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| 00:00.11 | justntime | fnordperfect: thanks, that's what I was looking for |
| 00:00.11 | fnordperfect | justntime: mount none /mountpoint/of/your/choice -o size=<how-much-memory> |
| 00:00.52 | fnordperfect | justntime: oh, yeah, and -t tmpfs of course |
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| 00:04.31 | justntime | fnordperfect: thanks. hopefully it will save me a bit of time rather than reading a file from the hard drive repeatedly |
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| 00:06.31 | maddash | I want to be able to type Romanian diacritics on my pc101 keyboard. can someone please please PLEASE point me in the right direction? |
| 00:06.32 | maddash | PLEASE? |
| 00:07.19 | ciderpunx | http://bucovina.chem.tue.nl/tastatura/index-en.htm |
| 00:08.21 | maddash | ciderpunx: thank you, sir |
| 00:08.31 | ciderpunx | maddash np |
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| 00:26.44 | maddash | hi, sorry to be such a pest again, but is it possible to switch between two keyboard layouts with the Caps Lock key? |
| 00:27.47 | Dassu | maddash: are you using gnome ? |
| 00:27.51 | maddash | Dassu: no |
| 00:28.23 | Dassu | Well. I still guess that if you figure out how to make a quick key and then make it to run a script to change the layout. Why not ? |
| 00:28.23 | adb | ?i de ce nu ? |
| 00:28.50 | maddash | adb: pentru ca nu imi place |
| 00:29.05 | maddash | Dassu: hey, great idea, thanks |
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| 00:32.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a keyboard layout flamewar |
| 00:32.23 | dpkg | Dvorak rules! |
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| 00:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, I have the windows key change it... |
| 00:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps capsLock would indeed be better |
| 00:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | the LEFT windows key, actually |
| 00:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I occasionally hit it and then my keyboard is ... greek (which I thought would be great for maths stuff) |
| 00:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, Section "InputDevice" |
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| 00:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, Option "XkbLayout" "us(altgr-intl),gr" <- choose your different layouts here |
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| 00:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, Option "XkbOptions" "compose:rwin,grp:lwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll" |
| 00:36.16 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: whoa, hey, thanks! |
| 00:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can just change compose to capslock? |
| 00:36.33 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: and this works even with the new X11/xorg.conf/hal mess? |
| 00:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea what it works with or not, actually |
| 00:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | the lines are pasted are from xorg.conf |
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| 00:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's independent of window manager etc, works directly from Xorg |
| 00:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the WM could catch the key... |
| 00:37.58 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, I don't have any alt-gr key on my laptop keyboard. so would my version be, """ Option "XkbLayout" "us,ro" """ ? |
| 00:38.24 | maddash | (note use of python's heredoc quotes :) ) |
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| 00:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is not alt-gr, it's "lwin"! |
| 00:38.53 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't get it, what is "compose" in your xkboptions line? |
| 00:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | compose:rwin makes the right windows key a "compose key" |
| 00:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !compose |
| 00:39.13 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÃô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 00:39.16 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, my questino really was: What is a compose key? |
| 00:39.17 | maddash | ah |
| 00:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | US kbd layout sucks in some regards |
| 00:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | compose key is great for characters you need, but not so often |
| 00:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | like, I type compose-^0 and I get ° |
| 00:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or I can type compose-ss and get à |
| 00:40.42 | maddash | ok, let me try this out |
| 00:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I should probably make a factoid from that |
| 00:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I forgot the exact meaning of some of it |
| 00:41.26 | maddash | I've just finished hacking together a new keyboard layout file in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/, and I've tested that it works fine by using setxkbmap |
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| 00:41.56 | maddash | i only need an easy way to setxkbmap {hacked_ro,us} with my capslock |
| 00:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | compose:rwin seems pretty clear, but I am not anymore sure what "grp:lwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll" is |
| 00:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the lwin_toggle part says that lwin toggles, the grp_led thing means I get the scroll-lock indicating the toggle |
| 00:43.16 | maddash | hmm, i should probably add ctrl:nocaps first |
| 00:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the syntax remains a bit of a mystery... |
| 00:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially the use of underscore as a separator is suspicious |
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| 00:44.11 | maddash | ok, I've got: Option "XkbLayout" "us,ro"Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,compose:capslock" |
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| 00:44.18 | maddash | does that look alright? |
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| 00:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess this here describes ithttp://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html |
| 00:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl:nocaps? |
| 00:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the 2nd part means you made capslock compose... |
| 00:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | compose key does NOT switch between different layouts |
| 00:45.19 | maddash | oops |
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| 00:45.30 | maddash | doh. |
| 00:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | my config does two different things - define a compose key and make lwin switch between layouts |
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| 00:45.48 | maddash | let me re-read your config lines |
| 00:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | read through http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html |
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| 00:46.34 | maddash | reeading... |
| 00:47.11 | maddash | okay, so what I really want isn't compose:capslock, but rather grp:capslock_toggle |
| 00:47.56 | maddash | ok, restarting X |
| 00:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is toggle |
| 00:49.48 | kafi | hello, I have a www directory in home and I'd like new files to be created as 644 and new directories to be created as 755, so that apache will open them properly |
| 00:50.07 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, uh...seriously? |
| 00:50.13 | kafi | #apache sent me here, saying it was something with umask but that the discussion was inappropriate for their channel. what should I do? |
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| 00:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob_, seriously... thats numlock? |
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| 00:51.32 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, "To alternate between two or more electronic, mechanical, or computer-related options, usually by the operation of a single switch or keystroke" |
| 00:51.38 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, capslock on...capslock off |
| 00:51.58 | markybob_ | you should watch karate kid |
| 00:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | capslock is toggle? |
| 00:52.23 | maddash | no luck, folks...actually, I rather expected this, because xorg.conf's InputDevice section isn't being used anymore (in favor of the freakin' hal) |
| 00:52.24 | markybob_ | jesus. are you drunk? |
| 00:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no :( |
| 00:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | would being drunk help? |
| 00:53.13 | kafi | toggle, think light switch :) |
| 00:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the toggle in that xorg excerpt from the link I pasted |
| 00:53.50 | maddash | markybob_: wait, the stuff I posted before with "grp:capslock_toggle" won't work? |
| 00:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know the *word* toggle, but obviously it's a distinct key |
| 00:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, you didn't look carefully at the url I pasted! |
| 00:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at all |
| 00:54.43 | Tramp | kafi: (1) created by what? (2) what is it now? |
| 00:54.44 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: i did, actually...and they used alt_shift_toggle |
| 00:55.09 | maddash | upgrading xserver-xorg was the worst decision I've made |
| 00:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, all right... toggle isn't a key, it's their keyword |
| 00:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, you didn't read carefully, though else you'd have seen you don't need to restart X to test it |
| 00:56.08 | kafi | Tramp: by anything, namely samba and anything running under my user |
| 00:56.30 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: :P setxkbmap, not setxkmap |
| 00:56.36 | maddash | (in your link) |
| 00:56.57 | kafi | Tramp: the problem I'm having is that apache cannot read new files at all in the /home/dsflkj/www directory |
| 00:56.58 | Tramp | kafi: yo can't use the umask to control that. The application decides, how files/dirs are created. The umask only "removes" from that but cannot "add" any rights |
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| 00:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash, I didn't *make* that page, I just googled it up to give you some reference |
| 00:58.16 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, and capslocks_toggle doesn't work, but lctrl_toggle does. is there a list of symbols that actually work? |
| 00:58.30 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, sorry about that, then |
| 00:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | capslock instead of capslocks? |
| 00:58.41 | Tramp | kafi: you can set the umask for the shell but you'd have to check the documentation for the individual program to see, if you can configure its settings |
| 00:59.57 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, tried that too: setxkbmap -layout "us,testro" -option "grp:capslock_toggle" |
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| 01:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, how about those names? The ones I see seem to be correct http://autohotkey.free.fr/docs/commands/Send.htm |
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| 01:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | CapsLock? |
| 01:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | although capitalization shouldn't be an issue |
| 01:00.45 | kafi | Tramp: Alright, after setting umask to 000 it appears the problem only happens when I create a file over samba. I'll check that out |
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| 01:01.50 | maddash | crap, now my capslock key doesn't work anymore, after that first "ctrl:nocaps" |
| 01:02.37 | Tramp | kafi: on a default debian you don't have to set umask to 000, and unless your shell is patched, with 000 you get 666 for files and 777 for dirs. |
| 01:02.57 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, it was "caps_toggle" :D |
| 01:03.09 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: hint hint: "ctrl:noCAPS" |
| 01:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, I think I even knew that |
| 01:03.14 | maddash | yay! |
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| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 01:03.37 | Tramp | kafi: the default should be, what you wanted (644/755 with umask 022). If that was not the case, something was wrong in the first place |
| 01:03.37 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for being my yoda |
| 01:03.57 | kafi | Tramp: Yeah I think it just clicked, the problem was samba all along |
| 01:04.22 | kafi | Tramp: In the process I accidentally 755'd all my home dirs lol. what should I set it back to? |
| 01:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yoda in ways convoluted speaks! |
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| 01:05.20 | _Trinity_ | who ever didn't take care that the galeon deps uninstall when uninstalling galeon shouldbe shot. Uff! 81 deps left lying around when galeon is uninstalled?! |
| 01:05.27 | maddash | Åhouldn'Å£ Å£hÄÅ£ be, "în convoluÅ£ed wÄyÅ yodÄ ÅpeÄkÅ"? |
| 01:05.30 | maddash | oops |
| 01:05.35 | Tramp | kafi: well, 755 for home-directories is fine (you may want 750) - I'm not sure what the default is |
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| 01:06.34 | twowordz | hello, I am trying to move a system over to a new raid array. I have everything configured in the new system I chrooted into it but I can figure my grub setup... |
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| 01:07.39 | twowordz | I have a raid on 2x 1.5 TB software which I see as sda and sdb, my new raid array is on an adaptec card as sdc, hd2 doesnt work for grub... how to I figure how what to use? |
| 01:08.05 | _Trinity_ | no wonder galeon was forked |
| 01:08.09 | twowordz | everything has been rsync'd and the fstab is configured with UUID |
| 01:08.27 | twowordz | Im doing my stuff from an ubuntu live cd |
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| 01:11.12 | markybob_ | twowordz, you're in the wrong place |
| 01:11.26 | twowordz | alright... where should I go? |
| 01:11.43 | markybob_ | ubuntu live cd...uh...probably #ubuntu |
| 01:12.12 | twowordz | well, it has nothing to do with ubuntu |
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| 01:12.19 | kafi | lol, wont get much help in there with all of the "how do I compiz???" |
| 01:12.33 | markybob_ | twowordz, then use a debian live cd |
| 01:13.10 | twowordz | markybob, what would it change? I just happen to have a ubuntu cd here... |
| 01:13.27 | markybob_ | yada yada yada |
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| 01:13.51 | xerophyte | How can i use the ssh -D port remote server browse the web using the remote server.. when i do that and tcpdump firefox does not making any connection what i am doing it wrong |
| 01:14.30 | twowordz | markybob, is that your way of saying you dont know the answer to my question? |
| 01:14.38 | markybob_ | hates ubuntu's default use of uuid |
| 01:15.14 | markybob_ | twowordz, my way of telling you that your problem wouldnt happen in debian. thus not our problem, thus you should move on |
| 01:15.22 | Tramp | xerophyte: (1) if you run Debian, you don't have Firefox (2) configure Socks4 proxy in your Browser |
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| 01:16.09 | twowordz | markybob, oh yes it would happen in Debian because it is unrelated to UUID, my issue is with grub |
| 01:16.28 | twowordz | i'll figure it out, thanks |
| 01:16.40 | xerophyte | Tramp: i mean the iceweacel |
| 01:16.54 | Tramp | yeah. (2) applies |
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| 01:18.34 | xerophyte | Tramp: i did configure the socks4 or socks5 proxy its nto working |
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| 01:20.03 | Tramp | xerophyte: unconfigure all other proxies |
| 01:20.44 | xeon-enouf | 17:15 * markybob_ hates ubuntu's default use of uuid <--why? |
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| 01:21.43 | markybob_ | xeon-enouf, mostly out of an illogical dislike for all things new. same reason i use apt-get instead of aptitude still :P |
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| 01:22.37 | Eioo | debian installation problems anyone around? |
| 01:23.17 | xerophyte | Tramp: that seems to work |
| 01:23.27 | Xenguy_ | Eioo: always folks around, just ask |
| 01:23.38 | Tramp | really. |
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| 01:24.05 | Eioo | ok the graphical install didnt work out so I went ahead and did a console installation. everything went smoothly |
| 01:24.14 | Tramp | I take it as your way of saying "Thanks Tramp for pointing me to thissolution" |
| 01:24.56 | Eioo | didnt notice any hardware problems either... apart from the aperture error because my memory is larger than 4GB.. the problem is.. it loads into X |
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| 01:25.17 | Eioo | and I am using an LCD TV screen instead a normal computer monitor |
| 01:25.40 | Eioo | and the mode is not supported... so how may I change resolution mode at startup? |
| 01:25.50 | iceroot | the unstablest/newest debian is sid? |
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| 01:27.02 | Xenguy_ | iceroot: always |
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| 01:27.36 | Xenguy_ | !resolution |
| 01:27.37 | dpkg | hmm... resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus or <xrandr> to change it. See also man xorg.conf, <hwinfo> and <drxx>. |
| 01:27.45 | iceroot | Xenguy_: thank you |
| 01:28.01 | Xenguy | iceroot: yw |
| 01:28.14 | Xenguy | hrm |
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| 01:28.31 | Eioo | dpkg: I need to break the startup chain and fall back into a shell... I'll xconf afterwards... how do I break the startup chain though? |
| 01:28.33 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Eioo |
| 01:28.34 | iceroot | and sid is using upstart? |
| 01:28.58 | Eioo | lol |
| 01:29.06 | iceroot | or only ubuntu karmic? |
| 01:29.17 | Eioo | ctrl + x? |
| 01:29.52 | markybob_ | iceroot, upstart is in sid, but not default |
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| 01:30.16 | Eioo | its almost 5 in the morning here, I haven't used linux for 2 years... it really gives a headache having to think at this time |
| 01:30.16 | iceroot | markybob_: ah ok, thanks then i will have a look at it |
| 01:30.16 | Xenguy | !xorg config lenny |
| 01:30.16 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 01:31.01 | Xenguy | hrm, different from what it used to be (dpkg reconfigure ...) |
| 01:31.09 | Eioo | ok |
| 01:31.17 | Eioo | u still didnt understand the problem... |
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| 01:31.45 | Xenguy | Eioo: if you are using a TV monitor or something, I have no idea, maybe someone else does... |
| 01:32.03 | Xenguy | in any case, I have to jet, but will bbl |
| 01:32.16 | Eioo | the problem is: the x server loads FINE... but it loads into a resolution not supported by my monitor. it loads 1208x1024 but I want it to load 1600x1200 to work |
| 01:32.43 | Eioo | the monitor is black I can not see. sooooo\ |
| 01:33.03 | Eioo | baaaaah gibberish... I all go fix it for the sake of my manhood pride |
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| 01:42.39 | linuxguy | whhooa holy muther f@cker what the hells happened here............fresh install of lenny with an nvidia card and max res is 680x480! |
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| 01:43.05 | markybob_ | linuxguy, that's called normal. |
| 01:43.28 | linuxguy | markybob_, any ideas how to correct this pls? |
| 01:43.39 | markybob_ | linuxguy, you install nvidia binary drivers |
| 01:43.54 | linuxguy | markybob_, i have |
| 01:44.33 | markybob_ | linuxguy, and did you configure xorg? /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 01:47.36 | Jenni04 | hello, for some reason, under x window when I hit just one char, it shows up two - three chars like 'f' becomes 'fff' and I am unable to login in to check it. Is there any one exp'ed this before ? |
| 01:47.42 | linuxguy | markybob_, i used to have an ati card in but this card is slightly newer i used the smxi script cos it worjed with the ati card |
| 01:48.08 | markybob_ | linuxguy, you should've stuck with ati. radeonhd has made great improvement |
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| 01:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jenni04, too fast repeat rate? |
| 01:48.58 | linuxguy | markybob_, it was just a radeon card and yes i know they are catching up |
| 01:49.01 | Jenni04 | CutMeOwnThroat, I dont think I set that option, just swiched a keyboard |
| 01:49.11 | Jenni04 | *switch* |
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| 02:01.32 | MadMuppet | Im trying to mount my usb dvd drive .. I have been looking at the forums and I think I need to edit the /etc/fstab file to include the external dvd .. how do I find out what it is called so I can edit /etc/fstab? |
| 02:01.50 | linuxguy | markybob_, it loks like ive got somewhere from what the bot said |
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| 02:04.19 | markybob_ | linuxguy, that's the general idea :P |
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| 02:04.58 | Mariano | !talking 0 |
| 02:08.48 | MadMuppet | cd |
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| 02:12.52 | linuxguy | markybob_, this nvidia card is crap to ther ati card gonna reinstall debian lenny tommorow now with the ati card installed! |
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| 02:16.05 | lolufail | hi |
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| 02:17.51 | rob- | whenever I try any run any java apps (I installed the JRE from Sun), I get the error "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:". Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:18.07 | fbc-mx | How do revert back to my original master and main.cf in postfix? |
| 02:18.29 | markybob_ | fbc-mx, you purge it and reinstall |
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| 02:18.30 | fbc-mx | I tried dpkg-reconfigure but it didn't work.. what else can I try |
| 02:18.38 | Mariano | !quit |
| 02:18.39 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 02:18.47 | Mariano | Not for what I'm up to ;) |
| 02:19.15 | fbc-mx | markybob_, seriously??? there is another way to do it. I know there it... I just can't remember |
| 02:19.49 | markybob_ | ...what the hell would be the difference? |
| 02:19.53 | fbc-mx | markybob_, extracting a file from a package |
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| 02:20.47 | fbc-mx | markybob_, there is some command that if you specificy the name of the file it will extract and install a new one if you specify the file path and package name |
| 02:21.26 | fbc-mx | markybob_, the difference is that you won't be forced to uninstall the other packages that depend on postfix just to fix postfix |
| 02:21.30 | markybob_ | G_O_D1, i need some drugs, please. this channel is making me want to kill myself |
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| 02:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob_, so with "drugs" you mean something like cyanide? |
| 02:23.09 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, numbing percocet would be good, too :P |
| 02:23.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hits markybob_ over the head with a lead pipe. |
| 02:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | try that for numbing :-P |
| 02:24.05 | fbc-mx | markybob_, when I type "apt-get remove --purge postfix" it wants to remove 7 other programs that are working fine. |
| 02:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he's busy being unconscious right now |
| 02:25.45 | jamon | unconscionable |
| 02:26.06 | markybob_ | puff puff give |
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| 02:46.13 | MercedesBenz | is debian dead? |
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| 03:16.53 | `[007aLinux] | I want to unsubscribe this debian-user-digest@lists.debian.org . How would i do this? |
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| 03:17.20 | `[007aLinux] | Anyone here? |
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| 03:17.49 | Xenguy | `[007aLinux]: it's been 1 minute |
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| 03:18.38 | pickcoder | `[007aLinux]: use the mailing list page? |
| 03:18.45 | Xenguy | `[007aLinux]: go to the debian.org web site and read the instructions for unsubscribing from a list? |
| 03:19.05 | pickcoder | there's even a link called "unsubscribe" |
| 03:19.14 | Xenguy | gasps... |
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| 03:23.24 | `[007aLinux] | Ok. |
| 03:23.49 | `[007aLinux] | Noone talks here. |
| 03:24.01 | lordlicorice | did you say something I wasnt listening |
| 03:24.29 | Vasistha | `[007aLinux]: weekend evenings are usually pretty quiet. whodathunk many of these people actually have lives. |
| 03:24.38 | catsup | lies |
| 03:24.49 | Vasistha | catsup: ah, see, but you are here *now* |
| 03:25.14 | Xenguy | never makes a sound (except for typing) |
| 03:25.36 | bugjar | catsup : forget the 'v' there? |
| 03:25.43 | lordlicorice | hah |
| 03:25.52 | catsup | um no |
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| 03:28.28 | boxxertrumps | hmmm, i'm looking for a program that i can use to sync specific folders/files to another directory... basically to easily change what part of my music library is stored on my media player |
| 03:28.37 | pickcoder | I guess he didn't have a Debian problem... |
| 03:29.13 | boxxertrumps | i haven't been able to find any media management program that manages stuff in removable media |
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| 03:30.33 | Vasistha | boxxertrumps: are you looking for a gui or cli program? |
| 03:30.41 | pickcoder | Vasistha: this isn't exactly a chatterbox room in general.. if you get too off-topic you run the risk of being stoned for channel clutter |
| 03:30.58 | boxxertrumps | Vasistha: gui, i was thinking a checkbox tree setup or something |
| 03:31.06 | lordlicorice | boxxertrumps: have you looked at banshee |
| 03:31.14 | boxxertrumps | lordlicorice: no. |
| 03:31.30 | boxxertrumps | lordlicorice: now yes |
| 03:31.35 | boxxertrumps | i think this might work |
| 03:31.50 | Xenguy | remembers when #debian scrolled so fast you could barely, if even, keep up... |
| 03:31.59 | boxxertrumps | huge ammount of deps though |
| 03:32.06 | lordlicorice | depends on gnome and mono |
| 03:32.20 | Xenguy | those were the days my friend |
| 03:32.28 | liable | Xenguy: thats because most of it was insults ;) |
| 03:32.33 | pickcoder | Xenguy: I've been here a while, but not that long |
| 03:32.34 | Xenguy | hahah |
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| 03:33.00 | boxxertrumps | is liable to call liable names now.. |
| 03:33.02 | Xenguy | liable: let's just say it was lively (and livlier) |
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| 03:33.32 | Xenguy | boxxertrumps: just don't spread any libel |
| 03:33.32 | liable | Xenguy: i recall. i havent been here as long as some, but i remember the wild west days |
| 03:33.33 | lordlicorice | boxxertrumps: look at rhythmbox too |
| 03:33.44 | pickcoder | liable: did you have a horse too? |
| 03:33.57 | liable | pickcoder: nope, a parrot |
| 03:34.25 | pickcoder | ah. that makes sense |
| 03:34.35 | Vasistha | pickcoder: sorry -- I've spent a lot of time here in the past helping people out, as well as enjoying a social moment. have things shifted in the last year such that a little socializing during a quiet spell is frowned upon? or are you just sending a warning to someone you don't recognize as a channel regular? |
| 03:35.04 | pickcoder | Vasistha: it depends on who's here... |
| 03:35.17 | bipolar | checks his nickserv registration date |
| 03:35.19 | pickcoder | and if they're had their caffeine and donuts |
| 03:35.29 | bipolar | holy crap... over 8 years ago |
| 03:35.37 | bipolar | time flys |
| 03:35.52 | liable | flies even |
| 03:35.53 | bugjar | bipolar : time flies like the wind.... |
| 03:36.02 | Xenguy | bipolar: how do you check that? |
| 03:36.04 | bugjar | bipolar : fruit flies like the banaas |
| 03:36.06 | pickcoder | wow.. only 3 for me, but I didn't register my nick for some time |
| 03:36.20 | pickcoder | finally decided to get a cloak |
| 03:36.20 | Xenguy | bugjar: time flies like an arrow |
| 03:36.34 | bipolar | Xenguy: /msg nickserv info |
| 03:36.42 | Vasistha | or /ns info |
| 03:36.55 | bugjar | Xenguy : the fruit flies still like the bananas |
| 03:37.01 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 03:37.19 | bipolar | Vasistha: see.... learn something every day :) |
| 03:37.53 | linuxguy | fruit flies like beer to :) |
| 03:38.04 | liable | so does liable |
| 03:38.14 | linuxguy | and me |
| 03:38.23 | Vasistha | bipolar: I remember after a several-hour hostile gnaa takeover, we found out that the crackers had taken over the "nickserv" nick, and that it is safer to use /ns than /msg nickserv |
| 03:38.27 | Xenguy | loooooove the beer |
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| 03:38.43 | bipolar | Vasistha: wow |
| 03:38.58 | bipolar | just.... wow |
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| 03:39.27 | pickcoder | it's gotta be 6 years or longer... I was running Woody at the time and was upgrading to Sarge. |
| 03:39.50 | boxxertrumps | plays around with barcode |
| 03:40.07 | pickcoder | don't stare too long, your eyes will melt together |
| 03:40.18 | Vasistha | man, I wish I knew about irc when I attempted to install woody... I failed. failed, failed. So I used mepis a while until I learned enough to install sarge when it came out. |
| 03:40.31 | Xenguy | decides to watch an episode of The Wire... |
| 03:40.55 | linuxguy | >>had my nick and pc taken a few yrs back while it was acting as chat server caused havoc in MF.even though i was out of the country devs an ops wouldnt believe it wasnt me |
| 03:41.23 | Xenguy | I wuz framed! |
| 03:41.34 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 03:41.47 | lordlicorice | I wish I knew about woody when it was supported |
| 03:41.50 | lordlicorice | puns aplenty |
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| 03:42.11 | pickcoder | support your woody? |
| 03:42.26 | zsoc | Does anyone know the last version of debian that used libc 2.5? |
| 03:42.34 | pickcoder | even better.. support squeeze? |
| 03:42.35 | beardy | People were smarter then. I don't recall many "I have a problem with my woody." People knew how to ask questions. |
| 03:42.57 | catsup | what's the difference between lvm and kvm? |
| 03:42.57 | pickcoder | beardy: that's because Ubuntu didn't exist IIRC |
| 03:43.07 | beardy | pickcoder: That's right. |
| 03:43.22 | beardy | catsup: They are two different acronyms. |
| 03:43.45 | pickcoder | and the first letter is not the same |
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| 03:43.56 | beardy | catsup: kvm was stolen by something recently, but it used to mean Keyboard Bideo Mouse, then something came and could not think of its own acronym and made a shit of things. |
| 03:44.04 | beardy | Vide* |
| 03:44.06 | boxxertrumps | i think banshee crashed |
| 03:44.16 | snagnever | hey |
| 03:44.26 | boxxertrumps | HEY! |
| 03:44.26 | beardy | It is Ksomething virtual machine now, too. |
| 03:44.31 | catsup | which one is more secure? |
| 03:44.31 | beardy | HEY!! |
| 03:44.35 | beardy | What? |
| 03:44.39 | boxxertrumps | YOU! |
| 03:44.47 | beardy | !lvm |
| 03:44.47 | dpkg | methinks lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:44.49 | beardy | !kvm |
| 03:44.49 | linuxguy | what i couldnt get them to undersatnd was the fact that roughly 2000ppl had same ip adress as me .i knew the hacker but the tossers at Mindforge accused me of lying and based the fact i had a registered co in the uk when in fact it was closed and i was running a bar in spain! |
| 03:44.50 | dpkg | [kvm] kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also alsk me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 03:45.10 | beardy | Two different things, can't ask that. Try again? |
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| 03:46.04 | beardy | linuxguy: Drunk, idiot or bot? |
| 03:46.09 | McL0VIN | vnc on my lenny quit working and i don't know why :( |
| 03:46.36 | fbc-mx | aah finally got my postfix working again... markybob_ tried to commit suicide trying to help me. |
| 03:46.50 | snagnever | so |
| 03:47.01 | snagnever | i'm trying to install debian from usb-stick |
| 03:47.18 | pickcoder | fbc-mx: there is also #postfix |
| 03:47.20 | Vasistha | McL0VIN: I always had trouble with vnc, the thing would constantly seize up and I would have to reconnect |
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| 03:47.33 | Vasistha | snagnever: how far ya get? |
| 03:47.36 | snagnever | but i think that something is going wrong when i zcat the image to the /dev/sdb |
| 03:47.45 | snagnever | i mean, it all goes right; |
| 03:47.52 | snagnever | i can mount and i can copy the .iso there |
| 03:47.56 | fbc-mx | pickcoder, it was actualy my sasl wasn't running and had a problem |
| 03:48.11 | Vasistha | snagnever: are you certain the installation computer can boot from usb? |
| 03:48.22 | pickcoder | the chroot is the #1 cause of issues with that |
| 03:48.51 | pickcoder | #2 cause is not reading the SASL_README page on the postfix web site |
| 03:48.57 | snagnever | but it's not booting; and when i do 'fdisk /dev/sdb' it shows a lot of error, stuff like "This doesnt look like a partition table" |
| 03:49.09 | linuxguy | beardy what do you mean? |
| 03:49.16 | snagnever | Vasistha yes, i'm trying to boot on vmware before rebooting my pc |
| 03:49.27 | linuxguy | >has anyone tried swiftfox here? |
| 03:49.31 | pickcoder | snagnever: why would it have a partition? |
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| 03:50.26 | snagnever | well, actually i was trying to find out why it's not booting since i've done everything right :X |
| 03:50.27 | pickcoder | snagnever: did you try using dd to write the image file to the raw device? |
| 03:50.43 | mrbigglezworth | run fdisk -l |
| 03:50.51 | snagnever | no, i just did what they describe as "easy way" |
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| 03:50.55 | snagnever | in the manual |
| 03:51.11 | pickcoder | the one from Sarge? |
| 03:51.13 | smacnay | wow, updates in sid has been very quiet in the last 24 hours |
| 03:51.18 | snagnever | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 03:51.25 | Vasistha | snagnever: hmm.. have you tried actually rebooting and see if it works in the real world scenario (i.e. perhaps there's some vmware trouble that would disappear when you actually just try it?) |
| 03:51.37 | snagnever | pickcoder lenny, i believe... i'm new to debian, that's my first try |
| 03:52.06 | snagnever | pickcoder http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en <- "the easy way" |
| 03:52.08 | McL0VIN | Vasistha: it was working fine thu, not it wont connect :) |
| 03:52.28 | pickcoder | ah.. ok |
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| 03:52.59 | McL0VIN | how can i check if vnc server is still running |
| 03:53.20 | linuxguy | beardy, what do you mean pls with last statement? |
| 03:54.31 | pickcoder | snagnever: can you mount the raw device as noted in the instructions? |
| 03:54.57 | snagnever | yes |
| 03:55.01 | snagnever | i've mounted and i've copied the iso |
| 03:55.20 | snagnever | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:55.52 | pickcoder | how large is the drive? |
| 03:56.01 | snagnever | 2GB |
| 03:56.21 | boxxertrumps | lordlicorice, thanks for the tip. banshee looks like it'll do what i want |
| 03:56.50 | pickcoder | snagnever: I also assume you tried the install-mbr trick too |
| 03:57.49 | lordlicorice | sure |
| 03:58.02 | snagnever | well, i was going to find out where i can find that binary... but i read somewhere a trick for dding the /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sdb |
| 03:58.23 | snagnever | cause i don't have the install-mbr in my system; |
| 03:58.46 | snagnever | and since i've zcatted to the /dev/sdb already i tought it wouldn't help |
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| 03:59.33 | pickcoder | it's part of the "mbr" package |
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| 04:00.48 | snagnever | pickcoder let me try |
| 04:01.29 | snagnever | pickcoder oh, another question... debian has i686 bin repos, right? |
| 04:01.50 | pickcoder | i386 |
| 04:02.28 | Vasistha | isn't 686 what we call the modern pentium and amd processors in debian-kernel-lingo? |
| 04:03.16 | McL0VIN | is there is a way to know what service are running, ps -ef |
| 04:04.52 | pickcoder | Vasistha: I'm not sure if the i-series have new opcodes or registers, but yeah. the 686 has the last standard gen of opcodes from the x86 family |
| 04:05.11 | pickcoder | I've lost track of CPUs over the past several years |
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| 04:07.20 | snagnever | pickcoder so all binaries packages on debian repositories are for i386? not optimized for i686? |
| 04:07.27 | Vasistha | man, a search for linux-image-2.6 sure turns up a lot of results... seems like a whole lot more than there used to be. |
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| 04:09.06 | boxxertrumps | hmmm |
| 04:09.18 | boxxertrumps | i think banshee is making my mp3 player crash... |
| 04:11.18 | McL0VIN | can someone please help me |
| 04:11.46 | McL0VIN | i am lost , why my vnc is not working.....ip didn't change |
| 04:12.14 | Vasistha | McL0VIN: based on the lack of response in here, you might want to go to a more vnc-centric place, perhaps even a mailing list |
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| 04:16.28 | pickcoder | snagnever: as far as I know |
| 04:16.56 | pickcoder | you can look on the package web site |
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| 04:22.29 | snagnever | pickcoder i've done the install-mbr and vmware is not booting it yet |
| 04:22.34 | snagnever | i'll see if my system can |
| 04:22.36 | snagnever | i'll reboot |
| 04:22.41 | McL0VIN | ~vino |
| 04:22.47 | snagnever | thanks for the help ;D |
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| 04:23.57 | mmcheese | Hey, I want to install the "testing" version but it appears the latest has a broken installer |
| 04:24.10 | Vasistha | mmcheese: why do you want to install that? |
| 04:24.35 | mmcheese | because i like to live on the edge |
| 04:24.39 | mmcheese | why else |
| 04:24.40 | mmcheese | :) |
| 04:25.03 | pickcoder | mmcheese: you can get a large portion of apps and kernels from lenny-backports |
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| 04:25.46 | mmcheese | mmmmm not the same |
| 04:25.48 | pickcoder | you can always dist-upgrade to squeeze, but there's no going back |
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| 04:26.23 | pickcoder | I imagine you will run into dependency conflicts |
| 04:26.36 | mmcheese | yeah thats why i want to install it fromt he start |
| 04:26.46 | mmcheese | from *the |
| 04:26.49 | Vasistha | !testing |
| 04:26.49 | dpkg | i heard testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 04:27.39 | Vasistha | mmcheese: you should have a good long conversation with dpkg before you decide to do this. /msg dpkg testing faq |
| 04:27.53 | mmcheese | nah were good friends already |
| 04:28.09 | mmcheese | im just wanting to know if anyone knows where i can download a iso with working installer |
| 04:28.21 | mmcheese | i reiterate.. one that isnt lenny |
| 04:28.34 | pickcoder | I think there is only a daily image for testing |
| 04:28.43 | pickcoder | not 100% sure though |
| 04:28.53 | Vasistha | ok, well if you're determined, that's your choice. I can't really help because I've never installed testing ... erm, except for when it was frozen and I was being an early upgrader to the up-and-coming stable :) |
| 04:29.27 | mmcheese | yeah supposed daily i dont think they did too well the last day though lol |
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| 04:29.54 | McL0VIN | how to run vino |
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| 04:30.39 | mmcheese | Vasistha :) well if theres a bug ill find it heh im really good at breaking things |
| 04:31.14 | pickcoder | mmcheese: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20091001-1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:31.24 | pickcoder | browse around and try to find one that works.. heh |
| 04:32.00 | pickcoder | mmcheese: just be willing to report them, though. Better yet, offer a fix if you can. |
| 04:32.09 | mmcheese | ive tried the netinstall and the dvdiso both either lock up at loadin UTF 8 or graphical do a really cool strobe |
| 04:32.34 | pickcoder | mmcheese: that is from oct 1st.. feel free to look back in the archives |
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| 04:33.51 | mmcheese | BTW i think you can get around the launch by jumping the installer with a lenny disc and using a usb to inject a kernel or at least network drivers |
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| 04:33.52 | mmcheese | i unfortunately dont have a jump drive |
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| 04:35.20 | McL0VIN | (vino-preferences:10457): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 04:35.58 | mmcheese | i dont suppose it matter what day i get so long as the installer works huh |
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| 04:36.07 | dkay | hello #debian. can someone tell me the syntax of scp copy? i need to insert an key |
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| 04:36.18 | pickcoder | mmcheese: the older it is the more stuff will probably be broken |
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| 04:36.31 | mmcheese | well im jsut gonna update it |
| 04:36.31 | pickcoder | dkay: man scp? |
| 04:36.31 | mmcheese | lol |
| 04:36.33 | dkay | i tried 5 different syntaxes |
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| 04:36.50 | dkay | i only used the usage scp --help |
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| 04:36.56 | dkay | well, maybe ill find an example |
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| 04:37.03 | pickcoder | read the manpage? |
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| 04:40.01 | dkay | i did read it now and i do nothing wrong then i use: scp -i /path/key -p 2222 /path/file.ext user@12.22.33.45:/home/user/file.ext |
| 04:40.21 | dkay | but it wont work, but i can establish an ssh connection |
| 04:40.36 | dkay | maybe scp isnt installed on the dest? |
| 04:40.53 | PinkFreud | dkay: scp uses -P to specify port, not -p |
| 04:41.36 | dkay | crap, you got me lol. it works promptly oO |
| 04:41.51 | dkay | wasnt really carefully |
| 04:41.56 | PinkFreud | hehe |
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| 04:42.25 | dkay | well, thnks |
| 04:42.32 | PinkFreud | it is confusing, especially as the openssh client uses -p |
| 04:42.42 | PinkFreud | no problem |
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| 04:45.50 | dkay | honestly, i just tried a few times. i have had never realized to check if -P or -p cause i use -p for ssh oO *confused* need to be more carefully of options from ssh |
| 04:46.50 | dkay | but it is not really "coorpate identity" :P |
| 04:46.53 | McL0VIN | anyone here using vino |
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| 04:47.33 | carl | what the the shortcuts for restart x and switch to tty these days, alt-ctrl-bs doesnt work any more, neither does alt-fn |
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| 04:48.51 | McL0VIN | carl: try ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 04:48.54 | McL0VIN | or f2 |
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| 04:49.56 | McL0VIN | actually f1-f6 |
| 04:50.43 | carl | thankyou |
| 04:50.47 | pickcoder | carl: if you have kdm or gdm running the GUI login will always reload |
| 04:50.55 | carl | i use startx |
| 04:51.13 | carl | im about to run a program which has a history of crashing my xsession |
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| 04:54.19 | mmcheese | man that bug report chart is scary lol |
| 04:54.37 | McL0VIN | and i am still struggling to get me vnc to work |
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| 04:56.33 | jaggz | anyone know what the -12 volt sensor is? Mine is going higher than the max setting in ksensors |
| 04:56.57 | jaggz | 3.21 is the max.. it was going to 3.4 earlier (when the computer was warm) and right now is right at 3.18 |
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| 04:57.11 | jaggz | I could, of course, raise the sensor max, but I'm wondering what the -12v actually is |
| 04:57.26 | jaggz | the computer was running at 145degF earlier... |
| 04:57.46 | McL0VIN | jaggz: _12v should be for ur psu |
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| 05:02.32 | jaggz | its own usage/draw? |
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| 05:02.51 | jaggz | then later on my computer wouldn't turn on.. a couple hours after I turned it off.. |
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| 05:03.13 | McL0VIN | jaggz: is that for a desktop |
| 05:03.15 | jaggz | finally after 20 min of having its side off it suddenly turned on again.. |
| 05:03.17 | jaggz | yeah |
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| 05:03.49 | McL0VIN | jaggz: looks like a bad power supply unit |
| 05:04.35 | McL0VIN | i could be that some caps are charged cause a relay to be open, then when they discharge it close the circuit |
| 05:04.53 | Vasistha | jaggz: 145F, I think that is probably okay |
| 05:05.47 | McL0VIN | a good way to test will be once you turn it off, un-plug power and the press and hold power button form 30 sec , then plug it back and power it on |
| 05:06.19 | McL0VIN | see if that will make if fire from first time and not to wait 20 min |
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| 05:07.53 | jaggz | Okay, I'll get a chance to try that again soon.. will turn off system now |
| 05:07.55 | jaggz | thanks |
| 05:08.11 | McL0VIN | how can i start vnc or vino from ssh |
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| 05:11.49 | jaggz | what's vino? |
| 05:12.08 | McL0VIN | jaggz: like vnc |
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| 05:12.22 | jaggz | export DISPLAY=localhost:10 (10 may vary) to get your X display to forward through your ssh tunnel |
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| 05:13.25 | jaggz | I'm not sure if through the tunnel this is necessary, but you might have to do: xhost +ip.of.remote.system |
| 05:13.58 | McL0VIN | jaggz: i am on my mini book (windows) and my headless is lenny, it used to work untill a blackout, not i cant get it to work |
| 05:14.08 | jaggz | because it should be coming through the tunnel.. so you maybe you don't have to do anything, or do: xhost +local:// which I do from my user account when I want to allow root to run X11 stuff |
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| 05:14.16 | McL0VIN | and i am lazt to connect a monitor |
| 05:14.18 | jaggz | eh? |
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| 05:14.27 | jaggz | oh.. you want to start the vnc server on the remote system? |
| 05:14.37 | McL0VIN | yeah |
| 05:14.45 | jaggz | x11vnc? |
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| 05:14.51 | simonrvn | you don't |
| 05:14.53 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 05:14.54 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 05:14.59 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 05:15.00 | dpkg | somebody said xhost was EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 05:16.10 | jaggz | x11vnc -bg -usepw maybe? |
| 05:16.19 | McL0VIN | simonrvn: please little help |
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| 05:18.29 | simonrvn | McL0VIN: read those 2 things, they're enough to get it going, and simple to do |
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| 05:19.48 | jaggz | he doesn't care about the x display stuff |
| 05:19.59 | simonrvn | sshx ^^^ |
| 05:20.03 | jaggz | doesn't care |
| 05:20.14 | jaggz | he just wants to vnc to his linux box.. just wants to get vnc server goin' |
| 05:20.25 | jaggz | !x11vnc |
| 05:20.26 | dpkg | [x11vnc] a <VNC> server for displaying the running X session. Best invoked remotely as: ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 host 'x11vnc -localhost -display :0' &sleep2;vncviewer localhost http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 05:20.29 | simonrvn | so... what's up then? i just came in here a few mins ago. |
| 05:20.32 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
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| 05:21.00 | simonrvn | that ^^ should work |
| 05:21.31 | jaggz | that'll let you pipe it through ssh .. on my local net I don't bother though, just letting it go through the air all naked 'cept for WPA2 and such |
| 05:22.05 | simonrvn | make sure you enable compression |
| 05:22.11 | simonrvn | -C |
| 05:22.29 | McL0VIN | jaggz: not working |
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| 05:23.03 | ajonat | anyone know what would make my computer reboot automatically just before the booloaders kicks in? |
| 05:23.05 | jaggz | read x11vnc manpage on the usepw option too.. |
| 05:23.37 | jaggz | and whatever else is in that thing |
| 05:23.48 | jaggz | ajonat ew. |
| 05:24.04 | ajonat | i don't hear any strange beeps |
| 05:24.11 | ajonat | it just reboots itself |
| 05:24.28 | jaggz | not sure so I won't speak much about it.. bad boot loader install? (grub/lilo?) something bad in MBA? maybe boot loader gets unhappy when it finds something? |
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| 05:24.45 | jaggz | do some web searches "computer keeps rebooting grub" |
| 05:24.46 | jaggz | etc. |
| 05:24.50 | jaggz | time to go.. |
| 05:24.59 | ajonat | i don't think grub has anything to do with it |
| 05:25.18 | ajonat | i'm guessing a hardware part is malfunctioning |
| 05:25.45 | ajonat | i mean, i've never had any problems with grub before |
| 05:26.18 | McL0VIN | ajonat: so is it boot loop |
| 05:26.23 | ajonat | right |
| 05:26.29 | ajonat | but just before the bootloaders |
| 05:26.45 | ajonat | so i can see in screen that it detects my hardrives and dvd drive correctly |
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| 05:27.19 | McL0VIN | ajonat: coupted boot sector |
| 05:27.46 | McL0VIN | what were you doing before that |
| 05:28.10 | McL0VIN | boot to a single-user and do sfc |
| 05:28.44 | McL0VIN | it might be hardware issue |
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| 05:28.50 | ajonat | wouldn't that throw something like grub XX error? |
| 05:28.51 | ajonat | i've seen harddrivers gone bad and grub shows such messages everytime |
| 05:28.51 | ajonat | but i've never had this reboot loop thing |
| 05:29.17 | ajonat | i was downloading a torrent then i left my computer unattended, came back a few hours later and it was on |
| 05:29.22 | McL0VIN | try spinrite |
| 05:29.28 | ajonat | but the monitor led was yellow |
| 05:29.34 | ajonat | as is no screen signal |
| 05:29.42 | ajonat | so i rebooted |
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| 05:30.16 | McL0VIN | ajonat: is it onboard |
| 05:30.27 | ajonat | what is on board? |
| 05:30.34 | McL0VIN | vedio |
| 05:30.46 | ajonat | nope, nvidia 6200 card |
| 05:30.47 | McL0VIN | vga on board or pci |
| 05:30.54 | ajonat | agp |
| 05:31.13 | McL0VIN | take the card out, investigate it |
| 05:31.28 | McL0VIN | wtf agp thats accient :) |
| 05:31.35 | ajonat | hehe |
| 05:31.40 | McL0VIN | look at capacitors |
| 05:31.54 | ajonat | it's and old asus a7v266 motherboard with an athlon xp cpu |
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| 05:32.08 | McL0VIN | see if they are flat on the top or they are carved |
| 05:32.33 | McL0VIN | if that checks out |
| 05:32.45 | McL0VIN | start testing memory modules |
| 05:32.57 | McL0VIN | take one at the time and try to boot |
| 05:33.16 | ajonat | this guy had the same problem: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-07/msg02562.html |
| 05:33.37 | ajonat | the only difference is that i didn't clone my hd |
| 05:34.00 | ajonat | hm... converted my ext3 partitions to ext4 a few days ago.. |
| 05:34.03 | ajonat | perhaps it's related |
| 05:34.14 | McL0VIN | that it then dude |
| 05:34.22 | McL0VIN | good GOD |
| 05:34.27 | McL0VIN | :) |
| 05:34.35 | ajonat | but i rebooted many times in the past days |
| 05:34.40 | ajonat | and never had a problem :/ |
| 05:34.45 | McL0VIN | you didn't do it right then |
| 05:35.07 | ajonat | ok, i'm going to try to reinstall grub with a live cd |
| 05:35.10 | ajonat | wish me luch :) |
| 05:35.13 | ajonat | luck |
| 05:35.23 | McL0VIN | when it comes to this stuff i suck, i am mainly a hardware guy |
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| 05:35.38 | fly | whelp thats 2 botched installers |
| 05:35.54 | McL0VIN | backup backup backup |
| 05:36.05 | simonrvn | it's certainly possible, but i don't think so. regardless, doing a reinstall of grub should help. it certainly won't hurt. |
| 05:36.07 | McL0VIN | it should give a error code thu |
| 05:36.37 | McL0VIN | simonrvn: could sfc help |
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| 05:36.49 | simonrvn | sfc? |
| 05:36.49 | ajonat | ok, it booted from the livecd |
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| 05:36.56 | ajonat | i'm 99% sure it must be grub-related |
| 05:36.57 | ajonat | :) |
| 05:37.07 | McL0VIN | ajonat: ithink it will be error code 20 |
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| 05:37.19 | McL0VIN | grub error code 20 |
| 05:37.20 | mmcheeze | sigh |
| 05:37.22 | ajonat | i hope not |
| 05:37.24 | ajonat | hehe |
| 05:37.31 | McL0VIN | i could be wrong thu |
| 05:37.55 | ajonat | anyway, i thought ext4 was stable now, i'm using 2.6.31 |
| 05:37.55 | ajonat | :/ |
| 05:38.02 | mmcheeze | im hoping this weekly release works... because the daily ones sure as hell arent |
| 05:38.41 | jaggz | hey do we have apache mod_c ? |
| 05:38.53 | jaggz | something which compiles cgi in C and keeps the cached binaries? |
| 05:39.13 | mmcheeze | locks up at setting keyboard UTF-8 |
| 05:39.22 | jaggz | does web search |
| 05:39.29 | mmcheeze | and in graphical mode gives me a cool slow strobe |
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| 05:40.12 | McL0VIN | jaggz: simonrvn : http://pastebin.ca/1590220 |
| 05:40.22 | mmcheeze | epileptically satisfying |
| 05:40.22 | snagnever | i'm trying to install debian from a usb stick; |
| 05:40.33 | snagnever | i've followed the instructions in the page |
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| 05:40.56 | snagnever | and when i boot it, appears a lot of "MBR" written on the screen |
| 05:41.12 | MadMuppet | how do I mount an external usb dvd? |
| 05:41.16 | simonrvn | McL0VIN: |
| 05:41.21 | ajonat | hmm |
| 05:41.29 | ajonat | can't even mount /dev/sda1 |
| 05:41.32 | mmcheeze | snagnever; you trying to install from or to |
| 05:41.34 | simonrvn | !x11vnc |
| 05:41.34 | dpkg | well, x11vnc is a <VNC> server for displaying the running X session. Best invoked remotely as: ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 host 'x11vnc -localhost -display :0' &sleep2;vncviewer localhost http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 05:41.39 | ajonat | seems fs is corrupted :( |
| 05:41.47 | simonrvn | ajonat: fsck it |
| 05:42.10 | simonrvn | ajonat: could be the rescue cd doesn't grk ext4 too |
| 05:42.12 | McL0VIN | ajonat: it going to be 20 dude |
| 05:42.14 | simonrvn | grok* |
| 05:42.45 | ajonat | simonrvn, it's a ubuntu 9.04 livecd |
| 05:42.59 | ajonat | i checked it had e2fsprogs >= 2.41 |
| 05:43.09 | mmcheeze | ugh 30 minute wait on the 20090928 dvd iso |
| 05:43.16 | simonrvn | 'k; but does the kernel have the support too? |
| 05:43.21 | mmcheeze | this one better not strobe |
| 05:43.23 | ajonat | sure |
| 05:43.29 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 05:43.40 | simonrvn | so fsck it |
| 05:43.50 | ajonat | running it now |
| 05:43.50 | mmcheeze | lol that sounds so funny |
| 05:44.05 | ajonat | ugh, orhpans inodes :/ |
| 05:44.09 | mmcheeze | awww fsck it |
| 05:44.18 | simonrvn | yeh well, i imagine there would be |
| 05:44.39 | ajonat | lol, why in hell did i convert to ext4? arghh |
| 05:45.03 | mmcheeze | because you were given false hope that it would be faster more efficient and more convenient |
| 05:45.11 | ajonat | just 7 orphaned inodes, great |
| 05:45.19 | ajonat | mmcheeze, so true |
| 05:45.25 | simonrvn | eh, it's been in dev for a while, just not as mature as ext2/3; i have some ext4 partitions, they're behaving well. |
| 05:45.26 | mmcheeze | which not really,,, not quite and no way |
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| 05:45.40 | mmcheeze | :) unless your running raid imo |
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| 05:46.16 | McL0VIN | simonrvn: it beats me, fuck it |
| 05:46.50 | ajonat | ok, i can mount home partition, so personal stuff is not lost :) |
| 05:46.58 | ajonat | will reboot now and try |
| 05:47.01 | mmcheeze | what am i doing sitting here staring at this download tick down from 25min im gonna go get some smokes |
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| 05:54.48 | ajonat | yahooooo |
| 05:54.53 | ajonat | no files in lost+found :) |
| 05:55.46 | ajonat | everything is working well :) |
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| 05:57.08 | Zylvain | hi all |
| 05:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they were just lost, but not found :-P |
| 05:57.38 | Zylvain | i would like to display all UTF8 characters in xterm, does anyone know the right settings? |
| 05:58.11 | Zylvain | i already have en_US.UTF-8 in all my locale |
| 05:58.15 | ajonat | hehe |
| 05:58.28 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: kwe |
| 05:58.48 | Zylvain | for instance, i want to cat this file: |
| 05:58.50 | Zylvain | http://webpollux.free.fr/public/28/UTF-8.xml |
| 05:58.56 | ajonat | oh wait |
| 05:58.56 | ajonat | mpd song list is empty |
| 05:59.00 | Zylvain | and see them all in xterm |
| 05:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried "apt-cache show xterm" yet? |
| 05:59.52 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: (means 'hello'/'hi') |
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| 06:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | [...] uxterm, which is a wrapper around xterm that is intelligent about locale settings (especially those which use the UTF-8 character encoding), but which requires the luit program from the x11-utils package" |
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| 06:00.33 | simonrvn | ht in between an a2 cycle |
| 06:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, in this case, hyvää päivää! |
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| 06:03.01 | Zylvain | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I've tried uxterm, but I'm not sure it stands for a good solution |
| 06:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | kwe is easier, though - I might even remember that :) |
| 06:03.10 | Zylvain | i have x11-utils |
| 06:03.26 | Zylvain | but i cant see all UTF8 characters, particularly chinese ones |
| 06:03.56 | Zylvain | and it's mostly chinese characters that I need to display in console |
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| 06:06.01 | Zylvain | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I can't find a xfont that handles all UTF8 characters |
| 06:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many UTF8 characters are there? |
| 06:06.36 | Zylvain | as when I try to select some iso-10646 fonts in xfontsel, I always get some of the characters can display and some not |
| 06:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !utf-8 |
| 06:06.53 | dpkg | UTF-8 is way of encoding multibyte characters from the Universal Character Set (Unicode/ISO10646). UTF-8 is a superset of US-ASCII but can represent all of unicode. By default, Debian will use a UTF-8 locale for you, but ask me about <locales><localised errors>. Typically, you use something like "LANG=<lang>_<CC>.utf8" eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for US-English). To fix garbled man pages, see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian. |
| 06:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 06:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't even run uxterm on my machine... just get an error |
| 06:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
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| 06:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | re |
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| 06:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zylvain, you should probably try a chinese channel... more people are likely to have tried to solve the same problem |
| 06:09.34 | simonrvn | re |
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| 06:11.48 | elik | Ust upgraded sysv-rc.. gave a few errors, that it couldn't migrate to dependency based sequencing... |
| 06:13.19 | datz | Hi, I'm new to debian, and want to install apache2. When I search for it with the package manager, I get a huge list of packages that seem unrelated. Is there an easier way to find this? |
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| 06:15.24 | hark | datz: try searching by name |
| 06:15.48 | elik | datz, tab completion is usually rather effective, given you are using console tools and have bash completion |
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| 06:16.44 | Woodi | datz: apache pkg is apache2-* |
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| 06:17.00 | Woodi | s/-// too |
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| 06:17.16 | lumis | Hay, looking to buy a netbook/laptop. 12-15inch screen, wireless (obviously,) and decent Linux compatibility (I won't even boot it into Windows,) any recommendations? |
| 06:17.30 | Woodi | lumis: thinkpad |
| 06:17.49 | lumis | Woodi: looked, can't really afford a new thinkpad atm ;) |
| 06:18.19 | Woodi | lumis: do you need better gfx then intel ? |
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| 06:18.34 | lumis | Woodi: nah |
| 06:19.04 | lumis | most graphics intensive thing I'll do is watch low bitrate movies on it :P |
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| 06:19.13 | lumis | maybe compiz, but that's just a plus |
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| 06:19.16 | Woodi | lumis: i just write to you from old t41 and i am all happy. only one isue are games (on windows so unrelated to question) |
| 06:19.36 | lumis | I'm not a gamer, so that's fine :) |
| 06:19.39 | Woodi | get one with 1gb ram or more |
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| 06:19.50 | lumis | Will have a look at the T-series then |
| 06:19.59 | Woodi | and 80gb+ hd is nice too |
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| 06:20.26 | Woodi | x series is realy nice too |
| 06:20.28 | Woodi | try t61, x61, x200 atc |
| 06:20.35 | Woodi | and new modelf odc |
| 06:20.39 | lumis | Woodi: I looked at the X-series, can't really afford one of them atm :P |
| 06:20.44 | lumis | the x200 certaibnly |
| 06:20.49 | lumis | certainly ** |
| 06:20.52 | Woodi | thinkpads have realy good linux support |
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| 06:21.32 | WormFood | why in the hell did one of these updates turn my number pad into a mouse? I turned it off in the config menu, but it is still acting as a mouse. I wouldn't expect to have to restart X11....now I do remember there was a key sequence to turn on and off that crap, but I've tried it, and it won't work (or I forgot the right keys to hit) |
| 06:22.20 | WormFood | I have a thinkpad T30, and it is fantastic with Linux...couldn't as for a better one...it is old, but built like a tank (and cheap, now that all the new models are out) |
| 06:23.31 | WormFood | what is the key sequence to turn the number-pad-as-mouse on and off? |
| 06:24.31 | hark | ctrl-shift-numlock |
| 06:24.55 | hark | or alt |
| 06:25.06 | WormFood | yeah...I had forgotten...you were right the first time...thanks hark |
| 06:25.19 | WormFood | ctrl-shift-numlock does the trick. |
| 06:25.57 | WormFood | and you're right on the 2nd one too...alt-shift-numlock also works |
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| 06:26.23 | hark | does just shift+numlock work? |
| 06:26.43 | hark | tries |
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| 06:26.59 | WormFood | yes, it also works |
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| 06:27.25 | kaduk | Hi |
| 06:27.29 | kaduk | when I type ls -la |
| 06:27.37 | kaduk | some files show full date some dont |
| 06:28.04 | kaduk | whats wrong? |
| 06:28.49 | hark | WormFood: so i guess it's just shift+numlock then, the alt/ctl don't make a difference :) |
| 06:29.02 | kaduk | any help? |
| 06:29.06 | WormFood | kaduk, nothing is wrong |
| 06:29.30 | kaduk | how to display full date? |
| 06:29.34 | WormFood | look close kaduk, and you'll notice the files with the times are less than a year old...the ones without the time are over a year old |
| 06:29.50 | kaduk | hmm ok |
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| 06:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, I read data instead of date there |
| 06:30.07 | WormFood | did you try --full-time ? |
| 06:30.18 | simonrvn | seems shift numlock is the key |
| 06:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and already wanted to lart him for asking so unspecifically |
| 06:30.33 | kaduk | WormFood, I want to find all files with excat date |
| 06:30.35 | WormFood | yeah, it does seem that way.... |
| 06:30.47 | WormFood | kaduk, use "ls --full-time" |
| 06:30.54 | kaduk | WormFood, but find allows only + - or you have to count |
| 06:31.16 | WormFood | kaduk, what the hell are you talking about? |
| 06:31.47 | kaduk | WormFood, I want to "find" <--- command, all files with excat date |
| 06:32.09 | kaduk | WormFood, remove program installed from tar ball for example |
| 06:32.11 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I remember the date format being different for files over a year old, but I don't see that now when I do an ls -l |
| 06:32.21 | WormFood | this is the first time you said anything about "find" :P |
| 06:32.49 | WormFood | good luck with it kaduk, I gotta go now |
| 06:32.56 | kaduk | omg |
| 06:32.59 | kaduk | thanks anyway |
| 06:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, find -ctime |
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| 06:34.10 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah n days |
| 06:34.22 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, so I have to count all days in a mounth ? |
| 06:34.34 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, thats cumbersome |
| 06:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, well, there's -newerXY |
| 06:36.50 | themolest | on grub2, is there a way to make it use root=UUID= on ALL lines, not just the ones passed to linux? |
| 06:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I agree... find's options for searching date(s)/date-ranges lets something to wish for |
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| 06:37.12 | gullstein | I can't get kinit to start. Seams it not listed in sysv so what is starting this service? |
| 06:37.41 | themolest | or...is there a way to force my onboard to start at sda? if i plug anything into my addon board during boot, it nasties up the order |
| 06:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, look at "info find" instead of "man find" |
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| 06:38.51 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, I found lots of google threads asking about it, but all replies are not what I expected |
| 06:38.51 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, I installed crystalspace from tar ball, few months ago, and I want totaly remove it, so my goal is to match all files with exact day and hour/min |
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| 06:39.06 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, second might vary |
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| 06:40.15 | elik | Say my sysv-rc update failed during last upgrade. What should I do to have it switch to dependency based sysv again? |
| 06:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, info find, look for "worked examples" -> updating a timestamp |
| 06:40.42 | Woodi | kaduk: next time try insalling with checkinstall or stow-like installers |
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| 06:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that, indeed, is the way to go |
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| 06:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or install everything into /usr/local/somesoftware-3.1.1/ |
| 06:42.06 | Woodi | elik: do your apt-get upgrade work now ? |
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| 06:42.52 | elik | Woodi, well, I use aptitude.. |
| 06:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Woodi, that doesn't change the fact that finds abilities to sort by date are... limited |
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| 06:43.25 | elik | Woodi, but the upgrade completed, and would there be any package to install right now, I think it would install them |
| 06:44.32 | Woodi | CutMeOwnThroat: recursive full ls > file ; grep ? |
| 06:45.06 | Woodi | elik: sysv-rc is script ? |
| 06:45.20 | elik | Woodi, sounded more like a package to me.. |
| 06:45.59 | Woodi | elik: uninstall that package, debian will try to find alternative functionality |
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| 06:47.28 | elik | Woodi, uninstalling sysv sounds a bit like when I tried uninstalling perl... I ended up wishing I had known better beforehand |
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| 06:48.10 | elik | Woodi, are you sure that's a safe thing to do? I mean, sysv is the whole startup sequence.. |
| 06:48.16 | Woodi | elik: not sure |
| 06:48.22 | elik | Woodi, I'm on squeeze, if that matters |
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| 06:48.45 | elik | I think I'll try that in last recourse |
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| 06:49.22 | Woodi | elik: but if you want some effect you must do tests, safe first, more agressive later.. |
| 06:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, also, "find /somepath -ls" doesn't change time format depending on how long ago the date is |
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| 06:50.01 | hark | elik: dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 06:50.31 | elik | hark, after purging packages that caused problems in the first place I presume? |
| 06:51.11 | hark | yes, or fixing whatever reason it couldn't switch to it |
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| 06:51.40 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, ls --full-time /usr/bin/ | grep 2009-04-28 should make it I guess |
| 06:52.02 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, and then maybe cut |
| 06:52.33 | elik | hark, thx, I'll give that a try |
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| 06:53.25 | elik | hark, do you know about the missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 06:53.27 | Arafangion | Why might one of my debian systems show up in my dhcp table some weird name? |
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| 06:53.39 | Arafangion | Here's an example entry: *¹W⬠00:24:1D:8D:12:3B 192.168.1.9 00:19:30:39 |
| 06:53.48 | Arafangion | Why the heck '*¹Wâ¬'? |
| 06:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, or find / -ls |grep '2009.*Apr *28' |
| 06:54.37 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, unfortunely ls does not show full date when the year is the same |
| 06:54.44 | elik | hark, they are just warning.. but, you know |
| 06:55.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, what I pasted wasn't ls, but find |
| 06:55.07 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, and my command also fails cause I can't cut filename |
| 06:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/pasted/wrote/ |
| 06:56.16 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, I forgot to export LANG=C |
| 06:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 06:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, yours would be ls --full-time /usr/bin/ |awk '/2008-04-04/{print $9}' |
| 06:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but this really is offtopic for #debian |
| 06:57.22 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah but thanks for help |
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| 06:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's more for #bash |
| 06:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | they might even have a FAQ entry for it |
| 06:57.53 | hark | elik: yes |
| 06:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they'll tell you not to parse the output of ls :) |
| 06:58.06 | pif | hi, I'd like to install debian from a usb stick, do I simply copy the .iso to the stick? |
| 06:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not whitespace-safe |
| 06:58.27 | pif | or must I copy all the files of the .iso on the stick fs, |
| 06:58.28 | elik | hark, yes? |
| 06:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 06:58.30 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 06:59.03 | pif | ack |
| 06:59.14 | elik | hark, turns out insserv warnings end up a dpkg errors |
| 06:59.45 | Vasistha | pif: the short answer is no: an iso is a cd-booting-image, it does not work for non-cds |
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| 07:00.11 | pif | v |
| 07:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I don't like that http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 too much |
| 07:00.33 | hark | elik: you can fix it yourself or add an ignore for it, depends on which script it is |
| 07:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should have written a corrected/clearer version |
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| 07:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | when trying that stuff myself... now I forgot :( |
| 07:01.06 | hark | elik: also, you might want to check the bts, it should have been reported by now |
| 07:01.20 | elik | hark, S25libdevmapper1.02/libdevmapper1.02 |
| 07:01.38 | elik | hark, well, I found something for the "not purged" messages, which I purged manually |
| 07:02.00 | Woodi | is grub-pc (grub2) safe now ? |
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| 07:03.35 | hark | elik: it usually means the /etc/init.d/foo script is missing the init.d header, moment |
| 07:03.43 | Zylvain | gnome-terminal was doing it well |
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| 07:05.59 | hark | elik: i found http://bugs.debian.org/499373 |
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| 07:09.17 | hark | Woodi: working fine here |
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| 07:12.27 | elik | hark, thanks. So if I wait for a libdevmapper fix, will sysv-rc upgrade eventually be retried? Or I have to remember that it failed at some point in the past? |
| 07:14.24 | hark | elik: do you have a /etc/init.d/libdevmapper or similar? |
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| 07:15.04 | elik | hark, libdevmapper1.02, yes |
| 07:15.17 | hark | get rid of it and run the reconfigure. should work then |
| 07:15.39 | piap | is someone allready arrived to install Xdirectfb ? |
| 07:15.50 | elik | hark, ok |
| 07:16.11 | elik | hark, what does it do anyway? |
| 07:17.04 | piap | or is there a backport of Xdirectfb for debian ? |
| 07:17.08 | hark | elik: i don't see that init.d file in lenny or sid here. seems to have been left behind. what does dpkg -S /etc/init.d/libdevfoo say? |
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| 07:17.31 | hark | judd: versions xdirectfb |
| 07:17.32 | judd | hark: xdirectfb -- |
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| 07:18.02 | piap | like this : http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/XDirectFB:About |
| 07:18.33 | elik | hark, libdevmapper1.02: /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 |
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| 07:19.42 | hark | elik: that package can be removed, we have libdevmapper1.02.1 now |
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| 07:21.14 | elik | hark, why wasn't it just upgraded over libdevmapper? |
| 07:22.02 | elik | I can upgrade now, thx |
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| 08:00.59 | rumpsy | dpkg pidgin |
| 08:01.00 | dpkg | Pidgin - formerly <GAIM> - is an instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny and Etch, ask me about <bpo> or <bpo etch>. See also http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. XMPP Multi-User Chat: devel@conference.pidgin.im. See also <pidgin yahoo>. The backports.org packages for Lenny were previously broken, see <pidgin bpo>. |
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| 08:07.42 | bartounet_ | helo |
| 08:07.46 | bartounet_ | could you help |
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| 08:07.56 | bomber | hey |
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| 08:08.06 | bartounet_ | i have install debian 5 on my laptop in fond of replace my old ubuntu dapper |
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| 08:08.29 | bartounet_ | but now on debian i have a big problem whith my wifi card |
| 08:08.32 | yang | console-kit-daemon |
| 08:08.39 | bartounet_ | maximum 200Kbit/s |
| 08:08.45 | bartounet_ | it is unusable |
| 08:08.49 | yang | is using quite a lot of memory on a server, with no Window manager, can it be canceled |
| 08:09.03 | bartounet_ | on ubuntu this card works at 30Mbits/s |
| 08:09.08 | bomber | need to know what debian version support AHCI Sata mode and x64 |
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| 08:09.17 | bomber | anyway does it working good? |
| 08:09.18 | bartounet_ | it is a Asus Wl-107G (rt 2500) |
| 08:10.46 | simonrvn | yang: i doubt it's needed on a server |
| 08:11.37 | simonrvn | unless it's a console / terminal server, but i'd consider the benefits vs the tradeoffs |
| 08:12.14 | yang | simonrvn: however it cannot be stopped from /etc/init.d/console* |
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| 08:12.54 | simonrvn | i know. i tried the other day, i'd just do a killall whatever |
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| 08:13.39 | yang | simonrvn: well the server worked well before it was installed, so I don't think that I will benefit from it |
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| 08:14.45 | simonrvn | so purge the mofo and be happy |
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| 08:18.48 | lumis | loves the smell of a fresh Firefox build in the morning |
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| 08:33.00 | jetscreamer | what are we doing |
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| 08:37.23 | rumpsy | jetscreamer: do you know about eggdrop |
| 08:37.46 | rumpsy | I need some help in that |
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| 08:53.36 | cnu | can i somehow find all the packages i removed, but not purged? (so i can purge them now) |
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| 08:55.08 | Woodi | dpkg -l| grep ^r |
| 08:55.10 | dpkg | Woodi: i haven't a clue |
| 08:55.19 | hark | aptitude search '~c' . to purge, replace search with purge |
| 08:55.19 | bottttt | dpkg -l| grep ^r |
| 08:55.19 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, bottttt |
| 08:55.22 | bottttt | Woodi: i haven't a clue |
| 08:55.28 | bottttt | aptitude search '~c' . to purge, replace search with purge |
| 08:55.32 | bottttt | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, bottttt |
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| 08:56.08 | cnu | thank you, that worked :) |
| 08:56.13 | bottttt | thank you, that worked :) |
| 08:56.39 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: Smeling firefoxes. |
| 08:56.50 | bottttt | jetscreamer: Smeling firefoxes. |
| 08:57.20 | liable | bottttt: who owns you? |
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| 08:57.35 | liable | i suspect i know |
| 08:57.47 | bottttt | bottttt: who owns you? |
| 08:57.51 | bottttt | i suspect i know |
| 08:58.00 | liable | !ops please +b bottttt |
| 08:58.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: please +b bottttt |
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| 08:58.09 | bottttt | !ops please +b bottttt |
| 08:58.13 | macrobat | kick the bot, please |
| 08:58.28 | bottttt | kick the bot, please |
| 08:58.49 | Arafangion | The bot couldn't be less annoying. |
| 08:58.52 | macrobat | rumpsy left and left the bot behind? |
| 08:58.59 | bottttt | fuck you faggot |
| 08:59.08 | liable | ... |
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| 08:59.44 | macrobat | im never going to help that person again |
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| 08:59.55 | bottttt | !ops please exterminate the jews |
| 08:59.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bottttt complains about: please exterminate the jews |
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| 09:00.09 | hanshenrik | no ops on i guess? |
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| 09:00.19 | bottttt | no ops on i guess? |
| 09:00.34 | Arafangion | Time to find an ircop. |
| 09:00.39 | bottttt | Time to find an ircop. |
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| 09:00.53 | hanshenrik | thats annoying.. but whats an ircop? |
| 09:00.58 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.19 | Arafangion | hanshenrik: Hopefully someone who can give out k-lines with impunity. |
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| 09:01.38 | bottttt | thats annoying.. but whats an ircop? |
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| 09:01.44 | bottttt | /j #freenode |
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| 09:01.49 | bottttt | hanshenrik: Hopefully someone who can give out k-lines with impunity. |
| 09:02.17 | Balsaq | anyone able to watch youtube vids woth an old processor? |
| 09:02.23 | bottttt | anyone able to watch youtube vids woth an old processor? |
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| 09:03.24 | macrobat | yes, even with PII |
| 09:03.25 | Balsaq | anyone able to watch youtube with an old processor? |
| 09:03.28 | bottttt | yes, even with PII |
| 09:03.31 | bottttt | anyone able to watch youtube with an old processor? |
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| 09:03.53 | macrobat | ty |
| 09:03.59 | liable | \o/ |
| 09:04.17 | Balsaq | i cannot run youtube with old processor any help? |
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| 09:04.32 | azeem | Balsaq: get a new processor |
| 09:04.38 | azeem | or don't run youtube |
| 09:04.43 | azeem | not much we can do I guess |
| 09:05.02 | Balsaq | azeem: i dont need help to do that just money |
| 09:05.35 | Balsaq | but it worked with w98 so i know the processor can do it |
| 09:06.00 | macrobat | Balsaq: use clive to download and watch later and/or get a better gfx card |
| 09:06.13 | azeem | Balsaq: then complain to Adobe that flash on Linux is slower |
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| 09:06.41 | Balsaq | some say graphics card have nothing to do with it |
| 09:07.00 | Balsaq | wseems like that should fix it if i upgraded it |
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| 09:07.16 | dutchfish | Balsaq, this might be a video card problem related to 2d hardware acceleration i doubt it is cpu related |
| 09:07.40 | Balsaq | 400mgz 8mb vid card ati agp |
| 09:07.57 | Balsaq | ran it well on w98 perfect |
| 09:08.00 | dutchfish | Balsaq, lspi |
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| 09:08.12 | Balsaq | what is lspi |
| 09:08.15 | dutchfish | Balsaq, i dont care about w98 |
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| 09:08.39 | Balsaq | but t lets me know the hardware can do it |
| 09:08.39 | dutchfish | !lspci |
| 09:08.39 | dpkg | from memory, lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or later. In the pciutils package. Ask me about <pciids>, <pciid> or <hcl>. Use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to match pciids to devices for the latest kernel. |
| 09:10.17 | dutchfish | Balsaq, unless you give us the detaile dinfo about your hardware we ar enot able to help you |
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| 09:10.56 | Balsaq | you mean ru that link or print my hardware out here for you |
| 09:11.12 | Balsaq | ru = run |
| 09:11.29 | dutchfish | !tell Balsaq about pastebin |
| 09:11.39 | Balsaq | 400mgz 768 sdram 10g hd 8mb ati agp |
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| 09:12.07 | dutchfish | Balsaq, run lspi as root and paste it to pastebin |
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| 09:12.27 | Balsaq | sorry newbie here |
| 09:12.32 | dutchfish | np |
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| 09:13.31 | Balsaq | i have my original ATI install disc, cant i just throw that in and load my drivers to my new OS? |
| 09:13.49 | dutchfish | i am afraid not ;) |
| 09:13.49 | Balsaq | prolly lost all the drivers when i killed w98 |
| 09:14.01 | dutchfish | forget w98 |
| 09:14.08 | Balsaq | i did i killed it |
| 09:14.17 | dutchfish | good ;) |
| 09:14.18 | Balsaq | and loved it |
| 09:14.37 | Balsaq | but it knew one thing that is lost somewhere |
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| 09:15.04 | jaggz- | what do I do if I want firefox 3.5? |
| 09:15.28 | Balsaq | can i hurt my OS if i toss my ATI driver disc in htere? |
| 09:15.29 | dutchfish | jaggz-, install iceweasel 9wich is the same) or compile from souce |
| 09:15.50 | jaggz- | I don't see an iceweasel 9 |
| 09:16.13 | jaggz- | iceweasel 3.0.6-1 and -3 |
| 09:16.27 | dutchfish | Balsaq, run lspci and do what i asked plz |
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| 09:17.01 | Balsaq | i would if i had a friggen clue ...run this means nothing too me |
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| 09:17.33 | macrobat | Balsaq: in a terminal, write "lspci" and press enter |
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| 09:18.02 | Balsaq | but i will study it ..i am on my g4 now turned off the old puter |
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| 09:18.17 | dutchfish | jaggz-, http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
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| 09:18.55 | Balsaq | i know i did some commands the other day and found i have no proprietery drivers none |
| 09:19.00 | jaggz- | just found page mentioning it might be in unstable.. was about to edit apt.. but I'll read that page first |
| 09:19.29 | jaggz- | ah, experimental .. hmm.. |
| 09:19.36 | dutchfish | Balsaq, the q is if you need those prop drivers, maybe not, it depends what card you have |
| 09:19.50 | jaggz- | hey, this is a cool page dutchfish.. haven't seen it before.. |
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| 09:20.50 | dutchfish | jaggz-, yep all the info about packages can be found through packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 09:21.39 | runa_ | hi is there a way to use a shell program with a proxy? in particular i want to use slimrat |
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| 09:23.26 | jaggz- | hm.. I'd imagine building from source would have a hell of a lot of -dev dependencies I really don't want to install |
| 09:23.49 | dutchfish | jaggz-, yep it can be done, but i rather stick to iceweasel |
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| 09:24.09 | jaggz- | current stable you mean |
| 09:24.14 | dutchfish | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 09:24.15 | judd | dutchfish: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.14-1 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 experimental: 3.5.3-1 |
| 09:24.35 | jaggz- | judd, can't find an experimental binary though, only source.. ? |
| 09:24.36 | judd | jaggz-: Error: "can't" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:24.44 | jaggz- | err, dutchfish.. |
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| 09:25.07 | jaggz- | it's okay, I'll just go back to my development.. I'm just so sick of css that I wanted to start in css3 |
| 09:25.44 | dutchfish | jaggz-, i use firebug in iceweasel for that or nvu |
| 09:26.47 | dutchfish | jaggz-, there are others as well |
| 09:27.16 | jaggz- | okay, installing firebug.. might replace web dev toolbar |
| 09:27.28 | jaggz- | not sure if this gives me css3 which is still in development I believe. |
| 09:27.37 | dutchfish | jaggz-, you can use both np |
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| 09:30.51 | dutchfish | jaggz-, if you are patient when 3.5 hits testing, it will prolly backported also, its not that stable atm |
| 09:31.10 | jaggz- | nod.. thanks. might as well wait.. just so sick of wasting time with css layout being so retarded. |
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| 09:31.56 | jaggz- | how can I code up advanced software quickly? |
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| 09:32.08 | jaggz- | like AI/neural network software |
| 09:33.02 | kaduk | is it possible to downgrade to mesa 7.5 in debian |
| 09:33.06 | kaduk | ? |
| 09:33.06 | dutchfish | jaggz-, depends on your needs the is a miriad of laguages my favorts for that would an objective language, you old delve into lisaac ;) |
| 09:33.21 | kaduk | anyone has those binaries? |
| 09:33.46 | dutchfish | s/old/could |
| 09:34.22 | dutchfish | kaduk, wich debian version? |
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| 09:35.33 | dutchfish | jaggz-, http://isaacproject.u-strasbg.fr/ |
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| 09:37.32 | jaggz- | I presently code in C and perl mostly |
| 09:37.36 | jaggz- | done a bit of c++ recently |
| 09:37.36 | syslq78 | Guys I prefer gnome but it feels like kde has better app set. How is running kde apps on gnome? Do they crash? |
| 09:37.50 | jaggz- | dunno.. I love kde though |
| 09:37.54 | syslq78 | Some of them are better I mean, like kdenlive and k3b |
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| 09:38.35 | dutchfish | jaggz-, for that kind of work you might better of with c++, but then again you choose what you are comfortable with and gives the best results, it totally depends on your needs |
| 09:38.58 | jaggz- | yeah, i was trying c++ and wxwidgets so I could code more portably |
| 09:40.12 | jaggz- | and for web dev.. dunno still |
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| 09:40.59 | dutchfish | jaggz-, http://www.micahcarrick.com/09-28-2007/web-development-linux.html |
| 09:42.11 | jaggz- | heh, thanks.. |
| 09:42.13 | jaggz- | I just edit in vi |
| 09:42.16 | jaggz- | (vim) |
| 09:42.16 | dutchfish | yw |
| 09:42.36 | dutchfish | jaggz-, i use geany alot too |
| 09:42.45 | jaggz- | but I'm stuck with C on the server side and a custom server-side script language |
| 09:43.03 | dutchfish | !eclipse |
| 09:43.03 | dpkg | i guess eclipse is the end of the world, or an extensible IDE written in Java, packaged for Debian. http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ http://www.eclipse.org/ #eclipse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:43.36 | JyZyXEL | how do you read GPU temperature? |
| 09:43.38 | jaggz- | I installed eclipse when looking at android development |
| 09:44.03 | dutchfish | jaggz-, there ar eplugs for php and c and the like in it |
| 09:44.11 | jaggz- | cool, I like geany's symbol panel |
| 09:44.24 | dutchfish | jaggz-, yep, nice and tidy |
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| 09:46.07 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, sorry i have no idee, intresting q |
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| 09:51.07 | xeberdee | Total newbie to debian. Running at tty. Where to change the screen resolution that the tty runs? (I can't see a browser to find the answer myself) |
| 09:51.24 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, the only thing i found was aticonfig --od-gettemperature |
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| 09:52.46 | dutchfish | xeberdee, on the console? |
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| 09:54.24 | xeberdee | dutchfish: yep - I installed elinks but >I can't really see the pages well enough to surf an answer |
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| 09:54.51 | xeberdee | dutchfish: so I want to run console at 1920x1200 |
| 09:54.56 | dutchfish | xeberdee, mm.. maybe at i kline vga=[vga mode] |
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| 09:55.20 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish: but thats fglrx stuff |
| 09:55.24 | xeberdee | what is i kline? |
| 09:55.27 | dutchfish | xeberdee, i dont know if that possible but vga mode does it |
| 09:55.46 | dustybin | i need to setup ssh keys on 2x remote hosts, is it possible to use the same keys for each host? |
| 09:55.51 | dutchfish | xeberdee, the kernelline in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:56.28 | dutchfish | dustybin, possible but unwise |
| 09:56.39 | xeberdee | dutchfish: Ok. do you know the syntax vga=1920x1200@32hz or something |
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| 09:56.59 | dustybin | ok |
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| 09:57.37 | xyan_ | xeberdee: vga only wants a mode try vga=791 |
| 09:57.53 | jaggz- | dusty, why?? |
| 09:57.58 | xyan_ | xeberdee: if you specify something wrong grub will notice that and query for valid vesa modes |
| 09:58.12 | JyZyXEL | vga=ask |
| 09:58.21 | dutchfish | xeberdee, or http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 09:58.28 | JyZyXEL | also i think grub wants vesa modes in decimal |
| 09:59.10 | xeberdee | xyan_: ty |
| 09:59.12 | xeberdee | dutchfish: ty |
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| 09:59.17 | jaggz- | console doesn't work based on pixel sizes does it? I believe you specify a mode which selects the character width/height? would be nice to know about this, although I really almost never work in console anymore, and when I do I can suffer with the comfort of 80x25 :) |
| 09:59.41 | jaggz- | used to be able to use svgatextmode but in recent times I couldn't get it to work. |
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| 10:00.11 | jaggz- | (kinda lame actually.. seems like switching text modes would be nuthin' special) |
| 10:00.17 | xyan_ | sooner or later kernel mode setting will superseed all that framebuffer mess |
| 10:00.51 | JyZyXEL | KMS is coming... when its ready |
| 10:01.02 | valdyn | jaggz-: theres text modes and pixel modes |
| 10:01.08 | xyan | using it on my i915, works plenty |
| 10:01.13 | valdyn | jaggz-: i dont really know if the text modes are still used at all |
| 10:01.38 | valdyn | jaggz-: every gfx card can do vesa modes in console with vesafb |
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| 10:03.23 | valdyn | !uvesa |
| 10:03.26 | valdyn | !uxvesa |
| 10:03.29 | valdyn | oo |
| 10:03.40 | dutchfish | valdyn, i was searching for that one too, its lost |
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| 10:05.07 | valdyn | !uvesafb |
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| 10:09.30 | lvh | hm |
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| 10:10.04 | lvh | Apparently new firmware breaks iwlwifi WEP/WPAx for 5100 (Shiloh) cards. I've googled a lot and found similar yet subtly different problems. |
| 10:10.08 | lvh | Anyone having any issues with that card? |
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| 10:10.41 | lvh | Unencrypted networks work fine, encrypted networks *appear* to associate fine but no data can be transmitted (+ speed permanently at 1Mbps) |
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| 10:16.14 | mutante | trying: install lenny on Acer Aspire Revo 3600 nettop (first with nVidia ION stuff). used: USB stick with lenny hd-media boot.img and debian-503-i386-businesscard.iso. Graphical expert installer. Fails at detecting network hardware. No Ethernet card found. lspci says: nVidia CorporationMCP79 Ethernet rev.b1., its supposed to be gigabit. somebody on debian wiki with the same NIC but on HP Firebird802 marked ethernet as OK though |
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| 10:18.46 | dutchfish | mutante, is that NX31XX ? |
| 10:18.58 | dutchfish | mutante, or NC31XX ? |
| 10:19.21 | mutante | dutchfish: ehm, you are refering to the version of the Acer Aspire Revo? |
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| 10:19.42 | dutchfish | mutante, yep, i used boot.kernel.org for that one, and that worked |
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| 10:19.53 | mutante | dutchfish: where should i check that..ok.. trying |
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| 10:21.37 | mutante | hmm, i cant seem to find a label like that on the hardware.. do i need to check with software? |
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| 10:22.31 | dutchfish | mutante, i was reffering to the module, but you need a quiet new kernel for thta one, again try th eboot.kernel.org method first otherwise a kmuto one |
| 10:22.48 | mutante | ok, thanks |
| 10:22.52 | dutchfish | boot.kernel.org* |
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| 10:22.58 | dutchfish | sorry for typos |
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| 10:26.09 | Kai4711 | hi guys... i have trouble bringing up eth1 (2nd network card in virtualbox) with static ip |
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| 10:26.26 | Kai4711 | if i do a network restart it says everything is ok |
| 10:26.38 | Kai4711 | but when i do ifconfig eth1 nothing happend |
| 10:26.40 | Kai4711 | (no ip) |
| 10:27.23 | dutchfish | Kai4711, man ifconfig |
| 10:27.42 | Kai4711 | yes shure... but i dont get the error |
| 10:28.05 | dutchfish | Kai4711, of couse not because ifconfig eth1 restes adapter without ip address |
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| 10:28.20 | dutchfish | s/restes/resets |
| 10:29.11 | dutchfish | its either /etc/init.d/networking restart if you are using dhcp, or setup static network in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:30.29 | Kai4711 | yes i set up static in /etc/network interfaces für eth1 and dhcp for eth0 |
| 10:30.34 | Kai4711 | eth0 works fine |
| 10:30.39 | Kai4711 | eth1 doesnt get it |
| 10:30.47 | dutchfish | Kai4711, oculd you pastebin interfaces? |
| 10:30.51 | Kai4711 | yes |
| 10:30.53 | Kai4711 | one minute |
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| 10:30.54 | dutchfish | soculd/could |
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| 10:33.41 | Kai4711 | http://pastebin.com/d4cfb6dae |
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| 10:34.51 | dutchfish | Kai4711, mm.. is the module for the card loaded ? |
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| 10:35.23 | Kai4711 | how can i check it? (its the same driver as eth0 which is working) |
| 10:35.37 | dutchfish | Kai4711, you could examine the output of dmesg and lspci |
| 10:37.13 | dutchfish | Kai4711, lspci only shows you hardware info not if the driver got load and the nic got binded that should be in dmesg |
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| 10:39.53 | Kai4711 | dutchfish, -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 10:40.08 | dutchfish | Kai4711, schrugh, you have ran that as root? |
| 10:40.18 | Kai4711 | yes, i am logged in as root |
| 10:40.48 | Kai4711 | its a fresh debian on Sun VirtualBox |
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| 10:40.58 | dutchfish | Kai4711, dpkg -l | grep pciutils |
| 10:41.06 | dutchfish | Kai4711, is it installed? |
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| 10:41.39 | dutchfish | Kai4711, oh ok |
| 10:42.05 | dutchfish | Kai4711, then is your nic assigned too that virtual machine? |
| 10:42.31 | Kai4711 | yes its a virtual nic |
| 10:42.55 | adb | Kai4711, virtual machine support TWO nics ? |
| 10:43.00 | dutchfish | Kai4711, what debian version is your host? |
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| 10:43.12 | Kai4711 | eth0 is for virtual NAT (Internet for the VM) and eth1 is host-only connection (like a cable between VM and Host) |
| 10:43.22 | Kai4711 | my Host is a brand new Windows 7 :-) |
| 10:43.44 | Kai4711 | but under Windows i have the "other Side" of that virtual cable |
| 10:43.54 | dutchfish | Kai4711, yeh, i suspected that, networking is quiet broken on that one |
| 10:43.57 | Kai4711 | Virtual Nic |
| 10:44.28 | dutchfish | Kai4711, at least for running virtual pc |
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| 10:44.43 | dutchfish | Kai4711, i am afraid i can not help you on that one |
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| 10:45.30 | Kai4711 | ok thank you! |
| 10:45.32 | Kai4711 | very much |
| 10:46.17 | adb | Kai4711, > #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 10:46.34 | gorp | squeeze rulez |
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| 10:47.34 | gasg | hello |
| 10:47.37 | gorp | hello |
| 10:47.57 | gasg | I've installed debian from cd1, but there's no network-manager or wicd |
| 10:48.07 | zleap | hmm |
| 10:48.09 | zleap | dhclient |
| 10:48.14 | zleap | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:48.15 | cafaro | Hi, I'm trying to get Debian 5 working with my Toshiba notebook, first time I booted up Debian after a successful installation, all i got was a black screen, so I used an ubuntu live CD with safe graphics mode to add Driver "vesa" to xorg.conf, when I booted debian, everything worked, no I'd like to install the driver for my ATI card: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.5&lang=English |
| 10:48.19 | gasg | how do I configure my wifi connection without it with static ip? |
| 10:48.28 | zleap | iwconfig |
| 10:48.30 | zleap | i think |
| 10:48.38 | gasg | ok |
| 10:48.45 | gasg | thanks |
| 10:48.48 | zleap | np |
| 10:48.53 | dutchfish | adb, fyi it should work, but it does not up till 2.6.31, i am tesing with 2.6.32-rc1 and have halve broken setups running, its too premature in win7 |
| 10:49.05 | gorp | wifi can be tricky to configure |
| 10:49.37 | cafaro | Installation went fine, I removed the Vesa driver from my X config file, rebooted, and now X won't work.. |
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| 10:49.56 | gorp | mocp won't run anymore under squeeze |
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| 10:55.58 | tawan | hi - anyone on Openbox with Iceweasel? You can undecorate but it is impossible to launch undecorated. This works on every app i've tried except for Iceweasel and I can't think why.. |
| 10:56.18 | gorp | hit F11 |
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| 10:57.27 | tawan | gorp, yes I can use manual methods but iceweasel is the only app i can't set to just do it from the off |
| 10:58.39 | gorp | tawan, avoid both decoration and mouse : ratpoison |
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| 11:00.51 | tawan | gorp, interesting but I'm happy with openbox and the way I have it working, just a curiosity that iceweasel behaves differently to all other apps |
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| 11:04.25 | dutchfish | tawan, take a peak at about:config in iceweasel ;) |
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| 11:06.39 | tawan | dutchfish, i'm not sure the issue is at that level unless you know otherwise. It seems to be more how it interacts with the Window Manager ?? |
| 11:07.10 | dutchfish | tawan, ah ok, i thought you where reffering to kiosk mode |
| 11:07.50 | tawan | i can specify the name in openbox rc.xml and say to open undecorated with all apps, but for iceweasel |
| 11:08.12 | tawan | iceweasel has name "Navigator" and class "Iceweasel" but most other apps have name "name" and class "Name" e.g gedit Gedit -- it seems to break convention |
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| 11:10.09 | dutchfish | i dont know exctly what you are after but maybe this: http://foosel.org/linux/devilspie |
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| 11:12.02 | tawan | devilspie and wmctrl both promise results, devilspie more so, but the feature is built into openbox and works on all apps but for iceweasel - just a curiosity and minor iritation :) |
| 11:12.20 | dutchfish | nods |
| 11:12.55 | macrobat | can wmctrl remove decorations? i didnt find that in the man page |
| 11:13.24 | tawan | macrobat, no |
| 11:13.29 | tawan | strokes beard whist staring at frozen ferret |
| 11:13.31 | dutchfish | it souldnt |
| 11:14.02 | macrobat | tawan: maybe iceweasel has a .desktop file you can edit to fix name and class stuff |
| 11:14.13 | tawan | macrobat, nice call |
| 11:14.18 | tawan | looks |
| 11:15.50 | tawan | not sure if it helps the situation but i'll play a while and report back |
| 11:16.22 | Caelum | hello, mutt isn't launching iceweasel for my html attachments anymore, how do I fix it |
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| 11:17.57 | macrobat | Caelum: maybe update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 11:18.36 | macrobat | i dont know mutt |
| 11:19.26 | Caelum | it's using it's builtin viewer (without translating the html) |
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| 11:22.11 | macrobat | kde4 issue: i lost the right-click on desktop menu, now i cant change desktop settings like wallpaper or view icons :( |
| 11:22.13 | xeon-enouf | tawan: hrm .. |
| 11:22.49 | xeon-enouf | tawan: have you yet managed to add icepoop to your ob right-click menu? |
| 11:22.56 | xeon-enouf | tawan: i have ;-O |
| 11:23.09 | xeon-enouf | i call it Web shithead browser |
| 11:23.43 | tawan | xeon-enouf, it's in my menu yes, and keyboard shortcuts - but I don't have the exotic name you do :D |
| 11:23.55 | dutchfish | Caelum, have you tried ~/.mailcap editing . Something like text/html; iceweasel %s; nametemplate=%s.html; test=ps -C X 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null ? |
| 11:24.05 | xeon-enouf | tawan: let me see if i can launch it without decs |
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| 11:27.26 | xeon-enouf | tawan: heh, what a dump, i went file > new window, then title bar > Undecorate, then couldn't move the window where i wanted and then couldn't figure out how to close it..so i went File > Quit .. and it killed my original window too :-( |
| 11:27.29 | Caelum | dutchfish: yup |
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| 11:27.47 | Caelum | dutchfish: I hit v and enter on the html attachment, right? |
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| 11:28.17 | dutchfish | scratches head, that was a long time ago he used mutt |
| 11:29.02 | xeon-enouf | thank goodness for Session manager - heh |
| 11:29.02 | dutchfish | Caelum, if am not mistaken you can tab to it, and enter |
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| 11:30.01 | k-man | something strange happend to my sshd, sshing into my box just hangs after typing in the password, and killall -9 sshd also just hangs |
| 11:30.25 | dutchfish | Caelum, btw edits on .mailcap gets only activ eon the next login or a new console |
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| 11:31.14 | tawan | no joy then xeon-enouf ? |
| 11:31.29 | xeon-enouf | tawan: you realize it's ($ file /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel) a sh script, right? |
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| 11:31.38 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:31.49 | tawan | xeon-enouf, no |
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| 11:32.25 | xeon-enouf | well, now you know - edit to your liking ;-) |
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| 11:32.47 | tawan | cool xeon-enouf will take a look |
| 11:32.58 | macaruchi | HI , I have a dell server with 12gb but debian etch just recognize 3.6gb |
| 11:33.17 | dutchfish | macaruchi, either run 64bit or the big kernel version |
| 11:33.17 | Caelum | macrobat: use bigmem kernel |
| 11:33.24 | bzrk | macaruchi: or a 64bit debian |
| 11:33.39 | DexterF | I got a printer driver deb from Brother, but it's i386, I run amd64. dpkg refuses to install it, Brother website says "ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ is required to be installed." so I installed, but still I'm stuck with dpkg. help? |
| 11:33.54 | macaruchi | i need to reinstall another kernel so |
| 11:34.01 | Caelum | DexterF: dpkg --force-architecture -i foo.deb |
| 11:34.03 | DexterF | marcriera: if you can go for 64bit |
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| 11:34.06 | dutchfish | macaruchi, prolly yes |
| 11:34.18 | DexterF | Caelum: will that mess with the apt database? |
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| 11:34.31 | Caelum | DexterF: it won't do any harm |
| 11:34.41 | DexterF | Caelum: awesome, thanks |
| 11:34.48 | macaruchi | so what is much better 64 bits or bigmem kernel |
| 11:34.54 | dutchfish | macaruchi, 64 bit |
| 11:34.57 | Caelum | macaruchi: 64bit! |
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| 11:35.24 | macaruchi | 64 bit wi;llbe |
| 11:35.28 | dutchfish | macaruchi, but your hardware must of course suppor tit |
| 11:35.29 | xeon-enouf | macaruchi: try the amd64 kernel; |
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| 11:35.57 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: 64bit kernel with 32bit userland? oO |
| 11:36.07 | xeon-enouf | macaruchi: unless you have a 32bit CPU, which i doubt, but possible |
| 11:36.19 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: yes |
| 11:36.19 | dutchfish | bzrk, untrue |
| 11:36.40 | Caelum | macaruchi: look for the 'lm' flag in flags in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:36.46 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: the inverse, no |
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| 11:37.06 | xeon-enouf | indeed Caelum |
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| 11:37.51 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: i just would not recommend that, instead he would be better of with a fresh install |
| 11:38.04 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 11:39.53 | dutchfish | .coffee xeon-enouf |
| 11:40.00 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: recommend what? |
| 11:40.03 | dutchfish | !coffee xeon-enouf |
| 11:40.03 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Tanzanian for xeon-enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 11:40.07 | dutchfish | ther you go |
| 11:40.19 | xeon-enouf | gracias dutchfish ;-) |
| 11:40.27 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: and why not? |
| 11:40.58 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: 32bit software actually runs faster in some instances ;-0 |
| 11:41.34 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: much better choice than -bigmem and PAE :-) |
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| 11:42.06 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: because it would mean endless hassle |
| 11:42.23 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: just imagine keeping a clean compile environment |
| 11:42.25 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: what? ...when? why? how? |
| 11:42.51 | macaruchi | xeon-enouf: It is a dell server with 2 procesors HT |
| 11:42.52 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, i am not quiet sure baout that, that much mem would be a server, for that 64bit nowadays is quiet much faster |
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| 11:43.19 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: if it would make sense and be an advantage, it would be default |
| 11:43.22 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: who's compiling? and besides, that's a non-issue - and besides that -- debootstrap to the rescue |
| 11:43.41 | macaruchi | well, i will compile |
| 11:44.00 | macaruchi | this server just has one service Postgres database |
| 11:44.01 | xeon-enouf | macaruchi: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo and pastebin it |
| 11:44.08 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: errr if you want to debootstrap you can clena reinstall anyways |
| 11:45.07 | dutchfish | macaruchi, anything the needs alot of math/cpu cycles is generally faster in 64 bit with latest kernel, for a desktop that would be something completely different |
| 11:45.09 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: right - so .. i think it's more of an issue to consider upgrading from Etch, rather than be concerned about amd64 kernel w/32bit (i386) userspace |
| 11:45.32 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: indeed |
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| 11:46.29 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: but there's no reason to 'reinstall' .. unless he wants to - in the meantime, he could debootstrap an installation using amd64 arch and compare |
| 11:46.38 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: it adds overhead, it adds possible breakage waiting to happen in unsuspected places, its pointless, its non-standard |
| 11:46.59 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: in fact there is no reason on a server to run a bitmixed environment |
| 11:47.10 | xeon-enouf | it's not non-standard - there's only 4-8bits more! |
| 11:47.42 | xeon-enouf | it's not even 64bit yet, heh |
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| 11:47.58 | bzrk | xeon-enouf: yah ill leave you debating a point for the sake of debate here :P |
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| 11:48.18 | xeon-enouf | it's 40 |
| 11:48.18 | xeon-enouf | at best - 36 many times |
| 11:48.47 | xeon-enouf | macaruchi: i suggest you disable HT in your BIOS, and let the SMP-aware kernels do their thing |
| 11:48.56 | xeon-enouf | bzrk: attaboy ;-) |
| 11:49.03 | xeon-enouf | macaruchi: pastebin? |
| 11:49.31 | dutchfish | well, common sence says, do it the debian way, my 2 cents, start with a fresh install and save yourself the burdne of making mistakes along the process, if you have alot of apt-fu, then go ahead use debootstrap |
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| 11:50.32 | tawan | xeon-enouf, by the testicles of zeus!! I solved it!! |
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| 11:51.56 | xeon-enouf | tawan: oh? |
| 11:52.26 | xeon-enouf | tawan: i prefer the mammaries of bathsheeba! |
| 11:53.01 | tawan | xeon-enouf, well,not 100% solved but if i use name="*" then all apps including frozen ferret open undecorated, so it is possible at lease |
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| 11:55.14 | xeon-enouf | tawan: ok .. where though? |
| 11:55.51 | tawan | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.57 | tawan | rc.xml |
| 11:56.10 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.30 | xeon-enouf | oh. and where is that file? in /etc/ ? |
| 11:56.30 | tawan | ~/.openbox/rc.xml |
| 11:56.35 | xeon-enouf | ahh |
| 11:56.45 | jaws | xeon-enouf: this is my cpu |
| 11:56.47 | jaws | info |
| 11:56.50 | jaws | http://pastebin.com/m66d910c0 |
| 11:56.54 | xeon-enouf | tawan: i think one might want to try .config/* too ? |
| 11:56.58 | jaws | for 12gb ram |
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| 11:57.21 | xeon-enouf | jaws: werre you macaruchi ? |
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| 11:57.44 | jaws | i am the same person but i was disconetec |
| 11:57.59 | jaws | so i cant go in with the same nick |
| 11:58.05 | tawan | xeon-enouf, yup i typed that wrong it is ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 11:58.30 | jaws | i use etch4 but I want to move lenny |
| 11:58.40 | jaws | now |
| 11:58.42 | xeon-enouf | jaws: ok - well, i see the 'lm' flag as Caelum mentioned, so they're 64bit CPUs |
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| 11:58.54 | xeon-enouf | jaws: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:59.31 | jaws | i thought begin a clear installation from lenny and recompile postgres |
| 11:59.39 | xeon-enouf | jaws: and i also see the 'ht' flag (hyperthreading), and that's why there's 4 CPUs listed, when only 2 physical ones exist |
| 11:59.51 | xeon-enouf | jaws: you could, sure |
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| 12:00.21 | jaws | is HT 2 fisical processors and 4 HT |
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| 12:00.32 | vinc | hello.. i need to launch gnucash using a locale which is different from the one defaulted in my system. On command line I do this by typing "LANG=it_IT.UTF8 gnucash". How should I modify the entry in the Applications Menu to do the same thing? Thanks |
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| 12:01.39 | jaws | so the most recommendable is move to lenny changing my repor and using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:02.32 | jaws | and reinstall another kernel |
| 12:02.39 | jaws | 64 bits kernel |
| 12:03.03 | xeon-enouf | jaws: kind of, but .. |
| 12:03.07 | fatalerrors | i have a manually runned dhcp server (using dhcpd3)... how can i stop it properly? |
| 12:03.21 | xeon-enouf | !+tell jaws about etch->lenny |
| 12:03.22 | dpkg | told jaws about etch->lenny (Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.) |
| 12:03.39 | vinc | no one? |
| 12:03.44 | xeon-enouf | relax |
| 12:04.17 | xeon-enouf | what's an Applications Menu? |
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| 12:04.54 | vinc | xeon-enouf: the gnome menu.. Applications -> Office -> Gnucash |
| 12:04.55 | xeon-enouf | you might want to set that in your System > Preferences > Sessions > |
| 12:05.32 | xeon-enouf | vinc: definitely somewhere in your /home/username/. dotfiles |
| 12:05.50 | xeon-enouf | also check out gconf-editor |
| 12:05.58 | xeon-enouf | and gconftool-2 ? |
| 12:06.07 | dutchfish | vinc, what about /etc/gnucash/config |
| 12:06.16 | jaws | xeon-enouf: Thks!!! |
| 12:06.54 | vinc | dutchfish, xeon-enouf: trying, tkank you for your ads |
| 12:07.08 | xeon-enouf | jaws: welcome - you can easily msg the bot yourself ;-) |
| 12:07.09 | CrazyEddy | Hmmmmm. I think I've found a package bug. |
| 12:07.47 | xeon-enouf | CrazyEddy: i just finally tossed a turntable i bought from you in the 80s |
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| 12:08.53 | CrazyEddy | The package tct and secvpn depend on timeout which coreutils conflicts with but really provides. |
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| 12:09.36 | Fare | hum. I upgraded my debian from last year's testing to this year (for kde4) and now the keyboard is funky, the machine won't autosuspend when I close it, the fonts are either too big or too small. |
| 12:10.13 | CrazyEddy | xeon-enouf: I get that a lot. |
| 12:10.26 | Fare | I tried disabling xkb and hal for the keyboard, but now konsole reverses alt and meta. |
| 12:10.37 | Fare | (or de-reverses it if you prefer) |
| 12:10.39 | CrazyEddy | xeon-enouf: Did it actually fail or just go out of fashion? |
| 12:10.51 | xeon-enouf | it failed |
| 12:10.55 | Fare | (since it counts the "Alt" key as "Alt" instead of "Meta") |
| 12:10.57 | xeon-enouf | the motor died |
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| 12:11.29 | xeon-enouf | CrazyEddy: it was a Dual, and i used to impress via playing albums upside down :-P |
| 12:11.53 | xeon-enouf | yes, w/turntable inverted ;-) |
| 12:12.05 | CrazyEddy | Hahah. |
| 12:12.10 | xeon-enouf | Fare: you could set thosein xorg.conf |
| 12:12.37 | jareth_ | guys: what happended to killall in lenny? |
| 12:12.51 | xeon-enouf | chick magnet - they thought i was magical :-) |
| 12:12.59 | mesa_booger | jareth_: do you have a problem with it ? |
| 12:13.10 | xeon-enouf | (and i am, but that's besides the point) |
| 12:13.24 | Fare | set what? |
| 12:13.26 | jareth_ | don't like it that I need to find pid before I can kill a process |
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| 12:13.40 | xeon-enouf | Fare: your Alt/Meta/CapLocks, etc |
| 12:13.55 | mesa_booger | jareth_: killall firefox-bin works, for example. you don't need a pid |
| 12:13.56 | jareth_ | it's not installed by default or something? |
| 12:14.07 | Fare | xev says that Alt is Meta, as the Devil made it decades ago. |
| 12:14.20 | Fare | it's konsole that's konfused |
| 12:14.25 | jareth_ | bash: killall: command not found |
| 12:14.28 | mesa_booger | jareth_: psmisc package |
| 12:14.31 | xeon-enouf | Fare: so bug the kde devs |
| 12:14.35 | Fare | xterm agrees with me |
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| 12:14.36 | jareth_ | thanks!! |
| 12:15.23 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: jaws how about pkill ;-) |
| 12:15.36 | xeon-enouf | er, not you jaws , i meant jareth_ |
| 12:15.49 | jareth_ | mesa_booger: you made my day :D |
| 12:16.03 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: as in /msg dpkg consolekit must die ;-) |
| 12:16.30 | jareth_ | xeon-enouf: too old to learn new tricks, to be honest, totally forgot about that one ;) |
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| 12:17.36 | tawan | xeon-enouf, solved name="firefox-bin" nothing to do with iceweasel |
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| 12:18.03 | xeon-enouf | jareth_: heh |
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| 12:18.20 | jareth_ | is thinking about deinstalling psmisc now ;) |
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| 12:18.42 | xeon-enouf | FWIW, pkill is in procps pkg |
| 12:19.02 | Krauser | hi, how do i make it possible that non-root users be able to set cpu affinity |
| 12:19.28 | jareth_ | and installed by default :D |
| 12:19.36 | asg | Krauser: sudo + custom wrapper |
| 12:19.46 | Krauser | asg i cant use sudo |
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| 12:19.59 | asg | Krauser: why not? |
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| 12:20.08 | Krauser | asg security concerns |
| 12:20.14 | streuner_ | ask root then :-) |
| 12:20.14 | Krauser | i m not willing to give every user root acess |
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| 12:20.36 | asg | Krauser: you don't need to, you give them the ability to run one custom script as root ... by using sudo |
| 12:20.40 | mesa_booger | jareth_: if you're ever feeling blue, just ask me another, and i'll make your day for you |
| 12:20.42 | xeon-enouf | tawan: righto - yes, ps auxf shows you that ;-) |
| 12:20.53 | xeon-enouf | tawan: i like pstree, etc instead |
| 12:21.00 | Krauser | asg any other way than sudo . . . . i m sure there will be problems regarding sudo |
| 12:21.07 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: hahaha |
| 12:21.26 | Fare | does no one in debian use kde and konsole??? |
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| 12:21.39 | Fare | I can't believe this is a bug that no one filed already |
| 12:21.41 | asg | Krauser: write it in C and make it setuid root <------ it is crap like this that is one reason why sudo exists. |
| 12:21.47 | xeon-enouf | jareth_: no no - pstree is in there ! :-) |
| 12:21.58 | Krauser | ok will try |
| 12:22.06 | xeon-enouf | jareth_: and pstree.x11 :-P try pstree -lunap |
| 12:22.29 | xeon-enouf | Fare: nope, we all gave up on it :-p |
| 12:22.43 | xeon-enouf | asg: heh |
| 12:23.04 | Caelum | Fare: console is ass, try rxvt-unicode-ml with the 256 color patch |
| 12:23.14 | Fare | does it have tabs? |
| 12:23.19 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: s/console/konsole |
| 12:23.21 | Caelum | it does with a plugin |
| 12:23.24 | Caelum | xeon-enouf: yeah sorry |
| 12:23.25 | Fare | I adopted konsole because of its tabs |
| 12:23.34 | xeon-enouf | Fare: mxrvt does ;-) |
| 12:23.35 | Caelum | and it has url click support |
| 12:23.51 | xeon-enouf | Fare: i'm using it here |
| 12:24.10 | xeon-enouf | but it's not unicode, so .. |
| 12:24.13 | Fare | apt-get install mrxvt |
| 12:24.21 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 12:24.41 | Fare | which has better unicode support? mrxvt or mrxvt-cjk or what? |
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| 12:24.56 | Caelum | Fare: dude, urxvt has a tabbed plugin |
| 12:25.01 | xeon-enouf | Fare: what i really miss is klipper and searching past paste buffers :-( |
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| 12:25.10 | Caelum | uses klipper |
| 12:25.14 | Fare | I don't see a urxvt in apt-cache |
| 12:25.21 | Caelum | Fare: rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 12:25.27 | xeon-enouf | Fare: i'm trying to get parcellite to work ... it's not cooperating though |
| 12:25.41 | Fare | does the plugin come with the debian package? |
| 12:26.14 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: how about that 256color patch? one compiles for it? |
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| 12:26.24 | xeon-enouf | apt-get source rxvt-unicode-ml ? |
| 12:26.28 | Fare | what's parcellite ? |
| 12:26.42 | xeon-enouf | Fare: apt-cache show parcellite |
| 12:27.17 | Caelum | xeon-enouf: unfortunately yeah, it's in doc/ in the source, have to rebuild the package |
| 12:27.20 | xeon-enouf | Fare: but since you have kde/klipper, for you it's a non-issue |
| 12:27.40 | DexterF | by pure coincidence someone here who knows how to get a Brother MFC-425CN printing? installed Brother's driver, no go. |
| 12:28.12 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: not a problem for me ;-) |
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| 12:29.37 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: is CUPS installed and cupsd running? |
| 12:29.52 | DexterF | xeon-enouf: yup. |
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| 12:30.33 | Fare | hey, I'm not sure I *want* kde |
| 12:30.48 | Fare | I used to be quite happy with fvwm2 |
| 12:31.05 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: did you dpkg-reconfigure cups ? maybe you need the *bsd* related pkgs? Have you gone to http://localhost:631 ? |
| 12:31.06 | Fare | (but somehow it looks like my fvwm config has bitrotten while I was using KDE) |
| 12:31.22 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: tried to print a test page? |
| 12:31.53 | Fare | One of my reason for installing KDE was to be able to have the same configuration as my parents / SO so I could support them. |
| 12:32.07 | mesa_booger | DexterF: have you set the printer as the default printer with cups ? use browser to go to cups web admin - http://localhost:631/ |
| 12:32.46 | xeon-enouf | Fare: apt-get -s install klipper --> 23 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 3 to remove and :-( |
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| 12:33.10 | xeon-enouf | kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libclucene0ldbl libphonon4 libqt4-dbus .... ugh!!! |
| 12:33.30 | xeon-enouf | wonders which of those are metapackages which pull in 5000 others |
| 12:33.39 | Caelum | Fare, xeon-enouf: here are some .Xdefaults I use: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/34529 |
| 12:34.07 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: i think i have one - one sec ;-) |
| 12:34.30 | pistache | With dhclient, what does the word "sleeping" in " No working leases in database directory - sleeping" mean ? Is the client going to ask another time ? |
| 12:34.44 | pistache | Like after 240 seconds |
| 12:34.51 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: ahh ,i've a .mrxvtrc |
| 12:35.02 | DexterF | xeon-enouf, mesa_booger : laserjet prints fine from same cups |
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| 12:35.46 | mesa_booger | DexterF: then just do whatever you did to make that work ... |
| 12:36.26 | DexterF | mesa_booger: well, I told it "hey lj4 on address 192... with lj4 driver, print" |
| 12:36.36 | DexterF | thats it |
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| 12:36.49 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: well .. the laserjets usually have much better support (as far as PPD files)atleast for HP, from what i can tell |
| 12:36.53 | DexterF | somehow that brother needs some magic rune or whatnot |
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| 12:37.04 | DexterF | xeon-enouf: the driver is from brother themselves |
| 12:37.11 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: i use lpr/lp to print ;-) |
| 12:38.05 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: well, make sure you're not missing other things - like a PPD file, or .. i had to install ALL sortsof hplip, hpjis pkgs for this POFS Deskjet to work |
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| 12:38.09 | Fare | Caelum, thanks |
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| 12:38.49 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: yes, thanks for that nonetheless |
| 12:40.08 | Fare | what's a good lightweight wm these days? what do you use? |
| 12:40.19 | xand | fluxbox |
| 12:40.31 | Arafangion | seconds fluxbox |
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| 12:41.24 | Krauser | hi, how do i make it possible that non-root users be able to set cpu affinity using taskset command ! |
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| 12:41.34 | Arafangion | Fare: If you want one that's also familiar to a windows user, then IceWM is also good. |
| 12:41.58 | Fare | icewm was so ugly last time I tried. My eyes hurt. |
| 12:41.59 | xeon-enouf | Caelum: Fare and here's my .mrxvtrc http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m13f61f1f |
| 12:42.12 | xeon-enouf | Fare: openbox |
| 12:42.46 | xeon-enouf | Fare: yeah, i can't stand chickenscratch looking shit ;-) |
| 12:43.07 | xeon-enouf | like what xfontsel presents to one :-P |
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| 12:44.06 | Caelum | xeon-enouf: cool, thank you |
| 12:44.30 | Fare | I mean, emulating windows 95, only uglier, is no way to seduce me. |
| 12:45.12 | pistache | Fare: awesome |
| 12:45.25 | pistache | Krauser: use sudoers ;) |
| 12:45.35 | pistache | /etc/sudoers, with some NOPASSWD will do the trick |
| 12:45.46 | xeon-enouf | Fare: windows 9x looks much better than what xfontsel presents. you mean 3.1 :-p |
| 12:45.59 | Krauser | pistache, there is an automated script can i make sudo not ask for password and that the proframm be run as the user itself and not as root |
| 12:46.18 | pistache | with sudo the program will be run as root |
| 12:46.22 | Fare | I was using xfontsel before windows 9x existed. At least it has the excuse of anteriority. |
| 12:46.24 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: a) yes, b) no |
| 12:46.36 | pistache | Krauser: man sudoers |
| 12:46.38 | xeon-enouf | indeed |
| 12:46.39 | Krauser | b) :( |
| 12:46.41 | Fare | xfontsel probably predates windows 3.0 |
| 12:46.51 | Krauser | secuirty concerns |
| 12:46.53 | Fare | maybe even windows 2.0 |
| 12:46.56 | pistache | Krauser: i use this trick so that non-root users can shutdown the machine |
| 12:47.14 | oxi | hi |
| 12:47.19 | oxi | I'm trying to install nano: http://pastebin.com/d2f3697ec -> install-info: File /usr/share/info/nano.info not found | dpkg: error processing nano (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 12:47.22 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: you give the user perms, not the app - unless, as asg mentioned you setuid root, which isn't too smart |
| 12:47.27 | oxi | can anyone help me how to fix that? |
| 12:47.40 | Krauser | Ok is it in any way possible that non-root users be given the right to use taskset command ? |
| 12:47.54 | asg | Krauser: yes, using the sudo command |
| 12:48.12 | Krauser | asg i cant use sudo :( thats wat i m trying to say the process cant be run as root |
| 12:48.15 | Krauser | its a security issue |
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| 12:48.36 | mesa_booger | oxi: nano isn't in debain stable btw |
| 12:49.06 | mesa_booger | oxi: oops my mistake. it is |
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| 12:49.27 | mesa_booger | i need to fix the scroll ... |
| 12:49.32 | xeon-enouf | oxi: so comment out that crap in /var/lib/dpkg/info/nano.postinst |
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| 12:50.05 | xeon-enouf | oxi: unless perhaps adding 'config non-free' to your sources.list clears it up |
| 12:50.09 | xeon-enouf | if you want |
| 12:50.24 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions nano |
| 12:50.25 | judd | xeon-enouf: nano -- etch: 2.0.2-1etch1 lenny: 2.0.7-4 sid: 2.0.9-2 squeeze: 2.0.9-2 experimental: 2.1.11-1 |
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| 12:50.38 | oxi | xeon-enouf: thanks a lot! |
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| 12:50.43 | xeon-enouf | i think it's an info pkg thing |
| 12:50.56 | asg | Krauser: setting the cpu affinity of a process requires nothing more than tweaking a few /proc/* files. This is what tasksel does. The security issue is that allowing users to run it as root (because they have to) is that you don't want user a to set affinity for user b or root, etc. That's why you write a wrapper script to verify the user is only setting affinity on a pid that they own before running tasksel on that pid using sudo. |
| 12:51.09 | DexterF | xeon-enouf: partyl success. I made it print a test page from cups, but the print is weird... has a twin shadow half a milliemter to the right |
| 12:51.10 | xeon-enouf | are info pages also not compliant now with GFDL? |
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| 12:51.22 | asg | s/taskel/taskset/ |
| 12:51.30 | xeon-enouf | asg: s/tasksel/taskset ;-) |
| 12:51.33 | Krauser | asg, is that english ? lol i didnt get anything |
| 12:51.34 | xeon-enouf | oops |
| 12:51.46 | asg | Krauser: yes, that was English |
| 12:51.47 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: use windows :-P |
| 12:51.50 | xeon-enouf | runs |
| 12:51.59 | Krauser | goes after him with knife |
| 12:52.43 | Fare | takes xeon-enouf's and Krauser's computers while they are running away. |
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| 12:53.07 | Krauser | came back in time to save his quad core |
| 12:53.13 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: hrm .. adjustments in the printer setup - go through the CUPS control panel - perhaps you have .. er check your PPD file things i suppose - i ain't no printing guru, not by a long stretch :-P |
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| 12:53.50 | xeon-enouf | catches Fare in the act and imposes a dumpster diving sentence upon him |
| 12:54.07 | Fare | how did you guess it was me? |
| 12:54.31 | oxi | xeon-enouf: here's my /var/lib/dpkg/info/nano.postinst : http://pastebin.com/d2fb838d8 ... I'll try commenting out the 3 lines with "install-info --quiet /usr/share/info/nano.info" |
| 12:54.56 | Fare | in any case, I'm on luigi |
| 12:55.30 | xeon-enouf | oxi: right -- do you have 'contrib non-free' in yur /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 12:55.35 | xeon-enouf | your* |
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| 12:55.43 | oxi | xeon-enouf: nope |
| 12:55.46 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 12:56.01 | xeon-enouf | oxi: how are you installing nano? |
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| 12:56.02 | oxi | xeon-enouf: I didn't expect that to be necessary for nano. :-) |
| 12:56.05 | DexterF | xeon-enouf: you're the one who talks to me, that makes you my favorite expert :D |
| 12:56.16 | xeon-enouf | yeah - well - i think it's infopages related |
| 12:56.26 | xeon-enouf | !dfdl |
| 12:56.29 | xeon-enouf | !dfgl |
| 12:56.33 | xeon-enouf | gah |
| 12:56.39 | xeon-enouf | !gfdl |
| 12:56.40 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 12:56.50 | oxi | xeon-enouf: I'm using EmDebian and the nano package is added by default. I did a dist-upgrade and there was this error with nano. |
| 12:57.04 | xeon-enouf | oxi: er.. see #emdebian then please |
| 12:57.15 | oxi | xeon-enouf: EmDebian doesn't have the non-free added by default in sources.list |
| 12:57.16 | oxi | ok |
| 12:57.17 | DexterF | xeon-enouf: there's a ppd file for the 210c (whch brother says is good for the 425) and a ppd for the 420 (which is closest to my 425) |
| 12:58.18 | xeon-enouf | oxi: neither does debian - it's up to the user/admin to decide |
| 12:58.18 | xeon-enouf | DexterF: yeah, i had problems with my "closest" too ;-) |
| 12:58.18 | xeon-enouf | then i found the exact correct one |
| 12:58.18 | xeon-enouf | from some openprinting.org or so |
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| 12:58.29 | morpheuss | lol |
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| 12:59.15 | oxi | xeon-enouf: great, thanks .... then I guess the lenny->sid script has some error for EmDebian. I think it should dist-upgrade without non-free. |
| 12:59.26 | oxi | xeon-enouf: I'll dig deeper into this |
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| 12:59.56 | xeon-enouf | er wtf?@! debhelper? |
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| 13:00.24 | xeon-enouf | feels like stoned/nyle/ajavid/ now ... :-( |
| 13:02.13 | Fare | xeon-enouf, speak about typing speed throttling |
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| 13:02.29 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.04 | asg | xerophyte: you should be able to force a tls connection in exim with an acl |
| 13:05.06 | xeon-enouf | Fare: indeed - and i type fucken s-l-o-w .. like a chimp with one arm |
| 13:05.27 | xeon-enouf | Fare: plus this keyboard sucks ass .. |
| 13:05.35 | xerophyte | asg: the problem is i am not able to get email from other stmp servers |
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| 13:05.55 | Fare | one-armed chimps can type fast. It's just that the result in usually not very interesting. |
| 13:05.57 | xerophyte | asg: can i be specific on the exim acl to do this and that |
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| 13:06.12 | Fare | Now I know a guy with a consulting company named gigamonkeys... |
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| 13:06.46 | xeon-enouf | Fare: if you let me loose ... in 50,000 years, i'll build you a jumbo jet from spare parts |
| 13:06.47 | asg | xerophyte: you should be able to. It might be worth posing the question in #exim also |
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| 13:07.15 | xerophyte | asg: i did ;) everybody is death there ;) |
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| 13:08.24 | xeon-enouf | xerophyte: all i can say, is the acl pkg installed? and i see exim4-config: /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl here from that pkg |
| 13:08.24 | asg | xerophyte: their mailing lists are generally more active. Check the exim faq also since it might be mentioned in there. |
| 13:08.38 | xeon-enouf | and exim4-doc |
| 13:09.13 | xeon-enouf | selinux is another option |
| 13:09.15 | xeon-enouf | hides |
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| 13:12.01 | oxi | xeon-enouf: adding non-free to sources.list didn't help, but commenting out the section in /var/lib/dpkg/info/nano.postinst helped, thanks! |
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| 13:13.29 | xeon-enouf | oxi: heh |
| 13:13.55 | xeon-enouf | oxi: you'd likley have to run apt-get update once you add 'contrib non-free' |
| 13:14.39 | oxi | xeon-enouf: I did the update, but I only added "non-free" not "contrib non-free" :-) |
| 13:14.47 | oxi | maybe that was the trouble |
| 13:14.48 | rgr | xerophyte: whats the issue? exim4 is not listening to incoming emails or? I have an exim4 set up here on a mail server. |
| 13:14.48 | xeon-enouf | oxi: haha |
| 13:15.44 | xeon-enouf | contrib is the path to non-free - somethings are in contrib, some in non-free, but many in non-free have their roots in contrib |
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| 13:16.41 | oxi | xeon-enouf: I see, thanks! |
| 13:16.41 | xeon-enouf | oxi: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free (and now, i can't answer anymore since you're using #emdebian) |
| 13:16.51 | xeon-enouf | np |
| 13:17.11 | xeon-enouf | oxi: would do you good to /msg dpkg reference |
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| 13:21.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:30.02 | hyksos | hi, when i run taskset -c 0 amarok, then run taskset -p amarok-pid then it returns that it runs on cpu 1 ? |
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| 13:32.29 | hyksos | vlt_: mount it and have a look |
| 13:35.05 | boxxertrumps | goodbye. |
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| 13:40.18 | vlt_ | hyksos: I don't understand. Where to look? |
| 13:40.23 | earthian | Hi, is there a way to cleanly remove/purge a broken package or to reinstall it or do whatever to fix this bloody issue: http://www.pastebin.ca/1590556 ? |
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| 13:40.46 | hyksos | vlt_: in your initrd, or where do you want to place your script? |
| 13:40.51 | themill | earthian: just do what it says -- reinstall the package first. |
| 13:41.08 | earthian | it fails to reinstall |
| 13:41.34 | themill | earthian: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f install postgresql-8.3"? |
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| 13:42.23 | earthian | themill, http://www.pastebin.ca/1590558 |
| 13:42.51 | vlt_ | hyksos: I want to run a script in initrd right before it says "waiting for root file system ..." |
| 13:43.50 | hyksos | vlt_: you say ,"i want to run a script in initrd" , then you must place your script there or? |
| 13:43.52 | earthian | so.. now how do i remove everything related to postgres and install it again? :/ |
| 13:43.58 | hyksos | vlt_: you have a initrd? |
| 13:44.08 | mesa_booger | earthian: maybe a bit unrecommended but try deleting /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql pre & post inst & rm files, if all else fails. then try purging and reinstalling. either that, or fix those files up first. sounds like a packaging issue |
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| 13:44.19 | hyksos | vlt_: initrd is the initial-ram-disk |
| 13:44.36 | vlt_ | hyksos: /scripts/{local,init}/{top,bottom,premount}? |
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| 13:44.37 | themill | earthian: is your ultimate goal just to get rid of postgresql? |
| 13:44.44 | vlt_ | hyksos: Where? |
| 13:44.58 | hyksos | vlt_: dont make sense to me, sorry |
| 13:45.00 | earthian | themill, my ultimate goal is to get postgresql working again |
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| 13:46.00 | vlt_ | hyksos: Look in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts. There are several subdirectories. Where to pu t a script I want to run right before the root fs is mounted |
| 13:46.04 | themill_ | earthian: is your ultimate goal just to get rid of postgresql? |
| 13:46.20 | earthian | themill, my ultimate goal is to get postgresql working again |
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| 13:47.16 | themill | earthian: did you delete stuff in /var/lib/postgresql yourself? pg seems quite unhappy about it being missing |
| 13:47.23 | earthian | yes |
| 13:47.26 | earthian | i removed it |
| 13:47.30 | earthian | with --purge |
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| 13:47.41 | hyksos | vlt_: seemed that these script for ramfs-tools, so use ramfs-tools |
| 13:47.41 | earthian | and then removed all the files there were not removed, incl. log fiels |
| 13:47.44 | earthian | files* |
| 13:47.56 | thrashold | I'm using Debian sid with KDE 4.3. When I login, after a few minutes a screensaver starts. Something is starting '/usr/bin/xscreensaver -nosplash' at login. Is this the cause for the screensaver, or no? And how can I find what is starting it? |
| 13:48.06 | earthian | also /etc/postgresql |
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| 13:48.22 | earthian | seems that --purge did not do the job correctly...or so |
| 13:48.26 | themill | earthian: those files are probably owned by some other postgres package. |
| 13:48.43 | earthian | i tired puring all postgres packages |
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| 13:48.52 | earthian | tried* |
| 13:48.52 | vlt_ | I'll try to rephrase my question: How to make initrd activate lvm volumes after starting md and crypt devices? I made a script `lvm lvmdiskscan; lvm vgchange -ay vg1`. When I run this from initrd's dropshell manually it works. How to automate this? |
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| 13:49.29 | Fare | anytime I use a GL library, my X server dies (notable offender being the screensaver) |
| 13:49.57 | themill | earthian: can you pastebin "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*postgres\*" for me? |
| 13:49.58 | Fare | I suspect the nvidia GL is killing me -- how do I protect myself? |
| 13:50.01 | earthian | vlt_, what problem do you have? is this something to do that lvm is not being started at boot time and you get in to initrd shell? |
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| 13:50.50 | vlt_ | earthian: Yes. "/" is in LVM but I have to run my script I put in initrd manually everytime :( |
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| 13:51.36 | earthian | vlt_, try adding "rootdelay=9" to your kernel parameters |
| 13:52.02 | vlt_ | earthian: I got "5" now, why "9"? |
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| 13:52.11 | earthian | 9 works for me |
| 13:52.28 | earthian | i have had similar issue |
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| 13:54.24 | vlt_ | earthian: Didn't help. I think I could set it to "99" and it wouldn't get better. The script isn't executed so why wait longer? |
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| 13:54.55 | earthian | not the same problem then |
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| 13:55.46 | earthian | themill, http://www.pastebin.ca/1590579 |
| 13:56.43 | themill | earthian: hmm... that's odd. dpkg already thinks that package is uninstalled. |
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| 13:57.48 | earthian | :/ |
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| 13:59.43 | Muhe | Is there a piece of software that will manage e-mail accounts on a Debian server? I have no idea how to install/maintain a mailserver so looking for a package that will install everything and give a web admin page to admin it from |
| 13:59.50 | Muhe | Like webmin but for email |
| 14:00.00 | earthian | themill, another joke: http://www.pastebin.ca/1590583 |
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| 14:00.02 | bugjar | is there a handy way to verify if i have or do not have openGL support (3D support?)? i found someone's openGL program (a very simple C source) and compiled. The output works, but .... it's flat. i do not believe it's the code, but i've no proof... |
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| 14:01.46 | Batchy | bugjar: try glxgears (in the mesa-utils package) |
| 14:01.53 | themill | earthian: given that it's failing in the init script, try putting "exit 0" on the second line of the script then have another go with "aptitude -f install postgresql" |
| 14:02.12 | earthian | where do i find that script? |
| 14:02.54 | themill | earthian: /etc/init.d/postgresql* (not sure of the exact name) |
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| 14:03.04 | earthian | ok |
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| 14:03.12 | bugjar | Batchy,thnx |
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| 14:04.02 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142660/ How can I fix this? I don't lament -root to start |
| 14:04.31 | thrashold | It's a pretty annoying bug :( |
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| 14:05.40 | Phlogi | tires the graphic expert install mode :) |
| 14:06.09 | earthian | themill, removing all files that start with postgres* worked :) |
| 14:06.20 | earthian | files and directories |
| 14:06.33 | themill | earthian: good to hear. |
| 14:06.34 | earthian | then dpkg --purge that package |
| 14:06.39 | earthian | and then install |
| 14:06.48 | earthian | it is creating the directories now |
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| 14:07.37 | thrashold | Damn, why Linux sucks so much? :( |
| 14:07.49 | Phlogi | thrashold: hmm? |
| 14:08.07 | Phlogi | thrashold: you mean the kernel? :D |
| 14:08.10 | gorp | to make you enjoy thrashold |
| 14:08.26 | thrashold | Phlogi: You can't even turn off the screensaver (And the erson who invented the screensavers should be mutilated in the first place) |
| 14:09.01 | gorp | Yeah that good old time of VT100 and gnu screen ! |
| 14:09.02 | earthian | thrashold, thats only your imagination... everything works ok for most others |
| 14:09.05 | Phlogi | thrashold: you can in a DE, like KDE |
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| 14:09.27 | earthian | anyway. thanks for support. |
| 14:09.30 | earthian | i am off |
| 14:09.46 | Phlogi | thrashold: but its true, that for example flash can't turn them off... but thats not linux's problem ata all |
| 14:10.15 | gorp | adobe flash is not free software |
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| 14:10.50 | Phlogi | yes, but I'm not sure if mplayer for example does or can turn off the screensaver... I think its done with dbus or seomthing? |
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| 14:12.19 | thrashold | mplayer uses the xscreensaver extension to temporarily disable it, I think |
| 14:13.49 | Trewas | the problem is that there is no generic way to disable screensaver, every program that needs to do that must have separate code to disable xscreensaver, gnome-screensaver, whatever-kde-uses-screensaver and so on |
| 14:14.04 | LightKnight | Hello. A question: I've noticed that I have a /etc/init.d kerneld script as a leftover of a very old modutils package, purged may many years ago. Can I safely remove it (and its symlinks in /etc/rc.*) manually or should I do something else? Thanks :-) |
| 14:15.06 | Phlogi | hmm the install cd in graphical expert mode hangs at detect disks... any idea? I can move the mouse but see only the title |
| 14:15.35 | Phlogi | works now :) |
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| 14:21.56 | g00se | Any good ways to debug dhclient? Somehow i just *know* this box is never going to get a lease... |
| 14:23.30 | Phlogi | hmm when chosing a kernel, whats the difference between linux-image-2.6 and linux-image-2.6.26-2? is the second one more recent? |
| 14:24.17 | g00se | Phlogi: The former is effectively an alias for the most recent |
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| 14:24.48 | Phlogi | g00se: hmm so I can safely choose the first and get the recent anyway? |
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| 14:26.22 | liable | Phlogi: yes, its a meta package that will keep getting the latest one |
| 14:26.27 | Phlogi | thanks |
| 14:26.39 | liable | needs a arch option though, ie linux-2.6-686 |
| 14:26.46 | Phlogi | its long ago since I did the last debian install |
| 14:27.10 | g00se | Phlogi: e.g. Look at description of apt-cache show linux-2.6-686 |
| 14:27.44 | Phlogi | g00se: how can I when installing? :) |
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| 14:28.48 | g00se | Phlogi: You may not be able to - i had no idea where you were |
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| 14:32.15 | vlt_ | Solved my lvm problem by adding "lvm=vg0-root" to the "cryptopts=" kernel param. |
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| 14:32.25 | vlt_ | No script needed then. |
| 14:32.53 | benedikt | can i do "iptables -F" over ssh and be absolutly sure I DONT get disconnected? |
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| 14:33.46 | ramindia | can some one give idea how can i grep using grep search word in the the folder and list all the files that matches |
| 14:33.52 | ramindia | i belive grep -l |
| 14:33.58 | ramindia | i forgot the syntax |
| 14:34.09 | benedikt | grep "search term" * -r |
| 14:34.50 | ramindia | search term should be in "" (quotes) |
| 14:34.58 | benedikt | yes |
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| 14:35.21 | ramindia | benedikt: cool..u rocks |
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| 14:38.59 | benedikt | I have iptables doing ip masquerading. after some fiddling to forward ap ort over openvpn (and deciding not to and revertnig to the old setup), iptables doenst want to translate http requests. https and everything else works fine. |
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| 14:39.41 | g00se | Correct me if i'm wrong, but on an ethernet network, shouldn't sudo nc -l 255.255.255.255 -p 67 turn up something if another box is trying to get a dhcp lease? |
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| 14:47.17 | benedikt | And i think my problem is somehow related to conntack. How can I debug this? |
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| 14:52.15 | benedikt | according to tcpdump the http request doesnt even make it to the iptables masq machine |
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| 14:52.36 | BackLash|TheFly | moo |
| 14:52.41 | BackLash|TheFly | !backports |
| 14:52.42 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 14:57.10 | BackLash|TheFly | am i missing something.. i added the backports line to my apt sources.list |
| 14:57.15 | BackLash|TheFly | i got the keyring |
| 14:57.42 | BackLash|TheFly | apt-get -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:57.44 | BackLash|TheFly | nothing.. |
| 14:59.00 | themill | BackLash|TheFly: you presumably run "aptitude update" after altering your sources.list |
| 14:59.08 | BackLash|TheFly | yeah i did |
| 14:59.17 | BackLash|TheFly | sry forgot to state that |
| 14:59.34 | themill | BackLash|TheFly: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 14:59.49 | BackLash|TheFly | sure |
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| 15:00.26 | stian1979 | My raid0 array is dying on reboot. Anyone can tell me why? |
| 15:00.38 | BackLash|TheFly | http://www.pastebin.ca/1590693 |
| 15:01.48 | themill | BackLash|TheFly: hmm... can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -t lenny-backports flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 15:01.59 | themill | err...."aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 15:02.46 | BackLash|TheFly | gives me aptitude help |
| 15:02.47 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
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| 15:02.51 | BackLash|TheFly | apt-get maybe? |
| 15:03.04 | themill | BackLash|TheFly: "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 15:03.58 | BackLash|TheFly | now it works |
| 15:03.58 | stian1979 | I created raid0 /dev/md0 , when doing swapon /dev/md0 it works. If I do a reboot the swap is gone and if I do swapon /dev/md0 again I'm told md0 don't exsist. |
| 15:03.59 | BackLash|TheFly | lol |
| 15:04.08 | BackLash|TheFly | smacks debian with a spoon |
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| 15:04.15 | DexterF | what's a good channel for printing issues here...? #cups is rather empty |
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| 15:04.39 | BackLash|TheFly | themill, well thanks anyway lol i dont know whats up with apt-get but aptitude works |
| 15:04.41 | themill | DexterF: ##cups seems more useful |
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| 15:05.27 | BackLash|TheFly | always hoses cups when he installs :) |
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| 15:07.09 | BackLash|TheFly | gotsta have his music |
| 15:07.17 | BackLash|TheFly | kernel thrashing time |
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| 15:10.20 | Krauser | From man taskset : PERMISSIONS A user must possess CAP_SYS_NICE to change the CPU affinity of a process. Any user can retrieve the affinity mask. How do i make a user POSSESS CAP_SYS_Nice |
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| 15:14.08 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: start recompiling your kernel |
| 15:14.17 | asg | Krauser: getcap, setcap |
| 15:14.34 | Krauser | asg, as xeon said can we do it without recompiling ? |
| 15:14.55 | Krauser | xeon-enouf, that is ok i can re compile kernel not a problem but i shld know what to edit rite ? |
| 15:15.15 | xeon-enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.31/security/commoncap.c#L1009 |
| 15:15.19 | xeon-enouf | there ya go |
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| 15:16.07 | Krauser | xeon-enouf, RESPECT MAN ! thanks a lot iw ill check into it |
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| 15:16.27 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: maybe you should look into using cgroups |
| 15:16.40 | Krauser | cgroups as in ? |
| 15:16.44 | Krauser | what are they |
| 15:17.23 | xeon-enouf | see /Documentation/cgroups/ |
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| 15:18.25 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: asg probably provided you perhaps with an on-the-fly-cure for now - i haven't looked into it |
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| 15:18.43 | Krauser | ok |
| 15:18.45 | Krauser | i will man them |
| 15:18.57 | Krauser | nop no entry in man pages |
| 15:19.01 | Krauser | debian lenny |
| 15:19.03 | xeon-enouf | i just tried - heh - nada |
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| 15:19.08 | xeon-enouf | on sid |
| 15:19.11 | thrashold | I grepped my ~ and I can't find the word 'xscreensaver' in a single file, but xscreensaver still starts on login. It's not in /usr/bin/x-session-manager either. |
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| 15:19.15 | xeon-enouf | search kernel docs |
| 15:19.21 | Krauser | ok |
| 15:19.22 | Krauser | will do |
| 15:19.28 | thrashold | Any suggestion on how to eradicate it? |
| 15:19.53 | xeon-enouf | well - pretty sure *i* have manpages-dev installed Krauser do you? |
| 15:19.59 | asg | Krauser: be careful with CAP_SYS_NICE though, it allows a user to do more things than just set cpu affinity |
| 15:20.12 | xeon-enouf | yep, i do |
| 15:20.13 | thrashold | Is doing 'apt-get remove xscreensaver' safe? |
| 15:20.23 | Krauser | manpages-dev |
| 15:20.24 | Krauser | hmmm |
| 15:20.26 | Krauser | i guess i can do that |
| 15:20.30 | Krauser | no harm in pages |
| 15:20.37 | Krauser | asg, what security concerns are therE? |
| 15:20.42 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: but cgroups appears to me to be just what you're looking fir |
| 15:20.46 | xeon-enouf | for* |
| 15:21.13 | asg | Krauser: they can arbitrarily raise the nice value, scheduling prioirty, affect paging. See the capabilities(7) manpage |
| 15:21.14 | Krauser | where is this documentation/vgroups |
| 15:21.23 | xeon-enouf | thrashold: so long as it's not of priority important or required it is |
| 15:21.29 | Krauser | asg, that is ok for me. |
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| 15:22.04 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: see the /Documentation/ where i sent you - start at kernver |
| 15:22.15 | Krauser | ok |
| 15:22.20 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: if you install source, you'll have it all locally |
| 15:22.38 | asg | Krauser: so, you are willing to allow a user to start a process and set it's priority and niceness such that few other process can run? Any user with this capability will be able to DoS your machine. |
| 15:22.48 | thrashold | xeon-enouf: Thanks |
| 15:22.50 | xeon-enouf | and worse |
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| 15:22.58 | Phlogi | whats an easy way to activate backports repo in lenny? |
| 15:22.59 | Krauser | asg, sad :( |
| 15:23.10 | Krauser | asg, sooo what do u propose |
| 15:23.20 | Krauser | asg, cgroups as xeon said would help me ? |
| 15:23.21 | xeon-enouf | thrashold: ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | sort | less |
| 15:23.50 | xeon-enouf | thrashold: to get an idea of which are which - i'm sure xsreensaver isnt't there :-P |
| 15:23.52 | thrashold | xeon-enouf: Thanks. I already looked it up manually in /var/lib/dpkg/status, but I'll write that down :) |
| 15:23.54 | asg | Krauser: what I said before, use sudo to allow a user to run a script that, after verifying that they are only affecting PIDs they own, runs taskset. |
| 15:24.27 | Krauser | asg, i m in a 4 wall blackmail kind asituation i cant use sudo |
| 15:24.28 | Krauser | :( |
| 15:24.43 | asg | Krauser: you may also investigate selinux and/or apparmor to allow similar things but they are more heavyweight than what you are trying to do in this case. |
| 15:25.14 | gasg | Hi, I need help to nstall network-manager or wicd in lenny, I've installed the distro only from cd1, but there's no way to get worked my wifi connection |
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| 15:25.39 | thrashold | xeon-enouf: Eww... I'm actually pretty stupid, it went away during autoremove :) |
| 15:25.48 | BackLash|TheFly | i love it when you call me big papa |
| 15:25.53 | Krauser | thnk u asg and xeon-enouf |
| 15:26.09 | xeon-enouf | you can compile and install and use your own custom kernel Krauser - yet you can't use sudo? Hahahahaha |
| 15:26.16 | xeon-enouf | welcome ;-) |
| 15:26.45 | Krauser | xeon-enouf, the software and the programmes i m using dont support sudo and we cant run programms as root |
| 15:27.13 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: then you're not using Debian - and probably not Linux either |
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| 15:27.31 | gasg | what command to type from iwconfig, please |
| 15:27.51 | gasg | it is wpa with static ip and gateway ip |
| 15:28.11 | Krauser | :( |
| 15:28.14 | Krauser | that was rude |
| 15:28.30 | Fare | Krauser, use qemu to be root on your own vm :) |
| 15:29.07 | xeon-enouf | somebody PLEASE ask Krauser "the software and the programmes i m using dont support sudo" wtf does that mean? lmao |
| 15:29.07 | xeon-enouf | i can't - i'll fall off my chair |
| 15:29.22 | Krauser | xeon-enouf, www.swiftpanel.com |
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| 15:29.49 | gasg | ok, just lame time at this time.. :) |
| 15:29.49 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: not rude - funny ;-) |
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| 15:30.20 | xeon-enouf | Krauser: and when i laugh too hard, i fall off my chair and might break my hip :-p |
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| 15:30.43 | Krauser | i m into linux for 3 weeks |
| 15:30.46 | Krauser | i m learning |
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| 15:31.02 | xeon-enouf | in soviet russia Linux is into YOU! |
| 15:31.12 | xeon-enouf | for 3 weeks even :-p |
| 15:31.41 | Krauser | ok |
| 15:31.46 | stian1979 | Krauser: In 10 years you will still be learning it. |
| 15:31.49 | gasg | hey somebody that really know Linux, can please give me an answer |
| 15:31.53 | Krauser | i guess i m weak minded |
| 15:31.56 | xeon-enouf | indeed stian1979 |
| 15:32.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Krauser: keeplearningdude- it's all good:) |
| 15:32.20 | jpinx-eeepc | replaces the space bar |
| 15:32.23 | xeon-enouf | hey, i just met a most awesomeness nick --> 'unixbomber' |
| 15:32.25 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 15:32.26 | stian1979 | Krauser: I know a guy who started using in 94 and is a programer, I somt |
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| 15:32.45 | gasg | think: Linux masters sleeping at this time :( |
| 15:32.47 | stian1979 | Krauser: I sometimes ask him things he don't know |
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| 15:32.49 | dutchfish | !tell gasg about iwconfig |
| 15:32.50 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: youtoowiththe spacebar! |
| 15:33.00 | Krauser | heheheheheheheh stian1979 |
| 15:33.29 | gasg | !tell wpa |
| 15:33.51 | dutchfish | !wpa |
| 15:33.51 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 15:33.54 | xeon-enouf | !+tell gasg about msgthebot |
| 15:33.55 | dpkg | told gasg about msgthebot (Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>) |
| 15:34.31 | xeon-enouf | dang, i keep forgetting to use -about instead |
| 15:34.42 | gasg | ok, so I now figure that need to be install Lenny from a DVD.... |
| 15:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: just do !tell and it doesn't show here |
| 15:35.06 | stian1979 | If anyone know anthing about linux raid please give me a hand |
| 15:35.14 | gasg | thanks |
| 15:35.19 | stian1979 | I created raid0 /dev/md0 , when doing swapon /dev/md0 it works. If I do a reboot the swap is gone and if I do swapon /dev/md0 again I'm told md0 don't exsist. |
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| 15:35.34 | xeon-enouf | gasg: the installer can use/has /msg dpkg firmware and cannot/doesn't use wpa on installation |
| 15:36.08 | asg | stian1979: did you recreate the raid after you rebooted? |
| 15:36.28 | stian1979 | about 3 times |
| 15:36.31 | xeon-enouf | stian1979: you sure it works? and good call asg -- stian1979 see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 15:36.38 | asg | stian1979: also, did you run mkswap on the raid volume? |
| 15:36.46 | xeon-enouf | that too |
| 15:37.16 | stian1979 | I created the raid and did mkswap /dev/md0 |
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| 15:37.18 | xeon-enouf | gasg: sorry |
| 15:37.34 | gasg | sigh |
| 15:37.51 | stian1979 | and did swapon /dev/md0 |
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| 15:38.06 | gasg | I'm really like debian but I'm going mate to make my connection to works :( |
| 15:38.21 | dutchfish | !comfort gasg |
| 15:38.21 | dpkg | There, there, gasg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:38.29 | gasg | hehe :) |
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| 15:38.33 | stian1979 | and the swapspace was up and ready to use |
| 15:38.46 | asg | goes to lunch |
| 15:38.47 | DeSian | i use clamav under Etch. clamscan -r worked fine but i will option to display me just "Infected files" and where? is that possible? |
| 15:38.48 | xeon-enouf | i meant /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 15:38.48 | xeon-enouf | show us cat /proc/swaps |
| 15:38.48 | xeon-enouf | do ls -l /dev/md0 prior to mkswap |
| 15:38.48 | xeon-enouf | swapon -a is what i needto use - it's in /etc/fstab too |
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| 15:39.26 | themill | takes away xeon-enouf's enter key |
| 15:39.28 | xeon-enouf | 07:40 -!- xeon-enouf was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 15:39.31 | xeon-enouf | wtf? |
| 15:39.36 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, again ;) |
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| 15:39.39 | stian1979 | the sysguard showed the swap, on reboot it was gone |
| 15:39.49 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: it's not funny any more |
| 15:40.01 | stian1979 | Yes it is in fstab |
| 15:40.09 | xeon-enouf | themill: wtf is going on with debhelper ? |
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| 15:40.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !paste |
| 15:40.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 15:40.52 | themill | xeon-enouf: nothing's wrong with debhelper. It's doing exactly what it has always done. You wrote 4 lines very very quickly so you got kicked. |
| 15:40.58 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: That just about made my day. :) |
| 15:41.03 | xeon-enouf | themill: which 4 lines? |
| 15:41.17 | xeon-enouf | did i accidentally paste? |
| 15:41.35 | themill | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1590755 |
| 15:41.37 | jpinx-eeepc | typing too fast counts ass pasting :p |
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| 15:41.48 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: You typed very fast, that was all. Faster than most clients will automatically rate-limit pastes to evade this very behaviour. |
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| 15:41.53 | xeon-enouf | 07:39 < xeon-enouf> swapon -a is what i needto use - it's in /etc/fstab too <== is the last thing i said! |
| 15:42.04 | jpinx-eeepc | will never be mistaken as a paste ;) |
| 15:42.37 | mfillpot | Has anyone in here ever started the debian installer from a grub entry? |
| 15:42.41 | stian1979 | xeon-enouf: what is ls -l /dev/md0 and swapon -a doing witch the others I ben using don't do? I did not do the ls -l /dev/md1 on my other raid array |
| 15:42.47 | Krauser | asg, its capset and capget not setcap and getcap :( |
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| 15:42.59 | Arafangion | xeon-enouf: Conversely, irc clients will try to make a paste as slow as someone typing, so the line gets really blurred. :( |
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| 15:43.26 | xeon-enouf | themill: you've got to be joking - someone broke debhelper |
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| 15:44.48 | anthea | hello, where can i found a chan for eeepc support ? |
| 15:44.51 | genia4 | Would anyone here recommend xfs/jfs to be used on a file server? |
| 15:44.53 | xeon-enouf | that timestamp doesn't show seconds .. anyone got their client setup that shows time as hour|minute|seconds and has backscroll of my kick? |
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| 15:45.05 | xeon-enouf | adjusts his |
| 15:45.24 | adb | anthea, #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:45.44 | anthea | adb, thank you |
| 15:45.44 | themill | xeon-enouf: umm... there's no joke here. If you stopped hitting enter after every few words, you would (a) not like Nyle and (b) not get kicked. Perhaps your connection is a bit dodgy atm, but all 4 lines arrived at 16:38:47 here. |
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| 15:48.08 | xeon-enouf | themill: what? i'm talking to different people |
| 15:48.38 | xeon-enouf | themill: i never sent them ALL at :47 |
| 15:48.40 | Dominicus | I'm in group "A", and group "A" is specified as the owning group of a folder with rwx permissions... Is it normal for the system to let me enter the group owned older and to let me delete files with ownership by root:root with 640 rights? (I would have expected that the root:root 640 files would have been immutable to me.)) |
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| 15:49.01 | xeon-enouf | there's some nasty fucken lag somewhere - if they all arrived like that~! |
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| 15:49.10 | xeon-enouf | POFS freenode |
| 15:49.19 | themill | xeon-enouf: right, so perhaps fix your connection. In any case, stop hitting enter so often and it won't be a problem. |
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| 15:49.21 | Wooga | is there any short form of aptitude search/show showing only installed package names and it's versions? |
| 15:49.44 | xeon-enouf | themill: there;s nothing to fix on my end, so NO! i will not alter anything |
| 15:49.44 | Arafangion | I think xeon-enoufd does have a point if this sort of thing happens regularly. |
| 15:49.48 | Wooga | without whole description, depndences, etc. |
| 15:50.01 | Arafangion | But once during a blue moon... He should get over it. |
| 15:50.05 | xeon-enouf | i am NOT hitting enter so often - get it? if not fuck you asshole |
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| 15:50.54 | Dominicus | smells undsirable troll-like behavior. |
| 15:50.55 | themill | xeon-enouf: please take a break from #debian for a bit... you *are* hitting enter lots and now you're also swearing at people. |
| 15:51.02 | themill | Wooga: aptitude search ~i -F"%p %20v" |
| 15:51.07 | Wooga | thanks |
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| 15:54.17 | stian1979 | xeon-enoulf is the one here helping people most and I think he do it quite good. I don't see what the problem is. He feels unfairly threated and words like asshole pops out, give him a break. |
| 15:54.37 | Arafangion | I'll second that comment. |
| 15:54.54 | Dominicus | stands behind xeon-enouf. |
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| 15:55.12 | pngwn | good to see the politics of #debian still sinks |
| 15:55.23 | Arafangion | pngwn: Did you forget to put a 't' in there? ;) |
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| 15:55.35 | pngwn | ;) |
| 15:55.43 | stian1979 | he and asg is the only of the 819 users in this chanel that has even tryed to help me |
| 15:56.03 | jpinx-eeepc | stian1979: lots of us are learning here |
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| 15:56.51 | Dominicus | wishes that people would just post backscroll ogs instead of chewing people out for "allegedly hitting enter a lot". I've known people who chat like that, and xeon-enouf has never been one of them. |
| 15:57.07 | themill | There's no politics here... just one regular who either can't get over it and is choosing to scream about things being broken rather than looking at how his own behaviour is influencing events. I don't intend to discuss this any more in channel, however. |
| 15:57.17 | stian1979 | jpinx-eeepc: Everyone is learning. Even the great linus torvalds. Linux can be configured in so many ways that nobody knows everyting |
| 15:57.28 | The2morrowMan | WTF did I miss...? |
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| 15:58.10 | Arafangion | themill: I don't think he's screaming... He justifiably complains about some issue, and then someone picks that up and throws it back at him, etc. it takes two to fight. Now, in this, who should have the last word? |
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| 15:58.35 | Dominicus | The2morrowMan: Just a case of he said, she said, but I arrived late, and never saw any proof presented, so I write off the claims. |
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| 15:59.27 | benedikt | I think i have somehow fucked up ip masquerading. it doesnt allow http, but everything else. I have reverted back to the original config, flushed iptables, rebooted and nothing helps. |
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| 15:59.31 | benedikt | i have tried *everything* |
| 15:59.42 | The2morrowMan | Dominicus, ... A'ight. |
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| 16:00.15 | iluminator101 | Hi, I can connect my wifi gets an ip but i am able to access the web, just blank screen? |
| 16:00.27 | iluminator101 | i am not able* |
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| 16:00.58 | The2morrowMan | iluminator101, Can you ping anything? |
| 16:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: can you ping an outside IP? |
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| 16:01.01 | dimir | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/m1546e5a6 |
| 16:01.05 | heihaier | iluminator101: can you see source? |
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| 16:01.16 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: check your router? |
| 16:01.23 | iluminator101 | my ndiswrapper -l is bcmwl5 : driver installed |
| 16:01.23 | iluminator101 | device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: wl) |
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| 16:02.08 | The2morrowMan | iluminator101, First, check to see if you can ping anything. Try pinging google. If not, you might not have good DNS settings. |
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| 16:02.30 | jpinx-eeepc | that's why I suggested pinging an IP first |
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| 16:02.34 | iluminator101 | brb |
| 16:02.41 | stian1979 | iluminator101: what is your OS? lenny, squeeze or sid? |
| 16:03.11 | xeon-enouf | there /set timestamp_format %H:%M:%S now we shall see |
| 16:03.17 | administ1ator | hi I installed ssh on my server, is there a way to keep specific users from logging in via ssh? |
| 16:03.39 | xeon-enouf | just what fucken drugs debhelper is on |
| 16:03.45 | jpinx-eeepc | administ1ator: man ssh and/or /etc/hosts_deny |
| 16:03.52 | benedikt | administ1ator: set their shells as /bin/false |
| 16:04.05 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: that too ;) |
| 16:04.17 | maligor | I'd guess he wants to only allow them local access |
| 16:04.19 | administ1ator | benedikt is there a config file, to do this? |
| 16:04.31 | benedikt | administ1ator: man usermod |
| 16:04.57 | administ1ator | nope no access at all is even better though probably no one will ever log in directly anymore |
| 16:05.00 | administ1ator | thx |
| 16:05.17 | jpinx-eeepc | administ1ator: delete the account? ;) |
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| 16:05.33 | administ1ator | nope, needed for samba ;-) |
| 16:05.49 | stian1979 | administ1ator: check in /etc/ssh I think you can add a autorisation key in yout /home/.ssh and disable passworlogins |
| 16:06.11 | jpinx-eeepc | administ1ator: man ssh - there are loads of options |
| 16:06.26 | administ1ator | stian1979 thanks Ill do that for the acounts left |
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| 16:06.48 | xeon-enouf | dimir: thank you |
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| 16:07.45 | benedikt | I think i have somehow fucked up ip masquerading. it doesnt allow http, but everything else. I have reverted back to the original config, flushed iptables, rebooted and nothing helps. |
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| 16:08.15 | heihaier | I execute "ssh --help" on debian testing (mips), output segment falut. why? |
| 16:08.17 | yang | Where are the instructions how to submit a wishlist, for one package to become orphaned |
| 16:08.32 | yang | It hasn't been maintained since a few years |
| 16:09.00 | jpinx-eeepc | yang is it broken? |
| 16:09.15 | yang | not really, but there are bugs, which were fixed in the new releases |
| 16:09.16 | xeon-enouf | dimir: notice - HERE - it came with a line in between 07:38 < xeon-enouf> show us cat /proc/swaps 07:39 < gasg> sigh 07:39 < xeon-enouf> do ls -l /dev/md0 prior to mkswap |
| 16:09.16 | xeon-enouf | dimir: but now, i have hours:minutes:seconds showing as well in my format |
| 16:09.16 | xeon-enouf | and look at :38 and :39 there! |
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| 16:10.25 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, Do me a favor: iptables -t nat -L |
| 16:10.28 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, What's it say? |
| 16:10.33 | stian1979 | administ1ator: I was setting up a ssh server a few week's ago. I don't quite remember what I did so it's not good to be duscused here in public, pm me if you want some more info |
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| 16:10.54 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: thats full of old stuff. how do i flush that? |
| 16:11.06 | yang | benedikt: iptables -t nat -F |
| 16:11.08 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, iptables -t nat -F |
| 16:11.21 | benedikt | thanks! |
| 16:11.23 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, Flushing iptables with a wide -F doesn't touch the nat table. |
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| 16:11.57 | yang | jpinx-eeepc: its not working as it should, yes (if you meant that) |
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| 16:12.33 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: i didnt know that. thanks :) |
| 16:12.35 | themill | xeon-enouf: please answer my pm. |
| 16:12.36 | xeon-enouf | heihaier: something's wrong |
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| 16:13.08 | xeon-enouf | heihaier: with your ssh binary, i presume |
| 16:13.09 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, I took the long way around and tried to write my own iptables stuff for a long time. Then I discovered arno. >>> aptitude search arno |
| 16:14.06 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: seems nice. |
| 16:14.11 | benedikt | iptables can be tricky |
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| 16:14.17 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, It is. It's amazing, actually. Give it a try. |
| 16:14.48 | verblendet | ih, i installed php-gettext but there is no module to load... so it isnt working. what package provides the module? |
| 16:15.15 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: pm |
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| 16:15.18 | verblendet | the is no .so file, no ini file in conf.d, just a few files in /usr/share.... |
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| 16:16.40 | verblendet | so, is this only the pear module? |
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| 16:17.03 | verblendet | pear sucks a bit when using fcgi, whats the name of the package providing shared object for native php gettext support? |
| 16:17.43 | verblendet | so, does that all mean there is only an poutadted peear package in debian, and no module? |
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| 16:19.40 | amanda-c | what's the typical time it takes for somebody to respond to a bug filed against apt? |
| 16:20.08 | verblendet | should take not a long time... but would take.... |
| 16:20.13 | themill | amanda-c: depends if it's a "apt ate by system" bug or if it's a "translation is wrong" bug |
| 16:20.44 | amanda-c | themill: it's more "apt won't update against older archives anymore because it mishandles Packages.gz again" |
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| 16:21.26 | verblendet | so, how to tell php scripts not to use php gettext functions but load the pear module instead? do i have to modify all scripts? and allow access to /usr/share/php??? |
| 16:21.30 | zsakr | I have switched from windows server ed to linux debian, it's an ntfs drive. |
| 16:21.34 | zsakr | but permissions aren't working very well |
| 16:21.42 | zsakr | i tried defaults but it only allows me to browse directories now, any ideas? |
| 16:21.48 | zsakr | i think I might have to use uid. |
| 16:21.49 | themill | amanda-c: in sid, I presume |
| 16:21.50 | zsakr | any ideas? |
| 16:21.52 | verblendet | argh |
| 16:22.05 | amanda-c | themill: testing, not sid. |
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| 16:22.27 | amanda-c | themill: also, as i noted in the report (filed end of june) it's actually a regression of a previously-fixed bug. |
| 16:22.42 | zsakr | So? |
| 16:23.08 | themill | amanda-c: bug number? |
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| 16:23.19 | amanda-c | themill: 535182 |
| 16:24.07 | amanda-c | zsakr: ntfs was not designed to be used under a unix-like operating system. that's the root of your trouble. |
| 16:24.30 | zsakr | pff amanda-c. |
| 16:25.05 | verblendet | these package names are misleading....php-gettext should efinitely tell the user that it is only a pear module, so its name should be php-pear-gettext, grnml |
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| 16:25.31 | amanda-c | zsakr: pff all you want. if you want real file permissions that actually work, convert to a non-MS fs. ext3 for example. |
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| 16:27.01 | xand | zsakr: amanda-c is correct. |
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| 16:27.13 | themill | amanda-c: ouch :( Normally, the apt guys are pretty responsive to bad bugs but they are also stretched. Is it within your ability to work out a patch for this? |
| 16:28.26 | amanda-c | themill: no, i have no programming ability. my work-around has been to mirror the repository (a huge pita) and create a Packages.bz2 instead. the repository on etree.org is apparently unmaintained but the software in it still works fine, so fixing the respository isn't possible. |
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| 16:30.18 | xeon-enouf | zsakr: ntfs doesn't know anything about unix permissions, perhaps you want to tinker with ACLs , oreven selinux |
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| 16:30.39 | themill | amanda-c: annoying. There was recently some talk about being able to set a preference order for which compression methods to try. Perhaps that can help here. |
| 16:31.02 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:31.41 | benedikt | zsakr: you cant use real unix permissions with ntfs |
| 16:31.59 | benedikt | everything is basicly 777 on a ntfs drive |
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| 16:32.24 | xeon-enouf | zsakr: perhaps convert to ext3, and use windows ext2fs driver? or whatever the best one out there is |
| 16:32.46 | amanda-c | ext2fs is ... abysmal. :-) |
| 16:32.58 | xeon-enouf | then e2fs-driver? or whatever? |
| 16:33.24 | xeon-enouf | i have no need for such things, but i know they exist |
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| 16:33.47 | amanda-c | it's always faster to bring up a second box and just use samba. |
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| 16:33.55 | amanda-c | (i've been down this road, as you can tell.)( |
| 16:34.29 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, Check out the results out of Arno: http://pastebin.com/d4c656ede |
| 16:34.35 | xeon-enouf | themill: just note - those last two lines from me were ~30 seconds apart - that's how long it took me to type it/them (and to correct typos) SAME with this post - look at the time interval ;-) |
| 16:35.04 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: woah! |
| 16:35.11 | xeon-enouf | ok - maybe 25 seconds apart |
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| 16:35.18 | vargadanis | hi, I am having a bit of a problem with grub... I had debian installed but due to the fact that I had to use Windows I installed it on a separate partition. Grub was gone. I reinstalled it and now i can boot up my linux but not windows. I get an error that ntldr not found |
| 16:35.22 | vargadanis | any tips why? |
| 16:35.22 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, The only thing that Arno didn't do in all that is the UPNP_FORWARD chain. The rest is configured automatically by Arno, and it works FANTASTICALLY. |
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| 16:36.00 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: i installed arno on my laptop (ubuntu), gonna check it out. but it insisted on istalling a package called arno-iptables-firewall instead. Im guessing its the same |
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| 16:36.20 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, Yup, that is indeed the package. That iptables dump was straight off my router machine. |
| 16:36.23 | xeon-enouf | vargadanis: ntldr want to be somewhere on 1st disk 1st partition, IIRC |
| 16:36.37 | zsakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.41 | zsakr | everything is working now |
| 16:36.59 | benedikt | vargadanis: its a windows problem that i have seen happening after reinstalling grub. easiest (and best) solution: stop using windows. youll have to repairt the windows install somehow |
| 16:37.02 | The2morrowMan | xeon-enouf, Windows will work just fine if it's not the first partition. However, it sounds like that partition's boot code got wiped out. |
| 16:37.04 | xeon-enouf | or embedded somewhere within 1st partition bootsector there somehow |
| 16:37.11 | xeon-enouf | right |
| 16:37.28 | BackLash|TheFly | hmmm is 2.5mb small for a kernel |
| 16:37.34 | xeon-enouf | The2morrowMan: vargadanis so reinstall your backup of 1st partition bootsector ;-) |
| 16:37.48 | zsakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.53 | zsakr | that was the solution! |
| 16:37.57 | BackLash|TheFly | i kinda feel like i could make it smaller.. |
| 16:37.58 | xeon-enouf | zsakr: no |
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| 16:38.03 | zsakr | how no? |
| 16:38.03 | The2morrowMan | zsakr, Do you have any idea what that actually does? :P |
| 16:38.06 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: how do i run arno? isnt even a manpage for arno. |
| 16:38.08 | zsakr | it worked |
| 16:38.14 | amanda-c | i'm hungry. someone should order me a pizza. |
| 16:38.28 | xeon-enouf | zsakr: it "working" for you doesn't make it right |
| 16:38.43 | benedikt | amanda-c: i just made a sandwitch with cheese and mustard. you should have one like that. |
| 16:38.44 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, When you install it, it should run through a dpkg-configure. If it didn't, do a dpkg-reconfigure arno-iptables-firewall and it'll run you through the configuration. |
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| 16:38.52 | vargadanis | xeon-enouf, ehhh... windows recovery CD... my only option :S |
| 16:38.55 | xeon-enouf | zsakr: just saying - there's still no concept of unix permission via doing that |
| 16:39.05 | zsakr | everything opens now :p |
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| 16:39.08 | xeon-enouf | vargadanis: well - no. there's other options |
| 16:39.39 | xeon-enouf | vargadanis: but ok - you can use that i guess, use FIXBOOT? not FIXMBR, IIRC |
| 16:39.40 | zsakr | hy? what does it do? |
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| 16:40.04 | amanda-c | zsakr: you are begging to screw up your ntfs permissions and make your drive unusable in windows. proper data protection and permissions protocols require that you convert your data to ext3 or some other format that speaks unix permissions. on the other hand, if you're open to losing everything on the drive, plow ahead ignoring us. |
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| 16:40.11 | xeon-enouf | vargadanis: and double check your boot.ini contents? and also your grub menu.lst entries for your Windows installation |
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| 16:40.14 | benedikt | The2morrowMan: this is genious |
| 16:40.17 | heihaier | How to make rescue image file ? |
| 16:40.28 | xeon-enouf | !rescue mode |
| 16:40.28 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 16:40.46 | benedikt | heihaier: dd if=/input/file of=/output/file |
| 16:41.02 | verblendet | ouch, i see now, the gettext module doesnt work with apache worker. but so many scripts using it :)) |
| 16:41.43 | xeon-enouf | heihaier: also see sfdisk -d /dev/hdX > partition.table.backup |
| 16:41.51 | xeon-enouf | heihaier: man sfdisk |
| 16:42.01 | heihaier | benedikt: no, linux kernel and root filesystem. |
| 16:42.12 | heihaier | rescue can boot |
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| 16:42.22 | benedikt | heihaier: sorry, i misread you. |
| 16:42.30 | xeon-enouf | heihaier: see ghost4linux? or partimage |
| 16:42.39 | xeon-enouf | benedikt: so did we all |
| 16:42.48 | oneguynick | I am running debian 5.0 and installed boxee. Xorg is running with DRI on a x3100 and everytime it attempts to use xrandr the display goes blank, any ideas? |
| 16:42.58 | oneguynick | heihaier: clonezilla is the best |
| 16:43.20 | heihaier | thanks! |
| 16:43.30 | The2morrowMan | zsakr, Basically, you've destroyed the entire concept of permissions. Sure, everything opens, but anyone on the machine can do anything, now. A random user could go in and rm -rf / enter and call it a day. |
| 16:43.42 | The2morrowMan | benedikt, Ain't it? |
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| 16:45.36 | zsakr | oh, it's on my internal network |
| 16:45.40 | zsakr | nobody has outside access |
| 16:45.43 | zsakr | and it's a home server |
| 16:46.09 | zsakr | well, only port 80 is open, that's it :p |
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| 16:47.23 | amanda-c | port 80 is plenty enough to allow someone who's smarter than you (which is a lot of people, apparently) unfettered access to your system. |
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| 16:47.46 | benedikt | zsakr: "only"? |
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| 16:49.12 | bjoernb | hi |
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| 16:50.55 | mesa_booger | i love that word "unfettered" |
| 16:51.12 | mesa_booger | reminds me of ipchains |
| 16:51.42 | amanda-c | given the seriousness with which the guy takes his security and permissions and data preservation practices, if i can touch his machine, i own it. |
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| 16:52.00 | amanda-c | let me repeat that so he can see it. |
| 16:52.02 | amanda-c | given the seriousness with which the guy takes his security and permissions and data preservation practices, if i can touch his machine, i own it. |
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| 16:56.31 | KavanS | lol amanda-c |
| 16:56.36 | xeon-enouf | let me highlight his nick ( zsakr ) so he can see it |
| 16:56.48 | KavanS | zsakr, *ALERT* |
| 16:56.58 | xeon-enouf | amanda-c: perhaps you should finger them instead :-P |
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| 16:57.36 | zsakr | whats the command to get your pc stats/info in terminal |
| 16:58.18 | amanda-c | zsakr: ... depends on what stats you want. try "uptime" |
| 16:58.26 | amanda-c | that's always useful. |
| 16:58.33 | amanda-c | uname -a is another fun one. |
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| 17:00.46 | amanda-c | if you want exciting interactivity, try top |
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| 17:01.36 | amanda-c | if you want pretty colors with neat pie charts and one-button "fix this" procedures, try windows. |
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| 17:02.36 | LobbyZ | amanda-c, quite evilish there |
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| 17:04.21 | amanda-c | LobbyZ: i have learned that while quite a few people in this channel, including some if its regular denizens, are really serious assholes, as often as not the things they say aren't stupid, and you dismiss their advice without at least investigating it (like zsakr has) at your peril. |
| 17:04.56 | LobbyZ | amanda-c, true that but then again, what can you do about it? Whining about it won't solve things |
| 17:05.24 | LobbyZ | Assholes will always be assholes |
| 17:05.35 | LobbyZ | thats the sad part of internets |
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| 17:06.15 | amanda-c | LobbyZ: no, i'm trying, and failing it would seem, to introduce zsakr to a new way of thinking. however, i'm getting hungry and it seems to be having no significant effect, so i imagine i'll go out soon enough and buy some hamburger, while zsakr craters his system. |
| 17:06.32 | LobbyZ | Have fun then |
| 17:07.12 | arcsky | when i login via ssh i got much crap as welcome text, how can i change to something i want? |
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| 17:07.29 | amanda-c | arcsky: /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
| 17:07.41 | amanda-c | arcsky: must be root to edit. |
| 17:08.01 | LobbyZ | Mine gets reset everytime i reboot the vps |
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| 17:08.20 | amanda-c | lobbyz: solution: don't reboot the vps. |
| 17:08.33 | LobbyZ | Well i have to reboot it after destroying it enough |
| 17:08.41 | LobbyZ | such as making apache use 230mb ram |
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| 17:08.49 | NiveusLuna | How do you disable root logins over SSH? |
| 17:08.50 | zsakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.04 | jpinx-eeepc | flash is broken everywhere |
| 17:09.14 | LobbyZ | Best linux desktop? |
| 17:09.17 | LobbyZ | there is several |
| 17:09.21 | benedikt | FATAL: Module ipv6 not found. |
| 17:09.23 | LobbyZ | but one would be Ubuntu |
| 17:09.27 | arcsky | didnt work |
| 17:09.29 | jpinx-eeepc | NiveusLuna: /etc/sshd or simila |
| 17:09.34 | amanda-c | NiveusLuna: there is an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, the name of which escapes me at the moment, but it's really obvious |
| 17:09.34 | NiveusLuna | I like Fedora, despite its quirks. |
| 17:09.35 | zsakr | then I would have to give up youtube. |
| 17:09.46 | amanda-c | NiveusLuna: don't forget to restart the daemon tho. |
| 17:09.46 | jpinx-eeepc | amanda-c: yea - that one |
| 17:09.56 | NiveusLuna | amanda-c, jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 17:10.00 | xand | zsakr: debian of course |
| 17:10.10 | jpinx-eeepc | zsakr: fwiw - I run stable lenny and flash is fine |
| 17:10.23 | amanda-c | zsakr: youtube has made you what you are today. that's reason enough to give it up. |
| 17:10.27 | LobbyZ | amanda-c, it seems that /etc/issue is not the one changing the greeting message upon SSH login |
| 17:10.46 | amanda-c | LobbyZ: then perhaps /etc/issue.net? that's also controlled from /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:10.50 | xand | motd |
| 17:10.59 | amanda-c | oh motd is another one, yeah. |
| 17:11.00 | jpinx-eeepc | blame youtube |
| 17:11.05 | LobbyZ | Motd is the one |
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| 17:11.17 | LobbyZ | issue only says the OS name and version |
| 17:11.29 | arcsky | http://pastebin.com/m76ebed32 |
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| 17:12.13 | stuckey | arcsky: |
| 17:12.15 | amanda-c | i love my dual-head rotating backgrounds. perfection. |
| 17:12.21 | stuckey | edit /etc/motd |
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| 17:12.45 | NiveusLuna | hm. nothing mentioning root in sshd_config. I'll see if I can find it online. |
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| 17:13.07 | musolinoa | NiveusLuna: PermitRootLogin is the option you're looking for. |
| 17:13.22 | jpinx-eeepc | NiveusLuna: lookin the other files in there |
| 17:13.35 | amanda-c | NiveusLuna: yeah, set PermitRootLogin to no and do /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 17:13.40 | jpinx-eeepc | NiveusLuna: don't give up so easily :p |
| 17:13.41 | NiveusLuna | oh there it is |
| 17:13.44 | amanda-c | note that the restart will not drop your existing connections |
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| 17:13.54 | NiveusLuna | I'm notoriously unobservant. I swear that wasn't there before. XD |
| 17:14.02 | jpinx-eeepc | heh ;) |
| 17:14.06 | amanda-c | NiveusLuna: grep? :-) |
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| 17:14.30 | jpinx-eeepc | amanda-c: open eyes? ;) |
| 17:14.47 | amanda-c | jpinx-eeepc: never do manually what a computer can do for you. :-) |
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| 17:14.54 | NiveusLuna | thank you both XD |
| 17:14.58 | jpinx-eeepc | np |
| 17:15.05 | jpinx-eeepc | amanda-c: true true |
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| 17:15.42 | amanda-c | the best sysadmins, in my experience, are lazy. they go to some length to create systems that don't need their intervention, so they can sit back and do useful stuff like ... download porn. |
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| 17:16.28 | g00se | Hear hear |
| 17:16.38 | LobbyZ | Indeed |
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| 17:16.57 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
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| 17:17.01 | g00se | remembers Larry Wall on 'lazy' |
| 17:18.19 | amanda-c | wow. rsync is giving me download speeds of over 200 megabits. that's cool. |
| 17:18.26 | LobbyZ | lol |
| 17:18.29 | LobbyZ | you lucky bastard |
| 17:18.36 | NiveusLuna | speaking of doing that, I've been considering setting my server to reboot either once a week or once a day to load a new kernel if one's been released |
| 17:18.36 | LobbyZ | I'm lucky enough to get 1.2mbit |
| 17:18.40 | amanda-c | rofl it's a 10mb pipe. it's just doing a crc check. |
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| 17:19.12 | NiveusLuna | I know there's a way to load the new kernel without rebooting, but I don't remember where the instructions were. |
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| 17:20.35 | NiveusLuna | can a crontab reboot the system? |
| 17:20.47 | LobbyZ | yea |
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| 17:20.57 | amanda-c | i really don't want to go out. i want someone else to bring the hamburger to me. sams, $20 for a 10 lb tube. or maybe it's $40 for a 20 lb tube, i forget. anyway, a lot. |
| 17:21.03 | amanda-c | NiveusLuna: yeah, if it's running as root. |
| 17:21.19 | NEWLiNE | i have a pc with no monitor, i would like to put debian in and for it to self install with openssh |
| 17:21.27 | amanda-c | hmm. but it's good hamburger tho, 90/10, not the usually 73/27 garbage you get at $2/lb. |
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| 17:21.43 | g00se | NiveusLuna: I think for very low level stuff automation is taking laziness potentially dangerously too far |
| 17:22.03 | amanda-c | NEWLiNE: you need a monitor to start the install. once you get to the main menu and can start the sshd, then you can disconnect the head and ssh in. |
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| 17:22.51 | amanda-c | hmm. cygwin is now down to 300k. roommate must be downloading pr0n again. no, wait, that's my pr0n download. nm. |
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| 17:23.02 | hexoroid | is there a quick way to replace something in a document like hello world with hello debian |
| 17:23.03 | LobbyZ | Aww |
| 17:23.14 | hexoroid | like sed.. i tryed reading it but didnt understand it |
| 17:23.15 | musolinoa | hexoroid: `man sed` |
| 17:23.34 | amanda-c | hexoroid: <insert text editor here> |
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| 17:23.44 | amanda-c | if it's actually a text document, nano is pretty easy |
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| 17:24.08 | g00se | hexoroid: sed -i 's/hello world/hello debian/g' filename |
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| 17:25.31 | amanda-c | okay. hamburger. hasta. |
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| 17:26.28 | hexoroid | g00ges let me try |
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| 17:27.12 | hexoroid | g00se i tryed that but |
| 17:27.14 | hexoroid | sed: 1: "filename": unterminated substitute pattern |
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| 17:29.56 | verblendet | ok,got it, hahaha, just found that php uses a compiled in gettext support,not a module! |
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| 17:30.09 | Phlogi_ | I always get this messages when using apt: insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql already provided! |
| 17:30.09 | Phlogi_ | insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql-8.4 already provided! |
| 17:30.10 | verblendet | this means, you cant use any emulation because functions exists already |
| 17:30.17 | Phlogi_ | can anyone help me getting rid of them? |
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| 17:30.36 | verblendet | this also means you cant use phpgettext at all if you have fcgid and apache worker running because it wont have support for apache worker! |
| 17:30.40 | verblendet | ouch |
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| 17:31.18 | verblendet | that means, if you want a secure server with debian and apache worker+fcgid+php, you have to recompile complete php support :P |
| 17:31.18 | LobbyZ | I fail on installing a mailclient |
| 17:31.27 | g00se | hexoroid: Please paste exact command you executed |
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| 17:31.39 | verblendet | so, wtf? everything is modular, except gettext, hahahaha, crazy |
| 17:31.44 | verblendet | any solution to this? |
| 17:33.03 | LobbyZ | Who wants to loose their entire hair by helping me install a mailclient? |
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| 17:33.42 | cahoot | aptitude install mutt |
| 17:34.08 | LobbyZ | a graphical mailclient* |
| 17:34.28 | JPT | apt-get install thunderbird |
| 17:34.28 | xeon-enouf | LobbyZ: /etc/motd.tail |
| 17:34.38 | LobbyZ | JPT, its a VPS |
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| 17:34.47 | LobbyZ | xeon-enouf, i've done it on motd |
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| 17:35.03 | JPT | xD |
| 17:35.14 | JPT | nano /var/mail/`whoami` |
| 17:36.09 | LobbyZ | what? |
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| 17:38.40 | verblendet | do i have to register somewhere to post a bug? |
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| 17:39.34 | patrikf | no, you only need an email account |
| 17:39.39 | pngwn | !tell verblendet -about bug |
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| 17:41.00 | Gnurdux | is there anything equivalent to loopback devices and easy that doesnt require root privileges? |
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| 17:41.37 | The2morrowMan_ | Is there a way to create a new tty (tty7 or 8) that is nothing but a syslog tail? |
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| 17:44.36 | xeon-enouf | ready for amazingly blazing d/l speed? |
| 17:44.41 | xeon-enouf | 2009-10-03 09:15:49 (30.7 MB/s) - `crhxKNkZy-Y' |
| 17:44.56 | xeon-enouf | a 930Byte file :-P |
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| 17:45.54 | The2morrowMan | I can do that! |
| 17:45.58 | The2morrowMan | ... over my lan... |
| 17:46.02 | xeon-enouf | LobbyZ: ahh yes. the .tail is where one would append their message |
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| 17:46.25 | themill | verblendet: I use phpgettext with debian's php without any problems -- what's not working for you? |
| 17:46.41 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.51 | xeon-enouf | it';s a Ballmer-egg-fest :-P |
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| 17:48.22 | xeon-enouf | Gnurdux: not that i know of, but loop is easy to me, it seems - what do you need to do? possible there;s another way - and i suppose you can't get root privs? |
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| 17:48.40 | Gnurdux | nvm, its not a big deal |
| 17:48.42 | BackLash|TheFly | !start a distro war |
| 17:48.42 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
| 17:49.07 | gumpert345 | hi, I installed netatalk using this howto http://www.kremalicious.com/2008/06/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/ but when I try to log in it wont accept my password, I tryed to log in with the account name of a debian server user and its password |
| 17:49.17 | xeon-enouf | Gnurdux: there's a thing called cdemu, just so you know |
| 17:49.27 | deever | anyone here who knows what i need to install for having syntax highlighting in vim? |
| 17:49.44 | xeon-enouf | and users in the cdrom group can access cds, so - i don;t know how that cdemu installs itself though |
| 17:49.46 | deever | on a server on which i don't want all this X11 stuff, i mean |
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| 17:49.53 | themill | deever: /msg dpkg vim syntax highlighting |
| 17:50.34 | xeon-enouf | deever: it's incorrectly spelled as hilight - just like in irssi |
| 17:50.45 | xeon-enouf | IIRC |
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| 17:51.14 | maher | does anyone understand how to use names in gnumeric? |
| 17:52.32 | deever | lol |
| 17:52.33 | xeon-enouf | themill: might want to create a vsh symlink to that factoid? :-P |
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| 17:53.14 | deever | i anticipated that when i can use 'vim' already, that the "vim" packages is installed! |
| 17:53.28 | xeon-enouf | gumpert345: netatalk is 7eH 3vilz |
| 17:53.46 | deever | themill: thank you! |
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| 17:53.48 | themill | deever: it's the cut-down version of vim that you get by default (saves disk space etc) |
| 17:53.52 | xeon-enouf | deever: yeah, vim-full |
| 17:54.12 | deever | xeon-enouf: no |
| 17:54.12 | deever | xeon-enouf: vim |
| 17:54.13 | deever | ;) |
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| 17:54.24 | xeon-enouf | or vim is the real one, vim-tiny is what you have |
| 17:54.38 | dustybin | im confused |
| 17:54.52 | xeon-enouf | deever: there used to be a vim-full.. during transition from installing the slimmed down version |
| 17:55.22 | xeon-enouf | for ex, there's still a mrxvt-full |
| 17:55.37 | xeon-enouf | and a scaled dowm smaller version |
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| 17:56.15 | xeon-enouf | there exists a kde-full for kde4, IINM |
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| 17:56.47 | dustybin | i have 2 remote servers, and would like to create ssh keys for each host |
| 17:57.02 | dustybin | i am following this guide: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1198 |
| 17:57.06 | xeon-enouf | deever: ssh-keygen -rsa ... |
| 17:57.19 | dustybin | i can create ssh keys for one host, no problem |
| 17:57.23 | xeon-enouf | erm, dustybin , not deever |
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| 17:57.35 | dustybin | but what is the correct way of creating keys for 2 different hosts |
| 17:57.50 | dustybin | should i just use the same private key on both hosts |
| 17:57.57 | asg | dustybin: save the key in a different file besides id-rsa.pub |
| 17:58.06 | asg | dustybin: ssh -i /path/to/key me@server |
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| 17:58.19 | dustybin | hmm |
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| 17:58.22 | asg | dustybin: you can also set the key for each server in ~/.ssh/config |
| 17:58.48 | asg | dustybin: or, as you said, you can sacrifice some security by using the same key for both servers. |
| 17:59.01 | dustybin | indeed |
| 17:59.10 | dustybin | i need to think |
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| 18:01.00 | bayer | hi there, i'm just trying to set up a vlan, between 2pcs via a managed switch (linksys slm 2024) - when i ping machine B (debian) from machine A, tcpdump on the vlan interface of B only shows arp requests - no replies. why doesnt B want to reply? |
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| 18:02.17 | vargadanis | hi i was here earlier today with a dual boot problem... I couldn't resolve it yet. Here are some info that might help you guys http://pastebin.com/m410f04b4 |
| 18:02.23 | vargadanis | please take a look if you have a min |
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| 18:04.00 | dustybin | what is the difference between dsa and rsa ? |
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| 18:04.25 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: did you install the windows OS after partitioning in linux? Windows is fussy ;) |
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| 18:04.34 | asg | dustybin: rsa is considered stronger at this point and should be used |
| 18:04.43 | dustybin | right ok :D |
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| 18:04.56 | asg | vargadanis: try rootnoverify (hd0,1) |
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| 18:05.45 | vargadanis | jpinx-eeepc, yes.. i only had linux on but i had to install cause of certain software i am forced to use for university |
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| 18:06.18 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: possibly better with a VM - or would it run in wine? |
| 18:06.31 | vargadanis | asg, why do you suggest me that? |
| 18:06.47 | dustybin | asg: Enter file in which to save the key (/root/.ssh/id_rsa): |
| 18:06.50 | asg | vargadanis: because /dev/sda1 is (hd0,0) so /dev/sda2 would be (hd0,1) |
| 18:06.55 | dustybin | can i call the file something different? |
| 18:07.00 | asg | dustybin: yes, or chose a different name |
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| 18:07.13 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: looks like your NTFS boot partition is #3, so grub will call that #2 so try that |
| 18:07.15 | dustybin | asg: do i need to stick to some kind of filename standard? |
| 18:07.36 | asg | dustybin: no, but naming keys after the machine they belong to is helpful in remember which is which :) |
| 18:07.42 | dustybin | ace |
| 18:07.56 | dustybin | thinks asg is a clever sod |
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| 18:08.13 | asg | is a sod, but not that clever |
| 18:08.24 | vargadanis | jpinx-eeepc, the software uses directx... tried VM and wine too... no such luck :S |
| 18:09.08 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: ok - play with the partition numbers that grub is trying. Grub starts at 0 |
| 18:09.29 | vargadanis | alright.. |
| 18:09.31 | vargadanis | thanx |
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| 18:09.47 | vargadanis | i'll try that now |
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| 18:15.09 | verblendet | themill, sry for late response... had to look for my daughter. ok, i use apache mpm worker with fcgid, i saw now gettext is compiled in instead of a loadable module |
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| 18:15.24 | verblendet | as mention on the php website, gettext library does not work with mpm worker |
| 18:15.26 | vargadanis | hi |
| 18:15.39 | vargadanis | your tips worked out |
| 18:15.47 | verblendet | so the problenm now is, i cant uninstall gettext and use emulation... |
| 18:15.51 | vargadanis | I managed to boot the wonder OS |
| 18:15.52 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: what number worked? |
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| 18:16.29 | verblendet | themill, "The GNU gettext library works on a per-process, not per-thread basis. This means that in a multi-user setting such as the Apache web server it will only work with a prefork MPM (i.e. one process per user). Worker and other threaded MPMs will not work." |
| 18:16.46 | vargadanis | i had to first: boot up the recovery console do fixboot and then mess with grub boot options... so next time someone comes in with this, I know how to help him/her :) |
| 18:16.57 | verblendet | and its statically compiled into php in debian, where everythig is modular, except gettext |
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| 18:17.12 | jpinx-eeepc | vargadanis: cool - add itto the wiki ;) |
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| 18:17.23 | dustybin | asg: is it possible to paste the private key files together so that stay in the same file so i dont need to use the ssh -i option ? |
| 18:17.23 | verblendet | and this is definitely a bug |
| 18:17.34 | cheako | Hello, any one know how I can determine the size(in bytes and/or blocks) of an iso filesystem if it's in a larger container? Am willing to read superblocks in hex. |
| 18:17.53 | asg | dustybin: you can put an entry for each server in ~/.ssh/config and specify the key there so you don't need to use -i |
| 18:18.01 | dustybin | ohhhhh |
| 18:18.10 | asg | dustybin: man ssh_config |
| 18:18.16 | dustybin | right ok |
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| 18:24.09 | themill | verblendet: statically compiled or not doesn't change anything here does it? |
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| 18:24.39 | verblendet | themill, no, but i simply can not load the gettext module and use emulation, and voila, it works |
| 18:24.43 | Fare | I solved my font problems by faking a 75dpi DisplaySize in my xorg.conf |
| 18:24.48 | verblendet | the problem is that it cant be unloaded |
| 18:24.54 | verblendet | so i definitely cant use it |
| 18:24.56 | Fare | however, there remains my keyboard problem. |
| 18:25.26 | verblendet | if you want worker and fcgid, its impossible to use any gettext or emulation, bacuse lib wont work, and emulation scripts cant redfine_() |
| 18:25.28 | Fare | somehow, xkb got my keys all mixed up: PgUp, etc. are wrong. |
| 18:25.31 | verblendet | thats a bug! |
| 18:25.41 | Fare | and konsole still confuses Alt and Meta. |
| 18:25.55 | themill | verblendet: you can use phpgettext quite happily with the debian packages. You just use the T_*() functions instead. |
| 18:26.14 | verblendet | themill, sorry,no way, i dont rewrite all scripts! |
| 18:26.21 | verblendet | thats a dirty workaround btw |
| 18:26.27 | themill | verblendet: (and because php's gettext is so horribly broken, you pretty much should always do that anyway) |
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| 18:26.41 | verblendet | cant redfine_(), so you cant have a wrapper function, nor use pear gettext |
| 18:27.02 | verblendet | themill, and because its broken, it should become a module and not statical compiles |
| 18:27.06 | verblendet | compiled in php ;) |
| 18:27.24 | verblendet | i'll do a report now and hope that will be fixed very very fast ;) |
| 18:27.54 | verblendet | believe me,i tried the whole last 3 days to determine this problem |
| 18:28.12 | vargadanis | jpinx-eeepc, you mean the debian wiki? yeah i could do that |
| 18:28.22 | themill | verblendet: it won't be fixed in lenny, I can promise you that. Are you sure it's actually able to be compiled as a loadable module? The php docs don't indicate that to be the case. |
| 18:28.24 | verblendet | in my scripts i use a __ function instead of _ makes it easy to switch fro gettext to emulation |
| 18:28.31 | verblendet | but not all scripts do so :P |
| 18:28.54 | verblendet | themill, yes its possible to compile as a module |
| 18:28.55 | themill | verblendet: T_() from phpgettext already does that, you don't need your own __() btw. |
| 18:29.28 | verblendet | themill, i dont want to change e.g. whole squirrelmail source to use T_ or somewhat_ instead of_ |
| 18:29.34 | verblendet | thats NOT possible |
| 18:29.58 | verblendet | at least what should i say to my users? hey , get a texteditor and rewrite your code? dont care about updates:P |
| 18:29.58 | themill | verblendet: yeah, I know that. I'm just saying that for *your* scripts, you don't need __() as T_() already exists |
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| 18:30.21 | dustybin | asg: IdentityFile ~/.ssh/blah |
| 18:30.26 | verblendet | themill, no, i use my own emulation function, no need to use T_ |
| 18:30.38 | dustybin | i can specify multiple identity files, they will be tried in seqence |
| 18:30.49 | verblendet | thats pear, and i dont have acces s to pear, or want to avoid that because maybe other users use my scripts and dont have that ;= |
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| 18:31.35 | verblendet | lenny isnt tat old,i wonder why bugs dont get fixed then |
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| 18:32.01 | verblendet | just provide a binary without gettext |
| 18:32.14 | themill | verblendet: that would then break existing installations. /msg dpkg stable |
| 18:32.19 | verblendet | i would, but i definitely dont knwo how to recompile somethign in debian,esp. php |
| 18:32.39 | themill | verblendet: you could always not use fcgi and just use prefork -- that's pretty much the only mode of operation that php upstream supports and tests from what I've seen. |
| 18:32.41 | verblendet | provide a package without gettext would do it |
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| 18:33.26 | Morten_ | Hey - I have a little problem - not quite sure if it is a gnome or debian problem: In the system tray I have an icon showing be that I have 1 update available. But when I update and full-upgrade, there isn't any update.. |
| 18:33.31 | verblendet | and thats a problem definitely,modern systems with a lot of users should use worker |
| 18:33.38 | verblendet | hagr! |
| 18:33.48 | maher | verblendet: dpkg-buildpackage isn't ludicrously difficult to use |
| 18:33.55 | Fare | apt-get install cm-super-x11 and is freed! |
| 18:34.00 | Morten_ | even if I click on the icon, it doesn't show any updates.. |
| 18:34.22 | verblendet | maher, i have no clue |
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| 18:34.31 | verblendet | is there an example page with a nice howto? |
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| 18:34.42 | verblendet | its 'just': recompile php without gettext |
| 18:34.42 | maher | verblendet: what do you want to (re)build |
| 18:34.49 | themill | verblendet: /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 18:35.18 | asg | dustybin: *nod* |
| 18:35.26 | verblendet | ok, doesnt sound much hard |
| 18:35.38 | verblendet | i'll try, but what do i have to change to disable gettext? |
| 18:36.38 | maher | verblendet: download the debianized source (eg apt-get source), then edit debian/rules so it runs ./configure without gettext - you will probably have to celan up the install files as well |
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| 18:36.54 | verblendet | ok, thx, i iwll do that |
| 18:37.07 | verblendet | if this fixes the problem everything is nice :) and sun shines again |
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| 18:37.17 | verblendet | thx a lot for listening and help |
| 18:37.23 | c0ll3c70r | dpkg: regarding .../libc-bin_2.9-27_i386.deb containing libc-bin: |
| 18:37.23 | c0ll3c70r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.24 | dpkg | c0ll3c70r: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:37.54 | c0ll3c70r | someone know how to fix this crap? |
| 18:38.11 | gumpert345 | when I set up netatalk I wrote this: media/daten/Timemachine Timemachine allow:xxx password:xxx cnidscheme:cdb options:usedots,upriv into AppleVolumes.default, maybe that is wrong? |
| 18:40.04 | c0ll3c70r | someone |
| 18:40.05 | c0ll3c70r | ? |
| 18:40.19 | sepult | 589403Ã58943058439 |
| 18:40.28 | sepult | 101 |
| 18:40.39 | maher | c0ll3c70r: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:41.08 | c0ll3c70r | i tried to install flex, then i start to get this errors |
| 18:41.10 | Fare | gah, none of the fonts in cm-super-x11 seems to be tagged as monospace, so I can't use it in a terminal :( |
| 18:41.17 | c0ll3c70r | when i try to upg dpkg i get libc6 error |
| 18:41.17 | themill | verblendet: I can see how to disable gettext completely in the build but not how to make it a loadable module. For your personal workaround, that's fine but for debian that's more of an issue. BTW remember to subscribe to debian-security-announce so you know when you have to rebuild your package again because of security updates for php. |
| 18:41.22 | c0ll3c70r | i cant install libc6 too |
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| 18:42.27 | verblendet | themill, thx for info, thats what i expected, i have to take care of all updates now on myself ;) |
| 18:42.52 | asg | themill: I thought the security update procedure for php was --purge php? |
| 18:42.53 | verblendet | thats a bit against my decision why i used debian on my new machine ;) i had an lfs before |
| 18:43.01 | themill | verblendet: unfortunately, yes. And that's not trivial when it comes to php, unfortunately. |
| 18:43.05 | verblendet | asg,fullack |
| 18:43.14 | themill | asg: yep... |
| 18:43.31 | asg | chortles |
| 18:43.33 | maher | c0ll3c70r: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:43.36 | verblendet | i'll think again of the prefork solution |
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| 18:44.13 | c0ll3c70r | maher 4.0 |
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| 18:44.49 | verblendet | themill, the squirrelmail docu mentions about the gettext module, http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/TranslateGettext |
| 18:44.55 | maher | c0ll3c70r: how did you try and install flex? |
| 18:45.13 | verblendet | and thats also how i enabled it on my old server, apache 1.3, php4, lfs.... |
| 18:46.11 | verblendet | themill, the php source package is different from the binary? i mean, it is unpatched? |
| 18:46.24 | c0ll3c70r | maher apt-get install flex |
| 18:46.37 | maher | verblendet: it come with a .tar.gz and the patches |
| 18:46.57 | maher | c0ll3c70r: that should have worked |
| 18:47.02 | verblendet | i c |
| 18:47.14 | maher | c0ll3c70r: where do your /etc/apt/sources point |
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| 18:48.33 | c0ll3c70r | maher u mean my source list? |
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| 18:48.49 | maher | c0ll3c70r: yes - if they point to stable, then stable is now 5.0 |
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| 18:49.22 | owen1 | can i list the apps i installed, but only the ones that appear on the application menu? |
| 18:50.09 | c0ll3c70r | maher sec i'll show u |
| 18:50.13 | owen1 | i want to see all the packages i, as a user can use. not kernel/internal packages. |
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| 18:51.08 | c0ll3c70r | wow maher my source list is empty |
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| 18:51.35 | maher | c0ll3c70r: hmmm.... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:51.50 | c0ll3c70r | ah mistake in writing ) |
| 18:52.06 | c0ll3c70r | can i query u |
| 18:53.20 | maher | c0ll3c70r: yes |
| 18:53.57 | maher | c0ll3c70r: you seem to be running unstable |
| 18:54.18 | c0ll3c70r | yeah |
| 18:54.29 | maher | c0ll3c70r: sometimes unstable is just broken |
| 18:54.34 | c0ll3c70r | but the last one says "stable main" |
| 18:55.07 | macrobat | owen1: maybe not exactly want you want, but if you have bash completion and open a bash shell, press tab twice and answer y |
| 18:55.20 | c0ll3c70r | maher any idea how to fix it? |
| 18:55.27 | c0ll3c70r | mb installing packages from stable one? |
| 18:55.32 | maher | apt has a tendency to choose the most recent version of packages available from the sources |
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| 18:57.27 | c0ll3c70r | so any fix for my problem? ) |
| 18:57.29 | owen1 | macrobat: i'll try it, thanks |
| 18:58.20 | maher | c0ll3c70r: does dpkg work? |
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| 19:03.46 | c0ll3c70r | maher yes |
| 19:04.04 | maher | c0ll3c70r: does aptitude work? try: aptitude update |
| 19:04.58 | c0ll3c70r | it says done |
| 19:05.26 | maher | c0ll3c70r: try aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:05.34 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: verblendet FWIW -- grub2 starts at hd0,1 - not hd0,0 |
| 19:06.23 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: verblendet and on Debian the grub-legacy is grub1, all other grub-* are grub2 (except grub-common used in both) |
| 19:06.36 | _stack_ | hi , I have a dual stack debian machine (ipv4, ipv6), how do I give "precedence" to ipv4? |
| 19:06.37 | jpinx-eeepc | xeon-enouf: thanks dude - I was working from grub info - never used grub2 yet ;) |
| 19:06.47 | xeon-enouf | sure, np |
| 19:06.55 | c0ll3c70r | maher its seems there is no aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 19:07.25 | xeon-enouf | jpinx-eeepc: you can learn a lot (about grub2 since 1 is no longer being devel) via squatting in #grub |
| 19:07.54 | maher | c0ll3c70r: ok - you have the old version of aptitude from etch |
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| 19:08.22 | jpinx-eeepc | squats in #grub ;) |
| 19:08.57 | c0ll3c70r | is there any way to fix it by upgrading |
| 19:09.07 | Fabi86 | hello, whats the channel language? eng or german? |
| 19:09.17 | maher | c0ll3c70r: i dunno - decide which version of debian you want to be running and see if you can either update or downgrade all packages you have that aren't from that version.... |
| 19:09.21 | c0ll3c70r | or puling libc6 and install it without dpkg/apt ) |
| 19:09.29 | Fabi86 | ok its eng ;) |
| 19:09.38 | c0ll3c70r | maher i want to update to lenny if possible |
| 19:09.43 | Fabi86 | are there any debian sw-raid1 lvm experts in here?? |
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| 19:10.06 | asg | Fabi86: ask your question. Someone will assist if they can. |
| 19:10.11 | maher | c0ll3c70r: change all your sources to lenny, read the lenny upgrade instructions and follow them |
| 19:10.20 | c0ll3c70r | key |
| 19:10.23 | c0ll3c70r | thank you a lot |
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| 19:12.09 | peterius | why doesn't grub2 save the last boot entry? |
| 19:12.43 | Fabi86 | ok here my problem, i have a running hetzner rootserver which was installed without lvm. now we want to use lvm, so i olny wanted to ask: is it safe (and a good idea) to shrink the main raid device /dev/mdx, shrink the filesystem on it, create a lvm volume (pool) out of the new free space, and move all data from the normal shrinked raid1 to the lvm volume? --> later on i would correct the fstab and use the shrinked rai |
| 19:12.52 | xeon-enouf | oops verblendet i meant vargadanis |
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| 19:13.12 | xeon-enouf | verblendet: see what i just mentioned to jpinx-eeepc |
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| 19:13.29 | xeon-enouf | a few lines up there ^^^^^ |
| 19:13.50 | xeon-enouf | shit |
| 19:14.05 | xeon-enouf | sorry again verblendet: vargadanis see what i just mentioned to jpinx-eeepc |
| 19:14.46 | verblendet | no problem:) |
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| 19:15.32 | Fabi86 | *waiting for answers* |
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| 19:16.41 | Fabi86 | common people, you are the experts ;) |
| 19:16.43 | Grins | :* |
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| 19:18.09 | Fabi86 | my problem, i have a running hetzner rootserver which was installed without lvm. now we want to use lvm, so i olny wanted to ask: is it safe (and a good idea) to shrink the main raid device /dev/mdx, shrink the filesystem on it, create a lvm volume (pool) out of the new free space, and move all data from the normal shrinked raid1 to the lvm volume? --> later on i would correct the fstab and use the shrinked raid volume |
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| 19:18.27 | asg | Fabi86: do you have a good, know, tested backup of the data? |
| 19:18.48 | asg | *known |
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| 19:19.04 | Fabi86 | not really thats my problem! -> time is running out and i cant deactive the server, its a xen host |
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| 19:19.48 | asg | Fabi86: can you take the server offline? |
| 19:19.59 | Fabi86 | for a short time yes |
| 19:20.04 | Fabi86 | but not for long |
| 19:21.07 | asg | Fabi86: you might look at replicating the extant data to a remote system that is already setup with LVM using DRBD. |
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| 19:22.06 | Fabi86 | you but we dont have an identical server |
| 19:22.11 | Fabi86 | you = yes |
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| 19:25.27 | faffi | Anybody know how to remove a tap device? |
| 19:25.34 | soc1 | hi |
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| 19:26.06 | asg | Fabi86: then without adequate backups, I'd strongly advise against trying to shrink the filesystem |
| 19:26.08 | soc1 | i wanted to reply to a bugreport and sent an email to 123456@bugs.debian.org, but my mail doesn't appear there! |
| 19:26.44 | Fabi86 | ok thx i tink i will not do it |
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| 19:27.29 | radoe_ | soc1: how long did you wait? It may take some time till your report appears in the BTS. |
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| 19:27.56 | soc1 | i sent it 15 minutes ago |
| 19:28.19 | verblendet | Fabi86, my solution would be to sync to a new server, hetzner has cheap rootservers, and they would be set up in munutes, then create the lvm, and copy over data |
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| 19:28.28 | radoe_ | soc1: wait a little bit longer. |
| 19:28.28 | verblendet | without a backup, i would not do it |
| 19:28.37 | soc1 | ok, thanks! |
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| 19:29.04 | verblendet | but erm, weekend, hetzner does not work on wekends :))) |
| 19:29.13 | asg | haha |
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| 19:29.37 | verblendet | Fabi86, what means time is running out? a couple of hours? a day or 2? |
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| 19:30.47 | mesa_booger | the unix epoch ends in only some 25 years |
| 19:30.57 | sepult | it means we get photon depletion |
| 19:31.30 | sepult | at the end of the universe |
| 19:31.31 | claytonwalker | uhm... when i turn on debian, sometimes the screen starts scrolling to the right excruciatingly fast. why would happen? |
| 19:31.54 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: more like 29 years :) |
| 19:32.14 | soc1 | radoe_: ok, i received an email that the bts has received my reply |
| 19:32.14 | Fabi86 | 2 days |
| 19:32.19 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: and that only applies to 32 bit systems, no less. 64 bit clocks will run quite a bit longer. |
| 19:32.30 | soc1 | but it doesn't appear on the web ... doesn't it do that automatically? |
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| 19:32.40 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: thanks for that |
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| 19:33.10 | PinkFreud | no problem |
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| 19:33.42 | soc1 | ah ok ... now it updated |
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| 19:41.54 | hadi | help |
| 19:42.04 | hadi | do u support debian shell ? |
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| 19:42.15 | JPT | probably^^ |
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| 19:44.08 | hadi | hadi18@srvgam01:~/bircd$ ./bircd |
| 19:44.08 | hadi | failed to run in background, try "bircd foreground" if it doesnt work otherwise |
| 19:44.20 | hadi | how to run it on foreground |
| 19:44.39 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 19:44.45 | PinkFreud | you follow the directions? |
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| 19:45.07 | hadi | to write : bircd foreground ? |
| 19:45.26 | hadi | i wrote it |
| 19:46.01 | PinkFreud | the same way you tried to launch bircd, except add foreground as an argument. |
| 19:46.08 | PinkFreud | $ ./bircd foreground |
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| 19:47.35 | hadi | PinkFreud : how to do it |
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| 19:48.04 | hadi | !paste |
| 19:48.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 19:48.05 | Ian_ | im a huge faggot plz rape my face |
| 19:48.09 | PinkFreud | hadi: Re-read what I said, please. |
| 19:48.29 | PinkFreud | Ian_: again? I'm still too tired from the last time. |
| 19:48.38 | Ian_ | wat. |
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| 19:49.01 | hadi | PinkFreud : http://paste.debian.net/48068/ |
| 19:49.09 | sepult | lol |
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| 19:49.19 | mernill | Hello everyone! :-) |
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| 19:50.01 | PinkFreud | hadi: in that case, you might want to look for support for bircd |
| 19:50.21 | PinkFreud | it claims that 'bircd foreground' will work, but your paste clearly shows that it doesn't |
| 19:50.47 | mernill | PinkFreud: what the fuck? Fuck off! |
| 19:50.56 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: as a matter of fact, the unix epoch ends for all practical purposes some time in 2036 (27ish years hence) when ntp runs out. and ntp time, altho 64 bit, only uses 32 bits to store the time since 1900 |
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| 19:51.20 | mernill | fuck off you fucker we dont like fucks like you! |
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| 19:51.32 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: ahh, was thinking it was 2038. |
| 19:51.35 | mernill | fuck off! |
| 19:51.43 | hadi | mernill fuck u too :) |
| 19:52.06 | mernill | hadi: and ur an indian :-P |
| 19:52.07 | sepult | ftw |
| 19:52.21 | lordlicorice | ouch |
| 19:52.22 | PinkFreud | and ntp is only for keeping clocks in sync. it's not required to rrun a *nix system. |
| 19:52.29 | gnz11 | make a cpu that runs off roman numersls |
| 19:52.37 | PinkFreud | all it means is the ntp devels have 27 years to fix the code. |
| 19:52.39 | mernill | but im sure ur nice hadi :-) |
| 19:52.40 | jelly-home | PinkFreud: it _is_ 2038. And starts with 1970-01-01 |
| 19:52.47 | lordlicorice | hadi left.. |
| 19:52.49 | sepult | fuckwits you |
| 19:52.54 | PinkFreud | jelly-home: ahh, thought so. thanks |
| 19:52.56 | sepult | lol |
| 19:53.14 | mernill | i just dont like kines people.. :-| |
| 19:53.22 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: that's ordinary unix time. seconds since 1970, stored in 31 bits |
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| 19:53.53 | AimHere | Well 32 bits, but it's twos complement |
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| 19:53.59 | gnz11 | what's signif of 1970 |
| 19:54.15 | AimHere | So the really big numbers are times before 1970 |
| 19:54.17 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: yes. systems utilizing a 64 bit clock won't have an issue in 2038. |
| 19:54.20 | mernill | that fucks keep spending here in the kitchen all night long :-( |
| 19:54.27 | PinkFreud | gnz11: the rough birthdate of unix |
| 19:54.41 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: they will if they use ntp |
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| 19:54.57 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: assuming ntp isn't fixed within the next 29 years. |
| 19:54.58 | mernill | sorry for my language.. but i really dont like them. |
| 19:55.10 | NoCode | FdisK is spamming when joining freenode. Please do something about it. :) |
| 19:55.20 | mernill | i'd kill them fucks if i could! |
| 19:55.21 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: sure. it's not exactly a pressing question. but it needs fixing |
| 19:55.27 | gnz11 | k. iremeber hearing unix dates of 69 plus all the varients |
| 19:55.28 | cafaro | How do you boot Debian without loading X? |
| 19:55.47 | mesa_booger | cafaro: don't run xdm/gdm/kdm or whatever |
| 19:55.53 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: racism? |
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| 19:55.56 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 19:55.59 | PinkFreud | mernill: racism? |
| 19:56.03 | PinkFreud | damn tab complete. :) |
| 19:56.11 | mernill | Im all racist :-) |
| 19:56.14 | NoCode | damn, wrong channel. I fail. |
| 19:56.22 | stuckey | cafaro: hmm, you just /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 19:56.29 | PinkFreud | mernill: That's your choice. Don't bring it in here. |
| 19:56.30 | stuckey | cafaro: well that takes you out of x... |
| 19:56.33 | mesa_booger | themill: can you get that hammer out again |
| 19:56.38 | cafaro | ok |
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| 19:56.55 | stuckey | cafaro: but there's also something to make it where it won't load x when you restart... but I'm forgetting |
| 19:56.59 | mernill | White superiority! Hell Yes! ;-) |
| 19:57.00 | cafaro | isn't there a kernel parameter or something? because i get a black screen when it loads X |
| 19:57.05 | stuckey | Perhaps someone can refresh me |
| 19:57.06 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 19:57.22 | mesa_booger | cafaro: to stop it happening all the time, use update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf or whatever to turn the display manager service off |
| 19:57.38 | gnz11 | can you use boot cheat codes with install? |
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| 19:59.19 | mernill | Im not a rastis, in fact .. my best friend is from afrika <-- hard to belive, i know! |
| 19:59.24 | gnz11 | or edit yur grub with nox line |
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| 19:59.48 | stuckey | mernill: for topics related to the races: #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:00.06 | gnz11 | take it to #ubuntu |
| 20:00.10 | mesa_booger | hehe |
| 20:00.11 | maligor | lots of white people live in africa |
| 20:00.35 | mernill | maligor.. yeah.. ;-) |
| 20:00.44 | gnz11 | put don't try to put yourself as african -american if you move here |
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| 20:02.34 | cafaro | mesa_booger: I'm a newbie, those are bash commands right? right now I am unable to access the terminal, because all i get is a black screen when i boot debian.. |
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| 20:03.06 | mesa_booger | cafaro: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console login. or use the "rescue" boot option in grub |
| 20:03.17 | cafaro | mesa_booger: thanks! |
| 20:03.30 | mernill | malignor: i dont care.. you may live there .. why should i care? YOur fucknig cape town aint .. yeah.. :-P |
| 20:04.27 | mesa_booger | any ops around ? this is getting stupid |
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| 20:04.58 | mernill | mesa_booger: who are you to behave like you do? |
| 20:05.03 | stuckey | cafaro: try booting into recovery/safe mode. |
| 20:05.54 | mernill | fucking behave you fuck.. or i will kick you right in you freaking face! |
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| 20:06.27 | DomiX | hi, is there a way to have ^T to know the status of a program like in *BSD ? |
| 20:06.27 | cahoot | lägg av |
| 20:06.33 | mernill | that's not a .. yeah.. it's a promise! |
| 20:06.41 | cafaro | mesa_booger: both ctrl-alt-f1 and rescue parameter don't work -- I still receive a black screen |
| 20:06.59 | cafaro | stuckey: how would I do that? |
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| 20:07.17 | PinkFreud | mernill: enough. |
| 20:07.50 | stuckey | cafaro: when you restart it gives you it as an option at the blue screen |
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| 20:08.29 | mernill | I'll shut the fuck up . sorry peeps :-) |
| 20:09.11 | maligor | cafaro, what does the rescue option do? (I assumine you mean the (rescue) kernel selection in grub) |
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| 20:09.19 | mernill | but i dont give cahoot any creeds.. that fuckar must die! |
| 20:09.22 | maligor | since it should throw you into single mode |
| 20:09.48 | cafaro | oh, i put "rescue" behind the kernel |
| 20:09.59 | maligor | mm, you probably want 'single' |
| 20:10.01 | PinkFreud | can someone please kick mernill out of here? |
| 20:10.10 | xeon-enouf | we had a nice PM, which i showed him how wrong he was - hey read 'amanda-c' wrote - if she's a she, that my kind of gal :-) |
| 20:10.27 | xeon-enouf | oh shit - sorry *blushes* |
| 20:10.31 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: wrong window dude |
| 20:10.42 | mernill | Pink Freud <-- dont say so! :-( |
| 20:10.47 | cafaro | maligor: ok trying out "single-user mode" now |
| 20:11.01 | maligor | cafaro, it should boot you into a root shell |
| 20:11.15 | mernill | i just said i was going nice! |
| 20:11.34 | cafaro | maligor: thanks it worked :)) |
| 20:11.36 | mernill | and that is my promise! |
| 20:11.44 | PinkFreud | mernill: and yet, you continue to be offtopic. |
| 20:12.15 | mernill | pink Freud! I promise you! :-) |
| 20:12.36 | stuckey | !ops |
| 20:12.36 | dpkg | somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 20:13.22 | mesa_booger | PinkFreud: he is a stupid nazi "fisse". he'll get banned soon enough, so don't feed him |
| 20:13.37 | stuckey | fisse? |
| 20:13.51 | mernill | nazzi :-P |
| 20:13.58 | PinkFreud | mesa_booger: not feeding him. just asking for someone to kick him out. :) |
| 20:14.37 | mernill | i somewhat like mesa_booger ... :-) |
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| 20:15.11 | mernill | a good moderator, and a good friend! |
| 20:15.30 | gnz11 | cntrl-alt baksp to get to cl |
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| 20:15.42 | xand | gnz11: no, that restarts your display manager |
| 20:15.56 | xand | you want ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 20:15.56 | mernill | PinkFreud: I dont think you should badmouth him! |
| 20:16.00 | gnz11 | k |
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| 20:22.22 | ElDiabolo | Does anybody have a pointer on how to package apache modules for debian? |
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| 20:25.05 | mernill | hey peeps :) |
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| 20:26.32 | claytonwalker | kde vs gnome? which is _better_ ? |
| 20:26.49 | dvs | !start a dm war |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | startx is the one true way! |
| 20:27.00 | mernill | Maybe i should silence. |
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| 20:27.44 | claytonwalker | im not trying to star anything, im just anking an honest question. i have no idea which would be better. |
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| 20:27.53 | claytonwalker | start* |
| 20:27.56 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to use a background image in the framebuffer? |
| 20:28.01 | xand | it's a matter of opinion claytonwalker |
| 20:28.09 | xeon-enouf | yeah - shut the fuck up already |
| 20:28.58 | claytonwalker | xeon-enouf: jeez, way to make me feel loved. |
| 20:29.00 | xeon-enouf | you called my friend a name, a=nd i read a whole shitload of your drivel just to find out you have tourettes |
| 20:29.16 | mernill | i actually dont have any problems.. sorry :-( |
| 20:29.29 | xand | claytonwalker: not sure he was talking to you |
| 20:29.29 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: not you -- network lag - bad timing |
| 20:29.43 | claytonwalker | ... oh. ok. |
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| 20:30.11 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: it came here as; a) me, b) you, c) me, d) the tourettes monkey |
| 20:30.17 | maligor | claytonwalker, it's personal preference |
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| 20:30.25 | claytonwalker | alright, ok. |
| 20:30.34 | claytonwalker | just wondering. |
| 20:30.37 | mernill | tho.. charlie daniels is .. a personal favorit! :-) |
| 20:31.04 | mernill | south is going to do it again.. :-) |
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| 20:31.55 | mernill | but im from the northen part of sweden.. somewhat .. yeah.. :-) |
| 20:32.02 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: wait, that replay order wasn't how it was here, _but_ i wasn't directing at you at all - sorry for the noise |
| 20:32.26 | claytonwalker | xeon-enouf: np. |
| 20:32.50 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: try them both; /msg dpkg {install,remove} {kde,gnome} |
| 20:33.07 | claytonwalker | ok, thanks. |
| 20:33.13 | xeon-enouf | you can have both installed at once, claytonwalker |
| 20:33.43 | claytonwalker | xeon-enouf: yeah, so far i have xfce and gnome on it. |
| 20:34.04 | claytonwalker | but xfce looks crappy to me. which is why i wanna try kde |
| 20:34.25 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: i had kde3, kde4 and gnome all sharing the same /home/mesa. it was not good |
| 20:34.37 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: sure, go for it, i use only a WM, no DE bloat here ;-) |
| 20:34.40 | mernill | to be honest.. why cant a white guy ingege with a black girl? |
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| 20:34.57 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i can see you like pain :-P |
| 20:35.02 | mernill | it seems impossibe! |
| 20:35.19 | xeon-enouf | the darker the grape, the sweeter the wine |
| 20:35.27 | mesa_booger | i thought "i'll just try out arch. hmmm kde4 looks like it might be fun. i'll just use the same /home partition for all 3 systems" |
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| 20:35.34 | mernill | at least for me :-P |
| 20:35.35 | mesa_booger | FAIL ! |
| 20:35.37 | xeon-enouf | stops feeding the troll |
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| 20:35.52 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: hahah |
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| 20:36.01 | mernill | :-) |
| 20:36.28 | mernill | sorry.. i know.. im a troll :-) |
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| 20:39.17 | syslq78_ | Should swp be a part of vlm |
| 20:39.38 | PinkFreud | either the ops are asleep or they're tolerating him. |
| 20:39.40 | PinkFreud | go figure. |
| 20:40.03 | PinkFreud | screw it. |
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| 20:40.10 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: what? |
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| 20:40.33 | xeon-enouf | should swap be what? |
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| 20:40.58 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: on lvm |
| 20:41.12 | xeon-enouf | oh ..i'm thinking V-whatwhat? |
| 20:41.18 | xeon-enouf | it can be |
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| 20:41.52 | xeon-enouf | doesn't matter - if you want to be able to easily resize it, and/or provide quota locks or something on it, sure |
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| 20:42.44 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: can you give me /var /tmp sizes too? Before I used guided partitioning |
| 20:42.51 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: I need sane default |
| 20:42.53 | xeon-enouf | !partitions |
| 20:42.53 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
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| 20:43.02 | Pnux | hey guys im running a program (VLC) from console, im wondering if theres any way to close the console without closing VLC. Any ideas? |
| 20:43.03 | xeon-enouf | see last URL |
| 20:43.22 | xand | Pnux: try running vlc & |
| 20:43.39 | xand | though not sure if it works with vlc |
| 20:43.42 | xeon-enouf | Pnux: start screen, launch vlc |
| 20:43.49 | Pnux | xand: its already running |
| 20:44.04 | xand | Pnux: probably not then. |
| 20:44.15 | xand | will screen let you run X programs? |
| 20:44.19 | ElDiabolo | syslq78_: Don't overpartition. Server or Desktop? |
| 20:44.30 | xeon-enouf | Pnux: close yes, but then you won;t beable to get back to it, at all |
| 20:44.36 | xeon-enouf | Pnux: use disown |
| 20:44.44 | syslq78_ | ElDiabolo: desktop |
| 20:44.46 | Pnux | xand: yup |
| 20:44.50 | xeon-enouf | and that VT will be inoccupado |
| 20:45.17 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: i agree with ElDiabolo |
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| 20:45.27 | Pnux | xeon-enouf: dpkg doesnt know what disown is, ill google |
| 20:45.37 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: it depends though - what usage |
| 20:45.51 | wedgeV | hi, what is the user "bin" (uid 2) used for? |
| 20:45.52 | ElDiabolo | syslq78_: I do the following |
| 20:45.58 | ElDiabolo | ooops ... |
| 20:46.00 | syslq78_ | ElDiabolo: yes? |
| 20:46.26 | xeon-enouf | Pnux: see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement |
| 20:46.26 | xand | Pnux: it's a bash command |
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| 20:47.48 | ElDiabolo | syslq78_: / without lvm and an lvm managed partition on home and a snapshot from boot time at /home.old. Swap is rarely needed and put in a file (just in case) |
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| 20:47.55 | Pnux | xeon-enouf, xand: oh well.. too much trouble for nothing, ill just close it and launch it from the gui |
| 20:48.00 | Pnux | thanks for the answer |
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| 20:49.26 | syslq78_ | ElDiabolo: I have planed only using /boot straight old fasihion and 320 vlm for system and 2x500 vlm in raid 1 for data |
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| 20:52.10 | xeon-enouf | ElDiabolo: many (stupid) apps and especially DEs want/use mmap() available on swapspace, even with plenty or RAM available |
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| 20:53.38 | xeon-enouf | so a swapFILE or PARTITION is recommended - in Laptop usage, or even Desktop, if S2ram is wanted, then swap should be as large as RAM atleast - though i think i read, that it compresses, so only 1/2 or so is needed (if RAM is full/allocated/holding data, not just buffered) |
| 20:53.39 | ElDiabolo | syslq78_: I want to avoid a recovery situation where / is on lvm. Not shure if that would really be a problem. |
| 20:53.50 | claytonwalker | wow. it took me less than 24 hours to break debian. |
| 20:53.53 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: get lvm rgith |
| 20:53.55 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 20:54.26 | xeon-enouf | claytonwalker: yeah - i break things well myself - sometimes i'm proud, other times i want to cry |
| 20:54.51 | syslq78_ | ElDiabolo: yeah I'm thinking it might be pointless :) |
| 20:55.11 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: you really shoudl learn and read about LVM2 and mdadm |
| 20:55.12 | claytonwalker | xeon-enouf: I've doenloaded about 4 gbs of updates and progrmas and my own files. im sort of sad now. |
| 20:55.28 | mesa_booger | is there an ops channel for debian ? |
| 20:55.33 | xeon-enouf | yes mesa_booger |
| 20:55.35 | xeon-enouf | -ops |
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| 20:55.50 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: on OFTC.net perhaps only? |
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| 20:56.24 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: but they are the guardians of here too :-) |
| 20:56.42 | xeon-enouf | s/guardians/hitlers/nazi/.. er protectors :-) |
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| 20:57.15 | xeon-enouf | c'mon .. that was funny .. hey, tourettes baboon, you about? |
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| 20:58.52 | mesa_booger | xeon-enouf: he got banned by chanserv. about time too |
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| 21:00.08 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: I just am and it's usleless to put / on vlm if you dont plan on having raid, (so article says) thanks for help |
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| 21:01.31 | glasyalabolis | if I'm going to get the full cd image as opposed to a netinst image all I need to install the base system is cd 1, right? |
| 21:01.57 | stuckey | glasyalabolis: yes |
| 21:02.00 | mesa_booger | glasyalabolis: yes i think that's right. it's what i did |
| 21:02.09 | glasyalabolis | thanks |
| 21:02.19 | stuckey | The others just contain the rest of the dist. |
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| 21:04.33 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: you better also learn about the extreme diffs between grub-legacy(grub1) and grub-pc(grub2) unless you plan on using a diff bootloader |
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| 21:04.45 | iT|Free | Hi @ all |
| 21:04.59 | xeon-enouf | grub-pc could be grub-efi if you have an EFI system |
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| 21:05.14 | iT|Free | I had to boot my server into rescue which is a debian etch system |
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| 21:05.26 | xeon-enouf | ok and? |
| 21:05.32 | iT|Free | now i am trying to mount my crypted volumes |
| 21:05.36 | xeon-enouf | you're in 'single' |
| 21:05.40 | iT|Free | i've installed cryptsetup |
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| 21:05.48 | iT|Free | but i can't do a modprobe |
| 21:05.51 | xeon-enouf | wait, did you do root>passwd or CTRL-D ? |
| 21:05.52 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: nah, dont have time for learning every detail :) |
| 21:06.06 | iT|Free | it says |
| 21:06.07 | iT|Free | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24.3/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:06.11 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: ok - then don't use LVM nor mdadm |
| 21:06.13 | kensanata | On a Debian server, I have a problem with libnet-smtp-ssl-perl -- the AUTH LOGIN command is never sent. The same script works at home on a Mac. Does anybody know of a dependency problem in the SSL chain of dependencies that might be the cause of this? |
| 21:06.25 | iT|Free | and /lib/modules is indeed empty |
| 21:06.33 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: that's not a debian kernel |
| 21:06.52 | xeon-enouf | and that dir being empty is not good |
| 21:07.21 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: allow me to ask, which MTA? |
| 21:07.29 | iT|Free | xeon-enouf: mhh, but my source.list says s.th. about debian and etch |
| 21:07.44 | iT|Free | can you tell me how i can 'rebuild' this dir? |
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| 21:08.10 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: any netatalk, or avahi-daemon or bonjour involved? |
| 21:08.10 | xeon-enouf | or zeroconf for etch? |
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| 21:08.23 | xeon-enouf | oh crap - mixed info - apologies |
| 21:08.32 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: no, usea debian kernel |
| 21:08.39 | xeon-enouf | on Debian installation |
| 21:08.47 | iT|Free | xeon-enouf: i can't it's a rescue system |
| 21:08.58 | iT|Free | i can only use this one |
| 21:09.27 | xeon-enouf | i thought you meant 'rescue' as in 'recovery' or 'single' boot option |
| 21:09.37 | kensanata | xeon-enouf: I'm using Net::SMTP::SSL to connect to smtp.google.com port 465 from a Perl script I wrote myself. |
| 21:09.51 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 21:10.13 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: might want to ask #perl then |
| 21:10.55 | xeon-enouf | which rescue system |
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| 21:11.20 | kensanata | xeon-enouf: Ok, thanks. Since the same script works on my local system, I thought that it might something our sysadmin might need to know about. I'll go ask on #perl. |
| 21:12.04 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: you still need a MTA, unless using a SmartHost + forwarding, no? |
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| 21:12.14 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: is exim4 installed? running? |
| 21:12.52 | iT|Free | xeon-enouf: it's a server on a remote side |
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| 21:13.11 | kensanata | xeon-enouf: Well, that's whatever Google is running on the SMTP host, right? I don't need an MTA on my local server if all I do is connect to the SMTP server and deliver the message. |
| 21:13.13 | iT|Free | and i can boot a so called 'rescue system' |
| 21:13.17 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: here's ALL i know about gmail+perl+iceweasel (firefox) http://dcc.vu/ubuntu-linux-file-send-link-with-gmail.html |
| 21:13.39 | kensanata | xeon-enouf: Thanks. :) |
| 21:14.45 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: guess this is the parent URI http://xantus.vox.com/library/post/howto-use-gmail-for-mailto-links-linuxubuntu.html |
| 21:15.06 | iT|Free | and if i use cryptsetup luksOpen |
| 21:15.11 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: i didn't ask you that |
| 21:15.22 | iT|Free | it tells meFailed to setup dm-crypt key mapping |
| 21:15.28 | iT|Free | Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/rootvg/tmp.c contains at least 258 sectors |
| 21:15.40 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: "which" rescue system? |
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| 21:15.49 | xeon-enouf | what the F is it? |
| 21:15.52 | xeon-enouf | who made it? |
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| 21:16.00 | xeon-enouf | what kernel is it? |
| 21:16.33 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: you have deeper issues, than those last messages |
| 21:16.46 | xeon-enouf | no /lib/modules dir/ means you |
| 21:16.49 | xeon-enouf | 're fucked |
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| 21:16.56 | iT|Free | it only tells me |
| 21:16.57 | iT|Free | Thu Jun 5 17:22:04 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:17.01 | iT|Free | 2.6.24.3 |
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| 21:17.09 | xeon-enouf | atleast with any debian linux-image-version |
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| 21:17.20 | xeon-enouf | and you do NOT even have that! |
| 21:17.39 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: that's not Debian! |
| 21:17.39 | xeon-enouf | ask in ##linux |
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| 21:17.51 | xeon-enouf | or install a debian kernel - if it IS INDEED etch |
| 21:18.01 | iT|Free | okay, thx! |
| 21:18.16 | xeon-enouf | !+tell iT|Free -about version |
| 21:18.16 | dpkg | told iT|Free about version. |
| 21:18.20 | jeeves_Moss | after an upgrade, I can't get my postfix server up, and I'm getting "fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument" as the error. anyone with ideas? |
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| 21:19.11 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: something amuck with the contents of the conffile |
| 21:19.13 | iT|Free | cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0 |
| 21:19.29 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: that's etch - keep going |
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| 21:19.38 | iT|Free | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:19.50 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf: what is the file again? and location? |
| 21:19.55 | xeon-enouf | iT|Free: your BOOTED system "rescue" env is very important though |
| 21:20.02 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: no idea |
| 21:20.13 | blendmaster1024 | i want the emerald window manager, but i can't find it in the repos. does anybody know by chance where i can get the source? |
| 21:20.20 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf: what is the file again? and location? |
| 21:20.22 | blendmaster1024 | i'm asking on #compiz already |
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| 21:20.26 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: Invalid argument == some bad syntax somewhere |
| 21:20.48 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf: I'm just trying to narrow it down so I can get the server working. if I know where to look, I'm sure I can figure it out |
| 21:21.06 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: backstep - find out what's trying to open the DB - strace it |
| 21:21.21 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: check postfix logs |
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| 21:21.41 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf: what's the syntax for strace? The error I'm getting was pulled out of the mail.err log file |
| 21:21.45 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: show us command |
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| 21:21.59 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: show us what you ran |
| 21:22.15 | xeon-enouf | man strace - or show me - i'll try |
| 21:22.23 | mesa_booger | strace -eopen the_executable 2> THE_LOG_FILE |
| 21:22.33 | mesa_booger | will just log the opened files |
| 21:22.41 | jeeves_Moss | I ran "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix reload" (and @ the same time, I used tail to watch the error log file |
| 21:22.42 | xeon-enouf | right or 2>/dev/null :-) |
| 21:23.06 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: ok a) use mesa_booger 's syntax |
| 21:23.31 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, lol, sure, I'll just "sudo cp /dev/random/ /storage/mail_store/" and see if that fixes my problems |
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| 21:23.38 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: b) add set -x on a newline just below #!/bin/bash in /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 21:24.39 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: 2 == stderr, so not 1 which is stdout if you want it to terminal/display |
| 21:25.01 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: amirite? i forget now :-P |
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| 21:25.23 | jeeves_Moss | "17:25:00 tessa postfix/local[5019]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument" that's the full error in the mail error log |
| 21:25.40 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: with stdout to term/display you could | pastebinit type thing |
| 21:25.51 | mesa_booger | the output of strace goes to stderr. so 2> LOG_FILE or -o LOG_FILE |
| 21:26.10 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: aha! .. i knew something was fishy |
| 21:26.17 | xeon-enouf | !troutsmite xeon-enouf |
| 21:26.18 | dpkg | slaps xeon-enouf around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:26.24 | jeeves_Moss | mesa_booger, ok, what would the exact syntax be? I'm having a "brain fart" here |
| 21:26.44 | mesa_booger | jeeves_Moss: what's your command ? |
| 21:26.45 | xeon-enouf | a) be root |
| 21:26.52 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ok |
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| 21:27.13 | xeon-enouf | strace -eopen /etc/init.d/postfix reload 2> THE_LOG_FILE |
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| 21:27.55 | xeon-enouf | you could do -etrace=open,close,connect, ... |
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| 21:28.07 | raumin | hi |
| 21:28.16 | xeon-enouf | raumin: you make noodles? |
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| 21:28.23 | raumin | uh? |
| 21:28.23 | xeon-enouf | oh wait, that's rayman |
| 21:28.27 | xeon-enouf | er.. |
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| 21:28.32 | raumin | error :D |
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| 21:28.37 | xeon-enouf | raumin: just teasing ;-) |
| 21:28.42 | xeon-enouf | ENOODLEERR |
| 21:28.44 | raumin | #debian.fr is dead ? |
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| 21:29.19 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1591298 |
| 21:29.20 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:29.21 | xeon-enouf | is a funny druk .. atm |
| 21:29.21 | jeeves_Moss | mesa_booger, http://pastebin.ca/1591298 |
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| 21:30.11 | raumin | someone could tell me the name of french channel debian plz ? |
| 21:30.16 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: ls -l /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 21:30.21 | dkr | !fr |
| 21:30.21 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:30.26 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: then pastebin it's contents |
| 21:30.28 | raumin | arg |
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| 21:30.43 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, one sec. |
| 21:30.50 | cr3rzemjest | i'm currently trying to create iso image from dvd using k3b. after 4:47 i have 1500 megabytes copied. is it me or that is really, incredibly slow? |
| 21:30.53 | xeon-enouf | never heard of that file in Debian jeeves_Moss |
| 21:31.04 | syslq78_ | xeon-enouf: heh, from what I read I dont really need lvm, simple raid 1 of backup drives will do, thanks |
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| 21:31.07 | xeon-enouf | ls: cannot access /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: No such file or directory |
| 21:31.09 | mesa_booger | jeeves_Moss: ok. if you want all the forked children too, you need a -f in there too |
| 21:31.15 | xeon-enouf | syslq78_: righto |
| 21:31.27 | xeon-enouf | !find ls: cannot access /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: No such file or directory |
| 21:31.30 | xeon-enouf | er |
| 21:31.33 | xeon-enouf | fuck |
| 21:31.33 | jeeves_Moss | mesa_booger, "ls: cannot access /etc/lsb-base/logging.sh: No such file or directory" |
| 21:31.39 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, "ls: cannot access /etc/lsb-base/logging.sh: No such file or directory" |
| 21:31.49 | xeon-enouf | !find /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 21:31.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/lsb-base-logging.sh' returned no results. |
| 21:31.59 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: it's not debian |
| 21:32.07 | mesa_booger | jeeves_Moss: looks like you've found something there |
| 21:32.08 | xeon-enouf | go away now |
| 21:32.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ls: cannot access /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: No such file or directory' returned no results. |
| 21:32.27 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, lol, looks like it's got DNA from somewhere else then! my server is a whore! |
| 21:32.38 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: /msg dpkg version |
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| 21:33.20 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ??? |
| 21:33.22 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: and i'm a crazed mailman :-P |
| 21:33.29 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: ??? |
| 21:33.45 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, lol, you'd like her namesake. |
| 21:33.58 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, www.tessawhite.ca/gallery/ |
| 21:34.07 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: you do that in your IRC client |
| 21:34.22 | xeon-enouf | !+tell jeeves_Moss -about version |
| 21:34.22 | dpkg | told jeeves_Moss about version. |
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| 21:34.42 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: i have much better ;-) |
| 21:34.46 | xeon-enouf | thanks though |
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| 21:35.19 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, squeeze/sid |
| 21:35.25 | xeon-enouf | liar |
| 21:35.37 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, that's the output man |
| 21:35.37 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 21:35.58 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: pastebin output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 21:36.41 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, one sec |
| 21:36.50 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: dpkg -l exim4* | grep ^.i |
| 21:37.39 | xeon-enouf | you cannot have more than 1 MTA installed at a time - UNLESS .. you used equivs, or edited some debian/<something> file |
| 21:37.57 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, the last command came back with nothing |
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| 21:38.08 | xeon-enouf | likely /changelog or .. not /rules .. |
| 21:38.26 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: ok, so no exim |
| 21:38.28 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, http://www.moseley.ca/apt.txt |
| 21:38.31 | cr3rzemjest | hi. i'm currently trying to copy a movie from dvd to hdd (*iso). i can watch the movie but k3b has problems with reading (at about 73% it says"problem with reading. retrying from sector xxx")and it seems it will be trying to read for eternity. wat do? |
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| 21:39.24 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: you need a #postfix channel or something - our policy looks fine, but postfix must've installed that file cause Debian did not |
| 21:39.45 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ok, thanks. I'm in that channel right now, so I'll have a look. thanks again for your help. |
| 21:39.46 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: whoa! |
| 21:39.48 | xeon-enouf | wait |
| 21:40.03 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ??? |
| 21:40.05 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: you have SID mixed with Lenny? shame on you |
| 21:40.16 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, lol |
| 21:40.25 | mentor | mesa_booger: There's an !ops <reason> trigger on the bot |
| 21:40.50 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: IF you have _any_ sid, you ONLY have "deb-src ... sid ..." to make backports |
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| 21:41.10 | mesa_booger | mentor: ok. thanks |
| 21:41.11 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, ok, how do I fix it? build the proper apt list manually and update? |
| 21:41.14 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: /msg dpkg sid ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:41.32 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, so, if I run that, it'll clean it up? |
| 21:41.33 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: still - that file is *nowhere* in debian |
| 21:41.53 | xeon-enouf | jeeves_Moss: you've already screwed the pooch |
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| 21:42.05 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, lol, let's not drag my ex-wife into this |
| 21:42.12 | xeon-enouf | make backups. reinstall -- depending |
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| 21:42.43 | jeeves_Moss | xeon-enouf, starts to think about raising a sub from the sea floor with a fishing line and some SSH |
| 21:42.54 | lolwatt | i just did adduser usr cdrom but i still cant access device, is there a way to get it to work without having to log out here... |
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| 21:43.15 | lolwatt | i had having to log out of a session after adding myself to groups |
| 21:43.16 | claytonwalker | just found the quickest way to force a screen resolution to be detected |
| 21:43.30 | lolwatt | hate* |
| 21:43.43 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: why? |
| 21:43.50 | xeon-enouf | there's newgrp |
| 21:43.51 | lolwatt | because i have too much stuff open |
| 21:43.56 | xeon-enouf | but don't use it |
| 21:44.08 | claytonwalker | the first step in this walkthrough saves so many hours of labor: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-321588.html |
| 21:44.11 | lolwatt | i jsut want the change to be recognized without having to exit session |
| 21:44.13 | xeon-enouf | well, you can |
| 21:44.20 | xeon-enouf | but temorarily |
| 21:44.27 | xeon-enouf | but temporarily even |
| 21:44.51 | xeon-enouf | !listvals newgrp |
| 21:44.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'newgrp' by value (1): audio2. |
| 21:45.01 | xeon-enouf | ugh .. oh well |
| 21:45.06 | xeon-enouf | !audio2 |
| 21:45.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, audio2 is as root: "chmod 0660 /dev/dsp; chown root.audio /dev/dsp; adduser you audio" ... as user: login again or "exec newgrp; id" ... crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/dsp |
| 21:45.36 | xeon-enouf | 1969? |
| 21:46.04 | mesa_booger | must be a unix epoch deal |
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| 21:46.10 | xeon-enouf | :-) reminds me of ol' frankie .. "...that was a good year" |
| 21:46.25 | mesa_booger | unix time starts on jan 1 1970 |
| 21:46.44 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: when i debootstrapped this install to this xeon over ssh -everything was dated 2001 :-P |
| 21:46.55 | adb | xeon-enouf, 1969 is newer than my "date" on ppc : 1903 .. |
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| 21:47.05 | lolwatt | i just mounted it as root... |
| 21:47.06 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: i've seen it, on vfat even :-) |
| 21:47.12 | cr3rzemjest | why does my laptop burner read at ~265 per _minute_ ? isn't that a bit slow? |
| 21:47.12 | lolwatt | im trying to play a movie here, but i cant get vlc to work argh |
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| 21:47.14 | mesa_booger | so a date of dec 31 1969 would have a unix time of between -1 and -86399 |
| 21:47.14 | xeon-enouf | adb: hahaha |
| 21:47.22 | cr3rzemjest | mb i mean |
| 21:47.28 | xeon-enouf | adb: alter that to 1503! |
| 21:47.32 | lolwatt | i can read contents as user, but still having trouble getting vlc to play it |
| 21:47.51 | lolwatt | ill try #vlc |
| 21:47.51 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: big bang!? |
| 21:47.51 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
| 21:48.13 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: which app? |
| 21:48.20 | cr3rzemjest | xeon-enouf: k3b |
| 21:48.56 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: wodim -prcap dev=/dev/name ; use cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info to get correct optical drive |
| 21:49.11 | claytonwalker | linux f***ing owns. there is no better way to put it. |
| 21:49.22 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: ask a KDE related channel |
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| 21:49.26 | mesa_booger | lolwatt: are you running the unstable or testing vlc ? if you are, make sure you're not running ffmpeg/libav* from marillat (debian-multimedia) cos it is broken |
| 21:49.36 | lolwatt | no just lenny |
| 21:49.57 | xeon-enouf | mesa_booger: really? thanks - i run <you-know-what> |
| 21:50.01 | lolwatt | i can read disk contents in /mnt now, since i dont wnat to logout for adduser cdrom to take effect |
| 21:50.05 | lolwatt | but i sitll cant get vlc to play it |
| 21:50.13 | mesa_booger | lolwatt: and you don't have any 3rd party repos in there ? |
| 21:50.14 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: use mplayer |
| 21:50.33 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: or be root :-P\ |
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| 21:51.14 | lolwatt | i dont think being root is the prob, as i said i can read the VIDEO_TS dir now |
| 21:51.39 | mesa_booger | lolwatt: omg |
| 21:52.01 | mesa_booger | lolwatt: do file -> open disk. instead of opening the .vob files or whatever |
| 21:52.46 | mesa_booger | cos DVDs are not conventional files |
| 21:53.08 | CharminTheMoose | hey xeon-enouf |
| 21:53.12 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: mplayer dvd:// |
| 21:53.30 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: yo yo MAHHHH m000SHi3 |
| 21:53.31 | lolwatt | lol get this |
| 21:53.34 | lolwatt | Playing /mnt/hdd. |
| 21:53.34 | lolwatt | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 21:53.34 | lolwatt | Seek failed |
| 21:53.41 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: that's ok |
| 21:53.43 | lolwatt | hah! this is the error i got! |
| 21:53.48 | CharminTheMoose | ^_^ |
| 21:53.56 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: that's normal |
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| 21:54.09 | CharminTheMoose | xeon-enouf, Seen bronze/savetheworld around? |
| 21:54.09 | lolwatt | its just funny seeing that on deb |
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| 21:54.16 | xeon-enouf | avisynth is a POFS WINE related codec |
| 21:54.37 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: not recently too much - in #bash sometime ago |
| 21:55.03 | xeon-enouf | lolwatt: mplayer runs on multiple platforms |
| 21:55.22 | CharminTheMoose | xeon-enouf, oh right... I was just wondering where he got to... also, have you got, like a xeon processor implanted in your head now? :-) Hence the name? |
| 21:55.35 | xeon-enouf | but you shouldn't need any w32codecs toplaya DVD |
| 21:55.45 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: indeed |
| 21:56.05 | CharminTheMoose | XD |
| 21:56.12 | xeon-enouf | old p4 era crap Dell workstation with Dual 1.7 CPUs |
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| 21:56.28 | mesa_booger | libdvdcss is needed tho |
| 21:56.46 | xeon-enouf | _exteremly_ proprietary PSU setup |
| 21:56.47 | stuckey | Just play the .VOB files. |
| 21:56.50 | xeon-enouf | yes P S U |
| 21:56.58 | CharminTheMoose | PS of the U? :P |
| 21:57.05 | xeon-enouf | install ffmpeg ;-) |
| 21:57.17 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: Power Supply Unit |
| 21:57.27 | ElDiabolo | lolwatt: There is however a w32codecs package somewhere out there :) |
| 21:57.31 | CharminTheMoose | ah yeah |
| 21:57.47 | cr3rzemjest | how can i see 'remaining time' while copying using dd except using: while((1==1)); do clear; ls -lh cd_img1.iso; sleep2; done to compare file size with "final" file size? |
| 21:58.38 | zleap | ElDiabolo, apt-cache search w32codecs |
| 21:58.38 | zleap | non-free-codecs - Non-free codecs |
| 21:58.38 | zleap | w32codecs - Win32 codec binaries |
| 21:58.41 | zleap | does that help |
| 21:58.44 | xeon-enouf | CharminTheMoose: http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.aspx?p=31105 scroll to "Dell Proprietary (Nonstandard) ATX Design If you currently own a desktop system made between 1996 and 2000 from" |
| 21:58.45 | xeon-enouf | ElDiabolo: doesn't fix the avisynth error shit though |
| 21:58.47 | zleap | this was on ubuntu, |
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| 22:00.34 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: man dd |
| 22:00.40 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
| 22:00.51 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: see/find -USR |
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| 22:01.33 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: what was your last issue that you never asked/replied about? i forgot |
| 22:01.43 | xeon-enouf | epsilon: nate how? |
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| 22:01.56 | xeon-enouf | erm . ElDiabolo, not epsilon |
| 22:02.34 | adb | ElDiabolo is gone |
| 22:02.34 | xeon-enouf | zleap: no, dmm has that anyway |
| 22:02.49 | xeon-enouf | adb: i noticed :-) |
| 22:02.54 | cr3rzemjest | xeon-enouf: i can't find such options in my man, and my last issue was about transfer rates while reading from dvd |
| 22:03.16 | zleap | ok |
| 22:03.37 | xeon-enouf | your man? i'll be your man! .. for a fee ofcourse ;-) |
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| 22:03.57 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: it's there |
| 22:04.09 | xeon-enouf | unless some older debian versiob |
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| 22:04.59 | xeon-enouf | Sending a USR1 signal to a running 'dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then |
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| 22:07.02 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1591349 |
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| 22:08.39 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: you run the kill in another tty/VT/shell |
| 22:08.39 | xeon-enouf | then you switch back to dd term tosee results |
| 22:08.50 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
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| 22:08.55 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: possible DMA is not enabled (transfer rates) |
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| 22:09.14 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: hdparm -i /dev/name |
| 22:09.31 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: if it's PATA or SATA |
| 22:09.33 | kimboslice | hi guys |
| 22:09.42 | kimboslice | a |
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| 22:10.51 | cr3rzemjest | DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
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| 22:11.19 | kimboslice | oh what lag. k. scp question. i'm sshd into a session via another session. i can scp files aroudn between machines but i was curious if anyone know if its possible to scp files from a session two boxes away directly to your own? is ssh aware of the routing enough to allow for this sort of thing without having to drop files on to an intermediary box? |
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| 22:11.21 | xeon-enouf | wow .. tv sucks ass |
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| 22:11.58 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: no |
| 22:12.15 | cr3rzemjest | ? |
| 22:12.25 | xeon-enouf | cr3rzemjest: show me entire ouput to pastebin -- or READ |
| 22:12.29 | kimboslice | xeon-enouf: i havent had tv for 4 years or more. i'm on a roadtrip and watching telly at hotels and yeah ... it really is bad |
| 22:12.33 | xeon-enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 22:12.33 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, xeon-enouf |
| 22:12.43 | zleap | kimboslice, can't you just scp from / to the computer where you want to get files from |
| 22:13.12 | zleap | however the scp commadn allows you to specify where files are, and where you are putting them |
| 22:13.12 | kensanata | xeon-enouf: I found my Perl Net::SMTP::SSL problem, I hope. libnet-smtp-ssl-perl does not depend on libauthen-sasl-perl, but there's a hidden require Authen::SASL in the code... I guess I should report this somewhere? |
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| 22:13.32 | xeon-enouf | kimboslice: i only usually watch PBS/Science/Discovery/C-Span/Yankees things .. but ,, sometimes there'sa movie on :-P |
| 22:13.37 | kimboslice | zleap: i'm vpnd in, appearently the setup doesn't allow this as i'm sshing to another vpn segment fromthis one |
| 22:13.41 | kensanata | pkg-perl-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org ? |
| 22:13.51 | zleap | ok |
| 22:14.05 | xeon-enouf | kensanata: i guess ... see BTS ? |
| 22:14.08 | xeon-enouf | !bts |
| 22:14.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 22:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
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| 22:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | reinstalling the lenny libc6 now fails because |
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| 22:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/glibc.sh not found |
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| 22:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | in postinstall |
| 22:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which is supposed to be in that package |
| 22:17.55 | xeon-enouf | kimboslice: Bud Selig can suck the anal hair from his SO's tighty whitey's skid marks for all i care |
| 22:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, thanks for sharing |
| 22:18.32 | xeon-enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: are you a dev |
| 22:18.34 | xeon-enouf | ? |
| 22:18.37 | kimboslice | xeon-enouf: haha, saw that on youtube this morning |
| 22:18.42 | kimboslice | pretty sad indeed |
| 22:18.45 | xeon-enouf | then don't use invoke-rc.d |
| 22:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | these images won't go away all day now |
| 22:18.54 | xeon-enouf | kimboslice: f'n A |
| 22:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't.. postinstall is |
| 22:19.13 | xeon-enouf | so - say so |
| 22:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | did |
| 22:19.24 | kimboslice | xeon-enouf: on the other hand, kimbo ain't that impressive either |
| 22:19.25 | kimboslice | heh |
| 22:19.42 | xeon-enouf | "reinstalling libc6" bwahAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if I accidently mixed some package from another repro... wasn't there an aptitude command that could show that? |
| 22:19.54 | kimboslice | there is a vid online of kimbo getting his ass served to him by a tall skinny white dude that was playing him like a chump |
| 22:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... grmp. /sbin/ldconfig was gone |
| 22:20.05 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:20.10 | xeon-enouf | kimboslice: i like that name hon - reminds me of cats |
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| 22:20.18 | themill | kimboslice, xeon-enouf: please take it elsewhere. |
| 22:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | points towards themill |
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| 22:20.43 | xeon-enouf | points towards the missing ops when needed |
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| 22:22.23 | dutchfish | hi, are there any tools to measure high precision time in Debian as in ... grep "now at" /proc/timer_list with as few as possible overhead? |
| 22:22.27 | xeon-enouf | i love the name of this PBS program; "Richard Bangs" haha - so "Dick Bangs .." |
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| 22:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, something is weird... libc6 version IS 2.7-18 as should be for lenny, though |
| 22:23.18 | xeon-enouf | dutchfish: er, i only know of ; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/459691/best-timing-method-in-c |
| 22:23.39 | xeon-enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 22:23.40 | judd | xeon-enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-27 |
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| 22:23.54 | dutchfish | xeon-enouf, thanks, you are the man ! |
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| 22:24.12 | toad_ | easiest way to get clive working on lenny? |
| 22:24.24 | xeon-enouf | !clive |
| 22:24.32 | xeon-enouf | oh well |
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| 22:25.02 | toad_ | both clive and cclive have nasty dependancies ... i guess the easiest way is to use backports, pull in the new perl libraries it needs? |
| 22:25.20 | toad_ | is there any other answer? |
| 22:25.40 | xeon-enouf | !youtube script |
| 22:26.01 | xeon-enouf | dpkg: ping |
| 22:26.02 | dpkg | Yes, xeon-enouf, you are online. |
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| 22:26.30 | themolest | i have a partition marked Linux, and I am pretty sure it was formatted, and should have data on it, but it says must specify filesystem when I mount it. |
| 22:26.41 | sepult | is there any way of getting eventfd.h without disturbing a stable |
| 22:26.41 | sepult | distro ? |
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| 22:27.06 | toad_ | xeon-enouf: ooh, thanks! |
| 22:27.19 | themolest | is there a way to VERIFY that it is blank (as some have suggested) and not just a typeo when i partitioned it (non ext3) or corrupted partition |
| 22:27.36 | xeon-enouf | ok - so some ASSHOLE fucken POFS dump deleted my factoid? |
| 22:27.44 | toad_ | hmmm, i'm not sure that script works, i will try though... |
| 22:28.08 | themill | xeon-enouf: no idea what you're asking. But that's also not the way to ask... |
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| 22:28.20 | xeon-enouf | themill: shut the fuck up\ |
| 22:28.26 | xeon-enouf | asshole |
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| 22:28.46 | themill | xeon-enouf: seriously.... if you can't play nicely with the others, /part for a while. |
| 22:28.47 | toad_ | nope ... i guess it's a matter of finding the video_id in the html manually, they specify it in a parameter now ... |
| 22:29.08 | toad_ | and then prepending http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id= to it |
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| 22:29.56 | themill | toad_: I think xeon-enouf was wanting to point you towards this: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script |
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| 22:30.09 | toad_ | themill: yeah, it doesn't work |
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| 22:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the factoid for it disappeared and he got upset |
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| 22:31.23 | themill | toad_: ahh... he and a couple of others keep disagreeing about that script. Perhaps he'll fix it. |
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| 22:32.18 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: no, he just forgot what it was. |
| 22:32.44 | toad_ | themill: hmmmm |
| 22:32.49 | toad_ | i think they've changed it significantly |
| 22:33.03 | toad_ | i grep for fullscreenUrl and i see this: var fullscreenUrl = '/watch_popup?v=6dFbuaz130c'; |
| 22:33.30 | toad_ | i fetch that and i get var video_url = ... |
| 22:33.45 | toad_ | i fetch that and i get 1077 bytes of flash which presumably itself fetches the video |
| 22:33.57 | toad_ | hmmm, lets see if mplayer can handle it |
| 22:34.15 | toad_ | nope |
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| 22:40.27 | themolest | what is the most foolproof way to verify there is no data on a drive which has been partitioned, but POSSIBLY not formatted (won't mount) |
| 22:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | erase what might still be on it |
| 22:42.47 | arand | I'm trying to look at earlier versions in unstable: "apt-get source libglib2.0-0" Will get me 22.1-1, but "apt-get source libglib2.0-0=22.0-1" gives me "No source package..." How do I get my hands on it? |
| 22:42.49 | Madsy2 | themolest: Define "no data". |
| 22:42.50 | themolest | i meant a non-invasive way |
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| 22:43.09 | themolest | i have had a drive in one of my hotswap bays for a year, i thought i had info on it, but it won't mount |
| 22:43.23 | themolest | i want to MAKE SURE nothing is on it, before i format it (since it won't mount |
| 22:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | themolest, your earlier question was better... why don't you specify the filesystem on mount? |
| 22:43.33 | AimHere | You could dd it piecemeal into a file on your working hd, then sift through it with something like od |
| 22:43.41 | whatnow | themolest: Uhm... hex editor? |
| 22:43.53 | themolest | i tried ext2,3,ntfs,vfat,jfs,xfs... |
| 22:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | themolest, you can 'less -f /dev/yourdrive' or some hexeditor to peek into it |
| 22:44.10 | AimHere | If you're just looking, just dump it with od. Probably works even on the bare device |
| 22:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | themolest, or you can try recovering data from it using e.g. magicrescue |
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| 22:45.28 | themolest | AimHere would ^@^@^@ be empty? |
| 22:45.41 | themolest | if using less |
| 22:46.05 | AimHere | Don't use less |
| 22:46.20 | AimHere | You end up with control characters confusing you |
| 22:46.23 | whatnow | Or you can just "cat /dev/sdx | mp3lame | aplay" :D if there's data on it, there's a good chance there's mp3 on it :D |
| 22:46.44 | themolest | ah, misread the line, and thought you said less, it was CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:47.23 | AimHere | The clue is in the name. You trust anyone who cuts his own throat? |
| 22:47.31 | themolest | :) |
| 22:48.04 | AimHere | If you treat it as a binary file with cat, less or more then you confusing your tty and having to type 'reset' with a bunch of garbage characters |
| 22:48.10 | glasyalabolis | how can I check which version of a package is in the stable distro |
| 22:48.11 | AimHere | *risk confusing your tty |
| 22:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | AimHere, eh! |
| 22:48.28 | whatnow | Still, I vote for having lame play the whole harddisk as mp3. It's bullet-proof ;) |
| 22:48.39 | Madsy2 | haha |
| 22:48.41 | themill | glasyalabolis: packages.debian.org or /msg judd versions packagename |
| 22:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I kind of like whatnows idea... |
| 22:49.13 | glasyalabolis | thanks themill |
| 22:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | only... the mp3lame step is stupid... you're encoding, then you don't know whats really up anymore |
| 22:50.19 | AimHere | Why mp3lame it anyways. Just play it straight with aplay |
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| 22:50.19 | whatnow | Doesn't aplay only take raw (wav)? What's the chance for that being on the hd? |
| 22:50.32 | whatnow | lame also decodes by the way, great for piping useless stuff around. |
| 22:50.52 | AimHere | Lame only takes wav anyways, so what's your point? |
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| 22:51.55 | whatnow | I think lame can be used to pipe mp3 to wav... --mp3input -something or something . |
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| 22:52.21 | themolest | AimHere do I assume correctly that if I do od /dev/sdb1 |less ... if I see non 000000 patterns on the right, that there is SOMETHING on it? |
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| 22:53.24 | AimHere | themolest, yes. Without arguments, od is giving you an octal dump of the contents (hence the name) |
| 22:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't have mp3 on your raw disk image |
| 22:53.42 | AimHere | themolest, if you add args, you can get it in hex or ascii or various other forms of dump |
| 22:54.20 | themolest | also, if the first line is all 00s, second is a *, and the third starts with 1701000... that there is nothing but zeros for the first 1701000... umm... |
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| 22:55.46 | waitwat | hmm |
| 22:56.09 | waitwat | dvd playing now, but either its locking /dev/snd or i have a limit on how many processes can open it |
| 22:56.18 | waitwat | i cant get sound on youtube... |
| 22:56.38 | waitwat | lsof reports 2 instances of vlc using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p, i dont know if its locking it or whats going on here |
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| 22:59.26 | themolest | hrmm, AimHere you gave me an idea, i passed my partition to strings, and have been browsing through |
| 22:59.40 | themolest | it seems like it's a windows dir |
| 22:59.44 | themolest | drive |
| 22:59.46 | jaggz- | hey, firefox 3.5's firefox-bin is only 58k. Finally the world is becoming sane again! |
| 22:59.53 | themolest | but, it wont mount |
| 23:00.00 | AimHere | That works, themolest |
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| 23:01.24 | Madsy2 | themolest: http://gist.github.com/200948 :-P |
| 23:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz-, that, or you're hallucinating |
| 23:02.24 | jaggz- | checkinstall cp -vrp firefox /usr/lib/firefox3.5 then setting name: iceweasel version:3.5.3 and provides:iceweasel |
| 23:02.27 | jaggz- | that's all good right? |
| 23:02.32 | themolest | so, now that i know that SOMETHING is one it... and it seems to be windows based... (had stuff about adobe license etc) the problem remains to mount it |
| 23:02.42 | themolest | it refuses to mount with ntfs, or vfat |
| 23:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's probably corrupted |
| 23:03.17 | themolest | hrmm i possibly know whats wrong |
| 23:03.27 | jaggz- | what are you mounting? |
| 23:03.50 | themolest | tell me if theres any way to verify the theory.... it may have been one half of a previous windows raid array |
| 23:04.07 | themolest | if so, a backup has already been done, and it's as good as empty, and i can format it |
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| 23:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | take a time machine, fly back in time to the point when you removed the drive and ask your younger self what the fuck he's doing there - et voila: verified |
| 23:05.24 | martianixor | guys, need opinions/suggestions urgently |
| 23:05.32 | martianixor | Toshiba A300 |
| 23:06.05 | martianixor | Toshiba Satellite A300-29N and A300-247 actually |
| 23:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a laptop! |
| 23:06.19 | martianixor | and I couldn't even find the specs online so far |
| 23:06.22 | waitwat | if i start a youtube vid first then vlc its the other way around, vlc is muted |
| 23:06.26 | waitwat | it seems to be a limit on /dev/snd |
| 23:06.28 | waitwat | how can i fix this |
| 23:06.39 | martianixor | CutMeOwnThroat: of course it is, what do you think of it? |
| 23:06.49 | waitwat | ive checked with lsof, it doesnt seem to like 2 diff processes using snd |
| 23:06.55 | waitwat | standard alsa config |
| 23:07.09 | martianixor | Is it worth the money? |
| 23:07.23 | martianixor | any better options for the same price? |
| 23:07.33 | adb | martianixor, >#hardware |
| 23:07.37 | jaggz- | I'm just using a 2 drive raid mirror in my computer |
| 23:07.40 | jaggz- | ugh.. that computer won't turn on |
| 23:07.52 | dustybin | my home server says: Sun Oct 4 00:07:19 BST 2009 my remote server says: Sat Oct 3 23:08:01 UTC 2009 |
| 23:08.00 | dustybin | how can i make my remote server BST ? |
| 23:08.10 | martianixor | adb: yeah I know, I'm collecting opinions everywhere, especially here cause I'd like to try Debian testing with it |
| 23:08.15 | streuner | !set time |
| 23:08.15 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 23:08.19 | jaggz- | if a computer got hot.. then it wouldn't turn on.. then after 30 minutes of having the side off it turned on again.. but the next morning it wouldn't turn on again -- what is the problem likely to be? |
| 23:08.37 | jaggz- | it was running at 145 degF .. and it was showing 3.2V on the -12V sensor |
| 23:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin-with-the-offensive-nick, tzconfig |
| 23:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, etch and earlier? |
| 23:08.57 | dustybin | my remote box is a xen vm |
| 23:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I still got it! |
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| 23:09.23 | waitwat | i cant seem to get two processes to use /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p at the same time argh |
| 23:09.29 | dustybin | do i have the auth to change the time on a xen vps? |
| 23:09.40 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to use a background image in the framebuffer? |
| 23:09.40 | jaggz- | dusty, also look into ntpdate for automatically setting your system's time |
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| 23:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz-, overclocked... |
| 23:09.57 | jaggz- | it's handy, but remember you're getting your time set from someone |
| 23:10.02 | themill | dustybin: you don't need to change the time, just the timezone that is uesd for display. |
| 23:10.22 | jaggz- | CutMeOwnThroat: hm? |
| 23:10.41 | jaggz- | my computer might be overclocked and that's why the V was high? I don't recall setting any overclocking on it |
| 23:10.49 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 23:10.55 | jaggz- | if I can get it to turn on at all I'll try to check the bios |
| 23:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 23:11.25 | jaggz- | sucks to press the power button and nothing happen.. I'm not sure if it's the mb or the psu |
| 23:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz-, voltage is weird... and explains the heat, i guess |
| 23:11.53 | dustybin | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata WORKED!!!!!!! |
| 23:11.54 | jaggz- | it *should* be running cooler.. even with this special low-noise case, according to the manufacturer of it (hm) |
| 23:11.57 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 23:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | blow any dust off the mainboard/processor :-P |
| 23:12.43 | jaggz- | yeah, it's really clean too.. it has foam filters to protect it.. there's a teeny bit on the cpu heatsink but nothing significant.. it's always ran hot |
| 23:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and check if the fan is properly mounted... |
| 23:13.07 | jaggz- | yeah.. I remounted it using the silver stuff too.. no difference |
| 23:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | the fan shouldn't produce a higer voltage, but it's easy to check |
| 23:13.15 | jaggz- | did that months ago though.. |
| 23:13.25 | jaggz- | it was getting hot, by the way, from room temperature being too hot.. |
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| 23:13.44 | jaggz- | like 80 degrees in the room or so.. but supposedly that shouldn't cook it still |
| 23:13.53 | jaggz- | it normally runs at 135 |
| 23:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're running your pc in a sauna! |
| 23:14.08 | dutchfish | dustybin, you might also want to read this: http://ruleoftech.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/keeping-up-with-the-time-in-xen/ |
| 23:14.12 | themolest | jaggz- room temperature doesn't mean anything... just means that the fans are working |
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| 23:14.49 | themolest | when things 'run hot' usually its because the fan STOPS working, in which case the room might actually get cooler |
| 23:15.11 | waitwat | why doesnt /dev/snd like to share! |
| 23:15.15 | themolest | but i cut in late, don't know if i missed the point of the question |
| 23:15.17 | themolest | :) |
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| 23:15.36 | Tired | oh, and btw \o/ - I copied glibc.sh from another machine and then could reinstall libc6 |
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| 23:16.05 | Tired | really weird how that could fail... the file was supposed to be part of the libc6 package I was reinstalling |
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| 23:17.40 | jaggz- | what are your temperatures? |
| 23:18.09 | icedtea | I use to have an app on one of my boxes that tracked every file on my system, something like a md5 sum of each file, for exploits |
| 23:18.09 | martianixor | thanks guys, good night |
| 23:18.09 | hexoroid | how do i delete all files in current directory |
| 23:18.14 | hexoroid | including dirs |
| 23:18.21 | icedtea | anyone know of what the app is called? |
| 23:18.39 | Tired | 'rm -rf .[^.]* *' |
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| 23:19.02 | Tired | icedtea, rkhunter? |
| 23:19.06 | Tired | tripwire? |
| 23:19.12 | icedtea | tripwire! |
| 23:19.13 | icedtea | thanks |
| 23:19.32 | Tired | did I win something? |
| 23:19.42 | jaggz- | ossec |
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| 23:20.37 | jaggz- | of course ossec is emailing so many reports to me it's crazy.. and I haven't looked into reducing that yet |
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| 23:31.21 | shadowless_egg | finally some people in here |
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| 23:31.48 | shadowless_egg | how would i install debian on my computer via usb |
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| 23:32.21 | shadowless_egg | ... |
| 23:32.48 | shadowless_egg | um |
| 23:33.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.26 | shadowless_egg | ok |
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| 23:33.46 | shadowless_egg | and then i boot from it and it'll install directly on my hard drive? |
| 23:33.51 | shadowless_egg | i dont have internet |
| 23:33.53 | shadowless_egg | or a cd drive |
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| 23:34.12 | shadowless_egg | so will that work? |
| 23:34.23 | shadowless_egg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.41 | shadowless_egg | thar we go |
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| 23:34.53 | robbmunson | yeah you missed the space the first time shadowless_egg ;) |
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| 23:35.28 | shadowless_egg | so i have the iso of debian 5.0.3 cd1 |
| 23:35.34 | Schuenemann | hi, how do I find out which package contains libXxf86dga.so.1 and libopenal.so.0 32 bit? |
| 23:35.34 | shadowless_egg | do i have to download something else? |
| 23:36.03 | Schuenemann | I have lenny 64bit but I need those 32 bit |
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| 23:38.21 | shadowless_egg | To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported |
| 23:38.22 | shadowless_egg | ahhhh |
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| 23:38.31 | shadowless_egg | i dont have a linux system |
| 23:40.20 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: thee are instructions about how to put the installer on a USB stick in Windows |
| 23:40.31 | shadowless_egg | any specific step by step inscturctions? |
| 23:40.40 | shadowless_egg | im sorta a linux noob |
| 23:40.45 | shadowless_egg | i know mac and windows |
| 23:40.52 | Schuenemann | sigh |
| 23:40.54 | jaggz- | Schuenemann: goto packages.debian.org or whatever and goto the bottom where you can search IN packages.. thenput the filename in |
| 23:40.56 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: look i debian.org under "installing" |
| 23:41.04 | shadowless_egg | i haev the page up |
| 23:41.15 | jaggz- | use the "search inside ... |
| 23:41.17 | shadowless_egg | inda complicated instructions |
| 23:41.19 | Schuenemann | jaggz-, and I download 32 bit version and install with force-architecture? |
| 23:41.44 | jaggz- | not sure about that part.. :) |
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| 23:42.01 | Schuenemann | hmmm :-/ |
| 23:42.21 | adb | !debian.exe |
| 23:42.21 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 23:42.31 | jaggz- | I want to buy a wax melting pot or a hot plate.. but with these things it might be best to find it locally no? shipping is too expensive on them.. heck, if I could find one at a local thrift shop... |
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| 23:42.39 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: what architecture? |
| 23:43.05 | Schuenemann | jaggz-, I searched for libopenal and none of the listed has .so.0, only .so.1 |
| 23:43.11 | shadowless_egg | powerpc |
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| 23:43.31 | shadowless_egg | i dont have an internet connection on the mac im trying to install it on |
| 23:44.24 | adb | use actual internet connection than |
| 23:44.52 | shadowless_egg | i cant the os is broken |
| 23:45.22 | adb | i means on installing |
| 23:45.32 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ |
| 23:45.42 | shadowless_egg | i have that downloaded |
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| 23:45.51 | shadowless_egg | the cd1.iso |
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| 23:45.59 | adb | ppc ? |
| 23:46.02 | shadowless_egg | ppc |
| 23:46.20 | shadowless_egg | and i have winrar to extract it |
| 23:46.20 | adb | boot on it than |
| 23:46.33 | shadowless_egg | the cd drive is broken |
| 23:46.38 | shadowless_egg | uggh |
| 23:47.04 | adb | try onother cd drive |
| 23:47.04 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: there is a limit of broken-ness that linux can deal with ;) |
| 23:47.05 | shadowless_egg | i just want to plug the usb drive in, boto from and boop up pops the debian installer |
| 23:47.05 | shadowless_egg | boot* |
| 23:47.23 | jaggz- | schuenemann, hey, maybe you could source it.. apt-get source libopenal=versionhere |
| 23:47.31 | jaggz- | compile that puppy up? |
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| 23:47.56 | Schuenemann | jaggz-, but that would download my system architecture, right? |
| 23:48.07 | AimHere | I have a PC with no network cards, a broken CD drive, a bios too old to install from USB, and I'm out of blank floppy disks. Can someone help me install debian on it plz? |
| 23:48.09 | jpinx-eeepc | shadowless_egg: you have to get the image onto a cd somehow to be able to proceed |
| 23:48.15 | shadowless_egg | well i can hold option and get to the place where i can choose to boot from |
| 23:48.19 | shadowless_egg | i have the img on a cd |
| 23:48.35 | jpinx-eeepc | AimHere: :p |
| 23:48.37 | shadowless_egg | same here aim |
| 23:48.45 | shadowless_egg | except i THINK it can boot from usb |
| 23:48.49 | Schuenemann | jaggz-, well, I got the 1st from packages.debian.org and now it's asking only for the 2nd. The problem is that I didn't find the exact file from there (.so.0) |
| 23:49.12 | shadowless_egg | i know it can boot form firewire |
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| 23:49.59 | shadowless_egg | :/ |
| 23:50.03 | aucabarcas | w |
| 23:50.07 | Schuenemann | bah, that f***** apt |
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| 23:50.22 | adb | shadowless_egg, i doubt that > " except i THINK it can boot from usb" |
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| 23:50.32 | shadowless_egg | according to a site it can |
| 23:50.40 | shadowless_egg | and even so i can find a way to convert it |
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| 23:51.15 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.23 | Tired | !usb install |
| 23:51.24 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:51.25 | dutchfish | AimHere, you could install the debian-installer on disk in another computer if you have |
| 23:51.29 | shadowless_egg | convert usb to firewire |
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| 23:51.38 | shadowless_egg | yes i read that |
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| 23:51.48 | shadowless_egg | the instructions look complex though |
| 23:51.56 | shadowless_egg | heck i dont even have a usb drive...yet |
| 23:52.09 | adb | trolling is simpler .. |
| 23:52.15 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: agreed |
| 23:52.47 | shadowless_egg | >_> |
| 23:53.33 | shadowless_egg | like i said i just want to plug in my usb boot from it and up pops the installer |
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| 23:55.46 | AimHere | dutchfish, I was kidding |
| 23:56.07 | shadowless_egg | :/ |
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| 23:58.35 | jaggz- | how can you get an older version? hm |
| 23:58.51 | jaggz- | those things have to be archived somewhere right |
| 23:58.58 | jaggz- | anyone live in L.A.? |
| 23:59.20 | maddash | no |
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