | solid_liq | found USB scanner (vendor=0x041e [Creative Labs], product=0x4067 [VF0350 Live! Cam Video IM]) at libusb:001:006 |
| 22:23.16 | xeon-enouf | !groups |
| 22:23.16 | dpkg | methinks groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 22:23.17 | valdyn | mederEsite: which idiot did? |
| 22:23.17 | mederEsite | I didn't add that user. My admin did. |
| 22:23.22 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: read that |
| 22:23.22 | solid_liq | heh, found my webcams |
| 22:23.24 | solid_liq | wow |
| 22:23.25 | valdyn | mederEsite: is that a debian system? |
| 22:23.32 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 22:23.46 | mederEsite | i think its an old old etch or something |
| 22:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, perhaps time to introduce him to the wonderful world of "useradd" |
| 22:23.53 | mederEsite | its quite old, def. not lenny/sid |
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| 22:24.03 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: might want to try "udevcontrol reload_rules" or something |
| 22:24.03 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: and which usb device does the scanner show up on? |
| 22:24.14 | valdyn | mederEsite: look at /etc/adduser.conf, that should tell you proper ids to use |
| 22:24.25 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: is Lenny still using udevcontrol? use --help |
| 22:24.28 | valdyn | mederEsite: and that is 1000+ |
| 22:24.59 | valdyn | mederEsite: maybe you should talk to the admin |
| 22:25.08 | solid_liq | I don't have udevcontrol installed |
| 22:25.20 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: man udev[tab][tab] |
| 22:25.21 | mederEsite | yes, i requested it from the admin but while he's doing that i'm just curious |
| 22:25.21 | xeon-enouf | oh |
| 22:25.28 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: pgrep udevd |
| 22:25.32 | xeon-enouf | anything return? |
| 22:25.37 | solid_liq | udevinfo udevadm |
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| 22:25.47 | xeon-enouf | ok, then man udevadm |
| 22:25.50 | solid_liq | yeah, it's there |
| 22:25.50 | valdyn | mederEsite: maybe he doesnt know that debian uses adduser, unlike redhat |
| 22:25.59 | xeon-enouf | it's in there solid_liq how to run --reload-rules |
| 22:26.13 | PinkFreud | valdyn: redhat has adduser. it's just symlinked to useradd. :P |
| 22:26.21 | valdyn | mederEsite: now you probably dont even have a /home/meder |
| 22:26.26 | mederEsite | heh |
| 22:26.27 | valdyn | PinkFreud: ah, I didnt know that |
| 22:26.30 | xeon-enouf | man useradd ; /etc/default/useradd |
| 22:26.44 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: again, what usb device does your scanner show up on? |
| 22:26.46 | mederEsite | valdyn: why? because he potentially recreated it? |
| 22:27.22 | xeon-enouf | getent passwd | grep username ? |
| 22:27.28 | valdyn | mederEsite: plain useradd does not create a home directory iirc |
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| 22:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, you can correct part of that using chfn/chsh (well, you got bash as a shell that should be ok) |
| 22:27.57 | PinkFreud | valdyn: it does if configured to via login.defs (iirc) |
| 22:28.06 | CodeNinja | is there a way to create a live cd from a debian install within a virtualbox? |
| 22:28.13 | valdyn | PinkFreud: yea, i only mean to talk about the debian default |
| 22:28.15 | xeon-enouf | !debian-live |
| 22:28.15 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). |
| 22:28.37 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: also .. maybe bootcd pkg |
| 22:28.37 | PinkFreud | valdyn: you can always add -m to useradd to force home directory creation |
| 22:28.47 | valdyn | PinkFreud: sure, i know |
| 22:28.58 | valdyn | PinkFreud: but his $HOME is /, that's telling |
| 22:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, chfn should allow you to add a "real name" to the entry, though :) surprise your admin with it |
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| 22:29.11 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, gah, lemme check |
| 22:29.19 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: no clue what you're instructing me to do.. let me re-read that aghem |
| 22:29.34 | xeon-enouf | aghem == phlegm :-p |
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| 22:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mederEsite, just try running "chfn" from the command line - it should ask you your name and other data and add it to your /etc/passwd entry |
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| 22:30.01 | mederEsite | CutMeOwnThroat: re-enter my credentials and reset stuff with chfn basically? |
| 22:30.03 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, Bus 003 Device 008: ID 03f0:5b11 |
| 22:30.03 | mederEsite | ok |
| 22:30.22 | ukl | this seems wrong, could someone please explain to me why "nvidia-glx" conflicts with xorg? |
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| 22:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | just hit enter for stuff you don't want known |
| 22:30.35 | valdyn | ukl: it doesnt |
| 22:30.37 | CrystalA | quit |
| 22:30.51 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: ls -l /dev/disk/* ffs already :-p |
| 22:31.05 | ukl | valdyn: well, it shouldn't but aptitude just told me and wants me to get rid of lots of xorg stuff because of this |
| 22:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ukl, it doesn't? apt-cache show nvidia-glx |grep -i onflic ----> Conflicts: nvidia-glx-dev (<< 1.0.8774-5), nvidia-glx-src |
| 22:31.13 | xeon-enouf | wait .. for a scanner? heh |
| 22:31.15 | mederEsite | it did ask me for some information ( name, office, home phone ) but it didnt alter /etc/passwd |
| 22:31.19 | neant | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6uh1Q_D_XU |
| 22:31.23 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, k, and? |
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| 22:31.35 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, nah, for sdc1: 2EF2-1747 |
| 22:31.36 | valdyn | ukl: nvidia-glx is not the direct cause |
| 22:31.47 | timonator | hello friends. i am having a problem with my newly installed debian lenny (debootstrapped it with grml): i have a backported kernel and initrd tools and my root partition is ext4. upon boot, the initrd tries to mount the root partition as ext3 and fails with error code 240. when i mount it manually from the initrd shell, it works problemlessly. how can i make the initrd boot it as ext4 automatically? |
| 22:31.49 | ukl | valdyn: something with xserver-xorg-video-2 that it provides conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-all or something... |
| 22:31.49 | valdyn | ukl: you need to look into this deeper or let us look into this deeper |
| 22:31.51 | xeon-enouf | that's by-uuid .. not an issue |
| 22:31.55 | timonator | i hope that didn't get cut off? |
| 22:32.21 | xeon-enouf | timonator: grub1 doesn't do ext4 |
| 22:32.22 | solid_liq | starting out saying, "hello friends" makes you sound like a con artist, timonator |
| 22:32.35 | timonator | xeon-enouf: /boot is ext3 and i have grub2 |
| 22:32.38 | xeon-enouf | !tell timonator -about grub2 squeeze |
| 22:32.43 | xeon-enouf | !tell timonator -about ext4 |
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| 22:32.47 | xeon-enouf | oh |
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| 22:32.58 | xeon-enouf | sucks |
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| 22:33.02 | ukl | valdyn: xserver-xorg-core collides with xserver-xorg-video-2 (provided by nvidia-glx 173.14.09-5) |
| 22:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:33.11 | timonator | heh ;) |
| 22:33.16 | timonator | another clue? |
| 22:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, hello friend, may I interest you in a saussage inna bun |
| 22:33.23 | timonator | do i need to backport anything else? |
| 22:33.25 | solid_liq | now wtf |
| 22:33.37 | lindenle | my xorg is borked bad...anyone know why it takes 100% CPU when changing windows? |
| 22:33.48 | solid_liq | I rebooted the printer a few times, and finally sane-detect-scanner sees it... BUT, xsane DOESN'T |
| 22:33.54 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, lol |
| 22:33.54 | xeon-enouf | timonator: place ext4 in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ; update-initramfs |
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| 22:34.20 | timonator | oh neat tip, i will try that |
| 22:34.30 | valdyn | ukl: try aptitude why |
| 22:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, ... did you look at http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto ? |
| 22:34.47 | valdyn | ukl: and we cant help you if you dont give us the complete command and complete output of the command |
| 22:34.49 | xeon-enouf | timonator: but - backported kernel? does it have 'ext4dev' or 'ext4' module? |
| 22:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... "Add "ext4" to INITRD_MODULES in /etc/sysconfig/kernel " seems to be quite an important prequisite... |
| 22:35.06 | timonator | xeon-enouf: could i mount the root manually if it did not? |
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| 22:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously the module for your file system is something you need to load from initrd before you mount the fs |
| 22:35.31 | valdyn | ukl: and your sources.list |
| 22:35.33 | xeon-enouf | CodeNinja: that's a kernel-package / make-kpkg thing .. wait! ...that RH! |
| 22:35.37 | xeon-enouf | sysconfig? |
| 22:35.40 | timonator | CutMeOwnThroat: i do not have a sysconfig in my /etc |
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| 22:35.45 | xeon-enouf | bah CutMeOwnThroat .. not CodeNinja |
| 22:35.45 | Polarina | I just installed apache2, is there a simple way to fix the DoS issue arrised by slowloris? |
| 22:35.55 | xeon-enouf | timonator: you never will ;-) |
| 22:35.59 | timonator | i see. |
| 22:36.07 | CodeNinja | :P |
| 22:36.21 | ukl | valdyn: I'm trying to re-install nvidia-glx (somehow my upgrade (testing) just got rid of it) using aptitude and it tells me that the only solution to the mentioned conflict was to remove xorg, xserver-xorg-core etc |
| 22:36.21 | darko | hello. nvidia-glx conficts with xserver-xorg. so i cannot have both. how can i install older version of xserver? |
| 22:36.24 | CodeNinja | and I thought you had something for me |
| 22:36.26 | xeon-enouf | timonator: newer make-kpkg / kernel-package need entries in /etc/kernel/ |
| 22:36.26 | ukl | valdyn: aptitude why <package>; I don't know which package ----- |
| 22:36.29 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: you may want to increase the verbosity of sane-find-scanner to figure out why it's missing your scanner |
| 22:36.31 | solid_liq | why the hell don't the stupid sane frontends give you a way to do anything about the device selection? wtf |
| 22:36.32 | ukl | darko just ran into the same issue! |
| 22:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, argh, pasted the wrong (non-debian) line - still - did you make sure the ext4 module is available from initrd? |
| 22:36.43 | timonator | xeon-enouf: ah, but i downloaded a kernel binary image package |
| 22:36.43 | xeon-enouf | timonator: for proper initrd generation |
| 22:36.48 | darko | ukl, have you resolved it? |
| 22:36.58 | ukl | darko: unfortunately not |
| 22:37.01 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, no no no, it now detects it... however, the sane frontends (xsane, quiteinstane, xscanimage) DON'T see it |
| 22:37.09 | timonator | i will see what adding ext4 to the initrd module list did |
| 22:37.09 | xeon-enouf | timonator: once booted; uname -r ; modprobe -l | grep ext4 |
| 22:37.16 | darko | ukl, maybe you can try to install older version of package |
| 22:37.19 | timonator | thanks so much for being nice |
| 22:37.20 | ukl | darko: I'm just glad it's not something I messed up all alone |
| 22:37.20 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: oh? what changed? |
| 22:37.21 | themill | ukl: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 22:37.26 | ukl | themill: thanks :) |
| 22:37.30 | darko | ukl, but i dont know how to do it |
| 22:37.32 | xeon-enouf | timonator: i'm drinking ;-) |
| 22:37.36 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, I rebooted the printer 3 times, and now it finally sees the scanner on it |
| 22:37.44 | xeon-enouf | timonator: once i stop, i might not be so nice :-P |
| 22:37.47 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 22:37.48 | PinkFreud | amusing. |
| 22:37.54 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, not really |
| 22:38.00 | darko | ukl, you probably upgraded, and suddenly the versions of glx and xorg conflicts |
| 22:38.00 | PinkFreud | that does appear to indicate a hardware issue, rather than software. |
| 22:38.01 | solid_liq | more like annoying |
| 22:38.14 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: "rebooted the printer" LMAFAO |
| 22:38.15 | solid_liq | no, it works fine with other machines |
| 22:38.20 | ukl | darko: Do what themill just said, /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 22:38.28 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, it has a CPU in it, so yes, I rebooted it |
| 22:38.29 | timonator | xeon-enouf: pleaso don't stop drinking! you will die :( |
| 22:38.37 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: ... |
| 22:38.38 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: and yet, you had to restart the printer multiple times to get it to show up. |
| 22:38.40 | ukl | darko: probably this will fix it. I'll have a go tomorrow. |
| 22:38.45 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: you mean RAM, right? |
| 22:38.47 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: what does that tell you? |
| 22:38.54 | timonator | uname -r is 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 22:39.07 | xeon-enouf | timonator: ok, grep the config if you like then |
| 22:39.10 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, the usb subsystem is flaky |
| 22:39.16 | xeon-enouf | or ,... as i said earlier |
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| 22:39.29 | xeon-enouf | not sure what the BPO kernel has done with ext4 |
| 22:39.31 | solid_liq | xeon-enouf, no, I mean CPU with embedded firmware. I've done embedded systems programming before; I know about that stuff |
| 22:39.36 | timonator | modprobe -l lists ext4.ko |
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| 22:39.43 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: toss that POS ;-) |
| 22:39.47 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: is it, now? do your other usb devices flake out too? |
| 22:39.48 | solid_liq | pfft |
| 22:39.53 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 22:39.54 | solid_liq | it works fine on other distros |
| 22:39.59 | xeon-enouf | timonator: ok, then add ext4 to where i mentioned .. etc |
| 22:40.00 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, nope |
| 22:40.04 | darko | ok |
| 22:40.09 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, my mice are very reliable |
| 22:40.10 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: thanks! |
| 22:40.17 | DelphiWorld | chellomere: i got a very good tutorial |
| 22:40.21 | solid_liq | my webcam is fine too |
| 22:40.26 | DelphiWorld | http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 22:40.26 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: I'd recommend checking that AIW again on another distro, if you're so certain. |
| 22:40.29 | darko | anyone can help me with issue of removing recent version of xorg and installing an older one? |
| 22:40.34 | solid_liq | it's SANE actually probably, not usb |
| 22:40.37 | PinkFreud | my guess is that it's hardware. |
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| 22:40.48 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, I just used it yesterday with a different distro |
| 22:40.51 | timonator | xeon-enouf: i already did |
| 22:40.53 | xeon-enouf | solid_liq: or udev |
| 22:40.55 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, and it was off since then |
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| 22:41.00 | timonator | it also shows up in initramfs/conf/modules |
| 22:41.06 | valdyn | darko: are you trying to use a debian/stable nvidia driver on squeeze? |
| 22:41.17 | solid_liq | heh squeeze |
| 22:41.22 | solid_liq | stupid name for a distro I think |
| 22:41.25 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: that doesn't rule flaky hardware out. |
| 22:41.35 | darko | valdyn, no. i am using sid version of nvidia and xorg |
| 22:41.40 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: no stupider than lenny, etch, sarge, potato... |
| 22:41.40 | solid_liq | PinkFreud, it's been perfectly reliable |
| 22:41.55 | timonator | i am endlessly frustrated at the moment, so sorry if i miss something obvious. xeon-enouf, did i mention, that i can mount the root fs from the initrd just fine with -t ext4? |
| 22:41.55 | solid_liq | potato sure |
| 22:42.00 | solid_liq | sid is funny |
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| 22:42.06 | solid_liq | lenny, etch and sarge are just odd |
| 22:42.07 | timonator | i mean when i manually input it into the initrd shell |
| 22:42.09 | xeon-enouf | timonator: that's good |
| 22:42.16 | xeon-enouf | here, all i have is /tmp/initrd-30$ cat conf/modules |
| 22:42.16 | xeon-enouf | unix |
| 22:42.16 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: of course, all of these names are taken from Toy Story. |
| 22:42.18 | timonator | not good enough i fear |
| 22:42.35 | xeon-enouf | timonator: yes |
| 22:42.52 | xeon-enouf | we are trying to have it automount, on boot, right? |
| 22:43.02 | timonator | yes, inside the initrd |
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| 22:43.21 | valdyn | darko: for all i know sid's nvidia and xorg work just fine |
| 22:43.21 | timonator | because it first fails to mount /, then all the others (sys and proc) |
| 22:43.36 | CodeNinja | will ia64 work for both intel and amd 64bit? |
| 22:43.43 | xeon-enouf | timonator: let's see /etc/fstab |
| 22:43.48 | darko | valdyn, ok. i just reviewed. i am using squeeze |
| 22:43.55 | xeon-enouf | timonator: and "tries to mount the root partition as ext3 and fails with error code 240." <-- have you googled that? |
| 22:44.01 | valdyn | darko: i cant help you without at least the outputs of your aptitude commands that file, the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
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| 22:44.15 | valdyn | !nvidia squeeze |
| 22:44.16 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 22:44.22 | valdyn | darko: or just read that ^^ |
| 22:44.32 | xeon-enouf | timonator: debootstrap from a GRML.org livecd boot might be somehow ..er .. problematic? :-P |
| 22:44.52 | timonator | how? |
| 22:44.56 | darko | valdyn, ok. i will try, and later, i will talk to you again. thnx |
| 22:45.15 | xeon-enouf | timonator: did you ever install grub yet? and boot into debian? |
| 22:45.20 | timonator | yes! |
| 22:45.25 | darko | valdyn, i think it works now |
| 22:45.31 | timonator | how else would i be supposed to get the initrd shell?! |
| 22:45.34 | xeon-enouf | ok, then ... so what happens now? |
| 22:45.35 | PinkFreud | solid_liq: you can always look at /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane* |
| 22:45.37 | timonator | it boots through grub |
| 22:45.44 | timonator | and then the initrd script complains |
| 22:45.49 | xeon-enouf | timonator: so, the update-initramfs didn't help? |
| 22:45.54 | timonator | nope |
| 22:46.10 | xeon-enouf | timonator: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` once booted - this is odd |
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| 22:46.42 | wamty_ | is etch's utils even 2.6 compat? |
| 22:46.47 | xeon-enouf | timonator: you might need some debian-boot mailing list help .. wait, you're using grub2? .. hrm |
| 22:46.47 | wamty_ | like modutils? |
| 22:46.56 | timonator | oh god |
| 22:47.18 | wamty_ | ? |
| 22:47.19 | timonator | i promised mom i'd have the laptop up and running for her next morning and it's 0047 now |
| 22:47.28 | PinkFreud | anyway, need to disappear |
| 22:47.47 | solid_liq | wtf |
| 22:47.58 | xeon-enouf | timonator: where's your /etc/fstab and the relevant /etc/grub.d/* file info? how about /boot/grub/grub.cfg (though that's not supposed to be edited via users?) |
| 22:47.59 | solid_liq | I can't even access my memory card by plugging my camera into my computer |
| 22:48.13 | xeon-enouf | timonator: wanna whine? i'll stop now |
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| 22:48.20 | timonator | you sure grub even has remotely anything at all to do with it? |
| 22:48.26 | xeon-enouf | joins PinkFreud |
| 22:48.29 | timonator | because it gets from grub into the initrd just fine |
| 22:49.12 | xeon-enouf | no info begets no info |
| 22:49.30 | timonator | what do you need to know about the fstab? |
| 22:49.41 | xeon-enouf | no info begets no info |
| 22:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | xeon-enouf, ah, a variant of the shit-in-shit-out rule :) |
| 22:49.48 | xeon-enouf | actually goes |
| 22:50.00 | timonator | heh, ok, bye :\ |
| 22:50.46 | timonator | oh, is that "rename hard drives to hda* even though the kernel has been calling all of them sda* for a long time" patch stil in the backported kernel i have? |
| 22:50.54 | solid_liq | man, 2 hours wasted trying to get my scanner working and dealing with not being able to read sd cards |
| 22:51.04 | solid_liq | debian is definitely not a desktop distro |
| 22:51.34 | solid_liq | I'll migrate my openvz containers to my server and use a better desktop distro |
| 22:51.40 | mederEsite | such as? |
| 22:51.47 | solid_liq | heh ubuntu :P |
| 22:51.54 | neant | irix |
| 22:52.07 | solid_liq | after 9 years of using Linux, I'm tired of manually configuring shit |
| 22:52.08 | streuner | hrhr |
| 22:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahh, irix |
| 22:52.45 | mederEsite | i would think you'd be more fluent if you spent 9 years using linux |
| 22:52.52 | mederEsite | unless it was on and off or something |
| 22:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 22:53.02 | solid_liq | mederEsite, not with dealing with scanner/sdcard issues |
| 22:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's people and there's people |
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| 22:53.23 | solid_liq | reboots damnit |
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| 22:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess if your major strategy of fixing a bug consists in installing another distro, your learning curve isn't very steep over the years? |
| 22:53.42 | timonator | now i will turn my ext4 into a ext3 (by resizing magically) and be done with it |
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| 22:54.15 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, I used slackware, gentoo and debian... and I've helped tons of people in Linux... I don't sit around "installing other distros" |
| 22:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, probably good plan for now if that is something described as working well... you can always try and convert it back to ext4 sometime later |
| 22:54.37 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm just tired of all the manual configuration bullshit because people are too lazy to put the professional touches on |
| 22:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say you did, if you read carefully |
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| 22:54.48 | timonator | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. that's what i thought |
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| 22:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I've seen plenty of people on which this description fits rather well |
| 22:55.07 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, you implied, how subtle! you must be very proud of yourself! |
| 22:55.15 | timonator | but since the poor laptop will not be used for much except solitaire and skype (gasp, evil software!) |
| 22:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that's CutMeOwnThroats moms little kid, all subtitles... |
| 22:55.44 | solid_liq | anyway, I have way too much to do to mess with this manually anyway, even if I felt like doing it any more |
| 22:56.07 | solid_liq | reboot time |
| 22:56.10 | bpun | solid_liq, you obviously are a wimp |
| 22:56.21 | solid_liq | bpun, bite me. I'm a coder, not an admin |
| 22:56.41 | solid_liq | I think admin work is for those who are afraid to delve into C++ like a real man |
| 22:56.45 | Wyzard | How is SD card support desktop-related? |
| 22:56.46 | bpun | solid_liq, even if someone uses a machine for 20 years.. doesn't mean anything.. |
| 22:56.49 | Wyzard | That sounds like a driver problem |
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| 22:57.06 | solid_liq | ugh |
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| 22:57.13 | Wyzard | Switching to a "desktop distro" isn't likely to make a difference |
| 22:57.13 | solid_liq | Wyzard, because you don't use sdcards on servers |
| 22:57.16 | bpun | solid_liq, you still a click head |
| 22:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I guess you don't plug too many SD cards into servers? |
| 22:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:57.24 | streuner | hm, he didnt learn in 9 years to look, is the hardware supported or not |
| 22:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, I'm psychic, if a bit slow on typing |
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| 22:57.34 | solid_liq | streuner, lol |
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| 22:57.38 | streuner | Wyzard: prolly |
| 22:57.41 | timonator | you could run a server on sd cards. they are like ssd! |
| 22:57.48 | solid_liq | streuner, it was working, now it's not until I reboot. that's LAME |
| 22:57.49 | timonator | it would be totally fast, trust me! |
| 22:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, yeah, but you don't plug those in and out all the time, so probably not so much of a problem |
| 22:58.06 | Wyzard | solid_liq: sure, but if you have a reader and it has no working driver, switching to another distro wouldn't help (unless you're switching to a newer kernel in the process, maybe) |
| 22:58.16 | solid_liq | it works fine in ubuntu |
| 22:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, that's done these days... "solid state drives" ... |
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| 22:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think jpinx's eeepc has an ssd drive |
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| 22:58.37 | streuner | solid_liq: that just happen, if you are using not stable |
| 22:58.38 | yassine | anyone of you guys knows how to get vim-full without vim-gnome ? |
| 22:58.46 | bpun | timonator, did u do apt-get upgrade, and then you started having boot issues? |
| 22:58.49 | timonator | CutMeOwnThroat: but ssd is much more expensive than sd card readers!!!! |
| 22:58.51 | valdyn | yassine: install vim-nox |
| 22:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | which technically is pretty much the same as a couple of SD cards glued together |
| 22:58.53 | Wyzard | solid_liq: Ubuntu is using a newer kernel than lenny; you could try using one of the backports kernels |
| 22:58.54 | solid_liq | Wyzard, this computer is 4 years old, never had a prob. with the sd card reader or scanner until I started using debian as a desktop on here (before I couldn't even find a debian install disc that worked) |
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| 22:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, is it?! |
| 22:59.09 | solid_liq | Wyzard, ubuntu 8.04 is using a newer kernel? |
| 22:59.10 | valdyn | yassine: -full has depends like -scripts, you can grab those seperately |
| 22:59.10 | timonator | bpun: no, i done debootstrap and got the problems |
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| 22:59.17 | solid_liq | Wyzard, and 6.04? |
| 22:59.17 | timonator | CutMeOwnThroat: IM SUAR |
| 22:59.18 | Wyzard | solid_liq: oh, nm, I assumed 9.04 |
| 22:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I AM SUGAR! |
| 22:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 22:59.30 | bpun | recently did aptitude/apt-get upgrade (to 5.0.3 lenny, and later had to boot into rescue to change the kernel bootline to another hd# for grub's conf) |
| 22:59.33 | timonator | because all the hobby fotographers use it all teh tiem!!kk |
| 22:59.37 | timonator | stpos being silly |
| 22:59.42 | solid_liq | wtf, now it's only letting me use xchat after I hit reboot, and it's not rebooting... |
| 22:59.48 | solid_liq | hits ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 22:59.54 | yassine | valdyn, thanks nox is exactly what i was looking for |
| 22:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hits solid_liq |
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| 23:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | worx for me |
| 23:00.16 | timonator | ok great |
| 23:00.25 | timonator | shrinking the hard drive made it go boom |
| 23:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I booted him |
| 23:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | timonator, backups! |
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| 23:00.55 | streuner | hopefully new distro :-) |
| 23:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could've copied everything to an 8GB SD card |
| 23:00.56 | timonator | no actually not |
| 23:01.00 | bpun | timonator, you shrinked the harddrive? |
| 23:01.02 | timonator | it survived |
| 23:01.08 | timonator | bpun: yeah, with my shrink ray |
| 23:01.08 | bpun | timonator, what's that supposed to mean |
| 23:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool |
| 23:01.31 | bpun | timonator, you said you're using ext4.. u shrank ext4? |
| 23:01.38 | timonator | yep, i did |
| 23:01.49 | timonator | got a problem with that? i can shrink all day long if i want to!! |
| 23:01.56 | timonator | is being silly obviously |
| 23:01.59 | timonator | should i stop? |
| 23:02.00 | bpun | timonator, so is that safe or what? i guess shrinking any ext4 fs isnt safe.. |
| 23:02.11 | timonator | why should it not be safe? |
| 23:02.45 | timonator | anyway, the partition survived (well, the data did) so i am happy |
| 23:02.47 | bpun | timonator, i bet your mom can install linux and boot things better htan you can.. |
| 23:02.55 | timonator | i am sure |
| 23:03.14 | timonator | as she would probably not debootstrap from some livecd |
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| 23:03.16 | bpun | timonator, all she has to do install windows on the whole hardrrive, then run debian.exe, then voila.. you have dual boot |
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| 23:03.54 | bpun | timonator, heck she doesnt even need your winbloze.. just use the whole space for linux.. |
| 23:04.29 | timonator | heh. |
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| 23:06.11 | SSolutions | Is Debian IA64 stable? I have a 1U itanium-based server, and want to install Linux to run some critical services, and would like to install the most up-to-date distro.. I'm still deciding between centos and debian.. Any input? |
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| 23:06.50 | markybob | SSolutions: debian is never the most up-to-date distro. ever |
| 23:07.06 | markybob | SSolutions: that's why it's rock solid |
| 23:07.53 | SSolutions | I see.. |
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| 23:08.22 | clarjon1 | got a question... |
| 23:08.44 | themill | SSolutions: centos is a bit more of a moving target in my experience, bumping versions of applications on you at each update. |
| 23:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the very definition of stable implies that you don't change packages to newer versions all the time |
| 23:08.51 | petemc | SSolutions: critical services and most up to date are kinda mutually exclusive |
| 23:09.02 | clarjon1 | why does the fontconfigcache need to be regenerated after EVERY SINGLE TTF file when installing abunch of ttfs? |
| 23:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, ha, beat you to it |
| 23:09.12 | petemc | :) |
| 23:09.40 | NoCode | What versions of gstreamer and farsight packages do I need when compiling pidgin in Lenny? |
| 23:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you get extra points for using "mutually exclusive" |
| 23:09.47 | clarjon1 | instead of installing them all, then regenerating the cache at the end? |
| 23:10.08 | SSolutions | I mean.. I want to install something that won't give me headaches(installing hardware and stuff), and that will give me some experience/help my resume (in case I want to work w/ Linux in the future..).. |
| 23:10.33 | clarjon1 | SSolutions: Learning Causes Headaches, didn't you notice that in school? lol |
| 23:10.46 | SSolutions | you're right.. |
| 23:11.00 | bpun | CutMeOwnThroat, pidgin is avail on debian.. you can even do apt-cache show pidgin to show depends.. |
| 23:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say ANYTHING about pidgin, though! |
| 23:11.27 | clarjon1 | CutMeOwnThroat: you just did, now! |
| 23:11.30 | SSolutions | but is there a strong reason why I should choose debian over centos? I mean, people keep telling me CentOs would be a better option due to it being based on RH, which is the biggest distro used in companies etc.. |
| 23:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was NoCode |
| 23:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | clarjon1, damn you, you guys tricked me! |
| 23:11.48 | markybob | !tell SSolutions -about why debian |
| 23:12.02 | bpun | NoCode, ^ |
| 23:12.16 | bpun | NoCode, pidgin is already avail on debian |
| 23:12.36 | NoCode | I know it's available, but the version isn't up to date. |
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| 23:13.26 | themill | judd versions pidgin |
| 23:13.26 | judd | themill: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 23:13.37 | bpun | NoCode, the one on bpo is 2.5.9 .. |
| 23:13.40 | themill | judd versions pidgin --release amd64 |
| 23:13.40 | judd | themill: pidgin -- |
| 23:13.45 | themill | judd versions pidgin --arch amd64 |
| 23:13.45 | judd | themill: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3+b1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 23:14.07 | NoCode | hmm |
| 23:14.43 | simonrvn | outta volatile |
| 23:14.53 | simonrvn | or bpo |
| 23:15.05 | simonrvn | still old though |
| 23:15.23 | simonrvn | oh nm... was confused... |
| 23:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | volatile'll have too high a gas pressure |
| 23:16.02 | clarjon1 | NGGGH |
| 23:16.04 | clarjon1 | stupid thing |
| 23:16.07 | themill | NoCode: : 2.6.2 should be available from lenny-backports RSN |
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| 23:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | SSolutions, for me "I don't like redhead much" (and specially rpm) would be a good reason to choose debian over anything redhat-based |
| 23:16.45 | clarjon1 | does not like how slow it is regenerating the font cache after each ttf is isntalled >.> |
| 23:16.48 | clarjon1 | *installed |
| 23:16.56 | themill | clarjon1: how are you installing these fonts? |
| 23:17.02 | clarjon1 | themill: apt-get |
| 23:18.55 | timonator | copying that little amount of data takes surprisingly long :( |
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| 23:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | admittedly my distaste comes from pre-yum times when there was no automatic resolving dependencies... and I've never looked back after going to apt |
| 23:19.19 | bpun | I use gnome-settings-daemon when i login to kde (use of autostart folder), are there any other gnome-like helpers i should know about? my icedove (thunderbird) email client lags when i scroll the message lists.. |
| 23:19.57 | simonrvn | it does the font cache ever time a font is processed... kinda dumb way to do it. having some smarter processing would help. |
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| 23:20.55 | themill | istr that triggers are used for that in squeeze |
| 23:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | clarjon1, write a bug report? Might be difficult if they're in different packages, though |
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| 23:21.43 | simonrvn | themill: using the triggers, would that get done after all the fonts are installed? |
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| 23:21.49 | themill | yes |
| 23:22.12 | bpun | I use gnome-settings-daemon when i login to kde (use of autostart folder), are there any other gnome-like helpers i should know about? my icedove (thunderbird) email client lags when i scroll the message lists.. |
| 23:22.26 | simonrvn | saw you the first time |
| 23:22.27 | bpun | sorry i pasted that twice |
| 23:22.35 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 23:24.14 | clarjon1 | CutMeOwnThroat: they are in most all the ttf packages :P |
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| 23:24.34 | clarjon1 | CutMeOwnThroat: each and every one wants to regenerate the font cache after each package, instead of doing it at the end. |
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| 23:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might be hard to change, though... each package has its own post processing scripts.... |
| 23:26.11 | clarjon1 | i know |
| 23:26.21 | NoCode | Looks like I have broken dependencies, how can find out which ones with apt-get? Synaptic doesn't show anything broken |
| 23:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get -f install"? |
| 23:26.38 | simonrvn | should be a font team, so stuff like that gets synced |
| 23:27.44 | NoCode | Didn't do anything except suggeste an autoremove of a few packages. Removed them. |
| 23:27.45 | simonrvn | is just tossing out random thoughts |
| 23:27.47 | timonator | oh my god, the laptop finally boots |
| 23:27.51 | timonator | this was such a pain |
| 23:27.59 | clarjon1 | just one big fontcache regen would be so much more efficient than this situ |
| 23:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands timonator some aspirin |
| 23:28.13 | timonator | thank you very much |
| 23:28.30 | timonator | even x works immediately. this is how i remember debian installs |
| 23:28.33 | timonator | well, almost |
| 23:28.41 | clarjon1 | simonrvn: or have built into apt-get some sort of detection on the postscripts, and if it's the EXACT SAME COMMAND to just delay after all those packages installed >.> |
| 23:29.05 | simonrvn | clarjon1: dpkg triggers |
| 23:29.10 | karsten | simonrvn: 42! |
| 23:29.26 | clarjon1 | exactly |
| 23:29.26 | simonrvn | karsten: !24 |
| 23:29.26 | themill | clarjon1: as I said earlier, I believe triggers are used for this in squeeze |
| 23:29.38 | simonrvn | afk, bbiab |
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| 23:39.18 | simonrvn | re |
| 23:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | long time no see |
| 23:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... |
| 23:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.dpkg.org/dpkg/Triggers |
| 23:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 23:40.24 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Triggers should be used where the exact time of invocation isn't important, and that the commands the trigger run don't require any arguments to work. |
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| 23:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | the "no arguments" requirement might not be fulfilled for the fonts, though |
| 23:41.25 | simonrvn | wrapper script |
| 23:42.35 | simonrvn | also, fc-cache could have a --trigger, like some things do |
| 23:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hurls a bugreport form clarjon1s way |
| 23:43.50 | simonrvn | !reportbugsmite clarjon1 |
| 23:43.54 | simonrvn | :( |
| 23:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite clarjon1 |
| 23:44.04 | dpkg | beats clarjon1 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if clarjon1 is running testing or unstable |
| 23:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | next best thing |
| 23:44.17 | clarjon1 | i'm running lenny! i swear! |
| 23:44.37 | themill | wonders just how many font packages clarjon1 is installing |
| 23:44.57 | NoCode | :( |
| 23:45.16 | simonrvn | probably a lot... so doing cg or dtp |
| 23:45.30 | clarjon1 | NoCode: ALL the available TTF fonts in repos |
| 23:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, just stumbled on http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 23:45.49 | NoCode | good for them |
| 23:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | in the report-bugs factoid, actually |
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| 23:48.33 | clarjon1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.36 | clarjon1 | oops |
| 23:48.44 | clarjon1 | heh, well, at least the network is still working XD |
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| 23:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a nice text, though |
| 23:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | not written looking down his nose on you |
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| 23:50.40 | simonrvn | unless he has a fly land on it |
| 23:51.23 | clarjon1 | ffs |
| 23:51.34 | clarjon1 | DNS lookups are slooow tonight |
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| 23:59.24 | karsten | Can someone ID the process monitor on lower left of this image: http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/8/80/Screen-rob-dzen.png |
| 23:59.30 | karsten | (monad screenshot BTW). |
| 23:59.47 | clarjon1 | THWAPS his net |
