IRC log for #debian on 20090923

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00:00.13CutMeOwnThroatkarsten, who else should I speak for?
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00:01.10SteveJonesmacrobat: negative, just a system.map, vmlinuz-$kernelvers, and config-2.6.31
00:01.13SteveJonesno initrd
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00:01.32clarjon1SteveJones: there's your problem
00:02.17SteveJonesok im gonna try and use this command from the url you guys gave me
00:02.25personMy Debian seems to have magically healed and I don't understand how.
00:02.29karstenCutMeOwnThroat: Teh Peepul!
00:02.55CutMeOwnThroatomgroflmaolololol!
00:03.34macrobatso, i20 is for an Adaptec RAID controller ?
00:03.35personI pulled the plug out by accident, probably quite slowly and when I turned it back on, I got kernel panics. I left it for a few weeks to set and hey presto, it works!
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00:06.01ksnpanyone know what transport = remote_smtp means in exim ?
00:06.26macrobatSteveJones: its something like "update-initramfs -c -k kernelversion"  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41735
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00:07.38SteveJonesmacrobat: im just trying to build a new kernel with this
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00:07.58karstenIs debian seeing display artifact issues w/ Konq 4.2.2?
00:08.10SteveJones"make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=custom.001 kernel_image kernel_headers"
00:08.21SteveJonesill letcha know how it goes
00:08.24SteveJonesty
00:08.29karstenApparently an Intel chipset issue, from Ubunutu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/338669
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00:11.39macrobatSteveJones: i think it was a bug/feature that you dont get an initrd even with the --initrd option
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00:17.51goose[screen]I need help fixing my GRUB. I can only boot with my emergency grub fixer thumb drive, I think my problem is that in my /boot/grub/menu.lst, the root (hdX,X), the numbers aren't correct. can someone help me set the hd(X,X) to the right numbers?
00:17.51Tigerclaw093hi sorry connection trouble
00:17.58Tigerclaw093This is the problem ifconfig wlan0 up
00:17.58Tigerclaw093SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
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00:23.46macrobatin legacy grub, (hda,b) means a is drive starting on 0. b is partition number
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00:25.29goose[screen]macrobat: how could I find out which numbers I need to put where in the file, then? :|
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00:27.20macrobatif your / is on /dev/sda1 then it translates to (hd0,0)
00:28.03goose[screen]ah, I think I understand... I'll try and figure it out then
00:28.19macrobat/dev/sdb2 is (hd1,1) inm grub-legacy notation, grub2 has another notation
00:29.08goose[screen]macrobat: I have my partitions all on sda, it would appear, as sda1-5
00:30.08goose[screen]where sda1 I think is my mbr, sda2 is win7, sda3 is debian, sda4/sda5 is swap
00:36.56CutMeOwnThroatsda1 is your mbr?
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00:37.46project2501ahey guys, is there a gnome adaptation of the "go" game?
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00:37.46abrotmanproject2501a: i think there's a gtk-go
00:37.46SindaciousLloir, aaa
00:37.46Lloirffff
00:37.46phluxcan anyone run links2 -g successfully? I run links2 -g -driver svgalib -mode 1280x640(some color mode here), and when I exit, I have to reboot the machine.. it leaves lines all over the terminal that I can't get rid of
00:37.46phluxeven if I alt+F2, or F3, anything.. the prints are still on the display
00:37.47jpinx-eeepcphlux: I use links2 -g very successfully
00:37.47project2501aabrotman: ta
00:37.47phluxjpinx-eeepc, ever had my issue?
00:37.47abrotmanproject2501a: gpe-go .. at least
00:37.47jpinx-eeepcnope
00:37.47phluxit does the same with directfb
00:37.47phluxThis is on a laptop, fwiw
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00:37.47phluxWhat options do you pass to links2?
00:37.47jpinx-eeepcguess what I'm on :p
00:37.48jpinx-eeepcno options - I just use it ;)
00:37.48abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: superglue ?
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00:37.48phluxah, you don't use -g.
00:37.48jpinx-eeepclinks2 -g ;)
00:37.48phluxwtf
00:37.49phluxthat's it?
00:37.53jpinx-eeepcyep
00:38.00phluxdo you do this while X is started?
00:38.08jpinx-eeepcphlux: yes
00:38.11phluxAh
00:38.17phluxI don't want to have x loaded
00:38.17phlux:\
00:38.55jpinx-eeepcphlux: I did use it on a non-X live cd without problems too. But that was a while ago~
00:39.00project2501aabrotman: remind me to buy a real, floor board for go :P
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00:39.12phluxHrm
00:39.19phluxThe weird thing is, it works perfect before I have to exit
00:39.23abrotmanproject2501a: there are a couple of versions in debian
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00:39.37phluxif I knew a way to reset the display, that might work
00:40.08jpinx-eeepcphlux: log out and back in?
00:40.16phluxthe lines are still there
00:40.24phluxand none of my text displays
00:40.28phluxnothing I'm typing shows
00:40.35phluxI can see the cursor, and it moves all over the place
00:40.36abrotmanproject2501a: try the 'quarry' package
00:40.48jpinx-eeepcphlux: what debian are you running?
00:40.53phluxlenny
00:41.30jpinx-eeepcvery odd - no idea dude :/
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00:41.35project2501awill do
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00:46.28kmi just rm a file. how can i get it back
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00:47.11adb!rm
00:47.11dpkgrm is, like, used to delete a file (syntax: rm foo), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper around unlink(2).  To prevent accidental deletions, ask me about <safe-rm>.  --preserve-root is a default option since GNU coreutils 6.4.  Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release.  RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs).
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00:48.08cipherzhello, I have a t400 with a intel core2 t9600 processor, is that amd64 or ia64 arch ?
00:48.17cipherzwould think amd64 as ia64 is for itanium arch ?
00:48.52dvsamd64
00:49.02Tigerclaw093http://pastebin.com/d403dbfad
00:49.20cipherzok guess thats why it wont boot my cd then :)
00:49.57cipherzdvs, thanks
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00:50.59macrobatTigerclaw093: you need a driver for your wifi. maybe b43-fwcutter?
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00:51.23bpunwth is this? man defoma-user says "I have no idea what defoma-user does just yet.  I’m working on it." .. tsk tsk..
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00:51.26eyerisI just upgraded from lenny to testing. My nvidia drivers were working fine with kernel 2.6.26. Using m-a to install the nvidia kernel driver against 2.6.30 fails, so I went back to 2.6.26 but now installing nvidia-glx wants to uninstall xserver-xorg*. What am I doing wrong?
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00:51.57bpunusing lenny 5.0.3
00:52.07bpun!defoma
00:52.07dpkgdefoma is probably Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts.
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00:53.06eyerisThis seems like bug 526751, but I am using nvidia-glx 173.14.09 instead of 180.44.
00:53.12jaggz-PIGGY SUE!  PIGGY PIGGY PIGGY PIGGY PIGGY SUE!
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00:53.41Tigerclaw093i have that installed thats where i am getting the error
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00:57.11macrobateyeris: there are alot of xserver-xorg pkgs. i just installed xserver-xorg-video-nv and got its deps
00:57.47macrobatmaybe some pkg conflicts w nvidia-glx
00:57.58sepult`anyones using qemu ?
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00:58.51macrobatidk, i cant find any nvidia-glx conflicts
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00:59.18sepult`and had problems with it's keyboard driver being buggy, not
00:59.18sepult`finding the scancodes or so ?
00:59.23eyerisI see xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-2, which nvidia-glx provides
00:59.44eyerisHow does that make any sense?
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01:03.28sepult`s there any way to use foreign keymaps with qemu like not the
01:03.29sepult`ones provided by the package itself ?
01:05.59macrobateyeris: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526751
01:07.09macrobatwow, theres an avalanche of bugs filed against that pkg :D
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01:07.29eyerisYeah :/
01:08.37phluxIs it possible to get my mouse to work without starting x?
01:08.46phluxI got my links2 working, btw :P
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01:10.08stewphlux: aptitude install gpm
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01:10.59phluxthanks
01:11.06sepult`wtf why was the debian-installer using de-at keyboard ???
01:11.19sepult`is it default ?
01:13.08macrobatcant you change keymap?
01:13.19bpun<PROTECTED>
01:13.28bpunsepult`, u hate german people?
01:13.42stewbpun: it was not created by a german person
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01:15.01sepult`bpun: you stump i rather would have it to be german, i can't use
01:15.01sepult`en-us here and even german lacks some scancodes as far as the package
01:15.01sepult`qemu is of concern
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01:15.34sepult`bpun: and i'm not sure what the installer environment was setting
01:15.35sepult`it to
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01:19.08phluxanyone know how to get links2 to work with gpm?
01:19.50sepult`use /dev/psaux for gpm
01:19.57sepult`and /dev/input/mice for X
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01:20.19phluxeven for a synaptics mouse?
01:20.33sepult`yes
01:20.37stewphlux: it should "just work"
01:20.57stewphlux: you probably want "links2 -g" if you aren't already using it.  though gpm works without it
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01:21.37phluxstew: Yeah, I'm using links2 -g, but my mouse cursor isn't moving
01:21.53sepult`phlux: you rather want to confiugre /etc/vga/libvga.config
01:21.53stewphlux: does the mouse cursor move outside of links2?
01:22.08sepult`phlux: and set the mouse type, device and other options there
01:22.47sepult`cause links2 -g will use the framebuffer i think
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01:23.12sepult`mouse should work normally, though not the wheel
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01:23.35goose[screen]on boot, debian freezes up at this: http://img195.yfrog.com/img195/9208/nonameoh.jpg
01:23.43goose[screen](had to take a photo with my mobile)
01:23.58goose[screen]I have no idea what it is, let alone how to fix it
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01:26.07bpungoose[screen], maybe the kernel's new param should be different (happened to me on an apt upgrade).. (edit grub menu and go to kernel boot line to change where it says root=)
01:26.19bpunsays (root=<>)
01:26.34bpun(replace <> appropriately)
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01:27.51goose[screen]bpun: not sure I'm seeing what you're referring to... http://goose.pastebin.com/m7ec0b8fe
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01:29.09bpunphlux, i believe line 124 got changed..
01:29.11bpunoops
01:29.17bpungoose[screen], 124 is normal?
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01:29.35bpungoose[screen], u have the single method boot entry with root=/dev/sdc3
01:29.42goose[screen]no idea. I only modified 123 and 143
01:29.46bpungoose[screen], rather->> (hd1,2)
01:29.52goose[screen]what should I have?
01:29.58goose[screen]ah, on line 123?
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01:30.12bpungoose[screen], why 123?
01:30.35goose[screen]bpun: that's here (hd0,2) is, should I edit that to (hd1,2) ?
01:30.39goose[screen]or edit line 124?
01:30.46bpungoose[screen], no, why did u edit this?
01:31.02bpungoose[screen], did u physically swap hard drives?
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01:31.04goose[screen]bpun: it didn't work at all from install
01:31.26goose[screen]bpun: it wouldn't load either OS. Now I can load Win7, but not Debian without my Grub-Rescue thumb drive
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01:32.23bpungoose[screen], how many hardrives are inthe system? 1 or 2?
01:32.27goose[screen]one. partitioned, of course.
01:32.58stewgoose[screen]: lines 123 and 124 are in the "AUTOMAGIC" section, so you definately should not be editing them.  If you need them to change you should be editing the "# groot=" or "# kopt=" lines
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01:34.07bpungoose[screen], try (hd0,2) root=/dev/sdac3
01:34.10goose[screen]aye. but they never worked for me in the first place. I just tried editing the numbers under (hdX,X), as well.
01:34.22goose[screen]on line 124?
01:34.46bpungoose[screen], if that doesn't work, boot into rescue mode with cd, and issue fdisk -l
01:34.55goose[screen]did a netinstall :/
01:35.01goose[screen]I'm in debian right now
01:35.03bpungoose[screen], hold on, you are using boot cd rescue no?
01:35.07bpungoose[screen], so do fdisk -l
01:35.21stewgoose[screen]: /msg dpkg uuid
01:36.04goose[screen]http://goose.pastebin.com/m50c55cad
01:36.45bpungoose[screen], so try the above (use /dev/sda3 , not /dev/sdac3)
01:37.06bpungoose[screen], how about /etc/fstab ?
01:37.13bpungoose[screen], what's in that file?
01:37.30bpungoose[screen], the problem currently is not fstab.. but will be the second problem later on..
01:37.48goose[screen]bpun: http://goose.pastebin.com/m2ec83613
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01:38.05goose[screen]and where should I put (hd0,2) root=/dev/sdac3
01:38.10bpungoose[screen], so edit /etc/fstab, and change sdc to sda
01:38.10goose[screen]-c
01:38.15goose[screen]ah, ok
01:38.28bpungoose[screen], (hd0,2) root=/dev/sda3
01:38.40stewgoose[screen]: i'd recommend not using sdc or sda and use UUID= instead, which would have avoided this torouble in the first place
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01:39.32goose[screen]right, but _where_ does that go? lol
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01:39.39bpungoose[screen], also scd -> to sdb (fstab)
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01:40.14bpunstew, yeah that would be a better thing.. but he doesnt know how to paste ;)
01:40.40stewgoose[screen]: you don't know how to paste?  where are you having trouble pasting?
01:40.43bpungoose[screen], line 123 and line 124
01:41.00stewgoose[screen]: no, you shouldn't not edit 123 or 124 as they are in the AUTOMAGIC section
01:41.21stewgoose[screen]: if you do, your changes will be overwritten the next time update-grub is run
01:41.22bpungoose[screen], 123: (hd0,2),  line 124:(replace) "/dev/sdc3" to "/dev/sda3"
01:41.40stewbpun: do you understand how update-grub works?
01:41.46bpungoose[screen], or best, u can find the UUID..
01:41.52bpunstew, not exactly..
01:42.16jetscreamerls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid
01:42.18goose[screen]how do I do that, then, stew?
01:42.28stewbpun: you are having him edit autogenerated lines.  his edits would be replaced when they are next autogenerated
01:42.36stewgoose[screen]: can you show us the output of jetscreamer's command?
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01:42.48jetscreamergoose[screen]: multiple ide controllers?
01:43.06bpunstew, i know.. i had the same problem :| lol
01:43.12bpunstew, how can he prevent that?
01:43.24jetscreameromg they haven't fixed that YET??????
01:43.32stewbpun: you'd edit the "# kopt=" or "# groot=" lines
01:43.35goose[screen]what command is that, stew? I didn't catch it
01:43.39jetscreameri got that when the introduced udev
01:43.41stew21:42 < jetscreamer> ls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid
01:43.42jetscreamerls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid
01:43.47bpunstew, in menu.1st ?
01:43.48jetscreameroops too slow
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01:43.55bpunhmm interesting..
01:43.56stewbpun: yes, then run "update-grub"
01:44.05bpunnotes this in his memo pad..
01:44.09bpunthanks stew :) hehehe
01:44.27jetscreamerudev, meet jetscreamer .. jetscreamer, meet can't boot debian
01:44.40bpungoose[screen], the procedure then is to do this
01:44.49stewbpun: or you could add a "# kopt_2_6_30" or "# kopt_2_6_30_1" line if you need version specific options
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01:44.49goose[screen]http://goose.pastebin.com/m73ccf12
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01:44.59goose[screen]@ stew
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01:45.24jetscreamer@udev: .|.
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01:46.21jetscreameri's only been what, a year and a half?
01:46.29ksnpanyone familiar with exim routers here ?
01:46.41jetscreamerit's
01:47.05stewgoose[screen]: so in menu.lst "# kopt=root=/dev/sdc3 ro" should be changed to "kopt=root=UUID=8e873db8-86e8-4b9e-9780-6b3347e7660e ro" then run "update-grub"
01:47.43stewgoose[screen]: in /etc/fstab, /dev/sdc3 can be replaced by "UUID=8e873db8-86e8-4b9e-9780-6b3347e7660e"
01:48.27stewgoose[screen]: then if something changes becuase, for instance, you plug in a usb drive and for some reason that makes sda3 change to sdb3 or sdc3 or something, you won't care, becuaes you are now referencing the static UUIDs
01:49.11stewgoose[screen]: after you run "update-grub" after editing the kopt= line, you should see lines 124 and 129 automatically changed
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01:49.33goose[screen]stew: I'm assuming you mean line 62 in my menu.lst, which is commented out. should I uncomment it?
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01:49.53stewgoose[screen]: no, its really not commented out.  well its commented out from grub, but not for update-grub
01:50.09goose[screen]ah, ok. update-grub, then.
01:50.24stewwhich is a bit of a absurd system
01:50.29stewbut... whatever
01:50.30goose[screen]alright, reboot time
01:50.37stewgoose[screen]: wait
01:51.02stewgoose[screen]: you might run "update-initramfs -u -k all"
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01:51.24SteveJonesthanks guys you rock got a 2.6.31 kernel workin in sarge
01:51.39SteveJones"make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=custom.001 kernel_image kernel_headers"
01:51.41SteveJonesdid the trick
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01:53.07macrobatwhy sarge? :)
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01:54.41goose[screen]STEW FIXED IT
01:54.45goose[screen]gives stew his first born
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01:55.30mapperis it safe to reboot the server when regular fsck is running on the big drive?
01:55.31liablefire up the bbq!
01:56.18stewI really don't need another baby right now
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01:57.04goose[screen]buys stew a large quantity of drinks
01:57.14stewbetter!
01:57.16SteveJonesmacrobat: yea tell me about it.. clients stuck with crappy apps/php4, etc
01:57.35abrotmanstew: but it was a gift!
01:57.39SteveJonesbut this will atleast help somewhat, grants there's still tons of other holes, but definitely not as many root escalating ones
01:57.40stewSteveJones: just make sure you clients know that suport for sarge ends in February
01:57.41bpunstew, baby as in super newbie :p
01:57.55stewyeah, i have enough of those
01:58.11bpunstew, thanks.. too late to say, but i was already your second baby :)
01:58.14bpun(jk)
01:58.18bpunthanks for the tip..
01:58.23abrotmanwtf ...
01:58.24bpunchecks his fstab stuff
01:58.51bpunabrotman, i was having the same issue as goose[screen]
01:58.57bpunlol
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02:03.41bpun#groot=(hd0,1), goose[screen] 's you have windows on that right?  shouldn't your menu.1st file be #groot=(hd0,0) ?
02:03.58bpunwonders if he should change #groot=
02:04.30bpunnm
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02:11.59flourishhi all, a question about ssh login. Long long ago, when i use ssh to login into remote system, it give a prompt for passphrase directly in terminal. But now, it pop-up a gtk dialog. I don't like the dialog. Is there any idea to prevent the dialog and still have the prompt for passphrase
02:13.07liablemust be some ssh client thing, search and destroy
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02:13.36macrobatflourish: do you have gtk-led-askpass installed?
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02:14.03liableyeah, looks like ssh-askpass-gtk
02:14.13liableerm, gnome
02:14.25flourishmacrobat: dpkg -l |grep -i gtk-led-askpass no
02:14.43flourishdpkg -l |grep askpass no output
02:14.43dpkgNo packages found matching |grep askpass no output
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02:15.07goose[screen]what's that command to list all your system hardware? next impossible task is getting my wifi card working ;/
02:15.15liablessh-menu ?
02:15.44liablegoose[screen]: lspci -v
02:15.50flourishdpkg -l |grep ssh
02:15.50dpkgNo packages found matching |grep ssh
02:15.53goose[screen]I didn't have problems with vistasir
02:16.01goose[screen]er.. thank you sir
02:16.03flourishautossh libssh2-1 openssh-server
02:16.04goose[screen]scrollback fail
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02:20.36abrotmanis ssh-askpass-gnome installed ?
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02:21.34liablewake up!
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02:22.58abrotmani'm up?
02:23.06neutrinowhile trying to install the nvidia driver, i messed up the xorg.conf file, now the gui mode doesn't start, i tried  dpkg-reconfigure server -xorg command, but this exited once i reach the keyboard options.
02:23.13charonp1when switching vty's, sometimes the system stops responding. the keyboard stops responding too
02:23.13liablescroll up then :P
02:23.36charonp1all I have is a blank screen and I have to hard power down to recover
02:24.38liablehmm, flashing led's ? my caps lock led flashes when I get oopses usually
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02:24.56gooseSTEW!
02:25.01gooseI installed my wireless card
02:25.02charonp1liable: no, the caps lock isn't flashing.
02:25.05gooseand it broke your fix for me :(
02:25.05liabletry netconsole if you have another box handy
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02:26.26gooseoh, wait, nevermind, I figured it out
02:26.28charonp1the only thing that responds is the acpi power button
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02:28.30charonp1does the kernel freeze without panicing or something?
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02:29.39liableit shouldn't
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02:32.54charonp1I'm using kernel 2.6.30-1-686. debian bug #394200 leads me to believe it has something to do with acpi.
02:33.35liableboot with acpi=off and see if it stops it happening
02:34.54charonp1i think it's just when switching from text to x11 consoles
02:35.10charonp1I'll give that a try
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02:37.27charonp1did that, now my touchpad doesn't work
02:37.44heloanyone got hp mini wifi working in sid?
02:38.14click170Hey, could someone point me to docs on how to do a diskless client for Debian Lenny?  Ive been googling, but it looks like the methods changed in Lenny, some posts have said that packages required from before aren't in the repos now.  Does anyone know where there are recent docs, or if the old methods still apply with modifications?
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02:38.36charonp1but i can successfully switch from text to x11 without hanging
02:38.41liablehelo: being a hp, i would guess it might be a broadcom card, which depending on your kernel, needs firmware of one sort or another. check lspci
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02:41.18helodoes NetworkManager use wpasupplicant?
02:41.25liableyes
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02:47.40flourishDid someone use mpt-status before.
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02:47.52goosealright, so
02:47.58goosesomething bad happened to xorg
02:48.05gooseand now it either won't start, or doesn't exist
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02:49.01goosehow do I reset my xorg server?
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02:52.03gooseplease? ;_;
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02:54.28charonp1is default runlevel 2?
02:54.46charonp1that's what it say's in inittab
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02:55.44charonp1would the fact that I explicitly set init 5 have anything to do with the freezing?
02:56.15abrotmanshouldn't .. debian defaults to 2-5 being the same
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02:57.12charonp1ahh
02:57.27charonp1so that's why init 3 doesnt shut down x11 :)
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02:59.50abrotmanyeah
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03:00.10lindenle2Did ctrl-alt-backspace get disabled in the latest kde?
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03:00.51dkrlindenle2: that's an X feature, you can enable or disable it in xorg.conf
03:01.10lindenle2dkr: what is the option?
03:01.47dkrDontZap
03:02.03dkrman xorg.conf     /backsp
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03:14.29esaym153anything special I need to do when trying to route/forward traffic between 2 nics?  dmesg sees my eth0 but ifconfig eth0 up or ethtool eth don't do anything.  eth1 works just fine
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03:15.40gooseso, how do I install my nvidia video card? tried google, no solid results. it's an 8300 series
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03:17.19Pryonthe first hit for 'debian install nvidia' is pretty solid
03:18.09gooseexcept that the packages didn't exist when I tried to install them, Pryon
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03:18.28goosetried install nvidia-config, it crashed xorg
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03:20.00Pryondo you have contrib and non-free in your repository entries?
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03:20.38gooseno idea, let me check
03:20.49at0mgoose: /msg dpkg nvidia
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03:22.58Pryonhere is the first (zeroth, really) step from the URL I posted (and which dpkg recommends): 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult the sources.list(5) man page for help on doing this)
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03:25.55adfasdfhello
03:26.00AndorinOkay, I have a question. Using the Sessions menu, I set Conky to run on startup. After I log in, I see it for a moment (right before my desktop appears) but when the desktop shows up conky disappears. The process is still running, but it doesn't display. How to fix?
03:26.57adfasdfgnome or kde?
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03:27.10Pryonadfasdf: yes
03:28.27adfasdfandorin go into the ./gnome2/sessions file and see where the conky command is in the list.
03:28.41AndorinOh. Yes. Gnome. Sry.
03:28.53adfasdf./gnome2 is in ur home directory
03:29.30adfasdfsorry /home/youruser/.gnome/sessions
03:29.38heloman i just can't get this bcm4312r1 working... ubuntu must be using some bizarre wifi sauce...
03:29.44adfasdfor .gnome2 not sure
03:29.48AndorinYeah, I got it.
03:29.59AndorinCan't find the file, tho.
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03:30.35adfasdfare you viewing hidden files
03:30.40AndorinYeah.
03:30.57adfasdfand there is a .gnome2
03:31.02AndorinYes.
03:31.28adfasdfa no session file..okay...
03:31.50AndorinYeah, there's nothing labeled session.
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03:31.55AndorinDo you want an ls -a?
03:32.09adfasdfsure
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03:32.34Andorinhttp://pastebin.com/d5b3f56c5
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03:34.38adfasdftry doing a search for session. like $sudo find / -name session
03:35.05macrobathelo: is that a broadcom? /msg dpkg b43
03:35.14heloahh, thanks
03:36.07Andorinadfasdf: Search turned up two files. One is obviously not it and the other is /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/cgi/session
03:37.04adfasdfwhich is not it...what about makeing a script which launches conky after 10 seconds or something
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03:37.07clarjon1pets his b43
03:37.17clarjon1worked beautifully after i copied my copy of the firmware lol
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03:40.58AndorinI don't know how.
03:43.18heloclarjon1: i used b43-fwcutter
03:43.23heloand have had no luck :(
03:44.17helowhen i modprobe b43, dmesg retorts, "ERROR: FOUND UNSUPPORTED PHY (Analog 6, Type 5, Revision 1)\n probe of ssb0:0 failed with error -95"
03:44.42adfasdfcreate a file with nano or whatever and put sleep 20 (to wait 20 seonnds) and the on the next line put the full path of conky then save it as whatever .sh
03:45.21adfasdfthen in sessions add the script by putting in the command: sh scriptpath.sh
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03:49.33clarjon1Beep beep!
03:49.56gooseI've installed nvidia-glx, but it doesn't seem to be making a difference. I can't change my resolution.
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03:50.52helohow can ubuntu with 2.6.26 support this bcm4312 wifi card, but sid with 2.6.30 does not...
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03:51.58jony123Whats a good graphical email program.
03:52.22heloicedove
03:52.35bpunjony123, people say balsa is good..
03:52.36clarjon1jony123: I like kmail/kontact, personally, but icedove is pretty good as well.
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03:52.55adfasdfhelo have you tried ndiswrapper?
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03:53.05zerothisI'm about to head off to trade school to learn to make videogames (or not). I'm determined to remain committed to Libre Software. Does anybody have any advice for me? Does anybody know about Full Sail University?
03:53.06ryan__helo: because its not simply the kernel version that matters
03:53.18heloadfasdf: no... i'd really hate to use something like that :/
03:53.37adfasdfit's easier
03:53.45heloryan__: you seem to speak the truth...
03:53.54bpunzerothis, what's that?
03:53.58ryan__:D
03:54.29pickcoderndiswrapper isn't that bad if you build from source
03:54.39pickcoderthe packaged version is too old IMO
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03:56.47Rusty1_maxagaz, http://www.samba.org/rsync/ perhaps
03:56.51ryan__how should I remove this kernel I compiled? I'm assuming "make uninstall" isn't the only thing to do.
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04:01.42gooseI think my xorg.conf needs some manual configuration. I followed the setup instructions to the letter and it's not working.
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04:03.06ryan__goose: well it has to know which display driver to use, you might be using the old or different one
04:04.10hopper_irchow eclipse 3.5 with all feature in debian lenny
04:04.21gooseryan__: that's the thing, I don't know how to tell it. I installed the nvidia-glx package, nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings, none of them will configure xorg correctly
04:04.54pickcoderryan__: you'll probably want to update grub and get rid of any modules/files left over from the source/binary install
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04:07.48lindenle2Can i use aptitude through a socks 5 proxy?(i.e. ssh)
04:08.00ryan__last time I did it was for my ati radeon and I followed a ubuntu doc! gasp!
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04:08.18goosele sigh
04:08.20rafuch0where i can download debian whit gnome iso i dont want to use the net install
04:08.35Benjaola
04:08.38Benjaa todos
04:08.39ryan__rafuch0: cd1 has gnome
04:08.42Benjaque tal
04:08.43hopper_irchow eclipse 3.5 with all feature in debian lenny
04:08.55rafuch0really?
04:09.11rafuch0ok
04:09.16rafuch0lest download
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04:14.11ryan__hopper_irc: I can't tell if thats a question or not
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04:22.22ryan__!tell ryan__ -about nvidia
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04:23.08Trampryan__: you can /msg the bot (dpkg)
04:23.43ryan__I could
04:24.11jetscreamer!tell ryan__ -about selftell
04:24.56ryan__lol oh
04:24.56jetscreamer:)
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04:43.45[1]Napst3rhey guys !
04:43.48thornhearthello
04:44.03[1]Napst3rneed to talk to the admin in private
04:44.11[1]Napst3rthere is a fatal error in debians website
04:44.29[1]Napst3rmaulkin ?
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04:44.51ryan__:O
04:45.14[1]Napst3rit's an SQL inject
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04:46.45pickcoder[1]Napst3r: ask on irc.debian.org?
04:46.48pickcodermeh
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04:47.13malathihi
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04:47.30malathii am using fedora 11, can i send the bug report to debian bug report?
04:47.49malathiThrough report bug command.
04:48.51hopper_irchow eclipse 3.5 with all feature in debian lenny
04:49.05ryan__BEEEP BEEP!
04:50.25fredlis that a question hopper_irc?
04:50.38capricornmalathi, try microsoft support center instead
04:50.58hopper_ircfredl: sorry
04:51.15malathicapricorn: i can't get?
04:51.28hopper_ircfredl: how can I install eclipse 3.5 in debian lenny
04:51.42hopper_ircfredl: this is the question
04:52.11hopper_ircfredl: I downloaded all the part of eclipse 3.5
04:52.18capricornmalathi, have you been here? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests
04:52.23fredlhopper_irc, I haven't tried that myself yet, but I've tried installing it on my Ubuntu desktop before and the best solution IMO is to simply download eclipse and install it in your homedir.
04:52.27hopper_ircfredl: but can not combine them
04:52.50hopper_irchmm
04:53.04fredlfor Ubuntu there's a package I think but it's usually way out of date.
04:53.40hopper_ircfredl: but I have to install each program individually
04:54.23hopper_ircfredl: I want a single executable object which will run all the file
04:54.29fredlfor eclipse? I thought you could only install one tarfile if memory serves me correctly.
04:54.32hopper_ircfredl: thanks any
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04:54.54fredlit's been a while since I set it up on my laptop and I'm getting a bit senile....
04:55.20fredlbut I remember installing it manually to be a breeze compared to trying to get Ubuntu's package dependencies right.
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04:56.01Juzzyive never had problems with ub depos
04:56.37fredlJuzzy - well for eclipse they're out of date.
04:56.52fredlI had to install eclipse to do Android development
04:58.45Tapout??lvm
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05:06.04fredlis that a question Tapout?
05:06.38bullgard4'~$ apt-cache show ekiga' list a Maintainer and a Original Maintainer. What is the difference?
05:06.52bullgard4s/list/lists/
05:07.37Tapoutfredl, negative
05:07.38Tapout:)
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05:19.21fredlofftopic: does anybody know if Windows 7 beta had also been released for 64 bit?
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05:20.04jmarsdenfredl: Ask in ##windows
05:20.05Juzzyyes
05:20.13Juzzyso has the RTM
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05:20.39fredljmarsden - I feel uncomfortable around windows folks.
05:20.39Juzzywindows 7 is actually a nice os, oddly enough
05:21.06fredlJuzzy - I want to be unbiased and give it a try.
05:21.08zerothismust sleep
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05:21.31Juzzyfredl: you wont be disappointed
05:21.44Juzzyit is actually what vista should have been
05:22.10bpunJuzzy, u wanna go to #windows?
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05:22.19Juzzyi want to go to bed
05:22.28bpunJuzzy, good.. go sleep windows boy
05:22.33Juzzyfor give us for breaking the midnight silence
05:22.49Juzzybpun: lol you have no idea
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05:26.26jmarsdenbullgard4: I believe Original Maintainer is the Debian maintainer of the parent package, Maintainer is the guy for the Ubuntu derivative package.  I have not seen Original Maintainer in a Debian package... are you sure you are running Debian?
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05:28.03Juzzyany of you guys doing anything "different" with puppet?
05:28.09bullgard4jmarsden: Thank you for explaining. --  No, I was referring to an Ubuntu package.
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05:28.16Juzzyor "cool" ?
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05:28.37bpunbullgard, why do you like coming here? seems to me its not the first time you're saying "ubuntu"
05:28.53bpunbullgard4, and how many times are you logged in?
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05:29.06bpun4-5 times?
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05:30.02bullgard4bpun: I understand that you hate Ubuntu. Its time to see a psychologist.
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05:31.09freedrullanyone know how to install the nonfree version of libglut? :D
05:31.17fredlI'd have to agree even though I sometimes violate the 'rule' myself.
05:32.17bpunfreedrull, there's a nonfree edition?
05:32.29raz0freedrull, why not just use freeglut?
05:33.14bpunfreedrull, libglut3 has been replaced by freeglut3
05:34.24freedrullthis package i downloaded compiled on a machine running another distro, but not on my debian one, so i thought that might be the problem
05:34.53bpunfreedrull, so why be an idiot? i just told you the name of the package..
05:35.02bpunfreedrull, just a simple apt-get install freeglut3
05:35.24bpunfreedrull, anything non-debian sucks.. get it thru ur dam newbie head!!
05:35.29bpunis very angry
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05:35.53dserbanany of you know how I can stop the kernel from auto loading the agpgart module on my box?  I've tried blacklisting it, doesn't work.  Still loads it
05:36.01freedrulllol
05:38.13jmarsdendserban: Blacklisting should be the way forward there.  See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507955#10 for what sounds like a similar kind of isse that blacklisting fixed.
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05:39.31Vrathafreedrull: Thats a likely problem. Different machines will compile bins against different versions of a lib
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05:40.01dserbanseems that I need to add agp=off to the kernel commandline as it auto loads the module
05:40.53VrathaGoodnight.
05:40.58flourish_can someone tell me the tools to detect SCSI raid status in debian system
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05:42.55jmarsdenflourish_: for software RAID cat /proc/mdstat .  For hardware RAID I am not sure there is a single tool across all RAID hardware, it is probably driver dependent?  See http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins
05:43.25flourish_jmarsden: thanks
05:43.31jmarsdenNo problem
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05:46.52dserbanjmarsden, well it seems that the guy in that bug report is lucky :) It still gets loaded with those two entries in blacklist.conf.  :(
05:47.58dserbanis there an update-anything to get this thing to register?  or do I need to update-initramfs?
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05:49.35jmarsdendserban: That's ... strange!  I'm not a real expert on that issue... update-initramfs is unlikely to hurt, but from what I have read it shouldn't be needed, either.
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05:50.23dserbanjmarsden, hmm this one's an odd one...  I don't understand it myself.
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05:50.48jmarsdendserban: You could check the blacklist.conf for any typos or accidental control characters or whatever that might confuse the code that reads it.
05:51.01dserbanI have :(.  Nothin'
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05:51.15simonrvn!blacklist-initramfs
05:51.15dpkgIf your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table.  Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
05:51.25simonrvndserban: try ^^^
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05:54.49dserbansimonrvn, hmm where would have I found that info?  Heh.
05:55.35dserbanI like helping myself, google failed me on that one.
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06:01.23breedxrunning sid, trying to upgrade a 2+ year old install...somehow ldconfig is missing, not in /sbin, and libc updates are hurting.  ideas?
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06:04.07jmarsdendserban: Well, I suppose http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=blacklist&term=key :)
06:04.32jmarsdenBut it does seem odd that dpkg is the only one who knows something like this!
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06:06.08dserbanjmarsden, heh
06:06.20dserbansimonrvn, jmarsden thanks for your help.  It works!
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06:26.31liable!qotd0
06:26.31dpkg<nevyn_> lazybone: DIE <lazybone> nevyn_: What is DIE?
06:29.26cydorkliable: die!!
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06:32.27liablecydork: i will! i'm just killing myself slowly with beer. :)
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06:36.15AngevinWhat is the size of the generic stock Debian kernel binary in the stable version of Debian ? (I'm not a Debian or Linux user hence the question)
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06:37.16Angevinls -lh /path/to/kernel or /exec -o ls -lh /path/to/kernel or /exec ls -lh /path/to/kernel (some irc clients allow for exec)
06:37.27Angevinthe former will need to be cut and pasted
06:37.35Angevinthe latter two don't
06:38.32Angevinwatches tumbleweeds blow by in this ghost town
06:39.08jelly-homeAngevin: why do you ask?  To boot one needs kernel + initrd image
06:39.32Angevinjelly-home Linus Torvalds officially called the Linux kernel bloated on the 22nd of this month
06:39.35jelly-homealso, both images are compressed by default
06:39.58Angevinjelly oh they are compressed ? Then obviously I want their uncompressed binary size or whatever
06:40.06liableused to be around 20 odd MB iirc
06:40.38liableall the modules are in /lib anyway
06:41.02Angevinliable wow my NetBSD kernel is currently 4.1 MB and and the stock i386 GENERIC NetBSD kernel is 11 MB
06:41.03jelly-homeAngevin: the number itself won't mean much without knowing its change over time, and the number of features supported
06:41.14AngevinNetBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 5.0.1 NetBSD 5.0.1 (PLANTAGENESTA) #4: Mon Sep 21 13:46:36 EST 2009  kfb@blackhole.earthlink.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/PLANTAGENESTA i386
06:41.24AngevinPLANTAGENESTA is my own custom compiled kernel name
06:41.39liablewhat does it matter anyway?
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06:42.29Angevinliable I consider Ubuntu, SuSe , Fedora etc.. etc.. to be bloated pigs but now Linus is even calling the linux kernel itself bloated too -- this is priceless since I hate linux and linux users
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06:42.46jelly-homeAngevin: have fun.
06:43.04liableok, so go to #netbsd then and laugh at us there..
06:43.05Angevinhehe I'm exercising much constraint here but not flaming you guys actually
06:43.16jelly-homecall back when you have a support question :-)
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06:44.13cydorkdamn trolls..
06:44.14Angevinjelly-home I don't ever have support questions because I know what I am doing
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06:44.37jelly-homeAngevin: then you're in wrong place, this is a support channel
06:45.01AngevinJelly-home yeah well I don't have anything else to talk about really since you guys already answered my question
06:45.26Angevin20 MB not including modules
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06:45.54jelly-homethat's as good a number as any, yeah
06:46.31jelly-homedoesn't even know how to get vmlinux size from a bzImage
06:46.32liableactually, my vmlinuz's are at most 2MB
06:46.52liableinitrd's about 7-8
06:47.08cydorkAngevin: i suggest you join ##linux..
06:47.11Angevinvmlinuz is a compressed image though right ?
06:47.16Angevincydork yeah good point
06:47.24jelly-homebut he's asking about uncompressed, and he's not aware most of the size increase over time is in the sheer number of drivers
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06:48.11jelly-homeand that's _not_ what Linus was thinking of, so these numbers are generally useless
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06:48.55cydorknods.. and shrugs..
06:49.25Angevinactually I get banned from ##linx usually for flaming people cydork
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06:49.55Angevinmassive n00bs and newschool linux users (post-90s) all clueless tards
06:49.56rdzhi all. i just upgrade my debian lenny and since reboot,  xchat won't log in to any server anymore, it says: 'connecting to goo. connected, now logging in...' and there it stalls
06:50.04maxagazhow to add a user to group ?
06:50.13rdzhas anybody else experienced this issue?
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06:50.51liablegood, i thought that would turn inevitably nasty..
06:50.58liablemaxagaz: man adduser
06:51.02rdzmaxagaz, adduser username groupname
06:51.14liablerdz: is its net connection ok?
06:51.53rdzliable, i can ping irc.freenode,net from that machine, if you mean that
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06:52.25rdzxchat seems to find the server, but doesn't talk to it
06:52.27liablerdz: try moving xchats dotfiles and try again
06:52.39rdzliable, good idea.. thanks
06:53.10liablei hate citrix..
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06:53.51rdzliable, you mean the software?
06:54.03liableyeah, we have it at work.
06:54.27rdzliable, now it stalls, where it says: "*** Looking up your hostname..."
06:54.47liableipv6 lookup delays?
06:55.04rdzliable, we too.. i hate it probably as much as you hate it. luckily enough, i am not in charge of it :-)
06:55.26rdzliable, aah.... how could i disable ipv6 at all?
06:55.34liable!noipv6
06:55.34dpkgnoipv6 is probably echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409
06:55.55rdzliable, many thanks
06:55.59liableyw
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07:02.13factorI am using testing and I cant find kde office presenter
07:02.20factoris it now kpresenter
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07:11.24rdzliable, how can i test, whether my box is still using ipv6 or ipv4?
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07:12.10liablerdz: see if the module is loaded, also a sniffer will show if its trying to do ipv6 lookups
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07:16.47rdzit says: connecting to chat.freenode.net (216.155.130.130) port 6667.
07:16.57rdzso i guess, it is using IPv4
07:17.03rdzbut still the same problem
07:17.09liablelooks like its done the lookup fine
07:17.23liabledoes irssi work?
07:17.29rdzthe line where it hangs says: Connected. Now logging in..
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07:19.06rdznope.. doesn't work either
07:19.27rdzrgh.. this is annoying.. why should an upgrade cause that..??
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07:19.38liablewhen you say logging in, is it trying to identify to nickserv?
07:19.59rdzirssi stops at: !irc.freenode.net *** Looking up your hostname...
07:20.20liablehave you got firewall software on that box?
07:20.31WormFoodwhat in the fuck does it take to make a custom kernel work with debian? holy shit! this is my 7th try....I've never had this much problem compiling and installing a kernel for debian. I have followed the debian way with make-kpkg and all that shit....still won't work no matter what I do.
07:20.47rdzliable, no.. and it just worked 15minutes ago before i rebooted
07:20.57liablejust build in the right modules, or build an initrd..
07:21.39WormFoodit has the same modules as before. I told make-kpkg to make kernel_image and modules_image
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07:22.00liabletell it to make --initrd
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07:22.22WormFoodI tried it with and without initrd (of course, making the modules for boot monolithic)
07:22.33WormFoodI usually use --initrd...still can't get it to work
07:24.00WormFoodwhat is this CONCURRENCY_LEVEL crap it always complains about, because I set my MAKEFLAGS to -j4....is CONCURRENCY_LEVEL a new setting for make or is that something unique to make-kpkg?
07:24.33liablethats a make-kpkg setting
07:24.50factorWill stable koffice work with debian testing?
07:24.56WormFoodthat is what I was afraid of....frustrating
07:25.29liablefactor: should work if you can install it without dependancy problems i would think
07:25.43factorThanks wanted to ask before I try it
07:27.33WormFoodI copy .config from my old (working) kernel, to my new kernel directory, and do a "make oldconfig", making the suitable choices....then make-kpkg --revision=something --initrd kernel_image modules_image, and install the resulting kernel, reboot, and watch my caps-lock and scroll-lock LEDs flash
07:28.38WormFoodit does make a superb LED flasher...but that seems to be about it.
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07:31.05WormFoodliable, thanks for your effort in helping, even tho I've tried everything you suggest (I've been building Linux kernels from source for close to 15 years....don't know why I can't get this one to work)
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07:32.12liableWormFood: if leds are flashing, its an oops i suppose. I'm not sure what to suggest other than seeing if not using the debian config if its vanilla source (debians kernels are heavily patched)
07:32.41liablei wouldn't have thought it would cause an oops though
07:33.00liablemaybe its buggy source.. is it bleeding?
07:33.10WormFoodwell, I did use the .config from the debian kernel....shouldn't cause it to oops
07:33.16WormFoodI wouldn't expect so
07:33.29WormFoodnothing special, just the latest stable..2.6.31
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07:34.08WormFoodcan't you get the .config from a running kernel, if the kernel has been compiled with the right option?
07:34.22liableyep, in /proc or /sys
07:34.29liablecan't remember which
07:34.35WormFoodoh yeah...I want to say /proc
07:35.14liablesay it!
07:35.32liableproc baby.. yeah!
07:35.35WormFood为什么？
07:35.52WormFoodnot just proc, but "/proc"! :P
07:35.56void_pointersay it loud and say it proud
07:36.00void_pointeryou're proc you're proud
07:36.08WormFoodI am sofa king we tall did!
07:37.41void_pointerMaybe you should get a better system if your kernel compiles are taking 15 years. That's quite a long time.
07:37.47liablereading that made my brain hurt
07:37.48WormFoodif it don't work this time, then I'll try with a clean .config file, and start 100% from scratch
07:38.09WormFoodliable, say it out loud, as if you were mentally challenged (retarded)
07:38.34void_pointerso fucking retarded
07:38.43void_pointeroh. I typed it out loud ...
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07:38.52liableoh right..
07:39.02liable!lart WormFood
07:39.02dpkgwallops WormFood with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long
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07:41.17WormFoodsofa king is great store to buy a sofa from
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07:41.31WormFoodtheir products are sofa king great, and the prices are sofa king low
07:41.36zrinfor lenny with 2.6.30-bpo.2 - what is the difference between mkfs.ext4dev and mkfs.ext4?
07:41.54factorOk added stable back to debian and it got kpresenter working just fine
07:41.54liablezrin: check the man page
07:42.08factorso I can use my remote control working with it, via DCOP
07:42.16WormFoodzrin, mkfs.ext4dev creates a black hole, that your computer is sucked into, so I suggest you avoid that one
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07:42.44zrinWormFood: thank you :)
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07:43.28WormFoodreally, I don't know what the difference is, but I'd expect that "dev" has more developer type things...maybe extra warnings, and debug messages, or maybe just extra symbols
07:44.45zrinliable: the man page mentions ext4dev only within test_fs extended option description
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07:45.30hanibanahi all
07:45.46WormFood你好 hanibana
07:45.53Arrowmasterno dev ment it was the 'ext4dev' file system which is a development version available for testing but not under the 'ext4' name so that people dont think its stable and ready for use
07:46.09zrinman mkfs.ext4dev ... "mke2fs - create an ext2/ext3 filesystem"
07:46.11hanibana?
07:46.41hanibanahi all
07:46.49hanibanaI want to mount a tmpfs file system to be used by an application. The problem is that the application runs as a specific userid (not root) and so I want to give write permission to only that user on mounted tmpfs file system. But, I read tmpfs options from mount man page and it haven't any user/group option, just "mode" option to set initail permissions. is there any solution other than changing permission by chmod on startup or using sticky bit?
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07:47.56WormFoodwhy do you want to limit it to only that user?
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07:48.52zrinhanibana: mode 1777, then create a directory in it
07:48.56WormFoodok, what the fuck? I told it I wanted an initrd, and it does not install an initrd
07:49.15WormFoodis there an extra step I need to make to make initrd work?
07:50.02WormFoodjesus fuckin' christ, I fuckin' hate this shit!
07:50.35WormFoodit would be nice if it worked, but since it does not work, I don't know what the hell I'm fighting with to make it work....is it the debian make-kpkg or the kernel itself?
07:51.39hanibanazrin: thanks, good point :)
07:52.40thneehttp://pastebin.com/d63903d44  is my debian broken when the apt scripts dont work?
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07:58.05WormFoodthis cock suckin' shit isn't making my god damn initrd!
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07:59.23TapoutWormFood, pass the --initrd to the fakeroot make-kpkg
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08:00.11WormFoodI'm not using fakeroot
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08:00.58Tapoutdoes your make-kpkg accept --initrd ?
08:01.04WormFoodyes
08:01.22WormFoodI read the man page, and trace it to the scripts it runs, and run those scripts manually
08:01.33TapoutI did this last night... following a guide, it was a matter of like 5 lines, and boom done
08:01.36liableWormFood: it didnt make the .deb? the initrd is a seperate package iirc
08:01.40Tapoutproduced *.deb's .. and I installed them
08:02.53WormFoodyes, make-kpkg made a deb
08:02.56WormFooda single deb
08:03.04WormFoodthat should have the initrd in it
08:03.13WormFoodafter all, it is useless without the initrd
08:03.36liablewell, build in the needed shit, and do away with the initrd..
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08:04.15TapoutWormFood, ah well, this worked ; http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45052   <-- middle of the page
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08:04.52Tapoutmy only purpose was to enable CONFIG_HZ_1000
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08:06.10WormFoodyeah, that is one of the things I'm changing too
08:06.24WormFoodbut I'm changing more than just that....removing a LOT of crap I'll never use
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08:06.37WormFoodthanks for the url Tapout, I'll check it out
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08:06.53liableahah, removing what crap?
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08:07.03paxedfor some reason the end, page down and cursor down -keys don't work in X. xev shows no keycodes for them either. help?
08:07.03liableyou said you just copied over the config!
08:08.02OpenTokixVi fryser varje höst. Så länge vi bott här har vi påpekat problemet. Tunabyggen säger att systemet är datastyrt och därför inte går att åtgärda. Man blir ju galen. Man borde väl byta ett system som inte fungerar, säger Inger.
08:08.07OpenTokixsorry
08:08.21WormFoodyeah, I edited the config....remove crap like network drivers I don't have, video drivers, video tuners (dvb too...I have a dvb card at home, in usa, but not here)....I just remove anything I'm 99% sure I'll never use
08:08.21liablewhats that? SA?
08:08.35liableafricaans or something?
08:08.37WormFoodOpenTokix, 你会说英文吗？
08:08.48paxedoh. nevermind. xbindkeys has done something weird, as killing that process enables the keys.
08:09.03OpenTokixliable, WormFood: swedish
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08:09.54OpenTokixliable, WormFood: Someone complaining about cold in their apartment. And the company said it was controlled by computers and they can't do anything. So its basically a irl version of "Computer says no"
08:10.06liablehah
08:10.23liablei love that skit in LB
08:10.28WormFood我明白了
08:10.28OpenTokixyeah
08:10.28TapoutI can't turn down the music, it's controlled by computers
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08:11.19WormFoodI remember hearing about some bug with a computer controlled car, where it locked the doors with no A/C, and the occupants were baked (not the good, 420 kind of baked either)
08:12.00aspWorkhi guys, due to running refit i am using lilo, and i have just upgrade to the 2.6.30 kernel, but lilo keeps on booting the 2.6.29 one? when i look in the lilo.conf it points to initrd.img, but looking in my boot dir there is no symlink to the kernel, am i missing something? is there a option for lilo like grubs update-menu
08:12.20WormFoodwhen windows controls your car, and drives your car for you, the expression "windows has crashed" will have a whole new meaning
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08:16.11echosystmis there any way to get the ubuntu gtk theme/engine in debian?
08:16.28echosystmit seems to have better support of swing apps than clearlooks and so on
08:17.20AndorinDo you guys know of any way to achieve window transparency in Debian?
08:17.21liableanyone noticed grub2 seems to speed up boot? or is the upstart thing has hit sid already?
08:17.26AndorinI know you could do it in Ubuntu under Compiz...
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08:17.51aspWorksimon: just the bin? where is it located?
08:17.55liableAndorin: debian has all that stuff now too. depends on your DE/WM
08:18.06AndorinDE/WM?
08:18.20liabledesktop environment/window manager..
08:18.37aspWorkfound it, here we go
08:19.00AndorinGNOME for desktop environment. Window manager? I'm not sure...
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08:20.48capricornAndorin, you can do it in GNOME assuming you didn't change window manager (and if you say that you're not sure, then it's likely so)
08:20.55AndorinProbably./
08:21.04WormFoodTapout, funny, I had already done what they said on that web page....that is the only way I could make it work.... I don't know why they fuckin' broke the build system.
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08:21.06capricornAndorin, first you need to enable composite extensions in xorg.conf
08:21.22AndorinOkay. What's the directory for this xorg.conf?
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08:22.46capricornAndorin, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf you need to define new section "Extensions" (if it isn't there) and then put Option "Composite" "Enable" in it
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08:23.15kim0Hi Folks, can some please tell me, why I see 2 debs (linux-headers-xxx) and (linux-headers-xxx-generic) ?
08:23.23kim0what's the difference
08:23.40capricornAndorin, then you need to open Gnome configuration tool (in Applications->System menu) and go to /apps/metacity/general
08:24.04AndorinOkay, give me a sec.
08:24.20AndorinIs this how it should be written?
08:24.21AndorinSection "Extensions"
08:24.21echosystmive found gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks
08:24.21AndorinOption"Composite""enable"
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08:24.25echosystmbut where is the gtk themes?
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08:24.38henry-nicolasHello everybody, I just would like to know what I have to do to configure the shell under lenny in order to change the tab name when I connect to my system using ssh (eg. the tab name change to user@hostname:/pwd), any idea ?
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08:24.48capricornAndorin, There you'll find 'compositing_manager' switch. Set it. And don't forget to restart X after you added new options to xorg.conf. Yep, that's exactly how it should look
08:24.54AndorinSweet.
08:25.42liablekim0: ask in #ubuntu
08:25.42kim0liable: ok
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08:25.42echosystmanyone? gtk2 themes plz?
08:25.42WormFoodhenry-nicolas, look in your ~/.bash_rc and ~/.bash_profile
08:25.42WormFooder, I mean ~/.bashrc
08:25.52AndorinOkay, restarting x.
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08:27.08AndorinAlright, X restarted. So I've ticked the compositing_manager box, too. Now how do I edit transparency?
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08:27.27liablelook in its options..
08:27.48liablewe dont do hand holding to minutae
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08:28.12void_pointerunless you are female, or can do a good impression
08:28.23henry-nicolasWormFood: I did change my /etc/bash.bashrc to uncomment PROMPT_COMMAND switch but it isn't working
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08:29.20AndorinYeah, except I've never heard of the compositing manager and don't know where to look for its options. I'm hunting, tho.
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08:29.58capricornAndorin, any Gnome window that supports transparency (terminal, for instance) already got it. If you need transparency for just any window I assume you'll need something more sophisticated like compiz
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08:30.34AndorinThen why was I told that Debian could do it now? o_0
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08:31.18ykphuahwhat's a good markup language that can create simple diagrams?
08:31.24capricornAndorin, probably it's because it has little to do with the distro as a whole.
08:31.39AndorinAlright. I was just curious as to whether it's possible. It's not really a big deal.
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08:32.29capricornAndorin, yes, it's possible. In what degree - it depends only on software you use
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08:32.41AndorinFair enough.
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08:33.31AndorinI just discovered how to really customize my panels- moving/adding panel apps, adding transparency, etc. I figured that while I'm tweaking my GUI anyway I'd look into window options.
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08:34.47capricornAndorin, good luck
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08:41.34echosystmive just downloaded murrine + themes from the repo
08:41.40echosystmbut it doesnt come up in gnome
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08:41.49echosystmthe appearance manager just has the stock themes
08:42.00echosystmcan someone help me?
08:42.52shrewd1ATHEROS 5008, just installed into my system, comes up in lspci but it's just not working, anyone know what's going on? which logs i should check ?
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08:46.38WormFoodhenry-nicolas, did you try PS1?
08:47.01valdynshrewd1: dmesg
08:47.07maxagazhow to get the name of a machine from its ip address ?
08:47.27WormFoodmaxagaz, strictly speaking, you can't
08:47.28valdynmaxagaz: host <ip>
08:47.34WormFoodmaxagaz, it depends on dns
08:47.45WormFoodone IP can have many host names associated with it
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08:49.06maxagazvaldyn, host doesn't give me the hostname
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08:49.37WormFoodif you want the name for 209.191.93.53 do a "dig ptr 53.93.191.209.in-addr.arpa.", for example
08:49.41maxagazto get this info, i ssh on the machine and leave it then
08:50.03petemcdig -x 209.191.93.53 ?
08:50.36WormFoodyeah, that works too
08:50.48WormFoodI was doing it "the old fashioned way" ;)
08:51.04WormFoodwhat I originally said, is what -x does internally
08:51.06maxagazit doesn't work for me
08:51.17WormFoodthen there is no name associated with that IP
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08:51.25WormFoodOR...it is not routed to the right server
08:51.28henry-nicolasWormFood: PS1 is set to '${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
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08:51.35shrewdvaldyn: checked there... nothing that seems relevant
08:51.41WormFoodif there is a dns server on that network, you can try to query that dns server directly
08:52.01WormFoodyes henry-nicolas, that is correct....feel free to change it
08:52.14maxagazWormFood, that's true
08:52.36maxagazWormFood, but i want the hostname of the machine, not its cname
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08:53.08WormFoodyou want everything, don't you?
08:53.10henry-nicolasWormFood: of course, but do you have any idea about what should I use in other to make that information appear as a title on my gnome-terminal tab when I connect using ssh ?
08:53.22WormFoodPS1=`hostname`
08:53.51WormFoodno, I don't know how to make that change for gnome-terminal....did you try reading the gnome-terminal docs?
08:54.21WormFoodmaxagaz, the hostname is internal to that machine
08:54.30WormFoodit may or may not match its dns name
08:54.44shrewdi've just installed this atheros 5008 card, and it's listed in lspci, but i don't see anything related to it coming up in dmesg
08:54.44krautmoin
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08:54.52WormFoodthe command "hostname" will tell you what the host name is :P
08:55.07WormFoodshrewd, did you load the module for that hardware?
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08:55.32shrewdi'm a bit of a noob with this but i did try "modprobe ath9k"
08:55.49valdynshrewd: that just means that reverse dns for that box is not set up
08:56.09valdynshrewd: but you dont need this feature anyway so why bother
08:56.17shrewdpardon?
08:56.33shrewdreverse DNS ?
08:57.01shrewdi'm trying to figure out why my atheros 5008 isn't working on linux
08:57.12valdynshrewd: and i was talking about your dns problem above
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08:57.36valdynshrewd: your card should be ath5k, not 9k
08:57.43shrewdsure it wasn't someone else?
08:57.52valdynshrewd: but modprobe should not be needed
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08:57.58valdynshrewd: yea, it was, sorry
08:57.58shrewdi agree
08:58.04valdynshrewd: so check your dmesg
08:58.16shrewdmodprobe shouldn't be needed thats why i'm so confused
08:58.26shrewdyeah i've taken a look in there
08:58.32shrewdnothing stands out to me
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08:58.46valdynshrewd: replug that device , then check dmesg again
08:58.56shrewdit's mini pcie
08:59.01shrewdi could
08:59.04shrewdi suppose
08:59.07valdynshrewd: ok, get the pci id then
08:59.14shrewdhold up
08:59.33shrewdlspci give that to you?
08:59.37valdynshrewd: i dont think you should hotplug mini pcie
08:59.45valdynshrewd: lscpi / lspci -n
08:59.45shrewdno lol
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09:00.05shrewd05:00.0 0200: 168c:ff1c (rev 01)
09:00.13valdynjudd: pciid
09:00.14juddvaldyn: (pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]".
09:00.24valdynjudd: pciid 168c:ff1c
09:00.25juddvaldyn: [168c:ff1c] is 'AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:ff1c
09:00.45shrewdthat's interesting
09:00.57shrewdwhat does this mean?
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09:01.22valdynshrewd: it means that neither lenny nor sid support his device according to judd
09:01.30valdynshrewd: but judds db might be outdated
09:01.54shrewdthis is crazy,
09:02.02shrewdmust be because i got it on ebay :(
09:02.12shrewdar5008 is definately supported
09:02.27valdyn!kmuto
09:02.27dpkgFor Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ .  The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
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09:02.35valdyn!which driver
09:02.35dpkgTo work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .  To determine the driver currently associated with an existing network interface: grep PHYSDEVDRIVER /sys/class/net/*/uevent
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09:03.30valdynshrewd: ebay does not imply that its more than 3 months old
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09:04.26shrewdthe AR5008 has been in the last few macbook pros and is quite a common card, it's been around for a while
09:04.55valdynshrewd: 2.6.30 does not have a driver
09:05.12shrewdfor my specific AR5008 ?
09:05.32shrewdit must be an engineering sample or something i don't understand
09:05.35valdynshrewd: for the deviec with the pci id you gave me
09:06.20adb!AR5008
09:06.20dpkg[madwifi] the legacy <non-free> driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets.  To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <madwifi-install> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci .  NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask about <zd1211rw>.  http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support  #madwifi on irc.freenode.net.  Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k>.
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09:06.35simplechatjust as a question, is there any useful package for clojure in debian?
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09:07.01void_pointerI shot the sheriff, but I only slapped the deputy.
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09:07.11shrewdwhat does all that mean about the AR5008 ?
09:07.33shrewdis it not supported?
09:07.37valdynshrewd: fyi, we are just googling and such, you can do that too
09:07.50shrewdthanks,
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09:09.06WormFoodI can't for the life of me get this motherfucker to boot without initfs
09:09.54dsl_hi all. I have dsl installed, which is using debian woody for its apt repositories. I'm trying to install dosemu with freedos, but I get an eror message regarding freedos license. any idea how could I bypass the license problem?
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09:11.14adbdsl_, cat /etc/debian_version , says ?
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09:11.43dsl_adb: testing unstable
09:12.07adband , uname -r ?
09:12.29dsl_2.4.31
09:12.43shrewdguys i think i'm stuffed RE: my atheros 5008. there's nothing on google, just people in various stages of it actually working
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09:14.40adbdsl_, have to upgrade to  etch
09:15.13dsl_adb: will do, how ?
09:15.17adbdsl_,     /msg dpkg woody sources.list
09:15.43jellydsl_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ?
09:16.01dsl_no such file or directory
09:16.13dsl_jelly, no such file or directory
09:16.36jellydsl_: huh?  There's no dpkg command?
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09:16.54dsl_jelly, one moment
09:17.15dsl_jelly, libc6          2.3.2.ds1-10   GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
09:18.13jellydsl_: ok.  That looks like Debian 3.1 (sarge)
09:18.42jelly!sarge->etch
09:18.49jellydpkg: you
09:18.49dpkghmm... dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg".  Also ask me about <reference>.  The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
09:19.02jelly...are alive.
09:19.21dsl_jelly, was all that for me?
09:19.27adbdsl_,  /msg dpkg sarge->etch
09:19.42jellydsl_: that was just me checking dpkg actually has some instructions for you
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09:20.29dsl_adb: I don't get your command. the /msg thing isn't from irc?
09:20.57jellydsl_: that is an irc command.  do it and dpkg will privately send you some instructions
09:21.13jelly(possibly in another tab)
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09:21.18dsl_jelly, I see!
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09:21.35valdynto bad he's gone as that card has some support
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09:22.36dsl_The following packages have unmet dependencies:  aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2
09:22.58dsl_adb, this is what I got when trying to install aptitude
09:23.11valdynjudd: versions libc6
09:23.11juddvaldyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-26
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09:23.49liabledsl_: so, what distro are you using?
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09:23.59dsl_liable: dsl
09:24.08dsl_liable: damn small linux
09:24.10liabledsl_: so head over to #dsl..
09:24.23valdyndsl_: dsl with woody does not make sense
09:24.35liableactually its, #damnsmalllinux iirx
09:24.40liableiirc..
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09:26.03dsl_another question then. I'm willing to install debian on it, but I need it as compact as it can get since this computer has only 366 Mhz and 256 Ram, also X is optional. Can I do this with a debian live cd, or smething?
09:26.22valdyn!netinstall
09:26.22dpkghmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian.  If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/  See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
09:26.23liable256 ram is heaps enough
09:26.30c0nfl|ctBom dia
09:26.52g0bl1nhi, is there a real need for a swap partition, or can it be done in the main partition ?
09:27.08liableg0bl1n: you can mount a swap file for swap
09:27.20liableif you chose..
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09:27.31g0bl1nliable: yes, and what about performance ?
09:27.36g0bl1nis it worst ?
09:27.42liablejust cant hibernate.. (well i think tuxonice might be able to these days)
09:27.55liableg0bl1n: if you are using swap, it sucks anyway..
09:27.56valdyng0bl1n: swap is so slow, that tiny hit is probably irrelevant
09:28.28g0bl1nliable... what if one has an SSD ? :) suck a little less :)
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09:28.41liablea tiny bit.. maybe
09:29.11g0bl1nwhat about the 2xRAM measure ? is there a specific why ?
09:29.13g0bl1nreason ?
09:29.16liablessd's are frequently on usb bus, so likely worse :P
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09:30.00liableg0bl1n: google for a years worth of reading on the accepted size of swap :)
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09:30.06g0bl1nlol
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09:30.35g0bl1nliable:
09:30.43liableyes?
09:30.45g0bl1nliable: I refuse to waste more time on that :)
09:30.50liablegood
09:31.12g0bl1non a 12GB machine, for desktop usage, is swap needed ?
09:31.15g0bl1n12GB RAM
09:31.21liableshit no
09:31.44liableunless you do video editing or something
09:31.45shylenthm, what is the difference between apt-get autoremove and default behaviour of aptitude (remove unneccessary autoinstalled packages)? Except from the fact, that you have to launch apt-get autoremove explicitly, of course
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09:32.00g0bl1nbut... if it's there, won't slow down anything, right ? just won't be used by the os, right ?
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09:32.13shylentno, it won't hurt, the swap I mean
09:32.16liableg0bl1n: coorect, it doesnt hurt to have it
09:32.17g0bl1nok
09:32.19g0bl1nty
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09:37.19valdynshylent: apt-get autoremove applies to /var/cache/apt/archives/, not your system's installed packages
09:37.39valdynshylent: err ops
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09:37.46shylentreally.
09:37.55valdynshylent: no, i think i got confused
09:38.07shylentyeah, I hope so
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09:38.19shylentbecause otherwise, it is me who is confused :)
09:38.23valdynshylent: i cant see a difference
09:38.30liableoooh
09:38.37liable!confuse shylent
09:38.37dpkgNo, those is our pineapple today, shylent?  Trousers of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra herring.
09:38.52valdynshylent: i dont know how and if apt-get and aptitude share the db for this now or if they dont
09:38.54belihi there....what methodes are there to chroot ssh users?
09:39.31shylentI was told that apt-get and aptitude do not share the database and that it is not a great idea to use both at the same time
09:39.34liablebeli: fuck all, except scponly really. ssh jails are hard
09:39.45liable!be a sshjail barbie
09:39.45dpkgAww, sshjail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable
09:40.07liableshylent: thats true
09:40.39liableaptitude will go bananas sometimes, removing shit if you have been using apt-get
09:40.59shylentbut if they don't share a database, how was I able to start using aptitude on a system after using apt-get for half a year? nothing broke (well, I think)
09:41.06shylentthat's the question
09:41.13valdynshylent: they share a database
09:41.39valdynshylent: but they do not share the extra database that stores if a package is automatically installed as a dependency or not
09:41.56shylentnow I see
09:42.14liableshylent: i have found, the easiest way around it is to purge aptitude (removes the DB) then reinstall it and use it. But it loses all the automatically installed packages bits
09:43.48ribasushihuh?
09:43.58liablewut?
09:44.01ribasushiapt-get install XX sets properly "auto-installed" bits
09:44.13Roksteadyis aptitude the future or not?
09:44.16ribasushigive it a shot with any dependent package
09:44.25valdynribasushi: we were wondering if it sets it in the *same* database as aptitude
09:44.47ribasushivaldyn: I just did this 10 minutes ago
09:44.47themilltias! (it does for everything except "forbid-version" and "hold")
09:44.52ribasushiapt-get install dstat
09:44.53valdynRoksteady: both packages are actively developed
09:44.58ribasushiwhich pulls nasty python crap
09:45.00ribasushiopen aptitude
09:45.03ribasushifind python
09:45.03liableapt has had some work recently too, so our thoughts may not be entirely correct these days.
09:45.07ribasushibam - it has the A on it
09:45.32valdynribasushi: thats post lenny though, is it?
09:45.41themillA lot of the features of aptitude have been pushed into libapt from lenny onwards.
09:45.44ribasushidunno let me try on a lenny
09:45.49beliso no ideas on jailing ssh users?
09:46.06liableribasushi: if you are proclaming to be a libapt expert, then go ahead and tell shylent all about it :P
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09:46.28liablebeli: i told you. you no listen. scponly is the only easy way.
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09:47.32beliliable: i listen, but you did just tell its hard...not howto do it.....sftp is easy, yes...but i need it for the shell
09:48.01beliliable: i am thinking of building statical shell like busybox
09:48.26liablebeli: why is a normal ssh account not good enough?
09:48.55ribasushithere: http://pastebin.com/m341bf6e1
09:49.02majhoolwpa_supplicant does not allow me to address virtual interfaces specified by id_str clauses; for example, with iface default inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces, ifup default fails
09:49.15ribasushiliable: I don't proclaim anything, I just know what I see :)
09:49.25ribasushivaldyn: ^^ the pastebin
09:49.28majhoolwhere might there be a misconfiguration?
09:49.30beliliable: all you can do about security is usefull....nothing todo with good or bad
09:50.44liablemajhool: default in interfaces is actually really meant for open networks. ie, inet dhcp and no passphrase.
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09:51.31liablemajhool: you cant use "default" as an argument to ifup, its just a stanza for its config, you want ifup wifi0 (or whatever your wifi is)
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09:51.55liablemajhool: take a look at the docs for wpasupplicant, in /usr/share/doc, they are pretty good
09:51.57majhoolliable: so then the selection between networks on the command line is done with wpa_cli?
09:53.06liablemajhool: nope, interfaces file actually interacts with the supplicant. it feeds it known networks, if it finds no known ones, it defaults back to default. if there is no open ones, it doesnt associate.
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09:53.54ONE_PATEwhats the name of thunderbird in apt-get
09:54.06liableerm, thinderbird..
09:54.13liablethunder*
09:54.15ONE_PATEhm no
09:54.16majhoolliable: hah, ok. so it's supposed to be completely automatic!
09:54.19liablewhat you said :P
09:54.21ONE_PATEdoenst found
09:54.26majhoolliable: that's so simple it would never have occurred to me
09:54.29liablemajhool: yep
09:54.38liableONE_PATE: you actually using debian?
09:54.41ONE_PATEah ok
09:54.49ONE_PATEnot connected to the internet
09:55.05majhoolliable: thanks, i appreciate the help!
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09:57.04liablemajhool: no worries
09:57.17AndorinHey, I have a question. I'm running stable and the version of VLC in the repos is 0.8.6. Short of compiling from source, is there any way for me to upgrade to 1.0?
09:57.39valdynjudd: versions vlc
09:57.41juddvaldyn: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 1.0.1-1+b1 sid: 1.0.1-2+b1
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10:05.46xeon-enoufman, this pizza sucks!
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10:09.29liablemmm, pizza
10:10.03liablexeon-enouf: obviously, you arent drunk enouf ;)
10:10.33xeon-enoufliable: right ... pizza dough becomes pizza crust once cooked, right?
10:10.54belixeon-enouf: tune it with habaneros ;)
10:11.00liableit should. but it becomes doe again when you microwave it
10:11.01xeon-enoufthis shit is as chewy as a gummybear
10:11.25xeon-enoufliable: right - toaster oven here though
10:11.37liabletoo much topping?
10:11.52xeon-enoufbeli: did that last night ;-)
10:11.52liablecould just be shit dough too
10:12.01xeon-enoufliable: nah - bad mix
10:12.05xeon-enoufyep
10:12.23belixeon-enouf: i grow my own :)
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10:13.01liablebeli: pickle the extras. mmmm, pickled chillies and cheese!
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10:13.55liablenow im hungry..
10:13.57beliliable: i grow different kind of chilies....from tabasco to fresno, from habanero to pequin
10:14.33liablexeon-enouf: wtf, why are you eating pizza for breakfast anyway?
10:14.40simonrvnbeli: mmmm
10:14.48liableits morning inthe states innit?
10:14.58xeon-enoufliable: just awoke from my latest drunken stupor
10:14.59simonrvn6:14 EDT
10:15.07xeon-enoufyep
10:15.08fireba11^^
10:15.35liablereheating pizza is one thing, cooking it for breakfast is another!
10:16.02liablebacon is for hangovers
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10:18.21liablewhilst we are on food.. the caterers got changed at work and now i have fucking zits and big fat boily zits popping up! WTF, i didnt even get zits as a kid..
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10:18.51petemcpuberty redux
10:18.57xeon-enoufliable: reheated! this in NY - there's not supposed to be crappy pizza!
10:19.01liableprobably TMI, but i am on the happy road to drunkedness..
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10:19.06beliliable: i am using http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ now to create the jail.....it is also capable of adding users and stuff....nice script
10:19.16xeon-enoufbeli: nice
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10:19.39xeon-enouf(chilies, haberneros, peppers, etc)
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10:20.04liablexeon-enouf: i dunno if i would like american pizza, not enough topping, looks like cheese on toast..
10:20.52xeon-enoufmutters something about friggin aussies
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10:21.27Andorin!gspca one-liner
10:21.28dpkg[gspca one-liner] Etch (with 2.6.18 kernel) and Lenny: "aptitude install gspca-modules-$(uname -r) && modprobe gspca".  Etch with 2.6.24 kernel: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i gspca && modprobe gspca".
10:21.40AndorinI'm running Lenny and that command doesn't work. Says it can't find the package.
10:21.50fireba11liable: as long as it really still IS cheese, not cheese-lookalike ...
10:21.57AndorinLooks like kernel 2.6.30
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10:22.27liablefireba11: thankfully, we dont have cheese in a can here
10:22.31xeon-enoufjudd: versions gspca-modules
10:22.32juddxeon-enouf: gspca-modules --
10:23.07efaistoshey do you know if with FAI we can configure all kind of servers like ssh, ip address etc ... and do the installation without any manual intervention ? Dont have a monitor on a little server but need to reinstall it from scratch ...
10:23.13xeon-enoufjudd: you
10:23.14juddxeon-enouf: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
10:23.24fireba11liable: i meant the cheese substitude crap
10:23.38xeon-enoufjudd: you're pissing me off! .. and this pizza sucks!
10:23.38juddxeon-enouf: Error: "you're" is not a valid command.
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10:23.50simonrvnAndorin: gspca was included starting from .27 (IIRC) and up
10:23.50liablefireba11: i dont think we have that either. what the hell do you substitute cheese with?
10:24.02fireba11liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese_analogue
10:24.08xeon-enoufhaha
10:24.08Andorinsimonrvn: So I should just need to modprobe it, right? Well, it says it doesn't find it.
10:24.15simonrvnAndorin: does yours work at all?
10:24.22simonrvnoh, which one?
10:24.38xeon-enoufmodprobe -l | grep gspca
10:24.38liablefireba11: fuck that shit!
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10:25.16Andorinxeon-enouf: Lots of output.
10:25.34fireba11liable: true. they use it a lot in ready-made products around here lately. gets kinda hard to avoid because they don't have to label it (yet) so you sometimes buy the wrong product ...
10:25.54AndorinLots of files in /lib/modules/2.6.30-bpo.1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca/
10:26.00xeon-enouflsmod | grep gspca
10:26.05liablefireba11: if it doesn't ooze oil, I wont touch it :)
10:26.14AndorinFour results.
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10:26.32liablei so badly want to eat pizza now :(
10:26.35naderHey, I wanna install some package with apt-get what line I must insert to source.list ?
10:26.38Andoringspca_spca561, gspca_main, videodev, usbcore
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10:27.20xeon-enouforders liable a pizza - courtesy of ..oh, he's offline atm :-P
10:27.34AndorinI was thinking of trying Synaptic.
10:27.46xeon-enoufliable: that's how i felt when i bought it!.. heh
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10:28.04liablethe local pizza joints pizza has so much fucking salt my heartrate redlines when I eat it.
10:28.06fireba11nader: why do you think you need to add a line to install packages?
10:28.24AndorinThere's the gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-486 package that sounds about right.
10:28.29xeon-enoufnader: /msg dpkg sources.list
10:28.33adnc_hello, i've a new harddisk which i would like to use for my stored music and evtl. share with samba on my lan. has anyone experiences which filesystem would be the best for it?
10:29.11xeon-enoufjudd: versions gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-486
10:29.12juddxeon-enouf: gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-486 -- lenny: 2.6.26+01.00.20-6+lenny1
10:29.13liableadnc_: if its on a linux box, ext3 is fine
10:29.15xeon-enoufheh
10:29.21simonrvnAndorin: which kernel is it again?
10:29.31adnc_liable: yes, it is a linux box, an embedded board with debian linux
10:29.33simonrvnAndorin: that you have
10:29.41man_in_uniflibble
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10:30.08Andorinsimonrvn: 2.6.30 on this computer.
10:30.12xeon-enoufadnc_: is that emdebian?
10:30.24adnc_xeon-enouf: no voyage linux
10:30.31xeon-enouf...
10:30.47simonrvnAndorin: and you found 4 entries there?
10:30.56Andorinsimonrvn: Yup, and I listed them.
10:30.56liablepurges the non believers
10:31.01simonrvnAndorin: modprobe -l | grep gspca
10:31.10xeon-enoufpastebin
10:31.39xeon-enoufsimonrvn: 10:14 < xeon-enouf> modprobe -l | grep gspca    10:15 < Andorin> xeon-enouf: Lots of output.
10:31.56AndorinHang on, I'll pastebin it.
10:32.23naderfor example I wanna install "apt-get install libgtk-java libgtk2.0-dev make mplayer" but this message appears E: Couldn't find package libgtk-java
10:32.44xeon-enoufhas never seen someone abbreviate 'eventually' :-P
10:32.49simonrvnAndorin: stick a | wc -l after that there and tell me the result instead ;)
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10:33.08Andorinsimonrvn: After the modprobe -l | grep gspca?
10:33.13simonrvnyes
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10:33.32Andorinsimonrvn: 28.
10:33.39xeon-enoufnader: remove that package from the list
10:34.43xeon-enoufnader: only try to install pkgnames that appear after a apt-cache search <keyword> and don't do that until you apt-get update
10:34.46shylentno, he says, his sources.list is messed up
10:35.49ethanolshylent: who are you talking to?
10:35.50shylentI thought for stable you would do something along the lines of "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free"
10:35.56naderxeon-enouf, ok thanks
10:35.59simonrvnAndorin: and when you plug the device in it doesn't find it? lsusb says what? sees it?
10:36.22cydorknader: are you using testing??
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10:36.52xeon-enoufliable: btw - i'd never microwave pizza, i'd rather eat it cold - just - i left these slices out ;-)
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10:37.01Andorinsimonrvn: lsusb sees it. also... er, in cheese, now it's randomly working. o_0
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10:37.22nadercydork, no
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10:37.34AndorinWait, now it's not.
10:37.35AndorinI confuse.
10:37.38cydorkjudd: versions libgtk-java
10:37.39juddcydork: libgtk-java -- etch: 2.8.5-1.2 lenny: 2.10.2-7 sid: 2.10.2-7
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10:38.00roman_anyone else experienced issues with xchat since upgrade from 5.0.2 to 5.0.3 ? i cannot connect to irc.freenode.net anymore for some odd reason
10:38.07cydorknader: which version of debian are you using then?
10:38.20nadercydork, etch
10:38.22Andorinsimonrvn: Looks like lsusb does see the device. It just doesn't want to work in cheese.
10:38.31xeon-enouf!why is libgtk-java not in ... oh nm
10:38.32dpkgxeon-enouf: what are you talking about?
10:38.56simonrvnAndorin: mine doesn't either, it's a gspca_zc3xx driver one
10:39.01xeon-enoufAndorin: say cheese! again
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10:39.17cydorknader: well judd says that libgtk-java is available in etch.. so did you apt-get/aptitude update?
10:39.28xeon-enoufliable: are you with us pal? :-P
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10:39.37SlashLife-Hey there. :)
10:39.39simonrvnAndorin: i've tried straght from the hg repo, and building, and still won't work in cheese, even with the v4l1compat/convert libs
10:39.46simonrvnstraight*
10:40.01xeon-enoufmercury?
10:40.04liablexeon-enouf: aye, momentarily distracted by shiny shit
10:40.27nadercydork, no I try it
10:40.33cydorksteps away from shiny shit..
10:40.36xeon-enoufliable: ahoy matey .. must be from yonder .. ala NZ :-p
10:40.39Andorinsimonrvn: Fantastic. Any idea why?
10:41.06liableonly sheep there..
10:41.16xeon-enoufmetallic ones?
10:41.19liablewhere is guerin?
10:41.20xeon-enouf:-P
10:41.27xeon-enoufyeah!
10:41.34simonrvnAndorin: nope
10:41.55simonrvnAndorin: used to work fine with the external drivers. 100%
10:42.00xeon-enoufpawns off cydork 's shiny shit
10:42.16simonrvnAndorin: now i only get "buffer overflow" crap errors in syslog when i try to use cheese with it.
10:44.32AndorinSo perhaps it's program-specific, simonrvn? If it doesn't work in cheese, it could still work in something else?
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10:45.00simonrvnAndorin: no, it doesn't. i've tried just about every webcam app in debian
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10:46.19AndorinOh, boy. And all I had to do on my PC, which is running 2.6.26, is run the command that dpkg gave me.
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10:48.20simonrvnyeh. in .26, since it's the older drivers, it works fine. which pisses me off.
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10:48.54AndorinI would just load .26, but then I wouldn't have wireless support, which is worth a whole lot more to me than webcam support.
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10:49.30simonrvnindeed, i'd make the same choice, also having a more secure kernel too ;)
10:49.40liableyou have an atheros card?
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10:49.49liableeeepc even?
10:50.27AndorinAtheros, yes. a5k. eeepc, no.
10:50.32Andorinath5k*
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10:50.53liablewhats the actual problem?
10:51.12AndorinWebcam isn't working. On kernel .30, wireless is fine.
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10:52.04liablewell, if webcam works in 26, just compile madwifi and they should both work
10:52.33nadershylent, thx
10:53.08Morten_hey - where do I find the netinstall of testing? - I can only find it for stable..
10:53.24liable!netinst
10:53.24dpkgi guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian.  If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/  See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
10:53.35liablemeh
10:53.47Morten_yeah - that was were I looked.
10:53.53Morten_oh
10:54.05liablethe testing ones are found by following the dev page link iirc
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10:54.47liableno, it has a link to the testing ones..
10:54.48Morten_Ah, I found it
10:54.59Morten_http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ <- this one, right? :)
10:55.55liablethe dailies can be broken
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10:57.42_Brandon_hi, is there a way to always assign sda to an usb disk?
10:58.01xeon-enouf!udev rules
10:58.01dpkgfile:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
10:58.15_Brandon_thanks
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10:59.09xeon-enoufhave pain*cough* ..er fun ;-)
10:59.18liableyay for udev
10:59.33MattiasfarmIs there a way to verify if a symlink is valid (not dangling/orphaned) ? What I'm trying to achive is verifying symlinks in a dir and removing the ones who ain't valid
10:59.52liablea ls -l should show it, no?
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11:00.22Mattiasfarmit shows where the symlink points, but I'm not sure what it would say if it is "dangling"
11:00.43liableperforms a quick test
11:00.45xeon-enoufliable: it;s more like broken buggy BIOSes that swap the boot order around (musical chairs anyone?) once you place a bootable USB device in and reboot/boot
11:01.24xeon-enoufMattiasfarm: use colors to your advantage ;-)
11:01.46liablexeon-enouf: huh?
11:02.10liablehmm, removing the file doesnt show the link as dangling..
11:02.16MattiasfarmI do use colors, but what I'm trying to do is kind of script for this, so I need to filter out symlinks and then the invalid ones
11:02.17xeon-enoufusually just performs a find on the dir/ it'll find broken shit ;-)
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11:03.01liablea fsck would find it i would have think
11:03.11liablethunk*
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11:03.54xeon-enoufliable: echo LS_COLORS  (if that's what your huh was about)
11:04.01liableno
11:04.04xeon-enoufer
11:04.05liableshuddup
11:04.25xeon-enouf$LS_COLORS even
11:04.50liableyou're missing a U
11:04.57xeon-enoufliable: usb sucks ass
11:05.06liablecolours!
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11:05.22xeon-enoufairbourne?
11:05.25liablecrazy yankies
11:05.50xeon-enoufit's not co LURES .. so wtf with the U?
11:06.06liablethats the proper english spelling.
11:06.21xeon-enoufproper can suck my proper ass
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11:06.55svenxi'd like to only apt-get upgrade security packages. is 'apt-get -t l=Debian-Security upgrade' a good way of doing it, or is there something more solid?
11:07.03Mattiasfarmxeon-enouf : how would I get indications about invalid symlinks if I do a find on the dir?
11:07.11xeon-enoufyou got sent to a continent on the other side of the globe by miss "proper"
11:07.23liablesvenx: if you have stable, then security is all thats getting new packages anyway
11:07.37xeon-enoufMattiasfarm: no such file or directory
11:07.42g0bl1nwhen a machine Hibernates, the ammount of memory sent to disk is the only being used, or is it all the available RAM ?
11:07.51liablexeon-enouf: i was born here, and you fuckers are all immigrabts too!
11:08.11liablestick a 'n' in there instead of the b
11:08.22xeon-enoufg0bl1n: i think ~ 50% - see /Documentation/power/ ?
11:08.50xeon-enoufliable: ok, so your mum was sent there via some proper bozo
11:08.55liableg0bl1n: the image is typically compressed
11:09.15liablexeon-enouf: no, my grandparents were ten pound poms.
11:09.20g0bl1nliable: the entire RAM or the used RAM ?
11:09.31xeon-enouf...
11:09.40liableg0bl1n: not sure actually.
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11:09.47g0bl1nok, I'll see the documentation
11:09.50g0bl1n;)
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11:10.51xeon-enoufg0bl1n: you can allocate memory chunks the kernel sees ...
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11:13.40ekimus_hi, if I create a local user for a daemon (not packaged) is the recommendation to create a system user or normal user? it seems to me system users (their UIDs) are somehow reserved to debian
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11:14.11xeon-enouf!groups
11:14.11dpkgwell, groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html .  Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>.  See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2
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11:14.48bodobacsWhich package should I install to have opengl-dev on an nvidia driver using debian?
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11:18.28bodobacsit seems to me mesa conflicts with nvidia driver. And pkg-config --libs gl doesn't find anythiing.
11:18.39xeon-enoufbodobacs: $ apt-cache show nvidia-cg-toolkit ?
11:19.03xeon-enoufpkg-config? wtf!?
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11:19.22xeon-enouf$ apt-cache search opengl dev | grep nvidia
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11:20.36xeon-enoufofcourse Mesa3D conflicts with npoopia
11:20.38bodobacspkg-config solves paths for the compiler and it should be updated when the proper libs installed, i think
11:20.46dvinchi____pkg-config is for know the lybraris of package compilation
11:20.49xeon-enouf...
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11:22.46ewethi, whenever I start a program using gksu it tells me "Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'." and from then on over and over again. what's wrong?
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11:29.17belihi there....i have apache2 running as uid:gid www-data:www-data.....and i want it to be able to read webstuff from users like foobar:web001 ...i added www-data to the web001 group and gave the webfiles g+rw permissions.....the directories in front have +x perms for the group web001.....but the documents are still not accessible by the apache2 server...any ideas? what am i doing wrong here
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11:35.07aldoresethi, i use powerdns recursor on debian squeeze (testing) and i try to listen on ::1/128 and i have this message:
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11:35.31aldoresetnetstat give do not give me udp6
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11:42.58Dumb0beli, how did you added www-data to  web001, by hand ? I mean using the /etc/group.. or with a command line ?
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11:43.31LovecraftDoes #debian have a root user ban set?
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11:44.43LovecraftWell? Come on, one simple little question...
11:44.45LovecraftDoes #debian have a root user ban set?
11:44.58torgrimtLovecraft: dont irc as root ;)
11:45.06LovecraftThats not what I asked.
11:45.13LovecraftDoes #debian have a root user ban set?
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11:45.24torgrimtLovecraft: you can see in /bans aswell. only current bans ofc
11:45.30LovecraftDoes #debian have a root user ban set?
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11:45.35LovecraftYes ot no
11:45.47LovecraftThe ban list is huge.
11:45.58torgrimtLovecraft: /lastlog
11:45.58LovecraftEver tried to mine that mess?
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12:05.26beliDumb0: using vim
12:05.38SlashLife-:| @ E: Couldn't find package libdb4.7-dev
12:05.56SlashLife-Did I miss something here? Is it outdated or something?
12:07.00Dumb0beli, so maybe your modification didn't took effect yet
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12:07.25beliDumb0: erm...why not?
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12:10.17Dumb0beli, I think you will have to log out and log back in for those changes to take effect for the user/group you have just  created.. I guess
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12:12.22beliDumb0: no not really...this would just be neccessary for the shell you are using, but these changes are for the webserver user, nothing to do with you beeing logged in or not
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12:13.03adbSlashLife-,  libdb4.7++-dev
12:13.38beliDumb0: and i didnt add an user to the www-data group...i added www-data user to the web001 group...and restarted apache2 of course
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12:15.30Dumb0beli, Ok, where your user directory is located ? outside the web server directory ?
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12:16.11beliDumb0: yes
12:16.47beliDumb0: i added a virtual host for it
12:17.33Dumb0beli, Ok, so what apache tells you exactly, error access or something else ?
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12:18.01beli(13) permission denied to index.{html|php|...}
12:18.46beliif i add others permissions it works
12:18.54beliso its really a problem related to the group stuff
12:19.03Dumb0beli, hmm.. maybe you forgot to set permission recursively so it can affect even the content of your directory ?
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12:19.28beliDumb0: i used find -type d and xargs to set directories 775
12:20.29Dumb0beli, Ok, what is the permission of your index file ?
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12:20.53chimichangaHey Leute
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12:21.58chimichangaKann mir jemand sagen was ich machen kann wenn der Debian-installer eine eingabe erwartet beim Pakete installieren?
12:22.11adb!de
12:22.13dpkgdeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
12:22.16beliDumb0: 775 and user:web001....it works with 777 and i also got no Index if i remove index.html........although i defined +Indexes
12:22.25chimichangaoops
12:22.27Dumb0beli, I'll be back, gotta lunch.. sorry
12:22.34beliDumb0: oki, thanks for help
12:22.42belibbl too
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12:23.59SlashLife-adb: The dependency is libdb4.7-dev (or 4.6) anyway, with ++ ... different package name, same error
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12:25.58metalfan_hi
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12:27.52adbjudd, versions libdb4.7-dev
12:27.53juddadb: libdb4.7-dev -- etch-backports: 4.7.25-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 4.7.25-7~bpo50+1 sid: 4.7.25-7 squeeze: 4.7.25-7
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12:31.40dekroningi'm trying redirect a udp port via iptables, but i can't seem to get it to work, i have a fresh (everything accept) iptables table, and have only tried to add the following line "iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -d $local_interface_ip -p udp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to $external_ip"   anyone that could point me out to what i'm doing wrong here?
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12:32.12dekroningor is there perhaps a udp forwarding application like rinetd for instance is for tcp?
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12:35.15torgrimthmm. lenny starts open-iscsi BEFORE networking. isnt that kinda...stupid?
12:35.24torgrimtor am i missing something essensial ;)
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12:43.07ebxHi
12:43.14ebxnautilus is crashing when I open preferences
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12:45.36themillebx: it's a gnome app, you're not supposed to configure it.
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12:46.09ebxthemill, ?
12:46.24ebxthemill, well its bug, its crashing
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12:47.01etbi accidentally broke one pkg. how can i reinstall it?
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12:48.00Titan8990aptitude reinstall <package>
12:48.33etbTitan8990: nice thanks
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12:52.29SlashLife-buildconf: autoconf version 2.61 (ok)
12:52.30SlashLife-buildconf: Your version of autoconf likely contains buggy cache code. Running cvsclean for you. To avoid this, install autoconf-2.13.
12:52.35SlashLife->_<
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12:56.43etbhow can i find which binaries does a pkg install?
12:56.44etband where
12:57.00dekroninghow can i redirect all traffic to a eth0:1 (alias on a interface) to a external ip ? udp and tcp
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12:58.29SilverStar001Hi, I am having trouble turning encryption on for wifi with wpa2 hidden network
12:58.46SilverStar001my wifi light is not on
12:59.18SilverStar001http://pastebin.com/dfd75467
12:59.49etbanyone
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13:05.37SilverStar001Also how do i enable wpa2 on interfaces
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13:10.10Titan8990etb, dpkg -S <package>
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13:10.38Titan8990etb, apt-file if the package is not already installed
13:10.48sphenxesI got a message that my hard drive is low on space. i found kernel.log and debug.log file is reaching 15 GB. I deleted them but in few minute kernel.log fiel is 500 MB. what can i do to stop kernel.log file to be so large
13:11.08justinsphenxes: uh, did you try reading it?
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13:12.21sphenxesjustin, no but i will give it a try
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13:12.36etbTitan8990: doesnt work
13:12.56Titan8990etb, is the package installed?
13:12.59Titan8990!doesn't work
13:12.59dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
13:13.17etbTitan8990: yes but i specify not the .deb but the name reported by aptitude search
13:13.32Titan8990use dpkg -c if you are running it against a dep
13:13.38Titan8990dpkg -c file.deb
13:13.38dpkgdrwxr-xr-x root/root       8192 2005-10-09 10:09:83 ./usr/share/file.deb/pr0n/ariana.jpg
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13:14.37SensivaHello, I am trying to reconfigure Xorg using displayconf-gtk and its breaking xorg.conf, now I need to gain higher resolution on my display, I am running Lenny on a Dell Desktop with Intel Q35 VGA chipset
13:14.41SensivaAny ideas?
13:15.29sphenxesjustin, Sep 20 08:34:59 marei kernel: [  814.833331] BANDWIDTH_OUT:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.178.25 DST=41.225.246.228 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=56790 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57495 DPT=61950 WINDOW=46 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0. that is what i am getting
13:15.44justinsphenxes: what did you do to cause those messages to be logged?
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13:16.54sphenxesjustin, i don't know. but i was using virtualbox and was tryning to build internal network between to caos linux system
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13:17.30SilverStar001how do i enable a hidden wifi network?
13:18.04justinSilverStar001: the same way you enable any wireless network. the 'hidden' part is irrelevant
13:18.05Titan8990iwconfig wlan0 essid <hidden essid>
13:18.25justinexcept that making it hidden makes it harder to configure and adds no additional security
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13:19.42SilverStar001my interface is messed here it is http://pastebin.com/d5e20bd47
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13:20.20justinSilverStar001: if you cared at all about security you would have changed your ssid instead of making it hidden
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13:21.56SilverStar001i dont have control over the router
13:22.15justinSilverStar001: tell the person that controls the router to go read up on wpa security
13:22.31SilverStar001k
13:22.45justinSilverStar001: does iwlist scan show anything?
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13:24.08SilverStar001justin:iwlist scan comes up empty
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13:24.26justinSilverStar001: i think you need to get that led to turn on before anything will work
13:24.50SilverStar001how do i turn led on?
13:25.14justinprobably laptop specific
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13:26.13SilverStar001i have a dell 1405
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13:26.51metalfan_is it possible to detach a screen within a screen without detaching the first screen?
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13:27.05justinmetalfan_: yes
13:27.29metalfan_because if i just do ctrl+d+a in the second screen the first one detaches
13:27.43SilverStar001why isnt wifi light turning on...is it now the right driver or?
13:27.46justinyou need to escape thr control-a
13:27.50justinSilverStar001: dmesg might have clues
13:28.10metalfan_justin, how do i escape a keystroke?
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13:28.46Misterjorshey, i just reinstalled debian, but forgot my root password, is there anything i can do about this without having to reinstall?
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13:28.50SilverStar001justin: http://pastebin.com/d7b0c7c33
13:28.58justinnot a keystroke, control-a
13:29.52justinmetalfan_: try searching the man page for escape, it is all documented
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13:31.26metalfan_thx
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13:32.50Sensivaadb I did as the msg said and restarted X , still the same
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13:36.16SilverStar001justin:http://pastebin.com/d19975b32
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13:36.49justinSilverStar001: you need to install the firmware like it says
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13:37.32Ohanhi guys, could someone tell me if there's a way to "revert a debian box to the defaults"?
13:37.48OpenTokixOhan: no, defaults of what?
13:37.50justinSilverStar001: looks like it's pretty easy to do
13:37.55Ohanlike, remove all the installed packages since the initial install, revert the settings modifications...
13:38.05OhanOpenTokix, have the same as if i was reinstalling from scratch
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13:38.16SilverStar001justin: install what i am confused
13:38.19Ohan(but without using a CD to reinstall)
13:38.24justinSilverStar001: READ what you pastebin'd
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13:38.54justinSilverStar001: pastebin'ing something is not a substiture for you reading it
13:39.19SilverStar001install firmware uncode...??whats that
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13:39.36Misterjorsbtw, for the people who are using squeeze, is it already good enough to use as a stable desktop os?
13:39.39justinSilverStar001: for fucks sake, it gives you a url, go read it
13:39.39Ohananyone has a clue?
13:39.42Misterjorsor should i go for lenny?
13:39.55Titan8990Misterjors, depends on your skills with linux imo
13:40.14Misterjorsthose are average
13:40.43Titan8990if you feel confortable fixing your own issues as problems arrise, squeeze is fine
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13:41.21Misterjorsok, the i'll use lenny for a while,
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13:42.48ranixmistrynitesh: generally you should stay as close to stable as possible, and only walk away from it when you find you need a specific feature not available
13:43.10ranixand if it's a minor thing you can backport it
13:43.23ranixeven if you're experienced
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13:43.42ranixrunning Testing is not too hard though, and is helpful if you submit bug reports about any problems
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13:43.58ranixrunning Sid is generally only on a spare machine and only if your primary purpose is testing
13:44.22mistryniteshranix: sorry! was that meant for me?
13:44.41ranixsorry mistrynitesh I meant misterj
13:44.42SilverStar001justin: hello i read that, why do you think i am here
13:44.45ranixoh he quit
13:44.51ranixwell nevermind mf
13:44.52ranixme
13:45.06mistryniteshranix: thats ok
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13:46.25ranixSilverStar001: You must go to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website.
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13:46.59heloafter running sid on this machine and going back to lenny, my onboard intel NIC isn't listed in lspci
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13:47.17SilverStar001http://pastebin.com/d48891756
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13:48.14ranixSilverStar001: why are you pastebinning that
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13:51.41SilverStar001how do i make color ls permant
13:52.11Dongshengyou could create an alias
13:52.14pngwnSilverStar001, .bashrc
13:52.19Dongshengalias ls='ls --color'
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13:52.55Dongshengas pngwn said, add this alias to .bashrc
13:53.21SilverStar001k how do i turn it right now
13:53.42\amethystI would at least use --color=auto
13:54.10\amethystotherwise the color codes will still be there when you pipe ls's output or send it to a file
13:54.13stewSilverStar001: I'd recommend" ls='ls --color=auto' " instead of just --color.  I'd expect these to already be in your .bashrc along with some others (for grep --color=auto for example). if not you might copy them from /etc/skel/.bashrc
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13:55.22SilverStar001how do i turn ls color for this session before rebooting
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13:55.34Dongshengsource ~/.bashrc
13:55.50SilverStar001i did that
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13:56.35Dongshengdidn't work?
13:56.47SilverStar001no
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13:58.04stewSilverStar001: did you get any errors when you ran "source ~/.bashrc" ?
13:58.07SilverStar001i changed .bashrc for root and user, it worked for user not root
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13:58.21peter_hello all. I have two debian vm boxes on a debian host. After an occasional reset the vms start up but do not have an eth0 entry in ifconfig. dmesg shows that eth0 devices are still there. What can I do to go online again?
13:58.29SilverStar001stew: no
13:58.47stewSilverStar001: can you show us the alias line from root's .bashrc ?
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13:59.13SilverStar001alias ls='ls --color'
13:59.13SilverStar001ls='ls --color=auto'
13:59.27stewSilverStar001: both lines are there?
13:59.32SilverStar001yes
13:59.36Dongshengcan you type "alias ls" in terminal?
13:59.57stewSilverStar001: oh, shoot, i misspoke.  remove the second line and change the first from --color to --color=auto
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14:01.26SilverStar001alias ls='ls --color=auto'
14:01.26SilverStar001??
14:01.28tdnWhere should I go for help with cronolog on Debian?
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14:01.42xrfangis there a simple method to run x script, where x means shell/python/ruby etc, while a usb external disk is inserted (e.g. do some backup task to the usb disk).
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14:03.46SilverStar001ok got it work thanks guys the color ls thing
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14:04.21tdnxrfang, I think you can do that with udev rules.
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14:05.02peter_anybody? please help, my two live systems are down :/
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14:05.45snappypeter_: ifconfig eth0 up
14:06.17peter_snappy: thanks; it says ERROR while getting interface flags, no device
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14:06.54snappyThen your VM(?) configuration has an issue.
14:07.09Dongshengwhat lspci say?
14:07.17snappyIf it no longer registers the network card, you either need to load the modules, or something.
14:07.58justinpeter_: what does ifconfig -a say?
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14:08.56peter_lspci shows the card; ifconfig -a tells me that there is eth0
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14:09.47peter_I tried to rename eth0 to eth0 in /etc/network/interafaces and the ifupdown eth2 . It said that the link is up but I still cannot ping e.g. google
14:09.58justinpeter_: you did what?
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14:10.19peter_renamed eth0 to eth2 in /etc/networking/intefaces
14:10.19Titan8990you don't change interface names in interfaces, you change them in udev persistent net rules
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14:10.42Titan8990what you likely did is configure an interface that doesn't exist
14:10.44Dongshengmaybe something wrong with the kernel module, can you try 'lsmod' to make sure the module is up?
14:10.53peter_Titan8990 : ok so I have to leave it with eth0. where can I find that udev rules?
14:11.03Titan8990!70
14:11.03dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See also <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
14:11.04justinDongsheng: no, sounds like his random edits to the interfaces file broke stuff
14:11.10acemipeter_: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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14:14.26helosomething seems to have disabled my onboard NIC... or at least made it invisible to linux
14:14.38helothe only thing i've done recently is to run sid on this machine
14:14.40justinhelo: why do you say that?
14:14.54helowell, it used to be listed in lspci, and now it isn't
14:15.03justinhelo: checked the bios?
14:15.07peter_ok guys that's great; I find three eth's in the z25.. files.. so I have to find out the mac of the nic and then somehow restart the networking?
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14:15.15Titan8990running a different kernel? maybe lsusb now
14:15.27helohaven't touched it, but maybe i should still check it
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14:16.12helothe NIC has always been kind of quirky though... if i rebooted instead of shutdown, it would disappear
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14:16.27Titan8990is it onboard or a stand alone card?
14:16.28helonow it is unlisted regardless
14:16.30heloonboard
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14:19.35heloseems to be the same problem listed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-257492.html
14:19.40xeon-enoufhelo: either it's disabled in BIOS, it's not seated properly in the slot, your mobo has issues, or it'
14:19.56xeon-enoufor the NIC itself is caput
14:20.08heloit is onboard, and it is enabled in BIOS... sounds like bad news
14:20.44xeon-enoufhelo: is it's module loaded?
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14:20.57helono, and it isn't even listed in lspci
14:21.24heloi have a spare realtek sitting around, i'll just use it
14:21.26xeon-enoufhelo: NICs are like what 10$ :-)
14:21.45justinhelo: try unplugging the machine, let it sit for a minute and plug it back in
14:21.46Titan8990xeon-enouf, $20 last time i got one
14:21.53justinhelo: that should fully reset the MB
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14:22.07xeon-enoufyeah - could even be a heat issue
14:22.37justinno, sounds like it is just messed up, i've seen lots of computer issues over the years that a soft reset won't fix
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14:24.11lukegeehi
14:24.34lukegeewhy does debian detect ide-hdds as /dev/hd* even tough it uses libata?
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14:26.59xeon-enoufif he knows enough to know that about his buggy BIOS and softreset being an issue, don't you think he'd cold boot before coming here whining?
14:26.59morpheusshow do i know the creation time of a file ls -c filename doesnt work
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14:27.22xeon-enouflukegee: it can and does
14:27.26\amethystmorpheuss:  Unix filesystems don't record creation time
14:27.36lunk~rar
14:27.37aptrumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things
14:27.45themill!ctime
14:27.45dpkgUNIX does *not* store the creation time of files.  Anywhere.  At all.  Ever.  You can't get it.  You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure?  It's not "creation time".  It's inode (metadata) change time.  It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc.
14:27.53lunk!unrar
14:27.53dpkg[rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever.  To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>.  "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files.  Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files.  http://www.rarlab.com/  http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
14:27.57morpheuss\amethyst, no way of knowing it?
14:28.01lukegeexeon-enouf, how do i tell it?
14:28.10\amethystmorpheuss:  no way, unless it's a DOS filesystem
14:28.21xeon-enouflukegee: why bother?
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14:28.39tarzeaujpg files got an exif creation timestamp :)
14:28.43xeon-enouflukegee: you have something against the letter 's' ?
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14:29.10lukegeexeon-enouf, mh? i want that my debian detects ide-hdds as /dev/sd*, and not as /dev/hd*
14:29.19tarzeaulukegee: that's a linux thing
14:29.24xeon-enouf\amethyst: ntfs doesn't also have those DOS-style attributes?
14:29.43lukegeei thought because debian uses also libata ide-hdds are detectes as sd*
14:29.48lukegeebut thats not so
14:29.55xeon-enouflukegee: ok , so you have something against the letter 'h' ?
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14:30.05lukegeexeon-enouf, the problem is:
14:30.13\amethystxeon-enouf:  it might; I'm not sure... if so, it will show up as ctime
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14:30.37xeon-enouf\amethyst: oh, well i meant from within windows ;-)
14:30.39lukegeeactually im thinking of clonezilla. but because it is based on debian and uses its kernel i ask here, because the clonezilla folks are lazy ;)
14:31.00lukegeeit will avoid some problems is ide and scsi disks are both detected as /dev/sd*
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14:31.38lukegeeim just wondering because debian uses libata right?
14:31.51xeon-enouf\amethyst: i recall Read,Write,Hidden,Archive attributes for DOS/legacy windows? How does one access those attributes? never tried from within Linux
14:32.04lukegeeso why does debian detect the ide hdd as /dev/hd* and not sd*
14:32.14tarzeaulukegee: linux kernels changed it some times
14:32.17lukegeei thought libata ALWAYS detects as sd*
14:32.19tarzeaulukegee: for some disks
14:32.29xeon-enouflukegee: use UUIDs or LABELs if that's an issue
14:32.30tarzeaulukegee: no, and it's not debian that changed it. it's fucking linux. get that
14:32.43\amethystxeon-enouf:  I don't know about getting it from a mounted FS; from an unmounted one you can use mattrib from mtools
14:33.02xeon-enouf\amethyst: ahh, gotcha - should've known
14:33.07xeon-enouf\amethyst: thanks
14:33.47lukegeetarzeau, they changed what? they didn't change anything like that. as i know, libata detects ide and scsi as /dev/sd*. in every other distribution which uses libata this is so
14:34.11tarzeau*sighs*
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14:34.46\amethystlukegee: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535959
14:35.14\amethystlukegee:  at least two DDs agree
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14:35.25lukegee\amethyst, THANKS alot
14:35.29lukegeethats what i ment
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14:35.37lukegeetarzeau, now you know what i mean?
14:35.47tarzeaulukegee: no, you don't understand me
14:35.47morpheuss_\amethyst, thanks
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14:36.36lukegeetarzeau, i don't you too, but ok ;)
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14:40.18lukegee<tarzeau> lukegee: no, you don't understand me
14:40.33lukegeeobviously debian useses a patch for using the old driver on ide devices
14:40.38lukegeethis is _not_ a linux thing
14:41.00Titan8990IDE being emulated as sata?
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14:43.42themilllukegee: libata is not used universally for these devices -- if libata is not used, then the devices are not /dev/sd*. So the reason they are hd* not sd* is because a different subsystem is being used, not because a the device labelling is different. Please also /msg dpkg based on debian.
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14:45.06Titan8990themill, i thought it all had to do with if the old ATA drivers were used or the new parallel ata experimental drivers
14:45.15Titan8990atleast that was my experience
14:45.20lukegeethemill, i know?
14:45.37lukegeei was just wondering why that things is in debian different to other distris
14:45.48lukegeebecause i dont know another distri which disables libata sometimes
14:45.51\amethystthemill:  it's a Debian patch that causes libata not to be used for PIIX devices
14:45.58lukegeeack
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14:46.13themillisn't that what I just said?
14:46.49Titan8990themill, for example, old ata driver for AMD IDE is option: BLK_DEV_AMD74XX    new option: PATA_AMD
14:47.06Titan8990both still available in kernel configuration
14:47.15Titan8990atleast as of 2.6.27
14:47.27\amethystthemill:  oh, I thought you were saying that using libata for those was a patch made by Debian derivatives
14:48.46Titan8990is libata the depricated SCSI emulation support driver? this conversation is just confusing me....
14:48.48\amethystanyway, lukegee now has the bug number and can learn from the BTS which patch to de-apply
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14:50.23peHi, anyone here using the ARM port of debian and software raid ? i cant create an raid device
14:50.25\amethystTitan8990:  no, ide-scsi and libata are two different things
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14:51.00pebeagle ~ # mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
14:51.03pemdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such device or address
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14:51.16\amethystTitan8990:  but both result in an ATA/ATAPI device appearing to be a SCSI device to userspace
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14:56.08xeon-enoufATAPI devices are halfway there already anyway, note how sdparm works on them ;-)
14:56.57xeon-enoufthere are many libata boot params in newer kernels now too
14:57.22SteveJoneshey guys on  my custom kernel everything works great except, i lost the ability to do ssh passwordless login via keys
14:57.41SteveJonesi see under security options -> [] Enable access key retention support (not enabled)
14:57.46SteveJonesthat seem like the option?
14:57.54xeon-enoufpress ?
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14:58.15xeon-enoufpress '?' for help in menuconfig
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14:58.42stewSteveJones: i don't think any particualar kernel options are needed.  /msg dpkg debug sshd
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14:59.00atealthamy files with foreign character filenames are showing up as boxes with the unicode values. how can I get it to show up correctly?
14:59.02SteveJonesstew: it was working before this kernel :)
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14:59.12\amethystdpkg, libata is an (in-kernel) library to support ATA ("IDE") host interfaces and drives.  Devices handled by libata have SCSI device names (sda, sdb) instead of IDE device names (hda, hdb).  See http://linux-ata.org/faq.html , or http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Developer_Resources for technical information.
14:59.12dpkgokay, \amethyst
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14:59.23stewSteveJones: try debugging the sshd
14:59.37SteveJones, -vvv?
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14:59.45stewSteveJones: no, -d
14:59.49stewSteveJones: /msg dpkg debug sshd
14:59.58gumboxi'm having trouble installing the fglrx driver: Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version
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15:00.01gumboxdefault:v2:i686:lib::none:2.6.30-1-686; make sure that the version is being
15:00.36gumboxi know it's proprietary.. but can you help me? i'm using squeeze/sid kernel 2.6.30-1-686
15:01.09xeon-enoufsee #fglrx and ensure correct linux-headers- are installed
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15:01.15\amethystgumbox:  are you using the squeeze/sid version of fglrx ?
15:01.27gumboxno.. i've tried that one and i didn't work either
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15:01.41\amethystgumbox:  fglrx-modules-2.6.30-1.686  doesn't work?
15:01.57stewgumbox: can you not use any of the free drivers?
15:02.01\amethysts/\.686/-686/
15:02.06gumboxno.. it says no compatible devices found or something like that
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15:02.16\amethystgumbox:  what chipset?
15:02.30gumboxradeon x550
15:02.31stewgumbox: do you know the vendorid:deviceid ?
15:02.40\amethystgumbox:  those aren't supported by new fglrx
15:02.46pav5088What's a decent LDAP editor available in Debian Squeeze.  (I usually use phpldapadmin but apparently a bug in php5 is preventing it from working at the moment).
15:02.47stewgumbox: it would be somethint like "8086:10de"
15:02.49pav5088?
15:02.53\amethystgumbox:  they are supported, with 3D, by the 'radeon' driver
15:02.55stewgumbox: (and it would be displayed in your Xorg.0.log"
15:03.12xeon-enouflspci -nn | grep VGA ?
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15:03.25stewthat should work too
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15:03.34gumbox01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent] [1002:5b63]
15:03.55stewjudd: xorg 1002:5b63
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15:03.56juddstew: In lenny, device 1002:5b63 is matched by xorg driver: 'radeon'.
15:03.56stewjudd: xorg 1002:5b63 --release squeeze
15:03.58juddstew: In squeeze, device 1002:5b63 is matched by xorg driver: 'radeon'.
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15:04.43gumboxxserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed already
15:04.51SteveJonesfixed it, "UseDNS no" in sshd_config.. weird that it worked before
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15:05.18SilverStar001can someone using wpa2 pastebin their /etc/network/interfaces
15:05.45xeon-enoufso load the driver - check with grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; and fix anything you did to your xorg.conf
15:05.55xeon-enoufgumbox: ^^^
15:06.03gumboxohh.. yes.. there's no xorg.conf
15:06.12gumboxi forgot to type a new one
15:06.37gumboxforgot/didn't want to
15:06.42SilverStar001here is my interfaces its messed up maybe someone can help me http://pastebin.com/d208443c6
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15:06.59xeon-enoufSilverStar001: you sure you don't want something like /etc/wpa_supplicant/*.conf ?
15:07.10SilverStar001i am using wpa2
15:07.24xeon-enoufgumbox: you're not supposed to have to ;-)
15:07.47SilverStar001hmm....i am not sure...i only used /etc/network/interfaces before
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15:08.11gumboxi know, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do it for me anymore.. and the aticonfig --initial -f when I installed the drivers from the repository didn't work.. so i have to do it by hand =\
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15:08.27SilverStar001xeon-enouf: well can you paste me both since i am not sure what i am doing
15:08.54xeon-enoufSilverStar001: i have neither :-) /msg dpkg wifi howto
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15:11.03xeon-enoufSilverStar001: this likely has some useful wifi settings info http://genericnerd.blogspot.com/2009/05/converting-toshiba-320cds-to-digital.html (though i haven;t a clue what the diffs are between WPA/WPA/wpa_supplicant)
15:11.18xeon-enoufer WPA/WPA2/...
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15:11.44xeon-enoufgumbox: X -configure
15:12.16xeon-enoufgumbox: and you don't need one, just mv your old one out of the way
15:12.21techousehey! i just updated to the most recent testing version and i got a problem: i have to reload the window manager every time in order to start up compiz properly
15:12.38techousebefore the upgrade it just started up on boot, but no it won't
15:12.55xeon-enouftry update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
15:13.04techousek
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15:14.30techousexeon-enouf: strange... /usr/bin/compiz ain't even listed
15:14.37techousejust 2x metacity and 1x twm
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15:16.06xeon-enoufSilverStar001: you do know about docs in /usr/share/doc/* yes? (just to follow through; /msg dpkg interfaces ; /msg dpkg wpasupplicant)
15:16.36xeon-enouftechouse: hrm, isn't compiz one of those you do something funnyu like "compiz --replace .." ?
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15:17.06techousexeon-enouf: yea and i got that command under gnome session startups, but it won't autorun at startup
15:17.08justintechouse: what do you mean by 'reload the window manager' ?
15:17.10xeon-enoufheh 2x metacity -- likely one is compiz related?
15:17.17techouseif i execute it manually it does though
15:17.26techousemaybe
15:17.28xeon-enoufgnome?
15:17.31techouseya
15:17.58xeon-enoufSystem>preferences>sessions>  autosomething here ... ?
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15:18.03techousei did
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15:18.09techousebut it doesn't work anymore
15:18.22techouseit did before the gnome something upgrade in testing
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15:18.33xeon-enoufgconf-editor? gconftool-2 ? no idea
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15:18.43techousetried that too
15:18.58xeon-enoufwelp, i'm all out then :-)
15:19.04techousedunno....let me check what part of gnome got upped
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15:19.23xeon-enouftechouse: /var/log/dpkg/log ; /var/log/aptitude/
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15:19.37martianlobstercan someone remind me how to turn off reverse dns lookup on sshd ?
15:19.40linuxguyHi could someone please put a good link \ url so i can update lenny and install drivers for an nvidia card please
15:19.57justinmartianlobster: man sshd_config|grep -i dns
15:20.01techousexeon-enouf: yea :)
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15:20.24xeon-enouflinuxguy: just apt-get or aptitude update ; upgrade is something different ; /msg dpkg nvidia
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15:22.14techousexeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/d7b84663b
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15:22.17personWhen deKorator is selected in kcontrol for window decoration, I lose window borders, decoration, buttons, etc. Why?
15:22.31linuxguy<PROTECTED>
15:23.02personAh, problem solved. Sorry
15:23.19linuxguyxeon-enouf, ive found this site for nvidia drivers i need 3d accelaration to for online games
15:23.51xeon-enouflinuxguy: try again, without any leading whitespace ;-)
15:23.52linuxguyp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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15:24.17linuxguyxeon-enouf, thanks
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15:24.36techouselinuxguy: for games you'll probably gonna have to build yourself a low latency kernel
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15:26.05xeon-enouftechouse: heh, might want to look into this pkg? :-P  [INSTALL] compizconfig-backend-gconf
15:26.23techouseyea...i installed that manually
15:26.36techousejust a few moments ago
15:26.38xeon-enoufallworkey-better-now?
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15:27.19techousehaven't tried it yet
15:27.32techousehave ben reading the forums for an hour on solutions
15:27.43techouseubuntu fixed it somehow, but doen't work here
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15:31.56NoCodeWhat qt dependencies would I need to use in in gnome to get qtwitter running?
15:32.03linuxguyxeon-enouf, in this part m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source do i put the 2.6.26-2.686 in between the {} ? or no brackets
15:32.29techousexeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/d7340e4a4 <-- that's what those update alternatives show me up
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15:32.58\amethystlinuxguy:  no, that's represents the version of the nvidia drivers you want
15:33.15techouselinuxguy: no, just get nvidia-kernel-source and build it with module-assistant
15:33.51techouseaptitude install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia
15:33.54techousethen reboot
15:34.01justinreboot?
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15:35.05\amethystlinuxguy:  (either  nvidia-kernel-source  or  nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source  or  nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source  or  nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source)
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15:39.54pecan anyone tell me howto compile the "md-mod.ko" for my system ?
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15:40.07peits an armv7l
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15:42.01Titan8990pe, thats part of the standard kernel package
15:42.52Titan8990pe, maybe aptitude install user-mode-linux
15:43.22xeon-enouftechouse: i guess compiz isn't part of the update-alternatives system? try #compiz? #compiz-fusion?
15:43.25MultiplyIs there a package, which is capable of decompressing split archives, such as .rar, or .7z?
15:43.41peTitan8990: its an beagleboard and the kernel i use isnt into aptitude so the module dir is empty
15:43.42xeon-enouftechouse: /msg dpkg gnome ; /msg dpkg bts  ?
15:43.58Titan8990pe, that means you didn't configure you kernel properly
15:43.59xeon-enoufMultiply: yeah, bash
15:44.04techousexeon-enouf: i just found something fushy in the xsession-errors file
15:44.05xeon-enoufand a for loop :-P
15:44.06techousethis /usr/bin/compiz.real (cube) - Warn: Failed to load slide: /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/ubuntu.png
15:44.15peTitan8990: so i have to enable md when i compile the kernel ?
15:44.19Multiplyxeon-enouf, I was looking for something a bit more simple :P
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15:44.28oxihi
15:44.30xeon-enoufruh roh - usuntu?
15:44.36pemd_raid0=m -> md_raid0=y - like this ?
15:44.37oxihi
15:44.49Titan8990pe, yes, nearly all modules will be installed during kernel compilation with a custom kernel
15:45.02\amethystpe:  or get the modules directory for your kernel
15:45.09oxiis it bad practice to use iptables rerouting for services on port <1025?
15:45.12xeon-enoufMultiply: it is; for i in * ; do unzip -options $i ; done
15:45.16peTitan8990: if i find it ...
15:45.22Titan8990\amethyst, ?
15:45.35Multiplyxeon-enouf, does that work on .rar, and .7z files too? :P
15:45.35peTitan8990: thanks, if i not find it ill try to use the compiled kernel
15:46.08Titan8990don't think kernel.org hosts module dirs? pretty sure your expected to compile the modules
15:46.08\amethystTitan8990:  it sounded like it was currently configured as a module, but that he didn't have any modules for his kernel
15:46.08oxiWhat are the pro/cons of using iptable rerouting VS sudo native bind and privilege drop?
15:46.08xeon-enoufMultiply: if those decompresses/compressors are available
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15:46.17\amethystTitan8990:  oh, this was a self-compiled kernel?  I guess I came in late
15:46.31pe\amethyst: no your right!
15:46.44xeon-enoufMultiply: just make sure you cd into the /dir/ where you have only those types of files prior
15:46.51pe\amethyst: its a precompiled kernel, but not from debian maintainers its for the beagleboard
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15:47.04xeon-enoufwufff?
15:47.10pehttp://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/lenny/v2.6.29-58cf2f1-oer44.1/linux-image-2.6.29-oer44.1_1.0lenny_armel.deb
15:47.11xeon-enoufyou hound! :-p
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15:47.35Multiplyxeon-enouf, I just think it will fail, kinda. :P
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15:47.48\amethystpe:  do the people who compiled it provide modules anywhere?   when you said md_raid0=m  were you talking about the config for the kernel you have?
15:48.19pehttp://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/lenny/v2.6.29-58cf2f1-oer44.1/defconfig
15:48.29xeon-enoufMultiply: ask in #bash
15:49.27xeon-enoufMultiply: or for i in *.rar , or *.7z or whatever
15:49.55MultiplyIt seems the nonfree version of unrar, does it.
15:49.56\amethystpe:  the linux-image-2.6.29-oer44.1_1.0lenny_armel.deb  there includes modules
15:50.04xeon-enoufMultiply: ofcourse ;-)
15:50.26\amethystpe:  including  /lib/modules/2.6.29-oer44.1/kernel/drivers/md/raid0.ko
15:50.28MultiplyBut why is it nonfree, if you can freely download, and install it? :P
15:50.40xeon-enouf!non-free
15:50.40dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>.  To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.  To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>.  For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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15:51.18pe\amethyst: i remember ... i had to build something with uboot
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15:51.29peill try something wait a minute pls
15:51.56\amethystMultiply:  the license doesn't allow you to use the code in a RAR creation program
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15:52.29MultiplyI only need to decompress files, not compress. So I guess it's good enough. :P
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15:53.13xeon-enoufMultiply: what? you're taking from yet not contributing to the Piracy world!? @_@
15:53.21\amethystMultiply:  yes, but it violates the "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor" element of the DFSG, and possibly the "Derived Works" element, so it's in non-free instead of Debian proper
15:53.31MultiplyPiracy? lool
15:53.54xeon-enoufdpkg: talk like a pirate to Multiply
15:53.54dpkgno idea, xeon-enouf
15:53.58ginxI like to spell it with a u myself, for no particular reason
15:54.02ginxendeavour
15:54.12peFUCK YEAH :-D it works ;) thanks for the help
15:54.24xeon-enoufcan you say SpaceShuttle?
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16:00.43linuxguyxeon-enouf, it tells me installing nvidia kernel has failed but also says i ned to add some lines to the sources list i think I have to add something like non-free and contrib to some lines but Im not sure where they are......its been ages since i was using lenny
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16:02.17ryguyhello
16:02.24ginxlinuxguy: /etc/apt/sources.lst ?
16:02.27ginxryguy: hi
16:02.42xeon-enouf!sources.list
16:02.42dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code.  Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list.  Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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16:03.05xeon-enouflinuxguy: and yes, add/append 'contrib non-free'
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16:03.28ginxsources.list :)
16:03.31ryguyquick question: I'm packaging a ruby-gnome2 application into a .deb and I was wondering if ruby and libgtk2-ruby should be under 'depends' or 'pre-depends'
16:04.18xeon-enoufryguy: if they are needed to even just install your app, they're predepends
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16:05.01ryguyxeon: ahh, I thought so.. will the package install automatically install ruby and libgtk2-ruby if they're under pre-depends?
16:05.17ryguypackage installer*
16:05.27xeon-enoufryguy: that;s better asked in /msg dpkg mentors
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16:06.06ryguywhat
16:06.22xeon-enouf!mentors
16:06.23dpkgi heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive.  Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/  http://mentors.debian.net/  #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
16:06.39ryguyoh alright, thanks
16:06.43jellyhow do I update the email address for all my bug reports?
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16:09.39WormFoodis there something special I need to do, to make my kernel not use initrd? I know, I need to make everything needed at boot, compiled into the kernel, like block device and file system....I've done that before....but I can't for the life of me get this fuckin' shit to work on debian
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16:11.07jellyWormFood: make your filesystem, your controller driver, your disk driver and any intermediate drivers built-in, and that's pretty much it
16:11.12xeon-enoufjelly: Debian bug tracking system administrator <owner <AT> bugs<d0t>debian<dot>org>  ??.
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16:11.23jellyxeon-enouf: what?
16:11.24linuxguyxeon-enouf, ive added the non-free to the end of 4 lines so at the end it says contrib non-free but it still says installing the nvidia kernal has failed
16:11.39WormFoodI've done all that jelly....STILL can't get it to work with debian
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16:11.49jellyWormFood: worksforme
16:11.51ginxWormFood: no errors?
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16:12.01WormFoodno errors ginx
16:12.11jellyWormFood: how does it fail?
16:12.29jellyWormFood: also, why do you need it?
16:12.31WormFoodit compiles, loads, and panics when it can't find VFS I want to say (I don't have it in front of me)
16:12.40WormFoodI checked, it is pointing to the right drives
16:12.48flohackHow do I set a DEB_BUILD_OPTION using pbuilder? I'd like to use 'noopt'. I tried pbuilder --build --debbuildopts "noopt" package.dsc, but that does not work as intended :-)
16:13.05jellyWormFood: does your root filesystem contains entries in /dev?
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16:13.21xeon-enouflinuxguy: pastebin your command and all output
16:13.31ginx"can't find VFS" is an error :)
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16:13.31WormFoodprobably not...isn't it configured (by default) to use devfs?
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16:13.41ryguyspkg isnt helping me.. =/
16:13.48jeofizikhello. I downloaded and burned debian lenny ISO file to my flashdisk with Ubuntu startup creator.  then I restarted my system. While installing debian, it says there is no CD in the cd-rom. How can I install it using my flashdisk?  How can I say the installer that my instalition files are in my flashdisk ?
16:13.48xeon-enoufWormFood: what?
16:13.49jellyWormFood: udev, which is loaded from initrd
16:14.00NoCodeWhat kde libraries would I need to compile qtwitter?
16:14.07linuxguyxeon-enouf, is itpaste.debian.org or something like that?
16:14.17WormFoodthen it is probably udev then
16:14.31xeon-enoufpastebin.com or whichever linuxguy
16:14.40jellyWormFood: fill your /dev with devices first, then.
16:14.46linuxguyxeon-enouf, ok thanks
16:14.54jellyWormFood: or use initrd/initramfs
16:15.05xeon-enoufWormFood: someone uses mdev ... or something ;-)
16:15.13jellywhat is "mdev"?
16:15.15WormFoodyeah, I had forgotten to about /dev
16:15.21xeon-enoufWormFood: and test booting with an initrd ;-)
16:15.29xeon-enouf!mdev
16:15.35xeon-enoufbah
16:15.39jellyassumes WormFood has a valid reason not to want initrd
16:15.45roeI'm running testing and a recent update seems to have borked my flashplayer-nonfree plugin for iceweasel
16:16.08ginx"borked"?
16:16.14roescrewed up
16:16.19ginxin what way
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16:16.30WormFoodborked is more of a polite way to say "Fucked"
16:16.31roeit doesn't seem to exist on my system any more
16:16.50ginxand "fucked" is a bad way of saying "foo & bar happen"
16:16.54jellyWormFood: if you use lvm or md or something, you'll still need more workaround, and you might as well give up and use initrd
16:16.58ginxroe: ah ... so repeat installation process?
16:16.58jeofizikwhy anyone dont answer me?
16:17.00jeofizikhello. I downloaded and burned debian lenny ISO file to my flashdisk with Ubuntu startup creator.  then I restarted my system. While installing debian, it says there is no CD in the cd-rom. How can I install it using my flashdisk?  How can I say the installer that my instalition files are in my flashdisk ?
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16:17.11WormFoodno jelly, just a single disk/device
16:17.13ryguywill the package installer automatically install ruby and libgtk2-ruby if they're under pre-depends when making a .deb package?
16:17.17xeon-enoufjelly: http://wildanm.wordpress.com/2007/08/21/mdev-mini-udev-in-busybox/
16:17.29ginxjoeytwiddle: not familiar with startup creator - did you try unetbootin?
16:17.42roeginx, apt says it is installed, and since testing seems to have a few unmet dependencies atm my ability to use apt is limited
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16:18.15WormFoodI've made floppy bootable versions of Linux, from scratch, using initrd....a very educational experience, but that was years ago
16:18.19CocoOhello
16:18.29WormFoodCocoO, 你好
16:18.29jellyxeon-enouf: that doesn't seem to apply to booting without initrd
16:18.36xeon-enoufjeofizik: /msg dpkg usb install
16:18.41jellyWormFood: why are you doing this?
16:18.50hipodilskihi guys I'm looking for an application which would enable me to pickup colors from my screen as an html screen color code
16:18.54ginxroe: so what tells you it's uninstalled?
16:18.58hipodilskiany idea of something that might do it for me?
16:19.10ginxroe: it either is or it isn't, and doing the install process over again can only help
16:19.18xeon-enoufjeofizik: and patience my friend, patience - but in busy channels at times, things get overlooked
16:19.27xeon-enoufor maybe noboby knows
16:19.32xeon-enoufor cares to respond
16:19.42jellyhipodilski: uhh... apt-cache search color picker ?
16:19.46WormFoodjelly, I really don't have a good reason not to use initrd....just an extra step that isn't needed if things are setup right....also, it appears the --initrd option on make-kpkg is borked
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16:19.51roeiU  flashplugin-nonfree                   1:2.8
16:19.58CocoOHello, is there a way  to start a server  "/etc/init.d/server start" under an account name ? i use "su - user -c "/server start" , and it works fine, but when i want to script like ssh account@host "/etc/init.d/server start", it says that it needs a tty. i changed for sudo (sudo , sudo -S) , still the same thing, does someone have an idea ?
16:20.01roewhat does the 'U' mean?
16:20.03jellyWormFood: that one works for me as well.
16:20.17jeofizikxeon-enouf:  I'll try it.   where will I write this?   /msg dpkg usb install
16:20.20xeon-enoufjelly: it'll possibly point towards where to look for narrowing down the issue ;-P
16:20.26WormFoodnot lately, not in unstable in the latest upgrade...it is fuckin' broken....install initrd by hand
16:20.30jmarsdenCocoO: The needs a tty is an SSH issue, add -t to your ssh command line options.
16:20.35xeon-enoufjeofizik: in your irc client
16:20.43jellyWormFood: did it work for you before?
16:20.49jeofizikxeon-enouf:  ah okk :)
16:20.51CocoOjmarsden: tried it too, not working
16:20.53WormFoodyes, it has worked in the past
16:20.55ginxdpkg, hah
16:20.55roeginx, what does the 'U' mean?
16:20.55dpkgginx: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
16:21.00jellyoh, well.
16:21.02ginxroe: which 'U'?
16:21.07WormFoodI haven't compiled my own kernel dpkg in a while, but it did work last time
16:21.14roeiU  flashplugin-nonfree                   1:2.8
16:21.17xeon-enoufjelly: sorry - you were referring to mdev? ok - my bad
16:21.22NoCodeIs there a ncurses microblogging program out there?
16:21.24ginxroe: what's the output from?
16:21.28roedpkg
16:21.34roe-l
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16:21.41jellyxeon-enouf: I'm not contacting admins just to figure out how to chown my bugs!
16:21.41metalfanhi
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16:22.55xeon-enoufWormFood: the --initrd option isn't borked, you just have to cp/modify the example scripts and place them in the newer /etc/kernel/ dir
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16:23.11xeon-enoufjelly: hahaha
16:23.24metalfanhow do you show which files were installed by php5 without using dpkg -c php5...deb?
16:23.27ginxroe: dunno, I'd guess 'upgrade', someone else here will know
16:23.46xeon-enoufjelly: it's like a LISTSERV though, yes? perhaps you can query for help?
16:24.15jellyxeon-enouf: gee I'd never think of that myself.
16:24.17xeon-enouf(IOW have it email a list of known commands, and how to do shit)
16:24.19xeon-enouf:-P
16:24.44xeon-enoufemail /to you/ .. duh
16:26.09xeon-enoufmetalfan: dpkg -L
16:26.09metalfanah thx
16:26.09xeon-enoufmetalfan: the -c is also for examining contents of a .deb sure
16:26.09metalfanim having trobule findind the php executable
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16:26.22xeon-enouf'which php' ?
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16:26.33metalfanno output
16:26.38metalfanits working for apache
16:26.43xeon-enoufor just start php[tab][tab]
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16:27.09Titan8990which php should return correctly
16:27.13jellyxeon-enouf: the last option is of course to do it manually for each bug report, I thought there was a way to avoid that
16:27.14xeon-enoufno idea - libapache2-php-<something> pkg
16:27.17xeon-enouf?
16:27.19metalfanups, oh it doesnt
16:27.20Titan8990' /usr/bin should be in everyones path
16:27.40WormFoodxeon-enouf, there are scripts in the /etc/kernel directory...that is what I look at to get the command line options to use when I execute it by hand
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16:27.55xeon-enoufTitan8990: some things are in /sbin or /usr/sbin or /usr/local/sbin
16:27.55Titan8990xeon-enouf, libapache2-mod-php5
16:28.06Titan8990xeon-enouf, but php is /usr/bin....
16:28.11xeon-enoufok
16:28.24Titan8990xeon-enouf, the point was that if he had php it would have returned correctly with `which php`
16:28.31xeon-enoufok
16:28.45Titan8990xeon-enouf, nothing like being a regular user and it returning null because its in /sbin
16:28.46xeon-enoufknows nothing of php - and is proud of that ;-)
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16:29.06metalfanlibapache2-mod-php5, php5 are installed....why isnt php working?
16:29.06xeon-enoufrighto - like ifconfig :-P
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16:29.33xeon-enoufmetalfan: how about their Depends?
16:29.46WormFoodxeon-enouf, try PHP, it is like PCP but stronger
16:29.54metalfani didnt really notice yesterday, but i thing aptitude took care of that
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16:30.04Titan8990metalfan, a2enmod php5
16:30.13xeon-enoufwell, tell us then - all i know is you asked about a .deb
16:30.24metalfanTitan8990, module php5 already enabled
16:30.32Titan8990oh... we are supporting a non-official php installation?
16:30.37xeon-enoufyeah, man a2[tab][tab]
16:30.41hipodilskijelly: thanks :)
16:31.06jellyhipodilski: there's also the very old, very basic xcolorsel
16:31.43xeon-enoufjelly: gotcha - wish i knew offhand - maybe someone in -offtopic or even -devel on OFTC would know?
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16:32.29jellyxeon-enouf: yeah, I got an answer in #d there
16:32.33metalfanphpinfo() works, displays version and numerous variables
16:32.50Titan8990metalfan, so whats the problem?
16:32.53xeon-enoufjelly: cool
16:32.59metalfanneed to run php for some gaming script
16:33.04metalfanbut theres no php
16:33.16Titan8990metalfan, if phpinfo works, then there is php
16:33.29metalfanyes...
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16:33.58Titan8990alright... start with this:  I am trying to do _____. but instead _____ happens.
16:34.47jelly!ask
16:34.47dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:35.00ginx!whattitanjustsaid
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16:35.21jellyright! :-)
16:35.30ginx!iconcur
16:35.34ginxerm, I concur :p
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16:38.33dutchfishhow can i widen up the entropy pool in Debian, or at least asnwer the q why filled queue is emptied after a short time without being used? There is enough free ram in the system.
16:39.36dutchfishsystem: lenny 3 2bit 2.6.26 latest
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16:41.30metalfanTitan8990, php5-cli contains php
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16:42.04jellyxeon-enouf: bts select submitter:jelly@[censored]
16:42.15Titan8990metalfan, no, php5 contains php. php5-cli contains the cli for php
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16:42.41metalfanok my mistake, i was looking for the executable to run a local script
16:43.16dutchfishmetalfan, you can use both, but cli version does no html encapsulation
16:43.40metalfanwell, without php5-cli i couldnt find any php executable
16:43.41SerajewelKSdutchfish: you mean http encapsulation?
16:43.47dutchfishSerajewelKS, yes
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16:43.57dutchfishSerajewelKS, no, sorry html
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16:44.15SerajewelKSmetalfan: php5-cli is the CLI version of php, libapache2-mod-php5 is the Apache module version of php
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16:44.18SerajewelKSdutchfish: explain
16:44.43metalfanok
16:44.49dutchfishSerajewelKS, just try both, its more easy to se the explain, php-cli doe snot contain html
16:44.53metalfanSerajewelKS, so i really need -cli to run a local file?
16:45.01SerajewelKSmetalfan: yes
16:45.06metalfank
16:45.19SerajewelKSdutchfish: the only difference is that you usually run scripts with apache that output html
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16:45.36SerajewelKSdutchfish: if you run a php script designed to be served by apache with the php CLI, you sure as hell get html output
16:46.01dutchfishSerajewelKS, not always you might as well use php-cli's output for further scripting
16:46.21dutchfishSerajewelKS, php itself does not need apache
16:46.26SerajewelKSdutchfish: if you mean use in a pipeline, sure.  but it's not any different than perl and perl/cgi
16:46.35dutchfishSerajewelKS, bingo
16:46.42SerajewelKSdutchfish: i know that.  but apache's php doesn't do any silly "html encapsulation"
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16:47.04SerajewelKSif your script outputs html, then WHATEVER php interface you use will output html
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16:47.25SerajewelKSyou can write php scripts for apache that output text.  you can write php scripts for cli that output html.
16:47.34SerajewelKSphp doesn't care, it doesn't do any "encapsulation" in either case
16:47.39dutchfishSerajewelKS, sure
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16:48.11SerajewelKSso on "< dutchfish> metalfan, you can use both, but cli version does no html encapsulation" i can't say i understand your point...
16:48.21SerajewelKSthe apache module doesn't either
16:48.48metalfanSerajewelKS, how can you not understand my point?  without php5-cli     php ENTER returns command not found?
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16:49.14SerajewelKSmetalfan: that comment was not directed at you
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16:49.23metalfanups
16:49.30metalfanhighlight....
16:49.34EvilGuruI am attempting to re-build a dpkg from source. I have done so. My patches to the dpkg add some files (which are to be installed with the package). However, the resulting dpkg does not include them. I am quite sure the make files attempt to install them.
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16:53.33\amethystEvilGuru:  does it install them in the correct place?  or did it install them directly into /usr etc?
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16:53.41\amethystEvilGuru:  make install that is
16:54.05EvilGuru\amethyst: I dpkg-buildpackage with fakeroot, as suggested, so I'd expect it to be correct
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16:54.42EvilGuru<PROTECTED>
16:54.58EvilGuru(My patches are to fontconfig adding some extra configuration options.)
16:55.16nsadminEvilGuru: find out exactly where the additional files end up after the make install
16:55.58\amethystEvilGuru:  the make install should put them into e.g. $(DESTDIR)/etc not /etc
16:56.09EvilGurunsadmin: What do you suggest is the best way of doing so? Currently I have left it up to dpkg to decide how to install them
16:56.37EvilGuruI made no modifications to the makefile (which just installs everything in conf.d/* -- where I've added my files)
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16:57.08dutchfishSerajewelKS, you are right, i have mixed up things ...
16:57.10\amethysthm
16:57.21nsadminnono, after the make install, not after package install
16:57.28\amethystEvilGuru:  you might check debian/rules and see if it does anything special with those files
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16:58.11EvilGurudebian/rules is as dry as a martini
16:58.24nsadminmake install reads Makefile
16:58.37nsadminlook at that, and look at the result after make install
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16:59.08\amethystEvilGuru:  so they aren't getting installed
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16:59.45nsadminok, so find out where they actually end up... read make's output
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17:00.02EvilGuruWill do
17:00.07\amethystEvilGuru:  or they're getting removed after they're installed, but that doesn't seem likely if debian/rules is "dry"
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17:01.11EvilGuruIn conf.d/Makefile.am the files are there, but conf.d/Makefile doesn't have them, is automake not being run?
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17:02.24nsadminprobably Makefile is not being regenerated
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17:02.48nsadminand that's probably because it's assumed the existing makefile is fine
17:02.48EvilGuruIs there any way to ask dpkg-buildpackage to do so?
17:03.01nsadminadd it to debian/rules
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17:04.02\amethystEvilGuru:  run it yourself
17:04.11nsadmineven add it as a meke rule
17:04.30EvilGuruI've added it to debian/rules
17:04.37nsadminso that Makefile is regenerated if Makefile.am is newer
17:04.48\amethystIf you add it to  debian/rules your source package should have automake as a build-depend
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17:05.04\amethystif you're planning on distributing the source package, anyway
17:05.08EvilGuruI believe it already does, as there are loads of other rm Makefile stuff
17:05.35EvilGuruI have no idea about distribution, the package is not totally kosher from a patent POV, so it is for *personal use*
17:05.40nsadminalso, if you're planning on distributing, you shouldn't touch /usr/local
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17:05.46wuffi600hi
17:05.49SerajewelKSdutchfish: :)
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17:06.29\amethystEvilGuru:  rememeber that Makefile.am -> Makefile is two steps
17:06.35binraptI am putting together a Mini ITX x86 32-bit box as a router. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ which of these do I need? I am confused. Just #1?
17:06.41EvilGuruNow, I know (and have) installed the package via dpkg -i, but it seems like one big hack and apt-get upgrade wants to revert to the real packages; how should I go about it properly
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17:07.22\amethystEvilGuru:  make sure it has a larger version number, perhaps with an epoch
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17:08.25debayanWhy would a service be "normally down" in runit?
17:09.01stewEvilGuru: just #1, you could also just use the first cd, or a netinst cd.  the dvds are full of packages you won't need, so there is no reason to download them
17:09.11stewbinrapt: ^^^
17:09.15stewEvilGuru: (sorry, wrong person)
17:09.22hlpmeplzi have an ftp service that is trying to use ports 24500-24600 for passive connections.  server is behind a firewall.  firewall is forwarding that port range to my system.  i run netcat -l 24501 on my system, then try to connect to it from the outside with netcat IP 24501 and the connection is refused.  I am wondering if I need to open that port range for tcpd or xinetd or something.  does anyone have any ideas???
17:09.40binraptstew alright thanks
17:09.45EvilGuru\amethyst: I'll read up on bumping the version
17:09.55binraptI guess I'll try netinst first, I probably don't need anything really
17:10.11binraptOh I have one major problem though
17:10.20\amethysthlpmeplz:  no, if you're listening with netcat -l none of that other stuff should matter... only the router's firewall and the host's firewall
17:10.22binraptThis is my hardware: http://www.mini-box.com/MSI-IM-945GSE-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
17:10.43\amethysthlpmeplz:  you might check iptables on the server to make sure it's not blocking that port range
17:11.12binraptI am told that Intel 82574L NICs are not supported by the Linux kernel
17:11.33binraptAnd you need to manually patch the kernel with a contribution called e1000e or something
17:11.51binraptMaybe I should add that to the CD?
17:11.57\amethystbinrapt:  Support for this network adaptor was added to Lenny in 2.6.26-18.
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17:12.05\amethystbinrapt:  according to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509199
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17:12.09stewjudd: pciname 82574
17:12.11juddstew: '82574' matched: [8086:10d3] '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation', [8086:10f6] '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation'
17:12.19stewjudd pciid 8086:10d3
17:12.22juddstew: [8086:10d3] is '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10d3
17:12.23binraptAhhh thanks a lot, \amethyst
17:12.47stewdoes kmuto still maintain his d-i images?
17:13.09stewbinrapt: /msg dpkg kmuto
17:13.19g00seIs it possible to mount ntfs rw with -t smbfs?
17:13.39binraptDoesn't the netinstall CD come with the latest lenny?
17:13.44lunkg00se: probably, but i still think it's not recommended
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17:13.49stewbinrapt: yes, it does
17:13.56binraptOk well then it's all good
17:14.08stewg00se: you should use cifs, not smbfs
17:14.19\amethystg00se:  you have a Windows machine?
17:14.26binraptWhat is eglibc btw?
17:14.31stewg00se: I'm assuming that there is actually a samba server which already has the ntfs drive mounted rw somehow
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17:15.21g00sestew: Ah. I'll try it. The bizarre thing is i'm sure it did work rw earlier today but now is resolutely refusing w
17:15.27\amethystbinrapt:  an extended version of glibc with, among other things, more support for embedded systems
17:15.53g00se\amethyst: Yes, i'm accessing a Windows share
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17:16.55hlpmeplzamethyst: i don't know if that is accurrate.  i have no firewalling at the host.  also, i just changed the ftp processes main port in /etc/services and restarted xinetd and now that port that wasn't working with netcat is working.
17:16.56stewg00se: smbfs should only be used instead of cifs if you are mounted a windows share from a REALLY old version of windows, like windows 98
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17:17.10\amethystg00se:  then you just need to make sure you specify the uid=, gid=, file_mode=, and dir_mode=  when mounting so that the correct people can read or write
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17:18.08g00sestew: cifs made no difference
17:18.27g00se\amethyst: file_mode=rw ?
17:19.05\amethystg00se:  file_mode=644 or 666 (depending on whether you want to allow the uid= user, or everybody, to write)
17:19.11\amethystg00se:  and dir_mode=755 or 777 (likewise)
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17:19.27\amethystg00se:  of course, if the share itself is read-only, that won't help
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17:20.08g00se\amethyst: Thanks. I'll give it a try
17:20.13Kuifje111hello all. when I am trying to run the debian setup using a netinstall disk, I get stuck on the menu where I should select "install". the menu doesnt reply to any of the keys I enter.
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17:20.33hlpmeplzamethyst: i am really stuck here - why would netcat not work, but something else does?
17:20.36defcomhello
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17:21.38\amethysthlpmeplz:  oh
17:21.42defcomif i interrupt a install via apt-get install ..., does dpkg --configure -a finish the install?
17:21.58\amethysthlpmeplz:  wrong netcat syntax...  netcat -l -p 27777
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17:22.53hlpmeplz\amethyst: oh man i am a dummy...
17:23.01hlpmeplz\amethyst: thanks much....
17:23.11hlpmeplz\amethyst: I'm gonna go cry in the corner
17:23.26binraptHmm installing Debian over a network is not so easy to set up, eh?
17:23.50stewbinrapt: if you don't have a remote console, then no, its not straightforward
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17:24.06binraptI just wondered if it was easier than burning it first and temporarily attaching a DVD drive to my mini ITX box
17:24.20\amethysthlpmeplz:  don't feel bad, I didn't notice it either until you said only netcat failed, and I checked the man page
17:24.24Kuifje111I am stuck on the menu of the netinstall disk, what is causing this?
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17:25.17hlpmeplz\amethyst: hahahah - thanks - that's about the 40th time I ran the "netcat -l (port)" cmd incorrectly today.
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17:28.11g00segrinds teeth as *nothing* seems to allow rw to his ntfs share
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17:29.00CutMeOwnThroathuh?
17:29.04CutMeOwnThroat# apt-cache madison alpine
17:29.17CutMeOwnThroat(finds it in stable/testing/unstable)
17:29.25CutMeOwnThroatapt-get install alpine
17:29.31CutMeOwnThroatE: Couldn't find package alpine
17:29.32CutMeOwnThroat???
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17:29.36stewg00se: double check that it is mounted rw on the server
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17:30.09g00sestew: Definitely is.
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17:32.32stewg00se: show us the mount command and/or the line from fstab you are using to mount with
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17:37.06CutMeOwnThroatah, only had deb-src lines for stable/testing/unstable :)
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17:37.34Huldabirhello
17:39.01SPFI use my linux server as gateway. is it possible to delay the packets running through the gateway?
17:39.36lunkSPF: you want to add latency/
17:39.43SPFyes
17:40.45ghostmanmöp!
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17:41.12sepult``se ??
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17:41.26ghostmanque?
17:41.38sepult``que que que
17:41.39flokuehnSPF: why would you do that?
17:41.47CutMeOwnThroatSPF, not easily, as far as I know...
17:42.09SPFit's for testing purposes
17:42.16CutMeOwnThroatit's software so everything is *possible*
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17:42.46|jonathan|is debian a OS?
17:42.49lunkSPF: oh for testing, there is a packet generator in the kernel
17:42.49CutMeOwnThroattried google?
17:43.03sepult``|jonathan|: it's a UOS
17:43.15|jonathan|what is UOS
17:43.31themill|jonathan|: perhaps you should start at www.debian.org
17:43.34sepult``UNIVERSAL
17:43.42|jonathan|k
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17:43.54stew|jonathan|: yes, its an OS, it also might be referred to as a linux distro
17:44.02sepult``sometimes it's gets MULTIVERSE though
17:44.10|jonathan|ohh ic like fedora and ubuntu
17:44.17stew|jonathan|: exactly
17:44.24wuffi600debain is an OS without kernel..?
17:44.38stewwuffi600: no, its an os with kernels
17:44.48|jonathan|can i install it in my pc?
17:44.56stew|jonathan|: sure
17:44.58SPFlunk: it must route existing packets, I can use perl scripts to generate packets
17:44.59flokuehnSPF: may i ask what you want to test?
17:45.15|jonathan|stew can u guys send me free cd in bangladesh?
17:45.17|jonathan|:D
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17:45.38SPFflokuehn: an application that tests latency on differend routes
17:45.55SPFbut I want to make it a bit realistic
17:46.07CutMeOwnThroat!vendors
17:46.08dpkgNot enough time or insufficient bandwidth to download a Debian CD/DVD image?  Vendors of Debian CDs/DVDs are listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/  If your country is not listed, use a vendor who ships internationally.  Also ask me about <install guide>.
17:46.17stew|jonathan|: i would try to contact someone from http://www.linux.org.bd/ for help with that
17:46.58|jonathan|i know one guy from there... should i tell him to send one?
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17:47.07stew|jonathan|: it might be worth a try
17:47.13|jonathan|k
17:47.14|jonathan|:)
17:47.16stew|jonathan|: you can get ubuntu to send you one
17:47.18CutMeOwnThroatSPF, http://osdir.com/ml/network.routing.click/2004-03/msg00042.html
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17:47.53|jonathan|stew debian is awesome
17:47.57stewi agree
17:48.02|jonathan|i just seen the screenshot
17:48.59CutMeOwnThroatwtf is a click router, though
17:49.28sepult``a switch ?
17:50.17sepult``it makes click and then it switches
17:50.20sepult``lol
17:50.26CutMeOwnThroatmmm
17:50.38SPFa modular router
17:50.52CutMeOwnThroatwell, not so useful...
17:51.02|jonathan|does it support ms office programs?
17:51.04sepult``a state machine
17:51.06CutMeOwnThroatbut looks like the keyword you need to look for is "queue"
17:51.11Titan8990nearly all cisco routers are modular
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17:51.56SPFNISTNet that allows you to introduce
17:51.57SPFdelay, lost packets, and more.
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17:52.06SPFI'll try that
17:52.09CutMeOwnThroatthat click thing seems to run with a linux kernel, though
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17:53.52SPFhave to compile it though
17:54.51CutMeOwnThroatSPF, that guy seems to try to do the same: https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/netem/2009-February/001311.html
17:55.35CutMeOwnThroatusing something like tc qdisc add dev eth1 root netem delay 100ms
17:55.44CutMeOwnThroatalthough he didn't get it to work
17:55.52CutMeOwnThroatbah, I'm getting out of touch
17:55.59CutMeOwnThroatdidn't even hear of tc yet
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17:56.37CutMeOwnThroatbut guess reading tc manpages would be a good thing to try?
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17:57.52SPFI could always try to increase traffic towards the gateway I guess
17:58.32SPFor decrease the CPU speed
17:58.38CutMeOwnThroatand read through stuff in the iproute-doc package
17:59.03CutMeOwnThroatmanpage is not detailed enough from what I see
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18:02.10CutMeOwnThroathmpf, iproute-doc is also disappointing in that regard
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18:05.38ginxcaffeine is the best
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18:06.01diepes/msg dpkg lennyr3
18:06.12diepesmmm
18:06.25CutMeOwnThroatfail
18:06.30ginxI'll see your mmm and raise you a bop
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18:07.09diepes//msg dpkg etch
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18:07.18diepeswonder why /msg is not working
18:07.34diepesEmpathy problem ?
18:07.42shivrajhow do I create a partition from free space ?
18:07.51diepesfdisk
18:07.58ginxcfdisk is a little more intuitive
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18:08.03ginxcfdisk /dev/foo
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18:08.38CutMeOwnThroatSPF, ah, what about that: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/
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18:09.18CutMeOwnThroatLook at 6.6.
18:09.47CutMeOwnThroat[...] Delaying packets in this fashion will introduce an artificial latency into the packet's round trip time.
18:10.20CutMeOwnThroatSPF, let me know if you get that to work like you expected...
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18:18.54ces200how can i add debian lenny-bacports address ?
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18:19.20ces200!lenny-backports
18:19.20dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions .  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free.  Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update.  See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
18:19.25ginxheh
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18:22.35CutMeOwnThroat!tell ces200 -about msg the bot
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18:23.10ces200thanks
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18:25.34ces200W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
18:25.42ces200how can i do?
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18:27.35CutMeOwnThroat!backports key
18:27.36dpkgmethinks backports key is apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
18:27.49karstenMorning, droogs.
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18:29.22ghostmannevermind the bolocks!
18:29.25shivrajwonders when the entire world will discover the beauty of Debian ...
18:29.38shivrajis there any estimate of debian userbase ?
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18:39.12dkrshivraj: 247,000
18:39.25neutrinodoes the system boot without xorg.conf file in gui mode?
18:39.51shivrajdkr: I hope you didnt make that number up
18:40.09dkrshivraj: what do you think estimates are?  ;)
18:40.28shivrajdkr: but they should have a number based on package survey, no ?
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18:42.10karstenshivraj: after they're done obsessing over Ubuntu.
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18:42.56SPFCutMeOwnThroat: in 6.6 they give an example how to limit bandwidth. I don't see how it increases latency
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18:46.05karstenSPF: You limit bandwidth by increasing latency.
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18:46.41karstenSPF: You rate-limit responses to TCP traffic.  That inherently reduces the round-trip requests made, and increases the timing between them.
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18:47.46SPFkarsten: so every packet gets a fixed delay?
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18:48.28karstenSPF: I believe it's an aggregate -- packets below the rate limit won't be delayed.
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18:49.13karstenSPF: I haven't messed with QoS, but if you can set the packet limits and timeouts low, you'll likely get a rough approximation of rate limiting.
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18:51.12karstenSPF: Unfortunately for you, most references deal with the opposite problem:  decreasing latency.
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18:51.26aserrhi, has anyone experienced problems with PHP applications in Apache 2 after updating PHP5 packages to version 5.2.11?
18:51.38karstenSPF: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=xMX&q=linux+simulate+low-latency+networking&btnG=Search
18:51.45karstenSPF: ... should start pointing you the right way.
18:52.05karstenSPF: http://page2rss.com/page?url=www.google.com/search?num=100%26q=simulating%2Bnetwork%2Blatency
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18:52.38surlyjakei got class tonight :(
18:52.59SPFkarsten: yes I know, but I think the easiest way is to generate a lot of traffic through a low bandwidth line
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18:53.53SPFkarsten: do you think it's possible to increase the latency with electronics?
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18:58.02aserrit seems that Apache is outputing PHP gzipped contents without specifying it in the HTTP response headers
18:59.08CutMeOwnThroatSPF, that's not what the text in 6.6 says, though...
18:59.23CutMeOwnThroatadmittedly, I don't see how the text and the example go together either
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19:00.32hradhi, is there any tool for finding out what encoding does a file have ?
19:00.55SPFCutMeOwnThroat: I think the best way is to generate traffic though. I'm not confident that I'm capable to get stuff like gdisc to work
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19:03.18stewhrad: what exactly do you mean by encoding? do you mean character encoding of a text file?  encoding of an audio file?  something else?
19:03.34CutMeOwnThroathrad, "file"?
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19:05.01hradstew: I have to identical files, one created on linux and one on windows....a java parser of mine has problems with the windows one...I let it through dos2unix tool and the problem remains
19:05.05hrad*two
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19:05.25hradxml files
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19:05.41hradboth UTF-8 encoding in the header
19:05.51CutMeOwnThroatSPF, looks like it's not totally intuitive to me, too :)
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19:06.21SteveJoneshey if i want to add somethign to my kernel do i have ot make clean and then redo it, or will it build whatever new options i selected long as the revision # is the same
19:06.37stewhrad: are there non-ascii characters in the xml file?  how big is it?
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19:07.25hradonly ascii characters, and it is 10 lines of elements
19:08.12stewhrad: if its only ascii then the encoding doesn't matter.
19:08.14syslq78_Is ext3 reliable? I'm thinking of converting all of my disks from ntfs to ext3? Or should I use something else (ext4, reisenfers)?
19:08.21stew(since basically all the encodings are the same for ascii)
19:09.01hradok
19:09.13stewsyslq78_: ext3 is reliable, and is the one we'd recommend unless you have a good reason not to use it.  ext4 is thought to be reliable but doesn't have anywhere the amount of testing that ext3 has had since it is new.  reiserfs is not reliable
19:09.28stewhrad: can you diff the files?  can you diff the output of "hexdump -C" on each of the files?
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19:10.38syslq78_stew, thanks a lot, I got recommended reiserfs a lot but I read that it's not reliable
19:12.06hradwell, they are not "identical" the elemet's values are different, but all ascii characters
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19:14.07hradbut xsd schema is the same
19:14.20stewdo they both validate against the xsd?
19:14.28stew(xmlstarlet is a tool you can use to check)
19:14.36racecar56O_o the gnome clearlooks theme isn't listed and it is installed
19:15.10hradstew: I know every single character of those 2 :) only the values are little bit different
19:15.12neutrinohow do i auto configured the X setting?
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19:15.58hradthis projects is made by me (linux) friend (windows) and it is running on HP-unix
19:16.01hradHELL
19:16.43hradHP-unix's tar extracting files in a way that it cuts their titles to 20 characters...incredibel
19:16.50el_alexlunaXorg -configure
19:17.02el_alexlunaneutrino: Xorg -configure
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19:17.42racecar56nvm i fixed it
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19:18.02neutrinoel_alexluna, should i stop the gdm for that?
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19:18.45karstenhrad: install gnu tar on HPUX then.  Or look for a compatibility script.
19:18.46el_alexlunaneutrino: mmmm, so, you're actually running X
19:18.58karstenhrad: Alternatively, use cpio, which should bypass this issue.
19:19.42hradkarsten: I did :-) but after I've done a lot of untaring and had to do it all over again
19:19.50karstenhrad: One of the glibc utilities identifies file encodings, though I foreget what at th emoment.
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19:20.29neutrinoyes.. but i could configu the graphic driver, and i am stuck wiht the max. resolution of 800X600.
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19:21.22redtapecan you use rfkill to bypass a "wifi on/off" button on a laptop?
19:21.52karstenhrad: I was thinking of iconv
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19:22.20karstenhrad: That will *change* encoding, but I don't think it actually identifies encoding.
19:22.26hradkarsten: iconv listed the content of the file
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19:23.08hradkarsten: but it seems a good tool for that
19:23.18el_alexlunaneutrino, what graphic video you have?
19:23.38karstenhrad: Yeah, it'll do that, it's basically running a conversion.  There are 1168 recognized encodings in the version I've got.
19:23.52neutrinoel_alexluna, its nvidia geforce 5500
19:23.55hradI'll try this one...thank you karsten
19:24.29el_alexlunaneutrino, try nv
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19:27.45karstenhrad: NP.  Not as much use as I'd hoped to be.
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19:34.29dkris this dovecot security hole something I would have had to enabled? (because I've never heard of SIEVE)  "It was discovered that the SIEVE component of dovecot, a mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes, is vulnerable to a buffer overflow when processing SIEVE scripts"
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19:37.17Titan8990dkr, is this a 0 day? where are you getting info on this?
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19:40.15nex___Hello, debian asks me to insert the CD-ROM, however, i want to use net-mirrors for my apt-get operations, how can i achive this?
19:40.33racecar56nex___: remove the sources.list line of the cdrom
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19:44.27binraptHmm I want to install Debian on a box with a USB stick, what should I be looking at?
19:44.29asgnex___: and /msg dpkg mirrors
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19:44.53binraptI can't just dump the contents of an ISO on the boot stick, right? It is treated like storage instead?
19:45.03binraptSo it looks for a boot loader as it would on a SATA HDD or something?
19:45.25asgbinrapt: look at the install manual at debian.org, it provides instructions
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19:46.03binraptAh dd for Windows sounds like what I need
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19:47.51nexdid i miss anything?
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19:50.10DelfHow do i login in the root account in graphical desktop envior?
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19:50.34Kuifje111terminal -> su
19:50.37pngwnDelf, open a terminal
19:50.55DelfAnd then?
19:51.02Kuifje111terminal -> su
19:51.02pngwntype ?
19:51.30pngwnDelf ^^
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19:52.44Delfbooting up
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19:52.58swathanthranDelf: gnome?
19:53.08Delfswathanthran: yes, i think so
19:53.59swathanthranDelf: can take a "normal" terminal from applications->accessories->terminal and at the prompt you can type "su" and press enter so it asks root password ..
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19:54.18Kuifje111he really needs to get it spelled out?
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19:54.30Titan8990looks that way
19:54.48swathanthranKuifje111: its fun.. ones in a while. to increase your typing speed too.
19:55.25Kuifje111it's all right.
19:55.33Kuifje111there's nothing bad about being helpful anyway.
19:55.44Kuifje111I am just 'poking' a bit.
19:56.02DelfIt's not asking for root password
19:56.10Kuifje111thats because there is NONE
19:56.15Kuifje111you can set it by typing passwd
19:56.20Kuifje111when logged in as root
19:56.25Delfthere is, i set it up when i was installing
19:56.33swathanthranDelf: yeah it will just have the "password:" and it will not do anything as you type the password
19:56.40Kuifje111then the user you executed su with has root privileges
19:56.48Delfno, it doesn't even say "password:"
19:57.04Kuifje111Delf: cat /etc/shadow | grep root
19:57.08Kuifje111check if there is a hash
19:57.09DelfIt says: Delf-Debian:/home/delf# su
19:57.15Delfnext line says: Delf-Debian:/home/delf#
19:57.21swathanthranDelf: press enter:)
19:57.26Delfi did
19:57.28Kuifje111Delf: cat /etc/shadow | grep root
19:57.34Kuifje111check if there's a hash
19:57.34swathanthranoh sorry you are already root
19:57.54swathanthranDelf: thats a root prompt.. the last character of prompt is # which says its root
19:57.56Kuifje111or just set a new darned password with "passwd"
19:57.59Delfbut it says delf, it doesnt say root
19:58.07Delfohh
19:58.14Titan8990Delf, thats your hostname
19:58.16Delfi know the root's password
19:58.29swathanthrandeDelf-debian is the name of your system and /home/delf is the current directory
19:58.38Delfi understand
19:58.45Kuifje111there is no root password set!
19:58.47teddymillsneed a simple backup for debian 5..web gui...uses rsync, has email notification..and ideas? web gui part would be nice but not essential...
19:58.58Delfbut how do i login with root in a graphical enviroment? @ logon i wrote root i couldn't login
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19:59.07Titan8990teddymills, use rsync, subtract webgui
19:59.18Titan8990teddymills, cron itself does email
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19:59.19zandDelf: you'd need to edit the gdm config, but it's not recommended to do that.
19:59.28Kuifje111Delf: remove autostart of GDM, login as root -> startx
19:59.53Delfok... so you just don't login in a graphical envior with the root account?
19:59.53teddymillsneed a simple backup for debian5 A) rsync B) email notification C) web gui would be nice but not required
19:59.58Kuifje111Delf: it is not recommended though, because it makes your PC EXTREMELY vulnerable to attacks.
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20:00.21DelfKuifje111: attacks from where? ethernet?
20:00.22Kuifje111use SUDO
20:00.36Kuifje111apt-get install sudo
20:00.50Kuifje111sudo <stuff you want to be executed as root>
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20:01.48Titan8990Kuifje111, that is not often recommended
20:01.49Kuifje111maybe you should as well read the beginner's guide
20:02.01stewteddymills: backuppc does all of that
20:02.16Kuifje111sudo is not often recommended?
20:02.35TrueDDHi all
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20:03.06DelfFirst time i'm using Debian or linux for that matter
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20:03.16Titan8990Kuifje111, no but it is fine for most users
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20:03.36IglooDoes anyone know if there are vlc backports for stable anywhere?
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20:03.53Titan8990judd, versions vlc
20:03.55juddTitan8990: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 1.0.1-1+b1 sid: 1.0.1-2+b1
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20:04.14syntaxxhi i would like to know which is faster.. a quad proc server with 2.33Ghz or a eight proc server with only 1.86Ghz? both with the same memory of 32GB each
20:04.15Titan8990Igloo, no backports but if you check their official site i think they have their own repo
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20:04.36Titan8990syntaxx, depends on what they are doing
20:04.46asgsyntaxx: depends on if your workloads are more dependent on parallelism and not raw speed.
20:04.56syntaxxTitan8990: they are both doing the same thing
20:05.01Titan8990having 8 cores is not going to help if your applications do not run multiple threads for example
20:05.16teddymillsbackuppc looks fine..but it has 50 dependencies
20:05.23Titan8990when it comes to compiling, more cores is typically better
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20:05.41IglooTitan8990: Only for unstable, AFAICS
20:05.41Delfi just did a apt-get install tinc
20:05.48Delfwhere do things get installed?
20:05.59Titan8990Delf, dpkg -S tinc
20:06.00asgDelf: dpkg -L <pkg>
20:06.12Kuifje111here /usr/local, AFAIK
20:06.21IglooTitan8990: Thanks for the info, though
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20:06.40Titan8990Delf, in linux you have a $PATH variable (can be viewed with `echo $PATH`). application are typically put in that path so that you would just type `tinc` and it will launch
20:06.59Titan8990Delf, any command IN your path can just be typed by itself
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20:07.16Delfsays command not found
20:07.23Delfi did tinc -K
20:07.30syntaxxasg: they are both doing the same thing. i tried running the same application on both of them  and the results is quad finish earlier than the 8 proc.. i am looking for possible difference between the two
20:07.35asgDelf: you can always use locate or whereis
20:07.43Delfok
20:07.49Delflocate tinc
20:07.50Delf?
20:08.10Titan8990Delf, it appears to be a daemon named tincd
20:08.16asgDelf: presuming tinc is the binary. It may also, as Titan8990 said, be installed somewhere that isn't in your $PATH
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20:08.21Delfyes, its a daemon
20:08.23Titan8990Delf, use tab completion e.g. type tinc and press [tab]
20:08.32Delfok
20:08.45Titan8990also man tincd for instructions on how to use
20:08.49asgsyntaxx: then, for that workload, choose the quad if that is primarily what it is going to be used for.
20:08.53Delfyea. it added a d and a space so it became tincd _
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20:09.14DelfTitan8990: i've used tincd on windows
20:09.16Titan8990Delf, also i should mention PPTP should die...
20:09.17lukasHello, I search for the package containing rexec binary, I have not found it on packages.debian.org in lenny, but I am fairly sure that it should be somewhere. Does anyone knows?
20:09.37lukasDelf: You mean the project?
20:09.43Titan8990Delf, openvpn is probably a better solution
20:09.46asglukas: /msg dpkg search
20:10.05asglukas: though these days, I think rexec is a symlink to ssh
20:10.06DelfI don't like OpenVPN
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20:10.11DelfI like Tinc much more
20:10.23lukasasg: yes, but the requirement to me is rexec
20:10.55lukasasg: it is possible to be installed on another distros, I know it is not safe, but I need it
20:10.59Delflukas: The program Tinc VPN i've used on Windows
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20:11.42asglukas: then use 'apt-file' to find which package provides it
20:12.06javad_good day everyone ,While using fsck all questions have been answered with YES except those 2 last questions that have been answered NO ,after this ,now filesystem partition is corrupted , and in doing fsck from another linux on this filesystem results http://paste.debian.net/47372/
20:12.35lukasDelf: okay, I do not know it
20:12.41DelfTitan8990: whats better with openvpn?
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20:14.00Delfgod, i don't understand much
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20:14.08wedgejavad_: what partitions are found on that disk? can you do fsck on those /dev/sdb1 for example?
20:14.23Delfwhen i type locate tincd nothing happens
20:14.25sepultnor do we understand god much
20:14.31sepultlol
20:15.00Delfsepult: I understand my hated for god, that's enough for me.
20:15.19javad_wedge except filesystem partition other partitions have been oked by chack option in gparted
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20:16.03Delf"whereis" worked more than "locate"
20:16.17wedgejavad_: rescue the data on other partitions
20:16.19Delfhow do you change directory?
20:16.27Titan8990Delf, openvpn is a more common VPN solutions for a couple reasons
20:16.28asgDelf: cd
20:16.31wedgethen recreate partitiontables and bootsectors and stuff
20:16.46asgDelf: /msg dpkg grounding
20:16.49Titan8990Delf, openvpn uses standard protocols where tinc uses its own. openvpn support PKI and ipsec
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20:17.10DelfTitan8990: it's almost Open and it does not support mesh/cloud topology
20:17.13Titan8990Delf, and it available on multiple platform WITHOUT a unix emulator
20:17.37Titan8990Delf, almost open?
20:17.42Delfyes
20:17.45Delflol
20:17.58binraptHmm I am currently trying to figure out how to install Debian on a 4 GiB USB stick. It currently is formatted with fat16 so I guess Debian can't use it
20:18.13binraptThe only option I have is erasing the data from it it seems
20:18.15Titan8990Delf, not sure what that means... but you can do full mesh with openvpn
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20:18.21Titan8990Delf, may not be as easy
20:18.30DelfTitan8990: how would that work?
20:18.39binraptCan't I install Debian on it somehow? Do I need to replace it with ext3 or something like that first?
20:18.49Titan8990Delf, quick google search landed me on this: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2006-11/msg00186.html
20:18.56DelfLast time i asked in their channel, they said it doesn't do mesh
20:19.35javad_wedge other partitions are ok now but linux root partition is not ok ..
20:19.54asgbinrapt: /msg dpkg install
20:19.55wedge/dev/sdb is not linux root partition
20:20.10wedge<PROTECTED>
20:20.31Titan8990Delf, most people that need full mesh probably implement VPLS solutions
20:20.51DelfWhat is a VPLS solution?
20:21.00Titan8990but thats a service provided by your carrier
20:21.18Titan8990Delf, virtual private LAN service
20:21.27DelfYes, that is what I want
20:21.30teddymillsapt-get install rsync...problem, it says try apt-get install -f that displays >E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration on libc6
20:21.41Titan8990Delf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Private_LAN_Service
20:21.53DelfTitan8990: I'm there already, thank you.
20:21.54Titan8990Delf, MPLS is the most common... and likely the most expensive
20:22.08Delfexpensive? Hardware required?
20:23.15Titan8990no, you have to pay a carrier a ton of money
20:23.53Titan8990in a VPLS all the work is done my the PE (provider equipment), which you pay out the ass for
20:23.58Delfrelatives and friends are donating FOOD to me. I don't have enough money for food. I got no money to pay a carrier lol.
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20:24.27Titan8990oh, when the phrase "full mesh" came up i thought we were talking about a business solution
20:25.01DelfNo, it's a group of friends who are trying to play lan games over internt
20:25.01Delfinternet*
20:25.32Titan8990oh, we used to use hamachi for that
20:26.18Titan8990probably about the same as what your already using
20:26.18Delfit costs
20:26.18Titan8990not with < 8 users or so, which we never had that many
20:26.18Delfit limits the amount of guys connected in a network
20:26.18Delfwe're above 20
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20:26.41DelfI have a network here so i thought of installing tincd on one machine that links my lan to friends lan
20:26.52DelfUsing debian on one machine here.
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20:27.22DelfBut i don't understand much. Tincd works for Windows too but not as good as for Debian
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20:28.05Titan8990you haven't learned how to use debian yet
20:28.15Delfindeed
20:28.17Titan8990if this was your first day using windows you think you would pick it right up?
20:28.18Delfit's not easy
20:28.31DelfI doubt that.
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20:29.10DelfThe best things are the things that are open source
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20:29.15Titan8990you will find that although linux isn't always "user friendly" it is "expert friendly"
20:29.28DelfI see
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20:30.30javad_wedge thanks after using fsck /dev/sdb2 ,until now about 10 min questions has been answered with Yes but how long it would be last ?
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20:31.33wuffi600hi.
20:31.35DelfI like expert friendy
20:32.22wuffi600what package provides the gnome lmsensors applet? what's its name?
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20:34.07cheako_Hello, I have an SATA blu-ray  drive that is reading DVDs at 3M/S and an IDE DVD  that  is doing  6M/S.  Both increase speed as they  get  closer too the end of  the  media.
20:34.30cheako_I looked up and both drives should  be doing 16X/12X  SL/DL.
20:34.41cheako_/proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info clams speed 48 forthe one  and 37 for the other.
20:34.52cheako_What does this figure  indecate? does  this  mean that forr DVD  speeds cdrom speeds  need to  be  fast as   well?
20:35.01cheako_ahh, the  drive's cdrom speed should also be  48, not 37.
20:35.28cheako_using hdparam   to  alter  the  speed in   ineffective.
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20:41.11NoReflexHey guys!
20:41.29macrobatwuffi600: maybe sensors-applet
20:42.15NoReflexI'm trying to compile pgadmin3 from source. How can I make it use the same folders (for libraries, binaries, docs etc.) as the version from the repos and make menu items in gnome?
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20:42.58dkrTitan8990: sorry for long delayed response.  I was out to lunch.  I learned of the vulnerability from the debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org list announcing the security updates for it
20:44.22wuffi600macrobat, yep thanks (i always search for lmsensors instead of just sensors, that was the problem). thanx
20:45.00CutMeOwnThroat!tell NoReflex -about package recompile
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20:51.30russell_his there something wrong with the whiptail packages in lenny?
20:51.42russell_hI'm trying to bootstrap a lenny instance but it keeps failing on that one
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20:52.45NoReflexCutMeOwnThroat, I'm not trying to create deb files...just to compile the program. If I compile the program using the default options for configure it will put the files at different locations and won't make menu entries.
20:53.11CutMeOwnThroatwhat's wrong with making packages?
20:53.20stewrussell_h: what is the error you are getting?  how are you trying to bootstrap? with debootstrap? if so, which version?
20:53.22CutMeOwnThroatif you go outside the package system you'll only create a mess
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20:53.55CutMeOwnThroatalso... if you start out with the exact debian package and modify that, you'll automatically use everything the way the package uses it
20:53.56russell_hstew: debootstrap 1.0.15
20:54.14stewjudd: versions debootstrap
20:54.15juddstew: debootstrap -- etch: 0.3.3.2etch1 sid: 1.0.10 lenny: 1.0.10lenny1 sid: 1.0.10lenny1 squeeze: 1.0.15 sid: 1.0.17
20:54.20stewthat should work
20:54.27stewrussell_h: what is the error you get with whiptail?
20:54.29russell_hstew: and the last lines are 'I: Unpacking whiptail...' then 'W: Failure while installing base packages'
20:54.39russell_hsays it will retry 5 times, which it does
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20:54.50stewrussell_h: you aren't out of disk space, are you?
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20:55.31russell_hstew: hmmmm, I'll have to investigate that. I'm trying to create a VM using ganeti
20:55.43cheako_Where can I go  to   get help  on  hal  and wine?  For  my problem  wine   discovers  mounted  DVDs via hal  and  the  makes them available to  dvdshrink, prior  to this   things are as if  there just  is no  DVD drive.  the   issue   have is that there are two DVDs,  but only  one shows up in  wine.
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20:56.33stewNoReflex: why not use the debian packages?  seems like they would do what you want
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20:57.28NoReflexstew form what I undestand I need to get the sources from debian. What if there isn't the source version I need in the repo?
20:57.41stewNoReflex: which version do you need?
20:58.28NoReflexI only have the pgadmin3 v 1.10.0
20:58.40stewjudd: versions pgadmin3
20:58.41NoReflex*need
20:58.41juddstew: pgadmin3 -- etch: 1.4.3-2 lenny: 1.8.4-3 sid: 1.10.0-1+b2 squeeze: 1.10.0-1+b2
20:58.43stewNoReflex: what version do you need?
20:58.55stewNoReflex: /msg dpkg ssb
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20:59.33stewNoReflex: if the version you needed wasn't yet available, I'd recommend trying to use uupdate with the unstable package, but in this case it is available
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21:00.39NoReflexuupdate seems to do what I wnat
21:00.51NoReflexwill try
21:01.21NoReflexthank you stew
21:01.52stewNoReflex: no, uupdate is NOT what you want here
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21:04.15NoReflexstew. I got tow machines one running debian lenny and one running Jaunty. I trying to figure out a scenario for install pgadmin v.1.10.0 in both. I believe I could use the source from sid in lenny but what do I do with my Ubuntu machine
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21:05.07NoReflexIf I get the source from the release I'm using (jaunty and lenny) and the use uupdate I can have the same install script on both, right?
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21:07.02catsuplol what
21:07.25catsupwtf is "jaunty and lenny"
21:07.53stewNoReflex: you should not be using uupdate, you should be able to just build the same source once for each
21:07.58stewcatsup: they are release codenames
21:08.06zleapJaunty is the current ubuntu release, lenny is a debian release (debian releases are named after toy story characters)
21:08.07catsupum
21:08.09catsupi know that
21:08.12zleaplenny, sid, woody, squeeze
21:08.25zleapok sorry
21:08.26stewcatsup: then perhaps you should rephrase your question?
21:08.36catsupi didn't ask what are "jaunty" and "lenny"
21:08.40catsupi asked what is "jaunty and lenny"
21:08.48stewand you know what they are
21:09.14zleapcodenames
21:09.38zleapjaunty jackalope,  lenny was not sure who lenny was in toy story
21:09.40simonrvn\o/
21:09.46stewzleap: the binoculars
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21:09.51zleapah
21:09.53zleapthanks
21:10.09englawhich license should I use for program documentation? GPLv3+ just like the application?
21:10.27stewengla: you can use GPLv3
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21:10.57simonrvnyou could use the artistic license, same license, or art libre one (that's what i'd consider)
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21:11.27englais GPLv3 more clear in how it applies to non-sourcecode (than v2)?
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21:11.33stewengla: the FSF (the authors of the GPL) created the GFDL for documentation, but mostly becuase they don't believe documentation should be free like other software
21:11.55catsupstew: i know what they are
21:11.59englayeah but GFDL. I won't include another license text just for that
21:12.04catsupstew: i don't know what "jaunty and lenny" is
21:12.05stewcatsup: then why are you asking
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21:12.30catsupsingular/plural, hello
21:12.46stewcatsup: "jaunty" is "a release name for ubuntu", lenny is "a release name for debian".  "jaunty and lenny" is "a release name for ubuntu and a release name for debian"
21:12.58catsuplol
21:13.09catsupstew: man are you not paying attention or something
21:13.14catsup17:05 <NoReflex> If I get the source from the release I'm using (jaunty and lenny) and the use uupdate I can have the same  install script on both, right?
21:13.19catsupwhat does that mean then?
21:13.27catsupwhat does it mean to be using a release called "jaunty and lenny"?
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21:13.37englawell you can mix however you want with apt
21:13.41simonrvn*headdesk*
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21:13.45catsupdoes that imply that apt sources contains both debian and ubuntu?
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21:14.00stewcatsup: he wants to know if he can create a source package and compile it for both a ubuntu release and a debian release, or if he should create two different source packages
21:14.19NoReflexcatsup I'm using Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope 9.04 64bit and Debian Lenny (on different computers)
21:14.34catsupoic
21:14.41stew17:13 < catsup> stew: man are you not paying attention or something
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21:15.02catsupstew: notice that engla interpretation was mixed apt sources...
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21:15.25stewcatsup: i'm sorry i didn't misunderstand NoReflex the way you did
21:15.31stewi guess
21:15.32catsuppoint being, the statement was ambiguous
21:15.39catsupyou didn't pick up on the ambiguity
21:16.34englawell that's how much a missing plural s means. I guess we nerds should pare down on being so fricking literal (that's for me) ;-)
21:16.41Spidahow much memory (ram) do I need at very least to run a linux kernel? I am thinking about running a minimalistic, optimized kernel on an embedded system...
21:16.54stew"I can have the same install script on both" implied that there were two different installs, but whatever, we should move on, he found out what he needed
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21:17.11stewSpida: are you asking specifically about debian?
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21:17.18stewSpida: or linux in general?
21:17.33catsupi gave up parsing earlier in the sentence
21:17.45stewthen there is REALLY no point in continuing
21:17.46CutMeOwnThroatstew, heh, obviously you have to work hard on your misunderstanding techniques :)
21:17.49Spidastew: hm, in different order, both.
21:17.53NoReflexCompiling v.1.10.0 right now stew. Hope it will work
21:18.06CutMeOwnThroatI can see why you're being criticized for that
21:18.07Spidastew: I would like to run debian, but that would require a linux kernel first *g*
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21:18.28wald0im looking at the patches of the kernel patches package, can anybody tell me what are these "request_firmware" patches for ? this means that the original linux source INCLUDES non-free firmwares and so this patch removes it from the kernel and add it externally ? or what is for ?
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21:18.39catsupSpida: how much memory do you have?
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21:18.58CutMeOwnThroatSpida, not true... /msg dpkg debian bsd
21:19.21stewSpida: the current debian installer needs somewhere in the 32-48mb range, but if you can install on other hardware, then put the finished install into the embedded system, you can use less.  i'm not sure how much less, though
21:19.48Spidacatsup: the hardware doesn't exist yet, but I expect it to have something in the one-digit megabyte range... perhaps even less.
21:20.31stewwald0: so that we can still try to ship a fully free kernel, and provide the non-free firmware in a package in a separate non-free repository
21:20.44Spidastew: the installer won't work, because I only have ethernet and jtag.
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21:20.51catsuphttp://www.emdebian.org/release/crush/x225.html
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21:21.14stewSpida: (the install can be made to work via ssh)
21:21.47catsupyou don't need to use the installer at all, you can use debootstrap
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21:22.13CutMeOwnThroatSpida, mm, kernels can be quite small - dd-WRT uses a linux kernel on devices using as little as 2MB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT
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21:22.49CutMeOwnThroatit surely does depend on your hardware, though
21:22.51madhathow do i permenantly make a command in terminal use an executable file?
21:23.12CutMeOwnThroatadd an alias in .bashrc?
21:23.17wald0stew: that sounds good, is this just compatible at the same way ? so if i compile my kernel with these patches i will have the same support for that hardware by having these firmware packages installed ? or its better to leave the vanilla kernel as default ?
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21:24.27phluxCan anyone recommend a decent console-based mail client? I need to use pop3 to retrieve mail and smtp to send.
21:24.36Spidaphlux: mutt
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21:24.49phluxSpida: afaik, mutt won't use SMTP
21:24.49SpidaCutMeOwnThroat: what about less than 1MB of memory?
21:25.02petemcphlux: yes it will
21:25.03CutMeOwnThroathow should I know
21:25.18stewwald0: if you compile your kernel with those patches you should be able to use the firmware package (assuming, of course, that the firmware is still compatible with whatever driver versions you are comiling)
21:25.28phluxhmm, really..
21:25.30petemcphlux: i use mutt with gmail, works great
21:25.31catsupit won't, according to mutt faq
21:25.33phluxlooks into mutt
21:25.34Spidaphlux: than install ssmtp or some small mailserver
21:25.39catsuphttp://www.fefe.de/muttfaq/faq.html
21:25.43CutMeOwnThroatphlux, alpine? I don't think clients will do pop3... you normally use fetchmail or somesuch to get it to your local maildir
21:25.51phluxpetemc: and you send mail from your @gmail.com account?
21:25.57petemcyes
21:26.07catsupunless that's out of date
21:26.09phluxpetemc: does mutt retrieve the mail too, or do you use fetchmail?
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21:26.22petemcphlux: i use gmails imap
21:26.54phluxpetemc: but, mutt retreives the mail for the imap?
21:26.54CutMeOwnThroatphlux, I think 8MB as in thouse $30 routers isn't really a high requirement on an embedded device...
21:27.00CutMeOwnThroaterr
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21:27.04phlux:P
21:27.14CutMeOwnThroatSpida, not phlux
21:27.22phluxI'll look into mutt
21:27.23phluxThanks
21:27.25wald0stew: this sounds a bit like that if i dont apply these patches, they will work more "for sure", so every version of the kernel includes their own "needed" firmwares for every device that requires it, right ?
21:28.07stewwald0: the debian versions of the kernel do not include the firmwares
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21:32.00CutMeOwnThroatSpida, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=embedded+linux+minimal+ram+requirement&l=1
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21:39.13NoReflexstew I downloaded pgadmin 1.8.4 on my Jaunty machine downloaded the new source (pgadmin3-1.10.0.tar.gz) did uupdate ../pgadmin3-1.10.0.tar.gz then ./configure, make and sudo checkinstall. All these commands completed succesfully but my package wasn't added to the menu like the version form the repo would have been and was installed to /usr/local/pgadmin3
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21:40.53stewNoReflex: if you want to compile it by hand instead of using the debian packages, youd have to install the menu entries yourself
21:41.11stewNoReflex: did you try the simple sid backport method I was pointing you to?
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21:42.23NoReflexI was on my Ubuntu machine ...
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21:42.33stewNoReflex: it would work just the same there
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21:44.31baboon1hello everyone:)
21:44.44NoReflexstew I can't seem to find what you said about the backports method
21:45.09stewNoReflex: /msg dpkg ssb
21:45.13baboon1I'm looking for old fglrx packages since the new ones dont supprt my graphics card anymore... anybody got an idea where to get them?
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21:45.48stewbaboon1: is there a reason you need fglrx instead of a free driver?
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21:46.55NoReflexstew: So I can use sid's deb-src in Ubuntu?
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21:47.14stewNoReflex: i would think so, but you should really be asking this question in #ubuntu not here
21:48.09stewNoReflex: they might tell you it would be better to use a karmic deb-src instead, i have no idea.  I don't know much about ubuntu
21:48.43baboon1@stew: yes, radeon driver doesnt support 3D accel.
21:48.58stewbaboon1: it does for many cards, just not yours?
21:49.23stewbaboon1: which model card do you have?
21:49.41baboon1it is a mobility radeon X300 - I think, cant check now... X300 for sure, laptop
21:49.59stewbaboon1: the radeon driver has 3d accelleration for an x300 for sure
21:50.11stew(has for a long time).  "man radeon" should confirm this
21:50.13baboon1well DRI doesnt work
21:50.20stewit would for an x300
21:50.29stew(as long as the radeon kernel module was loaded)
21:50.40markybobdri works fine on my radeon :P
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21:51.19baboon1maybe Im confusing this, but the Xorg is loading the radeon module, and it does fine, but DRI wont work
21:51.29stewbaboon1: is the radeon kernel module loaded?
21:51.47baboon1there is 2 modules called radeon???
21:52.25baboon1too bad the laptop is not running anymore, and I cant connect now.
21:52.26stewbaboon1: no, there is only one
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21:52.30wald0stew: last question, i have not finished to understand a small thing: vanilla kernels includes the firmware inside it ? or they just can be compiled including the firmware if you have it somewhere ?
21:53.05baboon1well, as I said. the xorg is loading the module, and it is there, but xorg output says, DRI disabled.
21:53.21Arrowmasterevery 30 minutes, exactly on the 20 after and 50 after marks, my syslog is getting spammed with "dmraid-activate: ERROR: Cannot retrieve RAID set information for ..." messages....
21:53.35stewwald0: vanilla kernels contain non-free firmware right in the drivers.  becuase these firmwares are typically non-free by debian standards, the firmware has been removed from the debian kernel source and provided in a separate pacakge
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21:54.04SpidaCutMeOwnThroat: google at least works without javascript
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21:54.21wald0ok, i got it now entirely, thanks :)
21:54.34stewbaboon1: ok, then yes, if you are calling the xorg driver a module, then yes, there are two modules, there is also a loadable kernel module named radeon which is required for DRI
21:54.44SpidaCutMeOwnThroat: besides, statements of "less than 1MB ram" are not very usefull
21:55.06insanehello, i'm trying to install xorg on my machine but when i issue apt-get install xserver-xorg, apt wants to install drivers for all video cards in the whole universe. is there any way to specify that i only want nvidia drivers?
21:55.13baboon1and the xorg server doesnt trigger the module loading?
21:55.47baboon1i mean there is radeon.ko... this is the kernel module, and afair it was there...
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21:58.01stewbaboon1: well, i can tell you for sure that it must be loaded, and I can tell you that I used a x300 sucessfully with DRI many years ago
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21:58.27baboon1insane: i think installing with apt-get just also install xorg-video-all, which is just a dependency package for all the drivers
21:59.06insanebaboon1: so there's no way not to install not necessary drivers using apt?
21:59.37stewinsane: try apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-nv
21:59.56baboon1stew: I see... so I'll just test when the system is up & running, thanks.
21:59.56baboon1-BUT 1 more thing - skype freezes the xorg, when video is swithced to 2x size... havent found anything useful so far...
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22:00.07stewinsane: there is, its just that it defaults to installing the video-all package if you don't tell it a more specific package
22:00.26insanestew: thanks, i'll try it
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22:00.29baboon1insane: what about aptitude ;)
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22:00.56syslq78Is it safe removing 5% reserved for super user on ext3 partition on the external backup drivE?
22:01.05stewsyslq78: yes
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22:01.34syslq78stew, what's the deal with that 5 % anywaY?
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22:01.51stewsyslq78: to make sure root can login to fix things if / is  full
22:02.14syslq78stew, so that's only for system drives
22:02.22syslq78thanks
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22:08.24baboon1AH! since I'm here! how the heck is the dhclient3 started & WHERE (in which script) - I just can't find it !!!
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22:08.43azeembaboon1: /etc/network/interfaces, probably
22:08.52azeemit's started by ifup
22:08.54azeemif configured
22:09.17baboon1probably... I LOOKED - I f*cking looked everywhere!!!
22:09.26dvinchi____cheken all http://youimage.ok.pe/?v=3.jpg niña guarra de la Uni
22:09.41SteveJoneshrmm i did another kernel and it says "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'
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22:09.55SteveJonesumount devfs: not mounted, but i dont see in the filesystems area a 'devfs' filesystem
22:10.11valdynSteveJones: what kind of system is that that you have devfs in fstab?
22:10.21valdynSteveJones: woody?
22:10.22SteveJonessarge
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22:10.41SteveJonestrying to update kernel to 2.6.31 (i know sarge si old and crappy)
22:10.50valdynSteveJones: devfs is no longer supported
22:11.11valdynSteveJones: before you upgrade to that kernel you should probably upgrade that system to via etch to lenny
22:11.32valdyn!sarge
22:11.32dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported.  Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>.  Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge
22:11.43baboon1azeem: youre right... ifup binary has the path to dhclient3 hardcoded in it, and pump, and others...
22:11.49valdynSteveJones: or just dont upgrade to 2.6.31
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22:12.00SteveJones2sorry got dc'd
22:12.03valdynSteveJones: i dont quite understand why you would do that anyway
22:12.29SteveJones2valdyn: do which?
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22:12.54valdynSteveJones2: why would you install the latest upstream kernel on a sarge system?
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22:13.04SteveJones2valdyn: well so it ddoesnt have a vulnerable kernel
22:13.12streunerwhy does somebody use sarge anyway?
22:13.14valdynSteveJones2: thats an unsupported kernel
22:13.24SteveJones2valdyn: i did it on another p3 and it worked just fine
22:13.27valdynSteveJones2: its not supported by debian
22:13.30azeemSteveJones2: everything else is vulnerable anyway, I guess
22:13.31SteveJones2understtood
22:13.57SteveJones2upgrading the kernel helps plug what holes i can plug, that'd stop quite a bit of root escalated remote exploits based on having a newer kernrel
22:13.57valdynSteveJones2: thats alright, its going to work with many sarge system i suppose, but theres no support
22:14.06SteveJones2right i understand that
22:14.20valdynSteveJones2: do you even have remote shell users on that system?
22:14.25SteveJones2absolutely not
22:14.43valdynSteveJones2: well, so you should be concerned about broken server daemons, not really the kernel
22:14.51SteveJones2but sadly due to crappy app software/ some clients have been forced to stay on thta server
22:14.53baboon1the problem is, that I have trouble getting a DHCP IP from a cable-modem provider on startup... everytime dhclinet3 times out after 5 attempts. on ubuntu it works... also using dhclient3, and the difference in the commandline is just a "-e IF_METRIC=100" stanza, so I wanted to add that to the commandline also... I mean now I did in /etc/network/interfaces, but there MUST also be a way to change those commandline params - isn't there
22:15.04SteveJones2i cant update server software, php4/apache 1 etc
22:15.11valdynSteveJones2: one fairly decent solution might be that you use the lenny kernel
22:15.19valdynSteveJones2: but you must get rid of devfs
22:15.27SteveJones2ok
22:15.37valdynSteveJones2: and use a static /dev instead
22:15.44SteveJones2i just did a make-kpkg kernel with all the crazy h/w rquirements
22:15.50SteveJones2the lenny kernel wouldnt have that either
22:16.05valdynSteveJones2:  lennies kernel is at least supported
22:16.16SteveJones2any documentation on how to change/switch the dev?
22:16.21linuxermy grub bootloader is broken. i tried to restore it with chroot but now my menu.lst is broken. could someone help me plz
22:16.27SteveJones2or simply comment it out and it'll rebuild within the ext3
22:16.36valdynSteveJones2: umm
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22:16.42valdyn!devfs
22:16.42dpkg[devfs] obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about <devfs faq>
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22:17.07valdynSteveJones2: devfs is one method to maintain /dev. Ext3 is a disk filesystem, thats something entirely different
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22:17.23valdynSteveJones2: udev is what is used now - but you cant just use udev on a sarge system
22:18.02SteveJones2ok well why did it work on a basic sarge system?
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22:18.17valdynSteveJones2: sarge did not require you to use devfs
22:18.30valdynSteveJones2: but it supported devfs iirc
22:18.36SteveJones2ok
22:18.47valdynSteveJones2: now devfs is not supported at all
22:19.14baboon1SO: anybody know where to change the commandline params that dhclient3 uses when started from ifup ? PLZ...
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22:19.31valdynbaboon1: why cant you use /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ?
22:19.48baboon1you see a metric conf-opt there?
22:20.05valdynbaboon1: im not looking
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22:21.32baboon1valdyn: I dont find any in the man page...
22:21.46SteveJones2hrmm
22:21.57SteveJones2there is no devfs in /etc/fstab
22:22.12SteveJones2proc, ext3, swap, iso9660, auto, and etx3
22:22.18baboon1valdyn: also not in  dhcp-options
22:22.30valdynSteveJones2: maybe its a package setting this up, not fstab
22:22.37valdynSteveJones2: have a look at /etc/init.d/
22:23.05SteveJones2valdyn: what am i looking for?
22:23.11valdynSteveJones2: devfs
22:23.17valdynSteveJones2: sorry, i dont remember sarge
22:23.22quentusrexany know how to get the debian/changelog version from a package so that it can be used in a script?
22:23.25SteveJones2valdyn: not there, its not in dpkg -l either
22:23.36smokesI've got a new cp I'd like to install Debian on, but my i386 disk won't install it properly. Anyone know how I can find out what architecture my cp is, *sighs* from within windows
22:23.43valdynSteveJones2: grep -R devfs /etc/init.d/
22:24.17valdynsmokes: what is a cp?
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22:24.25Pryonquentusrex: apt-cache show
22:24.31valdynsmokes: if windows runs on it then debian i386 runs on it
22:24.43llutz_baboon1: isn't IF_METRIC being set and used by dhclient3 with package "ifmetric" when specified in interfaces?
22:24.57valdynsmokes: windows does not support any arch that does not run i386
22:25.33baboon1llutz_: good question - checking... thx.
22:25.48smokesdamn
22:25.52quentusrexPryon: I'm trying to get it from a package I'm trying to build...
22:25.57Pryonah
22:26.03binraptI have the following problem, my Debian gigabit router doesn't have a DNS server right now - I simply want it to receive queries from the local network to redirect them to the DNS servers it retrieved from the ISP (via DHCP?)
22:26.08binraptWhat software should I use?
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22:26.44SteveJones2i do see devfs in dmesg
22:26.48SteveJones2and dont see it on my test box
22:27.36smokesI tried the disk on another cpu and it worked, but the ram on that cpu wasn't enough to run well.
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22:28.21valdynbinrapt: dnsmasq
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22:28.45SteveJones2valdyn: if i tried using lennys kernel, would i just set it so i can grab the pkg via apt-get and then install it from apt-get ?
22:28.58valdynSteveJones2: i dont know
22:29.17smokesAny information I could give that would be helpful in getting debian to run for me?
22:29.19valdynSteveJones2: try and see, this is unsupported territory
22:29.24SteveJones2k
22:29.32valdynsmokes: how much ram on that "cp" ?
22:29.50smokessorry cpu, 256 i think
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22:29.58valdynsmokes: that is plenty for debian
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22:30.26valdynsmokes: which installer did you use?
22:31.02smokesI installed from a disk, i386 vlinuz etc
22:31.14valdynsmokes: sure, which disk?
22:31.18valdynsmokes: lenny? squeeze?
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22:31.42smokescrap, dunno, probably lenny
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22:32.04baboon1llutz_: no, IF_METRIC is checked for in /sbin/dhclient-script, and the translated into a stanza that goes into the generated /etc/network/interfaces file
22:32.20smokesjust a second..
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22:32.59baboon1WHERE to set the commandline args for the ifup triggered dhclinet3 start - a mystery to me ...
22:33.08valdynbaboon1: man interfaces
22:33.36baboon1valdyn: know that (almost by heart :) )
22:35.23smokesit's lenny
22:35.32adbbaboon1, is'nt it autonegotiate  by the hardware  ?
22:35.41roeanyone know what iU means as dpkg output on a file?
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22:36.30valdynbaboon1: i dont even see dhclient support metric anywhere, not on the comand line either, what are you trying to achieve that the ifmetric package does not do?
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22:37.03markrianI'm experiencing bug 348905, and want to provide more information by way described here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348905#93 , but I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with ifdefs. I've got the source in front of me, but now not sure what to do. Any help?
22:37.03llimehtroe: i == installed. U == Unpacked (see the first three lines of the output)
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22:37.11baboon1adb: I don't know, I just wanted to make the debian machine behave exactly like the ubuntu machine, where there is no prob to get a DHCP IP on boot/ifup
22:37.14llutz_baboon1: does this help? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300987#22
22:37.15valdynwamty_: not at all?
22:37.34llimehtroe: man dpkg has a PACKAGE STATES section that provides more details
22:37.36wamty_valdyn ?
22:37.39wamty_what do you mean?
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22:37.45smokesthe installation goes fine, but when i switch the boot option from cd-rom to hdd the cpu won't start debian
22:38.11valdynwamty_: i mean that you cannot just make a detached daemon output anything to a terminal
22:38.12roeI see it now, I was piping to grep so the heading was getting omitted
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22:39.01pickcoderbaboon1: I have no problem with DHCP by just specifying dhcp instead of static in the interfaces file
22:39.09linuxermy grub bootloader is broken. i tried to restore it with chroot but now my menu.lst is broken. could someone help me plz
22:39.13baboon1valdyn: you can set env vars for dhclient with arg -e VAR=var, IF_METRIC is one of those vars, supported by /sbin/dhclient-script
22:39.39roehttp://www.pastebin.ca/1577167  I seem to have flash installed but iceweasel doesn't see it
22:39.53baboon1pickcoder: jeah... it's just the provider here, that has a crappy DNS server setup UPC vienna :(
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22:40.11CaDaVeRiAhi, someone here use aide?
22:40.35smokesshow it on a pastebin, linuxer, then someone'll probably be able to help
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22:40.54llimehtroe: "Unpacked" is not the state you want though, you want it to be Installed. "aptitude -f install" would hopefully sort that out.
22:41.31roethat wants to remove 153 packages
22:41.38roewhich I am pretty sure I don't want to do
22:41.50llimehtroe: "autoremove" or "remove"?
22:41.54syslq78Anyone using emelfm2?
22:42.00xeon-enouflinuxer: try /msg dpkg rescue mode
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22:42.19roe0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 153 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
22:42.31llimehtroe: please pastebin the entire output
22:42.36roeok
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22:43.29roehttp://pastebin.ca/1577171
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22:44.01llimehtroe: are you running lenny? squeeze? recently upgraded to squeeze?
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22:44.24roesqeeze, hadn't upgraded in a while, until monday
22:45.02xeon-enoufsmokes: where are seeing this boot options?
22:45.24valdynbaboon1: ok, you can set those variables in a custom file in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/
22:45.26xeon-enoufsmokes: oh, then you have no menu.lst appear?
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22:45.37xeon-enoufsmokes: did you install a bootloader?
22:45.39smokesi switched the boot option from the bios screen
22:45.42valdynbaboon1: ok fuck, no you cant,
22:46.05valdynbaboon1: the metric option in interfaces sets $IF_METRIC
22:46.18llimehtroe: you have a very large number of packages listed as being unconfigured there. This can't be a good thing. The packages it wants to remove are being removed as aptitude thinks you don't need them any more. You need to "aptitude unmarkauto" on a couple of the big packages (like gnome or gnome-core) and that will catch most of them. /msg dpkg unmarkauto
22:46.30xeon-enoufmaybe something in /etc/default/ valdyn baboon1 ?
22:46.35valdynbaboon1: look at the 107th line of /sbin/dhclient-script
22:46.42smokescd-rom to hdd
22:46.44valdynxeon-enouf: nah, its documented
22:46.59xeon-enoufok - really wasn't following closely
22:47.04valdynquote:  metric_arg="metric $IF_METRIC"  # interfaces(5), "metric" option
22:47.07baboon1valdyn: as I read the script it looked to me as if it were the other way round: the IF_METRIC env var sets the metric stanza in interfaces...
22:47.26han_hi
22:47.39smokesand then debian which was supposedly installed wouldn't start
22:48.13xeon-enoufsmokes: what happens exactly? and answer my bootloader question please
22:48.28valdynbaboon1: nah, metric is defenitely used to set the metric from interfaces
22:49.16baboon1yes, but the IF_METRIC var determines, what is written to interfaces
22:49.35llimehtroe: the first priority should be sorting out your unconfigured packages though. I think "aptitude -f install ~g:" should do it (note the comma) without aptitude trying to uninstall things on you too
22:49.46llimehtroe: s/comma/colon/
22:49.48llutz_baboon1: dhclient does not write to interfaces
22:49.54valdynbaboon1: if im right, then ifup would set $IF_METRIC or somesuch
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22:50.41roewhat is the ~g:?
22:50.56smokesa message like 'error occured detecting operating system', as for the boot loader, I honestly can't tell you. I think I saw "grub" flash by when it was installing
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22:51.10markrianIf you're rebuilding a debian package, but want to change the CFLAGS variable for the build, how do you do thaT?
22:51.32dondelelcaromarkrian: change it in debian/rules or similar. Normally you shouldn't, though.
22:51.33llimehtroe: ~g is a search term for packages that are "garbage" (not required any more and should be uninstalled). : means put a temporary hold on them and don't do anything to them in this aptitude session.
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22:51.55xeon-enoufsmokes: is any other OS installed on any HDD? did you install to internal HDD?
22:52.01roeinteresting
22:52.20llimehtroe: if there are packages that are in both the autoremove and unconfigured states, then I'm not sure what aptitude will do with them... hopefully the right thing (TM).
22:52.41markriandondelelcaro: Can you be more specific? Really, what I'm trying to do is follow the instructions given here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348905#93 , since I'm suffering from that bug
22:52.57han_i have a opensuse 11.1 running and installed lenny in a chroot. now i want to remove the change root. i tried to umount the mounted proc but without success so i deleted the chroot dir after i've read i can do this if there are no binds and no entries in the fstab. but removing the proc dir from chroot dir failed
22:53.18smokeswindows xp was installed, and I tried to install debian over it, i installed to an internal hdd
22:53.44valdynbaboon1: but if i am wrong then you can set the variable still in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/
22:53.56xeon-enoufsmokes: ok, which installer did you use exactly? and when did you d/l and burn it?
22:54.20han_how can i remove the mounted proc from the chroot dir and delete it?
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22:54.58xeon-enoufsmokes: i'm trying to ascertain if you installed grub1 or grub2 do; /msg dpkg grub squeeze and /msg dpkg rescue mode (one at a time in your irc client)
22:55.05dondelelcaromarkrian: I'm not sure what defines they're on about, but you can pretty easily set CFLAGS=-Dfoo; or whatever is appropriate
22:55.09baboon1llutz_ & valdyn: you're right, these stanzas are just used for the route add commands later in dhclient-script to set the metric for the default route, BUT this means, that the IF_METRIC variable on the cmd-line of dhclient has nothing to do with the interfaces metric setting... which brings me to the question: WHERE the HECK do I set the commandline options for the ifup triggered dhclient3 startup ???
22:55.18xeon-enoufer sorry - that's /msg dpkg grub2 squeeze smokes
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22:55.21dondelelcaromarkrian: unfortunatly, I can't look up what they are for gnome-screensaver right this second
22:55.46baboon1valdyn: but I'll check the enter-hooks
22:55.56markriandondelelcaro: http://debian.pastebin.com/m40c40b41 that's the ifdefs I think he's talking about. Helpful?
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22:56.19han_anybody? please
22:56.20linuxerhow can i find out my menu.lst entries when they are deleted. thx for help
22:56.40valdynbaboon1: i think you dont need to set command line options
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22:57.31xeon-enouflinuxer: running update-grub should repopulate it if grub-legacy (grub1)
22:57.50dondelelcaromarkrian: so then adding a CFLAGS="-DENABLE_PROFILING $CFLAGS" or similar to debian/rules should do it
22:57.50TrueDDGood night all
22:58.10xeon-enouflinuxer: you can look in /boot/ for vmlinuz and initrd lines
22:58.15valdynbaboon1: the IF_METRIC being on command line is just *one* way to get this passed to ifconfig, /etc/network/interfaces is another
22:58.16markriandondelelcaro: can that be added anywhere in debian/rules?
22:58.27roellimeht, thanks for the help
22:58.50llimehtroe: no worries... (I take it that it worked?!)
22:59.00roeseems have to
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22:59.30smokesI can't tell you which on i installed, i'm running xp on the cpu that gave me the problems with the install
22:59.39Openmplayer and movie player can't seem to be able to play a dvd.. can anyone suggest some other player?
22:59.50valdynOpen: region coded dvd?
23:00.00SteveJones2any thoughts? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9sz2w3&s=4
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23:00.13dondelelcaromarkrian: it's a makefile, so no, but so long as it ends up being in place when build is run, it's fine
23:00.13han_help please
23:00.15llimehtroe: excellent.
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23:01.02Openvaldyn, sorry, what does that mean? this is the dvd I'm watching: http://www.amazon.com/Ascent-Money-Financial-History-World/dp/B002DKGWXO
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23:01.22SteveJones2btw on that system  i followed this, and installed udev , http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udevinstall.htm
23:01.27markrianThanks dondelelcaro
23:01.29xeon-enoufsmokes: please prefix with my nickname when addressing specifically me, it helps, to follow along, in a busy channel - but just /msg dpkg rescue mode and try reinstalling grub from the info dpkgbot tells you
23:01.52valdynOpen: that does not help me
23:01.54pickcoderugh... how long should it normally take for dd to zero out an 80GB USB drive?
23:01.59valdynOpen: make sure libdvdcss2 is installed
23:02.04valdyn!lidvdcss
23:02.08valdyn!libdvdcss
23:02.08dpkgit has been said that libdvdcss2 is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns.  To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <debian-multimedia.org>.
23:02.14xeon-enoufpickcoder: man dd - see -USR1 part ;-)
23:02.15smokesxeon-enouf: sorry bout that, okay
23:02.19pickcodermeh
23:02.32valdyn!dmm
23:02.32dpkgi guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
23:02.38valdynOpen: get it there ^^
23:02.42Openvaldyn, this is the message Totem Movie Player gives me: An error occurred. Could not read from resource.
23:02.51Openoookay
23:02.58valdynOpen: i dont want totem errors, only mplayer errors
23:03.17llimehtOpen: also, /msg dpkg dvd playback
23:03.54valdynOpen: if you bought that dvd its probably region coded anyway, therefore, never buy dvds, pirated ones are better ;)
23:04.07pickcoderxeon-enouf: need a mug boss?  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330362509405
23:04.08baboon1valdyn: yes, right. as it seems, the ubuntu version of the dhclient3 binary is just different... and I just go with the interfaces solution, being the most elegant that can be used... thanks for the help!
23:04.11Openvaldyn, I tried playing it with mplayer - it played 2 seconds worth of logo material and stuff, then just exitted. both totem and mplayer were very slow.. had to wait 30 seconds for them to respond. and this computer is completely new (as in, high specs)
23:04.39Openvaldyn, yes, I did buy it.
23:04.50pickcoderbreaks outta the dd
23:04.53valdynOpen: mplayer will not play menus
23:05.04xeon-enoufpickcoder: heh, yeah - it'd fit right in with my toolkit ;-)
23:05.10valdynOpen: hence you will probably get the first track only, which is often short
23:05.30pickcoderxeon-enouf: we're going to do the toolmug specials again this year for x-mas
23:05.37valdynOpen: pick different tracks like mplayer dvd://1
23:05.39valdynOpen: pick different tracks like mplayer dvd://2
23:05.40valdynetc
23:05.42Openvaldyn, so I should try another player, or get the codecs you mention? I'd have hoped that something like pbs would put drm crap on it
23:05.50Openwouldn't*
23:05.57pickcoder28GB copied 6.9MB/s
23:06.07valdynOpen: dvds are region coded, thats not an option i think
23:06.09pickcoderI'll restart it tomorrow morn
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23:06.13xeon-enoufheh
23:06.21han_may a reboot helps? is there any way to become assured?
23:06.32xeon-enoufpickcoder: might want to try a larget bs= like bs=4k
23:06.32valdynOpen: !dvd jon
23:06.39valdyn!dvd jon
23:06.39xeon-enoufpickcoder: for speed
23:06.42valdynoo
23:06.48valdynOpen: ignore last one
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23:06.53pickcoderyeah
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23:07.03pickcoderor 32k
23:07.11little_owlHello, I encrypted my home partition (cryptsetup, device mapper), everthing works fine. The only problems is that on the desktop is  placed an icon "home" automatically - it looks like manually mounted drive. Any hint what could the reason be?
23:07.17tiseptiwhen generating a .deb package how do i set the epoch?
23:07.24pickcoderhell make it 128k for giggles
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23:08.01valdynor 1G
23:08.02xeon-enoufpickcoder: the only thing is you might miss some of those last 512 blocks
23:08.03valdynheh
23:08.16valdyndoesnt make a difference as long as ram is sufficient
23:08.22pickcodercrap.. my "discontinued" brand new AthenaPower redundant powre module is alarming for the 20th time
23:08.25pickcoderbrb
23:08.34xeon-enoufor does conv=noerror,sync or something take care of that? i forget offhand
23:09.41xeon-enoufvaldyn: suppose one was trying to generate an image of an installation rather than using /dev/zero, still not an issue using bs=<anything larger than 512>  ?
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23:10.17valdynxeon-enouf: i never thought of that
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23:11.18valdynxeon-enouf: i dont think it causes issues, but tbh i dont remember if i ever did something serious using the bs= argument
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23:11.33xeon-enoufvaldyn: and some installations of <whichever OS + FSType etc> write/store metadata specifically at end of disk - i think FAT32 keeps it's backup table there, IIRC
23:11.35valdynxeon-enouf: easy to test, lets see
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23:12.13xeon-enoufi think mdadm stores it's metadata at the last 1M or so of each partition?
23:12.16SteveJones2any ideas about that panic?
23:12.44valdynxeon-enouf:  dd if=zaehler.xls of=copy bs=1000000000 worked perfectly
23:12.46xeon-enoufSteveJones2: i missed your post
23:12.50SteveJones2any thoughts? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9sz2w3&s=4
23:13.20xeon-enoufvaldyn: hrm, well that's just a file, but ok (i'm thinking of perhaps missing some needed metadata)
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23:13.42valdynxeon-enouf: a file is a file is a file
23:13.46valdynoo
23:14.05xeon-enoufllimeht: i don';t understand
23:14.15xeon-enouferm Littleowl i meant, not llimeht
23:14.20xeon-enoufhe left
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23:15.02valdynfor giggles im going to try it with an logical volume anyway
23:15.14xeon-enoufSteveJones2: dude, that's 2.4 era kernel stuffs
23:15.24xeon-enoufSteveJones2: devfs + pivot_root?
23:15.33SteveJones2xeon: trying to load a 2.6.31 kernel on a sarge box
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23:15.40xeon-enoufhaha
23:15.51SteveJones2i dont see anywher ein /etc/init.d ,, /etc/fstab, /etc/mtab , that devfs is mentioned
23:15.52xeon-enoufSarge used a 2.4.27 or a 2.6.8
23:15.54valdyni think devfs was already deprecated on sarge
23:15.56SteveJones2devfsd isnt even installed
23:16.07SteveJones2i realize that, it has a 2.6.8 currently
23:16.13SteveJones2which is rootable
23:16.14xeon-enoufvaldyn: only really for 2.6 IIRC
23:16.21valdynI see
23:16.36xeon-enoufhrm , and even then, it really never  matured until ~.12 or .16
23:16.43pickcoderheh 1gb seems to be choking dd
23:16.52xeon-enoufvaldyn: i know udev did have an installable pkg for sarge
23:16.55SteveJones2i created a crappy p3 test sarge box, and got a 2.6.31 working just fine, but sadly the prod boxes arent doing it
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23:17.02xeon-enoufpickcoder: heh
23:17.04SteveJones2i install udev on one of these boxes
23:17.09SteveJones2to make sure devpts wasnt being used
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23:17.31xeon-enoufSteveJones2: and use initramfs-tools not mkinitrd so pivot_root isn't used
23:17.35valdynSteveJones2: thats stupid
23:17.42valdynSteveJones2: you cannot use that udev with 2.6.31
23:17.54valdynSteveJones2: you need to set up a static /dev
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23:18.50valdyn-rw-r--r-- 1 valdyn valdyn 7000000000 24. Sep 01:18 copy
23:18.59valdynoh the beauty of zeroes
23:19.02xeon-enoufbut udev slowly worked it's way in IIRC, with the revisions of Sarge as time went on .. 3.1rX <-where X is some number
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23:19.33valdyna very different udev yes
23:19.39valdynone that needed a hotplug package
23:19.56pickcoderbuffering seems to be causing speed issues regardless of the block size
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23:20.44valdyn<PROTECTED>
23:20.48valdynlittle slow
23:20.55valdynbut not really bad
23:21.03pickcoderI'm getting 10MB
23:21.07Brunehello, i have a 700 mhz computer with 256 ram, is this enough to run movies and videos off of for like a general media center?
23:21.24pickcoderover usb2.0
23:21.25valdynok weird
23:21.29valdynthat was same disk to same raid1
23:21.48valdynBrune: no way
23:22.01Brunevaldyn: what would you suggest as a minium?
23:22.29pickcodervaldyn: why not if the video card has dedicated memory?
23:22.42valdynBrune: *if* you want to use linux for this and a real computer, then one that contains an nvidia card >= 9xxx series
23:23.08valdynBrune: otherwise you could just buy a linux-based media playback box for 99$
23:23.19Brunevaldyn: your being very shadded in your opinion, whats a real computer?
23:23.30avuvaldyn, huh? mplayer plays xvid in DVD resolution on my old 350MHz K2
23:23.42valdynavu: who the hell wants dvd resolution?
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23:23.58NoCodeIs there a GUI package to install deb packages that have been downloaded in the Lenny repos?
23:24.08Brunevaldyn: i have a web server in which does sftp, ssh, irc, sendmail and httpd and has a 233 mhz procs
23:24.10valdynBrune: maybe im a little ambitious, i wouldnt watch dvds really, if you are happy with dvd quality and worse, then that box is ok
23:24.12Brunevaldyn: i wouldn't mind it
23:24.13avuvaldyn, everyone does. all that HD crap is highly overrated IMO.
23:24.27Bruneavu: i second that.
23:24.47Brunei dont even have cable, i am just trying to set a screen next to my tv that allows me to watch w/e i want.
23:24.52valdynavu: well, io cant really watch dvds anymore
23:25.05Brunevaldyn: how old are?
23:25.17valdynBrune: what does that have to do with my age?
23:25.26valdynBrune: im just used to 720p and higher
23:25.31Brunevaldyn: because you sound really spoiled.
23:25.43xeon-enoufSteveJones2: also, mkinitrd want a /linuxrc, but initramfs wants /init - and uses switch_root, not pivot_root
23:25.47Brunevaldyn: you have to have 720p or higher?
23:25.51valdynBrune: haha, you have no idea
23:25.58avuI got some 1080{p,i} stuff once it became feasable to play it on my current machine and and I really don't get what the fuzz is about
23:26.02valdynBrune: i only obtain 720p and higher
23:26.03Brunevaldyn: yeah obviously you are spoiled.
23:26.25valdynavu: depends on your display naturally
23:26.39pickcoderI use chalk and rocks
23:26.45avuvaldyn, 24" with the exact 1080p resultion
23:26.55pickcoderthat's 3D buddy
23:26.58Brunewell the monitor i am using is 17 inchs.
23:26.58xeon-enoufBrune: i've used a pII 350MHz w/320 RAM to watch DVDs, but works better in win98 than linux :-p
23:27.01CutMeOwnThroatof course he left
23:27.03valdynavu: dvd looks blocky on that
23:27.14Brunexeon-enouf: thats probably what i was going to do instead of linux
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23:27.20CutMeOwnThroatI hate it when they get to have the last word that way!
23:27.28valdynBrune: at 17" dvd is probably ok, and dvd is even more ok if its not an lcd
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23:27.39Brunevaldyn: its an LCD.
23:28.02xeon-enoufi use LCDs since awhile not
23:28.05xeon-enoufnow*
23:28.14Brunevaldyn: but note that 10 year old computers are still VERY usefull in todays world
23:28.22xeon-enoufBrune: he knows
23:28.25valdynBrune: i use 10 year old computers
23:28.30Brunexeon-enouf: i still use a 20 inch crt
23:28.39xeon-enoufi used to use CRTs
23:28.41avuvaldyn, if you sit 20cm away from it, maybe. but in a normal tv-like setup where the display is a few metres away, it's just fine. but well, to each his own, no real use arguing I guess, sorry :)
23:28.46xeon-enoufand still have some
23:28.59liabledude, you are talking to a channel full of people that get computers out of dumpsters!
23:29.00valdynavu: sure, no worries
23:29.09xeon-enoufliable: haha
23:29.18pickcoderliable: so.. it was _you_
23:29.19Bruneliable: i thought i was the only one. besides that and freebsd users.
23:29.32xeon-enoufliable: btw, the white pizza i bought with that other doughey crap was much much better :-)
23:29.41Brunei actually litterly get free computers out of my work because they are going to throw them away.
23:29.58liablexeon-enouf: stop fucking talking about pizza! i just woke up, and i'm hungry!
23:29.58pickcoderBrune: there's a pile of Dells here.. and 17" CRTs
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23:30.06xeon-enoufheh
23:30.13Brunepickcoder: speed?
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23:30.19pickcodersend me a check for LTL shipping and I'll pallet them up
23:30.20pickcoder:)
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23:30.26Brunepickcoder: lol
23:30.46pickcoder600-1Ghz or thereabouts
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23:31.06pickcodersome of them have been parted out partially
23:31.13Brunei am actually wondering because i do have a 1.0 ghz computer... for a 17 inch tv type thing...
23:31.29valdynBrune: your 20" crt should be better for movies
23:31.34Brunedoes 700 mhz a lot different then 1.0 ghz in that matter?
23:31.43Brunevaldyn: how come?
23:31.46pickcoderhmm.. pizza..
23:31.55pickcoderreminds me that I need to go home and cook something
23:32.03valdynBrune: crt have far superior color to non-highend lcd
23:32.15xeon-enoufBrune: mostly depends if Celery vs Pentium :-p
23:32.25valdynBrune: and ( subjectively ) color is vastly more important than resolution anyway
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23:32.49pickcodervaldyn: the LCDs are not that bad, but you just can't get as true color as from a cheap CRT
23:32.50Brunevaldyn: well note ill be sitting like 10 feet away
23:32.56Brunewell 5-10 ft
23:32.58xeon-enouf5:4 ratio LCDs are a PITA too
23:33.05valdynBrune: im talking about color, not resolution
23:33.14pickcoderDLP projector!
23:33.15Bruneyeah i know
23:33.19pickcoderforget monitors
23:33.20Brunepickcoder: i have one actually
23:33.28Brunepickcoder: it just doesn't work
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23:33.30pickcoderwe have one here @office and it rocks
23:33.32hcookhowdy
23:33.41Bruneand this is a bed tv thing
23:33.42pickcoderextremely bright and clear
23:33.57Bruneso i'd be afraid it would fall on me
23:34.44pickcoderbbl
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23:37.37phluxnice..my linux distro is now 100% X free :)
23:38.11phluxUsing links2 for a graphical browser (svgalib), irssi for IRC, bitlbee+irssi for IM, and mutt + fetchmail + msmtp for e-mail accounts
23:38.51phluxand with Debian, I actually got links2 to use 1024x768 with 16M32 colors
23:38.52valdynphlux: cant live without xsoldier
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23:39.40phluxFreeBSD would only do 800x600 (huge on my laptop) with 256 colors :(
23:39.42xeon-enoufphlux: \o/
23:39.58phluxalthough, I do have to startx to get my wireless working :(
23:40.07xeon-enoufum
23:40.09phluxto get my verizon card working I don't, but to connect to my wireless router, I do
23:40.17xeon-enoufwhy?
23:40.21phluxI can not figure out what nm-applet is doing to get the connection running.
23:40.35xeon-enoufnetworking should be up before any GUI
23:40.36liableread the wpasupplicant docs
23:40.56phluxxeon-enouf: it tries, but it won't bring up my wireless interface
23:41.12xeon-enoufdo /msg dpkg {wifi howto ; interfaces ; wpasupplicant}
23:41.24phluxliable: I tried running "wpa_supplicant -i/dev/wlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant" but it just hung there.
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23:41.42NoCodeSince I'm going to be upgrading from lenny to squeeze, should I be switching, "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to "squeeze-backports" or should I delete the entry?
23:42.04liablephlux: run it with -ddd and see what it says
23:42.09phluxI'll read into that, thanks
23:42.16phluxalso, I'm having some weird issues with copy/paste
23:42.28xeon-enoufNoCode: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
23:42.35NoCodeI have.
23:42.46phluxif I copy something on virtual shell 1, and try to paste it on virtual shell #7 (my web browser) it won't work
23:42.47xeon-enoufit'll tell you to remove the -backports
23:43.28phluxliable: -ddd just gives me the wpa_supplicant help screen
23:43.38xeon-enoufphlux: yeah, switching TTYs while links2 is running on one console was an issue i never resolved
23:43.42liablephlux: with the rest of the arguments..
23:43.53phluxd'oh.. it doesn't run in the background by default.
23:43.57xeon-enoufphlux: i used svgalib+directx IIRC
23:44.05liablephlux: also, -i wlan0 (not /dev/wlan0)
23:44.06phluxI can switch ttys
23:44.11phluxI just can't copy/paste
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23:44.26phluxliable: I think I needed -B
23:44.28phluxto run it in the background
23:44.31xeon-enoufcoming back to links2's console in GUI mode, would make it stop working then
23:44.42liablewell, you wont see output if you background it..
23:44.47phluxafter wpa_supplicant is started, do I need to do 'dhclient wlan0'?
23:44.48xeon-enoufindeed
23:44.53liableyes
23:44.56phluxnice
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23:45.00phluxI bet that's my problem there
23:45.08phluxxeon-enouf: You needed to edit svgalib.conf!
23:45.18xeon-enoufithink i did, yes
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23:45.37phluxI had that issue last night.. thanks to the guys in ##Linux, I got it resolved by adding two options that are already in the config file, just commented out.
23:45.42NoCodeI fail to see where it says that, but anyway -- I removed it. Should I remove, "deb-src http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/ lenny-proposed-updates contrib non-free main" too?
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23:46.01xeon-enoufphlux: yeah, one was mouse something, right?
23:46.21NoCodeand non-source repo.
23:46.24xeon-enoufNoCode: where did that come from?
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23:47.37NoCodeThe repo? I have no clue, it was either there, or I put it in there when I adding/ removing repositories
23:47.55azeemthen remove it
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23:49.12njaardI am seeing dmix being broken in testing right now
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23:49.21njaardanyone seeing this as well?
23:49.21xeon-enoufNoCode: hrm, i can't find that tidbit of info now either - but it's somewhere - check the release notes
23:49.28njaardand shouldn't I have a /etc/asound.conf ?
23:49.49xeon-enoufNoCode: yeah, comment out any non squeeze/testing lines for now
23:49.55njaardoh I never get useful information out of this channel
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23:50.28xeon-enoufnjaard: what? /etc/asound.conf is for system-wide multiple sound card setups
23:51.14xeon-enoufnjaard: your ~/.asoundconf.conf (?) is for user settings
23:51.14njaardok
23:51.27njaardso why does dmix not work by default anymore?
23:51.33xeon-enoufor atleast that's the way it *was* :-p
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23:51.49xeon-enoufno idea - i gave up on audio lately ;-)
23:51.51NoCodehttp://pastebin.ca/1577231 Does that looks alright?
23:52.05xeon-enoufsince people broke/removed alsaconf
23:52.38njaardwere they planning on fixing it?
23:53.29xeon-enoufNoCode: looks ok to me - but /msg dpkg testing security
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23:53.42xeon-enoufno idea njaard
23:53.44adbnjaard, which release and kernel use ?
23:53.56njaardtesting as of right now, 2.6.30
23:54.09NoCodeThanks. I'll take a look
23:54.09xeon-enoufi would think so - it;s all HAL and such related now, i guess
23:54.42njaardI can't find anythong in bugs.d.o but I have a hard time believing nobody has reported this bug
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23:55.22xeon-enoufnjaard: can you give us a scenario that explains how it's broken and what happens? which apps?
23:55.45xeon-enoufnjaard: does cat /proc/asound/cards show your card(s) ?
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23:56.25xeon-enoufoh well - no man page for any asound* here anymore :-P
23:56.31njaardxeon-enouf: yes
23:56.46xeon-enoufnjaard: multiple cards?
23:56.49njaardxeon-enouf: yes, try to play things at the same time with any alsa supporting application
23:56.52njaardxeon-enouf: no
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23:57.16njaardI can play music, but I cannot open two applications that do at once
23:57.27xeon-enoufnjaard: ok - is alsa-oss installed? i don't know what's wrong though - and does 'pgrep udevd' return a number?
23:58.18xeon-enoufnjaard: lsmod | grep snd shows snd_mixer_oss ?
23:58.29njaardyes and yes
23:58.34njaardagain, I can actually play music with alsa
23:58.38xeon-enoufhrm .. ok
23:58.39njaardit's dmix that fails
23:59.00njaardthese alsa people have managed to create the most over engineered solution ever
23:59.03xeon-enoufwell, dmix/dsnoop were really never anything that needed config'ing here
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23:59.17njaardit's like the yast of audio, which is no suprise as alsa was a suse project for so long
23:59.20xeon-enoufnjaard: which DE? if any
23:59.24njaardkde
23:59.32njaardalthough that really shouldn't matter
23:59.38xeon-enoufnjaard: make sure the card is in Full Duplex mode in kcontrol/systemsettings
23:59.46njaardkde4, xeon
23:59.52njaardthat option is not available
23:59.54xeon-enoufit can if using it's SoundServer ,,,

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