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| 00:12.54 | _Trinity_ | anyone still using wajig? |
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| 00:15.05 | Haraken | is it still possible to install etch or lenny the only thing supported now? |
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| 00:20.51 | mosno | Haraken: i'm not exactly sure, but why do you need Etch? |
| 00:21.35 | Haraken | customer of mine is requesting it, I would prefer to do lenny myself |
| 00:21.59 | Haraken | I'm installing etch via a cd I have, guess I'll find out if it works :) |
| 00:22.13 | Haraken | i only have netinstall cds, which is why I wasn't sure if it would work. |
| 00:22.49 | mosno | Haraken: the debian website will have info on support lifetimes |
| 00:22.56 | mosno | Haraken: i have a feeling etch is a bad idea |
| 00:22.58 | Haraken | thanks |
| 00:24.08 | Haraken | ah still good til 2010 |
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| 00:25.26 | Franck | hello |
| 00:25.56 | Franck | does anyone heard about a bug in xorg (?) since 2 hours, more or less ? |
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| 00:27.30 | Franck | i have this strange backtrace on my Xorg.log, when X doesn't want to start |
| 00:27.41 | Franck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.11 | Tired | Haraken, hm, havent tried that... but I guess you get the option to edit the mirror your use for the netinst - just make sure you have "etch" or "oldstable" instead of "lenny" or "stable" and you should be good |
| 00:41.43 | Tired | it *must* be possible to edit the deb mirror line |
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| 00:44.54 | acu | I have no sound in youtube - I use squeeze on a AMD64 any hint how to fix it ? |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | are you using adobe flash? which version? |
| 00:48.15 | acu | flashplugin-nonfree1:2.8 but I did not have sound even before installing non-free one (I thought it will be fixed) |
| 00:50.06 | acu | I used to know how to fix it - but I forgot - and did not write it down - so here I am at your merci :) |
| 00:50.45 | acu | now I am incessantly installing all flash players - hopefully it will fix it :) |
| 00:51.17 | abrotman | do you have the alsa-oss modules loaded ? |
| 00:51.34 | acu | no - perhaps I should |
| 00:51.42 | acu | should I ? |
| 00:52.11 | acu | press Y for Yes or N for no |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:54.57 | acu | abrotman: thats new digital 0 1 and ? |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | quantum? |
| 00:56.09 | acu | that word scares me - to esoteric :) |
| 00:56.23 | acu | quantum biology |
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| 00:57.20 | a-slack | Franck: I'm having troubles with latest update in debian unstable and Xorg, for the moment come back to previous version of xserver-xorg-core and xserver-common (1.6.3.901) |
| 00:58.12 | acu | thanks - I will be right back - |
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| 01:00.24 | MariachiAC | hello eveyrone. I have debian sid instlaled and my mic won't work. Alsa is configured, but when in linphone my mic won't work with an echo sip call. When I unmute the mic with gnome-alsamixer I can hear it, but it does not reflect when the mic is set to be used as recording. |
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| 01:00.52 | MariachiAC | So I can't hear myself when doing an echo test call with my sip provider. |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | does a basic sound recorder work ? |
| 01:02.43 | lolufail | I found the error, it's in fact the dmcrypt |
| 01:02.59 | lolufail | aparrently, dmcrypt does not support harddrives over ~15tb |
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| 01:03.18 | lolufail | any alternatives? |
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| 01:03.37 | d_b | MariachiAC: do you use Gnome? open volume control -> file -> change device, and make sure the volume is 100% |
| 01:04.38 | MariachiAC | the volume is 100 percnet. Yes, I use gnome, and the mic is unmuted. The basic soudn recorder does not work from what I can tell. I set it to record from mic. |
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| 01:05.35 | lindenle1 | What is a nice application to test my webcam out with? |
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| 01:06.01 | d_b | lindenle1: I think there is one called Cheese. |
| 01:06.26 | lindenle1 | ok looking |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | it's a gnome app, but yes |
| 01:07.32 | d_b | MariachiAC: I had problems with my mic the other day, what I did was to open Audacity and start recording, that way it's easy to see when it starts working as you're messing around with settings. Just make sure to select the correct device in Audacity |
| 01:07.43 | lindenle1 | ok so the camera is working fine.. but not with skype... |
| 01:10.27 | mesa_booger | lindenle: try ekiga maybe. get a sip account |
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| 01:10.44 | MariachiAC | d_b: I can't use audacity. I am blind and use orca and speakup to read the screen. If there is a console app that will be better. |
| 01:12.40 | brutus | MySQL fails to start from /etc/init.d...help! |
| 01:13.33 | mesa_booger | brutus: i think you have to set a root password for mysql iirc |
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| 01:14.07 | ksnp | why is the firewall disabled on debian by default ? |
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| 01:14.32 | abrotman | ksnp: disabled? you mean it has no rules |
| 01:14.46 | badiane | lolufail: thanks for the info about dmcrypt's failure. How did you find that out? |
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| 01:16.46 | ksnp | abrotman, yes |
| 01:17.14 | ksnp | abrotman, all incoming traffic works fine without changing anything (on lenny) |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | ksnp: well, how many services did you have listening by default? |
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| 01:18.22 | ksnp | there were 2-4 basically, and these incoming was working wtihout any firewall change |
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| 01:18.50 | ksnp | is it by default disabled on lenny - with the installation i mean ? |
| 01:19.00 | objorn | do i need nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx or nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686 ? |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | ksnp: which were listening by default? |
| 01:19.33 | ksnp | abrotman, oh you mean which services were running and listening ? |
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| 01:19.58 | ksnp | abrotman, i dont remember but exim pehraps was already listening, definitely was after i installed it |
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| 01:20.44 | carlitos___ | hi all |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | not unless you told it to |
| 01:20.52 | carlitos___ | anyone from japan |
| 01:21.00 | Lars_G | is there any way to step by step dist-upgrade a live production system from sarge to lenny? |
| 01:21.08 | d_b | MariachiAC: sorry, don't know of any, guess the echo thing does the same thing in the end, only slightly slower. |
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| 01:21.33 | ksnp | abrotman, ok, i guess the exim installation migth have opened that port, not otherwise ? |
| 01:21.49 | ksnp | abrotman, is the default firewall basically via iptables in lenny ? |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | ksnp: not by default .. anyways .. the firewall isn't running because services aren't listening externally unless you install and/or tell them to |
| 01:23.07 | objorn | after installing nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686, and nvidia-xconfig, do i run nvidia-xconfig immediately, or do i reboot first? |
| 01:23.25 | catsup | heh |
| 01:23.29 | catsup | never reboot |
| 01:23.56 | jpinx-eeepc | windows solution :p |
| 01:23.59 | catsup | well i guess if you installed an entirely new kernel you have to reboot |
| 01:24.01 | objorn | you have to if you are fooling with the kernel catsup |
| 01:24.06 | objorn | :) |
| 01:24.13 | ksnp | abrotman, just a bit on terminology, when a service is listening - do you mean the port is open already ? can the service be listening but still firewall can block the port ? |
| 01:24.17 | catsup | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-2-686 <-- is that a kernel or modules? |
| 01:24.29 | objorn | catsup: modules |
| 01:24.34 | catsup | then you don't need to reboot |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | ksnp: listening to something other than the localhost interface |
| 01:24.41 | objorn | and nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 01:24.51 | objorn | so just restart X, aye? |
| 01:24.55 | catsup | yeah |
| 01:25.13 | Lars_G | oh man |
| 01:25.22 | Lars_G | this update is going to be PAINFUL |
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| 01:28.08 | corpcomp | I have a minimum install off lenny, how do I unpack a bz2 file? I have tried tar jxvf |
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| 01:28.35 | objorn | catsup: thank you, that worked like a charm, however, those things work |
| 01:29.01 | beardy | corpcomp: First things first, which is eXtract. So, 'tar xvjf foo.tar.bz2' |
| 01:29.03 | catsup | huh? |
| 01:29.07 | catsup | oh |
| 01:29.16 | catsup | the comma was, unintentional |
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| 01:30.02 | Lars_G | bends over and weeps |
| 01:31.23 | [1]ksnp | abrotman, i guess the firewall can still block a port even if the service is listening ? |
| 01:31.27 | corpcomp | I see the problem now, I get a bzip2 no such file error. |
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| 01:31.42 | abrotman | [1]ksnp: you can have iptables block whatever you want |
| 01:32.05 | [1]ksnp | abrotman, so the services are still listenging but can have iptables block it ? |
| 01:32.16 | [1]ksnp | or does iptables blocking implies the services don't listen anymore ? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | services/daemons .. sure |
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| 01:32.30 | [1]ksnp | ok |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | so you can have the sshd listening, but block port 22 if you want |
| 01:32.40 | [1]ksnp | ok |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | or just block 22 from certain IPs |
| 01:33.20 | beardy | corpcomp: Then install bzip2. |
| 01:33.24 | [1]ksnp | ok, i want to use scponly but not allow access to any users |
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| 01:33.57 | ksnp | abrotman, have you used scponly ? basically is allows secure file transfer without providing a shell or something liek that |
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| 01:35.08 | abrotman | ksnp: okay .. and ? |
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| 01:35.28 | ksnp | i am trying to figure out how to set it up / means |
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| 01:35.45 | d_b | ksnp: I do the same with regular openssh. Check out ChrootDirectory, I only allow sftp. |
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| 01:37.32 | d_b | ksnp: But everything needs to be in the same folder afaik. You can't share /home/sftp/dogs and /home/sftp/cats for example, you need to share /home/sftp , otherwise you need to create a different user for the other one. But like I said, afaik :) |
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| 01:39.39 | fbc-mx | Could someone tell me how to make my command line appears root@server when I login through ssh? |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | fbc-mx: which distro are you sshing to ? |
| 01:40.25 | catsup | fbc-mx: PS1='\u@\h ' |
| 01:41.10 | fbc-mx | catsup, how do I make that permanent.. I tried llooking in the login.defs file but couldn't locate where that is set. |
| 01:41.18 | beardy | fbc-mx: If the shell is bash, what catsup said. To make it permanent, ~/.bashrc |
| 01:41.19 | fbc-mx | abrotman, debian 5 |
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| 01:41.35 | abrotman | fbc-mx: should already do that |
| 01:41.37 | fbc-mx | beardy, yeah bash |
| 01:41.39 | rigel | hi |
| 01:41.43 | rigel | so im wondering |
| 01:41.51 | rigel | what is the state of pdf support in debian |
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| 01:42.06 | rigel | because it is really atrocious in ubuntu |
| 01:42.07 | beardy | fbc-mx: What is it saying then? |
| 01:42.11 | roe | what do you mean "pdf" support |
| 01:42.23 | rigel | but i tend to doubt that debian has it any better and whetherr i should just move to fedora |
| 01:42.27 | beardy | fbc-mx: (Allowing ssh in as root isn't the best idea for most people either.) |
| 01:42.34 | catsup | rigel: it's nto a distribution issue |
| 01:42.36 | rigel | well, pdf printing is ridiculous crap |
| 01:42.43 | roe | why? |
| 01:42.45 | beardy | rigel: What? |
| 01:42.47 | rigel | printing in general is crap |
| 01:42.51 | beardy | Yes. |
| 01:42.55 | roe | rigel, is that printing to PDFs or printing pdfs? |
| 01:42.55 | rigel | but the pdf annotating etc stuff is crap too |
| 01:43.01 | rigel | printing pdfs |
| 01:43.03 | catsup | evince, xpdf, acroread, ... |
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| 01:43.07 | abrotman | annotating? the "sticky notes" ? |
| 01:43.13 | MariachiAC | Ok.. i got the mic issue fixed. now I've got another issue. When using tab completion and the directories have \ they don'tcomplete. Is there a way to fix this. |
| 01:43.14 | beardy | Why do you think it differs among distros? Just fix it, you wont find more packages anywhere else. |
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| 01:43.29 | rigel | i started using open source so that i wouldnt have to use crap proprietary software |
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| 01:43.42 | rigel | not just to use the same crap that i would have to on windows |
| 01:43.43 | catsup | well get used to using crap free software :p |
| 01:43.50 | gumbox | i've put the sid repos on sources.list.. but i use squeeze.. should i put the security.debian.org/ sid/updates as well? |
| 01:43.52 | rigel | and acroread is just read |
| 01:43.54 | catsup | rigel: have you tried evince? |
| 01:44.00 | rigel | not write/edit |
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| 01:44.09 | ksnp | d_b, just saw your comments, is sftp secure by default ? because the page says is not realy using ssh by default |
| 01:44.10 | rigel | catsup: are you being sarcastic? |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | gumbox: a) don't do that b) no such thing |
| 01:44.13 | catsup | no |
| 01:44.22 | catsup | rigel: you seem to want to use the same crap formats you use in windows |
| 01:44.23 | rigel | evince and cups are the bane of my existence |
| 01:44.29 | catsup | ic |
| 01:44.32 | gumbox | abrotman: but i set priority -1 in apt.. i only use it when the package i want is not on squeeze |
| 01:44.34 | catsup | yeah cups is pretty bad |
| 01:44.37 | rigel | well, i have to use the formats for files that are given to me, innit |
| 01:44.40 | roe | I think cups is great |
| 01:44.53 | catsup | maybe rigel |
| 01:45.10 | d_b | ksnp: yes it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol |
| 01:45.17 | catsup | or maybe you can tell the people giving you pdfs to fuck off |
| 01:45.22 | rigel | its not like i can just change an entire campus and the formats it uses just on my say so |
| 01:45.23 | gumbox | abrotman: does that mess up the system? |
| 01:45.24 | nevyn | catsup: HEY! |
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| 01:45.41 | rigel | yeah, i could do that, but then i would fail out of a very expensive school |
| 01:45.46 | catsup | :/ |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | gumbox: if you're using pinning it will be better .. but mixing is generally a bad idea |
| 01:45.49 | rigel | and for no reason |
| 01:45.52 | beardy | But why would printing pdf:s with cups be hard to accomplish? |
| 01:46.08 | rigel | beardy: i dont know. rendering the pdfs is molasses slow |
| 01:46.18 | catsup | oh that's an odd complaint |
| 01:46.19 | rigel | i can run a virtualbox session with acrobat and print faster |
| 01:46.27 | rigel | at least when cups is configuerd correctly |
| 01:46.30 | fbc-mx | beardy, right now it's not an issue, as it's just a test server.. but my terminal package doesn't put the server name in the windo unless it's in that format. Then I endup wasting time opening up new terminal windows |
| 01:46.40 | rigel | its not right now because i was a dumbass and tried to install fresh |
| 01:46.40 | markybob | uh, it's easy. you install cups-pdf. the end |
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| 01:46.46 | beardy | rigel: Then they are probably crap pdf:s, one big image? |
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| 01:46.58 | catsup | one big image should take zero time to render |
| 01:47.11 | ranix | what |
| 01:47.21 | ranix | fsv big |
| 01:47.21 | beardy | fbc-mx: Fix your terminal emulator, or again ~.bashrc, it has things to control the naming of xterm(like) windows. |
| 01:47.26 | catsup | one billion small images, otoh... |
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| 01:47.27 | rigel | i think theres actually a bug in the pipeline somewhere because the ubuntu bugtracker has people saying the same thing |
| 01:47.32 | rigel | but thats neither here nor there |
| 01:47.46 | rigel | like, libpoppler or something |
| 01:48.01 | rigel | ive always used debian-based distros |
| 01:48.02 | catsup | well anyway rigel it's really not a distribution issue |
| 01:48.08 | rigel | so im reluctant to switch |
| 01:48.39 | rigel | but if fedora can have my crap configuerd with less pain i will, and i kind of want to work on something a little more heterogeneous |
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| 01:48.44 | catsup | you understand it's the mostly same software in different distros? |
| 01:49.01 | markybob | rigel, please go use fedora, then. |
| 01:49.04 | rigel | i installed centos but it doesnt have enough multimedia support and i dont have the time to devote to learning how to enable that |
| 01:49.08 | gumbox | abrotman: it's almost like pinning.. except i use only squeeze and sid, and /etc/apt/preferences has sid with -1 priority for all packages and i use it with 'apt-get -t unstable ...' only when the package is not on squeeze |
| 01:49.17 | rigel | catsup: i do. |
| 01:49.36 | beardy | So why are you here? |
| 01:49.42 | rigel | markybob: i dont KNOW if fedora will do the job i want it to do |
| 01:50.00 | catsup | rigel: why don't you check what version of evince fedora has, and install it on debian |
| 01:50.03 | rigel | beardy: i was wondering if debian was any different from ubuntu these days |
| 01:50.05 | catsup | then you'll know whether you should switch |
| 01:50.26 | beardy | rigel: Always has been and always will, though it's the other way around. |
| 01:50.28 | rigel | because my impression was that ubuntu was just a layer on top of debian, because the debian release schedule is ridiculous slow |
| 01:50.37 | beardy | rigel: No. |
| 01:50.52 | markybob | rigel, you should move to fedora |
| 01:50.52 | d_b | ksnp: I'm off now but check out ChrootDirectory and "subsystem sftp internal-sftp". This is an all openssh solution. Good luck! |
| 01:50.57 | catsup | haha |
| 01:51.12 | markybob | just please stop the crying and whining. |
| 01:51.28 | rigel | markybob: please give reasons for your suggestions |
| 01:51.29 | beardy | Indeed, don't like it, door. |
| 01:51.52 | beardy | rigel: No, if you don't want to make an effort, run what you prefer and stop aggrevating. |
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| 01:51.53 | catsup | rigel: it's not a 'layer on top' at all |
| 01:52.00 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 01:52.00 | dpkg | hello |
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| 01:52.51 | fbc-mx | beardy, I think I got it to the format I was looking for \u@\h:\w$ |
| 01:53.02 | catsup | fbc-mx: try \$ |
| 01:53.07 | rigel | look, i came here to try and figure out what exactly is going to fit my needs. perhaps to you that's "crying and whining" - i will be the first to admit that despite my experience i am still sort of noobish, and that i really dont know what i want specifically |
| 01:53.11 | catsup | fbc-mx: that will change from $ to # depending on whether you have root |
| 01:53.14 | rigel | thats what i came here asking for help with |
| 01:53.17 | ksnp | d_b, ok, thanks |
| 01:53.25 | Lars_G | \q |
| 01:54.21 | Spec | Is Debian's version of bind compiled with dnssec support? |
| 01:54.36 | rigel | butjust as i remember the last time i tried to use debian, you guys are impatient irritable fuckholes, so suck a turd from my asshole. |
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| 01:54.47 | beardy | !customer |
| 01:54.47 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 01:54.57 | Spec | When I add, under bind's options "dnssec-validation yes;", I get "unknown option 'dnssec-validation'" |
| 01:55.00 | d_b | rigel: try asking an actual question. I only read the first few messages you sent but asking about "general state" and calling stuff crap won't get you any help. |
| 01:55.07 | fbc-mx | catsup, awe yeah.. that's that ticket. |
| 01:55.08 | d_b | oh well |
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| 02:12.02 | akio | I'm trying to install lenny from a USB drive, I zcatted the boot img but when the installer goes looking for the installer iso it doesn't find it |
| 02:12.28 | akio | I put the mini.iso I found through the links on the main site |
| 02:12.40 | akio | into the flash drive* |
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| 02:12.58 | rmrf | why don't you use netinst iso? |
| 02:13.03 | gasull_ | Hi. I'm installing Lenny and it's asking me between installing linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.62-2-amd64. Which one should I choose? Thank you |
| 02:13.09 | akio | didn't find it first |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | gasull_: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 02:14.02 | rmrf | akio: I also installed lenny from usb |
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| 02:14.15 | akio | so the netboot.tar.gz will zcat to the usb drive as well? |
| 02:14.39 | gasull_ | abrotman: I am in the debian lenny installation CD |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | gasull_: either should be fine .. the former is a metapackage, and probably a better choice |
| 02:15.45 | gasull_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:16.18 | beardy | gasull_: The metapackage will depend on any later kernel version when it becomes built and install it when you are upgrading. |
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| 02:17.02 | rmrf | akio: no, you only need boot.img.gz |
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| 02:19.10 | akio | rmrf, right, I zcatted that to the drive, and the installer then searches and fails for an installer iso |
| 02:19.36 | akio | i threw the netboot installer mini.iso in there and it didn't find that |
| 02:19.43 | rmrf | akio: in that case, do search second time. I have to do that also :| |
| 02:21.01 | shivraj | anyone use solaris ? |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | shivraj: there is #solaris |
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| 02:34.53 | Spec | What's the easiest way to find out a package version from stable? |
| 02:35.24 | superjet_busy | Spec: packages.debian.org |
| 02:35.24 | dkay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.42 | dkay | make sure there are only stable repositorys |
| 02:35.58 | Spec | dkay: I use etch! |
| 02:36.03 | Spec | I see Lenny is only bind9.5 :( |
| 02:36.23 | dkay | sry then |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | Spec: packages.debian.org/bind |
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| 02:37.14 | Spec | abrotman: I doubt I'll be able to grab squeeze's bind9 and slam it into etch. |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | no .. |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | i was answering your original question |
| 02:37.35 | Spec | thanks ;) |
| 02:37.51 | Spec | If I build the package from deb-src, will it use depenencies found on my system, or the pre-defined depedencies for squeeze? |
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| 02:38.13 | abrotman | what's wrong with the bind in etch? |
| 02:38.15 | superjet_busy | Spec: no, debhelper has changed |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | and why are you still using etch? |
| 02:38.30 | Spec | abrotman: any version prior to bind9.6 doesn't support NSEC3. |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | judd: versions bind |
| 02:38.41 | judd | abrotman: bind -- etch: 1:8.4.7-1 |
| 02:38.41 | Spec | abrotman: Because it still gets security updates till the end of the year, right? ;) |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | judd: versions bind9 |
| 02:38.45 | judd | abrotman: bind9 -- etch: 1:9.3.4-2etch4 etch-security: 1:9.3.4-2etch5 lenny: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P1-2 lenny-security: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P3-1 squeeze: 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P1-1 sid: 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P1-3 |
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| 02:39.13 | Spec | I'm willing to upgrade to lenny, but 9.5 is still too low of a version. |
| 02:39.38 | Spec | superjet_busy: So you can't build future-packages on past-distributions. Hmm. |
| 02:39.49 | Spec | backports time? |
| 02:40.28 | superjet_busy | Spec: maybe, but it seems backport has dropped etch support |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 02:40.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 02:40.39 | Spec | superjet_busy: not backports.org |
| 02:40.43 | Spec | they recently dropped sarge though. |
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| 02:41.07 | Spec | abrotman: ... superjet_busy implied that wouldn't work due to a change in debhelper? |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | you could try .. up to you |
| 02:41.50 | Spec | Well, backports.org doesn't have bind9 for etch. |
| 02:42.08 | Spec | Any other trustworthy backports websites or is rollin' my own tiems? :) |
| 02:42.12 | Spec | if so, i'm leavin' for today. :p |
| 02:42.19 | Jill | saw "the prestige" |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:42.36 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:42.57 | Spec | well, this'll wait for another day. Thanks for the help guys. |
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| 02:46.00 | rumpsy | I start to install nvidia graphics driver, how to stop my gui x-window |
| 02:47.02 | beardy | !stop x |
| 02:47.02 | dpkg | '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, slim, or ?dm. Also ask me about "restart x" |
| 02:47.02 | markybob | rumpsy, ctrl+alt+backspace or /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 02:47.55 | rumpsy | is that a way to install invidia |
| 02:48.08 | beardy | !nvidia |
| 02:48.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 02:48.27 | markybob | rumpsy, no...it's a way to stop x |
| 02:49.56 | gasull_ | I just finished installed Debian in manual mode because I wanted to paritition my disk. Now X Windows and Gnome aren't installed and aparently every time I try to install something I get the error "couldn't find package irssi". What's wrong? thank you |
| 02:50.01 | rumpsy | hmm..i try now... |
| 02:50.29 | abrotman | gasull_: did you setup http sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 02:50.38 | markybob | gasull_, did you aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude install gnome ? |
| 02:50.52 | beardy | gasull_: Did you try to use the correct package name, irssi-text? |
| 02:51.18 | simonrvn | judd: versions irssi |
| 02:51.19 | beardy | Oh.. ignore that, it's not anymore. |
| 02:51.19 | judd | simonrvn: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 lenny: 0.8.12-6 etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.14-1 squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
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| 02:51.41 | markybob | great. glad we settled that |
| 02:51.53 | beardy | lowers fists. |
| 02:52.01 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 02:52.03 | gasull_ | abrotman: I did aptitude search irssi (nothing shown) and aptitude install irsii |
| 02:52.16 | simonrvn | irssi |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | gasull_: did you setup http sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 02:52.51 | nachos | hi, im trying to setup my debian 5.0 installation as a ssh proxy tunnel out to another server, it listens and logs in OK, but when i try browse a webpage i just get a blank page |
| 02:53.04 | markybob | gasull_, it'd be great if you answered my question, too |
| 02:53.08 | nachos | my proxys are configured correctly in firefox |
| 02:53.10 | gasull_ | markybob: same problem after that |
| 02:53.19 | markybob | gasull_, dpaste |
| 02:53.22 | simonrvn | gasull_: try answerng the questions, ok? |
| 02:53.26 | simonrvn | answering* |
| 02:54.14 | nachos | the connection is made but nothing happens |
| 02:54.17 | gasull_ | abrotman: I see the problem. The only source is the CD |
| 02:54.43 | markybob | god i hate people |
| 02:55.18 | beardy | Is it a mutual agreement? |
| 02:56.09 | gasull_ | simonrvn: I'm trying all the 3 things they told me with the CD in. They didn't work |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | markybob: it's not like kangaroos are all that much better :) |
| 02:56.42 | markybob | abrotman, koala bears are :P |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:57.04 | pickcoder | they're cute and cuddly until they get mad and scratch your eyes out |
| 02:57.10 | Salvad | Hello. |
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| 02:57.31 | gasull_ | I can't use dpaste since I don't have xwindows. I'm using another laptop for IRC |
| 02:57.45 | Salvad | Is there in Debian 5.03 and option to install it by selecting the packages to install? |
| 02:57.59 | beardy | markybob: @( * O * )@ |
| 02:58.07 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:58.50 | Salvad | *5.0.3 |
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| 02:59.04 | gasull_ | i have just one line in my /etc/apt/sources.list: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20090413-22:20]/ lenny main |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | !tell gasull_ about sources.list |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | !tell gasull_ about mirrors |
| 02:59.25 | shivraj | gasull_: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | !tell gasull_ about apt-spy |
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| 03:00.05 | markybob | how do you even manage that? in what situation does the install not add an http/ftp repository? |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | markybob: if the network is unavailable during installation |
| 03:01.51 | markybob | in my opinion, that should be a bug. it's not like debian is openbsd |
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| 03:03.54 | abrotman | markybob: the problem would be that if it sets it up during install and there is no network, it will still try to pull the source |
| 03:04.12 | nachos | hi, im trying to setup my debian 5.0 installation as a ssh proxy tunnel out to another server, it listens and logs in OK, but when i try browse a webpage i just get a blank page.. my proxies are configured correctly in firefox. any suggestions? |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | or if it is a machine that will never have network access |
| 03:04.21 | markybob | abrotman, how is this a problem? it's nearly 2010 |
| 03:04.30 | nachos | the connection is established but nothing happens |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | markybob: not all machines will have internet access ? |
| 03:05.01 | markybob | abrotman, 99% do. shouldnt the default work for the 99% and have the 1% manage it manually? |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | or the internet source might be undesirable .. such as someone that has a local DVD set but is on dialup |
| 03:05.30 | abrotman | markybob: yeah, we'll wait for your 'apt-setup' package :) |
| 03:05.43 | markybob | abrotman, :P i just try to be logical |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
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| 03:10.01 | gasull_ | shivraj, abrotman, simon, markybob: thx. it's installing gnome now |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | and xorg ? |
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| 03:11.27 | Salvad | Is there any console web browser? |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | w3m |
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| 03:11.49 | Salvad | And an IRC client? |
| 03:11.56 | markybob | Salvad, w3m. links. links2. many others |
| 03:11.57 | Tired | nachos, with the amount of information you revealed nobody can have any ideas about that |
| 03:12.03 | markybob | Salvad, bitchx. irssi |
| 03:12.04 | Tired | except you |
| 03:12.13 | nachos | tired. ok |
| 03:12.19 | nachos | ill try be more -v |
| 03:12.21 | markybob | Salvad, learn to apt-cache search |
| 03:12.24 | abrotman | markybob: bitchx is long gone |
| 03:12.50 | Salvad | OK. |
| 03:12.58 | Salvad | Thanks. |
| 03:12.59 | Xriva | test :-D |
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| 03:14.47 | Tired | nachos, or I could be as vague as you and say "you did something wrong" :) |
| 03:14.49 | nachos | I have a debian virtual machine running, I created a SOCKS5 / SSH Tunnel with ssh via "ssh -v -D 192.168.1.106:9999 myuser@otherhost", the ssh connection is established and i can log in fine, but when i go to make a connection via the SOCKS5 proxy in firefox, the error log shows activity but no matter what site i try i get a blank page in firefox. |
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| 03:14.57 | nachos | lol |
| 03:15.27 | nachos | I can paste the error log |
| 03:15.53 | CodeNinja | ok.. according to mysql's my.cnf... error logging is now posted to syslog 'this is a debian improvement' how can I undo that... |
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| 03:16.27 | nachos | i have enabled GatewayPorts |
| 03:16.33 | nachos | in the config file |
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| 03:17.06 | Tired | hm |
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| 03:18.12 | CodeNinja | actually for that matter, I everything that goes into syslog to go to a respective log file instead of one jumble |
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| 03:18.55 | Tired | nachos, are you running the tunneling ssh as root? |
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| 03:19.24 | liable | thought those lot looked dodgy! |
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| 03:19.44 | Tired | liable?? |
| 03:19.49 | Tired | oh, those |
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| 03:20.13 | liable | they got lots of ip's though |
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| 03:20.45 | nachos | Tired: no im not |
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| 03:21.33 | Tired | manpage for ssh says for -D "Only the superuser can forward privileged ports." - I wonder if that implies "can only forward *to* privileged ports" |
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| 03:21.41 | Tired | but I've never used -D with ssh |
| 03:21.46 | nachos | possibly |
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| 03:22.40 | Tired | nachos, what input does one give a SOCKS4/5 server? |
| 03:22.53 | nachos | web traffic |
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| 03:23.18 | nachos | running as root makes no difference |
| 03:23.19 | Tired | you mean like GET http://some.host/some/url |
| 03:23.24 | nachos | yeah |
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| 03:23.33 | nachos | oh no |
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| 03:23.52 | nachos | ill have to come back to this later |
| 03:23.53 | nachos | ive got an appoiontment |
| 03:23.55 | nachos | thanks Tired |
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| 03:25.53 | Tired | hm, actually the remote host would do the forwarding - so you'd need to connect to root@remotehost? |
| 03:26.15 | Tired | well, I can't do that - I always prohibit direct connects via ssh as root |
| 03:26.24 | nachos | it works with putty |
| 03:26.32 | nachos | not with ssh |
| 03:26.36 | nachos | gotta leave |
| 03:26.38 | nachos | ill be back |
| 03:26.39 | nachos | thanks tired |
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| 03:26.58 | Tired | putty is also "ssh" ssh is not only the program name, but also the protocol... |
| 03:26.59 | Tired | laters |
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| 03:27.48 | markybob | putty is not "ssh". putty also does telnet and other protocols |
| 03:28.14 | bctrainers | <3 putty - pretty great program |
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| 03:41.47 | Tired | it is _also_ "ssh" |
| 03:41.52 | Tired | I didn't say exclusively |
| 03:41.58 | Tired | pfffrt |
| 03:42.01 | Tired | sticks out his tongue |
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| 03:47.53 | eadaoin | My wifi card has just disappeared from interfaces. How can I find out if the card has just gone kaput or if there is a problem with the setup? |
| 03:47.58 | gasull_ | I plugged an external drive through usb. How do I know where it is mounted? Thanks |
| 03:48.22 | Andorin | Hi, I need the command to eject a CD drive. It won't open manually. |
| 03:48.50 | eadaoin | eject /dev/whatever as root usually works |
| 03:48.56 | Andorin | Ty |
| 03:49.34 | markybob | generally that means you still have it mounted |
| 03:49.34 | gullstein | I created md0 and md1 with sdb1 and sdb2. I made md0 swap as raid0 and md1 ext4 as eaid1. copy and add all data from sda2 to md1 and then grow it and add sda2 to the raid was no problem, doing the same with md0 and hda1 has so far proven imposible. I now want to delete md0 from my system and create it from scratch. HOW!? |
| 03:49.37 | Andorin | Not doing it. |
| 03:50.03 | eadaoin | I now only have lo when I run ifconfig, wlan0 and wmaster are both gone |
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| 03:50.18 | sswam | you might try fuser -m /mount/point to find out what processes are using it, and fuser -mk /mount/point to kill them |
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| 03:50.42 | sswam | if you have a process blocked in "my driver sucks" state, you might need to reboot (e.g. if you cd has a scratch on it) |
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| 03:51.34 | eadaoin | 2.6s lag. I really hate my ISP |
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| 03:52.25 | sswam | Andorin: try fuser -m /mount/point |
| 03:52.32 | Andorin | I got it. |
| 03:52.46 | eadaoin | how do you list all lodaed modules? |
| 03:52.51 | sswam | sorry, just checking cause I didn't use your nick |
| 03:52.56 | Andorin | It's one of those CDs with two reflective sides, only one of which has data... I probably put the wrong side in. |
| 03:52.56 | martianixor | eadaoin: lsmod ? |
| 03:52.58 | Andorin | It's fine. I saw it. |
| 03:54.29 | eadaoin | hmm rt2x00pci is there and has a 1 in the used column, rt2500pci has a 0 |
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| 03:54.57 | ksnp | can i use sendmail as well as exim ? sendmail by some programs taht are called occasionally and exim for others ? |
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| 03:57.19 | pickcoder | the "sendmail" command tool is often cloned for compat issues with applications, so if you install exim there will probably be a sendmail script/binary |
| 03:57.24 | dkr | it's probably doable, but it would be quite annoying to set up |
| 03:57.27 | pickcoder | same for Postfix |
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| 03:57.52 | dkr | an exim install actually makes a symlink for sendmail to itself, :) |
| 03:58.01 | martianixor | eadaoin: you read this http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto ? |
| 03:58.02 | sswam | ksnp, potentially you can do it, but probably not using the official packages without hacking them. Of course you'd have to make one smtpd listen on a different port if you want to use it. |
| 03:58.11 | pickcoder | unless you already are an M4 wizard, why would you want to install sendmail in the first place? |
| 03:58.21 | ksnp | ok, cool if it creates a symlink |
| 03:58.22 | summatusmentis | quick question, is there something in particular that debian does differently when it comes to installing cpan modules? I'm looking for Net::Twitter, and it's not in the repos |
| 03:58.24 | pickcoder | exim and postfix are far easier to config |
| 03:58.38 | pickcoder | is biased to Postfix |
| 03:58.40 | dkr | pickcoder: welcome to the 1980s sendmail complaint hotline |
| 03:58.40 | ksnp | pickcoder, one cgi is using sendmail and i am not sure how to make it use exim's smtp |
| 03:59.10 | ksnp | i see the symlink cool ! |
| 03:59.12 | pickcoder | smtp is a standard protocol so if it's making a socket connection for SMTP your MTA doesn't matter |
| 03:59.12 | ksnp | thanks guys |
| 03:59.25 | pickcoder | if it's doing command line calls then they're all compat with sendmail |
| 03:59.49 | dkr | pickcoder: the complaints about sendmails confusing config file are not to do with the m4 version which is quite simple, it's to do with the language used in the .cf files - which you don't need to know at all, but is indeed quite confusing. :) |
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| 04:00.08 | pickcoder | isn't the config M4 compiled itself? |
| 04:00.14 | pickcoder | it's all macros |
| 04:00.30 | pickcoder | bear in mind the last time I hacked up sendmail config was on RH9 |
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| 04:00.51 | pickcoder | I actually had delivery transports configured.. only took me a month to figure out how to do it |
| 04:01.11 | ksnp | can i ask an exim question : i installed and used exim with 2 users. but as soon as i add a new local user and try to send to him, it doesn't recognize him how do i tell exim to look for a new local user ? |
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| 04:03.18 | Andorin | Lovely, now DVD playback is not working. >_> Not under xine, or vlc, or totem. Wtf. |
| 04:03.26 | pickcoder | uses Postfix.. |
| 04:03.38 | pickcoder | there's always #exim |
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| 04:03.47 | ksnp | that's a dead channel normally |
| 04:03.52 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:04.00 | echosystm | is it just me or is gnome/kde a lot slower than xp? |
| 04:04.00 | ksnp | :) |
| 04:04.15 | echosystm | xp runs pretty good on my netbook, but gnome/kde are absolute dogs |
| 04:04.19 | ksnp | dkr, can you answer my exim question please ? |
| 04:04.46 | dkr | ksnp: nope. going to try the other 800 people now? |
| 04:05.06 | eadaoin | I've noticed them slowing down a lot lately. |
| 04:05.19 | ksnp | not really :) since you talked about exim above thgt you might be a good one ;-) |
| 04:05.23 | eadaoin | That's why I switched to fluxbox. |
| 04:05.24 | dkr | echosystm: maybe an issue with your video driver or the like |
| 04:05.35 | echosystm | no |
| 04:05.47 | echosystm | startup time has nothing to do with the video driver lol |
| 04:06.00 | echosystm | gnome just seems to take a lot more resources than xp |
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| 04:06.25 | pickcoder | drop XP's virtual memory space 100MB and see if that's still true |
| 04:06.27 | santux | hi everybody |
| 04:06.42 | pickcoder | ~to 100MB |
| 04:06.52 | dkr | echosystm: why not measure it instead of guess? :) |
| 04:07.06 | eadaoin | martianixor: Sorry about the delay, was in another tab for a bit. I've already got it all up and running, then all of a sudden it's not working anymore. |
| 04:07.17 | echosystm | measuring memory usage isnt really a good measure of "performance" |
| 04:07.59 | echosystm | everything just seems slower on gnome |
| 04:08.14 | echosystm | openbox etc. are zippy though |
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| 04:08.47 | dkr | echosystm: there is a lot more to measure than memory |
| 04:08.53 | eadaoin | Bah, now I feel stupid. For some reason the interface had gone down. Got so used to using iwconfig only that I forgot to use ifconfig to bring it up :( |
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| 04:09.42 | Pendrag0n | anyone know where to change a setting for my syntax highlighting in VIM for php? comments are really dark blue and hard to read. |
| 04:09.46 | Pendrag0n | I want to change that color |
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| 04:10.06 | Pendrag0n | I don't know if that is a global var, php var, vim var |
| 04:10.08 | Pendrag0n | not really sure |
| 04:10.16 | santux | filetype indent on |
| 04:10.18 | echosystm | it would be in the language settings Pendrag0n |
| 04:10.20 | Delf | how do i get rid of vi? |
| 04:10.23 | santux | in vimrc |
| 04:10.26 | echosystm | not "vi" settings |
| 04:10.41 | echosystm | (afaik) |
| 04:10.42 | echosystm | :P |
| 04:10.44 | santux | syntax on |
| 04:10.51 | Delf | i simply write vimrc ? |
| 04:11.01 | Delf | is a big noob |
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| 04:11.12 | santux | jaajajaja |
| 04:11.12 | Pendrag0n | santux:in my vimrc I have "syntax on" but I want to change a specific color for php comments |
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| 04:11.26 | santux | :o |
| 04:11.54 | Pendrag0n | from what I am assuming is #000066 to something more like #0000FF |
| 04:12.08 | Delf | Oh, lol. I thought i was being helped. Thought the hell that was fast reply :P |
| 04:12.08 | Pendrag0n | because I have a black background, and the dark blue is nearly impossible to see |
| 04:12.23 | Pendrag0n | Delf what is yoru question? |
| 04:12.31 | Delf | How do I get rid of vi |
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| 04:12.42 | Pendrag0n | how do you get rid of vi? what is it hurting? if you want to use a different editor you can set the default in your bash rc |
| 04:13.04 | santux | exist a option in vimrc for black background u see that ? |
| 04:13.20 | Delf | It's irritating. The way one is suppose to use it. It's not logical. It's...sickening mentally giving me brain bleeding |
| 04:13.25 | Pendrag0n | Delf: edit your bashrc and put export EDITOR="nano" or export EDITOR="pico" |
| 04:13.26 | Delf | nano is much better. |
| 04:13.35 | Pendrag0n | I pefer vim |
| 04:13.38 | santux | nano ? |
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| 04:13.44 | santux | me too |
| 04:13.44 | Delf | pico? Haven't tried it. |
| 04:13.48 | Pendrag0n | they are other editors |
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| 04:13.51 | santux | vim is better |
| 04:14.00 | Delf | Haven't tried vim either. |
| 04:14.04 | Pendrag0n | Yes, if vim is set up correctly it is much better |
| 04:14.11 | Pendrag0n | vim is extended vi |
| 04:14.18 | Pendrag0n | alias vim=vi |
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| 04:14.33 | Delf | no hell |
| 04:14.36 | Delf | i get stuck in vi |
| 04:14.36 | Pendrag0n | but I have a whole .vimrc file and directory |
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| 04:14.47 | Pendrag0n | full of shortcuts and autocompletes |
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| 04:15.02 | Pendrag0n | anywho, so anyone know where to change the color settings for php syntax? |
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| 04:15.48 | Pendrag0n | the ones used in vim? |
| 04:15.56 | santux | I leave nano and pico when I know vim |
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| 04:17.14 | Pendrag0n | a wise old man who knew all three very well told me vim was the best, so I printed out a cheat sheet for vim and stuck with it, now I am glad I did, one key tip though Delf, make sure you have the full vim |
| 04:17.21 | Pendrag0n | apt-get vim-extended |
| 04:17.30 | Pendrag0n | and then make sure you are using vim, not vi |
| 04:17.45 | Pendrag0n | no point in using it unless you have the one with all the bells and whistles |
| 04:17.53 | Delf | I don't need advanced things |
| 04:17.55 | Pendrag0n | otherwise, the light weight version, isn't worth anything |
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| 04:18.02 | Pendrag0n | well, CTRL+P is auto complete |
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| 04:18.13 | Delf | I only need LOGICAL and obvious smart simple program. |
| 04:18.16 | Pendrag0n | SHIFT+V Highlights a whole line |
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| 04:18.23 | Pendrag0n | :w save :q quit |
| 04:18.30 | Delf | All I'm doing is writing config file for tinc |
| 04:18.32 | Pendrag0n | but Delf, there is a vim channel I just found |
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| 04:19.36 | Delf | when I type pico, nano comes instead, what the hell? |
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| 04:20.13 | echosystm | i asked this earlier but didnt get too many replies: my ISP mirrors security/main, but not volatile. what happens if my security/main repos are out of date? |
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| 04:21.05 | Delf | how do you get out from vim? |
| 04:21.10 | Delf | how do you close it? I'm going nuts |
| 04:21.11 | echosystm | :qa! |
| 04:21.31 | echosystm | Delf: if you want to use vim, you need to read the manual from start to finish |
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| 04:21.43 | echosystm | otherwise use gedit or medit |
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| 04:22.32 | Delf | I don't seem to have gedit or medit. Nano is almost the best program I've came across my whole freakking life. |
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| 04:22.50 | echosystm | you would need to install them - they arent commandline programs |
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| 04:23.04 | echosystm | gedit is the default gnome editor (quite good) |
| 04:23.08 | Delf | I don't want to do 5 hour studying just for a simple file editing |
| 04:23.16 | echosystm | medit is kinda the same thing without gnome dependencies |
| 04:23.16 | Delf | and nano does the job perfectly |
| 04:23.26 | Delf | It's logical and obvious |
| 04:23.41 | Delf | First time I used it I knew exactly what I were doing. |
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| 04:23.44 | echosystm | depends what you need to do Delf |
| 04:24.11 | echosystm | vim was made for people that do a lot of text editing and would invest the time |
| 04:24.12 | Delf | echosystm: I'm a freakking Noob so I would appreciate logical and simple programs. |
| 04:24.34 | Delf | vim is for experts |
| 04:24.39 | Delf | I'm not one, yet |
| 04:24.40 | Pendrag0n | lol |
| 04:24.50 | Delf | I'm a retard, sofar. |
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| 04:25.37 | Delf | Why does everyone here have weird names? |
| 04:26.10 | Andorin | Why is my DVD/CD drive misbehaving so much tonight? >_> |
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| 04:26.47 | Delf | Mine stopped working a month ago, just like that. It gave up. |
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| 04:27.19 | Andorin | Well, for some very weird reason, VLC won't read this DVD. |
| 04:27.59 | tuv | Andorin: if mplayer doesn't play it, throw it away! |
| 04:29.19 | Delf | When we do ls and theres too much stuff information it gets scrolled up. What do we do IF it just "might" possibly pass by slightly too fast? |
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| 04:31.54 | Delf | what the hell, even the text for ls --help scrolls down too fast. How do I scroll up? |
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| 04:32.27 | ksnp | how can i check if i have selinux running or apparmor running ? |
| 04:34.00 | pl4yer0ne | Delf, try piping it to less |
| 04:34.00 | pl4yer0ne | Delf, ls --help | less |
| 04:34.00 | Delf | pl4yer0ne: what do you mean? |
| 04:34.03 | Delf | ohh.. less, didn't know about that. |
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| 04:34.44 | Delf | thats funny. I can't write the char | now. |
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| 04:36.00 | pl4yer0ne | Its not shift \ ? |
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| 04:41.07 | Delf | I have a swedish layout |
| 04:43.01 | macrobat | Delf: shift + pgup to scroll up |
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| 04:43.36 | macrobat | | is on the key with >< on, left of z |
| 04:44.33 | Delf | macrobat: Thank you, that was much better. |
| 04:44.47 | Delf | I cannot use any key when i use the alt GR or ctrl+alt |
| 04:45.04 | pl4yer0ne | ah nice, not familiar with crazy swedes =) |
| 04:45.13 | Delf | I tried page up but never thought of holding shift key. |
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| 04:45.36 | Delf | swedes made linux |
| 04:45.44 | Delf | you must worship us |
| 04:46.26 | pl4yer0ne | Delf, Linus is a Fin |
| 04:46.33 | Delf | :P guess it was a lame joke. |
| 04:46.50 | Delf | I see. I don't know anything about linux at all. I started using it yesterday. |
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| 04:47.06 | pl4yer0ne | haha |
| 04:47.22 | pl4yer0ne | what did you used to use? |
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| 04:48.39 | Delf | doze |
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| 04:49.39 | pl4yer0ne | well welcome to linux |
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| 04:50.42 | pl4yer0ne | Hopefully you'll find it slightly less face palm than windows |
| 04:51.27 | Pendrag0n | Delf: Go get Ubuntu, it is Debian, with a good solid gui on it, but it is great for starters |
| 04:51.39 | Pendrag0n | I am ashamed to say it, but it should help |
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| 04:53.22 | pl4yer0ne | Personally I think Ubuntu is toon00b friendly to be actually n00b friendly |
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| 04:57.11 | Delf | Pendrag0n: I don't like it's gui. |
| 04:57.18 | Delf | I rather use terminal |
| 04:57.36 | Pendrag0n | hmm anyone remember where dos2unix is? |
| 04:57.39 | Delf | It seems like it's trying to look like doze. It's heart stabbing. |
| 04:57.59 | Pendrag0n | Good for you Delf, btw it's gui is easily changeable |
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| 04:58.54 | Delf | I don't understand the point of trying to look like doze. To get more people to switch over to Ubuntu? |
| 04:58.56 | pl4yer0ne | Pendrag0n, tofrodos |
| 04:59.19 | Pendrag0n | hmm all of my sources are "untrusted" |
| 04:59.23 | Pendrag0n | in aptitude |
| 04:59.33 | pl4yer0ne | apt-file find dos2unix |
| 04:59.41 | Pendrag0n | ah cool |
| 04:59.42 | Pendrag0n | thanks |
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| 05:00.42 | Pendrag0n | hmm what is AU mean in aptitude? |
| 05:00.48 | Pendrag0n | U for update, but the A,... |
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| 05:01.13 | pl4yer0ne | yeah thats what I reckon Delf, I think they should show how powerful linux can be not how lame and cut down it can be. |
| 05:01.25 | pl4yer0ne | dunno dude I use apt-get |
| 05:01.47 | Pendrag0n | o crap, I have the aptitude NO_PUBKEY error |
| 05:01.53 | Pendrag0n | I have no idea how to fix that |
| 05:01.57 | Pendrag0n | and I really don't have time for that now |
| 05:01.58 | pl4yer0ne | oh the A means automatically installed IIRC |
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| 05:02.03 | Delf | I know it's powerful. But doze gui is not powerful. I wouldn't even use doze if it wasn't for Litestep. |
| 05:02.19 | Pendrag0n | heh, I wrote litestep |
| 05:02.27 | Pendrag0n | well me an 3 other guys, about 13 years ago |
| 05:02.36 | Delf | :) |
| 05:02.39 | Pendrag0n | I bowed out about 10 years ago |
| 05:02.54 | Delf | I appreciate the work. I've been using LiteStep ever since i started using doze |
| 05:03.06 | Delf | It doesn't work very well with me without ls. |
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| 05:03.38 | Pendrag0n | I wrote the gSeries |
| 05:04.40 | Delf | I don't recognize it. |
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| 05:07.07 | Delf | Are we allowed to post links? |
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| 05:07.25 | macrobat | how do i make the terminal emulator read the .Xdefaults file? |
| 05:07.34 | Pendrag0n | sure |
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| 05:07.42 | Pendrag0n | but use pastebin.com if it is allot of stuf |
| 05:07.43 | Pendrag0n | brb |
| 05:08.00 | Delf | It's just a snapshot of my desktop |
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| 05:09.13 | Delf | It's a theme I made myself. However all credits goes to LiteStep Dev and the module authors. ftp://gxt3.ws:24019/deskshot.png |
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| 05:10.46 | Pendrag0n | Delf this was mine, but someone else is claiming it as theres now http://fc06.deviantart.com/images/i/2002/18/b/7/GSeries_4_1.jpg |
| 05:11.03 | Pendrag0n | O I see why, it says version 4.1 |
| 05:11.08 | Pendrag0n | I made version 1 :-p |
| 05:12.01 | Delf | I see. That is some powerful tits you got there. |
| 05:13.03 | Delf | I'm just kidding. However, the gui seems powerful since you got lot of options and not too fat borders but too fat for me. I like 1-2 pixel borders. Minimal graphics, more functions and simplicity and cheap on resources. |
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| 05:16.19 | iateadonut1 | how can i know if apache can read a directory? if permisions are 777 on a file index.html, will anyone be able to read it, or will the permissions have to go on all the superdirectories, too? |
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| 05:25.14 | CodeNinja | iateadonut1: you should have permissions <anyone>:www-data 750 or www-data:www-data 570 |
| 05:25.28 | sparr | I am going to copy a large number of files to a new hard drive, filling it completely. They will never be modified. What filesystem can handle this with no fragmentation, unix permissions, and reasonable performance? |
| 05:25.37 | CodeNinja | also, that question is moresuited for #httpd iateadonut1 |
| 05:27.12 | iateadonut1 | thanks. |
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| 05:34.22 | lfs-livecd | hi |
| 05:34.42 | Jill | =) |
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| 05:35.23 | Begasus | morning all |
| 05:35.28 | Jill | Begasus: |
| 05:36.11 | Begasus | got a small problem, I have avant window manager installed and working in the menu's but I can't seem to uninstall it through aptitude dpkg or synaptics, they say it's not installed |
| 05:36.16 | Begasus | Jill, |
| 05:36.47 | Begasus | when I open the preferences for awm I can't seem to turn of the option for not loading it at boot |
| 05:37.57 | Jill | maybe this calls avant window navigator |
| 05:38.00 | Jill | or awn |
| 05:38.04 | Jill | not awm |
| 05:38.45 | Begasus | ah ... just saw the diff in the name |
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| 05:39.52 | Begasus | hm the problem remains ... dpkg is telling me it's not installed |
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| 05:41.08 | Jill | Begasus: can you tell me name of its process? |
| 05:41.35 | Begasus | begasus 4247 4155 0 07:17 ? 00:00:00 avant-window-navigator |
| 05:41.44 | Begasus | but I killed that a few minutes ago |
| 05:42.55 | Begasus | I'm not sure if I installed it through source (but I doubt that) or through add/remove software (wich I think happened) |
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| 05:44.35 | Jill | Begasus: you always can join #awn and ask they maybe awn has any problems with it |
| 05:44.56 | Begasus | ok thnx so far Jill |
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| 06:10.43 | flaccid | with apt/dpkg how it may report 'such and such requires version >= 1.8.6', how can i query apt to get this 1.8.6 value as the package names don't contain it.. |
| 06:11.05 | simonrvn | flaccid: apt-cache show |
| 06:11.11 | flaccid | thanks simonrvn |
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| 06:22.06 | dondelelcaro | nah, i think we should pass it around a bit first. |
| 06:23.03 | stew | echan? |
| 06:23.08 | stew | don? |
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| 06:24.55 | echosystm | is someone able to give me a hand getting my wireless working? |
| 06:25.04 | echosystm | its ath5k |
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| 06:25.30 | echosystm | im not sure what to put in /etc/networking/interfaces so i just put auto ath0 etc. |
| 06:25.41 | echosystm | ath0 inet dhcp or whatever |
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| 06:25.59 | echosystm | i dont seem to be able to connect to my wifi using network manager though |
| 06:27.31 | echosystm | sorry, seems to be a bug i'll need a diff kernel for, nevermind |
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| 06:49.54 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 06:50.07 | man_in_ltop | has Ctrl+Alt+Backspace zapping been disabled in debian's xorg? |
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| 06:51.40 | rmrfchik_ | how can I get a list of install packages among with their version? |
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| 06:51.59 | rmrfchik_ | i/e, apt 0.7.24 |
| 06:52.12 | man_in_ltop | dpkg -l? |
| 06:52.13 | dpkg | man_in_ltop: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 06:56.07 | Jemt | Hello. I'm having some problems with my Samba installation (version 3.0.24 on Debian Etch). When I mount a share on a client, I can browse the share, create files and create files with content, but I can't modify the files after that. I usually get a "No such file or directory" error. Could someone please give me some help in this matter ? My shares are defined as described on the following paste bin, along with the command I use to mount my sha |
| 06:56.07 | Jemt | re on the client: http://pastebin.ca/1583869 |
| 06:56.12 | Jemt | I have an account with the name "jemt" on both the server and client, and they both have the User ID 1000. All files I modify belongs to "jemt" in group "jemt". |
| 06:56.28 | rmrfchik_ | man_in_ltop: thanks! |
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| 06:58.23 | Jemt | This guy seems to have the exact same problem I'm running into: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-February/080071.html |
| 06:58.24 | man_in_ltop | hugs gdmflexiserver |
| 06:59.05 | man_in_ltop | Jemt: tried samba's channel? |
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| 07:00.06 | jony123 | How many people where when opening a computer would wear a anti static device? |
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| 07:00.37 | Jemt | man_in_ltop: Yes, it's pretty dead. Tried it twice this week, no answers |
| 07:00.46 | man_in_ltop | haha, anti-static device ;) |
| 07:00.49 | Jemt | But thank you for suggesting it :) |
| 07:01.00 | man_in_ltop | Jemt: samba is fickle |
| 07:01.12 | man_in_ltop | Jemt: maybe cifs would be useful for you? |
| 07:01.39 | Jemt | Not sure what cifs is. I just need something that my Mac can access :) |
| 07:01.40 | flaccid | cifs is part of the samba suite, i think you were referring to smbfs :p |
| 07:01.53 | flaccid | os x can connect to smb or cifs |
| 07:02.01 | man_in_ltop | no, referring to cifs kernel module |
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| 07:02.22 | Jemt | I'm a bit confused - I'm using smbfs, yes. Should I look into cifs ? |
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| 07:02.49 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: cifs is newer smbfs |
| 07:03.05 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: more generic terminology |
| 07:03.29 | Jemt | I see, I will have a look at it then :) |
| 07:03.32 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 07:03.47 | jenh | Has anyone built an mdadm package to go with udev 146-3? According to #541884, the maintainer is swamped. |
| 07:03.51 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: cifs is generally recommended for win2k and later - while smbfs is used for win9x and earlier |
| 07:03.56 | CodeNinja | jeeze.. this hits so many channels it doesn't fit in one :( |
| 07:04.13 | xeon-enouf | there's kernel /Documentation/fs/cifs.txt |
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| 07:04.30 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Hehe, okay. My clients are using OSX Leopard and Debian Lenny :) |
| 07:04.34 | xeon-enouf | iirc |
| 07:04.51 | man_in_ltop | Jemt: why not use sshfs instead? :) |
| 07:05.27 | Jemt | man_in_ltop: I don't think it's supported on OSX (?) |
| 07:05.51 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: is NFS? :-O |
| 07:05.57 | man_in_ltop | OSX comes with ssh |
| 07:06.05 | man_in_ltop | so that's a good start :) |
| 07:06.06 | xeon-enouf | sshfs needs FUSE |
| 07:06.09 | man_in_ltop | yeah |
| 07:06.12 | Jemt | So I can just use -t sshfs instead of -t smbfs when mounting ? |
| 07:06.16 | Jemt | That would be much easier |
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| 07:06.22 | man_in_ltop | http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/ << lol |
| 07:06.27 | Jemt | Checking |
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| 07:06.55 | man_in_ltop | google says people have ported sshfs to macosx |
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| 07:07.11 | man_in_ltop | http://www.google.com/search?q=osx+sshfs |
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| 07:08.20 | Jemt | Hm, seems like you are right about that. Super, I'll try it out |
| 07:09.02 | Jemt | I was afraid that it was brand new software. If that was the case, I wouldn't use it. My data is very important to me, so I wouldn't dare installating beta software to handle my data |
| 07:09.14 | Jemt | installing* |
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| 07:09.28 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: ok, passed memtest86+? (though you should let it run for hours on end, and perform more stringent of it's tests, not just the generic ones) are you still having issues with flash? |
| 07:09.28 | man_in_ltop | sshfs has a few quirks, at least on my linux systems |
| 07:09.38 | man_in_ltop | like not displaying free space correctly |
| 07:09.57 | CodeNinja | I've got a debian server running citadel, spamassassin, apache, php, mysql, etc. Also this server runs nagios. When nagios needs to send an email it uses mail, however citadel uses an aliased sendmail and mail hooking through spamassassin regards the email as from unknown@mydomain.tld to (unknown), but it seems that citadel's sendmail will hook through spamassassin with the right information, nagios needs to use mail (or I need |
| 07:09.57 | CodeNinja | to modify the commands, a pain), or I need to know how to set mail to send a user name/pass through mail. Does anyone have any ideas on making all of these work together nicely? |
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| 07:10.05 | man_in_ltop | but using windows networking between two unix-likes is simply unecessary pain |
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| 07:11.11 | Jemt | man_in_ltop: I can live with that, as long as my data is safe :) |
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| 07:11.34 | CodeNinja | sshfs is great :) |
| 07:11.47 | simonrvn | so why not use nfsv4+krb5+ssl ;p. is that unixy enough for ya? ;) |
| 07:12.06 | CodeNinja | thought that said ntfs |
| 07:12.08 | CodeNinja | :S |
| 07:12.09 | simonrvn | or sshfs, or anything even remotely resembling sane. |
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| 07:12.22 | simonrvn | -_- |
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| 07:13.05 | flaccid | i find samba works fine |
| 07:13.28 | simonrvn | it's higher overhead than sshfs or nfs |
| 07:14.40 | CodeNinja | sshfs is nice, though dealing with ssh sometimes is not |
| 07:14.53 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: the only time your data is safe, is in a Safe via Backups ;-) |
| 07:15.03 | simonrvn | it's worh setting up yours keys ;) |
| 07:15.05 | simonrvn | your* |
| 07:15.06 | CodeNinja | have had to remove/recreate my keys and such every time something goes awry with my server |
| 07:15.23 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Heh, true. I will probably make an extra backup or two the next couple of weeks :) |
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| 07:17.27 | CodeNinja | simonrvn: yeah, I'm going to work on doing it all the right way instead of hacking through it and using the cat myrsa.pub to server .ssh/authorized, etc, would also rather have it so that I can give out a cert and have noone using users instead just using a key, seen it before |
| 07:17.46 | flaccid | sshfs is a bit slower as its userspace |
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| 07:19.15 | CodeNinja | flaccid: you only really notice if you're on dsl or transfering a file (set) larger than 1gb |
| 07:19.29 | flaccid | well i do notice it a bit local too |
| 07:19.39 | CodeNinja | sometimes |
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| 07:20.15 | CodeNinja | is there a userspace cache of sorts? maybe that needs to be cleared every so often, dunno, haven't looked into it, I'm more into getting all my services back right now |
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| 07:26.35 | Balsaq | is debian the most popular linux? this room seems to have the most participants |
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| 07:28.01 | Gratz474 | any debian users here ? |
| 07:28.05 | CodeNinja | Balsaq: not sure about popularity tbh |
| 07:28.10 | macrobat | Balsaq: there are debianites on the oftc network too |
| 07:28.17 | CodeNinja | Gratz474: no, we are all mac users here |
| 07:28.19 | Jemt | Balgan: No, Ubuntu probably is |
| 07:28.20 | Gratz474 | oh man emacs blah |
| 07:28.24 | Jemt | But Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 07:28.37 | Gratz474 | ^^ |
| 07:28.37 | Balsaq | on my g4 now |
| 07:28.57 | Balsaq | joined the open stuff 4 days ago on my old dell |
| 07:29.08 | CodeNinja | Jemt: ubuntu is probably more popular but I bet you about 30% of the users here are ubuntu users in disguise |
| 07:29.10 | Jemt | Balgan: Good for you! :) |
| 07:29.19 | CodeNinja | congrats Balsaq |
| 07:29.35 | CodeNinja | my house is windows free minus my work stuff, sadly, required |
| 07:29.37 | Jemt | CodeNinja: Hehe, could be :) |
| 07:29.38 | Balsaq | everyone keeps talking about debiam and fedora have NO idea why |
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| 07:30.03 | Jemt | Balgan: I have no idea why people are talking about Fedora either |
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| 07:30.16 | CodeNinja | fedora ate my drives once |
| 07:30.21 | CodeNinja | 350GB of data without asking |
| 07:30.29 | Balsaq | now i have leopard on the g4 and ubuntu on the 11 y/o dell and no windows |
| 07:30.31 | CodeNinja | I screamed at it and didn't touch my systems for a week |
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| 07:31.00 | Jemt | CodeNinja: Your poor thing. Nothing is worse than loosing data |
| 07:31.02 | Balsaq | but i can tell ubuntu is too much for a 400mgz dell |
| 07:31.10 | Jemt | Well, loosing a family member is bad too, of course |
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| 07:31.48 | Balsaq | what is going on with debian why is it so hot |
| 07:31.51 | Jemt | Balgan: Not necessarily. You just need a simpler user interface. Gnome is not as light as it has been |
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| 07:32.23 | kraut | moin |
| 07:32.25 | Jemt | Balsaq: Ubuntu is more popular because it includes a lot of new software. Debian is always behind, because stability is a higher priority |
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| 07:32.43 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: i run debian w/ Xorg on my pII 350MHz 512RAM no probs |
| 07:32.55 | the-dude | ubuntu borks alot more |
| 07:32.58 | Balsaq | Jemt: i want word processing internet speed and youtube |
| 07:33.07 | Jemt | Balsaq: But it has been worse. Debian is catching up, and you can always choose to use Debian Testing, Unstable or even Expiremental, if you really want to live on the edge. Can't recommend it though |
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| 07:33.23 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: go dumpster diving, and leave your Dell there for someone else |
| 07:33.24 | Jemt | Balgan: Install Debian/Ubuntu with xfce |
| 07:34.08 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Plain xorg? No window manager ? That must be a pain to look at (?) |
| 07:34.19 | Balsaq | xeaon: whats the matter with my dell |
| 07:34.26 | CodeNinja | Jemt: it was a lot of generated data, nothing replaceable |
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| 07:34.36 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: if dmidecode | grep -i MHz returns 66 leave it in the dumpster, if 100, you can add more RAM and work with it |
| 07:34.50 | Balsaq | got 768sdram |
| 07:34.56 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: openbox |
| 07:35.03 | Jemt | He just said it was a 400 Mhz computer :) |
| 07:35.22 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.31 | Balsaq | 400mgz but it took 768sdram even though dell said stop at 384 |
| 07:35.37 | xeon-enouf | Jemt: we want FSB speed |
| 07:35.40 | Balsaq | XPS model |
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| 07:35.45 | Balsaq | 440bx chip |
| 07:35.47 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: righto |
| 07:35.49 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Oh |
| 07:35.52 | xeon-enouf | same for my pII |
| 07:36.10 | Balsaq | wondering if i can go ti 1,5 |
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| 07:36.25 | Balsaq | 3x512 prolly a stretch |
| 07:36.36 | Jemt | Balsaq: Don't was money on more RAM to an old computer like that |
| 07:36.43 | Jemt | waste |
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| 07:36.58 | Balsaq | but the ram is selling for 8 bucks sometimes for a 512 stick |
| 07:37.05 | xeon-enouf | nah, 768 / 784 or whatever is likely the limit |
| 07:37.12 | Jemt | Balsaq: Install Debian and the Xfce window manager - then you should be good to go. |
| 07:37.13 | Balsaq | prolly |
| 07:37.16 | xeon-enouf | too dense Balsaq |
| 07:37.20 | simonrvn | Balsaq: i'd go for it |
| 07:38.00 | xeon-enouf | 512 SD-RAM dimms are too dense for those older systems |
| 07:38.02 | simonrvn | hm, though i'd do that on a newer box like 600+ |
| 07:38.04 | Balsaq | i am finding the old xps system is way better than i oncethought with abilities even dell wasnt aware of |
| 07:38.31 | simonrvn | (even though i've done it on slower machines) |
| 07:38.37 | Balsaq | the hardware never failed |
| 07:38.45 | Balsaq | same fan and all |
| 07:38.53 | flaccid | whats this hg source control thing, and where do i get the client for debian ? |
| 07:38.56 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: so, what's the FSB speed? and is there an AGP slot? |
| 07:39.08 | Balsaq | i think 133 |
| 07:39.10 | xeon-enouf | !mercurial |
| 07:39.11 | dpkg | somebody said mercurial was a distributed cross-platform revision control system, packaged for Debian. http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/ #mercurial on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:39.16 | Balsaq | 512 cache |
| 07:39.23 | flaccid | thanks y0 |
| 07:39.24 | Balsaq | which was aton 11 years ago |
| 07:39.54 | Balsaq | agb slot? let me get the book |
| 07:39.58 | gullstein | I made a raid0 array md0 containing a swap partition made out of disk sdb1. I then have ben trying to add sda1 into the same array with no luck. Anyone know what to do? |
| 07:40.07 | Balsaq | got 8mc ati agp |
| 07:40.18 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: likely 100/133, but those older Dells/Compaqs also used 66, but well, a 400MHz CPU should be doing 100FSB |
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| 07:40.39 | flaccid | when trying to install python-imaging with apt i get: pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files |
| 07:40.47 | Balsaq | yeah one stick was 100 one 133 and they run at the lowest one i think |
| 07:41.09 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: yep |
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| 07:41.41 | Balsaq | but i was in here and doing a word doc and on crucial ram site at once |
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| 07:41.52 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: 512 is the L2cache, and yes, much better than Celery :-p |
| 07:42.04 | Balsaq | it runs but i want more speed |
| 07:42.11 | xeon-enouf | dumpster |
| 07:42.22 | flaccid | how can i force install this python-imaging package ? |
| 07:42.31 | Balsaq | i can tbear to dump it |
| 07:42.37 | Balsaq | cant* |
| 07:42.42 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: look what i found in the trash; Current Speed: 1700 MHz Speed: 400 MHz (2.5 ns) |
| 07:42.50 | xeon-enouf | x2 |
| 07:43.00 | Balsaq | whew |
| 07:43.13 | Balsaq | i can also get free business dells at work |
| 07:43.33 | Balsaq | with a letter from a non profit company i work with |
| 07:43.40 | xeon-enouf | [ 0.004537] CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available |
| 07:43.48 | xeon-enouf | [ 0.004000] CPU1: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available |
| 07:43.53 | Balsaq | ok thats me! |
| 07:44.10 | xeon-enouf | [ 0.189203] checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 -> CPU#1]: passed. |
| 07:44.10 | xeon-enouf | [ 0.192239] Brought up 2 CPUs |
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| 07:45.29 | Balsaq | xeon: what do you think of those athlon dual cores |
| 07:45.35 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: btw - this is a Dell Precision :-P |
| 07:45.54 | Balsaq | do you like athlon dual? |
| 07:46.14 | xeon-enouf | http://pompone.cs.ucsb.edu/admin/530_Workstation/index.htm specifically Balsaq |
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| 07:47.06 | xeon-enouf | has a s754 amd64 3000+ w/mainboard -- yet to be assembled |
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| 07:47.12 | Balsaq | those things are powerhouses we have em at work |
| 07:47.44 | xeon-enouf | and proprietary PSUs :-p |
| 07:47.56 | Balsaq | i asked because BB has them new -lappers athlon dual 2.1 4g ram for 450 |
| 07:48.08 | Balsaq | tempting |
| 07:48.25 | Jemt | BB - is that a brand or store? |
| 07:48.48 | Balsaq | best buy store packaged in anew gatewat lapper for 450 |
| 07:49.01 | Jemt | gatewat? |
| 07:49.06 | Jemt | Never heard of it |
| 07:49.10 | Balsaq | temting gateway computers |
| 07:49.19 | Balsaq | like a dell typpe thing |
| 07:49.40 | Balsaq | gateway competes against dell |
| 07:49.46 | xeon-enouf | BB == WorstBuy Jemt ;-) |
| 07:49.52 | Jemt | Okay. You usually get what you pay for. I just bought the new Mac Book Pro |
| 07:49.54 | Balsaq | never had an athlon |
| 07:50.06 | Balsaq | on a g4 now love it |
| 07:50.06 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: Hehe, afraid so too |
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| 07:50.21 | Balsaq | love our apple |
| 07:50.31 | Jemt | Balsaq: Yes, pretty decent pc |
| 07:50.47 | Balsaq | runs like heck with 1,2 and 512ram? |
| 07:51.00 | Balsaq | 4 years old... |
| 07:51.07 | Balsaq | at least love it |
| 07:51.12 | Jemt | LOL |
| 07:51.27 | Balsaq | but i like to try to make cheapies run good too for fun |
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| 07:51.46 | xeon-enouf | Balsaq: 23:49 < Balsaq> i asked because BB has them new -lappers athlon dual 2.1 4g ram for 450 <--some of those deals are sweet (for it being a craptop) |
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| 07:52.18 | Jemt | Balsaq: Been there too. I wanted all sorts of old computers to run decent with all kind of crappy user interfaces |
| 07:52.19 | Balsaq | i mean how can you dislike a laptop with 15.6 screen 2.1 dual core and 4g ram for 450 |
| 07:52.24 | xeon-enouf | usually comcrud/HP systems, IIRC |
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| 07:52.36 | xeon-enouf | right - point |
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| 07:53.00 | Balsaq | i figute ill paqtition it with one of the linux's and never let windows touch the internet |
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| 07:53.49 | xeon-enouf | 1st thing ; dd if=dev/zero ... :-) |
| 07:53.57 | Jemt | Hehehe |
| 07:54.02 | xeon-enouf | can we talk about Debian now? |
| 07:54.06 | Balsaq | has 320 hd...so i leave crappy window in there for home use and install a fast lil linus Os on a partition so windows never sees the internet |
| 07:55.12 | Balsaq | yes tell me everything about it please ...debian |
| 07:55.36 | xeon-enouf | you have a small Balsaq :-P |
| 07:55.57 | Balsaq | ummm...only after i ru n5 miles |
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| 07:56.16 | Balsaq | in the cold... |
| 07:56.23 | xeon-enouf | or .. return from a cold swim :-O |
| 07:56.28 | Balsaq | debian!!! |
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| 07:57.01 | Balsaq | do ya just put debian in and it works like my ubuntu did |
| 07:57.17 | Balsaq | i even got sound immediately |
| 07:57.47 | Balsaq | or do ya need to be a programmer to use the debian? |
| 07:58.38 | Balsaq | (Balsaq is pronounced Balsa...q is silent) |
| 07:59.02 | Jemt | Balsaq: Go check out the wiki; wiki.debian.org :) |
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| 08:00.38 | Jemt | Balsaq: If you have NO expirence with Linux, you might be better of trying out Ubuntu first. That said, I personally prefer Debian. Stability is a priority to me. Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. But the current release of Ubuntu have been out for 5 months now, so it should be decent. Don't EVER install new versions of Ubuntu, they are always full of bugs the first 3 months. |
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| 08:01.14 | Balsaq | boy i screwed up then bigtime... |
| 08:01.40 | Jemt | Balsaq: By the way, the Ubuntu team has a small dist called Xubuntu for small laptops such as yours |
| 08:01.41 | Jemt | Try it out |
| 08:01.50 | Jemt | It uses Xfce for the user interface, if I'm not mistaken |
| 08:02.32 | Balsaq | i just threw ubu 810 im my 11 yo dell and it was great and upgradedto904 and it slowed it down a little |
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| 08:03.12 | Jemt | 9.04 ran fine on my Mac when I tested it. But Ubuntu is a bit heavy. Use Xubuntu |
| 08:03.12 | xeon-enouf | feels like he's in an AOL room or something |
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| 08:03.22 | Balsaq | dumped w98 on a whim 4 days ago so sick of it |
| 08:03.23 | liable | lol |
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| 08:04.16 | Balsaq | but people all over lovr debian is it beacuase you progrm ot ypurself or something |
| 08:04.23 | Guerin | Balsaq: welcome to our humble century, O ancient one visitor from the past. |
| 08:04.24 | xeon-enouf | there's no faster PDF app than adobe reader 4.0 on win98 :-P |
| 08:04.35 | Guerin | oops, i mean 'milennium' |
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| 08:04.51 | Balsaq | i love it here |
| 08:05.05 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with starting out with debian ;). |
| 08:05.08 | Balsaq | thank you Guerin |
| 08:05.41 | simonrvn | did |
| 08:05.57 | lxsameer | hi , my laptop synaptic does not accept click , it just move the curses where should i look for problem |
| 08:06.01 | Balsaq | id debiam like old school |
| 08:06.11 | Balsaq | id means is |
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| 08:06.48 | Guerin | debian is like, old skool, dude |
| 08:06.57 | Guerin | it's older than Jay-Z an' shit |
| 08:07.02 | maxagaz | how to find the last modified files in a directory including its subdirectories ? |
| 08:07.21 | Balsaq | so i gotta be kind of a programmer guy huh |
| 08:07.26 | xeon-enouf | find and -mtime |
| 08:07.32 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: |
| 08:07.33 | Guerin | Balsaq: no, but you do need to be able to read. |
| 08:07.47 | Guerin | if you can read, you can run debian |
| 08:08.02 | Balsaq | lxsameer needs help ill shut up |
| 08:08.21 | simonrvn | is no programmer ... |
| 08:08.29 | xeon-enouf | !synaptics |
| 08:08.30 | dpkg | synaptics is, like, a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 08:08.35 | xeon-enouf | lxsameer: ^^^ |
| 08:08.38 | Guerin | gave up learning to program on the fifth attempt |
| 08:08.59 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, nice.. find ./ -mtime -1 |
| 08:09.05 | xeon-enouf | couldn't program himself out of a paper bag |
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| 08:09.22 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, how to see other info than the /path/name ? |
| 08:09.39 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, like, the size, last modif date ? |
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| 08:09.46 | xeon-enouf | maxagaz: well, which other info? add -ls |
| 08:10.10 | xeon-enouf | you can also use printf "options" |
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| 08:10.41 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, can you give me an example ? |
| 08:10.48 | g00se | I'd like to be able to make mlocate read an 'old style' locate db. Is this possible? |
| 08:10.53 | llutz | maxagaz: find ./ -mtime -1 -ls |
| 08:11.06 | xeon-enouf | you can work it out - if you get stuck - we might help |
| 08:11.15 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, also, can i check who is the last person who changed the listed files ? |
| 08:11.33 | xeon-enouf | hrm |
| 08:11.35 | maxagaz | llutz, i meant with printf "options" |
| 08:11.54 | xeon-enouf | you both can drop the / |
| 08:11.59 | simonrvn | so edit that ... |
| 08:12.04 | simonrvn | man find |
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| 08:12.40 | llutz | copy&paste, sry |
| 08:14.10 | maxagaz | xeon-enouf, ok, i got it, thanks a lot |
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| 08:14.48 | unitypunk_ | howcome when i go to adjust the resolution no options are available |
| 08:15.51 | xeon-enouf | unitypunk_: wrong OS? |
| 08:15.59 | g00se | I think i might try debootstrap to get an old locate. What's the tiniest i could debootstrap? |
| 08:16.00 | unitypunk_ | eh?> |
| 08:16.04 | unitypunk_ | i tihnk not! |
| 08:16.15 | unitypunk_ | i just installed debian. |
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| 08:18.22 | gullstein | I made a raid0 array md0 containing a swap partition made out of disk sdb1. I then have ben trying to add sda1 into the same array with no luck. Anyone know what to do? |
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| 08:19.38 | xeon-enouf | gullstein: how did you make md0? |
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| 08:24.38 | gullstein | xeon-enouf: mdadm --force --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=0 --raid-devices=1 /dev/hdb1 |
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| 08:30.21 | gullstein | xeon-enouf: then later on tryed mdadm --grow -n3 /dev/md0 and mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
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| 08:32.59 | Lenis | aa |
| 08:33.05 | Lenis | ups |
| 08:33.06 | Lenis | sorry |
| 08:33.09 | xeon-enouf | gullstein: your initial command should've had a <> |
| 08:33.33 | xeon-enouf | and --raid-devices=2 |
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| 08:35.17 | gullstein | xeon-enouf: I did the same with md1 and added the sda2 after copy everything over to md1 (ext4 raid1) and it works perfect |
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| 08:36.15 | gullstein | only the md0 swap raid0 fails. So how can I delete the array and start from scratch? |
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| 08:37.02 | Arafangion | What do people here use for fairly ordinary backups? |
| 08:37.12 | the-dude | Arafangion: backuppc |
| 08:37.14 | Arafangion | Plain old tar? A custom script around plain old tar? backup-manager? |
| 08:37.23 | Arafangion | the-dude: Why do you like backuppc? |
| 08:38.00 | xeon-enouf | or "missing" rather than <> |
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| 08:38.28 | xeon-enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/mdadm/ |
| 08:38.29 | the-dude | Arafangion: easy, effecient, highly configurable , multi os-client |
| 08:38.32 | ethanol | is core2duo amd64 or i386? |
| 08:38.58 | OpenTokix | ethanol: amd64 |
| 08:39.00 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: both |
| 08:39.05 | ethanol | I see |
| 08:39.15 | ethanol | depends if I want 64 of 32 bit |
| 08:39.29 | gullstein | xeon-enouf: Yes I learned about using the missing option after I created the array, I was a litle too eager to get it to work. |
| 08:39.32 | Arafangion | the-dude: Looks decent, I should probably say that this will be used just to backup a single file server, though. :) |
| 08:39.56 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: i386 is 32bit x86 -- amd64 is 64bit x86 |
| 08:40.31 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: yes, and I suppose 32bit is overal more compatible. but all I need to run is httpd, ftp and mysql. I take it that will work just fine? |
| 08:40.37 | ethanol | xeon-enouf: on 64bit that is. |
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| 08:41.10 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: things like dirvish, amanda, just plain rsync, etc |
| 08:41.19 | petern_ | 64 bit works fine... |
| 08:41.44 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: My previous system, which I am replacing, used plain rsync, but I've found that doesn't scale terribly well anymore. |
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| 08:42.14 | xeon-enouf | ethanol: sure, it's mostly Desktop things that had/have issues with 64bit versions |
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| 08:42.14 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: That is, the "building file list..." stage often takes up much more time than the backup itself, sometimes way, way too much time. |
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| 08:42.27 | ethanol | cheers |
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| 08:42.45 | petern_ | It's pretty much only proprietory software that has issues with 64 bit. |
| 08:42.55 | xeon-enouf | yeah |
| 08:43.13 | petern_ | Some older badly written software too, but that can be fixed. |
| 08:43.22 | petern_ | (And probably has been by now) |
| 08:43.23 | Arafangion | With few exceptions... Linux supported 64-bit *long* before amd64 entered the scene. |
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| 08:43.49 | xeon-enouf | Arafangion: cause it wasn't x86 :-p |
| 08:44.02 | Arafangion | There was that :) |
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| 08:44.27 | Arafangion | I wonder what the computing world would be like if amd64 never came. |
| 08:44.41 | petern_ | It worked well enough on the Alphas I had |
| 08:44.41 | Arafangion | Would we be all using IA64 or some other system, or? |
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| 08:45.15 | xeon-enouf | nah, same as now, mostly 32bit :-p |
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| 08:45.57 | xeon-enouf | itaniums are worse than early Apples, just too darned expensive :-) |
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| 08:46.36 | Arafangion | Well, I wonder if we'd be running 64-bit systems with "32-bit virtual machine support". |
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| 08:47.12 | Arafangion | I guess hardware has outpaced modern needs. |
| 08:47.20 | jelly-home | bits are irrelevant |
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| 08:47.48 | Arafangion | jelly-home: It's *nice* to have all that address space available, though. |
| 08:47.55 | jelly-home | who cares! |
| 08:48.04 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I do! |
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| 08:48.33 | jelly-home | my software runs well even in 3GB/process |
| 08:48.42 | jelly-home | only Oracle cares |
| 08:48.47 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 08:49.07 | xeon-enouf | !blame oracle |
| 08:49.07 | dpkg | blames LoRez and oracle for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 08:49.37 | Arrowmaster | i think my firefox is running at 3GB/process right now |
| 08:49.48 | Arrowmaster | opens way too many tabs and doesnt close them |
| 08:49.54 | jelly-home | (in fact, some of my perl scripts run faster and take less ram under i386 than with 64bit perl under amd64) |
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| 08:50.22 | Arafangion | jelly-home: How well do your perl scripts handle your 8GB disk images, though? |
| 08:50.39 | jelly-home | what images? |
| 08:50.55 | Arafangion | DVD images are at least 4.8GB. |
| 08:50.56 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: well, FF/IW eats systems and their resources for a snack :-p |
| 08:51.10 | jelly-home | Arafangion: and? |
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| 08:51.33 | Arafangion | jelly-home: It's convenient to just mmap() the whole darn file! |
| 08:51.35 | jelly-home | you don't need to mmap() them to use 'em |
| 08:51.43 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: don;t ever offer it a meal :-) |
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| 08:52.03 | Arrowmaster | xeon-enouf: i havent had any issues with it except for flash sucking majorly on amd64, but my new system is a beast |
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| 08:52.19 | jelly-home | Arafangion: I suppose you'll wait for 32GB RAM to play BD! |
| 08:52.39 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I am infact, planning on 12GB of ram for my next system. |
| 08:52.57 | Arafangion | jelly-home: But that's got nothing to do with the address space. |
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| 08:56.30 | xeon-enouf | firefox-bin 1 18h45m10s 1h06m12s 122.45 MiB Xorg 1 3m46s 1m00s 38.86 MiB |
| 08:56.58 | xeon-enouf | firepoop is always the largest pig on my systems |
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| 08:57.15 | Arafangion | At work, firefox's merely one of the better-citizens. :( |
| 08:57.21 | Arafangion | My fricking email app is the pig. :( |
| 08:57.46 | Arafangion | (I suspect that it doesn't know that it is an email app, though... Much to my annoyance.) |
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| 08:58.31 | Arafangion | (And is infact, the sole reason why computers get upgraded) |
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| 08:59.31 | valdyn | 539m 187m 15m S 0 2.3 0:48.09 sylpheed |
| 08:59.47 | valdyn | ( and thats not more than mutt would use ) |
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| 09:00.02 | xeon-enouf | use webmail! |
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| 09:00.45 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: I've considered that, but webmail has poor calendering, and instant messaging functionality. :( |
| 09:01.02 | xeon-enouf | except .. that requires ... firepoop |
| 09:01.19 | xeon-enouf | or some other bloated monster |
| 09:01.22 | Arafangion | Firefox probably uses close to *half* of this particular pig. (Hint: It's not outlook) |
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| 09:02.18 | Arafangion | (It's Lotus Notes - and they evidently don't think they're bad enough so they cloned OpenOffice, re-themed it, made it slower and less portable, and provided that as well, for good measure!) |
| 09:02.35 | xeon-enouf | eww |
| 09:03.04 | xeon-enouf | hasn't heard about anything lotus since windows 98 times |
| 09:03.11 | Arafangion | As a result, my at the time 8-year-old linux system would run faster and smoother than my quad-core Xeon 5345 system. |
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| 09:04.14 | xeon-enouf | haha - yep - that's why my pII ran circles around Dell Celeries 2.2GHz running XPoop |
| 09:04.14 | Arafangion | Well, Notes's *only* saving grace is good calendaring support. :( |
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| 09:09.45 | hanibana | hi all |
| 09:09.57 | hanibana | I want to find out LDAP cache usage... |
| 09:10.05 | hanibana | is there way? |
| 09:10.29 | hanibana | LDAP or any other application. |
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| 09:12.51 | lhogie | hi guys! how to list the files that have been installed during an "apt-get install" operation? |
| 09:13.14 | humbolt | nfsv4 is somewhat complicated! |
| 09:13.24 | cafaro | Hi, i installed debian 5 using a net-inst disc, on a toshiba notebook (as dualboot with vista), everything went thing, installed grub etc., when i restarted after the installation, grub shows the options Debian and Debian (single user) twice, which is odd? so i just booted the first debian entry, everything seems to be going well, untill i get a black screen (after ~10 secs), this happened to all the debian entries, what could be the problem, some hard |
| 09:14.18 | humbolt | I am simply trying to export specific dirs to specific systems and to these systems only. one VM can only mount one nfs share. But I don't get it right! |
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| 09:15.06 | humbolt | tried almost all combinations of subtree_check, crossmnt, ... |
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| 09:15.40 | humbolt | how do I actually apply the new settings in /etc/exports to my nfs server? I used exportfs -ra |
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| 09:16.51 | OpenTokix | cafaro: sounds like you hafe problems with graphics drivers, - when it goes black - can you try pressing ctrl + alt + f1 and se if you get to a cli-prompt? |
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| 09:17.05 | cafaro | ok |
| 09:17.05 | xeon-enouf | hanibana: not sure what you mean ... maybe try meminfo after reading this; http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
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| 09:19.14 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: Yes, the secondary 'single' entry is normal and there for (recovery) |
| 09:19.37 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: yes i know, but they appear twice, so 4 entries total |
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| 09:19.52 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: well, different kernel versions? |
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| 09:19.58 | cafaro | nope |
| 09:20.43 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: can you show us your kernel line? |
| 09:20.58 | cafaro | ok |
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| 09:24.29 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: kernel 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 09:25.50 | cafaro | OpenTokix: nothing happens when I do ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 09:25.53 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: i meant more like this; "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro acpi=force vga=791" in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 09:26.23 | OpenTokix | cafaro: ok |
| 09:26.30 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: i'm thinking you have some (console) font issues |
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| 09:27.02 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: /msg dpkg bootlogd ; /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 09:27.31 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet |
| 09:28.53 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: where do i do that? grub command line? |
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| 09:28.56 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: you want to remove that 'quiet' |
| 09:29.03 | xeon-enouf | so you can see what's happening |
| 09:29.25 | xeon-enouf | !tell cafaro about msgthebot |
| 09:29.26 | cafaro | 'quiet' or 'ro quiet' ? |
| 09:29.31 | xeon-enouf | !+tell cafaro about msgthebot |
| 09:29.31 | dpkg | told cafaro about msgthebot (Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>) |
| 09:29.43 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: leave the ro |
| 09:29.55 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: ro == read only |
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| 09:30.02 | cafaro | ok |
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| 09:30.25 | xeon-enouf | quiet suppresses kernel printk messages |
| 09:31.02 | cafaro | still get a black screen |
| 09:31.08 | cafaro | didn't see any errors i guess |
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| 09:31.28 | xeon-enouf | well, when does it go blank? precisely when |
| 09:31.50 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: also, you can hit Scrolllock to temp pause the Boot process |
| 09:31.56 | cafaro | ok |
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| 09:32.27 | yucatan1 | is it posseble to install VMware Tools in debian ? |
| 09:32.29 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: perhaps you have a digital camera? take a pic? upload it to picpaste.com? |
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| 09:32.52 | xeon-enouf | yucatan1: probably - tried #vmware ? |
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| 09:33.05 | yucatan1 | yeah i tryed |
| 09:33.10 | yucatan1 | but they sad i need to be here |
| 09:33.16 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 09:33.21 | xeon-enouf | !vmware |
| 09:33.21 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
| 09:33.24 | yucatan1 | because vmware is just the software and i wanne run it on debian |
| 09:33.42 | yucatan1 | thats not what i want. |
| 09:33.43 | xeon-enouf | try vbox ;-) |
| 09:33.46 | yucatan1 | no |
| 09:33.49 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 09:33.51 | yucatan1 | i have a windows machine |
| 09:33.56 | yucatan1 | with vmware running |
| 09:33.57 | xeon-enouf | so? |
| 09:34.04 | yucatan1 | i wanne install debian in that virtual machine |
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| 09:34.10 | xeon-enouf | stop hitting enter so much ...as well |
| 09:34.19 | humbolt | I need help with nfsv4! |
| 09:34.24 | xeon-enouf | so. install it |
| 09:34.29 | yucatan1 | okee |
| 09:34.30 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: ok, i don't have scrolllock btw |
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| 09:35.07 | negge | I just installed compiz-fusion and fusion-icon so that I can easily switch between Compiz and Metacity. My problem is that when I'm using Compiz, I cannot change how many workspaces I want, and most keyboard shortcuts from System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts are simply gone. If I switch back to Metacity they all magically reappear. What's going on? |
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| 09:35.41 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: you must - between PrintScrn/SysRQ and Pause/Break? |
| 09:35.53 | petern_ | You really need to show off to people enough to keep switching to Compiz? |
| 09:36.02 | cafaro | xeon-enouf no |
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| 09:36.39 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: maybe you implement it with Fn+Something ? |
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| 09:37.21 | negge | petern_: no it's not like that. I usually run Compiz all the time |
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| 09:39.00 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: i'm thinking, (in this order) a)some weirdo console font issue b) APCI issue; boot using 'acpi=off' maybe even add 'noapic' c) udev issue d) Video driver / VGA issue e) Firmware |
| 09:39.26 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: ij |
| 09:39.32 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: ok* |
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| 09:43.11 | liable | jeez, they're still at it |
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| 09:44.13 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: acpi? or apci? |
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| 09:45.10 | xeon-enouf | 'acpi=off' maybe even add 'noapic' cafaro |
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| 09:46.27 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 09:50.32 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: i think i get a black screen somewhere when i see 'display', not sure because it goes really fast.. |
| 09:50.55 | cafaro | be back in 30mins |
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| 09:51.54 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: only other thing i can offer/suggest without more info is a) /msg dpkg laptop b) /msg dpkg kmuto c) /msg dpkg squeeze |
| 09:53.19 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: maybe go to sysresccd.org or grml.org or /msg dpkg debian-live and boot a livecd just to get sysmtem info, like lspci, lsmod, dmesg |
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| 09:58.44 | codingrobot | does anyone have an idea why debian switches to tty2 after booting? this happens since i updated squeeze a few days ago. |
| 09:58.55 | codingrobot | this happens in single user mode too |
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| 10:00.30 | Jemt | Hello again. I have just set up sshfs on my Lenny. I'm having problems writing/changing files. I can only read them. Can someone help me? The user used to log on to the server has write access, and it works fine using ordinary ssh. sshfs/sftp dosn't allow me to change files. |
| 10:01.31 | Jemt | What?? Sorry, wait a second. Something is wrong on the server |
| 10:01.35 | Andorin | Is there any way to be able to take a screenshot while a menu is open? |
| 10:01.39 | Jemt | My USB disk is suddently mounted as read only! |
| 10:01.59 | Jemt | I think it does that, because it goes to sleep. How can I make it re-mount as writable, if it needs to ? |
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| 10:02.23 | jham | guys, could anyone tell me, how to turn of the screen (like xset does) but without starting the xserver? |
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| 10:03.23 | xeon-enouf | jham: /msg dpkg blank |
| 10:03.35 | xeon-enouf | basically setterm |
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| 10:03.49 | jham | xeon-enouf: thank you, i'll google about |
| 10:03.59 | themill | Andorin: ksnapshot can certainly do that (set it up to do a delayed snapshot). Presumably other screenshot programs can do the same. /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 10:04.00 | xeon-enouf | jham: no need |
| 10:04.09 | xeon-enouf | !+blank |
| 10:04.09 | dpkg | a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh Also see <dpms> for X blanking |
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| 10:04.36 | jham | hmm, okay thank you, xeon-enouf |
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| 10:04.41 | xeon-enouf | wait, DPMS isn;t just for X |
| 10:04.51 | xeon-enouf | wtf with that factoid? |
| 10:05.46 | Jemt | xeon-enouf: That not the first incorrect factoid I have seen. I usually just correct it whenever I run into one |
| 10:06.01 | themill | It's also not incorrect. |
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| 10:07.07 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: blank =~ s/for X blanking// |
| 10:07.08 | dpkg | xeon-enouf: OK |
| 10:07.13 | Andorin | themill: Thanks. |
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| 10:08.09 | xeon-enouf | themill: so .. what are all those DPMS things in /etc/console*/config ? |
| 10:08.12 | themill | dpkg, no blank is <reply> see screen blanking |
| 10:08.12 | dpkg | themill: okay |
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| 10:09.30 | Jemt | Bugger, it seems I'm not the only one having problems with mounted disks re-mounting as read-only, if they go into sleep mode |
| 10:09.39 | Jemt | No solution found though |
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| 10:10.13 | themill | xeon-enouf: While it may not have been worded brilliantly, it was not incorrect. It never said that DPMS was *not* for console blanking (DPMS is disabled for consoles in the default configuration) just that it is normally the knob that you want to twiddle for X blanking. |
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| 10:10.44 | Jemt | It seems to be a problem with Seagate USB disks and older Maxtor USB disks |
| 10:11.10 | Andorin | themill: Think ksnapshot will run fine in GNOME? |
| 10:11.11 | xeon-enouf | 02:11 < themill> xeon-enouf: While it may not have been worded brilliantly, it was not incorrect. <-- i concur |
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| 10:11.37 | xeon-enouf | themill: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1584061 was just making my point ;-) |
| 10:11.38 | themill | Andorin: should do, but there's a gnome-ish alternative that should also do what you want. |
| 10:12.14 | Andorin | !screenshot |
| 10:12.14 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
| 10:12.19 | xeon-enouf | (since all my regular files, that you'll find in Lenny are all gone in Sid) |
| 10:12.34 | Andorin | gnome-panel-screenshot is the first one I went for, but apparently it's a command line program and it doesn't satisfy my needs. |
| 10:13.31 | Jemt | Hm, I think I'll just implement a simple hack that writes a small amount of data to my external drive, then sleeps for 3 minutes, and writes some data again - looping. That should disable the standby functionality |
| 10:14.23 | Jemt | Writing a rule is probably the right solution, or trying to disable the sleep mode using hdparm or something like that. But the hack is easier - quick and dirty |
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| 10:14.55 | humbolt | when expanding an ext3 fs, I always have to do an fsck before that, right? how about xfs? is that better in this concern? |
| 10:15.28 | idimmu | humbolt: its always a good idea to make sure the partition you're expanding isn't corrupt in some way |
| 10:15.33 | humbolt | I have to eventually expand my fs while in production and I want to spare me the fsck downtime. |
| 10:16.00 | jelly | humbolt: fsck is recommended, but you can do resize2fs online in which case there's obviously no fsck |
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| 10:17.27 | jelly | humbolt: the prequisite is you've mkfsed with -O resize_inode (which is default since ~etch) |
| 10:17.54 | humbolt | idimmu: well, for a 1TB fs, that might take a while |
| 10:17.55 | humbolt | idimmu: it is inpractical to have my webserver offline for that extended amount of time. |
| 10:17.55 | idimmu | you can run most checks on a mounted fs |
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| 10:18.12 | jham | xeon-enouf: well, seems that acutally it doesn't turnoff the screen in hardware meaning. it just makes it show black screen, but not actually off |
| 10:18.30 | jham | btw, how the heck do i leave the -blank force? :) |
| 10:19.01 | humbolt | idimmu: but when the fs is still mounted, that means my server is still in use, and resize2fs might complain again, as data changed since the check has started. |
| 10:19.16 | humbolt | jelly: what about xfs, is it better in these matters? |
| 10:19.20 | niklaswe | hmm is it in ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins i should put libflashplayer.so or in ~/.mozilla/plugins.. |
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| 10:19.45 | humbolt | ext4 checks quickly as far as I know, but it is not production stable, or is it? |
| 10:20.02 | humbolt | is it in some OS other than lenny?! |
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| 10:20.08 | yucatan1 | when i try to install vmware i get this error http://nopaste.com/p/aBbV3Xi7C is there somebody that knows a sollution for this problem? |
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| 10:21.34 | idimmu | humbolt: iir reiser is EXCEPTIONAL in these matters |
| 10:21.41 | jelly | humbolt: no experience with xfs here, sorry |
| 10:22.00 | idimmu | i remember doing a reiser resize to a live fs a while ago and it just worked (tm) |
| 10:22.25 | humbolt | idimmu: lost enough data due to reiser already, not interested. And as far as I know, the only guy knowing it well is in jail. |
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| 10:23.06 | themill | yucatan1: /msg dpkg vmware compiler fix ; You might want to look at the vmware-package package or try asking #vmware |
| 10:23.21 | idimmu | we ran it on over 100 production servers for something like 8 years without losing any data to it |
| 10:23.33 | idimmu | (we did then move to xfs tho for performance reasons) |
| 10:23.58 | mhymn | niklaswe: i've put in the second path |
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| 10:24.23 | mhymn | niklaswe: a matter of trial & error ;) |
| 10:25.03 | yucatan1 | can u tell me a bit more about vmware-paackage |
| 10:25.13 | mesa_booger | humbolt: ext4 is a bit too new to be fully bedded in. xfs is nice and fast, but you need industrial strength UPS or you will lose data in the event of power loss or a hard crash |
| 10:25.18 | yucatan1 | i see on google that i can use apt-get install vmware-package that it says package not found |
| 10:25.22 | themill | dpkg: tell yucatan1 about vmware-package |
| 10:25.37 | themill | judd versions vmware-package |
| 10:25.38 | judd | themill: vmware-package -- sid/contrib: 0.22 |
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| 10:26.15 | Jemt | Is it possible to start a shell script using SSH, and then leave that application running after I quite the SSH session? I know I could use screen, but that's not what I want |
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| 10:26.15 | yucatan1 | hmm interesting |
| 10:26.15 | mhymn | yucatan1: mind telling why not using virtualbox? |
| 10:26.15 | mesa_booger | humbolt: which really only leaves ext3 for the time being. it is stable, reliable and reasonably fast |
| 10:26.15 | yucatan1 | i already know irtualbox |
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| 10:26.16 | yucatan1 | virtualbox |
| 10:26.23 | yucatan1 | i need vmware for school:P\ |
| 10:26.42 | humbolt | except for the fsck bullshit |
| 10:26.43 | themill | yucatan1: vmware-package is deliberately kept out of debian testing and stable as it needs to be updated regularly to match new versions of vmware as they are released. |
| 10:26.49 | humbolt | ups, language |
| 10:26.52 | nsadmin | yucatan1: see if you can buy the student edition |
| 10:27.08 | yucatan1 | studaent edition of what? |
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| 10:27.38 | nsadmin | of what you need for school (WHY can't people follow discussions?) |
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| 10:27.47 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: my laptop is similar to the one discussed here: http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=174873 |
| 10:27.55 | yucatan1 | vmware |
| 10:28.03 | mesa_booger | humbolt: if you don't like the answers, don't bother asking the questions |
| 10:28.03 | mhymn | nsadmin: to enlarge the log files? |
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| 10:28.54 | yucatan1 | the assignment is that i need to install debian in vmware i hae vmware running on my computer i need to install debian in the vm and then install vmware tools |
| 10:29.29 | nsadmin | yucatan1: so does the school provide vmware? |
| 10:29.31 | themill | nsadmin: he obviously already has vmware -- why are you telling him to go and buy the student edition? |
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| 10:30.06 | nsadmin | oh he does? he keeps saying he needs it |
| 10:30.28 | themill | nsadmin: he's needs to *install* it. Read his question and look at his paste. |
| 10:30.44 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:31.18 | yucatan1 | sorry my english is not that good:P |
| 10:31.32 | yucatan1 | but my piont is that i wanne install vmware-tools in debian and i cant get it done |
| 10:31.47 | yucatan1 | can u guys pleas explane a bit more aboutht he possebility's |
| 10:32.35 | yucatan1 | i can try debian SID with debian-package |
| 10:32.46 | yucatan1 | is there not a way i can use the vmware-package in debian stable |
| 10:32.55 | yucatan1 | if i manual download it or something like that ? |
| 10:33.30 | themill | yucatan1: you should be able to backport it easily enough, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:33.43 | mhymn | smells as if you're probably not going to finish your assignment |
| 10:34.04 | themill | (or just ignore vmware-package and /msg dpkg vmware compiler fix) |
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| 10:35.00 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: yikes |
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| 10:36.09 | nsadmin | maybe someone should ban the nick... |
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| 10:36.21 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: might be some whacko Toshiba ACPI DSDTs and it's interaction with the kernel - i'd file a bug report (bugzilla.kernel.org) - but only after some more tests |
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| 10:37.10 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: ok, I just tried a ubuntu live cd, and i also get a black screen |
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| 10:37.25 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: none of the options i suggested changed anything? or even the error? or how far along it gets before 'going blank'? |
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| 10:37.53 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: how about pulling out some RAM, like the postee there did |
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| 10:38.37 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: ok i will try |
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| 10:39.20 | xeon-enouf | try 'acpi_osi=linux' and then swap with microsoft |
| 10:39.24 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: |
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| 10:41.04 | xeon-enouf | jham: sorry, right, i was looking for DPMS modes, which in Lenny should be settable in /etc/console*/config |
| 10:41.28 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: swap with microsoft? |
| 10:41.30 | xeon-enouf | jham: man setvesablank (very sparse), but try it |
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| 10:41.59 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: try 'acpi_osi=linux' (and if still blanks, then acpi_osi=microsoft |
| 10:42.12 | cafaro | ok |
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| 10:47.47 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: both didn't work |
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| 10:49.12 | xeon-enouf | themill: if ".. DPMS is disabled for consoles in the default configuration ..." how does one enable/set/tune it? (IIRC, lenny has /etc/console*/config for that? and what about for squeeze/sid? /etc/default/console-setup ?) |
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| 10:49.55 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: ok, time to pull some RAM ;-) BTW, how much is installed? how many DIMMs? and how many slots are available? |
| 10:50.32 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: and don't reply 'didn't work', please be as specific as possible |
| 10:50.32 | cafaro | i think 2x2gb |
| 10:51.02 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: also got blank screen there |
| 10:51.02 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: for ex; -> 02:38 < xeon-enouf> cafaro: none of the options i suggested changed anything? or even the error? or how far along it gets before 'going blank'? |
| 10:51.35 | humbolt | so is doing an online fsck on ext3 dangerous, or not? |
| 10:51.43 | cafaro | ok |
| 10:51.44 | humbolt | and if, then why? |
| 10:51.44 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: when it's exactly the same, 'same exact error' suffices, in context |
| 10:52.41 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: for rootfs, you want to atleast remount ro, also, man e2fsck |
| 10:53.14 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: no, root is not my concern. /home and /var are. |
| 10:53.27 | xeon-enouf | (found a nice way to get to a remountable / state easily through using sysrq :-P) |
| 10:53.36 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: I will not need to resize root |
| 10:53.42 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: so umount them, then fsck them |
| 10:53.53 | xeon-enouf | resize? |
| 10:54.21 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: I can't have the downtime necessary to check 1TB of data. |
| 10:55.02 | humbolt | so I need to do online as much as possible |
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| 10:55.07 | xeon-enouf | schedule for it |
| 10:55.26 | xeon-enouf | why do you think it needs it anyway? |
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| 10:56.36 | xeon-enouf | you could atleast setup fstab correctly, and 'touch /forcefsck' so when you upgrade the kernel it'll auto do it on rebooting into new kernel |
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| 10:57.49 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: No way |
| 10:58.11 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: the reasoning behind it is not in question |
| 10:59.05 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: when money resources are tight, you need to compensate with flexibility. |
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| 11:00.31 | Dumb0 | is there someone here who has obtained a LPI certificate ? |
| 11:01.18 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 11:01.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:03.17 | Dumb0 | nsadmin, ok |
| 11:03.49 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: when money is tight, you need to be resourceful ;-) |
| 11:03.53 | nsadmin | just ask your actual question |
| 11:04.11 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: except in the hardware department. |
| 11:04.24 | xeon-enouf | why so? |
| 11:04.40 | xeon-enouf | just go dumpster diving |
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| 11:05.16 | nsadmin | when money is tight, being resourceful in every "department" can help |
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| 11:05.35 | nsadmin | so what's the deal, is #debian under some kind of attack? |
| 11:05.49 | Shadur | ? |
| 11:06.09 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: root server, no access to the premises |
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| 11:11.40 | skyfox | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perl |
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| 11:11.54 | skyfox | trying to dist-upgrade into unstable |
| 11:12.22 | skyfox | what is that and how to fix that? |
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| 11:13.00 | liable | !dbugs 548848 |
| 11:13.04 | dpkg | #548848:G[liblocale-gettext-perl] Perl fails to upgrade "Could not perform immediate configuration" (); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:30:02 UTC [] |
| 11:13.14 | liable | welcome to sid |
| 11:13.24 | skyfox | hmm |
| 11:13.51 | skyfox | i would use testing or lenny, but i need certain updated packages which don't exist them |
| 11:14.06 | skyfox | namely, libsoup 2.27.9 |
| 11:14.11 | floating | tried to install debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso , but right almost in the begin of install I get (process:610): INFO:kbd-mode: setting console mode to unicode (utf-8) (or process 606 or so depending on install options |
| 11:14.12 | liable | then you get to have broken perl as the ying to your yang |
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| 11:14.23 | nsadmin | you also need an ability to search and gather information... support for sid is optional here |
| 11:14.40 | floating | and nothing happens after that, hangs |
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| 11:14.55 | skyfox | maybe i should use testing and install libsoup 2.27.9 from the sources? |
| 11:15.09 | liable | floating: hmm, i saw someone mention that the other day. try an older iso |
| 11:15.17 | nsadmin | you could try that, or try backporting the package |
| 11:15.37 | floating | ah, actually i managed to google this now... I look more info |
| 11:15.50 | skyfox | sure but i am not very good with debian packaging so no thanks |
| 11:15.52 | BackLash|TheFly | Any C enthusiasts out there? |
| 11:16.11 | floating | tried to google with that process:xx first which was unwise |
| 11:16.11 | liable | BackLash|TheFly: in ##c there is |
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| 11:16.20 | nsadmin | I kinda like W |
| 11:16.27 | BackLash|TheFly | oooo good idea :) |
| 11:16.52 | nsadmin | especially when this has been brought to you by the number 42 and the letters C and @ |
| 11:16.56 | nsadmin | W |
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| 11:17.31 | nsadmin | you may or may not like your experience there... |
| 11:17.46 | BackLash|TheFly | what in C? |
| 11:17.59 | nsadmin | in ##c |
| 11:18.09 | BackLash|TheFly | from my experience C programmers love people who are actually trying to learn rather than cut code |
| 11:18.10 | skyfox | nsadmin: oh you mean like backporting the software to use an older version of libsoup? |
| 11:18.10 | BackLash|TheFly | :) |
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| 11:18.31 | liable | its a bit like #bash, dont expect hand holding |
| 11:18.33 | nsadmin | skyfox: no, backporting libsoup |
| 11:19.00 | skyfox | nsadmin: i don't understand the use of the verb backporting in this context |
| 11:19.11 | nsadmin | they are all about portability; implementations schlimplementations |
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| 11:19.38 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 11:19.38 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 11:19.42 | skyfox | nsadmin: the configure script of a software i am trying to compile says that i need libsoup 2.27.9 which is not found in stable nor testing |
| 11:20.15 | skyfox | libsoup 2.28 is found in unstable however |
| 11:20.27 | liable | so is broken perl |
| 11:20.32 | skyfox | uep |
| 11:20.32 | liable | and broken x |
| 11:20.37 | liable | and broken cups |
| 11:20.43 | skyfox | so i would rather use testing or stable |
| 11:20.49 | nsadmin | and broken breakages |
| 11:21.17 | nsadmin | testing might be closer to sid if you have to backport yourself |
| 11:21.49 | skyfox | the only way i see to resolve this is to 1) backport the software to use older version of libsoup found in testing or stable, 2) compile libsoup 2.27.9 from the sources, 3) create a debian package for libsoup 2.27.9 |
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| 11:22.22 | nsadmin | just think... if ubuntu pulls from sid now, they're in for it :P |
| 11:23.04 | nsadmin | skyfox: (3) is what is described by dpkg above |
| 11:23.28 | xeon-enouf | nsadmin: they do, and do their own fixes .. which is what breaks it further :-P |
| 11:23.41 | skyfox | k |
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| 11:24.23 | skyfox | let me try that |
| 11:24.24 | nsadmin | xeon-enouf: which is why most ubuntu users use forks... |
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| 11:24.55 | skyfox | !backport |
| 11:24.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:24.57 | skyfox | !backports |
| 11:24.58 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:25.07 | skyfox | aaah |
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| 11:26.40 | xeon-enouf | !spork nsadmin |
| 11:26.41 | dpkg | tries to stab xeon-enouf with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out xeon-enouf's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 11:26.48 | nsadmin | sometimes a simple sid backport (which is not much more than getting the source from sid and trying to compile it on something other than sid) |
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| 11:27.30 | nsadmin | haHA! I planned for you to attack me with that spork! |
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| 11:29.58 | giaco | hello |
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| 11:30.29 | giaco | is this auth.log line to be considered harmful? Sep 28 06:25:16 XXXX [4967]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 11:30.54 | nsadmin | no, that seems normal |
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| 11:32.30 | xeon-enouf | giaco: that's usually from /etc/cron.daily/find running |
| 11:32.55 | giaco | ok thanks |
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| 11:33.06 | xeon-enouf | giaco: if it happens daily, at same time, bingo |
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| 11:34.58 | giaco | and what about this one? Sep 28 06:25:16 XXXX [4967]: + ??? root:nobody |
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| 11:35.49 | giaco | but there no line on the previous day |
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| 11:40.01 | liable | the oppers must be getting sore fingers by now. kill file must be hge |
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| 11:42.33 | et | how do you manage runlevel scripts? is there something more friendly than update-rc.d |
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| 11:44.17 | liable | !services |
| 11:44.17 | dpkg | services is probably to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 11:44.23 | liable | et: ^^ |
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| 11:45.12 | DeeTah | is there any zsh autocompletion for apt-get packages? |
| 11:45.17 | xeon-enouf | giaco: i see same Date/Time and PID there |
| 11:45.24 | humbolt | what could cause my ssh connections to freeze all the time? |
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| 11:46.13 | xeon-enouf | et: i use rcconf |
| 11:46.25 | xeon-enouf | et: don;t forget to run update-rcconf-guide |
| 11:46.51 | xeon-enouf | DeeTah: might ask in #zsh |
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| 11:47.01 | niklaswe | hmm can i modified .mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat or will it break something? |
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| 11:47.23 | et | DeeTah: for aptitude it's there by default in debian, don't know about apt-get |
| 11:47.24 | xeon-enouf | niklaswe: back it up, hack away |
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| 11:47.44 | xeon-enouf | niklaswe: i've heard the file needs to be update/removed for certain things |
| 11:47.57 | xeon-enouf | s/the/that/ |
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| 11:48.54 | xeon-enouf | giaco: then check the last week, same day (see /etc/cron.* and /etc/crontab) |
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| 11:50.12 | xeon-enouf | giaco: also it might happen if you run updatedb as a regular user, i forget, not sure what other apps/daemons use nobody:nogroup, etc |
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| 11:51.14 | giaco | I'm going to check |
| 11:51.28 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: can you get your foot off that power cord pls ? :) |
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| 11:52.00 | lolufail | hi |
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| 11:52.13 | lolufail | are there any alternatives to dmcrypt? |
| 11:52.22 | lolufail | cryptloop is slow and unreliable afaik |
| 11:52.31 | cuco | hi all, i am using testing, and i cannot load a full kde4 session. running icewm and random applications work without a problem |
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| 11:53.17 | cuco | the machine was installed as a simple install (not tasks) and the installed xorg+kde-full |
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| 11:55.31 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: haha |
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| 11:56.12 | xeon-enouf | giaco: use zless / zgrep on .gz (log) files |
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| 11:56.37 | giaco | xeon-enouf, my logs are not zipped |
| 11:56.42 | ton | Hi. Are anybody using HP SiteScope for monitoring system? |
| 11:56.44 | xeon-enouf | cuco: no 'tasksel' options you mean |
| 11:57.00 | niklaswe | xeon-enouf: hmm okey.. i will se how i will do :p |
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| 11:57.04 | xeon-enouf | cuco: try install kde |
| 11:57.09 | xeon-enouf | er |
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| 11:59.19 | xeon-enouf | cuco: try 'tasksel install standard' ? hrm.. |
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| 12:00.13 | skyfox | http://pastebin.com/d2d2a733f |
| 12:00.20 | mesa_booger | boy oh boy there are *lots* of k-lines. looks like some adhd teenager with a gripe is trying to get even for being called a spotty ubuntard ... |
| 12:00.58 | abrotman | so tell #ubuntu |
| 12:01.10 | skyfox | do i need to install those deps by hand or is there a command line flag? |
| 12:01.17 | abrotman | skyfox: are you mixing versions of debian and/or running unstable ? |
| 12:01.34 | skyfox | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 12:01.45 | abrotman | skyfox: are you trying to backport a package? |
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| 12:01.50 | skyfox | yes |
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| 12:02.11 | liable | uh, have you just installed stable? |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | skyfox: did you have someone check your sources.list ? |
| 12:02.32 | skyfox | http://pastebin.com/d2d0baecd |
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| 12:03.02 | skyfox | i installed stable, then i changed source.list to point to testing and did dist-upgrade, now i have that |
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| 12:03.17 | skyfox | how do i downgrade everything back to lenny? |
| 12:03.21 | skyfox | stable |
| 12:03.23 | liable | just in the last hour? |
| 12:03.27 | skyfox | yes |
| 12:03.27 | lolufail | does dmcrypt support partitions over 15tb? |
| 12:03.31 | lolufail | anyone with experience?? |
| 12:03.37 | liable | you cant downgrade it |
| 12:03.41 | skyfox | ok |
| 12:03.55 | skyfox | so i change source.list to point back to testing |
| 12:03.58 | skyfox | brb |
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| 12:04.26 | Titan8990 | yeah, if you already upgraded to squeeze, you need to change it back and stick with testing |
| 12:04.26 | xeon-enouf | ton: http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN ? |
| 12:04.57 | skyfox | now i have this http://pastebin.com/d52cfc936 |
| 12:05.54 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: you obviously mean Logical Volume or something, not partition, rigjht? or are you referring to GPT? |
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| 12:07.05 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: but i guess i'd ask those things on some linux-* mailing list |
| 12:07.09 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: raid-block-device in my case |
| 12:07.18 | xeon-enouf | mdadm raid? |
| 12:07.24 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: yes |
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| 12:07.59 | skyfox | now it seems to work, thank you |
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| 12:08.21 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: if I have a dmcrypt ontop, mkfs.ext4 throws kernel oopses, if not, it works. |
| 12:08.45 | dank | unison is saying it's finding collisions on files that 100% definitely haven't changed on one end of the transfer... |
| 12:09.10 | lolufail | the only workaround I could think of: 2 partitions, dmcrypt both, lvm over both of them -.- |
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| 12:10.28 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: well, there's the ext4 and device-mapper mailing lists :-P |
| 12:10.54 | RichiH | what is the canonical way to add additional directories to all user's PATH via a custom package? |
| 12:10.58 | ribasushi | why do debian kernels lag so far behind kernel.org (even in unstable) ? |
| 12:11.23 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: not really - see /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 12:11.32 | skyfox | RichiH: you might want to ask that from #ubuntu |
| 12:12.03 | ton | I'm using HP SiteScope 9.52 monitoring system and I have got a lot of false positive alerts.. Mayby somebody have got this problem? |
| 12:12.12 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: it's no ext4 problem ;) |
| 12:12.26 | Titan8990 | RichiH, echo 'PATH=$PATH:/new/path' >> ~/.bashrc |
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| 12:13.54 | xeon-enouf | RichiH: well, PATH gets set in /etc/profile, /etc/login.defs (/etc/pam.d/*) and new users usually get their .bashrc and such from /etc/skel/ and one can tweak /etc/default/useradd (if one uses useradd) or /etc/adduser.conf? (for adduser) |
| 12:14.36 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: you're sure about that? |
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| 12:15.08 | xeon-enouf | ton: i think i saw there's some HP forums linked to from that URL i posted |
| 12:15.20 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: pretty sure... as I said, it works without dmcrypt ;) |
| 12:15.27 | skyfox | is there a configuration option in apt-get to place the deb packages build by `apt-get -b source` into some specific directory? |
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| 12:15.53 | xeon-enouf | lolufail: no, i meant the way it might interact with dmcrypt - try Other FS |
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| 12:16.07 | xeon-enouf | like XFS, JFS, Reiserfs, etc |
| 12:16.27 | smacnay | hmm, perl will not upgrade in Deb sid. Exit code (2). No other info given by aptitude. |
| 12:16.37 | cuco | xeon-enouf: i tried install kde, and it still does not work |
| 12:16.42 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: mkfs.ext4 creates inodes first, if I do xfs, I might notice the problem WAY later, when I actually write data to the drive |
| 12:16.53 | lolufail | xeon-enouf: and about half in creating those inodes, he dies |
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| 12:17.18 | ribasushi | xeon-enouf: fair nuff, thanks |
| 12:17.24 | lolufail | but I could try xfs and fill with /dev/zero files |
| 12:17.30 | ribasushi | or should I say fair enouf :D |
| 12:18.05 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: unfortunately that's a dirty hack - a) you can't presume everyone's using Bash b) suppose there's other settings in their .bashrc that make that entry Null, or even breaks their shell and c) packages shouldn |
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| 12:18.18 | xeon-enouf | erm .. nm c) |
| 12:19.13 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: use testing version? |
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| 12:19.23 | xeon-enouf | ribasushi: heh |
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| 12:25.05 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ hurray im on par in c programming with a middleschooler |
| 12:25.08 | BackLash|TheFly | -.- |
| 12:25.20 | liable | hah |
| 12:25.30 | mesa_booger | RichiH: minimalist PATHs are in /etc/login.defs, they are added to in the "chain", like for example /etc/gdm/Init/Default. messing with PATHs is a bad idea. better to place symlinks in regular dirs |
| 12:25.32 | BackLash|TheFly | i can has create addition calculator |
| 12:25.38 | liable | thats the usual feeling most people get after visiting ##C |
| 12:25.45 | enmerkar | perl/apt in sid is broken, if anybody asks tell them to install http://incoming.debian.org/liblocale-gettext-perl_1.05-6_i386.deb |
| 12:26.06 | RichiH | mesa_booger: afaik, that is not allowed as per debian's best practices |
| 12:26.12 | BackLash|TheFly | hmm no i had no illusions when i started coding that that i know nothing :) |
| 12:26.17 | RichiH | custom packages messing with /usr/bin, that is |
| 12:26.23 | liable | or we could add it to the topic, but for some reason the oppers here dont like doing it.. |
| 12:26.55 | iceroot | is there some tool to create the debian-directory with control, postinst, changelog and so on, for using dpkg-builpackage after? |
| 12:27.10 | RichiH | skyfox: why #ubuntu ? |
| 12:27.10 | RichiH | Titan8990: that is hardly a clean way |
| 12:27.10 | RichiH | (and not for all users) |
| 12:27.29 | abrotman | RichiH: he doesn't know what the word "canonical" means |
| 12:27.38 | liable | iceroot: yes. go read the new maintainers guide |
| 12:27.42 | liable | !nm |
| 12:27.42 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
| 12:27.57 | RichiH | abrotman: aaaaah |
| 12:27.59 | RichiH | makes sense |
| 12:28.05 | skyfox | RichiH: aha i see, Canonical Ltd. eh |
| 12:28.11 | skyfox | my bad |
| 12:28.23 | mesa_booger | RichiH: i have 313 debian violations in my /usr/bin ... |
| 12:28.24 | RichiH | skyfox: :) |
| 12:28.44 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: seen enmerkar's post? |
| 12:28.51 | Roksteady | hmm what would make two different etch machines differ in terms of having vs. not having /sys/class/dmi/id/* ....? |
| 12:29.14 | RichiH | mesa_booger: _custom_ package |
| 12:29.48 | iceroot | liable: i only want to know if there is a tool, not how to became a maintainer :) |
| 12:29.49 | mesa_booger | RichiH: i don't get it. what do you mean ? a replacement for an existing package ? |
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| 12:30.03 | liable | iceroot: yes there is |
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| 12:30.13 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: heh |
| 12:30.23 | liable | iceroot: dm-make |
| 12:30.32 | xeon-enouf | dh_* |
| 12:30.37 | RichiH | mesa_booger: no. we are creating a few packages to install on all machines at our company |
| 12:30.42 | iceroot | liable: thank you |
| 12:30.46 | RichiH | just custom tools for management, etc |
| 12:30.48 | liable | oh right, i thought i got that wrong |
| 12:30.54 | humbolt | I cannot take ownership of a file as root not rm it. File has these permissions: -rwxr-x--- 1 10001 10001 478 2009-09-27 02:51 /mnt/root/var/syscp/fcgi/xxx/asdf.xxx.trickkiste.at/php-fcgi-starter |
| 12:30.56 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: he meant dh_* |
| 12:31.06 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: ok, i will have a look |
| 12:31.10 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: install devscripts pkg and see pbuilder |
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| 12:31.20 | humbolt | how can I get rid of that file |
| 12:31.26 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: and man dh_[TAB][TAB] |
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| 12:32.19 | Titan8990 | humbolt, what is the error? what kind of device is that on? |
| 12:32.19 | mesa_booger | RichiH: right. so add symlinks to /usr/bin. either that, or start messing with login.defs or profile or whatever, and break other stuff. i don't think there *is* a canonical way, and that is why there are so many "violations" |
| 12:32.22 | liable | install devscripts or whatever it is first.. |
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| 12:32.35 | xeon-enouf | iceroot: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 12:33.13 | xeon-enouf | liable: it's easy to remember, dh == deb helper :-p |
| 12:33.16 | humbolt | Titan8990: cannot remove: Operation not permitted |
| 12:33.30 | liable | xeon-enouf: sometimes nothing is easy for me to remember |
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| 12:33.39 | humbolt | Titan8990: it is an ext3 LV mounted rw |
| 12:33.40 | mesa_booger | RichiH: this is in contradistinction to using different symlink names for the same executables, to get differing functionality |
| 12:33.40 | xeon-enouf | !beer liable |
| 12:33.40 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Spaten Optimator for liable |
| 12:33.43 | Titan8990 | humbolt, sounds like the device is read only. what kind of deive? |
| 12:33.44 | Titan8990 | err |
| 12:33.59 | liable | xeon-enouf: thats probably the root of the problem! |
| 12:34.01 | iceroot | xeon-enouf: thank you, i will look at them. the last time i was using vi to write the postinst, control, rules and so on and that was not much fun (but my own deb is working now) :) |
| 12:34.12 | humbolt | Titan8990: no, it is rw |
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| 12:34.56 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: weren't you ghere yesterday with a known compromised box? |
| 12:34.57 | humbolt | xeon-enouf: No |
| 12:34.57 | xeon-enouf | with /bin/ls having weired chattr set? |
| 12:34.57 | xeon-enouf | hrm |
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| 12:35.25 | humbolt | just wrote a file to the partition and removed it again |
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| 12:35.32 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: dmesg | grep -i selinux |
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| 12:35.55 | xeon-enouf | and who is user:group 10001 :-p |
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| 12:36.14 | xeon-enouf | getent passwd | grep 10001 ? |
| 12:36.16 | humbolt | virtual user |
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| 12:36.39 | humbolt | does not live on the OS the partition is mounted to now (Dom0) |
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| 12:37.22 | humbolt | maybe there are some hardlinks or something |
| 12:37.27 | mesa_booger | RichiH: you can have a look in /etc if you like for anything that sets a PATH. grep -Rl PATH /etc, or find /etc -type f -exec grep -l PATH {} \; |
| 12:37.48 | humbolt | I can not think of anything preventing that |
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| 12:38.08 | l403 | hi guys. when I want to get a package from Sid, I can just grab it from ftp? |
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| 12:38.24 | Titan8990 | !tell l403 about ssb |
| 12:38.46 | ranix | judd: versions mt-st |
| 12:38.46 | judd | ranix: mt-st -- etch: 0.9b-3 lenny: 1.1-2 sid: 1.1-4 squeeze: 1.1-4 |
| 12:38.47 | l403 | hey titan |
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| 12:39.48 | humbolt | Titan8990: there must be something with the files. I can rename the containing dirs, but I can not rename the files themselves |
| 12:39.51 | humbolt | weird |
| 12:40.05 | Titan8990 | l403, hey, had the bot send you a pm, that is probably the safest way to grab backages from other trunks |
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| 12:40.22 | xeon-enouf | humbolt: as i said, selinux (or ACLs) would prevent that, but with ACLs i'd expect to see a + next to perms - try getacl-something |
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| 12:41.26 | jelly | does anyone have iptables 1.4.3+ backported for sarge i386? :-) |
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| 12:42.34 | beardy | Why are you.. |
| 12:42.34 | beardy | goes eating. |
| 12:42.38 | l403 | Titan8990, yep yep, see it. thanks |
| 12:43.30 | floating | Hey. I installed the debian testing image. I see that swfdec has been installed by default to watch flash videos, however there is no audio coming out. I looked at the debian sound guide, installed the alsamixers and additional packages, however I didn't start to build things from sources as there are mentioned. I am not sure if that is necessary. (?) Also I am looking for a similar package as ubuntu's "restrcted extras" that installs lots of useful codec |
| 12:44.25 | sphenxes | I would like to install webmin. However, it needs several packages/lib to be installed with it. is there a command that can do that in one step? instead of manually installing the missing lib. |
| 12:44.35 | ranix | sphenxes: do not install webmin |
| 12:44.37 | ranix | >:[\ |
| 12:44.40 | beardy | Yes. rm webmin* |
| 12:45.03 | sphenxes | ranix, beardy why? |
| 12:45.07 | ranix | !webmin |
| 12:45.08 | beardy | !webmin |
| 12:45.08 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 12:45.27 | Arafangion | thinks he's actually done that. |
| 12:45.33 | sphenxes | ic |
| 12:45.54 | beardy | Damn lag! |
| 12:46.01 | beardy | ranix: Apparently you won. |
| 12:46.04 | xeon-enouf | sphenxes: look at syscp perhaps |
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| 12:46.20 | ranix | :) |
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| 13:06.01 | ranix | judd: versions mtl |
| 13:06.03 | judd | ranix: mtl -- |
| 13:06.05 | ranix | judd: versions mt-st |
| 13:06.06 | judd | ranix: mt-st -- etch: 0.9b-3 lenny: 1.1-2 sid: 1.1-4 squeeze: 1.1-4 |
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| 13:06.35 | ranix | are you sure? I just did apt-get source mt-st and it's 1.1-2 |
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| 13:07.19 | ranix | oh, nevermind I did it wrong |
| 13:07.19 | ranix | fff |
| 13:07.40 | mesa_booger | ranix: you have to really shout to make judd listen attentively :) |
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| 13:14.24 | ranix | ffffffff |
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| 13:14.35 | ranix | ok udev is fucking with mt-st and is making a /dev/tape that contains nst0, but there's already a /dev/nst0 and this is completely retarded and useless and breaks mt |
| 13:14.56 | ranix | is there any way to get udev to stop making the /dev/tape directory |
| 13:15.07 | ranix | I NEED /dev/tape to be a simlink to /dev/nst0 |
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| 13:15.55 | ranix | I'm suffering from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499152 |
| 13:16.07 | moty66 | hello, anobody has debian on dell poweredg, I need hints for setting setup debina |
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| 13:18.08 | Titan8990 | moty66, need to be more specific |
| 13:19.00 | abrotman | moty66: put the netinst in, install .. |
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| 13:20.43 | Titan8990 | you may actually need to switch on OS install mode in the bios first.... |
| 13:20.59 | Titan8990 | my dell poweredge has the option but not sure exactly what it accomplishes |
| 13:21.25 | petemc | ive never had to use such a thing |
| 13:21.47 | petemc | biggest potential problem is requiring firmware for the nic |
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| 13:22.00 | moty66 | I bought an old poweredg 1750, i have a cd with debian, i set the cd as primary boot device, but when I restart the server, it won't boot from cd |
| 13:22.13 | petemc | is the cd known to be good? |
| 13:22.20 | Titan8990 | did you set the cd to boot first? did you switch on os install mode? |
| 13:22.26 | Titan8990 | oh |
| 13:22.28 | moty66 | yes |
| 13:22.30 | abrotman | how old is old ? |
| 13:22.31 | Titan8990 | yeah, try OS install mode |
| 13:22.47 | Titan8990 | abrotman, 1750s are not that old, they have dual core xeons |
| 13:22.57 | moty66 | I did, 4 years ago, i guess |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | they may have recycled the numbers |
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| 13:23.15 | Titan8990 | well, right now the 1750s are real popular on ebay for about $100 |
| 13:23.38 | abrotman | cause they're dell |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | hides |
| 13:23.43 | Titan8990 | guess its that time companies are throwing them out |
| 13:23.44 | moty66 | Titan8990: exactly, I bought it from ebay for 200 :P |
| 13:23.45 | Titan8990 | hehe |
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| 13:26.49 | moty66 | I don't remeber well, but someone from #debian told me that I have to patch the firmware, but I can't find anything googleing ! |
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| 13:27.20 | Titan8990 | couldn't say... i just threw pfsense on mine w/o issues |
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| 13:28.43 | moty66 | From dell website, they say that debian is not supported on poweredge 1750 :( |
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| 13:29.23 | petemc | moty66: it should work fine |
| 13:29.54 | moty66 | petemc: I still can't boot from the CD :( |
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| 13:30.16 | abrotman | does it even attempt to spin it up ? |
| 13:30.19 | petemc | moty66: does it boot from other cds? does the debian cd boot in other machines? |
| 13:31.10 | moty66 | petemc: yes, the debian Cd boot on other machines. I will try other cds now |
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| 13:40.30 | moty66 | seems that the server does not spin the cd :( |
| 13:40.38 | gasull__ | hi. I plugged an external drive through usb. How do I know where it is mounted? Thank you in advance. |
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| 13:42.02 | wols | gasull__: it usually isn't mounted at all then. check dmesg to see which dev/XdaX it's using |
| 13:42.20 | wols | to see what disks are mounted, simply run "mount" |
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| 13:43.37 | gasull__ | wols: thanks |
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| 13:46.00 | ranix | I fixed my mt/udev problem |
| 13:46.59 | rdz | hi all. i am running rkhunter on a virtual openvz machine. whenever i migrated, rkhunter reports a lot of changed file properies, due to different inodes. is there way to disable specifically this test? |
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| 13:48.50 | eevar2 | any easy way to echo all terminal i/o to a file? i.e. the output of certain commands, along with how I invocate said commands? |
| 13:49.06 | petemc | script |
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| 13:49.24 | eevar2 | petemc: thanks |
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| 13:55.24 | ranix | During an etch->lenny upgrade, I was prompted to give mysql user 'root' a password, and did so. However, I now wish root to not have a password. How do I remove the root password? |
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| 13:57.07 | santux | what's up raza |
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| 13:57.34 | Titan8990 | ranix, i think you can only use mysqladmin to add/change the root password |
| 13:57.46 | kronic | I'm wanting to mirror just the packages in the Standard System (under tasksel) |
| 13:57.52 | kronic | what's the best way to do this? |
| 13:57.53 | Titan8990 | ranix, i would either have a look at mysqladmin man page or see if you can manually edit the user table: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/adding-users.html |
| 13:58.46 | ranix | I'm not seeing *anything* on google about even how to disable the root password |
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| 13:59.06 | ranix | even updating the users table |
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| 14:02.08 | enmerkar | ranix: #mysql ? |
| 14:02.15 | Titan8990 | ranix, did you look at that link i just put up? |
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| 14:03.01 | Titan8990 | ranix, INSERT INTO user (Host,User,Password) -> VALUES('localhost','root',<don't know what goes here>)); |
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| 14:03.59 | stew | Titan8990: PASSWORD('yourpassword') ; but consider using the grant syntax instead |
| 14:04.24 | Titan8990 | stew, well i knew that if you were assigning password, but he trying to remove the password |
| 14:04.53 | stew | Titan8990: then you want update not insert, and I believe you'd use "PASSWORD('')" |
| 14:06.00 | stew | but yeah, he probably wants #mysql, they'll probably do a better job than we are about criticizing him for not having a root password :) |
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| 14:08.44 | gasull__ | The Linux Partition mini-FAQ recommends mounting /usr as read only. I need to mount it rw now for installing software, but if I try to unmount it first it says "device is busy". Is there any way of doing this without a reboot? thanks |
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| 14:09.22 | Titan8990 | gasull__, where did you find that FAQ? |
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| 14:09.56 | gasull__ | Titan8990: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
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| 14:11.37 | \amethyst | gasull__: mount /usr -o remount,rw |
| 14:11.49 | gasull__ | Titan8990: sb told me here or was in a link sb told me here |
| 14:11.55 | Titan8990 | doesn't sound like a good idea to me unless you were hardening a server to throw in a closet but w/e |
| 14:12.11 | gasull__ | \amethyst: thx |
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| 14:16.54 | ma3x | if i download the full source of 2.6.31.1 kernel and then 2.6.32 comes out, can i just update the files necessary somehow or should i download again the full (new) source |
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| 14:19.07 | the-dude | ma3x: you could use the patches if you are limited on bandwith, otherwise just fetch the whole package |
| 14:19.09 | ma3x | can i just apply the patch of 2.6.32 to 2.6.31.1 source? |
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| 14:19.44 | ma3x | but the patch is so small, aren't there more changes in the new version which take more MBs |
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| 14:19.47 | jelly | ma3x: you'll have to unpatch back to 2.6.31 and use a patch for 2.6.31 -> 2.6.32 |
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| 14:20.24 | ma3x | how can i use the patch for 2.6.32 on 2.6.31 |
| 14:20.35 | jelly | the usual way. |
| 14:20.48 | l403 | when satisfying build dependencies as dpkg sid backports told me, the dependencies can be used and then removed, right? is that a good practice? |
| 14:20.59 | jelly | or are you asking "how to use patch" in gerenal, ma3x? |
| 14:21.18 | ma3x | just to make it clear, if i have for example 2.6.29.6 source, can i patch it directly to 2.6.31.1 or i'd have to patch it first with 2.6.30.8? |
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| 14:21.56 | enmerkar | ma3x: um, both wrong |
| 14:21.58 | jelly | ma3x: take a look at what's available on a kernel mirror first. The answer should be clearer. |
| 14:22.20 | enmerkar | ma3x: get the incremental patches, if necessary revert to 2.6.x release etc |
| 14:22.30 | ma3x | let's say i have the source 2.6.28.10 |
| 14:22.43 | ma3x | what patch should i use if the latest stable is 2.6.31.1 |
| 14:22.48 | jelly | ma3x: in short, there are patches for 2.6.n -> 2.6.n+1, and there are patches for 2.6.x -> 2.6.x.y |
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| 14:23.21 | ma3x | oh ok |
| 14:23.42 | ma3x | should i use dpkg's instructions of 'kernel patch' in order how to do it? |
| 14:23.48 | jelly | ma3x: if you want to get from 2.6.28.10 to 2.6.31.1, you have to unapply patch-2.6.28.10 (to get 2.6.28 tree), then apply patch-2.6.29, .30, .31 and finally .31.1 |
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| 14:25.55 | ma3x | 3 patches? |
| 14:26.02 | jelly | ma3x: read kernelnewbies. http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/HowToApplyAPatch |
| 14:26.04 | ma3x | can't you apply just one? |
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| 14:26.29 | ma3x | patch-2.6.31.gz 09-Sep-2009 22:35 12M <- is this patch for or to 2.6.31? |
| 14:26.35 | jelly | I'm counting five patches in that process, not three. |
| 14:26.59 | \amethyst | ma3x: that's the patch from 2.6.30 to 2.6.31 |
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| 14:27.18 | jelly | ma3x: that patch file is a description on what changes to apply to a 2.6.30 tree, to get a 2.6.31 in the end |
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| 14:27.38 | jelly | it's not a magical binary to get any linux tree into 2.6.31 |
| 14:29.58 | ma3x | hm i don't understand this |
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| 14:30.02 | ma3x | i get this error |
| 14:30.02 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/1584354 |
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| 14:30.40 | jelly | since patches are always incremental updates, there is a naming convention. so patch-x.y.z.gz always works from a x.y.(z-1) tree to get x.y.z |
| 14:31.15 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble with openoffice updating, I have updated my debian box (testing version) and when I try to start openoffice it says ""The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined.", what's going on wrong? |
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| 14:31.22 | ma3x | should i rename that directory? |
| 14:32.09 | jelly | what directory? |
| 14:32.22 | jelly | Man-Eating Seals of Antiquity have eaten ma3x's source! |
| 14:32.34 | ma3x | what's that i don't understand it |
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| 14:34.53 | jelly | I'm leaving make-kpkg issues to someone else |
| 14:35.22 | nootoyahora | nah |
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| 14:36.35 | jelly | nootoyahora: sounds like your locale settings make oo.o cry |
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| 14:36.38 | jelly | !locale |
| 14:36.38 | dpkg | locale is probably set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 14:36.42 | jelly | !locales |
| 14:36.43 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:37.38 | nootoyahora | jelly, that's not the cse, becuase ooffice was runing, and afeter updting and upgradig my debian testing, it broke |
| 14:37.38 | jelly | nootoyahora: it's also prudent to google the error message, but I'm sure you've done that before asking humans |
| 14:38.07 | ma3x | jelly: what should i do about that error? |
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| 14:38.24 | nootoyahora | jelly, I have done that, yes, and nothing about it (almost 24 hours ago) |
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| 14:39.30 | jelly | ma3x: no idea, I'm staying far away from that one |
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| 14:41.56 | ma3x | why the fsck did he name it Man-Eating .... |
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| 14:44.10 | datacrusher | hi everyone. i use debian 64, iv updated from etch to lenny a few weeks ago, and them compiz stoped working. I didnt care much, but now i removed and installed it again, i can see tne configs on the compiz-config-manager, but none of them are working. how do i troubleshoot this? |
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| 14:44.57 | acidtripper | Hi |
| 14:45.05 | acidtripper | someone know any itunes like program |
| 14:45.13 | acidtripper | in QT libs? |
| 14:45.17 | ranix | Amarok |
| 14:45.34 | iah | yeah, amarok is the closest I believe |
| 14:45.47 | nootoyahora | nobody is using here openoffice? |
| 14:45.57 | acidtripper | me |
| 14:46.07 | the-dude | nad /me |
| 14:46.08 | acidtripper | mm i don like amarok |
| 14:46.09 | acidtripper | :S |
| 14:46.16 | acidtripper | i porefer rythmbox or banshee |
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| 14:46.38 | iah | both are gtk |
| 14:46.42 | acidtripper | yea |
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| 14:46.43 | acidtripper | i know |
| 14:46.52 | acidtripper | thats why im asking something similar in qt |
| 14:46.58 | acidtripper | but not amarok :P |
| 14:47.00 | iah | iTunes does work in wine though |
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| 14:47.54 | JordiGH | Does Gnus really need Emacs 21 or is that a packaging bug in lenny? |
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| 14:48.30 | jelly | it worked in xemacs last time I've seen someone use an *emacs |
| 14:49.03 | BackLash|TheFly | lol i just made an insult by age generator |
| 14:49.06 | JordiGH | Yeah, and it's working for me in emacs 22. |
| 14:49.09 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 14:49.52 | BackLash|TheFly | loves learning |
| 14:49.54 | jelly | no gnus is good gnus |
| 14:49.58 | jelly | hides |
| 14:50.44 | jelly | !dbugs 432143 |
| 14:50.49 | dpkg | #432143:N[gnus] gnus: fix for emacs22 (patch); Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:48:01 UTC [432644] |
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| 14:50.55 | acidtripper | iah: i was looking for something free |
| 14:51.13 | acidtripper | gnu/gpl |
| 14:51.21 | jelly | JordiGH: hey, there's been a patch in bts since 2007, give the maintainers some time to fix it! |
| 14:51.24 | BackLash|TheFly | something with gnu in its name isnt free? blasphemty |
| 14:51.25 | acidtripper | im installing amarok i will give another chance to it :P |
| 14:51.26 | jelly | </sarcasm> |
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| 14:51.34 | iah | acidtripper: use rhythmbox or banshee then :) |
| 14:51.35 | JordiGH | jelly: Where? |
| 14:51.42 | jelly | see above. |
| 14:51.43 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 14:51.43 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 14:51.52 | acidtripper | who? |
| 14:51.55 | iah | acidtripper: I really like amarok, give it one more shot |
| 14:51.59 | BackLash|TheFly | :/ well yes. yes it does |
| 14:52.03 | acidtripper | archlinux rulz |
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| 14:52.31 | xae8koo | Hello |
| 14:52.34 | acidtripper | using kde or gnome you guys? |
| 14:52.38 | iah | acidtripper: you can also try JuK its a part of the KDE multimeda package |
| 14:52.40 | BackLash|TheFly | xfce |
| 14:52.43 | xae8koo | Upgrading to lenny broke my X. What to do? |
| 14:52.47 | acidtripper | xfce? xmonade |
| 14:52.58 | acidtripper | xae8koo go to archlinux |
| 14:53.11 | BackLash|TheFly | isnt that just a theme for xfce |
| 14:53.11 | BackLash|TheFly | 0_o |
| 14:53.16 | xae8koo | acidtripper: Why? |
| 14:53.31 | acidtripper | continue upgrade |
| 14:53.36 | acidtripper | system never brake |
| 14:53.43 | acidtripper | rolling distribution |
| 14:53.54 | acidtripper | pacman -Syu and you update |
| 14:54.09 | JordiGH | jelly: Oh, thanks. |
| 14:54.15 | Titan8990 | no one wants to use a 3rd best distro like arch |
| 14:54.19 | Titan8990 | (inside joke) |
| 14:54.33 | jelly | acidtripper: please take that discussion to the proper channel or #debian-offtopic? |
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| 14:54.57 | xae8koo | acidtripper: But I need X to burn a cd, or to swap distro! |
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| 14:55.18 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, no you don't |
| 14:55.34 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, did you upgrade from etch? |
| 14:55.41 | xae8koo | Titan8990: I do, you don`t! |
| 14:55.50 | acidtripper | no |
| 14:55.56 | acidtripper | you can downlod with wget |
| 14:56.07 | acidtripper | and burn in console |
| 14:56.22 | iah | xae8koo: you got an iso to burn? if so use cdrecord in the terminal |
| 14:56.43 | Titan8990 | .... alright stop now, his problem was not burning a CD, he wants to fix xserver |
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| 14:57.06 | xae8koo | Yes, and there is a cool command to get X back >D |
| 14:57.28 | iah | xae8koo: su -c "dpkg-reconfigure xorg" |
| 14:57.31 | adb | X -configure :1 |
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| 14:58.24 | acidtripper | whyy amarok hangs when i play :S |
| 14:58.49 | Titan8990 | you all are throwing a lot of commands out there before knowing what the problem is |
| 14:59.02 | ma3x | i just applied 2.6.31 and then 2.6.31.1 patch to 2.6.30, but when i make-kpkg buildpackage it still displays exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.30-10.00.Custom INITRD=YES buildpackage . why 2.6.30 instead of 2.6.31.1 ? |
| 14:59.06 | ma3x | i've applied the patches already |
| 14:59.09 | iah | acidtripper: hard to tell, try starting it in a terminal to see any output from it |
| 14:59.23 | xae8koo | iah: I get no output |
| 14:59.41 | acidtripper | it starts reproducing but then when i change song |
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| 15:00.23 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, lets find out whats going on first... did you just upgrade from etch -> lenny? what happens? pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:00.54 | uau | aptitude upgrade says 'E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perl' and exits |
| 15:01.01 | uau | is this a known problem with the latest perl upgrade? |
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| 15:01.08 | xae8koo | Titan8990: Pastebin without X? |
| 15:01.10 | JyZyXEL | how do you make USB R/W for other users than root? |
| 15:01.16 | the-dude | ma3x: are you using a name with a - in it ? |
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| 15:01.50 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, aptitude install pastebinit |
| 15:01.53 | acidtripper | it hangs in 0:00 |
| 15:01.59 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:02.06 | ma3x | the-dude: im not using any name, i din't modify any of the package's files. just applied patches and typed make-kpkg --initrd buildpackage |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | uau: in which version of debian ? did you check the BTS ? |
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| 15:04.03 | uau | abrotman: latest unstable |
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| 15:04.36 | xae8koo | pastebin.com/f1b323f2c |
| 15:04.44 | abrotman | uau: and did you check the BTS ? |
| 15:05.23 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, failed to load vesa because it didn't exist, what kind of video card do you have? |
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| 15:05.35 | xae8koo | Titan8990: Nvidia GeForce |
| 15:05.45 | uau | for some packages (not sure if others could be relevant) |
| 15:05.47 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, do you use nvidia or nv drivers? |
| 15:06.08 | xae8koo | Titan8990: Not sure, been a while since I touched this computer... |
| 15:06.10 | uau | abrotman: but it at least hasn't come up on the channel earlier? |
| 15:06.28 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, alright... do you want the proprietary drivers? |
| 15:06.44 | BackLash|TheFly | has spent the last 7 hours learning c.... (mindboggling) |
| 15:07.06 | xae8koo | Titan8990: Not really, I just want x. After that I can install the proprietary drivers... |
| 15:07.38 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, try this: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak; startx |
| 15:08.07 | JordiGH | BackLash|TheFly: I've spent the last 11 years learning C++. |
| 15:08.23 | JyZyXEL | and all you got was this stupid t-shirt? |
| 15:08.24 | xae8koo | Titan8990: Is there an easy way to copy things without x? |
| 15:08.46 | WormFood | copy things? like what? |
| 15:08.46 | JordiGH | JyZyXEL: Yeah. :-/ |
| 15:08.59 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, there is a terminal mouse driver but i don't recall the name |
| 15:09.06 | petemc | gpm |
| 15:09.07 | xae8koo | WormFood: The command Titan8990 Sent me |
| 15:09.14 | BackLash|TheFly | JordiGH: Nice. I only need c right now though :) |
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| 15:09.30 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, you could just ssh into the box and do this work |
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| 15:09.37 | Titan8990 | from a pc that does have a gui |
| 15:09.41 | JordiGH | I'm not sure C can be learned in 7 hours either. |
| 15:09.50 | stian1979 | Anyone tryed grub2 and suspend where the default resume partition is on a raid0 array and the /partition is not? |
| 15:10.15 | WormFood | sure it can be learned in 7 hours....as long as each hour has 346473234 minutes in it |
| 15:10.19 | Titan8990 | JordiGH, http://norvig.com/21-days.html |
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| 15:10.27 | Titan8990 | WormFood, ^ |
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| 15:10.46 | JordiGH | Titan8990: Yeah, I bet they've written one for C++ too, and I bet it's garbage. ;-) |
| 15:10.47 | xae8koo | Titan8990: It said No screens found |
| 15:11.05 | tarzeau | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze no squeeze release plan yet? |
| 15:11.21 | Titan8990 | JordiGH, its a generalization for languages in general |
| 15:11.29 | Titan8990 | xae8koo, xorg log again |
| 15:11.57 | Hans_ | pleace help --> apt-get update and upgrade --> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perl |
| 15:12.20 | tarzeau | oh early 2010... |
| 15:12.24 | Titan8990 | Hans_, likely a bug in squeeze since someone else asked that same question 10min, check bts |
| 15:14.07 | sphenxes | I have installed vsftp on my Debian/lenny. It restart at reboot time. I would like to start it only manually . where can i do such changes? |
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| 15:14.15 | Hans_ | Titan8990: |
| 15:14.18 | Hans_ | which is the solution? |
| 15:14.25 | Titan8990 | don't know, check bts |
| 15:14.43 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, use update-rc.d |
| 15:14.50 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, man update-rc.d |
| 15:14.57 | sphenxes | Titan8990, thanks |
| 15:15.27 | uau | Titan8990: do you have reason to think there is anything in the bts? (of which package?) |
| 15:15.27 | ma3x | i have linux-2.6.30. is patch-2.6.31 the correct patch to apply? |
| 15:15.38 | Hans_ | Titan8990: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548861 |
| 15:15.39 | Titan8990 | uau, my reason for thinking that is multiple people appear to be having the problem, probably not related to user error |
| 15:15.40 | Hans_ | bug?¡ |
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| 15:16.31 | Titan8990 | that was reported today, give it time |
| 15:16.32 | BackLash|TheFly | JordiGH: Didnt say i was done either |
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| 15:16.56 | Hans_ | yes |
| 15:17.37 | jelly | Hans_: unstable doesn't get much support here, you're supposed to know how to fix the worst stuff yourself |
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| 15:19.00 | Titan8990 | jelly, in this case I think its an actual bug but I agree |
| 15:19.23 | enmerkar | it's a bug and a fixed package is in incoming |
| 15:19.38 | enmerkar | http://incoming.debian.org/liblocale-gettext-perl_1.05-6_i386.deb |
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| 15:20.02 | jelly | mmm. deb shouldn't be able to trigger internal errors in dpkg/libapt, methinks |
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| 15:20.28 | enmerkar | see bug against liblocale-gettext-perl |
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| 15:22.20 | uau | liblocate-gettext-perl? not a package you could easily guess to check the bts for based on the visible symptoms |
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| 15:23.07 | enmerkar | no guessing needed. google error, read bug report |
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| 15:27.42 | fluorine | hi. Is it possible for me to type romanian diacritics from my keyboard? |
| 15:28.45 | g0bl1n | hi, I have a text file with URL's and need to wget all of them. How can I do it in command line ? |
| 15:29.11 | g0bl1n | wget | each_line |
| 15:29.35 | fluorine | g0bl1n: wget --input-file=FILE |
| 15:29.36 | g0bl1n | any command that can send each line to the wget pipe ? |
| 15:29.41 | Tired | wget --help tells you |
| 15:29.42 | g0bl1n | oh |
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| 15:29.53 | g0bl1n | ty |
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| 15:30.15 | g00se | Is there anything better than ntfsfix around for repairs? |
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| 15:30.29 | Tired | a sledgehammer |
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| 15:31.15 | petemc | a bart pe boot disk and chkdsk |
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| 15:31.56 | Bennit | hi there |
| 15:32.06 | Bennit | I was wondering about the pronounciation of debian |
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| 15:32.13 | ranix | Deboran and Ian |
| 15:32.22 | iah | Debra? |
| 15:32.22 | ranix | debian with short E |
| 15:32.28 | ranix | deborah, rather |
| 15:32.28 | Bennit | is it [d-i-b-i-an] or [d-short-e-b-ian] |
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| 15:33.16 | Bennit | thanks |
| 15:33.29 | ma3x | which patch should i apply to 2.6.30? |
| 15:33.42 | Tired | the crash-on-boot patch |
| 15:33.54 | Tired | gosh, guess I should get a coffee |
| 15:34.00 | Titan8990 | Tired, is that created by microsoft? |
| 15:34.09 | ranix | Bennit: personally I used debian a long time before I knew the correct pronounciation and have trouble actually saying it right |
| 15:34.21 | ranix | I frequently fall-back to "Deebian" |
| 15:34.30 | enmerkar | ma3x: depends on what outcome you want |
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| 15:34.54 | g00se | petemc: Yes i see. chkdsk better then - is it the same chkdsk as in Windows? |
| 15:35.07 | Tired | Titan8990, yes... to enable compatibility with their software |
| 15:35.16 | petemc | g00se: it is windows chkdsk |
| 15:35.36 | ranix | ntfs is a pile of shti |
| 15:35.54 | ma3x | enmerkar: 2.6.31.1 |
| 15:35.55 | ranix | you really need to use windows to handle it |
| 15:36.13 | enmerkar | ma3x: 2.6.30->2.6.31->2.6.31.1 |
| 15:36.15 | ranix | you can do some things with linux, but generally it's just closed, proprietary nonsense |
| 15:36.21 | Tired | ranix, the sledgehammer I suggested manages fine, too, though |
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| 15:36.56 | ma3x | should i modify debian/control because it lists unknown package maintainer and the configure/packaging process fails |
| 15:37.19 | enmerkar | ma3x: um.. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:39.20 | Tired | why are so many people keen on getting 2.6.31 couple of days after it hit kernel.org |
| 15:39.47 | tarzeau | Tired: features or drivers of it? |
| 15:40.46 | Tired | it's just hard to imagine it matters for the few more days it'll be until it's in experimental or unstable |
| 15:41.16 | tarzeau | Tired: you can always build your own... |
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| 15:41.28 | tarzeau | Tired: and sometimes people know/wait for exactly that feature... |
| 15:41.47 | Tired | you can... but it's not as if it was tremendous fun or something |
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| 15:42.45 | Titan8990 | Tired, its not nearly as hard as some people make it seem |
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| 15:43.07 | Tired | I didn't say it was |
| 15:43.12 | g00se | petemc: I see. I've got a trashed ntfs disk |
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| 15:44.04 | petemc | g00se: yes, i gathered that, my recommendation was to use microsofts own tools to attempt to fix it |
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| 15:44.47 | g00se | petemc: Yes, thanks. Gotcha |
| 15:44.50 | Tired | it's kind of hard if you don't start from a working .config - or at least tiresome to go through the million options... and you tend to not know what some of them mean and probably end up with conflicting options that don't compile as you want and end up with a 2nd go... etc. etc. |
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| 15:45.22 | tarzeau | Tired: it's not too hard |
| 15:45.26 | Tired | of course that's mostly eliminated if you take the one from /boot/config-xxx |
| 15:45.29 | g00se | thinks it would be one in the eye for the Empire if OUR tools worked better on THEIR fs ;-) |
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| 15:46.01 | Titan8990 | Tired, the "H" key there for "i don't know what it means" |
| 15:46.09 | Tired | perhaps things got easier since last I tried 'couple of years ago |
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| 15:46.18 | JordiGH | So is vrms no longer buggy if it disagrees with rms? |
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| 15:50.20 | stian1979 | Anyone tryed grub2 and suspend where the default resume partition is on a raid0 array and the /partition is not? |
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| 16:04.20 | DeeTah | could I please have a interfaces file sample with static ip set? |
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| 16:04.30 | DeeTah | i got something messed up ;x |
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| 16:07.38 | enmerkar | DeeTah: man 5 interfaces should have an example |
| 16:08.31 | DeeTah | enmerkar: doesn't seem to work for me -.- :/ |
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| 16:09.02 | enmerkar | !doesn't work |
| 16:09.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:09.58 | mhymn | DeeTah: man interfaces |
| 16:10.17 | mhymn | oh someone already suggested |
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| 16:21.27 | HTT-Bird | any reason why Sid's python is still a 2.5.x? :o |
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| 16:27.03 | zagibu | I'd like to install two debian alongside each other, a stable and a testing, do I need two boot partitions? |
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| 16:27.32 | nixbox | hi |
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| 16:28.22 | nixbox | i have installed lenny on a machine and when i look at a man page for something it shows me weird characters at few places, what am i missing, i checked /etc/default/locale, it gives me LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 16:28.36 | abrotman | zagibu: not really, but you can only have one manage the bootloader (considered using a VM or chroot?) |
| 16:29.03 | zagibu | yeah, I'm not impressed by the different VM offerings |
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| 16:29.23 | zagibu | but chroot might be a possibility... |
| 16:29.39 | zagibu | don't testing and stable use different kernels, though? |
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| 16:30.04 | HTT-Bird | zagibu, yeah, testing and stable do use different kernels |
| 16:30.30 | HTT-Bird | also, abrotman, is there a reason why Sid is still using python 2.5? |
| 16:30.31 | nesta | zagibu: dual boot? |
| 16:30.41 | HTT-Bird | yeah, basically, that's your primary option zagibu |
| 16:30.58 | nesta | it would be the easiest.. |
| 16:31.01 | nesta | and cleanest. |
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| 16:31.36 | dkr | or virtualbox, :) |
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| 16:31.49 | nesta | he dont like the VM's |
| 16:32.01 | HTT-Bird | dkr, vbox was actually b0rked in squeeze last time I checked |
| 16:32.08 | zagibu | yeah, dual-boot, but if I use only one boot partition, won't stable overwrite older kernels of testing, because they are named in the same fashion? |
| 16:32.10 | wad | Hi folks. I've got a server running debian 5.0.1 and apache2. I'd like to install mediawiki on it, but I get errors. I've boiled them down to a problem when I apt-get install php5-cli: php5-cli: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15) but 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 is to be installed |
| 16:32.15 | wad | I'm not sure how to solve this problem. Ideas? |
| 16:32.33 | HTT-Bird | wad, what version of php5-cli triggers that? |
| 16:32.41 | wad | HTT-Bird, how do I tell? |
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| 16:32.48 | themill | HTT-Bird: python 2.6 will hit sid RSN but all the python modules require a lot of work because python 2.6 changes the location that python modules are supposed to be installed to. /msg dpkg siyh |
| 16:32.57 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: because the maintainer says python2.6 is too unstable or makes too many changes |
| 16:33.09 | HTT-Bird | ah. |
| 16:33.16 | themill | wad: looks like you've got an interesting mix of etch and lenny there |
| 16:33.38 | HTT-Bird | probably the latter...there are quite a few changes in 2.6 as it's a transitional version between previous 2.x pythons and python3 |
| 16:34.07 | wad | themill, hmm. I did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny a while back. |
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| 16:34.31 | wad | Maybe I should just reinstall the OS, and put the latest lenny on it. |
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| 16:35.23 | HTT-Bird | wad, I'd try re-dist-upgrading to Lenny first, but if that doesn't clean up your mess, yeah, you may have to reinstall with the latest lenny |
| 16:35.24 | themill | wad: No need to reinstall, just finish the incomplete upgrade. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude search ~U" |
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| 16:36.30 | lancelot_of | hallo everybody...when i switch to console from X via CTRL-ALT-Fx all works fine but the pointer fixed on the screen and the following dmesg error: [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 |
| 16:36.35 | lancelot_of | i've googled and found it's a drm bug but related to a X crash, but mine doesn't and, however, i found no solution to this...it's just quite annoying for me.. |
| 16:36.42 | lancelot_of | any suggestion? |
| 16:36.55 | themill | HTT-Bird: yeah, the number of DeprecationWarnings you get with python 2.6 is somewhat beyond tedious. |
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| 16:37.17 | Kobaz | pg_dump: server version: 8.3.8; pg_dump version: 8.3.6 |
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| 16:37.22 | HTT-Bird | lancelot_of, so basically X hangs when you do that? |
| 16:37.27 | Kobaz | in debian/testing, the client libs don't match the server libs |
| 16:37.33 | HTT-Bird | oof |
| 16:37.34 | Kobaz | for postgres |
| 16:37.40 | fluorine | I just upgraded xserver-xorg and friends in squeeze, and now my keyboard and mouse options in xorg.conf stop working! the keyboard repeat rates, and middle click scrolling config lines have no effect anymore...wtf? |
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| 16:38.16 | HTT-Bird | themill, yeah, it'd probably better to keep 2.5 as the default python but make 2.6 available as a separate package for those people who wish to work on porting their Python code to 2.6/3.x |
| 16:38.23 | lancelot_of | HTT-Bird, my X continue working |
| 16:38.33 | themill | fluorine: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 16:38.55 | HTT-Bird | lancelot_of, I think I've seen those before tbh, they're spurious messages from the DRM and can be ignored if no other symptoms are present |
| 16:39.05 | themill | HTT-Bird: aiui, the current plan is that python 2.6 will be the default python in squeeze. |
| 16:39.17 | stew | judd: versions postgresql-client-8.3 |
| 16:39.17 | judd | stew: postgresql-client-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 sid: 8.3.8-1 squeeze: 8.3.8-1 |
| 16:39.27 | stew | Kobaz: sqeeze should have the 8.3.8 clients ^^ |
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| 16:39.35 | fluorine | themill: oh. my. god. just one innocent upgrade, and then I have to read through all that? |
| 16:39.39 | lancelot_of | HTT-Bird, the symptom is the tedious pointer fixed on the screen in console |
| 16:39.54 | stew | fluorine: yes, thanks for helping to test our new release while its still in development! |
| 16:39.55 | themill | fluorine: if you don't want things to change, why are you using testing? |
| 16:39.57 | HTT-Bird | hmmm... |
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| 16:40.29 | fluorine | because the changes in testing weren't so inane and inconsiderate before this |
| 16:40.32 | HTT-Bird | themill, ah. |
| 16:40.41 | themill | fluorine: hah! |
| 16:40.46 | stew | heh |
| 16:41.05 | fluorine | what the fuck is hal doing on my system?! |
| 16:41.22 | themill | fluorine: are you really trying to tell me that things in testing have never changed their config file format before? Or changed they way they configure devices? |
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| 16:41.32 | NoCode | eating your brains. |
| 16:41.33 | stew | we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. if we didn't go with this, we'd get accused of still using the archaic statically configured xorg isntead of the new autodetecting one |
| 16:41.35 | NoCode | hides |
| 16:41.54 | fluorine | themill: not with X |
| 16:41.58 | fluorine | themill: not like this |
| 16:42.12 | clarjon1 | likes hal |
| 16:42.13 | themill | fluorine: go back to your cave and start writing modelines to keep yourself happy then. |
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| 16:42.25 | void_pointer | Some people hate hope and change :( |
| 16:42.25 | clarjon1 | hal lets me put my lappy to sleep properly. |
| 16:42.54 | clarjon1 | ( on screen close event as detected by kpowersave) |
| 16:43.02 | NoCode | I'm sure HAL helps my laptop one way or another. There's a reason why it's there. :P |
| 16:43.22 | themill | fluorine: hal is on your system in order to reduce the amount of code duplication between the kernel and X. The kernel already knows what hardware you have, why should xorg carry around a ton of code to work this out as well when it can just ask the kernel using hal? |
| 16:43.59 | stew | and why should you be required to tell xorg what hardware you have, when it can all be autodetected by the kernel |
| 16:44.03 | fluorine | christ. how do i get the middle-click scrolling and the autorepeat rates working again? |
| 16:44.15 | wad | lol, found my problem. /etc/apt/sources.list still had etch in it, when I'd already upgraded to lenny. Duh. |
| 16:44.20 | themill | fluorine: if you really want to campaign against "bloat", then you should be pushing for this change not fighting against it... |
| 16:44.36 | clarjon1 | fluorine: what x version is installed? |
| 16:45.14 | idimmu | pushes for a campaign to prevent testing and unstable users from complaining after they apt-get upgrade |
| 16:45.15 | clarjon1 | *xorg |
| 16:45.17 | fluorine | clarjon1: the latest one in the squeeze repos |
| 16:45.20 | themill | !idimmu++ |
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| 16:45.34 | clarjon1 | floating: I'm not using the testing repos, that's why i asked for the version. |
| 16:46.07 | stew | judd: info xserver-xorg squeeze |
| 16:46.09 | judd | stew: xserver-xorg (x11): is optional; Version: 1:7.4+4; Size: 58.1k; Installed: 272k -- the X.Org X server |
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| 16:46.30 | clarjon1 | so xorg 7.4 then |
| 16:46.53 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:46.59 | fluorine | omg, i have to reboot after i create a new fdi policy? |
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| 16:47.09 | stew | fluorine: no |
| 16:47.15 | NoCode | I'm using testing and after the apt-get upgrade everything seems to be working alright. Well, I can't find anything wrong besides xorg being slower than Squeeze. |
| 16:47.37 | stew | fluorine: omg, replugging the device should be enough |
| 16:47.46 | fluorine | stew: this is a trackpoint |
| 16:47.50 | fluorine | stew: on a laptop |
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| 16:48.06 | stew | fluorine: omg, you can just unload and reload the driver, or christ, you can restart the x server |
| 16:48.14 | clarjon1 | fluorine: take a look at http://www.nepherte.be/xorg-74-and-hot-pluggable-iput-devices/ |
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| 16:48.27 | fluorine | brb, then |
| 16:48.45 | stew | fluorine: unloading and reloading psmouse should do it |
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| 16:49.16 | fluorine | hugs stew |
| 16:49.21 | fluorine | stew: thank you |
| 16:49.33 | stew | you're welcome :) |
| 16:50.50 | fluorine | wow, with the old X11, i had to restart the entire server for my new mouse settings to ttake effect |
| 16:50.59 | stew | look, progress! |
| 16:51.18 | clarjon1 | fluorine: All thanks to HAL! |
| 16:51.24 | fluorine | hmm, not too bad |
| 16:51.27 | void_pointer | All hail HAL! |
| 16:51.35 | stew | (but actually you probably didn't, synaptics settings have been settable at runtime for a while) |
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| 16:51.37 | dave | ahem |
| 16:51.39 | zleap | fluorine, yeah but if it was windows you would need a computer restart |
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| 16:51.49 | dave | I don't like hal. |
| 16:51.52 | stew | not really, but not really relavant |
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| 16:52.05 | void_pointer | dave, oh my |
| 16:52.17 | themill | Guest37237: ETOOMANYNICKCHANGES |
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| 16:55.03 | HTT-Bird | themill, ty btw |
| 16:55.07 | HTT-Bird | good explanation :) |
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| 16:55.36 | themill | np |
| 16:55.42 | HTT-Bird | basically, all HAL is is a way for the kernel to tell userland "hey, the user just plugged a new mouse/hard drive/what-have-you in" |
| 16:56.15 | jpinx-eeepc | so HAl replaces hotplug or udev? |
| 16:56.18 | HTT-Bird | the HAL tree does look somewhat messy (on my box at least), but that's something that can be fixed |
| 16:56.25 | stew | hal sits on top of udev |
| 16:56.26 | HTT-Bird | jpinx-eeepc, it works on top of udev |
| 16:56.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah |
| 16:56.45 | lancelot_of | HTT-Bird, did you read my last message? |
| 16:56.45 | stew | and its not just for new events, you can query it about the current hardware |
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| 16:56.53 | HTT-Bird | very true stew |
| 16:56.59 | raphi | how do I pair bluetooth devices using bluez4 under debian? |
| 16:57.01 | HTT-Bird | lancelot_of, yeah |
| 16:57.09 | stew | lshal and lshal --monitor show you the available info |
| 16:57.23 | stew | (--monitor being a realtime show of events as they happen) |
| 16:58.26 | HTT-Bird | lancelot_of, that sounds like something that's a bug in the video drivers (or the hardware, for that matter: Intel hw is known to be buggy in general) |
| 16:58.31 | HTT-Bird | *Intel graphics hw |
| 16:58.37 | stew | it is? |
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| 16:59.11 | HTT-Bird | well, that's what it seems to be to me based on my intuition |
| 16:59.18 | stew | i've never had problems |
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| 16:59.30 | HTT-Bird | yeah, I don't think I get that particular one |
| 16:59.32 | stew | its the only graphics hardware I'm willing to buy anymore becuase its got the best driver support |
| 16:59.46 | HTT-Bird | but VTYs are flaky on this box in general (it's a lappy with a GMA X3100) |
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| 17:00.02 | HTT-Bird | and 3D is a hair's breadth away from a trainwreck |
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| 17:00.42 | stew | i haven't really used 3D since "doom" came out |
| 17:00.46 | HTT-Bird | heh. |
| 17:01.05 | lancelot_of | ok HTT-Bird thanks anywhere |
| 17:01.10 | HTT-Bird | np lancelot_of |
| 17:01.22 | HTT-Bird | yes, the Intel stuff does pretty well on 2d |
| 17:01.37 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 17:01.47 | HTT-Bird | which is all most people who buy Intel graphics need (they're corporate users or basic home users who don't play games) |
| 17:02.02 | stew | hah, i wonder if i'm a "basic home user" |
| 17:02.03 | ghostman | And I haven`t heard more denglish then in tis labratorie! ;) |
| 17:02.04 | HTT-Bird | the reason I have Intel gfx in this and not nVidia is that I got given this lappy as part of a scholarship |
| 17:02.21 | clarjon1 | has an ati card in his lappy :P |
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| 17:02.37 | HTT-Bird | clarjon1, are you using radeon or fglrx? |
| 17:02.41 | clarjon1 | fglrx |
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| 17:03.12 | HTT-Bird | stew, well, if you don't play 3d games (or use other 3d-heavy things), intel is fine :) |
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| 17:03.27 | stew | its not fine, its great. the drivers are excellent |
| 17:03.29 | HTT-Bird | I just have all sorts of trouble with 3d on Intel gfx. |
| 17:03.40 | stew | they were the first ones to support all the fancy new stuff in xrandr 1.2 |
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| 17:03.59 | NoCode | GM965 in Squeeze is slow. :( |
| 17:04.01 | HTT-Bird | I have to run Lenny's Mesa on Sqeeze because Squeeze has a version of Mesa that is incompatible with one of the main games I play |
| 17:04.27 | stew | and i hear there was a guy from intel at one of the last debconfs saying "bring me your laptops with intel graphics problems, I'll fix the driver on the spot" |
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| 17:04.58 | void_pointer | heh nice |
| 17:04.58 | HTT-Bird | stew, that's good to hear at least: the intel folks are good at fixing bugs once they are reported |
| 17:04.59 | stew | NoCode: i have one and i still get 60fps when playing angband |
| 17:05.03 | ranix | yeah the intel team is being really good with their oss drivers |
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| 17:05.12 | HTT-Bird | but they aren't very pre-emptive about finding issues with heavy 3d usage |
| 17:05.13 | ranix | and the general hardware documentation recently |
| 17:05.23 | HTT-Bird | yes, Intel is gr8 at hardware docs |
| 17:05.27 | HTT-Bird | I will agree |
| 17:05.38 | ranix | HTT-Bird: nor are they with Windows, regarding the stress testing, so don't feel left out lol |
| 17:05.52 | HTT-Bird | true. Intel Extreme Buggy Graphics indeed! |
| 17:06.08 | ranix | I get the feeling intel has a lot of work to do still, but I'm very happy to see them starting the job from scratch correctly |
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| 17:06.26 | void_pointer | lol Angband ... |
| 17:06.45 | NoCode | stew, LOL. text-based dungeon simulation. Ja! |
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| 17:06.55 | JordiGH | lo |
| 17:06.56 | JordiGH | l |
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| 17:07.14 | ranix | are you dragging your names through the MUD again |
| 17:07.27 | JordiGH | stew: Did he do it? |
| 17:07.31 | stew | and i run at with maximum detail turned on |
| 17:07.37 | Coldfusiontorm | anybody here runnung hamachi? |
| 17:07.42 | stew | JordiGH: who what? |
| 17:07.44 | Coldfusiontorm | im haveing a little ruble getting it to work |
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| 17:07.45 | HTT-Bird | yes. I'd love to see non-glitched 3d in the one game that I do play on this laptop |
| 17:07.47 | Coldfusiontorm | *truble |
| 17:07.49 | JordiGH | HTT-Bird: I play Nexuiz with an intel chipset. |
| 17:08.01 | HTT-Bird | JordiGH, Nexuiz seemed to be OK but slow on this box |
| 17:08.01 | JordiGH | stew: The intel guy. At Debconf. Fix bugs. |
| 17:08.02 | abrotman | wonders how long this will go on ... |
| 17:08.08 | stew | JordiGH: yes |
| 17:08.17 | HTT-Bird | games based on Crystal Space seem to not like Intel chipsets very much though |
| 17:08.31 | JordiGH | stew: What, patched xorg-video-intel on the spot? |
| 17:08.36 | stew | yes |
| 17:08.39 | Coldfusiontorm | i have tuncfg running |
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| 17:08.43 | HTT-Bird | but I can't play Nexuiz on this laptop (blame the touchpad) |
| 17:08.43 | JordiGH | stew: I have a bug: EXA sucks. |
| 17:08.50 | HTT-Bird | hence, UXA |
| 17:08.51 | Coldfusiontorm | and a install laying in /exchange |
| 17:09.02 | Coldfusiontorm | but it cant find a shared object |
| 17:09.05 | stew | JordiGH: i somehow avoid having to know what those things are |
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| 17:09.29 | valdyn | !UXA |
| 17:09.32 | valdyn | ops |
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| 17:09.38 | ghostman | it`s si boring! Yawning 6 times? ;) |
| 17:09.45 | ghostman | o |
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| 17:09.47 | JordiGH | stew: Two acceleration methods. I only use intel cards. Older is XAA and sucks because it sucks up all CPU. EXA was supposed to replace it, but it's slow. |
| 17:10.00 | valdyn | EXA isnt slow |
| 17:10.03 | JordiGH | So I use XAA and contribute more to global warming than I should. |
| 17:10.06 | JordiGH | valdyn: It is here. |
| 17:10.06 | HTT-Bird | and UXA is supposed to be the acceleration method to end them all, I hear? |
| 17:10.06 | valdyn | intels exa implementation is slow |
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| 17:10.20 | JordiGH | valdyn: Yeah, just talking about Intel. |
| 17:10.23 | HTT-Bird | valdyn, heh. |
| 17:10.28 | valdyn | last i checked uxa was only their reimplmenentation of exa |
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| 17:10.33 | HTT-Bird | ah. :) |
| 17:10.44 | valdyn | but what do I know |
| 17:10.50 | Coldfusiontorm | Help? |
| 17:10.52 | Coldfusiontorm | :D |
| 17:10.58 | HTT-Bird | hopefully it works a whole ton better/faster than their original EXA implementation |
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| 17:11.41 | NoCode | Is uxa enabled in debian, or do I have to enable it myself? I remember in Ubuntu it made things run way better |
| 17:12.05 | valdyn | NoCode: not in lenny, lenny is older |
| 17:12.23 | NoCode | So it's enabled in Squeeze? |
| 17:12.58 | HTT-Bird | um...I forgot which bot handles package versions (there's too many of them ;P ) |
| 17:13.08 | ranix | judd: versions |
| 17:13.10 | judd | ranix: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 17:13.14 | HTT-Bird | thanks ranix |
| 17:13.18 | ranix | np |
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| 17:13.40 | cahoot | NoCode: it is |
| 17:13.40 | NoCode | hmm. I have exa enabled in xorg. Maybe that's why it's slow. |
| 17:14.04 | BubbaT | Hi, how do i install flash in firefox on lenny? |
| 17:14.32 | ranix | BubbaT: you can get it direct from mozilla, and I recall there being a dmm package called flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:14.35 | ranix | ehr |
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| 17:14.38 | ranix | direct from adobe |
| 17:14.58 | \amethyst | flashplugin-nonfree is in lenny-backports |
| 17:15.01 | \amethyst | !bpo |
| 17:15.01 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 17:15.05 | HTT-Bird | BubbaT, use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:15.09 | \amethyst | (in contrib) |
| 17:15.09 | rasuaq | hi all, i'm attempting to install lenny 5.0.3. I created the netinst cd but when I boot, I get a long beep and the initial debian scren is frozen |
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| 17:15.26 | HTT-Bird | rasuaq, that long beep sounds like a POST issue |
| 17:15.26 | ranix | isn't it non-free not contrib? |
| 17:15.36 | HTT-Bird | yes, it's non-free, not contrib. heh. |
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| 17:15.40 | rasuaq | i have amd64 and made correct amd64 cd, could it be some other hardware problem? |
| 17:15.43 | \amethyst | ranix: it's in contrib because the package itself doesn't contain flash |
| 17:15.46 | ranix | ah I see |
| 17:15.48 | \amethyst | ranix: it's a downloader |
| 17:16.11 | HTT-Bird | oh yeah...heh, it is in contrib. |
| 17:16.24 | Coldfusiontorm | could somebody helo me install hamachi? |
| 17:16.53 | HTT-Bird | :( sid's still at 7.5 mesa (which is broken for me) |
| 17:16.55 | rasuaq | htt-bird, but i have windows running fine on it |
| 17:17.09 | HTT-Bird | rasuaq, odd...when does it beep? |
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| 17:17.51 | rasuaq | htt-bird, i boot from cd and the first screen that appears, it makes a 2 second beep then same screen is frozen, i tried unplugging keyboard but it is usb |
| 17:17.52 | HTT-Bird | (as in, when during the boot sequence?) |
| 17:18.10 | rasuaq | the screen is the first debian screen you see |
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| 17:18.48 | HTT-Bird | rasuaq, sounds like either the bootloader or the kernel on the CD has given up the ghost |
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| 17:19.05 | rasuaq | htt-bird i looked it up in google and it says hardware related but i'm running amd64 arch, i tried making a new cd too just in case still same issue |
| 17:19.35 | HTT-Bird | rasuaq, did your googling tell you if the long beep was being put out by the bootloader or the kernel? |
| 17:19.52 | rasuaq | http-bird, yes same exact issue |
| 17:20.09 | rasuaq | http-bird o sorry no it didn't |
| 17:20.17 | Coldfusiontorm | im trying to intsall a package (libstdc++6-4.1-dev) since hamachi want it, but aptitude wont let me install it when i press G?, give or take? |
| 17:20.20 | HTT-Bird | lol, no p in my nick |
| 17:20.31 | rasuaq | htt-bird sorry:( |
| 17:20.53 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, lenny or squeeze? |
| 17:21.01 | |Den| | try apt-get install libstdc++6-4.1-dev |
| 17:21.02 | Coldfusiontorm | etch |
| 17:21.14 | rasuaq | htt-bird, i'm not debian experienced, i think i will try etch unless anyone has other ideas |
| 17:21.51 | HTT-Bird | rasuaq, no...this sounds like something else is wrong |
| 17:21.51 | Coldfusiontorm | cant fine the package.... |
| 17:21.57 | Coldfusiontorm | *find |
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| 17:22.05 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, what G++ version are you running? |
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| 17:22.22 | HTT-Bird | (just do 'g++ --version' from a shell) |
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| 17:22.45 | ghostman | from a nut-shell? |
| 17:22.46 | Coldfusiontorm | lol |
| 17:22.48 | Coldfusiontorm | none. |
| 17:22.52 | Coldfusiontorm | version |
| 17:23.03 | Coldfusiontorm | no such file or filcatalouge |
| 17:23.18 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, oh. install GCC first |
| 17:23.33 | Coldfusiontorm | on it ;D |
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| 17:23.43 | HTT-Bird | no wonder Aptitude wasn't letting you pull the package in, it's utterly useless to install a -dev package when you don't have a compiler! |
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| 17:24.32 | valdyn | uh? |
| 17:24.34 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, make sure you install G++ as well |
| 17:24.46 | valdyn | im sure aptitude handles dependencies automagically |
| 17:25.00 | HTT-Bird | valdyn, true 99.999% of the time. :) |
| 17:25.01 | Coldfusiontorm | hmm, ah. well, apg-get is stuck now anyways |
| 17:25.22 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, if apt-get is sticking, this sounds like an APT problem after all |
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| 17:26.51 | Coldfusiontorm | wait |
| 17:26.51 | Coldfusiontorm | there was something in between the lines |
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| 17:27.02 | Kobaz | what's the price? |
| 17:27.03 | Kobaz | er |
| 17:27.03 | Coldfusiontorm | g++ is newest version |
| 17:27.21 | HTT-Bird | ah |
| 17:27.40 | Coldfusiontorm | o,0, but g++ still reports nothing |
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| 17:28.22 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, apt-get clean and see if that works |
| 17:28.24 | themill | Coldfusiontorm: "nothing"? |
| 17:28.34 | HTT-Bird | wait... |
| 17:28.43 | HTT-Bird | pastebin what you get from 'g++ --version' |
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| 17:29.02 | Coldfusiontorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.03 | Coldfusiontorm | g++: version: Ingen sådan fil eller filkatalog |
| 17:29.03 | Coldfusiontorm | g++: no input files |
| 17:29.16 | HTT-Bird | and also what 'apt-get install libstdc++6-4.1-dev' tells you |
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| 17:29.23 | abrotman | it's -version i think |
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| 17:29.25 | themill | dpkg: tell Coldfusiontorm about pastebin |
| 17:29.28 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, oh, it's 'g++ --version' |
| 17:29.34 | abrotman | oh .. -- |
| 17:29.42 | Coldfusiontorm | ah |
| 17:29.47 | Coldfusiontorm | its there |
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| 17:30.04 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, g++ -version = "unrecognized option '-version'" |
| 17:30.08 | Coldfusiontorm | still want pastebin it? |
| 17:30.14 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, yeah |
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| 17:30.52 | Coldfusiontorm | http://pastebin.org/29597 |
| 17:30.55 | Coldfusiontorm | :7 |
| 17:31.03 | NoCode | With uxa enabled in xorg, should I have anything enabled in /etc/modules? |
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| 17:31.18 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, yeah, it's a 4.1.x |
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| 17:31.35 | Coldfusiontorm | is that a problem? |
| 17:31.49 | HTT-Bird | so if you have G++ installed, you should have the matching libstdc++6-dev package too |
| 17:31.58 | Coldfusiontorm | hmm |
| 17:32.07 | Coldfusiontorm | hmm. |
| 17:32.15 | cahoot | NoCode: just FYI uxa is enabled here without any xorg.conf at all |
| 17:32.17 | Coldfusiontorm | then the problem is that it needs a older version! |
| 17:32.22 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, pastebin what 'apt-get install libstdc++6-4.1-dev' gives you |
| 17:32.34 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, no, I wouldn't draw that conclusion yet |
| 17:33.00 | Coldfusiontorm | if i told you that i asks for the lib that is v5? |
| 17:33.03 | Coldfusiontorm | and not v6? |
| 17:33.13 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, that would be WEIRD. |
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| 17:33.23 | Coldfusiontorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.29 | themill | you mean libstdc++5? |
| 17:33.30 | Coldfusiontorm | il find the hamachi line and start with that |
| 17:33.32 | Coldfusiontorm | yes |
| 17:33.42 | themill | judd versions libstdc++5 |
| 17:33.42 | judd | themill: libstdc++5 -- etch: 1:3.3.6-15 lenny: 1:3.3.6-18 squeeze: 1:3.3.6-18 |
| 17:33.51 | HTT-Bird | oh... |
| 17:33.54 | HTT-Bird | libstdc++5 |
| 17:33.59 | HTT-Bird | that explains the confusion |
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| 17:34.12 | HTT-Bird | but it sounds bizarre that you have a package that requires a compiler that old |
| 17:34.26 | Coldfusiontorm | http://pastebin.org/29600 |
| 17:34.27 | themill | !sidsmite HTT-Bird |
| 17:34.28 | dpkg | smacks HTT-Bird with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 17:34.30 | ranix | nobody even uses c++ |
| 17:34.34 | themill | ahhh... those were the days.... |
| 17:34.46 | HTT-Bird | :o |
| 17:34.53 | NoCode | hmm, I don't know what to do then. My xorg is quite configured. I moved the configured xorg from lenny to squeeze. Somehow I had exa enabled, so I switched to uxa. It's working, but working the same as when exa was defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 17:35.01 | Coldfusiontorm | wait...nobody uses c++? |
| 17:35.06 | Coldfusiontorm | o,0 |
| 17:35.33 | HTT-Bird | ranix, um, there are some things Java/.NET/even Python aren't suitable for... |
| 17:35.36 | ranix | assert("C++ is the wrong language for any application"); |
| 17:35.58 | Coldfusiontorm | HTTP-bird?, does the pastebin makes sense to you? |
| 17:36.12 | stew | Coldfusiontorm: libstdc++.so.5 is VERY old, is there really not a version of whatever that is compiled against a recent version of the standard libraries? |
| 17:36.14 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: why are you confused? you're using some binary application that is broken ? |
| 17:36.24 | HTT-Bird | and C isn't the answer either, unless you are willing to apply quite a bit of rigor to your coding style |
| 17:36.30 | ranix | !start a language war |
| 17:36.31 | dpkg | C++ is better than C |
| 17:36.34 | ranix | argh! |
| 17:36.39 | Coldfusiontorm | aww, for f's! sake! |
| 17:36.39 | stew | nicely done |
| 17:36.40 | themill | ranix: fail |
| 17:36.58 | ranix | no seriously C is always a better choice than C++ |
| 17:37.03 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, yeah, you have a program that is asking for a very old version of the standard C++ libs |
| 17:37.04 | AimHere | Well that's dpkg versus the whole room. I think dpkg will win |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | ranix: #debian-offtopic |
| 17:37.09 | ranix | if only to keep retarded C++ programmers out of your project |
| 17:37.17 | Coldfusiontorm | and the new version have prosessor optimitations that wont work on this Pc.... |
| 17:37.23 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, eh? |
| 17:37.35 | HTT-Bird | new version of hamachi, you mean? |
| 17:37.54 | Coldfusiontorm | yeah, or...wait, no... |
| 17:37.56 | Coldfusiontorm | thats not it... |
| 17:38.00 | HTT-Bird | ranix, if you want to keep retards out of your project, I'd start working in Haskell xD |
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| 17:38.09 | Coldfusiontorm | its the same version, this one just dont have optimisations... |
| 17:38.10 | HTT-Bird | or Lisp for that matter |
| 17:38.19 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: go to #debian-offtopic to discuss this |
| 17:38.25 | ranix | is there |
| 17:38.45 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, hmm. you may have to pull the sources for hamachi and compile it yourself (through apt, ofc) |
| 17:38.55 | Coldfusiontorm | hmm. |
| 17:38.56 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, yeah, yeah, this one's over. xD |
| 17:39.01 | Coldfusiontorm | how do i do that? |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: apt-cache search hamachi .. install the one in apt |
| 17:39.29 | abrotman | if it's not there, then go ask them |
| 17:40.01 | HTT-Bird | *goes looking for the maintainer of that package* |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | there is no hamachi in debian .. he'll have to ask the author/upstream |
| 17:40.32 | HTT-Bird | ah. indeed, there is not |
| 17:40.46 | ma3x | whats the glibc development files package for debian? |
| 17:40.46 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, take your issue upstream then m8 |
| 17:40.55 | Coldfusiontorm | upstream? |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | ma3x: libc6-dev ? |
| 17:40.58 | Coldfusiontorm | o,0 |
| 17:40.59 | stew | judd: versions libstdc++5 |
| 17:41.00 | judd | stew: libstdc++5 -- etch: 1:3.3.6-15 lenny: 1:3.3.6-18 squeeze: 1:3.3.6-18 |
| 17:41.06 | stew | whaddya know |
| 17:41.06 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: the people that wrote the crap that doesn't work |
| 17:41.29 | Coldfusiontorm | its properly a fault on my side. |
| 17:41.42 | stew | Coldfusiontorm: you need to install libstdc++5 and I don't know what you are doing but perhaps gcc-3.3 |
| 17:41.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i'm sure it is .. |
| 17:42.15 | ma3x | i have libc6-dev installed why am i getting this error after 20 mins of kernel compiling? http://pastebin.ca/1584569 |
| 17:42.56 | zagibu | am I right to assume that a shared home directory between different distros is not a good idea? |
| 17:43.00 | HTT-Bird | sys/ is kernel headers, right? |
| 17:43.08 | Tired | zagibu, depends |
| 17:43.27 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, if you want to, install libstdc++5 and g++-3.3 |
| 17:43.46 | zagibu | I've seen lots of articles praising this, but I think some personal settings files might differ between distros and be overwritten by the second install |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: that package isn't available in unstable .. what part of this is hard to understand |
| 17:43.49 | stew | zagibu: it should be fine |
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| 17:43.50 | HTT-Bird | *if you want to make it work without contacting upstream |
| 17:44.08 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, he can pull it from "the past" |
| 17:44.17 | Coldfusiontorm | what? |
| 17:44.23 | abrotman | that's not a very good idea |
| 17:44.24 | Tired | zagibu, you get some problems because the config files in home are for/from one version of a software you use in both but the other version might need a different one |
| 17:44.24 | Coldfusiontorm | echt shoulndt be unstable? |
| 17:44.25 | Coldfusiontorm | :O |
| 17:44.41 | zagibu | Tired: yeah, that's what I thought, thanks |
| 17:44.42 | HTT-Bird | I've actually done that on this box for Mesa/the intel-drivers, as the version in Sqeeze is broken for me |
| 17:44.47 | Coldfusiontorm | flys straight into the box of bricks that is linux for him |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: didn't you tell us before you were running unstable/sid ? |
| 17:44.58 | Coldfusiontorm | echt |
| 17:45.04 | HTT-Bird | and GCC is designed to get along with other versions of itself |
| 17:45.10 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: etch ? |
| 17:45.17 | Coldfusiontorm | yes |
| 17:45.17 | Tired | zagibu, but it's normally not too tragic |
| 17:45.32 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: did you try installing the package that they told you to install 15 minutes ago? |
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| 17:45.45 | zagibu | Tired: well, I think I'll just make a separate shared partition and mount it into home |
| 17:46.02 | Coldfusiontorm | g++? |
| 17:46.03 | Coldfusiontorm | yes |
| 17:46.05 | Coldfusiontorm | it was there |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | no ... |
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| 17:47.22 | Coldfusiontorm | hmmm. |
| 17:47.25 | Coldfusiontorm | if i use the new version |
| 17:47.28 | Coldfusiontorm | it sig kills |
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| 17:47.40 | Coldfusiontorm | if i use the old version it need that shared object |
| 17:47.44 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: i think you should ask your system admin to help you |
| 17:47.53 | Coldfusiontorm | well, thats the scary thing. |
| 17:47.58 | Coldfusiontorm | i AM the sys admin |
| 17:47.59 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, I think he IS the system admin in question :( |
| 17:48.27 | void_pointer | lol |
| 17:48.31 | yang | How do I reset sound device without rebooting - [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 17:48.44 | Coldfusiontorm | well, im a super user, but in need of sys admins, im also that |
| 17:48.59 | HTT-Bird | ma3x, btw...isn't sys/ kernel headers and stuff like that, not libc headers? |
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| 17:49.07 | HTT-Bird | because this sounds like a kernel-headers blooper |
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| 17:50.20 | ma3x | HTT-Bird: i already have the kernel headers installed, dunno why its displaying that error |
| 17:50.25 | Coldfusiontorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.38 | HTT-Bird | ma3x, maybe they are the wrong headers, or something else is goofy? |
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| 17:50.41 | Coldfusiontorm | this is the exact libary that it cant find the shared object from |
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| 17:50.54 | Coldfusiontorm | *cannot open |
| 17:50.57 | abrotman | Coldfusiontorm: they told you which package to install 20 minutes ago |
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| 17:51.25 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, install G++ 3.3 and the matching libstdc++5-dev package and rebuild hamachi against that |
| 17:51.41 | abrotman | i don't need help installing this junk .. and he doesn't need to recompile it |
| 17:51.48 | stew | libstdc++5-dev? |
| 17:51.59 | HTT-Bird | stew, libstdc++5-3.3-dev in his case |
| 17:52.12 | Coldfusiontorm | okay il try it |
| 17:52.20 | abrotman | it's nto going to help at all |
| 17:52.49 | Coldfusiontorm | so what do you suggest that i do then? |
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| 17:53.01 | HTT-Bird | Coldfusiontorm, the best approach is to get on upstream's case |
| 17:53.14 | Coldfusiontorm | to find the authors? |
| 17:53.14 | stew | use openvpn? |
| 17:53.25 | HTT-Bird | yeah...or use a substitute, as stew suggests |
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| 17:53.39 | stew | why is this software not in debian? is it non-free? |
| 17:53.41 | pinholecamera | hey folks, how goes it |
| 17:53.55 | pinholecamera | is it possible to get latest mysql server in etch? |
| 17:53.56 | Coldfusiontorm | Googleing OpenVPN |
| 17:54.00 | Titan8990 | stew, hamachi is proprietary |
| 17:54.12 | Titan8990 | free under certain conditions |
| 17:54.15 | pinholecamera | i just apt-get upgraded mysql and it looks like i am still on the same version |
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| 17:54.56 | Coldfusiontorm | zero configuration my a** |
| 17:55.02 | Coldfusiontorm | sigh, |
| 17:55.12 | Coldfusiontorm | goes to Webz surfing |
| 17:55.23 | Coldfusiontorm | for OpenVPN, substitue |
| 17:55.42 | stew | Coldfusiontorm: what are you trying to accomplish with hamachi? |
| 17:55.56 | Titan8990 | i would assume a private LAN |
| 17:56.10 | Coldfusiontorm | Yeah, a private lan with a couple of guys |
| 17:56.11 | Titan8990 | don't think it does anything else |
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| 18:00.20 | Tired | what's supposed to happen when you call "qtiplot"? |
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| 18:01.35 | themill | Tired: last time I looked at it, you got a window a lot like Origin |
| 18:01.39 | Comnenus | Is there a dpkg option to just install the package, and skip the menus to configure it? (specifically, ldap) |
| 18:02.07 | Tired | ok... thought it was supposed to be graphically... I called it and what happens is exactly... nothing |
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| 18:18.32 | d_b | Would it be easy to set Midnight Commander up so it opens files with the same programs that Nautilus has as default? I've only ever tried Midnight Commander for a few minutes, but I want to use the mouse as little as possible and mc seems like a good step towards that. |
| 18:19.16 | AppDeb | d_b: I use mc with mouse :P |
| 18:19.21 | CharminTheMoose | hey all, I just upgraded to grub2. What file do I edit to re-insert my windows boot line? |
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| 18:20.42 | d_b | AppDeb: that would defeat my purpose :) |
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| 18:21.00 | SPF | I use mc with the keyboard. But only for ftp. |
| 18:21.14 | petemc | d_b: i dont use mc, but i would imagine you can set up what opens what in ~/.mailcap |
| 18:21.23 | Titan8990 | !tell CharminTheMoose about grub2 |
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| 18:21.43 | fredl | I should know, as one of the original authors :P |
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| 18:22.17 | dp | why is ffmpeg in lenny compiled with --disable-encoder=mpeg4 ? |
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| 18:22.22 | Titan8990 | fredl, of? |
| 18:22.27 | fredl | mc |
| 18:22.38 | Titan8990 | really? thats pretty cool |
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| 18:22.53 | gasg | hello |
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| 18:23.00 | fredl | fredl@omega:~$ grep fredl /usr/share/doc/mc/AUTHORS |
| 18:23.03 | fredl | yay :) |
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| 18:23.06 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
| 18:23.11 | fredl | it's over a decade ago though. |
| 18:23.52 | d_b | petemc: hm, I don't have that file (but I do have mc installed). |
| 18:23.54 | gasg | please any torrent link to get lenny DVD? |
| 18:24.01 | petemc | d_b: you can create it |
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| 18:24.28 | dp | gasg: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 18:24.34 | fredl | from back in the days that we'd submit a handsigned form to RMS :P |
| 18:24.38 | gasg | dp: thank you |
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| 18:24.53 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, um, yeah, I still can't find it. ^_^ |
| 18:25.10 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, its either /boot/grub.cfg or /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 18:25.16 | petemc | dp: i use ffmpeg from debian multimedia and its not compiled like that here |
| 18:25.16 | petemc | ] |
| 18:25.31 | Titan8990 | dp, i bet its DFSG related |
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| 18:25.38 | gasg | 5 DVDs? |
| 18:25.38 | dp | Titan8990: DFSG? |
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| 18:25.45 | Titan8990 | !dfsg |
| 18:25.46 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:26.09 | d_b | Ah, just found Gnome Commander, maybe that's something for me http://www.nongnu.org/gcmd/ |
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| 18:26.29 | Kobaz | i've found that kfm is a bit better |
| 18:26.44 | gasg | hey, why 5 DVDs to install debian? |
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| 18:27.13 | d_b | Kobaz: the online file manager? ajax? |
| 18:27.14 | Titan8990 | gasg, they contain all the packages... you can install it off the netinst cds which are very small |
| 18:27.17 | mesa_booger | gasg: maybe it takes that many to hold every single package |
| 18:27.27 | dp | petemc: I lied. it's squeeze, not lenny |
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| 18:27.40 | Titan8990 | gasg, the only reason you would need the DVDs (that I can think of) is if you did not have a net connection or had dialup |
| 18:27.44 | gasg | ah, ok, then I have cd1, I can install from it? |
| 18:27.47 | Kobaz | d_b: no the local file manager that uses kde |
| 18:27.54 | mesa_booger | gasg: you only need the first cd/dvd or netinstall. the rest can all be got online |
| 18:27.56 | Titan8990 | gasg, netisnt is the preferred method |
| 18:28.03 | francesco4 | hi |
| 18:28.04 | Titan8990 | !tell gasg about install guide |
| 18:28.06 | francesco4 | hello everybody |
| 18:28.16 | gasg | ok thanks ! :) |
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| 18:28.40 | Comnenus | Does dpkg have an option to just install the package and skip the configuration menus? |
| 18:28.40 | Kobaz | d_b: wait no... it's xfe |
| 18:28.41 | simonrvn | um, wth do you get old stuff? SDN seems dead. |
| 18:28.42 | gasg | yes I prefer netinstall but I'm don't able to configure wifi connection to get it working |
| 18:28.47 | francesco4 | i need some support to avoid me to reinstall debian cause after a resume procedure (suspend) X stop to work |
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| 18:29.30 | d_b | Kobaz: Is it keyboard friendly? |
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| 18:29.34 | francesco4 | anybody could give me some support to solve it ? my debian is still operative the only big problem is X |
| 18:29.35 | Kobaz | dunno |
| 18:29.49 | mesa_booger | Comnenus: don't cli progs come with man pages these days ? |
| 18:29.54 | simonrvn | i need the old xorg, and i add the relevant line in sources.list, and i just get a fricking 404 |
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| 18:30.01 | Kobaz | d_b: maybe? |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | Comnenus: you can set your debconf priority higher |
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| 18:30.52 | simonrvn | abrotman: do you know what happened? |
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| 18:32.11 | Comnenus | abrotman: looking into that, thanks |
| 18:32.37 | CharminTheMoose | So, in /boot/grub.cfg, what do I type to boot from windows? |
| 18:32.52 | simonrvn | you don't edit that directly |
| 18:33.04 | francesco4 | anyone for me ? |
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| 18:33.06 | CharminTheMoose | simonrvn, sorry, just did. :-) |
| 18:33.13 | simonrvn | (you can, but it gets overwritten) |
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| 18:33.28 | CharminTheMoose | ok then, how can I make permenant changes? |
| 18:33.41 | simonrvn | /etc/default/grub /etc/grub.d |
| 18:33.56 | simonrvn | 'permanent' |
| 18:34.06 | francesco4 | i'm afraid u can't read me cause i'm on web irc interface ... can u confirm u can read my message here ? |
| 18:34.25 | simonrvn | francesco4: no, we don't see your messages |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: to what ? |
| 18:34.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: sdn, it's dead |
| 18:34.58 | abrotman | been dead for awhile |
| 18:35.03 | francesco4 | but u can §:P |
| 18:35.09 | mesa_booger | CharminTheMoose: here's a small example of a dual-boot done both in grub1 and in grub2 - http://nopaste.com/p/aQdxM3rvt |
| 18:35.17 | simonrvn | yeh. was hoping that there'd be some alternate |
| 18:35.22 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: http://paste.debian.net/47773/ |
| 18:35.24 | francesco4 | so any idea about a bad suspend problem ? |
| 18:35.29 | jelly-home | that's grub2, CharminTheMoose |
| 18:35.46 | francesco4 | i don't like reinstall |
| 18:36.33 | simonrvn | CharminTheMoose: i installed os-prober and it does it for me (now). before i'd have to add extra stuff but recent updates to grub2 do it auto. |
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| 18:37.09 | simonrvn | abrotman: so seeing from your lack of response, i take it there's no alternate to sdn? |
| 18:37.39 | stew | there is an official one |
| 18:37.42 | stew | its not public yet, thoguh |
| 18:37.44 | stew | though* |
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| 18:37.49 | simonrvn | francesco4: um, why would you reinstall because of a problem with x? |
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| 18:37.56 | simonrvn | stew: mm, ok. thanks |
| 18:38.01 | jelly-home | stew: who do we have to ping? |
| 18:38.06 | jelly-home | bribe? |
| 18:38.19 | simonrvn | cajole? |
| 18:38.24 | stew | jelly-home: DSA, i think |
| 18:38.31 | jelly-home | beerize? |
| 18:38.33 | stew | jelly-home: but I'd recommend against it |
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| 18:39.30 | jelly-home | stew: I've forgotten our past conversation about this topic, what does that DSA expand to again? |
| 18:39.50 | francesco4 | simonrv: cause i don't know how to solve it : it doesn't seams to depend on Xorg.conf, and i reisntall all xserver-? packet |
| 18:40.12 | HairyDude | does aptitude respect /etc/apt/preferences? specifically with regard to pinning |
| 18:40.13 | francesco4 | simonv: alone i can't go on |
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| 18:40.44 | simonrvn | francesco4: well, you haven't really explained what's going on, other than saying what the problem is. |
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| 18:41.04 | shivraj | whats the best supported video card for linux ? |
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| 18:41.32 | jelly-home | !x-problems |
| 18:41.32 | dpkg | Xorg-problems-tell us: graphics card Ask me <whats my hardware> to find out, xorg-module used grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf, kernel module for card lsmod , messages on loading the module un-/re-load: "rmmod mymodule;modprobe mymodule;dmesg; content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log . Without X? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 18:41.34 | stew | jelly-home: it expands to like 4 different things, in this case its Debian System Administrators |
| 18:41.37 | francesco4 | simonv: the problem is that after kernel boot (everything seam ok here) X apperar to me ass a black screen |
| 18:41.41 | simonrvn | shivraj: old and slightly old ati cards, ime |
| 18:42.00 | simonrvn | francesco4: the nick is 'simonrvn' |
| 18:42.15 | emaia | hello |
| 18:42.28 | francesco4 | simonv: cant' switch to a terminal, and if i try single user mode : if i try start startkde -> it give me an error on $DISPLAY |
| 18:42.44 | francesco4 | simonrvn: sorry |
| 18:42.46 | jelly-home | ah, http://dsa.debian.org/ |
| 18:42.55 | shivraj | simonrvn: are you serious ? |
| 18:43.04 | emaia | anyone knows where find ulogd-1.24 for Etch distribuiton? I only find for lenny. thks |
| 18:43.13 | simonrvn | IME = in my experience |
| 18:43.20 | shivraj | I think nvidia is better, I have an onboard ati video card and its using vesa right now, is there anything else ? |
| 18:43.25 | jelly-home | shivraj: srsly, radeon 9200 work very well |
| 18:43.48 | shivraj | with what driver do you guys use ati with ? |
| 18:43.53 | shivraj | radeon ? ati ? |
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| 18:43.59 | simonrvn | shivraj: so, yes, seriously. i'm talking Free drivers, not binary-only crap. |
| 18:44.13 | stew | jelly-home: and http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA |
| 18:44.17 | francesco4 | simonrvn: $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server |
| 18:44.20 | shivraj | what about this xorg.conf .. should I use that ? or delete it ? |
| 18:44.22 | francesco4 | any idea = |
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| 18:44.24 | francesco4 | ? |
| 18:44.26 | simonrvn | my radeon 9k uses radeon |
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| 18:44.53 | simonrvn | francesco4: so start the box without x (/msg dpkg nodm) |
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| 18:45.05 | shivraj | I have ati hd 4200 .. any suggestions as to what driver to use ? |
| 18:45.07 | jelly-home | francesco4: read dpkg's line about x-problems above. Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:45.08 | maligor | heh, tried the radeon devel on my r600 of recent, it liked to crash the system but opengl worked sort of |
| 18:45.21 | francesco4 | simonrvn : i'm in front of box shell |
| 18:45.36 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 18:45.36 | dpkg | i heard pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 18:45.38 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:45.38 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 18:45.46 | simonrvn | francesco4: yes, and so am i |
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| 18:46.01 | jelly-home | francesco4: use pastebinit or a similar command line way to pastebin the files. |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | francesco4: does X start if you do "startx" instead of "startkde"? |
| 18:46.33 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 18:46.35 | francesco4 | simonrv: i have problem now to do a paste of Xorg.0.log cause on my box no X :P |
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| 18:46.43 | maligor | shivraj, you'll have to use fglrx with it if you want 3d acceleration |
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| 18:46.55 | jelly-home | francesco4: read what dpkg said about pastebinit and pastebin pipe |
| 18:46.59 | francesco4 | jelly-home: i have no starx here. donno y |
| 18:47.08 | simonrvn | francesco4: you should be using 'startx' and put 'startkde' in ~/.xsession ; startkde isn't really meant to be run directly from console. |
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| 18:47.26 | jelly-home | francesco4: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:47.31 | hanibana | I'm using Debian Lenny 32 bit.. but I see that my notebook is 64bit ... so does it make any difference for speed and performance to install a 64 bit Debian Lenny? |
| 18:47.38 | francesco4 | jelly-home: sid |
| 18:47.46 | maligor | hanibana, not really |
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| 18:47.49 | simonrvn | knew it was sid |
| 18:47.51 | shivraj | maligor: what if I dont want to use 3d ? I did X -configure ... to generate a config file and it used vesa as driver, I doesnt start up with radeon or ati |
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| 18:48.12 | simonrvn | francesco4: curious, what graphics card do you have there? |
| 18:48.12 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 18:48.12 | shivraj | *it |
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| 18:48.20 | maligor | hanibana, some things are marginally faster on amd64 |
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| 18:48.24 | simonrvn | shivraj: so edit it |
| 18:48.24 | JosefAssad | quick question, what file am i supposed to add a module to to get it loaded at boot time? |
| 18:48.27 | jelly-home | francesco4: why are you using sid with your level of experience? |
| 18:48.43 | Anti-T_ | qq1 a une idée comment empecher tout les pkg xorg de s'upgrader ? |
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| 18:48.50 | simonrvn | jelly-home: because all the cool kids do it |
| 18:48.54 | francesco4 | simonrv: my Xorg.0.log end witrh a fatal server error and a Backtrace |
| 18:48.55 | Anti-T_ | aptitude hold xorg* |
| 18:48.56 | o2T7 | How could I convert a firewire DV cam into a v4l2 device? |
| 18:48.58 | Anti-T_ | un truc du genre |
| 18:48.58 | jelly-home | falls back to offering hourly rates for handholding |
| 18:49.19 | CharminTheMoose | Thanks alot to everyone who's helped me so far! |
| 18:49.22 | francesco4 | jelly-home: the problem is not sid or my experience |
| 18:49.26 | maligor | shivraj, if you're using lenny it might not have your card pci-id in it |
| 18:49.29 | CharminTheMoose | Just one or two more questions. |
| 18:49.31 | CharminTheMoose | This time relating to Xorg |
| 18:49.34 | hanibana | maligor: so you mean its not worth installing. and difference won't be sensible. |
| 18:49.35 | Suppermann | Hi. I have a program that I want to run on my other computer, so that i can execute it through ssh. It's a graphical program, but it is not required to watch it to control it. Is there a way to use a 'dummy display' so I can run the program through ssh/terminal? |
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| 18:49.45 | maligor | 4200 seems to be a 785G IGP |
| 18:49.51 | francesco4 | jelly-home: that was an accident, however i use it also cause it is a good way to learn |
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| 18:50.15 | JosefAssad | oh, /etc/modules duh |
| 18:50.16 | CharminTheMoose | I'm running the DWM window manager, and I'm noticing a very very noticable delay when re-drawing windows, such as iceweasel or amsn. What can I do about this? |
| 18:50.27 | simonrvn | francesco4: answer my question please |
| 18:50.44 | jelly-home | francesco4: I won't interfere with your learning process then, cheers |
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| 18:50.53 | jelly-home | !unstable |
| 18:50.53 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 18:51.06 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, with what graphics driver? |
| 18:51.28 | simonrvn | francesco4: you should learn from 'stable' first. |
| 18:51.29 | francesco4 | simonrvn: sorry i can't find your question can u repeat it |
| 18:51.43 | simonrvn | 14:48 < simonrvn> francesco4: curious, what graphics card do you have there? |
| 18:51.48 | hanibana | thanks maligor. |
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| 18:52.06 | francesco4 | simonrvn: ati 9800 pro |
| 18:52.12 | francesco4 | simonrvn: rv300 |
| 18:52.15 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, damn, I haven't been asked that in a while, how can I found out? :/ |
| 18:52.16 | Titan8990 | francesco4, if you want to be force-fed linux knowledge via troubleshooting, use gentoo, not debian unstable |
| 18:52.22 | simonrvn | francesco4: check the BTS, i just filed a bug report |
| 18:52.28 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 18:52.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 18:52.31 | CharminTheMoose | Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) is what lspci spews out |
| 18:52.37 | simonrvn | francesco4: ^^^ |
| 18:52.37 | Titan8990 | francesco4, because things in gentoo will work given enough tinkering, there and things that will break in sid and won't work period |
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| 18:52.50 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:52.50 | simonrvn | Titan8990++ |
| 18:52.51 | maligor | Titan8990, what things? :P |
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| 18:52.53 | jelly-home | Suppermann: you might have to use vnc or xvfb |
| 18:53.02 | francesco4 | Titan8990: i like debian ! |
| 18:53.08 | maligor | I suppose there was the mess with ia32-apt-get |
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| 18:53.15 | Titan8990 | maligor, a broken perl package was added to unstable just today.... |
| 18:53.24 | maligor | oh nice, didn't notice |
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| 18:53.41 | Suppermann | jelly-home, why? the point is that i dont want to slow down the computations because of the graphics rendering being transmitted over the network, sort of thing |
| 18:53.41 | francesco4 | simonrvn: the mistake was caused by a suspend procedure that break my X |
| 18:53.56 | francesco4 | simonrvn: my card workded well also with composite ec... |
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| 18:54.11 | maligor | Titan8990, but you can tinker that fixed :P |
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| 18:54.11 | Titan8990 | francesco4, i do as well.... debian stable where you need a machine to work, gentoo for your learning experience |
| 18:54.26 | jelly-home | Suppermann: oh, you don't have to attach a vnc client to the vnc server. |
| 18:54.30 | Titan8990 | maligor, lol probably not in a "debian" way though |
| 18:54.39 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/1584716 |
| 18:54.49 | francesco4 | Titan8990: but i have only a machine so ... |
| 18:54.52 | CharminTheMoose | I've just recently did a dist-upgrade on my debian testing so.... :P |
| 18:54.58 | jelly-home | Suppermann: without a client, there's no network traffic |
| 18:55.05 | CharminTheMoose | forgive the n00b-ish questions |
| 18:55.06 | maligor | Titan8990, depends, happen to know what version the broken one is, I'll try to avoid it :P |
| 18:55.15 | Titan8990 | francesco4, ehh, time to hit up craigslist and buy a $30 PC no one wants anymore |
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| 18:55.32 | CharminTheMoose | FWIW, I didn't experience any redraw delay with Xorg before. :/ |
| 18:55.37 | maligor | oh well, I'll just go look |
| 18:56.09 | francesco4 | : so any test i can try to solve it = |
| 18:56.19 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, your using the correct drivers, that is what i was looking for so not sure |
| 18:56.25 | Suppermann | jelly-home, im not sure I understand |
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| 18:56.57 | Titan8990 | francesco4, another thing about unstable is that its typically not supported by the community, and that includes here |
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| 18:57.08 | uc50ic4more | Hello, friends -- a couple of days ago I installed the evil proprietary nvidia driver on a lenny system for a newly installed FX 5200 card. My mouse (and general GUI, on gnome) is freezing now when the computer is left idly for some time. My first inclination is to remove the evil driver and use Debian's, but I do not know how to *remove* a kernel module. Anyone have any thoughts on this? |
| 18:57.28 | francesco4 | Titan8990: linux is linux not stable or not stable |
| 18:57.30 | CharminTheMoose | oh yeah Titan8990 I get an MTRR error when I finally do exit close the X window system.... youtube is unwatchable. :/ |
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| 18:57.38 | Titan8990 | francesco4, bullshit |
| 18:57.52 | jelly-home | Suppermann: unix vnc servers typically do not attach to a running X session, but start a separate session that looks like an X server to X apps, and like a vnc server to a vnc client |
| 18:58.03 | francesco4 | Titan8990: and i think debian sid is enought stable for my use ( except things like that ) |
| 18:58.15 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: No need to uninstall it, just blacklist it. |
| 18:58.21 | simonrvn | francesco4: you are wrong |
| 18:58.36 | Titan8990 | francesco4, i am quite experience in linux and i would never used debian sid |
| 18:58.38 | jelly-home | Suppermann: so you have a whole separate X display you can run apps on, and you may or may not actually look at the picture |
| 18:58.50 | jelly-home | Suppermann: and then there's xvfb. |
| 18:58.57 | Titan8990 | francesco4, you have a lot to learn |
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| 18:59.04 | maligor | 'stability' doesn't refer to crashes in the system anyway, but rather that the underlaying platform changes rapidly |
| 18:59.05 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo: what about my xorg.conf? should i simply reconfigure it and then begin w/ the debian driver install? |
| 18:59.09 | francesco4 | simonrvb ,Titan8990: ok u are right, if i was on stable what u suggest me to do = |
| 18:59.10 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, oh would it make any difference if my monitor was hooked up to a KVM? |
| 18:59.26 | Titan8990 | francesco4, i would suggest you really be on stable |
| 18:59.47 | CharminTheMoose | Could that cause redraw issues or could it be one huge memory leak, if youtube is unwatchable due to the amount of crappy window redrawing?? |
| 18:59.48 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, i doubt it... especially if its an MTRR eroror |
| 18:59.50 | francesco4 | Titan8990: i will answer u that i'm on it |
| 18:59.52 | Titan8990 | thats memory related |
| 18:59.59 | simonrvn | Titan8990: fwiw, perl is installing ok |
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| 19:00.06 | CharminTheMoose | Like, I press ctrl+t in iceweasel and it literally takes 1 second to open up a new tab |
| 19:00.10 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: A dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should do. |
| 19:00.23 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, it wasn't perl specifically, it was a perl lib or something like that, i will find the bts |
| 19:00.29 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo: thanks a million! |
| 19:00.37 | francesco4 | : so any way to go on... i don't pretend nothing just to know if someone want/can help me . |
| 19:00.54 | simonrvn | Titan8990: liblocale-something-perl. that worked too (i have apt-listbugs installed and working) |
| 19:01.46 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: We did run FX 5200 on etch here and are running 6200 LE lenny. |
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| 19:02.10 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, if it's an MTRR error, does that mean that my RAM is physically messed up or that perhaps xorg is doing weird things with it? |
| 19:02.10 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: (with nvidia drivers) |
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| 19:02.22 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo: do u expect that i m |
| 19:02.23 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, liblocale-gettext-perl |
| 19:02.31 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548861 |
| 19:02.42 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo: am i on the right track by substituting the drivers? |
| 19:02.59 | maligor | CharminTheMoose, (EE) intel(0): [drm] Failed to detect GEM. Kernel 2.6.28 required. |
| 19:03.02 | uc50ic4more | in your experience, are these proprietary drivers troublesome or prone to failure in some way? |
| 19:03.10 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: Did you use the lenny packages for the nvidia driver? |
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| 19:03.35 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo: sadly, *no* -- i am using the ones from nvidia |
| 19:03.57 | CharminTheMoose | maligor, GEM? |
| 19:04.02 | Titan8990 | maligor, good catch... looked twice and missed that |
| 19:04.06 | uc50ic4more | what in intend to do now is blacklist the proprietary nvidia kernel module, reset my xorg.conf and install the lenny package "from scratch" |
| 19:04.09 | maligor | CharminTheMoose, I don't really have enough experience with intel drivers to comment much on the compabilities of it tho |
| 19:04.13 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, what kernel version are you using? |
| 19:04.21 | simonrvn | ii liblocale-gettext-perl 1.05-6 ;) |
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| 19:04.31 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, 2.6.26 |
| 19:04.39 | CharminTheMoose | custom compiled |
| 19:04.43 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: Sounds OK. |
| 19:04.50 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, you need to custom compile something > 2.6.28 |
| 19:05.05 | maligor | testing doesn't have a kernel? |
| 19:05.07 | Titan8990 | CharminTheMoose, or use a debian provided kernel |
| 19:05.16 | Titan8990 | maligor, it does, some of us like our own |
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| 19:05.42 | CharminTheMoose | Titan8990, Yep, I'm gonna download and re-configure .30 now. |
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| 19:05.59 | maligor | 2.6.30 has lots of exiting changes ;P |
| 19:06.10 | ix | Hi! My computer has 74GB RAM and will do lots of finite element analysis operations -- How much swap do you think I need? |
| 19:06.11 | CharminTheMoose | But maligor would you say that having GEM would be a solution or were you just commenting on that? |
| 19:06.27 | maligor | CharminTheMoose, it just looks like your DRM is too old for the driver |
| 19:06.37 | simonrvn | CharminTheMoose: you need to keep up to date on your kernels, there's vulnerabilities about |
| 19:07.05 | maligor | GEM is just a fancy acronym for intels new drm stuff |
| 19:07.06 | CharminTheMoose | maligor, ah yes. |
| 19:07.12 | CharminTheMoose | Cool |
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| 19:07.26 | CharminTheMoose | simonrvn, oh right! :-) |
| 19:07.51 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: Better reinstall the opengl library. some libgl*-mesa* thingy. Unfortunately I do not know which. |
| 19:08.10 | maligor | simonrvn, except not that hugely important for single user systems :P |
| 19:08.13 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo - will do, thanks! |
| 19:08.14 | simonrvn | ok, lemme see if this new mesa update fixes things... |
| 19:08.25 | CharminTheMoose | But Shirley there have been such cases as mine before? |
| 19:08.29 | simonrvn | maligor: true, but better safe than sorry |
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| 19:08.39 | CharminTheMoose | inexplicable redrawing fail of the X windowing system? |
| 19:08.44 | simonrvn | 'surely'; shirley is a name |
| 19:09.27 | CharminTheMoose | simonrvn, reference to the film Aeroplane (I think is the name) starring Leslie neilson |
| 19:09.30 | ElDiabolo | uc50ic4more: The nvidia nvidia driver might have overwritten it. |
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| 19:09.51 | stuckey | For an ati x1300 card does one need just the xorg radeon driver for it to work? |
| 19:09.55 | Titan8990 | ElDiabolo, no! |
| 19:10.02 | CharminTheMoose | "But surely we must be able to do something about it" "Don't call me Shirley" |
| 19:10.03 | Titan8990 | update-alternatives --config opengl |
| 19:10.07 | Titan8990 | thats why its there |
| 19:10.27 | uc50ic4more | ElDiabolo - sure thing -- i'll just search for anything "gl" in aptitude and reinstall it :^) |
| 19:10.38 | Titan8990 | uc50ic4more, no, you use update-alternatives |
| 19:10.43 | ElDiabolo | Titan8990: He was talking (if I got him right) about a non-debian nvidia driver. |
| 19:11.08 | uc50ic4more | Titan8990: update-alternatives? |
| 19:11.09 | maligor | stuckey, and the dri/drm for 3d |
| 19:11.10 | Titan8990 | ElDiabolo, but still selecting X11 may recreate the symlinks |
| 19:11.26 | Titan8990 | uc50ic4more, yes |
| 19:11.34 | uc50ic4more | i have *currently* the official nvidia driver, would like to eradicate all traces of it, and begin anew w/ the debian drivers |
| 19:11.51 | CharminTheMoose | oh my oh my, so much redrawing fail. :P |
| 19:12.51 | helo | argh... if i interrupt an in-place gzip, is the result guaranteed to be valid based on its extension (.gz or not)? |
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| 19:14.07 | jelly-home | in-place gzip? |
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| 19:18.34 | uc50ic4more | thanks for your help, ElDiabolo and Titan8990; i am off to blacklist, reconfigure and install :^) |
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| 19:19.49 | ElDiabolo | Are there any rules against beeing a debian maintainer of software where I am the author? |
| 19:20.39 | jelly-home | ElDiabolo: no, on the contrary |
| 19:20.57 | xoz | many debian developers are authors and maintainers i think |
| 19:21.13 | jelly-home | I find some of best maintained apps are also upstream |
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| 19:22.50 | nvz | could anyone tell me why my netbook might goto suspend when I unplug the AC coord even when there is plenty of battery power? It seems to suspend as soon as AC is removed regaurdless if the lid is open and there is enough power. I am using Lenny w/ Gnome |
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| 19:24.01 | nvz | the gnome power settings seem to indicate no settings for removal of the AC only for lid switch, battey power level and inactivity time |
| 19:24.09 | HairyDude | suppose you set a pin on stable with priority 700, and unstable 600. when you do apt-get upgrade, what's supposed to happen? does it get upgrades from unstable? |
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| 19:25.05 | nvz | HairyDude: what is it you are trying to do? |
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| 19:25.28 | ElDiabolo | jelly-home: Good, then I'll go to find out how much work this means. |
| 19:25.46 | xoz | nvz: maybe acpi script is running? or acpi daemon? or any power management of gnome. |
| 19:25.49 | HairyDude | nvz: right, first of all I'm actually on ubuntu, but thought I'd ask here since you're more likely to know, and less busy :) |
| 19:26.08 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 19:26.08 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:26.09 | stew | HairyDude: we'd not recommend you do that, but you shold be asking ubuntu questions in ubuntu, not here |
| 19:26.11 | nvz | HairyDude: well thats a good way to get flamed off the network |
| 19:26.14 | stew | err in #ubuntu |
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| 19:26.31 | stuckey | judd: versions x-server-xorg-core |
| 19:26.31 | judd | stuckey: x-server-xorg-core -- |
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| 19:26.41 | HairyDude | well I also asked in #ubuntu and no one answered |
| 19:26.54 | stuckey | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:26.55 | judd | stuckey: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 squeeze: 2:1.6.3.901-1 sid: 2:1.6.4-1 |
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| 19:27.09 | myeggo | good day |
| 19:27.18 | simonrvn | the borked one is 2:1.6.4-1 |
| 19:27.39 | simonrvn | i'm downgrading mine as i speak |
| 19:27.52 | xoz | HairyDude's question is actually not ubuntu specific. it is about pin priority. |
| 19:28.02 | myeggo | im trying to burn a mp3-cd from a play list.m3u, but i dont find any software that can do that, someone can advice me? thanks in advance |
| 19:28.17 | stew | xoz: i still don't know a better place than #ubuntu to ask, maybe ##linux then, but not here |
| 19:28.20 | ElDiabolo | myeggo: mp3burn |
| 19:28.22 | xoz | forgot about pin priority aleady. |
| 19:28.35 | HairyDude | it's really an apt question, not specifically debian. but there is no #apt channel |
| 19:28.39 | xoz | !pinning |
| 19:28.39 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 19:28.50 | stew | HairyDude: yeah, so try #ubunt or maybe ##linux |
| 19:28.53 | xoz | HairyDude: ^ |
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| 19:29.28 | NoCode | Should I have DRI and DRI2 loaded in /etc/modules? |
| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | 2:1.6.3.901-1 works normally |
| 19:29.30 | myeggo | ElDiabolo: thank you, i go to find it |
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| 19:29.49 | xoz | HairyDude: and good luck to pin priority change. it will mess up your system if you're not sure what you're doing. |
| 19:29.55 | simonrvn | just tested |
| 19:29.58 | ElDiabolo | myeggo: Its a command line tool, works well. |
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| 19:30.08 | HairyDude | xoz: that's why I'm doing --dry-run all the time |
| 19:30.27 | catsup | HairyDude: your question really is ubuntu specific since ubuntu has its own releases and policies and so on |
| 19:30.32 | jelly-home | NoCode: "DRI" and "DRI2" are not kernel modules |
| 19:30.43 | catsup | [policies wrt apt priorities and such] |
| 19:30.45 | nvz | xoz: well I don't see anything running.. but obviously something is. However if this is gnome related and considering there is no setting for it in the gnome power management, then this is a serious bug because its a highly undesirable thing to be an unmodifyable default |
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| 19:30.58 | catsup | HairyDude: you should know about <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when |
| 19:30.58 | stuckey | How do I downgrade my version of xserver-xorg-core? |
| 19:31.01 | xoz | HairyDude: man apt_preferences and read ubuntu policies |
| 19:31.07 | nvz | I just wanted to unplug my laptop and carry it over to another system, but if I do that, its going to suspend and close all my ssh sessions |
| 19:31.10 | HairyDude | catsup: er, not really, I asked about apt's behaviour |
| 19:31.12 | nvz | which is a royal pita |
| 19:31.17 | catsup | HairyDude: oops i meant to say, yu should know about APT::Default-Release also |
| 19:31.19 | NoCode | hmm |
| 19:31.26 | stuckey | by adding squeeze to my sources... |
| 19:31.48 | xoz | nvz: disable any power management daemon... gnome i think has one. |
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| 19:31.55 | catsup | HairyDude: you asked apt's behavior in terms of stable/unstable |
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| 19:32.27 | HairyDude | catsup: just as an example. it could be release X and release Y |
| 19:32.36 | nvz | xoz: well that would be fine for right now I suppose if I even knew where to begin.. but I do want power management, I just do not want it to power down when the AC goes all the time |
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| 19:32.54 | nvz | I like the behavior of it suspending when I close the lid and its on battery |
| 19:33.06 | stew | HairyDude: mixing debian's stable and testing with ubuntu is a horrible idea and you'll end up with a system that neither #ubuntu nor #debian are willing to support, I'd recommend asking #ubuntu for help |
| 19:33.15 | nvz | I just do not like it suspending when the lid is open and I unplug it |
| 19:33.24 | xoz | nvz: there is a script that is triggered. so if you know what daemon for powermanagement, read the doc which script to disable. |
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| 19:33.43 | jelly-home | xoz: which doc? |
| 19:33.43 | HairyDude | sighs |
| 19:33.47 | stew | HairyDude: if you are asking about mixing stable and testing from ubuntu, i don't think that exists |
| 19:33.54 | stew | HairyDude: but in any case, you are asking in the wrong channel |
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| 19:34.01 | nvz | xoz: yeah well I don't know any of that, and obviously nobody else here knows how power management works in debian either.. heh |
| 19:34.13 | nvz | I'll just have to hunt around aimlessly at some point |
| 19:34.30 | catsup | nvz: there are multiple power management mechanisms in debian |
| 19:34.42 | xoz | nvz: check if you have acpi daemon... im not sure what event gnome is using to trigger power management. |
| 19:34.49 | nvz | catsup: I'm aware.. I've been using it for over a decade |
| 19:34.49 | catsup | nvz: first of all find out what you are using |
| 19:35.15 | xoz | nvz: try using a simple window manager to check if your desktop like gnome has this trigger point. |
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| 19:35.16 | ElDiabolo | nvz: I always disable all suspend functionality. |
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| 19:35.42 | nvz | catsup: I installed the standard desktop version of lenny, with gnome.. typically I exit D-I after base and do everything manually to avoid pulling in a bunch of crap I'm not familiar with |
| 19:35.47 | Zesturian | I'm man'ing rsync and I've come across the '-p' flag, I want to reset permissions on all the files, yet retain the original destination's contents, is this possible? |
| 19:36.00 | xoz | hates desktop. they do things like magic thinking that users are dumb to just let them do what they want.... like running all those daemons he considers *demons* |
| 19:36.16 | nvz | I agree.. I typically avoid all this crap |
| 19:36.48 | nvz | the reason I installed "standard desktop" on my netbook I would be carrying around with me everywhere, is to become aware of what a typical user deals with |
| 19:37.12 | nvz | too many times over the years I had not been able to properly support desktop installs because I've never actually used one myself.. heh |
| 19:37.23 | nvz | I know how to do things manually. |
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| 19:38.10 | nvz | all these new fangled automagic things confuse me. |
| 19:38.14 | catsup | nvz: well i believe it's gnome handling those events [through hal, dbus, etc.], and also i'm sure gnome can configure that behavior, through the gui; however, i don't use gnome myself |
| 19:38.36 | xoz | thinks a simple window manager plus a command line is all he needs to interact with computer. |
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| 19:39.29 | enmerkar | graphical web browsers are nice too |
| 19:40.05 | d_b | xoz: command line is easier once you know how to use it but it's the difficulty of getting to know it that keeps regular users away. |
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| 19:40.45 | xoz | d_b: it is easy to run by typing firefox than using a mouse and locating firefox on the menu. |
| 19:41.11 | catsup | alias ff=firefox |
| 19:41.25 | xoz | the less you use mouse and type on the keyboard, the faster will be your workflow and you can script it. |
| 19:41.32 | themill | or set Win+Z as a shortcut in $window manager.... I win. |
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| 19:42.16 | ranix | I only use keyboard shortcuts in windows |
| 19:42.24 | ranix | because that's the only place they're necessary |
| 19:42.25 | xoz | using mouse defeats the purpose of scripting which is the advantage of using linux.... |
| 19:42.32 | jacoobie | hi all, i recently installed gnome because i didnt install it during the installation, i didnt need it, now that i need it all i see is the mouse. What am i missing? |
| 19:42.46 | simonrvn | !ops created porn spam |
| 19:42.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: created porn spam |
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| 19:43.03 | ranix | I thought you were an ops |
| 19:43.06 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 19:43.15 | simonrvn | past tense |
| 19:43.18 | ranix | ah |
| 19:43.35 | d_b | xoz: sure, I agree. I don't know much but what little I can do in the terminal is enough for me to know that it's very effective. Still, it's easier to guess how to do stuff with a GUI. |
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| 19:43.40 | cafaro_ | !grub boot parameters |
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| 19:43.59 | jacoobie | Anyone? |
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| 19:44.43 | abrotman | jacoobie: did you install the 'xorg' package ? |
| 19:45.14 | d_b | jabular: gdm maybe? (a wild guess, I have no clue what I'm talking about) |
| 19:45.21 | xoz | d_b: for a long term benefit, using terminal is a good thing because you will be able to automate repetitive tasks. i only use mouse for entertainment and useless interaction with computer.... except maybe email. |
| 19:45.41 | negge | is it possible to do a block-level backup of the system disk on Linux, similar to how you can do it on Windows with VSS (volume shadow copy for those who don't know)? |
| 19:45.56 | negge | oh, and I mean a hot copy |
| 19:45.59 | negge | while the system is running |
| 19:46.00 | xoz | jacoobie: most likely, you have incomplete gnome. |
| 19:46.02 | jacoobie | abrotman: checking |
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| 19:46.09 | jacoobie | xoz sounds like it |
| 19:46.12 | jacoobie | What do i do? |
| 19:46.39 | jacoobie | abrotman: xorg appears to be on the system |
| 19:46.49 | abrotman | jacoobie: what kind of mouse is it? |
| 19:47.00 | jacoobie | PS2 |
| 19:47.10 | jacoobie | But as xoz said, its incomplete |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | jacoobie: is the psmouse module loaded ? |
| 19:47.35 | jacoobie | abrotman: nothing is showing other than the curser |
| 19:47.38 | jacoobie | The mouse works |
| 19:47.39 | xoz | jacoobie: you can install gnome (abstract package) and it will install everything about gnome.... or you can try another window manager with menu system like xfce to see if your problem is gnome. if you can see mouse pointer, it is possible you have window manager running but no menu or desktop system. |
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| 19:48.06 | catsup | negge: yes but you need to install with lvm |
| 19:48.11 | maddash | is there a listing for all the input.xkb.* options for hal? |
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| 19:48.28 | abrotman | jacoobie: i misunderstood |
| 19:48.40 | negge | catsup: why is that? |
| 19:48.45 | catsup | negge: what you want is an lvm snapshot. [however you probably don't want to actually copy blocks] |
| 19:48.54 | xoz | the default for any xsession should be to execute one terminal so that even if there are no menu or icons, you can still operate the environment |
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| 19:48.55 | jacoobie | abrotman: its ok i found a solution |
| 19:48.57 | jacoobie | apt-get install gnome |
| 19:49.01 | negge | catsup: basically my goal is to be able to backup my system disk just in case it fails |
| 19:49.01 | jacoobie | ;o) |
| 19:49.15 | abrotman | jacoobie: use aptitude install gnome |
| 19:49.24 | xoz | jacoobie: that's a one shot solution |
| 19:49.24 | catsup | negge: right. lvm snapshots are an excellent mechanism for backups |
| 19:49.40 | negge | catsup: so doing it on a basic ext3 filesystem is impossible? |
| 19:49.45 | catsup | negge: they allow you to freeze the state of a disk in time, so to speak |
| 19:49.45 | simonrvn | his gnome lost his hat |
| 19:49.55 | negge | catsup: yeah I know |
| 19:49.58 | xoz | jacoobie: and way overkill but if you have fast network and disk space, it's ok. |
| 19:49.59 | catsup | negge: if the ext3 filesystem is on an lvm partition, yes |
| 19:50.08 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:50.10 | catsup | it doesn't matter what filesystem you use |
| 19:50.12 | negge | catsup: which it isn't... |
| 19:50.22 | negge | surely there has to be a way |
| 19:50.24 | catsup | yeah you should always install on lvm |
| 19:50.37 | catsup | there's no way to take a snapshot in ext3/4. brtfs has it |
| 19:50.39 | negge | I'll try to remember that next time |
| 19:51.02 | negge | catsup: there's no way to take a snapshot in NTFS either but it's still possible to do a hotcopy somehow |
| 19:51.10 | catsup | you can just rsync -aP the contents of the disk twice |
| 19:51.57 | jacoobie | xoz 1Gig up and down on a GigE |
| 19:51.59 | negge | catsup: my friend says it's possible with dd |
| 19:51.59 | jacoobie | ;o) |
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| 19:52.22 | petemc | negge: shadow copy is a snapshot |
| 19:52.38 | catsup | negge: you won't get a consistent copy with dd |
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| 19:52.58 | koopsta | hi, i'm trying to determine how shutdown -h was executed on this server |
| 19:53.03 | petemc | catsup: why not? |
| 19:53.04 | negge | petemc: yeah |
| 19:53.06 | negge | catsup: okay |
| 19:53.14 | koopsta | i don't see any logins near the time it happened |
| 19:53.16 | catsup | negge: dd just copies blocks from the disk sequentially |
| 19:53.36 | negge | catsup: I know, I thought it had some option to freeze the filesystem or something |
| 19:53.45 | catsup | negge: lvm snapshots are that option |
| 19:54.46 | catsup | petemc: suppose that a file is created during a backup, in a directory at the end of the disk, but the file is stored at the beginning of the disk, whcih has already been copied into the backup. then you have a directory pointing back into the disk at the wrong thing |
| 19:55.01 | catsup | in the backup copy |
| 19:55.53 | petemc | catsup: right, i wasnt aware we were talking about mounted filesystems |
| 19:56.04 | catsup | oh =D |
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| 19:57.12 | negge | petemc: yes, I want to make a backup of my running system |
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| 20:01.15 | nick4 | I want to install Debian Squeeze (21 Sept build) without a Net connection. I want to choose a mirror right now to use it later when I will connect the machine on the Net. Setup doesn't let me do that. Any suggestions? |
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| 20:02.02 | xoz | nick4: just don't indicate you need a mirror. |
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| 20:02.23 | xoz | nick4: and edit /etc/apt/sources.list after finish installing |
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| 20:05.21 | nick4 | xoz: thank you |
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| 20:05.34 | xoz | nick4: np.... |
| 20:05.50 | xoz | wrestles the bed... |
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| 20:08.48 | lvh | hello |
| 20:08.54 | lvh | im having trouble installing debian squeeze |
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| 20:09.36 | lvh | im installing from an usb boot disk with the debian-installer squeeze nightly media |
| 20:09.36 | adb | install lenny |
| 20:09.37 | clearscreen | I think all you're gonna hear from this room is that it's supposed to give trouble :) |
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| 20:10.22 | lvh | adb: Okay. Got a link to installation media for Lenny that supports ext4? I've found some, but it's an ISO. |
| 20:10.34 | adb | !kmuto |
| 20:10.35 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 20:11.07 | lvh | Oh, those have hd-media images. Cool! I'll try that. |
| 20:11.17 | lvh | adb: Thanks! :-) |
| 20:11.19 | clearscreen | I know it's not a USB install, but you may be interested in unetbootin if the issue is burning the cd |
| 20:11.31 | lvh | clearscreen: The box does not have a CD |
| 20:11.39 | lvh | clearscreen: And I don't have an USB CD-rom device :-) |
| 20:11.50 | lvh | clearscreen: So it's either netboot or usb stick |
| 20:12.00 | clearscreen | Does it have an OS installed? You can use unetbootin if it does |
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| 20:12.19 | sphenxes | I have uninstalled several programs (apt-get purge ), then i get the message use: apt-get autoremove. which i have done. Latter I lost my Gnome desktop. That happened 2 times. I have searched and read that i should type: aptitude keep-all before i use apt-get autoremove. My question: i would like to clean the system but don't lose Gnome? any suggetion |
| 20:12.34 | gasg | it is not possible to install debian from USB using unebootin |
| 20:12.40 | gasg | I've tried it now |
| 20:12.44 | gasg | but without success |
| 20:13.00 | lvh | clearscreen: Yes, there's Debian on it already. |
| 20:13.12 | lvh | clearscreen: Booting itself not the problem |
| 20:13.21 | lvh | clearscreen: The crashes happen after the kernel is loaded. |
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| 20:14.18 | lvh | clearscreen: I see a gray flash, which looks like it could be the installer screen, but then it bounces back to the terminal. Screen lit, some text on it (about putting the terminal in UTF-8 mode), capslock/numlock works, but system otherwise entirely unresponsive |
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| 20:14.23 | lvh | clearscreen: (by that I mean: power button doesn't work, I need to take out the power, flip it around, and remove the battery) |
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| 20:14.59 | lvh | clearscreen: Tried expert mode, but that died at exactly the same spot without providing more error information. |
| 20:15.19 | lvh | I'm not entirely sure how to turn this into a useful bug report :-) |
| 20:15.50 | lvh | gasg: From an iso, no |
| 20:16.01 | lvh | gasg: from the distribution dropdown box for me works fine |
| 20:16.13 | gasg | lvh: yes, from an iso |
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| 20:16.21 | lvh | gasg: yeah that doesn't work for me either |
| 20:16.32 | lvh | ubuntu karmic works though |
| 20:16.33 | gasg | lvh: give me a link please? |
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| 20:16.38 | lvh | gasg: link to what |
| 20:17.04 | lvh | if all else fails i can just boot karmic and debootstrap |
| 20:17.13 | gasg | for what version you've used to get it worked with unebootin |
| 20:17.27 | gasg | I'm talking about debian |
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| 20:19.15 | lvh | gasg: dont use an ISO |
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| 20:19.44 | lvh | gasg: in unetbootin, first option (Distribution), just pick Debian, and then netinstall :-) |
| 20:19.50 | gasg | ah ok, sorry the mistake |
| 20:19.56 | gasg | :) |
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| 20:20.30 | gasg | yeah, it works under PPPoE |
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| 20:21.12 | gasg | I hope coming soon a netinstall version that works with wifi too |
| 20:22.29 | gasg | I'm trying to install lenny on my netbook |
| 20:22.35 | gasg | aa1 a110l |
| 20:23.03 | adb | installer firmware |
| 20:23.16 | gasg | UNR is very slow on that machine |
| 20:23.32 | adb | gasg, /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 20:23.43 | gasg | and desktop version too, too XFCE and KDE... |
| 20:23.52 | gasg | adb: ok thank you |
| 20:24.23 | gasg | oh! cool.... |
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| 20:25.09 | silidan | how can i directly install debian sid on my system without taking the path over lenny.... |
| 20:25.11 | silidan | ? |
| 20:25.45 | adb | debootstrap |
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| 20:26.33 | silidan | debootstrap sounds great :) |
| 20:26.44 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:27.40 | silidan | will have to read in first... need to know what to consider, i have lenny and xp on this maschine installed... and i have 5 free 20gig partitions 4 of which are already ext3... |
| 20:27.57 | silidan | a good tutorial on it somewhere? |
| 20:28.34 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.42 | silidan | o never mind this page is short :P |
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| 20:30.30 | gasg | just a newbie and stupid question: it is possible to get from some repos the non-free 8unrestricted codes) codes to watch DviX and listen MP3 on debian? |
| 20:31.01 | nick4 | gasg: install mplayer, has everything you need built in |
| 20:31.02 | AimHere | You can listen to mp3 on Debian from the main repository |
| 20:31.06 | nick4 | or VLC, same thing |
| 20:31.16 | nick4 | also smplayer is a GUI for mplayer |
| 20:31.21 | gasg | ok |
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| 20:31.46 | adb | gasg, and lame is on dmm .. |
| 20:32.04 | gasg | good |
| 20:32.09 | AimHere | There is a repository for some of the nonfree stuff, like css libraries for dvd and mp3 writing |
| 20:32.25 | AimHere | *dvd watching and mp3 writing that is |
| 20:32.52 | gasg | starting the installation |
| 20:32.59 | d_b | vlc does it all |
| 20:33.39 | AimHere | Even watch dvds on Debian? I thought libdvdcss was taken out |
| 20:33.42 | adb | d_b, except .flv here |
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| 20:33.54 | adb | !dvd |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 20:34.01 | gasg | please, what type of installation you suggest me? |
| 20:34.16 | gasg | Automated, Graphical expert, Graphical automated... |
| 20:34.38 | gasg | is a linux newbie |
| 20:34.43 | ElDiabolo | gasg: Add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" to your sources.list |
| 20:35.35 | stew | AimHere: you need software that is not distributed by debian in order to play css encrypted dvds or encode mp3 or watch divx, yes |
| 20:35.35 | d_b | gasg "aptitude install vlc" or just open synaptic if you prefer GUI |
| 20:35.35 | silidan | does linux still have difficulties with proprjetary encrypted dvds? |
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| 20:35.35 | d_b | AimHere: never had any problems. |
| 20:35.35 | gasg | logging all infos :) |
| 20:35.35 | d_b | adb: I have flv files from youtube and vlc plays them just fine. |
| 20:35.35 | AimHere | there's no problem with it silidan, just that for certain parts of the free world, the software might be illegal |
| 20:35.35 | silidan | i only tryed to play them a Loong time ago... |
| 20:35.46 | silidan | AimHere: yea thats what i meant with problem |
| 20:35.47 | AimHere | So debian, and other distros might not stock the relevant libraries |
| 20:35.53 | clarjon1 | isn't libdvdcss now known as libdvdread3, unless i'm mistaken? |
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| 20:35.57 | ElDiabolo | gasg: You need an additional key for debian-multimedia to be secure. |
| 20:35.58 | clarjon1 | *libdvdcss2 |
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| 20:36.10 | hanshenrik | when you just do apt-get install apache2, where is the folder u put the index.html? |
| 20:36.15 | silidan | so basically what we should do, buy only unencrypted dvds... |
| 20:36.20 | gasg | ElDiabolo: yes |
| 20:36.26 | AimHere | clarjon1, not in Debian. It might be part of the one bundled with vlc |
| 20:36.44 | AimHere | "libdvdread currently uses libdl to dynamically probe for libdvdcss at runtime. If found, libdvdcss will be used to decrypt sections of the DVD as necessary." |
| 20:36.55 | mhymn | hanshenrik: /var/www |
| 20:36.55 | d_b | really, why does the guy need to add a repository? all he wants is to watch some divx and listen to mp3s. there's no reason to tell a newbie to do it the hard way. installing vlc is the best solution here. |
| 20:37.18 | hanshenrik | mhymn: thanks! |
| 20:37.18 | gasg | is good one to choice "Graphical automated install" for the system? I'm now begin |
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| 20:37.25 | d_b | who said anything about buying dvds? ;) |
| 20:37.50 | AimHere | d_b, well it might be handy to give him a solution to the related problems he might come up against in the near future. |
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| 20:38.36 | d_b | AimHere: so the answer would be "install vlc, also there's the possibility to add repositories like debian-multimedia, but that's probably overkill in this case" |
| 20:38.37 | ElDiabolo | gasg: The http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ should explain somewhere how to install the key. |
| 20:39.28 | gasg | ElDiabolo: ok, but please can somebody tell me how I choice installation easy for debian linux system :) |
| 20:39.30 | AimHere | d_b, agreed, and that was roughly what I did say at the start. |
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| 20:39.47 | stew | i didn't know divx codec was available in debian |
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| 20:40.24 | int203 | does anybody know which packages are needed to support NFS4 acls? is it necessary to compile a patched kernel? |
| 20:40.37 | AimHere | Isn't there two divx codecs, one of which is quite free, and one which is egregiously unfree, and they differ in the name capitalisation? |
| 20:40.40 | gasg | starts with Graphical exper install |
| 20:41.27 | AimHere | Or am I thinking of xvid |
| 20:41.36 | gasg | thank you everybody, I have appreciated all helps and suggestion |
| 20:41.46 | gasg | chatch you later :) |
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| 20:41.58 | d_b | gasg: good luck! |
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| 20:42.14 | gasg | away: installing debian and divx, mp3 codecs...hehe |
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| 20:42.16 | gasg | thanks :) |
| 20:42.23 | ElDiabolo | gasg: Sorry, I actually can't. I am running linux for 13 years, no idea what others may consider easy :) |
| 20:42.38 | gasg | hell! :) |
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| 20:43.35 | ElDiabolo | gasg: But even running tasksel and selecting desktop may help a lot (if you did not yet) |
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| 20:45.17 | autojack | if I unplug a SATA drive and replace it with a new one, on a controller/backplane that supports hotplug, do I need to do anything to get Debian to notice that there is a new drive and give it a /dev/sdX ID? |
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| 20:49.14 | clarjon1 | ooohs at debian-multimedia |
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| 20:49.51 | jelly-home | autojack: assuming you've told the kernel to delete the old device beforehand, you might still need to tell the controller to rescan the bus after a new device is hotplugged |
| 20:50.17 | autojack | jelly-home: HAH! two years ago you were the person who answered my questions about hotplug SATA :) |
| 20:50.17 | clarjon1 | applauds |
| 20:50.30 | jelly-home | autojack: the former is done with echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete (now ;-) |
| 20:50.32 | autojack | jelly-home: I have notes from my conversation with you :) |
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| 20:50.45 | jelly-home | it was someone else! |
| 20:50.49 | autojack | yeah so last time I did this I ended up having to reboot. |
| 20:51.34 | autojack | jelly-home: I think I did not tell the kernel to delete the old device. so when I plugged in the new one, the system wouldn't recognize it or give it a drive letter. dmesg saw it, but that was as far as I got. |
| 20:51.40 | jelly-home | the latter with, I think, echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan |
| 20:51.46 | autojack | now I have another drive failing and I'd like it to go more smoothly this time :) |
| 20:52.22 | hark | /msg dpkg rescan scsi |
| 20:52.40 | jelly-home | sata isn't scsi but looks like it |
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| 20:52.56 | autojack | yeah I tried to use rescan-scsi-bus.sh last time and it didn't work. |
| 20:53.11 | autojack | but I did not tell it to delete the old device before I pulled it. |
| 20:53.11 | jelly-home | there's scsiadd |
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| 20:54.21 | jelly-home | I have a pair of esata disks. they get shut down with "/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid stop" and a couple of echos to their respective /sys/block/sd?/device/delete |
| 20:54.54 | autojack | jelly-home: OK so these are my steps for replacing a drive: http://paste.linuxassist.net/215045 |
| 20:54.58 | jelly-home | however, when switching them back on, they get recognized automatically... that's how proper hotplug sata is supposed to work |
| 20:55.08 | autojack | where do I want to add the delete command? |
| 20:55.38 | jelly-home | autojack: the pastebin asks for authentication |
| 20:55.50 | clarjon1 | jelly-home: read the auth message closely... |
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| 20:55.58 | jelly-home | clarjon1: meh! read! |
| 20:56.38 | clarjon1 | jelly-home: A username and password are being requested by http://paste.linuxassist.net. The site says: "USER:linux, PW:linux - no spam-bots allowed" |
| 20:56.40 | jelly-home | autojack: after removing the device from md, preferably before unplugging |
| 20:56.45 | jelly-home | clarjon1: yes yes |
| 20:56.55 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 20:56.55 | clarjon1 | hehe |
| 20:56.56 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 20:57.01 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 20:57.24 | clarjon1 | does his best not to laugh as hard as he wants to... seeing as he's at work still... |
| 20:57.43 | reber | hi all. Anyone here using jffs ? |
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| 20:58.37 | autojack | jelly-home: OK. |
| 20:59.00 | autojack | jelly-home: someone told me I needed to do echo 'scsi remove-single-device X Y Z L' > /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 20:59.16 | autojack | perhaps that is SCSI-specific. |
| 20:59.26 | autojack | though my SATA devices do show up in /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 21:00.33 | autojack | brb meeting |
| 21:00.36 | jelly-home | autojack: /proc/scsi is deprecated, newer Debian kernels don't have it any more |
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| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | he6uwa6h: you look like a password |
| 21:02.16 | inckie | bang me dead |
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| 21:04.04 | silidan | debian doesnt let me mount my other partitions trough the filemanager.... where do i have to set what to allow me to mount from within the filemanager (debian lenny) |
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| 21:04.20 | bendis_vis | hi all |
| 21:04.24 | astralvoute | Hi all |
| 21:04.51 | bendis_vis | Does anybody know a good and compete documentation on how to make .deb ? |
| 21:05.21 | astralvoute | I'm using a new debian installation (at server4you) and while trying a "file_put_contents" in PHP on a folder where i did set the chmod to 755, i still get "permission denied"... can someone help me make it possible to write new files in that folder? |
| 21:05.31 | mhymn | bendis_vis: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 21:06.32 | abrotman | astralvoute: probably more suited for ##php .. but who owns the directory ? |
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| 21:06.48 | mhymn | astralvoute: no idea but 755 still means no write perm for group and others |
| 21:06.57 | bendis_vis | thx mhymn |
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| 21:08.01 | astralvoute | abrotman: thanks... however i can't get in the #php channel, need to "register" and i dont understand that process... i tried registering, were unable to do it :( |
| 21:08.12 | abrotman | it's ##php .. and /msg nickserv help |
| 21:08.28 | astralvoute | mhymn: i tried 775 too btw... |
| 21:08.36 | astralvoute | oh... ##php... i'll try that |
| 21:08.52 | abrotman | astralvoute: probably more suited for ##php .. but who owns the directory ? |
| 21:09.37 | astralvoute | abrotman: i'm unsure who owns the directory, I'm kinda still an amateur linux (sorry about that) but I login as root in FTP, does that mean I own it? |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | astralvoute: ls -l |
| 21:09.49 | astralvoute | i tried doing it both using filezilla and by SSH using putty |
| 21:10.04 | astralvoute | brb |
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| 21:10.57 | astralvoute | here's what i get: drwxr-xr-x 2 myvhost psacln 159744 2009-09-29 20:34 images |
| 21:11.03 | astralvoute | images is the folder... |
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| 21:12.59 | astralvoute | abrotman: which brings me to wonder if i'm pursuing the right goal - i'm under the impression that if i can grant permissions for the images folder, I'll be able to create new files in it but is this really how it works? |
| 21:13.12 | abrotman | as opposed to magic ? |
| 21:13.46 | astralvoute | abrotman: yep, I considered magic too, but I am not gifted |
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| 21:15.45 | astralvoute | abrotman: how do i read that line i got from doing ls -l? does that tell me if the folder is or not granted write rights? |
| 21:16.06 | abrotman | it means that the user 'myvhost' owns that directory and is the only one with write access |
| 21:16.51 | astralvoute | abrotman: and if my php script runs under that vhost, then it has write access, doesn't it? or does it need i need to log out SSH as root, relogin as myvhost and then change permissions? |
| 21:16.59 | abrotman | not quite |
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| 21:22.15 | pickcoder | if I dd /dev/zero to a drive and I get no errors, does that verify the drive is fully functional? |
| 21:22.28 | chellomere | no |
| 21:22.38 | pickcoder | hm.. why? |
| 21:23.17 | pickcoder | dd is performing block-level writes to each block, right? |
| 21:23.35 | chellomere | still, you're just testing writing. |
| 21:23.50 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 21:24.09 | pickcoder | so bad sectors would only show up via reads |
| 21:24.10 | chellomere | but yes, it would likely be a decent test |
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| 21:24.39 | pickcoder | I just sold a drive after zeroing it and it didn't pass a vendor drive "test" |
| 21:24.43 | blendmaster1024 | hey all |
| 21:24.51 | blendmaster1024 | oops, wrong channel, sorry |
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| 21:25.27 | pickcoder | oddly enough it booted Windows before I wiped it, but I did not perform a read/write test on it |
| 21:25.50 | mhymn | blendmaster1024: no one will blame you for greetings, anywhere! |
| 21:26.06 | blendmaster1024 | abrotman will |
| 21:26.20 | mhymn | heh, yeah, take care then |
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| 21:31.27 | autojack | jelly-home: ok, back. my kernel is 2.6.18, and it does have /proc/scsi/scsi but it also has /sys/block/sda/device/delete so will either one work? |
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| 21:33.42 | autojack | (I do intend to upgrade my kernel at some point before or after I do the disk switch) |
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| 21:39.26 | Flaim | looks for an ssh-knowing person... |
| 21:39.56 | pheaver | If I bork my installation pretty badly, and I'm missing core programs (like in /usr/bin), where can I find binary tarballs that i can extract to get those programs back? |
| 21:39.57 | catsup | !ask |
| 21:39.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:40.09 | autojack | Flaim: I kinda know ssh. |
| 21:40.19 | Flaim | two machines, w/ identical .ssh dirs.. i can ssh to one w/o entering a password, but not the other. |
| 21:40.28 | catsup | pheaver: you can extract them from debs, but you don't need to do that |
| 21:40.40 | pheaver | Flaim: identical permissions in those .ssh dirs? |
| 21:40.40 | autojack | Flaim: you need to cross-distribute your public key between the boxes. |
| 21:40.51 | pheaver | Flaim: execute ssh with verbose and see why it fails? |
| 21:40.53 | autojack | Flaim: shouldn't have the same public key in both places. |
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| 21:41.05 | catsup | pheaver: you can use e.g. apt --reinstall to reinstall packages |
| 21:41.05 | autojack | so if you mean literally bit-identical, that ain't gonna work. |
| 21:41.14 | pheaver | catsup: but i can't, cause apt-get is broken |
| 21:41.15 | rpaulson | anyone familiar with cryptsetup, luks? |
| 21:41.21 | Flaim | pheaver: yes. one sec |
| 21:41.31 | pheaver | autojack: it is totally possible to have the same keys in on two different computers |
| 21:41.42 | pheaver | whether you *should* do that or not is open to debate, but it's certainly possible |
| 21:41.56 | catsup | pheaver: did you try dpkg directly ? |
| 21:42.01 | pheaver | catsup: yeah |
| 21:42.05 | rpaulson | I need to mount my volume using a keyfile, I have added the relevant info to /etc/cryptmount/cmtab and /etc/crypttab, but cryptmount still asks me for a passphrase! |
| 21:42.12 | pheaver | the particular problem i am having is that /usr/bin/localedef is missing |
| 21:42.19 | pheaver | so i get fun failures when i run anything :) |
| 21:42.32 | catsup | why didn't it work, what did it say? [dpkg --fsys-tarball gets you the tarball btw.] |
| 21:42.45 | \amethyst | pheaver: can you reinstall libc6 or does that fail too? |
| 21:42.47 | pheaver | http://pastebin.com/m2847fd5b |
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| 21:43.00 | pheaver | i cannot run dpkg or apt-get, basically at all |
| 21:43.10 | pheaver | i think this is indeed a case where i need to extract the binaries |
| 21:43.14 | sphenxes | I would like to clone my debian system? what program can I use? (i have once found such a program and can't remmeber its name) |
| 21:43.17 | mesa_booger | pheaver: libc6-bin package |
| 21:43.18 | pheaver | although i had not realizes it was just a matter of extracting from the .deb |
| 21:43.19 | pheaver | asdf |
| 21:43.24 | pheaver | (whoops) |
| 21:43.47 | rpaulson | sphenxes: copy /etc and install all the same packages? |
| 21:43.59 | rpaulson | preferably in reverse order.. |
| 21:44.22 | pheaver | oh, but no .deb provides /usr/bin/localedef |
| 21:44.34 | sphenxes | rpaulson, thanks |
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| 21:44.58 | catsup | pheaver: the package is locales, not locale |
| 21:45.10 | pheaver | catsup: either way, it doesn't work :) |
| 21:45.21 | rpaulson | sphenxes: remember to copy etc with permissions.. |
| 21:45.25 | pheaver | i guess i need to refine my question to this: where can i download /usr/bin/localedef :) |
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| 21:45.59 | pheaver | or, more generally, any binary that's part of the core system |
| 21:46.01 | catsup | pheaver: that file might be generated by the locales package when it is installed |
| 21:46.06 | hark | pheaver: it's provided by libc-bin /msg dpkg search |
| 21:46.12 | catsup | pheaver: every binary that you can download is in a deb available through apt |
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| 21:46.22 | catsup | dpkg -S /usr/bin/localedef |
| 21:46.23 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/localedef: Status: install ok installed |
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| 21:46.23 | catsup | libc6: /usr/bin/localedef |
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| 21:46.31 | pheaver | ah right |
| 21:46.37 | pheaver | yeah and libc6 is the one that is borked :) |
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| 21:47.08 | catsup | how'd that happen anyway |
| 21:47.25 | pheaver | i was stupid? |
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| 21:54.08 | Flaim | pheaver: ok, one machine accepts the public key, one does not.. |
| 21:54.31 | pheaver | Flaim: the the permissions on the files in ~/.ssh are the same on both machiens? |
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| 21:54.44 | Flaim | lemme double check |
| 21:55.06 | pheaver | Flaim: i think if you do ssh -vvv it'll be really really verbose |
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| 21:55.46 | francesco_ | hi, i think my ati driver is broken how to solve it ? |
| 21:55.47 | Flaim | pheaver: Yep, they are. |
| 21:55.56 | Flaim | pheaver: k, i'll try that. |
| 21:55.59 | joltcan | Flaim: always use ssh-copy-id to copy the id instead of copying the file and stuff |
| 21:56.09 | Hobbes` | Flaim check the permissions of the home directory too |
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| 21:56.44 | Hobbes` | if any of the parent directories are writable by others ssh will fail |
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| 21:58.56 | Hobbes` | ssh -v is useless .. it would be poor security if ssh gives out information about the remote machine before you are authenticated |
| 21:59.37 | Flaim | Hobbes` gets a cookie. |
| 21:59.54 | Hobbes` | choco-chip ? |
| 21:59.55 | Flaim | it was 775 vs 755. |
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| 22:00.26 | hipodilski | hi guys I'm experiencing gnome-screensaver activating every time while I play movies in vlc or mplayer any idea of a work around to the issue? |
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| 22:01.11 | Flaim | thanks everyone. :) |
| 22:03.12 | Hobbes` | hipodilski mplayer has an option to disable the screensaver |
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| 22:04.57 | hipodilski | Hobbes`: this option is not working for some reason |
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| 22:10.49 | __lupo__ | hi, how can I install python2.6 ? |
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| 22:18.03 | themill | __lupo__: there are packages in experimental for this. If you couldn't find them yourself, then you probably don't want to go anywhere near them though. /msg dpkg experimental |
| 22:18.36 | __lupo__ | themill: thanks for the tip |
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| 22:31.21 | benedikt | Is it possible to have a directory with a difference umask then otehr directories (e.g. a directory where every created file would have 777) |
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| 22:35.28 | luke1704 | does anybody know if it is possible to reduce CPU frequency using Lenny (KDE 3.5)? I cannot find something using the control panel |
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| 22:37.12 | benedikt | luke1704: gnome has a nice applet for it, I bet KDE also has it. And it is possible via the ommand line, I just don't remeber how right now. |
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| 22:37.44 | stew | benedikt: that is not possible with umask. it might be possible with acls, i don't know |
| 22:37.45 | valdyn | benedikt: the sticky bit |
| 22:37.50 | luke1704 | thank! I am also sure it must be possible |
| 22:37.52 | stew | sticky bit won't do it |
| 22:38.08 | benedikt | valdyn: sticky bit? |
| 22:38.53 | benedikt | luke1704: after a little bit of googling, you migh try something kalled klaptop |
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| 22:39.30 | [1]alexander | hi guys |
| 22:39.34 | [1]alexander | i have a question |
| 22:39.53 | [1]alexander | i'm using one of those rare network adaptors for windows |
| 22:40.04 | [1]alexander | i heard that you could wrap the driver some how and use it in linux |
| 22:40.08 | d_b | I created a textfile containing the url to every comic on http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php (example: http://www.ctrlaltdelonline.com/comics/20090325.jpg ) but when I do: wget --random-wait --retry-connrefused -i ctrlaltdel.txt I get "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found Location: /error.html [following]". So I'm getting error on all of them, but the links work. Any idea how I can solve this? |
| 22:40.27 | benedikt | is there any other handy way too keep a set of permissions in a certain folder without using crontab? |
| 22:40.45 | MoralExpl | benedikt, chmod |
| 22:40.46 | luke1704 | KPowersave reduces my CPU speed from 2000 to 800 MHz if I unplug my laptop |
| 22:40.48 | valdyn | [1]alexander: for wlan you are looking for "ndiswrapper" |
| 22:40.54 | AimHere | To keep a set of permissions in a folder? YOu mean to stop them being changed? |
| 22:41.09 | stew | benedikt: have a look at using acls |
| 22:41.18 | luke1704 | Now I would like to do the same but without unplugging it |
| 22:41.24 | benedikt | MoralExpl: well.. When a new file is created, that file doesnt have the same perissions as the other will. |
| 22:41.25 | stew | he means to control the permissions of new files created in a directory |
| 22:41.28 | benedikt | stew: will do. |
| 22:41.44 | luke1704 | It getting extremely hot otherwise... |
| 22:42.01 | [1]alexander | yeah |
| 22:42.02 | benedikt | luke1704: somebody si explaining it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100423 |
| 22:42.19 | luke1704 | thanks a lot! |
| 22:42.27 | [1]alexander | i'll look into it |
| 22:42.29 | [1]alexander | thanks! |
| 22:42.34 | [1]alexander | will BRB |
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| 22:43.31 | MoralExpl | Quick question, I got an AMD64 processor but only 2gb of ram, Right now i'm runing 32bit vista, should I go for I386 or AMD64 distro |
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| 22:45.44 | valdyn | MoralExpl: are you running tight on ram on linux ever? |
| 22:46.00 | MoralExpl | Only when I'm doing some video encoding |
| 22:46.08 | MoralExpl | Usual day to day stuff no. |
| 22:46.24 | valdyn | MoralExpl: day to day stuff isnt sensitive to this |
| 22:46.34 | valdyn | MoralExpl: probably 32-bit then |
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| 22:46.42 | MoralExpl | valdyn, thanks bud. |
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| 22:47.15 | adb | -bigmem ? |
| 22:47.16 | valdyn | MoralExpl: rational is that no speed improvement can compensate for running out of ram and having to use swap |
| 22:47.25 | valdyn | adb: no? |
| 22:47.48 | adb | for 2 GB ram ? |
| 22:48.18 | valdyn | adb: debian stock kernel is fine |
| 22:48.41 | adb | till 3.4 GB .. |
| 22:48.50 | valdyn | adb: yes |
| 22:48.59 | adb | ok |
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| 22:51.20 | luke1704 | benedikt, I am a fool! Right-click on the Powersave taskbar symbol allow all configuration! Sometimes problems are to simple to solve... |
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| 22:51.36 | benedikt | im using the x86_64 version of ubuntu with 2G of ram and ive never seen in swap. |
| 22:51.45 | luke1704 | Anyways, thanks again... |
| 22:51.46 | benedikt | luke1704: nice ! :) |
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| 22:52.28 | MoralExpl | benedikt, really? im just worried for when I do some rendering i'll end up using swap and losing performance, plus i have I386 already downloaded |
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| 22:53.07 | benedikt | nah.. it really doesnt matter that much.. Even if you have a 32 bit system, a program will only reverse the usual 4 bits in memory for an int varible |
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| 22:53.28 | MoralExpl | gotcha |
| 22:54.00 | benedikt | but on the other side, I dont feel any performance increase either |
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| 23:15.58 | Jorophose | anybody know a really lightweight mp3 player that can play PLS streams? audacious seems to be killing my performance (low-power box) and mpg123 doesn't want to play nice... |
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| 23:17.35 | takahiro | is there a way to mount a network drive using scp so it seems like the remote directory is just a local one? like /home/debmaster is actually scp://user6@33.183.91.101:/archive/dir1 ? |
| 23:18.23 | themill | !sshfs |
| 23:18.24 | dpkg | A FUSE-based filesystem that uses <SSH>, packaged for Debian. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html, http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=FAQ . Remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group. Ask me about <fuse>. |
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| 23:18.41 | hexoroid | how can i list all directorys in the home dir that have write premission ? because i want to disable those directorys |
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| 23:21.22 | Tramp | hexoroid: write permission for who? - maybe you mean find /home -maxdepth 1 -type d -perm /go+w |
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| 23:21.57 | jez9999 | could anyone explain why debian has start-stop-daemon, and doesnt use chkconfig, /sbin/service, and bash? |
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| 23:23.46 | hexoroid | Tramp just in my home directory i have a forum running want to see if any directorys can be written too |
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| 23:24.31 | Tramp | hexoroid: well, then adapt the command I gave you above. man find will help you understand it |
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| 23:26.13 | themill | jez9999: start-stop-daemon and /sbin/service do rather diffrent things. The better comparison would be invoke-rc.d and /sbin/service |
| 23:26.15 | aninaki | http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200909-13.xml |
| 23:26.21 | aninaki | What's this irssi vulnerability |
| 23:26.28 | aninaki | it's unpatched? |
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| 23:28.14 | aninaki | irssi version < 0.8.13 are vulnerable to a arbitrary execution bug |
| 23:28.41 | aninaki | and debian has no updates for its .12 version |
| 23:28.46 | jez9999 | themill: and comparison with start-stop-daemon? |
| 23:28.53 | themill | judd versions irssi |
| 23:28.54 | judd | themill: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 lenny: 0.8.12-6 etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.14-1 squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
| 23:29.01 | themill | aninaki: you could try backports.org |
| 23:29.40 | aninaki | themill, why would i have to do that |
| 23:29.43 | themill | jez9999: no idea what redhat uses for that these days. |
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| 23:30.07 | jez9999 | themill: heh. something like blood, sweat, and tears i think |
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| 23:30.12 | oxi | hi |
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| 23:30.23 | jez9999 | themill: yet none of them seem to think porting it over to redhat is appropriate |
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| 23:31.04 | oxi | Where should Mercurial repositories be kept in debian? What's best practice? For a comparison: Where a Subversion repositories usually kept? |
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| 23:31.58 | dondelelcaro | oxi: nowadays, I usually shove those things into /srv |
| 23:32.07 | dondelelcaro | (usually subdirectories of /srv for a particular service) |
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| 23:32.36 | oxi | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 23:32.44 | oxi | dondelelcaro: hmm, my /srv is empty |
| 23:32.54 | jez9999 | it's really annoying, coz you're advised to use redhat-based distros for a server, and yet those guys are sooo stubborn |
| 23:33.08 | dondelelcaro | oxi: that's normal |
| 23:33.26 | themill | aninaki: note that this bug is also fixed in the package in lenny. Check the changelog entry for the package and /msg dpkg security backports |
| 23:33.38 | oxi | dondelelcaro: is that the intended purpose of that dir? ... from my understanding debian has it's "best practice" places to put files for certain things |
| 23:33.40 | catsup | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
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| 23:33.48 | themill | jez9999: you don't get advised to do that around here |
| 23:33.55 | catsup | oxi: that's for you |
| 23:34.01 | oxi | dondelelcaro: anyhow, thanks I'll look into that |
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| 23:34.21 | dondelelcaro | oxi: the idea behind /srv is that you'd shove services in there; the exact directories and such are kind of organizational dependent |
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| 23:34.26 | catsup | oxi: /var/local is a good place too |
| 23:34.29 | jez9999 | if someone asked you, why does Debian need start-stop-daemon? what would your response be? |
| 23:34.30 | oxi | dondelelcaro: are you also keeping other stuff /srv? (.. so that I can get the usage picture) |
| 23:34.40 | oxi | dondelelcaro: ah, right! |
| 23:34.53 | dondelelcaro | oxi: yes, for example, we have things like bugs.debian.org under /srv/bugs.debian.org |
| 23:35.10 | oxi | ctasup: thanks, I'll consider /srv and /var/local |
| 23:35.18 | catsup | jez9999: man start-stop-daemon |
| 23:35.25 | jez9999 | yeah, ive seen the manpage |
| 23:35.29 | jez9999 | doesnt make them see sense |
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| 23:36.06 | catsup | it makes perfect sense |
| 23:36.10 | dondelelcaro | jez9999: what about it, though? it's just a bit of code that does things to make init.d scripts easier |
| 23:36.11 | catsup | whether you can make sense of it or not :p |
| 23:36.28 | aninaki | themill, ah thanks |
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| 23:36.35 | jez9999 | dondelelcaro: 'just'? heh |
| 23:36.44 | oxi | dondelelcaro: what is your /srv/bugs.debian.org? |
| 23:36.57 | dondelelcaro | oxi: it's bugs.debian.org |
| 23:36.57 | oxi | dondelelcaro: is that a repo or a virtualhost? |
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| 23:37.02 | dondelelcaro | oxi: yes. |
| 23:37.08 | catsup | 19:32 <jez9999> it's really annoying, coz you're advised to use redhat-based distros for a server, and yet those guys are sooo stubborn |
| 23:37.10 | oxi | dondelelcaro: great |
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| 23:37.32 | catsup | jez9999: lol, what? who offered that advice |
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| 23:37.51 | oxi | dondelelcaro: so, you name everything after it's dns name in there, right? |
| 23:37.52 | jez9999 | well, it's widely used |
| 23:38.00 | zzattack | i messed up my packages quite badly but i have backups of the entire package configuration |
| 23:38.09 | zzattack | can i restore my package list to what i was yesterday wit thaht? |
| 23:38.14 | dondelelcaro | oxi: in this case, yes. but you don't have to |
| 23:38.16 | oxi | dondelelcaro: I mean you map the dns naming to the dir structure you're using |
| 23:38.39 | catsup | oxi: did you see that link i gave you? |
| 23:39.09 | oxi | catsup: nope, I don't know what happened? |
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| 23:39.22 | catsup | oxi http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
| 23:39.32 | oxi | catsup: ah,... I missed that one, now I found it, thanks! |
| 23:39.32 | themill | catsup: FHS is pretty useless when it comes to /srv though. Seeing other people's examples is much more useful |
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| 23:39.54 | catsup | well FHS specifies that srv usage is defined by the administrator |
| 23:39.58 | dondelelcaro | oxi: oh, you mean is it something that's automatically served by apache? No. |
| 23:40.26 | dondelelcaro | oxi: but you could certainly do that; I'd suggest something like /srv/apache/foo.bar.com or something in such a case |
| 23:40.31 | oxi | catsup: yeah, I remeber visiting that before .... it's amazing that you can write a whole book about the debian path structure ideology :-) |
| 23:40.41 | dondelelcaro | oxi: actually, it's not just debian |
| 23:40.51 | dondelelcaro | (it's anything that is FHS or LSB compliant) |
| 23:41.02 | jez9999 | ok, anyway, onto a problem i'm having. my graphics card seems to be outputting normally to my LCD monitor via the VGA cable, but (and this is the best i can tell) it is downsampling stuff to 256 color when I use the DVI cable. any ideas why this might happen? |
| 23:41.06 | catsup | LHS is an attempt to standardize the unix hierarchy for linux |
| 23:41.21 | oxi | dondelelcaro: I think apache intends to use something like /var/www, but I'm not sure about that |
| 23:41.27 | catsup | type man hier -- that manpage goes back to the original at&t unix |
| 23:42.05 | catsup | [i mean its existence, not that particular content] |
| 23:42.14 | oxi | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks for pointing out the FHS or LSB compliance ... I assumed that was a debian special :-) |
| 23:42.26 | cheako | Hello, I have a media library 2Tb and growng. My 3rd 1T drive showed up and I'd like to pack an archive of the first and as much of the second as possible onto it. I was thinking I could use cramfs, but lol that will not work. The data s all ready mpeg/mp3 so I'm only talking about compressing the meta data...file names and ?FAT?. Well, for a ro file system I'm hopping that there is vary little file allocation data or tables. The ma |
| 23:42.26 | cheako | in goal is to have something that is mounted VS unpacked like tar or p7. Should I just put an iso inside a cloop, that would needlessly compress the data? Access on windows would also be a plus, but not if it's sacrificing other features. |
| 23:43.11 | catsup | cheako: probably you shouldn't compress the data on the fs level at all |
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| 23:43.56 | catsup | cheako: the benefits of doing so will be marginal at best, yet you will destroy performance and flexibility |
| 23:44.02 | dondelelcaro | cheako: any reason to bother with that? I'm not aware of any filesystem that is widely tested and actually does that |
| 23:44.08 | zzattack | can i restore my package list to what i was yesterday? |
| 23:44.27 | catsup | zzattack: yeah look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:45.05 | catsup | if i catch your meaning of 'package list' |
| 23:45.09 | zzattack | yeah |
| 23:45.15 | zzattack | it sort of lists what i messed up today |
| 23:45.27 | zzattack | but i dont see how i can use it to restore everything.. there's hundreds of lines there |
| 23:45.29 | cheako | dondelelcaro, catsup: bother with what? iso s widely used to archive read-only data and has built in compression. |
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| 23:45.40 | catsup | zzattack: so parse them with a shell script |
| 23:46.06 | catsup | cheako: iso makes sense for read-only media... |
| 23:46.24 | cheako | The only downfall of iso is that only the data is compressed, not the file names... and there should be enuff data there to make compression effective. |
| 23:46.53 | catsup | compressing already compressed data is not likely to provide much reward, but it will decreaes performance quite a bit |
| 23:46.58 | oxi | why does apache default to /var/www and not /srv/www? |
| 23:47.05 | zzattack | catsup there must be a better way |
| 23:47.07 | dondelelcaro | cheako: uh... iso9660 doesn't compress data |
| 23:47.13 | g00se | cheako: There's little point in compression. If there were, you'd have bad binary formats on your hands |
| 23:47.18 | catsup | oxi: the choice predates usage of /srv |
| 23:47.33 | cheako | catsup: Read only media has been replaced with external hard drives, it's only natural that some one would want to tar data up onto one. |
| 23:47.35 | catsup | zzattack: lol that's a great way |
| 23:47.57 | catsup | zzattack: what other way would there be anyway? any other way, would be for someone else to do the same thing for you [i.e., the same way] |
| 23:48.09 | oxi | catsup: /var/local doesn't seem to be mentioned in the fhs link you posted... |
| 23:48.32 | zzattack | catsup: are there no tools i could use for this. it doesnt really seem like an uncommon thing |
| 23:48.49 | zzattack | catsup: also i have lots of dpkg.status backups and aptitude.pkgstatus |
| 23:48.50 | catsup | zzattack: who knows, there might be |
| 23:49.14 | cheako | g00se: So I should just delete gz and bzip from all my computers? |
| 23:49.37 | oxi | catsup: if /srv is recommended, why does apache default to /var and tomcat default to /var/lib/tomcat6/webapps? |
| 23:49.48 | cheako | g00se: The area where |
| 23:49.56 | dondelelcaro | oxi: primarily because Debian can't distribute anything in /srv |
| 23:49.59 | g00se | cheako: Those tools are used where compression and archiving can be effective |
| 23:50.01 | catsup | oxi: i just said -- debian's apache has been using /var since before /srv came into use |
| 23:50.02 | oxi | I mean the package maintainers seem to prefer /var over /srv |
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| 23:50.26 | cheako | g00se: The area where I can save space is with the file system metadata... the filenames that are all ascii. |
| 23:50.31 | catsup | well data that is managed by the system rather than by the admin should be in /var |
| 23:50.58 | oxi | catsup: ok, great, thanks a lot for explaning this |
| 23:51.15 | g00se | cheako: What's the origin fs? |
| 23:51.34 | oxi | dondelelcaro: debian packages are not allowed to touch /srv? |
| 23:51.55 | oxi | dondelelcaro: is that some kind of debian security guideline? |
| 23:51.59 | cheako | g00se: any. |
| 23:52.00 | dondelelcaro | oxi: right, we can't ship anything in it. |
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| 23:52.06 | catsup | cheako: there is not much space to save like that, seriously, how much do you expect to gain? you will be lucky to get 5% |
| 23:52.08 | oxi | good |
| 23:52.13 | dondelelcaro | oxi: no, it's because /srv is reserved for the admin |
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| 23:52.22 | oxi | I see |
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| 23:52.55 | catsup | as are /usr/local and /var/local |
| 23:52.59 | cheako | catsup: 5% of 5T or 10T is considerable. |
| 23:53.24 | g00se | cheako: Just do some experiments. I'd be surprised if you didn't abandon the idea as a result |
| 23:53.25 | dondelelcaro | oxi: you can see some of what's going on in a recent thread on debian-devel, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/09/msg01059.html |
| 23:53.29 | catsup | cheako: not really |
| 23:53.45 | catsup | 5% compression implies not worth compressing |
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| 23:54.24 | dondelelcaro | cheako: in any event, AFAIK such a filesystem doesn't exist. Feel free to write one and prove us wrong if you're unable to agree with what we've said. |
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| 23:54.43 | catsup | cheako: you're talking about plausibly a 50% reduction in throughput, that is also considerable for 10T. think about your restore time. |
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| 23:55.05 | g00se | has always found websites being under /var odd - they must be some of the least varying things around |
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| 23:55.26 | oxi | I'm tending towards using /srv for repositories and for virtualhosts .... something like /srv/http/com.example.my /srv/http/org.foobar /srv/svn/org.foobar.repos/myproject /srv/hg/org.foobar.repos/myproject2 /srv/ftp/.... |
| 23:55.27 | dondelelcaro | g00se: it's really because they're per-host data |
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| 23:55.33 | tpocra | I really want 2.6.31 amd64 on sid |
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| 23:55.40 | tpocra | are there any unofficial repositories? |
| 23:55.50 | cheako | catsup: At 5% I'd save one drive after 20? That's a 5% discount, any way you put it. |
| 23:55.53 | fchurca | \who |
| 23:55.55 | almaz | Whether in Debian is Gnome or KDE? And whether will approach Debian under server ON? |
| 23:55.58 | dondelelcaro | tpocra: you can rather trivially build it yourself if you want |
| 23:56.24 | oxi | dondelelcaro: perfectamento! thanks for the link, ... I'll look into those talks |
| 23:56.25 | jez9999 | Hi, people. Mmy graphics card seems to be outputting normally to my LCD monitor via the VGA cable, but (and this is the best i can tell) it is downsampling stuff to 256 color when I use the DVI cable. any ideas why this might happen? |
| 23:56.25 | catsup | cheako: no it isn't, because it's not free, and i said you'd be lucky to get 5% |
| 23:56.25 | dondelelcaro | almaz: you can get whichever you want, and normally you don't have a DE on a server. |
| 23:56.29 | g00se | dondelelcaro: What - you mean because there could be many virtual hosts under www? |
| 23:56.30 | catsup | cheako: why don't you take into account the increased use of electricity and cpu |
| 23:56.49 | cheako | What I'm hearing is, we can't do it so you should not try. |
| 23:56.53 | catsup | no |
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| 23:57.12 | catsup | you can use a filesystem with transparent comperssion if you want |
| 23:57.14 | catsup | it's just a bad idea |
| 23:57.15 | g00se | cheako: I've just said the reverse actually |
| 23:57.17 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 23:57.18 | judd | stew: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-6); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-6~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 23:57.23 | catsup | for the purpose you're describing |
| 23:57.24 | stew | tpocra: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
| 23:57.35 | cheako | Once again, if using bz2 on gz on text was bad... |
| 23:57.38 | almaz | Whether will approach debian for server delivery on *nix? |
| 23:57.42 | catsup | you'll lose the ability to incrementally add files to your backup |
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| 23:58.21 | cheako | Face it any way you right,compressing text is a good thing and saves space assuming the text is static. |
| 23:58.34 | g00se | cheako: We didn't say TEXT! A miniscule filename entry in an ocean of binary data doesn't count |
| 23:58.35 | almaz | Excuse, I sit through the translator, itself I do not understand on english |
| 23:59.10 | tpocra | stew: I don't understand, I don't see 2.6.31-rc6 in experimental |
| 23:59.31 | catsup | cheako: why don't you just use tar + lzma? |
| 23:59.47 | cheako | catsup: Can't mount it. |
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| 23:59.59 | catsup | so what? |
