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| 00:00.13 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 00:00.13 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:00.13 | catsup | anyway do you know about squashfs? |
| 00:00.33 | cheako | catsup: Yes, size limitations. |
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| 00:00.58 | catsup | so use more than one |
| 00:01.08 | fchurca | Hi everyone! I can access my server (http, ssh) through domain and external ip through proxy and from outside, and through internal ip from inside the lan, but i can't access it through external ip nor domain name from local lan |
| 00:01.11 | cheako | That's the point here, compression only get's better as you grow. Squash or cram would be great. |
| 00:01.14 | catsup | it wouldn't make much sense to make just one giant fs anyway |
| 00:01.19 | catsup | because you lose all flexibility |
| 00:01.28 | fchurca | nor through no-ip.org |
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| 00:01.40 | daemon | how do I quickly drop one ip to my server via iptables |
| 00:01.42 | daemon | then remove it |
| 00:01.45 | cheako | That's a good idea, but then have files spanning file systems. |
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| 00:01.50 | fchurca | i use zoneedit pointed through no-ip |
| 00:02.02 | stew | daemon: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP |
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| 00:02.20 | daemon | stew, will it affect existing connections |
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| 00:02.25 | cheako | Blu-Ray is 50GB, I could live with 200 file systems on a 1Tb. |
| 00:02.40 | catsup | fchurca: your routing on your local network is broken, probably |
| 00:03.04 | jelly-home | cheako: what does your data look like? Is this the only (main) backup? |
| 00:03.18 | catsup | cheako: you can union mount [incidentally you can probably mount tars with a fuse fs too] |
| 00:03.21 | daemon | stew, basically I want to drop 74.130.24.3 (any current conections) |
| 00:03.28 | jelly-home | cheako: what's the restore window? |
| 00:03.29 | daemon | and let it back in immediatly after I dropped it |
| 00:03.31 | fchurca | catsup: my router doesn't have any aditional routes. could it be something in the server? |
| 00:03.32 | cheako | It would take a lo of planning to make every thing fit, so why not just use a 1TB file system instead of many smaller ones that sym-link to each other. |
| 00:03.39 | g00se | fchurca: What happens - do you get your router instead (on http)? |
| 00:03.50 | fchurca | no, i get a timeout |
| 00:04.25 | cheako | jelly-home: Perm. archiving on media data. |
| 00:04.25 | dondelelcaro | cheako: compression trades time for space; in many cases it's not worth the tradeoff. |
| 00:04.25 | jelly-home | cheako: and probably the most important, do you know whom to call when it all breaks? |
| 00:04.45 | fchurca | g00se: no, i get a timeout |
| 00:04.50 | catsup | fchurca: many things could cause that problem |
| 00:04.52 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: but cpu time, not necessarily wall time |
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| 00:04.53 | g00se | fchurca: I take it you have NAT configured? |
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| 00:05.40 | dondelelcaro | cheako: but again, feel free to prove us wrong; all of the filesystems that I'm aware of that do do compression are generally for storing surprisingly small amounts of stuff, and then shoving it into ram so it can actually be used (or at least large portions of it into ram) |
| 00:06.02 | fchurca | g00se: i'm very new to this; i don't remember having configured NAT. But a similar setup using lighttpd instead of apache2 used to work |
| 00:06.23 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: they're kind of correlated... |
| 00:06.27 | cheako | So what's the best file system for my needs? |
| 00:06.34 | fchurca | g00se: and apache2 too until a certain point which i frankly don't remember |
| 00:06.40 | jelly-home | ie client -> lzop -> network -> backup server (unlzop?) might be faster than not compressing, depends on the actual bottleneck |
| 00:06.48 | daemon | stew, thank you that worked, how do I remove it :) |
| 00:07.04 | oxi | dondelelcaro: Those discussions you pointed me to are very helpful. They debate the use /srv quite well and I can make myself my own picture. :-) |
| 00:07.06 | stew | daemon: replace -A with -D |
| 00:07.15 | Tramp | (z)grepping compressed large logfiles can be considerably faster (due to I/O being dominant when grepping them uncompressed) |
| 00:07.24 | daemon | thank you stew |
| 00:07.51 | Tramp | (and thanks to the fact, that logs easily compress 1:10) |
| 00:08.01 | jelly-home | Tramp: and if you have 8 cores or more, pbzip2 is as fast as gzip :-) |
| 00:08.07 | g00se | fchurca: I can only advise you to study your router manual carefully |
| 00:08.37 | Tramp | jelly-home: yeah, I can imagine that |
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| 00:09.09 | jelly-home | -rw-r----- 1 jelly jelly 2221737257 Aug 2 04:23 maillog.2009-08-02 |
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| 00:09.11 | dondelelcaro | it's rare that I'm looking at a machine where the logs matter which doesn't have its cpu and io relatively pegged |
| 00:09.11 | fchurca | g00se: i forwarded the relevant ports to the server, and can access it through a proxy and from outside. could it be something in the networking configuration in the server? |
| 00:10.00 | stew | and if you have an application that pegs a machine, can you really not afford more disk for it? |
| 00:10.12 | jelly-home | Tramp: have to nag mgt for another cpu, 4 cores are not enough |
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| 00:11.04 | g00se | fchurca: There's not much point in us guessing |
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| 00:11.29 | Tramp | mgt usually likes substituting [put anything here, like "proper coding"] with hardware |
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| 00:12.19 | jelly-home | can live with that |
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| 00:12.27 | fchurca | g00se: ok thx anyway, i'm coming back when i gather some info on what i broke |
| 00:13.05 | Tramp | "why should we optimize the queries - can't we just put another server in the back" |
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| 00:13.16 | cheako | I hate always doing what ever I thought I would be doing as if there was nothing better out there. |
| 00:13.39 | jelly-home | "sure you can but you have to give Oracle another $xx,xxx" |
| 00:14.13 | Tramp | oh, if you license by CPU you have a lose-lose situation |
| 00:15.35 | zzattack | can i restore my configuration of installed packages to what i was yesterday easily? |
| 00:15.48 | zzattack | i have daily backups of /etc/ |
| 00:15.59 | oxi | dondelelcaro: why don't you also structure by protocol? |
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| 00:16.28 | jelly-home | zzattack: /var/log/apt* /var/log/dpkg.log will show the changes applied |
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| 00:16.47 | oxi | dondelelcaro: ... in /srv , like /srv/http/bugs.debian.org for example? |
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| 00:18.31 | dondelelcaro | oxi: because we structure inversely; bugs.debian.org has a lot more things than just the website |
| 00:18.42 | jayeola | flash crash:- iceweasel and flash:- cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ __or__ cp libflashplayer ~/.mozilla/plugins/ crashes when plays a vid |
| 00:18.59 | dondelelcaro | oxi: and it means that I can migrate it by just moving that directory, making a few symlinks, and blamo. |
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| 00:20.08 | oxi | dondelelcaro: I see ... I like that approach to structure by topic (dns) and not by technology (protocol) |
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| 00:21.03 | oxi | dondelelcaro: I'm curious, how do your subdirectories look like in /srv/bugs.debian.org for example? |
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| 00:38.54 | brett2k9 | how's it going #debian i got a probably pretty easy q for you |
| 00:39.23 | swellie | okay, then just ask it, don't ask if you can ask a question |
| 00:41.39 | brett2k9 | i have a fresh install of debian and i have john installed and it can only be run as root. none of the users can run it they get a 'command not found' error. what do i need to do to fix this? |
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| 00:42.48 | catsup | brett2k9: it's not broken |
| 00:42.58 | brett2k9 | awesome |
| 00:43.13 | brett2k9 | so what do i do to rectify this |
| 00:43.19 | catsup | um |
| 00:43.28 | catsup | it can only be run as root |
| 00:43.32 | catsup | therefore, users cannot run it |
| 00:43.34 | swellie | facepalms.... this is the last time I let my windows-using finance co |
| 00:43.44 | swellie | *come into the debian channel |
| 00:44.09 | g00se | brett2k9: sudo |
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| 00:44.44 | catsup | g00se: make sure you explain to brett2k9 the implications of granting sudo access |
| 00:44.50 | brett2k9 | mmm is that the only way around it? i know in centos you can run it as a user. i guess debian handles that differently |
| 00:44.55 | swellie | g00se, he's tried sudo |
| 00:45.12 | catsup | brett2k9: um, well you can just run it, like /usr/sbin/john |
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| 00:45.24 | catsup | brett2k9: or PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin |
| 00:45.40 | catsup | but presumably it won't work |
| 00:45.45 | catsup | or else it wouldn't be in sbin anyway |
| 00:46.12 | brett2k9 | /usr/sbin/john works |
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| 00:46.34 | abrotman | brett2k9: type the full path ? |
| 00:46.39 | g00se | brett2k9: sbin is not in a normal user's path |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | brett2k9: you could alter the $PATH or just tell them to use the full path |
| 00:46.59 | catsup | looks at abrotman |
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| 00:47.07 | abrotman | puts mustard on catsup |
| 00:47.20 | catsup | puts mayonaise on abrotman |
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| 00:47.59 | catsup | now we just need a hamburger |
| 00:48.07 | brett2k9 | cp /usr/sbin/john /bin |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | bad idea |
| 00:48.17 | brett2k9 | why is that |
| 00:48.33 | catsup | lol |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | because if there is a security issue with /usr/sbin/john, your old one will still be broken |
| 00:48.42 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.57 | g00se | oops /usr/sbin/john |
| 00:48.58 | catsup | yes the symlink in /usr/local/bin is the right approach |
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| 00:49.21 | catsup | fnordperfect: best nick ever |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | unless you're going to want to try to run all the stuff in sbin .. then you might as well add it to your path |
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| 00:50.40 | g00se | wonders why everyone should be messing around with john .. |
| 00:50.41 | brett2k9 | symlink is just like making it redirect to /usr/sbin/ but if there is an update it runs the correct version rather than just copying the complete cmd |
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| 00:51.26 | abrotman | g00se: you know ..because the normal user can read the shadow ... WAIT .. you tricked me! |
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| 00:52.57 | catsup | brett2k9: you can actually set up pam not to let users choose weak passwords |
| 00:53.47 | brett2k9 | not interested in my passwords but thanks anyways |
| 00:53.51 | brett2k9 | appreciate the help take care! |
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| 01:00.50 | daemon | stew, Worked a treat thank you very much for the help |
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| 01:12.48 | feld | does anyone know of a debian sid irc channel? |
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| 01:13.51 | abrotman | feld: this is as close as you'll get |
| 01:14.28 | feld | abrotman: know of any weird breakage? i cant get any media player to play 90% of the video formats |
| 01:14.31 | feld | something happened |
| 01:14.40 | feld | won't play XVID, WMV7, etc etc etc |
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| 01:14.46 | feld | mplayer, xine, vlc, etc are all affected |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | feld: using which player ? |
| 01:14.56 | abrotman | did you have the w32codecs installed ? |
| 01:15.08 | feld | i'm on 64bit |
| 01:15.11 | feld | so it was w64codecs i think |
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| 01:18.16 | feld | abrotman: ok i just added the stable repository |
| 01:18.21 | feld | and forced the install of vlc/stable |
| 01:18.25 | feld | and vlc now works at least |
| 01:18.52 | feld | i might just remove X/gnome, downgrade the rest of the packages to stable, and put Gnome back |
| 01:20.20 | project2501a | gmarselis@cayenne:~$ sudo dpkg -i latex-xft-fonts_1.6.4-1_all.deb |
| 01:20.20 | project2501a | (Reading database ... 274095 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 01:20.20 | project2501a | Unpacking latex-xft-fonts (from latex-xft-fonts_1.6.4-1_all.deb) ... |
| 01:20.20 | project2501a | W: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/latex-xft-fonts/cmmi10.ttf: not registered. |
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| 01:20.32 | project2501a | sorry |
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| 01:21.39 | abrotman | feld: that will go poorly |
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| 01:22.13 | xeon-enouf | feld: are you talking about in iceweasel? |
| 01:22.37 | xeon-enouf | install mozplugger if so - i'm on sid, using experimental IW |
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| 01:30.10 | feld | abrotman: i've done it before just fine. other idea is since i have my /home and important files on different drives i can quickly reinstall and batch install all the packages i need after pulling a list out of dpkg |
| 01:30.14 | FluxD | Hi this is my sources.list currently http://pastebin.ca/1585263 Do I need to change all of the others to testing too ? |
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| 01:32.28 | abrotman | FluxD: you probably want to change them all to 'squeeze' not 'testing' |
| 01:32.41 | FluxD | even security and volatile? |
| 01:33.49 | adb | FluxD, needs security ? |
| 01:34.06 | FluxD | I dont know thats why I am asking :) |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | FluxD: yes, change them all |
| 01:34.32 | FluxD | they do have security and volatile repos for squeeze? |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | just try it |
| 01:35.16 | FluxD | ok |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | if it doesn't work, comment it out |
| 01:36.41 | FluxD | okay volatile failed |
| 01:36.46 | FluxD | security seems to have worked |
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| 01:38.59 | FluxD | abrotman, so should I put the volatile ones back to lenny? |
| 01:39.08 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | FluxD: no, just comment it out |
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| 01:39.25 | abrotman | adb: have you ever tried "//msg dpkg foo" ? |
| 01:39.34 | FluxD | abrotman, I dont need volatile repos? |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | no |
| 01:39.50 | adb | no |
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| 01:40.22 | FluxD | Whats volatile meant for? |
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| 01:41.05 | abrotman | !tell FluxD about volatile |
| 01:41.06 | adb | FluxD, /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 01:45.18 | oh_noes2 | is it possible to make top human readable so it displays things in MB not k |
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| 01:47.50 | simonrvn | wonders what's wrong with kB |
| 01:48.23 | adb | too old |
| 01:48.53 | simonrvn | ..too care ;) |
| 01:49.25 | FluxD | oh_noes2, I use htop so much better |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | does it show by MB ? |
| 01:49.55 | oh_noes2 | kB is fine until you start playing on server with 32GB of memory |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | the total RAM isn't the issue ? |
| 01:50.15 | oh_noes2 | Thanks!, htop is nice |
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| 01:50.54 | oh_noes2 | abrotman: it's not an 'issue' as such, but reading k through all the fields is annoying when you have soo much memory |
| 01:51.02 | simonrvn | um, and top compensates for larger processes |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | then there's also atop |
| 01:51.03 | oh_noes2 | sure when you only have 1Gb or 2Gb, it's fine to read |
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| 01:54.22 | FluxD | What makes apt say "The following packages have been kept back:" ? |
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| 01:55.02 | simonrvn | things |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | !held back |
| 01:55.59 | dpkg | kept back is, like, when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 01:56.26 | FluxD | !full-upgrade |
| 01:56.26 | dpkg | full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
| 01:58.39 | FluxD | !why not dist upgrade |
| 01:58.39 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude full-upgrade), when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. Ask me about <pinning> <hold> <unmarkauto>. |
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| 01:59.48 | lindenle1 | Do files in /etc/apt/prefences.d need to have any specific name? |
| 01:59.51 | simonrvn | !+tell FluxD -about msg the bot |
| 01:59.51 | dpkg | told FluxD about msg the bot. |
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| 02:00.19 | FluxD | ty sorry about that |
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| 02:03.23 | xeon-enouf | lindenle1: hrm, likely not - i only recall an /etc/apt/apt_preferences |
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| 02:03.54 | xeon-enouf | lindenle1: seems most newer <conf>.d/ dirs contain a leading NN+filename |
| 02:04.12 | lindenle1 | xeon-enouf: I just used preferences and it is behaving nicely |
| 02:04.21 | xeon-enouf | modprobe.d/ (atleast) want's .conf tacked on though |
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| 02:04.48 | xeon-enouf | lindenle1: er, yeah - man page name :-P (apt_preferences) |
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| 02:10.11 | lindenle1 | How do i use my ipod with amarok 2.1 (2.2)? |
| 02:11.50 | markybob | lindenle, you'll probably have better kde help in #debian-kde |
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| 02:34.07 | myth | does anyone know if debian provides debian kernel sources via git? |
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| 02:35.57 | dvs | !info git |
| 02:37.42 | Tired | uuh, why would it? |
| 02:37.56 | Tired | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | he means the ones in the works i guess |
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| 02:38.23 | abrotman | the kernel-archive.buildserver.net is what he's looking for i'd guess |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | but it looks like they use svn, not git |
| 02:38.41 | Tired | and that's down since a couple of days |
| 02:38.56 | myth | yeah |
| 02:38.58 | myth | svn |
| 02:39.06 | myth | that's fine for me though, thanks guys |
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| 02:39.31 | markybob | wtf does it matter? if you're pulling from svn/git, you might as well compile your own |
| 02:39.51 | Tired | he IS compiling his own then |
| 02:40.06 | markybob | yes, that's my point. he's smoking some serious shit |
| 02:40.26 | myth | maybe I want to try to apply the vserver patch to the debian sources |
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| 02:40.38 | myth | because they are going to drop support in squeeze |
| 02:40.51 | markybob | myth, puff puff give |
| 02:41.03 | JerrySabor | im running lenny. just setup lighttpd and proftpd w/ tls. ive got a nooby question... been a while. website is hosted out of /var/www i created a user called ftpaccess. i want to be able to log into ftpaccess and see /var/www. i did a ln -s /var/www/ /home/ftpaccess but it didnt work. what am i missing |
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| 02:41.52 | Tired | !doesn't work |
| 02:41.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 02:42.12 | Tired | I wonder if that ftp doesn't run in a chroot, though |
| 02:42.41 | Tired | also, pretty often(?) ftp servers are configured to ignore softlinks |
| 02:43.00 | JerrySabor | is that the best way to get a user to access /var/www ? |
| 02:43.07 | JerrySabor | the link ? or is there a more preferred method |
| 02:43.26 | Tired | *shrug* |
| 02:43.33 | Tired | only if it works :-P |
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| 02:44.44 | Tired | it really depends on what you want |
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| 02:45.43 | JerrySabor | what i want is me and one other person to access the 1 website running out of /var/www via ftp |
| 02:45.59 | JerrySabor | i want to be able to upload files directly to that directory |
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| 02:47.12 | dvs | JerrySabor, have you added yourself to the www-data group? |
| 02:47.33 | JerrySabor | no |
| 02:48.26 | JerrySabor | just did |
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| 02:54.45 | maher | how do i tell if a file is utf8 encoded? |
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| 02:55.46 | abrotman | maher: file ? |
| 02:56.18 | maher | abrotman: ok - my real problem is that somehow ikiwiki / pandoc / apache are corrupting my umlauts |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | maher: corrupting them at which stage ? |
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| 02:57.31 | maher | abrotman: http://www.math.csi.cuny.edu/~maher/research/index.html <--- would you mind looking at the lst line with the erdos to see if you see any umlauts? |
| 02:57.42 | maher | abrotman: s/lst/last/ |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | maher: ErdĆĀĆĀ¶s |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | is what i'm seeing in epiphany |
| 02:58.30 | xeon-enouf | uff .. man that's ugly |
| 02:58.50 | maher | abrotman: compiling ö produces ĆĀ¶ in ikiwiki --pandoc |
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| 02:59.11 | maher | abrotman: i have no idea how i'm meant to get the umlauts in there |
| 02:59.30 | maher | abrotman: on the ikiwiki site it just says "we're utf8 clean" |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | maher: uh .. can't you check the repo where ikiwiki stores your data ? |
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| 03:00.09 | xeon-enouf | i see ErdĆĀ¶s. in FF/IW |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: you're also using IW3.5 |
| 03:00.45 | maher | abrotman: i'm using it as a static compiler so i'm running ikiwiki --pandoc on a bunch of markdown files |
| 03:00.53 | xeon-enouf | and ErdĆĀ¶s in links2 :-) |
| 03:00.59 | xeon-enouf | erm .. |
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| 03:01.45 | abrotman | uh .. wget & vi show it as ErdĆĀ¶s |
| 03:03.20 | Tramp | Server sends "Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" |
| 03:03.26 | Tramp | maybe that's the problem |
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| 03:03.55 | Tramp | but I really have no clue of all that encoding-stuff, to be honest. |
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| 03:05.22 | maher | Tramp: ah - when i look at it locally my browser is smart enough to realise its utf8 |
| 03:06.36 | maher | bah - the html even has a <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> in it |
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| 03:10.06 | maher | ok - i think its an apache issue on the server so i need to go bug someone else... |
| 03:10.51 | Tramp | maher: #httpd, iirc |
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| 03:13.22 | DanDare | Hello. Regarding the use of 'a2ensite' how to list current virtual servers that apache is running ? |
| 03:14.07 | DanDare | I mean a despite of the directory /apache2/sites-enabled thereĆĀ“s any switch for 'a2ensite' i can use for that, or any other command ? |
| 03:14.39 | bobloblian | I am trying to get ipt_account working, it seems xtables is the most current way to do it, but I can't seem to find any significant documentation. Can anyone point me at some? |
| 03:15.04 | Wyzard | DanDare: All "a2ensite" does is make symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ pointing to files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 03:15.13 | Wyzard | DanDare: so you can just look at what's in sites-enabled |
| 03:15.46 | DanDare | ok Wyzard, thanks |
| 03:16.16 | DanDare | The default site '000-default' can contain an virtual server itself ? |
| 03:17.11 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:17.32 | DanDare | ok thanks once more :) |
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| 03:17.57 | antgel | are the debian.pool.ntp.org servers down? |
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| 03:28.36 | Out_Cold | :/ so i just installed lenny, i am not a member of the sudoers list and i can't log in as root.. what do i do? |
| 03:29.12 | destrudo | Single user mode. |
| 03:29.23 | destrudo | sips his brandy |
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| 03:29.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Out_Cold: su root |
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| 03:30.03 | Out_Cold | ahh.. i was trying sudo -i |
| 03:30.12 | Out_Cold | and sudo su |
| 03:30.25 | Out_Cold | thanks |
| 03:30.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Out_Cold: no - just su root for now |
| 03:30.35 | jetscreamer | so what's broken in sid, or which: xorg, the ati dri crap, or what? |
| 03:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | jetscreamer: everything is broken in sid - that's what it's for ;) |
| 03:31.23 | jetscreamer | !laugh |
| 03:31.23 | dpkg | rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 03:32.39 | jpinx-eeepc | !pal jetscreamer |
| 03:32.39 | dpkg | points at jetscreamer and laughs hysterically |
| 03:32.45 | jetscreamer | how about does anybody's xorg work for them who is running sid |
| 03:33.07 | jpinx-eeepc | you don;t need xorg in sid afaik |
| 03:33.24 | jpinx-eeepc | but if you're asking uestions like this you shouldn't be running sid :p |
| 03:33.31 | jetscreamer | dude, now is not really the day for crap |
| 03:33.42 | Tired | every day is a day for crap |
| 03:34.06 | Out_Cold | linux makes me want to crap on my computer... |
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| 03:34.22 | jetscreamer | !greet TTimo |
| 03:34.22 | dpkg | Hi there, TTimo |
| 03:34.24 | TTimo | hello |
| 03:34.29 | TTimo | oh hay jetscreamer :) |
| 03:34.32 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:35.10 | jpinx-eeepc | jetscreamer: use squeeze, it seems to work ok |
| 03:35.17 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 03:35.41 | jpinx-eeepc | but why anyone would want anything more than stable and backports I have no idea |
| 03:36.18 | jetscreamer | that i find easy to believe |
| 03:36.23 | TTimo | so I installed a 5.0.3 today. I used root on lvm2, and I haven't been able to get it to boot. looks like it tried to find the lvm volumes *before* they are actually there .. I see a message about mounting root filesystem, and volume names not found .. *then* I see messages about seeing the sda / sdb drives .. eventually I just get dropped to an (initramfs) shell :-( |
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| 03:37.55 | Aalinux | mount -t ext4 -o ro /dev/sda2 /media/Fedora , Is it correct to mount fedora from debian ? kernel 2.6.31 |
| 03:38.05 | Aalinux | ext4 filesystem |
| 03:38.25 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about lvm but debian has a problem with multiple ide controllers that using UUID in fstab and menu.list fixes, and also if you have a usb stick plugged in it borks grub1 |
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| 03:39.35 | jetscreamer | the being dropped to some shell is what happens |
| 03:40.00 | jetscreamer | can't find root |
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| 03:40.46 | Aalinux | mount -t ext4 -o ro /dev/sda2 /media/Fedora , Is it correct to mount fedora(ext4) from debian ? kernel 2.6.31 |
| 03:41.28 | jetscreamer | looks good to me Aalinux , assuming you have ext4 support, and a /media/Fedora |
| 03:41.43 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
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| 03:43.07 | jetscreamer | lsmod | grep -i ext4 maybe |
| 03:43.21 | jetscreamer | assuming it's loaded |
| 03:43.24 | jetscreamer | !ext4 |
| 03:43.24 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds features such as support for volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy. http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:45.14 | jetscreamer | nobody, as usual, has an answer for my question(s)? |
| 03:46.51 | jetscreamer | not counting that very helpful person who tried so hard to assist |
| 03:47.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 03:47.21 | dpkg | sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 03:47.42 | jetscreamer | ah yes that's your nick |
| 03:47.47 | jetscreamer | i'd forgotten |
| 03:47.55 | jpinx-eeepc | you'll remember now :) |
| 03:48.37 | jetscreamer | so i take it you have no input that's actually useful to me |
| 03:49.00 | jetscreamer | !seen gravity |
| 03:49.00 | dpkg | gravity is currently on #debian-ops #debian, last said: 'If you ask that question, the answer is usually no'. |
| 03:49.09 | bobloblian | I am trying to get ipt_account working, it seems xtables is the most current way to do it, but I can't seem to find any significant documentation. Can anyone point me at some? |
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| 03:50.25 | jpinx-eeepc | jetscreamer: no - sorrry - I'm a stable user ;) |
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| 04:01.49 | TTimo | jetscreamer: yeah I checked for usb but it wasn't there |
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| 04:02.00 | shivraj | cant believe my system is running so fast with "vesa" display driver, then again its phenom iix2 3.0 ghz ... plus 1800 ddr3 cant wait to get that cheap nvidia video card |
| 04:02.02 | TTimo | I tried both grub and grub2, no difference |
| 04:02.14 | TTimo | I guess I could look into UUIDs |
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| 04:10.05 | nachos | does IPsec tunnels create a tun(x) interface? |
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| 04:13.46 | bobloblian | nachos: not really... |
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| 04:14.02 | bobloblian | if you use klips, you will get an ipsecX interface |
| 04:14.03 | nachos | it just tags packets as the come and go? |
| 04:14.13 | nachos | im gonna use isakmpd |
| 04:14.14 | bobloblian | but netfilter does the ipsec thing right in the kernel |
| 04:14.58 | bobloblian | I am familiar with openswan, but I think that is the racoon package |
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| 04:15.12 | nachos | yeah it is iirc |
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| 04:16.09 | nachos | is there a linux program that just hangs and does nothing? |
| 04:16.22 | nachos | kinda like "true" |
| 04:16.30 | nachos | but instead of returning, just hangs |
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| 04:20.49 | nachos | sleepshell is what im after |
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| 04:23.45 | gzeus | hello, anyone willing to give me a hand with pinning? |
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| 04:24.15 | gzeus | I'm in the rather unique position of trying to move from unstable to testing |
| 04:24.54 | pl4yer0ne | gzeus, back your settings up and start over |
| 04:25.00 | pl4yer0ne | will be quicker and easier |
| 04:25.11 | gzeus | are you saying reinstall? |
| 04:25.38 | pl4yer0ne | yes |
| 04:25.40 | gzeus | just clarifying |
| 04:26.09 | gzeus | there's no way to make it not update until testing gets a new version? |
| 04:26.14 | pl4yer0ne | unless you want to do a slow move to testing |
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| 04:26.25 | pl4yer0ne | yeah I was just thjinking you could do that |
| 04:26.31 | cydork | gzeus: check out /msg dpkg unstable->testing |
| 04:26.33 | gzeus | also, the weird thing is that installing still pulls from unstable |
| 04:26.49 | cydork | gzeus: but its not always possible.. |
| 04:27.12 | gzeus | that sounds painful |
| 04:27.24 | cydork | gzeus: yes.. it is :) |
| 04:27.46 | pl4yer0ne | Ah i didnt know there was an info about it. see that gzeus |
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| 04:27.58 | pl4yer0ne | pretty much exactly what i was going to say |
| 04:28.24 | gzeus | odd that as often as things like xorg-server break in unstable that the only recourse is 'ah, fuck.... You probably want to start over.' |
| 04:28.29 | gzeus | pardon my 'french' |
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| 04:28.59 | gzeus | man... |
| 04:29.03 | gzeus | that SUCKS. |
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| 04:29.26 | gzeus | took me DAYS to get that machine up and running, copy files, etc... |
| 04:29.34 | xeon-enouf | !try |
| 04:29.34 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 04:29.40 | pl4yer0ne | well you could change all your sources to be testing rather than unstable and wait. But if anything is busted then it will stay busted for a while. |
| 04:29.56 | Tramp | trying is the first step towards failure |
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| 04:30.05 | pl4yer0ne | gzeus, whats wrong anyway? |
| 04:30.22 | gzeus | well, I just don't get why it's doing what it is. I set o=Debian -10, and a=testing 900 |
| 04:30.30 | gzeus | install pulls from unstable |
| 04:30.49 | gzeus | Default-release to testing |
| 04:31.10 | pl4yer0ne | installing how? some apps have their own defaults IIRC |
| 04:31.18 | gzeus | installing how? |
| 04:31.20 | gzeus | what? |
| 04:31.23 | gzeus | apt-get install |
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| 04:31.32 | pl4yer0ne | yeah right thats what I meant |
| 04:31.41 | gzeus | apt-get -t testing install foo |
| 04:31.46 | gzeus | pulls from unstable |
| 04:31.56 | pl4yer0ne | what? ok soemthing is totally busted then |
| 04:32.08 | gzeus | yeah |
| 04:32.15 | gzeus | no idea |
| 04:32.41 | pl4yer0ne | why do you have unstable sources if you dont want to run unstable? |
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| 04:33.15 | mesa_booger | gzeus: i just reverted the xserver-xorg-core package to a previous version. not a big deal. it is called unstable ... |
| 04:33.31 | gzeus | mesa_booger: yeah |
| 04:33.34 | gzeus | I did that |
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| 04:33.48 | gzeus | then I decided I'd had enough occasional breakage |
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| 04:34.15 | mesa_booger | gzeus: apt is a bit broken too ... |
| 04:34.15 | gzeus | and wanted to move to testing |
| 04:34.20 | gzeus | FUN |
| 04:34.24 | tuv | gzeus: been in that situation a while ago. ended up writing a script to do the job! |
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| 04:34.35 | gzeus | ah, christ. |
| 04:34.47 | gzeus | this looks like 12 hours of my life gone again |
| 04:35.06 | pl4yer0ne | 12 hours? You must be doing it wrong =D |
| 04:36.13 | tuv | gzeus: take a look: http://pastebin.com/m3fd5018a |
| 04:36.13 | gzeus | netinst, packages, configure things, migrate dotfiles, copy 100gb of music, another 30 of other stuff.... |
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| 04:36.37 | gzeus | tuv: never mind. I declare defeat. and severe depression. |
| 04:36.39 | pl4yer0ne | "other stuff" its ok dude you can say "porn" |
| 04:36.50 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: that's not _all_ |
| 04:37.03 | gzeus | just... most |
| 04:37.12 | tuv | gzeus: it worked out fine for me |
| 04:37.18 | gzeus | (stuff like random youtube videos) |
| 04:37.31 | gzeus | tuv: I'm sick of hacks. Good hacks are still hacks |
| 04:37.32 | pl4yer0ne | (dude we dont care =) ) |
| 04:37.43 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: I'm just correcting |
| 04:38.06 | gzeus | in any case, that takes hours bcause it's coming across the network |
| 04:38.07 | pl4yer0ne | hacks that work and give you a good result are perfect hacks |
| 04:38.29 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: hacks don't get updated, save manually, and I'm not that good |
| 04:38.44 | pl4yer0ne | gzeus, like we said before you can do the change and wait method. |
| 04:38.51 | gzeus | 'I don't understand this script. it's not maintaining my system' thats all. |
| 04:39.14 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: change, wait, hope, pray, then eventually pin again? |
| 04:39.39 | pl4yer0ne | pin again? no change your sources to testing rather than unstable |
| 04:39.51 | gzeus | eventually |
| 04:39.53 | pl4yer0ne | BUT just re-install |
| 04:40.24 | pl4yer0ne | and learnt he lesson that is don't run unstable unless you like your shit not working sometimes |
| 04:40.24 | gzeus | I want access to unstable and experimental versions if I need them(and would be doing this sparingly) |
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| 04:41.04 | pl4yer0ne | ok so you can set the default release etc once you have testing working ok |
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| 04:41.10 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: yeah. and don't bother running unstable if you're not comfortable starting over from scratch |
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| 04:41.24 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: again, it's all borked |
| 04:41.31 | gzeus | if it's borked, it's borked |
| 04:41.57 | pl4yer0ne | yes |
| 04:42.02 | gzeus | 12 hours of file copies, pulling across the network, config etc, |
| 04:42.13 | gzeus | no fun. buh |
| 04:42.39 | pl4yer0ne | but I run testing with unstable and experimental repos, all working with one simple APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 04:42.51 | tuv | gzeus: lesson 2: keep an up-to-date backup. then it's just copying back after the new install |
| 04:43.00 | pl4yer0ne | yeah that pain dude is part of learning. |
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| 04:43.45 | gzeus | tuv: backup of what? the music is mirrored on almost every machine I have (I value that stuff) and dotfiles are virtuall identical |
| 04:44.19 | gzeus | I do find it kinda odd that there's basically no downgrade path |
| 04:44.22 | tuv | gzeus: good. then you can start your fresh install right away and worry about syncing your files later on |
| 04:44.45 | gzeus | tuv: but again, it sucks ass. |
| 04:44.48 | pl4yer0ne | RTFM gzeus, unstable clearly states that its pretty much one way |
| 04:45.09 | pl4yer0ne | and how much software lets you go backwards? Not much. |
| 04:45.11 | gzeus | pl4yer0ne: 'pretty much' was why I bothered asking |
| 04:45.23 | gzeus | thanks for the info, I'd better go before my inevitable rayge makes me kill the messenger.... |
| 04:45.30 | gzeus | sparta |
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| 04:46.53 | pl4yer0ne | how the fuck do these guys install this shit while being so stubborn and stupid? |
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| 04:55.52 | xeon-enouf | pops his win98 upgrade disk into his XP installation O_o |
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| 04:56.23 | iuri | hi there |
| 04:56.43 | xeon-enouf | aloha ;-) |
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| 04:56.56 | iuri | i am trying to run apt-get update on my /Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch and it seems debian repository is offline |
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| 04:57.24 | iuri | my sources.list is |
| 04:57.25 | iuri | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 04:57.26 | iuri | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 04:57.26 | iuri | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:57.26 | iuri | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 04:57.26 | xeon-enouf | hrm, have you done "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" yet? |
| 04:57.35 | xeon-enouf | oh well :-p |
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| 04:57.49 | liable | !topicsmite iuri |
| 04:57.49 | iuri | sorry for that |
| 04:57.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon iuri. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:57.53 | xeon-enouf | iuri: uh, don't do that |
| 04:58.00 | iuri | ooops |
| 04:58.13 | xeon-enouf | 20:58 < xeon-enouf> hrm, have you done "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" yet? |
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| 04:58.55 | iuri | xeon-enouf, me? |
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| 04:59.23 | iuri | does anyone know about debian security repos? |
| 04:59.26 | xeon-enouf | you know when you see 'main non-free contrib' in that order, the person has no idea what the sections are for |
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| 04:59.41 | xeon-enouf | yes you |
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| 05:00.19 | iuri | so, should i take them out |
| 05:00.33 | iuri | xeon-enouf, what should be a valid repo then? |
| 05:00.44 | iuri | those are the default ones |
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| 05:01.41 | xeon-enouf | i understand you want to update? but etch is now oldstable, so, not sure if you need to alter just etch to oldstable .. hrm http://security.debian.org/ works here - you need an upgrade though |
| 05:01.58 | xeon-enouf | !mirrors |
| 05:01.59 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 05:02.28 | xeon-enouf | iuri: see the list ^^^^ and next time, use a pastebin; /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 05:03.45 | CodeNinja | :( kernel line vga modes |
| 05:03.56 | xeon-enouf | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ <--exists, and works, so forget oldstable<->etch things i mentioned, (but security is a bit different somehow it seems) |
| 05:04.08 | xeon-enouf | vga=xxx |
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| 05:07.57 | CodeNinja | this happens every time... |
| 05:08.33 | xeon-enouf | couldn't happen to a better person :-P |
| 05:08.40 | CodeNinja | whats the vga kernel line number/mode for 1280x1024x24 ? I thought it was 31B, but that failed.. 503 doesn't make sense, 792 fails.. |
| 05:08.43 | psychobot | hi. i just upgraded to Lenny from Etch. Everything is fine. MUCH faster! but.. Kmix says "No mixer found". please help.. it seems to be not a common problem.. |
| 05:08.45 | CodeNinja | xeon-enouf: :P |
| 05:08.50 | CodeNinja | care to help? :) |
| 05:09.02 | liable | CodeNinja: try vga=ask |
| 05:09.06 | CodeNinja | no |
| 05:09.06 | psychobot | i mean i have no sound.. |
| 05:09.06 | CodeNinja | :( |
| 05:09.08 | CodeNinja | no ask |
| 05:09.14 | CodeNinja | ask :( |
| 05:09.27 | iuri | xeon-enouf, |
| 05:09.36 | iuri | xeon-enouf, i still have problems http://pastebin.com/m5e82cd82 |
| 05:09.48 | iuri | xeon-enouf, somehow debian mirrors dont work to me |
| 05:09.49 | CodeNinja | liable: when it comes up with the list it says x 323 1280x1024x24 but I cant figure out what number comes to 323 for that option |
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| 05:10.36 | liable | CodeNinja: google vga codelines, you should be able to find a list |
| 05:10.43 | CodeNinja | liable: I have, and none of them worked |
| 05:10.58 | CodeNinja | thats why I've been off and on 3 or 4 times in the last half hour tryin to figure it out |
| 05:11.03 | CodeNinja | before asking |
| 05:11.03 | liable | you have a debian kernel? |
| 05:11.08 | CodeNinja | .. |
| 05:11.21 | CodeNinja | what... kinda question is that.. |
| 05:11.27 | liable | framebuffer |
| 05:11.36 | CodeNinja | ? |
| 05:12.13 | psychobot | help me bring the sound back please! Kmix correct error message is "Mixer cannot be found" |
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| 05:13.02 | Tired | load the mixer kernel module for your hardware? |
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| 05:14.17 | xeon-enouf | iuri: it seems you haven't heard nor read, nor listened to a word |
| 05:14.33 | psychobot | Tired: hm how do I check that? i just upgraded from etch to lenny and its gone.. |
| 05:14.58 | xeon-enouf | iuri: and get used to also showing the exact command you ran that causes errors |
| 05:16.48 | Tired | this is only my 1st guess |
| 05:16.52 | Tired | you probably want |
| 05:16.55 | Tired | !alsa checklist |
| 05:16.55 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 05:16.58 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: see what kcontrol > sound and such can show/tell you - install whatever kde wants to make kmix found ;-) /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 05:17.14 | Tired | heh |
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| 05:18.36 | Tired | can't tell you what module without knowing what your hardware is... "lsmod |grep snd" shows you the alsa modules that are loaded |
| 05:19.08 | Tired | when you load snd-pcm-oss, you might also check if some new messages appear when you run dmesg, compared to before |
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| 05:20.04 | xeon-enouf | ls -l /dev/snd/ ; cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:20.21 | xeon-enouf | cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 05:21.07 | xeon-enouf | is udevd, hald, dbus* and DCOP all running? |
| 05:21.59 | xeon-enouf | loathes guessing at what a bloated DE is/might be doing behind the scenes |
| 05:22.01 | Tired | also ls -l /dev/mix* as it's kmix that complains |
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| 05:22.12 | Tired | laughing at us |
| 05:22.13 | Tired | what else |
| 05:22.36 | psychobot | in kcontrol there is only "Sound System" which can be configured.. it has not been enabled, but after I enabled it, it makes no effect |
| 05:23.21 | xeon-enouf | $ lshal | grep device_file | grep mixer |
| 05:23.41 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: did you restart the KDE session? |
| 05:24.13 | xeon-enouf | the "SoundServer" in kde 3.5.x is artsd |
| 05:24.17 | xeon-enouf | is that running? |
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| 05:28.05 | psychobot | here are some commands you asked me to do http://pastebin.ca/raw/1585487 |
| 05:28.20 | xeon-enouf | wow, this sucks irc'ing (when it's slow) without being drunk :-P |
| 05:29.28 | psychobot | Tired: for ls -l /dev/mix* - No such file or directory |
| 05:29.44 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: also pastebin output of "dpkg -l alsa* linux-sound-base" |
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| 05:30.07 | xeon-enouf | er --- no soundcards --- |
| 05:30.09 | xeon-enouf | hehe |
| 05:30.27 | xeon-enouf | No soundcards found...'...failed. |
| 05:30.39 | xeon-enouf | you might want to fix that prior ;-) |
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| 05:31.07 | d1b | is packages.debian.org down ? |
| 05:31.20 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: lspci | grep -iMultimedia |
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| 05:31.23 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: lspci | grep -i Multimedia |
| 05:31.26 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: should that be in xorg.conf ? but has been unchanged i believe |
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| 05:31.42 | Tired | but... snd_pcm 62660 3 snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
| 05:31.52 | xeon-enouf | xorg what? |
| 05:32.10 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: xorg.conf is for X |
| 05:32.14 | xeon-enouf | !xorg.conf |
| 05:32.15 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 05:32.51 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: user configuration file for X11.. artsd says /dev/dsp cannot be opened.. |
| 05:33.02 | Tired | also snd-mixer-oss is loaded |
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| 05:33.19 | valdyn | psychobot: why did you manually load sound modules? |
| 05:33.23 | Tired | that's weird - when snd-mixer-oss is present, there shold be some /dev/mix* |
| 05:33.27 | valdyn | psychobot: that is pointless |
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| 05:34.06 | xeon-enouf | it indeed is .. unrelated and irrelevant |
| 05:34.07 | psychobot | 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) - thats lspci |
| 05:34.37 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: lspci -nn | grep -i Multimedia (this time, note the -nn) |
| 05:35.03 | psychobot | valdyn: im just trying to get my sound back after upgrading debian from etch to lenny.. |
| 05:35.48 | psychobot | xeon-enouf:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 [125d:1988] (rev 12) |
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| 05:36.04 | xeon-enouf | judd: pciid 125d:1988 |
| 05:36.05 | judd | xeon-enouf: [125d:1988] is 'ES1988 Allegro-1' from 'ESS Technology' with kernel module 'snd-maestro3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=125d:1988 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-maestro3 |
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| 05:36.48 | xeon-enouf | well, the module is certainly loaded, heh |
| 05:38.44 | valdyn | it probably loads without firmware |
| 05:39.37 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: also pastebin output of "dpkg -l alsa* linux-sound-base" <--last chance |
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| 05:39.40 | xeon-enouf | eww |
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| 05:39.41 | xeon-enouf | firmware: ess/maestro3_assp_kernel.fw |
| 05:39.43 | xeon-enouf | firmware: ess/maestro3_assp_minisrc.fw |
| 05:39.49 | xeon-enouf | dirty little secret :-p |
| 05:41.48 | psychobot | xeon-enouf:http://pastebin.ca/raw/1585498 |
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| 05:42.56 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: apt-get install alsa alsa-oss .. then dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ... then restart KDE and come back |
| 05:44.12 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: hmm ok.. whats the diff of installing by apt-get and aptitude in lenny btw? |
| 05:44.23 | xeon-enouf | er use whichever you prefer |
| 05:44.30 | psychobot | ok |
| 05:44.53 | psychobot | i thought so too |
| 05:44.54 | Tired | judd, versions fudgit |
| 05:44.55 | judd | Tired: fudgit -- |
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| 05:45.25 | Tired | now how did that get onto my system |
| 05:45.57 | xeon-enouf | one of the repos listed from 'apt-cache policy' output |
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| 05:46.09 | xeon-enouf | or, it's just too old :-p |
| 05:46.12 | Tired | it must have been in etch |
| 05:46.26 | xeon-enouf | it would show as oldstable in judd |
| 05:46.28 | Tired | it was in non-free, though |
| 05:46.40 | Tired | true, that was one reason I asked judd |
| 05:46.44 | xeon-enouf | or as etch |
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| 05:46.54 | Tired | hmpf |
| 05:46.58 | Tired | guess I can remove it |
| 05:47.05 | xeon-enouf | maybe it as pulled at some point |
| 05:47.09 | xeon-enouf | s/as/was |
| 05:47.14 | Tired | fudgit: relocation error: fudgit: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 |
| 05:47.23 | Tired | must have been that |
| 05:47.24 | xeon-enouf | overwhelming bugginess :-p |
| 05:47.30 | Tired | no, oldness |
| 05:47.47 | xeon-enouf | glibc 2.0? that's not etch :-P |
| 05:47.47 | Tired | perhaps it was in sarge :) |
| 05:47.51 | xeon-enouf | earlier! |
| 05:47.57 | Tired | potato? |
| 05:48.03 | xeon-enouf | woody? |
| 05:48.28 | Tired | pity, it looked interesting... |
| 05:48.44 | xeon-enouf | give it a facelift and upload :-) |
| 05:49.08 | Tired | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.15 | Tired | nah, not SO interesting :) |
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| 05:49.34 | Tired | I would have fudgit around with it a bit |
| 05:49.45 | nachos | is there any way to monitor a users internet usage statistics? ie for a given user "joe" this software will log how much he transfered in a day? |
| 05:49.48 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions gnuplot |
| 05:49.49 | judd | xeon-enouf: gnuplot -- etch: 4.0.0-5 lenny: 4.2.2-1.2 sid: 4.2.4-1 sid: 4.2.4-4 squeeze: 4.2.5-3 sid: 4.2.6-1 |
| 05:50.59 | xeon-enouf | nachos: jnettop? |
| 05:51.09 | xeon-enouf | !info jnettop |
| 05:51.36 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: i did all what you said: installed those 2 and reconfigured.. but still no sound.. and infront of alsa still "none" http://pastebin.ca/raw/1585504 |
| 05:51.40 | dpkg | jnettop: (View hosts/ports taking up the most network traffic), section net, is extra. Version: 0.12.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 05:51.57 | nachos | good start xeon-enouf |
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| 05:52.16 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: without anything returning for cat /proc/asound/cards, all else is futile |
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| 05:53.12 | Tired | I just see there's anice program called pktstat ... a "top for internet connections" - but not really what you want |
| 05:53.31 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: it returns! --- no soundcards --- lol.. then how do i get my card to appear there? |
| 05:53.50 | xeon-enouf | dunno offhand |
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| 05:54.00 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: alsaconf? |
| 05:54.26 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: have you ever restarted kde? |
| 05:54.57 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: yeah after that 2 installs and reconfig |
| 05:54.59 | xeon-enouf | kmix definitely won't work until you do |
| 05:55.04 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 05:55.42 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: when alsaconf asks about modprobe.d/ say yes |
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| 05:56.18 | iuri | I ran the apt-get upgrade and i got stuck at downloading modules |
| 05:56.26 | iuri | http://pastebin.com/m53a16dcc |
| 05:56.31 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: when you did dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base did you select ALSA? i hope so |
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| 05:57.10 | psychobot | xeon-enouf:hm it didnt ask me for any selections.. |
| 05:57.28 | xeon-enouf | iuri: /msg dpkg etch key ; /msg dpkg lenny key |
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| 05:57.57 | iuri | xeon-enouf, what does it mean |
| 05:58.31 | xeon-enouf | !+tell iuri -about etch key |
| 05:58.31 | dpkg | told iuri about etch key. |
| 05:58.49 | xeon-enouf | !+tell iuri -about msgthebot |
| 05:58.51 | dpkg | told iuri about msgthebot. |
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| 05:59.36 | iuri | xeon-enouf, i dont understand what you mean. are those commands to run |
| 05:59.55 | xeon-enouf | iuri: you would type into your irc client, yes |
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| 06:00.16 | xeon-enouf | iuri: look in other windows for private messages from [dpkg] |
| 06:01.35 | xeon-enouf | you sure you didn't steal someon |
| 06:01.41 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: strange with alsaconf everything like went fine.. it found my sound card.. i said yes to modprobe.. the only thing it failed to launch amixer but said i can adjust the volume with my fav mixer.. but still no sound and no sound card in /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:01.47 | xeon-enouf | you sure you didn't steal someone's old etch server :-P |
| 06:02.05 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: ouch |
| 06:02.21 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: cat /proc/version |
| 06:02.39 | iuri | xeon-enouf, no, this one was an old etch install i had here |
| 06:02.53 | iuri | i created the vm box and now i cant use it anymore |
| 06:03.03 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: in kcontrol > sound.. make sure Advanced Linux ... (ALSA) is selected |
| 06:03.12 | xeon-enouf | is lost |
| 06:03.30 | psychobot | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1585507 |
| 06:03.37 | xeon-enouf | iuri: i was joking, but ok |
| 06:03.51 | psychobot | yeah i made sure of course... |
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| 06:04.30 | psychobot | maybe i need to reboot? |
| 06:04.44 | xeon-enouf | psychobot: valdyn mentioned you might need firmware for that card? |
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| 06:05.27 | xeon-enouf | that shouldn't be necessary .. so long as you did when you upgraded (kernel, and a few select other thngs) |
| 06:06.34 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: hmm seems like yes.. many complains about my card and lenny and no sound |
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| 06:08.26 | iuri | xeon-enouf, i changed the sources.list to http://pastebin.com/m5a9c66bb |
| 06:08.32 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: people say that its a kernel thing.. if i would boot with another one, sound should get back to work |
| 06:08.35 | iuri | that doesn't work nether |
| 06:10.15 | psychobot | xeon-enouf: or do what valdyn mentioned.. yes.. will try now |
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| 06:13.24 | xeon-enouf | iuri: non-us.debian.org is no longer |
| 06:13.36 | xeon-enouf | iuri: and you are not running stable |
| 06:13.58 | jaggz | \033[44m\033[2K used to clear a line making the background the current color (44 = blue) .. but in these terminals it doesn't change the background color except for actual text that's output after the command (not the whole line).. what can I do to make a full-screen-width line of a background color in the terminal? |
| 06:14.08 | xeon-enouf | iuri: non-us.debian.org is no longer +valid+ ; /msg dpkg dmm lenny |
| 06:14.47 | xeon-enouf | jaggz: setterm maybe |
| 06:15.13 | xeon-enouf | or .. TERM=blah ; export $BLAH |
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| 06:16.00 | xeon-enouf | where's your ^[ btw/ |
| 06:16.04 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 06:16.11 | iuri | can you paste a valid sources.list on pastebin |
| 06:16.41 | xeon-enouf | iuri: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 06:17.33 | iuri | i read what is in the other window dpkg |
| 06:17.45 | iuri | it just points to 2 links |
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| 06:18.35 | mhymn | iuri: do you need to read 'man sources.list'? |
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| 06:19.15 | octal | me? :) |
| 06:19.25 | jaggz | it's set to "screen" (TERM) .. just trying to figure out what would make the line a solid color.. |
| 06:19.29 | jaggz | maybe I should use ncurses instead |
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| 06:25.49 | xeon-enouf | jaggz: oh yeah.. heh |
| 06:26.50 | xeon-enouf | jaggz: i had been toying with echo and various colors |
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| 06:45.48 | stew | project2501a: have you read the README.Debian for network-manager? |
| 06:46.05 | project2501a | no, but i haven't had any coffee this morning either |
| 06:46.10 | project2501a | good suggestion, thanks |
| 06:46.41 | project2501a | http://imgur.com/SpI4u.png |
| 06:46.41 | stew | project2501a: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:46.47 | project2501a | squeeze |
| 06:46.58 | stew | project2501a: then forget network-manager, use wicd |
| 06:47.22 | project2501a | even for the wired connections? |
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| 06:47.46 | stew | yes |
| 06:47.51 | stew | why am I loking at this png? |
| 06:48.22 | project2501a | well, i thought i'd be funny |
| 06:48.23 | project2501a | sorry |
| 06:48.41 | project2501a | ooh, gnome meta package just got removed |
| 06:48.42 | project2501a | lovely |
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| 06:53.09 | buzzybron | hello |
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| 06:53.50 | abchirk | hello |
| 06:54.06 | buzzybron | i have a machine which has a root user logged in physically, how can i kill tht process and log the root out through ssh? |
| 06:54.23 | abchirk | kill his bash? |
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| 06:55.27 | buzzybron | how can i do tht? |
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| 06:55.50 | xeon-enouf | wait, you want to kill the root user that's running the sshd? |
| 06:56.25 | abchirk | @ first I would look at who... get his terminal and then kill the bash on /dev/pts/<number> which I would find with ps -ef | grep bash |
| 06:56.34 | abchirk | but I guess there is a shorter way :) |
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| 07:02.23 | abchirk | buzzybron, got it? |
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| 07:06.43 | a-s | how can I insert on Linux the subtitles from a DVD in the movie? On DVDs the subtitles are encoded as bitmaps, not as text... |
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| 07:07.00 | doomster | waves to the crowd. |
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| 07:09.52 | project2501a | mmmm. apparently my nice international fonts have taken south |
| 07:10.07 | nachos | what is proc/[number]/net for? |
| 07:10.23 | nachos | it would be safe to assume that its network statistics for a particular process |
| 07:10.31 | nachos | but it seems like its reading global statistics |
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| 07:12.49 | buzzybron | xeon-enouf: yes, i think tht is right |
| 07:13.13 | jaggz | xeon, tired of adding my $colors to my perl scripts each time I code.. . |
| 07:13.34 | jaggz | figured I'd try to use perl's ncurses/curses this time instead |
| 07:13.35 | buzzybron | abchirk: hmm lemme try when i have to kill it, right now it is running some process and if you head to the machine physically, no password and you are root! weee |
| 07:13.41 | jaggz | so far it seems to be a time-consuming mistake |
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| 07:18.42 | iuri | hi there,i want to install debian on a computer using the network |
| 07:18.53 | iuri | how can i install it. |
| 07:18.58 | abchirk | netinstall cd |
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| 07:19.07 | abchirk | or do you mean through ssh? |
| 07:19.12 | iuri | but the computer has no cd drive |
| 07:19.23 | abchirk | hm, is tehre a linux actually? |
| 07:19.30 | iuri | no |
| 07:19.41 | abchirk | usbboot? :p |
| 07:20.02 | iuri | the box is empty. i want to boot it up and choose the network to first device |
| 07:20.19 | iuri | then from another machine i want to use the cdrom and install the linux |
| 07:20.33 | mhymn | iuri: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 07:20.58 | rvalles | iuri: or BKO |
| 07:21.05 | rvalles | iuri: http://boot.kernel.org |
| 07:21.13 | rvalles | iuri: there's the installer for stable in there |
| 07:21.34 | rvalles | (netboot over the internet) |
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| 07:24.51 | iuri | what do i need to install it |
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| 07:25.21 | mhymn | !rtfm |
| 07:25.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 07:25.37 | mhymn | that |
| 07:26.06 | sime | iuri: look at the How to use it section of thewebsite iuri mentioned |
| 07:26.25 | sime | iuri: rvalles i mean |
| 07:26.41 | iuri | it says here i need to use tftp but the box is empty |
| 07:26.42 | sime | rvalles: first time i heard of boot.kernel.org, looks cool |
| 07:27.15 | sime | tftp is a server |
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| 07:29.26 | iuri | the scenario is , the network is set as the first device to boot up but then what i have know clue what i need to accomplish the rest of the process |
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| 07:30.47 | rvalles | sime: yeah, very nice |
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| 07:31.06 | rvalles | sime: I have since made a local setup (one of the options of which is to chainload their .pxe) |
| 07:31.17 | rvalles | sime: with some tools and stuff for fast access in my lan. |
| 07:31.46 | iuri | i it says here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot i need to download a small portion and then continue .... |
| 07:31.53 | rvalles | iuri: with BKO |
| 07:31.56 | iuri | but the box is empty |
| 07:32.05 | iuri | i cant even boot it up |
| 07:32.14 | rvalles | iuri: you only need internet connection in the computer you want to install debian to. |
| 07:32.32 | rvalles | iuri: and to boot their "image" from floppy, usb or a miniiso. |
| 07:32.54 | rvalles | then you get a menu which has livecds and installers for a lot of distros, including debian stable |
| 07:33.06 | rvalles | it's all on-the-fly downloaded from the internet. |
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| 07:33.52 | rvalles | 07:29:29 < iuri> the scenario is , the network is set as the first device to boot up but then what i have know clue what i need to accomplish the rest of the process |
| 07:34.00 | rvalles | you have no physical access to the computer? |
| 07:34.15 | iuri | yes i have phisical access |
| 07:34.25 | rvalles | then, why do you need to boot using PXE? |
| 07:34.33 | iuri | but the computer has no floppy neither cdrom |
| 07:34.39 | rvalles | iuri: can it boot from usb? |
| 07:34.46 | rvalles | (hint: most can) |
| 07:34.50 | rvalles | *nowadays |
| 07:34.51 | iuri | not sure sec |
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| 07:35.06 | rvalles | if so, all you need is to prepare BKO on it (using the instructions on boot.kernel.org) |
| 07:35.34 | rvalles | basically dumping their (small!) image to the pendrive using dd on any linux computer. |
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| 07:37.19 | Keo | I'm having a little trouble with my sound. I have an Asus G71GX laptop, and I think the sound is going to the hdmi output and not the internal speakers. Anyone have an idea on how to get this going right? |
| 07:37.23 | iuri | the motherboard has the options usb-hdd, usb-cdrom, usb-zip and usb-fdd |
| 07:37.29 | iuri | which one should i use |
| 07:38.24 | iuri | rvalles, the motherboard has the options usb-hdd, usb-cdrom, usb-zip and usb-fdd |
| 07:38.33 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! I did a apt-get dist-upgrade, which resulted in a failure to be corrected by apt-get -f install. I ran that, and it resulted in one of those nightmarish "Yes, do as I say!" scenarios. So, I wanted to cancel the whole thing and just keep going with my old packages. However, now, whenever I attempt to install any package, it regurgitates the error that has me going to apt-get -f install. How do I tell apt to forget about the whole dist-upgrade an |
| 07:38.34 | iuri | rvalles, which one should i use |
| 07:38.38 | rvalles | iuri: which means, you can boot from a pendrive (usb-hdd) |
| 07:38.57 | rvalles | iuri: now, prepare a pendrive using boot.kernel.org instructions |
| 07:38.59 | rvalles | boot from it |
| 07:39.07 | rvalles | and just find debian on the menus you'll get. |
| 07:39.34 | kraut | moin |
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| 07:42.11 | yucatan1 | yesterday i was here i asked a question how to install vmware tools in debian |
| 07:42.14 | _|Nix|_ | Anyone? Please? I'm screwed for installing any new package until this is resolved :( |
| 07:42.15 | yucatan1 | i still dont have it working |
| 07:42.47 | iuri | rvalles, which means to download the usb image. but the file is gpexe.usb |
| 07:43.31 | iuri | rvalles, should i just copy the file in the usb drive and use it to boot the other computer |
| 07:43.39 | markn | yucatan1: run the config.pl script ? |
| 07:43.39 | rvalles | iuri: no. |
| 07:43.47 | rvalles | iuri: read the instructions in the site |
| 07:43.55 | rvalles | iuri: you do not copy the file to the usb device |
| 07:44.02 | rvalles | iuri: you DUMP it over the usb device |
| 07:44.07 | rvalles | (it's a disk image) |
| 07:44.14 | rvalles | it explains how to do so. |
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| 07:45.25 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I got an issue using ipmitool with Lenny on a R710. If I unplug one of my alims, ipmitool sdr give me PS Redudancy = ok (ipmi_si, devintf & msghandler loaded), any idea ? |
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| 07:48.47 | uwjweq | Where should I look in a 300 Line file when the error message tells me to look in line 342 |
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| 07:51.42 | Guerin_ | uwjweq: what you are thinking of as lines may not be what the parser thinks of as lines |
| 07:53.06 | uwjweq | The keyword it gives me is also not in the file. |
| 07:53.32 | uwjweq | Although I explicity opened the file mentioned in the error. |
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| 07:54.10 | Guerin_ | uwjweq: then I guess it's the wrong file |
| 07:54.24 | nsadmin | uwjweq: try this... emacs thatfile.something |
| 07:54.41 | nsadmin | ctrl-u 4 9 9 (downarrow) |
| 07:54.56 | nsadmin | err make that... |
| 07:55.02 | uwjweq | Did this, it has 300 lines. |
| 07:55.43 | nsadmin | hmm. so the error message parser is screwed somehow |
| 07:56.06 | nsadmin | are you sure it' |
| 07:56.13 | uwjweq | Yes |
| 07:56.18 | nsadmin | are you sure you have the correct file? |
| 07:56.28 | uwjweq | Yes, I am positive. |
| 07:56.33 | nsadmin | look at the error message carefully |
| 07:57.03 | nsadmin | in that case, nothing to do... the language interpreter isn't doing its job correctly |
| 07:57.04 | uwjweq | This is since the update yesterday. Anything in the update of stable that could have caused this? |
| 07:57.22 | nsadmin | who knows |
| 07:57.30 | nsadmin | what language? |
| 07:57.46 | nsadmin | also, can you pastebin the exact complete error message? |
| 07:58.14 | nsadmin | and this 300 line file too |
| 07:58.28 | uwjweq | This appears to occur when wmii reads its config-file. |
| 07:58.35 | uwjweq | /etc/X11/wmii-3.5/wmiirc: line 342: `Key_Mod4_ĆĀ¶': not a valid identifier |
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| 07:59.52 | nsadmin | what if you do this... grep Key_Mod4_ĆĀ¶ /etc/X11/wmii-3.5/wmiirc |
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| 08:00.23 | uwjweq | tried this, did not bring up anything but I'll do it again to make sure |
| 08:00.24 | khtb | wow, long nick list |
| 08:00.44 | uwjweq | brings nothing up the second time, too. |
| 08:00.49 | nsadmin | uwjweq: in that case it's not reporting the correct file |
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| 08:00.59 | uwjweq | ok |
| 08:01.08 | nsadmin | howbout... |
| 08:01.17 | uwjweq | Will that find me the right file? find / | grep -rn Key_Mod4_ĆĀ¶ |
| 08:01.24 | nsadmin | what if you do this... grep -n Key_Mod4_ĆĀ¶ /etc/X11/wmii-3.5/* |
| 08:01.34 | nsadmin | does that give any lines? |
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| 08:02.13 | uwjweq | No |
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| 08:03.33 | nsadmin | let's see if you can come up with the answer to that other question... |
| 08:03.45 | nsadmin | take a look at: find / | head |
| 08:03.55 | nsadmin | what kind of data are you looking at? |
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| 08:09.16 | nsadmin | actually never mind... seems you don't want to answer anyways |
| 08:10.15 | yucatan1 | does soembody ever teste open-vm-tools from sourceforce for vmware in debian? |
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| 08:18.42 | TheAvatar | In a sh-script, how can I cd into an unknown (dynamic) directory? I know the name is backup-<some date> - a bit like using tab to autocomplete. The date is of course dynamic |
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| 08:22.16 | FalscherHase | hi. i have a mail-newbie question: how can i arrange local mail delivery for mails to root@localhost to my user's KMail? at installation i was already asked which user should receive root's mails and i see them in the 'mail' command. but how do the mails get from /var/mail/user to ~user/Mail (maildir)? |
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| 08:24.16 | simonrvn | TheAvatar: figure out the date format and use $(date "+theformathere") ...? seems simple to me. |
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| 08:27.30 | uwjweq | nsadmin: I was away: daily scrum |
| 08:27.54 | uwjweq | nsadmin: find / | grep -rn Key_Mod4_ĆĀ¶ did not bring up a thing. |
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| 08:31.10 | demonsdread | helloes, there was a perfect article on persistent debian installation on usb sticks with casper, but i cant seem to find it because of ubuntu articles all over the internet, do youguys have the link |
| 08:32.07 | simonrvn | try -ubuntu in most if not all search engines... |
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| 08:34.31 | TheAvatar | simonrvn, I dont know the date, but I found out I can just mv dir/* dir/knowndir, then it works |
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| 08:35.18 | simonrvn | that should be ok. though i'd put in some checks and failsafes |
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| 08:37.59 | demonsdread | simonrvn: possibly there was a few 'ubuntu' words in the page, sad thing is there is really no article with the simples search " installing debian on usb" |
| 08:38.46 | TheAvatar | yer I guess - but if things arent as expected, there's places elsewhere, that should be fixed instead - it is in a backup situation |
| 08:39.04 | pexy_ | i have problem with ncurses windows. on one machine all the edges are shown correctly, but on another machine ncurses window edges are made of different strange letters (a with dash on top)? both lenny and LANG=en_US.UTF-8. similar thing is with using estonian letters Ć¼ĆµĆ¶Ć¤ in pico. |
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| 08:39.45 | simonrvn | TheAvatar: yes |
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| 09:04.35 | manicman | hi |
| 09:06.46 | manicman | i have a dependency to 2.6.17lenny2 but lenny1 is installed... should i use -f? i think this will break things cause its a xen kernel what i need to upgrade... |
| 09:06.48 | manicman | any hints? |
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| 09:07.11 | yucatan1 | does somebody ever worked with open-vmware-tools? |
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| 09:08.55 | themill | manicman: -f is never the right option. Is that a kernel version that you're quoting? |
| 09:10.28 | manicman | themill: i think so... the full error message is that: http://pastie.org/636397 |
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| 09:12.48 | themill | manicman: there was something that you did prior to that to get apt into that state.... "aptitude -f install" would probably sort things out for you (-f is for fix not for force!). Note that it's 2.6.26-17lenny1 not 2.6.17lenny1... that 26 is important there! |
| 09:13.03 | themill | manicman: actually, I'd guess that you need to "aptitude -f full-ugprade" |
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| 09:15.16 | scream_ | hi! did anyone manage to enable bluetooth on X61 on debian testing? |
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| 09:20.08 | yucatan1 | does some can help me installing vmware tools in debian ? |
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| 09:24.03 | manicman | themill: hm.. looked all very good.. but actually didnt solve the problem... i have openoffice packages installed which i dont need... i am especially wondering about line 101: http://paste.debian.net/47800/ |
| 09:24.16 | manicman | themill: could it be that it isnt my fault? |
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| 09:25.09 | themill | manicman: your disk is full... |
| 09:25.19 | manicman | what? |
| 09:25.21 | manicman | oh |
| 09:25.23 | manicman | mom |
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| 09:25.54 | manicman | themill: hm.. you are right... |
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| 09:26.43 | manicman | themill: can i tell the apt system to save things in a different place, so that things wont be saved on the disk mounted on / ? |
| 09:27.03 | themill | manicman: if you don't want openoffice, then getting rid of that will be the simplest solution: aptitude -f install ~nopenoffice_ |
| 09:27.22 | jnewt | i can ssh inton my "router", then from there ssh to my other server, the "web server" from the outside the network, but can only use winscp to connect to the webserver from inside the network. is there a way that i can make it / another program like it work from the outside? |
| 09:28.05 | jnewt | i know that is poorly worded, but it's what i know at this point. |
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| 09:30.00 | jnewt | i can use winscp to get into the "router" box from the outside, but don't know how to do the "redirect" to get to the "web server" |
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| 09:30.11 | petemc | jnewt: port forwarding |
| 09:30.12 | manicman | themill: hm... o.k. even that does not work cause there is no space left on device... |
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| 09:30.36 | manicman | themill: ill have to reinstall debian and do the partitioning myself...:\ |
| 09:30.44 | jnewt | petemc, what port should i use? |
| 09:30.54 | petemc | jnewt: thats up to you |
| 09:31.16 | jnewt | i know, but i get the feeling there are some general rules.. 80 for web, 22 for ssh, etc |
| 09:31.41 | LuCasn | how come that i keep getting input/output errors on an ext2 filesystem on a brand new SD card that has no bad blocks? |
| 09:31.42 | petemc | jnewt: the router runs ssh already, so you wont be using 22, try 23 |
| 09:31.54 | jnewt | ok, thanks. |
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| 09:32.33 | project2501a | hi |
| 09:32.38 | project2501a | i dist-upgraded last night |
| 09:32.42 | project2501a | and i lost some greek fonts |
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| 09:33.12 | project2501a | or at least, the fonts that my browser is using right now to display greek, are not what i could call smooth |
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| 09:34.04 | project2501a | can i have a clue, please? |
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| 09:35.40 | liable | !cluebat project2501a |
| 09:35.40 | dpkg | beats project2501a with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 1! Go to http://www.tldp.org/ for HOWTOs |
| 09:35.56 | project2501a | lol |
| 09:36.03 | project2501a | i need to make those foam googlebats |
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| 09:36.28 | liable | project2501a: check your dpkg log and see what packages decided to be removed or broken during install |
| 09:36.38 | themill | manicman: it should be possible to recover from where you are at the moment without a reinstall |
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| 09:37.30 | Jill | hi |
| 09:37.41 | project2501a | /var/log/dpkg something? |
| 09:38.27 | liable | why not take a look and see.. |
| 09:38.41 | project2501a | cuz i haven't had coffee yet |
| 09:38.43 | project2501a | *grunts* |
| 09:38.45 | project2501a | ta mate |
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| 09:40.30 | themill | !coffee project2501a |
| 09:40.30 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic Jamaican Blue Mountain for project2501a, courtesy of themill |
| 09:40.36 | themill | problem solved. |
| 09:40.51 | project2501a | nothing like the real thing at Costa, but thanks for the sentiment |
| 09:41.01 | project2501a | adds insulin to that cup of joe |
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| 09:43.32 | liable | where did that come from? cup of joe |
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| 09:44.08 | project2501a | from my kitchen |
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| 09:46.14 | pexy_ | two machines, both lenny, LANG=en_US.UTF-8. why on one machine in pico estonian letters Ć¼ĆµĆ¶Ć¤ are ok, but on another machine pico shows ĆÆĀæĀ½ĆÆĀæĀ½ĆÆĀæĀ½ĆÆĀæĀ½ when i try to use these letters? |
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| 09:48.43 | Jill | pexy matrix has you... |
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| 09:58.54 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 09:58.54 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
| 09:58.59 | BackLash|TheFly | ^agree |
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| 10:18.30 | hanshenrik | just did sudo tasksel install lamp-server & sudo apt-get install php5 & sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart - and i have a index.php and a index.html; http://127.0.0.1/ == index.html by default (but specifying index.php works just fine as well) is that normal? |
| 10:19.16 | rdz | hi all. i installed rkhunter on a debian minimal installation and rkhunter reports everytime it performs a check, that the file /etc/mtab has a new inode. what kind of service would touch this file? |
| 10:20.30 | themill | hanshenrik: Sounds like you need to reorder DirectoryIndex. But what version of debian has a task named "lamp-server"? |
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| 10:21.19 | hanshenrik | themill: xD ok busted, sorry it was from ubuntu repo |
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| 10:22.34 | hanshenrik | themill: thanks! found it |
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| 10:24.58 | rdz | aah.. it's a openvz virtual machine and it /etc/mtab is symlinked to /proc/self/mounts |
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| 10:35.51 | jetscreamer | so how about now: anybody know anything about the current state of xorg in sid? |
| 10:36.07 | jetscreamer | aka, is it borked, or is it something else |
| 10:37.01 | themill | jetscreamer: http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel |
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| 10:37.52 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 10:39.49 | jetscreamer | can't even vt switch |
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| 10:52.56 | daemon | dpkg, tell daemon about revert |
| 10:53.05 | daemon | damn it I forgot again |
| 10:53.27 | daemon | dpkg, tell daemon about minimal |
| 10:53.27 | daemon | crap |
| 10:53.48 | daemon | anyone recall what it is for the aptitude way to strip out all 'extra' packages and revert back down to minimal install |
| 10:54.08 | daemon | its an aptitude command and dpkg has it recorded I just cant remember what keyword its under |
| 10:54.48 | liable | autoremove? |
| 10:54.51 | daemon | no |
| 10:54.57 | liable | !tell daemon about selftell |
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| 10:56.12 | gasg | hello room |
| 10:56.18 | liable | !room |
| 10:56.18 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 10:57.35 | WormFood | as I like to say..."this is not AOL, this is not a 'room'" |
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| 10:58.14 | liable | orly? |
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| 11:00.21 | themill | dpkg: tell daemon about uninstall everything |
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| 11:00.30 | themill | that one? |
| 11:00.49 | daemon | themill, thats the one, thank you again I think this is the third time ;) |
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| 11:01.11 | themill | turns on channel logging on daemon's IRC client |
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| 11:01.33 | daemon | :) |
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| 11:05.22 | sholl | hi all |
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| 11:05.57 | sholl | has somebody running testing have problems with mouse-scrolling? |
| 11:06.12 | sholl | (like I have currently)? |
| 11:06.35 | liable | in what? |
| 11:07.15 | sholl | in squeeze |
| 11:07.23 | liable | the weasel flakes out for scrolling when there is flash on pages for me. has done for pretty much a year or so.. |
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| 11:07.49 | sholl | liable, seems not my problem though. |
| 11:08.23 | sholl | I cannot scroll anymore using the middle-mouse button and the trackpoint for a day or so. |
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| 11:08.57 | sholl | is wondering if this a common problem in squeeze currently. |
| 11:08.58 | gullstein | I got a brand new motherboard, just a month old and I can not get suspend to disk to work. Suspend to ram work perfectly. I have the same packages installed as on my 4yo laptop and there both work. |
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| 11:09.23 | liable | xorg is broken in sid apparently, dunno if its migrated down, or what the actual borkage is |
| 11:10.25 | sholl | liable, seems so, yes. xorg-common was in the upgrade yesterday |
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| 11:11.50 | sholl | I should use HAL or evdev to accomplish the task though while reading http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint. |
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| 11:19.26 | g00se | My netstat seems to have bizarrely gone into what looks like Finnish!? |
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| 11:19.38 | ice4u | y0 |
| 11:19.46 | sholl | for those having the same problem: using HAL and evdev in squeeze reaktivate the scrolling: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_udev_and_HAL |
| 11:20.08 | ice4u | how to uninstall grub |
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| 11:20.35 | gopher | whre can i find old debian packaes (libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 dbg) ? |
| 11:20.40 | ice4u | how to uninstall grub |
| 11:20.41 | enmerkar | ice4u: why would you want to do that? |
| 11:20.59 | ice4u | hmm my hal.dll file is corrupted |
| 11:21.15 | liable | huh? |
| 11:21.17 | ice4u | i install several linux in my one hard drive |
| 11:21.18 | enmerkar | gopher: try archive.debian.org |
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| 11:21.45 | ice4u | guys |
| 11:21.49 | ice4u | ? |
| 11:21.52 | ice4u | help |
| 11:22.01 | marcriera | ice4: hal.dll is windows stuff |
| 11:22.01 | enmerkar | ice4u: you don't make sense |
| 11:22.03 | ice4u | i want to uninstall grub |
| 11:22.12 | enmerkar | ice4u: how did you install it? |
| 11:22.17 | marcriera | ice4u: grub is not related to it |
| 11:22.49 | gopher | enmerkar: its etch, but its an older build; dont find it on archive. |
| 11:23.04 | enmerkar | gopher: maybe /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 11:23.11 | ma3x | if you patch the kernel to 2.6.26.1 , 2.6.26.2 ... 2.6.26.8, can you patch it then to 2.6.27 or you'd have to reverse all patches to strip it down to 2.6.26? |
| 11:23.23 | gnuyoga | ice4u: why would u want to uninstall grub ? |
| 11:23.36 | enmerkar | ma3x: depends on which patches are available.. |
| 11:23.46 | gnuyoga | ice4u: and what do u mean by uninstall, just remove the package for remove from boot sector ? |
| 11:23.49 | ice4u | i have puppylinux install and then todya i install redhat then its change the grub of puppy |
| 11:24.54 | ice4u | *today |
| 11:24.58 | gnuyoga | ice4u: do u want to configure dual boot ? |
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| 11:25.07 | ice4u | yeahhhh :D |
| 11:25.10 | ma3x | enmerkar: say you have 2.6.26.8 , can you apply the 2.6.27 patch? or you'd have to reverse patch 2.6.26.8 , 2.6.26.7 , 2.6.26.6.... |
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| 11:25.29 | gnuyoga | ice4u: u need to ask the right question to get correct ans ... other wise no one will respond |
| 11:25.46 | enmerkar | ma3x: no. most likely. check which patches are available. |
| 11:25.46 | ice4u | ok wait |
| 11:25.55 | silidan | i im having here an onboard graphic card (intel GMA 3100) any clue what package i neet to get 3d acceleration? |
| 11:26.03 | smcq | I'm trying to use e1000e with xen on jaunty, will I need to compile a custom kernel? |
| 11:26.08 | silidan | im on debian lenny i should note |
| 11:26.15 | ma3x | enmerkar: no, most likely what? |
| 11:26.18 | mhymn | ice4u: tell us your debian version first |
| 11:26.19 | themill | smcq: try #ubuntu |
| 11:26.31 | smcq | er sorry, I'm on lenny |
| 11:26.37 | smcq | (too many machines being configured this morning =p |
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| 11:26.56 | enmerkar | ma3x: re-read your quesiton |
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| 11:27.08 | ice4u | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:27.39 | epsilon | ice4u: try #windows |
| 11:27.40 | ice4u | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.41 | ma3x | enmerkar: most likely what? reverse the patches? |
| 11:27.46 | mhymn | epsilon: +1 |
| 11:27.52 | enmerkar | yeah |
| 11:27.55 | ice4u | 0,o |
| 11:27.56 | gnuyoga | ice4u: r u logged in to the machine ? |
| 11:28.20 | ice4u | no |
| 11:28.45 | gnuyoga | ice4u: u can use the redhat cd and boot in rescue mode. |
| 11:28.47 | ice4u | okay i go to windows |
| 11:29.02 | gnuyoga | ice4u: and pastebin.com the output of "fdisk -l && mount" after login |
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| 11:29.33 | ice4u | ok dear thanks .. |
| 11:29.35 | gnuyoga | ice4u: am presuming that u have puppy and redhat installed in different partition ? |
| 11:29.56 | gnuyoga | ice4u: perhaps we are not that close to call me "dear" dear ;) |
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| 11:30.23 | ice4u | :D yup but i uninstalled redhat ii have win23 and puppylinux |
| 11:30.48 | ice4u | ohh sorry |
| 11:30.55 | ice4u | typo |
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| 11:31.10 | themill | is trying to work out how any of this is related to debian |
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| 11:31.41 | gnuyoga | themill: good point ^-^ |
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| 11:32.21 | mhymn | gnuyoga: good point? really? |
| 11:32.32 | gasg | hey, I've installe debian from cd1, but I don't find network-manager, it is possible that it isn't installed? |
| 11:32.37 | gasg | installed* |
| 11:32.50 | ice4u | gus litsen i just want to install redhat ,xp,puppylinux,ubuntu in same machine |
| 11:33.41 | themill | ice4u: I don't see "debian" in that list.... Try asking the people who actually work with the distributions you are talking about |
| 11:34.02 | ice4u | :( |
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| 11:34.57 | enmerkar | ice4u: you should begin by installing debian + one other |
| 11:35.05 | silidan | is there a driver available for an intel gma 3100 (g31 chipset) onboard graphic ?? (debian lenny) |
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| 11:35.53 | gasg | ... |
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| 11:36.32 | ice4u | OKay enmerkar and themil and gnuyoga thanks ............................:D |
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| 11:40.18 | kripz_ | whats up with my raid 5 array? iostat says its only writing to one drive, shoudlnt it split across all drives? |
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| 11:40.59 | abrotman | kripz_: is it a hwraid ? |
| 11:41.13 | kripz_ | mdadm |
| 11:41.29 | pif | hi, what should the perms of /dev/fuse be ? |
| 11:42.08 | kripz_ | abrotman, heres the output http://pastebin.com/m1b5c22b9 |
| 11:42.55 | jelly | kripz_: I see the load spread equally over sda-sdc |
| 11:42.58 | abrotman | right .. it's writing to the mdadm device .. |
| 11:43.14 | kripz_ | jelly its only writing to sdd |
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| 11:43.17 | abrotman | kripz_: unless i'm looking at the wrong device ? |
| 11:43.20 | jelly | kripz_: pastebin the contents of your /proc/mdstat |
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| 11:43.32 | abrotman | kripz_: which devices are in your md raid ? |
| 11:43.41 | kripz_ | /dev/sd* |
| 11:43.47 | jelly | kripz_: you have 3MB/s writing to md0 and 1MB/s writing to sda, sdb, sdc |
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| 11:44.38 | kripz_ | hmm, missed that bit. I use to get 90mb/s now only 10-20... its completely empty too. |
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| 11:44.47 | jelly | kripz_: you also have lots of reading from sda,b,c which may indicate your array is rebuilding. Check mdstat. |
| 11:45.16 | kripz_ | jelly, http://pastebin.com/m4d016738 |
| 11:45.24 | jelly | that's the first place to look with md issues |
| 11:45.38 | abrotman | so it's rebuilding sdd ? |
| 11:45.45 | kripz_ | where does it say that |
| 11:45.51 | jelly | nope, it looks normal |
| 11:45.54 | jelly | [UUUU] |
| 11:46.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 11:46.22 | themill | why is it reading from 3 disks and writing to the fourth then? |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | that's what i get for not looking at the actual paste :) |
| 11:46.56 | jelly | kripz_: pastebin more, some 10-60 secouds of iostat -mx |
| 11:47.02 | jelly | er |
| 11:47.05 | jelly | iostat -mx 1 |
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| 11:48.05 | jelly | one moment in time doesn't mean much |
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| 11:48.33 | smcq | fyi, e1000e works out of the box with xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 11:49.08 | kripz_ | jelly it seems stable: http://pastebin.com/m6e71585d |
| 11:49.41 | jelly | kripz_: so everything is in order |
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| 11:50.39 | kripz_ | Why is it writing most the the data to sdd |
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| 11:50.58 | jelly | it isn't! |
| 11:51.31 | jelly | you've just pasted output that refutes that |
| 11:51.45 | kripz_ | oh? |
| 11:51.54 | kripz_ | wMB/s? |
| 11:51.57 | abrotman | it does seem disproportionate ? |
| 11:52.24 | abrotman | though i'd guess sdd is the parity drive? |
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| 11:53.04 | radoe | abrotman: if it is raid5, parity ist stripped across all drives. |
| 11:53.12 | Winkie | well, i have an interesting issue which i suspect is nothing to do with debian, probably linux |
| 11:53.21 | Winkie | i have some machines connected through bonded ethernets, and i'm trying to do throughput tests on them |
| 11:53.24 | jelly | abrotman: that seems to be historical data, looks as if the drive had been added (back) to the array and its contents synced |
| 11:53.28 | Winkie | but these tests are resulting in crashes |
| 11:53.39 | jelly | Winkie: what crashes? |
| 11:53.41 | Winkie | and now, i have managed to get the machine into a state whereby it cannot talk ICMP to some machines |
| 11:53.47 | Winkie | jelly: the kernel |
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| 11:53.55 | abrotman | just goes back to bed |
| 11:53.55 | jelly | Winkie: uname -a? |
| 11:54.03 | Winkie | jelly: 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 11:54.17 | jelly | Winkie: uh, is there a reason for you to use the installer kernel? |
| 11:54.29 | Winkie | jelly: is it not the current kernel? |
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| 11:54.56 | jelly | Winkie: it's compiled unoptimally and limited to 1GB RAM usage |
| 11:55.21 | jelly | Winkie: install and use linux-image-686, see if the problem reoccurs |
| 11:55.22 | Winkie | interesting, i should switch to -686 i guess? |
| 11:55.25 | Winkie | right |
| 11:55.28 | Winkie | that won't take long |
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| 11:55.52 | ice4u | why debian ? |
| 11:55.52 | jelly | (this is a bug too, but if using a proper kernel fixes it along the way...) |
| 11:56.05 | jelly | !+tell ice4u -about why debian |
| 11:56.06 | dpkg | told ice4u about why debian. |
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| 11:56.16 | ice4u | why i use it why it? |
| 11:56.22 | Winkie | jelly: i had no idea 486 was anything other than compiled with support for older machines |
| 11:57.11 | jelly | Winkie: I think it's made to make most machines installable and you're supposed to replace it with a more appropriate build |
| 11:57.30 | Winkie | jelly: fair enough, i haven't really come across any issues with it but i think most of my machines are 686 |
| 11:57.37 | Winkie | rebooting that machine into 686 now |
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| 11:58.13 | ice4u | why i use debian why not fedora |
| 11:58.29 | jelly | Winkie: btw is the other side of the link a switch or another machine? |
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| 11:58.46 | EvilGuru | I am looking at the following guide for a Luks encrypted home directory with pam_mount |
| 11:59.03 | EvilGuru | However, I am wondering how well this will work if home and root are on an LVM |
| 11:59.32 | EvilGuru | would I still be able to resize my home partition, extend the cryptfs into that and then resize the fs |
| 11:59.38 | hanshenrik | is the "debian-sys-maint" user in mysql a security risk? |
| 11:59.40 | jelly | ice4u: your English is very hard to understand. |
| 11:59.44 | jelly | !in |
| 11:59.44 | dpkg | from memory, in is India. For Debian India, see #debian-in |
| 11:59.54 | Winkie | jelly: a switch |
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| 12:00.08 | Winkie | jelly: a netgear FS7something |
| 12:00.15 | Winkie | not the worst thing in the world |
| 12:00.25 | jelly | not a Cisco! |
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| 12:00.34 | themill | hanshenrik: /msg dpkg debian-sys-maint |
| 12:01.01 | hanshenrik | thanks |
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| 12:01.45 | Winkie | jelly: Cisco are amazing rip-off merchants :) |
| 12:01.57 | jelly | \o/ |
| 12:01.57 | Winkie | jelly: anyhow, problem has yet to recur on 686 |
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| 12:02.34 | jelly | see! Noone (sane) uses -486 :-) |
| 12:02.49 | Winkie | jelly: it's worrying that it might be the cause |
| 12:02.55 | Winkie | my link aggregation still isn't working perfectly |
| 12:02.59 | Titan8990 | Winkie, cisco might be very expensive but nothing gives the flexibility of their ios |
| 12:03.05 | Winkie | Titan8990: uh, linux does |
| 12:03.11 | jelly | or BSD |
| 12:03.16 | petemc | Titan8990: erm, what? |
| 12:03.24 | Winkie | and if you say 'very expensive' you really aren't scratching the surface |
| 12:03.28 | abrotman | he was making a joke! |
| 12:03.30 | petemc | ah |
| 12:03.32 | Winkie | did some RAM upgrades recently |
| 12:03.38 | Winkie | at thousands and thousands of pounds |
| 12:03.44 | Winkie | for modules which cost pounds |
| 12:03.46 | abrotman | that's heavy RAM |
| 12:03.53 | Winkie | pounds sterling :) |
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| 12:04.00 | Winkie | anyway vendor lock-in should be illegal |
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| 12:04.31 | Winkie | right, time to change the link aggregation strategy in an effort to eek a tiny bit more performance out |
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| 12:07.57 | Winkie | jelly: well i have yet to reproduce this, so thanks very much for your advice, but now i can't get link aggregation actually working on load balancing :) |
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| 12:09.24 | jelly | 'tis easy to do ... in IOS :-D |
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| 12:10.25 | jelly | and this is pretty much out of the documentation: install bond0 /sbin/modprobe bonding miimon=100 mode=4 xmit_hash_policy=1 max_bonds=1 |
| 12:10.48 | Winkie | jelly: no that all works |
| 12:10.52 | Winkie | jelly: just getting the load balancing working does not |
| 12:11.01 | Winkie | but i think it is because xmit_hash_policy was incorrectly set |
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| 12:11.35 | Winkie | and IOS may be fine, if you like being forced to literally hand over thousand and thousands of dollars in profit for absolutely no reward every time you need to upgrade anything |
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| 12:13.21 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 12:13.47 | Winkie | indeed |
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| 12:15.13 | Winkie | whether you hate cisco or not, debian is pretty awesome |
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| 12:23.52 | Winkie | hmm, i can't actually get the bonding hash method to change |
| 12:23.55 | Winkie | pretty odd! |
| 12:24.09 | Comnenus | How can I use dpkg to install a package but skip the config menus? I'm planning on dropping in the config files later. |
| 12:24.52 | themill | Comnenus: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 12:25.17 | Comnenus | themill: excellent, thank you. What is the default? |
| 12:26.06 | themill | Comnenus: if it's unset then the configured debconf front-end is used (dpkg-reconfigure debconf). whiptail is probably the one that you've got by default |
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| 12:27.03 | Comnenus | writing this down =D |
| 12:27.11 | andreus | hello. is it possible to install kde 3.5 on debian lenny, instead of 4.*? also so it wouldn't upgrade to 4th? |
| 12:27.43 | themill | andreus: lenny only comes with 3.5.x. |
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| 12:28.22 | abrotman | he can try the unofficial kde thingie |
| 12:28.48 | andreus | yes, i am just being told that. i haven't tried it yet so it's my fault, i've moved from ubuntu to debian and commonly thought that there's also 4.* |
| 12:29.09 | themill | !kde versions |
| 12:29.10 | dpkg | kde version is, like, look at http://wiki.debian.org/KDE for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs and kdelibs5 for an approximate version. |
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| 12:32.11 | joombafrog | can soemone tell me where the debian menu is located, i want to edit it |
| 12:32.57 | Winkie | the 'debian menu'? |
| 12:33.06 | d1b | what's a debian menu ? |
| 12:33.13 | d1b | and where do i get one! |
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| 12:35.39 | joombafrog | clearly i am in the wrong channel... |
| 12:36.01 | nse | Is there known problems with installing debian testing via netinst whether I use a ADSL internet connection? |
| 12:36.01 | joombafrog | perhaps i should try oftc |
| 12:36.01 | silidan | joombafrog: you mean a menu of some desktop environment? |
| 12:36.02 | nse | *Are |
| 12:36.46 | petemc | nse: how does that connection appear to your computer?> |
| 12:36.46 | themill | joombafrog: your desktop environment should give you a way of overriding entries. Editing the entries provided by debian isn't recommended. |
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| 12:36.47 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
| 12:36.47 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !! |
| 12:36.47 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
| 12:36.47 | joombafrog | but the thing is... |
| 12:36.49 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !! |
| 12:36.51 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
| 12:36.53 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !! |
| 12:36.55 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
| 12:36.57 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !! |
| 12:36.58 | joombafrog | if i need to override it, i need to see wtf i am looking at |
| 12:36.59 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
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| 12:37.00 | liable | !ops Electronlibre |
| 12:37.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: Electronlibre |
| 12:37.01 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !! |
| 12:37.01 | joombafrog | where is the .xml located |
| 12:37.03 | Electronlibre | Freenode pƩdophile, violeurs d'enfants innocents, abuseur, fils de putes, enculƩs !!! |
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| 12:37.16 | liable | when the hell did you get ops? |
| 12:37.22 | liable | i want ops! |
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| 12:37.46 | Winkie | not entirely sure you can accuse an irc network of being a paedophile |
| 12:37.50 | Winkie | unless it's been pinging kids |
| 12:37.52 | joombafrog | the debian menu system it is poorly documented |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | liable: and then who would protect the sheep? |
| 12:38.06 | tarzeau | joombafrog: which one? |
| 12:38.17 | tarzeau | joombafrog: you mean debian/menu not the desktop files for gnome/kde? |
| 12:38.27 | themill | joombafrog: hardly... first hit with google "debian menu" |
| 12:38.29 | joombafrog | it talks of editing enteries in ~/.menu |
| 12:38.34 | joombafrog | but i dont have a ~/.menu dir |
| 12:38.40 | tarzeau | joombafrog: so you create it? |
| 12:38.40 | joombafrog | where does the debian menu come from |
| 12:38.44 | joombafrog | i need to know, so i c an .. yes |
| 12:38.46 | tarzeau | joombafrog: from touching it |
| 12:38.49 | liable | abrotman: they dont need it. they'll back up to anyone |
| 12:38.59 | tarzeau | joombafrog: debian also has stuff in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 12:39.21 | abrotman | stuff ... |
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| 12:39.29 | Winkie | jelly: i have had the problem reoccur on 686 now :) |
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| 12:39.32 | Winkie | took me a while |
| 12:39.38 | joombafrog | oh really |
| 12:39.44 | nse | petemc: I can't tell you really because I am about to buy internet services and this ADSL seems to be a very attractive option. My problem is that I've never had contact with such connection when I am used to a direct cable connection. |
| 12:39.46 | joombafrog | the first hit from google with 'debian menu' |
| 12:39.51 | liable | themill: fine, be a snob. |
| 12:39.58 | themill | liable: huh? |
| 12:40.04 | joombafrog | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ i am here now |
| 12:40.12 | liable | pay more attention |
| 12:40.14 | joombafrog | perhaps you could point me to exactly which page describes the procedure |
| 12:40.19 | joombafrog | no u |
| 12:40.24 | petemc | nse: i meant, do you have a pci adsl modem, or an adsl modem/router with an ethernet switch? |
| 12:40.37 | themill | liable: oh, about a month ago. You've obviously not been paying attention... :) |
| 12:41.08 | petemc | and thats why you dont have ops! |
| 12:41.20 | themill | heh |
| 12:41.31 | liable | themill: i have only just in the last few days been semi paying attention in here. except when i see trolls and spammers |
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| 12:41.36 | liable | then i find no ops! |
| 12:42.24 | nse | petemc: I am almost sure about having a an adsl modem/router with an ethernet switch because there's an extern object that looks like a modem, yes. |
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| 12:43.03 | liable | although, i probably would have had to +b myself the other day if i had it.. |
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| 12:44.50 | petemc | nse: you should have no problems then, provided your nic is supported, which is most likely is |
| 12:45.04 | Winkie | yeah ok there's some bug here, which i really don't know how to isolate |
| 12:45.31 | nse | petemc: what do you mean nic? |
| 12:45.42 | liable | !nic |
| 12:45.42 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network. Network Information Center |
| 12:46.16 | nse | Oh yes I am almost sure debian can do the job! |
| 12:46.17 | liable | i was worried if i knew the right (whats the backwards for acronym?) for that when i did it! |
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| 12:48.40 | joombafrog | so clearly no one knows how to populate an empty ~/.menu |
| 12:49.02 | joombafrog | i tried making .menu and .menu-methods and ran update-menu but nothing changed |
| 12:49.09 | joombafrog | clearly the debian menu system is undocumented |
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| 12:49.37 | joombafrog | still waiting on your 'first google hit' answer themill |
| 12:49.46 | joombafrog | i still havent found any useful info on that site |
| 12:50.14 | themill | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch6.html |
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| 12:52.20 | mesa_booger | joombafrog: have you tried #grownups ? |
| 12:52.37 | liable | that sounds like a very boring channel |
| 12:52.57 | inckie | how do i give a user perm access to /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
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| 12:53.13 | liable | why do you need to? |
| 12:53.25 | liable | is it a usb modem or something? |
| 12:53.37 | inckie | yep |
| 12:53.47 | mesa_booger | liable: yes but just hanging out there, he might pick up some tips |
| 12:53.50 | joombafrog | u tards still arent getting it |
| 12:54.03 | joombafrog | how can people be so dumb |
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| 12:54.16 | liable | stick the person in dialup, or it might be dip group, that will let them dial out on it |
| 12:54.18 | joombafrog | how about something like an .xml i can edit myself |
| 12:54.24 | joombafrog | stil waiting on an answer |
| 12:54.47 | joombafrog | themill the page you referenced still doesnt explain how to customize the damn menu |
| 12:54.50 | joombafrog | i want to make it look how i want |
| 12:55.03 | liable | with sequences? |
| 12:55.20 | inckie | liable it's used for sending SMSs via a shell script |
| 12:55.23 | liable | inckie: see above |
| 12:55.23 | inckie | they have to have perm access |
| 12:55.32 | joombafrog | i right click the debian menu it has sub entries applications |games |help |screen |window managers |
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| 12:55.51 | inckie | oh thx :P |
| 12:55.52 | joombafrog | application has sub entries accessability | data management | editors |
| 12:55.58 | joombafrog | it doesnt explain how to customize it |
| 12:56.03 | joombafrog | and you tards still dont quite grasp the concept |
| 12:56.21 | joombafrog | that site has poor documentation |
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| 12:56.22 | inckie | joombafrog then write something |
| 12:56.23 | Shadur | And insulting the people you're trying to get help from always works. |
| 12:56.29 | joombafrog | 'write something' |
| 12:56.31 | joombafrog | thats your answer? |
| 12:56.32 | joombafrog | rofl |
| 12:56.44 | inckie | the source code is open |
| 12:56.53 | mesa_booger | joombafrog: you'll have to excuse my learning difficulties, but i can't help my genetic heritage |
| 12:56.57 | joombafrog | my problem is tards like you people that stare at some textbook and actually think 'there's the documentation' |
| 12:57.00 | liable | wah wah wah, poor docs, im too dumb. the menu system is broken |
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| 12:57.04 | joombafrog | because you have never actually done anyhting in your whole life |
| 12:57.09 | joombafrog | youve never actually done anyhting with it |
| 12:57.16 | joombafrog | and you're so dumb to actually think that page documents it |
| 12:57.26 | joombafrog | my problem is with idiots that can be so dumb |
| 12:57.31 | inckie | calm down |
| 12:57.32 | xeon-enouf | joombafrog: we're accepting patches and clear and concise documentation, have at it |
| 12:57.42 | joombafrog | you lunix tards will never get it |
| 12:57.45 | joombafrog | you will enver change |
| 12:57.55 | inckie | linux? |
| 12:58.02 | Shadur | I hope so. |
| 12:58.08 | xeon-enouf | yes, but it beats being redmond chattle :-p |
| 12:58.28 | joombafrog | and all you can do is religiously defend your fail |
| 12:58.31 | purplepenguins | oh hey, there's a troll |
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| 12:58.36 | inckie | :D |
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| 12:58.51 | inckie | joombafrog stop, you are making an ass out of yourself |
| 12:58.57 | mesa_booger | it was a troll from beginning to end. a teenage loser with no friends is reduced to insulting anonymous people |
| 12:58.59 | Shadur | Whereas all you seem to be able to do is hurl insults in an attempt to compensate for your own ignorance. |
| 12:59.09 | joombafrog | im speaking the truth |
| 12:59.17 | joombafrog | 'a troll' because you cant hyandle it |
| 12:59.18 | inckie | im speaking binary |
| 12:59.21 | xeon-enouf | who was that idiot calling us the c* word? - haha, i just had to penixstrike that bozo ;-) |
| 12:59.30 | joombafrog | if i want to add an entry in applications > editors |
| 12:59.32 | joombafrog | how would i do that |
| 12:59.33 | joombafrog | you dont know |
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| 12:59.50 | joombafrog | 'oh the documentation works you're just too dumb ' |
| 12:59.51 | muedhiver | hi |
| 12:59.52 | EvilGuru | I've just got Squeeze w/KDE installed on my new thinkpad; however the trackpad does not have tap to click and there is no xorg.conf file |
| 12:59.53 | joombafrog | this is what im talking about |
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| 13:00.01 | joombafrog | you stare at it in a textbook and think you actually know something |
| 13:00.02 | xeon-enouf | where's atir? we've got a speed typing contest going :-P |
| 13:00.28 | joombafrog | because youve never actually done anyhting |
| 13:00.28 | joombafrog | then you'd realize you dont know how to do it |
| 13:00.28 | mesa_booger | joombafrog: i admit it. i don't know. but to compensate for that obvious failing on my part, i don't care enough either |
| 13:00.28 | Wyzard | joombafrog: Take a look at /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz and /usr/share/doc/menu/examples/* |
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| 13:00.32 | inckie | hahaha |
| 13:00.50 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: i think there's a bug in synaptics about that - checked BTS? |
| 13:00.51 | Shadur | joombafrog: Interestingly, the 'menufiles' manpage in the menu package explains pretty much exactly how to do it. |
| 13:00.58 | Wyzard | joombafrog: That seems to be some fairly extensive documentation of how the menu system works |
| 13:01.04 | Wyzard | joombafrog: And yes, it's technical |
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| 13:01.10 | EvilGuru | xeon-enouf: Well, I am more worried about the lack of an xorg.conf file |
| 13:01.10 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: or maybethat was you on OFTC yesterday? :-p |
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| 13:01.22 | Titan8990 | joombafrog, i agree with documentation often being poor but yelling at people on irc who are just other users here to help is NOT the right way to go about it |
| 13:01.26 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: well, .. /msg dpkg xorg.conf ? |
| 13:01.26 | gum2tux | may i know the CLI command to check what is my device name for USB memory drive (eg. /dev/xxx) ? |
| 13:01.47 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: it's been like that since lenny - but more HAL-ness is in squeeze+ |
| 13:01.55 | cantido | gum2tux: that info comes out in dmesg |
| 13:01.57 | joombafrog | Wyzard is the only person that posted anything helpful |
| 13:01.58 | Titan8990 | gum2tux, fdisk -l or dmesg | tail -50 |
| 13:02.05 | mesa_booger | Titan8990: actually, it depends who he shouts at ... |
| 13:02.12 | joombafrog | /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz actually explains it with an example of sub menus |
| 13:02.13 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: cat /proc/partitions also might help |
| 13:02.14 | cantido | gum2tux: you can also give the fs a lable and mount it using that.. |
| 13:02.14 | muedhiver | on a bluetooth PAN setup, when launching pand --listen -e bnep0 -c 00:0F:3D:48:E0:1F --role=NAP -n --persist |
| 13:02.22 | Shadur | gum2tux: I don't think there's a single command that'll get you exactly that, but between lsusb, dmesg and fdisk -l you should be able to find it. |
| 13:02.29 | joombafrog | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch6.html doesnt |
| 13:02.31 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: you could also write a udev rule for it |
| 13:02.32 | Titan8990 | mesa_booger, shouting is not an effective way of getting things done imo |
| 13:02.33 | EvilGuru | xeon-enouf: Hmm, okay, it is cleaner without it, but is there a new way to configure devices? |
| 13:02.36 | muedhiver | I got pand[3486]: Connect to 00:0F:3D:48:E0:1F failed. No route to host(113) <= is this some fw rules problem ? |
| 13:02.53 | joombafrog | i dont have a problem with technical |
| 13:02.59 | joombafrog | i just have a prob when crap is left out |
| 13:03.08 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: yes, but i don't know what that is :-) /msg dpkg hal , see last URL about hotplug |
| 13:03.12 | Wyzard | joombafrog: <tarzeau> joombafrog: debian also has stuff in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 13:03.21 | mesa_booger | Titan8990: it depends on your aims. it can do wonders in a gestalt sense |
| 13:03.22 | Titan8990 | joombafrog, just curious, whose docs are you reading? |
| 13:03.29 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: there's pkgs like policykit, consolekit, etc |
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| 13:03.44 | Wyzard | joombafrog: I saw that in my scrollback from 25 minutes ago and that's why I looked there |
| 13:03.46 | Titan8990 | joombafrog, debian or gnome's? |
| 13:03.59 | joombafrog | Titan i was reading the link i just posted at debian.org but it didnt explain it well |
| 13:04.00 | EvilGuru | I just can't keep up to date with desktop Linux any more; last week I read HAL was evil and that network manager was using udev |
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| 13:04.35 | purplepenguins | network manager is evil |
| 13:04.36 | purplepenguins | use wicd |
| 13:04.44 | mesa_booger | EvilGuru: well today, apt and xorg are broken in unstable. welcome to linux |
| 13:04.46 | liable | bah |
| 13:04.49 | Wyzard | EvilGuru: HAL is being replaced by devicekit |
| 13:04.56 | liable | purplepenguins: it works ok generally these days |
| 13:04.57 | cantido | EvilGuru: I don't think there will ever be a time when everything isn't in flux |
| 13:05.11 | cantido | mesa_booger: that's unstable you dounut |
| 13:05.25 | xeon-enouf | gum2tux: ls -l /dev/disk/* is also helpful - maybe even 'blkid' (as root) .. many presume your device is recognized by the kernel and given a /dev/ entry via udev - fdisk -l doesn't though (as far as 'mountability') |
| 13:05.26 | cantido | hence the name |
| 13:05.47 | mesa_booger | cantido: i don't need any help from you, thanks. but thanks for offering |
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| 13:06.02 | purplepenguins | debian stable means you don't have to keep up to date |
| 13:06.08 | xeon-enouf | Wyzard: anothe *kit? .. heh |
| 13:06.08 | mesa_booger | exactly |
| 13:06.18 | cantido | mesa_booger: well if you need help ask a question.. saying that stuff is borken in unstable is like saying bears shit in the woods |
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| 13:06.44 | xeon-enouf | cantido: no name calling please -- you too joombafrog |
| 13:06.54 | mesa_booger | cantido: i was *answering* not asking |
| 13:07.07 | xeon-enouf | and doe was a deer .. a female deer .. |
| 13:07.26 | purplepenguins | is there more than one *kit |
| 13:07.29 | xeon-enouf | now, dou? not sure whom that was |
| 13:07.40 | purplepenguins | i can only think of webkit which is something totally different |
| 13:07.44 | liable | rain, or a bucket full of snow! |
| 13:08.02 | joombafrog | xeon-enouf ingurgitate my brackish semen |
| 13:08.06 | joombafrog | kthx |
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| 13:08.12 | xeon-enouf | liable: beer a name i call myself, vodka..a long long way to drunk! |
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| 13:08.30 | liable | mmmm, beer! |
| 13:08.40 | liable | i believe i am drinking it now |
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| 13:09.02 | xeon-enouf | joombafrog: your impotence bores me |
| 13:09.24 | joombafrog | not potent enough for ya, sry i already spent myself this morning lolz |
| 13:09.27 | cantido | notes that liable is hardcore |
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| 13:09.55 | liable | i'll go ninja on your ass! |
| 13:10.06 | xeon-enouf | welcome to my bozo box, have fun with all the other clowns in there, ...and watch out for the smelly feet |
| 13:10.17 | joombafrog | honks xeon-enouf's nose |
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| 13:10.49 | cantido | 's grandmother-in-law has a ninja secret room.. full of ninjas |
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| 13:11.14 | joombafrog | smelly feet? what a podophile... |
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| 13:11.39 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! |
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| 13:12.04 | liable | joombafrog: is that someone that molests ipods? |
| 13:12.14 | remoteCTRL | i am infront of a ibm t60 and i cant get the built in microphone to work, can somebodz help me with that please? |
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| 13:12.35 | xeon-enouf | liable: heh |
| 13:12.44 | liable | remoteCTRL: have you turned it up in alsamixer? |
| 13:13.00 | remoteCTRL | liable only in the gnome mixer |
| 13:13.17 | joombafrog | the public school system hasn't done you any good i see liable... |
| 13:13.18 | remoteCTRL | liable: do i have to doublecheck that? sec pls |
| 13:13.22 | cantido | *you like that in there don't you, your dirty proprietary connector.. oooo* |
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| 13:13.58 | liable | remoteCTRL: just to be sure, double check alsamixer. you can never quite trust the desktop apps. |
| 13:14.00 | xeon-enouf | remoteCTRL: for the record, there's ##ibmthinkpad, and /msg dpkg laptop ; but might be simple as mute/unmute |
| 13:14.05 | jeeger | Greetings! I am installing a bristuffed asterisk from source, and my crc-ccitt module is missing. What do I need to install to get the module back? |
| 13:14.13 | remoteCTRL | liable yepp it is turned up fully, including half of the mic boost's bar |
| 13:14.18 | liable | the thinkpad channel blows |
| 13:14.26 | xeon-enouf | liable: nah |
| 13:14.34 | liable | yeah! |
| 13:14.44 | remoteCTRL | xeon-enouf: well at least i hope it is as simple as that |
| 13:14.49 | mesa_booger | remoteCTRL: and it is unmuted as well ? |
| 13:14.51 | xeon-enouf | remoteCTRL: howdo you know its not working? skype? |
| 13:14.58 | remoteCTRL | mesa_booger: sure! |
| 13:15.09 | xeon-enouf | webcam app? |
| 13:15.11 | remoteCTRL | audacity, krec and soundrecorder |
| 13:15.17 | xeon-enouf | uff |
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| 13:15.34 | remoteCTRL | xeon-enouf: why uff? |
| 13:15.59 | liable | he's a furry |
| 13:16.01 | cantido | remoteCTRL: I have a feeling someone has posted a blog page about this and it's only a google away.. |
| 13:16.11 | xeon-enouf | if krec == kernel recorder, no uff :-P |
| 13:16.59 | remoteCTRL | xeon-enouf: err... i believe itsmore of a kde rec |
| 13:17.05 | xeon-enouf | liable: thinkwiki.org is quite useful (or has been, to me in the past) |
| 13:17.25 | remoteCTRL | hm... |
| 13:17.35 | xeon-enouf | remoteCTRL: i know what it is .. sarcasm is not easy to convey., but mine was pretty clear |
| 13:17.54 | remoteCTRL | xeon-enouf: i am aware of that |
| 13:17.55 | liable | xeon-enouf: yes, i know |
| 13:18.19 | liable | xeon-enouf: the channel is generally unhelpfull though imo |
| 13:18.19 | jeeger | Argh, on the Debian lenny kernel configuration page, it says that CRC-CCITT is configured as a module. However, locate crc-ccit returns only header files and no .ko module. How can I get my modules back? |
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| 13:19.05 | xeon-enouf | liable: i guess you're mostly talking wifi issues, i've seen many powersaving and backlight issues resolved there |
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| 13:19.50 | xeon-enouf | $ modinfo crc- |
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| 13:19.51 | xeon-enouf | crc-ccitt crc-itu-t crc-t10dif |
| 13:19.52 | liable | xeon-enouf: every once in a while i idle there. i never had a question answered at all. though its been a long time now since i did. |
| 13:20.09 | jeeger | xeon-enouf: Was that for me? |
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| 13:20.40 | xeon-enouf | ~$ find /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel -name 'crc-ccitt*' |
| 13:20.41 | xeon-enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/lib/crc-ccitt.ko |
| 13:21.05 | jeeger | Nope, returns empty for me. |
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| 13:21.39 | xeon-enouf | liable: sure - that happens, just like ..saythe grub channel - over the last few months, it's been buzzing with activity and useful answers |
| 13:21.50 | liable | sure.. |
| 13:22.12 | xeon-enouf | jeeger: cat /proc/version |
| 13:22.16 | liable | runs |
| 13:22.18 | xeon-enouf | jeeger: use `uname -r` or just modinfo |
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| 13:22.33 | jeeger | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 13:22.39 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 13:27.20 | remoteCTRL | google's not my freind today:( |
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| 13:27.43 | echosystm | what does the laptop package include? |
| 13:27.46 | EvilGuru | Also, I have just set up my wireless card, an Intel 5300. It connects to my network fine. I can ping anything that isn't 192.168.0.x, what could be the problem? |
| 13:28.13 | EvilGuru | I suspect that it is not realising what to use as the gateway, but really have no idea |
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| 13:28.32 | jeeger | xeon-enouf: Okay, reinstalling the linux-image fixed it. |
| 13:28.45 | liable | echosystm: aptitude show laptop (its mostly just acpi shit) |
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| 13:29.16 | echosystm | does it have laptop mode tools etc. ? |
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| 13:29.50 | liable | did you do what i said? its shows the dependancies.. |
| 13:29.53 | LuCasn | how can i prevent the kernel from loading modules for my soundcard and an onboard mmc reader? |
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| 13:30.02 | echosystm | im not on debian at the moment liable... |
| 13:30.04 | LuCasn | i tried blacklisting them, but that didnt work |
| 13:30.27 | liable | echosystm: go visit packages.debian.org then |
| 13:30.37 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: you did it wrong then |
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| 13:30.44 | echosystm | ok |
| 13:30.55 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: are they modules? |
| 13:30.56 | liable | !blacklist-initramfs |
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| 13:30.57 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 13:31.23 | xeon-enouf | sound + mmc wouldn't be in the initrd, IINM |
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| 13:31.40 | xeon-enouf | unless the MMC was the boot device w/rootfs, i guess |
| 13:31.46 | LuCasn | yeah well, I didnt't update the initramfs |
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| 13:31.54 | LuCasn | but no, it is not the bootdevice |
| 13:32.03 | LuCasn | so it would make no sense to load them that early |
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| 13:32.24 | xeon-enouf | or., if it's USB related, that'll do it |
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| 13:32.33 | LuCasn | but I will try it anyways, wont hurt |
| 13:32.40 | LuCasn | (at least i hope so) |
| 13:34.02 | xeon-enouf | EvilGuru: 'route' should show you the default gw |
| 13:34.08 | LuCasn | the comment in the blacklist file says something about it does not work when the kernel loads the module, what does say tell me? |
| 13:34.32 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: one can always mnaully load the module |
| 13:34.42 | xeon-enouf | that includes the /etc/modules file |
| 13:34.50 | xeon-enouf | which the init scripts parse |
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| 13:35.08 | nachos | anyone here seasoned with ppp and ssh vpns? |
| 13:35.30 | LuCasn | ok, i ran mkinitramfs, still loading the modules |
| 13:35.37 | xeon-enouf | no |
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| 13:35.52 | LuCasn | maybe I went for the wrong approach |
| 13:36.05 | LuCasn | i blacklisted the most basic module in the dependency tree |
| 13:36.11 | xeon-enouf | and check /etc/initramfs-tools/modules - but i highly doubt that |
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| 13:36.23 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: try specifics |
| 13:36.30 | LuCasn | will do |
| 13:36.50 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: you're obviously doing something incorrect - devil is in the details |
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| 13:38.02 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: which modules? cat /proc/asound/modules ; lspci -k (if your Soundcard is PCI), then show us the relevant dmesg entries for your mmc, mmc-core, mmcblk etc |
| 13:38.54 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: actually grep your kernel config-`uname -r` as well, might be =y for what you are presuming is an external module |
| 13:39.41 | xeon-enouf | misses the bozette bimbo - /me feels like penixstriking the dimwit :-P |
| 13:39.46 | rvsjoen | anyone seen the fglrx module cry about unable to allocate memory when loading it ? it is on a 2.6.30 kernel with a x300 card |
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| 13:40.24 | LuCasn | cat: /proc/asound/modules: No such file or directory |
| 13:40.50 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: cat /proc/version, cat /etc/issue.net <--pastebin |
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| 13:41.22 | valdyn | rvsjoen: how much ram do you have? |
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| 13:42.00 | rvsjoen | valdyn: 3 gigs, with at least 1.5gigs free, so im suspecting a bug |
| 13:42.19 | valdyn | rvsjoen: fglrx could be talking about virtual memory space |
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| 13:42.41 | LuCasn | xeon-enouf: http://paste.debian.net/47808/ |
| 13:43.06 | rvsjoen | hm |
| 13:43.15 | LuCasn | i think i left my config in my other pants.. ehrm.. harddisk |
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| 13:43.22 | valdyn | rvsjoen: try a fresh reboot and load it then? |
| 13:43.32 | xeon-enouf | LuCasn: that's not debian - sorry - we can't help (looks familiar though) |
| 13:43.43 | LuCasn | actually it is |
| 13:43.55 | LuCasn | but i built the debian kernel from sources |
| 13:43.57 | xeon-enouf | actually, it isn't |
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| 13:44.13 | LuCasn | hm, that is strange, I thought so |
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| 13:44.29 | xeon-enouf | that's ok - but again, how are we supposed to know what you did wrong? :-) |
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| 13:44.48 | SaTaNucT | hi girls i am Russian man |
| 13:44.55 | rvsjoen | valdyn: I did, several times :/ |
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| 13:45.36 | SaTaNucT | Girls please speake with me |
| 13:46.08 | simonrvn | SaTaNucT: this is not a chat channel. do you have a debian question? |
| 13:46.29 | rvsjoen | i'll try to compile the ati driver from source |
| 13:46.51 | LuCasn | xeon-enouf: how does one see that that is not a kernel built from debian sources from uname? |
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| 13:47.09 | Hobbes` | debbie and anne are hawt chix0rs SaTaNucT .. we are here to worship them |
| 13:47.24 | LuCasn | dpkg is pretty hot, too |
| 13:47.24 | dpkg | LuCasn: wish i knew |
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| 13:47.46 | LuCasn | plus she is a quick typer |
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| 13:48.32 | rvsjoen | LuCasn: you can't tell, you can suspect, a custom compiled kernel can still use the same modversion and revision as a debian compiled one |
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| 13:49.42 | SaTaNucT | Prompt me please where I must become acquainted with the American girl |
| 13:49.47 | LuCasn | now i remember, i used the stock debian config i think |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | SaTaNucT: this is not a social channel, go somewhere else |
| 13:50.52 | CodeNinja | wait wheres #bearsforrussia |
| 13:50.53 | CodeNinja | :P |
| 13:51.25 | Hobbes` | resists urge to check that channel |
| 13:51.32 | CodeNinja | hahah |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | send Calvin? |
| 13:51.53 | Hobbes` | he's more into tigers :) |
| 13:52.02 | CodeNinja | lol |
| 13:52.18 | SaTaNucT | Well thank you wait nuclear rockets :) |
| 13:52.58 | simonrvn | empty threats are pointless. |
| 13:53.25 | CodeNinja | was that even a comprehend-able threat? |
| 13:53.30 | LuCasn | i am running debian on a totally stripped laptop without display. are there any power optimizations possible other than undervolting? I'd like to keep that thing running 24/7 |
| 13:53.32 | liable | fills out some threat forms |
| 13:53.44 | simonrvn | CodeNinja: not really ;) |
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| 13:54.04 | CodeNinja | LuCasn: if your laptop support frequency scaling and such you can use powernowd, cpufreqd etc |
| 13:54.11 | LuCasn | yeah, did that |
| 13:54.28 | liable | or better, just auto scaling modules |
| 13:54.50 | CodeNinja | fills out a liable threat form No. 88531C 'Threat for Zombies' |
| 13:54.55 | mikeX | hello, I'm on debian sid, and I was wondering where exactly does X get it's keyboard options now, I have commented out any entries in xorg.conf, but all of my layout settings etc are still active (not running any DE either) |
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| 13:55.38 | LuCasn | I installed powertop to see what makes the processor wake up, but the main thing is timer interrups and I don't really know who is using them |
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| 13:55.48 | liable | CodeNinja: nope, wrong one. you need #314159 (threat of ninja attack) |
| 13:55.52 | SaTaNucT | You bothered dull and underdeveloped amerikanci I will enter vpartiyu will become a president and to you pezdec |
| 13:56.04 | CodeNinja | liable: but I'm not being threatened by a zombie |
| 13:56.06 | SaTaNucT | abrotman,Ā You bothered dull and underdeveloped amerikanci I will enter vpartiyu will become a president and to you pezdec |
| 13:56.12 | CodeNinja | I'm threatening a zombie |
| 13:56.15 | liable | gets the shotgun |
| 13:56.20 | SaTaNucT | simonrvn,Ā You bothered dull and underdeveloped amerikanci I will enter vpartiyu will become a president and to you pezdec |
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| 13:56.27 | CodeNinja | .... |
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| 13:56.42 | CodeNinja | not only did he say it once and screw it up, HE SAID IT TWICE! |
| 13:56.45 | simonrvn | right. *yawn* |
| 13:56.45 | CodeNinja | coughs |
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| 13:57.02 | LuCasn | saying it twice makes it more true |
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| 13:57.06 | frediz | hi did anybody encounter this one "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 13:57.09 | frediz | ? |
| 13:57.26 | CodeNinja | frediz: add yourself to the fuse group |
| 13:57.27 | valdyn | frediz: now what could that possibly mean |
| 13:57.31 | liable | frediz: how about you stick the user in fuse group? |
| 13:57.41 | liable | !lose me |
| 13:57.41 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 13:57.45 | CodeNinja | just nano /etc/group :) |
| 13:57.45 | valdyn | !spoonfeed frediz |
| 13:57.45 | dpkg | Silly frediz, Unix tricks are for bots. |
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| 13:58.01 | valdyn | wth |
| 13:58.08 | frediz | I'm already in fuse group |
| 13:58.13 | frediz | as root... |
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| 13:58.17 | liable | did you log out? |
| 13:58.20 | frediz | yep |
| 13:58.21 | liable | huh? |
| 13:58.23 | frediz | rebooted too |
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| 13:58.27 | simonrvn | um |
| 13:58.31 | frediz | and relogged in |
| 13:58.33 | frediz | lenny |
| 13:58.33 | \amethyst | frediz: so it said "Permission denied" when you were root? |
| 13:58.37 | frediz | yes |
| 13:58.41 | abrotman | less enter key |
| 13:58.41 | simonrvn | root doesn't need to be in that group |
| 13:58.41 | CodeNinja | ... |
| 13:58.46 | frediz | sure |
| 13:58.49 | CodeNinja | root doesn't have fuse right? |
| 13:58.50 | frediz | but I made sure.. |
| 13:58.52 | liable | less elipses too! |
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| 13:59.09 | liable | or dots, for abrotman.. |
| 13:59.12 | frediz | frediz:/tmp# ls -l /dev/fuse |
| 13:59.14 | frediz | crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Sep 30 12:37 /dev/fuse |
| 13:59.16 | frediz | frediz:/tmp# id |
| 13:59.18 | frediz | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),109(fuse) |
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| 13:59.36 | valdyn | oh noes, you are using selinux or somesuch? |
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| 14:00.00 | CodeNinja | selinux :( |
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| 14:00.04 | \amethyst | frediz: mount | grep 'on /dev' doesn't list it as having the nodev option does it? |
| 14:00.06 | liable | or noexec in /tmp? |
| 14:00.10 | liable | err |
| 14:00.15 | xeon-enouf | frediz: root is in all groups :-P |
| 14:00.17 | liable | why did i say that? |
| 14:00.21 | CodeNinja | last bout I had with selinux..... ended up doing a whole reinstall |
| 14:00.25 | CodeNinja | liable: lol :P |
| 14:00.33 | xeon-enouf | dmesg | grep -i selinux |
| 14:00.41 | frediz | valdyn: good idea... |
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| 14:00.56 | Anti-T | yop |
| 14:01.00 | frediz | frediz:/tmp# mount | grep 'on /dev' |
| 14:01.02 | frediz | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime) |
| 14:01.04 | frediz | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec) |
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| 14:01.08 | xeon-enouf | liable: BTW, i found there's ACL usage on all hardware-specific devices present in /dev/ (this is sid) :-( |
| 14:01.10 | Anti-T | c quoi encore la manip pour downgrade un pkg ? |
| 14:01.15 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:01.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:01.46 | frediz | nothing in dmesg about selinux |
| 14:01.51 | rhys | What is a something that provides /usr/bin/mail and hooks up to a external smtp server? |
| 14:01.51 | \amethyst | frediz: wait, do /dev itself isn't mounted? |
| 14:02.13 | \amethyst | frediz: what about your root filesystem? mount | grep 'on / ' |
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| 14:02.28 | \amethyst | s/do \/dev/so \/dev/ |
| 14:02.43 | frediz | \amethyst: well it's on / |
| 14:02.44 | liable | xeon-enouf: ugh, dont talk to me about that. my brain cant even deal with screen acl stuff :P |
| 14:02.54 | CodeNinja | rhys: that didn't make much sense, care to explain? |
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| 14:03.20 | \amethyst | frediz: is / mounted nodev by any chance? |
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| 14:03.28 | liable | xeon-enouf: though, thats actually would have been perfect for the dude the other day not wanting his modem devices mmc device loaded! |
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| 14:04.18 | rhys | CodeNinja, the system sends all sorts of things. cron, unattended-upgrades, etc. they usually try to use /usr/bin/mail to send mail, which things like mailx provide. mailx uses local sendmail though |
| 14:04.20 | frediz | \amethyst: simfs on / type simfs (rw,relatime) |
| 14:04.22 | xeon-enouf | liable: hrm.. interesting ... |
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| 14:04.50 | CodeNinja | rhys: right, oh from one system to a mailserver right? |
| 14:05.11 | \amethyst | frediz: oh |
| 14:05.12 | rhys | CodeNinja, exactly. |
| 14:05.15 | \amethyst | frediz: you're using OpenVZ? |
| 14:05.17 | CodeNinja | so far I know msmtp does that rhys |
| 14:05.29 | CodeNinja | it doesn't use 'mail' |
| 14:05.41 | sphenxes01 | VirtualBox nic Nat should be in the range 192.168.2... . how can I do it: 192.168.2/16 or ?? |
| 14:05.46 | frediz | \amethyst: well yes I guess the guy giving me that host does |
| 14:06.03 | rhys | CodeNinja, o. it has to use mail for the sendmail compatibiltiy with nearly every utility |
| 14:06.04 | \amethyst | frediz: hm... that could be the reason |
| 14:06.21 | CodeNinja | rhys: msmtp can replace sendmail |
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| 14:06.27 | xeon-enouf | liable: cd dev/ ; for i in $(find .) ; do chacl -l "$i" | grep ',m'; done > ~/ACLshit-dev 2>/dev/null (then pastebin that file's output) |
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| 14:06.36 | valdyn | sphenxes01: the 16 counts the masked bits from the left to right |
| 14:06.43 | xeon-enouf | er contents |
| 14:06.44 | \amethyst | frediz: the container needs to be granted permissions to /dev/fuse |
| 14:07.00 | \amethyst | frediz: which the admin will have to do |
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| 14:07.08 | rhys | ahh. CodeNinja mailx+sneakyNotSendmail. |
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| 14:07.10 | xeon-enouf | (feel free to correct that you bash gurus :-P) |
| 14:07.12 | \amethyst | frediz: http://wiki.openvz.org/FUSE |
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| 14:07.15 | frediz | \amethyst: oh... ok. I'll ask him then |
| 14:07.20 | frediz | \amethyst: great! |
| 14:07.46 | frediz | \amethyst: many many thx :) |
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| 14:08.24 | cafaro | xeon-enouf: how would one load linux in vesa mode using grub? I can't find it at http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 14:08.41 | rvsjoen | vga=ask ? |
| 14:08.49 | xeon-enouf | http://www.sput.nl/software/cidr-routing.html sphenxes01 |
| 14:08.55 | xeon-enouf | should help a tad |
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| 14:09.10 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: vga= |
| 14:09.30 | xeon-enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 14:09.30 | dpkg | i heard fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 14:09.34 | xeon-enouf | cafaro: ^^^^ |
| 14:10.03 | yucatan1 | when i hit sh VMware-Player-2.5.2-156735.i386.bundle i see extracting vmware installer and that its.... there should folow a installer right but its not coming why is that ? |
| 14:10.54 | CodeNinja | yucatan1: vbox :) |
| 14:11.07 | xeon-enouf | ahh it's the <cidr> factoid .. and i waslooking for '*mask*' ones |
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| 14:11.26 | yucatan1 | vbox? |
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| 14:11.54 | cafaro | ok :) |
| 14:12.00 | g0rd0n | how can i check, via command line, if two given files are identical? (i.e. identical content)? |
| 14:12.12 | g0rd0n | i just want to know if they are identical or not |
| 14:12.15 | simonrvn | diff works well |
| 14:12.16 | liable | xeon-enouf: i'm not falling for that trick! |
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| 14:12.48 | yucatan1 | soembody ? |
| 14:12.59 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: haha right :) |
| 14:13.19 | simonrvn | yucatan1: ask #vmware |
| 14:13.55 | yucatan1 | already did |
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| 14:14.09 | yucatan1 | they sad that i need to be here |
| 14:14.23 | yucatan1 | my questions is just why i cannot install a .bundle |
| 14:15.18 | CodeNinja | notes the fbcon resolution for the next time it upgrades the kernel |
| 14:15.44 | \amethyst | yucatan1: because you're not running OS X? |
| 14:16.16 | yucatan1 | ... |
| 14:16.22 | yucatan1 | i'm running debian |
| 14:16.25 | yucatan1 | not running OSx... |
| 14:16.53 | \amethyst | yucatan1: where did you get this .bundle file from? |
| 14:17.00 | yucatan1 | i downloaded |
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| 14:17.06 | yucatan1 | but i just reinstalled my debian machine |
| 14:17.11 | \amethyst | yucatan1: from where? |
| 14:17.16 | yucatan1 | before the reinstall it worked |
| 14:17.18 | yucatan1 | vmware website |
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| 14:17.53 | yucatan1 | i need to i'll be back |
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| 14:19.01 | g0rd0n | simonrvn: hmm how would i incorporate that into a script? i tried if [ diff "$TEMP_PATH" "$OUTPUT_PATH" ]; then bash doesnt like that... |
| 14:19.36 | jeeger | g0rd0n: You could simply use 'if diff "$F1" "$F2";then....', since diff returns 1 if the files differ |
| 14:19.54 | g0rd0n | oh, without those stupid brackets |
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| 14:20.27 | xeon-enouf | liable: allow me then ; http://paste.debian.net/47815/download/47815 |
| 14:20.39 | mesa_booger | or if [[ -n $(diff "$TEMP_PATH" "$OUTPUT_PATH") ]] |
| 14:20.49 | simonrvn | gah, bashism! |
| 14:21.12 | jeeger | simonrvn: How is that bad? |
| 14:21.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 14:21.21 | simonrvn | no, mesa_booger's |
| 14:21.22 | liable | lifts the eye patch to check that link more carefully |
| 14:21.23 | xeon-enouf | hrm, my HDD isn't listed there (/dev/hda) |
| 14:21.45 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: what does getfacl $(cat ~/ACLshitlist) day? |
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| 14:22.02 | jeeger | simonrvn: Yeah, I meant that. Why are bashims not wanted in normal scripts? |
| 14:22.22 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: a whole bunch of stuff ;-) |
| 14:22.41 | \amethyst | jeeger: because /bin/sh won't be bash by default in squeese |
| 14:22.45 | simonrvn | jeeger: oh, i just have a personal thing to make my sh scripts portable |
| 14:22.51 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: I'm wondering what ACLs are there |
| 14:22.54 | simonrvn | that too |
| 14:23.07 | simonrvn | my /bin/sh is symlinked to dash |
| 14:23.11 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: I don't mind looking at a big pastebin |
| 14:23.30 | jeeger | \amethyst: Ah, that's a reason. But if you're writing personal scripts? |
| 14:23.40 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: oh ok - one momet - here's an abridged version http://paste.debian.net/47816/download/47816 |
| 14:23.45 | g0rd0n | mesa_booger: yay! |
| 14:24.05 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: my initial pastebin, i excluded the symlinks |
| 14:24.43 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: odd |
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| 14:26.09 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: other than the presence of a mask, those are just base ACLs |
| 14:26.20 | simonrvn | BTW, mesa_booger's thing will work too, just remove the extra [] |
| 14:27.00 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: actually, you're command output is odd, something's weird, whether i cd /dev/ prior or cd ~ ; i get all saying No such file or Directory - but this is a PATH +bash+find issue, not a ACL one |
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| 14:27.06 | xeon-enouf | s/you're/your |
| 14:27.42 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: why would it need/want/use ANY ACL at all? |
| 14:28.33 | mesa_booger | a lot of scripts have if [ "x$VAR" != "x" ] to test a VAR for non-emptiness |
| 14:29.03 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: what you initially asked for; http://paste.debian.net/47818/download/47818 |
| 14:29.05 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: well, if you wanted to grant two different groups access to the device, it would make sense |
| 14:29.16 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: that's whilst within /dev/ |
| 14:29.20 | mesa_booger | or even "x${VAR}" |
| 14:29.41 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: e.g. 'audio' and 'cdrom' for a cdrom device might make sense |
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| 14:30.03 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: it never needed that before, in all of Unix eternity? .. or even since udev has been alive? |
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| 14:31.20 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: I haven't upgraded in a while so I've not seen the new udev and don't know the rationale... could be to allow the admin to grant additional groups |
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| 14:31.42 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: i don't like seeing + appended to my permissions :-) .. but thing is though, i never heard a peep about this change - i stumbled across it accidentally while helping another |
| 14:31.50 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: ah, consolekit |
| 14:31.57 | xeon-enouf | aha! |
| 14:32.07 | xeon-enouf | !nuke consolekit |
| 14:32.07 | dpkg | fires a 20 ton thermonuclear weapon at consolekit |
| 14:32.11 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: in the changelog for 146-1 + Applies ACLs on /dev nodes if ConsoleKit is active. |
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| 14:32.33 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: it is, and i have to pkill it after X loads :-/ |
| 14:33.01 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: so that is so that consolekit can grant console users access to those devices without having to change the ownership/group of the devices, and without putting the users in all those groups (audio, cdrom, etc) |
| 14:33.13 | xeon-enouf | some fool moved the rc2.d/S99 symlink down to like rc2.d/S02 :-( |
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| 14:34.37 | xeon-enouf | so my sudo pkill console-* in /etc/rc.local no longer is effective - and as soon as X loads, i have 65 separate PIDs for {console-kit-dae}, all children of 1 PPID hanging off init :-/ |
| 14:34.51 | ces200 | how can i setup locale ? dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 14:34.54 | ces200 | !locale |
| 14:34.54 | dpkg | locale is, like, set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 14:36.46 | Sirgado | Wine version in Debian Testing (1.0.1) is very old, more than a year (Wine 1.1.30 has been just released)... why testing has a such old wine version? is there any trouble? |
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| 14:36.47 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: what's wrong with putting users into groups? i don't get how there's a distinction between X and Console, in that regard - nor why there needs to be - but i suspect this shit is deeply embedded in how X + HAL (devicekit, policykit whatever) are supposedly changing the way of interoperability |
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| 14:37.37 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: "console" includes X here |
| 14:37.43 | xeon-enouf | ... |
| 14:37.49 | xeon-enouf | runs away screaming |
| 14:37.59 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: the idea is that if someone is sitting at the machine (as opposed to logging in with ssh) they should have extra access to some of the hardware |
| 14:38.12 | themill | Sirgado: now that wine has declared a "stable" branch, the plan is to stick to that for the "wine" packages. There's also a "wine-unstable" package to that tracks development more closely. |
| 14:38.17 | xeon-enouf | i know consolekit is X related ..why call it console*!!!! |
| 14:38.49 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: interesting, i thought that's what serial console/terminals were for :-P |
| 14:38.53 | kuro_neko | my system locale is set to en_US.UTF-8, but I would like to change some particular settings of it. I'm trying to change values but it's not working. I do export LC_TIME="ja_JP.UTF-8" but then execute locale and settings remain the same :s What am I missing here? |
| 14:38.54 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: but that access shouldn't be part of their user's standard permissions, so if the user is infected by a non-interactive worm it won't have access to the hardware |
| 14:39.14 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: probably a serial terminal wouldn't count as a "console" either by default |
| 14:39.25 | Sirgado | themill: there's no wine-unstable package in testing... is it only available for Sid? |
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| 14:39.40 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: that is probably configurable; I haven't played with consolekit much myself |
| 14:39.54 | themill | Sirgado: yes. It makes no sense to release something like wine-unstable so it has no place in "testing". |
| 14:40.21 | xeon-enouf | \amethyst: thank you for your explanations, help, support, and overall interest -- i too need to look into this much further |
| 14:40.39 | sphenxes01 | I have a connection to the internet using vbox (Debian guest/debian h0st) using nat. It works fine (10.0.2.15/gw 10.0.2.2). now I have changed my vbox nat address to (guest:192.168.2/24/gw 192.168.2.2. host 192.168.2.40/gw 192.168.2.1). Now i can't ping www.google.com. any suggestions please? |
| 14:41.05 | hipodilski | anybody familiar with Amazon EC2? |
| 14:41.08 | sphenxes01 | gw=gateway |
| 14:41.11 | \amethyst | xeon-enouf: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/ but FDO is being slow right now |
| 14:41.17 | hipodilski | I wonder if I can run a debian system like I do on a normal system? |
| 14:41.27 | hipodilski | with custom compiled stuff etc.? |
| 14:41.29 | xeon-enouf | aye - gracias |
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| 14:41.40 | Sirgado | themill: I don't get the point of having a one year-old version when it seems to be stable (they have changed they from 1.0.x to 1.1.x) |
| 14:41.52 | hipodilski | is there difference if you use it instead on a normal pc? |
| 14:41.56 | Sirgado | I'll try to instal from Sid repositories, thank for the info ;-) |
| 14:41.59 | xeon-enouf | needs to go afk ... bbl |
| 14:42.39 | ma3x | how can i set alsa to output the sound per card1 instead of card1? is there a config file or something? |
| 14:42.56 | liable | suspects he is off to prime the moonshine still |
| 14:42.57 | themill | Sirgado: the wine developers have stated that 1.0.x is a stable branch (i.e. there should not be regressions) and 1.1.x is a development branch (i.e. there could be regressions). So just as for any other project with declared "stable" and "devel" branches, debian is tracking the stable branch. |
| 14:43.04 | ranix | hipodilski: "Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2) is a web service that provides resizable compute capacity in the cloud. It is designed to make web-scale computing easier for developers. |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | ma3x: uh what? |
| 14:43.11 | valdyn | hipodilski: how is that debian - related? |
| 14:43.36 | ranix | hipodilski: that sentence, translated, says "don't touch this service with a ten-foot-pole. Stay away from it. It is a giant pile of bullshit |
| 14:43.40 | hipodilski | valdyn: well it's not exactly related however I thought somebody might have tried that? |
| 14:43.43 | ranix | I'm glad to have helped you |
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| 14:44.18 | liable | abrotman: helping ma3x leads to the road of insanity |
| 14:44.22 | hipodilski | ranix: well that's exactly what I think as well however the company CEO for which I do work currently things we could migrate stuff from one of the servers to this service |
| 14:44.36 | ranix | hipodilski: tell him exactly what I just told you and you will have no problems |
| 14:44.37 | abrotman | liable: i didn't say i was going to help him, just get him to clarify :) |
| 14:44.38 | j_14 | hipodilski: have you checked out linode.com? they offfer debian. |
| 14:45.00 | Sirgado | themill: ok, thanks for the info, I think now I understand it |
| 14:45.08 | liable | abrotman: you've been warned! ;) |
| 14:45.23 | nachos | im coming accross a weierd problem |
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| 14:45.39 | liable | i coming across as a weird person |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | no? |
| 14:46.17 | liable | undoubtably |
| 14:46.22 | nachos | what is ssh's behavior when a command to execute is specified |
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| 14:46.46 | hipodilski | j_14: that's interesting but it's different from amazon |
| 14:46.53 | hipodilski | amazon sounds more robust |
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| 14:46.58 | nachos | ive got a ppp over ssh tunnel going, but if i start my ssh client with out a - at the end it doesnt work ( there is no connectivity ) |
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| 14:47.54 | ma3x | instead of card0 i meant |
| 14:47.55 | j_14 | hipodilski: they offer root acces to a debian instance, which should be very much like managing a real machine |
| 14:48.39 | abrotman | maybe he should be asking them instead of us? |
| 14:49.34 | ranix | lol he said robust |
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| 14:50.03 | ranix | hipodilski: if you think you can do work on a "robust, cloud-based applications platform" then you need more help than we can give you buddy |
| 14:50.31 | hipodilski | ranix: I'm not familiar with that pile of shit I personally think it's a pile of shit |
| 14:51.00 | hipodilski | however I should reassure that what I think reflects the reality |
| 14:51.08 | ranix | you are 100% correct |
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| 14:51.48 | ohhh_my_puppy | hello |
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| 14:52.00 | ohhh_my_puppy | i want more partitions in my hard drive |
| 14:52.16 | ohhh_my_puppy | its alloed me onley 4 |
| 14:52.44 | valdyn | ohhh_my_puppy: if you want more than 4 then one partition to store 5-x needs to be an extended partition |
| 14:53.11 | Orbixx | In /boot - are the bitmaps necessary in order for lilo to work? |
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| 14:53.19 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:53.32 | Orbixx | So if I simply rm them, my system will still boot? |
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| 14:55.38 | hipodilski | j_14: yes much a like, nevertheless it doesn't mean all would be running smoothly like on a normal debian install? |
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| 14:56.52 | peleg | Hello. Do you know of a software (better then openoffice) to print a weekly schedule? Or maybe a library to extract the relevant info from sunbird / evolution and print it nicely as a PDF or something similar? |
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| 14:57.14 | simonrvn | Orbixx: yes... they're just pix |
| 14:58.10 | abrotman | peleg: you can print it right from sunbird IIRC |
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| 14:59.38 | peleg | abrotman, really really ugly... Not as a nice layouted weekly planner |
| 14:59.42 | j_14 | hipodilski: from what I've read you get a regular domU, so it should be like managing any other remote machine |
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| 14:59.51 | valdyn | peleg: can evolution or sunbird output that data in csv format or somesuch? |
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| 15:00.25 | abrotman | peleg: uhm .. (crap i broke lightning .. hold on) |
| 15:00.33 | peleg | valdyn, I don't mind, since I will write it in the first place in csv or so if that will help to generate a nice weekly/monthly planner of so |
| 15:01.00 | valdyn | peleg: i dont know what exactly you want |
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| 15:01.08 | ranix | I use a php-based calendar app I found on sourceforge for things like that |
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| 15:01.25 | peleg | valdyn, that is, I am looking for something that will generate nice layouted schedules from raw data |
| 15:01.28 | ranix | we track the locations of our sales representatives on this by inputting the dates of their installs and demonstrations on the list |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | peleg: i have to fix mine |
| 15:01.49 | peleg | ranix, sounds interesting. Can you show me an example output? |
| 15:02.16 | ohhh_my_puppy | how to make extended partition ' |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | ohhh_my_puppy: for which distro ? |
| 15:04.09 | abrotman | peleg: lightning (development version) seems to work okay to print those .. |
| 15:04.37 | ohhh_my_puppy | puppylinux |
| 15:04.39 | ohhh_my_puppy | :P |
| 15:04.44 | peleg | abrotman, I see. I shall download one and try, then. thanks |
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| 15:04.56 | fastputty | fastputty |
| 15:04.57 | abrotman | peleg: though it hink it only works with TB3 betas |
| 15:04.59 | fastputty | oops |
| 15:05.06 | fastputty | is there a way to limit a process to not run over 30% of cpu ? |
| 15:05.12 | abrotman | ohhh_my_puppy: go ask them, this channel isn't for supporting puppylinux |
| 15:05.21 | valdyn | peleg: latex has a calendar package |
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| 15:05.25 | peleg | abrotman, TB? |
| 15:05.27 | ohhh_my_puppy | :P |
| 15:05.32 | abrotman | peleg: ThunderBird |
| 15:05.36 | peleg | valdyn, oh, that's intersting as well! |
| 15:05.45 | abrotman | peleg: Lightning is the TB add-on for doing calendaring |
| 15:05.46 | peleg | abrotman, oh, I thougt ThunderBird is only for emails |
| 15:05.50 | fastputty | is there a way to limit a process to not run over 30% of cpu ? |
| 15:05.56 | ohhh_my_puppy | tel me on ubuntu |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | peleg: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ |
| 15:06.13 | abrotman | ohhh_my_puppy: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 15:06.40 | peleg | abrotman, do they plan to merge sunbird and lightning? |
| 15:06.44 | ohhh_my_puppy | okay okay i got it what do u wanna tell me |
| 15:06.50 | abrotman | peleg: i think they use the same backend |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | ohhh_my_puppy: go away, please |
| 15:07.12 | abrotman | peleg: you'll have to do some research about it if you're really that interested |
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| 15:07.46 | ohhh_my_puppy | ok can i do any certification in debian |
| 15:07.52 | ohhh_my_puppy | like RHCE |
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| 15:08.14 | Titan8990 | there is LPI which is a generalized cert |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | ask the people that are certifying you .. Debian does not directly provide any certification |
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| 15:08.35 | peleg | abrotman, I am doing that research at the moment :) thanks |
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| 15:09.02 | valdyn | peleg: http://tug.ctan.org/get/macros/latex/contrib/schedule/example.pdf |
| 15:09.09 | valdyn | peleg: but theres a ton of alternatives |
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| 15:11.09 | peleg | valdyn, very nice; so I'll be able to write something that extracts raw data and produces a latex file that will be generated to be that PDF. nice. thanks |
| 15:11.31 | liable | i think you should change your name to pegleg! |
| 15:11.37 | liable | arr! |
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| 15:13.10 | simonrvn | /nick liable2getin2trubl |
| 15:13.24 | liable | hehe |
| 15:13.39 | liable | i swear someone has put something in my water recently |
| 15:13.49 | simonrvn | *g* |
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| 15:14.37 | mazpe | i'm having a bit of trouble connecting this machine to the network |
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| 15:14.51 | mazpe | all configs seem to be right at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:14.58 | mazpe | i cant even ping the gateway |
| 15:15.29 | mazpe | netstat -rn looks ok too. |
| 15:16.21 | blouf | hey guys anyone know how to disable a keyboard shortcut in gnome terminal ? i can change it but not disabling it |
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| 15:17.22 | liable | blouf: look really hard at the options, its surely possible |
| 15:17.42 | cahoot | blouf: possibly in gconf-editor |
| 15:17.45 | blouf | hell i'm looking for for about 3hours |
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| 15:18.14 | liable | blouf: sleep on it. it will come to you tomorrow |
| 15:18.53 | mazpe | this is what my config looks like: |
| 15:18.56 | mazpe | http://nopaste.com/p/ah7Ircr4V |
| 15:19.05 | mazpe | anyone seens anything out of wack |
| 15:19.22 | liable | what does 'route' say? |
| 15:19.28 | blouf | hĆĀ©hĆĀ© that's ok it was in gconf |
| 15:19.31 | blouf | thx dude |
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| 15:20.15 | ma3x | why /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart doesn't have any effect? it doesn't restart alsa |
| 15:20.22 | liable | nevermind, that interfaces file scared me enough |
| 15:20.58 | alexp__ | I've got a hand-built freeradius package on my machine, to enable OpenSSL support. "apt-cache policy freeradius" says that it prefers my installed version over the (same version number) package from the Debian repository, but "aptitude safe-upgrade" tries to replace it - see http://paste.debian.net/47828/ . Any idea why this is and what I can do to avoid replacing my SSL-enabled freeradius with the same-versioned package without SSL support? |
| 15:20.59 | cahoot | ma3x: you probably want alsa force-reload |
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| 15:21.13 | mazpe | liable: isnt route the same thing netstat -rn? |
| 15:21.37 | ma3x | thanks cahoot |
| 15:22.07 | blouf | no it wasn't on gconf |
| 15:22.12 | liable | mazpe: it apperas so. |
| 15:22.38 | liable | not exactly though |
| 15:22.41 | abrotman | alexp__: you sohuld have changed the version with something like a +iwantthisone |
| 15:22.53 | ranix | peleg: this is the kind of thing I was talking about http://ranix.homelinux.net:8080/calendar.png |
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| 15:22.55 | mazpe | here its updated with route |
| 15:22.56 | mazpe | http://nopaste.com/p/ayYdkj4jK |
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| 15:23.29 | mazpe | is there a firewall that its enable with debian? |
| 15:23.43 | ranix | peleg: you enter a list of events in a multi-line entry page and it sticks 'em here to look at |
| 15:23.58 | alexp__ | abrotman: But if the version of my installed package, and the version of the repo package, are the same then why is it trying to install the repo version? |
| 15:24.06 | ranix | peleg: I had to hack in "login" and "logout" buttons because where our reps are is sensitive info, but aside from that it was ready to go |
| 15:24.13 | abrotman | alexp__: probably a preferences thing ... |
| 15:24.13 | PerfDave | waves at abrotman |
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| 15:24.30 | jelly | alexp__: if you have different packages with seemingly same version, apt tries to use the repo one |
| 15:24.39 | alexp__ | abrotman: I don't have an /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 15:24.51 | jelly | alexp__: change the version of the locally installed package a bit |
| 15:24.56 | peleg | ranix, thanks, this is nice. I am deep into my latex research now, but I'll be back to this. |
| 15:25.02 | ranix | k |
| 15:25.05 | alexp__ | jelly: Doesn't that mean that it'll always try to replace every package on a safe-upgrade? |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | hi PerfDave |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | alexp__: apt-cache policy foopkg |
| 15:25.31 | alexp__ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/47828/ |
| 15:25.33 | jelly | alexp__: indeed it will |
| 15:25.37 | mazpe | are there any other configs in debian that i'm missing? http://nopaste.com/p/ayYdkj4jK |
| 15:25.51 | mazpe | to connect to the network |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | one is 500, one is 100 |
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| 15:26.00 | blouf | no listen |
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| 15:26.09 | blouf | I NEED to del this fckin shortcut |
| 15:26.10 | jelly | alexp__: that's why when you rebuild foo 1.4-1, you add a changelog entry with version eg. 1.4-1+alex.1 |
| 15:26.12 | alexp__ | jelly: But it doesn't try to replace every package on a safe-upgrade, so it can't want to replace same-versioned packages with the repo version all the time. |
| 15:26.33 | ranix | peleg: it's called PHP-Calendar by Sean Proctor |
| 15:26.33 | jelly | alexp__: it does that when that packages aren't really same |
| 15:26.43 | alexp__ | jelly: How does it detect whether packages are the same or not? |
| 15:26.51 | jelly | alexp__: I don't really know what is being compared |
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| 15:26.59 | peleg | ranix, thanks |
| 15:27.11 | jelly | alexp__: just telling what I observed when using locally built packages |
| 15:27.24 | ranix | http://www.php-calendar.com/php-calendar/ |
| 15:27.25 | stew | alexp__: by the version number |
| 15:27.27 | jelly | alexp__: you could hold it... |
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| 15:27.36 | alexp__ | stew: No, the version number is identical. |
| 15:27.37 | jelly | stew: no, the version number is identical |
| 15:27.41 | jelly | heh |
| 15:27.46 | alexp__ | No, what jelly and I said is identical. |
| 15:27.50 | stew | then they are the same package as far as the package manager is concerned |
| 15:28.04 | jelly | stew: that's what we're discussing -- it's not |
| 15:28.07 | stew | it is |
| 15:28.12 | alexp__ | stew: Then why is it trying to replace my locally-installed package with one from the repo? See http://paste.debian.net/47828/ for details. |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | stew: apt knows there's a difference and tries to reinstall (the same version number!) from repo |
| 15:29.10 | jelly | alexp__: just add a changelog entry (of bump the last one a wee bit) and use a packaage like that |
| 15:29.15 | stew | alexp__: try running "aptitude --forget-new" then retry safe upgrade |
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| 15:29.45 | stew | jelly: how does apt know there is a difference? |
| 15:29.51 | jelly | stew: I have no idea |
| 15:30.00 | stew | jelly: how do you know it does? |
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| 15:30.13 | alexp__ | stew: It still wants to replace freeradius after an "aptitude forget-new" |
| 15:30.21 | jelly | stew: because it tries "upgrading" using the same-versioned package from repo. |
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| 15:30.32 | stew | jelly: what version is it going to get from the repo? |
| 15:30.38 | jelly | stew: the same one |
| 15:30.44 | jelly | it's fun |
| 15:30.46 | stew | jelly: how do you know this? |
| 15:30.58 | stew | alexp__: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 15:31.08 | alexp__ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/47828/ |
| 15:31.18 | jelly | stew: I have special powers, and can do the job of dpkg --compare-versions using my own eyes! |
| 15:31.33 | jelly | (and I know about epoch, too) |
| 15:31.42 | stew | alexp__: i saw that one |
| 15:32.05 | stew | alexp__: how about "apt-cache policy"? |
| 15:32.07 | alexp__ | Ah sorry, hang on |
| 15:32.10 | jelly | this behaviour has been present since at least woody, that's when I started making local packages |
| 15:32.16 | Titan8990 | alexp__, if you haven't read the debian package for freeradius has license issues with openssl... it is often recommended to compile freeradius manually in debian |
| 15:32.29 | jelly | Titan8990: and that's what he's done. |
| 15:32.44 | alexp__ | Titan8990: That's exactly what I've done, which is why I don't want aptitude to replace it with a non-SSL-enabled package :) |
| 15:32.50 | Titan8990 | jelly, alright, just checking since I saw that was the package in question |
| 15:32.55 | iluminator101 | i am trying to install snort i get this error http://pastebin.com/d5a183c8c |
| 15:32.56 | jelly | in fact, freeradius upstream has their own debian/ directory in the source tree and produces decent packages |
| 15:33.15 | alexp__ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/47830/ |
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| 15:34.23 | Titan8990 | iluminator101, by looking at the error message it looks like you need to manually create a user, grant privs to db, and maybe create some tables |
| 15:34.34 | Titan8990 | i have not read the docs, just going by the error message |
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| 15:35.22 | stew | alexp__: what is http://pkgs lenny/itcs104 ? |
| 15:36.06 | iluminator101 | Titan8990: i did that |
| 15:36.13 | alexp__ | stew: A local repository containing two packages for our local installs, nothing to do with freeradius or any other debian package. |
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| 15:36.21 | dokma | Hey guyz! How can I tell if my machine is 64 bit? |
| 15:36.33 | dokma | I've got Debian on it ofcourse... |
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| 15:36.43 | jinjii | uname -m |
| 15:36.59 | chty | hi, I saw that there is no more lib in libc6-prof for squeeze, I was wondering where these profiled lib have been put? I didn't find any libc_p.a in squeeze |
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| 15:37.13 | jelly | dokma: hardware os the OS installation? |
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| 15:37.22 | dokma | jinjii: I get i686 |
| 15:37.24 | Titan8990 | iluminator101, log in to mysql as that user and make sure you can insert a field in the correct database/table |
| 15:37.27 | jelly | dokma: the latter: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:37.33 | dokma | jelly: I want to know about both. |
| 15:37.35 | stew | alexp__: how did you end up with two different freeradius packages with the same version number? |
| 15:37.48 | jinjii | uname -a |
| 15:37.54 | dokma | dpkg --print-architecture gives i386 |
| 15:37.54 | dpkg | dokma: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:38.09 | jelly | dokma: the former can be extrapolated from /proc/cpuinfo, but I've no idea what exactly to look for |
| 15:38.11 | Titan8990 | stew, the debian package does not have full TLS support, likely built himself or grabbed on someone else made |
| 15:38.20 | jinjii | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:38.21 | alexp__ | stew: One is the Debian package built with OpenSSL support - apt-get source, vi debian/rules, dpkg-buildpackage -b |
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| 15:38.38 | jelly | stew: one is locally built, no dch added |
| 15:39.04 | stew | alexp__: why not just change the version number of that package as it should be changed? |
| 15:39.08 | alexp__ | jelly: What's the right option to dpog-buildpackage to add a +mypackage sub-version field? The manpage isn't clear. |
| 15:39.12 | jelly | the simplest solution is to add a changelog entry with bumped version and be done with it |
| 15:39.15 | alexp__ | stew: How should it be changed, and how do I go about that? |
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| 15:39.26 | jelly | alexp__: just edit debian/changelog |
| 15:39.31 | stew | alexp__: you edit debian/changelog dch is a utility to do this |
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| 15:40.08 | jelly | freeradius (2.0.4+dfsg-6+alex.1) ... |
| 15:40.19 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.39 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.58 | stew | i wonder if aptitude why would say why it is reinstalling |
| 15:41.09 | jelly | stew: because it's the same versions |
| 15:41.16 | jelly | s/s$// |
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| 15:41.38 | stew | jelly: ? |
| 15:41.48 | Titan8990 | jelly, why rfc 2822? a quick glance looks like that is related to email |
| 15:41.57 | Titan8990 | stew, its the same version with different compile options |
| 15:42.05 | jelly | oh, sorry, misread the "aptitude why" |
| 15:42.24 | jelly | Titan8990: that's the correct format |
| 15:42.40 | jelly | dch does the whole skeleton entry for you |
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| 15:42.48 | Grizu | Hi, i am using voyage-linux and have problems to get my usb-keyboard to work - it does not appear in /dev/input what might be wrong? |
| 15:42.55 | Titan8990 | jelly, the rfc seems to be constantly referring to electronic mail |
| 15:43.04 | stew | alexp__: can you run the aptitude frontend and see why it wants to upgrade the package? |
| 15:43.10 | jelly | Titan8990: that's the date format used in debian changelogs. |
| 15:43.17 | stew | alexp__: or run "aptitude why freeradius" and see if it says why |
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| 15:43.38 | themill | Titan8990: the rfc also defines a date format that is implemented in date(1) and is used in a lot of other situations too |
| 15:44.05 | alexp__ | stew: i freeradius-dbg Depends freeradius (= 2.0.4+dfsg-6) |
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| 15:44.19 | alexp__ | And freeradius-dbg has the same versions as freeradius |
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| 15:44.44 | alexp__ | jelly: So "dch --newversion 2.0.4+dfsg-6+alexp.1" will do the right thing? |
| 15:44.46 | jelly | Titan8990: dpkg for a long time had its own 822-date binary just for that |
| 15:45.10 | jelly | alexp__: looks reasonable |
| 15:45.22 | jelly | alexp__: don't ask me, I always edit the file manually :-) |
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| 15:45.48 | Grizu | syslog >> Sep 30 14:26:32 voyage vmunix: [ 5589.831885] usb 2-4: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 |
| 15:45.48 | Grizu | Sep 30 14:26:32 voyage vmunix: [ 5590.001933] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 15:45.48 | Grizu | Sep 30 14:26:32 voyage vmunix: [ 5590.017239] input: USB Keyboard as /class/input/input7 |
| 15:45.48 | Grizu | Sep 30 14:26:32 voyage vmunix: [ 5590.020999] input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [ USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:0f.4-4 |
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| 15:45.56 | stew | alexp__: what does "dpkg -l freeradius | tail -1" return? |
| 15:46.05 | ranix | !voyage-linux |
| 15:46.07 | jelly | alexp__: if you rebuild it differently, you can use alexp.2, etc |
| 15:46.16 | ranix | !voyage |
| 15:46.16 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian>, targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing lists. http://linux.voyage.hk/ |
| 15:46.23 | ranix | ah weird |
| 15:46.26 | alexp__ | stew: ii freeradius 2.0.4+dfsg-6 a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server |
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| 15:47.01 | ranix | !tell Grizu about voyage |
| 15:47.12 | jelly | hates his boss' custom rebuild libsnmp where the guy forgot to bump the version number |
| 15:47.13 | syslq78 | Linux doesnt use interrupts for process scheduling does it? |
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| 15:47.16 | ranix | !tell Grizu about based on debian |
| 15:47.22 | silidan | hi, i just installed debian lenny, got onboard sound that doesnt create /dev/dsp.... (also zynaddsubfx wont gove a single tone, media players work fine...) |
| 15:47.27 | jelly | syslq78: it doesn't. |
| 15:47.45 | syslq78 | jelly, just for hardware device? Or does it handle io with loop? |
| 15:47.52 | cahoot | silidan: load snd-pcm-oss if you want /dev/dsp |
| 15:47.54 | ranix | silidan: apt-get install oss-compat |
| 15:47.58 | ranix | silidan: or similar |
| 15:48.00 | jelly | silidan: you can a) install alsa-oss, and run "aoss zyaddsubfx", or b) use jack |
| 15:48.10 | ranix | it's not alsa-oss anymore, it's oss-compat |
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| 15:48.36 | jelly | silidan: you can also do what cahoot says but then the synth will lock the device and no other app won't be able to use it |
| 15:49.04 | jelly | syslq78: sorry, are you asking about process scheduling, or io? |
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| 15:49.24 | jelly | syslq78: what hardware device? |
| 15:49.42 | stonie | hello .. i got damaged console/mc .. http://seclab.de/mc.jpg - what can that be pls? |
| 15:49.45 | mazpe | is eth0 supposed to be configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:49.53 | ranix | mazpe: probably |
| 15:50.06 | mazpe | probably? |
| 15:50.27 | ranix | mazpe: man interfaces is a good one for figuring out /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:50.32 | ranix | mazpe: I reference it pretty much every time I set up a new system |
| 15:50.34 | themill | stonie: /msg dpkg ssh linedraw |
| 15:50.38 | jelly | syslq78: what background are you coming from with this question, some context? Also, ##kernel is better suited for implementation details |
| 15:50.51 | syslq78 | jelly, about both actually, process scheduling is done with smart algorythms I guess (dos just attached them to timer irq, some real time debate...), but io such as mouse, keyboard etc... is handled with interrupts I guess? it could also be handled with loop as with some embeded systems (round robing without interruptS) |
| 15:50.52 | silidan | jelly: thanks will try what you said |
| 15:51.28 | stonie | themill, tyvm |
| 15:52.23 | silidan | jelly: great man thanks that did it! |
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| 15:52.29 | syslq78 | jelly, friend called me since he had problems handling DOS + IPX/SPX automatization in one factory, and then we debated why they use dos, dos is quite close to real time, it's neither multiuser or multitasking and it handles everything by attaching it to timer interrupt :). So I got curious how modern os'es deal with that |
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| 15:53.06 | illissius | when I do aptitude safe-upgrade, it says things like "open: 7; closed: 205; defer: 400; conflict: 32" before finally settling on what to upgrade; is conflict > 0 normal? if so, how do I find out what's conflicting with what? |
| 15:53.10 | syslq78 | jelly, so far I have only coded round robing without interrupts (basically a timed loop) |
| 15:53.47 | illissius | I should say rather "if not" |
| 15:54.15 | silidan | jelly: aoss introduces alot of latency.... |
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| 15:55.23 | jelly | syslq78: Linux/RT is probably what you'll be after |
| 15:56.10 | syslq78 | jelly, yeah I found it, it's an interesting project, thanks |
| 15:56.53 | syslq78 | jelly, I do work with qnx too but I never thought about how do they achieve real time with multiuser, multitasking, I might make more sense when I check this |
| 15:57.01 | silidan | jelly: but the jack route did the trick... forgot to start jack before zynadd before... that seemed to let me think it doesnt work with ack because of this /dev/dsp missing thing... but now all works thanks again man/woman ;) |
| 15:57.22 | themill | illissius: what are you upgrading from and to here? That's a lot of things that it's having trouble with. |
| 15:59.27 | illissius | themill: just from a week or two ago; i'm on sid. |
| 15:59.49 | illissius | but yes, i may or may not have some wonky problems with my packages |
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| 15:59.55 | illissius | which is why i'd like to know what they are... |
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| 16:00.43 | themill | illissius: it's likely that you need a full-upgrade not a safe-upgrade then. Pinning also makes the resolution much harder and can cause problems.... be careful of that. |
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| 16:03.22 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
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| 16:03.57 | SerajewelKS | how can i allow logins to vsftpd from a local account, but not ssh? i have set the user's shell to /usr/sbin/nologin, but this seems to also disallow authentication to vsftpd |
| 16:04.29 | Orbixx | How can I install the stock Debian kernel? |
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| 16:04.45 | matteo1 | hi everyone! |
| 16:04.53 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing and it is getting me trouble at the start. It gives me this error message: ""The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined." It was afeter an updating, and before of it it was working ok... some ideas somebody please? |
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| 16:05.10 | larryone | good afternoon gentlemen |
| 16:05.30 | mr_crowley | i've been having a problem with a single wifi network with gnome-network-manager |
| 16:05.40 | mr_crowley | all the others network connect automatically |
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| 16:05.43 | mr_crowley | but not this |
| 16:05.58 | illissius | themill: hm, removing pins didn't seem to do much; holds also? |
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| 16:06.11 | larryone | wonders how may come in here with the <I got this thing working in ubuntu...> questions |
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| 16:06.18 | mr_crowley | i have the password and all.... try to connect but nothing happen |
| 16:06.52 | themill | illissius: yes, holds can also make correct dependency resolution impossible. |
| 16:06.53 | alexp__ | mr_crowley: Do you know how this wireless network differs from the others? Different encryption (WPA vs WEP) or something? |
| 16:07.19 | larryone | I'm trying to do some pptp vpn tunnelling, and I have tried some of the things in the pptpclient guide on sourceforge, but I'm seeing many things that make no sense |
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| 16:07.52 | illissius | hmhm. |
| 16:07.52 | larryone | is this a good place to ask about it? |
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| 16:08.09 | larryone | I got it working fine in ubuntu networkmanager |
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| 16:08.24 | larryone | but on my debian server, it no worky |
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| 16:08.31 | Titan8990 | larryone, for the most part PPTP has been replaced by L2TP |
| 16:08.40 | larryone | oooh |
| 16:08.46 | larryone | this is new to me |
| 16:08.50 | kuro_neko | my system locale is set to en_US.UTF-8, but I would like to change some particular settings of it. I'm trying to change values but it's not working. I do export LC_TIME="ja_JP.UTF-8" but then execute locale and settings remain the same :s What am I missing here? |
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| 16:09.01 | Titan8990 | larryone, but thats in technology in general, not saying that its been replaced in debian or anything like that |
| 16:09.03 | larryone | googles L2TP |
| 16:09.11 | larryone | aah |
| 16:09.33 | larryone | well like I said, what I have on my ubuntu laptop is working, and I can connect to the pptp server |
| 16:09.54 | larryone | but the smae diagnosis steps fail on my laptop aswell as my debian server |
| 16:10.38 | themill | larryone: installing network-manager-pptp and network-manager-pptp-gnome works for me |
| 16:10.59 | themill | larryone: hang on... are you setting up a pptp client or server here? |
| 16:11.02 | larryone | themill, does this mean I have to have a full gnome install oin the debian box? |
| 16:11.05 | larryone | client |
| 16:11.21 | larryone | the server is somewhere in africa |
| 16:11.27 | larryone | I am not |
| 16:11.51 | themill | larryone: it pulls in a small amount of gnome but not too much. It's not strictly necessary but if you want to be able to configure the vpn via a gui it is necessary. |
| 16:11.52 | alexp__ | jelly / stew / abrotman: I now have a freeradius package which "aptitude safe-upgrade" doesn't want to replace, thanks very much! |
| 16:12.11 | larryone | themill, I'll give it a go |
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| 16:12.43 | jelly | alexp__: you still ought to put it on hold in case Debian security comes up with -7 |
| 16:13.06 | jelly | or -6lenny1 |
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| 16:13.33 | Titan8990 | jelly, looks like he would have missed what you said |
| 16:14.06 | larryone | themill, problem..... I need to be able to start it from the command line.... how can I do that with the networkmanager plugin? |
| 16:14.10 | alexp__ | jelly-home: No, that's desireable - apticron will tell me there's a new version and I can hand-build it again with the OpenSSL support. |
| 16:14.21 | larryone | I'd have to do the X11 forwarding and use the applet...? |
| 16:14.34 | larryone | (ssh into the debina box....) |
| 16:14.46 | alexp__ | jelly: I need to make sure I'm running the latest version to ensure security compliance with our policies here. |
| 16:14.53 | jelly | alexp__: yeah... next stop: automatic rebuilding using your ./configure when Debian update happens! |
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| 16:15.34 | mr_crowley | can anyone suggest me a good guide about gnome-network-manager im having trouble connecting one wifi network |
| 16:15.49 | themill | larryone: ergh... there's a cnetworkmanager thing that's available for that but it's not in debian yet. If you're not in a gui environment, then you probably want to skip network manager and just configure pptp-linux directly. (Don't ask me how... I just use network manager for pptp or openvpn) |
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| 16:17.21 | larryone | themill, i've been trying the pptp-linux config for the last while, but to no avail |
| 16:18.04 | larryone | and like I said, the diagnostic steps dont really tell me much, because they fail on the ubuntu aswell - even though I can connect with it |
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| 16:18.27 | Titan8990 | larryone, whats the error? |
| 16:18.28 | larryone | so i'm really confused now |
| 16:18.47 | Zambezi | Anyone with Squeeze and rtorrent? Last time I tried Squeeze, rtorrent crashed multiple times per day (when it was 0.8.1-2 or so). Is it more stable now? |
| 16:18.52 | larryone | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
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| 16:20.47 | larryone | the diagnosis doc says to test GRE conectivity, but it fails on both machines |
| 16:21.00 | larryone | yet the ubuntu works |
| 16:21.16 | jelly | uses rtorrent 0.8.4+tit-4 backported to stable |
| 16:21.27 | jelly | ... it has "tit" in the version number! |
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| 16:21.51 | larryone | feels like giving up on it |
| 16:21.57 | jelly | that is reason enough to backport it |
| 16:22.52 | crescendo | Is there any way to run a debian install from a terminal? debian-installer or something? |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | larryone: I won't be the one to suggest using a package from unstable. |
| 16:23.13 | larryone | hmm |
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| 16:23.25 | jelly | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 16:23.25 | judd | jelly: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.5-2 squeeze: 0.8.5-2 |
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| 16:23.37 | jelly | your system seems to be outdated? |
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| 16:26.45 | citrix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.10 | mr_crowley | debian! |
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| 16:27.54 | Titan8990 | citrix, #gentoo, then come back to debian |
| 16:27.57 | dutchfish | citrix, bydoing, and reading wiki.debian.org also study LPI |
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| 16:28.13 | jelly | Titan8990: a cruel and unusual punishment! |
| 16:28.27 | lillis | I'm having problems getting my sound to work. I'm using alsa, and I can start stuff like mocp and speaker-test without problem but no sound is being played |
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| 16:28.32 | mr_crowley | gentoo jajajaja |
| 16:28.35 | lillis | I have checked alsamixer and it's all cranked up |
| 16:28.58 | Titan8990 | jelly, its like a vision quest... ones "enlightenment" to a true linux |
| 16:29.11 | TTimo | hello .. are there known issues with 5.0.3 installs not booting with root-on-lvm2 ? I get dropped to (initramfs) prompt with error messages about the volumes not found (tried grub and grub2, doesn't seem related) |
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| 16:29.39 | TTimo | booting a rescuecd shows the volumes are there, properly configured and all |
| 16:29.50 | Titan8990 | TTimo, initrd lacks drivers? |
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| 16:30.13 | illissius | fwiw, i started with gentoo and it was pretty useful for actually learning how things work without all the userfriendliness getting in the way |
| 16:30.21 | illissius | but debian may or may not be just as good, i dunno |
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| 16:30.57 | alexp__ | Debian was the first GNU/Linux distro I used which was easy enough for me not to give up, but not so sugar-coated that I couldn't see what was going on. |
| 16:30.59 | Titan8990 | illissius, its not as good a learning tool IMO, its as good if not better distro |
| 16:31.26 | PerfDave | alexp__: Yeah, I looked at Gentoo for about two weeks but found it too unstable and the users too unfriendly |
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| 16:31.33 | Titan8990 | illissius, err i mean debian is probably a better distro but nothing matches the learning experience of gentoo |
| 16:31.40 | jelly | TTimo: grub legacy doesn't do that afaik, but grub2 is supposed to cope |
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| 16:32.00 | Yakeson_Chihiro | good day |
| 16:32.13 | Yakeson_Chihiro | does anyone succeed to install Adobe Air on Debian please ? |
| 16:32.18 | jelly | TTimo: coworker says he had issues when he used labels for root= with a LABEL=/ for the root fs |
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| 16:32.51 | jelly | TTimo: you can always put /boot on a small non-lvm partition |
| 16:33.09 | Titan8990 | didn't know /boot could be on lvm at all |
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| 16:33.28 | PerfDave | /boot can be on LVM with lilo and grub2 but not grub, no? |
| 16:33.31 | Titan8990 | jelly, it sounds like its loading the kernel, and just failing mount rootfs |
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| 16:34.05 | ch1pl3t_ | i want to synch my debian system clock with an ntp server's time. what package do I need? |
| 16:34.07 | TTimo | jelly indeed /boot is on a non lvm |
| 16:34.11 | TTimo | that's not the problem I have |
| 16:34.12 | jelly | yeah, loading kernel is seldom a problem |
| 16:34.14 | TTimo | the kernel boots |
| 16:34.17 | TTimo | finds it's initrd |
| 16:34.17 | PerfDave | ch1pl3t_: ntp ? |
| 16:34.21 | TTimo | but fails to mount the root |
| 16:34.42 | jelly | TTimo: does the initrd contain correct lvm.conf? |
| 16:34.50 | TTimo | how can I check |
| 16:34.53 | jelly | er, whatever lvm needs from /etc... |
| 16:34.57 | jelly | TTimo: livecd? |
| 16:34.57 | TTimo | initrd is always this strange piece |
| 16:35.07 | jelly | it' |
| 16:35.12 | TTimo | it builds the initrd when installing the kernel doesn't it ? |
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| 16:35.19 | jelly | it's a filesystem or an archive, not rocket science |
| 16:35.30 | jelly | TTimo: or when you run update-initramfs manually |
| 16:35.43 | ch1pl3t_ | PerfDave: isn't that the service/daemon? |
| 16:35.45 | TTimo | yeah .. how do I make sure update-initramfs pulled in lvm ? |
| 16:35.57 | jelly | TTimo: um.. check the contents thereof? |
| 16:36.51 | TTimo | ok I can check content, but assuming lvm was not included, how do I fix it my issuing update-initramfs again and making sure it's included ? |
| 16:37.06 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
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| 16:37.59 | TTimo | what worries me is that the console scrolls something about finding the sda / sdb drives *after* it prints out about mounting the root file system and not finding the lvm volumes |
| 16:38.22 | TTimo | so maybe it's just missing lvm in the initrd |
| 16:38.42 | TTimo | thing is, it's a standard install, I haven't done anything special and I'm not getting a bootable system |
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| 16:38.56 | jelly | that's what we're hoping for, and that a initrd rebuild will fix things |
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| 16:39.11 | Titan8990 | TTimo, in the future, its a lot less headache to put / and /boot on a primary partition and lvm the rest |
| 16:39.35 | jelly | has lvmed root and it works, but didn't use the debian installer |
| 16:39.56 | TTimo | Titan8990: yeah I guess .. but in the installer when you select automated partitioning it will put your root on lvm |
| 16:40.09 | Titan8990 | if you choose "guided lvm" in the installer, it doesn't put / in the lvm |
| 16:40.12 | valdyn | lvm / needs a regenerated initrd, that should be all |
| 16:40.13 | PerfDave | ch1pl3t_: It's the daemon and client utilities |
| 16:40.15 | TTimo | did here |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | a bug in debian-installer? How unexpected! |
| 16:40.30 | Titan8990 | TTimo, i had a different experience... for what version? |
| 16:40.35 | PerfDave | Titan8990: That's not my experience - I get /boot in a non-LVM partition and / in LVM, with no problems. |
| 16:40.38 | TTimo | 5.0.3 i586 installer |
| 16:40.53 | TTimo | PerfDave: yep that's what it did here too .. except for the root mount part |
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| 16:41.32 | Titan8990 | doesn't often use an initrd so doesn't mess with that stuff |
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| 16:43.31 | ma3x | thanks cahoot |
| 16:43.42 | cahoot | again? |
| 16:43.57 | ma3x | again :d |
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| 16:53.28 | beli | what tools/setup do you guys use to prevent web/cgi/php attacks? |
| 16:54.05 | ch1pl3t_ | PerfDave: thx - got it working - do you hapen to know how to tune things so it tries to synch system time with ntp server every hour? |
| 16:54.21 | PerfDave | beli: aptitude purge php |
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| 16:54.46 | beli | 7ignore perfdave ;) |
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| 16:55.49 | PerfDave | ch1pl3t_: Just let it do its thing, it'll synch when it thinks it needs to. |
| 16:57.04 | ch1pl3t_ | PerfDave: i _hate_ not being in control of things like that - makes me feel like I'm managing a windows network... :-( |
| 16:57.45 | ch1pl3t_ | PerfDave: i.e. make a change and take for granted that change will propigate eventually, with no assurance that it will actually happen... |
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| 16:57.55 | beli | ch1pl3t_: write a hourly cronscript |
| 16:58.13 | cahoot | ch1pl3t_: isn't the point that ntp offers a gradual correction? |
| 16:58.37 | themill | ch1pl3t_: you don't want to do a hard sync on the time anyway, you want to slew the clock towards the correct time so that you don't jump forwards or backwards and really make a mess of things. |
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| 16:59.38 | PerfDave | You can run ntpdate out of cron if you want, but ntp will keep an eye on your drift itself. |
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| 17:00.05 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 17:01.17 | yaaar | Any samba/ldap gurus iin here today? I have a samba server authenticating off a modified zimbra ldap scheme, as described here: http://wiki.zimbra.com/index.php?title=UNIX_and_Windows_Accounts_in_Zimbra_LDAP_and_Zimbra_Admin_UI_6.0 ...most things work fine. But unfortunately I can't get samba to honor group restrictions |
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| 17:02.18 | yaaar | The 4 shares at the bottom of this smb.conf ( http://pastebin.ca/1586279 ) file all have 'valid users = @group' type restrictions, but for some reason samba doesn't pay any attention to them...any user can log into any of these shares, regardless of whether they're in the appropriate group |
| 17:02.28 | yaaar | anybody know what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 17:04.20 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing and it is getting me trouble at the start. It gives me this error message: ""The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined." It was afeter an updating, and before of it it was working ok... some ideas somebody please? |
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| 17:05.00 | stuckey | nootoyahora: When do you see this message? Can you paste the entire message at paste.debian.net? |
| 17:05.17 | rhys | nootoyahora, You tested it. Its broke. |
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| 17:05.53 | nootoyahora | stuckey, that is the whole message, noting else, I see it when I start the application |
| 17:05.59 | abrotman | nootoyahora: uh .. *which* application ? |
| 17:06.07 | nootoyahora | rhys, wll, I know it is broke... xD |
| 17:06.19 | stuckey | nootoyahora: which application? |
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| 17:06.33 | nootoyahora | stuckey, calc, and I think wirter too |
| 17:07.44 | nootoyahora | stuckey, calc, and writer, and openoffice, I think the same for the others |
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| 17:08.40 | hark | nootoyahora: check the bts? |
| 17:09.15 | nootoyahora | hard the bts? waht's the bts? |
| 17:09.35 | hark | bug tracking system |
| 17:09.44 | abrotman | nootoyahora: are you running this from X ? |
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| 17:09.59 | nootoyahora | abrotman, yes, I'm running it from x, from gnome |
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| 17:10.13 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 17:10.52 | cr3rzemjest | is it possible to fully maximize window in kde/gnome? i mean, when i press the button i want the window to be non-resizable, unmovable etc |
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| 17:12.48 | nootoyahora | hark, waht is a bts? |
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| 17:15.27 | hark | nootoyahora: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:15.31 | mhymn | cr3rzemjest: or you mean full screen option? anyway, you might want to try #kde or #gnome |
| 17:15.47 | saulus | which command shows me the dependencies of a package? |
| 17:15.58 | mhymn | apt-cache depends pkg |
| 17:16.09 | saulus | ty mhymn |
| 17:16.30 | saulus | cr3rzemjest: try F11 in firefox, gnome terminal and maybe some others |
| 17:16.50 | mazpe | is there a package that installs gcc plus all its dependencies? |
| 17:16.57 | mazpe | with no network access |
| 17:17.48 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: uh... how do you expect to get those packages? |
| 17:17.52 | hark | nootoyahora: i found this http://bugs.debian.org/509660 |
| 17:18.09 | mhymn | he gets from no where repo probably |
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| 17:18.12 | PerfDave | mazpe: apt-zip ? |
| 17:18.13 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: from another machine to a usbd rive. |
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| 17:18.35 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: you can do that using apt-zip, or wget, or whatever you want, followed by dpkg -i. |
| 17:18.52 | mazpe | i get that part |
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| 17:19.05 | mazpe | i'm wondering if there is a package that has gcc + friends all bundle |
| 17:19.13 | themill | !b-e mazpe |
| 17:19.13 | dpkg | mazpe: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 17:19.26 | mazpe | without having to download one at a time |
| 17:19.40 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: something like apt-get -s --print-uris install build-essential; will do what you need. |
| 17:19.50 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: then you can just dpkg -i the resulting slew of packages. |
| 17:20.06 | mazpe | according to this.. it depends on a compiler it self => http://packages.debian.org/lenny/build-essential |
| 17:20.33 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: yes, which is why you use apt-zip or the command I just gave you |
| 17:20.48 | nootoyahora | hark, seems like something is broken in ooffice for debian and? |
| 17:21.31 | unitypunk_ | is there a maximum number of mp3s you can put on an mp3 cd? |
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| 17:21.59 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: i would need another debian machine. |
| 17:21.59 | mazpe | ok |
| 17:22.06 | dondelelcaro | unitypunk_: no, but some players have a maximum number that they'll play. |
| 17:22.14 | unitypunk_ | :-/ |
| 17:22.18 | unitypunk_ | ok |
| 17:22.30 | unitypunk_ | never really tried to make one over around 100 tracks |
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| 17:22.34 | dondelelcaro | all an mp3 cd is is a cd with mp3s on it |
| 17:22.37 | PerfDave | mazpe: Would you need another debian machine? |
| 17:22.52 | mazpe | PerfDave: to run apt-get -s |
| 17:22.54 | pinholecamera | hey folks, wondering... by default out of the box does sendmail block mail sent to the same domain as the server? |
| 17:23.10 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: uh... why can't you use the one you have or use the one you have with your original installation media? |
| 17:23.10 | themill | (well, there's presumably a limit to the number of files per directory of an iso9660 filesystem too, but that's unlikely to be the issue) |
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| 17:23.52 | dondelelcaro | themill: ISTR being able to use subdirectories, too... but unlikely to be a problem |
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| 17:24.13 | themill | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 17:24.23 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: the one i have doesnt recognize the nic.. what i'm originally trying to install. |
| 17:24.41 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: so do you still have your install cds? which nic is it? |
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| 17:24.53 | jey_ | can you use ssh v2 with debian? |
| 17:24.55 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: its running proxmox, which doesnt have any of the extra packages in the media. |
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| 17:25.01 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: atheros l1e |
| 17:25.19 | j_14 | jey_: yes |
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| 17:25.44 | jey_ | j_14: do you know how to check which version im running? |
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| 17:25.54 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: contact their support? |
| 17:26.04 | dondelelcaro | jey_: dpkg -l openssh-client |
| 17:26.10 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: the nic is not supported.. but i do have the driver. |
| 17:26.29 | mazpe | dondelelcaro: actually, debian and ubuntu have had problem with it for a while. the driver should work |
| 17:26.48 | dondelelcaro | mazpe: since they've done whatever screwy things they've done to Debian, their support is who you should be contacting. If you're actually installing Debian, use your cd media. |
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| 17:27.03 | jey_ | dondelelcaro: well, I want my machine to be running the server, will that still be applicable>? |
| 17:27.13 | dondelelcaro | jey_: then dpkg -l openssh-server; |
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| 17:27.18 | j_14 | jey_: you can force V2 with the -2 option |
| 17:27.48 | PerfDave | jey_: You are aware that "SSH v2" refers to teh version of the SSH protocol, not the version of the OpenSSH software, yes? |
| 17:27.54 | jey_ | PerfDave: yes |
| 17:27.57 | jey_ | PerfDave: that's what I mean |
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| 17:28.09 | jey_ | sorry if I was unclear |
| 17:28.14 | PerfDave | jey_: Cool, just checking :) |
| 17:28.16 | dondelelcaro | jey_: if you mean which protocol version, that's configurable; by default Debian does version 2 only, but see /etc/sshd_config |
| 17:28.22 | jey_ | Oh |
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| 17:28.39 | dondelelcaro | s#sshd#ssh/&# |
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| 17:34.29 | Quazar | Hi all, would anyone know why the characters i type in my tightvnc server dont match what im typing from my laptop keyboard? |
| 17:35.18 | Titan8990 | quakaz, different locales on the server? |
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| 17:35.43 | mhymn | nick fail |
| 17:37.30 | TTimo | mh and what about root on software raid at least. will I be more lucky with that |
| 17:38.27 | Titan8990 | TTimo, set on root not being primary? |
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| 17:39.05 | TTimo | installing a different system this time around |
| 17:39.17 | Titan8990 | TTimo, did you get the other working? |
| 17:39.17 | dondelelcaro | TTimo: you can do root on software raid, or whatever, but generally speaking, you want a separate /boot |
| 17:39.21 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 17:39.22 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
| 17:39.24 | TTimo | have 3 drives, want to use software raid as much as possible |
| 17:39.38 | TTimo | yes /boot will be non soft raid just straight up partition on the first disk |
| 17:39.50 | TTimo | Titan8990: no I'll have to come back to it later, that one is more urgent |
| 17:40.04 | TTimo | I'll just back it up |
| 17:40.19 | dondelelcaro | TTimo: right, so then you'll be fine. I personally actually tend to have /boot on all of the drives, with a raid1 configuratio |
| 17:40.29 | dondelelcaro | TTimo: right, so then you'll be fine. I personally actually tend to have /boot on all of the drives, with a raid1 configuration, but you can do whatever works. |
| 17:40.30 | Quazar | Titan8990: eh? |
| 17:40.32 | TTimo | but I'd still like my root to be on the soft raid .. want to make sure that a drive failure won't take us down significantly |
| 17:40.55 | Titan8990 | !tell Quazar about locales |
| 17:40.55 | Quazar | This doesnt happen for openssh |
| 17:40.59 | TTimo | dondelelcaro: yes but that means boot on soft raid, which is tricky |
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| 17:41.13 | TTimo | it's a remote system, if it fails to boot I don't have kvm over IP |
| 17:41.16 | dondelelcaro | TTimo: not for raid1 |
| 17:41.18 | jey_ | how do I do a sytem updrade? |
| 17:41.21 | TTimo | have to rely on the guy at the other end to unscrew things |
| 17:41.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell jey_ -about debian mantra |
| 17:41.47 | Titan8990 | jey_, aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade OR aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:42.50 | TTimo | dondelelcaro: oh I see what you mean, since they are fully mirrored, can look at the partition directly ? |
| 17:42.51 | Titan8990 | bot says use aptitude upgrade but i think that is deprecated now, just defaults it to aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 17:42.58 | dondelelcaro | TTimo: right |
| 17:43.13 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: sure, which is a reasonable command. |
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| 17:43.46 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, right but how long is the backwards compatibility going to be left in place? |
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| 17:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: probably indefinetly |
| 17:44.09 | Quazar | Titan8990: no its not that i already configured that when i installed debian the first time. Again, i have _no_ troubles when using OpenSSHd |
| 17:44.20 | Quazar | Titan8990: the issue is with tightvnc |
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| 17:44.31 | Quazar | I just installed it because i need to be able to control the gui |
| 17:44.32 | Titan8990 | Quazar, then I am not sure, I have only used the tightvnc client |
| 17:44.42 | Quazar | Ok |
| 17:44.53 | radius | does someone have a link on howto upgrade gnome in debian 5.0.3 to a more current version using apt/source.list? |
| 17:44.54 | km | i have program/process own by user "john" and i login as user "joe" and want run user "john" program as user "joe". how can i do this? |
| 17:45.18 | Titan8990 | Quazar, i have found xrdp is usually a "just works" thing out of the box |
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| 17:45.29 | Titan8990 | Quazar, if you don't mind using rdp |
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| 17:45.54 | Quazar | Can you give a brief description? |
| 17:45.59 | strk | any help with printing ? I'm in a lenny mess (some testing packages) and would like to cleanup everything and reinstall only the required packages for a working printing environment. |
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| 17:46.13 | strk | final goal: have an HP usb printer working |
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| 17:46.31 | Titan8990 | Quazar, it uses some kind of authentication daemon called seasman which will use PAM by default, from there i think it basically tunnels a VNC connection over rdp |
| 17:46.39 | NUKER | Bonjour |
| 17:46.53 | gueeest_007 | hi, i set /etc/security/limits.conf userX - rss 1048576, and he has got: max memory size (kbytes, -m) 1048576 , but he still can go out of the bounds. Wyh? |
| 17:47.04 | NUKER | How Can I Connect Though GPRS |
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| 17:47.21 | Titan8990 | Quazar, it will be a separate session however |
| 17:47.31 | Athas | How do I disable the automatic fscking of file systems after X mounts? |
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| 17:47.40 | Titan8990 | Athas, tune2fs |
| 17:47.45 | NUKER | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.53 | Quazar | Titan8990: just like TightVNC |
| 17:48.04 | Quazar | Its more like a terminal service |
| 17:48.19 | Quazar | This doesnt make any sense, because it works well for Windows |
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| 17:48.32 | Titan8990 | tightvnc? |
| 17:48.44 | Athas | Titan8990: oh, thanks. I could swear it used to be a mount option. |
| 17:48.52 | Quazar | Now i cant even login because my password is a numeric |
| 17:49.01 | Quazar | And it cant seem to determine wtf im typing |
| 17:49.02 | Titan8990 | Athas, there is the "pass" option in /etc/fstab also |
| 17:49.09 | Quazar | Titan8990: http://www.tightvnc.org |
| 17:49.46 | TTimo | hum this is weird, I don't see 'use as physical volume for software raid' in this installer |
| 17:49.47 | Titan8990 | Quazar, i know tightvnc has some proprietary calls... what viewer are you using? also tightvnc? |
| 17:49.58 | j_14 | strk: are the testing packages that you want to remove related to the printer? or is it a separate issue? |
| 17:50.03 | Quazar | Titan8990: indeed |
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| 17:50.12 | Quazar | vncclient |
| 17:50.17 | TTimo | (nm it was missing installer components) |
| 17:50.29 | strk | j_14: I've NO idea... eh |
| 17:50.30 | Titan8990 | TTimo, i would think that you would create the raid array and then create a PV out of that |
| 17:50.44 | strk | j_14: I don't even know *how* to check which packages come from testing |
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| 17:50.56 | Titan8990 | Quazar, ? mine is called xtightvncviewer |
| 17:51.04 | TTimo | Titan8990: oh yeah |
| 17:51.16 | logyati | hey guys! i already have an ldap database, and all linux workstations using it to login. Now im creating a PDC with samba and ldap auth... im in the step that i must run smbldap-populate. could it erase or do something wrong with my user database? |
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| 17:51.27 | j_14 | strk: why do you want to remove them? |
| 17:51.41 | Titan8990 | quakaz, ah, vncviewer just points to xtightvncviewer |
| 17:51.46 | Quazar | Titan8990: my mistake it is vncviewer |
| 17:51.47 | strk | j_14: was hoping to fix the troubles. probably not a good strategy |
| 17:51.54 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing and it is getting me trouble at the start. It gives me this error message: ""The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined." It was afeter an updating, and before of it it was working ok... some ideas somebody please? |
| 17:52.04 | strk | j_14: right now, after removing lots of stuff I'm with no "printing" item in the "System->Administration" menu |
| 17:52.16 | Quazar | Titan8990: yeah the xtightvncviewer is the gui |
| 17:52.23 | Quazar | And vncviewer is called from cmd |
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| 17:52.42 | strk | j_14: any hint on which packages to install to try this printer ? |
| 17:52.52 | Titan8990 | Quazar, eh? lol i have always been launching xtightvncviewer from cli. i haven't seen a gui |
| 17:53.07 | j_14 | strk: hplip |
| 17:53.24 | Quazar | Titan8990: meh, i got tired of calling it from cmd line so i put it up in Applications->Internet :D |
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| 17:55.27 | strk | j_14: ok, hplip installed. menu item still not there |
| 17:56.01 | Quazar | So when i type 'Y' it returns as 'A' on the vncserver |
| 17:56.03 | Quazar | Wtf O_o |
| 17:56.14 | Titan8990 | strk, hplip is a driver set, not an application |
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| 17:56.28 | Titan8990 | strk, you need to install the printer using the system for your DE or the cups interface |
| 17:56.29 | j_14 | strk: ok lest not worry about that menu item |
| 17:56.42 | Titan8990 | quakaz, yeah, that is pretty odd |
| 17:56.54 | Titan8990 | Quazar, have you already tried asking google? |
| 17:57.04 | Quazar | Titan8990: Yeah |
| 17:57.21 | Quazar | Posted on 3 linux forums |
| 17:57.27 | strk | j_14: hold on ! CUPS web interface seems to have succeeded in printing a test page!!! |
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| 17:57.42 | strk | is much happier now |
| 17:57.56 | strk | j_14: it looks like I'll only need "facilities" now :) |
| 17:58.23 | Titan8990 | Quazar, just to rule out the client... aptitude install gvncviewer; gvncviewer <hostname> |
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| 17:59.19 | Phazed | for around a month now, when I update package lists, thousands of packages remain marked as new which means I have to jump to the bottom and scroll up. has something changed recently with apt or do I have a config problem somewhere? (I didn't change anything before this problem appeared) |
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| 17:59.41 | j_14 | strk: great! are you on gnome? do you see the hplip status tray icon? |
| 17:59.44 | Quazar | Titan8990: i'll try that |
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| 18:00.05 | strk | j_14: no tray icon, but there's an hp-toolbox item in a system menu |
| 18:00.17 | strk | system->preferences->hplip toolbox |
| 18:00.40 | strk | when I start *that* toolbox it greets me with a "No Installed HP Devices Found" message |
| 18:00.52 | strk | whihc makes me feel like wiping that hp-toolbox asap ;) |
| 18:01.34 | Quazar | An off the topic subject, i put a extra 512MB memory card in my lappy and things seem faster |
| 18:01.55 | strk | j_14: worth dropping hplip-gui ? |
| 18:02.29 | Quazar | (gvncviewer:4274): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "ubuntulooks", |
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| 18:02.53 | strk | one started that hp-toolbox also leaves a "tray" icon somewhere *out* of the panel, which is annoying |
| 18:03.31 | Quazar | Titan8990: you know what that error is? |
| 18:03.52 | Titan8990 | Quazar, common gtk theme error.... it shows that your in the wrong channel |
| 18:04.01 | Titan8990 | Quazar, non-fatal |
| 18:04.02 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 18:04.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:04.17 | j_14 | strk: you already have hplip-gui |
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| 18:04.22 | Titan8990 | Quazar, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 18:04.48 | strk | j_14: yes, I had it, but I just dropped it, as it doesn't seem to cleanly integrate in the desktop |
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| 18:05.20 | strk | printing from iceweasel also wors |
| 18:05.43 | j_14 | strk: oh, besides printing what else does your device do? |
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| 18:06.30 | strk | j_14: scanner, fax. I'll only need scanner. but printing first, which I'm still not happy with (I'd like lpr to just work) |
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| 18:10.18 | strk | ok, openoffice also prints fine |
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| 18:10.59 | strk | well,I guess it's scanner time :) |
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| 18:13.19 | EvilGuru | Does Debian support strigi searching w/KDE via nepomuk? As the control centre reports that strigi failed to initialise |
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| 18:14.24 | Quazar | Titan8990: that one didnt work |
| 18:14.34 | Quazar | Even after i fixed the ubuntulooks error |
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| 18:14.39 | Quazar | gvncviewer |
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| 18:20.41 | TTimo | oh bleh I forgot one raid device <-> one partition. seem to remember other installers supporting multiple partitions out of a single device |
| 18:21.11 | mhymn | EvilGuru: try #debian-kde or #kde too |
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| 18:24.56 | astralvoute | hi all |
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| 18:43.21 | matthewpucc | hey guys i have a question. i see a package in the mirror that i want to install (http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.13-2_amd64.deb) but it has no dist name. how can i go about installing this? |
| 18:43.52 | matthewpucc | through aptitude or apt or similar |
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| 18:44.04 | iceroot | matthewpucc: apt-get install apache2 |
| 18:44.18 | matthewpucc | its the 2.2.9 version |
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| 18:44.59 | little_owl | Is there some GTK or command line SW for supported USB tuner? |
| 18:45.11 | iceroot | matthewpucc: Version: 2.2.9-10+lenny4 |
| 18:45.14 | agaran | hello |
| 18:45.19 | iceroot | matthewpucc: you are right |
| 18:45.45 | agaran | is there any automatic way to setup slip/cslip interfaces via /etc/network/interfaces or i have to supply pre-up etc scripts? |
| 18:46.05 | matthewpucc | if you look in the package servers there is a 2.2.13 package but it has no dist attached to it |
| 18:46.11 | matthewpucc | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/ |
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| 18:48.41 | matthewpucc | is there a way to install those packages? |
| 18:49.39 | Titan8990 | judd, versions apache2 |
| 18:49.40 | judd | Titan8990: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch10 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny4 sid: 2.2.11-2 squeeze: 2.2.13-2 sid: 2.2.14-1 |
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| 18:50.08 | Titan8990 | matthewpucc, looks like its from squeeze |
| 18:50.14 | matthewpucc | ok cool |
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| 18:50.22 | matthewpucc | thanks |
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| 18:54.05 | Kerri | Hi! How can I get nano to wrap text of a file to 52 characters? |
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| 18:55.41 | matthewpucc | judd, versions php5 |
| 18:55.43 | judd | matthewpucc: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 squeeze: 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2.2 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 experimental: 5.3.0-3 |
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| 19:04.03 | freeone3000 | I seem to be, from the linker errors to std::basic_string, missing my C++ libraries for my G++ version. How do I get them installed? |
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| 19:05.34 | jelly-home | install libstdc++-dev, freeone3000? |
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| 19:05.39 | \amethyst | freeone3000: the g++-<version> package depends on them so you should have them... could you pastebin the errors |
| 19:06.13 | \amethyst | freeone3000: make sure you're compiling with g++ and not gcc |
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| 19:09.09 | freeone3000 | Ah. That'd be it. |
| 19:09.43 | \amethyst | freeone3000: gcc knows that .cc .cpp etc are C++, and compiles them as such, but doesn't link in the C++ standard library |
| 19:10.05 | \amethyst | freeone3000: so you get errors like those |
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| 19:11.42 | freeone3000 | I just seem to remember a version that dispatched to the appropriate compiler based on langauge. That may've been a while ago, and also false. |
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| 19:12.17 | Kerri | how can i wrap text to 52 in a nnao? |
| 19:12.18 | Kerri | nano |
| 19:13.55 | enmerkar | Kerri: use fmt? |
| 19:14.13 | \amethyst | Kerri: nano -r 52 |
| 19:14.26 | \amethyst | Kerri: then you can use ctrl-j to re-justify paragraphs |
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| 19:18.36 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing and it is getting me trouble at the start. It gives me this error message: ""The application cannot be started. The user interface language cannot be determined." It was after an updating, and before of it it was working ok... some ideas somebody please? |
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| 19:20.14 | Titan8990 | nootoyahora, when starting which application? |
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| 19:20.28 | nootoyahora | Titan8990, al of them (at least calc and wirter) |
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| 19:21.11 | dexthageek | Running etch is it possible to install python-mysqldb for python 2.5 |
| 19:21.12 | Kerri | \amethyst: nano -r 52 file? |
| 19:21.22 | \amethyst | Kerri: yes |
| 19:21.35 | dexthageek | apt will only install if I install python2.4 as well :( |
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| 19:22.54 | Kerri | thanks \amethyst !! |
| 19:23.08 | nootoyahora | Titan8990, some ideas? |
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| 19:24.25 | Titan8990 | nootoyahora, google says reinstall openoffice |
| 19:25.23 | nootoyahora | I have done it, at least partially, openoffice in debian is so fragmented that it is not easy to know waht do I have installed... do you know owhich packages should I remove? |
| 19:25.49 | xlotlu__ | spammer .... |
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| 19:26.08 | abrotman | xlotlu__: thanks |
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| 19:28.13 | TTimo | well lvm was in the initrd on that other host, and still didn't mount the root, so I'm just reinstalling and putting / on a regular partition |
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| 19:28.52 | nootoyahora | Titan8990, do you know which packages is openoffice distributed on? |
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| 19:29.26 | markybob | nootoyahora openoffice.org |
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| 19:30.45 | nootoyahora | markybob, let's try it... and let's see if openoffice calc and others get removed... |
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| 19:32.16 | iluminator101 | i get this error with my scanner on debian /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules |
| 19:32.37 | nootoyahora | markybob, apt-get remove openoffice.org does not remove anything... |
| 19:32.43 | iluminator101 | scanner is a brother mfc 7420 |
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| 19:33.07 | markybob | nootoyahora, it's a metapackage. what exactly are you trying to do? (i just got here) |
| 19:33.08 | stew | nootoyahora: after that, "apt-get autoremove" might remove a bunch more |
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| 19:33.19 | stew | nootoyahora: or use aptitude, which would remove the dependencies automatically |
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| 19:34.02 | nootoyahora | stew wasn't it that apt-get used to make all of tht automatically? I found aptitude's interface confusing |
| 19:34.36 | j_14 | nootoyahora: you can use aptitude from the command line, just like apt-get |
| 19:34.52 | stew | nootoyahora: i mean "aptitude remove openoffice.org", not necessarily using the aptitude frontend. with apt-get it is not completely automatic, you have to run "apt-get autoremove" |
| 19:34.57 | nootoyahora | j_14, it is confusing, as I said |
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| 19:35.08 | AimHere | I find that apt-get synaptic is one of the first things I type in a new debian install |
| 19:35.27 | stew | nootoyahora: "aptitude remove openoffice.org" should be no more confusing than "apt-get remove openoffice.org" |
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| 19:36.24 | nootoyahora | running it, but it is not uninstallaing thinks like oodraw and oowriter so... |
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| 19:37.23 | stew | nootoyahora: what does "aptitude search openoffice.org-writer" return in first column for "openoffice.org-writer"? |
| 19:37.31 | nootoyahora | markybob, I'm rtying to make openoffice work again from my last update (debian testing) |
| 19:38.00 | stew | nootoyahora: oh, wait, if you are trying to make openoffice.org work, then reomving it is not likely to help |
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| 19:38.28 | nootoyahora | stew, I supossed that |
| 19:38.28 | markybob | nootoyahora, what doesnt work now? do you have an error? |
| 19:38.46 | nootoyahora | markybob, yes one minute telephone |
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| 19:39.35 | stew | nootoyahora: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search '~i~nopenoffice.org'" ? |
| 19:41.49 | markybob | nootoyahora, you're in good hands with stew...i g/g. good luck |
| 19:42.04 | stew | leave my hands alone |
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| 19:44.50 | asg | stew: that sounded very Floydish |
| 19:45.08 | stew | now I want some pudding |
| 19:45.13 | EvilGuru | What is the best way to attach a stack trae to a bug? I am quite new to the bug-reporting-by-email thing |
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| 19:45.37 | stew | EvilGuru: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 19:46.02 | stew | EvilGuru: wait, do you have the stacktrace and just don't know how to attach it? or do you need help actually getting the stacktrace? |
| 19:46.13 | asg | stew: you can't have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat |
| 19:46.24 | EvilGuru | stew: I've got it |
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| 19:46.43 | EvilGuru | Just don't know if it is okay to plump it and my xorg/kdm log files into the report mail |
| 19:46.43 | stew | EvilGuru: just email it to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 19:46.54 | queso_ | Package vim-nox doesn't exist for Debian 3.1. Any idea what the correct package name would be for console-only vim for that version of Debian? I can't find a package list on the debian.org site for Debian 3.1. Thanks :) |
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| 19:47.21 | stew | EvilGuru: if its very large, you could send it as an attachment |
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| 19:49.23 | EvilGuru | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/428662 is the bug, guess there is a similar deb report |
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| 19:51.45 | dexthageek | I figured it out. Installed mysql-python from source :) |
| 19:52.11 | EvilGuru | Annoying bug to track down as I was convinced that pammount was causing it |
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| 19:53.52 | Spida | is there a difference between the gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi from emdebian and the gcc shipped with the gnuarm toolchain? |
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| 19:55.44 | robd | Hey guys |
| 19:56.10 | adb | Spida, /msg dpkg arm |
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| 19:56.50 | robd | Anyone here using 802.3ad bonding? (options bonding mode=4) |
| 19:57.31 | nootoyahora | stew, http://pastebin.com/d4a64ab6e |
| 19:57.47 | Spida | adb: I am not trying to run linux on ar, I am just trying to compile anything ("hello world" in my case) for arm |
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| 19:57.54 | robd | I seem to be stuck with 1gbps throughput though |
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| 19:58.12 | robd | or at least iperf won't send more than 1gbps of traffic |
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| 19:58.48 | Spida | everybody seems to suggest the gnuarm.org toolchain, but I'd like something in a .deb.... |
| 19:58.49 | fignewman | what's the aptitude equiv of 'dpkg --purge --pending' ? Now that dselect is partially broken in sid, I'm trying to force myself to like aptitude. |
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| 20:06.43 | colblood | im getting an error: "can't access tty; Job control turned off |
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| 20:06.49 | colblood | any ideas to how to solve this? |
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| 20:10.36 | _Trinit_ | hi all |
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| 20:11.19 | catfive1 | ok here's a dumb question: how do i tell what webserver is running? |
| 20:12.00 | catfive1 | i've got hosted services running, and can get a blank page at http://host, but apache isn't installed |
| 20:12.18 | TTimo | # netstat -nptl | grep 80 |
| 20:12.25 | TTimo | search the process that's listening on 80 |
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| 20:12.39 | TTimo | then # ls -1l /proc/<pid> |
| 20:12.49 | TTimo | to learn a bit more about what it is |
| 20:12.59 | catfive1 | huh... nothin |
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| 20:13.55 | inckie | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 20:13.55 | inckie | kernel? |
| 20:14.02 | _Trinit_ | is there a proxy manager avaiable? Epiphany doesn't pick up on export http_proxy="nameofproxy:port" |
| 20:14.22 | inckie | im installing vmware server and getting above question |
| 20:14.22 | inckie | om debian lenny |
| 20:14.25 | inckie | vmware server 2 |
| 20:14.53 | _Trinit_ | should I log out hten bcak in? or should I write it to /etc/environment , then logout/in? |
| 20:15.18 | colblood | im getting an error: "can't access tty; Job control turned off |
| 20:15.53 | catfive1 | ok thanks anyway TTimo, i was worred about conflicts with an apache install, but everything seems ok |
| 20:16.05 | catfive1 | good command to know, appreciate it |
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| 20:16.36 | asg | colblood: read the manpage for the shell you are using and find out how to turn job control on |
| 20:16.54 | colblood | ehm, not that skilled :/ |
| 20:17.19 | catsup | the shell is trying to turn job control on |
| 20:17.48 | catsup | but it can't access the tty, therefore it can't. probably because devpts is not mounted |
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| 20:18.03 | colblood | no idea how to mount it/solve that |
| 20:18.11 | catsup | type mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
| 20:18.22 | catsup | actually just type mount /dev/pts |
| 20:18.33 | catsup | since you'll have an entry in fstab |
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| 20:21.33 | badiane1 | I was reading this article and wondered if you guys would be interested. A lot of people accept the defaults. |
| 20:21.33 | badiane1 | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7547/1.html |
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| 20:25.38 | _Trinit_ | isn't i[i[hany supoed to respond to environment proxy variables? |
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| 20:26.54 | LuCasn | my lenny system has no /etc/syslog.conf. is that normal? |
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| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | LuCasn: /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 20:27.48 | Tired | !tell LuCasn -about apt-file |
| 20:27.50 | Tired | mine has one |
| 20:28.20 | ma3x | has anyone experienced css layout looking weird with firefox static version? |
| 20:28.40 | ma3x | guess i'd have to start use iceweasel again |
| 20:28.50 | Tired | but then for me "dpkg -l \*sys\*log\*" probably shows something different than for you |
| 20:28.59 | LuCasn | from the entries in rsyslog.conf I understand that it indeed does also control local loggin? |
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| 20:29.44 | _Trinit_ | hm, apt proxy settings |
| 20:29.45 | Tramp | LuCasn: man rsyslogd to see, what the "r" stands for |
| 20:29.56 | jelly-home | rTFM? |
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| 20:30.08 | Tramp | ... or is supposed to stand for |
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| 20:30.37 | mebus | Hi ! Does anyone know why I get this error from Amarok in Debian Squeeze: http://pastebin.ca/1586624 ? |
| 20:30.43 | karme | should udf work out of the box? i have a dvd here and get: "udf: udf_read_inode(ino 65262) failed !bh" and "UDF-fs: No partition found (1)" |
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| 20:32.53 | karme | that same dvd works on windows :-( |
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| 20:37.24 | BackLash|TheFly | ^^ my first practical use c program http://www.pastebin.ca/1586649 |
| 20:37.24 | BackLash|TheFly | small and simple but im oh so happy it works |
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| 20:39.06 | LuCasn | can i use a more recent kernel than the default 2.6.26 in my lenny installation? for example the 2.6.30? or can that get me in module trouble or something? |
| 20:39.56 | sepult | yes |
| 20:40.01 | enmerkar | LuCasn: sure. to build your own /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:40.06 | sepult | it can get you in module trouble |
| 20:40.32 | sepult | the recent modules will though mostly be backwards compatible, or |
| 20:40.32 | sepult | so one hopes |
| 20:40.50 | sepult | though i have seen some args not being processed properly |
| 20:41.04 | sepult | telling me some sockets were not found or so |
| 20:41.13 | LuCasn | i got physical access to the machine, so I should always be able to boot the old kernel |
| 20:41.17 | sepult | i mean some module variables |
| 20:41.19 | _Trinit_ | dos anyone know of the name of the package that refers to the Gnome Network Proxy utility? |
| 20:41.21 | LuCasn | thanks for the hints |
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| 20:43.02 | sepult | LuCasn: but actually think of it, i mean what use is a new |
| 20:43.02 | sepult | kernel, if the accompanying packages using those modules won't be new |
| 20:43.02 | sepult | too, since the new modules properties are not fully understnd by the |
| 20:43.02 | sepult | old packages using that new module |
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| 20:43.24 | dkr | heh, he types too fast |
| 20:43.36 | markybob | no, he uses enter too often |
| 20:43.39 | LuCasn | you got a point |
| 20:43.48 | LuCasn | i should probably upgrade to testing |
| 20:44.04 | j_14 | LuCasn: you can also install 2.6.30 in lenny from backport.org |
| 20:44.36 | bipolar | I need help building a package control file. I am forking a debian package foo and adding functionaliy. I'm calling my package foo-bar. I need packages that require foo to accept foo-bar as meeting the requirement for foo. Do I use a Provides: foo line in my control file to do that? |
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| 20:46.34 | LuCasn | another question: all my video outputs are broken, but i guess the card still tries to output something. can I somehow turn the video output off in order to save energy? does unloading the "output" module achieve that? |
| 20:46.42 | iuri | hi there, i have an old install of debian etch and all the repos on sources.list don't work anymore. where can i get valid ones |
| 20:47.00 | abrotman | iuri: put them in a pastebin |
| 20:47.47 | iuri | http://pastebin.com/m5d16fa9e |
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| 20:50.10 | jron | I'm playing with an HP thinclient that uses debian etch... the flash contains a dd dump of the flash drive which I've moved to another linux machine to mount... |
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| 20:50.58 | karme | maybe the dvd/or udf fs is slightly deffect and windows is just more tolerant in that case - using dares i could extract the files i am interested in |
| 20:51.01 | jron | the dump contains 3 partitions, one of which is read only... is there any way to change this? |
| 20:51.38 | jron | I should say the flash utility contains the dd dump |
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| 20:52.33 | mazpe | I installed xorg (aptitude install xserver-xorg).. ran Xorg -configure yet the system seems to be missing startx. |
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| 20:54.20 | \amethyst | mazpe: xserver-xorg is just the server.. startx is in package xinit |
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| 20:54.29 | mazpe | ah |
| 20:54.45 | \amethyst | mazpe: you probably want the 'xorg' package |
| 20:55.26 | j_14 | mazpe: install the xorg package |
| 20:55.31 | mazpe | just did. |
| 20:55.32 | mazpe | thanks. |
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| 20:56.06 | mazpe | :) |
| 20:56.16 | mazpe | any recomendation on desktop manager? |
| 20:56.41 | iuri | abrotman, did you see them in pastebin? |
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| 21:00.33 | roe_ | does anyone have any good suggests to evaluate over a period of time if a machine is IO, memory,cpu limited? vmstat doesn't seem to take me quite far enough |
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| 21:01.32 | karme | roe_: sysstat |
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| 21:01.50 | BackLash|TheFly | you could write a program in c on a while loop every usec for a day |
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| 21:02.02 | BackLash|TheFly | lol but i dont wanna program it lol |
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| 21:03.03 | roe_ | BackLash|TheFly, it seems like a common enough request to not have to re-invent something, I will take a look at sysstat |
| 21:03.22 | BackLash|TheFly | right right :) |
| 21:05.49 | mazpe | gnome vs kde? |
| 21:06.03 | BackLash|TheFly | xfce |
| 21:06.04 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
| 21:06.15 | BackLash|TheFly | or gnome if i gotta choose between the two |
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| 21:06.49 | BackLash|TheFly | KDE = fat kid with a flat of twinkies at his disposal |
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| 21:07.08 | mazpe | i rather something slim and fast |
| 21:07.12 | mazpe | but pretty |
| 21:07.13 | BackLash|TheFly | xfce |
| 21:07.20 | BackLash|TheFly | slim fast functional and pretty |
| 21:07.23 | roe_ | windows |
| 21:07.26 | roe_ | ducks |
| 21:07.32 | mazpe | how about enlightment? |
| 21:07.34 | BackLash|TheFly | -.- boo this man |
| 21:07.38 | simonrvn | /kick roe_ |
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| 21:07.49 | mazpe | i remember using that back in the days |
| 21:07.51 | BackLash|TheFly | lol i dont know enlightenment i havnt used it |
| 21:07.55 | babilen | mazpe: have a look at: fluxbox, xfce, wmii, xmonad, awesome et al |
| 21:08.08 | mazpe | fluxbox! thats a name i remember |
| 21:08.13 | BackLash|TheFly | cough "xfce" cough |
| 21:08.14 | simonrvn | mazpe: it's certainly lighter than the big 2, and xfce compares pretty well with it. lxde is ok too. |
| 21:08.38 | simonrvn | there's openbox and that gang, and then there's the tiling wms |
| 21:09.02 | babilen | mazpe: although most of them are not "desktop managers" but rather "window managers" |
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| 21:09.09 | mazpe | correct |
| 21:09.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !cough |
| 21:09.23 | BackLash|TheFly | if you wanna go REALLY small you can use TWM (Trivial Window Manager) but its ugly |
| 21:09.24 | simonrvn | !kick jpinx-eeepc |
| 21:09.24 | dpkg | kicks jpinx-eeepc in the ass. |
| 21:09.36 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 21:09.44 | simonrvn | heehee |
| 21:09.58 | rvsjoen | roe_: also there is atsar |
| 21:10.01 | mazpe | well i just need something light i can run my windows kvm from |
| 21:10.05 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm getting a load of xruns from jackd since I updated to a 2.6.30 kernel, what settings do I need to use to stop this massive xrun load? |
| 21:10.16 | BackLash|TheFly | i still say xfce is the peaceful medium between pretty and small |
| 21:10.21 | mazpe | i'll guess i'll give xfce a try |
| 21:10.40 | BackLash|TheFly | so its "pretty small" |
| 21:10.43 | BackLash|TheFly | ducks |
| 21:10.45 | catsup | twm is classic |
| 21:11.01 | simonrvn | and fugly |
| 21:11.04 | catsup | everything about its look says unix |
| 21:11.07 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah fugly for sure |
| 21:11.08 | catsup | it's like a model t ford |
| 21:11.11 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:11.15 | catsup | beautiful & timeless |
| 21:11.16 | BackLash|TheFly | more like the a |
| 21:11.18 | BackLash|TheFly | :D |
| 21:11.26 | roe_ | rvsjoen, I will look at that as well |
| 21:11.43 | mazpe | xfce4? |
| 21:11.46 | BackLash|TheFly | yup |
| 21:11.46 | roe_ | looks like iostat has a cacti module, which would make analyzing results easier |
| 21:11.52 | BackLash|TheFly | thats what i use |
| 21:11.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:11.59 | mazpe | and goodies |
| 21:12.17 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah its really portable and has a lot of addons |
| 21:12.22 | simonrvn | goodie, you can sort through that see what you want |
| 21:12.26 | simonrvn | goodies* |
| 21:13.17 | BackLash|TheFly | i completely removed gnome from my computer |
| 21:13.25 | BackLash|TheFly | that thing is huuuge |
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| 21:13.49 | mazpe | :) |
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| 21:14.55 | simonrvn | running gnome right now, but i go for xfce and/or openbox usually |
| 21:14.57 | BackLash|TheFly | and about remaking things that already exist i made a gains calculator when excel exists :p |
| 21:15.12 | jetscreamer | icewm>* |
| 21:15.28 | BackLash|TheFly | sorry that was a delayed response to a comment waaaaaaay back |
| 21:15.30 | simonrvn | another classic |
| 21:16.01 | jetscreamer | i like my custom theme |
| 21:16.13 | jetscreamer | that i made |
| 21:16.16 | simonrvn | ooh custom |
| 21:16.20 | BackLash|TheFly | hasnt gotten into modding out his xfce but its pretty on its own |
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| 21:17.01 | jetscreamer | anybody know exactly 'why' xorg is broken in sid? ok not 'why' but 'what' |
| 21:17.26 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: dunno, but downgrading works. bts |
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| 21:17.52 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: what i got was a segfaulting radeon driver |
| 21:17.54 | BackLash|TheFly | lol yeah i wouldnt go unstable :) i hear squeeze is good |
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| 21:18.20 | _Trinit_ | k ,Ive had it. FF is way too slow on my hardware and epiphany just doesn't listen to the http_proxy setting |
| 21:18.33 | jetscreamer | i'm using ati/radeon ... no idea what happens, all i get is a black screen can't even vt switch |
| 21:18.39 | jetscreamer | no biggie |
| 21:18.46 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm getting a load of xruns from jackd since I updated to a 2.6.30 kernel, what settings do I need to use to stop this massive xrun load? |
| 21:18.49 | BackLash|TheFly | xorg settings |
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| 21:19.00 | simonrvn | _Trinit_: epiphany ha s proxy settings in gconf |
| 21:19.04 | simonrvn | has |
| 21:19.33 | BackLash|TheFly | #radeonhd has good support if you dont want to go proprietary |
| 21:19.43 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: yup, i was getting that too. i got squeeze's xserver-xorg and -common |
| 21:19.43 | BackLash|TheFly | cough "support opensource" cough |
| 21:19.47 | jetscreamer | well i used to be able to vt switch BackLash|TheFly |
| 21:19.55 | _Trinit_ | gconf? Thanks I'll read up on it. But about:confog shows it seems to have picked up on my desired changes just not acting on it. |
| 21:20.18 | jetscreamer | till the 'upgrade' |
| 21:20.18 | _Trinit_ | I'll look into it anyway |
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| 21:20.33 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: life with sid, eh, hehe |
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| 21:20.49 | jetscreamer | yeh..like i said, no biggie, i don't use it :) |
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| 21:21.22 | g00se_ | thinks 'about:confog' would be the sort of thing the more intelligent IE troll would come out with |
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| 21:22.12 | \amethyst | g00se: wouldn't that be the Registry Editor? |
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| 21:23.16 | g00se | Yes, we never know whether that's regedit32.exe or regedit.exe. Perish the thought of regedit64.exe |
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| 21:30.17 | _Trinit_ | simonrvn: I don't se gconf in my menu system. I'm running LXDE, so what's the executable called? gconf or gvonf2 don't evoke anything |
| 21:30.27 | _Trinit_ | simonrvn: it installed though |
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| 21:31.02 | simonrvn | gconf-editor, it's a gnome thing.. |
| 21:31.57 | _Trinit_ | ah, I dno't have that package |
| 21:32.49 | bipolar | I need help building a package control file. I am forking a debian package foo and adding functionaliy. I'm calling my package foo-bar. I need packages that require foo to accept foo-bar as meeting the requirement for foo. Do I use a Provides: foo line in my control file to do that? |
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| 21:33.46 | simonrvn | if it really does provide foo yes you use that |
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| 21:34.26 | simonrvn | AMAP you should point to the virtual package if one exists |
| 21:34.50 | mazpe | to connect to X from my windows machine? |
| 21:34.56 | simonrvn | afk |
| 21:34.59 | BackLash|TheFly | damnit cable guys back |
| 21:35.06 | BackLash|TheFly | gets ready for random disconnects |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | maybe you should shut down your PC ? |
| 21:35.45 | bipolar | simonrvn: the real pakage name is libfuse2 and I have libfuse2-gluster which is just the libfuse2 package with a patch for better gluster support. |
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| 21:36.34 | bipolar | 'apt-cache show libfuse2-gluster' lists "Provides: libfuse2" |
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| 21:38.01 | bipolar | but trying to install libglusterfs0 [Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdb4.6, libfuse2 (>= 2.6), libibverbs1 (>= 1.1.2)] doesn't work becouse it complains it needs libfuse2. |
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| 21:40.55 | abrotman | bipolar: are oyu mixing versions of debian ? |
| 21:41.13 | bipolar | abrotman: nope. all etch. I built both packages. |
| 21:41.17 | robin_sz | hi .. is it just me .. or has mod-proxy-xml gone walk about from lenny? |
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| 21:43.03 | robin_sz | checks behind the sofa |
| 21:43.04 | bipolar | abrotman: actualy... the gluster2 package i backported from sid, but built on etch. |
| 21:43.31 | bipolar | abrotman: I used the sid packge as a template to build a more up to date 2.0.6 package. |
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| 21:43.45 | robin_sz | older versions of debian seem to have had libappache-mod-proxy-xml, lenny seems to have mislaid it :( |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | all .. etch? |
| 21:44.21 | abrotman | bipolar: but etch doesn't have a 2.7 libc6 |
| 21:44.21 | robin_sz | s/older/at least one older/ |
| 21:44.26 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 21:44.28 | judd | abrotman: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-26 |
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| 21:45.09 | bipolar | abrotman: it's all built on etch. :\ |
| 21:45.16 | bipolar | hmm |
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| 21:47.17 | bipolar | abrotman: this is how libglusterfs0 gets it's depends: Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 21:48.45 | bipolar | abrotman: I googled those expressions and from what I understood it was an automatic thing inside the debian build system |
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| 21:48.56 | bipolar | abrotman: am I misunderstanding how they work? |
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| 21:59.17 | bipolar | abrotman: sorry... I was confused. This is lenny. that took me way to long to figure out. |
| 21:59.26 | bipolar | my other servers are etch |
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| 21:59.45 | abrotman | judd: versions libfuse2 |
| 21:59.46 | judd | abrotman: libfuse2 -- etch: 2.5.3-4.4 etch-backports: 2.7.1-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.7.4-1.1 sid: 2.7.4-2 squeeze: 2.7.4-2 |
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| 22:00.11 | _Trinit_ | simonrvn: thanks. gconf's a little terse and assumes things revolve around gnome, powerful though but the imporatn thing is that I got it working! |
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| 22:00.30 | martianlobster | I am looking for a flag for cp, that will just print out what it would do, but not really do anything. I thought it was -q or --query, but I can't find it on the man page. Does anyone know the correct name of the flag? |
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| 22:01.05 | bipolar | abrotman: so I took the fuse source package, renamed it fuse-gluster, patched it with gluster patches, and built it. |
| 22:01.46 | g00se | netstat seems to have started talking something Finnish-like for some reason. aptitude reinstall hasn't improved the sitation. Short of talking a crash course in Nordic languages what should i try? |
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| 22:04.21 | martianlobster | I can't find anthything at all like --query in the cp documentation. I must be thinking about something other than gnu cp |
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| 22:06.06 | bipolar | abrotman: the glusterfs package (from sid) control file has Standards-Version: 3.8.2 while the fuse packages (from lenny) have Standards-Version: 3.8.0 |
| 22:06.16 | bipolar | could that be causing this kind of problem? |
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| 22:08.34 | colblood | getting this error upon boot: |
| 22:08.35 | colblood | mounting /dev/sdb1 on /root failed: no such device |
| 22:09.28 | bipolar | well, I lowered it to the lenny version, and I'm rebuilding the package... |
| 22:09.52 | bipolar | colblood: what did you do? |
| 22:10.05 | colblood | installed two drives in raid |
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| 22:10.26 | valdyn | colblood: your drives probably got reordered |
| 22:10.35 | colblood | probably, how can i fix it? |
| 22:10.36 | valdyn | colblood: maybe its sdc1 now |
| 22:10.39 | bipolar | then it's not /dev/sd* it's /dev/md... iirc |
| 22:10.48 | bipolar | colblood: is this a fresh install? |
| 22:10.55 | colblood | nope, older one |
| 22:11.22 | colblood | and yeah, i think i accidently re-ordered sata orders |
| 22:11.24 | bipolar | so you installed new, additional drives in a software raid? |
| 22:11.37 | colblood | no, hardware raid |
| 22:11.49 | bipolar | colblood: oh ok |
| 22:11.57 | colblood | but the OS disk is on a channel set, where i might have changed the order |
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| 22:12.21 | colblood | is it possible to just try them out one by one, to get it to work? |
| 22:12.33 | bipolar | yep.... change the root=/dev/sdb1 in grub to something else. otherwise boot a livecd and see what they are. |
| 22:12.35 | valdyn | colblood: why wouldnt it be possible |
| 22:12.50 | colblood | possible as a solution i mean |
| 22:13.04 | valdyn | colblood: only changing grub could be easier |
| 22:13.26 | valdyn | colblood: or only changing grub could be not sufficient, we dont know your complete setup |
| 22:14.08 | valdyn | colblood: maybe you want to reference disks by ID in the future |
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| 22:16.44 | g00se | Hmm, maybe it's Estonian |
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| 22:17.22 | bipolar | grrrr.... that didn't help |
| 22:18.21 | Spec | !uupgrade |
| 22:18.27 | Spec | err |
| 22:18.28 | Spec | !uupdate |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 22:18.32 | g00se | !et |
| 22:18.33 | dpkg | i heard et is Ethiopia |
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| 22:20.07 | chellomere | I'd expect that factoid to talk about E.T., but oh well. |
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| 22:24.27 | incredimike | when some packages are installed for the first time you are prompted for certain config (like either to run proftpd as a deamon or via init.d) .. how to i remove a package so installation prompts for those config values again? |
| 22:24.38 | xeon-enouf | ok, so i do /msg ALIS list #*security* (and same for #*www*) and got nothing interesting (except _maybe_ #security), but i'm looking for information about IW and Encryption certificates and "Warning : Contains unauthenticated content" (mouse over status bar icon, which is red with a !) and "Owner: This website does not supply ownership information" -- |
| 22:24.44 | xeon-enouf | and (under Technical Details) "Connection Partially encrypted .... yaddayadda" |
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| 22:26.06 | xeon-enouf | i have to mention, i'm using Adblock and Flashblock and NoScript, and IW Preferences are set to allow all Cookies for session only, and i have the site in question on the Whitelist |
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| 22:26.24 | llimeht | xeon-enouf: sounds like a website that claims to be https but loads some images via http |
| 22:26.29 | BackLash|TheFly | 1/11th of the way done reading this book <.< *yawn* |
| 22:26.51 | Spec | firebug'll tell you |
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| 22:28.19 | pickcoder | xeon-enouf: the unauth'd content is probably a google/etc tracking code "image" |
| 22:28.42 | g00se | is glad to report the problem is 'solved'. Deleted the Estonian locale |
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| 22:30.23 | xeon-enouf | llimeht: aye, indeed .. and you knwo what stinks, not only am i allowing almost all images; except for this stupid overall background image (that obscures all the text), and also all favicon.ico, but i still cannot see all the input boxes/fields (where you either enter information, or click),.. i have to play hide-and-seek-roaming with mouse hovering and watch my status bar :-( |
| 22:30.44 | pickcoder | some people put those in footers and don't consider what happens in security-aware browsers when SSL is enabled and some of the included/linked content is statically set to non-SSL |
| 22:31.07 | xeon-enouf | pickcoder: i thought so too - however, the site was redone recently and it was never an issue prior to then :-( |
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| 22:31.39 | Spec | pickcoder: i usually end up proxying stuff from google on through to the client for full-ssl-goodness. |
| 22:32.01 | xeon-enouf | it's my cell phone's providors site, and it's nasty - atleast before, i could make due ok |
| 22:32.01 | pickcoder | so scan the code for http:/ content |
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| 22:32.10 | pickcoder | I just deploy the SSL version only. It's tracking code so it should be encrypted anyway if it's a public/e-commerce site |
| 22:32.12 | mesa_booger | i can't believe stew would actually back up a gentoo fanboy. but there you are. life's rich tapestry etc |
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| 22:34.31 | mutable | Hello. When building source package, from which directory is `rules' file invoked? |
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| 22:34.46 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 22:34.47 | dpkg | the makefile that's used when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. Also ask me about <hold> <package recompile> <source>. |
| 22:35.22 | mutable | !source |
| 22:35.23 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> |
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| 22:36.04 | mutable | I'll rather try echoing it (working directory) ... |
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| 22:38.05 | xeon-enouf | llimeht: i do have noscript blocking google-analytics.com () .. but i _think_ i tried allowing and refreshing, or whatever |
| 22:38.49 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: tell me in pm if it's that importatn to you - too much scroll back to know wth you're talking about :-p |
| 22:39.20 | llimeht | mutable: it's basically run as "make -f debian/rules binary" but in practice you may as well use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild for these things. |
| 22:39.34 | xeon-enouf | s/make -f/fakeroot/ |
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| 22:39.56 | mutable | OK, thank you. |
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| 22:41.33 | xeon-enouf | i cannot for the life of me comprehend why _some/most_ items availble for clicking are seen, yet only some aren;t .. and it does appear quite random, save for the Banner crap area |
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| 22:43.13 | xeon-enouf | why is the internet still so horribly broken? :-( ... |
| 22:43.13 | _Trinit_ | has anyone tried sid with the Rage 128 video card? |
| 22:43.44 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: they work; man ati, man r128, man radeon or something |
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| 22:44.04 | archiebenedict | am i hallucinating, or are there really 5 dvd's for debian? |
| 22:44.06 | _Trinit_ | yeah r128 |
| 22:44.09 | xeon-enouf | yeah |
| 22:44.24 | xeon-enouf | archiebenedict: you only need netinstall to install |
| 22:44.30 | _Trinit_ | on testing they didn't |
| 22:44.36 | _Trinit_ | rather, they don't |
| 22:44.43 | xeon-enouf | archiebenedict: it's all the pkgs, some 20K or so |
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| 22:45.05 | adb | _Trinit_, on lenny r128 is broken on powerpc |
| 22:45.19 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: well, is't that more of an overall X issue? |
| 22:45.25 | _Trinit_ | adb: don't I know it |
| 22:45.31 | archiebenedict | oh wow. thats amazing. that makes my imaginary project like a million times harder |
| 22:45.34 | _Trinit_ | true |
| 22:45.38 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: does vesa work? |
| 22:45.48 | _Trinit_ | but Debian does apply their own patches and work arounds |
| 22:46.08 | xeon-enouf | for specifics ask #debian-x then .. or something |
| 22:46.26 | _Trinit_ | yep , vesa does apparently work but that makes a 400 mhs computer slow to a crawl |
| 22:46.46 | _Trinit_ | I lived and tried it |
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| 22:47.06 | Gata_MiMoSa | hola soy de espaƱa |
| 22:47.11 | _Trinit_ | Makes testing utterly unusuable |
| 22:47.12 | dkr | !es |
| 22:47.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:47.24 | iluminator101 | i am trying to install brother mfc 7420 scanner this is error i am getting when i xsane failed to open device brother2;bus3.dev1 |
| 22:47.24 | iluminator101 | error during device I/O |
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| 22:47.41 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: what exactly is the prob? and have you checked BTS? |
| 22:47.59 | llimeht | _Trinit_: thank you for finding bugs in the testing suite. Please install lenny if you want something that has more polish and aren't prepared for a bumpy ride. |
| 22:48.01 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: try as root |
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| 22:48.18 | iluminator101 | try what as root |
| 22:48.19 | _Trinit_ | the problem in testing is that the r128 isn't picked up. Screen not found if I recall. I have a log someone arond here |
| 22:48.28 | _Trinit_ | if you want to see it |
| 22:48.46 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: okay |
| 22:48.51 | iluminator101 | thanks xeon-enouf |
| 22:49.07 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: just enough to tell us it works or not |
| 22:49.09 | _Trinit_ | I'm happy with Lenny's stability I just miss using cutting edge programs |
| 22:49.47 | _Trinit_ | and I'd upgrade if I knew for sure that X would work with some form of acceleration |
| 22:50.01 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: try sid/exper (if yuo dare, and you'll get no support mostly from us), build your own X, patch the driver ...or suffer :-p |
| 22:50.17 | _Trinit_ | lol |
| 22:50.47 | xeon-enouf | _Trinit_: oh - just saw your described problem ..ok, hrm |
| 22:51.08 | _Trinit_ | xeon-enouf: I carely get support from client develoerps on account that the apps in Lenny are so old. |
| 22:51.18 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: xsane opens up but the scan button does not work |
| 22:51.19 | xeon-enouf | Screen not found cou;ld be dbus/hal/udev or even perms related .. hrm |
| 22:52.38 | iluminator101 | how do i enable xsane to open up in as a user |
| 22:52.41 | _Trinit_ | but yeah, I remember living with sid and even testing was like, one day a program works just fine and another day it doesn't. It's like having a moody computer |
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| 22:53.08 | stew | that's why I only upgrade packages on friday night. then I have until monday morning to get things working again! :) |
| 22:53.21 | mutable | !configure |
| 22:53.22 | Spec | that's why I use oldstable! |
| 22:53.25 | Spec | :) |
| 22:53.26 | shad0w1e | hey/. anybody know why when I start tomcat via the init script, I end up with 3 instancs? |
| 22:53.35 | shad0w1e | I'm on lenny |
| 22:53.49 | Spec | are you sure all three instances are starting at the same time? |
| 22:53.53 | pipeline | I've been using sid for years. Other than kernel upgrades, never had any real trouble. |
| 22:53.54 | shad0w1e | yea |
| 22:54.04 | shad0w1e | I killed all three, as soon as i fire up the init script ive got 3 |
| 22:54.18 | valdyn | shad0w1e: isnt tomcat a network server? |
| 22:54.23 | shad0w1e | yea so.. |
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| 22:54.29 | _Trinit_ | stew: lol. Now since don't things just work on Debian |
| 22:54.30 | _Trinit_ | ? |
| 22:54.31 | valdyn | shad0w1e: so how can 3 instances share one port? |
| 22:54.41 | shad0w1e | they cant. and it doesnt work, which is the problem |
| 22:54.46 | pipeline | valdyn: it doesn't fork :P |
| 22:54.49 | shad0w1e | but when I run it from starup.sh, its fine |
| 22:54.52 | Spec | shad0w1e: have you tried seeing what the init script is doing by using sh -x ? |
| 22:55.04 | pipeline | shad0w1e: it depends what you configured :) |
| 22:55.10 | shad0w1e | I didnt configure.. |
| 22:55.16 | pipeline | someone did |
| 22:55.22 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: fail to start scanner invalid argument |
| 22:55.23 | shad0w1e | the default install did |
| 22:56.14 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: you're still root? (the issue with as user is; add yourself to sane xsane scanner whatever groups, then logout/login) |
| 22:56.37 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: invalid arg just means you entered command incorrectly |
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| 22:58.34 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: make sure you have any needed modules loaded (for your brother ,make/model ,et - and any possible firmware) (check dmesg | tail, lsmod, etc) - also, make sure udevd, hald, dbus, (and if kde) dcop are all running |
| 22:58.44 | xeon-enouf | s/et/etc/ |
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| 22:59.26 | archiebenedict | is there a way to easily tell if a debian package has debian specific patches? |
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| 23:00.03 | llimeht | archiebenedict: apt-get source packagename; lsdiff -z packagename*.diff.gz |
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| 23:00.26 | llimeht | archiebenedict: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ may also be of interest |
| 23:01.05 | Mitar | is there a way to have patch applied automatically to packages? so that if there is a new version of official package system would rebuild a package from source with applied patch and then update locally installed package with this patched package? |
| 23:01.09 | xeon-enouf | hrm, lsdiff ... something new to me :-) |
| 23:01.31 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: use only your own local repos? |
| 23:01.49 | Mitar | yes, but i would like to automatize this process |
| 23:02.09 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: i guess ... yeah, too much for me to know concisely how to do easily |
| 23:02.34 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: /msg dpkg nmg -- see the mentioned mentors channel? |
| 23:02.35 | Mitar | the problem is not that i would have a problem that official package overwrites my own |
| 23:02.57 | Mitar | but how to automate this |
| 23:02.58 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: well, you can place your version on hold, or similar |
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| 23:03.14 | Mitar | i know, but I would like that a system would keep track of this |
| 23:03.18 | Mitar | of new packages and so on |
| 23:03.21 | xeon-enouf | oor make an equivsfor the official version |
| 23:03.22 | Mitar | and try to patch them |
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| 23:03.31 | Mitar | an if there would be problems i would get a notification |
| 23:03.37 | llimeht | Mitar: that's pretty much impossible to automate because any new version will probably change the build system involved etc. If it were that easy to place new versions in the upgrade, then we'd have python 2.6 etc there already... |
| 23:03.49 | Mitar | ? |
| 23:04.02 | Mitar | very often there is simply a debian/patches directory |
| 23:04.14 | xeon-enouf | well, Debian does it for their own all the time (consider iupstream vs debaina-patched), so must be a way |
| 23:04.28 | llimeht | Mitar: debian/patches is not about new versions of the software though |
| 23:04.30 | Mitar | what is so hard to automate then to extract a source package, add an additional patch there, build a package |
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| 23:05.01 | Mitar | so i am talking about stable packages |
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| 23:05.09 | Mitar | which will probably not change their codebase |
| 23:05.19 | Mitar | but you sometimes need to patch it |
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| 23:05.33 | llimeht | Mitar: so what are you trying to achieve here? I'm really missing the point... |
| 23:05.33 | Mitar | so i would like to have security updates for those pacakges |
| 23:05.42 | Mitar | but also my own patch or two |
| 23:05.59 | Mitar | i would like to see if there is already a system |
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| 23:07.06 | archiebenedict | heheh. that does sound like a tought thing to code. you'd have to probably patch apt so that it does that, and ignores updates to itself or automatically patches itself as well. dont listen to me, i dont even use debian yet |
| 23:07.10 | Mitar | which would check if there are updates avaiable for installed packages, for those updated packages it would check if those installed are patched packages and if they are would automatically try to make an updated package |
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| 23:07.33 | Mitar | s/make/build/ |
| 23:08.06 | Mitar | so there is nothing like that yet? |
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| 23:08.17 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: all i know is the kernel team uses a custom python script to grab upstream source, apply patches and build |
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| 23:08.48 | xeon-enouf | so consider Official as upstream source, in your context |
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| 23:09.08 | Mitar | and this script is where? |
| 23:09.10 | xeon-enouf | i'd still think you'd need your own mirrors |
| 23:09.15 | xeon-enouf | perhaps with svn or git |
| 23:09.31 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: it's available - deep in svn.debian.org |
| 23:09.48 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: it's available - deep in svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/,,/../../../ |
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| 23:10.02 | xeon-enouf | linux2.6/ |
| 23:10.42 | xeon-enouf | but i'd presume you;d need to know how to code python to adjust to your needs ;-) |
| 23:11.03 | Mitar | no problem coding on this side :-) |
| 23:11.17 | Mitar | i would just not like to reinvent a wheel |
| 23:11.26 | Mitar | so this is why i am checking out |
| 23:11.43 | xeon-enouf | ok - let mesee if i can find it |
| 23:11.47 | valdyn | Mitar: this is extremely complicated |
| 23:12.02 | Mitar | why, valdyn? |
| 23:12.11 | llimeht | Mitar: unpacking the source into a git repo and using git-buildpackage might be the easiest way unless there's already a debian/patches setup for you to drop a patch into. |
| 23:12.24 | Mitar | for stable packages which get only security updates ... |
| 23:12.43 | valdyn | Mitar: security can involve and change all kinds of things |
| 23:12.47 | Mitar | yes |
| 23:12.55 | valdyn | Mitar: security fixes even |
| 23:12.58 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: i cant find this /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules |
| 23:13.01 | Mitar | and if it is changed too much i would get an error, that is ok |
| 23:13.09 | Mitar | then i would try to fix it manually |
| 23:13.10 | xeon-enouf | Mitar: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/README.build for anidea |
| 23:13.19 | Mitar | but in other 75 % i would have automatic system |
| 23:13.26 | valdyn | Mitar: you would get an error if you are *lucky* |
| 23:13.37 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: instead i have this 025_libgphoto2.rules is that comparable or ....? |
| 23:13.43 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: hrm, why that exact filename? |
| 23:13.57 | Mitar | if patching fails dpkg-buildpackage also fails |
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| 23:14.02 | xeon-enouf | well, unrelated to scanner things, no? |
| 23:14.05 | iluminator101 | 45-libsane.rules |
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| 23:15.12 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: pastebin 'ps auxf' ; 'dmesg | tail' |
| 23:15.13 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: is 45-libsane.rules same as 025_libgphoto2.rules ?? |
| 23:15.19 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 23:15.54 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: i have here; |
| 23:15.56 | xeon-enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1152 2009-05-06 08:36 z60_libsane-extras.rules |
| 23:15.56 | xeon-enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 55330 2009-06-26 11:48 z60_libsane.rules |
| 23:16.29 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: i never use scanners, so just trying to help best i can |
| 23:17.13 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: and next time; ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 23:17.18 | iluminator101 | i dont either i just want to set it up incase |
| 23:17.24 | xeon-enouf | and look yourself |
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| 23:17.48 | xeon-enouf | i asked you WHY that particularly named file |
| 23:18.21 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d427d42ad |
| 23:18.30 | xeon-enouf | whyare you looking for it? i mean, i have no /path/to/some/app/i-never-installed either |
| 23:19.04 | xeon-enouf | ugh vboxdrv? |
| 23:19.15 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: which debian release? |
| 23:19.22 | iluminator101 | debian sqeeze |
| 23:19.28 | xeon-enouf | and where''sthe real pastebin? |
| 23:19.33 | iluminator101 | vbox virtual box |
| 23:19.42 | xeon-enouf | i know what it is |
| 23:19.52 | xeon-enouf | < xeon-enouf> iluminator101: pastebin 'ps auxf' ; 'dmesg | tail' |
| 23:20.27 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: does lsusb -v show your USB scanner ? |
| 23:20.35 | xeon-enouf | is it USB? |
| 23:20.58 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d774c7e75 |
| 23:21.12 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.24 | xeon-enouf | adb: good call ... |
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| 23:21.47 | xeon-enouf | adb: i have no idea what his ENV is, a VM or not atm |
| 23:22.10 | adb | xeon-enouf, ask him .. |
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| 23:22.26 | iluminator101 | xeon-enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d5ef34d2c |
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| 23:23.11 | valdyn | i think vboxdrv is the host driver |
| 23:23.52 | iluminator101 | this is what i am trying to do step 6 on this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-590793.html |
| 23:24.26 | xeon-enouf | iluminator101: ok, AFAICT, ps auxf looks ok, i guess you're using Gnome, not kde, so forget any dcop, but all else looks loaded properly - unfortuantle;uy dmesg output is lacking andthis keyboard sucks |
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| 23:24.50 | xeon-enouf | adb: iluminator101 are you using vbox now? |
| 23:25.06 | valdyn | wow nice |
| 23:25.15 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: |
| 23:25.19 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 23:25.22 | valdyn | he tells you that he has no idea what hes doing in the preface and you still use his howto |
| 23:25.23 | iluminator101 | no on gnome |
| 23:25.29 | xeon-enouf | hahaha |
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| 23:25.48 | xeon-enouf | ok .. been fun .. gotta run ... bbl |
| 23:26.46 | iluminator101 | well....maps is better than no map even if its the wrong map, with the right mindset you can still get to your destination, goal is better than no goal |
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| 23:27.26 | elik | iluminator101, what?! |
| 23:27.36 | valdyn | iluminator101: hows your printer actually named? |
| 23:27.40 | elik | iluminator101, no information is better than wrong information |
| 23:28.16 | iluminator101 | brother mfc 7420 |
| 23:28.35 | iluminator101 | brother i gotta you this is some piece of machine |
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| 23:30.06 | valdyn | iluminator101: i dont understand what hes doing with this cups wrapper when brother makes downloadable ppds available |
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| 23:31.07 | iluminator101 | valdyn: i dowloaded those i didnt follow his instructions on the printer |
| 23:31.16 | valdyn | iluminator101: ok |
| 23:31.56 | valdyn | iluminator101: then why would you follow step 6 |
| 23:32.10 | iluminator101 | thats differents its for the scanner |
| 23:32.29 | valdyn | iluminator101: ok, i found that part |
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| 23:33.10 | valdyn | iluminator101: i cant verify the lines he added, but i would put those in a seperate file |
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| 23:34.53 | dyek | Hi! If "dpkg -l string_parts*" produces truncated matches, what is the best alternative to get the whole package name? |
| 23:35.54 | llimeht | dyek: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l blah*" or pipe it into something. Or use aptitude search. |
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| 23:37.09 | dyek | llimeht: I like the COLUMNS solution. Thanks! |
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| 23:38.29 | llimeht | dyek: "aptitude search ~nsomething -F%p" is probably even easier -- see the documentation for the -F format specification, but rather than parsing the output you can just format it how you want to begin with. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 23:40.51 | dyek | llimeht: You are right. aptitude's output is even more friendly. I need to use aptitude more... Thank you! |
| 23:41.07 | llimeht | np |
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| 23:47.23 | dyek | Actually, aptitude's output is equivalent to "apt-cache search", so I did know how to get that. Nonetheless, aptitude is still very handy in quite a few instances. |
| 23:49.18 | llimeht | dyek: you can use ~n to search for names only (it would normally search short description too). You can also search for installed status ~i, upgradable ~U etc too. |
| 23:50.08 | dyek | llimeht: In other words, much more powerful. :-) |
| 23:51.08 | llimeht | oh yes. You can combine the searches with install/reinstall/remove etc operations too for even more fun. (e.g. /msg dpkg uninstall everything) |
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| 23:54.12 | domsson | Hey there. I'm a beginner. I just managed to set up debian on a notebook and now trying to figure out how to connect to a WLAN. I just read the manpage for iwconfig but couldn't figure out what to do. Anyone got any good beginners tutorials on their hands by any chance? |
| 23:55.19 | domsson | Oh, maybe I should add that I figured out that my WLAN chip seems to be supported by my kernel, so no need to setup drivers (at least, I think so, lol). |
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| 23:58.00 | karme | domsson: as beginner you might wish to use the network-manager applet from the gnome desktop |
| 23:58.42 | domsson | karme: Well, you could be right, BUT I'm trying to learn as much as possible AND to keep my system as clean as possible. So I'd really love to to this by console only, if possible. :) |
| 23:58.53 | domsson | *to do |
| 23:59.10 | karme | domsson: does that wlan use encryption? |
| 23:59.19 | domsson | karme: It does. |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | domsson: WPA or WEP ? |
| 23:59.49 | domsson | abrotman: WPA2 / AES |
