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| 00:00.12 | allure | valdyn: that's why I'm here for. How? |
| 00:00.14 | xeon-enouf | phlux: bad - try debian |
| 00:00.15 | valdyn | allure: in cups |
| 00:00.22 | allure | valdyn: actually, it would be best to ask what to change and not how |
| 00:00.54 | xeon-enouf | phlux: your buddy needs to show up and provide specifics; /msg dpkg ask |
| 00:00.58 | valdyn | allure: ok - i thought that was obvious: go to http://localhost:631/ and change the default paper feed or try or whatever they call it |
| 00:01.06 | phlux | xeon-enouf: he's using debian |
| 00:01.15 | xeon-enouf | prove it |
| 00:01.20 | phlux | nou |
| 00:01.22 | phlux | :D |
| 00:01.32 | xeon-enouf | nowai, u |
| 00:01.35 | phlux | lol |
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| 00:01.37 | valdyn | allure: or run "system-config-printer" |
| 00:01.37 | allure | valdyn: yes, I've done that already. I would not be here if that was the problem... |
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| 00:01.45 | xeon-enouf | 10q |
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| 00:01.56 | valdyn | allure: so youre saying that changing the tray does not change the tray? |
| 00:01.58 | xeon-enouf | allure: stop being redundant please |
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| 00:02.23 | xeon-enouf | allure: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 00:02.37 | allure | I'm from the redundant department of redundancy =) |
| 00:02.45 | allure | valdyn: exactly |
| 00:02.56 | valdyn | allure: do it on the printer itself |
| 00:02.56 | xeon-enouf | loops allure ,,, oh nm :-P |
| 00:03.38 | phlux | xeon-enouf: I can't get dpkg to tell me how to load scsi stuff |
| 00:03.52 | valdyn | phlux: why would you need to "load scsi stuff" ? |
| 00:03.55 | xeon-enouf | phlux: it's not you |
| 00:04.06 | xeon-enouf | and it's not scsi |
| 00:04.16 | phlux | xeon-enouf: wodim finds my stuff in -scanbus :P |
| 00:04.24 | xeon-enouf | no it doesn't |
| 00:04.29 | valdyn | phlux: maybe he just has no permissions to access that device |
| 00:04.32 | phlux | orly |
| 00:04.35 | phlux | valdyn: perhaps |
| 00:04.39 | xeon-enouf | 23:51 < xeon-enouf> prove it |
| 00:04.46 | phlux | phlux@localhost:~$ wodim -scanbus |
| 00:04.47 | phlux | scsibus1000: 1000,0,0 100000) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD+-RW GSA-T11N' 'A103' Removable CD-ROM |
| 00:04.47 | valdyn | phlux: always good for you if you gave us the actual error message |
| 00:04.56 | xeon-enouf | stop spinning stories |
| 00:04.59 | phlux | lol |
| 00:05.04 | xeon-enouf | that drive SUCKS ass |
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| 00:05.20 | x-kent | weird stuff: I configured my wifi card, It authenticates and when I "dhcpclient eth1" I get an ip from dhcp server, but once I try to ping something I get destination unreachable (event the dhcp server) any idias ? |
| 00:05.28 | phlux | it's a laptop |
| 00:05.32 | oh_noes2 | how do I declare active and failover in multipath.conf ? At the moment I have both disks working but in round-robin |
| 00:05.39 | xeon-enouf | but that doesn't matter - except where HAL blacklisting is concerned |
| 00:05.46 | oh_noes2 | I just want a basic active then failover, then immediate fallbackl |
| 00:06.22 | xeon-enouf | that laptop SUCKS ass! .,, happy now? |
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| 00:07.12 | xeon-enouf | dmesg | grep ATAPI phlux .. as i said, tell your 'friend' to visit us |
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| 00:07.20 | xeon-enouf | if they're using Debian proper |
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| 00:08.57 | xeon-enouf | phlux: and they better have dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 and cat /etc/debian_version and apt-cache policy in a pastebin |
| 00:09.11 | allure | valdyn: not even feeding paper on the other tray works |
| 00:09.26 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, may you help me again man ? is there anything new in lenny that may block the traffic after I dhcp and get an address ? |
| 00:09.31 | valdyn | allure: sounds like your printer has issues |
| 00:09.41 | allure | valdyn: it works on windows machines =/ |
| 00:09.44 | valdyn | allure: do the printer self test |
| 00:09.54 | allure | that works |
| 00:10.01 | valdyn | allure: well, youre saying its ratteling |
| 00:10.11 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: what exactly is the problem? |
| 00:10.17 | valdyn | allure: would it rattle if it was not trying to pull in paper? |
| 00:10.59 | valdyn | allure: im kind of confused by your error description - printers cant do alot of fancy ratteling |
| 00:11.23 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I downloaded a firmware for my wifi card (ipw2100) installed it, wifi card working, iwconfigured it to authenticate with the ap, dhcliented the ip address (I get a dhcp response and IP is set) but I can't ping anything |
| 00:11.44 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: route and arp say? |
| 00:12.15 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I even tried pinging the dhcp server but I get "destination host unreachable" |
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| 00:12.26 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: you have no default gateway set |
| 00:12.30 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, route says that's the 192.168.0.1 is the default gateway (it's the router address) |
| 00:12.38 | xeon-enouf | or .. no resolve.conf |
| 00:12.45 | xeon-enouf | !resolv.conf |
| 00:12.45 | dpkg | resolv.conf is probably /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 00:12.57 | allure | valdyn: I don't know that word rattle |
| 00:13.00 | xeon-enouf | ping IP does waht? |
| 00:13.03 | allure | valdyn: I'm a portuguese speaker... |
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| 00:13.06 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I can't ping the dhcp server (btw /etc/resolve.conf has what it needs) |
| 00:13.06 | allure | valdyn: well... |
| 00:13.14 | allure | valdyn: it's trying to get paper non-stop |
| 00:13.17 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: via IP? or name? |
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| 00:13.27 | allure | valdyn: even tho when it has paper in it, it just loops on that and gets no paper |
| 00:13.43 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, I ping 192.168.0.1(router) and get "dest host unknown" |
| 00:13.51 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: pastebin the output of route + arp + ifconfig -a |
| 00:14.12 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:14.27 | x-kent | ok, just a sec I will pastebin it |
| 00:14.40 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: then that's not your router's address ... or something |
| 00:15.01 | valdyn | allure: yes, thats what i mean, you need someone who knows that printer on-site, or inspect this hardware yourself |
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| 00:15.18 | valdyn | allure: at least that is what its looking like |
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| 00:15.46 | allure | valdyn: yeah... I'll get some HP representative here tomorrow then =/ |
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| 00:21.09 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: 23:51 < valdyn> allure: or run "system-config-printer" <--closet RH user? :-P |
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| 00:23.16 | hark | xeon-enouf: apt-cache show system-config-printer :) |
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| 00:24.25 | x-kent | damn, closed xchat by mistake |
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| 00:25.21 | xeon-enouf | hark: O_o .. no wai! .. o m goofness! |
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| 00:26.05 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, http://pastebin.com/m61954c9a |
| 00:26.13 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, here is the output |
| 00:26.17 | xeon-enouf | hark: Debian is being assaulted from all fronts! ,,, must ,, fight ,, at .,, all ,,costs! |
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| 00:26.54 | x-kent | some weird arp output... |
| 00:27.32 | xeon-enouf | x-kent: no bueno |
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| 00:28.11 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, what is bueno ? |
| 00:28.11 | xeon-enouf | !bueno |
| 00:28.11 | hark | comma-smite enouf |
| 00:28.14 | xeon-enouf | aww ,, c'mon dpkg - i KNOW you speak Spanish@! |
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| 00:29.11 | x-kent | ok, bueno=good (according to dicitinary) |
| 00:29.22 | xeon-enouf | and WTF is this? 192.168.0.6 ether 00:22:fa:48:0d:68 C eth1 |
| 00:29.40 | x-kent | it's the laptop I am on now, connected to the same router |
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| 00:30.35 | x-kent | but they can't ping each other for some reason... :-( |
| 00:30.55 | x-kent | checked iptables, everything is on default accept and no rules defined |
| 00:31.00 | xeon-enouf | backs away slowly |
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| 00:31.55 | xeon-enouf | kind of sucks at net issues .. but when it's his boxen, he manages to 'get 'er done' |
| 00:32.24 | x-kent | xeon-enouf, laptop that I am on now is connected the very same way and works |
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| 00:32.49 | xeon-enouf | sorry x-kent ... if nobody else wants it - try ##networking or ##linux |
| 00:33.06 | x-kent | ok, will try |
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| 00:40.41 | phlux | is it possible to browse my network via CLI? |
| 00:40.52 | Juzzy | smbclient |
| 00:41.00 | phlux | hrm |
| 00:41.01 | xeon-enouf | browse? |
| 00:41.04 | phlux | thanks |
| 00:41.16 | xeon-enouf | ls -l :-P |
| 00:41.16 | Juzzy | nmap + smbclient :) |
| 00:41.17 | valdyn | phlux: kdes and gnomes file manager do this |
| 00:41.23 | valdyn | phlux: xfce's does too |
| 00:41.34 | phlux | valdyn: from CLI :P |
| 00:41.40 | phlux | not running X |
| 00:41.40 | xeon-enouf | any browser does local URIs |
| 00:41.41 | valdyn | phlux: ops |
| 00:41.46 | valdyn | phlux: smbtree |
| 00:41.51 | phlux | xeon-enouf: not links2 :P |
| 00:41.55 | xeon-enouf | links2 doesn't need D |
| 00:41.57 | xeon-enouf | X |
| 00:42.04 | xeon-enouf | yes it does |
| 00:42.11 | phlux | I couldn't get it to |
| 00:42.19 | xeon-enouf | hit 'g' then 'enter' |
| 00:42.32 | xeon-enouf | you're in /home |
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| 00:43.07 | xeon-enouf | file://192.x.x.x ... blah |
| 00:43.15 | Juzzy | I bet there's some fun autofs stuff you could do with auto.smb / auto.net + a quick nmap scan |
| 00:43.45 | valdyn | fusesmb |
| 00:43.51 | phlux | smbtree worked well |
| 00:43.58 | phlux | thanks |
| 00:44.06 | Juzzy | autofs will mount them on the fly |
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| 00:44.21 | valdyn | Juzzy: fusesmb already does this |
| 00:44.21 | xeon-enouf | links2 works well for those that can use browsers properly |
| 00:44.53 | xeon-enouf | for all others, there's windows utils |
| 00:45.03 | Juzzy | ah never used fusesmb, we're a heavy autofs shop since we used a highly mixed enviro |
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| 01:03.59 | pdbogen | Hi, guys. After upgrading to 2.6.30, my laptop seems to no longer be throwing lid or AC Adapter acpi events. I upgraded acpid and configured it to use netlink, but that didn't help any.. Anybody have some clues for me? |
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| 01:48.41 | Maithai | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.43 | Maithai | i'd say |
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| 01:49.02 | Maithai | but i'm kinda new to linux :| so i'm not 100% sure |
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| 02:04.48 | Aalinux | Hello,Is it possible to compile and install kernel 2.31 indebian? |
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| 02:05.56 | markybob | Aalinux, 2.31? no |
| 02:06.17 | markybob | wonders wtf 2.31 is |
| 02:06.36 | adb | 2.4.31 ? |
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| 02:08.51 | Aalinux | Sorry,kernel 2.6.31 |
| 02:09.15 | markybob | Aalinux, why would you think that it wouldnt be possible? |
| 02:09.47 | markybob | i'm on 2.6.31 right now |
| 02:10.03 | Aalinux | markybob: It's lenny i'm using. |
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| 02:10.27 | markybob | Aalinux, and is your mama fat? or do you have any other meaningless comments? :P |
| 02:10.46 | Aalinux | markybob: :-D |
| 02:11.19 | Aalinux | markybob: Confused because i didn't compile/install kernel before. |
| 02:11.41 | Aalinux | markybob: Thank you. |
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| 02:13.23 | maher | how can i get dhcp3-client to run a script every time th eip changes? |
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| 02:15.30 | RaviResck | which debian version i download for x32? |
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| 02:15.44 | ZeuZ | Guys, I've setup my macbook (almost) to use gentoo. Trouble is, I can't find the keybinding for actually placing the pipe (I mean, this |) Anyone knows? |
| 02:16.03 | markybob | ZeuZ, does this look like #gentoo to you? |
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| 02:17.58 | ZeuZ | markybob, well, it's actually irrelevant as it's more of: Does someone own it, and knows HOW the key is mapped? Wich is, crossover |
| 02:18.13 | ZeuZ | but, Thanks anyways. |
| 02:18.17 | markybob | ZeuZ, it's totally relevant. you're off topic |
| 02:18.59 | ZeuZ | Ok, guess what? In case it was Debian, same issue would apply and arise. But taking into account I am talking about something that is applying to my installation, not to the channel, I'll shut up, and refact: |
| 02:19.32 | RaviResck | which debian version i download for x32? uname -m i686 |
| 02:19.41 | ZeuZ | Being the keymap configured to match spanish-apple(intl) keyboard, my keymap won't recognize Alt-GR+1 to get the pipe symbol, anybody using DEBIAN happens to experience the same? |
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| 02:19.52 | markybob | RaviResck, i386 |
| 02:19.55 | ZeuZ | markybob, happy now? |
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| 02:20.03 | RaviResck | MARKYBOB thanks! =] |
| 02:20.17 | markybob | ZeuZ, no. i'm happy when people follow the guidelines and dont bullshit |
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| 02:20.31 | rares | evolution refuses to expunge newsgroup msgs |
| 02:20.44 | rares | i want them gone |
| 02:20.49 | ZeuZ | markybob, keep it up, I don't care. Someone who wants to exchange info, I'm listening. |
| 02:21.03 | markybob | ZeuZ, you apparently dont know #debian very well |
| 02:21.26 | ZeuZ | markybob, maybe because I left debian at potatoe? |
| 02:21.38 | markybob | ZeuZ, then you shouldnt be in here. that's the whole point |
| 02:21.41 | ZeuZ | In any case, I'm not in real intrest of exchangin' with you. |
| 02:21.46 | markybob | ZeuZ, go away |
| 02:22.04 | maher | ZeuZ: on the internet no one knows you are dan quayle |
| 02:22.16 | ZeuZ | Good thing is, I'm staying. Unless a mod decides to kick me, I'm not troubling. |
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| 02:23.09 | maher | here's another question, are dhcp-client's enter / exit hooks run on each lease, or just on daemon start / stop? |
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| 02:27.42 | PinkFreud | ZeuZ: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide should help you with Debian's use of keymaps and how they relate to Xorg. |
| 02:27.59 | ZeuZ | PinkFreud, thanks. Will check. |
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| 02:30.32 | ZeuZ | PinkFreud, found through a related thing that I need to mask this two keycodes: 115 for the ALT on the right, and 116 for the alt on the left (wich acts as Alt-GR) Thanks for everything. |
| 02:31.17 | PinkFreud | np |
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| 02:33.13 | Simon14 | i'm trying to get user A to be able to execute some scripts as user B without any password prompt using sudo, haven't been having any luck |
| 02:35.04 | ZeuZ | well, if through sudo you want to do it, you might want to edit /etc/sudoers to add NOPASSWD for the certain action |
| 02:35.19 | ZeuZ | man sudoers should give you an idea of how to do it. |
| 02:35.45 | Simon14 | i got lost in that man page |
| 02:36.07 | ZeuZ | Yeah, it's kind of complicated, let me see if I can find my little black book with that cheats |
| 02:36.28 | Simon14 | A ALL=NOPASSWD: (B) /path ? |
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| 02:37.19 | ZeuZ | I guess that could fail, but don't remember the entire thing and haven't found it yet, so try it... |
| 02:37.30 | Simon14 | it doesn't work |
| 02:37.31 | ZeuZ | Worst thing it can happen, is that the sudoers file get corrupted |
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| 02:37.48 | Simon14 | this is my only entry in sudoers so i'm not too worried about that |
| 02:39.05 | ZeuZ | Simon14, until I find it, this might be of help: http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1253846303556+28353475&threadId=1241858 |
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| 02:39.30 | Simon14 | thanks i'll take a look at that |
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| 02:39.43 | ZeuZ | According to the third or fourth post, that should do the trick. |
| 02:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Simon14, just set the suid-bit on the scripts... and copy them somewhere only this user has access to? |
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| 02:43.30 | Tramp | suid bit on (shebang) scripts will not work |
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| 02:44.46 | Tramp | and yes. sudo has the weirdest syntax known to man, combined with a ..... interesting manpage |
| 02:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | interestinger than... |
| 02:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemme think |
| 02:45.26 | Maithai | could anyone tell me, how to set the password for mysql root user (fresh installed debian & mysql) ? |
| 02:45.39 | mesa_booger | sudo voodoo |
| 02:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I've seen some interesting manpages anyway... hard to believe something beats all that |
| 02:46.28 | pickcoder | the best ones are the ones with a URL and a note saying to use the web docs |
| 02:46.36 | pickcoder | then the docs are all PDF |
| 02:46.38 | Tramp | i didn't say it beats all other. It's hard to beat though |
| 02:46.51 | pickcoder | kinda hard to view PDF in cli |
| 02:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdftext! |
| 02:47.05 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:47.17 | mesa_booger | svgalib |
| 02:47.28 | mesa_booger | framebuffer |
| 02:47.35 | mesa_booger | aalib |
| 02:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | svgalib doesn't work soooo well over ssh, though |
| 02:47.44 | pickcoder | or just look at it a machine with a GUI and print out the important bits |
| 02:47.51 | pickcoder | s/a/on a |
| 02:48.02 | Aalinux | man make-kpkg can't find manual. |
| 02:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, you said weirdest syntax... |
| 02:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | not weirdest manpage |
| 02:48.20 | Aalinux | markybob: man make-kpkg can't find manual. |
| 02:48.34 | markybob | Aalinux, you have to install kernel-package before you can man it |
| 02:49.07 | Simon14 | ZeuZ: thanks that did it |
| 02:49.08 | Aalinux | markybob: How? |
| 02:49.11 | Tramp | though I admit, there may be no metric for the weirdness of a syntax |
| 02:49.16 | Simon14 | i had nopasswd in the wrong place |
| 02:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I thought he's started to ask/address everybody personally with the same question now |
| 02:49.18 | markybob | Aalinux, aptitude install kernel-package |
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| 02:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, if, then probably only as deviation from the norm :) |
| 02:51.57 | Tramp | yeah. syntactical hamming distance |
| 02:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all so quiet... |
| 02:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there anything in Debian to join multiple html files? |
| 02:53.49 | Simon14 | thanks :) |
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| 02:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | like this multi-chapter stuff e.g. latex can make |
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| 02:57.24 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: htmldoc can convert them to a PS file, but I dunno if it's in the repo |
| 02:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps I can just zip the html files and fbreader then opens the zip file? |
| 02:57.50 | pickcoder | each file can be a chapter with page breaks, etc |
| 02:59.08 | JESSY | MMMM |
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| 02:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | each file is a chapter |
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| 03:07.18 | adamsits | ok, so, any ideas on a live backup of my entire server? Debian 4 |
| 03:07.35 | adamsits | want to clone it to a folder on the same server |
| 03:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsync? |
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| 03:10.54 | mesa_booger | tar czf with an exclude option of choice, for the dir the archive will be created in |
| 03:11.40 | mesa_booger | of course, tarring to another partition/drive is always better ... |
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| 03:13.41 | adamsits | don't I have to shut things down before I do that? |
| 03:13.57 | adamsits | if so, is there a quite way to do that |
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| 03:16.03 | adamsits | mesa_booger: what do you think? |
| 03:16.53 | mesa_booger | i would boot to single user mode, or shut down to single user mode |
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| 03:19.32 | mesa_booger | adamsits: if you can't afford the down time, then you need something a bit more adventurous and elaborate. rsync is an option, if space isn't an issue. and it's quicker than tar |
| 03:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need to shut down or anything... |
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| 03:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said "live"... tar would be an archive |
| 03:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you can tar -c |tar -x |
| 03:20.43 | adamsits | I have rsnapshot on some folders, but I wanted the whole thing |
| 03:20.49 | Aalinux | markybob: I downloaded linux-2.6.31.tar.bz2 extracted.What to do now? |
| 03:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsnapshot is nice... |
| 03:21.20 | adamsits | thanks guys for the help |
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| 03:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernel versions |
| 03:22.11 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 03:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernel |
| 03:22.28 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 03:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aalinux, take the 2.6.31 from experimental |
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| 03:23.42 | Aalinux | kernel.org |
| 03:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, trunk? |
| 03:24.20 | mesa_booger | Aalinux: i think CutMeOwnThroat is trying to say that it's better to use a debian kernel source |
| 03:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a precompiled package... |
| 03:24.43 | mesa_booger | indeed |
| 03:25.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does judd mean with "trunk", though |
| 03:26.12 | mesa_booger | trunk in git means the newest, baddest stuff |
| 03:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah.... but it's where the repository's supposed to be |
| 03:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps because it's shorter than "experimental"? |
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| 03:27.23 | pickcoder | woot-off still going |
| 03:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | in English? |
| 03:28.23 | pickcoder | woot.com? |
| 03:28.34 | pickcoder | they're still listing item after item |
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| 03:36.11 | mick_laptop | anyone knw if it is possible to add a user w/o the password prompt? i'd like to automate this w/o needing to use Expect.pm |
| 03:36.42 | puddles | mick_laptop: add entries to the proper file, just three of them, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group |
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| 03:37.07 | Aalinux | After make menuconfig getting error, compiling kernel |
| 03:38.03 | Aalinux | This is the error http://pastebin.com/m3a14af2b |
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| 03:39.20 | mesa_booger | puddles: what about /etc/gshadow ? |
| 03:39.57 | puddles | mesa_booger: :-) if you use group passwords |
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| 03:40.27 | Maithai | Aalinux: "Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again." did you try that ? |
| 03:40.36 | mick_laptop | thanks, i was hoping to have a -p option that could create the specified password w/ useradd |
| 03:40.47 | Maithai | apt-get install ncurses-devel |
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| 03:42.58 | puddles | mick_laptop: well, if you're going to do that then what's stopping you? |
| 03:43.25 | Aalinux | Maithai: Ye |
| 03:43.50 | Aalinux | Maithai: Following this http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian if i type .config nothing happens |
| 03:44.00 | mick_laptop | puddles: there is a -p? |
| 03:44.12 | puddles | mick_laptop: in my version there is :-) |
| 03:44.13 | mick_laptop | i was saying that i wish there was a -p :) |
| 03:44.26 | Maithai | Aalinux: did you mean ./config ? |
| 03:44.30 | Maithai | or .config |
| 03:45.25 | Aalinux | Maithai: .config , file doesn't exist |
| 03:45.37 | Maithai | i guess you should try ./config |
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| 03:45.57 | Maithai | oh.. now i see |
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| 03:46.27 | mick_laptop | ah it says the password as returned by crypt... how do i see that? |
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| 03:46.30 | Aalinux | Maithai: ./config file doesn't exist! |
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| 03:47.43 | mocklenny | anyone here setup a home server using Debian 5.0 (Lenny)? |
| 03:48.19 | puddles | mick_laptop: man 3 crypt; /usr/include/crypt.h, i'd write a short C program ... maybe perl, but i don't do perl :-) |
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| 03:49.18 | Tramp | mick_laptop: man mkpasswd |
| 03:49.49 | Maithai | Aalinux: sorry no idea whats wrong with the compiling thing... i'm still sort of a newbie to linux |
| 03:50.20 | Maithai | i downloaded the kernel and extracted it.. didnt have a .config file either |
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| 03:52.19 | Aalinux | Maithai: It's ok now . How can i set the default selection? |
| 03:52.40 | macrobat | Aalinux: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
| 03:52.49 | Maithai | what do you mean by default selection? |
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| 03:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aalinux, you didn't understand what I told you, did you? |
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| 04:01.52 | Aalinux | Maithai: Have you run make menuconfig? |
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| 04:02.10 | Maithai | oh ^^ nope i didnt |
| 04:02.54 | macrobat | the first thing to do as a new linux user is to compile a kernel, right? :) |
| 04:03.05 | Aalinux | Maithai: Run make menuconfig.Where is your kernel source? In ~/ or in /usr/src ? |
| 04:03.25 | Maithai | i put it in some temporary folder |
| 04:03.33 | Maithai | macrobat: are you serious? :o |
| 04:03.48 | macrobat | not very |
| 04:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aalinux, wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 04:04.03 | Maithai | *phew* good :D |
| 04:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, obviously... and ignore any advice telling you you don't need to |
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| 04:04.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | because... HOW SHOULD THEY KNOW?! |
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| 04:05.31 | clyphox | guys i have a unusual issue with one of my colos, wondering if anyone knows some tools i can use to test it |
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| 04:05.55 | clyphox | basicly the server apears to drop packets |
| 04:06.10 | clyphox | sporaticly but pretty hard |
| 04:06.14 | jetscreamer | doesn't everybody compile a kernel as soon as they can??? |
| 04:06.26 | jetscreamer | and then quit after realizing you don't need to? |
| 04:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no and no |
| 04:06.44 | jetscreamer | s'what i did |
| 04:06.46 | clyphox | i need something more advanced than ping to quantify my data loss rly |
| 04:06.57 | clyphox | jetscreamer: hell no |
| 04:07.02 | clyphox | some of us enjoy it :p |
| 04:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps if they don't all ask questions about it for a week in irc |
| 04:07.08 | jetscreamer | i used ot |
| 04:07.11 | jetscreamer | to* |
| 04:07.34 | jetscreamer | enjoy it i mean |
| 04:07.35 | clyphox | ...but ? |
| 04:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | enjoy to ask questions for a week? := |
| 04:07.50 | jetscreamer | i have better things to do.. and only one box active |
| 04:07.53 | clyphox | i most certainly need to quite often |
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| 04:08.26 | jetscreamer | it does cut down on the udev hell iirc |
| 04:08.30 | clyphox | tho its much nicer now that almost all hardware is supported these days |
| 04:08.36 | jetscreamer | udev still blows chunks |
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| 04:08.39 | clyphox | unlike dark days of the 90s lol |
| 04:10.04 | clyphox | so anyone know a program i can use to quanity udp (possibly all) network loss? |
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| 04:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually can't reach kernel-archive.buildserver.net |
| 04:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder why he can't just use 2.6.30, though |
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| 04:15.48 | adb | is down from (a) week(s) , i guess |
| 04:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:16.58 | adb | .buildserver i means |
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| 04:23.23 | Aalinux | Going to /usr/src/linux-2.6.31 ran fakeroot make deb-pkg seems it's compiling . |
| 04:25.35 | mocklenny | hi, is there a bash command that lists all the groups and users associated with the groups? |
| 04:26.05 | Aalinux | mocklenny: cat /etc/groups |
| 04:26.16 | Aalinux | mocklenny: cat /etc/passwd |
| 04:26.58 | mocklenny | Aalinux: thanks |
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| 04:28.14 | puddles | mocklenny: if NIS, you'll want "ypcat". |
| 04:28.14 | puddles | mocklenny: LDAP? |
| 04:29.25 | Aalinux | One question, Is it possible to install latest kernel such as 2.6.31 on any linux distribution like damnsmalllinux, ? |
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| 04:30.51 | mocklenny | puddles: I tried ypcat /etc/passwd and the command was not found on my bash terminal. |
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| 04:31.25 | puddles | mocklenny: you're probably just using plain files for authentication then. just concentrate on the files in /etc |
| 04:31.40 | mocklenny | puddles: thanks |
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| 04:35.37 | mocklenny | if groupadd is used to add groups, what would I use to delete groups? I tried groupdelete, but there is no manual entry for it |
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| 04:36.10 | mocklenny | nevermind, googled it |
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| 04:43.50 | puddles | oooh, hp mini 311, ion netbook |
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| 04:48.46 | ilj | I'm doing a netinst right now and I wonder if I can launch sshd to connect to the box and do everything from some other place. So far I haven't figured out how to get sshd running not having my disks partitioned and something installed onto them. I need ssh to connect to from the office to my ... |
| 04:48.51 | ilj | ... home machine and do software RAID from there, then install the system as usual. Give me a hint guys ^__^ |
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| 04:58.13 | puddles | ilj: might want to try pxeboot and scripted install, via debian preseeding, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 05:01.11 | ilj | puddles, thanks |
| 05:01.56 | puddles | ilj: no prob. *or* failing that you can still install debian interactively, but from another "livecd" distro |
| 05:02.39 | puddles | ilj: to do that you'd boot the livecd distro, allow ssh/telnet into it, then once in, you'd prepare your disk and so on so forth, then run the chroot debian installer |
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| 05:12.39 | Aalinux | Is it necessary to install yaird , mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18.3-default1 2.6.18.3-default1 , Isn't mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18.3-default1 2.6.18.3-default1 enough. "compiling kernel" |
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| 05:20.01 | Aalinux | man mkinitrd , command not found , |
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| 05:32.15 | k]t | well the upgrade was ok-- just broke a few things ((maybe more)) -- |
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| 05:48.38 | a-s | how much is a hdd of 1 tera? |
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| 05:52.37 | xeon-enouf | how much what |
| 05:53.15 | meshuggah | $ |
| 05:53.24 | xeon-enouf | !42 |
| 05:53.24 | dpkg | well, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 05:54.30 | kruznix | Good evening. I've got an older system which doesn't support USB booting and the cdrom drive on it is busted. I managed to put an iso of debian net install on the system and got the grub for dos working. Right now I'm in the interactive shell/install screen for debian. |
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| 05:54.39 | kruznix | It is unable to find the CD obviously because I don't have one. I was trying to mount -o loop debian.iso /cdrom/ but the command doesn't return an error and it doesn't actually seem to mount it. Can anyone offer any suggestions? |
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| 05:57.02 | xeon-enouf | is loop module loaded? how about isofs?, and output of 'mount' says? |
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| 05:57.56 | kruznix | I don't see a loop module when i do lsmod and the mount command returns just /dev/sda mounted |
| 05:58.14 | a-s | xeon-enouf: yes, how much is it in euros or $ ? |
| 05:58.38 | a-s | have somebody bought one? |
| 05:58.46 | a-s | I need one to keep the movies |
| 05:58.58 | a-s | better than keeping them on DVDs... |
| 05:59.02 | xeon-enouf | and how did you manage to "put an iso of debian net install on the system" ? |
| 05:59.12 | kruznix | modprobe loop doesn't appear to actually work though. |
| 05:59.13 | a-s | I need to use too many DVDs |
| 05:59.20 | xeon-enouf | please tell me there's no vfat FS or something |
| 05:59.34 | kruznix | xeon-enouf: copied the iso to a usb stick and ran the iso inside of windows |
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| 06:00.02 | xeon-enouf | a-s: you don't need to have 1HDD of 1TiB, you can have a few of less GB |
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| 06:00.40 | xeon-enouf | ran the ISO inside of windows? just use /msg dpkg debian.exe |
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| 06:01.12 | kruznix | xeon-enouf: yes, that's whut I did |
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| 06:01.29 | a-s | yes, but only 1 of 1T it's better for ransporting |
| 06:01.34 | a-s | transporting |
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| 06:01.44 | kruznix | xeon-enouf: I mounted the CD in a virtual CD Drive for Windows. It ran and did everything auto"magically" but when it got to the installer it didn't find the CD because there is no CD Drive |
| 06:01.45 | xeon-enouf | a-s: i can tell you where to look in the USA online for sales/deals |
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| 06:02.19 | a-s | it's good. please |
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| 06:03.10 | kruznix | xeon-enouf: i'll try that link though |
| 06:03.13 | kruznix | Thank you |
| 06:03.20 | xeon-enouf | well, why would you ask in euros? .. whatever , newegg.com, cheapstingybargains.net, bensbargains.net, and maybe slickdeals.something |
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| 06:04.53 | unitypunk_ | hey |
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| 06:04.56 | unitypunk_ | i got this problem. |
| 06:05.01 | unitypunk_ | this mp3player i have |
| 06:05.23 | unitypunk_ | mounts a virtual cd drive, and a flash drive |
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| 06:06.10 | unitypunk_ | and in rythem box i cant sync cause it sees it as another cd drive. |
| 06:06.20 | xeon-enouf | a-s: you'll need a decent enclosure too then, don't buy those drive-in-enclosure shits |
| 06:06.21 | unitypunk_ | instead of a mtp mp3 playetr |
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| 06:08.05 | xeon-enouf | flash is u3? |
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| 06:08.42 | unitypunk_ | wha? |
| 06:08.43 | xeon-enouf | and why couldn't rythymbox use a cd drive? |
| 06:08.58 | unitypunk_ | its virtual |
| 06:09.02 | xeon-enouf | !u3 |
| 06:09.03 | dpkg | i heard u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some part |
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| 06:09.07 | a-s | xeon-enouf: thanks |
| 06:09.13 | xeon-enouf | np |
| 06:09.16 | unitypunk_ | not u3 |
| 06:09.34 | unitypunk_ | its a cheap ipod shuffle clone |
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| 06:10.52 | unitypunk_ | or is there some way to make rhythem box see the flashspce instead so it can actually sync |
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| 06:11.15 | fredl | 'morning folks |
| 06:11.35 | xeon-enouf | no idea, .. to me windows + virtual == 2 strikes already |
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| 06:11.59 | fredl | why's that xeon-enouf ? |
| 06:12.05 | unitypunk_ | windows? |
| 06:12.15 | xeon-enouf | ooops, misunderstood? |
| 06:12.20 | unitypunk_ | xeon-enouf: who said anything about using windows? |
| 06:12.35 | xeon-enouf | wrong person, apologies - calm down already |
| 06:12.41 | fredl | I use windows for educational purposes. |
| 06:12.49 | unitypunk_ | the problem comes down to shen i plug my mp3player into my pc it comes up as a cd drive, so i cant sync to it. |
| 06:13.00 | xeon-enouf | edumacational malware |
| 06:13.06 | a-s | xeon-enouf: at http://bensbargains.net/deal/114785/ I see hdds very cheap (of 1T) |
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| 06:13.30 | xeon-enouf | a-s: i'm not going to shop for you ;-) |
| 06:13.45 | unitypunk_ | hard drives are getting so cheap |
| 06:14.03 | unitypunk_ | i rember when 120g was 150$+ |
| 06:14.49 | fredl | I remember holding on to 2G drives from machines I disasembled, knowing for sure and well that '2G is always going to come in handy someday' |
| 06:14.58 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: mp3player coming up as cd drive == ISOfs somewhere == u3 to me .. but you say it's not - guess we'll leave it there |
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| 06:15.25 | unitypunk_ | im not saying it fsent use the same tech |
| 06:15.32 | unitypunk_ | but how do i get rid of it. |
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| 06:16.34 | Arrowmaster | its probably like those new usb network adapters that show up as a storage device first with drivers on it then you have to send a special signal to it to make it show up as the real device |
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| 06:17.02 | xeon-enouf | not sure offhand .. hrm .. i'd never buy/have one .. but maybe http://www.u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3 |
| 06:17.28 | unitypunk_ | lol |
| 06:17.30 | xeon-enouf | note, you might lose all ability to access other files - careful - and backup prior |
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| 06:17.39 | unitypunk_ | yeah |
| 06:17.48 | Arrowmaster | it reformats the entire drive |
| 06:17.54 | unitypunk_ | okay is there a way to make rythem box use the flash space instead of the disk? |
| 06:17.57 | Arrowmaster | ive had to remove it from many flash drives |
| 06:18.23 | unitypunk_ | im worried if i do a deep format like that the mp3 player wont be able to work |
| 06:18.23 | Arrowmaster | does the flash space show up as a device? |
| 06:18.38 | unitypunk_ | the device comes up as sdb |
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| 06:18.52 | unitypunk_ | mounts files at /mount/blah/files |
| 06:19.14 | xeon-enouf | and only .mp3 files are on it? ls -l shows them? |
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| 06:19.16 | unitypunk_ | and this link to a disk shows up on the desktop. |
| 06:19.28 | Arrowmaster | run this: ls /dev/sdb* |
| 06:19.30 | xeon-enouf | forget links/icons and crap |
| 06:19.30 | unitypunk_ | more then mp3s but yes. |
| 06:19.57 | xeon-enouf | file -s /dev/sdb says? then use /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:20.04 | xeon-enouf | fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 06:20.09 | unitypunk_ | there is no dev/sda1 |
| 06:20.19 | Prathibha | I have installed debian-lenny in my system. I also have windows XP in my system. The grub menu is not showing the windows partition. It is displaying only the debian. |
| 06:20.22 | meshuggah | hello, can anyone say me how to install a flash player plugin in IceWeasel? please |
| 06:20.43 | unitypunk_ | oh duh |
| 06:20.49 | unitypunk_ | its not plugged in right now. |
| 06:20.50 | unitypunk_ | brb |
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| 06:21.04 | xeon-enouf | Prathibha: which grub version, update-grub show place a windows entry, otherwise os-prober for grub-pc/grub2 |
| 06:21.07 | Arrowmaster | meshuggah: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 06:21.31 | xeon-enouf | !mozplugger |
| 06:21.37 | xeon-enouf | or something |
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| 06:22.10 | meshuggah | Arrowmaster, thank |
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| 06:22.16 | Prathibha | xeon-enouf, 0.97 |
| 06:22.27 | xeon-enouf | grub1 ok |
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| 06:23.15 | unitypunk_ | ok |
| 06:23.16 | xeon-enouf | Prathibha: maybe you have installed grub a few times? other OSes besides windowsXP and Debian? |
| 06:23.58 | xeon-enouf | Prathibha: menu.lst has a commented out example - man grub .. but running update-grub should do it for you |
| 06:24.01 | unitypunk_ | xeon-enouf: krow@Servtop:~$ ls -s /dev/sdb |
| 06:24.01 | unitypunk_ | 0 /dev/sdb |
| 06:24.05 | Prathibha | xeon-enouf, grub, grub-common,grub-disk and grub-rescue-pc are the pacakges installed in the m/c. |
| 06:24.22 | Arrowmaster | unitypunk_: /dev/sdb* |
| 06:24.23 | Prathibha | xeon-enouf, is it necessary to install any other package. |
| 06:24.28 | Arrowmaster | with the * |
| 06:24.28 | unitypunk_ | nothing Arrowmaster . |
| 06:24.31 | unitypunk_ | oh |
| 06:24.43 | unitypunk_ | same output. |
| 06:24.53 | unitypunk_ | 0 /dev/sdb in yellow |
| 06:24.58 | Arrowmaster | sure its still on sdb now? |
| 06:25.06 | unitypunk_ | positive. |
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| 06:25.11 | unitypunk_ | sdb didnt exist |
| 06:25.11 | xeon-enouf | i said file and fdisk too |
| 06:25.14 | unitypunk_ | i plugged it in |
| 06:25.16 | unitypunk_ | it did exist. |
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| 06:25.32 | xeon-enouf | dmesg | tail to see - fdisk -l by itself |
| 06:25.39 | unitypunk_ | wha? |
| 06:25.56 | xeon-enouf | all these need root privs |
| 06:26.03 | unitypunk_ | dmesg doesnt.. |
| 06:26.09 | xeon-enouf | right |
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| 06:26.14 | unitypunk_ | whats the tail to see part? |
| 06:26.15 | _KaszpiR_ | ;D |
| 06:26.23 | xeon-enouf | let's argue some more about nonsense |
| 06:26.25 | kpjungle | !tell kpjungle about confmiss |
| 06:26.37 | xeon-enouf | have a nice day ;-) |
| 06:26.37 | _KaszpiR_ | pats xeon-enouf, keep the faith;D |
| 06:26.39 | liable | !tell kpjungle -about selftell |
| 06:26.56 | unitypunk_ | lol |
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| 06:30.06 | kpjungle | liable sorry, didnt know about that.. i apologize |
| 06:30.21 | liable | kpjungle: no problem, now you do :) |
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| 06:31.13 | kpjungle | :) for some reason, when i try to install apache2, it never gives me a working configuration file.. it always bombs out with a syntax error in the configuration file, anyone know whats up with that (using apt) |
| 06:31.43 | liable | does it tell you what line? |
| 06:31.51 | Open | <Open> if I put my cursor in the middle of a some text that I've written, it starts overwriting it <Open> what is this thing called<Open> and how do I turn it off. I pressed some key combination, I forget what it was |
| 06:32.04 | kpjungle | there are actually multiple ones.. Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 06:32.23 | kpjungle | if i remove that one, another one comes along. i was hoping for a working vanilla config |
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| 06:35.56 | kpjungle | and when im done with it all, i can get it up and running, but something weird is happening when i try and goto a website. my html is not being parsed :(' |
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| 06:36.17 | xeon-enouf | Open: try toggling the insert key |
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| 06:36.40 | Open | yeah.. it was the damn insert key. thanks xeon-enouf |
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| 06:40.58 | prasanna | xeon-enouf, other than grub and grub-common is any other packages required |
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| 06:42.09 | xeon-enouf | prasanna: not that i'm aware of offhand, apt-get install grub should pull in any dependencies |
| 06:42.32 | prasanna | xeon-enouf, ok |
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| 06:42.53 | xeon-enouf | prasanna: check out /usr/share/doc/grub*/ dirs as well |
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| 06:45.00 | xeon-enouf | prasanna: isn't there a grub-doc pkg? or grub-legacy-doc? (grub-legacy == grub1) |
| 06:45.18 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions grub-legacy-doc |
| 06:45.20 | judd | xeon-enouf: grub-legacy-doc -- sid: 0.97-47lenny1 lenny: 0.97-47lenny2 sid: 0.97-47lenny2 experimental: 0.97-51 sid: 0.97-58 squeeze: 0.97-58 |
| 06:45.59 | fredl | hey guys, I'm thinking of rebuilding my Lenny kernel and make it a more recent version. |
| 06:46.35 | fredl | in the kernel handbook for debian on doing it the debian way, it says to apt-get install linux-source-x.y.z first |
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| 06:47.13 | xeon-enouf | just install .30 from bpo ;-) |
| 06:47.15 | fredl | how up to date are the x.y.z versions usually? I see there's a linux-source-2.6.30 right now |
| 06:47.34 | xeon-enouf | judd kernels |
| 06:47.36 | judd | xeon-enouf: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-7); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 06:47.36 | fredl | and the latest mainline kernel is 2.6.31 |
| 06:47.47 | xeon-enouf | lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1) |
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| 06:48.28 | fredl | xeon-enouf, nah, I really want to have some bleeding edge, also might look into some kernel hacking myself but I want to stick to debian way. |
| 06:49.33 | fredl | so while backports is alright, it's not what I'm looking for right now. |
| 06:50.11 | fredl | so will a very recent kernel source version always be present in Lenny? |
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| 06:51.15 | rain | I am having difficulty getting my debian system running gnome to use a Novatel USB760 cellular modem. I have had it working on ubuntu, using the standard method given for this chip, but that method doesn't seem to work in debian. |
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| 06:53.30 | rain | can anybody help? |
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| 06:56.05 | fredl | not me, sorry rain. |
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| 06:56.37 | fredl | I don't think anybody's really awake yet, including myself :) |
| 06:56.38 | liable | rain: where is it failing? |
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| 06:57.24 | rain | the usb760 has a built in mass storage device, so debian mounts it as a drive |
| 06:57.56 | rain | i set it up to unmount it and i added the required info to the required files so it would recognize the modem |
| 06:57.57 | liable | it should also load the module for the cell bit. does dmesg mention it at all? |
| 06:57.57 | umarzuki | hi, how do i make sure my debian server booted into text mode instead of starting X server? |
| 06:58.19 | svenx | disable [xg?]dm |
| 06:58.20 | xeon-enouf | !nodm |
| 06:58.20 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 06:58.29 | svenx | or that.. :) |
| 06:59.06 | rain | the usb760 has two modes that dont work simultaneously: mass storage and modem |
| 06:59.07 | umarzuki | thx |
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| 06:59.20 | rain | so the trick is to get it to switch modes |
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| 06:59.42 | rain | to do that I have to unmount the drive then it should automatically see the modem |
| 06:59.46 | liable | odd hardware combo.. |
| 06:59.48 | mortsmel- | guys, i'm using ucarp w/ /etc/interfaces/network ... what is the correct param for the preempt change over |
| 06:59.52 | rain | but, it doesnt do like it should |
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| 07:00.07 | rain | they use the storage part to hold the verizon software |
| 07:01.00 | rain | on my ubuntu system it worked to auto unmount the device and add the usb modem info to a file |
| 07:01.12 | rain | but on debian, no cigar |
| 07:01.24 | rain | weird because ubuntu is based on debian |
| 07:01.44 | rain | on debian it unmounts it, but then remounts it a few seconds later |
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| 07:02.05 | rain | is there a way to make it not mount that drive? |
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| 07:03.51 | liable | i cant think of a way to stop an automounter from working for just one device |
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| 07:04.41 | rain | is there a file that tells the automounter how to act? |
| 07:04.54 | Arrowmaster | there are atleast 2 different packages in debian for usb modems like that |
| 07:04.57 | rain | is there a line that coul;d be added that tells it don't mount such and such? |
| 07:05.17 | Arrowmaster | and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6629539 has some info for doing it manually |
| 07:05.25 | liable | i was thinking possibly udev rules, but im not sure |
| 07:05.29 | rain | the key item is to get the usb device to switch from the cdrom mode (with id 1410:5030) to the modem mode (with id 1410:6000) |
| 07:05.29 | xeon-enouf | udev rules |
| 07:05.48 | xeon-enouf | uff |
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| 07:05.59 | liable | to slow |
| 07:06.21 | xeon-enouf | rain: which kernel versions on each distro? |
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| 07:06.46 | xeon-enouf | rain: run update-usbids and update-pciids while at it |
| 07:07.04 | rain | current amd64 on debian, current x86 on ubuntu |
| 07:07.22 | xeon-enouf | rain: versions! ;-) |
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| 07:08.21 | xeon-enouf | not arch ;-) but x86 is a superset of amd64 .. so not even acceptable answer if i did ask for ARCH ;-) |
| 07:09.39 | fredl | hey guys, chapter 4.2 of the debian kernel handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-getting) it says 'apt-get source linux-major'.... |
| 07:09.47 | rain | my answer was, in clearer English, the current kernel version available from debian for the amd64 kernel |
| 07:10.09 | fredl | I already got the kernel source by doing apt-get install linux-source-2.6.30 right? |
| 07:10.14 | xeon-enouf | rain: ok, have a nice day ;-) |
| 07:10.35 | fredl | should I still do the 'apt-get source linux-major' then? |
| 07:11.05 | liable | what the hell is that source of? |
| 07:11.13 | fredl | the kernel. |
| 07:11.21 | liable | never heard of it |
| 07:11.28 | xeon-enouf | neither |
| 07:11.47 | fredl | well do you recompile your own kernel? |
| 07:11.55 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:12.00 | Arrowmaster | most people dont |
| 07:12.02 | xeon-enouf | i have a few times, yes |
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| 07:12.18 | Arrowmaster | i havent in many years |
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| 07:12.39 | fredl | I havent in many years either but before that it used to be almost daily routine :-) |
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| 07:12.58 | Laughing_God | What is the users friendly OS in linux??Im newbie so what would be easy for beginners??? |
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| 07:13.14 | void_pointer | Laughing_God probably Dumbuntu |
| 07:13.22 | void_pointer | Laughing_God sorry, ubuntu |
| 07:13.41 | fredl | Laughing_God, #debian is not the right channel to ask that question :P |
| 07:13.45 | xeon-enouf | $ apt-get source linux-source-2.6.30 works for me - but i like apt-cache showsrc linux-[tab][tab] better prior |
| 07:13.47 | ^rain^ | Arrowmaster, what do you mean by udev rules may be the issue? |
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| 07:15.09 | Laughing_God | Thanks guys |
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| 07:16.28 | void_pointer | Laughing_God work your way up to debian |
| 07:17.05 | Laughing_God | What is the diffrent between ubuntu and debian? |
| 07:17.15 | unitypunk_ | eh |
| 07:17.41 | unitypunk_ | lots of things. |
| 07:17.49 | ^rain^ | ubuntu finds my modem after following snstructions and debian doesnt |
| 07:17.58 | unitypunk_ | uh |
| 07:18.12 | unitypunk_ | if you gave debian the right instructions it would probably work fine. |
| 07:18.14 | void_pointer | Laughing_God if you don't know use ubuntu |
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| 07:18.27 | unitypunk_ | ubuntu is more like windows. |
| 07:18.33 | void_pointer | Laughing_God if you use it for any amount of time it will lead you to the promised land of debian |
| 07:18.44 | unitypunk_ | agreed. |
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| 07:19.22 | ^rain^ | i thought it would be a good idea to do the debian thing, since ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 07:19.24 | void_pointer | If you wake up one day and say "Hmm, I wonder how I re-compile a kernel", you know you are ready for debian |
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| 07:19.34 | ^rain^ | my only complaint is that i can't get the modem to work right |
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| 07:19.42 | Laughing_God | That means i need some extra knowledge if want to use debian compare to ubuntu? |
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| 07:20.03 | umarzuki | Laughing_God: mostly true |
| 07:20.08 | eagles0513875 | Laughing_God: wether u use debian or kubuntu commands are gonna be the same |
| 07:20.24 | unitypunk_ | not all of them eagles0513875 . |
| 07:20.46 | eagles0513875 | most of them |
| 07:20.48 | the-dude | ubuntu is more "bleeding-edge" and has some special drivers that debian doesn't want |
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| 07:20.53 | Laughing_God | kubuntu or ubuntu? What is the diffrents? |
| 07:21.00 | Maithai | the gui i guess |
| 07:21.01 | void_pointer | if you want him asking a lot of ubuntu style questions in here, steer him to ubuntu ..... otherwise, it should be ubuntu |
| 07:21.01 | unitypunk_ | desktop |
| 07:21.03 | eagles0513875 | kubuntu = kde ubuntu = gnome |
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| 07:21.07 | unitypunk_ | kubuntu uses kmd |
| 07:21.08 | void_pointer | it is obvious he is a novice |
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| 07:21.10 | Arrowmaster | Laughing_God: if you are able to follow http://www.xkcd.com/627/ then you should be fine, ubuntu seems to like to create their own configuration panels for everything or edit configuration panels to move certain things around to me more 'user friendly' |
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| 07:21.30 | void_pointer | and I would doubt the terms "bleeding-edge" and even "drivers" mean much to him at this point |
| 07:21.34 | unitypunk_ | ubuntu uses gnome. |
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| 07:22.10 | ^rain^ | void, well don't beat him down because he hasn't made it to your plateau |
| 07:22.21 | hark | Arrowmaster: what configuration panels for example? |
| 07:22.24 | void_pointer | ^rain^ I'm doing the opposite |
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| 07:22.53 | void_pointer | ^rain^ because I want him to use (and keep using) linux I suggest ubuntu |
| 07:22.55 | ^rain^ | oh, my error then on perception |
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| 07:23.10 | unitypunk_ | mannn |
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| 07:23.48 | Arrowmaster | hark: i dont remember specifics but i swear everytime i find info for configuring something and it comes from somebody using ubuntu the screenshots show config panels under system that are different from what i have |
| 07:24.51 | void_pointer | I mean, is there anyone who uses Ubuntu for any length of time that doesn't eventually get to Debian ;) |
| 07:25.32 | Andorin | That's what I did. |
| 07:25.50 | Andorin | Went from Ubuntu to Debian and I love it. |
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| 07:27.10 | void_pointer | I went from AIX to Debian. I bet I loved it more ;) |
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| 07:29.11 | Misterjors | how to install flash 10 in mozilla? http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer i tried this one, but that didn't work |
| 07:29.13 | Andorin | Possibly, since I've only been using Linux full-time for five and a half months. |
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| 07:29.28 | gooddddd | $uptime |
| 07:29.34 | gooddddd | 251257 |
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| 07:30.09 | Roksteady | void_pointer: word, I could only stand 6 months as AIX admin before I quit my last job |
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| 07:30.21 | fredl | sjeezus. 'make oldconfig' going from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30.... |
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| 07:30.47 | fredl | I'm wondering if all the questions I still have to answer are all 'new things' in 2.6.30 |
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| 07:31.43 | void_pointer | Roksteady heh, I was using that puppy in '92. Still gives me the occasional nightmare. Except when I think of HP/UX .... |
| 07:31.46 | void_pointer | shudders |
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| 07:32.22 | victorrc | haha |
| 07:32.28 | xeon-enouf | fredl: yes |
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| 07:32.32 | victorrc | well down |
| 07:32.48 | fredl | xeon-enouf, that's *stunning* there are SO MANY new things then. |
| 07:33.02 | fredl | I had no idea that the kernel development is still *that* active |
| 07:33.14 | xeon-enouf | then you tweak in the followup with make menuconfig - install libncurses5-dev |
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| 07:33.36 | xeon-enouf | extremely - many many changes - all the time |
| 07:33.37 | fredl | yeah I remember that one from the old days. |
| 07:33.48 | fredl | I also liked make xconfig |
| 07:33.55 | solars | can anyone suggest a lightweight mp3 player with last.fm scrobbling to quickly test if it works? |
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| 07:34.20 | xeon-enouf | or that, i'm a menuconfig guy, plain config is too arcane for me |
| 07:34.20 | fredl | but even make oldconfig asks more *new* questions than kernels in my days asked for the *complete list of options* |
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| 07:34.33 | Roksteady | xeon-enouf: AIX is fine if you know all workarounds :) |
| 07:34.48 | fredl | AIX is dead. |
| 07:34.54 | fredl | it just doesn't know it yet. |
| 07:34.56 | xeon-enouf | did you cp over your /boot/config-`uname -r` and rename it .config? |
| 07:34.57 | Misterjors | ok, found it, had to remove apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla this before it works |
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| 07:35.36 | void_pointer | There are a lot of organizations still using it |
| 07:35.41 | fredl | LOL Enable Wireless USB extensions (EXPERIMENTAL) (USB_WUSB) [N/m/y/?] (NEW) |
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| 07:35.57 | fredl | where do you put the USB plug if it's wireless? |
| 07:36.03 | fredl | ok I'll shut up |
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| 07:36.25 | liable | in the usb port... |
| 07:36.28 | xeon-enouf | it's for usb wifi devices |
| 07:36.31 | xeon-enouf | dongles! |
| 07:36.41 | xeon-enouf | use ? and shaddup ;-) |
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| 07:37.04 | xeon-enouf | and answer the question about the .config |
| 07:37.19 | xeon-enouf | and _then_ shaddup :-P |
| 07:37.26 | fredl | oops didn't see that one... |
| 07:37.41 | fredl | no make oldconfig will copy over existing values |
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| 07:37.56 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 07:38.05 | fredl | and then it will ask questions about new config options. |
| 07:38.20 | fredl | you didn't know that? :-) |
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| 07:39.44 | beli | hi there...someone here using tripwire? i've got problems updating the database...it always tells that it cant open some .twr file |
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| 07:40.55 | victorrc | weekly |
| 07:41.16 | victorrc | kill me |
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| 07:42.45 | fredl | 9:42... lessee how long this kernel build will actually take on this Core i7 |
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| 07:43.23 | fredl | it's going with extreme prejudice as far as I can tell right now. |
| 07:44.02 | liable | core17? |
| 07:44.09 | liable | oh, i7.. |
| 07:44.16 | liable | whats that? |
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| 07:44.23 | fredl | a CPU |
| 07:44.30 | hmage | вÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 07:44.31 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i forgot you're using debian sources, i use kernel.org ones mainly |
| 07:44.48 | Caelum | having issues with aptitude: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/34255 |
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| 07:44.53 | liable | well duh.. |
| 07:44.58 | fredl | xeon-enouf, make oldconfig also works on kernel.org kernels. |
| 07:45.16 | fredl | well duh dont well duh me if you ask well duh questions. |
| 07:45.23 | xeon-enouf | no it doesn't - not without cp over the config |
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| 07:45.44 | fredl | xeon-enouf, yes it does. Wanna bet? |
| 07:45.49 | liable | smartass |
| 07:45.50 | xeon-enouf | kernel.org has no concept of a /boot/config-* |
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| 07:45.57 | mementomori | hi |
| 07:46.03 | xeon-enouf | fredl: $5000 |
| 07:46.06 | fredl | http://kerneltrap.org/node/2550 |
| 07:46.50 | Aalinux | Hello, I'm using kde . If i double click any window it's not maximized , rather it's collasped at top. How can i set that behaviour from kde control center? |
| 07:46.53 | xeon-enouf | happy dances as he counts his $$$ |
| 07:46.57 | mementomori | I have a strange problem sharing the same path using samba and nfs |
| 07:46.59 | fredl | that's been in the kernel since the 0.9 versions. |
| 07:47.12 | fredl | I go ask #linux they should know |
| 07:47.18 | fredl | come on over! |
| 07:47.32 | Caelum | Aalinux: use a different window manager? |
| 07:47.56 | mementomori | the server is a samba pdc and I'm exporting the users home profiles also via nfs |
| 07:47.57 | Caelum | ok screw it, will upgrade with apt-get |
| 07:48.06 | xeon-enouf | and what happens when you run make distclean? or make mrproper fredl? |
| 07:48.34 | xeon-enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+*/Makefile#L1269 |
| 07:48.43 | fredl | xeon-enouf, fredl> hey folks, has 'make oldconfig' been in the kernel forever, independent of Debian? |
| 07:48.58 | Misterjors | hey, somebody experience with hdparm? i set this in /etc/defaults/hdparm: " harddisks="/dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/hdc /dev/hdd" |
| 07:48.58 | Misterjors | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.02 | fredl | [R]> fredl: of course |
| 07:49.12 | mementomori | when a win client joins the domain the linux clients can't anymore mount the nfs exports |
| 07:49.34 | mementomori | I need to restart the nfs service |
| 07:49.40 | xeon-enouf | fredl: you're entirely misunderstanding ; make oldconfig is meant to ask ONLY new features/changes - not ALL |
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| 07:49.52 | fredl | yes I know!! |
| 07:49.55 | fredl | duh :P |
| 07:49.57 | mementomori | in order to let linux clients to use the nfs exports |
| 07:50.08 | fredl | that's what I've been saying |
| 07:50.29 | xeon-enouf | so, you're incorrect |
| 07:50.33 | fredl | and even the NEW options in 2.6.30 are more plentifull than ALL the options in my 0.9 days used to be. |
| 07:50.45 | mementomori | why is samba preventing nfs to work properly? |
| 07:50.54 | mementomori | any idea? |
| 07:51.01 | fredl | I think we're on different wavelengths so you will not have to pay me $5000 :-) |
| 07:51.10 | xeon-enouf | you do NOT end up with ANY .config when you start with a kernel.org kernel! |
| 07:51.10 | Aalinux | Caelum: How ? |
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| 07:51.39 | xeon-enouf | so make oldconfig presents ALL options in that case, since you didn't have anything to reference as changing! |
| 07:51.45 | fredl | ofcourse not but that's now what I was saying :P |
| 07:51.50 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 07:52.11 | fredl | yeah you're saying it right but you're saying the same thing I've been saying |
| 07:52.13 | fredl | grins |
| 07:52.37 | xeon-enouf | sends liable over to fredl 's to collect on a debt ;-P |
| 07:52.44 | fredl | checks if his system is getting warm at all after 10 minutes into compiling the kernel |
| 07:52.48 | ^rain^ | xeon-enouf, my kernel version is 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:52.48 | Caelum | Aalinux: make an .xsession that starts the WM you want (that is kde compatible) then have it run startkde |
| 07:52.54 | Caelum | Aalinux: or maybe kdeinit, not sure |
| 07:52.54 | xeon-enouf | gives liable a 10% cut |
| 07:53.01 | fredl | Hmm, I'd say it's warmer indeed. |
| 07:53.05 | liable | blows it all at the pub |
| 07:53.16 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 07:53.40 | Aalinux | Caelum: Oh |
| 07:53.48 | ^rain^ | do you know how I can get the device not to mounht? |
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| 07:54.26 | Aalinux | Caelum: From Control center>Desktop>Window behaviour>Title bar action>maximize |
| 07:54.35 | Aalinux | Caelum: Solved |
| 07:54.53 | fredl | xeon-enouf, would you agree that when you're compiling a kernel, you already have a kernel running? |
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| 07:55.05 | xeon-enouf | doesn't matter |
| 07:55.06 | fredl | yes... yes... yes... |
| 07:55.10 | xeon-enouf | irrelevant |
| 07:55.13 | Caelum | Aalinux: cool :) |
| 07:55.14 | fredl | no no, answer the question! |
| 07:55.33 | Aalinux | Caelum: Hot:P |
| 07:55.40 | fredl | so if you already have a running kernel, if you're good you have a .config laying around, rrrright? |
| 07:55.41 | ^rain^ | would someone please help me solve my problem? |
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| 07:55.46 | xeon-enouf | fredl: kernel,org presumes a /proc/config,gz - debian has that disabled - capisce!? |
| 07:56.04 | xeon-enouf | fredl: wrong |
| 07:56.05 | Caelum | ^rain^: I think this channel used to do that a long time ago |
| 07:56.19 | xeon-enouf | it has to be renamed to .config |
| 07:56.27 | ^rain^ | Caelum: is there a channel that still does? |
| 07:56.32 | xeon-enouf | and placed into the /src dir |
| 07:56.39 | fredl | LOL xeon-enouf you're so full of it :P |
| 07:56.41 | fredl | runs |
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| 07:57.12 | fredl | Hmm, its still compiling. |
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| 07:57.26 | fredl | that's 15 minutes already, Core i7 SUCKS |
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| 07:57.39 | Caelum | fredl: it takes me like a day to compile a kernel on my eee pc :) |
| 07:57.41 | fredl | I can compile firefox faster than that :P |
| 07:57.49 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i build my kernels on another HDD, so src/ dir just means my build dir, usually i let it create it's /usr/src/linux symlink structure over there - |
| 07:57.52 | fredl | Caelum, LOL |
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| 07:58.33 | Caelum | fredl: of course most of the time it's compiling drivers I don't need because I use the debian config... |
| 07:58.37 | fredl | I don't need a /usr/src/linux symlink structure. |
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| 07:58.45 | xeon-enouf | and why aren't you using make-kpkg if using debian source? |
| 07:58.50 | fredl | I use fakeroot, the Debian way :) |
| 07:59.00 | xeon-enouf | it'll do it automatically |
| 07:59.15 | fredl | well there ya go :-) fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 07:59.19 | xeon-enouf | make-kpkg uses fakeroot all on it's own |
| 07:59.22 | fredl | that's what's running now. |
| 07:59.30 | xeon-enouf | you don't need to call fakeroot! |
| 07:59.43 | fredl | well that's what the Debian Linux kernel handbook says. |
| 07:59.44 | liable | hmm |
| 07:59.53 | liable | its in the man page iirc |
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| 08:00.11 | fredl | right now I'm just following instructions :-) |
| 08:00.15 | liable | yeah, --rootcmd switch |
| 08:00.23 | fredl | I mean we're on #debian here right? |
| 08:00.23 | xeon-enouf | and your initrd will fail to be created if you use a newer kernel-package ... not sure which version Lenny has |
| 08:00.40 | g00se | I'd be interested to know what you folks make of these from our perspective: https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ It's ARM afaik |
| 08:00.41 | xeon-enouf | !kp mantra |
| 08:00.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 08:01.04 | g00se | ('our' being Debian of course) |
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| 08:01.11 | xeon-enouf | that fakeroot was never there ... wtf! |
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| 08:01.20 | liable | !win me |
| 08:01.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 08:01.21 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. maybe it was ... |
| 08:01.25 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 08:01.39 | feNNec_ | Hi all |
| 08:01.48 | fredl | smiles |
| 08:02.21 | mementomori | anyone for the samba/nfs problem? |
| 08:02.39 | liable | not me! |
| 08:02.45 | Caelum | if I were to make a kernel with just stuff I need, how would I find out what stuff I need? and what if I later need to add a module? |
| 08:03.04 | liable | Caelum: dont bother |
| 08:03.07 | fredl | Caelum - modules can always be compiled separately right? |
| 08:03.18 | Caelum | liable: yeah that's what I thought |
| 08:03.23 | fredl | if I remember correctly that is. |
| 08:03.24 | xeon-enouf | spends his 4500 on a tutorial for fredl |
| 08:03.29 | g00se | Caelum: You'd need to have a very accurate picture of your hardware and intentions |
| 08:03.42 | fredl | gives xeon-enouf a fakeroot |
| 08:03.44 | xeon-enouf | s/tutorial/tutor/ :-P |
| 08:04.04 | xeon-enouf | converts fakeroot to real_root ;-) |
| 08:04.23 | liable | hey! this is a family channel! |
| 08:04.28 | fredl | I saw somebody on another channel the other day say 'should rooting be made illegal?' |
| 08:04.44 | fredl | told him it is in some countries as it is prostitution. |
| 08:04.57 | fredl | fortunately he understood some ozzie slang |
| 08:04.59 | liable | facinating.. |
| 08:05.03 | feNNec_ | Just a short one: I'm living with Sid and no icon in my Gnome desktop for a while. None of any nautilus update has solved the issue yet. Any idea about what's wrong? |
| 08:05.47 | liable | icons for what? |
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| 08:06.03 | g00se | feNNec_: You have Gnome with no desktop icons? |
| 08:06.26 | Guerin | feNNec_: "I'm living with Sid" <-- this is what's wrong |
| 08:06.32 | feNNec_ | yes, no icon on destop at startup |
| 08:06.38 | fredl | well I guess I should have time'd my build to find out how long it'll take coz I'm not going to wait for it to finish, the dog needs to pee! |
| 08:06.43 | fredl | laterz |
| 08:06.46 | liable | someone had to say it.. |
| 08:07.04 | simonrvn | you don't live with sid, you make sure it doesn't misbehave |
| 08:07.05 | ^rain^ | I have a Novatel USB760 cellular modem and am trying to use it on Debian ("Lenny") kernel version 2.6.26-2-amd64. When the device is inserted it is recognized as a mass storage device. Therefore, I added some code to 70-persistent=cd.rules that unmounts it. Then I added device info to 10-modem.fdi. |
| 08:07.09 | feNNec_ | Guerin: it was the same with testing! |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | liable: it's ok. I'm living with Sid, too. |
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| 08:07.21 | liable | he sure is popular! |
| 08:07.32 | Guerin | feNNec_: based on nothing, i think your Desktop folder has been deleted |
| 08:07.43 | ^rain^ | It mounts the mass storage device, then unmounts it, then mounts it again |
| 08:07.50 | liable | try another theme too, see if they appear |
| 08:07.57 | simonrvn | or nautilus crashed, or you killed it |
| 08:08.06 | Guerin | liable: little fucker hasn't smashed anything in a while, I think I'm due |
| 08:08.32 | Guerin | ironically my rock-solid hyper-conservative openbsd box threw a raid component for no apparent reason the other week |
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| 08:08.33 | feNNec_ | Guerin: no, desktop folder is there. I can initialize it by alt-f2 nautilus |
| 08:08.44 | liable | Guerin: aye, i havent had to do much except for the fucking bluetooth upgrade was a pain |
| 08:08.53 | ^rain^ | does anyone know where I can go to get help? |
| 08:08.55 | Guerin | should really get around to fixing that |
| 08:08.58 | liable | with no goddam docs |
| 08:09.10 | Guerin | ^rain^: why is that a problem? |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | liable: aww :( |
| 08:09.17 | liable | me too, still downgraded and held |
| 08:09.44 | liable | Guerin: hey, you eating our topsoil? |
| 08:09.47 | ^rain^ | Guerin: I need to use the modem part of the device and as long as its in disk mode it wont work. |
| 08:10.09 | xeon-enouf | ^rain^: try a .30 backports kernel if lsusb -v doesn't see your device/vendorID pair |
| 08:10.27 | liable | any idea what chip it has? |
| 08:10.28 | Guerin | liable: not me. But some of the folks up the coast are. |
| 08:10.46 | ^rain^ | xeon-enouf: please explain what you mean |
| 08:11.09 | liable | i think his main problem is to stop it getting mounted. |
| 08:11.12 | Guerin | liable: we have had a southerly the last couple of days but it claims there's a norwester tomorrow, that might send some down my way |
| 08:11.24 | Guerin | liable: i've moved out to the exurbs, BTW |
| 08:11.39 | liable | Guerin: we should charge you for it! |
| 08:11.40 | xeon-enouf | ^rain^: wait, what does udevinfo -q all -n /dev/cdromX say for it when it's mounted as cdrom drive |
| 08:11.48 | Guerin | best way to stop it getting mounted is to get the fuck rid of gnome and such |
| 08:11.49 | liable | exurbs? got land? |
| 08:12.06 | Guerin | liable: half-gallon quarter-acre pavlova paradise |
| 08:12.24 | liable | nice |
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| 08:12.25 | xeon-enouf | or whatever /dev/name udev gives it rain |
| 08:12.29 | g00se | ^rain^: So you need to find out what's remounting it |
| 08:12.31 | xeon-enouf | your nick is a PITA |
| 08:12.58 | ^rain^ | xeon-enouf, the device never actually mounts to a usable folder. It just shows up as a device unmounted (yet mounted!?!?) in the explorer |
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| 08:13.15 | liable | yep, if i have to do two keypresses for a nicktab, no talky to you! |
| 08:13.22 | pengwen | I want to move mbr from hd0 to hd1 (from one scsi-disk to another) and remove hd0, any obvious pitfalls? |
| 08:13.24 | xeon-enouf | i can't deal with GUI automounters and shit |
| 08:13.27 | ^rain^ | how do i find what dev/name it has? |
| 08:13.34 | Guerin | xeon-enouf: nor. |
| 08:13.34 | liable | dmesg |
| 08:13.56 | xeon-enouf | pengwen: yes - incorrect partition end/layout |
| 08:14.12 | Guerin | i have 'm' aliased to 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbkey' |
| 08:14.22 | xeon-enouf | dmesg - or fdisk or lsusb |
| 08:14.36 | liable | i think your lagging dude. |
| 08:14.46 | liable | or your brain is.. |
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| 08:15.05 | liable | prolly having to read with one eye shut again.. |
| 08:15.39 | Guerin | pengwen: shouldn't present any. As always, test with the new before dismantling the old. But the MBR isn't any special mojo really. |
| 08:15.51 | xeon-enouf | pengwen: and when you say remove, you mean physically? if so, then hd1 becomes hd0 |
| 08:16.13 | pengwen | so just get mbr over onto the second disc and get grub to think of the hd1 as hd0? |
| 08:16.30 | liable | if you change it on the controller |
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| 08:18.00 | liable | Guerin: been fishing? |
| 08:18.47 | Guerin | liable: i wish. I have a house and a kid now. I have yard work and renovations and shit to do. |
| 08:19.25 | liable | Guerin: all the more reason to GTFO of the house :) |
| 08:19.31 | Guerin | goddamn right |
| 08:19.37 | Guerin | Sunday is looking likely |
| 08:20.02 | liable | work has been sending me to Barrow island. Coral trout country from the rocks! |
| 08:20.05 | xeon-enouf | volunteers liable to go trim Guerin 's rafter tails :-P |
| 08:20.13 | liable | hah |
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| 08:20.32 | liable | i had to rip the guttering down in the end. too many fucking leaves.. |
| 08:20.50 | Guerin | liable: you probably don't have rain to worry about, though |
| 08:21.02 | liable | Guerin: not up there. |
| 08:21.09 | Guerin | indeed. |
| 08:21.33 | liable | been raining lots in perth though. thankfully mostly while i'm away |
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| 08:22.07 | groton | any way to download message from a IMAP mailbox and store them permanently even when it is deleted from the mail box? |
| 08:22.32 | liable | make a keeper folder? |
| 08:22.42 | Guerin | groton: fetchmail? |
| 08:22.50 | Guerin | forgets if it does imap |
| 08:22.58 | Guerin | and hell, fetchmail is horrible to use\ |
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| 08:23.09 | simonrvn | offlineimap + backup copy |
| 08:23.09 | simonrvn | it does |
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| 08:24.09 | groton | simonrvn, could you elaborate more? |
| 08:24.36 | simonrvn | what's there to elaborate? |
| 08:24.58 | zorg | Do you know if it exist web gui like openfiler (or freenas) for debian |
| 08:24.58 | liable | the juicy details! |
| 08:26.16 | simonrvn | aptitude install offlineimap and you know, a regular cp -a |
| 08:26.21 | simonrvn | wow, so hard |
| 08:26.22 | kraut | moin |
| 08:26.44 | liable | uh oh, sarcasm alert! |
| 08:26.50 | liable | ;) |
| 08:27.08 | liable | geez im feeling silly today.. |
| 08:27.36 | Maithai | morning kraut, wie geht's ? |
| 08:27.42 | simonrvn | i don't mind silliness ;) |
| 08:27.46 | groton | simonrvn, but in that case, if i delete a mail from the mail box (for example via webmail), then also the mail i downloaded with offlineimap will be deleted by offlineimap when it does synchronization. This is what i want to avoid. |
| 08:28.44 | simonrvn | that's why the copy ... |
| 08:28.45 | liable | so just make a folder to store shit in.. |
| 08:28.45 | kraut | Maithai: angry as hell, better leave me alone for a moment ;) |
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| 08:28.45 | Maithai | k :D |
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| 08:29.38 | groton | simonrvn, ok. What user interface is usable to read email in the copy? |
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| 08:30.03 | liable | anything that can read text |
| 08:30.04 | groton | simonrvn, i think i will have just thousands of file in there, and i need a way to browse, search easily |
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| 08:30.25 | groton | liable, yes, 'od' is fine, for you! :P |
| 08:30.26 | xeon-enouf | liable: it's just your gutter/fascia debacle bothering you :-P ever seen something like this? http://www.lawnmplus.com/i//gutter_pro_installed.jpg or just use half-round ones - easier to clean |
| 08:30.32 | simonrvn | you'll have to figure that out |
| 08:31.17 | groton | simonrvn, no, you have too, you are my preferred source of information,a nd for free too :P |
| 08:31.22 | simonrvn | what i'd do is dump the offlineimap stuff to Maildir format, then copy *that* (i don't know if it can do that... i know mutt can...) |
| 08:31.22 | liable | xeon-enouf: there is two huge motherfucking gum trees like 2 metres from my house. they drop a metric shitload of leaves every summer! |
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| 08:31.47 | simonrvn | groton: um, no. don't do that. that's a good way to get you ignored by me. |
| 08:31.49 | groton | simonrvn, great, thanks a lot |
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| 08:32.02 | groton | simonrvn, you are awesome |
| 08:32.13 | xeon-enouf | liable: mmm gum ;-) |
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| 08:33.22 | liable | beer is the prefered intake today! |
| 08:33.59 | Maithai | can i perform a search for a textstring inside of files ? (if yes, how?) |
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| 08:34.15 | liable | grepitty grep! |
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| 08:34.23 | simonrvn | Maithai: it's called grep |
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| 08:34.45 | Maithai | okay, is grep capable of searching multiple files at the same time or like batchmode ? |
| 08:34.58 | liable | with some bash magic, sure |
| 08:35.08 | simonrvn | grep foo * |
| 08:35.22 | Maithai | nice :) thanks |
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| 08:35.25 | simonrvn | man grep for options |
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| 08:35.54 | beli | Maithai: you can also search recursive....use grep -r option..... |
| 08:36.03 | beli | Maithai: or read the manual ;) man grep |
| 08:36.20 | Maithai | i will, thanks |
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| 08:37.11 | fredl | cool, kernel finished compiling. Now I'll know every rebuild takes 'less than a dog walk' |
| 08:37.33 | Maithai | 55 minutes? |
| 08:37.45 | liable | big dog.. |
| 08:37.51 | Maithai | hehe |
| 08:37.52 | fredl | nah it's been sitting here being done for a while already I'm sure. |
| 08:38.01 | fredl | and yeah it's a Lab |
| 08:38.24 | beli | fredl: depends on hardware *g* or you cross-compile ;) |
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| 08:38.32 | liable | nice dog, my neighbor breads em.. |
| 08:38.43 | liable | breeds even |
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| 08:39.04 | SolarisBoy | i luv grep -P (if available) |
| 08:39.04 | fredl | yeah I like them a lot too, had one for decades (well different ones) |
| 08:39.22 | Maithai | SolarisBoy: yeah.. if i were good with regexp and all that stuff.. |
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| 08:39.46 | Maithai | just starting to take deeper looks into linux |
| 08:39.49 | simonrvn | i have grep -E aliased to grep |
| 08:40.11 | SolarisBoy | cool ...regex isn't only linux in particular |
| 08:40.24 | beli | SolarisBoy: oh yeah...egrep....regular expressions own :) thats why i love sed so much |
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| 08:40.42 | fredl | okay, going to try out my new kernel, laterz |
| 08:40.43 | SolarisBoy | i looooove sed |
| 08:40.58 | Maithai | dont even start ^^ |
| 08:40.59 | beli | SolarisBoy: also a member of the seder's grabbag mailinglist? ;) |
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| 08:41.05 | SolarisBoy | <--reinstalling cxoffice =( |
| 08:41.07 | SolarisBoy | beli: nope |
| 08:41.12 | liable | !be a regex barbie |
| 08:41.12 | dpkg | Aww, regex is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 08:41.19 | SolarisBoy | hehe |
| 08:41.19 | zorg | Do you know if it exist web gui like openfiler (or freenas) for debian |
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| 08:41.31 | liable | zorg: what does it do? |
| 08:41.38 | SolarisBoy | share files |
| 08:41.41 | SolarisBoy | like a netapp |
| 08:41.45 | zorg | exactly |
| 08:42.02 | liable | like sshfs? |
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| 08:42.11 | SolarisBoy | nope |
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| 08:42.17 | zorg | ok thanks |
| 08:42.18 | SolarisBoy | nfs cifs sharing |
| 08:42.28 | zorg | You right |
| 08:42.44 | beli | zorg: is it open source? so compile it for debian...or you may search freshmeat and/or sourceforge for alternative |
| 08:42.46 | liable | doesnt nautilus do that? |
| 08:42.46 | SolarisBoy | zorg: i didn't mean nope to the initial question =) |
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| 08:43.01 | SolarisBoy | liable: i dont think on the level he is talking |
| 08:43.25 | SolarisBoy | liable: http://www.netapp.com/us/ |
| 08:43.26 | zorg | SolarisBoy: sorry |
| 08:43.32 | beli | zorg: its a network file system? maybe look into CODA |
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| 08:44.09 | liable | bleh |
| 08:44.18 | SolarisBoy | you could build one from debian if you were willing i believe as well,, samba/nfs ...some nics |
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| 08:44.35 | beli | SolarisBoy: ever tried coda instead of nfs? |
| 08:44.48 | SolarisBoy | nope whats the benefit? |
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| 08:45.03 | xeon-enouf | wasn't dbus the linux DE-world answer to coda? |
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| 08:46.45 | beli | SolarisBoy: its fast and secure..... |
| 08:46.58 | beli | SolarisBoy: the only problem with it was a missing w32 client, but there are some now |
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| 08:47.09 | SolarisBoy | interesting |
| 08:47.10 | zorg | let mee explain I lust nedd a gui that can configure samba nfs (webdav) that will be use like a fronted here is a screenshot http://www.openfiler.com/products/screenshots/sharersync.png |
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| 08:47.48 | Krauser | hi i need help regarding SSH Server (sshd). . . . . I want key based authentication on root account and i want to deny every user ssh access but 2 users. Please advise what changes are to be made in sshd_config |
| 08:47.51 | SolarisBoy | whats the name of that web configuration package for servers? |
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| 08:48.10 | zorg | it could be webmin but it a bit hard for end user and I just wondering if it exist something simpler |
| 08:48.19 | SolarisBoy | you can define users in sshd_config and enable root login there as well |
| 08:48.45 | Krauser | SolarisBoy, can u please explain or give a website link where it is explained |
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| 08:48.55 | liable | Krauser: man sshd. there is denyusers and key based auth options.. |
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| 08:49.02 | SolarisBoy | http://www.laubenheimer.net/ssh-keys.shtml |
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| 08:49.20 | liable | actually, man sshd_config iirc |
| 08:49.22 | fredl | well that wasn't a great success so far :P |
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| 08:49.39 | freeblobs | I just installed Debian lenny. It works ok I think. can anyone tell me how do I mount and access a CDROM? Itry but I get "can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab " any ideas??? |
| 08:49.44 | Krauser | soalris boy i have no problem in keys i mean i use key based autehntication |
| 08:49.52 | fredl | fglrx doesn't compile on 2.6.30 |
| 08:49.53 | Aalinux | How can i set firefox as default browser from kde? |
| 08:49.53 | Krauser | but i want to deny all users bu t2 |
| 08:50.08 | SolarisBoy | i see |
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| 08:50.15 | beli | Krauser: you can do that in the config, just add users to be allowed to login |
| 08:50.17 | liable | fredl: do you really need it? the ati drivers are pretty good now. |
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| 08:50.30 | beli | Krauser: but i wouldn use root login in any way.... |
| 08:50.30 | Krauser | beli, what command should i look for in config file |
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| 08:50.50 | Krauser | beli, i have a webpanel which requires ssh acces to the server |
| 08:50.59 | Krauser | so ssh cant be shut off for root |
| 08:50.59 | fredl | liable - I tried the radeon drivers when installing Lenny. Doesn't recognize my monitor timings. |
| 08:51.00 | beli | Krauser: theres allowusers/allowgroup |
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| 08:51.11 | beli | Krauser: so you may add a group for users that are allowed to login |
| 08:51.39 | ^rain^ | I have determined more details of the problem concerning the usb760 |
| 08:51.40 | Krauser | beli, thats a problem i cant make groups coz it may lead to faulty of working of what task that machine is supposed ot do |
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| 08:51.53 | ^rain^ | not only does it have a mass stirage device, but also a MMC storage device |
| 08:51.59 | beli | Krauser: additional group....not initial group |
| 08:52.09 | beli | Krauser: but then add the usersnames....like AllowUsers foo, bar |
| 08:52.10 | liable | like a sd card slot? |
| 08:52.15 | ^rain^ | yeah |
| 08:52.16 | SolarisBoy | [0354][rainofkayos@rain] ~ $ cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | egrep -i ^Allow |
| 08:52.16 | SolarisBoy | AllowUsers rainofkayos |
| 08:52.16 | g00se | freeblobs: What are you trying? |
| 08:52.17 | Krauser | beli, how do u propose to do that ? |
| 08:52.27 | fredl | liable - I could ofcourse just add a simple modeline but contrary to some here present I've always had pretty decent experiences with the ATI proprietary drivers. |
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| 08:52.56 | Krauser | solarisboy lemme just check that function be right back beli u explaint ogive a user a secondary give |
| 08:52.58 | Tapout | I'm using .. where ... pid = currval('checkout.pids_pid_seq'); <-- with this join, the currval() doesn't optimize out and ends up taking forever. Is there a way to select currval into a temporary variable and use that variable throughout the sql without plpgsql? |
| 08:53.04 | ^rain^ | so i thought maybe adding a line to unmount it would work, but it doesnt |
| 08:53.06 | beli | Krauser: you create a new system group named logallow f.e. and then add the users that are allowed to that group........then add AllowGroup logallow to the sshd config |
| 08:53.07 | SolarisBoy | yes |
| 08:53.12 | liable | fredl: me too generally, except the exact problem you have now. |
| 08:53.12 | SolarisBoy | comma delimited |
| 08:53.16 | SolarisBoy | i mean space |
| 08:53.25 | SolarisBoy | brb |
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| 08:53.27 | fredl | liable - http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/ATI-Catalyst-fglrx-and-Kernels-2.6.30-2.6.29.html |
| 08:53.45 | Krauser | ok beli i will try that |
| 08:53.50 | liable | fredl: i dont care :P mine works atm |
| 08:54.11 | fredl | liable - the fglrx packages in Lenny are just not up to date. |
| 08:54.16 | liable | though i do need to fix it. its not working great.. |
| 08:54.29 | beli | Krauser: SolarisBoy is right....separate by space, not comma.... AllowUsers foo bar |
| 08:54.35 | beli | Krauser: but read the manual....man sshd_config |
| 08:54.40 | liable | fredl: so use the latest ati ones |
| 08:54.41 | Krauser | ok |
| 08:54.49 | Krauser | thnk u beli appreciate it |
| 08:54.51 | Krauser | god bless u |
| 08:54.54 | beli | Krauser: yw |
| 08:54.54 | ^rain^ | how can i make my system not load the mmc part of the usb760? |
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| 08:55.37 | fredl | liable - getting there getting there dude :P there's also still some issues with my NIC driver. I should check if the Realtek r8168 is also in the 2.6.30 kernel coz Debian left it out of the stock kernel. |
| 08:55.48 | liable | ^rain^: firstly, can you remove the ^ from your nick, and secondly, blacklisting the module is a quick dirty hack that should work. |
| 08:55.52 | xeon-enouf | blacklist the module rain |
| 08:56.17 | xeon-enouf | agrees with liable 's point a) |
| 08:56.23 | SolarisBoy | me 3 |
| 08:56.28 | liable | and b obviously! |
| 08:56.32 | ^rain^ | liable: I can't remove the ^ from my nick because someone owns my name. how do i black list the module? |
| 08:56.37 | fredl | and I don't know if the driver on Realtek's site *is* actually the r8168 driver included in 2.6.30 |
| 08:56.52 | xeon-enouf | ojh yeah - didn't get that far reading ;-P |
| 08:56.57 | liable | so register a new nick |
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| 08:57.06 | liable | !blacklist |
| 08:57.07 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
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| 08:57.40 | fredl | 'r8168 isn't upstream', swell. |
| 08:57.46 | ^rain^ | what is the module name? |
| 08:57.54 | SolarisBoy | whats in lsmod? |
| 08:57.57 | liable | see what dmesg says |
| 08:58.05 | ^rain^ | i just did |
| 08:58.07 | liable | fredl: is that wireless or ethernet? |
| 08:58.12 | fredl | ethernet. |
| 08:58.29 | liable | sucks to be you |
| 08:58.40 | ^rain^ | nice |
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| 08:59.13 | liable | the trailing ^ is ok, the leading one is the problem.. |
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| 08:59.30 | ^rain^ | why is that? |
| 08:59.40 | SparFux | Hi all. How can I attempt to mount a device, but get no error when it is already mounted? |
| 08:59.50 | liable | because i have to do more keypresses to nicktab you in my client |
| 08:59.51 | ^rain^ | I think they look like horns |
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| 09:00.13 | xeon-enouf | tab-completion rain |
| 09:00.13 | liable | and i'm lazy enough not to talk to someone that makes me do that :P |
| 09:00.18 | rain^ | now I have only one horn |
| 09:00.22 | xeon-enouf | i'd rather type out rainman all day |
| 09:00.32 | xeon-enouf | \o/ |
| 09:00.41 | liable | danke |
| 09:00.45 | xeon-enouf | rain^: there - feel better now? :-) |
| 09:00.46 | rain^ | ive got some |
| 09:01.02 | liable | horn? |
| 09:01.08 | liable | o_0 |
| 09:01.09 | rain^ | danke |
| 09:01.24 | rain^ | anyway, how can i get this thing to work? |
| 09:01.36 | rain^ | my rules look right to me |
| 09:01.40 | liable | blacklist the module |
| 09:01.45 | rain^ | how? |
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| 09:01.52 | rain^ | rather, what module? |
| 09:01.56 | liable | see above the thing dpkg said |
| 09:02.06 | xeon-enouf | rain^: so dmesg shows the device as a /dev/mmcblkX or somesuch? |
| 09:02.08 | liable | paste your dmesg and lsmod somewhere |
| 09:02.24 | rain^ | how do i do the dmesg? |
| 09:02.35 | liable | uh |
| 09:02.37 | rain^ | its /deb/sdb |
| 09:02.41 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 09:02.45 | xeon-enouf | modprobe -l | grep mmc |
| 09:03.04 | rain^ | what does that do? |
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| 09:03.14 | xeon-enouf | so why are you saying it's an issue (mmv) |
| 09:03.17 | xeon-enouf | mmc |
| 09:03.34 | liable | you're making this hard for us.. |
| 09:03.35 | rain^ | because its not switching to modem mode |
| 09:03.38 | SparFux | Or better: how can I check wether some fs is already mounted? |
| 09:03.51 | liable | SparFux: 'mount' |
| 09:03.54 | xeon-enouf | it makes roman candles spontaneously start firing from your computer |
| 09:04.10 | xeon-enouf | df |
| 09:04.29 | xeon-enouf | cat /proc/mounts (better) |
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| 09:04.45 | liable | same thing innit? |
| 09:04.55 | liable | or /etc/mtab.. |
| 09:05.02 | xeon-enouf | eww |
| 09:05.05 | liable | whatever, all reads the same file |
| 09:05.43 | g00se | SparFux: if [ -d "${MOUNTPOINT}" ] |
| 09:05.45 | SparFux | hm... in a script. I have to grep for that. |
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| 09:06.12 | g00se | SparFux: Doh!. No!! Some file in the mountpoint |
| 09:06.16 | SparFux | gOOse: the mountpoint exists of course. |
| 09:06.27 | SparFux | gOOse: ah, that's a good idea. |
| 09:06.39 | liable | i need to cut firewood.. |
| 09:06.48 | xeon-enouf | gum trees? |
| 09:06.51 | SparFux | g00se: this even checks for the right filesystem to be mounted! |
| 09:06.54 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 09:07.04 | SparFux | g00se: thx |
| 09:07.05 | liable | neighbours old fence posts |
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| 09:07.14 | liable | redwood |
| 09:08.00 | SparFux | g00se: So this will mount my backup stuff, if not mounted, and otherwise be silent: [ -d /media/resbckp/storeBackup ] || mount /media/resbckp |
| 09:08.38 | rain^ | how do i use dmesg |
| 09:08.39 | rain^ | ? |
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| 09:08.47 | liable | rain^: type 'dmesg' |
| 09:08.53 | rain^ | oh |
| 09:08.55 | g00se | SparFux: -f |
| 09:08.57 | wertik_rus | ) |
| 09:09.00 | liable | you said you have been looking at it earlier... |
| 09:09.16 | rain^ | i was talking about the dpkg |
| 09:09.24 | SparFux | g00se: storeBackup is my backup dir, not file :-) |
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| 09:10.14 | fredl | hmm, does /etc/modules.d/blacklist.local have the possibility to differentiate between kernel levels? It would seem as I may be able to use the r8169 driver under 2.6.30 (haven't tried it yet) but I most definitely should not be using it under the stable 2.6.26 |
| 09:10.24 | g00se | SparFux: Oh, i see what you're doing now. Yes, that should be fine |
| 09:10.53 | fredl | is wondering why I should bother with making an initrd image anyway. |
| 09:10.54 | liable | fredl: nope, you could delete it from /lib/modules though as a dirty hack |
| 09:11.14 | fredl | Hmm.. |
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| 09:11.46 | fredl | well I'm first going to give it a try, apparently some fixes have been made to the r8169 driver between 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 |
| 09:11.50 | fredl | laterz |
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| 09:12.17 | xeon-enouf | s/levels/versions/ ? |
| 09:12.35 | xeon-enouf | modprobe only works on uname -r kernel |
| 09:12.41 | SparFux | g00se: This idea is really great, because this way it is even clear this is my backup partition which is mounted. So it's "double check". |
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| 09:13.58 | g00se | fredl: You could always use an even dirtier hack such as uname -r | grep '2\.6\.26' && modprobe -r r8169 |
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| 09:14.25 | g00se | !win SparFux |
| 09:14.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, SparFux! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 09:14.58 | liable | dpkg: mix it up! |
| 09:14.58 | dpkg | liable: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:15.20 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:15.20 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 09:16.33 | liable | wanders off to play with power tools |
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| 09:19.16 | rdz | hi all. rkhunter reports, that remote syslogin is enabled. how can i tell it to not report that? |
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| 09:20.40 | the-dude | grep syslog /etc/rkhunter? |
| 09:21.49 | rdz | the-dude, too simple.. thanks for the hint. and sorry for the noise |
| 09:22.21 | the-dude | rdz: no worries :) rkhunter is fun |
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| 09:25.36 | Arafangion | Oh you've got to be joking! |
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| 09:25.48 | Arafangion | Testing doesn't support USB keyboards for the installer? |
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| 09:27.27 | fredl | maybe a BIOS legacy USB keyboard setting. |
| 09:27.42 | fredl | had the same thing. |
| 09:27.50 | Arafangion | Yeah... Good luck getting to it. |
| 09:27.59 | fredl | BIOS |
| 09:28.10 | fredl | you can get into your BIOS with your USB keyboard right? |
| 09:28.35 | fredl | BIOS != Linux |
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| 09:32.33 | rain^ | I blacklisted every mmc module that modprobe listed and it still shows up with Novatel MMC Storage |
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| 09:33.00 | fredl | rain^ - did you also make a new initrd image? |
| 09:33.13 | rain^ | no |
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| 09:33.22 | rain^ | how do i do that? |
| 09:33.26 | fredl | maybe your driver is installed in the initrd. |
| 09:33.37 | fredl | so it gets loaded before. |
| 09:33.53 | fredl | dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 09:34.16 | rain^ | what does that do? |
| 09:34.38 | fredl | it makes a new initrd image, keeping the blacklisting in mind |
| 09:35.06 | rain^ | ok, i will try that and brb |
| 09:35.18 | fredl | so the driver you want to disable will actually be disabled in the initrd image as well. |
| 09:35.29 | Arafangion | fredl: That was indeed the issue, I'd forgotten about that. |
| 09:35.53 | Arafangion | Why does my installer hang at: (process:1192): INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8) |
| 09:36.02 | Arafangion | (This is testing, from 2009-09-14) |
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| 09:36.22 | fredl | Arafangion, are you trying to install from the alternative CD? |
| 09:36.41 | valdyn | Arafangion: why are you using an installer that is known to be often broken? |
| 09:37.13 | fredl | heh is that what he's doing? :) I'm psychic :) |
| 09:37.19 | liable | Arafangion: dailies break. try an older one. |
| 09:37.35 | valdyn | Arafangion: or simply use the stable installer |
| 09:37.56 | fredl | I actually had that same issue with the Lenny alternative installer which should be considered 'stable' |
| 09:38.20 | liable | stable can install testing in expert or high priority mode.. |
| 09:38.29 | Arafangion | I'll try a different installer, then. I was advised to use lenny's installer because of the kernel. |
| 09:38.33 | liable | erm, low priority actually iirc |
| 09:38.52 | liable | Arafangion: oh, its lenny installer? |
| 09:39.01 | Arafangion | Yes |
| 09:39.12 | valdyn | 11:36 < Arafangion> (This is testing, from 2009-09-14) |
| 09:39.16 | valdyn | now what is it really? |
| 09:39.19 | fredl | well at least the r8169 driver seems to be behaving in 2.6.30 so I can skip the step of downloading Realtek's own r8168 driver. |
| 09:39.21 | liable | heh |
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| 09:39.49 | Arafangion | valdyn: From what I can tell, lenny CD's are updated weekly - so it'd be whatever week that date falls on, I believe. |
| 09:39.54 | fredl | still gotta fix the fglrx driver though :/ |
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| 09:40.44 | liable | stable installers aren't built weekly. not afaik |
| 09:41.05 | Arafangion | Oops, I somehow thought of testing as being lenny. |
| 09:41.11 | Arafangion | It's _testing_. |
| 09:41.17 | liable | right |
| 09:41.21 | Arafangion | It's definetly not lenny. :) |
| 09:41.26 | liable | squeeze |
| 09:41.33 | liable | so try a newer or older one |
| 09:41.34 | Arafangion | squeeze it is, then. |
| 09:41.36 | fredl | I still insist it should be called 'tested' instead of 'testing' |
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| 09:41.51 | liable | not for the installer |
| 09:42.07 | liable | dailies are testing |
| 09:42.08 | Arafangion | Or maybe I should try the graphical installer? |
| 09:42.16 | fredl | Sid is for testing, testing should be testED IMO :-) |
| 09:42.17 | liable | you can try that |
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| 09:42.42 | Arafangion | fredl: Sid just breaks... Testing is /testing/, once tested, it becomes stable. :) |
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| 09:43.06 | liable | fredl: try building an installer on sids moving package base. it would be very fucking difficult. |
| 09:43.35 | fredl | liable - fair enough. |
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| 09:44.03 | fredl | anyway... so I'm looking at fglrx-source, there's a fglrx.tar.bz2 in there |
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| 09:44.33 | fredl | how do I check if there's a backport for the most recent fglrx driver? |
| 09:44.44 | liable | just use ati's latest |
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| 09:44.54 | liable | the debian guy does its scripts |
| 09:45.05 | liable | build scripts |
| 09:45.10 | fredl | oh really? cool. |
| 09:45.15 | Arafangion | The graphical installer is damn impressive, even for an old-school linux user like me. :) |
| 09:45.23 | valdyn | fredl: atis installer can create debs. |
| 09:45.39 | liable | i'm pretty sure. fredl go check phoronex.com its usually up with that stuff |
| 09:45.41 | Repox | Hi. I'm a novice with linux and debian. I'm trying to install a debian webserver with exim4 to dispatch mails. It's installed in a local network but has access to the internet. Mails that I'm trying to send are just not getting out. And I don't understand what the log file is telling me, so I would appreciate all the help I can get. I have a log entry here: http://pastebin.com/m28383ed0 |
| 09:46.05 | fredl | phoronex.com is down :P |
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| 09:46.25 | fredl | oh.. nix? |
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| 09:46.34 | liable | sorry, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home |
| 09:46.42 | valdyn | Repox: example.net and example.com dont want your mail |
| 09:46.49 | liable | been a while since i looked there |
| 09:47.05 | valdyn | Repox: actually, example.com does take your mail, just example,net does not |
| 09:47.10 | Guerin | wt5f |
| 09:47.11 | fredl | so what am I looking for then? |
| 09:47.26 | valdyn | Repox: and err0r.dk seems to be broken |
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| 09:48.08 | Repox | valdyn: well, I recieve mails on err0r.dk on a daily basis. |
| 09:48.14 | fredl | liable - should I not just grab the latest drivers from amd.com then? |
| 09:48.26 | liable | fredl: i would |
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| 09:48.33 | valdyn | Repox: that does not mean that its not broken |
| 09:48.39 | fredl | ok.. |
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| 09:49.10 | liable | fredl: but i still think you should track down why radeon/ati driver doesn't work.. |
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| 09:49.26 | liable | try #radeon |
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| 09:49.31 | valdyn | Repox: this is a TLS connection |
| 09:49.33 | Repox | valdyn: I not sure I understand. I guess that gmail.com wouldn't be 'broken' but I don't recieve any mails there either. I tried several accounts and no mail is getting through. |
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| 09:50.00 | valdyn | Repox: this log does not list any mail you are recieving at all |
| 09:50.02 | fredl | liable - Hrmmm.. I could probably just grab a working modeline from the log and paste that in xorg.conf and see if that works with the radeon driver.... |
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| 09:50.06 | Guerin | rain^: it's because you're broken |
| 09:50.18 | Guerin | oh, rain^, sorry |
| 09:50.24 | liable | fredl: the devs actually frequent that channel, and I've had good advice there in the past |
| 09:50.26 | Guerin | Repox: it's because you're broken |
| 09:50.31 | rain^ | huh? |
| 09:50.40 | Guerin | rain^: ENICKFAIL |
| 09:50.47 | Repox | valdyn: ohh, well, I'm not expecting any emails - I wan't it to send out emails, but no mails are getting out... |
| 09:50.53 | rain^ | I typed: dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 09:50.53 | rain^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.09 | liable | fredl: might be #radeonhd, i forget |
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| 09:51.28 | valdyn | Repox: so give us a log where gmail fails |
| 09:51.36 | valdyn | Repox: where sending mail to google fails |
| 09:51.45 | Repox | valdyn: just a sec, then... |
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| 09:51.51 | fredl | well ok, I'll give it a short try. Got so many fucking things to do that I won't stop at it for very long.... |
| 09:52.03 | fredl | but you're right, it's worth the try. |
| 09:52.21 | smhar | greetings |
| 09:52.38 | valdyn | Repox: root@example.com seems to work just fine |
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| 09:53.36 | smhar | I have a problem with wifi |
| 09:53.53 | fredl | Hmm now I forget which resolution my monitor is doing right now... *ponder* |
| 09:54.00 | rain^ | fredl: dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 09:54.01 | rain^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.03 | smhar | I can not connect. it is always on the 'roaming mode'. how to disable that? |
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| 09:54.29 | fredl | rain^ - huh? you have no kernel installed? |
| 09:54.31 | Repox | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d7349aba |
| 09:54.44 | liable | smhar: what tells you its in roaming mode? |
| 09:54.44 | rain^ | well, it has to be installed if im using it, right? |
| 09:54.51 | fredl | indeed. |
| 09:54.56 | rain^ | so it is |
| 09:55.04 | rain^ | yet it isnt |
| 09:55.07 | rain^ | its a paradox i guess |
| 09:55.11 | smhar | liable: it is the network manager applet |
| 09:55.16 | Repox | valdyn: wait, i mispelled something... |
| 09:55.17 | valdyn | Repox: l33tnasty@gmail.com does not exist, so gmail refuses to take your mail |
| 09:55.19 | rain^ | do i need the source? |
| 09:55.24 | fredl | rain^ sorry I gave you the wrong command. |
| 09:55.32 | ^shark_ | my web designer needs modules xml, zlib and mysql, i have python-mysqldb and php5-mysql, i only know zlib can be found in gzip package. I do not know which package has modules xml |
| 09:55.37 | fredl | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) should work better |
| 09:55.42 | liable | smhar: so its looking for ap's, tell it to associate with one.. |
| 09:56.03 | fredl | rain^ - sorry about that :) |
| 09:56.09 | rain^ | ty, brb |
| 09:56.17 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.32 | liable | why is he doing that? |
| 09:57.03 | valdyn | ^shark_: python-libxml2 |
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| 09:57.13 | ^shark_ | ok thanks |
| 09:57.38 | mortsmel | when an interfaces becomes dead to the world is it an option to run a script w/ debian |
| 09:57.42 | valdyn | ^shark_: zlib bindings probably have no extra package, but im certain they are in there somewhere |
| 09:57.50 | liable | mortsmel: what do you mean? |
| 09:57.58 | valdyn | ^shark_: knowing the module file name would make searching easier |
| 09:57.59 | mortsmel | simply pulling a plug |
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| 09:58.06 | smhar | liable: how? and why? |
| 09:58.23 | mortsmel | i'm trying to disable some ucarp interfaces |
| 09:58.46 | mortsmel | there is a carp interface for eth1 and eth0 |
| 09:59.07 | mortsmel | when one goes down i want both of them to go bye bye |
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| 09:59.12 | mortsmel | so my failover box picks up both |
| 09:59.15 | liable | smhar: i dont find NM's interface terribly userfriendly. you need to tell it what network you want to assiate with. play around with it. left and right click on the applet |
| 09:59.33 | fredl | liable, have you ever experimented with passing audio from an Intel HD audio card to the HDMI port of a graphics board? |
| 09:59.52 | liable | fredl: thankfully, no :) |
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| 10:00.34 | fredl | liable, I just thought of that. Currently I have my desktopserver hooked up to my monitor but it will eventually need to be hooked up to the HDMI port of my 42" TV. |
| 10:00.53 | liable | sound and graphics in linux is often non-trivial when it doesnt "just work" |
| 10:01.10 | fredl | so spending too much time on the radeon driver for now and finding the right Modeline for my monitor is a bit of a waste of time for now. |
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| 10:01.20 | mesa_booger | oh no |
| 10:01.41 | mesa_booger | time spent on the radeon driver is time well spent |
| 10:01.45 | fredl | well we have medibuntu for that right? :P~ |
| 10:01.48 | smhar | liable: I am familiar with NM. I 've been using it for some time, when I am in a location with wifi connections, it just displays the networks and I choose from them. This is still working. The problem is, that nothing else happens. The option that this is a 'Roaming mode' is always there. I was not the case before |
| 10:02.09 | fredl | runs |
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| 10:02.22 | mesa_booger | smhar: you could always try "wicd" |
| 10:02.40 | liable | smhar: i haven't ever seen it do that, so i dunno how to make it stop. what does iwconfig say the mode the card is in? |
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| 10:02.59 | liable | smhar: and what card is it, and what driver are you using? not madwifi is it? |
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| 10:03.49 | smhar | liable: it is an atheros whic is working in ubuntu live -now- |
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| 10:04.40 | liable | smhar: right, so it works with the live cd (which iirc uses madwifi) and not in debian? |
| 10:05.00 | liable | smhar: what model card is it, and debian version? |
| 10:05.18 | liable | 2425 doesnt work with the stable kernels ath5k |
| 10:05.20 | smhar | liable: I am using madwifi, this is a lenny system |
| 10:06.04 | liable | smhar: check lsmod and make sure ath5k isnt loaded. madwifi-tools should have blacklisted it though |
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| 10:07.13 | smhar | liable: it was working with debian before, but a recent update seems to break it. I tried reinstalling again but still |
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| 10:07.39 | liable | smhar: did you upgrade kernel via backports or something? |
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| 10:08.06 | liable | or lenny+1 or whatever the hell they do these days.. |
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| 10:08.57 | smhar | liable: no |
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| 10:09.21 | liable | smhar: so you have a 26 kernel? |
| 10:09.47 | smhar | liable: yes, the latest stock |
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| 10:10.14 | rain^ | fredl: it didnt fix the problem |
| 10:10.54 | liable | smhar: hmm, a security upgrade shouldn't but might have made a new modules dir. you may need to recompile madwifi. check if ath-pci is loaded in that kernel, and not ath5k |
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| 10:12.15 | liable | smhar: and double check kernel version please |
| 10:12.41 | rain^ | fredl: it didnt fix the problem |
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| 10:15.20 | yareckon | yo, anyone know a way to open an ssh shell in a remote directory, rather than in the default login directory |
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| 10:15.32 | yareckon | man ssh -- el no helpo |
| 10:17.04 | rain^ | fredl: u there? |
| 10:17.54 | yareckon | yeah, do cd after I login :) |
| 10:17.55 | smhar | liable: this is the lsmod http://pastebin.ca/1579011 |
| 10:17.57 | yareckon | I know that one |
| 10:19.28 | smhar | liable: and this is the output of /etc/init.d/networking restart http://pastebin.ca/1579014 |
| 10:20.27 | smhar | liable: and this is the interfaces file: http://pastebin.ca/1579016 |
| 10:21.10 | smhar | and this is the ifconfig output: http://pastebin.ca/1579018 |
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| 10:22.26 | smhar | and this is a list of pcimodules http://pastebin.ca/1579019 |
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| 10:22.32 | superlinux | hi |
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| 10:23.38 | Dumb0 | superlinux, holla brother |
| 10:23.44 | superlinux | I am here to ask you guys which is the best Debian book recommended to teach it to a big class? |
| 10:23.49 | Aalinux | Hello, Is it possible to mount ext4 filesystem from debian? like fedora or ubuntu |
| 10:23.59 | superlinux | Dumb0, hi bro |
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| 10:24.13 | yareckon | Aalinux, yes if your kernel is new enough |
| 10:24.24 | Dumb0 | superlinux, debian system no starch press |
| 10:24.32 | liable | smhar: if you are using NM, you need to comment out all the interfaces file lines for that interface |
| 10:24.41 | Aalinux | yareckon: Which version needed? |
| 10:24.48 | superlinux | ok let me check based on Amazon |
| 10:25.12 | smhar | liable: so I should comment out the wlan0 lines? |
| 10:25.25 | superlinux | Dumb0, this one? The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques (Paperback) |
| 10:25.32 | liable | smhar: yep, and restart networking and NM, or reboot |
| 10:25.44 | Dumb0 | superlinux, yes exactly |
| 10:25.52 | smhar | I will try that... thanks liable |
| 10:25.55 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:25.55 | liable | smhar: iwconfig output too |
| 10:26.00 | liable | meh |
| 10:26.09 | fredl | rain^ - yeah I'm here now. |
| 10:26.32 | Dumb0 | superlinux, it's dedicated entirely for debian |
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| 10:26.52 | Ruski | siema wszystkim |
| 10:26.55 | Ruski | jak leci? |
| 10:27.11 | superlinux | Dumb0, cool |
| 10:27.14 | yareckon | Aalinux, I know that lenny (stable) has a kernel that is a bit too old for totally seamless ext4... here is a page that talks about it |
| 10:27.15 | yareckon | http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto |
| 10:27.20 | mortsmel | Anyone know if it is possible to run a command when an ethernet interface is unplugged? |
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| 10:27.38 | superlinux | Dumb0, the Amazon is giving it 12x 5starts |
| 10:27.41 | yareckon | mortsmel, not remotely :) |
| 10:27.44 | superlinux | this is the ppl review |
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| 10:27.48 | superlinux | must be good |
| 10:27.57 | petemc | mortsmel: possible with ifplugd |
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| 10:28.09 | petemc | possibly, eveb |
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| 10:28.39 | orattue | how do i upgrade one specific program using apt-get? |
| 10:28.44 | yareckon | Aalinux, if you are running testing or unstable, you will be fine though as those are much newer |
| 10:28.52 | Dumb0 | superlinux, but not all people are so technical to make a judge for a book :P |
| 10:29.08 | superlinux | Dumb0, true |
| 10:29.16 | superlinux | that's enough to me |
| 10:29.23 | liable | orattue: apt-get install foo |
| 10:29.25 | mortsmel | ifplug.d already part of lenny? |
| 10:29.26 | fredl | ayt, off I go to reboot with the Radeon driver once more. |
| 10:29.27 | achadwick | mortsmel: desktop? If so, consider dbus and http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/spec.html |
| 10:29.34 | mortsmel | no, server app |
| 10:29.40 | superlinux | thanks Dumb0 , i will leave the chan. |
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| 10:29.51 | Liquidity_C | hello |
| 10:29.58 | achadwick | ifplugd is the way I've always done that sort of thing before for server kit |
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| 10:30.19 | mortsmel | in case an interface mysteriously becomes unplugged i want to disable my carp interfaces |
| 10:30.34 | mortsmel | that way my other gun pics it up |
| 10:30.38 | Liquidity_C | anyone know how to change the row and colsize of a terminal? I am running debian with no xserver but the text is a bit big for my taste. |
| 10:30.38 | mortsmel | well box |
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| 10:30.47 | mortsmel | heh been up all night ... its 6 am |
| 10:31.02 | mortsmel | call wambulane |
| 10:31.23 | mortsmel | freakin out guys! :) |
| 10:31.35 | DBuzz | just giving you guys a heads up just seen this: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Sep/0363.html |
| 10:31.39 | mortsmel | thanks for the help |
| 10:31.44 | mortsmel | i'll be in and out |
| 10:31.52 | Aalinux | yareckon: 2.6.27 or above needed , i have, but can't mount mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 10:32.30 | et | Liquidity_C: sounds like you want the framebuffer |
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| 10:32.48 | Liquidity_C | et, huh? |
| 10:33.15 | fredl | liable - the reasons the radeon driver doesn't work for me may be a bit more mundane than not being able to read monitor timings. |
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| 10:33.51 | fredl | the HD4350 is not supported by the radeon driver in Lenny yet |
| 10:34.04 | liable | bummer |
| 10:34.14 | rain^ | fredl: it still doesnt do right |
| 10:34.27 | liable | xorg is a major pain to compile/upgrade too if you dont have hours of free time |
| 10:34.48 | fredl | rain^ - is I understand right, you have a modem/storage UDB thingie right? |
| 10:35.01 | rain^ | ummm, yeah |
| 10:35.11 | rain^ | its a Novatel USB760 from verison |
| 10:35.17 | fredl | rain^ - and you wanted the storage thingie disabled, right? so which module is being loaded that you don't want being loaded? |
| 10:35.20 | rain^ | it has a mass storage |
| 10:35.26 | rain^ | and it has an mmc |
| 10:35.29 | rain^ | and a modem |
| 10:35.46 | rain^ | the mass storage i have already taken care of |
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| 10:35.55 | rain^ | but the mmc storage is being stuborn |
| 10:36.02 | mesa_booger | by the time 2.6.32 is released, people will forget all their woes, and ati cards will be the toast of the free software world. the progress thus far since amd released the specs has been staggering |
| 10:36.16 | fredl | ok. so is any module being loaded for the mmc? |
| 10:36.46 | Arafangion | Interesting gotcha with the debian installer is that shift+tab doesn't work, and pressing <enter> does not let you type in the next password. |
| 10:36.58 | rain^ | i dont know. I blacklisted all the mmc modules that modprobe showed and then I redid the init like u told me. now im here. |
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| 10:37.24 | liable | Arafangion: explain more. what do you expect shift+tab to do? |
| 10:37.29 | fredl | rain^, so are any of the mmc modules you saw loaded before still loaded now? |
| 10:37.46 | rain^ | i dont know |
| 10:37.57 | rain^ | modprobe -l mmc? |
| 10:38.05 | fredl | well do lsmod|grep <your modulenames> ? |
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| 10:38.15 | valdyn | rain^: whats the point of having those drivers not loaded? |
| 10:38.19 | liable | Arafangion: there is #debian-boot on oftc, but the list is generally better for advice. the channel is more for devs and hard to get advice from.. |
| 10:38.19 | fredl | no modprobe loads a module and you don't want that. |
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| 10:38.35 | rain^ | because i cant get my cellular modem to work |
| 10:38.45 | valdyn | and why would that be related? |
| 10:39.27 | rain^ | because this device has two modes, storage and modem |
| 10:39.27 | fredl | valdyn - he thinks that by not loading the drivers he doesn't need automagically what he does need will work again. |
| 10:39.27 | jelly | it's an mmc-connected modem! |
| 10:39.35 | valdyn | thats probably nonse |
| 10:39.36 | fredl | which seems like a somewhat fair assumption. |
| 10:39.37 | valdyn | thats probably nonsense |
| 10:39.50 | fredl | probably but you can't be sure. |
| 10:40.04 | fredl | if you don't try it you don't know. |
| 10:40.06 | liable | its a fucking oddball to be sure. |
| 10:40.07 | valdyn | now you could unload those modules manually and see if that changes anything without messing with the blacklist |
| 10:40.08 | rain^ | ok, on my ubuntu box i only had to unmount the mass storage and it worked |
| 10:40.19 | jelly | fredl: oh, those devices present themselves as usb in both cases, which they are |
| 10:40.22 | liable | you think? |
| 10:40.30 | liable | !think |
| 10:40.30 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 10:40.31 | valdyn | rain^: unmounting certainls doesnt unload the drivers |
| 10:40.38 | rain^ | i know this |
| 10:40.51 | fredl | rain^ - mentioning Ubuntu in here does not always come to your rescue, on the contrary in fact. |
| 10:40.59 | rain^ | how else can i get my device to switch modes? |
| 10:41.17 | valdyn | rain^: is there an indicator showing you which mode it is in? |
| 10:41.22 | fredl | I also have an Android phone with storage on it. |
| 10:41.45 | rain^ | yeah, it works when its in modem mode and it doesnt work when its not |
| 10:41.48 | fredl | can mount it, and the phone still works :-) |
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| 10:41.56 | valdyn | rain^: how do you know it works? |
| 10:42.03 | Arafangion | liable: Cool. :) Anyway, it's a point I'm already aware of, now. :) |
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| 10:42.11 | rain^ | because i used it in ubuntu |
| 10:42.24 | valdyn | rain^: you dont understand what im after |
| 10:42.35 | valdyn | rain^: how would I notice that the device is working correctly? |
| 10:42.37 | rain^ | no ii dont |
| 10:42.55 | valdyn | rain^: how do you verify that it works? |
| 10:43.23 | rain^ | im using it now |
| 10:43.23 | rain^ | it works |
| 10:43.39 | rain^ | but not in debian |
| 10:43.41 | valdyn | rain^: I did not ask IF it worked, i asked HOW you notice that it works |
| 10:43.47 | liable | rain^: paste your lsmod somewhere |
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| 10:43.58 | liable | while its working |
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| 10:44.05 | liable | and dmesg |
| 10:44.11 | rain^ | how i notice is that it makes it possible for me to get online |
| 10:44.11 | jelly | judd: info usb-modeswitch |
| 10:44.14 | valdyn | rain^: the point is that it may be working all along while you just have no idea *how* to verify that properly |
| 10:44.24 | jelly | judd: yo |
| 10:44.24 | judd | jelly: Error: "yo" is not a valid command. |
| 10:44.34 | jelly | dpkg: info usb-modeswitch |
| 10:44.36 | liable | silly jelly |
| 10:44.43 | jelly | ... |
| 10:44.51 | valdyn | rain^: youre being so vague its killing me |
| 10:44.51 | liable | :P |
| 10:44.56 | Vladom | hi, i installed debian testing on my notebook acer aspire 5738 and the audio / video don't work well...for example when i start playing a video with totem the system freeze... |
| 10:44.59 | liable | agreed |
| 10:45.02 | Vladom | any ideas? |
| 10:45.07 | valdyn | rain^: now i suppose you mean "I notice that it works because i can load webpages" |
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| 10:45.17 | dpkg | usb-modeswitch: (mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices), section comm, is extra. Version: 1.0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 10:45.35 | valdyn | rain^: but you didnt tell me that, so Im still waiting |
| 10:45.37 | liable | didnt know that excisted.. |
| 10:45.40 | Vladom | my /etc/X11/xorg.conf don't exist |
| 10:45.41 | rain^ | http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=54692 <---read that and then we will be on the same page |
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| 10:45.49 | liable | rain^: ^^ that may be of help |
| 10:45.49 | Coweater | you guys are being so pedantic it's killing me |
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| 10:46.18 | liable | Coweater: thats how nerds are :P |
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| 10:46.22 | jelly | Coweater: we go into idiot mode when presented with new and unknown stuff |
| 10:46.35 | valdyn | rain^: so your only actual problem could be that network-manager isnt "detecting" your device |
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| 10:46.44 | jelly | rain^: is it a Huawei device? |
| 10:46.44 | rain^ | could be |
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| 10:46.54 | rain^ | novatel |
| 10:47.00 | liable | lsusb -vv |
| 10:47.08 | jelly | rain^: what does lsusb show it as? |
| 10:47.17 | liable | rain^: you dont make it easy for us to help you.. |
| 10:47.27 | valdyn | rain^: so why didnt you tell me when i asked: "I notice that it works because this little green indicator on my screen goes on" |
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| 10:47.36 | jelly | liable: you two _are_ being clueless, though |
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| 10:47.47 | liable | !beat jelly |
| 10:47.47 | dpkg | beats jelly with a large stick. |
| 10:47.55 | rain^ | because the little green indicator is missing |
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| 10:48.41 | rain^ | where can i paste the lsusb results? |
| 10:48.48 | liable | !paste |
| 10:48.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 10:49.18 | rain^ | goto #flood |
| 10:49.39 | liable | many people don't like #flood |
| 10:49.40 | jelly | better use a pastebin site instead, #flood is too volatile |
| 10:50.02 | liable | just paste. why be difficult? |
| 10:50.19 | liable | no listen.. |
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| 10:50.48 | valdyn | rain^: this guy writes that you only need to eject the storage device that is found as a cdrom |
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| 10:50.56 | liable | ok, manu is novatel, i dunno what module supports that chip.. |
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| 10:51.25 | valdyn | rain^: and after that it would be an issue of configuring the network, not messing with the device |
| 10:51.30 | rain^ | Bus 003 Device 010: ID 1410:6000 Novatel Wireless |
| 10:51.32 | rain^ | Device Descriptor: |
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| 10:51.47 | fredl | liable - the HD4350 is (in the recent versions) supported by both #radeon and #radeonhd (they're different drivers) |
| 10:51.50 | liable | ... |
| 10:51.55 | valdyn | really stupid |
| 10:51.56 | valdyn | off |
| 10:52.32 | fredl | liable - adamk_> radeonhd was written by Novell from scratch, under contract from AMD and only supports HD cards. radeon has been around for years and supports all radeon GPUs. |
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| 10:52.43 | liable | fredl: yeah, so, probably problematic on stable? |
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| 10:53.14 | fredl | liable - *nod* so I'll have to see if there's a backport of the radeon driver I guess. |
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| 10:53.26 | cast | dude, what the fuck. |
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| 10:53.40 | rain^ | yeah, i did that |
| 10:53.42 | rain^ | but in debian the mmc storage is visible |
| 10:53.46 | liable | !ops temp +b an rain^ please |
| 10:53.46 | rain^ | and stopping it from switching modes |
| 10:53.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: temp +b an rain^ please |
| 10:53.48 | rain^ | the article only mentions the mass storage, but they dont mention the mmc storage |
| 10:53.50 | rain^ | stop what? |
| 10:53.53 | cast | only temp? |
| 10:53.54 | rain^ | please what? |
| 10:54.02 | fredl | please stop that pasting! |
| 10:54.10 | fredl | I can't even hear myself think anymore. |
| 10:54.25 | rain^ | im not |
| 10:54.30 | liable | rain^: dont do that again |
| 10:54.32 | fredl | uhm |
| 10:54.38 | rain^ | dont do what? |
| 10:54.40 | fredl | oh well it's over now. |
| 10:54.52 | fredl | you pasted a few pages of settings! |
| 10:54.57 | rain^ | i pasted over 5 mins ago |
| 10:55.12 | fredl | well then something is fubar. anyway... |
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| 10:55.31 | rain^ | ok, so where were we? |
| 10:55.39 | liable | ignoring you.. |
| 10:55.46 | rain^ | before that |
| 10:56.17 | fredl | liable - you have any experience with using backports? |
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| 10:57.59 | liable | fredl: not really, i dont run stable on anything other than my server. |
| 10:58.16 | liable | fredl: but, just get to the real question :P |
| 10:58.18 | fredl | hmm'kay |
| 10:58.32 | cast | i run stable on everything \m/ |
| 10:58.36 | rain^ | so how can i make the system use the device? |
| 10:58.40 | fredl | well obviously I would like to install a backported radeon driver on my stable box |
| 10:58.54 | cast | obvious to you perhaps |
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| 10:59.07 | cast | is it in backports.org? |
| 10:59.09 | fredl | yes obvious to me as the stable one doesn't support my card. |
| 10:59.26 | liable | fredl: i dunno if the backport xorg, it would be a huge job |
| 10:59.30 | rain^ | what is backports? |
| 10:59.38 | fredl | cast - well I don't know for sure what to look for. Am I looking for an isolated driver or for a whole backported X? |
| 10:59.49 | hark | !tell rain^ about backports |
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| 11:00.17 | fredl | liable - so the radeon driver is part of xorg then? |
| 11:00.21 | liable | oh, theres another old nick. hello hark |
| 11:00.35 | liable | fredl: yep, and bits are in the kernel too |
| 11:00.46 | fredl | since there is a xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 11:00.52 | rain^ | !tell me how to fix my modem |
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| 11:00.53 | eagles0513875 | rain^: backports are newer versions of software made to where they work on older releases |
| 11:00.55 | fredl | or so it looks like. |
| 11:01.20 | rain^ | that didnt work |
| 11:01.22 | hark | hey liable :) |
| 11:01.29 | hark | rain^: what's wrong with it? |
| 11:01.38 | rain^ | not sure |
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| 11:01.51 | rain^ | its a novatel usb760 |
| 11:01.55 | rain^ | from verizon |
| 11:02.11 | fredl | liable - on stable the package containing the driver is called xserver-xorg-video-radeon from what I could guess but I can't find that on packports.org |
| 11:02.16 | rain^ | it works in windows and ubuntu but not debian |
| 11:02.44 | rain^ | it shows up as a mmc storage device |
| 11:02.51 | rain^ | and mass storage device |
| 11:03.08 | liable | fredl: as i said, backporting xoeg and the associated drivers would be a huge task, so i'm not surprised backports doesnt have it |
| 11:03.21 | rain^ | i went here: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=54692 and did what it said |
| 11:03.27 | liable | xorg* |
| 11:03.28 | rain^ | no cigar on debian |
| 11:03.31 | fredl | hmmm'kay |
| 11:03.47 | fredl | twiddles his toes |
| 11:03.52 | valdyn | rain^: once you eject the cdrom, does /dev/ttyUSB0 exist? |
| 11:03.55 | hark | ok, just umount or eject the device |
| 11:04.21 | liable | fredl: its a pita, but not more than an hours work compiling xorg once you know whats happening. i dont suggest it though. |
| 11:04.22 | rain^ | hark: i did and the mass storage device goes away but mmc doesnt |
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| 11:05.06 | hark | it doesn't? you sure? does it show up in 'mount'? |
| 11:05.06 | cast | ahh i got an eee, intel ftw |
| 11:05.14 | fredl | liable - well I just got through recompiling my first kernel again, still want to do kvm's kernel module and userland utils. Doing xorg on top of that Hmmm... ;-) |
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| 11:05.34 | cast | FWIW you don't need x :) |
| 11:05.35 | rain^ | no, its unmounted. in the explorer under Computer it shows up as Novatel MMC Storage |
| 11:05.41 | hark | rain^: you can also use usb-modeswitch, it's meant for such hopeless devices |
| 11:05.44 | fredl | cast - I do!! |
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| 11:05.55 | fredl | cast - I'm building a desktopserver :) |
| 11:05.58 | cast | you can render your porn using aalib! |
| 11:06.17 | fredl | I know but it wouldn't be the same :P |
| 11:06.21 | cast | oh, what does desktop server mean? |
| 11:06.21 | rain^ | usb-modeswitch? how do i get that without the net? |
| 11:06.28 | liable | fredl: i did xorg back when xgl first came out, had to because of an ati card. its fucking painfull.. |
| 11:06.39 | fredl | a desktopserver is a new type of system. |
| 11:06.42 | fredl | it's (tm) |
| 11:06.52 | liable | fredl: way way way worse than kernels.. |
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| 11:07.04 | fredl | liable - I believe it. probably not nearly as well documented as kernels either. |
| 11:07.10 | hark | !versions usb-modeswitch |
| 11:07.17 | hark | judd versions usb-modeswitch |
| 11:07.18 | judd | hark: usb-modeswitch -- sid: 1.0.2-1 squeeze: 1.0.2-1 |
| 11:07.31 | fredl | liable - I have compiled X11R5 in my student days when we didn't even have GCC yet :P |
| 11:07.33 | rain^ | im using lenny |
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| 11:08.04 | cast | is that where you use the same computer as your desktop and server? |
| 11:08.46 | fredl | cast - yes. It's for a 'home' computer that's on 24/7 doing server thingies but also used for watching movies, music, stuff like that. |
| 11:08.59 | fredl | I mean I have all the CPU power in the world to do that. |
| 11:09.13 | liable | fredl: xorg is a beast, thank god for packagers that have to deal with it. |
| 11:09.26 | fredl | so either I kick Debian into doing desktop stuff... or I kick Ubuntu into doing server stuff. |
| 11:09.28 | hark | rain^: you have to backport it yourself then. /msg dpkg ssb . see http://packages.debian.org/sid/usb-modeswitch |
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| 11:09.49 | fredl | I figure kicking Debian into doing desktop stuff was my safest bet :) |
| 11:09.52 | liable | fredl: noo for ubuntu servers |
| 11:10.01 | liable | thats just wrong |
| 11:10.04 | fredl | I know. |
| 11:10.23 | fredl | I run ubuntu on my laptop though, I'm no zealot of any kind. |
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| 11:10.34 | cast | aren't you worried about someone breaking into your server and seeing all your desktop shits |
| 11:10.37 | liable | thats fine, but not on servers |
| 11:10.40 | fredl | I even rn Windows 7 in a KVM virt. |
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| 11:10.59 | fredl | cast - nobody should be breaking into my server right? :-) |
| 11:11.10 | hark | rain^: actually, you should be able to install it directly from sid. just install libusb-0.1-4 before |
| 11:11.10 | cast | ubuntu servers smell of "i shouldn't be running a server" |
| 11:11.15 | fredl | and everybody's allowed to see my porn. |
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| 11:11.29 | fredl | you want some? :-) |
| 11:11.33 | ethanol | would a binary for "Linux ELF - Intel x86" be suitable for debian lenny on a dual core? |
| 11:11.36 | rain^ | hark: is there a way to dl it now and install it from my usb drive? |
| 11:12.10 | liable | ethanol: should be, unless your running 64? |
| 11:12.15 | cast | eni23: it might be, it might not be. |
| 11:12.38 | liable | !lart cast's nicktab |
| 11:12.38 | dpkg | blasts cast's nicktab with a huge firehose then strangles cast's nicktab with it |
| 11:12.44 | Liquidity_C | et, Framebuffer worked nicely, I even got a nice splashscreen, thanks |
| 11:12.46 | cast | or a SPARC, etc... |
| 11:12.53 | hark | rain^: get the libusb-0.1-4 deb from stable and the usb-modeswitch one from my earlier link. use dpkg to install them |
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| 11:13.32 | fredl | now... onwards... as the radeon driver is probably going to be too big of a chunk for me to bite off... |
| 11:13.47 | fredl | I guess I'm going to be using fglrx after all's said and done. |
| 11:14.06 | liable | you could run testing.. |
| 11:14.06 | rain^ | i think i will just wait until later when i can jack in with a cat5 and install it that way |
| 11:14.13 | rain^ | thanks for ur help every1 |
| 11:14.18 | liable | if you werent such a wuss.. |
| 11:14.25 | j_14 | Hello. How can I stop Seahorse from managing my ssh key? |
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| 11:14.30 | hark | rain^: here's the docs http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
| 11:14.34 | fredl | oh hush up! I would run testing if it were called testED |
| 11:14.43 | liable | j_14: remove it? |
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| 11:14.46 | fredl | n/p rain^ |
| 11:15.16 | liable | pussy |
| 11:15.21 | j_14 | liable: no, i just don't want seahorse to pop up anymore. |
| 11:15.25 | fredl | mpffffrrt haha |
| 11:15.32 | liable | :) |
| 11:15.32 | fredl | fucker :P |
| 11:16.06 | liable | j_14: so if you dont want it, why not remove it? |
| 11:16.14 | j_14 | liable: i mean, i don't want it to pop up when i use that particular key :) |
| 11:16.18 | fredl | OTOH, it's not like I'm running deadly critical server stuff on the box.... |
| 11:16.23 | cast | dependencies perhaps |
| 11:16.41 | liable | wtf does seahorse do anyway? |
| 11:16.43 | fredl | I just keep hearing of too many things breaking on squeeze. |
| 11:16.58 | j_14 | liable: it is an agent for ssh and gpg keys |
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| 11:17.01 | flower | any idea when pkg-config 0.23 hit debian? |
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| 11:17.05 | liable | oh |
| 11:17.17 | liable | fredl: ask its maintainer |
| 11:17.23 | liable | flower: ^^ |
| 11:19.07 | achadwick | tarzeau: are my patches OK for you for mypaint? I've not had any feedback :( re. http://bugs.debian.org/mypaint :) |
| 11:19.31 | achadwick | wonders if sad-smiley and happy-smiley really are balancing bracket pairs... |
| 11:19.37 | tarzeau | achadwick: hey, thanks, yes, i applied two of them |
| 11:19.50 | tarzeau | achadwick: i'm trying to get the updates sponsored... |
| 11:19.58 | hark | flower: you can check via packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 11:20.56 | jogla | Hello |
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| 11:21.10 | jogla | Can apt-get automatically install everything i need in order to recompile a package? |
| 11:21.22 | cast | sure, |
| 11:21.33 | cast | man apt-get /build-dep |
| 11:21.47 | jogla | Hilarious, thank you! |
| 11:21.48 | flower | wow pkg-config is damn old.... the latest is from january and not in unstable yet |
| 11:22.03 | cast | hilarious? :\ |
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| 11:22.31 | fredl | Hmpff fglrx module version = 8.56.4, Current ATI Drivers FGLRX Catalyst 9.7 |
| 11:22.43 | fredl | dusty Debian :-) |
| 11:22.44 | achadwick | tarzeau: np, and thanks for your efforts so far. I guess the next thing is to persuade someone to package the ora thumbailers (or do it myself, I suppose) |
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| 11:23.37 | mesa_booger | fglrx discussion, or even thought, should be banned here imo |
| 11:24.05 | fredl | well it runs on Debian :P |
| 11:24.32 | mesa_booger | heh |
| 11:24.35 | fredl | if I wouldn't have to recompile xorg to get the radeon driver to work I might spend some more time on trying to figure it out. |
| 11:24.45 | fredl | so there :P |
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| 11:25.10 | cast | thinks macromedia flash and nvidia talk should be banned |
| 11:25.51 | fredl | headless servers... headless people ? :) |
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| 11:26.04 | fredl | wanders away laughing |
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| 11:32.18 | petern_ | Hi. Does anyone know why pkg-config 0.23 hasn't reached Debian? |
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| 11:33.28 | cast | no, but someone just asked that. |
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| 11:35.42 | fredl | alright.. looking good so far... |
| 11:35.52 | jelly | wonders what requires pkg-config 0.23 |
| 11:35.57 | fredl | bbl |
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| 11:39.59 | petern_ | jelly, naspro, apparently (actually it works if i fudge its configure to require 0.22, but that's besides the point) |
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| 11:41.42 | jelly | !naspro |
| 11:41.47 | Arafangion1 | Hey, when I've got a brand new setup debian squeeze system... Why does typing df -h report /home as having used 200M? |
| 11:41.57 | jelly | neverheardofit |
| 11:42.04 | Arafangion1 | it has only one user directory... And it isn't even a desktop system. |
| 11:42.14 | fredl | that's working pretty nicely actually... sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-9-9-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/lenny |
| 11:43.02 | cast | Arafangion1: and what does du -h /home say? |
| 11:43.42 | fredl | just makes a fglrx-kernel-src_8.65-1_amd64.deb |
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| 11:44.00 | Arafangion1 | 36K /home |
| 11:44.09 | fredl | which doesn't like Lenny's, oops non-free's fglrx-source |
| 11:44.43 | petern_ | jelly, indeed, it's not really ready to use either, it was just an example :) |
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| 11:45.05 | petern_ | jelly, but pkg-config 0.23 is over 18 months old |
| 11:45.41 | cast | Arafangion1: and how big is /home? |
| 11:46.01 | Arafangion1 | cast: What do you mean big? It contains two directories in total, including lost+found. |
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| 11:46.22 | fredl | and module-assistant doesn't like the proprietary driver deb *sigh* |
| 11:46.33 | cast | ahh, i mean, what is the size of the blockdev mounted as /home |
| 11:47.13 | Arafangion1 | cast: Not sure - it's the default setting. |
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| 11:47.46 | cast | i reckon the 200mb is just FS overhead, with UFS for a 20G fs i get 20MB of overhead |
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| 11:48.50 | Arafangion1 | cast: I'm sure it is overhead... But what. 200MB is the largest overhead I've ever seen. Mind you, this FS is about 900MB in total. |
| 11:48.52 | fredl | fuck this is so screwed up :P |
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| 11:49.17 | zareliman | hi |
| 11:49.17 | Arafangion1 | cast: Besides, surely, the fundamental FS overhead wouldn't be part of "available space", would it not? |
| 11:49.43 | zareliman | how can I make a command executable from any folder ? |
| 11:50.03 | SlayerXP | zareliman: I don't understand the question. |
| 11:50.06 | zareliman | I know it was something like linking to /usr/local/bin |
| 11:50.27 | cast | Arafangion1: so how big is the blockdev /home is on? 900mb? |
| 11:50.27 | rmrf | zareliman: or /usr/bin |
| 11:50.43 | zareliman | how do I link ? thats my question |
| 11:50.52 | rmrf | zareliman: and any folder in your PATH |
| 11:51.06 | rmrf | zareliman: use ln command |
| 11:51.07 | Arafangion1 | cast: How do I find out? |
| 11:51.09 | fredl | zareliman - man ln |
| 11:51.14 | zareliman | thanks |
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| 11:51.42 | fredl | fglrx is pretty damn slow without the kernel module. |
| 11:51.48 | cast | Arafangion1: check what /dev device it corresponds to, |
| 11:52.02 | Arafangion1 | That's easy to find out... What's next? |
| 11:52.15 | cast | blockdev --getsize64 /dev/whatever |
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| 11:52.47 | zareliman | I've got fglrx too and I cant even enable metacity's compositing |
| 11:52.56 | zareliman | it becomes sluggish |
| 11:52.59 | Arafangion1 | Hmm, Debian squeeze is a bit different from Debian Etch. |
| 11:53.04 | fredl | According to Phoronix support for the 2.6.30 kernel will not be available until the 9.8 driver. |
| 11:53.10 | Arafangion1 | WHy can't I do "apt-get search ..."? |
| 11:53.18 | Arafangion1 | (Also, I don't have blockdev installed) |
| 11:53.34 | zareliman | maybe you can try aptitude search |
| 11:53.39 | rmrf | Arafangion1: exactly it is "apt-cache search" |
| 11:53.42 | zareliman | aptitude is like the imporved version |
| 11:54.05 | Arafangion1 | rmrf: Cool. :) |
| 11:54.26 | cast | util-linux: /sbin/blockdev |
| 11:54.32 | cast | strange, thought you'd have that. |
| 11:54.36 | cast | path issue? |
| 11:54.42 | Arafangion1 | cast: Minimal install. |
| 11:54.48 | Dumb0 | zareliman, isn't aptitude a simple graphical front-end of apt-get ? |
| 11:54.54 | cast | Dumb0: no. |
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| 11:55.46 | Dumb0 | hmm |
| 11:55.47 | cast | Arafangion1: it's a required, and has some important stuffs in it :\ |
| 11:55.49 | Dumb0 | k |
| 11:56.15 | Arafangion1 | cast: Well, default squeeze install does not have it. |
| 11:56.23 | cast | curious |
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| 11:57.20 | cast | hmm, 100GB UFS, 65MB overhead |
| 11:57.21 | Ruski | siemano |
| 11:57.22 | Ruski | wszystkim |
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| 11:57.36 | Arafangion1 | cast: Indeed. I should mention that by default, I tend to unselect everything the installer specifies. |
| 11:57.41 | Arafangion1 | cast: So I really do the minimal. |
| 11:57.46 | Ruski | ktos mial by ochote na dupe maryni? |
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| 11:58.03 | cast | i normally use debootstrap so get out of the loop with what installers do :\ |
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| 11:58.11 | Ruski | hej torby |
| 11:58.17 | Arafangion1 | cast: Similar thing. |
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| 11:59.19 | Ruski | raz bym wam cos powiedzia³ ale niêê bêdê sie |
| 11:59.59 | fredl | it looks like I may just HAVE to move to squeeze instead of Lenny. |
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| 12:00.04 | Ruski | Arafangion1 boli cie dupa? |
| 12:00.07 | fredl | (II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0 |
| 12:00.07 | fredl | (WW) fglrx(0): could not detect X server version (query_status=-1) |
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| 12:00.30 | fredl | this is worse than Windoze :P |
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| 12:00.40 | Arafangion1 | cast: Infact, I can't even find it on packages.debian.org |
| 12:00.47 | Titan8990 | fglrx is pretty bad |
| 12:00.47 | Arafangion1 | fredl: How so? |
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| 12:01.04 | Arafangion1 | fredl: What's worse? |
| 12:01.06 | fredl | Titan8990, no, the radeon driver is great, pfffft. |
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| 12:01.26 | fredl | Titan8990, I'd have to backport xorg to get that to run :P |
| 12:01.42 | Arafangion1 | fredl: : Ahh, yes, 3D graphics and such like drivers in general are crap, no thanks to ATI or NVidia. |
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| 12:02.32 | fredl | well the ATI drivers 1) gave me all the right questions on the website 2) downloaded 3) built Debian packages |
| 12:03.03 | fredl | so all's well there. But installing the kernel driver package and trying to compile it results in errors |
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| 12:03.24 | fredl | and I have a sinking feeling that it's not the fglrx driver's problem :) |
| 12:03.31 | Arafangion1 | cast: Sorry, my mistake. I do indeed have blockdev. Turns out it's a system binary (Which makes sense), but I got confused when it didn't show up in the package lists. |
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| 12:03.56 | Arafangion1 | cast: The size is huge: 985363835904 (Typed manually) |
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| 12:04.21 | OsteHovel^PDA | how often is debians release cycle? |
| 12:04.33 | fredl | OsteHovel^PDA, when it's done. |
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| 12:04.44 | OsteHovel^PDA | ok ;D |
| 12:05.07 | fredl | usually about every three years :P |
| 12:05.10 | OsteHovel^PDA | how old is lenny? |
| 12:05.16 | fredl | not so old yet. |
| 12:05.21 | fredl | this year. |
| 12:05.23 | OsteHovel^PDA | ok |
| 12:05.24 | OsteHovel^PDA | good |
| 12:05.27 | Arafangion1 | fredl: I remember when it was more like 5 or 6 years. ;) |
| 12:05.31 | rmrf | ah, debian has recently changed its policy |
| 12:05.35 | rmrf | it's 2 years now |
| 12:05.36 | OsteHovel^PDA | then i dont need to worry about upgrade so often :D |
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| 12:05.44 | fredl | OsteHovel^PDA, indeed. |
| 12:05.49 | fredl | 2 years? wow. |
| 12:05.56 | Arafangion1 | 2 years is way too short. :( |
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| 12:06.05 | fredl | I know, 5 was better. |
| 12:06.13 | fredl | unless you want to use graphics drivers. |
| 12:06.16 | Arafangion1 | Machines I'm upgrading now are nealry 6 years old |
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| 12:06.36 | fredl | well those machines should be tossed away anyway Arafangion1 |
| 12:06.38 | syslq | Guys what ftp server is good on debian |
| 12:06.39 | OsteHovel^PDA | on my server i started with ubuntu cli version.... but i got so pissed off becouse they release a new version so often... |
| 12:06.48 | OsteHovel^PDA | thats why i changed to debian |
| 12:06.51 | fredl | since they cost more in maintenance contracts than they do under warranty. |
| 12:07.18 | yareckon | syslq, vsftp is the one one what I have used... but not heavily |
| 12:07.28 | syslq | yareckon: thanks |
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| 12:07.37 | fredl | I don't use ftp if I can prevent it so wouldn't know. |
| 12:07.40 | yareckon | it seems to work... usual disclaimers about ftp security apply |
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| 12:08.57 | s_orb | What's the deb equivalent of `updatedb`? |
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| 12:09.40 | s_orb | oh nm, should be installing locate first ;) |
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| 12:10.15 | Arafangion1 | fredl: What do you think I'm doing? ;) |
| 12:10.24 | Arafangion1 | fredl: But to be honest, they were working perfectly fine. |
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| 12:10.43 | Arafangion1 | fredl: It's not like a small business has huge requirements for a file server. |
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| 12:17.52 | han_ | hi. i have to run a program as daemon. an apache mod tries to connect the daemon via socket. the socket should be in /var/run but isn't so the apache mod can't connect. is there something i have to mention running the program in daemon mode? |
| 12:18.12 | karpar | hi, what's the name of the key below Esc? |
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| 12:19.26 | catsup | ` is grave accent ~ is tilde |
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| 12:19.50 | karpar | catsup: thanks |
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| 12:20.39 | fredl | Arafangion1, nope. Until they die, then you find out how badly needed they were :) |
| 12:21.21 | catsup | han_: you have to say what program it is for anyone to know anything about it |
| 12:21.48 | han_ | renderd |
| 12:22.31 | han_ | it's a python script to render maps with mapnik |
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| 12:23.10 | nestor | hi. I instaled grub2 and now I can´t boot my system... My case is this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547944 |
| 12:23.18 | catsup | how did you install it han_ ? |
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| 12:23.43 | han_ | i run it without install |
| 12:24.07 | catsup | well you need root to put a socket in /var/run/ |
| 12:24.08 | nestor | the solution seems to be easy.. but I have my hd encrypted.. |
| 12:24.09 | han_ | only a config file to say where to finde socket and other configs |
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| 12:24.28 | han_ | i already run it as root |
| 12:24.52 | catsup | perhaps it doesn't create the socket file, anyway |
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| 12:24.59 | catsup | shrug |
| 12:25.02 | fredl | hmm a dpkg error.... |
| 12:25.06 | catsup | ask someone who knows about the software |
| 12:25.11 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.21 | han_ | how can i list all running daemons on my sys? |
| 12:25.43 | catsup | han_: ps aux -H|less |
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| 12:27.08 | catsup | nestor: you don't know how to mount your encrypted fs from a livecd, you mean? |
| 12:27.14 | han_ | thx |
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| 12:27.32 | Arafangion1 | Are there good web frontends for common fileserver tasks? |
| 12:27.41 | mesa_booger | not really |
| 12:27.44 | Arafangion1 | Say, to add/'remove samba users, and manage passwords? |
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| 12:27.52 | Arafangion1 | (Just that alone might be all I need) |
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| 12:27.57 | Titan8990 | Arafangion1, thats called swat |
| 12:28.07 | cast | there's never any good web frontends for admin work |
| 12:28.19 | catsup | ajaxterm |
| 12:29.01 | Titan8990 | !swat |
| 12:29.01 | dpkg | swat is probably Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat', enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/ |
| 12:29.01 | rmrf | Arafangion1: you can try webmin |
| 12:29.02 | Titan8990 | rmrf, not in debian |
| 12:29.02 | Arafangion1 | I thought swat has effectively been discontinued. |
| 12:29.02 | Titan8990 | !webmin |
| 12:29.02 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 12:29.02 | mesa_booger | yup. but it isn't really a common fileserver task, in the tradition of say, backup & maintenance |
| 12:29.02 | Arafangion1 | webmin is way too much. :( |
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| 12:29.23 | cast | just do what sane people do and use ssh :P |
| 12:29.28 | rmrf | Titan8990: thanks, I don't know that before O_o |
| 12:29.29 | nestor | catsup, well, do I need to mount the crypted part of the hd, to do a chroot to hda? |
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| 12:29.46 | cast | depends what part you encrypted |
| 12:30.00 | catsup | nestor: if your root fs is encrypted then you need to decrypt it to mount it |
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| 12:30.10 | fredl | Hrmm, for some reason m-a a-i fglrx pulls in packages that I don't *want* |
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| 12:30.49 | cast | catsup: i wonder how much people think through their questions |
| 12:30.58 | fredl | and that's the only way I know how to compile it with :/ |
| 12:31.43 | catsup | cast: it's too early in the morning for thinking |
| 12:31.48 | nestor | cast, yes, of course, but in fact I have already mount hda but only appears the boot necesary files and the /grub directory... |
| 12:32.34 | nestor | sorry, it was for catsup , not cast ^^ |
| 12:33.12 | catsup | nestor: well you don't in fact need to mount your root fs to install grub |
| 12:33.12 | nestor | What I want is reinstall grub legacy... |
| 12:33.33 | catsup | you could install grub using grub-install on the live cd |
| 12:33.44 | nestor | no, I can not... |
| 12:33.56 | nestor | I do not now why.. |
| 12:34.20 | nestor | lrt me tray again to read the error mesage |
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| 12:34.45 | catsup | yeah grub is always stubbornly producing errors |
| 12:35.00 | nestor | catsup, thx 4 your help :) |
| 12:35.05 | catsup | not like lilo which just installs |
| 12:35.12 | nestor | yap.. |
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| 12:40.09 | fredl | wew! got the latest and greatest fglrx drivers to work on the 2.6.30 kernel on Lenny |
| 12:40.23 | fredl | damn this was a pain in the ass though. |
| 12:40.32 | Arafangion1 | cast: Well, I'm setting this computer up for a small business server... But I'd rather administer it as little as possible. |
| 12:41.03 | nestor | catsup, the grub-installer can't find any OS... but if I try to install it anyway, it returs a "fatal error". |
| 12:41.05 | Arafangion1 | cast: But I guess that I'll just have them email me anything they like and then I'll get to it in my own time - if it takes days, then So Be It! |
| 12:41.12 | cast | is squeeze frozen? |
| 12:42.16 | catsup | nestor: what do you mean 'the grub installer' |
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| 12:42.42 | nestor | the grub-install script |
| 12:43.01 | catsup | nestor: you should be using the command 'grub-install' |
| 12:43.04 | nestor | from a shell in a rescue mode debian cd |
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| 12:43.25 | nestor | yes, yes, this one is the comand, catsup |
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| 12:44.14 | nestor | It do not works... maybe becouse I have my hd encrypted?? |
| 12:44.18 | fredl | I have to admire the Debian crew though for being so consistent to demand source code for EVERYTHING |
| 12:44.42 | fredl | I may not like it much or have to do a lot of work because of it... |
| 12:44.50 | FilipeMaia | Is there any pdf plugin other than the one from Acrobat? |
| 12:44.53 | petern_ | That's sort of the point of open source... |
| 12:45.14 | fredl | but I can only imagine the crap they get for not easily being able to install package X or Z |
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| 12:46.10 | fredl | oh I know petern_ |
| 12:47.18 | fredl | I just installed googleearth-package |
| 12:47.36 | fredl | ran /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package |
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| 12:47.55 | fredl | only to find that it had downloaded a source it didn't know how to deal with |
| 12:48.03 | fredl | so I could use --force |
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| 12:48.23 | fredl | which gave tons of warnings but did eventually work :P |
| 12:48.47 | fredl | it's good, I'm happy, got a ton of things done today |
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| 12:50.16 | kripz_ | how can i force a hdd to sleep? stop it spinning |
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| 12:51.14 | cast | hdparm |
| 12:51.27 | kripz_ | thanks |
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| 12:52.45 | Aalinux | If i compile all from here: http://www.kde.org/download/#v4.3 will this replace older kde 3.5? |
| 12:52.58 | Aalinux | ? |
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| 12:53.20 | cast | probably depends how and where you install it, |
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| 12:53.41 | Aalinux | cast: It's debian lenny. |
| 12:54.16 | Aalinux | cast: Any other dependecies needed? |
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| 12:54.34 | mhymn | Aalinux: you might want to consult #debian-kde or use debian binaries |
| 12:54.56 | Aalinux | mhymn: Where would i get debian binaries |
| 12:55.25 | mhymn | Aalinux: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 12:56.51 | ArmEagle | hmm, is there no pdflatext in Debian? |
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| 12:57.16 | Aalinux | ArmEagle: Probably kile |
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| 12:58.01 | Stereo | hello |
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| 12:58.30 | Stereo | is there a way to know which rc files would be left by a package if I removed it without purging it ? |
| 12:59.32 | mhymn | configuration files? |
| 12:59.43 | Stereo | yes |
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| 13:02.56 | stew | Stereo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles |
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| 13:03.06 | ArmEagle | hmm, need tetex packages apparently |
| 13:03.19 | stew | Stereo: and look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm to see whatelse purge might be doing |
| 13:03.22 | Stereo | stew: that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!! |
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| 13:05.39 | esaym153 | anyone got any info on how to install debian in a xen domu ? |
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| 13:08.03 | Stereo | right, it's very odd, I've got two phpmyadmin installs, the configuration files are the same, the versions are the same, and they behave differently |
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| 13:08.43 | Titan8990 | Stereo, sure one isn't a skeleton and the other the vhost install? |
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| 13:09.20 | Stereo | Titan8990: sure. I've md5sum'd /etc/phpmyadmin on both sides. |
| 13:09.45 | Stereo | one side requires me to set options explicitly, the other is fine with the default config files. |
| 13:10.09 | Titan8990 | Stereo, both debian? |
| 13:10.10 | Stereo | I should purge and reinstall on the troubled side, but the phpmyadmin is being used right now |
| 13:10.20 | Stereo | yes, both lenny on i386 |
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| 13:14.15 | Stereo | right, a purge and reinstall made it right. Very strange. |
| 13:15.53 | Stereo | and a git diff shows no significant differences |
| 13:16.02 | Stereo | I'll chalk it up to in being friday I suppose |
| 13:16.17 | Stereo | thank you Titan8990, and thank you again stew :) |
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| 13:23.49 | xxx4 | looks like connection is timed out |
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| 13:25.22 | Morten_ | If I haven't chosen a GUI when installing debian - which gui is then used? |
| 13:25.28 | Morten_ | is gnome default? |
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| 13:27.29 | halflife08 | Morten_: yes if you choose a desktop install |
| 13:29.00 | Morten_ | ok, thanks :) |
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| 13:30.02 | alcohol | whats a fast way to get a count of all files in current and subdirs? |
| 13:30.08 | alcohol | find . -type f | wc -l ? |
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| 13:30.18 | alcohol | (my first guess) |
| 13:30.58 | Hoxzer | :-( "f" is misleading |
| 13:31.08 | Hoxzer | should be 'd' instead. |
| 13:31.22 | catsup | what |
| 13:31.27 | alcohol | why d? |
| 13:31.37 | catsup | that would list directories |
| 13:31.40 | Hoxzer | directory. f might also refer to "file" as in normal file |
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| 13:31.48 | Hoxzer | OH |
| 13:31.50 | alcohol | but I want to count files.. |
| 13:31.53 | Hoxzer | nvm. |
| 13:31.56 | alcohol | <3 |
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| 13:34.22 | fredl | fucking damnit, I hate wiki spammers. |
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| 13:41.29 | jhernandez | hi |
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| 13:41.57 | jhernandez | could anyone help me with a partition application made in python? |
| 13:42.19 | jhernandez | i can get devices, partitions, etc |
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| 13:43.31 | jhernandez | i can create partitions too, but i can't create partitions using fat32 or ext3, all partitions i can make are ext2 |
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| 13:43.58 | murdoc-is-god | What would be more secure for full disk encryption: AES-192 or AES-256? I've heard conflicting things. |
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| 13:44.31 | aliceinwire | how i can see the log of the last connection from my pc |
| 13:44.34 | aliceinwire | ? |
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| 13:46.18 | rudi_s | murdoc-is-god: Well aes-256 is longer so it should be "more" secure, but it shouldn't matter, both should be secure enough. |
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| 13:48.27 | datacrusher | wich file gots the hosts i know |
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| 13:49.25 | \amethyst | Actually |
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| 13:49.40 | \amethyst | there is a related-key attack on AES-256 with a complexity of 2^119 |
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| 13:49.50 | \amethyst | still not practical, but.. |
| 13:49.52 | helo | run! |
| 13:50.19 | \amethyst | the analogous attack on AES-192 has a complexity of 2^176 |
| 13:50.34 | kripz | one of my hdd's was failingi n my mdadm raid5 array, i pulled out the sata cable and it was the wrong one. now i put it back in and my array is dead? http://pastebin.com/m41d057a5 |
| 13:50.50 | kripz | before i did this i put the fs in RO m,ode |
| 13:51.08 | helo | \amethyst: so AES-192 is harder than AES-256? |
| 13:51.50 | helo | kripz: you didn't shut down? |
| 13:52.05 | \amethyst | helo: for certain uses---hashing rather than block ciphering |
| 13:52.13 | kripz | helo no |
| 13:52.35 | datacrusher | im wich file i can add hosts by name: address on debian? |
| 13:52.40 | kripz | regardless, that would of simulated a real failure? and because it was in RO mode, it shouldnt of written anything to kill it? |
| 13:52.44 | datacrusher | so it would resolve them by name |
| 13:52.54 | catsup | datacrusher: /etc/hosts |
| 13:54.35 | catsup | kripz: well pulling the cable might have fucked up the disk content anyway... |
| 13:54.45 | helo | kripz: it shouldn't write anything to the file system... i don't think you can put the entire drive in RO mode |
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| 13:55.13 | catsup | kripz: but your problem is just that you have two drives marked failed, you should be able to get the thing workign by forcing it to mark the yanked drive as not failed |
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| 13:55.23 | catsup | kripz: you will have data corruption if that drive's data was corrupted by the yanking |
| 13:55.27 | \amethyst | helo: if you're interested: https://cryptolux.org/FAQ_on_the_attacks http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/317.pdf |
| 13:55.52 | helo | fun... |
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| 13:55.57 | kripz | catsup, well lets hope not. how do i mark it as ok? |
| 13:56.20 | catsup | some obscure option to mdadm |
| 13:56.26 | catsup | i don't know off hand but i know it's there |
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| 13:57.14 | \amethyst | helo: not a practical attack by any means, but it will become practical long before brute-forcing does :) |
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| 13:57.37 | Morten_ | Hi, im installing debian, but now it stalls: In the ctrl+alt+f4 window the following is: To continue, enter "yes"; to abort, enter "no": |
| 13:57.45 | Morten_ | And when I write Yes |
| 13:57.50 | Morten_ | nothing happens |
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| 14:01.49 | ChrisW | anyone know what's up with http://ftp.uk.debian.org/? |
| 14:02.59 | mquin | g6 |
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| 14:04.14 | ChrisW | mquin: was that at me? |
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| 14:04.48 | kripz | how do i make debian detect a sata disk i just plugged in? |
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| 14:05.44 | jelly | if the controller and the driver are hotplug compliant, it should be detected, kripz. Did anything appear in dmesg? |
| 14:06.04 | kripz | jelly nothing at all |
| 14:06.11 | jelly | did the disk spin up? |
| 14:06.23 | datacrusher | thanks catsup |
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| 14:06.34 | kripz | always had power in it, probably was already spinning?' |
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| 14:07.22 | g00se | sighs - yet more trouble with ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 14:07.37 | metala | When hard reset I constantly get UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY: Run fsck MANUALLY: |
| 14:07.44 | metala | and "Superblock last mount time is in the future" |
| 14:07.59 | metala | so i think the problem is in the hwclockfirst.sh, right? |
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| 14:08.25 | mquin | ChrisW: nope, just my flailing at the keyboard] |
| 14:09.00 | metala | so i was wondering, why there is row like this: if [ -d /dev/.udev ]; then |
| 14:09.01 | metala | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.01 | metala | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.20 | Morten_ | How do I say "Yes" in the console, when it want to install untrusted package |
| 14:11.24 | Morten_ | when installing debian |
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| 14:13.41 | krushik | what mail server should I use for handling mail from ~20 domains with ~10 accounts per domain and ~5 emails per account per day? I want to keep accounts in mysql and mail daemon should support tls. and be easily configured, reliable and secure =) |
| 14:14.18 | Titan8990 | exim4 is the default MTA for debian |
| 14:14.21 | catsup | postfix shuold be fine |
| 14:14.31 | Titan8990 | and supports what you need |
| 14:14.40 | catsup | exim4 too |
| 14:14.54 | Titan8990 | well, i doubt ANY email server falls under "easily configurable" |
| 14:14.55 | catsup | although postfix makes certain configuratino tasks easier |
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| 14:14.59 | Titan8990 | email is pita, period |
| 14:15.17 | Titan8990 | especially when adding in things like 20 domains |
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| 14:18.04 | krushik | ok, thanks, I'll chek it out |
| 14:18.59 | Rienzilla | i'd recommend exim |
| 14:19.12 | xeon-enouf | metala: your time/date is off inthe BIOS, and stop hardresetting |
| 14:19.20 | sadrolla | hi , into debian 5.0.3 ( 5 dvd ) is package for play mp3 and amr ? |
| 14:19.31 | kripz | ok looks all my data is there. how do i fix my array? http://pastebin.com/m6708f63e |
| 14:20.02 | xeon-enouf | metala: and allow a forcefsck - man fstab, set '/' fs to 0 1, all others to 0 0, or 0 2 |
| 14:20.12 | Titan8990 | !tell sadrolla about dmm |
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| 14:20.39 | Morten_ | How do I say "Yes" in the console, when it want to install untrusted package |
| 14:20.40 | Morten_ | when installing debian |
| 14:20.57 | Titan8990 | type yes and press enter? |
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| 14:23.13 | hark | Morten_: what version of debian are you installing and what arch? |
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| 14:23.59 | xeon-enouf | hark: i've been hearing issues of that on i386 and amd64 as well as PPC arches .. i think it's a mirror-wide thing |
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| 14:24.19 | ChrisW | is it normal for /usr/local/lib to not be on the shared library path? |
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| 14:25.08 | xeon-enouf | Morten_: try installing debian-archive-keyring, but 1st stop any/all apt/aptitude/synaptic processes |
| 14:25.09 | Morten_ | hark, its an older netinstall - but I need to go now, so im tried the stable release later. |
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| 14:25.36 | Morten_ | xeon-enouf, okay - ill try that when I get back, thanks :) |
| 14:25.40 | xeon-enouf | !etch->lenny key |
| 14:25.48 | xeon-enouf | er .. |
| 14:26.01 | xeon-enouf | !new archive key |
| 14:26.02 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be receiving this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
| 14:26.14 | hark | no workie => ! && -> |
| 14:26.37 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: not reaklly - check /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 14:27.18 | hark | Morten_: you can pass a boot option to allow untrusted packages as well, but it's better if you get the latest stable installer |
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| 14:27.38 | hark | xeon-enouf: has it been reported somewhere? |
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| 14:27.47 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: hmm, not really normal for it to be there or to be missing? |
| 14:27.49 | xeon-enouf | more precisely /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf |
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| 14:27.53 | Morten_ | hark, yeah - ill take the latest stable instead. Thanks :) |
| 14:28.14 | xeon-enouf | hark: i'm thinking of a much more recent issue - it seems |
| 14:28.31 | xeon-enouf | hark: very, as in the past few days |
| 14:29.20 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: bizarre... it *is* there and yet I'm still getting complaints about a shared library, which is on that path, being missing... why might that be? |
| 14:29.22 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: in that file i have ; |
| 14:29.24 | xeon-enouf | # libc default configuration |
| 14:29.26 | xeon-enouf | /usr/local/lib |
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| 14:29.42 | ChrisW | me too! |
| 14:29.51 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: you compiled it incorrectly, or .. you need to run ldconfig |
| 14:29.53 | softlite | Hello, sorry I can comment as someone I do not think a user who logs? ie ghost XD |
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| 14:30.05 | McManiaC | hey, im missing a "HsUnixCompat.h" lib - any idea where i could find this one? |
| 14:30.28 | Titan8990 | not in the debian repos, whats it for? |
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| 14:30.46 | Titan8990 | oh, compat wireless? |
| 14:30.56 | xeon-enouf | McManiaC: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 14:31.13 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: well, I haven't changed anything conf-wise, so I don't think I'd need to run ldconfig? |
| 14:31.14 | xeon-enouf | McManiaC: it's not a lib, *.h are header files |
| 14:31.22 | McManiaC | yeh |
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| 14:31.39 | ChrisW | compiled incorrectly? Well, the .so being complained about is there, in /usr/local/lib |
| 14:31.52 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: be more specific about the error, and what have you compiled and installed? |
| 14:32.05 | thesuliban1980 | hello! Does anyone of you use cyrus sieve? Since the last upgrade I cannot connect anymore to sieve. Can anyone confirm that? |
| 14:32.05 | xeon-enouf | run ldd on it |
| 14:32.13 | ChrisW | hang on, I'll sling a load of stuff in a pastebin for you :-) |
| 14:32.32 | softlite | Hey as I do a fake user on my system? |
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| 14:32.53 | xeon-enouf | McManiaC: you probavly just need the -dev pkg of whatever you're building |
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| 14:33.14 | fredl | LOL, WTF.... make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/kvm-kmod/x86/assigned-dev.o', needed by `/usr/src/kvm-kmod/x86/kvm.o'. Stop. |
| 14:33.19 | McManiaC | if i'd know that pkg is i'd install it right away |
| 14:33.24 | xeon-enouf | softlite: coherent english please |
| 14:33.25 | McManiaC | there is no unix-compat-dev pkg tho |
| 14:33.26 | fredl | 'assigned-dev.o' ?? |
| 14:33.41 | fredl | something went fubar there :P |
| 14:33.44 | softlite | ho sorry XD |
| 14:33.47 | softlite | jejeje |
| 14:33.48 | xeon-enouf | fredl: you're config sucks |
| 14:33.51 | xeon-enouf | your* |
| 14:33.52 | fredl | maybe I shouldn't try building KVM from gits. |
| 14:34.07 | fredl | dude, that's the kvm-kmod source. |
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| 14:34.20 | fredl | hence 'LOL' |
| 14:34.30 | softlite | I want to make a phantom user in my system :( |
| 14:34.55 | metala | This http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542753 bug is still unfixed, right? |
| 14:34.59 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/d401fea2f |
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| 14:35.04 | fredl | Hmm, uhhh... |
| 14:35.31 | xeon-enouf | try libghc6-configfile-dev |
| 14:35.38 | xeon-enouf | McManiaC: |
| 14:35.44 | xeon-enouf | and search pdo |
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| 14:36.00 | softlite | bout I dont know how :( |
| 14:36.22 | ChrisW | softlite: what do you mean by phantom? |
| 14:36.22 | McManiaC | k |
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| 14:37.27 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: er, do I have to run ldconfig each time compile a new shared library? |
| 14:37.42 | fredl | xeon-enouf, oddly enough I do have 'assigned-dev.c' but it's in the /usr/src/kvm/virt/kvm directory |
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| 14:37.59 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: uff .. what does readlink -f `which python2.6` say ? and you might need to ldconfig -a? |
| 14:38.00 | fredl | not in the /usr/src/kvm-kmod hierarchy. |
| 14:38.16 | xeon-enouf | ChrisW: no, just read ./configure --help :-p |
| 14:38.33 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: well, just doing ldconfig appears to have fixed it |
| 14:38.45 | ChrisW | where should I have looked to know that I needed to do that? |
| 14:38.54 | xeon-enouf | fredl: it wants .o a kernel object |
| 14:39.07 | xeon-enouf | man ldconfig ? |
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| 14:39.48 | fredl | looks at xeon-enouf |
| 14:39.48 | softlite | I understand that no generate logs, no generate, no trace :D =D y understand |
| 14:39.48 | softlite | this |
| 14:39.48 | ChrisW | hmm, okay, but it's not documented in ./configure that python comes with :-( |
| 14:39.48 | fredl | It wants to *build* a .o target you dolt. |
| 14:39.49 | softlite | I'm fine? |
| 14:39.57 | fredl | in order to do that it *needs* a .c file usually :-) |
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| 14:40.05 | xeon-enouf | fredl: no, it eventaually wants to make a .ko dummy :-P |
| 14:40.37 | fredl | yes, when it links the .o's together you twitter :P |
| 14:40.37 | xeon-enouf | fredl: wait - no names - it just leads down the wrong road, eventually |
| 14:40.43 | fredl | oh ok |
| 14:40.45 | fredl | ur right |
| 14:40.47 | fredl | sweetie. |
| 14:40.51 | xeon-enouf | tweetpooper! |
| 14:40.53 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 14:41.03 | fredl | twatter! |
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| 14:42.17 | xeon-enouf | fredl: /usr/src/kvm-kmod/x86/assigned-dev.o wants /usr/src/kvm-kmod/x86/kvm.o to make kvm.o into kvm.ko was my point |
| 14:42.21 | softlite | I understand that no generate logs, no generate, no trace :D =D y understand this... about phantom user. I'm fine? |
| 14:42.32 | xeon-enouf | er,vice-versa or something |
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| 14:43.20 | xeon-enouf | softlite: no idea what you mean - have a URL describing this phantom user? |
| 14:43.36 | fredl | no xeon-enough, you're wrong dude, *make* wants assigned-dev.c to make assigned-dev.o to make kvm.ko! |
| 14:43.38 | fredl | or something. |
| 14:43.40 | xeon-enouf | softlite: have you been rootkitted? :-P |
| 14:43.50 | softlite | :P |
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| 14:44.01 | fredl | but assigned-dev.c is not there in the kvm-kmod git repository. |
| 14:44.06 | xeon-enouf | fredl: hahaha - i see you're ready to lose some more $$$ :-p |
| 14:44.12 | fredl | so they made a small mistake :) |
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| 14:44.27 | xeon-enouf | yeah, they're always messing up |
| 14:44.47 | fredl | really? |
| 14:45.00 | fredl | maybe I should just grab the assigned-dev.c from the kvm tree. |
| 14:45.11 | fredl | nobody on #kvm is talking right now anyway |
| 14:45.31 | softlite | 'm wrong: ( |
| 14:45.34 | fredl | I also cloned from git.kernel.org.... |
| 14:45.35 | xeon-enouf | just go back and fix your config, you have no business with kvm unless your CPU has VT |
| 14:45.41 | xeon-enouf | and it doesn't |
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| 14:45.46 | fredl | it does. |
| 14:45.56 | fredl | I'm running kvm already. |
| 14:45.58 | xeon-enouf | show me cat /proc/cpuflags |
| 14:46.00 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 14:46.03 | softlite | this es de uRL |
| 14:46.06 | xeon-enouf | show me cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags |
| 14:46.06 | fredl | I just want the latest and greatest. |
| 14:46.13 | fredl | *sighs* |
| 14:46.14 | fredl | ok |
| 14:46.17 | xeon-enouf | !uuoc me |
| 14:46.17 | dpkg | hands xeon-enouf the "useless use of cat" award |
| 14:46.29 | softlite | http://ix.cs.buap.mx/~jhernb08/?p=315 |
| 14:46.37 | fredl | all of my flags for all 8 cores xeon-enouf ? |
| 14:46.41 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.41 | softlite | The user Phantom http://ix.cs.buap.mx/~jhernb08/?p=315 |
| 14:46.47 | hark | heh |
| 14:46.51 | xeon-enouf | fredl: one should do |
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| 14:47.04 | fredl | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good xtopology tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 lahf_lm ida tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid |
| 14:47.08 | fredl | there then |
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| 14:47.13 | hark | xeon-enouf: cmon, it should have it |
| 14:47.16 | softlite | :( this is wrong? :S |
| 14:47.18 | xeon-enouf | ok, you have vmx |
| 14:47.20 | fredl | the other 7 cores are identical, oddly enough :) |
| 14:47.40 | fredl | yes I know!! |
| 14:47.59 | fredl | I'm not a complete idiot, I learn quickly :) |
| 14:48.12 | xeon-enouf | softlite: dude, i can'tread that! english! ;-).. try ##linux maybe |
| 14:48.27 | softlite | XD |
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| 14:49.18 | xeon-enouf | softlite: actually, i can get the jist of it, but that's not good enough for me to be of help to you |
| 14:49.42 | xeon-enouf | softlite: try #debian-es? or -pt? or/msg dpkg es |
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| 14:49.51 | softlite | XD |
| 14:49.52 | softlite | ok |
| 14:49.54 | softlite | thx |
| 14:50.09 | softlite | My english no very well shit!! :( |
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| 14:52.16 | xeon-enouf | it's not too bad - just, i never heard/seen rpcid, but rpc?, si ;-) |
| 14:52.49 | ChrisW | xeon-enouf: thanks for your help! |
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| 14:54.06 | softlite | xeon-enouf: thanks for your help! men |
| 14:54.09 | softlite | ;) |
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| 14:54.53 | softlite | I think Im suck today :( XD |
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| 14:57.20 | pistache | WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Périphérique ou ressource occupé. |
| 14:57.40 | pistache | I got that with writing partion table changes with fdisk |
| 14:57.49 | pistache | error 16 is device or ressource busy |
| 14:58.11 | pistache | why ? |
| 14:58.49 | softlite | rpcid -> this is the user name XD |
| 14:58.51 | softlite | XD |
| 14:58.57 | xeon-enouf | softlite: hahaha |
| 14:59.10 | softlite | XD |
| 14:59.12 | softlite | jajajajajajaja |
| 14:59.14 | softlite | men |
| 14:59.15 | softlite | XD |
| 14:59.16 | softlite | jajajaja |
| 14:59.20 | softlite | XD |
| 14:59.22 | xeon-enouf | pistache: what's the fdisk -l output? |
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| 14:59.43 | xeon-enouf | softlite: too many ENTER hits .. ease up please ;-) |
| 14:59.48 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 14:59.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:59.50 | pistache | xeon-enouf: the good one |
| 14:59.56 | pistache | i mean changes are applied |
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| 15:00.35 | softlite | ok sorry :( |
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| 15:00.54 | pistache | anyway, all's working, but I wonder why I get this error message |
| 15:01.57 | NoCode | Update Manager just popped up in Squeeze, if it's asking me to do a safe-upgrade. Should I let it? Or does it matter? |
| 15:01.58 | xeon-enouf | pistache: show me fdisk -l ; and if changes are applied, reboot |
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| 15:02.45 | xeon-enouf | pistache: because / FS is busy, either it's on the same disk, or something else is wanky |
| 15:02.57 | pistache | yes it's root device |
| 15:03.00 | xeon-enouf | !safe-upgrade |
| 15:03.00 | dpkg | from memory, safe-upgrade is the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 15:03.18 | sigmonsays | Hello, I'm having a hard time putting together a dh_make for a pure python deployment. The dpkg-buildpkg is trying to run `make` when there is no Makefile. Any adivce on a better tutorial? =P |
| 15:03.18 | NoCode | ah okay |
| 15:03.49 | pistache | xeon-enouf: i have no way to paste the output currently |
| 15:03.51 | pistache | :( |
| 15:04.07 | pistache | this machine has no network |
| 15:04.18 | pistache | I only have a serial terminal to connect to it |
| 15:04.39 | pistache | Anyway, thanks for helping, reboot made it okay |
| 15:04.39 | pistache | :) |
| 15:04.41 | sigmonsays | pistache, I didn't know computers still worked w/o internet =P |
| 15:04.42 | ginx | you can't connect it to what you're IRCing from? |
| 15:04.57 | pistache | ginx: I only have a serial terminal on it |
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| 15:05.21 | pistache | Debian was deboostrapped on hard disk from my machine |
| 15:05.30 | ginx | drag |
| 15:05.39 | pistache | drag ? |
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| 15:05.45 | ginx | bummer |
| 15:05.51 | pistache | but anyway problem is solved :) |
| 15:05.53 | pistache | bummer ? |
| 15:05.56 | pistache | ??? |
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| 15:06.36 | ginx | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drag #3 |
| 15:06.48 | xeon-enouf | sigmonsays: is build-essential installed? |
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| 15:07.22 | sigmonsays | xeon-enouf, Yep, the problem is debian/rules is trying to run 'make' inside my python source, but ther is no makefile... |
| 15:07.39 | sigmonsays | it thinks there is C code invovled |
| 15:08.14 | xeon-enouf | sigmonsays: so you attempting to build a .deb? |
| 15:08.22 | sigmonsays | Yep |
| 15:08.24 | xeon-enouf | s/you/you're/ |
| 15:08.30 | xeon-enouf | ok, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 15:08.39 | sigmonsays | ty |
| 15:08.46 | stew | sigmonsays: debian/rules is a makefile |
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| 15:09.12 | Shearer | hello |
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| 15:09.15 | stew | sigmonsays: it must be by debian policy, the first line shoudl be #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 15:09.34 | keith4 | who do the scripts in /etc/cron.daily run as? |
| 15:09.45 | sigmonsays | stew, Right, i'm butchering the terminology. Rather, the makefile(s) are running "gcc ..." inside my source tree |
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| 15:09.51 | xeon-enouf | keith4: depends, the find one as nobody |
| 15:10.05 | sheepsy | Launchpad is like the greatest thing ever. |
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| 15:10.08 | stew | sigmonsays: then you should edit debian/rules |
| 15:10.16 | finley | when I do an "apt-cache depends $pkg", and I see "Depends: <pkgname>" in the output, what do the <> brackets indicate? |
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| 15:10.34 | iceroot | i am using grub. there is default 0. after a new kernel i want that the old kernel (now 1) is loaded automaticly. is there a way for this? so its always loading the kernel which was loaded at the beginning? |
| 15:10.57 | NoCode | Updating current with 1 package checked, and 1 unchecked. libreadline6 is unchecked. It says libreadline6-dev: Conflicts with libreadline5-dev. Should I remove said package? |
| 15:11.09 | xeon-enouf | make default 1? or move the one you want to top of list iceroot |
| 15:11.41 | Shearer | when i boot with dvd of new debian ia-64 I see only black screen with cursor, what can i do? |
| 15:11.53 | d1b | Shearer: push a button ? |
| 15:11.58 | xeon-enouf | Shearer: ia64 is for itanium CPUs |
| 15:12.09 | d1b | Shearer: do you have an itanium? |
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| 15:12.40 | Shearer | d1b no, intel :\ |
| 15:12.53 | Shearer | i have wrong version |
| 15:13.00 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: i dont want to adjust the default by hand. its filled with a template, so in menu.lst, there is default @%@mydefault@%@ and often, people forget to change the number after a rebbot, so maybe its possible that grub is adding new kernels at the bottom and not the top |
| 15:13.09 | xeon-enouf | intel makes itanium, but that's not the point ;-) |
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| 15:13.31 | Shearer | intel 64 bit core duo :D |
| 15:13.34 | iceroot | Shearer: you want amd64 |
| 15:13.35 | sheepsy | Sorry I made that last msg in the wrong channel. Just realized :| |
| 15:13.51 | Shearer | amd64 is also for intel 64 bit architectures? |
| 15:13.57 | iceroot | Shearer: also intel cpus are amd64 |
| 15:14.17 | keith4 | xeon-enouf: huh? |
| 15:14.20 | Shearer | thanks a lot :D |
| 15:14.23 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: yes, update-grub adds new entries, is it running when you install a newer linux-image-$VERSION? also, check your other "# <options>" in the Automagic area |
| 15:14.57 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: lines with one # are processed - line with two ## are comments, ONLY within the automagic area |
| 15:15.39 | xeon-enouf | keith4: huh what |
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| 15:15.53 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: ah, ok then i know my mistake, i was using updatedefaultentry=true instead of #updatedefaultentry=true |
| 15:15.56 | keith4 | <xeon-enouf> keith4: depends, the find one as nobody |
| 15:16.18 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: if that means that lines without # are not excecuted |
| 15:16.23 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: make sure you have no saveddefault file in /boot/grub/ or whatever |
| 15:16.36 | xeon-enouf | keith4: oh, yeah - read the script |
| 15:16.37 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: i dont have |
| 15:16.55 | xeon-enouf | keith4: otherwise, run as root , i'd say - check logs |
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| 15:17.14 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: bingo |
| 15:17.19 | anddam | hi |
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| 15:17.59 | keith4 | xeon-enouf: ah, I see. the 'locate' cron job explicity runs as 'nobody'. thanks |
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| 15:18.08 | xeon-enouf | keith4: right |
| 15:18.22 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: thank you so much, its working. |
| 15:18.28 | xeon-enouf | np |
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| 15:18.52 | xeon-enouf | keith4: could /msg dpkg groups (for some more info about default and system users/groups) |
| 15:18.58 | Shearer | .deb packages for 64 bit architecture are also diffused like them for 32bit architecture? |
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| 15:22.29 | jimcooncat | Shearer: diffused? |
| 15:22.39 | anddam | spread |
| 15:22.54 | anddam | s/them/those/ |
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| 15:23.10 | jimcooncat | Shearer: yes, they use the same package management system. |
| 15:23.50 | finley | when I do an "apt-cache depends $pkg", and I see "Depends: <pkgname>" in the output, what do the <> brackets indicate? |
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| 15:24.49 | xeon-enouf | finley: show us output to pastebin |
| 15:25.06 | xeon-enouf | finley: entire output with command |
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| 15:25.27 | Titan8990 | finley, usually <> means insert required field here |
| 15:25.32 | anddam | jimcooncat: he means if 64bit debs are commonly offered on repositories |
| 15:25.41 | finley | k |
| 15:25.43 | xeon-enouf | finley: is there a '|' starting the next line? |
| 15:25.54 | mederEsite | any reason why my id_dsa.pub works with one server and not the other? |
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| 15:26.27 | finley | http://pastebin.com/m193cef1a |
| 15:26.27 | mederEsite | the server it works with has openssh server 5.x, the one that doesnt is 3.9ish. i uploaded ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub and created authorized_keys in ~/.ssh on both servers |
| 15:26.32 | mederEsite | i also tried authorized_keys2 |
| 15:26.37 | mederEsite | i also tried dsa/rsa both |
| 15:26.47 | mederEsite | i tried ssh1 as well, dsa and rsa on the one that doesnt work |
| 15:26.49 | mederEsite | none seem to be working |
| 15:27.24 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 15:27.25 | judd | xeon-enouf: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-7 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-7 |
| 15:27.26 | finley | does it indicate a virtual packages? |
| 15:27.49 | fredl | throws a mainline kernel at xeon-enouf |
| 15:27.52 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: you might have bumped against /msg dpkg dsa1571 ? |
| 15:28.02 | mederEsite | no |
| 15:28.53 | fredl | sometimes you stick your hands inside a black box and you feel it has an inside... |
| 15:29.09 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: what if i generate the key on the server with the old openssh |
| 15:29.16 | mederEsite | instead of rely on my new after 2006 one |
| 15:29.27 | fredl | but other times you stick your hands inside the black box and there are no limits. |
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| 15:29.42 | xeon-enouf | finley: not sure, it might mean those packages need upgrading or replacing with newer versions? sorry - just don't know offhand |
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| 15:30.13 | finley | xeon-enouf, Titan8990: after a wee bit of further digging it looks like that one is a virtual package |
| 15:30.24 | finley | don't know if that will always be the case, but iti appears to be so this time. |
| 15:30.33 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: when you say doesn't work, what ssh -vvv say? |
| 15:30.45 | mederEsite | sorry for the vagueness, let me pastebin that |
| 15:30.50 | finley | I'm writing some wrapper code, and I think that tells me what I need to know. Thanks for having a look, guys. |
| 15:30.53 | xeon-enouf | finley: virtual? or meta? |
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| 15:31.01 | xeon-enouf | !metapackage |
| 15:31.01 | dpkg | from memory, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 15:31.14 | justin | !+debug sshd |
| 15:31.14 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 15:33.13 | xeon-enouf | fredl: why your hands? stick your head in there! ;-p |
| 15:33.26 | fredl | I'll stick your head in there you punk! :) |
| 15:33.45 | xeon-enouf | puts on a helmet |
| 15:33.46 | fredl | can now no longer rely on 'the Debian Way' as there is no packaged mainline kernel |
| 15:34.00 | fredl | so it's back to make config/bzImage/modules etc. |
| 15:34.12 | xeon-enouf | for .31? |
| 15:34.26 | xeon-enouf | !trunk kernel |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. kernel-archive.buildserver.net is currently offline. |
| 15:34.27 | fredl | yes. |
| 15:34.47 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: http://medero.org/log |
| 15:34.51 | fredl | xeon-enouf, I'm building it directly from git :) |
| 15:35.16 | fredl | well kvm.git that is, which is near mainline supposedly. |
| 15:35.16 | jelly | fredl: why would the debian way not work for a gif tree? |
| 15:35.19 | jelly | git* |
| 15:35.48 | fredl | hmm, that's a good question, it probably would wouldn't it? |
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| 15:36.04 | jelly | why do you think so? |
| 15:36.08 | fredl | make-kpkg isn't depending on whether your kernel source came in a deb pkg... |
| 15:36.20 | jelly | used to build vanilla kernels with it |
| 15:36.23 | fredl | jelly - you're right... |
| 15:36.37 | fredl | sometimes you just get on a certain track... |
| 15:37.09 | fredl | I guess I can still run make-kpkg after the make modules finishes. |
| 15:37.30 | catsup | i bet it restarts it |
| 15:37.32 | petern_ | idly wonders if anyone has any ideas for bug 542216 - gnomevfs related |
| 15:37.33 | fredl | dinnertime.. |
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| 15:37.43 | fredl | well we'll see after dinner :) |
| 15:37.47 | catsup | at least you'd have to touch something to keep it from rebuilding |
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| 15:38.57 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: seems somthing kerberos related/ |
| 15:38.58 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 15:39.04 | mederEsite | what's kerberos? |
| 15:39.07 | mederEsite | that thing you said? |
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| 15:39.31 | harrachi | hi, |
| 15:39.34 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: no, check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and your ~/.ssh/config |
| 15:39.40 | mederEsite | local? |
| 15:39.52 | mederEsite | k |
| 15:40.58 | jelly | !any ideas |
| 15:40.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:41.08 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: the only thing in my config is the proxy stuff |
| 15:41.11 | mederEsite | and that works fine |
| 15:41.16 | mederEsite | because i can ssh to other servers with it |
| 15:41.27 | mederEsite | there's nothing but 'ProxyCommand' |
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| 15:42.01 | xeon-enouf | well, no, on the server for the former, forget the latter for now, though in my ~/.ssh/config, the GSSAPI stuff is all commented out |
| 15:42.04 | mederEsite | actually xeon-enouf - i just remembered something |
| 15:42.21 | xeon-enouf | !idea |
| 15:42.21 | dpkg | from memory, idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 15:42.23 | mederEsite | heh |
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| 15:42.43 | mederEsite | on the server that DOESNT work, my $HOME is set to '/' and not '/home/meder', THAT must be why, the server admin didnt configure it correctly |
| 15:42.48 | mederEsite | actually, that HAS to be it |
| 15:43.06 | mederEsite | because it will check my $HOME which is /.ssh at the moment since its NOT /home/meder |
| 15:43.13 | mederEsite | but i have write privileges to /home/meder |
| 15:43.26 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: well, root user's home is /root/ |
| 15:43.53 | xeon-enouf | or do you literally mean '/' ? :-P |
| 15:43.57 | mederEsite | yes. |
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| 15:44.04 | xeon-enouf | odd shit man |
| 15:44.06 | mederEsite | theres a passwd file somewhere and i looked it up |
| 15:44.15 | mederEsite | and my user line had '/' not '/home/meder' |
| 15:44.52 | mederEsite | meder:x:534:534:meder:/:/bin/bash |
| 15:45.03 | xeon-enouf | yeah |
| 15:45.11 | xeon-enouf | getenet passwd |
| 15:45.11 | mederEsite | so its checking /.ssh and not /home/meder.ssh ? |
| 15:45.15 | mederEsite | and that's why? |
| 15:45.34 | xeon-enouf | yeah, you shoudl have /home/username/ there |
| 15:45.46 | xeon-enouf | 534? |
| 15:45.56 | xeon-enouf | you're not even on debian, heh |
| 15:46.54 | mederEsite | i am locally |
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| 15:47.04 | mederEsite | and the rest of my servers are debian |
| 15:47.17 | xeon-enouf | (just to correct myself, i meant getent passwd | grep name) |
| 15:47.34 | xeon-enouf | what idiot made 534 a username? |
| 15:47.49 | mederEsite | i think it's a custom script lol. |
| 15:47.51 | xeon-enouf | er uid actually :-p |
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| 15:47.58 | xeon-enouf | !groups |
| 15:47.58 | dpkg | groups is, like, file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 15:47.58 | mederEsite | apparently they didnt know about useradd or the other command |
| 15:48.03 | Titan8990 | by default. debian and most distros start user accnts at 1000 |
| 15:48.12 | Titan8990 | mederEsite, adduser is the debian way |
| 15:48.19 | mederEsite | ah |
| 15:48.21 | Titan8990 | useradd for most other distros |
| 15:48.35 | xeon-enouf | man useradd Titan8990 |
| 15:48.53 | Titan8990 | i know... it says debian admins should use adduser |
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| 15:49.24 | Titan8990 | "useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead." |
| 15:49.25 | xeon-enouf | uff, i meant man adduser |
| 15:49.28 | xeon-enouf | They are friendlier front ends to the low level tools like useradd, groupadd |
| 15:49.49 | xeon-enouf | besides, i like having a /etc/default/useradd :-p |
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| 15:50.06 | xeon-enouf | shuts up now |
| 15:50.37 | Titan8990 | i don't like useradd... everytime i use i have to reference the man page to see if I want -G or -g |
| 15:50.58 | Titan8990 | never seem to remember |
| 15:51.04 | mederEsite | heh |
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| 15:51.33 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: usually have to remember the -a prior to the -G list |
| 15:51.45 | Titan8990 | hehe, that I have down |
| 15:51.48 | xeon-enouf | so i use gpasswd -a instead :-p |
| 15:51.56 | mederEsite | the ssh authenticating thing is killing me atm onl because i do a lot of vcs command line with ssh/git |
| 15:52.02 | mederEsite | so i have to type in pass for every single godamn command |
| 15:52.04 | mederEsite | roflmao |
| 15:52.22 | finley | xeon-enouf: in this case, I think it's a "pure virtual" package |
| 15:52.23 | mederEsite | previously i was using a gui that cached my pass |
| 15:52.59 | finley | as in, there is no real package name for it. but, it is referenced as a "provides" by multiple other packages. |
| 15:53.25 | jelly | as opposed to fake virtual? |
| 15:53.49 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: the kerberos stuff is all commented out in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config - also what does 'stat /tmp' say for perms on each? 1777? and .. it's not ro, or noexec, is it? check /etc/fstab and cat /proc/mounts |
| 15:54.00 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: i was able to replicate my issue on my custom server |
| 15:54.09 | finley | as opposed to "single virtual" or "mixed virtual" |
| 15:54.09 | mederEsite | i reset my users directory to '/' in /etc/passwd |
| 15:54.21 | mederEsite | and tried the authentication where it worked before |
| 15:54.26 | mederEsite | now it doesnt, so that HAS to be it |
| 15:54.29 | xeon-enouf | jelly: mutt virtual would be the inverse :-p |
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| 15:54.53 | xeon-enouf | finley: interesting |
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| 15:56.38 | jelly | w00f, a virtual mutt |
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| 15:59.32 | cire | I want to split an avi-File (1400 MB) into two parts, burn them on cd and view them via hw-dvd-player. How would you split the video in a way, so that all headers remain and they work with the dvd player? |
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| 16:00.31 | ginx | cire: there's a good page I have bookmarked, but unfortunately I'm not on my usual computer |
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| 16:00.43 | ginx | cire: try searching for: linux convert pal dvd ffmpeg |
| 16:00.46 | ginx | you'll probably find it |
| 16:00.52 | ginx | it's got an ugly peach/tan background |
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| 16:01.25 | ginx | or maybe: linux convert pal ntsc dvd ffmpeg (added 'ntsc') |
| 16:01.30 | cire | okay, I'll search for it., thanks ginx |
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| 16:01.51 | valdyn | !avidemux |
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| 16:02.07 | valdyn | avidemux can do it, handbrake maybe too |
| 16:02.14 | ginx | cire: yeah that second one I gave you will give you the first result being the page I meant :) |
| 16:02.19 | xeon-enouf | http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/main_eng.html like that ginx ? |
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| 16:02.50 | ginx | cire: http://www.cromwell-intl.com/technical/pal-to-ntsc.html it's from the POV of wanting to convert PAL to NTSC, but covers what you want |
| 16:02.59 | xeon-enouf | or like this? http://www.serice.net/shunt/ |
| 16:03.09 | ginx | it's that one I linked |
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| 16:03.35 | xeon-enouf | where was PAL or NTSC mentioned in their query? |
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| 16:04.00 | ginx | nowhere, I just explained that |
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| 16:04.43 | allfro | hi guys |
| 16:04.49 | cire | ginx: I want to split an avi into two parts... Cannot find the info on the page you linked... |
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| 16:05.12 | ginx | cire: oh, you should be able to just use 'split' on the MPEG you generate for the DVD |
| 16:05.17 | ginx | MPEG is fancy like that |
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| 16:05.34 | allfro | i have a python package that i wrote a long time ago that uses headers from netinet/in.h and i tried compiling it today on etch and noticed that in.h no longer defines IPPROTO_IPV4. is there a package i need to install to get the full blown in.h? |
| 16:05.34 | Brack10 | Hi |
| 16:05.38 | ginx | otherwise you can use -ss and/or -t with ffmpeg |
| 16:05.50 | ginx | or something similar with mencoder, I'm sure |
| 16:06.05 | ginx | hi Brack10 |
| 16:06.07 | Brack10 | What's the "best practices" way of preventing GDM from starting during init? |
| 16:06.16 | xeon-enouf | !nodm |
| 16:06.17 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 16:07.29 | Brack10 | I wuv you guyz |
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| 16:08.32 | allfro | is there a specific package for raw headers? |
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| 16:08.39 | allfro | s/raw/raw socket/ |
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| 16:08.55 | Brack10 | I just asked because the reference manual told me not to mess with my rc.d's unless I knew better than the maintainer |
| 16:09.08 | mentor | allfro: liic6-dev? |
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| 16:10.05 | allfro | yeah i have that installed but there are things still missing |
| 16:10.10 | allfro | like IPPROTO_IPV4 macro |
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| 16:11.17 | xeon-enouf | Brack10: update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d are commands/binaries that yes, you should undertsnad what they do before messing - but, /msg dpkg rcconf (follow URLs) and the reference likely refers to the various runlevel symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/* directories |
| 16:11.39 | valdyn | allfro: part of which standard is that supposed to be? |
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| 16:11.48 | xeon-enouf | Brack10: /msg dpkg runlevels and read comments in /etc/inittab |
| 16:11.54 | valdyn | allfro: i certainly cant see that in the unix spec |
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| 16:12.59 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: ah i missed your 'getent' response - is this a way to modify my own user or something? |
| 16:13.02 | allfro | valdyn: BSD has it:/ what is the equivalent in debian? |
| 16:13.05 | xeon-enouf | is /etc/rc{S,[0-6]}.d/ written properly? or ... |
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| 16:13.40 | mederEsite | xeon-enouf: oh, it just grabs the line |
| 16:13.40 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: it's just a way to overcome vvarious other Auth methods when looking for info in passwd/group file |
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| 16:14.23 | xeon-enouf | mederEsite: libc6: /usr/share/man/man1/getent.1.gz |
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| 16:15.37 | xeon-enouf | $ ls /etc/rc{S,[0-6]}.d/ looks ok here ;-) |
| 16:15.48 | allfro | it could be called IPPROTO_IP4 |
| 16:15.53 | allfro | in older systems |
| 16:15.57 | starenka | hi all, how can i change login message on the system? i've found /etc/motd - but it has date generated on the 1st line - it seemsthis file is generated somehow - do i just change the text insdide or is themessege set somewhere else? thx |
| 16:16.00 | allfro | but even that i dont see in any headers |
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| 16:16.26 | ginx | starenka: /etc/issue ? |
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| 16:16.32 | starenka | apologies for typos (bad kb) |
| 16:16.50 | starenka | ginx: thanks |
| 16:17.00 | valdyn | allfro: because it is not in debian headers |
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| 16:17.13 | xeon-enouf | starenka: for no message see man bash, hushlogin, and to append, see /etc/motd.tail |
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| 16:18.06 | starenka | xeon-enouf: well i want someother message not "null". thanks for tips! |
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| 16:18.09 | allfro | valdyn: ok. but is there something equivalent? |
| 16:18.27 | valdyn | allfro: just read the header |
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| 16:19.11 | starenka | xeon-enouf: mod.tail FTW. thank you for your time. have a nice weekend all! |
| 16:19.34 | xeon-enouf | bah - man login starenka for .hushlogin info |
| 16:19.41 | allfro | valdyn: i did and i see IPPROTO_IPV6 but no IPPROTO_IPV4 what's the deal with that? |
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| 16:20.48 | valdyn | allfro: theres no icmp4 or tcp4 or udp4 either, duh |
| 16:20.51 | allfro | it's even under well-defined protocols... lol. IPV4 is not well-defined? |
| 16:21.06 | valdyn | allfro: thats hardly a surprise |
| 16:21.07 | allfro | so you're telling me that debian does not support the IPV4 series of protocols? |
| 16:21.28 | valdyn | allfro: no |
| 16:21.32 | allfro | everything in this world is IPV4. how is it hardly a surprise? |
| 16:21.43 | valdyn | allfro: the naming is hardly a surprisee |
| 16:22.32 | yareckon | have a nice weekend people... |
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| 16:24.46 | xreal | can I set my own time in a vserver using ntp ? |
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| 16:35.03 | Lirezh | Anyone knows about a limit on the number of IPs I can add on my system ? |
| 16:35.07 | Lirezh | I have a problem that it ignores new added IPs |
| 16:35.11 | Lirezh | (no arp responses) |
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| 16:38.24 | xreal | what's a fast way to close a port on debian? |
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| 16:38.35 | Lirezh | Hi |
| 16:38.36 | xreal | for non-local access |
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| 16:38.47 | xreal | this one? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 4723 -j DROP |
| 16:38.57 | Lirezh | I've a problem that my server stopped accepting new IPs I am adding. It does not answer on the ARP queries (easy to see in a tcpdump) |
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| 16:39.08 | Lirezh | < a bit clueless what the problem might be |
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| 16:39.19 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: which debian release? did it ever work? |
| 16:39.52 | jelly | Lirezh: how many are you using at present? |
| 16:39.57 | jelly | Lirezh: I have a machine with ~250 local ipv4 addresses. |
| 16:39.59 | Lirezh | I've been using 508 until recent, now i am using about 1000 |
| 16:40.01 | Krauser | hi i need to setup a crontab every 10 minutes php -q /var/www/panel/cron.php i have opened /etc/crontab what to type in it ? |
| 16:40.06 | Lirezh | all those new IPs are not reachable due to the problem |
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| 16:40.31 | jelly | Lirezh: all on the same iface? |
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| 16:40.34 | Lirezh | yes |
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| 16:40.50 | jelly | added with ip (iproute2)? |
| 16:40.56 | Lirezh | added with ifconfig |
| 16:41.08 | Lirezh | but "ip addr show" shows them as well |
| 16:41.10 | jelly | oh, so aliases then |
| 16:41.19 | jelly | I'd get rid of those and use ip |
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| 16:41.30 | harrachi | xeon-enouf lenny, yes it used to word until this morning |
| 16:41.40 | Lirezh | Where is the difference ? Stupid question I guess, but I've used ifconfig for all the time yet ;) |
| 16:42.01 | jelly | aliases are a bit outdated way to do it |
| 16:42.04 | xeon-enouf | have you upgraded or altered anything recently harrachi |
| 16:42.06 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 16:42.22 | jelly | Lirezh: it's just that Debian hasn't caught up with Linux 2.4 features |
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| 16:42.28 | xeon-enouf | hehe |
| 16:42.29 | Lirezh | how does ip do it different ? |
| 16:42.30 | harrachi | xeon-enouf nooo !!: ( |
| 16:42.44 | jelly | Lirezh: it doesn't make aliases, for one thing |
| 16:42.55 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: maybe /msg dpkg forcefsk - but first answer, any LVM or RAID or CRYPTO? |
| 16:43.04 | halflife08 | hello folks how do i execute a php script passing the GET values like php foobar.php?test=foo |
| 16:43.11 | halflife08 | at the command line |
| 16:43.14 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: maybe /msg dpkg forcefsck <-corrected |
| 16:43.21 | harrachi | yes crypto, lvm |
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| 16:43.28 | halflife08 | opps wrong channel |
| 16:43.30 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: well .. |
| 16:44.17 | Lirezh | Is there a superior way to add a class c completely using "ip" ? |
| 16:44.17 | Lirezh | Just digging through the doc |
| 16:44.17 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: take a look also at /msg dpkg rescue mode ; see follow up <factoid> for crypto/lvm stuffs |
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| 16:44.51 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: did you have a power outage or spike or brownout? |
| 16:44.53 | petern_ | You mean add each individual IP? |
| 16:45.18 | jelly | Lirezh: I just use a for loop. |
| 16:45.21 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: also - consider a hardware issue, RAM or failing HDD, etc ... possibly |
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| 16:46.34 | harrachi | xeon-enouf maybé yes , cause it says no enough space for writing things, but when the ram, hd space checked it gave the right ansewrs |
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| 16:46.36 | Lirezh | yes petern |
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| 16:46.47 | Lirezh | I thought maybe it has an iption to just tell it "listen on all /24" |
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| 16:47.13 | xreal | can I use this to block port 389 from external access? iptables -A INPUT -s ! 127.0.0.1 -p tcp --dport 389 -j DROP |
| 16:47.32 | jelly | Lirezh: do you really want to listen on all, including the router ip? |
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| 16:47.57 | Lirezh | yea I have the whole subnet routed to my box |
| 16:47.58 | jair | guys I am trying to check if anyone here is very familiar with XFS file system. I noticed that the way XFS handle the files is creating extends and they normally get fragmented |
| 16:48.07 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: boot a livecd. see what your HDD space is |
| 16:48.13 | catsup | xreal: looks good |
| 16:48.17 | xreal | catsup: thx |
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| 16:49.12 | Krauser_ | hi is this in /etc/crontab ok --> */10 * * * * root php -q /var/www/panel/cron.php |
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| 16:50.27 | jair | I also found that XFS have some tools like xfs_db and xfs_fsr |
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| 16:51.42 | Lirezh | it looks like the problem really is a part of ifconfig, i can see all IPs using "ifconfig" but when i try to access a specific one it does not work |
| 16:51.56 | harrachi | xeon-enouf i'l try thanX |
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| 16:53.23 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: when one creates an ext3 FS, there's 5% of space for REserved root (root user) blocks, 'tune2fs -l /dev/name' will show this |
| 16:54.20 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: so, if you need more space, and you haven't used it all, within your VG/LV (LVM) then just grow it ;-) |
| 16:54.31 | rdz | the /etc/hostname file: can you put 'host.domain.org' or should it only be 'host'? |
| 16:54.39 | xeon-enouf | !hostname |
| 16:54.39 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 16:54.57 | xeon-enouf | rdz: it can be the former, is fine |
| 16:55.07 | rdz | xeon-enouf, many thanks |
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| 16:55.44 | xeon-enouf | Lirezh: maybe ls /sys/class/net might help (haven't been following closely) |
| 16:55.47 | jair | does anyone use XFS here? |
| 16:56.03 | xeon-enouf | !anyone use XFS |
| 16:56.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses XFS, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:56.11 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
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| 16:56.30 | jair | xeon-enouf: funny intel lover :P |
| 16:56.53 | xeon-enouf | hey! i own an amd64 CPU too! |
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| 16:57.10 | jair | good |
| 16:57.15 | xeon-enouf | (just this box has 2 CPUs :-p) |
| 16:57.23 | jair | good |
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| 16:57.41 | xeon-enouf | jair: are you going to ask your _real_ question or what? |
| 16:57.49 | mesa_booger | so is it a dual-core xeon then, by any chance ? |
| 16:58.30 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: nope - old p4, MP system; http://pompone.cs.ucsb.edu/admin/530_Workstation/index.htm |
| 16:59.04 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: 1.7G w/RDRAM x2 cpu @ 1.7G each |
| 16:59.22 | xeon-enouf | silly 100MHz FSB, just like my pII :-P |
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| 16:59.58 | harrachi | xeon-enouf beginners kst; how can i grow it? |
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| 17:00.17 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: wait .. i think i have something of interest ... look |
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| 17:03.06 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: what is kst? |
| 17:03.33 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: learn LVM, dpkg -L lvm2 |
| 17:03.39 | xeon-enouf | see docs |
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| 17:04.10 | Titan8990_ | harrachi, there is some really nice info the the gentoo lvm2 manual that will also apply to debian |
| 17:04.12 | xeon-enouf | harrachi: does kst == question? |
| 17:04.59 | harrachi | xeon-enouf kst=question ; yes, french habits |
| 17:05.51 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 17:06.37 | harrachi | xeon-enouf thanX |
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| 17:15.13 | Delf | Where do i go to see the network adapters? |
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| 17:15.43 | pistache | Oh. |
| 17:15.52 | pistache | I got really weird behavior there. |
| 17:15.57 | pistache | df returns : |
| 17:16.01 | pistache | /dev/hda1 2064208 592692 1366660 31% / |
| 17:16.07 | pistache | marathonas:/dev# file /dev/hda1 |
| 17:16.07 | pistache | /dev/hda1: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/hda1' (No such file or directory) |
| 17:16.10 | rufus | hello all. ive done it before with gparted gui but having some doubts doing this on text only....im trying to dual boot debian and xp on my netbook |
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| 17:16.14 | pistache | What the heck is that ? |
| 17:16.23 | rufus | what is the bes way to set up the partitions |
| 17:16.31 | rufus | and the also i need a swap |
| 17:16.48 | xeon-enouf | best way? |
| 17:16.52 | rufus | yeah |
| 17:16.54 | rufus | sorry |
| 17:16.57 | Delf | pistache: glitch in the cable? |
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| 17:17.04 | rufus | ummm lets see i have a 160 gig hard drive |
| 17:17.05 | xeon-enouf | however you like |
| 17:17.13 | xeon-enouf | !partitions |
| 17:17.13 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 17:17.19 | pistache | Delf: what do you mean ? |
| 17:17.34 | xeon-enouf | pistache: sudo/root and use -s |
| 17:17.40 | pistache | I am root |
| 17:17.45 | rufus | yeah i wanted to have maybe 50 for xp 50 for linux and the resst i guess for data |
| 17:17.53 | pistache | xeon-enouf: -s for what ? |
| 17:17.54 | pistache | ls -l ? |
| 17:17.56 | pistache | ls -s ? |
| 17:18.00 | xeon-enouf | man file |
| 17:18.06 | mns | I'm trying to figure out which version of xorg does libxau6 belong to. how do I go about doing that ? |
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| 17:18.15 | Delf | pistache: Maybe the hard drive just restarted due to glitch in the power cable or something. I don't know. |
| 17:18.21 | rufus | yeah i know how to do it when installing ubuntu gparted comes up and theres a nice gui |
| 17:18.25 | Tired | no I'm the root! |
| 17:18.28 | rufus | but im not as confident doing it text only |
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| 17:18.47 | pistache | Delf: this is my ROOT hard disk drive |
| 17:19.07 | xeon-enouf | pistache: 'whoami' says? |
| 17:19.33 | xeon-enouf | are you booted into your installation? or LiveCD pistache |
| 17:19.40 | xreal | How can I add a secondary root-user? useradd -u 0 -o -g 0 -d /root/test -m test ? |
| 17:19.57 | pistache | xeon-enouf: |
| 17:19.58 | pistache | marathonas:/dev# whoami |
| 17:19.58 | pistache | root |
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| 17:20.05 | xeon-enouf | xreal: no secondary roots allowed - /msg dpkg sudo |
| 17:20.10 | pistache | xeon-enouf: no livecd, it's deboostrapped debian |
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| 17:20.26 | xeon-enouf | pistache: going to ever try -s? |
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| 17:20.47 | xreal | xeon-enouf: I can't my SFTP-3 client anymore because I don't have root access ;-) |
| 17:20.53 | pistache | xeon-enouf: file -s /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:21.07 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 17:21.37 | pistache | xeon-enouf: |
| 17:21.38 | pistache | marathonas:/dev# file -s /dev/hda1 |
| 17:21.39 | pistache | /dev/hda1: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/hda1' (No such file or directory) |
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| 17:21.54 | xeon-enouf | pistache: oh well |
| 17:22.08 | Tired | actually, is there something like "ionice" like "nice" but prevents lockups due to blocking of all IO by a process? |
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| 17:22.28 | Hydroxide | Tired: ionice does exist |
| 17:22.31 | Tired | probably not... can always be swapping |
| 17:22.34 | xeon-enouf | pistache: cat /proc/mounts | grep hda1 |
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| 17:22.42 | Tired | Hydroxide, doh, you're right |
| 17:22.57 | xeon-enouf | ~uuuovc me |
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| 17:23.06 | xeon-enouf | ~uuoc me |
| 17:23.21 | xeon-enouf | ~you suck apt |
| 17:23.47 | xeon-enouf | Hydroxide: ionice does exist |
| 17:23.47 | ragnar | hi, can someone please help me with updating a module in debian-lenny kernel, 2.6.26-2-686? |
| 17:23.51 | Tired | Hydroxide, wow, that's cool, I never knew |
| 17:24.03 | xeon-enouf | !judd versions ionice |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | xeon-enouf, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 17:24.13 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 17:24.16 | xeon-enouf | judd versions ionice |
| 17:24.17 | judd | xeon-enouf: ionice -- |
| 17:24.24 | xeon-enouf | it's part of NICE! |
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| 17:24.32 | xeon-enouf | judd versions iotop |
| 17:24.33 | judd | xeon-enouf: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 squeeze: 0.3.1-1 sid: 0.3.2-1 |
| 17:24.41 | Tired | so how would you use it together with nice... "nice -12 ionice -c3 make"? |
| 17:24.57 | pistache | xeon-enouf: returns nothing |
| 17:25.01 | Tired | guess that works |
| 17:25.04 | Hydroxide | cool |
| 17:25.15 | pistache | xeon-enouf: but I got |
| 17:25.15 | xeon-enouf | pistache: then df is FUBAR |
| 17:25.17 | pistache | /dev/root / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 17:25.27 | pistache | and file /dev/root fails too |
| 17:25.30 | Delf | How do I bridge network adapters? |
| 17:25.35 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.38 | xeon-enouf | wtf/ |
| 17:25.44 | xeon-enouf | use Debian |
| 17:25.49 | xeon-enouf | or go away |
| 17:25.49 | pistache | I do use Debian. |
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| 17:26.20 | xeon-enouf | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 17:26.26 | xeon-enouf | no you don't |
| 17:26.31 | pistache | well. |
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| 17:26.32 | Tired | yay, yay... I always was annoyed by the lockups I get from compiling |
| 17:26.39 | pistache | debootstrap lenny /marathonas |
| 17:26.42 | Tired | lets see if ionice -c3 prevents them |
| 17:26.43 | pistache | will this install ubuntu ? |
| 17:26.45 | xeon-enouf | /dev/hda2 / reiserfs rw,relatime,notail,data=journal 0 0 |
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| 17:27.21 | pistache | got this in my fstab : |
| 17:27.22 | pistache | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 17:27.30 | xeon-enouf | pistache: and it'll install j0'm0mma as well onto my ______ ;-) |
| 17:27.48 | pistache | xeon-enouf: maybe but this does not solve my problem ;) |
| 17:27.51 | xeon-enouf | fstab doesn't matter now |
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| 17:28.05 | xeon-enouf | well stop - use Debian |
| 17:28.18 | pistache | really, it's debootstrapped debian xeon-enouf |
| 17:28.44 | xeon-enouf | haveyou rebooted into it yet? you seem still chroot'd |
| 17:28.45 | pistache | marathonas:/etc# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:28.45 | pistache | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 17:28.54 | pistache | no i'm not chrooted |
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| 17:29.09 | ragnar | hi |
| 17:29.15 | xeon-enouf | then make /etc/fstab correct and install grub and boot it! |
| 17:29.30 | xeon-enouf | have you seen the IG? |
| 17:29.31 | pistache | isn't my fstab correct ? |
| 17:29.32 | xeon-enouf | !ig |
| 17:29.33 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 17:30.48 | Tired | pistache, and where is that /dev/root then if you have /dev/hda1 in your fstab? |
| 17:31.07 | xeon-enouf | pistache: right |
| 17:31.30 | xeon-enouf | you have two / FS's mounted == no bueno |
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| 17:31.52 | pistache | Tired: in /proc/mounts |
| 17:31.58 | void_pointer | two root directories .. hot |
| 17:32.02 | pistache | xeon-enouf: maybe. but I asked only one fs. |
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| 17:32.49 | xeon-enouf | you overmounted |
| 17:33.00 | xeon-enouf | mounts someone |
| 17:33.02 | xreal | What's the best way to create a user, which is allowed to read apache-logs? Do I need to grant the user access to this directory? |
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| 17:33.23 | xeon-enouf | xreal: likely add them to 'adm' group |
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| 17:33.45 | xeon-enouf | xreal: /msg dpkg groups ; gpasswd -a username group |
| 17:33.48 | keyhack | Is there a good way to assign an entire subnet's IP space as an alias to eth0, instead of using a bash script to loop and do 'ip addr alias 10.132.$A.$B/14 dev eth0" ? |
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| 17:34.07 | pistache | xeon-enouf: i tried going down to init1, problem is same |
| 17:34.34 | xeon-enouf | pistache: init1 isn't booting into a debootstrap installation |
| 17:34.35 | pistache | dmesg looks clear |
| 17:34.44 | pistache | ??? |
| 17:34.46 | pistache | Well. |
| 17:34.54 | pistache | it did. |
| 17:34.58 | xeon-enouf | nope |
| 17:35.18 | pistache | marathonas:/dev# init 1 |
| 17:35.18 | pistache | INIT: Switching to runlevel: 1 |
| 17:35.20 | JyZyXEL | how do you disable logging? |
| 17:35.24 | JyZyXEL | like all logging |
| 17:35.24 | pistache | [stuff] |
| 17:35.28 | pistache | Give root password for maintenance |
| 17:35.28 | pistache | (or type Control-D to continue): |
| 17:35.40 | JyZyXEL | maybe make /var/log unwritable? |
| 17:35.52 | fredl | meh, make-kpkg rebuild the kernel no matter if you made bzImage modules before. |
| 17:35.53 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: see /etc/syslog.conf or sysctl.conf |
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| 17:36.08 | xeon-enouf | fredl: why wouldn't it? |
| 17:36.18 | fredl | because it's already built? |
| 17:36.20 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: printk options |
| 17:36.27 | xeon-enouf | fredl: and it sucks? |
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| 17:36.36 | fredl | no you suck. |
| 17:36.55 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: see kernel-parameters.txt and man {r}syslog |
| 17:37.04 | pistache | :( |
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| 17:37.34 | fredl | what's the problem pistache? |
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| 17:37.40 | xeon-enouf | fredl: make-kpkg builds a kernd pkgs it as aninstallable .deb |
| 17:37.42 | fredl | sorry for just dropping in like that. |
| 17:37.47 | pistache | fredl: simple |
| 17:37.51 | pistache | marathonas:~# cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:37.53 | pistache | /dev/root / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 17:37.54 | xeon-enouf | piece of cake |
| 17:37.56 | pistache | marathonas:~# file /dev/root |
| 17:37.56 | pistache | /dev/root: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/root' (No such file or directory) |
| 17:38.13 | pistache | Got no devices that looks like my hard disk in /dev |
| 17:38.21 | Titan8990 | fdisk -l |
| 17:38.24 | pistache | But system is running o_o |
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| 17:38.29 | mesa_booger | blkid |
| 17:38.30 | fredl | oh. I have /dev/root, it's a symlink to /dev/dm-0 |
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| 17:38.33 | pistache | marathonas:~# fdisk -l |
| 17:38.33 | pistache | marathonas:~# |
| 17:38.34 | Titan8990 | cat /etc/mtab |
| 17:38.36 | fredl | you want mine? |
| 17:38.42 | void_pointer | air disk. Unusual, but getting more popular |
| 17:38.47 | pistache | marathonas:~# cat /etc/mtab |
| 17:38.47 | pistache | /dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
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| 17:38.57 | pistache | [tmpfs,proc,sys,tmpfs,devpts] |
| 17:39.08 | pistache | /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 17:39.15 | fredl | aha. |
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| 17:39.27 | fredl | so /dev/hda1 must exist only in your initrd then. |
| 17:39.40 | fredl | still strange. |
| 17:39.40 | fignewman | I'm playing with the Aptitude:UI:Package-Display-Format setting and I'm curious if there's any way to make an "expandable" field NOT be expandable. I want to limit how wide the package name is, but %p is expandable. |
| 17:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, doesn't do much if the machine starts swapping, though |
| 17:40.04 | pistache | fredl: got no initrd |
| 17:40.06 | pistache | ... |
| 17:40.17 | fredl | uhhh... |
| 17:40.23 | fredl | mmm'kay |
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| 17:40.34 | fredl | and xeon-enouf can't help you? |
| 17:40.34 | pistache | But by the way, i'm using custom kernel. |
| 17:40.41 | pistache | i install stock and i reboot ;) |
| 17:41.09 | fredl | well did you try what Titan8990 said, blkid ? |
| 17:41.31 | pistache | blkid returns nothing |
| 17:41.37 | fredl | really... |
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| 17:41.45 | fredl | is it an IDE disk? |
| 17:41.53 | xeon-enouf | !debirf |
| 17:41.55 | fredl | does any /dev/hda* exist? |
| 17:42.02 | xeon-enouf | waves at adb |
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| 17:42.12 | pistache | fredl: no /dev/hda* exists, no /dev/sda |
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| 17:42.58 | fredl | does /proc/ide exist? |
| 17:43.10 | pistache | yeah |
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| 17:43.16 | murdoc-is-god | I just used mdadm to create software RAID-5... can I just use the raw sda, sdb, sdd, sdc, sde, & sdf block device files without first creating partitions on them? |
| 17:43.20 | xeon-enouf | fredl: stop, s/he obviously has no idea what they're doing - and insist on trying just to mess it all up - i do it all the time inadvertantly, but .. i don't come into channel and whine |
| 17:43.35 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.46 | fredl | xeon-enouf, uhuh gotcha. |
| 17:43.49 | pistache | fredl: no, just drivers, which contains ide-gd version 1.18 |
| 17:43.58 | fredl | pistache, is this the first time you install linux? |
| 17:44.03 | pistache | No. |
| 17:44.10 | pistache | This my 16th Debian installation. |
| 17:44.16 | pistache | I tried everything before coming here. |
| 17:44.23 | fredl | hmm... |
| 17:44.25 | pistache | But well. |
| 17:44.33 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: i don't think so - not sure - grub1 has an issue using RAW disks -- with LiLo, yes |
| 17:44.39 | fredl | scratches his head |
| 17:44.39 | xeon-enouf | grub2 is different |
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| 17:44.57 | fredl | xeon-enouf, he tried 16 times. |
| 17:45.06 | fredl | pistache, you had the same results every time? |
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| 17:45.28 | xeon-enouf | fredl: 42 is the magic number |
| 17:45.31 | xeon-enouf | !42 |
| 17:45.31 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 17:45.32 | murdoc-is-god | md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdf[6](S) sde[4] sdd[3] sdc[2] sdb[1] sda[0] |
| 17:45.32 | murdoc-is-god | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.39 | fredl | wait pistache, did you just install it? |
| 17:45.52 | fredl | or have you been messing around on it for a while? |
| 17:45.54 | murdoc-is-god | xeon-enouf: Not sure what the (S) means next to sdf, and it looks like one drive dropped out?!? |
| 17:46.04 | pistache | fredl: i messed around on it for a while. |
| 17:46.10 | pistache | but i never realized i had no root device |
| 17:46.23 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: i forget - see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 17:46.23 | pistache | that's why I'm gonna re debootsrap it. |
| 17:46.25 | fredl | the debian installer keeps a log right? |
| 17:46.32 | xeon-enouf | ofcourse |
| 17:46.50 | xeon-enouf | in /var/log/installer/ IIRC |
| 17:46.50 | pistache | fredl: it's debootstrapped |
| 17:46.50 | pistache | Does debootsrap put a log on the target system ? |
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| 17:47.04 | xeon-enouf | yes, IIRC |
| 17:47.04 | pistache | I got no such file xeon-enouf |
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| 17:47.14 | xeon-enouf | i've on;yly went through it once |
| 17:47.17 | fredl | no /var/log/installer ?? |
| 17:47.17 | pistache | But. |
| 17:47.30 | fredl | pistache, are you sure this is a Debian install you're talking about? |
| 17:47.30 | pistache | I got /var/log/bootstrap.log |
| 17:47.36 | void_pointer | everyone has a /var/log/installer |
| 17:47.36 | pistache | fredl: yes i'm sure. |
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| 17:47.47 | fredl | has a /var/log/installer |
| 17:48.10 | pistache | i got /var/log/installer on my laptop |
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| 17:48.14 | pistache | no on this server. |
| 17:48.20 | xeon-enouf | must be on $HOST for debootstrap |
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| 17:48.43 | fredl | so.. you know for a fact that it's an IDE disk in there? |
| 17:48.54 | pistache | no i don't |
| 17:48.57 | pistache | I'm gonna check. |
| 17:49.00 | xeon-enouf | 0$ ll /var/log/bootstrap.log |
| 17:49.00 | xeon-enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1604396 2001-08-03 02:41 /var/log/bootstrap.log |
| 17:49.09 | fredl | BTW /var/log/bootstrap.log is a Debian logfile I think. |
| 17:49.09 | xeon-enouf | from a ssh debootstrap |
| 17:49.11 | fredl | ehr |
| 17:49.18 | fredl | Ubuntu |
| 17:49.22 | deever | (how) can i have dpkg install dependencies? |
| 17:49.22 | pistache | i'm coming back in 5' |
| 17:49.23 | xeon-enouf | O M G! |
| 17:49.39 | xeon-enouf | deever: you don't ; you apt-get install -f |
| 17:50.27 | fredl | does Debian make a /var/log/bootstrap.log for any package? |
| 17:50.35 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 17:50.41 | xeon-enouf | it's a debootstrap file |
| 17:50.44 | fredl | that's what I thought... |
| 17:50.50 | xeon-enouf | !bootlogd |
| 17:50.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 17:51.25 | fredl | ah. Never used debootstrap |
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| 17:52.26 | fredl | isn't that part of the installer? |
| 17:52.26 | xeon-enouf | fredl: you might want /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:52.32 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 17:52.36 | poisonbit | !versions fwbuilder |
| 17:52.42 | poisonbit | @versions fwbuilder |
| 17:52.51 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions fwbuilder |
| 17:52.52 | judd | xeon-enouf: fwbuilder -- etch: 2.0.9-1.2 lenny: 2.1.19-6 squeeze: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.7-1 |
| 17:52.56 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 17:53.00 | poisonbit | thanks |
| 17:53.22 | xeon-enouf | fredl: the installer uses customized .udebs |
| 17:53.32 | fredl | I see. |
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| 17:53.48 | fredl | just reading up on it on debian-administration.org |
| 17:54.02 | xeon-enouf | fredl: the installer is a separate, very elite entity ;-) |
| 17:54.17 | fredl | he hasn't been trying to debootstrap it 16 times has he? |
| 17:54.31 | xeon-enouf | well, as much as any other debian-X is |
| 17:54.54 | xeon-enouf | fredl: who knows, he's cookoo to me |
| 17:54.55 | fredl | one finds the most insistent people on here sometimes. |
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| 17:55.13 | fredl | why's that? I don't think he's lying and it's just weird what he says. |
| 17:55.37 | xeon-enouf | fredl: not being forthcoming with info -- i.e. custom kernel |
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| 17:55.44 | Marctew | can both linux partitions be installed on logical partitions or do they have to b primary? |
| 17:55.49 | fredl | ah. |
| 17:55.53 | xeon-enouf | not rebooting into the debootstrap install |
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| 17:56.07 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: they can be whatever you want |
| 17:56.12 | xeon-enouf | er Marctew |
| 17:56.12 | fredl | maybe he's trying to install a supersecret new DARPA computer. |
| 17:56.14 | fredl | :P |
| 17:56.35 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: linux doesn't even need the ActiveBoot/Bootflag set |
| 17:56.38 | xreal | chown doesn't change all the files and subdirectories ... why? ;-( |
| 17:56.40 | xeon-enouf | crap! |
| 17:56.44 | fredl | wheeeee dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.31' in `../linux-image-2.6.31_kvmkgit1.0_amd64.deb' |
| 17:56.47 | xeon-enouf | Marctew: |
| 17:56.48 | fredl | I rock. |
| 17:56.59 | xeon-enouf | Marctew: linux doesn't even need the ActiveBoot/Bootflag set |
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| 17:57.34 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i work through my issues too - it's nice to see others do so too |
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| 17:58.01 | xeon-enouf | sometimes i have no idea how i do it, but i 'get 'er done' ;-) |
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| 17:58.13 | fredl | well I try to, others are sometimes a bit more clueless. sometimes it's hard to get started with something. |
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| 17:58.15 | xeon-enouf | it's really hard to teach someone that |
| 17:58.48 | fredl | teaching is hard :-) |
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| 17:59.10 | xeon-enouf | !be a enouf barbie |
| 17:59.10 | dpkg | Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, xeon-enouf |
| 17:59.15 | fredl | now.... rebootez and try and recompile the fglrx driver *again* but for 2.6.31 :P |
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| 17:59.33 | fredl | enouf is hard? TMI dude |
| 17:59.34 | xeon-enouf | let's not., and say we did |
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| 17:59.56 | fredl | I know debian talk can get exciting sometimes. |
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| 18:00.56 | fredl | laterz |
| 18:01.03 | xeon-enouf | fredl: i want to refer to you as franzl, can i? :-P |
| 18:01.25 | Misterjors | hey! i want to start hdparm at bootup, but it doesnt want to do that (debian lenny). I have a hdparm file in /etc/init.d do i need something else? Manual startup works fine |
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| 18:01.50 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: see /etc/hdparm* |
| 18:02.05 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: and dpkg -L hdparm | grep doc |
| 18:02.40 | xeon-enouf | has found the syntax confusing, but ... |
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| 18:04.04 | xeon-enouf | bows out |
| 18:04.21 | Misterjors | ok thx xeon-enouf, i'll have a look. BTW, i have a WD 1T GreenPower who doesn't want to spindown. Can i force hdparm to do it anyway? |
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| 18:04.38 | Misterjors | command i used to test is "hdparm -S 2 /dev/sdc |
| 18:04.38 | ginx | how long has it been spinning? |
| 18:04.41 | fredl | hmm. This kernel is acting a little strange... |
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| 18:05.37 | Misterjors | oh, it has been spinning since a long time, 7000+ hours |
| 18:05.37 | tenzind | do we have wxPerl in Debian repos? |
| 18:05.51 | ginx | oh, dude I think I would've turned it off long ago |
| 18:05.55 | murdoc-is-god | So, pvcreate (having LVM2 physical volumes) don't care about using raw block device files like /dev/sdb, but mdadm does? |
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| 18:06.41 | void_pointer | spinning down might be fun lol |
| 18:06.42 | Misterjors | but it doesnt want to listen to hdparm |
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| 18:06.57 | Misterjors | kind of a stubborn disk |
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| 18:07.11 | Misterjors | even the hdparm -B command doesnt work |
| 18:07.15 | Misterjors | read/write error |
| 18:07.23 | void_pointer | hammer and large nail? |
| 18:07.27 | void_pointer | it'll stop it |
| 18:07.36 | PinkFreud | murdoc-is-god: I'd recommend using a partition on those, if only so fdisk -l will report it as a raid device |
| 18:07.43 | Misterjors | no, input/output error, i was wrong |
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| 18:08.15 | fredl | *ponder* |
| 18:08.25 | fredl | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kvm' |
| 18:08.25 | fredl | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.c', needed by `/usr/src/modules/fglrx/firegl_public.o'. Stop. |
| 18:08.47 | fredl | contemplate contemplate... |
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| 18:09.02 | smacnay | Is it possible to remove evolution from the default Debian install? I have a working install but would like evolution off the machine. |
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| 18:10.03 | fredl | now would that be caused by having a kvm git kernel.... |
| 18:10.16 | fredl | or is it caused by the fglrx source... |
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| 18:10.33 | fredl | has the end of this torment in sight |
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| 18:11.02 | ginx | sounds like you have to re-grab the fglrx stuff |
| 18:11.06 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: try sdparm |
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| 18:12.08 | PinkFreud | smacnay: (apt-get|aptitude) remove evolution |
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| 18:12.47 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html |
| 18:12.51 | pvvni | if I want to change my tty text size |
| 18:12.54 | pvvni | I know I can do setterm |
| 18:12.56 | pvvni | but how can I make it default on startup |
| 18:12.59 | fredl | strange. make clean didn't fix the fglrx kernel module dir but removign the whole dir and unpacking it again did... |
| 18:13.01 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: careful though |
| 18:13.08 | xeon-enouf | Misterjors: make backups prior |
| 18:13.14 | tenzind | do we have wxPerl in Debian repos? |
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| 18:13.26 | Misterjors | thanx xeon-enouf! |
| 18:13.28 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 18:13.34 | xeon-enouf | pvvni: grub1 or grub2? |
| 18:13.41 | rmrf | pvvni: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 18:13.43 | pvvni | xeon-enouf: 2 |
| 18:13.49 | [Elvis] | I have a question... I can do a find to find certain files...get them into a list |
| 18:13.54 | [Elvis] | how do I delete those files? |
| 18:14.04 | PinkFreud | tenzind: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:14.12 | [Elvis] | with a like rm, remove list which was found with find :p |
| 18:14.21 | xeon-enouf | pvvni: you need a gfxpayload=resolution in /boot/grub/grub.cff |
| 18:14.25 | xeon-enouf | cfg* |
| 18:14.39 | fredl | okidoki, fglrx latest compiled for kvm.git too... |
| 18:14.46 | xeon-enouf | or; set gfxterm=resoltuion |
| 18:14.50 | fredl | shoves xeon-enouf off of his chair |
| 18:14.52 | tenzind | PinkFreud, I could not find it there |
| 18:15.13 | PinkFreud | tenzind: then that would likely be your answer :) |
| 18:15.16 | tenzind | :( |
| 18:15.19 | fredl | oh shit I got a bit too confident there.... |
| 18:15.25 | fredl | [ 783.825075] fglrx: Unknown symbol find_task_by_vpid |
| 18:15.26 | xeon-enouf | must disappear |
| 18:15.41 | PinkFreud | xeon-enouf: NOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 18:15.43 | PinkFreud | I mean, oh, ok. |
| 18:15.47 | tenzind | maybe wxPerl doesnt meet the debian requirements? |
| 18:15.51 | smacnay | PinkFreud, not a chance... :) - that will remove a ton of other stuff as well (over 300 MB). |
| 18:15.54 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 18:15.57 | pvvni | xeon-enouf: gracias, but wont that just change the overall resolution and not the actual glyph package? |
| 18:16.23 | PinkFreud | smacnay: it'll remove anything that depends on evolution |
| 18:16.34 | PinkFreud | if you remove it by hand, you'll break all of that. |
| 18:16.35 | pvvni | xeon-enouf: actually I'll just read the man, I just needed to know what file to drop it into |
| 18:16.37 | rmrf | and gnome depends on that lol |
| 18:16.38 | pvvni | xeon-enouf: thanks man |
| 18:16.47 | smacnay | PinkFreud, there are a lot of things that depend on evolution... |
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| 18:17.02 | ginx | [Elvis]: for i in `cat file`; do echo "$i"; done |
| 18:17.10 | PinkFreud | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 18:17.10 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.23 | PinkFreud | I'm not sure where you're seeing 300 MB of packages, though |
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| 18:17.44 | PinkFreud | although, gnome + gnome-desktop-environment can do it |
| 18:17.46 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 18:17.53 | imacboy | hello |
| 18:18.12 | ginx | hello |
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| 18:18.15 | deever | xeon-enouf: thank you very much! :) |
| 18:18.24 | imacboy | whou are you? |
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| 18:18.55 | smacnay | PinkFreud, my list is much longer... cheese, empathy, totem, file roller, gedit, gnome screensaver, gstreamer tools, vino, vinagre, and seahorse - to name a few |
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| 18:19.29 | PinkFreud | yeah, looks like gnome depends on evolution |
| 18:19.47 | PinkFreud | if you're ok with removing the entirety of the gnome desktop, you can get rid of evolution :) |
| 18:20.06 | smacnay | PinkFreud, too bad, I like gnome but maybe can look for a nother de |
| 18:20.12 | PinkFreud | personally, I use xfce here. |
| 18:20.13 | smacnay | PinkFreud, xfce4, maybe |
| 18:20.27 | PinkFreud | why not just keep it? |
| 18:20.36 | smacnay | PinkFreud, it won't hurt to keep it |
| 18:20.39 | xreal | I've added my user to 'adm' group to read apache2 logs. But the user still can't write to var/www, since 'root' is the owner. What's the best way to allow my user writing to that directory? |
| 18:21.25 | Titan8990 | xreal, usually safe to chown -R apache:apache /var/www |
| 18:21.37 | dkr | are there any money managers that I can put transactions into categories via a pattern match? kmymoney2 is turning out to be way too tedious |
| 18:21.54 | Titan8990 | xreal, sorry... wrong distro... chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www |
| 18:22.07 | xreal | Titan: Do I need to add my user to www-data then ? |
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| 18:22.24 | Titan8990 | xreal, yes, and may need to further adjust group permissions |
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| 18:22.42 | xreal | I can understand, why Windows-users work with root all the time ;-) |
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| 18:22.56 | ginx | because they don't even know what root is, or that it exists? |
| 18:23.22 | xreal | root <=> administrator |
| 18:23.22 | dkr | there is always a trade-off between security and convenience |
| 18:23.33 | Titan8990 | well... I recieve quite frequetly "permission denied" errors as administrator on windows systems |
| 18:23.41 | ginx | xreal: they don't know what that means, either |
| 18:23.42 | Titan8990 | it gets under my skin bad..... |
| 18:24.18 | Titan8990 | just today, i didn't have permission to put a file on a users desktop... as the windows superuser.... |
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| 18:24.34 | Titan8990 | +1 for root and linux |
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| 18:25.04 | murdoc-is-god | I just created a RAID-5 array with mdadm with 6 2TB HDDs. I should therefore have 10,000GB of space. I do, but what puzzles me is that the array is degraded because one drive is made to be a spare. |
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| 18:25.23 | murdoc-is-god | I don't want a spare, I want all 6 working togather in RAID-5. How can I create an array with no spare? |
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| 18:28.08 | xreal | Titan: What permissions are good for writing to /var/www ? |
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| 18:28.25 | KaiSVK | hi all, why do I miss the menu.lst file in the /boot/grub/.. ? |
| 18:28.29 | xreal | 644 ? |
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| 18:29.40 | cahoot | KaiSVK: uograde to grub2? |
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| 18:29.58 | cahoot | s/uograde/upgraded/ |
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| 18:30.07 | apo__ | Hey, I'm trying to dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc, but I'm getting "package ... removed but not purged". |
| 18:30.08 | KaiSVK | cahoot, yeah, but it was rather a new installation of testing |
| 18:30.10 | apo__ | How do I purge it? |
| 18:30.16 | apo__ | apt-get purge <package> does nothing. |
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| 18:30.40 | cahoot | KaiSVK: grub2 has a different layout |
| 18:30.47 | apo__ | <_< Never mind |
| 18:30.50 | apo__ | Just saw the link :P |
| 18:31.06 | KaiSVK | cahoot, all I wanna setup is vga= do you pls know where could I do that ? |
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| 18:33.15 | xreal | What permissions are good for /var/www ? |
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| 18:36.38 | phlux | If I mount a share using smbmount, and I 'chown' the mount, will it mess up the share, or just the permissions on my computer? |
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| 18:36.51 | iateadonut | if i've got a server that has an ip address, and i buy a domain name, and the registrar asks for a nameserver (two of them, in fact), how can i direct that domain name to the server? |
| 18:37.05 | phlux | I don't want it to screw the drive up for the desktop.. the wife uses the desktop/external hd quite a bit |
| 18:37.19 | iateadonut | use sftp instead of samba if you can. |
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| 18:37.30 | phlux | iateadonut: you need to host DNS. I can provide that for free. |
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| 18:37.50 | phlux | iateadonut: I'm not transferring files.. just want to access the mp3s on the external |
| 18:37.58 | iateadonut | i think the registrar would be able to do it for free... |
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| 18:38.13 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 18:38.21 | iateadonut | yes, then sftp probably isn't best. |
| 18:38.47 | iateadonut | it will work on the share. |
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| 18:39.02 | phlux | ok, so it won't change stuff on the drive itself? |
| 18:39.09 | iateadonut | yes, it will. |
| 18:39.19 | phlux | oh, bad news then |
| 18:39.27 | phlux | I see there's a way to set the uid/gid of the mount |
| 18:39.43 | iateadonut | what exactly do you want to do? |
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| 18:40.44 | jimcooncat | phlux: I think you set uid/gid right in your mount command |
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| 18:44.37 | RageOfThou | do dlopen, dlsym and similar support unicode |
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| 18:48.40 | fredl | there... fglrx latest driver patched and ready to roar on the kvm.git kernel. |
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| 18:53.02 | ddfreyne | I need to run an app that requires MySQL 3; is there a place where I can still download MySQL 3 packages for Debian? I'm on lenny (latest). |
| 18:53.27 | PatrickBatman | hello, can a preseed file work once the base OS is installed, or is it only for seeding a new install with d-i? |
| 18:53.31 | SRabbelier | Hohum, I'm getting "packages held back" from aptitude: http://pastebin.com/m16415464 how do I resolve those? |
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| 18:54.06 | PatrickBatman | ddfreyne: you may have to port old packages from sarge or potato |
| 18:54.17 | paxcoder | for the record: Is Lenny blob free? |
| 18:54.19 | phlux | iateadonut: I want to be able to read/write on the samba mount as a normal user |
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| 18:54.37 | pvvni | Bah still no luck |
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| 18:54.48 | phlux | as it stands, mounting using "smbmount //DESKTOP/E /home/phlux/External/" only gives root privileges |
| 18:54.49 | pvvni | Anyone know how I can get setfont to run on boot |
| 18:54.52 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello |
| 18:55.06 | pvvni | trying to get it to run before it initiates my virtual terms |
| 18:55.14 | pvvni | I can drop it in /etc/profile |
| 18:55.15 | pvvni | but |
| 18:55.19 | themill | paxcoder: do you expect that to have changed since you last asked? |
| 18:55.26 | pvvni | Then it doesn't run until after a user logs in |
| 18:55.28 | PatrickBatman | pvvni: .bashrc? |
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| 18:55.33 | pvvni | PatrickBatman: see above |
| 18:55.34 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier, you can't fix 3 branches of debian like that |
| 18:55.38 | Titan8990 | s/fix/mix |
| 18:55.51 | Titan8990 | sorry... 4 |
| 18:56.01 | Titan8990 | you have almost every branch in your sources.... bad |
| 18:56.03 | phlux | Ah, I got it... "smbmount //DESKTOP/E /home/phlux/External/ uid=phlux gid=phlux" |
| 18:56.21 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: accumalated over time I guess :P |
| 18:56.25 | SRabbelier | from people saying "oh, just add ..." |
| 18:56.29 | pvvni | PatrickBatman: What I don't want is for it to execute based on user log in, I want it to be default |
| 18:56.37 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: what's the best way forward? |
| 18:56.43 | PatrickBatman | pvvni: I have font into in ~/.Xdefaults |
| 18:56.57 | PatrickBatman | uses an aweful syntax but it "just works" |
| 18:57.05 | PatrickBatman | s/info/info/ |
| 18:57.05 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier, ehh, you are likely stuck with sid now, depending on how many packages have been installed from sid |
| 18:57.18 | Titan8990 | SRabbelier, apt doesn't provide any real way to downgrade |
| 18:57.19 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello, at netinst, is it possible to type a manual mirror and a manual release instead of 'stable'? |
| 18:57.29 | SRabbelier | Titan8990: I don't mind upgrading |
| 18:57.37 | stew | SRabbelier: what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:57.44 | pvvni | PatrickBatman: wont that only affect me if I'm running an x session though? |
| 18:58.00 | SRabbelier | stew: it's saying "packages held back", I always got the impression that's not a good place to be :P |
| 18:58.09 | stew | SRabbelier: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 18:59.08 | SRabbelier | ah, mhh |
| 18:59.23 | stew | SRabbelier: its not necessarily a problem |
| 18:59.34 | SRabbelier | stew: what about what Titan8990 said, about not mixing branches? |
| 18:59.39 | stew | in this case it really doesn't look like it |
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| 19:00.17 | stew | SRabbelier: what you are doing is fine |
| 19:00.46 | SRabbelier | stew: you're saying I should just leave things be as they are? |
| 19:00.49 | stew | SRabbelier: mixing stable and non-stable is a problem, testing and unstable are not a problem. If you don't know what you are doing you should perhaps not be using experimental |
| 19:00.59 | stew | SRabbelier: what you want |
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| 19:01.34 | SRabbelier | ah, so where am I mixing stable and non-stable? |
| 19:02.10 | rafaelsoaresbr | does netinst CD allow me to choose another release than 'stable'? |
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| 19:02.32 | paxcoder | Can someone point me to documents on Debian.org explaining the whole blob business to me? |
| 19:03.31 | paxcoder | wishes he could rely on DFSG |
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| 19:04.13 | fredl | I don't know what I'm doing and I'm running 2.6.31 kvm.git on stable. |
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| 19:04.37 | fredl | grins |
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| 19:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, already gorn |
| 19:09.00 | \amethyst | paxcoder: probably the two GRs on the subject http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 ; and the related discussions on debian-devel and debian-legal (around August 2006 and October 2008) |
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| 19:19.00 | CardinalFang | Hi all. I'm trying to sort out splitting a package. I have "foo" that I split into "foo" and "foo-bin". "foo" must depend on "foo-bin", and it shouldn't be possible to install old "foo" and new "foo-bin" at the same time. How is this done? I hear "Breaks" isn't supported yet, is it "foo-bin Conflicts: foo (<< split_version)"? |
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| 19:24.06 | chellomere | CardinalFang, false, lenny supports Break: |
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| 19:25.46 | Titan8990 | stew, he has stable AND non-stable in his sources |
| 19:26.10 | chellomere | CardinalFang, you may use it. |
| 19:27.24 | CardinalFang | chellomere, I see that in the policy manual, but I'm packaging for Ubuntu Karmic right now. I do not think it is supported there yet. |
| 19:27.26 | chellomere | Titan8990, nothing wrong with that, if you know what you are doing. |
| 19:27.32 | chellomere | CardinalFang, #ubuntu. |
| 19:28.17 | stew | Titan8990: yes |
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| 19:30.54 | babilen | stew: thanks! |
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| 19:33.29 | babilen | stew: for uploading that is |
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| 19:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how's that telling me what type of RAM to order... http://pastebin.com/f25bd9109 .. and how many slots are used/free |
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| 19:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | 666MHz DDR2 ... |
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| 19:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... 200pin, 240pin? |
| 19:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (PC2-5300) means 200pin and actually is the type? |
| 19:40.07 | zophy | ok, when i start an x session with gdm, the x server runs at 16 bit depth, when i start it with startx it runs at 24 bit depth, the same xorg.conf file is used, whud up wid dat shiznatz ? |
| 19:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | strace -f -F -e open startx > bpp16 ; strace -f -F -e open gdm > bpp24 ... |
| 19:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | see if they both actually use the same xorg.conf? |
| 19:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if xorg.conf really specifies a default depth |
| 19:41.54 | loXx | does a custom kernel (hand selected drivers etc.) give any performance gain at runtime? startup time is a lot faster, but what about overall speed? |
| 19:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't think so |
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| 19:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | except perhaps compared to the kernels compiled for i386 instead of i686 |
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| 19:44.12 | loXx | i already use the i686 one |
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| 19:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so I *did* crack the lid open a bit on the running machine |
| 19:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems I got 2 free slots |
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| 19:45.55 | abrotman | hehe .. he saidc crack |
| 19:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I shouldn't? |
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| 19:48.33 | loXx | this word seem to cause a high priority interrupt ;) |
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| 19:48.40 | Titan8990 | loxley_, i have only noticed fast boot times |
| 19:48.47 | Titan8990 | 8 seconds being my best |
| 19:49.06 | Titan8990 | part of that is removing the need for an initrd |
| 19:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | So can I stuff this RAM http://tinyurl.com/yd7x8v4 in the two free slots? |
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| 19:49.40 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, some older DDR2 motherboards only supported 1gb sticks |
| 19:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 19:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | says N2-MPV-VM asus ... just looking at the pdf |
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| 19:50.34 | loXx | Titan8990: that is true. but is there any difference after the system booted? |
| 19:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't seem to say anything usefule |
| 19:51.47 | Titan8990 | loXx, there might be but its noticeable to the end-user |
| 19:51.59 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, it supports 4 2gb stick according to newegg |
| 19:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Aha, here "You may install 256 MB, 512 MB, 1 GB, and 2 GB unbuffered ECC/non-ECC" |
| 19:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this now says "A DDR2 module has the same physical dimensions as a DDR DIMM but has a 240-pin footprint compared to the 184-pin DDR DIMM." ... |
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| 19:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess I should look out for something saying "240 pin" |
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| 19:53.33 | Titan8990 | no, i have NEVER gone by pin count |
| 19:53.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | OR DDR2 |
| 19:53.45 | Titan8990 | always by a) type b) speed c) timings |
| 19:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... it should match what you have... |
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| 19:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hard to push something with 200 pins in a socket with 240 |
| 19:54.09 | Titan8990 | i always by RAM in sets, like you are |
| 19:54.21 | Titan8990 | i mix and match on machines that are not very important |
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| 19:54.38 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, all DDR2 sticks are going to have the name notches/size |
| 19:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's already two modules in there |
| 19:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... I can't remember when I last time bought RAM separate from a computer... |
| 19:55.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'm totally confused about what types are around |
| 19:55.26 | Titan8990 | can't remember when I bought a computer as a whole |
| 19:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 19:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do... I bought an Noika N810 |
| 19:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see that as a micro-laptop :) |
| 19:56.26 | Titan8990 | i don't count laptops |
| 19:56.36 | Titan8990 | i should started seing barebone kits for them recently |
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| 19:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | got so many you can't count them anymore? :))) |
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| 19:57.41 | loXx | :-) |
| 19:57.54 | Titan8990 | getting there on servers |
| 19:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can count my laptops |
| 19:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... |
| 19:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | one |
| 19:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | one and a half |
| 19:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (counting the N810) |
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| 19:58.36 | scgtrp | i put debian stable on an old computer and switched to the -486 kernel to get it to boot, now apt-get and aptitude are segfaulting during "building dependency tree". is there any other cli tool i can try? |
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| 20:01.14 | Titan8990 | scgtrp, dpkg but it won't fetch the package for you |
| 20:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | scgtrp, bad memory? |
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| 20:02.38 | scgtrp | ##linux suggested low memory. it's got 32MB RAM and no swap, so that's probable |
| 20:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | check with 'free' |
| 20:03.33 | scgtrp | 7720 (kB?) free |
| 20:03.48 | abrotman | why didn't you use swap ? |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | you could setup a swapfile |
| 20:04.03 | scgtrp | it's on flash, trying to avoid wearing it out |
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| 20:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, but you also think the one I pasted the amazon-url from should work fine? |
| 20:14.56 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:15.16 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, i would find out what your existing memory speed is |
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| 20:15.36 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, your board supports 800 and if the existing are 800 and you put 667 in they will all run at 667 |
| 20:15.39 | EugenMayer1 | hello people. Iam using a Debian Lenny with an mdadm software raid. Somehow i never get notfied, when the array is not complete or is resyncing or whatever. i have set the Email adress in the /etc/mdadm/mdam.con |
| 20:15.46 | Titan8990 | and there isn't a real price difference between 667 and 800 |
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| 20:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, the existing two seem to be 667 |
| 20:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/f25bd9109 |
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| 20:21.02 | iw | Where can I find the md5 sum for the debian lenny 5.03 net install disc? |
| 20:21.25 | iw | it's not on the page where you download the iso |
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| 20:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | not? |
| 20:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it should be |
| 20:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 20:22.31 | Titan8990 | tech details don't list timings |
| 20:22.31 | fredl | ARGH. qemu-kvm seems to require a glibc newer than the one in Lenny. |
| 20:22.38 | Titan8990 | and are you sure you want PNY brand? |
| 20:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have no f***n clue what a PNY brand is |
| 20:22.57 | iw | it wasnt on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:23.02 | fredl | and glibc is *not* one of the things I want to be compiling manually compiling on Lenny |
| 20:23.04 | iw | thanks a lot! |
| 20:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions qemu-kvm |
| 20:23.26 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: qemu-kvm -- |
| 20:23.55 | fredl | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm trying to compile quemu-kvm.git so don't bother. |
| 20:23.57 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, i recommend this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231110 |
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| 20:24.29 | fredl | it's the very latest dev branch. |
| 20:24.35 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, PNY is what i consider an off-brand |
| 20:24.44 | Titan8990 | only buy if its considerably cheaper |
| 20:24.56 | fredl | bangs his head against the desk. |
| 20:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 20:25.06 | Titan8990 | I usually stick to g.skill, kingston, and corsair for ram |
| 20:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | fredl, off you go to testing :) |
| 20:25.32 | fredl | yah it has seemed inevitable for a while now. |
| 20:25.53 | fredl | I mean I don't wanna stay on Lenny for the next two or three years anyway. |
| 20:26.16 | fredl | but I had hoped winging it and been successful so far. |
| 20:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, ok, thanks :) |
| 20:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | one wonders what they keep changing libc for all the time |
| 20:27.08 | fredl | with developers considering 'testing' more like 'unstable' these days it's kind of a tough choice to make though. |
| 20:27.29 | fredl | well it's kind of a central library eh? :-) |
| 20:27.46 | Titan8990 | i thought debian was 2 year release cycles? |
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| 20:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha ha |
| 20:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 20:28.02 | ranix | Debian has always been |
| 20:28.04 | ranix | !wir |
| 20:28.04 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh> |
| 20:28.09 | fredl | well first it was 5 years, then 3 years, now 2 years, maybe next year it's 3 years again. |
| 20:28.10 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 20:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's supposed to be from now on |
| 20:28.24 | ranix | Canonical is trying to badger us into 2 year cycles |
| 20:28.26 | Titan8990 | oh, yeah, now i remember |
| 20:28.34 | ranix | personally I say fuck that noise |
| 20:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least freezes are scheduled 2-yearly now |
| 20:28.36 | Titan8990 | it was a slashdot article about how it was going to be 2 years |
| 20:28.36 | ranix | but whatever |
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| 20:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't say when the freeze will end, though :) |
| 20:29.08 | Titan8990 | i honestly don't care, as long as debian remains stable I can get the new stuff on my gentoo boxes |
| 20:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and one weird side effect of that decision is, that the next freeze will begin end of this year |
| 20:29.56 | mesa_booger | having deadlines and targets isn't always a bad thing |
| 20:29.56 | SimonH | I was referred here by the httpd room. My Debian apache2 process repeatedly segfaults on one of my web servers. |
| 20:29.56 | fredl | nope, deadlines can whip people into actually resolving some things they tend to push forward. |
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| 20:30.23 | fredl | segfaults? so you have a core dump then? |
| 20:30.37 | SimonH | Hm? |
| 20:31.11 | fredl | if you get a segmentation fault it causes a corefile to be dumped, do you have that? |
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| 20:31.56 | catsup | not if you have that disabled with ulimit |
| 20:32.36 | catsup | SimonH: did you try disabling modules |
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| 20:32.39 | okaratas | hello |
| 20:32.57 | fredl | why would anybody disable coredumps?!?! |
| 20:33.12 | dkr | http://httpd.apache.org/dev/debugging.html#crashes |
| 20:33.18 | dkr | SimonH: ^^^ |
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| 20:33.43 | ranix | httpd can sometimes crash because of weird modules |
| 20:34.18 | ranix | you want to be able to reproduce the crash, find out what is causing it, then examine the core (and if you don't know how to examine the core, start disabling modules and reverting to a known good state) |
| 20:34.22 | fredl | I think SimonH is now desperately trying to find a corefile. |
| 20:34.24 | ranix | i.e. basic troubleshooting 101 |
| 20:34.24 | dkr | my own perl cgis are my primary reason for seeing apache segfaults, :) |
| 20:35.07 | fredl | well unless you're using modperl you should be punished for writing CGI scripts anyway. |
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| 20:35.25 | dkr | a perl script could not segfault apache *unless8 using mod_perl |
| 20:35.32 | SimonH | I'm looking everywhere for everything =p |
| 20:35.44 | fredl | and if you're using modperl you're making your apache segfault yourself :) |
| 20:35.48 | fredl | yeah that :P |
| 20:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | fredl, because "nobody ever looks at them and they fill up the disk..." |
| 20:36.03 | ranix | I have seen all sorts of funky-ass cgi |
| 20:36.11 | ranix | and filling the disk has happened more than once |
| 20:36.24 | ranix | one guy filled /tmp/ |
| 20:36.27 | ranix | that was interesting |
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| 20:36.47 | ranix | malloc starts to fail |
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| 20:36.58 | iw | I'm trying to install debian (amd64, netinst) and I keep getting the "incorrect CD-ROM detected" error. I've googled it and per the advice I found I checked the md5sum and it checks out. what is going wrong? |
| 20:37.00 | catsup | fredl: on the system which i'm on now [which isn't mine] core dumps are disabled... |
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| 20:37.01 | fredl | SimonH - it's not called corefile, it's actually named 'core' |
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| 20:37.05 | JyZyXEL | can i boot off a HD and then switch to use debian from a USB stick? |
| 20:37.18 | fredl | well I like looking at cores. |
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| 20:37.41 | catsup | JyZyXEL: of course |
| 20:37.51 | JyZyXEL | how would this be done? |
| 20:38.24 | fredl | simonh - just type in 'locate core' or sumthing. |
| 20:38.33 | ranix | you could install grub to the hard disk and boot from the filesystem on the usb device |
| 20:38.35 | catsup | JyZyXEL: just install a boot loader on your hard drive, and configure a boot option that uses a kernel and root filesystem on the usb stick |
| 20:39.03 | SimonH | It's not generating them |
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| 20:39.09 | SimonH | I see in error.log: [Fri Sep 25 16:34:36 2009] [notice] child pid 10041 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 20:39.26 | catsup | JyZyXEL: alternatively [if your bootloader cannot access usb] you could put a /boot partition on the hard drive and put the kernel there, but use a root filesystem on the usb stick |
| 20:39.29 | SimonH | it doesnt have the "possible coredump in /tmp" shown in the debugging file on apache.org |
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| 20:40.12 | JyZyXEL | catsup: you mean if my bootload can access the USB |
| 20:40.50 | JyZyXEL | or not |
| 20:40.51 | jimcooncat | thinks catsup had it right |
| 20:41.06 | JyZyXEL | good idea |
| 20:41.33 | fredl | SimonH - so turn on the core dump directory and do what the page dkr told you says to do |
| 20:41.40 | catsup | SimonH: you might edit /etc/init.d/apache2 and put 'ulimit -c unlimited' before apache is launched |
| 20:41.47 | fredl | *nod* |
| 20:41.51 | catsup | JyZyXEL: no i mean 'cannot' |
| 20:42.11 | fredl | I mean, one crashed apache2 doesn't disable your webserver from serving pages so you can just wait for it to happen again. |
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| 20:42.31 | SimonH | fredl: We managed to have it take our entire server down |
| 20:42.48 | iw | What does the "incorrect CD-ROM detected" error mean in the installer? What could be wrong? |
| 20:42.49 | fredl | oh... so then its easily reproducible. |
| 20:42.50 | SimonH | it kept happening to the point it filled up both ram and swap, killing every other process including SSH |
| 20:42.56 | SimonH | We couldn't get into it remotely at all. |
| 20:43.23 | fredl | SimonH, so turn on the core generation, reproduce it, have a core, look at the backtrace and see where it crashes. |
| 20:43.33 | phlux | how can i find out what graphics card is in my laptop? I know it's an ATI, just not sure which |
| 20:43.38 | phlux | one of the HD series |
| 20:43.42 | SimonH | whereabouts in the init file should I place the ulimit? |
| 20:44.00 | fredl | it's probably some weird module anyway that causes the segfault, then disable that if you can and be done with it. |
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| 20:44.10 | aarkerio | hi! I year ago I set in hosts.allow the rule sshd:189.216.219.22 because I was working inside the building but know I am working in home with dynamic IP |
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| 20:44.22 | SimonH | the only modules enabled are a php one and compress one, as far as I know. |
| 20:44.24 | dkr | sounds more and more like a bad cgi, or poorly configured limits to prevent resource starvation upon traffic spike |
| 20:44.44 | aarkerio | there is a way to validate using some key rather than IP? |
| 20:45.13 | iw | phlux, does lspci help? |
| 20:45.46 | fredl | SimonH, probably best before the server starts up, so after log_daemon_msg "Starting web server" "apache2" |
| 20:45.47 | phlux | yep, thanks |
| 20:46.41 | fredl | SimonH, no additional PHP modules? |
| 20:46.46 | Titan8990 | aarkerio, you can use public key authentication |
| 20:46.52 | SimonH | Not directly into apache? |
| 20:46.59 | Titan8990 | aarkerio, good docs on it on the official site |
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| 20:47.12 | fredl | well modules that get pulled in by PHP itself can also make Apache segfault. |
| 20:47.21 | SimonH | and where would I find a list of those |
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| 20:47.28 | fredl | php.ini |
| 20:48.01 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.09 | SimonH | erm... Zend? |
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| 20:48.38 | SimonH | Zend and ioncube is all that's been added to that |
| 20:49.06 | fredl | well do the core thing, a backtrace should tell you exactly where it crashed. |
| 20:49.14 | SimonH | yup |
| 20:49.18 | SimonH | I'll jsut have to wait on a failure |
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| 20:49.31 | fredl | you said it was easy to reproduce though right? |
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| 20:49.48 | SimonH | well, It's segfaulted ~40 times since I rebooted last week. |
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| 20:50.25 | fredl | ioncube... are you running any so called 'commercial' PHP applications on it? |
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| 20:51.17 | SimonH | Er, no. |
| 20:51.28 | fredl | ioncube is some sort of obfuscator for PHP scripts is it not? |
| 20:51.33 | SimonH | We develop PHP applications. |
| 20:51.45 | SimonH | And in order to secure them we use ionCube. |
| 20:51.49 | fredl | so you obfuscate your own PHP apps? |
| 20:51.52 | fredl | I see. |
| 20:52.04 | SimonH | And the ones we run on our server, some of those are obfuscated, yes |
| 20:52.21 | SimonH | even though we have the source, so I have no idea why we do that. |
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| 20:52.26 | SimonH | But that isn't actually my say. |
| 20:52.48 | fredl | I don't think Zend is suspect.... |
| 20:52.48 | Titan8990 | yay for proprietary, closed, and obfuscated |
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| 20:53.10 | fredl | although on Debian it's also not a supported package ofcourse. |
| 20:53.11 | dkay | Hello, is it possible to play css on debian? |
| 20:53.22 | PrestonConnors | Hello, I'm looking to possibly switching distributions to Debian, and I'm looking for a source (such as a website) that lists installable packages via aptitude / apt-get. It would be an added bonus if this source lists the dependencies of installable packages such as aptitude / apt-get does. |
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| 20:53.32 | fredl | but I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be in ioncube. |
| 20:53.37 | Titan8990 | dkay, yes... wine is ok but i found it ran very nice under cedega |
| 20:53.38 | stew | dkay: are you talking about encrypted dvds? |
| 20:53.48 | JPT | dkay: it might not work, but checkout wine and it's appdb :) |
| 20:53.57 | JPT | http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 20:54.02 | Titan8990 | stew, even if has the DVDs, you can attach to a steam account which works over wine and cedega |
| 20:54.09 | dkay | apt-get install wine should do the trick? |
| 20:54.18 | dkay | i will try :) |
| 20:54.31 | JPT | dkay: it might help you to know what wine is and how it works |
| 20:54.35 | stew | Titan8990: i have no idea what that is |
| 20:54.41 | fredl | SimonH, if you do find the core gets generated by ioncube you have a good argument to disable it and stop obfuscated code from ending on your server :) |
| 20:54.44 | dkay | i know wine is an compiler or something |
| 20:54.50 | JPT | the wine version in the official debian repo is pretty old...it will be better to compile it on your own |
| 20:54.55 | dkay | to run .exe with linux |
| 20:54.58 | JPT | :-D |
| 20:55.04 | fredl | compiler.... |
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| 20:55.17 | JPT | dkay: please check the appdb for your application before wasting time on installing it |
| 20:55.20 | fredl | that's a very liberal use of the word 'compiler' :) |
| 20:55.24 | JPT | xD |
| 20:55.31 | Titan8990 | stew, steam is a service created by a company called Valve (makers of CS). Its a store/download service for PC games. best thing to ever happen to PC games IMO |
| 20:55.32 | dkay | yes. always funny. i have had an compiler on windows to play nintendo games. was funny |
| 20:55.45 | JPT | fredl: just imagine he could have called it 'emulator' :O |
| 20:55.54 | fredl | yeah but most people call it an emulator :) |
| 20:55.55 | Titan8990 | stew, adds community chat, voip, groups and many other features |
| 20:55.57 | fredl | hehe |
| 20:56.04 | stew | Titan8990: i have no idea what this has to do with anything |
| 20:56.06 | JPT | Wine Is Not an Emulator |
| 20:56.07 | JPT | xD |
| 20:56.10 | dkay | JPT, appdb not found |
| 20:56.11 | stew | Titan8990: is css a game? |
| 20:56.34 | Titan8990 | stew, yes, so if the dvds were encrypted in some way he could download and install via steam |
| 20:56.41 | Titan8990 | stew, which is required to play css |
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| 20:56.50 | JPT | dkay: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=871 <-- CSS? |
| 20:56.52 | Titan8990 | stew, stands for Counter Strike: Source |
| 20:56.58 | fredl | I did business years ago with a guy who commercially set up css servers on Linux.... |
| 20:57.14 | fredl | suffice it to say he didn't pay his bills. |
| 20:57.19 | Titan8990 | JPT, yes |
| 20:57.25 | JPT | :) |
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| 20:57.52 | JPT | i wonder if dkay really read my comment about the appdb... "not found" sounds like he typed it into the console or something |
| 20:57.55 | fredl | he was always nagging how 'Linux didn't work well with the game server' |
| 20:58.09 | JPT | :-D |
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| 20:58.48 | dkay | JPT, what i have to do on that page? there is nothing to download |
| 20:59.01 | Titan8990 | dkay, read the bugs and suggestions |
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| 20:59.14 | JPT | dkay: this page is the APPDB. It contains information about software you can run with wine. |
| 20:59.21 | JPT | *sigh* |
| 20:59.23 | Titan8990 | dkay, many application will include configuration tips |
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| 20:59.43 | fredl | isn't there a Linux css then? |
| 20:59.55 | JPT | probably not |
| 20:59.55 | fredl | why would anybody want to run that through wine? |
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| 21:00.08 | fredl | well I know for pretty damn sure that there is. |
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| 21:00.23 | JPT | hm...i don't know |
| 21:00.24 | dkay | well, i can play cunter strike source with wine. it means i hope i get luck with just installing wine! |
| 21:00.26 | Titan8990 | fredl, Valve has never released a linux port for their games but they have always ran well in wine |
| 21:00.36 | dkay | hopefully amd64 is supported |
| 21:00.45 | fredl | http://www.cstrike-planet.com/tutorial/1-Linux-Install-CS-Source/5 |
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| 21:01.10 | fredl | just google counterstrike source linux |
| 21:01.18 | dkay | fredl, :) thats to install an server, its not the game itself |
| 21:01.28 | fredl | yeah that's what I mean. |
| 21:01.34 | fredl | oh he's installing the game itself?!?! |
| 21:01.51 | JPT | xD |
| 21:01.52 | JPT | yep |
| 21:01.55 | Titan8990 | fredl, they have always supported servers on linux |
| 21:02.02 | fredl | LOL, oh crap :P |
| 21:02.03 | Titan8990 | atleast as long as i have been playing |
| 21:02.16 | fredl | I never played the damned game. |
| 21:02.21 | dkay | fredl, yes, i have heard it is possible and i want to switch to linux at all |
| 21:02.31 | fredl | I just got annoyed by a business partner doing gameserver hosting for a living. |
| 21:02.33 | dkay | but css is one of my fav games |
| 21:02.54 | dkay | and i need to be able to play it :) |
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| 21:03.02 | DeeTah | for(set <string>::iterator it = wydzial.begin; it != wydzial.end(); it++) |
| 21:03.04 | M4573R | hey, i'm getting an error installing libapache2-mod-php5, is there anyone here who can help me out? |
| 21:03.12 | DeeTah | conversion from `<unknown type>' to non-scalar type `std::_Rb_tree_const_iterator<std::string>' requested |
| 21:03.18 | fredl | for some reason gameserver hosters aleays appear to be idiots of the highest degree. |
| 21:03.20 | DeeTah | argh, sorry, wrong channel >.< |
| 21:04.13 | fredl | dkay - why exactly do you want to switch to Linux if I may ask? |
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| 21:05.58 | fredl | wow... I have 378 followers on Twitter. |
| 21:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | followers? |
| 21:06.11 | fredl | well on my way to be fucking famous. |
| 21:06.15 | fredl | yes. |
| 21:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | like a god? |
| 21:06.18 | fredl | yes. |
| 21:06.19 | dkay | my english isnt that good fredl :) i want to switch to linux and i wont install windows on an second partition! there are just a few applications like css which i need to install on linux. and if this will work i dont need any windows versions |
| 21:06.43 | fredl | mmmm'kay dkay. |
| 21:07.14 | fredl | Linux isn't a 'better windows', just for your information. |
| 21:07.22 | cahoot | wow |
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| 21:07.32 | dkay | i just ask myself if my ati card will work as good as in winows. i believe not :) but i will take a look |
| 21:07.54 | fredl | well mine works good. Took some time };-) |
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| 21:08.30 | dkay | i am even not sure if my card is completely installed cause it is an ati mobile for notebooks. not that much drivers to download out there |
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| 21:08.40 | fredl | I need sleep, I'm getting agitated by having to go to squeeze to a point of being sarcastic. |
| 21:08.44 | dkay | but i will see |
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| 21:09.18 | fredl | good luck dkay. |
| 21:09.28 | dkay | fredl, linux isnt a better windows :) linux is a different os! and i dont use gnome or kde for example |
| 21:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkay, seems you just run the windows stuff under wine? |
| 21:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkay, http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Steam |
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| 21:09.42 | dkay | i want to use linux because linux ois lunix and not another windows |
| 21:10.03 | boxxertrumps | right |
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| 21:10.04 | boxxertrumps | so |
| 21:10.09 | tim85706 | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:10.38 | boxxertrumps | I was curious how well piping /dev/hda to /dev/hdb would work |
| 21:10.49 | dkay | i will take a look CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:11.27 | boxxertrumps | i just want to copy a partition over to a drive of the same size |
| 21:11.36 | babilen | boxxertrumps: have a look at dd |
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| 21:12.17 | boxxertrumps | durrrr |
| 21:12.21 | boxxertrumps | thanks babilen. |
| 21:12.36 | stew | boxxertrumps: if the disks are the same size it works fine. you could "cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb" but "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" would probably be faster and do the same thing. this WILL COMPLETELY destroy anything on /dev/hdb so make sure you have the names correct |
| 21:12.38 | babilen | boxxertrumps: that is IMHO just the tool you are looking for |
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| 21:13.03 | schnatta | ahoy! |
| 21:13.31 | babilen | boxxertrumps: it basically depends on what you want. |
| 21:14.00 | schnatta | i have debian lenny running on a via c3 that supports i486 and im trying to compile a package on it. |
| 21:14.03 | stew | boxxertrumps: you want to copy one partition or the entire disk? or what? |
| 21:14.04 | babilen | stew: thanks for the upload :-) |
| 21:14.07 | stew | babilen: yw |
| 21:14.21 | stew | babilen: sorry it took so long, it was not straightforward, there were lots of changes to test |
| 21:14.31 | iw | weird, `mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom` fixed my install problem |
| 21:14.34 | stew | and a new Standards-Version that actaully required changes |
| 21:14.34 | schnatta | can s.o. tell me how to compile a package against i486? i tried --target=i486-linux-gnu for the configure script but it still reports "i686-pc-linux-gnu" for build and host system type |
| 21:14.40 | babilen | stew: i read the changelog |
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| 21:15.56 | boxxertrumps | thanks for the extra info stew, babs. |
| 21:16.06 | babilen | boxxertrumps: babs? |
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| 21:16.22 | boxxertrumps | stew: a single partition that fills the disk |
| 21:16.40 | stew | ok |
| 21:16.52 | babilen | boxxertrumps: if you opt for cp you should make sure to pick the correct arguments (-a comes to mind) |
| 21:17.00 | stew | -a isn't needed |
| 21:17.11 | stew | no arguments are needed, just "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" |
| 21:17.16 | babilen | stew: really? why is that? |
| 21:17.46 | stew | babilen: becuase he's simply copying one file to another, -a is for recursive and changing permissions and such, and he doesn't need any of that |
| 21:18.38 | babilen | stew: right. Everything is a file... |
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| 21:19.21 | dkay | someone can figure out why i cant mount my ntfs drive? |
| 21:19.38 | stew | "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" does the same thing as "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" except it does it faster (unless you are adding more arguments to dd to make it use a more efficient blocksize) |
| 21:19.39 | dkay | what do i need to install? |
| 21:20.36 | _AnywhereIs_ | dd is your friend :D |
| 21:21.00 | stew | cp is easier |
| 21:21.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | dkay: ntfs-3g ntfsprogs |
| 21:21.24 | schnatta | ha |
| 21:21.43 | schnatta | --build=i486-linux-gnu works |
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| 21:22.14 | JyZyXEL | stew: why is it faster |
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| 21:22.29 | dkay | _AnywhereIs_, tnks, never installed ntfsprogs before. just that ntfs-3g |
| 21:22.34 | dkay | no wonder why i wasnt able |
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| 21:22.38 | dkay | but |
| 21:22.41 | _AnywhereIs_ | JyZyXEL, it's faster because less bytes to type :D |
| 21:23.15 | stew | _AnywhereIs_: no, becuase the default blocksize for dd is too small to be as efficient as cp (which tries to pick a blocksize based on the arch it is running on) |
| 21:23.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | stew: can't i pass block size to dd? |
| 21:23.51 | stew | _AnywhereIs_: yes, which is why I meantioned that specifically |
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| 21:26.52 | boxxertrumps | well, this means i have a sata laptop hdd that i can sell |
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| 21:27.04 | boxxertrumps | without too much time invested into copying the data off it |
| 21:27.14 | boxxertrumps | well, not much effort, thanks guys |
| 21:27.23 | boxxertrumps | this is going to be super usefull later |
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| 21:29.24 | fredl | christ... |
| 21:29.29 | fredl | http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/arizona-couple-suing-bathtime-photos-prompt-wal-mart/story?id=8624533 |
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| 21:29.37 | Dryanta | lived and died for all your sins |
| 21:29.45 | boxxertrumps | hmm, i just started a sector copy of a 160gb hdd, didn't I. |
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| 21:30.01 | babilen | is happy to live in europe |
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| 21:30.27 | fredl | you are babilen? |
| 21:30.48 | babilen | fredl: who? me? who said that? |
| 21:31.09 | fredl | you're in that same europe I'm in where you get to vote on an EU constitution and if you all vote 'NO!' your government does it anyway? |
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| 21:32.00 | babilen | fredl: yes exactly that one. but let's not discuss it in here (it's rather OT) |
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| 21:32.11 | fredl | true. |
| 21:32.39 | fredl | here then, I think on a friday night everybody present here could appreciate this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc |
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| 21:37.32 | phlux | Are there any workarounds for the white screen? I'm trying to set a buddy up with compiz on Debian. He's using an ATI Xpress 200M on a laptop, has the fglrx driver installed and loaded into his xorg.conf |
| 21:37.36 | phlux | This stuff just kind of... 'worked' on my debian install. |
| 21:39.23 | sepult | wtf made modconf depend on whiptail eh ? |
| 21:39.50 | sepult | such a buggy piece of code ....grrr |
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| 21:41.08 | KDE4000 | phlux ati drivers ftl :/ |
| 21:41.19 | phlux | I have to enable direct rendering |
| 21:41.21 | phlux | Not sure how |
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| 21:43.03 | M4573R | hey folks |
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| 21:45.08 | dobre_zlo | hi, i cant find list of packages from "standard system utilities" |
| 21:45.51 | dobre_zlo | i have this option in installer |
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| 21:46.24 | dutchfish | dobre_zlo, you mean base-files ? |
| 21:46.31 | simonrvn | dobre_zlo: it's just the old 'base' packages |
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| 21:47.04 | simonrvn | like util-linux, find, locate, base-files, blah blah blah |
| 21:47.29 | simonrvn | they're marked essential or standard |
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| 21:48.25 | stew | dobre_zlo: aptitude search \~prequired \~pstandard \~pimportant |
| 21:48.56 | simonrvn | oh yeh, important, i knew i forgot one |
| 21:49.02 | simonrvn | thanks stew |
| 21:49.07 | dobre_zlo | ok, thx |
| 21:49.09 | stew | and you forgot required :) |
| 21:49.17 | Morten_ | Hey, I just installed the stable version of debian, and now I changed to that I get the ones from testing. BUT now aptitude will remove gnome, gnome-desktop-enviroment and xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 21:49.27 | simonrvn | is having blueberry bannock right now 'mmmmm' |
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| 21:49.30 | Morten_ | how is that? |
| 21:49.38 | simonrvn | i did didn't i haha |
| 21:49.55 | simonrvn | i blame lack of sleep ;p |
| 21:50.37 | stew | essential is a different flag than the priority. all the the essential packages are priority: required, but not all the priority: required are marked essential |
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| 21:51.36 | simonrvn | *nods*, thanks |
| 21:51.46 | dutchfish | stew, how to let apatitude cough up essential? |
| 21:51.51 | stew | Morten_: some package from gnome-desktop-environment is probably cureently missing from testing |
| 21:52.00 | stew | dutchfish: aptitude search \~E |
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| 21:52.21 | dutchfish | stew, thanks ! |
| 21:52.21 | stew | :) |
| 21:52.30 | simonrvn | yeh, and there's that gnome 2.26 -> 2.28 transition now |
| 21:52.50 | dutchfish | stew, i always asked myself that one, good to know :) |
| 21:52.57 | Morten_ | ok, thats is why it fucks up. Should I just wait? |
| 21:53.14 | stew | Morten_: up to you |
| 21:53.32 | Morten_ | or hold gnome and gnome-desktop-enviroment ? |
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| 21:54.40 | M4573R | hey, i'm getting error installing a package, is there anyway to get more debug info from dpkg? |
| 21:55.09 | stew | M4573R: what error are you getting? |
| 21:55.23 | M4573R | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139 |
| 21:55.50 | simonrvn | not enough info, but that's a segfault |
| 21:56.01 | stew | M4573R: you could run the postinst script by hand, perhaps with "bash -x" to see where the problem occurs |
| 21:56.27 | simonrvn | that's my favourite way ^^^ |
| 21:56.45 | stew | M4573R: its a fresh install of the package? not an upgrade? |
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| 21:57.03 | M4573R | fresh install, trying to setup LAMP |
| 21:57.22 | M4573R | libapache2-mod-php5 is the one giving me the error |
| 21:57.27 | stew | M4573R: you can try "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst configure" |
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| 21:57.40 | stew | M4573R: what version are you installing? |
| 21:58.16 | M4573R | 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 |
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| 22:00.49 | stew | M4573R: I certainly wouldn't expect this kind of problem from a stable version. are you having any other unexplained errors with this system? |
| 22:01.11 | M4573R | no |
| 22:01.28 | M4573R | i've installed alot of other things fine |
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| 22:01.54 | darkham | hi, how can i extract dvd audio tracks? |
| 22:02.22 | markybob | darkham, you should probably google it |
| 22:02.49 | darkham | i haven't find anything ........ |
| 22:02.51 | adb | whit grip |
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| 22:03.12 | markybob | darkham, first result http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/rip-audio-track-from-dvd-75291/ |
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| 22:04.15 | darkham | markybob, possibly not in one file.. |
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| 22:04.46 | M4573R | stew: "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst configure" didn't really output anything usefull ether |
| 22:05.07 | markybob | darkham, why do you think this is a #debian issue? /j #mplayer |
| 22:05.15 | stew | M4573R: i'd expect it to tell you where the problem occurs |
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| 22:05.27 | iw | I'm trying to install lenny (amd64, netinst) and I just got an error that said "Failed to determine codename for the release" |
| 22:05.42 | darkham | markybob, i only asked help in using debian... |
| 22:05.48 | iw | I tried doing the debootstrap manually and it worked just fine, but now it won't continue with the installation |
| 22:06.15 | iw | what is causing this error? |
| 22:06.18 | M4573R | stew: http://pastebin.com/d750ed3b1 |
| 22:06.47 | stew | M4573R: that's the entire output? |
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| 22:07.08 | stew | M4573R: are you sure libapache2-mod-php5 is actually the one causing the problem? can you show us the output of "dpkg --configure -a" ? |
| 22:07.09 | M4573R | yes, like i said, not usefull |
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| 22:08.32 | M4573R | stew: http://pastebin.com/m49e611e |
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| 22:10.11 | stew | M4573R: oh, try running it as "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst configure 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3" |
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| 22:13.21 | M4573R | stew: the output is the same as the first one |
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| 22:19.02 | phlux | how can I upgrade my version of X? |
| 22:19.07 | phlux | 'aptitude upgrade xorg'? |
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| 22:19.27 | cast | depends |
| 22:19.42 | phlux | on? |
| 22:20.01 | cast | your sources.list and your current version |
| 22:20.36 | stew | phlux: no, upgrade doesn't take a packagename. upgrade means "upgrade all packages which are upgradable that can be upgraded without removing other packages" |
| 22:20.47 | iceroot | phlux: with the normal repos you only gt secuity-fixes and no version-upgrades |
| 22:20.56 | phlux | I see |
| 22:21.05 | stew | phlux: "aptitude install xorg" would upgrade the xorg package if it were upgradable |
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| 22:21.23 | phlux | crap |
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| 22:21.31 | phlux | doesn't seem to be upgradable. |
| 22:21.38 | Kuifje | hello all. |
| 22:21.39 | phlux | why are lenny's packages so out of date? |
| 22:21.49 | stew | phlux: becuase it was frozen over a year ago |
| 22:22.10 | iceroot | phlux: we dont call them out of date, we call them ultra-stable :) |
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| 22:22.11 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 22:22.11 | phlux | so, we need to ugrade to something else? |
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| 22:22.20 | stew | phlux: why do you need to upgrade? |
| 22:22.29 | verblendet | hi, how to enable mouse in colnsole with sdl, e.g. for schism tracker? |
| 22:22.33 | Kuifje111 | when I format my external HDD using "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda" I get kernel panics. |
| 22:22.40 | phlux | It's not for me, it's for my brother-in-law. compiz won't work with his card (mainly because X is so out of date) |
| 22:22.43 | iceroot | phlux: if you want actual version, debian stable is not the right thing for you |
| 22:22.50 | Kuifje111 | I get this on a freshly installed version of debian lenny. |
| 22:22.58 | verblendet | Kuifje111, ouch :O |
| 22:22.58 | petern_ | Kuifje111, try formating a partition instead of the whole drive? |
| 22:23.11 | phlux | so what should I upgrade him to? |
| 22:23.13 | phlux | sid? |
| 22:23.16 | petern_ | Although... kernel panic is... |
| 22:23.17 | Kuifje111 | could it be my RAM is bad? |
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| 22:23.25 | stew | phlux: which graphics card? |
| 22:23.34 | phlux | stew, ATI Xpress 200M |
| 22:23.38 | verblendet | Kuifje111, try another fs, maybe xfs, just to check |
| 22:24.00 | verblendet | Kuifje111, but why sda, not sda1 or so? |
| 22:24.05 | petern_ | Compiz: good for showing off, pretty pointless for actually using... |
| 22:24.06 | Kuifje111 | I guess something fundamental is causing it. |
| 22:24.08 | Kuifje111 | like the RAM |
| 22:24.28 | stew | phlux: i don't think that a newer driver woudl be any different for that card. are you sure that the problem is that X is out of date? |
| 22:24.29 | verblendet | petern_, full ack, its useless and waste of resources |
| 22:24.39 | phlux | stew, that's what they're saying in #compiz |
| 22:24.45 | phlux | they looked at the X logs |
| 22:24.55 | verblendet | metisse is very nice, but actually no package for debian |
| 22:24.58 | phlux | He has to load EXA, which won't run well on an X.org that's so old |
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| 22:25.15 | phlux | So should I move him from lenny to sid? |
| 22:25.21 | stew | phlux: well then you can wait for a newer version to be released for lenny (which could be a long wait) or upgrade to testing (which will have far more stuff broken than in stable). or use a different distro |
| 22:25.29 | stew | phlux: no, you shouldn't move to sid |
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| 22:25.37 | phlux | what is the testing branch? |
| 22:25.53 | dutchfish | squeeze |
| 22:25.55 | phlux | we'll give that a shot |
| 22:26.00 | stew | phlux: you can use "testing" the current testing codename is "squeeze" |
| 22:26.27 | stew | phlux: see chapter 4 of the lenny release notes for an idea of what a recommended upgrade procedure would be |
| 22:26.35 | phlux | so, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze? |
| 22:27.34 | verblendet | mmh, how to get mouse support for sdl in console? i installed gom too, but didnt work. |
| 22:27.47 | stew | dpkg: lenny->squeeze =~s,aptitude full-upgrade,aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade &&aptitude full-upgrade, |
| 22:27.47 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, stew |
| 22:28.07 | iceroot | phlux: i know some people will beat me but if you want the pros from debian (apt-get and so one) with never software-versions try ubuntu |
| 22:28.18 | iceroot | phlux: with newer |
| 22:28.24 | stew | hah, i guess i just DIDN'T get called a moron by dpkg |
| 22:29.07 | muddd | in a nice way |
| 22:29.14 | petern_ | verblendet, gpm? |
| 22:29.48 | Kuifje111 | where does debian store kernel panic messages? |
| 22:29.57 | Kuifje111 | or details |
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| 22:30.03 | verblendet | petern_, yes,gpm |
| 22:30.18 | verblendet | virtual console mouse support..... |
| 22:30.50 | verblendet | i dont speak of X, i mean this black beautiful screen you get when you press ctrl+alt+f1 ;) |
| 22:31.32 | verblendet | but sdl complains about mouse..... |
| 22:32.41 | petern_ | so... permissions maybe? |
| 22:33.42 | _Trinity_ | does anyone know of a proxy that does javascript adn addblocking like prixoy but better maintained? I don't think Squid does this sort of stuff |
| 22:34.57 | _KaszpiR_ | squid with dansguardian maybe |
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| 22:36.31 | _Trinity_ | thanks, will check that out. Yeah, I kept on comming accross dansguard in my readings. I've tried Squid itself, though so there must be more to it dansguard |
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| 22:37.09 | Kuifje111 | petern_, verblendet: in /dev there only is sda listed, no sda1, sda2 or whatsoever. |
| 22:37.45 | verblendet | Kuifje111, then you at least did not set up any partitions |
| 22:37.47 | verblendet | try: fdisk -l |
| 22:37.53 | Kuifje111 | is that necessary? |
| 22:38.05 | verblendet | Kuifje111, sure |
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| 22:38.23 | verblendet | try: fdisk, then press l |
| 22:38.32 | Kuifje111 | Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 22:38.37 | verblendet | then create a new partition with n |
| 22:38.43 | verblendet | Kuifje111, ok, thats it |
| 22:38.50 | Kuifje111 | ok then |
| 22:38.55 | verblendet | then create some |
| 22:39.07 | Kuifje111 | how do I make one big partition out of it? |
| 22:39.09 | verblendet | but, however, kernel panic in this case is bad bad bad, should never happen |
| 22:39.15 | verblendet | Kuifje111, just type fdisk |
| 22:39.26 | verblendet | then type n [enter] |
| 22:39.43 | verblendet | enter, enter, enter , and w for write to disk and exit |
| 22:39.52 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks. |
| 22:40.02 | verblendet | then you have /dev/sda and can make a fresh fs with mkfs.xfs /dev/sda1 |
| 22:40.39 | Kuifje111 | thank you. |
| 22:41.00 | verblendet | now you have to add an entry in /etc/fstab etc... |
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| 22:43.29 | boxxertrumps | still running "cp /dev/sdd /dev/sdc" |
| 22:44.30 | boxxertrumps | i wonder if i could have just made a big ntfs partition and copied all the files over |
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| 22:46.15 | jesselang | Hello. I'm using debian testing. Some recent updates caused my trackpad to no longer accept a "tap" as a click, and the scrolling edges seem to be gone as well. |
| 22:46.50 | verblendet | boxxertrumps, ntfs? |
| 22:47.07 | boxxertrumps | verblendet: yeah, it needs to boot into vista |
| 22:47.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.39 | Kuifje111 | verblendet: I get another error now. soft lockup, CPU did nothing for 61seconds. |
| 22:47.49 | jesselang | I found some resources that mentioned adding options like 'Option "TapButton1" "1"' and 'Option "VertEdgeScroll" "1"' to my xorg.conf InputDevice section, but that hasn't seemed to work. |
| 22:47.53 | verblendet | Kuifje111, wtf? |
| 22:47.54 | Kuifje111 | something like that |
| 22:47.57 | Kuifje111 | yeah |
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| 22:48.25 | Kuifje111 | these problems occurred when I installed new RAM. |
| 22:48.25 | verblendet | jesselang, what should that do? enable tips on touchpad and scrolling? |
| 22:48.28 | jesselang | I was wondering if anyone knows how I can get my trackpad working as it used to. |
| 22:48.44 | verblendet | Kuifje111, so, switch ram back to old ram end test again! |
| 22:48.55 | verblendet | maybe your ram is errorness |
| 22:49.10 | jesselang | verblendet, Yes, apparently those options should enable tapping to click, and enable the scrolling edges. |
| 22:49.23 | verblendet | boxxertrumps, just for my interest, why use cp and not dd? |
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| 22:49.42 | verblendet | jesselang, i have an old thinkpad and with lenny its just working out of the box |
| 22:49.58 | jesselang | Right. |
| 22:50.00 | verblendet | i have no such entries in my xorg.conf, hmmm |
| 22:50.02 | jesselang | I'm on squeeze. |
| 22:50.15 | jesselang | Well, testing. |
| 22:50.16 | verblendet | that explains |
| 22:50.21 | jesselang | It used to "just work". |
| 22:50.25 | boxxertrumps | verblendet: stew said that it was faster than dd because it chooses the largest sector size possible automatically |
| 22:50.26 | jesselang | Now it "just doesn't". |
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| 22:50.48 | avu | boxxertrumps, yeah, using dd for such things is stupid |
| 22:50.52 | verblendet | boxxertrumps, ok |
| 22:50.59 | avu | never knew how that myth got created in the first place |
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| 22:51.12 | dsdeiz | hello, so i recently installed rcconf. i've removed some services from there. how can i put them back? |
| 22:51.16 | avu | jesselang, gsynaptics usually works well |
| 22:51.16 | phlux | debbie downer |
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| 22:51.27 | Kuifje111 | verblendet: yes, that could be it, but the one I switched it with was also errorness. |
| 22:51.31 | avu | jesselang, and you usually shouldn't need an xorg.conf at all in squeeze |
| 22:51.31 | verblendet | avu, good old times using diskettes |
| 22:51.38 | kripz | so im trying to find out which drive /dev/sdc is. when i pull one out, do they get renamed? they become sda and sdb? |
| 22:51.47 | avu | verblendet, no reason to not just use cp there either |
| 22:51.56 | verblendet | Kuifje111, so boot a rescue cd adn startup memtest |
| 22:52.09 | Kuifje111 | yeah, will do that |
| 22:52.18 | Kuifje111 | have done that too with my last RAM DIMM |
| 22:52.24 | verblendet | avu, however, all howtos, the very first too, only suggest dd |
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| 22:52.57 | boxxertrumps | 13:19 stew> "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" does the same thing as "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" except it does it faster (unless you are adding more arguments to dd to make it use a more efficient blocksize) |
| 22:53.00 | avu | verblendet, what's your point? |
| 22:53.15 | boxxertrumps | hmm |
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| 22:53.19 | boxxertrumps | i dont know anymore |
| 22:53.22 | avu | verblendet, I was asking myself how this myth was created and why, not when or by whom |
| 22:53.28 | boxxertrumps | i guess i misunderstood stew\ |
| 22:53.33 | verblendet | yes, dd can be tuned to use a bigger blocksize, so no need to use cp :) |
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| 22:53.50 | verblendet | avu, so whats wrong? |
| 22:53.55 | drwahl | does dpkg track the install date? |
| 22:54.02 | stew | boxxertrumps: you asked if you could use cat, which you could, but cp is faster. dd can be tuned to be faster than cp if you know what your doing |
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| 22:54.13 | stew | drwahl: yes, in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:54.13 | boxxertrumps | which i dont\ |
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| 22:54.24 | verblendet | man dd :) |
| 22:54.29 | verblendet | man everything |
| 22:54.30 | avu | verblendet, what's wrong is that it's hard to to right and easy to get wrong and the gain *if* done right is usually quite small. |
| 22:54.43 | drwahl | stew: you rock. th anks |
| 22:55.06 | stew | verblendet: the manpage isn't going to tell you what a good blocksize to use is |
| 22:55.28 | verblendet | it tells you how to use it |
| 22:56.25 | verblendet | blcoksize depends on arch and whatever, yes, iirc its 4-8k on a x86 |
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| 22:56.42 | boxxertrumps | does ^C pause? |
| 22:56.52 | verblendet | now, break, cancel |
| 22:56.53 | boxxertrumps | i think i just stopped my cp |
| 22:56.59 | catsup | yeah it's killed |
| 22:57.03 | boxxertrumps | FFFFFFFFFF |
| 22:57.11 | catsup | ^C sends SIGINT which will kill cp dead |
| 22:57.43 | catsup | next time use ^Z to send SIGTSTOP which will cause cp to wait for SIGCONT |
| 22:57.45 | boxxertrumps | stupid fat shakey fingers |
| 22:57.52 | catsup | oic |
| 22:57.58 | catsup | next time run cp in the background |
| 22:58.02 | boxxertrumps | well, that's not true |
| 22:58.05 | verblendet | and fg brings it back to front |
| 22:58.09 | verblendet | or use screen |
| 22:58.10 | boxxertrumps | i tried to copy the stuff in the console |
| 22:58.22 | catsup | btw you can use rsync -aP to recover a recurisve cp of many small files |
| 22:58.38 | catsup | actually it will even continue a half-copied large file |
| 22:58.44 | boxxertrumps | i'm 13:19 stew> "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb" does the same thing as "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" except it does it faster (unless you are adding more arguments to dd to make it use a more efficient blocksize) |
| 22:58.49 | verblendet | catsup, hes copying a whole disk, sda to sdb or so |
| 22:58.49 | catsup | [but not a block device] |
| 22:58.58 | catsup | you should have used dd boxxertrumps |
| 22:59.00 | boxxertrumps | whoops, copying sdd to sdc |
| 22:59.11 | catsup | then you could have used the progress meter in order to recover using skip= |
| 22:59.20 | boxxertrumps | yeah |
| 22:59.31 | boxxertrumps | maybe |
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| 23:00.08 | boxxertrumps | how on earth did i wind up the service manager at a computer store? |
| 23:00.19 | boxxertrumps | grade 12 ended last june |
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| 23:00.44 | cast | forgot to go uni? |
| 23:01.11 | boxxertrumps | i still need to finish up the requirements for my highschool diploma |
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| 23:02.22 | Kuifje111 | verblendet: this is the error I received: soft lockup cpu #0 stuck for 61s |
| 23:02.57 | verblendet | Kuifje111, did you test the ram? |
| 23:03.07 | Kuifje111 | not yet |
| 23:03.11 | Kuifje111 | but that takes a while. |
| 23:03.12 | RvGaTe | reading the docs about publishing apps, is it correct that every compiled application is a .apk file that's sort of an installer for android? so i copy that to the phone and install it? its not really clear on how to actually get apps on the phone (this part isnt clearly documented in my opinion) |
| 23:03.14 | valdyn | Kuifje111: diese warnung steht nicht alleine da sondern mit dem treiber der das verursacht hat |
| 23:03.19 | valdyn | Kuifje111: in dmesg |
| 23:04.11 | valdyn | Kuifje111: und das ist kein Hardware Defekt |
| 23:04.17 | Kuifje111 | it also states ksoftirqd behind the text |
| 23:04.20 | Kuifje111 | between brackets. |
| 23:04.37 | valdyn | Kuifje111: das ist auch ein backtrace |
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| 23:04.58 | adb | de! |
| 23:04.59 | Kuifje111 | I am not German, by the way. I am Dutch. |
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| 23:05.08 | dsdeiz | hello, so i recently installed rcconf. i've removed some services from there. how can i put them back? |
| 23:05.09 | Kuifje111 | but I understand what you say. |
| 23:05.20 | valdyn | Kuifje111: yea sorry, wrong channel |
| 23:06.09 | RvGaTe | arg, wrong channel |
| 23:06.22 | verblendet | for some funny reason i only can find bugentries regarding to centos and ubuntu :)) seems to be a kernel bug on sime hardware or a corrupted cpu |
| 23:06.30 | verblendet | Kuifje111, overclocked? |
| 23:06.35 | Kuifje111 | no. |
| 23:06.49 | valdyn | Kuifje111: this is simply a driver taking to much time |
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| 23:07.07 | valdyn | Kuifje111: the backtrace would tell us which one it is |
| 23:07.24 | Kuifje111 | how to backtrace? with dmesg? |
| 23:07.36 | verblendet | just type dmesg |
| 23:07.37 | valdyn | Kuifje111: the error should be in dmesg including the backtrace |
| 23:07.45 | verblendet | www.pastebin.com |
| 23:07.47 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks |
| 23:07.59 | verblendet | paste the output at pastebin ^ |
| 23:08.38 | valdyn | Kuifje111: and just tell us if you are using a non-debian kernel and if you are using drivers that arent in mainline |
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| 23:08.52 | Kuifje111 | no, it's straight out of the box |
| 23:08.57 | Kuifje111 | it's all default |
| 23:09.04 | Kuifje111 | used a netinstall |
| 23:09.17 | Kuifje111 | only installed the basic system |
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| 23:09.57 | Kuifje111 | rebooting it now |
| 23:10.01 | verblendet | however, you created a new partition, then formatted, .... sometimes its better to reboot after doing so. |
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| 23:10.09 | valdyn | Kuifje111: why the hell are you rebooting? |
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| 23:10.13 | TheFearow | I'm trying to install device-mapper, am I right in assuming it has to be compiled into the kernel? |
| 23:10.16 | valdyn | Kuifje111: that makes it impossible to debug this one |
| 23:10.28 | Kuifje111 | valdyn: it froze! |
| 23:10.33 | verblendet | Kuifje111, before booting... paste the output of dmesg |
| 23:10.36 | valdyn | Kuifje111: so? |
| 23:10.40 | verblendet | oh |
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| 23:10.46 | valdyn | Kuifje111: this error is about freezing |
| 23:10.47 | verblendet | too cold maybe :) |
| 23:10.53 | valdyn | Kuifje111: a 61 second freeze |
| 23:11.01 | Kuifje111 | how would I execute a command when it is not responding? |
| 23:11.10 | valdyn | Kuifje111: you should have waited a little |
| 23:11.13 | verblendet | tyoe it and wait |
| 23:11.28 | Kuifje111 | I have |
| 23:11.32 | valdyn | Kuifje111: now you need to get that error again anyway |
| 23:11.38 | Kuifje111 | it came up with the same error over and over again |
| 23:11.43 | Kuifje111 | the 61 seconds error |
| 23:11.50 | valdyn | Kuifje111: ok, alright |
| 23:12.00 | valdyn | Kuifje111: well , you need to give us the complete error |
| 23:12.01 | verblendet | ok, then better reboot, check bios settings for tuning options and set to default |
| 23:12.27 | Kuifje111 | all right. |
| 23:12.43 | verblendet | then try again, if error occurs, try to get dmesg output again, or after reboot, open up a console and tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 23:13.06 | verblendet | if error comes up, it should be on the screen |
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| 23:13.27 | verblendet | you can scroll a concle with shift+pageup/dwn |
| 23:13.37 | verblendet | concle? console i mean |
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| 23:15.03 | verblendet | petern_, your right, i needed read access to /dev/input/mice :O |
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| 23:16.13 | verblendet | schism rocks, hahaha, just loaded a 15 year old song |
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| 23:16.50 | imduffy15 | If i was to just tar up / of a current install in a VM and extract it on another computer and installed/configured grub would it boot? |
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| 23:17.05 | krushik | what "initstyle" should I use for debian within vserver? |
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| 23:17.27 | krushik | minit, sysv, plain, gentoo? |
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| 23:26.27 | valdyn | krushik: the default |
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| 23:27.12 | krushik | yep, I see, thanks |
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| 23:29.02 | TheFearow | Anyone know how I would install device-mapper? |
| 23:29.54 | karme | TheFearow: you most likely already have it installed |
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| 23:30.15 | valdyn | TheFearow: what are you trying to do with device-mapper? |
| 23:33.05 | verblendet | is there a choice of init stype during install? |
| 23:33.21 | verblendet | style/type |
| 23:33.35 | valdyn | verblendet: no |
| 23:33.42 | verblendet | :( |
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| 23:33.49 | valdyn | verblendet: why is that a problem? |
| 23:33.59 | verblendet | i dont like x in rl3 |
| 23:34.20 | valdyn | verblendet: so take X out of runlevel 3 |
| 23:34.31 | valdyn | verblendet: what the hell does that have to do with init type? |
| 23:35.27 | verblendet | valdyn, a lot of things need to change to get 'normal' init back :), like single user, multiuser, multi+x, network and all that |
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| 23:35.43 | valdyn | verblendet: thats not init type |
| 23:35.53 | valdyn | verblendet: but yes, its debian, not redhat |
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| 23:36.08 | valdyn | verblendet: single user mode is already there though |
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| 23:36.34 | verblendet | valdyn, not only redhat uses this rc-tyle or how its called, and imho it males a lot of sense;) |
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| 23:36.53 | valdyn | verblendet: the rc-style does *not* determine which runlevel runs what |
| 23:37.00 | valdyn | verblendet: so stop confusing those 2 things |
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| 23:37.15 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 23:37.15 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>. |
| 23:37.20 | verblendet | i missed that when i first installed debian.... always try to start x and fall back, so had to wait until x fails finally and pauses restarting etc |
| 23:38.11 | murdoc-is-god | I am trying to create a software RAID-5 array using mdadm with 6 drives. I told it to use --spare-devices=0 and --raid-devices=6 and --level=5 but the end result is a degraded array with 5 drives and 1 spare, or so says mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 23:38.21 | verblendet | rcconf is bad, dont let you choose runlevel, starts up everything, i personally dont like that |
| 23:38.44 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: degraded with 5? |
| 23:38.58 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: you mean degraded 5 disk array with 4? |
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| 23:40.08 | markybob | murdoc-is-god, that's because raid-5 requires a hot spare |
| 23:40.17 | valdyn | WHAT? |
| 23:40.23 | valdyn | markybob: nonsense |
| 23:40.25 | verblendet | no |
| 23:41.18 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: markybob: http://pastebin.ca/1579738 |
| 23:41.19 | verblendet | imho its 3 drives, 5 drives, and if you have even amount of drives, one is spare |
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| 23:41.40 | murdoc-is-god | I have six 2TB drives. |
| 23:42.08 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: so the raid looks correct |
| 23:42.15 | verblendet | so your raid 5 uses 5 of them, and one for spare, thats ok, thats how raid 5 works, iirc |
| 23:42.16 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: but you cant add the hot spare? |
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| 23:42.25 | valdyn | verblendet: no |
| 23:42.37 | murdoc-is-god | I used to have six 750GB drives in software RAID-5... I though there wasn't a hot spare so much as 6 drives working together with parity info from 1 drive striped across all other 5 |
| 23:42.43 | murdoc-is-god | That's what I want. |
| 23:42.55 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: is the raid syncing right now? |
| 23:42.57 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: How to I add the hot spare to force it to be in the array like the rest of them? |
| 23:43.01 | verblendet | no? ok, dont want to confuse, i remembered to read about only odd amount of drives work in raid5, but maybe nonsense |
| 23:43.14 | murdoc-is-god | I don't think so, how can I tell with mdadm? |
| 23:43.20 | dkr | verblendet: yes, that is nonsense. :) |
| 23:43.21 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: write a little data to the array |
| 23:43.45 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: I want to create an encrypted logical volume on it first |
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| 23:44.02 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: lets debug the raid first |
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| 23:44.25 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md3 bs=1 count=1 ( something like that ) |
| 23:45.54 | iw | I am having serious trouble installing debian (lenny, netinst amd64) on my computer. First, it couldn't find the CD so I had to mount it manually, and then when I went to install the base system, it couldn't "determine the codename for the release" but a manual debootstrap worked fine. Problem is, after doing that manually, I can't continue with the installation. What the heck could be going wrong? |
| 23:46.02 | dkr | maybe the reason one ended up as spare has something to do with those warnings about the partitions already belonging to another raid array? |
| 23:46.34 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: 1 byte (1 B) copied, 0.439163 s, 0.0 kB/s |
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| 23:46.41 | murdoc-is-god | dkr: Maybe |
| 23:46.50 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: you are having warnings? |
| 23:46.53 | murdoc-is-god | How can I delete all past attempts to create an array from mdadm's memory? |
| 23:46.54 | murdoc-is-god | no |
| 23:47.07 | murdoc-is-god | oh wait |
| 23:47.13 | murdoc-is-god | I just ran cat /proc/mdstate |
| 23:47.22 | murdoc-is-god | It's recovering one? |
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| 23:47.32 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: thats what we just triggered |
| 23:47.47 | murdoc-is-god | at 50,835K/s |
| 23:47.47 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: is it syncing now? is the raid still degraded? |
| 23:48.12 | murdoc-is-god | State : clean, degraded, recovering |
| 23:48.18 | murdoc-is-god | The spare is rebuilding apparently |
| 23:48.27 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: ok, what i expected |
| 23:48.30 | murdoc-is-god | Why did this happen in the first place? |
| 23:48.32 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: everythings good then |
| 23:48.36 | murdoc-is-god | and is there a faster way to accomplish this? |
| 23:48.46 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: see, theres (auto-read-only) in your paste |
| 23:48.48 | murdoc-is-god | Or should I just wait until this is done to put a filesystem on there? |
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| 23:48.55 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: that means the raid will not sync before you write to it |
| 23:49.04 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: hell, you cant speed up syncing a raid |
| 23:49.15 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: the *whole* disk has to be written to |
| 23:49.35 | helo | so if ndiswrapper doesn't seem to be working with this wifi card using the windows driver... is it probably the wrong driver, or is it normal for it not to work? |
| 23:49.46 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: and for the love of god *do* enable bitmaps |
| 23:50.04 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: ( after its synced ) |
| 23:50.16 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: How do I do that? With mdadm I assume --manage maybe |
| 23:50.24 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: yea, its in the manpage |
| 23:50.50 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: madadm --grow -binternal /dev/md3 iirc |
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| 23:51.58 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: feel free to partition it already or create volumes, but any huge access you should do later |
| 23:52.23 | helo | is there a task- or other package to install the usual netbook remix packages? |
| 23:52.43 | helo | i noticed that maximus is in the repos, but i don't recall the others' names... |
| 23:53.06 | DeathWolf | I know this might sound odd and it's fairly unimportant, but is there any way to have an init-attached zombie finally go to rest? |
| 23:53.20 | valdyn | DeathWolf: no |
| 23:53.54 | DeathWolf | what about changing the process title of a zombie |
| 23:54.10 | valdyn | DeathWolf: if its not going away then its "stuck" in a system call. Thats a kernel bug. Theoretically you need to reboot to be safe |
| 23:54.36 | valdyn | DeathWolf: ( though i dont think theres any actual danger so you might aswell leave it as it is ) |
| 23:54.39 | DeathWolf | mmm, strace shows it stuck in a read actually |
| 23:54.53 | valdyn | DeathWolf: there |
| 23:55.04 | DeathWolf | Well, the only thing is that I'm not a big fan of the current process title staying in ps forever since I was doing some tests with some private binaries but uh... |
| 23:55.17 | DeathWolf | hence my change the process title question. |
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| 23:56.38 | DeathWolf | I tried to write in /proc/$pid/ but without success |
| 23:56.51 | valdyn | DeathWolf: theres nothing you can do |
| 23:56.58 | DeathWolf | ah well. |
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| 23:57.35 | DeathWolf | I wish there was some kernel interface to rewrite bits of kernel memory:) |
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| 23:57.49 | valdyn | DeathWolf: hah |
| 23:57.53 | valdyn | DeathWolf: you can do that |
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| 23:58.22 | DeathWolf | because if I can locate the place where the process name is, I can just garble it without much danger. |
| 23:58.32 | valdyn | DeathWolf: /dev/kmem |
| 23:58.33 | carresmd_ | someone type please /nick carresmd and tell me if able to take my nick with no error |
| 23:58.45 | karme | maybe find and replace in /dev/mem ;-) |
| 23:58.49 | DeathWolf | hehehe |
| 23:58.56 | DeathWolf | sounds perverted karme, but I'll try :) |
| 23:59.02 | valdyn | carresmd_: do it yourself |
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