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| 00:00.13 | Jill | can i do it in this installation? |
| 00:00.14 | phobos | Jill: No need to apologize. I was just laughing about the ati part given my past experiences. |
| 00:00.39 | Jill | badiane: i dont know what logs i need to check |
| 00:00.47 | matt7676 | Am I right, that grub shell "find" can only find files from /boot directory? |
| 00:00.55 | winrid | /var/log/syslog |
| 00:01.10 | Jill | winrid: just a sec |
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| 00:01.19 | winrid | kk |
| 00:01.24 | badiane | jill: if you are having X problems, It logs in /var/log/ |
| 00:01.26 | Mark17 | Arrowmaster: trying that now |
| 00:01.53 | badiane | winrid: if there are X errors it will have it's own log under /var/log |
| 00:02.18 | Jill | there is to many strings =) |
| 00:02.36 | Jill | everything about all in system what i have |
| 00:02.38 | badiane | you can also switch to a termianl alt-ctrl-{1..6} |
| 00:02.47 | badiane | use tail /var/log/<logfile> |
| 00:03.03 | badiane | jill: tail -35 /var/log/<logfile> |
| 00:03.10 | Jill | badiane: after this problem i can do that, and i dont know why |
| 00:03.29 | badiane | jill is that the only machine that you have |
| 00:04.18 | Jill | zerone:/home/jillsmitt# jill tail -35 /var/log/syslog |
| 00:04.18 | Jill | bash: jill: command not found |
| 00:04.19 | Jill | hehe |
| 00:04.23 | badiane | jill: sometimes when X freezes it doesn't mean that the system can't be accessed via ssh |
| 00:04.32 | Jill | wait |
| 00:04.40 | badiane | :-) |
| 00:04.42 | Jill | you're so fast thinking |
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| 00:04.51 | Jill | and typing |
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| 00:05.36 | Jill | tail prints smaller count of strings but many =) |
| 00:06.04 | Jill | about 50 strings... |
| 00:06.14 | badiane | jill: the 35 states that only 35 lines should be returned |
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| 00:06.33 | Jill | oh.. 35 then |
| 00:06.37 | badiane | jill: without hte number it will show 10. But the log that you need is really Xorg.0.log |
| 00:06.47 | mortsmel | What is a application that watches the network interfaces for disconnects, etc |
| 00:06.48 | badiane | jill: that's X's log. |
| 00:06.55 | CodeNinja | I'm not sure where to ask this, but this seems like the right place to start. I've got a web srver running in my local network, whos domains are down, but I still need to work on the information stored on it (which is easy from my linux box), but I need to be able view it as if it was coming from those domains, how can I do so? |
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| 00:07.27 | mortsmel | CodeNinja: what os you running on your machine your on now |
| 00:07.54 | badiane | CodeNinja: in your system's host file put a line for the domainnames with their ip |
| 00:07.55 | CodeNinja | debian lenny, server is also lenny |
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| 00:08.03 | mortsmel | put it in /etc/hosts |
| 00:08.04 | Mark17 | badiane: problably the problem was that I was running kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 and the modules are only included with 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 00:08.09 | Jill | badiane: everythings works i think, would you like to see? |
| 00:08.10 | Mark17 | so currently upgrading the kernel |
| 00:08.26 | CodeNinja | badiane: if I add devnetonline.net to /etc/hosts can I go to say 'webmail.devnetonline.net' and it will properly direct? |
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| 00:08.32 | badiane | Mark17: that could be. Can you upgrade to that kernel? |
| 00:08.40 | badiane | yep |
| 00:08.54 | CodeNinja | hm |
| 00:08.59 | CodeNinja | it seemed to fail last time I tried |
| 00:09.01 | Jill | thinking about try some driver... |
| 00:09.02 | Mark17 | badiane: just upgraded |
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| 00:09.59 | badiane | Mark17: was the the actual module or was that the source code? If it's the source code you have to, as it's was mentioned before, use m-a the modules assistant to compile and install it automatically for you |
| 00:10.24 | badiane | CodeNinja: follow the format that is listed in the hosts files. |
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| 00:10.31 | lolufail | hi |
| 00:10.32 | abrotman | CodeNinja: you have to put the full hostname |
| 00:10.43 | lolufail | has anyone seen this before?: |
| 00:10.51 | lolufail | Sep 28 02:01:08 server kernel: [ 5904.042656] compute_blocknr: map not correct |
| 00:11.03 | badiane | lolufail: no |
| 00:11.10 | Mark17 | badiane: the actual module was installed for the other kernel, but not for the kernel I did use |
| 00:11.23 | badiane | Mark17: ok |
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| 00:13.52 | badiane | jill: how is it going? If you can get to a terminal on your system, you should shutdown gdm or kdm whichever one you are using; cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a safe place and run X -configure which will generate a new config file for you. You can the copy this config file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see how your system behaves. |
| 00:13.54 | Jill | may i ask now? |
| 00:14.42 | Jill | okay |
| 00:14.48 | Jill | i'll do it |
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| 00:15.34 | cipherz | hello, I am trying to setup oprofile, but I need to locate vmlinux, thought vmlinuz was the gzipped vmlinux ? |
| 00:15.58 | badiane | jill: :-). I had a problem last night with the ati chip which comes with the Apple G4's. So I tried to regenerate the file but still didn't work. I ended up using the framebuffer device. Not pretty but there was GUI. |
| 00:16.26 | badiane | cipherz: it should be in your boot directory |
| 00:17.00 | badiane | cipherz: but just in case you want to search your whole system, sudo find / -iname "*vmlinuz*" |
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| 00:17.04 | lolufail | hmm, I am using a pretty small chunksize (2 kb) for my raid, and 16tb. could this be a overflow problem? |
| 00:17.12 | badiane | cipherz: or locate vmlinuz |
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| 00:17.44 | lolufail | because google this error returns problems that occured years ago, with a 3.5tb mark |
| 00:17.49 | lolufail | googling* |
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| 00:18.50 | badiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.50 | lolufail | problem is, this ends in a kernel panic and probably data loss |
| 00:19.17 | lolufail | badiane: no, only large files (~10gb), ext4 filesystem with stride=2 |
| 00:19.28 | lolufail | I read somewhere that large files want small chunksizes |
| 00:19.41 | lolufail | so the workload gets divided to all the drives.. |
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| 00:20.01 | badiane | and which raid are you using for this |
| 00:20.03 | lolufail | 12 drives, raid 5 btw. 1.5tb each |
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| 00:20.48 | lolufail | and a dmcrypt->lvm2 ontop |
| 00:20.52 | cipherz | badiane: well I can find my vmlinuz, but when I try to gunzip it I get that its not a gzip file, and opcontrol wont accept it as a vmlinux file =( |
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| 00:21.24 | badiane | cipherz: type file <vmlinuz> |
| 00:21.38 | badiane | cipherz: it will tell you what it is |
| 00:21.38 | cipherz | badiane: vmlinuz: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x901, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA |
| 00:21.57 | cipherz | weird thing is that oprofile wont accept it :/ it tells me to find the vmlinux file |
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| 00:22.17 | Jill | it seems video system works better... but i dont know it until problem back... |
| 00:22.29 | simonrvn | probably wants the vmlinu? in the build dir |
| 00:22.41 | simonrvn | the docs should say... |
| 00:22.49 | badiane | cipherz: could be what simonrvn said |
| 00:23.18 | cipherz | problem is that I am using a stock kernel, was hoping I could avoid having to build my own kernel |
| 00:23.49 | lolufail | I think I'll try that :D @custom kernel |
| 00:23.49 | badiane | jill: have you tried to regenerate a new config? Also you could always try dpkg-reconfigure <xserver> -plow |
| 00:23.49 | simonrvn | well, to decompress it, you'd have to make a copy and rename it |
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| 00:24.10 | simonrvn | X -configure |
| 00:24.17 | simonrvn | Jill: ^^^ |
| 00:24.28 | cipherz | simonrvn: tried that, but it tells me its not a gzip file :( |
| 00:24.39 | simonrvn | doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do much anymore |
| 00:24.42 | Jill | badiane: i use new configuration because its better (video card name in new config) |
| 00:24.45 | badiane | lolufail: can you send me a link to that article yo umentioned |
| 00:24.51 | simonrvn | cipherz: renaming it? |
| 00:25.05 | simonrvn | cp vmlinuz vmlinux.gz |
| 00:25.10 | lolufail | badiane: http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=130 |
| 00:25.12 | cipherz | simonrvn: yup |
| 00:25.15 | badiane | jill: ok. so you did run the X -configure command |
| 00:25.16 | cipherz | gzip: vmlinuz.gz: not in gzip format |
| 00:25.16 | Jill | simonrvn: thank you, i allready do this |
| 00:25.20 | badiane | lolufail: thanks |
| 00:25.22 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 00:25.44 | lolufail | badiane: "So you want a lot of bandwidth to move data quickly. To get a lot of bandwidth you want each disk to shoulder part of the load, so you want a small chunk size. What is small? Anywhere from 512 bytes (one block) to 8 KB." |
| 00:25.53 | Jill | badiane: uhum.. and a.. waitng freez =) |
| 00:26.03 | lolufail | don't know if that's bullshit |
| 00:26.09 | lolufail | I'm prepared to redo the raid ;) |
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| 00:26.27 | badiane | jill: ok |
| 00:27.09 | badiane | lolufail: ok I'm going to read it and be right back. |
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| 00:28.13 | badiane | lolufail: in the mean time http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/131063 |
| 00:28.34 | lolufail | well it's obviously a bug if too many chunks cannot be addressed |
| 00:28.47 | lolufail | I dont care about performance btw, the cryptloop takes all of that away again |
| 00:29.18 | lolufail | hmm should have thought of that before, that chunksize may not make sense with crypt ontop |
| 00:29.47 | musicalgenius | if my computer is a amd athelon x2, do i use x86 or amd64 iso's? |
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| 00:30.14 | abrotman | musicalgenius: either should work fine |
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| 00:35.17 | Jill | if version of software is 2.6.31-4.1, how to know stable or not? |
| 00:35.19 | lolufail | brb, if anyone has a clue, let me know :) |
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| 00:36.08 | iluminator101 | Hi when i do tail /var/log/message i get [251746.560991] Outbound IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=1xx.1xx.x.xxx DST=1xx.xx.1.1 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 |
| 00:36.10 | Jill | lolufail: what is clue? |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | Jill: packages.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 00:36.52 | markybob | Jill, 2.6.31 is not in any debian release |
| 00:37.29 | Jill | markybob: i mean software (program) |
| 00:37.29 | Jill | not core |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | Jill: what is the program? |
| 00:37.37 | markybob | Jill, begin to make sense at any point now |
| 00:37.46 | Jill | abrotman: coplex of open steam |
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| 00:37.51 | markybob | jesus |
| 00:37.56 | markybob | abrotman, he's all yours |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | Jill: HTF would we know? ask them |
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| 00:38.20 | abrotman | steam isn't in debian last i checked |
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| 00:39.25 | Jill | abrotman: them? there is 1 man in channel, and he sleep |
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| 00:39.38 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:40.02 | badiane | lolufail: read. But you mentioned that you read about kernel panics at around 3.5TB. Can you elaborate. |
| 00:40.06 | macrobat | jill: if they just have a .deb file you can look for dependencies |
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| 00:41.11 | Jill | it depends from pike, but... but i so stuppid sometimes. synaptic |
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| 00:43.10 | macrobat | judd: versions versions pike7.6 |
| 00:43.11 | judd | macrobat: versions -- |
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| 00:43.25 | macrobat | judd: versions pike7.6 |
| 00:43.25 | judd | macrobat: pike7.6 -- etch: 7.6.93-1 lenny: 7.6.112-3 sid: 7.6.112-3 sid: 7.6.112-4 sid: 7.6.112-dfsg-1 squeeze: 7.6.112-dfsg-1 experimental: 7.6.116-1 |
| 00:43.30 | acu | I installed squeeze and in KDE the fonts are extremely small - I can't distinguish them - how can I make them big enough at least to do something |
| 00:44.01 | phobos_anomaly | acu: kmenu > system settings |
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| 00:44.50 | Jill | judd: versions steam |
| 00:44.51 | judd | Jill: steam -- etch: 2.2.31-3 lenny: 2.2.31-4.3 sid: 2.2.31-4.3 squeeze: 2.2.31-4.3 |
| 00:45.06 | macrobat | Jill: you mean the programming language pike? |
| 00:45.10 | acu | phobeos, I got there but the letters are so small that I do not know which one is for changing the font size |
| 00:45.17 | Jill | yea and open-steam |
| 00:45.36 | Jill | look, 2.2.31-3 |
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| 00:46.19 | acu | when I log in too the fonts are extremely small even at the logon windows |
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| 00:46.53 | macrobat | acu, you can try to lower the screen resolution |
| 00:48.11 | lolufail | badiane: re. http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&num=30&q=compute_blocknr:+map+not+correct&start=0&sa=N |
| 00:48.51 | lolufail | badiane: they are talking about various problems, while growing or creating large raids, often solved by enabling large block device support |
| 00:49.14 | lolufail | yet, that is enabled in the lenny kernels, afaik |
| 00:49.45 | lolufail | goddamnit, kernel panic :( |
| 00:50.19 | lolufail | I'm trying this since 2 days |
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| 00:50.30 | badiane | lolufail: reading. By the way when you get the kernel panic what does it say? |
| 00:50.32 | lolufail | I might just buy a 800$ hardware raidcontroller |
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| 00:51.20 | lolufail | it's a stacktrace, and only on the console, I could make a photo |
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| 00:51.52 | lolufail | though there are 99999999 lines of map not correct right before it happens |
| 00:51.59 | lolufail | all in the same second |
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| 00:52.47 | lolufail | every 17ns :D |
| 00:53.21 | lolufail | µs* |
| 00:54.49 | badiane | lolufail: I've taken a look at the posts and most of them are old and are based on older kernels. |
| 00:54.50 | iluminator101 | i get this error http://pastebin.com/d5a5b1ec1 |
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| 00:55.14 | iluminator101 | i am trying to do this http://www.howtoforge.com/installation-and-configuration-of-intrusion-detection-with-snort-acidbase-mysql-and-apache2-on-ubuntu-9.04-using-spm |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | that's for ubuntu |
| 00:56.00 | lolufail | badiane: yes. |
| 00:56.31 | lolufail | badiane: Imma try a larger chunksize tomorrow, maybe this is a stupid integer overflow or something |
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| 00:56.52 | iluminator101 | abortman: i know ubuntu is debian watered down a bit |
| 00:57.01 | markybob | iluminator101, dont. /msg dpkg debian-based |
| 00:57.07 | lolufail | I might mention, the error only occurs when I have high io on the raid (not from the internal sync, but e.g. from mkfs.ext4) |
| 00:57.40 | phobos_anomaly | iluminator101: Not exactly watered down... more like overstuffed and mentally handicapped. |
| 00:58.03 | iluminator101 | phobos_anomaly: that what i meant to say exactly |
| 00:58.19 | markybob | iluminator101, doesnt matter what you have to say, you're off topic |
| 00:58.21 | badiane | I just read a post that is more recent |
| 00:58.31 | iluminator101 | back to my error now |
| 00:58.38 | markybob | iluminator101, no, you go away now |
| 00:58.45 | iluminator101 | can someone give me pointers |
| 00:58.48 | badiane | lolufail: you are actually experiencing the panics instead of long waits right? |
| 00:58.55 | lolufail | badiane: yes |
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| 00:59.05 | lolufail | badiane: everythings broken now, have to manually reset the machine |
| 00:59.14 | lolufail | ping still works, no answer from ssh etc |
| 00:59.16 | badiane | lolufail: use xfs instead of ext4 |
| 00:59.30 | lolufail | I dont think that's related |
| 00:59.38 | little_owl | How often are the minor releases done? I mean X.x.1 ...X.x.2 .... Is there some policy? |
| 00:59.54 | badiane | lolufail: in reference to your ext4 error you mentioned earlier |
| 00:59.57 | lolufail | the stacktrace clearly states raid5 as asswhole ;) |
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| 01:00.04 | lolufail | -w |
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| 01:00.27 | badiane | lolufail: the next article after the on your posted to me on the storage site was about raid10 |
| 01:00.39 | lolufail | badiane: ah I have a stacktrace, hold on |
| 01:00.40 | badiane | you lose drives but you gain speed and stability |
| 01:00.47 | badiane | ok |
| 01:00.50 | lolufail | http://pastebin.com/m64ed5988 |
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| 01:01.29 | lolufail | yes, it's a ubuntu kernel, but only for ext4.. still a debian system ;) |
| 01:01.40 | lolufail | *duckandhides* |
| 01:02.07 | lolufail | I had the same problem with a grml livecd kernel |
| 01:02.15 | lolufail | and that's pure debian |
| 01:02.17 | Arrowmaster | why not use the debian 2.6.30 |
| 01:02.31 | Arrowmaster | its in bpo if you are on lenny |
| 01:02.53 | lolufail | Arrowmaster: huh. |
| 01:03.05 | Arrowmaster | backports has 2.6.30 |
| 01:03.11 | badiane | lolufail: was the grml running the same kernel version: |
| 01:03.21 | lolufail | Arrowmaster: yes, good point, thanks |
| 01:03.26 | badiane | lolufail: you may want to try 2.6.30 |
| 01:03.38 | markybob | because he's not using debian. ubuntu karmic has 2.6.31 |
| 01:03.40 | lolufail | badiane: yes, .28 |
| 01:03.40 | badiane | lolufail: a lot of improvements in storage area. |
| 01:04.08 | lolufail | god I hope that's it :) |
| 01:04.23 | lolufail | okay, thanks I'll try that tomorrow, it's late |
| 01:04.38 | badiane | lolufail: why don't you use a debian kernel or a straight kernel. |
| 01:04.47 | badiane | lolufail: later |
| 01:05.00 | lolufail | badiane: didnt think of backports -.- |
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| 01:05.07 | lolufail | dunno, stupid idea |
| 01:05.14 | lolufail | bye :D and thanks again |
| 01:05.26 | badiane | lolufail: later. have fun |
| 01:05.46 | badiane | now back to my question: is anyone using blowfish instead of md5 |
| 01:06.05 | markybob | !anyone |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:06.15 | markybob | fuck's sake |
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| 01:07.02 | phobos_anomaly | I think someone is about burned out. |
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| 01:15.41 | hikenboot | hello can anyone recommend any sources for debian games for the powerpc platform? |
| 01:16.48 | badiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | hikenboot: happypenguin.org |
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| 01:18.41 | abrotman | hikenboot: they just list the software.. the individual software is still in question i suppose |
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| 01:19.23 | hikenboot | ah ok thanks for the warning |
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| 01:31.58 | Jill | my scanner doesnt work, what can i do then? |
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| 01:35.12 | Techie | has anyone got debian working properly on a Powerbook G4 Titanium (2000 model) |
| 01:35.56 | catsup | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20%22Powerbook%20G4%20Titanium%22 |
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| 01:36.30 | Jill | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 01:36.30 | judd | Jill: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 lenny-backports: 5.1.37-2~bpo50+1 sid: 5.1.37-2 squeeze: 5.1.37-2 |
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| 01:37.22 | Techie | catsup- this is not so much as if anyone has done it or if it can be done, its more of wanting to know specific things that people dont post on guides or forums |
| 01:38.30 | catsup | !anyone |
| 01:38.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:40.05 | Techie | fine then catsup, has anyone ever got video working at the native res of 1152x768 on a debian install on a powerbook G4 titanium, December 2000 model? |
| 01:40.52 | catsup | lol |
| 01:41.07 | Techie | catsup- good enough? |
| 01:41.17 | catsup | no you really are missing the point |
| 01:41.40 | catsup | do you have debian installed on a g4 and it doesn't use full screen resolution? |
| 01:41.48 | catsup | or do you not even have the laptop? or what? |
| 01:41.57 | Jill | Bus 006 Device 002: ID 055f:0408 Mustek Systems, Inc. BearPaw 2448 CU Pro | xsane 0.996 | Linux zerone 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | Debian 5 Lenny | does not work |
| 01:42.04 | Jill | what can i do? |
| 01:42.11 | catsup | someone might know the solution to your problem without having your exact model of laptop, that's the point |
| 01:42.31 | Techie | catsup- i currently have ubuntu 9.04 installed but can only achieve a res of 1024x768, and i need to know whether anyone has ever managed it on debian |
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| 01:43.23 | HeXiLeD | Xneo2005 |
| 01:43.30 | HeXiLeD | u there? |
| 01:43.40 | HeXiLeD | ups wrong window :P |
| 01:43.58 | rgr | when I log into my mailserver via ssh I get a message. I cant remember where I configured it. Its not /etc/motd and its not ~/.banner. Where else could it be? |
| 01:44.06 | catsup | lol Techie |
| 01:44.16 | catsup | now you really fucked up |
| 01:44.54 | catsup | !ubuntu |
| 01:44.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 01:45.17 | Techie | dude dont lecture me on ubuntu vs debian, i know the difference |
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| 01:45.23 | catsup | lol |
| 01:45.37 | macrobat | Techie: are you trolling? :) |
| 01:45.39 | catsup | you don't seem to know the difference between #ubuntu and #debian |
| 01:45.50 | Techie | i came here because i thought maybe someone might persuade me to drop ubuntu on this laptop and spend time download a bloody debian disc and put more hours into getting that working |
| 01:46.35 | catsup | actually Techie you have an xorg configuration problem, it's the same on debian or ubuntu |
| 01:46.36 | Jill | "sweet hours with Debian" |
| 01:46.39 | rgr | Techie: too many jobsworths that know full well most Ubuntu issues based on "base" Debian can indeed be solved here. |
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| 01:47.55 | Jill | i think every base is right choise, gentlemen |
| 01:47.55 | catsup | Techie: your question would be best answered via search engine. or just try adding a Mode directive to your xorg.conf |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:47.56 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 01:47.57 | catsup | i mean Modes |
| 01:48.13 | Techie | catsup- my xorg.conf lists the mode i want, dont lecture me |
| 01:48.19 | catsup | rofl |
| 01:48.32 | macrobat | Techie: 903 in this channel. not much chance one of them is having the exact hardware and problems you have |
| 01:48.41 | catsup | macrobat: i think you may have been right |
| 01:48.47 | Techie | would you like me to pastebin it for you? |
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| 01:49.21 | catsup | the information you want is almost certainly available through google |
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| 01:49.34 | Witepa | My keyboard is stuck in Greek at the login screen (gdm). I have tried to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/default/console-setup, but neither did the trick. I cannot login to my laptop, can someone please help me? |
| 01:50.10 | catsup | Witepa: what does your /etc/environment contain |
| 01:51.36 | Techie | catsup- http://pastebin.com/m273ff175 theres my xorg.conf it lists the mode i want |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | Techie: if you want Ubuntu support, go to #ubuntu. If you want to know how to install Debian, ask |
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| 01:52.52 | zerothis | Does anybody here object to my asking a single ligitimate OSS vs FSF question not intended to start argument? |
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| 01:53.05 | Witepa | catsup: just PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/games" |
| 01:53.20 | Jill | catsup: take a look: http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=10467&key=b12343 |
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| 01:53.24 | Jill | selected item |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | zerothis: ask in #debian-offtopic if you don't mind |
| 01:54.08 | Jill | catsup: "questions of a Google search" |
| 01:54.29 | zerothis | abrotman: thank you sir |
| 01:55.24 | acu07 | I installed Squeeze in an AMD X2 64 with 6 GB Ram etc - When I browse the internet it takes 13 secs to load a page - the settings are the same I have in a laptopl with Lenny and it takes 5 seconds - how can I fix this? Could it be because of the network card ? I can I test it ? |
| 01:55.25 | catsup | Witepa: huh. so in the console your locale settings (type 'locale') are ok? |
| 01:57.26 | Witepa | catsup: Well, the only way I can run any commands on the computer at hand is by running a liveCD, but I am fairly sure that my locale settings are fine, it's just my keyboard layout that is not. |
| 01:57.41 | catsup | i see |
| 01:58.25 | sheepsy | acu07: Are you using firefox? |
| 01:58.34 | acu07 | sheepsy |
| 01:58.34 | catsup | maybe you could chroot in there and run dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:58.36 | acu07 | yes |
| 01:58.57 | acu07 | I would use anything - Konqueror whatever it works |
| 01:59.38 | Witepa | catsup: alright, I'll try that. Could you remind me how to bind /dev to the new root? |
| 01:59.41 | sheepsy | acu07: I had a similar issue. This might be worth a try: go to about:config. Find the key network.dns.disableIPv6 and make turn it to true. See if that speeds it up. If it does you have an issue with handling ipv6 either on your install or the network. |
| 01:59.43 | badiane | Witepa: dpkg-reconfigure locales -plow |
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| 02:00.07 | catsup | Witepa: you shouldn't need to do that but it's just mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 02:00.12 | badiane | acu07: what are you dns settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:00.27 | acu07 | sheepsy: you sound dangerously close to the problem - I will look now |
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| 02:01.01 | badiane | Witepa: take a look also at kbd-config |
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| 02:03.02 | badiane | acu07: you can ping the name and then ping the address. If there is a delay in pinging the name and not the address it's most likely a dns resolution issue. |
| 02:03.03 | sheepsy | acu07: I had this issue come up with a kde install on gentoo. I wasn't able to figure out how to fix it, as I recall. I just had to switch off ipv6 for everything. Which was really quite annoying. |
| 02:03.08 | acu07 | badiane: first line is search:mycomputer.com |
| 02:03.34 | Witepa | catsup, badiane: alright, I need to restart with the LiveCD real quick, so hang on... Thanks though! |
| 02:03.35 | badiane | acu07: which nameservers |
| 02:03.54 | badiane | acu07: are they the same as your laptop? |
| 02:04.07 | acu07 | yes: I made sure they are the same |
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| 02:05.24 | acu07 | sheepsy: how can I disable ipv6 |
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| 02:05.41 | badiane | acu07: type lsmod | grep -i ipv6 |
| 02:05.51 | acu07 | just erase them from network settings hosts ? |
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| 02:05.59 | badiane | no |
| 02:06.01 | badiane | don't do that |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | !noipv6 |
| 02:06.07 | dpkg | noipv6 is, like, echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 02:06.53 | sheepsy | acu07: In FF, go to about:config. Find the key network.dns.disableIPv6 and turn it to true. See if that speeds it up. If it does you have an issue with handling ipv6 either on your install or the network. |
| 02:06.55 | badiane | black list it in the modprobe directory as indicated by dpkg |
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| 02:07.05 | acu07 | badiane: that's all ? |
| 02:07.13 | badiane | you shouldn't have to mess with FF |
| 02:07.20 | badiane | should be |
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| 02:07.35 | badiane | unless you have something quirky with your dns |
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| 02:08.22 | badiane | dpkg: do you have any experience substituting blowfish for md5 on your systems? |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | wouldn't dream of doing you have any experience substituting blowfish for md5 on your systems |
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| 02:08.35 | badiane | oops |
| 02:08.50 | CodeNinja | I managed to change my boot up loading screen (thats usplash right?) awhile ago, but I can't remember how to do it again |
| 02:11.09 | sheepsy | badiane: I was just telling him to do that as a quick way to tell whether that is the problem on the surface. |
| 02:12.19 | Witepa | catsup: Alright, I just did the dpkg-reconfigure locales, and everything came out "up-to-date". |
| 02:12.19 | Witepa | badiane: kbd-config is not installed. |
| 02:12.28 | badiane | sheepsy: ok |
| 02:12.46 | badiane | did you put the -plow at the end of the command |
| 02:13.01 | Witepa | badiane: yes |
| 02:13.02 | acu07 | sorry to use expelatives |
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| 02:13.11 | Witepa | catsup: console-data isn't installed either. |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed - and is often blank - but manual configuration is still possible. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 02:13.41 | acu07 | shiit : disabling the ipv6 in firefox = kick ass big time - blazing f...ing speed |
| 02:14.04 | acu07 | sheepsy that was it |
| 02:14.08 | badiane | xorg.conf options have moved to debconf |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | badiane: no |
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| 02:14.33 | abrotman | the language is set by debconf .. the rest are autoguessed |
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| 02:14.54 | Witepa | abrotman, badiane: I actually tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg earlier, and it didn't solve the issue. |
| 02:15.00 | macrobat | CodeNinja: its easy to forget stuff, therefore i keep a log of what i do on my system :) |
| 02:15.09 | badiane | abrotman: ok |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | Witepa: look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | Witepa: or set it explicitly |
| 02:15.16 | acu07 | now I should get back to badiane: what are the professional ways to remove ipv6 dns ? I wonder when ipv6 is going to be implemented |
| 02:15.20 | CodeNinja | macrobat: indeed, but I do a lot via commandline every day in many many terminals |
| 02:15.37 | CodeNinja | and the last time I changed it was... months...? ago |
| 02:15.58 | acu07 | or if the knowitall abrotman would pitch in some priceless wisdom - it will be greatly appreciated :) |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:16.09 | badiane | acu07: check to see if the module is loaded |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | acu07: the bot told you.. look up about 40 lines |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | maybe 60 |
| 02:16.45 | acu07 | I did lsmog | grep -i ipv6 and nothing came up |
| 02:16.59 | acu07 | lsmod |
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| 02:17.10 | abrotman | !noipv6 |
| 02:17.11 | dpkg | well, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 02:17.14 | Witepa | abrotman: alright, I'm looking at it... I find no mention of a greek keyboard (by searching for "gr") |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | again ... |
| 02:19.59 | acu07 | thanks to all - badiane, sheepsy and abrotman |
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| 02:20.55 | badiane | acu07:np |
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| 02:22.48 | Witepa | I miss being able to login to my computer :( |
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| 02:23.18 | badiane | abrotman: http://www.digipedia.pl/man/dexconf.1.html |
| 02:23.25 | CodeNinja | :S its not that command |
| 02:23.42 | CodeNinja | god.. I know where to change 2 out of 3 screens during boot... |
| 02:23.44 | Witepa | abrotman: there is an entry saying (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | Witepa: so manually specify the kbd setting you want |
| 02:24.12 | CodeNinja | and I know the 3rd (during boot)... but for the life of me I can't remember |
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| 02:24.43 | Witepa | abrotman: In xorg.conf? I tried that long ago, and it didn't do anything. There was actually no mention of the Greek layout there to begin with. |
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| 02:25.00 | abrotman | you have to create it |
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| 02:26.21 | badiane | Witepa: man setupcon |
| 02:26.42 | Witepa | abrotman: yeah, I did. I have, under Section "InputDevice", Option "XkbLayout" "us" |
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| 02:27.27 | abrotman | did you give it an identifier ? |
| 02:27.28 | badiane | Witepa: man loadkeys |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | and a driver ? |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | maybe it wants the model too ? |
| 02:28.07 | NoCode | Does Testing have KDE 4.3? |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | Witepa: you can use X -configure to create a valid xorg.conf and then alter it to your needs |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | NoCode: packages.debian.org to see |
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| 02:28.41 | Witepa | abrotman: Yeah, I have the Identifier "Generic Keyboard", Driver "kbd", "XkbRules" "xorg", and "XkbModel" "pc105" |
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| 02:29.43 | abrotman | and your Xorg.0.log reflects this ? |
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| 02:30.08 | NoCode | "The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net)." |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase |
| 02:30.33 | judd | abrotman: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 5:54 squeeze: 5:54 |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | eh .. wrong |
| 02:30.41 | Witepa | badiane: I can't run X -configure, cause I'm chroot'd into my filesystem and X is already running |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 02:30.43 | judd | abrotman: kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1 etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny1 lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny2 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | oh .. i give up |
| 02:31.18 | macrobat | judd: versions kdebase-runtime |
| 02:31.18 | judd | macrobat: kdebase-runtime -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-2 sid: 4:4.3.1-1 squeeze: 4:4.3.1-1 |
| 02:31.18 | NoCode | dpkg, install kde4 |
| 02:31.18 | dpkg | The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 02:31.22 | gasull | Hi. I have full-disk encryption. How do I resize my boot partition? Thank you. |
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| 02:31.52 | n-iCe | is there any way to use clutter like moblin? |
| 02:31.59 | Witepa | abrotman: now my Xorg.0.log is just one big error message due to that failed X -configure |
| 02:32.58 | badiane | Witepa: I have a question, does your keyboard problem happen only in your desktop environment or also on your virtual terminals? |
| 02:34.01 | Witepa | badiane: I cannot get into my desktop environment at all, the furthest I can get with a GUI is to gdm, where the keyboard problem does exist. When I do go into a "recovery" console, the keyboard problem does still exist though. |
| 02:34.38 | badiane | so if it exists on the console, it's not directly related to X |
| 02:34.54 | badiane | you need a us keyboard, right? |
| 02:34.59 | Witepa | badiane: Yes. |
| 02:35.01 | badiane | install-keymap us |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | Witepa: X -configure :1 |
| 02:35.15 | Jill | judd: versions opencp |
| 02:35.16 | judd | Jill: opencp -- |
| 02:35.20 | Jill | hmm |
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| 02:36.30 | Witepa | abrotman: I got "No devices to configure. Configuration failed." |
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| 02:37.04 | Witepa | badiane: install-keymap is not currently installed. |
| 02:37.11 | badiane | install it |
| 02:37.37 | Witepa | badiane: alright, I just wish this machine's wireless card worked with the liveCD... let me grab my thumb drive. |
| 02:37.44 | badiane | type whereis install-keymap |
| 02:38.11 | Witepa | badiane: nothing |
| 02:38.13 | Jill | guys, can i disable all icons in gnome? |
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| 02:39.11 | badiane | Witepa: install-keymap is part of the console-common package |
| 02:39.32 | Witepa | badiane: Alright, I'll install it. Thanks. |
| 02:39.39 | badiane | Witepa: type whereis install-keymap and you will find it's installed |
| 02:39.48 | badiane | because it's under /usr/sbin/ |
| 02:40.56 | Witepa | badiane: yeah, it's not installed, I'm being told to install console-common by apt |
| 02:41.09 | badiane | Witepa: ok. |
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| 02:46.29 | Witepa | badiane: If I don't have console-data or console-common already, will this effect the problem? |
| 02:47.09 | diegoviola | how do i get casper and ubiquity for debian 5? |
| 02:47.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I have set up locales using dpkg-reconfigure locales, and the default is en-GB.UTF-8 but I want some users of X to default to es-ES.UTF-8 -- How do I do that? |
| 02:47.32 | diegoviola | i'm trying to install remastersys |
| 02:48.03 | badiane | are you using debian |
| 02:48.30 | jpinx-eeepc | badiane: me? yes - lenny |
| 02:48.38 | badiane | hmm |
| 02:48.39 | diegoviola | anyone? |
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| 02:53.54 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, set $LANG... |
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| 02:54.13 | Tired | diegoviola, "apt-get install casper"? |
| 02:54.15 | badiane | Witepa: ok let's try something else |
| 02:54.30 | Witepa | badiane: Alright. |
| 02:54.46 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, but abrotman told you that already! |
| 02:55.00 | badiane | Witepa: check to see if you have this file /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 02:55.36 | Witepa | yeah |
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| 02:58.29 | Tired | Jill, nautilus makes those, iirc |
| 02:58.45 | badiane | Witepa: type loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.kmap.gz |
| 02:59.04 | badiane | see if that fixes it |
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| 03:02.52 | Jill | Tired: nautilus... how& |
| 03:02.54 | Jill | ?* |
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| 03:03.57 | Tired | I just know when I start nautilus - ever- it puts loads of funny piktchers on my desktop... called icons |
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| 03:05.08 | Jill | to disable icons i need to disable nautilus... |
| 03:06.00 | _Trinity_ | I can't believe this. I installed filterproxy because it supposed to be be lighter than other such as privoxy that uses lists, and myu computer is choking |
| 03:06.08 | badiane | Witepa: you could also take a look at /etc/default/console-setup |
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| 03:06.37 | bertilosteen | Anyone know how to delete a raid array? |
| 03:06.47 | Witepa | badiane: I have, and everything there is set to US. my /usr/share/keymaps directory does not exist, I discovered that it is included with console-data |
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| 03:07.19 | badiane | Witepa: can you try to install it |
| 03:07.35 | Witepa | badiane: yeah, it'll take a second though |
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| 03:08.55 | badiane | bertilosteen: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 03:11.43 | badiane | bertilosteen: the type FD is what allows linux to recognize that the drives are to be used as RAID I think. So I would figure that if you change that using cfdisk and run hdparm -z on the drive that should help. Also edit /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 03:12.05 | badiane | bertilosteen: also don't forget to update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 03:12.14 | bertilosteen | badiane: I went wrong somewhere at migrating to raid. I was suposed to make a raid containing 2 disks, but used --raid-devices=1 /dev/sdb2 instead of --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb2 missing /dev/sda2 |
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| 03:13.03 | Jill | hardcore http://itmages.ru/view.php?action=view&id=10468&key=c1d7a4 |
| 03:13.21 | badiane | bertilosteen: hash it out in mdadm.conf and rerun the proper command |
| 03:13.42 | badiane | that will generate a new uuid for the raid set |
| 03:14.06 | badiane | which is what will be used for the array |
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| 03:15.26 | badiane | after you create the array get its detail and you will see the uuid. Copy it to the mdadm file just like the other lines but make sure that the pertinent details are changed for the new line. |
| 03:15.58 | macrobat | Jill: that doesnt look like gnome i remember, congratulations :) |
| 03:16.50 | macrobat | have you tried other desktop environments or window managers? |
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| 03:16.55 | badiane | jill: nice |
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| 03:18.22 | Jill | macrobat: yes, i have tried awesome (cool thing), kde 3.5.7 - 3.5.10, twm, *box... others |
| 03:19.05 | Jill | badiane: its not me, one man do this theme and i found it |
| 03:19.20 | badiane | ahh ok |
| 03:20.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: How / where to be setting $LANG for individual users? |
| 03:20.56 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, I'll tell you when you solved the riddle! |
| 03:20.59 | Tired | :-P |
| 03:21.18 | Tired | but how about their .profile if they use bash |
| 03:21.21 | rgr | I can ssh into a remote host fine without a password. But trying to mount sshfs it prompts. Why would this be? |
| 03:21.58 | macrobat | it would be great if one could have one lang in the terminal/console and another in gui apps. |
| 03:22.41 | Tired | rgr, you forgot to specify the correct user name |
| 03:23.09 | Tired | macrobat, you can |
| 03:23.11 | badiane | macrobat: you should be able to. Linux/UNIX are multiuser systems. Just like you can have multiple X session running at the same time with each having their own desktop environment or window manager. |
| 03:23.46 | Tired | badiane, he means all in one and the same X sessions and... xterms or whatnot vs other apps, I think |
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| 03:23.52 | Tired | still, it's not hard |
| 03:23.52 | badiane | macrobat: dot files should be where you would make a lot of configurations for users |
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| 03:24.19 | macrobat | i know about the .dots :) |
| 03:24.29 | rgr | Tired: no, I did :-( interestingly it mounts but then as root. Seems to be a standard fstab line too. Confused. |
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| 03:24.51 | badiane | macrobat: there should be a way. |
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| 03:25.13 | badiane | I've never done it but when you do let me know. Sounds interesting. |
| 03:25.29 | CodeNinja | I got all my screens changed |
| 03:25.35 | CodeNinja | :) login manager + startupmanager |
| 03:25.43 | rgr | and I know its the correct user name because it prompts and accepts for the password for that user. |
| 03:27.02 | Tired | rgr, sshfs doesn't use fstab... or at least mine never needed it |
| 03:27.29 | CodeNinja | Tired: correct it does not use fstab, but it can be set to do so |
| 03:27.36 | Tired | macrobat, what type of terminal do you use? |
| 03:27.43 | CodeNinja | I think |
| 03:27.52 | CodeNinja | I just have a ./remote_systems.sh I run at login |
| 03:28.00 | Delf | How do I remove a file using the terminal? |
| 03:28.08 | CodeNinja | sshfs me@myhost:/mypath /mylocal |
| 03:28.12 | rgr | what do you mean it doesnt use fstab? You can mount sshfs from fstab. Then you only need to issue a mount command. |
| 03:28.13 | CodeNinja | Delf: rm |
| 03:28.23 | Delf | CodeNinja: thank you |
| 03:28.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: is it just a line saying LANG="es-ES.UTF-8" in /home/user/.profile ? There's no /home/user/.bash_profile file |
| 03:28.41 | Tired | CodeNinja, try if you can pass on any -v -v -v options to ssh when doing the sshfs stuff, that should tell you |
| 03:28.55 | CodeNinja | ? |
| 03:29.08 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, yes... possibly export LANG, too |
| 03:29.12 | Tired | errr |
| 03:29.14 | CodeNinja | Tired: ? |
| 03:29.34 | Tired | yes? |
| 03:29.39 | Tired | ops |
| 03:29.40 | CodeNinja | what did you mean above? |
| 03:29.44 | Tired | rgr, not CodeNinja |
| 03:29.48 | CodeNinja | oh |
| 03:29.49 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 03:29.55 | Tired | why did you suddenly start talking about sshfs, too |
| 03:29.56 | CodeNinja | still, please explain :) |
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| 03:30.06 | CodeNinja | because I came in and you were talking about sshfs with rgr |
| 03:30.18 | Tired | I saw <CodeNinja> sshfs me@myhost:/mypath /mylocal |
| 03:30.25 | Tired | and thought you had originally asked this |
| 03:30.31 | rgr | And for some reason people are talking sshfs command where as my question was about using fstab :-; |
| 03:30.37 | CodeNinja | :P you need to start sharing :) |
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| 03:30.47 | Tired | it was? |
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| 03:31.09 | Tired | <rgr> I can ssh into a remote host fine without a password. But trying to mount sshfs it prompts. Why would this be |
| 03:31.10 | Tired | that sounds like sshfs to me? |
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| 03:31.26 | CodeNinja | oh, thats actually ssh related in itself |
| 03:31.31 | Tired | rgr, oh, you try to get it automounted at boot using sshfs? |
| 03:31.40 | Tired | err using fstab |
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| 03:32.05 | rgr | well actually I'm manually issuign the mount, but yes, in the end I want it to mount at boot too. |
| 03:32.06 | Tired | i mean you got an fstab entry and expect that to mount via sshfs on boot? |
| 03:32.22 | rgr | Yes and it used to work. No idea why not now. |
| 03:32.24 | Tired | i just put the sshfs command in /etc/local.rc |
| 03:32.35 | CodeNinja | rgr: thats weird, when did it stop working? |
| 03:32.44 | CodeNinja | mine did too just a few days ago |
| 03:32.54 | rgr | no. I like all my mounts centralised. fstab is the place. probably me with y typo. I need to sleep and come back to it. |
| 03:32.54 | Tired | because all things in fstab are done by root and root doesn't have your credentials on the remote machine |
| 03:33.09 | Tired | because root doesn't share your $HOME and hence not your $HOME/.ssh/ |
| 03:33.11 | CodeNinja | oh.. hey |
| 03:33.13 | CodeNinja | yeah |
| 03:33.24 | rgr | I thought that but then wondered why it worked before. |
| 03:33.33 | rgr | unless ... |
| 03:33.48 | CodeNinja | rgr: you should login as root on your local machine and run cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh you@host 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' |
| 03:33.57 | jnewt | i lost my ability to use winscp to browse my debian server, putty still works to ssh into the box, but it says server doesn't exist. any ideas? |
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| 03:34.20 | Tired | eh? |
| 03:34.26 | Tired | CodeNinja, i think you messed that up |
| 03:34.30 | CodeNinja | did I? |
| 03:34.33 | CodeNinja | :S |
| 03:34.44 | CodeNinja | goes to double check |
| 03:35.04 | CodeNinja | http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html |
| 03:35.09 | Tired | didn't you mean a simple cat /home/hisuser/.ssh/authorized_keys >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 03:35.10 | CodeNinja | thats where I followed mine from |
| 03:35.13 | CodeNinja | oh yeah |
| 03:35.14 | CodeNinja | :S |
| 03:35.21 | Tired | or somesuch |
| 03:35.39 | rgr | no. It needs to be copied to the remote roots .ssh |
| 03:35.45 | CodeNinja | no |
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| 03:35.49 | Jill | tired from colorised nicks in pidgin... |
| 03:35.55 | CodeNinja | it needs to be copied from your root to your remote user |
| 03:36.03 | rgr | yes ... |
| 03:36.03 | Tired | eh? |
| 03:36.04 | rgr | :) |
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| 03:36.13 | Tired | no! |
| 03:36.14 | CodeNinja | unless you're mounting root to root |
| 03:36.18 | CodeNinja | but thats dangerous |
| 03:36.26 | Tired | he's mounting user to user, no? |
| 03:36.31 | CodeNinja | should be yes |
| 03:36.32 | rgr | bah. I cant remember all this before. Surely I can mount as user from an fstab .... |
| 03:36.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: none of that seems to work - even after logging the user out and back in |
| 03:37.33 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: perhaps you need .bashrc instead of .bash_profile? |
| 03:37.42 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, you do need to log out/in - startx is a shell script and that will/should read .profile |
| 03:38.14 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, open a shell in the newly started x and see if the variable is set... |
| 03:38.59 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, also, start gui apps from a shell - there might be complaints that $LANG is set to something they dont know |
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| 03:39.20 | Tired | your string looked a bit weird... normally its just en_US or de_DE |
| 03:39.34 | Tired | dunno about utf, tho, so it might be ok |
| 03:40.02 | adb | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:40.09 | Tired | es-ES is suspicious, though should be es_ES |
| 03:40.12 | Tired | exactly |
| 03:41.06 | rgr | ok, running sshfs from command as user "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" |
| 03:41.29 | rgr | (sshfs shamrock@hermes:/home/shamrock ./hermes) |
| 03:41.48 | rgr | I know I can ssh in just fine. |
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| 03:42.09 | clarjon1 | rgr: Your user doesn't have permission to use fuse |
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| 03:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: that user has .bashrc - should I do something there? |
| 03:42.53 | CodeNinja | rgr you need to add yourself to the fuse group |
| 03:43.11 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: sshfs gives the permissions of the logging in user |
| 03:43.11 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: if I'm not mistaken, any login thats processed is run through .bashrc |
| 03:43.22 | Tired | rgr, ls -la /dev/fuse |
| 03:43.24 | rgr | he is part of fuse |
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| 03:43.51 | rgr | e.g |
| 03:43.55 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.00 | rgr | reports already a member |
| 03:44.04 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: ok - I'll add it to .bashrc as well then |
| 03:44.08 | Tired | rgr, and the output of 'id' for that user |
| 03:44.21 | Tired | rgr, "newgrp" |
| 03:44.35 | Tired | possibly |
| 03:44.44 | rgr | includes fuse |
| 03:44.50 | Tired | first show ls -la /dev/fuse |
| 03:45.03 | rgr | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-09-27 19:17 /dev/fuse |
| 03:45.19 | CodeNinja | what does the 'c' denote? |
| 03:45.28 | CodeNinja | am slowly learning those tags |
| 03:45.32 | Tired | so cat /dev/fuse should not give you permission denied |
| 03:45.44 | Tired | CodeNinja, character device |
| 03:45.47 | rgr | correct |
| 03:45.49 | CodeNinja | ah |
| 03:46.03 | rgr | or rather correct : permission denied |
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| 03:46.50 | Tired | so it does... |
| 03:46.55 | rgr | problem solved. Unbelievable. |
| 03:47.06 | rgr | doh. |
| 03:47.07 | Tired | it is? |
| 03:47.16 | rgr | su - shamrock |
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| 03:47.27 | rgr | the shell did not know the correct id detals for my user. |
| 03:47.47 | Tired | that's the moment where I said "I told you so", right? |
| 03:47.55 | rgr | fuckit. And sorry. I spent ages with this before coming here. Thanks for the prompts. And sorry for the 4 letters :) |
| 03:48.00 | rgr | no actually. |
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| 03:48.06 | rgr | as I was a member of fuse. |
| 03:48.24 | rgr | cheers fellas. |
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| 03:54.51 | Jill | guys, if i setup new software by ./build and ./install from sources, can i delete source directory now? or it needs to something? |
| 03:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: Tired ok - so I got X to come up in Spanish for that user now, but the applications like OpenOffice and Iceweasel are still in English :( Any ideas? Non of their preferences does it |
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| 03:56.31 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: gdm or kde? |
| 03:56.34 | CodeNinja | er |
| 03:56.41 | CodeNinja | gnome or kde |
| 03:56.42 | jpinx-eeepc | gnome |
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| 03:57.35 | CodeNinja | have you checked the locale settings there? |
| 03:57.41 | CodeNinja | language too |
| 03:57.47 | jpinx-eeepc | where |
| 03:57.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ? |
| 03:58.02 | adb | OpenOffice-es * is installed? |
| 03:58.33 | CodeNinja | adb: yeah I was just about to ask that too |
| 03:59.04 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, does any of those applications ever come up in spanish? |
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| 04:00.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: CodeNinja: gnome has no language selection - only keyboard layouts |
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| 04:01.04 | Tired | I've never wanted a localized firefox |
| 04:01.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: not sure what you mean - I am trying to get them to come up in Spanish, but so far only Gnome is doing the spanish thing |
| 04:01.11 | Tired | but I guess such a thing must exist |
| 04:01.33 | CodeNinja | I only know english and enough words in german to get me in trouble, so... I've never needed to |
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| 04:01.42 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: I know a lot of apps have locale settings |
| 04:01.51 | jpinx-eeepc | sheeesh - does this mean I have to localise every package individually by hand? |
| 04:02.00 | CodeNinja | probably |
| 04:02.02 | jpinx-eeepc | what a pita |
| 04:02.05 | adb | openoffice.org-l10n-es | Spanish language package for OpenOffice.org |
| 04:02.08 | Tired | do you have iceweasel-l10n-es installed? |
| 04:02.12 | CodeNinja | see |
| 04:02.15 | CodeNinja | its simple |
| 04:02.18 | jpinx-eeepc | and is that specific for one user? |
| 04:02.27 | CodeNinja | they can set it themselves |
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| 04:02.40 | CodeNinja | apt-cache search "-es" |
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| 04:02.45 | jpinx-eeepc | lost the thread there |
| 04:02.51 | CodeNinja | oh fail |
| 04:03.28 | CodeNinja | apt-cache search Spansih |
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| 04:03.31 | CodeNinja | please.. slap me |
| 04:03.35 | CodeNinja | I can't type tonight |
| 04:03.47 | Keo | Gretings, where has the xinitrc moved to? |
| 04:03.53 | adb | jpinx-eeepc, gdm has language section |
| 04:04.11 | Keo | It's not in my home dir, and I'd like to change my default wm |
| 04:04.15 | CodeNinja | adb: that sets what gnome is |
| 04:04.23 | CodeNinja | but it doesn't do translations for apps |
| 04:04.45 | jpinx-eeepc | adb I want language per user, not global |
| 04:04.47 | CodeNinja | unless they are gnome-* apps |
| 04:04.57 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: its globally installed but per user selectable |
| 04:05.04 | jpinx-eeepc | bleh |
| 04:05.30 | adb | Keo, cat /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 04:05.39 | CodeNinja | whats the point of doing something just for one person? install it for everyone and disable it for everyone who doesn't need it |
| 04:05.48 | CodeNinja | logic+=1; |
| 04:05.52 | Keo | adb: lists an Xsession file that has not what I'm looking for. :\ |
| 04:06.18 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: what's the difference? |
| 04:06.45 | jpinx-eeepc | iceweasel has spanish language installed, but i can not see how to make it work for a user |
| 04:06.49 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: everyone who doesn't need it doesn't use it, and typically have no idea its even there until they need it |
| 04:07.23 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: good - that'll work for me just as well ;) |
| 04:07.37 | jpinx-eeepc | but i can not find the buttons to push yet |
| 04:07.38 | CodeNinja | see logic ++ :) |
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| 04:07.49 | CodeNinja | oh iceweasel, not icedove |
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| 04:08.17 | CodeNinja | icedove is pretty easy to find |
| 04:08.18 | jpinx-eeepc | iceweasel, OpenOffice and gimp are needed in Spanish for 2 users |
| 04:09.00 | jpinx-eeepc | starting with Iceweasel - apt-cache search spanish | grep iceweasel shows me that it's there |
| 04:09.19 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: ok, so now apt-get install that iceweasel spanish package |
| 04:09.25 | jpinx-eeepc | but iceweasel does not seem to have a language selector |
| 04:09.29 | CodeNinja | it does |
| 04:09.47 | CodeNinja | then you can go to edit->preferences->content and at the bottom it says 'Languages:' |
| 04:11.15 | CodeNinja | openoffice, tools-options-language |
| 04:11.22 | CodeNinja | gimp I can't help you with |
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| 04:11.47 | Tired | thatS for the language of multi-language webpages! |
| 04:11.52 | Tired | not for the browser itself |
| 04:11.52 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: ok - iceweasel is showing default spanish, but the iceweasel toolmenu is still in English |
| 04:12.27 | adb | jpinx-eeepc, use epiphany-browser , it switch automatically whit language environment |
| 04:12.36 | BackLash|TheFly | Hey whats everyones favorite release? squeeze or lenny |
| 04:12.38 | jpinx-eeepc | I need the browsers own file/actions/etc to be in spanish for one user |
| 04:12.55 | BackLash|TheFly | or are there hardcore sids out there |
| 04:12.56 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
| 04:13.07 | Tired | !polls |
| 04:13.08 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 04:13.18 | Tired | hmpf |
| 04:13.31 | Tired | I wanted the one with popcon |
| 04:13.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !popcon |
| 04:13.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 04:13.53 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: maybe restart iceeweasel? |
| 04:14.04 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: the user is a firefox fan ;) |
| 04:14.05 | BackLash|TheFly | lennyhas popcorn |
| 04:14.08 | BackLash|TheFly | i think |
| 04:14.17 | BackLash|TheFly | so im pretty sure all do currently |
| 04:14.20 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: I've done that several times |
| 04:14.31 | CodeNinja | jpinx-eeepc: hm, ask #firefox on oftc |
| 04:14.36 | CodeNinja | er |
| 04:14.39 | CodeNinja | #iceweasel |
| 04:14.48 | CodeNinja | just not my night |
| 04:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | considers the window solution - reboot |
| 04:15.16 | CodeNinja | might work |
| 04:15.34 | BackLash|TheFly | but ive chosen Debian as the best distro to run my servers on after much debate :) now im just looking for what version i want to run im downloading a iso for squeeze right now |
| 04:15.35 | jpinx-eeepc | I really can not believe such an obvious requirement as per-user language selection is so complicated. |
| 04:16.00 | Wyzard | BackLash|TheFly: You'd probably want to run the latest stable version, which currently is lenny |
| 04:16.22 | BackLash|TheFly | Wyzard really ive heard the testing ones are stil;l pretty stable |
| 04:16.30 | jpinx-eeepc | BackLash|TheFly: use lenny for public servers |
| 04:16.32 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, it's not, you're just a bitchy guy who bitches around about it totally needlessly :) |
| 04:16.54 | jpinx-eeepc | bitches at Tired |
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| 04:17.07 | Wyzard | BackLash|TheFly: stable gets prompt security updates; testing doesn't |
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| 04:17.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !stable |
| 04:17.23 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 04:17.29 | jpinx-eeepc | BackLash|TheFly: ^^ |
| 04:17.37 | BackLash|TheFly | ah but iaside from the firewall at my datacenter im not going to have much in the way of security enabled just lots of backups :) |
| 04:17.47 | Wyzard | BackLash|TheFly: and testing is generally fairly reliable, but remember that its *purpose* is to catch bugs so that they don't make it into a stable release |
| 04:18.12 | BackLash|TheFly | its ok i liked lenny ill use that one for now |
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| 04:20.21 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, for iceweasel it's a chrome |
| 04:20.27 | BackLash|TheFly | cruises along at 4mb :) |
| 04:20.37 | Tired | as dpkg -L iceweasel-l10n-es-es shows you |
| 04:21.22 | BackLash|TheFly | ill be in lennyland soon :) |
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| 04:22.31 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders what a chrome is |
| 04:23.14 | BackLash|TheFly | chrome: a web browser developed by GOOGLE |
| 04:23.31 | BackLash|TheFly | @_@ |
| 04:23.56 | CodeNinja | no |
| 04:24.19 | CodeNinja | thats a micromial fail :P |
| 04:24.48 | BackLash|TheFly | hmmmmm time to make some ramen :) |
| 04:24.58 | pickcoder | mm ramen |
| 04:25.07 | pickcoder | I need something to keep me awake |
| 04:25.12 | BackLash|TheFly | try coffee |
| 04:25.17 | BackLash|TheFly | >:) |
| 04:25.20 | pickcoder | apart from blaring Yngwie |
| 04:25.20 | CodeNinja | I can haz a bagely bagely bagel with the creamey cheesey cheesey creamy cheesie |
| 04:25.26 | pickcoder | coffee just gives me heartburn |
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| 04:25.37 | pickcoder | I need some Bawls |
| 04:25.40 | CodeNinja | no java for me, I have to wake up in the am for work |
| 04:25.43 | CodeNinja | scofs |
| 04:25.55 | CodeNinja | those are alright, but yeah, they don't 'energize' me |
| 04:26.11 | pickcoder | Mt Dew helps some, but I've been drinking it for so long it's like water |
| 04:26.28 | CodeNinja | mt.dew and red bull gave me gout |
| 04:26.43 | CodeNinja | now I'm either coffee green tea or water |
| 04:27.48 | pickcoder | I can do lemonade.. water is just too bland |
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| 04:29.25 | pickcoder | the 1-hour repair time for our 'net link has turned into an all night marathan it appears |
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| 04:30.23 | CodeNinja | heh |
| 04:30.47 | pickcoder | over 11 hours and counting now |
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| 04:32.28 | apostle | quicktime movies no longer playing under debian 5.0? |
| 04:34.38 | jpinx-eeepc | CodeNinja: Tired: Iceweasel now behaves :) |
| 04:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks dudes :D |
| 04:34.43 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 04:34.46 | CodeNinja | sure |
| 04:34.51 | Tired | what did you do |
| 04:34.57 | Tired | reboot? :) |
| 04:35.01 | CodeNinja | pickcoder: what was the repair for? |
| 04:35.03 | jpinx-eeepc | now to find the same magic for Ooo and gimp |
| 04:35.07 | pickcoder | wth.. how can a $1 auction have 2 bids and still be $1 |
| 04:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: rebooted my brain ;) |
| 04:35.41 | pickcoder | CodeNinja: someone broke an antenna array bracket holding up a bunch of wireless gear our ISP installed |
| 04:36.14 | CodeNinja | nice |
| 04:36.17 | pickcoder | of course Lowes/Home Depot don't stock antenna array gear so they had to temp move all of the antennas |
| 04:36.24 | CodeNinja | euch |
| 04:36.31 | CodeNinja | and now moving them back? |
| 04:36.41 | pickcoder | no.. they're still setting stuff up |
| 04:36.53 | CodeNinja | ..... |
| 04:36.53 | pickcoder | moving power, eth, etc |
| 04:37.11 | pickcoder | reaiming the parabolic dishes |
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| 04:37.27 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, aha... careful there, because |
| 04:37.28 | pickcoder | lots of fun.. then they get to do it again when they get another bracket welded together for them |
| 04:37.28 | Tired | !acne |
| 04:37.28 | dpkg | hmm... acne is the side effect of the brain overloading with useless information causeing some of the "useless" parts to come out |
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| 04:38.03 | CodeNinja | hahah |
| 04:38.52 | pickcoder | the same happens when you get older.. it just changes your hair color |
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| 04:39.51 | CodeNinja | pickcoder: nah, thats natural, the hair growing out of your ears and such... thats what thats from |
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| 04:40.32 | Tired | pickcoder, no, the color goes out of the hair and into those liver spots that appear all over the body |
| 04:40.48 | CodeNinja | ha |
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| 04:41.04 | BackLash|TheFly | mmmm ramen with cabbage garlic ginger and snowpea and just a bit of mushroom soy sauce |
| 04:41.47 | BackLash|TheFly | just turned a 10c ramen packet into a $3 bowl of soup |
| 04:42.20 | pickcoder | Progresso label? |
| 04:42.40 | pickcoder | that's like a kit car |
| 04:42.40 | BackLash|TheFly | ew |
| 04:43.04 | BackLash|TheFly | progresso ramen? no |
| 04:43.10 | BackLash|TheFly | nissen |
| 04:43.12 | pickcoder | I was saying you stick a label on it |
| 04:43.12 | BackLash|TheFly | ^6 |
| 04:43.15 | pickcoder | n/m |
| 04:43.16 | BackLash|TheFly | oh |
| 04:43.17 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 04:43.31 | BackLash|TheFly | i was like wtf progresso dont make ramen |
| 04:43.50 | pickcoder | I know! that's why it's $3.. |
| 04:43.58 | pickcoder | kinda like a kit car |
| 04:44.30 | BackLash|TheFly | :p |
| 04:44.45 | BackLash|TheFly | i wish a kit car cost $3 |
| 04:45.41 | BackLash|TheFly | btw im gonna go ahead and say i hate centos |
| 04:45.42 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
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| 04:48.17 | BackLash|TheFly | burning the lennyness |
| 04:48.19 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
| 04:48.25 | shivraj | why is gnome so slow ? |
| 04:48.27 | Gratz474 | whats better to use vmware player or virtualbox? |
| 04:48.45 | shivraj | I have 3.0 ghz processor with ddr3 1800 mhz .. and its slewwwwwww |
| 04:48.51 | BackLash|TheFly | uh i used vmware workstation |
| 04:49.03 | chrome | i'm using vmware workstation right now and its solid. |
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| 04:49.11 | BackLash|TheFly | yup |
| 04:49.19 | CodeNinja | vbox :) |
| 04:49.26 | BackLash|TheFly | i was actually able to host a server on vmware without people realizing it ;) |
| 04:49.37 | CodeNinja | BackLash|TheFly: thats the idea |
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| 04:50.23 | BackLash|TheFly | god i hate to make you all hungry but this ramen is sooooooo good |
| 04:50.29 | chrome | i think I have my perfect work machine. Ubuntu with VMware Workstation for the company Windows XP desktop build |
| 04:50.36 | chrome | another 2GB ram would help. |
| 04:50.50 | BackLash|TheFly | Unboobtu |
| 04:50.55 | BackLash|TheFly | D: |
| 04:50.56 | chrome | heh :) |
| 04:51.17 | shivraj | ubuntu what a stupid name |
| 04:51.19 | chrome | I'm lazy when it comes to desktop machines. |
| 04:51.21 | BackLash|TheFly | nah ubuntu makes a fine desktop system but i tried their server and it was terrible |
| 04:51.26 | chrome | debian for the server :) |
| 04:51.34 | chrome | yeah. |
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| 04:51.56 | BackLash|TheFly | and it cant hold process affinities without manually creating a cpuset fs |
| 04:52.02 | chrome | They did things like integrated an alpha version of DRBD which was buggy, which turned me off ever using it on a server. |
| 04:52.09 | adb | !distro war |
| 04:52.10 | dpkg | [distro war] saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt. |
| 04:52.20 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 04:52.31 | Tired | doh |
| 04:52.36 | BackLash|TheFly | who programmed that |
| 04:52.38 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 04:52.40 | BackLash|TheFly | fail |
| 04:52.52 | Tired | !start a distro war |
| 04:52.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 04:53.00 | hakr | lol |
| 04:53.02 | BackLash|TheFly | LMAO |
| 04:53.06 | hakr | truth |
| 04:53.09 | BackLash|TheFly | awesoem |
| 04:53.18 | Tired | adb, guess you meant that? |
| 04:53.30 | adb | yep |
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| 04:54.08 | Tired | African language is amazing that way... all that in a single word |
| 04:54.28 | BackLash|TheFly | mm i love how k3b makes a bugle sound just in case you fell asleep during its slow ass burn |
| 04:54.57 | adb | cose jpinx-eeepc i added a non-english user session .. |
| 04:55.04 | chrome | ugh, why does vmware workstation insist on being on every workspace |
| 04:55.20 | BackLash|TheFly | because its ubuntu |
| 04:55.22 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
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| 04:55.29 | chrome | gdiaf |
| 04:55.37 | BackLash|TheFly | count it |
| 04:55.42 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ |
| 04:57.12 | BackLash|TheFly | next time you see me i will be on a far superior distro |
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| 05:00.15 | macrobat | hannah montana linux? |
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| 05:01.39 | adb | heh , pink hannah montana .. |
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| 05:03.20 | hatter_au | how do i reinstall a whole package including init scripts ? |
| 05:03.56 | adb | do a clean install |
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| 05:04.24 | ssm | hatter_au: see --reinstall in apt-get(8) man page |
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| 05:05.57 | hatter_au | ssm thx |
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| 05:07.20 | Jill | hatter_au: i cant find any |
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| 05:08.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: aren't you asleep yet? |
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| 05:11.45 | adb | cose jpinx-eeepc i added a non-english user session .. including adequate iceweasel |
| 05:12.13 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: yep - I have iceweasel workig now :) |
| 05:12.44 | jpinx-eeepc | just tidying some other stuff before tackling Ooo and gimp |
| 05:13.00 | hatter_au | --reinstall is not reinstall the /etc/init.d script |
| 05:13.25 | jpinx-eeepc | hatter_au: man aptitude |
| 05:13.54 | jpinx-eeepc | hatter_au: aptitude purge <oldpkg> && aptitude install <newpkg> |
| 05:14.29 | AndrewBC | If I add a task to crontab, and it errors, does the info get mailed to the owner, when using logrotate? |
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| 05:15.22 | AndrewBC | I guess if it logs |
| 05:15.31 | AndrewBC | Hm |
| 05:16.33 | hatter_au | jpinx-eeepc, aptitude --purge apache2 && aptitude install apache2 is not restoring the apache2 init script |
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| 05:17.44 | jpinx-eeepc | hatter_au: aptitude does not toch config files |
| 05:17.50 | jpinx-eeepc | *touch |
| 05:17.50 | sherl0ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.04 | jpinx-eeepc | unplug it? ;) |
| 05:18.14 | hatter_au | jpinx-eeepc, how do i reinstall the config files ? |
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| 05:18.33 | vvesley | RONALDO! :D |
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| 05:18.57 | sherl0ck | jpinx-eeepc, but i need to use both, but i want to configure one |
| 05:19.09 | jpinx-eeepc | hatter_au: purge and reinstall the package to get a basic config and then do it by handr |
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| 05:19.35 | macrobat | !confmiss |
| 05:19.35 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:19.58 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks macrobat :) |
| 05:20.17 | hatter_au | macrobat, thx |
| 05:20.38 | macrobat | it pays off to idle in this channel |
| 05:20.46 | jpinx-eeepc | always ;) |
| 05:21.16 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the command like tunefs that allows you an option to name a device/volume (usb stick) |
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| 05:23.46 | hatter_au | except,... the aptitude confmiss didnt restore my init.d script. |
| 05:24.08 | macrobat | tune2fs -L for label. works for ext type filesystems |
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| 05:24.33 | jpinx-eeepc | macrobat: thanks again:) |
| 05:26.33 | jpinx-eeepc | that's for ext - anything for vfat ? |
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| 05:27.42 | flourish | hi all, a quick question. Howto find out all perl script in my debian squeeze system |
| 05:28.15 | adb | jpinx-eeepc, usb stick come whit his/her fabric/vendor name , |
| 05:29.19 | peterrooney | flourish: find / -type f -exec file {} \; | grep perl would be my first guess. |
| 05:29.55 | peterrooney | flourish: as root, probably, and 2>/dev/null |
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| 05:30.52 | flourish | find / -type f -exec file {} \; 2> /dev/null | grep -i perl ??? |
| 05:31.33 | peterrooney | flourish: find / -type f -exec file {} \; | awk -F: ' $2 ~/perl/ ' would be my second guess. |
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| 05:33.38 | flourish | peterrooney: but for files which located in directory with 'perl' character, it will wrong |
| 05:34.26 | flourish | ./liburi-perl/README.Debian: ASCII English text |
| 05:34.39 | flourish | /usr/share/doc/liburi-perl/README.Debian |
| 05:35.25 | flourish | peterrooney: well, the second seems better than first :-) |
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| 05:37.35 | jpinx-eeepc | adb yes - but this is a disaster recovery situation and the name got corrupted |
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| 05:42.02 | flourish | peterrooney: thanks and i use find ./ -type f -exec file {} \; | perl -F/:/ -ane ' print if $F[1] =~ /perl/; ' :-) |
| 05:43.00 | peterrooney | flourish: but what are you trying to do? stats? |
| 05:43.31 | flourish | peterrooney: trying to learning howto write good perl script, ha:-) |
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| 05:48.15 | Aalinux | Usb -creator |
| 05:52.02 | Aalinux | How to install unetbootin on debian? |
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| 06:19.21 | xeon-enouf | flourish: ~$ find /usr/share/man/ -name '*3pm*' ? |
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| 06:36.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:36.17 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
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| 06:37.55 | BackLash|TheFly | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.135 80] <-- i keep getting those no matter what mirror i select |
| 06:37.56 | xeon-enouf | heh, i was just about to call for qotd :-p |
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| 06:39.49 | xeon-enouf | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ exists |
| 06:39.58 | BackLash|TheFly | i know |
| 06:39.59 | xeon-enouf | there's no updates/ there |
| 06:39.59 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 06:40.32 | xeon-enouf | so stop using faulty software, like update-<whatever> |
| 06:41.33 | BackLash|TheFly | thats not exactly a helpful answer... in fact i seem to sense a certain malice to it.. its unappreciated |
| 06:42.11 | BackLash|TheFly | im updating my apt BTW |
| 06:42.24 | BackLash|TheFly | are you saying apt is faulty? |
| 06:42.37 | BackLash|TheFly | pretty bold if you ask me |
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| 06:43.52 | valdyn | BackLash|TheFly: not the mirror is wrong, but the stuff after the mirror in your configuration line |
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| 06:44.37 | BackLash|TheFly | valdyn: hmm im looking for a mirror with the proper paths. |
| 06:44.58 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 06:44.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:45.22 | xeon-enouf | BackLash|TheFly: no APT isn't faulty - /msg dpkg pebkac ;-) |
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| 06:45.46 | BackLash|TheFly | xeon i understand a pebkac and you are definitely one |
| 06:45.47 | Akki | i need some help |
| 06:45.54 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 06:46.02 | xeon-enouf | Akki: 'splain |
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| 06:46.09 | Akki | ok |
| 06:46.18 | Akki | i have about 23 host in my |
| 06:46.24 | Akki | filezilla app |
| 06:46.39 | Akki | but now i dont remember the passwords of them |
| 06:46.40 | xeon-enouf | Akki: stop ... all in one line please ;-) |
| 06:46.46 | Akki | ok |
| 06:47.29 | Akki | i have about 23 host in my filezilla application in that quickconnect option but now i dont remember the password of some servers so wat to do?? |
| 06:47.47 | xeon-enouf | much nicer, thanks |
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| 06:48.25 | Akki | now can u help me retrieveing those passwords |
| 06:48.59 | xeon-enouf | i wouldn't know how - never used filezilla |
| 06:49.08 | Akki | :( |
| 06:49.14 | Akki | ok |
| 06:49.24 | Akki | then maybe u can tell me how my site is |
| 06:49.32 | Akki | http://crister.jlkfree.com |
| 06:49.45 | Akki | chk it out n tell me hows it |
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| 06:50.08 | xeon-enouf | Akki: hang around - you're running which Debian release - try ##linux and/or ##networking - try again in few hours |
| 06:50.32 | BackLash|TheFly | ha fixed |
| 06:50.47 | Akki | i just asked u to chk out my site// thats all |
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| 06:51.05 | Unregistered | http://bit.ly/26ax7L ->if possible need help |
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| 06:51.37 | Arrowmaster | Akki: install wireshark and sniff the ftp login info from the network as you connect to the host |
| 06:52.02 | Akki | thnxx |
| 06:52.05 | xeon-enouf | !sunday |
| 06:52.06 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:52.20 | Arrowmaster | but its monday |
| 06:52.42 | xeon-enouf | not in Hawaii :-p |
| 06:52.42 | BackLash|TheFly | btw xeon its pebcac theres no K in chair |
| 06:52.42 | BackLash|TheFly | ;) |
| 06:53.02 | BackLash|TheFly | lol khair |
| 06:53.03 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
| 06:53.42 | Akki | any indian out here?? |
| 06:53.45 | zinx | BackLash|TheFly: lol ceyboard |
| 06:53.58 | BackLash|TheFly | eh you could say keyboard i guess |
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| 06:54.04 | BackLash|TheFly | i always heard it as computer |
| 06:54.06 | BackLash|TheFly | and chair |
| 06:54.11 | Akki | yup u cud have said that |
| 06:54.25 | zinx | BackLash|TheFly: yeah, but you clearly don't hang around geeks :P |
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| 06:54.40 | BackLash|TheFly | cruising for an ignore ;) |
| 06:54.46 | zinx | BackLash|TheFly: bring it on ;) |
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| 06:55.01 | BackLash|TheFly | poof |
| 06:55.02 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
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| 06:56.07 | BackLash|TheFly | !distro war |
| 06:56.07 | dpkg | distro war is probably saying debian is better than knoppix, even though it obviously isnt. |
| 06:56.27 | BackLash|TheFly | aww its only one message? |
| 06:56.41 | BackLash|TheFly | was hoping it had more funny things to say :) |
| 06:56.46 | dysfunctional | screen -d |
| 06:56.50 | dysfunctional | damn it |
| 06:57.12 | simonrvn | BackLash|TheFly: *plonk* |
| 06:57.14 | techie | does debian have good support for older ATI cards (ATI Rage mobility)? |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | fuck, nothing but inanities |
| 06:57.45 | BackLash|TheFly | simonrvn: hmm? |
| 06:57.58 | BackLash|TheFly | simonrvn: who dare plonkith me |
| 06:58.03 | xeon-enouf | techie: that'd be more xorg/kernel related, not distro per se - but it should - try #radeon |
| 06:58.04 | liable | techie: yeah |
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| 06:58.42 | techie | thankyou xeon-enouf and liable you are more helpful in one message each than some people were earlier |
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| 07:00.02 | BackLash|TheFly | compiles kernel :P ill brb going to the store forchips and soda |
| 07:00.03 | liable | there was some issue with old cards that got kicked out of fglrx, but the r200/300 drivers are good |
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| 07:00.29 | simonrvn | yeh, i have a radeon 9k, works well with the Free drivers |
| 07:00.39 | xeon-enouf | techie: could do 'man ati' and man r128 |
| 07:00.51 | techie | liable, this card is pre fglrx i believe and in a powerpc system so theres no fglrx version for it |
| 07:00.58 | simonrvn | have 3d, opengl, working fine |
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| 07:01.41 | techie | simonrvn, i also have a 9600XT in this machine running the opensource drivers, they are really good |
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| 07:02.38 | dextro_ | i was just wondering if connecting to more than one AP with one wifi card was possible on linux like it is windows |
| 07:03.08 | xeon-enouf | dextro_: you mean at the same time? |
| 07:03.19 | dextro_ | yes |
| 07:03.27 | liable | i doubt windows can do that.. |
| 07:03.29 | techie | oh yeah, i almost forgot my other question... does debian have wpa support out of the box? |
| 07:03.31 | Unregistered | http://bit.ly/Tp2F1 Is this good?need advice from pros |
| 07:03.43 | liable | techie: yes, not in the installer though |
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| 07:03.52 | techie | thankyou |
| 07:03.53 | dextro_ | libable: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/994abd5f-53d1-4dba-a9d8-8ba1dcccead7/ why would i lie? |
| 07:04.28 | simonrvn | !ops Unregistered spamming |
| 07:04.29 | Akki | hey exno.. plzz can u tell me again d name of that software.. for ftp connection |
| 07:04.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: Unregistered spamming |
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| 07:04.31 | Akki | ????????????? |
| 07:04.33 | liable | techie: if you don't install gnome or kde, you'll have to install it yourself with apt, but thats ok |
| 07:05.03 | techie | yeah, im all sweet with apt and everything, done alot of work with *buntu |
| 07:05.16 | Akki | exno |
| 07:05.40 | Akki | buddy |
| 07:05.46 | xeon-enouf | noex? |
| 07:06.03 | Akki | m tokin 2 u |
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| 07:06.08 | xeon-enouf | Akki: wireshark |
| 07:06.11 | Akki | plzz tell dat soft's name again |
| 07:06.12 | hoxu | How can you generate/send keypresses & mouse movement in X? |
| 07:06.15 | Akki | ohh thnxx |
| 07:06.19 | dextro_ | read it liable? |
| 07:06.30 | xeon-enouf | Akki: please stop being annoying ;-) |
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| 07:07.42 | xeon-enouf | hoxu: i know, but completely forget - try #xorg ? |
| 07:08.05 | dextro_ | liable realize your a moron now? |
| 07:08.09 | liable | dextro_: it hops, its not really actually associated to each one at the same time. well, it could be associated, but sending traffic to all at once isn't really possible, and I dont really see what its point is. but, its new to me too. i wasn't saying you were lying, i was doubtfull. |
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| 07:08.29 | liable | dextro_: oh fuck off. i was typing out a considored response. welcome to ignore |
| 07:08.56 | dextro_ | well the point is that wifi usally well exceeds peoples connection |
| 07:09.15 | dextro_ | so it would be easy to use one card to load balance over 3 or 4 wifi networks |
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| 07:09.48 | dextro_ | (maxing out each APs inet but still downloading under the cards max) |
| 07:09.57 | xeon-enouf | dextro_: *plonk* |
| 07:10.05 | hoxu | xeon-enouf, guess I will, but let me know if you remember any keywords :) |
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| 07:10.22 | xeon-enouf | hoxu: xev :-) (but that;s not it) |
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| 07:12.07 | dextro_ | i wonder if anyone else in here has /ignored me with liable because i am speaking of something windows can do linux cant :o |
| 07:12.21 | dextro_ | ignorance is bliss amirite? |
| 07:12.22 | Lloir | .. |
| 07:12.31 | Lloir | hits dextro_ |
| 07:12.36 | dextro_ | cries |
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| 07:12.38 | techie | i havent /ignored you dextro_ im just filtering what i read |
| 07:12.43 | Lloir | lol same |
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| 07:13.16 | simonrvn | dextro_: welcome to plonkland |
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| 07:13.32 | dextro_ | what is ment by this plonk you speak of |
| 07:14.12 | dextro_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_%28usenet%29 |
| 07:14.13 | dextro_ | oic |
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| 07:40.02 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 07:40.03 | dpkg | que tal |
| 07:40.19 | rumpsy | dpkg help |
| 07:40.22 | zophy | que mon ami |
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| 07:40.48 | zophy | se estabal lone estable ? |
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| 07:41.07 | sterna | what's the easiest way to rebuild lenny's kernel to become preemptive? |
| 07:41.09 | zophy | mon se que lesbon |
| 07:41.23 | sterna | or even beter |
| 07:41.25 | rumpsy | hi everybody |
| 07:41.36 | sterna | better... are there docs on how to build the latest kernel, debian way? |
| 07:41.38 | rumpsy | How can i upgrade my tcl |
| 07:42.16 | zophy | debian way.. well my way is better |
| 07:42.34 | zophy | i wrote a script you see.. |
| 07:43.01 | zophy | it revolutionized cernel kompiling for me |
| 07:43.22 | zophy | those machines weren't ready\ |
| 07:43.36 | zophy | i provide protection |
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| 07:44.24 | zophy | tetra liquid safety |
| 07:44.39 | sterna | great. |
| 07:44.55 | rumpsy | Oops, no more answer |
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| 07:45.43 | rumpsy | youtube videos are not playing.... can anyone give me a suggestion |
| 07:45.47 | zophy | there are levels of pre-emption presented in 'make menuconfig' |
| 07:46.33 | zophy | i wish i could be less ultra-dimensional |
| 07:46.44 | zophy | but i am the way i am |
| 07:47.07 | streuner | itym |
| 07:47.27 | zophy | pffft |
| 07:48.22 | zophy | tomorrow the big truck comes to take away the smelly trash |
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| 07:52.07 | soreau | Hello |
| 07:52.12 | soreau | I need help with tar. I am trying to extract a file from /tmp/archive.tar.gz to a directory in /usr. So far I have 'tar -xzf /tmp/archive.tar.gz path/in/archive/file.ext -C /usr/some/path' and I want it to extract file.ext into /usr/some/path but instead, it is creating path/in/archive/file.ext in the CWD. How am I supposed to do this or is it possible? |
| 07:53.24 | soreau | I don't know where else I can get help with tar. I concocted this command just by reading the man page which also says the author is affiliated with debian |
| 07:53.37 | Roksteady | soreau: read the man page for tar, search for "strip-components" |
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| 07:56.09 | BackLash|TheFly | lmao |
| 07:56.12 | soreau | Roksteady: Well that doesn't help me tell it where to extract the single file from the archive *to* |
| 07:56.21 | BackLash|TheFly | i came back to my computer and theres a bitmap panda face on my screen |
| 07:56.36 | BackLash|TheFly | was like wtf... |
| 07:57.31 | soreau | Roksteady: It just strips the prefixed directories from the path in the archive. I am trying to extract a single file and tell it to extract to -> /usr/some/path |
| 07:58.48 | soreau | Roksteady: Seems I can extract the entire archive to a directory but not a single file to a directory. It just dumps to current working directory when extracting a single file |
| 07:59.04 | Roksteady | either change your workdir to that path or -C /that/basepath |
| 07:59.37 | Roksteady | so tar xzvf file.tar.gz -C /somepath --strip 3 |
| 07:59.41 | soreau | Roksteady: That's the deal. -C /that/basepath isn't working for me with a single file. Only with the whole archive |
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| 08:00.10 | Roksteady | i see, I haven't encountered this particular situation before. |
| 08:00.30 | soreau | I guess it would classify as a bug in tar |
| 08:00.41 | soreau | Or a lacking feature ;) |
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| 08:01.55 | soreau | Roksteady: Thanks for your help, I guess I will just cd /into/the/target/dir and run tar that way |
| 08:01.57 | Roksteady | works for me |
| 08:02.01 | soreau | What? |
| 08:02.28 | soreau | Roksteady: Can you say exactly which command you're using? |
| 08:02.28 | Roksteady | even -C works |
| 08:02.34 | Roksteady | tar xzvf /tmp/msm.tar.gz -C /tmp/somepath --strip 2 |
| 08:02.59 | Roksteady | produces output: MSM_Linux_P16_209-01/disk/readme.txt, but file: /tmp/somepath/readme.txt |
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| 08:03.27 | soreau | Roksteady: That dumps the entire archive though. I'm trying to extract a single file from the archive |
| 08:03.36 | Roksteady | ah rite! |
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| 08:04.16 | Roksteady | tar xzvf /tmp/msm.tar.gz -C /tmp/somepath --strip 2 MSM_Linux_P16_209-01/disk/readme.txt -> output: MSM_Linux_P16_209-01/disk/readme.txt, file: /tmp/somepath/readme.txt |
| 08:04.17 | soreau | That's the whole deal. -C worksforme2(TM) while dumping the entire archive |
| 08:04.19 | Roksteady | that also works |
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| 08:05.51 | soreau | hmm |
| 08:05.56 | soreau | tries it |
| 08:07.11 | Roksteady | apparently --strip also filters on directory depths |
| 08:07.35 | Roksteady | it not only removes the prefix paths from the output, it skips everything below that directory level. |
| 08:07.40 | Roksteady | --skip 50 gave me nothing :) |
| 08:07.54 | Roksteady | I mean -strip 50 |
| 08:08.40 | soreau | Well I'll be. It's just because I had the ordering of args wrong |
| 08:08.46 | soreau | I figured it would work |
| 08:08.57 | soreau | Roksteady: Keep Rockin Steady! :) |
| 08:09.22 | Roksteady | I will ) |
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| 08:11.52 | Mark01 | Hello. |
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| 08:16.33 | soreau | Roksteady: I was just about to give up too, thanks again |
| 08:16.46 | soreau | works great now (is for a script I'm writing) |
| 08:16.47 | Roksteady | soreau: you're welcome |
| 08:16.51 | rumpsy | still, no response |
| 08:17.10 | soreau | rumpsy: What's wrong? |
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| 08:17.45 | rumpsy | i already asked my query here |
| 08:18.00 | rumpsy | youtube videos are not playing.... |
| 08:18.22 | rumpsy | It is asking me to upgrade flash player..... |
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| 08:18.43 | rumpsy | But i found no way to upgrade flash player |
| 08:19.56 | Glebelg | hi all, i try to find all accessible shares of a nfs server , i know the server IP but how to find possible shares? thank you (sorry for my poor english) |
| 08:20.30 | soreau | rumpsy: Does debian have flashplugin-nonfree package? I'm assuming not since it's an 'omg free' distro |
| 08:20.47 | soreau | rumpsy: Try apt-cache search flash and see if you can find anything |
| 08:21.02 | soreau | rumpsy: Also, the free implementation is called gnash |
| 08:21.12 | rumpsy | sure, please give few second |
| 08:21.25 | soreau | rumpsy: In any case, after you install it (if you can find it) restart your browser |
| 08:21.29 | Arrowmaster | judd flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:21.31 | judd | Arrowmaster: Error: "flashplugin-nonfree" is not a valid command. |
| 08:21.37 | Arrowmaster | judd versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:21.40 | judd | Arrowmaster: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 08:21.41 | iceroot | rumpsy: not in the mail-repro but is should be in non-free |
| 08:21.46 | avu | !flash |
| 08:21.46 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 08:22.20 | soreau | Arrowmaster: avu: iceroot: Where were you guys when he asked in the first place? lol |
| 08:23.00 | Arrowmaster | note that its not in lenny, you have to use backports if you need it for lenny |
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| 08:24.41 | soreau | Alright you guys don't have too much fun now |
| 08:24.43 | soreau | rumpsy: gl |
| 08:24.49 | soreau | Roksteady: Rock on man ;) |
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| 08:24.59 | rumpsy | well, i'm updating now.... |
| 08:25.09 | Leins | 2~ |
| 08:25.29 | rumpsy | I need to restart my browser |
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| 08:28.21 | bohne | hi, how can i find files which have been modified on a specified date? |
| 08:28.36 | rumpsy | video playback in hangs, ,and asking me to upgrade to adobe flash player 10 for better performance |
| 08:28.48 | rumpsy | video playback hangs, ,and asking me to upgrade to adobe flash player 10 for better performance |
| 08:28.56 | bohne | i do not understand the documentation of find -mtime y |
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| 08:32.35 | g00se | Anything good to check on who's hosting a site from the command line? |
| 08:32.35 | liable | whos hosting it, or who owns the domain name? |
| 08:33.13 | g00se | liable: The former. I |
| 08:33.28 | g00se | would like to use it together with whois |
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| 08:34.16 | wzssyqa | will sid have gnome3 at first time? |
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| 08:35.14 | liable | g00se: only thing i can think of, and its not really doable from command line, is to find out who owns the ip range its in |
| 08:35.42 | liable | but then, thats probably not very good anyway |
| 08:36.02 | _Trinity_-dinner | well it seems not allproxes are created equal |
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| 08:37.07 | jel | liable: whois ip-address ? |
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| 08:38.44 | liable | jel: oh, that actually works |
| 08:38.56 | jel | liable: yep, very handy |
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| 08:39.33 | g00se | liable: Hmm. http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=network&host=$HOSTNAME looks to be doing something like it. Looks like it's quite whois-based... |
| 08:40.13 | liable | jel: does that work in all cases? for some reason i didn't think it did, which is probably from past experience |
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| 08:43.39 | jel | liable: I seem to remember some similar idea, but I've used it a lot, and I don't recall it ever failing. But I might not deal with the same IPs as you. |
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| 08:44.06 | jel | liable: I imagine the whois docs should list limitations somewhere, if any |
| 08:44.20 | liable | yeah, probably. |
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| 08:47.25 | kraut | moin |
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| 08:48.12 | middayc | hi, does anyone have any idea why one quite simple iptables setup would work as expected on one debian VPS and not on the other? |
| 08:49.31 | joltcan | middayc: is this in the virtual host? |
| 08:50.04 | xeon-enouf | middayc: different configs, different kernels and modules, different versions of pkgs |
| 08:50.05 | joltcan | middayc: Since I have come across a few provides that doesn't have iptables enabled in the kernel in the hosts |
| 08:50.53 | middayc | yes, both are VPS-s |
| 08:50.55 | rumpsy | how can i check my tcl version |
| 08:51.00 | xeon-enouf | g00se: dig ? |
| 08:51.04 | middayc | config is like this http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=931 |
| 08:51.08 | xeon-enouf | g00se: finger ? |
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| 08:51.54 | xeon-enouf | rumpsy: dpkg -l \*tcl\* | grep ^ii |
| 08:52.40 | middayc | what is strange is that unless I set up "iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT" instead of "iptables -P INPUT DROP" which is the whole point I can't make OUPTUT connections from that VPS .. like making a http or smtp request |
| 08:53.05 | rumpsy | Thx |
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| 08:57.47 | g00se | thinks this is the best i've found so far: whois -h whois.geektools.co <IP> |
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| 09:00.10 | g00se | But thanks folks |
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| 09:02.25 | kripz | so i was rebuilding my raid5, i did a mdadm --stop /dev/md0, now i reboot it and it has to start all over, i thought it supported resumimng? |
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| 09:04.12 | simonrvn | kripz: never has in all the time i've seen or used it. |
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| 09:04.17 | xeon-enouf | kripz: see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 09:04.41 | xeon-enouf | kripz: mdadm also has a monitor mode |
| 09:05.45 | xeon-enouf | kripz: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the man pages, (and /etc/cron*/mdadm just to notice it) |
| 09:05.56 | kripz | thats cool, i swear i read somewher that it supported resuming |
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| 09:08.29 | _Trinity_ | .exit |
| 09:08.42 | xeon-enouf | heh; cd /usr/share/doc/mdadm ; sudo gunzip * |
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| 09:09.16 | xeon-enouf | rgrep -i resume . nothing ;-) |
| 09:09.40 | kripz | that's what you get for trusting the internet :) |
| 09:09.56 | kripz | doesnt matter, only 2 hours lost. |
| 09:10.00 | epifanio | hi, i need to install session-sounds (when i log-in / log-out) on my debian sid, have you any clue about doc or what packages i need to install ? |
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| 09:10.21 | xeon-enouf | maybe you were thinking of lvm2 or something? (though not sure if that's supported either) |
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| 09:10.48 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: gnome session? |
| 09:10.56 | xeon-enouf | some applets? |
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| 09:11.35 | epifanio | can i use them on a xfce window engine ? it use gdm |
| 09:11.46 | Jill | can i increase my video adapter performance... i saw my friend's fedora and his 3d acceleration... i want it too in my debian. what can i do then if i have just xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd? |
| 09:12.24 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: gdm is just the DM, search your xfce4 things |
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| 09:13.30 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: xfce4 is a DE (Desktop Env) like KDE or GNOME are (though smaller, more lightweight many say) .. just to clarify |
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| 09:15.06 | epifanio | so i can't mix xfce4 as desktop environment and gnome-session to manage log-in/out-sounds, i'll try to goggle about an xfce4 alternatives |
| 09:15.22 | xeon-enouf | Jill: lspci | grep VGA |
| 09:15.54 | Jill | xeon-enouf: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 09:16.00 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: i think you can |
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| 09:16.31 | epifanio | ah! so googling about it and how to configure gnome-session to enable sounds, thanx xeon-enouf |
| 09:16.40 | maxagaz | how to do "ls -lart" on a directory recursively ? |
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| 09:17.13 | xeon-enouf | epifanio: oh, only login, logout sounds? still likely up to your gnome-session settings, or try gconf-editor or gconftool-2 or "man gnome[TAB][TAB]" or System > Preferences > |
| 09:17.59 | epifanio | great i'll try it of course |
| 09:18.03 | xeon-enouf | Jill: ok, and 'grep radeon_drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
| 09:18.33 | xeon-enouf | Jill: er "egrep 'radeon_drv|radeonhd_drv' /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
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| 09:19.02 | Jill | xeon-enouf: first command: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so |
| 09:19.19 | asdasdas | hello i'm trying to install vmware tools in debian but i get some strange errors can somebody help me? |
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| 09:19.57 | Jill | xeon-enouf: second: |
| 09:19.57 | Jill | zerone:/home/jillsmitt# grep 'radeon_drv|radeonhd_drv' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:19.57 | Jill | zerone:/home/jillsmitt# |
| 09:20.14 | Jill | nothing |
| 09:21.02 | xeon-enouf | Jill: ok, so just grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:21.17 | xeon-enouf | Jill: and don't paste into channel anything more than 1 line |
| 09:21.29 | xeon-enouf | Jill: use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 09:21.54 | xeon-enouf | Jill: or just show us the video_drv.so line, perhaps you're using vesa_drv.so |
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| 09:22.26 | Jill | http://paste.org.ru/?3z3bdg |
| 09:23.06 | iateadonut | if i've got a virtual host directing towards a subdirectory in a user's home, it has a permissions error; when i reset the virtual host configuration to point to /var/www, it works properly (but points to /var/www/ instead of /home/user/site/); both have the same permissions; chown/chgrp to root of the files in the virtual host root directory doesn't work... both the default host and the virtual host have the same <directory /> configuration... what could be |
| 09:23.28 | Jill | Ð_о.. thats the problems |
| 09:23.28 | xeon-enouf | welp, you did your egrep incorrectly ;-) |
| 09:23.29 | xeon-enouf | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so |
| 09:24.37 | Jill | xeon-enouf: vesa driver needed? |
| 09:24.39 | xeon-enouf | Jill: you'd probably need 'fglrx' for 3D for ATI cards - ask your friend or have them run those commands |
| 09:24.54 | xeon-enouf | Jill: nah - vesa is a basic one, a fallback |
| 09:25.09 | Jill | okay i ask him later |
| 09:25.33 | xeon-enouf | Jill: i just don't know if you shuold try/use radeonhd, instead of radeon -- /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd |
| 09:25.40 | xeon-enouf | and see #radeon |
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| 09:25.52 | Jill | or if i found any docs... maybe ill install cool 3d by myself.. |
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| 09:30.52 | peterssd | hi! |
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| 09:31.19 | peterssd | i´m having troubles with i/o in my debian 5.0 |
| 09:31.30 | peterssd | i think it is a bottleneck |
| 09:31.35 | peterssd | Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rMB/s wMB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await svctm %util |
| 09:31.35 | peterssd | sda 11.50 120.50 22.00 42.50 2.07 0.72 88.81 63.35 1311.63 15.50 100.00 |
| 09:31.39 | peterssd | is it excessive? |
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| 09:37.31 | konr | how can I authorize a user to run X? |
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| 09:38.48 | petemc | what is telling you you're not authorized to run x? |
| 09:39.00 | Jill | xeon-enouf: (03:37:51 PM) AStorm: ask them (#debian) about drm radeon kernel module |
| 09:40.17 | nsadmin | konr: might be helpful to describe exactly what you're trying to do |
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| 09:41.29 | konr | Well, I'm trying to run another window manager in another display. I ran `startx -- :1` and got "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" |
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| 09:41.38 | iateadonut | all i have in the error log is this: [Mon Sep 28 09:39:52 2009] [error] [client 65.60.56.139] (13)Permission denied: access to / denied |
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| 09:42.50 | xeon-enouf | Jill: well .. there's been mucho flux with kernel dev, so i'm not sure what you need, but do "modinfo drm" and /msg dpkg radeon |
| 09:43.34 | xeon-enouf | Jill: and which debian version are you using? cat /proc/version ; cat /etc/issue.net |
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| 09:46.13 | kernel | hi |
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| 09:46.54 | andreus | hello, i have a slight problem. i've just installed debian lenny, after that went to software sources admin and checked a few options so it would let me download fglrx ati driver. after restart my gdm doesn't want to start and currently i'm trying to find a way to find in shell. does anyone have ideas about what have happened? |
| 09:48.40 | Jill | xeon-enouf: 5.0.3 |
| 09:48.51 | andreus | it says: no matching device section and cannot connect to x server |
| 09:49.05 | andreus | is there a way to revert back to default debian driver? |
| 09:50.08 | andreus | any suggestions? |
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| 09:50.42 | xeon-enouf | andreus: not sure what you mean by "after that went to software sources admin and checked a few options" |
| 09:51.15 | xeon-enouf | but if you want, man xorg.conf and add a Device section |
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| 09:52.07 | andreus | in administration menu there is software update sources or... don't remember exactly. i've enabled additional repositories |
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| 09:52.23 | cq | hello, i want to install testing in a virtualbox VM, does it make a difference in speed/performance/stability/whatever to use 64 instead of plain x86? |
| 09:53.15 | iateadonut | probably |
| 09:53.51 | cq | probably, meaning go with 64 bit because it's faster, or ... ? |
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| 09:54.36 | NoReflex | Hey guys! Do you know of a way to find out which compile options were used to build a deb package from Debian's repositories? |
| 09:54.50 | Techie | if perform a base install of debian via the netinstall cd, then apt-get install gnome will it resolve X as a dependancy? |
| 09:55.01 | andreus | i guess i'm too inexperienced to use debian ;) |
| 09:55.07 | cq | NoReflex: look at the source package, the build scripts are in there |
| 09:55.09 | andreus | Techie, thanks. i'll try |
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| 09:55.21 | cq | Techie: it should |
| 09:55.23 | Techie | andreus- umm thanks.... |
| 09:55.39 | asdasdas | does somebody know how to install vmware tools in debian ? |
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| 09:56.07 | SlayerXP | asdasdas: yes, vmware's excellent support forums do. |
| 09:56.27 | cq | asdasdas: do you need vmware? else virtualbox works as well... http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 09:56.45 | NoReflex | cq : Do i retrieve the package with apt-get source pkg_name and the search for the scripts? |
| 09:57.29 | xeon-enouf | NoReflex: the debian/rules file is a makefile, read that |
| 09:57.36 | cq | NoReflex: google 'apt-get source' : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 09:57.38 | asdasdas | cq is that to host virtual machines in debian ? |
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| 09:58.07 | cq | asdasdas: yes, I have one server and 3-4 virtual machines using that... vmwaer is a little more powerful I think, but virtualbox is more userfriendly I think |
| 09:58.16 | cantido | what's the switch to get openssh to open a connection (forwarding etc) but not start a shell? can't find it anywhere |
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| 09:58.23 | asdasdas | cq yeah i know |
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| 09:58.26 | asdasdas | but i need vmware |
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| 09:59.04 | cantido | asdasdas: install it then, there is a script to create vmware debs IIRC |
| 09:59.19 | hatter_au | i have a machine thats been compromised... its offline now, however i cannot rename 'ls' : these are the permissions -rwxr-xr-x 1 501 501 39696 Jan 30 2007 ls |
| 09:59.19 | hatter_au | what would stop me being able to rename this ? |
| 09:59.34 | _saw | How do I delete all files that end on ~ ? I tryed rm -rf *~, but i want to delete also files in subdirectories |
| 09:59.37 | asdasdas | cantido what do u mean ? |
| 09:59.48 | hatter_au | i get 'Operation not permitted' |
| 09:59.50 | cantido | asdasdas: if you *need* vmware, install it |
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| 10:00.04 | cantido | hatter_au: look at the extended attributes.. |
| 10:00.28 | asdasdas | cantido i know itrying |
| 10:00.33 | asdasdas | but i get some strange errors |
| 10:00.52 | Techie | hatter_au- are you the owner of the file? |
| 10:01.14 | hatter_au | Techie, ues |
| 10:01.16 | hatter_au | Techie, yes |
| 10:01.17 | cantido | maybe the vmware-pkg script is gone.. |
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| 10:01.32 | hatter_au | Techie, well, I am root |
| 10:01.32 | xeon-enouf | _saw: try cd /parent/dir/ ; then "rm -rd ./*~" if i understand you correctly, but make BACKUPs first! |
| 10:01.50 | cantido | hatter_au: the files could be immutable |
| 10:01.54 | xeon-enouf | hatter_au: dmesg | grep -i selinux |
| 10:01.55 | cantido | hatter_au: lsattr |
| 10:02.07 | xeon-enouf | that too |
| 10:02.21 | xeon-enouf | user:group of 501 is odd |
| 10:02.38 | hatter_au | s---ia------------ ls |
| 10:02.44 | cantido | xeon-enouf: system user/group maybe |
| 10:02.46 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 10:02.58 | xeon-enouf | i see i there ;) |
| 10:03.09 | asdasdas | what do u mea with vmware-pkg ? |
| 10:03.09 | xeon-enouf | so chattr -i /bin/ls |
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| 10:03.31 | cantido | asdasdas: back in the day there was a package to create vmware .debs from their installer |
| 10:03.37 | xeon-enouf | no idea why you want to rename, just reinstall |
| 10:03.39 | cantido | asdasdas: it doesnt seem to be available anymore |
| 10:03.54 | hatter_au | xeon-enouf, ah, i am chrootied to this box, it wont let me |
| 10:04.06 | hatter_au | chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /bin/ls |
| 10:04.07 | andreus | hmm, uninstalling all base drivers, xserver and reinstalling certain drivers helped. thanks anyway |
| 10:04.44 | xeon-enouf | hatter_au: is it mounted ro? |
| 10:04.48 | asdasdas | cantido look here |
| 10:04.49 | asdasdas | http://nopaste.php-quake.net/254198 |
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| 10:05.05 | asdasdas | this is what i see when i hit vmware-config-tools.pl |
| 10:05.18 | hatter_au | xeon-enouf, no, sda1 isnt |
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| 10:05.33 | mactimes | Would someone be able to tell me if there is any package I could install to have my current setup (Apache+PHP) running Apache+PHP+Ajax? |
| 10:05.43 | cantido | asdasdas: ok, so you have the classic "vmware modules dont build against my kernel" issue.. solution, use something less retarded like kvm or virtualboc |
| 10:05.43 | xeon-enouf | ~$ lsattr /bin/ls |
| 10:05.44 | xeon-enouf | lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on /bin/ls |
| 10:06.00 | xeon-enouf | mine's resierfs though ;-) |
| 10:06.00 | cantido | mactimes: ajax is client side |
| 10:06.11 | _saw | xeon-enouf, It still doesn't delete ~ ending files in subdirectories :/. |
| 10:06.23 | xeon-enouf | hatter_au: file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 10:06.38 | hatter_au | stinkin script kiddies... wasted my avo, havent found the entry point yet |
| 10:06.52 | cantido | mactimes: ajax == javascript that calls remote methods |
| 10:06.57 | GutterPunk | Hi. I configured an NFS kernel server on my NAS, which I've mounted on the vm server. If I time a dd I get speeds no higher than 11MB/s, while this is actually a 3Gb/s etherchannel. When I copy files using sshfs I get speeds of 60MB/s to the same server. It appears NFS is slow but I can't figure out why. Can anybody help me out with this? |
| 10:06.58 | hatter_au | xeon-enouf, /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
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| 10:07.52 | mactimes | cantido: Hum. It's weird, though, since the same file with same code runs on the ISP server fine, but not on my local server (Lenny). Instead of parsing the instructions, it is simply "including" the source code in the response. |
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| 10:08.37 | asdasdas | with other works cantido u dont have a the sollution? |
| 10:08.37 | cantido | mactimes: what "code".. your ajax (javascript) should be served like any other file |
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| 10:09.03 | cantido | asdasdas: there are hacked up modules for vmware.. you could have googled them |
| 10:09.36 | cantido | asdasdas: you *need* vmware but have barely tried to fix it yourself. ;) |
| 10:09.48 | mactimes | cantido: Just a sample code I copied from the web to try out and see. |
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| 10:10.23 | mactimes | cantido: Anyways, talking to you has clarified things a bit. I'll check and see what I'm doing wrong then. Thanks. |
| 10:10.30 | xeon-enouf | hatter_au: welp, reading man chattr is kind of informative - seems some flags are present that need to be removed, try removing the -s first |
| 10:10.35 | cantido | mactimes: yes; but if your PHP code is just coming out as source that means that your PHP setup is broked.. Javascript should be sent to the client as code,.. you need to explain a bit better |
| 10:11.00 | hatter_au | xeon-enouf, ok |
| 10:11.28 | xeon-enouf | hatter_au: if that fails, try the -a, then -s, then -i or somesuch |
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| 10:16.45 | xeon-enouf | GutterPunk: try bs=4k with dd |
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| 10:19.22 | bio-tty | can i tune display of man pages so that the page is not cleared when i go back to the shell? |
| 10:19.30 | bio-tty | setting PAGER to something smart? |
| 10:19.56 | coofish | hi,I need one english speaker practice spoken english with me via skype ,anyone? |
| 10:20.31 | Techie | coofish- please ask in #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:24.23 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: i think setting TERM to linux should do that |
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| 10:24.29 | Elive_user90_fr | hi, i've got a little problem. I upgrade kde from 3.5 to 4, and since i got no more graphical session available. I can see "Starting K Display Manager: KDE" but i'm still in the tty1. Then i try kdm restart and nothing happened. When i type startx i've got this message : http://paste.debian.net/47657/ |
| 10:24.53 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: i wish i could get htop to do that :-p |
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| 10:25.52 | xeon-enouf | Elive_user90_fr: tried loggin to tty1 as username, then startkde ? |
| 10:26.35 | Roksteady | # |
| 10:26.38 | Roksteady | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
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| 10:27.55 | Elive_user90_fr | xeon-enouf, > yes but i got this : unable to start x |
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| 10:30.00 | Elive_user90_fr | <Roksteady> yes i see, but i'm not able to fix it.µ |
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| 10:30.21 | Elive_user90_fr | RoenieSrvr, > maybe you can help me ;) |
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| 10:30.46 | xeon-enouf | Elive_user90_fr: that;s the prob, not kde |
| 10:30.53 | ktlr | hi there, i have a simple question, i have written a simple tcp server in java, and i would like to see what is the incoming messages at "xxx" port with tcpdump , i tried it : tcpdump dst xxx and port xxx -vv -r ./capture.log , is it possible to see messages in ascii ? |
| 10:31.15 | Elive_user90_fr | xeon-enouf > i do know, but how do i fix it? |
| 10:31.27 | xeon-enouf | so why even mention kde? |
| 10:31.41 | middayc | I found out now that this line is the problem and the kernel module "state" is missing " iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT " .. I have a debian on a VPS .. no idea how to enable that kernel module .. |
| 10:31.50 | Elive_user90_fr | i mention it because the problem came after a kde upgrade |
| 10:32.02 | xeon-enouf | are you telling us upgrading kde automatically tried to install Nvidia? lmfao |
| 10:32.15 | ethanol | (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 10:32.20 | ethanol | what version is that? etch? sarge? |
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| 10:34.03 | xeon-enouf | middayc: one of these perhaps; modprobe -l | grep '/netfilter/nf |
| 10:34.12 | xeon-enouf | er add a ' |
| 10:34.33 | cantido | middayc: what type of vps? |
| 10:35.00 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: that;s a package version |
| 10:35.16 | middayc | I get .. "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24-2-pve/modules.dep: No such file or directory" |
| 10:35.16 | cantido | middayc: if it's xen you might not have that module in your kernel.. if it's openvz or something your might not be allowed to add modules |
| 10:35.16 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: /msg dpkg version |
| 10:35.20 | g00se | How easy is it to force OSX printer drivers for our use - is it even possible? |
| 10:35.36 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: kde and nvidia both belong to the same class of "almost works, but not quite ready for prime-time, great idea in principle but somewhat lacking in implementation" things |
| 10:35.37 | middayc | I think it's based on Xen but I am not 100% .. I have to ask.. it's debian 64bit |
| 10:35.41 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: the 1: is the epoch ; /msg dpkg epoch |
| 10:35.52 | ethanol | thanks |
| 10:36.08 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: heh - indeed |
| 10:36.14 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: so they have a certain affinity, which is why our friend experienced strange umbilical linkage between the two |
| 10:36.22 | cantido | middayc: vps's generally don't run the stock debian kerenl |
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| 10:36.30 | cantido | middayc: s/kerenl/kernel/ |
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| 10:36.51 | middayc | I will try to talk to the server admin ... |
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| 10:37.00 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: yes, it's kind of luck getting sucked into a huge whirlpool after falling off a cliff :-P |
| 10:37.50 | Elive_user90_fr | ethanol> sorry, i had to leave. It's a squeeze/sid |
| 10:38.03 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i wonder if our friend is running elive :-O |
| 10:39.48 | MikeH | Hrm |
| 10:39.53 | jetscreamer | nvidia works just fine |
| 10:39.55 | MikeH | Is there a html2pdf package under debian? |
| 10:40.00 | MikeH | I can't seem to find anything cli |
| 10:40.10 | MikeH | I've found pdf2html, but no html2pdf |
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| 10:40.58 | mactimes | MikeH: I don't have a direct answer for that, but you can find all packages from apt-cache search or on http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:41.19 | g00se | MikeH: You could try doing it in OOo |
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| 10:41.55 | mactimes | MikeH: Remember that you should run apt-get update before running the apt-cache search so that you can have an up-to-date list. |
| 10:41.59 | Elive_user90_fr | xeon-enouf > hah! no! kde did not install nvidia. I upgraded from kde3.5 to kde4. Then i updated et upgraded. Then i restarted... |
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| 10:42.24 | ethanol | anyone have a good read about configuring multiple ip's on the same interface? |
| 10:42.25 | xeon-enouf | Elive_user90_fr: you got a new kernel? |
| 10:42.35 | xeon-enouf | better recompile nvidia |
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| 10:43.09 | petemc | ethanol: ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0 |
| 10:43.10 | Elive_user90_fr | xeon-enouf > yes i got a new kernel |
| 10:43.20 | petemc | ethanol: adjust to suit |
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| 10:43.43 | ethanol | petemc: was hoping something a bit more extensive since I'm rather new to this. in depth guide towards networks/interfaces perhaps? |
| 10:43.44 | xeon-enouf | Elive_user90_fr: bingo |
| 10:44.20 | petemc | ethanol: im sure you could find such a thing via google if you looked |
| 10:44.27 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: you want virtual ifaces? eth0.1, eth0.2 etc? |
| 10:44.33 | ethanol | yeah |
| 10:44.40 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: that's what I am looking for |
| 10:44.48 | petemc | thats not what you just asked for... |
| 10:44.48 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: need 2 external ip's on the same iface |
| 10:44.56 | Elive_user90_fr | xeon-enouf > well i do not know how to recompile nvidia... |
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| 10:45.13 | ethanol | petemc: sorry, english isn't my mother tongue. not always sure how to best phrase my question :( |
| 10:45.17 | tomatobros | hey guys i install debian lenny 64bit on my machine but somethings wrong i dont have synaptic and software sources under menus :S |
| 10:45.24 | xeon-enouf | Elive_user90_fr: how did you ever get it to work originally? :-P |
| 10:45.35 | petemc | ethanol: virtual interfaces work exactly the same as 'normal' interfaces, man 5 interfaces |
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| 10:46.17 | mesa_booger | MikeH: you can maybe pipe a few intermediary things together. like html2text, a2ps, ps2pdf |
| 10:46.29 | petemc | ethanol: the method i first described adds addresses to eth0 , virtual interfaces create new 'sub interfaces' such as eth0:1 , but are configured in the normal way |
| 10:46.30 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: are you trying to bond/bridge 2 IPs for greater bandwidth? |
| 10:46.31 | Elive_user90_fr | i installed kde-debian then i upgrade to kde4, then i did a big upgrade and that's it |
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| 10:46.46 | Elive_user90_fr | i tooks 3 hours |
| 10:46.48 | Elive_user90_fr | !!! |
| 10:46.48 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 10:46.53 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: no, have 2 websites on the same machine, but they both have an ssl certificate (each need their own ip) |
| 10:47.06 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 10:47.13 | mesa_booger | MikeH: for which you want the a2ps, poppler-utils & html2text packages |
| 10:47.37 | petemc | ethanol: they dont need more than one ip if you use sni |
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| 10:48.10 | ethanol | petemc: well they're not supposed to run on the same machine, it's a temp solution |
| 10:48.39 | petemc | ethanol: right, well just add another entry to /etc/network/interfaces for eth0:1 |
| 10:48.50 | ethanol | yeah reading up on that now |
| 10:49.31 | MikeH | mesa_booger: I've managed it with html2ps and ps2pdf |
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| 10:52.26 | mesa_booger | MikeH: oh ok, good stuff |
| 10:53.31 | sswam | MikeH: thanks I wanted to know that! :) I wrote a program a2b which coverts all sorts of files to other types, like a2b foo.html foo.pdf or a2b http://myhomepage foo.ogg (using speech synthesis!) it does a graph search to find the best quality sequence of tools to use. |
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| 10:53.51 | sswam | just added html2ps to the recipes |
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| 10:54.41 | MikeH | :) |
| 10:55.26 | sswam | my previous preferred technique for converting pdf to html involved making a lot of images! |
| 10:57.36 | sswam | hm actually I'm backwards here I think, I wanted to do the opposite (pdf to html) |
| 10:57.46 | MikeH | there is a pdf2html |
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| 10:58.28 | sswam | yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed with it, but perhaps I gave it a shonky document to work from |
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| 10:59.37 | alcohol | what port does scp use? |
| 10:59.40 | petemc | 22 |
| 10:59.45 | alcohol | hrm |
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| 11:00.18 | alcohol | oh, forgot ip restrictions. :> |
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| 11:00.30 | bio-tty | can i tune display of man pages so that the page is not cleared when i go back to the shell? i vaguely remember that there was some PAGER setting .... |
| 11:00.40 | tomatobros | guys what is the software sources gui packages name in repo ?_ |
| 11:01.19 | sswam | PAGER=more will achieve that, if you like more |
| 11:01.24 | liable | tomatobros: what? |
| 11:01.33 | bio-tty | i dont like more |
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| 11:01.37 | bio-tty | more is less |
| 11:01.45 | simonrvn | !less |
| 11:01.46 | dpkg | [less] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. |
| 11:01.53 | simonrvn | meh |
| 11:01.58 | chellomere | less is more! |
| 11:02.02 | tomatobros | i mean software sources in system-administrator |
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| 11:02.15 | sswam | less appears to clear the screen on exit, not sure how to stop it |
| 11:02.27 | bio-tty | i just dont want it to erase the fine manual when i need to go back and type the stuff |
| 11:02.28 | Techie | bio-tty- you could run it in an alternative tty console and flick between them |
| 11:02.48 | liable | tomatobros: you still arent making sense. what exactly do you want the source for? or more importantly, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:02.50 | simonrvn | sswam: depends on your settings LESS=-foo |
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| 11:03.43 | Techie | bio-tty- you could man in an alternative tty console and flick between them |
| 11:03.52 | bio-tty | a plane old bsd uses less as pager, but by default its configured to not erase just the nice manual your about to need to type in .. |
| 11:03.53 | sswam | ala screen |
| 11:04.14 | tomatobros | well i ask (i install debian lenny 64bit on my machine but somethings wrong i dont have synaptic and software sources under menus) now i got synaptic but need to install software sources :S |
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| 11:04.32 | bio-tty | i have the right environment and working dir, type man and get the magical formulae i need to type. why clear the screen? |
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| 11:05.08 | bio-tty | maybe there is an alternative exit (like q) to quit the pager without erasing the fine manual? |
| 11:05.14 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: i told you, you want TERM=linux ; export $TERM ;-) |
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| 11:05.18 | liable | tomatobros: did you add a source line to synaptic or apt's config file? |
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| 11:05.31 | sswam | it would I suppose be a one-line patch |
| 11:05.31 | bio-tty | export TERM ; TERM=linux |
| 11:05.31 | bio-tty | ok |
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| 11:05.46 | bio-tty | TERM is normally already exported isnt it? |
| 11:05.50 | sswam | hm that's good :) |
| 11:06.17 | sswam | PAGER="TERM=linux less" will do it too |
| 11:06.32 | bio-tty | sswam: haha, nice |
| 11:06.37 | tomatobros | yea i block cdrom repo in sources.list than add lenny main repo |
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| 11:06.59 | liable | tomatobros: you need to add a line for deb-src |
| 11:07.00 | sswam | hm, or not |
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| 11:07.03 | liable | !source |
| 11:07.04 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> |
| 11:07.15 | liable | !deb-src |
| 11:07.15 | dpkg | deb-src is, like, 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 11:07.22 | tomatobros | liable: i add that allraeady |
| 11:07.34 | sswam | export PAGER="sh -c 'TERM=linux exec less'" # is getting ugly, but works |
| 11:07.52 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: update-alternative --config pager (as far as setting default $PAGER) |
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| 11:08.33 | xeon-enouf | just put; TERM=linux\n export $TERM in .bashrc |
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| 11:09.40 | bio-tty | why does it clear when xterm and not when linux term? |
| 11:09.51 | xeon-enouf | different VT emulation |
| 11:10.05 | xeon-enouf | man console_codes for some RTFM ;-) |
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| 11:10.18 | bio-tty | linux cannot clear? |
| 11:10.28 | xeon-enouf | read! ;-) |
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| 11:11.04 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: you use less, i take it so you can use '/', as well right ? |
| 11:11.05 | tomatobros | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1582402 here my sources.list |
| 11:12.07 | bio-tty | xeon-enouf: thats for searching. in more as well |
| 11:12.34 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 11:12.41 | liable | tomatobros: looks ok. now what package are you trying to get source for? i'm not very familiar with synaptic these days, so i dunno whether it should show source, but does apt-get source work? |
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| 11:13.10 | tomatobros | yes its work |
| 11:13.13 | xeon-enouf | used to know some wicked man page starter that would jump to and highlight the exact section ;-) (fairly easy) |
| 11:13.27 | xeon-enouf | is too lazy to test now |
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| 11:16.24 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: works for searching in menuconfig and links2 as well :-p |
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| 11:16.45 | bio-tty | xeon-enouf: and ed |
| 11:16.47 | tomatobros | liable: http://img17.imageshack.us/i/debianlennyamd64tutoria.png/ look @this pic i want to install software sources packages :S |
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| 11:17.38 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: the horse? |
| 11:17.46 | xeon-enouf | hides |
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| 11:20.24 | liable | tomatobros: i dont understand |
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| 11:21.41 | tomatobros | liable: ok the name of package is software-properties-gtk |
| 11:21.59 | tomatobros | thx for help |
| 11:22.32 | liable | tomatobros: why cant you just use apt-get? |
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| 11:31.05 | valertinern | Hi, I want to use raid and I created raid using only 1 disk. I now want to add a disk to the array, how? will mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sda2 do what I want in a safe way? |
| 11:31.52 | valdyn | valertinern: where did you see -a in the manpage? |
| 11:32.59 | valertinern | valdyn: I found it using google |
| 11:33.25 | valdyn | valertinern: maybe you should look again then or reread that google article |
| 11:33.28 | valdyn | valertinern: or just rely on the manpage |
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| 11:36.08 | valertinern | valdyn: itæs not that mutch info there http://georgetoft.com/?Linux:RAID:RAID_Add_Disk so I think I read it all |
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| 11:36.48 | valdyn | valertinern: i see, that article is wrong, or the manpage is wrong |
| 11:37.01 | valdyn | valertinern: -a is --auto |
| 11:37.18 | valdyn | valertinern: while there's just "--add" |
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| 11:38.36 | valertinern | valdyn: I thought -a was add. So itæs safe to try mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda2 then? |
| 11:38.43 | valdyn | valertinern: yes |
| 11:38.52 | xeon-enouf | valertinern: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
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| 11:41.10 | valertinern | valdyn: ok, thanks I allways forget where I find those. I was looking in /usr/share/mdamd/ me bad |
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| 12:01.47 | jaime_ | Hello. My Debian just did an "apt-get update" by itself. I thought it was due to the anacron script "apt", in cron.daily. But the script has its default settings, which should do nothing as far as I can tell. What could have caused this? (I don't use the gnome update notifier) |
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| 12:03.11 | cantido | j_14: apt-get update is the default for cron-apt I think.. it can't do any harm |
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| 12:05.05 | j_14 | Hello cantido. I don't have cron-apt installed. |
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| 12:05.25 | cantido | j_14: yes, but that anacron thing probably does the same by default.. |
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| 12:05.40 | cantido | j_14: look at /var/log/syslog maybe.. |
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| 12:06.23 | themill | "cron-apt" is a very different thing to /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 12:07.17 | cantido | mmm it should say in syslog if it's cronjob thats doing it though |
| 12:07.37 | j_14 | cantido: the defaults of /etc/cron.daily/apt should do nothing, at least that what it seems to me |
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| 12:08.13 | cantido | j_14: how do you know apt-get update was ran? |
| 12:08.54 | ranix | was run |
| 12:08.55 | jeeger | Greetings! I am trying to get an ISDN card with a HFC-S chip working under asterisk. It looks like I should install asterisk-bristuff, but that package no longer exists in debian lenny. Or am I mistaken? |
| 12:08.55 | j_14 | cantido: lol i was packet sniffing |
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| 12:09.20 | cantido | ranix: bothered |
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| 12:10.16 | Roby | hello |
| 12:10.24 | j_14 | cantido: syslog says 1 job run, which i assume means the run-parts (i.e all of the scripts in cron.daily) |
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| 12:11.30 | cantido | j_14: maybe someone logged in and ran apt-get update? |
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| 12:12.00 | j_14 | cantido: no, this is my laptop |
| 12:12.13 | eueu | Hello, I am looking for one debian package that is intended for automatically insert headers in source code files but I can't recall its name |
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| 12:14.27 | clauwn | eueu: try using apt-cache search |
| 12:14.38 | bolt-work | make will insert headers when you do #include |
| 12:14.53 | bolt-work | :) |
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| 12:15.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:15.20 | eueu | clauwn, the problem is that I don't know what to search for. headers will not issue what I want :) |
| 12:15.25 | simonrvn | the compiler will, but whatever ;) |
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| 12:15.43 | bolt-work | simonrvn: true |
| 12:15.47 | clauwn | eueu: yes, i can't find anything useful with it either |
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| 12:17.59 | simonrvn | try looking with debtags, for code-generator |
| 12:18.05 | simonrvn | eueu, clauwn ^^^ |
| 12:18.22 | eueu | thanks simonrvn |
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| 12:25.28 | clarjon1 | you guys |
| 12:25.30 | clarjon1 | are |
| 12:25.32 | clarjon1 | awesome |
| 12:25.34 | clarjon1 | you and the devels |
| 12:25.53 | clarjon1 | i just plugged in my pair of problematic USB headphones |
| 12:25.57 | clarjon1 | fully supported! |
| 12:26.04 | clarjon1 | even down to teh volume control buttons! |
| 12:26.33 | clarjon1 | and these headphones never worked properly under windows, even after the driver install/fresh install |
| 12:27.00 | clarjon1 | just plug 'em in, and tell skype to use 'em |
| 12:27.02 | clarjon1 | simple as that |
| 12:27.21 | clarjon1 | no modprobe or anything like that! |
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| 12:30.02 | mhymn | interesting. mind giving the exact name? |
| 12:30.25 | valdyn | all usb headphones should work just fine by default |
| 12:30.39 | valdyn | clarjon1: or is yours one that doesnt follow the usb sound standard? |
| 12:31.40 | clarjon1 | valdyn: It sends the acpi vol up/dwn signals, like fn-pgup/pgdn does on my laptop (the extended keycode i mean) |
| 12:31.52 | clarjon1 | valdyn: And, finally, kmix can control this thing's volume |
| 12:32.44 | chellomere | acpi? vol up/dn? |
| 12:32.44 | clarjon1 | chellomere: It'll send acpi related keycode errrors, for some reason. |
| 12:32.44 | clarjon1 | chellomere: According to dmesg |
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| 12:32.48 | clarjon1 | unless i'm mixing up the letters |
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| 12:32.52 | chellomere | uh ok |
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| 12:33.07 | chellomere | acpi is for power management |
| 12:33.10 | caraconan | Hi. What's the command to list process that are using some resource (in my case /mnt/my_disk)? |
| 12:33.11 | clarjon1 | yeah |
| 12:33.14 | clarjon1 | which one is for keyboard? |
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| 12:33.21 | caraconan | I want to umount it but it's busy |
| 12:33.26 | valdyn | acpi is for alot of things |
| 12:33.31 | valdyn | !acpi |
| 12:33.32 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ |
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| 12:34.19 | clarjon1 | is just happy that he doesn't have to fight with his headphones this time :) |
| 12:34.28 | clarjon1 | now if only i can figure out how to get amarok to pipe thru it lo |
| 12:34.30 | clarjon1 | *lol |
| 12:34.45 | valdyn | clarjon1: kde sound settings, no? |
| 12:34.52 | clarjon1 | valdyn: Hmm, good point |
| 12:35.19 | clarjon1 | nope |
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| 12:35.32 | clarjon1 | i think it's an alsa thing |
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| 12:35.47 | valdyn | clarjon1: amarok 4 uses what kde uses, thats phonon |
| 12:35.59 | valdyn | clarjon1: i wouldnt think amarok for kde 3 uses artsd like all of kde |
| 12:36.07 | valdyn | clarjon1: i *would* think amarok for kde 3 uses artsd like all of kde |
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| 12:37.27 | clarjon1 | valdyn: i'd like to output my system sounds thru these headphones... and besides, arts is wanting me to give alsa info which i don't know :P |
| 12:37.47 | valdyn | clarjon1: umm? |
| 12:37.52 | valdyn | clarjon1: its all in the kde settings |
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| 12:38.03 | valdyn | clarjon1: where you can select the alsa output device too |
| 12:38.25 | clarjon1 | looks for the Logitech entry... let alone the onboard option... |
| 12:38.34 | antgel | hi, do the filenames in /etc/pam.d matter? i'm assuming so, as filenames in that directory don't need a service name. where are these service names defined? i'm having some problems with squid and pam, and i want to know if i should use /etc/pam.d/squid or /etc/pam.d/squid3 |
| 12:38.46 | clarjon1 | valdyn: The output device dropdown is just a list of the available sound systems: arts, oss, etc |
| 12:38.55 | clarjon1 | at least, it is here |
| 12:39.06 | valdyn | clarjon1: that is the menu in amarok? |
| 12:39.08 | clarjon1 | *alsa |
| 12:39.10 | clarjon1 | no |
| 12:39.13 | clarjon1 | kcontrol |
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| 12:39.39 | valdyn | clarjon1: whichever of those you select should give you the more specific options for each |
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| 12:39.45 | xeon-enouf | k control center - 3.5.x |
| 12:40.02 | xeon-enouf | choose Advanced Linux....\ |
| 12:40.22 | clarjon1 | o.O |
| 12:40.27 | xeon-enouf | or just disable the stupid soundserver :-P and kill artsd :-P |
| 12:40.28 | clarjon1 | where is this Advanced Linux you speak of? |
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| 12:40.44 | xeon-enouf | Install it? |
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| 12:41.02 | xeon-enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ; choose ALSA |
| 12:41.11 | valdyn | hes already using alsa |
| 12:41.14 | clarjon1 | ... |
| 12:41.17 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: I'm already using alsa |
| 12:41.31 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: then kcontrol should have it as an option |
| 12:41.34 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: I just want amarok to output to my USB headset |
| 12:41.38 | valdyn | xeon-enouf: it does |
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| 12:41.45 | clarjon1 | yes |
| 12:41.47 | clarjon1 | alsa is an option in kcontrol |
| 12:41.49 | xeon-enouf | select 'default' |
| 12:41.52 | clarjon1 | but not my usb headset |
| 12:41.55 | clarjon1 | skype sees it |
| 12:42.01 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: sound is working |
| 12:42.06 | valdyn | which options are there after you select alsa? |
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| 12:42.11 | xeon-enouf | clarjon1: well - last i saw, it said " Advanced Linux.... " not ALSA |
| 12:42.26 | clarjon1 | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 12:42.32 | clarjon1 | ALSA |
| 12:42.32 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.43 | clarjon1 | i just said that lol |
| 12:42.45 | xeon-enouf | gives up |
| 12:42.51 | Krauser | Hi, I am after allowing non-root users to use the nice -19 command . Can anyone explain how to do that. |
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| 12:43.04 | xeon-enouf | 04:41 < clarjon1> where is this Advanced Linux you speak of? |
| 12:43.07 | clarjon1 | valdyn: It wants me to give the specific device file for the sound output in kcontrol |
| 12:43.15 | valdyn | Krauser: what would be the point of that? |
| 12:43.25 | valdyn | clarjon1: not the device file |
| 12:43.26 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: Sorry, but I thought you were talking about a button or something to get to more advanced settngs. |
| 12:43.37 | Krauser | valdyn, i have some thing which requires non-root users to put it before starting a program |
| 12:43.43 | valdyn | clarjon1: just "the device" maybe, alsa is an api, not device files |
| 12:43.47 | clarjon1 | valdyn: No other options/dropdowns appear |
| 12:43.48 | xeon-enouf | clarjon1: restart kde |
| 12:44.09 | valdyn | clarjon1: after you selected alsa - take a screenshot, post it somehwere |
| 12:44.14 | petern_ | Krauser, limits.conf |
| 12:44.24 | clarjon1 | there is no place in my kcontrol which shows me which devices i can have the output to go to. |
| 12:44.32 | petern_ | commonly placed in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 12:44.32 | Krauser | petern_, may you please explain where is that file located |
| 12:44.33 | clarjon1 | it doesn't change when i change the sound output system! |
| 12:44.36 | petern_ | heh |
| 12:44.44 | clarjon1 | all that changes is the selected output method! |
| 12:44.50 | Krauser | petern_, thank you, god bless you i check it and come back here |
| 12:45.02 | clarjon1 | i can control the headphones volume thru kmix just fine already |
| 12:45.22 | clarjon1 | Skype can use the headphones no problem |
| 12:45.22 | ranix | wut |
| 12:45.31 | clarjon1 | i just want amarok to use them |
| 12:45.47 | ranix | you have to restart amarok after changing the sound output method |
| 12:45.58 | valdyn | seriously |
| 12:46.03 | clarjon1 | yes |
| 12:46.03 | clarjon1 | i know |
| 12:46.03 | clarjon1 | i've done that |
| 12:46.15 | clarjon1 | it wants me to type in the alsa interface specs for the device |
| 12:46.25 | clarjon1 | blah:0:1 or something like that |
| 12:46.29 | valdyn | clarjon1: great |
| 12:46.47 | valdyn | clarjon1: so now you just need to figure out your headphones device "id" |
| 12:46.51 | ranix | why not just autodetect |
| 12:46.58 | xeon-enouf | hw0:0 is OSS names, try 'default' |
| 12:47.05 | ranix | oh do you have one of those gay usb headsets? |
| 12:47.13 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: i do not want default |
| 12:47.15 | clarjon1 | i want Headset |
| 12:47.15 | valdyn | he does not want the default device |
| 12:47.21 | xeon-enouf | bah |
| 12:47.26 | valdyn | clarjon1: probably hw:1,0 or plughw:1,0 |
| 12:47.34 | clarjon1 | ah here we go |
| 12:47.37 | clarjon1 | amarok faq has instructions |
| 12:47.38 | xeon-enouf | default == ALSA ... not device |
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| 12:47.54 | xeon-enouf | plughw:1:0 is OSS names |
| 12:47.55 | Krauser | petern_, can you explain how to edit that file |
| 12:48.19 | Krauser | petern_, i would like all currrent users as well as future users that are created be given the ability to use nice |
| 12:48.48 | clarjon1 | YAY |
| 12:48.50 | clarjon1 | it works! |
| 12:48.59 | petern_ | Krauser, there's a manpage for the file (man limits.conf) that explains it a bit, with examples |
| 12:49.13 | clarjon1 | plughw:Headset in the Stereo Output box |
| 12:49.18 | clarjon1 | oooh |
| 12:49.20 | clarjon1 | awesome sound |
| 12:49.28 | Krauser | petern_, ok will check it out , however it would be better if you could just type what i have to type there im time limited |
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| 12:49.45 | valdyn | !time |
| 12:49.46 | dpkg | from memory, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.09.28 12:49:46, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 12:49.49 | valdyn | !hurry |
| 12:49.49 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 12:50.00 | valdyn | oh, good one |
| 12:50.07 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 12:50.07 | clarjon1 | ok |
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| 12:50.15 | clarjon1 | i'll tell joe's mamma that you spanked me |
| 12:50.22 | clarjon1 | dunno why she'd care... |
| 12:50.25 | valdyn | !factinfo hurry |
| 12:50.25 | dpkg | hurry -- last modified at Mon Mar 19 23:59:55 2007 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 37 times, last by valdyn, 36s ago. |
| 12:50.26 | clarjon1 | ooooh |
| 12:50.38 | clarjon1 | these headphones are GREAT with bass output :D |
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| 12:51.35 | xeon-enouf | clarjon1: lshal | grep device_file ; but IIRC $ aplay -L |
| 12:52.05 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 12:52.19 | xeon-enouf | moi? |
| 12:52.34 | clarjon1 | xeon-enouf: That's how you find out what to enter into Amarok, according to their FAQ |
| 12:52.43 | xeon-enouf | clarjon1: aplay -l |
| 12:52.55 | clarjon1 | shrugs |
| 12:53.10 | xeon-enouf | alsamixer ; hit '/' |
| 12:53.12 | clarjon1 | is jammin |
| 12:53.17 | xeon-enouf | O_o |
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| 12:55.23 | sebastian | hi guys, what debian has instead of /var/log/secure ? |
| 12:55.35 | sebastian | where do I see that log? |
| 12:55.36 | xand | I'm not sure whether this is a local problem, but on several of my machines which I'm upgrading from etch to lenny, aptitude wants to use the ipv6 address for security.debian.org instead of ipv4... why'd it do this? get ent hosts security.debian.org only returns the ipv6 one, but nslookup shows ipv4 addresses |
| 12:56.15 | Hydroxide | xand: put your /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf into an online pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:56.33 | humbolt | Is NFS a no-go on a server open to the internet. I'd only open the service to the internal network via hosts.allow and via settings in /etc/exports. Still, is this enough secure? |
| 12:56.34 | Krauser | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.35 | Hydroxide | xand: those shoudl help us figure out what's wrong |
| 12:57.14 | xeon-enouf | sebastian: maybe /var/log/auth* ? |
| 12:57.47 | Hydroxide | humbolt: those two countermeasures will help, but to guard against any security flaws in tcp-wrappers or the NFS server it's still advisable to block it at your firewall level, or alternatively with iptables on the local macine. your plan is definitely much more secure than without those two restrictions though |
| 12:58.08 | xand | Hydroxide: here, but I think it's fine: http://paste.debian.net/47667/ |
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| 12:58.25 | xand | that NS doesn't do ipv6 |
| 12:58.30 | xand | er, |
| 12:58.33 | xand | maybe it does |
| 12:58.40 | clarjon1 | oh |
| 12:58.41 | clarjon1 | hey guys |
| 12:58.49 | clarjon1 | ntpd doesn't use 64bit |
| 12:58.49 | xand | but anyway, no idea why it's using that |
| 12:58.54 | clarjon1 | it's a 32bit app :/ |
| 12:59.10 | clarjon1 | as such, it fails miserably for me when it tries to set the time :/ |
| 12:59.21 | Hydroxide | clarjon1: it does use 64-bit, but it uses some legacy system calls. it works fine on my 64-bit machine |
| 12:59.30 | clarjon1 | weird |
| 12:59.32 | clarjon1 | it fails for me |
| 12:59.37 | xand | clarjon1: it should work ok |
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| 12:59.56 | clarjon1 | oh well |
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| 13:00.27 | Krauser | */10 * * * * root /usr/bin/php -q /var/www/panel/cron.php can someone tell if this is correct (to be put in /etc/crontab) |
| 13:00.30 | Hydroxide | xand: not sure why it's occurring, but you could try setting 'options inet6 off' in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:00.32 | xand | Hydroxide: this happens on a machine on a completely different network with debian lenny - getent hosts security.debian.org only returns ipv6 addresses |
| 13:01.08 | Hydroxide | xand: hrm, seems to do that for me too. but 'ping' doesn't |
| 13:01.15 | xand | indeed |
| 13:01.25 | xand | if I run the command on solaris it returns ipv4 addresses |
| 13:01.56 | schatan | is it possible to change the mac adress bevor installing debian (netinstall)? |
| 13:01.59 | xeon-enouf | xand: IIRC, ipv6 went from =m to =y |
| 13:02.01 | Hydroxide | afk, job stuff |
| 13:02.03 | schatan | i didnt find ifconfig |
| 13:02.16 | xand | xeon-enouf: what? |
| 13:02.24 | superjet_busy | question about powerdns, where to put unstream dns server in pdns.conf using as master server, insert supermaster item to mysql backend? |
| 13:02.30 | clarjon1 | schatan: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 13:02.41 | xeon-enouf | xand: i mean, one can no longer blacklist/disable it, IINM, like we used to do, in /etc/module* |
| 13:02.49 | xand | oh |
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| 13:02.59 | clarjon1 | has no ipv6 issues o.o |
| 13:03.28 | xeon-enouf | netstat ... tcp6 :-p |
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| 13:03.57 | Elive_user94_en | hi |
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| 13:04.52 | Elive_user94_en | how i can install language spanish in console? |
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| 13:05.04 | valdyn | !locale |
| 13:05.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 13:05.08 | xeon-enouf | schatan: what? why? |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | Elive_user94_en: please ask #elive .. that distro is not supported here |
| 13:05.39 | Elive_user94_en | omfg, based in debian |
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| 13:05.53 | abrotman | but not Debian, go to #elive |
| 13:05.56 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 13:05.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:06.03 | valdyn | !listkeys oxygen |
| 13:06.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'oxygen' by key (1): doxygen. |
| 13:06.16 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:06.28 | Elive_user94_en | ok, but elive channel is empty... |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | not our problem, maybe ask ##linux |
| 13:06.49 | Elive_user94_en | ok |
| 13:06.51 | abrotman | is pretty sure 26 people is not "empty" |
| 13:06.52 | schatan | because i want to install over internet |
| 13:07.10 | Elive_user94_en | sorry, noob user... |
| 13:07.12 | valdyn | schatan: that is not a reason |
| 13:07.13 | xeon-enouf | schatan: debootstrap isn't any good? |
| 13:07.36 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, its not but can be made to work |
| 13:07.53 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: works for me[tm] |
| 13:08.15 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, works for me *sometimes* |
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| 13:08.51 | schatan | i m living at the univer... and you only get inet over the mac but my laptop was damaged and i changed the motherboard |
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| 13:09.03 | j_14 | To answer my own question. I found out why /etc/cron.daily/apt updates even when the script defaults say otherwise. The answer is simple, the script overrides its own defaults with `apt-cofig shell`. |
| 13:09.04 | Titan8990 | i have had the debootstrap script exit cleanly after fetching the package but not unpacking them.... |
| 13:09.25 | c03 | Hi, I can't change my resolution to 1920x1600. When I log in it changes back to my old resolution |
| 13:09.44 | schatan | if there is no possibility i will download the dvds |
| 13:09.49 | xeon-enouf | j_14: if you have issue with any of those, just remove the +x bit |
| 13:10.01 | schatan | thought there will be an answer |
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| 13:10.48 | xeon-enouf | schatan: i still don't understand, but /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg debootstrap ; see pkg macchangeror something |
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| 13:10.59 | xeon-enouf | erm .. and /msg dpkg 70 |
| 13:11.47 | j_14 | xeon-enouf: thanks. i'll keep that in mind. |
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| 13:13.54 | schatan | xeon-enouf, thx |
| 13:14.27 | bolt-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.42 | sphenxes | I have build Debian (Guest) using virutalbox on windows xp (host). Debian uses bridged network connection to the internet build by windows xp. My question: is there any security risk for my windows xp (since both systems are using a bridged network). what i mean by risk: hacks, virus, trojans for windows xp. I don't care much about the guest computer (Debian) |
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| 13:15.17 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 13:15.27 | xeon-enouf | you're kidding, right? |
| 13:16.08 | bolt-work | i'm sure there are easier ways to conquer an xp box than hacking its debian vm, breaking out and taking over the host os |
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| 13:16.27 | xeon-enouf | the reason you put windows into a VM is so when it gets nice and loaded with crap and malware, you just wipe it, and start over |
| 13:17.13 | ranix | hahaha sphenxes |
| 13:17.27 | xeon-enouf | is really lmao IRL .. hahaha |
| 13:17.41 | sphenxes | ranix, what? |
| 13:17.52 | xeon-enouf | falls off chair |
| 13:17.52 | ranix | sphenxes: security is like a bathtub |
| 13:17.59 | bolt-work | ... |
| 13:18.06 | ranix | sphenxes: picture you have a tub, and there is water you pour into it |
| 13:18.06 | bolt-work | i look forward to the explanation of that one |
| 13:18.26 | xeon-enouf | bolt-work: this is great, you can't make this shit up ... heh |
| 13:18.33 | ranix | sphenxes: you cannot increase the amount of water it holds by just raising one side of the bathtub |
| 13:18.50 | ranix | sphenxes: and if there is a hole in it, it will lose all the water unless you patch it |
| 13:18.51 | mavhc | you can if you fill it really fast |
| 13:19.02 | xeon-enouf | bathtubs have sides? O_o' |
| 13:19.29 | ranix | sphenxes: if there is a hole in the bottom of the tub and you fix a hole in the side, it will still leak |
| 13:19.46 | bolt-work | weird analogies inc. |
| 13:19.46 | ranix | sphenxes: what I am trying to say is that here Windows XP is full of holes |
| 13:20.04 | ranix | sphenxes: and Debian has very few holes. Debian would hold more water than Windows no matter how you look at it |
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| 13:20.40 | idimmu | thats the worst analogy ever |
| 13:20.42 | ranix | sphenxes: it is ludicrous to ask if installing Debian in a VM is increasing your vulnerability, because your vulnerability is already about as bad as it can possibly be because your host OS is running Windows |
| 13:20.49 | xeon-enouf | ranix: debian .inc has bigger tubs! ;-) |
| 13:20.59 | ranix | I was trying to avoid car analogies |
| 13:21.04 | ranix | and you do get the point! |
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| 13:21.17 | xeon-enouf | likes weird analogies |
| 13:21.19 | ranix | I hope my rambling was entertaining |
| 13:21.25 | xeon-enouf | quite |
| 13:21.26 | bolt-work | runs off to fill his box with water |
| 13:21.32 | idimmu | sphenxes: the answer is obviously yes, it makes you more vulnerable, but its not really at any level thats worth worrying about |
| 13:21.36 | bolt-work | ..and put wheels on it! |
| 13:21.42 | xeon-enouf | bolt-work: consider mineral oil .. think of your skin! ;-p |
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| 13:22.11 | xeon-enouf | idimmu: ... care to explain how? |
| 13:23.05 | idimmu | the more boxes and services you add to a network, the more things there are available to exploit |
| 13:23.08 | idimmu | its not rocket science |
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| 13:23.31 | abrotman | maybe just aerospace engineering? |
| 13:23.34 | idimmu | especially when you start mixing and matching different versions of services |
| 13:23.38 | idimmu | and OSs |
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| 13:25.24 | cr3rzemjest | HOLY SHIT Linux (Gnome) sux. name me one working, user-friendly desktop manager! there are none! |
| 13:25.36 | idimmu | and theres also a strong chance sphenxes doesnt know very much about linux administration, from his question, so debian had better be pretty locked down out of the box |
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| 13:26.01 | cr3rzemjest | why isn't there terminal attached to nautilus in gnome by default? sux |
| 13:26.07 | yaaar | cr3rzemjest: prolly not gonna get a lot of traction starting off that way... |
| 13:26.24 | rudi_s | cr3rzemjest: Send patches ... |
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| 13:26.30 | mhymn | cr3rzemjest: ask gnome |
| 13:26.46 | cr3rzemjest | then don't say linux for desktop rox, because it doesnt |
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| 13:27.14 | ranix | XFCE4 |
| 13:27.20 | ranix | user-friendly, working desktop manager |
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| 13:27.24 | yaaar | cr3rzemjest: seriously? just came in here to troll about how linux is teh sux0r? |
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| 13:27.52 | xeon-enouf | yeah, sphenxes was a much better troll |
| 13:28.18 | Bagualas | I think my crontab isnt running... in log I found this: Sep 28 10:26:01 observi cron[24474]: Error: bad username; while reading /etc/crontab... what can be ? |
| 13:28.27 | xeon-enouf | ... sprinkling just the right amount of trollbait to draw a response from many :-p |
| 13:28.44 | petemc | Bagualas: could it be.. a bad username in /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:28.51 | valdyn | Bagualas: that could be the bad username that you added to that file |
| 13:29.03 | ranix | shocking |
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| 13:29.14 | petemc | nebulous |
| 13:29.25 | xeon-enouf | fantabulous |
| 13:29.40 | petemc | hardly appropriate, but ok |
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| 13:29.52 | xeon-enouf | enigmatic? |
| 13:29.56 | xeon-enouf | runs |
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| 13:30.03 | petemc | sorry, should i say hardly apropos... ;) |
| 13:30.09 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 13:30.11 | ranix | reminds me of that skit in ninja turtles |
| 13:30.30 | ranix | where Donatello keeps failing to word-associate |
| 13:30.39 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
| 13:31.05 | ranix | "bossanova!" "Chevy Nova?" |
| 13:31.11 | Bagualas | hummm will take a look, thanks petemc vader-- |
| 13:31.14 | Bagualas | ops valdyn |
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| 13:32.53 | sphenxes | i am a debian user (windows is for the kids and i decided to install debian on it). my question is not whether debian increase the risk for windows(i quiet understand that is not the case). I am asking if i read a home page with torjan or virus, is there a possibilty that viruses passes through the bridge to windows xp? whether someone can hack windows through the network bridge (not through debian) |
| 13:33.25 | antgel | hi, do the filenames in /etc/pam.d matter? i'm assuming so, as filenames in that directory don't need a service name. where are these service names defined? i'm having some problems with squid and pam, and i want to know if i should use /etc/pam.d/squid or /etc/pam.d/squid3 |
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| 13:34.20 | petemc | sphenxes: if your question is "does a network bridge offer any sort of protection for a windows box" the answer is probably nbo |
| 13:34.27 | petemc | no |
| 13:34.31 | xlotlu | sphenxes: if it's some drive-by malware running from a web page, the network layer has nothing to do with it |
| 13:34.47 | xlotlu | sphenxes: have your kids use firefox ... |
| 13:35.11 | sphenxes | ok thanks |
| 13:35.25 | CodeNinja | sphenxes: anything is possible, but its pretty rare, as an example, I was at work where all of our machines are windows based except mine, someone brought a thumbdrive with a virus and put it on the network, it throughly trashed the windows systems while leaving linux alone... I know thats not the answer you need, however, most people can't figure their way out of a script to hack people |
| 13:36.03 | xlotlu | all that the debian box can protect from is viruses that exploit windows services bugs, and can compromise a machine if on the same lan |
| 13:36.12 | ranix | we have a wide range of aptitudes in #debian today |
| 13:36.13 | sphenxes | CodeNinja, thanks |
| 13:36.22 | xlotlu | so if that's a NAT box, you're protected from the outside. if it's a bridge, you aren't |
| 13:36.36 | petemc | fsvo protected |
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| 13:36.57 | CodeNinja | sphenxes: oddly enough it even got to a box that we thought was offline |
| 13:36.59 | ranix | !fsvo |
| 13:36.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 13:37.15 | sphenxes | CodeNinja, :-) |
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| 13:38.47 | antgel | i'm going to ask some questions here about squid authentication as #squid is dead. |
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| 13:39.52 | antgel | when i run /usr/lib/squid3/pam_auth manually, it authenticates fine. but when i configure squid to authenticate via pam_auth, it fails, as the user being passed to pam is not $user, but "$user":"Squid. how can i re-configure that correctly? |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | waves at antgel |
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| 13:41.19 | antgel | abrotman: dude! |
| 13:41.31 | antgel | abrotman: all good in your hood? |
| 13:41.38 | abrotman | mostly |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | waves antgel toward an offtopic channel ... |
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| 13:44.11 | cr3rzemjest | yesterday I've installed Java on my desktop (winxp). 2 clicks and i had working java. on linux(debian) there are 10 different javas and it doesn't even install like in windows |
| 13:44.11 | cr3rzemjest | and i don't know what to do, remove all javas and start again, manually create symlinks, use update alternatives or what. i just want java in my browser |
| 13:44.11 | cr3rzemjest | double click and it should work |
| 13:44.12 | cr3rzemjest | if you want me to use terminal, then why the hell aren't there some terminal related options in nautilus by default. such as run terminal from here, open file in terminal, copy path/filename to terminal etc. |
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| 13:45.32 | antgel | snorts |
| 13:46.40 | mischief | poots |
| 13:46.52 | BackLash|TheFly | ok im supposed to be editing system calls (namely usleep) where am i able to reference a ld_preload when this function is called |
| 13:46.52 | petemc | hopes it doesnt return |
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| 13:47.21 | BackLash|TheFly | i wont blame you if you dont know lol im a bit lost myself |
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| 13:47.56 | simonrvn | because it isn't windows ffs |
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| 13:49.53 | ranix | BackLash|TheFly: why are you screwing with ld_preload |
| 13:50.17 | BackLash|TheFly | rania: why does why matter :) its linux i want to |
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| 13:50.48 | ranix | altering ld_preload is a good way to get into a confusing hole nobody can help you with |
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| 13:50.58 | lola1990 | voila le 1er site de tchat rencontre gratuit sexe +18 ... au monde sur ( www.casafilm.tk ) |
| 13:51.01 | BackLash|TheFly | thats fine i can always reinstall :) |
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| 13:51.07 | oxi | hi |
| 13:51.13 | ranix | it's also a good way to override standard C functions people depend on such as, oh, I dunno, memcpy |
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| 13:51.31 | BackLash|TheFly | i understand lots of risk :) |
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| 13:51.34 | ranix | frequently when people are asking about ld_preload they're asking for help rooting a system |
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| 13:51.36 | oxi | how do I search the filesystem recursively for a hidden folder named ".jackrabbit" ? |
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| 13:52.05 | themill | oxi: /msg dpkg using find |
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| 13:52.24 | oxi | themill: thanks, I'll try it with find |
| 13:52.27 | BackLash|TheFly | n/m i figured out what i had to do |
| 13:52.42 | oxi | I thought I'd need some extra fu for .hidden |
| 13:52.42 | ranix | mmhmm |
| 13:53.06 | valdyn | oxi: its just a file whith the name starting with a dot |
| 13:53.20 | themill | oxi: "find / -type d -name .jackrabbit" should be enough. (use locate if you think the dir has been around long enough to have been indexed) |
| 13:53.22 | skath | oxi, find doesn't have any notion of hidden files |
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| 13:53.30 | oxi | themill: thanks |
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| 13:54.01 | oxi | I see, I didn't know about locat |
| 13:54.04 | oxi | *locate |
| 13:54.15 | oxi | skath: ok, fine |
| 13:54.18 | et | alias lolcat locate |
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| 13:54.30 | oxi | hehe |
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| 13:55.01 | themill | oxi: "aptitude install mlocate" it's a cache to speed up some simple find operations |
| 13:55.24 | asaleem | I want to remaster Debian CD with preseed file but when I create the ISO back and try to install from it, the installer says that the CD is not good. I did create md5sums with md5sum `find ! -name "md5sum.txt" ! -path "./isolinux/*" -follow -type f` > md5sum.txt; |
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| 13:56.15 | asaleem | Is there an easy way to do that. Actually, I want to create an auto-install CD |
| 13:58.06 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 13:58.07 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . Also ask me about <kmuto>. |
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| 13:59.24 | justin | asaleem: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
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| 14:02.47 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. Each time my mysql-server is being upgraded (through apt-get/cron script) it breaks a few other applications using the database. Is there any way to force dpkg to do '/etc/init.d/someapplication restart' after successfully upgrading the mysql-server package? |
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| 14:04.01 | wsxws | hi there |
| 14:04.38 | wsxws | i can extrackt a .deb file using ar x file.deb. waht command do i need to create a .deb ? |
| 14:05.37 | ranix | man ar |
| 14:05.55 | justin | !wayttd wsxws |
| 14:05.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wsxws? |
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| 14:06.52 | wsxws | i have a deb here containing cksfv, in control is it set to amd64, i just changed that to i386 and want die ar/tar it again |
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| 14:07.09 | petemc | wsxws: you can use debuild to rebuild debs |
| 14:07.15 | petemc | not sure if it will work in your case |
| 14:07.22 | wsxws | (that cksfv isnt available for lenny on repository and it is a 32bit command anyway) |
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| 14:08.03 | wsxws | normaly i can be copied into /usr/bin also and it mill work, but there wont be any manuals and docs then |
| 14:08.48 | wsxws | so i just need to know the program that makes a deb out of my 2 tar.gz and debian-binary file |
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| 14:09.17 | wsxws | like ar did the extract i need the oposit of that |
| 14:09.17 | Dumb0 | is there a tutorial that can show me how to develop a package management system with bash only ? |
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| 14:09.33 | valdyn | Dumb0: haha |
| 14:09.58 | Dumb0 | valdyn, what's wrong with you ? |
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| 14:10.29 | ranix | yep |
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| 14:10.36 | ranix | wide range of aptitudes in #debian this morning |
| 14:11.13 | wsxws | like i read ar's helpfile it cant create files, can it ? |
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| 14:11.25 | ranix | Dumb0: a tutorial telling you how to develop a package management system is similar to a tutorial telling you how to be a professional culinary artist in 3 easy steps |
| 14:11.29 | justin | wsxws: hahahaha |
| 14:11.34 | justin | wsxws: first line of the ar man page |
| 14:11.38 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.44 | justin | but no, ar can't create files |
| 14:12.04 | ranix | ar -c |
| 14:12.11 | ranix | it most certainly can |
| 14:12.22 | wsxws | -c isnt there but append works, if there is noone it creates it |
| 14:12.23 | wsxws | -r |
| 14:12.26 | wsxws | but thanks anyway |
| 14:12.29 | wsxws | ;) |
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| 14:13.07 | ranix | isn't there? |
| 14:13.27 | wsxws | no -c |
| 14:13.46 | justin | if one does not actually read the man page, are the instructions still there? :-) |
| 14:13.50 | wsxws | as modifier only, not as command |
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| 14:14.28 | themill | wsxws: c not -c. Have a look at man ar a little more carefully. Note also that not all archives created by ar are compatible with dpkg. man 5 deb |
| 14:14.30 | ranix | ar -cr foo.ar bar.file harbl.file baz.file |
| 14:15.05 | Dumb0 | ranix, what I am looking for is an equivalent of design patterns that show us how to make easy and good programs.. what I need to know is for example the structure of package management... |
| 14:15.33 | themill | Dumb0: "package management" meaning what to you in this context? Reinventing all of apt and dpkg in bash? |
| 14:16.00 | valdyn | Dumb0: I'm sure amazon.com has the "The Art of Computer Programming" series by Donald Knuth |
| 14:16.15 | ranix | some of the brightest minds in computer science are still working on package management and distribution, Dumb0 |
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| 14:17.15 | valdyn | Dumb0: or maybe you should tell us the precise wording of your homework |
| 14:17.42 | ranix | if you need a howto, I wonder why you don't simply learn to understand and use one of the many already-written and open-source tools available now, for you surely cannot improve upon their quality |
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| 14:18.13 | Dumb0 | themill, good start :).. What I need exactly is finding a structure for a package to make compile and install a programs from source.. sometimes precompiled package dosen't response to my needs, like doing a secured or optimal configuration.. |
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| 14:18.45 | valdyn | Dumb0: geez |
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| 14:18.48 | asaleem | justin, I followed extactly that page when testing but I was getting the same error |
| 14:19.17 | wsxws | thanks themil, that was the man-entry i needed |
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| 14:19.32 | Dumb0 | valdyn, I will check your book.. even if I am in doubt if you understood me |
| 14:19.36 | themill | Dumb0: in that case, you aren't going to find an off-the-shelf pattern as what you're wanting to do is tinker with a package by hand for a particular reason. "/msg dpkg package recompile" |
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| 14:20.01 | ethanol | how can I figure out what is causing such a high load on my system? top is not showing anything interesting. vmstat isn't very odd either. |
| 14:20.01 | ethanol | but something seems to be pushing the load up |
| 14:20.05 | badiane | Dumb0: read the Debian System from No Starch Press. It has the most extensive discussion of the internals of Debian packages I have ever seen. |
| 14:20.05 | valdyn | Dumb0: im sure its not what you actually want, but its a reasonable answer to the question you actually asked |
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| 14:21.05 | badiane | Dumb0: http://www.amazon.com/Debian-System-Concepts-Techniques/dp/1593270690/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254147643&sr=8-1 |
| 14:21.16 | Dumb0 | badiane, ok thx |
| 14:21.16 | B4ckBOne | i startet a xen instance, but when i attach a console to it, it says: "Server refused to allocate pty stdin: is not a tty" and there is no normal terminal .. i can write but there is no output. |
| 14:21.28 | petemc | ethanol: ps aux|grep D show much? |
| 14:22.06 | ethanol | petemc: http://dpaste.com/99369/ |
| 14:22.06 | xxiao | badiane: i agree it's a great book, just wish it's updated with a 2nd edition or something |
| 14:22.31 | badiane | ethanol: install sysstat; there some tools in there; do a apt-cache show sysstat. But you will have to learn how to use the tools :-) |
| 14:22.37 | Dumb0 | valdyn, I know what I am doing and what I want exactly.. I mastered more than 20 programming patterns.. |
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| 14:22.59 | ethanol | sysstat: Vereisten: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) maar 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 zal geïnstalleerd worden |
| 14:23.01 | ethanol | can't install |
| 14:23.02 | ethanol | :< |
| 14:23.09 | badiane | 'morning crew |
| 14:23.10 | valdyn | Dumb0: whatever a "programming pattern" may be |
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| 14:23.28 | Locutus26 | Hi, just a quick question: Does run-parts run scripts that are not marked executable? |
| 14:23.44 | Dumb0 | valdyn, so it seems logical to me to look for another patterns in Linux world.. especially in package management design |
| 14:24.01 | stew | Locutus26: no |
| 14:24.19 | badiane | asaleem: is this for your network or for you to carry around? |
| 14:24.30 | Locutus26 | Thank you, so if I chmod 644 a script in ip-up.d, it would not run, correct? |
| 14:24.32 | petemc | ethanol: thats a no, then. the purpose of that was to check for processes in D state, which will push your load up |
| 14:24.40 | asaleem | badiane, for me to carry around |
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| 14:24.56 | ethanol | petemc: I see |
| 14:25.12 | stew | Locutus26: yes, or you could rename it it from say, "filename" to "filename.dontrun" (files with a . aren't run) |
| 14:25.19 | badiane | asaleem: the custom cd. By the way, after you create an iso image you should try to boot it from a virtual machine if possible; that way you can test before wasting media. |
| 14:25.20 | asaleem | badiane, I want to put preseed.cfg in the Debian install CD |
| 14:25.29 | Locutus26 | Thank you very much |
| 14:25.30 | stew | Locutus26: you can use run-parts --test to make sure it isn't listed |
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| 14:25.42 | Locutus26 | I see, very useful info |
| 14:25.49 | asaleem | badiane, yes, I do that with vmware |
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| 14:27.03 | badiane | asaleem: yes, but is it for you to carry around or for your own private systems? The reason, is that instead of burning a cd you can setup a tftp boot enviroment and put the preseed.cfg file on a small web server on the same machine. that way you can have different preseeds for different machines (server, laptop{1,.5} |
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| 14:28.04 | asaleem | badiane, it's for me the carry around |
| 14:28.13 | badiane | asaleem: you will just have to link the mac address of the machine to the tftp file you want and the rest will happen like magic. |
| 14:28.55 | badiane | asaleem: ok. Does the cd boot at all or it fails at the install? |
| 14:29.10 | asaleem | badiane, yes, it does |
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| 14:29.43 | badiane | asaleem: did you give the file=<preseed file> option on the append line? |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | it was an 'or' question |
| 14:29.53 | asaleem | badiane, yes |
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| 14:30.17 | badiane | asaleem: did it work in vmware. |
| 14:30.22 | asaleem | badiane, could it be that the md5sums are wrong |
| 14:30.29 | humbolt | Can anybody tell me, if I have a flaw in my Xen environment setup here? |
| 14:30.34 | humbolt | This is a webserver setup. I have an NFS share in Dom0. NFS is served via a virtual internal network via a bridge to a DomU, which hosts a webserver. All client data lives on NFS. The Dom0 is directly connected to the internet. DomUs have a point-to-point connection to Dom0 via ethernet (strange setup, I know but necessary due to strange provider setup). So Internet traffic is routed through Dom0 and NFS traffic terminates at Do |
| 14:30.48 | badiane | asaleem: which md5sums. |
| 14:31.03 | humbolt | Should I maybe host NFS in a DomU also? |
| 14:31.20 | asaleem | badiane, no, I boot from it in vmware, it goes until it checks, maybe the mdia, and fails there |
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| 14:31.26 | humbolt | How much mem would such a DomU require? |
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| 14:32.05 | badiane | asaleem: I would agree with you on that. |
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| 14:32.14 | asaleem | badiane, md5sums of the files in the boot CD |
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| 14:32.51 | asaleem | badiane, md5sums.txt contains the md5sums of all the files |
| 14:32.56 | badiane | asaleem: a sum of the iso should match a sum of the cd, since the iso boots successfully. |
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| 14:33.25 | asaleem | badiane, yes |
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| 14:34.30 | petemc | humbolt: you want to know whether people think the setup you've just described is sane? |
| 14:34.31 | badiane | asaleem: the iso was successful in being booted. Consider it as good. then get its sum and match it against the cd; if there is a difference then somewhere between the good iso and the finished media something went wrong. |
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| 14:35.05 | badiane | humbolt: the most you should have running in your dom0 is firewalling. |
| 14:35.11 | gladideg | by default on debian, does bind9 run chrooted? Like, can it access files outside it self? |
| 14:35.23 | gladideg | or do I have to secure it by jailing it in some sort? |
| 14:36.04 | petemc | gladideg: its not chrooted, its trivial to do so tho |
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| 14:36.19 | stew | gladideg: no, it doesn't runchrooted, yes it can access files anywhere. no you don't have to jail it |
| 14:36.26 | humbolt | petemc: right, whether this makes sense, or where it could be improved. |
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| 14:36.52 | humbolt | badiane: ok, so I move NFS. Any idea on the amount of mem required for an NFS server? |
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| 14:37.03 | gladideg | petemc, stew: Is this something I should do? Or am I only paranoid? |
| 14:37.32 | badiane | humbolt: treat your dom0 as the room where your servers are housed and the domu's as your caged racked servers. |
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| 14:37.48 | gladideg | 5.7.3: "To achieve maximum BIND security, now build a chroot jai" |
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| 14:37.53 | badiane | humbolt: have you monitored your resources in the present setting |
| 14:38.54 | themill | gladideg: I still chroot bind9 but it's purely out of habit.... many people don't feel the need so much these days. Maybe I should take of my bind9-tinfoil hat and get rid of the chroot. I could also install sendmail at the same time. |
| 14:39.11 | badiane | humbolt: is memory cheap in your systems? meaning do you have enough to spare? If so you can start by being generous and as you go, adjust. |
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| 14:40.13 | humbolt | badiane: at the moment I should have enough. But it's only 8GB. |
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| 14:40.46 | Salvad1 | Hello. |
| 14:41.11 | Salvad1 | Does anyone know why gksu doesn 't accep my password? |
| 14:41.19 | Salvad1 | *Accept. |
| 14:41.51 | Salvad1 | I have no set a root account in the Debian installation. |
| 14:42.12 | Salvad1 | Could be that? |
| 14:42.25 | badiane | humbolt: give your nfs server 1GB and monitor it with something like zabbix or nagios or both. After a while you can see how memory is being used. |
| 14:42.49 | badiane | Salvad1: not set a root account????? |
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| 14:42.58 | Salvad1 | Not. |
| 14:42.59 | gladideg | themill: hehe |
| 14:43.07 | lunk | sounds like not-a-postgres-problem-dept |
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| 14:43.29 | themill | Salvad1: you need to tell gksu to run in "sudo" mode not "su" mode in that case. |
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| 14:43.43 | Salvad1 | How can I do that? |
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| 14:43.48 | lolufail | hi |
| 14:44.02 | lolufail | is ext4 still unstable? @kernel 2.6.31? |
| 14:44.07 | The2morrowMan | I've got a bit of a question about firewall activity that I could use an answer for. |
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| 14:44.31 | The2morrowMan | I'm seeing this on my syslog: Sep 28 09:39:53 superbia kernel: [ 410.764573] Connection attempt (PRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=xxx.xxx.24.103 DST=xxx.xxx.31.255 LEN=219 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=138 DPT=138 LEN=199 |
| 14:44.34 | lolufail | keep getting kernel panics, though I can't pinpoint them down to ext4, though they happen during mkfs.ext4 ;) |
| 14:44.39 | j_14 | Do other poeple actually have a use for avahi and the zeroconf stuff? |
| 14:44.43 | chellomere | !iyhtays |
| 14:44.44 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 14:45.10 | petemc | The2morrowMan: thats netbios stuff |
| 14:45.14 | The2morrowMan | 24.103 is my external IP. 31.255 is my ISP's broadcast address for the subnet I'm on. Why am I seeing NetBIOS traffic going out over my external interface to my ext broadcast? |
| 14:45.14 | badiane | humbolt: http://adminadventures.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/using-zabbix-to-monitor-scalr-farms/ |
| 14:45.39 | themill | Salvad1: man gksu tells me there's a gconf key that you can set for that. |
| 14:45.59 | badiane | lulufail: how's the raid adventure coming along? |
| 14:46.03 | Salvad1 | OK. |
| 14:46.11 | Salvad1 | Go to check that, |
| 14:46.13 | Salvad1 | Thanks. |
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| 14:46.41 | petemc | The2morrowMan: you might want to look inside the packets to get an answer as to why your seeing it |
| 14:46.59 | petemc | you're |
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| 14:47.24 | lolufail | can anyone make sense of this? |
| 14:47.24 | lolufail | http://pastebin.com/m56628b69 |
| 14:47.41 | humbolt | does anybody know if I can assign one and the same LVM LV to several Xen VMs? |
| 14:47.59 | humbolt | Or is that possible with any other Virtualization tech? |
| 14:48.00 | stew | lolufail: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:48.09 | badiane | humbolt: yes but you will need something like gfs or ocfs |
| 14:48.10 | The2morrowMan | Thanks. |
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| 14:48.43 | sparr | NetworkManager does not respect read-only (-w) on /etc/resolv.conf. Bug? |
| 14:48.50 | humbolt | badiane: sure, cluster FS is a must there, I know. |
| 14:48.52 | badiane | humbolt: and also if you are sharing ro. |
| 14:49.08 | badiane | humbolt: like regular root nfs |
| 14:49.52 | badiane | humbolt: lvm is just a virtualized partition. Treat it like you would any other partition except that it has some nice features which can help you with back up like snapshotting. |
| 14:49.55 | humbolt | badiane: I would not have a need for NFS then anymore. I am thinking about replacing the NFS part with a shared LV and a cluster FS. |
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| 14:50.40 | badiane | humbolt: that's one way to go. |
| 14:50.44 | humbolt | badiane: do you have an idea, if changes to an LV which is assigned to a Xen VM are reflected in the VM immediately? |
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| 14:51.08 | humbolt | badiane: one way to go. What's the other? |
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| 14:51.23 | badiane | humbolt: just like a partition. |
| 14:52.50 | humbolt | badiane: ?? |
| 14:52.50 | badiane | humbolt: the nfs that you are using is one way and cluster fs is another. That's what I meant. There may be others, but I'm drawing a blank. You may want to consider central storage to help with migration. Run Coraid's stuff (in the kernel) in Dom0 and hand out to the domu's. |
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| 14:54.33 | vezult | what's the trick to _installing_ debian via usb key as opposed to just _booting_ from usb, and expecting a cdrom drive to be installed? |
| 14:54.54 | badiane | humbolt: http://forums.citrix.com/message.jspa?messageID=1390958 |
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| 14:55.41 | badiane | lolufail: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/servers/8222-benchmarking-hardware-raid-vs-linux-kernel-software-raid |
| 14:55.53 | vezult | i've used unetbootin to install the netboot, and cd1 images to my usb drive, but though it boots into the installer, all it wants to do is get stuff from CD-ROM |
| 14:55.58 | humbolt | badiane: what is aoe? |
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| 14:56.43 | vezult | when I attempt to mount my usb drive from the installer, it claims that the device doesn't exist, even though /dev/sda1 _does_ exist |
| 14:56.54 | vezult | humbolt: ATA over Ethernet |
| 14:57.06 | badiane | humbolt: it's a protocol developed by coraid a while back. It's been in the kernel for a while. It allows the passing of ata commands over layer2 |
| 14:57.06 | humbolt | tnx |
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| 14:58.10 | badiane | humbolt: like having a SAN on the cheap. All your domu's will reside there. You can move them from system to system. That's actually one of the ways that the commercial virtual systems do live migrations from machine to machine |
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| 14:58.25 | echosystm | quick question... |
| 14:58.40 | echosystm | my ISP mirrors the main and security debian repos, but not volatile |
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| 14:58.50 | echosystm | what would happen if my ISP was out of sync with volatile? |
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| 14:59.56 | humbolt | badiane: I only have on root server. No access to the premises. |
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| 15:00.02 | badiane | vezult: I've experience the same thing. |
| 15:00.12 | lukas | HOllaa |
| 15:00.14 | lukas | ^^' |
| 15:00.20 | lukas | hi? |
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| 15:00.31 | abrotman | echosystm: it only matters if you use it |
| 15:01.52 | badiane | humbolt: ok. |
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| 15:02.38 | yang_ | I am not getting secondary OS added with grub 2 , when performing "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" - http://pastebin.com/m22313401 |
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| 15:03.08 | abrotman | os-prober installed ? |
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| 15:10.14 | vezult | badiane: did you find any way to get it working? |
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| 15:11.44 | runa | heyas. I created a 'trivial repo' (for using with puppet), created a private key and signed the Release, on the client I added the key but I still get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 15:11.58 | runa | any hints? |
| 15:13.28 | alcohol | key fail? |
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| 15:14.48 | badiane | vezult: I just realized something. I have to test it. My setup is based on tftp and http. give me a few minute to test my hypothesis. |
| 15:15.08 | runa | alcohol: the key is in client's apt-key. |
| 15:16.17 | themill | runa: have you run "apt-get update" since importing the key? |
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| 15:16.33 | runa | themill: yep, and the signed release.gpg was dloaded |
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| 15:17.06 | runa | ah. there's an error fetching Release, letme see "No Hash entry in Release file" |
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| 15:19.15 | remote | hello |
| 15:19.41 | remote | i'm trying to build compat-wireless and am missing the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build folder |
| 15:20.03 | remote | when should this folder be created, what should it contain? |
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| 15:20.55 | Titan8990 | !compat-wireless |
| 15:20.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wireless tree is the latest experimental wireless drivers are in the wireless-2.6 <GIT> tree. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download for more information on how to use it. Note that kernel version >= 2.6.21 is required, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <bpo> to acquire 2.6.24 or 2.6.26 (respectively) for Etch systems. compat-wireless-old (for kernels <= 2.6.26) archive: ... |
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| 15:22.06 | Titan8990 | remote, looks like the build directory is a symlink to your kernel sources |
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| 15:22.27 | Titan8990 | remote, i would expect it to be created either during kernel packaging or make modules_install |
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| 15:23.13 | remote | i'm confused because i'm using a packaged kernel (ubuntu) |
| 15:23.28 | remote | i have the kernel headers but this was never created |
| 15:23.34 | Titan8990 | your in the wrong channel |
| 15:23.35 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 15:23.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:24.20 | WormFood | anyone have a clue, as to why I can't view youtube videos in full screen? I goes to full screen for an instant, but goes back to normal...I can see there is a message, but I'll be damned if I can actually read it |
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| 15:24.58 | remote | !youtube |
| 15:25.05 | remote | WormFood: you're in the wrong channel |
| 15:25.23 | WormFood | fuck you remote! I'm on debian using debian package |
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| 15:25.38 | Titan8990 | remote, ubuntu is off topic here and not supported, please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:25.39 | WormFood | what makes you think this is the wrong channel? |
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| 15:26.08 | themill | WormFood: ignore him. He's an ubuntu user who doesn't understand why we are encouraging him towards #ubuntu. |
| 15:26.10 | Titan8990 | WormFood, he was attempting to take a jab at me for telling him that this is the wrong channel for ubuntu support, disregard |
| 15:26.21 | WormFood | yeah |
| 15:26.29 | stew | WormFood: please keep things civil |
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| 15:26.40 | WormFood | I can see that now that I've read more of the buffer |
| 15:26.41 | xerophyte | i wanna trunkcate log files when i use find . -iname '*.log' -exec echo "" > {} \; .. i get file {} how can i do this |
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| 15:28.59 | themill | xerophyte: truncating files often won't work as you expect anyway, particularly if the file is still open by the daemon. |
| 15:28.59 | Titan8990 | xerophyte, prolly not right but i bet it will look closer to: find . -iname '*.log' -exec bash -c echo "$1" > "$1" -- {} \; |
| 15:29.01 | WormFood | sooooo....does anyone have a clue as to my question? |
| 15:29.21 | abrotman | adobe flash on linux sucks ? |
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| 15:30.05 | xerophyte | Titan8990: thx that works |
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| 15:30.30 | WormFood | abrotman, indeed, flash sucks across the board...it is one of the worst things to ever happen to the internet :( |
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| 15:30.47 | abrotman | not that it's stopping you from using a site that uses flash |
| 15:31.23 | B4ckBOne | Is it possible to encrypt a domU? |
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| 15:32.00 | B4ckBOne | i would prefer a aes 256 key |
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| 15:32.58 | WormFood | I just want to view this crap in full screen....not really for me, because I don't really view youtube....but I want it to work so my friends can enjoy it.....also youtube is blocked in my country right now (but not blocked for me) |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | WormFood: you haven't even said what kind of flash you're using |
| 15:33.31 | WormFood | flash 9 I believe |
| 15:33.46 | WormFood | maybe it is 10...I'll find out |
| 15:34.27 | maligor | yeah, adobe flash doesn't work too well in fullscreen in linux |
| 15:34.55 | ranix | adobe flash doesn't work too well *anywhere* |
| 15:35.23 | WormFood | yes, flash 9 |
| 15:35.37 | maligor | youtube has a Arrow on top of the video on the right, that points to top-right |
| 15:35.47 | WormFood | it flashes a message across the center of the screen when I try it...but even after several tries, I simply can not read it |
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| 15:36.04 | maligor | I've found using that and scaling that window works best |
| 15:36.16 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.25 | WormFood | thanks for the tip maligor, I'll give it a shot |
| 15:36.26 | maligor | atleast it doesn't look like a poster stamp anyway |
| 15:36.39 | maligor | err.. post stamp |
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| 15:38.07 | WormFood | ok...now I can read it when I try to full screen it...it says "press esc to exit full screen"....yeah, that is real helpful |
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| 15:38.30 | petemc | it is if you want to exit fullscreen and you didnt know how to previously |
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| 15:38.35 | WormFood | thanks maligor...not full screen, but acceptable for my use |
| 15:38.56 | WormFood | I wasn't aware of that button's function....I really don't watch youtube |
| 15:39.36 | WormFood | hell...in usa, I had ALL the channels on the satellite teevee, and still didn't watch more than 2-3 hours a week, at most. |
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| 15:42.17 | badiane | vezult: are you there |
| 15:43.16 | vezult | badiane: yes |
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| 15:44.58 | badiane | vezult: ok. to the append line I added console-keymaps-at/keymap=us locale=en_US interface=<your interface> hostname=<your hostname> domain=<your domain> |
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| 15:46.11 | rdz | hi all. does /var/cache contain anything useful for backup, that has the goal to restore a immediately running system from? |
| 15:46.14 | vezult | badiane: and that did...? |
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| 15:48.47 | rdz | to answer my own question: it seems safe to exclude it from backup according to: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-5.5.html |
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| 15:49.24 | pLk | ree |
| 15:49.25 | themill | rdz: /var/cache/debconf is desirable. Other things should reappear after the files apt-get update, first run of cron.daily etc. |
| 15:49.34 | badiane | vezult: I think that the more important addition is the interface=. Here is what I did. I copied the content of the netinst iso on a server and removed the content of the isolinux.cfg directory into the tftpboot directory and renamed it debnetinst, copied its menu.cfg file in the the pxelinux.cfg directory and change the path to point to the present tftpboot directory. The process took a bit of time and could be automated with sed/perl |
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| 15:50.01 | rdz | themill, thakns |
| 15:50.04 | badiane | vezult: I no longer get the cdrom prompt. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/04/17/unattended-debian-installations-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-preseedcfg/ |
| 15:50.15 | BackLash|TheFly | ok trying to use a preload here i issue "LD_PRELOAD=./nosleep.so sleep 10 and it still sleeps for 10 even though my .so is supposed to stop it from calling the sleep function |
| 15:50.31 | BackLash|TheFly | Any ideas? |
| 15:50.56 | BackLash|TheFly | it works on a buddies comp but not mine |
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| 15:51.10 | BackLash|TheFly | same file same compilation method |
| 15:51.39 | badiane | vezult: I think that the interface option forced it to configure the network and thus continue with a netinstall instead of depending on the cdrom. |
| 15:51.58 | BackLash|TheFly | +200 exp to whoever can help me |
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| 15:54.29 | badiane | vezult:if you already have an installed system you can use debconf-get-selections --installer > preseed.cfg. And on the append line you point to the location of the file either on the usb drive, the cdrom, the nfs server or http server. |
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| 15:59.32 | rpgdude | does anyone have any idea when xulrunner-1.9.1 will be moving into unstable from experimental? |
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| 16:00.34 | liable | probably when it stops killing puppies |
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| 16:03.38 | rpgdude | oh look at that, my puppy was trying to use xulrunner-1.9.1 and it just keeled over |
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| 16:04.03 | liable | ah, a smart arse eh? |
| 16:04.50 | liable | dude, if you are using shit in experimental, and have to actually ask why it isn't moving forward, maybe you should go lart the DD on the d-devel mailing list? |
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| 16:05.09 | blouf_ | the mailling list is boring |
| 16:05.15 | blouf_ | he said |
| 16:05.15 | bzed | lart? |
| 16:05.22 | bzed | you should go and ask if you can help. |
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| 16:05.28 | liable | i'm sure he could spice it up a bit |
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| 16:06.27 | Tired | "guys, how can I upgrade to experimental" |
| 16:06.46 | blouf_ | Tired: not a good idea for the moment |
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| 16:07.15 | badiane | vezult: any news? |
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| 16:09.57 | paxcoder | can anyone tell me why exactly is it that every time I try to load an applet (Java) in firefox, the browser freezes? |
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| 16:10.05 | peterius | so I did upgrade-from-grub-legacy and I thought /dev/sda was selected but it wasn't because I'm getting stage 1.5 thing again and I can't boot... how do I fix this? |
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| 16:11.45 | paxcoder | I have OpenJDK, why the heck is it freezing? >:-( |
| 16:12.11 | stew | paxcoder: does it freeze if you run the applet with appletviewer? |
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| 16:14.18 | paxcoder | stew: it's hard to check, I had to use wget to get the page, searching now... |
| 16:14.34 | stew | paxcoder: why is it hard? |
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| 16:15.39 | paxcoder | first, i have to have a URL, because I can't open it in Iceweasel, I have to use wget. And second, there's no "applet" nor "java" (apart from javascript) in the file that has been downloaded. |
| 16:15.47 | paxcoder | So now I need to check iframes and stuff like that. |
| 16:16.45 | Titan8990 | javacript is not interpreted by a JVM so the two are unrelated |
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| 16:17.18 | MarGarina | IceWeasel 3.5 news anyone? :) |
| 16:17.22 | Titan8990 | is confused now |
| 16:17.30 | abrotman | MarGarina: it's in experimental .. |
| 16:17.33 | Titan8990 | paxcoder, you said it was an applet in first statement but not in the last? |
| 16:17.41 | Titan8990 | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 16:17.41 | judd | Titan8990: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.14-1 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 experimental: 3.5.3-1 |
| 16:18.15 | paxcoder | Titan8990: as I said I can find keyword java in combination to "javascript" (not an applet), but not stand alone. So I can't really find the applet. |
| 16:18.16 | MarGarina | yes, thanks, I wonder why not in sid..mmm. |
| 16:18.22 | stew | Titan8990: no, he knows that java and javascript are separate. he tried to fetch the html of the page with the applet on it so he could feed the url to appletviewer, but in searching the page, the only match for "java" was "javascript" which isn't what he is looking for |
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| 16:18.35 | paxcoder | Titan8990: I can't find where the applet is. |
| 16:18.40 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 16:18.43 | Titan8990 | i see now |
| 16:18.44 | stew | paxcoder: what is the url? |
| 16:19.04 | abrotman | MarGarina: because the maintainer feels experimental is more appropriate |
| 16:19.14 | paxcoder | stew: http://videocallroom.oovoo.com/oovoomelink/toolbar/toolbar.aspx?VC=1413 |
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| 16:19.35 | fahadsadah | Hi guys! |
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| 16:20.03 | fahadsadah | I know it's unrealistic to expect to see PHP 5.3 in stable any time soon, but is there a backport? |
| 16:20.10 | MarGarina | abrotman: yes, okay well. |
| 16:20.22 | MarGarina | I guess I'll experiment with it :) |
| 16:20.28 | abrotman | fahadsadah: not officially, and not at backports.org |
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| 16:21.21 | themill | fahadsadah: it's not in good enough shape to hit sid yet so most definitely not |
| 16:21.22 | fahadsadah | I'm stuck with a compile-it-yourself solution, then? |
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| 16:21.53 | abrotman | fahadsadah: if you really need it (though most people don't) |
| 16:22.19 | fahadsadah | I _need_ it |
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| 16:23.05 | paxcoder | stew: any luck? |
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| 16:24.09 | themill | fahadsadah: helping debian's php team turn their current packages into something suitable for inclusion in debian would be worthwhile then. Realistically, until php puts out 5.3.{1,2,3} or so, the quality of php 5.3 is unlikely to be suitable for debian in any case. |
| 16:24.36 | stew | paxcoder: i don't think the problem is java related |
| 16:24.41 | stew | paxcoder: well, i don't know |
| 16:24.48 | flokuehn | l |
| 16:24.50 | paxcoder | so i take it it works for you? |
| 16:24.50 | stew | paxcoder: it crashed my browser as well though |
| 16:24.52 | stew | no |
| 16:25.01 | themill | paxcoder: it crashed my browser with sun java6 too. |
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| 16:25.19 | paxcoder | themill: stew: thanks. |
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| 16:25.47 | stew | yeah, i THOUGHT i was using sun, but i wasn't |
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| 16:26.16 | stew | paxcoder: does it crash your browser if you don't have a java plugin? |
| 16:26.26 | skath | Is there a way to get apt-get to suppress the "Reading package lists... Building Dependency tree... reading state information..." messages, but still show the gets, preparing, unpacking, etc? "apt-get -q" suppresses too much |
| 16:27.09 | paxcoder | stew: I don't know... |
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| 16:28.00 | skath | I want minimal/no output when an apt-get dist-upgrade has 0 packages to upgrade, but full output while upgrades or installations are occurring |
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| 16:29.19 | paxcoder | stew: sun's test java also freezes my browser |
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| 16:30.55 | paxcoder | stew: however, in about:config I saw that it searched for /bin/j2se, which doesn't exist (I'm using OpenJDK), so I put in /usr/bin/java, but it fails also. I wish I knew how to make a clean install/config... |
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| 16:32.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !language per user |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | To allow a user to have their applications in a language other than the default, add a line - LANG = "es_ES" (for spanish) to their .profile or .bash_profile, then install the language package for the applications they use. Log that user out and back in and you should see their X session and X applications (browser, etc) in Spanish. |
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| 16:35.35 | j_14 | skath: you want to get rid of those 3 lines? |
| 16:36.44 | skath | j_14, basically. I want the inconsequential output to be supressed. I suppose dI could just grep it out but I was hoping apt-get would have a flag or preference to be less verbose |
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| 16:38.04 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, but why a factoid... EVERYONE knows that |
| 16:38.05 | Tired | :-P |
| 16:38.15 | paxcoder | stew: you still there? Checke these out: http://pastebin.com/m510037ea http://pastebin.com/m3ef87e9a . First happened when I tried to run appletviewer, and the second when I started to compile/run/whateverjavacommanddoes some old thing of mine |
| 16:38.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: :p |
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| 16:40.06 | Tired | well, seriously... |
| 16:40.09 | j_14 | skath: yeah just grep them |
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| 16:41.14 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 16:42.26 | _Trinity_ | What's the difference between epiphany.dektop and epiphany-gecko.desktop on the application panel? |
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| 16:43.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: if that "seriously" is directed at me - I wrote the factoid because there is no straightforward explanation of that anywhere I could find |
| 16:43.24 | mns | _Trinity_, one probably is based on webkit the other obviously uses gecko |
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| 16:43.35 | Tired | !$LANG |
| 16:43.36 | dpkg | $LANG is an environment variable which determines which localization is in effect for a user. Typical values for LANG are e.g. en_US,es_ES or de_DE. Programs read it and switch their output to the language specified. |
| 16:43.51 | hyper_ch | hi there, I notice that there is a sql-ledger package but how to actually run sql-ledger once it is installed through the package? |
| 16:44.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: edit that to tell people where to put the variable |
| 16:44.17 | _Trinity_ | mns: on lenny? Awesome! Let me hceck it out |
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| 16:44.50 | mns | _Trinity_, no I don't think on lenny, that's on squeeze and above. |
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| 16:45.07 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, but everyone knows that! |
| 16:45.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Tired: :p |
| 16:45.28 | Tired | jpinx-eeepc, and admittedly I just made that factoid up to annoy you :) |
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| 16:45.45 | Tired | !factinfo $LANG |
| 16:45.45 | dpkg | $lang -- created by Tired <n=XXXy@chem014254.chem.northwestern.edu> 2m 26s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by Tired, 2m 10s ago. |
| 16:46.12 | aarkerio_ | Hi! there is a way to check bandwidth speed in command line? |
| 16:46.23 | Titan8990 | hyper_ch, what did the sql-ledger docs say? |
| 16:46.29 | jpinx-eeepc | slaps Tired on the head with a freshly made up mullet |
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| 16:46.49 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: which docs are you refering to? |
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| 16:47.39 | _Trinity_ | mns: yeah. Both applets bring p the same gecko back end 2.22.3 or the like |
| 16:48.03 | Titan8990 | hyper_ch, its not an application that you just run |
| 16:48.07 | Titan8990 | hyper_ch, http://www.sql-ledger.com/cgi-bin/nav.pl?page=source/readme.txt&title=README |
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| 16:48.38 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: that does not help at all |
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| 16:48.52 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: it gives me a 500 error when trying to access the admin.pl through the webinterface |
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| 16:49.00 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: upon manually installing it |
| 16:49.15 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: so I wonder how the sql-ledger package works that's provided by debian |
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| 16:50.18 | clarjon1 | hyper_ch: what's the rest of the 500 error? |
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| 16:50.42 | hyper_ch | clarjon1: Premature end of script headers: admin.pl |
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| 16:50.55 | themill | hyper_ch: it would have been more helpful for you to provide that information earlier... we're not mind readers. |
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| 16:51.12 | Titan8990 | hyper_ch, did you check out /usr/share/doc/sql-ledger/README.debian? |
| 16:51.24 | stew | hyper_ch: check the server's error logs |
| 16:51.42 | clarjon1 | hyper_ch: Is the script set as executable? |
| 16:51.43 | hyper_ch | themill: that's why I asked how to run sql ledger from the installed package and not how to run it generally |
| 16:51.43 | Titan8990 | looks like you have to create a www-data user in your database |
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| 16:52.17 | hyper_ch | Titan8990: I'll have a read at that readme |
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| 16:53.37 | hyper_ch | I'll start over with a clean VM :) |
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| 16:54.56 | Titan8990 | hmm webapp-config is gentoo specific, interesting |
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| 16:58.16 | runa_ | is there a kde repository for debian testing. i find that many kde apps are missing form the standard rep |
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| 16:59.06 | _Trinity_ | mns: forward compatiblity? |
| 16:59.11 | themill | runa_: such as? |
| 16:59.23 | jochar | anyone here know how to use regex in bash script |
| 16:59.49 | mns | _Trinity_, could be. |
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| 17:00.09 | cusco | jochar: with sed? |
| 17:00.18 | themill | jochar: look at the [[ operator in man bash or in the bash scripting guide. /msg dpkg bash |
| 17:00.25 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:00.37 | runa_ | for example koffice is broken in my repositories |
| 17:00.53 | _Trinity_ | I'd trySqueeze again for the latest and greatest but last time I tried it everything felt so alphaish |
| 17:01.00 | runa_ | i have seen even others but i dont remember at the moment |
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| 17:01.24 | _Trinity_ | and my video card and consequently driver wasn't picked up on |
| 17:01.52 | mns | _Trinity_, what video card ? |
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| 17:02.18 | _Trinity_ | so I'd have to go to unstable without security patches. I remember trying tht years ago and you never knew if an app was going to break. I've hear good stuff since then though |
| 17:02.31 | _Trinity_ | mns: ATI Rage 128 |
| 17:02.32 | mesa_booger | runa: the main problem is that kde in stable is 3.5.9 and it is 4.3 in testing. so if you mix and match, you end up with a mess, unless you start pinning things etc |
| 17:02.41 | _Trinity_ | tried everything |
| 17:02.50 | themill | runa_: koffice is missing because it's in the middle of a fairly big transition. Koffice is also not "part of KDE" it's an application that happens to use kde libraries. |
| 17:03.00 | BackLash|TheFly | beats head on wall |
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| 17:03.04 | _Trinity_ | mns: even Lenny gave me about a week;s sorth of trouble |
| 17:03.06 | BackLash|TheFly | Why wont this thing preload |
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| 17:03.22 | BackLash|TheFly | it doesnt give an error.... but it doesnt do what its spossed to |
| 17:03.57 | mns | _Trinity_, when did you last try squeeze ? Its now got xorg 7.4 in it, so you should be able to use the open source ati drivers for your card. unless you want the 3d acceleration, etc. |
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| 17:04.12 | runa_ | arent the kde apps in the same repository as kde? |
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| 17:04.48 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: strace sleep 5 |
| 17:05.15 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, wont that just give me the info for sleep |
| 17:05.23 | _Trinity_ | mns: X frooze hard once, had to reboot. Figured out after that I had to explicitely tell X to disable glx |
| 17:05.29 | _Trinity_ | mns: I tried it last week |
| 17:05.31 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: you should do this. |
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| 17:05.48 | mns | _Trinity_, ahh ok. |
| 17:06.01 | lindenle1 | I cannot seem to modify a cups printer with root password, any ideas? |
| 17:06.09 | _Trinity_ | mns: and Ubuntu 904 has the same issue and they haven't patched it so there's no patch comming way of them |
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| 17:06.46 | _Trinity_ | because they've already released it as production quality |
| 17:07.07 | cahoot | lindenle: try to get acceoted into lp group |
| 17:07.45 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, ok i ran it |
| 17:07.59 | mns | _Trinity_, I don't use ubuntu so don't know much aboutit |
| 17:08.02 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: ok, now read it |
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| 17:08.14 | _Trinity_ | on teh good side, after the hard reboot that Lenny's X setup gave, it showed me that recouping after a unclean shutdown is really faste |
| 17:08.30 | _Trinity_ | quite |
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| 17:09.21 | lindenle1 | cahoot: accepted into lp group? I am in lpadmin group |
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| 17:09.55 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, i dont understand what im supposed to be looking for looks normal |
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| 17:10.41 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: when you do strace sleep 5, where does it stop? |
| 17:11.02 | BackLash|TheFly | exit_group(0) = ? |
| 17:11.18 | _Trinity_ | "all" they do is take Deban testing and add a few patches and release it as a desktop product, althogh they've recently gotten into servers --and just why you'd run new and buggy software -despite patches--- as a server I'll never understand |
| 17:11.58 | mns | I stick to pure debian. squeeze is pretty stable for day to day work |
| 17:12.05 | _Trinity_ | they dropped ppc support too which turned me off of them, not that thei support was terrific |
| 17:12.05 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: no, when it is sleeping |
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| 17:13.02 | Smerdyakov | I just dist-upgrade'd, and I'm experiencing system hangs within XWindows. Does anyone happen to know of a common problem like this? |
| 17:13.16 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, i dont understand what you mean... |
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| 17:13.27 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: strace sleep 1d |
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| 17:13.54 | humbolt | having 2 different apache hosting platforms in 2 VMs and one rails env in another VM and needing a DB for all of them, does it make more sense to have one VM with one MySQL instance, or to have one MySQL installed in each of the three hosting plaforms? |
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| 17:14.42 | _Trinity_ | yeah, stick to Debian. I've jumped around a lot and always come back to Debian. It's where I feel most productive. Not too nueroticaly newbie --as in holding your hand for everything-- a distro but not too over your head techy either |
| 17:14.42 | engla | Hi. How do I configure so that the F1, F2 keys etc are F keys by default (and brighness/volume only with 'fn')? |
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| 17:16.10 | chellomere | engla, that would be a setting specific to that laptop. did you look in the bios settings? are there perhaps something that works like an 'fn lock'? |
| 17:16.20 | dtcrshr | hi everyone. we had a power outtage this morning, and were without internet access. The access normalized afther that, but i can only use web on my windows machine. Debian still gots no access, besides im using sinergy with both computers. If i try to add a route with our gateway, i got SIOCADDRT: network out of range |
| 17:16.55 | engla | chellomere: it's an apple ibook, there is no BIOS settings but an OF prompt. Anyway, this changed due to some recent update (this month). It has always been that way before. |
| 17:16.56 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, am i looking for a path? or what? |
| 17:16.57 | dtcrshr | the network is up, the windows machine gots it address via dhcp, so the debian machine, but the debian one its not accessing web, cant connect to irc and whatsoever |
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| 17:17.12 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: i'm not asking you to 'look' for anything. READ THE LAST LINE |
| 17:17.14 | engla | chellomere: without kernel update involved |
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| 17:17.25 | ranix | dtcrshr: can you ping the intertubes with the debian machine? |
| 17:17.49 | ranix | dtcrshr: i.e. a particular address, such as 74.125.45.100 |
| 17:17.56 | chellomere | engla, sorry, I'm not familiar with apple laptops running linux, might this be a powerpc one? |
| 17:17.57 | dtcrshr | iv added some public dns to the resolv.conf file, added the static info to the /etc/network/interfaces, but no juice |
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| 17:18.05 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, nanosleep({86400, 0}, |
| 17:18.06 | engla | chellomere: yes |
| 17:18.18 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: and what function are you trying to LD_PRELOAD? |
| 17:18.20 | dtcrshr | ranix: i can ping the hosts that are newar me, or in the hosts file |
| 17:18.32 | dtcrshr | but nothing outside, got "network out of range" |
| 17:18.36 | chellomere | engla, you might try #debianppc then (dunno if it's here or on oftc) |
| 17:18.40 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, nanosleep |
| 17:18.52 | valdyn | dtcrshr: route add default gw <your gateway ip> |
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| 17:19.01 | _Trinity_ | debianppc is on freenode |
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| 17:19.13 | dtcrshr | bibadmin@koopa:/etc/network$ sudo route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw 200.145.119.226 eth1 SIOCADDRT: A rede está fora de alcance |
| 17:19.15 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: that's not what you said before |
| 17:19.18 | _Trinity_ | ere |
| 17:19.20 | _Trinity_ | here |
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| 17:19.36 | valdyn | dtcrshr: skip the redundant stuff |
| 17:19.43 | engla | chellomere: thanks |
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| 17:19.55 | valdyn | dtcrshr: 200.145.119.226 is already not reachable appearantly |
| 17:19.56 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, yeah it is im trying to load the so of http://svn.clifford.at/tools/trunk/libnosleep.c |
| 17:19.57 | dtcrshr | valdyn: ill try your command, just a sec |
| 17:20.03 | engla | chellomere: but this thing must be related to console-setup or so, since it applies in X as in teh console(?) |
| 17:20.34 | BackLash|TheFly | which when compiled and run with LD_PRELOAD=./libnosleep.so sleep 10 should result in 0 seconds |
| 17:20.40 | dtcrshr | bibadmin@koopa:/etc/network$ sudo route add default gw 200.145.119.226 SIOCADDRT: A rede está fora de alcance |
| 17:20.45 | BackLash|TheFly | but it sleeps for 10 |
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| 17:21.06 | valdyn | dtcrshr: prefix your commands with "LC_ALL=C " |
| 17:21.08 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: try LD_DEBUG=files |
| 17:21.10 | chellomere | engla, might be, I never heard of a laptop where fn could be affected by software tho. |
| 17:21.18 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, will do |
| 17:21.28 | engla | chellomere: you can flip this switch in OS X. |
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| 17:21.46 | engla | chellomere: which gives me a lightning bolt: might be I can configure for linux even there |
| 17:21.53 | engla | chellomere: if it's in "BIOS" as you say |
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| 17:22.08 | valdyn | dtcrshr: "ps aux | grep dhc" and tell us what that gives |
| 17:22.11 | ranix | weird |
| 17:22.19 | ranix | why are you disabling nanosleep |
| 17:22.24 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, LD_DEBUG=./libnosleep.so doesnt give me anything |
| 17:22.31 | dtcrshr | bibadmin@koopa:/etc/network$ ps aux | grep dhc root 4489 0.0 0.0 6172 784 ? Ss 09:34 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcdbd --system root 8110 0.0 0.0 6292 672 ? Ss 14:08 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases eth1 bibadmin 8285 0.0 0.0 7232 836 pts/0 S+ 14:22 0:00 grep dhc |
| 17:22.38 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: LD_DEBUG=./libnosleep.so != LD_DEBUG=files |
| 17:22.39 | xeon-enouf | engla: pommed? |
| 17:22.42 | chellomere | engla, I'm just making informed guesses |
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| 17:22.45 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: google LD_DEBUG |
| 17:23.16 | valdyn | dtcrshr: now you got 2 competing dhcp clients there |
| 17:23.20 | engla | xeon-enouf: what is pommed? |
| 17:23.47 | xeon-enouf | engla: apt-cache search/show pom{med} |
| 17:23.47 | dtcrshr | hm. the default one is 119.3, how do i set this as default? |
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| 17:24.12 | valdyn | dtcrshr: /usr/sbin/dhcdbd is from your network-manager |
| 17:24.25 | murdoc-is-god | Is there an easy way, when creating a logical volume, to make it expand to fill the entire capacity of the volume group? |
| 17:24.30 | engla | xeon-enouf: ok, I didn't kjnow about it. I just wanted my old behavior back |
| 17:24.46 | dtcrshr | you say I got two installed dhcp client apps? |
| 17:25.02 | valdyn | dtcrshr: no, im saying that you have 2 dhcp clients running |
| 17:25.16 | dtcrshr | it counts, iv updated from etch to lenny, but it was 2 weeks ago, everything went fine, till this power outtage |
| 17:25.25 | valdyn | dtcrshr: having 2 installed is not a problem. |
| 17:26.01 | valdyn | dtcrshr: are you certain that eth1 is your internet device? |
| 17:26.03 | dtcrshr | i see. is something i need to do about this 2 clients? im kinda lost... reviewd the hosts, resolv.conf and interfaces files, all ok aparently |
| 17:26.08 | dtcrshr | i got only one |
| 17:26.17 | valdyn | dtcrshr: you have only eth1 ? |
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| 17:26.26 | dtcrshr | with this very computer im in, im using the mouse and keyboard on the debian machine, with this |
| 17:26.40 | valdyn | dtcrshr: i mean internet network interface, not internet computer |
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| 17:26.49 | dtcrshr | valdyn, on ifconfig i got eth1 and lo |
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| 17:27.03 | valdyn | dtcrshr: and on "ifconfig -a" |
| 17:27.24 | dtcrshr | then i got eth0, eth1, lo and sit0 |
| 17:27.34 | murdoc-is-god | xeon-enouf: I think you know the answer to my question, you answered it like 12 hours ago |
| 17:28.00 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: ? |
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| 17:28.16 | murdoc-is-god | Is there an easy way, when creating a logical volume, to make it expand to fill the entire capacity of the volume group? |
| 17:28.21 | valdyn | dtcrshr: ok, run "dhclient eth0" as root, see if you get anything. You can terminate that after about one minute if it does not "finish" |
| 17:29.10 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, LD_DEBUG=all ls 2>&1 > ./libnosleep.so ? |
| 17:29.23 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: not even close |
| 17:29.26 | BackLash|TheFly | lol. |
| 17:29.31 | dtcrshr | ok |
| 17:29.49 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: i don't know offhand, but i had mentioned checking what extents were used when originally setting it up, in case it's there's some problem - it seems it should easily be doable |
| 17:29.52 | dtcrshr | i got the line "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval xx" repeating |
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| 17:30.01 | dtcrshr | i think its a no go |
| 17:30.08 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, im trying im trying im just new to this |
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| 17:30.35 | dtcrshr | valdyn, finished. "no DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 17:30.39 | valdyn | dtcrshr: ok |
| 17:30.40 | patrikf | murdoc-is-god: lvcreate -l 100%FRE |
| 17:30.43 | valdyn | dtcrshr: fine |
| 17:30.45 | dtcrshr | No working leases in persistend database - sleeping |
| 17:30.51 | patrikf | murdoc-is-god: er, lvcreate -l 100%FREE |
| 17:30.57 | justin | dtcrshr: you have dual ethernet interfaces? |
| 17:31.03 | valdyn | dtcrshr: kill that dhclient |
| 17:31.09 | dtcrshr | iv done some ifdown, ifups this morning with eth1 |
| 17:31.11 | valdyn | dtcrshr: run the same command for eth0 |
| 17:31.15 | valdyn | dtcrshr: run the same command for eth1 |
| 17:31.16 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: i think i gave this http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/index.html |
| 17:31.20 | dtcrshr | eth1 |
| 17:31.33 | dondelelcaro | daemon: ? |
| 17:31.33 | dtcrshr | no, i got only one fisical eth plug |
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| 17:32.28 | xeon-enouf | murdoc-is-god: here's two more; http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ |
| 17:32.32 | xeon-enouf | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/troubleshooting.html |
| 17:32.32 | dtcrshr | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d2bec38c |
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| 17:33.18 | valdyn | dtcrshr: your dhcp server is broken, not debian |
| 17:33.56 | justin | dtcrshr: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 17:34.27 | dtcrshr | hm. bad news. is there a way to workarround, just to get debian on the web? in on a vista machine and debian side by side, vista gots internet... i wish i could workarround to use debian too, besides the dhcp server |
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| 17:35.08 | valdyn | dtcrshr: show the output of "route" |
| 17:35.09 | neoice | dtcrshr: you have working internet but just dont want to use DHCP or do you have a hardware issue preventing your wireless/wired card from connecting at all? |
| 17:35.11 | dtcrshr | justin: http://pastebin.com/d27dfa200 |
| 17:35.51 | justin | ah, that explains it |
| 17:35.54 | neoice | yikes, never worked with firewire networking. |
| 17:35.56 | justin | !+z25 |
| 17:35.57 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 17:36.06 | justin | !+forcedeth mac |
| 17:36.06 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 17:36.24 | valdyn | what does the mac have to do with this? |
| 17:36.31 | justin | # |
| 17:36.32 | justin | udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 17:36.38 | valdyn | no it didnt |
| 17:36.43 | Tired | any reason why the print dialog in gnumeric wouldn't present me with an option to print something in landscape? |
| 17:36.55 | justin | yes it did? |
| 17:36.55 | dtcrshr | the big picture is this. im on an university, but the TI managers are way to conservative, windows users and whatsoever. this weekend the nobreaks they got went down, turned off everything... i went there to help and they told me to leave them, that all was fine. I work on another sector, and all my servers (2 :)) are debian ones |
| 17:36.55 | valdyn | no it didnt |
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| 17:37.02 | valdyn | he can hardly have eth0 when eth0 was renamed to eth1 |
| 17:37.11 | dtcrshr | since they vista machines are working, they wont help me to get my debian back, even if the mess is with theyr dhcp server |
| 17:37.47 | valdyn | dtcrshr: show the output of "route" |
| 17:37.48 | justin | fix the udev rules and it should go back to eth0 and everything should work fine again |
| 17:37.50 | dtcrshr | valdyn, justin: how do i rename this if back then? |
| 17:38.00 | justin | dtcrshr: read the info dpkg returned |
| 17:38.02 | valdyn | interface renaming has nothing to do with this |
| 17:38.03 | dtcrshr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.21 | dtcrshr | justin, sorry, i was wrinting up |
| 17:38.24 | dtcrshr | hm |
| 17:38.25 | valdyn | dtcrshr: prefix your commands with LC_ALL=C and paste on a paste site, not here |
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| 17:38.54 | xeon-enouf | LANG=C should suffice ? ;-) |
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| 17:39.05 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, so im looking at a explaination of LD_DEBUG but im still not sure what you are having me look for am i supposed to LD_DEBUG=files ./libnosleep.so because that gives me bash: ./libnosleep: No such file or directory |
| 17:39.05 | valdyn | sure |
| 17:39.06 | justin | dtcrshr: additionally, if the forcedeth cards have mac address issues, that could be why you are having DHCP problems |
| 17:39.13 | dtcrshr | sorry |
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| 17:39.25 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: no, that is not what you are supposed to do |
| 17:39.30 | cantoma | guys, my iceweasel is crashing (Segmentation fault) due to my 64bit flashplugin. If i run it as root it doesn't crash .. could be related to file permissions? |
| 17:39.35 | The2morrowMan | Hey all. Odd firewall activity. UDP 138 datagram for MAILSLOT\BROWSE request is going out over ext interface, src is ext ip, dest is my ext subnet broadcast address. Anyone seen that before? |
| 17:39.37 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: you are making a mess of things |
| 17:39.42 | valdyn | justin: can you please stop talking about interface renaming when his pastes prove that it never happened? |
| 17:39.44 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: LD_DEBUG=files blah |
| 17:39.44 | dtcrshr | justin, ill take a look on the z25 file |
| 17:39.48 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: where blah is what you were doing before |
| 17:39.59 | BackLash|TheFly | ugh |
| 17:39.59 | justin | valdyn: i will not. |
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| 17:40.35 | dtcrshr | justin http://pastebin.com/d51637802 |
| 17:40.38 | xeon-enouf | always thought forcedeth mac concerned macintoshes :-P |
| 17:40.59 | justin | yeah, that's all kinds of messed up |
| 17:41.04 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, im assuming this is what i was looking for ERROR: ld.so: object './libnosleep.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 17:41.07 | peppe | ops: ^quEEn^ is a spambot |
| 17:41.11 | maligor | yes, force de(a)th mac |
| 17:41.15 | justin | BackLash|TheFly: yep |
| 17:41.18 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i can't see how, does it crash immediately? |
| 17:41.31 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: do you have swap enabled? |
| 17:41.33 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 17:41.35 | mesa_booger | cantoma: yeah. is your punter user a member of the audio group ? and are you using a wrapper for oss or just plain oss ? |
| 17:41.43 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, you mean memory? |
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| 17:42.01 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: hrm.. oh wait - your root user's profile is in /root/.firefox or .mozilla |
| 17:42.14 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: that's why - generate a new system user |
| 17:42.16 | cantoma | mesa_booger, the website that crashes is full of crazy stuff .. radio .. video .. animations |
| 17:42.20 | mesa_booger | cantoma: or it could be on the video side of things. your user should be in the video group too |
| 17:42.22 | The2morrowMan | ops: second peppe's spambot alert |
| 17:42.30 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, .mozilla |
| 17:42.49 | dtcrshr | justin, the file 70-persistent-net.rules gots a list, and eth1 mac address its the real one of my eth1 card |
| 17:42.51 | cantoma | maybe /etc/groups then |
| 17:42.53 | dtcrshr | what should i do? |
| 17:43.03 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: or just mv yuor regular /home/username/.mozilla out of the way |
| 17:43.27 | xeon-enouf | restart firefox/IW, check with ps aux |
| 17:43.28 | justin | !+forcedeth mac |
| 17:43.28 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch), remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". See also <z25>. |
| 17:43.30 | justin | dtcrshr: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 17:43.36 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i already delete it many times |
| 17:43.43 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 17:43.44 | justin | dtcrshr: though your card is 00:40:a7 not 00:00:6c |
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| 17:44.01 | peppe | The2morrowMan: there is a bot command for signaling something to ops, but I don't remember what it is :) |
| 17:44.09 | peppe | !ops ^quEEn^ is a spambot |
| 17:44.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: peppe complains about: ^quEEn^ is a spambot |
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| 17:44.15 | peppe | yeah, got it |
| 17:44.56 | The2morrowMan | peppe: Nice. |
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| 17:46.37 | humbolt | is there a way to set the speed of a Xen NIC? Is it "as fast as possible" by default, or does it default to 100MBit? |
| 17:46.39 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, ps aux gives me this when its on - http://sites.google.com/site/televissaoportuguesa/tvi-aldina20 |
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| 17:46.48 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, ops sorry |
| 17:46.59 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, jduro 3359 2.1 2.3 440408 47792 pts/8 Sl+ 18:45 0:00 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel |
| 17:47.37 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, but i cannot take a log it gives segmentation fault and doesn't anything else |
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| 17:47.45 | dtcrshr | justin, what about the firewire ifs? |
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| 17:48.02 | justin | dtcrshr: just remove those, you don't need to be messing with that stuff |
| 17:48.06 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i can't debug it for you |
| 17:48.08 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: mv your /home/user/,mozilla out of the way, cp /root/.mozilla /home/username/.mozilla ? see if that crashes when regular user |
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| 17:48.39 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: what i'm saying is, make sure firefox-bin is dead when you close/restart it |
| 17:48.42 | dtcrshr | justin: ok. now ifdown and ifup? |
| 17:48.50 | dtcrshr | or dhclient ethx |
| 17:48.55 | Selveste1 | cantoma: Is XEN giving you a segmentation fault under boot ? |
| 17:48.58 | justin | dtcrshr: reboot would be your best bed, make sure it comes up properly as eth0 |
| 17:49.22 | Dassu | :/ Hmm, should I upgrade from debian lenny to squeeze if I my suspend-to-ram ain't always working ? |
| 17:49.30 | xeon-enouf | udevadm --control --reload-rules |
| 17:49.32 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 17:49.32 | Dassu | s2ram seems to be newer. :/ |
| 17:49.43 | Dassu | also. kernel upgrade might aid it |
| 17:49.44 | dtcrshr | hm. well, its a local file server, and some users are on it. best to tell everyone to stop doing their jobs and reboot, or some more polite way of restarting the services? |
| 17:49.58 | Dassu | Basically the problem is that state seems to be in use. :/ |
| 17:50.06 | Dassu | after few suspend times |
| 17:50.07 | justin | dtcrshr: oh, well... |
| 17:50.18 | xeon-enouf | message them with wall? write? |
| 17:50.25 | Dassu | I pretty assume it is kernel not freeing it |
| 17:50.25 | Dassu | +much |
| 17:50.36 | justin | dtcrshr: probably best to leave it alone then |
| 17:50.52 | xeon-enouf | "our DHCP sucks, we need to reboot, you have30 seconds to save and close your apps!" ... countdown :-P |
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| 17:51.12 | dtcrshr | xeon-enouf: yeah, credibility flushover |
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| 17:51.32 | dtcrshr | im the one cursing the windows server, and need to reboot my debian one. not a good point of argue |
| 17:51.35 | xeon-enouf | dtcrshr: does udevcontrol exist, or udevadm? |
| 17:51.39 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, it still crashes .. i moved the /root/.mozilla to /home/user/.mozilla |
| 17:51.54 | valdyn | cantoma: and fixed permissions? |
| 17:51.56 | justin | dtcrshr: well if it is working now under eth1 you don't really _need_ to reboot |
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| 17:52.06 | justin | dtcrshr: but who knows what it will do when you finally do reboot |
| 17:52.12 | xeon-enouf | qahh "udevadm control --reload-rules" |
| 17:52.17 | cantoma | valdyn, chmod -R 777 .mozilla |
| 17:52.35 | dtcrshr | justin: yeah, ill reboot it on lunchtime |
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| 17:52.48 | dtcrshr | xeon-enouf: is that for me? |
| 17:52.48 | valdyn | im courious to see which name his firewire interface will get |
| 17:52.49 | cantoma | Selveste1, dmesg | grep XEN doesn't show anything |
| 17:52.53 | valdyn | eth0_rename ? |
| 17:52.59 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: hrm, when you say it doesn't as root, are you using gksudo/gksu, or kdesu/kdesudo to start the DE? |
| 17:53.15 | xeon-enouf | dtcrshr: udevadm, yes |
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| 17:53.30 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, just a normal shell |
| 17:53.41 | Selveste1 | cantoma: No, but is it under boot af you domU you get segmenttion fault ? |
| 17:53.45 | dtcrshr | xeon-enouf: will that kill my samba connections? |
| 17:53.52 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i have no idea then ... |
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| 17:54.08 | cantoma | Selveste1, i didn't understand your question |
| 17:54.37 | cantoma | Selveste1, it sends segmentation fault to a shell thats the only thing i know |
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| 17:54.44 | xeon-enouf | dtcrshr: it should reload all .rules, likely maybe even restart udevd, so caveat emptor -- if youeven did /etc/init.d/networking restart, you'd lose net connects |
| 17:54.54 | xeon-enouf | temporarily atleast |
| 17:55.18 | dtcrshr | hm.. ill risk that, ill warnl everyone anyway |
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| 17:55.26 | dtcrshr | really nee web on this machine |
| 17:55.33 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: maybe follow up onwhat mesa_booger was mentioning - andcan you elaborate on your 32/64 bit setup? |
| 17:55.36 | justin | dtcrshr: wait |
| 17:55.43 | dtcrshr | and wanna know what will happen to my firewire devides (that i dont use) |
| 17:55.47 | justin | dtcrshr: how do you have users on the machine if your network connection isn't working? |
| 17:55.48 | Selveste1 | cantoma: evt try on ##xen |
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| 17:55.59 | dtcrshr | justin, i cant access WEB |
| 17:56.00 | valdyn | no one said that he has no network |
| 17:56.05 | dtcrshr | im using synergy right now |
| 17:56.06 | cantoma | Selveste1, but whats xen? |
| 17:56.14 | dtcrshr | the mouse and keyboard ar from the debian machine |
| 17:56.20 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: also -try a NEW system regular user .. it could be some OTHER dotfile in your /home/username |
| 17:56.25 | dtcrshr | all my local cpters are on the hosts file |
| 17:56.25 | justin | dtcrshr: and how is that working but the 'WEB' isn't? |
| 17:56.36 | justin | dtcrshr: so do you mean your DNS is broken? |
| 17:56.44 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i just have this user |
| 17:56.45 | BackLash|TheFly | justin, ok so i recompiled the .so and ran "LD_DEBUG=files LD_PRELOAD=./libnosleep.so sleep 5" |
| 17:56.47 | valdyn | his route is broken |
| 17:56.49 | BackLash|TheFly | http://pastebin.ca/1582886 |
| 17:56.55 | dtcrshr | justin: iv puttes some open dns to resolf.conf, with no go |
| 17:56.56 | valdyn | this error has been clear for 30 minutes |
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| 17:57.05 | dtcrshr | all my department machines i can ping |
| 17:57.10 | dtcrshr | and they are using the samba server |
| 17:57.10 | Selveste1 | cantoma: did you not say that XEN gave you segmentation fault ? |
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| 17:57.19 | cantoma | Selveste1, iceweasel |
| 17:57.21 | dtcrshr | but, i cant access web on this debian machine, besides the windows ones are fine |
| 17:57.28 | valdyn | justin: his dhcp server is giving him a default gateway that he cannot reach |
| 17:57.36 | dtcrshr | yeah |
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| 17:57.50 | Selveste1 | cantoma: Ahh :) sorry must have misread you and a nother persens lines :P |
| 17:58.02 | Selveste1 | *person |
| 17:58.03 | cantoma | mesa_booger, how can i check if the user is in the video group? |
| 17:58.05 | dtcrshr | .226 is down. i cant ping then (or it discards ctcp packates) even on the windowze machines |
| 17:58.07 | justin | dtcrshr: are the other machines on the same subnet as your server? |
| 17:58.07 | The2morrowMan | Figured it out! Samba was binding to the external interface on my server, and polling for other servers on the external subnet. Forced it to bind to the internal interface - problem solved. |
| 17:58.20 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: as user do 'groups' |
| 17:58.22 | mesa_booger | cantoma: the "groups" command |
| 17:58.31 | dtcrshr | yes, we are all on the same subnet |
| 17:58.31 | xeon-enouf | jumped the gun ;-) |
| 17:58.43 | justin | dtcrshr: what default gateway do all the other machines have? |
| 17:58.43 | valdyn | dtcrshr: is there no one you can ask for the proper route to whatever is the proper default gateway? |
| 17:58.48 | dtcrshr | this machine im in its 119.197, the server its .119.198 |
| 17:58.56 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, mesa_booger, jduro disk man proxy dialout cdrom floppy tape audio www-data irc video plugdev games users |
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| 18:00.05 | valdyn | dtcrshr: or actually, get the route from the machine you are on ( i guess 119.197 ) |
| 18:00.48 | dtcrshr | http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9567/confrede.jpg |
| 18:01.14 | cantoma | mesa_booger, just to get an idea .. if on root doesn't crash and on user yes then it must be permission related .. or not? |
| 18:01.36 | valdyn | dtcrshr: i think you didnt yet put up your route from the server on a paste site yet |
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| 18:02.04 | dtcrshr | yes |
| 18:02.26 | justin | windows doesn't care if the default gateway is not actually in the subnet it is in |
| 18:02.29 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i doubt that if the error is 'Segmentation Fault' |
| 18:02.54 | dtcrshr | valdyn http://pastebin.com/d4be91954 |
| 18:02.58 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, so what is your shot |
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| 18:03.02 | valdyn | justin: nor does linux |
| 18:03.11 | justin | linux does |
| 18:03.17 | valdyn | geez |
| 18:03.18 | dtcrshr | the subnet are all wrong, i think .224 gets the .226 out of the subnet |
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| 18:03.23 | valdyn | lets not do tcp/ip basics |
| 18:03.37 | justin | that is why he said before "i got SIOCADDRT: network out of range" |
| 18:03.39 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i'm thinking you have _other_ flashplayers from the past in the way or some OTHER dotfile in your /home/user is messing you |
| 18:03.51 | xeon-enouf | but you won't create a new USER! |
| 18:03.58 | xeon-enouf | so i'm done |
| 18:04.26 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: man adduser |
| 18:05.14 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i will do it |
| 18:05.18 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: do you have multiple FF/IW installations? various versions? if so, where are they installed? |
| 18:05.43 | dtcrshr | it should be .192 to allow me to see the .226 gtw |
| 18:05.48 | dtcrshr | the 224 ends on .222 |
| 18:05.52 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, it had a 32 bit flashplayer installed before |
| 18:06.03 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, now i change it to 64 bits |
| 18:06.06 | dtcrshr | crappy windows administrators, get an mcxxx certification and dont know network basics |
| 18:06.12 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: file /bin/ls |
| 18:06.12 | dtcrshr | look the pit im im.. :( |
| 18:06.27 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: run 'file /bin/ls' |
| 18:06.44 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 18:06.50 | valdyn | dtcrshr: i think the command to get the routing table on windows is something like "ipconfig /a" |
| 18:07.03 | dkr | netstat -a |
| 18:07.13 | dkr | er, netstat -r |
| 18:07.15 | justin | route print shows the routing table |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | ah, route print yea |
| 18:07.35 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: ok - and so, how did you remove the 32bit version, and how did you install any 64bit version -- and you only changed flashplayer from 32->64 ? |
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| 18:07.50 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, apt-get install |
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| 18:07.58 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i add a backdoor to have the 64 |
| 18:08.05 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 18:08.19 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 18:08.25 | cantoma | backport actually |
| 18:08.25 | dtcrshr | http://pastebin.com/d5053a4d8 |
| 18:08.25 | xeon-enouf | oh backprts |
| 18:08.34 | xeon-enouf | ok - that's fine |
| 18:08.44 | dtcrshr | thats ipconfig /all |
| 18:08.49 | dtcrshr | ill do anotehr with netstat |
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| 18:09.33 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, to have the 64 instead of 32 that is causing problems sometimes like grey screen .. so the 64 bit works like a gluve in root and crashes (on some websites) in user |
| 18:09.42 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: try the 'new user' thing, make sure that user is in all groups that olduser is in, then login as that newuser |
| 18:09.49 | dtcrshr | http://pastebin.com/d11a4ecca |
| 18:09.59 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, ok |
| 18:10.19 | dtcrshr | valdyn, is this u wanna look? |
| 18:10.33 | valdyn | dtcrshr: yea |
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| 18:11.25 | xeon-enouf | there was this othje ipconfig /flushdns-something .. not that you want to run that! |
| 18:11.40 | xeon-enouf | steps back |
| 18:12.51 | dtcrshr | valdyn, any clues? |
| 18:13.35 | xeon-enouf | !any clues |
| 18:13.41 | xeon-enouf | !any idea |
| 18:13.41 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of rabid platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:13.50 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
| 18:14.06 | justin | dtcrshr: change your subnet mask to be bigger to include your gateway? |
| 18:14.08 | valdyn | dtcrshr: not exactly, i think you could work around this fuckup with "route add -host 200.145.119.226 eth0" ( or whatever ethX it is now ) |
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| 18:14.39 | dtcrshr | aheuahuehauehuaehuae |
| 18:14.41 | dtcrshr | lmao |
| 18:14.53 | valdyn | dtcrshr: so? |
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| 18:15.33 | dtcrshr | last time i went with a subnet calculator to the ti management and told that .224 mask wont let me use after .222 machines, and they didnt got i asked "want me to draw this?" and got yes with an answer i kinda let this running |
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| 18:16.33 | valdyn | dtcrshr: i assume this host route was what someone had added before |
| 18:16.48 | xeon-enouf | why is this failing? 10:15 <xeon-enouf> dpkg any clue is <reply> see any idea |
| 18:17.16 | xeon-enouf | i want to actually link (a new) 'diskinfo' to <walot> |
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| 18:17.23 | et | dpkg: any clue |
| 18:17.23 | dpkg | et: i haven't a clue |
| 18:17.39 | et | dpkg: i noticed |
| 18:17.39 | dpkg | et: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:18.04 | valdyn | dtcrshr: changing the subnet mask would be kind of nicer, but you also could break something easily |
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| 18:21.25 | dtcrshr | stupid question: if i set the mask to 255.255.255.0 will i be able to reach the .226? |
| 18:21.34 | tarzeau | dtcrshr: yes |
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| 18:22.00 | valdyn | dtcrshr: theres probably a reason why they did not use 255.255.255.0 in the first place |
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| 18:23.00 | dtcrshr | yes! but theres no reason why they give me .224 mask via dhcp wanting me to reach the .226 router |
| 18:23.08 | SolarisBoy | wiggling |
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| 18:24.05 | dtcrshr | fsck it. ill just reboot |
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| 18:24.25 | valdyn | dtcrshr: why would that help? |
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| 18:26.03 | WolfAngel | guys... |
| 18:26.13 | WolfAngel | -bash: at: command not found |
| 18:26.17 | WolfAngel | wtf? |
| 18:26.21 | valdyn | !installit |
| 18:26.21 | SolarisBoy | heh |
| 18:26.22 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 18:27.40 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a trouble with netinstall, is there a way to use a debian netinstall with intel 5100 AGN? |
| 18:27.40 | xeon-enouf | atd should be there with minimal install |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | !tell Upgreydd about installer firmware |
| 18:27.52 | SolarisBoy | <--agrees |
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| 18:28.21 | xeon-enouf | ~$ which at |
| 18:28.22 | xeon-enouf | /usr/bin/at |
| 18:28.34 | dtcrshr | valdyn to check the mess with 70-.... rule did something crappier, they went to lunch |
| 18:28.36 | dtcrshr | i got 30min |
| 18:28.48 | Upgreydd | abrotman: thanks but i'm a newbie and i need steb by step tutorial :/ |
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| 18:29.02 | valdyn | dtcrshr: what? |
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| 18:29.14 | valdyn | dtcrshr: we had the solution already, whats the problem? |
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| 18:29.33 | dtcrshr | hmm. i missed the solution then. still no web |
| 18:29.52 | valdyn | dtcrshr: you rebooted, now check again which ethX we need to configure |
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| 18:30.24 | dtcrshr | the dhcp stopped on the dhcpdiscover eth1 ... |
| 18:30.36 | dtcrshr | same way of the dhclient we did before |
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| 18:30.45 | valdyn | dtcrshr: you mean its stuck? |
| 18:30.45 | Upgreydd | abrotman: intel 5100 AGN is supported by kernel 2.6.27 and higher, but netinstall is probably 2.6.26-2 i think |
| 18:30.48 | dtcrshr | ill wait it to come up |
| 18:30.56 | dtcrshr | but passed |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn | dtcrshr: did it come up? |
| 18:31.10 | xeon-enouf | important at |
| 18:31.13 | dtcrshr | im into gnome |
| 18:31.24 | dtcrshr | lemme check in the terminal, wait a sec |
| 18:31.26 | xeon-enouf | dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority}\t ${Package}\n' | egrep 'important|standard' | sort | less |
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| 18:32.23 | SolarisBoy | nice line |
| 18:32.29 | lolufail | do any of you have a >= 15tb dm-crypt? |
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| 18:32.41 | valdyn | !tell lolufail -about ask |
| 18:33.07 | lolufail | valdyn: this is a question wether or not it's possible |
| 18:33.20 | lolufail | I get kernel oopses |
| 18:33.25 | lolufail | cannot explain it |
| 18:33.40 | lolufail | no matter which debian-based distro I use (including debian) |
| 18:33.48 | xeon-enouf | using ext3 or ext4? and lvm? |
| 18:33.49 | lolufail | I might try opensolaris |
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| 18:34.03 | lolufail | ext4, lvm |
| 18:34.09 | dtcrshr | valdyn http://pastebin.com/d72e37c82 |
| 18:34.09 | lolufail | ontop of mdraid5 |
| 18:34.10 | xeon-enouf | is that some sort of NAS? |
| 18:34.12 | Upgreydd | Is there a way to use a Intel 5100 AGN (wich is supported in kernel 2.6.27 or higher) in netinstall? |
| 18:34.19 | valdyn | lolufail: ext4 and lvm both can do this size easily |
| 18:34.20 | justin | !+kmuto |
| 18:34.20 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 18:34.27 | xeon-enouf | Upgreydd: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:34.30 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
| 18:34.32 | valdyn | lolufail: *however* *not* that easily on 32-bit systems |
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| 18:34.40 | lolufail | it's 64 bit |
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| 18:35.09 | valdyn | dtcrshr: so its eth0 now |
| 18:35.22 | lolufail | I haven't tried lenny with sid kernel yet, gonna install this now. |
| 18:35.24 | valdyn | dtcrshr: can you reach the local subnet fine? |
| 18:35.27 | dtcrshr | should i get the old 70...rule back? |
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| 18:35.34 | dtcrshr | yeah, im using synergy right now |
| 18:35.37 | lolufail | I'm on this fuck for 3 days |
| 18:35.38 | valdyn | dtcrshr: ok |
| 18:35.45 | valdyn | dtcrshr: no, leave that alone for now |
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| 18:36.13 | valdyn | dtcrshr: "route add -host 200.145.119.226 eth0" |
| 18:36.30 | dtcrshr | samba its fine too |
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| 18:37.05 | dtcrshr | bibadmin@koopa:~$ sudo route add -host 200.145.119.226 eth0 bibadmin@koopa:~$ ping www.uol.com.br ping: unknown host www.uol.com.br |
| 18:37.18 | valdyn | dtcrshr: thats ok, you jump to fast |
| 18:37.26 | valdyn | dtcrshr: just ping 200.145.119.226 |
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| 18:39.16 | dtcrshr | now we got it! |
| 18:39.22 | dtcrshr | is happier now |
| 18:39.27 | valdyn | dtcrshr: not quite yet |
| 18:39.27 | dtcrshr | thanks valdyn |
| 18:39.42 | valdyn | dtcrshr: or did you add the default route yourself? |
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| 18:41.07 | dtcrshr | iv done route add default gw ... |
| 18:41.25 | valdyn | dtcrshr: ok, that should be all, now you just need to automate that i guess |
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| 18:41.37 | Titan8990 | dtcrshr, that is a failure to resolve |
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| 18:41.46 | Titan8990 | dtcrshr, DNS info is wrong |
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| 18:42.03 | nse | Hello everybody. I am about to buy a new computer and I must know first if it is compatible with Debian, of course. It is a kind computer with a ASUS P5KPL-AM motherboard and a Pentium Dual-Core cpu, it has 4 GB of Ram. Is this computer Ok for Debian? |
| 18:42.10 | dtcrshr | actually, im logging the steps im taking here, and will claim to higher staff |
| 18:42.31 | dtcrshr | too easy for them to blame generally on "linux" issues |
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| 18:42.51 | dtcrshr | well, im not loggin tht irc channel, nicks and whatsoever |
| 18:43.18 | dtcrshr | thanks for the attention anyway. hope this is not the permanent solution. hope they fix the dhcp, dns issues now |
| 18:43.44 | xeon-enouf | nse: ofcourse |
| 18:43.52 | nse | I am starting to think that my question... |
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| 18:43.58 | nse | xeon-enouf: Thank you. |
| 18:44.36 | Upgreydd | xeon-enouf: Thanks, meybe this is it :] |
| 18:45.02 | xeon-enouf | nse: note; Lenny has an older kernel, so you might need a newer kernel when installing, /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg kmuto ; /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 18:45.35 | xeon-enouf | Upgreydd: justin also mentioned it, just prior to me - into channel ;-) |
| 18:45.51 | xaashi | hi anyone know why calling /sbin/dhclient doesnt give you an address anymore? |
| 18:46.16 | xaashi | especially for wireless NICs |
| 18:46.16 | gasull | Hi all. I'm trying to resize my encrypted partitions enlarging the boot partition and creating a new partition for honeypotting (a just-for-fun project). http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Resizing_Encrypted_Filesystems I have unused space in my partitions, but everything is used by one partition or another. How do I proceed? Thank you in advance. |
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| 18:46.31 | xeon-enouf | xaashi: you sure dhcpcd-bin isn't what's being used? - or you're missing an iface? |
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| 18:47.07 | xeon-enouf | xaashi: ls /sys/class/net ; show us exact command you ran |
| 18:47.18 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: cool lookign at it now |
| 18:47.20 | nse | Thanks for the note, xeon-enouf. I am ok with testing. |
| 18:47.48 | Fare | Hum. For some reason, I upgraded KDE and a lot of packages, and when I login into kdm, even in failsafe mode, I now get disconnected immediately. Starting X manually seems to work with a fvwm. Xorg.0.log seems to be immediately rewritten by the next kdm attempt. How do I get debugging information? |
| 18:47.56 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: 1, /sbin/dhclient -> /usr/sbin/dhclient3 and the iface is fine |
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| 18:48.16 | xeon-enouf | gasull: easiest is to just get another HDD, save yourself the headache since you don't seem to familiar |
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| 18:48.19 | xaashi | i get an address if using Network manager |
| 18:48.49 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: p.s. by iface is fine i mean all the devices are listed in /sys/class/net |
| 18:49.09 | xeon-enouf | nse: familiarize your self with grub2 then (grub.enbug.org), /msg dpkg grub2 squeeze |
| 18:49.29 | gasull | xeon-enouf: well, I have a backup in an external drive. Should I delete everything and start anew? |
| 18:49.33 | xeon-enouf | xaashi: n-m doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:49.53 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: this is the log of calling dhclient3 http://debian.pastebin.com/d634b966d |
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| 18:50.23 | xeon-enouf | gasull: depends - but that's the general plan - i mean, i hope you don't need that backup whilst doing anything else |
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| 18:50.49 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: surely if the device is registered properly, i.e. driver loaded and etc, you should just be able set the network with 'iwconfig' and get a dhcp address |
| 18:50.49 | xeon-enouf | gasull: also - trytolearn LVM, especially for resizing partitions (PVs/VGs/LVs) |
| 18:51.09 | xeon-enouf | !wifi howto |
| 18:51.09 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 18:51.18 | xeon-enouf | i don't drink and wifi |
| 18:51.21 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
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| 18:51.31 | xaashi | lol thanks man |
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| 18:53.07 | rpgdude | just use the least drunk wifier system |
| 18:53.17 | xeon-enouf | gasull: it's lvm2 now (and the installer can install/use it) but you have some docs/things to read - for ex; http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/ and http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/index.html (note; Debian's version might be patched, so) |
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| 18:53.27 | gasull | xeon-enouf: What do you mean that I don't need the backup? If I get it right, the idea is to reinstall Debian and partition the disk as I wish, then copy the backup back to the disk, right? |
| 18:53.53 | gasull | xeon-enouf: I use Debian stable. Does this apply? |
| 18:54.06 | xeon-enouf | gasull: sure - you can do that - i thought you maybe wanted to make another install - and do all your testing with that |
| 18:54.19 | xeon-enouf | gasull: sure, lvm2 is in Stable |
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| 18:54.30 | xeon-enouf | judd: versionslvm2 |
| 18:54.31 | judd | xeon-enouf: Error: "versionslvm2" is not a valid command. |
| 18:54.33 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions lvm2 |
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| 18:54.35 | judd | xeon-enouf: lvm2 -- etch: 2.02.06-4etch1 lenny: 2.02.39-7 sid: 2.02.52-1 squeeze: 2.02.52-1 |
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| 18:55.12 | xeon-enouf | gasull: poke about on svn.debian.org/wsvn find lvm2 stuffs |
| 18:55.22 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i created another user .. and it didn't crash |
| 18:55.30 | xeon-enouf | gasull: and read /usr/share/doc/lvm2/* once installed |
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| 18:55.53 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: bingo - now to find out which dotfile (presumably) is the cause |
| 18:55.59 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, but my sound stop working alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 18:56.13 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: also, are the 'groups' the same for olduser / newuser ? |
| 18:56.29 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i edit the /etc/groups manually |
| 18:56.32 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: is udevd running? pgrep udevd |
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| 18:56.43 | gasull | This is the script I've been using for backup: http://dpaste.com/99494/ I've never restored a backup. Will it be OK? |
| 18:56.48 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: no no no , but .. whatever |
| 18:57.02 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: /etc/groups also has a /etc/gshadow |
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| 18:57.10 | xeon-enouf | and /etc/gshadow- |
| 18:57.17 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, udev is working for usbdisk |
| 18:57.33 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, yes |
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| 18:57.47 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: does olduser have a .asoundrc or .asoundconf ? |
| 18:57.51 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, so i should edit both |
| 18:57.55 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: i guess plain iwconfig + dhcp just aint cool no more .. no mention in the help pages .. what has the world come to |
| 18:58.06 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: no, use usermod, or gpasswd -a |
| 18:58.14 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, nothing with .asound |
| 18:58.23 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: you should have used adduser properly to begin with |
| 18:58.36 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i just let me set the default |
| 18:58.42 | xeon-enouf | xaashi: things change, and shit happens :-p |
| 18:58.46 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, then i edit the /etc/groups manually |
| 18:58.56 | gasull | xeon-enouf: Will the installation ask me if I want LVM2? As far as I remember, I think it will use just LVM |
| 18:59.02 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: you need to also logout/login once you make changes |
| 18:59.09 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, so will usermod fix it ?? |
| 18:59.14 | xeon-enouf | 'groups' should show all groups username is in |
| 18:59.15 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i mean write on both files |
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| 18:59.20 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 18:59.26 | xeon-enouf | and so would gpasswd |
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| 19:00.19 | xeon-enouf | gasull: yes, lvm implies lvm2 |
| 19:00.34 | xeon-enouf | gasull: lvm1 is old dead and buried basically, AFAIK |
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| 19:01.16 | Titan8990 | yes, lvm1 is done |
| 19:01.18 | gasull | xeon-enouf: thx |
| 19:01.22 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: if newuser isn't in groups audio, cdrom, plugdev, video , i can see an error from alsa |
| 19:01.48 | datacrusher | valdyn, the flame worked |
| 19:01.54 | datacrusher | now the gtw is .222 for me |
| 19:01.59 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: baked, cooked, and eaten .. and even flushed? :-p |
| 19:02.08 | datacrusher | they didnt fixed the mask, but gave me a proper gtw |
| 19:02.20 | sparr | NetworkManager does not seem to respect read-only (-w) on /etc/resolv.conf. Is that a bug or a feature? |
| 19:02.46 | xeon-enouf | 's veins are bulging .. :-) |
| 19:03.01 | Titan8990 | sparr, let me know if you figure that out because I have always disabled network-manager for that reason |
| 19:03.02 | dutchfish | !coffee xeon-enouf |
| 19:03.02 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for xeon-enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 19:03.06 | xeon-enouf | !fixresolvconf |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 19:03.09 | xaashi | xeon-enouf: umm.. it's annoying really, for n-m tries to take over everything .. you can't tell it no leave that damn card alone .. so if i want one card in monitor mode and another to surf with, forget it |
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| 19:03.19 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, this should work right: usermod -G disk,mail,news,man,proxy,voice,cdrom,audio,www-data,irc,video,users jduro |
| 19:03.20 | xeon-enouf | sparr: ^^^^ |
| 19:03.20 | Titan8990 | sparr, install resolvconf and adding dns-nameservers to your interfaces file may help |
| 19:03.24 | xaashi | .. if your using n-m at least it seems |
| 19:03.29 | xeon-enouf | see what dpkg said sparr |
| 19:04.02 | sparr | xeon-enouf: I am not using my ISP's nameservers, they suck. |
| 19:04.06 | Titan8990 | wth, is the dns-nameservers field in /etc/network/interfaces pretty much worthless for gnome desktops? |
| 19:04.16 | d1b | !resolve.conf |
| 19:04.17 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: yes, basically IIRC, try using -a before -G |
| 19:04.32 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: erm, jduro already exists? |
| 19:04.39 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, yes |
| 19:04.56 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: well i said NEWUSER - not EXISTINGUSER :-p |
| 19:05.02 | xeon-enouf | make it jduro1 |
| 19:05.05 | Fare | grrr. Even with no .* in my ~ logging into kdm dies after a short while, no interesting message in Xorg.0.log :( :( :( |
| 19:05.09 | d1b | usermod -aG group USER |
| 19:05.09 | xeon-enouf | or something else |
| 19:05.11 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i already did it |
| 19:05.19 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 19:05.26 | cantoma | for jduro |
| 19:05.27 | xeon-enouf | sparr: so what? |
| 19:05.43 | xeon-enouf | don't use resolvconf pkg |
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| 19:05.47 | d1b | sparr: add opendns to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:05.54 | d1b | er resolve.conf |
| 19:06.01 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 19:06.05 | xeon-enouf | resolv.conf :-P |
| 19:06.12 | d1b | xeon-enouf: eheehe |
| 19:06.15 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, what will happen if i do usermod in a existing user? |
| 19:06.19 | xeon-enouf | missing 'e' like in /usr :-p |
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| 19:06.26 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: nothing |
| 19:06.27 | applekid | Wow, I know this is the wrong place to ask, but there are so many people here that I might get an answer |
| 19:06.51 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: if the olduser is already in those groups |
| 19:06.52 | d1b | !question |
| 19:06.52 | dkr | applekid: no, you wno't |
| 19:06.55 | d1b | xeon-enouf: dpkg gone on a holiday ? |
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| 19:07.06 | applekid | Does anyone have a serial for the Palm OS program JackFlash? It is no longer sold by it's developer or any palm merchant AT ALL. |
| 19:07.18 | mesa_booger | a serial ? |
| 19:07.18 | d1b | applekid: wrong channel |
| 19:07.19 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: stop being difficult - you can try and 'replace' your default user LATER |
| 19:07.21 | archiebleh | lol |
| 19:07.22 | d1b | maye. |
| 19:07.25 | applekid | Yeah, okay.... |
| 19:07.26 | applekid | :( |
| 19:07.28 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, actually something is broken and groups for the user jduro doesn't show anything |
| 19:07.32 | sparr | d1b: /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten by NetworkManager |
| 19:07.32 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: we're troubleshooting now |
| 19:07.41 | d1b | sparr: i don't have that installed :) |
| 19:07.45 | Titan8990 | I would like to get to the bottom of this now.... if network-manager is in place with a statically assigned interface, then nameserver configuration belongs in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base? |
| 19:07.50 | dkr | !questions |
| 19:07.50 | dpkg | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> |
| 19:07.52 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: you broke it - whundafull |
| 19:08.00 | xeon-enouf | erm cantoma , not valdyn |
| 19:08.09 | dkr | d1b: plural. :) |
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| 19:08.29 | d1b | !gentoosmite dkr |
| 19:08.30 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling dkr, and when it's all done, dkr runs 1% slower than previously |
| 19:08.32 | sparr | d1b: then your answer is completely irrelevant to my question |
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| 19:08.38 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, well it will be fixed :-) |
| 19:08.40 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: why not find out where/how n-m stores it's settings - likely XML files |
| 19:08.47 | d1b | sparr: why do you need xm ? |
| 19:08.50 | d1b | erh nm* |
| 19:08.58 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, i don't use network-manager.... |
| 19:09.01 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i will reboot and see what he says |
| 19:09.02 | xeon-enouf | ...! |
| 19:09.20 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: stop rebooting, logout/login~! |
| 19:09.21 | d1b | xeon-enouf: nm is for the ubunters ;) |
| 19:09.29 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: try wicd? |
| 19:09.33 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, ok |
| 19:09.34 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, but the point is its not supposed to interfere with statically assigned interfaces, which it does not but IT DOES still write nameserver |
| 19:09.45 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i need to kill the X i thing |
| 19:09.48 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, i use /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 19:09.52 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: oh well - never touch the stuff myself ;-) |
| 19:10.08 | xeon-enouf | i DO use /etc/network/interfaces only |
| 19:10.16 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, so anyways, dns-nameservers will not circumvent this, the only solution i have found has been to disable network manager |
| 19:10.23 | dutchfish | Titan8990, you mean /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf ? |
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| 19:10.29 | bzrk | Titan8990: if youre using ext3 you can use chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf as an ugly hack |
| 19:10.46 | Titan8990 | bzrk, disabling network-manager is a less ugly hack |
| 19:11.06 | xeon-enouf | hence <fixresolvconf the ugly way> |
| 19:11.19 | Titan8990 | anyways, i am more asking for my experiences in troubleshooting other users, than my own stuff |
| 19:11.43 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: file TONS of bugs with n-m or .. is it gnome-related? |
| 19:11.43 | d1b | Titan8990: nm is evil! |
| 19:11.45 | Titan8990 | it sounds like there is no clear way |
| 19:11.59 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, n-m |
| 19:12.03 | xeon-enouf | d1 'teh 3vi7z' |
| 19:12.08 | dutchfish | Titan8990, also take a peak at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ |
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| 19:12.21 | xeon-enouf | ugh, dbus... heh |
| 19:12.29 | d1b | xeon-enouf: dbus is evil! |
| 19:12.37 | Titan8990 | dutchfish, we really want to tell people to look in there just to prevent their custom nameservers from being written? |
| 19:12.38 | xeon-enouf | this is SO windows registry-like |
| 19:12.46 | Titan8990 | it is.... its terrible |
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| 19:12.57 | dutchfish | Titan8990, no, its either that or udev |
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| 19:13.01 | bzrk | all that halfassed desktop stuff... |
| 19:13.06 | Titan8990 | dutchfish, i am trying to ask from the perspective of a regular user, not my own |
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| 19:13.16 | alekz | Hi! How can I change de gnome's system font in Squeeze? |
| 19:13.17 | dutchfish | Titan8990, ok, sorry |
| 19:13.22 | d1b | Titan8990: use ubuntu :) ? |
| 19:13.25 | Titan8990 | i can and will make it work, I am trying to find a "proper" way to convey to other people |
| 19:13.32 | Titan8990 | d1b, if i was mod i would kick you |
| 19:13.43 | d1b | Titan8990: YOU said normal people |
| 19:13.49 | d1b | i gave you a real answer. |
| 19:14.03 | d1b | i can give ubuntu to my mum :) |
| 19:14.09 | dkr | alekz: the preferences menu? |
| 19:14.10 | Titan8990 | my mom uses gentoo |
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| 19:14.17 | xeon-enouf | alekz: try/msg dpkg gnome |
| 19:14.17 | Titan8990 | because i tell her thats what shes using |
| 19:14.19 | d1b | Titan8990: ROFL |
| 19:14.24 | xeon-enouf | alekz: try; /msg dpkg gnome |
| 19:14.57 | d1b | Titan8990: oh im not evil... like that .... |
| 19:14.58 | Titan8990 | d1b, hehe it is funny but i am not kidding |
| 19:15.13 | Titan8990 | i configured it for her well |
| 19:15.24 | xeon-enouf | alekz: note; gconf-editor ; gconftool-2 (psst. don't tell anyone i told you) |
| 19:15.41 | d1b | xeon-enouf: why are you giving out gnome trade secrets :) ? |
| 19:15.52 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: have fun updating, she must be at work a LOT, all that re-compiling! :-P |
| 19:16.12 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, i can't/don't update that machine |
| 19:16.15 | xeon-enouf | !gentoosmite Titan8990 's mom's installation |
| 19:16.15 | d1b | xeon-enouf: no he just tells her that's the screensaver |
| 19:16.15 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling Titan8990 's mom's installation, and when it's all done, Titan8990 's mom's installation runs no faster than previously |
| 19:16.21 | Titan8990 | lol |
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| 19:16.35 | xeon-enouf | d1b: can't help it :-p |
| 19:17.02 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: nice - mum has kernel vulnerabilities now :-P |
| 19:17.05 | alekz | got it xeon-enouf , it was different in etch :P |
| 19:17.05 | d1b | xeon-enouf: one day i tried to use gconf-editor, i instantly closed it a second after i opened it |
| 19:17.09 | xeon-enouf | rootkits in the pipeline |
| 19:17.21 | d1b | needed the one second to see the thing |
| 19:17.42 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 19:17.57 | d1b | xeon-enouf: gentoo has a bsd port, she might be running that |
| 19:17.58 | d1b | ;) |
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| 19:18.30 | xeon-enouf | !kfreebsd |
| 19:18.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 19:18.36 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
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| 19:18.50 | d1b | xeon-enouf: haven't trie dit yet tho |
| 19:18.58 | xeon-enouf | neither |
| 19:19.05 | d1b | xeon-enouf: well that is since it went official |
| 19:19.06 | Bizzeh | hi, how do i set the qmail listener port in debian? |
| 19:19.17 | d1b | i ran it before it was going to be an arch |
| 19:19.28 | xeon-enouf | d1b: haha @ screensaver ...the matrix version? :-P |
| 19:19.45 | xeon-enouf | !qmai; |
| 19:19.47 | xeon-enouf | !qmail |
| 19:19.48 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. #qmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:19.57 | d1b | xeon-enouf: wait |
| 19:20.02 | d1b | is qmail still non-free ? |
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| 19:20.09 | d1b | i thought djb released most of his warez |
| 19:20.13 | valdyn | !factinfo qmail |
| 19:20.13 | dpkg | qmail -- last modified at Wed Apr 15 04:23:08 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 97 times, last by xeon-enouf, 25s ago. |
| 19:20.18 | valdyn | wow |
| 19:20.22 | xeon-enouf | tosses some 'squirrels' into the channel |
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| 19:20.35 | valdyn | !qmail |
| 19:20.35 | dpkg | well, qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install on Debian, ask me about <qmail debs>. See also <qmail equivs>. #qmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:20.43 | d1b | valdyn: yes we saw it |
| 19:20.57 | xeon-enouf | gsimmons knows his shit, AFAIK, at;least with wifi ;0 |
| 19:21.33 | d1b | I hereby place the qmail package (in particular, qmail-1.03.tar.gz, with MD5 checksum 622f65f982e380dbe86e6574f3abcb7c) into the public domain. You are free to modify the package, distribute modified versions, etc. |
| 19:21.37 | valdyn | dpkg: qmail ~= s/Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it <non-free>. // |
| 19:21.38 | d1b | http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, valdyn |
| 19:21.48 | radoe | Hm, wasn't qmail released to public domain some time ago? |
| 19:21.48 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 19:21.59 | d1b | valdyn: its public domain |
| 19:22.09 | xeon-enouf | someone should review the OSS4 stuffs too? |
| 19:22.15 | valdyn | d1b: thats actually why I tried this |
| 19:22.19 | d1b | dpkg: no qmail is is a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | d1b: okay |
| 19:22.25 | themill | valdyn: debian still considers it to be mostly-non-free and it's still not in debian |
| 19:22.29 | d1b | dpkg: no qmail is is a Mail Transfer Agent (<MTA>) written by D.J. Bernstein. it is the public domain |
| 19:22.30 | dpkg | okay, d1b |
| 19:22.35 | xeon-enouf | !gfdl |
| 19:22.36 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 19:22.37 | themill | d1b: now add all the rest of the information back in |
| 19:22.48 | xeon-enouf | oh crap - sorry |
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| 19:22.52 | d1b | themill: erh tis public domain |
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| 19:22.57 | valdyn | themill: its not illegal to distribute modified binaries |
| 19:22.57 | d1b | themill: one sec |
| 19:23.05 | SparFux | Hi! I don't get the Fvwm95-Setup menu entry in fvwm. Why is that? |
| 19:23.19 | d1b | lets clear this up first |
| 19:23.21 | xeon-enouf | SparFux: installit? |
| 19:23.33 | xeon-enouf | SparFux: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:23.35 | catsup | valdyn: the qmail maintainer seems to be a bit dense |
| 19:23.37 | d1b | qmail is in the public domain is it not ? |
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| 19:23.53 | xeon-enouf | is very dense and hard |
| 19:23.54 | jimcooncat | d1b: not really |
| 19:23.58 | catsup | d1b: it is now, but qmail package maintainer does nothing |
| 19:24.01 | catsup | jimcooncat: yes really |
| 19:24.02 | xeon-enouf | !be xeon-enouf barbie |
| 19:24.03 | dpkg | But xeon-enouf is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 19:24.15 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
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| 19:24.19 | valdyn | catsup: probably just not active |
| 19:24.21 | themill | d1b: according to most legal opinions, "putting something into the public domain" is not something that one can actually do |
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| 19:24.24 | d1b | jimcooncat: oh why not ? |
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| 19:24.41 | jimcooncat | djb did place restrictions on it |
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| 19:24.43 | catsup | valdyn: no... there was a bug report |
| 19:24.44 | d1b | themill: well, djbdns is now in debian is it not ? |
| 19:24.47 | xeon-enouf | thinks you all need to go over to #groklaw or #gnu |
| 19:24.56 | themill | catsup: there is no "qmail maintainer" because there is no qmail package in debian. |
| 19:25.09 | catsup | themill: there is a qmail installer package |
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| 19:25.40 | caca | hi |
| 19:25.41 | d1b | anyways postfix is nicer :) but no one in debian compalains about its license |
| 19:25.43 | themill | catsup: which is a completely different package. Why would the "qmail installer" maintiainer suddenly become th qmail maintainer? |
| 19:25.44 | caca | http://www.seslibitanem.com :) http://chatvebiz.tr.gg :) |
| 19:25.45 | caca | http://www.seslibitanem.com :) http://chatvebiz.tr.gg :) |
| 19:25.45 | SparFux | xeon-enouf: well, it should install with fvwm package, and it does, but there is no menu entry. |
| 19:25.46 | caca | http://www.seslibitanem.com :) http://chatvebiz.tr.gg :) |
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| 19:25.59 | xeon-enouf | caca: !stop you asshole |
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| 19:26.02 | catsup | themill: that's beside the point |
| 19:26.03 | jimcooncat | mostly about what directories the parts were supposed to be served out of |
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| 19:26.17 | mad93 | I've a strange problem mounting a samba share on lenny, all the files in the folder are repeated like 10 times each one, somebody know what can cause this? |
| 19:26.21 | themill | catsup: you're telling everyone that he's lazy and not doing his job. That's plainly untrue. |
| 19:26.22 | catsup | themill: the qmail installer is in contrib, but should be in main, or at least it was |
| 19:26.28 | xeon-enouf | SparFux: man update-menus? no idea with fvwm, i use openbox ;-) |
| 19:26.28 | catsup | i didn't sayu he was lazy |
| 19:26.32 | catsup | i said he was dense |
| 19:26.56 | xeon-enouf | mad93: that's insanity |
| 19:27.01 | xeon-enouf | fsck the fscker |
| 19:27.02 | catsup | and not because he failed to do anything, but because of the bizarre response to the bug report which reported that qmail had been released public domain |
| 19:27.27 | xeon-enouf | mad93: try cifs insted of smbfs? |
| 19:27.34 | d1b | themill: what is the official debian policy on this matter? |
| 19:27.44 | mad93 | i've tried with smbfs |
| 19:27.51 | xeon-enouf | density ~= mass :-) |
| 19:27.53 | mad93 | will try with cifs |
| 19:28.12 | xeon-enouf | mad93: win2k or later? |
| 19:28.21 | xeon-enouf | mad93: your mount options are? |
| 19:28.23 | mad93 | AS400 |
| 19:28.28 | mad93 | iSeries |
| 19:28.28 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 19:28.31 | d1b | themill: qmail *seems* to be public domain, im not going to argue the point cuz djdbns is ALSO public domain and that has been modified / packaged by debian |
| 19:28.33 | xeon-enouf | oh dear |
| 19:28.35 | catsup | http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453620 |
| 19:28.43 | catsup | what do you mean 'seems' |
| 19:28.45 | catsup | click the first link |
| 19:28.51 | mad93 | the machine it's old |
| 19:29.00 | catsup | i'll quote it: "I hereby place the qmail package (in particular, qmail-1.03.tar.gz, with MD5 checksum 622f65f982e380dbe86e6574f3abcb7c) into the public domain. You are free to modify the package, distribute modified versions, etc. " |
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| 19:29.31 | xeon-enouf | mad93: what OS? |
| 19:29.38 | mad93 | but i've tried with another distribution and i didn't have this problem :S |
| 19:29.39 | d1b | catsup: ehehe funny. |
| 19:29.42 | Fare | catsup, whoa. What decided him??? |
| 19:29.46 | mad93 | the IBM one OS400 |
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| 19:30.03 | catsup | d1b: funny?? |
| 19:30.14 | d1b | that's from 2007 |
| 19:30.24 | catsup | Fare: i don't know, but it was quite a while ago; he posted similar messages for many other software packages |
| 19:30.28 | xeon-enouf | mad93: er .. so Debian + smbfs -> OS400 ? |
| 19:30.56 | mad93 | yes, i want debian + smbfs connect to OS400 |
| 19:30.56 | xeon-enouf | is that the Alpha port? |
| 19:31.00 | jimcooncat | catsup: I stand corrected. I found djb's post placing qmail in public domain. Now my life is complete |
| 19:31.07 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 19:31.13 | xeon-enouf | mad93: dude, no idea, sorry |
| 19:31.22 | mad93 | np, thanks for your time |
| 19:31.23 | catsup | jimcooncat: well, glad i could complete you |
| 19:31.34 | catsup | jimcooncat: we don't have to get married do we? |
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| 19:31.54 | xeon-enouf | !marry catsup and jimcooncat |
| 19:31.55 | dpkg | catsup, do you take jimcooncat to be your lawfully wedded spouse? jimcooncat, do you take catsup? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 19:31.56 | jimcooncat | catsup: not today, thanks |
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| 19:32.11 | catsup | =D |
| 19:32.29 | catsup | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUrHP-4YCw |
| 19:32.57 | jimcooncat | that bot thinks it's in vegas or something! where's my blood test? |
| 19:32.58 | mad93 | -> /etc/samba/smb.conf affects smbfs? (to put in debug/verbose mode) |
| 19:33.04 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, both users seem to work now. iceweasel doesn't crash now for both. Maybe it was the groups thing broken |
| 19:33.13 | themill | catsup: please at least make some attempt to stay on topic.... |
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| 19:33.34 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: 'both users'? which 'both users'? |
| 19:34.01 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, the old and new one |
| 19:34.02 | robin_sz | greetings. Im trying to bring an old 3.1 box up to dat to 5.x lenny ... |
| 19:34.05 | xeon-enouf | remember, root is a user' |
| 19:34.24 | xeon-enouf | ok - well cantoma , what did you do to OLDuser? |
| 19:34.27 | robin_sz | its telling me .. please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run: |
| 19:34.27 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.27 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, root was always working |
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| 19:34.34 | xeon-enouf | i know |
| 19:34.41 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, old user is the actual user now |
| 19:34.47 | robin_sz | which seems a bit odd ... and anyway, I tried that and it failed in a variety of ways |
| 19:34.51 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: ... |
| 19:34.58 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, the new user was the one that i create |
| 19:35.03 | robin_sz | any clues as to the right way to go from sarge to lenny? |
| 19:35.04 | jimcooncat | robin_sz: wouldn't it be better to do a clean install? |
| 19:35.08 | xeon-enouf | that, i understand cantoma |
| 19:35.20 | robin_sz | jimcooncat, apart from the losing all the data bit, yes. |
| 19:35.25 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: so you left olduser in the dust? |
| 19:35.36 | robin_sz | or loosing, as americans say |
| 19:35.46 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i may remove it later |
| 19:35.49 | clarjon1 | robin_sz: burn to disc/copy to usb? |
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| 19:35.54 | xeon-enouf | robin_sz: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; /msgdpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:36.13 | robin_sz | doffs his cap to enouf |
| 19:36.27 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: i see - so olduser isn't logged in atm? or ... |
| 19:36.40 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: what did you alter about olduser? |
| 19:36.41 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, atm? |
| 19:36.46 | xeon-enouf | !atm |
| 19:36.46 | dpkg | hmm... atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones, or 'at the moment', or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 19:36.51 | robin_sz | hmm ... I have to go via etch? |
| 19:36.54 | robin_sz | cries |
| 19:36.54 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i did the usermod on it |
| 19:36.55 | xeon-enouf | at the moment |
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| 19:37.10 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: so what groups did you alter? |
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| 19:37.19 | xeon-enouf | robin_sz: yes |
| 19:37.32 | xeon-enouf | robin_sz: for safety :-P |
| 19:37.55 | xeon-enouf | robin_sz: 2.4.27/2.6.8 -> 2.6.26 is a big leap :-P |
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| 19:38.00 | xeon-enouf | plus gcc versions |
| 19:38.01 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, the information between groups and the other file were broken for the olduser .. cause i change it manually long time ago |
| 19:38.04 | robin_sz | dang, It already did a good part of sarge to lenny before it bummed out |
| 19:38.11 | xeon-enouf | plus apt/aptitude changes + more |
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| 19:38.40 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: oh? no /etc/gshadow for old user? |
| 19:38.40 | wsxws | hi there |
| 19:38.51 | wsxws | is there a way t limit the bandwith of a ftp-transfer ? |
| 19:39.01 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, it was different from /etc/groups for old user |
| 19:39.07 | xeon-enouf | judd info trickle |
| 19:39.09 | judd | xeon-enouf: trickle (net): is optional; Version: 1.07-6; Size: 36.4k; Installed: 156k -- user-space bandwidth shaper |
| 19:39.21 | robin_sz | gives it a kick in the direction of etch |
| 19:39.33 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: ok, i'm confused - but glad it's working |
| 19:39.54 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, actually its not perfect yet. but it doesn't crash |
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| 19:40.10 | xeon-enouf | !perfect cantoma |
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| 19:40.13 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i ear sound but no video in the window in the page |
| 19:40.18 | xeon-enouf | :-p |
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| 19:40.24 | d1b | i ear stuff too! |
| 19:40.31 | reber | hi all |
| 19:40.37 | xeon-enouf | accepts some aural :-p |
| 19:40.52 | reber | upgrade-from-grub-legacy broke my box with an error 15 : file not found. Ideas ? |
| 19:41.04 | robin_sz | aural .. sounds ... hmm .. messy |
| 19:41.06 | xeon-enouf | reber: ? |
| 19:41.23 | xeon-enouf | reber: you have grub-pc now? |
| 19:41.25 | d1b | reber: reinstall grub / use the lenny / etch rescue cd to reinstall / fix grub. |
| 19:41.30 | bzrk | reber: check your grub hd settings |
| 19:41.31 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, after a while it crashed again :( |
| 19:41.46 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: show us error message |
| 19:41.48 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, jduro@ssxp34089c:~$ iceweasel Segmentation fault |
| 19:41.48 | bzrk | reber: its probably hd1,0 or similar now |
| 19:41.53 | xeon-enouf | ugh |
| 19:42.00 | d1b | cantoma: what is this ? |
| 19:42.13 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, is there a way of taking a log? |
| 19:42.17 | d1b | if it is 64bit flash give up |
| 19:42.22 | d1b | :) |
| 19:42.27 | cantoma | d1b, it is |
| 19:42.34 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: that's iceweasel - run memtest86+ on your RAM - i asked prior, is SWAP being used? |
| 19:42.36 | reber | i tried with dsl (damn small), to reinstall old grub, but there is no stage 1 anymore... |
| 19:42.43 | d1b | cantoma: give up, don't pass go do not collect $1000 |
| 19:42.46 | d1b | just use swf-dec |
| 19:42.47 | ranix | !idd |
| 19:42.47 | xeon-enouf | free -m --> pastebin |
| 19:42.49 | wsxws | is there a way t limit the bandwith of a ftp-transfer ? |
| 19:42.50 | cantoma | d1b, is there issues? |
| 19:42.51 | reber | bzrk, ok, i think i just tried, but i can try again |
| 19:42.56 | abrotman | wsxws: trickle |
| 19:42.58 | d1b | xeon-enouf: no its not its flash, its broken on 64bit for me too :) |
| 19:42.59 | clarjon1 | d1b: I use 64bit flash.... |
| 19:43.04 | d1b | clarjon1: oh really ? |
| 19:43.07 | clarjon1 | yep |
| 19:43.17 | xeon-enouf | d1b: i never use flashcrapoopshit |
| 19:43.17 | d1b | clarjon1: which flash version ? |
| 19:43.24 | wsxws | sorry, didnt see it before |
| 19:43.24 | stew | wsxws: have a look at trickle |
| 19:43.31 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, i have a swap memory yes. i will run memtest86+ |
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| 19:43.33 | reber | d1b, yeah, that's what i just read. I have a lenny installer i think. I can try that |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 19:43.38 | clarjon1 | one from the repos i believe :P |
| 19:43.51 | clarjon1 | browses to see |
| 19:43.54 | d1b | clarjon1: 64bit flash ? .... yes which v of flash 10 |
| 19:43.56 | stew | sorry, abortman |
| 19:44.00 | robin_sz | watches an old unloved sarge happily (so far) upgrading to etch |
| 19:44.01 | abrotman | i saw that! |
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| 19:44.04 | avertv-volar-bla | is there any GNU/Linux ( GPL licensed) app that allows me to work with DLC files? One that does NOT depend on java?? |
| 19:44.05 | clarjon1 | hang on, synpatic is searching |
| 19:44.10 | robin_sz | isnt debian lovely? |
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| 19:44.16 | clarjon1 | hm |
| 19:44.19 | d1b | reber: i love lenny |
| 19:44.24 | avertv-volar-bla | The alternative must support DLC files though |
| 19:44.26 | clarjon1 | I got the package that downloaded the bin from adobe... |
| 19:44.36 | clarjon1 | guess i'll have to goto a page with flash to find out now lol |
| 19:44.38 | clarjon1 | oh |
| 19:44.42 | reber | d1b, yeah lenny is sweet |
| 19:44.43 | d1b | clarjon1: probably :) |
| 19:44.47 | bzrk | clarjon1: about:plugins |
| 19:45.04 | clarjon1 | Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 |
| 19:45.07 | reber | testing is very broken these days |
| 19:45.19 | d1b | clarjon1: mm 10.0.32.18 ? |
| 19:45.33 | d1b | im trying to work out if that is the older one or not |
| 19:45.50 | clarjon1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.50 | clarjon1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.59 | d1b | clarjon1: not helpful :) |
| 19:46.06 | clarjon1 | d1b: I dunno, that's what it gives me :P |
| 19:46.19 | clarjon1 | runs locate flash to see if he can find it... |
| 19:46.20 | clarjon1 | ah |
| 19:46.25 | clarjon1 | /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:46.25 | clarjon1 | /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
| 19:46.30 | reber | d1b, trying this lenny rescue stuff |
| 19:46.32 | d1b | clarjon1: there we go |
| 19:46.42 | d1b | yeah that exact version doesn't work for me |
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| 19:46.48 | clarjon1 | it works beautifully for me |
| 19:46.49 | xeon-enouf | someone might want to (as root) 'update-alternative --config flash-mozilla.plugin' ? or similar (use TAB completion) |
| 19:46.59 | clarjon1 | it's smoother than any 32bit flash i've used :P |
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| 19:47.15 | clarjon1 | Plus, i've not had that issue where the sound will become garbled if flash is left going for hours at a time |
| 19:47.15 | d1b | clarjon1: segfaults on games for me :) |
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| 19:47.41 | clarjon1 | d1b: no segfaults as of yet! |
| 19:47.53 | xeon-enouf | flash --> games? o m f g ... might as well use Java :-p |
| 19:48.04 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, after apt-get install memtest86+ is it loaded into my grub automatically? |
| 19:48.06 | d1b | xeon-enouf: yeah but it is easier to install flash to another user |
| 19:48.09 | d1b | and containerise it |
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| 19:48.17 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: did update-grub run? |
| 19:48.17 | robin_sz | java is fine on Debian these days, not even painful to install any more |
| 19:48.34 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, ok i will reboot |
| 19:48.36 | robin_sz | just avoid that gcj stuff |
| 19:48.36 | clarjon1 | fullscreen video is pretty decent as well, for me :P |
| 19:48.44 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, thanks |
| 19:48.46 | d1b | reber: *that* gcj stuff is open source |
| 19:48.48 | xeon-enouf | java is 'teH 3v|7z' |
| 19:48.51 | clarjon1 | fullscreen flash :P |
| 19:48.53 | d1b | reber: JAVA IS EVIL |
| 19:48.56 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, well the computer is 2 months old |
| 19:48.56 | d1b | SUN IS EVIL |
| 19:48.59 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 19:49.06 | clarjon1 | d1b: OpenOffice is evil? :( |
| 19:49.13 | xeon-enouf | d1b: del sol is not ;-) |
| 19:49.14 | d1b | clarjon1: no but we are now ot |
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| 19:49.34 | xeon-enouf | Solar Energy == WinWin |
| 19:49.37 | robin_sz | d1b, true, but its not ready for prime time yet, missing a lot of features, such as a security manager |
| 19:49.41 | AimHere | Just s/evil/non-dfsg compliant/ and we're back to ontopicness |
| 19:49.57 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 19:49.58 | d1b | robin_sz: security is overrated :) |
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| 19:50.20 | rpgdude | d1b, is that an open invitation? |
| 19:50.25 | xeon-enouf | used to love those silly Sandboxing options for Java in IE4+ options, hehe |
| 19:50.28 | d1b | rpgdude: please come and get me! |
| 19:50.50 | d1b | do note -> i have an extra 50gb to throw around for 2 days |
| 19:50.51 | rpgdude | im jk |
| 19:50.59 | bzrk | d1b: your ip is 127.0.0.1? |
| 19:51.09 | d1b | bzrk: no it is 127.1.0.1 |
| 19:51.23 | humbolt | which cluster fs do you guys recommend? |
| 19:51.26 | robin_sz | anyway, Java is a lot easier to install on debain these days, whether you choose gcj or a "proper" Sun one, ts no more troublesoem than any other package, that was my point |
| 19:51.43 | d1b | humbolt: depends, on what the use case is |
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| 19:52.10 | humbolt | just a bunch of VMs accessing the same block device but not even the same files! |
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| 19:52.34 | d1b | humbolt: how many vms, how much space, how many disks etc. |
| 19:52.45 | xs | hi. i run a large apt repository of 1.8k .deb packages for R. we're using mini-dinstall. from time to time, we get "Size mismatch" errors. any ideas? |
| 19:52.47 | d1b | humbolt: is it going to be on a nas / san etc. |
| 19:52.59 | humbolt | d1b: it should be resizeable after creation. expandable the only direction necessary. |
| 19:53.17 | d1b | whats the vm software in use ? |
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| 19:54.21 | humbolt | d1b: Xen, with only linux hosts, all debian lenny. all VMs on one machine. The block device being an LVM LV being assigned to 3-5 VMs. |
| 19:54.30 | humbolt | not much load on the VMs and on the disk |
| 19:54.43 | d1b | humbolt: so why do you want to put it on a network then ? |
| 19:54.53 | atomiku | How come apache2 that I installed with apt-get has no SSL? |
| 19:54.55 | humbolt | did I say that? |
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| 19:55.01 | atomiku | I mean, theres no apache2-ssl-certificate, no SSL directories, etc |
| 19:55.11 | d1b | if there isn't to much load you could just use nfs / iscsi |
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| 19:55.22 | reber | d1b, how to rescue grub with lenny livecd ? |
| 19:55.37 | humbolt | not talking about distributed or network, just cluster fs. Ergo, more than one VM being able to mount the same fs without risking data corruption. |
| 19:55.45 | themill | atomiku: there's no separate ssl package required for apache2. /msg dpkg apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:55.51 | d1b | humbolt: OH |
| 19:56.13 | d1b | um, i see. i would give each a ro /bin /sbin etc. if that's what you mean |
| 19:56.22 | d1b | and you could give that /share that to the guests |
| 19:56.27 | atomiku | themill: Thank you very much :) |
| 19:56.34 | humbolt | imagine the disks being on a san mounted via iscsi on all VMs. does not make any big difference in setup, but might be easier to picture. |
| 19:56.38 | d1b | or do you mean between them |
| 19:56.38 | xeon-enouf | reber: type 'rescue' at boot prompt? |
| 19:56.48 | xeon-enouf | reber: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 19:56.56 | reber | xeon-enouf, done course, then? |
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| 19:57.05 | humbolt | d1b: all have their own root fs. It's just about sharing user data. |
| 19:57.08 | xeon-enouf | reber: no idea how the #debian-live cd works though |
| 19:57.11 | robin_sz | ah, will you look at that ... etch has the mysql5.0 client ... |
| 19:57.19 | d1b | humbolt: nfs might be ok for that :) |
| 19:57.20 | robin_sz | no need to go to lenny after all |
| 19:57.23 | xeon-enouf | reber: follow p[rompts |
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| 19:57.50 | xeon-enouf | reber: i need to go - sorry |
| 19:57.52 | humbolt | d1b: I would like to spare me the network overhead if possible. Direct disk access is faster! |
| 19:57.56 | reber | xeon-enouf, #debian-live doesnt exist |
| 19:58.05 | xeon-enouf | !live |
| 19:58.05 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). |
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| 19:58.35 | humbolt | d1b: have an nfs setup now. Works so far, but is about a third to half times slower than direct access. |
| 19:58.39 | d1b | humbolt: well im not sure on file locking if you make /home all one shared partition / blah |
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| 19:58.56 | d1b | you could share it ... |
| 19:59.13 | humbolt | d1b: the VMs do not actually access the same data. |
| 19:59.41 | humbolt | d1b: It's just about sharing space, so I do not run out of space on the one VM, while I have tons of space left on the other. |
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| 20:00.16 | bzrk | whoever decided that pulseaudio was ready to be included, i wish him endless diarrhea |
| 20:00.19 | d1b | humbolt: don't know :) i just give me xens files and large disk allocation, xen dynamically allocates disk space on the fly that way :) |
| 20:00.22 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.30 | valdyn | bzrk: why? |
| 20:00.39 | valdyn | bzrk: you dont have to use it |
| 20:00.42 | bzrk | cause its a horribly broken mess |
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| 20:00.55 | d1b | bzrk: wait is squeeze getting pulseaudio ? |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | bzrk: or you ar unable to configure it |
| 20:01.02 | bzrk | yes... |
| 20:01.06 | d1b | bzrk: #fail |
| 20:01.10 | stew | etch has pulseaudio |
| 20:01.11 | mesa_booger | bzrk: i hate to admit it, but you are right |
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| 20:01.31 | bzrk | i think pulseaudio has great potential, but its just not ready yet |
| 20:01.50 | stew | bzrk: then uninstall it, or fix bugs in it |
| 20:01.54 | Titan8990 | i think they should improve also before they start layering on top of it |
| 20:02.02 | Titan8990 | s/also/alsa |
| 20:02.05 | valdyn | who'S they |
| 20:02.08 | bzrk | valdyn: sure i can and have uninstalled it, but its needlessly linked to a heap of stuff |
| 20:02.16 | bzrk | like azureus, mplayer, okular... |
| 20:02.16 | Titan8990 | valdyn, linux sound devs |
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| 20:02.55 | d1b | Titan8990: plz no |
| 20:03.01 | d1b | kernel -> alsa -> else |
| 20:03.05 | valdyn | one is an api, one is a network server, its developed by independent people |
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| 20:03.06 | Titan8990 | valdyn, over general, yes, but the fact that there is not really a "they" as a small problem in itself |
| 20:03.10 | reber | !grub |
| 20:03.10 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors> and <grub2>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 20:03.23 | xeon-enouf | Audio in linux; hehe http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
| 20:03.43 | xeon-enouf | what a dump |
| 20:04.10 | valdyn | everyone can create a crappy sound server |
| 20:04.21 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, agreed, that is terrible |
| 20:04.22 | valdyn | maybe thats the cause where theres so many ;) |
| 20:04.26 | mesa_booger | sound servers were invented mainly to have more than one app accessing the sound card. old oss only allowed one app at a time. when alsa came, it was a partial cure. so pulse was invented. but pulse doesn't replace alsa, it goes on top. so it is bound to fail, if alsa ain't that great to start with |
| 20:04.44 | xeon-enouf | indeed mesa_booger ! |
| 20:04.46 | lunk | are there any debian packages to automagically reject attempted SSH logins? |
| 20:04.51 | mesa_booger | it's high time oss4 was adopted |
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| 20:04.54 | d1b | #/bin/bash while (x=1); do cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp ;done |
| 20:04.54 | Titan8990 | lunk, fail2ban |
| 20:04.55 | stew | lunk: fail2ban |
| 20:04.59 | themill | lunk: fail2ban |
| 20:05.05 | lunk | survey says....... |
| 20:05.07 | Titan8990 | stew, themill, i win |
| 20:05.09 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: especially since alsaconf is now all in HAL! |
| 20:05.12 | themill | !win Titan8990 |
| 20:05.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, Titan8990! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:05.26 | Titan8990 | second!?!?! |
| 20:05.33 | Titan8990 | cries in the corner |
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| 20:05.40 | d1b | Titan8990: you really don't want to seefirst ;) |
| 20:05.40 | xeon-enouf | lunk: even denyhosts, and iptables |
| 20:05.49 | bzrk | mesa_booger: too true, however, i fear now we will have to go through endless attempts of making pulseaudio and alsa work, a lot of breakage coming our way... |
| 20:06.09 | asg | lunk: use fwknop (http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/) much better solution |
| 20:06.10 | stew | bzrk: if you don't want to use it, don't use it |
| 20:06.28 | lunk | thanks for the suggestions, i like alternatives, will reseearch them |
| 20:06.30 | lunk | thanks guys |
| 20:06.40 | d1b | lunk: just changing the port is enough + only ssh keys |
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| 20:06.47 | mesa_booger | bzrk: oss4 beats all the opposition hands down. i know plenty of sound devs who ditched oss in favour of alsa, who are ready to go right back |
| 20:06.48 | justin | yes, fail2ban==fail |
| 20:06.56 | MaDSeN | hi guys.. how is it one lookup uid ? |
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| 20:07.07 | asg | MaDSeN: gettent <username> |
| 20:07.14 | asg | MaDSeN: or id(1) |
| 20:07.17 | dkr | grep username /etc/passwd |
| 20:07.22 | d1b | mesa_booger: alsa is nicer :) |
| 20:07.25 | MaDSeN | dkr: thnx |
| 20:07.29 | radoe | d1b: |
| 20:07.31 | xeon-enouf | d1b: why? |
| 20:07.37 | dkr | asg: hehe |
| 20:07.45 | lunk | holy cow, port knocking! I havent seen that since i did a research paper in a cisco course |
| 20:07.50 | lunk | hah |
| 20:07.59 | d1b | xeon-enouf: re ? |
| 20:08.02 | xeon-enouf | d1b: it's inception into udev/hal/dbus and DEs makes it Pukable |
| 20:08.08 | radoe | dkr: which misses ldap and other nss schemes completely... |
| 20:08.09 | xeon-enouf | alsa |
| 20:08.11 | asg | lunk: fwknop is much better than simple port knocking though |
| 20:08.16 | d1b | xeon-enouf: yeah ut once setup it is fine :) |
| 20:08.22 | d1b | but* |
| 20:08.24 | xeon-enouf | d1b: itjust has the 'in-kernel' advantage |
| 20:08.26 | asg | dkr: yeah, missed a 'passwd' in the gettent line there |
| 20:08.28 | stew | asg: (you mean getent 'passwd' username) |
| 20:08.33 | stew | :) |
| 20:08.37 | asg | grins |
| 20:08.38 | lunk | asg: i'm sure it's come a long way. i haven't even heard of it in like 7-8 years |
| 20:08.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:08.42 | d1b | xeon-enouf: and not made of fail :) |
| 20:08.54 | xeon-enouf | TrueDD: !! aloha |
| 20:09.03 | stew | was there really a long way for port knocking to come? its not like its a tough concept :) |
| 20:09.08 | dkr | asg: I was just chuckling since he thanked me and not you. :-p |
| 20:09.13 | xeon-enouf | d1b: ys, it fails more than not in squeeze and on |
| 20:09.15 | reber | no ideas for grub crash ? |
| 20:09.31 | d1b | xeon-enouf: so don't upgrade it :) |
| 20:09.32 | asg | dkr: your response probably got there before mine did :) |
| 20:09.33 | TrueDD | ola xeon-enouf :) |
| 20:09.51 | xeon-enouf | d1b: the idiots that did away with alsaconf should be shot |
| 20:10.02 | d1b | xeon-enouf: what? |
| 20:10.06 | d1b | alsaconf is gone ? |
| 20:10.10 | d1b | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:10.13 | xeon-enouf | d1b: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:10.18 | bzrk | d1b: ^^ |
| 20:10.19 | xeon-enouf | it works on Lenny! |
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| 20:10.35 | themill | hopes that d1b and xeon-enouf will spend less time bitching and more time sending patches |
| 20:10.38 | xeon-enouf | d1b: don;'tupgrade it? on Sid? lma |
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| 20:11.11 | xeon-enouf | themill: and qmail DFSG convos belong in -offtopic :-) |
| 20:11.19 | Jemt | Hi. I have a strange problem with a samba share. I mounted it using smbfs, and I'm capable of creating files, but not modifying them - I get the error " No such file or directory". Any suggestions ? |
| 20:11.20 | xeon-enouf | or somewhere else |
| 20:11.35 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: i bit the bullet and went full-on sid here. in fact i'm running the 2.6.31 sidux kernel, as a sort of preview |
| 20:11.45 | loevgaard | When I ping a host which doesnt exist on my server it changes the host to "my input".[my servers hostname] and then PING always returns true and not false as it should when its an unknown host. How do I fix this? |
| 20:11.52 | d1b | themill: only if patches are accepted ;) |
| 20:11.55 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i'm still plainsid w/ .30 |
| 20:11.57 | themill | xeon-enouf: quite. That's why I dropped it. |
| 20:12.02 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: alsa is dead |
| 20:12.11 | mesa_booger | long live alsa ! |
| 20:12.12 | bzrk | loevgaard: sounds like you have a dns catchall set up |
| 20:12.18 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: but it's ok, i only do pr0n with puter ;-) |
| 20:12.24 | xeon-enouf | no sound required ;-) |
| 20:12.28 | themill | d1b: make them good enough and they will be. Complaining on is unproductive at best; usually counter-productive |
| 20:12.48 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: alsa is dead <--for me on sid |
| 20:12.50 | d1b | themill: when did i complain ? |
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| 20:13.20 | xeon-enouf | ok -- done |
| 20:13.39 | loevgaard | bzrk, what does that mean? That I have *.[my server] in my DNS? |
| 20:13.53 | bzrk | loevgaard: yes |
| 20:13.55 | d1b | loevgaard: try intodns.com/DOMAINHERE |
| 20:13.57 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: oh did i mention i'm on oss4 here ? it's the future. there's light at the end of the tunnel. it's an express train coming right at us with oss4 written on the side ... |
| 20:13.58 | dutchfish | loevgaard, a catch all |
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| 20:14.22 | d1b | mesa_booger: oss is so long dead |
| 20:14.34 | mesa_booger | o rly |
| 20:14.35 | dutchfish | loevgaard, so that every subdomain sub.domain.tld will point to domain.tld |
| 20:15.22 | xeon-enouf | d1b: no, only old admins and stupid ideas are dead |
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| 20:16.47 | d1b | xeon-enouf: when was the last oss api alteration for the kernel > |
| 20:16.59 | xeon-enouf | hands a boxcutter to d1b |
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| 20:17.08 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 20:17.25 | xeon-enouf | d1b: seen the license? |
| 20:17.36 | xeon-enouf | oh dear .. here we go .. sorry |
| 20:17.37 | d1b | xeon-enouf: which ? |
| 20:17.42 | xeon-enouf | !oss4 |
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| 20:17.47 | xeon-enouf | uh |
| 20:17.51 | d1b | xeon-enouf: or not! |
| 20:17.57 | bzrk | d1b: dont judge oss4 by the old oss3 implementation, you are bound to miss out |
| 20:18.03 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: where's your oss4 factoid? |
| 20:18.05 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 20:18.14 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: get with the program! |
| 20:18.14 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, xeon-enouf |
| 20:18.16 | Titan8990 | !oss |
| 20:18.16 | dpkg | i heard oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound |
| 20:18.21 | d1b | well i have a nforce sound storm :) and it is awesome |
| 20:18.25 | d1b | with alsa |
| 20:18.54 | xeon-enouf | d1b: that's soooo old .. but thebest for Redmond OSes |
| 20:19.03 | bzrk | a buddies x-fi didnt work with alsa but works nicely with oss4 |
| 20:19.18 | d1b | bzrk: odd. |
| 20:19.21 | Titan8990 | doesn't the BSDs use OSS? |
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| 20:19.37 | xeon-enouf | d1b: IIRc, that's nforce2 chipset? |
| 20:19.37 | d1b | themill: yes. |
| 20:19.38 | d1b | xeon-enouf: what's oss4 under? |
| 20:19.39 | valdyn | how odd that different drivers get released at different times, duh |
| 20:19.43 | xeon-enouf | under? |
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| 20:19.54 | d1b | xeon-enouf: nforce2 yeah |
| 20:19.57 | mesa_booger | i think he means licensing |
| 20:20.03 | d1b | mesa_booger: yep :) |
| 20:20.05 | xeon-enouf | no idea |
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| 20:20.44 | d1b | says bsd ... |
| 20:21.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.21 | dpkg | methinks bsd is read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying |
| 20:21.27 | d1b | i nkow what bsd is :) |
| 20:21.40 | adb | not me .. |
| 20:21.40 | bzrk | d1b: the main problem with oss4 is that it does a lot of stuff in kernelspace, and since the kernel these days is more and more about putting stuff in userspace its chances of inclusion are rather slim |
| 20:21.44 | konr | I'm trying to run another window manager in another display. I ran `startx -- :1` and got "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting". Any idea how to authorize my user? |
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| 20:22.30 | d1b | bzrk: good :) |
| 20:22.30 | Titan8990 | konr, add to video group maybe? |
| 20:22.40 | bzrk | d1b: pfff ^^ |
| 20:22.51 | d1b | bzrk: the kernel is getting fat enough |
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| 20:23.04 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: er.. the inverse is true |
| 20:23.04 | Titan8990 | linus just put out an article about that |
| 20:23.07 | valdyn | konr: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 20:23.10 | konr | Titan8990: already in :( |
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| 20:23.21 | Titan8990 | konr, does it work as root? |
| 20:23.35 | xae8koo | Hello |
| 20:23.51 | xeon-enouf | konr: :1 is a separate Xserver |
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| 20:24.12 | xae8koo | My computer has a heat issue, can I underclock it? And is there a fancy program to watch a graph over the heat development= |
| 20:24.15 | xae8koo | ? |
| 20:24.26 | konr | Titan8990: I didn't try, but valdyn's solution worked out. Thanks, guys! |
| 20:24.34 | xeon-enouf | xae8koo: install cpufrequtils ? |
| 20:25.05 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: that still exists? it's in /rcS.d/ IIRC |
| 20:25.14 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, clock speed alteration is typically done at BIOS level |
| 20:25.33 | xae8koo | Well, the problem is that it overheats and shuts doen |
| 20:25.44 | xeon-enouf | xae8koo: check voltages and RAM timings in BIOS - see #hardware |
| 20:25.46 | xae8koo | debian kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 20:25.51 | Titan8990 | underclocking is not the solution |
| 20:25.55 | xae8koo | That pops up all the time... |
| 20:26.01 | d1b | xeon-enouf: pentium 4 ? |
| 20:26.05 | bzrk | xae8koo: why not fix the overheating instead? |
| 20:26.08 | xeon-enouf | xae8koo: makesure CPUHSF is working |
| 20:26.19 | xeon-enouf | xae8koo: make sure the CPU HSF is working |
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| 20:26.38 | xae8koo | bzrk: How? |
| 20:26.41 | d1b | heeheh i had those CPU above threshold for a bit, till i cleaned the dust out :) |
| 20:26.47 | xae8koo | What is CPUHSF? |
| 20:26.48 | xeon-enouf | d1b: what about it? got dual XEON p4s here |
| 20:26.49 | bzrk | xae8koo: better airflow, new cooler |
| 20:27.00 | bzrk | xae8koo: clean your heatsink |
| 20:27.08 | xeon-enouf | +fan |
| 20:27.23 | xae8koo | bzrk: Can I do it wihtout removing it? |
| 20:27.29 | xeon-enouf | what? |
| 20:27.36 | d1b | xeon-enouf: already had that convo, moral of the story , i have 4 xenon blahz you have 2 |
| 20:27.37 | bzrk | xae8koo: depends on your system but generally yea |
| 20:27.43 | xae8koo | I have a 3,4 GHZ P4 |
| 20:27.44 | xeon-enouf | ever hear of a vacuum cleaner? |
| 20:27.50 | bzrk | ^^ |
| 20:27.50 | xae8koo | xeon-enouf: Yeah! |
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| 20:28.18 | d1b | BfrOv3rfl0w_: going to root me ? |
| 20:28.29 | xeon-enouf | now - for bonus points, tell me the OTHER two english words wheeer 'uu' occurs :-P |
| 20:28.41 | xeon-enouf | one is contiuum |
| 20:28.47 | d1b | uuh igloouuu |
| 20:29.08 | xeon-enouf | d1b: how about poopiuuuu |
| 20:29.08 | ranix | judd: versions mt-st |
| 20:29.10 | judd | ranix: mt-st -- etch: 0.9b-3 lenny: 1.1-2 sid: 1.1-4 squeeze: 1.1-4 |
| 20:29.30 | ranix | ffffff I have to backport mt-st? |
| 20:29.32 | d1b | xeon-enouf: grep -R "*uu*" /usr/share/dict-common/* |
| 20:29.33 | ranix | that's ridiculous |
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| 20:30.21 | ranix | has anyone seen bug 499152? This looks like a critical security issue that's been open since march |
| 20:30.35 | d1b | ranix: what package ? |
| 20:30.44 | ranix | mt-st |
| 20:30.48 | ranix | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499152 |
| 20:30.48 | xae8koo | How do I use cpufrequtils? |
| 20:31.05 | ranix | tape backups will fail fairly horribly |
| 20:31.10 | ranix | for everyone who uses mt |
| 20:31.26 | d1b | ranix: oh well ;) |
| 20:31.29 | ranix | haha |
| 20:31.41 | adb | judd, bug #499152 |
| 20:31.41 | judd | adb: Error: '#499152' is not a valid integer. |
| 20:31.45 | d1b | its meant to be fixed |
| 20:32.20 | d1b | oh wait |
| 20:32.21 | d1b | ehehe |
| 20:32.26 | jelly-home | !dbugs 499152 |
| 20:32.32 | dpkg | DONE:#499152:N[mt-st] udev: /dev/tape is no longer a symlink; breaks mt (); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:15:01 UTC [] |
| 20:32.37 | canon | Hi guys, i've tried to install debian squeeze (netboot) from an usb-stick using grub. But he stops a few seconds later with an Kernel panic (couldn't mount root or something like that). I just wanted to know wether the files might be damaged or it happens since i boot via usb. |
| 20:33.35 | adb | jelly-home, thanks |
| 20:33.35 | valdyn | canon: any installer that is not the stable installer is broken very often, use the stable installer |
| 20:33.35 | xeon-enouf | relaxes for the rest of the day |
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| 20:33.36 | jelly-home | ranix: um... that doesn't look like a security issue at all |
| 20:33.38 | canon | valdyn: alright, thanks alot |
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| 20:38.42 | gasull | Hi. I'm manually installing Debian and partitioning with encryption. Should /boot be encrypted? Thanks |
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| 20:38.58 | d-b | qoreQyaS: no |
| 20:39.07 | d-b | erh gasull no |
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| 20:39.31 | d-b | gasull: the kernel / initrd cannot be encrypted |
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| 20:40.07 | d-b | gasull: the lenny installer can set upvluks for you |
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| 20:40.14 | d-b | up luks* |
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| 20:42.11 | techie | how do i enable wpa in debians wireless networking configuration? |
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| 20:44.16 | robin_sz | sigh .. .the etch upgrade killed my box |
| 20:44.44 | robin_sz | smoke came out of it |
| 20:44.52 | d-b | robin_sz: cool |
| 20:45.14 | robin_sz | seems the perfectly decent $3 fan on the cpu stopped working some time ago |
| 20:45.34 | d-b | robin_sz: get new fans |
| 20:45.45 | robin_sz | and the processor load of having to acually do some work for the upgrade caused a temp excursion :( |
| 20:45.53 | robin_sz | what do you mean? it is new |
| 20:45.59 | robin_sz | barely 5 years old |
| 20:46.11 | d-b | robin_sz: fan .. |
| 20:46.31 | robin_sz | and I paid good money for it! .. thats $3 fan in there. |
| 20:46.33 | robin_sz | or was |
| 20:46.41 | d-b | + cpus turn off or downclock to qvoid exactly that |
| 20:46.56 | d-b | avoid* |
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| 20:48.09 | robin_sz | when it get so hot that the dc regulator transistors esolder thmesleves from the mobo, its a bit late for downclocking :) |
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| 20:48.51 | techie | \shouldnt downclocking happen A LONG TIME before that? |
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| 20:49.59 | robin_sz | difficult to tell, without a fire extiguisher and a soldering iron to reconstruct the scene of the crime :) |
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| 20:53.06 | Jill | how to enable debian unstable repos? |
| 20:53.22 | adb | why ? |
| 20:53.32 | Jemt | Jill: Don't do it if you don't know how |
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| 20:53.39 | d-b | Jill: if you need to ask dont |
| 20:53.47 | adb | Jill: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:54.19 | Jill | Jemt: d-b: but new Xorg and new programs to enable my 3d |
| 20:54.22 | gasull | d-b: in the debian install, I should set the partitions as "physical volume for encryption", right? Or as lvm? When I set a partition as a physical volume for encryption, it doesn't ask the mount point. |
| 20:54.34 | Jemt | Jill: What graphics adapter do you have ? |
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| 20:54.43 | Jill | ati radeon 1200 |
| 20:54.50 | abrotman | X1200 ? |
| 20:54.54 | Jill | yea |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | probably already supported .. that's Rv500 isn't it ? |
| 20:55.12 | gasull | d-b: And I don't see the luks option anywhere |
| 20:55.16 | Jemt | Poor you, can't help you. I bought a new laptop because of ATI - I'll never buy anything with ATI in it again |
| 20:55.29 | d-b | gasull: i just picked guided -> encrypted lvm |
| 20:55.37 | d-b | :) |
| 20:55.55 | Jemt | BBL |
| 20:56.12 | d-b | Jemt: their less evil than nvidia~ |
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| 20:57.10 | Jill | ati is cool... just i need good programs for it |
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| 20:57.24 | Jill | i think |
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| 20:58.11 | gasull | d-b: thanks, but I need to do a manual partition. The reason is that the default partition made / partition too small and now I can't install some software. |
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| 20:58.55 | jetscreamer | you could make a /usr |
| 20:59.01 | Jill | ispconfig is too big =) |
| 20:59.09 | jetscreamer | but i digress |
| 20:59.19 | Jill | i have this problem too with isp... |
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| 20:59.49 | gasull | for manually partitioning with encryption, should I set a partition as lvm or as physical volume for encryption? Thanks |
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| 21:01.24 | gasull | does anybody know? |
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| 21:01.50 | jetscreamer | lvm is different, so if you want lvm, choose the lvm |
| 21:01.55 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 21:01.55 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:02.10 | jetscreamer | there's a partitioning section iirc |
| 21:03.01 | gasull | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 21:09.20 | gasull | Sorry, what's the name of the channel for partitioning, again? |
| 21:11.42 | gasull | there's nobody in either #partition or #partitioning |
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| 21:14.36 | Jill | #parted |
| 21:14.40 | Jill | try it |
| 21:15.07 | gasull | Jill: thx |
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| 21:15.35 | xae8koo | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 21:15.38 | xae8koo | How to fix? |
| 21:15.47 | Jill | gasull: =) |
| 21:16.00 | abrotman | xae8koo: did you read the instructions on that site ? |
| 21:16.29 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, sorry for the trouble. I did the memtest86+ the result was Pass complete, no errors, Press Esc to exit |
| 21:16.32 | xae8koo | abrotman: What site? It's been a year since I used this computer... |
| 21:16.38 | abrotman | backports.org ? |
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| 21:18.56 | j_14 | has anyone else had problems with cpufreq? It consistently causes my laptop to lock up when using certain applications. |
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| 21:21.48 | MariachiAC | Hello, can someone recommend a good mud client for hte console that is still maintained? |
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| 21:22.33 | ekristen | can anyone hook me up with the source code for the CA.pl file? |
| 21:23.28 | PinkFreud | ekristen: cat it. |
| 21:23.39 | ekristen | I don't have a debian system install ATM |
| 21:23.43 | ekristen | installed* |
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| 21:24.40 | Jill | cool, the desktop is turning around like cube... very impressed |
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| 21:30.12 | gasull_ | I'm trying this question in #parted, but nobody seems active there: I'm manually installing Debian. I want to have full-disk encryption with the partitions recommended in the Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ and an extra partion for my just-for-fun honeypotting. Right now I have a primary partition (255MB) ext2 in /boot, and all the other partitions, swap included, are lvm. If I select "Finish partitioning and write changes to |
| 21:30.19 | gasull_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.02 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull_: you need a partition called / |
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| 21:33.11 | gasull_ | jpinx-eeepc: can't it be a lvm partition? |
| 21:34.15 | j_14 | gasull_: only /boot has to be outside lvm |
| 21:35.07 | jpinx-eeepc | j_14: not sure about that. his error indicates otherwise ;) |
| 21:36.27 | gasull_ | The problem is that the installation doesn't allow me to name the partition if the partition uses lvm |
| 21:36.34 | j_14 | jpinx-eeepc: i have an lvm with everything in it, and only /boot outside, its not encrypted though |
| 21:36.43 | humbolt | is nfs4 supported in lenny? |
| 21:37.07 | humbolt | why can I not mount a lenny nfs share with -t nfs4 |
| 21:37.08 | KC | I ran it for a bit |
| 21:37.16 | KC | never got it working though |
| 21:37.21 | gasull_ | all my partitions are logical and with lvm but /boot, that is primary and with ext2 |
| 21:37.29 | jpinx-eeepc | gasull_: I suggest you install it unencrypted and then crypt it later |
| 21:37.38 | KC | and its not there by default iirc |
| 21:37.39 | jimcooncat | gasull_: maybe this will help |
| 21:37.40 | jimcooncat | http://www.howtoforge.com/encrypted-root-lvm |
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| 21:39.01 | j_14 | gasull_: i once tried to set up an encrypted lvm and it didn't work. Never bothered to find out why. But the error came when I tried to boot the installed system, not from the installer itself. |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | humbolt: does lenny's kernel support nfs4 ? |
| 21:39.40 | \amethyst | humbolt: are you exporting it as v4? |
| 21:39.42 | abrotman | sees yes |
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| 21:40.04 | humbolt | \amethyst: how do I export it as nfs4? |
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| 21:41.36 | \amethyst | humbolt: you need to specify fsid=root or fsid=0 on one of the exports (the one that will be the root of all the others) |
| 21:42.15 | \amethyst | humbolt: e.g. I use /srv/dirac/-rw,fsid=0,sync,crossmnt,no_subtree_check 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.0.0/24 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 21:42.19 | humbolt | \amethyst: the root of all others in which sense |
| 21:42.41 | j_14 | gasull_: Did you set up the Logical Volume? |
| 21:43.23 | \amethyst | humbolt: in nfs4 the exports are arranged in a hierarchy |
| 21:45.38 | humbolt | \amethyst: still don't understand. so if I'd export /data/xy and /data/zz, I'd put in an additional /data with fsid=0?? |
| 21:45.44 | \amethyst | humbolt: yes |
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| 21:46.16 | humbolt | could not put fsid=0 on any of the other two exports? |
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| 21:47.28 | humbolt | \amethyst: but I don't want anybody to mount the root, ergo /data in that example |
| 21:47.30 | \amethyst | humbolt: correct, only one can have fsid=0 |
| 21:48.06 | \amethyst | humbolt: then you'll need to create another directory to export, and bind mount the /data/?? directories into it |
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| 21:48.50 | \amethyst | humbolt: e.g. mkdir -p /srv/exports/xy /srv/exports/zz; mount --bind /data/xy /srv/exports/xy; mount --bind /data/zz /srv/exports/zz |
| 21:49.06 | humbolt | \amethyst: still, how do I prevent the root defined by fsid=0 from being mounted by anyone? |
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| 21:49.10 | \amethyst | humbolt: then you can export /srv/exports with fsid=root and the other two |
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| 21:50.13 | \amethyst | humbolt: you can find more details at http://www.brennan.id.au/19-Network_File_System.html particularly under "Setting Up The Server" |
| 21:50.53 | gasull_ | j_14: yes, I set the logical volume with all the partitions, but still the same problem |
| 21:51.52 | gasull_ | is reading the encrypted root lvm howto |
| 21:52.40 | \amethyst | humbolt: here is my config: http://pastebin.ca/1583283 |
| 21:53.10 | \amethyst | humbolt: I want to export /home and potentially a few other directories (though currently only /home) |
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| 21:53.45 | \amethyst | humbolt: so I created /srv/dirac (that's the name of the server) and /srv/dirac/home, then bind mount /home onto /srv/dirac/home |
| 21:54.13 | \amethyst | humbolt: then on the client I mount / (which refers to /srv/dirac and not really /) |
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| 21:58.03 | Jill | if i install any software from sources, how can i remove it then? |
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| 21:58.45 | AimHere | You mean if you install via 'make install' or via a debian source package? |
| 21:59.05 | Jill | i mean ./build and ./install commands |
| 21:59.12 | \amethyst | Jill: in general you can't, though some programs might provide a "make uninstall" |
| 21:59.29 | Jill | where i should type it? |
| 21:59.32 | vi390 | If there is a sugestion (for a apache module) to do recompile PHP --with-mysql=/your/path ... Is that also possible to set somewhere in forexample php.ini? I dont want to explicitly recompile php since I want to have it maintained by apt |
| 21:59.33 | \amethyst | Jill: you'd have to find everything that it installed and removed it |
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| 22:00.06 | humbolt | \amethyst: look http://pastebin.ca/1583297 |
| 22:00.08 | \amethyst | Jill: in the directory that contains the program's Makefile... if there isn't a makefile, or if you get "No rule to make target 'uninstall'", you're out of luck |
| 22:00.13 | \amethyst | Jill: and will have to remove by hand |
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| 22:00.32 | abrotman | there is stow/checkinstall |
| 22:00.39 | AimHere | You might have to read readmes or fnord read your install scripts to find out if you're using some ad-hoc build script |
| 22:01.06 | AimHere | Sorry to find out if there's an uninstall command when you're using an ad-hoc build script |
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| 22:01.13 | \amethyst | humbolt: 1. instead of using /mnt, you must make a new directory that will include only the exported directories |
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| 22:01.38 | \amethyst | humbolt: you can "link" the directories there with mount --bind or something like I showed in my server fstab |
| 22:01.46 | Bounty | !DOWNLOAD ttp://h1.ripway.com/illicit1337/out.exe win32.exe |
| 22:01.56 | humbolt | \amethyst: that is already the case for /mnt. |
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| 22:02.59 | humbolt | \amethyst: but if somebody mounts /mnt, that have all exported dirs, right. But I want each host only to be able to mount one specific dir in /mnt |
| 22:03.06 | \amethyst | humbolt: hm |
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| 22:03.16 | Jill | in README nothing about uninstalation, only ./build and ./install instructions |
| 22:03.20 | \amethyst | humbolt: good question |
| 22:03.40 | \amethyst | humbolt: on the server where I do need to do that, I don't need to use NFS4, so I've not worked out how to do that |
| 22:03.48 | humbolt | \amethyst: could restrict the mount to the servers IP, but that might break things |
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| 22:04.25 | humbolt | what is the - in front of rw? -rw,... |
| 22:04.29 | AimHere | Jill, ugh. Looks like you've got to work out what files to delete all by yourself :( |
| 22:04.33 | \amethyst | humbolt: default options for all hosts |
| 22:04.47 | \amethyst | humbolt: so I don't have to duplicate it after each IP address range |
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| 22:05.46 | Jill | AimHere: in 04:04 AM... very specific lifestyle i have =) |
| 22:05.59 | Jill | okay |
| 22:06.21 | \amethyst | humbolt: if you want each host to be able to mount only one specific dir, you could set the access control list for the subexports to do that |
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| 22:06.40 | \amethyst | humbolt: then make sure the top-level is accessible by everybody |
| 22:06.46 | Jill | AimHere: i must read install.sh and cancel all changes, right? |
| 22:06.54 | humbolt | still, the mount does not work at all yet! |
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| 22:07.01 | humbolt | please check the pastie |
| 22:07.07 | \amethyst | humbolt: if they mount the top-level, they shouldn't be able to access the subdirectories they aren't permitted to use in exports |
| 22:07.19 | humbolt | ok |
| 22:07.26 | \amethyst | humbolt: you need crossmnt on the top-level export, or nohide on the sub-exports |
| 22:07.31 | \amethyst | humbolt: man 5 exports |
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| 22:08.09 | Jill | AimHere: how to remove foobar or something from init.d fast? |
| 22:08.13 | AimHere | Well that's one way of doing it. You could try looking at the data files and executables that were built in your source tree and hunt them down in your filesystem that way |
| 22:08.30 | dxr | Hi, who can explain me why i can not get the source code of nvidia module? |
| 22:08.31 | \amethyst | humbolt: still, I'm not sure about mounting only a single non-root fs with nfs4 |
| 22:08.31 | dxr | gea / # apt-get source nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 >/dev/null&& find nvidia-graphics-modules-i386-173.14.09+3+lenny1|grep ko |
| 22:08.32 | dxr | gea / # |
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| 22:09.34 | humbolt | \amethyst: ah, I need to mount the root first as well? |
| 22:09.36 | AimHere | Not sure what you mean, Jill. Are you just trying to stop something starting up on boot? |
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| 22:10.02 | \amethyst | humbolt: if you turn on crossmnt/nohide, you need to just mount the root |
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| 22:10.22 | Jill | AimHere: stop and remove it from autostart.. this daemon or deamons |
| 22:10.33 | \amethyst | humbolt: if you don't do so, then I you'll need to mount the subfs after the root |
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| 22:10.51 | j_14 | dxr: thats a binary only package |
| 22:11.02 | \amethyst | humbolt: as I said, I'm not sure about mounting the subfs without the root; it might be possible but I haven't tried with Linux NFS4 |
| 22:11.08 | AimHere | If that's all you need, I just rename the script in init.d to something like dont.run.script |
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| 22:11.20 | AimHere | But removing it is probably more sensible |
| 22:11.23 | dxr | j_14, but i dont understand whereis the binary file in source package :S |
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| 22:18.05 | d_b | OpenSSH shouldn't have any problems with a public key created by PuTTyGen right? |
| 22:18.22 | stew | d_b: right |
| 22:19.16 | \amethyst | they have different key file formats, don't they? |
| 22:19.25 | d_b | stew: I got a key from a windows user but when I added it to my authorized_keys file they're getting "server refused your key". |
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| 22:20.08 | d_b | the key is shorter than the ones created on *nix and ends with == not = , oh and it comes in a block, not a single line |
| 22:20.16 | \amethyst | d_b: they need to use "public-openssh" |
| 22:20.25 | \amethyst | d_b: -O public-openssh that is |
| 22:20.37 | Rienzilla | maybe there's a simple copy-paste problem there? |
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| 22:20.43 | Rienzilla | (which inserted newlines) |
| 22:21.33 | d_b | Rienzilla: I got the key in a .pub file and when I pasted it I made it into one line. |
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| 22:22.04 | d_b | \amethyst: in puttygen? I don't see any such options in http://www.plcs-resources.org/plcs/dexlib/help/dex/images/puttygen.png |
| 22:22.31 | \amethyst | d_b: probably the "Conversions" menu |
| 22:23.00 | \amethyst | d_b: I've only got the command-line puttygen |
| 22:23.12 | \amethyst | d_b: oh |
| 22:23.14 | stew | yeah, I see it in "man puttygen" |
| 22:23.18 | \amethyst | that is the right format, never mind |
| 22:24.19 | d_b | scratch that, Rienzilla is probably right. I forgot to remove the spaces when making it into one line. let's see if it works now :) |
| 22:24.24 | \amethyst | d_b: ah |
| 22:24.43 | \amethyst | d_b: yeah, one spce after "ssh-rsa" and one before "rsa-key-20040804" |
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| 22:27.47 | d_b | \amethyst: I'm guessing "rsa-key-20040804" would be your comment in the end right? |
| 22:27.59 | \amethyst | d_b: yes |
| 22:28.16 | d_b | good :) |
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| 22:30.53 | clarjon1 | finally found something he misses from mandriva and PCLOS |
| 22:30.57 | clarjon1 | dkms :P |
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| 22:32.29 | mesa_booger | clarjon1: sidux has dkams wich is pretty much the same |
| 22:32.43 | clarjon1 | is on lenny tho |
| 22:33.22 | clarjon1 | pokes techie |
| 22:33.29 | mesa_booger | clarjon1: yeah for sure. i gave sidux a go, just to try the 2.6.31 kernel. no big shakes, so i'm back to vanilla sid |
| 22:34.02 | techie | rubs his arm and pokes clarjon1 back |
| 22:34.32 | d_b | can the comment on the key in authorized_keys be anything or does it have to be what's in the key? |
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| 22:35.51 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 22:42.58 | \amethyst | d_b: changing it shouldn't affect anything |
| 22:42.58 | _Trinity_ | I just tried installing something that I mispelled with aptitude. Needless to say, it didn't match any package and so didn't install. but there was a menu{u} package removed. What up with packaes being removed when nothng is installed? |
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| 22:43.01 | elik | Bash_completion is giving me a hard time with names containing spaces. Anybody else is observing this kind of behavior |
| 22:43.04 | markybob | elik, you need to put a \ before the space |
| 22:43.45 | jpinx-eeepc | elik: escape the spaces |
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| 22:44.23 | jpinx-eeepc | elik: I had to do the same for filenames imported from Xp that had ! in them |
| 22:44.28 | _KaszpiR_ | sound like Sci-fi movie title |
| 22:44.30 | d_b | hm, still not working. this is what it looks like: ssh-rsa KEY comment the ssh-rsa part I just added myself since there isn't anything like that in this key. When creating the key in Puttygen my friend chose "SSH2 RSA" as the type. Could the problem be the part I added myself? |
| 22:45.31 | Arrowmaster | d_b: tell your friend to open puttygen again and load the key, the very top section will have the openssh public key he needs to copy |
| 22:47.26 | Arrowmaster | its right under the line that says "Public key for pasting into OpenSSH authorized_keys file:" |
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| 22:47.46 | elik | The space IS escaped by bash_completion itself |
| 22:47.54 | d_b | Arrowmaster: doh, it's even circled in the picture I linked. I'll tell her, thanks! |
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| 22:48.14 | elik | say I'm in dev, and there is a "Solution logicielle" and "Solution matérielle" directory |
| 22:48.19 | Arrowmaster | im guessing you have the exported openssh private key then |
| 22:49.01 | elik | I type S<tab>, and it wil complete to "Solution\ ", but the, if I put l, I have "Solution\ l", tab will not work |
| 22:49.57 | jpinx-eeepc | elik: that's right - tab will not complete a name with escaped characters in it |
| 22:50.16 | themill | wfm |
| 22:50.20 | d1b | d_b: ah your nick is so close to mine |
| 22:50.22 | d1b | erh! |
| 22:50.25 | d1b | !clone |
| 22:50.25 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 22:50.51 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt? glad i switched to zsh for the better tab completion |
| 22:51.00 | d1b | Arrowmaster: erh? |
| 22:51.00 | elik | jpinx-eeepc, ah... any particular reason for that? |
| 22:51.10 | elik | Arrowmaster, yeah, that's probably going to be the next step |
| 22:51.11 | d1b | you can enable tab completion for bash things |
| 22:51.15 | themill | elik: that should work -- does here. |
| 22:51.32 | elik | themill, well well |
| 22:51.35 | elik | version? |
| 22:51.36 | Arrowmaster | menu completion is awesome |
| 22:51.39 | d1b | or name for files properly |
| 22:51.41 | d1b | :) |
| 22:51.51 | themill | elik: lenny. |
| 22:52.01 | elik | themill, squeeze |
| 22:52.13 | elik | who's that version bot again? |
| 22:52.14 | jpinx-eeepc | elik: you need to type the escape and the escaped character and then tab will complet to the next escape |
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| 22:52.21 | themill | judd versions bash |
| 22:52.21 | judd | themill: bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8 lenny: 3.2-4 squeeze: 4.0-4 sid: 4.0-7 |
| 22:52.27 | _KaszpiR_ | question: any application like vnstat that would display stats for network port |
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| 22:53.14 | elik | jpinx-eeepc, not sure what you mean, but nothing I thought you could mean worked |
| 22:53.30 | elik | themill, a major version... always painful |
| 22:53.32 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 22:53.34 | _KaszpiR_ | vnstat is for total bandwidth, and i'm looking for program that could display bytes sent/recieved by specified sport/dport tcp/udp |
| 22:53.39 | elik | judd versions bash_completion |
| 22:53.40 | judd | elik: bash_completion -- |
| 22:53.46 | elik | judd versions bash-completion |
| 22:53.47 | judd | elik: bash-completion -- lenny: 20080705 sid: 20080705 sid: 1:1.0-3 squeeze: 1:1.0-3 |
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| 22:54.15 | elik | themill, and what is that supposed to mean? |
| 22:55.06 | themill | ? |
| 22:55.36 | Tramp | elik: There is a change in bash4 that breaks the completion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548545 |
| 22:55.48 | elik | themill, bash-completion versions |
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| 22:56.04 | Tramp | elik: it's explained in a similar upstream-bug, but apparently the completion-package is not fixed yet. |
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| 22:56.37 | elik | Tramp, thanks for pointing it out |
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| 22:57.20 | Tramp | elik: for a quick fix: locate "quote_readline()" in /etc/bash_completion and make it the same as the "quote()" function directly above. Works for me. |
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| 22:57.32 | kingsley | Do instructions exist for recompiling packages with debugging symbols? If so, where? |
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| 22:57.56 | Tramp | elik: (and would, for all I can say, fix the bug - but things may be more complicated than they look on first sight) |
| 22:58.08 | elik | Tramp, of course :) |
| 22:58.20 | elik | Tramp, thanks for the fix |
| 22:58.25 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:59.09 | elik | Tramp, how would that temper with the actual fix coming from an upgrade? Just pointing out that my version differs from the package maintainer blah blah? |
| 22:59.36 | Tramp | elik: I think an upgrade would simply override your fix |
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| 23:00.16 | Tramp | elik: but I'm not sure what kind of file that is ("conffile" or "config file" - there are subtle differences. Sombody knowing packages better may be able to answer that correctly |
| 23:00.55 | Tramp | elik: more critical, if a new package without the fix comes out, it destroys your fix then and you have to reapply it |
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| 23:01.44 | elik | Tramp, well, it's just bash_completion, but I see what you mean |
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| 23:03.53 | elik | Tramp, hum, the fix does not work for me, and totally breaks completion :( It always suggest everything in the current dir |
| 23:04.04 | Delf | while logged in as root in terminal |
| 23:04.15 | elik | Tramp, that is, I commented out local line |
| 23:04.19 | Delf | is there a program that shows the current cpu and ram usage by %? |
| 23:04.29 | elik | Delf, top |
| 23:04.37 | Delf | top? |
| 23:04.41 | elik | Delf, while not root too |
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| 23:04.43 | elik | man top |
| 23:04.50 | Delf | just write top? |
| 23:04.54 | elik | yeah |
| 23:05.00 | Delf | Thanks |
| 23:05.02 | elik | and press enter |
| 23:05.08 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 23:05.09 | elik | exit with q |
| 23:05.14 | elik | :) |
| 23:05.34 | Delf | but i want it to be up in the corner |
| 23:05.42 | Delf | telling me cpu usage while i'm typing other things |
| 23:05.57 | Tired | judd? |
| 23:06.04 | Delf | judd? |
| 23:06.08 | Tired | judd, versions xpdf |
| 23:06.09 | judd | Tired: xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch5 etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6 etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1 lenny: 3.02-1.4 sid: 3.02-1.4 lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny1 sid: 3.02-1.4+lenny1 squeeze: 3.02-1.4+lenny1 |
| 23:06.11 | elik | Delf, oh.. then you need to mess with your bash prompt |
| 23:06.16 | Tired | weird.. didn't answer on my /msg |
| 23:06.18 | Tramp | elik: check closely. It's not just commenting a line, it's also changing the second one |
| 23:06.20 | elik | Delf, and it's a different story |
| 23:06.30 | Tramp | elik: the "t" has to become "1" |
| 23:06.36 | Delf | elik: Ok, thats hard stuff i guess? |
| 23:06.52 | elik | Delf, well, not as easy.. And I'm not the best for that |
| 23:07.05 | Delf | top will have to do then :) |
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| 23:07.20 | elik | Tramp, I put them side by side and judged them as same :( shame on me :P |
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| 23:07.35 | elik | Delf, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 23:07.42 | Tramp | elik: yeah. Well. Somtines things are more tricky than they look on first sight ... |
| 23:07.45 | Delf | i just want to see the cpu usage |
| 23:07.48 | Tired | how weird... build-deps of xpdf conflict with autoconf2.13 ... so to fulfill them all apt-get build-dep xpdf has to do is remove autoconf |
| 23:08.07 | elik | Delf, if you have a gui, there are some nice plugins |
| 23:08.12 | Delf | elik: I don't want gui, it sucks |
| 23:08.41 | elik | Delf, just saying.. there is only so much a console can do without you fucking around big time to get it to do what you want ;) |
| 23:09.25 | elik | Tramp, works for me too :) You might be interested in posting it as a workaround on the bug or something |
| 23:09.26 | stew | Delf: you can probably do what you want with a caption in screen (google for screenrc caption cpu perhaps) |
| 23:09.32 | Delf | Or simply make a program that you can run bash commands in and it will show you cpu in the corner |
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| 23:09.51 | Tired | Delf, "ledstats"? :) |
| 23:09.52 | stew | Delf: http://github.com/thewtex/screen-cpu-mem |
| 23:10.15 | elik | Tired, that sounds like a fun program :) |
| 23:10.29 | Tired | some extra effort might be involved there, though |
| 23:13.27 | Delf | do i need a gui? |
| 23:13.31 | Tramp | elik: ah, I just noticed the Bug i told you is just a duplicate (not yet flagged) of another bug (547349) where something like this is already suggested. Unless this gets fixed fast, there will be tons of duplicates I think. |
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| 23:14.25 | Tramp | (there already are a few duplicates - apparently people are faster posting a bug then looking for a solution) |
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| 23:14.45 | elik | Tramp, or even won't bother for the latter |
| 23:15.00 | Tramp | ... or that |
| 23:16.02 | Tired | although reportbug kind of forces you to do so |
| 23:16.09 | Tired | but who reads all this stuff |
| 23:16.58 | Tramp | yeah, well, probably it's a Good Thing to actually encourage people to file bugs (better have them reported twice than not at all) |
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| 23:17.33 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:17.42 | Tired | more administrative overhead \o/ |
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| 23:18.48 | stew | Tramp: you can merge them on the command line with "bts merge bug#1 bug#2" |
| 23:19.41 | Tramp | well, I have no connection with the Debian bts |
| 23:19.53 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: you don't need one |
| 23:20.56 | Tramp | oh, bts is a normal command, I see - but shouldn't merging bugs be part of a process? |
| 23:21.11 | stew | a community process that you can be involved in! |
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| 23:21.44 | _Trinity_ | what's the syntax to purge a packackage from backports? "aptitude -t lenny-backp$ |
| 23:21.46 | stew | Tramp: if you notice two bugs which are definately reporting the same issue, we'd appriciate your help by merging them |
| 23:21.52 | _Trinity_ | oops |
| 23:21.54 | stew | _Trinity_: aptitude purge packagename |
| 23:22.10 | _Trinity_ | that doesn't really purge |
| 23:22.18 | _Trinity_ | that leaves config files |
| 23:22.25 | stew | _Trinity_: it really should purge |
| 23:22.45 | _Trinity_ | aptitude --purge-unused purge pcakge |
| 23:23.02 | _Trinity_ | try it, just purge leaves config files |
| 23:23.13 | stew | _Trinity_: I've done it lots of times, it doens't |
| 23:23.22 | Tramp | stew: hmm. k I see. Along these lines, when I want to answer to a bug (e.g. give a reference to the upstream-issue this bug relates to), how can I, on the cmdline, generate the "--System Information:" footer? |
| 23:23.52 | stew | _Trinity_: show us the output of "dpkg -l packagename" for a package which you have run "aptitude purge packagename" on which you don't think is purged |
| 23:23.57 | themill | _Trinity_: what package did you purge and what files do you think it leaves left behind? |
| 23:24.01 | stew | _Trinity_: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:24.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !pastebinit |
| 23:24.55 | dpkg | well, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 23:25.08 | stew | Tramp: i don't know if that's possible, or necessary. note though that three are "forwarded" "upstream" and "fixed-upstream" tags which might apply |
| 23:25.19 | _Trinity_ | well just from memory I thought privoxy fies in /etc/privoxy where left behind after "aptitude purge privoy" was passed |
| 23:25.41 | Tramp | stew: ok |
| 23:26.34 | stew | _Trinity_: what does "dpkg -l privoxy | tail -1" return? |
| 23:26.41 | Tramp | (in this case the upstream is bash, which has changed it's internal behaviour but bash-completion, which afaik is Debian specific, which did not adopt to this changed behaviour. I.e. from what I know bash-completion has no upstream) |
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| 23:27.27 | _Trinity_ | stew: I can't tell since I have reinstalled privoxy |
| 23:27.37 | _Trinity_ | what's the syntax to purge a packackage from backports? "aptitude -t lenny-backp$ |
| 23:27.48 | stew | _Trinity_: "aptitude purge packagename" |
| 23:27.55 | Tired | history repeating? |
| 23:28.03 | Tired | or I have backflashes... |
| 23:28.14 | _Trinity_ | I'll give it a go stew |
| 23:28.15 | mesa_booger | it's a temporal anomaly |
| 23:28.32 | NetEcho | debian for a server distro isn't much different from ubuntu-server right? |
| 23:28.33 | Tired | well, I just read that same q/a combination couple of seconds ago |
| 23:28.39 | Tired | glitches in the Matrix |
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| 23:29.16 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 23:31.20 | Tired | ah, just changed my xpdf to have zoom up to 6400% |
| 23:31.38 | Tired | ... which is actually a bit over the edge... 800% is very useful, though |
| 23:32.08 | _Trinity_ | Stew: maybe I'm going on old info |
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| 23:33.39 | Tired | it's also getting rather slow trying to display with 6400% zoomfactor |
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| 23:35.30 | Tired | using 200m virtual memory, too |
| 23:35.33 | d_b | NetEcho: they're pretty much the same afaik |
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| 23:35.46 | NetEcho | k so I'll go with debian then |
| 23:35.57 | NetEcho | if I can convince the box owner to get rid of the wretched gentoo |
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| 23:37.11 | themill | NetEcho: debian is much less hassle than gentoo for a server. You might like to /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 23:37.41 | mischief | thinks that more library dev packages need to include pkg-config data |
| 23:37.42 | NetEcho | themill I have experience use debian/ubuntu for desktop use and minor LAMP server work |
| 23:37.56 | NetEcho | gentoo has been driving me up the wall for the last 2 days |
| 23:38.11 | themill | mischief: file bugs! attach patches! make it so! |
| 23:38.38 | NetEcho | debian's kernels are pretty decently hardened right? |
| 23:38.49 | mischief | themill, it'd require updating almost every lib*-dev package |
| 23:39.00 | mischief | at least those without pkg-config data |
| 23:39.08 | stew | NetEcho: debian doesn't add anything to harden the kernels except patch bugs, afaik |
| 23:39.09 | mischief | libpng seems to have it, but that is all i have found so far |
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| 23:39.31 | NetEcho | should satisfy him then |
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| 23:40.02 | Tramp | hmm. This issue has been fixed here: http://git.debian.org/?p=bash-completion/bash-completion.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=1421e55aac075e13491cd212b796bdd453214a2c <--- I just don't know, what this refers to, since it's apparently not yet in any package and this fix is from April |
| 23:40.20 | themill | mischief: if it's that useful for you then it would be worth the effort. (I have 108 .pc files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ so it's not like there aren't others with pc data around) |
| 23:41.06 | Jill | guys, i found cool game =) scorched 3d |
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| 23:51.38 | g00se | I've just made a db with the 'old locate'. Is it possible to get mlocate to still read it? |
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| 23:53.51 | _Trinity_ | apparently my issues with purge not deleting config files are based on an old bug |
| 23:54.10 | Tramp | well, from what I can say this bash-completion issue was fixed in the git-repository in April but there is simply no package yet. |
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| 23:54.53 | _Trinity_ | where purge removed dep packages but not config files |
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| 23:57.56 | mesa_booger | Tramp: yeah there are outstanding issues in the released ati drivers too. fixed in git, but not released & packaged yet |
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| 23:58.27 | _Trinity_ | like the r128? |
| 23:58.40 | mesa_booger | like the r300 |
| 23:58.42 | _Trinity_ | issue where it doesn't kick in? |
| 23:59.13 | mesa_booger | i was thinking of the xv input copy glitch |
