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| 00:00.01 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 00:00.12 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 00:00.24 | domsson | Yeah, this package is installed. |
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| 00:01.07 | domsson | I'll read those links now. Thanks so far. |
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| 00:01.32 | freeone3000 | I want to print a copy of all commands entered and all output from a particular session into a file. How should I do this? |
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| 00:02.38 | llimeht | freeone3000: look at the "script" utility to record the session to a file |
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| 00:03.33 | Orbixx | How can I load a kernel module? |
| 00:03.34 | freeone3000 | llimeht: Thanks. |
| 00:03.39 | Orbixx | Haven't done this for a long time now. |
| 00:03.41 | freeone3000 | Orbixx: modprobe |
| 00:03.59 | Orbixx | freeone3000: Thanks, can you be a bit more specific? |
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| 00:04.51 | llimeht | freeone3000: note that anything that's a bit more interactive (progress bars, dialogues, mc, aptitude, etc) will fill the script file with lots of funny control characters that aren't so great for printing out. |
| 00:05.07 | freeone3000 | Orbixx: modprobe (module name here) will load the module. There's another option to unload. |
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| 00:05.36 | freeone3000 | llimeht: Of course. Luckily, mine does nothing more advanced than setw(). |
| 00:06.10 | karme | another option is to run a terminal session in screen / emacs |
| 00:06.18 | freeone3000 | Which I'm doing... |
| 00:06.20 | gladii | hi |
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| 00:06.48 | Orbixx | freeone3000: How do I determine what the module name is? |
| 00:07.11 | Orbixx | I have a .ko file which I believe is the module. |
| 00:07.24 | Orbixx | But if I do "modprobe /path/to/file/module.ko" |
| 00:07.28 | Orbixx | it claims it is not found |
| 00:07.29 | freeone3000 | That'd be the name, without the .ko... But there's configuration to be setup first. |
| 00:07.52 | Orbixx | Right, I think said configuration is what I'm missing. |
| 00:07.54 | Orbixx | As I tried modprobe. |
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| 00:09.17 | freeone3000 | I'm out of my depth. They're in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ if that helps. |
| 00:09.29 | Orbixx | Yar, I know where they are :P |
| 00:09.37 | Orbixx | This is the part I'm stuck on, heh. |
| 00:09.40 | Orbixx | Thanks for your help though. |
| 00:10.03 | karme | insmod if you know the path |
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| 00:13.40 | domsson | Okay, I continued with adding the WLAN interface to the /etc/network/interfaces; on startup, when ifup tries to bring the interface up, I get this error twice: "wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801". I don't think I should ignore this, mh? ;) |
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| 00:19.31 | iluminator101 | i am on debian squeeze and i can't find or open gnome-session how would i open it manully as a file |
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| 00:21.28 | abrotman | !tell iluminator101 about apt-file |
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| 00:22.20 | dbbolton | how can i purge all grub2 configs and revert to grub-legacy? |
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| 00:24.33 | abrotman | i'd guess installing grub-legacy would put it back int eh boot sector |
| 00:24.52 | domsson | Ok, google told me that the above error isn't always important; it can be ignored in many cases. Sadly, DHCPDISCOVER fails again and again, ending with "No DHCPOFFERS received". I guess I need some more hints. ;( |
| 00:26.42 | dbbolton | abrotman one would think but that didn't work |
| 00:27.01 | dbbolton | stage1 error 15 file not found |
| 00:27.23 | Tramp | domsson: well, I'd start with iwconfig to check, if you are associated with your AP. |
| 00:27.24 | dbbolton | yet all of my grub2 files are still in /boot/grub, even after i purged grub-pc |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | dbbolton: you did run the update-grub and grub-install ? |
| 00:28.29 | iluminator101 | is there like a gnome-sessions bug on debian squeeze b/z it does not open or is it just me |
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| 00:31.02 | domsson | Tramp: I'm not. |
| 00:33.16 | Tramp | domsson: does "iwlist scan" show your AP? |
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| 00:34.23 | AstralSin | what icon format does gnome require for panel icons in lenny? doesnt seem to recognize xpm, ico, or png |
| 00:34.24 | domsson | Tramp: "iwlist scan" says "No scan results" for wlan0. :0 |
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| 00:35.17 | abrotman | AstralSin: pretty sure PNG works |
| 00:35.37 | Tramp | domsson: you have an AP and it's switched on, right? |
| 00:36.16 | AstralSin | my pngs don't show up in the browse window for some reason :/ |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | AstralSin: i think they have to be the correct size ? |
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| 00:37.23 | domsson | Tramp: Yep. And I know that here are about 10 AP around. |
| 00:37.23 | AstralSin | abrotman: any idea what size that is? |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | AstralSin: look in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ ? |
| 00:37.41 | domsson | Tramp: maybe I should try altering "ap_scan" in my wpa_supplicant.conf to another value? |
| 00:37.53 | AstralSin | abrotman: none of those show up, either |
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| 00:38.20 | Out_Cold | so umm... where the heck are all the good packages? the default debian repo kinda sucks |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | AstralSin: none of what? |
| 00:38.20 | Tramp | domsson: hmm. well. Then my guess would be a driver issue (although you have wlan0). But the closer it gets to hardware the less I know - well, the "iwlist scan" command does not care about that setting (afaiks) |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | Out_Cold: be less vague |
| 00:38.46 | AstralSin | abrotman: none of the icons in the /usr/share/hicolor directory hierarchy |
| 00:38.53 | Out_Cold | abrotman: no xchat, no firefox.. |
| 00:39.01 | abrotman | Out_Cold: you don't have an http source |
| 00:39.29 | Out_Cold | i am pretty certian i do.. as it says http:// right in front of it |
| 00:39.29 | AstralSin | actually, none of the icons in /usr/share/icons show :/ |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | Out_Cold: aptitude update |
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| 00:40.06 | domsson | Tramp: refering to http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi my WLAN interface is supported by the ath5k driver, wich is - reffering to http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k#Installation - included in my kernel. :0 |
| 00:40.25 | Out_Cold | i was using synaptic... but ok |
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| 00:41.44 | Tramp | domsson: I sure believe you - I just can't help anymore. Without association (Layer2) you get not IP address (layer3). Without finding an AP (iwlist scan) you get no Association. So your target now is, to find out why "iwlist scan" does not work - that's the lowest level of my debugging knowledge for wireless issues. |
| 00:42.02 | Out_Cold | is there only 2 repos?? some security garbage and a volitile one? |
| 00:42.34 | AstralSin | hey! i figured it out |
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| 00:42.37 | domsson | Tramp: Well, thanks anyway! I'll try to figure that out. Though I have no clue how. ;) |
| 00:42.38 | AstralSin | turns out i'm just an idiot |
| 00:42.41 | Tramp | domsson: and my educated guess is, that it's either a hardware or a driver issue (but I may be wrong). |
| 00:42.42 | AstralSin | thanks for the help :) |
| 00:42.48 | Tramp | yw |
| 00:43.50 | Out_Cold | well dpkg seems to be pretty useless as well. |
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| 00:44.01 | Out_Cold | anyone care to share what repos they have enabled? |
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| 00:44.21 | abrotman | Out_Cold: put yours in a pastebin .. i asked you that before |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | i already told you what was wrong .. but you insisted that you knew better |
| 00:45.47 | Out_Cold | i actually don't see your comment about pastebin'n anything.. |
| 00:45.52 | Out_Cold | but one moment |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | !tell Out_Cold about mirrors |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | !tell Out_Cold about sources.list |
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| 00:47.41 | Out_Cold | http://pastebin.com/m19de143d |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | yeah .. no http source |
| 00:48.20 | Out_Cold | what the heck are the bottom 2? |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | those are special ones .. not the main ones |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | security updates, and volatile updates |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | where are you geographically ? |
| 00:48.52 | Out_Cold | that's pretty lame that it's not there by default |
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| 00:48.56 | Out_Cold | canada |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | your network wasn't on when you installed, or wasn't functioning in some way |
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| 00:49.31 | abrotman | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main |
| 00:49.41 | Out_Cold | nopee.. it's a usb wifi and the driver wasn't on the dvds by default either |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | add " contrib non-free" to the end of the line if you want stuff from those |
| 00:50.38 | Out_Cold | that's restricted? like java and flash? |
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| 00:51.34 | abrotman | some java packages, and flash isn't in stable officialy anymore .. we'll cover that after you get that line set up and working |
| 00:51.58 | Out_Cold | it's updated |
| 00:51.59 | Out_Cold | i'm not a noob to linux.. just lenny |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | did you install the software you wanted? what else are you looking for? |
| 00:52.33 | Out_Cold | kde 4.3 |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:52.47 | Out_Cold | what? |
| 00:52.52 | Out_Cold | any 4? |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | don't think they've done a backport for that to lenny |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | !tell Out_Cold about kde4 |
| 00:53.07 | Out_Cold | can i build from source? |
| 00:53.24 | domsson | I just figured out that there is a bug with my WLAN interface driver and my kernel version. The debian wiki recommends to upgrade to kernel 2.6.29 via backport (I currently run 2.6.26-2-amd64). I added backport to my sources.list but don't know what to do next. :| |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | Out_Cold: you can try whatever you'd like .. i have no idea if it works |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | isn't a kde user |
| 00:54.11 | Out_Cold | i guess squeeze is a ways off.. |
| 00:54.24 | abrotman | domsson: did you aptitude update ? |
| 00:54.26 | Out_Cold | 2.6.31 kernel? |
| 00:54.35 | domsson | abrotman: I did, some minutes ago. |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | domsson: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-<whatever your CPU is> |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | Out_Cold: only a .30 available via backports.org |
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| 00:56.04 | Out_Cold | ok.. umm... vmware server works well? |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | well, considering i heard it doesn't work yet on .31 ? |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | but anyways .. i've been using it on the .26 in lenny |
| 00:56.58 | Out_Cold | ok.. well i'll mess around a bit more.. thanks for your help |
| 00:57.42 | domsson | abrotman: <whatever your CPU is> translates to "amd64"? (Sorry to be a newbie ;) |
| 00:57.50 | abrotman | domsson: sure, give it a whirl |
| 00:58.04 | domsson | abrotman: Allright, I'll do that right now. |
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| 01:00.34 | domsson | abrotman: *downloading* - so that's all it takes to update the kernel? :0 |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | domsson: to that version .. |
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| 01:01.14 | Out_Cold | !firefox3.5 |
| 01:01.18 | domsson | abrotman: Wow. Ok, done. Do I need to reboot? :) |
| 01:01.32 | domsson | Seems like. |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | domsson: yeah |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | Out_Cold: iceweasel in debian |
| 01:02.13 | Out_Cold | yea just got that |
| 01:02.39 | Out_Cold | i'm already a bit disapointed in my base OS choice :o/ |
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| 01:03.13 | gh0st3r | how do I tell what processor is in a computer from the Cli? |
| 01:03.32 | domsson | abrotman: I just saw that the old kernel is still available in GRUB - so should I "remove" the old kernel? I'm a bit confused. |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | if you want to remove it .. up to you |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | gh0st3r: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | Out_Cold: functionally fine .. |
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| 01:06.06 | KavanS | Out_Cold, are you using debian for a desktop? |
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| 01:06.52 | archiebenedict | whats the url for the debian patches again? |
| 01:08.02 | Arnos | Hi, I have an old laptop that I just finished installing Debian on, it's so old that it's hard to connect to the internet, I want to get it playing audio files, whats the best way to download some packages to do with that and then get them onto the computer by CD? Is there a set of packages I can get that will do the job? |
| 01:08.59 | domsson | abrotman: Great. That kernel update really fixed the WLAN problem. Thanks for your help. :) And to get that clear: removing the old kernel is no problem, as long as the new one works correctly, right? (erm, how to remove the old one? lol) |
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| 01:09.30 | abrotman | domsson: right .. some keep them around in case something goes bananas with your working one .. but it's a personal decision |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | archiebenedict: patches for what ? |
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| 01:09.43 | Out_Cold | KavanS: i am trying to set up a base OS for vmware and a number of other small servers.. |
| 01:09.52 | Out_Cold | **as well as desktop |
| 01:10.14 | KavanS | Out_Cold, ahh...yeah debian is great for that then |
| 01:10.43 | Out_Cold | i had thought so... maybe i'll just get my unsupported apps in the vmware instead |
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| 01:11.00 | KavanS | uhm, not sure what's not supported on debian |
| 01:11.05 | KavanS | I use it for all my servers...works quite well |
| 01:11.07 | Out_Cold | kde 4.3 |
| 01:11.15 | KavanS | ahh use ubuntu if you want that bleeding edge shit |
| 01:11.21 | Out_Cold | lol |
| 01:11.22 | KavanS | use debian if you want a server that's reliable |
| 01:11.29 | Out_Cold | yea ok fair enough |
| 01:11.51 | Out_Cold | i have 2 buntu OSs that need to be in the vmware.. |
| 01:12.14 | Out_Cold | and need to figure out gentoo. |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | Out_Cold: it's not that it's not supported, it's that *stable* doesn't have kde4.3 |
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| 01:12.41 | Out_Cold | yea.. poor choice of words.. |
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| 01:13.33 | abrotman | for instance, squeeze has a mix of 4.2 and 4.3 |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | and sid has 4.3.0 and 4.3.1 |
| 01:14.09 | Out_Cold | sid is newer than squeeze? |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | sid is unstable, not meant for people new to debian |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | stuff breaks |
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| 01:18.32 | Gnurdux | kcd |
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| 01:23.41 | Arnos | is there a way to automatically download a package and all of it's dependency's onto a cd so you can move them to a computer without a net connection? |
| 01:23.51 | jure | aptoncd ? |
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| 01:24.25 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 01:24.25 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 01:26.14 | Arnos | Thank You |
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| 01:26.42 | Livingroom | hey guys how can i look through the contents of two directories that contain similarly-named files and determine based on file size which ones are not duplicates? |
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| 01:27.52 | macrobat | ls -l shows size |
| 01:27.59 | mesa_booger | size isn't everything |
| 01:28.20 | Livingroom | it is, though, if 1.jpg in /folder/whatever is 145k and 1.jpg in /folder/someplace/else is 80k |
| 01:28.43 | mesa_booger | what if they are the same |
| 01:28.48 | Livingroom | they cannot be |
| 01:28.50 | Livingroom | it is impossible |
| 01:28.56 | mesa_booger | size, but different contents |
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| 01:29.03 | Livingroom | one jpg is a full color visa logo and the other is a monochrome |
| 01:29.13 | Livingroom | logic dictates that they not be the same size |
| 01:29.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Livingroom: fdupes ? |
| 01:29.57 | mesa_booger | ok. that certainly makes a difference. but you've only just mentioned this extra restriction |
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| 01:30.07 | Livingroom | ultimately, there's like 3500 files to sort through and only 3 are MIA and need to be found |
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| 01:30.33 | Livingroom | mesa_booger: you're right i'm sorry |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | take an md5sum of each file .. sort and diff |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | which i guess is what fdupes will do anyways :) |
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| 01:32.06 | Livingroom | sweet |
| 01:32.18 | Livingroom | thanks abrotman, glad to see you still around after all these years :) |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | who wha? |
| 01:32.32 | Livingroom | i used to go by the name Cray |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | hides! |
| 01:32.39 | Livingroom | been on here since, oh, bout 1997 |
| 01:32.43 | Livingroom | back when it was openprojects |
| 01:32.56 | Livingroom | i always pronounced your name "abro-man" |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | that's a new one :) |
| 01:33.26 | domsson | Thanks for all your help. I'll go to bed now. Cya tomorror with new problems to solve! ;) |
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| 01:34.36 | Livingroom | thanks also mesa_booger |
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| 01:35.18 | gh0st3r | abrotman, thanks for the cpuinfo thing :P |
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| 01:44.02 | Livingroom | again thanks all and nite |
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| 01:44.41 | bipolar | abrotman: I think I know why it's not working. "Provides" doesn't work if a package has a version in it's depends. Dpkg will not allow Provides to satisfy it. If it has a version option, it tells dpkg itmust be a real package, not a virtual one. |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | bipolar: oyu're still messing with fuse ? |
| 01:46.00 | bipolar | abrotman: I was afk for a long time :) |
| 01:46.04 | bipolar | yes... fuse |
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| 01:46.44 | bipolar | the gluster package has a depends of libfuse2 ( > someversion) so a virtual package won't satisfy it. |
| 01:47.35 | bipolar | I'll need to change the gluster package to accept libfuse2-gluster as it's dependancy. At least I understand that now. |
| 01:48.51 | bipolar | I'm still not sure how ${shlibs:Depends} is pulling in libfuse2 as a dependancy when it's not even installed. |
| 01:49.42 | bipolar | If I can't figure it out, I'm going to have to modify the offical control file even more and hardcode the packages into it. |
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| 01:53.47 | dvs | ? |
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| 02:02.26 | benjamindees | anyone here still use iceweasel on Etch? |
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| 02:03.21 | abrotman | benjamindees: ask your real question |
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| 02:05.13 | benjamindees | why does it look like iceweasel is storing passwords for sites when it's disabled and the option to clear saved passwords is greyed out? |
| 02:06.13 | dvs | benjamindees, because it could be treating them as a form? |
| 02:06.17 | archiebenedict | i think i had a problem like that. |
| 02:06.46 | benjamindees | yeah it looks like it's saving it a form data but it shows the password as **** so it obviously recognizes it as private |
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| 02:07.15 | archiebenedict | i had to turn private browsing off, clear everything, then turn it back on |
| 02:07.34 | dvs | benjamindees, the **** is the field type, not the browser visual handling |
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| 02:11.11 | benjamindees | dvs: so if I click on the little lock icon and open the 'forms' tab, the fact that is says "current value: *****" doesn't mean anything is actually stored? |
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| 02:12.13 | dvs | benjamindees, it is stored but it won't be shown in that field |
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| 02:12.37 | benjamindees | clearing forms data doesn't seem to get rid of it |
| 02:15.38 | benjamindees | actually now I think it's not really storing the password |
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| 02:15.55 | benjamindees | the dialog is just confusing and it's not in recent versions so whatever |
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| 02:36.18 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm wondering about the /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key . What's the "snakeoil" part about? Is there something weak about using this key? (other than losing the dubious benefit of getting a signed key from a cert authority). |
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| 02:46.03 | CALSONSILLOMAN | HOLA |
| 02:46.11 | lordlicorice | pav5088: snakeoil is the default self signing authority IIRC |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:47.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:51.53 | lordlicorice | pav5088: yeah, it's just the name of the CA used to automatically generate you a key on install |
| 02:52.24 | lordlicorice | pav5088: you can use it but it expires after a year and I wouldn't be confident of the default settings |
| 02:54.01 | pav5088 | lordlicorice, yeah, I think I'll create my own... and perhaps create a CA and do things that way. |
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| 02:59.36 | mazpe | how do i stop xface from loading the login manager at startup? |
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| 02:59.50 | abrotman | !Nodm |
| 02:59.53 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 02:59.54 | jetscreamer | wtf is xface |
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| 03:00.30 | jetscreamer | that's a stupid factoid btw |
| 03:00.42 | jetscreamer | but it functions |
| 03:01.33 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11/default-display-manager controls it, you can 'make a backup' then echo what you want, or just edit it and clear it out... chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm or whatever it is you use also works |
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| 03:02.39 | mazpe | hmm |
| 03:03.09 | jetscreamer | the "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" seems almost sane, but what if you want to reenable it before it's updated? |
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| 03:04.02 | jetscreamer | i assume there's a method, but apparently nobody put it in the factoid |
| 03:04.35 | mazpe | yeah |
| 03:04.37 | jetscreamer | and the last one, ctrl alt F1 or whichever, does not work with the current xorg borkage in sid |
| 03:05.00 | jetscreamer | so like i said... not the brightest factoid in the bunch |
| 03:05.04 | miranda | Hi. I installed Debian Lenny manually doing some disk partitioning. The installation didn't install Gnome nor X Windows. I right away install rdiff-backup and I just restored the backup of what I had before the reinstall. The backup included /etc/ /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt and /src, as it's recommended by "!things to backup" in this channel. Then I manually edited /etc/fstab. Now what? I'm afraid of restarting the comput |
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| 03:05.29 | jetscreamer | /boot/grun/menu.lst miranda |
| 03:05.44 | jetscreamer | if fstab is different, that will 'probably' be also |
| 03:05.47 | benjamindees | miranda, is Lenny what you had backed up? |
| 03:05.56 | miranda | benjamindees: yes |
| 03:06.44 | benjamindees | then I wouldn't be afraid of starting the computer, at least |
| 03:07.17 | jetscreamer | if you had to edit /etc/fstab, then i suggest you look over menu.lst |
| 03:07.53 | xeon-enouf | still hasn't figured out what exactly miranda is trying to do |
| 03:08.23 | jetscreamer | looks to me like restore from backup but to another hd/partition .. else why edit fstab... but i don't know either |
| 03:08.43 | miranda | xeon-enouf: I'm trying to be sure that everything is OK before restarting. I don't want to find out that I can't boot up my system |
| 03:09.00 | jetscreamer | info grub first then |
| 03:09.10 | jetscreamer | printing it out would help a lot |
| 03:09.28 | xeon-enouf | miranda: i mean; why are/did you restore a backup in the 1st place? |
| 03:09.30 | miranda | I backed up my system before reinstalling debian. Then after the reinstall I restored the backup |
| 03:09.44 | xeon-enouf | did you ever check the integrity of said Backup? |
| 03:09.44 | jetscreamer | wtf :) |
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| 03:10.02 | miranda | xeon-enouf: Because all my data is there |
| 03:10.03 | xeon-enouf | wtf indeed |
| 03:10.22 | xeon-enouf | why did you reinstall debian? |
| 03:10.43 | xeon-enouf | miranda: nm me .. i'm too tired to care - sorry |
| 03:10.45 | miranda | xeon-enouf: because my root partition was too small and I couldn't run updates anymore |
| 03:10.56 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. now it makes a bit of sense |
| 03:11.11 | jetscreamer | if it's on the same partiton(s) and hd, it's no problem |
| 03:11.20 | jetscreamer | tions |
| 03:11.50 | miranda | Should I go for the reboot? |
| 03:11.52 | xeon-enouf | why didn't you just restore the Backup to the newly partioned disk, instead of "reinstalling" |
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| 03:12.15 | jetscreamer | if you edited fstab, and if you had to, did you edit/check menu.lst |
| 03:12.19 | xeon-enouf | i mean, you did do a data/FS layer backup, not a dd one |
| 03:12.20 | miranda | xeon-enouf: because the backup just included the directories recommended by !things to backup |
| 03:12.26 | miranda | !things to backup |
| 03:12.26 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 03:12.35 | xeon-enouf | ahh .. ok - i see |
| 03:13.21 | benjamindees | miranda, is this a local machine? |
| 03:13.24 | xeon-enouf | just check your grub (and menu.lst) and /etc/fstab are correct |
| 03:13.40 | miranda | I'm using another laptop for the chat |
| 03:13.57 | xeon-enouf | miranda: /msg dpkg rescue mode (as a backup plan ;-)) |
| 03:14.23 | xeon-enouf | and perhaps go grab sysresccd.org as a livecd |
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| 03:14.49 | benjamindees | you're basically going to have to get it booted then re-install all the packages you had before that you want |
| 03:15.53 | miranda | benjamindees: How do I install all the packages? I think the list of my old installed packages should be right now in /etc |
| 03:16.03 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 03:16.03 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 03:16.11 | miranda | benjamindees: but the packages aren't yet installed, of course |
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| 03:18.35 | benjamindees | I don't think a list of your packages will be in /etc unless you put it there |
| 03:18.53 | miranda | jetscreamer: Will dkpg --get-selections work now? |
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| 03:19.18 | miranda | benjamindees: everything that was in my old /etc is in my new /etc right now |
| 03:19.35 | miranda | benjamindees: It should work, right? |
| 03:19.49 | jetscreamer | miranda: -get will only get what you have installed currently |
| 03:19.56 | jetscreamer | -set will work given your old list |
| 03:20.16 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 03:20.53 | jetscreamer | the first part, with the aptitude reinstall, i never tried |
| 03:21.26 | miranda | jetscreamer: What I think is that the system probably has in /etc the list of the packages installed in the old system, despite they aren't installed right now. Doesn't Debian save in /etc what you have installed? |
| 03:21.28 | jetscreamer | man dpkg for where dpkg keeps it's currently installed list, i 'think' |
| 03:21.54 | jetscreamer | all i know is the available list is kept in /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 03:22.38 | xeon-enouf | miranda: /etc/ is just what conffiles pkgs installed there, and that perhaps you configured |
| 03:23.27 | xeon-enouf | the pkgs themselves are in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 03:23.39 | miranda | xeon-enouf: so, basically, I don't have the list of the packages I have previously installed in my old system |
| 03:23.55 | jetscreamer | the downloaded packages are, unless you did apt-get clean or whatever |
| 03:24.00 | xeon-enouf | not unless you did like --get-selections |
| 03:24.06 | xeon-enouf | !selections |
| 03:24.06 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 03:24.13 | jetscreamer | or unless you backed up /var |
| 03:24.29 | jetscreamer | like that factoid said, iirc |
| 03:24.32 | xeon-enouf | that too, yeah |
| 03:24.44 | jetscreamer | If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
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| 03:37.30 | miranda | I'm back. I see my old list of installed packages in /var/cache/apt/archives. What should I do to install them? |
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| 03:41.33 | henson | huh.. was talking to dpkg about x, hadn't heard of lxde. what's it most like? |
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| 03:42.14 | miranda | I backed up /var, where is the list of the packages I had installed. In /var/cache/apt/archives I don't see some packages I had before, like Postgres |
| 03:42.53 | lordlicorice | miranda: might have been pulled in as a dependency of something else |
| 03:43.49 | miranda | lordlicorice: thanks. Ok. So having /var backed up from my previous system, how can I get the list of packages I had? |
| 03:44.09 | pickcoder | is there some trick to getting the default configs for amavisd-new+spamassassin to mark mail as spam and to add the x-spam headers? |
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| 03:44.31 | pickcoder | I've scoured all the configs and enabled related variables |
| 03:44.42 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 03:44.50 | pickcoder | *lightbulb* |
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| 03:46.23 | lordlicorice | miranda: sounds like a bad idea to try to restore them all automatically |
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| 03:47.01 | lordlicorice | miranda: I'd just install what I want one at a time and use /var/cache/apt/archives to make sure I didn't miss any |
| 03:47.59 | lordlicorice | miranda: by far most of them will be dependencies |
| 03:48.00 | miranda | lordlicorice: the list is huge |
| 03:48.55 | lordlicorice | miranda: install things you need and let the package manager worry about deps |
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| 03:51.36 | miranda | lordlicorice: That's a solution, but it will take me days or weeks until I have all the packages I was using in my old system. There should be a way to find the packages in my backed up /var |
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| 03:53.46 | lordlicorice | miranda: this looks interesting http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 03:55.35 | miranda | lordlicorice: Thanks. It would have been a nice solution had I used it before. Now it's too late :( |
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| 03:55.53 | lordlicorice | you should still be able to use it |
| 03:56.18 | lordlicorice | doesn't look like you actually have to make a disk, just run the executable |
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| 03:58.26 | lordlicorice | kind of kludgy but you can make an iso (you might have to actually put your backed-up /var/cache/apt/archives there on the new filesystem) and restore off it |
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| 04:01.55 | miranda | lordlicorice: Thanks, I just realized I never backed up /var. I thought I did. I guess I will install package by package what I need |
| 04:02.08 | lordlicorice | ouch, sorry |
| 04:02.28 | miranda | lordlicorice: kind of a pain, but probably not a very big deal |
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| 04:11.51 | miranda | Could anybody please dpaste a default grub menu.lst as it comes with Lenny, or something close? Thanks |
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| 04:16.07 | miranda | nevermind |
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| 04:21.00 | murdoc-is-god | How do I ask the OS what time it thinks it is? |
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| 04:25.44 | miranda | murdoc-is-god: date |
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| 04:29.26 | miranda | apt-get and aptitude can't resolve hostnames, while ping can |
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| 04:31.10 | iuri | hi there, i tried to install debian using BKO but i got stuck at the last window in the menu of the boot loader program. Has anyone know about that |
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| 04:34.56 | iuri | I am using boot kernel BKO to install debian through network. But debian is the OS that BKO can not install properly |
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| 04:50.31 | designs703 | hello |
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| 04:51.10 | jetscreamer | imagines 850 ppl saying hello in return |
| 04:51.14 | designs703 | :) |
| 04:51.59 | designs703 | I just released my vim plugin, I was looking for ideas on additions to it and I figure there are many vim users here. |
| 04:52.08 | designs703 | in any case you may find it to be of interest |
| 04:52.10 | designs703 | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2719 |
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| 04:54.42 | designs703 | I've been working on it for the past couple hours, I'm going to bed :) |
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| 04:56.26 | jetscreamer | nano :) |
| 04:56.35 | jetscreamer | and mc-edit |
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| 04:57.23 | jetscreamer | but my needs are simple, like myself |
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| 04:57.55 | yoota | how can i mirror lenny and not testing and sid? |
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| 04:58.41 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 04:58.43 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 04:58.43 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
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| 05:00.46 | miranda | Hi. I can't resolv hostnames in another laptop with Debian, but its /etc/resolv.conf is exactly the same than in the laptop I'm using to write these lines. How can I fix this? Thanks. |
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| 05:03.00 | yoota | nothing in those pages |
| 05:03.12 | yoota | you can mirror by arch |
| 05:03.30 | yoota | but if i could mirror just stable then it wouldn't be a huge bandwidth commitment and be much smaller |
| 05:03.45 | jetscreamer | that's vaguely familiar, i believe you're right.. i know nothing though |
| 05:03.51 | yoota | im currently using apt-cacher-ng |
| 05:04.13 | jmarsden | miranda: Check /etc/nsswitch.conf too. If your /etc/resolv.conf uses 127.0.0.1 and one machine has bind running and the other doesn't, that could also explain it... |
| 05:04.38 | yoota | miranda, try debugging with dig @nameserverip debian.org |
| 05:04.45 | yoota | or ping |
| 05:06.05 | jmarsden | yoota: I think apt-mirror will let you specify what to mirror with a sources.list style syntax, so that might work better for you?? |
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| 05:07.17 | yoota | jmarsden, where do the files go? |
| 05:07.36 | jmarsden | yoota: Where you tell it to put them! man apt-mirror |
| 05:07.46 | yoota | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-mirror&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+5.0+lenny&format=html&locale=en |
| 05:07.50 | yoota | im lookg at it |
| 05:08.52 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror#partial |
| 05:09.01 | miranda | yoota: ping works fine |
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| 05:09.27 | yoota | miranda, are the nameserver private ones with firewalls? |
| 05:09.51 | jetscreamer | With the recommended ftpsync, this can be done by editing the ARCH_EXCLUDE variable |
| 05:09.59 | jmarsden | yoota: Read the FILES section, and also read the /etc/apt/mirror.list |
| 05:10.19 | yoota | k |
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| 05:13.06 | miranda | yoota: dunno. 209.18.47.61 209.18.47.62 Time Warner Cable |
| 05:13.43 | yoota | miranda, dig @209.18.47.61 debian.org |
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| 05:22.26 | realone | In my opinion, gay sex is a lot hotter than straight sex. You are now imagining yourself being fucked as a trap while sitting in someone's lap, facing them. You give out little moans and whimpers as you desperately force yourself to ride him, pulling yourself up and down his cock as fast as you can manage. Your feminine features are flushed red with embarrassment because your stiff, hefty prick is bouncing off his stomach with every thr |
| 05:22.27 | realone | ust, but he is holding your hands back, preventing you from hiding it or jacking yourself off. Just as he begin to climax, you slam your hips down as deeply as you can, squeezing like a vice around him and moaning wildly. As he continues to fill you with his cum, you begin spraying his stomach and chest with your own virile but useless seed, your hips desperately bucking with every spurt. After his orgasms subside, he releases your arms |
| 05:22.28 | realone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:22.53 | jetscreamer | !ops realone ^^^ self-explanatory |
| 05:22.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jetscreamer complains about: realone ^^^ self-explanatory |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | [00.23.05] --- [realone] (n=user@cpe-74-67-197-158.twcny.res.rr.com) : you will ever get |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | [00.23.05] --- [realone] #ubuntu #debian |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | [00.23.05] --- [realone] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | [00.23.05] --- [realone] idle 00:00:06, signon: Thu Oct 01 00:20:35 |
| 05:23.12 | jetscreamer | [00.23.05] --- [realone] End of WHOIS list. |
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| 05:23.30 | realone | isnt gay sex fun tho |
| 05:23.32 | realone | d; |
| 05:23.36 | realone | it is just like compiling debian |
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| 05:23.42 | realone | it is hard to do at first, but it gets sooo fun |
| 05:23.43 | jetscreamer | i dunno, never tried it |
| 05:23.46 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 05:23.49 | jetscreamer | well enjoy |
| 05:23.57 | realone | like 'omg i dont wanna sit on this', but after u do it, it is enjoyable |
| 05:24.00 | realone | i love debian |
| 05:24.05 | realone | thanks guys for reading my story |
| 05:24.13 | jetscreamer | well i hate to tell you |
| 05:24.18 | jetscreamer | but i didn't |
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| 05:33.27 | miranda | yoota: dig: command not found |
| 05:33.43 | jetscreamer | it's in a package iirc |
| 05:33.47 | jetscreamer | !find dig |
| 05:34.05 | jetscreamer | or apt-cache search |
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| 05:34.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dig' (8 of 46): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digest) in science/emboss ;; (/usr/bin/sip-dig) in net/sofia-sip-bin ;; (/usr/bin/qucsdigi) in electronics/qucs ;; (/usr/bin/kdevelop-htdig) in kde/kdevelop ;; (/usr/bin/htdigest) in httpd/apache2-utils ;; (/usr/bin/happydigger) in utils/happydigger ;; (/usr/bin/mk-query-digest) in utils/maatkit. |
| 05:35.07 | jetscreamer | dnsutils, that was it |
| 05:36.06 | miranda | jetscreamer: but since I cannot resolve hostnames I can't install dig |
| 05:36.17 | yoota | just switch it to 4.2.2.3 then |
| 05:36.20 | yoota | works everywhere |
| 05:37.04 | yoota | you can also try `host` |
| 05:37.21 | miranda | host: command not found |
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| 05:37.48 | jetscreamer | specify the mirror by ip since it's hostnames you can't look up eh? |
| 05:37.56 | miranda | yoota: added "nameserver 4.2.2.3" at the top of /etc/resolv.conf . Still same problem |
| 05:38.07 | yoota | then you have some other problem |
| 05:38.19 | yoota | ping 4.2.2.3 |
| 05:38.40 | miranda | yoota: ping 4.2.2.3 works fine |
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| 05:38.56 | yoota | then i have no idea |
| 05:39.01 | miranda | yoota: ping google.com works fine too |
| 05:39.06 | yoota | then DNS is working |
| 05:39.14 | miranda | yoota: OK, thanks, anyway |
| 05:39.14 | yoota | and youve been talking about a non-issue |
| 05:39.44 | miranda | yoota: apt-get update can't resolve hostnames |
| 05:39.51 | miranda | wget cannot either |
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| 05:39.58 | miranda | only ping works |
| 05:39.58 | yoota | but then why can ping? |
| 05:40.05 | yoota | maybe your libc is fed up? |
| 05:40.06 | miranda | yoota: I don't know |
| 05:40.20 | yoota | and pin happens to be statically linked |
| 05:40.23 | yoota | *ping |
| 05:40.36 | jetscreamer | 204.152.191.39 |
| 05:40.44 | jetscreamer | kernel.org |
| 05:40.54 | valdyn | broken resolver |
| 05:41.00 | yoota | broken libc |
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| 05:41.28 | miranda | jetscreamer: You mean I should use 204.152.191.39 in resolv.conf? |
| 05:41.48 | yoota | 4.2.2.3 (level3) highly recommended |
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| 05:42.21 | valdyn | miranda: backup /etc/nsswitch.conf and remove the mdns* entries in the hosts: line |
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| 05:43.36 | miranda | valdyn: thanks, do I need to reboot? |
| 05:43.46 | valdyn | miranda: no |
| 05:43.58 | miranda | then I still get the same problem |
| 05:44.19 | miranda | hosts line says: |
| 05:44.27 | valdyn | miranda: yes, if more parts of your resolver are broken than just mdns |
| 05:44.41 | miranda | hosts: files [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 05:45.03 | valdyn | miranda: remove the [NOTFOUND=return] too |
| 05:45.17 | valdyn | miranda: and remoev mdns4 too |
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| 05:45.54 | miranda | valdyn: thanks! it worked now!!! |
| 05:46.05 | valdyn | miranda: aptitude reinstall libnss-mdns |
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| 05:47.44 | miranda | valdyn: thanks. can I remove the backed up nsswitch.conf? |
| 05:48.13 | valdyn | miranda: you should be able restore it already after reinstalling libnss-mdns |
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| 05:50.14 | miranda | valdyn: thx |
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| 05:52.37 | miranda | now aptitude and apt-get fail to run because the try to run apt-listbugs, that isn't installed. This happens even when I try to install/remove/reinstall apt-listbugs |
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| 05:52.59 | eipowal | any package for p2sp? |
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| 05:55.05 | iateadonut | what is that program called that puts the icon in the system tray that you can right click on to suspend to ram? |
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| 05:57.35 | jmarsden | miranda: Does doing apt-get -f install help? Worst case, you could perhaps manually download the apt-listbugs .deb file and install it using dpkg -i |
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| 06:03.30 | miranda | jmarsden: no,it doesn't help with apt-get -f. I'll download the pkg. thnx |
| 06:04.02 | jmarsden | miranda: No problem. |
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| 06:15.02 | cafuego | 200 |
| 06:15.57 | cafuego | I have a packaging problem; it looks as is aptitude is ignoring a Provides: line, resulting in a broken state and the sugegstion of removing my custom packages. |
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| 06:16.52 | cafuego | I have a wibbledb-common, which provides mysql-common at version 5.1.38. |
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| 06:17.41 | cafuego | wibbledb-client-5.1 requires the satan that is libdbd-mysql-perl, which in turn demands mysql-common. |
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| 06:18.16 | cafuego | Rather than accepting my provides, it insists on grabbing Debians actual mysql-common. |
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| 06:18.43 | cafuego | What am I missing? wibbledb-common should fulfil that depend, shouldn't it? |
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| 06:36.59 | radoe | cafuego: you have SID? |
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| 06:37.33 | JyZyXEL | its sid or Sid but not SID |
| 06:37.47 | radoe | JyZyXEL: well right. |
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| 06:38.55 | radoe | cafuego: if you do - libdbd-mysql-perl depends on libmysqlclient16, which depends on mysql-common (>= 5.1.39-1) [not hurd-i386, mips, mipsel, s390, sparc] |
| 06:39.13 | km | what's the program enable mouse in console mode? |
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| 06:39.54 | radoe | cafuego: the version number of your Provides: is to low to fullfil that... |
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| 06:40.32 | nsadmin | km: packages.debian.org or apt-cache or (here's a thought) google.com |
| 06:41.24 | radoe | km: it should be gpm |
| 06:41.27 | km | right |
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| 06:46.23 | radoe | cafuego: ah, seems I'm wrong. Seems it can't work that way. Just have a look at the policy, 7.5 Virtual Packages. |
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| 06:57.50 | cafuego | radoe: Lenny actually |
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| 07:00.39 | radoe | cafuego: as mentioned above, just have a look at the policy, "7.5 Virtual Packages". What you try can't work. |
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| 07:01.22 | cafuego | radoe: Well, that's going to make the baby jesus cry ;-) |
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| 07:02.29 | cafuego | radoe: Oh, but i don't have a version attached. That's the odd thing. |
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| 07:04.10 | radoe | cafuego: so your package has 5.x.y as version, and Provides: mysql-common, but "and the version number of the concrete package which provides a particular virtual package will not be looked" |
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| 07:08.13 | kraut | moin |
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| 07:12.02 | liable | afternoon |
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| 07:12.53 | Lechucks | goodmorning |
| 07:13.10 | liable | waves |
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| 07:15.18 | emilsedgh | my laptop goes extremely slow all the time. i cannot figure out what causes this. top and htop show very little cpu usage but ksysguard shows a core at 100% and another one at 60-70, but it still doesnt show which proccesses are causing such load. on the other hand, i have about 2GB memory and a 7MB swap partition. while i have something like 1.3GB free memory, my swap parition's 7MB is used. my question is, how can i see what causes such load and can th |
| 07:15.24 | emilsedgh | d full swap) |
| 07:16.06 | Lechucks | emilsedgh: use top in console |
| 07:16.20 | liable | he said that |
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| 07:16.21 | emilsedgh | as i said, top shows little cpu usage |
| 07:16.33 | Lechucks | oh sorry |
| 07:16.35 | liable | but i'm surprised htop isnt showing whats using the cpu |
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| 07:16.46 | emilsedgh | top and ksysguard are showing differrent info |
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| 07:17.01 | emilsedgh | it of course shows some proccesses but none of them has such load |
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| 07:18.13 | liable | not even spiking? |
| 07:18.26 | emilsedgh | sorry, what does spiking means :) |
| 07:18.28 | cmrn | Does anyone know why I would be losing connection to my debian server every 10-30 minutes (i.e, losing ssh, znc connections). It also wont let me reconnect for a little while (refuses the connection) |
| 07:18.34 | liable | temporary load |
| 07:19.05 | murdoc-is-god | 15 3 * * * root rdiff-backup |
| 07:19.19 | murdoc-is-god | I have that in my crontab... should that command run every morning at 3:15 AM? |
| 07:19.26 | murdoc-is-god | as root? |
| 07:19.32 | murdoc-is-god | This is a line in /etc/crontab |
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| 07:20.02 | emilsedgh | liable: http://imagebin.ca/view/Jooeg_b.html |
| 07:20.13 | emilsedgh | its a screenshot of my htop and ksysguard running side by side but showing differrent usages |
| 07:20.17 | cafuego | radoe: ie: the non-virtual package (which has a version number) will always be picked by preference? |
| 07:20.58 | cafuego | murdoc-is-god: If you want run run an incremental backup at 3:15 am every day, yes. |
| 07:21.22 | murdoc-is-god | cafuego: Well 3:15 AM just passed |
| 07:21.23 | cafuego | murdoc-is-god: Mind you, that command really needs parameters, so it actually has something to backup. |
| 07:21.24 | murdoc-is-god | and nothin ran |
| 07:21.36 | murdoc-is-god | I know, I have a bunch of parameters don't worry |
| 07:21.54 | cafuego | murdoc-is-god: /win 27 |
| 07:21.56 | cafuego | feh |
| 07:22.43 | murdoc-is-god | ? |
| 07:23.44 | cafuego | murdoc-is-god: I typed a command on a non-empty line. |
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| 07:25.56 | cafuego | radoe: Yeh, on newer distros libdbd-mysql-perl doesn't depend on libmysqlclient15off anymore. Maybe I can fake that pkg :-/ |
| 07:26.57 | liable | emilsedgh: hmm, i'm not sure what to suggest. woulda thought they got their info from the same place |
| 07:27.28 | emilsedgh | liable: thanks, i think i first should try resizing my swap space |
| 07:27.33 | cmrn | anyone know? |
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| 07:28.18 | liable | emilsedgh: i cant think why it would have used the swap if you have 2G of ram. unless you were photo editing or something |
| 07:28.52 | emilsedgh | no, nothing special really |
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| 07:29.13 | cmrn | Does anyone know why I would be losing connection to my debian server every 10-30 minutes (i.e, losing ssh, znc connections). It also wont let me reconnect for a little while (refuses the connection) |
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| 07:30.09 | hanibana | hi all |
| 07:30.43 | hanibana | can anyone tell me what means the "-/+" characters at `free' output? |
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| 07:31.29 | liable | cmrn: nothing in any logs? |
| 07:31.37 | liable | dmesg? |
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| 07:32.20 | cafuego | radoe: Yes, generating a virtual libmysqlclient15off with my wibbledb version resolves the issue. Copyright be damned! |
| 07:33.13 | cafuego | hanibana: Those are the free and used mem MINUS what is used for buffers and cached |
| 07:34.16 | cafuego | hanibana: Saved you having to manually add the 5th and 6th column numbers to the free column. |
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| 07:35.02 | cmrn | liable: this is at the end of dmesg, http://gist.github.com/6f09084e6fba634d3915 |
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| 07:35.21 | cmrn | hmmm, did I just disconnect from IRC? |
| 07:35.46 | cafuego | cmrn: yes |
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| 07:36.07 | cmrn | ah, so the whole box is losing connection |
| 07:36.12 | cmrn | hm |
| 07:36.18 | cafuego | Also, perhaps not. |
| 07:37.00 | hanibana | thanks cafuego |
| 07:37.13 | liable | cmrn: so you are having cable or something issues |
| 07:37.30 | liable | or its driver is flaky |
| 07:37.41 | liable | that pause line is odd |
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| 07:41.36 | Cope | trying to remember the name of a sun storage thing - it wasn't anything like a 3510 - it was purple, about 3 U, and looked like a JBOD - think it could take 12 disks |
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| 07:41.54 | Cope | t1 maybe? i can't remember its name |
| 07:41.56 | Cope | any ideas? |
| 07:42.05 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 07:42.06 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 rabid platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:42.16 | Cope | erm... wrong channel sorry |
| 07:42.25 | Cope | slinks away; |
| 07:42.27 | Cope | morning dpkg |
| 07:42.33 | Cope | :P |
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| 07:43.58 | UselessWolf | heyho |
| 07:44.58 | Shadur | dpkg, are you pondering what I'm pondering? |
| 07:45.00 | dpkg | Shadur: are you using Windows? |
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| 07:46.04 | UselessWolf | can i get here help for vitual server? |
| 07:47.03 | cmrn | liable: could it be due to me failing at setting up /etc/network/interfaces? This is what I have: http://gist.github.com/bf04db8f766ccf850212 |
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| 07:47.38 | liable | cmrn: once the interface is up, interfaces file doesn't have anything to do. |
| 07:48.17 | cmrn | right. I didn't touch anything else, so hmmm. |
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| 07:48.38 | UselessWolf | my virtual machine got no internet anyone can help me fix it? |
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| 08:02.21 | EasyTUX | Deryl is the fuckiest person, I've ever known anybody to be so fucking sucking MAD !!! though efnet rules surely... |
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| 08:03.18 | liable | W.T.F |
| 08:03.56 | WormFood | I agree liable! |
| 08:04.05 | Shadur | Tourette's a terrible thing to behold. |
| 08:04.14 | murdoc-is-god | my commands in /etc/crontab don't seem to be running when they are set... |
| 08:04.21 | WormFood | I met someone with that Shadur |
| 08:04.58 | WormFood | murdoc-is-god, may I suggest you add an entry with 'touch', so you can get the timestamp of when it does work (just for testing) |
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| 08:05.38 | liable | and i hope you arent talking about rupert |
| 08:05.47 | iskywalker | Hi! i want to run a dual monitor on my t61p lenovo, it works till x is startet and my vga output is cut off and the lcd goes on... |
| 08:05.47 | WormFood | "type array 97 not a basic type" (and other similar error messages) <-- anyone have a fix for this shit? it is driving me crazy.... |
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| 08:06.15 | WormFood | iskywalker, I live where your laptop was made :P |
| 08:06.34 | liable | you live in a factory? |
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| 08:06.47 | WormFood | the factory is in my city |
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| 08:07.06 | WormFood | I only live at the factory during the week, but today is a holiday |
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| 08:07.22 | lxsameer | hi my touchpad do not clickable. ( tap to click) xorg.log -> http://pastebin.com/m23cf8c4a xorg.conf -> http://pastebin.com/m32290ea0 |
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| 08:07.36 | liable | can i blame you for the shit design of the air vents in my t60? |
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| 08:07.57 | WormFood | I wished my touchpad didn't have that god damn 'tap-to-click' shit...the only way I can turn it off, disables my middle mouse button :( |
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| 08:08.26 | liable | i turn my touchpad off in bios |
| 08:08.32 | WormFood | no, I don't work for lenovo, they just happen to have their headquarters and factory in the same city I live in (which is called "深圳") |
| 08:08.37 | iskywalker | WormFood: you dont know although how to make this work or? |
| 08:08.55 | iskywalker | i dint buy the laptop i got it from my predessor on this job... |
| 08:09.11 | WormFood | no, I have no idea...my laptop is an old Thinkpad T30 (great laptop, built like a tank) |
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| 08:11.04 | TheAvatar | Any idea how I should get about an HP UPS on Linux? How to "interact" with the serial signal from the UPS, so I can shutdown in case of a power failure etc |
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| 08:11.56 | the_sniff | im seing a huge cron list which PID isn't in syslog, why? |
| 08:11.56 | xeon-enouf | ttyS0? |
| 08:12.13 | xeon-enouf | or ttyUSB0 or someshit |
| 08:12.21 | xeon-enouf | stty, etc |
| 08:12.52 | WormFood | TheAvatar, if you do some googling, I expect you can find the info you need to make a cable, and program it properly, but I think most current UPSes use USB to communicate with the computer (my UPS has no way to communicate with the computer) |
| 08:13.10 | CharminTheMoose | hey xeon-enouf you seem like a likeable young man, wish to help in a few with this jackd problem I'm having? |
| 08:13.16 | iceroot | can you recommend an imap-client for CLI? maybe something with a little menu (like yast or other ncurse-stuff) |
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| 08:13.26 | TheAvatar | I do have an UPS and it does have a serial port and I have a serial cable - I just need something on the server end to interact when it receives the signal |
| 08:13.28 | liable | lol |
| 08:13.49 | liable | TheAvatar: look at upsd and such packages |
| 08:14.02 | TheAvatar | more like - some sort of program, that can trigger shutdowns, or other events (e.g. sms warning through some external sms service) |
| 08:14.12 | TheAvatar | okay - I'll try have a look at that |
| 08:14.28 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: likeable? moi? ,,, heh .. but really - i'm off to snooZZZzzzzeville in a few - perhaps later .. |
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| 08:15.08 | CharminTheMoose | xeon-enouf, ok, cool. Have a nice sleep. |
| 08:15.10 | Error | ubottu: You're as intelligent as deryl neh ? |
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| 08:15.37 | Error | ubottu: ;) |
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| 08:17.52 | Error | Humm, better play with #ubuntu's deryl... |
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| 08:20.50 | thetank | pin drop |
| 08:22.01 | thetank | can someone help me find a repo for e17, like a nightly build thanks in advance |
| 08:22.33 | thetank | ive checked google but the repos im finding are outdate |
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| 08:23.18 | liable | its in sid now innit? |
| 08:23.25 | liable | judd: versions e17 |
| 08:23.25 | judd | liable: e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.062-1 |
| 08:23.45 | maxagaz | why does the command df shows stuffs like varrun, varlock, procbususb, udev, devshm, lrm... while this is part of the /dev/... ? |
| 08:24.02 | maxagaz | what's the interest to know those informations ? |
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| 08:25.28 | thetank | liable: is this the latest release ? |
| 08:25.37 | liable | no idea |
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| 08:29.40 | thetank | I found one but it's from source script which is okay I guess. Would have preferred deb |
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| 08:32.27 | rvsjoen | maxagaz: df shows information about all the mounted file systems |
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| 08:39.45 | Andorin | When I try to delete something from my Trash, I get an error stating that I don't have permission to modify its parent folder. Yet it's in a subfolder of my /home directory- how is this possible? |
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| 08:42.10 | liable | Andorin: and whats the perms on it? |
| 08:42.20 | Andorin | Let's see... |
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| 08:42.32 | Cim | good morning |
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| 08:44.05 | Andorin | liable: andorin@mein-comp:~/.local/share/Trash/files$ ls -l | grep exaile |
| 08:44.05 | Andorin | drwxr-xr-x 10 andorin andorin 4096 2009-09-06 16:45 exaile-0.3.0.1 |
| 08:44.24 | maxagaz | rvsjoen, where is varrun mounted for example ? the fact that it is in /var/run isn't enough ? |
| 08:44.25 | Andorin | For the parent... |
| 08:44.37 | Cim | when ends support for Debian 4.0? |
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| 08:45.08 | Andorin | Parent is 700, I think. If I remember the numbering conventions correctly. drwx followed by all dashes. |
| 08:45.08 | Cim_ | oh sorry i have problems with connection |
| 08:45.12 | Cim_ | when ends support for Debian 4.0? |
| 08:45.15 | acemi | 1 year after the stable lenny |
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| 08:45.44 | Andorin | The funny thing is that this exact file, on my other computer, also can't be erased from the Trash. |
| 08:45.48 | Cim_ | so when its gonna be? |
| 08:45.58 | liable | really? odd |
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| 08:46.06 | Andorin | I think Lenny was released in January... |
| 08:46.10 | acemi | 14 feb 2010 |
| 08:46.16 | Andorin | Feb. Close enough. |
| 08:46.24 | Cim_ | ok thx |
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| 08:46.39 | Andorin | Everything else in Trash gets erased fine. This one folder, though, doesn't. |
| 08:46.46 | Andorin | I can try deleting it as root. |
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| 08:47.54 | Andorin | Yeah, that did it. |
| 08:48.27 | CharminTheMoose | hey all, the qjackctl window is reporting Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. Please alter the line @audio - memlock unlimitedin your /etc/limits.conf to @audio - memlock 765507 |
| 08:48.46 | CharminTheMoose | Don't I change this in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 08:49.15 | JyZyXEL | can you pass arguments with signals? |
| 08:49.33 | CharminTheMoose | and could that account for jackd producing a load of xruns? |
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| 08:51.24 | ArdyaBigAsshole | ! |
| 08:51.37 | JyZyXEL | or how do you pass instructions to daemon usually? |
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| 08:54.02 | radoe | JyZyXEL: no, you can't pass arguments with signals. You need some sort of IPC to communicate with your daemons. |
| 08:58.30 | \\localhost | Hello, does someone knows why debian's vmlinuz has no ELF header ? (the CentOS one have it) |
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| 09:00.13 | rvsjoen | what's with the nick-change-party |
| 09:00.26 | liable | dunno, but its starting to annoy me |
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| 09:07.32 | JyZyXEL | ipc? |
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| 09:08.35 | nsadmin | \\localhost if you don't find out here, the people who do are the ones who maintain gcc and the kernel |
| 09:08.46 | nsadmin | obviously it works... |
| 09:08.50 | CharminTheMoose | hey all, the qjackctl window is reporting Memory locking is unlimited - this is dangerous. Please alter the line @audio - memlock unlimitedin your /etc/limits.conf to @audio - memlock 765507 ... Don't I change this in /etc/security/limits.conf? On a probably related note, would this account for getting a whole load of xruns, even when I'm not doing anything? |
| 09:09.07 | \\localhost | nsadmin: hmm okay thx |
| 09:09.14 | liable | i'm sure i had seen it previously, but he's right, non of my current ones do |
| 09:09.24 | jelly | or ask Redhat about their design choices, \\localhost |
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| 09:10.21 | radoe | JyZyXEL: IPC = Inter Process Communcation. Think of Sockets, Unix Domain Sockets, FIFO, SysV IPC,... |
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| 09:28.04 | nsadmin | well those are the mechanisms of IPC... |
| 09:28.43 | nsadmin | but what it actually is is an acronym which names the concept of having two or more processes talking to each other |
| 09:29.43 | radoe | nsadmin: shure it is. |
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| 09:32.40 | WormFood | "type array 97 not a basic type" (and other similar error messages) <-- anyone have a fix for this shit? it is driving me crazy.... |
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| 09:32.59 | rvsjoen | WormFood: context ? |
| 09:33.25 | WormFood | when I try to execute gthumb, or open a file with gimp |
| 09:33.51 | WormFood | I expect, when I hit the button to save a file (in the normal file save dialog window), that is what is causing firefox to crash |
| 09:34.10 | WormFood | it appears to be related to a common library |
| 09:34.13 | radoe | WormFood: Bug #548343 |
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| 09:34.58 | WormFood | I found reference to it on google, at http://www.mail-archive.com/ but I can't access the web site. |
| 09:35.13 | WormFood | where is this bug being tacked, so I can get more info on it? |
| 09:35.23 | salvin | WormFood, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512461 |
| 09:35.27 | WormFood | also it breaks handbrake (or should it be called "handbrake" now?) |
| 09:35.39 | salvin | radoe, ops |
| 09:35.48 | radoe | WormFood: for debian its bugs.debian.org/548343 |
| 09:35.59 | WormFood | hahaha Status: CLOSED NOTABUG |
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| 09:36.28 | WormFood | thanks radoe |
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| 09:37.31 | radoe | WormFood: when running unstable you should have known that ;) (SCNR) |
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| 09:37.50 | WormFood | well, I don't usually have to go digging to deep to fix sid problems |
| 09:39.09 | phanter | hi there. I am writing s program that needs to communicate with 2 devices, both can/will be mounted on /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/tyUSB1. How can I find out which device is mounted where? |
| 09:39.54 | phanter | or can I force the devices to use /dev/DEV and /dev/MACH? |
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| 09:40.06 | WormFood | ok...they say it is "Fixed in version gvfs/1.4.0-2"....but I don't see that when I update/upgrade |
| 09:40.54 | chellomere | phanter, you can fetch the ID of an USB device |
| 09:41.33 | radoe | judd: versions gvfs |
| 09:41.35 | judd | radoe: gvfs -- lenny: 0.2.5-1.1 squeeze: 1.2.3-3 sid: 1.4.0-2 |
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| 09:42.39 | radoe | WormFood: actually, it seems to be available. Maybe your mirror just didn't have it now? |
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| 09:43.11 | WormFood | that is what I was just about to ask |
| 09:43.18 | WormFood | maybe my local mirror is slow |
| 09:43.36 | WormFood | ok, thanks for the input and help guys...I think I know what to do now ;) |
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| 09:43.38 | phanter | chellomere: that is done via lsusb? |
| 09:43.41 | Stereo | hello |
| 09:44.00 | chellomere | phanter, lsusb can do that. I assume there is some kind of API that lsusb is using for it. |
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| 09:44.43 | nsadmin | since the kernel deals with devices (mostly), the api is to the kernel, specifically to the driver |
| 09:45.15 | Stereo | is there a way to influence the width of the columns in aptitude ? I can't see what version it is upgrading from and to. I've tried the man page, without success. |
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| 09:46.45 | phanter | I try to do a search for it, but I am not sure how to call it. A device is not mounted in /dev/ttyUSB, but it is ... ? |
| 09:46.54 | jelly | phanter: you can make custom udev rules matching your device usb-ids to give them silly names like that |
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| 09:47.41 | nsadmin | mounted? no, but the usb system builds a data structure of all the usb devices it can see, and maintains that structure as device connections change |
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| 09:48.13 | phanter | jelly: I thought of that, but I would like to always mount the first bluetooth dongle to /dev/BT (or something similar) |
| 09:48.14 | nsadmin | oh, this is usb -storage-? |
| 09:48.34 | nsadmin | why mount it to something in /dev? |
| 09:48.37 | phanter | can I do that with udev rules? |
| 09:49.00 | jelly | nsadmin: don't be so literal, he didn't mean "mount" |
| 09:49.02 | WormFood | is there any tool to tell me the status of my mirror (if it is up to date or what package versions it has?) |
| 09:49.10 | phanter | nsadmin: it is nt storage. I know that mounting is not the correct rem, but I was asking for the correct term just before |
| 09:49.32 | nsadmin | oh ok... maybe "registration"? |
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| 09:49.40 | JyZyXEL | how do i report a bug in a kernel module? |
| 09:49.59 | jelly | phanter: I don't know much about udev, but let me dig up a rule that came with some Huawei dongle software... |
| 09:50.07 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: this module is in the kernel source? |
| 09:50.21 | JyZyXEL | probably |
| 09:50.37 | rvsjoen | JyZyXEL: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html |
| 09:50.46 | radoe | WormFood: apt-cache policy <yourpackage> |
| 09:50.47 | JyZyXEL | but in debian |
| 09:50.57 | nsadmin | then you would probably report it against the kernel package |
| 09:51.04 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
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| 09:51.08 | rvsjoen | forget what I said then |
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| 09:51.29 | nsadmin | (the word "probably" is yours, once you find out for sure, you'll have the definitive answer to that) |
| 09:51.49 | jelly | phanter: |
| 09:51.51 | jelly | SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{modalias}=="usb:v12D1p1003*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", ATTRS{bInterfaceNumber}=="00", ATTRS{bInterfaceProtocol}=="ff", NAME="ttyUSB_utps_modem" |
| 09:51.51 | jelly | SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{modalias}=="usb:v12D1p1003*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", ATTRS{bInterfaceNumber}=="01", ATTRS{bInterfaceProtocol}=="ff", NAME="ttyUSB_utps_pcui" |
| 09:51.52 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: did you build your own kernel? |
| 09:51.56 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 09:51.58 | WormFood | why in the fuck did they stick a ton of japanese typing methods into scim in my last update? jesus! I don't even want japanese at all |
| 09:52.03 | JyZyXEL | its the default lenny kernel |
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| 09:52.27 | nsadmin | ok, so what's your uname -r? |
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| 09:52.35 | jelly | phanter: that goes into /etc/udev/rules.d/10-Huawei-Datacard.rules |
| 09:52.39 | nsadmin | you're running it now, right? |
| 09:53.10 | WormFood | thanks radoe, you're just a wealth of info for these infrequently used commands (infrequently used by me) |
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| 09:54.07 | jelly | phanter: this makes the 3G dongle appear as /dev/ttyUSB_utps_modem and /dev/ttyUSB_utps_pcui instead of /dev/ttyUSB[01] |
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| 09:54.30 | maxagaz | when itype: nmap myhostname -p5432, it says the port is closed, but when I do: map localhost -p5432, the port is set to be opened, why ? |
| 09:54.35 | maxagaz | how can i open this port ? |
| 09:55.04 | nsadmin | maxagaz: what are you trying to accomplish exactly? |
| 09:55.13 | jelly | maxagaz: make the service (postgres?) listen on the ethernet device (or on all devices) |
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| 09:55.34 | maxagaz | nsadmin, jelly, i'm trying to use pgadmin |
| 09:55.59 | nsadmin | can you use pgadmin on localhost? |
| 09:56.06 | jelly | maxagaz: if pgadmin is installed on the very same machine, tell it to connect to localhost, then |
| 09:56.06 | maxagaz | nsadmin, jelly, i mean to connect from my machine with pgadmin to a remote server |
| 09:56.43 | nsadmin | oh, in that case the remote needs to have its postgres be reconfigured |
| 09:57.35 | nsadmin | you should consider writing text files with the sql commands you want, especially those which establish a data model and which drop it |
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| 09:58.42 | peleczek | is using getty autologin safe? |
| 09:59.26 | phanter | nsadmin: it is nt storage. I know that mounting is not the correct rem, but I was asking for the correct term just before |
| 09:59.51 | phanter | jelly: so it seems the perfect moment to learn about udev rules. Thanks for the examples! |
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| 10:00.21 | DeeTah | why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just print a newline and close/ |
| 10:00.24 | jelly | maxagaz: as a kludge, if you have ssh access to the remote server, you can use ssh tunneling to get to its localhost:5432 |
| 10:00.38 | phanter | nsadmin: (sorry, pressed the wrong buttons) |
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| 10:01.28 | liable | DeeTah: X --configure is the way now apparently |
| 10:01.35 | liable | !xorg.conf |
| 10:01.35 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 10:01.40 | liable | !drxx |
| 10:01.40 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 10:01.59 | liable | damn |
| 10:02.06 | liable | !xorg config |
| 10:02.06 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 10:02.24 | WormFood | radoe, I changed my mirror, and all is good now (I hope it is, it is downloading)...I guess my mirror is just slow |
| 10:02.26 | liable | jeez, i give up |
| 10:02.29 | jelly | "usually no longer needed" -- if you always have exactly one output device |
| 10:02.37 | DeeTah | liable: hm. so it should be safe to remove xorg.conf? I just want to set my keyboard layout. |
| 10:02.50 | jelly | DeeTah: which debian releasE? |
| 10:02.52 | liable | DeeTah: yes, you dont need the file |
| 10:02.54 | WormFood | figures it would fuck me at just the right time between these packages....I've been trying to "fix" this for days, expecting a new package to fix any problems real soon |
| 10:03.05 | DeeTah | jelly: squeeze |
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| 10:03.42 | jelly | DeeTah: /etc/default/console-setup is the place to set up X keyboard now |
| 10:03.57 | maxagaz | jelly, i can ssh on the server, but i don't unerstand why is this port closed |
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| 10:04.10 | jelly | maxagaz: ask your admin. |
| 10:04.20 | maxagaz | jelly, i am the admin... |
| 10:04.39 | DeeTah | jelly: hal doesn't seem to catch them. |
| 10:04.55 | jelly | DeeTah: even after you've restarted it? |
| 10:05.00 | DeeTah | yup |
| 10:05.06 | jelly | mmm |
| 10:05.07 | DeeTah | but i'm gonna try once again |
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| 10:05.20 | jelly | DeeTah: dpkg -l console-setup | tail -1 (version?) |
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| 10:06.11 | jelly | DeeTah: I think a coworker said something was broken in 1.45, downgrading to 1.44 made things work again |
| 10:06.27 | DeeTah | jelly: whoa, removing xorg.conf fixed the problem |
| 10:06.34 | maxagaz | i don't undestand why a port is opened for a localhost but not for the hostname |
| 10:06.40 | DeeTah | now I just wonder what video driver and input drivers it uses ;d |
| 10:06.56 | jelly | maxagaz: those are different IP addresses, bound to different network interfaces |
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| 10:07.32 | jelly | maxagaz: each tcp or udp based network service can listen for connections on one, or more, or all the network interfaces |
| 10:07.47 | jelly | maxagaz: apparently your postgres is configured to only listen on localhost |
| 10:08.08 | jelly | This is a good default. |
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| 10:08.25 | jelly | (security wise) |
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| 10:09.12 | maxagaz | jelly, i just configured it to also listen on luya: listen_addresses = 'localhost,luya' in /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf, and restarted the service, but nmap still shows the service as closed |
| 10:09.29 | jelly | wtf is luya? |
| 10:09.43 | jelly | something present in /etc/hosts? |
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| 10:10.08 | jelly | maxagaz: does "getent hosts luya." show an ip address? |
| 10:10.25 | _ke | does anybody have a clue, how i could get the remaining free space left on a backup ftp server? probably with ncftp? |
| 10:10.27 | maxagaz | jelly, yes, it's in /etc/hosts |
| 10:10.38 | jelly | maxagaz: the shortname as well? |
| 10:10.57 | maxagaz | jelly, 127.0.1.1 luya |
| 10:11.09 | jelly | maxagaz: that's not an external IP address. |
| 10:11.10 | maxagaz | jelly, what is the shortname ? |
| 10:11.39 | maxagaz | jelly, it is, i can ping it from my machine |
| 10:11.49 | jelly | maxagaz: shortname = name without domain; Everything 127.* is localhost |
| 10:12.04 | jelly | so yes, you cna ping it :-) |
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| 10:12.57 | maxagaz | jelly, i begin to unedrstand |
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| 10:13.02 | maxagaz | understand |
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| 10:13.26 | jelly | if you configure the postgres server to listen on the internet-facing interface, _anyone_ will be able to connect to it |
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| 10:14.05 | jelly | it's strongly advised to limit the access using firewall rules, or just use ssh tunneling instead |
| 10:15.48 | young-apacher | How Can I restrict user permissions so he can see only own home directory ? |
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| 10:17.11 | maxagaz | jelly, how to use ssh tunneling to use pgadmin ? |
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| 10:19.48 | lvh | maxagaz: same way you would do any kind of ssh tunnelling |
| 10:19.52 | lvh | maxagaz: just with the pg port |
| 10:19.54 | jelly | you can easily find it on google, maxagaz |
| 10:19.56 | maxagaz | jelly, ssh luya -D 5432 ? |
| 10:20.08 | jelly | no, use -L |
| 10:20.30 | maxagaz | jelly, Bad local forwarding specification '5432' |
| 10:20.42 | jelly | some rtfm required |
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| 10:21.13 | lvh | maxagaz: -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport |
| 10:21.26 | jelly | should be something like ssh -L 5432:localhost:5432 luya, then using local localhost:5432 on the local machine |
| 10:21.36 | jelly | has gone loco |
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| 10:24.30 | maxagaz | jell: ok for the first command "ssh -L 5432:localhost:5432 luya", but i didn't get it after |
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| 10:25.29 | hid3nax | Good afternoon everyone. Each time my mysql server is being stopped/started/restarted it breaks a few other services using mysql. Is there any way (adding a script or so) to force those applications restart also after the mysql has restarted? |
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| 10:27.38 | Sitowlan | hid3nax, edit /etc/init.d/mysql script |
| 10:28.15 | hid3nax | Sitowlan, will it be overwritten after my mysql-server package will be updated (not dist-upgraded but just upgraded)? |
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| 10:40.46 | fireba11 | hid3nax: no, it will ask what to do with the old one |
| 10:42.36 | hid3nax | Oh, thanks |
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| 11:39.13 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
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| 11:44.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:45.11 | stian1979 | I did not get suspend2 disk to work on my desktop computer. I noticed that on my laptop where it works I got something like kinit that tells me the device or if I have a resume image or not. I don't have this on the desktop computer. I did check I have the same packages installed. PS: Both have custom kernels if that would change annything. |
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| 11:49.53 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 11:49.54 | dpkg | moin moin |
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| 11:50.12 | rumpsy | dpkg recover |
| 11:50.12 | dpkg | i guess recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:50.46 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 11:52.22 | rumpsy | how to recover a deleted file |
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| 11:52.50 | abrotman | from your backup |
| 11:53.30 | ribasushi | rumpsy: what file system |
| 11:53.42 | rumpsy | ext3 filesystem |
| 11:53.53 | abrotman | pretty much no |
| 11:53.59 | abrotman | !tell rumpsy about undelete |
| 11:54.48 | rumpsy | hmm... i see |
| 11:54.54 | ribasushi | rumpsy: ext3grep (there is a debian package) |
| 11:55.14 | ribasushi | abrotman: bullshit - any success is success |
| 11:55.19 | rumpsy | well.... i need to install that right? |
| 11:55.34 | ribasushi | rumpsy: it would be wise not to install it on the same system |
| 11:55.50 | rumpsy | Then? |
| 11:55.50 | abrotman | ribasushi: it depends what has transpired since the delete, and unless you notice immediately, it's pretty much on |
| 11:55.50 | abrotman | no |
| 11:55.53 | ribasushi | rumpsy: boot off something like finnix and do your dirty deeds there |
| 11:55.57 | abrotman | see |
| 11:56.17 | themill | ribasushi: if it's binary data then the odds are even lower... |
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| 11:56.45 | ribasushi | themill: this is for the use to decide, he asked for a tool - tools do exist, and the recovery rate is pretty high |
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| 11:57.06 | abrotman | sure .. if you haven't used the system at all since you deleted it .. |
| 11:57.33 | rumpsy | I mean i made a permanent delete..... |
| 11:57.34 | themill | ribasushi: fsvo "high". It's better to explain that to the user than give them false hopes. |
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| 11:58.46 | ribasushi | rumpsy: what's "permanent delete" ? |
| 11:59.05 | themill | "delete" rather than "move to trash" at a guess |
| 11:59.17 | rumpsy | Yes, themill |
| 11:59.19 | macrobat | i have "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" in my .xinitrc, but the file file doesn't seem to be read |
| 11:59.34 | macrobat | i mean .xmodmap file :) |
| 11:59.44 | rumpsy | o_O |
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| 12:00.03 | rumpsy | That is pretty much difficult to understand |
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| 12:01.47 | superjet_busy | C-space can't trigger scim under emacs23 compiled by myself, how to resolve it? |
| 12:02.27 | macrobat | my ~/.xmodmap file is supposed to swap esc and caps. "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" works on the command line, but not in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 12:02.53 | et | macrobat: is ~/.xinitrc executed? |
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| 12:04.06 | macrobat | et, yes. it starts my xfce4 session and reads ~./xbindkeysrc and enables ctrl-alt-bksp |
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| 12:08.52 | mhymn | macrobat: put it in ~/.xsession |
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| 12:11.34 | Yucatan | hello i have windows xp with vmware installed and i have debian running in my vmware i installed vmware-tools so if i'm right i should be able to mouse the mouse out the window and it should switch to xp but thats not working can somebody help me on this? |
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| 12:12.51 | justin | Yucatan: a) the vmware drivers are already packaged in debian. b) you need to reconfigure X to use the vmware drivers |
| 12:13.20 | adb | !vmware |
| 12:13.20 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. |
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| 12:14.50 | justin | except that is a lie because the vmware drivers are part of debian |
| 12:15.02 | abrotman | he should probably still be asking #vmware about the vmware tools |
| 12:15.32 | justin | judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse |
| 12:15.33 | judd | justin: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse -- etch: 12.4.0-2 lenny: 1:12.5.1-4 sid: 1:12.6.5-1 squeeze: 1:12.6.5-1 |
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| 12:16.24 | abrotman | that's the driver for the mouse that vmware emulates AFAIK, not the vmware tools |
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| 12:16.58 | rumpsy | bye everybody |
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| 12:17.14 | justin | abrotman: and as it so happens all he i asking for is the mouse driver |
| 12:17.49 | abrotman | shouldn't he have 'aptitude install xorg' and it's included there ? |
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| 12:18.39 | Yucatan | so what can i do now |
| 12:18.47 | Yucatan | how can i configure X to use the vmware driver |
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| 12:20.17 | larsl | Hello, a sysv-rc update complains that init scripts belonging to libdevmapper1.02.1 do not have any LSB tags and overrides and refuses to switch to a dependency-based boot. I can't find libdevmapper1.02.1 in this list: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tinit.d-script-missing-lsb-section.html |
| 12:20.48 | larsl | Does that mean that the bug hasn't been reported yet? It seems to be quite an important package, needed by dmsetup and kio plugins and things like that. |
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| 12:22.03 | bolt | I have two encfs mounts, both on the same drive. It's been working just fine for half a year or so. Suddenly today, one of the mounts has gone fubar. I can browse the encrypted version of the filesystem, and the other mount works just fine, but when I do lsof, or ls on the fubar mount, they just hang. Logs don't seem to show anything. I suppose I could just force an unmount and then remount it, but I'd like to figure out what's wrong. Help? |
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| 12:23.16 | lolufail | hi |
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| 12:24.01 | lolufail | I need some help. I have a xfs->dmcrypt->mdraid5, and it keeps crashing, can anyone tell me why? http://pastebin.com/m4ae45526 |
| 12:24.06 | chellomere | larsl, a reported lintian warning does not mean that there is a bug report. |
| 12:24.35 | lolufail | I'm close to losing my mind, I've been on this for 6 days now. |
| 12:25.14 | chellomere | larsl, newly autodiscovered warnings/errors/whatever aren't automatically being filed as bugs; you should check the bts. |
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| 12:25.51 | DGnome | Hi! Somehow NetworkManager goes really wrong and I see this in my logs: Activation (eth0) starting connection 'Ifupdown (eth1)' <-- Basically dhclient never runs and eth0 gets the same config as I have statically configured for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces.... Any ideas on where I should look? |
| 12:26.09 | chellomere | lolufail, that's not a debian kernel. |
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| 12:26.24 | bolt | lolufail: i had a broken cpu last time i had something like that, actually. switched it out (by chance, didn't think of it to debug the problem) and it all worked fine |
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| 12:26.42 | bolt | lolufail: perhaps try the setup in another machine, if possible? |
| 12:26.46 | themill | larsl: upgrading from what to what? What version of the libdevmapper1.02.1 do you have and what version of sysv-rc? |
| 12:26.48 | leOn | anyone familiar with pam_exec ? |
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| 12:27.22 | larsl | themill: Latest in Testing, let me check... |
| 12:28.07 | lolufail | chellomere: nope, it's my own, but it happenns with the debian kernel in the came manner. I tried new stuff. |
| 12:28.28 | lolufail | -came +same ;) |
| 12:28.31 | larsl | themill: sysv-rc 2.87dsf-6, libdevmapper1.02.1 2:1.02.38-1 |
| 12:28.51 | lolufail | bolt: I dont really have than many quadcores hanging around;) |
| 12:28.52 | larsl | libdevmapper1.02.1 is actually from Unstable, I got that to see if the problem was fixed. |
| 12:29.03 | lolufail | thing is, this worked fine for a smaller raid |
| 12:29.33 | chellomere | lolufail, ok |
| 12:29.37 | larsl | But now that I check with apt-file it looks like no package actually owns the offending /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02. Maybe it was left over from an older package. |
| 12:29.53 | chellomere | cringes while reading the translated swedish description of libdevmapper1.02.1 |
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| 12:30.42 | themill | larsl: supposedly that bug was fixed at the beginning of 2008. Would you have edited the init script at some stage? |
| 12:30.42 | chellomere | someone had no idea what they were translating when they translated it. |
| 12:30.57 | larsl | themill: Can't remember doing that. |
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| 12:32.13 | halflife08 | chellomere: how did you recognize that it is not a debian kernel |
| 12:32.19 | larsl | There are two init scripts that dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc complains about, /etc/init.s/libdevmapper1.02 and /etc/rcS.d/S25libdevmapper1.02, neither of which is owned by any package. Is it safe to delete them? |
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| 12:32.52 | chellomere | halflife08, 2.6.28-15-core2 |
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| 12:33.03 | larsl | init.d |
| 12:33.08 | larsl | Not init.s. |
| 12:33.31 | halflife08 | chellomere: aah i see it now. thanks |
| 12:33.59 | macrobat | chellomere: i have seen the ".wav" sound file format translated as "våg" |
| 12:34.09 | larsl | macrobat: =D |
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| 12:34.21 | chellomere | macrobat, haha :) |
| 12:34.37 | chellomere | but seriously, "Linuxkärnans enhetsmappare användarrumsbibliotek"? |
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| 12:35.20 | larsl | just keeps his system set to en_US.UTF-8... I guess it's for the best. |
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| 12:36.33 | macrobat | its so difficult for me to help my parents out with their computer and guess what the error messages are about :) |
| 12:36.43 | mazpe | whats the package the install the latest firefox? |
| 12:37.58 | themill | larsl: I *think* /etc/init.d/lvm2 replaced the libdevmapper init script at some stage during the lenny release cycle. See if you've got that init script and perhaps see if it looks like a replacement. |
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| 12:38.18 | mazpe | aptitude firefox doesnt seem to exist |
| 12:38.20 | macrobat | !tell mazpe about why iceweasel |
| 12:38.40 | macrobat | did i do that right? |
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| 12:39.25 | mazpe | yeah |
| 12:39.30 | mazpe | but thats crazy |
| 12:39.32 | larsl | And 'firefox' isn't an aptitude command. |
| 12:39.41 | themill | mazpe: tell that to Mozilla Corp. |
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| 12:40.07 | larsl | themill: Yeah, I've got that. I'll go ahead and delete the libdevmapper scripts then. |
| 12:40.25 | themill | larsl: hmm looking at the scripts from etch and lenny, they look pretty different though ;( |
| 12:40.35 | macrobat | mazpe: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32288 |
| 12:40.36 | larsl | I won't know if it's working until I reboot, which I probably won't until I get a new kernel. Yay for suspend-to-RAM! |
| 12:41.10 | themill | larsl: actually, looking at the libdevmapper init script I have here, all it does is modprobe a couple of modules. |
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| 12:48.24 | larsl | themill: Yes, lvm2 seems to be something different. |
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| 12:49.00 | niklaswe | does someoen has any good howto about openafs-server ? |
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| 12:49.58 | larsl | I don't think I actually use LVM. |
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| 12:51.25 | remoteCTR1 | hi guys! i just sudo apt-get installed git but when i enter git as a command bash tells me command not found, also sudo find / -name git tells me there is a /usr/share/doc/git and a /usr/share/bug/git can anyone tell me where my executable is? |
| 12:51.37 | EvilGuru | If I recompile a Debian package and install it with -i, apt (correctly) wants to reinstall the current repo version. What is the correct way to use your own debs? |
| 12:51.48 | valdyn | remoteCTR1: have you read the package description to the package "git" ? |
| 12:51.58 | mischief | !tell remoteCTR1 about why aptitude |
| 12:52.03 | remoteCTR1 | valdyn, nope i wasnt aware there is any? |
| 12:52.14 | chellomere | remoteCTR1, I don't think you installed what you wanted. apt-cache show git. |
| 12:52.19 | valdyn | remoteCTR1: you werent aware that every package has a description? |
| 12:52.31 | chellomere | !git |
| 12:52.32 | dpkg | Git is a version control system created by Linus Torvalds, currently used to maintain the Linux kernel. Install the 'git-core' package to provide. http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour http://git-scm.com/ #git on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:52.42 | mischief | remoteCTR1, try dpkg -L git |
| 12:52.46 | woshty | EvilGuru: hold? |
| 12:52.59 | remoteCTR1 | chellomere, that could help! |
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| 12:53.37 | remoteCTR1 | and help it did! |
| 12:53.43 | remoteCTR1 | thanks guys! |
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| 12:54.50 | EvilGuru | woshty: Got a man page/ |
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| 12:57.22 | woshty | EvilGuru: man dpkg, search for hold |
| 12:58.22 | woshty | EvilGuru: though i have only set this in aptitude .. |
| 12:59.37 | macrobat | EvilGuru: maybe you can set higher version numbers on your own compiles |
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| 13:00.27 | EvilGuru | macrobat: Possibly, my version is the same as the debian one but with some ubuntu-esque patches, so I'll look into hold |
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| 13:00.39 | larsl | Yes, dpkg hold is the way to go. |
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| 13:01.12 | Yucatan | hey guys i installed xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse but i still cannot mouse my mouse outside x to my windows |
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| 13:09.30 | moty66 | hello, I am installing debian on dell poweredge 1750 with scsi controller, but the installer wizard can't see my harddrivers, any hint ? |
| 13:09.49 | justin | moty66: what version of debian? |
| 13:10.09 | moty66 | lenny |
| 13:10.54 | moty66 | justin: lenny, downloaded today from the debian.org |
| 13:11.13 | larsl | If I want a 2.6.31 kernel with the RT patch that works well with Debian, what's the most reliable way of getting that? Just download the code from kernel.org, apply the RT patch, copy a config file from my current 2.6.30 Debian kernel, and run make-kpkg? |
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| 13:12.05 | sepult | larsl: ketchup |
| 13:13.44 | larsl | sepult: Hm, how do you mean? |
| 13:13.58 | sepult | larsl: apt-cache show ketchup |
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| 13:14.24 | niklaswe | how will i fix hit niklas.allow.se/debian-error |
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| 13:14.55 | larsl | sepult: But that just seems to be a tool for patching between different kernel source trees - is there something Debian-specific about it? |
| 13:14.58 | justin | moty66: did the megaraid driver load? |
| 13:15.03 | themill | dpkg: tell niklaswe about new archive key |
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| 13:16.02 | themill | niklaswe: that solves numbers 1 and 3. Follow the instructions on debian-multimedia.org and install the debian-multimedia-keyring package to solve number 2. |
| 13:16.42 | larsl | sepult: Getting and patching the code isn't my problem, I'm just wondering if there is something that should be done to make sure that it works well with a Debian system. If some extra patches are required or something like that. |
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| 13:17.32 | larsl | thinks debian-multimedia should have an RT kernel. |
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| 13:17.41 | sepult | larsl: you have to get the devloper scripts like, i think, |
| 13:17.41 | sepult | devsssscripts or so |
| 13:17.45 | sepult | uups |
| 13:17.50 | sepult | sorry for the typos |
| 13:18.34 | moty66 | justin: I don't know, I am newbie, i didn't ever worked with raid, how can I check if the driver is loaded or not ? |
| 13:18.51 | the-dude | moty66: lsmod? |
| 13:19.07 | ranix | modprobe -l also works |
| 13:19.17 | larsl | sepult: I'm not planning on uploading the package anywhere, I just want a deb package of an RT-patched kernel to use locally. |
| 13:19.22 | ranix | what driver are you talking about |
| 13:19.24 | moty66 | the-dude: Can I run a shell command from the installer wizard ? |
| 13:19.25 | frediz | \amethyst: thanks for your help yesterday, my issue is fixed now :) |
| 13:19.37 | ranix | md is less of a driver and more of a kernel module and application suite |
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| 13:19.55 | iamleneko | hi |
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| 13:20.49 | moty66 | justin: you asked me about the megarid driver if it was loaded or not, how can I check that during the installation ? |
| 13:21.13 | larsl | I'll just use make-kpkg on a patched kernel.org kernel and see if something breaks. |
| 13:21.51 | justin | moty66: run lsmod |
| 13:22.21 | macrobat | moty66: change tty, ctrl-alt-F1 or F2 |
| 13:22.30 | sepult | larsl: make-kpkg debian |
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| 13:22.39 | macrobat | is the graphical installer on F3 or F5? |
| 13:22.46 | sepult | larsl: that will ensure it's build the debian way |
| 13:22.48 | iamleneko | i have had a cron task in the cron.daily folder but it doesn't seem to work, is there some special thing to do else than put a file in the folder ? |
| 13:23.02 | moty66 | ok, I got it, I have to start the installation |
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| 13:25.08 | Titan8990 | !tell iamleneko about cron |
| 13:25.40 | iamleneko | !tell iamleneko about crond |
| 13:25.45 | iamleneko | !tell iamleneko about crontab |
| 13:25.56 | larsl | Haha, "left behind a memory leak". |
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| 13:29.51 | Yucatan | hello |
| 13:29.51 | Yucatan | wtf |
| 13:29.51 | Yucatan | lagg? |
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| 13:29.52 | iamleneko | what ? |
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| 13:29.53 | jelly | ba dum tssch |
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| 13:29.54 | moty66 | justin: I have megaraid_box, megaraid_mm and scsi_mod loaded |
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| 13:29.54 | justin | moty66: what does dmesg say? |
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| 13:29.55 | Yucatan | hahah:P |
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| 13:30.01 | moty66 | justin: tons of lines, but things relative to megaraid are: megaraid: probe new device 0x1028 ..... etc |
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| 13:30.09 | justin | moty66: no drives? |
| 13:30.24 | justin | moty66: is the array maybe not setup in the raid bios? |
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| 13:31.05 | moty66 | hrmmm, maybe, I will reboot to setup that |
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| 13:32.13 | moty66 | justin: do I have to initialize the hard-drivers from the raid controller, or I can leave it to debian |
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| 13:32.35 | DGnome | Is there a way to influence which interface NetworkManager selects for routing and dns? My setup is as follows: eth0 unconfigured (internet) and managed, eth1 statically configured for local network and managed by NM... |
| 13:32.38 | justin | moty66: do it from the raid bios |
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| 13:33.09 | moty66 | ok |
| 13:33.26 | justin | DGnome: setup eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces and don't touch it with NM |
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| 13:34.15 | DGnome | justin: tried that, NM steals config for eth1 and applies it on eth0 |
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| 13:34.38 | DGnome | justin: results in two interfaces with 192.168.1.1 and so on... |
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| 13:35.28 | larsl | DGnome: Do you have managed=false somewhere in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf? |
| 13:35.41 | DGnome | larsl: not anymore |
| 13:35.58 | rss | Can anyone invite me to Google Wave? |
| 13:36.11 | larsl | I thought you needed that to tell NM to stay off interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 13:36.37 | DGnome | larsl: when false, NM will not touch interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:36.48 | DGnome | -? |
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| 13:36.53 | DGnome | copypaste :D |
| 13:37.06 | larsl | DGnome: I believe so? |
| 13:37.15 | nichos | hi all, is piding broken in lenny? I'm going in circles with dependencies: pidgin: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:37.16 | DGnome | yeah, when false, NM stays off |
| 13:37.45 | larsl | nichos: Even with dist-upgrade? |
| 13:37.50 | stew | nichos: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libpurple0 pidgin" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:38.33 | nichos | stew http://pastebin.com/d661f7e0f |
| 13:38.44 | nachos | nichos: you are nearly a theif |
| 13:38.55 | nachos | either that or my long lost brother |
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| 13:39.09 | nichos | larsl, dist-upgrade is good, no errors anywhere |
| 13:39.09 | nachos | whos name i dont know but presence i remember |
| 13:39.28 | nichos | nachos, i get called nachos often, but been using this name on irc since the 90's:) |
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| 13:39.57 | nachos | nichos: hehe |
| 13:39.59 | stew | nichos: oh, becuase you are mixing stable and unstable. the dist-upgrade will get you running unstable completely |
| 13:40.06 | stew | nichos: all of which is bad |
| 13:40.44 | ranix | nichos: why are you using unstable sources |
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| 13:40.56 | stew | nichos: you are using unstable source, but missing the incompatible stable security sources |
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| 13:41.54 | nichos | stew, should i change stable in source.list to testing? |
| 13:42.15 | ranix | testing and unstable are different |
| 13:42.37 | nichos | i seem to have mixed them :/ |
| 13:42.37 | stew | nichos: what release do you actually intend to be running? |
| 13:42.37 | ranix | unstable is sid, the cutting edge, the "your system can and will break every 2 or 3 days" |
| 13:42.54 | nichos | stew, should be testing |
| 13:43.02 | stew | testing is 'when it breaks, it may break for weeks at a time' |
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| 13:43.26 | radoe | nichos: which one would you like to run? If you just like to have a newer pidgin, stay stable and use the one from backports. |
| 13:43.44 | stew | radoe: its too late for that, unless he reinstalls |
| 13:43.53 | stew | but yes, that would have been a better idea |
| 13:44.03 | nichos | it sounds like that's what I shouldve done |
| 13:44.09 | ranix | nichos: did you already perform a dist-upgrade to unstable? |
| 13:44.26 | nichos | i think so |
| 13:44.34 | nichos | everything is fine except pidgin |
| 13:44.47 | radoe | nichos: what did you do exactly? |
| 13:44.54 | ranix | nichos: you are basically boned bro, I don't know a good way to undo this without a reinstall |
| 13:44.55 | nichos | so perhaps I'll leave it for now until i can re-install:) |
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| 13:45.18 | ranix | nichos: you can remove your security line until you re-install; there are no security updates for Sid |
| 13:45.24 | ranix | nichos: then install pidgin |
| 13:45.55 | nichos | gotcha |
| 13:45.57 | stew | if he's going to run testing he can leave security |
| 13:45.58 | nichos | thanks for all the help guys |
| 13:46.16 | ranix | stew: he can't if he's already goofed a dist-upgrade with an unstable sources.list |
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| 13:48.08 | radoe | nichos: but, if you have unstable in sources.list, your paste ist rather confusing. apt should have picked the right libpurple0 then, as it is available as shown in your paste... |
| 13:48.13 | jelly | stew: all hope for DTSA is lost? |
| 13:48.23 | stew | jelly: DTSA? |
| 13:48.31 | jelly | testing-security |
| 13:48.33 | ranix | !dtsa |
| 13:48.37 | stew | jelly: not afaik |
| 13:48.49 | DGnome | justin && larsl :: NM is now not allowed to touch eth1, eth1 is configured in /etc/network/interfaces as static... NM somehow uses the static conf for eth1 on eth0 and I now have two interfaces configured as 192.168.1.1 :) |
| 13:48.51 | jelly | oh, by "leave" you meant "leave it enabled" |
| 13:48.59 | stew | yeah |
| 13:49.19 | justin | DGnome: tell NM not to do that then? |
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| 13:49.49 | DGnome | justin: just did |
| 13:50.02 | DGnome | justin: by telling it to leafe ifupdown unmanaged |
| 13:50.06 | smacnay | Hi, I am running kde and trying to use konqueror to do my banking. It seems that there is either no ssl installed or none configured. How do I do this for konq? |
| 13:50.11 | DGnome | justin: leave.. |
| 13:50.20 | larsl | DGnome: I've never had that particular problem, the only time I've had to battle with NM is when I wanted it to stay off an ethernet port that I used for a local DHCP server. |
| 13:50.20 | justin | DGnome: no, i mean reconfigure eth0 |
| 13:50.31 | moty66 | justin: very strange, after configuring the array, the server stoped booting from the CD !!! |
| 13:50.48 | justin | DGnome: i dont think it is "taking" the configuration from eth1, it is probably just configured to use that ip |
| 13:50.51 | larsl | smacnay: No SSL? You mean Konqueror can't do HTTPS at all? |
| 13:50.53 | justin | moty66: hit f12? |
| 13:51.04 | DGnome | justin: how should I accomplish that? |
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| 13:51.19 | justin | DGnome: by configuring the iterface with the gui? |
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| 13:52.01 | moty66 | justin: f12 is for pxe boot |
| 13:52.16 | justin | moty66: whatever F key it says for the boot menu then |
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| 13:52.39 | moty66 | it is f1, but nothing happens |
| 13:52.56 | moty66 | i tried to disable the controller again from the bios, then the server can boot from the cd |
| 13:53.04 | smacnay | larsl: not unless there is some hidden config option. |
| 13:53.14 | moty66 | it seems that I have conflict between the controller and the cd driver |
| 13:53.51 | larsl | smacnay: What is it complaining about? That it doesn't recognise the certificates, or that it simply doesn't know about a HTTPS protocol? |
| 13:54.37 | themill | lenny? |
| 13:54.56 | smacnay | larsl: connection to server is refused... maybe it doesn't like the browser id? |
| 13:55.18 | larsl | Yeah, that sounds like a server side issue. |
| 13:55.21 | larsl | Or proxy. |
| 13:55.28 | DGnome | justin: can't be edited by the gnome-applet |
| 13:55.39 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: go into Settings > Configure Konq > |
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| 13:55.57 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: I am there |
| 13:56.02 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: alternately in kcontrol > kde components (?) > .. |
| 13:56.18 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: on left column, see Security or something? |
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| 13:57.22 | DGnome | justin: and the funny thing is.. Activation (eth0) starting connection 'Ifupdown (eth1)' <-- that would be where the funky config comes from |
| 13:57.43 | justin | DGnome: what exactly do you have in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 13:57.45 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: but yeah, many sites don't like konq - you install some Browser ID plugins (useragent?) to alter the ID, but sometimes even that won't work, you might need to enable Java, etc |
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| 13:58.05 | `lazy | how i can see my pcie gfxcards BusID ? |
| 13:58.08 | xeon-enouf | the thing i did like about konqout was the blacklist/whitelist ability on a site-by-site basis |
| 13:58.25 | justin | `lazy: why do you want to know that? |
| 13:58.39 | ranix | !xyproblem |
| 13:58.40 | dpkg | [xyproblem] people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
| 13:59.06 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: i bet ##debian-kde (or some other kde related channel) might be better for you - buttry to narrow it down; do other httpS sites work ok? |
| 13:59.26 | `lazy | justin: for x |
| 13:59.37 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: is libssl* installed? (dpkg -l libssl* | grep ^.i) |
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| 13:59.45 | ranix | `lazy: what are you actually trying to do |
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| 14:00.04 | smacnay | is there a libgnokii for kde? Seems it is a virtual package and is required for kdpim to install |
| 14:00.08 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: will check |
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| 14:00.33 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: a) which kde version b) which debian release |
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| 14:01.06 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: Debian sid - kde4 |
| 14:01.06 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: apt-get update ; apt-cache search gnokii |
| 14:01.11 | xeon-enouf | ugh .. |
| 14:01.13 | DGnome | justin: http://pastebin.com/d748c672b |
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| 14:01.42 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: you have systemsettings installed? that replaced kcontrol |
| 14:02.08 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: i know not much about kde, i dumped kde by then |
| 14:02.12 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: not sure - I just installed kde |
| 14:02.24 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: did you install kde-full? |
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| 14:03.26 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: no - I will do that now - I did kdebase and added other parts. |
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| 14:04.48 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: seems that there is a deendency on kaddressbook which depends on libgnokii4 but version 5 is installed. |
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| 14:05.51 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: when using sid, you're on your own :-) |
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| 14:06.31 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: if i were you, i'd consider iceweasel or opera even as an alternative to konqout |
| 14:07.07 | xeon-enouf | smacnay: _only_ for those shopping/banking sites .. otherwise use links2 -g :-) |
| 14:07.17 | Titan8990 | even google chrome that is beta is a better choice imo |
| 14:07.30 | smacnay | xeon-enouf: thanks for the help. I will use iceweasel |
| 14:07.40 | xeon-enouf | last time i tried midori, it kept crashing |
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| 14:08.10 | xeon-enouf | twas some months ago atleast |
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| 14:10.55 | Night_Elf | hi all. This is a very low priority question but still... how can one add screensaver themes to a debian gnome installation? There are only about 5 under "system->Prefferences->screensavr" |
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| 14:11.22 | Night_Elf | In the meanwhile, ubuntu has tens of them |
| 14:12.03 | themill | Night_Elf: "apt-cache search gnome screensaver" would be where I'd start to look. |
| 14:13.01 | squarism | if a machine (one ip addr) has 3 different hostnames registered in DNS... how can you configure apache2 to have different virutal hosts for each? |
| 14:13.36 | petemc | squarism: the situation you describe is 'standard' , so the normal way.. |
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| 14:16.56 | \amethyst | squarism: something like NameVirtualHost *:80 then a bunch of <VirtualHost *:80> blocks with the ServerName set appropriately |
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| 14:17.28 | \amethyst | squarism: in, for example, /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 14:17.49 | squarism | \amethyst, ah ok.. thanx |
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| 14:18.21 | \amethyst | squarism: or create your own file in sites-available/blah with your desired virtualhost config (or even one for each), then a2dissite default; a2ensite blah |
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| 14:18.56 | xeon-enouf | dissite here? :-P |
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| 14:19.14 | eshat | hmmm strange,... amarok-common 2.2.0 is in sid bit amarok is still beta... |
| 14:19.22 | eshat | *but |
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| 14:20.26 | Titan8990 | eshat, why is that strange? |
| 14:21.05 | \amethyst | eshat: amarok 2.2.0-1 has only been compiled for amd64 it appears |
| 14:21.09 | \amethyst | eshat: so far |
| 14:21.20 | themill | eshat: the amarok web page doesn't announce 2.2.0 yet, but it's been tagged in git |
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| 14:21.37 | \amethyst | ah, just uploaded yesterday |
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| 14:22.09 | \amethyst | eshat: either wait for the autobuilders to get to it, or apt-get source and build the package yourself |
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| 14:24.15 | liable | i dont think you can class cycling on irc as exercise! |
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| 14:27.40 | Schizoid | I have issued the command 'apt-cdrom -d /mnt/cdrom add' |
| 14:27.58 | Schizoid | but when I try to install something from the cdrom apt says the drive is not mounted, which it is |
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| 14:29.44 | Schizoid | Well, I just got it to work by linking /mnt/cdrom to /cdrom, but why is it looking to /cdrom and not /mnt/cdrom? |
| 14:29.59 | xeon-enouf | shingouz: symlinks and udev ruls |
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| 14:30.04 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 14:30.15 | xeon-enouf | Schizoid: : symlinks and udev rules |
| 14:30.23 | xeon-enouf | not your shingouz - bad tab |
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| 14:30.37 | xeon-enouf | s/your/you/ badkeyboard :-p |
| 14:30.42 | Schizoid | lorf |
| 14:30.50 | Schizoid | is there something wrong with my sources.list? |
| 14:31.02 | Schizoid | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Unofficial bpo i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090413-22:27]/ lenny main |
| 14:31.04 | xeon-enouf | Schizoid: does /mnt/cdrom exist? |
| 14:31.07 | Schizoid | yes |
| 14:31.11 | Schizoid | that is where the cd is mounted |
| 14:31.12 | xeon-enouf | Schizoid: /cdrom is a symlink |
| 14:31.20 | Schizoid | yes, i just made it |
| 14:31.33 | Schizoid | apt can only use a cdrom if it is at /cdrom? |
| 14:31.34 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, Schizoid |
| 14:31.40 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 14:31.46 | Schizoid | >:o |
| 14:31.55 | themill | apt shaddup |
| 14:31.56 | apt | fine, be that way! |
| 14:32.21 | xeon-enouf | Schizoid: it might be coded to look for and use that - i THINK it's assigned somewhere in /etc/defaults/ or udev rules, i forget offhand now |
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| 14:32.29 | xeon-enouf | er /etc/default/ |
| 14:32.35 | liable | aww, poor apt. noone ever talks to him |
| 14:33.10 | xeon-enouf | $ rgrep -i cdrom /etc/default/ && $ rgrep -i cdrom /etc/udev |
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| 14:33.46 | xeon-enouf | oops, remove those @$prompts |
| 14:33.46 | liable | why the second $ ? |
| 14:34.03 | xeon-enouf | what about "remove" is unclear? :-) |
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| 14:34.14 | superlinux | hi. how can i make the default desktop/window manager change according to the user login? |
| 14:34.46 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: maybe their ~/.dmrc file? not so sure |
| 14:34.57 | themill | kdm will obey an ~/.dmrc |
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| 14:35.54 | superlinux | guys? is't related to gdm or kdm? |
| 14:36.20 | themill | parse error... |
| 14:36.29 | xeon-enouf | ENODMHERE |
| 14:36.37 | xeon-enouf | hides |
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| 14:37.16 | Emery | i'm trying to install Debian 5 PPC, but it gets to about 80% then i get some error .. about unable to install busybox |
| 14:37.18 | Emery | any ideas ? |
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| 14:37.32 | Heebie-II | Hello. Does anyone know if you can install the 64-bit lib files on a running Debian box that has a 32-bit userspace right now.. but a 64-bit kernel? |
| 14:38.24 | xeon-enouf | Emery: what does alt-f4 say? |
| 14:38.40 | ranix | xeon-enouf: ? |
| 14:38.57 | Emery | xeon-enouf, give me a few, i'll re-start the installation |
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| 14:39.11 | xeon-enouf | Heebie-II: no - well - if you can, it'll be extremely painful .. or you could setup a 64bit chroot |
| 14:39.18 | superlinux | I hope you did you understood me. i'll rephrase: I have user X who loves GNOME and user Y who loves KDE . both use gdm to login. how can I make the default session change according to each one's preference just automatically once a correct password is entered? |
| 14:39.25 | Linuturk | anyone here have a google wave invite to spare? |
| 14:39.25 | xeon-enouf | ranix: about ? |
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| 14:39.37 | Heebie-II | xeon-enouf: Any ideas on where I'd find a walkthrough for a 64-bit chroot? |
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| 14:39.59 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: replace gdm with kdm, if setting up their ~/.dmrc doesn't workj out |
| 14:40.19 | superlinux | ok brother. thanks |
| 14:40.25 | xeon-enouf | Heebie-II: /msg dpkg debootstrap and wiki.debian.org, etc |
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| 14:40.57 | jpinx-eeepc | not really debian specific - but does anyone know how to recover the spare space on a usb stick alongside a live image, and still leave the image useable? |
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| 14:41.05 | Heebie-II | Thanks for the suggestions xeon-enouf! |
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| 14:41.30 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: shrink partition and FS? add new partition and FS from space you created? |
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| 14:41.57 | EvilGuru | I was quite impressed to see Gnash/Youtube/Iceweasel work out of the box in Squeeze; however, there is no audio |
| 14:42.02 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: yea - I thought that mght be it - but will shrinking the live image leave it bootable? |
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| 14:42.15 | EvilGuru | Video plays fine; mplayer + xine + other stuff works audio wise |
| 14:42.17 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you don't shrink the 'live image' |
| 14:42.29 | boxxertrumps | hey, enouf, why xeon- before your usual nick? |
| 14:42.35 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: ok - explain please? |
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| 14:42.58 | greycat | I have a box that I just upgraded etch->lenny. The etch 2.6.18 kernel sees the greater-than-2-TB RAID disk fine. The lenny 2.6.26 kernel does NOT. The 2.6.26 kernel thinks it's a 250 GB disk. |
| 14:42.59 | boxxertrumps | you running that box with one of thoose cpus |
| 14:43.03 | xeon-enouf | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 1700MHz |
| 14:43.10 | xeon-enouf | ok? :-P |
| 14:43.19 | xeon-enouf | 2 of 'em |
| 14:43.22 | boxxertrumps | had a feeling |
| 14:43.27 | boxxertrumps | oh, neat |
| 14:43.43 | xeon-enouf | Dual CPU machine (MP) |
| 14:43.52 | greycat | Is there some weird thing you have to do to the 2.6.26 kernel to make it recognize "very big device" like 2.6.18 does? |
| 14:43.58 | boxxertrumps | kicks the crap out of my q6600 |
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| 14:44.04 | boxxertrumps | the q6600 sucks |
| 14:44.16 | larsl | Wow. |
| 14:44.18 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: please go learn about resizing partitions and filesystems |
| 14:44.19 | superlinux | xeon-enouf, gdm works with the dmrc file. |
| 14:44.27 | xeon-enouf | superlinux: you sure? |
| 14:44.31 | larsl | gets a compilation error in the kernel. |
| 14:44.38 | the-dude | xeon-enouf: mine is bigger :p cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep -i xeon|wc -l |
| 14:44.40 | the-dude | 4 |
| 14:44.41 | superlinux | I have just tested it |
| 14:44.43 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: reading man now ;) tks |
| 14:44.53 | superlinux | I have just already tested it |
| 14:45.01 | themill | superlinux: yeah, thought it did, but wasn't sure. Excellent. |
| 14:45.01 | xeon-enouf | greycat: LBS (Large Block/File Support) you mean? |
| 14:45.08 | torgrimt | themill: fail ;) got 16 here |
| 14:45.10 | torgrimt | hehe |
| 14:45.21 | greycat | I don't know what it's called. dmesg on 2.6.18 says "sdc : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16)." |
| 14:45.23 | torgrimt | new xeons have HT aswell |
| 14:45.38 | torgrimt | greycat: create gpt label instead? |
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| 14:45.58 | greycat | torgrimt: this is a production server. the file system already exists. everything works fine on the older kernel. |
| 14:46.01 | xeon-enouf | shit, now i can't find that .config option |
| 14:46.13 | torgrimt | greycat: strange then.. modules loaded right? |
| 14:46.20 | boxxertrumps | searches around the net for windows & linux compatable domain auth junk |
| 14:46.40 | torgrimt | greycat: /dev/sdc1 11T on 2.6.26-2 |
| 14:46.43 | torgrimt | works just fine |
| 14:46.43 | greycat | torgrimt: I'm not running 2.6.26 at the moment so I can't be certain. I have the old 2.6.26 dmesg in /var/log. |
| 14:47.00 | xeon-enouf | torgrimt: HT stinks (use SMP instead), and even though these CPU flags say HT, they don'tdo it, nothing in BIOS - and supposedly only 1.8G xeons and up have that ability |
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| 14:47.27 | greycat | After spending an hour and a half running up and down stairs, restarting NFS processes on workstations that suddenly got "stale NFS file handle" etc. I'm not really in the mood to break things again right away. |
| 14:47.28 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: the new once are faster. and it really depends on your usage |
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| 14:47.34 | petemc | xeon-enouf: ht doesnt stink, in fact they're reintroducing it on newer processors |
| 14:47.37 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - resize2fs refers to partitions, but I don't have any partitions on the device which has the live image on it. Any idea how to resize a device that has no partitions? |
| 14:48.04 | torgrimt | petemc: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5570 @ 2.93GHz brand new |
| 14:48.14 | superlinux | guys! there is a big migration problem Visual FoxPro application to linux natively. I hope someone can do something about it. |
| 14:48.14 | xeon-enouf | aha - it's LBD |
| 14:48.15 | xeon-enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/block/Kconfig#L26 |
| 14:48.44 | xeon-enouf | greycat: i have here; ~$ grep LBD /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:48.44 | xeon-enouf | CONFIG_LBD=y |
| 14:48.55 | greycat | ah, good, I do have the /var/log/boot.0 as well from the failed 2.6.26 |
| 14:48.56 | superlinux | I passed by a company here in Lebanon who still depends on VFP. |
| 14:48.59 | xeon-enouf | petemc: um .. they? |
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| 14:49.07 | themill | judd kconfig lbd --release lenny |
| 14:49.09 | judd | themill: Searching for 'lbd' in lenny kernel config gives LBD=y. |
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| 14:49.10 | xeon-enouf | petemc: as in Linux kernel devs? haha |
| 14:49.17 | greycat | xeon-enouf: same here. CONFIG_LBD=y on all the /boot/config-* |
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| 14:49.28 | xeon-enouf | themill: : oh .. nice! |
| 14:49.42 | petemc | xeon-enouf: i dont believe the linux devs actually produce the processors, for the main part |
| 14:49.49 | xeon-enouf | themill: now to get judd to answer to "judd that's awesome!" |
| 14:50.06 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: meant that HT is going back in the newer xeons |
| 14:50.13 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: and its actually much better now |
| 14:50.20 | xeon-enouf | petemc: that's all that matters ... - i know what he meant |
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| 14:50.33 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: and depending on what you run on you r machines, it can be an major improvement |
| 14:50.48 | xeon-enouf | torgrimt: for redmond OSes possiblt |
| 14:50.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.01 | superlinux | as far as I know microsoft stopped VFP's support for good. it shutdown the project. Those people are now talking of reprogramming their system on Java. 3 years of work. |
| 14:51.02 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: i dont run any redmond.. |
| 14:51.06 | torgrimt | xeon-enouf: its debian only ;) |
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| 14:52.06 | xeon-enouf | greycat: no idea what's wrong then ... without further info / description of problem .. let me reread what you wrote already (it's busy in here :-P) |
| 14:52.09 | jetscreamer | so debian development of packages has vendor hooks targeted at other flavors, why/what/when was debian, well, whored out to ubuntu and now we get bug reports on dpkg, for instance, that have nothing to do with debian.. and fixes. |
| 14:53.05 | karme | is there a way to have different connection tracking timeouts for replied and unreplied established connections? or is there a script using the conntrack utility program to clear unreplied entries after some time manually? |
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| 14:53.55 | greycat | 2.6.26 says "sd 1:0:0:0: [sdc] 488390625 512-byte hardware sectors (250056 MB)" (wrong!) while 2.6.18 says "sdc : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16). SCSI device sdc: 13651132416 512-byte hdwr sectors (6989380 MB)" |
| 14:54.02 | Emery | xeon-enouf, in regards to that busybox message ... error base-installer/kernel/failed-package-install |
| 14:54.07 | boxxertrumps | there's this system at my school where we log on with a user and pass assigned to each student, and when we log into the computers there's a volume in "my computer" labeled something, and each student has a unique one accessable from any computer on the schools network |
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| 14:54.09 | xeon-enouf | greycat: does the 'greater-than-2-TB RAID' have some sort of underlying proprietary setup? like some NAS software, or Enclosure-specific software?, LVM (non-linux), etc etc |
| 14:54.53 | boxxertrumps | i was curious if there was anything like that for linux, some auth/fileserver software |
| 14:55.00 | xeon-enouf | greycat: also, IINM, MSDOS partition labels can only see up to ~2TB .. so your .18 is likely using LVM? |
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| 14:55.13 | boxxertrumps | i haven't been able to find anything |
| 14:55.19 | Emery | xeon-enouf, in regards to that busybox message ... error base-installer/kernel/failed-package-install |
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| 14:55.31 | \amethyst | boxxertrumps: what OSes do you need to support? |
| 14:55.39 | xeon-enouf | greycat: see what parted, fdisk et al say about detected size and label |
| 14:55.45 | boxxertrumps | \amethyst: linux and maybe windows |
| 14:55.47 | greycat | xeon-enouf: it's a commercial cabinet, I forget the vendor name. It presents a RAID 5 of several SATA disks as a single SCSI disk (or more than one SCSI disk if I configure it that way). Configuration is done either through buttons on the front panel or through a serial port. |
| 14:55.49 | xeon-enouf | Emery: that's all? |
| 14:55.55 | boxxertrumps | windows less important |
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| 14:56.20 | xeon-enouf | greycat: that's where i'd look for underlying issues indeed |
| 14:56.23 | larsl | boxxertrumps: OpenAFS? |
| 14:56.30 | Emery | xeon-enouf, yeah that's all |
| 14:56.45 | boxxertrumps | i actually want to get our accounting software working on linux, so people cant use and get my bos's machine infected |
| 14:56.46 | greycat | fdisk -l /dev/sdc under 2.6.18 says "WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdc'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. \n\n Disk /dev/sdc: 6989.3 GB, 6989379796992 bytes" |
| 14:56.53 | boxxertrumps | larsl: i'll look it up. |
| 14:56.55 | xeon-enouf | aha! |
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| 14:57.01 | \amethyst | boxxertrumps: you'd use a ldap server (e.g. slapd) to store the user database, maybe smbldap-tools to set up accounts, and NFS and/or samba to share the home directories |
| 14:57.21 | xeon-enouf | greycat: so it is using GPT already ... |
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| 14:57.46 | \amethyst | boxxertrumps: OpenAFS would work, too, but with samba + ldap you can have it work with Windows without third-party tools |
| 14:57.52 | eshat | is ther ea debian site telling me, which packages are being compiled and than available in sid ? |
| 14:57.58 | Emery | xeon-enouf, although alt+F2 gives me busybox |
| 14:58.19 | \amethyst | not sure what OpenAFS does about user management |
| 14:58.26 | larsl | eshat: Other than packages.debian.org? |
| 14:58.38 | xeon-enouf | Emery: hrm .. did you already get to and go through the partitioning stages? |
| 14:59.10 | Emery | xeon-enouf, all i did was follow the steps and got that error |
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| 14:59.21 | Emery | so yes |
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| 15:00.04 | Emery | it gets past that ... it installs the base system and gets to about 80% |
| 15:00.07 | Emery | then i get that error |
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| 15:01.17 | jair | hello guys, I am doing an installation of debian lenny amd64 on a server "xseries 3550" it is a pretty new IBM server uisng the broadcom nic extreme II basically I try using the lenny netinst and failed to detect the network adapter, so if I continue with the installation I will not be able to install make and gcc needed to compile the bnx2 driver |
| 15:01.50 | petemc | jair: the lenny installer has bnx2, but you may need to add firmware |
| 15:01.51 | jair | I guess if I use the full version DVDs of debian I shlould be able to scan the DVDs and install make and gcc from the first two DVDs? does anybody have an idea? |
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| 15:02.18 | justin | jair: you do not need to install make or gcc |
| 15:02.25 | justin | jair: you need to install the bnx2 firmware package |
| 15:02.27 | boxxertrumps | logs into his fax server to apt instal ldap |
| 15:02.27 | JyZyXEL | god damnit my display keeps turning off after 5 minutes of inactivity |
| 15:02.29 | jair | petemc: correct! I am sorry for not saying that it is just the firmware what I need. petemc is 100% correct |
| 15:02.32 | JyZyXEL | what the hell is causing it |
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| 15:03.05 | jetscreamer | blanking |
| 15:03.07 | themill | JyZyXEL: nerd rage and rudeness |
| 15:03.08 | jair | justin: I will need to have access to the non-free I think and I do not have any other way to connect to the internet if the nic is not working |
| 15:03.29 | xeon-enouf | greycat: since i'm not so familiar, i'd check into http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/fs/partitions/Kconfig and compare which config (all on that page at the least) options are set within each -- maybe your .26 's initrd isn't loading up some required module, like device-mapper (dm-mod), or something LVM/LVM2 related |
| 15:03.34 | justin | jair: how do you plan on getting the bnx2 driver source onto the machine? |
| 15:03.40 | jair | justin: petemc guys, how can I add that firmware if I don't have network connectivity yet |
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| 15:03.51 | greycat | xeon-enouf: it's a completely vanilla lenny 2.6.26-2-686 kernel :-/ |
| 15:03.52 | petemc | jair: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 15:03.58 | xeon-enouf | greycat: also - maybe people in ##kernel will know more |
| 15:03.58 | boxxertrumps | just realised the ip on his fax server has changed... |
| 15:04.11 | xeon-enouf | greycat: i understand - things change though :-) |
| 15:04.14 | \amethyst | jair: download it on another machine and put it on a flash drive |
| 15:04.14 | jair | justin: I was thinking on google it :( |
| 15:04.51 | justin | jair: you don't have any usb sticks? |
| 15:04.55 | themill | greycat: the loading of dm-* modules has changed from etch to lenny. (I don't deal with this sort of stuff at all, but noticed it earlier today with someone cleaning up init scripts) |
| 15:04.58 | justin | jair: firmware-bnx2 is a few hundred k |
| 15:05.00 | jair | wait a minute guys, how can I download that firmware? from a debian non-free repo or the broadcom website? |
| 15:05.08 | xeon-enouf | greycat: like for the longest time, .18 had much better XEN support than much more newer kernels (atleast in debian) -- this is all unrelated to _your_ issue - just an example |
| 15:05.10 | justin | jair: packages.debian.org/firmware-bnx2 |
| 15:05.27 | jair | justin: you are the man, so it will be a .deb file? |
| 15:05.43 | justin | of course |
| 15:06.04 | jair | the reson I was mentioning gcc and make is because I was thinking on compiling the driver I downloaded from broadcom.com |
| 15:06.19 | jair | but I will check that then |
| 15:06.20 | xeon-enouf | greycat: you can inspect initrds - cp each one into it;s own newly made dir/, then "zcat initrd-img-$VERS |
| 15:06.23 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 15:06.37 | xeon-enouf | greycat: you can inspect initrds - cp each one into it;s own newly made dir/, then "zcat initrd-img-$VER | cpio -i" each |
| 15:06.40 | jair | thank you so much for the suggestions all of you I really appreciate this =) |
| 15:06.49 | greycat | xeon-enouf: looking for what? |
| 15:07.06 | jair | I did not want to go with any other distribution out there... :) I love Debian. |
| 15:07.10 | xeon-enouf | greycat: dm-* stuff |
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| 15:07.10 | jair | thank you guys |
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| 15:07.19 | jair | let me see if I can get the nic to work |
| 15:08.00 | xeon-enouf | greycat: you can list needed modules in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then "update-initramfs -k 2.6.26-whatever-uname-r-says" |
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| 15:08.30 | xeon-enouf | might also need a -u there |
| 15:08.34 | Emery | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.58 | xeon-enouf | ouch - how so Emery ? |
| 15:09.03 | greycat | xeon-enouf: neither /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 nor /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-k7 contains any files named dm_* according to zcat+cpio+find |
| 15:09.14 | Emery | xeon-enouf, not sure, it just wont install it |
| 15:09.16 | xeon-enouf | Emery: you could boot using BOOT_DEBUG=3 to get more messages |
| 15:09.17 | Emery | baffling me |
| 15:09.30 | zafy | hi guys,; I tried to install fail2ban in etch and there's what I got : http://pastebin.com/m74802806 and now I can't even remove the package cause I'm getting this : http://pastebin.com/m609a636a |
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| 15:09.41 | xeon-enouf | Emery: boot using 'expert' too - and no GUI ... /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:09.42 | zafy | can someone help me removing this package ? it's very annoying |
| 15:10.13 | xeon-enouf | Emery: which PPC version is this? i mean your PPC is what, a G3 era? OldWorld? |
| 15:10.28 | Titan8990 | judd, versions python |
| 15:10.29 | judd | Titan8990: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3 |
| 15:10.33 | xeon-enouf | Emery: see #debianppc as well - also on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:10.54 | Titan8990 | zafy, you have python 2.5 but only 2.5 available for etch... where did you get python 2.5? |
| 15:11.05 | Titan8990 | zafy, err but only 2.4 |
| 15:11.06 | themill | judd version spython2.5 |
| 15:11.06 | judd | themill: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 15:11.10 | themill | judd versions python2.5 |
| 15:11.10 | judd | themill: python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1 etch-security: 2.5-5+etch1 lenny: 2.5.2-15 squeeze: 2.5.4-1 sid: 2.5.4-2 |
| 15:11.15 | zafy | Titan8990, from a backport |
| 15:11.28 | themill | zafy: changing the default python is a very very bad thing indedd |
| 15:11.38 | justin | zafy: don't run ssh on port 22 |
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| 15:12.10 | zafy | themill, well that's done, now I need a solution |
| 15:12.17 | zafy | justin, what's that got to do with anything ? |
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| 15:12.35 | xeon-enouf | greycat: if perhaps, your setup is using 'dmraid' underneath (not plain device-mapper), you might want something like dmraid=true (google that) ..dmraid is considered a fakeraid, but .. i think there;s been some recent talk between dmraid+mdadm peoples (not that that helps you atm) |
| 15:12.37 | justin | zafy: < zafy> hi guys,; I tried to install fail2ban |
| 15:12.40 | nlindblad | If I use disk quota on a per group basis that means user of a specific group share a common disk quota? It's not a general per user quota set for a whole group? Correct? |
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| 15:13.05 | themill | justin: he might be using if for http basic auth... and your suggestion doesn't fix his apt problems |
| 15:13.16 | justin | themill: i didn't say it did :-P |
| 15:13.17 | zafy | themill, thank you |
| 15:13.32 | zafy | okay so what do I do now ? |
| 15:13.34 | themill | zafy: try changing the /usr/bin/python symlink back to python2.4 and see if you can get it to install properly |
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| 15:14.33 | greycat | xeon-enouf: if my googling is apt, it's for some sort of software RAID. I'm using hardware RAID. The host machine only sees a SCSI device. Or it's only supposed to. |
| 15:14.36 | Titan8990 | themill, i don't have my modified version on update-alterntives that will list potential link groups.... i am guessing python can be switched via update-alternatives? |
| 15:15.15 | xeon-enouf | greycat: last thought; might want to just try a lenny-backports .30 kernel, where those issues should be er .. more "ironed out" ;-) |
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| 15:15.56 | greycat | maybe in a couple weeks I'll try that :-/ |
| 15:16.04 | greycat | I mentioned "production server", right? |
| 15:16.22 | xeon-enouf | greycat: maybe your .18 has the neeeded underlying 3ware/Areca/Adaptec/etc controller support? |
| 15:16.30 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 15:16.41 | zafy | themill, I changed the symlink but it seems it's still using py2?( |
| 15:16.43 | zafy | 2.5 |
| 15:16.49 | themill | Titan8990: the python version is like the gcc and perl versions -- it's not designed to be switchable because too much will break |
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| 15:17.00 | xeon-enouf | greycat: i meant to .. well, set up a duplicate and test:-0 |
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| 15:17.27 | greycat | I can't set up a duplicate. We don't have another one of those RAID devices. |
| 15:17.33 | themill | zafy: ergh. pycentral presumably thinks it knows better at this stage. What version of the python-central package do you have installed? |
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| 15:18.06 | Titan8990 | themill, i could still see it being useful for developmental purposes.... gentoo allows you change python with their version of update-alterntives.... guaranteed to break the package manager written in python so I can see why its not included in the debian selections |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | for the SCSI host controller, dmesg (2.6.18) says "Fusion MPT base driver 3.04.01 Copyright (c) 1999-2005 LSI Logic Corporation" etc. |
| 15:18.10 | zafy | themill 0.5.12 |
| 15:18.24 | xeon-enouf | right .. ok .. well, either a) see/ask #debian-kernel on oftc.net. or ##kernel here |
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| 15:18.54 | xeon-enouf | yep LSI .. but weren't Dell PERCn also using LSI? .. oh well |
| 15:19.13 | themill | zafy: hmm.. not sure then |
| 15:19.21 | xeon-enouf | Fusion MPT ..heh (Mismanaged Partition Table :-p) |
| 15:19.32 | zafy | themill, anyway I can use update-alternatives ? |
| 15:20.01 | greycat | If I remember correctly, when we set this machine up, I went through two different SCSI controller cards before finally finding one that would let me talk to the RAID device. |
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| 15:20.15 | xeon-enouf | actually, it's likely for MultiDisk bootspec, or GPT (and maybe even EFI related) |
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| 15:20.41 | greycat | This is a Sun rack-mounted server (Xfire?) with an add-in SCSI card. |
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| 15:21.27 | zafy | anyone else ? I really need to fix this asap |
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| 15:23.07 | zafy | themill, any ideas ? |
| 15:23.15 | jelly | greycat: but intel-based? |
| 15:23.20 | themill | zafy: update-alternatives is of no use to you here. |
| 15:23.27 | zafy | okay |
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| 15:23.42 | jelly | I've only seen those lsilogic thingies in Dells. |
| 15:23.43 | zafy | themill, any manual stuff I can try? |
| 15:23.54 | greycat | Opteron CPU (dual-core), nVidia motherboard stuff |
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| 15:24.02 | jelly | /o\ |
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| 15:24.16 | greycat | ''nVidia Corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridge'' and the like |
| 15:24.40 | greycat | jelly: as I said, the SCSI card was added in by us |
| 15:25.10 | jelly | greycat: did it use the mptspi driver? |
| 15:25.10 | themill | zafy: try putting "exit 0" towards the top of /etc/init.d/fail2ban to stop it from even running. Then "aptitude -f install" will hopefully let apt think that the installation was successful |
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| 15:25.24 | greycat | jelly: that module is loaded, yes |
| 15:25.51 | xeon-enouf | zafy: you place that exit 0 on a newline just beneath the shebang |
| 15:26.12 | xeon-enouf | greycat: is that module in your initrd? |
| 15:26.13 | jelly | greycat: care to paste the .26 dmesg in case there's something obvious? |
| 15:26.16 | zafy | xeon-enouf, what do you mean ? |
| 15:26.34 | xeon-enouf | zafy: just clarifying what themill just told you |
| 15:26.44 | zafy | xeon-enouf, what's the shebang ? |
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| 15:26.52 | jelly | #! <- shebang |
| 15:27.01 | zafy | ah ok |
| 15:27.05 | xeon-enouf | zafy: shebang == #!/bin/bash |
| 15:27.07 | greycat | jelly: http://wooledge.org/~greg/dmesg-2.6.26 |
| 15:27.09 | xeon-enouf | or /sh |
| 15:27.10 | zafy | I didn't know that was it's name in english |
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| 15:27.42 | zafy | themill, still not working |
| 15:27.44 | greycat | it's "unix slang" rather than real English |
| 15:27.57 | frog_ | hi, very basic quastion, but i still don't know the answer.... i wanna some tools to network monitoring (@ home). i have for example ntop, bmon, iftop, ethereal, mrtg now... but i dont really check for example who is blocking . when i wanna check, who is blocking i must usually run ethereal and assume.. ((is right very frequently - usually it is beause of enorm many udp packets)... but i wonder, if there is any easy tool for home user, when i can see this info |
| 15:28.00 | xeon-enouf | zafy: the sh'bang really as the 'sh' == hash (#), and the bang == ! |
| 15:28.04 | frog_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | zafy | xeon-enouf, thanks, but it's not working |
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| 15:29.35 | xeon-enouf | zafy: i haven't been folowing your issue closely |
| 15:29.41 | xeon-enouf | following even |
| 15:29.41 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions unetbootin |
| 15:29.42 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: unetbootin -- squeeze: 356-1 sid: 372-1 |
| 15:29.45 | zafy | themill, any other ideas ? |
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| 15:29.58 | jelly | blinks at the dmesg |
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| 15:30.02 | themill | zafy: perhaps you can pastebin exactly what you did and what happened. Pastebinning the output of "head /etc/init.d/fail2ban; aptitude -f install" would be handy |
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| 15:30.20 | jelly | greycat: it first says 7TB, then backs out and says 250GB |
| 15:30.25 | jelly | fun! |
| 15:30.48 | zafy | themill http://pastebin.com/m11d26a7b |
| 15:31.04 | Emery | xeon-enouf, even the expert is failing to install the kernel |
| 15:31.34 | xeon-enouf | Emery: well .. i said expert so you could see more of what's going on, in stages |
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| 15:31.53 | xeon-enouf | Emery: you never answered some questions thuogh |
| 15:31.57 | greycat | Oh, they capitalized "Very" now! No wonder I couldn't find it! |
| 15:32.03 | Emery | xeon-enouf, i cant understand though, becuase it's worked with that CD before |
| 15:32.06 | greycat | I was searching it for "very big device".... |
| 15:32.18 | xeon-enouf | greycat: where? |
| 15:32.31 | greycat | [ 15.712282] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). |
| 15:32.35 | xeon-enouf | Emery: oldworld mac? |
| 15:33.06 | Emery | g3 or 4 |
| 15:33.07 | Emery | new i think |
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| 15:33.08 | xeon-enouf | greycat: ugh .. that's not something i'd expect to see/find in dmesg - heh |
| 15:33.16 | greycat | Um, I think I see another problem... it's sda instead of sdc! |
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| 15:33.30 | xeon-enouf | Emery: some/most g3 are newworld, all g4 are new |
| 15:33.36 | zafy | themill, does that help ? |
| 15:33.36 | greycat | xeon-enouf: in 2.6.18 it was all lower-case ("very big device") |
| 15:33.37 | jelly | greycat: interesting thing is that the wrong number is exactly the same size as the sata disk |
| 15:33.44 | Emery | xeon-enouf, it doesnt matter it's worked before |
| 15:33.53 | Emery | just being a pain in the arse |
| 15:34.00 | xeon-enouf | Emery: same exact CDROM media? |
| 15:34.08 | Emery | yup |
| 15:34.10 | xeon-enouf | Emery: CDROMmedia goes bad |
| 15:34.11 | jelly | greycat: what's the boot disk, scsi or sata? |
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| 15:34.27 | greycat | The boot disk is a mirrored pair of SATAs. |
| 15:34.29 | xeon-enouf | Emery: that's why you save the ISO, not the CD :-p |
| 15:34.35 | jelly | I'm assuming the cheap internal one |
| 15:34.38 | themill | zafy: ah... there's other pycentral stuff in the postinst script. stick exit 0 after the shebang of it too (/var/lib/dpkg/info/fail2ban.postinst) |
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| 15:35.25 | xeon-enouf | Emery: have you upgraded the EFI firmware in between installations? |
| 15:35.30 | greycat | This might turn out to be as stupidly simple as "What used to be sdc is now sda, and I have to edit the fstab" |
| 15:35.45 | jelly | greycat: there's a weird race condition somewhere |
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| 15:35.47 | xeon-enouf | Emery: or ROMBios or whatever it is |
| 15:35.48 | greycat | But I am not going to bounce the server any more today. |
| 15:36.07 | xeon-enouf | since it's prior to IntelMac EFI stuffs |
| 15:36.07 | zafy | themill, yes that did it |
| 15:36.11 | zafy | thanks |
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| 15:36.53 | infinity0 | how do i get dpkg-source to sign the .dsc file automatically? |
| 15:37.06 | greycat | jelly: any way I can force it to probe the SATA disks first, so they'll always be sda+sdb? |
| 15:37.19 | zafy | themill, awesome I will remember that kind of trick thank you again |
| 15:37.23 | themill | zafy: yay! Ok... now you may as well uninstall fail2ban. Now we need to fix up your python.... |
| 15:37.24 | xeon-enouf | greycat: there are/were issues with hda vs sda, but sda/sdc? it's possible i suppose, as i fallback thing occuring |
| 15:37.34 | jelly | greycat: make initramfs sleep 10 in between modprobing sata_nv and mptspi? |
| 15:37.35 | zafy | themill, it's uninstalled |
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| 15:37.49 | zafy | themill, but I need python to be 2.5 |
| 15:37.49 | xeon-enouf | use UUIDs and/or maybe LABELs greycat |
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| 15:38.05 | xeon-enouf | jelly: rootdelay= perhaps? |
| 15:38.15 | jelly | greycat: or a somewhat nicer way to delay... see if you can figure a way to blacklist mptspi and megaraid* modules from initrd |
| 15:38.15 | themill | zafy: python2.5 is already in etch -- your backport was unnecessary. If things need python, just run them with /usr/bin/python2.5 (or change the shebang line in the script) |
| 15:38.30 | Emery | xeon-enouf, gunna have a fiddle, be back a bit later |
| 15:38.34 | Emery | thanks for the help |
| 15:38.42 | xeon-enouf | ok Emery wait |
| 15:38.48 | themill | zafy: if you really really want to change /usr/bin/python to be python2.5, then you should upgrade to lenny. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:38.53 | Emery | ok |
| 15:38.54 | xeon-enouf | !tell Emery -about check iso image |
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| 15:38.59 | zafy | themill, I think I will do that |
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| 15:39.07 | xeon-enouf | Emery: also run "check integrity" once booted |
| 15:39.13 | xeon-enouf | Emery: hit f1-f10 |
| 15:39.13 | Emery | thanks mate |
| 15:39.14 | greycat | It's days like this I miss the HP-UX /dev/dsk/c0t5d0 notation. Immensely. |
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| 15:39.33 | xeon-enouf | haha .. somehow, i think he's serious |
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| 15:39.36 | zafy | but I don't really have time right now, and it's been working fine til now (don't really need fail2ban since I only accept ssh connexion with a private ssl key now |
| 15:39.38 | jelly | greycat: but here c0 and c2 swapped places. |
| 15:39.43 | zafy | but thanks for the help |
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| 15:39.52 | aphexer | I recently did a big lenny security upgrade, and now many people are complaining about ssl errors with courier imapd... Anyone here knows something about an update that could have caused this? |
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| 15:40.05 | abrotman | aphexer: what is the actual error ? |
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| 15:40.25 | jelly | greycat: hey... does 2.6.18 work because the ata disks are still /dev/hda* there (then)? |
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| 15:40.44 | aphexer | well, on the client side, it just can't get connected as far as the non-tech mails tell me, in my /var/log/syslog I can see this: imapd: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown. |
| 15:40.50 | aphexer | abrotman: ^ |
| 15:41.11 | xeon-enouf | greycat: between .18 and .26 there's been mucho libata dev and integration |
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| 15:41.13 | Night_Elf | themill: (sorry for delay) about the screensaver issue, I checked the packages and the package involved is only gnome-screensaver. Is it possible that the debian package has less themes than the ubuntu equivalent ? |
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| 15:41.14 | greycat | jelly: the RAID device shows up as /dev/sdc meaning there's sda and sdb |
| 15:41.37 | aphexer | abrotman: it only happens for some people and not all the time... Really frustrating to debug such a thing :) |
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| 15:41.44 | jelly | at least the scsi adapter modules don't jump over each other |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | aphexer: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1888 is the only recent update to ssl that i see |
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| 15:42.23 | xeon-enouf | greycat: also note what ls -l /dev/disk/* outputs in comparison |
| 15:42.27 | jelly | greycat: If you can find downtime, maybe it "just works" with a backported 2.6.30 |
| 15:42.30 | Night_Elf | themill: ok, I spoke early it seems... there's also xscreensaver-data .... |
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| 15:42.39 | xeon-enouf | greycat: those are udev generated symlinks |
| 15:42.40 | __lilibox | hi |
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| 15:42.47 | themill | Night_Elf: yep -- screensavers from the xscreensaver-* packages can normally be used too |
| 15:43.09 | aphexer | abrotman: yeah I noticed that one too. I'll verify my certificate isn't using such a MD2 hash, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case, anyway it still works for the majority of users... |
| 15:43.16 | xeon-enouf | greycat: as you know /dev (under udev) is a VFS, which is repopulated each bootup |
| 15:43.28 | abrotman | aphexer: have those people restarted their clients since the update ? |
| 15:43.31 | nparafe | i have just install debian lenny stable and i have a new ati card, can you point me to a tutorial getting 3d ati drivers to work, thank you |
| 15:43.58 | Titan8990 | !tell nparafe about ati |
| 15:43.59 | greycat | xeon-enouf: I knew that, sort of, but the details keep changing every damned year, so I never bothered trying to keep up |
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| 15:44.45 | xeon-enouf | nparafe: well - 3D? 1st try /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd (before you venture into any fglrx stuff) ..but with Lenny? both might be very painful |
| 15:44.46 | aphexer | abrotman: yeah, it even happens on the webmail which connects over ssl |
| 15:44.55 | aphexer | spread over multiple days |
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| 15:45.35 | greycat | "/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:03:08.0-scsi-0:0:0:0" doesn't look much better :( |
| 15:45.45 | aphexer | I upgraded several days ago, and some people only started complaining today, so that can't be it |
| 15:45.50 | xeon-enouf | greycat: 'blkid' is another command that might help give you a clearer picture (it should show the UUIDs as well as LABEL and FSTypes) |
| 15:46.03 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 15:46.23 | xeon-enouf | greycat: lsscsi ? (hrm ...) |
| 15:46.26 | jmarsden | Night_Elf: dpkg -L PACKAGENAME will list what files are included in each package, so you can compare them between Ubuntu and Debian if you need to. |
| 15:46.36 | jelly | greycat: at this point, the least work seems to be /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 15:47.04 | jelly | (blacklist stuff, rebuild initramfs, remove blacklists, reboot ;-) |
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| 15:47.39 | aphexer | abrotman: btw, my certificate wasn't using MD2 :) |
| 15:47.40 | Night_Elf | jmarsden: yep yep. I did that. Actually, what ubuntu had that debian was missing was only the xscreensaver-data and xscreensaver-gl packages. I installed those and now I have a myriad of themes to chose from :) |
| 15:48.02 | jmarsden | Night_Elf: OK, glad you found the cause. |
| 15:48.14 | Night_Elf | thanks :) |
| 15:48.45 | xeon-enouf | jelly: i haven't reviewed his dmesg yet, (since i don't know what the heck i'm doing :-P as far as those modules loading in correct order), but rootdelay=20 or so doesn't appear it might help? |
| 15:48.46 | jelly | xeon-enouf: the thing is, once he's in real userspace it's already too late. There's a race condition in kernel or in initramfs' udev that's messing up the perceived device size at initramfs time |
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| 15:49.23 | abrotman | aphexer: maybe regenerate the cert ? |
| 15:49.28 | xeon-enouf | greycat: also, note contents of /etc/modules on both, if they need loading, but LATER in bootup, list them in /etc/modules (the init scripts pasre that file upon boot) |
| 15:49.31 | jelly | xeon-enouf: irrelevant, since he doesn't have problems using rootfs, but has problems with wrong phys. device size (and other parameters) |
| 15:49.40 | xeon-enouf | jelly: ok |
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| 15:50.48 | xeon-enouf | greycat: /etc/init.d/module-init-tools:# Short-Description: Process /etc/modules. |
| 15:51.26 | Heebie-II | xeon-enouf: I tried using a chroot environment,and now I get a different error from xfs_growfs.. but it still doesn't resize the partition. I get this error: xfs_growfs: cannot initialise path table: No such file or directory |
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| 15:52.05 | xeon-enouf | greycat: so, if you need them at boot - blacklist them in the initrd, and have them loaded with /etc/modules (with options if needed) ... |
| 15:52.10 | greycat | xeon-enouf: currently /etc/modules only contains "loop" |
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| 15:52.41 | greycat | xeon-enouf: and what about next year, or 3 years from now, or 7 years from now, when someone renames the module just because they feel like it? |
| 15:52.52 | greycat | Linux does that ALL the time. |
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| 15:52.59 | larsl | I'm trying to build a kernel package using make-kpkg. I've enabled initramfs in the kernel config and I run make-kpkg using the --initrd option, but no initrd is generated when I install the package, even though I can see that the initramfs-tools script is run. Any idea what I need to fix? |
| 15:53.09 | xeon-enouf | greycat: hrm .. but maybe .26 initrd moved those modules into it's initrd - whereas .18 is loading them some other way? (this is just following up on what jelly mentioned) |
| 15:53.15 | Zitter | I'm in unstable.... dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work... any hint? |
| 15:53.15 | jelly | greycat: this is why you note the workaround in the server's notes for posteriority :-) |
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| 15:53.19 | larsl | The kernel obviously fails to boot since it expects a initramfs and there isn't one. |
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| 15:53.34 | valdyn | greycat: we are you not going by device id again? |
| 15:53.34 | aphexer | abrotman: well I paid for the cert... not that easy ;) other services still use it fine... |
| 15:53.38 | greycat | xeon-enouf: I didn't find any dm_* files in the initrds |
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| 15:53.53 | aphexer | abrotman: I just tried using openssl s_client on my imaps server and it's getting problems too... |
| 15:53.54 | xeon-enouf | smacks jelly 's posterior! |
| 15:53.57 | greycat | valdyn: because 3 people are making 17 suggestions a minute at me...? |
| 15:53.59 | Zitter | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I mean |
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| 15:54.05 | ranix | smacks xeon-enouf's posterioritor |
| 15:54.06 | aphexer | abrotman: finally found something I can debug more easily... I'll see what it tells me |
| 15:54.06 | valdyn | greycat: ah, heh |
| 15:54.30 | jetscreamer | Zitter: try -phigh or -plow ... it's an empty file anyway nowadays though |
| 15:54.35 | xeon-enouf | greycat: ok, i'll shut up now - these guys have more exp with this than i |
| 15:54.46 | Titan8990 | aphexer, someone else was here with a similar problem after openssl update... have you check BTS? |
| 15:54.49 | valdyn | greycat: theres verious probabilities depending on what you want to bind the name statically to |
| 15:54.49 | xeon-enouf | ranix: thank you m'am, may i have another!? |
| 15:54.51 | greycat | valdyn: will /dev/disk/by-uuid/cc9c455f-060a-44c2-901b-48320ff97225 still be there for the next few years? |
| 15:55.02 | themill | Zitter: /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
| 15:55.09 | jelly | greycat: noone knows |
| 15:55.13 | valdyn | greycat: not if you cp the disk contents to a new device |
| 15:55.28 | greycat | barring hardware changes, obviously |
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| 15:55.51 | valdyn | greycat: who knows, i doubt you can take precautions for that anyway |
| 15:56.17 | jelly | greycat: and hey, udev authors, in their inifnite wisdom, break stuff often... /dev/tape is now a directory! Hope you're not using it |
| 15:56.33 | valdyn | greycat: decide to bind to the specific fs, the specific disk and partition or the location on the bus or the detection order |
| 15:56.44 | ranix | jelly: ARGH I ran into that yesterday and had to make binary changes to mt-st! |
| 15:56.44 | greycat | jelly: I use /dev/st0 |
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| 15:57.07 | xeon-enouf | greycat: i believe grub2 now supports using any of the /dev/disk/ entries, not just the by-uuid, and by-label ones - although that also is a function of the initrd - see the /init file in each |
| 15:57.31 | greycat | xeon-enouf: grub isn't the issue -- post-kernel "mount /dev/sdc1" is. |
| 15:57.32 | xeon-enouf | it's beta! ..i know |
| 15:57.36 | valdyn | greycat: i guess you cant solve this by moving to lvm ? |
| 15:57.39 | jelly | greycat: too bad noone told mt authors to change the default. Or GNU tar or glibc or kernel to update their docs. Or... |
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| 15:58.16 | greycat | valdyn: bazooka to kill a gnat? |
| 15:58.27 | larsl | Any idea about the initrd kernel problem? |
| 15:58.31 | valdyn | greycat: hehe |
| 15:58.39 | greycat | valdyn: the problem seems to be "SATA devices may be detected after SCSI devices, so sdc might become sda" |
| 15:58.42 | ranix | yes, udev is in direct conflict with mtio.c in glibc6 |
| 15:58.49 | norbert_ | hi, are there known issues with skype 2.1 on Debian? (crashes constantly, probably related to audio) |
| 15:58.52 | valdyn | greycat: yes |
| 15:58.58 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: fdisk told him he's got GPT ... through some Fusion MPT thingy |
| 15:59.05 | valdyn | greycat: or different sata controllers in different orders |
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| 15:59.31 | valdyn | greycat: read my above text on which criteria you can pick... |
| 15:59.33 | ranix | udev is some fairly complicated shit so they can get away with some things |
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| 15:59.55 | ranix | but honestly conflicting with glibc with no downstream bug reports is getting away with murder |
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| 16:00.15 | xeon-enouf | if you /lastlog greycat, you'll get all the info - but mucho at that ..so .. (unless you just did /join i suppose) |
| 16:00.19 | ranix | especially when the response is "this is a bug in mt-st" |
| 16:00.51 | jetscreamer | oh is that it... the stupid bug they never fixed since they introduced udev? just use uuid in fstab and menu.lst |
| 16:01.05 | valdyn | its not a bug |
| 16:01.08 | jetscreamer | you can --purge udev and it won't be a problem either |
| 16:01.10 | ranix | it's a feature! |
| 16:01.26 | valdyn | or at least mind that its a wontfix bug |
| 16:01.26 | jetscreamer | yes it is a showstopping bug |
| 16:01.40 | jetscreamer | that won't be fixed you say |
| 16:01.46 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: i mentioned using UUIDs or LABELs instead a way while back .. just a fwiw |
| 16:02.04 | jetscreamer | yes i saw, i just wanted to rant |
| 16:02.16 | ranix | understandably |
| 16:02.17 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: there's another libata one too - the hda vs sda for PATA/IDE HDDs |
| 16:02.42 | jetscreamer | my hda switches up with hde |
| 16:02.44 | jetscreamer | still |
| 16:02.50 | yaaar | Hi guys. I've been wrestling with my samba/ldap setup trying to get groups to work. My smb.conf is here: http://pastebin.ca/1586279 ...it's the 4 shares at the bottom that are causing trouble. When the file is setup like that, all users have access to all 4 of those shares, regardless of whether they're in the appropriate group |
| 16:02.53 | jetscreamer | good thing i don't use the dvd much |
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| 16:03.04 | yaaar | someone in #samba told me to use @DOMAIN+group instead of @DOMAIN\group, so I tried that...but now instead of all users having access....no users have access, even if they're in the right group |
| 16:03.12 | jetscreamer | can't mount by ID |
| 16:03.15 | valdyn | jetscreamer: always /dev/dvd in debian |
| 16:03.15 | xeon-enouf | no, i mean only SATA drive on debian are named sdX, PATA drives are still hdX |
| 16:03.16 | yaaar | getent passwd shows my users and the appropriate gid, which matches the entry in gentent group... |
| 16:03.25 | valdyn | jetscreamer: where the order of you dvd drives is stored like nic names |
| 16:03.36 | valdyn | jetscreamer: so thats a non-issue |
| 16:03.37 | frog_ | hi, i live in stud. house, i am connected to swich and the whole stud. house is conecctded to dsl. how can i check the parameters of this dsl (uplink/downlink,traffic), |
| 16:03.40 | frog_ | i mean i have a switch in my room (where i plug 2 boxes). and the student house have a dsl |
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| 16:03.51 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 16:03.55 | jetscreamer | right... not working is not an issue |
| 16:04.00 | valdyn | *someone* just would need to write a script like that for disks |
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| 16:04.27 | jelly | xeon-enouf: one can use certain libata boot options to make that driver take over generic ata, then pata becomes sd* as well |
| 16:04.38 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: your hda switching with hde is a BIOS bug |
| 16:04.41 | xeon-enouf | and USB crap |
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| 16:04.48 | jetscreamer | yeah that' |
| 16:04.50 | yaaar | frog_: unless you have access to an snmp-capable switch "at the head" you likely can't get that information |
| 16:04.51 | jetscreamer | that's it |
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| 16:05.01 | jetscreamer | across multiple machines, it's a bios bug |
| 16:05.08 | jetscreamer | must be same bios |
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| 16:05.31 | jetscreamer | it's even frickin documented in the install errata |
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| 16:05.38 | jetscreamer | and it's my bios |
| 16:05.47 | cr3rzemjest | yesterday i've installed kde (with couple of problems though), and now when i boot my laptop it freezes(and i have to switch tty1, press ctrl+d etc) when splashy (i have it installed) shows about 25% :P how do i undo the thing that causes the freeze |
| 16:06.12 | larsl | OK, this is really annoying. I've configured a kernel to use an initramfs, I've built the kernel package using --initrd, I can see /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools running when I install the package - but there is no initrd.img generated for my kernel. If I run update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.31-rt11 after I've installed it I get an image, but why doesn't it happen automatically? |
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| 16:06.14 | jpinx-eeepc | How do I install the live image into a pre-existing partition on a usb stick? unetbootin isn't available to me in lenny (not in backports yet) |
| 16:06.26 | jetscreamer | this is since 2.6.13 or so, and it's not fixed... can you tell i'm happy? |
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| 16:06.51 | jetscreamer | i remember asking in here and being told that i did it |
| 16:07.04 | jetscreamer | and many other various helpful suggestions |
| 16:07.30 | themill | jetscreamer: please take your ranting to /dev/null where it will be more fully appreciated. #debian can only help you work around these things or use the symlinks that debian puts in place. If you want to change the way kernel or udev does things, talk to them and send patches. |
| 16:08.07 | frog_ | yaaar: but there are web interfaces, that checks it |
| 16:08.14 | cr3rzemjest | problem #2: my laptop fan goes 0-100%, after 15 secs it goes to 0%, after 15 secs it turns on again and so on. how do i make it stay at e.g. 55% and go to 100% only when necessary. I'm too lazy to find out again how to install 'fancontrol' and configure it fot 0.5h |
| 16:08.27 | yaaar | frog_: those web interfaces have to get the data from somewhere. |
| 16:08.29 | cr3rzemjest | for* |
| 16:08.53 | yaaar | frog_: that somewhere is generally an snmp-enabled switch |
| 16:08.53 | frog_ | yaaar: i wonder if i can do it with a tool |
| 16:08.53 | frog_ | (command line) |
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| 16:09.49 | frog_ | yaaar: i mean test speed for my dsl |
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| 16:10.44 | jetscreamer | so talk to the debian maintainers of linux-image and udev you say |
| 16:10.57 | jetscreamer | oh btw compiling stuff into the kernel fixes it also |
| 16:11.07 | jetscreamer | it's the initrd that borks |
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| 16:11.36 | LuCasn | Whenever I plug my usb stick with lenny on it into another computer, fsck complains about my other drives not being there (I put them in /etc/fstab). I tried errors=continue as mount option, but that didnt help, probably because it wasnt mount that was complaining but fsck. Can I somehow tell fsck to shut up? |
| 16:12.14 | yaaar | frog_: er...you just want a speed test? like, dslreports kind of thing? |
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| 16:13.39 | jetscreamer | LuCasn: in fstab the last entries in the line being 0 0 instead of 01 or 02 make fsck not fsck |
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| 16:13.53 | frog_ | yaaar: upload/ downladlink. what have you understand? |
| 16:13.57 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:14.17 | jetscreamer | but that might be a full on fsck and not the cursory one |
| 16:14.29 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 16:14.35 | LuCasn | jetscreamer: but that does not affect the auto-fsck every n mounts, does it? |
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| 16:15.15 | jetscreamer | you can set the # of n mounts at least, and i don't know the answer to that one |
| 16:16.18 | LuCasn | thanks |
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| 16:17.42 | karme | with tune2fs you set the when to fsck (number and time) - and you can also reset the number to 0 (neat if you use a snaphot to do the fsck) |
| 16:18.20 | karme | but the drives listed to mount in /etc/fstab are tried to mount => if they are not there this is bad |
| 16:18.40 | karme | (after all you said they should be mounted - no?) |
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| 16:22.29 | yaaar | I'm having some pam trouble today. I'm trying to make pam create a homedir the first time a new user logs in (in particular, when they mount a samba share for the first time) and i put what I thought was an appropriate line in /etc/pam.d/common-session but it still doesn't work. |
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| 16:22.42 | yaaar | here's the common-session file: http://pastebin.ca/1586292 |
| 16:22.59 | yaaar | Is that not the correct place for this? or did I mangle the syntax or something? |
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| 16:28.03 | Emery | xeon-enouf, it installed ! ... i needed to re-install Mac OSX then format again |
| 16:28.07 | Emery | for some stupid reason |
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| 16:31.19 | LuCasn | can i somehow make the keyboard LEDs (ScrollLock, CapsLock, NumLock) appear in /sys/class/leds/? I#d like to use them as iptable triggers |
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| 16:31.48 | Emery | clever idea. |
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| 16:32.05 | simonrvn | LuCasn: there's modules for that |
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| 16:32.15 | papul | hi. i install the debian base system. not how do i configure eth0 through dhcp? |
| 16:32.16 | LuCasn | the only led i got in /sys/class/leds/ is the led on my mmc card reader |
| 16:32.20 | Zitter | sorry, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still doesn't work.... |
| 16:32.34 | papul | hi. i have installed the debian base system. now how do i configure eth0 through dhcp? |
| 16:32.35 | LuCasn | simonrvn: any direction on where to look for that? |
| 16:32.49 | jetscreamer | there's nothing to reconfigure zitter, it's a blank file by default |
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| 16:32.57 | simonrvn | Zitter: X -configure |
| 16:33.13 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: they fixed the sid xorg btw |
| 16:33.28 | papul | hi. i have installed the debian base system. now how do i configure eth0 through dhcp? |
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| 16:33.39 | chellomere | papul, man interfaces |
| 16:33.40 | Zitter | simonrvn, it crashes |
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| 16:33.50 | papul | is there a command to do so like 'dhcpcd'? |
| 16:33.56 | jair | justin: petemc \amethyst Guys!!!! thank you very much! I dpkg -i firmware .deb and everything works :) |
| 16:34.00 | papul | i used dhcpcd in arch linux |
| 16:34.02 | jetscreamer | Zitter: what are you trying to add to your xorg.conf ? |
| 16:34.08 | simonrvn | Zitter: what makes you think it crashes? |
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| 16:34.11 | jair | I just wanted to thank you again I am in business :) |
| 16:34.20 | jair | thank you so much for all your suggestions |
| 16:34.24 | simonrvn | !dhcp |
| 16:34.24 | xeon-enouf | Emery: something about bootp? or bootcamp or whatever apple does with it's partitioning of disk ... heh |
| 16:34.24 | dpkg | it has been said that dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>. |
| 16:34.31 | simonrvn | !dhcp client |
| 16:34.31 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See <kernel options for dhcp>. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>. |
| 16:34.34 | papul | chellomere: please tell me the exact command |
| 16:34.41 | simonrvn | papul: ^^^ |
| 16:34.44 | Emery | xeon-enouf, some crap like that, just mac being a pain as usual |
| 16:35.17 | xeon-enouf | Emery: i'm pretty sure that's covered in the powerpc debian installation guide |
| 16:35.29 | papul | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See <kernel |
| 16:35.33 | papul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.36 | papul | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See <kernel |
| 16:35.36 | Emery | xeon-enouf, ahh well it's done now |
| 16:35.40 | papul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.47 | xeon-enouf | Emery: bravo, and congrats! |
| 16:36.00 | papul | simonrvn: shall that work? |
| 16:36.07 | Emery | xeon-enouf, thanks |
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| 16:36.18 | LuCasn | simonrvn: I couldn't find anything on keyboard leds, only that they are not handled by the sysfs interface but the input handler, and that does not really help me |
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| 16:36.20 | Emery | xeon-enouf, debian has PPC chan ? |
| 16:36.26 | simonrvn | i wouldn't tell you that if it didn't work |
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| 16:36.46 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 16:36.46 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 16:37.00 | xeon-enouf | i had told you earlier Emery |
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| 16:37.07 | Emery | orly |
| 16:37.14 | Emery | thanks |
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| 16:37.18 | papul | i hav a adsl modem that i want my computer to auto configure eth0 so that i can browse the web |
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| 16:38.20 | simonrvn | papul: just do it |
| 16:38.20 | jetscreamer | you sure you don't need pppoe? |
| 16:38.21 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: i understand your dilemma with all the udev nonsense - just many times, it's pebkac+buggy bioses - many BIOSes are broken |
| 16:38.21 | papul | simonrvn: can u please tell me your sources.list file content? |
| 16:38.31 | simonrvn | papul: no |
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| 16:38.40 | papul | simonrvn: y? |
| 16:38.45 | jetscreamer | -_- ... you are evil enouf..... thank you for reminding me ... |
| 16:38.46 | papul | simonrvn: why? |
| 16:38.51 | xeon-enouf | jetscreamer: your case might not be that - so i take it- no harm, no foul from me:-P |
| 16:39.19 | simonrvn | i don't need a reason. |
| 16:39.37 | papul | jetscreamer: can u please tell me the content of your sources.list file? |
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| 16:39.49 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 16:39.56 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 16:39.56 | papul | i want to check that with mine |
| 16:39.56 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
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| 16:40.28 | jetscreamer | did they ever fix apt-spy, btw? |
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| 16:40.44 | xeon-enouf | jelly: (as per libata boot params) even on the lenny kernel? i'm aware that libata boot option exist |
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| 16:40.47 | jetscreamer | or does it still erase your sources.list |
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| 16:40.59 | xeon-enouf | still erases likely |
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| 16:41.07 | papul | please some one show me the content of the sources.list file of apt. |
| 16:41.11 | xeon-enouf | try netselect-apt? |
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| 16:41.42 | jetscreamer | papul: here's an oldie that ppl don't like me to spam: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 16:41.46 | simonrvn | don't you have a backup? |
| 16:41.51 | jetscreamer | if i get banned it's your fault |
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| 16:43.56 | themill | jetscreamer: that's just about useless |
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| 16:46.56 | jetscreamer | many things in the world are useless |
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| 16:47.46 | xeon-enouf | dammit Emery ... wtf are you? |
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| 16:48.45 | xeon-enouf | wtf am i going to do with this huge/heavy oldworld powermac!? i need to get rid of it, but it's in A+ condition w/all the goodies - i don't want to trash it - maybe some Apple Museum or something? |
| 16:49.11 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 16:49.11 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 16:49.22 | simonrvn | meh. same factoid. |
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| 16:50.59 | jetscreamer | there's the revised version btw |
| 16:51.34 | jetscreamer | and i did say it was old |
| 16:52.23 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 16:52.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:52.34 | simonrvn | papul: ^^^ . a bit more helpful. |
| 16:53.01 | sphenxes | what open source VOIP would you recommend to use instead of skype? and also call land line |
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| 16:53.31 | jetscreamer | gah i forgot the name |
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| 16:53.48 | jetscreamer | not amethyst.. :) but close? |
| 16:53.52 | simonrvn | ekiga, asterisk |
| 16:53.56 | jetscreamer | yeh |
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| 16:54.21 | jetscreamer | that gives pbx functionality also iirc |
| 16:54.22 | themill | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg stable sources.list ; also etch is no longer stable. |
| 16:54.26 | jetscreamer | #asterisk |
| 16:54.57 | jetscreamer | themill: what part of 'updated' ... unlike some other things |
| 16:55.22 | themill | jetscreamer: huh? |
| 16:55.59 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.13 | themill | jetscreamer: [17:54] <themill> jetscreamer: /msg dpkg stable sources.list ; also etch is no longer stable. |
| 16:56.29 | jetscreamer | [11.50.58] <jetscreamer> there's the revised version btw |
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| 16:56.42 | themill | jetscreamer: yeah, I'm looking at it |
| 16:56.53 | simonrvn | time travel! :P |
| 16:57.15 | themill | jetscreamer: it still says "etch" above the section for "stable". And I'm also telling you that using "stable" in the sources.list is not a good idea anywya. |
| 16:57.16 | karme | sphenxes: sip |
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| 16:57.33 | chops1 | So I have a variable with a value like "*.h|*.cxx|*.inc". How do I iterate over the wildcards without expanding them? Doing "IFS=\| for wc in $wildcards; do echo $wc; done" will iterate over filenames, because it expands wildcards. |
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| 16:57.39 | sphenxes | karme, can I use it to dial land line |
| 16:57.46 | jetscreamer | s/updated/revised/ .. oh ok. hey i don't give it out anymore anyway, i was just trying to shut him up |
| 16:57.55 | jetscreamer | edits anyway |
| 16:58.03 | karme | sphenxes: you can either to that yourself or use some provider to that |
| 16:58.20 | sphenxes | karme, thanks |
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| 16:58.32 | karme | sphenxes: i recommend twinkle as sip client |
| 16:58.48 | LRG | hey |
| 16:58.48 | karme | sphenxes: if you are after a software client |
| 16:58.51 | LRG | was wondering |
| 16:59.18 | LRG | why wouldnt debian be able to mount my hard drive i used to access with windows? |
| 16:59.23 | LRG | its just has music and films on |
| 16:59.30 | LRG | no OS Or ever was a OS on it |
| 16:59.33 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:59.36 | karme | sphenxes: beware that sip+nat has its problems |
| 16:59.47 | LobbyZ | LRG, different filesystem |
| 16:59.50 | simonrvn | !ntfs-3g |
| 16:59.50 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 17:00.01 | jetscreamer | doesn't tell him to talk to the kernel devs :p |
| 17:00.03 | karme | sphenxes: if you have multple clients behind nat that want to do sip - imho the best solution is to put asterisk inbetween |
| 17:00.08 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 17:00.19 | LRG | lenny comes with ntfs already installed doesnt it? |
| 17:00.57 | jetscreamer | has ntfs support in the kernel, iirc, which didn't use to be the safest... not sure how it is now |
| 17:01.07 | jetscreamer | for ro it was ok, i mean the writing |
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| 17:01.20 | LRG | but the HD wont mount |
| 17:01.31 | jetscreamer | why |
| 17:01.41 | LRG | i installed ntfs-3g using apt-get install a while back |
| 17:01.42 | jetscreamer | what is the error msg |
| 17:01.43 | LRG | dunno |
| 17:01.47 | LRG | it doesnt have one |
| 17:01.49 | LRG | its wierd |
| 17:02.14 | karme | sphenxes: and if you have the choice don't do voip at all ;-) |
| 17:02.22 | LRG | INvalid mount option when trying to mount Media HArd Drive |
| 17:02.31 | justin | karme: pretty sure there are much better tools for proxying sip connections than asterisk |
| 17:02.38 | sphenxes | :) |
| 17:02.55 | karme | justin: in my experience asterisk is the simplest solution in that scenario |
| 17:02.59 | jetscreamer | LRG: do it from an xterm, mount manually |
| 17:03.04 | jetscreamer | see what it says |
| 17:03.08 | karme | justin: i put quite a lot of time in that - believe me |
| 17:03.17 | jetscreamer | or paste your mount command |
| 17:03.25 | LRG | how jetscreamer? |
| 17:03.25 | justin | karme: you've used ser and the other tools for that? |
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| 17:03.29 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:03.35 | jetscreamer | how what |
| 17:03.36 | karme | justin: yeah - plain sucks with nat |
| 17:03.38 | jetscreamer | how to mount? |
| 17:03.46 | LRG | ya via terminal? |
| 17:03.52 | jetscreamer | or paste the relevant line from fstab |
| 17:04.01 | LRG | what? |
| 17:04.05 | DexterF | how do I force dpkg to install an i386 deb on an amd64? |
| 17:04.16 | simonrvn | you don't |
| 17:04.19 | karme | justin: yate is quite nice alternative ... |
| 17:04.22 | jetscreamer | mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/sda3 /media/whatever maybe |
| 17:04.27 | justin | karme: hard to believe, most of those tools are FOR the case where you are doing nat |
| 17:04.58 | karme | justin: yeah but typical scenario is ser is outside the nat and only one client behind some nat |
| 17:05.09 | jetscreamer | the line in fstab that's giving you the trouble |
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| 17:05.18 | karme | justin: or no nat at all - then ser / kamailio is quite nice |
| 17:05.43 | iambeginner | Hello! New debian support load from usb dvd-drive? |
| 17:06.18 | justin | iambeginner: probably |
| 17:06.20 | karme | justin: but maybe it got better - what do i know ... |
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| 17:06.50 | justin | karme: last i looked into it people were using asterisk to interface with HW cards and something like ser to do sip-sip |
| 17:06.53 | simonrvn | segfaults trying to parse that |
| 17:06.58 | karme | justin: in the end sip+nat will always be a nightmare |
| 17:07.00 | iambeginner | justin: Ohh... Previous etch not loaded. I hope, that this distrib will be install from my dvd-drive... |
| 17:07.00 | jetscreamer | sda3 being sdXX where XX is whatever |
| 17:07.14 | karme | justin: yeah this is what i meant with the typical ser setup above |
| 17:07.26 | karme | justin: i guess most sip providers do use ser like this |
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| 17:07.46 | karme | justin: this works really well as long as there is always one client behind one nat |
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| 17:08.19 | karme | justin: (depending on the specific nat setup at hand it makes trouble with more than one client - and direct client to client connections) |
| 17:08.40 | karme | justin: (both clients behind the same nat) |
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| 17:09.04 | LRG | jetscreamer |
| 17:09.10 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:09.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:09.25 | jetscreamer | yes? |
| 17:09.35 | LRG | this is the name of HD |
| 17:09.36 | LRG | Media Hard Drive |
| 17:09.45 | LRG | SO what'd the command be? |
| 17:09.45 | karme | justin: but using ser/kamailio for your typical "dial-up"+nat setup is just a pain |
| 17:09.50 | simonrvn | iambeginner: you want to start the installer from an usb dvd drive? |
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| 17:10.07 | iambeginner | simonrvn: yes |
| 17:10.16 | simonrvn | doesn't see why not if the hardware supports it |
| 17:10.26 | jetscreamer | LRG: paste the line from /etc/fstab that mounts your thingy |
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| 17:10.38 | karme | is there a way to have different connection tracking timeouts for replied and unreplied established connections? or is there a script using the conntrack utility program to clear unreplied entries after some time manually? |
| 17:10.48 | LRG | what line? |
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| 17:11.02 | LRG | i dont know linux jetscreamer i wanna learn it. |
| 17:11.03 | jetscreamer | the one that mounts whatever it is you're trying to mount |
| 17:11.29 | simonrvn | he doesn't have one, he's doing it manually (maybe) |
| 17:12.01 | LRG | i just right click on it and hit mount |
| 17:12.16 | LRG | well Mount Volume |
| 17:12.20 | simonrvn | ah, via gnome/kde/whatever |
| 17:12.29 | LRG | ya |
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| 17:12.41 | ttyS1 | hello, I just connected a usp philips webcam and it works fine. However the camera has a lot of different settings you can change. How can I change the camera settings ? |
| 17:12.44 | LRG | this is my desktop pc were talking about :) |
| 17:12.52 | ttyS1 | *usb |
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| 17:12.55 | jetscreamer | go to an xterm, type less /etc/fstab, find the entry, paste it. or just paste the entire file ( /etc/fstab ) |
| 17:13.01 | simonrvn | they're ok to do regular things like nfs and linux partitions but suck at cross-platform |
| 17:13.02 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:13.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:13.30 | simonrvn | LRG: it's easier to just set up an fstab line and mount it that way |
| 17:13.42 | jetscreamer | oh it's some automount stuff? |
| 17:13.47 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: dude, he doesn't have one |
| 17:13.48 | LRG | ./dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 17:13.48 | LRG | ./dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 17:13.49 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
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| 17:14.02 | LRG | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
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| 17:14.12 | jetscreamer | doesn't get paste, either |
| 17:14.13 | LRG | ./dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:14.20 | jetscreamer | paste the factoid |
| 17:15.02 | simonrvn | afk |
| 17:15.06 | LRG | ? |
| 17:15.25 | jetscreamer | i don't use gnome or automount ... like he said, easiest just to make a new line in fstab and mount it that way |
| 17:15.44 | LRG | how an earth do i do that? |
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| 17:16.22 | jetscreamer | !ntfs |
| 17:16.23 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 17:16.32 | jetscreamer | !ntfsrw |
| 17:16.32 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 17:16.39 | jetscreamer | jeez |
| 17:17.16 | LRG | !ntfsmount |
| 17:17.16 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 17:17.51 | LRG | so howd i mount this drive? |
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| 17:18.48 | ponky | !dmraid |
| 17:18.48 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). See <sata faq>. |
| 17:19.13 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda1 /home/sda1 ntfs noauto,users,noexec,ro,umask=022,fmask=0333,dmask=0222,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf80 0 |
| 17:19.27 | jetscreamer | /dev/sda1 /home/sda1 ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf80 0 |
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| 17:20.06 | jetscreamer | !user accessible ntfs |
| 17:20.07 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 17:20.34 | jetscreamer | you'll need to change stuff |
| 17:20.56 | jetscreamer | sda1 in particular |
| 17:21.10 | jetscreamer | and the gid & uid probably |
| 17:21.54 | jetscreamer | i can't believe they lamed out the ntfs factoids like that |
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| 17:22.18 | ponky | !md |
| 17:22.19 | dpkg | methinks md is the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>. |
| 17:22.46 | abrotman | ponky: please msg the bot |
| 17:22.59 | ponky | Ye sorry. |
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| 17:24.38 | jetscreamer | LRG: one of those two lines would go into your /etc/fstab, after you edited them appropriately to suit your configuration and your uid/gid ...you can also amend that to create a manual mount line you can execute from an xterm or console |
| 17:25.02 | jetscreamer | the first is kernel module, read only, the second is ntfs-3g, read/write |
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| 17:31.22 | optocus | hi |
| 17:31.47 | optocus | i need some questions answered if somebody's nice to help me |
| 17:31.51 | karme | !ask |
| 17:31.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:31.52 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 17:32.02 | Titan8990 | !win karme |
| 17:32.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, karme! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:32.03 | optocus | i want to buy a dedicated server and install Debian on it |
| 17:32.40 | optocus | i have searched for tutorials and howtos but couldn't find anything very close to what i need |
| 17:32.41 | karme | wonders that dpkg has enough intelligence to detect "parallel" requests |
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| 17:33.15 | Titan8990 | karme, <dpkg> Someone already said that 0 seconds ago |
| 17:33.31 | karme | Titan8990: you got that by query? :-) |
| 17:33.40 | optocus | this will be a live apache,php,python,perl,mysql,mail,ftp server that should support multiple domains on multiple IPs for multiple users (each user can have unlimited anything) |
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| 17:34.13 | Titan8990 | optocus, and what is that you want to do? don't companies that sell dedicated servers usually have an OS list that is available? don't they normally have control panels for switching or installing OSes? |
| 17:34.25 | optocus | yeah |
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| 17:34.42 | optocus | but they install debian base system with SSH and from there is my job |
| 17:34.55 | Titan8990 | optocus, right |
| 17:35.08 | Titan8990 | optocus, then don't read howtos, learn the stuff |
| 17:35.14 | jetscreamer | yeah dpkg privs you when you lose |
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| 17:35.23 | jetscreamer | consolation prize, bot sex! |
| 17:35.26 | karme | !reference |
| 17:35.26 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 17:35.34 | Titan8990 | optocus, and might I saw... ewww ftp |
| 17:35.47 | Titan8990 | on an exposed server |
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| 17:38.29 | optocus | Ttian8990, reading all that? i thought there might be a step by step how-to or something since i assume many needed this |
| 17:38.44 | karme | optocus: typically i start out like this: setup firewall (i use ferm), setup ssh to use keys only (disable password login), setup mail server, setup other servers |
| 17:38.51 | Titan8990 | optocus, no, what you need is a real administrator |
| 17:38.57 | karme | optocus: exchange 1 and 2 |
| 17:38.58 | optocus | i've read about 2 guides step by step but are not exactly what i need |
| 17:39.33 | Titan8990 | optocus, because you need a real admin that knows what hes doing... not trying to fit some lame howto into your scenario |
| 17:39.47 | karme | optocus: typically most debian packages come with a working default setup |
| 17:39.49 | optocus | admin costs :) |
| 17:40.10 | optocus | i can only afford the $50/mo for the dedicated server |
| 17:40.13 | karme | optocus: don't worry too much - get started and have enough time - if you don't pay someone to do it for you |
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| 17:40.35 | optocus | ooook |
| 17:40.49 | optocus | wish me luck and not to get bored :) |
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| 17:41.41 | karme | optocus: you will probably learn a lot - so have fun! |
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| 17:43.01 | optocus | yup... thank you |
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| 17:45.30 | dive-o | Anyone have an idea why an etch box would reset its timezone after having it changed post-install using tzconfig? |
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| 17:48.56 | brutus | how do I scan my windows ntfs drive? fsck doesn't allow this type...? |
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| 17:51.13 | hark | brutus: read man ntfsfix |
| 17:51.28 | LRG | does anyone know of a hard disk recovery/repair tool for lenny? |
| 17:51.32 | LRG | with GNOME ... |
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| 17:52.18 | brutus | hark, I tried ntfsfix, it segfaults when scanning the drive |
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| 17:52.53 | LRG | how i get this? |
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| 17:54.49 | valdyn | LRG: fsck |
| 17:54.52 | jetscreamer | !ntfsprogs |
| 17:55.01 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 17:55.03 | hark | brutus: if you've read it, you'd do a chkdsk |
| 17:55.23 | jetscreamer | !info ntfsprogs |
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| 17:55.55 | dpkg | ntfsprogs: (tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 628 kB |
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| 17:57.22 | stew | neat! |
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| 17:58.29 | LRG | jetscreamer how i use ntfsprogs? |
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| 18:00.45 | Titan8990 | LRG, its a set of tools, what do you need to do? |
| 18:01.09 | LRG | i wanna try and recover a disk |
| 18:01.12 | LRG | fix errors on it |
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| 18:01.26 | LRG | cos my old HD I used with windows using ntfs has gone all screwy |
| 18:01.28 | LRG | and wont open |
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| 18:03.33 | dbb | hi - beginner package q... if I use apt-get to install a package, what is the command to see what files have been installed? |
| 18:03.37 | LRG | Titan8990 |
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| 18:03.52 | dbb | to give me some credit for trying, I know I can use dpkg --info on a .deb that is sitting here |
| 18:04.00 | Titan8990 | LRG, ntfsfix /dev/sdxx |
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| 18:04.37 | Supertanker | Hi; I'm having trouble compiling a C program looking for iostream.h. EWhat dfebian package provides this? |
| 18:04.46 | LRG | Titan8990 volume is corrupt you should run chkdsk ? |
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| 18:05.15 | mesa_booger | Supertanker: that would be c++ ? |
| 18:05.16 | Supertanker | C++* |
| 18:05.31 | dbb | (right I was about to say.. thats C++) |
| 18:05.37 | Titan8990 | LRG, it told you that? |
| 18:05.44 | Supertanker | Yeah, sorry |
| 18:05.44 | Supertanker | My SSH shell is lagging superbad |
| 18:05.51 | dbb | no worries |
| 18:06.02 | LRG | how an earth do i run chkdsk in linux? |
| 18:06.10 | karme | dbb: dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:06.18 | dbb | thx |
| 18:06.25 | mesa_booger | Supertanker: libstdc++6-GCCVERSION-dev |
| 18:06.40 | dbb | Supertanker: I am old enough to recall, C++ has gone through a number of evolutions |
| 18:06.44 | Supertanker | a 'locate iostream.h' turns up nothing except for some files on my windows partition (an old devshed instalation) and a file in my old Ubuntu distro partition |
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| 18:06.51 | Supertanker | bloodshed* |
| 18:06.57 | Titan8990 | LRG, as far as i know ntfsfix is the closest thing to chkdsk |
| 18:06.58 | mesa_booger | Supertanker: mine is libstdc++6-4.3-dev for example, cos i have gcc 4.3 |
| 18:06.59 | dbb | so on my Debian 5 here, iostream is just iostream, no ".h" |
| 18:07.12 | Supertanker | mesa_booger, thanks |
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| 18:07.15 | Titan8990 | LRG, boot up a PE or windows recorvery disc, and visit #windows if you need ot |
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| 18:07.36 | Supertanker | dbb, really? |
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| 18:07.39 | dbb | so you may be trying to build something old, and they refer to the headers in an old way |
| 18:07.43 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 18:07.47 | Supertanker | ... |
| 18:07.56 | Supertanker | /usr/include/c++/4.3/iostream |
| 18:07.58 | dbb | iostream is basic |
| 18:08.15 | karname | Hi , I saw my server load was very high , I checked my server and find this line in my apache log : ::1 - - [01/Oct/2009:14:33:06 +0330] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch (internal dummy connection)" , what's this? |
| 18:08.41 | Supertanker | I'll be damned. |
| 18:08.46 | dbb | gcc 4.3.2 here |
| 18:08.50 | wuffi600 | My lenny's logfiles are flooded by messages like " pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory"; A simple solution seems to be just "touch /etc/default/locale"; Is this a good solution? |
| 18:08.52 | Supertanker | Okay, so do I just refer to it as iostream instead of iostream.h? |
| 18:08.56 | dbb | yep |
| 18:09.01 | dbb | thats what I would do |
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| 18:09.12 | dbb | look at some current C++ code |
| 18:09.14 | Titan8990 | karname, http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/ |
| 18:09.24 | dbb | I'm going back to my python now :p |
| 18:09.25 | stew | wuffi600: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is probably a better solution |
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| 18:09.29 | Wulf_ | Hello! I'm having trouble while installing debian: |
| 18:09.31 | LRG | Titan8990 |
| 18:09.38 | LRG | it just mounted the drive succesfully |
| 18:09.41 | mesa_booger | Supertanker: heh. looks like you had it all along. i haven't done c++ for ages, but i need the compiler & headers to make octave packages |
| 18:09.42 | wuffi600 | stew: ok, thanx. |
| 18:09.46 | stew | wuffi600: that would typically have something like LANG="en_US.UTF-8" in it |
| 18:09.47 | Titan8990 | LRG, after ntfsfix? |
| 18:09.49 | LRG | so howd i use ntfsfix to chk the disk? |
| 18:09.51 | LRG | no |
| 18:09.54 | karme | wuffi600: /msg dpkg locales |
| 18:10.02 | Titan8990 | LRG, pretty sure it needs to be unmounted to run ntfsfix |
| 18:10.08 | LRG | i used Disk Manager then auto config drive |
| 18:10.08 | Supertanker | Okay, I'll give it a shot |
| 18:10.08 | Supertanker | Thanks much dbb and mesa_booger |
| 18:10.13 | karme | wuffi600: ups stew was faster |
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| 18:10.21 | Wulf_ | I tried stable and testing netinstall images, but my network card is not detected. lspci reports it as 8086:10de (intel 1000 pcie onboard, I think.). What can I do? |
| 18:10.39 | Titan8990 | LRG, i know nothing of those gui tools |
| 18:13.06 | EvilGuru | When I booted up I found that sysfsutils spat out some errors. How do I see them? dmesg and syslog give me nothing |
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| 18:14.23 | wuffi600 | stew, karme: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" offers me to select locales to be generated. The US and DE are already selected. Should i go with just them? |
| 18:14.29 | themill | Wulf_: you can do an install without network and install the 2.6.30 kernel afterwards from backports.org (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 18:14.44 | themill | Wulf_: Alternatively, you could try a newer installed for that -- /msg dpkg kmuto. |
| 18:14.47 | Wulf_ | themill: the testing netinst image contained a 2.6.30 kernel |
| 18:14.55 | stew | wuffi600: sure, its the next question, about the default, that we are after |
| 18:15.00 | Polarina | Is it possible to log all IP traffic (iptables) in a locale independent format and in a separate file from everything else? |
| 18:15.03 | Supertanker | dbb, hmmm, that seemd to work, and so did removing the .h from fstream and iomanip, but now it's complaining something like 'ifstream' does not have a type |
| 18:15.04 | themill | Wulf_: does the testing installer work at all atm? |
| 18:15.21 | themill | judd pciid 8086:10de --release sid |
| 18:15.23 | judd | themill: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
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| 18:15.58 | Wulf_ | themill: it was a pita. the normal (text) modus froze the machine, the graphical install had a loop: trying to start X, failing |
| 18:15.59 | dbb | Supertanker: so sorry, thats as much as I am good for now... I am not current on C++ io libs |
| 18:16.13 | dbb | I thinnk you have some older code |
| 18:16.25 | themill | Wulf_: right... so the installer was broken but quite probably would have worked with that network card. |
| 18:16.30 | Wulf_ | themill: changing some boot parameters (vga=788 video=xxx) made the text install start |
| 18:16.59 | lxsameer | how can i increase the speed of my mouse pointer in X? |
| 18:17.03 | themill | Wulf_: that network card should be supported without any issues by either the kmuto installer or the bpo kernel. |
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| 18:18.22 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:18.25 | sthon | Is it possible to run an NFS server and client on Lenny? |
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| 18:18.43 | sthon | I had an NFS client setup that was working fine, then installed nfs-kernel-server and it broke the nfs client |
| 18:18.46 | Wulf_ | themill: have I tried the kmuto installer? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:18.50 | emaia | \q |
| 18:18.50 | iuri | hi there, my debian etch is a little bit old and sources.list does not work anymore. what are the valid one |
| 18:18.53 | iuri | s |
| 18:18.54 | mesa_booger | Polarina: you can use something that uses libpcap, like ulogd |
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| 18:19.38 | LRG | howd i find out a HD device name? |
| 18:19.42 | Polarina | mesa_booger: Perhaps I could rig something with libpcap. Thanks. :) |
| 18:19.49 | Wulf_ | LRG: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 18:20.21 | LRG | Wulf_ dosent help / |
| 18:20.26 | LRG | has no names next to it :P |
| 18:20.31 | LRG | so i dont know which ones which ? |
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| 18:21.35 | iuri | hi there, i got stuck trying to run apt-get update on my box debian etch 4 . Here is the mirrors i have http://pastebin.com/m72468577 |
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| 18:21.37 | wuffi600 | stew: the systemwide default locale, does it influence the language system messages apear? |
| 18:21.43 | stew | wuffi600: yes |
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| 18:21.47 | iuri | does anyone have valid ones |
| 18:22.21 | hark | Wulf_: did you try doing a modprobe e1000e? |
| 18:22.30 | stew | iuri: don't use ftp.debian.org, what country are you in? |
| 18:22.55 | stew | iuri: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list is the official list |
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| 18:23.07 | wuffi600 | stew: ... and teh character codepage and the date-format and the currency-format? Is there something else that is defined in the locale? |
| 18:23.24 | Squidy | Hi there.. I'm making a script that uses APT to install kerberos.. So, when I try to install krb5-kdc, dpkg runs krb5-config and show a configuration window.. But I don't want this configuration windows appears... Is there a way to install krb5-kdc silently? |
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| 18:23.42 | stew | wuffi600: english vs. german |
| 18:23.52 | stew | wuffi600: but otherwise, I dont' really know |
| 18:24.15 | keith4 | should I be alarmed that nscd is using 1.4G of memory? and that this happens every week or so? |
| 18:24.16 | iuri | stew, Brasil |
| 18:24.33 | Wulf_ | LRG: /sbin/udevadm info --query=name --name=/dev/sda --attribute-walk |
| 18:24.37 | stew | iuri: then you can use ftp.br.debian.org instead of ftp.debian.org |
| 18:24.48 | Wulf_ | hark: yes. driver was loaded, but no card was found |
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| 18:25.05 | hark | Wulf_: what did dmesg say? |
| 18:25.35 | Wulf_ | hark: iirc two lines, indicating that the driver was loaded. nothing suspicious |
| 18:25.36 | wuffi600 | stew: if just use "none" it will end up locale "C" with english language? Is there a reason not to choose "none" |
| 18:25.36 | iuri | stew, that does not solve the problem |
| 18:25.54 | iuri | apt-get got stuck at 66% [Connecting to ftp.br.debian.org] [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 18:26.04 | iuri | stew, or whatever mirror i try |
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| 18:26.19 | stew | iuri: then the problem is probably with your networking |
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| 18:27.18 | iuri | stew, those are the repos i am using on sources.list http://pastebin.com/m72468577 |
| 18:27.24 | iuri | stew, are they valid |
| 18:27.55 | LuCasn | i am trying to write a kernel module that uses ioctl (it should control another device, not be controlled), but I can't find the header that includes ioctl() |
| 18:28.16 | iuri | stew, i believe the problem is that i am using the old version of debian etch |
| 18:28.17 | Hobbes` | what package in debian provides /usr/share/dict/words ? |
| 18:28.20 | Hobbes` | rather the actual file with the words .. on my box it's a symlink |
| 18:28.31 | stew | iuri: those are valid, but you should NOT use ftp.debian.org |
| 18:28.40 | iuri | right |
| 18:28.47 | stew | iuri: and using etch isn't a problem until february |
| 18:28.52 | iuri | stew, i changed here to br |
| 18:29.02 | wuffi600 | karme: Can i choose "none" as default locale? Is there a reason better not to do so? |
| 18:29.04 | AimHere | Hobbes > wamerican, wbritish wukranian or whatever |
| 18:29.13 | Hobbes` | thanks AimHere |
| 18:29.20 | iuri | stew, my release of debian etch is before feb |
| 18:29.32 | greycat | feb what year? |
| 18:29.42 | iuri | 2008 |
| 18:29.48 | stew | iuri: no, i mean that in February 2010, support for etch will stop |
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| 18:30.32 | stew | iuri: so now it is fine. before February 2010, you'll want to upgrade to lenny |
| 18:30.47 | iuri | nice |
| 18:30.49 | iuri | i will |
| 18:31.11 | iuri | stew, i am just getting crazy here because i cant run apt-get anmore |
| 18:31.19 | iuri | i already changed mirrors zillion times |
| 18:31.32 | jure | did anyone try installing debian from the daily builds lately? they seem to freeze when booting right before the installation screen (blue) is supposed to show up... debian stable works fine... |
| 18:31.34 | greycat | iuri: do other web sites work fine, even for long/large data files? |
| 18:32.00 | iuri | yes |
| 18:32.34 | Wulf_ | jure: that happened to me today. |
| 18:32.43 | Wulf_ | jure: something related to graphic modes |
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| 18:35.52 | Wulf_ | using the amd64 images is correct for intel core 2 duo (E8500)? |
| 18:36.15 | greycat | Wulf_: you can if you like. |
| 18:36.31 | greycat | you may also use i386 on that |
| 18:36.43 | Wulf_ | greycat: but then I don't have 64 bit? |
| 18:36.50 | greycat | it's your choice |
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| 18:37.19 | Wulf_ | greycat: my question was rather amd64 vs. ia64 |
| 18:37.28 | jure | Wulf_: ia64 is for Itanium processors |
| 18:38.18 | stew | (and if you don't know if you have an Itanium processor, then you don't) |
| 18:38.18 | elli222 | Hi, i keep getting errors like: error: ‘struct uart_info’ has no member named ‘tty’ when trying to compile a kernel module. any idea on what im missing? |
| 18:38.36 | greycat | core 2 duo is not itanium; it's amd64 |
| 18:38.58 | Wulf_ | then I guessed right. I don't like having intel CPUs described as amd64.. |
| 18:39.02 | greycat | elli222: most likely (a) that module is not compatible with your kernel headers version, or (b) you've somehow failed to set up the build environment |
| 18:39.22 | elli222 | knowing my luck, its probably A |
| 18:39.24 | lunk | Wulf_: it's not the cpu that's being described, rather the instruction set, which was originally created by AMD |
| 18:39.50 | Wulf_ | lunk: yes. but it's still confusing. |
| 18:39.52 | greycat | no worse than having AMD K7 processors described as "i386" |
| 18:40.02 | elli222 | lol :P |
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| 18:40.40 | greycat | looks at this udev rules stuff, and thinks it might be the cleanest approach to making sure "the external SCSI disk" is always given the same device name |
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| 18:44.03 | helo | after installing the 'gdm' package, /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't exist... i thought it used to be part of gdm... |
| 18:44.03 | beardy | It is. |
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| 18:44.42 | beardy | helo: It was. |
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| 18:45.10 | helo | how do i get it now? |
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| 18:45.20 | beardy | No idea. |
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| 18:45.42 | beardy | Are you sure nothing went.. wrong? |
| 18:45.55 | helo | there were no error messages when i installed it |
| 18:46.07 | helo | i can start gdm manually without any problem |
| 18:46.14 | beardy | How? |
| 18:46.26 | helo | # gdm |
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| 18:46.35 | LRG | how do i restart x server? |
| 18:46.38 | greycat | did you accidentally delete the init.d script, but still have the package installed? if so, then your action is taken as an explicit rule not to install the init.d script ever again |
| 18:46.39 | beardy | !restart x |
| 18:46.41 | dpkg | Don't reboot, just restart X. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace if you are logged in (not working? Ask me about <dontzap>). '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 18:46.53 | beardy | !confmiss |
| 18:46.53 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:47.33 | greycat | whoever came up with "DPkg" needs a good slap |
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| 18:47.45 | beardy | Heh, yeah. |
| 18:48.01 | helo | actually... i may have deleted it a long time ago, after uninstalling gdm a while back... that must be it, thanks |
| 18:48.03 | greycat | it's bad enough one has to use C++ style configuration syntax... |
| 18:48.31 | beardy | helo: In the future, don't do that. Use purge to remove config files when removing a package. |
| 18:48.42 | helo | runs back and forth across the room 18 times to get the command right |
| 18:48.43 | beardy | !purge |
| 18:48.43 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>." |
| 18:49.01 | wuffi600 | stew, karme: thanx, byebye |
| 18:49.26 | Titan8990 | hmm thats a little misleading... i was always under the impression dpkg would not kill configs in home directories |
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| 18:49.48 | greycat | files in your home directory aren't "config files" from the package's point of view |
| 18:49.56 | beardy | It wont. |
| 18:50.10 | helo | would a "aptitude purge gdm" "aptitude install gdm" have done the same? |
| 18:50.12 | greycat | Debian config files are always in /etc |
| 18:50.21 | greycat | helo: probably |
| 18:50.29 | Titan8990 | So it really applies more to server applications then to desktop apps |
| 18:50.35 | beardy | No. |
| 18:50.48 | beardy | It purges the files installed by the package. |
| 18:51.08 | beardy | Things in your homedirectory are only created when running something, not installed by packages. |
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| 18:51.18 | Titan8990 | what about applications that generate configs such as sendmail? |
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| 18:51.31 | Titan8990 | or freeradius |
| 18:51.51 | Titan8990 | I am sure it doesn't do something like rm -rf /etc/freeradius |
| 18:52.05 | beardy | sendmail is not in Debian afaik, but try and see. If it's not added in the uninstall script they are probably left. |
| 18:52.12 | greycat | they removed sendmail? |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | judd, versions sendmail |
| 18:52.16 | judd | greycat: sendmail -- etch: 8.13.8-3 lenny: 8.14.3-5 sid: 8.14.3-5 sid: 8.14.3-6 sid: 8.14.3-9 squeeze: 8.14.3-9 |
| 18:52.41 | beardy | Heh ok. |
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| 18:52.50 | Titan8990 | its not the default MTA but still available |
| 18:53.04 | beardy | Well, neither is the rest of them but one. |
| 18:53.46 | beardy | Actually directories does get removed on purge. |
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| 18:54.14 | beardy | So as long as it's in it, it goes. (usually with a not empty whining, but gets removed anyway) |
| 18:54.17 | greycat | files that are generated through the use of the package, but not installed when you "aptitude" or "dpkg" or "apt-get" the package, are not purged when you purge the package. |
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| 18:54.36 | greycat | beardy: I think you're mistaken. |
| 18:54.37 | beardy | If the directory is, which it most often is, they are. |
| 18:54.44 | beardy | It's possible. |
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| 18:54.50 | Titan8990 | greycat, which makes total sense |
| 18:54.57 | greycat | more than one time I've seen dpkg tell me it's not removing a directory because it's not empty |
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| 18:55.10 | beardy | greycat: Yes. But it still removes it. |
| 18:55.56 | wal3 | hello. does anyone work with "expect"? If I telnet to irc, how can I make it reply to "PING :server" with "PONG :server"? |
| 18:56.15 | greycat | I believe #tcl covers expect |
| 18:56.39 | wal3 | i'll try :) |
| 18:56.42 | justin | just what the internet needs, another IRC bot ;) |
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| 18:56.46 | elli222 | welp, there goes the startech PCIe board. (module won't compile). so, would anyone know of any PCIe Serial card that works with debian? |
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| 18:57.34 | beardy | If it works with linux, and you are running the linux kernel, that's your concern. |
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| 18:58.29 | defineyourmorals | i'm having issues with apt-get and installing python-opengl |
| 18:58.40 | defineyourmorals | is this the correct channel? |
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| 18:59.04 | beardy | Not if you run Ubuntu. |
| 18:59.31 | defineyourmorals | ah. sorry. |
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| 18:59.53 | Squidy | I need to install krb5-kdc krb5-user that depend on the krb5-config.. but I don't want to install krb5-config.. is there a way to install those packages without install that one? |
| 19:00.00 | nsadmin | wal3: some stuff... #tcl, good place, if you're hip to aolserver (which uses tcl as scripting and config file lang), there's a way to load aolserver API or at least some of it... also you can get some of openacs API too; search around |
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| 19:01.25 | nsadmin | Squidy: the maints set things up specifically. the best is: either you're ok with that and you install the packages, or you're not and you come up with your own way, that you build, and that you maintain, and that you answer your own questions ab out |
| 19:02.29 | nsadmin | there are possibilities between the two (namely equivs for one) but that seems messy, and again, you would take responsibiility for that combination yourself |
| 19:04.01 | Squidy | nsadmin: isn't there any option in dpkg to force the installation of a package that depends on the other? |
| 19:05.23 | AimHere | There's --force-depends for dpkg, but it's very noisy |
| 19:06.10 | AimHere | You'll be nagged at everytime you use apt-get thereafter |
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| 19:09.05 | __lilibox | i have got installed basic version of debian |
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| 19:09.11 | __lilibox | with US system sets |
| 19:09.43 | __lilibox | i got problem correct see international characters |
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| 19:09.57 | __lilibox | does help utf-8 fs installation? |
| 19:10.30 | dbb | what language do you want ?? |
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| 19:11.03 | dbb | perhaps utf-8 is working, but you need a font |
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| 19:11.52 | dbb | Korean,Japanese,Chinese are hard.. arabic is hard.. others are easier |
| 19:13.01 | dbb | __lilibox: are you there? |
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| 19:14.05 | krisfree | hiya guys |
| 19:14.13 | krisfree | i have a problem from time to time |
| 19:14.25 | krisfree | my network on one debian box just stops working |
| 19:14.31 | krisfree | i can't ssh to it |
| 19:14.35 | krisfree | can't ping from it |
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| 19:15.34 | krisfree | i tried to restart the network through /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:15.39 | krisfree | but it still doesn't work |
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| 19:16.04 | Titan8990 | krisfree, dmesg | grep ethx |
| 19:16.20 | AimHere | Err, dmesg|grep eth |
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| 19:17.37 | Titan8990 | AimHere, x was meant to be a variable |
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| 19:18.05 | AimHere | Indeed, but it could have been confusing |
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| 19:21.13 | mentor | So, why does the new pulseaudio in sid not detect my ALSA devices? |
| 19:21.29 | __lilibox | dbb> sorry i was in beside room |
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| 19:21.43 | __lilibox | well, i need support of czech language |
| 19:21.50 | dbb | ok |
| 19:22.05 | dbb | maybe you need a font |
| 19:22.18 | dbb | monospace font for the terminal ? |
| 19:22.22 | jelly-home | mentor: perhaps ve haff ubuntu dewelopers sneakily uploading untested crap! |
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| 19:22.57 | nsadmin | mentor there's not a log file that pulseaudio logs to? |
| 19:23.10 | shivraj_ | hey I want to add kde as my desktop environment, what programming language did they use for kde ? |
| 19:23.13 | mentor | Admittedly, I was looking for a little more specificity. |
| 19:23.15 | jelly-home | __lilibox: /msg dpkg keymap, /msg dpkg locales |
| 19:23.21 | beardy | Maybe you were an aLssA. |
| 19:23.22 | mentor | shivraj_: There's nothing useful in the debug output |
| 19:23.25 | AimHere | kde is in c++ |
| 19:23.26 | shivraj_ | is removing gnome package gonna remove gnome ? |
| 19:23.27 | nsadmin | shivraj_ primarily c++ |
| 19:23.31 | __lilibox | dbb> well i use debian in text mode, i running there php, sqlite and some ajax |
| 19:23.42 | shivraj_ | this gnome is a little to slow, I think they used java |
| 19:23.55 | nsadmin | __lilibox: you should look into postgres |
| 19:23.57 | shivraj_ | or should I remove evolution ? |
| 19:24.19 | dbb | sqlite is an interesting project.. Iuse it too |
| 19:24.23 | __lilibox | when i type anything with our national chars in web pages running with php |
| 19:24.28 | __lilibox | everyting works fine |
| 19:24.36 | mentor | shivraj_: It may remove the gnome metapackage |
| 19:24.40 | dbb | right, but the terminal |
| 19:25.01 | __lilibox | but when i send the same text over sendEmail and look on it in outlook on windows |
| 19:25.07 | nsadmin | and yes, I tell most people that... mainly because I think it's true |
| 19:25.08 | dbb | jelly-home do you know a succint page I can read about how the debain terminal works in non Latin cahracters? |
| 19:25.13 | __lilibox | those chars are mad |
| 19:25.23 | dbb | I understand utf-8, not as much on Debian |
| 19:25.26 | beardy | laitn you mean? |
| 19:25.39 | __lilibox | i guess i need set correct character set |
| 19:25.48 | __lilibox | yes latin-2 |
| 19:26.20 | dbb | non-Latin1 characters |
| 19:26.20 | jelly-home | __lilibox: if you set up the correct global locale and the correct keymap, things should "just work" |
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| 19:26.37 | jelly-home | __lilibox: use utf-8 enabled locales if you can. |
| 19:26.47 | mentor | What he said |
| 19:26.50 | __lilibox | jelly-home> yes, but where? i use just basic instalation in text mode, no access on internet |
| 19:26.59 | karme | !utf-8 |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | UTF-8 is way of encoding multibyte characters from the Universal Character Set (Unicode/ISO10646). UTF-8 is a superset of US-ASCII but can represent all of unicode. By default, Debian will use a UTF-8 locale for you, but ask me about <locales><localised errors>. Typically, you use something like "LANG=<lang>_<CC>.utf8" eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for US-English). To fix garbled man pages, see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian. |
| 19:27.04 | __lilibox | i got "barelly" knowledge about linux |
| 19:27.12 | jelly-home | __lilibox: did you ask dpkg what I told you to? |
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| 19:27.53 | dbb | dpkg keymap dpkg locales |
| 19:27.53 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, dbb |
| 19:27.54 | jelly-home | __lilibox: type "/msg dpkg keymap" in irc... dpkg the bot should reply with a private message |
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| 19:28.09 | __lilibox | ok, thanks |
| 19:28.10 | dbb | ohhh |
| 19:28.30 | dbb | dpkg is also an IRC robot on this channel |
| 19:28.31 | dpkg | dbb: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:28.32 | dbb | hhu |
| 19:28.33 | jelly-home | __lilibox: also ask it about "locales" |
| 19:28.38 | nsadmin | __lilibox: then it'd be useful for you to consider learning more general stuff about linux, at first just so you can get around, and so things are more convenient |
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| 19:28.53 | nsadmin | dpkg: it's YOU! |
| 19:28.53 | dpkg | nsadmin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:29.03 | nsadmin | I expected as much... |
| 19:29.21 | dbb | ;-) |
| 19:29.23 | __lilibox | nsadmin> i need to show the right way only .. |
| 19:29.27 | __lilibox | ;-) |
| 19:29.38 | nsadmin | __lilibox: no such thing. |
| 19:29.57 | nsadmin | there are more than one way to do just about everything |
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| 19:30.58 | nsadmin | the only right ways that exist have corresponding left ways |
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| 19:32.17 | nsadmin | so the more general, core knowledge you have, the better... at the very least, know your shell, know your installations overall dir tree structure, know your basic tools |
| 19:32.23 | nsadmin | !grounding |
| 19:32.23 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 19:33.06 | nsadmin | reference material might be too heavy for you at the moment, but that general cli tutorial sounds good |
| 19:33.09 | dustybin | is there a tool what lists all the directories a application has installed into? |
| 19:33.25 | nsadmin | dustybin: dpkg |
| 19:33.30 | dustybin | oh |
| 19:33.38 | AimHere | dustybin, synaptic will tell you too, if you're a quiche-eating gui user |
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| 19:33.55 | dustybin | nope, im a command line eater |
| 19:34.05 | nsadmin | real men eat pad thai |
| 19:34.11 | dustybin | same same |
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| 19:34.45 | karme | dpkg -L dpkg|while read i; do dirname "$i"; done|sort|uniq |
| 19:34.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching dpkg|while read i; do dirname "$i"; done|sort|uniq |
| 19:34.51 | karme | dpkg: shut up |
| 19:34.52 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 19:36.04 | karme | polishes dpkg's metal ... |
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| 19:37.22 | lobo99 | hello, I have an usb pen drive but I can't open (before I can work with them): fdisk /dev/sdb Unable to open /dev/sdb |
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| 19:37.56 | Wulf_ | lobo99: tried that as root? |
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| 19:41.39 | lobo99 | Wulf_: yes, i tried as root |
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| 19:46.07 | AKX | What would be the best way to make a system automatically login as a certain user on boot? |
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| 19:46.08 | AimHere | If you're using gdm, then gdmsetup has the relevant option in one of the tabs |
| 19:46.08 | AimHere | I imagine there is something similar for xdm and kdm |
| 19:46.09 | AimHere | Though xdm might just have a config file to edit or sth |
| 19:46.09 | lobo99 | AKX:I do it with system /administration /login window |
| 19:46.09 | AKX | Console login is enough here. |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | do you really need a login shell, or do you actually want to run some application on a console? |
| 19:47.19 | AKX | I need a login shell. I'm trying to build a specialty VM appliance that should just log in as the specified user. |
| 19:48.39 | greycat | AKX: well, I guess you could try putting "/bin/login username" in the inittab file (make that user account have no password), but I've never tried that |
| 19:49.30 | AKX | Hmmm... |
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| 19:49.36 | jelly-home | #12:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 -n -l /usr/local/sbin/gnj tty12 |
| 19:49.54 | jelly-home | has no idea what /usr/local/sbin/gnj did |
| 19:50.16 | jelly-home | but apparently it didn't work in the inittab by itself |
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| 19:50.40 | greycat | oh, getty takes a program name? hmm....' |
| 19:50.41 | AKX | I think I'll just tune the getty line to print a custom issue |
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| 19:50.54 | greycat | you can't just edit /etc/issue ? |
| 19:50.54 | AKX | Which says "log in as user XXX, password YYY." |
| 19:51.02 | AKX | I'd rather not, since something might depend on its contents. |
| 19:51.05 | greycat | why even bother giving it a password? |
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| 19:52.18 | greycat | jelly-home: looks like "getty -l foo" would still prompt for a username, then would invoke foo with that username |
| 19:52.53 | AKX | greycat: there's also an option to not prompt for an username |
| 19:53.00 | AKX | so foo is simply run as root |
| 19:53.23 | AKX | So making foo simply "#!/bin/sh; login user" might work. |
| 19:54.28 | greycat | I'm still not seeing the advantage of using getty there, instead of just "/bin/login foouser" |
| 19:54.46 | AKX | Don't you need getty to be able to communicate via the tty? |
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| 19:55.21 | greycat | perhaps if you have a serial console |
| 19:55.43 | greycat | try 'em both and see what works. this is all new to me anyway |
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| 19:57.34 | AKX | well, /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 -l /usr/sbin/login-script -n |
| 19:57.36 | AKX | works fine |
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| 20:13.43 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
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| 20:14.58 | babilen | !ops edanur__ pr0n spam in private msgs |
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| 20:14.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: edanur__ pr0n spam in private msgs |
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| 20:15.19 | abrotman | babilen: thank you |
| 20:15.40 | shivraj | what video card will give me the best X experience ? already love kde |
| 20:15.54 | abrotman | shivraj: depends how you define 'best' |
| 20:15.54 | stew | !best |
| 20:15.54 | babilen | abrotman: thank you. Please contact him/her first.. ;-) |
| 20:15.54 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 20:16.10 | stew | babilen: contact who? |
| 20:16.21 | abrotman | babilen: he was klined |
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| 20:16.55 | macrobat | shivraj: i guess the latest nvidia card times 3 in sli |
| 20:16.55 | stew | babilen: that same spam has been hitting this channel and redhat for like 5 years now, we're well beyond the point of trying to talk to it |
| 20:17.06 | stew | err '#redhat' |
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| 20:17.53 | babilen | alright. I am fine with him/her klined :-D |
| 20:17.58 | smacnay | Is there an issue with kaddressbook not installing due to libgnokii4 not being available while version 5 is? I can't install some of kde that would make it quite functional to me. This is in Deb sid and I do realize that things can be broken in sid quit easily. |
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| 20:18.25 | action09__ | smacnay welcome to the real World Neo |
| 20:18.42 | smacnay | action00: pardon? |
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| 20:18.47 | shivraj | abrotman: this 8400gs card is not cutting it, something with good drivers .. |
| 20:18.57 | shivraj | are these nv drivers any good ? |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | define good ... |
| 20:19.07 | shivraj | but so glad I upgraded to kde |
| 20:19.11 | action00 | smacnay things can be vroken in sid sure. sid: still in destruction :) |
| 20:19.27 | smacnay | action00: well, I will wait it out. Thanks. |
| 20:19.29 | shivraj | how do I fix all of that nasty stuff when you drag a window ? |
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| 20:19.43 | action00 | smacnay sorry can't help on this, just joking ;) |
| 20:20.12 | chops1 | smacnay: Testing is a lot like sid but without those sorts of issues |
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| 20:21.01 | macrobat | nv doesnt do 3D iirc |
| 20:21.08 | smacnay | chops1: I used testing on my last computer and always found there were newer apps in sid that took forever to get to teting. Apps with additions I either really wanted or needed. |
| 20:21.17 | smacnay | macrobat: you are correct on that |
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| 20:21.44 | macrobat | nv is also a lot slower on 2D |
| 20:22.03 | babilen | smacnay: you can still compile those from source. they do not migrate to testing for good reasons (ie bugs) |
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| 20:22.20 | smacnay | babilen: true. |
| 20:22.42 | shivraj | macrobat: I dont want 3d is this 3d stuff ? kde that is ? |
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| 20:22.56 | ranix | shivraj: kde is visual garbage |
| 20:23.10 | chops1 | smacnay: You can also fake it when odd things happen in sid by installing individual apps from testing and sort of trying to jam things into place. That's a good way to break things, but breaking things is a good way to learn about how to fix them :-) |
| 20:23.10 | ranix | shivraj: it's like plastic noise |
| 20:23.23 | shivraj | ranix: no .. what do you use, I used gnome for the longest |
| 20:23.36 | ranix | shivraj: you can try xfce4, that's what I use. I enjoy it |
| 20:23.42 | shivraj | hehe thats the theme Im using love it, plastik |
| 20:23.48 | smacnay | chops1: yes, I am good at breaking things for sure... :) |
| 20:24.08 | shivraj | ranix: I pass ... this is way too nice |
| 20:24.14 | shivraj | and fasst |
| 20:24.19 | ranix | don't know why someonw would enjoy the nonsense menus in kde and having their UI look like a baby toy |
| 20:24.27 | ranix | someone^ |
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| 20:25.46 | shivraj | ranix: such a mean thing to say, |
| 20:25.57 | shivraj | ranix: let me enjoy my toy, |
| 20:26.24 | shivraj | cant wait to try out the redmond theme |
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| 20:26.50 | smacnay | ranix: I can't say that is what draws me to kde but I do like the unified look. |
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| 20:27.16 | smacnay | ranix: I have been using nothing but Gnome for some time now and like it a lot as well. |
| 20:28.56 | dutchfish | ranix, at least we have a choice, lets keep it that way |
| 20:29.23 | km | is there a repos for ldmanager program? |
| 20:29.23 | macrobat | shivraj: i dont think desktop effects will run with the nv driver. redmond theme? |
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| 20:30.40 | shivraj | macrobat: its a theme :) |
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| 20:30.50 | shivraj | macrobat: so what driver should I use then ? |
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| 20:32.15 | macrobat | the nvidia driver for nvidia gfx cards |
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| 20:32.41 | km | which one should i install ldirectord or lidirectord2 |
| 20:32.49 | km | ldirectord2 |
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| 20:33.43 | shivraj | macrobat: just aptitude install ? |
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| 20:34.22 | macrobat | shivraj: here is the complicated way that will get you the latest version: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
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| 20:34.44 | shivraj | macrobat: I dont want the latest version |
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| 20:35.29 | shivraj | macrobat: I want to use lenny not sid |
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| 20:37.00 | ab | Hi. Could someone please point me to an uptodate tutorial about how to install debian using a USB-Stick? |
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| 20:38.46 | mesa_booger | shivraj: i wonder if he meant the latest nvidia driver. proprietary drivers and debian are not really the best of mates btw |
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| 20:39.53 | bzrk | ab: heres my personal howto, parts are in german but youll get it anyway i think http://pastie.org/638630 |
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| 20:40.26 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:40.27 | greycat | judd, versions nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:40.28 | judd | greycat: nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09+3+lenny1 sid/non-free: 173.14.09+3+lenny1 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09+3+lenny1 |
| 20:40.28 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.50 | ab | bzrk: thank you |
| 20:41.53 | woshty_ | Agiofws: brand? |
| 20:41.59 | bzrk | ab: yw |
| 20:42.53 | Agiofws | woshty_, asus f3sa : debian |
| 20:43.02 | Agiofws | ati hd2600 |
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| 20:44.01 | j_14 | Agiofws: Can't you adjust the brightness from the BIOS. I know this would still be annoying but its a lot faster than booting Vista. |
| 20:44.05 | shivraj | macrobat: I think its working, this nvidia-glx, brb |
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| 20:45.24 | Agiofws | j_14, ithink the bios screen is still dull ... and i remember i could not change its state but not 100% sure |
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| 20:48.01 | wad | I'm a little surprised: I'm running ntp on my box, but the clock is 15 minutes behind! |
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| 20:50.31 | greycat | wad: install ntpdate as well, so you can do large bumps at boot time |
| 20:50.46 | babilen | Agiofws: i guess you already tried adjusting the screen brightness? |
| 20:51.03 | wad | Ah... this machine hasn't rebooted in more than a year. |
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| 20:51.28 | greycat | in that case, make sure ntpd didn't outright die. |
| 20:51.32 | wad | nods |
| 20:51.52 | stew | ntpd can make quick adjustments now if its configured correctly |
| 20:52.05 | themill | what's the maximum timestep that ntp will take before it decides that the world is borked and gives up? |
| 20:52.16 | alnr | i'm doing aptitude upgrade on a 4.0. it dies installing core-utils saying its trying to overwrite a file used by util-linux. i am attempting to remove util-linux and getting a dire warning (i have to say "yes this is what i want"). is this a bad idea or, is there a safer way to clear the roadblock to aptitude upgrade? |
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| 20:52.28 | themill | !iburst |
| 20:52.28 | dpkg | iburst is a setting for ntpd that permits it to send out NTP packets to sync to remote NTP servers. unlike burst, this only happens on start, so it is gentle on already busy NTPds |
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| 20:52.34 | stew | themill: look at the -g option in man ntpd |
| 20:53.04 | xeon-enouf | isn;t ntpdate no longer maintained upstream or something? |
| 20:54.24 | stew | xeon-enouf: yes, and its upstream deprecates using it |
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| 20:54.47 | themill | stew: hmm so 15 minutes is dangerously close to 1000s for these purposes. |
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| 20:55.14 | Agiofws | babilen, the FN keys will not work |
| 20:55.23 | Agiofws | babilen, is there a debian command ? |
| 20:55.30 | xeon-enouf | Agiofws: find /sys -name '*BRIGHT*' |
| 20:55.51 | stew | Agiofws: "xbacklight -set 100" ? |
| 20:56.15 | LRG | whats a good coding package for lenny ? |
| 20:56.16 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$xbacklight -set 100 |
| 20:56.16 | Agiofws | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:56.16 | Agiofws | RandR extension missing |
| 20:56.22 | Agiofws | vim |
| 20:56.35 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$find /sys -name '*BRIGHT*' |
| 20:56.36 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
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| 20:56.51 | LRG | !paste |
| 20:56.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:56.57 | themill | LRG: kdevelop, monodevelop, eric, vim, emacs. there are many. Try them all and decide which ones you like. |
| 20:57.05 | xeon-enouf | hrm, would Battery vs Wall Adapter or cpufrequtils affect the brightness? |
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| 20:57.25 | wad | Okay, so I'm not seeing an obvious way to fix my time right now. |
| 20:57.35 | loca|host | is there a problems with debian's security repositorys ? i cant connect to any .. |
| 20:57.36 | xeon-enouf | Agiofws: now replace -name with -iname and then do /proc instead |
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| 20:57.45 | mathbr | Hi. Am I the only one experiencing segfaults with GtkFileChooserDialog since GTK 2.18? |
| 20:57.51 | wad | I can just use the date command, but that seems lame. I'd rather it just set its time via ntp. |
| 20:57.53 | TOMAS0 | Enter text here... |
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| 20:58.19 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# find /proc -iname '*BRIGHT*' |
| 20:58.19 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
| 20:58.19 | stew | wad: make sure you have -g in /etc/default/ntp and you have it configured for iburst and restart ntpd |
| 20:58.22 | Agiofws | xeon-enouf, |
| 20:58.23 | TOMAS0 | GIA |
| 20:58.37 | stew | TOMAS0: is this somehow debian related? |
| 20:58.38 | LRG | themill do they have built in SCP stuff in etc? |
| 20:59.05 | xeon-enouf | Agiofws: you're missing some pkgs then, i guess - seen /msg dpkg laptop ? |
| 20:59.07 | loca|host | how to fill my sources.list ? from where i get the sources ? |
| 20:59.12 | wad | stew: check. I've restarted it several times. |
| 20:59.13 | themill | LRG: the kde-ones will let you use sftp transparently. What sort of development are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:59.17 | beardy | !apt-spy |
| 20:59.18 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 20:59.21 | beardy | !mirrors |
| 20:59.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 20:59.26 | babilen | Agiofws: on my t60 its /proc/acpi/video/VID1/LCD0/brightness |
| 20:59.28 | wad | It's a default install.... I didn't do anything fancy. |
| 20:59.40 | babilen | Agiofws: but that assumed that you have proper ACPI support |
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| 21:00.18 | babilen | s/assumed/assumes |
| 21:01.17 | wad | Bah. Ntp just isn't working. Probably firewalled or something. I just set the time with the date command. |
| 21:01.29 | Agiofws | laptop-mode-tools is already the newest version. |
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| 21:01.53 | Agiofws | babilen, |
| 21:02.31 | babilen | wad: you could also try chrony |
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| 21:03.13 | babilen | Agiofws: yes? |
| 21:03.29 | Agiofws | acpi is already the newest version. |
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| 21:04.30 | Agiofws | acpi-support is already the newest version. |
| 21:04.30 | Agiofws | acpi-support-base is already the newest version. |
| 21:04.31 | babilen | Agiofws: i am not familiar with your hardware. Have you found something in /proc? Do you have hotkey-setup installed/running? |
| 21:04.57 | xeon-enouf | Agiofws: whose kernel? show us cat /proc/version |
| 21:05.09 | shivraj | ranix: these sounds are music to my ears |
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| 21:05.29 | Agiofws | Linux version 2.6.26.5 (root@ixus) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #8 SMP Fri Jun 12 19:45:04 EEST 2009 |
| 21:05.32 | shivraj | ranix: btw hows xfce4 ? |
| 21:05.34 | xeon-enouf | naps for a bit - bbl Agiofws |
| 21:05.46 | Agiofws | no nothing in proc |
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| 21:06.33 | shivraj | let me see if I can get this onboard radeon hd to work ..... |
| 21:06.40 | babilen | Agiofws: You should check if there is some specific kernel module that enabled proper acpi support for your hardware |
| 21:06.53 | themill | Agiofws: did you compile in (or compile as modules) the relevant acpi stuff? |
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| 21:07.22 | mathbr | Just discovered that one has to kill all gvfs processes. |
| 21:07.28 | Agiofws | themill, i don't know do you want me to check ? i assume compile IN |
| 21:07.33 | babilen | Agiofws: what was your laptop again? |
| 21:07.36 | mathbr | Bye |
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| 21:08.08 | Agiofws | f3sa asus |
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| 21:10.37 | themill | Agiofws: the "video" module is normally used. there are various ACPI_VIDEO config options |
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| 21:10.56 | babilen | Agiofws: try loading the asus_acpi module (# modprobe asus_acpi), install and run hotkey-setup and tell me if you can adjust the brightness with the FN keys after each step |
| 21:11.43 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# modprobe asus_acpi |
| 21:11.43 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module asus_acpi not found. |
| 21:12.38 | Agiofws | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup ... |
| 21:12.58 | woshty_ | Agiofws: are you using a stock kernel? |
| 21:13.09 | babilen | exactly... |
| 21:13.14 | Agiofws | vanilla |
| 21:13.16 | jpinx-eeepc | can anyone tell me how the package mbr works? there's no man page |
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| 21:13.37 | Agiofws | how do i run hotkey-setup ? |
| 21:13.43 | babilen | Agiofws: do you have any reason for not installing the kernel distributed by Debian? |
| 21:13.44 | Agiofws | no such execuatlble |
| 21:13.56 | Agiofws | babilen, like compiling my own kerns |
| 21:14.08 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: /usr/share/doc/mbr/? |
| 21:14.30 | babilen | Agiofws: then compile one with asus_acpi support ;-) or install the stock kernel |
| 21:14.38 | Agiofws | ggr ok |
| 21:14.40 | Agiofws | wait |
| 21:14.47 | babilen | waits |
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| 21:15.03 | themill | judd kconfig ASUS --release lenny |
| 21:15.04 | judd | themill: Searching for 'ASUS' in lenny kernel config gives ACPI_ASUS=m ASUS_LAPTOP=m USB_PEGASUS=m HISAX_ASUSCOM=y. |
| 21:15.05 | aminus | hi where can i find these xlibs |
| 21:15.05 | aminus | xlibs-dev |
| 21:15.05 | aminus | jpeg-6b |
| 21:15.06 | aminus | libpng-1.2.5 |
| 21:15.06 | aminus | zlib-1.2.1 |
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| 21:15.32 | themill | dpkg: tell aminus about enter |
| 21:15.37 | Agiofws | babilen, whats the command to config the kernel ? |
| 21:15.44 | Agiofws | make config ? |
| 21:15.49 | Agiofws | no not that one |
| 21:15.50 | themill | aminus: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:15.58 | Agiofws | not xconfig ... |
| 21:16.06 | aminus | ok |
| 21:16.08 | babilen | Agiofws: just install the stock kernel |
| 21:16.17 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: thanks - it's lilo stuff:( |
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| 21:16.43 | Legend | Greets :) |
| 21:16.47 | Agiofws | whats the command display the kernels config file ? |
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| 21:16.53 | Agiofws | not in x |
| 21:17.03 | Legend | Does anyone know offhand is OFL (SIL Open Font License) fonts are valid for inclusion in Debian Free? |
| 21:17.44 | babilen | Agiofws: make menuconfig. But why do you insist on doing that? |
| 21:18.01 | Agiofws | to see if i have the module compiled |
| 21:18.03 | Agiofws | and loading it |
| 21:18.41 | babilen | Agiofws: the module was obviously *not* compiled |
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| 21:19.47 | themill | Agiofws: if you used make-kpkg, then you'd be able to "grep ASUS /boot/config-$(uname -r)" but seeing as you didn't, you'll have to hope you've got a copy of your config somewhere. |
| 21:19.54 | babilen | Agiofws: If you want to solve that problem install the stock kernel or configure your kernel properly. There are a lot of tutorial on the net which explain how to do this |
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| 21:20.23 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.53 | babilen | Agiofws: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html for a start |
| 21:20.54 | jefinc | is there an AutoCAD type program for linux? |
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| 21:22.01 | Agiofws | < > Video ? |
| 21:22.05 | elli222 | Hi, my Caps Lock LED dosen't light up when using a VT, but still takes (it's horrid) effect, so i sometimes find myself typing in caps without knowing. it works fine in X and i can manully set the LED using setleds, how would i fix it? |
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| 21:23.12 | Agiofws | themill, i do have a a copy of my config file naturally |
| 21:23.40 | babilen | elli222: which debian release are you using? |
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| 21:23.48 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/usr/src/linux$grep ASUS .config |
| 21:23.48 | Agiofws | CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=y |
| 21:23.48 | Agiofws | # CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS is not set |
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| 21:24.28 | elli222 | babilen, an up-to-date sid |
| 21:24.47 | babilen | Agiofws: it might be a good idea to paste your kernel config somewhere instead of giving it to us piece by piece. |
| 21:25.43 | babilen | elli222: you might have luck with reconfiguring console-setup . |
| 21:25.51 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 21:26.51 | babilen | Agiofws: But let me give you a better option. Install the stock kernel. Verify that everything works as expected and *then* try to build your own custom kernel. |
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| 21:27.41 | elli222 | babilen, that seemed to do nothing, should i reboot? |
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| 21:29.21 | elli222 | babilen, install-keymap KERNEL fixed it :P |
| 21:29.27 | babilen | elli222: I am using caps lock as ctrl, and it works beautifully in X and VT after properly configuring console-setup |
| 21:29.39 | babilen | elli222: ah, OK |
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| 21:30.34 | babilen | elli222: another happy customer :-) enjoy you caps lock free life! Who needs that key anyway? |
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| 21:31.33 | elli222 | babilen, one last problem, whenever i start up mc, it gives me this error: Chosen display charset (Settings->Display bits) or source codeset (in mcedit ctrl-t) does not match one set via locale. |
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| 21:32.38 | elli222 | it has an option to fix it on a per-user basis, but... |
| 21:32.42 | shivraj | hi I want to see if I can use my onboard radeon hd card |
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| 21:32.49 | shivraj | which should work with the radeon hd driver |
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| 21:33.15 | shivraj | how do I configure it ? |
| 21:33.16 | CoolCold | hi |
| 21:33.28 | Agiofws | themill, http://codepad.org/7rBNuDjP |
| 21:33.39 | Agiofws | take a look if you want to |
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| 21:34.34 | CoolCold | guys, debian file system layout question - are any reasons to use /usr/lib/pkg/libexec/blabla.bin or it is better to use /usr/lib/pkg/blabla.bin for pkg specific binaries/scripts? |
| 21:34.46 | Agiofws | contrast attribute information of monitor lvds : |
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| 21:34.57 | valdyn | shivraj: you dont need to configure it |
| 21:35.10 | Agiofws | brightness attribute information of monitor lvds : |
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| 21:35.17 | shivraj | valdyn: its using vesa driver not the radeonhd driver |
| 21:35.56 | valdyn | shivraj: if /etc/X11/xorg.conf sets the driver to vesa then just move that file away |
| 21:36.07 | valdyn | shivraj: if its not, then your card isn't supported |
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| 21:36.31 | shivraj | valdyn: well its a radeon hd 4200 which should be supported |
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| 21:36.38 | valdyn | shivraj: in lenny? |
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| 21:36.46 | shivraj | valdyn: yes Im in lenny |
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| 21:37.03 | valdyn | shivraj: give the pci id of that device |
| 21:37.05 | shivraj | valdyn: someone said something about not recognizing the pci-id |
| 21:37.34 | valdyn | shivraj: if the pci id isnt 'recongnised' then the device is not supported |
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| 21:38.09 | valdyn | shivraj: still show the device id and we can check if squeeze or sid support it |
| 21:38.23 | jelly-home | [219157.804030] udevadm[7924]: segfault at 0 ip b7ea51e3 sp bf9bd438 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b7e2e000+15a000] |
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| 21:39.54 | CoolCold | looks like kde4 uses libexec, so i can too :) |
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| 21:42.14 | shivraj | valdyn: strange, doing sudo X -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf works but no desktop env loaded |
| 21:42.25 | shivraj | valdyn: xorg.conf has radeonhd driver and busid |
| 21:42.38 | shivraj | now when I try to run startx as regular user it doesnt start |
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| 21:43.30 | valdyn | shivraj: run startx then read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:44.14 | valdyn | shivraj: theres some cards that are known but blacklisted in auto detection because the support is experimental |
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| 21:45.13 | shivraj | valdyn: oh well let me plug my nvidia card back in |
| 21:45.25 | shivraj | valdyn: thought I could return it and get my money back |
| 21:45.45 | valdyn | shivraj: youre not really trying to fix it |
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| 21:46.36 | shivraj | valdyn: I should try harder ? |
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| 21:47.00 | valdyn | shivraj: if you come here asking, then you need to give us the info was ask for |
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| 21:47.10 | valdyn | shivraj: or else you dont need to come here asking |
| 21:47.26 | valdyn | shivraj: maybe you tried everything possible, i cant know that |
| 21:47.41 | Fare | hum, I upgraded to kde4 and kdm isn't working anymore -- complains about Success running some dbus daemon helper for ConsoleKit. Happily gdm works fine. |
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| 21:48.09 | valdyn | Fare: kde4 is migrating to policy kit too |
| 21:48.16 | valdyn | Fare: thats a new permission system |
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| 21:48.29 | Fare | uh, what does that mean for me? |
| 21:48.39 | valdyn | Fare: services required to support this are usually not properly restarted or cannot be properly restarted |
| 21:48.55 | Fare | so if I reboot, kdm will work fine? |
| 21:49.04 | valdyn | Fare: you need to log out and restart all depending services in order, reboot is easier yes |
| 21:49.11 | valdyn | Fare: i cannot tell you if reboot will work |
| 21:49.20 | Fare | ok, will try anyway... |
| 21:49.23 | valdyn | Fare: im just saying what this transition usually involves |
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| 21:49.35 | Fare | ok. Still worth a shot. |
| 21:49.54 | Fare | I ought to reboot after a dist-upgrade that includes the kernel, anyway |
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| 21:51.04 | valdyn | Fare: i tink gdm does not use policykit |
| 21:51.09 | shivraj | valdyn: this is the model# of mobo, its asus m4a78t |
| 21:51.11 | valdyn | Fare: gnome does, maybe kdm does |
| 21:51.22 | valdyn | shivraj: i asked for the pci id of the display device |
| 21:51.47 | Fare | hum. What does "loading, please wait" mean, at boot time? grub not doing its job? |
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| 21:52.04 | valdyn | shivraj: "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" will list your graphics devices, including pci id |
| 21:52.36 | martin12345 | Is there a very old debian release(probably with 2.4 kernel) available, which supports linear flash out of the box? |
| 21:53.02 | valdyn | martin12345: what is linear flash? |
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| 21:53.25 | martin12345 | valdyn: does this "lspci -nn" work with AGP and PCI-E bus as well? |
| 21:53.46 | valdyn | martin12345: yes |
| 21:53.46 | valdyn | martin12345: its all pci |
| 21:53.46 | martin12345 | valdyn: it's very old flash memory system used for example in Cisco routers to store IOS |
| 21:54.24 | Fare | grub2 can load my good old manually compiled linux 2.6.26, but apparently not the debian-provided 2.6.30-2 :-/ |
| 21:54.29 | martin12345 | valdyn: As much as I know, for example Windows 98 supported this out of the box |
| 21:55.31 | martin12345 | valdyn: newer(2000 and onwards) use usually Compact Flash to store IOS |
| 21:55.33 | valdyn | Fare: so? |
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| 21:56.07 | valdyn | Fare: whats the error? |
| 21:56.08 | martin12345 | However, I have never heard, that anyone has managed to get linear flash to work at nowadays. |
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| 21:56.32 | zareliman | hi, could some1 help me to fix sound |
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| 21:57.35 | valdyn | martin12345: you know this: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.7 ? |
| 21:57.39 | phlux | ohi |
| 21:57.40 | shivraj_ | valdyn: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9710] |
| 21:57.53 | valdyn | judd: xorg [1002:9710] |
| 21:57.54 | judd | valdyn: Error: "1002:9710" is not a valid command. |
| 21:57.58 | valdyn | judd: xorg 1002:9710 |
| 21:58.00 | judd | valdyn: Device 1002:9710 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 21:58.06 | valdyn | there |
| 21:58.11 | valdyn | weird |
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| 21:58.41 | valdyn | judd: kernel 1002:9710 |
| 21:58.43 | judd | valdyn: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 21:59.03 | Fare | valdyn, just hanging indefinitely at "Loading, please wait" when trying to load the debian kernel (with an otherwise blank screen) |
| 21:59.12 | SPF | how do I use resolveconf? --help is not working and also man does not show any entry? |
| 21:59.28 | Fare | loading my hand-compiled 2.6.26 is almost instantaneous, by comparison |
| 21:59.52 | valdyn | Fare: somehow i doubt this is grubs fault |
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| 22:00.08 | jelly-home | judd: list piccy |
| 22:00.09 | valdyn | Fare: on which filesystem type is that kernel? |
| 22:00.09 | judd | jelly-home: kconfig, kernel, kernelconfig, kernels, lastupdate, pciid, pciname, update, and xorg |
| 22:00.30 | stew | judd: pciid 1002:9710 |
| 22:00.31 | judd | stew: [1002:9710] is 'Unknown device' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9710 |
| 22:00.40 | Fare | the 2.6.26 immediately clears the screen and prints Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... etc, and boots w/o problem :-/ |
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| 22:01.02 | Fare | maybe I can just aptitude reinstall linux-image ? |
| 22:01.12 | valdyn | Fare: maybe you should answer my question |
| 22:01.27 | Fare | ext3, I think, lemme check... |
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| 22:02.31 | Fare | ext3 indeed |
| 22:02.34 | beered | I can ping IPs, ssh in to a machine using IP, but I can't resolve anything. Resolv.config looks ok. NS in interface is correct. Can't figure this out. |
| 22:02.37 | valdyn | Fare: also you might have the quiet option set, remove it if you have or use the recovery boot option which doesnt have quiet set |
| 22:02.48 | Spec | beered: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:02.55 | benedikt | beered: can you do "nslookup google.com"? |
| 22:03.12 | beered | benedikt: I get the following: ** server can't find google.com: NXDOMAIN |
| 22:03.16 | valdyn | judd: xorg 10de:05e2 |
| 22:03.17 | judd | valdyn: In lenny, device 10de:05e2 is matched by xorg driver: 'nv'. |
| 22:03.26 | benedikt | beered: what does it say that it is using as server? |
| 22:03.38 | valdyn | shivraj_: im confused that it works at all |
| 22:03.43 | beered | benedikt: its using my DNS server. Address is correct. |
| 22:03.52 | valdyn | shivraj_: maybe it actually used the vesa driver |
| 22:04.01 | beered | benedikt: that DNS server is used by other machines and those have no issues. |
| 22:04.09 | benedikt | can you ping it? |
| 22:04.30 | beered | benedikt: I can ping IP, but not FQDN. |
| 22:04.43 | benedikt | can you ping the ip of the dns server? |
| 22:04.47 | shivraj_ | valdyn: yeah its using the vesa driver right now |
| 22:04.49 | valdyn | beered: show your hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:05.15 | shivraj_ | this nvidia board with nv driver sucks, this vesa driver works better thougt at a lower resolution not 1900x1200 |
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| 22:05.46 | pickcoder | beered: try "dig @4.2.2.1 google.com" |
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| 22:06.24 | beered | valdyn: hosts: files dns |
| 22:06.26 | valdyn | beered: can your ping resolve names properly? |
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| 22:06.35 | beered | valdyn: no |
| 22:06.38 | pickcoder | if you can't get a result from that then you have a firewall problem |
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| 22:07.17 | valdyn | beered: your resolver may not be ok, but you defenitely have an error in the networking part |
| 22:07.17 | beered | pickcoder: dig resolves fine when I use that command. |
| 22:07.28 | nixbox | i have two hard disks, i am currently using gentoo linux on one, and want to install debain on the other, is there a way to install debain on the other hard disk while staying in gentoo? |
| 22:07.31 | pickcoder | so find out why domain lookups are being blocked |
| 22:08.02 | pickcoder | you may also want to pastebin your resolv.conf |
| 22:08.02 | beered | pickcoder: dig @4.2.2.1 google.com works fine. |
| 22:08.17 | adb | nixbox, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 22:08.37 | beered | pickcoder: its just one line, nameserver my.ns.server.address |
| 22:08.54 | valdyn | beered: your nameserver is telling you NXDOMAIN |
| 22:09.02 | shivraj_ | valdyn: whats a good video card that works well ? |
| 22:09.05 | bolt | wowee! the mouse patch i've been modding the kernel with the last year is in 2.6.30 on squeeze :D |
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| 22:09.11 | beered | valdyn: ok. not sure what that means. |
| 22:09.13 | bolt | no more kernel build for me |
| 22:09.13 | valdyn | shivraj_: any nvidia works fine |
| 22:09.21 | valdyn | shivraj_: with nvidias proprietary drivers |
| 22:09.27 | pickcoder | beered: your own name server, or your ISPs name server? |
| 22:09.37 | beered | pickcoder: its my own ns server. |
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| 22:09.59 | valdyn | shivraj_: any intel can be made to work fine |
| 22:10.11 | valdyn | shivraj_: thats it, i cant give you specific cards really |
| 22:10.17 | pickcoder | then it's not recursing to a primary name server |
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| 22:10.34 | shivraj_ | valdyn: well I'll just plug in the nvidia and use the proprietary drivers |
| 22:10.37 | beered | pickcoder: ns is working fine for all other servers. |
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| 22:11.11 | valdyn | beered: your nameserver is telling you NXDOMANI why? |
| 22:11.24 | valdyn | beered: maybe its not the same nameserver as the other servers are using |
| 22:11.35 | beered | valdyn: its the same server. |
| 22:12.03 | valdyn | beered: i somehow doubt that |
| 22:12.03 | beered | valdyn: ok. |
| 22:12.20 | Fare | removing the quiet, I get much more output. It's stalled somewhere after loading the IDE driver... sees hda (disk) and hdc (cd), then hangs :-( |
| 22:12.27 | beered | any other suggestions for my ns issue? |
| 22:12.33 | pickcoder | did you allow recursion for the host you're setting up? |
| 22:12.46 | valdyn | beered: debug it if you do not believe nslookup |
| 22:12.48 | adb | beered, use other switch .. |
| 22:12.48 | pickcoder | or is it set to any |
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| 22:13.24 | beered | pickcoder: let me check recursion. I'm sure its set but let me double check that. |
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| 22:13.26 | jpinx-eeepc | where can I read a good idiots guide to loopback devices? I need to create one on an unpartitioned USB stick that has a live image on it. |
| 22:13.33 | Fare | wait, it resumed after a long timeout... until it's hanging again after the intel8x0 driver... |
| 22:13.34 | beered | valdyn: how do i debug it? |
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| 22:13.41 | beered | adb: what other switch? |
| 22:13.51 | beered | adb: you mean network switch? |
| 22:14.00 | adb | yes |
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| 22:14.11 | valdyn | beered: something like "telnet server port", but you might have to do that for udp, which i dont know the tool for |
| 22:14.28 | valdyn | beered: or just watch the network traffic |
| 22:14.28 | Fare | it has started the userland, but is behaving weird. Maybe some interrupt timeout problem with the handdisk? |
| 22:14.32 | pickcoder | netcat! |
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| 22:14.53 | beered | forward host lookup failed: Unknown server error |
| 22:15.09 | Fare | or was it timing out on some network dhcp thingie? |
| 22:15.28 | beered | Fare: no, this is static public IP address. |
| 22:15.30 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: why does it have to be a loopback device? |
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| 22:16.01 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: because I can't get access to the unused space on the usb stick any other way |
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| 22:16.19 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: what do you mean with "unused" ? |
| 22:16.28 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: partitions are not required to store a filesystem |
| 22:16.53 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: the live image is a ISO 9660 and is about 450MBs on a 1Gbs stick |
| 22:17.06 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: whats the offset? |
| 22:17.15 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: what's that? |
| 22:17.27 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: is the image on a filesystem or written to the raw device ? |
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| 22:17.36 | jpinx-eeepc | written raw |
| 22:18.01 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: so why dont you "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdx /path/to/mountpoint |
| 22:18.08 | beered | I'm changing the network switch. |
| 22:18.11 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: ISO9660 |
| 22:18.13 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: so why dont you "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdx /path/to/mountpoint" |
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| 22:18.25 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: uh? |
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| 22:19.07 | valdyn | or maybe its isofs now |
| 22:19.08 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: when i boot the live image I would like to use the spare space on the stick to store some stuff which will be useable when I use the same stick to boot another machine |
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| 22:19.34 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: what do you want to store? |
| 22:19.57 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: mostly configs, maybe some data |
| 22:20.04 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: so a filesystem |
| 22:20.16 | beered | changed the network switch and its still not wrking. |
| 22:20.25 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: so create a partition that begins after the iso image |
| 22:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: how to find the "end" of the iso? |
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| 22:20.48 | beered | can ping an ip, can ssh by ip, but can't resolve anything. i know its ns issue on this client but can't exactly figure out what. the same ns works fine on other servers. |
| 22:21.15 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: thats the size of the iso image file + whatever is needed to fill the cdrom block |
| 22:21.39 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: i dont know iso9660 block sizes, so just add a few KB or look up the block size |
| 22:22.09 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: ok - I'll give it a whirl - I can always dd the image onto the stick again - thanks |
| 22:22.22 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: alright |
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| 22:22.42 | beered | Oh, look. I see this on my NS server: 'www.yahoo.com/A/IN' denied |
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| 22:22.48 | beered | from that IP |
| 22:22.53 | beered | the IP of my machine. |
| 22:22.55 | beered | aha! |
| 22:23.00 | beered | Now... what does this mean? |
| 22:23.01 | beered | :-) |
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| 22:23.38 | valdyn | beered: that your nameserver is configure to refuse lookups from specific ip(s) or subnet(s) |
| 22:23.53 | beered | valdyn: damn it to heck. thanks. |
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| 22:24.21 | shivraj_ | kde doesnt configure my network how do I fix this ? |
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| 22:24.53 | valdyn | shivraj_: "kde" is pretty vague |
| 22:25.01 | valdyn | shivraj_: are you talking about network-manager-kde ? |
| 22:25.30 | shivraj_ | yeah I have to manually configure the network with dhclient |
| 22:26.11 | valdyn | shivraj_: theres a readme shipped with network-manager that explains how specifically configure devices in /etc/network/interfaces are not touched by network-manager |
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| 22:31.44 | beered | valdyn: got it working! had an ACL on NS that was blocking this IP. woohoo. |
| 22:31.48 | johnp | what is the equivalent in debian for ares in XP ? |
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| 22:32.25 | johnp | is converting the girlfriend to debian ;) |
| 22:32.34 | dkr | johnp: you are more likely to get a meaningful answer by explaining what the software does, rather than naming it in a system most of us don't use |
| 22:32.47 | beered | JohnDoh: the girlfriend? how old ru? |
| 22:32.56 | jpinx | heh - yeaa - sorry dkr |
| 22:33.15 | jpinx | looking for a online music finder downoader |
| 22:33.28 | beered | jpinx: eharmony.com is awesome for that. |
| 22:33.30 | beered | hehe |
| 22:33.32 | jpinx | beered: age is no limit :p |
| 22:33.41 | beered | jpinx: you go man. |
| 22:33.43 | beered | :-) |
| 22:33.49 | jpinx | :) |
| 22:33.50 | shivraj_ | likes this kde tetris game |
| 22:34.07 | jpinx | beered: eharmony is a package? |
| 22:34.08 | dkr | jpinx: http://listen.grooveshark.com/ is corss platform. :) |
| 22:34.09 | valdyn | jpinx: that would be any large media player |
| 22:34.30 | beered | jpinx: no, that was a joke. :-) |
| 22:34.39 | jpinx | will have to study what ares doe a bit closer |
| 22:34.41 | beered | jpinx: but you do need a package if you want to use eharmony LOL |
| 22:35.06 | jpinx | it seems to find music, play it and download it |
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| 22:35.26 | valdyn | theres some huge media center thing based on the firefox gui toolkit |
| 22:35.31 | valdyn | i forgot that name |
| 22:35.34 | jpinx | according to genres styles, artists, etc |
| 22:35.49 | beered | thanks everybody for help and awesome time. see ya later peeps. Debian rules. :-) |
| 22:35.54 | valdyn | jpinx: songbird |
| 22:36.17 | jpinx | looks up songbird |
| 22:36.50 | valdyn | jpinx: thats a kitchen sink type application |
| 22:36.51 | jpinx | judd: versions songbird |
| 22:36.52 | judd | jpinx: songbird -- |
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| 22:37.15 | jpinx | valdyn: not there? |
| 22:37.21 | valdyn | jpinx: nope |
| 22:37.35 | valdyn | http://www.getsongbird.com/ |
| 22:37.46 | valdyn | jpinx: not the type of app debian devs would use i suppose |
| 22:37.46 | jpinx | valdyn: you mean a plugin thingy for ffx? |
| 22:37.52 | valdyn | jpinx: no |
| 22:38.02 | valdyn | jpinx: i mean its huge and should do everything |
| 22:38.05 | stoned_enkidu | hi devs. few days ago I switched to SMP (in real - HT) machine with variable CPU clock. My problem is, that I am getting desynced with clock - it is moving towards future half an hour daily. Any idea how can I fix that? thanks in advance |
| 22:38.24 | jpinx | ll stuff :) |
| 22:38.48 | valdyn | jpinx: but even rhythmbox has quite a few plugins and theres always amarok |
| 22:39.05 | valdyn | jpinx: ( plugins utilising last.fm etc ) |
| 22:39.38 | jpinx | thanks valdyn - that dd is nearly done so I'll come back to this later ;) |
| 22:40.01 | jpinx | I'd have to pay for last.fm from here :( |
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| 22:40.23 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: install ntp |
| 22:40.57 | stoned_enkidu | ntp fails - I got "intelligent" ISP |
| 22:41.09 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: intelligent? |
| 22:41.17 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: every windows computer uses ntp |
| 22:41.23 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: gnome does |
| 22:41.30 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: you should change isp |
| 22:41.31 | stoned_enkidu | yes, some services are blocked |
| 22:41.37 | AimHere | Blocking windows services sounds quite intelligent to me ;) |
| 22:41.41 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: try adjtimex |
| 22:42.38 | valdyn | selling "internet" while blocking is illegal here and should be everywhere ) |
| 22:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: heh - tell that to the makers of the great firewall of china ;) |
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| 22:43.31 | themill | valdyn: I'm quite happy for ISPs to block outgoing port 25... |
| 22:44.07 | valdyn | themill: they can block on abuse |
| 22:44.54 | pickcoder | jpinx: ares uses torrents and shoutcast |
| 22:44.58 | stoned_enkidu | Adjusting system time by 337.265 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done |
| 22:44.59 | jpinx-eeepc | who defines what is abuse? |
| 22:45.02 | themill | horse. door. stable. bolted. |
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| 22:45.31 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: cool -- I'll do the research tonight - thanks |
| 22:46.09 | stoned_enkidu | second question. I got xine on same machine, it plays FLACs 'choppy' |
| 22:46.23 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: not very hard to get that done, block anyone sending excessive amounts of mail and wait for him to complain ( if hes not complaining he doesnt know that hes a spammer and should be blocked ) |
| 22:47.07 | themill | valdyn: so why leave it open at all? |
| 22:47.11 | stoned_enkidu | valdyn, my ISP is banning for ten years for spamming |
| 22:47.35 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: for unintentionally spamming? |
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| 22:47.48 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: that would cost a huge amount of customers |
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| 22:48.07 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: ( I would guess at least ) |
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| 22:48.14 | stoned_enkidu | valdyn, its academics ISP |
| 22:48.22 | valdyn | stoned_enkidu: I see |
| 22:48.26 | stoned_enkidu | so it doesnt care about customers |
| 22:48.43 | valdyn | themill: its not in my contract, so they cant block me, period |
| 22:49.21 | stoned_enkidu | they are also banning ppl that were so unlucky, that someone used their IP without permission |
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| 22:53.21 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: ok dd'd the live image, it showed as 474MBs so I partitioned the back end with cfdisk and left 483MBs for the live image. |
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| 22:54.00 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: will the partition tale not screw the boot process / mbr / whatever ? |
| 22:54.26 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: hmm |
| 22:54.47 | stoned_enkidu | probably I just turn off SMP :/ |
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| 22:54.57 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: im not sure |
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| 22:55.28 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: nor me - I'm going to plug it into the other laptop to try it - brb |
| 22:55.33 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: in that case you could use the offset option of mount |
| 22:55.41 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: instead of using partitions |
| 22:56.19 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: but I need a filesystem to store stuff on? |
| 22:56.34 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: you can use offsets |
| 22:56.51 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: that means you can store the filesystem on sda starting at whatever offset |
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| 22:57.18 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: hmm - it's not booting like this:/ |
| 22:57.51 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: ok |
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| 22:58.03 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: stupid oversight by me |
| 22:58.27 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: np - what's the option? |
| 22:58.55 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll use cfdisk to delete the partition table and check it still boots |
| 22:59.37 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: losetup -o <offset> /dev/sda |
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| 23:00.09 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: is that after I have booted into the live image? |
| 23:00.13 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: you should need to dd again the first few bytes ofthe image |
| 23:00.20 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: 512 is sufficient |
| 23:00.39 | adb | wonder what's that offset |
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| 23:01.12 | valdyn | adb: amount of bytes to skip |
| 23:01.25 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: ok - I'll dd for a few minutes and see how it is |
| 23:01.31 | adb | thx, valdyn |
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| 23:01.57 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: after you losetup successfully you can mount the loop device like any device |
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| 23:02.28 | phix | hey, where is db_recover in libdb3 ? |
| 23:02.49 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: ok - heading for a test boot of the image first |
| 23:03.01 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: or you can use mount -o loop,offset=<offset> which does both in one command |
| 23:03.12 | abrotman | phix: are you sure it's in the package? dpkg -L foopkg .. will show the contents |
| 23:03.47 | phix | no idea, but I need to use that program though |
| 23:03.55 | phix | apt-cache search doesn't help me |
| 23:04.34 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: nah - b0rked, I'll need to dd the whole image again |
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| 23:04.51 | abrotman | !tell phix about apt-file |
| 23:05.13 | phix | abrotman: where can I get db_recover from? my db3 database in cyrus is completey rooted |
| 23:05.26 | abrotman | rooted? |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | corrupted? |
| 23:06.23 | themill | abrotman: .auian ... "stuffed" |
| 23:06.52 | abrotman | phix: that's what apt-file is for |
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| 23:07.54 | abrotman | phix: i don't see a binary called that .. i see a bdb_recover ... |
| 23:09.04 | jelly-home | db4.*-recover in debian |
| 23:10.48 | jelly-home | eg. db4.2-util: /usr/bin/db4.2_recover |
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| 23:17.31 | phix | abrotman: is that the same thing? |
| 23:17.43 | phix | abrotman: libdb is berkeley db? |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | phix: jelly-home pointed you in the right direction |
| 23:18.13 | phix | hmmm where the hell is db_recover |
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| 23:18.22 | phix | jelly-home? |
| 23:18.37 | abrotman | phix: see he said db#.#_recover .. such as db4.2_recover |
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| 23:19.12 | phix | abrotman: yes but I am using db version 3.2.something |
| 23:19.15 | phix | (well cyrus21 does_ |
| 23:19.29 | phix | won't I break things if I use a higher version db on lower version files? |
| 23:19.34 | Datax | hi all, I'm having issues with a vserver I just created. it's a debian lenny amd64 guest running on a debian lenny amd64 host. The locales are all broken and regenerating them doesn't change anything :/ |
| 23:19.58 | phix | I hate cyrus using libdb, it always seems to break |
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| 23:21.19 | phix | well that answers that --> db_recover: Program version 4.2 doesn't match environment version |
| 23:21.22 | phix | db_recover: Ignoring log file: db/log.0000000012: unreadable log version 3 |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | which version of debian is this ? |
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| 23:23.42 | phix | abrotman: lenny |
| 23:23.57 | phix | ok I see db4.2-util but no db3.2-util :( |
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| 23:25.58 | stoned_enkidu | ok it seems that I have to poke kernel developers - none of RTC clocks work properly |
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| 23:28.37 | nixbox | i have installed a base debain system using debootstrap, but when i do "tasksel install desktop" or even standard, it gets stuck, just says "please wait" and does not do anything, how can i know if something is going on behind the scenes? |
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| 23:29.22 | themill | nixbox: it's probably stuck waiting for you to type "yes" at a warning about unauthenticated packages |
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| 23:29.47 | nixbox | themill, so how do i type yes when i only see an ncurses interface? |
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| 23:30.37 | themill | there's no way that I know of |
| 23:30.42 | nixbox | :P |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | or it's downloading ? |
| 23:31.14 | nixbox | abrotman, i dont think it is |
| 23:31.26 | nixbox | when i chroot using another shell |
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| 23:31.34 | nixbox | there are no new files in /var/cache/apt |
| 23:32.04 | phix | abrotman: this is bs, there is no db3-util |
| 23:32.05 | phix | why not? |
| 23:32.16 | phix | there is a db4.2-util |
| 23:32.22 | phix | and above, why not fpr version 3? |
| 23:32.38 | abrotman | phix: which version of cyrus common are you using ? |
| 23:34.42 | nixbox | to top things off, tasksel has now locked things so that i cannout even do an apt-get :P |
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| 23:34.50 | nixbox | is there a way to remove the lock |
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| 23:36.18 | tczern_ | Hi Debians, is this the correct command if I changed my graphic card: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 23:37.06 | nixbox | ok got it, just deleted the lock file :P |
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| 23:37.47 | lru | did font sizes change in the last Debian Lenny update? |
| 23:38.15 | lru | I just rebooted and now my fluxbox window fonts and mozilla fonts are micro sized |
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| 23:39.06 | adb | lru, resolution is the same as before ? |
| 23:39.12 | lru | yep |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | tczern_: which version of debian ? |
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| 23:39.37 | lru | windows are in the same places, but the window frames are smaller, due to smaller fonts |
| 23:39.39 | yareckon | gnite all |
| 23:40.13 | tczern_ | etch |
| 23:40.31 | nixbox | simple workaround, for each p in `tasksel --task-packages` do; apt-get install $p; done |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | tczern_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg .. and consider upgrading to lenny |
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| 23:40.46 | abrotman | nixbox: or even better ... skip tasksel altogether |
| 23:42.01 | tczern_ | actually, I moving the disk to a different computer. I was told everything else should still work. |
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| 23:42.35 | abrotman | what is the video card in the new computer ? |
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| 23:43.26 | tczern_ | ATI X1800, but I may get an Nvidia 9800GT. a bit indecisive at this point :\ |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | so you don't have it yet? |
| 23:43.46 | tczern_ | I do have the ATI card |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | at any rate .. i doubt the fglrx/nvidia binary crap in etch would support that.. you'd have to try the vendor method |
| 23:44.29 | tczern_ | so, my chance to mess the whole thing up are rather high? |
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| 23:45.46 | abrotman | tczern_: the vesa driver should at least work (though it owuld look awful) |
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| 23:47.39 | eyeris | I am running squeeze/amd64. totem is able to play WMV files but VLC displays them incorrectly (skewed, noising, slanted). I am using the debian-multimedia.org repos. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:47.45 | nsadmin | tczern_: out of idle curiousity... if you were to get the nvidia card, would you return the ati card? do you still have that option? |
| 23:48.30 | tczern_ | nah, I had this computer for some time now. |
| 23:48.34 | nsadmin | eyeris: you're wasting time dealing with vlc when totem works? |
| 23:49.15 | eyeris | nsadmin totem gets confused about which speakers to play audio through -- I have an internal sound card and a USB headset. |
| 23:49.40 | eyeris | nsadmin, also, totem's timeline control is very annoying -- too jumping, not high enough resolution |
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| 23:50.38 | nsadmin | tczern_: oh ok... I'd probably suggest doing any and every thing you can with the ati card before you consider the other card... another thing you should do before buying the nv card is work out exactly what driver to use, how well it works and make sure it's going to work with all OSes you're running on that box |
| 23:51.27 | tczern_ | the ati card isn't bad at all, it is noisy when it takes off, like a lawn mower! |
| 23:51.42 | nsadmin | it flies?! |
| 23:51.54 | nsadmin | can it land itself? |
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| 23:52.37 | nsadmin | seriously... so it's noisy... probably not much to be done there |
| 23:52.57 | eyeris | Hrm, apparently I shouldn't use the debian-multimedia.org repos. Removing them and then reinstalling vlc and company fixed it |
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| 23:54.57 | lru | how would I go about installing an older version of xorg and libicu38? |
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| 23:56.13 | nsadmin | lru: generally the version is set... but sometimes more than one version is available, so it depends on what you have now and what version of debian you're running |
| 23:56.46 | lru | nsadmin: I'm running Lenny with full updates... I want to back one or two versions to see if that fixes my font problems |
| 23:57.39 | nsadmin | ok, what versions of xorg are available for lenny? what version do you have now? are you talking about client or server? client libs? server libs? |
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| 23:57.58 | nsadmin | and zooming out all the way... |
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| 23:58.07 | nsadmin | what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 23:58.58 | nsadmin | oh, fix your font problems |
| 23:59.12 | nsadmin | you might describe your font problem exactly |