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| 00:00.35 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:08.52 | dbbolton | how can i remove swfdev-gnome but keep gnome installed? |
| 00:08.59 | dbbolton | swfdec* |
| 00:09.21 | mesa_booger | dbatbold: debian ? |
| 00:09.30 | mesa_booger | oops dbbolton ^^ |
| 00:10.06 | dbbolton | mesa_booger yes |
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| 00:10.57 | mesa_booger | dbbolton: it gets installed as a recommended, but not obligatory package. dpkg -P swfdec-gnome will ditch it |
| 00:11.26 | valdyn | umm |
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| 00:11.57 | valdyn | gnome-desktop-environent depends on it |
| 00:12.06 | dbbolton | http://pastebin.com/d5635d812 |
| 00:12.24 | valdyn | dbbolton: you can use flash instead without removing it |
| 00:12.51 | dbbolton | will libflashplayer.so take precedence over flash-mozilla.so ? |
| 00:13.07 | valdyn | dbbolton: its configured with update-alternatives |
| 00:13.25 | mesa_booger | dbbolton: i see. well you can ditch gnome-desktop-environment too. it is only a holder package |
| 00:13.27 | valdyn | dbbolton: I dont know if installing the flash debian package will change that setting |
| 00:13.34 | valdyn | yea, theres those 2 options |
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| 00:14.49 | gregglind | hello, I'm having problems getting libapache-mod-php5. |
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| 00:15.10 | valdyn | dbbolton: just install the flash debian package and use update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so if the package doesnt fix things |
| 00:15.36 | mesa_booger | gregglind: try libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 00:16.09 | gregglind | mesa, I have apache-ssl (based on 1.3) is that no longer supported? if not, what does http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libapache-mod-php5 mean? |
| 00:16.44 | valdyn | judd: versions apache |
| 00:16.44 | judd | valdyn: apache -- etch: 1.3.34-4.1+etch1 |
| 00:17.29 | valdyn | judd: versions libapache-mod-php5 |
| 00:17.29 | judd | valdyn: libapache-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny-security: 5.2.0-10+lenny1 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 |
| 00:17.40 | valdyn | thats fucked up |
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| 00:18.23 | gregglind | is there a simple way to get it working? I don't really want to upgrade to apache2 at the moment. |
| 00:18.37 | gregglind | some special apt.sources I'm missing? |
| 00:18.46 | valdyn | gregglind: apache 1 is not supported by debian anymore |
| 00:19.08 | valdyn | gregglind: youre probably running etch? |
| 00:19.17 | gregglind | could be, it's been a while. |
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| 00:19.29 | gregglind | what's the most obvious way to check? |
| 00:20.20 | valdyn | gregglind: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:20.24 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 00:20.25 | judd | valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-26 |
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| 00:20.53 | gregglind | libc6 2.9-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:21.07 | gregglind | that suggests lenny |
| 00:21.14 | valdyn | gregglind: no it doesnt |
| 00:21.25 | gregglind | oh, sorry, misread. |
| 00:21.29 | valdyn | gregglind: that suggests an older sid or squeeze |
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| 00:21.45 | valdyn | gregglind: and apache 1 does not exist in those 2 |
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| 00:22.04 | valdyn | gregglind: you have a broken system |
| 00:22.32 | gregglind | could very well be. I doesn't get much love, just an old dev server lying around. Ideas about fixing. |
| 00:22.51 | Tired | not much love :((( |
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| 00:22.55 | valdyn | gregglind: reinstall |
| 00:23.16 | gregglind | ok, any other ideas? |
| 00:23.41 | gregglind | given cost / benefit, I don't see what reinstall buys me, honestly |
| 00:23.42 | Tired | migrating to apache2 aint very hard |
| 00:23.55 | valdyn | gregglind: reinstalling is quick and easy |
| 00:24.00 | gregglind | tired, even with ssl? That's rational these days |
| 00:24.08 | valdyn | gregglind: getting your system into a proper state is alot of work |
| 00:24.18 | gregglind | at valdyn, maybe i'm misinformed about reinstall then. |
| 00:24.33 | valdyn | gregglind: you underestimate how broken your system is |
| 00:24.43 | gregglind | reference or high-level overview somewhere |
| 00:24.47 | valdyn | gregglind: webserver from etch, packags newer than lenny, thats sick |
| 00:24.53 | valdyn | !etch |
| 00:24.53 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 00:25.04 | gregglind | well, valdyn, I was going to just going to leave it at is, which is *no work* |
| 00:25.09 | Tired | gregglind, the main difference being that apache1 in debian had apache and apache-ssl packages, while for apache2 there is only one package and you enable config |
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| 00:25.13 | valdyn | gregglind: then do that |
| 00:25.27 | valdyn | gregglind: but its not supportable |
| 00:25.28 | gregglind | unless there is some simple reinstall path. |
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| 00:25.41 | valdyn | gregglind: insert disk, click enter a few times |
| 00:25.44 | mesa_booger | gregglind: yeah valdyn is right. you should certainly reinstall lenny. cos your consistency index is too low :) |
| 00:25.59 | valdyn | he needs to reinstall etch or migrate his webserver |
| 00:26.14 | Tired | gregglind, heh... doing nothing, that works - but you want to change something ... and that's more and more difficult if you stick to packages that don't exist anymore |
| 00:26.29 | mesa_booger | valdyn: yeah i meant install not reinstall |
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| 00:26.42 | gregglind | so, nuke and go. after backing up all of etc. Then reinstall, get exim, apache, samba, etc, all working again? That doesn't sound trivial to me. |
| 00:27.06 | mesa_booger | piece of cake |
| 00:27.23 | Tired | mmm, cake |
| 00:27.23 | gregglind | i'm not arguing, and don't mean to sound snarky, but that sounds like a non-tasty bit of cake |
| 00:27.37 | gregglind | like it's got glass in it an what not :) |
| 00:27.43 | valdyn | gregglind: thats how things are, indeed |
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| 00:27.47 | mesa_booger | i even put extra raisins in there. oh well ... :) |
| 00:27.50 | gregglind | apt-get dist-upgrade or something won'thelp? |
| 00:27.56 | Tired | glas-raisins |
| 00:28.12 | valdyn | gregglind: a dist-upgrade would require the *same* changes to current config as a reinstall |
| 00:28.20 | valdyn | gregglind: likely *more* changes |
| 00:28.28 | valdyn | gregglind: in that aspect installing lenny is *easier* |
| 00:28.36 | Tired | gregglind, if you have packages that are newer than lenny, not much will help... |
| 00:28.40 | Tired | !downgrade |
| 00:28.40 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing> |
| 00:28.43 | mesa_booger | you sound like the kinda guy who puts sugar on his barbed wire for breakfast |
| 00:28.52 | gregglind | okay, so what's the approach path here? What partitions do I need to wipe? |
| 00:28.59 | Tired | gregglind, except if you want to upgrade to testing... which sounds like more trouble/work in the future to me |
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| 00:29.15 | valdyn | gregglind: all |
| 00:29.22 | valdyn | gregglind: or all that debian puts files on |
| 00:29.38 | Tired | upgrading to lenny might work... |
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| 00:29.56 | valdyn | gregglind: backup your data and config, install debian , reconfigure each service that you need |
| 00:29.58 | Tired | retaining some uglyness with the packages newer than lenny |
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| 00:30.25 | mesa_booger | Tired: i did that and had all sorts of leftover non-accounted-for bs. i had to go fresh install in the end |
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| 00:31.05 | valdyn | uh, its not very hard to upgrade / downgrade the current system, but its *harder* than a reinstall |
| 00:31.28 | gregglind | valdyn, my complaints about reinstall are mostly about the hassle of the partitioning and the like, and in general making me remember how the machine was set up 5 years ago :) |
| 00:31.52 | gregglind | it's an old rustbucket |
| 00:31.55 | valdyn | gregglind: i cant help you with your documentation |
| 00:31.57 | Tired | keep the current partitioning scheme? |
| 00:32.15 | valdyn | gregglind: debians config is limited to /etc, your own stuff can naturally be anywhere |
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| 00:33.27 | gregglind | thanks Tired, valdyn, mesa_booger, much to contemplate here |
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| 00:33.41 | kosmic | which development version has stability similar to fedora |
| 00:33.48 | kosmic | is it sid or is it that other |
| 00:33.56 | Tired | that's what I also wanted to mention... if you cp -r /etc before and copy central files back, setting up exim etc. again exactly like before shouldn't be hard |
| 00:33.57 | kosmic | etch |
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| 00:34.13 | Tired | lenny is the current stable |
| 00:34.16 | mesa_booger | Tired: cp -a is better as it preserves symlinks |
| 00:34.20 | kosmic | what is the unstable? |
| 00:34.41 | Tired | sid is always unstable |
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| 00:34.48 | Tired | etch is oldstable |
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| 00:34.57 | mesa_booger | Tired: i generally do tar czf etc.tgx /etc |
| 00:35.05 | mesa_booger | er .tgz |
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| 00:35.33 | kosmic | so which might fail first, sid or fedora ? |
| 00:35.41 | Tired | easier though if he just cp -r /etc/ /usbstick/ then copies single files back |
| 00:35.50 | Tired | dunno about fedora |
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| 00:35.56 | karme | kosmic: hmm you ask that on #debian? |
| 00:36.02 | Tired | but sid is supposed to to break |
| 00:36.10 | kosmic | karme, where should i ask, fedora? |
| 00:36.44 | Tired | kosmic, new packages go into sid, where they stay for a few weeks - if during that time no bugs over a certain severity are reported for that package, it migrates into testing |
| 00:37.23 | karme | kosmic: hmm ... i don't know fedora either |
| 00:37.36 | kosmic | well, i have been running fedora for a few months |
| 00:37.47 | Tired | kosmic, every few years, testing is frozen, i.e. no new versions of software goes into testing anymore, only bugs are fixed until no release critical bugs are left... at that time testing becomes the next stable version of Debian |
| 00:38.00 | kosmic | okahy |
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| 00:39.01 | Tired | so as sid has virtually no testing (except what the package maintainer does on when he builds the package) I would think it should have more problems than anything that's released as a distribution |
| 00:39.24 | kosmic | mm |
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| 00:39.47 | kosmic | I think I'll stick to fedora |
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| 00:40.01 | Tired | ubuntu is based on sid (but has a lot of own packages) ... I guess they do some additional testing somewhere, but you'd have have to ask #ubuntu for that... same applies for sidux //#sidux |
| 00:40.01 | kosmic | It's definitely the saner choice |
| 00:40.12 | Tired | kosmic, obviously, I disagree |
| 00:40.24 | kosmic | tired, you disagree? |
| 00:40.29 | Tired | but feel free to use what you feel most comfortable with |
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| 00:40.53 | kosmic | Well you made sid sound like russian roulette to me |
| 00:40.54 | Tired | kosmic, obviously... I used Redhat about 10 years ago... changed to Debian and never went back |
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| 00:41.30 | Tired | kosmic, it is! but there is also testing (currently called squeeze) and stable (currently called lenny) |
| 00:41.47 | Tired | kosmic, if you want bleeding edge, you have to bleed... ain't that obvious? |
| 00:41.58 | mesa_booger | kosmic: sid is russian roulette. but it's fun tho. if you want stable and new, then you are out of luck. all distros fall somewhere in the spectrum between the 2 extremes |
| 00:42.40 | Tired | kosmic, you can't have the newest version of a software days after the developers released it and expect no bugs whatsoever within a body of some 20000ish packages |
| 00:42.41 | mesa_booger | "a trade off between stability and new functionality" |
| 00:43.06 | Tired | well, you could, but I'd call that naive |
| 00:43.24 | Tired | if you want stable, install stable |
| 00:43.50 | Tired | duh, sounds obvious, the way I say it, doesn't it? |
| 00:44.41 | kosmic | oy |
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| 00:47.32 | Tired | when I say "obviously I disagree" - if I would think Fedora is the saner choice, I probably would run fedora and hence not hang out here but in #fedora or whatnot :) |
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| 00:49.02 | kosmic | Yes but you use lenny, right? |
| 00:49.27 | cast | fedora's main advantage imho is their selinux work seems much more mature |
| 00:49.36 | karme | uses most of the time lenny but also keeps some vm's with testing and unstable around |
| 00:50.00 | karme | ah and there is backpors |
| 00:50.12 | karme | ~s/backpors/backports |
| 00:50.22 | gregglind | re: reinstalling, is there a simple way to dump all packages I had, so that I can reinstall them all? |
| 00:50.41 | Tired | kosmic, at the moment, yes... maybe I'll have to go to testing, though... there's so much interesting new chemistry/molecular biology software rushing into Debian right now... it's tempting :) |
| 00:50.53 | Tired | !debian clone |
| 00:50.53 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 00:50.54 | AimHere | If you're brave, you can try compiling a list and then apt-get removing them all |
| 00:51.00 | kosmic | heh |
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| 00:51.29 | mesa_booger | gregglind: yes - dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}'. provided you purged things and didn't just remove them |
| 00:51.46 | gregglind | mesa, I can be sure to purge |
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| 00:52.18 | mesa_booger | another method is to list all the *.list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 00:54.20 | Tired | kosmic, I don't see why you think fedora would in any way be comparable to sid/unstable... it would be more comparable to lenny |
| 00:54.24 | mesa_booger | something like - ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -f6 -d/ | sed -e "s/\.list//" |
| 00:54.33 | kosmic | tired, that is a good thing! |
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| 00:54.48 | gregglind | not to start a flame war, but are there current accepted ideas on good partitining scheme / swap, etc/ It's been a lot of years since I've done this |
| 00:54.52 | Tired | although they do have a lot shorter life cycle :) |
| 00:55.01 | Tired | gregglind, no |
| 00:55.08 | mesa_booger | yes |
| 00:55.10 | mesa_booger | :) |
| 00:55.17 | Tired | mesa_booger, you bloody retard! |
| 00:55.19 | Tired | :-P |
| 00:55.23 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 00:55.25 | gregglind | exactly what I though. It's a small old machine < 1 gb ram |
| 00:55.26 | Tired | !start a partitioning flamewar |
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| 00:55.47 | Tired | gregglind, separate /home, else if you don't want to really put thought in it, keep everything else on the same partition |
| 00:56.00 | gregglind | that's the kind of advice I like to hear. |
| 00:56.16 | gregglind | it runs small, headless |
| 00:56.21 | mesa_booger | seperate /usr/local can be good too, if you have a lot of devel/whatever stuff on there |
| 00:56.25 | Tired | sometimes /boot is (was?) needed for booting |
| 00:56.29 | karme | lvm is quite nice but takes some time to get used to |
| 00:56.30 | Tired | well... |
| 00:56.56 | gregglind | I want a zero-effort, non-coddling machine. |
| 00:56.58 | Tired | everytime I had lots of different partitions, I would run out of space on one of them and have to start shuffling things in weird ways |
| 00:57.08 | gregglind | Tired, that was my problem, too. |
| 00:57.10 | Tired | then keep it simple |
| 00:57.11 | sciendan | is there a performance penalty associated with using lvm? |
| 00:57.39 | Tired | some people want a smallish separate /tmp, though, so that temporary files can't fill up your / |
| 00:57.42 | gregglind | Tired, on this one I made / too small, which was a hassle for kernal stuff |
| 00:57.54 | Tired | yeah |
| 00:57.56 | gregglind | all good ideas |
| 00:58.20 | Tired | so when you just stick with one partition, when it becomes full you need a new disk :) |
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| 00:59.11 | Tired | /tmp and /var/ tend to have more traffic leading to more fragmentation, so some people do that separately... but I decided privately I don't care |
| 00:59.53 | gregglind | I sure don't care. If get enough traffic that I need to care, step 1 will be upgrading from this AMD k7 with 1 gb |
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| 01:00.11 | cast | /var serperate is more often so log files can't fill / |
| 01:00.19 | Tired | heh |
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| 01:01.04 | Tired | according to wikipedia/distrowatch Debians relative popularity seems to have been in a constant recline since 2002 (which is where the table starts) |
| 01:01.33 | karme | Tired: link? |
| 01:01.35 | Guerin | Tired: decline. It's not on a chaise-longue. |
| 01:01.41 | Tired | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrowatch |
| 01:01.56 | Tired | Guerin, typo! I don't even know what a recline is |
| 01:02.06 | liable | he is a debian hater though |
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| 01:02.59 | Tired | although it's hard to tell after 2005, because it doesn't make it into the top-5 anymore |
| 01:03.16 | peppe | who cares? does distrowatch mean reliable statistical data about usage? |
| 01:03.21 | Tired | what do I know |
| 01:03.37 | liable | peppe: no idea |
| 01:03.38 | cast | Tired: that page shows increase. |
| 01:03.38 | Tired | but another amazing things |
| 01:03.52 | Tired | there are distros based on ubuntu in the top-5 now |
| 01:04.20 | Tired | so you base ubuntu on debian and linux mint on ubuntu and MyNewWhatever distro on Linux mint |
| 01:04.22 | peppe | I think not, personally speaking I never downloaded debian nor ubuntu nor centos nor fedora through distrowatch |
| 01:04.25 | cast | 2002 311, 2003 428, 2004 832 |
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| 01:04.55 | Tired | seems kinda incestuous |
| 01:05.04 | jj3666 | agree w/ peppe, never d/l'd through distrowatch |
| 01:05.21 | kripz | dd: writing to `/dev/sdb': Input/output error |
| 01:05.22 | kripz | . Can i see what happen? |
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| 01:05.43 | Tired | peppe, well, the question is if a representative percentage of people d/l stuff through it, of if the percentage varies widely from distro to distro |
| 01:06.04 | Tired | which is probably pretty much unanswerable |
| 01:06.56 | diegoviola | can i build a install cd from an existent debian install? |
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| 01:08.05 | peppe | the percentage varies widely from distro to distro, since the percentage of people that download distros through it is not representative at all |
| 01:08.28 | peppe | I downloaded distros *lots* of times and never went on distrowatch |
| 01:08.40 | Tired | perhaps you're not representative |
| 01:08.44 | Tired | he he |
| 01:08.44 | peppe | the 95% of people that go there are 12-yo linux fanatics + linux newbies who just dig around, and the other 5% is those dumb people that want to try every linux distro ever created |
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| 01:09.39 | mesa_booger | peppe: i must be an anomaly then. i look at distrowatch to see what versions of things are in all the main distros |
| 01:09.55 | diegoviola | i have a debian install where i have compiled things from source etc, and i would like to make a install cd from this system to install it across different computers |
| 01:10.02 | cast | i pretty much ignore all other distros :\ |
| 01:10.08 | peppe | mesa_booger: do you download distros *through* distrowatch? |
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| 01:10.50 | AimHere | Debian is almost a strict superset of the free software in all other distros anyway ;) |
| 01:11.35 | cast | well, kind of |
| 01:11.51 | peppe | I mean, I don't see absolutely why in the world one would download a distro through distrowatch and not by that distros' own download pages (i.e. google â "distro download" â done) |
| 01:11.54 | cast | do we still have non-free binary blobs? |
| 01:11.59 | cast | there's also non-free :< |
| 01:12.24 | mesa_booger | peppe: no i don't. i just look at stuff |
| 01:12.37 | peppe | mesa_booger: yep, that's my point |
| 01:12.39 | AimHere | That doesn't disqualify it from being a strict superset of some free software |
| 01:13.17 | cast | ahh |
| 01:13.23 | cast | what the hell is a strict superset |
| 01:13.43 | cast | superset, i get, strict superset i do not |
| 01:13.44 | AimHere | A set that contains all the stuff in some other set plus some more stuff. |
| 01:14.05 | cast | so what does the strict mean? |
| 01:14.06 | karme | "I'd like to believe that there is some truth in the figures, but in all honesty, they really don't mean all that much and should not be taken very seriously" |
| 01:14.25 | peppe | cast: that it is not equal |
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| 01:14.49 | liable | you guys still rambling on about this? :P |
| 01:14.52 | cast | so you're saying debia must ontain non-free software? |
| 01:14.55 | Wyzard | cast: Any set is a superset of itself, but not a strict superset |
| 01:14.55 | cast | debian* |
| 01:15.19 | mesa_booger | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:15.43 | mesa_booger | a strict superset also has more elements than the comparison set |
| 01:15.43 | cast | ah. |
| 01:16.58 | mesa_booger | does that mean ubuntu is a strict subset of the set of all noobtastic distros ? |
| 01:17.25 | AimHere | Is there any noobtastic distro that has all of Ubuntu+more, debian excluded? |
| 01:17.36 | mesa_booger | mint |
| 01:17.51 | AimHere | Aha. |
| 01:17.55 | mesa_booger | ubuntustudio |
| 01:18.03 | peppe | kubuntu! |
| 01:18.05 | peppe | >:-P |
| 01:18.33 | comradekingu | Hannah Montana Linux |
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| 01:18.48 | peppe | btw, the only important thing is the real world usage, measured in terms of machines / cpus / whatever. which unfortunately is impossible to know :) |
| 01:19.10 | AimHere | Why's it important? |
| 01:19.13 | Tired | wobuntu |
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| 01:19.33 | cast | the only important thing is *my* needs, as measured by me |
| 01:19.43 | peppe | AimHere: I mean, to do proper usage statistics (and don't say "hey, debian sucks, it's #51 on distrowatch) |
| 01:19.44 | kripz | dd_rescue is constantly giving me input/output error on /dev/sdb, is this normal? |
| 01:19.51 | kripz | xfer and succxfer is equal |
| 01:20.00 | cast | kripz: what errors? |
| 01:20.07 | kripz | dd_rescue: (warning): /dev/sdb (29655040.0k): Input/output error! |
| 01:20.09 | peppe | kripz: broken disk? |
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| 01:20.25 | kripz | wow, its brand new that i bought to do my data recovery lol |
| 01:20.26 | cast | had a look at dmesg? |
| 01:20.32 | vivid | debian is #51 on distrowatch? |
| 01:20.48 | kripz | cast, ah yep. littered with errors |
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| 01:21.14 | AimHere | Hah, yeah, but Canonical are kindof about the most important Linux user out there, and they use Debian to make Ubuntu with |
| 01:21.39 | kripz | does this look like a faulty disk: http://pastebin.com/m28d22301 |
| 01:22.11 | Tired | kripz, the pure fact that you ask this suggests it does :) |
| 01:22.16 | cast | AimHere: RH seems pretty important. |
| 01:22.23 | Tired | kripz, check the disks SMART record |
| 01:22.30 | kripz | ffs, had a faulty disk, went out and got a new one and its DOA |
| 01:22.42 | kripz | maybe its the cable |
| 01:22.44 | kripz | hmm |
| 01:22.49 | mesa_booger | could be cabling or controller problems |
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| 01:23.30 | mesa_booger | i had a bad maxtor sata/via controller mismatch once. it would occasionally fry the drives at random intervals |
| 01:23.32 | AimHere | RH are an important Linux distro. I don't think they're an important Linux distro user though |
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| 01:28.04 | mesa_booger | AimHere: what about fedora ? are they an important user or even distro ? that's what most people would like to know :) |
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| 01:30.18 | Tired | a distro is a distro user? |
| 01:30.28 | Tired | warbl warbl blubb? |
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| 01:30.54 | mesa_booger | fedora "uses" red hat |
| 01:31.10 | Tired | you dirty old man! |
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| 01:34.12 | diegoviola | is there something like remastersys for debian 5? |
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| 01:35.24 | diegoviola | how do i make a bootable cd from my system? |
| 01:35.57 | Tired | for your previous... partimage? |
| 01:38.09 | Tired | there's also... |
| 01:38.12 | Tired | !debian clone |
| 01:38.13 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 01:39.00 | diegoviola | this debian install has stuff compiled from source, so it's not only debian packages that i want to clone |
| 01:39.04 | diegoviola | i want to clone the entire thing |
| 01:39.19 | diegoviola | make a bootable cd of it |
| 01:40.13 | Tired | more like partimage, then |
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| 01:43.50 | Tired | I think cloning is just not very hard, also, rather specific to the situation, so there are no pre-made packages? |
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| 01:45.16 | karme | maybe bootcd? |
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| 01:46.05 | Tired | bootcd-backup sounds like what he looks for |
| 01:46.32 | Tired | karme, very good, I looked through the apt-cache, didn't find that one |
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| 01:50.29 | mesa_booger | an issue with the get-selections/set-selections method is that it doesn't ditch unwanted packages |
| 01:50.41 | mesa_booger | it only installs missing packages |
| 01:51.41 | Tired | I don't think so |
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| 01:52.08 | Tired | when I saved one like that, it had a lot of "uninstall" lines, too, iirc |
| 01:52.35 | mesa_booger | well i hate to disagree, but i just did it |
| 01:52.40 | Tired | me, too :) |
| 01:52.45 | Tired | zsh-beta deinstall |
| 01:52.47 | Tired | is the last line |
| 01:53.17 | kosmic | so lenny ships with transmission 1.22, which according to sources, is a year old |
| 01:53.25 | kosmic | the latest is 1.77, i think. |
| 01:53.29 | kosmic | Pretty old! |
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| 01:54.10 | Tired | not really |
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| 01:55.20 | mesa_booger | i've used this script to clone for some time now. it's not perfect, but close. use at your peril - http://nopaste.com/p/auJ9i3dtt |
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| 01:58.39 | diegoviola | Tired: will partimage clone the system and then allow me to install it on other pcs? |
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| 02:02.00 | Tired | diegoviola, look at apt-cache show partimage - I've never used it - for all the systems I've cloned, I just used tar over the network after partitioning |
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| 02:03.40 | Tired | it should... what point would a backup of the system have when you can't put it on a new disk after your disk went over the Jordan |
| 02:04.02 | diegoviola | yep |
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| 02:08.49 | fogus | hello. what are some good repos to install for a little sftp server? doing the install with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 02:11.32 | xeon-enouf | !vsftpd |
| 02:11.32 | dpkg | it has been said that vsftpd is the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
| 02:11.44 | mesa_booger | clone script in action - http://pastebin.ca/1580886 |
| 02:11.55 | fogus | xeon-enouf: I'm planning on just using ssh |
| 02:12.26 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: \o/ |
| 02:12.46 | xeon-enouf | !mesa_booger++ |
| 02:12.52 | fogus | xeon-enouf: are the basic net tools included to set networking on that ISO? I'm having someone with little linux experience set this up for me remotely |
| 02:12.58 | markybob | that factoid should be altered. vsftpd is the only ftp server that should ever be considered. period |
| 02:13.23 | LobbyZ | Is it possible to link 2 servers so they share a WWW folder which is not accessable to anyone else? |
| 02:13.30 | xeon-enouf | fogus: tell them to use ##windows |
| 02:13.58 | insaneinside | Anyone have any favorite filesystems? I'm looking for something that will hold replaceable data (non-customized package-installed files) only; performance is a slightly higher priority than data safety. |
| 02:14.07 | xeon-enouf | fogus: debian isn't ubuntu; debian runs on real servers |
| 02:14.11 | fogus | xeon-enouf: I'm going to be using it though. all I need is ssh access and presto, I'm in. |
| 02:14.30 | xeon-enouf | so install it and use it |
| 02:14.33 | fogus | xeon-enouf: I know. I had it running previously on this machine |
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| 02:14.36 | xeon-enouf | period |
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| 02:15.23 | mesa_booger | insaneinside: if you have mighty reliable UPS xfs is nice and fast. but for reliable, i'd say ext3 is the best choice. with full journalling |
| 02:15.48 | xeon-enouf | LobbyZ: see openvpn |
| 02:16.04 | xeon-enouf | and some other things possibly |
| 02:16.25 | LobbyZ | xeon-enouf, alright thanks |
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| 02:17.50 | LobbyZ | xeon-enouf, i don't see Debian as a option |
| 02:17.54 | LobbyZ | on the openvpn site |
| 02:18.48 | markybob | LobbyZ, you're obviously not a detective |
| 02:18.56 | LobbyZ | true |
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| 02:19.06 | markybob | or very bright |
| 02:19.10 | LobbyZ | that too |
| 02:19.17 | LobbyZ | Mind insulting me more or help me? |
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| 02:19.33 | markybob | i could go all night. i have three older brothers and learned well |
| 02:19.45 | LobbyZ | Alright, go. |
| 02:19.46 | cast | have you tried reading |
| 02:19.51 | mesa_booger | LobbyZ: nvm him. he lost a fortune at the racetrack :) |
| 02:20.05 | LobbyZ | mesa_booger, ouch |
| 02:20.07 | markybob | mesa_booger, so true :( |
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| 02:20.20 | LobbyZ | cast, yes i've tried reading but i still cannot find debian in the download options |
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| 02:20.37 | Tired | reading? wads dis? |
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| 02:22.14 | xeon-enouf | ... |
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| 02:23.48 | xeon-enouf | LobbyZ: supposedly the keyword of 'openvpn' would've helped,but oh well |
| 02:24.06 | Tired | LobbyZ, "share a WWW folder"? |
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| 02:24.24 | LobbyZ | yeah basically i got ZNC running on 2 servers |
| 02:24.36 | LobbyZ | and i want them to share a /data folder in the WWW folder |
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| 02:24.41 | LobbyZ | i.e |
| 02:24.52 | LobbyZ | one server accesses the main server which has the data files |
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| 02:25.04 | CodeNinja | what are the default permissions for /home? |
| 02:25.15 | CodeNinja | I have 755 root:root |
| 02:25.15 | Tired | you could just mount the directory via sshfs |
| 02:25.29 | insaneinside | <3 sshfs |
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| 02:25.37 | Tired | I personally find that sshfs performance sucks, though |
| 02:26.04 | markybob | that's what she said |
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| 02:26.07 | LobbyZ | its 755, CodeNinja |
| 02:26.38 | Tired | it would be excessively easy to try out, though |
| 02:27.35 | insaneinside | mesa_booger: No UPS, but this is a single-user home workstation, and I can afford some downtime with a bootable CD for fsck if I need to. Is XFS that bad? |
| 02:27.35 | CodeNinja | LobbyZ: :| my server dropped the drive with /home on it, and I'm re-creating it. I did useradd --uid 1000 --home-dir /home/gaintsura gaintsura; when I su -l gaintsura it says 'unable to cd to /home/gaintsura' /home/gaintsura is gaintsura:gaintsura 770 |
| 02:28.00 | insaneinside | CodeNinja: +x needed for cd |
| 02:28.47 | CodeNinja | insaneinside: it still says 'unable to cd to /home/gaintsura |
| 02:28.54 | Tired | s/excessively/ridiculously/ |
| 02:29.30 | insaneinside | CodeNinja: oops, it had {u,g}+x set already -_- |
| 02:29.35 | CodeNinja | yeah |
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| 02:29.35 | CodeNinja | :S |
| 02:29.39 | insaneinside | is obviously clueless here |
| 02:29.47 | CodeNinja | :( |
| 02:29.53 | CodeNinja | maybe I should just re-install |
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| 02:30.08 | Tired | reinstall, yay |
| 02:30.17 | CodeNinja | :( |
| 02:30.31 | Tired | that sounds like wors than windows |
| 02:30.33 | insaneinside | Really necessary? |
| 02:30.36 | Tired | there you only reboot every other minute |
| 02:31.11 | insaneinside | CodeNinja: have you checked dmesg | tail? |
| 02:31.36 | CodeNinja | insaneinside: nothing pertinent |
| 02:31.41 | Tired | ls -ld /home/ /home/gaintsura gives you what output? |
| 02:31.44 | Tired | hmm |
| 02:31.53 | Tired | make that ls -ld / /home /home/gaintsura |
| 02:32.46 | CodeNinja | Tired: drwxrwxr-x 2 gaintsura gaintsura 4.0k 2009-09-26 20:25 /home/gaintsura |
| 02:32.59 | CodeNinja | oh |
| 02:33.03 | mesa_booger | insaneinside: yes it really is. if you have a power out, you might lose shedloads of stuff |
| 02:33.03 | CodeNinja | oops, missed the / /home |
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| 02:33.56 | The2morrowMan | Speaking of filesystems... Anyone use JFS, or have an opinion of it? |
| 02:34.03 | CodeNinja | Tired: drw------- root root /; drwxr-xr-x root root /home then the above for /home/gaintsura |
| 02:34.09 | Tired | there you go |
| 02:34.16 | CodeNinja | need to fix / ? |
| 02:34.16 | Tired | permissions on / are wrong |
| 02:34.18 | insaneinside | The2morrowMan: I do -- no complaints. |
| 02:34.22 | CodeNinja | 755 ? |
| 02:34.25 | Tired | hee heee! |
| 02:34.32 | Tired | see my hunch of including / :) |
| 02:34.35 | The2morrowMan | insaneinside, How's the performance, CPU usage on copy, etc? |
| 02:34.35 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 02:34.42 | CodeNinja | Tired: what perms need to be on / ? |
| 02:35.00 | Tired | chmod a+rx / should do |
| 02:35.23 | CodeNinja | yar! |
| 02:35.25 | CodeNinja | thanks :) |
| 02:35.31 | CodeNinja | wonder if mysql will start now too |
| 02:36.03 | CodeNinja | hehe that was the problem with taht too |
| 02:36.11 | CodeNinja | wonder how I managed to do that |
| 02:36.11 | CodeNinja | :S |
| 02:36.55 | insaneinside | The2morrowMan: I've read [in non-verified sources] that it has about the lowest CPU overhead out there for journalled FSs |
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| 02:37.07 | Tired | "the problem with creating something foolproof is, that there are so ingenious fools around" |
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| 02:38.44 | insaneinside | The2morrowMan: I use it on a software-RAID array, so can't say much about JFS alone. |
| 02:40.27 | Delf | Where do I go to configure a tun? |
| 02:41.04 | pickcoder | Delf: down the hall on the right.. second door |
| 02:41.09 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 02:41.23 | Delf | That be my bathroom |
| 02:41.27 | Tired | hehe |
| 02:41.33 | The2morrowMan | insaneinside, How about reliability? Data loss on power failure, etc? |
| 02:42.14 | Delf | Please |
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| 02:44.35 | Tired | you already asked about that yesterday! |
| 02:44.42 | Tired | and I don't know more about it now than then |
| 02:45.04 | Tired | ... except that you have to make the device yourself with mknow... which we talked about yesterday |
| 02:45.22 | Delf | I don't seem to have a tun module |
| 02:45.56 | insaneinside | The2morrowMan: Never had any problems with it. Sometimes, though, if it isn't unmounted cleanly, mount fails at boot and I have to manually run fsck (it never finds any problems) and then mount it -- oh, um, OOPS. Looks like that's my fault, for putting a 0 in the pass field in fstab. :X |
| 02:46.00 | Delf | Tired: mknow and then? |
| 02:46.33 | Tired | mknod |
| 02:46.35 | The2morrowMan | insaneinside, Sounds like a pretty good FS, then. I might try it... |
| 02:46.45 | Delf | mknow mknod ? |
| 02:46.53 | Tired | s/mknow/mknod/ |
| 02:46.58 | Tired | but you did that yesterday |
| 02:46.59 | insaneinside | mktypo |
| 02:47.01 | Tired | hehe |
| 02:47.13 | Delf | I didn't. I didn't understand and i still don't understand |
| 02:47.13 | Tired | mkbadjoke |
| 02:47.24 | Delf | what to type in the root terminal |
| 02:47.39 | Tired | I'll be damned, it compiled! |
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| 02:48.31 | Tired | ... and segfaults |
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| 02:48.52 | Tired | !tun |
| 02:48.52 | dpkg | well, tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 02:48.54 | Delf | What do i type? |
| 02:49.17 | Tired | that... but else I cherish my ignorance on the subject |
| 02:49.45 | insaneinside | Delf: Bad question, unless you want your whole computer to be the butt of someone's joke... |
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| 02:50.18 | insaneinside | e.g., sudo cat /dev/random > /dev/mem |
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| 02:50.30 | insaneinside | wouldn't want to try it |
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| 02:50.44 | Delf | ... |
| 02:52.19 | Delf | I already had the directory so i did sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 02:52.31 | Delf | It seems like things are working now. Thank you! |
| 02:53.01 | Delf | Tired: Ignorance is bliss |
| 02:53.44 | Tired | sometimes |
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| 02:58.54 | Hideme | how do I import a PPA key from the command line? |
| 02:59.18 | Arafangion | Hello, what's the best way to access a windows desktop via ssh, where the sshd lives on a debian server. (And is the only system with direct access to the windows systems) |
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| 03:00.07 | Arafangion | (Best being excellent security - not expected to be a problem if I use ssh, and best performance - the ssh link itself will be on a small internet connection) |
| 03:01.11 | Tired | "access a desktop"? |
| 03:01.25 | Tired | wazzat? |
| 03:01.43 | Tired | PPA? |
| 03:01.50 | markybob | Arafangion, why would you use ssh to connect to a windows desktop? |
| 03:01.57 | insaneinside | Arafangion: You can't. |
| 03:02.01 | markybob | Arafangion, are you high? |
| 03:02.16 | insaneinside | Arafangion: sshd accepts incoming connections only. |
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| 03:03.56 | insaneinside | IS glad that Ubuntu popped up to siphon off most of the clueless masses. |
| 03:04.46 | markybob | insaneinside, not enough |
| 03:05.04 | stew | can you guys please keep your comments constructive and on-topic? |
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| 03:05.32 | Arafangion | Obviously I'm talking about an ssh tunnel to the ssh server, through which I might use something like vnc. |
| 03:05.34 | insaneinside | stew: will do, sorry |
| 03:05.42 | liable | tis sunday afterall :) |
| 03:05.43 | markybob | Arafangion, use logmein. it's free and uses encryption just as strong as ssh. problem solved |
| 03:05.56 | markybob | and it's not retarded |
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| 03:06.50 | macrobat | does debian use ppa keys? |
| 03:06.59 | markybob | not sure why you accessing a windows box is considered on topic in #debian, though. whatever |
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| 03:07.56 | Tired | liable, saturday! |
| 03:07.57 | Arafangion | markybob: I was expecting a response focused on that ssh server, perhaps there were good utility software that allows me to setup decent tunnels, etc. |
| 03:08.08 | markybob | macrobat, you can install ppa keys just like any other key |
| 03:08.19 | Arafangion | markybob: But that said, LogMein does look intruging... I'm hoping it does not require additional software on the server, though. |
| 03:08.22 | insaneinside | macrobat: Package repositories (the package lists, anyway) are signed with GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) keys, just like in Ubuntu. |
| 03:08.33 | stew | Arafangion: you don't really need to do anything on the server side to setup the tunnels, they have to be requested from the client side |
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| 03:09.13 | Arafangion | stew: Is there a good article about that? I'm very new to this particular aspect of administration. |
| 03:10.10 | markybob | Arafangion, remotely accessing a windows box, you should use logmein. they have 70 million users for a reason |
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| 03:10.36 | Tired | all of them in china? |
| 03:10.37 | stew | Arafangion: "man ssh" would show you how to do it if you are using the openssh client. "ssh -R remoteport:localhost:localport user@remotehost" is the basic syntax |
| 03:10.43 | stew | Arafangion: if you are using putty it is the same syntax |
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| 03:11.46 | Arafangion | stew: It would be more work than that... I'd then have to setup an iptables rule to map that local port to the target machine. |
| 03:12.00 | Arafangion | markybob: I'm currently reading about LogMein... It does look good. |
| 03:12.15 | Arrowmaster | you dont need to touch iptables |
| 03:12.33 | markybob | Arafangion, it's not good, it's fucking outstanding for managing windows boxes. i manage 230 windows boxes with logmein, for free |
| 03:13.13 | Arafangion | markybob: Excellent, I'll give them a go, thanks. :) |
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| 03:14.32 | Arafangion | markybob: Looks like they even provide a linux client program - outstanding. |
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| 03:18.32 | oblu | markybob: altiris .. |
| 03:18.52 | phobos_anomaly | anyone in here use apt-build on a regular basis? |
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| 03:19.48 | markybob | oblu, altiris...30 day trial. logmein, free forever. um, let's see.... |
| 03:20.09 | markybob | oblu, any other dumb comments? |
| 03:20.12 | oblu | markybob: true, but i have no experience with logmein |
| 03:20.13 | Arafangion | markybob: Free forever? Haha! |
| 03:20.25 | oblu | markybob: i just gave another suggestion |
| 03:20.35 | Arafangion | markybob: Still looks damn good, though - if they do begin charging for it I might even pay for it if it works well. |
| 03:21.37 | Arafangion | markybob: My only fault with it so far is that I suspect that it doesn't work in "local-network-only" mode, which admittedly isn't a common use case I have. |
| 03:21.42 | markybob | Arafangion, they charge for added features, which you probably wont ever use. such as drag-and-drop file upload. you can always just email a file to yourself or connect to an ftp box that you have access to |
| 03:22.31 | Arafangion | markybob: Just be careful of the word "forever". |
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| 03:23.38 | markybob | Arafangion, yes, i'll be sure to kill myself if that changes. c'mon |
| 03:23.59 | Tired | hooray, suicide |
| 03:24.13 | mesa_booger | markybob: next time, bet each way. on the nose is fraught with pain ... :) |
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| 03:24.51 | Arafangion | Stranger things have happened. |
| 03:25.02 | Tired | like what |
| 03:26.04 | Arafangion | Oh... I don't know... SCO turning around and suing and generally making everybody annoyed with the insane absurdity of the situation would probably be highest on that list. |
| 03:26.39 | markybob | sco is the only case which makes suicide bombing seem reasonable |
| 03:28.33 | mesa_booger | i thought santa cruz was a hispanic version of father christmas |
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| 03:28.58 | markybob | heh, nice |
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| 03:33.59 | Tired | santa crux? |
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| 03:36.15 | sylecn | I use a script to toggle gnome panel [http://pastebin.com/f6a29ffd7], but now gnome-session-remove is removed from latest gnome-session, is there a equivalent way to do the same thing? |
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| 03:39.05 | Tired | doesn't the changelog provide a clue? |
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| 03:40.43 | redstick | anyone have an idea what to do about my logs being spammed with "ath5k phy0: unsupported jumbo" |
| 03:40.54 | redstick | (atheros wireless bug) |
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| 03:41.23 | redstick | my connection seems fine, i just hate it spamming my logs |
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| 03:45.03 | sylecn | redstick: you can add a rule in /etc/rsyslog.conf to drop the message. like this: :msg, contains, "ath5k phy0: unsupported jumbo" ~ |
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| 03:47.12 | redstick | sylecn: ah, cool, thanks |
| 03:47.40 | sylecn | redstick: no problem |
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| 03:50.55 | Wyzard | redstick: Jumbo frames are frames bigger than 1500 bytes |
| 03:51.17 | cast | your momma frames |
| 03:51.22 | Wyzard | redstick: I would guess that maybe something on your network transmitted a jumbo frame, but your card doesn't support (or isn't configured to allow) them |
| 03:51.56 | tristan_sbs | I know some switches don't support jumbo frames, could that have any bearing on this? |
| 03:52.16 | cast | nah, then the switch would complain and not your nic |
| 03:52.19 | Wyzard | A jumbo frame wouldn't pass through a switch that doesn't support them, afaik |
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| 03:52.28 | pickcoder | sings jumbo frame to the music from "macho man" |
| 03:52.46 | Wyzard | This is a wireless network, so one must have passed through the AP, or maybe was transmitted by another wireless user |
| 03:53.12 | Wyzard | If possible, find another computer connected to the same AP that doesn't get those messages, and run wireshark on it |
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| 03:55.01 | Wyzard | It'd be nice if jumbo frames would become the norm -- many things support them nowadays |
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| 04:07.24 | chuleta7 | hola, ayuda en español |
| 04:07.28 | chuleta7 | please |
| 04:07.36 | liable | !es |
| 04:07.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:19.48 | Gratz474_ | debian is really not made for ruby on rails development huh heh |
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| 04:20.16 | markybob | Gratz474_, you say that like it's a bad thing :P |
| 04:20.17 | mesa_booger | "ruby on rails" and "development" don't really go together |
| 04:20.29 | Gratz474_ | huh? |
| 04:20.30 | Gratz474_ | well |
| 04:20.37 | Gratz474_ | what do you guys here use ? |
| 04:20.49 | markybob | not ruby. anything but ruby : P |
| 04:21.01 | mesa_booger | it's like a train running backwards. retrograde, to use a more precise term |
| 04:21.15 | Gratz474_ | markybob, like what? python? django? |
| 04:21.45 | tristan_sbs | Depends on what you're trying to do :P |
| 04:21.50 | markybob | Gratz474_, i was the lead developer of deluge for just over a year. also, i wrote shellter and have extensive php experience |
| 04:22.04 | Gratz474_ | so how is ruby bad? |
| 04:22.08 | Gratz474_ | ita more OO then python |
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| 04:22.16 | Gratz474_ | stays much more true to smalltalk then python |
| 04:22.23 | Gratz474_ | and a far more natural syntax? |
| 04:22.48 | markybob | Gratz474_, is OO the true measure of a language? |
| 04:23.04 | Gratz474_ | if your using an OO language then possibly so ;) |
| 04:23.45 | mesa_booger | can i just say that none of this so-called "coding" excites me ? |
| 04:23.45 | markybob | Gratz474_, i believe that you use the best tool for the job. i have never had a job that i've thought ruby was best suited for |
| 04:23.49 | nevyn | most languages exist for good reasons... |
| 04:24.03 | mesa_booger | allegedly |
| 04:24.17 | nevyn | and some fit particular individuals style/way of thinking |
| 04:24.27 | tristan_sbs | Very true |
| 04:24.32 | Gratz474_ | markybob, well i dont know aobut the way you decide it but personally i could never ever use php ever |
| 04:24.44 | mesa_booger | at last, some sense |
| 04:24.57 | nevyn | mesa_booger: there are languages which were created as jokes or object lessons that are in my opinion of limited value. |
| 04:25.07 | nevyn | brainfuck and intercal spring to mind |
| 04:25.23 | mesa_booger | php is like hanging a sign on the server saying "black hat hackers welcome" |
| 04:25.51 | Gratz474_ | mesa_booger, absolutely |
| 04:25.57 | markybob | mesa_booger, no. the security of a language is based on the programmer, not on the language itself |
| 04:25.59 | mesa_booger | or "park your illegal files here" |
| 04:26.01 | nevyn | Gratz474_: php is a reasonable choice for a simple standalone form responce thingy |
| 04:26.15 | tristan_sbs | I've been using perl mostly lately in production stuff. |
| 04:26.19 | Gratz474_ | markybob, php has maaaany problems internally |
| 04:26.20 | Gratz474_ | many |
| 04:26.31 | tristan_sbs | For quick scripts or such, I'll just use PHP; it takes less time for me that way. |
| 04:26.40 | tristan_sbs | But not for internet facing stuff :P |
| 04:26.42 | nevyn | ah yes perl the write only language |
| 04:26.52 | markybob | Gratz474_, yes. none of which cant be handled by knowledge. just like every language...c can have insane memory leaks |
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| 04:27.13 | mesa_booger | markybob: you know, i kinda agree with that. but it's the programmer who makes bad choices of language too ... |
| 04:27.13 | Gratz474_ | markybob, please juse look up the php security record |
| 04:28.07 | markybob | Gratz474_, i've written many php applications and know its limitations intimately. |
| 04:28.21 | mesa_booger | if it isn't xlib or opengl in c, i tend not to pay much notice to coding |
| 04:28.33 | Gratz474_ | i do as well, most serious web devs in 06 took a jump to python or ruby |
| 04:28.44 | Gratz474_ | in 07 things came about to try and keep users cakephp etc |
| 04:28.55 | nevyn | for systems python, ruby, lisp |
| 04:29.02 | markybob | Gratz474_, best tool for the job. as i've said, i've done much python work |
| 04:29.02 | nevyn | maybe perl |
| 04:29.05 | nevyn | big maybe |
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| 04:29.33 | markybob | Gratz474_, look me up if you dont belive me :) |
| 04:29.36 | Gratz474_ | markybob, its my persoanl belief ruby is the best, more natural syntax then python and stays true to smalltalk |
| 04:29.46 | mesa_booger | nevyn: i think forth and apl take the "write only" trophies |
| 04:30.00 | nevyn | mesa_booger: brainfuck |
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| 04:31.23 | mesa_booger | markybob: i believe you. your grumpiness is testament to your prolonged exposure to php |
| 04:31.23 | markybob | hehe |
| 04:31.50 | mesa_booger | it should have a hazmat warning in there somewhere |
| 04:33.32 | fogus | is it ok to use only one partition for a simple install? |
| 04:33.42 | mesa_booger | in short yes |
| 04:33.46 | fogus | or do I need a swap? (not much ram) |
| 04:33.52 | mesa_booger | oh i see |
| 04:33.53 | markybob | fogus, yes. the installer suggests it for new users |
| 04:33.54 | fogus | 768 mb |
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| 04:34.12 | fogus | markybob: what is "it"? |
| 04:34.12 | mesa_booger | prolly 2 parts then. one main. one swap |
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| 04:35.21 | markybob | fogus, generally, if you dont know, you just hit enter and keep doing with whatever is default |
| 04:35.55 | mesa_booger | "this will delete all your data, press return to confirm" |
| 04:36.35 | markybob | presses return |
| 04:38.55 | mesa_booger | if you need to automate it - http://nopaste.com/p/aGlrT5aGC |
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| 04:39.57 | clarjon1 | presses "return to confirm" |
| 04:40.57 | softlite | hello I have a question |
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| 04:41.46 | softlite | bout selinux :S and the policy on SELINUX :) |
| 04:42.03 | Shmithers | fogus: configure network manually? |
| 04:42.25 | mesa_booger | softlite: well laddie, don't just sit there. out with it ! |
| 04:42.25 | fogus | Shmithers: yes |
| 04:43.22 | Shmithers | fogus: same IP as on the box? |
| 04:43.40 | fogus | Shmithers: no. what is your windows IP? |
| 04:44.52 | mesa_booger | there will be a short message from our sponsors while softlite formulates his next question about a question |
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| 04:45.32 | Shmithers | fogus: my windows machine on my x64 RED? |
| 04:45.45 | fogus | Shmithers: get the ISA external IP actually (the one facing the modem) |
| 04:46.09 | softlite | I do not know how to put politics Strinct to activate the rule sysadmin_t for my system |
| 04:46.35 | fogus | Shmithers: I think use 192.168.2.5 |
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| 04:47.38 | Shmithers | Fogus: netmask? 255.255.255.0? |
| 04:47.46 | softlite | you found the package alone "selinux-policy-default - Variantes «Strict» y «Targeted» de la política de SELinux" |
| 04:47.47 | fogus | Shmithers: yes |
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| 04:48.12 | Shmithers | Gateway? |
| 04:48.14 | n3glv | hello gents |
| 04:48.24 | fogus | Shmithers: 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:48.27 | softlite | bout y dont know how activate the Strinct :( |
| 04:48.29 | n3glv | anyone here know asterisk / dahdi on lenny? |
| 04:48.48 | softlite | someone who knows |
| 04:48.50 | mesa_booger | softlite: strict policy ? |
| 04:49.04 | Shmithers | fogus: Name server addresses? default says 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:49.17 | fogus | Shmithers: sure |
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| 04:49.22 | n3glv | mesa_booger: ugly guitar amp? |
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| 04:49.48 | mesa_booger | n3glv: opengl clone amateur, actually |
| 04:49.49 | softlite | yes for the role sysadmin |
| 04:50.02 | n3glv | lol |
| 04:50.10 | n3glv | sounded like mesa boogie |
| 04:50.14 | mesa_booger | yup |
| 04:50.23 | n3glv | nice amps |
| 04:50.28 | mesa_booger | i used to play a pre-cbs strat thru one |
| 04:50.54 | n3glv | friend had a twin reverb fender and a 56 telly and a 57 strat... |
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| 04:51.08 | mesa_booger | nice. 6l6gc tubes |
| 04:51.13 | n3glv | ya |
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| 04:51.28 | softlite | I read about this, AND this contains the rule sysadmin for my root :D |
| 04:51.28 | n3glv | also had a 1950s gold top les paul |
| 04:51.37 | n3glv | it was refinished though |
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| 04:51.56 | n3glv | the crying shame is his new wife put all 3 in the celler and they warped, the les SPLIT......... |
| 04:52.07 | n3glv | ugh, got $7,000 for all 3 |
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| 04:52.11 | mesa_booger | i knew a girl who went to a finishing school. she went back for another coat |
| 04:52.13 | n3glv | the paul was worth 20+ |
| 04:52.37 | k]t | xeon-enouf: i was soooooo smoking... this system is hott |
| 04:52.39 | mesa_booger | softlite: edit the conf file in /etc iirc |
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| 04:53.00 | n3glv | so, I get this error about loading dahdi.ko |
| 04:53.04 | sauvin | mesa_booger, she didn't get shellacked? |
| 04:53.07 | softlite | because I see in my root home this context |
| 04:53.09 | n3glv | on an aserisk system |
| 04:53.11 | k]t | radeon driver is a little off so i got more conf. to do, l8 |
| 04:53.24 | softlite | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root unconfined_u:object_r:unconfined_home_dir_t:s0 4096 sep 22 00:11 root |
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| 04:53.32 | mesa_booger | n3glv: kernel module not found, or not compatible or something ? |
| 04:54.15 | n3glv | here's a similar error, but mine is all 32bit |
| 04:54.16 | n3glv | Loading DAHDI hardware modules: FATAL: Error inserting dahdi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/asterisk/dahdi/dahdi.ko |
| 04:54.33 | n3glv | insert my versions of kernel etc |
| 04:54.55 | mesa_booger | n3glv: run ldconfig to make the module dependencies ? |
| 04:55.16 | mesa_booger | n3glv: er i mean depmod -a |
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| 04:55.18 | Shmithers | Fogus: Partition Method? My optopns are Guided - use entire disk, Guided - Use entire disk and set up LVM Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM, and Manual |
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| 04:55.28 | fogus | Shmithers: use entire disk |
| 04:55.29 | n3glv | oops, did ldconfig and am rebooting |
| 04:55.31 | n3glv | ;-) |
| 04:55.35 | fogus | Shmithers: use the default |
| 04:56.00 | mesa_booger | n3glv: yeah sowwy. depmod is what you wanted |
| 04:56.25 | n3glv | yeah, the end of the error is invalid module format |
| 04:56.31 | softlite | Im eject this and workd bout no activate the role |
| 04:56.46 | n3glv | so just depmod? |
| 04:56.54 | mesa_booger | n3glv: depmod -a |
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| 04:57.29 | mesa_booger | n3glv: but it sounds like there may be more trouble ahead. invalid module format doesn't look very promising |
| 04:57.39 | n3glv | yeah |
| 04:57.40 | softlite | chcont -u system_u -r object_r -t -r sysadmin_home_dir_t /root |
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| 04:58.00 | n3glv | wanna see the installer script website? |
| 04:58.19 | enyapxam | hey folks does anyone know how we can make a a custom install image of debian (preferably on USB stick)? |
| 04:58.25 | n3glv | same error |
| 04:58.38 | mesa_booger | n3glv: did you compile this module or was it supplied ? |
| 04:58.47 | n3glv | compiled via a script |
| 04:58.51 | softlite | bout de role sysadmin_home_dir_t no activate yet |
| 04:59.04 | mesa_booger | n3glv: let's have a gander then |
| 04:59.24 | n3glv | http://www.corenetworks.com.au/wiki/doku.php?id=debian_asterisk_freepbx_script |
| 04:59.31 | softlite | some one? mesa_booger |
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| 05:00.07 | RsaSecure2 | trying to figure out something with automapper. I want to know what is avaliable thru automapper, how do I do that? ypwhich -m shows all the maps, but then how to di findout what filesystem is using autofs? |
| 05:00.21 | mesa_booger | softlite: i'm not really a selinux kinda guy. maybe someone else could help. maybe there is a #debian-es channel ? |
| 05:00.36 | mesa_booger | n3glv: can you paste the actual script ? |
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| 05:00.45 | mesa_booger | n3glv: pastebin |
| 05:00.46 | n3glv | http://www.corenetworks.com.au/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=asterisk-freepbx_0.6_dahdi_en_mod_2009-03-3.tar.gz |
| 05:01.03 | unknownuser | hi everyone, someone with experience in NSLU2 |
| 05:01.14 | softlite | XD jajajaja |
| 05:01.16 | n3glv | hard w/o x on the box |
| 05:01.40 | unknownuser | yes |
| 05:01.42 | softlite | :O |
| 05:01.44 | softlite | :( |
| 05:01.58 | softlite | I discriminate |
| 05:01.59 | softlite | :( |
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| 05:02.03 | softlite | ok |
| 05:02.18 | softlite | thx for you help :( |
| 05:02.30 | n3glv | softlite: como esta? |
| 05:02.37 | mesa_booger | n3glv: 439 lines. hmmm. i'm not sure i can plough thru that before ... hmmm ... let's see october 24th ... |
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| 05:02.56 | softlite | n3glv I'm ok :P |
| 05:03.16 | n3glv | mesa_booger the dahdi stuff is I suspect the issue eh? |
| 05:03.27 | n3glv | first thing it makes (after putting in php etc) |
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| 05:03.39 | softlite | I have to speak English in this channel :P |
| 05:03.43 | mesa_booger | n3glv: could be the version numbers starting at line 18 |
| 05:03.44 | softlite | :P |
| 05:03.52 | n3glv | I updated those |
| 05:03.58 | mesa_booger | n3glv: right |
| 05:04.08 | softlite | bout I'm ok :P jejeje |
| 05:04.09 | n3glv | same error |
| 05:04.22 | n3glv | anyway softlite my spanish is mui poquito |
| 05:04.31 | n3glv | but wanted to say 'hola' |
| 05:04.51 | softlite | ok |
| 05:05.05 | mesa_booger | n3glv: did you download kernel source too ? and does it match your running kernel ? |
| 05:05.12 | softlite | do you help my. My ask :P SELINUX? |
| 05:05.14 | n3glv | yes, it's there |
| 05:05.23 | n3glv | feel like taking a look? |
| 05:05.35 | mesa_booger | i'm at line 165 |
| 05:05.59 | softlite | ok |
| 05:06.03 | mesa_booger | n3glv: i take it the compile etc goes cleanly ? |
| 05:06.12 | n3glv | yeah, looks fine |
| 05:06.18 | softlite | I'm wait |
| 05:06.18 | n3glv | no outright bombs |
| 05:06.29 | n3glv | in fact, the dahdidummy works |
| 05:06.35 | n3glv | the card driver seems borked |
| 05:07.03 | n3glv | my uk lenny expert is missing in action |
| 05:07.10 | n3glv | he has his own install script |
| 05:07.23 | n3glv | if you would like to see it, but I had sql issues with his |
| 05:07.39 | unknownuser | someone with experience in NSLU2, please |
| 05:07.52 | n3glv | unknownuser: slug project? |
| 05:07.54 | n3glv | google |
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| 05:09.19 | mesa_booger | n3glv: i'm getting a bit tired now. i'll peruse it tomorrow. not promising any positive results, but i'll certainly apply my incisive powers of sleuthing more fully than tonight |
| 05:09.29 | Tired | mesa_booger, hmm? |
| 05:09.34 | n3glv | lol me too tbh |
| 05:09.37 | Tired | you highlighted? |
| 05:09.44 | n3glv | and perhaps can flag down flashtek |
| 05:09.52 | n3glv | tnx all the same mate |
| 05:09.54 | Shmithers | Fogus: Use a network mirror? |
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| 05:10.00 | unknownuser | thank you n3glv but need more help some else idea |
| 05:10.02 | mesa_booger | Tired: i'm tired :) |
| 05:10.09 | Tired | no, I am! |
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| 05:10.12 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 05:10.21 | Tired | don't try to be my identity crisis |
| 05:10.28 | fogus | Shmithers: I don't knwp |
| 05:10.40 | fogus | guys, should he use a network mirrior? what's that for again? |
| 05:10.54 | fogus | Shmithers: is there a default? |
| 05:11.41 | Shmithers | there is a yes/no it would be for installing more software later.. like gui etc.. |
| 05:14.02 | fogus | Shmithers: we will add it to sources.list later |
| 05:14.05 | fogus | ignore it |
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| 05:18.23 | itsme | hi |
| 05:18.31 | fogus | hey, its you! |
| 05:18.44 | itsme | me ??? |
| 05:19.04 | fogus | yes. |
| 05:19.10 | fogus | your nick is appripriate |
| 05:19.22 | fogus | anyway, hello |
| 05:19.35 | itsme | i am a first timer. who want to learn debian |
| 05:19.40 | itsme | any help for me |
| 05:19.40 | fogus | but enough with small talk. how's the weather/ |
| 05:20.01 | fogus | itsme: adb is very knowledagle |
| 05:20.01 | itsme | i don't get it |
| 05:20.10 | rgr | dont get what? |
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| 05:20.24 | itsme | the weather stuff |
| 05:20.33 | rgr | he's pulling your chain. |
| 05:20.43 | RsaSecure2 | in my ypcak -k auto.data, I got some results. How would I know what is the parent directory? |
| 05:20.44 | itsme | never mind |
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| 05:20.57 | rgr | I recommend the Debian Gnu Linux bible. Its nice to read from a real book. |
| 05:21.25 | itsme | hope I can goole and find the ebook |
| 05:21.38 | fogus | rgr: when the debian installer lists "standard system" as software to install, do I need that for ssh access? |
| 05:22.12 | rgr | No idea. You need to look what package the ssh server daemon is in. |
| 05:22.17 | cast | for ssh access you only need an sshd |
| 05:22.25 | itsme | aaaa ?? |
| 05:22.25 | mesa_booger | sounds better than "non-standard" |
| 05:22.27 | cast | openssh-server \m/ |
| 05:22.45 | fogus | cast: would I need to install the "standard system" to get it? |
| 05:23.00 | rgr | itsme: the ebook removes the advantage. There are many google resoures to help get you going. |
| 05:23.22 | cast | or....lsh-server |
| 05:23.29 | cast | fogus: no, you just aptitude install it |
| 05:23.40 | itsme | thanks rgr. hope to get in touch latter |
| 05:23.44 | cast | fogus: apt will sort out all the deps. |
| 05:23.45 | rgr | unless its installed as part of the standard system ... |
| 05:24.02 | fogus | cast: ok |
| 05:24.04 | itsme | I mean some other time time for more help. / |
| 05:24.08 | itsme | lol |
| 05:24.08 | rgr | good luck. But the bible book is good. |
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| 05:32.24 | neoice | if you want to use NFS, do you have to have support for the remote file system type? |
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| 05:39.30 | cast | neoice: no. |
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| 05:40.51 | Open | hi, in Iceweasel, how is a ogg file to be played? |
| 05:40.51 | Open | for example, for this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Ru-%D0%BB%D0%B8.ogg |
| 05:41.12 | Open | I just get "no video" .. do I have to download codecs? I wouldn't have thought so, since ogg is free |
| 05:42.09 | Open | okay.. now iceweasel crashes, whenever I refresh |
| 05:42.18 | liable | mplayer plugin |
| 05:42.35 | AruNatsu | when i ssh into my debian system, i see all these gibberish characters due to lack of utf-8 support. how do i set this up? |
| 05:42.51 | Open | liable, will this do? apt-get install mplayer-plugin |
| 05:43.24 | liable | Open: mozilla-mplayer |
| 05:44.02 | sladi | Open: mplayer-plugin works fine |
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| 05:44.36 | Open | sladi, are you suggesting that I rought out to do #apt-get install mplayer-plugin? |
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| 05:45.12 | Open | I've gotta say, I find it a bit confusing why it didn't come packed with debian |
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| 05:45.39 | liable | hmm, its deprecated actually, ghecko-mediaplayer is the new one.. |
| 05:45.45 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hey, how can I install snort from repos? |
| 05:45.58 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | it complains about libmysql.....15-off |
| 05:45.59 | sladi | Open: There are probably some other plugins too, so you have to choose one. |
| 05:46.05 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I can't remember the package right now |
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| 05:46.50 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: apt-get install snort. or aptitude install snort. or use synaptic desktop thingy |
| 05:47.13 | fogus | where are the network interface config files located? |
| 05:47.19 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | it complains about libmysql.....15-off |
| 05:47.22 | AruNatsu | exit |
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| 05:47.54 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | mesa_booger: it complains about libmysql.....15-off |
| 05:48.01 | sladi | Open: I use mozilla-mplayer package. |
| 05:48.18 | Open | sladi, I just installed that package.. I see no effect |
| 05:48.24 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: can you be less specific. there's a danger i might be able to help ... |
| 05:48.28 | Open | I still see the same black screen saying "no screen" and I hear nothing |
| 05:49.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | less specific? uh.. "snort install error"? :| |
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| 05:49.30 | sladi | Open: can you play it in console with mplayer URL? I use unstable version of mplayer though. |
| 05:49.56 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | mesa_booger: http://pastebin.com/ma332516 |
| 05:50.16 | Open | sladi, yes, I can do $mplayer <url of the file> and it plays fine |
| 05:50.38 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: looks like you have been messing with /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:51.00 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | nope, it is the same sources.list that I used to install debian |
| 05:51.02 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | squeeze |
| 05:51.24 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: i take it that translates to "depends on libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1) but it will not be installed" |
| 05:51.45 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but it is not instalable* |
| 05:51.52 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | or "can't be installed" |
| 05:51.55 | mesa_booger | right |
| 05:52.09 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | "c libmysqlclient15off - MySQL database client library |
| 05:52.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | " |
| 05:52.16 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | result of aptitude search |
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| 05:52.44 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: i'm actually using sid, and it worked for me. you could try that, if you feel daring. but i'm not sure i'd recommend it |
| 05:52.58 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | it is a server, mesa_booger |
| 05:53.00 | fredl | I'm sure I wouldn't. |
| 05:53.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I'm afraid that it is not recommended |
| 05:53.08 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | he |
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| 05:54.10 | mesa_booger | Kamus_H_Zwisch: the problem is with version numbers and missing versions. maybe you can fix the libmysqlclient15off version to match what is needed |
| 05:55.02 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | editing the "available" file? |
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| 05:55.49 | fredl | is mysql now broken on squeeze? :) |
| 05:56.08 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I read that they are migrating to 1.6, which is giving this errors |
| 05:56.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | don't remember where |
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| 05:56.36 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ops |
| 05:56.37 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | not 1.6 |
| 05:56.42 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I forgot it |
| 05:56.47 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | they are migrating, that is what I know :P |
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| 05:57.23 | nsadmin | if mysql doesn't work out for ya, you can always try postgres |
| 05:57.52 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I tried without specifying snort-mysql, but only snort |
| 05:58.13 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but snort-common-libraries still complains |
| 05:58.36 | nsadmin | so snort depends on mysql? |
| 05:58.44 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | anyway, mysql is running perfectly in it |
| 05:58.49 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | seens so, nsadmin |
| 05:59.38 | fredl | "Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it takes a long time for things to get rectified. Sometimes this could be days and it could be months at times." |
| 05:59.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Dom Set 27 - 02:56:30 root@Thamuz: [/var/lib/dpkg] # mysql -u root -p |
| 05:59.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Enter password: |
| 05:59.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| 05:59.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Your MySQL connection id is 104 |
| 05:59.39 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Server version: 5.1.37-2 (Debian) |
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| 05:59.49 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | mysql> sorry, too much lines |
| 05:59.54 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | wrong selected |
| 05:59.56 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | Server version: 5.1.37-2 (Debian) |
| 05:59.58 | Open | playing the file actually crashes iceweasel. this is extremely frustrating - this is on a fresh install, with no addons or anything. lenny stable |
| 05:59.59 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | was this line |
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| 06:00.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what file, Open ? |
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| 06:00.30 | Open | Kamping_Kaiser, ogg files from wikipedia |
| 06:00.44 | Open | I'm sleepy, I'll deal with this later. night |
| 06:00.50 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | night |
| 06:00.53 | fredl | 'nite |
| 06:01.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | i assume that was directed at someone else |
| 06:01.13 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | me, Kamping_Kaiser :P |
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| 06:01.59 | fogus | can someone please give me an example of doing an "ifconfig eth0 up" thingie? does that work as is? |
| 06:02.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yeah, works |
| 06:02.13 | fogus | how can I see all my eths even if they are not configured yet? |
| 06:02.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ifconfig, fogus |
| 06:02.21 | fredl | ifconfig -a |
| 06:02.38 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | needs -a? |
| 06:02.48 | fredl | even if they are not configured yet |
| 06:02.56 | fredl | so yes. |
| 06:03.12 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :) |
| 06:03.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hey, http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8660/capturadetelag.png |
| 06:03.18 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | xplanet with traceroute :D |
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| 06:03.42 | fogus | Kamus_H_Zwisch: do I just make more entries in /etc/network/interfaces to get them online? |
| 06:03.43 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: No, I think low-level ASM code for DSP's take the "write-only" trophy. |
| 06:04.07 | fredl | fogus, yes, or play with network manager. |
| 06:04.20 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I think so, fogus |
| 06:04.36 | fogus | fredl: network manager? is that a GUI? |
| 06:04.48 | fredl | yes |
| 06:05.27 | fredl | well it *has* a GUI |
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| 06:07.22 | fogus | fredl: can I do non-gui config with it? |
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| 06:08.43 | fredl | fogus, what exactly is it that you *want* to do? |
| 06:09.00 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: that's a heck of a lag on your connection btw :) |
| 06:09.19 | fogus | fredl: add my inactive interfaces and config them |
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| 06:09.29 | dman_ | anyone have any idea how i might fix this: dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure): |
| 06:09.30 | dman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.46 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: I went for a drive, and the <censored> pidgin client did not auto-scroll. |
| 06:10.02 | fredl | fogus, just edit /etc/network/interfaces then, forget about network-manager. |
| 06:10.03 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: i used to do dsp on chips. moto dsp56000 and tms-something-or-other.oh and sharc too |
| 06:10.11 | fogus | kk |
| 06:10.13 | macrobat | do "eths" need their firmware to show up with ifconfig -a? |
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| 06:10.35 | fredl | fogus, network-manager is much better IMO at configuring interfaces that you want to bring up when a user logs in. |
| 06:10.39 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: Well, I'm very new to the field, but I think my statement still stands. :) |
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| 06:10.50 | dirkson | Hey all. I'd like to break up one large, high resolution movie into multiple smaller, lower resolution movies. Does anyone know of software offhand that would make that task a bit easier? |
| 06:10.54 | fogus | fredl: this is just an ssh box |
| 06:10.58 | fogus | night all! |
| 06:11.01 | fredl | fogus, allowing you to more easily configure things like WEP, WPA etc. |
| 06:11.05 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: all i ever did was fftw and dolph-chebyshev data-tapering windows. i do it on the pc now |
| 06:11.06 | fredl | ok |
| 06:11.15 | fogus | fredl: good to know. this is wired only atm |
| 06:11.23 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: Lucky you. :) |
| 06:11.33 | mesa_booger | in c as well |
| 06:11.38 | mesa_booger | i gave up asm |
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| 06:12.33 | fredl | dirkson - ffmpeg is good at converting movie formats. |
| 06:13.07 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: So you do agree. :) |
| 06:13.26 | mesa_booger | every time i mention dolph-chebyshev in the pub, people get "that look" and wander off ... |
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| 06:13.32 | fredl | dirkson - so is mencoder. Read their respective manual pages to find how to do what you want to do, |
| 06:14.20 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: Most people just do hanning windows. :) |
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| 06:14.57 | dirkson | I was sort of hoping for something "guier" (Heh). This isn't a task I need insane flexibility with, or need to do more than a handful of times, so a gui would take a full metric ass-ton less time than learning how to make ffmpeg or mencoder do stuff. |
| 06:14.57 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: yeah or hamming or blackman. the odd gauss creeps in from time to time |
| 06:15.26 | mesa_booger | hanning is a made up name. it's actually von hann |
| 06:15.34 | Arafangion | mesa_booger: To be honest, I'm a software engineer dabbling in DSP at the moment. I've never studied it. When this project is over, I'll be back to 'regular' software engineering. |
| 06:16.14 | fredl | dirkson it's worth the time reading the docs on ffmpeg. |
| 06:16.42 | fredl | dirkson, it took a lot of time to write, it should take a long time to read :) |
| 06:16.42 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: it's all good experience tho. you'll be the house dsp expert when you go back to regular stuff |
| 06:17.30 | dirkson | fredl: Well, if I ever needed it to do stuff it would be. Unfortunately, for this task it feels somewhat like whipping out a nuclear power plant to swat a fly. SURE, you can DO it, and that is going to be one DEAD fly, but I'd really rather have a flyswatter at the end of the day. |
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| 06:18.07 | imimimiim | hi is there a way to designate what devices are populated when you boot and it says "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
| 06:18.36 | mesa_booger | Arafangion: i know some real hardcore dspers. they talk about kalman filters and maximum-entropy ar coefficients. now that stuff is write only ... |
| 06:18.36 | nsadmin | probably the devices are probed |
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| 06:19.06 | imimimiim | nsadmin, yeah, im hoping i can stop that probing and instead just specify exactly what i need. its for an embedded system |
| 06:19.15 | imimimiim | boot needs to be really fast |
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| 06:19.34 | nsadmin | oh, well, you could try looking into udev and writing udev rules |
| 06:19.41 | fredl | dirkson - maybe you can try 'avidemux' ? |
| 06:20.01 | fredl | dirkson - I haven't used it myself, I just googled a bit |
| 06:20.04 | imimimiim | nsadmin, udev rules.. i will look in to it |
| 06:20.19 | dirkson | fredl: Heyheyhey! That sucker looks like exactly what I need. |
| 06:20.20 | imimimiim | thanks |
| 06:20.25 | nsadmin | and just so it's complete... |
| 06:20.31 | fredl | "Avidemux is a free video editor designed for simple cutting, filtering |
| 06:20.31 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.42 | fredl | dirkson - does that describe what you need? |
| 06:21.01 | nsadmin | try to find out how the whole system of hardware detection works in linux/debian and how it connects to udev |
| 06:21.23 | imimimiim | nsadmin, thats beyond the scope of what i'm trying to achieve |
| 06:21.33 | dirkson | fredl: Very much. That includes everything I need, plus filtering. |
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| 06:21.48 | fredl | dirkson - oh okay. good. |
| 06:21.55 | fredl | enjoy. |
| 06:21.58 | nsadmin | it's actually the exact scope of what you're trying to accomplish UNLESS you intend to hire a consultant |
| 06:22.33 | dirkson | fredl: Thank you : ) I only found things like "lives", which not only is WAY more advanced than I need, doesn't even work well with large video files. |
| 06:22.53 | imimimiim | nsadmin, sorry, it sounded like you wanted me to delve deep in to the linux kernel.. |
| 06:23.01 | dirkson | fredl: I.e. Takes an hour just to open an hour long file. |
| 06:23.04 | imimimiim | maybe a shallow dive for me, that is all |
| 06:23.19 | dirkson | fredl: And then crashes anyway :D |
| 06:24.10 | nsadmin | no, not into the source, but into documentation relating to how hardware detection is done, what config files are involved and the precise format of those config files, sufficient to allow you to read, understand and write them |
| 06:24.38 | imimimiim | will do |
| 06:24.42 | nsadmin | alternatively.... |
| 06:25.19 | nsadmin | you might look into how to ditch hardware detection entirely, and build a kernel that has all drivers for your hardware compiled in (i.e., no modules) |
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| 06:25.38 | nsadmin | at that point you still might have device naming issues |
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| 06:25.56 | imimimiim | you mean monolithic vs modular? |
| 06:26.04 | nsadmin | yes |
| 06:26.26 | nsadmin | that could increase the boot speed |
| 06:26.29 | imimimiim | thats just a kernel setting isnt it |
| 06:26.45 | fredl | well, modular in standard debian kernels seems pretty massive and monolithic at times :P |
| 06:26.56 | nsadmin | many kernel source config settings, yes |
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| 06:27.24 | fredl | last time I checked some 1500+ kernel modules are compiled. |
| 06:27.45 | nsadmin | of course you might also decide it's not worth your time to go into all this |
| 06:28.00 | imimimiim | hmm.. i'll grab the bootstrap kernel and have a look, debootstrap right? |
| 06:28.02 | nsadmin | and if that's the case, you have at least two choices: |
| 06:28.10 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.23 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.45 | imimimiim | i am the consultant, for myself. |
| 06:29.29 | nsadmin | you still have at least the choices of living with it or learning about it enough so you can deal with it |
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| 06:29.54 | imimimiim | yeah i'll figure it out, i just like to ask around to give me some bearings on the situation first |
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| 06:30.37 | nsadmin | when you said "bootstrap kernel" and "debootstrap", you confused me a bit: do you have debian installed on the device now? |
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| 06:30.55 | imimimiim | yeah it is installed currently why? |
| 06:31.08 | imimimiim | i can replace the kernel if i like |
| 06:31.26 | nsadmin | ok, and so you must have used debootstrap to get it installed? |
| 06:31.42 | imimimiim | not this time.. |
| 06:31.56 | imimimiim | this was a standard install |
| 06:32.35 | nsadmin | I'm not sure how debootstrap is involved here, if you have a small embedded device, it may or may not make sense to use debootstrap unless there are sufficient hardware resources on the device (ram, storage) |
| 06:33.06 | nsadmin | just so you know, you can replace the kernel without using debootstrap |
| 06:33.22 | imimimiim | how do i get the kernel sources for my kernel? 2.26? |
| 06:33.37 | cast | someone was looking for 2.26 yesterday |
| 06:33.38 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r |
| 06:33.53 | nsadmin | on the device that is |
| 06:33.57 | imimimiim | 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 06:34.20 | nsadmin | you could try apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 |
| 06:34.44 | nsadmin | what cpu does the device actually have? |
| 06:34.55 | imimimiim | amd lx800 |
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| 06:35.27 | imimimiim | i think i'll just download from kernel.org |
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| 06:36.49 | imimimiim | ok off to the site, see ya, thanks for the help |
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| 06:44.38 | nsadmin | notes finding a reference to a config file for linux kernel for geode amd lx800 which shows it's compiled for 686, this could speed that guy up quite a bit |
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| 06:52.34 | pheo | hey everyone, i've got a networking question... is this the place to ask? |
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| 06:53.01 | nsadmin | you can try... |
| 06:53.03 | tristan_sbs | If it's a networking issue on Debian :P |
| 06:53.07 | tristan_sbs | Possibly |
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| 06:53.59 | nsadmin | you might also consider #networking |
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| 06:55.31 | Arafangion | would've assumed that #networking would be more about facebook, rsvp.com, and such like. |
| 06:55.33 | pheo | Well, i've a box hooked to my desktop via an ethernet crossover cable, and everything seems to be working fine. The boxes can ping eachother, ssh into eachother, etc... But, when i set up a proxy on the box connected to the internet, i get 'no route to host'... i don't understand |
| 06:56.21 | pheo | ! |
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| 06:57.16 | pheo | lemme rephrase... 'when i telnet into the box connected to the net, or netcat to it, i get "no route to host"' |
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| 07:02.57 | oblu | pheo: how is that second box connected to the internet ? directly, proxy ? |
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| 07:04.28 | AndrewBC | Hey, I'm looking to do some power-saving spinning down of a USB hard drive. Currently I'm looking at hdparm -B to do this, but it doesn't seem to be for USB devices. |
| 07:05.00 | AndrewBC | hdparm reads the drive okay, and tests it okay, but is there a different tool suited for USB devices? |
| 07:05.29 | AndrewBC | (I haven't tried the command yet, I'm fairly certain it will work.) |
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| 07:06.43 | AndrewBC | oooh, found this: http://wiki.debian.org/USBDrive |
| 07:06.49 | AndrewBC | dives in |
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| 07:08.54 | Arafangion | has installed adblock... And is amazed at how much better everything is. Wonders why a fricking *image* should take up 99% of his CPU, and is glad to see his computer actually responsive again |
| 07:09.09 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 07:10.01 | Arafangion | Are advertisment agencies always this incompetent? |
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| 07:10.50 | Arafangion | (Ok, rant's over - and yes, that was a rhetorical question) |
| 07:11.00 | Arafangion | Everyone, carry on as usual. |
| 07:12.34 | nsadmin | judd versions adblock |
| 07:12.35 | judd | nsadmin: adblock -- |
| 07:12.54 | nsadmin | allllll rightey thennnn |
| 07:13.02 | Arafangion | What? |
| 07:13.11 | AndrewBC | I'll just enable maximum power saving on it, watch it, and hope it wakes back up when necessary |
| 07:13.40 | nsadmin | there is no package "adblock" (according to the database in judd) |
| 07:14.06 | Arafangion | well, it's a mozilla extension. |
| 07:14.55 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 07:15.11 | nsadmin | how did you get/install it? |
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| 07:17.39 | Arafangion | nsadmin: First google result for 'adblock', and then click on "older version", and find a version that works with that in Debian, and then click "Add to Firefox" |
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| 07:24.36 | nsadmin | Arafangion thanks... if I'm not running as root, that means it puts it in my home dir somewhere? |
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| 07:25.09 | AndrewBC | Hm, okay, after reading a bit, I found out that I'll have to use sdparm since it's a /dev/sda1 |
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| 07:26.07 | nsadmin | originally/anciently... hd meant ide/ata while sd meant scsi |
| 07:27.05 | AndrewBC | I'm not sure what the disk actually is, maybe I should check that |
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| 07:27.39 | nsadmin | AndrewBC: if it's storebought machine, it's likely ata and uses scsi subsystem |
| 07:27.59 | nsadmin | but not scsi hardware driver |
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| 07:28.24 | AndrewBC | yeah it's ata |
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| 07:28.48 | AndrewBC | sdparm doesn't return any settings even when using sdparm -a |
| 07:29.14 | nsadmin | very rare these days for a nonserver mobo to have builtin/onboard scsi interface |
| 07:29.30 | AndrewBC | Oh, it's an external usb harddrive |
| 07:29.55 | nsadmin | ahh, yeah, usb in late kernels use sd* |
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| 07:30.09 | neoice | is there an official way to automate 'aptitude update' ? |
| 07:30.33 | nsadmin | neoice: you sure you want to automate that? |
| 07:30.40 | neoice | update, not upgrade. |
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| 07:30.50 | nsadmin | question still stands |
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| 07:31.06 | nsadmin | but, try a cron job |
| 07:31.23 | neoice | well, I'd like to have nrpe accurately reporting with check_apt |
| 07:31.46 | neoice | (if I run it with the -u flag, it errors out and the only page I can find is in German) |
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| 07:33.08 | neoice | the german page mentioned /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic, which I've never seen before |
| 07:33.25 | nsadmin | that file exist? |
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| 07:33.57 | neoice | nope. looks like it may on Ubuntu |
| 07:35.13 | nsadmin | probably apt.conf.d/ has text files that are the same format |
| 07:35.33 | nsadmin | if they're not executables that is |
| 07:35.53 | nsadmin | ask someone on #ubuntu for theirs and get ideas from it |
| 07:36.49 | nsadmin | (just remember tho, ubuntu wanted nothing to do with debian's stability as evidenced by their choice of distro development... word to wise.) |
| 07:36.51 | peterrooney | neoice: cron-apt |
| 07:37.12 | neoice | haha, hence why I dont use Ubuntu. |
| 07:37.14 | pheo | thanx bai |
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| 07:37.21 | neoice | every time, it's exploded on my face for no reason. at all. |
| 07:37.55 | nsadmin | damn, apt-get install proactive clearisil |
| 07:38.06 | peterrooney | neoice: have you run dpkg-reconfigure debconf yet? |
| 07:38.25 | neoice | peterrooney: no, why? |
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| 07:39.27 | peterrooney | neoice: not sure how new you are to debian; dpkg-reconfigure debconf will allow you to see more or less questions when packages are installed (or reconfigured) |
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| 07:40.34 | neoice | this is all rising out of an issue with nagios nrpe. when run from the server, check_apt says "errors found, warnings found. run with -v" but when run on the client (with or without -v), it runs fine. |
| 07:41.39 | neoice | I can disable the -u option on check_apt, but then it only checks the current package cache, instead of actually updating. to me, this seems to make check_apt entirely useless. |
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| 07:43.26 | peterrooney | neoice: if you run cron-apt to update only, it may work correctly - though nagios may need another plugin to monitor cron-apt! |
| 07:43.46 | neoice | lol. I think I may have inadvertantly found a solution. |
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| 07:44.26 | nsadmin | one solution is to update when you want to install/upgrade |
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| 07:57.06 | Arafangion | How do I use ntop? |
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| 07:57.17 | Arafangion | arafangion@therock:~$ sudo invoke-rc.d ntop start |
| 07:57.18 | Arafangion | Starting network top daemon: eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
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| 07:57.49 | simonrvn | /sbin/ifconfig; do you see it? |
| 07:58.07 | Arafangion | simonrvn: No, I don't see eth0... I see eth2, which I don't use, and eth3, which I do use. |
| 07:58.15 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I really only care about eth3. |
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| 07:59.34 | simonrvn | rly ;p |
| 07:59.50 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 07:59.57 | simonrvn | so configure it properly ;p |
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| 08:00.03 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure ntop |
| 08:00.28 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I wonder why that didn't come up when I installed it. |
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| 08:09.26 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:09.26 | dpkg | <sprax> justin, Wyzard I found it, it's called phpproxy, but it's not a proxy server. |
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| 08:23.19 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: check what '/msg dpkg 70' mentions - i find ls /sys/class/net is easier than ifconfig to list ifaces |
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| 08:25.46 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: Hey - what was wrong with your old nick? I don't have a problem with using ifconfig, the issue I had was ntop itself, but that's all resolved now, thanks. By the way... which xeon do you use? |
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| 08:25.58 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: your ethX is determined at installation time, and any linux-image upgrade and that info is rolled into your initrd |
| 08:26.53 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: I'm actually not surprised about any of this, only that ntop seemed to have the configuration defaulted to eth0, rather than "the first connected one it finds" |
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| 08:27.26 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: a) nothing wrong, just other system(s) b) it's an old p4 Dual CPU (1.7G * 2) dell precision |
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| 08:27.35 | Arrowmaster | why dont you have an eth0? |
| 08:27.52 | Arafangion | Arrowmaster: Because the hardware that eth0 refers to does not exist anymore. |
| 08:28.03 | Arrowmaster | so fix your udev rules |
| 08:28.15 | Arafangion | Arrowmaster: Why? There's nothing broken. |
| 08:28.56 | jelly-hme | kinda likes having just eth4 and eth5 |
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| 08:29.16 | liable | yeah, but you're odd! |
| 08:29.59 | xeon-enouf | hrm .. /me wonders if ntop (should) starts in runlevel1 or S, rather than 2, hrm.. |
| 08:29.59 | Arafangion | I'm between those two extremes... I'm happy with just having eth2 and eth3. |
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| 08:30.30 | JyZyXEL | eth0, eth2, eth4, eth8 |
| 08:31.38 | xeon-enouf | this debootstrap install at first gave me a eth1394 eth0, the needed NIC was assigned eth1, which ofcourse then broke any subsequent apt-get |
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| 08:32.19 | xeon-enouf | so i killed eth0 (silly firewire), blacklisted that module, fixed udev 70 rules, and we're in business ;-) |
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| 08:48.15 | cga | hi all, yesterday i've upgraded testing and now my X won't start. if i grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log it shows some complaining about the ABI not matching the actual version of X. is there anything i can do to fix it? |
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| 08:49.00 | cast | pastebin the error? |
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| 08:50.12 | gnu-dio | I'm trying to find the vmlinuz and initrd needed to boot a debian install iso from hdd. I know there was such a thing but I can't find it. If I can't, I'll be forced to install Ubuntu on this laptop because I can find their versions of said files.... I'd really rather not.... Can anyone point me to the files for lenny? |
| 08:50.27 | morpheuss | where can i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: for lenny ? |
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| 08:50.40 | liable | !hdmedia |
| 08:50.46 | liable | phooey |
| 08:51.09 | liable | not that hard to find.. |
| 08:51.24 | gnu-dio | I've been googling for it for an hour. I gave up |
| 08:51.34 | gnu-dio | This is a last chance |
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| 08:51.48 | gnu-dio | I keep finding refrences to them, but not the actual files |
| 08:52.05 | liable | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 08:52.14 | cga | cast, http://pastebin.com/f42b976bf |
| 08:52.21 | liable | two links from the debian.org index page |
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| 08:52.36 | gnu-dio | liable: bow, well, I guess I just suck |
| 08:52.45 | gnu-dio | I started there, but failed to find them |
| 08:52.56 | morpheuss | liable, where can i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: for lenny ? |
| 08:52.59 | liable | gnu-dio: not sure why you would google it, rather than going to debian.org |
| 08:53.17 | liable | morpheuss: no |
| 08:53.22 | liable | i dont know |
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| 08:53.35 | morpheuss | ok |
| 08:53.52 | gnu-dio | liable: I started with debian.org. failed, so I went to google |
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| 08:54.13 | liable | gnu-dio: ok, well there they are anyway, have a read of the install manual |
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| 08:54.53 | gnu-dio | I've done it before on both Ubuntu and debian, I think I'll be all right. If I fail, I'll read the manual again ;) |
| 08:55.40 | cast | cga: does installing xserver-xorg-video-all help? |
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| 08:56.16 | cga | cast, trying thanks |
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| 08:57.15 | cga | cast, already installed. |
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| 09:08.23 | kripz | im using dd to clone a hdd, this will copy bad sectors across, correct? |
| 09:08.32 | chronomex | no, it won't |
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| 09:08.43 | chronomex | you need to use conv=noerror if I recall correctly |
| 09:08.52 | kripz | sorry, forgot to mention that im using that |
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| 09:09.15 | chronomex | ah, that should work then |
| 09:09.18 | chronomex | actually |
| 09:09.20 | chronomex | I don't know |
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| 09:09.30 | kripz | have a feeling it might just skip and zero it |
| 09:09.37 | cga | cast, solved. thanks. |
| 09:09.39 | cga | by all |
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| 09:09.45 | chronomex | kripz: no, iirc it breaks things |
| 09:10.05 | chronomex | usefully, when I was using it to rip floppies, it would not even pad the output properly |
| 09:10.11 | chronomex | so I ended up with broken disk images |
| 09:10.33 | gnu-dio | liable: thanks again, it booted first try once I had those files. thanks for finding them for me (and proving how much I failed to find what was in plain sight) |
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| 09:12.14 | larsl | Where can I see the progress of the packaging of kernel 2.6.31 for unstable/testing? |
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| 09:12.46 | xeon-enouf | larsl: debian-kernel mailing list and channel |
| 09:14.02 | larsl | xeon-enouf: Thanks. |
| 09:15.24 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, , where can i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: for lenny? |
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| 09:15.37 | xeon-enouf | kripz: try gddrescue |
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| 09:16.16 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: /msg dpkg bpo ? (why do you think this file exists anywhere?) |
| 09:16.41 | morpheuss | unable to start vncconfig |
| 09:16.46 | valdyn | morpheuss: debian does not ship files named like that |
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| 09:17.20 | morpheuss | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1485 |
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| 09:17.43 | xeon-enouf | try apt-file search libstdc++ |
| 09:18.09 | xeon-enouf | !tell morpheuss -about apt-file |
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| 09:18.25 | morpheuss | trying it Xenguy |
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| 09:18.36 | morpheuss | trying it xeon-enouf |
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| 09:19.47 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: 2005? debian 3.0? |
| 09:20.07 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: try finding a 2.4 kernel :-p |
| 09:20.38 | morpheuss | <valdyn> morpheuss: debian does not ship files named like that :P |
| 09:20.45 | morpheuss | mine is lenny |
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| 09:22.04 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: pastebin entire output of command you ran (vncconfig ?) and cat /proc/version output, and apt-cache policy |
| 09:22.29 | morpheuss | ok |
| 09:23.13 | valdyn | im sure theres nx / freenx packages for debian that are not *that* old |
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| 09:25.31 | stanley | I'm haivng issues getting a development server running...: http://pastebin.com/d7c45ef59 |
| 09:26.50 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, http://www.pastie.org/632244 |
| 09:26.51 | azeem | stanley: did you consider addressing the message "Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/public_html/domain1.com/public] does not exist" |
| 09:26.52 | dserban_ | ok back to my permissions hell, or otherwise known as "I don't know what I'm doing wrong". I have /srv/media set to drwxrwsr-x owned by root:media group. While in /srv/media as myself I cannot create a file, and I belong to the media group. I get a permission denied, why? |
| 09:27.34 | stanley | azeem: I'm new, I've always just worked on pre-setup servers and I'm also newish to linux. That path does exist though |
| 09:27.51 | stanley | and inside of it is my index.html test file |
| 09:29.18 | valdyn | stanley: use cut & paste and run: "ls -ld /home/public_html/domain1.com/public" |
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| 09:30.50 | stanley | brad@brad-laptop:/etc/apache2/sites-available$ ls -ld /home/public_html/domain1.com/public |
| 09:30.50 | stanley | ls: cannot access /home/public_html/domain1.com/public: No such file or directory |
| 09:30.53 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: You have searched for paths that end with vncconfig in suite lenny, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 09:30.54 | stanley | well thats no good...! |
| 09:31.01 | azeem | stanley: so it does not exist |
| 09:31.13 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 09:31.25 | stanley | i see whats missing.. |
| 09:31.36 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: so .. now you can tell us where you got that from |
| 09:32.13 | azeem | I am not sure /home/public_html/domain1.com is a great place for a vserver anyway |
| 09:32.22 | azeem | consider using something under /srv maybe |
| 09:32.54 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, tightvncserver server gives the same error |
| 09:33.12 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: that's not what i asked you |
| 09:33.23 | valdyn | dserban_: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to the media group? |
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| 09:33.40 | dserban_ | hmm not outta gnome, but out of my terminal yep. |
| 09:33.44 | stanley | I fixed that error, but now i'm getting: brad@brad-laptop:/etc/apache2/sites-available$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 09:33.44 | stanley | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.44 | stanley | [Sun Sep 27 02:33:06 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 09:33.45 | stanley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.56 | stanley | whoops. |
| 09:33.57 | valdyn | dserban_: quitting a terminal is not logging out |
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| 09:34.25 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, i downloaded it from tiger vnc page |
| 09:34.39 | dserban_ | valdyn, no it's not. But a terminal is a login shell isn't it?... ie: things get re-read. |
| 09:34.49 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: then ask them please |
| 09:35.03 | dserban_ | ok loggin' out.. brb |
| 09:35.17 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, thanks |
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| 09:35.54 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: or consider apt-get update && apt-cache search vnc |
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| 09:36.24 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: or as mentioned (search for freenx, nomachine) |
| 09:36.32 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, will do |
| 09:37.04 | morpheuss | ok |
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| 09:46.52 | dserban_ | valdyn, thanks, that worked. |
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| 09:47.14 | dserban_ | Now, I've defined the following in fstab, and the client system isn't mounting the nfs share automatically |
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| 09:47.31 | dserban_ | err hold on to that thought... pressed enter before I was ready. :P |
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| 09:50.18 | nsadmin | so you were ready after you pressed enter? :) |
| 09:50.27 | dserban_ | ok nevermind... I got it :P |
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| 09:51.00 | dserban_ | nsadmin, heh well I'm back to my nfs woes... and can't figure it out. |
| 09:51.20 | dserban_ | the nfs mount ended up being that the client attempted to mount, but the server wasn't ready |
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| 09:51.55 | Nandito_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.55 | Nandito_ | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 09:51.58 | Nandito_ | Debian:/home/hans# |
| 09:52.01 | Nandito_ | help me pleace |
| 09:52.25 | Nandito_ | intel and amd64 |
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| 09:52.36 | cahoot | Nandito_: relax it's just info |
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| 09:53.54 | Nandito_ | cahoot: no audio :( |
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| 09:54.07 | cahoot | Nandito_: unrelated to the msgs |
| 09:54.17 | Nandito_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.40 | cahoot | Nandito_: test sound with: speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 09:55.12 | nsadmin | dserban_: some time ago (but never ended up finding out), I wondered what it meant for an nfs export to be ready, in terms of portmapper and rpc |
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| 09:55.56 | morpheuss | xeon-enouf, manually installing the package solved the problem dpkg -i libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-27_i386.deb |
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| 09:56.23 | han_ | is it possible to copy a chroot? |
| 09:56.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | use cp -a ? |
| 09:56.40 | g00se | Bit surprised at ssh: i've usually had my hostname in /etc/hosts as a private IP. If i remove that entry and ssh to it, it seems to want to do password auth, despite the fact i disallow this. It asks for my password and then actually doesn't work when i give it. What's up? |
| 09:56.47 | Nandito_ | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/m2c09df7a |
| 09:56.53 | nsadmin | han_: as long as you can read it |
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| 09:57.15 | han_ | what do you mean? |
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| 09:57.25 | cahoot | Nandito_: same if you try as root? |
| 09:57.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | g00se: perhaps run with -vv and compare the output |
| 09:57.43 | nsadmin | every word I said :) |
| 09:58.02 | g00se | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks - yes i'll try that |
| 09:58.07 | cast | g00se: while its asking for a password, it's not accepting passwords, much like how when you ssh in as root with root disabled it still asks for a pass |
| 09:58.32 | nsadmin | you're going to have to show more what you're thinking and ask a more specific question |
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| 09:59.03 | han_ | i want to use a chroot copy to make some further changes. the old one a want to keep as a still working copy |
| 09:59.25 | nsadmin | so, can you read the chroot? |
| 09:59.45 | nsadmin | and, can you write to the place you want to copy it to? |
| 09:59.48 | han_ | read and write, yes |
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| 10:00.07 | nsadmin | then the answer to your original question is: |
| 10:00.10 | nsadmin | yes. |
| 10:00.14 | simonrvn | !grounding |
| 10:00.14 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 10:00.16 | han_ | thanks |
| 10:00.54 | xeon-enouf | morpheuss: old stuff eh? (wonder where you got that from) |
| 10:01.27 | Nandito_ | cahoot: iden root |
| 10:01.47 | cahoot | again? |
| 10:02.35 | Nandito_ | yes |
| 10:02.56 | cahoot | what did you mean by: iden root? |
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| 10:03.27 | xeon-enouf | g00se: try ssh -vvv, you'll notice authentication methods it's attempting |
| 10:04.10 | Nandito_ | the same error as root cahoot |
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| 10:04.34 | cahoot | Nandito_: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:05.03 | Nandito_ | hans@Debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:05.03 | Nandito_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.03 | Nandito_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.35 | cahoot | Nandito_: and fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 10:06.23 | g00se | http://pastebin.com/f53310b91 and http://pastebin.com/f475e9883 show pass (domain name) and key (IP address) respectively |
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| 10:07.38 | Nandito_ | hans@Debian:~$ fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 10:07.38 | Nandito_ | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: hans 10683 F...m epiphany-browse |
| 10:07.38 | Nandito_ | hans@Debian:~$ |
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| 10:08.30 | nsadmin | consider collecting info to show people on a web page |
| 10:08.37 | cahoot | Nandito_: you don't happen to have a ~/.asoundrc? |
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| 10:09.36 | g00se | What do you think's happening there guys? |
| 10:11.07 | nsadmin | g00se: could the ssh server be having difficulty accessing the passwd file? |
| 10:11.12 | Nandito_ | cahoot: sorry I do not understand Spanish very well and I am translating into google, please tell me what to do |
| 10:11.43 | g00se | nsadmin: Well it shouldn't be even trying to actually |
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| 10:11.50 | cahoot | Nandito_: ls -l ~/.asoundrc* - returns empty? |
| 10:12.25 | Nandito_ | hans@Debian:~$ ls -l ~/.asoundrc* |
| 10:12.25 | Nandito_ | ls: no se puede acceder a /home/hans/.asoundrc*: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 10:12.27 | nsadmin | permission denied could mean "attempt to execute non-executable" |
| 10:12.28 | robokop | i have problems with bash and filename tab completion: when there is a space in the name already typed, tab completion doesn't work |
| 10:12.29 | Nandito_ | no exit |
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| 10:12.53 | cahoot | Nandito_: ok pkill epiphany and try speaker-test again |
| 10:13.17 | simonrvn | you could do LANG=C ls -l for instance... |
| 10:13.17 | setog3 | for the linux kernel-image provided by debian, do you know how it is compiled (what is the .config), all module are enable ? |
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| 10:13.33 | simonrvn | or LC_ALL |
| 10:13.40 | cahoot | setog3: the config probalby is in /boot |
| 10:14.13 | nsadmin | setog3: do you have the kernel you want installed? does your uname -r name its version? |
| 10:14.27 | nsadmin | if so... see above :) |
| 10:15.13 | Nandito_ | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/m582fbd71 |
| 10:15.22 | setog3 | nsadmin: no I havent, but I need to make a deb package for a custom kernel, and in first try it seems that I missed some module (the kernel does'nt boot on some computers), so I am going to build it with all modules but don't know if it's the good solution |
| 10:15.50 | cahoot | Nandito_: looks good - silence thogh? |
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| 10:16.05 | Nandito_ | no |
| 10:16.31 | cahoot | Nandito_: so both looks and sounds good? |
| 10:16.48 | nsadmin | setog3: is the version you want already debianized? |
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| 10:17.04 | nsadmin | you could get its source and rebuild |
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| 10:17.45 | setog3 | nsadmin: maybee it's a 2.6.19.2 with some patch |
| 10:17.59 | nsadmin | what arch? |
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| 10:18.24 | setog3 | i386 |
| 10:18.37 | nsadmin | and what kernel arch? |
| 10:19.19 | nsadmin | also how did you build it? |
| 10:19.22 | Nandito_ | cahoot: http://img38.imageshack.us/i/pantallazofm.png/ |
| 10:19.22 | liable | setog3: are you sure thats had all the security holes fixed? |
| 10:20.07 | chellomere | setog3, what's the reason you need a custom kernel? |
| 10:20.23 | cahoot | Nandito_: yes? |
| 10:20.23 | setog3 | nsadmin: with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers on a debian amd64 r a debian i386 |
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| 10:20.30 | myeggo | hello |
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| 10:20.34 | setog3 | (in a chroot i386 in fact) |
| 10:20.42 | myeggo | i have the port 25 opened, but i dont know how to close it |
| 10:20.50 | myeggo | there is no any smtp server launched |
| 10:20.53 | Nandito_ | chellomere: |
| 10:20.54 | Nandito_ | but I hear nothing |
| 10:20.58 | Arafangion | Close the program that's using it. |
| 10:21.12 | Arafangion | netstat helps with identifying it. |
| 10:21.28 | chellomere | !tell Nandito_ about alsa checklist |
| 10:21.28 | nsadmin | setog3: so will the chroot run i386 kernel? or amd64? |
| 10:21.36 | setog3 | liable: and chellomere : no the kernel has some security holes, and I need it for a student purpose (I worked on a patch for this kernel, and we doesnt move it to new kernel branch yet) |
| 10:21.42 | nsadmin | are you xening? |
| 10:21.42 | setog3 | nsadmin: i386 |
| 10:21.45 | cahoot | Nandito_: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 and try speaker-test again |
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| 10:21.56 | nsadmin | wow, that's going to be slowww |
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| 10:22.26 | petemc | myeggo: how do you know its open? |
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| 10:22.53 | myeggo | petemc: because i need create a little software that uses the port 25, and when i create the socket it says is already used |
| 10:23.10 | petemc | myeggo: lsof -i :25 |
| 10:23.14 | robokop | i have problems with bash and filename tab completion: when there is a space in the name already typed, tab completion doesn't work |
| 10:23.22 | Dassu | Just wondering how does debian live USB work ? Is it possible to install new software on it that remains or does it create another ramdisk for that stuff ? |
| 10:23.45 | myeggo | returns nothing petemc |
| 10:24.04 | Nandito_ | Debian:/home/hans# /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 10:24.04 | Nandito_ | Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils {start [CARD]|stop [CARD]|restart [CARD]|reset [CARD]} |
| 10:24.13 | petemc | that indicated nothing is listening on it |
| 10:24.14 | Arafangion | Dassu: If it is possible, then it would effectively be using RAM for storage. |
| 10:24.21 | Nandito_ | start or the stop? |
| 10:24.24 | cahoot | Nandito_: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:24.37 | Nandito_ | ok |
| 10:24.43 | setog3 | nsadmin: hmm, debian package doesn't seem to have this kernel in history |
| 10:24.56 | Nandito_ | Debian:/home/hans# /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:24.57 | Nandito_ | Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 10:24.57 | Nandito_ | Debian:/home/hans# |
| 10:25.08 | cahoot | Nandito_: try speaker-test again |
| 10:25.16 | chellomere | setog3, right, I don't think debian ever had 2.6.19 |
| 10:25.28 | Dassu | Arafangion: so you're saying that all the software is installed on Ramdisk not the actual USB pendrive ? |
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| 10:26.34 | Arafangion | Dassu: Not sure about pendrives... But it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 10:26.38 | g00se | Dassu: Persistence is supported. Look at that section in the manual, which i recently edited |
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| 10:26.46 | Nandito_ | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/m511dd4bd |
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| 10:27.42 | cahoot | Nandito_: that implies alsa thinks all is as should be |
| 10:27.42 | setog3 | nsadmin: why slow ? |
| 10:28.20 | Rahim | anybody help me in changing the usplash theme |
| 10:28.22 | Nandito_ | ;( |
| 10:28.23 | g00se | Dassu: In short, a labeled partition on the stick is what you want |
| 10:28.30 | Rahim | what is the process |
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| 10:29.27 | nsadmin | setog3: you mean you're compiling the kernel for an i386? |
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| 10:30.16 | nsadmin | specifically in "Processor Type and Features"? |
| 10:30.16 | g00se | Rahim: Not exactly sure what you mean, but i changed my splash by editing /usr/share/images/desktop-base/moreblue-orbit-splash.png |
| 10:30.55 | Rahim | g00se: thanks, i want to change the boot splash |
| 10:30.55 | Nandito_ | cahoot: http://img297.imageshack.us/i/pantallazo1nf.png/ |
| 10:31.04 | setog3 | nsadmin: an i386 compatible computer (with ARCH=i386 but not a real 386 computer) (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 10:32.04 | cahoot | Nandito_: looks fine to me - see if mutin headphone does any good |
| 10:33.36 | Rahim | g00se: I have various usplash themes in /usr/lib/usplash/ but dont know how to use them |
| 10:34.00 | robokop | i have problems with bash and filename tab completion: when there is a space in the name already typed, tab completion doesn't work, could sb help me |
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| 10:38.30 | localoca | i am trying to start a pygtk application (gwibber) and it crashes on startup with a "unicodeencodeerror". what can i do? |
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| 10:38.42 | g00se | Rahim: Can't help you there - that's probably KDE/Gnome is it not? |
| 10:39.02 | jelly-hme | robokop: have you opened a quote at the start of a name? ls -l "this is a filen<TAB> |
| 10:39.29 | robokop | jelly-hme: no |
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| 10:39.45 | robokop | i\ escaped\ the\ spaces |
| 10:40.00 | nsadmin | g00se: see if you can find out exactly where the "permission denied" message came from and what it means to that section of code |
| 10:40.20 | nsadmin | it might be enough to look at the log |
| 10:40.31 | jelly-hme | robokop: that ought to work as well, but I'm not a bash user to confirm the issue |
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| 10:41.02 | robokop | jelly-hme: that worked before, but now it doesn't anymore |
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| 10:42.59 | robokop | !fi |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | fi is, like, Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
| 10:43.14 | robokop | sorry wrong chat |
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| 10:46.24 | nsadmin | or it could mean fydelity! |
| 10:46.26 | xeon-enouf | robokop: see BTS about blank space and tab-completion |
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| 10:55.11 | debnoob | hey guys,, on a desktop i resently installed i want to use acpi syspend to mem |
| 10:55.22 | debnoob | it suspended alright but couldnt get up |
| 10:55.35 | debnoob | screen was black and usb off |
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| 10:56.11 | debnoob | so couldnt use usb keyboard to resume,, and when i used pwr btn screen was blank ,,how dio i debug this ? |
| 10:56.13 | xeon-enouf | g00se: uspalsh/bootsplash is for when booting, at bootup, way before any DE, or even /sbin/init starts, Usually rolled up into ones initrd, IINM |
| 10:56.17 | lvh | hi |
| 10:56.22 | debnoob | i see no pm-resume.log ? |
| 10:56.25 | lvh | how can i figure out which installation images support ext4? |
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| 10:56.46 | lvh | I remember installing an amd64 box a while back, but that was an iso, this box does not have a CD rom, so I need to install from usb stick |
| 10:57.14 | xeon-enouf | lvh: /msg dpkg ext4 (for starters) |
| 10:57.25 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Yeah, did that. |
| 10:57.28 | xeon-enouf | lvh: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 10:57.32 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Saw the wiki page |
| 10:57.48 | lvh | xeon-enouf: But it seems mostly interested in switching to ext4 once you've installed |
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| 10:57.55 | robokop | xeon-enouf: idd bug #548545 is what i meant |
| 10:57.56 | xeon-enouf | lvh: definitely not lenny - you'd want the squeeze dailies |
| 10:58.13 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Yep. zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb # Boot error when booting :( |
| 10:58.32 | lvh | xeon-enouf: These, right? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:58.34 | xeon-enouf | what error? |
| 10:58.40 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 10:58.41 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Just "Boot error" |
| 10:58.54 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Kernel doesn't load, initrd, none of that |
| 10:58.54 | xeon-enouf | well, fix your BIOS or usb stick ;-) |
| 10:59.10 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Yep, that's what I'm trying to do with not that much success up until now :-p |
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| 10:59.39 | lvh | xeon-enouf: I don't know if you know 'unetbootin' -- it's a tool for producing installation usb images for a variety of distros |
| 10:59.53 | flower | mmh strange, etc/apt/apt.conf default release testing doesn't seems to work anymore today |
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| 11:00.18 | flower | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 11:00.23 | lvh | xeon-enouf: if I get it to produce a testing image (it just uses the installer's initrd and the kernel), works but not ext4 support |
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| 11:00.59 | flower | :/ |
| 11:01.16 | xeon-enouf | robokop: try that with either a 'cd' or 'ls' prepended |
| 11:01.25 | Emery | say i used apt-get to install xorg-server ... then downloaded the newest xorg-server from thr site and compiled it myself .. is that viable .. or would i have to remove the previous version |
| 11:01.44 | robokop | xeon-enouf: still the same problem |
| 11:02.25 | xeon-enouf | lvh: i know nothing about unetbootin, and i don't think debian has that in their repos, if it's any good ask the dev to maybe contribute/offer it as a .deb, or whatever |
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| 11:02.51 | lvh | xeon-enouf: It's in the repos, but not stable, I think |
| 11:03.14 | xeon-enouf | lvh: ext4 isn't ready till atleast like .28 or so, also, grub1 doesn't like it, so you'd want grub2 |
| 11:03.34 | xeon-enouf | robokop: ok - recently filed i see |
| 11:03.47 | lvh | xeon-enouf: yeah, expert install will let me pick grub-pc though |
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| 11:03.57 | xeon-enouf | unetbootin - installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive |
| 11:04.00 | lvh | xeon-enouf: but I use separate boot partitions anyway |
| 11:04.01 | xeon-enouf | ahh, so it is |
| 11:04.08 | tristan_sbs | That's a useful tool. |
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| 11:04.27 | xeon-enouf | lvh: grub-pc == grub2 |
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| 11:05.13 | lvh | xeon-enouf: Yeah :-) |
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| 11:05.25 | lvh | tristan_sbs: unfortunately I can't get it to work reliably for debian isos |
| 11:05.37 | lvh | tristan_sbs: if you let it produce its own installation images it works fine |
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| 11:08.01 | Morten_ | Hi I just installed debian on a lenovo t400 - but I can't get the screen brightness control to work. Can anyone help me out? - I have searched for a solution, but haven't been able to find one. |
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| 11:10.18 | lvh | xeon-enouf: would using a livecd and using debootstrap work? |
| 11:10.36 | cahoot | Morten_: nothing applicable on thinkwiki.org? |
| 11:10.37 | lvh | xeon-enouf: I'm considering trying an ubuntu livecd (well, liveusb) -- that'd be a more useful stick anyway |
| 11:11.18 | debnoob | Morten_: tried thinkwiki ? |
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| 11:11.49 | debnoob | they prolly made it sw controlled those cheap bastards |
| 11:12.04 | xeon-enouf | lvh: there's #debian-live you know |
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| 11:12.21 | Morten_ | Trying that page again. :) |
| 11:12.23 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: any debian place for acpi questions |
| 11:12.33 | xeon-enouf | lvh: but i've done a debootstrap install over ssh (on my LAN) |
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| 11:12.57 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: not sure - here ...etc |
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| 11:13.27 | lvh | xeon-enouf: yeaaah, but I only have one *nix box atm and I spent some time getting netboot to work yesterday |
| 11:13.31 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: acpi -V shows? also try some docs in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
| 11:14.02 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: ahhh i think im missing acpitools just a sec |
| 11:14.18 | lvh | xeon-enouf: dhcpd worked, pxe got a bootloader, but tftpd didn't want to upload anything (and /var/log/syslog was amazingly quiet despite -v flag added in /etc/inetd.conf) |
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| 11:14.26 | xeon-enouf | Morten_: there's a ##ibmthinkpad channel FWIW |
| 11:15.23 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: more specific i run 64bit lenny stable on a dekstop asus board with low nvidia |
| 11:15.33 | debnoob | problem is that i can suspend fine |
| 11:15.41 | debnoob | but it cuts of usb power |
| 11:15.51 | Morten_ | xeon-enouf, ahh cool. Thanks! :) |
| 11:15.53 | debnoob | also on resume , screen doesnt go back on |
| 11:16.16 | xeon-enouf | check /etc/acpi*/* ? |
| 11:16.28 | debnoob | less /etc/acpi/ |
| 11:16.29 | xeon-enouf | do you have a resume= boot param? |
| 11:16.32 | debnoob | ?? |
| 11:16.38 | debnoob | nope i dont |
| 11:16.39 | xeon-enouf | ls -l |
| 11:16.43 | debnoob | not that i know off |
| 11:16.47 | debnoob | should i ? |
| 11:16.52 | xeon-enouf | no idea |
| 11:16.56 | xeon-enouf | i don't do PM |
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| 11:17.31 | xeon-enouf | there are quite a few PM implementations for suspend/hibernate/sleep |
| 11:17.31 | debnoob | heheh |
| 11:17.39 | debnoob | yea |
| 11:17.42 | Morten_ | xeon-enouf, I have the thinkpad-brightness-down.sh and *-up.sh there |
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| 11:17.49 | debnoob | i just want the simple one,, suspend-to-mem |
| 11:17.59 | xeon-enouf | s2ram, IIRC |
| 11:18.06 | xeon-enouf | !s2ram |
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| 11:18.28 | xeon-enouf | Morten_: in /etc/acpi? |
| 11:18.35 | Morten_ | xeon-enouf, yeah |
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| 11:19.15 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: check if you want/need acpi-* scripts or something - might also have an X + hal issue? |
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| 11:20.14 | xeon-enouf | $ apt-cache search ^acpi |
| 11:21.17 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: if using a DE, perhaps it has it's own userspace way to 'sleep' |
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| 11:22.16 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: lots of times, it was <some-module> getting in the way of proper suspend/resume |
| 11:22.33 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: yea i can try sleeping the good old /sys/power/state way |
| 11:22.40 | unicoder | is there a standard somewhere that says that the "nobody" user must exist? |
| 11:22.41 | debnoob | i dont trust gnome much anyway |
| 11:22.45 | unicoder | or is it just a debian thing? |
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| 11:23.00 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: i dont trust my nvidia card either |
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| 11:23.30 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: ahh .. using proprietary nvidia? |
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| 11:23.39 | xeon-enouf | that'll do it :-P |
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| 11:23.43 | jony123 | in a bash script how would i times a varible by 2? |
| 11:23.55 | xeon-enouf | or make sure nvidiafb isn't getting in the way |
| 11:24.07 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: nonoono |
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| 11:24.19 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: im using a standard lenny 64bit |
| 11:24.23 | xeon-enouf | unicoder: cron uses it /msg dpkg groups |
| 11:24.28 | debnoob | one special thing i got is a raid1 |
| 11:24.32 | debnoob | only |
| 11:25.09 | xeon-enouf | unicoder: see /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 11:25.22 | debnoob | and i doubt its sw raid thats bugging me |
| 11:25.40 | debnoob | anyway,, im gonna try suspend via the /sys NS |
| 11:25.49 | debnoob | so itll prolly crash |
| 11:25.50 | xeon-enouf | i concur, raid (mdadm) shouldn't be an issue |
| 11:26.08 | debnoob | or at least i need hard reboot soon so brb |
| 11:26.15 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: grep nv_drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:27.12 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: i cant do sudo echo "mem" > /sys/power/state |
| 11:27.21 | debnoob | i seem to remeber that the way i used to do it |
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| 11:27.39 | debnoob | xeon-enouf: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so |
| 11:27.42 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: either sudo sh -c , or be root |
| 11:27.57 | debnoob | so what drivers are that |
| 11:27.59 | jony123 | connecting.sh: 6: let: not found |
| 11:28.01 | debnoob | the xorg ones ? |
| 11:28.07 | xeon-enouf | debnoob: yes |
| 11:28.11 | jony123 | ^ can someone tell me why? |
| 11:28.11 | debnoob | thought so |
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| 11:28.26 | debnoob | im trying power state again |
| 11:28.58 | nsadmin | be root? or re boot? |
| 11:29.06 | xeon-enouf | beet root |
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| 11:32.40 | trochala | Can I find in which partition grub is installed? |
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| 11:36.07 | DanT | Hi. Is Round Robin DNS the same as bind? |
| 11:36.38 | cahoot | trochala: unless there's an intelligent method you could always dd the first bytes of each partition and pipe through strings |
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| 11:37.15 | DanT | How to I install Round Robin DNS on Debian 5.0? |
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| 11:38.42 | uski | hi; i tried to install flashplayer from a .deb provided by adobe, and it failed. Now I can't use apt-get for anything, it complains with "E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.". Is there a way to tell apt-get to just forget about that package and/or to remove that package and be done with it? |
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| 11:40.11 | rpaulson | using debian testing kde takes forever to start... anyone else experience this? |
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| 11:42.57 | rpaulson | even if I create a new user to log in with, it takes forever.. |
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| 11:47.43 | darsie | hi! I'd like to convert a remote system to utf8 via ssh. utf8migrationtool appearently only works with X. Should I install and start a remote X session (as root) or do something else? |
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| 11:48.52 | xeon-enouf | rpaulson: welcome to the world of bloat? :-p |
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| 11:49.11 | xeon-enouf | rpaulson: try with a new system user |
| 11:49.26 | rpaulson | xeon-enouf: yeah, that's what I did, I says I tried to create a new user |
| 11:49.29 | rpaulson | :) |
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| 11:50.09 | rpaulson | I'm also getting drm:i815_get_vblank_counter *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 on dmesg.. |
| 11:50.30 | rpaulson | don't know if that is related though |
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| 11:52.28 | lexr | I installed 32bit version of lenny, is there a way to convert it to 64bit without complete reinstall?? |
| 11:52.41 | lexr | I think I saw 64bit kernel in the repo... |
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| 11:53.15 | rpaulson | xeon-enouf: I'm also getting mtrr: no mtrr for d0000000,10000000 found |
| 11:53.51 | xeon-enouf | rpaulson: heh, i get that too |
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| 11:54.28 | xeon-enouf | rpaulson: (i thought you meant a new KDE user) |
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| 11:54.50 | rpaulson | xeon-enouf: oh, sorry, no I meant a user I create with adduser as root |
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| 11:55.25 | makmum | hello all, hel me please |
| 11:55.42 | AimHere | lexr> not easily. You'll need 64 bit apps and libraries too |
| 11:57.09 | lexr | darn it! |
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| 11:57.42 | lexr | oh well... I will stay 32bit... I forgot :) my camera wont work on 46bit systems :) gspca module wont display the picture :) |
| 11:57.44 | makmum | i want to compile and installing via chrome9 hc driver |
| 11:57.47 | lexr | *64 |
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| 12:03.11 | flower | hi, I've a kernel with a driver build as module: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) , but it doesn't work out of the box |
| 12:03.12 | muzy | hello everyone :) have you got any ideas howto shrnk the size of a minimum debian installation? |
| 12:03.18 | muzy | *shrink |
| 12:03.38 | muzy | i currently have about 600MB used after an installation without X |
| 12:03.44 | muzy | but i want less ;) |
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| 12:04.18 | patrikf | muzy: have a look at emdebian |
| 12:04.29 | muzy | patrikf, are there isos to download? |
| 12:04.31 | muzy | or so? |
| 12:04.38 | muzy | cause i haven't find such a thing |
| 12:04.55 | patrikf | idk |
| 12:06.06 | Kazuha | Which channel should I bug about an apparent bug which involves xorg and wine? |
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| 12:08.56 | TheFearow | Kazuha: Maybe #wine , if that exists |
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| 12:09.58 | Kazuha | Actually, that's #winehq. |
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| 12:10.26 | Kazuha | And, the problem is xorg dying, but it appears that its related to WINE running. |
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| 12:11.47 | Kazuha | As in, I try to switch to a tty, and (sometimes) wine, and xorg *both* suicide. |
| 12:11.59 | Kazuha | (Well, xorg does, which takes wine with it.) |
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| 12:13.50 | Kazuha | ... |
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| 12:13.53 | Kazuha | !ops |
| 12:13.54 | dpkg | [ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 12:14.08 | Kazuha | !ops spamming of unrelated urls. |
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| 12:14.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kazuha complains about: spamming of unrelated urls. |
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| 12:15.02 | g00se | xeon-enouf: Thanks for that. I wonder why i haven't got it then, on Lenny? |
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| 12:16.16 | xeon-enouf | muzy: kg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort | less and apt-get remove all that match 'standard' that you think you can live without (also find the other 4 or so priorities, and go through that list) Also, use localepurge, apt-get autoclean/autoremove (careful) |
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| 12:16.31 | xeon-enouf | muzy: er "dpkg-query ...." |
| 12:17.00 | muzy | well the matter is i don't need most of the common stuff ;) |
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| 12:17.07 | xeon-enouf | g00se: i forgot where we were :-( |
| 12:17.24 | xeon-enouf | muzy: seen something like grml.org small? |
| 12:17.38 | muzy | oh no i will have a look at it |
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| 12:18.10 | muzy | can i use apt and so on with grml? |
| 12:18.14 | xeon-enouf | well - it's a livecd, but based on debian, Better to have Debian - customized - but see the pkglist |
| 12:18.52 | muzy | can i install grml? |
| 12:19.02 | xeon-enouf | for really small, maybe look at emdebian - but again, it's not pure debian ;-) |
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| 12:19.25 | xeon-enouf | one can install anything they like, can't they? |
| 12:19.51 | muzy | well the embdebian thingy is weird |
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| 12:19.56 | muzy | i cannot find an iso |
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| 12:20.20 | sly007 | Hello, is it possible to install Skype in testing? |
| 12:20.24 | muzy | and i do not get the system - it seems to me that i have to install a normal debian and then run the debian stuff |
| 12:20.52 | xeon-enouf | !skype |
| 12:20.53 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 12:28.48 | rgr | do all those open source equivalents actually talk to what people use ie Skype? |
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| 12:31.38 | valdyn | rgr: nothing but skype talks to skype, and skype talks only to skype |
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| 12:32.12 | AimHere | There are apparently skype plugins for pidgin |
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| 12:32.27 | muzy | even the skype plugin requires an installed skype |
| 12:32.32 | valdyn | AimHere: those plugins need sype to work, kind pointless |
| 12:32.38 | AimHere | Indeed |
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| 12:45.25 | Kazuha | It seems that recompiling wine fixed my problem. So I'm guessing that it was making a call against the old version of xorg, and the new version didn't know how to handle it, so it became a signal 11. |
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| 12:47.10 | flower | hi, I've a kernel with a driver build as module: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) , but it doesn't work out of the box |
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| 12:47.24 | flower | should I do a modprobe command or something? |
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| 12:49.35 | xeon-enouf | flower: if lsmod doesn't show it, yeah modprobe it, or depmod -a then do it |
| 12:50.10 | flower | xeon-enouf: how do I know the exact name of the driver? |
| 12:50.19 | flower | modprobe what? |
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| 12:52.27 | cire | I am using pulseaudio, and want to have something similar to kmix. It should be placed in the lower right corner in kde (system tray?) |
| 12:52.38 | cire | Does anybody know such an application? |
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| 12:52.54 | cire | (I know pavucontrol, but that isn't placed in systray) |
| 12:53.14 | xsanch | hi |
| 12:53.18 | xsanch | have a problem |
| 12:53.34 | xsanch | my partition gets corrupted with ext3 filesystem |
| 12:53.37 | mesa_booger | cire: just use your desktop native mixer app. and er ... ditch pulse completely |
| 12:53.49 | xsanch | when I run fsck.ext3 -p device the fsck does just hang |
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| 12:54.03 | valdyn | cire: if you place pavucontrol to the right of the systray then it looks just like if it was in the systray |
| 12:54.04 | xsanch | with ps I can see that the fsck is in D+ state |
| 12:54.24 | cire | mesa_booger: hmm, I wanted to use pulseaudio because I thought it was better than just using plain alsa with arts... Just wanted to give it a try. |
| 12:54.33 | xsanch | there are also some i/o errors in messages |
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| 12:54.48 | cire | is pulseaudio deprecated? |
| 12:55.06 | xsanch | journal commit I/O error |
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| 12:55.30 | xsanch | how can I see that the fsck is really progressing ? |
| 12:55.32 | mesa_booger | cire: you don't really wanna use any sound server or extra layer if at all possible. virtually all sound badness in linux is down to sound servers |
| 12:55.35 | xsanch | or if it just hangs |
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| 12:56.09 | valdyn | cire: its not deprecated, its actually getting more and more widely supported |
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| 12:57.03 | valdyn | xsanch: i/o error means that the physical device is broken - fsck cannot fix that |
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| 12:57.10 | mesa_booger | cire: the fact of the matter is that alsa already does multiple output mixing (dmix). you just set all apps to output to the "default" alsa device and all should be good |
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| 12:57.37 | brokencycle | hi! |
| 12:58.14 | mesa_booger | valdyn: it jolly ought to be deprecated. but i am fighting a lone battle against the tyrrany of wanton sound servery ... |
| 12:58.25 | xsanch | valdyn that would also explain why the fsck is in uninterruptible sleep ? |
| 12:58.38 | valdyn | mesa_booger: so maybe pulseaudio does have qualities that some people appreciate |
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| 12:58.50 | brokencycle | i'm looking for a way to have apt-get use a specific ip number out of a handful assigned to my box. is it possible? |
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| 12:59.14 | valdyn | xsanch: not exactly, uninterruptible sleep forever is a kernel bug |
| 12:59.27 | valdyn | xsanch: problem is, kernel cant be prepared for all types of hardware bugs |
| 12:59.41 | cire | mesa_booger: okay, I got the point. I looked at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Pulseaudio-diagram.svg which I find very interesting, but I am missing jackd there... What role does jackd play in linux sound management? Sorry for asking those questions, I am just trying to understand how sound under linux works and how everything is connected... |
| 12:59.52 | mhymn | mesa_booger: dunno about pulseaudio but mpd has difficulty with alsa's dmix, jfyi. |
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| 13:00.02 | valdyn | cire: jack has a different focus than pulseaudio |
| 13:00.27 | cire | jackd is for inter-application sound management, right? |
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| 13:00.30 | mesa_booger | cire: jack is used for low-latency sound apps like ardour, mainly |
| 13:00.32 | valdyn | cire: both are sound servers. Pulseaudio wants to be for the "mainstream" user. Jackd tries to be for the professional musician |
| 13:00.40 | cire | ahh, okay |
| 13:01.14 | cire | so what is the main benefit from using pulseaudio instead of alsa directly? |
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| 13:01.55 | valdyn | cire: you get to control and redirect sound individually for every application |
| 13:03.02 | valdyn | cire: i dont think theres any good "technical" reason to use dmix except that it might be the only thing that works by default for some people |
| 13:03.33 | mesa_booger | valdyn: i can see you are a true believer |
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| 13:04.22 | valdyn | mesa_booger: quite irrelevant. Im trying to give him actual facts |
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| 13:05.09 | cire | okay, I think I understood ;) |
| 13:05.09 | cire | thanks for the information |
| 13:05.09 | trochala | Can I enable a deb my-source.list file using an aptitude flag? |
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| 13:06.12 | mesa_booger | valdyn: i could reel off technical reasons why dmix is superior to pulse in almost every aspect. but it wouldn't do the slightest bit of good. you know, i've been wasting my time as a sound developer all these years |
| 13:06.35 | valdyn | mesa_booger: i dont know one reason why dmix would be better |
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| 13:06.57 | mesa_booger | that's right. in fact, you don't know a damn thing about linux sound. period |
| 13:06.58 | xsanch | valdyn |
| 13:07.36 | xsanch | valdyn, I tried again the fsck buth the fsck seems just hang .. |
| 13:07.45 | xsanch | in D+ state |
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| 13:07.59 | valdyn | xsanch: check dmesg if you get i/o errors |
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| 13:08.55 | xsanch | valdyn |
| 13:09.03 | xsanch | valdyn no I don't see any i/o errors |
| 13:09.32 | fhd | hi. I'm wondering: I've been using debian testing for a while now and right now I've got a conflict while upgrading, aptitude wants to remove gnome in order to upgrade xserver-xorg-video-mach64. I don't have the problem if I do safe upgrades. My question: Should I report this kind of things to the bug tracker (i.e. would it be helpful for anyone?) or rather keep it for myself and wait until it resolves itself? |
| 13:10.12 | valdyn | fhd: usually something like that does not need a bug report |
| 13:10.27 | fhd | valdyn, okay, thanks |
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| 13:10.56 | jelly-hme | fhd: that's normal occurence in testing and unstable, one can usually coerce aptitude not to do dumb things |
| 13:11.16 | xeon-enouf | flower: you built it .. and yet .. don't know the name? |
| 13:12.05 | xeon-enouf | flower: maybe i misunderstand, but /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
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| 13:12.31 | valdyn | xsanch: did you reboot in between? |
| 13:12.37 | flower | xeon-enouf: it's for a friend |
| 13:12.49 | xsanch | valdyn yes there were many reboots |
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| 13:14.03 | flower | xeon-enouf: msg? |
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| 13:19.36 | qabby | i |
| 13:21.09 | qabby | i cant seem to get x11 to forward. i've have searched help pages with no success. in the end i continue to get "user not authorized" errors and in su mode, x11 has issues of the x11 already being active somewhere else. does gdm have something to do with this failure? |
| 13:21.44 | xeon-enouf | flower: no thanks, no pm please - what's the problem/issue? |
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| 13:22.40 | xeon-enouf | qabby: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 13:23.06 | flower | xeon-enouf: the issue is that wireless is not working. but the driver is builded as module. So I'm wondering if he maybe needs to load his driver or something or that the broadcom just does't work |
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| 13:23.56 | xeon-enouf | flower: ok, so re-read all that i already mentioned to you |
| 13:24.06 | flower | ok thanks |
| 13:24.20 | xeon-enouf | lsmod ; msgthebot ; etc etc |
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| 13:24.44 | xeon-enouf | flower: /msg dpkg wifi howto might also help |
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| 13:25.10 | xeon-enouf | flower: i hope your friend is running debian proper, and not some variant |
| 13:25.43 | flower | xeon-enouf: it's 64studio jaunty with a debian based kernel |
| 13:25.53 | pistache | qabby: xhost + |
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| 13:26.54 | muzy | so it's me again, howto keep a package back with apt? like ignoring one |
| 13:26.54 | muzy | ? |
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| 13:29.25 | muzy | any ideas? |
| 13:29.31 | muzy | like to leave out test.deb |
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| 13:29.42 | qabby | pistache: if this is a regular user that can access X11 from the local terminal, why does this make a difference for remote access? |
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| 13:30.02 | infernix | is anyone using upstart? I cannot get it to boot in single user mode with "-s" or "single" as kernel parameter |
| 13:30.31 | infernix | tried this on my sid workstation & laptop, same problem. no known bug reports, so anyone around that doesn't have this problem? |
| 13:31.07 | valdyn | qabby: is $DISPLAY set ? |
| 13:31.43 | fredl | 'lo |
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| 13:33.36 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i think you're somehow blocking my pms or something .. hrmm |
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| 13:33.51 | xeon-enouf | flower: then ask them ;-) |
| 13:34.08 | flower | xeon-enouf: i will, thanks |
| 13:34.25 | xeon-enouf | qabby: don't use xhost + |
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| 13:38.13 | fredl | 'lo xeon-enouf |
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| 13:38.52 | fredl | is trying to dig through the kvm/qemu/libvirt/virt-manager stuff. |
| 13:39.13 | fredl | pretty cool stuff. |
| 13:40.37 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: try now. i had +E set. are you registered ? |
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| 13:45.32 | MarcWeber | I remember there is a meta package containing most dev tools. Can't remember its name, can you? |
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| 13:47.18 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: ahh |
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| 13:47.19 | canaima | hi.. i want to create a customized distro based in debian, but i dont know how to generate the ISO.. |
| 13:48.19 | canaima | any idea? any clue? |
| 13:49.47 | dimir | canaima: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 13:50.11 | canaima | thanks dimir |
| 13:50.16 | dimir | np |
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| 13:50.59 | cH40z-Lord | is it possible to recover deleted files ? |
| 13:51.13 | dimir | Depends on FS. |
| 13:51.13 | cH40z-Lord | I'm missing a whole folder including some important files... ô_O |
| 13:51.29 | cH40z-Lord | and I can't find it on cd / | find -name foldername... |
| 13:51.32 | dimir | I'd remount the partition read-only as quick as possible. |
| 13:51.59 | cH40z-Lord | I have no physical access to the machine |
| 13:52.14 | cH40z-Lord | may I damage the server if I do something wrong >;C ? |
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| 13:53.07 | dimir | Every write operation makes the chances to recover less. |
| 13:53.21 | mhymn | MarcWeber: you don't mean build-essential, do you? |
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| 13:54.04 | cH40z-Lord | dimir how can I find out which FS is in use ? |
| 13:55.07 | mesa_booger | cH40z-Lord: df or blkid may hold some clues |
| 13:55.08 | epsilon | whceck the mount |
| 13:55.37 | mesa_booger | cH40z-Lord: df -hT is good |
| 13:55.48 | cH40z-Lord | ext3 |
| 13:57.44 | xeon-enouf | MarcWeber: devscripts? |
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| 13:57.46 | mhymn | cH40z-Lord: /msg dpkg testdisk |
| 13:57.54 | cH40z-Lord | thanks |
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| 13:58.48 | cH40z-Lord | does it run under shell or only with GUI ? |
| 13:58.53 | xeon-enouf | cH40z-Lord: /msg dpkg undelete |
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| 14:00.35 | xeon-enouf | you only want the photorec tool from testdisk, if you use that - and gddrescue is a good recovery tool as well (Also have you tried -iname or -wholename instead of -name?) |
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| 14:14.47 | syslq78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.59 | Rienzilla | yes |
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| 14:15.26 | Rienzilla | hmwait |
| 14:15.45 | syslq78 | Rienzilla, sure I have half of coffee left :) |
| 14:15.57 | Rienzilla | im not 100% sure how. I have installed a system with one disk and added one later, but that was installed on a degraded soft raid1 array |
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| 14:16.11 | xeon-enouf | syslq78: read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 14:16.23 | Rienzilla | if you partition your extra disk exactly the same way as the one you have now, it must be possible |
| 14:16.30 | xeon-enouf | syslq78: use zless if needed |
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| 14:18.46 | salvin | there's a way to fix the audio in an avi video without to have the hd space for the raw video |
| 14:18.48 | salvin | ? |
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| 14:20.25 | syslq78 | xeon-enouf, I'll read it ofcourse I just wanted to make sure it can be done before I waste any time I could be actually reinstalling |
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| 14:20.30 | syslq78 | thanks guys |
| 14:21.02 | xeon-enouf | salvin: yeah, ... -ao <codec> -vo null ... |
| 14:21.42 | syslq78 | xeon-enouf, what do you use for transcoding? |
| 14:22.00 | salvin | xeon-enouf, i want fix the audio and recreate the avi |
| 14:22.06 | kosmic | what packages do i need to be able to use svn co.. . |
| 14:22.10 | xeon-enouf | mencoder? (transcode, ffmpeg, etc) i try not to transcode |
| 14:22.26 | xeon-enouf | kosmic: install subversion |
| 14:22.34 | kosmic | aH |
| 14:22.37 | kosmic | that's cool |
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| 14:23.00 | salvin | xeon-enouf, for the mux with mencoder needs the raw video no? |
| 14:23.17 | xeon-enouf | salvin: not sure - ask #mplayer |
| 14:23.24 | xeon-enouf | i don't do avi |
| 14:23.25 | salvin | ok |
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| 14:25.59 | kosmic | i'm sick ov these `manconv: can't set the locale' |
| 14:26.15 | kosmic | a thousand lines of that scrolls by whenever I instll something |
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| 14:26.25 | kosmic | how do i ignore that |
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| 14:26.42 | kosmic | as in, not get that showing up whenever i do soemthing |
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| 14:29.19 | WormFood | # apt-get source handbrake-gtk <-- gives me the error message of --> E: Unable to find a source package for handbrake <-- is this something to do with the hyphen in the package name, or is handbrake-gtk calling for package (source file) handbrake that is not available? |
| 14:29.59 | WormFood | yes, I know, this isn't from the official debian repository |
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| 14:30.21 | chellomere | WormFood, is there a deb-src for that unofficial repo? |
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| 14:30.39 | WormFood | oh shit! I forgot about the deb-source repo...let me see |
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| 14:30.53 | WormFood | there should be source repo |
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| 14:31.38 | Element14 | anybody good with CUPS? or printing in general? |
| 14:31.39 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys |
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| 14:31.59 | WormFood | maybe that is from the official repo..I thought it wasn't...I don't see any other repos in my list |
| 14:32.08 | Codtv`Yuc | i have a own debian machine as router |
| 14:32.13 | Codtv`Yuc | how sould i forward this |
| 14:32.13 | Codtv`Yuc | TCP(2300-2400,47624) and UDP(2300-2400) |
| 14:32.27 | WormFood | I have main, contrib, and non-free, all pointing ot the same server |
| 14:32.42 | WormFood | and all the source paths are there....any other suggestions chellomere? |
| 14:33.05 | chellomere | WormFood, dunno, the repo may not be providing source packages. |
| 14:33.08 | Codtv`Yuc | this are the rules that i have in my script |
| 14:33.14 | Codtv`Yuc | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 28960 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.50:28960 |
| 14:33.14 | Element14 | basically CUPS is printing things fine but every dozens of pages it prints sometimes it prints a partially screwed up page, i.e. half the page is perfect and then half the page is blank |
| 14:33.25 | WormFood | so package handbrake-gtk is calling for package handbrake? |
| 14:33.33 | Element14 | and sometimes the next page is screwed up too, then things go back to normal again |
| 14:33.37 | WormFood | Element14, sure it isn't a printer problem? |
| 14:33.49 | Element14 | WormFood: not sure whether it's a printer problem. |
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| 14:34.23 | Element14 | but it doesn't happen if I print directly using the MS operating system..... |
| 14:34.30 | WormFood | FUCK! This handbrake problem is really pissing me off...I just wanted to convert some videos to watch on my psp, while I wait for 3 god damn hours |
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| 14:35.50 | g00se | Element14: Not sure if it'll really help but try turning up cups logging |
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| 14:36.35 | Element14 | g00se: probably. but the problem is...... I'll have to kill some significant amount of trees before I see the problem again ~_~ |
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| 14:36.57 | chewed-on | Hey guys |
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| 14:37.04 | chewed-on | I found a really cool debian logo |
| 14:37.10 | Element14 | so just wondering whether there'd be somebody who might know what it could be about instead of me wasting paper..... (and ink) troubleshoot |
| 14:37.13 | chewed-on | http://www.starcraft2.com/features/zerg/baneling.xml |
| 14:37.24 | Element14 | s/troubleshoot/to troubleshoot/ |
| 14:37.31 | chewed-on | look at the purple thing :D |
| 14:37.48 | chewed-on | (between the Zerg and Banneling headings) |
| 14:37.58 | Codtv`Yuc | how can i open a range of ports using iptables? |
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| 14:38.40 | Codtv`Yuc | i wanne open a range of ports in my iptables script but this rule dont work iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 2300-2400 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.50:2300 what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 14:39.54 | jigp | chewed-on i dont see debian logo |
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| 14:40.51 | chewed-on | jigp: :P |
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| 14:40.57 | chewed-on | jigp: look at the Zerg symbol ! |
| 14:40.58 | chewed-on | :P |
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| 14:41.28 | kosmic | Progress: 0.00 %, 33 peers, dl from 15 (0.00 KB/s), ul to 1 (0.00 KB/s) [n/a] |
| 14:41.34 | Codtv`Yuc | can somebody help me |
| 14:41.34 | kosmic | What,th |
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| 14:43.11 | cH40z-Lord | what was the command to change output language in putty to EN ? |
| 14:43.13 | WormFood | Codtv`Yuc, don't set the destination port |
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| 14:43.49 | jigp | chewed-on ah yah ;)) |
| 14:44.23 | flower | strange my etc/apt/apt.conf default release testing doesn't work anymore |
| 14:44.30 | flower | from one day to another |
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| 14:46.15 | flower | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
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| 14:47.53 | W0rmF00d | Codtv`Yuc, don't set the destination port |
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| 14:49.06 | Russian_ | hello! |
| 14:49.12 | Russian_ | íó èëü êàê òàì |
| 14:49.13 | Russian_ | ) |
| 14:49.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | Russian_, UTF-8 please. |
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| 14:49.23 | Russian_ | ÷òî ?) |
| 14:49.36 | _AnywhereIs_ | Russian_, and english here :) |
| 14:49.39 | W0rmF00d | ä½ å¥½ |
| 14:49.54 | Russian_ | speak in russian? |
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| 14:50.38 | Russian_ | who knows russian? |
| 14:50.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | Russian_, i do but i speak in russian in UTF-8 which is an international standard :D |
| 14:50.42 | cH40z-Lord | how can I change my output language to EN to show you a error o_O ? |
| 14:50.43 | tenzind | hi, can i set a download speed limit in wget? |
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| 14:51.21 | Russian_ | I bad know english |
| 14:51.22 | _AnywhereIs_ | Russian_, just set utf-8 encoding on your client's settings and reconnect :) |
| 14:51.25 | WormFood | i have a russian aircraft carrier down the street from me (really, no joke)...but that is my limit of russian knowledge |
| 14:52.23 | WormFood | Russian_, I've seen (heard) a loooot of bad english...I actually teach "oral english" sometimes |
| 14:52.49 | cahoot | cH40z-Lord: try LANG=C 'command' |
| 14:53.04 | cH40z-Lord | thanks |
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| 14:53.22 | Russian_ | I do not understand you |
| 14:53.26 | WormFood | you may have to use "env" |
| 14:53.33 | Russian_ | nearly |
| 14:53.35 | Russian_ | )))))) |
| 14:54.01 | Russian_ | _AnywhereIs_: interesting ? |
| 14:54.04 | Russian_ | ÆÂ |
| 14:54.06 | Russian_ | :D |
| 14:54.30 | WormFood | you know, with over 900 people here, someone else is bound to speak russian...but they may not be able to help you with your problem....probably best to try with your english skills, and maybe some translation tools can help |
| 14:54.35 | cH40z-Lord | http://paste.debian.net/47630/ |
| 14:55.35 | cH40z-Lord | how can I fix that :O ? |
| 14:56.01 | comradekingu | Russian: Google.com/translate |
| 14:56.17 | comradekingu | Russian_: * |
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| 14:56.55 | pngwn | Russian_, you might do better in #debian-russian |
| 14:57.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | they also use utf-8 i guess. |
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| 14:57.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | and he uses either cp1251 or koi8-r |
| 14:57.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | and doesn't know how to set it to utf |
| 14:57.29 | stew | #debian-russian uses koi8 I thought |
| 14:57.44 | _AnywhereIs_ | oh my bad. |
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| 14:58.09 | stew | pic for #debian-russian: This topic is written in the KOI8-R |
| 14:58.10 | stew | encoding |
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| 14:59.27 | cH40z-Lord | http://paste.debian.net/47630/ how can I solve that problem ? |
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| 14:59.39 | Russian_ | û |
| 14:59.40 | g00se | cH40z-Lord: Try aptitude reinstall python-setuptools |
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| 15:00.14 | muzy | Is there a way to delete all the manpage and documentation stuff after an debian installation? cause i do not need them. |
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| 15:00.56 | cH40z-Lord | doesn't work g00se |
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| 15:01.16 | stew | muzy: you could remvoe it with rm just like any other files |
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| 15:01.30 | muzy | so where do i find it? |
| 15:01.35 | muzy | or these files |
| 15:01.47 | stew | muzy: its where the FHS says it should be |
| 15:01.59 | muzy | uhhm what is the FHS? |
| 15:02.08 | stew | muzy: but since you don't want documentation I suppose I shouldn't be pointing you to the FHS documentation |
| 15:02.09 | muzy | i never heard this before. |
| 15:02.14 | musolinoa | muzy: You sure you don't need the man pages? :P |
| 15:02.32 | muzy | musolinoa, it should be a minimum system with less size |
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| 15:03.08 | muzy | i have another debian running with manpages and so on, so i do not need this stuff on this machine |
| 15:03.32 | chellomere | !fhs |
| 15:03.32 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 15:03.44 | muzy | ah okay :) |
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| 15:04.39 | muzy | the current debian is about 450MB but i want less :) |
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| 15:06.19 | g00se | muzy: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4335 (bit old) |
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| 15:08.01 | g00se | muzy: Check out localepurge too |
| 15:08.18 | muzy | okay and is there a manpage and documentation purge too ? |
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| 15:14.29 | imduffy15 | Hi, i'm having a issue with natilus, every time i click on something its treated as a double click and when i try go into the preferences it exits |
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| 15:16.04 | cahoot | tried gconf-editor? |
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| 15:21.06 | Codtv`Yuc | how do i need to open a range of ports in debian? |
| 15:21.10 | Codtv`Yuc | using iptables? |
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| 15:23.52 | g00se | muzy: I don't know of one, but there could be |
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| 15:24.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | Codtv`Yuc, iptables is same for most/all distros i presume. did you read mans on iptables and googled for "opening port range iptables"? can we help you with exact problem? |
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| 15:26.26 | _Dave123_ | I have an open connection with my debian user account (through putty ssh tunnel) to a remote, but when my internetconnection crashed the connection stayed open, now when i check netstat -an | grep ip I still see the connection is open, how can I kill this connection? does anyone know? |
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| 15:27.55 | funguy | i think if you add the -p option you can see the program and kill it that way |
| 15:28.44 | _Dave123_ | funguy: it says only tcp 33012 0 myip:myport theirip:3389 ESTABLISHED |
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| 15:29.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | _Dave123_, `netstat -anp | grep anything` as root might help |
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| 15:30.02 | _Dave123_ | im not root and cant reach root for while |
| 15:30.15 | _Dave123_ | what other way should there be? i have some rights and can ps kill process if its mine |
| 15:30.45 | funguy | using putty? |
| 15:30.48 | _Dave123_ | yes |
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| 15:31.04 | funguy | wouldnt it be something like "killall putty" if you have killall installed |
| 15:31.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | _Dave123_, is that connection from your side _really_ bothering you if it is down already? ^_^ maybe i misunderstand something |
| 15:31.33 | _Dave123_ | it is bothering, cause it leaves a ghost connection which could sometimes last for days |
| 15:31.51 | _Dave123_ | and killall putty does nothing on shell |
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| 15:32.22 | _Dave123_ | oh wait |
| 15:32.26 | _Dave123_ | killall putty works! |
| 15:32.28 | _Dave123_ | thanks a lot guys |
| 15:32.41 | _Dave123_ | dont feel like calling around on a sunday evening :) |
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| 15:33.03 | _Dave123_ | btw, how can a process be called putty on my linux system? |
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| 15:33.48 | Gratz474 | how can i get the headers for my current kernel? |
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| 15:34.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | mv /bin/rm /bin/putty ? :D im confused. you open a conn thru ssh tunnel that is an ssh server on your debian. where did the connection crashed? |
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| 15:34.44 | jandro | Hi, I'm thinking about modifying my Debian box in such way that it works as a proxy/firewall/gateway/dhcp server. I've found tons of info on the internet about how to configure each of these services, but my problem is that I can't find any info about how to configure the wifi router I will be plugging to the server to distribute internet among the clients of my LAN. Would a generic router do the job or is a special device needed for this? How |
| 15:34.44 | jandro | it be configured in general terms? Can anyone please throw me some light about this? |
| 15:35.06 | _Dave123_ | _AnywhereIs_: ram memory leaks messed created blue screen due some ff activity |
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| 15:35.16 | _AnywhereIs_ | Gratz474, aptitude search linux-headers? |
| 15:35.18 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 15:35.19 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 15:35.24 | valdyn | jandro: ^^ |
| 15:35.24 | funguy | you downloaded putty? |
| 15:35.41 | Gratz474 | _AnywhereIs_, i did not know if there was a common way of doing it for your current header |
| 15:35.43 | Gratz474 | kernel sorry |
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| 15:38.24 | jandro | valdyn, dpkg: and what about the wifi device for the LAN? Do I need anything special for that? |
| 15:38.51 | valdyn | jandro: wifi or cable, that does not make a difference |
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| 15:40.40 | jandro | valdyn: then a normal wifi router with DHCP disabled will do the job? |
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| 15:45.40 | linduxed | how do i mark a package so that it doesnt upgrade? |
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| 15:46.49 | linduxed | how do i mark a package so that it doesnt upgrade? |
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| 15:46.58 | linduxed | thinks he got dropped |
| 15:47.20 | musolinoa | linduxed: Added an exclude directive in /etc/yum.conf |
| 15:47.27 | musolinoa | s/Added/Add/ |
| 15:47.31 | MauS17766 | Hi! Is there a way to automatically test the connection speed to repository mirrors and pick the fastest one? |
| 15:47.45 | linduxed | musolinoa: ?? |
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| 15:47.52 | linduxed | musolinoa: yum?? |
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| 15:48.04 | musolinoa | linduxed: Oh crap, sorry. Wrong channel. |
| 15:48.08 | linduxed | musolinoa: this is the #debian channel you know... |
| 15:48.19 | linduxed | musolinoa: thought so :-P |
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| 15:49.15 | giusef | Hi all. I want to use the readline() function in a php script. What package do I have to install for that? |
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| 15:50.24 | Mason | mybe google can do |
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| 15:52.29 | mesa_booger | giusef: libreadline5 or libreadline6 or both. and prolly the -dev packages too |
| 15:53.12 | musolinoa | linduxed: Okay, in *debian* you can added entries to /etc/apt/preferences. |
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| 15:54.22 | Dassu | Ok here's the deal |
| 15:54.45 | Dassu | I take this chair here and I sit on it. Tehn I ask a question and you guys better be ready with the answer |
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| 15:55.09 | Dassu | Here it goes: HOw do I configure hostapd to add wlan0 to bridge automatically after starting |
| 15:55.09 | azeem | Dassu: consider buying commercial support |
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| 15:57.27 | bayer | what cli program do i need to connect to the serial console of my linksys switch? |
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| 15:58.28 | azeem | bayer: maybe minicom |
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| 16:01.48 | linduxed | musolinoa: cant find such a file |
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| 16:02.42 | Ximbinha | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Set 27 11:16 www |
| 16:02.58 | Ximbinha | Is that the default for apache in debian? |
| 16:03.52 | valdyn | Ximbinha: drwxr-xr-x |
| 16:04.15 | AimHere | Probably with a different group though, valdyn |
| 16:04.24 | Ximbinha | So it's right that root is the owner and the group that owns the dir? |
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| 16:05.04 | valdyn | Ximbinha: yes |
| 16:05.05 | Ximbinha | AimHere, www-data? |
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| 16:05.14 | Ximbinha | root then |
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| 16:06.25 | macman_ | anyone use lvm ? |
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| 16:11.31 | CodeNinja | macman_: I have before |
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| 16:13.06 | CodeNinja | man wtf... my boss said I'd have my domains by now :| |
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| 16:18.36 | Ximbinha | valdyn, I did what you said. |
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| 16:18.54 | Ximbinha | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Set 27 11:16 www |
| 16:19.19 | Ximbinha | But I am not sure about root being the owner and the group. |
| 16:19.26 | Ximbinha | Is that really right? |
| 16:20.06 | valdyn | Ximbinha: yes |
| 16:20.56 | Ximbinha | Thanks then, valdyn. |
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| 16:31.53 | softlite | Hi people :D I have the question about selinux Debian Lenny :S I'm don't know how activate the policy strict :S. Some one can help me??? I already documented :D please |
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| 16:33.06 | softlite | Hi people I have a question about selinux Debian Lenny :S I'm don't know how activate the policy strict :S. Some one can help me??? I already documented :D please??? |
| 16:33.18 | Kaedenn | Hi. What does the : mean in this context: { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-pcm-oss ; : ; } |
| 16:33.40 | Kaedenn | Furthermore, why are their braces? The full line is: install snd-pcm /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-pcm-oss ; : ; } |
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| 16:34.11 | Kaedenn | My research tells me : is not a valid token. |
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| 16:36.34 | macman_ | stew: you there ? |
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| 16:37.20 | stew | macman_: yes |
| 16:37.24 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 16:37.46 | musicalgenius | will debian run very well on a PIII (750mhz), 8mb video, and 128mb ram laptop? |
| 16:38.38 | cahoot | musicalgenius: probably - depending of config |
| 16:38.44 | stew | musicalgenius: sure, of course, depending on what you want to do with it, debian can run fine on that hardware, some software available from debian wont be happy with that small amount of ram |
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| 16:39.02 | macman_ | stew: im on a nix machine and want to use lvm .. any examples i can test ? |
| 16:39.05 | musicalgenius | i just want to use it to surf the web and type up stuff |
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| 16:41.35 | stew | macman_: did you look at the howto I pointed you to? |
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| 16:42.42 | macman_ | sorry nope .. im actually on a linux distro |
| 16:42.59 | Kaedenn | Does the : token do anything in bourne or bash? |
| 16:43.32 | Kaedenn | Within this context, namely: install snd-pcm /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-pcm-oss ; : ; } |
| 16:44.16 | stew | Kaedenn: type "help :" in bash |
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| 16:44.55 | Kaedenn | then why include it? |
| 16:45.15 | Kaedenn | if it has no effect other than futzing with $_ |
| 16:45.34 | xsdg | Kaedenn: I often do while :; do foo; done for an infinite loop |
| 16:46.13 | xsdg | Kaedenn: alternately, command_that_might_fail || : |
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| 16:46.44 | xsdg | Kaedenn: it's better than true(1) because you don't have the fork cost (since : is a builtin) |
| 16:46.54 | Kaedenn | oh wow |
| 16:47.31 | \amethyst | true(1) is typically a builtin |
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| 16:47.39 | sajes | nautilus crashes when I go to file management preferences. Is this a known bug? |
| 16:47.45 | \amethyst | it's not required, but both bash and dash implement it as a builtin |
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| 16:48.12 | Jemt | Guys, I have just copied the libflashplayer.so module to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/, but I still got no flash support. What else do I need to do ? |
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| 16:48.15 | xsdg | \amethyst: now I'm confused :o) |
| 16:48.19 | xsdg | (but you are correct) |
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| 16:48.35 | sajes | Ooh, it's not even just a simple crash. It's a segfault. :) |
| 16:48.36 | xsdg | Jemt: make sure it's executable |
| 16:48.38 | rrva_ | when upgrading to upstart from sysvinit, init stopped working. just hangs after "init crypto disks".. how to debug? |
| 16:48.38 | Jemt | Ilibflashplayer.so is from Adobe (flash player 10) |
| 16:48.39 | \amethyst | xsdg: there are some minor differences, because ':' is a special builtin |
| 16:48.48 | Jemt | xsdg: Oh, yes - might be it. Thanks, checking |
| 16:49.01 | \amethyst | xsdg: e.g. foo=bar true does not change the shell's environment, but foo=bar : does |
| 16:49.07 | dutchfish | Jemt, ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 16:49.21 | \amethyst | xsdg: (though this doesn't happen on bash without --posix) |
| 16:49.21 | Jemt | dutchfish: I prefer a global installation |
| 16:49.25 | xsdg | \amethyst: oh, so it's magic |
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| 16:49.56 | Jemt | Hm, okay, trying my locale firefox settings. It won't work with /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
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| 16:50.01 | \amethyst | xsdg: the technical term is "special" :) |
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| 16:50.12 | \amethyst | xsdg: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_14 if you're really interested in the details |
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| 16:50.24 | Jemt | dutchfish: No such folder exists |
| 16:50.36 | xsdg | \amethyst: thanks |
| 16:50.37 | dutchfish | Jemt, you have to create it |
| 16:50.45 | Jemt | dutchfish: I see, thanks |
| 16:50.52 | dutchfish | Jemt, ~/.mozilla shoul dbe there |
| 16:50.58 | Jemt | dutchfish: It is :) |
| 16:51.12 | \amethyst | xsdg: also relevant is |
| 16:51.17 | \amethyst | xsdg: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_09_01_01 |
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| 16:51.46 | \amethyst | xsdg: 'true' does not require a path search, so is usually implemented as a built-in, but that is not required |
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| 16:51.55 | Jemt | dutchfish: Still no luck |
| 16:52.01 | Jemt | Firefox is not playing flash |
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| 16:52.28 | dutchfish | Jemt, oh i was talking iceweasel lenny/squeeze |
| 16:52.40 | Jemt | Me too. It IS Iceweasel :) |
| 16:52.46 | Jemt | I'm just calling it Firefox |
| 16:52.49 | dutchfish | Jemt, dont know about selfcompiled firefox |
| 16:52.55 | dutchfish | Jemt, it isnt |
| 16:52.57 | Jemt | It's Iceweasel :) |
| 16:53.07 | Jemt | I know it's a debranded version |
| 16:53.13 | dutchfish | Jemt, i know what you mean, but no |
| 16:53.29 | dutchfish | Jemt, and 2nd why not use iceweasel then? |
| 16:53.31 | Jemt | Maybe Flash 10 is not working on Lenny ? |
| 16:53.38 | dutchfish | Jemt, it works |
| 16:53.45 | Jemt | dutchfish: I AM using Iceweasel :) |
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| 16:55.01 | krisfremen | hiya all, i have a quick question |
| 16:55.17 | dutchfish | Jemt, what compiler options you have on compile? |
| 16:55.18 | krisfremen | what would be enough hdd space to install a minimal debian install on an asus eee pc ? |
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| 16:56.36 | Iqbal | Hello |
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| 16:58.06 | fredl | I am not using IceWeasel. |
| 16:58.12 | fredl | it sucks. |
| 16:58.22 | Iqbal | Does anyone know the program where it highlight files and directorys? For a server? |
| 16:58.47 | dutchfish | Iqbal, you mean colorcoding? |
| 16:58.49 | fredl | 'where it highlight files and directories' ? you mean 'ls' ? |
| 16:58.51 | Iqbal | yeah |
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| 16:59.03 | dutchfish | Iqbal, ~/.bashrc |
| 16:59.11 | fredl | ls --color ? |
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| 17:00.12 | Iqbal | http://grab.by/6hW < like that |
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| 17:00.26 | fredl | ls --color |
| 17:00.29 | Iqbal | ok |
| 17:00.49 | Iqbal | Is it possible to make that be permannent |
| 17:00.51 | konr | What should I do when I try to send something to /dev/dsp, and get "device or resource busy"? |
| 17:00.56 | dutchfish | Iqbal, you can set those settings in .bashrc |
| 17:01.03 | fredl | yes by making an alias in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 17:01.13 | Iqbal | hmm I dont have that |
| 17:01.23 | konr | I've always managed to solve that by voodoo, removing audio apps and randomly restarting alsa, but never figured out what the problem was |
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| 17:01.29 | fredl | so make one. |
| 17:01.34 | Iqbal | :o |
| 17:01.56 | fredl | and put alias ls='/bin/ls -color' in it |
| 17:02.08 | Iqbal | ok |
| 17:02.09 | Iqbal | thanks |
| 17:02.15 | fredl | or better yet alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 17:02.15 | dutchfish | Iqbal, example chears: http://pastebin.com/f78a97505 |
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| 17:02.36 | jupiter15 | hello, I need http.tcl in version 2.5 for an eggdrop bot, but http.tcl is only provided in v1 in tcl8.5, while tcl8.4 provides both versions. And eggdrop requires tcl8.5... Is there any way around this problem? |
| 17:02.54 | fredl | jupiter15, this is #debian |
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| 17:03.14 | fredl | not #eggdrop |
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| 17:03.21 | jupiter15 | yes, the problem happens on a debian box, gentoo and smeserver don't have that bug* |
| 17:03.55 | dutchfish | Iqbal, 77 - 87 is prolly what you want |
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| 17:04.12 | fredl | so your tcl version is too old. |
| 17:04.22 | fredl | run squeeze or sid. |
| 17:04.25 | Iqbal | i am sorry but I dont understand |
| 17:05.17 | jupiter15 | now I apt-getted both versions of tcl (8.4 and 8.5), which are the latest available for debian (it seems) |
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| 17:05.47 | jupiter15 | the eggdrop I apt-gette requires 8.5 (so runs because it is installed) |
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| 17:06.31 | jupiter15 | but it won't recognise http in version 2.5 (that is provided is the 8.4 version also installed) |
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| 17:06.38 | fredl | jupiter15, I see... there does seem to be a small problem there. |
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| 17:07.00 | fredl | apt-file search http.tcl: |
| 17:07.03 | fredl | tcl8.4: /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.4/http1.0/http.tcl |
| 17:07.03 | fredl | tcl8.4: /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.4/http2.5/http.tcl |
| 17:07.03 | fredl | tcl8.5: /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.5/http1.0/http.tcl |
| 17:07.17 | jupiter15 | exactly my problem... |
| 17:07.19 | fredl | interesting, no http2.5 |
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| 17:07.48 | jupiter15 | now, on gentoo... the same thing happens to me, but eggdrop (tcl) accepts it when i force feed him the 2.5 |
| 17:07.55 | fredl | well I don't know much about tcltk nor about eggdrop bots but I'm more curious what's http1.0 / http2.5 |
| 17:08.03 | jupiter15 | on debian it somehow rejects it silently |
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| 17:08.31 | jupiter15 | it's a tcl library for reading data on site |
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| 17:08.44 | Iqbal | Thank You dutchfish |
| 17:08.47 | Iqbal | it worked |
| 17:09.02 | dutchfish | Iqbal, yw |
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| 17:09.05 | jupiter15 | it allows the bot to do some searches on google and things, or read quotes |
| 17:09.11 | fredl | well the http2.5/http.tcl is apparently not included in the 8.5 package, I think you should file a bugreport for that jupiter15 |
| 17:09.58 | jupiter15 | fredl, it isn't on gentoo neither, so that is related to the tcl team, not the debian team as i think |
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| 17:10.50 | fredl | I wouldn't be surprised if there's not much overlap there. |
| 17:13.11 | fredl | jupiter15 - maybe you could try a workaround... just ln -s /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.5/http1.0 /usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.5/http2.5 |
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| 17:14.00 | jupiter15 | fredl, the http lib has changer considerably... would be like running konqueror of kde1 in kde4 |
| 17:14.02 | muzy | has anyone an idea howto disable the shell after booting? that you just can login over ssh and not on the physical machine? |
| 17:14.03 | fredl | it's a long shot... maybe the eggdrop code is just wrong and it shouldn't use the http2.5? |
| 17:14.29 | fredl | hmm. well then that's not going to work I guess. |
| 17:14.52 | jupiter15 | muzy, remove keyboard support from the kernel? might be a bit too much though |
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| 17:15.04 | muzy | jupiter15, no just remove the login prompt |
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| 17:15.12 | Wyzard | muzy: Change /etc/inittab to not run any gettys |
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| 17:15.28 | muzy | okay i will have a try but first backup |
| 17:15.38 | fredl | muzy - edit /etc/inittab, comment the lines that say 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty |
| 17:15.54 | jupiter15 | yes fredl ... now i was thinking of removing all 8.5 and compiling the eggdrop with 8.4 |
| 17:16.05 | muzy | is there the possibility to print out the output from a scipt/process instead |
| 17:16.06 | muzy | ? |
| 17:16.06 | Wyzard | muzy: That's a bad idea though; you'll have no way to log in to fix things if the machine's network connectivity stops working for some reason |
| 17:16.15 | Wyzard | muzy: short of rebooting in single-user mode |
| 17:16.27 | muzy | Wyzard, ssh should be available too. |
| 17:16.31 | fredl | jupiter15, well you don't need to remove it altogether for that right? Maybe you can simply configure the eggdrop to do so |
| 17:16.32 | muzy | so just ssh should work. |
| 17:16.38 | Wyzard | muzy: not if the network is down |
| 17:16.48 | muzy | then reboot the virtual machine ;) |
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| 17:17.25 | jupiter15 | fredl, i guess i could, but eggdrop is the only reason why tcl is installed :p so why keep 2 versions |
| 17:17.39 | fredl | true... |
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| 17:17.57 | jupiter15 | I'll find something anyway ^^ thanks at least I know it's not a subtility I missed |
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| 17:18.15 | fredl | muzy - it's a silly security measure though. Anybody who has console can reboot your system in single user mode. |
| 17:18.19 | jupiter15 | like the X package provides it for that version of tcl... |
| 17:18.33 | muzy | fredl, i know what i want to do |
| 17:18.34 | jupiter15 | 'm not very used to debian yet |
| 17:18.52 | fredl | jupiter15, try apt-get install apt-file |
| 17:19.10 | fredl | apt-file is a neat tool to locate files you might not have installed. |
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| 17:19.53 | jupiter15 | ow sweet!! thanks for the hint :p |
| 17:20.06 | fredl | muzy, that may be so, I'm just telling you that it does not really serve any purpose unless you're low on memory, like, real real low |
| 17:20.12 | k]t | anyone using atyfb? |
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| 17:20.36 | muzy | fredl, the purpose is cloud computing later ;) |
| 17:20.39 | muzy | or kind of. |
| 17:20.50 | fredl | and? |
| 17:20.54 | muzy | so there is no need for ssh, the computers do not need any controlling |
| 17:21.02 | muzy | the ssh is just for emergency |
| 17:21.08 | muzy | if something went wrong just reboot |
| 17:21.15 | fredl | *shrug* |
| 17:21.26 | Wyzard | muzy: That's a pretty naive troubleshooting approach |
| 17:21.36 | muzy | yeah it is :) |
| 17:21.45 | muzy | KISS ;) |
| 17:21.52 | muzy | Keep it simple and stupid |
| 17:22.15 | fredl | .oO |
| 17:22.16 | Wyzard | muzy: And you can still "just reboot" if you want to, even if you have gettys running |
| 17:22.36 | Wyzard | muzy: What disadvantage do you see in allowing console login? What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 17:22.40 | muzy | yeah Wyzard |
| 17:22.47 | muzy | well just reboot the thing |
| 17:23.02 | muzy | Wyzard, why should i enable it when i do not need it? |
| 17:23.08 | valdyn | muzy: kiss also means that you dont go out of your way to to something useless |
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| 17:23.42 | Wyzard | muzy: because it may be useful for emergency troubleshooting, same as ssh |
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| 17:23.48 | fredl | muzy - are you going to recompile the kernel to strip everything out of there you don't need? |
| 17:23.55 | Wyzard | muzy: Why go out of your way to disable it if it's harmless? |
| 17:24.17 | fredl | I could see why you'd want to disable telnet or ftp and such... |
| 17:24.19 | muzy | Wyzard, because i want to do it. |
| 17:24.22 | dkr | fredl: that's not a bad idea. :) |
| 17:24.37 | muzy | it would be much nicer. |
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| 17:24.47 | fredl | dkr - I know organisations where they still use telnet and ftp as if there is no tomorrow. |
| 17:24.50 | valdyn | muzy: edit /etc/inittab |
| 17:24.52 | dkr | monolithic kernel for a server with fixed hardware |
| 17:25.05 | fredl | oh that... |
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| 17:25.17 | Wyzard | muzy: Suit yourself, but you're limiting your troubleshooting/repair options for no good reason |
| 17:25.32 | dutchfish | Wyzard, bingo |
| 17:26.04 | fredl | 'let's throw that screwdriver away, it only makes my workbench look cluttered' |
| 17:26.19 | fredl | anyhoo... |
| 17:26.22 | fredl | next. |
| 17:26.30 | dkr | sometimes new DoS vulns are restricted to certain parts of the kernel, so you could save yourself a reboot if you aren't affected by a new vuln |
| 17:26.51 | fredl | monoliths are cool. |
| 17:27.25 | fredl | however, modules can be unloaded/loaded to reset stuff. |
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| 17:27.41 | fredl | I always thought that was a much more important use of modular kernels. |
| 17:27.53 | dkr | true |
| 17:28.00 | fredl | crap, #virt is quiet. |
| 17:28.36 | fredl | all salaried Redhat employees celebrating their weekends minus coding. |
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| 17:31.02 | fredl | or they're just coding so hard they don't look at IRC anymore. |
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| 17:52.22 | Mark21 | hello, I have an lvm volume with as type swap. I did use swapoff -v /dev/xen-domains/magento-swap and still I can not remove that lvm volume (using lvremove). How can I remove it? |
| 17:53.01 | lxsameer | hi i have amd64 debian system but i can't install nvidia driver correctlly and i can't find any guide for it can any one help me |
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| 17:58.06 | Saz|Laptop | so, I'm trying to save my dad's restaurant some money by setting him up with a decent point of sale system but without paying out the ass for it, and was hoping that you guys knew of any linux based open (or closed, I don't care) source POS software |
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| 17:58.41 | Saz|Laptop | I'm looking towards the functionality of Aloha, which I've used before and am pretty impressed by, but if it's open source I can always tweak it to my needs |
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| 18:00.05 | lxsameer | what is the difference between ia64 and ia32 and amd64 platform |
| 18:00.49 | mhymn | lxsameer: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 18:00.58 | Saz|Laptop | lxsameer, ia64 is intel's itanium platform, you most likely don't have it |
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| 18:01.38 | Mark21 | for most 64 bit systems you should use amd64 (for example if it is a intel core2duo/core2quad/xeon 64 bit cpu or a amd 64 bit cpu) |
| 18:01.41 | Saz|Laptop | ia32 is any x86-compatible platform, in the broadest sense. and amd64 is what most processors being sold as "64 bit" are being sold as |
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| 18:02.03 | AimHere | Well any x86 compatible platform from the 386 and up |
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| 18:04.06 | lxsameer | i have a amd64 cpu but when i intall nvidia 64bit driver it ask me for installing ia32 opengl driver and after installing that i get some error that say specific opengl lib not found in /emul/ia32-linu |
| 18:04.10 | lxsameer | x |
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| 18:05.13 | pistache | Hello. |
| 18:05.32 | pistache | I'm trying to make my DHCP server with a VPN connection. |
| 18:06.01 | pistache | I got a server at 10.42.13.254 (netmask is 255.255.255.0), running dhcp3 |
| 18:06.10 | _KaszpiR_ | how you want to get vpn before getting dhcp request -_- |
| 18:06.43 | mhymn | lxsameer: there was once #nvidia iirc |
| 18:06.43 | pistache | And a client, who wants to get DHCP address via the servet at 10.42.13.254 |
| 18:07.03 | pistache | Server says : |
| 18:07.03 | pistache | Server says :Listening on LPF/geeks0/00:42:42:42:42:42/10.42.13/24 |
| 18:07.06 | lxsameer | mhymn: there is a dead channel |
| 18:07.17 | pistache | I can ping 10.42.13.254 |
| 18:07.28 | lxsameer | mhymn: what is ia32-libs software? |
| 18:07.37 | pistache | But the client can't get any IP, keeping to send DHCPDISCOVER. |
| 18:07.39 | pistache | Any idea ? |
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| 18:08.29 | Saz|Laptop | lxsameer, I think you need to fix the installer to use /usr/lib32 |
| 18:08.34 | mhymn | dpkg: info ia32-libs |
| 18:09.26 | lxsameer | Saz|Laptop: instead of using ia32-libs? |
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| 18:09.42 | Wyzard | lxsameer: The 64-bit and 32-bit nVidia drivers are in separate packages, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 18:10.04 | Saz|Laptop | iirc ia32-libs uses /usr/lib32 now |
| 18:10.05 | Wyzard | lxsameer: The ia32 one is optional (it's only needed if you want to run 32-bit programs with 3D acceleration) |
| 18:10.15 | Saz|Laptop | unless /usr/lib32 is a symlink to /emul/ia32-linux |
| 18:10.22 | Saz|Laptop | it is on one of my systems |
| 18:10.54 | lxsameer | hmmmmm , |
| 18:10.58 | lxsameer | i get mixed up |
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| 18:13.48 | lxsameer | nvidia-glx has no installation condition |
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| 18:14.15 | Wyzard | lxsameer: It's in non-free |
| 18:14.26 | Wyzard | lxsameer: Were you trying to install the driver using the script from nvidia.com? |
| 18:14.49 | lxsameer | Wyzard: yeah |
| 18:14.56 | Wyzard | lxsameer: Uninstall that and use the packages instead |
| 18:15.12 | Wyzard | lxsameer: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:15.20 | Jemt_ | I have never had any problems with the official nVidia driver. It works great on Debian |
| 18:16.09 | lxsameer | Jemt_: yeah it does but in 32bit platform |
| 18:16.14 | Jemt_ | You might have to reinstall the drivers if you upgrade the kernel or other vital components |
| 18:16.22 | Wyzard | Jemt_: It doesn't use dpkg-divert when replacing the default libGL.so (the Mesa one) so it'll break when Mesa gets upgraded |
| 18:16.23 | lxsameer | Jemt_: did you get the error i get ? |
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| 18:16.35 | Jemt_ | That might be true - I've only used it on 32 bit computers |
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| 18:17.14 | Jemt_ | lxsameer: Nope, never received any errors - it just worked .9 |
| 18:17.15 | Jemt_ | :) |
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| 18:29.04 | simeon | Does anyone know how to get USB working with the latest VBox version? I don't think the Windows guest has any access to the USB device. |
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| 18:29.28 | Elive_user94_en | hi |
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| 18:30.28 | Elive_user94_en | como establezco un nombre en irc? |
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| 18:33.15 | markit | hi, any link to simple usefull and complete info about what to do to install all the available multimedia codecs? |
| 18:33.43 | simeon | w32codecs from debian-multimedia repos |
| 18:34.26 | markit | simeon: only? wow, great (I suppose w64codecs for 64 bit debian) |
| 18:34.40 | simeon | and gstreamer0.10-plugins-(bad/ugly etc) |
| 18:34.51 | markit | does it include ogg/vorbis, ffmpeg and other stuff? |
| 18:34.55 | simeon | yeah for 64 bit... |
| 18:35.15 | simeon | well you also need to install ffmpeg separately but it is in the regular repos |
| 18:35.25 | simeon | you need to add the debian-multimedia repos |
| 18:35.27 | markit | mm what is the bad/ugly thing? I've seen in ubuntu, not in debian, at least... |
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| 18:36.32 | simeon | aptitude show gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad will give you the description |
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| 18:39.12 | markit | simeon: oh, with dpkg -L I've just noticed the presence of -base -bad -good on my system also |
| 18:39.16 | markit | thanks for the tips |
| 18:39.28 | simeon | np |
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| 18:40.20 | markit | and stuff like mencoder ffmpeg etc are dependencies of the above, or do I have to install one by one? Or there is a "meta-package"? |
| 18:40.35 | Balsaq | took 3min 30 sec to go from off to the internet incl putting in my name and password...is that too slow |
| 18:40.52 | markit | I ask because my current pc works fine, but I've no memory about how/what/why I did during all the time I've been running |
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| 18:40.53 | valdyn | markit: why would ffmpeg depends on a codec? |
| 18:41.11 | valdyn | markit: if you install vlc you already get most codecs in a way |
| 18:41.30 | valdyn | markit: gstreamer is *another* set of codecs ( and more stuff ) |
| 18:41.37 | markit | valdyn: I've no idea about their relation, just would love to have a "recipe" to what install to have all the multimedia stuff working |
| 18:41.51 | valdyn | markit: just install the programs you want |
| 18:42.28 | markit | i.e. k9copy was crashing as soon as I clicked "open disk", and was because libdvdcss2 was missing, but a misleading message was shown |
| 18:42.28 | valdyn | markit: then add the gstreamer-bad and w32codecs - that should be all |
| 18:42.48 | valdyn | markit: ok, libdvdcss2 isnt a codec in that sense |
| 18:43.03 | markit | valdyn: sorry, but I think you have got my need |
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| 18:43.21 | valdyn | markit: yea |
| 18:43.30 | markit | I would love to be able to install debian from scratch, and then add "x" packages and have all tue usual multimedia stuff work |
| 18:43.33 | valdyn | markit: well, i dont have w32codecs, i dont miss them either |
| 18:43.38 | markit | without have to hunt piece by piece |
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| 18:43.56 | valdyn | markit: i believe we listed everything now |
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| 18:44.23 | markit | valdyn: well, I use gnash for instance, so you figure... but sometime there is the need to play some evil content |
| 18:44.35 | markit | ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 18:44.59 | markit | but since I suppose is a common problem, I thought there was a "meta-package" or some easier way |
| 18:45.16 | markit | (easier = don't have to ask here and be lucky to find you) |
| 18:45.25 | valdyn | markit: there isnt, unfortunately |
| 18:45.49 | markit | ok :) |
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| 18:47.52 | alsd | hi there |
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| 18:49.21 | alsd | i'm wondering, is there some sort of well known magic spell for the find command to tell which symlinks point to a file? |
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| 18:50.52 | alsd | goes RTFfM |
| 18:51.22 | konr | Guys, I can't open "/dev/dsp". What can I do? |
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| 18:51.49 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:51.49 | sepult | alsd: find -type l or so |
| 18:51.49 | valdyn | konr: why cant you? |
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| 18:52.30 | konr | valdyn: I don't know... There are no apps using it |
| 18:52.56 | DexterF | can I install sun-java6-jre from testing in lenny just like that? |
| 18:53.30 | valdyn | konr: maybe you shouldnt open it |
| 18:53.36 | alsd | sepult: yeah that's for the usual side : find symlinks. but i'd like to know the reverse, if ever possible : what symlinks in the file system point to (say) /usr/bin/thunar , as since i installed the xfce desktop task, gnome desktop places shortcuts opens thunar instead of nautilus, which is annoying |
| 18:53.41 | valdyn | konr: why must you use /dev/dsp at all? |
| 18:53.55 | alsd | sepult: and can't really figure out what configuration setting changed |
| 18:53.58 | konr | valdyn: well, to use festival, for instance |
| 18:54.18 | valdyn | konr: does sound work in different applications? |
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| 18:55.02 | sepult | alsd: /etc/alternatives , update-alternatives --list blah |
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| 18:55.04 | konr | valdyn: not in a single. mpd cannot play songs, festival cannot open /dev/dsp, nor I can do a `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` |
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| 18:55.13 | alsd | DexterF: i guess it's what it's made for. last time i tried, you had to accept the sun JRE licence so as to complete installation |
| 18:55.36 | valdyn | konr: As far as possible your appplications should not even be using /dev/dsp but alsa |
| 18:55.37 | chronomex | alsd: I suppose it might be invoking /usr/bin/sensible-browser, which looks in a lot of places for a webbrowser and picks what it assumes you want |
| 18:55.49 | sepult | alsd: second attempt should be maybe those rc files gnome or kde |
| 18:55.50 | sepult | specific, mailcap, and file mime associations |
| 18:55.51 | valdyn | konr: however, what is the error you get on "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 18:56.00 | chronomex | which as sepult said, invokes /etc/alternatives |
| 18:56.03 | alsd | chronomex: it's not a web browser, only a file browser |
| 18:56.12 | DexterF | alsd: ill just make a snapshot of the vm and give it a try and see if it explodes |
| 18:56.26 | chronomex | ah |
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| 18:57.33 | alsd | DexterF: it might. or not. depending on its well behavedness of the day (has it had its morning coffee? has it got enough RAM?... difficult questions to answer ;) |
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| 18:58.02 | konr | valdyn: device or resource busy |
| 18:58.13 | valdyn | konr: so something IS using your sound |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn | konr: fuser /dev/snd |
| 18:58.48 | beardy | !rs |
| 18:58.48 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy. |
| 18:58.55 | valdyn | konr: run "fuser /dev/snd/*" as root |
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| 18:59.42 | alsd | DexterF: when I read the news about our national railway ticket system here, i'm laughing. millions of requests everyday, and the web server is java based. and they wonder why it crashes or misconducts sooo often |
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| 19:00.43 | valdyn | alsd: and what would be the alternative to java? |
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| 19:00.50 | alsd | DexterF: been working for said railway company, i'm not really wondering. m$ all the way, java... wonderful, quality proven software |
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| 19:01.13 | Lotse | valdyn: Visual Basic |
| 19:01.19 | hypernet | #debian |
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| 19:01.34 | valdyn | Lotse: thanks, but this was a serious question |
| 19:01.54 | DexterF | I never got what peple see in java anyway, alsd. |
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| 19:02.11 | alsd | Lotse: they are also using visual basic 3.0 for the internal train management ;) |
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| 19:02.28 | Wyzard | DexterF: Lots of high-level APIs |
| 19:02.43 | valdyn | and java is fast |
| 19:02.46 | valdyn | and uh |
| 19:02.47 | alsd | DexterF: it's easy to start with. maybe not so useful on the long run, or for industrial applications |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | huge and bloated |
| 19:03.44 | Wyzard | but if you can save on development time you can take that money and buy a bigger server instead |
| 19:03.52 | fredl | huge doesn't neccesarily imply bloated though. |
| 19:04.05 | valdyn | ....perfect for custom software |
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| 19:04.33 | alsd | valdyn: i don't know if there's an alternative, i'm not a web developper, but a fellow webdev friend of mine told me about c++-based web serving software he found recently, which could be a solution |
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| 19:04.39 | fredl | Java is pretty good for some stuff, just not for all stuff. |
| 19:05.10 | DexterF | I can see it scales on big server installations, but no point usign it fopr desktop apps. |
| 19:05.14 | alsd | valdyn: at least it's strongly typed, error-checked at compile time, and doesn't need dynamic JIT compilation which can be error prone |
| 19:05.19 | fredl | I think Java webdevelopment has a pretty steep learning curve |
| 19:05.22 | DexterF | urgh, typo devil |
| 19:05.33 | alsd | valdyn: and scales much better than java, i've been told |
| 19:05.53 | valdyn | alsd: C++ isnt involved in scaling |
| 19:05.58 | valdyn | alsd: its only a language |
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| 19:06.25 | fredl | you could always use CORBA :P |
| 19:06.26 | fredl | runs |
| 19:06.40 | alsd | valdyn: of course. but java based programs don't scale well, as they tend to replace programmer time with CPU time. when there's millions of requests per day, that can matter |
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| 19:07.46 | Wyzard | On the (Java) system I work on, CPU time doesn't matter much because the database is the bottleneck |
| 19:07.50 | valdyn | alsd: more likely the engineers fault if their programs dont scale |
| 19:07.53 | fredl | alsd - it doesn't replace programmer time with CPU time, it's more like a factor 100 there. |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn | alsd: not javas |
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| 19:08.21 | valdyn | but java isnt slow |
| 19:08.29 | fredl | costs of personnel is WAY higher than getting some extra heavy servers. |
| 19:08.48 | fredl | costs of skilled personnel that is. |
| 19:08.50 | alsd | fredl: on the short run |
| 19:09.12 | alsd | fredl: but if you try to build a reliable, loooong term infrastructure, i'm not so sure |
| 19:09.21 | markit | valdyn: ruby / ruby on rails is cool :) and there are many options to make it run fast, I've heard. Just to tell you what you could look at |
| 19:09.40 | valdyn | markit: that doesnt compare with java |
| 19:09.56 | fredl | alsd - it's much easier with Java and the frameworks around it to build a scalable infrastructure than it is with pretty much everything else. |
| 19:09.58 | markit | valdyn: no, it's much better in productivity, I've read |
| 19:10.01 | alsd | fredl: I mean, java can be a great tool for a first sight, and then when you know what's needed, how it behaves, can be translated to something more serious |
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| 19:10.08 | valdyn | markit: yea,indeed, and much slower |
| 19:10.25 | markit | valdyn: don't know how much, and there is JRuby that runs on Java VM |
| 19:10.40 | markit | and ruby 1.9 is much faster in any case than 1.8 |
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| 19:10.42 | markit | etc. |
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| 19:11.08 | markit | but I'm not here to convince anyone :) just pointing to a really cood language |
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| 19:11.08 | markit | cool |
| 19:11.18 | markit | (I'm trying to leanr ruby as well as english, lol) |
| 19:11.26 | alsd | valdyn: well, i guess so. but the HR department doesn't seem to know what a qualified engineer is. their fault, causing much trouble to people using the railway system |
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| 19:12.14 | alsd | valdyn: i mean, it's much easier to use some other country's train time table search engine when you want to book a train than the national one |
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| 19:12.25 | alsd | valdyn: there's something utterly broken here |
| 19:12.38 | lvh | hi |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | alsd: i see |
| 19:12.45 | lvh | i have two amd64 boxen with similar installed packages |
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| 19:13.02 | lvh | is making /var/cache/apt/archives an NFS mount a bad idea? :-) |
| 19:13.03 | fredl | alsd - oh I see you're French :P |
| 19:13.04 | murdoc-is-god | I have a block device /dev/sdb that has 8000GB of capacity. I'm trying to use fdisk and create a partition on it, but it's capping out at ~2100GB for some reason. Can't I make /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:13.11 | alsd | fredl: yes sir ;) |
| 19:13.24 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: use lvm |
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| 19:13.36 | murdoc-is-god | I want to then use LVM on it, but I figured I'd like the /dev/sdb1 mapped to a single PV |
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| 19:13.51 | fredl | is the national train time system in France a government thing? |
| 19:14.00 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: partition max size is 2TB |
| 19:14.07 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: Wow |
| 19:14.10 | murdoc-is-god | Where is that limit? |
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| 19:14.26 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: uh, i misread, hold on |
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| 19:14.34 | alsd | fredl: for now on (until december the 31, at midnight, that is) |
| 19:14.34 | abrotman | lvh: why would it be ? |
| 19:15.01 | fredl | alsd - there you go, that's what's broken. |
| 19:15.05 | DexterF | I accidentally ran dpk-reconfigure -a - can I safely kill it from another terminal? |
| 19:15.13 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: It seems that on my other server, I have /dev/sdb used directly and turned into a PV |
| 19:15.20 | abrotman | DexterF: is it doing something ? |
| 19:15.22 | murdoc-is-god | And that works fine. |
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| 19:15.52 | DexterF | abrotman: it asks "systemwider readable home dirs?" right now and waits for my input |
| 19:16.00 | fredl | basic rule - everything handled by the government will be handed badly. |
| 19:16.09 | fredl | handled even. |
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| 19:16.15 | abrotman | DexterF: wait .. you're reconfiguring everything |
| 19:16.17 | abrotman | !ot |
| 19:16.18 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 19:16.23 | alsd | fredl: but what's utterly broken in the end is that, you can see it for yourself, http://voyages-sncf.com is the train ticket system for SNCF (national railway company, government owned, until the end of the year) |
| 19:16.33 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: sure that works fine |
| 19:16.37 | lvh | abrotman: I don't know. This sounds like something that might have a special thing for it, like mirroring apt mirrors |
| 19:16.45 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: wikipedia sais that maximum dos partition size is 2TB |
| 19:16.53 | lvh | abrotman: specifically, can I have two archives directories? |
| 19:16.55 | DexterF | abrotman: yes, but I dont wanna |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | lvh: i can't see why it would be a bad thing .. if you want an apt proxy .. look at approx |
| 19:17.10 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: you could use GPT or just lvm |
| 19:17.20 | lvh | abrotman: (sometimes I do updates on my laptop at my uni campus -- they have a debian mirror, so I can pull in new packages ridiculously quickly |
| 19:17.26 | alsd | fredl: this web site is a subsidiary of the french railway company. that is, it's private sector, but its CEO is the same as the railway company... |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | DexterF: you can try to kill it and then reconfigure the package it's currently on .. then run dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:17.43 | abrotman | alsd: fredl #debian-offtopic |
| 19:17.48 | fredl | alsd - #debian-offtopic, it's getting a bit too long. |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | thanks! |
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| 19:18.13 | fredl | sorry, started as a java on debian discussion. |
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| 19:18.25 | fredl | but as many things do.... :) |
| 19:18.51 | engla | my computer can't take the IO (or CPU?) hit that aptitude delivers for 'update' or 'upgrade'; even apt-get seems much much better. what do you do about it? |
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| 19:19.38 | abrotman | engla: get more RAM ? |
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| 19:21.07 | pipeline | engla: it's probably all in your head. libapt is a real monster, whether it's being called by aptitude or apt-get :) |
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| 19:21.29 | valdyn | engla: aptitude takes more cpu, thats all |
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| 19:24.58 | ghostman | pf |
| 19:25.29 | engla | probably. aptitude update is somehow unbearable. my harddrive is failing, and thus slow? Is that a common thing to happen? |
| 19:26.02 | engla | I don't think RAM is the issue. I only have 3/4ths of a Gig, but I keep a watch on programs so that they don't use too much |
| 19:26.05 | valdyn | engla: how are we supposed to answer your vague questions? |
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| 19:26.32 | engla | valdyn: by experience. The question was: Is it normal for failing (implied: old) harddrives to get slow? |
| 19:26.36 | valdyn | engla: are there any actual issues beside aptitude being slow? |
| 19:26.47 | valdyn | engla: old harddrives do not become slow |
| 19:26.53 | engla | valdyn: perhaps someones experience says 'no, one day they simply die, and before you don't notice' |
| 19:26.57 | engla | valdyn: so say that |
| 19:28.00 | engla | aptitude is not only slow, but the feeling is that every program stalls and I can't switch tabs or multitask at all. The time to completion of aptitude is not important at all, of course. |
| 19:28.20 | valdyn | engla: youre probably running out of memory |
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| 19:35.24 | zophy | is there anything extra special about the oftc debian channel ? |
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| 19:36.22 | petemc | zophy: no, for reasons explaing the move of irc.debian.org to oftc /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 19:43.46 | lvh | anyone know of any free (as in DFSG) browers based on Google Chrome's engine? |
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| 19:43.55 | lvh | (afaik this is Webkit + bunch of tweaks + V8) |
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| 19:44.53 | mavhc | doesn't chromium count? |
| 19:45.33 | abrotman | lvh: konqueror? epiphany-webkit? kashaskahe-webkit ? |
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| 19:48.57 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 19:49.02 | DelphiWorld | i have a internet speed problem |
| 19:49.08 | DelphiWorld | in my debian5 box |
| 19:49.32 | DelphiWorld | windows download speed for 100 to 150 KBPS but debian box only for 4kbps? |
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| 19:50.54 | abrotman | from where? |
| 19:51.20 | DelphiWorld | abra: from most web site, including debian security, freeswitch and ... |
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| 19:51.44 | DelphiWorld | lol now is 2KBPS;) |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | stop your bittorrents ? |
| 19:52.16 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: no actual other download |
| 19:52.22 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: except for my debian one;) |
| 19:52.32 | abrotman | stop them, restart them |
| 19:53.07 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: realy i'm trying that from 5 day |
| 19:53.26 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: and i'm realy afraid to say that;) |
| 19:53.35 | engla | lvh: strangest webkit browser is uzbl |
| 19:53.42 | rgr | ipv6 issue? |
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| 19:55.08 | lvh | engla: yeah i read about it |
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| 19:55.37 | lvh | engla: normalyl i like the unix philosophy but personally i like it when my browser knows how to do things |
| 19:55.45 | vi390 | hi, having a problem with php and mod_log_sql. having segfault errors.In http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_log_sql/docs-2.0/?chapter=/4/ its stated, to recompile php (using --with-mysql=/your/path) Its something I dont want to do, since I want it to be managed by apt. Has someone any other solution? |
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| 19:59.02 | `lazy | evening, i'm running irssi v. 0.8.14, when i connect to server i'm getting this msg: 22:56 -!- Irssi: critical g_hash_table_insert_internal: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed |
| 19:59.34 | `lazy | when i've connected and i'm joining to channel i get Segmentation fault |
| 19:59.37 | `lazy | any ideas ? |
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| 20:02.46 | murdoc-is-god | Is there a problem with creating an LVM2 physical volume out of a block device such as /dev/sdb instead of first creating a partition, then turning /dev/sdb1 into the PV? |
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| 20:05.19 | insaneinside | `lazy: Did your question ever get answered? The short answer is that there's probably a bug somewhere in irssi or a library it uses. |
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| 20:05.54 | engla | `lazy: I use version irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938) without crash |
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| 20:09.38 | simonrvn | bears11: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:10.07 | quagga | well that took care of that |
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| 20:10.10 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 20:18.03 | insaneinside | I'm interested in any clever schemes that would allow me to keep /etc and /var on my (non-root) RAID-ed userdata partition... |
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| 20:20.15 | insaneinside | Not entirely sure how to go about setting it up though, with boot-time file dependencies |
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| 20:21.43 | insaneinside | Tips/ideas? |
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| 20:27.29 | valdyn | insaneinside: clever? use bind mounts |
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| 20:28.11 | insaneinside | valdyn: already doing that elsewhere |
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| 20:28.17 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 20:28.19 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: no |
| 20:28.36 | valdyn | insaneinside: i dont see your problem then |
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| 20:29.30 | insaneinside | valdyn: fstab living on a partition listed in fstab is only a slight issue. ;) |
| 20:29.48 | insaneinside | is currently looking at initramfs |
| 20:30.00 | nootoyahora | I have just made apt-get update/dist-upgrade (on debian testing) and my openoffice has just end to work, when I try to start it wines and says "The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined." What the hell is going on? I have to end some spreadsheets for a report tomorrow and it does not work... |
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| 20:31.58 | fredl | hmm how come the output of this doesn't page: omega:~# strace -f /usr/local/sbin/libvirtd -v 2>&1|more |
| 20:31.58 | valdyn | nootoyahora: why are you not using stable when this is a production system? |
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| 20:32.18 | valdyn | nootoyahora: try in a terminal: "LC_ALL=C ooffice" |
| 20:32.34 | nootoyahora | valdyn, god question, but I think that my answer will not be a solution for my problem |
| 20:32.53 | musicalgenius | if im not planning on using my computer for much more than internet and typing stuff up, what do choose for software to install during the installation process? |
| 20:32.55 | nootoyahora | valdyn, do I try it as root? or as the current user? |
| 20:33.01 | valdyn | nootoyahora: current user |
| 20:33.23 | musicalgenius | right now only desktop environment and standard system are checked |
| 20:33.30 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: thats ok then |
| 20:33.37 | valdyn | gah |
| 20:33.41 | valdyn | musicalgenius: that's ok then |
| 20:33.42 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I'm afraid it says the same thing... |
| 20:33.58 | macrobat | musicalgenius: you will get the gnome environment |
| 20:34.03 | valdyn | nootoyahora: do you have your documents backed up somewhere safely? |
| 20:34.09 | musicalgenius | is that what i want? |
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| 20:34.21 | valdyn | musicalgenius: if you dont know what you want then it is what you want |
| 20:34.21 | nootoyahora | valdyn, yes |
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| 20:34.48 | murdoc-is-god | =D |
| 20:35.03 | valdyn | nootoyahora: ok. rm -r ~/.oopenoffice* ( or alternatively back that up too and move it away ) |
| 20:35.15 | musicalgenius | i saw some pretty cool video's on gnome today, but that was gnome 3... kde didnt look nearly as flashy or cool. what do i do for an older laptop? |
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| 20:35.29 | valdyn | musicalgenius: gnome 3 does not exist |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | musicalgenius: just keep going with that selection |
| 20:35.46 | musicalgenius | sure it does |
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| 20:35.58 | valdyn | musicalgenius: no it does not, what you saw is probably a mockup |
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| 20:36.12 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I have tried that, I renamed .openoffice .openoffice.org .openoffice.org2 to .old, and it did not work neither.. |
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| 20:36.39 | valdyn | nootoyahora: thats unfortunate, i dont know about any new openoffice breakage |
| 20:37.00 | abrotman | musicalgenius: URL for the videos ? |
| 20:37.10 | macrobat | nootoyahora: do you have the right language pkg for openoffice? there are a lot of those :) |
| 20:37.28 | nootoyahora | macrobat, it was the right before the updateing so... |
| 20:37.33 | musicalgenius | really? youtube it. |
| 20:38.06 | macrobat | nootoyahora: packages change sometimes |
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| 20:38.29 | nootoyahora | macrobat, maybe, but, which are the reight packages and how do I know it? |
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| 20:40.14 | macrobat | i dont know, for example i have the swedish openoffice.org-l10n-sv and openoffice.org-help-sv |
| 20:41.05 | valdyn | nootoyahora: run "aptitude -f install" |
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| 20:41.44 | abrotman | musicalgenius: i'm asking you for the URL to see which one you watched .. finding something else wouldn't help us |
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| 20:42.54 | abrotman | musicalgenius: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screencasts that ? |
| 20:44.06 | nootoyahora | valdyn, it only wants to remove packages, not install anything |
| 20:44.18 | valdyn | nootoyahora: show us |
| 20:44.31 | nootoyahora | valdyn, pastebin? |
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| 20:44.35 | valdyn | nootoyahora: yes |
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| 20:45.19 | nootoyahora | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d22e2d784 |
| 20:46.15 | valdyn | nootoyahora: ok, now what will it do on "aptitude install openoffice.org" ? |
| 20:47.48 | nootoyahora | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d123b9b7b |
| 20:48.49 | valdyn | nootoyahora: seems unrelated, i dont have a good idea |
| 20:49.01 | nootoyahora | valdyn, me neither |
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| 20:49.54 | nootoyahora | valdyn, maybe oemthing related to this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-621418.html |
| 20:50.27 | smacnay | Hi, is there a hold up in Debian sid with the evolution updates? libevolution5.0-cil and libgdl-1-0 seem to be awaiting dependencies. |
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| 20:51.46 | bio-tty | in what packet is the nice "convert" command to be found? |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | smacnay: BTS ? |
| 20:51.53 | abrotman | !tell bio-tty about apt-file |
| 20:51.54 | bio-tty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.10 | valdyn | smacnay: evolution installs fine, where does it depend on libgdl-1-0 ? |
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| 20:53.26 | kurg | why is dante not available for me in apt-get? |
| 20:53.30 | valdyn | smacnay: evolution does also not depend on libevolution5.0-cil, maybe vice versa |
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| 20:54.10 | bio-tty | hmm thanks better than dpkg -L |
| 20:54.23 | murdoc-is-god | Is there an easy way, when creating a logical volume, to make it expand to fill the entire capacity of the volume group? |
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| 20:54.52 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: -L1000000000000 will give you the max size |
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| 20:56.30 | smacnay | valdyn, libevolution5.0-cil: Depends: libcamel1.2-14 (< 2.27) but 2.28.0-2+b1 is to be installed. That seems to be holding up evolution update - this is Deb sid so I am not altogether surprised. |
| 20:56.33 | xeon-enouf | wait, aren't Logical extents an important factor there? |
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| 20:57.11 | xeon-enouf | especially if resizing an existing VG/LV ? |
| 20:57.14 | valdyn | smacnay: you dont need libevolution5.0-cil to run evolution |
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| 20:57.34 | valdyn | smacnay: you need libevolution5.0-cil for gnome-do and few more |
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| 20:58.45 | _Trinit_ | hi all |
| 20:59.22 | xeon-enouf | does anyone recall a binary named somewhat like |
| 20:59.28 | HeXiLeD | is the Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) Intel i8xx-based |
| 20:59.36 | xeon-enouf | bah "chkdupexe" ? |
| 20:59.41 | musicalgenius | abrotman, i dont know what that was, i was just surfing youtube and saw videos |
| 20:59.57 | xeon-enouf | i cannot find it at all - even on google |
| 20:59.59 | valdyn | smacnay: run "apt-cache rdepends libevolution5.0-cil". IF you need none of those programs you can remove libevolution5.0-cil |
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| 21:00.11 | ctmjr | suspects murdoc is not god or he could create the volume or better yet would not need it |
| 21:00.31 | _Trinit_ | I instaled network-manager-gnome and it's not in my LXDE or openbox menu syste, nor can I find it in usr/bin. Anyone know where it installs and under what command it starts up to? network-manager-gnome doesn't do a thing |
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| 21:00.45 | valdyn | _Trinit_: run "nm-applet" |
| 21:00.47 | azeem | _Trinit_: it's an notification-tray applet |
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| 21:01.25 | _Trinit_ | never heard of it, but thanks |
| 21:01.52 | xeon-enouf | isthis no longer valid murdoc-is-god ? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/index.html |
| 21:02.28 | smacnay | valdyn, the libevolution5.0-cil apparently allows ev to work with mono apps |
| 21:02.46 | xeon-enouf | "Different extent sizes means different VG granularity. For instance, if you choose an extent size of 4GB, you can only shrink/extend LVs in steps of 4GB" though i realize you don't want to "shrink" |
| 21:02.49 | valdyn | smacnay: indeed |
| 21:02.54 | smacnay | valdyn, thanks - that last post was late in coming (mine) due to a child emergency ::) |
| 21:03.24 | mhymn | xeon-enouf: was that a joke about chkdupexe?!? i thought you couldn't really find it |
| 21:03.40 | xeon-enouf | just highlight 'extents' on that page and read |
| 21:03.42 | smacnay | valdyn, the only one dependency that I use is gfax, but not enough to keep it on the machine right now |
| 21:03.45 | murdoc-is-god | xeon-enouf: I use the default extent size |
| 21:03.51 | murdoc-is-god | isn't that 4MiB? |
| 21:03.54 | murdoc-is-god | Should I change it? |
| 21:03.57 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: no |
| 21:03.58 | smacnay | valdyn, and beagle-backend-evolution |
| 21:04.14 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: why would you change defaults? |
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| 21:04.24 | murdoc-is-god | I don't know. |
| 21:04.27 | daemon | Is there a chap named dondelelcaro around |
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| 21:04.35 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: my incantations suck in my searches, please enlighten this frustrated user |
| 21:04.37 | murdoc-is-god | enouf brought it up.... |
| 21:04.54 | mhymn | xeon-enouf: well! it should be there, in util-linux package which is probably installed already |
| 21:04.59 | xeon-enouf | !blame xeon-enouf |
| 21:05.00 | dpkg | blames DDave and xeon-enouf for the end of culture as we know it |
| 21:05.08 | DDave | wuuut :( |
| 21:05.11 | DDave | nt my fauuulllt |
| 21:05.15 | DDave | *commits suicide* |
| 21:05.25 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: i guess i forgot a 'k' |
| 21:05.38 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: is it a 32-bit or 64-bit system? |
| 21:05.50 | paxcoder | DDave: NT is your fault !!??!? |
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| 21:06.03 | DDave | OOOOOOOMG Nooooo :( |
| 21:06.08 | DDave | I created NT.. |
| 21:06.10 | DDave | I'm a monster |
| 21:06.22 | paxcoder | lol :_D |
| 21:06.26 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: thank you for earthing me :-) |
| 21:06.35 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: 64-bit through and through |
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| 21:07.22 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: then you dont have to change the extent size i think |
| 21:08.53 | murdoc-is-god | valdyn: Why is microarchitecture a determining factor? |
| 21:09.16 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: because the integer size is different |
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| 21:11.47 | lexr | can someone please tell me what to put in servers to start in gdmsetup in security tab configure X servedr button? I deleted default and now gdm wont start normally??? |
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| 21:14.12 | rgr | Can anyone tell me how tp stop gnome starting the gnome-panel on login please? |
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| 21:14.50 | valdyn | rgr: run gnome-session-properties |
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| 21:16.02 | rgr | says it cant connect to session manager |
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| 21:17.36 | _Trinit_ | valdyn: I assume that gnome specific applet. I'm running LXDE amd don't see it as being addable to my panel. Is tthere any other way of accessing the network manager? |
| 21:17.53 | valdyn | _Trinit_: its not gnome specific |
| 21:18.02 | valdyn | _Trinit_: it just needs a systray |
| 21:18.39 | valdyn | trayer - lightweight GTK2-based systray for UNIX desktop |
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| 21:20.40 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: i thought for a moment - i had my own personalized NSA rootkit installed ;-) |
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| 21:22.00 | fredl | god this kvm stuff is difficult... |
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| 21:25.10 | abrotman | fredl: you sohld play with it in a VM |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | hides |
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| 21:25.54 | fredl | ;) |
| 21:26.11 | fredl | it's easy to set it up... |
| 21:26.21 | xeon-enouf | fredl: kvm == shiznitz |
| 21:26.26 | mhymn | xeon-enouf: which wondered me too :) |
| 21:26.41 | fredl | but sometimes an apt-get install <anypackage> really hides the complexity |
| 21:26.49 | fredl | shiznitz? |
| 21:26.53 | fredl | whassat? |
| 21:26.57 | xeon-enouf | mhymn: i was buggin there for a bit ;0 |
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| 21:27.11 | xeon-enouf | fredl: something non-dutch :-p |
| 21:27.24 | xeon-enouf | complexity? |
| 21:27.40 | xeon-enouf | it's a mixture of perl + c and you wonder why? |
| 21:27.40 | fredl | "the coolest, awsomest thing you could ever think of. this thing is beyond the coolest thing you can think of. " |
| 21:28.05 | fredl | shiznitz |
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| 21:28.14 | fredl | also knows urbandictionary |
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| 21:28.19 | winrid | hi all |
| 21:28.26 | fredl | hello winrid. |
| 21:28.27 | musicalgenius | how do i figure out what the path is for my hd with windows on it so i can add it to the menu.lst? |
| 21:28.32 | winrid | hello fredl |
| 21:28.42 | fredl | hello again winrid. |
| 21:28.51 | winrid | hello again fredl |
| 21:29.25 | fredl | shiznitz - a shitty bitch |
| 21:29.25 | winrid | Musicalgenius I can help you |
| 21:29.33 | fredl | or did you mean that one xeon-enouf ? |
| 21:29.36 | musicalgenius | sweet |
| 21:29.42 | winrid | But I won't enjoy it |
| 21:29.45 | winrid | lol |
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| 21:30.00 | musicalgenius | cuz i just installed debian, but my dad needs to use the same computer for windows |
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| 21:30.10 | winrid | Is Windows already isntalled? |
| 21:30.12 | winrid | *installed? |
| 21:30.14 | musicalgenius | yeah |
| 21:30.27 | valdyn | murdoc-is-god: "fdisk -l | grep NTFS" should bring something |
| 21:30.28 | winrid | Ok |
| 21:30.39 | musicalgenius | its a fresh install tho so im not concerned |
| 21:30.43 | valdyn | oh whats up with this tab-completion |
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| 21:30.48 | valdyn | musicalgenius: ^^ |
| 21:30.56 | musicalgenius | oh |
| 21:30.57 | musicalgenius | thanks |
| 21:31.05 | winrid | And you installed Grub over the Windows bootloader? |
| 21:31.10 | fredl | well unless your fresh install went over the windows install that is. |
| 21:31.33 | winrid | musicalgenius: can you post the output of "fdisk -l"? |
| 21:31.58 | musicalgenius | fdisk says command not found |
| 21:32.00 | winrid | I'm running PcLinuxOS, but the Grub setup is the same.. |
| 21:32.04 | winrid | err |
| 21:32.08 | winrid | are you in Windows or Linux? |
| 21:32.10 | xeon-enouf | musicalgenius: root |
| 21:32.24 | xeon-enouf | musicalgenius: or sudo |
| 21:32.27 | winrid | musicalgenius: run "fdisk -l" as root |
| 21:32.31 | winrid | musicalgenius: sudo =ass |
| 21:32.54 | winrid | and post the output plz |
| 21:33.06 | fredl | sudo =ass ? |
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| 21:33.09 | musicalgenius | sudo is being retard |
| 21:33.12 | winrid | lol |
| 21:33.21 | winrid | fredl: see my point? lol. |
| 21:33.36 | xeon-enouf | musicalgenius: you;re doing it wrong - just 'su root' |
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| 21:33.41 | musicalgenius | it said something about privacy and reporting to my admin lol |
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| 21:33.46 | loca|host | hello all |
| 21:33.51 | winrid | musicalgenius: Run "su" |
| 21:34.05 | winrid | musicalgenius: and then run "fdisk -l" |
| 21:34.10 | loca|host | how to know if my server reached its maximum open sockets and it's queuing new requests ? |
| 21:34.26 | winrid | local|host: You'll be fucked. |
| 21:34.27 | xeon-enouf | realizes musicalgenius is just a user on someone |
| 21:34.31 | xeon-enouf | s domain |
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| 21:34.51 | fredl | Do these announcers ever shut the fuck up? Don't ever say stuff just because you think you should. That's the definition of an asshole. |
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| 21:35.12 | sajes | fredl: You watching golf? :p |
| 21:35.19 | loca|host | winrid, thx for the advice :) |
| 21:35.21 | azeem | fredl: what are you talking about? |
| 21:35.24 | musicalgmoney | i figured it would help to be on the right computer |
| 21:35.25 | fredl | no, reading shitmydadsays on twitter. |
| 21:35.37 | azeem | fredl: how is this relevant for Debian support? |
| 21:36.00 | musicalgmoney | should i paste in what i got from fdisk -l? |
| 21:36.01 | winrid | loca|host: you're welcome. But seriously, Apache should start spawning lots of processes in such a scenario. |
| 21:36.11 | winrid | musicalgenius: That would be the point, yes. :) |
| 21:36.15 | musicalgmoney | debian:/home/andy# fdisk -l |
| 21:36.15 | musicalgmoney | Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes |
| 21:36.15 | musicalgmoney | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders |
| 21:36.15 | musicalgmoney | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 21:36.15 | musicalgmoney | Disk identifier: 0x1549f232 |
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| 21:36.32 | fredl | that was probably some poor advice. |
| 21:36.51 | musicalgenius | oops lol |
| 21:36.53 | winrid | musicalgenius: Is that everything fdisk said? |
| 21:37.08 | musicalgenius | no it kicked me |
| 21:37.14 | musicalgenius | that was half of everything |
| 21:37.16 | fredl | pastebin.ca |
| 21:37.18 | winrid | fredl: My advice? |
| 21:37.34 | winrid | musicalgenius: paste it to pastebin.ca and link us to it plz |
| 21:37.37 | fredl | yes, pasting the whole output of fdisk -l |
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| 21:37.58 | musicalgenius | i have a sda1 = 250gigs (windows) and a hdd1-5 and thats the linux part |
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| 21:38.37 | winrid | brb |
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| 21:39.05 | starenka | hi! my X is extremaly unstable. it restarts from time to time and it takes ~60%cpu while scrolling page in browser. I googled million pages w/ same behaviour - it's intel gm960/965 and xserver-xorg-video-intell problem (at least i think). what should i do? try to get X and video drivers from newer release? (running lenny) and how to do it elegantely and safely (hwo to revert back, if necesarry?). tx for suggestions |
| 21:39.06 | winrid | musicalgenius: my email is sparrow@directoryadmin.info |
| 21:39.06 | musicalgenius | pastebin.ca/1581879 |
| 21:39.27 | winrid | musicalgenius: I have to go eat. Email me if you don't get it fixed :) |
| 21:39.43 | starenka | apologies for his english & typos |
| 21:39.44 | musicalgenius | k |
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| 21:39.56 | musicalgenius | anyone else wanna take a stab at helping? |
| 21:41.28 | valdyn | !intel slow scrolling |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 21:41.35 | valdyn | starenka: try this ^^ |
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| 21:41.49 | starenka | valdyn: i've done that :( |
| 21:42.09 | valdyn | starenka: changes nothing? |
| 21:42.52 | starenka | valdyn: lemme see more closely...i switched to xaa, but have to diff it |
| 21:43.23 | loca|host | winrid, it's not an apache-related issue ... my server is not responding for some querys for a laps of time (querys like ssh, http and telnet ...) and what is fucking me off is that it's responding to other clients ... so am not able to get the problem ... |
| 21:43.26 | valdyn | starenka: the difference should be quite obvious when scrolling |
| 21:43.32 | loca|host | there's no firewalll ... |
| 21:43.46 | _Trinit_ | m-applet >> "Service is not allowed its own service" ?? |
| 21:44.15 | starenka | valdyn: have this... http://openpaste.org/en/16959/ will try yours tho |
| 21:45.05 | valdyn | starenka: most of this stuff you have there is redundant |
| 21:46.00 | starenka | valdyn: ok. will be back in a sec (restarting x) |
| 21:46.14 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: i thought UXA was the new thing? |
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| 21:46.50 | xeon-enouf | ya know; KMS, etc |
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| 21:47.56 | starenka | valdyn: nothing at all (kwin/compiz) |
| 21:48.02 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: but he is running lenny |
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| 21:48.05 | starenka | valdyn: still taking helova cpu |
| 21:48.14 | valdyn | starenka: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 21:48.35 | starenka | "yes" |
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| 21:48.58 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: ok - did not know - i thought that perhaps, afterwards |
| 21:49.24 | winrid | im back |
| 21:49.30 | starenka | valdyn: direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:49.32 | winrid | loca|host u still there? |
| 21:49.33 | xeon-enouf | winrid: nobody cares |
| 21:49.37 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
| 21:49.46 | valdyn | starenka: yea, i saw |
| 21:49.48 | winrid | xeon-enouf: Obviously you do. |
| 21:49.50 | starenka | sorry |
| 21:50.02 | xeon-enouf | winrid: i wouldn't smile if i did |
| 21:50.22 | winrid | xeon-enouf: Fair enough. I frown, then. |
| 21:50.24 | loca|host | yes |
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| 21:50.50 | winrid | loca|host: I had a similar issue. I fixed it by installing firestarter on the client and stopping the firewal.. |
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| 21:51.10 | loca|host | i have no firewall .. |
| 21:51.16 | loca|host | let me check firestarter |
| 21:51.29 | winrid | loca|host: You use Linux? You have IPTABLES firewall in kernel. |
| 21:51.49 | loca|host | winrid, yes but no rules |
| 21:51.59 | starenka | iptabels rules |
| 21:52.12 | starenka | (sorry i had to) |
| 21:52.15 | winrid | lol |
| 21:52.49 | valdyn | starenka: ok, i965 might not be affected by the XAA thing. You might have to upgrade to get decent performance |
| 21:52.55 | winrid | loca|host: sometimes they are disabled by default.. .. |
| 21:53.09 | loca|host | winrid, am tcpdumping right now, the problem is not catcheable at all times, so am sitting and waiting my server to not to respond my client, i'll check then the tcpdump and get the place where my packets end of |
| 21:53.17 | valdyn | starenka: or maybe you shouldnt use compiz |
| 21:53.20 | starenka | valdyn: well, i dont preciselly know if i have 960 or965 :( |
| 21:53.53 | winrid | starenka: I had the issue where Xorg was using 100% cpu usage on both 3ghz cores. I fixed it by switching to KDE... |
| 21:54.12 | starenka | valdyn: hm, but it happens also when using kwin... (and yes, im quite used to compiz - wouldn't leave it behind) |
| 21:54.26 | winrid | starenka: Specifically, I switched to PcLinuxOS :) |
| 21:54.40 | valdyn | starenka: so maybe upgrade to testing, but you cannot easily revert |
| 21:54.42 | loca|host | ok i got it, packets are sent from the client, the server has no response, not at all ... |
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| 21:54.47 | loca|host | even not an ACK |
| 21:55.12 | winrid | loca|host: I'm not a network specialist, sorry. :) |
| 21:55.23 | winrid | loca|host: I just know no packets = bad. lol. |
| 21:55.24 | starenka | valdyn: i'm a debian noob... i picked lenny couse i've seen it's kde 3 there, is kde 3 also in testing? |
| 21:55.51 | loca|host | :) no problem dude |
| 21:56.00 | valdyn | starenka: nope |
| 21:56.00 | winrid | starenka: try changing your Xorg version if you feel brave. |
| 21:56.20 | starenka | well, i feel outraged |
| 21:56.23 | starenka | does it count? |
| 21:57.01 | winrid | starenka: Heh, try Debian Etch. I find it much better for some reasons. |
| 21:57.19 | winrid | starenka: Or you could just use the CLI... |
| 21:57.35 | starenka | if you finished being clever... :)) |
| 21:57.52 | loca|host | winrid, is "iptables -L" sufficient to check the fw rules ? |
| 21:57.53 | valdyn | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:57.54 | judd | valdyn: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 squeeze: 2:2.8.1-1 sid: 2:2.8.1-2 experimental: 2:2.8.99.902-1 |
| 21:58.02 | valdyn | to bad, nothing on backports |
| 21:58.21 | winrid | loca|host: I'm not fimiliar with IPtables commands... :( try |
| 21:58.33 | winrid | "man iptables" or something |
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| 21:58.49 | starenka | valdyn: does xorg-core also apllies here? or just video-intel? |
| 21:58.55 | winrid | loca|host: are your ports forwarded? Can you ping any other pcs in the house? |
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| 21:59.10 | valdyn | starenka: im not sure what you mean |
| 21:59.14 | winrid | loca|host: Can they ping you back? lol. |
| 21:59.22 | gOLDfeesh | Is this Debian http://imagebin.ca/img/x0bZ-xY.png ?? |
| 21:59.26 | valdyn | starenka: you mainly need a newer intel driver to try a newer intel driver |
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| 21:59.41 | valdyn | starenka: and the one in squeeze or sids are not that easy to backport |
| 21:59.55 | starenka | i see |
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| 22:00.06 | starenka | too much deps? |
| 22:00.13 | loca|host | winrid, both servers (client/server) are in lan, forget about forwarding :) |
| 22:00.19 | loca|host | the ping works |
| 22:00.32 | winrid | gOLDfeesh: Doesn't look like it.... |
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| 22:00.50 | winrid | gOLDfeesh: But you really can't tell from a screenshot. You can make it look like anything. |
| 22:01.24 | gOLDfeesh | winrid, okay. ty. I'm looking for the wm because I really like that lol. |
| 22:01.38 | winrid | loca|host: Heh. |
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| 22:01.57 | winrid | gOLDfeesh: Looks like Fluxbox or Openbox to me. |
| 22:01.57 | starenka | valdyn: is there any way how to get the driver from squeeze/sid into lenny? |
| 22:02.25 | valdyn | gOLDfeesh: debian has no fixed look |
| 22:02.34 | valdyn | starenka: i havent tried it |
| 22:03.24 | gOLDfeesh | winrid, yah it's openbox |
| 22:03.38 | valdyn | its metacity |
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| 22:03.51 | winrid | valdyn: metacity my ass. |
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| 22:04.31 | winrid | starenka: copy and paste? lol. |
| 22:04.56 | starenka | winrid: eh? |
| 22:05.07 | winrid | starenka: joke. |
| 22:05.15 | mhymn | gOLDfeesh: in case you're in love with that panel like me, it's tint2 |
| 22:05.24 | catsup | starenka: check for a kernel in backports |
| 22:05.28 | winrid | mhymn: yay. |
| 22:05.30 | gOLDfeesh | mhymn, ty |
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| 22:06.03 | winrid | bbl going on ET |
| 22:06.06 | starenka | catsup: yep theres a new one, but it behaves bad when resuming from ram :( |
| 22:06.12 | winrid | =AM= nq xp save server.. |
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| 22:06.36 | gOLDfeesh | mhymn, do you a link to it? |
| 22:06.38 | catsup | starenka: what kind of suspend are you using, you might try a different one |
| 22:06.49 | catsup | starenka: there are multiple implementatinos |
| 22:07.19 | mhymn | gOLDfeesh: http://code.google.com/p/tint2/ |
| 22:07.40 | gOLDfeesh | YUS! you rock |
| 22:07.41 | starenka | catsup: hmmyou think i have to switch resume method because of going from 2.6.26-2-686 to 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 ? |
| 22:08.26 | sphenxes | I would like to build at least 2 servers (Apache and FTP) using VirtualBox. Debian is both guest and host. I would like to transfer data between the virtual machines using FTP. According to what I understand NAT connection on virtualbox can't do it. And bridge connection can be done only between on virtual machine and the host. what is your suggetions. Second Can i build apache server on virtualbox using NAT connection? |
| 22:08.38 | gOLDfeesh | openbox3,so .. openbox lol. |
| 22:08.53 | mhymn | gOLDfeesh: tint2 installs and works fine in lenny, but that screenshot is probably crunchbang linux fwiw |
| 22:09.10 | catsup | starenka: if your suspend implementation is buggy, you might use a different implementation to work around the bug |
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| 22:09.44 | terrorpup | sphenxes: Why not just set up a share folder between the guess and the host. Then it would show up like a mount point. |
| 22:09.48 | starenka | catsup: well it works in the old kernel, you think the new kernel solves the x-video-intel problem? |
| 22:09.50 | catsup | starenka: or you might try to solve the problem... |
| 22:10.23 | catsup | starenka: i don't know what the x-video-intel problem is, but the changes between kernels are documented |
| 22:10.31 | gOLDfeesh | Right now I'm running Ubuntu because it's for my laptop... |
| 22:10.43 | gOLDfeesh | I don't think that my laptop can support debian lol. |
| 22:11.02 | gOLDfeesh | it's an old HP Pavilion dv6105ca |
| 22:11.07 | sphenxes | terrorpup, ic. do you think that Apache Server or FTP server can work on virtualbox using NAT connection? |
| 22:11.53 | catsup | oh man, you guys are going to be stuck here a while |
| 22:13.04 | catsup | sphenxes: it's not clear what you mean, but in any case, the answer is yes |
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| 22:15.31 | sphenxes | catsup, i have build ftp server (vsftp) and it was working fine. I have decided to do the same but under virtualbox (Nat Nic) and debain both guest and host. I can't connect to my FTP server (on the guest) computer. Someone told me that is because the NAT connection. you can't ping the virtual machine |
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| 22:18.00 | starenka | valdyn: aptitude -t experimental install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:18.03 | starenka | prays |
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| 22:20.48 | Pnux | has there been any reports of Kmix setting the master volume to 0 and muted everytime debian is started using KDE4? |
| 22:21.01 | Pnux | that you know of |
| 22:21.23 | markybob | Pnux, do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 22:21.33 | Pnux | markybob: yes i do |
| 22:21.40 | simonrvn | "debian" starts even before you see kde4, so i dunno wth you're talking about. |
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| 22:22.49 | Pnux | simonrvn: i was using "start" as to "when the system is usable", i guess i should have used loaded. |
| 22:23.06 | simonrvn | never mind... |
| 22:25.11 | catsup | sphenxes: check the virtualbox docs, i'm sure they specify how to set up a network connection |
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| 22:25.52 | sphenxes | thanks |
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| 22:30.14 | gOLDfeesh | !live |
| 22:30.15 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). |
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| 22:31.59 | gOLDfeesh | boo.. I was looking for a LiceCD .. kinda like "Try before you install" |
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| 22:35.34 | alsd | hands gOLDfeesh the debootstrap manual |
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| 22:35.55 | mesa_booger | i tried a licecd. it was a bit buggy |
| 22:36.18 | alsd | gOLDfeesh: if you want an install option on debian live, I can bring it to you for an undisclosed amount. ;) |
| 22:36.28 | krushik | I have a lot of "fopen: Permission denied" messages after installing packages at vserver VPS |
| 22:36.50 | krushik | this messages are coming after "Processing triggers for man-db" |
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| 22:37.10 | m01 | hi |
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| 22:38.25 | m01 | you know I just installed network-manager-gnome, couldn't access it via GUI and so I uninstaled it. The uninstall leaves me without internect connectivity. Will I get it back after rebooting? |
| 22:38.28 | krushik | how can I localise the problem? |
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| 22:39.23 | krushik | m01, what type of connection do you have? |
| 22:39.29 | m01 | dsl |
| 22:39.32 | m01 | cable |
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| 22:40.18 | krushik | through router of directly? |
| 22:40.24 | m01 | I want to --purge-unused too |
| 22:40.30 | m01 | yeah, srtaight to the router |
| 22:40.49 | krushik | or*) |
| 22:40.52 | krushik | ok |
| 22:41.07 | krushik | everything will be ok after reboot |
| 22:41.12 | gOLDfeesh | alsd that works for me |
| 22:41.15 | m01 | k, thanks |
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| 22:41.56 | m01 | can someone recommend a network manager with automatic proxy capability, that doesn't necesitate an applet? |
| 22:42.33 | m01 | I'll be back |
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| 22:44.50 | mesa_booger | wicd springs to mind |
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| 22:46.48 | insaneinside | Hmm? Does NM require an applet to run? |
| 22:47.08 | insaneinside | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.56 | insaneinside | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.19 | azeem | no, but NM is rather cumbersome to control via D-Bus directly |
| 22:48.33 | krushik | chown -R man:root /var/cache/man solved the problem, thanks |
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| 22:54.31 | _Trinity_ | I'm back rebooted and have connectivity but I can't ping google.com or debian.org |
| 22:54.56 | _Trinity_ | gets stuck at "PING debian.org (128.31.0.51) 56(84) bytes of data." |
| 22:55.00 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:55.12 | _Trinity_ | g' nigh |
| 22:55.13 | _Trinity_ | t |
| 22:55.19 | azeem | _Trinity_: can you ping your gateway? |
| 22:55.42 | _Trinity_ | my router? |
| 22:55.45 | azeem | yes |
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| 22:58.07 | _Trinity_ | pinging the straight ip gives me "11 packects transmitte ... 100% packet loss" |
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| 22:58.43 | abrotman | _Trinity_: are you using DHCP or static? |
| 22:58.52 | azeem | _Trinity_: the ip of your router? |
| 22:59.13 | _Trinity_ | hold on. I remember I set the thing to static |
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| 23:00.27 | _Trinity_ | I'm going to try resetting it |
| 23:01.09 | elik | I don't have the System->Preference->Session entry, which package should I get for that? |
| 23:01.32 | mesa_booger | would that be gnome ? |
| 23:01.35 | elik | yeah |
| 23:02.01 | mesa_booger | i'm only guessing but maybe gnome-session |
| 23:02.25 | elik | well, that's the thing, I have the package installed |
| 23:02.28 | alsd | elik: i remember it having to go with gdm too |
| 23:03.02 | elik | I probably have that one installed too |
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| 23:03.25 | abrotman | how did you install gnome ? |
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| 23:03.44 | mesa_booger | elik: try gnome-session-bin |
| 23:03.50 | elik | abrotman, with the net install, back in etch |
| 23:04.08 | elik | mesa_booger, got it too |
| 23:04.20 | abrotman | elik: not really what i meant ... `aptitude install gnome-core` .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 23:04.49 | elik | I have the startup-program entry, which is what I need, but I still find weird |
| 23:04.53 | elik | abrotman, yes, but it's broken |
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| 23:05.10 | abrotman | why is it broken? |
| 23:05.10 | elik | abrotman, broken: gnome-accessibility gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:05.25 | abrotman | elik: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 23:05.38 | elik | abrotman, some more package will be removed and none installed |
| 23:05.44 | elik | abrotman, squeeze |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | elik: i think the gnome 2.26 is partially in squeeze |
| 23:06.12 | elik | abrotman, yeah, part of it is being held back on upgrade |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | you'll probably want to `aptitude install gnome` and see what it wants to do |
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| 23:06.50 | streuner_ | most parts in unstable now... |
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| 23:07.15 | streuner_ | 2.28 |
| 23:07.28 | abrotman | except he's using squeeze |
| 23:07.42 | markybob | you get a medal for the most unrelated comment of the last five minutes |
| 23:07.52 | streuner_ | abrotman: that should be soon in testing? |
| 23:07.57 | elik | I guess I'lll just wait a little bit |
| 23:08.12 | elik | gnome-core is holding back gnome-accessibility |
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| 23:09.20 | abrotman | elik: when is the last time you did `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` ? |
| 23:09.42 | elik | abrotman, well, very long ago, I tend not to use it |
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| 23:09.59 | elik | abrotman, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade when going from lenny to squeeze |
| 23:10.05 | elik | sometime around Feb 14 |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | elik: notice i'm using aptitude .. you probably should be too |
| 23:10.26 | elik | abrotman, I am now |
| 23:10.44 | elik | abrotman, since I've been told it was the recommended way of doing things now |
| 23:10.55 | themill | elik: you may also want to /msg dpkg full-upgrade |
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| 23:12.07 | elik | Cool, I'll read what those |
| 23:12.11 | elik | And try to do a full-upgrade |
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| 23:12.24 | elik | some packages are holding back, but I guess I don't need so much |
| 23:12.46 | elik | anyhow, dinner time, thanks for the pointers |
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| 23:18.33 | g00se | Any faster combo than RealVNC server on Windows and xtightvncviewer on Debian? |
| 23:18.57 | _KaszpiR_ | ultravnc |
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| 23:19.00 | kryl | hi |
| 23:19.01 | kryl | how to control different session of firefox by remote command line please ? |
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| 23:22.16 | markybob | kryl, you dont. but that's offtopic, anyway. try irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 23:22.40 | kryl | woops |
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| 23:22.56 | g00se | _KaszpiR_: Thanks, i'll look into it |
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| 23:23.36 | abrotman | g00se: there is also tightvnc/ultravnc for windows |
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| 23:28.54 | Tired | thre is? |
| 23:29.01 | Tired | is it free? |
| 23:29.06 | g00se | abrotman: Thanks. Just getting it |
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| 23:36.04 | macrobat | what does "{a}" mean at the end of pkgs to be installed? |
| 23:36.26 | streuner_ | in aptitude? |
| 23:36.45 | Arrowmaster | marked as automatically installed |
| 23:36.49 | macrobat | ok |
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| 23:37.33 | little_owl | How to find out which package contains the known file? (I'm a stupid rpm guy ...) |
| 23:37.53 | streuner_ | little_owl: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:38.47 | little_owl | It works only if the package is installed ... or am I wrong? |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | !tell little_owl about apt-file |
| 23:39.14 | streuner_ | apt-file works without installed package... |
| 23:39.14 | little_owl | Thanks! |
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| 23:43.35 | macrobat | do i have to do apt-file update to have apt-listbugs show recent bugs? |
| 23:44.16 | g00se | thinks that Ultravnc could be somewhat faster than RealVNC and seems to be zero-install too ... |
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| 23:46.13 | Jill | hi, my debian system fails when i resize windows or scroll web-page... |
| 23:46.20 | Jill | what can i do? |
| 23:46.47 | winrid | Jill: What do you mean it "fails"? |
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| 23:47.18 | badiane | is here a standard procedure to change encryption from md5 to blowfish . |
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| 23:47.28 | Jill | winrid: everything stops... keyboard doesnt work and mouse |
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| 23:48.00 | Jill | winrid: but i see my desktop anyway, just everything stucks |
| 23:48.28 | Jill | ctrl+alt+backspace does not work too |
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| 23:49.00 | badiane | jill: does you caps lock work |
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| 23:49.33 | Jill | badiane: now - yes, but if it happens - bo |
| 23:49.36 | Jill | no* |
| 23:50.15 | winrid | Jill: This is called a "kernel panic". Try using a different kernel (upgrade) |
| 23:50.24 | Mark17 | hello, I run debian lenny (64 bit) and now I did install drbd (using apt-get install drbd8-utils drbd8-source). at a certain moment I need to do modprobe drbd and at that moment I get the error: FATAL: Module drbd not found. |
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| 23:51.19 | Jill | winrid: is 2.6.26 a good choise? |
| 23:51.31 | winrid | Jill: Yes. |
| 23:51.34 | badiane | Mark17: grep -i drdb /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep |
| 23:52.16 | Mark17 | badiane: no results (just getting a new line without any lines that are returned) |
| 23:52.43 | badiane | then the drdb is not present as a module |
| 23:52.48 | badiane | for your running kernel |
| 23:52.52 | Jill | winrid: maybe i have old video system or something, because i have 2.6.26 and its not helping |
| 23:53.07 | Jill | how to know? |
| 23:53.31 | winrid | Jill: what version of debian? |
| 23:53.41 | Mark17 | badiane: is there a way so I could check for what kernel it is available? So I could upgrade to that kernel |
| 23:53.44 | badiane | Mark17: did you compile it |
| 23:53.56 | Jill | winrid: i have Debian 5 Lenny i guess |
| 23:53.58 | badiane | hold on let me check something |
| 23:53.59 | Mark17 | badiane: like I did say: I did use apt-get to install it |
| 23:54.32 | Jill | winrid: do u need some information about devices or more? |
| 23:54.43 | badiane | Mark17: didn't see that |
| 23:54.46 | winrid | Jill: No... have you recently install graphics drivers or have you updated? |
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| 23:55.28 | badiane | Mark17: you install the source or a pre-compiled module for your running kernel |
| 23:55.54 | badiane | Mark17: s/install/installed/ |
| 23:55.54 | Jill | winrid: i have new updates, but i dont have any drivers |
| 23:55.57 | Arrowmaster | Mark17: try apt-get install module-assistant; module-assistant auto-install drbd |
| 23:56.12 | winrid | Jill: what type of video card do you have? |
| 23:56.44 | badiane | has anyone used blowfish instead of md5 |
| 23:56.53 | Jill | winrid: i have an 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 23:56.53 | badiane | or is anyone using it now |
| 23:57.12 | winrid | Jill: Ahh you have a Radeon X1200 |
| 23:57.32 | winrid | Jill: have you attempted using a different desktop envoironment such as Gnome or KDE or Fluxbox? |
| 23:57.33 | Jill | winrid: yes, i think its good chip |
| 23:57.53 | phobos | lol |
| 23:58.08 | winrid | phobos: What's so funny? |
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| 23:58.21 | Jill | winrid: i use only gnome now, but i past i have this problem with kde 3.5.10 |
| 23:58.35 | badiane | jill: have you checked the logs to see if there is anything posted there? |
| 23:58.39 | winrid | Jill: Have you attempted to boot a livecd and check your filesystem with "fsck" ? |
| 23:58.46 | Jill | phobos: sorry about my english... |
| 23:58.56 | phobos | winrid: "good chip" doesn't usually come to mind when thinking of ati. |
| 23:59.07 | winrid | phobos: lol, I understand. |
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| 23:59.58 | Jill | winrid: i dont have any live cd now |
