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| 00:05.57 | petemc | karsten: htop |
| 00:07.22 | petemc | clarjon1: install a caching dns server locally |
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| 00:08.28 | clarjon1 | petemc: good idea |
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| 00:08.44 | clarjon1 | I'll do it after all these fonts are done lol |
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| 00:10.14 | clarjon1 | i've set one up at work |
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| 00:12.51 | simonrvn | karsten: htop |
| 00:13.11 | simonrvn | oh, just saw petemc replied heh |
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| 00:14.18 | karsten | simonrvn: tx |
| 00:14.22 | karsten | petemc: tx also. |
| 00:14.30 | simonrvn | rx |
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| 00:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, htop |
| 00:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 00:16.01 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: tx3 |
| 00:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | or did someone mention htop? |
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| 00:16.24 | karsten | thanks the entire channel, freenode, the academy, his parents, and a certain red-haired girl. |
| 00:16.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | scnr |
| 00:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, about to win a beauty contest? |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | karsten: is she a princess? |
| 00:16.56 | karsten | abrotman: Not in Denmark :) |
| 00:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | "miss freenode" |
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| 00:17.45 | Pendrag0n | hey guys, I need a script that will run "ps ax | grep python" grab the time and the process id, then it needs to compare the process id's to see if they were already in the "txt" file, if so, kill the process and remove process id, if not, write it to the file. I have a query engine written in python that hangs every once in a while, and I end up with zombie python processes. |
| 00:17.58 | Pendrag0n | how hard would that be to write? like in bash? |
| 00:18.18 | Pendrag0n | cd |
| 00:18.22 | Pendrag0n | oops wrong window |
| 00:18.34 | jpinx-eeepc | how to configure the local keyboard to spanish and allow a remote login with a UK kbd? |
| 00:18.48 | karsten | Pendrag0n: ps's output format options will be your friend. awk as well. |
| 00:19.06 | karsten | Pendrag0n: I'd maintain a new and old version of the file. |
| 00:19.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or #bash |
| 00:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps would be better to fix your python engine so that it doesn't hang in the 1st place, though? |
| 00:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or is that silly? |
| 00:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean like... actually fixing it instead of writing something to work around it? |
| 00:21.15 | Pendrag0n | karsten ps ax | grep python the process id is the first thing before the question mark |
| 00:21.25 | Pendrag0n | heh, I think I am going to try to write the script myself in python |
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| 00:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not by chance hanging because it's trying to access some devices that force it to wait indefinitely? |
| 00:22.18 | karsten | Pendrag0n: Should be trivial. |
| 00:22.46 | Pendrag0n | yep |
| 00:22.47 | Pendrag0n | but, I will make it a universal tool, "zombieHunter" |
| 00:22.52 | Pendrag0n | I make tools all the time |
| 00:22.53 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 00:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think we call it "reportbug" |
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| 00:25.33 | Pendrag0n | http://www.pytis.com/tools I have a custom bash.rc line export PATH="/home/jlee/bin:$PATH:/home/jlee/tools/scripts/" that allows me to use these tools |
| 00:25.43 | Pendrag0n | maybe one of you will find one of those handy |
| 00:25.55 | Pendrag0n | newscript and importnanny are my favorites |
| 00:26.06 | Pendrag0n | spellcheckdir used to work, but it has a few bugs I think |
| 00:26.25 | Pendrag0n | spellcheck dir I think works on php all html file types and python |
| 00:26.29 | xeon-enouf | Pendrag0n: you enable $HOME/bin in ~/.bash_profile, IIRC |
| 00:26.30 | Pendrag0n | but I haven't used it for 3 years |
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| 00:26.54 | Pendrag0n | xeon-enouf: IIRC? |
| 00:27.00 | xeon-enouf | !iirc |
| 00:27.00 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 00:27.02 | clarjon1 | If I Remember Correctly |
| 00:27.10 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 00:27.11 | Pendrag0n | o yes |
| 00:27.15 | clarjon1 | Xenguy_: you JUST beat me XD |
| 00:27.17 | Pendrag0n | so I can use them like they are build in programs |
| 00:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | factoids win |
| 00:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or should I say "factoids ftw" |
| 00:28.13 | LobbyZ | Hey, how do i recomplie php5 so it will support imapd as i'm trying to install Horde |
| 00:28.20 | xeon-enouf | if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" |
| 00:28.24 | k]t | and i was not irc'ing as root -- that was a win-vista machine using telnet as a client to IRC |
| 00:28.32 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:28.46 | xeon-enouf | seems, .bash_profile is gone as default in sid |
| 00:28.48 | [1]ksnp | anyone konw how to add users for exim without creating linux accounts ? |
| 00:29.10 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm looking for what to change to accept a spanish keyboard. Any clues please? |
| 00:29.22 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: in X? |
| 00:29.34 | Pendrag0n | xeon-enouf: that line I pasted works in all flavors of linux, and cygwin |
| 00:29.35 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: yep |
| 00:29.41 | Pendrag0n | yours might too though |
| 00:29.56 | LobbyZ | How do i add uw-imapd support to php5? |
| 00:29.59 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: define; "accept" |
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| 00:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | LobbyZ, you don't.... but did you look at http://wiki.debian.org/Horde |
| 00:30.10 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: preferably for one user only |
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| 00:30.15 | LobbyZ | oh |
| 00:30.33 | LobbyZ | it told me to configure php with imapd support |
| 00:30.41 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you're DE generally has applets for that |
| 00:30.42 | stew | LobbyZ: aptitude install php5-imap |
| 00:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (consider that *someone* wrote that wiki page, though and I only gave it a 3-second look-over) |
| 00:30.52 | stew | LobbyZ: but if horde needs it the horde packages should depend on it |
| 00:31.01 | LobbyZ | I'll install both then |
| 00:31.11 | xeon-enouf | [1]ksnp: what's a "linux account" ? |
| 00:31.16 | stew | judd: depends imp4 |
| 00:31.16 | judd | stew: imp4 -- Depends: horde3 (>= 3.1.1), php4-imap | php5-imap, php-mail-mime |
| 00:31.18 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: the local keyboard is spanish, the local user uses only X applications and would like default spanish langage and kbd. but I'd like to ssh in in english |
| 00:31.29 | stew | judd: ^^ if you installed the imp4 package it should have already install php5-imap |
| 00:31.30 | judd | stew: Error: "^^" is not a valid command. |
| 00:31.39 | stew | err LobbyZ ^^ if you installed the imp4 package it should have already install php5-imap |
| 00:31.40 | xeon-enouf | stew: :-P |
| 00:31.49 | LobbyZ | I don't have imp4 |
| 00:31.58 | LobbyZ | i'm installing it now |
| 00:32.09 | LobbyZ | it installed php4-imap |
| 00:32.13 | LobbyZ | not php5-imap |
| 00:32.15 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: your ssh session should pass your ENV variables as logged in , IINN |
| 00:32.20 | xeon-enouf | er IINM |
| 00:32.40 | LobbyZ | and now thats installed |
| 00:32.54 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you use ssh -X ? |
| 00:33.13 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: I do not need ssh -X on that box |
| 00:33.18 | xeon-enouf | once you ssh in jpinx-eeepc show me output of 'printenv' or just 'env' |
| 00:33.22 | jpinx-eeepc | just ssh to a shell |
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| 00:33.25 | xeon-enouf | wait, what? |
| 00:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is horde anyway... and why does the term "eierlegende wollmilchsau" spring to my mind |
| 00:33.37 | xeon-enouf | you said X! |
| 00:33.53 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: the local keyboard is spanish, the local user uses only X applications and would like default spanish langage and kbd. but I'd like to ssh in in english |
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| 00:34.17 | Ungy | I am having a bit of trouble figuring out what to do to fix the errors I am recieving from dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 00:34.23 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: local == shit, i want to know user/host/remote and console or X |
| 00:35.03 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: try remove --purge ; install /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 00:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: it's only local that is wrong |
| 00:35.26 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you;re not making sense to me , sorry |
| 00:36.06 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: the box has lenny in English, the local keyboard is spanish, the local user uses only X applications and would like default spanish langage and kbd. |
| 00:36.24 | xeon-enouf | which DE?! |
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| 00:36.55 | jpinx-eeepc | gnome |
| 00:37.15 | Ungy | thanks xeon-enouf |
| 00:37.20 | xeon-enouf | the username's ~/.bashrc should have export LANG=ES_whatever_UF-8 |
| 00:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, set "LANG" ? for man and error messages? |
| 00:37.46 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 00:37.50 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: would you happen to know where I can get the LSB tags for S25libdevmapper1.02 and libdevmapper1.02 |
| 00:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, keyboard for X is configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:38.16 | xeon-enouf | lsb_release? |
| 00:38.33 | Ungy | hmm I try that thanks |
| 00:38.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably accessible by dpkg-reconfigure xserver or somesuch (but all that changed since X doesn't need an xorg.conf file anymore) |
| 00:38.52 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: gnome has some applet to try and enable keybd layout switching |
| 00:39.01 | simonrvn | let's see if innserv will work .... |
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| 00:39.21 | simonrvn | Ungy: have you update recently? it was fixed a while ago... |
| 00:39.23 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: ssh, with no X implies Console access, so not X related |
| 00:39.25 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: I do not have local access - I have to do all this from a remote ssh login |
| 00:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, guess most X programs also look at $LANG... |
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| 00:39.43 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: i asked for info - where is it? |
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| 00:39.59 | jpinx-eeepc | scrolls back |
| 00:40.01 | xeon-enouf | note; /etc/default/locale |
| 00:40.18 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: 00:23 < xeon-enouf> once you ssh in jpinx-eeepc show me output of 'printenv' or just 'env' |
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| 00:41.14 | Tapout | are there any kernels on debian with CONFIG_HZ_1000 set? the default 250 is causing massive IO problems for me. Centos defaults to 1000, so I'm going to try it. I can compile a kernel, but I would like to stay as close to standard as possible |
| 00:41.31 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you won't be able to access their X-session without .. er..i forget now offhand, but x11vnc is one way |
| 00:42.08 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/f18395953 |
| 00:42.11 | xeon-enouf | Tapout: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 00:42.12 | simonrvn | Tapout: copy the config and edit, and rebuild it |
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| 00:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, if you have to recompile, you can find the .config for the Debian kernel in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 00:42.47 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 00:42.51 | xeon-enouf | so .. |
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| 00:42.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | CONFIG_HZ_1000 is what? |
| 00:43.12 | simonrvn | Tapout: make sure you include --initrd with your make-kpkg invocation |
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| 00:43.26 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: thanks |
| 00:43.30 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: just clock shit |
| 00:43.37 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: the only thing i can thinkof borking it is; TERM=screen |
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| 00:43.54 | simonrvn | HZ=300 is a nice compromise |
| 00:43.55 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1039476 |
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| 00:44.09 | xeon-enouf | simonrvn: not good ewnough with newer kernel-package |
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| 00:44.23 | xeon-enouf | 12.0 + |
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| 00:44.38 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: can I su for these rcconf commands or do I actually have to be in as root |
| 00:44.42 | roe | is there a good reason not to upgrade all packages using backports? |
| 00:44.47 | simonrvn | so lemme guess, some geek online rag had an article about RT kernels, and told people how to do it.... |
| 00:44.56 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: su works, so does sudo |
| 00:45.36 | Ungy | hmm it is telling me command not found shit I guess my box is messed up oh well I didn't pick unstable for the fun of it ;-) |
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| 00:45.43 | Zone | I'm planning on doing a hardware RAID level migration (RAID 10 -> RAID 5). The hardware side is straightforward. Is there a proper procedure for the Linux side after a RAID level migration which makes the available drive size match up (ext3)? |
| 00:45.56 | adb | roe, security ? |
| 00:46.09 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: show me command you ran, and output --> /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:46.36 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: dpkg -l sysv-rc rcconf |
| 00:46.40 | Ungy | i ran rcconf and then I tried sysvc-rc-conf |
| 00:46.55 | roe | adb, I guess those packages don't get patched by security updates do they? |
| 00:47.03 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: dpkg -l sysv-rc-conf sysv-rc rcconf |
| 00:47.15 | adb | roe, yep |
| 00:47.19 | Ungy | yeah no package found matching |
| 00:47.34 | xeon-enouf | roe: bpo is unofficial as far as security |
| 00:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe, and stability? |
| 00:47.39 | roe | so I should just install what I absolutely need from backports |
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| 00:47.47 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: that's not a pastebin |
| 00:47.48 | simonrvn | roe: yes |
| 00:47.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:48.00 | roe | which means pinning each package? |
| 00:48.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 00:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you managed to give the shortest answer last :) |
| 00:48.09 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: nope but I guess I should probably install them ;-) |
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| 00:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "holy netsplit, robin"? |
| 00:48.55 | jpinx-eeepc | when I ran deborphan it didn't purge the unnecessary pkgs - even when I ran it with -Z. Do I have to do it manually? |
| 00:48.55 | roe | youzer |
| 00:49.00 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: try aptitude and turn on the check for 'unused packages' |
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| 00:49.04 | Ungy | Netsplit I remember seeing a couple hundred in splaits a few years ago |
| 00:49.09 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: try debfoster ; apt-get autoclean (see the man pages) |
| 00:49.29 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - thanks |
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| 00:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe, oh, you mean upgrading all packages you have installed from bpo? |
| 00:50.07 | Ungy | holy crap now I really know I am confused |
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| 00:50.28 | roe | CutMeOwnThroat, yea |
| 00:51.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe, no, that should be fine... and supposedly work.... |
| 00:51.24 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: try navigating the windows registry ;-) |
| 00:51.24 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: this sysv-rc-conf looks like what I need for some of my errors the problem is though I have 3 postgresq$ showing I do not know which one is which |
| 00:51.38 | simonrvn | it does, if you pin it right |
| 00:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 00:51.43 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: I am a master of registry ;-) |
| 00:51.53 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: you shouldn't be toying with sysv-rc-conf IMHO |
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| 00:51.56 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: i even wrote my own registry explorer |
| 00:52.06 | simonrvn | don't need that |
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| 00:52.22 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: i can rip out hives, and still have the POS work :-) |
| 00:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not sure, apt has such a nice tendency to fail with multiple repositories... |
| 00:52.30 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: fair enough I will exit it |
| 00:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think with >2 repositories pinning is a lot safer |
| 00:52.48 | simonrvn | Package: *\nPin: release lenny-backports\nPin-Priority: 998 |
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| 00:53.04 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
| 00:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | 998? |
| 00:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't even give stable 998 |
| 00:53.24 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 00:53.32 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: yes well linux has some far better features then linux |
| 00:53.47 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: but as a desktop client it is still laking a bit |
| 00:53.49 | simonrvn | stable, -security, upgrade fine |
| 00:53.50 | bpun | Ungy, true. linux is better than linux.. I agree 100%.. |
| 00:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should pastebin the whole thing that WorksForYou, I guess.... those things are relative |
| 00:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pinning |
| 00:54.09 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 00:54.26 | bpun | use backports instead.. |
| 00:54.42 | bpun | that's what the factoid sayssss |
| 00:54.49 | Ungy | bpun I was comparing to windows but whatever you say :-) |
| 00:55.03 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/47213/ |
| 00:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but it does make sense to use pinning rules if you want to update packages from bpo |
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| 00:55.17 | bpun | notices Ungy trying to pull a cat out of his ass |
| 00:55.31 | bpun | Ungy, you're goofed up! |
| 00:55.32 | bpun | lol |
| 00:55.38 | Ungy | bpun a lot of room up there I have a big ass |
| 00:55.44 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you give bpo the same priority as stable, though... you should give it a lower priority (a higer version number for a package already installed from bpo should still lead to updates from bpo) |
| 00:56.09 | Ungy | bpun how did I goof up? |
| 00:56.13 | simonrvn | stable has 1000 |
| 00:56.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least that's what my limited understanding of pinning says |
| 00:56.29 | simonrvn | oh woops, it doesn't =) |
| 00:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
| 00:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a=lenny has 998 |
| 00:56.57 | simonrvn | well, obviously i need to review it =) |
| 00:57.18 | simonrvn | it's working right now, so not urgent |
| 00:57.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... why does "a=stable-security" actually work? |
| 00:57.53 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 00:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I should go through mine as well |
| 00:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f70200da7 |
| 00:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 00:58.27 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: simonrvn you have to purge the orphans manually |
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| 00:58.53 | simonrvn | mine's been sitting around for a while... hasn't been updated with my current knowledge, i don't think. |
| 00:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free in my sources.list... damn... if it'd been "stable" instead of lenny/updates, my pinning would've been correct |
| 00:59.03 | simonrvn | wah, netjoin |
| 00:59.11 | Ungy | these are the current warnings that I am getting when running dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc http://pastebin.ca/1574688 |
| 00:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does seem to work though... I'm mostly getting stuff from security.debian.org when I update |
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| 00:59.41 | movela | hi... whats a command to format this usb stick to fat32. gparted doesn't work. fdisk -l says its at /dev/sdc1 |
| 00:59.46 | jpinx-eeepc | bleh! |
| 00:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | gaaah, mine works, but after yours stubbed my nose into the security repository I couldn't say why |
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| 01:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | movela, mkfs.vfat /dev/yoursticksdevice |
| 01:00.31 | Ungy | I try to keep my linux box clean of all warnings and errors but I am not very good at it I stopped sys-admining and moved to web-development so I don't have as much time to work on it as I used to |
| 01:00.56 | Zone | Debian? sys-admining? work? does not compute. |
| 01:01.21 | clarjon1 | work? |
| 01:01.22 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 01:01.36 | pthreat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.51 | movela | thanks CutMeOwnThroat... mkfs.vfat 3.0.1 (23 Nov 2008) is what came out. is the device formatted? |
| 01:02.13 | Ungy | Zone yeah I know I just fell in love with Debian as a server for my home abotu 4 years ago and I have been keeping a server running since then although I have had to upgrade the box twice do to hardware malfunctions |
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| 01:03.21 | Ungy | Zone funny enough my best machien is my server why I dunno I just was tired of rebuilding it so my gaming rig is about half as good |
| 01:03.45 | movela | funny thing. now gparted works... i can take it from here. thanks again! |
| 01:03.47 | movela | :) |
| 01:03.55 | Ungy | Zone also getting married does cut down on the geek time |
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| 01:05.00 | Zone | Ungy: I'll trade you my free time for your wife. Problem solved. |
| 01:05.41 | Ungy | Zone she is watchign dancing with the stars and you might get lucky 6 times a year if it is a leap year ;-) |
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| 01:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | risky business... |
| 01:06.02 | Tapout | anyone recall that sourceforge program that takes *.iso and lets you create bootable flash drives to install debian? |
| 01:06.27 | Ungy | Tapout: there is a program to do that? |
| 01:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 01:06.32 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 01:06.35 | Tapout | yeah, i forget what it's called |
| 01:06.42 | Ungy | Tapout: I built one myself |
| 01:06.55 | xeon-enouf | !listkeys unetbootin |
| 01:06.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'unetbootin' by key (1): unetbootin. |
| 01:06.58 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, there is a sourceforge windows app |
| 01:07.00 | Tapout | UNETBOOTIN |
| 01:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I thought it'd be in that factoid |
| 01:07.18 | xeon-enouf | but use Debian ;-) |
| 01:07.19 | Tapout | thanks Xenguy_ |
| 01:07.20 | Tapout | xeon-enouf |
| 01:07.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | he he |
| 01:07.35 | xeon-enouf | otherwise we won't help you |
| 01:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | today's complete-the-wrong-nick day |
| 01:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't you agree, XGas |
| 01:08.09 | Ungy | Anyways I am trying to get rid of the follwoing errors I know I need to find the LSB tags but am not sure how to get rid of the other errors http://pastebin.ca/1574688 when I run dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 01:08.13 | Tapout | thanks czesmir |
| 01:09.05 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: stop; sysv-rc is not 'sysv-rc-conf'; nor rcconf |
| 01:09.10 | macrobat | are we highlighting the idlers? |
| 01:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmind, exactly |
| 01:09.56 | xeon-enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, Xcessive-gas can cause problems ;-P |
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| 01:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know ALL about that |
| 01:10.22 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: ok I understand that but I am trying to remove the errors since when I upgraded it told me too |
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| 01:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ungy, looks like warnings to ignore? |
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| 01:11.21 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: really should I just wait until the LSB tags get included in the packages and then ignore the rest? |
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| 01:11.40 | xeon-enouf | wtf is an LSB tag? |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | !lsb |
| 01:11.56 | dpkg | i heard lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or very incomplete |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:11.57 | roe | if I pin say, for example, dovecot-imapd to lenny-backports shouldn't that pull in all dependencies from backports? |
| 01:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Linux Standard Base? |
| 01:12.21 | xeon-enouf | shoots Ungy with a paintball gun and tags his ass |
| 01:12.23 | dondelelcaro | roe: no |
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| 01:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe, only if they are needed in a version only available from bpo |
| 01:12.41 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: ouch |
| 01:12.58 | dondelelcaro | roe: the whole point of backports is that it's a set of packages built with the minimal dependencies required from something that is not lenny. |
| 01:13.03 | xeon-enouf | knows what LSB is an acronym of you weenies |
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| 01:13.08 | roe | CutMeOwnThroat, right, so apt won't fail if I just pin the one package |
| 01:13.26 | dondelelcaro | roe: you don't need to pin it |
| 01:13.28 | xeon-enouf | !debtags |
| 01:13.28 | dpkg | debtags is, like, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 01:13.29 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: why did you ask then |
| 01:13.32 | dondelelcaro | roe: it's already pinned by default |
| 01:13.41 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: listen more closely |
| 01:13.51 | xeon-enouf | lsb tag == ? |
| 01:13.59 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: I will try to READ more carefully sorry |
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| 01:14.31 | movela | formatted successfully. am trying win7 w/unetbootin app. i have the iso. and its loading. will it work? |
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| 01:15.11 | Ungy | OK then thanks for the help I guess I will ignore for now back to working with mono |
| 01:15.26 | xeon-enouf | nucleosis? |
| 01:15.40 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: CutMeOwnThroat sorry for bothering you thanks for the help though |
| 01:15.52 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: had that twice glad I can't get it again |
| 01:16.09 | BlueG | so, if someone had installed Debian and selected to encrypt the whole disk, and then someone accidentally installed another OS on that disc, is there any possible way they could recover some of their files, (knowing the passphrase, of course)? |
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| 01:16.15 | jpinx-eeepc | when I do aptitude search <string> I get some results annoted with an "A". What's that for? |
| 01:16.19 | xeon-enouf | remind me never to kiss you :-P\ |
| 01:16.36 | BlueG | I'm thinking not, but if anybody thinks I'm wrong, I'm open to suggestions :-) |
| 01:16.45 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: Auto-installed? man aptitude? |
| 01:16.48 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: I am actually safer to kiss then most plus I am apparently very good at it ;-0 |
| 01:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ungy, I'm also not sure what exactly those tags are... or what the warning wants to tell us - all I'm saying is that those look like they can be ignored... |
| 01:16.59 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: install aptitude-doc-en |
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| 01:17.56 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: I was reading some of the debain forums about them and I found a few tags and installed them as I found them but I couldn;t find all of them they said to wait for the package manager to fix the error and just assign a bug to it |
| 01:18.26 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: but oth of the ones I found currently have bugs logged so I guess I am just in wait and see mode |
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| 01:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:18.47 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: sid |
| 01:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 01:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | else it might be a long wait until stuff gets into stable... |
| 01:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e not before the next stable |
| 01:19.24 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: mainly I use it for mono since my CMS is written in C# |
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| 01:20.04 | Ungy | CutMeOwnThroat: I am using reflection and a few other more advanced features theat didn't work in stable last I checked |
| 01:20.05 | xeon-enouf | pukes |
| 01:21.20 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: you don't like C# fair enough but I enjoy it overall I find it better then Java but everyone has their own personal preferences I tried but was unable to find a nice way to do what I wanted in Ruby or Python |
| 01:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands xeon-enouf vitamin B6, or ginger supplements then forces him to get fresh air, and focus on the horizonoutside on deck. |
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| 01:21.45 | elik | I have two computers on debian squeeze, both on the same wifi access point. One of them is having a VERY hard time with its connection... I didn't change anything in my configs though (I just upgraded)... I wonder what can create that difference |
| 01:21.47 | xeon-enouf | (and i didn't even have to kiss anyone) |
| 01:22.02 | Ungy | kisses xeon-enough thanks for the help |
| 01:22.06 | roe | any dovecot users here? |
| 01:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, this seasickness catches him from time to time |
| 01:22.12 | elik | I can see the difference both for wan and lan traffic |
| 01:22.14 | Ungy | roe what you need? |
| 01:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | he always feels better after feeding the fish |
| 01:22.32 | elik | Applications being synergy and some speed test app online |
| 01:22.39 | xeon-enouf | shakes it off |
| 01:22.45 | roe | Ungy, I am curious what versions debian admins are running, since dovecot is trailing by a major release version |
| 01:23.04 | Ungy | shakes xeon-enough off (yuck dude aim that somewhere else)! |
| 01:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions dovecot |
| 01:23.27 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: dovecot -- |
| 01:23.32 | Ungy | roe my currently installed version is the version being packaged with stable |
| 01:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | why, oh why |
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| 01:24.05 | Ungy | roe but from a general perspective I am wondering why you need the latest realease what features are you missing? |
| 01:24.08 | roe | 1.0.15? |
| 01:24.09 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: try tab-completion on nicks for starters, your code will surely lack with typos ;-) |
| 01:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions dovecot-common |
| 01:24.39 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: dovecot-common -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3 lenny-backports: 1:1.1.13-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:1.2.4-2 sid: 1:1.2.5-1 |
| 01:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny-backports: 1:1.1.13-2~bpo50+1? |
| 01:24.51 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: sorry I am like 7 beers into a 12 pack at teh moment |
| 01:25.22 | Tapout | AA |
| 01:25.22 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: i've a quart of bicardi rum plus in me -- no excuses! |
| 01:25.40 | roe | well two years ago, when I did this the first time there were a few stability issues with dovecot (the version in etch) and I was forced to shoe horn a newer version on a production server |
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| 01:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why he's answering everything twice... :-P |
| 01:25.53 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: heh my typing is not very good to start with so I guess you got me beat |
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| 01:26.04 | xeon-enouf | you lightweight ,, no wonder you spread disease :-P |
| 01:26.21 | Ungy | roe what stability issues exactly? |
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| 01:26.27 | xeon-enouf | my typing sucks .. even moreso when i'm sober |
| 01:26.37 | roe | Ungy, issues with indexes getting corrupt, if I remember correctly |
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| 01:26.48 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: Cnaadian beer is not like American beer and besides I haven't eaten anything today |
| 01:26.55 | roe | it was two years ago |
| 01:27.07 | BlueG | can someone point me to some documentation on the disk encryption option in Debian Lenny? |
| 01:27.12 | Ungy | roe so what are you using dovecot for exactly? |
| 01:27.18 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: i did just eat - you need to eat - so do it |
| 01:27.21 | roe | Ungy, is that a trick question? |
| 01:27.54 | Ungy | roe not at all |
| 01:27.57 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: and Bicardi rum is NOT american beer ;-) |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | anyways .... |
| 01:28.13 | roe | imap and sasl |
| 01:28.29 | roe | and the cmu sieve plugin |
| 01:28.39 | Ungy | roe OK then just wondering I only use it for sasl |
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| 01:29.15 | Ungy | xeon-enough but don't compare American ber to Canadian when you think of a comparison |
| 01:29.16 | xeon-enouf | offers the 50lb burger for a meal ;-) |
| 01:29.18 | roe | so the index problem wouldn't have effected you |
| 01:29.29 | Ungy | roe not at all |
| 01:29.42 | xeon-enouf | Ungy: TAB-COMPLETION please - heh |
| 01:29.56 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 01:30.01 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: nice tricky name XD |
| 01:30.21 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: ok sheesh I just like typing |
| 01:30.28 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: is your nick a tab-complete trap? XD |
| 01:30.42 | Ungy | roe I orignially started with the setup from workaround.org |
| 01:30.43 | xeon-enouf | wow .. having to type sucks ASS to me |
| 01:30.57 | Ungy | I then changed a lot of of what was available there |
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| 01:31.23 | roe | yea, I've seen that site before |
| 01:31.29 | Ungy | clarjon1: honestly I forget that this client has tab complete |
| 01:32.26 | Ungy | roe: when I was using it originally I had 500+ users and it was worthwhile now I just do contract and upgrade as necessary |
| 01:33.12 | xeon-enouf | how many xeon[TAB] are here? |
| 01:33.22 | Ungy | xeon-enouf: only you |
| 01:33.24 | xeon-enouf | or even xeo |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: though .. i think it's pretty obvious you don't use the other box .. time to s/xeon-// :) |
| 01:34.20 | Ungy | haha |
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| 01:34.34 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i do need to kill the xeon-less enuof ,,yes |
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| 01:35.14 | xeon-enouf | wait - he's dead already |
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| 01:35.25 | xeon-enouf | crappers |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | been dead for ages .. we kickbanned him .. he was talking out of turn |
| 01:35.36 | xeon-enouf | bull |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:36.17 | xeon-enouf | bah, no need then ;-) |
| 01:36.48 | Ungy | OK thank you everyone for your help have a good morning afternoon evening or night depending ;-) |
| 01:36.49 | elik | My laptop has a VERY HIGH tx excessive retries level... while my desktop (maybe 3 feet away) has 0. My laptop has a very low speed, both felt and tested... I run debian squeeze on both.. so I don't quite understand where that issue could come from |
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| 01:37.05 | clarjon1 | elik: wireless or wired net? |
| 01:37.15 | elik | clarjon1, wireless |
| 01:37.27 | clarjon1 | elik: desktop: wired or wireless? |
| 01:37.40 | elik | clarjon1, wireless as well |
| 01:37.45 | clarjon1 | hmmm |
| 01:37.54 | clarjon1 | Which one is closer to the router? |
| 01:38.23 | elik | the distance difference is negligible |
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| 01:39.02 | clarjon1 | elik: Anything that might cause interference? Wires in the walls, wall fan, ceiling fan, altitude, etc? |
| 01:39.19 | clarjon1 | elik: does dmesg show anything related to the wifi on a regular basis? |
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| 01:39.38 | elik | clarjon1, well, I just solved an interference problem with a cordless phone... |
| 01:39.39 | clarjon1 | elik: also, what wireless card are you using in each? |
| 01:39.57 | elik | clarjon1, ipw2200 on laptop |
| 01:40.03 | clarjon1 | :/ |
| 01:40.10 | elik | clarjon1, and a realtek something on the desktop |
| 01:40.11 | clarjon1 | I've had poor performance with that in the past |
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| 01:40.58 | elik | clarjon1, I sincerely doubt the card is the issue here, but I don't quite feel like rebooting on windows to prove it, as I'm fairly confident of that fact... |
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| 01:41.33 | clarjon1 | elik: not the card, the firmware/drivers |
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| 01:42.27 | elik | clarjon1, well, I just upgraded today, but did not note the packages that were upgraded... I didn't think those drivers moved so much anymore though |
| 01:42.35 | elik | I mean, my laptop is 3yo+ |
| 01:42.48 | clarjon1 | elik: all it needs is one misconfiguration and... |
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| 01:45.19 | xeon-enouf | kaB00M! |
| 01:45.46 | elik | clarjon1, well.. I have this sort of feeling that siply going to school and connecting on their wireless would "solve" the problem, although I'Ll have to wait a few hours to test that |
| 01:46.38 | BlueG | When you encrypt a disk under Debian at install time, is it encrypted with your passphrase, or a key that is unlocked with your passphrase? |
| 01:47.24 | Wyzard | BlueG: The latter, assuming you choose the LUKS option (I don't know anything about loop-aes) |
| 01:47.50 | xeon-enouf | it seems a passphrase itself is no encryptuion ;-) |
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| 01:48.37 | xeon-enouf | encryption implies algorithms, passphrases not |
| 01:48.40 | BlueG | Wyzard: I was afraid of that... I guess that means if that part of the disc is overwritten, all data becomes permanently unrecoverable, even with the passphrase... |
| 01:49.16 | Wyzard | BlueG: Yes, but it also means you can change the passphrase without having to re-encrypt the entire disk |
| 01:49.18 | EugenMayer | hello people. I just tried to change root / debian-sys-maint passwords of mysql and was sleeping hald..instead of using "old_password" I just set the passwords plan ...so I can't access mysql now. I have root access, anyhow to gain access again? |
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| 01:49.38 | elik | xeon-enouf, well, the passphrase could be used as the key... |
| 01:50.04 | BlueG | Wyzard: that is a great consolation when your disc just got overwritten by the accidental installation of another OS... :-( |
| 01:50.11 | Wyzard | BlueG: and encryption aside, that same risk applies to the filesystem's bookkeeping data, most notably the superblock |
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| 01:50.55 | BlueG | Wyzard: even without that, I think some tools can recover some of the data |
| 01:51.02 | xeon-enouf | elik: not AFAIK |
| 01:51.03 | Wyzard | BlueG: If you're unable to mount your LUKS volume because you overwrote it with another OS, you should be blaming your lack of backups, not the LUKS metadata format |
| 01:51.35 | xeon-enouf | elik: a passphrase can 'unlock' a key |
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| 01:52.06 | elik | xeon-enouf, so the passphrase is the key to the key... right? |
| 01:52.07 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: A passphrase "is" a key in the sense that its hash (MD5, SHA1, etc.) is often used as the key value for a cipher |
| 01:52.07 | nsadmin | can keys have different passphrases for different operations? |
| 01:52.08 | Pavlz | Google News Alert per: debian |
| 01:52.08 | Pavlz | Ubuntu chases the Lynx factor |
| 01:52.08 | Pavlz | ZDNet.com.au - Australia |
| 01:52.08 | Pavlz | ... Shuttleworth said that 10.04 would be based on the GNOME 2.0 desktop and would extend the horizontal server scalability of Debian into cloud computing. ... |
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| 01:52.29 | abrotman | pavstop doing that |
| 01:52.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:52.38 | BlueG | Wyzard: oh I'm not blaming. Yes, there should have been backups... someone who didn't know what they were doing shouldn't have been using a live CD/install disk... etc |
| 01:52.41 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: ok -- elik not sure |
| 01:52.43 | nsadmin | pavstopped. |
| 01:53.01 | BlueG | How do you install gNewSense and think you are installing Flash? |
| 01:53.10 | BlueG | :-( |
| 01:53.11 | xeon-enouf | elik: Wyzard a hash isn't a key, and vice-versa, right? |
| 01:53.41 | elik | right |
| 01:53.47 | xeon-enouf | i mean, key == cipher (or ..) |
| 01:53.49 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: A key is just a sequence of bytes of a certain length (e.g. 128 bits) |
| 01:53.56 | xeon-enouf | er !== |
| 01:54.11 | elik | Wyzard, how is a passphrase a hash??? |
| 01:54.32 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: The output of a hash function is suitable for use as a key, so it's common to let people choose an arbitrary passphrase and hash it to get the key, rather than requiring people to input the key directly (e.g. memorizing a 128-bit value and typing it in hex) |
| 01:54.34 | DaCapn | I'm doing a fresh install of 5.0.3 and I have an issue with untrusted install sources. How can I force the installation of the packages? |
| 01:54.37 | xeon-enouf | tosses some SALT onto the wound :-P |
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| 01:55.04 | elik | xeon-enouf, lol |
| 01:55.17 | nsadmin | DaCapn: why not just get the key |
| 01:55.50 | elik | Wyzard, how about a passphrase protected ssh key.. the passphrase is no hash, it's just used to decipher the key |
| 01:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoppav.exe |
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| 01:56.11 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: when i run ssh-keygen where does a hash or passphrase become relevant? |
| 01:56.47 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: i realize that one MAY want to passphrase protect that key, but it's not needed |
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| 01:57.01 | Wyzard | elik: I think you're confused about what a hash is... it's a function that you apply to one string (of arbitrary length, such as a passphrase) to get another string (of fixed length, suitable for use as a crypto key among other things) |
| 01:57.08 | DaCapn | nsadmin: how can I go about that while proceeding with the installation. |
| 01:57.24 | nsadmin | is it installing now? |
| 01:57.31 | nsadmin | or what's it doing exactly? |
| 01:57.44 | elik | Wyzard, so you hash the passphrase to get the key to unlock the key? |
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| 01:58.19 | Wyzard | elik: You hash the passphrase to get the key to decrypt *something* -- in the case of LUKS that something is another key, the master key for decrypting the data on the disk |
| 01:58.20 | DaCapn | It says "type "Yes" to proceed despite this warning" or whatever. But that term is just a tail of /var/log/syslog, right? I mean, typing "Yes" there does nothing. |
| 01:58.42 | elik | Wyzard, fair enough |
| 01:58.47 | DaCapn | So the installation is waiting for my approval but there doesn't seem to be any way for user input where I CAN give my approval. |
| 01:59.04 | nsadmin | Pavlz: so, don't be botty... or batty... or something... |
| 01:59.11 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: ssh-keygen generates a random keypair, and if you choose to provide a passphrase, it uses a hash of the passphrase (probably salted and iterated) to obtain a symmetric key, which it uses to encrypt the private part of the random keypair it generated |
| 01:59.18 | Pavlz | i am not a botty |
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| 01:59.32 | abrotman | Pavlz: do not paste that again |
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| 02:00.20 | Pavlz | i only said that Mark Shuttleworth iss intentioned to use GNU/linux Debian, for its own ubuntu, so that he can introduce the cloud computing |
| 02:00.35 | xeon-enouf | yields to Wyzard 's seemingly detailed knowledge ;-) |
| 02:00.35 | abrotman | Pavlz: stop, no one cares .. go away |
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| 02:01.01 | babilen_ | hi all. since the recent Xorg update my VertEdgeScrolling and tapping does not work with my synaptics tochpad |
| 02:01.07 | babilen_ | i have to explicitly enable it with synclient every time Xorg is started |
| 02:01.27 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: That's an educated guess based on background knowledge of how crypto software generally works, not from having actually read the ssh-keygen source code |
| 02:01.28 | babilen | and yes, i have edited fdi: http://paste.debian.net/47215/ |
| 02:01.29 | xeon-enouf | turns to the right and punches elik in the arm saying "See - i told you so!@" |
| 02:01.36 | babilen | any idea what might cause this or how to fix it? |
| 02:01.58 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: no worries ;-) |
| 02:02.18 | nsadmin | hey wait... I'm on your right... ARGH! why does my arm hurt now?! |
| 02:02.22 | elik | notices that his touchpad now supports mac-like motions 0.0 |
| 02:02.24 | effeight | babilen: i had similar issues ubuntu 9.04 -> 9.10 and found a few new settings under gnome's mouse preferences |
| 02:02.45 | babilen | effeight: i do not use gnome |
| 02:03.10 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: apologize to nsadmin |
| 02:03.10 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:03.16 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 02:03.22 | elik | dodges xeon-enouf's punch, that was coming in so slowly |
| 02:03.52 | elik | babilen, did you try 2 fingers scroll? |
| 02:04.22 | babilen | elik: yes 2 finger scrolling works, as does vertical edge scrolling and tapping after i run synclient |
| 02:04.34 | elik | I didn't even think the hardware supported it... that's very awesome |
| 02:04.39 | babilen | i just don't want to run synclient every time i boot |
| 02:04.48 | elik | babilen, I can understand that |
| 02:04.52 | xeon-enouf | wait .. wtf is "2 finger scrolling" ? |
| 02:05.10 | elik | xeon-enouf, put two fingers on the touch pad, move |
| 02:05.12 | xeon-enouf | is that anything like "tossing your salad"? |
| 02:05.14 | nsadmin | drinking a 2-finger shot while scrolling |
| 02:05.19 | xeon-enouf | runs |
| 02:05.19 | Wyzard | babilen: The defaults are controlled by HAL now and can be configured with an .fdi file... hang on and I'll try to find the one I created |
| 02:05.34 | xeon-enouf | elik: what's a touchpad? |
| 02:05.37 | babilen | Wyzard: i already pasted my fdi file |
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| 02:05.46 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net/47215/ |
| 02:05.46 | DaCapn | Has no one else had a base installation problem like this with 5.0.3? I see that this was the case with some rc versions of the lenny install disc and in upgrading from etch to lenny, but not having the key for lenny in the 5.0.3 disc? Is that right or what? |
| 02:05.47 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: nice |
| 02:06.20 | elik | xeon-enouf, http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=touchpad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 02:06.25 | babilen | i just realised i set the driver two times.... |
| 02:06.29 | nsadmin | you do that after the salad toss to sanitize your mouth... |
| 02:06.30 | babilen | any other ideas? |
| 02:06.50 | elik | pukes |
| 02:06.59 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 02:07.22 | nsadmin | sometimes multiple repeats are necessary |
| 02:07.29 | Wyzard | babilen: Here's mine: http://paste.debian.net/47216/ |
| 02:07.48 | elik | nsadmin, that's a minimum of at least 3, right? |
| 02:07.56 | babilen | Wyzard: and that one work? |
| 02:07.59 | Wyzard | babilen: Try using "true" instead of "1" for your booleans |
| 02:08.01 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:08.02 | nsadmin | shots? or salad tosses? |
| 02:08.09 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 02:08.12 | elik | nsadmin, repeats |
| 02:08.20 | nsadmin | of? |
| 02:08.34 | babilen | Wyzard: Wyzard hmm, i just see minor differences |
| 02:08.34 | xeon-enouf | rinses and repeats :-P |
| 02:08.38 | elik | nsadmin, just pointing out the redundancy |
| 02:08.40 | babilen | Wyzard: guess i play around with it |
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| 02:09.11 | nsadmin | it was porposly redundable... |
| 02:09.18 | Wyzard | babilen: Change your VertEdgeScroll and TapButton1 properties to say "true" |
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| 02:09.55 | elik | nsadmin, so was my statement |
| 02:10.14 | babilen | Wyzard: true and 1 can be used IMHO |
| 02:10.26 | babilen | Wyzard: i guess the problem is more the secons driver line |
| 02:10.53 | babilen | Wyzard: but i'll try it with true. although running "synclient VertEdgeScroll=1" works perfectly fine |
| 02:11.13 | babilen | ok another thing |
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| 02:12.36 | elik | babilen, it's usually not a matter of your opinion, but of X's one |
| 02:12.55 | babilen | i *want* to be able to zap the x server with ctrl-alt-backspace . I already set DontZap to false in xorg.conf |
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| 02:13.41 | babilen | elik: o_O really? Xorg does not interface with my brain to read my desired settings yet? |
| 02:13.56 | xeon-enouf | but HAL does ;-) |
| 02:14.01 | babilen | -> zapping: but i can't zap it |
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| 02:14.10 | elik | xeon-enouf, lol |
| 02:14.20 | babilen | hooray for HAL! |
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| 02:14.37 | p3rti | hi everyone, someone know a good software to connect to a wireless with WPA encryptation on console. |
| 02:14.38 | xeon-enouf | "Dave, you know i can't allow you to do that"! |
| 02:14.53 | babilen | although i really get the "Sorry Dave, I'm afraid i can't do that" feeling when dealing with recent Xorg versions |
| 02:14.56 | p3rti | with few dependences... please.. |
| 02:15.05 | elik | p3rti, wpa-supplicant |
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| 02:15.18 | xeon-enouf | !wicd |
| 02:15.18 | dpkg | wicd is, like, Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <backports.org>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:16.16 | babilen | so any other ideas how to enable Xorg zapping in 7.4? |
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| 02:17.27 | Wyzard | babilen: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Ctrl-Alt-Backspace_doesn.27t_exit_X |
| 02:17.35 | clarjon1 | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Ctrl-Alt-Backspace_doesn.27t_exit_X |
| 02:17.36 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 02:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wpa_supplicant |
| 02:17.45 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 02:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? |
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| 02:18.18 | babilen | Wyzard: i assume you went through all that recently? |
| 02:18.27 | Wyzard | babilen: I think zapping itself is actually still enabled, so you probably don't need the DontZap setting; it's just that by default there's no key combination mapped to do it |
| 02:18.41 | Wyzard | babilen: No, I just searched Google for "xorg 7.4 zapping" |
| 02:18.49 | babilen | Wyzard: ok |
| 02:19.09 | Wyzard | babilen: (Well, I did read about the changes when 7.4 went into sid, but I didn't memorize the details) |
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| 02:19.24 | babilen | Wyzard: this is just plain wrong. |
| 02:19.28 | xeon-enouf | install apt-listchanges ;-) |
| 02:20.20 | Wyzard | babilen: I think the rationale was that people were pressing the zap keys by accident |
| 02:20.50 | babilen | Wyzard: i want to see how somebody manages to press CTRL-ALT-BKSPC by accident |
| 02:20.52 | babilen | really |
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| 02:22.31 | Wyzard | babilen: From http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/20687/ "Common ways this happens is from switching worskspaces (Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right) and editing documents with backspace." |
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| 02:24.13 | ctmjr | !info dontzap |
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| 02:24.35 | Wyzard | likes the idea of requiring the zap keys to be pressed three times or held for three seconds |
| 02:24.36 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: honestly though, i've pressed so many unexpected key combos inadvertantly, and not once was it that combp, bu8t i've seriously messed up shit |
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| 02:24.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: i used to do that all the time .. so i changed it to ctrl-L/R/U/D |
| 02:25.18 | DaCapn | So no one knows how (during a fresh install) to tell aptitude, "yes, please proceed with the install despite your warnings" |
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| 02:25.57 | Wyzard | abrotman: You could do that by accident if your hand slips while switching workspaces... I'd try something like Ctrl-Alt-F1-F12 |
| 02:26.38 | xeon-enouf | and ,,, restarting X would be a godsend compared to how my key-combo presses just mangle it FUBAR |
| 02:26.46 | sepult | DaCapn: aptitude -y ?? |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: hasn't happened since i changed it .. it's a thinkpad keyboard .. the arrows are next to the ctrl/alt .. so i can do it with one hand |
| 02:27.05 | sepult | DaCapn: or even -f ?? |
| 02:27.20 | Wyzard | I wouldn't *want* X zapping to be something I can do with one hand |
| 02:28.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: i haven't done it yet .. *knock on wood* |
| 02:28.29 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: i never need a kbd for one-hand operation |
| 02:28.45 | xeon-enouf | that's what rodents are for ;-) |
| 02:28.46 | babilen | Wyzard: the proper place to specify this version is /etc/default/console-setup |
| 02:28.55 | DaCapn | sepult: during a FRESH installation. Like with the ncurses install wizard. Not like I'm upgrading an etch system to lenny and am doing dist-upgrade. |
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| 02:29.42 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: and what makes you think my bjorks were one-handed? |
| 02:29.57 | Wyzard | babilen: You mean the "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" option? |
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| 02:30.03 | babilen | Wyzard: exactly |
| 02:30.08 | Fare | hi. I have a /etc/crypttab but somehow mkinitramfs didn't include it in the initramfs, causing a failure to automount the encrypted / |
| 02:30.14 | xeon-enouf | and no F1 is nowehere near Backspace |
| 02:30.14 | Wyzard | babilen: I agree, /etc/default/console-setup does look like a more appropriate place for that |
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| 02:30.24 | babilen | and others like it (ctrl:switch, .... etc) |
| 02:30.35 | Wyzard | babilen: (Keep in mind that that page I linked you to is for ArchLinux, which might not have an /etc/default/console-setup like Debian does) |
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| 02:31.55 | xeon-enouf | Fare: add/list needed modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then run update-initramfs , see the man page |
| 02:32.39 | xeon-enouf | Fare: and if that fails you might need other loving within that dir/ such as /hookd |
| 02:32.49 | xeon-enouf | hooks* |
| 02:33.29 | babilen | Wyzard: yes, i realised that it was an Arch Linux page. just wanted *you* to know that in case you want to fiddle with it yourself |
| 02:33.49 | Wyzard | babilen: Yep, thanks for pointing it out :-) |
| 02:34.08 | babilen | i think i'll try it... |
| 02:34.49 | xeon-enouf | just /etc/init.d/*dm restart or if no WM, just drop to f1 and ^C .. what's the problem? |
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| 02:35.03 | xeon-enouf | er /if no DM*/ |
| 02:35.12 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: Sometimes xorg locks up and even VT switching doesn't work |
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| 02:35.28 | xeon-enouf | when? |
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| 02:35.48 | xeon-enouf | if xorg locks - you're doing something wrong |
| 02:35.54 | Wyzard | or a driver is |
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| 02:36.34 | xeon-enouf | VT switching? never happened here .. so maybe your Proprietary Driver should be blamed, not X |
| 02:36.47 | develCuy | I'm trying to stream with vlc |
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| 02:37.01 | develCuy | but it comes without h264 encoding support :/ |
| 02:37.10 | develCuy | or I'm missing some package |
| 02:37.12 | develCuy | ? |
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| 02:37.22 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: I didn't say anything about it being xorg's fault, simply that I've seen it happen |
| 02:37.44 | Fare | finds a page online that explains the problem was his fstab not listing the file as /dev/mapper/root but /dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 02:37.55 | Fare | (automatic output of grml) |
| 02:38.10 | xeon-enouf | ok, well Ctrl-alt-bkspace has nothing to do with it Wyzard |
| 02:38.38 | xeon-enouf | and as i said - i've done MUCH worse with other inadvertant key pairs |
| 02:38.50 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: Sure it does, if it gets the system back into a usable state |
| 02:39.03 | xeon-enouf | no, i told you how to do that |
| 02:39.12 | DaCapn | So does anyone know how to interrupt something on the debian installer and return to the main installation menu? Maybe I can just pick a different installation mirror? |
| 02:39.14 | ctmjr | develCuy: to get that you need to install it from git i do believe or ask in #videolan |
| 02:39.23 | xeon-enouf | and many other key pairs do much worse |
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| 02:40.13 | xeon-enouf | ctrl + alt + backspace is NEVER needed |
| 02:40.14 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: You explained how to do it by switching to another VT; my point was that doing so might not be an option |
| 02:40.22 | xeon-enouf | period |
| 02:40.36 | develCuy | ctmjr, thanks you |
| 02:40.51 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: One could also log in from another machine and kill xorg, but that's inconvenient and requires having root on the machine |
| 02:40.52 | develCuy | s* |
| 02:41.01 | xeon-enouf | if you think it is, you're proprietary-blinded |
| 02:41.41 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: because xorg never ever hangs if you're not using a proprietary driver? |
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| 02:42.16 | xeon-enouf | doesn;t matter - there are MANY other ways to restart it or kill ir |
| 02:42.22 | xeon-enouf | it* |
| 02:42.56 | clarjon1 | ... |
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| 02:43.00 | xeon-enouf | and C-a-b always was wrong as it does no "cleanup" |
| 02:43.30 | clarjon1 | c-a-b is great when a fullscreen app locks up |
| 02:43.32 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: Name one that works if the mouse/keyboard aren't responding and you don't have root |
| 02:44.03 | xeon-enouf | kill -15 ; kill -2 ; and lastly kill -9 which is what c-a-b does |
| 02:44.07 | xeon-enouf | no bueno |
| 02:44.17 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: sysrq |
| 02:44.50 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: The X server runs as root; I can't send kill signals to it if I don't have root |
| 02:44.55 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: wait - why would c-a-b work if "if the mouse/keyboard aren't responding" ???? |
| 02:45.14 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: no it doesn't |
| 02:45.16 | Wyzard | Maybe with KMS that'll change soon though |
| 02:45.31 | xeon-enouf | it starts as root, then changes it's EUID |
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| 02:47.17 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: I just tried those kill commands against the X server running on my laptop and got "operation not permitted" for all of them |
| 02:48.31 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: no , my point was that all those -15, -2 should be tried BEFORE a -9 which is what 'no cleanup' means |
| 02:48.45 | Wyzard | and "ps x", which should show all processes with the same EUID as me, does not show the X server process |
| 02:49.01 | Wyzard | I understand what the different signal numbers are |
| 02:49.12 | xeon-enouf | and ofcourse you can't kill Xsrerver as user. but if it runs as root, why are we told not to run X as root user? |
| 02:49.12 | Wyzard | My point is that as a normal user I do not have permission to send any of them to the X server |
| 02:49.40 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: with sysrq you can kill anything |
| 02:49.57 | Wyzard | Your login session shouldn't run as root; that's different from the X server |
| 02:50.05 | xeon-enouf | otherwise, you might as well kill nothing |
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| 02:51.40 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: i login as root all the time |
| 02:51.45 | xeon-enouf | what's the worry? |
| 02:53.19 | Wyzard | Security flaws in programs like your window manager and various UI toolkit libraries, can be exploited to gain root privilege rather than just your-user privilege |
| 02:53.45 | elik | Wyzard, well, you have to be careful what you run as root, that's all |
| 02:53.48 | xeon-enouf | i never start X after i login as root though |
| 02:53.58 | Wyzard | Oh, you mean logging in as root on the console |
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| 02:54.01 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 02:54.05 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse |
| 02:54.14 | xeon-enouf | no DM here |
| 02:54.29 | Wyzard | though I don't see how it relates to the discussion (root-ness of X) |
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| 02:54.54 | clarjon1 | ffs |
| 02:54.57 | clarjon1 | i hate this |
| 02:55.00 | clarjon1 | this is rediculous |
| 02:55.08 | clarjon1 | Perhaps a reboot will clear this up |
| 02:55.11 | clarjon1 | but i doubt that |
| 02:55.12 | xeon-enouf | i asked, how X runs as root, yet it's not an issue compared to loggin in as root and starting X, -- what |
| 02:55.13 | elik | clarjon1, I know right |
| 02:55.17 | xeon-enouf | 's the diff? |
| 02:55.24 | clarjon1 | elik: My dns takes ~30 secs to resolv |
| 02:55.27 | clarjon1 | *resolve |
| 02:55.33 | clarjon1 | elik: for EVERY site |
| 02:55.49 | Tapout | strange issue, my bios doesn't see the USB flash drive as a floppy. So when I get into installing debian from flash, I select sdb, partition it, install base, install grub, reboot, and it ends up going to sda always.. wtf? |
| 02:55.56 | elik | clarjon1, we had that sort of issue before. Turns out the router was stupid enough to use the tertiary dns first |
| 02:56.06 | elik | clarjon1, and it was down |
| 02:56.07 | clarjon1 | elik: it was working this morning, no changes |
| 02:56.17 | elik | clarjon1, try to set your dns server manually |
| 02:56.17 | clarjon1 | brb |
| 02:56.22 | xeon-enouf | Xserver changes it's EUID/RUID in order to allow userspace control |
| 02:56.27 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: The X server process runs as root because it needs to talk to video hardware, but your window manager and all the other programs that you see when you log in are separate processes that do not run as root |
| 02:56.30 | clarjon1 | elik: it's set to use opendns |
| 02:56.35 | clarjon1 | elik: and it's using opendns |
| 02:56.40 | elik | ah... |
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| 02:56.50 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: so how do those gain root privs? |
| 02:57.19 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: in a nutshell "how does userspace enable root control"? |
| 02:57.39 | Wyzard | The programs in your login session? |
| 02:57.39 | xeon-enouf | Dbus? -- perhaps |
| 02:57.41 | Wyzard | They don't |
| 02:57.59 | xeon-enouf | grah -- no .. when i move my mouse, i am root? |
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| 02:58.34 | Wyzard | The process that receives the mouse input (the X server) is root |
| 02:58.43 | Wyzard | It draws the cursor on the screen |
| 02:59.01 | Wyzard | The applications that you seen on the screen are separate processes, not running as root, connected to the X server via sockets |
| 02:59.13 | xeon-enouf | why/how does it allow any user input control it? |
| 02:59.42 | xeon-enouf | oh here we go ... the sockets |
| 02:59.42 | Wyzard | When they want to draw stuff, they send messages to the X server via the socket, and when you click your mouse, the X server figures out what window you clicked in and sends a message to that client via its socket |
| 02:59.53 | xeon-enouf | but why does it ALLOW IT!? |
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| 03:00.12 | xeon-enouf | it's a root priv app - remember? |
| 03:00.33 | nevyn | Wyzard: well hwcursor bleh |
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| 03:00.42 | roe | any idea what package maildirmake is in? |
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| 03:00.53 | Wyzard | because when a client connects to the X server (e.g. you launch a program and it wants to display a window) it authenticates to the X server using a secret key which it reads from your ~/.Xauthority file, and which the X server has been told to accept |
| 03:00.56 | clarjon1 | ffs |
| 03:01.00 | clarjon1 | the reboot fixed it |
| 03:01.02 | nevyn | Wyzard: with xcursors and modern X the hardware draws the moving cursor btw |
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| 03:01.18 | Wyzard | nevyn: true |
| 03:01.39 | nevyn | Wyzard: the xserver loads a cursor into the hardware buffer and tells the hardware where the cursor is.. but doesn't blit |
| 03:02.08 | nevyn | yay for hardware sprites.. |
| 03:02.24 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: as a user, one can fake authentication easily to an xserver, the .Xauthority file is for convenience only |
| 03:03.35 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: but i'll concede - and do more homework before i revisit this with yuou ;-) thanks for lively convo |
| 03:03.38 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: The X server requires clients to know a secret value in order to connect... it doesn't care where they got it from, as long as they know it |
| 03:04.00 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: It relies on that secret value being stored in a safe place, which is taken care of by startx/gdm/whatever |
| 03:04.26 | nevyn | yeah a safe dotfile in your homedirectory |
| 03:04.44 | xeon-enouf | right |
| 03:04.53 | xeon-enouf | rw via user only - heh |
| 03:04.54 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: There's an X protocol extension (called SECURITY, I think) which allows a connected X client to generate a new key that it shares with the server |
| 03:05.01 | elik | yet another safe dotfile in your homedir |
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| 03:05.12 | elik | xeon-enouf, hopefully :) |
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| 03:06.38 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: so when you log in, that's done by startx/gdm/whatever, probably in the child process that's switched to your uid, sometime before that child process exec's your session |
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| 03:08.45 | Wyzard | hmm, now you have me wondering... what I don't know is, when the X server first starts, how the initial client gets connected to it securely |
| 03:10.23 | Wyzard | Oh, nm, I think the X server forks a child (which is trusted by inherently) and then exec's the client specified on its command line |
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| 03:13.03 | allure | hey... have you guys ever ran a Pfsense on a VM? |
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| 03:20.01 | DaCapn | Man I feel like a total retard. I took out an old etch install disc instead of the new lenny disc. |
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| 03:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | DaCapn, so what type of comment do you expect to come from us now? :) |
| 03:28.10 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 03:29.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort DaCapn |
| 03:29.17 | dpkg | There, there, DaCapn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:29.31 | clarjon1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i am in shock here. My laptop is fully working... after 2 years ... it's all working o.O |
| 03:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands clarjon1 an axe |
| 03:29.59 | clarjon1 | NO |
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| 03:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | time to start over with a new laptop... |
| 03:30.15 | DaCapn | Whatever. |
| 03:30.19 | clarjon1 | mine! |
| 03:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 03:30.25 | clarjon1 | i worked hard for this laptop |
| 03:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands clarjon1 a mine |
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| 03:31.20 | clarjon1 | hides it strategically inside the middle of the mattress of a certain troll that has attacked a great many of his friends on anothoer network. |
| 03:31.25 | clarjon1 | *another |
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| 03:39.20 | roe | can someone explain to me the differences between doing an ssb or just installing from squeeze (assuming they are the same versions) |
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| 03:41.26 | dondelelcaro | roe: ssb? |
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| 03:41.45 | roe | simple sid backport |
| 03:41.56 | dondelelcaro | roe: if you mean simple-sid-backport, and you're backporting to lenny, you can't just install from squeeze either. |
| 03:42.06 | roe | huh? |
| 03:42.23 | dondelelcaro | roe: you have to either use backports.org or backport it yourself. If you install from squeeze, you'll end up upgrading to squeeze (at least partially) |
| 03:42.32 | roe | right |
| 03:42.40 | roe | those are the options |
| 03:42.58 | dondelelcaro | roe: so what's the question, then? |
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| 03:43.19 | roe | running a lenny/squeeze machine or backporting it myself. I am interested in understand the repercussions of each scenario |
| 03:43.48 | dondelelcaro | roe: the first is totally unsupported; you might as well just use testing. The second is the way to go if you absolutely must have a new version |
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| 03:44.32 | dondelelcaro | roe: no one does testing on mixed distributions, and the complications of security updates and everything else make it something that is totally unrecommended |
| 03:44.35 | roe | doesn't using testing version help ensure the package stays somewhat patched? |
| 03:45.15 | roe | when patch of the software is released I have to do another backport? |
| 03:45.17 | dondelelcaro | roe: if you're using only testing, and testing security updates are keeping up, sure. |
| 03:45.37 | dondelelcaro | roe: but yes, if you're doing your own backport, you have to continue backporting it. What are you backporting, BTW? what is this machine doing? |
| 03:45.49 | roe | dovecot-imapd |
| 03:45.55 | dondelelcaro | roe: is there any reason why? |
| 03:46.27 | roe | other than the many bug fixes and features added to the 1.2.x branch? |
| 03:46.39 | dondelelcaro | roe: and additional bugs as well, yes. |
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| 03:46.54 | dondelelcaro | roe: but are there specific bugs you're running into in production? |
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| 03:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.42 | roe | haven't deployed the server yet |
| 03:47.49 | SuperMiguel | few days ago i tried a distro that bypassed the windows/linux login screens any idea whats the name of it?? |
| 03:48.17 | roe | but I have run into headaches with corrupting indexes etc, and am currently seeing some issues with the current cmu sieve implementation |
| 03:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !autologin |
| 03:48.22 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
| 03:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 03:48.59 | dondelelcaro | roe: I actually haven't seen those problems with the version distributed in stable (on the machines I run in production) |
| 03:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kdm autologin |
| 03:49.09 | dpkg | it has been said that kdm autologin is something that you really shouldn't be doing as your password is stored in clear text. But if you really want, then: KControlCentre -> System Admin -> Login Manager -> Convenience |
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| 03:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | SuperMiguel, any distribution that you configure to do so using kdm/gdm... |
| 03:50.15 | dondelelcaro | roe: so honestly, I'd just run the version we distribute in stable; if you see problems, then consider backporting or requesting that the maintainer backport 1.2.4, which probably can be done |
| 03:50.22 | SuperMiguel | CutMeOwnThroat, i meant bypass a windopws password |
| 03:50.29 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like index corruption is a huge problem, anyway) |
| 03:51.22 | roe | right, except from what I have read some of the conf files have changed syntax and format, making upgrading while in production less than ideal |
| 03:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ENOPARSE |
| 03:51.40 | clarjon1 | lol CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sorry... before I thought I might understand what he asks |
| 03:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I'm sure I don't |
| 03:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I'm certain |
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| 03:53.50 | dondelelcaro | roe: they changed quite a bit from pre 1.0 to 1.0, but I'm not sure how much they changed from 1.0 to 1.2; regardless, it's not a huge deal to test and change that configuration |
| 03:54.14 | Wyzard | kdm autologin stores your password? |
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| 03:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: it can do passwordless login |
| 03:54.26 | roe | and how concerned are you with the currently outstanding security whole in the cmu sieve plugin used in the 1.1 branch? |
| 03:54.34 | roe | s/whole/hole |
| 03:54.37 | dondelelcaro | roe: we don't distribute 1.1? |
| 03:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, is dpkg ever wrong? |
| 03:54.57 | roe | 1.1 and earlier I believe |
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| 03:55.36 | Wyzard | Sure, but the login manager is responsible for *verifying* your password when you type it; it runs as root and already has privileges to log you in |
| 03:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 03:56.25 | Wyzard | There'd be no sense in it storing a user's password in its configuration, unless it doesn't trust its own config file |
| 03:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but are that there's no reason for it and that it's a bit braindead sufficient reasons for it not to be so? |
| 03:56.42 | dondelelcaro | roe: and presumably 1.0 should be fixed with a DSA; I'm not sure why it hasn't been yet. |
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| 03:57.32 | dondelelcaro | roe: the bug is #546656 if you want to follow it |
| 03:57.50 | roe | yes |
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| 03:59.39 | dondelelcaro | (and the patch is so trivial, I'm not sure why it hasn't been fixed yet) |
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| 04:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, gdmsetup doesn't want a password for this - I think kdm might because this seems to be configured from the user account... |
| 04:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... it'd only be able to write to files writeable for this user? |
| 04:02.31 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | still seems a bit fishy |
| 04:02.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you wouldn't want bootup things look in user-writeable files |
| 04:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually gdm also has "timed login" |
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| 04:05.24 | intoxicadoo | does anybody know how to run sslstrip script correctly? |
| 04:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | naked? |
| 04:06.43 | clarjon1 | lol! |
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| 04:07.01 | clarjon1 | Don't forget the chicken bones, and the native chants ;) |
| 04:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say there IS NO sslstrip script |
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| 04:09.49 | intoxicadoo | I have done man in the middle correctly, then I download a python script but I don't know what is wrong |
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| 04:35.34 | dotsteve | popiey cock |
| 04:35.58 | RustiestNeedle | watch your mouth |
| 04:36.30 | dotsteve | wrong channel; my apologies |
| 04:37.09 | RustiestNeedle | #debian is not your gutter! |
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| 04:40.48 | helo | i have found myself too retarded to find a .img for a usb install... |
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| 04:41.27 | adb | !usb install |
| 04:41.27 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 04:41.42 | helo | ahh boot.img.gz |
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| 04:43.02 | adb | two click on http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 will get |
| 04:43.39 | adb | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 04:44.12 | adb | .. boot.img.gz |
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| 04:51.23 | Tapout | how do you find out a certain pids includes directory and libs directory? |
| 04:51.43 | Tapout | is there a standard way to probe? |
| 04:52.07 | simonrvn | what? |
| 04:52.40 | Tapout | i'm trying to compile 'sysbench'. It said; cannot find mysql_config, so tell me the libs+includes directories that it's using |
| 04:52.57 | simonrvn | what does that have to do with pids? |
| 04:53.22 | simonrvn | when building stuff you look for dev things i apt-cache search |
| 04:53.26 | simonrvn | in* |
| 04:53.36 | Tapout | well i was hoping there was ... show_debug <pid> .. and it resolves everything |
| 04:53.37 | Tapout | or what not |
| 04:53.44 | \amethyst | Tapout: mysql_config, as well as the mysql headers and libraries, is in libmysqlclient15-dev (lenny) or libmysqlclient-dev |
| 04:53.59 | Tapout | \amethyst, ahh missing that, I see.. thanks |
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| 04:55.06 | meowmiint | hi anyone here i am wanting to find out if its worth me ordering the 5 dvd set of debian |
| 04:55.24 | Tapout | why bother? |
| 04:55.28 | Tapout | why not download it |
| 04:55.37 | Tapout | unless it's a collectors item and you care |
| 04:55.45 | Tapout | or dialup |
| 04:56.11 | nsadmin | meowmiint: what are the factors that decide whether it's worth getting the dvds? |
| 04:56.13 | Tapout | Thanks \amethyst, boom , it worked |
| 04:56.37 | meowmiint | well i not on dialup but the last few times i tryed to burn an iso it dod not work. |
| 04:57.04 | meowmiint | thats what i am asking |
| 04:57.04 | nsadmin | under what os? |
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| 04:57.16 | meowmiint | linux mint the best one |
| 04:57.38 | nsadmin | if that's the best, then why debian? |
| 04:58.20 | meowmiint | i am actually going to follow this simple install guid to build my own. http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315 |
| 04:58.37 | meowmiint | to expand my knowledge |
| 04:58.57 | nsadmin | but mint is the best... how will debian expand? |
| 04:59.28 | meowmiint | it is a good i dea to go back down the line i started with mint, have then tested ubuntu and am ready to test ddebian |
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| 05:00.02 | nsadmin | ok, so you are choosing debian in order to learn. |
| 05:00.04 | nsadmin | right? |
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| 05:00.17 | meowmiint | see mint is based on ubuntu and ubuntu is based on debian. |
| 05:00.31 | meowmiint | mint has alot of shortcuts buile into it. |
| 05:00.49 | bpun | meowmiint, say ur name about everything uses binary |
| 05:01.01 | meowmiint | ^ ay |
| 05:01.22 | meowmiint | * buile = built |
| 05:01.24 | bpun | meowmiint, you still have no point |
| 05:01.33 | nsadmin | ok, so you are choosing debian in order to learn. |
| 05:01.34 | nsadmin | right? |
| 05:01.39 | RustiestNeedle | wait! mint is based on ubuntu!!!!!!11 |
| 05:01.47 | meowmiint | then you dont really understand about learning do you |
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| 05:01.59 | RustiestNeedle | and ubuntu on debian!!!! |
| 05:02.21 | nsadmin | I'm just repeating what I thought you said... did I get it right? |
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| 05:02.38 | meowmiint | its like this. i can learn to drive a car no problems. but to really understand how the car works i need a full knowledge of how its built |
| 05:02.56 | meowmiint | ^ true or not |
| 05:02.58 | nsadmin | just so you know... |
| 05:03.03 | nsadmin | that's a TALL order |
| 05:03.17 | meowmiint | yes mint is baised on ubuntu |
| 05:03.27 | meowmiint | ubuntu is baised on debian |
| 05:03.31 | bpun | meowmiint, no you dont. you just need a hammer to knock yourself out so u can fly anywhere you want |
| 05:03.33 | nsadmin | you're looking at maybe 4-5 semesters worth of material |
| 05:03.52 | meowmiint | no really |
| 05:04.04 | RustiestNeedle | meowmiint: that was a joke |
| 05:04.08 | meowmiint | just teaching myself like most ppl into linux |
| 05:04.24 | bpun | meowmiint, try pulling a cat out of your ass and repeat your own name.. you really want to be spoon fed |
| 05:05.08 | nsadmin | this is what you said, exactly: "i need a full knowledge of how (debian is) built"; parenthetical is mine. |
| 05:05.13 | meowmiint | no i dont i know alot about mint and ubuntu already so now i'm going to learn how to build my own os with debian. thats all |
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| 05:05.38 | stew | mint and ubuntu are best discussed in #linuxmint and #ubuntu |
| 05:05.40 | plt | anyone familiar with exim here ? |
| 05:05.52 | plt | please help ! |
| 05:06.03 | stew | plt: probably best to just ask your real question |
| 05:06.12 | nsadmin | plt, please ask a specific, informative question |
| 05:06.36 | Tapout | what's the best way to test disk io, bonnie? I'm trying compare different settings to see if the IO improves ... Needs to be in parallel tho |
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| 05:06.46 | meowmiint | what i was wanting to know is y there is like 5 dvds for debian. when most os dont need that |
| 05:07.18 | nsadmin | meowmiint: anyway, so you want to learn all the mechanisms used to build debian, and you're trying to find out about the dvds... |
| 05:07.19 | meowmiint | hi anyone here i am wanting to find out if its worth me ordering the 5 dvd set of debian |
| 05:07.27 | stew | meowmiint: for people that are installing packages onto machines that cannot get on a network |
| 05:07.28 | nsadmin | the thing is you don't need the dvds |
| 05:07.32 | plt | i am trying to create a new account in exim4 wihtout creating linux account and i used the user-add from /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-adduser it creates a file call /etc/exim4/passwd with an account |
| 05:07.33 | meowmiint | yes nsadmin |
| 05:07.39 | plt | but i can't send emali to that account for example |
| 05:07.43 | stew | meowmiint: if you can get onto the internet, you only need a ~150mb netinst cd |
| 05:07.52 | nsadmin | you can have them if you want them, but you don't need them |
| 05:08.05 | nsadmin | as stew is telling you, and more specifically too. |
| 05:08.27 | meowmiint | i know but its a waste to use a 700mb cd just for that |
| 05:08.35 | nsadmin | it's always nice to have a nice fast connection |
| 05:08.48 | stew | meowmiint: then use a cdrw or use the netinst image to create a install usb-key |
| 05:08.55 | meowmiint | i know about all that but i dont have that great internet setup atm |
| 05:09.03 | stew | meowmiint: is it less of a waste to fill the cd with a bunch of packages you probably wont need? |
| 05:09.22 | RustiestNeedle | yea because cdrom's are ungodly expensive |
| 05:09.27 | meowmiint | old comp no usb boot pemntium 4 what i got |
| 05:09.49 | meowmiint | they can be expensive cant they lol |
| 05:10.09 | nsadmin | the bandwidth is more expensive |
| 05:10.33 | meowmiint | over here they cost like 1000rand which is like one days pay roughtly |
| 05:10.34 | stew | i'd expect any pentium 4 to be amble to usb boot |
| 05:10.36 | plt | stew, meowmiint |
| 05:10.38 | plt | ? |
| 05:10.38 | nsadmin | (and before you say "I don't pay extra" remember that someone does.) |
| 05:10.50 | stew | plt: ? |
| 05:10.54 | meowmiint | well i know my computer it cant |
| 05:11.06 | RustiestNeedle | im on dialup and I still just get cd1 |
| 05:11.17 | plt | can you tell about this : |
| 05:11.18 | plt | i am trying to create a new account in exim4 wihtout creating linux account and i used the user-add from /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-adduser it creates a file call /etc/exim4/passwd with an account, but when i send email to that account i get it can't be routed, i can send email to another linux account though |
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| 05:11.48 | stew | any cd you install beyond the netinst means you are guaranteed to be downloading packages you'll never install |
| 05:12.16 | nsadmin | plt: maybe exim needs to be configured to be able to handle /etc/exim4/passwd |
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| 05:13.30 | meowmiint | o i get it now the first cd is the os the rest are packages that i could install |
| 05:13.53 | nsadmin | meowmiint: so my/our opinion is that it's not worth it for most people... they can download a netinst and install the base from that, and then get more packages separately |
| 05:14.28 | nsadmin | but you have choices, and you are of course welcome to do what you want |
| 05:14.57 | nsadmin | the 150 mb cd is just the installer and debian's base |
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| 05:15.39 | meowmiint | ok that is what i wanted to know |
| 05:16.09 | nsadmin | the first cd is probably the installer, the base and about 550 mb worth of more packages |
| 05:16.24 | RustiestNeedle | it says that on the debian site next to the images I think |
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| 05:24.28 | CryptoMole | hi all |
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| 05:25.08 | meowmiint | ok should i get the small cd or tiny cd download from here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 05:25.35 | nsadmin | meowmiint: probably... but you actually have another choice |
| 05:25.57 | nsadmin | you could try debootstrap and never download any CDs |
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| 05:26.31 | meowmiint | nsadmin: ????? explain that or give link please |
| 05:26.33 | nsadmin | (you have that choice because you're running linux on that machine) |
| 05:27.05 | nsadmin | !debootstrap |
| 05:27.05 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. Be aware that debootstrap can't include packages involving non-required Pre-Depends (e.g. `--include=linux-image-686' will fail), see #487908 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 05:27.43 | nsadmin | so in this way you can have your debian inside your mint |
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| 05:28.16 | meowmiint | well i dont really want that |
| 05:28.31 | meowmiint | it sounds like a virtual machine |
| 05:28.34 | nsadmin | you want to wipe the mint completely? |
| 05:28.43 | nsadmin | no, it |
| 05:29.06 | nsadmin | is less than a virtual machine, however you can use debootstrap to set up a virtual debian |
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| 05:30.00 | meowmiint | no i have 3 partitions of 8 gig for testing out other os |
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| 05:30.12 | meowmiint | adn another for my main mint install |
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| 05:30.40 | nsadmin | oh, so you want to put it on your existing unpartitioned space... note, you could try lvm as well |
| 05:31.27 | meowmiint | lvm ????? no i cant run a vm as i have not enough ram |
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| 05:31.33 | nsadmin | the current installer supports setting that up of you want to do it |
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| 05:31.59 | nsadmin | lvm is "logical volume management" and has to do with disk space and resizable volumes |
| 05:32.33 | meowmiint | no not for me |
| 05:32.57 | meowmiint | i am getting the small cd from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ok |
| 05:33.17 | nsadmin | ok,,, so finally, you are advised to read the lenny release notes and the installation guide |
| 05:33.53 | nsadmin | and you're welcoem to stay on this channel while you install |
| 05:34.40 | meowmiint | anyone know of a download manager that will allow me to pause downloads so i can turn off my computer then resume on reboot |
| 05:34.52 | stew | wget? |
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| 05:35.10 | nsadmin | which you should have a copy of |
| 05:35.19 | nsadmin | or which you can install |
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| 05:36.13 | bpun | meowmiint, the remote server also has to support resume |
| 05:36.37 | stew | is there a debian mirror that doesn't? |
| 05:36.44 | meowmiint | i am wanting it for .iso files my comp has brpblem downloading |
| 05:36.46 | bpun | oo that.. |
| 05:37.02 | meowmiint | going to take 1hr= to download even the small cd |
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| 05:38.37 | Andorin | How do I have a program start by itself when I log in? |
| 05:38.44 | nsadmin | you can use md5sum to check the iso |
| 05:39.06 | bpun | meowmiint, are u in new zealand? |
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| 05:39.19 | void_pointer | Andorin, there are a few ways. Is it a service or just a normal application you want to start? |
| 05:39.21 | nsadmin | Andorin: look at man bash, near the bottom is a FILES section... |
| 05:39.24 | nsadmin | read that |
| 05:39.31 | stew | Andorin: do you use a graphical environment or do you login to a text console? |
| 05:39.42 | Andorin | void_pointer: Normal application. |
| 05:39.47 | Andorin | stew: GNOME. |
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| 05:40.02 | stew | there should be some gnome way of doing it |
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| 05:40.07 | void_pointer | I'll let them handle it - helping someone else :) |
| 05:40.09 | stew | probably in gnome-control-center or such |
| 05:40.39 | nsadmin | tries apt-get install normal |
| 05:41.00 | bpun | Andorin, in 'sessions' item from menu preferences |
| 05:41.10 | stew | Andorin: in 'startup applications' in gnome-control-center |
| 05:41.13 | nsadmin | ooo! it wants to download 493 gigs of stuff!! |
| 05:41.16 | bpun | (somewhere in menu) |
| 05:41.22 | Andorin | Thanks. |
| 05:41.32 | Andorin | 493 gigs... o.o |
| 05:42.08 | nsadmin | fergit that... looks like I won't have normal... |
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| 05:47.13 | majhool | i recently upgraded xorg from 1.4.7 to 1.6.3, and as a result i've had to switch from the fglrx driver to the radeon driver. when i try startx with no xorg.conf, i get a black screen and the computer ceases to respond to mouse/kbd input. what's going on? |
| 05:47.15 | meowmiint | hi i'm downloading a debian immage what option do i slect http://imagebin.ca/view/H6nc7KnU.html |
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| 05:48.03 | meowmiint | stew: are you on both chanels |
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| 05:48.27 | stew | meowmiint: i'm on many channels |
| 05:48.33 | stew | meowmiint: which other one are you talking about? |
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| 05:48.51 | meowmiint | the same other one i am on #debian |
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| 05:49.03 | meowmiint | you are i just whois you |
| 05:49.06 | meowmiint | lol |
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| 05:49.38 | meowmiint | hi i'm downloading a debian immage what option do i slect http://imagebin.ca/view/H6nc7KnU.html |
| 05:50.04 | stew | meowmiint: why are you asking the same quesitons on both channels? |
| 05:50.32 | meowmiint | different people there |
| 05:50.58 | meowmiint | y else would i do it |
| 05:51.16 | neutrino | how do i change cc environment variable form gcc-4.3 to gcc-4.1? |
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| 05:51.25 | stew | to make the conversation harder to follow? |
| 05:51.28 | aju | i have converted ext3 to raid using mdadm ,but while booting it is giving (initramfs)# shell prompt with saying /dev/sda1 is busy mount failed |
| 05:51.49 | aju | how to solve this problem? |
| 05:52.02 | meowmiint | stew |
| 05:52.05 | aju | is there any way to convert raid to ext3? |
| 05:52.10 | meowmiint | maby for you not me i am used to it ok |
| 05:52.21 | meowmiint | 8maybe |
| 05:52.23 | majhool | neutrino: do you mean how do you make sure that /usr/bin/gcc points to the right version? check out update-alternatives |
| 05:52.34 | meowmiint | now can you answer my questian |
| 05:52.42 | stew | meowmiint: gcc isn't managed by update-alternatives |
| 05:52.50 | stew | meowmiint: no, sorry, i didn't understand it |
| 05:53.05 | stew | meowmiint: if you are asking which image to download, I thought we already covered that |
| 05:53.06 | bpun | neutrino, the manpage should say.. |
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| 05:53.23 | stew | meowmiint: sorry, ignore the gcc comment |
| 05:53.31 | stew | majhool: gcc isn't managed by update-alternatives |
| 05:53.57 | meowmiint | in the top left corner of the screen there is a box with options which one do i select http://imagebin.ca/view/H6nc7KnU.html |
| 05:54.30 | stew | meowmiint: i don't know |
| 05:54.45 | stew | meowmiint: you want to download a .iso of the netinst cd |
| 05:54.46 | majhool | oops |
| 05:54.47 | meowmiint | if you actually went to the imagebin link i pasted you would easily understand |
| 05:54.51 | bpun | =) |
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| 05:54.54 | stew | meowmiint: i did |
| 05:54.59 | meowmiint | ok |
| 05:55.11 | bpun | chuckles |
| 05:55.18 | neutrino | majhool, i need to compile the nvidia driver version with same gcc comiler as of kernel i.e 4.1 but it tires to compile it with the gcc-4.3, hence kernel module loader rejects it. |
| 05:55.37 | stew | meowmiint: i don't know what "recursive options" might be needed to download a single file |
| 05:55.44 | meowmiint | i went to the install adn it gave me that when started to downloaded |
| 05:55.45 | stew | meowmiint: you don't want any of those options |
| 05:56.19 | meowmiint | i thought site mirror would be ok |
| 05:56.28 | meowmiint | i hae to use one or i cant download it |
| 05:56.30 | bpun | meowmiint, you were saying how all these other distros are based on debian.. I doubt you know what we mean by "image".. it means one file only-> .iso |
| 05:56.39 | stew | meowmiint: ok. I think the site is somewhere around 300 gigs |
| 05:57.17 | stew | so, since you said the 150 mb cd would be an hour, i guess that would be, uhh |
| 05:57.38 | bpun | stew, i also asked him if he's from new zealand, perhaps he can choose a closer mirror.. |
| 05:57.39 | stew | dpkg: (300000/150) / 24.0 |
| 05:57.39 | dpkg | 83.333333333333 |
| 05:57.43 | stew | 83 days? |
| 05:58.00 | bpun | wonders if meowmiint is a cat or .. |
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| 05:58.15 | meowmiint | there are no sites in new zealand ok |
| 05:58.25 | bpun | meowmiint, dummy.. |
| 05:58.31 | stew | bpun: there is no need for that |
| 05:58.38 | meowmiint | bpun: shut it |
| 05:58.40 | bpun | meowmiint, i didnt say there's a mirror in new zealand.. |
| 05:58.45 | stew | meowmiint: there is http://ftp.nz.debian.org |
| 05:58.53 | bpun | well well.. |
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| 05:59.11 | stew | hmm that might not have a cd mirror |
| 05:59.24 | bpun | meowmiint, if u even bother to read.. people here try to help.. i even checked the mirror page for you.. so maybe i'll not help you |
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| 06:00.15 | bpun | heads for some 'em backspace work |
| 06:00.17 | meowmiint | bpun: slow down take a deep breth adn let stew talk to em if you are not in the frame of mind right now |
| 06:00.19 | meowmiint | i am |
| 06:01.35 | AruNatsu | i'm trying to compiled subtle-hg on debian, but when i run "rake" in the hg directory, it keeps saying "rake aborted! X11 was not found." but i have Xorg installed. can someone help me out here :S |
| 06:01.54 | meowmiint | this is the download that gave me the options http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 06:02.55 | stew | meowmiint: sorry, forget about ftp.nl.debian.org, its not s cdimage mirror |
| 06:03.02 | meowmiint | it seems straingue when people use the term netinstall cd. when the official site does not |
| 06:03.14 | stew | meowmiint: it uses the term "netinst" |
| 06:03.20 | meowmiint | yes thats what i thought when looking at it |
| 06:03.22 | pav5088 | I'm experimenting with Squeeze using an LDAP backend for Samba, and I'm wondering why "ldap ssl = yes" gives me a "WARNING: Ignoring invalid value 'yes' for parameter 'ldap ssl'" but if I type "ldap ssl = start tls" (incorrect) this is accepted as valid. |
| 06:03.36 | pav5088 | The documentation says both these values should be valid. |
| 06:03.45 | meowmiint | just cause i ask alot of questions bpun thinks i donknow anything |
| 06:03.45 | stew | meowmiint: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for instance |
| 06:04.36 | meowmiint | i am not on a network just a single home user |
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| 06:05.16 | stew | ok? |
| 06:06.48 | bpun | meowmiint, when i came into the channel you were talking like you knew so much.. then you never even improvise on anything. I guess I would be correct in saying you just want to drag things for nothing.. |
| 06:07.08 | stew | perhaps you two should ignore eachother |
| 06:07.17 | stew | so we can keep the conversation constructive |
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| 06:08.24 | meowmiint | i am not you everyone is different |
| 06:08.32 | meowmiint | ^ bpun |
| 06:08.42 | stew | meowmiint: let's keep it on-topic |
| 06:08.48 | meowmiint | yes |
| 06:08.52 | meowmiint | now where are we |
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| 06:11.16 | meowmiint | i think i have an install going tjhat will work i am going to be following this guide you should check it out its very informative. http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315 |
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| 06:12.39 | bpun | says golly-- here we got with the mint thing again |
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| 06:13.48 | Tapout | ??kernel |
| 06:13.53 | Tapout | ??recompile kernel |
| 06:14.19 | stew | Tapout: what? why? |
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| 06:15.26 | Tapout | stew, I need CONFIG_HZ_1000 |
| 06:15.36 | Tapout | so i'm looking for a good guide |
| 06:16.11 | superjoe | has anybody else experienced failure to boot into grub 2? |
| 06:16.14 | stew | Tapout: /msg dpkg kp |
| 06:16.23 | superjoe | chainloading worked, but then when I did upgrade-from-grub-legacy, I get error 15 |
| 06:16.54 | Tapout | thanks stew |
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| 06:33.41 | aju | hi am getting error ext3-fs while booting.so is it correct to run e2fsck to recover raid? |
| 06:34.50 | stew | aju: what error do you get? what does raid have to do with it? |
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| 06:38.20 | SparFux | Oh dear, this is really strange. I just installed 0.8.6 of gnash and still there are sound clicks and stuttering! |
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| 06:48.00 | fredl | wow, monopolycitystreets.com is fast on it's way to become the biggest FAIL of online gaming in history :P |
| 06:48.05 | fredl | good morning folks! |
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| 06:59.30 | meowmiint | hi anyone know where the checksum can be found for the i386 net install cd. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 06:59.48 | yang | Could someone suggest to me, which is the right "latex" package - there are so many ? |
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| 07:00.09 | Andorin | Can anyone recommend any DVD ripping software that's better than Thoggen? I ripped a DVD with Thoggen last night and the quality isn't too good. |
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| 07:00.23 | SparFux | This is unbelievable. Sound stops every 2 secs for 1 sec in gnash-mozilla-plugin and not a single report found on the net. Is this really gnash or is it something really weird and screwed up in my installation?? |
| 07:00.35 | Andorin | Or perhaps I fail at Thoggin. *plays with it* |
| 07:00.55 | yang | meowmiint: do you have netist CD image or business image? |
| 07:02.10 | meowmiint | http://www.pastebin.org/20152 here si the error i have been getting every time i have tryed to download and burn immages |
| 07:02.17 | meowmiint | netinstall |
| 07:02.28 | yang | meowmiint: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 07:02.36 | yang | check if the filename matches |
| 07:02.44 | meowmiint | i did say n^^^ what immage i had |
| 07:03.06 | yang | meowmiint: 52794007fa5cc7b90d18943e867f05de debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 07:04.56 | meowmiint | be081565b590980f44e02832fb6af79c my one |
| 07:05.23 | meowmiint | what the .... is going on |
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| 07:05.49 | yang | meowmiint: then get the iso from here |
| 07:05.51 | yang | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:06.00 | meowmiint | i am no longer able to download and burn .iso images anymore |
| 07:06.09 | evilgenius101 | need help with screwed up gnome install. |
| 07:06.26 | yang | meowmiint: these MD5SUMS belong to Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release |
| 07:07.03 | yang | for thaat other section, I don't know where MD5SUMs are |
| 07:07.23 | evilgenius101 | Someone plesae take a look, http://pastebin.com/m1f404908 errors in gnome-themes n stuff |
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| 07:12.34 | meowmiint | evilgenius101: google is your friend ;). We truly appreciate when you go there first, and a lot of the time, your questions can be answered there faster than here, so just keep it in mind. |
| 07:13.02 | meowmiint | my suggestion is to reinstall gnome |
| 07:13.23 | evilgenius101 | I tried kinda takes me back to the same issue |
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| 07:19.10 | nsadmin | meowmiint: so how'd it turn out? |
| 07:22.20 | evilgenius101 | can someone tell me how can i compeletely remove mysql from system |
| 07:22.40 | markn | evilgenius101: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 07:22.55 | evilgenius101 | i didn't have mysql server installed it was still there |
| 07:23.06 | markn | evilgenius101: apt-get remove --purge mysql* |
| 07:23.08 | evilgenius101 | now i got 2 in init.d mysql & mysqld |
| 07:23.42 | evilgenius101 | d one is 2002 error, otherone works, but D is what is linked to Direct Admin, and i can't do anything |
| 07:23.52 | markn | evilgenius101: to see if it's installed: dpkg --get-selections|grep mysql |
| 07:24.27 | evilgenius101 | ok, i got 5.0 & without 5.0 both installed |
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| 07:25.46 | evilgenius101 | i dont' need to do anything client right? |
| 07:26.14 | markn | evilgenius101: you need the client libraries if you want to access a remote mysql-server (or use an app that does) |
| 07:26.14 | Andorin | I have a question about debian-multimedia.org. Is there a line I can add to my /etc/apt/sources.list that will enable me to download software directly from this site using apt? |
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| 07:27.41 | dvinchi____ | Andorin, yes |
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| 07:28.16 | dvinchi____ | Andorin, ## Multimedia estable (actual) |
| 07:28.16 | dvinchi____ | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main |
| 07:28.24 | evilgenius101 | whats the diff b/w mysql-server-5.0 and simple? |
| 07:28.24 | Andorin | dvinchi____: thank you. |
| 07:28.53 | dvinchi____ | Andorin, then type sudo apt-get update |
| 07:29.06 | Andorin | Done. Thanks again. |
| 07:29.12 | dvinchi____ | and ready for install things from debian multimedia |
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| 07:31.20 | markn | evilgenius101: simple ? |
| 07:31.33 | evilgenius101 | mysql-server |
| 07:32.00 | markn | evilgenius101: try apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 07:32.07 | nsadmin | you should try postgres :P |
| 07:32.08 | markn | evilgenius101: will show you what the difference is |
| 07:32.37 | markn | evilgenius101: it's really just a pointer/link to the stable mysql-server version |
| 07:33.06 | evilgenius101 | i just purgged mysql* and its still there! |
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| 07:35.11 | Fatboy12345236 | xD anyone know ACWW? cuz I just pwned Crusader at his own game |
| 07:35.12 | Fatboy12345236 | xD |
| 07:35.17 | Fatboy12345236 | Sorry, off-topic |
| 07:36.24 | markn | evilgenius101: not sure why it's still there. Could be that it was removed and not purged the first time. |
| 07:36.39 | evilgenius101 | tried again |
| 07:36.40 | evilgenius101 | no |
| 07:36.40 | markn | evilgenius101: try to install mysql-server and then remove --purge mysql-server |
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| 07:42.13 | evilgenius101 | how can i only install mysql-server, not 5.0 too, it ads it along |
| 07:42.49 | kraut | moin |
| 07:43.18 | markn | evilgenius101: yes, it should |
| 07:43.29 | markn | evilgenius101: mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
| 07:43.36 | markn | evilgenius101: or whatever version is stable |
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| 07:49.53 | meowmiint | hi what i am wanting is an app list for xfce, gnome, kde etc to get an idea of what i am wanting |
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| 07:52.38 | meowmiint | hi what i am wanting is an app list for xfce, gnome, kde etc to get an idea of what i am wanting |
| 07:53.07 | mastro | meowmiint: eheh I think that "what I am wanting" isn't english :P but I got what you mean... there are a lot of site that list linux applications, what kind of application are you looking for? |
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| 07:53.39 | mastro | meowmiint: why don't you open Synaptic and use it to search what you want? |
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| 07:54.50 | harpal | I want to export CLASSPATH everytime on my terminal. so where should I set classpath? so every time I dont need to export? |
| 07:54.55 | meowmiint | mastro: english is my first language it is corect grammer ok |
| 07:55.50 | meowmiint | a list like the one at the end of this post http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=30403&p=175315&hilit=custom+debian+setup#p175315 |
| 07:55.51 | markn | harpal: add to your .profile og /etc/profile |
| 07:56.00 | meowmiint | i am wanting to build my own debian system |
| 07:56.02 | mastro | meowmiint: oh :) well english is not MY first languages :) and I never heard that construction :) good to know :) anyway don't mind about that what about my suggestion? |
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| 07:56.22 | meowmiint | so any app list for gnome, kde, xfce etc would be good |
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| 07:56.33 | harpal | markn: with export word or without export word? |
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| 07:56.51 | markn | harpal: export CLASSPATH=/path/to/lib/dir |
| 07:56.59 | markn | harpal: like you would write in your terminal |
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| 07:57.13 | meowmiint | i would rather have a list of all the apps like in the post i used ^ |
| 07:57.14 | harpal | markn: ok |
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| 07:58.01 | mastro | meowmiint: for gnome you can start here: http://www.gnomefiles.org/ |
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| 08:05.41 | iateadonut | can someone please help me fix the thing? |
| 08:07.42 | meowmiint | iateadonut: what thing explain |
| 08:07.52 | iateadonut | impossible! |
| 08:07.56 | meowmiint | ia: if you diont ask you want get help |
| 08:10.22 | xeon-enouf | iateadonut: put a hole in it |
| 08:11.10 | mastro | iateadonut: can you please help me to do the thing I had to do? |
| 08:13.33 | mastro | meowmiint: for kde http://www.kde-apps.org/ and anyway you just had to search "kde applications", "gnome applications" ... :) |
| 08:13.45 | mastro | meowmiint: or may be you want something different |
| 08:14.59 | meowmiint | well i will keep an eye here but will go back to google as gettign nowhere in here |
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| 08:16.25 | iateadonut | mastro, yes, i put it all up in pastebin for you. |
| 08:16.42 | iateadonut | pastebin.com/209824750293 |
| 08:17.01 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 08:17.38 | xeon-enouf | sunday was yesterday! |
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| 08:18.01 | jelly-home | it's Sunday forever |
| 08:18.23 | jelly-home | tho iateadonut wasn't a troll before |
| 08:19.02 | iateadonut | i was just joking. i didn't think i would ignite flames. |
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| 08:20.44 | iateadonut | if i set up a virtual host, can i host multiple domain names or just multiple subdomains of a single domain? |
| 08:22.16 | markn | iateadonut: you setup a virtualhost directive in apache for each subdomain OR domain you wish to host |
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| 08:25.06 | eipowal | i have mod /etc/network/interfaces. how to get the change recognised without re-boot? |
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| 08:25.32 | jelly-home | eipowal: ifdown device; ifup device |
| 08:25.55 | eipowal | jelly-home: not the restart command? |
| 08:26.13 | jelly-home | eipowal: or invoke-rc.d networking restart (which will down and up _all_ the devices) |
| 08:26.41 | jelly-home | make that s/devices/networking interfaces/ |
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| 08:27.34 | Developer | x |
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| 08:34.01 | fredl | Hmm, trying to install an opensolaris virtual host under KVM. Should that work? |
| 08:34.10 | eipowal | lspci does report the presence of the card. what to loook for next? |
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| 08:38.20 | fredl | it's just futtbucking slow for some reason, Hmm. |
| 08:38.56 | fredl | and here I am tapping enter several times to a non-responsive console that's remembering all my enters nonetheless :P |
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| 08:49.45 | iateadonut | don't use kvm. |
| 08:49.58 | iateadonut | use virtualbox |
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| 08:50.14 | H2S04 | virtualbox++ |
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| 08:53.17 | echosystm | i havent found anything in the wiki |
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| 09:00.47 | macrobat | if you want windows fonts, there are alternatives |
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| 09:04.31 | macrobat | judd: versions squid-common |
| 09:04.34 | judd | macrobat: squid-common -- etch: 2.6.5-6etch4 etch-security: 2.6.5-6etch4 sid: 2.7.STABLE3-1 etch-backports: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1 sid: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1 squeeze: 2.7.STABLE6-2 sid: 2.7.STABLE7-1 |
| 09:04.34 | echosystm | when you install something that must be run as a daemon |
| 09:04.44 | echosystm | does debian automagically set it to run? |
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| 09:05.10 | echosystm | eg. hal, fam, preload, alsa |
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| 09:05.43 | macrobat | yes, i think so. otherwise you see it in the man page |
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| 09:05.48 | eagle1 | hi |
| 09:05.52 | iateadonut | i think so. look in /etc/init.d/, right? |
| 09:06.30 | macrobat | i think you have to do something w ntop before it starts |
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| 09:07.09 | fredl | Google virtualbox kvm |
| 09:07.11 | echosystm | they all seem to be in there |
| 09:07.24 | fredl | you'll find some articles from people migrating from virtualbox to kvm |
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| 09:07.29 | eagle1 | sorry people there's some fix for this Linux Kernel 2.4/2.6 sock_sendpage at this time? |
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| 09:07.33 | markn | echosystm: try service --status-all |
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| 09:07.55 | fredl | so far my KVM experience has been great, I've not used virtualbox yet. |
| 09:08.10 | macrobat | echosystm: do /etc/init.d/hal start if they dont show up in top. check with sysv-rc-conf too |
| 09:08.17 | markn | echosystm: depends on the run-level, but most daemons will start aut. when installed |
| 09:08.30 | fredl | I now have opensolaris installing in a KVM virt, only needed to give it some more RAM, 512M just isnt enough I guess :) |
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| 09:12.15 | _tst | Hi! I have a question: I've set up a route using openvpn, tunneling the default route through it. I think some daemon, presumably dhcp, alter my routes in regular intervals. How, esp. where, can I configure my system that, while my tunnel is online, it won't touch the routing table? |
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| 09:12.19 | echosystm | have you used opensolaris before fredl |
| 09:12.20 | echosystm | ? |
| 09:12.31 | fredl | yes, quite a while ago though. |
| 09:12.42 | echosystm | youre going to get a suprise when it boots :P |
| 09:12.45 | _tst | (I'f I go offline my routes have been changed again ;-) ) |
| 09:12.52 | fredl | I used to be a Solaris sysadmin but there isn't enough work in it here in the Netherlands. |
| 09:12.55 | echosystm | (it takes FOREVER) |
| 09:13.00 | fredl | why's that echosystm ? |
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| 09:13.23 | echosystm | i installed it a little while ago on a vm and it took many minutes to boot |
| 09:13.31 | echosystm | i figured just the vm was slow |
| 09:13.39 | echosystm | installed it on my core2duo... almost as slow lol |
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| 09:14.14 | fredl | well it's booting right now, don't notice anything strange so far. |
| 09:14.30 | fredl | so we'll see :) |
| 09:14.45 | fredl | it looks pwetty :) |
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| 09:15.27 | iateadonut | i found that with kvm. virtualbox ran great, though. |
| 09:15.29 | iateadonut | very fast. |
| 09:15.33 | fredl | booted. |
| 09:15.38 | iateadonut | (especially after i got an extra 2G installed) |
| 09:15.46 | fredl | didn't take so long echosystm |
| 09:16.04 | iateadonut | there's something wrong with gemu but i don't remember what. but virtualbox just installs a new kernel and you boot with that and you're good to go. |
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| 09:16.24 | echosystm | really? |
| 09:16.26 | echosystm | weird |
| 09:16.32 | echosystm | must be something to do with my hardware then |
| 09:16.41 | fredl | yup, got the GUI up and running in no time. |
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| 09:16.58 | fredl | well I have reasonably powerful hardware, maybe that's why. |
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| 09:17.23 | fredl | got a Core i7 with 6GB of RAM but that shouldn't matter as I only gave solaris 1GB |
| 09:17.55 | echosystm | i have a c2duo 1.8ghz/2gb/wd raptor |
| 09:18.00 | echosystm | what are your harddrives like? |
| 09:18.21 | fredl | got two Samsung 1.5TB SATA disks in a RAID config. |
| 09:18.39 | echosystm | that probably helps ;) |
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| 09:19.00 | echosystm | but still, any c2duo should be more than fast enough |
| 09:19.11 | echosystm | solaris doesnt have anything _that_ amazing |
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| 09:19.27 | fredl | well ZFS... |
| 09:19.57 | _tst | no ideas? :( |
| 09:20.04 | fredl | and I remember from the time I started trying Solaris 11 in the early days that there's 'D' (?) which was really fantastic. |
| 09:20.44 | fredl | I'm sorry _tst, don't know. |
| 09:20.56 | echosystm | hrm, i have some odd bug in gnome |
| 09:20.58 | petemc | dtrace |
| 09:21.20 | echosystm | when i use the terminal as root |
| 09:21.25 | fredl | dtrace yeah. I've been experimenting with that at the time and that was really cool. |
| 09:21.29 | echosystm | i can no longer reboot through the menus |
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| 09:21.37 | echosystm | it's like it severs the link |
| 09:21.48 | echosystm | but then if i open firefox or something my computer reboots :/ |
| 09:22.12 | Jeeves_Moss | how can I copy my home directory to an external drive from the CLI? I'm running a live CD right now |
| 09:22.41 | _tst | Ok, I change the wording: if I change dhcp to static in /etc/network/interfaces, does dhcliebnt still interfere, or do I have to configure somewhere else? :) |
| 09:23.32 | fredl | on the whole I've always really liked Solaris, maybe even better than Linux but Linux just took a great jump in available application/drivers compared to Solaris. |
| 09:24.41 | majhool | _tst: supposing you supply a valid static ip stanza, dhclient will not be launched |
| 09:25.13 | _tst | Yeah, sure ... my IP is static, effectively (VMware) |
| 09:25.26 | majhool | _tst: actually, even if it's not valid dhclient will not be launched, so long as it's marked as "static" and not "dhcp" |
| 09:25.39 | majhool | _tst: well, a static lease is different than a static ip |
| 09:25.46 | majhool | no matter what |
| 09:26.04 | _tst | Yes sure, but ... It's a VMware subnet with one computer on it, so I should be free to choose my IP ... |
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| 09:26.16 | _tst | well I'lltry, can go back to dhcp anytime. |
| 09:26.19 | majhool | _tst: yep, you should |
| 09:26.45 | _tst | currently I'm using ssh + port forward + openvpn tunneling for direct inet access. |
| 09:27.02 | majhool | ssh and openvpn? |
| 09:27.27 | _tst | yeah, it doesn't make sense on first glance, but it does in this setup. |
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| 09:28.35 | _tst | frankly, I'm amazed it works at all ... |
| 09:28.50 | syncx | psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory |
| 09:28.50 | syncx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.50 | syncx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.57 | syncx | why i am seeing this message? |
| 09:29.07 | syncx | i get psql thru apt-get |
| 09:29.10 | fredl | hmmm the solaris virt is using only 17% of the assigned 1GB |
| 09:29.31 | nsadmin | syncx is the postmaster running? |
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| 09:30.01 | nsadmin | what packages did you install exactly? |
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| 09:39.58 | jaggz- | I get "The configuration could not be loaded." "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." even when entering my proper root password. This happens when trying to use the network or network tools options in kde. |
| 09:40.09 | jony123 | Is there a special way to 'startx' in lenny? |
| 09:40.18 | H2S04 | jony123, startx. |
| 09:40.19 | H2S04 | :P |
| 09:40.40 | jaggz- | no that's the normal way... he wants a different.. special way. ;) |
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| 09:40.47 | H2S04 | jony123, if everything is installed properly startx should startx. |
| 09:40.59 | markn | jony123: is a display manager? gdm, xdm ? |
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| 09:42.14 | jony123 | i know what i havn't done now |
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| 09:43.11 | jony123 | install fluxbox but not xorg |
| 09:43.15 | jony123 | installed* |
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| 09:56.07 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:56.07 | dpkg | 11:41 < greycat> o/~ BREEZY, BREEZY / GIVE ME THE ANSWER, DUDE! / I INSTALLED IT / AND NOW ALL MY DISKS ARE SCREWED! o/~ (add "lol" to taste) |
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| 09:57.41 | themill | heh |
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| 10:10.47 | echosystm | is it still necessary to have a /boot partition? |
| 10:11.03 | echosystm | i always put one at the start of my drive due to the "cant boot beyond 8gb" thing |
| 10:11.16 | echosystm | figured it was good practice... but is this still needed? |
| 10:11.19 | petemc | no |
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| 10:11.34 | simonrvn | echosystm: um, unless you have really old hardware, no. |
| 10:11.48 | echosystm | lets say i had a 30gb windows partition, followed by the remainder for / |
| 10:11.56 | echosystm | would it boot? |
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| 10:12.47 | petemc | assuming you had a working mbr, yes |
| 10:12.51 | echosystm | right |
| 10:13.04 | echosystm | where did that ~8gb limit come from anyhow? |
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| 10:14.14 | aidehua | I've been symptomatic with what I thought was swine flu for 36 hours, and have just got some Tamiflu, but my fever has subsided, and I just ache a lot. Should I still take the antivirals? |
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| 10:15.21 | petemc | aidehua: there are probably more appropriate forums for such a question |
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| 10:15.39 | ribasushi | aidehua: did you try removing libcomerr2? |
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| 10:16.37 | aidehua | petemc: but #debian knows everything! |
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| 10:17.15 | aidehua | Maybe knowledge of correct swine flu remediation procedures are confined to the UK. (I'm in the UK.) |
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| 10:18.54 | et | aidehua: maybe you should ask a doctor that question? ;) |
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| 10:21.09 | valdyn | id probably sell the tamiflu |
| 10:21.21 | aidehua | It's actually really easy to get hold of. |
| 10:21.35 | petemc | in the uk.. |
| 10:22.04 | petemc | aidehua: anyway, theres a website/helpline for all your swine flu related questions |
| 10:22.15 | themill | points aidehua in the direction of NHS direct |
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| 10:26.13 | aidehua | I probably don't even have swine flu, if I'm over the fever by now. This is bad news: having just sufferred mini-flu, I've still got the inevitable swine flu to look forward to :( |
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| 10:29.16 | morpheuss | guys im not able to see video in vlc janus |
| 10:29.32 | morpheuss | using debian lenny |
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| 10:30.15 | morpheuss | [00000304] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID' |
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| 10:30.29 | bluecitrus | You need to get an Xvid decoder |
| 10:30.31 | morpheuss | this is what im getting while trying to run vlc |
| 10:30.35 | echosystm | sounds like someones stealing your megahurts |
| 10:30.52 | bluecitrus | Even on non xvid videos? Like mpg? |
| 10:31.02 | echosystm | have you tried reinstallign it? you shouldnt need to install xvid decoder |
| 10:31.15 | morpheuss | yep i did |
| 10:31.30 | morpheuss | bluecitrus, ya even on mpg |
| 10:31.40 | morpheuss | and ffmpeg is installed |
| 10:31.41 | bluecitrus | Actually, by any chance have you added debian-multimedia to your repository list, I had a similar issue and a package from there was the cause |
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| 10:31.58 | morpheuss | yep i did bluecitrus |
| 10:32.02 | morpheuss | :( |
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| 10:32.32 | bluecitrus | See if I can find the package name, it was something that was included with mplayer from there |
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| 10:33.32 | bluecitrus | It was libavcodec I think, you may need to purge it, remove debian multimedia from your repository list and get it from the debian source |
| 10:34.45 | bluecitrus | see: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/308719-vlc-not-showing-video.html |
| 10:34.53 | hark | debian multimedia packages is definitely the reason, lenny's ffmpeg packages will work fine |
| 10:34.56 | morpheuss | just now installed it |
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| 10:35.12 | morpheuss | am able to play mpg files |
| 10:35.20 | morpheuss | but not avi |
| 10:35.27 | flaccid | i'm getting mount: Could not find any loop device. Maybe this kernel does not know about the loop device? (If so, recompile or `modprobe loop'.) in lenny wehn trying mount -o loop, what am i doing wron g? |
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| 10:37.33 | petemc | flaccid: are you in a vm? |
| 10:37.42 | flaccid | yeah xen/amazon ec |
| 10:37.43 | flaccid | ec2 |
| 10:37.47 | lord_rob | Hi ! Any idea of the status of package uswsusp in Sid ? I still use the version in Testing as I fear the version of Sid to crash |
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| 10:38.49 | echosystm | how can i install debian without it changing the clock to UTC? |
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| 10:39.31 | petemc | echosystm: you can configure that in /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:40.03 | hark | morpheuss: what's the output of aptitude search '~n~i~Ouno' |
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| 10:40.26 | echosystm | is there a parameter to put into the installer? |
| 10:41.02 | rick___ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:42.13 | morpheuss | hark, nothing |
| 10:42.47 | hark | echosystm: the installer asks you about the clock iirc |
| 10:43.18 | morpheuss | hark do i really need to purge libavcodec ? |
| 10:43.42 | echosystm | it used to |
| 10:43.46 | echosystm | it doesnt seem to ask anymore |
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| 10:44.39 | hark | morpheuss: did you remove the debian-multimedia repo from your sources.list? |
| 10:44.57 | Tux^verdreifelt | how can i execute an app on a certain xfce desktop, like the fourth? |
| 10:45.08 | hark | morpheuss: you don't, you need the libavcodec package among others |
| 10:45.47 | hark | Tux^verdreifelt: maybe look into devilspie or use another wm |
| 10:46.09 | Tux^verdreifelt | now that doesn't actually help, lol |
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| 10:46.38 | hark | !info devilspie |
| 10:47.10 | dpkg | devilspie: (find windows and perform actions on them), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 10:47.44 | Tux^verdreifelt | gnome? |
| 10:48.27 | hark | yes, but you can check if it works with xfwm4 |
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| 10:48.35 | Tux^verdreifelt | tries |
| 10:48.38 | rick___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.35 | hark | rick___: what happens when you run /etc/init.d/gdm start ? |
| 10:50.06 | hark | rick___: also what's the gdm line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 10:51.26 | hark | morpheuss: well? |
| 10:51.49 | valdyn | rick___: try "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 10:51.58 | valdyn | uh nm, hark's on it |
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| 10:52.56 | rick___ | "/etc/init.d/gdm start"> "Not starting GNOME Display Manager; it is not the default display manager." |
| 10:53.39 | rick___ | "/etc/X11/default-display-manager": true |
| 10:53.56 | hark | rick___: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 10:54.27 | markn | rick___: dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm |
| 10:55.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | hark: devilspie works, great |
| 10:55.19 | markn | rick___: will let you choose the default display manager |
| 10:55.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | thank you very much |
| 10:55.19 | valdyn | rick___: why did you put true in there? |
| 10:55.19 | Tux^verdreifelt | :-) |
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| 10:55.31 | rick___ | dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm> "Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm." |
| 10:55.48 | hark | Tux^verdreifelt: np, nice |
| 10:55.57 | rick___ | valdyn: I dont know.. someone in this channel told me so.. |
| 10:56.05 | valdyn | rick___: now look again at /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 10:56.10 | valdyn | rick___: what a moron |
| 10:56.21 | rick___ | valdyn: now I have to repair things.. |
| 10:56.56 | omid8bimo | how can i make iso of several direcoties on one iso? |
| 10:57.25 | valdyn | omid8bimo: symlink all directories into one main directory |
| 10:57.26 | omid8bimo | mkisofs -R -J -o dta.iso dir1 dir2 wont work! |
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| 10:57.37 | hark | valdyn: what was he doing? |
| 10:57.40 | simonrvn | valdyn: because that's what we've recommended here in the past to stop it from starting up. |
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| 10:57.48 | simonrvn | !+nodm |
| 10:57.48 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 10:57.54 | valdyn | simonrvn: yea |
| 10:58.08 | simonrvn | though it's false, not true, hehe |
| 10:58.11 | hark | oh, he put 'true' there :) |
| 10:58.12 | omid8bimo | so any suggection? |
| 10:58.49 | valdyn | simonrvn, hark: i got to the probably premature conclusion that true tried to enable the dm |
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| 10:59.47 | hark | wonder why dpkg-reconfigure gdm didn't overwrite it? |
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| 11:00.15 | omid8bimo | valdyn: how to sym link all into one? |
| 11:00.36 | omid8bimo | or how to create iso image from several dirs? |
| 11:02.00 | valdyn | omid8bimo: mkdir myiso; cd myiso; ln -s /path/to/onedir; ln -s /path/to/anotherdir |
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| 11:03.24 | valdyn | omid8bimo: then cd .. ; mkisofs -R -J -o dta.iso myiso |
| 11:03.57 | valdyn | omid8bimo: mkisofs might have a flag as to how to treat symlinks though, i dont remember |
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| 11:08.51 | rick___ | hi again.. I restarted but gdm still does *not* autostart |
| 11:09.09 | morpheuss | hark i removed the multimedia repo |
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| 11:10.00 | petemc | rick___: pastebin the output of ls -la /etc/rc?.d/ |grep gdm and cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 11:10.51 | rick___ | petemc: which /etc/rc?.d ?? |
| 11:11.05 | petemc | rick___: exactly as i typed it |
| 11:11.08 | rick___ | ah |
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| 11:11.37 | Blackhold | hello, I've got a microsd card reader, with all microsd cards it mounts the partition, but with one it don't, in windows it could mount but is inaccessible, in linux this same card it don't creates /dev/sdb, how to force to udev force creation of /dev/sdb? |
| 11:11.38 | hark | morpheuss: ok, that's why the command did not show anything |
| 11:11.54 | hark | morpheuss: so, i assume you still have dmm packages installed |
| 11:12.00 | darkdawn | rick: try invoke-rc.d gdm restart |
| 11:12.10 | hark | rick___: it should say /usr/bin/gdm |
| 11:12.24 | clarjon1 | Morning all |
| 11:12.41 | morpheuss | ya hark |
| 11:12.44 | hark | morpheuss: i helped someone way back with this, let me just get the command |
| 11:12.54 | omid8bimo | valdyn: gotcha, thanks dude |
| 11:12.58 | morpheuss | sure hark |
| 11:13.15 | rick___ | petemc: i posted on pastebin, name is rick |
| 11:13.29 | petemc | rick___: you need to tell us the url |
| 11:13.30 | rick___ | http://pastebin.com/d7dca8955 |
| 11:14.06 | petemc | rick___: /etc/X11/default-display-manager should say /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 11:14.14 | petemc | not 'true' |
| 11:14.17 | beli | someone here familiar with userquota? i installed quota and quotatools....added block limit for an user, but i can create files like i want.....though quota -v shows up quota limits |
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| 11:15.08 | rick___ | petemc: "echo /usr/sbin/gdm > /etc/X11/default-display-manager" ?? |
| 11:15.29 | petemc | rick___: im sure you can figure out one of the many ways you can edit a text file |
| 11:15.42 | rick___ | ok |
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| 11:16.01 | rick___ | will restart now. |
| 11:16.19 | hark | morpheuss: apt-get install --reinstall libavcodec51=0.svn20080206-17 libavformat52=0.svn20080206-17 libavutil49=0.svn20080206-17 libpostproc51=0.svn20080206-17 libswscale0=0.svn20080206-17 |
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| 11:17.07 | morpheuss | ok hark |
| 11:17.08 | hark | morpheuss: this is from March, hopefully the versions are still the same otherwise you'll have to adjust it accordingly |
| 11:17.32 | morpheuss | ok will try hark |
| 11:17.33 | hark | morpheuss: then, rm ~/.vlc/cache/plugins*.dat |
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| 11:19.19 | hark | morpheuss: you are running lenny though, right? |
| 11:19.19 | morpheuss | ya |
| 11:19.37 | ribasushi | damn |
| 11:19.59 | hark | dmm + vlc + lenny = fail |
| 11:20.27 | ribasushi | booting 201 - if the root filesystem is ext3 and if the data=X setting in fstab and in tune2fs do not match you get a nice RO file system on boot |
| 11:20.49 | morpheuss | oops |
| 11:21.02 | morpheuss | anyways will try with totem |
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| 11:21.08 | morpheuss | hope it works |
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| 11:21.31 | woshty | will iceweasel 3.5 move out of experimental any time soon? |
| 11:21.32 | rick___ | petemc: thank you, gdm now autostarts again! :)) |
| 11:22.08 | petemc | np |
| 11:22.24 | rick___ | petemc: from a logfile I know who told me: "abrotman wants you to know: ... NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, ..." |
| 11:22.50 | fredl | Hrmm |
| 11:22.57 | petemc | rick___: right, thats to have no display manager, that doesnt mean that change false to true is correct tho |
| 11:23.06 | hark | rick___: yeah, that's to disable it... but you put is as true :) |
| 11:23.12 | fredl | anybody happen to have a good NZB for a Windows XP install CD laying around? |
| 11:23.24 | morpheuss | Thanks hark :) |
| 11:23.32 | fredl | just wanna try out to install it in KVM |
| 11:23.34 | rick___ | I should have checked whats inside the file before echoing false |
| 11:23.36 | petemc | fredl: this channel is for debian support, not warez |
| 11:23.46 | fredl | petemc, alright alright, fair enough :) |
| 11:24.31 | hark | morpheuss: i see there have been updates since then. the way to do it is to do an apt-cache policy packagename and get the version number. substitute it in the command |
| 11:24.38 | rick___ | petemc: thank you again and goodbye |
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| 11:28.54 | morpheuss | hark do we have better alternatives than vlc? |
| 11:29.40 | hark | mplayer is good too |
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| 11:30.31 | a-s | how can I find *.h using file command? |
| 11:30.44 | a-s | find -name *.h does not work. |
| 11:30.44 | xeon-enouf | file? use find |
| 11:30.47 | petemc | why would you use file for that? |
| 11:30.58 | a-s | find, sorry |
| 11:30.58 | petemc | a-s: find -name \*.h |
| 11:31.02 | xeon-enouf | find . -name '*.h' |
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| 11:31.41 | xeon-enouf | a-s: /msg dpkg using find |
| 11:31.44 | a-s | hm. why find -name \*.h worked, whyle find -name *.h does not? |
| 11:31.44 | stonie | hi how do i check if a PSU is AT or ATX - without unscrewing the case ... :-) |
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| 11:32.26 | abrotman | stonie: probably ask ##hardware .. but the age is a decent indicator .. pretty much no one has used AT since PII era |
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| 11:32.31 | xeon-enouf | a-s: the * is expanded by the shell, so it needs protection (the ' ') , or to be escaped (the '\') |
| 11:32.34 | simonrvn | a-s: because you didn't specify what to look for |
| 11:33.03 | xeon-enouf | stonie: interesting, 3 wire plug on back ;-) |
| 11:33.09 | a-s | stonie: cat /proc/cpuinfo and afterwarss look at the processor's doc to see on how board it works |
| 11:33.14 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: p-pro! |
| 11:33.20 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: that was before PII |
| 11:33.22 | a-s | xeon-enouf: i see |
| 11:33.25 | abrotman | and they all still have three wires |
| 11:33.31 | stonie | thanks - processor is a PII |
| 11:33.39 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: pIIs are all ATX iinm |
| 11:33.45 | abrotman | stonie: ask ##hardware if they have a better idea |
| 11:33.47 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: no |
| 11:33.50 | a-s | simonrvn: i did specify, but what I specified did not arrive to command find. |
| 11:33.51 | hark | morpheuss: especially mplayer + w32codecs |
| 11:33.55 | stonie | tyvm |
| 11:34.43 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: example? |
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| 11:34.46 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i'm pretty sure i've seen PII-era AT mobos |
| 11:34.52 | morpheuss | hark looks cool |
| 11:34.55 | simonrvn | a-s: no you didn't. you did when you used -name |
| 11:34.59 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: doubt it |
| 11:34.59 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: yes .. i have examples .. they're in your closet |
| 11:35.07 | simonrvn | you just assumed you did |
| 11:35.07 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: fine .. prove me wrong .. have fun |
| 11:35.12 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: no, those are just my calculators! |
| 11:35.12 | rick___ | petemc: theres another little problem, may I ask you again for help? |
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| 11:35.22 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: and get out of meh closet! |
| 11:35.25 | petemc | rick___: just ask in the channel |
| 11:35.35 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 11:36.01 | woshty | stonie: take look at the back of the computer maybe? |
| 11:36.21 | stonie | woshty, that will tell me what? |
| 11:36.27 | rick___ | I have gdm now autostarted again with autologin. but my chosen german keyboard layout is not applied. (its applied only when I manually login without autostart) |
| 11:36.29 | abrotman | or ask ##hardware |
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| 11:37.05 | thnee | http://pastebin.com/m92f6fe6 can anyone tell me what package i am missing from these compile errors? |
| 11:37.26 | woshty | stonie: if there is a big round keyboard thingy all on its own, it is ATX .. if there is the stacked modern day setup, it is atx |
| 11:37.48 | woshty | ATX should be at, atx stays atx .. |
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| 11:37.54 | stonie | ah also good point yes, thanks ... |
| 11:38.06 | rick___ | petemc: I have gdm now autostarted again with autologin. but my chosen german keyboard layout is not applied. (its applied only when I manually login without autostart) |
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| 11:41.00 | rick___ | petemc: I have gdm now autostarted again with autologin. but my chosen german keyboard layout is not applied. (its applied only when I manually login without autostart) |
| 11:41.12 | abrotman | woshty: FWIW, adapters did exist |
| 11:41.30 | echosystm | is anyone here running gnome? |
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| 11:41.35 | echosystm | i have a quick question |
| 11:41.43 | xeon-enouf | stonie: yes, see form-factors.org - and wikipedia, and google images ;-) |
| 11:41.58 | SlayerXP | echosystm: do we have to guess what it is? |
| 11:42.17 | xeon-enouf | haha @ "big round keyboard thingy" .. but yeah :-p |
| 11:42.18 | echosystm | the "places" menu in gnome |
| 11:42.29 | echosystm | does it open the full version of nautillus for you? |
| 11:42.36 | echosystm | or does it open that cut down version |
| 11:42.38 | SlayerXP | i do |
| 11:42.39 | abrotman | the big round thing won't tell you if the PSU is AT/ATX .. it will tell you if the mobo is |
| 11:42.44 | stonie | here its called DIN-Plug |
| 11:43.01 | xeon-enouf | stonie: the mobo connectors will tell you as well - but you don't want to open the case? |
| 11:43.13 | echosystm | nevermind, fixed it |
| 11:43.14 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: you can't have a ATX PSU on an AT mobo |
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| 11:43.27 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: adapters existed |
| 11:43.30 | LobbyZ | Anyone here good on Horde? #Horde is a bit inactive |
| 11:43.38 | abrotman | LobbyZ: on Debian? |
| 11:43.40 | LobbyZ | yes |
| 11:44.05 | abrotman | LobbyZ: you can just ask .. but you should state if you are using the debian horde packages or the tar.gz from their site |
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| 11:44.09 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: no wai .. the way Power was distributed is totally different, you're thinking of slotket adapters for CPUs :-p |
| 11:44.16 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: nope |
| 11:44.18 | woshty | there were tons of power supplies both with atx and at connectors .. i am trying to think whether there were boards with both .. |
| 11:44.37 | xeon-enouf | AT has live power - hence danger .. ATX eliminated that |
| 11:44.41 | stonie | xeon-enouf, yo thanks i know but no, i dont want - nor can - open the case now |
| 11:44.52 | woshty | stonie: reboot .. look at bios output .. google |
| 11:44.54 | LobbyZ | okay how do i create a user as i used their initial script and well.. it dosnt allow me to login. I'm using the tar.gz from their site |
| 11:44.55 | abrotman | stonie: welding torch! |
| 11:45.00 | xeon-enouf | stonie: all pIIs are ATX |
| 11:45.06 | abrotman | are not |
| 11:45.12 | xeon-enouf | prove me wrong! |
| 11:45.19 | xeon-enouf | have fun ;-) |
| 11:45.21 | stonie | arent thats what the guys in hardware say too |
| 11:45.30 | woshty | abrotman: so no skrews .. good idea |
| 11:45.45 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: see .. told you |
| 11:45.57 | xeon-enouf | then it's not a pII - i've been in #hardware - some of those poeple are asshats stonie ;-) |
| 11:45.58 | rick___ | may I ask for help with my keyboard layout problem? when I have gdm autostarted with *autologin*, my chosen german keyboard layout is not applied - its applied only when I manually login without autostart. |
| 11:46.07 | stonie | kk :) |
| 11:46.26 | abrotman | http://www.4gamers.com/UHardware/product1.asp?oItem=117 .. works with AT |
| 11:46.36 | stonie | its atx, from all connectors, keyboard and switches :) tyvm |
| 11:46.44 | xeon-enouf | stonie: listen - to change out the PSU you have to open the case anyway - so do the deed prior to ordering - and don't ZAP yourself please ;-) |
| 11:46.50 | xeon-enouf | bingo |
| 11:46.54 | abrotman | and another http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53161321.html |
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| 11:47.00 | stonie | :) ty |
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| 11:47.55 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: interesting - ok, i concede - thanks ;-) |
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| 11:48.09 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: you're just too young ... |
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| 11:48.52 | rick___ | may I ask for help with my keyboard layout problem? when I have gdm autostarted with *autologin*, my chosen german keyboard layout is not applied - its applied only when I manually login without autostart. can anyone help? |
| 11:48.55 | xeon-enouf | is like an eclectic collection of all three stooges .. rolled into one :-P |
| 11:49.37 | abrotman | rick___: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. or specify it manually in your xorg.conf |
| 11:49.38 | GMF` | i am thinking about to update my debian but im scared about what will happen to the mailserver setup |
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| 11:49.48 | abrotman | GMF`: you'll have to do it some day? |
| 11:49.57 | GMF` | abrotman, i think so |
| 11:50.10 | abrotman | so why not a tuesday! |
| 11:50.11 | rick___ | abrotman: how do I specify it manually in xorg.conf? |
| 11:50.11 | GMF` | i've been messing around updating single packages |
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| 11:50.54 | abrotman | rick___: should be the keyboard section .. you could use "X -configure" and man xorg.conf to get a better idea how |
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| 11:51.36 | xeon-enouf | stonie: let's put it this way, if it is/was an AT, ditch it ;-) (although i still have a p-pro babyAT here ;-)) Mark the connectors where they hook up to the On/Off power switch from the PSU prior to removing (should be color-coded wiring as well) |
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| 11:52.25 | GMF` | I'm running postfix + mysql + courier imap + courier authdaemon + postfix admin + horde webmail + amavisd + clamav + spamassassin |
| 11:52.45 | GMF` | I see critical to update all this stuff together I'm pretty sure something will goes wrong |
| 11:52.54 | rick___ | abrotman: here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m3d55d6fd -- there is no keyboard section? |
| 11:53.06 | woshty | at power supplies rarely broke down btw .. compared to modern stuff |
| 11:53.09 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: start reviewing Changelogs |
| 11:53.22 | xeon-enouf | woshty: i had to replace mine ;-) |
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| 11:53.30 | radoe_ | rick___: well, then add one? |
| 11:53.32 | xeon-enouf | $22.00, IIRC |
| 11:53.50 | woshty | xeon-enouf: yes, but not every 2 years |
| 11:53.56 | abrotman | rick___: right .. you might have to create one .. |
| 11:53.57 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 11:54.17 | GMF` | xeon-enouf, where do I read the changelogs before the update ? |
| 11:54.25 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: p.d.o |
| 11:54.37 | xeon-enouf | well ... hrm .. shit |
| 11:54.40 | GMF` | lol |
| 11:54.47 | GMF` | xeon-enouf, uh ? |
| 11:54.54 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: i use apt-listchanges, apt-listbugs ... |
| 11:55.13 | GMF` | I havent those packages |
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| 11:55.22 | xeon-enouf | so if i decide i don;t like what i'm reading, i could cancel the installation |
| 11:55.39 | radoe_ | rick___: something like http://paste.debian.net/47231/, and add it to your Serverlayout section |
| 11:55.44 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: check the BTS as well; |
| 11:55.53 | rick___ | abrotman/radoe_: ok, man xorg.conf says how it has to look like.. but where can I find out the "inputdriver" and "name" of my current german one? |
| 11:56.08 | xeon-enouf | or use apt-get -d to just d/l, then peak inside GMF` |
| 11:56.15 | GMF` | ok |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | rick___: i think he just showed you the stanza ? |
| 11:56.32 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: but also might want to try apt-get -s .. to simulate the installation |
| 11:56.37 | GMF` | it's about 50 packages -.- |
| 11:56.50 | GMF` | im sure installation will goes ok |
| 11:56.56 | GMF` | but im not sure about the config files |
| 11:56.58 | xeon-enouf | IOW, to see what'll get done - or learn aptitude real well |
| 11:57.13 | GMF` | and the support for few things like mysql integration in courier authdaemon and postfix-mysql |
| 11:57.15 | xeon-enouf | GMF`: backup /etc ;-) |
| 11:57.22 | xeon-enouf | and other things ;-) |
| 11:57.25 | rick___ | abrotman/radoe_: is there a way to find out the current keyboard settings, so I can add the current ones to xorg.conf? |
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| 11:58.02 | xeon-enouf | rick___: um .. xmodmap -ppk will show a nice list -but it's not something you add to xorg.conf |
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| 11:59.30 | xeon-enouf | rick___: oh - so, here; one second |
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| 12:00.08 | xeon-enouf | rick___: add this to xorg.conf Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
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| 12:01.09 | c03 | hi |
| 12:01.10 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: I have keyboard model "Asus Laptop" and selected layout "Germany" |
| 12:01.16 | xeon-enouf | rick___: setxkbmap de should also work manually - fix your gnome-applet responsible for that on autologin ... /msg dpkg gnome for more, i suppose |
| 12:03.03 | xeon-enouf | rick___: might you need to add something to System > Preferences > Sessions ? .. hrm, try 'gconf2-tool'? |
| 12:03.07 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: setxkbmap works.. |
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| 12:03.36 | harryv | cron throws this in syslog: Sep 22 12:01:01 ip-10-226-58-114 /USR/SBIN/CRON[3330]: (apps) MAIL (mailed 77 bytes of output but got status 0x0001#012) |
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| 12:03.36 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: now I have to automatically start setxkbmap before/after autologin |
| 12:03.42 | harryv | Google isn't of much help |
| 12:03.43 | xeon-enouf | rick___: use gksudo/gksu to make alterations so they stick? |
| 12:04.09 | harryv | seems like something went wrong |
| 12:04.38 | xeon-enouf | harryv: probaby need to pastebin your exact cron entry |
| 12:04.55 | harryv | */1 * * * * /var/apps/firmafon-fs/json-proxy/cronjob |
| 12:05.11 | harryv | that script runs fine if I execute it manually, btw. |
| 12:05.39 | xeon-enouf | harryv: might need to set the environment for that - which file is that entry in? |
| 12:05.41 | harryv | (that's from crontab -l as the given user) |
| 12:05.47 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 12:06.16 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: ok, I entered setxkbmap in gksudo.. will it work on next reboot_ |
| 12:06.38 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i doubt it .. not sure - gnome has it's own config/settings |
| 12:07.01 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: gksudo is only a frontend for sudo |
| 12:07.07 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i meant use gksudo if using gconf2-tool or System>Prefs>Sessions |
| 12:07.38 | harryv | xeon-enouf: the trouble is, that the script isn't executed, and I suppose it's trying to mail some error information, but that fails |
| 12:07.39 | xeon-enouf | rick___: it's to have root privs to gtk/gnome settings .semi-securely |
| 12:07.41 | radoe | harryv: does this script produce any output oun stdout when running? |
| 12:07.52 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: ah, add it to the "additional startup programs"?? |
| 12:08.02 | harryv | radoe: yep, which I'm writing to a log file. |
| 12:08.09 | xeon-enouf | rick___: perhaps - in sessions? autostart? |
| 12:08.26 | harryv | .. and nothing goes in there when executed by cron. so, despite what syslog tells me, it doesn't seem to be run |
| 12:08.38 | harryv | http://pastie.org/625781 |
| 12:08.55 | radoe | harryv: according to syslog there ist output which does not get redirected (77Bytes). |
| 12:09.03 | harryv | humm. |
| 12:09.35 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: ok, I added it. will now reboot and test |
| 12:09.40 | xeon-enouf | rick___: or, just edit xorg.conf like i mentioned?rwait |
| 12:10.02 | xeon-enouf | rick___: wait ... just /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 12:10.09 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: I really don't know the driver name and so.. |
| 12:10.10 | xeon-enouf | rick___: stop rebooting ;-) |
| 12:10.12 | radoe | harryv: This could be stderr, meaning cron tries to send you some error messages from your script. |
| 12:10.13 | rick___ | ok |
| 12:10.28 | harryv | I redirected stderr as well. gonna try something else. |
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| 12:11.08 | xeon-enouf | needs a nap ... but abrotman will tell you "i'm too young!" :-p |
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| 12:11.33 | abrotman | i wouldn't complain in the slightest |
| 12:11.38 | xeon-enouf | harryv: try adding set -x too? |
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| 12:16.38 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: that gdm restart killed my gdm and I was on the text screen console login. so i restarted the laptop. it works now.. autologin+keyboard layout! |
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| 12:17.49 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: system->pref->sessions->additional startup programs-> added setxkbmap |
| 12:17.59 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: without gksudo.. |
| 12:18.00 | stonie | bb |
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| 12:19.56 | xeon-enouf | rick___: nice |
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| 12:21.14 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i'd think gnome-control-center or something would have an applet you could go through, so you can even switch layouts on the fly if you wanted |
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| 12:22.00 | xeon-enouf | rick___: there's a way to make xorg.conf do that as well, but then that applies to all users |
| 12:22.13 | EvilDin | how can i start xorg without VGA cable connected ? |
| 12:22.51 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: I'd really like to add it to xorg.conf, but I don't know how to find out the required settings. I want to use my *currently* enabled keyboard driver and layout settings. |
| 12:22.52 | capricorn | rick___, there's an applet one can add to gnome panel that shows current keyboard layout. You can change layout settings from there as well |
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| 12:23.03 | xeon-enouf | knows only of AllowMouseFail |
| 12:23.18 | ranix | no pointers found! |
| 12:23.59 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: I have Applications->Debian->Applications->System->Administration->Gnome Control Center. |
| 12:24.13 | xeon-enouf | rick___: your "*currently* enabled keyboard driver" is likely 'evdev' + 'usbhid' or something .. |
| 12:24.25 | echosystm | hrm, anyone got any ideas how to run eclipse on debian? i have sun jdk installed and i just downloaded eclipse from the site |
| 12:24.37 | echosystm | but when i run the binary, it just freezes at splash |
| 12:24.42 | xeon-enouf | wait, those are kernel modules, crap.. |
| 12:25.05 | ranix | echosystm: why did you download it "from the site" |
| 12:25.14 | ranix | echosystm: eclipse is in apt |
| 12:25.15 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: how to find out the currently enabled keyboard driver? |
| 12:25.17 | echosystm | because the version in the distro is very out of date |
| 12:25.19 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i don;t use gnome, never have - going from small bits i pick up here and there ;-0 |
| 12:25.22 | echosystm | 3.2 vs. 3.5 |
| 12:25.28 | ranix | judd: versions eclipse-sdk |
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| 12:25.32 | judd | ranix: eclipse-sdk -- etch: 3.2.1-4 lenny: 3.2.2-6.1 sid: 3.2.2-6.1 squeeze: 3.2.2-6.1 sid: 3.4.1-1 |
| 12:25.40 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: ok, thank you very much for your help! :) |
| 12:25.40 | xeon-enouf | rick___: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:25.40 | Titan8990 | echosystm, sounds like you should have got it from the repos |
| 12:25.42 | abrotman | echosystm: did you try to strace it ? did you ask the eclipse people ? |
| 12:26.05 | xeon-enouf | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//evdev_drv.so heh |
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| 12:26.22 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so |
| 12:26.32 | echosystm | its unlikely that eclipse people will have the answer |
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| 12:26.50 | xeon-enouf | rick___: lsmod | grep evdev <--kernel module |
| 12:26.50 | echosystm | it generally just works |
| 12:26.53 | xeon-enouf | rick___: ok. you on Lenny? |
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| 12:27.01 | xeon-enouf | rick___: uname -r says? |
| 12:27.03 | Titan8990 | really? because i had plenty of issues with it |
| 12:27.04 | abrotman | echosystm: are you sure it's using the sun java ? |
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| 12:27.16 | echosystm | actually, no im not |
| 12:27.17 | Titan8990 | everything from incorrect env variables to missing depends |
| 12:27.20 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:27.25 | swoody | is there any easy way to go from Lenny main to testing? |
| 12:27.26 | echosystm | i just installed sun java andassumed it would go as default |
| 12:27.26 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: debian 5.02 |
| 12:27.27 | echosystm | hang on |
| 12:27.46 | ranix | whe kernel you're using doesn't matter for a java program bro |
| 12:27.50 | radoe | echosystm: java -version |
| 12:27.56 | capricorn | swoody, yes |
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| 12:28.31 | echosystm | ok its using libgcj lol |
| 12:28.35 | echosystm | sorry |
| 12:28.37 | swoody | capricorn, how would I do it? |
| 12:28.39 | echosystm | i'll take it from there :) |
| 12:28.45 | echosystm | thanks |
| 12:28.51 | Titan8990 | echosystm, update-java-alternatives |
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| 12:28.58 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i've not used lenny much, so i forget exactly .. you seem ok though |
| 12:29.09 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i'm on sid and newer kernel |
| 12:29.13 | xeon-enouf | $ find /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/ -name 'evdev.ko' |
| 12:29.14 | xeon-enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko |
| 12:29.25 | xeon-enouf | but i still have the .26 here |
| 12:29.40 | radoe | echosystm: update-java-alternatives |
| 12:29.47 | capricorn | swoody, 1) read release notes 2) apt-get update and apt-get upgrade current system 3) change all mentions of 'lenny' to 'squeeze' in /etc/apt/sources.list 4) apt-get update and apt-get upgrade again |
| 12:29.49 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: yes, same location |
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| 12:30.02 | ribasushi | what should generate /etc/hosts on a new system? |
| 12:30.05 | xeon-enouf | rick___: i recall seeing /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so in my output in the past |
| 12:30.09 | ribasushi | I got a system without one... |
| 12:30.14 | swoody | capricorn, TY :) |
| 12:30.18 | ribasushi | (not empty - totally missing) |
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| 12:30.24 | xeon-enouf | along with mouse_drv.so |
| 12:30.53 | abrotman | ribasushi: how did you install the system? did you check your installer logs? |
| 12:30.53 | ribasushi | abrotman: not my system |
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| 12:31.01 | ribasushi | I am wondering which package does it |
| 12:31.05 | ribasushi | dpkg -S does not say anything |
| 12:31.06 | dpkg | There is no record of a does not say anything package |
| 12:31.17 | mischievious | lol. |
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| 12:32.21 | Titan8990 | dpkg -S apache2 |
| 12:32.22 | dpkg | Package: apache2: Status: install ok installed |
| 12:32.25 | xeon-enouf | rick___: some .postinst script .. likely passwd or login |
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| 12:32.30 | xeon-enouf | erm ribasushi |
| 12:32.33 | xeon-enouf | not rick___ |
| 12:32.41 | radoe | ribasushi: it's not contained in any package. |
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| 12:33.14 | rick___ | xeon-enouf: thank you for your help. cu |
| 12:33.21 | xeon-enouf | radoe: /var/lib/dpkg/info/netbase.postinst: if [ -f /etc/hosts ] && ! grep -qE "^::1[[:space:]]" /etc/hosts; then |
| 12:33.25 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 12:33.29 | abrotman | ribasushi: netbase maybe |
| 12:33.38 | xeon-enouf | look up ;-) |
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| 12:33.48 | xeon-enouf | /var/lib/dpkg/info/netbase.postinst: cat >>/etc/hosts <<-EOF |
| 12:34.12 | xeon-enouf | rick___: ok - np |
| 12:34.18 | radoe | xeon-enouf: well, it isn't contained in a package, but created if missing during postinst. |
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| 12:34.24 | xeon-enouf | lose the tail! ;-) |
| 12:34.40 | BleSS | which optimal size range would be when it's used -T largefile and for largefile4? |
| 12:34.42 | xeon-enouf | radoe: ofcourse, many .postinst scripts do that |
| 12:34.55 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/m4885375c |
| 12:34.56 | ribasushi | ideas? |
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| 12:35.15 | Titan8990 | i can speak for hosts not being part of a package, if you install via chroot you have to manually create /etc/hosts |
| 12:35.22 | xeon-enouf | radoe: but netbase is 'required' or 'important' so someone goofed ;-) |
| 12:35.22 | Titan8990 | as well as /etc/fstab |
| 12:35.46 | xeon-enouf | important netbase install ok installed |
| 12:35.57 | radoe | xeon-enouf: maybe he used debootstrap to install. |
| 12:36.02 | Titan8990 | ribasushi, i don't see a problem, other than you need to create a host file |
| 12:36.04 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the aptitude option to see what a pkg depends on? |
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| 12:36.16 | xeon-enouf | radoe: i did - on this box, over ssh ... and? |
| 12:36.19 | ribasushi | Titan8990: move along then |
| 12:36.21 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache depends foo |
| 12:36.31 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: reading postinst... |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | ribasushi: so create the file .. i'm sure why you need a package to magically create it |
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| 12:37.17 | radoe | xeon-enouf: I did just yesterday 3 debootstrap installs and ... have no hosts file there created automaticly |
| 12:37.18 | abrotman | ribasushi: what if you run the postinst manually ? |
| 12:37.28 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: radoe i did exactly that (debootstrap installation) - on this box, over ssh - sorry - i fail to see the point |
| 12:37.40 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: ah thanks it's not aptitude at la |
| 12:37.48 | xeon-enouf | dpkg-reconfigure netbase? ... hrm |
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| 12:38.05 | ribasushi | meh that's just an updater |
| 12:38.08 | ribasushi | to dump in the ipv6 stuff |
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| 12:38.25 | ribasushi | it's very possible someone dropped the creator in lenny and never noticed |
| 12:38.25 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: cat /etc/issue.net |
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| 12:38.43 | abrotman | ribasushi: uhm, it has the stuff in there to create the file also |
| 12:38.55 | xeon-enouf | crap |
| 12:39.05 | xeon-enouf | looked at the pastebin late |
| 12:39.14 | ribasushi | abrotman: all I see is update_host |
| 12:39.18 | ribasushi | testing |
| 12:39.28 | ribasushi | as in debian/testing |
| 12:39.31 | radoe | xeon-enouf: regarding netbase.postinst, did you read the script right? It does only *update* an existing /etc/hosts. |
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| 12:39.34 | abrotman | ribasushi: on a lenny box i have a section called create_networks() |
| 12:40.00 | abrotman | ribasushi: dpkg --configure netbase ? |
| 12:40.01 | xeon-enouf | radoe: no, i didn't read it all - i made assumptions ;-) |
| 12:40.17 | ribasushi | abrotman: my entire postinst http://pastebin.com/m2f9a5de2 |
| 12:40.30 | ribasushi | netbase 4.37 |
| 12:40.34 | xeon-enouf | maybe dpkg-preconfigure... hrm ... oddshit |
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| 12:40.43 | radoe | abrotman: no, netbase.postinst does not create /etc/hosts. |
| 12:40.47 | ribasushi | oops sorry for the tabs |
| 12:40.51 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: no, that's not /etc/issue.net output |
| 12:41.01 | abrotman | ribasushi: unless i'm reading that wrong .. it looks to see if the /etc/hosts exists .. and then if it does not puts those few items in it |
| 12:41.10 | themill | abrotman: other way around |
| 12:41.17 | ribasushi | abrotman: the few items are ipv6 specific |
| 12:41.21 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 12:41.26 | themill | /etc/hosts is supposed to be created by the installer. netbase adds the ipv6 stuff to it afterwards |
| 12:41.29 | abrotman | from the create_networks() ? |
| 12:41.31 | xeon-enouf | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libwrap0.postinst: is the only other one i see of relevance |
| 12:41.44 | Titan8990 | themill, not everyone installs via the installer :) |
| 12:41.48 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. so a udeb |
| 12:41.51 | xeon-enouf | that's why |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | it's asking if it exists, returns 0 if it does, continues if it does not? |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | oh .. damn it .. WRONG file . |
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| 12:42.18 | abrotman | beats himself incessantly |
| 12:42.22 | xeon-enouf | same with things like /etc/environment, /etc/default/locale and such perhaps |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | sorry |
| 12:42.29 | themill | offers abrotman some rrn sequences |
| 12:42.45 | abrotman | ignore me .. carry on! |
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| 12:43.14 | ribasushi | so I file a bug yes? |
| 12:43.16 | Titan8990 | \r\r\n? i know IRC is terminated with \r\n but whats the additional \r? |
| 12:43.43 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: you recently installed? how? debootstrap or Squeeze Daily image? |
| 12:43.48 | abrotman | Titan8990: it was something i was trying to figure out a few weeks involving a truly f'ed up PoS editor |
| 12:43.59 | et | it's what you get when you use the unix->dos conversion a few too many times ;) |
| 12:44.12 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: there's been some changes to recent squeeze installer .. so |
| 12:44.39 | abrotman | et: that wasn't the issue |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
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| 12:45.33 | xeon-enouf | does tr 'rr' 'rhaggy?' < scoobydoo.file.txt |
| 12:46.01 | xeon-enouf | ohcrap .. s/rhaggy?/ruh roh/ |
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| 12:49.12 | Thms_ | !samba howto |
| 12:49.18 | BleSS | which optimal size range would be when it's built a filesystem with -T largefile (1M-100M) and for largefile4 (100M-)? |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | Thms_: /list #samba .. i beleive it's in their topic |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | BleSS: depends what you're storing on it |
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| 12:50.09 | ribasushi | re |
| 12:50.14 | BleSS | abrotman: I'm supposed that depends of the average of files size |
| 12:50.16 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: debootstrap |
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| 12:51.16 | abrotman | BleSS: you'll end up with more 'wasted' space with a larger block size .. but less space wasted for inode storage .. i suppose .. it's a trade off |
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| 12:53.04 | abrotman | BleSS: which version of linux are you installing? |
| 12:53.24 | BleSS | 2.6.28-15 |
| 12:53.39 | themill | that's an interesting debian release |
| 12:53.43 | Titan8990 | and thats which version of debian? |
| 12:53.54 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: ok, then file (or check BTS for bugs prior) .. you did choose Squeeze? i originally tried sid here (using debootstrap), but it failed horribly, so i went with squeeze and upgraded |
| 12:53.57 | abrotman | BleSS: that's not Debian .. which distro are you installing? |
| 12:54.01 | krushik | what linux distr uses pkgadd? |
| 12:54.08 | abrotman | solaris |
| 12:54.10 | Titan8990 | krushik, BSD |
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| 12:54.15 | xeon-enouf | sun |
| 12:54.16 | Titan8990 | well, pkg_add |
| 12:54.27 | abrotman | krushik: i think slackware might have at one time |
| 12:54.36 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: I don't do sid on servers normally |
| 12:54.38 | ribasushi | too volatile |
| 12:54.44 | ribasushi | straight testing |
| 12:54.47 | Titan8990 | i thought slack was something like slap-get |
| 12:54.50 | xeon-enouf | but testing is ok? |
| 12:54.52 | BleSS | abrotman: doesn't matter which distro I'm installing |
| 12:54.57 | xeon-enouf | !versions |
| 12:54.59 | clarjon1 | woot |
| 12:55.03 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 12:55.20 | abrotman | BleSS: yes, this channel is to support Debian users .. not everyone that feels like asking questions |
| 12:55.20 | krushik | slack uses pkginstall afaik |
| 12:55.20 | Titan8990 | BleSS, this is the #debian help and support room |
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| 12:55.32 | xeon-enouf | BleSS: go to #your-distro channel please |
| 12:55.40 | SlayerXP | Titan8990: no it isn't. it's the #debian channel |
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| 12:55.43 | SlayerXP | only AOL has rooms |
| 12:55.52 | abrotman | krushik: ask google .. i'd imagine it's better than asking here |
| 12:56.25 | krushik | can't find the answer at google( |
| 12:56.30 | BleSS | better in #kernel since that it's a subject which is not very knowon for everyone |
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| 12:56.40 | BleSS | *known |
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| 12:57.05 | EagleScreen | is there manpages for C++ functions documentation? |
| 12:57.08 | themill | BleSS: right... please take your little poll of different channels either to your own distro's channel or to a kernel or fs-specific channel. |
| 12:57.16 | jelly | BleSS: dude, ##kernel isn't about packaging tools |
| 12:57.17 | xeon-enouf | EagleScreen: manpages-dev? |
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| 12:57.35 | ranix | that's going to be mostly C |
| 12:57.36 | xeon-enouf | EagleScreen: or /msg dpkg gcc-doc |
| 12:57.46 | xeon-enouf | g++? |
| 12:57.47 | EagleScreen | manpages-dev only contains C functions |
| 12:58.02 | ranix | c++ sucks anyway |
| 12:58.15 | xeon-enouf | c# |
| 12:58.19 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 12:58.29 | ranix | fhashes xeon-enouf the sign to ward off the evil eye |
| 12:58.31 | EagleScreen | whay C++ sucks? |
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| 12:58.38 | BleSS | ranix: change to haskell, it's awesome |
| 12:58.48 | themill | judd: info stl-manual |
| 12:58.48 | judd | themill: stl-manual (doc): is optional; Version: 3.30-9; Size: 479.0k; Installed: 3276k -- C++-STL documentation in HTML |
| 12:58.50 | ranix | it just does, if you need an explanation you won't understand |
| 12:58.53 | themill | EagleScreen: ^^ perhaps? |
| 12:59.26 | themill | points ranix and EagleScreen into #debian-offtopic for their language war |
| 12:59.56 | ranix | I'm willing to negotiate |
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| 13:06.02 | gamla_kossan | hi guys |
| 13:06.18 | clarjon1 | heya gamla_kossan |
| 13:06.20 | clarjon1 | sup? |
| 13:06.23 | gamla_kossan | =) |
| 13:06.36 | gamla_kossan | well, I'm curious about when the current debian stable will go EOL |
| 13:06.40 | gamla_kossan | anyone have a clue? |
| 13:07.21 | petemc | gamla_kossan: its about a year or so after the new stable is released |
| 13:07.22 | clarjon1 | Well, seeing as I JUST got into Debian, i'm not the one to ask for that :P |
| 13:07.28 | et | one year after the next one is relaesed |
| 13:07.29 | gamla_kossan | =) |
| 13:07.34 | justin | gamla_kossan: http://www.debian.org/security/faq |
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| 13:07.53 | clarjon1 | is gonna miss kde3 :/ |
| 13:08.24 | clarjon1 | I know I can't upgrade till ATI releases their drivers for the next version of the kernel :P |
| 13:08.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | doesnt miss anything: he had have and will have bash :D |
| 13:08.46 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: bash and irssi, amirite? |
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| 13:08.57 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: and there is no timeline for the release of squeeze .. so lenny could be around for 18 more months or 36 more months |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | or 72 months! |
| 13:09.12 | abrotman | or 108 months! |
| 13:09.20 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.23 | abrotman | 120 months might be pushing it |
| 13:09.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1: well currently xfce. and yes i use irssi sometimes, currently xchat :D |
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| 13:09.32 | clarjon1 | xchat ftw |
| 13:09.34 | gamla_kossan | abrotman: so basically, probably the current one will be until 2012-ish? |
| 13:10.22 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: considering squeeze hasn't frozen yet .. i'd wager you'd be safe til at least the beginning of 2011 at this point .. probably could go to mid-2011 at this rate |
| 13:10.42 | gamla_kossan | dammit :/ |
| 13:10.49 | gamla_kossan | I wish it were longer |
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| 13:11.07 | Mason | mybe hehe |
| 13:11.10 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1 no irssi ftw. just now i have no time getting into it :D |
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| 13:11.26 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: and it might very well be longer .. but i'm not giong to promise you anything |
| 13:11.36 | gamla_kossan | http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 13:11.56 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: I'm a Very Happy New Debian User. FGLRX, 64bit, suspend to ram, wifi, all are working beautifully :D |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: last i heard, that got shot down .. but i haven't seen any comments on it in quite some time |
| 13:12.06 | gamla_kossan | ah. |
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| 13:12.20 | gamla_kossan | well, maybe I'm better off with RHEL then.. |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: and that's also only the freeze .. they still have to get rid of all the RC bugs .. which could take awhile |
| 13:12.38 | gamla_kossan | right |
| 13:12.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1, im very happy debian & slackware & gentoo uzer :D |
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| 13:12.54 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: so they could freeze this december, and then not actually release til next december |
| 13:13.02 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: It turned out that my laptop's CPU doesn't like dropping into 32bit mode upon resume, causes a bunch of errors |
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| 13:13.22 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: of course .. if you want to delay the release of squeeze ... file more RC bugs :) |
| 13:13.32 | gamla_kossan | hehehehehe |
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| 13:13.44 | mr_crowley | is there a debian eeepc channel? |
| 13:13.52 | abrotman | !tell mr_crowley about eeepc |
| 13:13.54 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 13:13.57 | gamla_kossan | mr_crowley: there's a ubutnu eeepc channel iirc |
| 13:14.00 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1, ARM ftw. |
| 13:14.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1, only ARM laptops ftw :) |
| 13:14.15 | mr_crowley | gee i forgot about /list |
| 13:14.35 | Wobler | Hi, I got my laptop from warranty fixing. They changed motherboard. I kept the hard disk, so I'm 100% sure nothing has changed on my end. Now I have a problem with my keyboard. I've got 2 different keys with same keycode. So, I'm missing pipe, greater than and smaller than signs. I'm a little baffled... don't know how should I fix this? |
| 13:14.36 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: mah 64bit is so smooooth. My laptop is literally running much faster than it did 2 years ago when I first got it. |
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| 13:15.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1, congratulationz :D we both moved OT btw |
| 13:15.24 | clarjon1 | oh, right |
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| 13:15.38 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: I've never had a distro do this but Debian, just fyi (nice save, eh? ) |
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| 13:15.59 | gamla_kossan | so what happens when a system is EOL:d? can it be easily transitioned into the new stable version, or is a complete new install required? |
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| 13:16.04 | tczern | hi, anyone using the Debian squeeze repos? |
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| 13:16.34 | gamla_kossan | would _really_ like to install debian, but since RHEL won't EOL until 2014.. well.. |
| 13:16.36 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, you can upgrade... of course you should always have a backup in the event things go wrong |
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| 13:16.43 | clarjon1 | bbl |
| 13:16.43 | _AnywhereIs_ | clarjon1, IMO debian is the most easiest distro i've seen. :) |
| 13:16.44 | hark | tczern: the guy who was using it just left |
| 13:17.10 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, yeah, your not going to get longer support than the 7 years of centos/rhel |
| 13:17.18 | gamla_kossan | dammit :/ |
| 13:17.27 | tczern | probably his system crashed, I have it here too, and I am not sure if it is just me or if it is really this unstable. |
| 13:17.36 | gamla_kossan | oh well, maybe I should go with RHEL then |
| 13:18.03 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, define crashed |
| 13:18.03 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, but depending of functionality you can just throw some servers in a closet and not even worry about updating them |
| 13:18.03 | Titan8990 | revisit when all the hdds are crashing |
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| 13:18.18 | gamla_kossan | hehe |
| 13:18.21 | tczern | when nothing works anymore and all you can do is to push the power off button |
| 13:18.28 | balzac5000 | Is anyone conscious of an issue with the NTOP package on lenny? |
| 13:18.30 | gamla_kossan | Titan8990: well, this will be a machine facing the web |
| 13:18.43 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, nothing works? even init won't start? |
| 13:18.46 | swoody | Do the 'volatile' repos not exist in squeeze? I'm getting a 404 error from them |
| 13:18.54 | stew | balzac5000: check http://bugs.debian.org/ntop |
| 13:18.58 | tczern | nothing! |
| 13:18.59 | stew | swoody: not until squeeze is released |
| 13:19.05 | tczern | lenny is the latest stable? |
| 13:19.09 | balzac5000 | stew: thanks! |
| 13:19.10 | stew | tczern: yes |
| 13:19.12 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, yeah |
| 13:19.16 | swoody | stew, ah, ok. So I can just comment them out? |
| 13:19.18 | mr_crowley | lenny ftw |
| 13:19.23 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, i have personally never had an issue but just yesterday someone had an issue where the openssl upgrade borked the TLS on his mail server |
| 13:19.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | :) |
| 13:19.29 | tczern | I cannot even log on anymore |
| 13:19.33 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, total disaster in production env |
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| 13:19.41 | gamla_kossan | Titan8990: ugh... |
| 13:19.43 | Titan8990 | gamla_kossan, so keep that backup ready :) |
| 13:19.45 | gamla_kossan | that's got to suck |
| 13:19.49 | gamla_kossan | hehe, yeah.. |
| 13:19.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, can you see GRUB or LILO(which loader you use?) |
| 13:19.54 | abrotman | gamla_kossan: you can dist-upgrade machines with debian .. i have machines that have gone through four releases |
| 13:20.02 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, on which place it halts? |
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| 13:20.12 | abrotman | ugh .. i'm old |
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| 13:20.18 | stew | swoody: yes, the idea is that volatile is a place to put packages which need regular updates for use with the debian stable release which rarely gets updated (that's the 'stable' part). testing is updated 4 times a day, so its 'volatile' on its own |
| 13:20.29 | gamla_kossan | abrotman: wow, crazy |
| 13:20.29 | tczern | I simply will re-install |
| 13:20.39 | xeon-enouf | points and laughs at abrotman 's old hardware .. bwahahaha :-P |
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| 13:20.45 | gamla_kossan | xeon-enouf: =) |
| 13:20.46 | swoody | stew, ok, thanks for the help :D |
| 13:20.48 | gamla_kossan | xeon-enouf: hi5! |
| 13:20.50 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 13:20.53 | clarjon1 | _AnywhereIs_: That and the community is great. I had to wipe out the contents of the default HAL file to get supend to work (pm-suspend doesn't like FLGRX, but s2ram directly does a great job) |
| 13:21.01 | xeon-enouf | ^five |
| 13:21.03 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: the machine is like 15 years old .. and i've heard the architecture may get dropped |
| 13:21.09 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 13:21.16 | stew | abrotman: hppa? |
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| 13:21.34 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, reinstall squeeze? |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | stew: vorlon suggested that to me at one point |
| 13:21.42 | tczern | naah |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | stew: erm .. alpha |
| 13:21.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, or you'll put lenny there? |
| 13:21.58 | abrotman | stew: he said he's one of the primary porters, and has no alpha box anymore |
| 13:22.25 | tczern | I need a stable system, no maso here |
| 13:22.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, i had no unresolvable problems with lenny by now. :) |
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| 13:22.25 | stew | abrotman: yeah, its in danger, for sure. not as impending as hppa |
| 13:22.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | tczern, it's good. |
| 13:22.29 | mr_crowley | i have an old hardware around too... amd k7 32mb ram |
| 13:23.42 | abrotman | stew: i did offer him an alpha box, but he wasn't interested |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | or wasn't interested at the time |
| 13:24.18 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a simple IMAP server I can use locally to play a little with IMAP. Thanks. |
| 13:24.33 | petemc | rudi_s: dovecot |
| 13:24.39 | stew | abrotman: i can concoct a connoical conspiracy theory if you want to start a rumor :) |
| 13:24.48 | rudi_s | petemc: Thanks. |
| 13:25.31 | hark | connoical? |
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| 13:25.56 | jpinx-eeepc | I have some wierdness with the time wandering in spite of ntp running. Can someone point out to me cl way to fix it? |
| 13:26.41 | nader | Hey, How can I know what version of flash player I have ? |
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| 13:27.04 | xeon-enouf | hark: that'd be canonical with a noogey |
| 13:27.08 | Titan8990 | nader, go to about:plugins in iceweasel |
| 13:27.27 | Titan8990 | or the equivalent for your web browser |
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| 13:28.36 | EvilGenius | hello! |
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| 13:28.52 | abrotman | stew: oh, that'd be fun .. but wouldn't that mean they'd have to kill everything except amd64 and i386 ? |
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| 13:29.02 | wamty_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.16 | abrotman | wamty_: sync ? |
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| 13:29.22 | xeon-enouf | lsof will tell you |
| 13:29.37 | abrotman | stew: i wonder if ubuntu will ever do arm? |
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| 13:29.41 | abrotman | they dropped PPC |
| 13:29.47 | abrotman | and why am i discussing this here ... |
| 13:29.54 | hark | abrotman: i believe they are |
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| 13:30.04 | xeon-enouf | my po' po' OldWorld Mac! :-p |
| 13:30.10 | nader | Titan8990: ok, now how to install new version of flash? I have "bflashplayer.so" (v10) |
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| 13:30.30 | Titan8990 | nader, did you already look at the wiki for flash players? |
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| 13:30.32 | morpheuss | WTF navigation keys on keyboard behaving in odd manner |
| 13:30.36 | morpheuss | am i in vi |
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| 13:30.46 | nader | *ibflashplayer.so |
| 13:30.51 | hark | morpheuss: run it as vim |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | stew: kind of sad though .. alpha used to be so well supported in Debian |
| 13:30.56 | nader | *l |
| 13:31.09 | morpheuss | im in gnome and they are behaving in odd manner |
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| 13:31.12 | nader | Titan8990: no |
| 13:31.15 | Titan8990 | nader, wait, 10 is the newest version |
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| 13:31.53 | morpheuss | hark whenever i try to go back using navigation keys -- appears |
| 13:32.05 | EvilGenius | I've got a problem with Tightvncserver.... |
| 13:32.11 | EvilGenius | keyboard layout is messed up |
| 13:32.16 | hark | morpheuss: this is in vi? |
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| 13:32.23 | morpheuss | nop |
| 13:32.50 | mr_crowley | then> |
| 13:32.58 | morpheuss | in every application |
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| 13:33.07 | morpheuss | browser xchat and what not |
| 13:33.08 | jesselang | Hello. I run testing with the gnome-openbox session, in which I had disabled gnome-panel. With the latest updates to testing, it seems the panel is back and there doesn't appear to be a way to disable it. Could anyone offer any pointers on how to do that? |
| 13:33.08 | hark | morpheuss: oh, in general? how about the other keys like pgup etc. do they work fine? |
| 13:33.24 | nader | Titan8990: ok, how to install flashplayer 10 ? |
| 13:33.25 | morpheuss | they are working fine |
| 13:33.37 | Titan8990 | nader, you just told me you had it? |
| 13:33.37 | nader | libflashplayer.so |
| 13:34.00 | mr_crowley | what distro>? |
| 13:34.02 | nader | Titan8990: I have download file only |
| 13:34.11 | mr_crowley | nader: what distro |
| 13:34.13 | Titan8990 | nader, thats not the debian way |
| 13:34.25 | hark | morpheuss: what keyboard layout are you using? |
| 13:34.27 | Titan8990 | nader, add backports to your sources and then install it via apt |
| 13:34.32 | mr_crowley | you have to add backports to your source list if u are debain |
| 13:34.38 | mr_crowley | :P |
| 13:34.39 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: does obconf help? |
| 13:34.42 | nader | mr_crowley, debian etch |
| 13:34.43 | morpheuss | US default layout hark |
| 13:34.45 | Titan8990 | mr_crowley, you can assume everyone here is using debian |
| 13:34.54 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: i use openbox, but no gnome stuff |
| 13:34.58 | mr_crowley | ooo i forgot im in debian |
| 13:35.04 | Titan8990 | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:35.05 | judd | Titan8990: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 13:35.07 | abrotman | nader: flash10 doesn't work with etch |
| 13:35.12 | hark | morpheuss: try a setxkbmap us and see |
| 13:35.25 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: also check your ~/.config/openbox/* files? |
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| 13:35.58 | EvilGenius | anyone .. vnc keyboard mapping messed up.. any help? |
| 13:36.20 | nader | abrotman, so what can I do? how about v9 ? |
| 13:36.27 | jesselang | xeon-enouf, I suspect I should be modifying something in my gnome setup to disable gnome-panel from working... but I don't know where that would be. |
| 13:36.30 | abrotman | flash9 does work |
| 13:36.42 | wamty_ | anyone ever setup vmware's licensing server? keeps saying my lic's are invalid.. google aint helpin =) (I reDLed my lic files from my vmware web account) i must be doing something stupid |
| 13:36.49 | abrotman | nader: either see backports.org or debian-multimedia.org |
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| 13:37.02 | jesselang | My openbox setup works fine other than the fact that pieces of gnome have tried to take over. |
| 13:37.15 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: perhaps gnome-control-center or gconf2-tool? dunno - maybe gnome-session? or System>Preferences>Sessions? /msg dpkg gnome |
| 13:37.58 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: you'll notice many many choices if you do 'man gnome-[tab][tab]' |
| 13:37.59 | mr_crowley | has anyone tried audiohubs in debian |
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| 13:38.06 | mr_crowley | it makes an ugly sound |
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| 13:38.14 | nader | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:39.07 | nan8 | which gnome package to install if i want "nearly all of gnome" except tomboy and that mono? stuff? |
| 13:39.40 | hark | nan8: gnome-desktop-environment or gnome with gnote |
| 13:39.51 | nan8 | hark: thanks |
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| 13:41.12 | nan8 | hmm there is no gnote in squeeze |
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| 13:42.26 | mr_crowley | lenny r3 :O |
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| 13:42.34 | nader | and others |
| 13:42.40 | xeon-enouf | nan8: you sure those 2 you mentioned aren;t Recommends? |
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| 13:44.19 | nan8 | xeon-enouf: package "gnome" depends on either tomboy or gnote |
| 13:44.26 | morpheuss | hark, still same behaviour |
| 13:44.29 | xeon-enouf | nan8: after an update; try tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop ; then try apt-cache depends <each one of those mentioned> |
| 13:44.38 | nader | Seems I must install lenny ! |
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| 13:44.54 | xeon-enouf | is confused |
| 13:45.24 | nan8 | ~s/package/task |
| 13:45.45 | nan8 | (i think) |
| 13:45.45 | jesselang | xeon-enouf, it appears that using gconftool-2 worked. |
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| 13:46.17 | nan8 | installs gnome-desktop-environment ... |
| 13:46.35 | jesselang | Let's try a logoff-logon. |
| 13:46.42 | jesselang | Thanks xeon-enouf |
| 13:46.59 | nan8 | maybe one could clarify this: gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 13:47.04 | mr_crowley | try to install lennyr3..... but it was already installed on his system |
| 13:47.33 | martianlobster | does anyone know of an app for creating pdf files which runs on Linux? |
| 13:47.54 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. not gconf2-tool, but gconftool-2 ? no idea :-p |
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| 13:47.57 | mr_crowley | mmm you can create them in open office and then export them |
| 13:48.09 | martianlobster | mr_crowley: how do you export them? |
| 13:48.29 | mr_crowley | theres a button in the tool bar |
| 13:48.38 | martianlobster | ok I will keep looking for it |
| 13:49.33 | mr_crowley | or file---> export as pdf |
| 13:49.41 | martianlobster | ok I see it now, thanks |
| 13:49.41 | nan8 | shouldn't gnome-desktop-environment be called gnome and gnome be called ... hmm .. gnome-extras °°°(wasn't there such a package at some time) |
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| 13:50.29 | xeon-enouf | metapackage met metapackage...guess who won :-P |
| 13:50.34 | nan8 | or maybe gnome-with-extras |
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| 13:51.03 | xeon-enouf | that's right! meathead! won |
| 13:51.05 | mr_crowley | how can tell CGMAIL to redirect me to iceweasel instead of epiphany |
| 13:51.05 | jesselang | xeon-enouf, no luck. It's back. |
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| 13:51.13 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: ouch |
| 13:51.20 | jesselang | Does anyone know what happened to gnome-session-remove? |
| 13:51.41 | jesselang | It disappeared during the latest set of updates from testing. |
| 13:51.43 | \amethyst | nan8: 'gnome' is all of GNOME, 'gnome-desktop-environment' just the desktop environment without all of the applications |
| 13:51.44 | xeon-enouf | jesselang: run gconftool-2 as sudo or gksu/gksudo ? |
| 13:52.38 | jesselang | xeon-enouf, I think that gconftool-2 just removes the panel settings, which means the defaults load. |
| 13:52.39 | zamuro | is there a frontend for python besides a simple text editor on gnome/xfce? I think I saw one in kde once |
| 13:52.43 | nan8 | \amethyst: written like this it makes sense |
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| 13:53.24 | mr_crowley | emacs? |
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| 13:53.57 | xeon-enouf | zamuro: kwrite or kate? no idea what you want |
| 13:54.05 | zamuro | I guess *besides a simple text editor* wasn't clear enough for you. |
| 13:54.20 | mr_crowley | try emacs |
| 13:54.46 | xeon-enouf | when you say frontend, do you mean an editor? |
| 13:54.53 | zamuro | xeon-enouf: I used something else. It wasn't a simple text editor. |
| 13:55.08 | zamuro | xeon-enouf: Exactly! an editor... Sorry. |
| 13:55.12 | morpheuss | zamuro, you are speaking about IDE? |
| 13:55.15 | xeon-enouf | those i mentioned are not 'simple' IMHO |
| 13:55.42 | mr_crowley | imho? |
| 13:55.46 | xeon-enouf | there;s always Vim ;-) |
| 13:55.50 | xeon-enouf | !imho |
| 13:55.50 | dpkg | imho, imho is in my humble opinion |
| 13:55.59 | zamuro | xeon-enouf: Well... Sure they aren't. But I'm looking for something else: |
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| 13:56.03 | mr_crowley | :O humble guy |
| 13:56.05 | zamuro | Hmmm... Never mind. |
| 13:56.09 | mr_crowley | vim FTW |
| 13:56.20 | xeon-enouf | !ide |
| 13:56.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 13:56.42 | xeon-enouf | !listvals Integrated Development Environment |
| 13:56.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'Integrated Development Environment' by value (1): ide. |
| 13:56.48 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 13:56.59 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: circular reasoning eh? |
| 13:57.00 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 13:58.47 | aspWork | hi guys, i have an imac with an nfoce nic that i am having trouble getting to work, it seems like it loads forcedeth, but when i do an ifup it tells me, no such device? |
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| 14:03.02 | aspWork | anybody have any ideas of whats wrong? |
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| 14:03.25 | xeon-enouf | aspWork: ls /sys/class/net |
| 14:03.34 | xeon-enouf | !forcedeth mac |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 14:04.02 | aspWork | xeon-enouf: it has eth2 and lo |
| 14:04.11 | aspWork | so i guess that fix should do it |
| 14:04.13 | aspWork | thnx |
| 14:04.17 | xeon-enouf | np |
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| 14:09.47 | jesselang | xeon-enouf, got it. I had to use gconf-editor to change a key in /desktop/gnome/session. |
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| 14:10.16 | MariachiAC | hello eveyrone. Can someone point me to a good wiki on how to install and configure pulseaudio on debian. using sid currently. |
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| 14:11.07 | mr_crowley_ | can anyone tell me some advantages on using screen?? |
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| 14:11.20 | mr_crowley_ | che |
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| 14:11.48 | markn | mr_crowley: you can leave terminals running on remote hosts and resume when you login again |
| 14:11.59 | bigpresh | Multiple processes in a single terminal that you can switch between, splitting the terminal into "windows", detaching a session and re-attaching later, possibly from another host... |
| 14:12.01 | SlayerXP | mr_crowley: your long running command line sql query doesn't stop when you internet connection does |
| 14:12.15 | bigpresh | Screen is fantastic, after a little while using it, you start to appreciate it a lot :) |
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| 14:12.43 | mr_crowley_ | i never use it ... i was just reading about it |
| 14:13.15 | mr_crowley_ | but i start to understand it |
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| 14:13.56 | mr_crowley_ | how many virtual terminals can i create with screen |
| 14:14.44 | nader | Can I install iceweasel 3 for etch ? |
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| 14:15.41 | Yucatan | hello guys when i typ top and hit enter i see this rule |
| 14:15.43 | Yucatan | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
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| 14:16.01 | carpii | i have a vmware image with debian etch, but it has no ifconfig. Is there a package I can install as I cant figure out how else to configure the eth interface |
| 14:16.09 | Yucatan | i wanne now how many load my cpu has but what does that things mean us ,sy,ni,id,wa,hi,si |
| 14:16.33 | Yucatan | carpii i use debian many times with vmware |
| 14:16.39 | Yucatan | and that just works fine |
| 14:17.00 | Titan8990 | carpii, part of net-tools package in lenny |
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| 14:17.03 | carpii | its not a standard debian install, its a stripped down cacti appliance which just happens to be running on debian |
| 14:17.08 | pngwn | doesn't vmware support their stuff? |
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| 14:17.30 | Titan8990 | pngwn, they don't support things like "i don't have command A in guest OS" |
| 14:17.39 | carpii | Titan, thanks. net-tools is up to date so maybe it changed :( |
| 14:17.39 | ryx | how do I bounce mails from an exim4 virtuals file? |
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| 14:17.46 | Titan8990 | pngwn, they would support something like "ethernet not detected in guest OS" |
| 14:17.55 | pngwn | ic |
| 14:17.56 | hark | carpii: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:18.11 | carpii | hark, thanks :) works |
| 14:18.23 | pngwn | !vmware |
| 14:18.24 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
| 14:18.25 | Yucatan | can somebody answer my question pleas |
| 14:18.39 | carpii | pngwn, my question was not really vmware related |
| 14:18.41 | Titan8990 | pngwn, in this scenerio, vmware was not a factor |
| 14:18.56 | Yucatan | carpii i know |
| 14:18.58 | carpii | Yucatan, try man uptime, i think that explains it |
| 14:19.13 | carpii | hm no, ignore that |
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| 14:19.31 | carpii | man top |
| 14:19.35 | carpii | the abbrevs are explained in there |
| 14:19.55 | Yucatan | yeah carpii i see |
| 14:19.58 | Yucatan | yeah i see |
| 14:20.04 | Yucatan | but i cant find it |
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| 14:20.18 | carpii | what are you looking for ? |
| 14:20.48 | Yucatan | what it means |
| 14:20.49 | Yucatan | this |
| 14:20.50 | Yucatan | Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:20.58 | Yucatan | what means 0,0% us |
| 14:21.07 | Yucatan | and sy and ni and id and wa etc |
| 14:21.10 | carpii | type 'man top' |
| 14:21.12 | Yucatan | what does it stand for |
| 14:21.15 | hark | Yucatan: it's under cpu states |
| 14:21.15 | Yucatan | eyah i did |
| 14:21.19 | Yucatan | k |
| 14:21.21 | carpii | it explains that us = user, ni is niced etc |
| 14:21.30 | Yucatan | what is niced |
| 14:21.38 | mr_crowley_ | !nice |
| 14:21.38 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
| 14:21.39 | carpii | man nice :D |
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| 14:22.59 | mr_crowley | is there a good book or guide about process |
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| 14:23.02 | mr_crowley | can you recommend me |
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| 14:23.33 | nader | Hey, I have iceweasel 2.0.0.15 (etch), now I wanna update it to 2.0.0.19-0etch1 without getting whole package size (It's 8mb) |
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| 14:23.38 | mr_crowley | i google it already |
| 14:23.58 | Yucatan | thx ahyways gyts |
| 14:24.00 | Yucatan | guys |
| 14:24.01 | nader | What Can I do ? |
| 14:24.16 | nader | I want updates only |
| 14:25.10 | nader | Is anyway ? |
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| 14:25.51 | mstr1tw` | xp |
| 14:26.12 | stew | nader: there is nothing you can do, really. debian has discussed binary diffs in the past but I believe the thinking has always been that it was way too much work for the benefit |
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| 14:28.35 | jaggz | Anyone know a map or xml editing/visualization tool ... I just saw this advertisement but wondered if something free was available: http://www.altova.com/images/shots/mapforce_data_mapping_thumb.gif |
| 14:28.41 | nader | stew, ok thanks |
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| 14:29.09 | EvilGenius | is there any way to do a minimal install of gnome? |
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| 14:29.20 | jaggz | (that's not the ad I saw.. that's an image on the page when I went to investigate) |
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| 14:30.02 | Hideme | Does anyone know of some articles on building a SATA NAS (20TB+)? |
| 14:30.56 | Titan8990 | thats a big storage array |
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| 14:31.06 | abrotman | Hideme: i used superglue |
| 14:31.36 | Hideme | yeah.. and I'm looking to go bigger than 20TB. |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | Hideme: actually .. there was an interesting article on uhm ... can't recall now .. hold on |
| 14:31.36 | Hideme | abrotman: superglue? |
| 14:31.36 | Wobler | Hi, I got my laptop from warranty fixing. They changed motherboard. I kept the hard disk, so I'm 100% sure nothing has changed on my end. Now I have a problem with my keyboard. I've got 2 different keys with same keycode. So, I'm missing pipe, greater than and smaller than signs. I'm a little baffled... don't know how should I fix this? |
| 14:32.11 | spvensko | what is the command to check the version number for a program? |
| 14:32.11 | spvensko | i tried which <name> but that didn't seem to give me what i wanted |
| 14:32.15 | Wobler | I got the same keycode from both of the two keys. |
| 14:32.22 | mr_crowley | program --version |
| 14:32.26 | Wobler | with xev, that is. |
| 14:32.30 | abrotman | Hideme: hold on .. i read it somewhere .. give me a few minutes |
| 14:32.52 | Hideme | abrotman: Are you thinking of BackBlaze? |
| 14:32.55 | abrotman | Hideme: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ .. or 30 seconds :) |
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| 14:32.58 | Wobler | and they work the same in text mode consol (ctrl+alt+F1) |
| 14:33.01 | Hideme | hah yeah |
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| 14:33.03 | Hideme | Saw that. |
| 14:33.54 | Hideme | abrotman: BackBlaze requires some PSU modification and the manufacture will only do it if you order 200+ units. |
| 14:34.17 | Hideme | abrotman: Tell me more about this superglue you used? |
| 14:34.19 | markrian | I just discovered that users on my system can become root with su, even though they are not members of wheel or anything like that. How is this possible? How can I disable this? |
| 14:34.28 | abrotman | Hideme: i was kidding |
| 14:34.35 | Hideme | Jerk. :P |
| 14:34.36 | mr_crowley | orly |
| 14:34.55 | carpii | markrian, its normally configured in /etc/sudoers i think |
| 14:34.57 | \amethyst | markrian: because the wheel group isn't required by default. See /etc/pam.d/su to configure this |
| 14:35.00 | EvilGenius | What should i use for basic VNC usage... Gnome or what ?? please advise |
| 14:35.08 | mr_crowley | but that is for sudo not for su |
| 14:35.10 | Titan8990 | carpii, no... sudo is not related to su |
| 14:35.14 | carpii | oh ok :( |
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| 14:35.19 | \amethyst | markrian: there is an 'auth required pam_wheel.so' line you can uncomment there |
| 14:35.42 | markrian | carpii: they can't use sudo, only su |
| 14:35.43 | abrotman | Hideme: /join #debian-offtopic (what you're asking doesn't seem to have much to do with debian) |
| 14:36.08 | mr_crowley | evilgenius tightvnc? |
| 14:36.10 | mr_crowley | perhaps |
| 14:36.33 | EvilGenius | I got tightvnc, but need a Desktop Env. i was thinkin of something light. |
| 14:36.53 | markrian | \amethyst: thanks, that looks like it'll do the trick. But good god, isn't that crazy, that by default, any user can become root?! |
| 14:37.38 | mr_crowley | gnome is good |
| 14:37.57 | mr_crowley | indeed |
| 14:38.16 | Titan8990 | markrian, for a desktop system i wouldn't say its crazy |
| 14:38.38 | EvilGenius | actually the last time I installed it, i got severl theme related errors |
| 14:38.50 | EvilGenius | i just need something like, and easy |
| 14:39.27 | EvilGenius | Xfce or IceWM ... ?? |
| 14:39.30 | markrian | Titan8990: not when you share the machine with possibly stupid and malicious people |
| 14:39.31 | \amethyst | markrian: if they know the password, yes... one reason may be so that, if you screw up the wheel group, you still have a way of fixing it without sitting down at the computer |
| 14:39.38 | mr_crowley | xfce then |
| 14:39.56 | EvilGenius | #apt-get install xfce ... anything else? |
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| 14:40.25 | \amethyst | yeah, I would try TERM not KILL |
| 14:40.26 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 14:40.39 | mr_crowley | no xfce4 |
| 14:40.54 | EvilGenius | #apt-get install xfce4 ? |
| 14:41.14 | mr_crowley | and xfce4-goodies maybe |
| 14:41.31 | EvilGenius | ok. thanks i'll do it now. |
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| 14:42.37 | markrian | \amethyst: thing is, and I'm not entirely sure why, the users only need *their own* passwords to become root |
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| 14:43.24 | \amethyst | markrian: that's abnormal |
| 14:44.21 | markrian | \amethyst: I've locked the root account and have sudo enabled, but I don't think that could be why, right? |
| 14:44.24 | EvilGenius | mr_crowley, Thank you! Works Great! |
| 14:44.49 | mr_crowley | evilgenius: GREAT you're welcome!! |
| 14:45.08 | _2 | is there any chance i could find/use a backport of grub-pc (grub2) for etch? |
| 14:45.22 | AppDeb | markrian: sudo or su. why do you use both |
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| 14:45.47 | PinkFreud | markrian: sudo uses the user's password. su uses root's. |
| 14:45.48 | \amethyst | markrian: sudo being installed shouldn't affect su... and I wouldn't expect a locked root account to affect which password is prompted for, but that's worth testing (set a 16-char or so password) |
| 14:45.49 | justin | AppDeb: because they do different things? |
| 14:45.49 | _2 | sudo -i ~= sudo su - |
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| 14:45.58 | Titan8990 | AppDeb, sudo can be useful for granting a user a permission to run a particular command |
| 14:46.06 | Titan8990 | and not all commands as root, unlike su |
| 14:46.14 | PinkFreud | markrian: You control access to sudo via it's configuration - if you don't want a user becoming root (or another user), you do not give them access to sudo. |
| 14:46.39 | AppDeb | yes the point is what markrian needs |
| 14:46.43 | Titan8990 | PinkFreud, that is only true if you lock root |
| 14:46.43 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: he's saying that *su* is allowing access with the user's password rather than root's |
| 14:46.44 | mr_crowley | block the permision to use su.... :P |
| 14:47.08 | markrian | AppDeb: I exclusively use sudo, however, I just installed gnome and played around with a new user, and found that the administrative apps authenticated, and allowed the user to change system settings - so I checked gksu, which was set to use su and not sudo, and then realised su was allowing this |
| 14:47.25 | \amethyst | markrian: have you tried su from the command line? |
| 14:47.33 | \amethyst | markrian: does it also exhibit the behaviour |
| 14:47.34 | \amethyst | ? |
| 14:47.36 | PinkFreud | \amethyst: that seems unlikely, unless he's doing something like 'sudo su' |
| 14:47.45 | \amethyst | markrian: gksu might be falling back to sudo |
| 14:47.54 | PinkFreud | as little sense as that makes, I've seen plenty of people do just that. |
| 14:48.04 | markrian | \amethyst: yes, logs the user in with only their password |
| 14:48.24 | \amethyst | markrian: logs the user in as root? |
| 14:48.32 | PinkFreud | markrian: are you running su? or sudo su? |
| 14:48.32 | AppDeb | markrian: the gksu options are bugged, they use sudo if it available whatever the option i think |
| 14:48.33 | justin | markrian: are you sure the users password isn't the same as roots password? |
| 14:48.34 | et | PinkFreud: why do you think it doesn't make sense? |
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| 14:49.31 | PinkFreud | et: because sudo can give you a shell (-s), optionally with the user's default environment (-H, though this is default on Debian) |
| 14:49.42 | PinkFreud | sudo su is merely redundant. |
| 14:49.57 | mr_crowley | i know... i used it sometimes :$ |
| 14:50.01 | _2 | !!! word to the wise: when playing with su/sudo open a root terminal and keep it open until all changes have been throughly tested !!! |
| 14:50.10 | markrian | justin: root is locked, by password root -l |
| 14:50.13 | et | well, -s and su are two chars and su is nearer to type |
| 14:50.22 | \amethyst | _2: and use 'visudo' to edit sudoers |
| 14:50.33 | PinkFreud | markrian: are you using su by itself, or under sudo? also, is su symlinked to sudo? |
| 14:50.33 | \amethyst | _2: it won't let you quit until the file is syntactically correct |
| 14:50.36 | AppDeb | visudo usually checks for bad errors |
| 14:50.43 | mr_crowley | sudo visudo |
| 14:50.44 | PinkFreud | markrian: it *really* sounds like you're running sudo there. |
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| 14:51.05 | markrian | I'm definitely just running 'su', and then typing the user's password in, and he's then got root |
| 14:51.05 | _2 | \amethyst pfft it will let you ^C so that only works really as a warning system |
| 14:51.26 | mr_crowley | gee |
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| 14:51.43 | justin | markrian: do you get root even if you type a random string? |
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| 14:51.53 | justin | markrian: if you don't what exactly does it output? |
| 14:52.14 | \amethyst | _2: ctrl-c from the prompt will keep the old sudoers; you need capital Q to save the broken changes |
| 14:52.17 | PinkFreud | et: if you really want to look at it that way, sudo su is less efficient as you're now loading and executing an extra binary. :P |
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| 14:52.55 | markrian | justin: I get 'su: Authentication failure' if I type in something other than the user's password |
| 14:53.13 | \amethyst | markrian: and if you try this as a different user, it works with *that* user's password? |
| 14:53.21 | et | PinkFreud: i care about *my* efficiency, not of that of the computer, its whole purpose is to take work away from me |
| 14:53.28 | et | PinkFreud: http://codepad.org/awAQ5POA btw |
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| 14:53.42 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 14:53.51 | \amethyst | 'sudo su' is a little easier to type than 'sudo -sH' |
| 14:54.34 | PinkFreud | et: sudo -s -H |
| 14:54.41 | Titan8990 | sudo -i |
| 14:54.53 | markrian | \amethyst: Yes, I've tried with several different users, none of them (I thought) with any privileges, all can log in with just su plus their own password |
| 14:54.56 | PinkFreud | you're running your .zshrc - I'm guessing it's on an nfs share. |
| 14:54.58 | et | PinkFreud: i just wanted to point out that it isn't default |
| 14:55.12 | et | (the -H, as you said) |
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| 14:55.48 | PinkFreud | et: Perhaps not. I know that Debian's sudo will give you /sbin and /usr/sbin in your path by default (which is most definitely not default on other distros). |
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| 14:56.05 | thnee | can someone tell me if i am missing some (-dev) package that makes this happen: http://pastebin.com/m92f6fe6 ? |
| 14:56.07 | PinkFreud | I figured it was giving you root's env, though it may just be adding those to your path. |
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| 14:57.04 | Titan8990 | thnee, should probably ask whoever put that application out |
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| 14:57.10 | Titan8990 | thnee, or use the debian package if available |
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| 14:57.46 | markrian | Okay, I don't know what exactly did it, but now users can't authenticate as root using their passwords, or any password, as expected. I should have been more methodical about changing things, as I'd *really* like to know what was going on there |
| 14:58.00 | bombadil_ | hello, i am trying to get direct rendering working on my asus eee 1005ha netbook. i installed debian lenny, and used kernel 2.6.31. i believe i compiled the kernel with my intel graphics chipset drivers, but xorg.conf has nothing under device. |
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| 14:58.25 | bombadil_ | how can i configure xorg.conf to enable direct rendering? |
| 14:58.48 | thnee | Titan8990: yeah i have, and he doesnt know, and the repos have old versions |
| 14:59.13 | taleb | hello, can anyone please tell me how to change the local language settings for every one from the command line... |
| 14:59.13 | thnee | Titan8990: i am asking here, because i thought the filenames might be obvious to someone who knows, what package they belong to |
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| 14:59.56 | Titan8990 | thnee, use apt-file |
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| 15:00.05 | Titan8990 | thnee, and maybe apt-get buld-dep <package> |
| 15:00.09 | thnee | Titan8990: the thing is, the dev of that app can build it on debian lenny, which i also have |
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| 15:00.16 | Titan8990 | thnee, was there no INSTALL documentation? |
| 15:00.44 | thnee | Titan8990: i did build-dep for the odler version in repos, didnt help. i'll try apt-file |
| 15:00.51 | [US]shootm3 | hi people, i'm failing on search words here. How would i restrict an application to 1 core with debian . is that possible? nice values are just for priorities right ? |
| 15:00.57 | thnee | Titan8990: there is, but it basically just says "run make" |
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| 15:01.35 | Titan8990 | thnee, we can't troubleshoot the fact that a developer of an application did not list or document the libs needed to compile |
| 15:01.39 | jpinx-eeepc | bombadil_: be patient ;) |
| 15:01.50 | Titan8990 | thnee, parse through it manually or take it up with the maintainer |
| 15:01.55 | xyan | [US]shootm3: affinity is what you are searching for |
| 15:02.28 | [US]shootm3 | xyan, many thanks.... |
| 15:03.07 | xyan | [US]shootm3: install schedutils and man taskset |
| 15:03.11 | thnee | Titan8990: okay then |
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| 15:06.14 | pmo_ | hi, i am looking for a computer case with plenty of 3.5 drive bay .. once i heard of one, with 11 bay.. but i dont rember brandmark and model, anybody heard of such a thing, in here ? |
| 15:06.46 | thnee | Titan8990: what exactly am i supposed to do with apt-file? |
| 15:07.35 | xyan | pmo_: internal or external? chieftec builds decent bigtower cases |
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| 15:08.08 | pmo_ | xyan, internal |
| 15:08.25 | helo | how do i get grub2 to install boot entries for my linux installs on /dev/sdb1 as well as the default /dev/sda1 |
| 15:08.26 | xyan | pmo_: then forget what i said ;) |
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| 15:08.48 | pmo_ | xyan, done :) |
| 15:08.52 | xyan | helo: upgrade-from-grub-legacy gives you a nice ncurses frontend for doing that |
| 15:08.59 | EvilGenius | Is there any arch manage for xfce4 in Lenny ? |
| 15:09.18 | EvilGenius | or someway i can right click n extract archives |
| 15:09.19 | pmo_ | i had P182 in mind.. but looking at it ,that was not the one i was looking for.. |
| 15:09.19 | helo | xyan: no promting here |
| 15:09.32 | helo | it just installs onto my mbr |
| 15:09.58 | xyan | helo: then run grub-install yourself |
| 15:10.30 | et | pmo_: http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4540/specs.xml |
| 15:10.52 | ribasushi | when a developer is MIA what is the normal procedure? |
| 15:10.57 | thnee | this cant be right: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/bin/apt-file line 96, <SOURCE> line 5. |
| 15:11.15 | Titan8990 | thnee, # |
| 15:11.15 | Titan8990 | /usr/include/sys/types.h:147:20: error: stddef.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:11.17 | helo | shouldn't there be a config option i can add to /etc/default/grub indicating which root partitions i want entries created for? |
| 15:11.18 | balzac5000 | I'm trying to do a compile from a source tarball, but the install scripts complain that "You need to have zlib...". I've installed gambas2-gb-compress-bzlib2, gambas2-gb-compress-zlib, zlib-bin, zlibc, and just about everything else "aptitude search zlib" finds. Anyone know what package I need? |
| 15:11.24 | pmo_ | et, hmm.. i should have mentioned.. price i had in mind was around 150$.. and was PC alike.. not sun :-/ |
| 15:11.24 | Titan8990 | thnee, apt-file find stddef.h |
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| 15:11.43 | thnee | Titan8990: yeah thats what i tried, but with errno, and i get that error |
| 15:11.48 | thnee | Titan8990: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/bin/apt-file line 96, <SOURCE> line 5. |
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| 15:11.55 | thnee | my debian is broken? |
| 15:12.51 | Titan8990 | thnee, what version are you using |
| 15:13.07 | thnee | Titan8990: lenny |
| 15:13.21 | petemc | apt-file search foo |
| 15:13.54 | petemc | hmm, newer versions support find too? |
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| 15:15.07 | Titan8990 | thnee, what version of perl? |
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| 15:15.41 | thnee | Titan8990: v5.10.0 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 15:16.17 | tdn | Can I run more than one OpenSSH server on the same Lenny server? |
| 15:16.46 | Titan8990 | tdn, curious, why? ssh support simultaneous sessions |
| 15:17.15 | tdn | Titan8990, I need to run with two different configurations. |
| 15:17.21 | Titan8990 | thnee, just a check if perl is borked: update-alternatives --list java |
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| 15:17.49 | Titan8990 | tdn, and this is not a design problem? |
| 15:18.33 | SlayerXP | :402 |
| 15:18.43 | petemc | tdn: you should be able to start another instance with its own configfile |
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| 15:19.09 | thnee | Titan8990: No alternatives for java. so i guess it works |
| 15:19.31 | tdn | Titan8990, it depends... It is not, if it is possible (easy) to have two ssh servers. The situation is, that we have a server that uses openssh for a specific service -- NOT remote administration. We would like to have another sshd with a slightly different configuration for remote administration. |
| 15:19.51 | tdn | petemc, how would be the "debian way" of doing that? |
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| 15:19.58 | balzac5000 | I'm trying to do a compile from a source tarball, but the install scripts complain that "You need to have zlib...". I've installedgambas2-gb-compress- bzlib2, gambas2-gb-compress-zlib, zlib-bin, zlibc, and just about everything else "aptitude search zlib" finds. Anyone know what package I need? |
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| 15:20.33 | tdn | petemc, should I create a duplicate openssh package and modify it, so that it places it's configuration files in /etc/myssh or something? |
| 15:20.36 | Titan8990 | balzac5000, what your compiling isn't available in a debian package? |
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| 15:20.56 | SteveJones | hi there, i need to rebuild my kernel 2.6.8 (yes i know its old) to 2.6.31, can someone point me to the best documentation for this |
| 15:21.05 | petemc | tdn: no, just run another instance, /usr/sbin/sshd -f /other/file... |
| 15:21.11 | Titan8990 | SteveJones, thats a major jump.... |
| 15:21.18 | tdn | petemc, ahh... Ok. |
| 15:21.26 | balzac5000 | Titan8990: ntop is what I'm after and there's a conflict between the zlib used to make the package and the zlib installed in Lenny 5.0.3 |
| 15:21.36 | balzac5000 | The lenny ntop package no workie as-is in the repo |
| 15:21.45 | petemc | i use ntop fine |
| 15:21.49 | Titan8990 | so do i |
| 15:21.52 | petemc | balzac5000: what doesnt work? |
| 15:21.56 | SteveJones | Titan8990: yes sir i realize that, i have some sarge(3.1) servers that are sadly not possible to be upgraded to etch/lenny, based on clients, but wanted to try and get a more secure kernel with the 3.1 o/s |
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| 15:22.22 | Titan8990 | SteveJones, your first time compiling a kernel? |
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| 15:22.29 | SteveJones | debian yes, linux no |
| 15:22.37 | scientes | how can you set up apt to always install -dev and -dbg files? |
| 15:22.47 | Titan8990 | i haven't done it in debian myself, I imagine its not much different |
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| 15:22.58 | SteveJones | ive always done it with freebsd, redhat, or SuSE |
| 15:23.02 | balzac5000 | petemc: Package installs fine, I can set the admin password, but whenever I aim a browser at it I get " **WARNING** gzflush error -2(stream error)" errors in syslog and only blank pages are displayed. |
| 15:23.02 | Titan8990 | the wiki probably has some good info |
| 15:23.17 | nsadmin | Titan8990: you just contradicted yourself... first you say it doesn't work, then you agree with petemc that you use it just fine... which is it? |
| 15:23.34 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, i never said ntop didn't work?? |
| 15:23.54 | tdn | petemc, thanks. I think this solves my problem. |
| 15:23.58 | balzac5000 | petemc: The folks at the ntop list suggest a zlib version mismatch |
| 15:24.12 | petemc | balzac5000: you're using all lenny packages? |
| 15:24.20 | balzac5000 | Aye |
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| 15:24.38 | negge | I have a slight problem with one of my filesystems. I have an EEEPc running Debian testing. The /usr partition is located on a SD card (/dev/sdb1). The problem is, everytime I start the computer fsck tells me the superblock is missing on /dev/sdb1 so it cannot check the filesystem. Running e2fsck manually works if I use "e2fsck -f -b 32768 /dev/sdb1", and it always finishes saying "Free blocks count wrong for group #0 (xxxxx, counted xxxxx)". After that |
| 15:24.39 | nsadmin | oh, misread. sorry |
| 15:24.53 | SteveJones | anyone able to give me some , best practices advice recompilin/upgrading my debian kernel? (im searching the web now but not really finding a guide) |
| 15:25.03 | balzac5000 | petemc: This is on a box that I upgraded from etch to lenny 5.0.2 and then 5.0.3 |
| 15:25.08 | abrotman | SteveJones: what's wrong with the one you have ? |
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| 15:25.35 | SteveJones | abrotman: sarge(3.1), 2.6.8 :) |
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| 15:25.45 | negge | SteveJones: look at this guide: http://howtoforge.com/roll_a_kernel_debian_ubuntu_way It's a bit old but nothing essential has changed. |
| 15:25.46 | cahoot | SteveJones: no help but I suspect you'll meet some obstacles like devfs later udev etcetera |
| 15:25.47 | whatnow | Hi! How do I set that magic gnome keyring & admin thing to use sudo again? |
| 15:26.06 | abrotman | SteveJones: FFS .. upgrade your box |
| 15:26.18 | SteveJones | abrotman: i cant |
| 15:26.27 | SteveJones | negge: ty looking |
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| 15:26.50 | nsadmin | SteveJones: why? |
| 15:27.02 | SteveJones | abrotman: clients do not want the box upgraded, they are forced (by crappy code/apps) to use php4, etc |
| 15:27.09 | SteveJones | ^^^ |
| 15:27.22 | SteveJones | so im trying to do the best i can to protect an ancient system |
| 15:27.54 | SteveJones | the thing i was worried about is that apt-get is probably broken with sarge since it's so old and deprecated |
| 15:28.10 | hark | whatnow: update-alternatives -config libgksu-gconf-defaults |
| 15:28.39 | nsadmin | SteveJones: you'll be fighting an increasingly uphill battle... many helpers here, for example, don't support sarge |
| 15:28.44 | hark | whatnow: --config |
| 15:28.55 | SteveJones | nsadmin: i totally understand that |
| 15:29.02 | SteveJones | and for good reason |
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| 15:29.25 | justin | SteveJones: you are better off upgrading to lenny and installing php4 there |
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| 15:29.25 | SteveJones | but alas i just am trying to do what I can, to secure this ancient setup until these ppl redevelop their code |
| 15:29.37 | SteveJones | justin: that'd be a nightmare |
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| 15:29.46 | justin | it is less work in the long run |
| 15:29.52 | SteveJones | actually it'd probably be more :) |
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| 15:30.01 | SteveJones | a few thousand vhosts |
| 15:30.09 | justin | the php you have now is probably unsupported and vulnerable to a number of things |
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| 15:30.50 | Titan8990 | SteveJones, i have to deal with legacy application daily myself... feel your pain |
| 15:31.08 | SteveJones | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.24 | Titan8990 | our application was developed on SCO openserver 5.... |
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| 15:32.05 | asg | SteveJones: if you have to keep this running in production, a useful thing you can do is install modsecurity on an intermediate proxy to catch the majority of standard attacks. |
| 15:32.06 | SteveJones | at any rate , im reading over this article, ive setup a test 3.1 sarge box on similar hardware to test |
| 15:32.13 | whatnow | hark: Thanks, I don't know what strange autoconfigure that does, but I'll try to figure it out! (/me scared of gnome magic) |
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| 15:32.43 | SteveJones | asg: i think currently the only attack vectors have been via the kernel (granted theres probably 100 other ways) |
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| 15:33.09 | [US]shootm3 | xyan, thanks very much, exactly what i wanted. works great |
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| 15:33.27 | xyan | [US]shootm3: no problem |
| 15:33.58 | asg | SteveJones: tons but if you have a secure proxy between the two, the insecure kernel will not be vulnerable since the proxy will be making the point-to-point connection back to the vulnerable web server. modsecurity adds an additional layer of isolating sql injection attacks, etc. |
| 15:34.15 | c03 | hi |
| 15:34.23 | c03 | how do I change my dns ? |
| 15:34.29 | c03 | in my dhclient.conf ? |
| 15:34.30 | SteveJones | asg, any documentation on that? |
| 15:34.34 | c03 | I mean, what do I write? |
| 15:34.46 | OpenTokix | c03: do you have the file open? |
| 15:34.49 | c03 | yep |
| 15:34.50 | asg | SteveJones: modsecurity.org |
| 15:34.55 | SteveJones | ok |
| 15:34.58 | OpenTokix | c03: you can add the options you see commented above |
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| 15:35.16 | SteveJones | is that opensrc? |
| 15:35.19 | morpheuss | co3 change it in resolv.conf |
| 15:35.21 | OpenTokix | prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 15:35.32 | asg | SteveJones: yes |
| 15:35.33 | OpenTokix | morpheuss: no, it willeb overwritten by dhcp-client next time he starts |
| 15:35.34 | SteveJones | ty asg, looking |
| 15:35.45 | c03 | like this: # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 15:35.46 | c03 | ? |
| 15:35.49 | asg | SteveJones: thare are some extra bits you can buy but the core code and ruleset is open |
| 15:36.08 | OpenTokix | c03: without the # and I can assume its not 127.0.0.1, but your actual dns-server |
| 15:36.25 | c03 | aye |
| 15:36.26 | c03 | =) |
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| 15:37.36 | rpaulson | is it possible to create a netinstall image with a custom kernel package? |
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| 15:38.07 | rpaulson | the reason I'm asking is I need the 2.6.31 kernel to get the ethernet card to work during installation |
| 15:38.09 | helo_ | is there a guide somewhere on adding additional grub-pc boot entries? |
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| 15:38.56 | c03 | OpenTokix: didn't quite work, http://c03.pastebin.com/m3005aba0 is what I uncommented and changed |
| 15:39.22 | tdn | petemc, we have discussed the possibility to start another sshd instance with custom configuration file. That is not a problem in itself. The problem is, however, to administer and maintain a forked init script, PID-file, etc. for this extra sshd. How would you approach this? |
| 15:39.32 | OpenTokix | c03: you have to add supersede before the domain-name-servers |
| 15:39.51 | helo_ | i did "cp /boot/grub.d/10_linux /boot/grub.d/11_linux" and changed LINUX_ROOT_DEVICE to /dev/sdb1, but it still boots with groot=(hd0,1) instead of (hd1,0) |
| 15:40.00 | c03 | ok |
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| 15:40.35 | valdyn | helo_: those files are used to generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, they dont affect anything directly |
| 15:40.39 | c03 | OpenTokix: still doesn't work =/ |
| 15:40.47 | SteveJones | asg, the issue is, how would running a proxy/modsecurity protect from some dummy who has a php script that doesnt validate input? |
| 15:40.55 | SteveJones | if i have a vulnerable kernel, that could escalate to root |
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| 15:40.58 | OpenTokix | c03: paste again |
| 15:41.01 | helo_ | valdyn: right... after i did that, i ran "update-grub2" |
| 15:41.17 | c03 | http://c03.pastebin.com/m4056bc0c |
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| 15:41.24 | valdyn | helo_: i dont know exactly how this works - you can read /boot/grub/grub.cfg yourself |
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| 15:42.19 | helo_ | valdyn: do you know how i can get grub-pc to probe my partitions to automatically create the entries? |
| 15:42.40 | helo_ | it seems to be triggered when i upgrade a kernel version |
| 15:42.41 | jpinx-eeepc | helo_: I thought grub-install did that |
| 15:42.53 | helo_ | it doesn't seem to look for new bootable locations |
| 15:43.03 | rpaulson | jpinx-eeepc: which eeepc do you have? and do you run debian on it? |
| 15:43.06 | valdyn | helo_: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) should do it too |
| 15:43.26 | jpinx-eeepc | rpaulson: 701 running lenny with backports using lxde desktop |
| 15:43.34 | rpaulson | oh |
| 15:43.40 | jpinx-eeepc | rpaulson: 4GBs SDD |
| 15:44.01 | rpaulson | jpinx-eeepc: I just bought an 1005HA and struggling... even the ethernet card is unsupported until 2.6.31 :P |
| 15:44.08 | c03 | OpenTokix: http://c03.pastebin.com/m4056bc0c |
| 15:44.30 | BlueG | Is there a backports channel? |
| 15:44.35 | OpenTokix | c03: you can add it earleir in the conf to |
| 15:44.38 | xeon-enouf | i think grun-mkimage (grub2/grub-pc) is kind of important at some point |
| 15:45.03 | valdyn | but thats for something else |
| 15:45.06 | asg | SteveJones: if you have the time, you can proactively 'patch' the application by using the ruleset to do validation for you. However, if you can't trust your users then you are not going to benefit unless you upgrade to a stable, security supported system. |
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| 15:45.37 | xeon-enouf | helo_: it's /etc/grub.d/ not /boot/grub.d/ right? |
| 15:45.45 | OpenTokix | c03: Earlier. |
| 15:45.49 | SteveJones | asg: understood , but a upgrade kernel would atleast remove that as an attack vector based on kernel exploits, was my goal |
| 15:45.57 | helo_ | xeon-enouf: err yes |
| 15:45.58 | valdyn | helo_: update-grub *does* regenerate grub.cfg |
| 15:46.04 | c03 | OpenTokix: So not in the lease block? |
| 15:46.16 | helo_ | it seems to in sid, but let me retry it in lenny... |
| 15:46.18 | jpinx-eeepc | rpaulson: /join #debian-eeepc@irc.oftc.net |
| 15:46.23 | OpenTokix | c03: I dont do it in the lease-block, I do it right at the top |
| 15:46.25 | asg | SteveJones: yes but the 100s of userland vulnerabilities in a current sarge system would not present a problem to even a stupid script kiddie. |
| 15:46.33 | valdyn | helo_: maybe your 11_linux isnt exectuable |
| 15:46.34 | helo_ | i'm trying to get lenny's grub install to allow me to select from my lenny or sid root partition |
| 15:47.01 | SteveJones | asg: we do try and limit local accts to ftp only, but i hear you |
| 15:47.11 | helo_ | sid's grub install allows me to select lenny or sid right now... maybe i should just change my bios to boot from sdb |
| 15:47.21 | jpinx-eeepc | rpaulson: the 701 is a doddle to run lenny on, just tight for storage, but I have an external hdd ;) |
| 15:47.27 | c03 | OpenTokix: so where it says supersede dn or prepend dns? |
| 15:47.32 | helo_ | sdb being my sid root partition... |
| 15:47.33 | OpenTokix | c03: yeah |
| 15:47.41 | c03 | OpenTokix: which? =) |
| 15:47.46 | valdyn | helo_: you should probably chainload the secondary grub |
| 15:48.02 | valdyn | helo_: that way 2 grubs stay and you can let debian maintain each |
| 15:48.08 | OpenTokix | supersede domain-name-servers ip; |
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| 15:48.18 | c03 | OpenTokix: that's a mix of the two |
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| 15:48.49 | OpenTokix | c03: yes |
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| 15:49.30 | OpenTokix | c03: no, sorry - should be prepend |
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| 15:50.04 | c03 | k |
| 15:50.29 | c03 | OpenTokix: ping google.com - unknown host |
| 15:50.46 | OpenTokix | what does your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
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| 15:51.03 | c03 | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 15:51.03 | c03 | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
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| 15:51.09 | c03 | and nothing else |
| 15:51.35 | canci_Xxx | hello! |
| 15:51.41 | OpenTokix | c03: then it should work |
| 15:51.46 | canci_Xxx | anyone experienced with pppoeconf? |
| 15:51.57 | c03 | OpenTokix: doesn't =/ can't ping hostnames |
| 15:52.15 | OpenTokix | c03: do you have dig installed? |
| 15:52.24 | c03 | dig? |
| 15:53.13 | BlueG | Are backports questions appropriate in #debian? |
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| 15:53.33 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: try some ;) |
| 15:54.24 | balzac5000 | petemc: Turns out my problem with NTOP was the permissions on the /tmp directory. As soon as I did a chmod g+w to /tmp the issue went away. |
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| 15:55.42 | Fare | the pitch of my X beep is off since I upgraded packages recently. The pitch argument to xset b now seems to measure a period rather than a frequency - unit not specified |
| 15:55.43 | helo_ | valdyn: is there a file i can edit (or create) in /etc/grub.d/ to chainload? i could do the chainload from grub.cfg, but i think it would be overwritten... |
| 15:56.04 | xeon-enouf | balzac5000: /tmp is supposed to be 1777 |
| 15:56.24 | xeon-enouf | and ntop only runs as root, iirc |
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| 15:56.37 | Fare | is it a bug in xset? in the X server? in the linux kernel? |
| 15:56.38 | dvinchi____ | check http://dvinchi.no-ip.info:8080/Arp/index.jsp |
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| 15:56.38 | dvinchi____ | check http://dvinchi.no-ip.info:8080/Arp/index.jsp |
| 15:56.42 | xeon-enouf | bah.. or is that another n<something> |
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| 15:56.49 | valdyn | helo_: this is leading a little far me teaching you how booting works, how to write scripts, how to read scripts |
| 15:57.04 | valdyn | helo_: why dont you look at the examples yourself, theres files there, theres /usr/share/doc and websites |
| 15:57.05 | balzac5000 | xeon-enouf: that works too. The troublesome box was set up via an rsync restore, so there may have been an issue there |
| 15:57.08 | xeon-enouf | helo_: ask in #grub |
| 15:57.09 | BlueG | Well, pidgin in backports doesn't appear to be installable on i386. The only available version of pidgin is 2.5.9, but the only available version of pidgin-data (on which it depends) is 2.6.2. There is a 2.6.2 pidgin, but only for ppc. |
| 15:57.11 | hark | Fare: see Beep in alsamixer |
| 15:57.13 | helo_ | if there's a man page, i'd be thrilled to read it |
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| 15:57.23 | Honeyman | Hi all. After upgrading my Squeeze (which upgraded a lot of packages), my new kernels are not bootable - they hang at "Waiting for root file system" phase. Seems like I have some initrd generation issues (I have LVM, so probably /dev/mapper is not visible to initrd anymore). I still have an old 2.6.26 kernel which I can boot, but what can I do to fix it? update-initramfs doesn't help much |
| 15:57.24 | xeon-enouf | helo_: grub.enbug.org |
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| 15:57.38 | helo_ | i was thinking /etc/grub.d was a debian-specific thing |
| 15:57.57 | xeon-enouf | helo_: not really, but even if so, a DD is in there |
| 15:58.10 | c03 | OpenTokix: Works now, after I did dhclient3 instead of just ifconfig eth0 down and up |
| 15:58.12 | Honeyman | I doublechecked /etc/lvm/lvm.conf (which was updated during the upgrade), and /dev/mapper is not filtered out. |
| 15:58.13 | c03 | =) |
| 15:58.15 | petemc | everything is getting a conf.d directory now, seems to be the way forward |
| 15:58.19 | OpenTokix | c03: hehe |
| 15:58.20 | petemc | balzac5000: good job |
| 15:58.21 | Fare | hark: that changes the volume, not the pitch |
| 15:58.23 | elli222 | /etc/grub.d comes with Grub2, |
| 15:58.27 | OpenTokix | c03: you have /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:58.29 | c03 | !congratulate c03 |
| 15:58.29 | dpkg | Huzzah c03, you did it! |
| 15:58.36 | balzac5000 | petemc: Fanks! |
| 15:58.43 | c03 | OpenTokix: okay!? |
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| 15:58.59 | Fare | the kernel's beep seems fine at the console, so it must be an X issue (though did the kernel make an incompatible API change on pitch selection?) |
| 15:59.08 | xeon-enouf | !bell |
| 15:59.08 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
| 15:59.27 | Fare | xeon-enouf, I don't want to disable the bell, I want to fix its pitch. |
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| 15:59.43 | xeon-enouf | that's in one of those manpages IIRC |
| 15:59.50 | OpenTokix | c03: thatwill do everything fixing resolv etc. |
| 15:59.58 | c03 | okay =) |
| 15:59.58 | BlueG | Is there a way around the missing pidgin-data package? |
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| 16:00.07 | Fare | xset says it can tune the pitch in Hz, but apparently it doesn't |
| 16:00.08 | BlueG | Or is that something that is likely to be fixed soon? |
| 16:00.19 | Fare | (may be a bug in xset, xorg, linux) |
| 16:00.30 | xeon-enouf | unless snd-pcsp module does that nowadays, through alsa, modinfo snd_pcsp |
| 16:00.37 | stew | BlueG: where is pidgin-data missing from? |
| 16:00.50 | stew | judd: versions pidgin-data |
| 16:00.51 | judd | stew: pidgin-data -- sid: 2.4.3-4 lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 experimental: 2.5.4-1 lenny-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 16:01.06 | Fare | on another machine, xset works. |
| 16:01.27 | xeon-enouf | Fare: kernel versions are? |
| 16:01.27 | hark | Fare: it's new behavior in 2.6.30. don't know of a way you can |
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| 16:02.17 | elli222 | mmm, i installed compiz, and now whenever i log in to GNOME, it starts... |
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| 16:02.27 | BlueG | stew: pidgin 2.5.9 in backports needs a corresponding pidgin-data to be installed. But the only pidgin-sata in backports is 2.6.2 and the newest pidgin for i386 is 2.5.9 |
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| 16:02.32 | Fare | on the working machine, the kernel is 2.6.26. The one with inverted frequency pitch is a 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 16:02.35 | xeon-enouf | hark: for xset? or ...? |
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| 16:03.03 | elli222 | err, isnt 2.5.9 LOWER then 2.6.2? |
| 16:03.07 | stew | judd: versions pidgin |
| 16:03.07 | judd | stew: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 16:03.08 | Fare | I'll try rebooting with the previous kernel to see if that's the issue... (upgraded because of some USB issues) |
| 16:03.14 | xeon-enouf | hark: i have .30 installed here |
| 16:03.30 | stew | BlueG: check the backports mailing list, and If it hasn't yet been asked there, ask |
| 16:03.42 | BlueG | Ok |
| 16:04.08 | hark | xeon-enouf: maybe in .29 as well |
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| 16:05.30 | elli222 | i installed compiz, and now it starts in gnome by default, how do i revert it to metacity w/o uninstalling compiz? |
| 16:06.16 | elli222 | ive looked through just about every gnome config file i know D: |
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| 16:07.15 | Fare | ouch. I had forgotten to re-run grub-pc. Once again, grml saves the day |
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| 16:08.42 | omid8bimo | going off the grid |
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| 16:09.58 | xeon-enouf | hark: i checked modinfo for both pcspkr and snd_pcsp, and i don;t see anything relevant pertaining, if not, wouldn't it be a) an alsa thing (unrelated to those modules) or b) an Xorg thing? |
| 16:10.39 | hark | oh, you're asking about that |
| 16:10.50 | xeon-enouf | hark: though Fare seems to say it works in .26 |
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| 16:11.09 | BlueG | Hmm, apparently, someone uploaded a broken pidgin package, the old one that worked has been removed, and the stable one won't work with yahoo at all. That's some serious breakage. |
| 16:11.11 | ctmjr | elli222: metacity --replace & disown |
| 16:11.25 | hark | xeon-enouf: it's this one: dmesg | grep Beep |
| 16:12.07 | xeon-enouf | hark: grep -i Beep /var/log/dmesg <--nada on .30 |
| 16:12.35 | elli222 | ctmjr: I meant systemwide... |
| 16:12.40 | BlueG | I know last time I tried to install from the squeeze source package, it was a nightmare... |
| 16:12.49 | hark | hang on, i'll see if i can find a link |
| 16:13.15 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 16:13.21 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: pidgin has a new version I believe, but not sure about .debs |
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| 16:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: check their website? |
| 16:13.54 | Fare | xeon-enouf, that was another machine. I'll try to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.30 on a machine where it currently works, and see. |
| 16:14.16 | xeon-enouf | Fare: i understand/understood you ;-) |
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| 16:14.25 | jpinx-eeepc | BlueG: all messenger-related stuff is having trouble these days, especially with the latest Yahoo |
| 16:15.02 | xeon-enouf | hark: i have to run out now for a while - crap .. thanks for anything you post pertaining, i'll read later |
| 16:15.25 | hark | sure |
| 16:16.11 | sylar | where is a samba share loaded when I enter it in nautilus? |
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| 16:18.29 | elli222 | .gvfs |
| 16:18.42 | elli222 | somewhere in there anyway ;) |
| 16:18.54 | Fare | btw, how do I get the initramfs dudes to commit a trivial fix to 334672 and 454665 ? |
| 16:19.23 | Fare | (when you're a DD, can you "just" commit a fix to any old package?) |
| 16:19.45 | Fare | (or do you have to go through the official maintainer, however slow he is?) |
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| 16:20.32 | Fare | (and have to overtake the package and become responsible for it if you're not satisfied) |
| 16:21.04 | Titan8990 | there is some very extensive docs on becoming a debian maintainer |
| 16:21.20 | Fare | not a kernel issue. Must be something else I upgraded. |
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| 16:22.13 | Fare | wait, I unsay what I said -- I failed to boot a different kernel |
| 16:22.19 | hlpmeplz | i have two servers set to download security updates from "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free". one works. the other seems to time out on conenctions to security.debian.org - any idea why the second server would time out?: "68% [Er wordt verbinding gemaakt met security.debian.org (2001:a78::16)]" |
| 16:22.45 | hlpmeplz | just hangs there |
| 16:22.52 | Fare | hlpmeplz, firewall rules? |
| 16:23.15 | hlpmeplz | the updates from ftp.be.debian.org work fine |
| 16:23.22 | hlpmeplz | could it still be firewall? |
| 16:24.05 | hark | xeon-enouf: found it |
| 16:24.05 | hlpmeplz | if ftp.uk.debian.org works and security.debian.org does not? |
| 16:24.11 | hark | hlpmeplz: it's trying to use ipv6 there |
| 16:24.31 | hlpmeplz | yikes... any way to tell it to stop doing that? |
| 16:25.25 | hark | i know you can do it system wide using gai.conf, but there might be a better way |
| 16:25.30 | hlpmeplz | and are you saying it's using ipv4 for ftp.uk.debian.org and ipv6 for security.debian.org ??? |
| 16:25.41 | hlpmeplz | no reason for it to have ipv6 enabled... |
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| 16:27.17 | Fare | (sigh. grub-mkconfig failed to correctly configure the initramfs for my previous kernels...) |
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| 16:27.50 | lindenle | is there a developer tools package in debian that has like automake, gcc etc etc |
| 16:28.18 | rgr | *blink* |
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| 16:29.32 | themill | !b-e lindenle |
| 16:29.32 | dpkg | lindenle: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:29.44 | hark | hlpmeplz: looks like it's that option only, see http://bugs.debian.org/268631 |
| 16:29.56 | themill | lindenle: that covers most of what you need.... if you want autofoo, then just install that separately. |
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| 16:30.13 | lindenle | thx |
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| 16:30.33 | hlpmeplz | hark: trying to disable ipv6 - thx |
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| 16:33.12 | hark | xeon-enouf: you must not be using snd-hda-intel |
| 16:33.45 | hlpmeplz | hark: u r da man - thx - working now |
| 16:35.27 | lindenle | Is there a skype binary for amd64 in debian |
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| 16:36.20 | hark | xeon-enouf: 1. http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg25413.html |
| 16:37.44 | hark | xeon-enouf: 2. http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124509023718903&w=4 |
| 16:38.25 | hark | xeon-enouf: 3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476411 |
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| 16:38.50 | hark | lindenle: not in debian, no |
| 16:39.39 | mns_ | anyone know of a bug tracking system that will keep track of actual time spent on a bug ? We have Jira at work and that can track start/pause/stop states. |
| 16:40.11 | hark | xeon-enouf: also in the bts, there are a couple of reports about it |
| 16:40.51 | themill | dpkg, pidgin bpo is <reply>The package for pidgin on backports.org is currently uninstallable on all architectures except powerpc because the version that was uploaded does not compile on i386 and amd64. This will be fixed at some stage soon. Hopefully. See http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20090921.065027.8970f6d5.en.html |
| 16:40.51 | dpkg | okay, themill |
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| 16:43.49 | Titan8990 | mns_, redmine maybe |
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| 16:44.20 | aibo | hi, how can I view configure packet options? |
| 16:44.56 | Titan8990 | thats a vague question |
| 16:45.04 | hark | !debian/rules |
| 16:45.04 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
| 16:45.40 | mns_ | Titan8990, thanks |
| 16:45.55 | aibo | hark, I don't need to change, just view, any simplier way? |
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| 16:47.11 | hark | aibo: i don't know of another generic way other than the rules file |
| 16:47.12 | Fare | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.15 | Fare | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:48.15 | lindenle | hark: so do I just run the 32 bit version? |
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| 16:49.51 | stew | lindenle: there isn't a 32 bit version (or any version) of skype in debian |
| 16:50.23 | Fare | (but there are .deb's on skype.com) |
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| 16:50.59 | hark | lindenle: you asked 'in debian' |
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| 16:52.58 | BlueG | looks like pidgin.im only has .debs for Ubuntu in a ppa... |
| 16:53.30 | abrotman | BlueG: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:53.43 | themill | no, /msg dpkg pidgin bpo |
| 16:53.43 | hark | lindenle: they do have a 64bit version now, but i haven't used it: http://skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ |
| 16:53.56 | BlueG | yes, I already saw that |
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| 16:55.18 | BlueG | I was just noting, since someone suggested it, that pidgin.im doesn't help because they don't have a Debian package, either. |
| 16:55.23 | hark | Fare: so you can vary the pitch using xset? |
| 16:56.15 | babilen | hi all. I need an initial pointer in the right direction. If I want to include an additional test in lintian that checks if the first line in a Python script is '#!/usr/bin/python' where would I do that? |
| 16:56.56 | themill | babilen: there's a lintian check that checks that #!/bin/sh files are marked as executable -- find that and copy it |
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| 16:59.12 | Fare | hark, I can vary it. |
| 16:59.33 | babilen | themill: ok, do you happen to know where to find it? It's the first time I look at lintian code, and I just need an overview |
| 16:59.35 | Fare | hark: the volume parameter to xset seems to be used for duration instead |
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| 17:00.27 | themill | babilen: "rgrep script-not-executable /usr/share/lintian/checks" seems fruitful. (I don't know lintian's internals either). BTW I presume you're aware of the current discussion on debian-python as to whether this is a good thing or not. |
| 17:00.28 | Fare | and the frequency parameter seems to be used instead for 5.6e5/frequency |
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| 17:00.34 | Fare | or something like that |
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| 17:01.06 | Fare | (my ear cannot give you better accuracy) |
| 17:01.50 | babilen | themill: yes I am. (I replied to your mail and jumped into the snake pit) |
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| 17:02.05 | lindenle2 | IS there a clean way to remove gnome and install kde? |
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| 17:02.26 | babilen | themill: but good user I am, I want to implement the check and at least provide it when i am replying to Josselins mail |
| 17:02.27 | themill | babilen: not my mail! |
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| 17:04.59 | Fare | wait, somehow I'm using 2.6.30-1-amd64, not -2-amd64 |
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| 17:05.59 | helo | ok, it wasn't detecting the linux install on my other partition because i didn't have os-prober installed |
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| 17:06.19 | Fare | what's os-prober? |
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| 17:06.57 | hark | judd: info os-prober |
| 17:06.57 | judd | hark: os-prober (utils): is extra; Version: 1.28; Size: 16.7k; Installed: 92k -- utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives |
| 17:06.59 | Tux^verdreifelt | yay, tomorrow is my first "why debian is way better than dumbuntu" presentation at my university :> |
| 17:07.21 | JoshH | why is it? |
| 17:07.22 | Fare | Tux^verdreifelt, better for what? |
| 17:07.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | better at all |
| 17:07.39 | rgr | Dont be stupid. |
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| 17:07.55 | Fare | not at getting a quick working demo on unknown hardware. |
| 17:07.57 | dropcode | is apt-get strictly for debian? |
| 17:08.10 | Fare | (but better at being managed in the long run, I agree) |
| 17:08.12 | rgr | or getting proprietary vidoe drivers working quickly and easily... |
| 17:08.24 | rgr | but over all Debian is better when you know more. |
| 17:08.27 | petemc | dropcode: no, its used elsewhere, originates with debian |
| 17:08.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | it's not easy either to get video drivers to work properly on buntu. |
| 17:08.39 | dropcode | so I can download it for my distro? |
| 17:08.43 | abrotman | Tux^verdreifelt: do you need help with Debian? |
| 17:08.47 | abrotman | dropcode: ask your distro |
| 17:08.47 | petemc | dropcode: possible, youd need to ask them |
| 17:09.16 | Fare | Tux^verdreifelt, ubuntu usually comes with a more coherent set of things that work, builtin. Afterwards, it becomes a pain to upgrade. |
| 17:09.41 | JoshH | ubuntu is better at not leaving you wondering when to plan for dist-upgrades for all your servers |
| 17:09.42 | Fare | ubuntu is great for throwaway installations. |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | if you want to discuss ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 17:09.54 | JoshH | that matters when you run more than a few |
| 17:10.00 | themill | JoshH: only because you can't. |
| 17:10.12 | JoshH | don't get me wrong, i like debian better |
| 17:10.12 | hark | surprising how quickly it all becomes ot ;) |
| 17:10.20 | Tux^verdreifelt | abrotman: i don't want to discuss ubuntu, as i don't like it at all |
| 17:10.27 | Tux^verdreifelt | ugly, crippled debian clone. |
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| 17:10.32 | Tux^verdreifelt | imho :) |
| 17:10.39 | JoshH | i do think the announcement about scheduled releases was great, and i think the people who are dead set against it are stupid |
| 17:10.40 | abrotman | then stop talking about it |
| 17:10.53 | rgr | In the context of comparing to debian it seems on topic enough here too. abrotman, however, is in charge ... |
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| 17:10.59 | abrotman | JoshH: 1) it wasn't a release schedule 2) scheduled releases are for managers |
| 17:11.00 | fredl | is upgrading a KVM Lenny to Sid |
| 17:11.09 | fredl | real happy with KVM so far. |
| 17:11.10 | themill | shepherds everyone into #debian-offtopic |
| 17:11.15 | JoshH | depends |
| 17:11.16 | Fare | I like the debian community, etc., but I'd like to see the antiquated deb system replaced with something better, like nix. |
| 17:11.39 | fredl | antiquated deb system? |
| 17:11.40 | Fare | fredl, do you have hardware acceleration for kvm? |
| 17:11.42 | helo | lol |
| 17:12.03 | JoshH | ubuntu's community, bug tracking responsibility, etc is absolute garbage |
| 17:12.12 | helo | 'ls' is pretty antiquated too... maybe we can replace it with "dir"? |
| 17:12.20 | fredl | JoshH - #debian-offtopic please :) |
| 17:12.31 | Fare | fredl, nix allows you to have your cake and eat it too. With .deb, there's no clean downgrade path except full disk backup & restore, so if you crucial package breaks you weep. |
| 17:12.43 | hark | helo: man dir :) |
| 17:13.16 | ranix | it's true deb has no downgrade, but I question if that's an issue |
| 17:13.25 | Fare | also, did the deb authors discover indexing at long last, or is it still all about grovelling zillions of text files? |
| 17:13.32 | fredl | Fare - and all those deb packages should just be converted to nix packages then? |
| 17:13.38 | Fare | with a linear search algorithm everytime |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | Does anyone actually want to talk about Debian support? |
| 17:13.51 | Fare | fredl, probably, over time. |
| 17:13.56 | JoshH | Fare: send in some fixes |
| 17:13.58 | ranix | #debian-offtopic is over there |
| 17:14.12 | ranix | we can talk about support in it! |
| 17:14.39 | fredl | anyway, even though the packaging is about #debian, I concur that this is a offtopic discussion. |
| 17:15.03 | Fare | (I suppose that walking big text files works fine if you have a recent server/desktop with plenty of available RAM... it can just kill an older machine) |
| 17:15.12 | ranix | I bet #debian-devel would argue better than we can about apt in the offtopic channel |
| 17:15.28 | themill | Fare: are you just here to troll or are your arguments based in fact at all? #debian-offtopic or drop it, please. |
| 17:15.30 | JoshH | they would just flame and ban |
| 17:15.42 | ranix | JoshH: a valid response sometimes |
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| 17:15.48 | JoshH | true |
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| 17:16.26 | Fare | anyway, it looks like some kernel interface and/or driver had an incompatible change in 2.6.30 relating to beep configuration. |
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| 17:16.48 | Fare | (or between 2.6.27 and 2.6.30 anyway) |
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| 17:19.24 | neutrino | how do i change the default cc compiler form gcc-4.3 to gcc-4.1? |
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| 17:20.18 | abrotman | CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 17:20.20 | hark | neutrino: /msg dpkg gcc |
| 17:20.24 | asg | or update-alternatives |
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| 17:21.01 | Fare | should I file a bug against debian? against the linux kernel? |
| 17:21.25 | hark | Fare: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg25413.html |
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| 17:21.45 | fredl | Hmm Sid also runs on 2.6.26-2 ? |
| 17:21.47 | themill | asg: there aren't any for gcc |
| 17:22.06 | Fare | looks like it might be fixed in 2.6.31 already. |
| 17:22.25 | Fare | hark, same driver, different bug. |
| 17:22.43 | fredl | I just apt-get dist-upgraded a virtual host to unstable. Won't that upgrade the kernel as well? |
| 17:22.54 | Fare | I think this is the fix to the bug: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/34945/ |
| 17:23.02 | asg | themill: when did that change? There used to be iirc. |
| 17:23.07 | neutrino | abrotman, hark, yes i have installed the gcc-4.1 but while compiling, the default compiler is gcc 4.3, i need to change it to 4.1 |
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| 17:23.24 | Fare | Paul Vojta (1): ALSA: hda - fix beep tone calculation for IDT/STAC codecs |
| 17:23.47 | hark | Fare: oh, the xset one |
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| 17:24.14 | Fare | (or maybe not -- I'll find out when debian packages a 2.6.31 or later) |
| 17:24.22 | themill | asg: there's one for cc that allows you to change between gcc, tcc, etc, but none for choosing between gcc versions. (for as long as I can remember...) |
| 17:24.35 | abrotman | fredl: did you install the metapackage? testing/unstable have at least a .30 currently |
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| 17:24.39 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 17:24.40 | Fare | is there an apt source for recent kernels? |
| 17:24.40 | judd | abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 17:24.49 | asg | themill: oh, I seem to remember one for gcc but maybe I'd had a few too many pints at the time ;) |
| 17:24.49 | vivid | hello, i have a fresh install of testing release, but my dns lookup seems to be very slow, whenever using apt or iceweasel i get looking up or connecting to for about 5-10 seconds before anything happens, what could cause this? |
| 17:25.02 | themill | !beer asg |
| 17:25.02 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Bornem Tripple for asg |
| 17:25.07 | themill | asg: maybe it will come back |
| 17:25.15 | jpinx-eeepc | vivid: dns in your router? |
| 17:25.22 | fredl | abrotman - I installed Lenny and then modified /etc/apt/sources.list to have 'unstable' where it said lenny, then apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.22 | asg | themill: either way, one can always add their own ... perhaps that's what I did. |
| 17:25.37 | abrotman | fredl: that was a bad idea .. but anyways.. what's the issue ? |
| 17:25.57 | fredl | why was that a bad idea? the issue is that I still have the 2.6.26 kernel. |
| 17:26.14 | hark | Fare: there's a trunk rc6 kernel if you want to try it out .. /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 17:26.18 | vivid | jpinx-eeepc, not sure what you mean, i am behind a router, but have not had this issue with other installs/OS |
| 17:26.18 | abrotman | fredl: well .. apparently it's a bad idea if you can't even figure out why you have a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 17:26.23 | abrotman | fredl: what is your CPU ? |
| 17:26.36 | fredl | abrotman, Core i7 |
| 17:26.45 | fredl | and it's a 64 bit Lenny install |
| 17:26.54 | ranix | hahaha |
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| 17:27.10 | ranix | unstable is a euphemism for sid, yes? |
| 17:27.17 | asg | s/it's/was/ |
| 17:27.19 | ranix | !unstable |
| 17:27.19 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 17:27.26 | fredl | it's running in a virtual server because I want to catch up again on unstable after years of not doing it. |
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| 17:27.37 | abrotman | fredl: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:27.47 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze |
| 17:27.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 17:27.48 | mederEsite | hehe |
| 17:28.09 | ranix | fredl: are you using Xen? |
| 17:28.13 | fredl | so while it's understandable to get irony if I don't know yet what I'm doing I'd appreciate some restraint. |
| 17:28.21 | fredl | ranix - KVM |
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| 17:29.10 | fredl | abrotman - linux-image-amd64: Depends: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 which is a virtual package. |
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| 17:29.20 | ranix | ah |
| 17:29.44 | abrotman | fredl: aptitude search linux-image .. pick the one you want .. sounds like the metapackage is currently unhappy |
| 17:29.48 | mederEsite | why does 'ps aux | grep bash' return "(standard input)" ? |
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| 17:30.11 | ente | hi |
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| 17:30.41 | ente | I installed terminus and now proggyclean doesn't work anymore |
| 17:30.47 | ente | I think.. terminus is nice |
| 17:30.53 | fredl | hmm well it's installing the 2.6.30 kernel now. Interesting. |
| 17:30.54 | ente | but bold also doesn't work in my urxvt |
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| 17:31.09 | ente | which is definitely not nice |
| 17:32.22 | fredl | god I love how fast my virtual servers reboot. |
| 17:32.55 | fredl | so what's volatile.debian.org and should it be enabled in Sid? |
| 17:33.46 | petemc | fredl: /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 17:33.56 | fredl | tnx petemc |
| 17:34.01 | petemc | np |
| 17:34.02 | dkr | it's for stuff that changes more frequently than stable but is useful to have updated, such as tzdata and virus dbs |
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| 17:34.49 | fredl | sounds fair enough and I guess the implied answer to my question would be 'no you don't need it in unstable' :-) |
| 17:34.57 | dkr | correct. :) |
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| 17:35.03 | fredl | how about security.debian.org, that could also be disabled in Sid right? |
| 17:35.19 | valdyn | fredl: that *should* be disabled |
| 17:35.22 | dkr | there are only security teams for stable and testing I believe |
| 17:35.40 | fredl | valdyn - there's no Packages.gz for Sid though. |
| 17:35.57 | valdyn | fredl: yes |
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| 17:36.25 | fredl | I'm kinda guessing here that Sid is either 'as secure as it gets' or 'totally insanely insecure', depending on which way you look at it :) |
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| 17:37.34 | dkr | yeah, the most recent versions o fsoftware get the security fixes, so no need for backports of the fixes such as those needed for stable |
| 17:37.55 | fredl | *nod* makes sense. |
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| 17:38.44 | fredl | so I'm wondering... lm-sensors couldn't detect any sensors on my mobo. I have had testing installed earlier and there some sensors were detected. Would it also work in a virtual host under KVM? |
| 17:40.03 | valdyn | fredl: why would a virtual machine software virtualise the sensors? |
| 17:40.04 | fredl | well I could imagine that I could 'passthrough' the sensors perhaps? |
| 17:40.23 | fredl | or is that assuming too much of virtualisation? |
| 17:40.35 | valdyn | fredl: i think its useless to pass thru the sensors |
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| 17:41.04 | fredl | well I can't see the sensors in Lenny, which is what I want to keep as my stable base system. |
| 17:41.26 | valdyn | fredl: because the kernel is to old? because you didnt install and configure lm-sensors? |
| 17:41.26 | Titan8990 | why not look at sensors on the host? |
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| 17:41.43 | abrotman | fredl: there is no volatile for unstable |
| 17:42.17 | fredl | valdyn, exactly, but I'm not going to go to an unstable kernel on my stable base just for sensors right? |
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| 17:42.49 | fredl | if I could pass the sensors to the virt, I could still be monitoring the sensors there without affecting my stable base. |
| 17:42.59 | valdyn | fredl: virtualisation cannot fix this, you need drivers on the host system, period |
| 17:43.18 | valdyn | fredl: and since the base system cannot see the sensors theres nothing to pass thru |
| 17:43.36 | fredl | valdyn - VT-d passthrough doesn't apply to sensors then? |
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| 17:44.09 | fredl | just tell the base OS 'leave this hardware alone, give it to virt 1' |
| 17:44.12 | valdyn | fredl: and not to your gfx card and not to anything but your cpu |
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| 17:44.51 | valdyn | oh nm thats direct io thing |
| 17:45.00 | fredl | :-) |
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| 17:45.42 | fredl | well opinions vary on whether VT-d passthrough is good virtualisation practice.... |
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| 17:46.12 | fredl | I guess this is also offtopic though :) |
| 17:46.15 | ente | anyway |
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| 17:46.20 | ente | purge xfonts-terminus worked |
| 17:46.50 | ente | and yeah, that is what one wants. |
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| 17:46.52 | Titan8990 | how can you live w/o fixed width terminus fonts? |
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| 17:47.17 | valdyn | fredl: vt-d seems to just apply to pci-e |
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| 17:47.37 | JoshH | all i need is 7x14 |
| 17:47.47 | correcaminos | hi people... |
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| 17:49.40 | fredl | valdyn - hmm. I should get somewhat involved in the KVM dev team, find it very fascinating, can't wait to passthrough my VGA card as well. |
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| 17:49.57 | fredl | they're working on that right now in Xen/KVM it seems. |
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| 17:51.14 | Titan8990 | xen and kvm are totally different projects |
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| 17:51.42 | asaleem | I have iB libsoap-lite-perl when I do aptitude search libsoap-lite-perl. How do I fix that? |
| 17:51.49 | fredl | Titan8990, explain. |
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| 17:52.14 | Titan8990 | fredl, xen is a open source project by a company called citrix |
| 17:52.17 | asaleem | I have iB libsoap-lite-perl when I do aptitude search libsoap-lite-perl. How do I fix that? |
| 17:52.21 | fredl | how is it so much different? Maybe we can take that to #debian-offtopic :-) |
| 17:52.25 | Titan8990 | fredl, works quite a bit different than other VM solutions |
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| 17:53.36 | Titan8990 | kvm is just a kernel module for increased qemu performance |
| 17:53.54 | valdyn | "just" ? |
| 17:54.34 | abrotman | valdyn: like the engine of your car 'just' makes it go :) |
| 17:54.45 | valdyn | abrotman: of my porsche, yes |
| 17:55.21 | valdyn | !virtio |
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| 17:55.44 | abrotman | valdyn: now now .. no need to brag about your car here :) |
| 17:55.49 | petemc | pfft, porsche - http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/16092009086.jpg |
| 17:56.44 | Titan8990 | valdyn, right it was an over generalization but the objective was to point out that kvm and xen are not xen/kvm |
| 17:57.02 | OpenTokix | petemc: That is a ferrari |
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| 17:57.07 | petemc | yes |
| 17:57.11 | valdyn | Titan8990: i would think virtio is used by both |
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| 17:57.24 | valdyn | Titan8990: though im just guessing there |
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| 17:58.15 | Titan8990 | google indicates only kvm |
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| 17:58.49 | asaleem | I have iB libsoap-lite-perl when I do aptitude search libsoap-lite-perl. How do I fix that? |
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| 17:58.57 | Titan8990 | valdyn, http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2009-02/msg01120.html |
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| 17:59.20 | valdyn | Titan8990: ah, i found that one too, im reading up on it |
| 17:59.46 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 18:00.02 | themill | asaleem: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libsoap-lite-perl; aptitude -f install |
| 18:00.11 | _Trinity_ | say is the backports project at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php affiliated with Debian? |
| 18:00.27 | valdyn | _Trinity_: kind of, yes |
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| 18:00.34 | _Trinity_ | I don't think backports existed back when I used woody |
| 18:00.41 | valdyn | _Trinity_: thats true |
| 18:00.44 | _Trinity_ | so it's trustwrthy? |
| 18:00.49 | valdyn | _Trinity_: yes |
| 18:00.55 | _Trinity_ | I see that it has the latest pidgin |
| 18:01.15 | _Trinity_ | got ot try that |
| 18:01.35 | valdyn | _Trinity_: its supported in this channel, contrary to most 3rd party repositores and chances are backports.org is going to be official part of debian at some point afaik |
| 18:01.51 | asaleem | themill, it is going to remove 48 packages |
| 18:02.12 | themill | asaleem: just say "N" at the moment and pastebin the output then |
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| 18:02.37 | themill | dpkg: tell _Trinity_ about pidgin bpo |
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| 18:03.41 | asaleem | themill, http://pastebin.com/d5887fb2b |
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| 18:05.11 | _Trinity_ | themill: you lost me |
| 18:06.00 | helo | i have lenny on /dev/sda1, and sid on /dev/sdb1... when i boot from /dev/sdb1 into sid, sdb and sda switch, so that /dev/sda1 is mounted on / (but is actually sid on /dev/sdb1) |
| 18:06.20 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 18:06.29 | themill | asaleem: you have 202 packages that seem to need upgrading. Can you pastebin the output of: aptitude search ~U -F"%p %30v %30V" |
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| 18:06.53 | themill | asaleem: err.. make that: aptitude search ~U -F"%p %20v %20V" |
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| 18:08.16 | asaleem | themill, http://pastebin.com/d48151e9b |
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| 18:08.56 | themill | _Trinity_: Summary: pidgin on backports.org is broken... wait a while. |
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| 18:09.36 | Fare | /msg dpkg nvidia then installs the latest drivers. Sigh. |
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| 18:09.57 | themill | asaleem: you seem to have an interesting mixture of sarge and etch on your machine. You really should complete an upgrade to etch before going any further. Follow the release notes for the upgrade procedure: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:10.36 | _Trinity_ | themill: will do. I can wait a day. Thanks |
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| 18:12.13 | themill | it's likely to be more than a day... |
| 18:12.15 | _Trinity_ | it'd e nice if seamonkey or iceape was in backports too, as well as QuteCom and Ekiga |
| 18:12.19 | _Trinity_ | lol |
| 18:13.03 | themill | backporting stuff isn't always easy and testing that it plays nicely with other things is hard. The more you use from backports, the less like "stable" your box becomes and this isn't a good thing. |
| 18:13.24 | _Trinity_ | what about chromium? Has anyone gotten Chromium from a repo ro does one have t compile it to test it on lenny? |
| 18:13.31 | Fare | what good free software videoconferencing is there? |
| 18:13.35 | Titan8990 | _Trinity_, qutecom? different from cutecom? |
| 18:13.44 | dondelelcaro | Fare: ekiga is pretty commonly used |
| 18:13.46 | Titan8990 | Fare, skype? |
| 18:13.49 | stew | things with large numbers of dependencies like ekiga and iceape can be hard to impossible to backport, as well |
| 18:13.50 | _Trinity_ | or the Iron browser with the security fixes |
| 18:13.55 | Fare | will it interoperate with anything windowsy or macy? |
| 18:14.02 | _Trinity_ | QuteCom was WengoPhone |
| 18:14.03 | Fare | Titan8990, skype is not free |
| 18:14.15 | dondelelcaro | Fare: ekiga runs on windows, and I thinkt here's a mac version |
| 18:14.24 | valdyn | _Trinity_: google has repositories |
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| 18:14.42 | dondelelcaro | Fare: it uses the sip standards, though, so it'll interoperate mostly everwhere |
| 18:14.42 | _Trinity_ | nope, no mac version of ekiga |
| 18:14.43 | Titan8990 | Fare, its not free as in open source but it does not cost anything for skype to skype calling/conferencing |
| 18:14.44 | _Trinity_ | there was one based on ekiga |
| 18:14.50 | _Trinity_ | but it's dead |
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| 18:14.54 | _Trinity_ | I never go it to work |
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| 18:15.12 | _Trinity_ | it ws based on ekiga just like adium on Pidgin |
| 18:15.15 | Fare | _Trinity_, is there something on the mac that will interoperate with free software? |
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| 18:15.24 | dondelelcaro | Fare: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F |
| 18:15.31 | _Trinity_ | Fare: voip? |
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| 18:15.52 | freenose | Hi, what app can I use to burn a data disc from the CLI? |
| 18:15.53 | tdn | petemc, we have discussed the possibility to start another sshd instance with custom configuration file. That is not a problem in itself. The problem is, however, to administer and maintain a forked init script, PID-file, etc. for this extra sshd. How would you approach this? |
| 18:15.56 | _Trinity_ | Fare: well, collanos which is also based on wengophone |
| 18:16.01 | dondelelcaro | Fare: so XMeeting, Gizmo, and anything else that does SIP or H 323 should do it |
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| 18:16.19 | _Trinity_ | Fare: yeah, that was it XMeeting. Thta was based on ekiga |
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| 18:16.49 | _Trinity_ | Fare: and there's a java app called SIP Communicator |
| 18:17.05 | _Trinity_ | but that isn't far along, n the windows side of things |
| 18:17.10 | petemc | tdn: i guess you could modify the existing script, or add another one |
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| 18:19.05 | _Trinity_ | on the good sde, and I don't like OS X, is that sometimes these ports work much better. Adium is so stable while there is always problen with Pidgin on what ever distro I use |
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| 18:19.53 | _Trinity_ | XMeeting was a disappointment fir me though |
| 18:19.58 | petemc | tdn: thats a fairly vague answer, but its not soemthing ive done - i only seem to need a second sshd instance temporarily, and rarely at that |
| 18:20.39 | _Trinity_ | is there still a lite version of konqueror kicking around with all the extra kde stuff? |
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| 18:21.05 | EvilGenius | Can someone guide me in install icewm? |
| 18:21.18 | _Trinity_ | iceweasel brings my computer to grind halt |
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| 18:23.00 | _Trinity_ | if only someone updated dillo |
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| 18:23.20 | EvilGenius | Can someone guide me in install icewm? |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | EvilGenius: aptitude install icewm |
| 18:23.44 | jaggz- | how come I restart X but it doesn't seem to take my thinkpad synaptics entry I added to xorg.conf? I don't see it in the log either... |
| 18:24.43 | radoe | jaggz-: how do you restart X? gdm for instance has options to reuse a running X-Server, not starting a new one after logout. |
| 18:25.11 | jaggz- | and there's no server layout section either.. this is new to me |
| 18:25.13 | _Trinity_ | #/etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:25.17 | _Trinity_ | I think |
| 18:25.27 | mederEsite | what can i use to generate a 16 char hash? |
| 18:25.31 | jaggz- | radoe, hmm.. I tried logout then ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:25.38 | jaggz- | meder, not sure.. md5sum ? |
| 18:25.40 | _Trinity_ | yep |
| 18:25.44 | mederEsite | :o |
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| 18:26.00 | starenka | does anybody have intel gm965/960 and can play video while running compiz? I tried UXA, which allows playing video, but cpu goes to 90% and also scrolling in apps is f*cked up, XAA is okay, but videos are just one big black screen :( |
| 18:26.17 | _Trinity_ | you can kill X with the 3 finger salute |
| 18:26.28 | radoe | jaggz-: if ctrl-alt-backspace kills your X, than a new one should be startet. Maybe you did not correctly add your synaptics entries to xorg.conf? |
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| 18:27.22 | jaggz- | I was researching on the later.. trying to figure out what to do to get it working right.. it works as a default mouse but I can't get it to tap properly, and my finger joints aren't liking using the buttons so I have to get tapping working.. |
| 18:27.46 | jaggz- | (it does take a tap as a button click, but not click-drag) |
| 18:27.49 | _Trinity_ | lol!! |
| 18:27.51 | jaggz- | okay, well more research |
| 18:28.19 | jaggz- | what about the Section "ServerLayout" which I don't have in xorg.conf? |
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| 18:28.43 | _Trinity_ | pidgin isn't installabled except for ppc? There's a first!! Good thing I'm running powerpc |
| 18:29.15 | abrotman | don't ask .. |
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| 18:31.05 | tdn | petemc, I can modify the existing script. But the problem is maintaining the fork. I also need to maintain another PID file and so on. |
| 18:31.25 | petemc | tdn: why is that a problem? |
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| 18:33.13 | canaima | hi.. how can i create a redistributable iso from my isntallation? remastersys ? |
| 18:33.35 | asg | canaima: or bootcd |
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| 18:36.08 | _Trinity_ | amsn 9.8 (with audio) would have been a nice addition to lenny backports |
| 18:36.22 | tdn | petemc, how would you do it? |
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| 18:37.14 | tdn | petemc, when the Debian distributed openssh gets updated, the init script may change. How do I make sure that my forked init-script changes as well? |
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| 18:38.48 | jelly-home | tdn: it'll ask you whether to keep your own or use the new one on upgrade |
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| 18:39.54 | ces200 | how can i check debian iso files md5sum ? thanks |
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| 18:40.29 | asg | ces200: md5sum /path/to/debian.iso |
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| 18:44.34 | lindenle2 | Does anyone have a skype that works in amd64? I have tried both the ubuntu version and the i386 debian version and i am having no luck.... |
| 18:45.24 | CodeNinja | where can I check on the status of the next release date for a package php 5 to be specific |
| 18:45.57 | ces200 | asg, Do not have interface for gnome? |
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| 18:46.10 | abrotman | CodeNinja: release date? for stable? |
| 18:46.31 | asg | ces200: gnome-terminal ; md5sum /path/to/debian.iso |
| 18:46.58 | jaggz- | xorg.conf does not contain a serverlayout section: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509580 |
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| 18:47.16 | jaggz- | "This makes using non-default pointer drivers non-trivial. " |
| 18:47.22 | jaggz- | that's my issue.. not sure what to do about it |
| 18:47.33 | CodeNinja | abrotman: yes :) |
| 18:47.33 | themill | add one? |
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| 18:47.54 | CodeNinja | I want to upgrade to 5.3.0 but I don't want to build from source (or end up with a broken system) |
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| 18:48.42 | SteveJones | kernel 1 panic'd :( |
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| 18:51.32 | ebx | Hi, I am using gnome under Debian sid, when I connect my camera, devices is both mounted and also gthumb tries to import photos, but fails because of previous automounting |
| 18:51.34 | ebx | how to fix it? |
| 18:51.41 | jaggz- | okay.. going to restart X |
| 18:51.46 | jaggz- | wish me luck |
| 18:51.52 | macrobat | gl;hf |
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| 18:53.59 | __lilibox | hi |
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| 18:55.43 | macrobat | CodeNinja: maybe you can look at the changelog and extrapolate an educated guess for release dates http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3/changelog |
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| 18:56.02 | CodeNinja | :( 5.2.6 though |
| 18:56.58 | macrobat | php5 in experimental: 5.3.0-3 |
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| 18:57.45 | macrobat | hi __lilibox |
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| 18:59.01 | spvensko | what is the default user for apache2? |
| 18:59.07 | tdn | jelly-home, no. |
| 18:59.22 | spvensko | for example, if i am trying to set up a password file, what user should i give access to it so that apache can reference it? |
| 18:59.31 | Titan8990 | spvensko, www-data |
| 18:59.32 | rudi_s_ | spvensko: www-data |
| 18:59.35 | spvensko | ty |
| 18:59.37 | Titan8990 | i win |
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| 18:59.45 | tdn | jelly-home, how would it know that I forked the init-script? How would it know where to look for it? |
| 18:59.47 | rudi_s_ | Hehe. |
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| 19:03.07 | BlueG | how can I just get a list of a packages build deps? |
| 19:03.26 | stew | BlueG: apt-cache showsrc packagename |
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| 19:04.31 | jaggz- | how do i debug mouse buttons? now my left-click does a double-click, and my right click.. behaves differently somehow |
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| 19:05.53 | clarjon1 | jaggz-: xev? |
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| 19:06.58 | jaggz- | cool thanks.. yeah it's sending out two presses followed by two release events |
| 19:07.15 | clarjon1 | jaggz-: what kind of mouse? |
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| 19:09.12 | jaggz- | some generic microsoft mouse with scrollwheel |
| 19:09.54 | edju | Trying to set opendns. I have ATT Uverse, using a 2wire router (gateway) which doesn't allow setting the dns. So, I edited etc/resolv.conf, but it always after a time goes back to 192.168.1.254 - that's the router. I don't know why that happens. How to solve this? |
| 19:09.56 | jaggz- | it started happening after I added an xorg.conf section for my thinkpad's touchpad, and a serverlayout to match |
| 19:10.19 | jaggz- | edju, maybe something in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:10.35 | jaggz- | your dhcp stuff can also edit resolv.conf |
| 19:11.05 | abrotman | !tell edju about fixresolvconf |
| 19:11.52 | edju | abrotman, Thanks! Will do. |
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| 19:13.06 | Titan8990 | alright so I have two network interfaces.... one is 10.10.10.0/24 and the other is 192.168.1.0/24. I bring down the 192.168.1.0 interface and then add a route that tells the 10.10.10.0 interface how to get to 192.168.1.0 via a gateway on the 10.10.10.0/24 network |
| 19:13.36 | Titan8990 | how is it still getting this if my 192.168.1.0/24 network interface is down? Starting Nmap 4.62 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-09-22 15:11 EDT pcap_open_live(eth0, 100, 0, 200) FAILED. Reported error: bind: Network is down. Will wait 5 seconds then retry. |
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| 19:14.04 | Titan8990 | it still wants to use the interface i brought down... nothing looks wrong with the routing table |
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| 19:15.13 | asg | Titan8990: does nmap -e eth1 .... do the desired thing? |
| 19:15.13 | jelly-home | tdn: the packaging system tracks its own config files, and most init scripts are tagged as conffiles |
| 19:15.38 | hacker_kid | something is closing my ftp sessions before i can eve log in, iptables is allowing everything, i cant seem to find what is closing the sessions. the port is open |
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| 19:16.47 | asg | hacker_kid: maybe tcpwrappers |
| 19:16.51 | Titan8990 | asg, yes... but still odd |
| 19:17.17 | Titan8990 | asg, it will default to eth1 with any other network I scan except for the network that eth0 was on before being brought down |
| 19:17.38 | asg | Titan8990: oh, that is interesting |
| 19:17.45 | hacker_kid | asg, never even heard of it, it shouldnt be installed. any quick checks to see if thats the problem? |
| 19:17.53 | Titan8990 | asg, actually, maybe not? its failing to ping the host but I can ping it just fine using the ping command |
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| 19:18.44 | Titan8990 | and now its working... yay for consistency |
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| 19:19.23 | hipodilski | hi guys is there a way to list all the available metapackages for install in Debian? |
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| 19:19.55 | Titan8990 | hipodilski, taskel might be what your looking for |
| 19:20.06 | asg | hacker_kid: man hosts.allow, man hosts.deny. If your ftpd is compiled with tcp wrapper support and the server has a conservative tcpwrappers config, that may be the issue. |
| 19:20.20 | Titan8990 | hipodilski, sorry, tasksel |
| 19:20.30 | abrotman | tasksel doesn't do metapackages |
| 19:20.44 | Titan8990 | package groups? |
| 19:20.50 | hacker_kid | asg, possibly it is proftpd |
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| 19:21.54 | abrotman | debtags search role::metapackage .. if it's been tagged correctly |
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| 19:22.00 | Titan8990 | well, the man page says "tasks" but I am unable to find a clear definition of a task |
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| 19:24.09 | hipodilski | so is there a way to fix all the available metapackages for install or not? |
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| 19:25.16 | abrotman | hipodilski: fix ? |
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| 19:26.23 | Titan8990 | abrotman, they are not all tagged correctly |
| 19:26.32 | abrotman | i'm sure they aren't |
| 19:26.33 | Titan8990 | emacs21 for example is a metapackage whereas emacs22 is not |
| 19:26.49 | Titan8990 | or tagged as such |
| 19:26.52 | abrotman | in which version of debian ? |
| 19:26.56 | Titan8990 | lenny |
| 19:27.04 | abrotman | judd: versions emacs22 |
| 19:27.05 | judd | abrotman: emacs22 -- lenny: 22.2+2-5 sid: 22.3+1-1.1 squeeze: 22.3+1-1.1 |
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| 19:27.11 | abrotman | oh .. just the tags |
| 19:27.25 | tdn | jelly-home, the problem in this case is that it is not the package's own config file but a forked one. |
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| 19:27.50 | abrotman | Titan8990: i'd argue neither is a metapackage .. the install size is huge |
| 19:28.15 | Titan8990 | abrotman, they kind of are because they depend on all the variations of emacs |
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| 19:28.41 | Titan8990 | abrotman, emacs22-bin-common will give me the emacs text editor |
| 19:28.52 | abrotman | Titan8990: AIUI .. the idea of the metapackage is that is basically an empty package that depends on other items .. not a real package |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | the emacs21 clearly has stuff in it |
| 19:29.07 | asg | would question whether 'all the variations of emacs' even fits in a finite space |
| 19:29.10 | Titan8990 | abrotman, but emacs22 will give me that, emacs-nox, gtk support and etc |
| 19:29.25 | abrotman | which is why i said i didn't think either should be a meta package |
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| 19:30.21 | dondelelcaro | generally speaking, if a package isn't Arch: all, it's not a metapackage |
| 19:31.18 | dondelelcaro | (but such distinctions aren't really necessary; there's no real difference between a metapackage and a real package) |
| 19:32.15 | jetscreamer | except level of cruft :) |
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| 19:32.44 | djahandarie | I updated to grub2 and it's chainloading through the older version of grub |
| 19:33.00 | djahandarie | I remember the was a script for switching it, but I don't remember the name |
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| 19:33.03 | djahandarie | Could anyone help? |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there's nothing in policy about the contents/role of a metapackage ? |
| 19:33.46 | paxcoder | what's up with the new font of the tty's that loads while booting? Why did we switch to that? |
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| 19:33.51 | jetscreamer | it's documented iirc, djahandarie |
| 19:34.06 | abrotman | paxcoder: IIRC console-setup asked you about which font you wanted |
| 19:34.07 | jetscreamer | check the menu.lst or whatever it uses, and man maybe |
| 19:34.28 | jetscreamer | not sure though |
| 19:34.34 | paxcoder | abrotman: you mean during update? |
| 19:34.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:35.12 | paxcoder | I don't remember that... But my question is why would this change be default? |
| 19:35.26 | abrotman | it asked you which font you wanted |
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| 19:35.42 | jetscreamer | didn't ask when they changed the font from woody |
| 19:35.53 | paxcoder | well I wish I saw that because I don't want it changed. |
| 19:36.06 | paxcoder | AFAIK I didn't change the font |
| 19:36.20 | jetscreamer | iirc they/it didn't ask this time either |
| 19:36.24 | paxcoder | The new font lacks my language's chars. Dumb... |
| 19:36.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it asked me |
| 19:36.35 | jetscreamer | just dpkg-reconfigure console-data i think.. console something |
| 19:36.50 | Woodi | paxcoder: maybe you ask about "blink" during booting - it is switching console to framebufer to allow use unicade |
| 19:37.27 | paxcoder | abrotman: is there a way to change back the font? I cant see "console-setup". |
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| 19:37.38 | abrotman | it's a package, not a program |
| 19:37.42 | jetscreamer | you have to install console-setup iirc |
| 19:37.51 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 19:37.52 | paxcoder | well then that's not the issue. |
| 19:38.02 | paxcoder | :-/ |
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| 19:38.32 | jetscreamer | no, that would be the thing that allows you to change it back (iirc i forget been a few months) |
| 19:39.21 | hark | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 19:40.54 | jetscreamer | what he said i'm sure |
| 19:41.03 | hark | djahandarie: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 19:41.03 | paxcoder | trying. |
| 19:41.21 | djahandarie | hark, yeah, just discovered I was typing update- . Thanks |
| 19:41.28 | jetscreamer | i think it was a vga font before |
| 19:42.01 | paxcoder | there's a "do not change the boot font", I think I'll try that |
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| 19:42.19 | paxcoder | this one was called "fixed" |
| 19:43.15 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of a benchmark comparing the speed of dash to bash? |
| 19:43.38 | kingsley | I found a quote claiming that dash "is insanely faster, especially for huge shell scripts". |
| 19:43.48 | adb | kingsley, good google question |
| 19:43.51 | paxcoder | jetscreamer: djahandarie: abrotman: thanks. will reboot now i guess. |
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| 19:44.55 | kingsley | adb: I agree, and searched google's indices, without result. |
| 19:45.25 | abrotman | kingsley: ISTR somethign on planet |
| 19:45.34 | mhall | Hello all... I am looking for a very simple Debian package for firewall testing that creates a whole bunch of TCP connections and transfers data across them. I am having a hard time finding anything which seems right. It would need to be able to make them between two NICs so I could put one on each side of the firewall. |
| 19:46.16 | rpaulson | are all packages in the default debian repository signed? so I'm not risking a mitm attack when I'm downloading packages? |
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| 19:47.01 | Woodi | mhall: but packet forwarding work betwin that NICs ? |
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| 19:47.36 | abrotman | tcpreplay ? |
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| 19:48.36 | hipodilski | abrotman: I ment list |
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| 19:48.37 | hipodilski | not fix |
| 19:48.47 | little_owl | Hello please, how to install manual pages for the default gcc compiler? gcc-doc is some virtual package and gcc-4.3-doc doesn't exist in repositories |
| 19:48.52 | abrotman | debtags search role::metapackage .. if it's been tagged correctly |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | little_owl: gcc docs are in non-free |
| 19:49.07 | themill | judd versions gcc-4.3-doc |
| 19:49.07 | judd | themill: gcc-4.3-doc -- lenny/non-free: 4.3.2.nf1-1 sid/non-free: 4.3.2.nf1-1 squeeze/non-free: 4.3.2.nf1-1 |
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| 19:49.28 | little_owl | Thanks for hints. |
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| 19:50.05 | themill | kingsley: I just did a fairly contrived looping/maths test. dash: 11s. bash: 51s. It's easy enough to test this yourself on whatever workloads you are running. |
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| 19:52.32 | kingsley | themill: That's interesting. Unless you or I are mistaken, your quick and dirty benchmark suggests to me that at least part of dash is 364% faster than bash. |
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| 19:52.58 | Woodi | :> |
| 19:54.09 | starenka_ | hi all. how can i determine form which repo is a package installed, and how to downgrade it? i got really shitty scrolling performance after xserver-* updates (possibly form backports - i use pinning) |
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| 19:54.28 | themill | kingsley: I understand that it's fairly well accepted that this is the case. If your workload is IO bound of course then it's not going to change things at all... but longer scripts that do lots of thrashing about are likely to benefit. Since most shell scripts only execute for a few seconds anyway, the gains are minimal except perhaps at boot time. |
| 19:54.35 | starenka_ | knows pinning whole backports is bad and repents |
| 19:54.53 | kingsley | themill: I have several big scripts that could be sped up. Do you happen to know if the dash package's install script lets you choose whether or not to make it the default /bin/sh? Like you, I'd like to test dash, ideally without risking breaking scripts. I'd like to be able to simply put "#!/bin/dash" at the top of test scripts. |
| 19:56.23 | pngwn | !vmware |
| 19:56.23 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 19:56.28 | pngwn | sorry |
| 19:56.47 | themill | kingsley: You can "dpkg-reconfigure dash" right now but unless you're running lenny or squeeze that's possibly not advisable. But yeah, you can stick that shebang line in scripts right now and try it out. |
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| 19:57.00 | themill | kingsley: err..... s/lenny/sid/ |
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| 20:03.10 | mhall | Woodi: well, i work on a product which involves a proprietary kernel module from somebody else which does firewalling |
| 20:03.28 | mhall | Woodi: the module appears to have a memory leak which makes the kernel crash so badly, it cannot produce a core file |
| 20:03.43 | mhall | Woodi: so i have to simulate the conditions and catch it before the crash |
| 20:03.49 | mhall | Woodi: then try to figure out the cause of the leak |
| 20:04.12 | Woodi | coredumping in linux is turned off by default i think |
| 20:04.14 | mhall | abrotman: i already tried tcpreplay but the capture of the customer's traffic did not seem to crash the device when replayed |
| 20:04.36 | mhall | abrotman: i think the reason could be that there are only a limited number of flows from a limited set of IPs |
| 20:04.51 | mhall | abrotman: and the crash only appears when there are a wide range of flows from a wide range of IPs |
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| 20:05.20 | mhall | abrotman: so i'm hoping for something which could generate a whole ton of sockets and transfer a little data back and forth |
| 20:05.28 | mhall | abrotman: maybe an http or ftp simulator |
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| 20:06.04 | Woodi | mhall: i liked arno's firewall script |
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| 20:06.27 | Woodi | dunno which version is in debian, but it is |
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| 20:06.39 | lxsameer | where can i find some information about apt internal and how does it work? |
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| 20:07.29 | themill | lxsameer: the source is the authoritative location... |
| 20:07.52 | abrotman | mhall: ab ? |
| 20:08.09 | mhall | Woodi: even with core files enabled, still no core file |
| 20:08.17 | mhall | Woodi: this damages the kernel so badly it cannot make one |
| 20:08.23 | lxsameer | themill: where is the source |
| 20:08.43 | mhall | Woodi: do you happen to recall the package name for this script? |
| 20:08.45 | jaggz- | wait a sec.. what does xorg.conf have to do with my external usb mouse anyway? |
| 20:09.16 | themill | lxsameer: the man page for apt-get tells me there's an "apt-get source" command |
| 20:09.19 | mhall | abrotman: is 'ab' a package name? aptitude show ab does not return anything |
| 20:09.20 | Woodi | operating system kernel debugging is not like application.... probably normal coredumping do not work |
| 20:09.21 | jaggz- | this mouse is behaving so strange.. :( |
| 20:09.37 | mhall | Woodi: yes, i am aware of that, we enabled kernel core dumping |
| 20:09.45 | mhall | Woodi: normally when our kernel crashes we get on |
| 20:09.48 | mhall | get one* |
| 20:09.56 | mhall | Woodi: but this crash is so bad it did not generate any |
| 20:10.15 | jaggz- | when I move it, the gaim arrows on the tabs move, no matter where I am on the screen (like when you click-drag a tab.. to show the would-be new position) |
| 20:10.29 | abrotman | mhall: it's a program .. apache bench |
| 20:10.37 | mhall | abrotman: ah... let me have a look |
| 20:10.56 | Woodi | mhall: so you need some firewall tool for kernel module debugging ? it little hard ro me |
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| 20:11.39 | jaggz- | how does X11 handle "new" mice, plugged into USB? |
| 20:11.50 | jaggz- | (I see the mouse in var/log/messages |
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| 20:12.09 | jaggz- | but it has no entry of its own in xorg.conf (unless it's being confused with some other device) |
| 20:12.16 | mhall | Woodi: no, we are debugging a firewall kernel module |
| 20:12.26 | mhall | Woodi: so it only crashes if you process many connections |
| 20:12.32 | mhall | Woodi: so we need a connection generator |
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| 20:12.51 | Woodi | mhall: ah, now i get it |
| 20:13.04 | jaggz- | oh yeah, it is.. it's going in as /dev/mouse0 .. that's what I had the trackpoint set to.. |
| 20:13.15 | jaggz- | how can I stabilize my mouse device names? |
| 20:13.26 | Woodi | mhall: someone sugest tcpreplay before, but do not know it can produce havy load... |
| 20:13.44 | a-l-e | hi, in debian testing, i'm "xmodmap .xmodmap"-ing to modify the default layout of the keyboard... since yesterday's x11 update it doesn't work anymore. any idea? |
| 20:13.57 | mhall | Woodi: only works if you have a recording of a capture file of heavy load |
| 20:14.03 | mhall | Woodi: which i don't really have |
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| 20:14.55 | Woodi | mhall: so you can try to test load on your apache on that host using ab, as abrotman sugests |
| 20:15.04 | negge | I just reinstalled Lenny on my EeepC (model 701). Everything's great but suspend/hibernate doesn't work, and I mean not at all. When I put it suspend mode it beeps and I get a popup saying the computer failed to go to sleep. In the syslog there's first a line saying "Suspending computer", then instantly after that there's one sayign "Resuming computer" and finally "suspend failed". What can I do ? |
| 20:15.23 | a-l-e | the whole system is slower and x11 is using 20%+ of the cpu... |
| 20:15.27 | Woodi | mhall: do you have additional machine to generate load ? |
| 20:15.44 | Woodi | or it must be generated on tested mahine ? |
| 20:15.49 | abrotman | mhall: ab can genrate a pile of network traffic ... won't really load the machine up once the page is cached |
| 20:16.12 | paxcoder | hark: thanks it worked. |
| 20:16.30 | Woodi | test one dynamic generated page :) |
| 20:17.07 | Woodi | or just wget something big from ftp |
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| 20:17.13 | jelly-home | tdn: dpkg will only overwrite a conffile if it was unchanged. If you made changes, the upgrade will ask what to do. This is basic dpkg functionality and it has worked like this since forever. |
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| 20:17.37 | jelly-home | tdn: the default is to keep user's changes |
| 20:17.41 | a-l-e | mmmh... i did something wrong with the xmodmap... but the system is still very unresponsive... i guess i'll try to reboot |
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| 20:18.34 | paxcoder | For future reference if anyone cares [with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup] "Do not change the boot/kernel font" is not "don't let the kernel change it", but instead "leave it at what it is now" |
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| 20:19.05 | Lanz | Hi |
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| 20:19.17 | Lanz | I'm getting an error while using telnet to connect to mldonkey |
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| 20:19.34 | Lanz | The error is: Telnet connection from 127.0.0.1 rejected (see allowed_ips setting) |
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| 20:19.49 | Lanz | Can anyone help me? |
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| 20:20.24 | Woodi | Lanz: check mldonkey server config and enable telnet |
| 20:20.35 | Lanz | Woodi: how do I do that? |
| 20:20.48 | Lanz | I've been googling with no success |
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| 20:21.09 | buntfalke | hi |
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| 20:21.18 | buntfalke | How often is the archived synched with incoming? |
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| 20:21.21 | Woodi | Lanz: you installed mldonkey on your account or it is on someone account ? |
| 20:21.36 | buntfalke | Is it a fixed and specified number of hours? or just randomly somewhere less than one day? |
| 20:21.41 | Lanz | Woodi: on my account |
| 20:22.00 | jelly-home | tdn: if /etc/init.d/ssh isn't in openssh-server package conffile list (/var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.conffiles), you can use dpkg-divert to make dpkg not touch the file on upgrades. |
| 20:22.10 | Woodi | Lanz: then look in config files or maybe in kind of gui |
| 20:22.59 | a-l-e | top stills shows 20%+ of cpu for X11... |
| 20:23.03 | Lanz | Woodi: where are the config files for mldonkey stored? |
| 20:23.19 | a-l-e | and everything is slow |
| 20:25.17 | a-l-e | btw, xorg is at 20% when i do nothing. when typing those lines it its between 70% and 100% |
| 20:26.12 | jaggz- | http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes |
| 20:26.15 | Woodi | Lanz: in installation directory or somehhere in $HOME/.ml* |
| 20:26.29 | Lanz | Woodi: alright |
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| 20:27.16 | Woodi | a-l-e: what gfx card you have ? |
| 20:28.00 | a-l-e | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:28.00 | a-l-e | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:28.24 | nader | Hey, I'm searching for good DVB player for budget cards... what's your suggestion ? I don't like kaffeine |
| 20:28.25 | Woodi | a-l-e: and what window manager you use ? |
| 20:28.38 | a-l-e | Woodi: it's an eeepc 1000H with wmii |
| 20:29.02 | a-l-e | it was very very fast until yesterday evening :-( |
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| 20:31.22 | Woodi | a-l-e: yesterday you updated something ? |
| 20:31.52 | a-l-e | Woodi: yes... i'm looking for a log... |
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| 20:32.42 | solars | does anyone know a console jabber+irc client other than irssi easily scriptable from outside? |
| 20:32.56 | a-l-e | Woodi: the most important may be: |
| 20:32.58 | a-l-e | [UPGRADE] xserver-xorg 1:7.3+20 -> 1:7.4+4 |
| 20:33.02 | mederEsite | solars: what's wrong with irssi? |
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| 20:33.27 | solars | mederEsite, just curious about alternatives :) |
| 20:33.41 | mederEsite | weechat is one i know of |
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| 20:33.57 | sylecn | I have package conflict when doing a aptitude safe-upgrade. The output message is here http://pastebin.com/f43fb680b how to fix it? |
| 20:34.13 | solars | mederEsite, thx |
| 20:34.39 | Woodi | a-l-e: probably new xserver do not have drivers for 945GM installed or configured |
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| 20:35.31 | helo | wonders why /etc/fstab just says, "# UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM" |
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| 20:35.51 | a-l-e | Woodi: well yes... i guess i should look in that direction... |
| 20:35.58 | avu | helo, installed via (c)debootstrap and forgot to set it up afterwards? |
| 20:36.36 | helo | avu: i just installed from a usb img |
| 20:36.48 | avu | helo, using d-i? |
| 20:36.57 | Woodi | a-l-e: xserver have hw discovery mode or additional app which write config for you |
| 20:37.17 | helo | not explicitly... i just booted the usb image and ran the installer |
| 20:37.46 | __lilibox | what is more secure SSL or SSH? |
| 20:37.56 | a-l-e | i'm loooking for something like this... |
| 20:38.12 | a-l-e | Woodi: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg diddn't give any feedback |
| 20:39.02 | Woodi | something like xserver --configure, check man pages |
| 20:39.12 | helo | avu: is there something i need to finalize the configuration? |
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| 20:39.19 | Woodi | or xconfig or xf86config... |
| 20:39.37 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.44 | Woodi | oo :) |
| 20:40.20 | Woodi | it write config to your current directory, put it in /etc/X11something |
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| 20:40.48 | adb | or X -configure:1 |
| 20:40.56 | a-l-e | ok, i'll have to restart X1 for that... |
| 20:41.01 | avu | helo, no, if you ran d-i normally (ie not in expert mode), I don't think there should be a way to get around a fstab being created for you |
| 20:41.30 | Woodi | a-l-e: btw. why you do not use console only ? :) |
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| 20:41.53 | Woodi | sory, some anarchy.. |
| 20:42.26 | a-l-e | Woodi: well, i like the mouse from time to time... |
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| 20:42.39 | a-l-e | and i do some graphics work, too :-) |
| 20:42.52 | Woodi | damn, work... |
| 20:43.10 | a-l-e | ok, rebooting X |
| 20:43.12 | Woodi | i must finish VS2008 project :) |
| 20:43.15 | Woodi | gl |
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| 20:43.58 | dec3pti0n | what does ri mean on a dpkg list ? |
| 20:44.26 | dondelelcaro | dec3pti0n: you requested it to be removed, and it's currently installed |
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| 20:44.37 | dondelelcaro | dec3pti0n: see the headers of the dpkg -l output |
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| 20:45.37 | jelly-home | it took me something like 10 years to figure out the meaning of those first few lines in dpkg -l output |
| 20:46.15 | mederEsite | lol. |
| 20:46.19 | a-l-e | Woodi: good luck! |
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| 20:46.42 | SteveJones | guys: when im building my custom kernel and want to tweak something , do i not have to do a make-kpkg clean and start all over? |
| 20:46.47 | SteveJones | the compile takes forever on this dinosaur |
| 20:46.48 | a-l-e | ... X -configure didn't solve the problem :-( |
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| 20:47.12 | ugly | after a recent upgrade on testing, it seems my .Xdefaults file is ignored by gdm after logging in - any idea why? (I have to xrdb -merge .Xdefaults by hand) |
| 20:47.24 | jelly-home | SteveJones: you don't have to build kernels on the same machine that's going to use them, y'know |
| 20:47.28 | Woodi | a-l-e: you started X with new configurtion ? |
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| 20:47.40 | ugly | everything is as I want it except the font |
| 20:47.52 | SteveJones | jelly-home: this is a test box |
| 20:47.57 | ugly | (urxvt) |
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| 20:48.48 | jelly-home | ugly: if you rename or symlink it to .Xresources, is it better? |
| 20:48.58 | a-l-e | Woodi: i restarted x... i hope, with the new version! |
| 20:49.00 | ugly | I'll try it |
| 20:49.04 | simonrvn | ugly: ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources |
| 20:49.06 | xeon-enouf | 16:23 < hark> xeon-enouf: you must not be using snd-hda-intel <--No, i am not; i gave up on Audio on this debootstrapped squeeze->sid upgrade .. besides, pr0n seems much more appealing without horrible audio and stupid bozos talking or overdubs ;-) Thanks for the 3 links you pasted thereafter ;-) |
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| 20:49.30 | Woodi | a-l-e: X - configure do not put new config into /etc/ automatically... |
| 20:50.13 | ugly | that worked, thank you sirs |
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| 20:50.38 | SteveJones | right now dpkg -l| is truncating the full pkg name, what could i do to see the full name |
| 20:51.02 | a_l_e | mmmh... Woodi, is there a way to startx with a specific conf file? |
| 20:51.18 | Woodi | man X |
| 20:51.19 | jelly-home | SteveJones: which debian release? Older ones need COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ... |
| 20:51.32 | SteveJones | jelly ty testing |
| 20:52.04 | xeon-enouf | hark: heh - maybe it is{i am} using snd_hda_intel |
| 20:52.06 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.12 | jelly-home | SteveJones: newer ones should figure out the output is not a tty and resize the columns, dunno why that's not happening for you |
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| 20:53.02 | xeon-enouf | hark: again .. i'm away from keyboard - thanks for the info -- bbl |
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| 20:53.47 | a_l_e | Woodi: i replaced the xorg.conf file but it didn't change much |
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| 20:54.33 | Woodi | a_l_e: do you have yesterdays onfig yet ? |
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| 20:54.52 | Woodi | a_l_e: that used before upgrade ? |
| 20:56.15 | a_l_e | Woodi: i've replaced the old conf file (after backuping it up) with the one i just create with X -configure... |
| 20:56.27 | a_l_e | ... but i may have found the problem: |
| 20:56.48 | adb | To test the server, run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new' |
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| 20:58.54 | a_l_e | i've "startx 2> error.txt" and i got the following error: http://ideeale.free.fr/tmp/xorg_error.txt |
| 20:58.56 | hackman127 | Using exim, how can I default the message ID? I beep bouncing legit emails because they do not have one. |
| 20:59.40 | hackman127 | huh... /beep/keep/ :) |
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| 21:00.01 | a_l_e | and i still have the kernel 2.6.26 |
| 21:00.14 | petemc | hackman127: what does default mean in that context? |
| 21:00.56 | a_l_e | (because with 2.6.30 the sleep mode doesn't work...) |
| 21:01.04 | a_l_e | ok, i tree to reboot in 2.6.30... |
| 21:01.08 | a_l_e | till later |
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| 21:01.32 | Woodi | it says .28 |
| 21:01.42 | hackman127 | petemc, I saw a configuration var that would have exim automatically generate one, `message_id_header_text = `, but I have no idea where to put it or how to use it. |
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| 21:02.47 | petemc | hackman127: you shouldnt need to do anything - what exact problem are you having? |
| 21:03.51 | hackman127 | petemc, I have email from the likes of Yahoo and Microsoft that keep getting bounced. The logs say: "rejected after DATA: Message SHOULD have Message-ID: but does not" |
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| 21:04.00 | Userland | hi |
| 21:04.16 | petemc | hackman127: are the messages generated locally? |
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| 21:04.25 | a-l-e | Woodi: ok, with 2.6.30 x11 works correctly again! |
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| 21:05.12 | a-l-e | my problem is not 100% solved (now i can't use the sleep modus... and i really need it!) but at least i can work again! |
| 21:05.16 | hackman127 | petemc, No, they are incoming messages from yahoo. When I try to verify one of my email addresses with Yahoo, the verification email gets bounced for that reason. |
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| 21:06.07 | a-l-e | now i only have to learn how to debug my wireless card / grafic card! |
| 21:06.08 | a-l-e | :-( |
| 21:06.09 | petemc | hackman127: so you're using callouts for verifying? |
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| 21:06.40 | hackman127 | petemc, Not sure what you are asking. |
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| 21:07.18 | webPragmatist | is it a debian thing to throw dumb configs in httpd.... what's with this javascript-common.conf symlink ? heh |
| 21:07.34 | petemc | im equally confused - yahoo are sending you mail? and you're verifying the sending address by doing a callout back to yahoo? |
| 21:09.05 | themill | webPragmatist: see the javascript-common package |
| 21:09.22 | hackman127 | petemc, I have my domain hosted on my server. For Yahoo Groups to send mail to my address, Yahoo has to first verify that I own it, so they send me an email that I have to click a link in to say that I own it. The email that Yahoo is sending me is getting bounced for not having a message id. |
| 21:09.33 | Woodi | a-l-e: laptop producents usually do not support linux well... |
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| 21:10.06 | Woodi | a-l-e: they just try to stays with default kernel as long as possible |
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| 21:10.23 | Woodi | at and community only left.. |
| 21:10.31 | simonrvn | "producers" |
| 21:10.49 | petemc | hackman127: ok, so its you doing the bouncing? so you have an acl that checks for a message id and rejects the mail if it doesnt have one - remove that acl, it will reject legitimate mail |
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| 21:10.51 | webPragmatist | themill: hrmm.... jquery.... really |
| 21:10.54 | Woodi | ok, producers :) |
| 21:10.55 | webPragmatist | bleh |
| 21:11.06 | themill | webPragmatist: umm... not just. |
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| 21:11.25 | Woodi | a-l-e: so it is important to buy popular laptops :) |
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| 21:11.38 | a-l-e | Woodi: well, this laptop was (also) sold with linux... |
| 21:11.47 | hackman127 | petemc, That is correct, but I'm not sure where I need to disable that check at. :-/ |
| 21:11.50 | a-l-e | it's a really popular one (eee pc 1000 H) |
| 21:11.54 | webPragmatist | themill: while we are on the subject... is there a panel for apache that debian ships with |
| 21:12.00 | themill | webPragmatist: "apt-cache rdepends javascript-common" |
| 21:12.04 | themill | panel? |
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| 21:12.23 | petemc | hackman127: how did you configure exi? |
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| 21:12.40 | webPragmatist | themill: ya really just to manage the virtualhosts.... just curious if something came along... |
| 21:12.41 | petemc | exim |
| 21:12.58 | themill | webPragmatist: nfc. I tend to use vim. |
| 21:13.13 | webPragmatist | themill: nano here :P |
| 21:13.32 | simonrvn | a panel to edit a web server conf? *shudder* |
| 21:13.46 | hackman127 | petemc, Running a lot of defaults |
| 21:14.13 | a-l-e | Woodi: since the problem came with the new kernel and the new way to load the wireless card (using a firmware instead of the driver), i guess that the problems come from there... but i'm not sure, and i don't know any way to test it |
| 21:14.21 | webPragmatist | simonrvn: you mean applications can't read and write to config files... |
| 21:14.44 | petemc | hackman127: what does that mean? |
| 21:14.45 | webPragmatist | themill: who maintains these |
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| 21:15.09 | a-l-e | (i can close the lid and the laptop goest to sleep, i can reopen it and (after a longer time) it wakes up. i close it again it doesn't go to sleep anymore and when i open it doesn't react) |
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| 21:15.32 | simonrvn | webPragmatist: what? |
| 21:15.32 | webPragmatist | a-l-e lol that reminds me of something |
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| 21:15.53 | webPragmatist | simonrvn: your shudder, is, quite frankly, silly |
| 21:16.07 | Woodi | a-l-e: manufacturer kernel was customised, new is "general"... |
| 21:16.47 | hackman127 | petemc, I didn't add in a specific acl for that, if that's what you are asking. The acl/00_exim4-config_header file actually has nothing in it but comments and "begin acl" |
| 21:16.59 | Woodi | as i say, manufacturers left upgrades for community, no support, just new model to sell.. |
| 21:17.08 | a-l-e | mmh, i may have found something... |
| 21:17.12 | a-l-e | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/376577 |
| 21:17.27 | petemc | hackman127: exim4 -bV , which config file are you using? |
| 21:17.35 | simonrvn | webPragmatist: i'd appreciate you not diminishing my emotions, and keep that sort of comment to yourself. |
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| 21:17.54 | hackman127 | petemc, /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
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| 21:18.34 | themill | webPragmatist: cute frontends successfully editing and not completely screwing up hand-written config files is still pretty rare, unfortunately. |
| 21:18.35 | petemc | hackman127: i guess grep in conf.d/acl/ for Message-ID , that seems like a silly thing for debian to have on by default |
| 21:18.50 | Woodi | webPragmatist: do you like red wine or whisky ? |
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| 21:19.27 | simonrvn | Woodi: that's the case for everything. you live in a throw-away society |
| 21:19.41 | hackman127 | I've tried that already. I've recursively grepped the whole config dir and found nothing. |
| 21:19.44 | simonrvn | </ot> |
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| 21:20.02 | petemc | hackman127: and if you look in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated ? |
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| 21:21.09 | a-l-e | Woodi: there seems to be a driver by ralink for it... |
| 21:21.13 | SteveJones | ok so my kernel panic'd again |
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| 21:21.33 | SteveJones | it's complaining about the root=/dev/sda1 but , i installed all the i20 raid /scsi stuff into this kernel |
| 21:21.39 | Woodi | a-l-e: usaully module in kernel |
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| 21:22.03 | hackman127 | petemc, The autogenerated has a command to drop it. |
| 21:22.08 | SteveJones | the controller is an adaptec smartraid V controller |
| 21:22.16 | webPragmatist | themill: I don't agree to that issue... |
| 21:22.24 | hackman127 | petemc, I'm not sure where it's getting the instruction to add that into the auto generated config. |
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| 21:22.42 | webPragmatist | programs have been writing to configuration files for decades without the technological world crashing |
| 21:22.43 | km | can someone explain what is rule does? iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d 10.22.17.3 --dport 7080 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:7080 |
| 21:23.13 | km | tell it to forward incoming request to 10.22.17.3 on port 7080 to localhost address on 7080? |
| 21:23.18 | webPragmatist | yep |
| 21:23.22 | SteveJones | all teh I20 device support is built in |
| 21:23.28 | webPragmatist | km: you got it |
| 21:23.28 | km | thanks |
| 21:23.34 | simonrvn | webPragmatist: yeh, like nano, vim, emacs, .... what's wrong with an ssh connection and an editor? nothing. |
| 21:23.43 | stew | km: not specifically incomming, any packet destined for 10.22.17.3 |
| 21:23.48 | stew | *incoming |
| 21:24.00 | petemc | hackman127: does the file in var otherwise look like a generated config? could someone have edited or replaced it? |
| 21:24.11 | km | ok |
| 21:24.33 | webPragmatist | simonrvn: well, besides my clumsy hands, forgetfulness, and visual-aided abilities... nothing i suppose |
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| 21:25.45 | webPragmatist | but we've digressed |
| 21:26.05 | tingi | how do i find global array overrun or incorrect indexing ? i tried valgrind it doesn't work. something like int arr[10] ; int main(){ arr[10]=3; return 0; } passes |
| 21:26.15 | stew | km: hmm, actually i didn't notice that it was in the OUTPUT chain. I'm not familiar with the OUTPUT chain in the nat table |
| 21:26.34 | hackman127 | petemc, I found it! When I was grepping through the config directory, I had the case wrong on id. I was looking for Message-Id instead of Message-ID and didn't specify a case insensitive grep. |
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| 21:27.15 | hackman127 | petemc, Thanks for the help! your suggestions led me to the right direction. I didn't know how to see which config file it was using, and that's what lead me to it. |
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| 21:27.25 | zmitya | hi everybody |
| 21:28.00 | petemc | hackman127: np |
| 21:28.31 | zmitya | my task now is to compare the support of debian and ubuntu in terms of how long security upgrade can we get if we choose one of them |
| 21:28.47 | zmitya | ubuntu has its LTS version it is supported to 5 years |
| 21:28.57 | zmitya | does debian has this documen somewhere ? |
| 21:29.11 | zmitya | *have |
| 21:29.14 | SteveJones | any ideas what i might be leaving out? |
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| 21:29.31 | dondelelcaro | zmitya: we support stable releases for at least 12 months after the next stable release happens, possibly longer. |
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| 21:30.03 | themill | zmitya: etch will be supported until about Feb next year; lenny for a year after squeeze's release (which is likely mid next year). A big difference is that you can actually upgrade from one debian release to another which ubuntu has a certain reputation for... |
| 21:30.12 | dondelelcaro | zmitya: so that generally means that you're going to have somewhere around 2.5-3 years of support of a particular release; you can always pay someone to make it longer |
| 21:31.08 | Arrowmaster | longer than that (except for lenny) |
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| 21:31.49 | zmitya | thanks guys, so if we choose debian (my preferred distro) than we can live with this version for around 1.5 years from now right ? |
| 21:31.49 | dondelelcaro | 2.5-3 years is a conservative estimate; it can certainly be longer, but it shouldn't be shorter |
| 21:31.58 | dondelelcaro | zmitya: yes |
| 21:32.23 | dondelelcaro | zmitya: though I'd strongly recommend making sure that you plan to be able to upgrade in 1.5-2 years or so |
| 21:32.31 | themill | zmitya: for a server, I'd personally go for debian's quality and the size of the archive that is supported rather than just looking at the length of support. I had lots of fun with centos for example running around in circles having to compile things because they weren't in centos but I knew they were just an apt-get away. |
| 21:32.40 | Arrowmaster | new release goals is suppost to be a new stable release every 2 years i think |
| 21:34.05 | dondelelcaro | Arrowmaster: well, around then, yes. However, supporting old stable releases can be very difficult, so we generally can't support them for much longer than 12 months after a new release |
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| 21:34.41 | themill | (and certain things like iceweasel have been cut off earlier than that in etch) |
| 21:34.43 | zmitya | themill: absolutely, but unfortunately I got a big ubuntu fun as my colleague and I need to assure my bosses about my right decision |
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| 21:35.50 | themill | zmitya: my understanding is that ubuntu LTS only offers a subset of their archive. Perhaps find out about the differences there compared to what you're wanting to do. Also /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 21:36.41 | freeone3000 | I've installed g++ - however, when attempting to compile a rather trivial program, it errors that it's missing the definitions for several classes, which are part of the standard library. What could be the cause of this? |
| 21:36.44 | Woodi | zmitya: ubuntu is "moust popular DESKTOP linux" |
| 21:36.49 | zmitya | I have been using debian for 10 years now and I'm absolutely satisfied, but now it is not enough unfortunately... The trick is that the new colleague wants to move to ubunto from debian for some reason (new broom cleans well) |
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| 21:37.49 | Arrowmaster | you should make him have to do the convincing to switch rather than having to defend what you are already using..... |
| 21:37.51 | Woodi | zmitya: give them some machine for test first, no rush |
| 21:37.53 | pleed_ | When installing a standard debian distro, will i have support for pthread? |
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| 21:38.06 | zmitya | we have C/C++ apps (a few hundreds of thousands of lines) developed on debian, I just cant see why we would move to ubuntu :( |
| 21:38.15 | mr_crowley | !scp |
| 21:38.15 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install scponly to restrict commands to scp-users. More infos: <sftp><sshfs> |
| 21:39.33 | dondelelcaro | pleed_: on every architecture except hppa, yes. |
| 21:40.10 | freeone3000 | zmitya: It's the same base, not to mention the same libraries and kernel. The applications should port fine. |
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| 21:40.21 | freeone3000 | And by port, I mean run without any changes at all. |
| 21:40.36 | martianlobster | can someone tell me what this error output from dmesg means, and if I need to do anything about it? http://acumensoftwareinc.com/dmesg.txt |
| 21:41.06 | pleed_ | thanks |
| 21:41.20 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: it'll most likely compile, but you'll have to rerun your entire testing suite and everthing, as there are lots of changes between the two |
| 21:41.53 | SteveJones | any kernel gurus around? |
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| 21:42.33 | tingi | SteveJones, tell me your problem |
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| 21:43.06 | zmitya | freeone3000: well, yes, sure, I know, but this new guy came here and we need to stop him somehow, that is why I'm looking for some good stories or something like that... technically yes, we can move to ubuntu I just don't want to do that, I would like to sleep well |
| 21:43.32 | SteveJones | tingi: tryin to compile 2.6.31 on an old p3 with an adaptec SmartRaid V controller, enabled all the I20 stuff/scsi stuff, etc in the kernel thought i caught everything, when test boot on my test kernel |
| 21:44.25 | zmitya | actually /msg dpkg why debian helps a lot |
| 21:44.25 | SteveJones | i get "VFS: connot open root device "sda1" or 08:01 Please append a correct "root=" boot option (i verfied the root= line is in grub's menu.1st), Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 08:01 |
| 21:44.28 | freeone3000 | "We'd have to install this. On all of the computers. THen it'd take days setting them up just like it was, AFTER the install time. THEN, it's running a slightly different version of everything so they'll be these impossible to find bugs where things just don't work they way they used to." |
| 21:44.30 | zmitya | good stuff, thanks guys |
| 21:44.32 | Woodi | zmitya: make new guy financial responsible for problems from changing what is working good |
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| 21:44.56 | Woodi | admins say: work so DO NOT TOUCH! |
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| 21:45.58 | Woodi | zmitya: and let hi give you stories that moving is needed, not you :) |
| 21:46.08 | zmitya | Woodi: unfortunately that is not my responsibility.. he is just an "adept" :) |
| 21:46.10 | tingi | SteveJones, what file system do you have on fs |
| 21:46.12 | martianlobster | r, Tuesday 22 2009 |
| 21:46.22 | SteveJones | tingi: just ext3, i verified that support was there |
| 21:46.31 | SteveJones | as compiled not a <M> |
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| 21:46.58 | Woodi | btw. lastly updating ubuntu to newer version make all machine unbutable and unrepairable.... |
| 21:47.00 | zmitya | however we have the trust, we perform well our apps are working well, I just need to fight back now really well.. |
| 21:47.02 | martianlobster | [martianlobster(e)] hmmmm what is wierd is that I have a raided scusi drive, /dev/sda1 is / . I don't think I even have an ide drive in the system, much less two ide drives, so the messages about hdb make mo sense. http://acumensoftwareinc.com/dmesg.txt |
| 21:47.05 | tingi | SteveJones, does it show partitions for sda , or is the driver for sda not compiled |
| 21:47.08 | zmitya | I'll read now, thanks guys |
| 21:47.26 | SerajewelKS | ugh, when did squeeze start making compiz run when i log in |
| 21:47.33 | SerajewelKS | barf |
| 21:47.49 | SteveJones | tingi: im not usure it gets that far, talks about devfs, then serial drivers, then ttys, then COMX, then RAMDISK, then NET4:, then IP then Linux ip multicast, then the VFS line i mentioned |
| 21:48.13 | capricorn | SerajewelKS, (hush... 'tis happened when you turned away for a second) :) |
| 21:48.23 | bpun | this is a little lame question.. but anyone familiar how to alias a fontname for another? (how do i know if a font supports a particular weight?) '(s)' is listed under weight with fc-match -v <fontname>, is 's' means 'slight' ? |
| 21:48.52 | tingi | SteveJones, sorry don't know enough to help you. I think it is one of those driver problems or the drive numbers by devfs from sda to sdb or some other mapping, try giving root=/dev/sda1 init=/bin/bash |
| 21:49.15 | SteveJones | ok ill pdu reboot and try adding the init line |
| 21:49.24 | SteveJones | would "recovery mode" work the same? |
| 21:49.55 | bpun | nm.. i found the doc.. |
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| 21:53.33 | SteveJones | tingi: i got something dif this time |
| 21:53.45 | SteveJones | looks like it might have changed the drive names? |
| 21:53.54 | tingi | SteveJones, what di dyou get ? |
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| 21:54.15 | SteveJones | "here are the available partitions: i20/hda driver: BLOCK-osm / i20/hda1 i20/hda2" |
| 21:54.22 | SteveJones | so maybe i just need to go tweak menu.1st |
| 21:54.41 | SteveJones | gonna try and set that to sda1 as opposed to hda1 weird |
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| 21:57.31 | jaggz- | I can't see how to get bluefish to handle javascript in html |
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| 22:06.06 | MFen | is there a tool to display the version in a changelog? other than grep. |
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| 22:06.49 | MFen | i want, like dpkg-showversion debian/changelog to print out "0.8.5-1" |
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| 22:07.34 | dondelelcaro | MFen: see dpkg-parsechangelog |
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| 22:08.50 | themill | MFen: the most common way is something like dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -n 's/Version: \(.*\)/\1/p' |
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| 22:09.43 | MFen | ok. wish that was easier, but thanks :) |
| 22:09.45 | dsdeiz | hi there! e.g. in deluge there is an option to open containing folder. so how do i set what file manager it would use? :-/ |
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| 22:14.52 | martianlobster | if I attach an external usb drive to a server, what should be the file system type? When I run mount it it telling me I have I have to specify the file system type. |
| 22:15.04 | martianlobster | I don't rememer having to do this in the past. |
| 22:15.15 | NoReflex | Hello everyone! Is it possible to find out which configure options were used when creating the binaries for a deb file? (a deb file from debian repos for example). I'm trying to compile a newer version of a program and I thought to use the same configuration options as the version in the repos (like where to store the binary files, the lib files, where to store logs, where to store configuration files) |
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| 22:15.35 | NoReflex | martianlobster, try vfat |
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| 22:15.58 | abrotman | !tell NoReflex about debian/rules |
| 22:16.01 | NoReflex | it's very common for usb drives to be formatted as fat |
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| 22:16.43 | PredaGR | hello people, trying to make an.. audio sink, of some sort, play music on another box on my house, and have a debian box, sink that streams to it speakers, any ideas and suggestions? |
| 22:16.48 | martianlobster | NoReflex: thanks |
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| 22:19.23 | martianlobster | is there anyway to tell which device is my external usb hard drivve other than dmesg? dmesg seems to be going nuts for me. http://acumensoftwareinc.com/dmesg.txt |
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| 22:19.55 | bpun | NoReflex, the debian doc site says this (debian.org/doc) |
| 22:19.56 | zinx | martianlobster: gnome volume manager + nautilus, or similar |
| 22:20.33 | martianlobster | zinx thanks |
| 22:20.39 | themill | martianlobster: one of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ; fdisk -l" usually help |
| 22:20.45 | bpun | martianlobster, what? |
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| 22:21.11 | bpun | martianlobster, try another port |
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| 22:21.29 | bpun | martianlobster, or choose another length of cable .. sometimes that fixes it |
| 22:21.46 | bpun | martianlobster, does this drive work on other systems? |
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| 22:22.34 | bpun | PredaGR, you mean you want to stream, (sink is not the same as sync) |
| 22:22.53 | martianlobster | themill: that works!!!!! thanks |
| 22:23.05 | bpun | PredaGR, look into vlc and the ice stream project |
| 22:23.05 | martianlobster | bpun, it is on a remote server |
| 22:23.38 | bpun | martianlobster, can you reboot it remotely? |
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| 22:24.55 | PredaGR | bpun: I want to use the soundcard on the headless debian to play my music from my desktop, tried with peercast and mpg123 but I cannot find how to make a channel to have winamp i.e. stream to it |
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| 22:24.59 | martianlobster | bpun, I got it working. It wasa just in an odd placce. |
| 22:25.16 | martianlobster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.20 | martianlobster | that found it |
| 22:25.55 | bpun | PredaGR, a client picks up a stream.. (so winamp or whatever streams from it).. I'm not sure if you're phrasing this correctly.. |
| 22:26.10 | Guerin | why streanm? |
| 22:26.40 | bpun | martianlobster, if you can still access data from it.. you should back up whatever is on it.. and find out whats causing those entries (if its hardware failure, then u know) |
| 22:26.47 | Guerin | just map a network share (using nfs or sshfs or samba) and play em transparently |
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| 22:27.01 | martianlobster | bpun: thanks |
| 22:27.06 | martianlobster | <---- afk |
| 22:27.46 | bpun | Guerin, he was saying stream in his original question.. but i'm assuming he's doing this for the first time.. likely he's not looking into streaming at all |
| 22:27.46 | Guerin | yeh |
| 22:27.55 | yehezkel | ? |
| 22:28.06 | Guerin | yehezkel: change your nick highlights |
| 22:28.13 | PredaGR | a friend actually likes to use a DJ proggy to play music in his house, and he does not have a second soundcard, but he has a debian box |
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| 22:28.59 | bpun | PredaGR, well you can look into freevo, but i haven't in a while |
| 22:29.21 | bpun | PredaGR, then find a way to mount the remote files so that freevo can see them.. |
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| 22:30.14 | bpun | PredaGR, if you're curious about "streaming", you can read up about it with "icecast" tutorials online.. and wikipedia about streaming.. obviously your conceppt of streaming is not the same as simply playing a file from a remote file share server |
| 22:30.47 | PredaGR | not simply playing, want to use the box as a second "sound card" |
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| 22:31.04 | Marctw | I want to parition as per |
| 22:31.10 | Marctw | I want to do /dev/sda1 is ext3 for / |
| 22:31.15 | Marctw | and /dev/sda2 is ext3 for /usr |
| 22:31.22 | Marctw | .dev/sda3 is swap |
| 22:31.41 | Marctw | any advice? |
| 22:32.18 | bpun | PredaGR, in your original question you said "streams", do you know what streams means? |
| 22:33.17 | jetscreamer | use a partitioner? |
| 22:33.23 | Guerin | PredaGR: are you looking for something like mpd, where you play music on one box and the noises come out the audio jack on another box? |
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| 22:33.37 | freenose | How can I make a normal user use fusermount? |
| 22:33.49 | PredaGR | stream, a flow of data |
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| 22:34.05 | jetscreamer | i used to know that.... there's a conf you edit iirc |
| 22:34.34 | Marctw | guys? |
| 22:34.44 | PredaGR | Guerin, mpd? give me one min to check this out |
| 22:34.45 | jetscreamer | use a partitioner? |
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| 22:35.29 | jetscreamer | or give a little more info |
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| 22:35.59 | jetscreamer | waves@Guerin |
| 22:36.32 | jetscreamer | like... you're installing debian and you were wondering if there's any recommended ratio between the 3? |
| 22:37.00 | jetscreamer | there's a thingy on debian.org iirc |
| 22:37.02 | bpun | PredaGR, streams require a stream server, it's not obvious because you're calling it by generic terms.. you obviously should do more research about what stream servers advantages are over filesharing servers, if its what you intend to setup |
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| 22:37.20 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 22:37.20 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 22:38.54 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apc.html.en |
| 22:39.32 | jetscreamer | specifically, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs03.html.en |
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| 22:40.20 | jetscreamer | also, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 22:41.14 | PredaGR | will look to setup an icecast server then |
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| 22:41.34 | Marctw | the default is a single partition for / and a swap partition ? |
| 22:42.07 | bpun | remembers how easy it was to setup a sling server |
| 22:42.10 | jetscreamer | iirc if you use the guided it makes a bunch of them.. i forget. i just do the / and swap though |
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| 22:42.52 | enmerkar | Marctw: the install guide has recommendations etc |
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| 22:43.24 | mr_crowley | !nice |
| 22:43.24 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
| 22:43.59 | mr_crowley | what does it mean the "agressive" in nice command |
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| 22:45.36 | dondelelcaro | mr_crowley: in theory, the preference to allocating cpu time to a process |
| 22:46.17 | mr_crowley | more agressive ... more cpu time? right? |
| 22:46.37 | dondelelcaro | mr_crowley: well, the preference for it, but yes. |
| 22:46.46 | mr_crowley | thx |
| 22:46.59 | matiastepli | Hi everyone...!. It's the first time I enter this channel but I have been using Debian for a few years. I wonder if you could help me with a problem I am having with Debian Testing. I know what using Testing implies: I just want to identify better the problem and report a bug if it's necessary. English is not my native language so please be patient... |
| 22:47.06 | dondelelcaro | mr_crowley: it's just another input to the process scheduler, normally you shouldn't care about it |
| 22:47.27 | mr_crowley | :D im just exploring commands |
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| 22:47.58 | little_owl | Is it possible to create a new update DVD: the current stable - 5.0.3 -> a diff pool? |
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| 22:51.44 | freenose | wnen you see file permissions like -rwsr-xr-x, what does the 's' mean? |
| 22:52.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell freenose -about file permissions |
| 22:52.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell freenose -about permissions |
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| 22:53.12 | freenose | k |
| 22:55.10 | matiastepli | The problem is the following: I get some errors when mounting a CD-ROM. In Gnome the auto mount process is started but the device is not mounted (no graphical errors are shown). If i do it from the command line, errors are shown but the device is finally mounted. This is what I got from the output and also from /var/log/syslog: |
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| 22:55.31 | matiastepli | Sep 19 01:39:32 debian kernel: [ 5830.460256] ATAPI device hdc: |
| 22:55.31 | matiastepli | Sep 19 01:39:32 debian kernel: [ 5830.460260] Error: Medium error -- (Sense key=0x03) |
| 22:55.31 | matiastepli | Sep 19 01:39:32 debian kernel: [ 5830.460266] Unrecovered read error -- (asc=0x11, ascq=0x00) |
| 22:55.31 | matiastepli | Sep 19 01:39:32 debian kernel: [ 5830.460269] The failed "Read 10" packet command was: |
| 22:55.31 | matiastepli | Sep 19 01:39:32 debian kernel: [ 5830.460271] "28 00 00 05 41 28 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 " |
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| 22:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | pebkac |
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| 22:57.39 | matiastepli | Ups sorry about flooding...! |
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| 22:59.24 | matiastepli | Here are the errors I am getting: http://pastebin.com/d1f731c25 |
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| 23:00.07 | capricorn | matiastepli, does that happen with any CD? |
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| 23:00.50 | Tigerclaw093 | hi I been trying without much luck to get my wifi going on my debian sqeeze laptop |
| 23:01.10 | matiastepli | I am sure this is not a hardware problem because I am not having this issue with Ubuntu Hardy Heron. Also I asked Google about it and I found that others distributions users are having the same problem... |
| 23:01.36 | matiastepli | @capricorn: yes... |
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| 23:03.00 | matiastepli | see: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79799 |
| 23:03.06 | dondelelcaro | matiastepli: well, it's most likely a kernel issue, then. Try using a different one |
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| 23:05.04 | matiastepli | It's curious however that using the stable kernel (2.6.26) within testing the problem persist, though I didn't have this problem while using Lenny... |
| 23:05.48 | matiastepli | ... so I am not sure if it's a kernel problem or not |
| 23:06.17 | matiastepli | may be udev or hal ? |
| 23:06.44 | matiastepli | I haven't found a Debian bug report about this |
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| 23:08.57 | Tigerclaw093 | my wifi shows on ifconfig but does not connect |
| 23:09.15 | Tigerclaw093 | how do i turn on encryption |
| 23:09.53 | bluecitrus | Tigerclaw093: What are you using to connect? |
| 23:09.54 | abrotman | which type? |
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| 23:11.04 | matiastepli | Some info about my CD-ROM: http://pastebin.com/d495fe19d |
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| 23:12.47 | Tigerclaw093 | bluecitrus: wifi |
| 23:12.50 | Tigerclaw093 | wpa2 |
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| 23:13.28 | bluecitrus | Like are you using network manager, wicm, or just /etc/networks |
| 23:13.39 | capricorn | Tigerclaw093, man iwconfig |
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| 23:14.19 | matiastepli | @Tigerclaw093: check that you have the wpasupplicant package installed... |
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| 23:17.34 | matiastepli | ...so regarding my issue, should I fill a debian bug report against current Testing kernel? |
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| 23:18.10 | jetscreamer | 1`current testing kernel is already being replaced sometime soon |
| 23:18.19 | jetscreamer | but you can |
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| 23:19.45 | matiastepli | @jetscreamer: I have 2.6.30-1-686 now. Which version is going to be replaced with? |
| 23:19.59 | Tigerclaw093 | matiastepli:wpasuppliant i do |
| 23:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | matiastepli, so you used the same drive and CD disk without errors with a different kernel? |
| 23:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd at least make sure the error disappears with exactly the same hardware setup when switching kernels... |
| 23:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | CD errors are just too prone to come from the hardware side... even if it's just scratches or something |
| 23:21.18 | matiastepli | @CutMeOwnThroat: Yes. Specifically with the Ubuntu Hardy Heron kernel. No problems there. |
| 23:21.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you could boot into the older lenny kernel to check |
| 23:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess most useful would be if you could pin down in which kernel version the problem appears? |
| 23:22.28 | matiastepli | @CutMeOwnThroat: I already did that... and I got the same results :-/ ... that's what makes me confused... |
| 23:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps then changelog entry for that version change in the ATAPI driver reveals a clue? |
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| 23:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 23:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's unlikely someone is going to fix an error if it can't be reproduced and you can't provide a hint to where it appeared at all, I think |
| 23:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course we don't know if someone else can reproduce it :) |
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| 23:25.54 | matiastepli | @Tigerclaw093: sorry if I missed something but in which method are you trying to use to connect? ... I mean... graphically or by command line? |
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| 23:26.25 | matiastepli | TYPO "in" |
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| 23:28.40 | Tigerclaw093 | matiastepli: commandline |
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| 23:29.09 | bluecitrus | WEP or WPA? |
| 23:29.57 | matiastepli | WPA2 |
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| 23:31.04 | matiastepli | Tigerclaw093: are you using ndiswrapper or a native kernel driver? |
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| 23:31.53 | bluecitrus | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 23:45.14 | SteveJones | tingi: you still around? |
| 23:45.26 | SteveJones | ah n/m he left |
| 23:45.50 | SteveJones | anyone able to assist me with my nightmarish custom kernel compile? |
| 23:47.03 | matiastepli | Thank you each of you. I have to go and dinner now. By the way, I am from Argentina... |
| 23:47.47 | SteveJones | t |
| 23:48.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Speak for yourself. |
| 23:48.58 | macrobat | SteveJones: what's the nightmare? |
| 23:49.05 | SteveJones | macrobat i keep getting panic's |
| 23:49.13 | SteveJones | and i cant figure out what im leaving o ut |
| 23:49.54 | clarjon1 | SteveJones: filesystem? |
| 23:49.58 | macrobat | google the content of the kernel panic line |
| 23:50.11 | SteveJones | macrobat: the old kernel uses root=/dev/sda1 ; but this newer kernel is saying available is i20/hda1 and i20/hda2 |
| 23:50.16 | SteveJones | clarjon1: ext3 |
| 23:50.27 | SteveJones | macrobat: i didnt, no luck |
| 23:50.27 | clarjon1 | o.O |
| 23:50.29 | SteveJones | *did |
| 23:50.44 | clarjon1 | SteveJones: what kernel version? |
| 23:50.51 | Kibarg | macrobat: buenoc timos! |
| 23:50.54 | SteveJones | so i tried switching the /boot/grub/menu.1st to look for hda instead of sda, and that didnt work either |
| 23:50.57 | SteveJones | clarjon1: 2.6.31 |
| 23:51.00 | SteveJones | stable |
| 23:51.36 | clarjon1 | SteveJones: initrd being created properly? |
| 23:52.07 | SteveJones | clarjon1: i would say so, but don't quote me |
| 23:52.11 | macrobat | hello, Kibarg, i'm sorry i don't speak your language. which one is it? |
| 23:52.15 | SteveJones | im trying to take a screenshot |
| 23:52.18 | SteveJones | so i can show you guys where it's at |
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| 23:53.31 | SteveJones | whats a free image site u can just upload picts? |
| 23:53.37 | SteveJones | w/o an acct |
| 23:53.38 | clarjon1 | SteveJones: tinypic |
| 23:53.39 | SteveJones | ty |
| 23:53.53 | clarjon1 | yw |
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| 23:54.45 | SteveJones | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ncy0z5&s=4 |
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| 23:55.25 | macrobat | SteveJones: i followed this howto http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
| 23:55.39 | macrobat | did you get an initrd? |
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| 23:56.15 | SteveJones | macrobat: thats what i did mostly, |
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| 23:56.29 | clarjon1 | grrr |
| 23:56.32 | SteveJones | i did make menuconfig then make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 23:56.38 | clarjon1 | the version of scorched3d in repos is too old to play network |
| 23:56.45 | SteveJones | macro: well i got a deb pkg |
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| 23:57.06 | SteveJones | then i did a dpkg -i |
| 23:57.10 | SteveJones | and updated grub |
| 23:57.27 | SteveJones | and it looks like it created the /lib/modules .. etc that was required |
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| 23:58.14 | macrobat | do you have an initrd.img in /boot that corresponds to the kernel? |
| 23:58.18 | SteveJones | checking |
| 23:58.28 | SteveJones | one sec gotta pdu reboot it |
| 23:58.30 | FunkyBob | just a quick questin I can't find an answer to searching the wiki... I've been asked to set up debian as a vmware guest... I understand using a 'tickless' kernel improves things... |
| 23:58.45 | FunkyBob | is tickless enabled by default in current stable? |
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