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| 00:00.11 | xeon-enouf | ouch |
| 00:00.15 | xeon-enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ? select ALSA? |
| 00:00.26 | njaard | ok... |
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| 00:01.02 | njaard | maybew it's because my card has a digital and an analog subdevice |
| 00:01.26 | xeon-enouf | njaard: oh which module? cat /proc/asound/modukes |
| 00:01.31 | xeon-enouf | modules* |
| 00:01.37 | njaard | snd_hda_intel |
| 00:02.02 | phlux | Anyone know how to see a user's real screen name once they've been aliased with bitlbee? |
| 00:02.24 | xeon-enouf | njaard: google for some possible fixes via "modinfo snd_hda_intel | grep ^parm" |
| 00:02.36 | njaard | this has nothing to do with snd_hda_intel |
| 00:02.41 | njaard | this is dmix to blame |
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| 00:03.39 | xeon-enouf | njaard: either enable or disable parameters, or give values, i _think_ i recall someone with an issue where they needed to disable msi= (there were two options) |
| 00:04.05 | xeon-enouf | so file a bug if you're so sure |
| 00:04.17 | adb | njaard, ok , blame it , that helped |
| 00:04.20 | adb | ? |
| 00:04.31 | njaard | I'm pointing my finger |
| 00:04.31 | xeon-enouf | !blame dmix |
| 00:04.31 | dpkg | blames necro and dmix for the end of life as we know it |
| 00:04.33 | njaard | look. pointing |
| 00:04.40 | njaard | points |
| 00:04.50 | njaard | hm interesting |
| 00:05.42 | njaard | looks like it's actually kde to blame |
| 00:05.49 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, ok thanks for your helps earlier I now have the nvidia card working, flash is to..........best res i can get is a 1280x768 frm the nvidia settings but is there a way to force resolutions using modelines in the xorg.conf? |
| 00:05.58 | njaard | I will blame that instead |
| 00:06.07 | adb | !dmix |
| 00:06.07 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 00:07.15 | njaard | actually it might be xine through kde |
| 00:07.20 | njaard | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194902 |
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| 00:07.48 | njaard | ah |
| 00:07.57 | njaard | and the .asoundrc solution there solves the problem nicely |
| 00:08.13 | njaard | well, uh, thanks guys ;) |
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| 00:09.44 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: cvt shoudl generate modelines you can use |
| 00:10.01 | xeon-enouf | njaard: nice |
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| 00:10.57 | Noob | Hey |
| 00:11.02 | adb | customer! |
| 00:11.43 | njaard | huh |
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| 00:11.47 | ksnp | anyone know how to negate a condition in exim router ? |
| 00:12.13 | Noob | im new in debian and i downloaded firefox tar.bz2.. how can i install it using console ? |
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| 00:12.58 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, how do i do that? |
| 00:13.06 | adb | Noob, aptitude install iceweasel |
| 00:13.15 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: man cvt |
| 00:13.21 | Noob | i dont wanna iceweasel :) |
| 00:13.35 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file should have some modelines present |
| 00:13.36 | njaard | iceweasel has a cooler name |
| 00:13.41 | cretsiah | hello, I have been trying to ssh into my newly setup debian server from my windows computer but without any luck for 3 days. |
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| 00:13.51 | Noob | but i dont want :D |
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| 00:14.00 | njaard | cretsiah: have you installed ssh-server? :) |
| 00:14.11 | adb | Noob, ask #firefox |
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| 00:14.26 | cretsiah | ssh is installed not sure about the server part |
| 00:14.40 | njaard | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 00:15.38 | adb | ssh install both server/client |
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| 00:15.44 | cretsiah | k will do, and will let u know thanx. |
| 00:15.47 | Noob | adb: but this room debian.. and im a debian user. a noob user also |
| 00:16.26 | adb | Noob, firefox is not supported here |
| 00:17.06 | xeon-enouf | neonoe_: go to #specific-app-named channel or ##linux |
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| 00:17.31 | xeon-enouf | er Noob |
| 00:17.31 | babilen | Noob: We already helped you. "aptitude install iceweasel" |
| 00:17.31 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, thanks but theres not a lot of info for me to fully understand I am a little wary of the xorg.conf file in case i mess it up |
| 00:17.31 | xeon-enouf | sorry neonoe_ - bad tab |
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| 00:18.12 | xeon-enouf | linuxguy: try wiki.x.org ; man xorg.conf |
| 00:18.31 | linuxguy | xeon-enouf, thanks I will :) |
| 00:18.32 | Noob | adb: this room name is debian.. and im a debian user.. a noob user also |
| 00:18.46 | xeon-enouf | neonoe_: please stop repeating |
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| 00:18.56 | Noob | now somone tell me.. how to install firefox usin console ? |
| 00:18.57 | xeon-enouf | fuck - heh - neonoe_ sorry - i meant Noob again! |
| 00:19.00 | Noob | please. |
| 00:19.11 | xeon-enouf | apt-get install iceweasel |
| 00:19.16 | cretsiah | I installed debian via net-install and found the guide pretty good so far, I installed x-window and iceweasel and is great :) |
| 00:19.18 | babilen | Noob: Why don't you follow our advise and install it through aptitude? |
| 00:19.24 | Noob | i dont wanna icewease! |
| 00:19.36 | babilen | Noob: Why? |
| 00:19.36 | xeon-enouf | apt-get install firefox then |
| 00:19.36 | njaard | I wanna icewease |
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| 00:19.42 | babilen | xeon-enouf: good one ;-) |
| 00:19.45 | njaard | I don't know how to icewease, but damnit, I'll learn |
| 00:19.57 | Noob | I dont like its name and icon. Its my problem =) |
| 00:19.59 | Noob | :D |
| 00:20.00 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
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| 00:20.18 | cretsiah | Noob I dont want Firefox its slow, breaksdown all the time aarrgghhh |
| 00:20.19 | EugenMayer | hello, just installed bacula on my debian lenny server. the current version is 2.4.4 while the version on bacula.XX is 3.0.0 ... my question is, is there any GUI i can use for the director? |
| 00:20.25 | njaard | Noob: so... get used to it? |
| 00:20.30 | babilen | Noob: Complain to the firefox devs about their rebranding policy... |
| 00:20.34 | \amethyst | Noob: if you install firefox from the tarball, make sure it's installed under /usr/local or under your home directory |
| 00:20.49 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: is there a backported version perhaps ? |
| 00:20.57 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:21.04 | \amethyst | Noob: that way it and the packaging system don't interfere with each other |
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| 00:21.23 | Noob | ok ok forget it.. now pls tell me how to install a tar.bz2 file :D |
| 00:21.38 | \amethyst | Noob: which file did you get? |
| 00:21.42 | babilen | laughs |
| 00:21.47 | Noob | Firefox :D:D |
| 00:22.08 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: good guess, well there is a bacula-console-wx for etch |
| 00:22.13 | babilen | Noob: probably just, configure --prefix=/usr/local, make, make install |
| 00:22.17 | Noob | \amethyst: firefox-3.5.3.tar.bz2 |
| 00:22.25 | adb | Noob, what's Firefox ? |
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| 00:22.48 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: you want a lenny-backports version if any |
| 00:23.14 | \amethyst | Noob: tar xjf firefox-3.5.3.tar.bz2 under your home directory (or use file-roller or some other GUI archive management tool) |
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| 00:23.17 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: i know, there arent any. Actually my client is a ubuntu lenny anyway..so i cant use packages directly |
| 00:23.21 | \amethyst | Noob: it will create a directory called 'firefox' |
| 00:23.46 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: no such beast - thank goodness |
| 00:23.51 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: i still did not tried lenny on my desktop yet..never the less i have ~15 servers running debian for years |
| 00:23.54 | Noob | \amethyst: yep okay. and then ? |
| 00:24.26 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: iam not here to start religion wars :) I love debian, so no worries |
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| 00:25.09 | \amethyst | Noob: then look at the README.txt in that directory |
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| 00:26.13 | \amethyst | Noob: hm, that is a pretty small readme... anyway, there's a 'firefox' executable script in there too |
| 00:26.16 | \amethyst | Noob: so run it |
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| 00:26.52 | Noob | \amethyst: but i want to install (: |
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| 00:27.13 | fito | hola |
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| 00:27.39 | cretsiah | ok well at least i get a login prompt now but i get access denied so which files do i need to edit to fix |
| 00:27.43 | \amethyst | Noob: system-wide and not just in your home directory? |
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| 00:28.08 | Noob | \amethyst: thanks u |
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| 00:28.14 | \amethyst | Noob: copy that directory to /usr/local/firefox then run /usr/local/firefox/firefox |
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| 00:32.40 | phix | hey |
| 00:32.56 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: what are you referring to? |
| 00:33.05 | cretsiah | ssh |
| 00:33.23 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: setup your ~/.ssh/config |
| 00:33.37 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: have sshd running on the server |
| 00:33.38 | phix | I am having an issue with DDNS under Debian, since applying one of the latest updates it doesn't put my computers in the right domain, it uses computername.local instead of computername.mytld |
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| 00:33.48 | cretsiah | ok looking it up |
| 00:33.49 | phix | What has changed to cause this? was it something in bind9 or dhcp3? |
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| 00:33.57 | phix | r something else? |
| 00:34.04 | xeon-enouf | !hostname |
| 00:34.04 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 00:34.08 | ryan__ | should the kernel sources be kept in /usr/src? and should /lib/modules/2.6... be pointing to my build directory? |
| 00:34.48 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: are you ignoring me now, just because of this? |
| 00:35.04 | xeon-enouf | ryan__: yes to b) since /lib/modules/2.6.../build is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:35.19 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: probably :-P |
| 00:35.45 | xeon-enouf | ryan__: i keep my custom kernel source on another HDD, so i build there too... etc |
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| 00:36.11 | ryan__ | xeon-enouf: but it doesn't seem to install the headers files, do I have to add them myself for a custom kernel? |
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| 00:36.34 | xeon-enouf | ryan__: readlink -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build ; ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 00:36.42 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: well, i ask myself why people in here react that way ... i mean, debian on desktops is not "state of the art" and thats a fact...but anyway its one of the best linux-server distros out there. So i cant see why people should get ignored using ubuntu on clients at all... |
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| 00:37.18 | xeon-enouf | ryan__: no, a custom kernel generates it's own headers - depends what your compiling, and whether in or out of tree |
| 00:37.49 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: we just can't support other Distros in here - we'd break many systems trying |
| 00:37.57 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: its not that iam not aware of the conflict between ubuntu and debian.. |
| 00:37.58 | xeon-enouf | since they're not the same |
| 00:38.07 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: no you should not! iam not asking for ubunut help here. |
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| 00:38.49 | xeon-enouf | if you have a " Actually my client is a ubuntu lenny anyway.." beast -- you are :-P |
| 00:39.07 | EugenMayer | my question was debian lenny related :) |
| 00:39.21 | xeon-enouf | or , for something unknown to all of humanity :-P |
| 00:39.52 | xeon-enouf | !listvals frankenstein |
| 00:39.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'frankenstein' by value (1): frankenbuntu. |
| 00:39.58 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 00:40.08 | xeon-enouf | !frankenbuntu |
| 00:40.08 | dpkg | [frankenbuntu] a MONSTER that no-one in #debian will want to help you with. Mixing packages between different Debian releases is prone to disaster, mixing packages between different distros (such as Debian and Ubuntu) is worse. Don't do it. And if you do, make sure you tell people who are helping you resolve dependency issues in the future that you did this! Ask me about <bobbitt>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein |
| 00:40.24 | xeon-enouf | purrrrfect! |
| 00:40.55 | ryan__ | lol |
| 00:41.36 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: hehe, iam really not trying to piss you off :) |
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| 00:42.44 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: i'm not upset - i'm trying to help actually |
| 00:42.47 | xeon-enouf | so no worries |
| 00:42.58 | EugenMayer | iam thankful :) |
| 00:43.56 | Brune | ok so i just got an epison workforce 500 printer, what do i need to read so i can print stuff? |
| 00:44.00 | EugenMayer | i will try to stuff in the etch bacula package into ubuntu lenny anyway..if it breaks.. i have just another broken ubuntu package more..noting fancy for ubuntu packages. And maybe a new reason to install lenny :) |
| 00:44.38 | xeon-enouf | Brune: i installed CUPS and everything under the sun hp* related - and maybe foomatic |
| 00:44.51 | xeon-enouf | obviouslyyou want epson, not hp |
| 00:45.21 | Brune | xeon-enouf: i already installed cups with hp |
| 00:45.26 | Brune | i had an hp printer |
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| 00:46.04 | _Trinity_ | hey I just found a bug with kazehakase. Do I report it to the devloper or debian? The list of unattended/unassigned bug dating back years make me think he/they doesn't/don't pay attention |
| 00:46.19 | _Trinity_ | on the dev site |
| 00:46.21 | Brune | nm it was auto-detected i guess the drivers loaded themselves. |
| 00:46.37 | xeon-enouf | try openprinting.org too - is cupsd running now? what happens when you set it up in http://localhost:631/admin and try to print? |
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| 00:47.15 | xeon-enouf | _Trinity_: is it a debian pkg found at packages.debian.org? if not, file upstream |
| 00:47.45 | Brune | is making it a bigger deal then it is |
| 00:47.53 | Brune | doesn't even need drivers |
| 00:47.57 | dondelelcaro | _Trinity_: both is fine; bonus points if you go through the list of bug reports filed against kazehakase and connect them to upstream bug reports using forward |
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| 00:48.05 | _Trinity_ | yeah, it's inthe repositories |
| 00:48.34 | dondelelcaro | _Trinity_: for most things though, odds are the upstream developers are going to be the one's fixing the bugs (but it depends on the package and the maintainer) |
| 00:48.57 | Brune | wow this was the easiest thing EVER |
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| 00:50.41 | EugenMayer | i have a server inside a firewall ( router ). Now i want to connect to that router through that server ( X11 port forwarding ) and using Firefox to configure the router ( open a port ). any "easy" ways with ssh to do so? |
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| 00:50.50 | AruNatsu | hm... i installed the "vim" package (and all of its recommended packages) from lenny/stable repo, but somehow syntax highlighting (and some other functions) are not working in vim =( |
| 00:51.20 | AruNatsu | is the official vim pkg supposed to act like that? or am i using some weird .vimrc file that's not compatible with it? (the same config file works fine on other system) |
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| 00:53.22 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: 'set :hilight on' or somesuch? |
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| 00:54.00 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: maybe using vim-tiny accidentally? update-alternatives --config editot |
| 00:54.05 | xeon-enouf | editor* |
| 00:54.07 | Ullans | Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
| 00:54.11 | Ullans | NetBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 5.0.1 NetBSD 5.0.1 (PLANTAGENESTA) #4: Mon Sep 21 13:46:36 EST 2009 kfb@blackhole.earthlink.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/PLANTAGENESTA i386 |
| 00:54.11 | babilen_ | sorry, daily "get a new IP game" |
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| 00:54.53 | clarjon1 | Ullans: psh. |
| 00:54.58 | Blunders_Lap | Don't feed trolls :P |
| 00:55.00 | AruNatsu | xeon-enouf: i removed vim-tiny and then installed vim :D |
| 00:55.06 | clarjon1 | Ullans: I thought that was Windows ;) |
| 00:55.08 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
| 00:55.29 | phlux | How can I stop crontab from e-mailing the user everytime it issues the command? |
| 00:55.33 | Ullans | clarjon does the latter spelling 'jon' mean you are a hook nose kike Jew like the Communist Jew Richard Stallman ? |
| 00:55.44 | AruNatsu | xeon-enouf: when i run that command, i get 3 choices: "/bin/ed", "/bin/nano", "/usr/bin/vim.basic" o.O |
| 00:55.48 | Ullans | clarjon gentiles spell it 'john' |
| 00:55.49 | babilen | anybody has seen this problem recently? |
| 00:55.57 | phlux | I have a crontab job going off every 15 minutes.. I don't need an e-mail every 15 minutes, lol. |
| 00:55.57 | xeon-enouf | !ops racial epithets from Ullans |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: xeon-enouf complains about: racial epithets from Ullans |
| 00:56.02 | AruNatsu | where's my /usr/bin/vim?! |
| 00:56.16 | KB1JWQ | Ullans: That's enough. |
| 00:56.19 | clarjon1 | Ullans: No, it's because my username from school was clarjon1, Jonathan Clark. |
| 00:56.20 | phlux | AruNatsu: in 'aptitude install vim' |
| 00:56.24 | xeon-enouf | AruNatsu: readlink -f /usr/bin/vim.basic ;-) |
| 00:56.34 | Ullans | KB1JWQ ah you have been stalking me ? |
| 00:56.51 | clarjon1 | Ullans: And i'm named Jonathan because my mother didn't like the idea of my father naming me Dugald. |
| 00:56.55 | KB1JWQ | Ullans: I'm insidious like that. |
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| 00:57.23 | Ullans | Clarjon why not Johnathon then instead of Jonathon ? Because you are a Jew ? |
| 00:57.26 | babilen | please, stop it. This is clearly offtopic |
| 00:57.30 | mentor | Ullans: Do you have a Debian related query? |
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| 00:58.09 | clarjon1 | shrugs |
| 00:58.24 | clarjon1 | i like my name... |
| 00:58.33 | mentor | Thanks for the calm response to that. |
| 00:58.54 | clarjon1 | bows |
| 00:58.58 | clarjon1 | I've been called worse |
| 00:59.02 | clarjon1 | It takes a lot to wind me up |
| 00:59.08 | xeon-enouf | likes clarjon1 despite whichever name s/he has ;-) |
| 00:59.08 | Blunders_Lap | Cool. |
| 00:59.10 | clarjon1 | Especially when i'm satiated with food as I am XD |
| 00:59.32 | clarjon1 | He'd have to ask my mom as to the spelling :P |
| 00:59.38 | Brune | sorry i was away setting up my really cool printer... |
| 00:59.40 | clarjon1 | not that i'd let him lol |
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| 00:59.51 | Brune | Dugald... thats not a bad name for a kid. |
| 00:59.56 | babilen | Has anybody heard users complain about "Untrusted packages" while installing? |
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| 01:00.07 | Brune | Johnathon isn't bad either but lets get back ontpoic |
| 01:00.11 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 01:00.14 | Brune | babilen: i have seen such things |
| 01:00.19 | xeon-enouf | babilen: you need debian-archive-keyring? |
| 01:00.27 | clarjon1 | amarok is sweet :) |
| 01:00.31 | xeon-enouf | babilen: or is that preseeding? |
| 01:00.35 | babilen | Brune: What was the cause for that? |
| 01:00.39 | Brune | clarjon1: i prefer banshee but hate mono |
| 01:01.03 | Brune | babilen: i believe its sources from third parties but am not 100% the only time i see it is on ubuntu or linux mint. |
| 01:01.06 | babilen | xeon-enouf: I am talking about a CD install, no net connection whatsoever. base system install step |
| 01:01.15 | babilen | second time i heard that today |
| 01:02.12 | babilen | Brune: I know what "untrusted packages" usually are. But this is totally unrelated to an installation from CD |
| 01:02.15 | xeon-enouf | !etch->lenny key |
| 01:02.36 | babilen | xeon-enouf: 5.0.3 |
| 01:02.42 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.57 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: etch->lenny key |
| 01:02.57 | dpkg | During <etch->lenny>, apt may warn 'W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6'. Lenny's Release file is signed by two keys, only one of which you have. The chain of trust has not been broken and you can proceed with the upgrade. This is a different message to if you had untrusted sources. Once the lenny version of "debian-archive-keyring" is installed, the message goes. See <secure apt>. |
| 01:03.14 | babilen | xeon-enouf: me too. I mean a CD shouldn't care about new keys. It has no mean to find out about them |
| 01:03.36 | babilen | it should work as it did at the day it was burned |
| 01:03.37 | adb | babilen, both cases was on powerpc ? |
| 01:03.42 | xeon-enouf | babilen: is this the actual text? "Untrusted packages" ? |
| 01:03.43 | babilen | adb: yes |
| 01:04.03 | xeon-enouf | babilen: netinstall? or cd1? or |
| 01:04.17 | Brune | babilen: well i don't believe i can help you. I am sorry, i am more of a BSD person. |
| 01:04.34 | babilen | second user tried both. I have no idea what my friend tried today... |
| 01:04.39 | Brune | babilen: i do have debian on my desktop because its best in such places |
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| 01:06.15 | babilen | Sorry, i can't really give much details on that. The error message is the "Trying to install untrusted packages. .. Answer "Yes" to continue |
| 01:06.20 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: are you up for a small bug-test? i have the feeling, that the generation of the password for bacula director are not random...could you just install bacula-director edit /etc/bacula/bacula-sd.conf and look a the password and tell me the first 3 letters |
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| 01:07.18 | babilen | It might be a bug in d-i .. somebody should investigate that. I do not have a ppc machine around to do so right now... |
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| 01:07.44 | babilen | adb: Are you aware of any problems with ppc? |
| 01:07.52 | xeon-enouf | babilen: shoot an email to debian-boot or -powerpc mailing list? |
| 01:08.13 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: no thanks ;-) |
| 01:08.29 | adb | babilen, no, i just read that incident on #d oftc |
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| 01:08.39 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: plus i'm on sid, not frankenbuntu :-P |
| 01:08.44 | babilen | xeon-enouf: I might do that. Tried to reach them on OFTC but no answer |
| 01:08.47 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: its a one second task..you can purge the packages afterwards? |
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| 01:08.49 | babilen | adb: OK :-) |
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| 01:09.04 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: could you please stop that? this AINT a ubutnu question..its about debian lenny bacula packages |
| 01:09.07 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: it's going to be wrong versions |
| 01:09.17 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: and this is a SECURITY bug. |
| 01:09.31 | xeon-enouf | EugenMayer: i'm NOT on lenny - get it? ;-) |
| 01:09.40 | eipowal | is there a debian package for image enhancement, to make the image of an old photo clearer and sharper? |
| 01:09.40 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: i have install bacula twice with purging and it happen to generate 2 passwords which are the same.. |
| 01:09.50 | EugenMayer | xeon-enouf: ow..sorryy |
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| 01:10.20 | xeon-enouf | the debian-security{-whatever} perhaps then - file a bug with the pkgname at debian's BTS |
| 01:10.50 | xeon-enouf | eipowal: probably the GIMP? |
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| 01:11.03 | xeon-enouf | !gimp |
| 01:11.03 | dpkg | somebody said gimp was the GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/ #gimp-users #gimp (on irc.gimp.org). |
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| 01:11.26 | eipowal | xeon-enouf: i use gimp but which tools would be the one? |
| 01:11.33 | xeon-enouf | no idea |
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| 01:11.50 | xeon-enouf | eipowal: see /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
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| 01:12.28 | xeon-enouf | eipowal: openoffice.org might even have some tools/applets. or even just a frontend? |
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| 01:12.41 | darkham | hi people, do you know what can i use for extract audio from a dvd? |
| 01:12.53 | xeon-enouf | mencoder? |
| 01:13.05 | adb | grip |
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| 01:14.34 | darkham | xeon-enouf, adb, they're with gui? |
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| 01:14.56 | adb | yes |
| 01:14.57 | xeon-enouf | not mencoder, not that i'm aware of |
| 01:15.26 | babilen | hmm, i found #377747 . They attributed it to unfinished mirror syncs at the time |
| 01:16.19 | adb | darkham, but take lame from dmm , to encode it direct in mp3 .. |
| 01:16.48 | darkham | ok |
| 01:16.54 | Blunders_Lap | you might not be able to extract in a specified range |
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| 01:17.35 | adb | babilen, i'll try to relive my G3 ppc and test 5.0.3 , but tomorrow , now is to late |
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| 01:17.47 | eipowal | xeon-enouf: thks, i have found a tutorial on image enhancement with gimp. will also take a look at openoffice. |
| 01:18.34 | xeon-enouf | eipowal: yeah, i recall firing up the gimp - all GUI so no need for OO.o stuffs |
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| 01:18.53 | eipowal | ok, thks again, bye. |
| 01:19.03 | xeon-enouf | no need to go away ;-) |
| 01:19.06 | babilen | adb: that would be great. If the problem persists it might be a bug. But it could just a mirror problem.. Which is bad enough if there are lot's of new users staring at their screens not knowing what to do |
| 01:19.54 | xeon-enouf | babilen: i'd think much fewer ppc users, and .. even less - ones without networking |
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| 01:20.33 | babilen | xeon-enouf: ppc true, but the problem occured with netinst and cd1 |
| 01:20.44 | adb | babilen, sure , i'll keep you informed |
| 01:21.01 | xeon-enouf | babilen: ok - i thought 'no network' was a prerequisite |
| 01:22.24 | babilen | xeon-enouf: right. I will check that.. |
| 01:23.51 | NoCode | Having 2 distros on 1 HDD, is that considered chain-loading having the 2 distros on the hard disk with grub? |
| 01:24.10 | babilen | xeon-enouf: he says it was the netinst and DVD1 |
| 01:24.35 | NoCode | ponders |
| 01:24.40 | babilen | Anyway.. i'll try to reproduce that error tomorrow when i get my hands on a ppc machine.. |
| 01:24.57 | xeon-enouf | babilen: you should prefix with adb as well - and these are all new-world? or .. does that even matter? |
| 01:25.21 | adb | xeon-enouf, yes new-world .. |
| 01:25.22 | xeon-enouf | babilen: i think g3 can be either new or old? |
| 01:25.28 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 01:25.51 | babilen | NoCode: yes |
| 01:25.51 | NoCode | Upgrading it's asking me about chain loading for grub. I have 2 distros on the disk, should I enable it? |
| 01:25.53 | Wyzard | NoCode: Chainloading refers to one bootloader loading another bootloader; it has nothing to do with the OSes being booted |
| 01:26.02 | NoCode | mmkay. |
| 01:26.05 | NoCode | D: |
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| 01:26.33 | Wyzard | NoCode: If you had two separate GRUB installations (say, one in the MBR and another on a partition) and the first GRUB menu had an option to boot that partition, resulting in the other GRUB menu appearing, that'd be chainloading |
| 01:26.45 | Wyzard | NoCode: If you have one GRUB with menu entries for both distros, that's not chainloading |
| 01:26.55 | NoCode | I'm not sure if I have a setup like that. |
| 01:27.16 | xeon-enouf | which grub is this NoCode ? |
| 01:27.23 | xeon-enouf | 1 or 2? |
| 01:27.39 | NoCode | No clue. |
| 01:27.42 | xeon-enouf | likes simple single digits for versioning :-P |
| 01:28.08 | Wyzard | probably 1; that's still the default |
| 01:28.11 | NoCode | I'll just say yes, and correct it if it needs correcting with the grub boot disk |
| 01:28.34 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: /msg dpkg grub2 squeeze ;-) |
| 01:28.49 | Wyzard | oh, cool, good to know |
| 01:28.54 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
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| 01:30.06 | filePeter | Does dpkg has a listing of his knowledge? |
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| 01:30.17 | filePeter | Where is its knowledge from? |
| 01:30.27 | Wyzard | I've been using it for about a year and I like it overall, though currently update-grub doesn't provide a way to generate the "set gfxpayload" command I need to set my preferred framebuffer console resolution |
| 01:30.38 | NoCode | Thanks for the help anyway. We'll see if it works out. xD |
| 01:31.02 | xeon-enouf | filePeter: /msg dpkg dpkgbot - and it's a contributed list - that many contribute to |
| 01:32.35 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: wouldn't video modes go into /etc/default/grub as GRUB_DEFAULT_TEMPLATE= or somesuch? |
| 01:32.46 | cretsiah | sorry to be a nuisance Ive opened sshd_config and got the allowuser, protocol 2, rootlogin no but where do i setup the password for the user? |
| 01:33.06 | xeon-enouf | is never going to remember those VAR_NAMES .. heh |
| 01:34.11 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: It's not done through video= and vga= kernel options anymore (I put those in, but grub now tells me they're deprecated, and they don't seem to have any effect) |
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| 01:34.18 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: the passwd would be the passwd of the user logging in - or, if you mean passphrase, that'd be done when you run ssh-keygen to generate keys |
| 01:34.27 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: Instead there's a *grub* command for setting the video mode, which it somehow passes to the kernel |
| 01:34.46 | filePeter | xeon-enouf: Thanks! |
| 01:34.48 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: righto - just - i've been reading some #grub scrollback |
| 01:34.54 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: e.g. "set gfxpayload=1280x800x16" |
| 01:35.10 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: oh, i see in grub.cfg? |
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| 01:35.12 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 01:35.36 | Wyzard | but there's nothing that one can set in /etc/default/grub to make update-grub put that into grub.cfg |
| 01:35.36 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: just update-grub doesn't do the right thing yet? ok |
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| 01:36.32 | r0b | su |
| 01:36.50 | Wyzard | r0b: Password: |
| 01:36.51 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 01:37.13 | r0b | lol |
| 01:37.51 | darrh00 | Wyzard:see bug 538099 |
| 01:37.52 | cretsiah | I didnt use passphrase (that i know of), maybe i need to check my etc/host file :( |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | darrh00: cool, thanks |
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| 01:43.31 | FenrirReturns | I'm having some trouble getting somethings to work in screen inside aterm, such as kismet or anything else that seems to do any sort of drawing. I'm assuming this is because my term and termcap get set to something with rxvt.screen instead of just screen. How do I change this? I tried export TERM=screen but no luck. Any ideas? |
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| 01:44.48 | Oxy-D | Hi. |
| 01:44.59 | Oxy-D | Someone know how to rebuild the dpkg cache? |
| 01:45.00 | Oxy-D | :( |
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| 01:46.56 | Brune | so i have an epson workforce 500, It's a printer, scanner, fax all in one and i want to see if I can get linux to see the scanner. what do i need to do/read to attempt this? |
| 01:47.44 | smacnay | Anyone using gnome in Deb sid find that totem quit playing audio? |
| 01:47.44 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: your /etc/ssh/sshd_config should have a PasswordAuthentication line - mine has "#PasswordAuthentication yes" <--commented out, so not read - and "PermitEmptyPasswords no" so, no empty passwds allowed and i log in fine using ssh userame@ip.ad.dr.es and being prompted for user passwd when i want |
| 01:48.01 | smacnay | Brune, linuxprinting.org |
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| 01:48.15 | Brune | smacnay: its not printing though, i want the scanner part |
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| 01:48.26 | smacnay | Brune, sane |
| 01:48.42 | smacnay | Brune, check out the sane software. |
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| 01:48.58 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: note, if you enabled shadowing of passwds upon installation /etc/pam.d/ssh comes into play - (and maybe even if no shadowing, i forget now) |
| 01:49.02 | Brune | smacnay: sane doesn't support epson |
| 01:49.13 | pheo | woah... hey everyone, i've got a simple but specific networking question... |
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| 01:49.29 | Brune | pheo: shoot |
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| 01:50.02 | pheo | im trying to forward the net connection my desktop is on to my server via ssh |
| 01:50.16 | pheo | so i can use aptitude |
| 01:51.26 | Brune | pheo: please rephrase. |
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| 01:51.40 | xeon-enouf | pheo: ipmasq? |
| 01:51.43 | Oxy-D | Someone know how to rebuild the dpkg folder? (/var/lib/dpkg) |
| 01:52.10 | simonrvn | Oxy-D: why? you wiped it all? |
| 01:52.18 | Oxy-D | Nope. |
| 01:52.23 | Oxy-D | Only one packet. |
| 01:52.33 | simonrvn | so reinstall it |
| 01:52.35 | Brune | Oxy-D: s/packet/package/ |
| 01:52.43 | pheo | ive got a server connect to my desktop via a crossover ethernet cable. I want to extend the wireless internet connection my desktop is on to the server. |
| 01:52.47 | xeon-enouf | reinstall dpkg perhaps |
| 01:52.54 | Oxy-D | o_O |
| 01:53.00 | Oxy-D | reinstallation package don't work. |
| 01:53.35 | _Trinity_ | are tehre any javascript limiting proxies other than privoxy? |
| 01:53.39 | xeon-enouf | pheo: then just use ipmasq (which is like windows ICS) |
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| 01:54.11 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 01:54.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 01:54.17 | _Trinity_ | to replace NoScript functionality in a non-ff browser? |
| 01:54.25 | xeon-enouf | pheo: unless, does ifconfig -a on server show a 169.254.x.x address? does 'pgrep avahi' show anything? |
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| 01:54.43 | Oxy-D | dpkg, wait :). |
| 01:54.43 | dpkg | Oxy-D: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:54.58 | Oxy-D | I've a bad english first. |
| 01:55.11 | Oxy-D | and next, i'reinstall the package for the correct error message. |
| 01:55.13 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot |
| 01:55.13 | dpkg | simonrvn: wish i knew |
| 01:55.19 | Oxy-D | arf. |
| 01:55.24 | Oxy-D | dpkg, nuub. :p |
| 01:55.24 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Oxy-D |
| 01:55.36 | filePeter | Lol... |
| 01:55.43 | Brune | !smart questions |
| 01:55.43 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 01:56.00 | Oxy-D | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:56.01 | Oxy-D | \o/ |
| 01:56.06 | Oxy-D | wait. i uninstall it |
| 01:56.21 | simonrvn | um. so install it |
| 01:56.23 | pheo | uh... xeon.. one sec |
| 01:56.24 | cretsiah | ah k xeon-enouf mine doesnt have "#passwordAuthentication yes" in it at all or "permit emptypasswords no" it only has those options in the ssh_config not sshd_config |
| 01:56.37 | simonrvn | and that last line is useless. |
| 01:56.50 | Oxy-D | i think it was a problem with the package :/ |
| 01:57.22 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: does /etc/ssh/sshd_config exist on the server? |
| 01:57.58 | Brune | umm i am still having problems with my epson scanner... |
| 01:58.39 | Brune | sane doesn't support my epson or any epson very well. |
| 01:58.42 | xeon-enouf | cretsiah: install openssh-server on the server, then you will have that file; also make sure sshd is running onthe server ("/etc/init.d/ssh start") and /msg dpkg rcconf for ease of controlling startup services |
| 01:58.51 | filePeter | Aha, Oxy-D. |
| 01:59.18 | Oxy-D | ? |
| 01:59.25 | simonrvn | now the true issue comes out |
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| 02:00.42 | Oxy-D | normaly, user and script are deleted when we remove a package? |
| 02:00.46 | filePeter | Is it working now, Oxy-D? |
| 02:00.49 | Brune | simonrvn: true issue? |
| 02:01.15 | Oxy-D | nagios:x:110:114::/var/run/nagios3:/bin/false |
| 02:01.16 | Oxy-D | :( |
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| 02:02.08 | pheo | xeon ... |
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| 02:02.30 | pheo | i dont have anything in pgrep avahi.. and i picked my own ip |
| 02:02.44 | filePeter | Oxy-D: No, I don't think that all users are deleted then, as far as the script does not know of the personal files of that user. |
| 02:02.46 | adb | pheo, try xeon<tab> |
| 02:03.00 | pheo | xeon-enouf: nice! |
| 02:03.06 | xeon-enouf | !ipmasq |
| 02:03.06 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
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| 02:03.19 | xeon-enouf | ouch |
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| 02:03.42 | Osax | Hi. I would like to update the translation of D-I to Arabic. Where can I find the old .po files? ar.po |
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| 02:03.57 | cretsiah | openssh-server is installed, sshd_config exists in location /etc/ssh butmy sshd_config file only has AllowUsers, Protocol 2, PermitRootLogin no, entries |
| 02:04.10 | Oxy-D | i ve a process. He sends mails every time. With the user nagios. wtf |
| 02:04.26 | simonrvn | Osax: ask in #debian-devel or #debian-boot on the oftc network |
| 02:04.33 | Osax | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 02:04.45 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:04.47 | pheo | xeon-enouf: additionally, im using fedora on my desktop.. ipmasq being removed from the repos explains alot, but i wonder if fedora has a "one-to-one" package for ipmasq |
| 02:05.32 | Oxy-D | nagios3 sucks on Debian. :( |
| 02:06.01 | simonrvn | only if it's sending out a lot of emails ;p |
| 02:06.33 | Oxy-D | He sends beceause it's not uninstalled completly :/ |
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| 02:09.05 | Oxy-D | be right back. |
| 02:09.10 | Oxy-D | thx for help guys. |
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| 02:09.35 | xeon-enouf | pheo: enabling ipmasq is like 2 steps |
| 02:09.56 | pheo | xeon-enouf: but, i need to have ipmasq, right? |
| 02:10.41 | heroxbd | Hi, how can I make the wake-on-lan option on my NIC permanent? |
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| 02:11.11 | pheo | thanks |
| 02:11.31 | little_owl | Hello my qt4 applications don't use antialisasing when texts are drawn, so the applications look horribly. Please, do you have an idea what could problem be? qtconfig-qt4 doesn't help. |
| 02:11.33 | heroxbd | I can set it with "ethtool", but it does not keep across reboot, making "wake-on-lan" useless. |
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| 02:11.53 | cretsiah | heroxbd: that would be in cmos with save and exit option |
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| 02:13.33 | heroxbd | cretsiah: What if the NIC is an indepandent one? |
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| 02:13.58 | cretsiah | sorry u got me there |
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| 02:15.48 | Multiply | Is there a way to check if oidentd is not reading from $HOME/.oidentd.conf, as it's supposed to? (I know it have got access to the file) |
| 02:16.20 | wolfelwlu | I'm having some issues with a preseed late_command. Is this the appropriate channel? |
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| 02:17.24 | Oxy-D | Re. |
| 02:17.51 | wolfelwlu | Trying to install sudo-ldap with a preseed. Issue is for that package to installexport SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=yes has to be set. |
| 02:18.34 | heroxbd | cretsiah: Oh... it is said PCI NICs can also be used. But my question is, there are many options from ethtool (different kinds of wake-up events) but the BIOS option has only on/off. How can I preserve those ethtool settings across reboot? |
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| 02:24.07 | EugenMayer | anybody can help be mit the bacula console on lenny. ( bconsole ). Iam tryint to connect to the localhost running bacula direcotr..but i get timeouted all the time. ports are the same, also passwords are correct |
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| 02:26.58 | NoCode | Wow, the upgrade worked. |
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| 02:27.05 | NoCode | I had my doubts. |
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| 02:30.22 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: independent NIC? |
| 02:30.52 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: does the NIC have the 2 or 3wire hookup tothe motherboard WOL header? |
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| 02:32.38 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: there's probably something you could add/tweak in /etc/network/if-preup.d/ or somesuch ..or /etc/default/* .. or one of the /init.d/ scripts like /networking |
| 02:32.42 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I meant NIC no integrated on the mainboard.. |
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| 02:33.24 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: WoL/WoMR CMOS settings don't only apply to onboard NICs |
| 02:33.39 | xeon-enouf | so heroxbd: does the NIC have the 2 or 3wire hookup tothe motherboard WOL header? |
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| 02:34.12 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I see. It is said ethtool settings can perserve once... not yet, I will figure this out. |
| 02:34.27 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: but you can't even test it? |
| 02:34.45 | xeon-enouf | i mean if it works, cause you can't shutdown/hibernate? |
| 02:35.05 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I can test with my laptop. the server is outof physical reach |
| 02:35.43 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: you test the server with the laptop? you're not making any sense to me |
| 02:35.45 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I haven't even secceed with lan waking-up. |
| 02:36.22 | xeon-enouf | right - cause the setting isn't sticking? pastebin output of whatever your ethtool command is, plus any output |
| 02:38.40 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: sorry, my internet speed is low. My aim is to be able to wake up a remote server. But I have not even played with wake-on-lan yet. So I need first to experiment with my laptop :) hope that is clear |
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| 02:41.18 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I set " ethtool -s eth0 wol g " and after I reboot ethtool gives "wake on lan: d", so it is disabled again. after a little bit of googling, i guess wol settings can stick _only once_ for the next shutdown, right? |
| 02:42.21 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: that would make no sense to me if that were the case ... however, i'm not 100% sure |
| 02:42.58 | heroxbd | xeon-enouf: I am going to halt my laptop for the first trial. Thank u and cu later~ |
| 02:43.16 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: ##networking would know - but have you installed etherwake? |
| 02:43.41 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: i suspect the NIC needs to have that 2wire connected to mobo header |
| 02:44.23 | xeon-enouf | heroxbd: see, i don't know if ethtool checks to see if that's the case, prior to toggling it's setting |
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| 02:45.03 | wald0 | it is "ati catalyst" the free replacement of fglrx ? what is the actual state in debian ? |
| 02:45.27 | xeon-enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 02:45.27 | dpkg | The <radeon> project started under a non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, a second project, <radeonhd>, was started from scratch with a focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature and http://x.org/wiki/radeon#head-7b2a81f777639f8e12c9ac08a1e31d4c4bee9ef5 |
| 02:46.10 | NoCode_ | How do I uninstall a compiled package? Is it "make uninstall" from the source directory? |
| 02:46.46 | xeon-enouf | should be if designed properly |
| 02:46.55 | NoCode_ | hmm, k |
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| 02:47.10 | wald0 | xeon-enouf: so is "catalyst" = radeonhd ? |
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| 02:47.34 | NoCode_ | "make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop." Which probably means it obviously didn't work. :P |
| 02:47.36 | NoCode_ | :( |
| 02:48.19 | wald0 | NoCode_: read the lines of "make install" and remove manually the files installed, after to that, spank the lazy developer |
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| 02:49.28 | NoCode_ | actually, what am I saying ... it's a python program. Or, should that matter? |
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| 02:49.49 | hn8456 | hi all |
| 02:49.55 | Aalinux | What's the command to copy all from a directory.I did going to that directory cp * /media/drive but it ignores copying directory. |
| 02:50.25 | adb | cp -R / |
| 02:50.34 | hn8456 | I want to install the lastest build of Debian testing from usb |
| 02:50.38 | NoCode_ | -R being recursive. |
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| 02:51.09 | notpeter | evening all. I was in the process of running dist-upgrade on a machine that hadn't been updated in over a year...and then my SSH session dropped. (should've been using screen, I know). Any suggestions of how to continue the process? |
| 02:51.10 | wald0 | cp -a |
| 02:51.13 | hn8456 | which can i use debian installer ( hd-media ) ? |
| 02:51.39 | wald0 | notpeter: apt-get -f install |
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| 02:52.01 | hn8456 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/i386/ |
| 02:52.22 | hn8456 | this link has no hd-media directory |
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| 02:52.38 | Aalinux | adb: NoCode_: Will -R copy all files and directories? cp: missing destination file operand after `/media/drive/folder' |
| 02:52.53 | Aalinux | Why is that? |
| 02:53.30 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.45 | phlux | Anyone know how to use the timer that is built into fetchmail? |
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| 02:54.34 | wald0 | phlux: what you want to do ? |
| 02:54.38 | phlux | Using crontab is annoying, as I've got it to check mail every 15 minutes, so every 15 minutes, it drops an e-mail about doing the cron job. |
| 02:54.46 | phlux | wald0: I want to retrieve my mail every 15 minutes. |
| 02:54.59 | Aalinux | adb: I did this cp -R * /b |
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| 02:55.11 | phlux | I have '+MAILUSER+""' set in the crontab, but it still e-mails the results to me |
| 02:55.14 | wald0 | phlux: then set a cron that run a command |
| 02:55.20 | phlux | yeah I did that |
| 02:55.37 | Aalinux | adb: It works. Thank you. |
| 02:55.38 | phlux | but every 15 minutes, it drops a message in /var/spool/phlux that contains the status of the crontab entry |
| 02:55.42 | phlux | I don't want it to do that. |
| 02:55.48 | wald0 | add 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null to the end of your command, phlux |
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| 02:56.31 | phlux | so.. "*/20 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null"? |
| 02:57.04 | phlux | er |
| 02:57.08 | phlux | */15, rather |
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| 02:57.34 | wald0 | yes |
| 02:57.44 | phlux | Alrighty, I'll give that a shot, thanks |
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| 02:58.28 | hn8456 | anyone can help me ? |
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| 02:59.01 | xeon-enouf | hn8456: use netinstall? |
| 02:59.15 | xeon-enouf | hn8456: why do you want hd-media? |
| 02:59.37 | hn8456 | i only want a base system |
| 02:59.43 | xeon-enouf | so what |
| 02:59.54 | xeon-enouf | see the Installation guide |
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| 03:00.08 | xeon-enouf | hd-media is not a base system |
| 03:00.22 | hn8456 | of course |
| 03:00.38 | hn8456 | i use hd-media to create a usb debian installer |
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| 03:00.40 | xeon-enouf | just deselect any tasks when tasksel menu appears |
| 03:00.48 | xeon-enouf | !usb install |
| 03:00.48 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 03:00.57 | user1__ | screen |
| 03:01.22 | phlux | that seems to have worked, wald0. Thanks. |
| 03:02.18 | xeon-enouf | phlux: you could likely consolidate that to 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 03:02.39 | hn8456 | xeon-enouf: i have done that |
| 03:02.46 | wolfelwlu | Is there a clean way to pass an environment variable to pkgsel instead of running apt-install as a late_command? |
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| 03:03.16 | hn8456 | but it notice me that "no probaly between kernel of install and archive" |
| 03:03.38 | xeon-enouf | sorry? |
| 03:03.51 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: no, that's the wrong order again |
| 03:03.52 | NoCode_ | Okay, so I've successfully upgraded to Squeeze, but in Synaptic it's stating the packages getting installed are not authenticating. This makes me think that I need to authenticate the repositories because they're not using the Lenny/ Lenny Volatile repositories. Am I correct? |
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| 03:04.12 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: huh? |
| 03:04.30 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: sigh. >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 03:05.05 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: why's that? i never understood why sometimes the order is inverted |
| 03:05.28 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: it's not inverted. it's always, always handles left to right |
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| 03:06.03 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: what? i use 2>&1 >/dev/null all the time .. albeit not in cron per se |
| 03:06.34 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: >/dev/null 2>&1 means first make stdout be /dev/null, then make stderr be the same as stdout (i.e. /dev/null too) |
| 03:06.36 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: if you do "2>&1" first, then the ">/dev/null" later does not "magically" take "2" with it. 2 stays, where 1 pointed before (usually your tty) |
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| 03:07.19 | catsup | xeon-enouf: man dup2 |
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| 03:07.38 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: if you don't believe me, do "ls nosuchfile . 2>&1 >/dev/null" and see how stderr comes out @tty. And if you do it like that all the time, you do it wrongly |
| 03:07.42 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: 2>&1 is not the same as &> .. and 2>&1 takes stderr and moves it over to stdout which then both go to /dev/null |
| 03:07.56 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: no. |
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| 03:08.40 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: if you don't believe me, do the cmd I just showed you (I presume, that "nosuchfile" does not exist and thus generates an error) |
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| 03:09.19 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: 2>&1 makes stderr go to the same place as stdout goes *at that time* |
| 03:09.21 | catsup | 2>&1 calls dup2(1, 2) |
| 03:09.31 | notpeter | wald0: thanks. apt-get install -f followed by an apt-get dist-upgrade cleaned it up. |
| 03:09.35 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: then afterward. >/dev/null changes stdout to go somewhere else |
| 03:10.03 | Tramp | well, people must think I fail to explain stuff properly - which, given his reaction, is probably right. |
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| 03:10.11 | catsup | it closes fd 2 and, replaces it with a copy of fd 1, per man dup2. |
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| 03:10.38 | NoCode_ | apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean did the trick (with my issue) |
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| 03:11.06 | simonrvn | NoCode_: install debian-keyring (or whatever it's called) |
| 03:11.11 | Wyzard | And then >/dev/null closes fd 1 (breaking the link with 2) and reopens it on a different file |
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| 03:12.10 | simonrvn | Tramp: it's ok, i have the same problem. |
| 03:12.23 | Tramp | simonrvn: *g* |
| 03:12.30 | simonrvn | i do my best, but sometimes meh |
| 03:12.34 | NoCode_ | simonrvn, thanks will try it. |
| 03:14.01 | xeon-enouf | ok ok .. but the goal wasn't to get output to console dropped - it was to get the mails from being spooled, In my examples i use things like "wodim -help 2>&1 | less" sometimes, but my goal isn't to suppress console output |
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| 03:14.11 | dios_mio | how do you set your sound recording device? |
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| 03:14.41 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: but point taken, thanks - you too Wyzard |
| 03:16.15 | Tramp | goal was, to silence cron. therefore nothing is allowed to appear on either stdout or stderr. For this goal, "2>&1 >/dev/null" is plain wrong. |
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| 03:16.51 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: yea, your example suppresses output to tty0 or pts0 or fb0 or whatever; but try 'wodim -help | less' or "wodim -help >/dev/null 2>&1 | less" and notice the differneces between either of those and my example above |
| 03:16.56 | NoCode_ | simonrvn, I did do, "apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean" which got rid of the message, though, when I searched for debian keyring it came up. So I'm installing that too now. |
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| 03:17.43 | Tramp | I don't have to try it, I know the difference. I was correcting /your/ wrong example for /his/ use case, not some wodim stuff you come up with now. |
| 03:18.29 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: you don't seem to care that i'm correct in my usage example and his issue was resolved using my example |
| 03:18.52 | Tramp | it is not. He will have stderr mailed if he does, what you suggest |
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| 03:21.56 | NoCode_ | What's weird is. Before this upgrade I had gnome installed. Gnome was quite messed up before the upgrade. So I decided to give it a shot before reinstalling -- so I upgraded, and had to reinstall gnome again for some reason. And, everything has been working fine since. I had to fix my netowrking in Squeeze, but it looked like a common problem. |
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| 03:22.18 | NoCode_ | Everything seems to be working quite well right now except X is quite slow. I need to look into that. |
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| 03:24.55 | catsup | https://we.riseup.net/assets/2237/apt-get-install-anarchism_large.jpg |
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| 03:31.11 | linuxguy2009 | Anyone know if the Debian Live CD has the ability to be installed from itself even though they say an install is not necessary to use it? |
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| 03:32.22 | optraz | when we do arping to an ip address, why it is not exist in the arp tables? |
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| 03:33.42 | xeon-enouf | Tramp: i stand corrected, sorry for being so stubborn - seems i hadn't had a good understanding about how all that works. |
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| 03:34.11 | Tramp | xeon-enouf: np. |
| 03:34.16 | xeon-enouf | (not to mention i misread the repliers nickname) |
| 03:34.27 | linuxguy2009 | Nobody knows anything about the live cd? |
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| 03:40.45 | optraz | when we do arping to an ip address, why it is not exist in the arp tables? |
| 03:43.36 | phlux | does anyone know how I can set links2 (using svgalib) to use gpm's pastebuffer? |
| 03:43.37 | phlux | I don't think it can be done |
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| 03:49.44 | xeon-enouf | while we're on correction; i recently (last few days..or up to a week ago?) mentioned (more than once) how grub gets installed to *disks* (hda, hdaX, sda, sdaX and so forth), not to virtual block devices (mdadm, lvm, etc), but with grub2, this is certainly not the case, as one can install directly to /dev/md0 say, and things like root=(md0) in place of (hdX,X) is also valid in grub2(grub-pc in debian). I don't recall if i specified gru |
| 03:49.48 | NoCode_ | Since I'm upgraded to squeeze, and reinstalled gnome -- I have 2 volume controls.. Is this common? I'm not sure if I borked my upgrade, and got gnome working somehow, or what.. When upgrading it seems like gnome didn't installed(it was installed before the upgrade). I installed the gnome metapackage, and it installed a huge amount of dependencies. Now it's working. |
| 03:50.54 | xeon-enouf | phlux: hrm, have you seen Help > Keys ? |
| 03:51.27 | phlux | xeon-enouf: nope, will take a look |
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| 03:52.00 | xeon-enouf | phlux: note; ^Z|X|V|K |
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| 03:52.12 | phlux | xeon-enouf: that's not gpm's pastebuffer |
| 03:52.17 | xeon-enouf | right |
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| 03:52.21 | phlux | links2 uses its own pastebuffer (for svgalib, anyway) |
| 03:52.30 | phlux | I need to copy from irssi to links2 |
| 03:52.41 | CodyJJ | Hi; for some reason, my terminal is starting to print weird things when I try to tab complete (cd ..-sh: <( compgen -d -- '..' ): No such file or directory |
| 03:52.45 | CodyJJ | for example |
| 03:53.04 | CodyJJ | It started after I did an rm -rf /emul/ to try to reinstall ia32-libs :/ |
| 03:53.06 | CodyJJ | Any ideas? |
| 03:53.14 | xeon-enouf | phlux: oh .. mouse - duh |
| 03:53.21 | phlux | yep, lol |
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| 03:53.39 | phlux | the mouse doesn't have the functions in svgalib to paste for some reason |
| 03:53.39 | ryguy | Hey, when creating a .deb file, will the packages under "depends" autoinstall when they install my .deb? Or do they have to be under "pre-depends" to autoinstall? |
| 03:53.53 | xeon-enouf | CodyJJ: you likely have a subshell of something like bash -v running |
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| 03:54.03 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, I rebooted my computer |
| 03:54.07 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, any way to tell for sure? |
| 03:54.20 | xeon-enouf | CodyJJ: try 'exit' see if it stops - do not do that if you're in a needed chroot or ssh or something |
| 03:54.31 | xeon-enouf | ps auxf ; pstree -lunap |
| 03:55.00 | Andorin | So I use what seems to be an Intel integrated graphics controller, and Debian experiences general lag with basic things- some websites, minimizing/resizing windows, alt+tabbing between windows. I don't really know how to manage drivers in Linux, so I wonder if anyone might help me figure out why my system lags like this? |
| 03:55.08 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, there's two bash terminals under the "Terminal" process (XFCE at the moment) |
| 03:55.18 | CodyJJ | One for my SSH shell to my server and one for this window. :P |
| 03:56.11 | NoCode_ | =\ |
| 03:56.13 | xeon-enouf | CodyJJ: all i know is something weird like that was happening to me, and that's how i cleared it up, i recall doing something funky in that shell session prior though .. some testing |
| 03:56.42 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, it happened right after deleting /emul/ |
| 03:56.51 | ryguy | Hey, when creating a .deb file, will the packages under "depends" autoinstall when they install my .deb? Or do they have to be under "pre-depends" to autoinstall? |
| 03:56.57 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, and, porbably related, when I try to run a 32-bit app, it says, of all things, "no file found" |
| 03:56.57 | xeon-enouf | CodyJJ: i have no /emul/ :-) |
| 03:57.03 | CodyJJ | Even though it was working perfectly before. |
| 03:57.05 | CodyJJ | Goshdangit. |
| 03:57.15 | CodyJJ | should just install i386 Debian again and screw the ia32 libs. :P |
| 03:57.32 | xeon-enouf | CodyJJ: wait, is that a chroot 32bit environment? |
| 03:57.48 | xeon-enouf | from an amd64 install? |
| 03:58.05 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, I don't know if it was a chroot or not. |
| 03:58.12 | CodyJJ | I just know that rm -rfing it was probably a bad idea |
| 03:59.27 | xeon-enouf | where did /emul/ come from? and do you mean a dir/ at the top of 'rootfs'? or ~/home/username? |
| 03:59.46 | xeon-enouf | ia32-libs? |
| 03:59.49 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, at / and I think it was set up by ia32libs |
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| 04:00.11 | xeon-enouf | so reinstall that? apt-get install --reinstall ia32-libs? |
| 04:00.27 | CodyJJ | Tried it, xeon-enouf |
| 04:00.56 | xeon-enouf | or .. /msg dpkg ... oh wtf is it again, not equivs! |
| 04:01.41 | xeon-enouf | !confmiss |
| 04:01.41 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 04:01.47 | xeon-enouf | there CodyJJ ^^^ |
| 04:04.40 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, I removed the package with purge before I removed the directory. |
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| 04:06.35 | xeon-enouf | ryguy: predepends are for when certain pkgs need to be installed prior .. to even be able to install yours/other .debs |
| 04:06.58 | CodyJJ | xeon-enouf, doesn't work. |
| 04:07.00 | NoCode_ | How does an upgrade work? Would I have to reinstall gnome again like I had to? |
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| 04:21.08 | IceIsFun | is it possible to configure a debian box to operate as a switch |
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| 04:22.37 | kraut | moin |
| 04:22.57 | pickcoder | IceIsFun: based on what? |
| 04:23.07 | IceIsFun | Operating like a normal switch |
| 04:23.24 | pickcoder | there are several types of switching operations |
| 04:23.55 | Andorin | So I use what seems to be an Intel integrated graphics controller, and Debian experiences general lag with basic things- some websites, minimizing/resizing windows, alt+tabbing between windows. I don't really know how to manage drivers in Linux, so I wonder if anyone might help me figure out why my system lags like this? |
| 04:24.15 | pickcoder | a normal switch could be unmanaged or managed level 3 |
| 04:24.34 | IceIsFun | Well I would be interested in vlan support |
| 04:24.34 | pickcoder | it's better to ask specific questions like, can I route traffic between several networks |
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| 04:30.24 | EugenMayer | what tiny not text browsers are inlcuded in lenny? |
| 04:30.33 | EugenMayer | ( i could use in a remote X11 session properly ) |
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| 04:30.50 | kevke | a wonderful good morning. I am in the need of creating a user with root capabilities, could someone tell me how to do it? OS is Debian Lenny on a webserver |
| 04:31.36 | adb | !sudo |
| 04:31.36 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it, ask me about <visudo>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 04:32.22 | xeon-enouf | adduser/useradd ... ; /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 04:32.32 | xeon-enouf | adb: is too quick |
| 04:33.19 | mosno | speaking of running X apps with root perms: is there something in the works that allows only the necessary part of the app to escalate privs, versus running the whole damned thing as root? |
| 04:33.32 | EugenMayer | how to get iceweasel work over remote x11? |
| 04:33.38 | mosno | or is that already available to programmers, but not widely implemented? |
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| 04:35.50 | xeon-enouf | mosno: sux, gksudo/gksu, kdesu/kdesudo? |
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| 04:37.42 | kevke | Assuming I want the user to be zapp and give him a directory the command that needs to be posted is "adduser zapp -p 01798337 -g root" is this correct? |
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| 04:38.22 | xeon-enouf | mosno: programatically maybe google about euid/ruid (effective / real uid) |
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| 04:42.33 | rindolf | Hi all! mirror.isoc.org.il (the local Israeli mirror) is dead-on-arrival now. How can I switch /etc/apt/sources.list to a different mirror? |
| 04:42.56 | xeon-enouf | !mirrors |
| 04:42.56 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 04:43.39 | xeon-enouf | as root; sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:45.15 | rindolf | xeon-enouf: many thanks. |
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| 04:46.18 | kevke | Assuming I want the user to be zapp and give him a directory the command that needs to be posted is "adduser zapp -p 01798337 -g root" is this correct? |
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| 05:04.48 | Andorin | So I use what seems to be an Intel integrated graphics controller, and Debian experiences general lag with basic things- some websites, minimizing/resizing windows, alt+tabbing between windows. I don't really know how to manage drivers in Linux, so I wonder if anyone might help me figure out why my system lags like this? |
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| 05:06.36 | adb | Andorin, lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 05:07.24 | Andorin | adb: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29c2] (rev 02) |
| 05:07.51 | adb | judd, xorg 8086:29c2 |
| 05:07.53 | judd | adb: In lenny, device 8086:29c2 is matched by xorg driver: 'intel'. |
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| 05:08.37 | mosno | xeon-enouf: i'm talking about in-process priv esc |
| 05:08.38 | Andorin | Okay, so what does that mean for me? |
| 05:09.08 | mosno | xeon-enouf: (effectively, not necessarily literally) |
| 05:09.13 | adb | Andorin, all have to be ok in lenny |
| 05:09.33 | adb | Andorin, running ? |
| 05:09.47 | Andorin | adb: I don't understand what you're asking. |
| 05:09.56 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.03 | Andorin | Yes. |
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| 05:10.41 | adb | try X -configure :1 , and read message |
| 05:10.50 | NoCode_ | Upon upgrading to Squeeze, I had to reinstall gnome -- Is this normal? I was left in a tty at long in. I tried to startx but it didn't do anything. |
| 05:10.56 | KTO-TO | hi all |
| 05:11.24 | NoCode_ | So now I have ... gnome installed(again) and it's working okay. |
| 05:11.53 | adb | NoCode_, so now be happy ;) |
| 05:12.09 | NoCode_ | adb, Is this proper though? lol |
| 05:12.12 | Andorin | adb: Here. http://pastebin.com/d7fad3d4d |
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| 05:12.46 | adb | Andorin, not me reading , but you |
| 05:13.17 | Andorin | Then what am I looking for? Driver 'intel'? |
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| 05:14.06 | Andorin | It's in the list of video drivers. |
| 05:14.09 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:15.16 | Andorin | Yeah, it... gives me a lot of information, not instructions. |
| 05:15.26 | Napst3r | hey guys |
| 05:15.36 | Napst3r | i need talk to the admin of debian.net |
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| 05:16.18 | adb | Andorin, nah , it tels you how to test the new xorg.conf.new |
| 05:18.09 | Andorin | adb: Yes, there's a command in that. If I run it, what will it do for me? |
| 05:18.43 | adb | run it and see .. |
| 05:18.49 | Napst3r | there is an sql inject in debian's site ! |
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| 05:19.30 | Andorin | Napst3r: To report a problem with the web site, e-mail debian-www@lists.debian.org |
| 05:19.52 | Napst3r | Andorin,Ok |
| 05:20.07 | adb | is out |
| 05:20.37 | Andorin | Yeah, I get an error. |
| 05:20.56 | NoCode | palms. I had glxgears running at over 1100 FPS in Lenny, now it's at 250~. |
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| 05:38.03 | cretsiah | hi i finally have a ssh session from my windoze box to my debian server, how do i enable x-window-system on the user account i log in with? |
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| 05:38.09 | gOLDfeesh | is there a reason as to why my module install always uses 2.6.28.10 as the dir instead of 2.6.28.15-generic? |
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| 05:40.22 | tenzind | hi, i am using debian squeeze. I recently did a dist-upgrade and now whenever I go to Edit -> Preference in nautilus, it crashes. what could the problem be |
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| 05:43.20 | gOLDfeesh | is there a reason as to why my module install always uses 2.6.28.10 as the dir instead of 2.6.28.15-generic? |
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| 05:51.49 | NoCode | Is there anyway to get xchat showing up in the notification area? I've set the program to start automatically when I restart/start up.. But, when it starts up, there's no icon in the notification area for some reason |
| 05:52.18 | bpun | NoCode, kde or gome? |
| 05:52.23 | NoCode | gnome |
| 05:52.33 | bpun | NoCode, use sessions from preferences |
| 05:52.47 | NoCode | I have, it's there. :) |
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| 05:53.37 | NoCode | There's just no icon in the notification area. I've also selected the option for xchat to stay in notification area |
| 05:53.58 | bpun | NoCode, (/usr/bin/xchat) |
| 05:54.12 | NoCode | hmm |
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| 05:54.19 | gOLDfeesh | is there a reason as to why my module install always uses 2.6.28.10 as the dir instead of 2.6.28.15-generic? |
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| 05:55.04 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, because ur source is 2.6.28.10 ? |
| 05:55.12 | NoCode | I had "xchat" in there, changed it to /usr/bin/xchat. |
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| 05:55.21 | NoCode | I'll check it out I guess |
| 05:55.30 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, how would I change that? |
| 05:55.46 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, download the kernel source for your running kernel? |
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| 05:56.17 | NoCode | same thing. Maybe I delay xchat a second or 2 |
| 05:56.36 | NoCode | Since it starts first, then gnome-panel starts |
| 05:56.37 | gOLDfeesh | linux-source-2.6.28 is already the newest version. |
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| 05:57.26 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, Ihave the headers of my kernel |
| 05:57.27 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, then add a source entry to get its source.. |
| 05:57.37 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, huh? |
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| 05:57.46 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, is that kern from backports? |
| 05:57.46 | NoCode | sleep 3 && /usr/bin/xchat will hopefully do it. |
| 05:58.09 | bpun | NoCode, type which xchat? |
| 05:58.14 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, don't think so |
| 05:58.39 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, you not using bpo at all? |
| 05:58.48 | gOLDfeesh | no. |
| 05:59.29 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, is this debian? |
| 05:59.39 | NoCode | bpun, Not sure what you mean.. I'm just using the regular xchat. :) |
| 05:59.43 | NoCode | brb |
| 05:59.53 | bpun | NoCode, u're not on debian.. |
| 05:59.58 | frost_ | hello! |
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| 06:00.02 | NoCode | Yes I am. |
| 06:00.16 | bpun | NoCode, i'm not gettins .28 here |
| 06:00.45 | NoCode | hmm? |
| 06:00.46 | bpun | NoCode, you're probably on sid or something.. |
| 06:00.46 | frost_ | why debian not ubuntu on a laptop ? |
| 06:00.46 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, yes |
| 06:01.02 | bpun | NoCode, so place in another repo source for your kernel source |
| 06:01.04 | NoCode | Oh yeah, I'm on Squeeze. 2.6.30-1 |
| 06:01.21 | frost_ | found a lot of answers on forums regarding ubuntus better hardware support |
| 06:01.27 | bpun | NoCode, so get your correct source.. |
| 06:01.27 | frost_ | but those are outdated |
| 06:02.07 | bpun | frost_, therefore your primary conclusion is invalid, and half of what you just said is 0% correct |
| 06:02.24 | bpun | frost_, butts are for stupids |
| 06:02.39 | bpun | frost_, if u claim something, dont retract it on the second line of your irc "input" |
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| 06:02.59 | bpun | frost_, are you stupid? |
| 06:03.04 | bpun | frost_, #ubuntu you go |
| 06:03.06 | frost_ | bpun : read what i typed once more. |
| 06:03.28 | NoCode | Debian is so much more solid than Ubuntu. At least with my hardware. And I'm learning way more about the innards, so therefore I am sticking with Debian after being a 3-4 year Ubuntu user. |
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| 06:03.38 | gOLDfeesh | bpun my linux is symlinked to /usr/src/2.6.28.15-generic |
| 06:03.42 | frost_ | bpun : respect yourself, and try to understand what you read. |
| 06:04.02 | frost_ | and yes, im at #ubuntu |
| 06:04.09 | frost_ | gona ask the same question/ |
| 06:04.09 | bpun | frost_, sorry. I'm not a big fan of butts. you are, but i'm not.. so i'm closing the hatch |
| 06:04.23 | frost_ | butts? |
| 06:04.38 | gOLDfeesh | frost_, a....hole |
| 06:05.03 | bpun | gOLDfeesh, the kernel compiler folks would know better than me.. |
| 06:05.18 | gOLDfeesh | bpun, okay ty anyways ciao |
| 06:05.22 | frost_ | interesting |
| 06:05.45 | frost_ | no wonders you didnt understand what i typed. :S |
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| 06:10.43 | ramindia1 | hi any one here ? |
| 06:12.13 | kevke | guess so |
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| 06:13.33 | ramindia1 | how can i recover rm -rf files |
| 06:13.52 | ramindia1 | and admin copied file like this cp conf.tar.bz2 ~ |
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| 06:14.03 | ramindia1 | where can i find this ~ file |
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| 06:14.49 | user1_ | what's the consensus stock charting/tech analysis app used on linux? I'm having some trouble either understanding or getting qtstalker to work, I was wondering if there's anything else popular, FOSS (in deb repository?) and easy to use? |
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| 06:17.02 | stew | ramindia1: to recover a file removed with rm -rf, you'd restore it from a recent backup |
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| 06:17.19 | stew | ramindia1: ~ is shorthand for $HOME ; its the users's home directory, typically /home/username |
| 06:17.22 | ramindia1 | stew: no back available |
| 06:18.29 | ramindia1 | stew: but i dont see that files |
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| 06:31.06 | Ohan | hi there people, how may i check if a given server is 32 or 64 bits? |
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| 06:31.20 | Ohan | (and thus, if i may install it with a amd64 version or not) |
| 06:31.26 | IceIsFun | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:31.26 | Ohan | there's a debian on it already |
| 06:31.33 | fredl | good morning folks. |
| 06:31.41 | Ohan | good morning fredl |
| 06:31.48 | Ohan | IceIsFun, i'll try that straight away |
| 06:31.53 | Ohan | any specific info i'm after? |
| 06:32.22 | stew | Ohan: the "lm" flag indicates 64 bit |
| 06:32.41 | IceIsFun | Also you can see what type and how many CPUs are in the machine |
| 06:32.56 | Ohan | stew, ok, thanks a lot |
| 06:33.01 | stew | "long mode" |
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| 06:33.30 | jaggz | why is switching desktops not instant? I don't understand |
| 06:33.44 | fredl | jaggz - what do you mean 'not instant' ? |
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| 06:34.03 | fredl | jaggz - in X? |
| 06:34.48 | liable | jaggz: mine is a bit slow when the DE turns off compositing. video driver problem i guess |
| 06:36.01 | Ohan | stew: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 06:36.11 | Ohan | you mean the "lm" in there? so it should be a 64bits |
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| 06:36.44 | stew | Ohan: yes, yes |
| 06:36.47 | Ohan | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz |
| 06:36.51 | Ohan | ok, well, thanks ;) |
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| 06:46.09 | dserban | Ok apparently I've never used linux before... bech... :( ... Ok so say I have an nfs mount ... then from the client machine, I want to "touch file" inside the mounted directory which is group writable... and the user belongs to that group... wth would I get a permission denied error? |
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| 06:47.02 | nsadmin | dserban: enter the command that shows you the permissions of the file |
| 06:47.15 | dserban | ls -l |
| 06:47.30 | nsadmin | from the same place where you did the touch |
| 06:47.49 | nsadmin | also, man ls, look for -d |
| 06:48.15 | dserban | k |
| 06:48.29 | dserban | well I know what -d does... |
| 06:48.39 | dserban | I don't understand what you're telling me to do |
| 06:48.44 | nsadmin | so what is the perm on the dir you're in? |
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| 06:49.16 | dserban | drwxrwxr-x 4 dserban media |
| 06:49.31 | dserban | ls -la |
| 06:49.35 | dserban | shows me . |
| 06:49.42 | dserban | which has the above permissions |
| 06:49.50 | nsadmin | brb |
| 06:49.52 | dserban | oh lol I see what you're asking me to do |
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| 06:52.23 | dserban | yeah... the current directory is group media |
| 06:52.29 | dserban | the parent dir is group media |
| 06:52.52 | nsadmin | and your whoami is dserban? |
| 06:53.29 | dserban | nope it's someone else who also belongs to media |
| 06:53.55 | nsadmin | what happens when dserban tries the touch in that dir? |
| 06:54.05 | dserban | sec gotta su |
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| 06:54.29 | dserban | permission denied :( |
| 06:54.40 | dserban | oh nevermind |
| 06:54.55 | dserban | it worked ... I touched the wrong file which I didn't have permissions to touch |
| 06:55.22 | jetscreamer | so in fstab, if i want to mount by uuid, it's UUID= ... so for id, ID=ata-PHILIPS_DVD8421_MYJS62162C ? |
| 06:55.30 | nsadmin | ok, try as the other user |
| 06:55.57 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: I have uuids in my fstab, one sec |
| 06:56.04 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 06:56.22 | jetscreamer | i want to use the /dev/disk/by-id/ stuff for the dvd |
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| 06:57.09 | dserban | user@nova:/mnt/media/games$ touch hola |
| 06:57.16 | dserban | touch: cannot touch `hola': Permission denied |
| 06:57.59 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: those are links iirc |
| 06:58.08 | nsadmin | to nodes |
| 06:58.12 | nsadmin | so they should work |
| 06:58.50 | nsadmin | dserban: hola is nonexistant? |
| 06:59.15 | dserban | getent group media |
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| 06:59.26 | dserban | media:x:1024:user |
| 06:59.31 | dserban | yeah it doesn't exist |
| 06:59.54 | nsadmin | ok, run mount with no args, see if there are flags |
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| 07:00.31 | dserban | 192.168.0.2:/srv/media on /mnt/media type nfs (rw,noatime,addr=192.168.0.2) |
| 07:00.56 | dserban | that's the mountpoint |
| 07:01.02 | nsadmin | are you sshed into the server? |
| 07:01.07 | dserban | yep |
| 07:01.24 | nsadmin | check out the logs |
| 07:01.32 | jetscreamer | yes, but i want to use the id# to mount it with. strangely enough, the changing/switching hda/hdb/hde/hdf hasn't been fixed in a year and a half or so, since udev was introduced... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ see Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 07:01.52 | nsadmin | maybe /var/log/messages |
| 07:02.04 | jetscreamer | 2.6.13? i forget.. thereabouts |
| 07:02.16 | dserban | which one? syslog? i've checked... none show much of ... anything... except the mounting of the export by the client machine |
| 07:02.49 | dserban | oh wait |
| 07:02.52 | dserban | I see this |
| 07:02.56 | dserban | Sep 23 23:38:28 cygnus kernel: [1495460.119946] svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97). |
| 07:03.02 | dserban | what's that mean? |
| 07:03.09 | cire | does anybody know a graphic showing how DRI, opengl, Mesa, hw-drivers and so on interact? |
| 07:03.11 | jetscreamer | come to think of it, i don't think by-id# is supported in mount |
| 07:03.13 | nsadmin | nfs does use rpc |
| 07:03.15 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 07:04.00 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: it should, because those are just links to the mknod file |
| 07:04.23 | jetscreamer | uuid works fine, for the hd's |
| 07:04.55 | dserban | well... portmap right? |
| 07:05.11 | nsadmin | which should be running on both client and server |
| 07:05.32 | jetscreamer | man mount and man fstab just says label and uuid |
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| 07:06.42 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: do readlink on the by-id# file in question |
| 07:06.53 | dserban | both are running rpc (portmap) |
| 07:06.54 | jetscreamer | /dev/disk/by-path/ would work even better... my second dvd shows up in there |
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| 07:08.08 | dserban | grrrr!!! |
| 07:08.10 | dserban | :P |
| 07:08.34 | jetscreamer | well yeah ... ../../hda ls -l gives it too. the problem is they keep switching, sometimes it's hda, sometimes it's hde |
| 07:08.59 | nsadmin | how often do they switch? |
| 07:09.08 | jetscreamer | not sure i quit paying attention |
| 07:09.23 | nsadmin | any time within a single boot? |
| 07:09.31 | jetscreamer | it takes a reboot |
| 07:09.49 | nsadmin | so at most as often as rebooting |
| 07:09.57 | jetscreamer | right |
| 07:10.08 | jetscreamer | sometimes it doesn't .. sometimes it does |
| 07:10.15 | jetscreamer | no idea why or what triggers it |
| 07:10.21 | Arrowmaster | does anybody know what could be causing dmraid-activate to be getting run twice every 30 minutes exactly? |
| 07:10.21 | nsadmin | is that a problem? |
| 07:10.36 | jetscreamer | it has been |
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| 07:11.02 | jetscreamer | sometimes i have to change fstab |
| 07:11.22 | jetscreamer | for the dvd's only though now.. i went pure UUID= and it's not a problem |
| 07:11.24 | th0ger | Arrowmaster: cron probaly |
| 07:11.26 | jetscreamer | for the hd's |
| 07:11.42 | jetscreamer | it will keep the box from booting w/o the UUID= |
| 07:11.54 | jetscreamer | i have to do it in menu.lst also |
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| 07:12.15 | nsadmin | so if you refer to it in fstab by /dev/disk/by-id/whatever, it protects you from the possible change on reboot? |
| 07:12.19 | ramindia1 | can some one help me getting rm -rf files in debian |
| 07:12.23 | ramindia1 | i do not have backup |
| 07:12.57 | jetscreamer | i do the UUID= ... now just for grins, i'm trying to get the dvd to where i don't have to mess with it also |
| 07:13.11 | jetscreamer | yes, it protects |
| 07:13.27 | jetscreamer | i have multiple controllers |
| 07:13.40 | th0ger | ramindia1: thats a tough one. |
| 07:13.58 | jetscreamer | if i take the addin ide one out, it's no problem |
| 07:14.01 | th0ger | ramindia1: i know you have to unmount the disk at quickly as possible |
| 07:14.05 | jetscreamer | course i lose a few disks |
| 07:14.16 | jetscreamer | hd's |
| 07:14.23 | ramindia1 | th0ger: i know.. by unmounting i can recover |
| 07:14.30 | Arrowmaster | th0ger: i cant find any cron entry thats running every 30 minutes |
| 07:15.00 | jetscreamer | if i purge udev, it's no problem either.. i gave up on purging udev though, too much crap wants it |
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| 07:17.01 | nsadmin | you say the by-id thing picks up the dvdrom? |
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| 07:17.28 | jetscreamer | if i ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ yes |
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| 07:18.27 | jetscreamer | the /by-path/ picks them both up... by-id only gets one.. but the 2nd one is borked or something, won't read any disc |
| 07:18.32 | nsadmin | ok, so would that work? or sometimes reboots make that id different? |
| 07:18.54 | jetscreamer | no, afaik the id stays the same. but mount only seems to support UUID |
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| 07:19.10 | th0ger | Arrowmaster: have you looked through all /etc/cron* files and dirs? |
| 07:19.11 | jetscreamer | and label |
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| 07:20.26 | Arrowmaster | th0ger: i looked through /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.hourly |
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| 07:21.12 | jetscreamer | it ain't no big thing, i don't hardly ever use the dvd anymore |
| 07:21.21 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: I'm going to contend that the id should work for you if you specify it thru the filesystem (aka, you say /dev/disk/by-id (or by-path) /whatever) |
| 07:21.24 | th0ger | Arrowmaster: theres also an /etc/crontab i think |
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| 07:21.35 | th0ger | Arrowmaster: ah sorry |
| 07:21.51 | nsadmin | if it doesn't, that could mean /dev/disk is not mounted by the time fstab is read? |
| 07:21.58 | th0ger | Arrowmaster: then it's prob not cron i would now guess |
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| 07:22.16 | Arrowmaster | im guessing its not either |
| 07:22.25 | jetscreamer | ah i see what you're saying i think |
| 07:22.38 | Elysium-OS | Hello, I think I found a bug in the installer on AMD64 ( expert mode ), I use 2 disks, select gpt partition, create 2 mirrors, /boot on first mirror, LVM on second, and normal partitions in LVM, only GRUB2 can work with this, as GRUB Legacy will fail, but the installer no longer gives me the GRUB2 option. |
| 07:22.47 | jetscreamer | instead of /dev/hda put /dev/disk/by-whatever/whatever ? |
| 07:22.52 | Arrowmaster | i did find a reference to a hal rule that runs dmraid-activate but i dont know why that would be triggering every 30 minutes exactly |
| 07:23.24 | dserban | ok so maybe I forgot to point out one thing... the primary group for the other user isn't media... but the user also belongs to that group... would that affect the permission to write to the directory? |
| 07:23.30 | fireba11 | Elysium-OS: why do you think grub legacy can't boot that? |
| 07:23.33 | nsadmin | jetscreamer: yes, exactly |
| 07:23.43 | jetscreamer | i'll give it a shot |
| 07:23.51 | Arrowmaster | fireba11: gpt? |
| 07:24.10 | nsadmin | and as long as /dev/disk is intact by the time it gets to that mount spec in fstab, you should be fine |
| 07:24.27 | P_Kable | Hello, anyone knows a replacement to MS Project under Linux please ? I will appreciate :-) |
| 07:24.57 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: grub Legacy installer aways fails with /boot on software raid on gpt, I did verify that in the gpt chat room yesterday |
| 07:25.16 | th0ger | P_Kable: perhaps you should tell what MS Project is :-) |
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| 07:25.37 | fireba11 | Elysium-OS: oh, missed the gpt part |
| 07:25.55 | P_Kable | th0ger: Micro$oft Project is a tool for project managers running on linux... |
| 07:26.01 | P_Kable | on windows sorry |
| 07:26.03 | nsadmin | there are so many different project mgmt apps for linux... try googling |
| 07:26.33 | ribasushi | which mini-mailer do you guys normally use on servers that are not supposed to have local mail at all (i.e. all mail from daemons will go to another smtp) |
| 07:26.40 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: Debian installer does give the option if I go for msdos partition scheme, but that is so old-fassion |
| 07:26.47 | dserban | ribasushi, nullmailer |
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| 07:27.11 | the-dude | th0ger: perhaps dot project? |
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| 07:27.43 | P_Kable | So there are some ? I jsut need to know |
| 07:27.55 | nsadmin | goooooooogle |
| 07:28.00 | P_Kable | I just got promoted :-) I have to use a good one |
| 07:28.03 | P_Kable | ok ok |
| 07:28.05 | P_Kable | thx |
| 07:28.11 | ribasushi | dserban: given your answer is the only one - you're the winner I guess |
| 07:28.13 | ribasushi | thanks :) |
| 07:28.30 | jetscreamer | scrounges around for a cd |
| 07:28.53 | fireba11 | Elysium-OS: you got any real reason not to use it? ;-) |
| 07:29.47 | jetscreamer | :( mount: special device /dev/disk/by-id/pci-0000:00:1f.1-ide-0:0 does not exist |
| 07:29.51 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: of course not, but I go with my time, and there should not be bugs like that, it bugs me ;-) |
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| 07:30.09 | dserban | ribasushi, np |
| 07:30.19 | ribasushi | Elysium-OS: for this handy-dandy GPT stuff - does one need special hardware? or any bios will boot it? |
| 07:30.39 | dserban | OK so... can someone hold my hand through something I learned in the early 90's? This is driving me batty. Permissions? wtf |
| 07:30.40 | th0ger | P_Kable: what the-dude said. |
| 07:30.54 | P_Kable | yeah I got it thx guys |
| 07:30.55 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: any bios will do, but we will soon hit the max disk limit that non gpt can do |
| 07:31.13 | ribasushi | dserban: what's the deal? |
| 07:31.20 | fireba11 | Elysium-OS: how much is that? |
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| 07:31.47 | dserban | user1 belongs to user1 group... also belongs to media group... nfs mounted share on /mnt/media, which ./media has group write and belongs to group media... user1 can't touch a file in the dir.... why not? |
| 07:32.19 | nsadmin | type groups as user1 |
| 07:32.22 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: two tebibytes |
| 07:32.58 | dserban | nsadmin, k |
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| 07:33.24 | dserban | user1 dialout cdrom sudo audio video games media |
| 07:33.53 | nsadmin | that confirms membership in media |
| 07:34.05 | dserban | aye |
| 07:34.22 | th0ger | dserban: perms for /mnt/media? |
| 07:34.27 | dserban | it's either something totally retarded that I overlooked... or something extremely sinister :) |
| 07:34.30 | ribasushi | dserban: did you re-mount the nfs share (which will cause the nfs process to re-read the perms from groups ?) |
| 07:34.37 | ribasushi | dserban: it may very well be cached statically |
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| 07:35.05 | dserban | th0ger, drwxrwxr-x 6 root media 4096 2009-09-02 17:22 media |
| 07:35.19 | jetscreamer | ah well thanks for trying nsadmin ... no biggie. |
| 07:35.20 | th0ger | dserban: cool |
| 07:35.32 | jetscreamer | waves goodbye |
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| 07:35.41 | dserban | ribasushi, I have. I've restarted portmap, nfs-kernel-server, nfs-common on the server... I've also restarted portmap and nfs-common on the client. |
| 07:35.48 | Elysium-OS | fireba11: you know where I can file that bug? |
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| 07:36.14 | ribasushi | dserban: how about ls -l .../media/. |
| 07:36.20 | th0ger | dserban: can root touch? |
| 07:36.46 | dserban | th0ger, yep, so can any users on the nfs server that also belong to that group |
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| 07:37.00 | dserban | ribasushi, que? |
| 07:37.19 | ribasushi | dserban: I mean get into the dir itself, and get the permissions of . |
| 07:37.28 | ribasushi | they can get out of sync on weird mounts |
| 07:37.31 | dserban | k sec |
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| 07:37.57 | ribasushi | dserban: "can't touch this! tum-tedudum..." :D |
| 07:38.03 | dserban | drwxrwxr-x 6 root media 4096 2009-09-02 17:22 . |
| 07:38.08 | dserban | hah |
| 07:38.13 | dserban | drivin' me nuts |
| 07:38.27 | th0ger | dserban: mount |grep media says? |
| 07:38.38 | th0ger | ribasushi: lol |
| 07:38.44 | dserban | 192.168.0.2:/srv/media on /mnt/media type nfs (rw,noatime,addr=192.168.0.2) |
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| 07:40.35 | th0ger | dserban: out of ideas, sry |
| 07:40.43 | ribasushi | dserban: how does server side look? |
| 07:40.51 | ribasushi | dserban: i.t. ls /srv/media |
| 07:41.14 | ribasushi | I wonder if your guids are out of sync and this is driving it nuts |
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| 07:42.19 | dserban | ribasushi, drwxrwxr-x 6 root media 4.0K 2009-09-02 17:22 media/ |
| 07:42.39 | ribasushi | dserban: right find out if the guid of media matches the guid of media on the client |
| 07:42.43 | dserban | that's me in /srv/ ls -ld media |
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| 07:43.16 | dserban | getent group media -- media:x:1024: <-- on server |
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| 07:43.45 | dserban | getent group media -- media:x:1024:user1 <-- on client |
| 07:44.01 | ribasushi | dserban: I'm out of ideas too |
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| 07:44.08 | dserban | hah crap ! |
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| 07:44.30 | dserban | Well thanks much for your attempts guys... I don't get it myself. |
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| 07:45.14 | dserban | Is there some kind of logging I can turn on? or... hrrm something more verbose than "permission denied"? |
| 07:45.32 | fireba11 | Elysium-OS: i'd try filing a bug against d-i |
| 07:45.56 | wols | good morning. got a problem: after using netstat -tanp|grep LIST I have a tcp listener 45935 which has no associated ID or process shown. How can I find out which prcess owns this open port? |
| 07:46.24 | wols | a tcp listener at port 45935 that is |
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| 07:49.28 | silidan | what was the name of the package i have to install to get 3d acceleration with an ati mobility 9000 in a laptop? |
| 07:51.10 | jetscreamer | firmware-linux ? |
| 07:51.25 | cydork | wols: does fuser -n tcp 45935 show anything?? |
| 07:51.29 | jetscreamer | i had to, but it's an x300 |
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| 07:51.41 | th0ger | dserban: btw have you looked through /var/log? |
| 07:52.04 | jetscreamer | only took 1/2 a year for somebody to tell me |
| 07:52.06 | dserban | th0ger, yeah I have |
| 07:52.43 | silidan | jetscreamer: thanks thats it |
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| 07:53.04 | wols | cydork: unfortunately no |
| 07:53.05 | dserban | thing is... if I'm not user1... I can write to the dir |
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| 07:53.17 | dserban | so if I'm dserban... I can do it from the client |
| 07:53.25 | dserban | oh shit |
| 07:53.34 | cydork | wols: are you sure the state is in LISTEN |
| 07:53.36 | dserban | user1 doesn't exist on the server... |
| 07:53.41 | dserban | blushes |
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| 07:53.55 | th0ger | dserban: goood morning |
| 07:54.05 | dserban | scurries away and uses some idiotic excuse like "I need coffee" |
| 07:54.11 | dserban | heh |
| 07:54.29 | wols | cydork: now it's gone :( |
| 07:54.40 | dserban | oh wait... yeah user1 exists... |
| 07:54.42 | dserban | oops |
| 07:54.51 | wols | but I _was_ sure. where the usual ÃPID/rocessname was there only was a "-" |
| 07:54.59 | jetscreamer | i'd tell the bot to lart you but i'm too tired :) |
| 07:55.13 | dserban | but the main group that user1 belongs to on the server is different than what's on the client |
| 07:55.16 | dserban | would that matter? |
| 07:55.22 | cydork | wols: thats fine if the state is LAST_ACK |
| 07:55.46 | wols | I used grep LIST so I know it wasn't anything but LISTENING |
| 07:56.02 | wols | looked for a local non forwarded listener to test my openvpn config |
| 07:56.14 | wols | the thing is, the router has no portforward for the port in question |
| 07:56.33 | wols | so even if it's a baddie, it's no use |
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| 07:57.17 | cydork | wols: hmm strange.. |
| 07:58.03 | wonderboy | i use ifup and ifdown for connecting with router. Disconnections are so often here due to power cut. Whats the best way to auto-reconnect? |
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| 07:59.41 | dserban | hmmm now i'm just walking myself in circles... i just don't get it |
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| 08:02.58 | mhymn | wonderboy: /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 08:03.07 | mhymn | or man dhclient... |
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| 08:04.36 | wonderboy | mhymn: i want to make it automatically reconnect if the network goes down.. |
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| 08:04.51 | wonderboy | just installed ifplugd and reading its man |
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| 08:09.39 | wonderboy | ifplugd seems to be the thing.. /me goes offline for testing it.. |
| 08:10.06 | jetscreamer | looks around for nastyman |
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| 08:14.21 | mick_laptop | anyone here use gocr? i have some black text in a common font (i think helvetica or something) and i'd like to improve the conversion. Anyone know or any tweaks that I should change? ATM I just do `gocr -i scanned_doc.jpg -o scanned_doc.txt` and i see that there are a bunch of wacky conversions where it really should have worked |
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| 08:17.16 | mick_laptop | what do these options do: http://jocr.sourceforge.net/scr_option.gif ? |
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| 08:17.28 | mick_laptop | they just don't tell me much :) |
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| 08:18.06 | mick_laptop | pretty quiet in here... |
| 08:18.33 | daniele_982 | hello all how i cand send a mail with attacchment? i've read the man and says -a but it's not work |
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| 08:19.24 | daniele_982 | i've try also with uuencode but nothing |
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| 08:21.30 | mick_laptop | daniele_982: http://www.uaex.edu/bknox/email_with_attachment.htm |
| 08:21.53 | Kazuha | Anyone got advice for recovering data from a drive that (probably) suffered a headcrash? |
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| 08:22.51 | mick_laptop | daniele_982: even easier: ( cat mesgfile ; uuencode Test.dat Test.dat ) | mailx -s 'my subject' your@email.com |
| 08:22.59 | mick_laptop | but that is w/ mailx |
| 08:23.02 | mick_laptop | not mail |
| 08:23.03 | daniele_982 | mick_laptop: i've try with mail -s "Message with Attachment" bknox@uaex.edu < hello.txt but there's attachment |
| 08:23.18 | mick_laptop | daniele_982: can you use mailx? |
| 08:23.22 | daniele_982 | no mail |
| 08:23.23 | mick_laptop | it is so much easier |
| 08:23.38 | mick_laptop | it is most likely on your box already |
| 08:23.59 | lex_ | does anyone know of time calculator that I can use to give me the value of this in the same format? 00:19:02 - 00:10:06 |
| 08:24.31 | mick_laptop | daniele_982: for mail you need to uuencode the attachment and then cat the message+attachment together etc etc... it sucks |
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| 08:25.40 | radoe | daniele_982: standard mail and mailx simply can not produce MIME attachements themself. |
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| 08:25.57 | cretsiah | after installing a new unformatted hd, how do i make it usable/seeable ? is it create mountpoint /dev/sdb or something? |
| 08:26.43 | mick_laptop | Kazuha: what kind of data? |
| 08:26.47 | Kazuha | General -- text to video. |
| 08:26.51 | daniele_982 | mick_laptop: ( cat mesgfile ; uuencode Test.dat Test.dat ) | mailx -s 'my subject' your@email.com --------what's messagefile? |
| 08:26.53 | mick_laptop | lex_: just format the time after doing the calculation |
| 08:27.09 | Kazuha | Also, a vestigial OS, but that I wouldn't really miss. |
| 08:27.13 | lex_ | I can do it from the commaniline pretty sure but not sure how to do it |
| 08:27.27 | mick_laptop | daniele_982: it is the body of the email... you know "hey how are you? did you see this blah blah" |
| 08:27.37 | radoe | daniele_982: the mailx variant in Lenny is an enhanced variant, which indeed supports -a for attachements, but this is a nonstandard feature. |
| 08:27.46 | mick_laptop | lex_: man date |
| 08:27.51 | lex_ | yep |
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| 08:28.27 | mick_laptop | radoe: if he is writing a shell script, it is a bad idea to let him do that ;) (not exactly portable) |
| 08:28.45 | Kazuha | The video and textual data is most important to me. |
| 08:28.56 | mick_laptop | anyone here know the answer to my gocr issue? ;) |
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| 08:29.20 | radoe | mick_laptop: depends on the environment his script is targeted at. |
| 08:29.27 | mick_laptop | Kazuha: video i can't help you with but the text data might be recoverable... is it ASCII text? |
| 08:29.33 | mick_laptop | radoe: sure |
| 08:29.37 | Kazuha | ASCII. |
| 08:29.40 | lex_ | radoe you correct |
| 08:29.47 | mick_laptop | Kazuha: testdisk |
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| 08:29.57 | mick_laptop | video doesn't work though |
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| 08:30.03 | Kazuha | The disk (when I tried) caused the system to seize up in boot. |
| 08:30.09 | mick_laptop | they claim it does, but it doesn't |
| 08:30.28 | mick_laptop | use a live cd |
| 08:30.30 | Kazuha | (So I've disconnected it, and am waiting until later to actually try recovering the data.) |
| 08:30.35 | mick_laptop | and it might not work at all |
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| 08:30.59 | mick_laptop | Kazuha: it takes time to recover data, factor in if it is worth it |
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| 08:31.28 | Kazuha | I don't even know if any of the data *can* be recovered. |
| 08:31.42 | Kazuha | I just took stock of which partitions were involved. |
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| 08:32.35 | Kazuha | Which included, where I store disk images, where I store video data while editing, where I store data leftover from when I used DOS, and the vestigial MSOS install. |
| 08:33.15 | mick_laptop | i've never heard someone refer to an OS as "vestigial" |
| 08:33.30 | mick_laptop | i've heard of a vestigial tail... but an OS? ;) |
| 08:33.49 | Kazuha | It is when the entire space allocated to it is 30 gigs on a system with close to 2 terabytes. |
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| 08:37.33 | Kazuha | The last time I had a dying drive, I was able to get about 60-80% of the data off, just with cp, but this time I care more about the data involved. |
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| 08:41.27 | mick_laptop | oh man i know my problem |
| 08:41.38 | mick_laptop | gocr has issues w/ serif fonts - "yay" |
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| 08:44.19 | mick_laptop | i'm going to enjoy proof reading these 200 pages that i just scanned in |
| 08:44.22 | mick_laptop | *sigh* |
| 08:44.54 | mick_laptop | anyone know of another ocr for linux? |
| 08:44.54 | lex_ | nick_laptop: thanks for the help I ended up using this http://unstableme.blogspot.com/2009/01/convert-seconds-to-hour-minute-seconds.html' |
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| 08:47.06 | fredl | *sigh* why is Eclipse/Java development still so horrendously inadequate on Debian. |
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| 08:48.00 | fredl | the eclipse package should really just be a package that does "echo 'Eclipse Installation is best done manually, PERIOD'" |
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| 08:48.31 | fredl | it's out of date, it's not working. |
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| 08:49.01 | fredl | anyway </rant> |
| 08:50.07 | jelly | fredl: welcome to Debian! |
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| 08:51.40 | themill | fredl: If eclipse weren't such a stinking pile of mess in its upstream form, it wouldn't have got this bad in debian; it's being worked on and 3.5 should hit sid RSN. |
| 08:52.04 | phidah | I get a permission denied error when trying to connect via SFTP. How do I enable it? The user is a valid system user |
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| 08:52.35 | jelly | themill: that rsn has been on about 2-3 years now :-| |
| 08:53.17 | jelly | phidah: does the user have a valid shell? |
| 08:53.30 | themill | jelly: no, no-one has been working on it for about that long because eclipse upstream is too hard to work with. The guys in #debian-java now have mostly-working packages of eclipse and are testing them and polishing them. |
| 08:53.33 | jelly | phidah: can they log in in an interactive ssh session? |
| 08:53.48 | phidah | yes, I can log in via a ssh shell |
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| 08:54.20 | jelly | phidah: does sftp work for anyone else, and is it enabled in sshd_config? |
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| 08:54.37 | phidah | where is sshd_config located? |
| 08:54.44 | jelly | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:54.44 | fredl | themill - I've manually installed 3.5 in my homedirectory several times before. Works like a charm when the Sun JDK is installed. |
| 08:54.58 | themill | fredl: that's different to debian being able to provide a package of it |
| 08:55.06 | themill | fredl: didn't we recently have this conversation? |
| 08:55.31 | fredl | themill, nope, I don't think we did. |
| 08:55.38 | fredl | themill - but it's been a petpeeve of mine for several years so it's not something recent. |
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| 08:55.56 | jirka | hello all, is it possible to place notification area on desktop in gnome please? (i mean off the panel) |
| 08:56.05 | phidah | only thing about sftp in the config file is "Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server" |
| 08:56.12 | jelly | phidah: that is it. |
| 08:56.22 | SparFux | Hi all. Anybody got experience with "storebackup" ? Long time ago I encountered this package and thought of using it. It seems like the "way-to-go" backup solution for me. Are there good experiences with it? |
| 08:56.24 | jelly | phidah: does /usr/libexec/sftp-server exist? |
| 08:56.35 | fredl | themill, and I can perfectly well make some distinctions, I love Debian, but throughout the years one has to conclude that Java development and Debian just don't mingle very well. |
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| 08:56.43 | phidah | no |
| 08:56.43 | jelly | phidah: was this config file copied from some non-Debian system? |
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| 08:57.00 | phidah | jelly: nope, it worked before, but I can apt-get upgrade and it stopped working |
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| 08:57.13 | jelly | phidah: I strongly doubt it worked before. |
| 08:57.15 | fredl | ofcourse... Java development doesn't only hinge on having Eclipse or not. |
| 08:57.27 | phidah | jelly: I just used it 30 mins ago |
| 08:57.39 | themill | fredl: the java ecosystem doesn't understand source distribution. They think that providing a jar is enough for people and this makes doing anything with java when you care about freedom difficult. (that's ignoring Sun's antics with "freeing" java) |
| 08:57.50 | jelly | phidah: what's the changetime on that config file? |
| 08:58.17 | jelly | phidah: which debian release are you using? dpkg -l libc6 openssh-server | tail -2 |
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| 08:58.44 | phidah | lenny |
| 08:58.45 | phidah | ii libc6 2.9-26 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:58.45 | phidah | ii openssh-server 1:5.1p1-7 secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
| 08:58.48 | jelly | phidah: in short, fix the path to sftp-server file, restart the service |
| 08:59.15 | fredl | themill - I agree to a point. I think the Java ecosystem does distribution *differently* and it's hard to combine with Debian packaging. |
| 08:59.17 | phidah | there is something in /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 08:59.19 | jelly | also, "don't use unstable in production" |
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| 09:00.20 | fredl | themill - anyway... it's a shame IMO. I need to set up an Android development environment (the Java one, not the native one) and it's just not an easy thing to do on Debian. |
| 09:00.29 | themill | fredl: some of it that comes from C-like roots is packaged up quite nicely. But there's too much java stuff out there where the upstream authors just simply don't understand the GPL and the requirements of it when they release their sources. |
| 09:01.19 | themill | fredl: it shouldn't be too bad... a combination of installing things from debian and installing things directly into /usr/local will be fine |
| 09:01.25 | phidah | jelly: changed the path, it works :) thanks |
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| 09:01.50 | fredl | themill - *nod* like I said, when you do a manual install of Eclipse and the ADK it's very well doable. |
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| 09:02.45 | fredl | themill - hence my initial remark that the Debian eclipse package should probably "echo 'Do this manually'" :-) |
| 09:03.19 | ptman | Hi! I'm trying to use dpatch to add a patch to a package, but it produces a 1437 line patch while the changes I'm doing are in a 123 line patch |
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| 09:06.02 | themill | fredl: if you want to help, /join #debian-java on oftc... I'm sure nthykier, blackxored and bdrung_ would welcome your assistance. |
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| 09:06.57 | fredl | themill - I've heard 'oftc' being mentioned here before, what issit? |
| 09:07.40 | themill | !oftc |
| 09:07.40 | dpkg | well, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 09:07.56 | fredl | ah okay. |
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| 09:15.20 | neonoe_ | I have a testing box, since last update xserver does not respond. Any idea ? |
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| 09:15.20 | neonoe_ | (whereas grub 2 is working very well) |
| 09:15.20 | mick_laptop | did you try turning it off and on again? |
| 09:15.20 | mick_laptop | -- the IT Crowd |
| 09:15.20 | mick_laptop | :D |
| 09:15.21 | neonoe_ | /etc/init.d/x11-common restart ? |
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| 09:15.21 | Xunie | Sometimes (as in: on Lenny I get this problem with aptitude/apt-get update, Cannot initiate the connection to volatile.debian.org:80 (2001:610:1908:a000::149:227). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) |
| 09:15.22 | Xunie | I don't want to disable ipv6, so what is the Debian(TM) way to do it? |
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| 09:15.23 | neonoe_ | Xunie: blacklist the module ? |
| 09:15.46 | jelly | "he doesn't want to disable ipv6" |
| 09:16.44 | neonoe_ | how yeah |
| 09:17.35 | svenx | Xunie: there's /etc/gai.conf .. looked it? |
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| 09:21.10 | jelly | not until debian keeps guessing wrong about availability of an ipv6 route(r) |
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| 09:22.48 | jelly | Xunie: I cannot test this, but you might be interested in uncommenting the last line in |
| 09:22.54 | jelly | # For sites which prefer IPv4 connections change the last line to |
| 09:22.54 | jelly | # |
| 09:22.54 | jelly | #precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 |
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| 09:39.46 | movieguy | does anyone talk in this evil hole? |
| 09:39.59 | liable | !talk like a pirate |
| 09:39.59 | dpkg | No, nay, ne'er I be doing that! |
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| 09:41.33 | movieguy | dpkg, we love you |
| 09:41.34 | dpkg | Shame, I hate non-bots. |
| 09:41.35 | movieguy | stay strong friend |
| 09:41.35 | liable | !love movieguy |
| 09:41.35 | dpkg | makes love to movieguy, caressing movieguy's hair, whispering sweet nothings in movieguy's ear... |
| 09:42.28 | movieguy | go away, i hate you--you're ugly |
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| 09:48.40 | liable | sheesh, tis a bit quiet.. |
| 09:48.44 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:48.44 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
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| 09:52.04 | Xunie | !talk harr |
| 09:52.08 | Xunie | !talk like a pirate |
| 09:52.08 | dpkg | No, nay, ne'er I be doing that! |
| 09:52.11 | Xunie | harr |
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| 10:00.15 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:00.15 | dpkg | <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced <Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
| 10:00.50 | liable | heh, where is that grumpy bastard these days.. |
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| 10:01.10 | jelly | !seen jm_ |
| 10:01.10 | dpkg | jm_ <flier@mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48m 3s ago, saying: 'compiz, but why google? debian has it'. |
| 10:01.22 | jelly | ENETWORK |
| 10:01.22 | g00se | What does the following indicate? It happens at regular intervals followed by its reverse (in range): eth1: New link status: AP Out of Range (0004) |
| 10:01.24 | liable | must be oftc |
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| 10:02.02 | liable | g00se: are you moving the laptop? otherwise the driver or ap is a bit flaky. |
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| 10:03.53 | g00se | liable: No it's stationary. The messages are weird. It's almost as if there's a timer turning the AP on and off. The off messages have the same timestamp as the on. Each pair occur at ~ 1 min intervals |
| 10:04.30 | liable | g00se: does the ap log show anything? is it the ap or card? |
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| 10:05.24 | the-dude | where do I ask question about preseed configs? |
| 10:05.32 | g00se | liable: Well i'll see if i can turn on logging at the AP. It's a DLink 2640R |
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| 10:05.51 | liable | the-dude: here. there is an appendix to the install manual with some info and examples too. |
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| 10:08.18 | fen_ | Anyone know is the the stock debian stable kernel xen host capable or is there a seperate kernel needed? |
| 10:08.22 | the-dude | liable: yeah I am able to preseed computers, but I have one problem, it doesn't seem to set the given hostname |
| 10:08.36 | liable | fen_: there are xen kernels |
| 10:08.51 | liable | though i'm not really sure what role they are for.. |
| 10:09.25 | liable | the-dude: i think thats a bug in netcfg. i think i recall reading about that. check bts for netcfg |
| 10:09.25 | fen_ | are you running a default debian kernel, look for /proc/xen |
| 10:09.39 | the-dude | liable: :'( nooooos |
| 10:09.48 | liable | fen_: dont have it |
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| 10:10.10 | fen_ | ok thanks. |
| 10:10.43 | the-dude | liable: thanks you :) |
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| 10:11.03 | DeeTah | which debian package contains openssh? |
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| 10:11.18 | DeeTah | i mean, the openssh binary program. |
| 10:11.30 | liable | Ozzy_: theres two, one for client, one for server. aptitude search openssh |
| 10:11.43 | jelly | Who's Ozzy? |
| 10:11.51 | linuxguy | is there a command i can type here so that ppl can see my xorg.conf file or should i pastebin it?..i want somebody to show me how to edit the file to force a 1280x1024 re pls |
| 10:11.54 | DeeTah | liable: i mean openssh encryption-decryption app :p |
| 10:11.59 | liable | oops |
| 10:12.09 | jelly | DeeTah: do you mean "openssl"? |
| 10:12.13 | DeeTah | right! |
| 10:12.22 | DeeTah | thanks ;) |
| 10:12.54 | liable | how the fuck did i nicktab ozzy? o is nowhere near D .. |
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| 10:13.40 | liable | brain needs a reboot.. |
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| 10:19.00 | flower | if a driver is compiled as module (in kernel) does the device works out of the box? |
| 10:19.39 | Hobbes` | flower depends on the device/driver . but it mostly should |
| 10:19.48 | flower | ok |
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| 10:23.13 | visof | hello i added ntfs fs to /etc/fstab , and mount it to /mnt/b , i can't do copy paste to that fs |
| 10:23.25 | visof | get operation isn't permited |
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| 10:23.30 | visof | what should i do |
| 10:23.34 | visof | ? |
| 10:23.57 | joltcan | visof: you should look into ntfs-3g |
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| 10:24.25 | joltcan | visof: the built-in kernel ntfs support is not that great |
| 10:24.25 | g00se | liable: There's very little in the router log - nothing sinister-looking either. Could that indicate the card? |
| 10:24.25 | visof | /dev/hda2 /mnt/b ntfs defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=0,umask=002 0 0, that what i added |
| 10:24.36 | joltcan | visof: read my lines again |
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| 10:26.07 | Crypticfortune | lets say that gdm is currently running on tty7 on box foo, and me from box bar wants to remotely take over tty7 or some visible console to run some arbitrary x apps on foo's screen, without actually sitting down at that console. how could i go about that? |
| 10:26.12 | liable | g00se: yep. what brand is it? |
| 10:26.50 | g00se | liable: It's meant to be a good one too ;-) Orinoco Gold |
| 10:26.51 | liable | g00se: you could try the latest wireless stuff, go have a look at linuxwireless.org |
| 10:26.55 | visof | joltcan i installed ntfs-3g right now |
| 10:27.07 | liable | oh, shit, thats an old well tested one :) |
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| 10:27.14 | demon_ | hallo |
| 10:27.29 | demon_ | can anyone help me with linux-image-2.6.30.5 i cant install it because it's allready installed but i can't install anything thunderbird vbox gcc because it requires this image to be installed.. but when i try to install it.. it's allready there! |
| 10:27.35 | g00se | liable: It wouldn't work with WPA so i had to resort to WEP on the AP |
| 10:27.35 | visof | is there something should i change in the line i added to fstab joltcan |
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| 10:27.43 | visof | ? |
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| 10:28.17 | liable | g00se: i'm not sure if they have rewritten that driver for mac80211, go have a look at that site I said. some of those old cards only support a/b |
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| 10:28.56 | Crypticfortune | visof: to load it with ntfs-3g, you have to change ntfs to ntfs-3g...that may be obvious, but just in case.... |
| 10:28.59 | g00se | liable: What's mac80211? |
| 10:29.02 | joltcan | visof: No, ntfs-3g is a totally different command, and is not used by fstab |
| 10:29.16 | liable | g00se: the new wireless stack in the kernel |
| 10:29.34 | joltcan | visof: you use it like this: ntfs-3g /dev/sdXN /mountpoint |
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| 10:30.03 | g00se | liable: Ah thanks. Could there be a driver with a different name? That would be good. orinoco_cs is old |
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| 10:30.27 | liable | g00se: yep, go to that site i said, it has a compatability page |
| 10:30.36 | Crypticfortune | joltcan: *blinks* i know it's FUSE based, but you can use it via "mount -t ntfs-3g". does it really not work from fstab? |
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| 10:30.37 | liable | in the users section iirc |
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| 10:30.49 | Crypticfortune | doesn't have an ntfs drive nearby to test, but... |
| 10:30.50 | visof | joltcan what about permissions, same ? |
| 10:31.10 | g00se | liable: Thanks. Looking |
| 10:31.19 | valdyn | ntfs-3g works *fine* via fstab |
| 10:31.43 | valdyn | visof: ntfs-3g is your only option to have write support to ntfs filesystems anyway |
| 10:31.47 | visof | joltcan http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 |
| 10:32.08 | visof | /dev/<your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 |
| 10:32.15 | visof | it's in that page |
| 10:32.17 | joltcan | valdyn: awesume! |
| 10:32.26 | liable | awesome* |
| 10:32.28 | joltcan | visof: Yeah, that wold work |
| 10:32.40 | liable | /pedant :) |
| 10:33.05 | joltcan | liable: taht'z f1ne ;) |
| 10:33.06 | visof | joltcan should restart after this ? |
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| 10:33.20 | joltcan | visof: no, just "mount /mount/<mount point> |
| 10:33.23 | joltcan | " |
| 10:33.33 | liable | or mount -a if its in fstab |
| 10:33.57 | pav5088 | Does anyone use approx for apt caching? I want to know how to use it with non-standard apt sources eg. deb server.com/path ./ |
| 10:33.59 | joltcan | I tend to more like to specify the mountpoint to have better control of it |
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| 10:35.35 | valdyn | pav5088: server.com/path part goes into approx.conf, the ./ is up to your sources.list |
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| 10:37.16 | pav5088 | valdyn, yes, I would think this would work fine, but I get a 403 forbidden |
| 10:37.34 | pav5088 | valdyn, with all the other repositories I use it's fine. |
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| 10:38.41 | liable | that sounds like an httpd or dir perms issue, not approx |
| 10:41.22 | pav5088 | liable, the source repo is accessible... and approx works for other repos. This IS in squeeze though, so I'll check to see if anything weird is happening. |
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| 10:46.32 | pav5088 | liable, valdyn : OK... an approxd restart was required... Sorry for the stupid question. |
| 10:46.43 | liable | heh |
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| 10:47.27 | pav5088 | I've only tried apt-cacher-ng before, but I had strange resets. |
| 10:47.37 | pav5088 | ...or hangs rather |
| 10:47.42 | liable | reprepro is ok too |
| 10:48.02 | pav5088 | So far approx hasn't behaved strangely. |
| 10:48.08 | liable | i switched to that for some reason, some shortcoming in approx.. |
| 10:48.12 | pav5088 | (Haven't used it much yet though) |
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| 10:48.30 | pav5088 | I've noticed apt-get update is slower with approx. |
| 10:49.09 | pav5088 | Perhaps ng caches package files also? |
| 10:49.30 | pav5088 | From what I see approx doesn't do this by default. |
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| 10:49.44 | pav5088 | Perhaps this could have been my issue with ng. |
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| 10:59.10 | valdyn | pav5088: approx does cache package files |
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| 11:01.17 | fen_ | exit |
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| 11:01.39 | JyZyXEL | xrandr isn't giving me the correct resolutions, how do i force a correct resolution? |
| 11:01.48 | JyZyXEL | DVI-0 connected 1152x864+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm |
| 11:01.50 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.52 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.58 | JyZyXEL | this is a 1280x1024 display |
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| 11:10.24 | scream_ | hi! what is the debian way to get iceweasel3.5 on testing? |
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| 11:13.28 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
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| 11:13.57 | dboehmer | i want to try debian testing for my desktop system |
| 11:14.09 | dboehmer | is there any kind of netinst image for testing? |
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| 11:14.24 | dboehmer | i did only find weekly builds with a set of dozen CD images |
| 11:14.36 | dboehmer | i don't want to download tons of GB |
| 11:14.45 | petemc | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:14.50 | dboehmer | can i install testing with the ordinary netinst cd?? |
| 11:15.22 | th0ger | I use mutt but has never been satisfied with how it handles html. Any ideas on the best way to open/handle html from mutt. Or an alternative fast mailreader similar to mutt (must support imap). |
| 11:15.54 | twomashu | emacs+gnus |
| 11:15.56 | petemc | th0ger: ~/.mailcap entries |
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| 11:16.20 | JyZyXEL | i think my mutt uses links2 to open html |
| 11:16.31 | petemc | th0ger: http://pastie.org/628771 |
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| 11:16.43 | rmrfchik | hm, can I trace syscalls from gdb as strace does? |
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| 11:17.32 | demon_ | hyia |
| 11:17.50 | demon_ | broken linux meta package help ? |
| 11:17.59 | fireba11 | demon_: be specific |
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| 11:20.53 | th0ger | petemc: thanks should i use links or links2? |
| 11:21.04 | petemc | thats up to you |
| 11:21.14 | th0ger | petemc: differences? |
| 11:21.37 | petemc | one is the successor to the other |
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| 11:23.28 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. Someone know how I change the "file association" for "folder"? I add many associations and now dont have how remove... |
| 11:24.14 | inckie | anyone knows an install guide for using huwei e220 modem both for internet and 3g in a debian shell? |
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| 11:25.21 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: maybe use a modeline in xorg.conf? man cvt |
| 11:25.47 | EduardeCalibal | Inckie, try this "http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigo/Configurando-o-TIM-WEB-HUAWEI-E220/" |
| 11:25.48 | xeon-enouf | linmodems.org? |
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| 11:26.37 | JyZyXEL | in which section do i stick the modeline? |
| 11:26.48 | xeon-enouf | man xorg.conf |
| 11:27.37 | th0ger | JyZyXEL: what is your mailcap entry for links2? |
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| 11:28.50 | JyZyXEL | no idea it was automagical |
| 11:28.57 | th0ger | JyZyXEL: ok |
| 11:28.58 | JyZyXEL | i just figured it uses the alternative system |
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| 11:29.14 | xeon-enouf | rmrfchik: maybe ask in ##kernel ? |
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| 11:30.39 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: if JyZyXEL is correct, then it should use whatever 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' has set as default - you know there's a #mutt here, right? |
| 11:31.35 | th0ger | will ask in mutt next time |
| 11:32.11 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: not that it's 'ot' for here, just thought more people there might know specifics ;-) |
| 11:33.06 | th0ger | xeon-enouf: i know. update-alternatives will change default browser for everything. I only want to change it for mail, not browsing |
| 11:33.09 | JyZyXEL | 'update-alternatives --config www-browser' for console web browser |
| 11:33.38 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: point, th0ger ok |
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| 11:35.39 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: as petemc mentioned then |
| 11:36.32 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: /msg dpkg links2 (for some info - basically 2 has a GUI mode, even in Console, i use it for my main browser) |
| 11:36.34 | th0ger | xeon-enouf: thanks, it works |
| 11:36.48 | th0ger | xeon-enouf: cool |
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| 11:37.59 | th0ger | xeon-enouf: what do you think of lynx then? compared to links2 |
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| 11:41.56 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: it's primitive ;-) |
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| 11:42.35 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: lynx has no gui mode, afaict - also there's w3m if all you want is a text browser |
| 11:42.55 | xeon-enouf | there's elinks, and others as well |
| 11:43.31 | xeon-enouf | th0ger: $ apt-cache search www-browser |
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| 11:43.57 | th0ger | xeon-enouf: ill give em a try. bye |
| 11:44.13 | xeon-enouf | (though i see that command also grabbing the x-www-browser ones as well) |
| 11:44.24 | EduardeCalibal | I solved my problem. Cya guys. |
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| 11:46.18 | verblendet | hi, if i set up a cronjob as root, MAILTO="someaddress" and */5 * * * * somecommand, it is not executed, must i enable something? |
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| 11:46.48 | user1_ | sorry |
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| 11:47.19 | user1_ | what's the pastebin url? |
| 11:47.28 | verblendet | www.pastebin.com maybe |
| 11:47.35 | xeon-enouf | !paste |
| 11:47.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 11:47.51 | user1_ | thanks |
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| 11:49.57 | radoe | verblendet: Check /var/log/syslog if it tries to execute the job, check mailbox for "someaddress" for messages (if somecommand produces output), check your maillogs if the mail got send. |
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| 11:50.34 | verblendet | radoe, all done, no mails send out, no syslog entry |
| 11:50.45 | verblendet | seems it simply ignores cronjobs from root, wtf? :O |
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| 11:51.36 | radoe | verblendet: how did you configure the job? crontab -e or did you place it in one of the crontabs/dirs in /etc? |
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| 11:52.30 | ignotus | hello, how can I get firefox 3.5? Debian seems to only contain 3.0.14 |
| 11:52.31 | radoe | verblendet: ah, and btw - cron is running? |
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| 11:52.35 | verblendet | crontab -e |
| 11:53.17 | matt7676 | I am trying to write a script under Debian, but I am stuck with one problem: Is it possible to get web-page, which requires authentication, using curl over https? I mean something like "curl username password https://url.com"? |
| 11:53.35 | verblendet | ah1 oh! uh! now it does it..... erm, wtf? it seems if root sets up a cronjob, it takes a 'few minutes' until it is executed..... |
| 11:53.45 | verblendet | never had that on my old machines, hmmm, weird |
| 11:54.30 | verblendet | i installed cronjob 20 minutes ago, and now it executes the first time, but i said */5 |
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| 11:55.42 | verblendet | 13:25:33 lili crontab[12937]: (root) END EDIT (root) -- versus -- 13:54:01 lili /USR/SBIN/CRON[21450]: (root) CMD (/root/scr/...) |
| 11:56.22 | verblendet | radoe, thx f. your attention |
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| 11:56.54 | ignotus | ahh, I see iceweasel 3.5 in experimental |
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| 12:00.00 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 12:01.05 | apt_get | I had a Debian lenny last week, and in fstab I configure encfs#/mydocs... In Gnome i Can mount it without any problem, and the folder is listed in devices settings |
| 12:01.36 | apt_get | yesterday, I installed debian SQUEEZE, and the device dont appears more in graphical way... like in device settings |
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| 12:02.54 | apt_get | I cant understand why this happens, because I have do the same way in a other debian(lenny) and it works |
| 12:03.16 | apt_get | I dont want everytime enter in a console to mount the crypt folder |
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| 12:08.24 | xeon-enouf | apt_get: try gnome-volume-properties or gconf-editor or gconftool-2? ; /msg dpkg gnome ; /msg dpkg automount |
| 12:08.31 | elt0n | hey everybody, im trying to compile the iconv lib under mac os, but i'm searching for the unix command to show which arch was build into the lib.. (e.g. ppc i386 64bit) |
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| 12:09.46 | elt0n | ok got it randomly it was file |
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| 12:09.49 | xeon-enouf | elt0n: maybe 'file /path/to/lib' ? or libname --version or -v? |
| 12:10.00 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 12:10.47 | apt_get | xeon-enouf: gnome-volume-manager its the package, I will test it, really thanks |
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| 12:11.13 | xeon-enouf | apt_get: squeeze is still 'testing' for a reason ;-) |
| 12:11.24 | apt_get | : ) |
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| 12:11.40 | apt_get | And I want to contribute |
| 12:11.52 | xeon-enouf | !rc bugs |
| 12:11.53 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
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| 12:12.10 | valdyn | apt_get: after lenny many things in gnome use polkit for permission control |
| 12:12.36 | xeon-enouf | wtf? it's not even named policykit? |
| 12:12.51 | valdyn | apt_get: im not sure thats related to what youre seeing but thats the largest under-the-hood change anyway, try running polkit-gnome-authorization |
| 12:13.06 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: i dont know how its named |
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| 12:13.07 | apt_get | ok |
| 12:13.38 | valdyn | apt_get: dbus access control is what this is |
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| 12:13.59 | apt_get | I need to read more about dbus. |
| 12:14.10 | valdyn | apt_get: not really |
| 12:14.13 | xeon-enouf | ok valdyn FWIW $ apt-cache search ^policykit |
| 12:14.32 | valdyn | heh |
| 12:14.34 | valdyn | yea |
| 12:14.37 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 12:14.51 | valdyn | !dbus |
| 12:14.52 | dpkg | well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or see channel #dbus, do; dpkg -L dbus | grep doc ; dpkg -l dbus-* (try "apt-cache show dbus-1-doc" maybe) and "locate dbus | grep html" |
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| 12:15.16 | xeon-enouf | apt_get: seems there's doc pkgs for gnome specifically in my search |
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| 12:16.00 | xeon-enouf | is dbus-1 dead and buried now finally? |
| 12:16.11 | apt_get | hmmm |
| 12:16.29 | xeon-enouf | nope; dbus-1-doc - simple interprocess messaging system (documentation) |
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| 12:22.57 | ale_ryu | hey guys, I'm having an issue with etch here, I had kernel 2.6.18 installed on a server, but uname -r said 2.6.26 :| . After updating without any errors to 2.6.30-1 through dpkg and rebooting, uname -r still says 2.6.26. This is a remote server, is there any chance that this is being caused because someone removed a kernel 2.6.26 improperly? And one more thing: Any tips on how to fix it? |
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| 12:24.52 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: likely just update-grub didn't work properly, and the default is still .26 |
| 12:25.22 | ale_ryu | but that's the strange thing, .26 didn't and still doesn't exist in menu.lst |
| 12:25.58 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: check out if .30 is in /boot/grub/menu.lst and find vmlinuz, initrd-img and system.map in /boot -- if LiLo is used, you should've ran LiLo prior to rebooting |
| 12:26.53 | xeon-enouf | .26 didn't what? |
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| 12:28.15 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: .26 in etch would've been likely from etch-backports; etchnhalf had .24, but you seem to have a diff bootloader installed (LiLo?) and someone just didn't remove grub or something |
| 12:28.39 | MikeH | Hrm |
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| 12:30.02 | ale_ryu | yeah, I've seen some backports repos on sources.list. but I'm sure I don't have lilo, are there any other bootloaders? |
| 12:30.11 | xeon-enouf | many |
| 12:30.17 | ale_ryu | hohooooo |
| 12:30.26 | xeon-enouf | see what /etc/lilo* has |
| 12:30.26 | ale_ryu | well, that must be it then |
| 12:30.37 | valdyn | ale_ryu: you can read the mbr to be sure |
| 12:30.50 | ale_ryu | there's no /etc/lilo* |
| 12:30.58 | xeon-enouf | hexdump -C /dev/sda | less for example |
| 12:31.19 | xeon-enouf | or xxd -l 512 /dev/hda |
| 12:31.26 | ale_ryu | is that safe? |
| 12:31.51 | xeon-enouf | strings /dev/hda | egrep -i 'grub|lilo' |
| 12:32.10 | xeon-enouf | sure .. depending ;-) no guarantees though |
| 12:32.17 | ale_ryu | :P |
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| 12:33.21 | xeon-enouf | that last one (strings) should add | head -n2 or similar :-) |
| 12:33.48 | ale_ryu | strings /dev/sda |egrep -i 'grub|lilo' |
| 12:33.48 | ale_ryu | GRUB |
| 12:34.07 | ale_ryu | it dumps a lot of grub related stuff |
| 12:34.11 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: is sda your boot disk? |
| 12:34.30 | wols | !locale |
| 12:34.30 | dpkg | [locale] set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 12:34.52 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: it's also mildly possible (happened to me et al) that there'smore than 1 installation of any-distro and you're seeing the wrong menu.lst |
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| 12:36.08 | ale_ryu | I feel stupid now, the bootdisk was sdb |
| 12:36.08 | xeon-enouf | ale_ryu: also, at some point /etc/kernel-img.conf got altered from /sbin/updtae-grub to /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 12:36.10 | xeon-enouf | on the postinst / postrm lines |
| 12:36.13 | ranix | ale_ryu: it happens |
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| 12:36.29 | xeon-enouf | heh - always good to cover basics first ;-) |
| 12:36.43 | ale_ryu | lol, thanks a lot guys, back to fixing this, bye, have a nice day! |
| 12:37.29 | xeon-enouf | wols: !! |
| 12:37.45 | xeon-enouf | wols: i've added some xeon to myself :-p |
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| 12:39.56 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 12:42.09 | peleg | Hey there. I can't kill a process. sigkill, sigint etc. do not work. What shall I do? |
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| 12:42.56 | peleg | It uses 90-100% cpu, and it is a simple PHP script that went wrong. |
| 12:42.59 | xeon-enouf | peleg: Zombie? or D state? |
| 12:43.03 | liable | kill -9 |
| 12:43.16 | liable | kill its parent |
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| 12:44.39 | peleg | liable, killing the parent worked, thanks! |
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| 12:44.57 | liable | yw |
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| 12:49.28 | xurupita | where does nautilus 2.28 will become a testing package? |
| 12:49.45 | xurupita | i've "edit -> preferences" bug :( |
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| 12:57.15 | jelly | judd: versions logrotate |
| 12:57.16 | judd | jelly: logrotate -- etch: 3.7.1-3 lenny: 3.7.1-5 sid: 3.7.8-4 squeeze: 3.7.8-4 |
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| 12:58.15 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 12:58.23 | _Trinity_ | salutations! |
| 12:59.01 | xurupita | hi _Trinity_ |
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| 13:16.22 | _Trinity_ | guys momentary X freezes when resizing windows seems to be gone and after inserting an unsupported option by r128, "Option "AGPFastWrite" "true"". Anyone find this odd? |
| 13:16.28 | dennis | xeon-enouf: I'm missing something. The mount point really dont appears in desktop enviroment, like in gnome devices. But this maybe need to be resolv in gnome channel |
| 13:17.09 | _Trinity_ | I mean, wouldn't make sence isf I were using the ati driver with a supported radeon card and not the Rage 128? |
| 13:17.10 | SparFux | Trinity: Which distribution exactly? |
| 13:17.18 | _Trinity_ | Lenny |
| 13:17.45 | _Trinity_ | On Squeeze the Rage 128 isn't even seen |
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| 13:18.12 | SparFux | Trinity: Yes, in old Xorg versions, there were some bugs I hit, too. I sold my X800 card because of that and switched to NVidia to push development there. But then ATI published specs and modern Xorg drivers should be very good. I would update. |
| 13:18.31 | SparFux | Trinity: what about sid? Can you pin to sid xorg? |
| 13:18.58 | _Trinity_ | This makes me want to try out all these fancy radeon options out with the r128 with my Rage card or at least with the ati driver |
| 13:19.11 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: I didn't try Sid |
| 13:19.34 | SparFux | Trinity: I tried everything, the only thing keeping my system from freezing was to use VESA driver. |
| 13:19.37 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: but as soon as I'm getting energy, I'm reporting this |
| 13:19.39 | SparFux | and this sucked. |
| 13:19.59 | SparFux | what version is your xorg driver? |
| 13:20.33 | SparFux | I have 1:6.12.3-1 |
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| 13:20.43 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: I found that on Jaunty, which might be lke Sid, that no't spedifying a driver allowed a vesa or something generic to kick in |
| 13:20.47 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.01 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: it worked but although very slowly |
| 13:21.11 | SparFux | yes, it was so slow. quite unusable. |
| 13:21.15 | jelly | _Trinity_: that option is rather old, was present back when mach64/rage128/radeon were still all in one (pun not intended) driver |
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| 13:21.54 | _Trinity_ | Jelly: so od radeon options can be picked up by r128? awesone |
| 13:22.01 | dennis | xeon-enouf: I thing its something with hal and fstab |
| 13:22.07 | jelly | _Trinity_: no, old video-ati options might. |
| 13:22.22 | _Trinity_ | Jelly: I'll have to make a list |
| 13:23.08 | _Trinity_ | Jelly: any idea on how to go about figurigng which ones might apply? |
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| 13:23.33 | Octavian | hi |
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| 13:23.38 | xeon-enouf | dennis: what are you talking about, and why me? |
| 13:23.54 | Octavian | I have a problem using debhelper on some own package |
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| 13:24.15 | dennis | : ) |
| 13:24.17 | Octavian | I'll try to avoid dh_auto_test being called, as there is no working 'test' or 'check' target |
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| 13:24.21 | dennis | i'm apt_get |
| 13:24.23 | dennis | sorry |
| 13:24.24 | jelly | _Trinity_: strings /usr/lib/xorg/drivers/r128.o (or wherever the driver is)? |
| 13:24.27 | SparFux | Trinity: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log it should tell you which options were accepted. |
| 13:24.31 | xeon-enouf | dennis: oh - heh |
| 13:24.39 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: I'm using the Version: 6.8.0-1 |
| 13:24.56 | apt_get | ehhe |
| 13:25.14 | SparFux | Trinity: This is way too old, really. You are hitting bugs which are already shot. |
| 13:25.32 | _Trinity_ | thanks SparFux and jelly |
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| 13:25.43 | jelly | he's also using hardware that should have died in sleep years ago |
| 13:26.08 | SparFux | trinity: try pinning to sid xorg. These are quite ok, I think. Me on the other hand uses nouveau driver, latest git. for nvidia card. |
| 13:26.12 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: do you know if the failures with the Rage 128 card have been reported? |
| 13:26.24 | _Trinity_ | oh |
| 13:26.44 | jelly | SparFux: stable + pinning = fail |
| 13:26.48 | SparFux | Trinity: no. not at all. But I was told by X developer, that the ati cards work very well in these days. Too bad I sold mine and switched to nvidia :-\ |
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| 13:27.01 | SparFux | jelly: ah, I see. |
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| 13:27.20 | SparFux | runs sid. |
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| 13:27.39 | santux | hi |
| 13:27.40 | jelly | SparFux: basically stable + pinning = not stable, so you're on your own wrt support in here |
| 13:27.57 | SparFux | jelly: ok then. he shouldn't pin. |
| 13:28.06 | jelly | backports are the way to go if newer packages are neededd |
| 13:28.33 | jelly | ... but backporting xorg isn't going to happen easily |
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| 13:29.12 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: there another bug where saving prefereces in the Kazehakase browser or Arora while in full screen mode causes a freeze too |
| 13:29.46 | _Trinity_ | SparFux: have you come accros that or read about it? |
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| 13:30.20 | _Trinity_ | jelly: I've never pinned or had to |
| 13:30.32 | mXr | anyone know why there is no linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 package in testing? |
| 13:30.44 | _Trinity_ | but when I used to use Debian, there weren't backport repos to pin |
| 13:30.47 | mXr | seems like there are no xen kernels whatsoever in testing |
| 13:31.24 | _Trinity_ | adn there was a whole big argument about whether backporting shoud be supported tp start off with |
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| 13:31.38 | _Trinity_ | seems like backport suporters won |
| 13:31.49 | Wyzard | !why is linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 not in testing |
| 13:31.49 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 |
| 13:32.03 | eshat | why is 2.6.31 not yet in sid ? |
| 13:32.03 | _Trinity_ | the whole thing doesn't make sence to me though. To make you system more unstable |
| 13:32.20 | xeon-enouf | eshat: it starts out as trunk |
| 13:32.27 | jelly | eshat: it's buggy enough so that kernel people are waiting for 2.6.31.1 |
| 13:32.29 | _Trinity_ | just for the latest and greatest, although I am tempted |
| 13:32.50 | eshat | xeon-enouf: what is trunk ? |
| 13:33.36 | _Trinity_ | why not just create self contained binaries, like the Next/Gnu Step for anything that might make our system unstable? |
| 13:34.00 | xeon-enouf | eshat: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 13:34.24 | _Trinity_ | like PC-BSD does with their distributed binaries? |
| 13:34.31 | xeon-enouf | gNewsense? |
| 13:34.37 | xeon-enouf | or something |
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| 13:35.42 | xeon-enouf | jelly: ever apply supposed .31 fixes for xorg/intel? |
| 13:36.31 | apt_get | If my fstab encfs dont want listing more in gnome devices, i think I go install debian again, but now, the stable version =P |
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| 13:36.51 | _Trinity_ | I not going to use Sid though. Too unstable for me. If I didn't testing, I don't think I'll like Sid |
| 13:36.55 | Wyzard | xeon-enouf: fixes? |
| 13:38.12 | Wyzard | I've been looking forward to 2.6.31 because 2.6.30 does not support GEM in PAE kernels, so the intel driver gets *no acceleration* when running a -bigmem kernel |
| 13:38.23 | Wyzard | but that's the only "fix" I've heard of related to xorg/intel an 2.6.31 |
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| 13:39.15 | _Trinity_ | jelly:might I be better off using th ati driver, and possibly get more options to work on this old video card? |
| 13:39.24 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: yeah, i don't even know what the 'fix' actually even was - just squatting in devel channels, reading - it's likely something listed (linked to from) here; http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31 |
| 13:40.26 | xeon-enouf | apt_get: have you checked the BTS? use apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges ? |
| 13:40.43 | apt_get | i will try |
| 13:40.45 | apt_get | right now |
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| 13:41.51 | xeon-enouf | apt_get: well, once installed to latest version, the latter two pkgs aren't really going to help so google site;bugs.debian.org gnome encfs automount volume or something |
| 13:41.59 | xeon-enouf | er s/;/:/ |
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| 13:43.09 | apt_get | ok |
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| 13:44.40 | cusco | hi |
| 13:45.00 | cusco | I once asked but I forgot.... from dmidecode how can I check what kind of memory the machine is using? |
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| 13:45.15 | klamanet | hi, i'm trying to install debian lenny from a netboot image via PXE in a HP ProLiant DL160 G6 (raid-server). At this moment I could mount a TFTPD server in a Windows and the server runs the netboot very well. But in the middle of the installation (detection of net hardware) debian can't locate the network card. Any help? |
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| 13:46.55 | xeon-enouf | !myram |
| 13:46.55 | dpkg | [myram] install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 13:47.00 | xeon-enouf | cusco: ^ ^ ^ |
| 13:47.40 | cusco | xeon-enouf: http://paste.debian.net/47410/ |
| 13:47.53 | xeon-enouf | cusco: what is that? |
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| 13:49.29 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: might want to look at chapter 5 of IG, see Boot Parameters and 'di netbase/<something>' options? try alt-f4 within installer for messages, also note; BOOT_DEBUG=n params |
| 13:49.58 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: perhaps you need /msg dpkg installer firmware ? |
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| 13:50.51 | xeon-enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware even? |
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| 13:54.18 | cusco | xeon-enouf: its the dmidecode output |
| 13:55.04 | cusco | xeon-enouf: it says sdram, but I dunno wich frequency |
| 13:55.05 | xeon-enouf | cusco: i see that now - i just don't like to read cold pastes :-P |
| 13:55.13 | cusco | sorry |
| 13:55.21 | cusco | are you xeon lit? |
| 13:55.27 | xeon-enouf | cusco: the factoid tells you how to get more info - you can check your BIOS too you know |
| 13:55.58 | cusco | well, its a server running sets of services we would like to turn it off only when its time to replace memory |
| 13:56.05 | cusco | (its also a xeon :P) |
| 13:56.12 | xeon-enouf | cusco: so use the factoid info |
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| 13:56.52 | d-b-xen | hi um what package do i need to get a valid fontpath for xorg? |
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| 13:57.02 | xeon-enouf | cusco: also dmidecode | grep External Clock |
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| 13:57.09 | hanibana | hi all |
| 13:57.14 | xeon-enouf | cusco: also dmidecode | grep 'External Clock' will show you FSB speed |
| 13:59.27 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: ok, check_missing_firmware no detect missing firmware, |
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| 14:00.24 | xeon-enouf | ouch - found me a bug ;-) |
| 14:00.39 | d-b-xen | xeon-enouf: oh really... |
| 14:00.48 | hanibana | I want to build an application on Debian Lenny amd64. I have an error about relocation blah blah... : http://pastebin.com/f2f64a54e The error and search results suggests adding -fPIC to gcc flags. But I don't know add it to which Makefile. |
| 14:00.54 | xeon-enouf | decode-dimms here only reports 2x 128 rambus rimms, but there's 512RAM installed :-( |
| 14:01.09 | hanibana | can anyone help me |
| 14:01.10 | hanibana | ? |
| 14:02.05 | xeon-enouf | http://paste.debian.net/47412/download/47412 |
| 14:02.25 | xeon-enouf | hanibana: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 14:02.46 | xeon-enouf | hanibana: you might need/want a gcc cross compiler? |
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| 14:03.19 | hanibana | xeon-enouf: I don't know ! |
| 14:03.34 | hanibana | xeon-enouf : what should i do? |
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| 14:05.35 | Thms | Hello, I have a problem with my aptitude update, some xorg packages are uninstalable, I don't know why and I think my V4L issue could be solved if I can solve this: http://nopaste.com/p/aztz1pFgD |
| 14:05.36 | xeon-enouf | hanibana: are you using debian source and making a .deb? if not, then ./configure --help, otherwise see debian/rules |
| 14:05.45 | xeon-enouf | hanibana: also - i have to go now |
| 14:06.02 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: thks for the url, i'm reading now. It's interesting. When I get some results I'll back |
| 14:06.31 | hanibana | xeon-enouf: thank you. |
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| 14:06.57 | inckie | if i compiled apache my self, is there a way i can tell aptitude that it is installed, so packages which i depended on it will install ? |
| 14:09.23 | petemc | inckie: equivs |
| 14:09.29 | Thms | no one for http://nopaste.com/p/aztz1pFgD |
| 14:09.45 | radoe | hanibana: first of all, why don't you use lennys packaged cyrus-imapd? |
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| 14:10.14 | justin | Thms: english. |
| 14:10.25 | d-b-xen | inckie: not really if you installed it, without going about it the debian way :) |
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| 14:11.00 | cretsiah | hello could some1 tell me how to get my kyocera printer up and running? |
| 14:11.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.05 | inckie | d-b-xen see what petemc said |
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| 14:11.08 | khaije|calli | is there a way to change the keyring password in gnome? |
| 14:11.11 | inckie | thx alot petemc |
| 14:11.21 | d-b-xen | inckie: ?...... |
| 14:11.26 | Thms | justin: how can I do to put my aptitude in english ? Those packages are just kept and I cant upgrade them |
| 14:11.38 | d-b-xen | inckie: id recommend using checkinstall (althought i hate too do so ;) ) |
| 14:11.40 | d-b-xen | !checkinstall |
| 14:11.40 | dpkg | [checkinstall] a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because of bug #281823 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
| 14:12.03 | radoe | Thms: LANG=C aptitude yourcommand |
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| 14:12.48 | Thms | Here is my aptitude problem in english: http://nopaste.com/p/aSw3Jt1Em |
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| 14:14.18 | hanibana | radoe: because I want to apply a patch. |
| 14:14.23 | radoe | Thms: what was your aptitude command? Maybe you need full-upgrade due to changed dependencies? |
| 14:14.26 | ethanol | W: GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/updates Release: De volgende ondertekeningen konden niet geverifiëerd worden omdat de publieke sleutel niet beschikbaar is: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:14.26 | ethanol | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: De volgende ondertekeningen konden niet geverifiëerd worden omdat de publieke sleutel niet beschikbaar is: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 14:14.26 | ethanol | ): |
| 14:14.29 | ethanol | I iz sad now |
| 14:14.36 | ethanol | how do I install these keys? |
| 14:14.49 | Rienzilla | um |
| 14:14.55 | Rienzilla | there is a keyring package iirc |
| 14:14.57 | Thms | radoe: aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 14:15.00 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 14:15.08 | fnordperfect | hello there! I have question regarding MTRRs, which is a bit hardware/kernel-specific -- I hope that's ok. I'm having performance issues with an intel 945 chipset which I am desperate to solve for days now. As I see it, the video-specific MTRR is set up to a region of 256MB, but *beyond* the 512MB physically available! does that make sense, with shared memory? |
| 14:15.09 | ethanol | must not be called keyring |
| 14:15.11 | d-b-xen | apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:15.20 | d-b-xen | !debian-keyring |
| 14:15.22 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 14:15.26 | d-b-xen | or not |
| 14:15.35 | valdyn | fnordperfect: why do you think your performance is slow because of an mtrr setting? |
| 14:15.36 | Thms | radoe: aptitude full-upgrade seem to work, thanks |
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| 14:15.46 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 14:15.47 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 14:16.01 | ethanol | !backports-keyring |
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| 14:16.06 | radoe | hanibana: You have satsified all builddeps for compiling cyrus-imapd? You are sure, your patch is not in Lennys version of cyrus-imapd (which btw is newer than the version you try to compile)? |
| 14:16.18 | d-b-xen | ethanol: give up on dpkg. please. |
| 14:16.20 | fnordperfect | valdyn: because I read it's (or was?) a common issue and I also tried lots of other stuff, which didn't help ether. |
| 14:16.21 | jetscreamer | !apt-key-auto |
| 14:16.21 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 14:16.24 | fnordperfect | s/ether/either |
| 14:16.33 | valdyn | fnordperfect: read what dpkg said |
| 14:16.38 | ethanol | d-b-xen: ? |
| 14:16.53 | d-b-xen | ethanol: don't worry. |
| 14:17.01 | fnordperfect | I thought, XAA is not supported anymore in current intel drivers? |
| 14:17.32 | d-b-xen | fnordperfect: depends. if you are on unstable or not. |
| 14:17.51 | d-b-xen | on lenny, i use xaa as it is faster then exa i find (for me). |
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| 14:18.17 | hark | uxa for testing as well |
| 14:18.34 | d-b-xen | hark: is uxa in testing properly ? |
| 14:18.46 | pronoy | er...when is the next debian version going to be released ? |
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| 14:19.39 | d-b-xen | pronoy: when it is ready :) |
| 14:19.50 | fnordperfect | well, ok, if you think it is not mtrr-related, then I'll play with x.org stuff some more. |
| 14:19.57 | pronoy | d-b-xen no i meant the proposed date... |
| 14:20.04 | d-b-xen | pronoy: when it is ready |
| 14:20.10 | hark | d-b-xen: there's no difference w.r.t X in sid and squeeze |
| 14:20.30 | d-b-xen | hark: i mean does uxa work nicely enough for me to try backporting xorg and mesa to my lenny |
| 14:20.33 | d-b-xen | vs xaa |
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| 14:21.02 | doktor_dre | why do you hate me?? |
| 14:21.09 | hark | i've been using it for months now, works fine for me |
| 14:21.10 | d-b-xen | !love doktor_dre |
| 14:21.11 | dpkg | makes love to doktor_dre, caressing doktor_dre's hair, whispering sweet nothings in doktor_dre's ear... |
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| 14:21.26 | doktor_dre | ah ah eize deal... |
| 14:21.29 | d-b-xen | hark: smoother then xaa ? |
| 14:21.29 | fnordperfect | but just out of interest: what do these mtrrs acutally do? I thought, they define a memory region with accelerated access by the CPU. why may they overlap or reach beyond the actually present RAM? |
| 14:21.47 | d-b-xen | fnordperfect: complicated scary things! |
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| 14:21.52 | fnordperfect | lol |
| 14:23.11 | pronoy | d-b-xen the codename for the new version is squeeze right ? |
| 14:23.28 | d-b-xen | fnordperfect: fnordperfect according to google an mtrr is memory type range registers , which are used to control access to memory ranges. |
| 14:24.12 | d-b-xen | fnordperfect: the kernel doc on this is very good :) |
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| 14:25.10 | d-b-xen | hark: is uxa faster than xaa you find / what hardware are you actually using? |
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| 14:27.48 | fnordperfect | d-b-xen: well, actually you're right, it is very good! ...I usually tend to presume kernel documentation to be way over my head... |
| 14:27.52 | hark | a 945, and it's as fast or faster (been some time since i've used xaa) |
| 14:28.38 | d-b-xen | hark: sure. |
| 14:28.40 | jelly | _Trinity_: no, it's the same. using Driver "ati" will merely make it detect the card and use r128 again |
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| 14:28.44 | d-b-xen | ill do some tests on a live cd :) |
| 14:28.47 | d-b-xen | thank you |
| 14:28.47 | fnordperfect | ok, then, thanks for now |
| 14:28.54 | _Trinity_ | oh |
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| 14:36.37 | mathbr | Hi. Has anyone tried to rebuild PyGTK against the latest GTK 2.18 in Unstable? FTBFS for me. |
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| 14:37.57 | wzssyqa | who can help me to install debian testing from harddisk? |
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| 14:38.31 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: i found a script that automate the firmware update in the netboot installer. I want to ask you: i must run the script over initrd.gz or over initrd.gz and netinst iso? http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html |
| 14:38.49 | williamh | looking for some assistance setting up firewall/shorewall/routes please. It is the middle of the night and want to go home :) ISP gave IP range x.x.x.113-126 no other details provided. I have decided gw=113 bc=127 nw=112 |
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| 14:39.14 | williamh | In the past when I setup I was also provided an address which was to be the external IP of the firewall.. this time no.. ---setup: firewall EXT_IP=114 DMZ_IP=115 |
| 14:39.22 | wzssyqa | i use grub to boot vmliuz,ithen scan iso,but can't find |
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| 14:39.31 | williamh | not sure how to get traffic routing out between interfaces when it is the same subnet... Is this a broken thing or am I missing something? |
| 14:40.12 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: seems to say either/or |
| 14:40.21 | justin | williamh: are they even expecting you to route? |
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| 14:41.07 | williamh | justin I am wondering what they want :) |
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| 14:41.27 | Hideme | Is there a command to change my apt source list (selectable source list)? |
| 14:41.29 | stew | williamh: what do you mean by "routing out between interfaces when it is the same subnet" ? |
| 14:41.32 | williamh | are you supposed to be able to have same subnet multiple interfaces? |
| 14:41.40 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: no, wait, it's only the initrd.gz :D |
| 14:41.42 | stew | Hideme: "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 14:41.57 | stew | williamh: yes |
| 14:42.00 | justin | williamh: no |
| 14:42.03 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: (from reviewing the sh script) it seems the ISOs have an initrd, which then gets recreated, and a new bootable ISO is generated |
| 14:42.15 | Hideme | Stew No, a list to select from. Just as it had during install. |
| 14:42.31 | justin | williamh: sounds like they may just be giving you a layer2 connection |
| 14:42.35 | williamh | stew justin was that to the same question? :) |
| 14:42.38 | xeon-enouf | well, the ISOs certainly have a initrd+vmlinuz(atleast debian ones do) |
| 14:42.47 | stew | Hideme: http://debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 14:43.07 | _Trinity_ | jelly:I'm prettu sure I've uninstalled the r128 driver and listd ati in xorg.conf and X will start with the Rage card just the same |
| 14:43.09 | stew | williamh: you can have multiple interfaces on the same subnet, yes |
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| 14:43.30 | klamanet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.37 | wzssyqa | xeon-enouf: yes,it can boot,but can not find iso file |
| 14:43.56 | d-b-xen | stew: can't one have multiple interfaces on different subnets ? :) |
| 14:44.04 | stew | d-b-xen: yes |
| 14:44.09 | d-b-xen | ifconfig eth0:2 10.0.0.2/16 :) |
| 14:44.19 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: no, it's not. Now i'll try with the new patched release |
| 14:44.19 | justin | williamh: traceroute x.x.x.120 from the outside |
| 14:44.27 | stew | and multiple subnets on the same interface |
| 14:44.41 | d-b-xen | stew: routes i dont get tho |
| 14:44.48 | stew | d-b-xen: what do you need to know? |
| 14:44.55 | d-b-xen | stew: how to use metrics :) |
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| 14:45.08 | d-b-xen | stew: like i have two routers, and would like to use metrics to say which one i use. |
| 14:45.13 | williamh | justin - how should it be configured on the firewall? was the assumption of gw=113 bc=127 nw=112 wrong? |
| 14:45.23 | justin | williamh: you really should ask the ISP |
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| 14:45.56 | stew | d-b-xen: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 14:45.58 | williamh | justin gets to x.x.101.133 and tehn times out the rest |
| 14:46.13 | mathbr | I'll file a report and will see what the maintainer says. |
| 14:46.15 | justin | williamh: what is that IP? |
| 14:46.17 | d-b-xen | williamh: try 4.2.2.2 |
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| 14:46.19 | d-b-xen | (traceroute) |
| 14:46.22 | williamh | justin I would have but middle of thr night at the mo. :( |
| 14:46.27 | d-b-xen | and also traceroute -I 4.2.2.2 |
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| 14:48.26 | williamh | justin IP looks to be one on the SIP network not one I recognise |
| 14:48.49 | justin | williamh: that may be your gateway... |
| 14:48.56 | stew | which doens't help you |
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| 14:49.30 | stew | since you need to know a different ip address of that gateway, not the outward facing address of this gateway, but the ip address facing you |
| 14:50.13 | justin | ah, true |
| 14:50.13 | d-b-xen | stew: he might have a network bridge :) |
| 14:50.13 | justin | grumbles |
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| 14:50.21 | williamh | ok so I am not going totally mad and it does sound like some info missing :) |
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| 14:50.29 | stew | williamh: correct |
| 14:50.44 | stew | williamh: you could guess that you are in a /24 and try the .1 address as gateway |
| 14:51.04 | d-b-xen | williamh: are you at a company or something ? |
| 14:51.06 | d-b-xen | or a uni?... |
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| 14:51.16 | justin | doubts he has a /24 :) |
| 14:51.22 | williamh | d-b-xen setting up network for the office |
| 14:51.29 | d-b-xen | williamh: AH. |
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| 14:51.39 | williamh | .. /28 allocation |
| 14:51.46 | stew | justin: no, but its not uncommon for them to split a /24 among several users with only one gateway |
| 14:51.48 | d-b-xen | williamh: ok :) internet ips ? |
| 14:51.49 | justin | williamh: if you configure a single machine with the settings you guessed, can you get out to the internet? |
| 14:52.05 | d-b-xen | williamh: what are you linking up too..... |
| 14:52.29 | stew | williamh: you could broadcast ping the broadcast address for /28 /27 /26... and see if you ever get a reply from something that could be your gateway |
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| 14:52.50 | williamh | d-b-xen I can get out on the firewall if I give the external interface x.x.x.114 and guessed gw etc |
| 14:52.54 | justin | williamh: yes, that, or run tcpdump and see what you get |
| 14:52.59 | williamh | dmz or intenal no |
| 14:53.19 | justin | williamh: does that work for all the ip addresses? |
| 14:53.20 | d-b-xen | williamh: im confused. |
| 14:53.23 | d-b-xen | what are you linking up to |
| 14:53.25 | d-b-xen | what medium. |
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| 14:53.38 | d-b-xen | ethernet?...... atm..... |
| 14:53.41 | stew | williamh: wait, you know the gateway ip? and you can use it to get to the internet? |
| 14:53.55 | williamh | justin have only tried the one address.. |
| 14:54.01 | justin | williamh: sounds like you need to setup a transparent bridge or static nat if you want to do filtering |
| 14:54.11 | d-b-xen | justin: plz don't ever suggest a BRIDGE |
| 14:54.23 | justin | bridges are fine |
| 14:54.24 | d-b-xen | there are VERY good reasons why you do not want to use a bridge if you don't have too. |
| 14:54.35 | d-b-xen | justin: no really. please avoid them at all cost. |
| 14:54.35 | justin | except for the cases where you do have to :-P |
| 14:54.40 | williamh | stew so dmz hosts would have private addresses and use NAT to get public address onto them? |
| 14:54.56 | stew | williamh: sorry, i apparantly don't understand your situation |
| 14:55.01 | stew | williamh: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:55.08 | d-b-xen | williamh: please explain what is occuring / happening plz :) |
| 14:55.12 | williamh | Stew my explaining may be slow |
| 14:55.14 | d-b-xen | in simple terms |
| 14:55.22 | justin | williamh: you would assign each of the public addresses to the external interface on your firewall, and map them to the internal private addresses |
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| 14:55.34 | justin | like x.x.x.120 -> 192.168.4.120 |
| 14:55.57 | d-b-xen | justin: he need not map them if there is no port to be opened for that server. |
| 14:56.21 | justin | true |
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| 14:56.30 | williamh | stew OK.. I was planning to assign public addresses to machines in the dmz (that is how I have done it in the past) it sounds like I need to set all pubic on teh external interface and NAT (or something) to the dmz which would have private addresses? |
| 14:56.42 | justin | williamh: that's what I just said |
| 14:56.55 | d-b-xen | williamh: dude yeah do that. -> nat -> private ips in the dmz. |
| 14:57.24 | klamanet | hi, i'm trying extract data.tar.gz from a deb, but the command ar is not detected "ar -p firmware-bnx2_0.14_all.deb data.tar.gz " |
| 14:57.24 | williamh | justin stew d-b-xen.. bugger.. never likes NAT :) thanks for your help I was starting to do in circles |
| 14:57.27 | d-b-xen | justin: i hope i won't have to explain why bridges are a bad idea tho. |
| 14:57.40 | williamh | lol |
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| 14:58.02 | williamh | so I want to setup a bridge.. :) yeah yeah I will shut up now |
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| 14:58.06 | williamh | thanks for your help |
| 14:58.27 | d-b-xen | justin: a bridge must interupt more and listen to broadcast traffic. -> more load on the system. |
| 14:58.38 | d-b-xen | the larger the network / broadcast ... the more load we are talking about. |
| 14:58.39 | wzssyqa | how install debian from harddisk? |
| 14:58.43 | d-b-xen | they do not scale |
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| 14:59.20 | justin | bridges are great when you need to install a firewall in front a machine or two that can not be reconfigured to have a different IP address |
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| 14:59.48 | d-b-xen | justin: you mean cannot be reconfigured to use a different gateway? |
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| 15:00.05 | justin | d-b-xen: that too |
| 15:00.28 | d-b-xen | justin: i disagree on that use :) |
| 15:00.34 | d-b-xen | but this is off topic |
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| 15:00.48 | justin | now, if you need to firewall the entire subnet you can change the actual gateway address and install the firewall as that ip |
| 15:01.09 | d-b-xen | justin: for the reasons i stated above, you should avoid bridges at all cost. |
| 15:01.12 | justin | generally this only comes up when you have to deal with "vendors" |
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| 15:01.49 | justin | yes, for those 2 reasons that don't apply when trying to secure 3 machines :-P |
| 15:01.51 | d-b-xen | justin: the faculty of sciencemy university is a good example of failure to design a network and to use a brige where it is really a bad idea |
| 15:02.00 | d-b-xen | justin: sure. |
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| 15:02.10 | d-b-xen | justin: but 3 pcs -> more maybe at some point ;) |
| 15:03.15 | cretsiah | where would i find the printer so i can add it to the share list? |
| 15:03.29 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: depends, is it usb or serial .. / other |
| 15:03.35 | cretsiah | usb |
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| 15:03.53 | cretsiah | kyocera fs-820 |
| 15:03.55 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: do you intend on sharing it in raw mode, or by using cups to provide a driver? |
| 15:04.24 | cretsiah | it needs to serve windows machines so tell me how to get it going please |
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| 15:04.40 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: what a what now ? |
| 15:04.44 | d-b-xen | !cups |
| 15:04.45 | dpkg | well, cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:05.23 | valdyn | cretsiah: I cant believe you even tried to read the documentation |
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| 15:06.45 | d-b-xen | valdyn: i can't believe there is something other than debian ! |
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| 15:09.00 | cretsiah | lol both of you :( its taken me 3 days to get a ssh session going, i have cups installed but not working (that i can figure out), i have samba running whiich does work, i just need to get the printer working and accessible from 4 windows machines |
| 15:09.27 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: does cups support your printer? |
| 15:09.41 | jetscreamer | probably not, but i'm guessing |
| 15:09.47 | cretsiah | its supposed to its supposed to be in the perfect list |
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| 15:10.20 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: ok so go start cups, then go to 127.0.0.1:631 in a web browser from that system |
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| 15:10.52 | d-b-xen | else create a ssh tunnel (socks proxy) -> in putty click down the bottom then add a dynamic tunnel say port 9994 |
| 15:10.55 | d-b-xen | :) |
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| 15:11.31 | d-b-xen | after you set it up, in the cups interface set it so other pcs can print then give the windows pcs the ipp address of the printer from cups |
| 15:11.34 | d-b-xen | and profit! |
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| 15:13.32 | cognitiaclaeves | Does a package exist that I can use to switch on and off compiz at will? |
| 15:13.41 | d-b-xen | cretsiah: apt-get install fusion-icon |
| 15:13.54 | d-b-xen | erh i meant cognitiaclaeves |
| 15:14.05 | cognitiaclaeves | d-b-xen: Thanks. :) |
| 15:14.59 | cognitiaclaeves | fusion-icon doesn't appear to do anything... |
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| 15:15.36 | d-b-xen | cognitiaclaeves: click on it |
| 15:15.41 | d-b-xen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:16.15 | cognitiaclaeves | lol... I am... |
| 15:16.20 | d-b-xen | .... |
| 15:16.51 | cognitiaclaeves | ah. ... I see. |
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| 15:17.15 | cognitiaclaeves | evidently it depends on compizconfig. |
| 15:17.17 | d-b-xen | cognitiaclaeves: yes.... |
| 15:17.22 | d-b-xen | cognitiaclaeves: probably :) |
| 15:17.29 | cognitiaclaeves | ( which I don't seem to have. ) I'll look harder. |
| 15:17.37 | d-b-xen | cognitiaclaeves: apt-get ??? |
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| 15:19.13 | cognitiaclaeves | I think this is a ubuntu issue. Thanks for showing the general direction, though. :) |
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| 15:19.23 | d-b-xen_ | !ubuntu |
| 15:19.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:20.04 | cognitiaclaeves | yes, I know. It's still good for general orientation in the forest of linux, though. |
| 15:20.20 | chadwin | yeah |
| 15:20.30 | d-b-xen_ | cognitiaclaeves: probably. |
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| 15:20.51 | d-b-xen_ | cognitiaclaeves: there are reasons why i won't touch ubuntu atm :) |
| 15:21.18 | d-b-xen_ | cognitiaclaeves: like where is vlc ? which repo ?... |
| 15:21.23 | d-b-xen_ | multiverse i think :( |
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| 15:22.04 | chadwin | hey guys does anyone know how to set up the compiz effects when you open a close menus and windows? |
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| 15:22.58 | chadwin | and the Snow effects is anothers one that i cant find |
| 15:23.41 | xeon-enouf | linux and DEs .. uff |
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| 15:23.51 | d-b-xen_ | cognitiaclaeves: rofl. |
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| 15:24.04 | d-b-xen_ | apt-get install compiz-manager i think. |
| 15:24.16 | chadwin | i allready did that |
| 15:24.24 | d-b-xen_ | chadwin: install all plugins i guess :) |
| 15:24.35 | chadwin | where can i find them |
| 15:24.42 | d-b-xen_ | !rtfm |
| 15:24.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 15:25.10 | xeon-enouf | is chadwin using *buntu as well? |
| 15:25.17 | xeon-enouf | !search |
| 15:25.17 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 15:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | d-b-xen, I don't have a tray! |
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| 15:28.42 | l403 | does anybody know if this has been renamed to something else in lenny? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=3ddesktop |
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| 15:29.31 | project2501a | sausage-ona-bunn |
| 15:29.33 | project2501a | hmmm how can i tell nautilus to pop up a directory window on a specified directory from the prompt? |
| 15:29.35 | justin | l403: most people use compiz now |
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| 15:29.52 | justin | project2501a: nautilus directory |
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| 15:30.21 | project2501a | justin: seriously? /me tries |
| 15:30.32 | project2501a | wow, nice :D |
| 15:30.38 | project2501a | i feel stupid now :) |
| 15:30.48 | l403 | ah, and compiz runs on top or replaces the desktop manager completely? |
| 15:30.50 | project2501a | is humbled, yet again :) |
| 15:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | great, I wondered what happens if I call fusion-icon with fvwm2... |
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| 15:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it ends my X session |
| 15:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
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| 15:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO(things I finally decided I didn't want to find out afterall) |
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| 15:33.47 | NoCode | project2501a, "nautilus /home/user/whatever" |
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| 15:35.57 | exn | guys , I really need help ! what dhcp servers I can use for multiple interfaces ? dnsmasq can't be used because is own dns server , dhcpd does not want to work for many than one interface.. |
| 15:36.31 | justin | exn: dhcpd should work fine. |
| 15:36.54 | justin | and just because dnsmasq comes with a dns server doesn't mean you have to use it |
| 15:37.15 | exn | nope, not works |
| 15:37.26 | exn | it works only for one.. |
| 15:37.32 | themill | exn: dhcpd works quite fine for multiple interfaces |
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| 15:37.42 | exn | for me not.. |
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| 15:37.56 | exn | isc-dhcpd-V3.0.3 |
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| 15:38.21 | exn | maybe is another ? |
| 15:39.27 | cognitiaclaeves | ( after first cd'ing into /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages ) |
| 15:39.41 | cognitiaclaeves | wrong channel, sorry. |
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| 15:41.57 | aucabarcas | hi. how do I copy the list of current installed packages in a single file in order that dpkg can install them again after on the same machine? |
| 15:42.17 | jelly | !tell aucabarcas -about aptitude clone |
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| 15:44.09 | jelly | aucabarcas: also, "/msg dpkg debian clone" for an older method that doesn't care about which packages were installed automatically as dependencies |
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| 15:45.05 | william_ha | stew justin et. al. just a quick update to who was helping me before. from the pointers you gave me I now have dmz servers showing. used proxyarp with shorewall. THANKS!!! now to get internal connected :) |
| 15:45.31 | klamanet | hi, command to list files with created date? |
| 15:45.47 | xeon-enouf | no creation time/date |
| 15:46.00 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: yes |
| 15:46.30 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am using squeeze and after a recent update switching workspaces in gnome is now crawling that it takes like 10 seconds to render the screen. intel 945GM display card on a dell. any insights ? |
| 15:46.38 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: unix FSs don't have a 'creation' time/date, there's ctime, mtime, atime |
| 15:46.43 | xeon-enouf | !ctime |
| 15:46.44 | dpkg | UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
| 15:47.01 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: du -sh * --time? |
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| 15:47.18 | xeon-enouf | find + one-of-the-above |
| 15:47.25 | aucabarcas | jelly: thank you. |
| 15:47.42 | jelly | tux3 author was toying with implementing creation time |
| 15:48.00 | yaaar | got any mailman gurus around here? I've been running it for a while, and I've got a guy setup with a couple of lists on it, but so far I've been unable to get mailman to allow him to send HTML emails. I turned off the "strip html" option via the web interface, but it still doesn't work. Then I get this weird email from him: |
| 15:48.04 | yaaar | I âthinkâ I know how to set up the HTML is the Mailman program ... maybe. But I need to either find an aloof file or âstart over.â |
| 15:48.07 | klamanet | xeon-enouf: modifidy date, no created. I didn't know that about unix. WOW |
| 15:48.12 | yaaar | So...I googled 'mailman aloof' and found exactly zilch. Does anyone know what this "aloof file" might be? Or is he just cracked? |
| 15:48.28 | xeon-enouf | klamanet: them find and -mtime option see http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/ctime_atime_mtime.html |
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| 15:48.36 | xeon-enouf | s/them/then |
| 15:49.22 | xeon-enouf | try /msg dpkg using find klamanet and man find |
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| 15:52.45 | exn | can anybody say why it works only for one interface ? http://pastie.org/629089 |
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| 15:58.26 | valdyn | exn: maybe if you showed the complete config then someone could |
| 15:58.58 | the-dude | exn: did you enable both interfaces in /etc/default/dhcpd? |
| 15:59.12 | the-dude | /etc/default/dhcpd3-server |
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| 16:00.13 | valdyn | the default ( no interface set ) works too |
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| 16:01.48 | santux | Que p2 manuelito andas por ahi |
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| 16:02.13 | chellomere | !es |
| 16:02.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:02.42 | santux | dont worry only i was hello a friend |
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| 16:05.01 | sepult | oi oi oi, running qemu garbles even my X display |
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| 16:05.13 | sepult | any way around that ? |
| 16:05.15 | softlite | |
| 16:05.15 | softlite | such, someone can help me with a firewall, I have problems understanding XD, or any book? recommended? |
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| 16:06.02 | Dumb0 | softlite, No Starch Press Linux Firewalls |
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| 16:07.21 | santux | I had a problem installing debina lenny o squeeze en una dell 1440 inspiron |
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| 16:07.46 | NoCode | Netfilter firewall: ufw with gufw as the front end. :P Nothing more easier than that. |
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| 16:08.26 | Dumb0 | easier firewall configuration is risky ! |
| 16:08.36 | Dumb0 | I prefer doing that manually |
| 16:08.54 | santux | recognizes the network card to them and assign either ip dhcp and manual |
| 16:09.14 | santux | but when downloaded from the mirrors does not download and check error |
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| 16:11.18 | CocoO | Helolo there , i would like to know why my ssh hangs when i type ssh test@192.168.0.1 "/etc/init.d/mydaemon start" |
| 16:11.33 | santux | :O |
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| 16:14.06 | softlite | Dumb0 thanks I will read more |
| 16:14.07 | project2501a | question: if i was to create a library of my own, but i wanted everybody in the system to access it, where should i stick it under? /usr/lib ? |
| 16:15.06 | project2501a | (according to the linux filesystem hierarchy-thingie) |
| 16:16.44 | Dumb0 | project2501a, usually all the things developed by the admin must be located under : /usr/local directory.. so for your example the logical place is : /usr/local/lib |
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| 16:17.40 | project2501a | Dumb0: cool. the thing is that i'm gonna take the baseball bat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwrite a gentle email to the BASH folks and tell them that i have written std libraries for bash :) |
| 16:18.04 | project2501a | "will you please include them in the distro, i'm freaking tired of writing the same code over and over" |
| 16:18.41 | Hideme | aptitude was timing out with a "waiting for headers" message so I changed the mirror only to still have the issue. Any suggestions? |
| 16:18.47 | Dumb0 | go ahead :P |
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| 16:24.13 | jetscreamer | use apt-get |
| 16:24.26 | jetscreamer | see if the problem persists |
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| 16:24.45 | jetscreamer | ping the repo |
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| 16:31.04 | unknown_user | hi everybody |
| 16:31.15 | unknown_user | could you recommend some app to manage by web a debian server? add accounts, change passwds, config services, etc. |
| 16:31.26 | unknown_user | ispconfig? webmin? other? |
| 16:31.33 | Buglouse | unknown_user: Webmin |
| 16:32.07 | Buglouse | unknown_user: Or maybe the best.. SSH/Shell of your choice(TCSH/CSH/SH). |
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| 16:34.47 | unknown_user | looking for a web-based integral GUI solution....webmin seems to be the answer...i've never used it so i'm trying to decide if there is an alternative to it to explore or compare |
| 16:36.00 | asg | !webmin |
| 16:36.01 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 16:36.27 | NoCode | check out ebox too, not sure if it's Ubuntu specific or not |
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| 16:37.59 | Buglouse | would love to replace webmin with a ruby equiv.. |
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| 16:39.07 | adb | Buglouse, there is the ruby equiv..? |
| 16:39.26 | unknown_user | so.. there's no safe alternative to webmin? |
| 16:39.43 | unknown_user | ebox maybe? |
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| 16:40.48 | Buglouse | adb: ey? |
| 16:41.26 | aibo | hi, I need php sockets module support, how can I add it to my php (5.2.8) ? |
| 16:41.30 | Buglouse | unknown_user: Why is a GUI necessary? |
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| 16:53.03 | chops1 | unknown_user: What are you trying to administer? What functions is your server going to perform? |
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| 16:55.39 | arunix | ? |
| 16:55.50 | arunix | anyone here |
| 16:56.06 | clarjon1 | unknown_user: I highly recommend webmin. |
| 16:56.20 | WormFood | no arunix, nobody is here |
| 16:56.27 | arunix | why? |
| 16:56.37 | _Brandon_ | hi, I was trying autofs but I guess I did something wrong, now all fs are unmounted except /, dev is almost empty and I can't mount proc anymore it says wrong fs, I don't want to reboot because I don't have physical access right now, what can I do? |
| 16:56.37 | jimcooncat | 947 users aren't here |
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| 16:57.21 | WormFood | what the fuck is the deal with my console fonts/screen size? every fuckin' time I upgrade it changes it (ok, not *every time*, but it is frustrating) |
| 16:57.41 | WormFood | can anyone point me to the docs for changing that, before I go insane? |
| 16:57.47 | jimcooncat | _Brandon_: just use the mount command? |
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| 16:58.08 | _Brandon_ | jimcooncat: well as i said /dev/ is almost empty now |
| 16:58.18 | _Brandon_ | I can't start udev because proc isn't mounted and I can't mount it |
| 16:58.32 | cheako_ | any libhal-ers? I need to have a new blu-ray drive report as libhal_device_get_property_bool "storage.removable" |
| 16:58.54 | jimcooncat | _Brandon_: beyond my expertise. Anyone else want a crack at this? |
| 16:59.12 | cheako_ | For wine:171 http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=blob;f=dlls/mountmgr.sys/hal.c;h=82a70e9bfae3ec2f4e31a311aeeefd9ff41e8ff9;hb=HEAD |
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| 17:00.05 | cheako_ | Also I need to verify that my current cdrom always passes the test. |
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| 17:01.25 | chops1 | WormFood: Are you talking about the text console? Are you using a framebuffer? What would you like it to be? |
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| 17:03.41 | mesa_booger | WormFood: you might want to look at console-tools, console-setup, kbd packages |
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| 17:05.48 | WormFood | text console |
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| 17:05.58 | WormFood | I don't like framebuffer |
| 17:06.20 | WormFood | I set my font...there is a config file (forget which one) ,where I can set the font for each window |
| 17:06.30 | WormFood | this was set a long time ago, and has been working |
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| 17:08.12 | Titan8990 | WormFood, sure you can adjust fonts without a framebuffer? |
| 17:08.58 | chops1 | Titan8990: You can (generally you'll see a "skip" immediately after boot when the BIOS font gets replaced by the Linux VGA font) |
| 17:09.17 | WormFood | of course, I've been using 80x50 and 100x40 text resolutions for over 20 years on the pc |
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| 17:09.52 | chops1 | WormFood: "Each window"... I never have VGA console sizes change suddenly on me. When do they change and what do they change to? How did you set up the nonstandard sizes? |
| 17:09.57 | Titan8990 | chops1, and... changing that font to something else is possible w/o a fb driver? |
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| 17:10.43 | chops1 | Titan8990: Well, sure, anything's possible :-). I remember noticing way back when when my lowercase Ls suddenly turned curly at the top and bottom to distinguish them from number ones. |
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| 17:11.09 | WormFood | chops1, pass your kernel the "vga=ask" option, and pick a higher than 80x25 resolution, and see what happens |
| 17:11.09 | chops1 | Titan8990: It's probably not simple or worthwhile for end-users, but that's not what he's talking about |
| 17:11.10 | chops1 | WormFood: Not on a Debian machine and not in a position to reboot, sorry |
| 17:11.10 | Titan8990 | chops1, i am not an end user |
| 17:11.18 | WormFood | somewhere in the boot process, your mode is set back to 80x25 |
| 17:11.56 | chops1 | WormFood: Can you track down where in the boot process? It might be worth a bug report against the offending package; it does sound like higher-than-normal VGA console resolutions are something Debian should support (I also hate framebuffer consoles, FWIW) |
| 17:12.15 | WormFood | I think they introduced lodable text fonts with VGA |
| 17:12.55 | chops1 | Titan8990: Never said you were :-) |
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| 17:14.02 | nokeyboard | still no keyboard input, i tried the suggestions in http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5503604.html |
| 17:14.26 | mesa_booger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.28 | WormFood | chops1, it can support higher resolutions, but you have to manually set it somewhere in the config files |
| 17:15.40 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, you should try to find debian docs... |
| 17:15.59 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, configuring xserver in gentoo is quite different than in debian, especially if you don't already know what your doing |
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| 17:16.40 | chops1 | WormFood: Okay, so what's the problem? The resolution you request isn't being set correctly after an update? |
| 17:17.15 | nokeyboard | Titan8990: nvm, wrong channel, should have been the ubuntu+1 one |
| 17:17.46 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, do you use debian at all? |
| 17:17.49 | WormFood | I remember some program written for dos, that required vga, and loaded a font that made the letters look slightly cursive....and sometimes when the program crashed, it'd leave that font in memory, and dos would use it.....looked kinda cool back in the day |
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| 17:18.18 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: :-p |
| 17:18.35 | nokeyboard | Titan8990: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 17:18.44 | xeon-enouf | WormFood: it used to be set in /etc/console{-tools}/config |
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| 17:19.02 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 17:19.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:19.08 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, not supported here |
| 17:19.14 | Titan8990 | makes a note of nokeyboard |
| 17:19.21 | xeon-enouf | but IINM, console-date is/was replaced with console-setup (dpkg-reconfigure it/them) |
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| 17:20.13 | mesa_booger | console-setup is the New Improved Way |
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| 17:20.39 | nokeyboard | Titan8990: i am sorry, i mixed up channels, i am not on my normal pc and normal irc client, because my normal pc has keyboard input issues in X |
| 17:21.19 | nokeyboard | i joined this channel just to check the topic |
| 17:21.34 | xeon-enouf | _Brandon_: if you can't mount proc, something is really bad/wrong there |
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| 17:22.17 | _Brandon_ | xeon-enouf: I rebooted and it worked :p I did something bad with autofs trying to mount to / |
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| 17:22.28 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: yes, i believe /etc/default/console-setup is the new kid on the block |
| 17:22.28 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, its no prob but we do get the occasional user that lies and say they use debian... until we exhaust our knowledge before finding out that the problem is some ubuntu specific crap and the user was using buntu the whole time.... |
| 17:22.38 | Titan8990 | nokeyboard, can be aggravating |
| 17:22.52 | cirwin | I would like to install two copies of OpenJDK, can I do this with apt, given that they don't seem to provide a binary download? |
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| 17:23.28 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: my window manager just crashed so i might suddenly vanish ... |
| 17:23.49 | xeon-enouf | cirwin: compile oneand install it into /usr/local, /opt, or /home/username/somewhere |
| 17:23.57 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: heh |
| 17:24.12 | cirwin | hrm, the only build tool they provide requires a graphical confirmation dialog |
| 17:24.22 | xeon-enouf | !openjdk |
| 17:24.22 | dpkg | OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:25.01 | helo | for some reason exim on this server is running as UID 113, which is associated with no user |
| 17:25.01 | xeon-enouf | man o man, this java crap is getting out of hand! .. heh |
| 17:25.17 | xeon-enouf | helo: sure that's not port # :-) |
| 17:25.22 | xeon-enouf | identd? |
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| 17:25.35 | ret | uh |
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| 17:25.42 | ret | Debian won't read my iPod even as a USB device |
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| 17:25.45 | ret | it was working fine yesterday |
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| 17:26.10 | xeon-enouf | ret: ok, we give up, what did you do to break it? |
| 17:26.13 | ret | D: |
| 17:26.17 | ret | idkkkkk ;-; |
| 17:26.21 | petemc | helo: it should be running as Debian-exim |
| 17:26.22 | ret | also, be back in a bit. dentist. |
| 17:26.44 | nokeyboard | (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard |
| 17:26.55 | nokeyboard | (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD) |
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| 17:27.13 | mesa_booger | just for the record, i'm running debian unstable here. you can tell cos everything keeps breaking haha |
| 17:27.20 | nokeyboard | oops, wrong chan again, bye |
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| 17:27.46 | Hideme | aptitude was timing out with a "waiting for headers" message so I changed the mirror only to still have the issue. Any suggestions? |
| 17:28.43 | xeon-enouf | Hideme: does all other net work fine otherwise? |
| 17:29.05 | Hideme | xeon-enouf: yes. |
| 17:29.15 | xeon-enouf | Hideme: perhaps you have a proxy? (check /etc/apt/apt.conf and .d/*) try another mirror? |
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| 17:29.24 | Hideme | xeon-enouf: I think the apt cache might need to be flushed... but dunno how to do that. |
| 17:29.34 | xeon-enouf | echo $http_proxy ; echo $HTTP_PROXY |
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| 17:29.44 | xeon-enouf | Hideme: try apt-get :-P |
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| 17:29.53 | Hideme | xeon-enouf: I have... same message. |
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| 17:30.11 | themill | since they both use libapt for that, that's not really surprising |
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| 17:30.34 | mesa_booger | i forgot i had an xterm running behind this xchat window, but there was no way to get to it, since kwin crashed |
| 17:30.36 | xeon-enouf | strace the sucker ... tcpdump that b**ch :-P |
| 17:30.54 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: hahaha |
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| 17:31.15 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i recall being able to reload kwin ; kdeinit kwin or something |
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| 17:31.23 | xeon-enouf | (kde 3.x.x) |
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| 17:32.03 | mesa_booger | i just typed "kwin" and it came back, but i think i'll restart soon, cos i've done shedloads of upgrades without leaving the desktop ... |
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| 17:35.35 | chops1 | Hideme: Are you using http.us.debian.org or similar? |
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| 17:35.35 | datacrusher | hi everyone. iv installed an webserver here, but iv setted the /var partition too little, since the /var/www is the main folder for the web files, but i got plenty of room on my /home partition. Is there a way to resize /var and /home partitions after the system is up? i dont wanna reinstall the whole party |
| 17:35.54 | chops1 | Hideme: Sometimes a mirror goes down, and when you get unlucky in the DNS round-robin, things stop working. If you're currently using one of those mirrors try using netselect to pick a specific mirror instead. |
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| 17:36.19 | simonrvn | datacrusher: with lvm yes |
| 17:36.39 | xeon-enouf | datacrusher: just symlink it? |
| 17:36.47 | simonrvn | datacrusher: and an fs that supports both resize and shrink |
| 17:36.55 | datacrusher | i use ext3 in both |
| 17:36.57 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, can only resize a live filesystem via LVM |
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| 17:37.06 | Titan8990 | well, sorry, PARTITION |
| 17:37.13 | Titan8990 | tune2fs will resize the filesystem |
| 17:37.14 | xeon-enouf | that's not .. ok :-P |
| 17:37.21 | xeon-enouf | resize2fs |
| 17:37.35 | Titan8990 | lol, yeah, was in the middle of correcting myself a 2nd time.... |
| 17:37.44 | xeon-enouf | ;-) |
| 17:38.08 | simonrvn | datacrusher: ext3 qualifies; is it lvm'd already? |
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| 17:38.20 | Hideme | chops1: is netselect a command? |
| 17:38.22 | datacrusher | i dont think so.. just installed the system |
| 17:38.30 | datacrusher | about 5 hours im on this server |
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| 17:38.39 | Hideme | chops1: columbia.edu |
| 17:38.52 | datacrusher | im installing ojs and ocs academic sistems, wich are online portals. but the /var with 8gb would be too little to it |
| 17:38.59 | simonrvn | datacrusher: did you ask for it during the install? ;) |
| 17:39.20 | datacrusher | would the symlinks work, or i should think about resing the partitions? |
| 17:39.42 | chops1 | Hideme: Okay, so you're using a specific mirror. Can you ping that mirror or access it via a web browser? Yes, netselect is a command (but if you're already using columbia.edu then you don't need it) |
| 17:39.43 | datacrusher | simonrvn it asked me on the installation, i choosed all manually, but dont remember about LVM stuff |
| 17:39.46 | Titan8990 | 5hrs after deployment... just backup and redo the partition table |
| 17:40.06 | Hideme | chops1: yes can ping and access it. |
| 17:40.17 | simonrvn | symlinking the dirs should generally work, but if you're using apache, you probably want to use the suexec custom stuff |
| 17:40.26 | simonrvn | datacrusher: ^^^ |
| 17:40.32 | datacrusher | im using mysql, apache2 and php5 |
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| 17:40.54 | datacrusher | the portal is just fine now.. but if i publish it and when it gets operational surely the size will give me trouble |
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| 17:41.04 | datacrusher | about 2gb left only |
| 17:41.14 | chops1 | Hideme: Strange. Try using strace and tcpdump to see what exactly happens when apt is hanging. Or switch to another mirror and see if that fixes things so you can stop thinking about it :-). |
| 17:41.28 | simonrvn | datacrusher: likely, esp. if you allow uploads. |
| 17:41.28 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, so backup and redo it before you deploy |
| 17:41.56 | simonrvn | i second that; make sure to use lvm this time ;). |
| 17:41.57 | Thms | Hello, I was using my logitech clicksmart 420 with the GSPCA driver which worked really good before the 2.6.30 kernel, now I use V4L2 and sunplus but my webcam now only a produce a really black unusable image, and can't set up everything I could before in Amsn |
| 17:42.01 | datacrusher | Titan8990, you mean backup the mysql databases, all the folder and reinstall the system? |
| 17:42.07 | linuxguy2009 | Id like to install Debian to my netbook and I dont yet have an external optical drive. I tried using netbootin to put the normal ISO to a flash drive but I ran into some install issues. Is there a seperate ISO for flashdrive usage? |
| 17:42.16 | Hideme | chops1: All the pacakges now give a warning in aptitude. "untrusted source". |
| 17:42.29 | datacrusher | how do i check if im already using lvm? dont remenber this step on the debian installation |
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| 17:42.33 | datacrusher | iv installed lenny 64 |
| 17:42.34 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 17:42.54 | simonrvn | datacrusher: ls -l /dev/mapper/ see anything? |
| 17:42.59 | mesa_booger | Hideme: have you importing the apt key(s) ? |
| 17:43.02 | wuffi600 | on lenny amd64 i find the following in the logs: "Sep 24 18:50:31 eliot kernel: [ 107.664551] warning: `ntpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)" |
| 17:43.04 | datacrusher | wait a sec |
| 17:43.05 | wuffi600 | What is it about? |
| 17:43.06 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, backup the entire filesystem, repartiton, restore filesystem |
| 17:43.12 | simonrvn | datacrusher: other than control |
| 17:43.27 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, surely you have a system recovery plan? |
| 17:43.31 | Hideme | mesa_booger: No... never had to before on a clean install. |
| 17:43.56 | wuffi600 | Isn't ntpd only using amd64 compiled binaries on lenny amd64? |
| 17:44.22 | mesa_booger | Hideme: is your /etc/apt/sources.list clean too ? |
| 17:44.26 | simonrvn | Hideme: apttude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:44.40 | Hideme | mesa_booger: Yes. |
| 17:44.41 | datacrusher | simonrvn, no, i got nothing on this /dev/mapper |
| 17:44.55 | datacrusher | Titan8990, no... i dont |
| 17:44.59 | simonrvn | datacrusher: then you aren't ("in this") |
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| 17:45.59 | datacrusher | simonrvn, well, as for recovery i was planning doing a mysql export, and backup the /www folder |
| 17:46.17 | datacrusher | if the system crashes i got this from the file server, and reinstall a server, and upload this backup |
| 17:46.19 | simonrvn | that should do |
| 17:46.23 | linuxguy2009 | It it simply impossible to install Debian from a flashdrive? |
| 17:46.29 | datacrusher | an entire system backup i didnt thought of |
| 17:46.43 | Hideme | simonrvn: nothing was updated and still gives the warning. |
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| 17:46.45 | datacrusher | linuxguy2009, no, on debian site theres plenty of soltuions for smal cds, flash drivers |
| 17:46.49 | simonrvn | no, it is possible. the hardware has to support it though. |
| 17:46.52 | datacrusher | check the debian site |
| 17:46.53 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, its very easy, especially if there are no changes to drive letters |
| 17:47.08 | simonrvn | Hideme: apt-key list; see anything? |
| 17:47.08 | datacrusher | brb |
| 17:47.10 | Titan8990 | datacrusher, or UUIDs if thats what your using |
| 17:47.19 | simonrvn | drive letters? |
| 17:47.29 | simonrvn | wrong os dude ;) |
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| 17:47.38 | linuxguy2009 | datacrusher: Ok thanks I wasnt sure if there were seperate images for this use or what. Ill take a look around again. |
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| 17:47.44 | Simkin | hey guys |
| 17:47.48 | Hideme | simonrvn: yes |
| 17:47.49 | Simkin | i'm a little new to debian |
| 17:47.55 | Simkin | but i've been using linux for ages. |
| 17:48.07 | Simkin | but i've come across a really weird problem, I have php5 installed, and the php5-gd package is installed |
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| 17:48.32 | Simkin | but i keep gettin an error message call to undefined function imagecreatfromjpeg() |
| 17:48.40 | Simkin | am i missing a step somewher? |
| 17:48.47 | simonrvn | is it enabled? |
| 17:49.01 | Simkin | how do i check? |
| 17:49.07 | simonrvn | ls -l /etc/php5*/conf.d |
| 17:49.22 | simonrvn | should see a gd.ini in there |
| 17:49.28 | Simkin | it is there |
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| 17:49.31 | Simkin | first line is a comment |
| 17:49.37 | Simkin | second line is extension=gd.so |
| 17:49.39 | simonrvn | erm, sorry /etc/php5/*/conf.d/ |
| 17:49.50 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 17:49.52 | Simkin | i'm in the apachd2 dir right now |
| 17:49.55 | Simkin | it is there |
| 17:50.01 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:50.33 | Simkin | and gd.so exists in /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so |
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| 17:50.41 | Simkin | will it find it there? |
| 17:50.51 | simonrvn | should yes |
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| 17:51.34 | datacrusher | linuxguy2009, http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:52.11 | datacrusher | Titan8990, well, is there another way to just resize the partitions, install lvm and whatsoever? |
| 17:52.52 | aibo | Ð²Ñ ÐµÐ±Ð°Ð½ÑлиÑÑ |
| 17:52.56 | Simkin | oh, it's fixew! |
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| 17:53.15 | Simkin | i'm not really sure what i did to fix it though |
| 17:53.18 | Simkin | but i restarted apache |
| 17:53.20 | Simkin | and now it works |
| 17:53.24 | chops1 | !ru |
| 17:53.24 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:55.14 | Hideme | simonrvn: further suggestions? |
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| 17:58.40 | chops1 | unknown_user: For administering all those things you really don't want something web-based. What organization are you doing this for? |
| 17:58.48 | unknown_user | chops1: my server has to perfom dns, web, proxy, postfix w/spamassassin & clamAV, eGroupWare, filesharing, bacula |
| 17:59.14 | unknown_user | a university lab, at chile |
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| 17:59.25 | unknown_user | for about 60 ppl |
| 17:59.37 | Titan8990 | unknown_user, what distro are you using? |
| 17:59.44 | Titan8990 | why were asking the same thing in #gentoo? |
| 17:59.46 | unknown_user | lenny |
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| 18:00.16 | simonrvn | Hideme: did you update? should work normally if you do. |
| 18:00.19 | Titan8990 | unknown_user, sorry, it was this channel earlier.... |
| 18:00.24 | Titan8990 | !webmin |
| 18:00.25 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:00.34 | unknown_user | haha, thats right |
| 18:02.34 | chops1 | unknown_user: How much experience do you have with server administration? No offense, but I'm assuming it's not too much if you're hoping for webmin :-), and that's a pretty complex setup. |
| 18:02.39 | Polarina | What's wrong with webmin? |
| 18:02.58 | simonrvn | you wanna list? |
| 18:03.17 | Polarina | simonrvn: Yes, please. |
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| 18:04.12 | unknown_user | chops1, titan8990: i've been managing it by console for about 3 months now, but have another similar server just running the mail stuff and web, over ispconfig2 and is just way faster to change some regular things, like adding ussers, redirecting sites, managing dns records |
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| 18:04.53 | unknown_user | chops1: i have just 3 months experience :) |
| 18:05.06 | Titan8990 | then stick with it.... |
| 18:05.18 | chops1 | unknown_user: Okay, makes sense. I'd recommend making scripts to handle the regular things that turn out to be time-consuming instead of using webmin or some such. You'll have much fewer headaches in the long run. |
| 18:05.22 | Titan8990 | when i got to my current position I rewrote all our docs to use ssh isntead of webmin |
| 18:05.34 | Titan8990 | everything now is faster, more clear, and more secure |
| 18:05.40 | Titan8990 | ssh == win |
| 18:05.43 | unknown_user | was looking for a bunch of alternatives to try & decide, nothing more... |
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| 18:05.55 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 18:05.59 | d-b | unknown_user: puppet |
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| 18:06.09 | justin | puppet ftw:) |
| 18:06.16 | chops1 | unknown_user: E.g. at my old work I had a script to add users to all of the various applications and a script to change users' passwords in all of the various applications. You could have a script to set up a templated web directory with appropriate DNS records, and so on. |
| 18:06.19 | d-b | !puppet |
| 18:06.31 | chops1 | unknown_user: Of course, that doesn't necessarily make sense for you... but webmin is not the way to go. |
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| 18:07.13 | d-b | dpkg: puppet |
| 18:07.13 | dpkg | d-b: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:07.15 | ranix | webmin is shite |
| 18:07.23 | simonrvn | Polarina: insecure by default; rewrites configs to the point where they break, and don't do what you expect; encourages bad habits of not checking configs and file permissions (for instance); relying on a "control panel" type setup for things that should be done via editor; there's other things that bug me about it, but i don't recall (and yes i have tried it, a LONG time ago). |
| 18:07.44 | mesa_booger | ranix: good scots word that |
| 18:08.09 | ranix | fittingly descriptive also |
| 18:08.26 | chops1 | Polarina: "This hammer is too hard to use. If only I had a jackhammer instead, I bet I could get this house built in no time." webmin is the jackhammer. |
| 18:08.37 | Polarina | simonrvn: I can understand. I only use webmin to configure iptables (I am a noob) and fix ssh if it breaks. |
| 18:08.47 | mesa_booger | in fact, only bams and radges use webmin |
| 18:08.54 | ranix | http://www.yawiktionary.com/s/1148372888114.html |
| 18:09.01 | simonrvn | Polarina: there's much better iptables frontends for that. |
| 18:09.04 | sylar | say, if I dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/sylar/disk.image, and later I want to mount from disk.image sda2, what do I do? |
| 18:09.13 | Polarina | simonrvn: Please, let me know of one. :D |
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| 18:09.25 | simonrvn | Polarina: shorewall, ferm, ipmasq (for simple things) |
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| 18:09.44 | ranix | I find the numpties and bawbags tend to use webmin |
| 18:09.52 | simonrvn | i have my own script, but ferm converted it to its format for me, which rocks. |
| 18:10.04 | mesa_booger | ranix: my only quibble is in describing scotland as a district of northern england. hehe |
| 18:10.06 | simonrvn | (from the iptables-save dump) |
| 18:10.08 | woshty | do official install images for usb sticks exist? |
| 18:10.18 | unknown_user | ok, i've understood the idea, thnx you all |
| 18:10.20 | simonrvn | woshty: i do believe so, yes |
| 18:10.26 | omnydevi | i need a some help guys, i was told to come here. i am having trouble with my windows xp computer. it boots but then just freezes on the logo screen and the blue bar just locks up. any ideas? |
| 18:10.33 | datacrusher | simonrvn, iv found this http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions, but seems a lot complicated. im thinking about the backup and reinstalling the entire system. How do i ched tho use lvm on the new fresh install? |
| 18:10.50 | omnydevi | i got it off thepiratebay |
| 18:11.04 | d-b | Polarina: use shorewall\ |
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| 18:11.07 | datacrusher | omnydevi, try asking on ##windows |
| 18:11.10 | simonrvn | datacrusher: using the auto setup, and selecting lvm should do it (or manual + lvm) |
| 18:11.14 | omnydevi | will do, thank you datacrusher |
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| 18:11.19 | mesa_booger | omnydevi: yeah. dial 1-800-arrest-me |
| 18:11.25 | simonrvn | omnydevi: wrong channel |
| 18:11.36 | justin | that's not even a good troll |
| 18:11.37 | d-b | \ |
| 18:11.38 | datacrusher | or 1-800-bill-helpdesk |
| 18:11.39 | Polarina | d-b: Thanks. |
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| 18:11.47 | simonrvn | omnydevi: and pirated s/w on this network will get you k:lined |
| 18:12.21 | ranix | .talk like a pirate |
| 18:12.28 | ranix | ah wrong channel |
| 18:12.30 | cyzie | hi, how do we allow ssh into a box without allow the user to see any other directory? |
| 18:12.33 | Buck | arrr |
| 18:12.42 | omnydevi | ranix: there is a channel for that? |
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| 18:12.47 | Buck | cyzie: chroot them |
| 18:13.01 | ranix | omnydevi: debian-offtopic's bot is controlled by . instead of ! |
| 18:13.01 | cyzie | buck, thought so. any other way? |
| 18:13.04 | ranix | !talk like a pirate |
| 18:13.04 | dpkg | No, nay, ne'er I be doing that! |
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| 18:13.22 | Buck | cyzie: chroot is the only true safe way |
| 18:13.27 | cyzie | mm ok |
| 18:13.34 | simonrvn | TLAPD was the 19 ;) |
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| 18:13.38 | Buck | unless someone cares to correct me |
| 18:13.40 | ranix | it's possible to break a chroot on the occasion |
| 18:13.55 | omnydevi | thanks for the help mates, sorry to bother, be well |
| 18:14.10 | cyzie | then it is not chroot |
| 18:14.10 | chops1 | sylar: mount -o loop |
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| 18:14.23 | simonrvn | cyzie: http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ |
| 18:14.53 | cyzie | nice |
| 18:14.56 | cyzie | i will look into it |
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| 18:15.13 | simonrvn | i checked it yesterday (the script), seems ok |
| 18:15.18 | sylar | chops1, but that is if the image is of the partition, no? not the whole disk, no? |
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| 18:15.43 | simonrvn | though the variables i'd set them like ${FOO} and not $FOO |
| 18:16.06 | simonrvn | (some are though, so it isn't consistent) |
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| 18:16.34 | chops1 | sylar: Oh, for that I'm not sure. If you have the space you could dd just the appropriate section of the disk into a separate file :-) |
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| 18:17.30 | sylar | chops1, ok |
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| 18:21.55 | linuxguy2009 | So is the netinstall image the only way for installing from a flash device? |
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| 18:22.16 | justin | linuxguy2009: no. |
| 18:22.30 | linuxguy2009 | I must be missing something somewhere |
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| 18:23.06 | linuxguy2009 | linuxguy2009: Happen to have any personal experience with this? |
| 18:23.10 | linuxguy2009 | oops |
| 18:23.18 | linuxguy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.28 | ranix | you can use the netinstall image and just modify your sources.list |
| 18:23.33 | justin | it's all covered in the install guide |
| 18:23.48 | justin | you can put the iso on the disk image and the installer will find it and use that for .debs |
| 18:23.58 | ranix | i.e. deb file instead of deb cdrom or deb http |
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| 18:27.50 | fm_ | I recently updated a server from Debian 3.0 to 4.0 and Tomcat4 just stopped working. It is not longer running and when I try to launch it from init.d it doesn't start but I don't get any error message at all. Looking for where to start to get Tomcat running again... |
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| 18:29.04 | stew | fm_: tomcat4 isn't even in debian 4.0, afaik |
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| 18:29.26 | stew | fm_: can you switch to debian 5 and tomcat 5? (the currently supported versions)? |
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| 18:30.05 | fm_ | stew: well yes if that is the recommended/only way. This was a stable server that has just been running Debian3 & Tomcat4 for years |
| 18:30.15 | grazymax | hi all |
| 18:30.20 | stew | fm_: did you skip 3.1? |
| 18:30.30 | datacrusher | fm_, im on this same boat.. to crash it only needs to be working |
| 18:30.36 | fm_ | stew I believe I did, yes |
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| 18:30.43 | datacrusher | im deployng a new debian 5 install, so ill migrate the old server to this one |
| 18:30.52 | stew | fm_: its certainly recommended to upgrade within a year when a new stable release comes out |
| 18:31.02 | fm_ | datacrusher: what did you mean "to crash it only needs to be working"? |
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| 18:31.12 | stew | dpkg: release history |
| 18:31.12 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
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| 18:31.16 | fm_ | stew: ah, legacy systems... |
| 18:31.23 | stew | fm_: so 3.0 become EOL in 2006 |
| 18:31.27 | datacrusher | fm_, if its working, it can broke. a broked think cant brake again |
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| 18:31.31 | datacrusher | sorry for the english btw |
| 18:31.37 | fm_ | lol datacrusher |
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| 18:31.42 | datacrusher | justa joke |
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| 18:31.58 | datacrusher | but, a huge price for me not to updated early... |
| 18:32.08 | fm_ | I am really preplexed however why the init.d/tomcat4 startup script doesn't even return an error message |
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| 18:32.48 | stew | fm_: run "bash -x /etc/init.d/tomcat4 start" and show us the output |
| 18:32.55 | fm_ | Also and more importantly, do I need to confirm that our Java app will work flawlessly under TOmcat5 as it did on Tomcat4? |
| 18:33.03 | stew | fm_: yes |
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| 18:33.23 | qnn | debian is really good |
| 18:33.27 | qnn | AND FAN |
| 18:34.25 | fm_ | stew: output of above cmmd: http://pastebin.com/d19d15faf |
| 18:34.59 | stew | fm_: so tomcat4 doesn't start becuase it isn't installed |
| 18:35.20 | fm_ | stew: please explain? |
| 18:35.32 | MikeH | Anyone around have any experience with RT Kernel patch? |
| 18:35.34 | fm_ | obviously the upgrade borked something, was working fine up until that day |
| 18:35.39 | stew | fm_: tomcat4 cannot start, becuase its not installed |
| 18:35.49 | stew | fm_: what version does "apt-cache policy tomcat4" say for "Installed:" |
| 18:35.55 | justin | fm_: do you have an /etc/init.d/tomcat4.dpkg-dist ? |
| 18:35.59 | fm_ | stew which line on that output indicates this? |
| 18:36.03 | stew | fm_: i'm going to guess it got removed when you upgraded from 3.0 to 4.0 since it isn't in 4.0 |
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| 18:36.19 | stew | fm_: i'm guessing that it exits because "test -f /usr/share/tomcat4/bin/catalina.sh" fails |
| 18:36.29 | stew | fm_: what does "ls -l /usr/share/tomcat4/bin/catalina.sh" return? |
| 18:36.30 | fm_ | stew holy crap it says installed none candidate none |
| 18:36.53 | wols | kinda obvious since there is no tomcat4 anymore in debian as stew pointed out above |
| 18:37.02 | fm_ | stew yes you are probably correct and that is exactly what I was looking for, just wasn't letting myself see it |
| 18:37.05 | fm_ | crap. |
| 18:37.20 | stew | fm_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tomcat4/news/20060805T141143Z.html tomcat4 was removed a little over 3 years ago |
| 18:37.24 | fm_ | no such file of coruse for catalina.sh |
| 18:38.05 | fm_ | so now I have a rock and a hard place, I need to upgrade to Tomcat5, but first I have to confirm the company's sole legacy app actually will run under tomcat5 |
| 18:38.20 | stew | fm_: or you have to install tomcat4 |
| 18:38.35 | stew | fm_: (and see what security vulnerabilities exist, and possibly patch them by hand) |
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| 18:38.40 | fm_ | stew: right, from the tarball |
| 18:39.13 | stew | fm_: probably, or from archives.debian.org, but all that is going to be a pain, you really should be upgrading to something current and supported |
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| 18:39.44 | fm_ | yes, this is a legacy app, and is only needed sporadically for ancient reporting |
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| 18:40.14 | fm_ | stew I appreciate all the help and clarification! thanks. |
| 18:40.59 | TPC | hello, I'm trying to run a 32-bit binary on my amd64 system, the problem is that it needs libao which isn't in ia32-libs, is there a ia32-libs-libao2 deb somewhere, or do I have to compile it manually? |
| 18:41.03 | stew | fm_: you're welcome, good luck :) |
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| 18:50.15 | HellMind | Which files I need to have the /etc/host resolution method enabled on my chroot environment? |
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| 18:51.29 | chellomere | HellMind, do you mind making that a complete question, please? |
| 18:52.39 | HellMind | What I forget ? |
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| 18:53.10 | HellMind | Which libs/files I need, to use the /etc/host resolution method enabled on my chroot environment? |
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| 18:53.34 | wols | resolver is part of libc. other files could be /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 18:53.52 | HellMind | ty wols I didnt have nsswitch |
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| 18:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, really? |
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| 19:11.58 | HellMind | :) |
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| 19:13.00 | CodyJJ | Is there a repository of very, very, very old .deb packages? |
| 19:13.09 | CodyJJ | I have a need for glibc 2.1 and I can't get it to compile on its own :P |
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| 19:13.31 | dondelelcaro | CodyJJ: if we ever distributed it in a release, you can find it on archive.debian.org |
| 19:13.31 | petemc | CodyJJ: archive.debian.org |
| 19:13.52 | CodyJJ | thanks |
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| 19:19.02 | PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn | anyone know how to reinstate gnome-networkmanager after having replaced it with wicd (which didn't work) |
| 19:19.40 | chops1 | PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: How did you replace it? |
| 19:19.49 | PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn | synaptic |
| 19:19.51 | eggmanpete | anyone know why 'Adjust date and time' won't allow me to change the time, it keeps getting reset when i change it? im using lenny/gnome |
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| 19:20.03 | PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn | however looking in synaptic I cant find it |
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| 19:21.38 | cahoot | eggmanpete: even though you've been prompted for root pw? |
| 19:22.17 | eggmanpete | yes |
| 19:22.57 | eggmanpete | it's one hour fast |
| 19:23.12 | eggmanpete | also won't let me change the location |
| 19:23.18 | eggmanpete | is there a file i can edit? |
| 19:23.27 | cahoot | eggmanpete: clock set to UTC? |
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| 19:23.50 | cahoot | eggmanpete: in /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:24.17 | eggmanpete | UTC=yes |
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| 19:25.09 | cahoot | eggmanpete: tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
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| 19:26.27 | eggmanpete | Local time: 21:25 Universal time: 20:25 |
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| 19:27.04 | eggmanpete | maybe the time was changed in bios by windows..? |
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| 19:27.17 | cahoot | yes |
| 19:27.30 | eggmanpete | gah, dont want to reboot |
| 19:27.34 | eggmanpete | any workaround? |
| 19:27.35 | cahoot | eggmanpete: if you dual boot I think you still need localtime |
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| 19:27.55 | cahoot | eggmanpete: I believe win doesn't know utc |
| 19:28.31 | eggmanpete | what is bios set to then? |
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| 19:29.00 | cahoot | hwclock --show would tell |
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| 19:29.34 | eggmanpete | dont have that, whats the package? |
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| 19:30.12 | cahoot | as root |
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| 19:30.38 | eggmanpete | ah k |
| 19:30.56 | HellMind | what alternative I got for netperf? |
| 19:32.07 | eggmanpete | that's showing 21:30 |
| 19:32.10 | eggmanpete | 1 hour later |
| 19:32.18 | eggmanpete | how did it get changed? |
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| 19:57.48 | mbruins | hi, is there some way i can check what cpu this box has in the cli? |
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| 19:58.47 | mbruins | themill: ty |
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| 20:05.48 | test_ | is there a way to execute a command whenever a file is changed? |
| 20:06.55 | dkr | test_: check out fam |
| 20:06.56 | test_ | hrm, I guess I could use while and copy the file to another location and compare them... |
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| 20:07.03 | themill | inotifytools has methods |
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| 20:07.22 | chellomere | test_, try apt-cache search inotify. inotify is a kernel interface for checking when files are modified etc. |
| 20:07.59 | test_ | thanks |
| 20:08.12 | dkr | and debian has famd running already so using libfam might be an easy way also. :0 |
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| 20:14.51 | x-kent | I am trying to install debian 5.03 and I get a kernel panic on hard drive detection. How can I debug and find out what's wrong ? |
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| 20:15.32 | x-kent | the machine I am installing on is an old IBM t41 thinkpad |
| 20:15.45 | x-kent | so the hard drive is a simple IDE |
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| 20:16.34 | x-kent | any known problem with the installer ? |
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| 20:16.53 | x-kent | I tried all options, normal/graphical/expert |
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| 20:19.05 | x-kent | what I get is: kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 20:19.17 | x-kent | anyone alive here ? |
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| 20:22.18 | jerojasro | hi all. I'm on squeeze, and did an upgrade today. my urxvt (rxvt-unicode) has gone berserk, stuff like "urxvt -bg black -fg white" yields a urxvt window with white background and black foreground. |
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| 20:22.27 | jerojasro | has this happened to any of you? |
| 20:23.06 | asg|pub | jerojasro: /msg dpkg bts (See if someone reported it and, if not, file a bug.) |
| 20:23.27 | test_ | incron is perfect |
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| 20:26.57 | xeon-enouf | jerojasro: perhaps try mrxvt? seems odd, are all other graphical apps ok? |
| 20:26.57 | infinity0 | anyone got a machine that's ready for compiling exim4? |
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| 20:27.14 | xeon-enouf | infinity0: huh? |
| 20:28.11 | jerojasro | xeon-enouf: no |
| 20:28.11 | infinity0 | i really want to get bug #544940 sorted out but it's too much hassle compiling exim4 |
| 20:28.21 | jerojasro | xeon-enouf: well. all other apps are ok |
| 20:28.30 | xeon-enouf | jerojasro: double check whatever 'update-alernatives --config x-terminal-emulator' is set to as default, then also readlink -f `which urxvt` |
| 20:28.40 | xeon-enouf | er -alternatives |
| 20:28.42 | jerojasro | it is only urxvt from hell |
| 20:29.16 | x-kent | how can I figure out why I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" ? |
| 20:29.16 | xeon-enouf | jerojasro: anyone using testing/unstable should also be using apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs ;-)(i do) |
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| 20:30.03 | [sr] | howdy prople |
| 20:30.21 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: is that all it says? check (other) logs - does it happen often? is that after coming out of hibernation/suspend? |
| 20:30.23 | [sr] | how do i configure syslog, to stay with the syslog* log files for one month? |
| 20:30.29 | adb | x-kent, google know |
| 20:30.34 | jerojasro | xeon-enouf: I just installed those packages. now what :) ? |
| 20:30.45 | xeon-enouf | jerojasro: which? mrxvt? |
| 20:30.57 | xeon-enouf | oh, duh |
| 20:31.17 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, it is durring an installation, I install in expert mode and it happens at "detect hard drive" but the hard drive on that machine is a simple IDE (IBM t41 thinkpad) |
| 20:31.23 | xeon-enouf | dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges (to setup editor / mail / etc) |
| 20:31.33 | xeon-enouf | er s/editor/pager/ |
| 20:31.49 | [sr] | i already changes logrotate.conf to : monthly |
| 20:32.01 | xeon-enouf | it's also a conffile in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/NN-listchanges |
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| 20:33.42 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: well, let me just say ##ibmthinkpad ; but which exact installer? and try this boot option; " install generic.all_generic_ide=1" - might also try BOOT_DEBUG=3 mode (see Installation Guide) Also, messages on alt-f4 |
| 20:34.05 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: could try 'acpi=off noapic' as well (for boot params) |
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| 20:34.58 | xeon-enouf | doubts the 'install generic.all_generic_ide=1' will work after re-reviewing that Panic :-( |
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| 20:43.20 | rainest | what does it mean when my network interface is up but I can't reach anywhere on the network? |
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| 20:43.47 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, thanks will try paying with this options |
| 20:43.54 | rainest | network was working fine, until routing suddenly failed for no reason |
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| 20:46.17 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: weren't you the one mentioning how in grub2 one uses 'gfxpayload=....' (<-- what goes there?) and where does that setting/variable go? into /boot/grub/grub.cfg? Does 'set gfxmode=1024x768x16' do good as well? (or is that then written into that file?). |
| 20:47.27 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, how do pass these options to the installer (it's a 5.03 minimal bootcd) |
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| 20:47.46 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: minimal? |
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| 20:48.04 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: can you tell me the ISO filename? |
| 20:48.30 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, debian-503-i386-netinst |
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| 20:48.53 | xeon-enouf | ok, that's the latest Lenny netinstall CD - that's fine |
| 20:49.08 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: so, just type them in at the boot prompt |
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| 20:50.17 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, it's just gives me the menu, how do I get to prompt ? |
| 20:50.32 | x-kent | or, it's just TAB |
| 20:50.41 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: when you type 'expert', you'd replace that with 'expert acpi=off noapic', or 'expert generic.all_generic_ide=1' or 'expert BOOT_DEBUG=3' |
| 20:50.56 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: f1-f10 |
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| 20:51.23 | racecar56 | eventually, pidgin 2.6 debs for lenny i386 will be out, right? |
| 20:51.34 | racecar56 | cause i can't use pidgin 2.4 :P it doesn't work right |
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| 20:51.40 | nineclock | hi |
| 20:51.43 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions pidgin |
| 20:51.43 | judd | xeon-enouf: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.5.9-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 20:51.49 | xeon-enouf | see bpo ones? |
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| 20:51.52 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, yea I think I found it |
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| 20:52.05 | racecar56 | pidgin 2.5 is good enough :D |
| 20:52.23 | racecar56 | problem: the pidgin-data for that same version is not around, it's 2.6's data -_- |
| 20:52.24 | racecar56 | for all |
| 20:53.16 | adb | judd: versions pidgin-data |
| 20:53.17 | judd | adb: pidgin-data -- sid: 2.4.3-4 lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 experimental: 2.5.4-1 lenny-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
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| 20:53.51 | xeon-enouf | erm, why does exper have a lower version? O_p |
| 20:53.58 | nineclock | i have a problem i have installated utorrent on debian with wine , but the link to utorrent is " Utorrent (unicode not valid)" , and if i try to run programm say that is another utorrent process running, some ideas ? |
| 20:54.44 | racecar56 | experimental has lower version? O_. |
| 20:54.49 | racecar56 | lol that's funny |
| 20:55.00 | racecar56 | quite unusual... |
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| 20:55.32 | xeon-enouf | racecar56: judd hiccups sometimes - notice the couple of sid: versions diffs too |
| 20:55.37 | magaiwer2003 | ola |
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| 20:56.14 | xeon-enouf | themill: just to inform - see what 'judd: versions pidgin-data' output says - a wee bit off? ;-) |
| 20:56.53 | xeon-enouf | magaiwer2003: aloha |
| 20:56.54 | themill | judd: versions pidgin-data |
| 20:56.54 | judd | themill: pidgin-data -- sid: 2.4.3-4 lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 experimental: 2.5.4-1 lenny-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.2-1 squeeze: 2.6.2-1 |
| 20:56.57 | themill | xeon-enouf: what about it? |
| 20:57.26 | xeon-enouf | themill: a) experimental == lower version b) two sid entries "? |
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| 20:58.16 | themill | xeon-enouf: the two sid entries is a bug in UDD that has eluded attempts to solve it so far. Experimental often has older versions of packages than sid -- experimental is not "migrated" or automatically expunged in any way. |
| 20:59.05 | xeon-enouf | a) ok, understood - thought it's a constant battle - i keep seeing it crop up ;-) and b) understood now, thanks |
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| 20:59.37 | xeon-enouf | erm themill a==b and b==a in my reply ;-) |
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| 21:00.40 | themill | xeon-enouf: there are constant duplicate "sid" entries in UDD. I think stew's tried talking to the UDD people and no-one got anywhere with it. |
| 21:01.01 | xeon-enouf | themill: is it possible that those multiple sid entries stem from the way Depends: (deb-src related?) are automatically grabbed from lower versions such as perhaps backports? |
| 21:01.17 | xeon-enouf | themill: oh ok - that's cool |
| 21:02.03 | xeon-enouf | lends stew his cane so he can shake it at the UDD people |
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| 21:02.30 | stew | xeon-enouf: it possible they fixed it a long time ago |
| 21:02.44 | stew | xeon-enouf: i haven't updated my udd install since i first got it working |
| 21:02.54 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. ok |
| 21:03.01 | xeon-enouf | shakes his cane at stew |
| 21:03.05 | xeon-enouf | runs |
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| 21:05.32 | racecar56 | has a problem with the menus |
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| 21:07.01 | Danic | Hi :-). I have to folders with the same files in it. One folder contains newer version of these files. the old files all have different permissions and owner. I want to replace the old files with the new files but I want to keep the permissions and owners of each individual OLD file. how to do that? |
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| 21:07.59 | gasull | Hi. Does anybody use rdiff-backup over here? I recently removed Azureus from my system and also my .azureus folder, but now the backup takes forever while showing this message: "Writing file object to /media/disk/backup/home/gasull/.azureus/AzureusDownloads/foo". Does anybody know how to prevent this? Thanks |
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| 21:08.44 | xeon-enouf | Danic: rsync the old to new, but use options to keep perms from old? |
| 21:09.11 | Danic | rsync? ill try that |
| 21:09.16 | xeon-enouf | Danic: keep a cp of old AND new elsewhere, so as to always have that backed up |
| 21:09.26 | gasull | Danic: maybe go file by file with the help of Midnight Commander |
| 21:09.42 | xeon-enouf | Danic: otherwise some sort of find + chmod or ... hrm - not sure offhand |
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| 21:10.07 | xeon-enouf | crap, s/chmod/chown/ sorry - but forget that - tedious a bit |
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| 21:12.06 | kpjungle | hi all. I have a problem with my Debian box.Linux box 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Dec 25 21:08:54 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux. Specifically, my apache2 installation. Its really broken, and i have tried uninstalling and reinstall. But its like it remembers its previous state. It doesnt install new apache2 configuration files. Is there any way to completely! uninstall it and begin from scratch? |
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| 21:12.16 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I tried all the options but it still crashing... I found an old debian etch 4.0 netinst cd and tried installing it, 4.0 does not crash... weird |
| 21:12.26 | xeon-enouf | gasull: if rdiff-backup accepts exclude=... , (like rsync does) try adding/using that? |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | !tell kpjungle about confmiss |
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| 21:13.01 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, will the system be ok if I install minimal system and then somehow update to 5 ? |
| 21:13.08 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: it crashes upon Detecting Hard Disk everytime? odd - pleasse file an Installation Report - /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 21:13.14 | gasull | xeon-enouf: yes, but the directory isn't there anymore, why does it say it's writing something that doesn't exist? |
| 21:13.27 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: sure .. should be - /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 21:13.37 | Danic | xeon-enouf, thank you :) sudo rsync -pEAXogr source destination |
| 21:13.43 | xeon-enouf | gasull: something stored is referencing it |
| 21:13.56 | themill | kpjungle: you need to reinstall the apache2.2-common package with the "confmiss" details dpkg gave you |
| 21:13.56 | xeon-enouf | Danic: nice |
| 21:14.13 | gasull | xeon-enouf: what do you mean? |
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| 21:15.04 | xeon-enouf | gasull: something in rdiff-backup conffiles, or somesuch remembers what it did last, (look in /etc/ and /etc/default/) and what to sync/backup |
| 21:15.12 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, ok I will, yes it is always crashing when I "detect hard drive" in expert mode durring the 5.03 installation |
| 21:16.00 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, may it happen because of a bad media ? I didn't find any tool to selfcheck it |
| 21:16.44 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: seems kernel related, but the installer (5.0.3 Lenny) uses a .26-486 kernel IIRC, so, you might want/need to jump over that straight to a BPO lenny-backports .30 kernel when you eventually dist-upgrade (make note) |
| 21:17.08 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: ahh - sure - well /msg dpkg check iso image |
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| 21:17.30 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: and use the 'check integrity' option of media once booted - see f1-f10 |
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| 21:18.15 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: might also be some quirky RAM? tried memtest86+ from CD? |
| 21:18.16 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, thanks, will test it now |
| 21:18.28 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, will try both now |
| 21:18.36 | xeon-enouf | ok - cool |
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| 21:20.26 | jfb | hello waorld |
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| 21:21.54 | jfb | i need some help dear friends, working on egroupware under etch&half, is anybody in? thanks for help :) |
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| 21:23.48 | valdyn | kpjungle: aptitude purge <package> |
| 21:24.43 | xeon-enouf | jfb: i can;t help with that, just note, in google searches try 'etchnhalf' instead of using '&' .. also maybe ##linux if nobody chimes in here (wait a bit - try again later) |
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| 21:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | did he mean "hello warlords"? |
| 21:25.49 | verblendet | how can i look up a bug here in irc using the bot? |
| 21:26.03 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 300000 |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | verblendet: what's wrong with your browser ? |
| 21:26.08 | dpkg | DONE:#300000:M[libcrypt-ssleay-perl] libcrypt-ssleay-perl: package description typo(s) and the like (); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:07:20 UTC [] |
| 21:26.20 | xeon-enouf | jfb: i see a 21:15 -alis(alis@services.int)- #egroupware and 21:15 -alis(alis@services.int)- #egroupware-de here on this network |
| 21:26.55 | xeon-enouf | 15 and 6 users respectively - heh |
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| 21:27.24 | macrobat | is there a way to undecorate a window in xfwm/xfce4? |
| 21:28.08 | xeon-enouf | that's a function of your x-window-manager? |
| 21:28.08 | jfb | yes i was just going connecting so my reflex is to go on the known good channel :) so excuse, my question was just "in case of", in french "au cas ou" :) thanks a more |
| 21:28.08 | MikeH | Anyone here use a sata pci card, that they can confirm works under linux? (non-raid) |
| 21:28.31 | xeon-enouf | MikeH: many people do - it's PCCID (lspci -nn) output is what you want to know ;-) |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | MikeH: lots of them do ... |
| 21:28.41 | xeon-enouf | er PCIID* |
| 21:29.43 | MikeH | I just wanted to make double sure I get one that works, and that isn't via |
| 21:29.53 | verblendet | dondelelcaro, thx |
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| 21:30.02 | MikeH | I guess a more important question would be if anyone uses a particular card and can confirm it works with an RT kernel |
| 21:30.09 | MikeH | as my RT kernel doesn't seem to like my onboard sata |
| 21:30.13 | xeon-enouf | verblendet: i prefer google's site:bugs.debian.org <keyword 1 2 3> when looking for bug reports and such |
| 21:31.09 | verblendet | found it, thx, and as i guessed, ntop is broken |
| 21:31.45 | xeon-enouf | MikeH: you said linux, how is this a debian issue? try #hardware and ##linux or #your-distro channel ;-) especially with a custom kernel ;-) |
| 21:32.47 | stew | MikeH: i'm using multiple sata pci cards that work under linux |
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| 21:32.59 | stew | MikeH: i'm sure many of us are |
| 21:33.34 | MikeH | care to share what cards you are using? |
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| 21:41.13 | Zuwer | away AFK |
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| 21:42.13 | frankie__ | so im trying to figgure out what is wrong with my pptp server running in etch, i can connect to it fine, and i can ping its address through the ip it assigned me etc, but i cant reach any of the other ip's in the network im vpn'd to, any ideas? yes the server box can ping the other ips in that net |
| 21:42.20 | themill | dpkg, fix poncha's internet connection |
| 21:42.20 | dpkg | takes poncha's internet connection to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 21:42.35 | frankie__ | lol |
| 21:42.48 | NoCode | Is the Blender in Squeeze repos the most up to date blender(with the UI changes)? |
| 21:44.05 | macrobat | NoCode: look at the changelog at pdo |
| 21:44.16 | macrobat | packages.debian.org |
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| 21:54.56 | k]t | is it safe to upgrade debian in apt/sources.list by replacing lenny with squeeze |
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| 21:58.29 | digititus | Are there any Clonezilla gurus here that could help me? I am having an issue with Clonezilla and a firmware raid system. It looks like dmraid is working but I'm not entirely sure. Parted on the Clonezilla live cd says there is an error: can't have a partition outside the disk. Which I know that there isn't (it's confused by the raid) because the Gparted live cd works just fine (yes, it could be different versions) |
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| 21:58.59 | babilen | k]t: have a look at the release notes for lenny to get an idea what you might want to take care of when upgrading from one release to the next |
| 21:59.27 | babilen | k]t: furthermore, you should upgrade aptitude, apt and dpkg first, before doing the rest |
| 21:59.34 | k]t | babilen: thanks for the reference... |
| 21:59.49 | babilen | k]t: can you find it, or do you need a link? |
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| 22:00.18 | k]t | babilen: yes, upgrading apt dpkg and aptitude is in the reference i am reading. |
| 22:00.19 | themill | digititus: you're unlikely to find clonezilla gurus in #debian. You need to ask them. |
| 22:00.39 | k]t | babilen: can i grab your opinion on a reference i found? |
| 22:00.58 | k]t | babilen: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 22:01.08 | digititus | themill: them as in clonezilla? |
| 22:01.19 | babilen | k]t: probably, although the *only* reference i'll recommend will be the release notes for squeeze |
| 22:01.22 | themill | digititus: yes |
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| 22:01.36 | k]t | babilen: just was not sure if it was completely safe or like unstable "do at your own risk" |
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| 22:02.09 | k]t | hmm, ok... i'll look into it |
| 22:02.18 | babilen | k]t: as i said. read the release notes for lenny to know what else you might want to do. (backups, kernel, etc etc) |
| 22:02.39 | babilen | k]t: but generally speaking: that is pretty much the idea |
| 22:02.56 | k]t | will do. |
| 22:03.39 | k]t | the only thing that worries me now is my kernel at reboot, none the less, boot. |
| 22:03.53 | babilen | k]t: a lot of things in the reference are just good advice, like: make backups, check that there are no pending actions in the package manager, create a script of the upgrade process, ... |
| 22:04.36 | xeon-enouf | k]t: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:04.37 | k]t | babilen: i seem to be unfamiliar with the script for the upgrade progress. any mans/howtos on that? |
| 22:05.00 | babilen | k]t: I don't think you should be afraid. It will most probable work without a problem. But you asked for my advice and that is the once i'll give |
| 22:05.30 | themill | k]t: you should ask yourself if you really want the hassle of running "testing" rather than "stable" though. /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 22:05.47 | babilen | k]t: the script will just write all commands you enter into the file, so you can review them later on/show them to people helping you |
| 22:05.52 | k]t | great, well the question really was if it was ok/safe to upgrade, and by your opinion--it seems to be fine. |
| 22:06.37 | babilen | k]t: no, that is *not* my opinion. I said it'll probably work, but you should be aware of what you get. |
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| 22:06.44 | k]t | themill: but if all else fails i can resort to an old kernel sys/img at boot, right? |
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| 22:07.05 | babilen | k]t: the factoid themill gave you mention some points... |
| 22:07.07 | themill | k]t: it's not just a question of kernel and the old system is non-existent after the upgrade. |
| 22:07.12 | k]t | babilen: sorry, and ok. |
| 22:07.28 | k]t | ouch! |
| 22:07.30 | themill | k]t: I'd say "if you have to ask, you shouldn't". I only run stable on my machines and I do that for a reason. |
| 22:07.33 | babilen | k]t: you will have to reinstall if your system dies in smoke. |
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| 22:08.30 | k]t | themill, babilen: but if worst comes to worst -- i can fire in the rescue CD to atleast backup all personal dirs to flash, cd or what not, correct? |
| 22:09.14 | themill | k]t: of course. I prefer to machines to "just work" though. Don't have to reinstall etc that way. |
| 22:09.19 | k]t | ... then load and lock fellas. |
| 22:09.27 | k]t | sweet. |
| 22:09.49 | babilen | k]t: do yourself a favour and make the backup now! (/home, /etc, /var, /usr/local, ... dpkg --get-selections, ...) |
| 22:10.04 | themill | /msg dpkg things to backup |
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| 22:10.22 | babilen | themill: i have to learn factoids ;-) |
| 22:10.24 | k]t | just worried if busybox will have the needed commands if needed. |
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| 22:10.35 | bhundven | say I have an open (no encryption) wireless access point with essid of "foobar". on my client I type: iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar . I then type ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up; and all of my iwconfig stuff goes away , so now I have to type in that iwconfig cruft again. now I try to ping 0.1 and nothing works. I need to do this from the cli, and not from network-manager (which I know works perfectly), can anyone help? |
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| 22:11.55 | k]t | honestly, i'm new to debian so all i want really are my scripts -- no drastic changes or creations have occurred yet to this system. pardon me, but i am coming from cygwin...((cynus/windows)) |
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| 22:12.21 | xeon-enouf | bhundven: n-m stuffs are entirely separate from your /etc/network/{interfaces,*} entries |
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| 22:13.09 | themill | k]t: "new to debian" definitely suggests to me that you should just stick with stable... at least until you know how to solve the problems that testing will throw at you. |
| 22:13.16 | xeon-enouf | bhundven: ever hear of ^R in your shell and $HISTFILE ;-) |
| 22:13.37 | bhundven | xeon-enouf: right. I know this. I am trying to do this with just iwconfig and ifconfig, no /etc/network/* no network manager. |
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| 22:13.42 | babilen | k]t: you might want to consider running stable until you know you can handle hard situations and use backports for software that you need |
| 22:13.50 | k]t | heh, i'll keep that in mind. |
| 22:13.51 | bhundven | you don't have to be a jerk |
| 22:14.40 | k]t | plus, i like hard, it changes me--and what i do... =P |
| 22:14.57 | xeon-enouf | bhundven: man bash - see history .. or echo {$HISTFILE,$HISTFILESIZE} etc ... |
| 22:15.02 | bhundven | what? |
| 22:15.09 | bhundven | I'm not having a problem with bash |
| 22:15.13 | babilen | bhundven: and you don't have to use pejoratives when speaking with people in this channel |
| 22:15.15 | xeon-enouf | bhundven: me? |
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| 22:15.35 | xeon-enouf | !confuse xeon-enouf |
| 22:15.36 | dpkg | No, how is our snake today, xeon-enouf? Lederhosen of the Republic of Tibet with extra herring. |
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| 22:16.27 | k]t | lolz |
| 22:16.41 | bhundven | ok... I have an open wireless access point called foobar. I run: ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar chan 36; ifconfig 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:16.51 | bhundven | is there something else I need to do to associate? |
| 22:16.56 | bhundven | or should that just work? |
| 22:17.16 | babilen | bhundven: that looks about right. What problems do you have? |
| 22:17.44 | babilen | bhundven: you might want to specify the interface for the 192... netmask .. call though |
| 22:17.46 | bhundven | it still says not-associated in iwconfig, when I try to ping I get host not found. |
| 22:18.10 | adb | babilen, i tested 5.0.3 on my ppc , and may confirm "untrusted packages" on d-i tasksell |
| 22:18.11 | themill | bhundven: does it say associated between iwconfig and the next ifconfig? |
| 22:18.12 | bhundven | oops. that was a typing mistake in irc. I did type ifconfig wlan0 ip... |
| 22:18.19 | babilen | bhundven: can you see the wlan in "iwlist wlan0 scan'? |
| 22:18.23 | bhundven | themill: never |
| 22:18.28 | bhundven | babilen: yes. I see foobar just fine |
| 22:18.39 | babilen | bhundven: ok, just checking ;-) |
| 22:18.44 | bhundven | no worries ;) |
| 22:18.44 | themill | bhundven: then there's no point in doing the next step until it is associated |
| 22:18.57 | bhundven | ok |
| 22:19.10 | themill | bhundven: "ip link set wlan0 up" is needed by some devices to get them to associate. |
| 22:19.13 | babilen | bhundven: and the AP is not running/connected to a DHCP server? |
| 22:19.53 | babilen | themill: right, i have that in my pre-up stanza |
| 22:19.59 | bhundven | hang on... I think I found my problem. stupid network manager service was still running wiping what I had done after I typed it. |
| 22:20.11 | bhundven | sorry |
| 22:20.14 | babilen | bhundven: network-mangler that is |
| 22:20.15 | xeon-enouf | adb: job well done! i recall you saying you'd test - thank you ;-) |
| 22:20.23 | bhundven | hehe |
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| 22:20.31 | themill | bhundven: yeah, that will do it too.... you can only have one tool at a time trying to do these things. |
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| 22:21.28 | bhundven | damn. now it works fine |
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| 22:21.42 | bhundven | hits network-manager in the foot with a sledge hammer |
| 22:21.55 | babilen | adb: yes, I talked to the guy doing it and reconfirmed it myself as well. Haven't got around to confirm it in the bug report though |
| 22:22.01 | themill | hang on... it's not n-m's fault.. that's straight pebkac |
| 22:22.20 | bhundven | hehehe, well that too =) |
| 22:22.32 | adb | babilen xeon-enouf, funny thing it seems happens on i386/amd64 arch too.. |
| 22:22.39 | bhundven | hits himself in the foot with a sledge hammer as well |
| 22:22.42 | babilen | adb: really? |
| 22:22.46 | themill | :) |
| 22:22.49 | babilen | adb: that is bad |
| 22:23.18 | adb | 20:01:00 <simonrvn> dunno, Hideme is having the same issue |
| 22:23.55 | babilen | ok, i guess we know what awaits #debian ;-) |
| 22:24.09 | adb | babilen, now 16:30:11 <adb> on new 5.0.3 install i get un_authenticate packages on mirror , on end install (in tasksell )or on reboot on new system , even after express (re)installing debian-archive-keyring , known issue ? |
| 22:24.32 | dondelelcaro | adb: you're not the first person I've seen reporting tht |
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| 22:25.03 | xeon-enouf | adb: ouch! must be a mirror-wide issue? |
| 22:25.06 | adb | nice dondelelcaro ;) |
| 22:25.31 | xeon-enouf | adb: IOW, not ARCH-specific, but $MIRROR-specific? |
| 22:25.37 | babilen | dondelelcaro: A guy at university ran into that yesterday, and then another one complained in OFTC #d about it. It was both ppc though, so we assumed it was just that arch |
| 22:25.51 | luke3321 | Hey guys, any tips for installing the NVIDIA drivers from the repository in Squeeze? |
| 22:25.55 | xeon-enouf | adb: maybe even $UPLOAD specific? |
| 22:25.58 | dondelelcaro | babilen: yeah, I'm not sure if ti's just ppc, or multiple architectures |
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| 22:26.38 | themill | luke3321: you've got quite some work to do. /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 22:26.39 | babilen | dondelelcaro: given what adg just said it seems to happen on multiple architectures |
| 22:26.49 | xeon-enouf | indeed bhundven |
| 22:26.52 | xeon-enouf | er babilen |
| 22:26.55 | luke3321 | themill: I'll look at that, thanks |
| 22:27.21 | xeon-enouf | it's adb -- try 'ad[TAB]' babilen |
| 22:27.25 | xeon-enouf | ;-0 |
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| 22:29.40 | babilen | hehe |
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| 22:30.55 | babilen | usually don't use tabs for complete one letter. But given that TAB will be the right key it might be worth it |
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| 22:32.44 | babilen | hates it when he tries to tab-complete 'mkdir fo[TAB]' ;-) |
| 22:33.00 | adb | babilen, and now i can't get X working on ppc : (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: (DEBUG) CCE idle took i = 1025 |
| 22:33.25 | babilen | adb: i have never seen that before |
| 22:33.37 | adb | me too .. |
| 22:34.24 | adb | and (EE) R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine... repeted time |
| 22:34.31 | adb | s |
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| 22:35.11 | babilen | adb: hmm... you might want to try a bare xorg first (no dmi, et al) |
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| 22:38.17 | adb | conf > http://pastebin.com/f13f8ac8f and log > http://pastebin.com/f2b161706 |
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| 22:39.54 | babilen | adb: not much left to tweak :-( |
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| 22:40.06 | robd | Hey guys |
| 22:40.22 | robd | I've got a system that keeps crashing when ext3 can't get a block twice in a row |
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| 22:40.46 | babilen | adb: looks like a bug in xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 22:40.55 | robd | I'm getting stuck because I can't get the full backtrace since it's longer than the console row limit |
| 22:41.05 | adb | babilen, maybe |
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| 22:41.19 | robd | Can I easily connect a serial cable between two servers and have one server log the output of the other? |
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| 22:42.49 | valdyn | robd: not a simple serial cable iirc |
| 22:43.03 | valdyn | robd: you would need a null-modem cable |
| 22:43.03 | robd | valdyn: hrm |
| 22:43.07 | robd | valdyn: oh, okay |
| 22:43.09 | robd | valdyn: not a problem |
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| 22:43.23 | robd | valdyn: As for recording serial output what would be the best way to do that? |
| 22:43.26 | valdyn | robd: other than that its very simple |
| 22:43.35 | dsdeiz | hi guys, i just installed swiftweasel, how can i make it come out in the list "x-www-browser"? |
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| 22:43.55 | valdyn | robd: obviously you would set syslog to log to /dev/ttyS1 or somesuch |
| 22:43.56 | robd | valdyn: great, can you tell me the very simple part :) |
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| 22:44.15 | valdyn | robd: on the other side you just "cat /dev/ttyS1 > logfile" |
| 22:44.25 | adb | ah #542963 |
| 22:44.32 | robd | valdyn: wow, easy enough |
| 22:44.48 | robd | valdyn: Is there any better way to catch a kernel panic? |
| 22:44.56 | valdyn | robd: no |
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| 22:45.11 | robd | valdyn: yep, thats what I thought |
| 22:45.13 | valdyn | robd: *except* that you should skip syslog on that |
| 22:45.30 | robd | valdyn: sounds good |
| 22:45.39 | DonAlex | Lo.. anyone know what has happened to the UK mirror.. webserver been off line last 20 mins? |
| 22:45.41 | valdyn | robd: no it doesnt, im not quite certain |
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| 22:45.46 | valdyn | robd: leave it as i told you.. |
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| 22:46.05 | DonAlex | if someone could reboot it please ;) |
| 22:46.28 | babilen | adb: #412228 |
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| 22:49.12 | valdyn | robd: the kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf determines which messages your kernel spams to consoles |
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| 22:49.50 | valdyn | robd: you might want to read the docs to that one, that would get your serial console get the kernel panic *without* syslog being involved |
| 22:50.40 | babilen | adb: you might want to try disabling DRI with Disable "dri" in the Module section |
| 22:51.01 | adb | i'll try |
| 22:51.10 | robd | valdyn: okay cool |
| 22:51.26 | robd | valdyn: Where exactly would the docs be for this kind of stuff? |
| 22:51.32 | valdyn | robd: i dont know |
| 22:51.46 | robd | valdyn: Also I'm just curious if the kernel backtrace will *always* be sent to ttyS0 or if I need to do anything special to enable that |
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| 22:52.08 | valdyn | robd: thats the thing you configure with the kernel.printk settings |
| 22:52.19 | valdyn | robd: maybe the default is ok, maybe not, i dont know |
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| 22:53.14 | babilen | adb: problem with that is: as soon as it's working without DRI you'll ask "How to enable DRI" |
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| 22:53.43 | adb | heh |
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| 22:54.33 | valdyn | robd: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Serial/serial-console.html |
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| 22:54.54 | valdyn | robd: you dont need most of the stuff there, but you need "Optional: Configure serial port as THE system console" |
| 22:55.14 | lindenle2 | Hio is there a way to tell tar to change to a new archive after a certain size is reached |
| 22:55.31 | afallenhope | Hi I'm having issues with installing modules. I'm trying to compile a wireless driver. and when it installs it goes to /lib/modules/2.6.28.10/extra rather than my kernel's version which is /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic any ideas? |
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| 22:55.57 | valdyn | robd: the "console=/dev/ttyS1" kernel parameter |
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| 22:56.36 | themill | afallenhope: I'll take a stab that you want #ubuntu not #debian... |
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| 22:57.05 | afallenhope | themill, I tried #Ubuntu they don't know so I figured #Debian would know since it's pretty much the same yeah? |
| 22:57.37 | themill | afallenhope: no... the way the kernel and kernel modules are handled varies quite a lot between the two. |
| 22:58.08 | afallenhope | well.. I never had this issue until I had to compile my wireless driver. |
| 22:58.22 | afallenhope | so I'm wondering if it has to do with a conf file or something.. |
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| 22:58.44 | themill | afallenhope: #ubuntu might know... |
| 22:58.53 | afallenhope | tried.. they don't know squat |
| 22:59.19 | themill | afallenhope: #debian is for debian users. We can't help you on this. |
| 22:59.28 | afallenhope | it's for deb |
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| 23:01.40 | afallenhope | hmm... what if I reinstall Debian.. how much support is there compared to any other? |
| 23:01.52 | robd | valdyn: Thanks so much for all the assistance w/ this! |
| 23:01.57 | themill | !why debian |
| 23:01.57 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 23:02.03 | afallenhope | like I've heard that Debian has a lot of OLD packages |
| 23:02.05 | robd | valdyn: You seriously kick ass! |
| 23:02.41 | dondelelcaro | afallenhope: we have both packages which are stable in the stable packages, and some of the newest bleeding edge stuff too |
| 23:02.52 | dondelelcaro | s/stable packages/stable release/ |
| 23:03.05 | dondelelcaro | afallenhope: but you can see for yourself at packages.debian.org if you want |
| 23:03.09 | afallenhope | what's with the regex.. lol. |
| 23:03.30 | themill | afallenhope: it's impossible to mix "shiny new" with "actually works well as a system". It's your choice. |
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| 23:03.46 | Dryanta | themill: what do you mean |
| 23:04.08 | dondelelcaro | Dryanta: in order to test, you have to have time to test, which means that it's no longer shiny new when you're done testing |
| 23:04.10 | macrobat | afallenhope: see sed, the streamline editor |
| 23:04.25 | Dryanta | dondelelcaro: yes and no, depends on your definition of shiny new lol |
| 23:04.32 | Dryanta | like when i migrated from courier to dovecot |
| 23:04.54 | pickcoder | personally, shiny new is the latest "stable" source release of a specific app or piece of code |
| 23:04.56 | Dryanta | my 'testing' was about a day before i decided 'yeah this is infinitely superior and better documented if it breaks' |
| 23:05.12 | pickcoder | which may not be 100% stable when actually deployed on a specific Linux configuration |
| 23:05.36 | Dryanta | well i normally pick stuff thats tried and true and platform independant |
| 23:05.42 | Dryanta | im new to debian im a bsd guy personally |
| 23:05.44 | dondelelcaro | Dryanta: sure, now scale that out to a few thousand packages |
| 23:05.48 | Dryanta | but im trying to learn the debian way of doing things |
| 23:06.14 | dondelelcaro | Dryanta: and couple it with a few dozen different configurations... it's no longer so simple |
| 23:06.20 | pickcoder | Dryanta: you can easily package your own stuff from source and try to meet all of the dependency issues by packaging all of those too |
| 23:06.21 | Dryanta | dondelelcaro: how do you mean a few thousand packages, do they do that in batches there isnt like source freeze and stuff like that? |
| 23:06.36 | macrobat | theres the difference between "unstable = subject to change" and "unstable = buggy" |
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| 23:06.56 | Dryanta | like bind9 isnt buggy but they fuckin change something every major release :P |
| 23:06.58 | Dryanta | makes me angry |
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| 23:07.24 | pickcoder | Dryanta: once you're done.. you also get to manage security updates your self and patch it all |
| 23:07.53 | Dryanta | ok, so whats the equivalent to portaudit in debian |
| 23:08.09 | themill | Dryanta: that's another reason not to just accept new releases of things into "stable". PHP is the same. Just because upstream calls it "stable" doesn't mean it plays well with everything else that has to be on the same box or meets the user's expectations of interface/config file/etc stability. |
| 23:08.29 | macrobat | what does portaudit do in bsd? |
| 23:08.40 | dondelelcaro | Dryanta: add security to your sources.list (it's there by default) and run apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade; |
| 23:08.47 | dondelelcaro | err, s/-y/-s/ |
| 23:09.03 | Dryanta | macrobat: it uses vuxml to report on installed packages for any new vulnerabilities nightly with a new vuln database |
| 23:09.13 | Dryanta | in your daily security run report |
| 23:09.23 | macrobat | oh :) |
| 23:09.35 | themill | There's also debsecan |
| 23:09.43 | Dryanta | debsecan |
| 23:09.43 | pickcoder | yeah I use debsecan |
| 23:09.50 | Dryanta | googling |
| 23:10.13 | themill | Dryanta: packages.debian.org/debsecan would probably be easier than google |
| 23:10.20 | dondelelcaro | (what I mentioned only deals with things we have secrutiy updates for) |
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| 23:10.25 | themill | Also /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 23:10.33 | durka42 | where can i find cd images for etch? |
| 23:10.43 | jamon | any xen savvy folk around? lenny's xenblktap kernel module is giving me trouble, could use a hand if someone has a moment |
| 23:10.57 | dondelelcaro | durka42: you really shouldn't be installing etch if you can help it |
| 23:10.58 | Dryanta | but does debsecan report on vulnerabilities that are not patched? |
| 23:11.02 | dondelelcaro | Dryanta: yes |
| 23:11.20 | durka42 | dondelelcaro: yes, but can i find it if i need it? |
| 23:11.24 | Dryanta | is it part of daily run reports? i havent forwarded root aliases to an email account i check yet |
| 23:11.29 | durka42 | we have a server that is dying, and i want to set up a machine exactly like it |
| 23:11.35 | afallenhope | macrobat, I know what it is.. i was simply wondering why everyone is so "omg I'm gonna do stupid stuff" in a chat... |
| 23:11.40 | durka42 | and worry about upgrades later |
| 23:11.45 | themill | makes Dryanta read the documentation |
| 23:12.01 | Dryanta | durka42: i imagine its a better idea to install lenny and update as many things as you can to save hassle later |
| 23:12.09 | Dryanta | take some time to ensure that your configs are tested |
| 23:12.32 | durka42 | is it likely to cause big incompatibilities? |
| 23:12.36 | Dryanta | i replace a server at least every two months and i always do a new flat binary install of the newest release and fresh packages |
| 23:12.45 | pickcoder | durka42: possibly, depending on what you have installed and are using |
| 23:12.54 | Dryanta | heh i dont know what the debian equivalent of UPDATING is |
| 23:13.07 | Dryanta | im learning all sorts of new stuff today xD |
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| 23:14.23 | dondelelcaro | durka42: I'm not sure if anyone is still distributing them complete, but you can install using a usb-stick and the files located on any mirror |
| 23:14.57 | durka42 | you mean, use a 5.0 netinst but set it to etch? |
| 23:15.05 | durka42 | i'm leaning towards installing lenny and hoping it works |
| 23:15.35 | DonAlex | UK mirror is still down :( What is happening there? Anyone know? |
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| 23:15.39 | dondelelcaro | durka42: no, I mean using the install media on any mirror |
| 23:15.43 | macrobat | i have done "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" a while. I just realized it doesn't upgrade :) |
| 23:15.44 | dondelelcaro | DonAlex: which mirror? |
| 23:15.53 | durka42 | oh i see |
| 23:15.54 | DonAlex | uk.debian.org |
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| 23:16.22 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: Been nearly an hour now.. |
| 23:16.46 | phlux | any of you running Debian completely CLI? I'm just curious. I'm doing it :P |
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| 23:17.09 | macrobat | phlux: not even a framebuffer? :) |
| 23:17.15 | DonAlex | phlux: Have done yes.. headless servers are very useful. |
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| 23:17.24 | dondelelcaro | DonAlex: Phil is probably busy, but someone has most likely noticed |
| 23:17.28 | phlux | macrobat: well, I have links2 as a web browser using svgalib |
| 23:17.35 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: I know I have ;) |
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| 23:17.45 | phlux | DonAlex: I'm using it for a desktop. My servers usually run FreeBSD, though I do have one Debian dedi |
| 23:17.45 | pickcoder | durka42: I have several Etch images saved |
| 23:18.14 | durka42 | i'm wondering if that would be a better idea |
| 23:18.24 | pickcoder | phlux: most of the servers I run are accessed locally via SSH |
| 23:18.27 | durka42 | the idea being, install etch tomorrow and get it up before the server dies, then buy a new machine and do it right |
| 23:18.32 | phlux | irssi for IRC, bitlbee for IMs, mutt+fetchmail+msmtp for e-mail (my favorite by far.. even if I go back to using X, I'll still use this e-mail system) and links2+svgalib for web browsing |
| 23:18.40 | pickcoder | occasionally I'll load X |
| 23:18.44 | durka42 | pickcoder: do you have one available somewhere? |
| 23:18.52 | DonAlex | who needs a gui when you have webmin/vncserver to do most tasks ;) |
| 23:19.09 | dondelelcaro | DonAlex: anyway, I've pinged the admin for it, so he'll probably get to it when he gets a chance |
| 23:19.20 | dondelelcaro | (he may already be on his way to deal with it; not sure) |
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| 23:19.55 | dondelelcaro | DonAlex: in the meantime, use a different mirror. We've got a few dozen of the things |
| 23:20.08 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: hehe.. yeah.. just has strap on his pants and cloak I dare say |
| 23:20.32 | pickcoder | the newest one I have is 4.0r4 |
| 23:20.37 | pickcoder | i386 |
| 23:20.40 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: yeah.. usually when this happens I use de.. but i am getting some funny responses from them.. |
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| 23:21.06 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: Telling me it does not have any sources for contrib or amd64 |
| 23:21.16 | MikeH | For the hardware boffins, how much difference do you think there would be between a c2d 2.6GHz (2mb L2) and a Dual Core Xeon 2.6GHz (4mb L2) |
| 23:21.21 | DonAlex | one mo I will get exactly what they say |
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| 23:22.38 | mesa_booger | MikeH: depends entirely on the load, but the xeon will be a bit faster on average, cos of the larger caches |
| 23:22.59 | MikeH | I'm running gameservers, so not entirely sure how much effect cache would have |
| 23:23.10 | MikeH | low latency (process wise) is the key |
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| 23:24.29 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/1578465 |
| 23:24.47 | DonAlex | dondelelcaro: Bit odd seeing as all the mirrors should have been the same.. |
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| 23:28.57 | phlux | how can I burn an iso image in cli? |
| 23:29.06 | dondelelcaro | phlux: with wodim or genisofs |
| 23:29.17 | MikeH | hrm |
| 23:29.26 | phlux | burncd couldn't do it somehow? |
| 23:29.36 | MikeH | Is it possible to power on a machine via keyboard input? Or do x86 machines generally not support this? |
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| 23:30.17 | catsup | some do |
| 23:30.18 | xeon-enouf | phlux: wodim |
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| 23:30.29 | catsup | i suppose it's fairly rare |
| 23:30.32 | xeon-enouf | or bashburn, or many others |
| 23:30.43 | catsup | just a matter of BIOS support though |
| 23:30.46 | xeon-enouf | dondelelcaro: it's genisoimage ;-) |
| 23:31.29 | xeon-enouf | phlux: if you want, you could even use non-debian cdrecord (wodim is debian's fork) |
| 23:31.42 | dondelelcaro | MikeH: most atx machines should support it |
| 23:31.57 | DonAlex | I use wodim. |
| 23:31.59 | |Mike| | okay. |
| 23:32.15 | DonAlex | wodim dev=/dev/hdx <name.iso> |
| 23:32.39 | xeon-enouf | MikeH: many Dell BIOSes have alarm clocks ;-) and some big $$$ 'enterprise' systems *cough*ibm*hp* have special DMI-type interfaces |
| 23:33.04 | DonAlex | Yeah.. but will it make me tea in the morning.. huh? |
| 23:33.17 | DonAlex | Not much use in an alarm clock if it cannot make tea.. ;) |
| 23:33.21 | xeon-enouf | MikeH: cold boot != poweron to me, or does it to you? |
| 23:33.37 | xeon-enouf | !vodka me - screw tea |
| 23:33.39 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for me - screw tea |
| 23:34.00 | DonAlex | I think you are talking about ACPI poer events there mike.. |
| 23:34.12 | DonAlex | and that is wholly BIOS dependant as far as I know.. |
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| 23:40.45 | xeon-enouf | wholly needs an 'e', otherwise, it reminds me of wooly mammoth :-P |
| 23:41.26 | DonAlex | Give me 5 hours of sleep and i'll give you e's ;) |
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| 23:42.42 | DonAlex | oh well.. hope it is up by tomorrow.. |
| 23:43.03 | DonAlex | night guys.. :-h |
| 23:43.50 | x-kent | what is the name of a program that configures apt sources ? |
| 23:43.52 | xeon-enouf | actually used wholly at sometime today in irc somewhere |
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| 23:44.27 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: sensible-editor ;-) |
| 23:44.29 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I successfully installed etch and upgraded to lenny |
| 23:44.29 | phlux | ok, wait |
| 23:44.53 | phlux | what was it that you guys suggested I use? Sorry, had to restart irssi |
| 23:44.59 | phlux | (for burning isos) |
| 23:45.07 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, :-), I don't remeber the addresses, there was one that you just choose your country and it does it automatically |
| 23:45.19 | tameek_ | I'm running debian on the road, and I need to remote into my Windows PC back home. Any suggestions for a noob? |
| 23:46.00 | x-kent | tameek_, try vnc, google for RealVNC and install a vnc viewer at linux box, simplest way |
| 23:46.22 | phlux | anyone? :\ |
| 23:46.25 | phlux | wimode or something |
| 23:46.35 | x-kent | tameek_, but you will need to have realvnc server installed at your home pc |
| 23:46.56 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: netselect-apt and some other, but just /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:47.18 | phlux | :( |
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| 23:47.30 | xeon-enouf | phlux: wodim! |
| 23:47.34 | xeon-enouf | !wodim |
| 23:47.35 | dpkg | i heard wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 23:48.00 | tameek_ | thanks @ kent |
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| 23:48.36 | phlux | wodim, hah. thanks |
| 23:48.44 | phlux | does it use the same args as cdrecord? |
| 23:49.24 | xeon-enouf | bascially yes; wodim --help 2>&1 | less |
| 23:49.29 | xeon-enouf | and search |
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| 23:50.11 | luke3321 | anyone having any luck on amd64 with Wine and lib32nss-mdns? |
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| 23:50.43 | xeon-enouf | no , libnss-mdns == fail |
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| 23:51.52 | allure | Hi guys... I'm having some trouble to make a HP Laserjet 1320 to work on Cups. It says it's installed, but I can't print a test page... could anyone give me a hand? |
| 23:52.26 | luke3321 | xeon-enouf: Oh yeah |
| 23:52.54 | luke3321 | But it is somewhat useful... On occasion... You know, Like once a year |
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| 23:53.32 | xeon-enouf | allure: tricky - try installing hplip hpjis foomatic and dpkg-reconfigure cups ; and http://localhost:631 and configure |
| 23:53.59 | allure | xeon-enouf: ok =) |
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| 23:55.45 | xeon-enouf | allure: openprinting.org/linuxprinting.org might also have some useful info |
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| 23:58.18 | allure | xeon-enouf: actually, I read all that before asking here |
| 23:58.27 | allure | xeon-enouf: and I did what you said before, but it still does not work |
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| 23:58.40 | phlux | ok a buddy of mine is trying wodim, and it says it can't open the SCSI driver |
| 23:58.40 | allure | xeon-enouf: it says it's installed, but it is running as crazy looking for paper and won't find it |
| 23:58.47 | phlux | not sure what to do there |
| 23:58.49 | allure | xeon-enouf: I think it's looking on the wrong tray for some reason |
| 23:59.48 | valdyn | allure: "some reason" being the current configuration - why dont you change that? |
| 23:59.59 | xeon-enouf | tray? |
