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00:04.17murdoc-is-godvaldyn: I read the relevant section of the manpage about bitmaps
00:04.23murdoc-is-godbut it's not clear why this is better?
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00:04.58valdynmurdoc-is-god: that bitmap is used to save which disk areas need to be synced if you crash
00:05.08DeathWolfseems I'm good for living with it or a reboot:) cap-bound is -257
00:05.12murdoc-is-godBy default there is no bitmap?
00:05.14DeathWolfso cant read much of the mem
00:05.16valdynmurdoc-is-god: right
00:05.35murdoc-is-godThen how does mdadm recover from a crash without a bitmap?
00:05.36iwI am having serious trouble installing debian (lenny, netinst amd64) on my computer. First, it couldn't find the CD so I had to mount it manually, and then when I went to install the base system, it couldn't "determine the codename for the release" but a manual debootstrap worked fine. Problem is, after doing that manually, I can't continue with the installation. What the heck could be going wrong?
00:05.40valdynmurdoc-is-god: with a bitmap you usually only need to sync a few seconds, compared to hours right now
00:05.54murdoc-is-godoh
00:05.55valdynmurdoc-is-god: if you crash without bitmap the whole array gets synced
00:06.04valdynmurdoc-is-god: thats 1TB
00:06.13murdoc-is-godvaldyn: So what are the disadvantages?
00:06.16murdoc-is-godDoes it take up space?
00:06.32valdynmurdoc-is-god: sure, but not enough to be relevant
00:07.02murdoc-is-godvaldyn: Then, from a usability standpoint, why not create bitmaps by default?
00:07.16valdynmurdoc-is-god: I dont know
00:07.19murdoc-is-god0_o
00:07.41murdoc-is-godWell, thanks for the info anyway.  I've just got 1.5% so far
00:07.52karmewell there also is a little performance penalty
00:07.59murdoc-is-godWith bitmaps?
00:08.03karme(updating the bitmap)
00:08.05valdynsure, a little
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00:08.18valdynit should be comparable but less than the filesystem journal
00:08.21murdoc-is-godPerformance hit on all writes?
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00:08.39murdoc-is-godHey so I don't know if I should use XFS or JFS
00:08.46murdoc-is-godon this array
00:08.47valdynmurdoc-is-god: you should use ext3
00:08.51karmei am not sure how often the bitmap is synced to disk
00:08.53murdoc-is-godvaldyn: IT's too big
00:09.00valdynmurdoc-is-god: to big for what?
00:09.03murdoc-is-godext3
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00:09.11murdoc-is-godMy array is 10 TB
00:09.11valdynext3 is to big? uh?
00:09.15valdynso?
00:09.21murdoc-is-godext3 I thought can only do 8TB
00:09.29valdynmurdoc-is-god: is this a 32-bit system?
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00:10.22valdynmurdoc-is-god: ok, theres the 8tb limit, correct
00:10.47valdynmurdoc-is-god: xfs then it is, i guess
00:10.59murdoc-is-sunhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/IanMurdockKeynote.jpg
00:11.25murdoc-is-suni didn't realise he was german
00:11.26murdoc-is-godvaldyn: Probably a better choice then JFS?
00:11.34murdoc-is-godI was using XFS before
00:11.40valdynmurdoc-is-god: i think xfs is well maintained
00:12.05castXFS goes good
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00:12.23castive had dataloss with JFS on this eee :(
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00:12.47castwas related to suspend or hibernate, happened twice
00:12.50valdynmurdoc-is-god: ext4 should probably be an option to consider, but the problem with that one is that youd have to use a non-stable kernel
00:12.52Dryantazfs wins
00:13.00Dryantawhen is there going to be a linux implementation
00:13.07Dryantais it even on the roadmap?
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00:13.15valdynDryanta: probably never, not much point
00:13.23Dryantawhat do you mean not much point
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00:13.34Dryantazfs is the coolest filesystem since sliced bread
00:13.38valdynDryanta: it would not be ported quicker than btrfs will have the same features
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00:13.50Dryantahmmm btrfs
00:13.54castZFS already runs under linux, btw
00:14.02Dryantacast: really
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00:14.15valdynDryanta: on fuse, thats hardly a serious option
00:14.17heloit's called git!
00:14.24castwhy isn't fuse a serious option?
00:15.19roethere is a large performance hit having zfs in userland (fuse)
00:15.42casthave you measured it?
00:15.47murdoc-is-godI use sshfs on fuse a lot, but I'd be wary of putting a filesystem on a big-ass RAID array such as this controlled by fuse.
00:15.56roepersonally no
00:16.05helois there some way to install a virtual package (gnome) while ignoring only a few specific dependencies (epiphany-browser, evolution-exchange, epiphany-gecko)?
00:16.10casthas anyone measured it?
00:16.18roebut there are lots of articles around discussing fuse and its inherent advantages/disadvantages
00:16.28valdyncast: google
00:17.05karmehelo: maybe you want to install only gnome-desktop-environment + some other dependencies found in the gnome package?
00:17.15castvaldyn: i am, and i'm not seeing it
00:17.31\amethystcast: some benchmarks from last year suggest no penalty for reads, 40-70% penalty for writes  http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/138452
00:17.51karmehelo: had a similar question yesterday and someone explained that gnome is all gnome apps and gnome-desktop-env... is the core
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00:18.24roecast, second hit in google: http://techarcana.net/2009/02/07/zfs-on-fuse-performance-benchmarks/
00:18.26lolufailhi
00:18.47lolufailmkfs takes longer than expected, but I want to close the ssh session... anything I could do to move it to a 'screen' or something?
00:18.52cast\amethyst: that page compares XFS and FUSE/ZFS :\
00:18.53valdynlolufail: no
00:19.06verblendetlolufail, no, use screen before :)
00:19.11lolufaildamnit :D
00:19.32verblendetlolufail, dont forget to hit the spacekey sometimes , hehe
00:19.34roeis XFS to FUSE/zfs not a good comparison?
00:19.41\amethystcast:  yeah, just noticed...  the link roe provided suggests no read penalty, but a much larger write penalty
00:19.41valdynroe: no
00:19.44castroe: that, also, looks like XFS vs ZFS
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00:20.11verblendetlolufail, or maybe ssh gets a timeout and disconnects, but in that case the mkfs should end normally after doing its job
00:20.32roewhat comparison are you looking for?
00:20.43lolufailverblendet: are you sure about that?
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00:20.58\amethystcast:  no, roe's link has XFS, ZFS, and ZFSFuse
00:21.00castthere are no benchmarks showing the impact of having ZFS in userland instead of kernel land, since there is no ZFS in linux kernel land
00:21.02verblendetlolufail, no, i'm never sure
00:21.02lolufailtimeout@ssh sessions would be pretty undefined
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00:21.13valdynroe: id rather compare it to ext4
00:21.24roevaldyn, have at it then :)
00:21.57\amethystcast:  oh, no, I'm wrong
00:21.58adbhelo, install google-core ,    err  gnome-core i meant
00:22.14verblendetgoogle, brrrr :)
00:22.21\amethystcast:  they're all ZFSFuse, just some of them are labelled "ZFS"
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00:23.37\amethystA ZFS vs ZFS-Fuse comparison would be possible, but it would also be a Solaris (or BSD) vs Linux comparison
00:23.37castpersonally, i think if you want to use ZFS you should use Solaris, as it's best supported there. also there's more to deciding on a filesystem setup than IO speed, in my case i have SD card that does 1mb/sec writes :(
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00:24.02cast\amethyst: i was wondering if one could run it on freebsd or opensolaris
00:24.09cast\amethyst: as they both have FUSE
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00:24.16\amethystcast:  ah, that's an idea
00:24.25lolufailI'm using mdraid5 -> dmcrypt -> lvm2 -> ext4 if anyone cares
00:24.31\amethystcast:  fuse is being ported to osol too
00:24.37\amethystcast:  http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse/
00:24.40castthe freebsd one could at least be somewhat relative to debian \m/
00:24.45helokarme: ahh, that did the trick... thanks!
00:25.11cast\amethyst: i thought i mentioned that :P
00:25.27\amethystcast:  oh, sorry, I read "freebsd or openbsd", my bad
00:25.48lolufailhow hard is development for fuse? I want to write a netload&rapidshare "raid" thingy
00:25.51lolufailtransparent etc
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00:26.24castlolufail: there's quite a few fuse projects, so i imagine it's not that hard
00:26.29\amethystlolufail: It's a lot easier than writing a fs in-kernel, obviously, since you have userspace available to you
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00:27.27\amethystlolufail:  http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fuse/  may be relevant
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00:28.09lolufailah thx
00:28.18roeisn't ZFS and the gpl incompatible?
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00:29.01\amethystroe:  which is why ZFS for Linux is being implemented with FUSE rather than in-kernel
00:29.07roeright
00:29.58lolufailyet kernelspace would be faster
00:29.58roelots faster and safer
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00:29.58lolufail-safer in terms of stability
00:29.59\amethystroe:  CDDL and GPL are not cross-compatible, Sun won't dual-license ZFS, and Linux declares some of the needed interfaces "GPL-only" ("if you use this interface, we consider your code a derivative work")
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00:30.15roeis that from the wiki article?
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00:30.18castnot inherently safer, and not neccessarily faster
00:30.18roesounds familiar
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00:30.39\amethystroe:  No, that was my own summary of what I understand of the situation
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00:30.46\amethystroe:  as a user of both OSes
00:30.46murdoc-is-godvaldyn: How often is a sw raid bitmap updated?
00:30.58roe\amethyst, ha, sounds a lot like the wiki article
00:30.59lolufailfilesystems should all be userspace, imho
00:31.10\amethystlolufail:  have you looked at HURD?
00:31.12lolufaileverything should be userspace, actually
00:31.24\amethystlolufail:  I repeat my question :)
00:31.25roemoves the kernel to userspace
00:31.28lolufail\amethyst: no, let me google
00:31.37karmeroe: :-)
00:31.48lolufailroe: I'm talking about microkernels
00:32.00lolufailyeah, hurd.
00:32.04roewhen did tannenbaum get in
00:32.05karmehow that we all have virtual machines do we still need hurd?
00:32.10\amethystlolufail:  it's GNU's microkernel-based OS; you can even get Debian based on the HURD http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
00:32.17roego minix
00:32.25verblendetyeah
00:33.02verblendetwant it called elm? the dinosaur?
00:33.40roegive Plan9 a shot
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00:35.24TrueDDGood night all
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00:36.19castkarme: those are two different things, and to use VMs still require kernels, i don't understand what you're getting at
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00:36.26castyou still*
00:36.49karmecast: yes sure - but it is getting close(r)?
00:37.16lolufailhmm does lvm swallow like.. 6-8% of my space??
00:37.23castkarme: i...don't thik so :\
00:37.26\amethystkarme:  the advantages of VMs and the advantages of microkernels are different and mostly orthogonal
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00:37.56\amethystkarme:  though they share some disadvantages, e.g. performance
00:38.03jesselangYay.  I figured it out.
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00:39.09karmeit wasn't really meant serious - i just like the similarity - virtual machine montior ~ microkernel - different vms for different jobs ...
00:39.20lolufailI dont get it....
00:39.37lolufail<PROTECTED>
00:39.42lolufailtheres 1,5 tb missing
00:39.57lolufailno, 1.0 tb
00:40.13karmelolufail: lvm is using SI units by default (don't know whether this is your problem here)
00:40.43lolufailkarme: aaah thanks
00:40.47lolufailkarme: Disk /dev/dm-0: 16503.2 GB, 16503290654720 bytes
00:41.30murdoc-is-godvaldyn: Do I need to wait for the resync to finish in order to turn md0 into a LVM2 physical volume?
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00:41.57\amethystlolufail:  err, but that's weird
00:42.09lolufail\amethyst: what is?
00:42.12\amethystlolufail:  it means "GB" is in decimal units, but "TB" is in binary units
00:42.20murdoc-is-godalso, do I need to wait for the resync to finish in order to run  mdadm --grow -binternal /dev/md0
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00:42.41lolufailPV Size is pvdisplay output, the rest is fdisk -l
00:42.57\amethystlolufail:  ah
00:43.03valdynmurdoc-is-god: no and yes
00:43.11\amethystlolufail:  so fdisk is using decimal units and pvdisplay binary, ok
00:43.24karmehuh
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00:43.26lolufail\amethyst: yes
00:43.30Uragano705460ciao
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00:43.53murdoc-is-godvaldyn: So I can make it into a physical volume, create a volume group, put one big logical volume on it
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00:44.05murdoc-is-godand then encrypt the LV with dm-crypt AES-192
00:44.07valdynmurdoc-is-god: sure
00:44.11murdoc-is-godThen mkfs.xfs it
00:44.17murdoc-is-godAll right now
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00:46.28karmeso lvm is not using si units by default?
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00:48.18karmewill never get it
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00:49.08lolufailkeep in mind that xfs can never shrink :)
00:49.39lolufailand ext3 cannot grow beyond 16tb
00:49.47\amethystkarme:  apparently not... what's surprising is that fdisk was
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00:50.16\amethystkarme:  I would have expected fdisk to use binary units by default, whether written TiB or TB
00:51.43karme\amethyst: me too :-) i use lvm quite a lot and always thought its using si units :-)
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00:53.13karme\amethyst: ah sorry - now really me too - uh its getting late and that beer ... i should get a sleep now
00:53.34lolufailI am currently movind 15x640GB to a 12x1,5TB raid, my idea was to create the new raid, copy each old harddrive (one after another, dont have enough ports for all of them) into an image on the raid, mount that image with losetup, assemble the old raid over those loop devices, and copy the data file-by-file to the new filesystem
00:53.35\amethystkarme:  I can confirm, at least in the en_US.UTF-8 locale, fdisk -l uses decimal units and pvdisplay binary ones
00:53.37lolufailagree?
00:53.39\amethystkarme:  night
00:53.57karmenight all
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00:54.46catsuplolufail: what?  why don't you just replcae the drives one by one
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00:55.31catsupoh
00:55.37catsupbecause it's a different number of drives
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01:01.28helololufail: is it possible to have both machines up and running at the same time?
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01:02.09valdynlolufail: you can replace disks and grow / shrink the raid as needed
01:02.24jonaskoelkerHi all.  My X server acts as if the ctrl key is held down.  How do I make it stop that?
01:02.51jonaskoelkerAs best I can recall, it started doing this after an instance of x2x was terminated (slightly violently, maybe)
01:03.02heloi   maximus                         - Automiximizing window management tool
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01:03.21nmh-j2grawjonaskoelker: dumb question for you: have you restarted the x server already and this is still happening?
01:03.45jonaskoelkernmh-j2graw: no, I haven't.  And I'd prefer to know a solution that doesn't require me to
01:04.14heloit shouldn't happen all the time... it it does, you would do well to figure out why
01:04.22jonaskoelkerISTR respawning X being my usual solution [the held-ctrl has happened before, a few times]
01:04.25nmh-j2grawjonaskoelker: well, you can hope for someone better than me to give you a nice answer, but while you are waiting - have you tried starting x2x again and stopping it nicely?
01:04.38jonaskoelkernmh-j2graw: yep (to no avail)
01:04.57jonaskoelkerrather, I don't know how to shut it down nicely.  SIGINT?
01:05.37_Trinity_is anyone using kazehakase?
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01:07.26nmh-j2grawjonaskoelker: you did try pressing ctrl a few times, yes?
01:07.39jonaskoelkeryeh
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01:09.58jonaskoelkerinterestingly, I can run synergy (v1), and with -f the server and client claim to have found each other, but when I try to move the mouse pointer from the "b0rked" x server ("ariel") to the healthy one  ("bianca"), I get told that synergy can't move to the other screen
01:10.17jonaskoelkerI was using x2x in the other direction (IIRC), fwiw
01:10.57jonaskoelkerisn't there some shortcut key to release all grabs?
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01:11.55nmh-j2grawjonaskoelker: I haven't seen anything on how to quit it, even.  sorry I don't have a nice answer for you
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01:13.11lolufailre. sry I should have mentioned, it was a raid6, not it's a raid5
01:13.19lolufailalso the drivesizes dont match, it would be a waste
01:13.34lolufail-not +now
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01:14.00nmh-j2grawlolufail: maybe this was covered already - why not pull the drives from your old array, put in th enew ones, and then restore from your backups?
01:14.25lolufailthose _are_ my backups ;)
01:14.47lolufailcannot backup 8tb without waiting forever on this pipeline
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01:15.24lolufailI think the image-method is the best there is, took me while to come up with it ;)
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01:17.22lolufailaw crap I encrypted the drive with aes128 instead of  256 :(
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01:24.07Wyzardlolufail: That may not be a bad thing, actually
01:24.19Wyzardlolufail: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/another_new_aes.html
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01:25.38markybobbruce is a jerk and full of himself
01:25.58WyzardHe's just reporting on research that others have done
01:26.19markybobhe's biased in every sense
01:26.29Wyzardhttp://eprint.iacr.org/2009/317 -- 2^119 attack on AES-256, which makes it effectively weaker than AES-128
01:28.18lolufailWyzard: nice :D
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01:29.33CutMeOwnThroatWyzard, am I the only one who this appears to be counter-intuitive to?
01:29.47freeone3000Okay. Having accidentally pressed ctrl-s on a terminal window, I managed to make it unresponsive to screen commands. What should I do to fix it?
01:29.53lolufailhow would you guys save the old drives into images? dd? and if so, the whole drive, or just the partition used for the mdraid?
01:29.58CutMeOwnThroatfreeone3000, ctrl-Q?
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01:30.19CutMeOwnThroathooray!
01:30.24CutMeOwnThroatE: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of.
01:30.38freeone3000Thanks. Awesome.
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01:32.00WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: Yes, but remember that AES-256 is constructed slightly differently from AES-128; presumably it's something in that part of the design that's flawed
01:32.21CodeNinjaI've got a directory with permissions www-data:svn 775 -R, its the svn parent path, when I create a new repository no matter what user I am, the new one comes out as user:user_group 755, how can I set it so that all dirs and files, existing and future so that they are created as www-data:svn 775 ?
01:32.57markybobCodeNinja, man umask
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01:33.23nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: suid/sgid on the dirhttp://kurt.www.pinboard.com/techwritings/d83/)ectory? (
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01:33.29CutMeOwnThroatif debhelper would allow it, I'd paste the cow from this bug report :(
01:33.32CutMeOwnThroathttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400768
01:34.36CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: whats that meant to be a question with a url for me to go to? :S
01:35.18nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: something like that - just pretend I can type...
01:35.22CodeNinjalol
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01:36.44nmh-j2grawbut really, I think you should check out turning on the suid bit for the directory so that subdirectories get the same user.  maybe check on if you also need sgid
01:37.11jonaskoelkernmh-j2graw: I'm outta' here (trying in #xorg); thanks for trying to help me :)
01:37.32nmh-j2grawjonaskoelker: good luck!
01:37.50jonaskoelkerThanks.  Good (time-of-day)
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01:39.07sylarsomething may be wrong with my partition table
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01:39.16sylarhow can I verify that it is good?
01:39.35benedikthttp://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=22457 is this a patch file (that should be applied with "patch")?
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01:41.15acuI am trying to install squeeze - and donwloaded amd64 daily - and it does not install - some message with gtk etc.... is there a weekly choice for debian-installer squeeze ?
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01:42.02markybobacu, you're generally better off installing stable, then upgrading via aptitude to testing
01:42.15CutMeOwnThroatbtw. did apt-get dependency resolution get worse since aptitude is the "recommended" tool?
01:42.19markybobacu, you'll need to give us a real, detailed error if you want help
01:42.22CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: thats done by doing chmod 2775 right, ok so thats solved problem one with user/group issues, but now what about for 775 permissions apposed to 755 as it sets when a repo is created?
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01:42.51markybobCutMeOwnThroat, no.  the main benefit of aptitude over apt-get is its dependency handling
01:42.53CutMeOwnThroatit's more and more refusing to propose a solution for all but the obvious cases
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01:43.03OrbixxI'd like to be able to configure clamav to scan emails handled by Exim, I've got so far, but it seems clamav doesn't have permissions to access Exim's scan directory. What's the suggested action? (Debian Etch)
01:43.11CutMeOwnThroatand I can't remember that happening so often a year or so ago
01:44.10acumarkybob - I have lenny in the same computer and I updated to squeeze however the webbrowsing is terribly slowing - I do not know what to do- that is why I was thinking to install fresh
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01:45.21CutMeOwnThroatacu, possibly start with mv .mozilla .mozilla.OLD
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01:46.53CutMeOwnThroatacu, also use top/iotop to see if there's something eating up resources
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01:47.42acuCutMeOwnThroat, I will try both -  I have to reboot with the disk with squeeze
01:47.52CutMeOwnThroat"disk with squeeze"?
01:47.59CutMeOwnThroatoh
01:48.21CutMeOwnThroatmight also want to check /var/log/messages for a flood of errors or so
01:48.58CutMeOwnThroatand if you ever see "kswapd" appear in top you should also have a good notion for the reason
01:49.21CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
01:49.26CutMeOwnThroat12460 k         20   0  463m 324m  26m R   17 16.3   6:12.32 xulrunner-stub
01:49.37CutMeOwnThroatRES 324m!
01:49.42CutMeOwnThroathell
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01:51.05nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: umm, have you tried setting the dir permissions to 2755
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01:51.59CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: I've got it... but not sure how to set it for apache so it has umask 002 when it creates files
01:53.06nsadminso files will be 664 and dirs 775
01:53.31CodeNinjayes
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01:54.21elikFor some reason, my wifi card on my laptop was chocked by the fact my router used Mixed Mode (including N). My desktop, also on wifi, didn't have this issue.. Worth reporting anything on that?
01:54.59nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: checking google(apache set umask) leads me to http://www.ducea.com/2009/08/03/apache2-umask/, it looks like you want to check out /etc/apache2/envvars
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01:56.48CutMeOwnThroatkarsten!!!!!!!!!!!
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01:57.18CutMeOwnThroatops, thought that was #d-ot
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02:02.15CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: !!!! SCORE!
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02:02.36elpiratedechrondoes anybody have an actual solution to make the window borders on the sides and bottom of windows show when maximized? I should note this is not the same issue where decorations disappear entirely, or is it really any sort of issue this is solely an aesthetic wish. I'm using emerald 0.7.2 theme manager, compiz 0.8.2, under ubuntu 9.04. Also I've tried using gtk-window-decorator so I don't believe it's an emerald issue
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02:03.35nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: all good?
02:04.32petemcelpiratedechron: very thorough question, alas this channel is for debian, not debian derivatives
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02:04.50CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: yeah, but I can't test if apache cant create the files until tomorrow, waiting for my check to clear so I can put my domain up, etc, but it seems to have worked from doing tests as www-data user
02:05.33elpiratedechronright I know but people in #ubuntu are kinda worhtless
02:09.10elpiratedechronthey just talk too much and dont ever try to help anybody
02:09.10elpiratedechronwhoa
02:09.10elpiratedechronnet-slit to the max
02:09.10CodeNinjasorry I coughed on the server
02:09.10CodeNinjathat wire was lose
02:09.11initqwhat happened
02:09.11CodeNinjathis is why I'm not 'CableNinja'
02:09.11CodeNinja:(
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02:09.32petemcfat electron
02:09.35initqthe cleaning lady pulled the plug on the intrnet
02:09.35_Trinity_wow
02:09.35CodeNinjasorry, I coughed
02:09.36CodeNinjakicked the wire
02:09.36_Trinity_used to eb called something flush
02:09.36freeone3000netsplit.
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02:09.36xtor_What is the module that usually sees /dev/sda ? I wanna see if I can insmod it and see my sata drive
02:09.36freeone3000udev.
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02:09.37_Trinity_LOL!LOL
02:09.37initqi'm watching brainscan
02:09.37_Trinity_I'm dizzy
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02:09.37CodeNinjahow can I search for all files that have a specific string inside them ?
02:09.55_Trinity_beagle?
02:10.00petemcxtor_: you shouldnt have to do anything, but i think its ata_piix
02:10.04_Trinity_grep?
02:10.05CutMeOwnThroatgrep -l?
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02:10.26CutMeOwnThroatfind . -type f -exec grep -l string '{}' +
02:10.31heloi never configured /etc/fstab... is there a program that will automatically add correct entries according to the currently mounted filesystems?
02:10.32nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: grep -r
02:10.37_Trinity_talking about serches, cn anyone recommend an app to just that but with bookmarks?
02:10.49CutMeOwnThroatgoogle?
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02:11.06_Trinity_a relpacement bookmark manager?
02:11.13CutMeOwnThroatstill google
02:11.16xtor_ahh ata_piix
02:11.23xtor_so modprobe ata_piix should load it
02:11.27nmh-j2graw_Trinity_: maybe try asking again but using different words
02:12.12petemcxtor_: you shouldnt ever find yourself in a position where you need to load it
02:12.35xtor_is in such a position right now
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02:12.44_Trinity_client tht searches browser favorites?
02:12.45CutMeOwnThroat_Trinity_, you can open bookmarks.html in firefox and search
02:12.51petemchow so?
02:13.11petemchoist by your own petard, presumably
02:13.11_Trinity_nah, I can't use ff on this computer. Too slow
02:13.16CodeNinjahm... I think I may be re-installing debian on my server :*
02:13.27_Trinity_I'm thinking of index searches
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02:13.45CutMeOwnThroatdepends how your browser stores bookmarks then, doesn't it?
02:13.56_Trinity_I'm going to try catfish, but I don't know what search engine to make it work with
02:14.03CutMeOwnThroatif it's also storing them in a single html file then you can point whatever browser there
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02:14.40CodeNinjacrap I ran into a huge hole :(
02:14.44factorhow can I setup the dcop server in testing kde
02:15.03CutMeOwnThroatsetup?
02:15.06nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: good luck climbing out of it
02:15.26factorhow do I start the dcop server?
02:15.51CutMeOwnThroatdcopstart? or simply "dcop"?
02:16.05CutMeOwnThroatah, no, dcopstart is something else
02:16.12CutMeOwnThroatbut just "dcop" should do?
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02:16.25factorERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
02:16.30CutMeOwnThroatdcopserver?
02:16.31factorThat is what I get
02:16.46CutMeOwnThroatI mean run dcopserver?
02:16.55factorok cool
02:17.12CutMeOwnThroatps actually shows me dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid --suicide
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02:18.06CodeNinjamy domain name is owned by someone else, and I was trying to adjust dns settings, but need to change name servers, the guy who registered the domain for me is a 'douchie' and I don't speak to him anymore, all of my hosts were configured for that domain, most apps had their own setup which the domain name was asked for, dns is broken now (name servers can't be changed on it), so I'm going to have to re-install most of those apps
02:18.06CodeNinjaafter I get my domain name tomorrow, I know I can do most of it without rebooting the server
02:18.08CutMeOwnThroatbtw. if you have dlocate "dlocate bin/dcop" gave me a list of programs to pick from
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02:18.34CodeNinjabut theres parts that might need the server to reboot, and I can't do that because I'm doing something that cannot be resumed :(
02:18.49factornice now they need to get dbus as good as dcop is
02:18.56petemcCodeNinja: /j tales-of-woe ?
02:19.01CodeNinja:P
02:19.28CutMeOwnThroatpetemc, ooooo did you just mention the name of my future most favorite channel?
02:19.38nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: you lost me at the "name servers can't be changed"
02:19.40CutMeOwnThroatin a strictly write-only manner, of course
02:19.40petemci dont know, did i?
02:20.00CutMeOwnThroatI think he lost me at "owned"
02:20.15CutMeOwnThroatand a 2nd time at 'douchie'
02:20.57CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: I was using zoneedit for the nameservers (and I had the domain pointed to them), but I deleted that entry in zoneedit to make the new one at the new nameservers, when I tried to go back to zoneedit and re-add it, it gave me different nameservers
02:21.11factorHow can I get dcop server to start on boot up?
02:21.40CutMeOwnThroatkde should start it for you when you log in via gdm/kdm
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02:21.46acuhow can I change networks settings in squeeze ?
02:21.48CutMeOwnThroator possibly the 1st program needing it
02:21.57nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: I would expect you to use the nameservers your isp/hosting provider has setup for your use.
02:22.07phobosacu: edit /etc/network/interfaces
02:22.08CutMeOwnThroatacu, edit /etc/network/interfaces
02:22.13factor<CutMeOwnThroat> Dcop is no longer in kde its dbus, but dbus sucks right now until they write apps for it
02:22.17CutMeOwnThroatphobos, grr
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02:22.29CutMeOwnThroatoh
02:22.52CutMeOwnThroatfactor, well, glad I never used kde or plan to
02:23.04CutMeOwnThroatbut I guess actually the 1st app needing it should start it?
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02:23.10sylarI want to put some chat program on the local server so all chats will go only through the local server. Anyone knows which chat server I should install?
02:23.26raresok everything crashes in gnome now
02:23.33CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: not allowed to add my own personal domains to my isp's nameservers (obviously) and my host is here at home, but I just setup a second host at a datacenter, however thats what started causing problems with the dns. so I'm going to abandon my current domain and I'm buying 3 tomorrow
02:23.35raressave as = KABOOM!
02:23.37factorwell you will use dbus its the same things but new , but nothing uses it right now
02:23.39CutMeOwnThroatI use digikam and it produces a hell lot of crap output... and probably starts it?
02:24.05CodeNinjaI'm buying the 3 domains from the datacenter (also, my job) and all of the dns will be pointed via that
02:24.11nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: the registrar that you use should serve up the domains
02:24.13CutMeOwnThroatfactor, amarok uses it doesn't it?
02:24.38petemcsylar: jabber?
02:24.38factorI thin k so , kaffeine does that is what I am trying to get to work and kpresenter
02:24.40CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: right, but the person I knew who registered it for me has total control over all the domains he registers, he and I don't talk anymore
02:24.43CutMeOwnThroatanother kde liability on my machine :(
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02:24.56nmh-j2grawCodeNinja: and obviously you can do what you prefer, but I think it is a bad idea to have the host also acting as an intermediary between you and the registrar (like the person you knew)
02:24.56sylarpetemc, jabber?
02:25.11CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: and now it wont
02:25.20petemcsylar: yes
02:25.24CodeNinjathe primary domain will be registered at the same place as host 2
02:25.30CodeNinjahost 1 is here with me
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02:26.01CodeNinjaand the dns will be pointed to host 1 as the primary server, and host 2 will be a set of sub-subdomains
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02:27.19factor<CutMeOwnThroat> ok got it all working
02:27.47CutMeOwnThroatfactor:  \o/
02:28.04CodeNinjanmh-j2graw: I can do what I want to do, but I need to have full control over the domain name, which with my old one I did not
02:28.08petemc_\0
02:28.19CodeNinjahence me buying some domains names tomorrow
02:28.40petemci still want a cook island domain
02:28.52petemcas juvenile as co.ck is
02:29.04ArafangionIn /etc/shadow, the 'encrypted password' is sometimes * or !. Both of these are invalid, which prevents the respective user login via that means, however, is there any difference between the two? (ie, what is the difference between * and !?)
02:29.14factorMy remote control uses DCOP to control the desktop.
02:29.33CodeNinjapetemc: hah
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02:29.57fishoilCook islands actually bans domains like that
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02:31.10petemcfishoil: they do? they ban their own country code? very repressive
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02:34.14nmh-j2grawso it seems that I am missing something.  I am trying to install debian on a macbookpro 3,1 and can boot off the cd, run through the installer up to the part where I get grub (or lilo).  I don't suppose anyone here has done this and has some notes on what I am getting wrong to share?
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02:34.44petemcnmh-j2graw: refit?
02:35.29nmh-j2grawyes, that works fine for booting macos or the intsall cd, but when I try to boot "legacy os" (the new debian install) with it, it tells me "missing operating system"
02:35.52fishoilpeteme: Yeah, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ck
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02:39.07CutMeOwnThroatpetemc, #tales-of-woe it was? :)
02:40.05petemcheh
02:40.21CutMeOwnThroatnah, I'll use #d-ot
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02:41.01petemcnmh-j2graw: did you install a bootloader anywhere?
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02:41.36nmh-j2grawpetemc: I think maybe not
02:41.39CutMeOwnThroat"my tales of woe are more heart tearing than yours"
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02:41.55petemcprobably thats your issue
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02:42.07petemcand that bootloader i think should be grub2
02:42.08nmh-j2grawyeah, now all I have to do is figure out how to install one
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02:42.50nmh-j2grawpetemc: grub2 is good with efi?
02:42.53ArafangionHow do I ensure that rsh (and related) are disabled?
02:42.55petemcyz
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02:43.17Arafangion(Trying to secure my system - I'm amazed that squeeze, by default, lets root login via ssh!)
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02:43.31petemcArafangion: dont install linux with 10 year old cds
02:43.40markybobArafangion, it doesnt
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02:43.53Arafangionpetemc: I didn't... This CD was from 2009-09-14
02:44.18markybobArafangion, openssh-server isnt even installed with the minimal system
02:44.32Arafangionmarkybob: Well, I did select the "Ssh Server" option.
02:44.39ArafangionIn the tasksel-lookalike.
02:44.45beardyGuess what happened then.
02:44.45markybobwell then
02:44.47Arafangion(Used the graphical installer)
02:45.07petemcthere was much discussion over the setting of roots login over ssh, which seems silly as easily changed as it is
02:45.13ArafangionBut I'm surprised that sshd_config has PermitRootLogin to yes.
02:45.30Arafangionpetemc: yes, but arguably, the default should be to be secure to a fault?
02:45.38petemcmeh
02:45.51markybobthis isnt #analbsd
02:45.53beardyBy default it's not installed, so..
02:45.58beardyI agree though.
02:46.07petemci login as root to dozens of systems to back them up
02:46.16Arafangionpetemc: I'm a sudo person.
02:46.27petemcfantastic then
02:46.28beardyThat's your own cross to bear.
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02:47.05Arafangionpetemc: However, shouldn't you use cron or something instead? Maybe your backups are too big though and you need to manualy do it - it's the latter in your case?
02:47.17petemcmanual?
02:47.32Arafangionie, change tape.
02:47.41ArafangionAs opposed to backing up to another machine automatically.
02:47.47markybobfuck tapes.  it's nearly 2010.  fuck tapes
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02:47.55petemcamen
02:47.58nmh-j2grawha, I just went and redid the debian install, told it to install grub.  refit listed linux on hard disk as a boot option but when I tried that, I got "No bottable device ..."
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02:48.38ArafangionHow do I ensure that rshd and other r* services are disabled?
02:48.39petemc"but we need off-site!"
02:48.48petemcinternet, biatch
02:49.01nmh-j2grawArafangion: netstat or nmap
02:49.06Arafangionpetemc: Indeed...  Which is why I'm wondering you need to ssh as root.
02:49.07markybobpetemc, i really cant express how much i hate tapes and how pointless it is today :P
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02:49.35Arafangionmarkybob: Tapes are supposed to have the fastest throughput these days.  They just suck at random access.
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02:50.05markybobArafangion, they suck at *everything*.  there is no reasonable use for tapes in 2009
02:50.08petemcfastest throughput?
02:50.17petemcare you in marketing?
02:50.44markybobArafangion, none.  stop now
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02:51.16beardyYou can use them as rope and tie things, build things with.
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02:51.51liableor listen to your favourite bananarama album on them..
02:52.11petemcor 5 star
02:52.23petemcor both! and some wham
02:52.50liabledefinately wham. wake me up before you go go!
02:53.58beardyLalala la la lalala la..
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02:56.14Arafangionmarkybob: Ok.
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03:01.45petemcArafangion: in answer to your question, its just much easier for me to log in as root and have unfettered access to the machine i want to back, and seeing as i only accept keys to login, i dont see how its a problem
03:02.10petemcs/back/backup/
03:03.09raresit's a problem because it also lets gremlins in
03:03.16phobospetemc: for whatever reason, your statement reminds me of that shirt with the words "I am root. If you see me laughing, you'd better have backups."
03:04.04petemcright
03:04.55Arafangionpetemc: I'd still prefer to have a cron script that backs up the whole system and then chowns/chmods the resulting tarball to the "backup user".
03:05.47petemcthe problem im contending with is source, not dest
03:06.14rareswe are rootus of fork. reboot is futile. you cannot type it.
03:06.29petemcalso, i know its wrong but i always have one window within my screen session a root shell
03:06.58petemcfuck best practises
03:07.49liablei do too. mostly because i'm a lazy fucker..
03:07.56petemcnb, i never advise anyone to do what i do
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03:11.28petemcbacking up files is an anachronism anyway, its all about the cloud now
03:11.39Arafangionpetemc: That reminds me.
03:12.17Arafangionpetemc: When I was looking at getting a Xeon 5500-based system...  One of the major points in the intel whitepaper was that it was "optimised for the cloud".
03:12.42petemc'wank'
03:12.48liablehah
03:12.59Wyzardpetemc: Coincidentally, right now I'm setting up some scripts for using a backup tool called "duplicity", which actually can backup into "the cloud" (Amazon S3, specifically)
03:13.00ArafangionOnly problem is that if I'm spending many thousands (In Australia, a decent Xeon 5500 system is at least $6000), I want to know what the frick "optimised for the cloud" means!
03:13.24WyzardArafangion: Probably nothing at all
03:13.34petemcWyzard: yeah, why wouldnt you
03:14.14Wyzardpetemc: Well, it costs money...  I'll probably actually be storing my backups on another (remote) machine of mine, via SFTP, because that's free
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03:15.15petemci havent heard of anyone backuping up to ec2, but friends of mine setup and destroy machines willy nilly
03:15.25petemcthey're designer types
03:16.00ArafangionMe...  I'm just going to setup this new server to backup to a second (internal HDD) - then have a remote machine backup that backup.
03:16.00WyzardAre you confusing EC2 with S3?
03:16.06petemcperhaps
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03:16.22petemci dont use it myself
03:16.28Wyzardpetemc: EC2 is VMs where you can run software; S3 is file storage
03:16.30petemcec2 or sc5
03:18.39petemcWyzard: im not confused, i just dont know that much about it
03:18.55petemcand i care less than i know
03:19.47WyzardIt's a pretty powerful set of services, and I'd be interested in developing something with them, but as an individual I don't have much use for them
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03:36.22blacksbergI just changed the motherboard and processor on my computer, and memory, ddr3 1800mhz .. no noticeable difference really, but my sound isnt working, any help ?
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03:36.38blacksbergand that phenom ii 3.0 ghz
03:36.42blacksberg:)
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03:38.12phluxis lenny the most recent stable?
03:38.18pickcoderyes
03:38.29pickcoderit is the "stable" release
03:38.32phluxok
03:38.41petemcthere can be only one
03:38.57pickcoderunless you consider old-stable stable too :)
03:38.57petemc</highlander>
03:39.00pickcoderand it is stable...
03:39.09pickcoderup until sec updates stop
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03:40.58mwnnhi, i am not able use dejavu-* fonts on gitk. Basically dejavu-* fonts are not listed among the list of fonts in the gitk preferences window
03:43.40phluxsomething I've noticed as of late..
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03:43.46phluxDebian runs much better without X :P
03:43.51killertcellI was just recruited by a helper t cell
03:44.29phluxI use links2 with svga for graphical browsing, zgv to look at images, and a combination of youtube-dl and mplayer to watch youtube
03:44.32phluxit's great
03:44.35killertcellThe Helper t cell says something about linux being cancer that attacthes to everything according to some guy named steve ballmer
03:44.35pickcoderphlux: I find that Linux in general runs "better" without the bloat of X on it
03:44.57phluxpickcoder: I've always ran my servers without X, of course, but never locally.
03:45.05killertcellI FOUND OUT LINUX IS CANCER AND NOW I MUST PURGE ALL THE CANCER CELLS
03:45.11phluxI'm enjoying the experience so far, though.
03:45.22simonrvn!ops killertcell trolling
03:45.22dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: killertcell trolling
03:45.29phluxflash is no longer a problem :P
03:45.33killertcellI WILL DO THIS BY INJECTNG POSION INTO THE LINUX INFECTED CANCER CELL
03:45.45liableshuddup
03:45.57killertcellAFTER THAT THE INFECTED CELL WILL SHRINK AND I MOVE ON WITH OTHER CYTOTOXIC KILLER T CELLS
03:46.24pickcoderyawns
03:47.01torgrimt;)
03:47.04torgrimttroll power
03:47.44phluxrlol
03:49.48phoboskillertcell: .00001 out of 10 on the troll meter.
03:50.03petemcdont feed it
03:51.01killertcellI WILL DO THIS BY INJECTNG POSION INTO THE LINUX INFECTED CANCER CELL
03:51.08killertcellI FOUND OUT LINUX IS CANCER AND NOW I MUST PURGE ALL THE CANCER CELLS
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03:52.02shivrajhow do I get my sound to work ?
03:52.20shivrajI changed motherboard and processor since my other mb died
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03:53.05pickcodershivraj: if that's all the info you can provide, then you're not going to get any help. The crystal ball is broken.
03:53.08simonrvnphlux: yeh, console is fun
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03:53.19phluxindeed
03:53.32shivrajwell how do I reset the sound pickcoder ?
03:53.39pickcoderI spend most of my time in a shell under X when it is running
03:53.41pickcoderheh
03:53.56shivrajwhat kind of information do you need ?
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03:54.11simonrvni prefer x, but i won't get away from having some sort of terminal open. practically can't live without it =). too damned useful.
03:54.21pickcodershivraj: chipset? are the drivers loaded?
03:54.53pickcoderI rarely use sound on Linux, but the few times I've setup AC97 sound it's been fairly straightforward.
03:55.01pickcoderapart from unmuting the channels in alsamixer
03:55.04shivrajpickcoder: how do I find that out ?
03:55.16shivrajI use alsa
03:55.34liableif you run stable, run alsaconf
03:55.45liableits gone from sid now though i think..
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03:55.51liable!soundcheck
03:55.51dpkgPff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working.
03:55.52Wyzardbecause it was obsolete
03:55.58Wyzardshouldn't be needed even in stable
03:56.16pickcoderjust like VHS, but I still have a mountain of them
03:56.21liablewell yeah, but it can work.
03:56.46WyzardAll it did was set up aliases like "snd-card-0" for your driver modules
03:56.55killertcellDID YOU KNOW LINUX IS CANCER AND NOW I MUST SEARCH FOR THE LINUX CANCER CELLS AND INJECT POSION INTO THEM
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03:57.39liablewake up ops!
03:57.49shivrajliable: ok thanks, lets see if it works
03:58.13killertcellYEAH WAKE UP OPS AND KLINE ME
03:58.35K`zanHi folks, I'm trying to find out where I can get "start-stop-daemon", no luck googling or which - seems it is supposed to just exist?!?  Any help / suggestions / pointers appreciated.
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03:59.14liable!search
03:59.14dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
03:59.37K`zanliable: Thanks, but I have already done that - returns nothing.
03:59.39petemcK`zan: what makes you think you dont have it?
03:59.42WyzardK`zan: /sbin/start-stop-daemon is part of the "dpkg" package, apparently
04:00.01shivrajliable: no sound ..
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04:00.09Wyzardthough that seems like a strange package to provide that sort of program
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04:00.16K`zanWyzard:  /usr/bin/nostromo: line 2: start-stop-daemon: command not found
04:00.28WyzardK`zan: Is /sbin on your PATH?
04:00.47K`zanWyzard: Ah, gotta run it as root, lemme try that :).
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04:00.53pickcoderWyzard: don't post-install scripts setup init.d and launch daemons?
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04:01.46pickcodershhh Dominian's here
04:01.56Wyzardpickcoder: Sure, but initscripts aren't really directly related to installing packages
04:02.08K`zanWyzard: That doesn't do it either, but I do have the app in question, thank you!
04:02.34shivraj!alsa
04:02.34dpkgALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards.  To install, ask me about <alsa install>.  See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>.  http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA  http://www.alsa-project.org/  #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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04:07.08phluxwell, he got what he wanted, I guess
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04:07.44liableah, good. wasn't even a good troll..
04:07.51pickcoderand there was much rejoicing... "yeah"...
04:07.56phluxlol
04:08.07Dominian:)
04:08.10pickcodera troll? where?
04:08.19DominianYou guys don't mind if I chill in here a bit do you?
04:08.27pickcodergo away!
04:08.28pickcoderheh
04:08.41Dominian:)
04:08.51petemcDominian: the majority of people idle in here
04:08.53Dominianpickcoder: I just can't get a way from you can I!?
04:09.01petemcso fill yer boots
04:09.42liablehmm, i just realised irssi isn't showing me channel stats anymore..
04:09.53petemcstats?
04:10.13petemcother than /names , what is there?
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04:11.10liableit used to show the number of users and the debhelper threshold
04:11.20petemcah
04:11.33petemcthats not in your status bar?
04:11.47liablenope. and i have no idea how long its been missing
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04:12.37ErrantEgoNO FREENODE STAFF ALLOWED!!
04:12.41petemcgah
04:12.44ErrantEgoits like a virus has been detected
04:12.45petemci meant
04:12.45ErrantEgo:P
04:12.46Dominianbummer
04:12.47Dominian:(
04:12.48petemcdamn you!
04:12.49Dominian;)
04:12.50ErrantEgolol jk
04:13.54pickcoderDominian: so... do you run Debian?
04:14.03Dominianhrm.. not really
04:14.09DominianUsed to long ago
04:14.39petemcback in the day
04:15.03liablewhen i compiled the 0.9 kernel!
04:15.26petemchows the prep for the windows 7 launch party going?
04:15.33pickcodermeh
04:15.37Dominianha.. windows 7
04:15.47DominianI got invited to one of those "launch" parties
04:15.57Dominianand I'm only going because beer is involved :P
04:16.09pickcodermm hm
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04:16.39petemcpunch everyone in the face on my behalf
04:16.48Dominian:)
04:16.50petemcas sceptical as i am
04:16.59DominianI've used the betas
04:17.06DominianThey're better than Vista by a long shot
04:17.16pickcoderI have a feeling I'll be forced to deal with soon enough
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04:17.40petemceven a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day
04:17.58liableheh, whats that got to do with it?
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04:18.12petemcbadgers?
04:18.20liablemushrrom!
04:18.24liableroom even
04:18.32petemcroms better
04:18.34pickcodermushrom.. I've programmed those before
04:19.13shivrajAMD K10 thermal sensors...                                  Success! (driver `to-be-written')
04:19.16shivraj:(
04:20.45pickcodershivraj: see if it's suppored under 2.6.30
04:20.56pickcoderyou can get the kernel/modules from bpo
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04:22.18shivrajpickcoder: backports ?
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04:22.39pickcoderyup
04:22.50petemcyou know what internet needs? some way to search it
04:22.58pickcoderyahoo!
04:23.21petemcsomebody should index websites
04:23.38shivrajpetemc: ?
04:23.58petemcshivraj: im brainstorming
04:24.21sollermuni smell a dirty troll
04:24.38pickcoderI don't smell!
04:24.39petemctrying to use a solution orientated approach to the problem
04:24.44liableyou need your nose checked
04:24.44petemcthinking outside the box
04:24.48shivrajpetemc: atleast google admits there search is just a lookup table, its not a very meaningful search .. or whatever the word is for that
04:25.38petemcits a big table
04:26.34liablefish
04:26.43petemcno feet
04:26.50liablepast midday, to drink, or not..
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04:27.01Caelumdoes apt-get ignore holds?
04:27.09CaelumI had a couple packages I put on hold upgraded
04:27.19petemcliable: i always had you as a westerner
04:27.27pickcoderheh... I love this video: http://www.wwaytv3.com/node/18044
04:27.34pickcoderhappy birthday "Internet" is the title
04:27.36pickcoderer
04:27.39pickcoderWorld Wide Web..
04:27.52liablepetemc: i'm as far west as I can go!
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04:27.57petemcheh
04:28.21pickcodernot only is the public ignorant of what Internet and WWW are, but apparently so is the reporter
04:28.54petemcreporter in clueless shocker
04:28.57petemcfilm at 11
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04:29.05shivrajI think this cpu is running a lot smoother while overclocked :) phenom ii x2 - 3.0 ghz
04:29.06pickcoderheh
04:30.04liablefuckit, more beer is the only cure to this hangover..
04:30.04FrankQCLOL
04:30.04petemcthats the medicine
04:30.05FrankQCBeing tipsy + coding = best
04:30.05FrankQCAnd you can't make perl uglier :P
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04:30.28pickcodersure you can
04:30.50shivrajFrankQC: coding + BEER = VISTA ... they serve beer to coders :)
04:30.52pickcodermake all the variables generalized hex values
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04:33.21FrankQCshivraj: i lold
04:33.40petemcperls problem isnt that its hard to write easy to read code
04:33.56petemcits just easy to write hatrd to read code
04:33.58pickcoderpickBASIC!
04:34.03FrankQCD:
04:34.07FrankQCI like progrmaming in perl
04:34.10FrankQCCuz you can be flexible
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04:34.47pickcoderQMOO is pretty neat. It's OOP BASIC for multi-valued data.
04:34.50shivrajFrankQC: you know python rules, and stop writing such dense PERL code dude,
04:35.12FrankQCshivraj: meh, I make my perl scripts so they're easy to read
04:35.16FrankQCshivraj: So they're easy to maintain haha
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04:35.36antuannite all
04:35.45FrankQCantuan: night
04:36.06liableyou joined to say goodnight?
04:37.03antuani need help on how to add a command to the cron every 6 hours to kill a process every day
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04:37.25petemcsuggests liable meditate on inevitable death
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04:37.43liabledeath seems like a good option atm..
04:38.21Dryantasame
04:38.30petemcsuffering is caused by desire
04:38.39Dryantawnt2die
04:38.47antuani need every 6 hours run killall php5-cgi
04:38.59pickcoderantuan: uh.. why?
04:39.10Dryantaantuan: why not cron it? not to mention figure out why lol
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04:39.51antuanDryanta i want cron, but i dont know how do that
04:40.11Dryantaantuan: man cron
04:40.30petemcantuan: cron is no different
04:40.54Dryantafiguring out why its pegging out your proc is prolly a better idea
04:40.54Dryantaimo
04:41.07Dryantaofc you should lrn2cron n e ways
04:41.46petemcperhaps explore fastcgi
04:42.05pickcoderor fix the memory hole in the PHP app
04:42.20pickcoderor switch to the fork MPM on Apache
04:42.21Dryanta^^ all good options
04:42.30Dryantai suggest all
04:42.39petemcexpn life
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04:44.20petemcseriously, do it
04:45.06shivrajpetemc: you need to read about the Bhagavat Gita, no meat eating, no gambling, no illicit sex, and no intoxication ... 4 regulative principles, live spiritually not materialistically
04:45.18liablefuck that
04:45.27Dryanta^^
04:45.45petemcalso, im god
04:45.51shivrajpetemc: haha
04:45.55liableno, your drunk!
04:45.57Dryantaim snortin some norcos drinkin some scotch and rockin out
04:46.26CutMeOwnThroatmy drunk?
04:46.39liablehis
04:46.49CutMeOwnThroatright
04:46.50CutMeOwnThroathis drunk
04:46.56liableyep
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04:47.14liablei don't have one yet, but i'm working on it..
04:47.20petemcconsiders pestilence distribution
04:47.29CutMeOwnThroatjust steal his drunk and you got one
04:47.44liablesome plague always goes down well..
04:47.52CutMeOwnThroatpestilence
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04:48.05CutMeOwnThroatare we being OT in any way?
04:48.13petemcs
04:48.19Dryantaneg
04:48.20DelfHow do I create a bridge between a physical network card and a virtual one?
04:48.28Dryantatap
04:48.39Delfyes, a tap
04:48.57CutMeOwnThroattap dance?
04:48.57DelfI'm trying to set up tincd to run in bridged mode
04:49.40CutMeOwnThroat. o O ( #networking? )
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04:50.44CutMeOwnThroattincd is not even in Debian
04:50.45shivrajpetemc: whats the best form of pestilence ?
04:50.55shivrajpetemc: or should I say worst
04:51.04CutMeOwnThroatSTD... at least you have some fun getting it
04:51.07simonrvnjudd: versions tincd
04:51.08juddsimonrvn: tincd --
04:51.15simonrvnjudd: versions tinc
04:51.16juddsimonrvn: tinc -- etch: 1.0.5-1 lenny: 1.0.8-2 sid: 1.0.9-1 squeeze: 1.0.9-1
04:51.16Delfwhat you mean @ not even in debian?
04:51.31simonrvnCMOT, it is
04:52.12CutMeOwnThroatyou mean what he actually meant is :)
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04:53.19CutMeOwnThroatDelf, you did see /usr/share/doc/tinc/examples/, I guess
04:53.26petemcshivraj: its fairly subjective
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04:53.46petemcthe obvious answer is locusts
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04:54.01petemcbut, we can can contemporize and say aids
04:54.08DelfCutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I did.
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04:55.08CutMeOwnThroatthere's also a manpage on tinc.conf itself
04:55.27liableactually, i saw on the news the other day, a scientist studying the plague, died of the plague. Must have been licking his petri dishes.
04:55.56CutMeOwnThroatwanted to get some hands-on experience...
04:56.08petemctongue-on
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04:56.46CutMeOwnThroator perhaps he read about the Australian scientist who proved that heliobacter pylorii are responsible for stomach ulcers
04:57.05shivrajpetemc: aids, hmm .. thats what you get when you eat meat and spread disease (dna - code) from animal to monkey, caused by idiots in third world eating monkeys (china, africa) .. then with all of the illicit sex it begins to spread, see my four regulative priciples are right, oh they intoxicate before they do the illicit sex too
04:57.21castfrom animal to monkey, haha
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04:57.28petemcwhisky tango foxtrot
04:57.35simonrvnum
04:57.35CutMeOwnThroathehe
04:57.37liablehah
04:57.54shivrajanimal to humans
04:58.02petemceasy tiger
04:58.05liablei think we have a new dalai lama or something..
04:58.10catsupyes, i also blame people with aids for hiv
04:58.12CutMeOwnThroatand it wasn't eating that did it
04:59.12shivrajCutMeOwnThroat: yeah it is, when they handle those meat and the blood from a monkey can come in contact with a cut on the person cutting up the monkey ..
04:59.35petemcput a sock in it
04:59.50castdebian, it only almost has aids in it
04:59.53CutMeOwnThroatwool or cotton?
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05:00.36liablecheese
05:00.49simonrvnhotdogs and cheese
05:00.57CutMeOwnThroatswine flu!
05:00.59simonrvnmoose sausage
05:01.14liablei could go a hotdog actually
05:01.16petemcany one liner to stop daemons starting after upgrades etc?
05:01.54petemcthey're often not wanted, but the default is to start
05:02.02CutMeOwnThroatrcconf?
05:02.06simonrvni've never seen one. i just go for the /etc/init.d / invoke-rc.d thing and rm the rc2.d/ link
05:02.07liablerm link in rcd2
05:02.14liableor whatever it is..
05:02.15petemcum
05:02.56simonrvnyes? :)
05:03.00liablethe suspense is killing me
05:03.01petemcnope
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05:03.08petemcits a policy thing
05:03.13simonrvnheh
05:03.21simonrvnorly?
05:03.28CutMeOwnThroat"um" == ur mom?
05:03.38CutMeOwnThroatthose kids get more lazy by the minute
05:03.42liableno, like, eh
05:03.53simonrvnoh those silly kids :P
05:04.05liableget off my lawn!
05:04.11CutMeOwnThroat"otsk"
05:04.23petemcpesky kidsa
05:04.30liableoontz
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05:05.37petemcapparently, ajdavid = raf256
05:05.48petemcenouf = wols
05:05.49liablenah, stoned
05:05.54liablehuh?
05:06.02petemcim joking
05:06.07liablewhere did that grumpy bastard go anyway?
05:06.36liableoh jeez, i just got a nigerian scam over /msg on irc..
05:06.45petemche failed the terms of his probation
05:06.58petemcback to the clink
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05:07.09liablecouldn't stay away from the zoo?
05:07.19petemccompelled
05:07.25petemczoophilia
05:07.25CutMeOwnThroatliable, but that's cool.. proceed immediately to scam the scammer
05:07.28liableunderstandable
05:09.56petemcfish tank coffee table is a double edged sword
05:10.29CutMeOwnThroatlike... you can go and fight dragons with it?
05:10.37shivrajpetemc: now write code to create virtual bar webapp .. this is a very basic but good start
05:11.03liablenow i'm thinking in pirate
05:11.06petemcfiguratively, not literally
05:11.37petemcshivraj: im managemewnt, i dont code
05:11.47CutMeOwnThroatlooks up what "a fish tank coffee table" used figuratively means
05:11.59liableheh
05:12.00petemcheh
05:12.08petemci got thayt back to front
05:12.14petemcits real
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05:12.41CutMeOwnThroataw, shucks... yesterday... worst case of a fish tank coffee table I ever had
05:12.58liablei want a octopus tank, but alas, being away for work stops me
05:13.00petemcliterally?
05:13.23CutMeOwnThroatI want a billion dollars without having to do anything for it
05:14.00liablesends CutMeOwnThroat some zimbabwean moola
05:14.03petemcfollow the 8 fold path
05:14.31DelfWhat is a moola?
05:14.32liableare you yoda?
05:14.49petemcyoda im not
05:15.03CutMeOwnThroatactually, not necessarily totally nothing to do for it... I would be prepared to indulge in wild sex with gorgeous women to earn it
05:15.09petemcspiritual i am
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05:16.39shivrajCutMeOwnThroat: ironically the people who make billions do nothing to earn it :)
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05:16.59casti'm sure they do something.
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05:17.35CutMeOwnThroatthe people who earn millions are hardworking bankers, though, who spend a lot of time and hard work on driving their banks into bankruptcy...
05:17.37liablethey oppress us.
05:17.41castaLeXy is spamming asking for money :<
05:17.47shivrajcast: Im not so sure, ...
05:18.16petemcthey're lizards
05:18.36CutMeOwnThroatand only us ignorant louts call that "incompetence"
05:18.41liableah, now we're getting to the bottom of it.
05:18.46shivrajaLeXy: stop it dude .. thats not nice and slightly retarded
05:19.44petemcits not pc to use retarded in the pejorative
05:19.59CutMeOwnThroatlet me try to be slightly OT (on-topic)
05:20.08liablethats right, its gay
05:20.12CutMeOwnThroathehe
05:20.13petemcheh
05:20.23KazuhaIts happy?
05:20.29CutMeOwnThroatmuchly
05:20.48petemcand vibrantly coloured
05:21.03shivraj<aLeXy> hello im need help im need money for buying medicine.. please can u help me brother... all people in  the world must helpp some people.. pleose brother my parents sick on hospital im need money for  hospital thanksss helpp me :(
05:21.06liablerainbows!
05:21.15liableyes, alexy needs a kickin
05:21.16petemcshivraj: yes, ignore it
05:21.20aLeXyhello im need help im need money for buying medicine.. please can u help me brother... all people in  the world must helpp some people.. pleose brother my parents sick on hospital im need money for  hospital thanksss helpp me :(
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05:21.36KazuhaThat's about as off-topic as one can get.
05:21.36liablebut if we call ops, then channel becomes sad.
05:21.52hakralexy...
05:21.54hakrwhat
05:21.55hakrthe
05:21.56hakrhell
05:21.57petemcthey might object to our persiflage
05:21.57CutMeOwnThroatbut more spam-free
05:22.07liablehehe
05:22.27aLeXywhy
05:22.31aLeXyi am not spam
05:22.37hakrYes, It IS spam.
05:22.39aLeXyi just people need a help
05:22.42hakrAnd annoying as hell.
05:22.45hakrTake it to another server.
05:22.50hakrThis isn't a charity.
05:22.51liablei had to consult with dict for that one!
05:23.05shivrajOMG ... GRRR.. grrrr.
05:23.18CutMeOwnThroatI get loads of  `.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN5boost9re_detail12perl_matcherIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPKcSsEESaINS_9sub_matchIS6_EEENS_12regex_traitsIcNS_16cpp_regex_traitsIcEEEEE15match_startmarkEv' referenced in section `.rodata' of /home/k/Desktop/almost-1.0.3/src/lib/libAlm.a(instances.o): defined in discarded section `.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN5boost9re_detail12perl_matcherIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPKcSsEESaINS_9sub_matchIS6_EEENS_
05:23.18CutMeOwnThroat12regex_traitsIcNS_16cpp_regex_traitsIcEEEEE15match_startmarkEv' of /home/k/Desktop/almost-1.0.3/src/lib/libAlm.a(instances.o) on a compile...
05:23.20hakrI don't appreciate getting a damn pm because you're scamming for cash.
05:23.31liablewtf?
05:23.45aLeXyi searching one persons can help me with 1130$
05:23.53aLeXyi need to operation
05:23.56hakrSearch somewhere else.
05:23.56CutMeOwnThroatso I thought it's this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-binutils@gnu.org/msg01839.html
05:23.56WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: c++filt can help with those
05:23.56aLeXyi just need a help
05:23.58liableaLeXy: please stop it.
05:24.02hakrSearch somewhere else. <---
05:24.08aLeXyim not crashed anything
05:24.10aLeXyyes
05:24.14aLeXyhelp me and im stop
05:24.18hakror
05:24.22hakryou could piss me off
05:24.26shivrajaLeXy: and how do we send you money ?
05:24.36Delfhow do i install a virtual adapter?
05:24.38hakrbrokeass
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05:24.41Delfa tun?
05:24.42hakrget a job.
05:24.50jayneaLeXy: as I told you in the other channel, this is not the channel or network for that sort of request
05:25.00liableDelf: modprobe the tun module
05:25.04aLeXywestern union
05:25.08shivrajhaha
05:25.12hakrwow
05:25.15Delfliable: modprobe? What is that?
05:25.16hakrspelled that fuckin perfect
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05:25.20CutMeOwnThroatWyzard, wazzat?
05:25.24meshuggahaLeXy, i can help you
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05:25.30hakroh god
05:25.34hakrmeshuggah, have fun ;)
05:25.45liableDelf: are you serious?
05:25.57castaLeXy: have you tried asking jesus?
05:26.01WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: It decodes C++ mangled symbol names to make them more readable
05:26.03hakrlmao
05:26.07CutMeOwnThroataccording to that bug using g++>= 3.4  should have gotten rid of that...
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05:26.07Delfliable: It's my first time with Debian so please treat me as such.
05:26.15hakrJesus loves you. And has free cash for you.
05:26.17meshuggahaLeXy, say me your adress i am gonna send a check
05:26.23liableDelf: modprobe is the command for loading modules.
05:26.28WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: Try this in a shell: c++filt _ZN5boost9re_detail12perl_matcherIN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPKcSsEESaINS_9sub_matchIS6_EEENS_12regex_traitsIcNS_16cpp_regex_traitsIcEEEEE15match_startmarkEv
05:26.29shivrajaLeXy: why are you scared to die ?
05:26.30liablecheque
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05:26.39Delfliable: Oh ok. How do i use it?
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05:26.52aLeXyi have problem with healt
05:26.57aLeXyi need to operation
05:26.57WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: But it sounds like the symbol name may not be the root of the problem in this case, judging by that bug you pointed to
05:27.00liableDelf: modprobe tun (as root) that will create tun0
05:27.03aLeXyi know u all is rich
05:27.05Delfliable: I have become familiar with the root terminal.
05:27.08hakrrich?
05:27.08aLeXymaybe u have lot of money
05:27.10aLeXyhelp me
05:27.11DelfI'll try that now
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05:27.23CutMeOwnThroatWyzard, ah, you're saying the problem is that I can't read those... so I'm barking up the wrong tree, really
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05:27.37hakrwhoever did that
05:27.40liablehow did chanserv do that?
05:27.40hakris fkn awesome
05:27.57CutMeOwnThroattrigger on "help me"
05:27.59WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: No, I'm not claiming to know what the problem is
05:28.00CutMeOwnThroatbloody good idea
05:28.03shivrajthanks to capitalism russia is back in the 3rd world ..
05:28.04hakrah
05:28.05sauvinChanserv was told to by somebody who has operator status in this channel.
05:28.05hakrwell
05:28.09liablewho is driving chanserv?
05:28.10hakrwhoever wrote that bot
05:28.13hakrwins
05:28.21hakrtallies the score
05:28.24sauvinChanserv is a service, not a bot.
05:28.25WyzardCutMeOwnThroat: but you asked a question that included a C++ mangled symbol name, so I thought I'd point out how to decode it
05:28.33hakrchanserv doesn't have filters
05:28.37liableDelf: don't /msg me please, it rude to do so without asking
05:29.01CutMeOwnThroatWyzard, I got to that bug by googling for the more readable part of that error...
05:29.16Delfliable: I'm sorry. Didn't mean to be rude.
05:29.19CutMeOwnThroatwhich might be a common thing in all c++ errors... what do I know :)
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05:29.46Delfdidn't even know its rude to /msg people :/
05:29.50liableDelf: no problem
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05:30.08DelfWe learn something new everyday :)
05:30.18KazuhaQuoth the topic:  "/msg bots NOT people".
05:30.32hakrpoor bots
05:30.39liablethey love it
05:30.49DelfKazuha: I didn't read the topic. I noticed it now.
05:31.04hakri bet they're very depressed
05:31.10DelfWhy is it rude to /msg people anyways?
05:31.16CutMeOwnThroat"I didn't read the topic." ...
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05:31.33hakrDelf, asking first is just common curteousy.
05:31.42petemcDelf: its best to say "can i.."
05:31.42CutMeOwnThroatthere could be a "contact blabla in the channel and get $100" in the topic and nobody would ask blabla for weeks
05:31.44hakrYou wouldn't interrupt someone in a conversation right?
05:31.51hakrSame basic idea.
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05:32.08CutMeOwnThroatpetemc, we can!
05:32.15hakrno u
05:32.16DelfOK. Well I'm not a rude person so excuse me if I appear to be.
05:32.17liablebecause if we wanted one on one, we would use IM or something, not hang in a channel for support
05:32.22shivrajpetemc: Peter pay for paul and paul pay for Al
05:32.22KazuhaWell, I can name another server -- where I won't answer PMs in English unless I know the person PMing me.
05:32.22petemcyeeoowww
05:32.24hakrDelf, not at all.
05:32.52hakrPeople learn from mistakes.
05:32.53liableDelf: its ok, just us irc freaks have our own weird code of conduct, and thats one of them
05:33.00hakryup
05:33.07Delflol
05:33.10petemcshivraj: as much as i like my name, and i named my done daniel, i reject the biblical element
05:33.18petemcdone?
05:33.19hakryou'll pick it up along the way, if you stick around
05:33.20petemcdon
05:33.22hakranywho
05:33.24petemcfuc,
05:33.25hakri'm off to bed
05:33.27petemcson
05:33.27hakrnite all
05:33.27liableyour don?
05:33.28CutMeOwnThroatyeah, you also have to do some weird rituals naked at night in the rain until you're accepted as one of them
05:33.32Delfgoodnight hakr
05:33.41shivrajhaha
05:33.44liablepours petemc another scotch
05:33.47DelfWhat the hell..
05:33.51petemcheh
05:34.46KazuhaAnyone know why hpoj would be able to detect, but not talk to a LaserJet 6L?
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05:34.56DelfWell then. Could somebody help me getting a tun/tap?
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05:35.19liableDelf: loading the module didn't create it? 'ifconfig -a'
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05:36.17Delfliable: Would it say that the module was loaded? Because when I did "modprobe tun" I didn't get any response in the console
05:36.38simonrvnDelf: you wouldn't. check lsmod.
05:36.53liableno response is standard for a correctly executed command
05:36.58liable!errors
05:36.58dpkgIf you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing.  Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
05:37.05petemcor a stunted vm
05:37.17liablebah, whats that one about errors?
05:37.34petemcall errors are your fault
05:37.42liablenope, canadas
05:37.43petemcand complaints directed as such
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05:38.08liablemy factoid database is fading from memory
05:38.11simonrvnliable: i usually blame canada too
05:38.21Delfsimonrvn: I can see a tun below Module in the list. What does that mean?
05:38.27petemcdemands 10gige switching from liable
05:38.35liablesimonrvn: heh, i was hoping you had walked away from the keyboard when i said that!
05:38.36Kazuha"Sep 25 22:35:48 Awkbox ptal-mlcd: ERROR at ExMgr.cpp:2552, dev=<mlc:par:probe@/dev/lp0>, pid=19543, e=11,  t=1253943348         llioOpen: No supported interface on this device!" being the error message that appears in the log.
05:38.57liablepetemc: are you facebook?
05:39.10petemcnegative
05:40.49DelfWhen I navigate to /dev I don't see anything to do with tun
05:41.04liablenetwork devices dont show in /dev
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05:41.13DelfWhen I try to lunch tincd it tells me that there is no such file or directory :/
05:41.17liabledid you do 'ifconfig -a' like i suggested?
05:41.23squisheranyone here happen to use hamachi on sid, and got problems recently with broadcasts?
05:41.26Delfliable: yes, no tun there.
05:41.29petemc<PROTECTED>
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05:41.48liableoh, well, kick me in the balls then..
05:41.53CutMeOwnThroat!tun
05:41.53dpkgmethinks tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
05:42.17liableugh, actually i recall having to use mknod for tun..
05:42.21shivrajI think I will have to come back tomorrow to get my soundcard working ..
05:42.26CutMeOwnThroat!factinfo tun
05:42.26dpkgtun -- created by za <~za@adsl213-130-157-217.as15444.net> at Tue Dec 17 12:57:39 2002 (2474 days); it has been requested 30 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 34s ago.
05:42.35CutMeOwnThroat2002...
05:42.38liablemy memory is going to the dogs..
05:42.48Delflmao @ dogs
05:43.22petemci should have some factoids from 98 or 99
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05:43.54shivrajliable: I upgraded to 1800mhz ddr3 but I dont think its working at that speed yet
05:43.58petemcabout haircuts and tracksuits and such
05:44.08liablewhen you installed slackware from *two* floppies?
05:44.15CutMeOwnThroat"!find the oldest factoid"
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05:44.21CutMeOwnThroathehe
05:44.32petemci was phlebas then
05:44.36simonrvnliable: oh don't worry, i just happen to share the same land mass they claim ;).
05:44.47petemcand sussudio ruled this chanel with an iron fist
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05:44.56simonrvn(falsely claim)
05:45.00petemcor mwilson
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05:45.10k]ttesting has raped me.
05:45.10Delfliable: what is mknod ? @ for tun.
05:45.35petemcsimonrvn: and you had ops!
05:45.42liablesimonrvn: i know. my memory fails me for a lot of shit, but it retains some bizzarely trivial shit, like where fellow irc people live! :)
05:45.42k]tbut its enjoyable
05:45.55liableyour mwilson!
05:46.12liablei miss that grumpy asshole
05:46.14petemcsurly bstd
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05:47.16DelfPlease, anyone help?
05:48.04liableDelf: uh sorry, i was vaguing out.. mknod is a tool for making device nodes. probably googling for a tun tutorial would be best.
05:48.11CutMeOwnThroatDelf, read the factoid I called up?
05:48.24DelfWhat is factoid?
05:48.31Delfgoogles
05:48.35liablewhat dpkg spits out
05:48.36CutMeOwnThroat<dpkg> methinks tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
05:48.43petemcis mknod still relevant?
05:48.45CutMeOwnThroatthat factoid
05:48.52CutMeOwnThroatwell...
05:48.56liablei think it is for tun
05:48.56CutMeOwnThroatI guess in this case it might?
05:49.02petemcif its not there..
05:49.08CutMeOwnThroatudev wouldn't be able to know it's needed
05:49.17CutMeOwnThroatI guess
05:49.21liablei had to use it for openvpn i think, about two years ago, and udev was installed
05:49.41CutMeOwnThroatso it'd be one of the rare cases where you need to make the device yourself
05:49.49CutMeOwnThroatright
05:49.51CutMeOwnThroatand you're liable
05:50.24liablenot here
05:50.33liableim an abberation
05:50.47CutMeOwnThroatdid you ever change your nick to "likeable" and fool them all?
05:50.59liablewouldn't work
05:51.05CutMeOwnThroatlikable?
05:51.11liableyeah
05:51.13meshuggahlolol
05:51.21CutMeOwnThroatwow
05:51.36petemcdid you ever cut yout own throat?
05:51.37CutMeOwnThroatthat was *exactly* the type of comment I expected from someone with the nick meshuggah
05:51.38liablequake!
05:52.03meshuggahCutMeOwnThroat, not it is cause of alexy
05:52.03CutMeOwnThroatpetemc, permanently, figuratively
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05:52.20meshuggahCutMeOwnThroat, i scared him away
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05:52.57Delfmeshuggah: Are you assyrian?
05:53.06liablewtf?
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05:53.24liablewho put some in the water today?
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05:53.29liablesomething*
05:53.34meshuggahDelf, i am human
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05:53.58Delfmeshuggah: Oh, OK.
05:54.00und3rgr0undz3r0I havea laptop with a wifi card but its broadcom. if I install debian using the 4 floppy images will I be able to connect to the internet
05:54.02und3rgr0undz3r0?
05:54.09liableno
05:54.20meshuggahDelf, are you human?
05:54.27liablewe don't do floppies anymore
05:54.31Delfmeshuggah: My body is.
05:54.32und3rgr0undz3r0http://linux.simple.be/debian/etch/floppy
05:54.34shivrajmeshuggah: it would be more interesting if you werent
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05:54.46und3rgr0undz3r0liable, see my link
05:54.48liableoh, etch and 2.4 kernel
05:55.00petemcthou shalt not worship false gods
05:55.03und3rgr0undz3r0yeah, I can upgrade from there, if needed
05:55.13liableund3rgr0undz3r0: still no. broadcoms needs firware
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05:55.25liablefucking hell, firmware
05:55.42und3rgr0undz3r0hmm, would I be booted into an GUI where I could maybe find a free Dial up to get the firmware?
05:55.45liablecant type today..
05:56.07petemcund3rgr0undz3r0: its best to have it before the fact
05:56.09liableund3rgr0undz3r0: i dont even know if the bcm driver was in that kernel either
05:56.37liablewireless was pretty shit back then
05:57.11und3rgr0undz3r0any decent linux distro that can boot into X and let me use wifi?
05:57.21petemcubuntu
05:57.24liableund3rgr0undz3r0: why the need for floppies?
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05:57.37und3rgr0undz3r0No CD drive or network card except wifi
05:57.47und3rgr0undz3r0its and old panasonic toughbook, built for win 98
05:58.05und3rgr0undz3r0I got 256 ram in here but its running XP
05:58.10petemc->bin
05:58.27CutMeOwnThroatgoodbyewindows.exe?
05:58.29greenmang0und3rgr0undz3r0: USB ??
05:58.43CutMeOwnThroathmpf, but that needs net just as much
05:58.51und3rgr0undz3r0no USB 2.0 and the exe says it cant download the files it needs for some reason
05:59.05petemcwe're not exploiting third world countries so you can use old hardware
05:59.14liablehah
05:59.34CutMeOwnThroatnothing wrong with USB 1.0 except for the speed...
05:59.42und3rgr0undz3r0heh
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05:59.56liablenothing wrong with something that sucks, except its suckiness..
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06:00.24CutMeOwnThroatlike a vacuum cleaner (see how I kept this family friendly?)
06:00.55castholds back on rant about the fuckery involved while plugging in USB [try once, rotate 180 degrees, try again]
06:01.02shivrajwow .. goodbye-microsoft.com now I wont have to tell my relatives to go to the store and get me a blank cd or try to find cd burning progs to burn a cd ..
06:01.16liablehands cast an eyeball to see the little usb icon
06:01.21und3rgr0undz3r0so yeah, is there ANY more ideas?
06:01.46CutMeOwnThroatstill got windows on it?
06:01.53CutMeOwnThroatanyway, you can install from usb
06:02.00CutMeOwnThroatalbeit slow, it'd work
06:02.01castreaches around the back of liable's computer and plugs all his usb devices
06:02.08liabledoubt the bios would let it
06:02.12CutMeOwnThroatoh
06:02.21petemcliables been waiting for a reacharound
06:02.24liablenooo, my usb dildo!
06:02.35casthaha.
06:02.37und3rgr0undz3r0heh,
06:02.47und3rgr0undz3r0yeah i have usb 1.1 no way to boofrom it
06:02.59und3rgr0undz3r0I still have XP on this thing, and like just under 3 gb HD space
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06:03.03CutMeOwnThroatsure would - if you boot from floppy into the usb stick
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06:03.59und3rgr0undz3r0CutMeOwnThroat, using SMB?
06:04.54CutMeOwnThroatno, I thought along the lines of using linux root=/dev/sda1whateverusbstickbecomes
06:04.58liableund3rgr0undz3r0: this is old, but may help. http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
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06:05.36liableund3rgr0undz3r0: a lenny installer will ask for firmware if it detects your wifi, and it should accept it from a floppy.
06:05.39CutMeOwnThroatthere was also some program for windows that let you boot from usb from the windows bootloader
06:06.11und3rgr0undz3r0hmm
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06:06.23petemcfuckoffosx.exe
06:06.26und3rgr0undz3r0will wakepup let you install from a USB stick?
06:06.27liableund3rgr0undz3r0: using that tutorial ^^ and the hd-image kernel and initrd should work.
06:06.38und3rgr0undz3r0I might do that thanks liable
06:06.48petemcsuckmycockwindows7.exe
06:07.00liablei did some time back, should still be relevant
06:07.03petemcgoes to bed
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06:07.11liable'bout time!
06:07.21petemcthats rich comin from you!
06:07.29petemcetc etc
06:07.29liablei just woke up!
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06:08.04liableim not going to get any saner either.. scary thought for today
06:08.04petemcwhy you cotton pickin...
06:08.08CutMeOwnThroatdammit, I wish I could remember what it was called, though
06:08.20vubuntor2785hi all, can I install libgtk1.2 in testing ?
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06:08.40liableyes, if your house has the right xen
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06:09.30vubuntor2785liable:
06:09.39liablemhmm
06:09.44vubuntor2785liable: what do you mean ?
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06:10.25liablevubuntor2785: why do you need libgtk1.2? that sort of lib is likely to be a fucking nightmare to backport.
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06:10.47liableor forport? is it old or new?
06:11.09petemcor somewhere in between
06:11.12vubuntor2785liable: I need libgtk1.2 to compile xmms 1.2 :)
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06:11.17liableoff with you!
06:11.20petemcheh
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06:12.09liablevubuntor2785: more like its headers, get its source and compile it into /opt
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06:13.36petemccompiling librarys sucks
06:13.39liableor whereever thats not going to fuck the rest of the system..
06:13.48liabletotally
06:14.00liablenot being able to spell is even worse
06:14.34petemci can imagine
06:14.49liablefine, just leave without thanking us then! *sniff*
06:15.03petemcunzips
06:15.10liableuh
06:15.14petemcheh
06:15.17petemcim joking
06:15.31liablethats what they all say
06:15.46petemcdont speak with your mouth full
06:16.00liableuh, hardly full at all!
06:16.17petemczing
06:16.45liablemy god, i think stew or azeem would have a fucking fit if they read the backlog..
06:17.36petemcthankfully, im a better arm wrestler than box
06:17.39liablei prolly shouldnt have highlighted them..
06:17.41petemcboth
06:17.55petemcwhen i turn my hat around..
06:18.01liableonly your right hand though i bet.
06:18.01themillwonders what's got in to #d this morning
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06:18.21liablebooze
06:18.32petemcfew lines
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06:18.43liableoh, dont tease me!
06:19.05liableer
06:19.15liablethat didnt come out right..
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06:19.32petemcit often doesnt
06:19.41petemcmorning stu!
06:19.58liablespelling, again
06:20.04petemcsic
06:20.12liableyes, you are
06:20.26liabletwisted likley too..
06:20.37liableoops
06:20.46simonrvnyou guys are drunk eh?
06:20.52liablei fail at being grammar nazi
06:21.06liableworking on it
06:21.06petemcat least one of us is
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06:21.35liablemostly just batshit crazy
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06:26.53liablewell then..
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06:29.53CutMeOwnThroatund3rgr0undz3r0, I'm not completely sure anymore... but I think that's what I used to boot from USB although the BIOS didn't support it...  http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
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06:30.15und3rgr0undz3r0Thanks!
06:30.17CutMeOwnThroatright
06:30.20CutMeOwnThroatUSB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI)
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06:30.24CutMeOwnThroatlooks like that was the bugger
06:31.09CutMeOwnThroathell, this was hard to find...
06:31.15liabledo those old bioses still have network boot? my old TP did.
06:31.15CutMeOwnThroatprobably had the wrong keywords for google
06:31.21und3rgr0undz3r0can debian even run on a 300mhz cpu with 256mb ram?
06:31.26CutMeOwnThroatsure
06:31.30liabletotally
06:31.44dv_absolutely
06:32.08liablemost of the tightwads in this channel have 300M and 32MB they stole out of dumpsters
06:32.11CutMeOwnThroatyou might ease a bit on the KDE bit, though
06:32.13castund3rgr0undz3r0: definitely
06:32.25dv_liable, please, spare me such luxuries
06:32.29CutMeOwnThroator compiz :)
06:32.30und3rgr0undz3r0because im looking at puppy for now, anyone here ever use puppy?
06:32.31castund3rgr0undz3r0: my desktop is 2x those specs, and runs pretty fast
06:32.44dv_liable, 32MB .... sheesh
06:32.55und3rgr0undz3r0cast are you running gnome?
06:32.55liabledv_: just a punchcard reader?
06:33.03castund3rgr0undz3r0: nah, i'm not silly.
06:33.05dv_and core memory
06:33.13petemcMem:        126092
06:33.16und3rgr0undz3r0I figured as much, text based?
06:33.20liabledot matrix printer?
06:33.22castgnome/kde make dual cores with 4gb of ram slow
06:33.23CutMeOwnThroat!plop
06:33.23dpkgmethinks plop is another one of Josh's stupid words. Sheesh.
06:33.25CutMeOwnThroat:(
06:33.26dv_of course
06:33.29lumisohaithar, getting a new laptop soon; anyone got a good, debian-friendly one they'd recommend ?
06:33.33liable5 ton hard drive?
06:33.33dv_noisy and slow
06:33.51dv_custom made by ibm
06:34.06castlumis: i'd look at thinkpads, or if you want something small a eee 1000
06:34.15dv_and an experimental 8" floppy disk drive
06:34.17und3rgr0undz3r0CutMeOwnThroat, Thank you SOO Much, im gonna love this
06:34.17liabletape drives and blinking lights!?
06:34.25CutMeOwnThroatany idea for a name for a factoid for that bootloader?
06:34.42CutMeOwnThroatI think it's actually not such an uncommon problem that you can't boot from usb on older machines...
06:34.43liable901 eee
06:34.49CutMeOwnThroatbut don't have so many other options
06:35.35CutMeOwnThroat!plop me
06:35.35dpkgplops cutmeownthroat into a giant vat of herring
06:35.47lumiscast: cheers, will have a look
06:35.51liablex series thinkpads are the win
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06:36.19lumisliable: they're currently top of my list ;)
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06:36.31dv_the sl300 aint bad tho
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06:36.57liableis that a lenovo model?
06:37.00dv_yeah
06:37.10liablesame quality?
06:37.18dv_doesnt feel cheaper
06:37.25dv_glare screen though
06:37.28liablegood keyboard?
06:37.34dv_oh yes the keyboard is nice
06:37.39castwhy are glare screens so damned common
06:37.46liablei think its the best thing about TP's
06:38.01liableand the clit
06:38.05dv_now all I need to do is to get myself 790€
06:38.10dv_and then I get myself one
06:38.29dv_I also like the overall TP designs
06:38.44dv_they just feel robust and sturdy
06:39.10dv_i dont get the feeling they are being held together by duct tape
06:39.16liableand look like a laptop, not a fucking fasion accesory
06:39.24simonrvnrez laptop!
06:39.33simonrvn(with the duct tape)
06:40.28dv_as a comparison,
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06:40.49dv_if laptops were starships, most would try to look like the enterprise from the 2009 star trek movie
06:40.58dv_while thinkpads look like the ship from alien
06:41.27liablethe r series sucks though
06:41.30dv_or better, like the battlestar galactica from the reimagined series
06:42.33lumisif my laptop were a starship, it'd be Battlestar Galactica xD
06:42.41lumisolder than the fucking internet but it still keeps going
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06:43.24dv_and extremely tough
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06:43.50dv_seriously, I want the mindset of the engineers of that thing applied to today's technology
06:43.53lumisdv_: ya very
06:43.57CutMeOwnThroat!usb install
06:43.58dpkgYes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 .  To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>.  (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/).  BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
06:44.05CutMeOwnThroatseems it still fit at the end :))
06:44.20dv_already 50 years old, totally obsolete, yet it still works, and works ...
06:44.21lumisdv_: got a 9yo Apple Powerbook G3 atm :P
06:44.33dv_today stuff breaks after _three_ years
06:44.37liablesorry
06:44.46lumistrue that
06:44.59CutMeOwnThroatyou sure you mean _years_?
06:45.24liableactually, even my t60p has had a new keyboard and fan
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06:45.52liableshit design for air inlets
06:46.06lumismy sister's HP laptop running Vistaids has been sent for repair about 4 times in the 6 months since she got it
06:46.12lumisI will never buy an HP :P
06:46.13liablet43 was fucked for that too
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06:48.10lumisthe TP X200 looks pretty awesome
06:49.05cahootlooks
06:49.20liablelike
06:49.38liablebacon!
06:49.49CutMeOwnThroatpigflu!
06:49.51cahootfrancis?
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06:50.09lumiso lawd price-tag
06:50.15liableok, i think i ave officialy lost the plot..
06:50.33lumiswasn't aware that there was a plot
06:50.54liableyeah, expensive fuckers. but old good ones can be had on the cheap
06:51.29lumisI'll have a look for a refurb or something
06:51.53casttoshiba sell opensolaris laptops, btw,
06:52.05liablei saw some x series in a store for 600. good deal i thought
06:52.56lumis$600?
06:53.08liableyeah, aussie dollars
06:53.13lumisahh right
06:53.21Tiredis there any program in Debian that makes those bloody Thumbs.db files or are they all from exposure with windows software via smb?
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06:53.44castthey're from windows
06:53.46liableTired: your window manager likely
06:53.53liableoh
06:54.00liableignore me
06:54.03simonrvnTired: nope. gimp used to put thumbnails in the same dir, but now it uses ~/.thumbnails
06:54.10Tired<PROTECTED>
06:54.18liabledo it!
06:54.23simonrvnyou can just find and rm those buggers
06:54.29Tiredand the world will be rockin to it?
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06:54.47liablenope, implosion is likely
06:54.56Tiredsimonrvn, I know... I just wonder what damn thing makes them turn up again
06:54.58simonrvn's head implodes
06:55.13Tired's left leg implodes
06:55.15liablesorry 'bout that
06:55.20simonrvnTired: probably that deprecated os called windows
06:55.36Tiredmabbe that
06:55.51Tiredspecially since they're all over the place
06:56.06liablejust delete that shit
06:57.28Tiredall over the place like a mad womans shit
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06:57.59NeeesatHello to all
06:58.31liablehehe
06:58.43NeeesatCan some point me to an easy software or way to clone complete debian Hard Disks?
06:58.47Tired(I actually googled that)
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06:58.55lumisNeeesat: dd
06:58.58liablecheat!
06:59.08castdd is hard, ct is easier
06:59.11castuh, cat.
06:59.25Neeesatct?
06:59.34lumisNeeesat: Listen to cast :)
06:59.42TiredNeeesat, depends a bit on what you exactly want to do...
06:59.54liableNeeesat: if you want a ghost kindof thing, there is one, but i forget its name. otherwise theres shitloads of ways to backup a linux system
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07:00.01NeeesatI want to build one system and clone the disk to other ones
07:00.10Tiredare they exactly the same size?
07:00.20cahoot!clone
07:00.20Neeesatnot the same size
07:00.20dpkgour $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)
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07:00.38Tired!pal cahoot
07:00.38dpkgpoints at cahoot and laughs hysterically
07:00.45liablecahoot: you broke it! don will be angry..
07:01.00Tired!debian clone
07:01.00dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
07:01.14liablethats not what he wants
07:01.21Tirednot so much :)
07:01.47liablehmm, my memory is still failing me, whats that ghostlike app?
07:01.51cahootwhat's so wrong with an off topic answer anyway
07:02.11liablenothing, channels a bit nutty today anyway
07:02.13TiredNeeesat, copy the whole thing to an external disk with tar ... lemme see if I find the options
07:02.25liable!backup
07:02.25dpkgfrom memory, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ...
07:02.36Tiredthen e.g. plug in the disk in a new machine...
07:02.37casti should do a backup one day
07:02.46NeeesatI want to build a full system and clone the full disk to another empty one
07:02.50liablejesus christ, who fucked that factoid up?
07:03.14liableit used to have usefull info in it..
07:03.26simonrvn!factinfo backup
07:03.26dpkgbackup -- last modified at Sat Jan 26 08:45:03 2008 by Supaplex!i=supaplex@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com; it has been requested 85 times, last by liable, 1m 1s ago.
07:03.36liablefigures..
07:04.03TiredNeeesat, you can also clone with tar over the network... but it's kinda slow
07:04.31Neeesata bootable CD somehow and make clone of the disk in comand line selections
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07:04.46castyou could clone with cat over the network too \m/
07:04.49liableyes, there is an app that does that
07:05.11casthmmm, actually, you might be able to do it with just < > and ssh
07:05.26castmore people should use lvm.
07:05.46Neeesatcan you copy system file too?
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07:05.57Neeesatfiles
07:06.12Neeesatsome of the are protected I suppose
07:06.27castyeah, tar will miss some things iirc, selinux things i suspect
07:06.31liablenot /dev
07:06.54NeeesatI need to clone a full disk
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07:07.23simonrvn/proc /dev
07:07.41liablewell, you dont want to clone /dev, /proc or /sys
07:07.48castahh, star will get will get xattrs
07:08.08NeeesatI want to copy all
07:08.26TiredNeeesat, put disk in external drive, partition it, mount it to /somedir, then tar --one-file-system -cvpsf - / | tar -C /somedir -xpsf -
07:08.28castdiscovers gtar now has xattrs support :o
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07:08.55simonrvn/sys too
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07:09.18Tiredyou mean exclude sys?
07:09.21liablehmm, lag?
07:09.31castTired: presuming his last statement was accurate "I need to clone a full disk", that won't work, you'll only copy the files within the filesystem
07:09.32Tiredand /proc
07:09.43simonrvnliable: yes lag
07:09.51liablethought so :)
07:09.55simonrvnTired: yes exclude those, what liable said
07:10.08Tiredcast, well... repeating for multiple partition is... trivial?
07:10.14castTired: there's also his MBR to worry about
07:10.31castone of those "wait i cloned it but IT WONT BOOT" moments
07:10.32liableno need for that
07:10.36Tiredheh
07:11.01liablewell, maybe if you are that way inclined..
07:11.08Tiredcast, indeed... I cloned multiple machines that way... but it's not trivial to explain in 1 irc line or two :)
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07:11.48liablefuck me, i still! cant think of that ghost clone that is probably perfect for what he wants
07:12.06TiredNeeesat, what they say.. you also need to run update-grub/lilo on the drive to re-install the MBR
07:12.08infinity1anyone know whats going on with hurricane electric?
07:12.20NeeesatI am building multible systems and I was wondering if there is a bootable CD which can clone me the disk to an ISO and burn it to a DVD and then clone it back to a new disk.
07:12.49castNeeesat: ahh...now we're in different territory
07:13.13liablepartimage!
07:13.28liableyou useless bastards!
07:13.34Neeesatpartimage is a software?
07:13.38liableyes
07:13.41Tiredno, it's a toad
07:13.45castNeeesat: are they to go on a network?
07:13.53mr_crowleya toad??? can you lick it??
07:14.12liablemr_crowley: you're a queenslander aren't you?
07:14.19NeeesatI prefer to make a bootable DVD
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07:14.34Neeesatand then use that to clone it to a new disk
07:14.40Tiredguess partimage is the bugger
07:14.43Tirederr, toad
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07:15.17liablenimred: it can be run from certain livecd's
07:15.18mr_crowleyhaha no im not
07:15.40liablesure
07:15.48Tirednimred?
07:16.00castNeeesat: if you really do have a lot of systems to do, might be worth looking at FAI
07:16.01liabletoad licking is the domain of queenslanders
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07:16.22liablereally, he should be looking at preseeding the installer..
07:16.37Neeesatsustem rescue CD 1.3?
07:16.41Neeesatsystem
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07:18.30liablei think it still sucks (quietly)
07:18.42Tiredsucks toads?
07:18.44nimredliable ?
07:18.49casti quite liked using its tools to build my own
07:19.02liablenimred: what?
07:19.13castthen i can get important things like latex, and none of the sillyness like xorg
07:19.14nimred< liable> nimred: it can be run from certain livecd's
07:19.15mr_crowleyim on it
07:19.32liablenimred: oh, shit. sorry, nicktab borkage
07:19.35jmarsdenNeeesat: g4u is a disk cloning app you might check out.  Also look at clonezilla
07:19.54Tiredliable, dammit, you're dim! you gotta SMOKE the toads http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/9624/thetoad.html
07:20.11liableTired: nope, like the back of the head.
07:20.22liablecane toads
07:20.24mr_crowleynice link
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07:20.41nimredi am following http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html to restore grub
07:20.57liableand..
07:20.59nimredbut i can not locate fdisk nor grub on DVD
07:21.07nimredany idea ?
07:21.21mr_crowleygrub-install ?
07:21.23liableyou dont need them to fix grub. boot the installer in rescue mode
07:21.32nimrednor grub-install
07:21.46nimredliable wich way ?
07:21.59liablenimred: rescue as boot option to it
07:22.08Tired"smoke a toad" that has a certain ring to it that every marketing guy just gotta love
07:22.22liablecomes up with grub fixy magiccy stuff
07:22.23nimredliable and after that what do i have o do ?
07:22.29tomeHowdy all. I just installed a fresh copy of debian testing and happened to select some tasks which installed Evolution. When I try to do apt-get remove evolution, there are a ton of gnome packages that it claims need to be removed because of that. Has anyone seen this? Is it a bug or does it make sense somehow.
07:23.02mr_crowleyevolution is part of the package
07:23.08tomeahhh
07:23.21liableTired: evolution is a fucking nightmare. the packages are likely meta packages.
07:23.24tomebut there is an evolution package
07:23.30tomeand there is a gnome-power-manager package
07:23.38nimredliable ?
07:23.49liablefucking hell
07:23.59liabletome: ^^ that was for you
07:24.02liablenimred: what?
07:24.04tomegotcha.
07:24.13tomewhy would evolution be bundled with gnome, uggggg
07:24.18liabletome: paste the output somewhere
07:24.22Tiredthe fucking hell was for tome? :)
07:24.24nimred< nimred> liable and after that what do i have o do ?
07:24.38liablebecause its part of the desktop task, and gnome-desktop package
07:24.54liablenimred: its self explainitory
07:25.07cahoottome: I think it gets pulled in if you din't decalre --without-recommends
07:25.14tomebut my other system, also testing, which I did not use tasksel, has gnome and no evolution
07:25.18tomei believe
07:25.40nimredliable what do you mean ?
07:25.45Neeesatpartimage can only backup only one partition at a time and to be restored back you have to have an installed operating system on the disk
07:25.59liabletome: the big de's like gnome and kde have various meta packages that install various levels of bloat
07:26.22tomeI'm getting inspired to reinstall the system : (
07:26.23Tiredtome, "apt-rdepends -r evolution"?
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07:26.57liablenimred: just do it, and you'll see. if you boot the debian installer, with the boot option of 'rescue', then fixing brub is an option in the menu.
07:27.13Tiredtome, gnome-desktop-environment depends on it, which is the meta-package that pulls in all gnome-stuff...
07:27.20liableTired: he'll need to see a counseler after seeing that!
07:27.39Tiredliable, you're liable!
07:27.43tomebut I do have gnome desktop running on my other system
07:27.46tomewithout evo
07:27.50nimredah ok thanks i will try
07:28.00tomeso I must not have the meta package, but somehow got enough to get the gnome desktop running
07:28.09liabletome: im stupid
07:28.13liableerm
07:28.16liablejeez
07:28.24liablei give up
07:28.35Tiredtome, gnome-desktop-environment is just a metapackage... it pulls the other gome stuff in - but it doesn't need to be installed for all the gnome stuff to be present
07:28.52Tired!metapackage
07:28.52dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience.  It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line.  The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
07:29.29Tiredtome, ... actually, pastebin what apt-get remove evolution tells you
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07:29.34Tiredso we don't have to guess
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07:30.16Tiredoh, liable said that already 5 minutes ago
07:30.19Tiredwell, I'm tired :)
07:30.28tomemandatory removal: evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins gnome gnome-desktop-environment
07:30.42liablehthey are all meta packages
07:31.01liablethe gnome ones..
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07:31.17Tiredliable, actually the toad-substance is still legal in the US, it seems... about to change soon, though... should cook up a batch QUICKLY :)(
07:31.21tomeI'm gonna try to pull the package list from my other box, that has gnome but no evo, and see which package I need
07:31.28dutchfishliable, does that there now kde ones on squeeze?
07:31.37tomeOr better yet, I'm going to rip out all this stuff and use blackbox : ) and keep the gnome libraries
07:31.52liableTired: go for mushrooms, toad stuff is poisen.
07:32.16liabledutchfish: didn't make much sense to my alcohol addled brain.
07:32.31dutchfishliable, does imply that there ate now kde ones on squeeze?*
07:32.53dutchfishliable or are there equiv for kde now in squeeze?
07:33.04liabledutchfish: kde has the same sort of meta packages, yes. if thats what you are asking?
07:33.08tomeThanks liable, Tired!
07:33.15dutchfishliable, thanks
07:33.30liablenp
07:33.55Tiredtome, that's ALL that is removed?
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07:34.36Tiredyou definitely don't need the packages  gnome and gnome-desktop-environment
07:34.56dutchfishliable,  evolution is suggested by openoffice-org-evolution wich pulls in still alot of gnome stuff wich i dont want
07:35.50liabledutchfish: so dont install that package either, which is probably part of the OO metapackage
07:35.51tomeTired, that was all the mandatory, there was a long other list, but this chat is not on that computer so I could not cut/pastie
07:36.06tomeTired, I am trying to just rip out evo and whatever gnome stuff goes with it too bad
07:36.11dutchfishliable gnome-desktop-data{a}  gnome-pilot{a} gnome-pilot-conduits{a} gnome-user-guide{a}
07:36.18liabledutchfish: i dont recall OO doing that to me
07:36.36Tiredtome, most likely things start being autoremoved because only those metapackages pulled them in
07:36.55liabledutchfish: check its depends, and search for one that doesnt have it
07:36.56Tired!autoremove
07:36.57dpkgsomebody said autoremove was used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.  Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>.
07:37.03Tired!unmarkauto
07:37.03dpkgIs aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed?  This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more.  Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
07:37.11dutchfishliable, ok, so after last night update it is still not fixed, but htnaks for the info
07:37.27tomeTired, yup, and it seems that gnome desktop survived!
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07:37.44liabletome: whats your usual nick?
07:37.59liableTired: ^^
07:38.05liablegah
07:38.05tomeliable, it's this nick, why?
07:38.16liablemy nicktab foo is broken
07:38.16Tiredhe he he
07:38.19liabletome: sorry
07:39.15tomeTired, now I ran autoremove, and will try to put back in things like gnome-core and whatever other nice things I want to keep.
07:39.22tomelike gdb : )
07:39.26tomeoops gdm
07:39.39Tiredyou should have run unmarkauto before
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07:40.02tomeTired, eh I don't mind , some of the wheat with the chaff
07:40.28liablemmmm, chaff..
07:41.08Tiredlike in ... dpkg -s gnome-desktop-environment |grep Depend |sed 's/Depends:/apt-get unmarkauto/;s/([^)])//g;s/,/ /g'
07:41.15g00se\nick ~g00se
07:41.31Tiredliable, I used to be partial to cut my own throat
07:41.39`lazyHello
07:41.40liableoh right
07:42.04`lazyI'm trying to install ATI 9.3 drivers to my squeeze and i'm facing this problme: http://pastebin.com/d73c96ebc
07:42.08liableTired: your bot foo was too good for a nick i didnt recognise
07:42.13`lazyAny ideas what is the problem
07:42.31tomeTired, but 90% of the stuff I was happy to get rid off (gnome games, rhythmbox, etc. so better to let them all go down the toilet and then pull in gdm
07:42.45Tiredliable, your current nicktab foo marks you as a noob though :-P
07:42.45tomebut it's good to know how to do what you suggested for the future
07:42.57liable!kill Tired
07:42.57dpkgrips off Tired's balls with his teeth
07:43.13tomeack
07:43.25liabletome: i'm hungover and working on being drunk! gimme a break!
07:43.30liablefuck
07:43.36tomeliable, haha no worries
07:43.41liablebangs head on desk
07:43.42Tiredhair of the cat or sumthin
07:44.05liableor toad
07:44.10Tiredright
07:44.25`lazymaybe too early since no ideas ...
07:44.26`lazy:)
07:44.29Tired`lazy, eww...
07:44.29`lazyhangover peeps
07:44.36Tiredyour 1st mistake is to use such an installer
07:44.44tomefriend was nice enough to give me an nvidia geforce 8800 so I could run dual monitors at 1900x1200, that;'s why this whole mess started... happy that the nvidia driver compiled so easily for my kernel
07:45.05TiredI thought ati has a nice open source driver now?
07:45.09`lazyTired: should i sh ati-driver-installer-8-12-x86.x86_64.run .buildpkg ?
07:45.12liableit does
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07:45.31liablesucks to be on stable though
07:45.36Tired!fglrx
07:45.36dpkgfrom memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver.  To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary .  As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead.  #ati on irc.freenode.net.
07:45.44Tiredgrmp
07:46.14Tired`lazy, look at the stuff in the wiki instead...
07:46.45Tiredusing the installer may seem the preferred way for someone lazy, but will be no joy in the end
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07:47.02liablefor what?
07:47.11Tiredfglrx?
07:47.30TiredI only hope there's no rubbish on the wiki...
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07:47.36liableoh, that installer. well the debian one doesnt work with the 30 kernel apparently
07:47.45Tiredoh
07:47.48liableor 31, whatever
07:47.49tenzindwhich package i need for pdf2tif ?
07:48.01liablesomeone last night was having that issue
07:48.04Tired2.6.30-1-686
07:48.12Tiredwell
07:48.20Tiredif you want bleeding edge... you gotta bleed
07:48.22TiredI guess
07:48.34Tiredhence the name
07:48.45Tired!tell tenzind -about apt-file
07:49.06ArafangionInstaller worked well for the *30 kernel.
07:49.07Tiredtenzind, none, it seems
07:49.23ArafangionLinux purple 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux (No issues there!)
07:49.31tenzindTired, ohh
07:49.52ArafangionHaven't tried nvidia/ati on this particular box yet, though - unlikely to do so.
07:49.56Tiredexcept the issues you always have with the installer-based drivers...
07:50.00castare you a lesbian
07:50.09Arafangioncast: Me?
07:50.37castja, *ponders making a study correlating lesbians a purple*
07:50.41castand, even
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07:50.57Tiredtenzind, what is it you want to do? pdf is multi-page, tif is not
07:51.02liablepurple?
07:51.09Arafangioncast: No, I'm a guy - but why purple?  They seem to like /rainbow/, for some reason.
07:51.14liablepurple!
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07:51.48Tiredtenzind, conversion from pdf to tif is rather trivial, though... convert from imagemagick can do it, so can lots of others... only problem is pdf multipage
07:51.49tenzindTired, just wanted to see if its possible to convert a single page pdf to tif
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07:52.01tenzindTired, ok . thanks
07:52.02liablerainbows! yay, back onto some odd conversation i had earlier
07:52.50Tiredtenzind, there's also pdftoppm and ppm2tiff
07:52.55Hideoyou can then use pdftk to join all the single page pdfs together
07:53.11liablewhere did my partner in crime go..
07:53.30`lazyTired: thanks
07:54.40castquestion regarding those external USB hubs, does that require any software support? or does the HW handle it all
07:54.47Tired`lazy, liable just said that  does not work (yet) for a 2.6.30 kernel...
07:55.00liabledid i?
07:55.05Tireddidn't you?
07:55.12liablenot sure
07:55.14Tired<liable> oh, that installer. well the debian one doesnt work with the 30 kernel apparently
07:55.36Tiredyou said SOMETHING
07:55.37Arafangioncast: It's all in hardware.
07:55.38liablesomeone last was complaing about the debian version of fglrx-source
07:55.51liableTired: dont believe anything i say!
07:55.57castcool.
07:56.06Arafangioncast: Keep in mind that many devices are quite power hungry, so it's recommended to get a powered hub.
07:56.15castlaptop only has 3 usb, 2 for mouse/kb and 1 for modem means i'm maxed out
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07:56.23Tiredfalls down in severe pain, as the paradox in that sentence from liable slowly kills him.....
07:56.35liableyes, my usb dildo is quite the power hungry beast
07:56.38Arafangioncast: Some devices, such as external HDD's, may prefer not to use a hub at all.
07:56.58Arafangionliable: I thought you were a guy - not a girl? Oh, no, don't answer that, I just don't want to know - TOO MUCH INFORMATION!
07:57.02Tiredliable, so are my usb coffee machene and my usb hairdryer...
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07:57.35`lazyTired: about that wiki,
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07:57.39liableArafangion: i am, and i'm just being slightly insane today.
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07:57.41Arafangioncast: For those, though, you might get away with a non-powered hub.
07:57.42TiredArafangion, this may come as a shock to you, but the male anatomy also supplies orifices that allow the use of a dildo
07:57.43`lazygetting this error: modprobe fglrx
07:57.44`lazyFATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory
07:58.06Tiredor so I heard
07:58.08tomeTired, liable, thanks again. Everything is working as I expect it now. have a great night/day.
07:58.09liableout of mem..
07:58.10ArafangionTired: Again, too much information. I'll discover such things myself, my own way, when I'm 80, thank you very much.
07:58.32liablehah
07:58.40liablethats hilarious
07:58.56`lazymmm there is mem free :)
07:59.13liablekernel says no
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07:59.23`lazytop says yes...
07:59.26`lazyhmm
07:59.26TiredAlzheimer...
07:59.59`lazyis there any "way" to free mem
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08:00.16liableArafangion: why wait untill you're 80 to stick something up your bum?
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08:00.40Tireda bum being a homeless guy in the street?
08:00.48dutchfish`lazy, echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync
08:01.28Arafangionliable: Was afraid it wasn't the mouth. :)
08:01.33dutchfish`lazy, however you q should be is there a need too?
08:02.40Tireddutchfish, <`lazy> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory
08:02.40liablefeels he is flirting with death. where are the ops
08:02.58TiredI think this is a misunderstanding :)
08:02.59castdutchfish: where do you find documentaion for that sort of stuff?
08:03.24dutchfishcast, kernel docs and kernel source, if you install kernel documentation you can read it in there
08:03.42liableif a module is failing to load with that error, i dont care what top says..
08:04.07dutchfishcast, and there is google ;)
08:04.11`lazysame error still when modprobe fglrx
08:04.17castnods
08:04.21`lazyseems to be same problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538431
08:04.27Tired`lazy, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538431
08:04.31Tiredops
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08:04.43Tiredin deed
08:04.51liableminus the space
08:06.39Tired`lazy, let me guess, "I am sorry, but all your cards are not supported by AMD anymore since the 9-4 release, for Linux and Windows. You have to switch to the open driver radeon." also applies to you?
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08:06.56Tired"It is also documented in the news, changelog and package discription of
08:06.56Tired<PROTECTED>
08:07.12liablefunny that. silly docs
08:07.25Tiredwho reads those anyways
08:07.37Tiredthat'd be nearly as useless as reading the topic
08:07.39liablenot me! and topic? bah!
08:07.45liableheh
08:07.53liableto quick for me
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08:07.55Tiredcommendably fast reaction to my topic-jibe
08:08.38liablei please to aim
08:09.01humboltI want to share a disk with many VMs and be able to expand it at any given time. What is the way to go? NFS, distributed FS, ...?
08:09.02Tiredliable, of course also problematic for people who do... how often did you do cd doc/;less README, just to find "haha, nobody will look in here EVER anyway"
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08:09.19`lazyTired: yep seems that my card isn't supported anymore =)
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08:09.24liableTired: never seen that actually.
08:09.37Tiredliable, ha, gotcha, you don't read docs!
08:09.37Arafangionhumbolt: The only way you might be able to do that would be to use an image as a COW image.
08:10.05liableTired: i do, but havent seen that (that my feeble memory recalls)
08:10.21liableTired: i have very basic needs of my linux box though
08:10.30humboltArafangion: I am not using images. I am using LVM, so that side of things is not a problem.
08:11.21ArafangionOh, so the disk themselves aren't managed by LVM?
08:11.28ArafangionAren't managed by teh VM's, rather.
08:11.47liableTired: web/irc/mail is the extent of it in general
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08:12.13pro-rsoftWhat should I do when I package a library that usually just compiles a static library?
08:12.27humboltArafangion: The disk lives in LVM. Now I am wondering if it is better to let it show up as a local disk in all VMs, or simply share the contents via NFS.
08:12.33pro-rsoftShould I modify the makefiles to also compile a shared library, or should I just create a libblah-dev package with the static lib?
08:12.40humboltArafangion: I am concerned about NFS performance.
08:13.12liablepro-rsoft: check the dev giude. or maintainers guide if you dont usually package for debian.
08:13.25pro-rsoftok, thanks
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08:13.54liablepro-rsoft: in the developers corner at the bottom of debian.org
08:14.23pro-rsoftthis one? http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
08:14.36liablepro-rsoft: there is also #debian-devel on oftc if its a bit complicated
08:14.38Arafangionhumbolt: Depending on the hardware, you may, or may not have hardware acceleration for network IO.
08:14.51Arafangionhumbolt: That said, you're probably best off using either samba or NFS.
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08:15.24liablepro-rsoft: yes, thats the maintainers guide. good start
08:15.31humboltArafangion: The network used for NFS would live in a local bridge anyways.
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08:18.13casti saw a benchmark showing NFS performance being greatly increased when jumboframes were used
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08:19.01pro-rsoftliable, hm, I can't find the guideline on static vs dynamic libs, there
08:19.17Arafangioncast: That stinks of a windows driver optimisation.
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08:21.34liablepro-rsoft: policy is the other one. generally i dont think static is accepted practise, but i'm not really up with it. there is also #debian-mentors on oftc (irc.debian.org) that may be more helpfull.
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08:21.56liablepro-rsoft: it has a list too
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08:22.12pro-rsoftok, thanks
08:22.25liablethere used to be a few dd's that hung around, but we scared them off
08:23.57castArafangion: http://www-pdsf.nersc.gov/~sychan/filesystems.html ahh, bottom of the page, old though
08:24.26Arafangioncast: Not merely old. :)
08:24.58Arafangioncast: Still, jumbo frames would result in some improvement - at a cost of hardware incompatibility, particularly with respect to switches and more likely routers.
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08:36.40liable!qotd0
08:36.40dpkg<sylarrr> why cant I change /proc/cmdline in busybox? <sylarrr> I have chmod it 777 <sylarrr> and when I write to it it doesn't save the changes
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08:41.11salvinin the authors section of the man there are the application authors or man authors?
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08:43.59phixWhen is squeeze due out?
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08:44.59cahoot!wir
08:44.59dpkgi guess wir is When It's Ready.  See also <rsn> and <siyh>
08:45.24cahootbut - maybe that principle is changed now
08:46.37salvincahoot, is chanhed for the freeze. not for the release
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08:55.57dominikshello, where can i download USB boot image of the newest Debian Squeeze/testing please?
08:58.19ArafangionWhat is the simplist possible way to send mail from a debian system?
08:58.44Arafangion(I do not yet have mail installed... Locally or otherwise, and I want to use it only to send mail to a particular, non-local user)
08:59.09liableArafangion: ssmtp to use another smtp server
08:59.20Arafangionliable: That sounds perfect, thanks.
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09:00.55liabledominiks: from the installer page which is linked in the developers corner for debian boot on the bottom of the debian.org page
09:01.01liable!netinst
09:01.02dpkgmethinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian.  If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later.  See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/  See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
09:01.11liablemeh
09:01.27liable!dailes
09:01.35ArafangionLooks perfect, even.
09:01.39liabledidnt think that would work..
09:02.14dominiksthx, i've found this http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
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09:02.36liableArafangion: its a great thing for local mail when you have simple mail needs
09:02.54Arafangionliable: Using this to send a monthly "server status" update. :)
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09:03.09liableyep, perfect
09:03.53liabledominiks: you want to instal from another distro?
09:04.22pro-rsoftlpia, is that the same as ia64?
09:04.25dominiksliable: no, i want boot from USB and clean install the newest Debian testing
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09:04.52pro-rsoftoh, nvm
09:05.07liabledominiks: then you dont want the hd-media image. why not just get a iso?
09:05.24dominiksliable: because i got no empty CD-Rs here atm =)
09:05.44liabledominiks: see the install manual
09:06.06liabledominiks: your bios will boot from usb?
09:06.23Arafangionliable: I'm having trouble *finding* the program it installs to send it!
09:06.29Arafangionliable: It does not provide a 'mail' command.
09:06.30dominiksliable: i think so.. at least i hope
09:07.08liableArafangion: ssmpt supplies sendmail binary iirc
09:07.55liableyes, it does.
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09:09.19PenStandguys how can I enter the root user? When I enter in the username field 'root' and in the password filed the root password, I get an error!
09:09.45dutchfishPenStand, what error?
09:09.52PenStandno user
09:10.01PenStandor password failed
09:10.07liablePenStand: are you using ubuntu?
09:10.13PenStandDebian and ubuntu
09:10.30dutchfishpengwen, sudo passwd root  .... and give a password then
09:10.32PenStandbut that problem is when I boot Debian
09:10.35liablePenStand: off you go to #ubuntu. it doesn't have a root user
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09:11.00PenStandliable: that's when I boot into Debian
09:11.11majkl578hi guys
09:11.26majkl578I've a problem with updating my system
09:11.26liablePenStand: and you are logging into a vt?
09:11.39PenStandliable: vt?
09:11.42PenStandwhat's vt
09:11.48PenStandvirtual terminal?
09:12.00majkl578it says that ldconfig, start-stop-daemon and update-rc.d were not found in PATH
09:12.00liablePenStand: how exactly are you trying to log in as root?
09:12.02humboltis ext4 production stable in lenny?
09:12.25PenStandliable: when I reach the login window after booting
09:12.30dutchfishhumbolt, nope
09:12.45liablehumbolt: 26 didnt have it, bpo kernel prolly does, why on earthe would you?
09:12.47dutchfishhumbolt, at least not out of the box
09:12.55humboltand if not, will lenny's kernel get patched to get a production stable ext4 stack?
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09:13.15liablePenStand: in graphical mode?
09:13.19Arafangionliable: Any idea why it might only put a copy of sendmail in...  Not /usr/bin, but /usr/lib?
09:13.21PenStandliable: yeah
09:13.43humboltso for 1TB disks on a production server, which FS should I use?
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09:13.50liablePenStand: dont log into x as root. i think they may have actually disabled it
09:13.52humboltI am worried about fscks
09:13.56Arafangionhumbolt: If you don't know, use ext3.
09:14.05liablePenStand: why do you need to log into x as root?
09:14.11Arafangionhumbolt: You shouldn't need fsck's if you don't crash.
09:14.14PenStandliable: how do you do something as a root in Debian then?
09:14.33PenStandliable: Just trying to
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09:14.38PenStandliable: no point from that
09:14.46PenStandliable: learning ;_)
09:14.47liablePenStand: you open an xterm and su to root, then do whatever you need to
09:14.49PenStand;)
09:15.00PenStandliable: like in Ubuntu
09:15.14liablePenStand: debian isnt ubuntu
09:15.26PenStandliable: ubuntu is Debian
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09:15.40liabledont even start with that shit
09:15.41majkl578noone will help me? :S
09:15.59liablenope
09:16.01PenStandliable: !! Debian is that father of Ubuntu ;)
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09:16.09ArafangionPenStand: I think we would know what is, and what isn't, debian. :)
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09:16.25dominiksUbuntu is screwed Debian :P
09:16.34ArafangionPenStand: It is true that Ubuntu is derived from Debian, but otherwise it's quite different. It doesn't even use the same init sequence.
09:16.36PenStandArafangion: I like your name dude
09:16.40ArafangionPenStand: Let alone any packages.
09:16.46liablelets not start on that path, but ubuntu isnt debian
09:16.47ArafangionPenStand: Alright, stop talking.
09:17.02AnViar)))
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09:17.14liablehe's uncortable with his sexuality..
09:17.15Arafangionwishes to know why the sendmail binary is a "library" rather than a "program".
09:17.27PenStandArafangion: what does your name mean?
09:17.35liableits in /usr/bin
09:17.48ArafangionPenStand: I pulled it out of a random name generator.
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09:17.54Arafangionliable: Not ssmtp's sendmail.
09:18.08ArafangionIt's most definetly in /usr/lib
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09:18.41liableArafangion: my dpkg -L gives me /usr/bin/sendmail
09:19.50Arafangionliable: Not here, but I do note now that that command does tell me that it's in /usr/sbin, as well as /usr/lib.
09:20.02liablesorry, /usr/sbin/sendmail
09:20.14ArafangionAhh, ok.
09:20.17liableArafangion: dpkg -L ssmtp
09:20.52Arafangionhttp://paste2.org/p/438200 (That's the dpkg -L command, and it now makes sense - almost) - why is it regarded as a "system" binary?
09:21.14ArafangionWhat I expected to see was something in /usr/bin
09:21.23liablebecause mail is neccesary for passing system messages
09:21.46ArafangionWell, well, they can use regular commands as well, surely.
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09:22.00Arafangionie, if they need to, they'll use 'tar', even though 'tar' is not a "system" binary.
09:22.20liablemail is classed as a real need in a unix system
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09:23.04Arafangionliable: That would argue for it to be /bin, then.
09:23.11liablehow else does the kernel tell you its about to shit its pants?
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09:23.17dutchfish...even when it is only used for local delivery
09:23.17Arafangionliable: The question is, why in /usr/*S*bin?
09:23.38liableArafangion: i'm not sure on the whole /bin /sbin thing
09:23.50liablei dont care that much :)
09:23.58Arafangionliable: Generally, the sbin directories are not intended to be used by users, and by default, aren't even on their PATH.
09:24.05Arafangionliable: They're intended to be used by administrators.
09:24.08dutchfishArafangion, look at the rights
09:24.13liablesbin is in users path
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09:24.17niconHi all.
09:24.21niconI've got problem.
09:24.24Arafangionliable: Not by default.
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09:24.26liablebin is for root
09:24.28niconI've got Attansic card.
09:24.35Arafangiondutchfish: Regular users can use it fine, explicitly.
09:24.36liableArafangion: eh, i think it is
09:24.36niconAnd can't install debian from netinst.
09:24.45niconCan anyone help me with this?
09:24.54Arafangionliable: My default bin for a freshly installed squeeze system: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
09:24.57ArafangionI'm pretty sure it aint!
09:25.04bzrknicon: what model?
09:25.33niconbzrk: I know only this, what lspci says me: attansic technology corp. device 1063 (rev c0)
09:26.03liableArafangion: you're right. i lose, but thankfully i'm getting drunk enough to not care :)
09:26.09streunertry <hcl> then (/msg dpkg hcl)
09:26.17Arafangionliable: Damn you! :)
09:26.20bzrknicon: try update-pciids
09:26.25liableprods streuner
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09:26.40streunercheers
09:26.51liablei didnt buy you a beer!
09:26.54niconIt's command at netinst busybox? ;-> I don't have command like that.
09:27.00Arafangionliable: At least, I've got a good, simple smtp program, so thanks for that. :)
09:27.40liablebusybox is a collection of essential little programs
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09:28.08niconSo what I need to do? ;-)
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09:28.13liableArafangion: yep, its a good thing. i reallyy like ssmtp
09:28.35dutchfishArafangion, system binaries are not essential for all users, on some systems they might be blocked, example ssh shell /bin/false
09:28.46bzrknicon: i have an attansic card too, i managed to netinst with it but i have regular disconnects due to a driver bug
09:29.02niconmmm..
09:29.16niconIt can't disconnets "just like that" when I'll finish the work...
09:29.17Arafangiondutchfish: I would consider sending mail to be far more important to most users than tar.
09:29.24niconBecause my boss will kill me ;-)
09:29.32liableso he should
09:29.57niconbzrk: how did ya install drivers of this card at netinst?
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09:30.10nmh-j2grawI am not convinced ssmtp is a user program.
09:30.16bzrknicon: from a usb stick
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09:30.33Arafangionnmh-j2graw: Why not?
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09:30.48liablenmh-j2graw: its not, but sendmail should be usable to users
09:30.51nmh-j2grawit is intended to be used in a similar fashion to sendmail or postfix
09:31.00bzrknicon: if you have another card lying around netinst from that
09:31.01niconbzrk: yeah, I tried also from usb stick some atl1, but I don't have make to compile this ;-P
09:31.10nmh-j2grawI don't consider sendmail a "user" program either.
09:31.11liableit supplies the sendmail binary
09:31.16bzrknicon: hehe
09:31.19nmh-j2grawmutt I would, or even mail mailx and friends
09:31.27niconI'm too tired for this, damnit.
09:31.29bzrknicon: i just needed the firmware, no need to compile
09:31.42liablenmh-j2graw: so how does mutt send mail? it has to be root?
09:31.45niconbzrk: can U gimme some link to firmware?
09:32.23dutchfishArafangion, hint: being executable doesnt mean that those commands can do there work as non-root, for that they need root privilidges
09:32.38nmh-j2grawliable: I sometimes send my mail with telnet or netcat - you don't need all sorts of permissions to open a connection to an smtp server, just as you can easily connect to a webserver as non-root
09:32.39trochalaHello, I want to change the default system python (/usr/bin/python) to python-2.6. Is there a mechanism for that?
09:32.46Arafangiondutchfish: Here's a hint: I've been testing it as a regular user.  I almost never use root, unless absolutely neccessary.
09:32.59dutchfishArafangion, sure
09:33.14xoztrochala: ln ?
09:33.16liableoh god, saying you use telnet to talk to a mail server is *so* 90's
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09:33.19Arafangiondutchfish: It's actually rather easy to use, as a regular user.
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09:33.42castyeah, let me code you up a VB gui to telnet to your mailserver
09:33.54nmh-j2grawliable: so, when you need to debug why something is broken, what DO you use?
09:33.54xozheh
09:34.01Arafangioncast: No thanks, I don't particularly want to install wine on this box.
09:34.02trochalaxoz: Yes, I was wondering if there was an "official way" like update-alternatives
09:34.15dutchfishArafangion, that depends
09:34.30castArafangion: ah oh...so you haven't seen that CSI moment then..
09:34.39bzrknicon: i cant find it now sorry
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09:35.11liablemxweas: i have actually used it to check my own mailserver, but your comment was about as contrived as it could possibly be
09:35.16dutchfishArafangion, one of my systems you could not
09:35.28Arafangioncast: They've got a few of those episodes.
09:35.28xoztrochala: update-alternatives are only for some... i think ln -s blah1 blah2 is still handy
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09:35.59Arafangiondutchfish: You've disallowed people from running /sbin and /usr/sbin programs?
09:36.09niconbzrk: kk, thanks anyway.
09:36.10trochalaxoz: Thanks :) I 'll do that
09:36.37dutchfishArafangion, no, i use debian all the way 2nd it depends on what the admin wants 3e http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16
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09:37.03liablehmm that reminds me..
09:37.08liable!seen tralala
09:37.08dpkgtralala <~trilili@213.63.137.210> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33d 12h 6m 23s ago, saying: 'hi'.
09:37.18mxweasliable: what?
09:37.21mxweasI haven't said a word.
09:37.35Arafangiondutchfish: To quote: "Utilities used for system administration (and other root-only commands)..." - sendmail is NOT "root-only".
09:37.50Arafangiondutchfish: Not ssmtp, in any case.
09:37.54liablemxweas: sorry, i am getting drunk, and my nicktab foo is broken. wasnt directed at you
09:38.07dutchfishArafangion, used for, doe snot imply can not or can
09:38.09mxweasliable: haha, ok
09:39.00Arafangiondutchfish: Please remind me why this is a program specifically used for system administration as opposed to... Oh, perhaps sending ordinary mail?
09:39.06dutchfishArafangion, by convention
09:39.19ArafangionCurious convention.
09:39.24liableArafangion: mail *is* a system admin thing
09:39.51Arafangionliable: The system is merely one of the users of the program.
09:39.55liabledont you want to know when your box is barfing?
09:40.03ArafangionJust like the system sometimes uses 'tar', or 'sh'.
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09:40.16liablenot even comparable
09:40.26ArafangionHow so?
09:40.39liabletelling you its broken is as important as the kernel
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09:40.56xeon-enoufnotificationd
09:40.59ArafangionVery well.
09:41.01xeon-enoufer s
09:41.11liablebought time you woke up!
09:41.16vizzyhi, is there an option for aptitude to install packages from a file? i mean aptitude install /path/to/filewithpackagenames
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09:41.22xeon-enouf!beer liable
09:41.22dpkgpours a litre of Guinness for liable
09:41.31dutchfish!coffe xeon-enouf
09:41.37dutchfish!coffee xeon-enouf
09:41.37dpkgdecants a fine mug of fair trade Peruvian for xeon-enouf, courtesy of dutchfish
09:41.42xeon-enouf\o/
09:41.42nmh-j2grawvizzy: maybe someone here can give you a better answer than: use dpkg or setup a local mirror
09:41.43liabletoo late, started that at 12:30
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09:42.09xeon-enouf!vodka the channel
09:42.09dpkgdraws off a shot of Stolichnaya for the channel
09:42.21liableyum!
09:42.28xeon-enoufheh, one shot? :-p
09:42.35liableits a start
09:42.36vizzynmh-j2graw, local mirror? no need for that, its a root server, but i want some kind of unattended install, at least give a list of packages, but not in one big line :)
09:42.50void_pointerdon't drink and config
09:43.08liablethats right, drink and tell others how to
09:43.10xeon-enoufliable: split 900 ways :-)
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09:43.38nmh-j2grawvizzy: oh, sorry - I thought you had a package you built yourself or something.  I typically do the aptitude install <big line of packages> thing
09:43.50liablexeon-enouf: i hustled them out the way. stupid idlers!
09:44.05xeon-enoufhah!
09:44.07vizzynmh-j2graw, so, hmmm, i iwll use the big line solution then  :) thx
09:44.30void_pointerThat's 40 litres of vodka
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09:44.34nmh-j2grawvizzy: sorry I didn't have a nicer answer for you
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09:44.46void_pointerbased on the standard 45ml for one shot
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09:45.41void_pointerso 1 shot each is pretty generous
09:45.50vizzymaybe < somefile works, i'll test
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09:47.06xeon-enoufvoid_pointer: that's called a 'round'
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09:47.46void_pointerhere it's called a "shout"
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09:48.11xeon-enoufso where were we? ssmtp? nullmailer? VB and WINE?
09:48.18xeon-enoufsambuca?
09:48.35vizzy< somefile is useless in aptitude :(
09:48.37liablebeer
09:49.05xeon-enoufvizzy: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
09:49.15xeon-enoufvizzy: /msg dpkg selections
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09:49.31vizzyaptitude is only a frontend for dpkg? right?
09:49.42vizzythx enouf
09:49.43nmh-j2graw"only" he says...
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09:50.10xeon-enoufvizzy: or .. while read line ; do apt-get install $line ; done < somefile
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09:50.14liablewe were debating the need for mail as an essential sevrice, which sucks, but i'm happy for someone else to talk about, and i'll just sit back and inteject witty annoying comments.
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09:50.27xeon-enoufvizzy: yeah, i use apt-get myself
09:50.56vizzyxeon-enouf, yes, i want to prevent aptitude from installing packages automagically i will install afterwards, i mean, while reads each package and install one by one
09:50.56liablesilly man
09:51.11liabledont use both
09:51.25xeon-enoufvizzy: set both to not install Recommends as default
09:51.28vizzyi use only aptitude
09:51.53xeon-enouffor apt it's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false";
09:52.04castso was apt a clone of something? or an original idea? or an innovation?
09:52.24xeon-enouffor aptitude, i know only the -R option
09:52.28liablecast: apparently a stop-gap
09:52.35vizzyxeon-enouf, ah :) ok, so disable automagism totally is possible? thats great, so i have toi take care of all dependencies, thats ok for this server, and wanted
09:52.36liableapt-get
09:52.42Arrowmasteraptitude will use the apt config
09:52.44castliable: you're thinking of apt-get,
09:52.55castdoubt apt was a stop-gap D:
09:52.56xeon-enouflibapt
09:52.56liablei just fucking said that!
09:53.35castyou could have been saying something else!
09:53.54castas in apt was a stop-gap, which is what you said, then presenting apt-get as evidence!
09:53.57liablethats true, i'm not sure wtf i'm doing!
09:53.57xeon-enoufvizzy: some pkgs are /msg dpkg metapackages
09:54.06castapt-assplodes liable
09:54.09xeon-enoufer singular :-)
09:54.19xeon-enoufhaha
09:54.42xeon-enouf!pizza liable
09:54.42liabledont do that! you know my usb dildo is out of action!
09:54.56liablei think i need pizza
09:55.15xeon-enouftoo
09:55.24liablea therapist would be more helpfull, but not as tasty
09:55.49casti just had kangaroo steak, skippy is no more
09:56.08liablewas it rare?
09:56.23xeon-enoufwasn't jumping high enough for ya?
09:56.31xeon-enoufhow was the pouch?
09:56.35castit was, it was, but only because they were so damned thick
09:56.50vizzythe clone thing is nice, but i cant use it, i installed several testapps, now i want to format and reinstall everything thats needed. hmmm. but i now have a script creating a very big line from my packages list and call aptitude
09:56.58liableapprently, its togh as nails if it isnt
09:57.21cast<--tougher than nails
09:57.36liablesure
09:57.43liablerusty thin ones
09:58.04raboofis there anything i can do to configure my USB (UHCI) stack to optimize for low latency rather than high thoughput?
09:58.27xeon-enoufuhci is usb 1.1
09:58.33liableraboof: that would be best asked on a kernel list
09:58.50raboofxeon-enouf: yes - i think my hardware is usb1.1
09:58.51xeon-enoufbut see linux-usb.org and ##kernel
09:58.55nmh-j2grawvizzy: when doing something that sounds similar, I have found it easier to just list the packages I care about for aptitude and let it suck in the rest as needed
09:59.18xeon-enoufraboof: i know it is ;-) so a whopping 12mbps ;-P
10:00.00vizzynmh-j2graw, yes, i did now an aptitude search * and grep those packages havong ^i but not A, this shoould return a list of manually installed packages... let me test
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10:00.18vizzyand 3rd field is pkgname then, hmmm, awk did it
10:00.26raboofxeon-enouf: right - but i'm trying to get good latencies, 12mbps is plenty for passing MIDI messages over :)
10:00.27liablegonna have to order pizza
10:00.30xeon-enouf!selections
10:00.30dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
10:00.46vizzy:O
10:01.01xeon-enoufliable: yeah, no drivey drivey in your condition ;-)
10:01.28vizzyoh, i asked dpkg for selection not the plural :)
10:01.33vizzythx
10:01.33xeon-enoufraboof: ahh.. then recompile a RT kernel
10:01.50xeon-enoufvizzy: heh
10:01.50liableunfortunately not. so i have to order pizza with msg that makes my blood pressure skyrocket!
10:02.13raboofi took the one from 64studio - it actually performed a small bit worse than the stock debian testing kernel
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10:02.19vizzyi dont do copy paste :))
10:02.34raboofafter upping the rtprio of the irq on which the usb device is the results are now comparable again
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10:03.31liablehuh?
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10:04.40xeon-enoufwonders what the exact config changes are ... ugh.. did they also mess up the I/O scheduler?
10:05.00xeon-enoufthat, you can set/alter on the fly
10:05.48liableingos schedular is te best apparently
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10:06.37xeon-enoufliable: right, but that's the CPU scheduler (CFS), not the I/O one
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10:06.56DelphiWorldhello all
10:07.01liablewhatever..
10:07.03xeon-enoufliable: it
10:07.09DelphiWorldplease, how to install mySQL5 development header and library?
10:07.11DelphiWorldapt-get install libmysql
10:07.14DelphiWorldgive me not found
10:07.47xeon-enoufliable: it's my turn to suffer - it's 6am -ish here == no real pizza joints are even Open :-/
10:08.22liablexeon-enouf: dont worry, i have no real decent pizza options at any time of the day :(
10:08.26vizzywhat about a pizza baguette from you local bakery?
10:08.52liablexeon-enouf: though i dunno if i think NY pizza would be any good anyway
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10:09.08xeon-enoufliable: Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt
10:09.16liablehand
10:09.17xeon-enoufliable: heh
10:09.40liablemy brain is in no state to look at that!
10:09.43xeon-enoufvizzy: perhaps .. but .. on 2nd thought ..no
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10:12.25raboofxeon-enouf: what is 'messed up'? looks like all devices in /sys/block are 'none', except sda and sr0, which are set to 'cfq'
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10:12.42raboofnot sure how that'd affect USB though
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10:13.16xeon-enoufraboof: what's grep HZ /boot/config-`uname -r` say?
10:13.19xeon-enoufpastebin
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10:13.49raboofxeon-enouf: NO_HZ is on and the freqency is set to 1000
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10:14.31xeon-enoufraboof: that's not a debian kernel, is it
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10:14.52raboofxeon-enouf: no, it's the 64studio kernel
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10:15.12xeon-enoufraboof: nevermind NO_HZ, it's unrelated - (or should be, last time i looked)
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10:16.40raboofhmm, my laptop specs seem to say i should have usb2.0 ports though - might be worth checking out if i can replace uhci with ehci
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10:18.15valdynraboof: thats not a replacement but an addition
10:18.18JyZyXELsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fails if you don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:18.51valdynJyZyXEL: does it?
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10:19.05JyZyXELyea
10:19.07JyZyXELnothing happends
10:19.12raboofvaldyn: aha - know any good resources to read up on this?
10:19.15valdynJyZyXEL: since when is that  fail?
10:19.23valdynraboof: no
10:19.28raboofnever bothered with usb before, it 'just worked' for me
10:19.38valdynraboof: it probably just works now
10:19.59JyZyXELionno
10:20.01JyZyXELit is
10:20.08valdynraboof: if ehci  not  loaded automatically then theres a problem
10:20.23valdynJyZyXEL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is supposed to do nothing, that is not a fail
10:20.29JyZyXELoh
10:21.10vizzyJyZyXEL, you can create a default xorg.conf, but usus
10:21.19vizzyausually there is no more xorg.conf
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10:21.26vizzy-a, grml
10:21.36raboofvaldyn: ehci_hcd is loaded and I see a 'Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub' in lsusb
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10:22.16valdynraboof: when you plugin in a device you will see the mode etc in dmesg
10:22.23vizzyJyZyXEL,  /msg dpkg xorg.conf :)
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10:22.58valdynraboof: for example: "usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11"
10:23.01vizzyyou can create a xorg.cinf template, then set proper values, like powersave on a laptop
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10:23.07valdynraboof: thats ehci -> its usb 2.0
10:23.46raboofvaldyn: my 'usb 2.0' device (0582:00e6, edirol ua-25ex) has 'bcdUSB=1.10' in lsusb - indeed, syslog says 'new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8'
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10:24.55vizzyxeon-enouf, !dpkg still mentions reconfigure xserver-xorg will ask for keyboard layout etc
10:25.05hanibanahi all
10:25.06vizzythat explains why all desktops use english keyboard layout
10:25.30hanibanasorry for repeattig question: I want to build an application on Debian Lenny amd64. I have an error about relocation blah blah... : http://pastebin.com/f2f64a54e The error and search results suggests adding -fPIC to gcc flags. But I don't know add it to which Makefile.
10:25.41valdyn!drxx
10:25.41dpkgFor Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>.  For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up.  If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>.
10:25.52hanibanaI want to apply a patch
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10:26.51valdynraboof: a sound device would probably be usb 1 anyway
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10:27.49vizzymaybe i'm stupid, but msk dpkg ask xorg config tells me nothing, xorg.conf does
10:28.10valdyn!xorg config
10:28.11dpkgFrom Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself.  Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>.  As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible.  Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
10:28.12raboofvaldyn: yeah, I guess - it's only stereo audio and midi, so bandwidth should be sufficient - it's just that if it's advertised as 'usb 2.0', somehow I feel I should use that :)
10:28.18valdynvizzy: "/msg dpkg xorg config"
10:28.25vizzyi did that :O
10:28.33valdynraboof: false advertising probably
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10:29.07vizzynow it does... hmmm
10:29.07valdynraboof: having 10 times the required bandwidth is ok. having 100 times the required bandwidth doesnt make it better
10:29.11vizzyhowever :)
10:29.23hanibanaany idea :(
10:29.28_rick__May I ask for help with a debian 5.02 problem? My laptop came out of suspend with broken screen image. Then I have the official ATI catalyst drivers installed, but now debian hangs while trying to suspend.
10:29.41raboofvaldyn: yeah, agreed - is bandwidth the only difference between usb1 and usb2 though?
10:29.42vizzyhanibana, did patch fail?
10:29.49vizzyhanibana, what did it say?
10:29.55valdynraboof: obviously it implies latency too
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10:30.13hanibanavizzy: the patch applied correctly.
10:30.17raboofvaldyn: obviously?
10:30.17valdynraboof: i cant tell you the package size, so i cant tell you how much latency we are talking about
10:30.20vizzyhanibana, best thing is to start with fresh source, aplly patch, look for errors, compile, then edit makefile for propper flags
10:30.29valdynraboof: sure
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10:30.36regorianermy webserver has a DNS name registered, but if i call this DNS name in any explorer the server (i dont know if its the dns server or my webserver) returns my IP but not the DNS name. Whats wrong ?
10:30.42vizzyhanibana, there is a file called 'Makefile' in the source root dir where  you typed make
10:30.47hanibanavizzy: I did that
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10:31.04hanibanavizzy: there are much of such files.
10:31.11hanibanaat source tree.
10:31.20hanibanadid you see my pastebin?
10:31.20vizzythere is only one 'Makefile'
10:31.34vizzybrowser is strting up......
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10:31.48hanibanafind . -name Makefile ./master/Makefile./perl/sieve/lib/Makefile./perl/sieve/Makefile./perl/Makefile./perl/imap/Makefile./notifyd/Makefile./timsieved/Makefile./sieve/Makefile./lib/Makefile
10:31.53hanibana...
10:32.05_rick__May I ask for help with a debian 5.02 problem? My laptop always came out of suspend with broken screen image. Then I installed the official ATI catalyst drivers, but now debian hangs while trying to suspend (black text screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner). I have a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M graphics chip.
10:32.07valdynraboof: bandwidth / packet size  = minimum possible latency
10:32.26valdynraboof: err
10:32.39vizzyhanibana, no master-Makefile in the root?
10:32.42valdynraboof: i got that reversed
10:33.03hanibanavizzy: yes, I have it.
10:33.08vizzyhanibana, so you can try  setting cc options
10:33.20vizzybut dont ask me how :) not sure about that
10:33.39vizzyhanibana, then edit the file and look for cc_options variable or so
10:33.49vizzyin capital letters :)
10:34.03regorianermy webserver has a DNS name registered, but if i call this DNS name in any explorer the server (i dont know if its the dns server or my webserver) returns my IP but not the DNS name. Whats wrong ?
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10:34.30vizzyreverse dns name matters
10:34.53raboofvaldyn: right, so if the packet size decreased (or became variable, or whatever), latency might've actually improved
10:35.06valdynraboof: yea
10:35.26valdynraboof: now this is all theory, maybe were talking about very small packets, so this might be irrelevant
10:35.51raboofhehe: 'USB 2.0 Compatible (works as a USB 1.1 device without changing the specifications and performance)'
10:35.55raboofsneaky bastards
10:35.57vizzyregorianer, please ask in the channel, no priv msg please
10:36.31valdynraboof: "Maximum data payload size for full-speed devices is 64 bytes"
10:36.43vizzyregorianer, did you set up correct virtual hosts on your server? i gues sno
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10:38.43hanibanathank you for ur help vizzy.
10:38.57action09hi is there a quick and easy step to have a fully functiunnal backup to restore (iso e.g) from an existing Debian system running ? Mondo backup or similar ? nothing Debian related epsecially ? thanks ! :)
10:39.19vizzyhanibana, maybe use named virtual hosts
10:39.32hanibanavizzy: :O
10:39.36hanibanafor what?
10:39.54vizzyfor your webservers hosted domains? vhosts :)
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10:40.12bzrkaction09: dump/restore
10:40.12regorianervizzy: i have the default configuration and one vhost conf file for the subdomain, it alle works on another server but not at the actual
10:40.22action09bzed except this crap :)
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10:40.32action09bzrk except it :)
10:40.38action09bzed  sorry not for you :)
10:40.39vizzyregorianer, then compare both configs, diff
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10:41.06bzrkaction09: hehe sorry i always use those
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10:42.02action09bzrk no problem i was a little joking: ) i use myself tar zxpvf file.tgz /etc  and rebuild from scratch  :/
10:43.12castaction09: what?
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10:43.49vizzyaction09, welcome to the club
10:44.10castaction09: ahh ignore me D:
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10:44.35_rick__May I ask for help with a debian 5.02 problem? My laptop always came out of suspend with broken screen image. Then I installed the official ATI catalyst drivers, but now debian hangs while trying to suspend (black text screen with blinking cursor in upper left corner). I have a ATI Radeon Xpress 200M graphics chip.
10:45.01vizzy_rick__, the catalyst driver is a big pain
10:45.28valdyn_rick__: how are you suspending?
10:45.42_rick__vizzy: I'm pressing Fn+F1
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10:45.58valdyn_rick__: read the manpage to pm_suspend
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10:46.11valdyn_rick__: theres a few workarounds for various gfx cards listed
10:46.11vizzythere are a lot of well known problems with ati drivers, it at least kills your mesalib, if you uninstall you have to fix that :)
10:46.27chellomere*pm-suspend
10:46.39_rick__valdyn: no manual entry for pm_suspend..
10:46.43vizzywatch out the install log, it tells you important details what symlinks are changed
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10:46.48valdynati install can produce  proper debian package, if you used those you dont fuck your mesa
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10:47.10papajackhi
10:47.12vizzyvaldyn, i at least fucked up my mesa installing the debian package for that.... ouch
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10:47.32vizzyi reinstalled my laptop 3 times to find out why its getting to 10fps
10:47.36valdyn_rick__: install pm-utils
10:47.50papajackanyone know a fix to the: "Fatal error: Bad primary partition: Partition 1 ends in the final partial cylid." ?
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10:48.24valdynpapajack: shrink the partition
10:48.30vizzypapajack, you could adjust the partitions using fdisk, but be very very careful
10:48.44papajacki'm not very handy with it..a
10:48.46_rick__valdyn: ok, installed that package.. but still no manpage
10:48.54papajackwell i have a vista partition that i dont wanna lose
10:48.56valdyn_rick__: man pm-suspend
10:48.57papajackloose
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10:49.09_rick__valdyn: ok, thanks.
10:49.13vizzypapajack, if you have a second harddrive, and important data on your messed up drive, do a copy before doing anything
10:49.31xeon-enoufaction09: want to pay for g4l?
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10:49.50papajackis this error that bad?
10:50.08xeon-enoufman, i love how killing ONE stinkin firepoop PID completely wipes out ALL of X!
10:50.14papajackI'll just delete all the partitions if that will make it work... and install vista afterwards
10:50.21papajackbut i can't use cfdisk
10:50.23vizzypapajack, it should not happen :)
10:50.31papajack:(
10:50.50papajackso how can I fix it?
10:50.51vizzyif you want dual boot, install vista first
10:51.00papajacki already have it.
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10:51.06xeon-enoufpapajack: how's your BIOS settings?
10:51.10vizzyand dont create partitions with vista you want to use in linux
10:51.16papajackhaven't touched those
10:51.22vizzyuse linux fdisk to do so
10:51.39papajackok but it still shouldn't give that error. it should let me create the partitions..
10:51.42vizzyso, 1 part for win?
10:51.46papajacki created one but did not format it
10:52.00papajacki have now c:\ , d:\ and the s:\ one
10:52.00vizzynow you can see how ms sucks
10:52.02xeon-enoufpapajack: make the Primary 1M smaller than disk
10:52.07xeon-enoufugh
10:52.14xeon-enoufdrive letters?
10:52.16papajacks:\ is not formatted.
10:52.31papajackwell i made this last one in vista.
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10:52.45xeon-enoufboot linux, then come back :-)
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10:53.00papajackhm
10:53.07xeon-enoufotherwise ##windows is over -------------------->
10:53.23papajackcan't boot linux :P
10:53.33vizzybecause of the error?
10:53.41papajackyes heh
10:53.53xeon-enoufboot a livecd
10:54.02papajackok i got ubuntu on a cd
10:54.08xeon-enoufuff
10:54.12vizzyuuuh
10:54.15xeon-enoufgo to sysresccd.org
10:54.15papajackheh
10:54.28xeon-enouforgrml.org
10:54.35xeon-enoufor 'grml.org' i meant
10:54.43papajackok i'm there
10:54.45papajackboth
10:54.45imduffy15Is there a way i can redirect system mail to my gmail account?
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10:55.01streunerimduffy15: procmail?
10:55.03xeon-enoufimduffy15: tell your MTA to send it there
10:55.09vizzyimduffy15, procmail, smarthost
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10:55.20imduffy15hmm ok thanks i'll start researching procmail
10:55.41papajackwhat's easier?
10:55.53vizzyimduffy15, by default exim is installed and configure it to forward messages to gmail is just a few lines
10:56.13xeon-enoufdpkg-reconfigure exim4-config IIRC
10:56.21imduffy15Ok thanks guys
10:56.24vizzypapajack, i personally use sysresccd
10:56.30papajackok
10:57.04papajackhm
10:57.23xeon-enouftasty? :-P
10:57.43xeon-enoufis hungry - just doesn't know it
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10:57.58liablejust had shit pizza. not happy
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10:58.24xeon-enoufs/just doesn't know it/won't let himself know it/  .. in due time
10:58.26vizzyim waiting for an 24h online spend pizza to geeks and freaks service all over the world
10:58.28dustybinliable: topic
10:58.41liabledustybin: no, bad topping
10:58.51xeon-enoufliable: that sucks - come to NY \o/
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10:59.06liablexeon-enouf: i dont think they would let me in!
10:59.19xeon-enoufliable: just hide your pouch and tail!
10:59.22xeon-enouf:-P
10:59.26liablehah
10:59.30vizzyxeon-enouf, lets found a worldwide debian pizza service :)
10:59.31hiwkif I want to move a file to a new location, and then create a symbolic link from the old location to the new location, is there a command for that or should I write a (very) short script?
10:59.41xeon-enoufvizzy: we can do that
10:59.47dustybinxeon-enouf + vizzy  topic
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11:00.02xeon-enoufhiwk: easy enough to do
11:00.12xeon-enoufdustybin: hush hon
11:00.15vizzydustybin, i said 'debian' :)
11:00.19dustybinfeels like being the annoying 'topic' man :P
11:00.36hiwkyeah, but it sounded like something mv or the like of it could potentially do on its own
11:00.39xeon-enoufmv + ln
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11:00.52xeon-enoufbut use cp -a, instead of mv
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11:01.03xeon-enoufthen rm the orig, once you're sure
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11:01.40xeon-enoufhiwk: nah, mv doesn't make symlinks :-p
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11:01.52Misterjorsfrom time to time nautilus restarts and i get this error in dmesg-output: "[44717.038752] nautilus[3636]: segfault at c ip 080f17b2 sp bfcfda40 error 4 in nautilus[8048000+126000]"
11:01.56xeon-enoufhiwk: then there's rsync ;-)
11:01.56Misterjorsis it solvable?
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11:02.23xeon-enoufremap the bad RAM around it? :-p
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11:03.20mick_laptophi everyone, is there a way to have my box alarm if my box is getting too hot?
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11:03.47mick_laptopeven a scriptable interface to sensors would be enough of a hint
11:03.51vizzymick_laptop, is lm-sensors installed?
11:03.53xeon-enoufmick_laptop: your BIOS should take care of that - but .. cool the box ;-)
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11:03.58iljhey
11:04.28vizzymick_laptop, parse output of sensors and do some wild beeps if it gets too hot
11:04.29xeon-enoufdip the mainboard in mineral oil :-)
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11:05.13xeon-enoufmick_laptop: why is it getting too hot? laptop?
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11:05.36liablepron
11:05.43iljI'm trying to update /boot/grub/menu.lst by editing its contents with vim and then simply rebooting the machine. The deal is that I don't see changes reflected in an actual bootloader menu although it seems editin menu.lst is the only thing required to do. Is there a command that should be run ...
11:05.48ilj... after menu.lst was edited or something?
11:06.01vizzyilj, no
11:06.06xeon-enoufMisterjors: you;d have to debug it - or use a non-Broken version of Nautilus/Gnome
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11:06.27Misterjorsits a brand new debian lenny 5.03 install :s
11:06.28xeon-enoufilj: well, /etc/fstab
11:06.31cahootilj: did save?
11:06.49iljjust edited menu.lst and reboot
11:07.01xeon-enoufilj: also, you might be seeeing the wrong menu.lst
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11:07.09iljwhat save? do you mean a text editor save file function?
11:07.13vizzydoes cat /boot/grub/menu.lst show your changes?
11:07.19xeon-enoufilj: :wq!
11:07.27mick_laptopxeon-enouf: netbook
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11:07.53xeon-enoufmick_laptop: ouch - poke about the URLs that /msg dpkg laptop shows you
11:08.05ilj< xeon-enouf> ilj: :wq! // sure thing :)
11:08.32cahootilj: and not grub2?
11:08.34xeon-enoufilj: so what changes did you make? and how is it not showing in your grub menu when you boot?
11:09.12iljxeon-enouf, I changed titles and added a couple of new entries as well as fallback, quiet and boot parameters
11:09.33mick_laptopnothing new in those links for me
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11:10.17xeon-enoufilj: and when you hit 'e' at menu, those (kernel line, such as 'quiet' + boot params) changes don't appear?
11:10.21iljcahoot, grub 0.97-27etch1
11:10.27xeon-enoufgrub1 - ok
11:10.33xeon-enoufetch?
11:10.37iljyeah
11:10.47iljI just have this new system installed
11:11.07xeon-enoufmick_laptop: /msg dpkg netbook? using laptop-mode? you sure nothing is wrong hardware wise?
11:11.14iljwhen I deal with grub I'll do upgrade to lenny =)
11:11.18xeon-enoufilj: why not Lenny?
11:11.40^shark_what is the daemon name for tftpd-hpa
11:11.55xeon-enouftftpd :-p
11:11.56iljdownloading a new iso and burning it was perceived by my brain as an ultimate hassle so I decided to use an old net-inst CD :)
11:12.19mick_laptopxeon-enouf: i'm positive, hdparam settings aren't going to help me if i have a 2nd X server running doing automated screenshots while i have the latest version of thunderbird compiling -- fact is i need this thing to do more than it can handle
11:12.41xeon-enoufilj: well, upgrade, then worry about grub :-P but really - make sure no other menu.lst is appearing
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11:12.48^shark_in my /etc/hosts.allow i should have in.tftpd then right or tftpd
11:13.06xeon-enoufmick_laptop: then you also must be swapping == not good
11:13.07mick_laptoplaptop mode helps for some things but seriously not what i'm doing ;)
11:13.21iljxeon-enouf, there's only one menu.lst file and I'm sure about it ^__^
11:13.37xeon-enoufilj: then you edited incorrectly
11:13.38mick_laptopxeon-enouf: swapping just makes the box perform horribly, it != bad
11:13.53xeon-enoufmick_laptop: perform horribly == bad! :-)
11:14.13mick_laptopnot when you "just want it to complete at some point"
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11:14.23xeon-enoufhaha
11:14.29mick_laptopi don't care when my code finishes compiling as long as i can test out the build when it is done
11:14.47xeon-enoufmick_laptop: when you use swap, your HDD is being used more than it has to be; hence HEAT! ;-)
11:15.00mick_laptopi know that
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11:15.03xeon-enoufuse external HDDs :-p
11:15.28mick_laptopthat is why i'm going to be parsing sensors in a bit - so it can tell me "get a new ice pack, the box is hot again"
11:15.32xeon-enoufor get a Desktopsystem
11:15.49mick_laptopnot enough $ for that atm, unfortunately
11:15.58xeon-enoufmick_laptop: look in the dumpsters
11:16.00xeon-enouf:-)
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11:16.17mick_laptophaven't gone dumpster diving in a while
11:16.28valdynmick_laptop: you can throttle your cpu
11:16.30mick_laptopxeon-enouf: suggestions as to where?
11:16.37valdynmick_laptop: thats probably the biggest effect on heat you can do
11:16.46xeon-enoufmick_laptop: don't forget to call Bill, he'd get pissed if you didn't invite him
11:16.52mick_laptopvaldyn: how do i do that?
11:17.08valdynmick_laptop: on gnome?
11:17.11xeon-enoufmick_laptop: around here, i just look at the curbside :-p
11:17.21valdyn!cpufrequtils
11:17.30mick_laptopxeon-enouf: Bill who? i know a few people named Bill ;)
11:17.31valdynmick_laptop: install and configure cpufrequtils
11:17.45xeon-enoufmick_laptop: that Redmond OS guy
11:17.45mick_laptoplooks at that
11:17.48valdynmick_laptop: and add some GUI if you want that
11:17.50mick_laptopoh ok
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11:18.21xeon-enoufwouldn't laptop-mode already install cpufrequtil;s?
11:18.22mick_laptopi thought i might actually know you ;) (local LUG has a few people named Bill who might go w/ me dumpster diving) ;)
11:18.35valdynmick_laptop: thanks to energy output scaling exponentially the small cpu speed decrease can already have huge effects on the temperature
11:19.11liabletypical #debianites getting computers out of dumpsters
11:19.34liableyou people have no shame!
11:19.44xeon-enoufyep; ~$ tasksel --task-packages laptop | grep cpu
11:19.45xeon-enoufcpufrequtils
11:20.30valdynmick_laptop: for compiling stuf you need to set a hard cpu speed limit, for that you probably want a GUI
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11:20.46liablehuh? what?
11:21.15xeon-enoufcaffeine is so much fun on an empty stomach
11:21.17mick_laptopwell since i'm compiling a gui app, i thought it was obvious that i'm running X
11:21.26valdynmick_laptop: sure it is
11:21.35valdynmick_laptop: im saying you want something like gnome-cpufreq-applet
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11:21.53mick_laptopok
11:22.03liablecats sleeping with dogs. this channel has gone mad
11:22.05xeon-enoufmick_laptop: why not just remove all the overhead of X running ;-)
11:22.06valdynmick_laptop: that is why i asked if you were running gnome
11:22.15mick_laptopsensors says that 90+ is critical, i swear it shuts off before then
11:22.35valdynmick_laptop: sensors is full of shit
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11:22.45mick_laptopthat is what i thought
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11:22.55valdynmick_laptop: because the dont have the hardware specific offsets or multipliers
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11:23.07liable99 is about standard for bios shutoff innit?
11:23.22valdynCore 0:      +44.0°C  (high = +78.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
11:23.25valdynthats hilarious
11:23.31mick_laptopya
11:23.38liablenot laughing
11:24.03valdynbut for the same cpu i also have
11:24.22valdynerr, not the same cpu
11:24.28valdyntemp1:       +34.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor = thermistor
11:24.39xeon-enoufliable: did you see my iceweasel crash statement before?
11:24.51iljuhm I remembered that I just simulated drive failure of my software RAID-1 system and forgot to add it back to the array. I figure this is the reason I don't see changes happening in the actual bootloader menu. Is this thinking correct? =)
11:24.53liablexeon-enouf: no
11:25.02xeon-enoufliable: --> man, i love how killing ONE stinkin firepoop PID completely wipes out ALL of X!
11:25.07action09xeon-enouf thanks for g4l :)
11:25.12liablexeon-enouf: i dont think i want to know about it either :P
11:25.20valdynilj: possibly
11:25.28xeon-enoufaction09: heh  - there's a g4u out there ;-)
11:25.41xeon-enoufliable: it's painful - i understand
11:25.44liablexeon-enouf: i would blame your video driver for that
11:25.48iljnow syncing disks.... will confirm if it's true or not in aproximately 50 mins only =)
11:25.52xeon-enoufliable: Xorg nv ?
11:26.03liablexeon-enouf: even better, YES!
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11:26.24liablenividia eveil
11:26.28xeon-enoufugh - on an olde FX-5500?
11:26.30liableevil even
11:26.55mick_laptopvaldyn: ok, i have the monitor up - i swear this just gives me a % -- not really useful if you want to set limits
11:27.07mick_laptopam i missing something?
11:27.07xeon-enoufilj: that means you have 2x grub installed
11:27.07liabledunno, i'm just rambling
11:27.08xeon-enoufilj: which means ; wrong menu.lst
11:27.19valdynmick_laptop: i dont understand
11:27.25valdynmick_laptop: what "monitor"
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11:28.05mick_laptopgnome-cpufreq-applet
11:28.08valdynmick_laptop: gnome-cpufreq-applet allows you to pick the governor and the frequency
11:28.26mick_laptopdoesnt on mine
11:28.34valdynmick_laptop: on which debian release?
11:28.42xeon-enoufyeah!
11:28.42valdynmick_laptop: did you try left-clicking it?
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11:28.56mick_laptopeh umm, oops :)
11:29.00xeon-enoufmick_laptop: you using ubuntu? or something?
11:29.27mick_laptopi never left clicked before you said to do so :)
11:29.34xeon-enoufreverses his mouse buttons
11:29.36mick_laptopi missed the obvious :)
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11:30.41mick_laptopvaldyn: thanks -- i have it set to 800Mhz now, i'm guessing it is safe to have it that low
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11:30.52valdynmick_laptop: sure its safe
11:30.53action09xeon-enouf thanks one more time :)
11:31.10alin_badilahas anyone tried initng?
11:31.24mick_laptop10 degrees cooler already
11:31.44mick_laptop:)
11:31.46mick_laptopthanks
11:32.22xeon-enoufaction09: ;-) there's always the tar+gz, or rysnc {and it's variants} and others like backuppc, amanda, partimage (to name a few)
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11:32.55xeon-enoufjudd: versions init-ng
11:32.57juddxeon-enouf: init-ng --
11:32.59xeon-enoufjudd: versions initng
11:33.00juddxeon-enouf: initng --
11:33.09xeon-enoufalin_badila: no :-p
11:33.35xeon-enoufwonders if innserv replaced that
11:33.43xeon-enoufjudd: versions innserv
11:33.44juddxeon-enouf: innserv --
11:33.48valdyninsserv doesnt replace
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11:34.05xeon-enoufugh - liable ; i lost my bot-fu :-(
11:34.24liablecall the whambulance!
11:34.28liableruns
11:35.46xeon-enoufwell duh!
11:35.48xeon-enoufinsserv - Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies
11:35.54xeon-enoufnot innserv
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11:37.58maxagazhow to check the ip of the machine that gave an ip to my computer ?
11:38.11maxagaz(its dhcp server)
11:38.16valdynmaxagaz: /var/log/messages.4.gz
11:38.18xeon-enoufmesa_booger: aye - what's that boot-something oh yeah, bootchart
11:38.19valdynmaxagaz: /var/log/messages
11:38.35mesa_booger"route" command shows default gateway, which is often the same as the dhcp server
11:39.29valdynmaxagaz: nvm, its not in messages buit /var/log/syslog
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11:43.54maxagazvaldyn, thanks, /var/log/messages also gave me some intersting information
11:44.23maxagazi'm trying to do boot on lan
11:44.41maxagazso i installed ltsp, but it seems not to be enough
11:44.42kpjunglefor some reason, when apache2 serves up a standard webpage to me, its not parsed as HTML, anyone know why?
11:44.53maxagazit seems i also need to install pxe
11:45.42darkhami need help with transcode, i would extract audio traxks form a dvd iso mounted, but i don't know how chose the stream and i i can extract in flac
11:45.50AnViar_<kpjungle> try FireFox\Opera
11:45.51maxagazif this is the case, then i don't undertand why using ltsp instead of dhcp-server's classical config
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11:46.08mick_laptopkpjungle: what is it served as?
11:46.36mick_laptopdarkham: vlc might help (has a wizard for that)
11:46.37kpjungleactually, when i use IE, it works, but firefox, it just displays the contents as a txt file would
11:47.03darkhammick_laptop: true? great...
11:47.07mick_laptopis it web accessable?
11:47.41AnViar_<kpjungle> it is may by only lags of browser...
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11:47.56kpjunglehmmm
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11:48.25AnViar_<kpjungle> test on different browser
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11:48.52AnViar_<kpjungle> such as epyphany
11:48.58kpjunglebut could it be some setting in apache that sends it in a different code?
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11:49.14xeon-enoufuses same engine as IW/FF AnViar_
11:49.25cahootempty the cache?
11:49.38AnViar_<kpjungle> i dont think so
11:49.39xeon-enoufkpjungle: man a2enmod?
11:49.48mick_laptopthat is what i thought, i was going to try it and read the http headers
11:49.56AnViar_<xeon-enouf> I know )
11:50.01mick_laptopxeon-enouf: has nothing to do w/ that
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11:50.19kpjunglelet me try all of your suggestions, ill get back to you :)
11:50.35xeon-enoufyeah, but that sounds like the cgi-bin or whatever hasn't yet been updated (cache issue as mentioned)
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11:51.00mick_laptopAnViar_: yes you can force apache to send txt instead of rendering html (it would be if you mucked with the AddType handlers)
11:51.08mick_laptoperr kpjungle
11:52.05mick_laptopxeon-enouf: also cgi-bin has nothing to do w/ html rendering
11:52.12AnViar<mick_laptop> But He is say, that Its default apache page without editing....
11:52.19mick_laptopright
11:52.37mick_laptopthat is why i'd look at the http headers to see what might be up
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11:52.54mick_laptopalong w/ clearing the cache
11:52.56iljxeon-enouf, yeah that most likely explains it all :)
11:53.30xeon-enoufmick_laptop: sure it does, i just mentioned the wrong item, cause i'm too lazy to go look it up
11:54.08mick_laptopthat is for .cgi and .pl (etc) -- not for html rendering like: .html and .htm
11:54.31xeon-enoufi didn't even mean any .cgi or .pl .. but nm
11:54.32kpjungleok. its not the cache on FF.. still does it
11:55.15xeon-enoufkpjungle: did you close FF entirely, then restart it? and without restoring last session?
11:55.23kpjungle[26/Sep/2009:13:54:45 +0200] "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)"
11:55.34xeon-enoufkpjungle: and how areyou running IE? in WINE?
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11:55.50kpjunglejust on my win7 computer
11:56.05castyour WHAT?
11:56.06AnViar<kpjungle> test on default apache-page, please
11:56.10xeon-enoufand where are you running FF from?
11:56.16kpjunglexeon-enouf same
11:56.23xeon-enoufwhunderful
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11:57.31xeon-enoufsupposes kpjungle thought it might've been an a2 issue
11:57.36elli222Hi
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11:57.50elli222How would i change the background of a VT?
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11:59.30kpjunglexeon-enouf checked out a2enmod.. doesnt seem to be the case afaik
11:59.57xeon-enoufkpjungle: yeah - was a silly thought - apologies
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12:00.17kpjunglexeon-enouf everything helps :)
12:01.07cahootkpjungle: if one browser displays correct while another doesn't I'd guess it's a browser matter - empty its cache?
12:01.16xeon-enoufkpjungle: so you have a Debian server running a2? are you testing with more than just the same page?
12:01.20mick_laptopkpjungle: stop listening to him and start listening to me
12:01.43AnViar<mick_laptop> )))
12:01.46liable...
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12:01.55kpjunglexeon-enouf yes.. tested with multiple pages... mick_laptop im listening to you all
12:02.00mick_laptopkpjungle: check the cache (as stated before) and check the http headers
12:02.00xeon-enoufkpjungle: and i doubt we could help with a ##windows browser issue ;-)
12:02.16kpjunglei doubt its a browser issue tbh..
12:02.36xeon-enoufkpjungle: who made the 'pages'? ;-)
12:02.48mick_laptopdid you try to serve a few different pages?
12:03.00kpjunglexeon-enouf default apache page + some i made myself..
12:03.02kpjunglemick_laptop yes
12:03.19mick_laptopwhat file extension do they end w.?
12:03.21xeon-enoufpre-made ones (known to be written properly) might help
12:03.34xeon-enoufok
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12:03.48kpjunglemick_laptop tried both with .htm and .html
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12:04.01mick_laptopok, is the site publically available?
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12:04.21mick_laptopas in, on the internets :P
12:04.23kpjunglemick_laptop no, im afraid not
12:05.01mick_laptopok, have you looked at the headers yet? (you can use the ff extension HTTP Live Headers)
12:05.17kpjunglemick_laptop cool, ill look at that now.
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12:05.47kpjunglei am thinking of clearing everything apache wise (again), but no matter what i apt-get remove, the files are still there..
12:05.48mick_laptopkpjungle: can you post the html?
12:06.11mick_laptopi'm thinking that it might be something w/ css not rendering some text or something
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12:06.29mick_laptopkpjungle: --purge
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12:06.41xeon-enoufcareful
12:06.55mick_laptop:)
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12:07.02kpjungleits pretty simple: <title>test page</title><html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
12:07.16mick_laptopok
12:07.18xeon-enoufyou shouldn't be removing and reinstalling {lib-}apache2 :-p
12:07.28mick_laptopi agree
12:07.30liableoooh, html lessons!
12:07.45xeon-enoufelli222: that'd be up to your $TERM, iinm, mine's 'linux' here
12:08.08mick_laptopkpjungle: though i'd leave apache alone (regarding reinstalling)
12:08.12liablevt100 is what real men use
12:08.30mick_laptopliable: real men from 1980
12:08.50liablemick_laptop: with proper facial hair!
12:09.11mick_laptopand proper eye-wear
12:09.18xeon-enoufelli222: man console_codes ; but there's likely an easier way ;-) use a FB ;-)
12:09.28liableyep, horn rimmed glasses all the way
12:09.28elli222xeon-enouf, i AM using a FB
12:09.35xeon-enoufoh
12:09.40xeon-enoufwhich one elli222 ?
12:10.12xeon-enouf!fbcon
12:10.12dpkghmm... fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>
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12:11.08tjoffI'm trying to get rssh to work but I get kicked out the moment I connect, is there some common pitfalls that could result in that?
12:11.12tjoffssh log: http://pastebay.com/57284
12:11.15kpjunglei dont get that when i remove and purge, and then reinstall, that it doesnt install an apache2.conf
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12:11.40elli222xeon-enouf, yeah, idk. im really confused now. but things like SDL can draw graphics, so i assume im using a FB...
12:11.54liablekpjungle: /msg dpkg confmiss
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12:13.19mick_laptoptjoff: tried scponly? it might be easier to setup
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12:13.49tjoffmick_laptop: I need to be able to list files as well (isn't possible with scponly, right?)
12:14.04kpjunglehehe, when i do the confmiss command, and try and start apache, it comes up with: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
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12:14.23mick_laptopkpjungle: tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
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12:14.45liablekpjungle: uh, you had a different nick yesterday?
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12:15.00mick_laptoptjoff: i forget
12:15.01kpjungleliable not that i know of?
12:15.25xeon-enoufelli222: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt;hb=HEAD#l68
12:15.28iljxeon-enouf, valdyn, cahoot, vizzy so I added a fake failed drive back to the RAID array and now bootloader menu displays everything I added to menu.lst. Sorry for making noise and not checking everything under my nose ^___^
12:15.30liablesomeone was here with that exact problem yesterday
12:15.46xeon-enoufelli222: it's also in any recent kernel source /Documentation
12:16.02kpjungleyeah.. i think that was me with the confmiss.. but i dealt with this error, by just deleting the lines with Order.. but it doesnt seem like a solid solution
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12:18.25xeon-enoufspeaking of browser issues; someone using IW 3.5.x (from experimental) go to lxr.linux.no/ and start browsing code or Docs, please tell me if your cursor becomes this MASSIVE large BLACK BLINKING thing along the left side (covering line numbers + like 100-200 pixels extending to the right)
12:18.52elli222xeon-enouf, yep, i am using a FB, i don't understand when you say "which one" because there is only 1 FB on my system, /dev/fb0.  lsmod | grep fb reveals nothing.
12:18.58mick_laptoptjoff: http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Features  <--- it can list (sftp is available)
12:19.18xeon-enoufilj: no worries ;-)
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12:19.38xeon-enoufilj: it's important to understand how/why that happened
12:19.41tjoffoh, thanks. I think there was a reason for why I didn't look at scponly at first but I'll look into it
12:19.54xeon-enoufilj: now go to the 2nd disk and alter the grub there :-P
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12:20.18xeon-enoufelli222: there are quite a few FBs available
12:20.42xeon-enoufelli222: grep -i vesa /var/log/dmesg
12:21.03xeon-enouf[    0.978452] fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device
12:21.14elli222yep, thats the one
12:21.50xeon-enoufelli222: debian has it compiled in, so =y, it's not an external module
12:22.03kpjungleawesome.. got it working guys.. a2enmod + a2ensite got it working after complete reinstall with confmiss
12:22.13xeon-enoufheh
12:22.15elli222mmm, debian and ubuntu are actully quite different then
12:22.17kpjunglethanks alot for all your help
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12:22.58xeon-enoufelli222: yep - for ex, no /etc/whatever-that-thing-is-that-ubuntu-replaced-init-with/ dirs :-
12:23.17elli222xeon-enouf, ubuntu uses upstart
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12:23.45elli222xeon-enouf, but still uses a regular (and compatible) script system :V
12:24.02xeon-enoufelli222: ~$ egrep 'FB|CONSOLE|FRAME' /boot/config-2.6.30-1-686
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12:24.15alin_badilahas anyone tried firestarter for internet connection sharing?
12:24.19xeon-enoufelli222: right, upchuck - i should've recalled ;-)
12:24.51elli222xeon-enouf, that would be amd64 for me :3
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12:25.12xeon-enoufelli222: or just config-`uname -r` ;-)
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12:25.37elli222xeon-enouf, but i only want to change the background colour for ONE VT (the one i use to view logs)
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12:30.48iljxeon-enouf, the second disk, one that played out a role of a fake failed, was synced once I added it back to array meaning that it became an exact copy of the one that contained an edited version of menu.lst :)
12:30.48karmehow is the relationship between debian menus (menu policy) and the opendesktop? .desktop menu files? which route to take to provide menu entries for graphical apps in debian?
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12:31.37xeon-enoufhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~nixphoeni/gdesklets/develbook/dsp-tag-display.html elli222
12:32.03iljokay, so now I'm facing public keys issue when using aptitude update (remember this is an fresh install of etch from net-inst). Where do I get those?
12:32.11xeon-enoufilj: indeed - however... oh nm ;-)
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12:35.03iljspecifically, > W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
12:35.14pro-rsoftHm, is there someting like a Build-Recommends ?
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12:36.40mick_laptopilj: /msg dpkg etch key
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12:38.07iljmick_laptop, cool, thank you!
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12:39.27elli222xeon-enouf, that page was for gdesklets
12:39.42iljsince it seems you guys are knowledgeable about debian - and I am not - maybe you could show me a command sequence to do etch-to-lenny upgrade? I found a couple of blog posts and such but they differ in approaches and I'm kind of hesitating as to which to follow =)
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12:40.49xeon-enoufelli222: ugh
12:41.01valdyndpkg: etch -> lenny
12:41.02dpkgvaldyn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
12:41.10valdyndpkg: etch->lenny
12:41.10dpkgRead the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>.  Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade).  Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny".  aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.  Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
12:41.14valdynilj: ^^
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12:42.28kpjungleack.. great day.. now phpsysinfo is not working :)
12:43.05iljis reading release notes optional? ^____^
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12:43.54kpjungleilj  sorry ?
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12:45.33iljkpjungle, I'm jesting about if it is really mandatory to reald lenny release notes since this require a lump of time :)
12:46.06chellomereilj, if you're upgrading, you _should_ read the upgrading part of the release notes, at least.
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12:51.10kpjungleanyone know if theres an issue with phpsysinfo?
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12:54.36nnnnhi how do i increase the hard limit of FD for a user on a server?
12:54.37nnnn!fd
12:54.37dpkgfd is, like, at http://www.freedevelopers.net.  File Descriptor
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12:57.52nnnnasg: would the <item> in limits.conf be nofile?
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13:03.14asgnnnn: should be
13:03.32nnnnasg: do i just save that file? or do u need to reload something?
13:03.56asgjust restart the daemon
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13:22.02TrueDDHi all
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13:27.28kripzhow do i copy bit for bit sdc to sda
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13:29.23Dartagnanhi my friends
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13:29.46Dartagnani installed
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13:30.10Dartagnana squeeze debian sitro and i need to compile a module
13:30.14Dartagnani would use
13:30.26Dartagnan"m-a "
13:30.37Dartagnanbut it do not work
13:30.38Dartagnan:(
13:30.39cahootDartagnan: see if module-assistant offers the option
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13:30.55cahootmeh
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13:30.57Dartagnani installed it
13:31.11Dartagnanhow i can see if moduleassistant
13:31.15Dartagnanoffer the option?
13:31.31cahootDartagnan: if it's listed in 'select'
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13:31.51Dartagnan???
13:32.31cahootrun m-a and follow prompts
13:32.46Dartagnanm-a
13:32.46Dartagnanbash: m-a: command not found
13:33.14cahootinstalled it
13:33.16cahoot?
13:33.20Dartagnanyes
13:33.32cahoottry as root then
13:33.41Dartagnani am root
13:33.44Dartagnan:(
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13:34.34cahootseems like a time for Athos or Portos
13:34.56Dartagnanhahaha
13:35.07Dartagnanbuild-essential è già alla versione più recente.
13:35.17cahoot!b-e
13:35.17dpkgwell, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages.  If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential".  If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package.  Ask me about <qotd49>.
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13:37.42Dartagnani have a i386 queeze installed and it works
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13:38.01Dartagnan( i need to compile fglrx modle for my ati graphic card )
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13:40.16bbelt16aghey  how do i  rebuild my modules for my new kernel
13:41.35Dartagnanm-a update
13:41.38Dartagnanm-a prepare
13:41.46Dartagnanm-a build module
13:41.51bbelt16agthanks
13:41.52Dartagnanm-a install module
13:42.02Dartagnannothing...
13:42.03Dartagnan:P
13:42.05mick_laptopok something odd
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13:42.49mick_laptopif i put an ice pack to my netbook i get it to -1 degree. i set it to 800MHz instead of 1.6 GHz -- immediately it drops by 10 degrees
13:43.16mick_laptopsomething tells me that my hardware isn't telling me the truth
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13:43.35Dartagnanhahahhaha
13:43.38Dartagnansolved
13:43.41Dartagnanmy friends
13:43.43Dartagnan:)
13:43.49Dartagnani had not
13:43.56Dartagnanmodule assistant
13:43.57Dartagnanahhaha
13:44.00Dartagnani am mad
13:44.01Dartagnan:S
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13:46.35k]tDartagnan: did you have to build your kernel from source before using "m-a a-i fglrx"?
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13:49.02Dartagnankjt
13:49.07Dartagnanit is a new installation
13:49.10Dartagnan( for me )
13:49.19Dartagnani installed testing
13:49.23Dartagnanon my laptop
13:49.24k]tme too
13:50.00Dartagnanmmm
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13:50.23Dartagnansqueexe seems does not have
13:50.30Dartagnanfgrlx packets
13:50.40Dartagnani need to install it from
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13:50.44k]tright, but im just saying -- fglrx looks for kbuild.include in /usr/src/linux-headers(blah blah) -- an cannot find kbuild.include, s0 the build fails
13:51.07k]ts/an/and/
13:51.13Dartagnanyou have to
13:51.22Dartagnanput
13:51.27Dartagnanyour kernel source
13:51.32Dartagnanhust a moment....
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13:51.45Dartagnanyou have compiled the kernel by yourself?
13:51.54Dartagnanor you have just installed the distro?
13:52.12k]tbut in lenny i had the same problem, --built the kernel from source and it built the kbuild scripts.
13:52.13maligorsqueeze has fglrx in non-free
13:52.26xeon-enoufk]t: have you installed the linux-kbuild pkg for your kernel?
13:52.45Dartagnanah
13:52.47Dartagnanok
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13:52.56k]tright but theres this logo that says for testing purposes only -- the driver works fine, but the resolution was truly off.
13:52.57Dartagnani will update my sources.list
13:52.58Dartagnan:D
13:53.19maligork]t, did you use kernel package to build your kernel?
13:53.22k]tcrap i gotta run --thanks guys for a bit of info though ...
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13:58.56iljthis is a question I wanted to ask for quite some time... is there a way to set command prompt format and color for all users? I'm speaking here system-wide configuration file or something equal.
13:59.36pistacheilj: change /etc/skel
13:59.50pistacheor change all .bashrcs (for bash)
13:59.58pistache/etc/skel will work only for new users
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14:01.53patrikfor bash sources it beforehand
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14:12.19sassynati need some help with create a deb file
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14:12.37sassynatcan someone please help how to make a rules file?
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14:13.49debsansassynat, you should read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
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14:15.48Woodihumbolt: not realy but probably pppd manual will help
14:16.25humboltWoodi: no, can be done via interfaces file somehow
14:16.25humboltneed this for xen
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14:22.38kripzi sit possible to get the status of dd?
14:22.44rajeshsrCan any1 help with configuring a wieless broadband USB?
14:22.54rajeshsrit detects it as a storage device
14:23.04rajeshsrand gets the vendor and product id
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14:25.13xeon-enoufkripz: man dd see -USR part there
14:25.18rajeshsrI want to get wireless broadband configured in my linux box..
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14:25.52rajeshsrwen i plug it in, it is detecting it as a mass storage
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14:27.28jelly-homerajeshsr: which manufacturer? Have you tried using usb-modeswitch?
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14:27.55rajeshsrjelly-home, Huwei
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14:28.23jelly-homehuawei, right, that app might help
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14:28.37rajeshsrjelly-home, oh, ok, am yet to try that..
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14:29.09jelly-homejudd: versions usb-modeswitch
14:29.10juddjelly-home: usb-modeswitch -- sid: 1.0.2-1 squeeze: 1.0.2-1
14:29.15jelly-homehum.
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14:30.09jelly-homeif you're using Debian stable, you'll have to backport it, rajeshsr.  /msg dpkg ssb
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14:32.07jelly-homemy issue is that I _want_ to use this Huawei E180 as usb-storage in addition to the GSM (well, HSPA) modem, but there are weird hal blacklists.
14:32.22jelly-home!blame hal
14:32.22dpkgblames sassynat and hal for all the evil in the world
14:32.34rajeshsrjelly-home, oh, lemme see. thanks!
14:32.35rajeshsrhaha!
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14:34.17sassynatcan some please help how to make multiple binary packages?
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14:42.11xeon-enoufsassynat: try maybe #debian-mentors - i think on irc.debian.org
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14:48.20Cryp71cI'm trying to download debian, but there are 5 dvds worth...I'm confused =\
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14:48.55maligorCryp71c, well, it's the full set
14:49.10WyzardCryp71c: If you have a fast Internet connection, you only need the small netinst CD; the system can download software as-needed
14:49.12fbhCryp71c: Does the computer you want to install on have a proper netconnection?
14:49.12maligorCryp71c, probably the most common way to install debian is to use the netinst image
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14:49.30dominikshello guys.. noob question: im gonna install 3-4 distros on my comp.. is it good practice to mount all of them to the same one /home partition? or is it better to keep homes separated please?
14:49.33mavhchaving even 1 full cd makes the whole thing more annoying/complex
14:49.37WyzardCryp71c: The full DVD set is for people who want to be able to install *any* software in Debian at any time without needing an Internet connection
14:49.48Cryp71cmaligor, fbh, wyzard, well I'm considering using it on my netbook, which - at least with slackware - hasn't worked with stock net drivers.
14:50.22Cryp71cFurthermore If i like it, I'll be using it on my works ystem (again, instead of slackware) but I don't want to spend 4 hours downloading every package knwon to man.
14:50.24maligorit has a dvd drive?
14:50.27Cryp71cNope
14:50.42WyzardCryp71c: You could also download just the first DVD (which has the most common software) and install from that
14:51.17Cryp71cWyzard, so dvd 1 has the kernel, some WM, common software and most build dependencies for common compiles, etc.?
14:51.17WyzardCryp71c: Once you get your network drivers working (after installation) it'll be able to download packages when needed, so you don't need the other discs
14:51.44WyzardCryp71c: Yes, the discs are arranged in (approximate) descending order of popularity
14:51.49fbhdominiks: Well you can easily DO it, but I would not do it. If I want a partition with shared data I'd create one dedicated to that.  Having shared /home can cause programs to constantly overwrite each others configs etc.
14:53.31dominiksfbh: ok.. thx for the advice
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15:05.15Drakesonhow can I set or change the program that is used to open .desktop files that contain urls?
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15:06.14Drakesoncurrently I have iceweasel and opera installed, and set iceweasel to be the default browser via "prefered applications" in gnome's preferences settings. yet opera opens .desktop files!
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15:07.18xeon-enouftry gconf-editor or gconftool-2
15:08.15DrakesonI searched for "opera" in keys and values in gconf-editor, and got none.
15:09.08xeon-enoufhow about some sort of Files of Type dialog within System>Preferences? i don't use gnome; /msg dpkg gnome
15:09.19xeon-enoufsearch for .desktop, not opera
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15:10.29xeon-enoufmaybe some ~/.dmrc is mucking you about
15:10.39Drakesonxeon-enouf: I was looking for a "File Types" or some such in System > Preferences. found none.
15:11.18xeon-enoufaren't they just text files? or are they XML?
15:11.28k]txseon-enouf: so you suggest that i get kbuild, in this case linx-kbuild-2.6.26-2-486 ?
15:11.29xeon-enoufhas no DE
15:11.47Drakesonxeon-enouf: the problem is that I don't know _where_ or _which files_ they are.
15:11.52k]ts/linx/linux/
15:12.14xeon-enoufkripz: i'd imagine so - look for a -686 though, or .. upgrade 1st to that
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15:12.18Drakesonapparently mailcap is not used anymore, or not all the time.
15:12.47xeon-enoufDrakeson: /usr/share/* ? but use locate or find
15:13.06xeon-enoufopera opened one, so you must know where one is
15:13.51DrakesonI think xdg-open decides that (not opera), but I am not sure what sort of file they use.
15:14.24xeon-enoufk]t: you have more than 1G system RAM? if so, install -686 (-image-, -headers- , -kbuild-)
15:14.44Drakesonweather they cache .desktop files in /usr/share/{apps,applications,app-links}, or there is some other trickery involved.
15:14.59Drakesonxeon-enouf: sorry that it turned into a rant.
15:15.11xeon-enouf15:01  * xeon-enouf has no DE
15:15.14xeon-enoufheh
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15:15.32lolufailhi!
15:15.42lolufailwhat do you guys think? is this another cable problem, or broken drive, or broken controller? http://pastebin.com/m4198d670
15:16.14k]terr, im using a -486 image because my 2.6.30 -- which is my amd64 sys has too many problems.
15:16.49k]twait, no i have 686
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15:17.02k]twait...
15:17.08k]tLinux version 2.6.26-2-486 (Debian 2.6.26-17lenny2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 Fri Aug 14 01:02:21 UTC 2009
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15:18.44Wyzardk]t: You're using a -486 kernel on an amd64 system?
15:18.55k]tyes =(
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15:19.43k]tin 2.6.30-686, practically none of my hardware is detected... im still quite new to linux so its challenging.
15:19.55k]tespecially coming from wind0ws
15:20.31Wyzardhmm, that's strange; I've had no problems with 2.6.30
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15:20.49k]t?
15:21.19k]tits probably just my sys, but thanks, i guess ill just google some more =\
15:21.25xeon-enoufk]t: are you sure? have you tried lately? have you tried the BPO .30?
15:21.41xeon-enoufor did you grab the sid .30?
15:21.48iljanyone uses pure-ftpd on lenny?
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15:22.28k]ti added squeeze to apt/sources.list and ran full-upgrade.
15:22.32xeon-enoufk]t: Linux version 2.6.30-1-686 (Debian 2.6.30-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Debian 4.3.3-15) ) #1 SMP Thu Jul  <--look at the difference in gcc version
15:22.44xeon-enoufk]t: oh dear
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15:23.08Wyzardk]t: then you're not running stable anymore
15:23.12shivrajno sound no sound, help help
15:23.17k]tRIIGHHTT
15:23.19xeon-enoufso you're on Squeeze now, using a Lenny kernel? (i know squeeze had .26 for a long time)
15:23.37k]tya
15:23.54xeon-enoufit's actually,  the Installer kernel even
15:24.00xeon-enoufversion
15:24.07shivrajwhat are some steps to get my sound to work ?
15:24.14k]tkernel 2.6.30-686 is there, i just don't use it...
15:24.20xeon-enoufk]t: how much RAM is installed?
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15:24.44xeon-enoufk]t: that -486 won't access kmore than 1G of it
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15:24.53k]tphysical--4GB, virtual--(14G)
15:24.57xeon-enouf...
15:25.11markybobcome again?
15:25.12xeon-enoufk]t: free -m output says 1G
15:25.25k]t<PROTECTED>
15:25.26k]tMem:             0          0          0          0          0          0
15:25.26k]t-/+ buffers/cache:          0          0
15:25.26k]tSwap:           12          0         12
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15:25.27xeon-enoufyeah, the virtual is funky
15:25.32xeon-enoufhahaha
15:25.38xeon-enoufoh dear
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15:25.42k]tsry
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15:25.57k]touch -- i never noticed that
15:25.59xeon-enouf0 RAM .. nice
15:26.15xeon-enoufAll 12 M of swap - nice system ;-)
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15:26.54xeon-enoufk]t: pastebin some info fior us, lscpi -nn, and /var/log/dmesg
15:26.55k]tsorry, i can't quite notice if you're being sarcastic or laughing or honest. please clarify.
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15:27.12xeon-enoufk]t: </sarcasm>
15:27.15k]tok...
15:27.24markybobi'm more in awe of inconsistency and weirdness
15:27.46xeon-enoufwe some VM goofiness abounding?
15:27.48k]tone sec
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15:31.25xeon-enoufis it even possible it's a VM that's only been allocated like 64M ram? and the kernel + pci address space is eating it all up? Still free should show it?
15:32.10xeon-enoufonce saw a guy where from /proc/meminfo said Buffers: 0 kB ...but free et al all showed proper Buffers/Cache
15:32.20k]t00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge [1022:9600]
15:32.31xeon-enoufk]t: pastebin
15:32.35xeon-enouf!paste
15:32.35dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:32.40k]thttp://pastebin.me/2496406b336722568902fff42b7cdf28
15:33.09xeon-enouf(Blank Paste)
15:33.15k]ti just have probs.
15:34.04k]tthat should be it though... http://pastebin.me/2496406b336722568902fff42b7cdf28
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15:36.42k]thonestly though - i see no difference in performance when using 486 compared to 686
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15:37.58xeon-enoufit should actually be better k]t
15:38.16xeon-enoufk]t: just ... you lost 3G of your RAM ;-)
15:38.34k]twell any ideads?
15:38.42xeon-enoufpaste!
15:38.46k]t/ideads/ideas/
15:39.07xeon-enoufpaste!paste!paste!  ;-)
15:39.21k]t?
15:39.30xeon-enoufthat pastebin.me craps are empty
15:39.49xeon-enoufuse pastebin.com already
15:40.02k]t?
15:40.07xeon-enouf...
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15:42.03k]thttp://jqd.org/pastebin?id=681
15:43.40k]toh, now i see it -- use highmem64g
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15:45.16xeon-enouf3.2G is much better than 1G, and pae is a hackl use an amd64 kernel
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15:45.20natalie_Hello, I was wondering if anyone could assist me with my wireless.  I have tried both the madwifi and ath5k compiled from compat in an attempt to connect to my wireless router.  At this time, however, I have not been able to establish a connection.  I am not sure what to do next.
15:45.59k]tyea, i'll try...
15:46.19xeon-enoufyou don't need the '<' to cat a file k]t
15:46.40k]theh
15:47.15xeon-enoufKernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=LinuxKVT ro root=803
15:47.18xeon-enoufer
15:47.38k]ti just like to remember that for whatever.sh -- e.g. cat TEXT << EOF ....text....EOF
15:47.56k]t?
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15:48.18xeon-enoufk]t: er
15:48.20xeon-enouf<PROTECTED>
15:48.32k]t?
15:48.38xeon-enoufare you joking? you are missing 3 CPUS!
15:48.43xeon-enoufwell cores
15:49.08xeon-enoufk]t: your install is soooo oh sooo wrong - try again ;-)
15:49.36xeon-enoufk]t: actually - the -486 isn't SMP-aware -
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15:49.57xeon-enoufbut still, how'd you manage to get all those 0s in free output
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15:50.20k]t-g option ..
15:50.28simonrvnwtf is "?" supposed to mean? are we supposed to guess what you mean by that?
15:50.35k]tno.
15:50.50simonrvnthank you
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15:51.23xeon-enoufk]t: a -686 will see all 4cores + upto ~3.5G RAM + pci address space - the -686-bigmem will see that + ALL the RAM using PAE to address it, the -amd64 kernel will do that and more, and NOT use PAE
15:51.57shivrajwhy is my sound card only working on the block output and not the green ? its intel_hda
15:51.57shivrajblack
15:52.06xeon-enoufk]t: your -486 is too old for that CPU ';-)
15:52.10k]tok
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15:52.43WyzardUsing PAE (e.g. -bigmem kernel) also gets you hardware protection against buffer overflows, since your processor supports XD
15:53.08xeon-enoufk]t: i said free -m
15:53.12xeon-enoufnot -g
15:53.39k]ttotal: 885
15:54.02xeon-enoufright - better
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15:54.22xeon-enoufso, why do you have 12G of swap!? hehe
15:54.40k]tlow diskk space
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15:59.22g00seIs this Picasa picture stuff any good? Can we Debheads use it?
15:59.36xeon-enoufWyzard: were you aware of this change sometime back? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c673f1a9d994de501b674b2bb6a48bd5e912afe0 but i don't have a Debian -bigmem to check with here, but it'd be silly not to have both those enabled with a name like -bigmem :-)
15:59.38Kuifje111hello all. when I am trying to format my external HDD using "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" I get "CPU #01 stuck for 61s", this message keeps repeating.
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16:00.24xeon-enoufenzotib: aptitude has a way to show all marked A -- Autoinstalled
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16:01.24simonrvng00se: it's ok, but there's similar packages in debian that don't require wine, like f-spot
16:01.32g00se!tell cablguy about lspci
16:01.34xeon-enoufKuifje111: try "taskset -c 0 command ..."
16:01.34enzotibxeon-enouf: many of those are not marked as ?automatic, also if they are installed in the initial system installation procedure
16:01.51g00sesimonrvn: Ugh, so it's partly native then?
16:01.52Wyzardxeon-enouf: I hadn't known about that, but just checked and CONFIG_X86_PAE is set in config-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem but not vanilla 2.6.30-2-686
16:02.06simonrvng00se: it also doesn't use the system installed wine, but its own packaged one
16:02.13cablguyHmmmm  :/
16:02.24natalie_Hello, I have tried both the madwifi drivers and the ath5k drivers to connect to my wireless network.  I can see my network, but it will not connect.  I am not sure what needs to be done next.
16:02.34xeon-enoufWyzard: right - as one would expect, i was looking for HIGHMEM64G in -bigmem as well :-)
16:02.55simonrvng00se: nope, not at all. i'd go for f-spot or maybe check out that new one in sid, phatch
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16:03.25simonrvn!ath5k
16:03.25dpkg[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices.  Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24.  NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead.  For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>.  See also <backports.org>, <wireless tree>.
16:03.33Kuifje111xeon-enouf: you mean like this "taskset -c 0 mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1"? and what does that do?
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16:03.47xeon-enoufenzotib: tasksel --task-packages gnome or something, h.. oh nm
16:03.59xeon-enoufKuifje111: yes, ties it to CPU0
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16:04.01g00sesimonrvn: I'm trying to ween someone off Windows. They're keen on Picasa. Are there compatibility issues with 'our' Picasas?
16:04.17xeon-enoufKuifje111: not that it solves the underlying issue ...
16:04.31xeon-enoufKuifje111: man taskset for more
16:04.36simonrvng00se: not that i know of. they could fetch it off google's deb line
16:04.41Kuifje111xeon-enouf: yeah, I rather do that. it all began when I replaced my RAM.
16:04.51xeon-enoufruh roh
16:04.51Kuifje111xeon-enouf: but I also reinstalled debian.
16:04.57Kuifje111xeon-enouf: with the netinstall.
16:05.03xeon-enoufbut still - RAM issue
16:05.18Kuifje111xeon-enouf: I ran memtest for 12 hours, no errors.
16:05.25xeon-enoufdid you memtest86+ it? Overclocking? Faster RAM?
16:05.37xeon-enoufwhy did you replace it?
16:05.40Kuifje111memtest86+, yes, no not overclocked
16:05.45simonrvnlike i said, it runs off wine
16:05.48Kuifje111because the old RAM was faulthy.
16:05.52g00sesimonrvn: Sorry - didn't get you there. Are you saying that Google's got a Picasa .deb?
16:06.14xeon-enoufKuifje111: installed same amount? same speed as earlier? replaced it ALL?
16:06.21Kuifje111yeah
16:06.28Kuifje111not same speed, as far as I know
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16:06.29xeon-enoufa,b,c ?
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16:06.46Kuifje111replaced it all, yes.
16:06.53Kuifje111should I update my kernel?
16:06.53xeon-enoufright - well - netisntall amd64? i386?
16:07.01Kuifje111i386
16:07.01xeon-enoufuname -r
16:07.06enzotibxeon-enouf: thanks, i'm checking
16:07.09Kuifje1112.6.26-2-686
16:07.20xeon-enoufKuifje111: you're on Lenny?
16:07.23Kuifje111yeah.
16:07.26xeon-enoufcat /proc/cmdline says?
16:07.39simonrvng00se: yes
16:07.39Kuifje111root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet
16:07.43xeon-enoufenzotib: i use dpkg-query, grep-status, one sec
16:08.10xeon-enoufKuifje111: ok - well , you could try /msg dpkg bpo and use/try the .30lenny-backports kernel
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16:08.19xeon-enoufKuifje111: is that a laptop?
16:08.21dominikshello, im getting error: "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." when trying download iso torrent from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/  any ideas pls?
16:08.27Kuifje111xeon-enouf: no, desktop.
16:08.49xeon-enoufok - any PM-utils or cpufreq scaling installed?
16:09.00cablguyanyone can help me step by step on this airocard please?
16:09.04Kuifje111xeon-enouf: no, it is an almost totally clean install.
16:09.12Kuifje111xeon-enouf: only mc, ssh, and sabnzbd installed.
16:09.34Kuifje111xeon-enouf: and I only selected basic system to install at the setup.
16:10.06g00sesimonrvn: Sorry to pester and thanks
16:10.14xeon-enoufenzotib: for example; "dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort | less" will list all of those of that package priority
16:10.14simonrvnnp
16:10.51cablguyI got a Cisco aironet 350 aircard on my Toshiba Satellite laptop that I need to get working..  any help would be great..
16:10.57xeon-enoufKuifje111: interesting, i bet dmesg is flooded with errors? itdoens't just happen with mkfs, right?
16:11.10Kuifje111xeon-enouf: not sure about that, havent done much with it yet
16:11.27Kuifje111Blue-Box:~# dmesg | grep Error
16:11.28Kuifje111[ 9.168431] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...
16:11.28Kuifje111[ 9.270780] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...
16:11.28xeon-enouf!what's my hardware
16:11.28dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!  If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation.  See also <myram>.
16:11.32Kuifje111only errors there are
16:11.36xeon-enoufthere, try some things ;-)
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16:12.14xeon-enoufKuifje111: that doesn't work (yourgrep)
16:12.35Kuifje111why not?
16:13.11xeon-enoufKuifje111: what was your original question?
16:13.23Kuifje111could I do some stress tests to see if this problem only occurs when using mkfs.ext3?
16:13.52xeon-enoufCPU stuck for 61s ... right? you see the word Error in that? and with thatexact case-sensitivity /
16:13.55xeon-enouf?
16:14.01Kuifje111why it is causing this error "cpu #0 stuck for 61s" when formatting my external HDD using "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1"
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16:14.26xeon-enoufmkfs.ext3 to your hearts content - even do it on files
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16:14.34enzotibxeon-enouf: very intersting
16:14.43Kuifje111xeon-enouf: yesterday I have been told I should check dmesg after the error occurred, but it if frozen after I get that error.
16:14.48darkhamhi, i've http://pastebin.com/m42ef301b
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16:14.54darkhamthis is a lsdvd result
16:14.59cablguywaits
16:15.00darkhamhow can i extract the tracks in flac of the lpcm stream?
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16:15.13Kuifje111but it is*
16:15.31xeon-enoufentirely forgot about lsdvd heh
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16:15.57darkhamxeon-enouf, :)
16:16.06cablguyis waiting for help on Ciscso aironet 350
16:16.21xeon-enoufdarkham: it's in mpeg/mp3? use mencoder or something to extract the audio -ao, and convert it
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16:17.08Kuifje111xeon-enouf: before I used "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda" (no partition, but whole disk) to format my external HDD, that caused kernel panics.
16:17.22pistacheKuifje111: wow.
16:17.51Kuifje111yeah, someone already said my PC is haunted, I guess he's right.
16:17.55xeon-enoufKuifje111: it shouldn't
16:18.25Kuifje111I concur.
16:18.27xeon-enoufit'll just make fdisk output look flakey and grub won't like it if you try to boot it :-P
16:18.47darkhamxeon-enouf, i don't know right the syntax for each track
16:18.56darkhami've fear to go wrong
16:19.06Kuifje111ok, so what should I do now?
16:19.11xeon-enoufdarkham: try #mplayer, #vlc, #ffmpeg #xine
16:19.31Kuifje111is there a way I can debug after that error occurred, to unfreeze it?
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16:19.36xeon-enoufdarkham: also see what dvd+rw-mediainfo tells you - dvd+rw-tools pkg
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16:19.53xeon-enoufKuifje111: just try the BPO .30
16:20.12xeon-enoufKuifje111: /msg dpkg sysrq - but that won't help on a kernelpanic
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16:20.23xeon-enoufyou need gdb
16:20.39Kuifje111I dont get a kernel panic when formatting the partition instead of the whole disk.
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16:24.41shivrajlooks at his state of the art computer
16:25.12shivrajpetemc: morning
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16:27.25xeon-enoufKuifje111: what CPU is that?
16:27.44Kuifje111an AMD 3000+
16:28.06Kuifje111athlon
16:28.07xeon-enoufuff .. i have one here, not installed though ;-)
16:28.35xeon-enoufi'm not hearing good things.. lately .. those older amd64 seem to have some issues, never really addressed
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16:28.52xeon-enoufwell, mine's a s754
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16:29.22xeon-enoufprior to it's dual channel ram controller
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16:30.50Kuifje111xeon-enouf: I guess it's my RAM, since I replaced it..
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16:31.28xeon-enoufKuifje111: all 3 banks/slots populated?
16:31.37Kuifje111only one of two.
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16:31.59xeon-enoufhrm...
16:32.08xeon-enoufso one 512M stick?
16:32.12Kuifje111yeah
16:32.21xeon-enoufwas the last one 512?
16:32.25Kuifje111yeah
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16:32.37xeon-enoufok, and what's the speed diff if any?
16:32.58xeon-enoufKuifje111: try what /msg dpkg myram tells you - pastebin
16:33.03Kuifje111I think they differ a couple of MHz.
16:33.15xeon-enoufKuifje111: is that a s939? i doubt it, but
16:33.20xeon-enoufcouple?
16:33.33xeon-enouflike 400MHz and 402MHz? :-P
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16:33.46Kuifje111no, not that little
16:33.57Kuifje111100 mhz or so.
16:34.00dominiksany recommendations for good irc client (gnome or console)?
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16:35.40Kuifje111xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/d112f16fa
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16:39.11xeon-enoufKuifje111: well, that wasn't helpful - heh - have you tried swapping the slot?
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16:39.43Kuifje111xeon-enouf: will try that.
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16:40.17xeon-enoufDIMM1 should generally be populated 1st - also, cna you temporarily get your hands on a perhaps slower MHz and higher latency (CLS) stick?
16:40.24k]thmm, i might just stick with 486... thanks again xeon-enouf -- cya.
16:40.45xeon-enoufk]t: what happened? :-(
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16:41.05k]tnothing.
16:41.18xeon-enoufk]t: there's many boot params you cvould try, like pci=nommconf
16:41.22xeon-enoufetcetcetc
16:41.24k]tim just looking around and there seems to be more support for x86 archs.
16:41.44xeon-enoufk]t: everything we've talked about is all x86
16:42.10k]thmm.. =(
16:42.28xeon-enoufk]t: amd64 came out with the extensions for 64bit first - hence they get credit; hence -amd64 ARCH
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16:42.47k]tfair.
16:42.50xeon-enoufk]t: it's all x86_64
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16:43.30xeon-enoufthe i386 port (-486/586/686, -bigmem, etc) are the 32bit versions of x86
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16:45.34k]tsay ok, but for the sake of my system--i probably shouldn't try compiling a new kernel
16:45.56clarjon1k]t: bad mem? overheat easily?
16:46.17k]tdoubt it.
16:46.20mesa_boogerby all means compile a new kernel. then realise the truth : there is no spoon
16:46.28pistachethe cake is a lie
16:46.33xeon-enoufclarjon1: Amd64 Quad-core, but using -486
16:46.34k]tbut i see forks!
16:46.40clarjon1xeon-enouf: ouch
16:46.44clarjon1why 486?
16:46.51clarjon1that's just...
16:46.54Kuifje111xeon-enouf: ok, I guess we fixed the problem now. I probably put the DIMM in the wrong slot.
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16:47.03xeon-enouf!bjork mesa_booger 's spork
16:47.07Kuifje111xeon-enouf: testing it now, you'll hear results soon.
16:47.08xeon-enouf:-P
16:47.19Kuifje111quite lame, but ok.
16:47.24Kuifje111if that is it
16:47.28xeon-enoufok Kuifje111
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16:47.55k]tyea, i'll try sonner or later.
16:48.00k]tl8r
16:48.03xeon-enoufclarjon1: that's what i said ...
16:48.15clarjon1xeon-enouf: You winced too, huh?
16:48.21xeon-enoufi cringed!
16:48.47clarjon1xeon-enouf: I was walking up the stairs with my laptop when i read it! I near about dropped my laptop at it!
16:48.59xeon-enoufyou should've seen when i asked for free -m and he posted all 0s for every field!
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16:49.24clarjon1forces k]t to use AT LEAST a i686 kernel
16:49.32k]tplus this comp isn't that great -- its a Gateway-DX4200 -- compared to others... i have the worst model.
16:49.37clarjon1dude
16:49.42xeon-enoufclarjon1: he used -g :-p .. oh except for the swap whch was a whopping 12 Megabytes :-P
16:49.56clarjon1k]t: That doesn't mean you have to hold back on it's processor!
16:49.57k]t12 GIG
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16:49.59xeon-enoufk]t: that's a nice system
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16:50.15clarjon1k]t: Dude! Come ON, your system is sweet
16:50.16xeon-enoufk]t: i asked for -m, so i presumed 12M!
16:50.20k]tyea whatever...
16:50.28k]t((about the system))
16:50.36xeon-enoufclarjon1: 4G ram installed too!
16:50.42clarjon14g?
16:50.44clarjon1whimpers
16:50.59k]tmy eyes were on the FX though when i was at frys elec
16:50.59clarjon1i only have 1g
16:50.59xeon-enoufclarjon1: -486 see up to 1G, and misses 3Cores!
16:50.59clarjon1k]t: I WANT YOUR PUTER IF YOU DO NOT WANT IT
16:51.00k]tyep... i should've got the intel dual core though ((for the price))
16:51.03xeon-enoufhahaha
16:51.14clarjon1k]t: If you won't take care of it, i will
16:51.23xeon-enouf!donation
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16:51.32xeon-enoufbah dpkg:
16:51.36clarjon1dpkg
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16:51.42clarjon1dpkg:
16:51.42dpkgclarjon1: bugger all, i dunno
16:51.48k]tyou are funny.
16:51.49clarjon1dpkg donation
16:51.49dpkgclarjon1: no idea
16:52.11clarjon1k]t: No. I'm serious. I could turn that into a kickass server, even use it as a gaming machine (with linux)
16:52.16xeon-enoufk]t: listen - i got this nice working pII we could swap!
16:52.28clarjon1k]t: WHY aren't you using a amd64 kernel?
16:52.35k]ti'm outta here.......
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16:52.37k]tl8r...
16:52.43clarjon1wtf
16:52.44clarjon1dude
16:52.58clarjon1why is he hating his computer?
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16:53.23xeon-enoufclarjon1: they say - the system doesn't like the -686 .30 .. don't even think they ever got to a -bigmem, nor a -amd64
16:53.23Kuifje111xeon-enouf: it's no use, I get all sorts of erros. I get a segmentation fault on boot now, and had had another error before that when executing mkfs.ext3.
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16:53.44Kuifje111xeon_enouf: I guess it's the RAM after all.
16:54.03xeon-enoufKuifje111: possibly something else is wrong ... checked your BIOS settings? possible other hardware issue
16:54.07xeon-enouf!caps
16:54.08dpkgDon't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations.  To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
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16:54.17xeon-enouf!capacitors
16:54.17dpkgsomebody said capacitors was no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail.  If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging.  See http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=78 for the story and http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i303/30328_4mg.jpg for a photo, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
16:54.30Kuifje111xeon-enouf: thanks for your help, but I'll give up for now.
16:54.38clarjon1pets his 2 year old laptop
16:54.59clarjon1it seriously is like a cat. It purrs over skype, and runs better after it's petted >.>
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16:55.21xeon-enouffailing PSU even .. minute cracks in Mobo - does it happen from a long rest. then cold boot?
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16:55.46clarjon1It could need the board to be rebaked
16:55.53clarjon1to fix any poor solder jobs
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16:56.25clarjon1Like how the ps3's and 360's are needing it :P
16:56.30Kuifje111? it all occurred when I switched the RAM, everything was fine before then.
16:56.38clarjon1oh
16:56.38clarjon1well
16:56.48clarjon1Kuifje111: Have you tried reseating all the ram and all the hard disk cables?
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16:57.03Kuifje111the RAM DIMMs, yes.
16:57.19Kuifje111it's no use, I guess this RAM is incompatible with my motherboard or something like that
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16:57.32k\tand lastly, if i was on windows -- i obviously wanted to cpu for games and what not...
16:57.33clarjon1Kuifje111: What's the ram speed on the old and new ram?
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16:57.43bluesceadacl
16:58.06Kuifje111not the same, but my motherboard book states it should support it.
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16:58.31clarjon1Kuifje111: Check your bios/cmos settings. If it's looking for a certain speed of ram in there...
16:58.47clarjon1Kuifje111: Also, check the mobo for any jumper switches that has to do with ram speed
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17:01.12xeon-enoufKuifje111: what mobo? have you tried messing with the RAM timings? does your BIOS have that option - 2ndly voltage, but be very careful with raising it too high - some specific google searches should help you
17:01.20zarelimanhow can I fix sound in my system, sometimes works, sometimes it doesnt
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17:02.00xeon-enoufclarjon1: Kuifje111 also stated memtest86+ ran for 12hours, no errors, so can
17:02.09xeon-enouft be incompatible Kuifje111
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17:02.21unfancyhi
17:02.45unfancyi run debian lenny with gnome and nothing really special that i know of...
17:02.54xeon-enoufclarjon1: that was when RAM was in slot 2 of 2, now it's in 1
17:02.56clarjon1xeon-enouf: well, i dunno
17:02.58unfancyis it save to empty tmp with tmpreaper while the system just runs?
17:03.31unfancyor (what) do i have to protect? like there seems to be a keyring dir? is there a neat guide?
17:04.00xeon-enoufany /X0-lock dir won't like it
17:04.27SteveHHhuhu
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17:05.52unfancyknow of a tmpreaper config that protects gnomes stuff?
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17:07.23xeon-enoufjust reboot ; have TMPTIME=0 in /etc/default/rcS
17:07.27xeon-enouf:-P
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17:17.39fredluhm. I'm confused.
17:18.08fredlI'm in a group 'src', I'm in a directory root:src 775
17:18.19fredlhowever I can't create files in it.
17:18.27fredlscratches his chin
17:18.46fredldid unix permissions start working differently?
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17:21.33fredlwhat happened did I scare everybody away?
17:21.35mesa_boogeryes. september 22nd was New UNix Day
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17:35.36fredlgoodness it's quiet here!
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17:35.50alekzHi! How can I rescan a sata drive?
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17:36.05fredlwhat do you mean with rescanning?
17:36.26alekzfredl I just plugged a SATA to the mobo, so I want my Debian to detect it
17:36.59fredlit should see it automatically, check dmesg
17:37.20fredlhow many disks do you have in the box?
17:37.22Saz|LaptopI need to see if some files exist on sdb7 of my software raid
17:37.36Saz|Laptopsince mdadm hasn't synced yet, I'm hoping I can get somthing off of it
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17:37.55xeon-enoufalekz: rescan-scsi.sh
17:38.14alekzfredl one IDE and this SATA I just plugged
17:38.19alekzxeon-enouf where can I get the script?
17:38.22xeon-enouf!scan scsi
17:38.26xeon-enouf!rescan scsi
17:38.26dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, scsi rescan is echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host).  Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi.  Or, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh
17:38.31Saz|Laptophow do I grab data off of the drive if its partition type is linux raid autodetect
17:38.46simeonhow do you play FLAC files in .wav format on linux?
17:38.50Saz|LaptopIm fine if i end up screwing with the drive data, I can just re-sync it
17:38.58simeonactually on Lenny to be precise
17:39.02xeon-enoufrescan-scsi-bus.sh , ok so i wa off by a few letters, sue me
17:39.26fredlnever heard of that before, learn something new every day I guess.
17:39.48xeon-enoufhotplug + controllers via libata
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17:39.56alekzthanks xeon-enouf let me work on it
17:40.00fredlwell, today and yesterday I've been learning too many new things.
17:40.05fredlmy head hurts.
17:40.21fredloh he hotplugged it??
17:40.31fredlthat makes sense, I never used that before.
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17:40.36xeon-enoufi don't even sataII confirms hotpluggability as a must for spec
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17:41.12xeon-enoufit's one of those *secret-society* deals
17:41.24xeon-enouflooks over at mesa_booger
17:41.24fredlI don't know either and don't really care actually. hotplugging is kinda futile I think.
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17:41.34alekzxeon-enouf  if I'm getting: "Error: SCSI subsystem not active" that means is not recognizing the drive?
17:41.46asdzxchi
17:41.58fredlalthough with an eSATA disk I guess it's important.
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17:42.28xeon-enoufalekz: pretty much - any thing in /proc/scsi/scsi? that's older though, i think maybe gone even - look at dmesg | tail
17:42.36asdzxcis there a way how can i watch already running process and see what exactly is it doing ? for example, which files is it opening
17:43.03xeon-enoufalekz: unless, your compiling options suck ASS :-)
17:43.09jelly-homeasdzxc: use strace
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17:43.38asdzxcjelly-home: is it possible to run strace on already running process ?
17:43.46fredlasdzxc, strace -p <PID?
17:43.48fredlehr
17:43.49jelly-homeyes.
17:43.50fredlasdzxc, strace -p <PID>
17:43.57alekzxeon-enouf looks there's a problem with this drive... Would you mind to take a look? http://alekz.pastebin.com/d20dfb2f3
17:44.07asdzxcfredl: thnx, i will try it
17:44.21xeon-enoufalekz: any external enclosure? esata port?
17:44.33asdzxcjelly-home: tnx
17:44.34alekzNo xeon-enouf
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17:45.04k]tLinux version 2.6.30-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.30-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-1) ) #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 21:08:31 UTC 2009
17:45.09fredlalekz, well uh I see you have hdd ?
17:45.20fredlwhich looks weird for a sata disk.
17:45.27xeon-enoufKuifje111: i just noticed your paste was dmidecode -t memory output , hahaha - i wanted you to run decode-dimms
17:45.47fredlhmm funny log that is.
17:46.00xeon-enoufk]t: /o/ |o| \o/
17:46.28mesa_boogerxeon-enouf: there is a plague of too-young-and noobish-to-be-wannabe script kiddies in a certain channel just now. haha. oh and have you heard, windows is better than linux. it's official. the marketing director of micro$oft said so
17:46.35k]t=)
17:46.38alekzfredl I got that SATA from a school to backup some stuff, but it looks there's a problem with it
17:46.41xeon-enoufk]t: now - heh - check free -m and /proc/cpuinfo
17:46.57xeon-enoufclarjon1: wehasawinner ;-)
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17:47.22k]ttotal 3967
17:47.29fredlalekz, looks like it.
17:47.42clarjon1yes :)
17:47.51clarjon1k]t: told you, amd64 for the win
17:47.54alekz:(
17:48.06fredl#
17:48.06fredl[    6.284045] ata4: failed due to HW bug, retry pmp=0
17:48.23k]t=)
17:48.44jelly-homefredl: that doesn't mean much really
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17:49.35fredlhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468800
17:49.36xeon-enoufalekz: not looking so good, but which module does your controller use?
17:49.39k]tcpuinfo looks ok (each processor listen separately)
17:49.50k]tlisted*
17:49.54xeon-enoufk]t: attadebianista!
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17:50.25fredljelly-home, agreed but it doesn't look promising.
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17:50.38xeon-enoufalekz: lspci -k should tell us
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17:50.51xeon-enoufalekz: unless Lenny, then doesn't exist yet then
17:51.04alekzxeon-enouf I'm on squeeze, let me check
17:51.43xeon-enoufmesa_booger: ouch .. i pay no mind to such drivel ;-)
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17:52.00alekzxeon-enouf 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] | Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems Device 4390 | Kernel driver in use: ahci
17:52.03xeon-enoufalekz: pastebin entire output of lspci -nnk then
17:52.07fredlare you sure the cable it connected properly, the cable is not damaged and that kind of stuff alekz?
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17:52.21alekzfredl already double checked
17:52.23xeon-enoufok, well achi does hotplug
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17:53.01fredlalekz - have you also tried just rebooting the system, take off the power if you have to?
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17:53.14xeon-enoufalekz: did you have it plugged in and mounted when you booted, and now testing hotplug?
17:53.15alekzxeon-enouf Then should I load the SATA as IDE? RAID?
17:53.16fredlthat's probably not going to help much but just to be sure.
17:53.59fredlI don't think he's really concerned about hotplugging it, just needs to make some backup for school.
17:54.04alekzActually I haven't reboot, since I'm compiling some stuff that will take a long time
17:54.07xeon-enoufalekz: did you umount it prior atlease? how about eject? or sdparm? .. oh wait, the sdparm thing is for USB enclosures
17:54.12alekzyeap, I don't care that much about hotplug
17:54.21Woogahello, after last xorg update on debian squeeze, '    Option         "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,compose:rwin"' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is now ignoring compose option, while after runing 'setxkbmap -option compose:rwin' it working fine
17:54.29alekzI can wait
17:54.44fredlalekz how long will the compile last then? hours? days?
17:54.47Woogaanyone know how to fix this and make xorg read compose option from xorg.conf properly?
17:55.02alekzfredl Maybe 2 hours , so I think I'll have to wait
17:55.33fredlwell I don't think that rebooting/repowering will help much so don't get your hopes up. just successive elimination.
17:55.53alekzxeon-enouf http://alekz.pastebin.com/d5d92ad44
17:56.18alekzI think the guy who gave me the disk from the school messed it up
17:56.39jelly-homealekz: uname -r?
17:56.49fredlhe's on squeeze.
17:56.51alekz2.6.30-1-amd64
17:57.02jelly-homethat controller used to have issues, esp. with hotplugging
17:57.11jelly-home(well, the driver did)
17:57.28fredlis this by any chance a gigabyte motherboard alekz?
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17:58.54fredlwell unfortunately I'm not too familiar with hotplugging and the troubleshooting thereof.
17:59.23fredlI think a lot of server admins may have that 'problem' though :-)
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18:00.11xeon-enoufgotta love that "Miscellaneous control" stuff -> Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K10 [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] Miscellaneous Control [1022:1203]
18:00.13fredlI want to put my blu-ray writer in an eSATA box though.
18:00.28alekzI'll wait and I'll check what's going on with the reboot and chaging from AHCI to IDE..
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18:00.53harkWooga: set it in /etc/default/console-setup or using dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
18:01.06xeon-enoufalekz: don't change from ahci
18:01.18alekzoh ok
18:01.34fredljust powerdown and let the kernel check for the disk at boot time.
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18:01.51xeon-enoufalekz: when/how did that occur? just .. out of the blue? you unplugged it?
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18:02.48alekzxeon-enouf This is the second time I use this SATA on my box, first time worked normally (not hotplug, I plugged it with the box powered off), now I asked for the same disk again, the guy gave it to me so I don't know if he removed it correctly
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18:04.11xeon-enoufalekz: this time though, did you hotplug it only so far?
18:04.37alekzYes, only hotplug
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18:05.45xeon-enoufWooga: hark, isn't that what all that consolekit and policykit stuff is for?
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18:06.55xeon-enoufalekz: well, find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -name 'scan' says ? pastebin if needed
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18:08.02Woogahark: i setted XKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/console-setup to "grp:alt_shift_toggle,compose:rwin", but it didn't helped
18:08.19shivrajchuk in the craw from a picka
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18:09.08Woogaoh damn, it is not working without restarting hal
18:09.28Woogahow do i burn out this hal s**t ?
18:09.43clarjon1Wooga: rm -rf *? ;)
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18:09.56Woogadamn, i want usual xorg, working with damn plaintext config files
18:10.03harkWooga: you can disable hal in xorg.conf. see the last link in /msg dpkg hal
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18:10.26Woogahark: thanks
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18:14.20alekzxeon-enouf bash: /sys/class/scsi_host/host4/scan: Permission denied
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18:15.56xeon-enoufalekz: is that all?
18:16.02alekzyes xeon-enouf :(
18:16.23xeon-enoufalekz: ok, as root or sudo
18:16.23alekzxeon-enouf I'm doing it as root
18:16.34xeon-enoufbut, that's enough to tell me;
18:16.38xeon-enoufugh
18:16.52xeon-enoufalekz: was that from find .... ?
18:17.10alekzwhat you mean from find?
18:17.21xeon-enouf17:56 < xeon-enouf> alekz: well, find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -name 'scan' says ? pastebin if needed
18:17.48xeon-enoufas in "find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -name 'scan'"
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18:18.08alekzoh, got no results actually
18:18.10xeon-enoufas in "find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -name 'scan' -ls" even
18:18.19xeon-enoufyou have to!
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18:18.59alekzdebian:/# find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -name 'scan' -ls
18:18.59alekzdebian:/#
18:19.05alekz:(
18:19.22xeon-enoufalekz: remive the -ls
18:19.27xeon-enoufalekz: remove the -ls
18:19.36jelly-homea mere ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host/*/scan will work better, I bet
18:19.38xeon-enoufit;s a fucken file, not a dir/
18:19.51alekzsame xeon-enouf
18:20.26jelly-homexeon-enouf: find needs some more options if you want it to traverse symlinks
18:20.26xeon-enoufjelly-home: that was exactly what iinitially wrote; i erased it in favor of find :-/
18:20.39jelly-homesucks to be you!
18:20.56xeon-enoufit's a symlink? why the F am i echoing to a symlink?
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18:21.09jelly-homels -l /sys/class/scsi_host
18:21.23xeon-enoufjelly-home: i know it'll ignore suymlinks if passed the -type f option
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18:21.25jelly-homeall the entries there are symlinks
18:21.35alekzhttp://alekz.pastebin.com/d55b1e9c3
18:21.38xeon-enouf~$ find /sys/class/scsi_host/ -ls 3658    0 drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root            0 Sep 26 17:56 /sys/class/scsi_host/
18:21.50xeon-enouf== zilch
18:21.52jelly-homeso find doesn't enter them by default
18:22.12jelly-homexeon-enouf: do "ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host"
18:22.29xeon-enoufoh wtf
18:22.41xeon-enoufno thanks
18:23.05xeon-enoufalekz: find /sys -name 'scan'
18:23.27alekzxeon-enouf http://alekz.pastebin.com/d79838c8f
18:23.35jelly-home... try stuff, preferably before suggesting other people to do something that doesn't work at all
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18:24.07xeon-enoufyou were saying??
18:24.21xeon-enoufif find cannot find those fucken files, it's a useless util
18:26.43mesa_boogerwhat i hate about "find" is that it is so picky. surely it should just know what i want ?
18:28.20xeon-enoufalekz: find /sys -name 'scan' -exec cat {} \; (pastebin) and then "echo "- - -" > /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:11.0/host4/scsi_host/host4/scan"
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18:29.16alekzxeon-enouf http://alekz.pastebin.com/d48f2e6b1
18:29.49catsuplol
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18:29.58alekzthat's weird
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18:30.14xeon-enoufalekz: is the drive still plugged in?
18:30.21alekzyes xeon-enouf
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18:30.39catsupthey're write-only eh
18:30.41xeon-enoufalekz: ok, do 'id'
18:30.59alekzuid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
18:31.01xeon-enoufcatsup: good catch - perhaps, yes
18:31.10xeon-enoufalekz: ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:11.0/host4/scsi_host/host4/scan
18:31.17catsup$ ls -l $(find /sys -name scan)
18:31.17catsup0 --w------- 1 root root 4096 2009-09-26 14:30 /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
18:31.24xeon-enoufalekz: paste here ok - yep
18:31.26alekz--w------- 1 root root 4096 2009-09-26 13:29 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:11.0/host4/scsi_host/host4/scan
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18:31.45fredlgood gog, you're still at that hotplug thingie together?
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18:32.27xeon-enoufalekz: unplug the drive, do "echo '- - -' > /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:11.0/host4/scsi_host/host4/scan" ; dmesg | tail ; plug in drive ; dmesg | tail again
18:32.31xeon-enoufalekz: pastebin
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18:32.41alekzok
18:32.47xeon-enouffredl: why not? :-)
18:32.55xeon-enouffredl: what's a gog?
18:32.59xeon-enouf:-p
18:33.04fredlit's a eufemism.
18:33.17Kuifje111what is an eufemism again?
18:33.22sajesfredl: A what?
18:33.28xeon-enoufyou mean yusefmism?
18:33.36fredljfgi
18:33.48Kuifje111xeon-enouf: sorry, I gave up on it.
18:33.52xeon-enouf!google define:euphemisn
18:33.53fredl"The use of a word or phrase to replace another with one that is considered less offensive or less vulgar than the word or phrase it replaces."
18:33.58simonrvneuphemism
18:34.05xeon-enoufi know, typo
18:34.10xeon-enoufstill worked - heh
18:34.12alekzxeon-enouf http://alekz.pastebin.com/d22846e60
18:34.15Kuifje111ah
18:34.38xeon-enoufalekz: whoa ....
18:34.43fredlook wel eufemisme genoemd.
18:34.45xeon-enoufalekz: one at a time!
18:34.55alekzhehe ok
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18:35.41xeon-enoufalekz: how would you be able to plugin the drive between BOTH those 'dmesg | tail' hahaha ,, you are speedy!
18:36.05xeon-enouf~$ plug in drive
18:36.06xeon-enoufbash: plug: command not found
18:36.08xeon-enoufhahaha
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18:36.16fredlhmm dysphemisms are more fun.
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18:36.31xeon-enoufKuifje111: a revelation?
18:36.35alekzlol didn't read haha
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18:36.48xeon-enoufshakes head
18:36.56Kuifje111xeon-enouf: ? It probably is the RAM.
18:37.16Kuifje111!google define:revelation
18:37.17xeon-enoufKuifje111: what was that 'ah' all about?
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18:37.28alekzxeon-enouf http://alekz.pastebin.com/db704fb5
18:37.35Kuifje111the definition of eufemism
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18:37.37xeon-enoufer revealation?
18:37.41xeon-enoufoh
18:37.43Kuifje11120:34 Kuifje111 • what is an eufemism again?
18:37.52xeon-enoufoh ok
18:38.03AimHereA euphemism is a nice way of saying something nasty.
18:38.06alekzxeon-enouf changed to port #5
18:38.12Kuifje111yeah, got it.
18:38.28Kuifje111a subtle way of saying something nasty..
18:38.37fredland a dysphemism is a nasty way of saying something normal.
18:38.43Kuifje111haha
18:38.47Kuifje111that is nice.
18:38.57xeon-enoufalekz: drive is dead - atleast the one on that host# .. if we have to proper one, that is
18:38.58fredlkinda like #debian :P
18:38.59Kuifje111is that real or did you make it up?
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18:39.10fredlno it's real.
18:39.18fredlor so wikipedia says.
18:39.22alekzxeon-enouf that's what I tought it's the drive :(
18:39.34xeon-enoufalekz: a reboot might jhelp - maybe ahci needs to be reloaded - maybe the drive's firmware doesnt have hotpluggability
18:39.37fredland everybody knows wikipedia is always right.
18:39.52Kuifje111never doubt wikipedia.
18:40.04jpinx-eeepcif in doubt - edit it :p
18:40.09alekzI'll try that xeon-enouf if it works I'll come back to let you know the result
18:40.10Kuifje111haha
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18:40.27alekzI just have to wait for the compilation
18:40.50fredlusually you can just resume a compile you know :)
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18:41.15fredlI don't have anything that compiles longer than like, half an hour or so.
18:41.20xeon-enoufalekz: ok
18:41.21alekzyes fredl but I need to finish that for yesterday :P
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18:41.44xeon-enouf!gentoosmite alekz
18:41.44dpkgspends 5 days recompiling alekz, and when it's all done, alekz runs no faster than previously
18:41.54fredlso you have a school project that compiles for several hours?
18:42.08alekzfredl work project actually
18:42.16fredlah ok.
18:42.42fredldidn't you say you got the disk from school?
18:42.50alekzyup
18:42.56alekzthe disk, not the project :)
18:43.03xeon-enouf"the guy" gave it to him ;-)
18:43.14fredlahhh "the guy" right.
18:43.19alekz¬¬
18:43.24Kuifje111ahhh, the guy!
18:43.28xeon-enouf(-8
18:43.35Kuifje111sorry, couldnt leave ot.
18:43.38Kuifje111it*
18:43.38fredl"the guy" being a eufemism for "the bloody asshole that gave me a broken disk" ?
18:43.42Kuifje111couldnt refrain
18:43.44alekzhahaha
18:43.45xeon-enoufhehe
18:43.46Kuifje111haha
18:44.03xeon-enouf!8ball what's fredl 'ph' level/
18:44.03dpkgYes.
18:44.20fredlheh, my acidity?
18:44.25simonrvn"euphemism"
18:44.37fredlsimonrvn, I'm Dutch.
18:44.40xeon-enoufindeed - you're not using your 'ph' for 'f' , so ... :-p
18:44.43fredlwe say eufemisme.
18:45.07simonrvnyou're speaking english; english is also my second language. that's not an excuse.
18:45.15fredland excessive use of ph's is redundant.
18:45.56simonrvnas for your last statement, i agree, but i blame dutch printers :P
18:45.59jpinx-eeepcfredl: don't start a language war
18:46.05fredlok.
18:46.08simonrvnruns away from fredl
18:46.22jpinx-eeepc;)
18:46.47AimHereI suggest we pick on those esperanto bastards first.
18:46.54simonrvnhehehe
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18:47.09simonrvneh?
18:47.42Kuifje111trumpcard.
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18:48.41fredlHTC should be shot for using a USB port for a headset.
18:48.49simonrvnyou a big joker too? :P
18:49.00simonrvnfredl: wah, horrible.
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18:49.25fredlyeah, only so they can sell accessories like little 12 euro cables to get a normal headphone hooked up.
18:49.40clarjon1HTC?
18:49.47fredlyeah Android phone.
18:49.51clarjon1ooh
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18:53.02Nick343My /var/log is taking up 34 gig. would it be a bad idea to thrash the whole directory?
18:53.55jpinx-eeepcNick343: probably not a good idea
18:54.10sajesNick343: It'd probably be a better idea to figure out why it's taking up 34GB.
18:54.18jpinx-eeepcNick343: delete tthe oldest
18:54.35Nick343there are debug.[number].gz files taking up several gigs each
18:55.05Nick343same with kern.log.[number].gz
18:55.14jpinx-eeepcNick343: work out whats writing so mamy debug logs
18:55.48simonrvnthose older ones i'd *trash* AFTER you find out why it's logging so much, and what's causing the errors
18:55.58Nick343Alright, I will have a look inside
18:56.08simonrvn*NOTE THE 'AFTER '*
18:56.10Nick343any suggestions for text editors that open 6 gig log files :p
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18:57.17AimHere'cat'
18:57.20petemceval $(lesspipe) ; less foo.gz
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18:57.31simonrvnstart with a pager, you don't need to edit
18:57.44nick4What is the fastest way to download the latest Debian Squeeze ISO? This mirror is really slow:  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/
18:57.57petemcnick4: what does cat /proc/sys/vm/block_dump say?
18:58.10petemcerm
18:58.15Nick343it says 0
18:58.18clarjon1lol
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18:58.28Nick343literally
18:58.30nick4(ok, wrong tab, no problem)
18:58.31dersquishernick4, isn't there a bittorrent for it?
18:58.41nick4dersquisher where? I can't find it
18:58.44Nick343woops
18:58.50nick4I keep finding older ISOs on trackers
18:59.00nick4There is bittracker.debian.org but it doesn't respond!
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18:59.12clarjon1dersquisher: he's wanting the latest weekly build :P
18:59.18dersquishernick4, http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ but it's only for stable
18:59.22nick4yes, just like clarjon1 said
18:59.24dersquisherclarjon1, yeah, just figured that out too
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18:59.30Nick343I think I figured it out. I turned on bandwidth monitoring in webmin, and my log is full of bandwith messages
18:59.31AimHereIf the torrents don't work, there's a list of debian mirrors for some other dl sites
18:59.46nick4dersquisher I want the latest weekly release of Squeeze
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19:00.17xeon-enoufjelly-home: didn't mean to be belligerent and pissy, i was getting fed up cause a) i messed up via adding a -ls to find (when i knew, but forgot it was a file, but that shouldn't matter) and b) find wasn't being cooperative ;-)
19:00.32dersquishernick4, jigdo should work with your current, and hopefully fast, mirror
19:00.55nick4Okey, I haven't tried the  jigdo method before. Let me check it out.
19:02.09nick4fail? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc2/i386/jigdo-cd/
19:02.41AimHereI suppose installing an old squeeze CD then hooking the machine to the for the apt-get upgrade dance is unfeasible.
19:03.23nick4AimHere actually I had a nice working Squeeze installing running but then I updated and all hell broke loose
19:03.25clarjon1nick4: You need to install jigit, jigdo-file and jigdo it looks like from repos.
19:03.30simonrvn!webmin
19:03.30dpkgfrom memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix.  Check it out at http://webmin.com/  Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin.  "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server."  See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal.  Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
19:03.58AimHereHeh.
19:04.00clarjon1webmin is nice... :(
19:04.12xeon-enoufsyscp?
19:04.34clarjon1It's a helluva lot better than any other CP i've used :P
19:04.35Nick343lol, point taken
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19:05.26xeon-enoufhttp://www.syscp.org/features.html
19:05.46xeon-enoufclarjon1: not as good as ssh ;-)
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19:06.21imduffy15anybody know how i can do a repair install off grub2 windows over wrote it :/
19:06.36simonrvngrub-install ..
19:06.42imduffy15wouldn't work
19:06.47imduffy15looks for /boot/grub/stage1
19:06.56imduffy15which doesn't exist :(
19:07.09xeon-enoufrecent squeeze dailies use grub2 as default
19:07.32xeon-enoufgrub-mkimage or grub-mk[TAB]
19:07.40simonrvnso you need to get another copy. reinstall it.
19:08.08RvGaTexeon-enouf, offtopic: http://blog.syscp.org/why.html, look at the first comment at "Voices from people using SysCP" :P
19:08.12dersquisherhmm, does debian/control get autogenerated with cdbs these days?
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19:09.03xeon-enoufRvGaTe: haha - nice
19:09.20dersquisherah, stupid control.in
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19:10.15xeon-enoufdersquisher: man dh_gencontrol ?
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19:12.50clarjon1xeon-enouf: True, but for things like setting up samba shares etc, i find it a lot nicer than editing those files by hand.
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19:13.15fredlwait... I think I just heard somebody say " I had a nice working Squeeze installing running but then I updated and all hell broke loose"
19:13.29alekzOk, compilation is finished, I'll reboot and see wha happens xeon-enouf brb
19:13.40sajesfredl: Only if you have a text to speech program.
19:13.41fredltry powering down too.
19:13.53clarjon1lol
19:14.09lepine1Hey guys, this might seem a little weird, but is there a way to save a gedit buffer through the command line?
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19:14.17picinatogood day
19:14.37lepine1X froze up while i was working, and don't want to lose whatever i've done since I last saved (too long ago)
19:15.14picinatoCan someone tell me how to start the network resource without being logged in?
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19:15.48picinatoTo start the server I'm having that for the login and password.
19:16.37xeon-enoufpicinato: network should be up ~ /etc/rc1.d/S4o or so, IIRC
19:16.51xeon-enoufer s/S4o/S40
19:17.12xeon-enoufit's in one of the init.d/README files
19:17.29JemtI'm trying to get Firefox 3.5 running on Lenny. I'm receiving this error: "Error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared obj". Any suggestions? xulrunner-1.9 is installed.
19:17.52xeon-enoufugh
19:17.59sajesJemt: IIRC, 3.5 needs xulrunner 1.9.1.
19:18.04dersquisherso, I'm trying to add debugging symbols to libvte. I added an entry in debian/control for the -dbg package, edited rules to get the strip into the -dbg package
19:18.05xeon-enoufexperimental IWversion? or FF?
19:18.18dersquisherbut when I check the -dbg package contents, it only has docs in them and no symbols
19:18.24dersquisherwhat am I missing?
19:18.55dersquishera debian/libvte9-dbg.install?
19:18.56xeon-enoufdh_make? debian/rules?
19:19.18xeon-enoufdersquisher: best to review /msg dpkg nmg
19:19.36dersquisherxeon-enouf, will do
19:19.37dersquisherthanks
19:19.59xeon-enoufjudd: versions iceweasel
19:19.59juddxeon-enouf: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.14-1 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 experimental: 3.5.3-1
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19:22.53valdynjudd: you installed an experimental package in lenny?
19:22.53juddvaldyn: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
19:23.02valdynJemt: you installed an experimental package in lenny?
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19:24.19xeon-enoufvaldyn: worse, most likely - took the binary from mozilla.org?
19:24.48sajesOoh. I didn't realize experimental had 3.5. Guess now I have a reason to learn how to use pinning. :)
19:25.30xeon-enoufjudd: versions xulrunner-1.9
19:25.32juddxeon-enouf: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.7-0lenny2 squeeze: 1.9.0.13-0lenny1 lenny-security: 1.9.0.14-0lenny1 sid: 1.9.0.14-1
19:25.37Jemtvaldyn: Nope, Firefox from Mozilla
19:25.37dersquisheranyone know what status devicekit has in sid?
19:26.15harkdersquisher: what do you mean by status?
19:26.18picinatoxeon-enouf My network works perfectly, but for all services start I have to log in with the User.
19:26.19xeon-enoufMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090820 Iceweasel/3.5.2 (Debian-3.5.2-1)
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19:27.04xeon-enoufpicinato: services can be autostarted  /msg dpkg startup ; /msg dpkg services ; /msg dpkg rcconf
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19:28.28Jemtsajes: Okay, thanks
19:28.33xeon-enoufii  xulrunner-1.9.1         1.9.1.2-1               XUL + XPCOM application runner
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19:29.02sajesJemt: For what?
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19:29.20JemtYour answer :)
19:29.24JemtSorry for my late response :)
19:29.45sajesJemt: Oh, I'd forgotten. :p no problem.
19:29.49Jemt:)
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19:31.10JemtInstalling Iceweasel instead - guess Firefox 3 is decent enough :)
19:32.18sajesJemt: I'm installing iceweasel 3.5 and xulrunner 1.9.1 from experimental. No need to compromise. :D
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19:33.53Jemtsajes: Stability is a priority to me, so I seldom use anything beyond Testing :)
19:34.37Jemtsajes: Oh, not Debian Experimental, but just the packages? I guess that's a possibility too
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19:35.10sajesJemt: Use apt pinning and you can stick with testing and just install specific packages from experimental.
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19:35.31JemtYes, thank you. I'll look into that later :)
19:35.45sajesnp :p.
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19:37.11[unf]could anyone help me out with installing debian using manual partition?
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19:38.21Jemtunf: http://wiki.debian.org/LennyIllustratedInstall#Partitioning
19:38.29xeon-enoufsajes: running testing and mixing is semi-ok, so long as one accepts and fixes their own breakage ("/msg dpkg tum"), but someone using Lenny primarily should be using backports.org instead, or attempt to make their own backport (/msg dpkg bpo, /msg dpkg ssb)
19:38.34xeon-enoufer and Jemt
19:38.39pipa[unf]: whats the problem?
19:39.12sajesxeon-enouf: I'm using squeeze. :p
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19:39.22[unf]I want to dual boot, I have fedora already installed
19:39.28[unf]I want to format and re-install debian
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19:39.41[unf]I got confused
19:39.42[unf]:(
19:39.58xeon-enoufabout? /msg dpkg ask
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19:43.18darkhamproblems with transcodeù
19:43.34darkhamsome transcode expert?
19:43.36pipa[unf]: so if you don't want fedora just reformat the partions used by fedora.
19:43.56[unf]pipa yeah, I just got confused last time I tried
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19:44.03[unf]I didn't want to use the whole disk
19:44.06[unf]so I went to manual
19:45.42pipa[unf]: well minimal you need a swap and root partion.
19:46.01xeon-enoufyou _could_ just use a swapFILE
19:46.29pipaxeon-enouf: not if you want to install!
19:46.31[unf]pipa could I get an example?
19:46.49[unf]I have 80 gigs for debian
19:46.58xeon-enoufi prefer only primary partitions if using DOS-style disklabels, no matter only 4 are allowed - otherwise, use LVM
19:47.05xeon-enoufthat's plenty
19:47.12xeon-enouf!partitions
19:47.12dpkgYou can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions".  Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>.  Also ask about <list partitions>.  Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/.  Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html
19:47.30xeon-enoufbut don't get so hung up on partitioning
19:47.54xeon-enouf!tell [unf] -about ig
19:48.30[unf]so I need to make 6 partitions?
19:48.39[unf]/ /tmp etc.?
19:49.44pipa[unf]: no you just need / plus swap is nice
19:49.48JemtThanks for elaborating, xeon-enouf
19:49.59xeon-enoufnp
19:50.04[unf]so how big do I make each if i'm using 80 gigs?
19:50.15xeon-enoufhow much RAM [unf] ?
19:50.20[unf]4 gigs
19:50.20simonrvn[unf]: depends... if it's a desktop, it won't matter much, and you can share the swap from the fedora, if there is one.
19:50.21[unf]ddr3
19:50.27[unf]laptop
19:50.28xeon-enoufmake like 1G for swap
19:50.43xeon-enoufoh, maybe more, for hibernation and such s2ram
19:50.45simonrvn1 GB is plenty, 500 MB even
19:51.32xeon-enoufi _think_ atleasr half RAM is required for s2ram/s2disk? i don't use PM-utils/uswsusp/hiberbation/etc
19:51.40G_O_Ddoes anyone knows how to remove shv4, shv5 rootkits?
19:51.47pipadoes not hibernation get stored on disk anyway?
19:51.57G_O_Di found that in my webserver
19:51.58xeon-enoufbut there's info in kernel /Documentation
19:52.28AimHereIf it's a rootkit, your best bet is just wipe the drive and reinstall
19:52.30xeon-enoufpipa: one would think so, sure ;-) look at hiberfil.sys :-p
19:52.39AimHereIt's the only way to be sure.
19:52.45xeon-enoufindeed
19:52.56G_O_Dyes
19:52.58G_O_Di know
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19:53.08G_O_Dthat's what i'm about to do
19:53.11xeon-enouffredl: do this s/G_O_D/gog :-p
19:54.41pipaanyone know how to kill a process that does not respond to kill -9?
19:55.11mischiefpipa, are you root?
19:55.13xeon-enoufpipa: is it Z or D state?
19:55.18j_14G_O_D: how did you find it?
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19:55.35xeon-enoufpipa: either way, not without rebooting, if init is the PPID
19:55.55pipamischief: xeon-enouf yes root not a Z or D state!
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19:57.06pipaI was hoping the was a way to use the proc file systme, to kill a pid?
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19:57.44clarjon1hehe
19:57.47clarjon1no mass hilight for you XD
19:57.48simonrvndumbass ...
19:58.06xeon-enoufpipa: show us? /msg dpkg zombie
19:58.28xeon-enoufpipa: pstree -lunap, or if not installed, ps auxf
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19:58.54xeon-enoufjust that PID and it's PPID(s)
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20:20.54dersquisherok, so I read in the cdbs docs, as well as on http://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage how to add a debugging package
20:21.10dersquisheryet my -dbg only contains usr/share/docs/ and nothing else
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20:25.03vividim having trouble disabling my screensaver in lenny.  i have not installed gnome-screensaver or gnome-power-manager so my assumption is that xorg is running the screen blanking, how can i disable this permanently?
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20:26.31dersquishervivid, yes, xorg can do that itself too - check xset. Also check for xscreensaver
20:27.21vividdersquisher: xscreensaver is not installed, and i have run 'xset s off' and 'xset s noblank' with no success
20:27.51dersquisherhm, not sure then... you could disable dpms in xorg.conf
20:27.53cahootvivid: dpms?
20:29.23vividand i would do that by removing 'Option   "DPMS"' from 'Section  "Monitor"' and restarting x?
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20:43.43diegoviolahello, i need to build a custom debian net-install cd, with my own packages... etc, so that when i do a net-install, it installs the core and also some extra packages i want, how can i go in doing this?
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20:43.45diegoviolaanyone?
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20:45.15azmwhat source should i add tosee netbeans in synaptic please?
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20:49.57azmok,found it
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20:56.48aarkeriohi! I bought a webcam this morning, works well with chees but adobe flash player can't find it
20:56.53aarkerioany idea?
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20:57.10castyeah, call adobe
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21:00.14diegoviolahow do i build a custom debian cd?
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21:00.46castdepends what kind of cd you're talking about, building a custom debian-live cd isn't too had with lh_build
21:01.05diegoviolanet-install
21:01.36diegoviolathat i could install over the network and also has my packages there installed already
21:02.08CharminTheMooseHey all, I'm running a 2.26.1 kernel and I'm having a problem with my mike, namely there is a terribly LOUD white noise present in my recordings, so much that I can't even hear myself speaking in it.. My soundcard is a Realtek ALC888. FWIW, I don't experience this with windows,so is it a driver problem?
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21:03.47j_14CharminTheMoose: hey, I think you mean 2.6.26
21:04.02Fly-Man-Does somebody know what's happening with Pootle ??
21:05.56CharminTheMoosej_14, heh yes, sorry, a 2.6.26.1 kernel. :P
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21:12.03Fly-Man-Anyone ?
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21:15.25xeon-enoufCharminTheMoose: ouch - try another kernel, also a livecd, grml.org, sysreccd.org, maybe even dyne:bolic or linuxmint or something
21:15.46xeon-enoufCharminTheMoose: BPO has a .30 linux-image for lenny
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21:16.09xeon-enoufCharminTheMoose: which module does that use? lspci -k or lspci -nn
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21:16.22CharminTheMoosexeon-enouf, it uses snd-hda-intel.ko
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21:16.36xeon-enouf(the -k isn't in older versions of pciutils)
21:16.42xeon-enoufahh
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21:17.48xeon-enoufCharminTheMoose: see if any of the parms listed from 'modinfo snd_intel' shows anything - like maybe parm:           enable_msi:Enable Message Signaled Interrupt (MSI) (int)
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21:18.22xeon-enoufi mean, that might possibly help - and it's 'mic' - short for microphone ;-)
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21:18.57CharminTheMoosexeon-enouf, oh right heh. One sec while I reboot after re-compiling my kernel.
21:19.04CharminTheMoose:-
21:19.07CharminTheMoose:-)
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21:24.41xeon-enouf!gentoosmite the M@@5hi3
21:24.42dpkgspends 5 weeks recompiling the M@@5hi3, and when it's all done, the M@@5hi3 runs 0.2% faster than previously
21:25.18CharminTheMooseD:
21:25.50CharminTheMoosexeon-enouf, what's that newfangled command thingy to list all your soundcards as alsa sees them?
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21:26.51CharminTheMooseoh lordy
21:27.16harkaplay -l
21:27.16CharminTheMoosecat /proc/asound/cards reveals that my sound card is now number 4. :P
21:27.35CharminTheMoosecard 4: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog] oh joy. :P
21:28.01Qtronixcan anyone tell me why all webbrowsers loading libjava is complaining about missing .so-file /lib/i386? java is installed both from synaptic AND from java.com (installed in local and symlinked)
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21:29.27soulissonhi i'm looking for a text based smb browser, any idea ?
21:29.44pipelinesoulisson: smbclient
21:29.48Qtronix/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:29.57Qtronixit's pissing me off
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21:30.08pipelineQtronix: does that file actually exist and go somewhere ?
21:30.11Qtronixbrb, gotta walk teh doggy
21:30.37Qtronixnopes, it doesn't, the /lib/i386 doesn't exist at all
21:31.04soulissonpipeline, can smbclient handle broadcast discoveries ?
21:31.04Qtronixboth /lib/i486 and /lib/i686 does tho ;)
21:31.51pipelinesoulisson: don't know.  Read the man page.
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21:32.17CharminTheMoosexeon-enouf, want to bask in the output of 'modinfo snd-hda-intel' with me? :-)
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21:33.44diegoviolaok, i'm doing a net-install now, and i will be customizing that install, is there a script or something i can use later to generate a iso / bootable system from that later?
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21:33.51diegoviolai mean, make a installer from that
21:34.16diegoviolai need to make a new installer with my own stuff
21:34.32CharminTheMoosediegoviola, take a look at bootcd
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21:39.48phantomcircuitis there a way to make NetworkManager only configure certain interfaces?
21:40.11harkdiegoviola: /msg dpkg custom netinst
21:40.32harkphantomcircuit: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
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21:43.05phantomcircuithardnrg, thanks
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21:43.12phantomcircuithark_, thanks
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21:46.09syslq78Lsmod shows only drivers not being compiled into kernel but loaded right?
21:46.27sajessyslq78: lsmod shows modules.
21:46.57syslq78sajes, how can I check if kernel has support built in?
21:47.03syslq78sajes, I forgot
21:47.26sajessyslq78: grep in /boot/config-yourkernelversionhere.
21:47.51sajesUnless it's a kernel you compiled and installed yourself. Then you just go in through menuconfig.
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21:48.11syslq78sajes, yes but I mean how can I list things supported in kernel?
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21:48.55sajessyslq78: Like I said, grep through the config.
21:49.28syslq78sajes, thanks
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21:50.28Tiredwhat kernel support are you checking for
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21:52.13SRabbelierIf I have a makefile target that just prints a message, is there any way to force make to execute it always (even if it already printed the message once)
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21:53.05lolufailany way to speed up mdraid resync?
21:53.18castfaster HW
21:53.33lolufailit's ridiculously slow
21:53.37lolufail8 MB/s
21:53.58lolufailand the drives are working like crazy
21:54.10lolufailI dont get it, md5 resync should be sequential...
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21:57.16Ximbinhauser@debian:/var/www$ ls -l
21:57.16Ximbinhatotal 4
21:57.16Ximbinha-rwxrwxr-x 1 root www-data 45 Set 26 18:04 index.html
21:57.23XimbinhaIs this file permission right?
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21:57.57paxcoderthe first thing is
21:58.21Ximbinhathe root permission you mean
21:58.25castits your file, how are we supposed to know
21:58.38petern_An executable HTML file?
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21:58.58Ximbinhadrwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data 4096 Set 26 18:04 www
21:59.02pickcoderXimbinha: it should be root.root and HTML files are not executable
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21:59.17Tiredthey aren't?
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21:59.27paxcoderroot is the creator, www-data is the owner
21:59.54paxcoderi don't see why the creator should be www-data
21:59.55Tiredthis one is!
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22:00.06paxcoderoh the other way around.
22:00.22phantomcircuitalright so i changed wlan1 to be manually configured in /etc/network/interfaces but NetworkManager is still managing it and NetworkManager is in unmanaged mode
22:00.24XimbinhaI changed against my will. (not really my will0
22:00.27Tiredlolufail, don't do anything else....
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22:00.53CharminTheMooseHey all, I'm running a 2.6.26.1 kernel and I'm having a problem with my mic, namely there is a terribly LOUD white noise present in my recordings, so much that I can't even hear myself speaking in it.. My soundcard is a Realtek ALC888. FWIW, I don't experience this with windows,so is it a driver problem?
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22:02.14lolufailTired: I'm not
22:02.35lolufailweird thing: load average is @ 1, cpu @0.0%, and iowait at 0% as well
22:02.48Tirediotop!
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22:03.26lolufailTired: Total DISK READ: 0.00 B/s | Total DISK WRITE: 0.00 B/s
22:03.28lolufailOo
22:03.38lolufailyet sync speed @8MB/s
22:03.57paxcoderwth is a multiload-apple?
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22:04.24pickcoderlolufail: look at vmstat
22:04.38Tiredpaxcoder, an apple with more than one worm?
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22:05.40paxcoderTired: multiload-appleT perhaps XD
22:05.52XimbinhaThanks for the great valuable help. I appreciate that.
22:06.04lolufailpickcoder: I'm not sure what I'm looking at
22:06.06paxcoderTired: no, it's really an apple
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22:06.20lolufail3-line-paste following, please dont kill me ;)
22:06.26paxcoderwth
22:06.28pickcoderlolufail: look at vmstat -d if you want detailed info
22:06.46lolufailhm
22:06.56lolufailio is @0 for every drive..
22:06.58Tired!kill lolufail
22:06.59dpkgrips lolufail open with a large lead pipe
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22:07.27lolufaillool
22:07.38lolufailhere's the paste inkl vmstat -d ;)
22:07.39lolufailhttp://pastebin.com/m79bfe334
22:08.00Tiredlolufail, that's 3 lines?
22:08.03Tiredhell, learn to count!
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22:08.22lolufailvmstat was 3 lines
22:08.29lolufail-d was more, so I pastebinned it -.-
22:08.50lolufailbut yeah, I cannot count...
22:08.56paxcoderTired: it's a multiload-applet whose process is called multiload-apple just to mess with my head
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22:09.14pickcoderlolufail: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6877
22:09.28Tiredpaxcoder, ps auxwwwww?
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22:09.58paxcoderTired: it's really apple
22:10.07lolufailpickcoder: already did that
22:10.20lolufailpickcoder: that's why it's not @ 1000kbit/s
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22:10.58robokopi have problems with bash and filename tab completion: when there is a space in the name already typed, tab completion doesn't work
22:11.17pickcoderrobokop: put \ before the space
22:11.28Malfrobokop: escape your space with \ so it should be "\ " rather than " "
22:11.28pickcoderfor tab-complete
22:11.39paxcoderTired: actually your thing gives the t, but pstree doesn't
22:11.57paxcoderpgrep only finds the apple
22:12.00Tiredsee :)
22:12.05robokoppickcoder, Malf: i know that, and i do that, but it doesn't work
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22:12.08paxcoder^
22:12.21Tiredpaxcoder, take the apple and ... http://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/193121081927669/Apfel-Streuselkuchen.html
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22:12.31pickcoderrobokop: then maybe it's not a space?
22:12.56paxcoderTired: Multiload Streuselkuchen
22:13.17Tiredpaxcoder, probably file a bug report against pgrep... it whould use the equivalent of ps www or so, really
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22:13.28Tiredpaxcoder, mmmmm :)
22:13.31Tiredwith coffee
22:13.37robokoppickcoder: then sudenly al filenames with a space in them are changed to some different type of spaces
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22:14.05robokopbut it tab completes spaces when there is only one option
22:14.11fas3rhow can i do create my own command.. i mean see it then i press tab .. ? (i have try to copy it in /usr/sbin ... but no change)
22:14.24mr_crowleybetter copy in bin
22:14.33mr_crowleycopy it in /bin
22:14.42Tiredtoday you can pick or pax your coder
22:14.54Tireddis is too confusing for me
22:15.01pickcoderrobokop: if you type "blah\ b<tab>" it won't pull up "blah blah"?
22:15.13robokoppickcoder: true
22:15.22mr_crowleywell does not matter where you put it if you create a link
22:15.31mr_crowleyin /bin
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22:15.57fas3rmr_crowley: i need to do updatdb after copy ?
22:16.05fas3ror something like that ?
22:16.16lolufailare iotop and vmstat not seeing the rebuild?
22:16.18lolufailif so, y?
22:16.22simonrvnfas3r: no. hash -r
22:16.22robokopfas3r: are you using bash as shell?
22:16.34fas3ri think
22:16.38fas3ryes
22:16.41fas3rit is
22:16.45simonrvnprobably, if you don't know.
22:17.07simonrvnerm, yes, not probably
22:17.16Tired"chose yes if you don't know what we're talking about"
22:17.22pickcoderfas3r: "env" will tell you what your SHELL is
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22:17.57fas3ryes it's bash
22:18.01valdynfas3r: put your own commands into ~/bin
22:18.19valdynfas3r: and put your own commands that are supposed to be accessible by all into /usr/local/bin/
22:18.36valdynfas3r: /bin is *wrong*
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22:18.47mr_crowley:o did not know dar
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22:18.59macrobatfas3r: listen to valdyn. and you can put an alias in ~/.bashrc (for bash) to make commands
22:19.05mr_crowleywhy is wrong?
22:19.17robokopvaldyn: my preference is ~/.local/bin/
22:19.34Tiredrobokop, eww
22:19.39macrobatmr_crowley: easy to destroy important stuff
22:19.42XimbinhaMy XVID codecs makes some "stops"
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22:19.47valdynrobokop: well, its your $HOME, you  can do whatever you prefer
22:19.50XimbinhaI get "cuts"
22:19.55valdynrobokop: but ~/bin is already in $PATH by default
22:19.58XimbinhaHow do I solve that?
22:20.17fas3ri have copy it in /usr/local/bin and do hash-r but it's sames
22:21.09valdynfas3r: are you trying to tell us that /usr/local/bin/ is not in $PATH ?
22:21.15robokopfas3r: is the file executabe?
22:21.23fas3ri have verify it's in
22:21.30fas3rrobokop: yes
22:21.31robokopchmod +x /path/to/file
22:21.34valdynfas3r: ls -l /path/to/file
22:21.40fas3rok
22:21.41valdynor that
22:22.20fas3recho $PATH  -->    /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
22:22.47fas3rsorry i have place it in /usr/local/sbin but i'm in root
22:22.49valdynmr_crowley: /bin/ belongs to debian. Though unlikely anything you put there could cause issues. Practically its also hard to maintain
22:22.52fas3rand the ls -l ... :
22:23.19fas3rlrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 16 sep 27 00:19 /usr/local/sbin/wibox-info-modem
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22:24.00valdynfas3r: thats not the whole output
22:24.14valdynfas3r: ls -l shows where its linking to
22:24.48fas3rvaldyn: yes sorry : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 16 sep 27 00:19 /usr/local/sbin/wibox-info-modem -> wibox-info-modem
22:25.07valdynfas3r: so its linking upon itself?
22:25.17valdynfas3r: pulease
22:25.33fas3rhum ...
22:25.52valdynfas3r: a symlink pointing to itself is not good for anything
22:26.03fas3rok
22:26.12valdynfas3r: wheres the real thing?
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22:27.07fas3ri have remove the symbol link
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22:27.19Tiredcrowley... wasn't that the deamon in some book...
22:27.25fas3rand copy it direct in /usr/local/sbin
22:27.31Tiredoh, he's gorn anyway
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22:29.26fas3rvaldyn: i have remove the link and copy it in /usr/local/sbin but by default it's in a folder in my home
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22:31.46fas3rthat's work
22:31.48fas3rthank ;)
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22:43.07chronomexgood afternoon, I'm working on upgrading an old box.  apt has installed the current (Sid) version of `gpsmanshp', whose install and remove scripts both segfault.  Can someone point me to instructions to fix this manually?
22:44.03chronomexgoogle continues to fail me in this regard
22:44.52adbjudd,  versions gpsmanshp
22:44.53juddadb: gpsmanshp -- etch: 1.2-3 lenny: 1.2-3 sid: 1.2-5 squeeze: 1.2-5
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22:45.28adbso , no any sid ..
22:45.51chronomexhmm?
22:45.55adboops, wrong ..
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22:46.30chronomexyeah, the copy I have in my cache is 1.2-5
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22:47.26chronomexthe specific bug is a double-free in the tcl interpreter, so I believe it's not a problem inherent to gpsmanshp
22:47.32chronomexbut that doesn't help me much :)
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22:50.14chronomexI'm going to try patching the install / remove scripts to skip this action
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22:54.27lolufailfor a totally new raid, is using --assume-clean safe?
22:54.45lolufaildoesnt make much sense that he XORs a bunch of 0 into a 0 -.-
22:55.15Wyzardlolufail: Unless you've zeroed the drive yourself, you can't rely on everything being 0
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22:55.37chronomexright, factory drives may be non-completely-zero
22:55.42chronomexespecially if they're reconditioned
22:56.26Wyzardlolufail: --assume-clean is safe if you don't need the array to behave consistently when reading from areas that haven't yet been written, which is probably OK
22:56.32lolufailokay, but wont it matter if I mkfs.ext4 afterwards?
22:56.52lolufail-wont+will
22:57.09Wyzardlolufail: but the array will fail a consistency check (like the one that runs every month via cron) so you'll probably get email sent to root about that
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22:57.42lolufailhmm
22:58.04WyzardIt'd be better to just let it sync
22:58.06lolufailwill the inode creation "write" each block, so the raid will be consistent?
22:58.12Wyzardno
22:58.19lolufailit's 2 more days :(
22:58.32WyzardThe bookkeeping structures written by mkfs.ext4 occupy only a small fraction of the space
22:58.41WyzardCreating a filesystem on a device does not overwrite the entire device
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22:59.25WyzardYou can create your filesystem and start using the array without having to wait for the initial sync to finish
22:59.31lolufailWell I'll have to write almost the entire drive in the next 2 days anyways, when it's almost full I could use a swipe empty space utility for the rest
22:59.34lolufailthat should be safe?
22:59.37chronomexlolufail: but at least software raid is fine with working on the device while it's syncing, so you shouldn't have to worry about anything other than degraded performance
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23:00.17lolufailchronomex: with dm_crypt&lvm ontop, I get kernel panics when dd-ing my old drives
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23:00.30lolufailkinda weird, I wannt have that sync finished before doing anything else
23:00.37Wyzardlolufail: btw, consider using -e 1.2 when creating your array...  I don't know why v0.90 format is still the default
23:00.56lolufailWyzard: ah cool thanks
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23:01.21lolufailany chunk-size recommendation?
23:01.24Wyzardlolufail: Using an array before its initial sync is finished is no less safe than using an array whose initial sync has been completely skipped, as you're talking about doing
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23:01.40WyzardI've always used the default for that
23:01.49lolufaildefault is 64kb
23:02.10Wyzardyeah
23:02.32lolufailI think I benched this years ago for that machine ;) best was 128
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23:02.47Wyzardlolufail: Also take a look at mkfs.ext4's stride= and stripe-width= extended options (see -E)
23:03.21Wyzardlolufail: ext4's block size is 4k, so for a 64k raid chunk size, you'd use stride=16
23:03.53lolufailWyzard: and stripe-width?
23:04.06Wyzardlolufail: depends on how many disks you have; see the manpage
23:04.33lolufailk
23:04.49Tiredlolufail, just ignore the resync...
23:04.57lolufailTired: and keep working?
23:05.04Tiredthat's the idea
23:05.11lolufaildmcrypt kernel oopses :(
23:05.15Tiredmmm
23:05.57lolufailwhat do you think about  -b internal ?
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23:06.22Wyzardlolufail: If you're getting kernel oopses, I doubt that's specific to whether a resync is running or not...  that's supposed to be invisible to things on top of the raid
23:06.35lolufailhere's a kernel oops, in case you wanna look at it: http://pastebin.com/m4a0b6bc1
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23:07.18Pnuxhey, quick question.. whats the command to see how many bytes are used in a partition?
23:07.22lolufailwell, it's a call stack ;) but the machines is unusable afterwards
23:07.28lolufailPnux: df
23:07.34Wyzardlolufail: Have you researched this bug and determined that it only happens while syncing, and that all your data will be safe the rest of the time?
23:07.46Pnuxlolufail: thanks
23:08.02chronomexPnux: df --block-size=1 if you want exact number of bytes
23:08.19lolufailWyzard: no, I haven't. this was my best guess
23:08.49Pnuxchronomex: thanks, but i only need an aproximate number this time.. but ill keep that in mind
23:08.58chronomexheh, okay
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23:09.27XimbinhaWhen I watch videos they got some "stops"
23:09.36Wyzardlolufail: If you're seeing what looks like a kernel bug that has the potential to cause data corruption, crossing your fingers and skipping the sync of your raid array, without actually knowing for sure that it'll avoid the problem, seems like a bad idea
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23:09.48XimbinhaI don't know the right expression.
23:09.56WyzardXimbinha: choppy video?
23:10.04simonrvnskipping, stalling?
23:10.11simonrvnchoppy =)
23:10.14TiredWyzard, not if it's happening in the raid module...
23:10.52XimbinhaEXACTLY.
23:10.58lolufailWyzard: it does have the potential :D but this is a livecd kernel, so I dont care much, I just want to get my system up and running
23:11.05XimbinhaChoppy video.
23:11.09simonrvnTired: indeed
23:11.19XimbinhaXvid.
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23:11.26lolufailTired: can you tell it's happening in the raid module?
23:11.26XimbinhaI think is the codec.
23:11.30simonrvnwould have to do some tracing...
23:11.38WyzardTired: Skipping the initial sync of a raid array doesn't change the fact that the raid module is being used
23:11.45XimbinhaWhat should I try in order to fix it?
23:11.59Wyzardlolufail: Use a different livecd?
23:12.02Tiredlolufail, well... looks like, doesn't it? [<ffffffffa02000fd>] raid5d+0x3f4/0x43c [raid45 .... and handle_stripe+0x1c8a/0x1cce [raid456]
23:12.12Pnuxive got a few other questions.. im going to reinstall Debian and im wondering if i use a separate partition for /home, how would i reinstall it? Will the installer recognize theres already a /home partition in the HD and guide me through it? And also will aptitude clean all the unused ~/.<package's user's config folder> if told to?
23:12.18lolufailthough it only happens when doing high io stuff on the ext4 inside the dmcrypt
23:12.21Tiredand md_thread etc. etc. etc.
23:12.43simonrvnthat looks like a kernel module bug to me...
23:12.44TiredPnux, why do you reinstall in the first place anyway?
23:13.30simonrvnPnux: aptitude/dpkg/et al. don't touch /home
23:13.42TiredPnux, you'll be able to re-use /home.. and /home will not be touched by it for the most part
23:13.46Wyzardlolufail: If you really want to skip the initial sync while setting up your disks from the livecd, you could remove and re-add one of the drives later, when you're running the "real" system, to make it sync at that time
23:13.51PnuxTired: i do that every year, forces me to have a DVD/CD backup of important files and i mess around with configs a lot
23:14.04lolufailWyzard: good point, I was think about that
23:14.35Tiredsimonrvn, the installer-CD might, though - after all it's adding the 1st user if there is no /home yet... but agreed, that's more hypothetical than real if you re-use /home :)
23:14.39lolufailthinking*
23:14.51Wyzardlolufail: but the problem could be something like overheating or bad RAM that'll continue to plague you even then
23:14.54lolufailbut a degraded raid is pretty slow
23:15.12xeon-enoufok, who highlighted me?
23:15.23PnuxTired, simonrvn: i see.. so i would have to manually delete the apps' config, that shouldnt be much of a problem. Thanks for the answers
23:15.25XimbinhaWyzard, yes is that choppy probem.
23:15.26Wyzardlolufail: so sticking your head in the sand now by avoiding the oops without addressing the underlying problem seems like a bad idea
23:15.27TiredPnux, duh... I didn't even "reinstall" for most of the last 10 new machines I installed or so ... they were all clones of a previous one
23:15.31XimbinhaThe choppy thing.
23:15.36simonrvnTired: mm, iirc d-i doesn't either, unless you re-format the partitions
23:15.39xeon-enoufahh M00SHIe did
23:15.45lolufailWyzard: yes, I'm well aware of that ;)
23:15.47TiredPnux, are you running out of disk-space? or what is the deeper reason for that?
23:15.58simonrvnXimbinha: does it do it for other videos?
23:16.04XimbinhaYes.
23:16.22XimbinhaI really only tryied Xvids.
23:16.23PnuxTired: i only got 250 GBs to be used by 2 OSs, so yeah
23:16.41TiredPnux, one of the advantages of GNU/linux systems over Windows I always felt was, that you don't get all kinds of weird clutter in the same way and/or can only solve problems by reinstalling at some point
23:16.42xeon-enoufhark_: aplay -l  <--nice, didn't know, cat /proc/asound/cards is always what i used
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23:17.06simonrvnXimbinha: run top or htop or such, and see if it's a process running in the background sucking up cpu time, or something swapping, or some other issue
23:17.18TiredPnux, there are tools in Debian like debfoster to go through packages and help clean up...
23:17.37TiredPnux, but oh well - everyone needs a hobby, if yours is reinstalling, I won't keep you from it :)
23:17.39xeon-enoufXimbinha: which player?
23:17.54Ximbinhamplayer, or smplayer
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23:18.00xeon-enouftry -vo sdl (or -vo xv) for mplayer
23:18.15WyzardTired: aptitude's "auto" flags are more helpful than debfoster, fwiw
23:18.32Tiredright... i was just mentioning the 1st that came to mind
23:18.36xeon-enouf!deborphan Wyzard
23:18.41lolufaildid you know that if you plug headphones into your nose and yawn, you can hear the musik :D?
23:18.45simonrvndebfoster is deprecated iirc
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23:18.53lolufailI just found out
23:18.53WyzardI know about deborphan; I stopped using it years ago when I switched to aptitude
23:18.56xeon-enouflolufail: sounds like a seashell :-P
23:19.01Tiredhe's not doing any of it, so it doesn't matter
23:19.11PnuxTired: well, i dont really enjoy reinstalling, i enjoy the results.. ill give debfoster a try and see what happens. Which keywords should i use to search for this apps that "clean" packages?
23:19.30simonrvnlolufail: you're opening your eustachian tube further, which are a direct connection to your inner (? could be middle) ear
23:19.34WyzardPnux: Use aptitude, not debfoster
23:19.37Ximbinhaxeon-enouf, for?
23:19.39simonrvntubes*
23:19.52lolufailsimonrvn: thanks, captain obvious :D
23:19.52TiredPnux, what the others said then... seems debfoster is just an old memory of mine :)
23:19.56simonrvnyeh middle
23:20.02Ximbinhasimonrvn, I don't know what I should expect see in that monitor thing.
23:20.18Tiredand aptitude takes care in this modern type o' world
23:20.18XimbinhaWhat is a normal rate of performance usage?
23:20.18Pnuxlol, so aptitude it is.. ill check the man later and see what comes up
23:20.24xeon-enoufXimbinha: what?
23:20.39simonrvnlolufail: oh so you knew? nice
23:20.41chronomexbah, aptitude, real men use dselect
23:20.43Ximbinhaxeon-enouf, you told the parameter to me?
23:20.44Tired!deborphan
23:20.44dpkgdeborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd.  Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>.
23:20.48xeon-enouf!auralsmite simonrvn ;-)
23:21.06xeon-enoufXimbinha: what?
23:21.06WyzardPnux: In particular, read about what the 'm' and 'M' keys do in aptitude
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23:21.14chronomexdoesn't apt-get autoremove do that too, Tired?
23:21.18xeon-enoufmplayer -vo sdl <URI>
23:21.20PnuxWyzard: will do, thanks
23:21.20lolufailsimonrvn: I did have a look at a biology book once ;)
23:21.29xeon-enoufmplayer -vo xv <URI>
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23:21.41Ximbinhatry -vo sdl (or -vo xv) for mplayer
23:21.45simonrvnXimbinha: for one thing, anything that is sucking up cpu time, like i said before...
23:21.45Ximbinhayou told
23:21.48simonrvnlolufail: ;)
23:22.13xeon-enoufXimbinha: your ~/.mplayer/config is where those/your (default) settings go
23:22.22xeon-enoufwhat?
23:22.30Tiredchronomex, only if the autoremove flags are set correctly :)
23:22.43xeon-enouf!cpusmite Ximbinha with taskset/schedutils
23:23.01Tiredas far as I see it the whole autoremove stuff like it is right now leaves lots to wish for
23:23.15xeon-enoufuses autoclean only
23:23.38Tiredwishes his apartment had an autoclean feature
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23:23.49xeon-enouf!roombasmite Tired
23:23.51simonrvnTired: that would rock ;)
23:24.03PnuxTired: we all do
23:24.05Ximbinhaxeon-enouf, !what?
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23:24.13xeon-enouf!google define:roomba
23:24.15xeon-enouf:-)
23:24.29xeon-enoufXimbinha: haha .. what WHAT!?
23:24.41simonrvnchronomex: i used to use dselect. i find it irritating now.
23:24.46Tiredsimonrvn, of course, the classics suggest you temporarily channel a river through it... regretfully my landlord takes a dim view on that approach
23:24.50xeon-enoufXimbinha: stop using 50000 players
23:24.56simonrvnhaha
23:25.09Ximbinhawhy
23:25.09WyzardTired: First thing I do after installing Debian is go into aptitude and mark *everything* as auto-installed, then unmark just the things I want -- that way I get the auto flags set on all the other packages where appropriate
23:25.38xeon-enoufsimonrvn: dselect at this point is useful for /msg dpkg selections ?
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23:26.08PnuxTired: that would imply an autodry feature, not to mention you have to screw (real meaning) every valuable thing
23:26.16xeon-enoufsimonrvn: the dselect-upgrade thing? or does that go awy with Lenny?
23:26.37TiredWyzard, for an existing system, I guess this is something where a graphical representation of all installed packackages with clickable autoremove would be useful
23:27.09xeon-enoufPnux: "autorinse, repeat" might be more helpful (-8
23:27.09TiredPnux, no, the river would have autoclean AND autoremove :)
23:27.13chronomexsimonrvn: ha, I'm lazy and haven't bothered to learn anything else
23:27.28WyzardTired: Even for an existing system, the set of things that shouldn't have auto flags is smaller than the set of things that should, so it's easiest to mark everything auto (press 'M' on the "installed packages" heading) and then go through and unmark the stuff you want
23:27.46Ximbinha<PROTECTED>
23:27.47Ximbinha14123 user      20   0 65060  29m  13m S   29  2.9   0:16.31 gmplayer
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23:27.50xeon-enoufchronomex: install aptitude-doc-en ; dpkg -L <pkgname>
23:27.58xeon-enoufwhundafull
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23:28.03chronomexbut that requires reading :(
23:28.05Ximbinhaooops
23:28.15xeon-enoufXimbinha: nicw work bozo
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23:28.33xeon-enoufchronomex: buy a mac -support jobs!
23:28.49chronomexman I probably don't have enough cash for rent this month
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23:28.52chronomexcan't afford a mac
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23:28.55xeon-enoufXimbinha: gmplayer is buggy and non-maintained, AFAIK
23:29.04chronomexonly reason my computer's up is someone else had a psu they didn't need any more
23:29.05xeon-enoufso KI:LL iut
23:29.11Ximbinhagmplayer isn't mplayer?
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23:29.15xeon-enoufuse the friggin SHELL!
23:29.20Ximbinhaxeon-enouf, what should I user?
23:29.24chronomexuse mplayer!
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23:29.27xeon-enoufask #mplayer
23:29.28CodeNinja:S  I kinda screwed my server up
23:29.33XimbinhaBecause I am using mplayer
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23:29.43xeon-enoufXimbinha: bash and mplayer
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23:29.49chronomexit's all you need
23:29.49XimbinhaIsn't gmplayer mplayer process name
23:29.52xeon-enoufi gave you EXACT commands
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23:30.02xeon-enoufwhocares!
23:30.05xeon-enoufit's buggy
23:30.07Ramendikhello
23:30.23Tiredeww... did I just compare myself to 3000 oxen?
23:30.31xeon-enoufif you want to help gnome - see /msg dpkg gnome
23:30.34lolufailwith chunk-size 128, should I tune the dmcrypt as well?
23:30.43xeon-enoufotherwise, do what i say ;-)
23:30.46Ramendikcould anyone tell me how to install a package from etch into lenny? I want my icewm and I don't want the bug :)
23:30.51Ramendikthe tray bug
23:31.05xeon-enoufRamendik: look in the other direction
23:31.17xeon-enouf!tell Ramendik -about bpo
23:31.26Ramendikas in which? bug 539490 is open
23:31.34RamendikI know all about bpo
23:31.45xeon-enoufoh well, use a diff WM, like OB ;-)
23:31.45Ximbinhaxeon-enouf, it's choppy too. even with your command call
23:31.48RamendikI have bpo kernel and am loading bpo oo.org
23:31.54Ramendikbut the bug is even present in unstable
23:31.54xeon-enoufXimbinha: which?
23:32.01Ximbinhamplayer -vo xv <URI>
23:32.04xeon-enoufRamendik: oh well - fix it
23:32.13xeon-enoufXimbinha: now try the other one
23:32.25RamendikProblem is, I knwo how to set up icewm nd it does all I want and I don't want to sit around for a day figuring out ob or xfce :)
23:32.27xeon-enoufXimbinha: cat /proc/version
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23:32.38Ramendikif I were cool enough to fix it...
23:32.39RamendikI'd write my own darn WM :)
23:33.11Ramendikwhich would not produce such hard-to-trace bugs
23:34.07Ramendikseriously - is there a way to stick in an etch package?
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23:36.05squisherdoes someone know about issues with nfs4 & krb5 on sid? Upgrade today or yesterday broke mine with "unknown error" in the logs...
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23:39.25lolufailI might add new drives onto the raid in a few months, to what should I configure stripe-width for ext4?
23:39.37lolufailthe current amount of discs, or the maximum?
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23:44.08humbolthow can I fix the locales warning
23:45.02karmehumbolt: dpkg-reconfigure locales
23:45.24humboltkarme: I did that. Seems like a reboot is required?!
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23:45.49karmehumbolt: no reboot required
23:45.58karmehumbolt: relogin at most
23:46.29karmehumbolt: see also /msg dpkg locales
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23:48.58Gratz474_how can i install headers for the current linux?
23:49.40simonrvnGratz474_: try aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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23:50.03Ramendiksecond try :) is there a way to install a package from etch?
23:50.18RamendikI'm already busy "forwardporting" from the src package but anyway...
23:50.49castis ther a reason it's not in lenny?
23:50.56simonrvnyes, but don't expect it to work with the current pkg mgt system. forward porting it would work better.
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23:51.19Ramendikthe package is in lenny but buggy (icewm - the bug is not closed in sid so backport would be useless)
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23:51.35simonrvni second cast there... must be a reason it was removed from being released with lenny...
23:51.42Ramendikall right, running debuild already with al build deps installed
23:51.47Ramendikitw as not removed
23:51.51simonrvnah, probably lax maintainer, or QA
23:51.59Ramendikit's right there but I want the old version not the new bug :)
23:52.05simonrvnmight want to look at aq.debian.org for it
23:52.12simonrvnqa.d.o even
23:52.16Ramendikicewm is the package, bug 539490 the issue
23:52.33Ramendikok, I'm forwardporting
23:52.43Ramendikseems to be straightforward enough
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23:53.00Ramendiko then I dpkg -i the resulting packages, and then aptitude hold them?
23:53.21simonrvnyes
23:53.21Ramendikneed to prevent updates from lenny
23:53.22jmit appears that the preinstall scripts in various packages "fight" for /etc/mailcap entries... is there any way to sanely manage them in debian, the way the alternatives system works?
23:54.00Ramendikanother question...
23:54.07Ramendikhow di I see which river xorg has loaded?
23:54.20Ramendikthe driver is not named in xord.conf. The screen works ;)
23:54.26RamendikI want to know if I now have vesa or nv
23:54.34Ramendikor is it safer just to name nv there?
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23:55.08Ramendikboo hoo. forwardport failed for not finding gpg!
23:55.45valdynRamendik: that does not make it fail
23:55.53Ramendikfor whatever reason it did
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23:56.12RamendikFinished running lintian.
23:56.12RamendikNow signing changes and any dsc files...
23:56.12RamendikCould not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!
23:56.12Ramendikdebuild: fatal error at line 1240:
23:56.12Ramendikrunning debsign failed
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23:56.23valdynrobokop: dont trust yourself?
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23:56.29valdynops
23:56.30Ramendikoops - kicked
23:56.38valdynRamendik: you dont trust yourself?
23:56.38Ramendik#flood
23:56.47valdynRamendik: i dont wnat to read the debsign stuff
23:56.50RamendikI tried pasting the fail message
23:56.52Ramendikgot kicked
23:56.55streuner!tell Ramendik about enter
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23:57.01valdynRamendik: we noticed
23:57.14Ramendikit was not for enter, it was for paste :)
23:57.37valdynRamendik: now why dont you install the debs?
23:57.42Ramendikthere are noone
23:57.51Ramendikah... wait
23:57.57valdynRamendik: duh!
23:58.00Ramendikthey are there, just in the parent directory :)
23:58.24Ramendiksorry. The "fatal" message in debuild got me off course ;)
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23:59.15RamendikThanks very much for the help
23:59.32Ramendiklogging off now to relogon into my, hopefully, cozy icewm
23:59.40Ramendikthanks!!!

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