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| 00:00.13 | shadowless_egg | hey it's a squared |
| 00:00.19 | shadowless_egg | a semi usable antivirus! |
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| 00:01.03 | Tired | AimHere, you don't need a bios that's able to boot from usb to boot from usb, though - see end of the usb install factoid up ther... so kidding or no, it's possible :) |
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| 00:03.29 | shadowless_egg | bah ill come back when i have the actual usb stick |
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| 00:10.03 | k]t | lmao ; apt-get install beep ; freq=$(echo $RANDOM) ; while true ; do sleep .2 ; beep -f $freq ; done ............. lmao |
| 00:10.52 | JPT | random beeps are funny |
| 00:11.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | k]t wget http://myevilsite/beep and do the same under www-data :D |
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| 00:11.19 | JPT | especially when the computer that's beeping is not your own^^ |
| 00:11.20 | k]t | no, but amusing, especially if you're into music and no a little about script/coding. |
| 00:11.31 | k]t | s/no/know |
| 00:11.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | k]t yeah that's true |
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| 00:11.59 | pondfrog | ugh im just giving up trying to get sound mixing to work |
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| 00:13.03 | themolest | ok, i found a data recovery app called testdisk, it finds the linux partition that the partition table lists, and i can browse around on it |
| 00:13.06 | k]t | pondfrog: that is what i am doing as we speak. |
| 00:13.10 | themolest | but it still won't mount |
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| 00:14.52 | pondfrog | heh |
| 00:15.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | k]t the funny thing that in win32 there is a Beep API function built-in. it's really a funny toy as it works anywhere, and i had some asm-coded progs which i always had on my USB flash drive on autorun :D :D |
| 00:15.50 | Schuenemann | ok, a different question: how can I extract a deb file without installing it? |
| 00:16.00 | JPT | Schuenemann: ask dpkg about it :) |
| 00:16.15 | Schuenemann | dpkg how can I extract a deb without installing? |
| 00:16.16 | dpkg | wish i knew, Schuenemann |
| 00:16.21 | Schuenemann | he doesn't know |
| 00:16.23 | JPT | ar -x package.deb ? |
| 00:16.33 | JPT | (just googled) |
| 00:16.43 | markybob | dpkg -x will also do it |
| 00:16.43 | dpkg | markybob: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:17.07 | _AnywhereIs_ | google loves ones who ask smart questions :D |
| 00:17.45 | Schuenemann | thanks guys... sorry, I was a bit tired of google by today |
| 00:17.45 | Schuenemann | should've looked there first |
| 00:17.59 | Tired | me of google? |
| 00:18.05 | JPT | yay |
| 00:18.08 | Schuenemann | heh yeah |
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| 00:18.30 | JPT | first english word that does not make sense to me when translated into german... i still don't understand what incense means... |
| 00:19.04 | Schuenemann | isn't it that stuff that has a strong smell? |
| 00:19.09 | JPT | well..i'm offtopic |
| 00:19.13 | Schuenemann | and religious meaning |
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| 00:19.20 | JPT | weihrauch? |
| 00:19.20 | maddash | may I ask a question relevant to apache here? |
| 00:19.50 | JPT | maddash: metaquestions do not help... ask :) |
| 00:20.00 | maddash | JPT: thanks |
| 00:20.01 | markybob | maddash, you'll probably have better luck in #httpd |
| 00:20.13 | Schuenemann | JPT, oh well I have no idea about the translation |
| 00:20.15 | maddash | markybob: doh, I just returned from #apache; it was fairly dead in there |
| 00:20.25 | markybob | maddash, #apache is shit. you want #httpd |
| 00:20.45 | maddash | markybob: weird, because there's a bot in #apache that claims that #httpd is deprecated or somesuch |
| 00:20.54 | pondfrog | well ive tried everything |
| 00:20.56 | maddash | ok, let me try #httpd first, so I won't bother you guys |
| 00:21.06 | pondfrog | if want sound in app B i have to close app A and B and restart B |
| 00:21.07 | pondfrog | what a joke |
| 00:21.20 | markybob | maddash, #debian on freenode is also deprecated...but there's 807 people in here :P |
| 00:21.35 | JPT | namespace policy... yay |
| 00:21.52 | maddash | heheh |
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| 00:22.16 | mfillpot | hello everyone |
| 00:23.04 | adb | themolest, tried ddrescue? |
| 00:23.26 | themolest | adb that only works if you have a second drive to copy to, right? |
| 00:23.39 | adb | maybe .. |
| 00:23.43 | k]t | pondfrog: are you speaking of audio? |
| 00:24.18 | themolest | well, i think i have another 500 somewhere i could use thats basically empty |
| 00:24.18 | themolest | i'll try that next |
| 00:24.18 | themolest | thank you |
| 00:24.22 | mfillpot | I just installed debian from the minimal bootable CD image and keeo getting the message "Could not download all repository indexes" can someone help me modify sources.list to point to the correct locations? |
| 00:25.13 | adb | mfillpot, just ignore it |
| 00:26.08 | mfillpot | adb, this installation is using the kernel 2.6.26-2, shouldn't a newer kernel be available when I use the update manager |
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| 00:26.20 | adb | no |
| 00:26.28 | k]t | im trouble shooting alsa because its sending beep to my soundcard and i want it to route through internal speak, any suggestions |
| 00:26.40 | maddash | there's a bot named fajita in #httpd who's essentially mocking me... |
| 00:26.50 | mfillpot | adb, really, I would have expected debian to use at least a 2.6.29 kernel |
| 00:26.53 | markybob | mfillpot, 2.6.26 is the latest in lenny |
| 00:27.15 | markybob | mfillpot, debian stable is always old (and rock solid) |
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| 00:28.23 | mesa_booger | k]t: most people want to get rid of all beeps after the bios post ... |
| 00:28.24 | mfillpot | thank you all, I'm usually a slackware user and this is my first really attempting to use debian, I will just need to get used to the differences |
| 00:28.47 | adb | mfillpot, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:29.06 | adb | that has 2.6.30 kernel |
| 00:29.08 | k]t | mesa_booger: i haven't even read it yet. let me see... |
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| 00:30.32 | mfillpot | ty adb |
| 00:30.48 | adb | yw |
| 00:31.41 | adb | mfillpot, use debian as server ? |
| 00:31.44 | k]t | hmm |
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| 00:32.52 | mfillpot | adb, Actually I am installing debian to simplify the compilation and installation of bucketfish since it is the distro they used to develop it |
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| 00:33.26 | Guerin | !wl |
| 00:33.26 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (14e4:4315). Packaged for Debian <testing>. To install, ask me about <wl one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
| 00:33.44 | mfillpot | but I plan to play with debian beyond that to learn the differences and see why some people prefer it |
| 00:34.00 | adb | Guerin, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 00:34.22 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.26 | Guerin | adb: yeah, yeah, i know |
| 00:34.29 | markybob | mfillpot, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:35.18 | Hideo | mfillpot: what is bucketfish, google doesn't give a relevant result |
| 00:35.30 | maddash | ok, I'm going to ask my super-trivial apache question here... |
| 00:35.57 | maddash | hi. why does the following pair of lines in my /.htaccess cause an infinite loop? "RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off |
| 00:35.57 | maddash | RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}%{HTTPS}" |
| 00:36.09 | mfillpot | I will learn what I like after trial and error |
| 00:37.49 | adb | Hideo, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bucketfish |
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| 00:38.09 | mfillpot | Hideo, sorry the name is barrelfish |
| 00:38.25 | Hideo | adb: ahaha |
| 00:38.36 | adb | ;) |
| 00:39.00 | Tired | mfillpot, lazyness, I guess.... |
| 00:39.42 | mfillpot | I am willing to give anything a try to find the merits even if M$ is working on it |
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| 00:41.45 | mfillpot | also, what version of kde is included in the lenny repos? |
| 00:42.14 | markybob | mfillpot, learn to use http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:42.14 | adb | ~3.5.9 |
| 00:42.15 | apt | 3.5 |
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| 00:43.07 | swellie | I'm trying to use unrar to extract linked rars, and its keeps saying "failed." is there a better tool to do this than unrar? |
| 00:43.37 | adb | unrar-free |
| 00:43.58 | mfillpot | swellie, it could be that the downloaded package is corrupted, have you run a checksum on it? |
| 00:44.05 | markybob | unrar-free usually wont work. unrar (which is non-free) usually will |
| 00:44.24 | swellie | markybob, I think we're using unrar-free |
| 00:44.25 | DeSian | but unrar-free can't extract some new RAR file, i recommend unrar from non-free source |
| 00:44.36 | markybob | swellie, that's your problem, then |
| 00:44.47 | swellie | okay |
| 00:45.39 | swellie | thanks! |
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| 00:47.21 | mirror_man | Hi. When I try to start Liferea I get this error message: ERROR:db.c:622:db_init: assertion failed: (sqlite3_get_autocommit (db)). Can anyone tell me how to fix it? Tried searching but can't find anything. It was working ok yesterday, done a couple of upgrades today so wondered if something has been broken. |
| 00:49.48 | k]t | , don.e |
| 00:50.03 | mirror_man | Should be colond where the smilies are. |
| 00:51.01 | mirror_man | I'm on debian squeeze. |
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| 00:54.44 | NoCode | I think the Debian gods like me. I know they do! |
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| 00:56.20 | themolest | for anyone helping me before, testdisk kicks ass |
| 00:56.39 | themolest | i figured out how to use it, and it restored everything for me, no need to copy it off to another drive or anything |
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| 01:01.35 | Saz|Laptop | so my server ran out of ram, and it's not recovering very well. Here's the output my serial console is giving: http://pastebin.com/m49a87ee7 |
| 01:02.09 | Saz|Laptop | I've hard rebooted the machine, but I'd like to know what I can do to fix it |
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| 01:02.40 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, increase your swap file? add more ram? |
| 01:03.12 | Saz|Laptop | 4GB of swap, can't add more than my 2GB of ram |
| 01:03.15 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, generally if you're in a tight-ram situation, you dont want to run apache. run lighttpd instead |
| 01:03.17 | catsup | linux sucks at running out of memory |
| 01:03.30 | icedtea | catsup: indeed |
| 01:03.42 | catsup | maybe freebsd is better |
| 01:03.45 | catsup | =D |
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| 01:03.56 | Saz|Laptop | markybob, the people on my server are htaccess-centric |
| 01:04.17 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, then you're pretty much out of luck. try #httpd |
| 01:04.27 | catsup | what you can do is ulimit memory usage |
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| 01:04.45 | Saz|Laptop | what does this have to do with apache |
| 01:04.48 | catsup | try and cause failures before the oom-killer runs |
| 01:04.56 | Saz|Laptop | the log I posted didnt even show httpd |
| 01:04.57 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, everything |
| 01:05.01 | themolest | why CANT you add more than 2GB? you should be able to get that much in a single stick? maybe a better system is a good thing to look for |
| 01:05.06 | jmarsden | Saz|Laptop: RAM is cheap these days... why can't you add more than 2GB, on a server...? Servers today tend to be 8GB minimum :) |
| 01:05.37 | Saz|Laptop | sure, I just need to fly out to the datacenter and break into the room my server is in |
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| 01:05.49 | icedtea | I need ideas for an opensource project |
| 01:05.49 | themolest | or call the datacenter and tell them to upgrade |
| 01:05.50 | themolest | :) |
| 01:06.03 | themolest | datacenters should be close... or managed |
| 01:06.06 | themolest | :) |
| 01:06.15 | jmarsden | Saz|Laptop: Ask whoever does have authority to work on the server to add the RAM. |
| 01:06.15 | Saz|Laptop | they can't, at least not without upgrading my whole package |
| 01:06.18 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, all collocation facilities offer services where they install/upgrade hardware |
| 01:06.20 | Saz|Laptop | 1&1 sucks with upgrades |
| 01:06.40 | catsup | icedtea: you have strange priorities :p |
| 01:06.58 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, those are your choices. sorry if you dont like them, but we cant change that |
| 01:07.36 | catsup | icedtea: how about you add libpurple support to bitlbee, or alternatively, add an irc frontend to pidgin |
| 01:07.37 | themolest | you can still increase TONS of swap |
| 01:07.41 | Saz|Laptop | so basically when the server runs out of ram I'm pretty much SOL |
| 01:07.50 | catsup | icedtea: ircd frontend, i mean [like how bitlbee works] |
| 01:07.54 | icedtea | catsup: I enjoy coding, but can't think of any project to contribute to |
| 01:07.54 | Saz|Laptop | i guess I'll just install skype and have it send me a text message if my server load goes over 20 |
| 01:07.54 | themolest | but you're already have twice the swap as your memory |
| 01:08.05 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, in most situations, yes |
| 01:08.14 | Saz|Laptop | 20 sounds like a good number |
| 01:08.19 | catsup | icedtea: personally there's like 109320 things i'd do if i was willing to put in the time |
| 01:08.22 | Saz|Laptop | right? |
| 01:08.32 | catsup | [i just gave you one] |
| 01:08.35 | themolest | Saz|Laptop depends |
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| 01:09.07 | catsup | Saz|Laptop: what are you going to do when you get a message? |
| 01:09.10 | icedtea | I kinda want to update virtualbox but in windows you need atl |
| 01:09.42 | NoCode | What's the manpage called that I can look at to look at boot options? |
| 01:09.57 | Saz|Laptop | catsup, launch putty and kill -9 some stuff |
| 01:10.07 | Saz|Laptop | my symbian phone has putty installed :) |
| 01:10.20 | catsup | Saz|Laptop: well ok, but that's what oom killer does |
| 01:10.32 | Saz|Laptop | apparently not very well |
| 01:10.36 | catsup | well, true |
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| 01:11.04 | Saz|Laptop | Im sure all I need to do is kill -9 mysql and killall -9 httpd |
| 01:11.09 | Saz|Laptop | wait a couple minutes |
| 01:11.16 | catsup | [actually you might want to try a newer kernel or check if oom-killer has changed since your kernel, which isn't unlikely] |
| 01:11.17 | Saz|Laptop | and start it back up |
| 01:11.24 | catsup | lol |
| 01:11.33 | catsup | how's that going to solve the problem though |
| 01:11.42 | themolest | Saz|Laptop i haven't used oomkiller, but maybe it's not killing things because it feels that there's nothing that can be sacraficed |
| 01:11.46 | catsup | your things will still be failing |
| 01:11.57 | Saz|Laptop | catsup, but it will take less time. |
| 01:12.07 | Saz|Laptop | especially if something happens when Im not at the computer |
| 01:12.15 | markybob | killing mysql with -9 is just retarded |
| 01:12.22 | markybob | you're asking for database corruption |
| 01:12.26 | themolest | Saz|Laptop i think the idea of increasing swap (while not ideal) is a much better idea than forcing people off your sites multiple times a day |
| 01:12.26 | catsup | na |
| 01:12.35 | catsup | mysql can't be corrupted by kill -9 |
| 01:12.46 | Saz|Laptop | themolest, multiple times per day? |
| 01:12.46 | markybob | ha |
| 01:12.47 | catsup | unless mysql devs fucked up |
| 01:12.50 | Saz|Laptop | try once every 2 months |
| 01:13.22 | catsup | increasing swap might involve an even greater loss of service |
| 01:13.32 | catsup | if a connection times out# |
| 01:13.32 | catsup | '^]'. |
| 01:13.32 | catsup | # |
| 01:13.32 | catsup | [4970477.066102] mysqld invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilla dj=0 |
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| 01:13.38 | themolest | Saz|Laptop well, you didn't say that... have you looked for a process/memory leak of some sort |
| 01:13.40 | catsup | oops |
| 01:13.56 | markybob | catsup, oh...we should listen to you now.... |
| 01:14.02 | Saz|Laptop | themolest, I have, no luck |
| 01:14.17 | catsup | that's from Saz|Laptop's pastebin |
| 01:14.27 | Saz|Laptop | and Ive re-did my.cnf like, 20 times to fix any issues from mysql |
| 01:14.30 | catsup | i accidentally hit my touchpad with my palm and it pasted :\ |
| 01:15.03 | Saz|Laptop | i dont know, maybe I'd be better off restarting mysql once every other week |
| 01:15.05 | jmarsden | Saz|Laptop: If you are willing to kill the world and restart, as a "solution", why not just schedule a weekly server reboot, like some Windows folks do -- at least you get to pick the day of the week and the time of day when it happens that way, rather than have to do it at a busy time for many of your server users. |
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| 01:15.34 | catsup | what |
| 01:15.41 | catsup | is it accumulating memory usage?? |
| 01:15.43 | jmarsden | But that kind of "solution" is very much not the Linux way... better to figure out the real issue and solve it. |
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| 01:15.58 | markybob | catsup, please stop talking. you've made it clear that you're not all there |
| 01:16.13 | catsup | markybob: because i accidentally pasted something? |
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| 01:16.24 | Saz|Laptop | if it helps, I actually had top up before the server went down |
| 01:16.50 | Saz|Laptop | http://pastebin.com/m1b3f688b |
| 01:17.08 | Saz|Laptop | it doesnt look like the ram culprit was on that list though |
| 01:17.10 | catsup | Saz|Laptop: is it using more and more memory over time [the longer processes stay up]? |
| 01:17.34 | Saz|Laptop | catsup, it doesnt look like it, top shows it as only 9.5% usage |
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| 01:18.23 | catsup | Saz|Laptop: i mean over the course of days |
| 01:18.46 | Saz|Laptop | catsup, you can tell by my top output that mysql has been open for a few days now |
| 01:19.03 | catsup | right but i don't know how much memory it was using 3 days ago |
| 01:19.43 | Saz|Laptop | obiously as much as it needed |
| 01:19.49 | catsup | anyway i was just trying to imply that if it's NOT accumulating memory usage, then restarting it periodically wont' fix it. the problem is more likely a spike in memory usage that has no relation to uptime |
| 01:19.53 | Saz|Laptop | and not enough to take down the server |
| 01:20.04 | Saz|Laptop | catsup, probably |
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| 01:22.10 | adb | Saz|Laptop, seen two Tasks as zombie , what's that ? |
| 01:22.58 | Saz|Laptop | adb, good question |
| 01:23.25 | Saz|Laptop | i've occasionally had apache tasks go into disk sleep, but that stopped when I had the ram replaced |
| 01:25.25 | Saz|Laptop | `of course isn't it great that this kind of thing always happens when I'm away from the computer |
| 01:26.00 | dbb | hello - package question.. so I'd like to get a recent python-sqlalchemy for this Debian 5.. the stable package is quite old, so I go to http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/sqlalchemy.. but, am I missing the obvious? Where is the actual .deb?? |
| 01:26.00 | Saz|Laptop | in fact, 20 minutes beforehand I had putty open and had no problems on the machine |
| 01:26.19 | Saz|Laptop | then I drive home, once I get home, everything was crashed |
| 01:26.35 | NoCode | What's the man page for boot options for /etc/fstab? |
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| 01:26.59 | markybob | NoCode, um...man fstab |
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| 01:27.31 | dbb | ohh http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/python-sqlalchemy/download |
| 01:27.43 | Saz|Laptop | also, it it helps, here's my munin output |
| 01:27.43 | Saz|Laptop | http://main.cultnet.net/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain.html |
| 01:29.34 | NoCode | markybob, haha, awesome. Thanks. I did that first and was thinking, "It doesn't list what options I can use" and I closed it. :| |
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| 01:30.25 | dbb | ok, so python-support wants to be bumped up too |
| 01:30.51 | dbb | I *imagine* this is harmless.. look in sid also ? |
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| 01:30.56 | dbb | 0.84 to 0.9 |
| 01:31.00 | adb | Saz|Laptop, i'll stop useing [418:44.74] skype and see what happens .. |
| 01:31.01 | LOOOOL | 0.84 to 0.9 |
| 01:31.04 | LOOOOL | Saz|Laptop, i'll stop useing [418:44.74] skype and see what happens .. |
| 01:31.26 | adb | !ops LOOOOL is a bot |
| 01:31.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: LOOOOL is a bot |
| 01:31.26 | dbb | is a robot laughing at me? |
| 01:31.38 | LOOOOL | !ops the jews havent been exterminated yet |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: looool complains about: the jews havent been exterminated yet |
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| 01:31.43 | LOOOOL | is a robot laughing at me? |
| 01:31.45 | catsup | NoCode: filesystem options are in man mount (see also the SEE ALSO section of fstab) |
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| 01:32.08 | NoCode | Thanks |
| 01:32.22 | dbb | let me guess that was a mischief robot |
| 01:32.25 | mentor | Very civil to notify us of his arrival |
| 01:32.40 | Saz|Laptop | adb, you think skype was causing it? |
| 01:32.59 | NoCode | I would have, but after he was kicked I see what he'd done and he was kicked. |
| 01:33.10 | adb | Saz|Laptop, proprietary software ? |
| 01:33.28 | NoCode | bleh, I can't type, or think tonight. Must be lack of caffeine |
| 01:33.52 | Saz|Laptop | adb, find me open source software that can send sms messages for free or using my skype balanace |
| 01:33.57 | catsup | maybe he was trying to get his IP block banned |
| 01:33.59 | Saz|Laptop | *balance |
| 01:34.00 | catsup | to frame someone :\ |
| 01:34.19 | mentor | It's not really a software problem |
| 01:34.33 | jpinx-eeepc | catsup: I've been looking for testing from skype in debian, but it seems to not exist |
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| 01:34.43 | mentor | To send SMS you need to access the mobile network, which requires some sort of deal with a network operator |
| 01:34.43 | Saz|Laptop | adb, ehere did you get that [418:44.74] from |
| 01:35.08 | catsup | jpinx-eeepc: um what? skype?? |
| 01:35.14 | dbb | hmm python-support is 0.8.4 in stable, which is what I have now, but 1.03 in sid.. kind of worrying jump in numbers.. larger than the 0.9+ requested in my sqlalchemy .deb |
| 01:35.34 | dbb | I dont want to screw up python, that would be bad |
| 01:35.39 | adb | Saz|Laptop, skype and mysqld was the longer running processes , and mysqld is ok in long run on servers |
| 01:35.42 | adb | 22373 root 20 0 62308 22m 100 R 11 1.1 418:44.74 skype |
| 01:35.50 | jpinx-eeepc | afaik you can send text messages from skype in windoes |
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| 01:36.07 | jpinx-eeepc | mentor: but not from the linux insstall |
| 01:36.10 | catsup | jpinx-eeepc: you must mean to address Saz|Laptop |
| 01:36.10 | Saz|Laptop | thats what I use skype for |
| 01:36.17 | Saz|Laptop | and yes, you can |
| 01:36.26 | Saz|Laptop | not from the client, but the API supports it |
| 01:36.43 | jpinx-eeepc | catsup: yes- sorry ;) |
| 01:37.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Saz|Laptop: do you have a working method? |
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| 01:37.35 | adb | Saz|Laptop, apt-cache search sms messages |
| 01:37.36 | Saz|Laptop | jpinx-eeepc, yes |
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| 01:37.38 | mentor | I would suggest that there is a cost to using Skype |
| 01:37.55 | dbb | basically mercurial wants some SQLAlchemy, I happen to be trying to use SQLAlchemy, the stable package is truly old, and I have this run-around with the new SA from sid |
| 01:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Saz|Laptop: care to share? |
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| 01:38.10 | Saz|Laptop | http://www.oberle.org/skype_linux_tools |
| 01:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Saz|Laptop: ok - so I download a tarball and do what with it? |
| 01:39.49 | Saz|Laptop | read the documentation for it |
| 01:39.51 | NoCode | As said before, I'm configuring fstab, this page I'm looking at describes what sync and async do with a floppy. Now, should I define the option as sync if I'm trying to configure a partition on a hard drive to mount? |
| 01:41.30 | Saz|Laptop | adb, looks like some of these need a modem |
| 01:41.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Saz|Laptop: ok - thanks |
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| 01:42.20 | Saz|Laptop | I'm going out on a limb and saying that its doubtful 1&1 put a modem in my machine, and going to further doubt that even if they did, they wouldn't have hooked it up to a wall |
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| 01:44.14 | NoCode | ah, nevermind. in defaults it uses async. So I'll use sync so my files are written right away |
| 01:45.43 | dbb | ok - so I installed python-support 1.03 from testing, and then python-sqlalchemy from unstable, and now mercurial's sqlalchemy requirement is satisfied.. and I looked at the files in python-support and it seems to not be a *huge* deal |
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| 01:45.50 | dbb | .. so maybe I am good to go |
| 01:46.01 | dbb | .. still getting used to this |
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| 01:53.01 | NoCode | How do I edit my grub file? I was dualbooting forever, and have Ubuntu options in there and want to remove them. |
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| 01:53.38 | beardy | !menu.lst |
| 01:54.03 | beardy | NoCode: You edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:55.11 | Saz|Laptop | can someone have dpkg tell me what I need to do to give dpkg a different upstream package |
| 01:55.17 | NoCode | thanks |
| 01:55.36 | Saz|Laptop | i want to backport a package that isn't the latest version even in sid |
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| 01:56.26 | beardy | Saz|Laptop: Install your package with dpkg --install package.deb? You are on your own with how it will work and affect your system though. |
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| 01:56.43 | Saz|Laptop | beardy, i mean to build a package with a different upstream version |
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| 01:56.57 | Saz|Laptop | i've done this before, but I can't recall the commands |
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| 01:57.35 | adb | !ssb |
| 01:57.36 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 01:57.41 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, you can follow /msd dpkg ssb for experimental |
| 01:58.10 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.32 | Saz|Laptop | markybob, i mean to backport a package without using debian's sources |
| 01:58.48 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, that's not possible |
| 01:58.55 | Saz|Laptop | markybob, no, i've done it before |
| 01:59.07 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, no, you're mistaken |
| 01:59.10 | valdyn | !uupdate |
| 01:59.11 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 01:59.19 | Saz|Laptop | thank you |
| 01:59.28 | Saz|Laptop | uupdate is exactly what I wanted |
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| 02:01.14 | Saz|Laptop | markybob, now we both know, I guess |
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| 02:01.35 | markybob | Saz|Laptop, uupdate is not backport |
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| 02:02.13 | Saz|Laptop | it isn't no, I couldn't figure out the proper term to describe what I wanted |
| 02:02.58 | NoCode | So should I delete the selected "title, root, kernel, initrd" entries that pertain to Ubuntu in /etc/grub/menu.lst? |
| 02:03.21 | Saz|Laptop | why the hell does devscripts want to install 50 new packages |
| 02:03.45 | NoCode | I guess I can use the SGBD if this doesn't work. xD |
| 02:04.01 | Saz|Laptop | screw that, I'll just extract the devscripts package |
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| 02:11.22 | mr_crowley | hi a need to debug and exe file........, is there any command on debian i can use?? |
| 02:11.40 | mr_crowley | or apt-get it |
| 02:12.17 | adb | debian.exe |
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| 02:19.53 | markybob | mr_crowley, debug an exe file? are you on crack? |
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| 02:22.06 | mr_crowley | markybob: no i have an exe file virus on my pendrive |
| 02:22.14 | mr_crowley | and i wanna take a look at it |
| 02:22.33 | baggend | Does anyone know how wxWidgets determines which default www browser to use in Debian? I've verified all of my alternatives but it keeps using the wrong browser. |
| 02:23.17 | markybob | mr_crowley, you can scan it with clamav, but you cant "debug" it. |
| 02:23.35 | markybob | mr_crowley, that's just stupid |
| 02:24.11 | mr_crowley | okey thanks for the tip |
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| 02:28.00 | maddash | hi. why does the following pair of lines in my /.htaccess cause an infinite loop? "RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off |
| 02:28.00 | maddash | RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}%{HTTPS}" |
| 02:28.36 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:36.24 | NoCode | Should I be using a LAMP setup for local backups? |
| 02:37.37 | markybob | NoCode, lamp has absolutely nothing to do with backups |
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| 02:38.39 | sattam | hi , is ubuntu still dosen't give back to debian ? |
| 02:39.18 | markybob | sattam, ubuntu matters not in here. if you want ubuntu help/information, go to #ubuntu |
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| 02:39.58 | sattam | markybob: ok , thank you |
| 02:40.56 | sattam | another question is debian work like fedora , i mean working with upstream ? |
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| 02:43.42 | NoCode | markybob, What should I do then? Should I just use a Debian installation without x? |
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| 02:44.54 | markybob | NoCode, you should start to make sense. nothing that you've said so far has been logical |
| 02:45.20 | NoCode | Ah okay. Have a good night. |
| 02:45.32 | markybob | bye |
| 02:46.29 | dbb | well, you could debug an exe.. but I dont think I want to encourage that... |
| 02:47.11 | dbb | fascination with virii doesnt sound like a great thought on saturday night |
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| 02:48.01 | dbb | and a big nothing for Crowley, too, while we are at it |
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| 02:49.16 | dbb | so chill out mr_crowley |
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| 02:52.38 | stoned_enkidu | hi in here. Where Debian stores "old" IPtables configs? I had been using own scripts for very long time, but when I change config I get old config restored in few hours |
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| 02:58.15 | r0nin | after installing my custom kernel I can't compile my modem drivers? but im not sure why, I think it might be something in /lib/modules/"uname -r", but it links back to kernel source. |
| 02:58.49 | r0nin | heres the build log, but I can't tell where the problem is. http://pastebin.com/d125af7f0 |
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| 02:59.42 | markybob | r0nin, did you install the kernel headers for your custom kernel? you'd do something like dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.31.i386.deb linux-headers-2.6.31.i386.deb |
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| 02:59.51 | markybob | r0nin, without the headers, you wont compile shit |
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| 03:00.01 | r0nin | no. |
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| 03:00.03 | zsakr | hi! Is there a way to export audio to a MiniDV tape over firewire? |
| 03:00.18 | markybob | r0nin, then that's your problem |
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| 03:00.24 | r0nin | the headers wouldn't be within the kernel source? |
| 03:00.56 | zsakr | ? |
| 03:01.18 | markybob | r0nin, depends how you compile. if you follow the debian method of compiling kernels, you'd do make-kpkg kernel_images kernel_headers --rootcmd rfakeroot |
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| 03:01.37 | markybob | r0nin, if you do it any other way, then it isnt supported and you're fucking yourself |
| 03:01.38 | stoned_enkidu | ffs five minutes and my rules gone |
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| 03:07.27 | n3kr0 | im geting a painc in smbd daemon, any idea what to look at? |
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| 03:09.38 | r0nin | log.smbd? |
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| 03:10.57 | n3kr0 | yes |
| 03:11.14 | n3kr0 | there i can see the panic |
| 03:12.45 | xeberdee | Newbie - What's the best way to update the entire system? |
| 03:13.10 | n3kr0 | r0nin: can i paste it to #flood so you can take a look? |
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| 03:15.11 | r0nin | no, apparently |
| 03:15.43 | zsoc | That was really, really funny to me. I'm not sure why. |
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| 03:18.38 | n3kr0 | r0nin: i ve pasted the log in http://paste.debian.net/48085/ |
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| 03:21.58 | r0nin | I'm not sure, you should really try over at #samba |
| 03:22.10 | n3kr0 | ok. thanks |
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| 03:44.23 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 03:44.23 | dpkg | privet, rumpsy |
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| 03:45.13 | rumpsy | how to clean temp files in debian |
| 03:45.23 | rumpsy | I mean diskcleanup |
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| 03:45.42 | rumpsy | Any clue! |
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| 03:46.23 | rumpsy | !destop |
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| 03:47.51 | rumpsy | Hmm... any help |
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| 03:48.07 | rumpsy | !seen bready |
| 03:48.07 | dpkg | rumpsy: i haven't seen 'bready' |
| 03:48.26 | rumpsy | !seen beardy |
| 03:48.26 | dpkg | beardy is currently on #debian (15h 53m 46s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1h 52m 1s, last said: 'Saz|Laptop: Install your package with dpkg --install package.deb? You are on your own with how it will work and affect your system though.'. |
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| 03:49.10 | rumpsy | !seen rumpsy |
| 03:49.10 | dpkg | rumpsy is currently on #debian (4m 44s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen rumpsy'. |
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| 03:53.14 | gullstein | back again. I really can not figure out what is wrong with my raid0 array. If anyone can help I would be grateful |
| 03:53.17 | adb | Saz|Laptop, gnokii-smsd-mysql |
| 03:53.29 | Saz|Laptop | what |
| 03:53.42 | rumpsy | diskcleanup? how? |
| 03:53.56 | rumpsy | Is that possible in debian? |
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| 03:54.08 | rumpsy | I'm looking for this. |
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| 03:57.13 | gullstein | rumpsy: why you want a diskcleanup tool? |
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| 03:59.32 | rumpsy | to clean temp files and uneanted files |
| 03:59.42 | rumpsy | to clean temp files and unwanted files |
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| 04:00.33 | gullstein | rumpsy: I think linux handle that quite well itself. I only use apt-get autoremove |
| 04:01.05 | rumpsy | what about internet files? |
| 04:01.30 | rumpsy | for iceweasel? |
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| 04:04.29 | gullstein | rumpsy: you can go to tools and clear private data. I think most files are seleted in x days if not used. I could be wrong about this |
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| 04:05.38 | rumpsy | what holds "/temp" |
| 04:05.52 | rumpsy | can delete files inside temp |
| 04:05.58 | rumpsy | can i delete files inside temp |
| 04:06.55 | gullstein | rumpsy: only as root I think |
| 04:07.50 | adb | no |
| 04:08.11 | rumpsy | what... no |
| 04:08.27 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:08.45 | rumpsy | then? |
| 04:08.56 | adb | then ? |
| 04:09.21 | keule_ | ? |
| 04:09.41 | adb | rumpsy, /temp is deleted automatically at each boot |
| 04:10.11 | adb | well tmp/ |
| 04:10.29 | rumpsy | hmm... well this is good |
| 04:11.00 | rumpsy | !hey adb |
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| 04:12.43 | rumpsy | Gnome cool themes.... |
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| 04:15.28 | rumpsy | Where can i get nice themes |
| 04:17.35 | gullstein | I have created md0 and did it works until I reboot, when shuting down md0 and md1 is stopped, but on reboot only md1 is started. md1 is raid1 amd md0 is a raid0 and they use the same hardware. Anyone can help me? |
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| 04:18.49 | NoCode | how does apt-build work? How would it differ from apt-get? I know it builds compiled things into debs from source. But where does it get the source? Wouldn't it be the same as an apt-get system? |
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| 04:20.09 | gullstein | NoCode: You need two lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list one line for packages and one for source packages. |
| 04:20.55 | gullstein | NoCode: Open the /etc/apt/sources.list and have a look |
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| 04:28.29 | UbuntuPro | I want to be a professional hacker, is debian good for that? |
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| 04:29.06 | IceIsFun | I have a directory name that is jacking up my LS output and I can't see what it is to kill it |
| 04:29.42 | \amethyst | IceIsFun: do you see any part of it? |
| 04:29.55 | IceIsFun | Ã |
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| 04:30.00 | IceIsFun | but it doesn't look like that |
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| 04:30.08 | IceIsFun | it looks like a D with a dash through the back of it |
| 04:30.21 | \amethyst | IceIsFun: is there part of the filename that you do know? |
| 04:30.39 | IceIsFun | Wait using "vim ." let me rename it to something sane |
| 04:30.56 | IceIsFun | just remembered vim manages directory structure |
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| 04:31.08 | UbuntuPro | is vim good for hacking? |
| 04:31.22 | \amethyst | IceIsFun: that works... my suggestion was going to be e.g. mv *theasciipart* somethingsane |
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| 04:37.00 | gullstein | UbuntuPro: yes vim is perfect for hacking win2000 servers |
| 04:37.23 | UbuntuPro | Ok, how do I get a vim? |
| 04:37.39 | gullstein | apt-get install vim |
| 04:38.27 | UbuntuPro | does it work on myspace? |
| 04:38.31 | rumpsy | What is "VIM" |
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| 04:39.03 | gullstein | UbuntuPro: you just got to try |
| 04:39.09 | rumpsy | VI-editor |
| 04:39.40 | UbuntuPro | i want to hack my friends myspace, well not really my friend, but he posted a picture on there i dont like of me.. so i need to hack his password |
| 04:39.59 | rumpsy | its occupies 24mb |
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| 04:42.25 | gullstein | UbuntuPro: I wold rather contact myspace and tell them your "friend" has posted your picture without your approval rather then taking part in criminal activity. |
| 04:42.45 | rumpsy | Yep.... gullstein is right |
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| 04:43.26 | UbuntuPro | ok, maybe i should just call the fbi and they will get him |
| 04:44.13 | rumpsy | heh |
| 04:44.33 | rumpsy | s/then/than |
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| 04:52.38 | moncapitane | ok, what am i missing. I am trying to mount a drive so a user and not just root can access it |
| 04:52.43 | moncapitane | what do i do in order to accomplish this. |
| 04:53.40 | rumpsy | Mount as root.. and change mode |
| 04:53.46 | moncapitane | trying that |
| 04:53.48 | moncapitane | nothing is happening |
| 04:53.59 | moncapitane | trying to change to 777 but it stays at 755 |
| 04:54.01 | rumpsy | Is that a ntfs partition? |
| 04:54.03 | moncapitane | fat32 |
| 04:54.31 | moncapitane | i know ntfs and linux don't mix too well |
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| 04:56.14 | moncapitane | hey rumpsy, i know what chmod is |
| 04:56.38 | rumpsy | can you tell me the command you used to mount |
| 04:57.00 | moncapitane | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 |
| 04:57.25 | rumpsy | Can you change you mount point to home |
| 04:57.34 | rumpsy | Can you change your mount point to home |
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| 04:57.58 | rumpsy | like /home/moncapitane/windows |
| 04:57.59 | sswam | does anyone know how to make less not print lots of blank lines to clear the screen before displaying a short file? |
| 04:58.14 | moncapitane | rumpsy, i just moved it to /home/user/test |
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| 04:58.41 | rumpsy | okay.... what happens now... can you read it now |
| 04:58.46 | moncapitane | http://pastebin.com/m2a754273 |
| 04:58.48 | moncapitane | same thing |
| 04:58.55 | rumpsy | Okay.... wait |
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| 05:01.17 | rumpsy | $ chmod +x foo "use this" |
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| 05:01.44 | moncapitane | same thing |
| 05:01.53 | moncapitane | doesn't +x just change it to something 5 5 ? |
| 05:01.57 | moncapitane | so its executable? |
| 05:02.10 | rumpsy | ya... just i want to check ... |
| 05:02.33 | moncapitane | ok |
| 05:03.20 | rumpsy | what about 751 |
| 05:03.22 | rumpsy | $ chmod 751 foo |
| 05:04.30 | rumpsy | i think 751 may helps groups to take advantage |
| 05:05.47 | moncapitane | chmod 751 didn't change anything |
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| 05:06.03 | moncapitane | still 750 |
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| 05:06.10 | moncapitane | i mean 755 |
| 05:06.32 | flaccid | with apt or dpkg, how can i retrieve only 1 line of information for an installed package? dpkg -l bash for example has lots of extra stuff? |
| 05:06.45 | Coweater | sswam: less -c has that effect i think, afaik less will always take over the terminal and return it to it's previous state when exiting though |
| 05:07.25 | sswam | -X stops it returning to previous state, which is good. I want to know how to stop it clearing the screen too |
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| 05:07.37 | sswam | -c isn't it I think |
| 05:08.35 | moncapitane | you figure anything out rumpsy |
| 05:08.57 | Coweater | hmm, my screen isn't cleared when using -X, are you using a terminal emulator? |
| 05:09.07 | rumpsy | 777 is works fine here |
| 05:09.08 | sswam | yes I'm using xterm |
| 05:09.19 | moncapitane | thats really weird rumpsy |
| 05:09.24 | moncapitane | it works for any other folders |
| 05:09.31 | moncapitane | just not these mounted volumes |
| 05:09.53 | sswam | hm TERM=dumb less -d does what I want, but at a price! |
| 05:10.09 | rumpsy | hmm..... |
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| 05:10.40 | moncapitane | http://pastebin.com/m1d673f4d |
| 05:10.50 | moncapitane | am i not doing something with the mounted volumes? |
| 05:10.53 | moncapitane | volumns* |
| 05:10.57 | moncapitane | crap, i cannot spell |
| 05:12.02 | k-man | what could cause the login process to hang just before it gives me the shell? |
| 05:12.18 | k-man | happens over ssh and from a vc |
| 05:12.29 | rumpsy | Are you using ntfs-3g |
| 05:12.35 | k-man | even killing sshd will then hang after that |
| 05:12.36 | moncapitane | no, its fat32 |
| 05:13.42 | sswam | hm vim works pretty good in a dumb terminal, impressive :) |
| 05:13.43 | rumpsy | use this example "mount -t vfat -o rw,uid=josh /dev/sda5 /home/josh/keep" |
| 05:14.40 | moncapitane | i think that is gunna work |
| 05:15.34 | moncapitane | i think that worked |
| 05:15.39 | moncapitane | i knew there was a mount setting for it |
| 05:15.53 | rumpsy | Its vfatrw |
| 05:16.08 | rumpsy | I think you got a msg of that? |
| 05:18.21 | moncapitane | i didn't get any issues with it |
| 05:18.45 | rumpsy | Hmm.. can you access now? |
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| 05:19.42 | rumpsy | Debian channel always rocks :-DD |
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| 05:24.00 | peterrooney | k-man: does ssh -v -v give any clues? |
| 05:25.59 | k-man | peterrooney: its currently working - it seems to work for a while after reboot and then hang |
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| 05:26.07 | k-man | i'll try ssh -v -v next time it happens |
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| 05:36.26 | rumpsy | bye everybody |
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| 06:18.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:18.59 | dpkg | <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
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| 06:54.03 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 06:54.03 | dpkg | <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
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| 06:55.57 | simonrvn | O_O |
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| 07:02.14 | peterrooney | I don't want to help legba7 beep his woody. |
| 07:02.31 | peterrooney | or his squeeze |
| 07:05.05 | liable | or squeeze his woody? |
| 07:06.45 | njk | dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory am getting this error while trying to build deb file |
| 07:07.30 | liable | how did you debianise the source? |
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| 07:08.56 | njk | i just ran dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:09.15 | liable | and the source was already debianised?? |
| 07:09.22 | liable | where did you get it? |
| 07:09.27 | wooden | hallo. what repos do i need in sources.list to apt-get the kernel source for my debian unstable kernel? |
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| 07:09.50 | liable | wooden: nothing, its in the normal repo. search for linux-source |
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| 07:10.45 | wooden | liable: thanks. was searching for kernel-source-X.X.XX |
| 07:11.54 | wooden | <3 |
| 07:11.59 | liable | yw |
| 07:12.55 | njk | nope i have made a program that i want to make a deb file of |
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| 07:13.15 | njk | this is my first attempt to make deb, so am kinda noob |
| 07:13.44 | liable | !nm |
| 07:13.45 | dpkg | well, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
| 07:13.45 | njk | should i pastie debian/* files |
| 07:14.04 | liable | see the new maintainers guide, it'll walk you through it |
| 07:16.00 | njk | i followed it, created debian/control debian/changelog debian/rules and then ran sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b |
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| 07:16.45 | liable | njk: if you followed it, you would have used dh_make, and it would have built it properly |
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| 07:18.40 | njk | but there is no dh_make in opensuse |
| 07:20.12 | liable | oh, i can understand how might forget the tiny fucking point that you arent actually running debian.. |
| 07:20.38 | liable | ok, now i am not sure how to go about it for you then |
| 07:20.49 | njk | lol ok |
| 07:20.50 | liable | i'm sure there are scripts available to do it though |
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| 07:22.05 | liable | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-binary-packages-many-linux-distributions-once |
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| 07:23.33 | njk | yeah there only the error is coming |
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| 07:24.45 | someotherguy | hey all.. quick question. i'm using an older (woody) version of debian on an old 386 system, but i'm having problems using the archive repository.. how is a line in sources.list supposed to look for archive.debian.org ?? i thought it should be like |
| 07:25.00 | someotherguy | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists woody/main contrib non-free |
| 07:25.03 | someotherguy | or am i not right? |
| 07:25.06 | someotherguy | apt-get update gets a 404 |
| 07:25.12 | liable | someotherguy: doesnt the web page for a.d.o have info? |
| 07:25.31 | someotherguy | didn't see anything on help to use it in an older debian distro no |
| 07:25.35 | someotherguy | i've looked |
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| 07:26.23 | someotherguy | i've done this in the past too, and i thought this is how i formatted it but i guess not |
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| 07:27.06 | liable | try no / after woody, and a space before main |
| 07:27.26 | someotherguy | i have tried that too actually, i've done a few variations |
| 07:27.30 | someotherguy | still got a 404 :( |
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| 07:27.36 | someotherguy | i'll try again maybe i messed up previously |
| 07:27.53 | someotherguy | yeah, that gets 404 as well |
| 07:28.34 | liable | actually, remove dists too |
| 07:28.53 | someotherguy | that did it, yuo are the man >:D |
| 07:29.02 | someotherguy | smack himself... shoulda caught that |
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| 07:29.47 | someotherguy | i've been using debian since 2003, i should've figured this on my own. |
| 07:29.50 | someotherguy | thanks liable |
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| 07:29.54 | gearmoankey | how can i stole debian? |
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| 07:30.12 | simonrvn | what? |
| 07:30.42 | liable | no worries |
| 07:31.20 | liable | gearmoankey: no need to steal, its free.. |
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| 07:31.25 | kozio | hey |
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| 07:31.35 | kozio | got a problem with ATI 3D acceleration |
| 07:31.48 | kozio | I succefully installed my drivers |
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| 07:35.04 | liable | kozio: which drivers? |
| 07:35.05 | trochala | Hello, is there a script that adds a service at the correct order (concerning dependencies)? |
| 07:35.24 | liable | a service that has dependancies? |
| 07:35.31 | kozio | ATI readon 4500 series I installed driver ati 4550 series |
| 07:35.37 | kozio | my laptop Dell Studio |
| 07:35.49 | trochala | liable: yes |
| 07:36.05 | liable | what is "ati 4550 series" driver? |
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| 07:36.11 | liable | trochala: expand |
| 07:36.14 | brutus_ | how do I modify incremental search to instantly delete characters when I hit backspace, instead of just going to the previous occurrence of the word? |
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| 07:36.22 | kozio | ye |
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| 07:36.35 | kozio | I download it from ati website |
| 07:36.38 | liable | fucking hell, why can't anyone ask questions correctly anymore? |
| 07:36.51 | liable | kozio: right, so you actually mean fglrx? |
| 07:37.03 | kozio | ye fglrx X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
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| 07:37.40 | dgeary2 | what is the latest pam_mount/libHX version that is compatible with debian etch? |
| 07:38.11 | liable | probably the one that etch released with? |
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| 07:38.57 | dgeary2 | liable: hmm... i hadn't actually thought about it that way... |
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| 07:39.44 | liable | kozio: try #ati or possibly there might be #fglrx, but we don't really know what is wrong with non debian closed source software. |
| 07:40.49 | liable | kozio: your card is likely supported by open source software, the folks at #ati (or it might be #radeon, i forget) should be able to help you. |
| 07:40.57 | tawan | this new DependencyBasedBoot seems nice but my boot is still 30 seconds, i just looks different. Anyone know if DependencyBasedBoot should be used along side readahead? |
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| 07:41.44 | liable | dgeary2: dunno, but something like pam, i would be hesitant to even think about backporting |
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| 07:42.37 | dgeary2 | liable: why is that? |
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| 07:43.08 | trochala | liable: update-rc.d adds services with sequence number 20. I 'd like a script that checks the service dependencies and uses a seq. number based on them |
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| 07:43.25 | liable | dgeary2: because its an important package, it changes fairly frequently, and its depends are likely large |
| 07:43.45 | fredl | hmm this is unusual. I tried unmounting an NFS share. It appears to be hung. However, the unmounted filesystem no longer shows up in the mount table. |
| 07:43.51 | dgeary2 | liable: i am only interested in pam_mount which is distributed outside of pam |
| 07:43.58 | liable | trochala: just tell update-rc.d to give it whatever start number you want it to have |
| 07:44.16 | liable | dgeary2: ok, i just presumed it was part of it |
| 07:44.32 | fredl | the umount.nfs process is in a D state... |
| 07:44.49 | liable | zombie attack! |
| 07:44.51 | liable | run! |
| 07:44.59 | fredl | myeah... |
| 07:44.59 | liable | gets the shotgun |
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| 07:45.24 | trochala | liable: This is the way I am doing it now, but I have to check the dependencies myself. I was wondering if there is a script that automates that |
| 07:45.25 | fredl | there's 3 kernel flush processes running though. |
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| 07:45.52 | liable | trochala: not that i have heard of, doesn't sound like it would be that hard to whip up one though |
| 07:46.40 | trochala | liable: yes, indeed :) thanks |
| 07:46.55 | fredl | but I also cannot remount the NFS share from this box, that hangs right away too. |
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| 07:47.12 | dgeary2 | liable: re pam_mount, it turns out that you are correct... etch does not ship with libHX and does ship with the latest version of pam_mount that does not use libHX |
| 07:47.30 | fredl | oh well it's a scratch NFS server anyway, I'll just reboot. |
| 07:48.24 | liable | dgeary2: why are you running an etch box anyway? |
| 07:49.06 | dgeary2 | liable: good question... the only reason is that i have a local mirror of it |
| 07:49.28 | liable | poor excuse :P |
| 07:51.25 | dgeary2 | i see, i'll try lenny then... |
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| 07:55.06 | fredl | anybody have an idea what this means: http://pastebin.ca/1591982 |
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| 07:59.34 | fredl | why does it say # |
| 07:59.34 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.36 | fredl | ? |
| 07:59.42 | liable | man mdadm? look like its degraded, but why doesnt it say that? |
| 07:59.59 | fredl | it looks to me like somehow one disk has gone missing from the RAID. |
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| 08:00.04 | liable | did you remove a device or something with mdadm? |
| 08:00.12 | fredl | nope, not intentionally. |
| 08:00.31 | liable | have you been playing with mdadm? |
| 08:00.41 | fredl | I just had to reset the system with the reset button after a hung nfs umount. |
| 08:01.11 | liable | dmesg say anything fun? |
| 08:01.18 | fredl | lemme check. |
| 08:01.38 | fredl | [ 18.440708] md: kicking non-fresh sda2 from array! |
| 08:01.52 | fredl | [ 18.458396] md0: detected capacity change from 0 to 1500192243712 |
| 08:02.00 | fredl | [ 18.466527] md0: unknown partition table |
| 08:02.18 | fredl | scratches his chin |
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| 08:03.10 | fredl | I can't just re-add it? |
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| 08:04.50 | gullstein | I still have not been able to get my md0 work. I can mount it and use it until I do a reboot then it die. Anyone with good sugestions? |
| 08:05.08 | fredl | simply mdadm --add /dev/sda2 /dev/md0 I'd think... |
| 08:05.09 | Hoxzer | tarvis safkaa :/ |
| 08:05.46 | fredl | well mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sd2 that is |
| 08:06.06 | fredl | there it goes, synching. |
| 08:06.09 | liable | fredl: because of the hard reset, i guess it needs to check the thing before you add it. sorry, not much help, i havent had a raid for a while, and even then, i didnt have to mess with it much |
| 08:06.09 | fredl | strange though. |
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| 08:06.48 | fredl | liable, well /proc/mdadm now says it's doing recovery, so so far so good. |
| 08:07.13 | gullstein | fredl: I also find it strange since I also created a second raid array witch work perfectly |
| 08:07.26 | fredl | oh I noticed something the other day as well, it seems update-from-grub-legacy is missing in Sid from the grub-pc pkg. |
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| 08:08.17 | fredl | gullstein, I also don't have much experience with md, let alone with troubleshooting it. |
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| 08:08.53 | fredl | gullstein, can you try to simply recreate the raid then? |
| 08:09.12 | gullstein | fredl: I tryed and it die every time. |
| 08:09.28 | gullstein | fredl: What are you strugling with? |
| 08:10.05 | fredl | well nothing anymore right now, as I just re-added a partition to a raid1 and now it's syncronizing. |
| 08:10.38 | fredl | I'm just a tad weirded out that this could happen. |
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| 08:11.10 | gullstein | fredl: What are you strugling with? |
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| 08:11.26 | fredl | well nothing anymore right now, as I just re-added a partition to a raid1 and now it's syncronizing. |
| 08:11.41 | fredl | read: I'm not struggling with anything. |
| 08:11.59 | gullstein | fredl: mdadm --add will add and sync the drives? |
| 08:12.23 | fredl | yes. |
| 08:12.26 | gullstein | fredl: I though mdadm --add only would add the new drive as a hot spare |
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| 08:13.05 | fredl | well maybe, but the partition I added had already been initialized as part of the raid. |
| 08:13.26 | fredl | so it now says: |
| 08:13.29 | fredl | omega:~# mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 |
| 08:13.30 | fredl | mdadm: re-added /dev/sda2 |
| 08:13.55 | fredl | and looking in /proc/mdstat says it's synching |
| 08:13.56 | gullstein | fredl: ok, I had to use a grow option to get a new disk to be part of the raid. |
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| 08:14.34 | fredl | worth checking into some more though. |
| 08:15.00 | fredl | as I'm not using raid to be helpless when a crash comes :) |
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| 08:15.46 | gullstein | fredl: I'm thinking to get a 3d disk to use as hot spare, I think it will be automaticly added and synced into the raid if one disk die |
| 08:16.23 | fredl | well that erring on the side of extremely cautious... |
| 08:16.44 | fredl | personally I think having a raid1 is safe enough for me. |
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| 08:17.22 | fredl | but if shit like this happens and I don't notice one partition being degraded, that's pretty fubar. I just happened to notice now... |
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| 08:17.40 | gullstein | fredl: I read some info that disk'a get worn over time so if one disk die the second is likely to be at the end of it's lifespan aswell. A hot spare will not be used so when syncingin it will be like new |
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| 08:17.52 | fredl | but what if I hadn't noticed since this is supposed to be a server and it sits there being degraded for months and then a disk dies. |
| 08:18.53 | fredl | yeah it makes sense. these two disks in this system were both bought at the same time so it's probable that they'll last about as long. |
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| 08:19.54 | gullstein | fredl: main reason I will ask santa for a 3 one for xmass |
| 08:20.22 | fredl | well there's always your backup ofcourse :-) |
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| 08:21.17 | fredl | I've also created /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 which should both be a /boot filesystem |
| 08:21.47 | fredl | I also still need to sort out how to boot from the one or the other, and how to keep them synched |
| 08:21.52 | fredl | shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 08:23.41 | gullstein | I think you nead grub2 to use raid without to mutch pain so maybe after squeeze go stable grub2 will be default in the next testing installer. I think the main proble is to unmount the dwo disks cleanly. |
| 08:23.54 | fredl | also, check /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 08:24.18 | Araneidae | Anybody know the magic key to get into the BIOS setup on a Dell Latitude? |
| 08:24.18 | fredl | there's a MAILADDR in there, I guess that may notify you of any degraded disks |
| 08:24.26 | Araneidae | Got to put Debian on it |
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| 08:25.03 | beardy | Araneidae: F1, Del, F10, no. |
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| 08:25.37 | Araneidae | NOne of those, no |
| 08:25.52 | Araneidae | and I've only got about two seconds before it goes into the boot sequence! |
| 08:25.57 | gullstein | fredl: Seams maybe I got to give up on md0, maybe I just should create md2? |
| 08:26.00 | beardy | F2? |
| 08:26.06 | beardy | I'm sure you've tried them all. |
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| 08:26.15 | _ST_ | It's F2 |
| 08:26.19 | beardy | But I just recalled that my EeePC uses F2.. |
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| 08:26.54 | Araneidae | Hmm. I was bashing on F4, f10, f11, f12, and one of them worked (or maybe f2 got it at the same time) |
| 08:28.01 | _ST_ | I'm pretty sure that the bios key is F2 |
| 08:29.15 | Araneidae | Well, I'm busily installing now, so I probably don't need to worry for a while |
| 08:29.40 | Araneidae | I guess the missing wifi component will get picked up later on during the install |
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| 08:30.24 | _ST_ | k :) the only other key on a dell for that should be DEL .. but if i remember right it was F2 |
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| 08:31.01 | leper_ | hello |
| 08:32.16 | leper_ | hello |
| 08:32.20 | leper_ | anyone alive here? |
| 08:32.30 | Araneidae | Well, _ST_, in maybe an hour when the install is done, I'll check whether F2 is the right key |
| 08:32.55 | macrobat | UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN!!! |
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| 08:34.07 | Araneidae | I guess now my ADSL gets hammered as the install is retrieved... |
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| 08:34.40 | prolix | hi |
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| 08:36.53 | leper_ | hi prolix |
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| 08:37.04 | leper_ | adb |
| 08:37.05 | leper_ | xD! |
| 08:37.49 | Araneidae | How well does sleep work with Dell laptops and Debian, anyone know? |
| 08:38.03 | Araneidae | is spoilt by Apple's perfect sleep function |
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| 08:40.10 | cahoot | sleep as in hibernate or suspend to ram? |
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| 08:40.50 | liable | jesus christ, there is *still* retard web devs that use shit that requires people to use IE *sigh* |
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| 08:41.38 | prolix | huh. |
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| 08:42.59 | prolix | does lenny have support for the rtl8187b shitset? |
| 08:43.04 | prolix | s/shitset/chipset/ |
| 08:43.06 | fredl | shitset? |
| 08:43.10 | fredl | :) |
| 08:43.20 | liable | hah, shitset is is actually about right :) |
| 08:43.29 | prolix | heh |
| 08:43.49 | fredl | liable - here in the Netherlands there are LOTS of webdevs doing that. |
| 08:44.08 | liable | prolix: try a backported kernel from backports. visit linuxwireless.org |
| 08:44.10 | Araneidae | cahoot, I'm unclear as to the precise distinctions, and frankly that's an implementation detail that's not important to me |
| 08:44.18 | fredl | it's sometimes utterly sickening how mostly government shops develop websites mostly with IE in mind. |
| 08:44.20 | Araneidae | With an Apple iBook I close the lid and the laptop "goes to sleep"; |
| 08:44.26 | prolix | liable: thank you |
| 08:44.35 | Araneidae | I open the lid, and within 3 seconds it's operating again. |
| 08:44.41 | cahoot | i e suspend to disk vs suspend to ram |
| 08:44.43 | liable | fredl: first time in ages I have come across it. i changed user agent, but now a button that i need to use doesnt work. fucking retards |
| 08:45.03 | fredl | Araneidae, well then you must be very happy with your crApple |
| 08:45.08 | cahoot | Araneidae: the distinction isn't meaningless |
| 08:45.10 | Araneidae | Can I even begin to think of doing anything like that with Debian + this Dell Latitude laptop? |
| 08:45.41 | Araneidae | Indeed I'm not, I;ve given up on Apple |
| 08:45.43 | simonrvn_ | wouldn't know |
| 08:45.45 | fredl | Araneidae, and if you're so happy with your crApple, I don't see any real reason to switch to Debian with a Dell Latitude. |
| 08:46.09 | liable | works for me. maybe a tiny bit longer than 3 seconds, but i havent timed it |
| 08:46.38 | fredl | sorry I'm touchy about Apple. |
| 08:46.46 | fredl | get irritated quickly :P |
| 08:46.54 | cahoot | my daughters mac sure is faster reconnection to wifi than my t61 |
| 08:46.58 | simonrvn_ | pokes fredl in the eye |
| 08:47.43 | fredl | :) |
| 08:47.45 | simonrvn_ | tries not to laugh too hard |
| 08:47.51 | Araneidae | fredl, yeah, that was a bit ... um, |
| 08:48.17 | Araneidae | anyhow, how would you suggest I configure sleep/hibernation/wtf for my Dell? |
| 08:48.17 | fredl | Araneidae, my wife has an Apple iTouch. |
| 08:48.25 | fredl | hope that explains it :) |
| 08:48.49 | liable | man, this is making me see red. why the fuck cant people use OS agnostic code for the fucking web?! |
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| 08:49.15 | simonrvn_ | tarddom. that's what it is. |
| 08:49.17 | Araneidae | I was very happy to switch from Windows to Apple quite a few years ago, but Apple's lock-in is getting worse and worse, so they're not interesting to me anymore |
| 08:49.39 | cahoot | liable: you seek freedom? |
| 08:49.45 | fredl | they're also about to pick a fight with Google it seems. |
| 08:49.54 | simonrvn_ | Araneidae: agreed about the lock-in. windows is just as bad. plus peecess nowadays have tpm chips... |
| 08:50.03 | simonrvn_ | peecees* |
| 08:50.03 | liable | cahoot: i seek to simply fill out a stupid web form. |
| 08:50.09 | Araneidae | Huh. This install download is *saturating* my ADSL! |
| 08:50.14 | fredl | calms down liable |
| 08:50.36 | simonrvn_ | !wondershaper |
| 08:50.36 | dpkg | it has been said that wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 08:50.37 | liable | not working. this screws my plans for taking over te world |
| 08:50.45 | simonrvn_ | Araneidae: ^^^^ |
| 08:50.48 | Araneidae | Oh, I hate *hate* *HATE* windows with venom (and I know that's not healthy) |
| 08:51.10 | Araneidae | Yeah. |
| 08:51.12 | simonrvn_ | wondershaper r0x |
| 08:51.14 | cahoot | preaching to the choir? |
| 08:51.22 | Araneidae | Unfortunately I'd have to install it on my *router*. Ho hum |
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| 08:51.46 | simonrvn_ | aaand...? ;) |
| 08:52.22 | Araneidae | the router I'm using at the moment is less than capable |
| 08:52.34 | Araneidae | also, I'm lazy |
| 08:52.34 | simonrvn_ | ah. suckage. |
| 08:52.39 | fredl | windows on your router?? |
| 08:52.51 | Araneidae | Well, it's fixable of course, but I'm lazy |
| 08:52.55 | fredl | gahh... |
| 08:52.59 | simonrvn_ | fredl: heh |
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| 08:53.20 | fredl | that'd be a first.. |
| 08:53.33 | fredl | well to me at least. |
| 08:53.41 | Araneidae | No, but actually it's rather interesting, my router is this little box: Dynamode R-ADSL-C4-2 |
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| 08:53.45 | simonrvn | win as a router os... UGH SHUDDER |
| 08:53.46 | Araneidae | A GPL violator :( |
| 08:54.14 | fredl | nonsense everybody know there are no GPL violators. |
| 08:54.18 | fredl | knows |
| 08:54.27 | simonrvn | yeh right |
| 08:54.41 | Araneidae | ? |
| 08:54.53 | fredl | just kidding, I'm in a weird mood never mind me. |
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| 08:55.01 | fredl | in fact I'm going to have some breakfast. |
| 08:55.05 | fredl | laterz |
| 08:55.21 | Araneidae | I didn't receive any hint that it's a Linux/Busybox based product ... but I can telnet in, and life gets interesting |
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| 08:56.01 | Araneidae | Unfortunately `ls` isn't in the busybox build, so I'm stuck with `cat` and `echo` mostly. |
| 08:56.24 | Araneidae | anyhow, *hugely* less than capable, but I had to buy it in a hurry |
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| 08:57.18 | Liquid-Silence | hey guys |
| 08:57.29 | Liquid-Silence | whats the best and easiest way to setup a mail server? |
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| 08:58.17 | simonrvn | with an editor |
| 08:58.27 | AimHere | The quickest and easiest way is just to run an unpatched and unfirewalled Windows box on the net |
| 08:58.28 | Liquid-Silence | I know that :P |
| 08:58.32 | Liquid-Silence | but what is the prefered? |
| 08:58.35 | simonrvn | fredl: bon apetit |
| 08:58.36 | Araneidae | `aptitude install postfix` ? |
| 08:58.37 | Liquid-Silence | postfix? |
| 08:58.46 | Araneidae | AimHere, lol |
| 08:58.48 | simonrvn | AimHere: hehe |
| 08:59.02 | simonrvn | yeh, and wait about 15 minutes |
| 08:59.17 | AimHere | You'll get peer to peer capabilities thrown in for free |
| 08:59.29 | Liquid-Silence | what I am saying is |
| 08:59.29 | simonrvn | lmfao |
| 08:59.34 | Liquid-Silence | is postfix prefered? |
| 08:59.46 | Araneidae | Liquid-Silence, well postfix came with my mail server install option, and it seems good |
| 08:59.47 | simonrvn | preferred for what? |
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| 09:00.07 | Araneidae | As in "favoured by the community", I imagine |
| 09:00.21 | Araneidae | over sendmail (may it rest in peace) |
| 09:00.25 | simonrvn | !mta comparison |
| 09:00.25 | dpkg | i heard mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 09:01.26 | Araneidae | Huh: exim, eh? AH well |
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| 09:02.05 | simonrvn | often bigger installations will use several, depending on need. exim excels at routing and auth (and configurability), postfix at throughput, etc. |
| 09:02.15 | a-l-e | hi. does anybody know why on my debian testing /proc/acpi/battery has desappeared? |
| 09:02.29 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:02.42 | Araneidae | That'll be a kernel config option, I imagine |
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| 09:03.18 | Araneidae | or at least, all I'm saying is, the kernel is in charge of /proc |
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| 09:05.11 | lucky- | hi |
| 09:05.22 | lucky- | anyone experienced with vps? |
| 09:05.40 | a-l-e | ...oufh... i may have found out... |
| 09:06.16 | a-l-e | /proc/acpi/battery seems to have bin split to a lot of files in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ |
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| 09:07.13 | Araneidae | Ah, I'm wrong: I'm using exim, not postfix! |
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| 09:09.47 | Araneidae | a-l-e, ah yes: lots of stuff seems to be migrating from /proc to /sys ! |
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| 09:11.07 | fredl | funny though, on http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison#Quick_Answer postfix scores a total of 16. Exim scores a total of 16... |
| 09:11.15 | fredl | still the 'best' is exim. |
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| 09:11.58 | fredl | exim only gets to 16 because it scores 2 points for 'also being on windows' |
| 09:12.07 | Araneidae | Oh dear! |
| 09:12.15 | fredl | I think 'being on windows' should be -2 |
| 09:12.26 | Araneidae | Well, I went with the flow. For some reason I thought it was postfix, but no, exim4 |
| 09:12.35 | Araneidae | fredl, can't disagree |
| 09:12.38 | lucky- | anyone who use vps? |
| 09:13.00 | fredl | 'being on windows' usually causes an influx of really irritating 'features' |
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| 09:13.06 | Araneidae | Argh, watching my "Retrieving file n of N ..." bar is excruciating |
| 09:13.34 | fredl | gimp is 'on windows'. Every since it's been 'on windows' I no longer have a clue as to where they're heading. |
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| 09:13.54 | fredl | and it gets more incomprehensive every day. |
| 09:14.15 | Araneidae | About the only thing I've done with Gimp is image cropping, and even then I can never figure out how to do it |
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| 09:14.32 | fredl | read: more like photoshop because tons of windoze lusers demand it be more 'like photoshop' |
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| 09:15.00 | fredl | it's called democracy. |
| 09:15.14 | AimHere | I don't think that the gimp interfaces is that unintuitive, but that's probably because I'm not used to photoshop |
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| 09:15.50 | fredl | well I've been used to gimp for years. |
| 09:16.05 | fredl | I used to like it much better. |
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| 09:17.49 | Jemt | Use Gimp Shop then |
| 09:18.00 | Jemt | http://www.gimpshop.com/ |
| 09:18.04 | Araneidae | Looks relevant to my earlier questions: http://www.debiantutorials.org/put-lenny-to-sleep-debian-gnulinux-lenny-308 |
| 09:18.11 | Jemt | Gimp with a Photoshop like interface |
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| 09:19.07 | fredl | yeah really, like I want to navigate through a website full of google ads. |
| 09:19.34 | Jemt | fredl: You sounds like an ass |
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| 09:19.49 | valdyn | !whine |
| 09:19.50 | dpkg | i heard whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 09:20.09 | fredl | Jemt excuse me? |
| 09:20.14 | Araneidae | I think fredl is being grumpy and mildly provocative, but not quite an ass |
| 09:20.53 | fredl | Araneidae, thank you. |
| 09:21.03 | Araneidae | I see no google ads on http://www.gimpshop.com/ so may maybe you were an ass there? |
| 09:21.11 | valdyn | gimpshop has ads? |
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| 09:21.20 | AimHere | fredl hasn't bothered to install adblock, but that doesn't make him an ass |
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| 09:21.31 | Araneidae | Oh, now I see an ad |
| 09:22.02 | Araneidae | but it hasn't loaded (probably because my link is overloaded!) |
| 09:22.10 | fredl | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-GIMPshop.com_-_A_GIMP_hack_by_Scott_Moschella_-_Mozilla_Firefox.png |
| 09:22.20 | fredl | It's FULL of ads |
| 09:22.37 | valdyn | fredl: i see |
| 09:22.42 | fredl | in fact there's more ads than substance to the page. |
| 09:23.00 | fredl | so don't call me an ass for stating the obvious. |
| 09:23.02 | Araneidae | Now *that* is strange |
| 09:23.04 | valdyn | fredl: which is why i barely recognised that screenshot |
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| 09:23.18 | Araneidae | Mine doesn't look like that at all |
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| 09:23.35 | Trewas | I would say the whole concept of gimpshop requires that there is very little substance |
| 09:23.46 | sterna | hi, is it normal for mysql to restart on lenny? is there a cron job that does this? |
| 09:24.13 | fredl | and to set something strange, I don't *want* gimp to look like photoshop like I don't want GNOME or KDE to look like Windows. |
| 09:24.22 | fredl | eht straight. |
| 09:24.30 | fredl | although 'strange' kinda fits :) |
| 09:24.37 | sterna | every now and then my mysql seems to restart which of course throws away all the caches and stuff which means it has to warm up again |
| 09:24.38 | AimHere | Well gnome or kde are doomed to look like windows. |
| 09:24.40 | sterna | and i don't like it |
| 09:24.53 | AimHere | Just from the demographics of all the users they want to grab |
| 09:24.55 | sterna | well windows isn't actually bad, UI wise |
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| 09:25.04 | AimHere | There are plenty of other windowmanagers out there though |
| 09:25.23 | fredl | I used enlightenment again a few months ago, early beta release of DR17 |
| 09:25.36 | simonrvn | ugh. win has the worst ui ever. |
| 09:25.36 | sterna | most people value consistency over efficiency, and sometimes they're the same |
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| 09:25.37 | sterna | simonrvn: for power users, certainly |
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| 09:25.46 | Araneidae | fredl, I got *one* ad on my gimpshop page |
| 09:25.55 | simonrvn | in aesthetics too |
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| 09:26.09 | fredl | Araneidae, hmm, looks like somebody may have been playing with geoip? :-) |
| 09:26.17 | sterna | i can't judge that, i'm the "netscape colours" guy |
| 09:26.29 | sterna | i like everything that's simple |
| 09:26.39 | neonesis | Hi everyone, i want to ask does anyone know how can i get cairo-dock sources? Links aren't working... |
| 09:26.40 | sterna | even if it looks like poo |
| 09:26.41 | AimHere | Araneidae, I only got one ad too, but I have adblock switched on. |
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| 09:27.01 | Araneidae | AimHere, no adblock here -- but I do have NoScript installed |
| 09:27.16 | Spike900 | hi, im running debian lenny with cyrus-2.2. after the last update i have problems with avelsieve for squirrelmail (webmailer). mail.log says: |
| 09:27.17 | Spike900 | cyrus/sieve[31311]: starttls: TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits new) no authentication |
| 09:27.22 | Spike900 | any suggestion what i can do to resolve this problem? |
| 09:27.25 | fredl | I don't have adblock, most of the times I don't mind ads. What I don't like is when a website is set up to make you click by accident on ads |
| 09:27.36 | simonrvn | sterna: i'm not an eye candy sorta dude either, but i do like something that looks nice. i'm also an artist and i sing, as well as being a computer geek |
| 09:28.00 | fredl | simonrvn, ever tried enlightenment? |
| 09:28.04 | sterna | well i like kde for its power |
| 09:28.44 | simonrvn | fredl: yes. i built it and made debs recently. |
| 09:29.16 | fredl | looks pretty good doesn't it? still a bit rought around the edges AFAIC. |
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| 09:29.43 | fredl | it's a pity it's taking so godawful long to get released. |
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| 09:30.13 | fredl | n/m that rasterman probably still has an axe to grind with redhat and vice versa or so I've understood. |
| 09:30.22 | simonrvn | yes it looks nice. it's more stable in svn (once you fix the build stuff in */debian/) than what you get at alphagemini.org |
| 09:31.08 | fredl | oh the e17 pkg is now actually in Sid I see... |
| 09:31.14 | simonrvn | recent builds seems to bloat my xserver for some reason though (older builds don't) |
| 09:31.24 | simonrvn | yeh, but pretty incomplete |
| 09:31.40 | fredl | oh okay well it's good to see that it's around the corner. |
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| 09:32.06 | fredl | back when I only had twm I was thoroughly impressed with E |
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| 09:32.27 | fredl | and when I ran the beta a few months ago I had that 'wow' moment once more. |
| 09:32.36 | AimHere | Oh, the good old days when twm was the only wm |
| 09:32.52 | AimHere | And when your primary X applications were xclock, xterm, and xeyes |
| 09:33.10 | simonrvn | same; still zippy, still pretty, though i wish there were more dark themes (that worked) |
| 09:33.37 | fredl | well more and more themes will come out in time. |
| 09:33.44 | Trewas | e17 is the windowmanager to use when playing duke nukem forever, I will be very much surprised if it will be ever released... it has been 8 years or something in development already |
| 09:33.54 | fredl | I will drop GNOME in a split second to be honest with you. |
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| 09:34.09 | fredl | Trewas, I know. |
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| 09:35.15 | fredl | but in 8 years a LOT of work can be done :) |
| 09:35.37 | fredl | and what you see in an E17 screenshot is really just the tip of the iceberg. |
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| 09:36.19 | Araneidae | I'm getting quite fond of fluxbox as a window manager, but I'm not sure whether it's going anywhere |
| 09:36.37 | Trewas | I tried it 5 years ago or so, it was quite nice looking but obviously completely unusable at the time |
| 09:36.41 | AimHere | Why does it need to go anywhere? |
| 09:36.54 | fredl | I used to run fluxbox/blackbox for a while when I had a system with little memory. |
| 09:36.59 | AimHere | Perfection is achieved when there's nothing more to take away |
| 09:37.01 | fredl | I liked it. |
| 09:37.16 | Trewas | and for the bling factor e17 is a bit late, now that there are compiz etc |
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| 09:37.57 | fredl | Trewas, e17 has been built from scratch, it uses AFAIK almost exclusively it's own libraries. |
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| 09:38.18 | Araneidae | Well, my problem with fluxbox is that there are some subtle problems, and I don't see how to fix them or get them fixed |
| 09:38.27 | simonrvn | it's the sort of "bling" i like, simple but nice. nothing fancy or overboard. |
| 09:38.47 | jon_kare | When my sid updated this morning, I discovered that I no longer had |
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| 09:38.54 | fredl | Trewas, that means to me that it's likely that all the libs are highly tuned to one another. |
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| 09:39.04 | simonrvn | fredl: mostly, but it has started using some external ones, but is very much keeping in with its own libs. |
| 09:39.06 | jon_kare | grub on my system. Has this happened to anybody else? |
| 09:39.18 | fredl | in fact that's one of the claims, that it's lightning fast and small. |
| 09:39.25 | jon_kare | (was easy to fix once noticed) |
| 09:39.34 | Trewas | fredl: and that's why it will never be complete, reinventing every wheel takes time :) |
| 09:39.37 | simonrvn | it is |
| 09:39.48 | fredl | and that's a good foundation where the other foundations are becoming patchy piles. |
| 09:40.12 | fredl | I mean what doesn't use GTK or QT anymore these days? |
| 09:40.55 | simonrvn | the gtk people have finally clued in to shrink the damned thing. after what, 5, 10 years? |
| 09:41.14 | fredl | Trewas, I think about that with a bit more nuance. I admire that the E dev team managed to come this far with all the gloating and saying it couldn't be done. |
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| 09:41.33 | simonrvn | fredl: quite |
| 09:42.07 | fredl | and to me persistance matters way more than wanting to go for the quick 'bling factor' |
| 09:42.19 | simonrvn | the svn is still active too. i bet if i ran an avn up in my copy it would get some new stuff |
| 09:42.25 | simonrvn | svn up* |
| 09:42.31 | fredl | so I'll definitely give E a chance :) |
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| 09:42.55 | fredl | simonrvn, I'm hand compiling just a few too many things lately, E will have to wait a little while :P |
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| 09:45.21 | fredl | I also liked wxWidgets BTW, I'm not sure how many graphical folks actually use it. |
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| 09:46.21 | fredl | it's quite a neat idea. |
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| 09:47.40 | simonrvn | most of the things have debian/ dirs, i just corrected the stuff that needed fixing so it would build and made .debs |
| 09:48.46 | simonrvn | had to convert one of the libraries debian/rules to dh7 but it builds nicely now. was getting symbols errors otherwise. |
| 09:49.15 | fredl | well I might give it a try when I get out of this crunch for time soon. |
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| 09:50.09 | fredl | but the pile of TODO's is only getting bigger. |
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| 09:50.46 | simonrvn | i'll upload the .debs somewhere, not my repo 'cause i didn't run the stuff through debuild but just did a basic fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 09:51.29 | fredl | I've been digging into the source code of kvm/qemu/libvirt to get a stable yet up-to-date virtual server environment going... |
| 09:51.39 | simonrvn | mm |
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| 09:52.24 | fredl | having E running on my 'desktopserver' would be kinda neat though I guess :) |
| 09:52.41 | simonrvn | (just remind me 'cause my todo is in my head ;p) |
| 09:53.03 | fredl | would look fancy on my 42" TV in my living room when I get visitors :P |
| 09:53.16 | simonrvn | fuck yeh |
| 09:53.39 | simonrvn | with one of those fancy backgrounds with some animated pic |
| 09:54.17 | fredl | hehe, well I'll get back to you for your debs perhaps or I might decide to just grab it from svn myself. |
| 09:54.37 | simonrvn | one of them has a scene, and the sun moves from sunrise to sunset and night |
| 09:54.39 | fredl | last weeks have been good for me to get into the hacking bit again. |
| 09:55.10 | fredl | oh that sounds cool. Haven't seen anything like that in the beta yet. |
| 09:55.51 | fredl | should get an animated fireplace as background as we don't have a fireplace in the house :P |
| 09:55.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:56.23 | simonrvn | probably not very hard to make one |
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| 09:56.41 | fredl | use gimp :P |
| 09:57.15 | simonrvn | yeh, and assemble it with edje |
| 09:59.30 | Araneidae | I get this message: "iwl3945: Could not read microcode: -2" Any suggestions? |
| 09:59.48 | liable | Araneidae: install the firmware |
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| 09:59.59 | liable | firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 10:00.04 | Araneidae | thanks |
| 10:00.16 | simonrvn | laterz |
| 10:00.22 | liable | bye bye |
| 10:00.33 | fredl | yup, same here, need food. |
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| 10:01.24 | Araneidae | No such package :( |
| 10:01.29 | liable | learn how to search |
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| 10:02.09 | liable | oh, actually, you probably need to add non-free to sources |
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| 10:02.56 | Araneidae | liable, you've got an odd habit: first you start with an offensive "you are an idiot" response; then you follow up with something helpful! |
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| 10:05.53 | liable | Araneidae: well, i find people often don't think, and just do shit parrot like, without explaining whether they have done anything other than the initial suggestion made to them. then I will often remember something that they may not neccesarily be expected to know, so i add that. |
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| 10:07.35 | liable | Araneidae: and telling you to learn how to search was perfectly relevant, if you had gone to packages.debian.org, you would have found out that it is indeed available, but in non-free |
| 10:08.38 | Araneidae | *eventually* |
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| 10:08.56 | Araneidae | I don't *need* help from this channel, but it does hugely help |
| 10:09.13 | Araneidae | I can spend hours and hours searching, or somebody who knows the answer can say so! |
| 10:09.41 | Araneidae | Your reference to the firmware package was very helpful, would have taken quite a while to find I suspect |
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| 10:09.46 | liable | whatever, i was just replying to your comment. not critizing you |
| 10:09.54 | Araneidae | ok |
| 10:10.16 | Araneidae | package duly installed ... let's see if wifi will play! |
| 10:10.26 | liable | reload the module |
| 10:11.18 | Araneidae | Argh: is there an easy way to do that? `modprobe -l` is loooong! |
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| 10:11.37 | liable | modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi |
| 10:11.37 | maniel | hi |
| 10:11.57 | maniel | where to ask when i have dpkg/apt related problems?:> |
| 10:12.02 | maniel | here?:) |
| 10:12.22 | jelly-home | maniel: if you're using Debian, yes |
| 10:12.41 | Araneidae | Huh: it's split into three: iwl3945, iwlcore, iwl4965. I'll reload them all |
| 10:13.08 | liable | ah right, i forgot. reload the relevant one to your chip |
| 10:13.42 | maniel | jelly-home: so if i'm using ubuntu i'm not welcome?:P there's no dpkg related channel and #ubuntu guys doesn't know how to fix my problem;-) |
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| 10:14.55 | Araneidae | Huh: I wish my home wifi password was easier to type! |
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| 10:18.39 | Araneidae | maniel, try pretending you're Debian and see how it goes |
| 10:18.46 | Araneidae | dpkg will be the same on both worlds |
| 10:18.46 | dpkg | Araneidae: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 10:18.47 | maniel | anyway, apt want's to upgrade packages built by me from deb-src repo by packages from binary repository |
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| 10:19.18 | maniel | but the packages' versions are the same |
| 10:19.32 | cahoot | maniel: you might wnat to read the Debian reference |
| 10:20.19 | Araneidae | Wifi works :D ! That was remarkably easy... |
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| 10:22.08 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I have two graphics cards in my box. I'd like to connect one to my monitor, the other to my TV, and somehow get output on both screens. Where do I start? |
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| 10:22.37 | jonaskoelker | google found me a forum post linking 404-wise to a howto, plus a guide for rewriting my XF86Config :) |
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| 10:23.14 | Araneidae | That's a bit elderly |
| 10:23.24 | Araneidae | /etc/X11/xorg.conf is what you have to hack now |
| 10:23.29 | jonaskoelker | I also found a great guide from 2002 |
| 10:23.30 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ |
| 10:23.43 | jonaskoelker | I'm suuuure nothing has been changed graphics-wise since then ~ |
| 10:23.59 | jonaskoelker | Araneidae: got some pointers? |
| 10:24.09 | FailPowah | how can i see what clock speed my server is (without rebooting and checking bios)? |
| 10:24.10 | Araneidae | Never run two graphics cards at once |
| 10:24.14 | jonaskoelker | I know it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf I need to hack, but I don't know how to hack it |
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| 10:24.29 | jonaskoelker | FailPowah: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:24.30 | Araneidae | dmesg should show you if it hasn't scrolled off |
| 10:24.38 | Araneidae | sounds better! |
| 10:24.43 | heraclitus_ | hi, i guess some already asked that, but i found no answer when googling all the forums and mail lists... |
| 10:24.54 | FailPowah | jonaskoelker, thanks, 2411 Mhz, found :D |
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| 10:25.11 | fhd | Hi. I've got a fresh Debian lenny setup and use the preinstalled seahorse to manage my gpg keyring. I've ticked the "Automatically receive keys from key servers" box in the preferences. GPG works, but when I read an email signed with a key which is not in my keyring yet, it's not imported. gpg.conf is empty for some reason. Ideas? |
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| 10:25.16 | jonaskoelker | FailPowah: note that if you run cpu frequency scaling, it might not run at the speed listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:25.32 | jonaskoelker | FailPowah: in Ubuntu there's this neat gnome panel app you can use... I don't know about debian |
| 10:25.45 | FailPowah | jonaskoelker, i belive i dont have enabled that up/down the cpu speed in bios what its now called |
| 10:25.48 | Araneidae | Here's an odd puzzle: my laptop beeps, loudly, and the volume control has no effect. Where can I control this horrible noise? |
| 10:26.06 | jonaskoelker | the off switch ;-) |
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| 10:26.10 | Araneidae | It's not beeping unexpectedly, it's just that the beep it makes is horrible |
| 10:26.16 | Araneidae | hum |
| 10:26.22 | jonaskoelker | maybe "xset b"? |
| 10:26.33 | FailPowah | jonaskoelker, i really hope i dont have enabled the cpu speed thing, would really blow for a server (i guess) |
| 10:26.55 | heraclitus_ | it is not something which makes it impossible to use debian of course, but it is a kind of, annoying, or then, inconvenient... |
| 10:26.59 | Araneidae | Doesn't respond to `xset b` or to the volume control |
| 10:27.12 | jonaskoelker | FailPowah: maybe---it could save a bunch of power, I don't know |
| 10:27.24 | cahoot | Araneidae: modprobe -r snd-pcsp and pcspkr |
| 10:27.29 | Araneidae | Lies: it response to `xset b off`. Thanks! |
| 10:27.36 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: did you ask a question? I didn't see any... |
| 10:27.59 | jonaskoelker | yw :) |
| 10:28.09 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, did i really forget to ask a question? |
| 10:28.11 | FailPowah | bah, leave your server running anonymously for a year on and off.. forget what stuff is in it >.< |
| 10:28.49 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: I saw you joining, then I saw "I've search forums/web", then "it's not like it's a horrible problem", but no description of what the problem is |
| 10:28.54 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: maybe I didn't look hard enough? |
| 10:29.14 | Araneidae | jonaskoelker, heraclitus_, I see the same |
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| 10:30.03 | FailPowah | jonaskoelker, anyways, thanks for the quick answer. |
| 10:30.12 | jonaskoelker | FailPowah: you're welcome :) |
| 10:30.30 | jonaskoelker | so, did anyone have any pointers for how to use two graphics cards? |
| 10:30.54 | cahoot | xorg finds both? |
| 10:31.02 | jonaskoelker | cahoot: how would I check? |
| 10:31.23 | cahoot | xrandr -q perhaps |
| 10:31.43 | heraclitus_ | ohh. it started after i updated the system a few days ago, it said "gdm: xserver not found" and didn't start gdm when booting... but then, gdm starts with startx, and works well... it just means that i always have to log in and write startx, when booting |
| 10:32.07 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: tried reinstalling gdm? |
| 10:32.17 | jonaskoelker | cahoot: it doesn't, apparently |
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| 10:32.42 | jonaskoelker | only one "VGA connected $RESOLUTION (normal left inverted right [...]) <physical dimensions> |
| 10:32.47 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, no, i reinstalled the xserver-common |
| 10:32.59 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: try reinstalling gdm |
| 10:33.08 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, ok |
| 10:33.20 | jonaskoelker | ... just on the off chance that it might work :) |
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| 10:39.04 | heraclitus_ | i reinstalled gdm and rebooted, but there is still the same error... |
| 10:40.45 | heraclitus_ | gdm: xserver not found, and still gdm starts and works fine with startx... |
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| 10:41.26 | jonaskoelker | try grep -r 'xserver not found' /etc/* |
| 10:41.35 | jonaskoelker | and see if you find any interesting shell scripts |
| 10:41.36 | cahoot | you're sure startx runs gdm? |
| 10:42.26 | heraclitus_ | yes, i just log in in text mode, type startx, and gdm starts |
| 10:42.36 | azeem | heraclitus_: gdm is the login screen |
| 10:42.40 | azeem | not the graphical desktop |
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| 10:42.45 | cahoot | not confusing gdm and X ? |
| 10:43.46 | heraclitus_ | cahoot, by gdm starts, i mean, the gnome desktop starts. *without* the login screen... |
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| 10:44.05 | jonaskoelker | that's not gdm then :) |
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| 10:44.24 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: which version of gdm? |
| 10:44.35 | heraclitus_ | well, then it must be gnome... |
| 10:45.06 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, must be the newest, i said i updated a few days ago |
| 10:45.19 | azeem | heraclitus_: what does "dpkg -l gdm | tail -1" say? |
| 10:45.24 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, in squeeze |
| 10:46.10 | Sephi-Chan | When i log via SSH using : ssh git@domain.net, the password is ask, so i fill it (good) but i have always "Permission denied, please try again.". Someone know why ? |
| 10:46.42 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it says ii gdm 2.20.9-1.1 GNOME Display Manager |
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| 10:49.00 | heraclitus_ | i forgot to remember what id said after "gdm: xserver not found", it said that it cannot execute some command, i always forget... |
| 10:49.41 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: it would be useful to know exactly what it says |
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| 10:49.47 | heraclitus_ | ok |
| 10:49.50 | jonaskoelker | that might give a hint :) |
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| 10:50.05 | Sephi-Chan | When i log via SSH using : ssh git@domain.net, the password is ask, so i fill it (good) but i have always "Permission denied, please try again.". Someone know why ? |
| 10:50.05 | jonaskoelker | at least who are initiated in the debian-brand of voodoo ;-) |
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| 10:52.04 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, unfortunately there are so many reasons possible |
| 10:52.11 | Sephi-Chan | fuck :x |
| 10:52.29 | Araneidae | The fact that you're being asked for a password means little more than that there's an sshd server there |
| 10:52.33 | Sephi-Chan | If i am with a user on the serveur and i type su - git |
| 10:52.38 | cahoot | Sephi-Chan: wrong permissions on ~/.ssh and/or the files in there? |
| 10:52.42 | Sephi-Chan | Then it work |
| 10:53.11 | Araneidae | I suppose password authentication must be enabled (otherwise it wouldn't prompt for a password) |
| 10:53.25 | Sephi-Chan | There is no .ssh in the ~/ of my user |
| 10:53.30 | Sephi-Chan | It's maybe the cause |
| 10:53.33 | Araneidae | Try ssh -v |
| 10:53.50 | Araneidae | or -vv or even (if you're bold) -vvv |
| 10:54.05 | Sephi-Chan | OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
| 10:54.17 | Araneidae | Unfortunately the server tends to keep its own counsel as to why it won't let you in |
| 10:54.20 | Sephi-Chan | Maybe i should generate a .ssh file for this user |
| 10:54.27 | Araneidae | No, -v not -V |
| 10:54.37 | Sephi-Chan | it is |
| 10:54.38 | Araneidae | Well, that would be a good start |
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| 10:54.51 | azeem | Sephi-Chan: then pastebin the whole output, not just the first line |
| 10:55.28 | Sephi-Chan | http://pastebin.com/d347b97b3 |
| 10:55.32 | Sephi-Chan | sorry |
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| 10:55.50 | azeem | that just means you made a typo |
| 10:55.55 | azeem | Sephi-Chan: what command line did you run? |
| 10:56.00 | Araneidae | Haha. You're supposed to try connecting *somewhere* ;) |
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| 10:56.35 | Araneidae | (don't forget to edit out the domain name if you're concerned) |
| 10:56.36 | Sephi-Chan | ssh git@domain.net -p xxxx |
| 10:57.05 | Sephi-Chan | there is the line i type to connect, it work well with another of y user |
| 10:57.15 | azeem | y user? |
| 10:57.19 | Sephi-Chan | my* |
| 10:57.27 | Araneidae | Ok, and put a -v in there |
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| 10:57.59 | heraclitus_ | it said exactly this: GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/ Error: Command could not be executed |
| 10:58.06 | Sephi-Chan | http://pastebin.com/d5e1724eb |
| 10:58.18 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: what does ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X say? |
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| 10:59.41 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, so your user's .ssh directory looks ok |
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| 10:59.52 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, in superuser mode it says: ls: cannot access /usr/X11R6/bin/X: No such file or directory |
| 10:59.54 | doomster | hi! |
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| 11:00.09 | azeem | there you go |
| 11:00.21 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: there we go---the program is missing :\ |
| 11:00.21 | Sephi-Chan | After typeing the password in verbose mode, i have : |
| 11:00.22 | Sephi-Chan | git@bugspirit.net's password: |
| 11:00.22 | Sephi-Chan | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
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| 11:00.42 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, are the permissions ok on the .ssh directory of the user you're logging in as? |
| 11:00.54 | azeem | heraclitus_: what does "dpkg -l xserver-xorg | tail -1" say? |
| 11:01.05 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: I see that the package `x11-common' comes up in an apt-file search usr/X11R6/bin. Maybe reinstall it? |
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| 11:01.06 | doomster | when does bash determine which program 'foo' will actually be called? I just derived a private ~/bin/foo from /bin/foo and it keeps on calling the latter... |
| 11:01.10 | Sephi-Chan | there is no .ssh file ^^' |
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| 11:01.18 | Sephi-Chan | i'm looking for a way to generate one |
| 11:01.20 | renton_ | hello when i login into GDM i got my gnome with metacity that is running, but i don't see the "decorators" of the windows, i need to open a terminal and run "$ metacity --replace" and, in this way the decorators of the windows begin to work correctly.. i'm on Debian squeeze, this happened after the updates of the last 15 days.. any idea? THank you |
| 11:01.23 | DeeTah | hi guys |
| 11:01.27 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, ok |
| 11:01.41 | DeeTah | im running a debootstrapped debian |
| 11:01.47 | DeeTah | and i've got a problem with my custom kernel |
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| 11:02.04 | Araneidae | Try this, on the target machine, as the target user: `mkdir ~/.ssh; chmod 700 ~/.ssh` |
| 11:02.05 | AgentNoel | Good evening, I am currently using ipmasq to build all my firewalls. I like the rc.d style of configuration files. It currently seems to have been unmaintained, does anyone have any other suggested iptables script systems? (I prefer using iptables rules than an abstraction layer). |
| 11:02.18 | DeeTah | it runs, it goes into init, but init spits out a lot of errors about the lack of permissions |
| 11:02.18 | jonaskoelker | doomster: it consults the $PATH variable |
| 11:02.18 | Araneidae | I'm surprised you'd need to do that, though. |
| 11:02.22 | heraclitus_ | jonaskoelker, then what is missing, i didn't change anything, only updated... i reinstalled xorg-common, didn't help, i should have xorg,.. |
| 11:02.27 | prolix_ | hmm |
| 11:02.31 | azeem | 13:00 < azeem> heraclitus_: what does "dpkg -l xserver-xorg | tail -1" say? |
| 11:02.36 | DeeTah | looks like the filesystem didn't get mounted read-write. it also doesn't seem to load any modules. |
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| 11:02.52 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: see azeem's question |
| 11:03.00 | doomster | jonaskoelker: no it doesn't, it seems. ~/bin is there on first place and has been for some time. Only ~/bin/foo wasn't there when the shell was started. |
| 11:03.12 | jonaskoelker | doomster: which shell? |
| 11:03.16 | doomster | bash |
| 11:03.24 | jonaskoelker | doomster: hmm... tried restarting bash? |
| 11:03.24 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it says ii xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4 the X.Org X server |
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| 11:03.33 | azeem | ok |
| 11:03.40 | Sephi-Chan | With my other user, it's work well and there is no .ssh file in this user home (cf. http://pastebin.com/d7da7588) |
| 11:03.47 | jonaskoelker | heraclitus_: I'm running version 1:7.3+18 without problems, maybe try that? |
| 11:03.50 | Araneidae | Yes. |
| 11:03.58 | doomster | jonaskoelker: that works, but I was wondering whether that is expected or rather a bug. |
| 11:04.00 | azeem | heraclitus_: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/X" say? |
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| 11:04.18 | jonaskoelker | doomster: well, I know it's expected behavior in zsh, but you can turn it off |
| 11:04.18 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, I guess we need to look at the server side more closely |
| 11:04.32 | jonaskoelker | doomster: or rather, turn on the thing whose absence is causing this |
| 11:04.36 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it says -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7080 2009-08-14 04:37 /usr/bin/X |
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| 11:04.39 | njk | am getting problems making deb file |
| 11:04.41 | njk | http://pastie.org/641155 |
| 11:04.43 | Sephi-Chan | Ok, what can i give you ? |
| 11:04.54 | azeem | heraclitus_: and what does "ls -l /usr/X11R6/" say? |
| 11:04.56 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, first of all, is password authentication enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 11:05.31 | prolix_ | where would i install wireless-tools if i had to do it manually? |
| 11:05.33 | Sephi-Chan | How ! I know ! |
| 11:05.35 | Araneidae | Secondly, Sephi-Chan, can you see anything helpful in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 11:05.36 | Sephi-Chan | I have a line : AllowUsers sephichan |
| 11:05.43 | Sephi-Chan | I have to add my git user ! |
| 11:05.45 | heraclitus_ | dpkg left, well, now the system cannot be maintained... |
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| 11:05.52 | doomster | jonaskoelker: I guess it's an optimisation, so that bash doesn't always read all directories on each command. export PATH="$PATH" does the job for me. ;) |
| 11:05.56 | Araneidae | No, that doesn't sound right |
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| 11:06.13 | jonaskoelker | doomster: and if you can make bash execute a command every n minutes... |
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| 11:06.37 | doomster | jonaskoelker: nah, I'm not installing stuff that often ;) |
| 11:06.42 | jonaskoelker | fair nuff |
| 11:06.53 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it says total 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-08-27 17:48 lib |
| 11:06.53 | njk | guys any advice? |
| 11:06.55 | jonaskoelker | anyways, I'm gonna' go work on my quantum information processing homework |
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| 11:07.08 | jonaskoelker | tc all, ttyl |
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| 11:07.11 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, yes, that's your problem! |
| 11:07.11 | DeeTah | my custom kernel for some reason doesn't probably mount / read-write. it runs init, but doesn't even load modules. any ideas how to debug it? |
| 11:07.14 | azeem | heraclitus_: did you install lenny, or upgraded from etch? |
| 11:07.32 | Araneidae | Sephi-Chan, because you've got AllowUsers set, you've got to add *all* your users to it. |
| 11:07.38 | Araneidae | Check sshd_config(5) |
| 11:07.46 | Sephi-Chan | Araneidae: yes ^^' |
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| 11:08.24 | Araneidae | I suggest, disabling password authentication and requiring ssh keys instead. |
| 11:08.38 | heraclitus_ | azeem, no, i use squeeze from the time it started, it means, i have testing, and it upgraded to squeeze, when squeeze started, and since that i use squeeze... |
| 11:08.51 | azeem | heraclitus_: I know |
| 11:08.56 | azeem | how did you install squeeze? |
| 11:09.08 | azeem | you upgraded from lenny |
| 11:09.13 | azeem | now the question is |
| 11:09.17 | azeem | how did you install lenny? |
| 11:09.40 | DeeTah | my custom kernel for some reason doesn't probably mount / read-write. it runs init, but doesn't even load modules. any ideas how to debug it? |
| 11:10.07 | azeem | DeeTah: does it have your root file system code compiled in? |
| 11:10.11 | azeem | or as a module? |
| 11:10.31 | Sephi-Chan | Araneidae: Thank for your help and sorry for my stupid mistake ;) |
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| 11:10.38 | DeeTah | azeem: compiled in, I guess it wouldn't even mount it read-only if it was a module. |
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| 11:10.50 | njk | why is dh_gencontrol giving problem http://pastie.org/641155? |
| 11:10.55 | heraclitus_ | azeem, i didn't install it, i had lenny, before that i had etch, and all the time it upgraded by itself, when the new testing started, and i installed etch with network install, several years ago... |
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| 11:11.07 | azeem | 13:07 < azeem> heraclitus_: did you install lenny, or upgraded from etch? |
| 11:11.11 | azeem | so why didn't you say that? |
| 11:11.19 | azeem | I asked whether you upgraded from etch |
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| 11:11.50 | DeeTah | sigh. |
| 11:11.51 | prolix_ | would anyone happen to know the kernel used in etchandhalf? |
| 11:11.53 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it upgraded from etch to lenny, and then from lenny to squeeze |
| 11:12.08 | DeeTah | what would I have to put into initrd apart from the modules to try it this way? |
| 11:12.58 | heraclitus_ | azeem, i didn't even notice when it upgraded, i just updated... |
| 11:13.13 | azeem | ok, ok |
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| 11:13.19 | azeem | you finally said what you did, we know now |
| 11:13.26 | azeem | heraclitus_: what does "grep -v ^# /etc/gdm/gdm.conf | grep -v ^$" return? |
| 11:13.44 | dustybin | what does: stdin: is not a tty |
| 11:13.45 | dustybin | mean? |
| 11:14.21 | azeem | dustybin: what command are you running? |
| 11:14.36 | dustybin | i am running rsnapshot in a cron, and that gets emailed to me |
| 11:14.39 | azeem | it means standard input is not wired to a terminal emulator |
| 11:14.42 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it returns a lot of stuff, what would you like to know? |
| 11:14.49 | azeem | heraclitus_: pastebin the output |
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| 11:15.22 | azeem | dustybin: probably rsnapshot does not like to be run from cron? |
| 11:15.29 | azeem | dustybin: is it a menu-driven application? |
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| 11:15.35 | dustybin | azeem: rsnapshot is designed to be run from a cron |
| 11:15.37 | tuantub | azeem: sed -e '/^#\|^$/d' /etc/gdm/gdm.conf does the work too :D |
| 11:15.39 | azeem | could be you're missing some option |
| 11:15.40 | dustybin | azeem: nope |
| 11:15.50 | dustybin | azeem: i think its something to do with a remote server it logs into |
| 11:15.55 | azeem | dustybin: so what command line are you running *exactly*=? |
| 11:16.11 | dustybin | on one of the servers, it has a big ascii message when you ssh in |
| 11:16.17 | dustybin | before the email was showing this message |
| 11:16.28 | dustybin | but i managed to quiet it with the ssh -q option |
| 11:16.48 | dustybin | however, it still says: stdin: is not a tty |
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| 11:18.01 | dustybin | the rsnapshot command looks like this: backup XXXX@XXXXX.org:/home/dustybin XXXXXXX.org/ ssh_args=-q -p10101 |
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| 11:18.20 | heraclitus_ | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/48098 |
| 11:18.41 | azeem | StandardXServer=/usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 11:18.51 | azeem | heraclitus_: these days, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is mostly empty |
| 11:19.03 | azeem | apparently you missed to update it at some point |
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| 11:20.08 | azeem | heraclitus_: did you do some manual changes to the gdm conf you would like to keep? |
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| 11:20.39 | azeem | otherwise, I suggest you purge the gdm package, make sure /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is gone and install it again |
| 11:21.13 | heraclitus_ | azeem, i never manually changed the gdm.conf, at least not by editing it, i don't know what else could change it... |
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| 11:21.59 | azeem | heraclitus_: the gdmsetup program |
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| 11:22.24 | heraclitus_ | i don't rememember that i have ever used it... |
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| 11:22.39 | heraclitus_ | azeem, how to purge a package? |
| 11:22.43 | shad0w | kalispera |
| 11:22.47 | azeem | dpkg -P gdm |
| 11:22.47 | dpkg | no idea, azeem |
| 11:22.49 | shad0w | hello |
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| 11:23.21 | heraclitus_ | ok |
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| 11:23.34 | henry-nicolas | Hi *; I got an issue with an hp printer (hplip) : it's only printing pink and black and I already did clean the cartridges, any idea why ? |
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| 11:24.17 | dustybin | azeem: i have removed the offending server from the list, and now i dont have that message emailed to me from cron |
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| 11:24.48 | dustybin | azeem: the offending server has a big ascii ssh message and also it takes about 10-15 seconds before it logs in |
| 11:24.59 | azeem | no idea, sorry |
| 11:25.04 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 11:25.31 | marcelo25 | alguna q hable español?????????????????? |
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| 11:26.09 | xand | !es |
| 11:26.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:26.34 | marcelo25 | alguna chica ?????? |
| 11:26.41 | xand | did you read that. |
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| 11:28.27 | azeem | !es |
| 11:28.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:28.37 | azeem | marcelo25: this is an english-only channel |
| 11:28.57 | marcelo25 | ok thank you |
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| 11:32.51 | Araneidae | Selected Suspend, and now I don't think I can get my session back |
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| 11:36.03 | Araneidae | How is Suspend / Resume *supposed* to work? I ended up rebooting, not quite the idea... |
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| 11:36.38 | azeem | Araneidae: what did you do? |
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| 11:37.14 | Araneidae | First selected System -> ShutDown -> Suspend and it seemed to go to sleep |
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| 11:37.26 | azeem | is this a notebook? |
| 11:37.32 | Araneidae | Then I clicked a few keys, nothing happened, so pressed the power button briefly |
| 11:37.43 | Araneidae | Yes, it's a Dell Latitude D620 |
| 11:37.52 | azeem | yes, it's a notebook? |
| 11:38.05 | superlinux | salaam. I want to type Arabic in the real console. I have installed and configured required pkgs and added a language changer key combination. but still I can't type Arabic. i used the kbd_mode -u to make it Unicode. |
| 11:38.10 | Araneidae | Well, it's a laptop; notebook, not so sure |
| 11:38.14 | azeem | ok |
| 11:38.21 | superlinux | salaam. I want to type Arabic in the real console. I have installed and configured required pkgs and added a language changer key combination. but still I can't type Arabic. i used the kbd_mode -u to make it Unicode. can someone help me here? |
| 11:38.29 | azeem | superlinux: you just said that |
| 11:38.41 | Araneidae | Let me try it again. Fresh boot, just logged in, System -> Shutdown -> Suspend |
| 11:38.54 | superlinux | i slipped on the Enter key. |
| 11:38.59 | superlinux | sorry |
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| 11:39.02 | azeem | np |
| 11:39.04 | dustybin | azeem: i have solved the problem by using the -T ssh option! |
| 11:39.06 | Araneidae | Ok, Seems to have turned everything off |
| 11:39.22 | azeem | Araneidae: totally off, or to suspend? |
| 11:39.26 | heraclitus_ | azeem, it works now fine, thanks a lot |
| 11:39.31 | azeem | heraclitus_: cheers |
| 11:39.31 | Araneidae | ignores keyboard, presume that's normal, the power light is blinking, so I guess this is "suspend" |
| 11:39.39 | azeem | ok |
| 11:39.41 | Araneidae | Now I'll tap the power button |
| 11:39.43 | heraclitus_ | :) |
| 11:39.44 | dustybin | -T |
| 11:39.44 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.49 | azeem | maybe wait a few more seconds |
| 11:40.03 | Araneidae | Disk activity ... and this time I get the screen saver password, so I guess it worked |
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| 11:40.10 | azeem | e.g. my thinkpad's power light blinks while suspending and is lit while suspended |
| 11:40.17 | azeem | Araneidae: good then |
| 11:40.25 | Araneidae | ah well. These bugs never reproduce themselves on demand |
| 11:40.42 | Araneidae | Well, my laptop took a little while for the power light to start blinking |
| 11:40.59 | Araneidae | Maybe I pressed On before it was quite finished. Let's try that again... |
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| 11:41.35 | Araneidae | Aha! Blank screen now |
| 11:41.50 | azeem | that means? |
| 11:41.54 | log69 | Araneidae: maybe try s2ram with different parameter switches and find out what can be the most reliable setting for you to put your comp to sleep |
| 11:41.55 | Araneidae | Power light is on, WiFi light is on, screen is dark |
| 11:42.05 | azeem | does moving the mouse pointer do something? |
| 11:42.08 | log69 | Araneidae: mine work like s2ram -f -s |
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| 11:42.55 | Araneidae | Rebooting, one moment, ... |
| 11:43.15 | Araneidae | Didn't think to try twiddling the mouse! |
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| 11:43.52 | Araneidae | Huh: no man page for s2ram |
| 11:44.17 | superlinux | are you discussing hibernation? |
| 11:44.17 | Araneidae | Nope, s2ram not installed |
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| 11:45.03 | Araneidae | Functionally I'm discussing what I would describe as suspend/sleep/hibernation, but I know that they differ in implementation |
| 11:45.05 | log69 | Araneidae: here is a good starting point http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram |
| 11:45.09 | thrashold | Does Debian use s2disk to suspend to disk by default? (I like the way my Debian laptop suspends, and I want to make my Gentoo box work this well) |
| 11:45.16 | Araneidae | At the moment I'm just using the built in desktop functionality |
| 11:45.38 | log69 | Araneidae: the built-in uses s2ram too i guess |
| 11:46.23 | Araneidae | Yes. Where does Gnome keep its menu definitions? I don't know what's bound to System -> ShutDown -> Suspend, which is what I was trying |
| 11:47.43 | Phlogi_ | is it possible to change the suexec doc root? this is my error in suexec log: command not in docroot |
| 11:48.20 | azeem | gnome uses gnome-power-manager to suspend AFAIK |
| 11:48.23 | azeem | which does it via HAL |
| 11:48.26 | azeem | or so |
| 11:48.43 | Araneidae | Ok. Any idea how that relates to s2ram and its relatives? |
| 11:49.00 | azeem | no |
| 11:49.08 | Araneidae | I get the impression I could be better of installing uswsusp and trying s2ram instead; is that right? |
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| 11:50.52 | Araneidae | Aha: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ "Why doesn't my video adaptor come back after a suspend? It just displays black" |
| 11:51.12 | Araneidae | Alas, the helpful link is 404 not found |
| 11:51.29 | superlinux | azeem, brother! will you help me? |
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| 11:51.46 | ribasushi | what is the debian de-facto standard for a wifi configurator? |
| 11:51.54 | ribasushi | something either with a gui or with an ncurses interface |
| 11:51.55 | azeem | superlinux: I don't know |
| 11:51.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 11:52.00 | azeem | about arabic fonts |
| 11:52.02 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 11:52.26 | azeem | ribasushi: the gnome desktop has network-manager as standard |
| 11:52.28 | azeem | dunno about KDE |
| 11:52.40 | JPT | somebody who might give a small comment on these lines: http://nopaste.info/2392e2d964_nl.html ? :) |
| 11:53.09 | JPT | the stuff with my cd-rom is pretty usual here, but the network device never failed before |
| 11:53.23 | superlinux | so how can i come back from hibernation? what should I do? |
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| 11:53.35 | maniel | re |
| 11:53.53 | dutchfish | JPT, is that a nic to a backend like iSCSII or somthing? |
| 11:53.58 | Araneidae | Hmm. It looks the the issue might be: "Video issues with S3 resume" in <linux-2.6>/Documentation/power/video.txt |
| 11:53.59 | ribasushi | azeem: no DM |
| 11:54.20 | ribasushi | something standalone, doesn't have to be X either |
| 11:54.22 | JPT | dutchfish: no... it's the dmesg of my personal homecomputer.. so nothing special there... |
| 11:54.26 | log69 | Araneidae: maybe install and try s2ram anyway, you might figure out whether your hardware is supported at all |
| 11:54.44 | dutchfish | JPT, might be a bug in the kernel module, or wrong load order |
| 11:54.49 | JPT | hmm.. |
| 11:54.58 | JPT | it occured about 3-4 hours after booting up |
| 11:55.09 | Araneidae | yeah, ok |
| 11:55.12 | JPT | and i don't load modules... i compiled them into the kernel |
| 11:55.17 | dutchfish | JPT, what kernel? |
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| 11:55.25 | JPT | Linux JPT 2.6.31jptv21 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 18 23:07:28 CEST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:55.51 | dutchfish | JPT, are you sur eit isnt 2.6.31.1 ? |
| 11:56.17 | JPT | very sure. i would need to upgrade my kernel compile skript in order to fetch 2.6.31.1 |
| 11:56.20 | Phlogi_ | anyone knows how to use phpmyadmin with a php fcgi environment? Atm apache does just send me the php file instead of executing it... |
| 11:56.23 | maniel | anybody knows why apt wants to upgrade packages built by me with packages from the same repo with the same version strings? |
| 11:56.25 | JPT | becaue they changed the page layou |
| 11:56.30 | maniel | why those are preffered? |
| 11:56.54 | dutchfish | JPT, i would try thta as a first step read git log for the fixes about HD/SD/X |
| 11:57.06 | JPT | okay. i'll do that :) |
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| 11:57.28 | JPT | well..i'm more concerned about my eth0-device.. |
| 11:57.41 | dutchfish | JPT, nic type? |
| 11:57.50 | JPT | err... nic? |
| 11:57.52 | dutchfish | JPT, by accident e1000(e) ? |
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| 11:58.31 | JPT | mh. you mean i'm using a wrong driver for the device?.. |
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| 11:58.49 | dutchfish | JPT, can you give me an lspci of your card? |
| 11:59.05 | JPT | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 22) |
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| 11:59.16 | Elive_user4_en | hey i need help choosing the right iso to download |
| 11:59.21 | Elive_user4_en | if you dont mind :) |
| 11:59.37 | JPT | Elive_user4_en: do you want 64bit or 32bit? what processor? |
| 11:59.44 | Elive_user4_en | 64 |
| 11:59.49 | dutchfish | JPT, mm... maybe http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fnext%2Flinux-next.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=marvel |
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| 12:00.05 | Elive_user4_en | my question is if i download debian-503-amd64-DVD-1.iso will have download the other 7 dvds? |
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| 12:00.32 | Elive_user4_en | see the idea is i just want a basic xfce desktop cd |
| 12:00.33 | dutchfish | JPT, there where some nasty bugs in 2.6.30 so strongly advise to 2.6.31.1 |
| 12:00.36 | JPT | Elive_user4_en: usually the first one should be enough... if you want, you can try a netinstall iso which downloads stuff on the fly :) |
| 12:00.38 | ribasushi | Elive_user4_en: if you have a solid internet connection - don't download anything |
| 12:00.43 | Araneidae | Hmm. `s2ram -n` recognises the laptop correctly and says: "Fixes: 0x88 VBE_POST VBE_MODE". I guess that sounds promising |
| 12:00.51 | ribasushi | Elive_user4_en: just download the net-installer iso (about 100m) |
| 12:00.52 | JPT | dutchfish: okay, i'll update this and check again. thanks :) |
| 12:00.59 | dutchfish | JPT, yw |
| 12:01.01 | Elive_user4_en | oh i see |
| 12:01.02 | ribasushi | Elive_user4_en: and debian will pull the rest of what's needed off the net |
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| 12:01.05 | Kasreyn | hi. i have a 64bit debian lenny install. installed wine and it says "cannot execute binary file". file /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin says "ELF 32-bit LSB executable". but the package installed is amd64. is there something wrong with my install? |
| 12:01.08 | Elive_user4_en | so i download only what i need |
| 12:01.18 | ribasushi | Elive_user4_en: that's the idea yes |
| 12:01.22 | Elive_user4_en | thanks heaps :) |
| 12:01.25 | Elive_user4_en | byeee |
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| 12:01.29 | ribasushi | Elive_user4_en: you need the media only when you have problems with the net access |
| 12:01.37 | Elive_user4_en | ahh yeah |
| 12:01.51 | JPT | Kasreyn: you might need some additional packages and/or kernel stuff in order to use 32bit binaries on a 64bit system...at least this is what i know |
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| 12:02.20 | Kasreyn | JPT: i have ia32-libs installed. only kernel remains |
| 12:02.25 | JPT | hm |
| 12:02.47 | JPT | well.. i never really tried that and succeeded so i cannot give good answers... |
| 12:02.49 | Kasreyn | custom compiled kernel. i might have missed something |
| 12:03.26 | superlinux | azeem, I have used s2both to hibernate. when i resumed X does not come back as it's supposed . what should be done? |
| 12:03.40 | JPT | Kasreyn: you mean like ELF-binary support in the kernel and similar binaries? |
| 12:04.06 | Araneidae | log69, I though s2ram was happy, `s2ram -n` seemed to say it was recognised ... but I still get a blank screen. |
| 12:04.29 | Kasreyn | JPT: i'm not sure what I mean |
| 12:04.34 | JPT | hmm |
| 12:04.45 | JPT | checks kernel menuconfig |
| 12:04.46 | Kasreyn | maybe there is 32bit support in kernel you have to enable |
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| 12:05.02 | Kasreyn | me too :) |
| 12:05.31 | log69 | Araneidae: did you check out these here? http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram#Useful_hints |
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| 12:06.21 | superlinux | who is here good in hibernation? |
| 12:06.28 | dutchfish | JPT, you could do a dif of your .config and a prestine one ;) |
| 12:06.33 | Kasreyn | JPT: CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION maybe :) |
| 12:06.52 | Kasreyn | "Include code to run 32-bit programs under a 64-bit kernel." |
| 12:06.52 | Araneidae | I've no idea what my graphics card is yet! |
| 12:07.04 | Kasreyn | facepalms |
| 12:07.04 | JPT | Kasreyn: "Executable file formats / Emulations" <-- there you can enable support for some binaries |
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| 12:07.09 | log69 | Araneidae: lspci can tell you |
| 12:07.11 | Araneidae | I'm digging through /usr/share/doc/uswsusp |
| 12:07.14 | Kasreyn | hehe thanks JPT :) |
| 12:07.16 | Araneidae | ah yes |
| 12:07.23 | JPT | lol..yeah :) |
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| 12:07.41 | Araneidae | nVidia something or other |
| 12:07.42 | Phlogi_ | I edited the phpmyadmin default apache configuration in /etc/phpmyadmin and added my FCGIWrapper script there... but still apache just sends out the php file... |
| 12:07.52 | azeem | superlinux: please ask the channel, not individuals |
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| 12:08.44 | superlinux | azeem, ok |
| 12:08.57 | log69 | Araneidae: and are you using the opensource driver for it (nv) or the closed one (nvidia) ? |
| 12:09.04 | Araneidae | This being a fresh install, does that mean I've probably got the open source nvidia driver? |
| 12:09.04 | superlinux | azeem, i asked you cos you were just discussing it |
| 12:09.08 | Araneidae | How do I tell? |
| 12:09.21 | log69 | Araneidae: the website says that suspend does not work with the open source one yet |
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| 12:09.43 | log69 | Araneidae: i guess xvinfo can tell you which one is being used by Xorg |
| 12:10.40 | Araneidae | I have nv installed, or to be precise, xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 12:10.42 | log69 | Araneidae: or you can check out in Xorg.log |
| 12:10.51 | Araneidae | Well, I searched the package! |
| 12:10.52 | log69 | Araneidae: so that's the problem |
| 12:11.11 | log69 | Araneidae: AFAIK suspend won't work with that |
| 12:11.20 | log69 | Araneidae: you have to install the nvidia driver |
| 12:11.25 | log69 | and then try suspend out |
| 12:11.26 | Araneidae | I think you're right, looking at http://en.opensuse.org/NVidia_Suspend_HOWTO |
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| 12:12.52 | Araneidae | Umm. A little hand holding here please, I don't want to get a non-starting xorg. How do I swap video drivers? |
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| 12:13.22 | Araneidae | I can just install nvidia-glx and uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nv, but I suspect that'll leave my machine broken |
| 12:13.30 | Phlogi_ | hmm nobody using phpmyadmin with apache2 + fcgi? |
| 12:13.42 | Phlogi_ | somehow the apache config is not parsed by apache |
| 12:14.50 | log69 | Araneidae: 1) download the right nvidia driver for your card (lspci tells you what version it is) 2) go to a TTY and becaome root, then stop X with /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 12:15.18 | log69 | Araneidae: 3) you have to have build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` packages installed too |
| 12:15.39 | log69 | Araneidae: 4) then you can run the nvidia installer by ./NVIDIA-....... |
| 12:15.56 | Araneidae | So the video driver I'm after won't be in the .pgk repostory? Alas. |
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| 12:16.39 | log69 | Araneidae: well, AFAIK the glx driver that is in the repo too is much slower then what Nvidia offers - but you can also try it first as you wish |
| 12:16.52 | log69 | Araneidae: if you don't use 3D and games, you might be better off with that |
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| 12:16.54 | log69 | first |
| 12:17.11 | Araneidae | Think I'd rather, as I'm only going to have this laptop for a fortnight, before handing it back to be reimaged back to RHEL |
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| 12:18.09 | Araneidae | Means there's a limit to the amount of effort that's worthwhile... |
| 12:18.26 | |Sleep| | Hello. Does anyone here know of a nice way of managing LDAP data from the terminal (i.e something more convenient than ldapmod-ing ldif files, perhaps a ncurses-based interface or the like)? |
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| 12:18.58 | log69 | Araneidae: yeah, try that one, hope it'll work |
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| 12:20.06 | Araneidae | How does the system know to choose between -nv and -glx? Guess I'm about to find out... |
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| 12:20.30 | log69 | Araneidae: your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file tells in the Driver section |
| 12:20.48 | log69 | Araneidae: Device section / Driver option |
| 12:21.09 | |Sleep| | ... (or maybe you'd know of a place where someone might know?) |
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| 12:21.29 | Araneidae | Well, all it's got is: Identifier "Configured Video Device" |
| 12:22.03 | Araneidae | Ouch, the gdm screen looks horrible, the fonts are all messed up |
| 12:22.04 | log69 | Araneidae: yes, that's the default one, but you can put an option in a new line that looks like Driver nv |
| 12:22.13 | log69 | Araneidae: or Driver nvidia |
| 12:22.22 | log69 | Araneidae: i don't know how the glx one is called |
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| 12:22.52 | log69 | Araneidae: the configured part means that it's automatically set - with that, it'll set the opensource nv driver |
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| 12:22.59 | Araneidae | Something is definitely not right, so I guess something has changed. |
| 12:23.10 | log69 | Araneidae: what do you mean? |
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| 12:23.50 | Araneidae | All the backgrounds that are supposed to be white are black, and the fonts are correspondingly messed up |
| 12:24.34 | Araneidae | The only thing I've changed is to install nvidia-glx and restart gdm |
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| 12:24.47 | Araneidae | I'll try a reboot first |
| 12:25.59 | Araneidae | Huh. And now it looks ok |
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| 12:27.39 | Araneidae | How can I tell which video driver is active? There's a lot of output from xvinfo, but I don't see any driver info |
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| 12:29.24 | cahoot | grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:31.29 | Araneidae | ta |
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| 12:33.16 | Phlogi_ | can I configure a fcgi handler in a .conf file? I've installed phpmyadmin on debian and apache just sends me the php file rather than executing it... so I added my handler settings to the phpmyadmin apache conf... but it does not help |
| 12:33.31 | sylar | does skype work on debian? |
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| 12:36.39 | Araneidae | Isn't there an aptitude command to automatically remove packages which were previously automatically installed? remove didn't do that |
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| 12:37.58 | AimHere | You could try running the output of deborphan through apttitude or apt-get |
| 12:38.23 | Araneidae | But but but... |
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| 12:38.27 | hoodlum | yo |
| 12:38.35 | Araneidae | I thought the whole point of running aptitude (rather than apt-get) was so that I can automatically get rid of unwanted packages |
| 12:38.42 | AimHere | Probably |
| 12:38.49 | AimHere | And there probably is |
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| 12:38.56 | hoodlum | if i want to back up my linux data to a ntfs partitioned removable hard disk, how do i go about it? |
| 12:39.04 | Araneidae | Good. But peering at `man aptitidue` is not telling me how! |
| 12:39.04 | JPT | Oo |
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| 12:39.34 | JPT | hoodlum: when you do this, you first need a ntfs-device you can write on. then you'll need to think about loosing all permissions and ownerships of the files |
| 12:39.36 | |Sleep| | sylar: yes |
| 12:39.42 | Araneidae | hoodlum, you'd probably be best using tar, as otherwise you'll lose *nix file flags &c. |
| 12:39.51 | hoodlum | hmmm |
| 12:40.10 | hoodlum | cause i have a shared folder in my home directory containing all my music etc, its on my file server |
| 12:40.15 | hoodlum | anyway my windows workstation accesses it |
| 12:40.19 | sylar | |Sleep|, do you know if it works with eesd? |
| 12:40.22 | hoodlum | and yeah i dont want to back up over the wireless network |
| 12:40.24 | sylar | esd |
| 12:40.46 | hoodlum | i just want to pimp my removable drive to the file server and pull the data across, but still have all the other files on the removable drive also |
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| 12:42.01 | Sajes | In which directories does debian look for .deb packages and the like? I'm setting a multi-distribution install server over http. |
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| 12:42.25 | azeem | Sajes: debian doesn't look for .deb packages |
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| 12:42.44 | azeem | I guess what you want to do is setup a repository mirror |
| 12:42.50 | |Sleep| | sylar: No idea. Basically they say they use libasound, I'm not sure how that relates to esd. |
| 12:43.24 | Sajes | azeem, Fine. If you want to take it literally, which directorys does apt look in? |
| 12:43.32 | |Sleep| | sylar: Anyway, downloading and trying should be easy. They have several packaged binaries. The ubuntu .deb might be ok with most debian configurations. |
| 12:43.34 | azeem | Sajes: look for what? |
| 12:43.34 | eepberries | how does the xserver work during the login screen? what user is the display attached to? |
| 12:43.50 | Sajes | azeem, ... packages. |
| 12:43.51 | azeem | Sajes: APT usually downloads .debs from a server |
| 12:44.04 | Sajes | azeem, I know this. |
| 12:44.10 | azeem | so what is your question? |
| 12:44.16 | azeem | where they are located on the server? |
| 12:44.21 | |Sleep| | Question (repost): Does anyone here know of a nice way of managing LDAP data from the terminal (i.e something more convenient than ldapmod-ing ldif files, perhaps a ncurses-based interface or the like)? |
| 12:44.25 | azeem | or where they are downloaded to on the local machine? |
| 12:44.41 | Sajes | azeem, No. Where should I put them on my server. |
| 12:44.42 | mesa_booger | eepberries: the display manager runs as root, usually |
| 12:44.46 | azeem | Sajes: 14:42 < azeem> I guess what you want to do is setup a repository mirror |
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| 12:45.12 | eepberries | mesa_booger: so if i wanted to use xrandr before being logged in graphically, how would i do that? |
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| 12:45.32 | Sajes | azeem, I'll keep googling, nevermind. |
| 12:46.13 | azeem | Sajes: debmirror is the recommended tool for that these days I think |
| 12:46.27 | mesa_booger | eepberries: good question. is it gdm (gnome) or kdm (kde) or just plain old xdm ? |
| 12:46.27 | eepberries | the resolution on the login menu is set incorrectly i believe and i want to try changing it |
| 12:46.49 | Sajes | azeem, That's not what I want to do. |
| 12:46.50 | eepberries | i think it's kdm by default for some reason. i don't really know why though |
| 12:46.54 | Phlogi_ | damn apache is annoying |
| 12:47.07 | eepberries | i use both kde and gnome though |
| 12:48.00 | azeem | Sajes: it's not very clear what you want to do, sorry |
| 12:48.37 | Sajes | azeem, I made it clear: Set up an install server. So I can install multiple distributions. |
| 12:48.48 | azeem | right |
| 12:48.50 | Sajes | On different machines than the one that the install server is on, if you still don't get it. |
| 12:49.01 | azeem | except "install server" isn't really well defined |
| 12:49.19 | Sajes | Are you kidding? |
| 12:49.21 | azeem | no |
| 12:49.57 | mesa_booger | eepberries: lemme see if i can dig up my old kdm config from backup |
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| 12:52.08 | themill | Sajes: do you mean this sort of thing? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 12:53.27 | Sajes | themill, nope. I don't want to netboot. I want, instead of fetching anything from the internet, to fetch it from my local http server. I have a minimal debian usb stick to install debian on my eee with. |
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| 12:53.55 | mesa_booger | eepberries: you can set the dpi to 96 by adding -dpi 96 to ServerArgsLocal in kdmrc |
| 12:54.07 | quitte | Sajes: you want a local mirror? |
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| 12:54.22 | themill | Sajes: so you want to make a local repository? You need to create it first (/msg dpkg own repo ; /msg dpkg debmirror) and then tell apt to use it (/msg dpkg sources.list) |
| 12:54.30 | azeem | 14:46 < Sajes> azeem, That's not what I want to do. |
| 12:54.43 | Sajes | azeem, That's NOT what I want to do. |
| 12:54.50 | azeem | I know :) |
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| 12:55.04 | mesa_booger | eepberries: which iinm is in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 12:55.19 | eepberries | hang on |
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| 12:56.50 | mesa_booger | eepberries: you will have to restart kdm. log out of the desktop, and ctrl-alt-f1 to a console login. login as root, and /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 12:56.57 | quitte | Sajes: apt does not support installing from a remote location without copying the packages first, yet |
| 12:56.57 | eepberries | okay |
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| 12:57.01 | osmos | the command 'history -c' only clear the command history of the current konsole. when i close and reopen a new konsole, the commands are still there. it was not like this before. what's happening? |
| 12:57.15 | sylar | |Sleep|, they also have lenny debs now, so it should be smooth |
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| 12:57.27 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:58.02 | superlinux | does enlightenment's website open with you? |
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| 13:01.38 | osmos | how to clear all command history for the whole session? |
| 13:02.22 | Phlogi_ | anyone ever got phpmyadmin working? |
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| 13:03.52 | themill | Phlogi_: of course, many people. "aptitude install phpmyadmin ; dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" is all that is necessary to set it up. |
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| 13:05.53 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 13:06.13 | quitte | or you could configure it right after installation? |
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| 13:07.12 | themill | quitte: of course... but you'd need to tell debconf to show you low-priority questions. |
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| 13:16.16 | Phlogi_ | themill: seems to work now, however I still get the php file as data when I just acceess localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 13:16.37 | Phlogi_ | or phpmyadmin/ |
| 13:16.44 | Phlogi_ | it works with index.php however |
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| 13:17.38 | themill | Phlogi_: that will be your browser making life hard. /msg dpkg php wants me to download still |
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| 13:18.53 | WormFood | DCC SEND "debian.iso" 0 0 0 |
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| 13:19.19 | liable | WormFood: wtf? |
| 13:19.28 | RichiH | liable: gone, already |
| 13:20.00 | liable | RichiH: im not sure if he was joking, he is actually a fairly regular nick here |
| 13:20.10 | Phlogi_ | hmm weird |
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| 13:20.34 | liable | it wouldn't surprise me, but.. |
| 13:21.50 | liable | oh well, he can complain through the regular channels :) |
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| 13:24.34 | petemc | good riddance |
| 13:25.26 | RichiH | liable: well, in that case i just returned the joke and we all had a great laugh ;) |
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| 13:25.34 | prolix | would it be considered rude or impolite to not type in this channel? |
| 13:25.41 | liable | RichiH: hah :) |
| 13:25.48 | RichiH | prolix: if you mean if you can idle in here: sure |
| 13:25.57 | prolix | RichiH: thank you |
| 13:26.01 | liable | prolix: 800 others do the same! |
| 13:26.09 | cahoot | just resting |
| 13:26.13 | RichiH | liable: but seriously, if he really meant that as a 'joke' he has an email address in his kline message |
| 13:26.19 | liable | i'm not dead! |
| 13:26.24 | RichiH | prolix: no need to thank me or anyone else :) |
| 13:26.28 | liable | RichiH: yep |
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| 13:27.10 | prolix | RichiH: it's the polite thing to do |
| 13:27.24 | liable | this is irc.. |
| 13:27.27 | prolix | to me, anyway |
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| 13:29.06 | petemc | whats to get with transmission? |
| 13:29.17 | petemc | ewrongchan |
| 13:29.27 | gullstein | Anyone that can help me with raid and initrd? |
| 13:29.53 | liable | wonders if petemc is in #std's |
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| 13:30.03 | petemc | :) |
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| 13:30.49 | vlt_ | Hello. Is there an easier way to clone an LVM volume from one machine to another than dd? |
| 13:32.30 | RichiH | prolix: quite true. i just want to make sure you know it's not _needed_ for something as generic as the above. while it always pays to be nice & fair to the other chatters, you will find that, especially in high volume channels and/or if people have known each other for a long time, the social glue of thanks and please tends to be treated as overhea and thus cut out of general chat |
| 13:32.47 | RichiH | which is not an excuse to act like an ass, obviously |
| 13:33.02 | RichiH | but i am sure you will find the balance you, and others, are comfy with :) |
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| 13:33.36 | fabzor3 | hello, i am on debian 5.03 and im trying to compile my video drivers |
| 13:33.46 | RichiH | prolix: also, another point, irc tends to harbour a few misanthropes and being too nice marks you as a target for their abuse. so by telling you when sayhing thanks is not needed, i guess i am trying to somewhat protect you |
| 13:33.54 | fabzor3 | i get the error that i have the wrong version of gcc |
| 13:34.00 | RichiH | also, i am talking a lot more about this topic than makes sense :p |
| 13:34.00 | fabzor3 | i think it wants 4.2 |
| 13:34.06 | fabzor3 | but i have a newer version |
| 13:34.10 | liable | hehe |
| 13:34.27 | fabzor3 | is there a way to install the older version or perhaps some precompiled drivers? |
| 13:34.50 | prolix | RichiH: duly noted. i still feel compelled to thank you, but i'll heed your advice |
| 13:35.02 | RichiH | :) |
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| 13:35.24 | liable | you two might have to get a room if this goes any further! ;) |
| 13:35.40 | RichiH | we call them channels around here ;) |
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| 13:35.47 | liable | touche |
| 13:35.53 | willemb | Greetings |
| 13:36.19 | willemb | i have jumped through all the hoops I could find, still cannot see flash content in iceweasel |
| 13:36.23 | willemb | can someone please help |
| 13:36.25 | willemb | ? |
| 13:36.47 | willemb | I am using dreamlinux 3.5 gnome edition. I think it is lenny-ish |
| 13:36.48 | prolix | is confused |
| 13:36.58 | liable | willemb: not much to do, install flashplugin, go to youtube |
| 13:37.12 | willemb | yeah, that is what I thought |
| 13:37.34 | chellomere | !dreamlinux |
| 13:37.36 | dpkg | [dreamlinux] a Brazilian live CD based on Debian, <Knoppix> and <Morphix>. User forum is at http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/forum.html. #dreamlinux on irc.freenode.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 13:37.37 | themill | willemb: you're likely to do better in #dreamlinux |
| 13:37.48 | liable | willemb: you'll have to get advice from the paople that use that distro, not debianfolk |
| 13:38.02 | willemb | except, I installed flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 13:38.07 | willemb | hang on |
| 13:38.09 | willemb | youtube works |
| 13:38.33 | willemb | so hence, flash obviously works |
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| 13:38.41 | willemb | I've been trying to get to diablo3.com |
| 13:38.44 | fabzor3 | i need gcc 4.1 but i have gcc 4.3 so i need to somehow get gcc4.1 on lenny 5.03 |
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| 13:39.08 | willemb | why on earth would flash work for youtube, but not for diablo? |
| 13:39.26 | liable | you would have to ask the flash and diablo people |
| 13:39.27 | fabzor3 | because diablo are using some supid obscure flash fealture |
| 13:39.31 | rgr | I need to fix a video issue on a remote pc, but when I ssh into it and run nvidia-settings (x forwarding) its coming up with the video config of my local machine and not the remote one. Any ideas? |
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| 13:39.54 | doomster | that's obviously a google conspiracy, youtube is owned by google. |
| 13:41.11 | themill | fabzor3: aptitude install gcc-4.1 |
| 13:42.09 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to use a background image in the framebuffer? |
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| 13:43.10 | willemb | o well, at least flash works in opera |
| 13:43.22 | willemb | guess I will have to check out diablo3 on opera, then |
| 13:43.23 | willemb | thanks |
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| 13:43.50 | fabzor3 | themill: THANK YOU! |
| 13:43.59 | themill | fabzor3: no worries :) |
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| 13:49.45 | gullstein | I have some problems with my raid. Seams the initrd ir rejecting the raid. I get a error saying /dev/md0 level=1 is not a valid name for a md device. Have no idea what this is. |
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| 13:50.02 | gullstein | This is on squeeze |
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| 13:50.54 | fabzor3 | sorry i have to bug you with more noop questions again |
| 13:51.25 | fabzor3 | now the compilers saying that i need to put cc (gcc) in my path |
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| 13:52.18 | doomster | 'cc' or 'gcc' is the compiler, who's saying what? |
| 13:52.35 | fabzor3 | the nvidia driver compiller program, the shell installer |
| 13:52.45 | fabzor3 | cos im trying to get my geforce going |
| 13:53.13 | doomster | try export CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 13:53.29 | fabzor3 | thanks will do |
| 13:53.52 | doomster | if that doesn't work, try alias cc=gcc-4.1 |
| 13:54.06 | themill | !nvidia compiler fix |
| 13:54.06 | dpkg | To solve the nvidia installer complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc But use the Debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks>, or try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 and use your regular compiler (that might work...) |
| 13:54.24 | fabzor3 | awesome you fixed the error! |
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| 13:54.29 | fabzor3 | now a new error :) |
| 13:54.32 | themill | (but just use the debian packages instead) |
| 13:54.33 | doomster | hehe |
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| 13:54.54 | fabzor3 | oh yeah that would make way more sense |
| 13:54.58 | fabzor3 | theres a deb for this?! |
| 13:55.00 | doomster | the path hackery was exactly what I was going to suggest as third alternative... |
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| 13:56.16 | fabzor3 | do you think the deb file will support the gtx 295? |
| 13:56.28 | SQlvpapir | !why nvidia installer sucks |
| 13:56.28 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 13:57.23 | fabzor3 | aye aye thanks for the tip! |
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| 14:01.13 | salvin | how can i set the framebuffer vga in grub2? |
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| 14:02.15 | xyan | salvin: take a look at /etc/default/grub |
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| 14:03.17 | fabzor3 | does the console work in 1920x1080? |
| 14:03.19 | fabzor3 | huhuh |
| 14:03.25 | fabzor3 | srsly that would be awesome |
| 14:03.36 | xyan | depends on the framebuffer |
| 14:03.56 | xyan | try hwinfo --frame-buffer and see if it is listed as a vesa mode |
| 14:04.03 | salvin | xyan, GRUB_GFXMODE? |
| 14:04.14 | xyan | salvin: no pass it with the LINUX_CMDLINE stuff |
| 14:04.27 | xyan | gfxmode is just grubs resolution itself |
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| 14:05.04 | salvin | xyan, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="vga=773" ? |
| 14:05.20 | xyan | salvin: update-grub2 and see if it worked :) |
| 14:06.54 | salvin | xyan, ok it's works |
| 14:06.58 | SQlvpapir | xyan, its framebuffer in a single word w/ hwinfo |
| 14:07.18 | salvin | but with grub1 was better... |
| 14:07.32 | xyan | SQlvpapir: right, sorry |
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| 14:07.45 | xyan | salvin: thats true, thanks to grub2's powerful scripting like syntax |
| 14:08.00 | xyan | better make things complicated if things could work the easy way |
| 14:09.18 | lucky- | how i can kill all visudo? |
| 14:09.25 | lucky- | killall visudo not works |
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| 14:10.20 | asg | lucky-: kill the editor that it spawned |
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| 14:10.32 | lucky- | how? |
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| 14:11.39 | asg | lucky-: pstree will show you what visudo spawned |
| 14:12.54 | lucky- | pstree commannd not found |
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| 14:13.18 | xyan | lucky-: ps fax |
| 14:13.22 | luke1704 | hi, does anybody know how to switch off time-notices during lenny start-up? |
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| 14:14.27 | lucky- | luke1704, i should kill thta pid? |
| 14:14.28 | lucky- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.53 | pim_ | Hello if I were to use the netinstall, and then do sudo apt-get x and sudo apt-get fluxbox |
| 14:14.55 | xyan | luke1704: recompile without CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME, im not aware of a commandline option to supress that behaviour |
| 14:15.01 | pim_ | will I have a working graphical environment then? |
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| 14:15.26 | xyan | pim_: apt-get install <pkg> |
| 14:15.39 | xyan | pim_: theres no x package though |
| 14:15.39 | luke1704 | xyan, thx! Unfortunately, I am not aware of recompiling without CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME |
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| 14:16.29 | pim_ | ah well x-window-system-core then |
| 14:17.00 | xyan | xorg rather |
| 14:17.10 | luke1704 | lucky-, I didn't get your statement |
| 14:17.20 | lucky- | ? |
| 14:17.32 | luke1704 | i should kill that pid? |
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| 14:18.14 | xyan | luke1704: try appending printk.time=0 to your kernel line |
| 14:18.44 | luke1704 | cool, thanks a lot! |
| 14:18.45 | lucky- | the pid id of the editor i would kill is 2067 |
| 14:18.45 | lucky- | then what is the correct syntax? kill 2967 |
| 14:18.45 | lucky- | ? |
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| 14:19.05 | pim_ | xyan I am looking at this http://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox |
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| 14:19.12 | luke1704 | kill 2067 |
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| 14:20.13 | xyan | pim_: yes thats ok, just follow the guide and if things should fail come back and ask your specific questions |
| 14:20.19 | lucky- | ok works: another question: how to change user group name? |
| 14:20.30 | lucky- | or remove and reassign user to a group |
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| 14:20.54 | xyan | lucky-: man usermod / man groupmod |
| 14:21.05 | pim_ | ok thanks xyan |
| 14:21.09 | lucky- | really tx |
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| 14:29.13 | lvh | hi! |
| 14:29.25 | lvh | I'm having problems with bluetooth on my thinkpad x301 after a recent reinstall |
| 14:29.35 | lvh | (worked fine before the reinstall, so I know it ought to work) |
| 14:29.48 | lvh | for some reason I can not convince my box the bluetooth device exists |
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| 14:30.02 | lvh | lsusb doesn't show it, btscanner says there's no devices |
| 14:30.19 | lvh | dmesg | grep Bluetooth shows the bluetooth subsystem being loaded correctly |
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| 14:31.25 | lvh | oh, christ |
| 14:31.43 | lvh | why does this always happen... I spend three hours looking, ask for help, 10 seconds later *boom* found the answer |
| 14:31.55 | luke1704 | ;-) |
| 14:32.08 | xyan | lvh: let us take part :O |
| 14:32.17 | lvh | (for posterity: Fn+F5, the combination to enable bluetooth, doesn't work on 2.6.30 kernels' thinkpad-acpi module) |
| 14:32.40 | SQlvpapir | it can be made to work, check out #ibmthinkpad |
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| 14:33.23 | dutchfish | lvh, i believe this is solved in upcoming 2.6.31-rc2 |
| 14:33.31 | lvh | SQlvpapir: yeah, I was sort of not expecting these kinds of silly regressions in vanilla kernels though |
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| 14:33.42 | lvh | surely the folks who write thinkpad-acpi actually have thinkpads |
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| 14:34.02 | valdyn | lvh: you should expect them |
| 14:34.34 | lvh | valdyn: i prefer to spend my life not worrying that every tiny feature I use might not magically break :-p |
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| 14:35.42 | dutchfish | lvh, its either that or go stable only on hardware that you cherrypick |
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| 14:36.38 | SQlvpapir | a lot of debian devs have thinkpads afaik :) at least a lot of posts on the planet points in that direction |
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| 14:37.25 | alys | I intend to buy a new computer with an AMD Phenom 4 chip. Please, will I be able to install AMD64 Debian on it without problems. I shall stick to core-duo if I cannot. Thanks |
| 14:37.26 | dutchfish | SQlvpapir, i dont want to be to restictive, but yes |
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| 14:38.04 | SQlvpapir | alys, the old core duo is not 64bit capable afaik. |
| 14:38.09 | SQlvpapir | you need a core *2* duo for that |
| 14:38.41 | alys | Thanks. Does that include a Phenom. Sorry, I know little about the AMD chips |
| 14:38.51 | lvh | alys: some of them |
| 14:39.22 | lvh | alys: all phenoms are amd64 |
| 14:39.23 | alys | I can see that I shall have to be very careful when I order a computer. |
| 14:39.32 | lvh | alys: all of them will work fine |
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| 14:39.41 | alys | lvh: thanks for the good advice. |
| 14:39.49 | lvh | alys: the only difference between them is that there's X2's and X4's |
| 14:39.55 | lvh | alys: both will work fine, that's just 2 vs 4 cores |
| 14:40.02 | alys | and what should I get, do you think? |
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| 14:40.46 | lvh | alys: pretty much all consumer hardware right now is fine |
| 14:40.49 | alys | I'm using a lowly Pentium 3 at the moment - it works fine with debian, of course. I'm looking forward to something I can use with a large screen and the like.. |
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| 14:41.13 | alys | Thank you for all the help - I can go ahead now and order what I like. |
| 14:41.32 | lvh | alys: also I hear ATI is not made out of evil bastards anymore |
| 14:41.44 | kr1s-- | Hi, i update my debian squeeze today. I update also my nvida card drivers. Now gnoma is very slow, unusable. Any ideas what the problem is? |
| 14:41.58 | alys | So I can use an ATI sound chip - good. |
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| 14:42.03 | SQlvpapir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.06 | lvh | alys: wait what |
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| 14:42.17 | lvh | alys: ATI makes graphics cards |
| 14:42.36 | alys | I beg your pardon - I'm blushing! :( |
| 14:42.53 | lvh | alys: best soundcard still == RME Hammerfall HDSP MADI |
| 14:42.56 | alys | I realize that they are graphics cards. |
| 14:43.06 | lvh | alys: but im reasonably sure that's about 20x too big and expesnive for almost everyone's needs |
| 14:43.08 | alys | That's good advice - I shall remember that. |
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| 14:43.22 | lvh | alys: err |
| 14:43.50 | lvh | alys: we have parties close to a kiloperson and one RME Hammerfall feeds all of it |
| 14:44.30 | alys | Then what will feed a Quad sound system without too much hassle? |
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| 14:44.46 | lvh | alys: anything |
| 14:44.50 | lvh | alys: sound isn't hard |
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| 14:45.07 | alys | Yes - I am using the onboard sound chip.... |
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| 14:45.33 | redspike | hi all, i have a BIG problem, XFS seems to be about 3min slower them ext3 when dd a 6G file. anyone know what can be the problem? |
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| 14:45.46 | lvh | alys: hardware is good enough when it does what you want |
| 14:45.57 | lvh | redspike: how many other processes are contesting the resource |
| 14:46.01 | lvh | redspike: also, src? dst? |
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| 14:46.27 | redspike | lvh: its only my test |
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| 14:46.41 | lvh | redspike: how do you know that |
| 14:46.53 | lvh | redspike: what other filesystems are mounted on that volume |
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| 14:47.18 | redspike | lvh: a new disk with 2 partitions ext3 and xfs iam only using for test |
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| 14:47.42 | lvh | redspike: Are both mounted at the same time? |
| 14:47.42 | redspike | lvh: its a lvm volume with only xfs |
| 14:47.52 | redspike | lvh: then a have another lvh volume with ext3 |
| 14:48.01 | redspike | lvh: yes |
| 14:48.04 | alys | lvh: Thank you for all the help - I feel better about ordering now, although I really should learn to 'roll my own' and get exactly what I want. |
| 14:48.14 | lvh | alys: no |
| 14:48.21 | alys | Why? |
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| 14:48.44 | lvh | alys: accepting that there are a bunch of folks out there that know a lot more about almost every subject you will ever encounter is a good thing |
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| 14:49.25 | alys | Good advice.... |
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| 14:49.46 | lvh | alys: your brain is limited, fill it with useful things |
| 14:50.29 | alys | lvh: I have recently retired from teaching - so I have time to do a lot of things I never could do in the past.... |
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| 14:51.15 | alys | I'm learning python - I never learned a programming language before. |
| 14:51.41 | lvh | alys: yeah, I noticed. I'm in #python too, remember? ;-) |
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| 14:53.14 | alys | lvh: I didn't realize - I'm getting along fine - but slower than I thought I would. |
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| 14:53.37 | lvh | alys: programming is hard |
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| 14:53.56 | alys | I'll get there - I've promised myself.... |
| 14:54.45 | pim_ | lvh programming is not hard, but it's like maths |
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| 14:54.56 | lvh | pim_: i strongly disagree |
| 14:55.06 | lvh | pim_: writing code is easy, writing useful programs that don't suck is hard |
| 14:55.10 | pim_ | yes |
| 14:55.29 | lvh | (I define 'programming' to be the latter) |
| 14:55.37 | alys | My first degree is in Math but I haven't found it too useful in programming. |
| 14:55.51 | pim_ | learning it works the same way |
| 14:56.00 | pim_ | and it is very helpful if you have a teacher |
| 14:56.19 | alys | There I must agree with you. |
| 14:56.22 | pim_ | I'll brb |
| 14:57.07 | valdyn | alys: you didn't do discrete mathematics? |
| 14:57.07 | lvh | pim_: I'm doing civil engineering, with tardloads of math, and although math has proven useful for the theoretical bits, I don't feel it's taught me very much in terms of actually writing code |
| 14:57.16 | lvh | pim_: (And I write numerical algorithms every day) |
| 14:57.25 | rgr | trying to set up wammu : how do I know what device name my phone is? (usb plug) |
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| 14:58.05 | acemi | lsusb -v |
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| 14:58.13 | asg | rhodan: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 14:58.24 | asg | rgr ^^^^ |
| 14:58.31 | asg | rhodan: my mistake |
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| 14:59.17 | alys | valdwyn: I remember doing boolean logic - that helps |
| 14:59.55 | alys | I suppose that should be 'symbolic logic' - but we called it 'boolean algebra'. |
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| 15:00.10 | valdyn | alys: its boolean algebra |
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| 15:01.59 | rgr | asg: maybe I'm blind but what would it be called? I cant see any /dev type lines in that |
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| 15:02.10 | rgr | failing that how do I specifiy the "usb port" its on? |
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| 15:04.30 | valdyn | rgr: phones have modes they operate in |
| 15:04.43 | rgr | yes I know. |
| 15:05.06 | rgr | My question is to know which device represents my phone or which usb port for the wammu setup |
| 15:05.38 | alys | It's tea-time here. You cannot miss tea in the UK - it would be uncivilised! ;-) |
| 15:05.47 | alys | Bye - and thanks for the advice |
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| 15:07.46 | rgr | groan. |
| 15:08.50 | asg | rgr: dmesg should show you the device once you plug in the phone |
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| 15:09.59 | rgr | it just says "address 12" |
| 15:10.11 | rgr | and wammu says tty12 does not exist |
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| 15:10.45 | valdyn | rgr: ls /dev/tty* |
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| 15:12.08 | rgr | I did. Does this also mean that the phone is not on y fixed address? So I have to reconfigure each time? Or can I mount the tty to the same device via fstab? |
| 15:12.48 | valdyn | rgr: this is useless to discuss right now |
| 15:12.58 | rgr | it is? |
| 15:13.01 | valdyn | rgr: yes |
| 15:13.19 | valdyn | rgr: it may theoretically be nonstatic but in your setup static |
| 15:13.19 | rgr | YOu have lost me. How is trying to get a linux program to talk to my usb device "useless"? |
| 15:13.42 | rgr | I see. Well, wammu seems to not want to talk to it. |
| 15:13.56 | valdyn | rgr: "it" being the correct serial port? |
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| 15:14.18 | valdyn | rgr: tty12 is *not* the correct port |
| 15:14.46 | rgr | one would hope so. Maybe the phone is playing up. I'll restart it. I think I have the tty according to dmesg but Wammu says nothing is responding. |
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| 15:16.42 | rgr | but it should definitely by tty* and not usbdev*? There are a bunch of usbdev files in /dev too. |
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| 15:17.13 | valdyn | rgr: serial ports start with tty |
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| 15:18.02 | rgr | according to lsusb its now device 13 (tty13 I guess from that) but doesnt respond. Oh well. |
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| 15:18.07 | valdyn | rgr: and tty1 - ttyN ( where N is a number ) is virtual serial ports |
| 15:18.25 | valdyn | rgr: tty13 is *not* your phone |
| 15:18.42 | rgr | and yet lsusb and dmesg say it is. |
| 15:18.53 | rgr | or is tty13 NOT "device 13"? |
| 15:19.01 | valdyn | rgr: guess not |
| 15:19.18 | rgr | well, you seem quite admamant tty13 is not my phone, so how do I find out which it is? |
| 15:19.18 | valdyn | rgr: there may be a reason why i asked you for ls /dev/tty* |
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| 15:20.19 | rgr | a bunch of ttys all of the form tty[1-65] or so. Can you not just tell me what I should be looking for? |
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| 15:20.39 | valdyn | rgr: something that is not part of tty[1-65] |
| 15:21.32 | afrodoc | hi i am having a problem with my ssh-agent, i get the following error message |
| 15:21.33 | afrodoc | ssh-add .ssh/dongKey |
| 15:21.33 | afrodoc | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 15:21.33 | afrodoc | this thread is a similar problem |
| 15:21.33 | afrodoc | http://www.linux-archive.org/gentoo-user/70541-ssh-add-could-not-open-connection-your-authentication-agent.html |
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| 15:24.06 | afrodoc | sorry i got kicked (i guess i posted too much at once) |
| 15:24.06 | afrodoc | hi i am having a problem with my ssh-agent, i get the following error message |
| 15:24.11 | adb | !tell afrodoc -about paste |
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| 15:24.44 | afrodoc | thanks |
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| 15:25.36 | afrodoc | > ssh-add .ssh/dongKey |
| 15:25.36 | afrodoc | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 15:26.00 | afrodoc | i followed this thread http://www.linux-archive.org/gentoo-user/70541-ssh-add-could-not-open-connection-your-authentication-agent.html |
| 15:26.11 | afrodoc | looks simlar to the problem i have |
| 15:26.16 | afrodoc | but there is no answer |
| 15:26.52 | afrodoc | i dont understand exactly how gnome is handling the ssh-agent, i was hoping someone could shed some light on this |
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| 15:33.17 | valdyn | afrodoc: gnome does not interfer with this |
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| 15:34.02 | valdyn | afrodoc: is you ssh agent running? |
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| 15:35.23 | afrodoc | http://pastebin.com/f27288ff0 |
| 15:36.11 | afrodoc | yes |
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| 15:36.17 | valdyn | afrodoc: your problem is that SSH_AUTH_SOCK is not set |
| 15:36.50 | afrodoc | http://pastebin.com/f621b7fde |
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| 15:37.01 | afrodoc | i am running screen |
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| 15:37.39 | afrodoc | mmm |
| 15:37.47 | afrodoc | i closed out all my screen sesions |
| 15:37.58 | afrodoc | and opened back up a new terminal and now it works |
| 15:38.14 | valdyn | afrodoc: yea, thats what i would expect |
| 15:38.15 | fabzor3 | im still struggling with glx drivers :( |
| 15:38.21 | afrodoc | could it possibly because my screens are lasting across multiple gnome-logins |
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| 15:38.30 | afrodoc | and the ssh-agent is running on the gnome-session |
| 15:38.31 | valdyn | afrodoc: screen cant "inherit" the environment after its already being started |
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| 15:38.41 | valdyn | afrodoc: exactly |
| 15:38.47 | afrodoc | i got |
| 15:38.50 | afrodoc | tahnks a ton! |
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| 15:38.58 | netstak | can somebody help me? http://pastebin.com/d20719c68 |
| 15:39.09 | afrodoc | this has been bugging me for a long time and it wasnt consistant enough to be obvious |
| 15:39.32 | afrodoc | thanks again valdyn |
| 15:39.32 | afrodoc | by |
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| 15:40.19 | valdyn | judd: versions libc-bin |
| 15:40.19 | judd | valdyn: libc-bin -- squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-27 |
| 15:40.28 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:40.29 | judd | valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-27 |
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| 15:40.49 | valdyn | netstak: you have squeeze packages |
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| 15:41.01 | valdyn | netstak: and lenny packages |
| 15:41.11 | valdyn | netstak: both without dependencies installed |
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| 15:42.10 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common |
| 15:42.10 | judd | valdyn: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 lenny-security: 2.6.26-17lenny2 |
| 15:42.55 | envstat | I have some problems with libc6 |
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| 15:45.36 | envstat | http://pastebin.com/m38b8824c |
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| 15:48.55 | valdyn | envstat: paste the output of "apt-cache policy locales" |
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| 15:50.17 | envstat | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m1a2a83b3 |
| 15:50.54 | valdyn | envstat: you have squeeze libc6 and only lenny packages available |
| 15:51.01 | valdyn | envstat: thats broken |
| 15:51.15 | envstat | :o |
| 15:52.26 | valdyn | envstat: downgrade your system manually or upgrade the system to squeeze completely or reinstall |
| 15:52.27 | envstat | then, I need to unupdate it? |
| 15:52.33 | envstat | donwgrade* |
| 15:52.40 | envstat | okok |
| 15:52.46 | envstat | thank you valdyn |
| 15:52.51 | valdyn | envstat: downgrading may be very difficult |
| 15:53.20 | lucky-_ | I try to develop an iptables rules script: but when i try to restore, i get error on that line: # Wipe the tables clean |
| 15:53.20 | lucky-_ | iptables -F |
| 15:53.21 | envstat | but if i want to update i need libc6? |
| 15:53.23 | lucky-_ | why? |
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| 15:56.06 | tuxG | hi |
| 15:56.09 | soc | faidon liambotis online? |
| 15:57.04 | tuxG | ? |
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| 15:57.30 | soc | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511036 |
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| 15:58.13 | envstat | I'm updating to squeeze valdyn, thanks for your help |
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| 16:00.20 | tuxG | I can't help you on this I m a newbie |
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| 16:05.10 | Bombo | hi |
| 16:05.52 | soc | ah k |
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| 16:08.28 | Bombo | i got one hd and one cdrom, everytime my cdrom is plugged in (atapi) i get lots of timeouts in the syslog and the system freezes completely for 30-60 seconds or even more i cant do anything but then after a while it works again (for a while) this happens after i upgraded from etch to lenny, he probably has the same problem at least symtoms: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=463410 any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 16:10.53 | nothing_ | hi |
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| 16:13.02 | nothing_ | I'm trying to install Lenny on a Intel DG45FC, with Raid 0+1 ( ICH10R ). I add 'dmraid=true' to the line at startup of installation but ... installer see only one hard disk : sdd |
| 16:13.08 | nothing_ | an no raid10 |
| 16:13.15 | nothing_ | so, what should I do ? :) |
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| 16:14.25 | Sergio`_ | nothing_: I did mirroring in the RAID BIOS, not sure if that helps. |
| 16:15.18 | Sergio`_ | And Lenny sees only one disk. |
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| 16:15.22 | nothing_ | yep, I setup raid10 on bios too |
| 16:15.33 | nothing_ | not raid1 (mirorring) |
| 16:15.41 | Sergio`_ | Ah, okay. |
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| 16:16.21 | nothing_ | it's strange, raid 1+0 ... I think lenny see only one disk (raid 1) not raid0 |
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| 16:18.38 | nothing_ | Sergio`: you have ICH10R motherboard too ? |
| 16:18.54 | Sergio` | I'm not sure. |
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| 16:20.01 | nothing_ | hmm damn |
| 16:20.06 | Sergio` | The motherboard is RS485M-M, the RAID I don't know. |
| 16:20.06 | nothing_ | so, I'll gonna try mailing list |
| 16:20.41 | Sergio` | I think it Sil(something). |
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| 16:20.48 | Sergio` | *it's |
| 16:21.10 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:22.01 | fabzor3 | hi |
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| 16:28.59 | fabzor3 | OMG why is glx so impossibly hard on debian?!?! |
| 16:29.15 | lvh | dpkg: ops: caca0 link spam |
| 16:29.16 | dpkg | lvh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 16:29.17 | fabzor3 | is half past 3 in the morning still no love! |
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| 16:31.13 | lvh | dpkg: ops caca0 link spam |
| 16:31.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: lvh complains about: caca0 link spam |
| 16:31.25 | lvh | Ooh. |
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| 16:32.23 | Araneidae | What does the dpkg response mean, lvh? |
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| 16:32.49 | lvh | Araneidae: I misused the 'ops' command. |
| 16:32.56 | Araneidae | huh |
| 16:33.01 | Araneidae | still seemed to work, though |
| 16:33.10 | lvh | Araneidae: I said 'ops' works fine, 'ops:' does not. |
| 16:33.15 | lvh | Araneidae: Which oe are you talking about |
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| 16:33.59 | fabzor3 | i am not a bump of honey |
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| 16:34.16 | Araneidae | oe? |
| 16:34.45 | Araneidae | Woo: my suspend/resume seems to work! :D |
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| 16:35.18 | lvh | Araneidae: s/oe/one/ |
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| 16:36.08 | Araneidae | Oh, you said "dpkg: ops caca0 link spam" and dpkg replied with a long list of names ... or maybe that was in response to a /msg ? |
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| 16:36.26 | lvh | Araneidae: Yes, that's what it does. |
| 16:36.30 | skeeto | Is there a policy on DRM in packages? |
| 16:36.32 | lvh | Araneidae: Those names are #debian ops. |
| 16:36.40 | Araneidae | ah |
| 16:36.43 | chellomere | doesn't it also msg each of the ops? |
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| 16:36.45 | lvh | dpkg: tell skeeto about dfsg |
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| 16:37.01 | lvh | chellomere: if you pm dpkg at least, yes -- not sure what happens otherwise |
| 16:38.07 | skeeto | i know the dfsg, but it doesn't say anything about DRM |
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| 16:40.13 | skeeto | What I am talking about in particular are bittorrent clients like Azureus/Vuze and rottrent/libtorrent. These basically have a broadcast flag mechanism built into them. |
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| 16:41.22 | jelly-home | skeeto: can it be disabled? |
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| 16:41.38 | skeeto | only by modifying and recompiling the program from source |
| 16:42.03 | AimHere | Debian package managers do that anyways |
| 16:42.04 | skeeto | its the "private flag". when a torrent has it enabled, these clients cripple themselves. |
| 16:42.26 | jelly-home | skeeto: do you have a reference? |
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| 16:43.41 | AimHere | It doesn't sound much like DRM |
| 16:43.51 | jelly-home | skeeto: it seems to me it's a feature that a tracker may or may not enable |
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| 16:44.45 | skeeto | jelly-home: this discusses it on azureus: http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/SecureTorrents |
| 16:45.25 | skeeto | its not the tracker that enforces it, though, but the client that intentionally reduces its features against the user's choice. |
| 16:45.29 | AimHere | I don't see a problem |
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| 16:46.08 | AimHere | Or at least, not a huge problem |
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| 16:46.37 | skeeto | its exactly like the broadcast flag: if the broadcast has the flag turned on then the device disables functionality |
| 16:47.16 | AimHere | Except that the crippled functionality is under the control of the user |
| 16:47.24 | skeeto | its completely not in the user's interest, but is giving someone else control of the user's machine |
| 16:47.48 | AimHere | The worst case scenario is that Debian makes the flag optional and puts it in the config screen for all to see and twiddle with |
| 16:47.49 | skeeto | its only under control of the user if they modify the software and recompile |
| 16:47.54 | jelly-home | skeeto: I'd say you have to complain to the torrent's owner/distributor. |
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| 16:48.09 | chellomere | skeeto, this thread details why trackers might want to disable DHT/PEX: http://mullemeck.serveftp.org/jps_beta/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36423 |
| 16:48.45 | Trewas | skeeto: I don't think gpl has anything against such feature and breaking debian packages by not respecting the private flag would not help anyone |
| 16:49.04 | jelly-home | what's gpl have to do with it? |
| 16:49.40 | skeeto | chellomere: I understand why, but I think it's not fitting the spirit of Debian's principles to distribute software that cripples itself like this. |
| 16:49.40 | Trewas | well, he started with dfsg and I should have said that instead of gpl :) |
| 16:50.12 | Trewas | skeeto: torrent-client that respects private flag only means that the user can use private torrent sites without getting banned, I am not sure how that is bad |
| 16:50.15 | chellomere | skeeto, I think you may want to file bugs against the relevant pieces of software. |
| 16:50.16 | AimHere | I'm boggling at the idea that DHT requires compliant bittorrent clients |
| 16:50.26 | Araneidae | Think you're misreading the GPL if you think a flag like that is against the GPL. The whole point is you can remove the flag if you want to. |
| 16:50.44 | AimHere | Given that there are many of them, that a lot of them are open source, and that many of them are even written in nice friendly languages like python |
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| 16:52.33 | skeeto | if the private torrents don't want the user to use DHT, they can ask the user to turn off DHT. however, I run into torrents with the private flag set on public trackers all the time. it's a nuisance and an insult. |
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| 16:53.19 | AimHere | It might be a nuisance, but it's not an impingement on your freedom |
| 16:53.57 | AimHere | Any more than needing a password to login to your sshd server is |
| 16:54.01 | AimHere | *someone else's |
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| 16:54.15 | Trewas | skeeto: you using a torrent client which does not respect private flag would not help, some of the legitimate users of those trackers would have to use them too |
| 16:54.24 | skeeto | AimHere: it is because the software intentionally prohibits me from doing what I want to do, and no for technical reasons |
| 16:54.46 | AimHere | skeeto, go twiddle the source code. |
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| 16:55.14 | AimHere | If the licence stopped you doing that, or if the software was binary only, you might have a point |
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| 16:55.29 | skeeto | AimHere: yes, i understand I can modify the source My argument as that it's against debians principles to distribute it as is like this. |
| 16:55.54 | skeeto | Trewas: That's true but it doesn't make this not DRM. |
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| 16:56.02 | Trewas | skeeto: debian distributes evil things like ssh-servers which does not let everyone in by default |
| 16:56.17 | chellomere | skeeto, you said yourself that it does not violate the dfsg. which principles are you talking about? |
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| 16:56.27 | AimHere | There's two issues. One is the existence of private bittorrent trackers, which is absolutely fine |
| 16:56.37 | skeeto | Trewas: we aren't talking about me wanting access to someone else's machine. we are talking about software that limits access to my own machine by me. |
| 16:56.46 | AimHere | The other is the crippledness of the client, which might have some issues with the spirit, not the letter, of the dfsh |
| 16:56.59 | AimHere | *dfsg |
| 16:57.17 | skeeto | chellomere: the dfsg is about user freedom. this feature is about the opposite: taking about user freedom. |
| 16:57.26 | skeeto | taking away* |
| 16:57.44 | JPT | is there any hope for rescueing data which was erased by mv somefile existingfile ? |
| 16:58.05 | catsup | yes |
| 16:58.08 | Trewas | skeeto: private flag in a torrent file does not stop anyone from using it, it only means that the client will not publish the details via DHT (so that the tracker can control who get acccess to that torrent), so in no way does private flag stop you from using your own machine |
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| 16:58.23 | JPT | catsup: tell me more. i just did that to about 1407 files ;) |
| 16:58.32 | catsup | assuming you have unmounted the filesystem immediately after the damage |
| 16:58.37 | jelly-home | Trewas: or the torrent |
| 16:58.40 | chellomere | skeeto, no. the dfsg talks about another kind of freedom than that 'freedom' this takes away. the dfsg is mostly about the license. |
| 16:58.52 | skeeto | Trewas: it prevents me from publishing the details on DHT. |
| 16:58.55 | catsup | actually the only damage done would be to the directories linking to the files |
| 16:59.02 | JPT | hmm |
| 16:59.06 | catsup | the content of the files wouldn't be overwritten |
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| 16:59.11 | catsup | by rename |
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| 16:59.29 | jelly-home | skeeto: that's a feature of the protocol/client, isn't it? |
| 16:59.32 | JPT | okay.. |
| 16:59.35 | catsup | so, use standard techniques for recovering from unlink |
| 16:59.40 | Araneidae | But as catsup says, unmount that volume as soon as possible! |
| 16:59.40 | Trewas | skeeto: warez still takes some effort even if it is free in monetary sense, tough :) |
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| 16:59.57 | Araneidae | How *do* you recover from unlink? Never tried to do it |
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| 17:00.07 | catsup | Trewas: usually less than paying though |
| 17:00.19 | skeeto | jelly-home: its not part of the BitTorrent protocol, no. it's as much f a feature as honoring the broadcast flag in a digital video recorder. |
| 17:00.19 | AimHere | Maybe skeeto is downloading debian lenny from a private tracker |
| 17:00.21 | jelly-home | Araneidae: usually you restore from backups |
| 17:00.27 | Araneidae | yah |
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| 17:00.37 | Araneidae | and indeed so |
| 17:00.48 | JPT | what's the command that tells what process is accessing files? |
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| 17:00.54 | Araneidae | lsof |
| 17:00.55 | catsup | JPT: why do you need to recover 1407 files? |
| 17:00.59 | jelly-home | JPT: lsof or fuser |
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| 17:01.24 | catsup | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-recover-deleted-files-with-lsof-command.html |
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| 17:02.05 | hid3nax | Good evening everyone. Is there any way to get 'online hours' parameter from a SCSI drive's S.M.A.R.T. 'smartmontools' works great for IDE HDDs but it displays only temperature and power on count for my SCSI drive... |
| 17:02.17 | JPT | okay, volume is unmounted |
| 17:02.21 | Araneidae | hahaha: yes, if another process still has it open, you're still in business! |
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| 17:02.31 | catsup | not anymore |
| 17:02.33 | catsup | he unmounted it :p |
| 17:02.50 | catsup | JPT: you can't really expect to magically get those files back |
| 17:02.51 | JPT | catsup: i need to recover these files because my script was not finished :-D |
| 17:02.57 | skeeto | so, to finish up, the answer to my question is that it's ok for software in Debian to have DRM since the DFSG doesn't prohibit it? |
| 17:03.01 | Araneidae | I doubt he had a process haning onto his 1407 files |
| 17:03.19 | catsup | JPT: the easiest thing to do is grep the filesystem for some of the data you need |
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| 17:03.37 | AimHere | I reckon, it's okay, as long as the DRM is under the user's control. |
| 17:03.43 | JPT | mhh... so i cannot expect useful tools that might help me with this?:) |
| 17:03.57 | catsup | AimHere: DRM is never under the user's control, that's what DRM means |
| 17:04.02 | skeeto | AimHere: hwat do you mean by "under user control"? that the source is available for modificatiin? |
| 17:04.06 | catsup | JPT: there are probably some tools out there |
| 17:04.17 | JPT | okay... let's start some research.. |
| 17:04.18 | zleap | catsup, i was just thinking something similar |
| 17:04.36 | AimHere | catsup, well quite. But it's possible to have exactly the same code used for DRM, but with the user having access to the appropriate keys |
| 17:04.38 | JPT | i would prefer a complicated process of restoring the date than to get these files again |
| 17:04.44 | AimHere | Or at least almost exactly the same code |
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| 17:05.11 | catsup | AimHere: that's not DRM, that's just encryption |
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| 17:05.34 | AimHere | catsup, A machine that says 'I won't run any binaries signed by ScumCorp ltd' is unfree DRM. A machine with a textbox saying 'Click to allow unsigned binaries to be run' is almost the same thing, but it's not as hostile |
| 17:05.35 | catsup | what makes it DRM is that the user doesn't have the encryption key, but rather a remote-controlled black box holds the keys |
| 17:05.49 | AimHere | catsup, exactly |
| 17:05.52 | catsup | it's not "almost the same thing" at all |
| 17:06.04 | AimHere | catsup, it's not the program, it's who has the control over the program |
| 17:06.24 | catsup | you cuold argue that that is almost the same thing as "trusted computing" |
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| 17:06.50 | catsup | however you cannot argue that it is almost the same thing as "digital rights management", which means the ability to enforce copyright against the user |
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| 17:07.35 | catsup | [i think basically you are just confusing TC and DRM] |
| 17:08.33 | AimHere | Well TC is just DRM attached to a hardware device, no? |
| 17:09.05 | catsup | no |
| 17:09.10 | jelly-home | skeeto: there is other free software with drm features in Debian, like Okular (KDE pdf reader) |
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| 17:09.16 | catsup | DRM is an application of TC |
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| 17:09.53 | catsup | strictly speaking DRM requires TC in order to be truly secure, however, generally speaking DRM does not involve TC at all |
| 17:10.20 | AimHere | So the answer is, to all intents and purposes, DRM isn't an application of TC |
| 17:10.37 | catsup | of the applications of TC, DRM is the #1 |
| 17:10.43 | JPT | is there a special channel or website that deals with restoring data with ext3grep? |
| 17:10.56 | catsup | or anyway |
| 17:11.07 | catsup | DRM and remote surveillance are tied for #1 |
| 17:11.22 | AimHere | Strange, catsup. Wikipedia defines TC specifically as certain types of hardware 'protection' devised by some folks called the Trusted Computing group |
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| 17:11.45 | catsup | AimHere: yeah that's the TC i'm talking about |
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| 17:12.00 | catsup | aka palladium, etc. they keep changing the name because they want to keep it a secret what they are trying to do |
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| 17:12.17 | AimHere | Well, catsup, DRM isn't a subset or application of TC |
| 17:12.18 | catsup | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html |
| 17:12.29 | catsup | yes, DRM is a very important application of TC |
| 17:12.54 | AimHere | No, it isn't. It's the generic term for access control technologies. |
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| 17:13.23 | catsup | :\ |
| 17:13.25 | acu | how can I delete cached package files from debian |
| 17:13.40 | heihaier | acu: $ sudo apt-get clean |
| 17:13.42 | catsup | acu: apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean depending on how much you want to delete |
| 17:14.03 | catsup | AimHere: well, i know very well what the terms mean |
| 17:14.05 | AimHere | Is that' the right way? I just rmmed /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 17:14.07 | AimHere | No you don't |
| 17:14.17 | valdyn | AimHere: thats ok |
| 17:14.43 | skeeto | jelly-home: Okular can be told to ignore copy-prevention flags at runtime. Torrent cannot. |
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| 17:14.56 | skeeto | the torrent clients* |
| 17:15.58 | skeeto | jelly-home: this was brought up on the Debian mailing lists: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg273034.html |
| 17:15.58 | acu | thanks to heihaier and catsup I have 19 pachages not fully installed - I do not know which are those - I just tried to install some fonts but everything it is screwed |
| 17:16.15 | catsup | it's not my fault you have packages not fully installed |
| 17:16.16 | catsup | :p |
| 17:16.25 | valdyn | acu: the first error is the first one you need to fix |
| 17:16.29 | jelly-home | skeeto: I bet Debian will accept your patches. |
| 17:16.41 | catsup | apt-get -f install |
| 17:16.49 | jelly-home | skeeto: as long as you make it tunable! :-> |
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| 17:19.03 | skeeto | jelly-home: that's what I was looking to do, once I figure out how to get the thing to build from source. I came here to see what the opinion was on it. |
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| 17:19.36 | valdyn | acu: run "aptitude -f install", fix occuring errors or if you cant, paste the whole output |
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| 17:20.24 | Trewas | skeeto: I hope that debian maintainers of those packages are not stupid enough to accept such patches, but of course you are free to try |
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| 17:21.29 | skeeto | Trewas: stupid enough to accept packages that disable DRM? I'm glad you're not in charge. |
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| 17:22.15 | ircDon | Has anyone see some font weirdness from xterm lately? I am using faceName/faceSize DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Book/11 but an 80 char wide display is a different width in xterm than in emacs with freetype support. |
| 17:22.36 | catsup | that okular discussion is disturbing |
| 17:22.37 | Trewas | skeeto: stupid enough to provide torrent clients that will get users of private trackers kicked out and don't help anyone else, I am not sure where do you think the benefit is... |
| 17:22.51 | valdyn | catsup: the "wontfix" ? |
| 17:23.02 | catsup | yes and the discussion surrounding that |
| 17:23.13 | valdyn | I agree |
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| 17:23.24 | valdyn | but im not involved with debian |
| 17:23.36 | valdyn | drm needs to be off by default however |
| 17:23.40 | AimHere | The thing about not respecting the bittorrent protocol is that the other client makers tend to notice what's going on and generally start banning your client |
| 17:23.42 | skeeto | Trewas: the benefit is that users get to choose what they do with their computers, not someone else. that's the *entire point* of free software. |
| 17:23.53 | SIMBIN_Studios | Hello. Has anybody had a sucessful install within the last decade with the AMD64 weekly or daily builds? |
| 17:24.09 | SIMBIN_Studios | Not ia64. |
| 17:24.09 | ircDon | AMD64 is working great for me. |
| 17:24.14 | AimHere | Well why not do it with your computer, and see what happens |
| 17:24.18 | SIMBIN_Studios | when did you download it? |
| 17:24.21 | skeeto | AimHere: this is not part of the BitTorrent protocol. someone made it up. |
| 17:24.31 | ircDon | The install - middle of Sept. |
| 17:24.44 | SIMBIN_Studios | Business card, net-install, or full? |
| 17:24.47 | catsup | bittorrent clients will only ban clients that send bad data or don't send data |
| 17:24.52 | ircDon | I have been keeping up to date on sid since then - no problems. |
| 17:25.00 | ircDon | USB install. |
| 17:25.03 | catsup | only a fool would use a bittorrent client that threw out perfectly good data |
| 17:25.24 | ircDon | Base only - then updated sources.list with sid and ran full-upgrade |
| 17:25.30 | AimHere | Yes, but so what? Bitcomet got blacklisted for EXACTLY what you're proposing |
| 17:25.43 | SIMBIN_Studios | hmm.. Thanks ircDon! Is there a way I can leave feedback for the support within this channel? |
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| 17:25.59 | catsup | blacklisted? what? |
| 17:26.07 | ircDon | I don't think so - it isn't really support. |
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| 17:26.28 | SIMBIN_Studios | oh ok. I'm so used to anti-virus support for Windows PCs heh. |
| 17:26.39 | AimHere | catsup> http://www.slyck.com/story1021.html |
| 17:26.40 | skeeto | AimHere: yes, but there would be no way for trackers to distignuish between the vanilla client and the debian-fixed client. Also, debian has an obligation to user freedom. |
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| 17:27.03 | AimHere | What specifically, in the DFSG, is Debian not respecting? |
| 17:27.09 | catsup | AimHere: private trackers typically ban all kinds of clients, but not for the reason you suggest |
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| 17:27.22 | skeeto | catsup: BitComet decided to ignore the DRM and private trackers banned it. thats why everyone is afraid to ignore it. |
| 17:27.25 | AimHere | catsup, But these ones DID, for exactly the reason I suggest |
| 17:27.47 | catsup | well ok |
| 17:28.13 | skeeto | i don't think that's a good reason to take away user freedom, though |
| 17:28.21 | SIMBIN_Studios | ircDon, sorry to bother you again. Was it testing? |
| 17:28.35 | catsup | the DHT is important though for the resilience of the network |
| 17:28.38 | AimHere | Users have the source, they can get their clients blacklisted if they want |
| 17:28.39 | ircDon | No - stable - let me check the link. |
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| 17:28.50 | catsup | disabling DHT will result in data loss, in the long term, when the trackers die |
| 17:29.05 | ircDon | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 17:29.08 | paral | Can I tell Synaptic to download in parallel? |
| 17:29.13 | catsup | if trackers ban DHT, clients should attempt to hide the fact that they are using DHT |
| 17:29.16 | SIMBIN_Studios | Thanks again :) |
| 17:29.22 | catsup | in order to preserve the data |
| 17:29.33 | valdyn | haha |
| 17:29.35 | SIMBIN_Studios | I use Deluge for torrents.... |
| 17:29.39 | skeeto | AimHere: yes yes yes, we know that the user can build their own. it's that debian shouldn't itself ship DRM like it does today. |
| 17:29.51 | AimHere | Don't call it DRM. It's not. |
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| 17:30.07 | ircDon | SIMBIN_Studios: see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:30.08 | catsup | yeah it's not DRM :\ |
| 17:30.11 | AimHere | If the user can change it, it's not DRM. |
| 17:30.12 | SIMBIN_Studios | Digital Rights Managment or Direct Rendering Manager? |
| 17:30.14 | paral | The best weapon against DRM is an education in EE. |
| 17:30.29 | catsup | that won't work |
| 17:30.38 | skeeto | AimHere: it's exactly DRM: its a flag that when enabled causes the software to cripple itself. It's completely identical to the broadcast flag, which is DRM. |
| 17:30.53 | skeeto | Digital Restrictions Management |
| 17:30.54 | paral | About which software is this discussion? kpdf? |
| 17:31.11 | skeeto | paral: this is about Azureus and rtorrent |
| 17:31.12 | SIMBIN_Studios | I use xpdf. |
| 17:31.12 | catsup | paral: that won't be enough |
| 17:31.17 | SIMBIN_Studios | Super lightweight |
| 17:31.20 | AimHere | The broadcast flag can't be changed by the user. Your average torrent client is a python script, that can be changed by anyone with internet access and a text editor |
| 17:31.42 | SIMBIN_Studios | Deluge is python |
| 17:31.47 | catsup | skeeto: it's not DRM because it's not attached to the data |
| 17:31.49 | paral | catsup: and why not? |
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| 17:32.00 | SIMBIN_Studios | Limewire though is C i think |
| 17:32.07 | catsup | paral: only a small number of computers can ever be liberated like that |
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| 17:32.11 | skeeto | AimHere: again, i know the user can modify the program. it's that debian shouldnt ship it with intentional defectiveness. |
| 17:32.14 | paral | catsup: the signal has to be decoded when it is shown to the user at the end. |
| 17:32.33 | skeeto | catsup: yes, it is attached to the data. it's in the .torrent file. it cant be removed or turned off. |
| 17:32.37 | catsup | true paral, much *data* can be liberated like that |
| 17:32.39 | paral | catsup: "liberated" sounds too drama. |
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| 17:32.43 | AimHere | skeeto, a network client that gets blacklisted by the rest of the network is also defective |
| 17:32.45 | SIMBIN_Studios | Is there a command line torrent client for *Unix systems that works fantastic? |
| 17:32.53 | dimir | # apt-cache search confuse | grep Library |
| 17:32.53 | dimir | libconfuse0 - Library for parsing configuration files |
| 17:32.54 | dimir | \o/ |
| 17:32.54 | catsup | paral: it's the appropriate word |
| 17:33.15 | paral | catsup: ok, so what is the remaining problem then? |
| 17:33.17 | AimHere | skeeto, I suppose you're in favour of Windows setting the QoS fields in all their TCP packets to the most urgent too |
| 17:33.29 | skeeto | AimHere: no, its the tracker that is defective. also, they can't blacklist debian torrent clients because they wont know which ones they are. |
| 17:33.36 | paral | Media companies will continue to use more effective DRM. |
| 17:33.47 | Kasreyn | SIMBIN_Studios: rtorrent? |
| 17:33.52 | skeeto | AimHere: yes, if thats what the user wants their computer to do. |
| 17:34.00 | AimHere | skeeto, ,when Ubuntu picks up Debian, then that'll account for so many users that they can just ban the entire app |
| 17:34.05 | SIMBIN_Studios | oh ok thanks Kasreyn :) |
| 17:34.09 | catsup | paral: you still have the computers that are under remote control, and it may become impossible to play the unrestricted data on them |
| 17:34.35 | paral | catsup: computers under remote control? You mean the one with features for the big companies? |
| 17:34.36 | skeeto | AimHere: user freedom is more important than that. that's no justification for DRM. |
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| 17:34.46 | paral | ones* |
| 17:34.50 | Trewas | skeeto: many private sites provide different torrents for every user so they can catch who leaks torrents to DHT after the fact, even if the client IDs are same |
| 17:34.51 | AimHere | It's not DRM |
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| 17:34.59 | catsup | paral: i mean the PCs that will come more and more to resemble cell phones in their level of restrictiveness, yes |
| 17:35.05 | jelly-home | skeeto: there _nothing_ stopping you from reseeding that data in a new torrent |
| 17:35.10 | AimHere | Tell you what, skeeto, have you modded a torrent client to not respect the private flag? |
| 17:35.23 | AimHere | And if so, does it work well for you? |
| 17:35.44 | paral | catsup: can you give some consumer examples? |
| 17:35.52 | catsup | paral: can you put your own ringtone on your cell phone, or do you have to buy one? |
| 17:36.01 | skeeto | AimHere: that's what I am working on making, yes. i don't use private trackers so it won't affect me. |
| 17:36.09 | SIMBIN_Studios | I'd like to mod Deluge to send data to my cable modem so i can mask my download speed and download at 100 Mbps :) |
| 17:36.16 | catsup | some phones let you; some don't; but the point is that the chocie is made by the manufacturer, according to its estimation of which will be more profitable |
| 17:36.21 | skeeto | jelly-home: the DRM in the client is stopping me from doing that. |
| 17:36.39 | Trewas | skeeto: you have a powerful "I want free stuff NOW!" argument :) |
| 17:36.52 | paral | catsup: My phone doesn't even have custom ringtones, I think. I don't care about devices that track where I am all day long. |
| 17:36.53 | jelly-home | skeeto: from creating a new torrent containing the same files? |
| 17:36.54 | SIMBIN_Studios | Trewas: I like free stuff now too |
| 17:36.55 | catsup | the same logic applies to the future of 'windows media player' |
| 17:37.07 | skeeto | Trewas: i never said I wanted something at no-cost. im arguing about debian shipping DRM. |
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| 17:37.30 | skeeto | jelly-home: i cant create the new torrent if I dont have the data. |
| 17:37.40 | catsup | paral: your phone doesn't matter, the point is just that the cell phones allow us to see what a completely remote-controlled platform looks like when the controller is a for-profit telecom corporation |
| 17:37.43 | paral | catsup: but I understand how PCs can become more restricted, but I don't see how that is ever going to happen, unless mandated by government. |
| 17:37.52 | jelly-home | skeeto: if you have access to the private tracker, you have access to the data. |
| 17:37.55 | catsup | of course it will be mandated by government |
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| 17:38.08 | paral | catsup: ok, under what reason? |
| 17:38.14 | paral | catsup: national security? |
| 17:38.24 | catsup | with licensing for unrestricted comptuers for developers, who will need to have degrees, etc. computers will fall under strict regulation |
| 17:38.26 | jelly-home | skeeto: I see 0 loss of functionality here. |
| 17:38.36 | paral | catsup: The day that happens, probably all the geeks die. |
| 17:38.37 | skeeto | jelly-home: this DRM gets set on public tracker sometimes too, and I like being able to use DHT when the public tracker is down. |
| 17:38.46 | paral | catsup: a few weeks later the world collapses. |
| 17:38.51 | catsup | paral: that's one reason. the other reason is economic exploitation. you need to control the platform in order to charge money for use of features. |
| 17:38.56 | jelly-home | skeeto: so complain to those trackers. |
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| 17:38.59 | skeeto | jelly-home: then you're blind. DHT functionality is lost. thats the point. |
| 17:39.05 | catsup | paral: it's the simple continuation of current trends |
| 17:39.27 | skeeto | jelly-home: it's not the public tracker's fault. its the client's fault for not allowing me to use DHT. |
| 17:39.27 | jelly-home | skeeto: that's not what DRM means. |
| 17:39.33 | paral | catsup: so, why exactly would this happen again? |
| 17:39.35 | catsup | paral: mandatory TC law proposals are made all the time, and the reasons for them to be made are only becoming stronger |
| 17:39.41 | skeeto | jelly-home: that exactly what DRM means |
| 17:40.01 | fredl | catsup - ever heard of the 6th paradigm? |
| 17:40.04 | catsup | paral: powerful interests want control over computing, and thelimited control they have is evaporating |
| 17:40.14 | catsup | fredl: no |
| 17:40.21 | SIMBIN_Studios | I'm going offline. I highly appreciate all your guys's help! |
| 17:40.24 | SIMBIN_Studios | Means a lot to me |
| 17:40.36 | fredl | catsup - traditional government forms stand to fall all over the world with the arrival of the 6th technological revolution. |
| 17:40.43 | paral | catsup: well, the day I cannot buy a faster machine than the one I currently have is the day I stop working :) |
| 17:40.55 | catsup | fredl: yes indeed |
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| 17:41.00 | prolix | clusters? |
| 17:41.06 | fredl | catsup - and it's already happening in it's early stage. |
| 17:41.14 | paral | catsup: I mean, I also don't use Windows for the same reason. I don't want a VCR. I want a computer. |
| 17:41.46 | prolix | the snowball's too big to stop now |
| 17:41.51 | paral | fredl: the 6th technological revolution? |
| 17:41.56 | fredl | catsup - unless existing government forms, including the democratic kinds catch up real fast and become dictatorships or there will be no more governments as we know it withing some years. |
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| 17:42.01 | catsup | fredl: yes, but what we see emerging is the society of control, of total surveillance |
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| 17:42.17 | paral | I think government will become irrelevant during my life-time. |
| 17:42.25 | fredl | catsup - exactly but that's governments trying to hold on while they're losing it. |
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| 17:42.31 | AimHere | Total Surveillance wouldn't be so bad, if there really was total information for everybody |
| 17:42.42 | skeeto | I'm pretty dissapointed with the Debian userbase now. I thought we were better than this. I thought we valued individual freedom. Oh well. |
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| 17:42.57 | fredl | interesting discussion BTW, but let's move it to #debian-offtopic ok? |
| 17:43.16 | catsup | AimHere: uhh, there's no 'total information for everybody', there is a governing and a governed class, and the former has the information, strictly controls it even |
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| 17:43.19 | paral | fredl: k |
| 17:43.27 | AimHere | catsup, exactly the problem |
| 17:43.29 | catsup | thus you see cops confiscating cameras like they were nuclear weapons |
| 17:43.44 | JPT | hmm.. as far as i see, "ext3undel" works fine right now |
| 17:43.48 | AimHere | When it comes to privacy, it should be an all or nothing thing. |
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| 17:44.08 | AimHere | Either eveyone has all the information, or nobody has it. |
| 17:44.08 | catsup | AimHere: you're not living in the real world :\ |
| 17:44.27 | AimHere | I am living in the real world. I just understand it's fucked. |
| 17:44.34 | prolix | can i work on a debian partition from windows+cygwin+sometool to mount my ext partition? |
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| 17:44.47 | JPT | prolix: there are drivers for ext3 for windows |
| 17:44.52 | AimHere | Plus the surveillance technologies are the toothpaste that can't be squirted back in the tube |
| 17:44.55 | jelly-home | prolix: if it's ext2 or ext3, there are free drivers |
| 17:44.59 | prolix | JPT: thank you |
| 17:45.03 | prolix | jelly-home: thank you |
| 17:45.03 | JPT | :) |
| 17:45.56 | jelly-home | !+tell prolix -about ext2ifs |
| 17:45.57 | dpkg | told prolix about ext2ifs. |
| 17:46.10 | prolix | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 17:46.52 | jelly-home | prolix: do not expect cygwin to create files with correct permissions and ownership |
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| 17:47.59 | jelly-home | there are also some commercial drivers that may offer more features |
| 17:48.26 | prolix | jelly-home: i just need it to configure my wireless thing |
| 17:48.40 | prolix | i don't know how that all adds up though including the file permissions issue. |
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| 17:53.41 | amee2k | hm.. i'm switching from buntu to deb5. last deb i've used was 3.1. any really important links come to mind that are a must read in my situation? |
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| 17:55.31 | kantor | hi |
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| 17:57.46 | kantor | I want to make some transfer rate tests for some hard drives and usb flash drives . . . is there a program for linux that can do that ? (but a better one then hdparm, something that makes read, write tests, from the start of the drive, from the middle, or end . . . ) |
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| 17:58.42 | amee2k | kantor: maybe bonnie++ ? |
| 17:58.52 | kantor | ok, thanks |
| 17:58.56 | amee2k | been a while since i used that tho |
| 17:59.30 | AimHere | apt-cache search disk|grep test gives me ltp-disc-test and something called stress |
| 17:59.45 | amee2k | is it a good idea that i'm installing deb on my lappy the evening before uni starts again? |
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| 18:00.08 | Sergio` | Can someone help me put microphone to work outside of X? |
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| 18:00.30 | mo2000 | hiho |
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| 18:02.42 | lucas-- | why the hell isn't this embedded version of Debian recognizing my udev rules? |
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| 18:03.05 | ZitZ | isn't there an option to use the nvidia installer to install nvidia to multiple kernels? |
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| 18:04.00 | simonrvn | ZitZ: that's unsupported here, go ask them (#nvidia) |
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| 18:14.14 | Zambezi | Can anyone suggest a SIP-client for Lenny? For incomning and outgoing calls. |
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| 18:26.26 | sajes | What's the difference between vim-gnome and vim-gtk? |
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| 18:28.41 | macrobat | sajes: compare aptitude show vim-gnome and aptitude show vim-gtk |
| 18:29.14 | macrobat | i would bet dependencies differ |
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| 18:32.12 | hjb2 | hi. i've tried to update my testing installation, but aptitude fails with: |
| 18:32.14 | hjb2 | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 18:32.25 | hjb2 | how can i fix that? |
| 18:32.28 | lucky-_ | why i can't access to |
| 18:32.34 | lucky-_ | debian |
| 18:32.55 | lucky-_ | i receive that error when try to use: ssh -p 55534 root@ip |
| 18:33.11 | lucky-_ | i write the password but obtain permission denied |
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| 18:34.43 | hjb2 | ping |
| 18:35.06 | macrobat | pong |
| 18:35.12 | hjb2 | macrobat: thanks |
| 18:35.58 | fabzor3 | PANG |
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| 18:36.10 | macrobat | hello fabzor3 |
| 18:36.32 | fabzor3 | hi :) |
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| 18:36.46 | fabzor3 | must get updates for debian |
| 18:36.52 | fabzor3 | im getting into debian |
| 18:36.59 | macrobat | good for you |
| 18:37.05 | fabzor3 | and trying to not totally balls up this installl |
| 18:37.19 | fabzor3 | you use linux of some kind macrobat? |
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| 18:38.26 | SandGorgon | anybody here using cupt or apt2 yet ? |
| 18:38.31 | macrobat | debian and currently on archlinux |
| 18:38.36 | telenieko | hi ppl. I have /boot on /dev/md0 and / in an LVM volume on /dev/md1. But it seems that my initrd images do not initialize /dev/md1 and then it can't find the LVM group... How can I force the initrd image to initialize both md0 and md1? |
| 18:38.47 | macrobat | hjb2: you can check dependencies for those two pkgs with aptitude show |
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| 18:39.14 | fabzor3 | ahh arch linux was a bit hard for me |
| 18:39.20 | fabzor3 | but yeah thats good and fast i hear |
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| 18:39.35 | buntfalke | tsocks socksifies tcp only, right? |
| 18:39.48 | fabzor3 | nice word there |
| 18:40.08 | SandGorgon | fabzor3, check out archiso livecd by Godane - FYI |
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| 18:40.58 | macrobat | debian has more automation |
| 18:41.28 | fabzor3 | i was almost happy with ubuntu |
| 18:41.34 | fabzor3 | but gnome was way too sluggish |
| 18:41.59 | fabzor3 | so thats why im going for minimal debian with xfce4 on top |
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| 18:43.47 | macrobat | i mainly use xfce4, i think xfwm is a more intelligent wm than metacity |
| 18:45.03 | pirast | hi im trying to remove a LV which contained a swap. i have run swapoff -a and no application is accessing it (fuser says so). nevertheless i get Can't remove open logical volume "swap_1" and with lvremove LV mubuntos3/swap_1 in use: not deactivating. does anyone have an idea |
| 18:45.08 | colblood | which is the default window manager for debian 5.0? |
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| 18:45.46 | macrobat | colblood: i believe gnome uses metacity |
| 18:45.52 | colblood | k |
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| 18:46.56 | gkoury | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.01 | gkoury | does anyone know how i can add the alias or whatever for the 2nd ip? |
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| 18:47.59 | macrobat | pirast: maybe you can remove the lv from a live cd |
| 18:48.01 | petemc | gkoury: add an entry for eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:48.14 | hjb2 | macrobat: i'll try that |
| 18:48.17 | petemc | gkoury: assuming eth0 is the interface you want to create it on |
| 18:48.20 | pirast | macrobat well its a production system so id more likely prefer not to take it down |
| 18:48.30 | gkoury | petemc: how do i make sure that gets saved? |
| 18:48.35 | pirast | and the same just worked fine with RHEL 5.3 |
| 18:48.36 | hjb2 | macrobat: right now i've left the mentioned packages out and only update the rest |
| 18:48.42 | gkoury | petemc: should it be eth0:0 or eth0:0 ? |
| 18:48.49 | gkoury | petemc: should it be eth0:0 or eth0:1 ? |
| 18:48.57 | faffi | is 2.6.26-2 the current kernel in squeeze? |
| 18:49.03 | fabzor3 | hey someone who knows how to set up a highend geforce on debian, i really need help |
| 18:49.09 | petemc | gkoury: either should work |
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| 18:49.25 | gkoury | petemc: how do i make sure that gets saved? |
| 18:49.40 | petemc | gkoury: if you use /etc/network/interfaces it will |
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| 18:49.55 | petemc | gkoury: make sure you add it to the auto line if you want it brought up on boot |
| 18:49.57 | macrobat | fabzor3: theres a guide on howto compile a nvidia module on forums.debian.net |
| 18:50.06 | fabzor3 | thanks ill look for it now |
| 18:50.43 | dvs | faffi: 2.6.30 |
| 18:51.15 | faffi | dvs: how come it wont auto-update to it |
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| 18:51.20 | faffi | and its not in my list of packages kept back |
| 18:51.23 | macrobat | fabzor3: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
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| 18:51.29 | dvs | faffi: kernels don't auto update |
| 18:51.38 | faffi | really |
| 18:51.41 | dvs | yup |
| 18:52.23 | faffi | so i need to manually install it |
| 18:52.23 | dvs | faffi: it should be in your list of pacakges |
| 18:52.23 | faffi | oh ya its there |
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| 18:52.23 | dvs | faffi: yes, you need to manually update it |
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| 18:52.29 | dvs | faffi: or install the linux-image-2.6-... package |
| 18:52.31 | faffi | k :) |
| 18:52.33 | macrobat | faffi: aptitude search linux-image |
| 18:52.41 | faffi | i know how to find it ;) |
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| 18:52.56 | faffi | bleh gonna have to recompile nvidia drivers |
| 18:53.02 | faffi | is there a script that does that |
| 18:53.09 | adb | !m-a |
| 18:53.10 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/. |
| 18:53.31 | dragon2 | hello everyone |
| 18:53.37 | macrobat | faffi: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
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| 18:54.32 | amee2k | hm... should i go generic initrd, or targeted? |
| 18:54.36 | amee2k | or rather, how do i know which one i should use? |
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| 18:54.56 | ryansully | How can I install Java on Debian 5? |
| 18:54.56 | fabzor3 | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo |
| 18:55.12 | dvs | amee2k: generic is safer |
| 18:55.12 | dragon2 | failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist) |
| 18:55.12 | dragon2 | what should i do? |
| 18:55.17 | amee2k | okay |
| 18:55.24 | ryansully | I tried java-package and java-common from apt-get |
| 18:55.38 | gkoury | when i type ifconfig eth0 it doesnt show the one i just added |
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| 18:55.48 | amee2k | are there any other pro-targeted arguments besides size? |
| 18:56.08 | adb | !install java ryansully |
| 18:56.16 | petemc | gkoury: did you bring the interface up? |
| 18:56.22 | dvs | !tell rynasully -about java |
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| 18:56.28 | gkoury | I did your exact command |
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| 18:56.36 | petemc | my exact command? |
| 18:56.41 | macrobat | dragon2: you have to install nv first |
| 18:57.06 | dragon2 | macrobat: can you tell me package name? |
| 18:57.11 | petemc | gkoury: i told you to /etc/network/interfaces, if you've done that, ifup eth0:1 |
| 18:58.02 | gkoury | petemc: I saw it in ifconfig -a |
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| 18:58.12 | macrobat | dragon2: i dont know. aptitude search xorg | grep nv |
| 18:58.22 | mo2000 | hi |
| 18:58.26 | gkoury | when I did ifconfig -a I saw it |
| 18:58.36 | gkoury | how can i save the eth0:0 ? |
| 18:58.40 | macrobat | dragon2: maybe aptitude search xserver | grep nv |
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| 18:58.55 | adb | dragon2, xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 18:58.56 | dragon2 | macrobat: thanx |
| 18:59.00 | petemc | gkoury: you dont appear to be paying any attention to what i say to you |
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| 18:59.26 | gkoury | sorry my irc client isnt that good |
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| 19:00.22 | gkoury | i get all channels into one window |
| 19:00.23 | gkoury | sorry |
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| 19:01.11 | mo2000 | i need to recompile a specific kernel to export some missing symbols.... my question is there a utility to apply the kernel specific patches (in this case i need 2.6.26-2-xen-686 kernel) ? |
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| 19:19.59 | colblood | how do i install nvidia drivers on debian 5.0? |
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| 19:20.32 | colblood | says something about CC version check fail |
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| 19:21.07 | colblood | and if i skip that, it says "unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel" |
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| 19:25.20 | NacH | hi ! |
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| 19:26.53 | macrobat | colblood: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo |
| 19:26.59 | JPT | okay... now i have a technical question about ext3: when moving files: what is changed and are there older backups of it available somewhere on the drive? |
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| 19:27.09 | macrobat | colblood: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
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| 19:27.14 | SupplyAndDemand | If any Debian developers are here, listen to me very carefully: |
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| 19:27.24 | SupplyAndDemand | GET RID OF THAT FUCKING PACKAGE SURVEY THING |
| 19:27.33 | SupplyAndDemand | It has screwed me again. |
| 19:27.46 | SupplyAndDemand | HOW DO YOU GET RID OF IT?! |
| 19:27.48 | AimHere | Why don't you just say 'No' when it asks you if you want to participate? |
| 19:27.54 | colblood | calm down |
| 19:27.56 | JPT | SupplyAndDemand: apt-get remove dpkg |
| 19:28.03 | colblood | and cut the caps |
| 19:28.11 | SupplyAndDemand | It switches between Yes and No, so on some servers, it is on. |
| 19:28.14 | AimHere | No, JPT, that won't do |
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| 19:28.21 | macrobat | haha |
| 19:28.23 | JPT | he wants to get rid of the package system |
| 19:28.28 | JPT | what else will help then?^^ |
| 19:28.35 | SupplyAndDemand | JPT: : Okay did that |
| 19:28.42 | SupplyAndDemand | JPT: Then what? |
| 19:28.48 | JPT | then nothing. you're done |
| 19:28.55 | SupplyAndDemand | What did that do? |
| 19:29.05 | JPT | it removed the package system |
| 19:29.05 | macrobat | SupplyAndDemand: check for popularity-contest |
| 19:29.07 | petemc | JPT: as a general rule, telling people to do stuff like that will you get kicked |
| 19:29.08 | JPT | as you requested |
| 19:29.20 | JPT | petemc: i considered him being a flamer |
| 19:29.28 | petemc | irregardless |
| 19:29.31 | SupplyAndDemand | petemc: It's okay in this instance because I'm Ronald Reagan. |
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| 19:30.18 | NacH | hi, i've tried to install debian from usb stick... eveything was ok, untill the installer put grub on my usb key instead of the hard drive ... |
| 19:30.18 | cahoot | no wonder popularity-contest is offensive |
| 19:30.25 | NacH | any idea how to fix it ? |
| 19:30.44 | SupplyAndDemand | Okay, I'm going to have to reinstall Debian again, which means installing Windows 98 SE, updating drivers, then going to goodbye-microsoft.com to install Debian. |
| 19:30.47 | AimHere | NacH, just run grub-install on the hard drive |
| 19:30.56 | AimHere | SupplyAndDemand, No you don't |
| 19:31.01 | valdyn | SupplyAndDemand: why would you have to reinstall? |
| 19:31.11 | AimHere | SupplyAndDemand, apt-get remove popularity-contest is what you need |
| 19:31.28 | dvs | AimHere: He doesn't have dpkg installed anymore. |
| 19:31.30 | SupplyAndDemand | Because I just screwed up the system |
| 19:31.33 | colblood | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:31.33 | colblood | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-185.18.36 but it is not installable |
| 19:31.35 | colblood | sup with that? |
| 19:31.37 | NacH | AimHere, yes but I do not have access to grub !! |
| 19:31.39 | AimHere | Sigh |
| 19:31.44 | valdyn | colblood: you need to create that package |
| 19:31.45 | SupplyAndDemand | I deleted everything in /etc/ by accident |
| 19:31.45 | mo2000 | can someone kick this flamer and answer my little dumb question above? |
| 19:31.55 | valdyn | colblood: "m-a a-i nvidia" |
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| 19:32.02 | valdyn | colblood: its in the wiki aswell |
| 19:32.05 | colblood | say what valdyn? |
| 19:32.06 | NacH | AimHere, i cannot start on linux, it directly go to wind |
| 19:32.09 | colblood | k.. |
| 19:32.11 | dvs | SupplyAndDemand: Oh, In that case you have to reinstall Debian (but not Windows) |
| 19:32.29 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: someone may if you ask yoour question |
| 19:32.49 | AimHere | NacH, What I suggest is always having a linux livecd for just this sort of eventuality |
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| 19:33.05 | dvs | AimHere: seconded |
| 19:33.11 | colblood | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:33.12 | SupplyAndDemand | dvs: Yes, I have to install win98 so I can get back on the Internet and go to goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 19:33.12 | colblood | ehm |
| 19:33.23 | dvs | SupplyAndDemand: k |
| 19:33.24 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 19:33.24 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 19:33.29 | valdyn | colblood: read ^^^ |
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| 19:33.57 | AimHere | NacH, I'm not sure if you can get access to a shell with your debian install USB, but if so, you could use that |
| 19:34.05 | colblood | !nvidia m-a |
| 19:34.05 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 19:34.13 | SupplyAndDemand | Goodbye-microsoft.com is a safe installer right? |
| 19:34.17 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: i need to (re-)compile a specific kernel (2.6.26-2-xen-686), i ask for a utiliy that aplys the necesarry patches to the kernelsource |
| 19:34.19 | NacH | AimHere, yes i can acces to the shell but grub is not installed |
| 19:34.27 | macrobat | SupplyAndDemand: why not reinstall the package system? |
| 19:34.31 | NacH | I mean grub is not included on the install cd |
| 19:34.48 | valdyn | reinstalling dpkg isnt *that* easy |
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| 19:34.51 | cusco | hi |
| 19:34.52 | AimHere | There must be some sort of boot loader on the install cd |
| 19:34.57 | dvs | SupplyAndDemand: I'd rather download and burn on ISO image |
| 19:35.04 | cusco | what package in debian provides the netsnmp dev ? |
| 19:35.10 | valdyn | SupplyAndDemand: do you have /var/cache/apt/dpkg* ? |
| 19:35.25 | valdyn | SupplyAndDemand: do you have /var/cache/apt/arhives/dpkg* ? |
| 19:35.32 | valdyn | SupplyAndDemand: do you have /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg* ? |
| 19:35.34 | valdyn | dammit |
| 19:35.51 | SupplyAndDemand | No, /var/ isn't mounted now |
| 19:35.57 | colblood | did that nvidia m-a cmd, but still getting http://pastebin.ca/1592944 |
| 19:36.01 | dvs | valdyn: Stop hitting yourself. stop hitting yourself. stop hitting yourself. ;-) |
| 19:36.09 | valdyn | heehe |
| 19:36.34 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: kernel-package can, or you can just start with the source package for that kernel |
| 19:36.39 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: but why do you need to recompile it? |
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| 19:38.11 | valdyn | colblood: you need to read the wiki you got pointed to |
| 19:38.43 | NacH | AimHere, Seem there is something rotten here: i did # grub-install /dev/hda1 |
| 19:38.44 | colblood | i did |
| 19:38.49 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: i have to export some symbols ... otherwise i cant load the fglrx Kernel modul build from latest sources... |
| 19:39.00 | NacH | AimHere, and i get the error : The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 19:39.07 | valdyn | colblood: so do it again and dont skip the step telling you how to get nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:39.39 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: (this new driver seems to be working under xen, but w/o the module i have no acceleration) |
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| 19:40.15 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: (and this new driver manages my 4 Screens on two cards exactly as i need it) |
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| 19:40.45 | colblood | ah, missed the contrib in sources.list it seems |
| 19:41.08 | colblood | hey, it downloaded the old shitty nvidia 173 driver |
| 19:41.50 | valdyn | colblood: you can use newer drivers from squeeze or sid |
| 19:42.03 | colblood | just using the .deb package? |
| 19:42.15 | valdyn | colblood: all of those |
| 19:42.17 | valdyn | colblood: yes |
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| 19:42.20 | colblood | roger |
| 19:42.35 | mo2000 | colblood: ok instead of compiling kernels i would prefer to use testing... but there is no xen kernel in testing |
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| 19:43.36 | colblood | i get this error when running the .deb : http://pastebin.ca/1592955 |
| 19:44.05 | mo2000 | ups s/colblood/dondelelcaro/ |
| 19:45.14 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: yeah, it's because xen doesn't have a version for the modern kernels, unfortunatly |
| 19:45.30 | dondelelcaro | has actually switched almost entirely to kvm because of htis |
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| 19:47.06 | mo2000 | colblood: why you did not setup Apt for using stable, testing, sid and add a app policy... then you can tell apt-get with the -t switch what distri you want |
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| 19:47.26 | colblood | change lenny to sid in sources.list ? |
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| 19:48.11 | valdyn | colblood: nvidia-glx should be the last, not the first package you install |
| 19:48.14 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: i know this... xen for .30 kernel is very very experimental... |
| 19:48.33 | mo2000 | colblood: not change |
| 19:48.45 | valdyn | colblood: first you install the nvidia-kernel-source, then you build/install the module, then finally you can install nvidia-glx |
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| 19:49.05 | colblood | installing nvidia drivers on debian is totally messed up |
| 19:49.15 | valdyn | colblood: its following a simple howto |
| 19:49.18 | mo2000 | colblood: if it is convinient i will it explain you in query |
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| 19:49.22 | valdyn | colblood: which you are not doing |
| 19:49.32 | colblood | in ubuntu, there's the matter of running sh NVIDIA*.run |
| 19:49.32 | macrobat | colblood: i find it easy |
| 19:49.35 | colblood | that's easy |
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| 19:49.46 | valdyn | colblood: in ubuntu that method is not supported either |
| 19:49.46 | colblood | this is not easy |
| 19:49.55 | colblood | but works flawlessly |
| 19:50.07 | valdyn | colblood: no it does not work flawlessly in ubuntu |
| 19:50.15 | colblood | for me it does |
| 19:50.30 | valdyn | colblood: sometimes breakage is not immediately visible |
| 19:50.43 | colblood | maybe, but has worked for a year |
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| 19:51.02 | SethX | re all |
| 19:51.10 | SethX | any hope to get python 2.6 on debian lenny ? |
| 19:51.28 | dvs | SethX: backports, if any |
| 19:51.29 | SethX | or better, how to get json support in python 2.5 ? |
| 19:51.38 | dondelelcaro | SethX: if you do the work; it's possible that it'll be backported eventually |
| 19:52.02 | SethX | somebody kickban B-BoYs |
| 19:52.09 | SethX | hes spamming with porn vids |
| 19:52.10 | mo2000 | colblood: i found simple way to have almost latest drivers by mixing stable with testing or sid for ATI... it is much easier |
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| 19:52.50 | mo2000 | colblood: ... and it works yust after a reboot |
| 19:53.00 | SethX | dondelelcaro: to be honest i'm so pissed that i'm considering driging to my servers colo location and cutting the power cord |
| 19:53.03 | SethX | with an axe |
| 19:53.07 | colblood | i did the unsupported thing and installed from .run |
| 19:53.15 | SethX | anyhow, any tips? |
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| 19:53.33 | mo2000 | colblood: then search for the uninstall script |
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| 19:54.06 | dondelelcaro | SethX: thanks for the spam report |
| 19:54.11 | SethX | dondelelcaro: welcome |
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| 19:54.31 | dondelelcaro | SethX: is there any reason why you're not using the json distributed in lenny? |
| 19:54.32 | silentnights | When I run so many tabs on Iceweasel it crashes. It just gets killed. Does anyone know anything about it? |
| 19:54.39 | cusco | im bulding asterisk and I can't find the devel modules for: CAP NETSNMP OPENSSL... |
| 19:54.48 | SethX | dondelelcaro: is there one? if so, i dont know about it. any pointers? |
| 19:54.59 | dondelelcaro | SethX: python-json |
| 19:55.05 | faffi | So from what I just gathered, you can update to the 2.6.30 kernel in testing, but if you want nvidia drivers you need to get them from unstable |
| 19:55.12 | cusco | libssl-dev and libpcap-dev do not seem to work |
| 19:55.14 | SethX | ah. |
| 19:55.27 | SethX | is bedazzled |
| 19:55.33 | rgr | what mechanisms exist in debian to auto launch a program when something is plugged into a usb port? In this case whats the easist way to configure wammu to launch when I plug my phone in? |
| 19:55.59 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: is there a way to use the buildsystem for the needed kernel patches or not? |
| 19:56.21 | mo2000 | rgr: udev ?! |
| 19:57.27 | SethX | dondelelcaro: you seem to be my muse today. any idea what to do to get "import io" to work? [in python]. it cant find that module... |
| 19:57.47 | silentnights | Is there a way to debug why Iceweasel crashes when I go into many tabs? |
| 19:58.08 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: sure, the patches are in the linux-patch-debian-*; packages, the build system is kernel-package, and you can also just rebuild the entire set of packages if you wanted from the linux source package |
| 19:58.25 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: build a debugging build, enable coredumps, and see what is failing |
| 19:58.58 | rgr | mo2000: looks incredibly hard to use from a brief glance at the man page. |
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| 20:01.21 | silentnights | dondelelcaro: Can you explain little farther? I had experience with building packages but dunno what debugging build is... |
| 20:01.45 | mo2000 | rgr: as always... but take in mind it is only a Script that you hav to supply/modify for insertion and removal |
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| 20:02.22 | mo2000 | rgr: only complicated to fond out where to place/name it |
| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | SethX: I don't write in python, but most likely you don't have the right module installed. |
| 20:02.53 | SethX | dondelelcaro: i'm being told that that module is available in python 3 |
| 20:02.54 | rgr | its almost unfathomable I'm afraid. I was kind of hoping for a nice easy to configure gui which just asks which device and asks what to launch. A glance at the rules of udev suggest its not at all easy. |
| 20:02.58 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: it just means that you build with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" or similar |
| 20:03.02 | SethX | is python 3 in lenny somewhere? |
| 20:03.45 | silentnights | dondelelcaro: do I add that option when I run ./make?? |
| 20:04.08 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: you don't run make; it's an environmental variable that debian/rules pays attention to |
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| 20:05.04 | dondelelcaro | SethX: python3 is only in experimental |
| 20:05.21 | markybob | SethX, you can answer that yourself. learn to http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:06.19 | _Benacemiyim | hacılar merhaba |
| 20:06.24 | dondelelcaro | (it's so totally different from python2, that I've no idea why you'd be using it in production or anything else yet) |
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| 20:06.52 | _Benacemiyim | acemi ne haber |
| 20:06.59 | silentnights | dondelelcaro: Thank you a lot. I am looking at a tutorial on how to build debugging packages. Will follow it and report back if I run into problems :) |
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| 20:07.34 | person | Hmm, when I say K Menu -> Switch User -> Start New Session, type my username and type my password, the new VT I had GDM starting to run on just closed down and I was returned to the VT7 I tried to start a new session from |
| 20:07.35 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: can you advice me where i can get excatly that patches the debian build system used to build this kernel version... i googled alredy... but all i got confuses me totaly |
| 20:07.38 | person | Why? |
| 20:07.41 | caglar_3 | hoŠbuldum hacım |
| 20:07.58 | _Benacemiyim | bak burası kalabalık |
| 20:08.11 | caglar_3 | mahÅer yeri gibi |
| 20:08.16 | themill | !tr |
| 20:08.16 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 20:08.17 | slarikan | he yahu |
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| 20:08.34 | caglar_3 | atacaklar galiba |
| 20:08.37 | _Benacemiyim | sohbet etcek cok kiÅi var |
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| 20:09.06 | _Benacemiyim | atsınlar yahu |
| 20:09.11 | _Benacemiyim | acemi |
| 20:09.26 | caglar_3 | tr ye gidin gibi biÅi dediler |
| 20:09.33 | _Benacemiyim | evet |
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| 20:09.39 | themill | caglar_3, _Benacemiyim: /join #debian.tr |
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| 20:10.14 | caglar_3 | how are you ben acemyim |
| 20:10.16 | _Benacemiyim | themill ne diyon |
| 20:10.32 | _Benacemiyim | :D |
| 20:10.44 | dondelelcaro | mo2000: the exact patches are in the linux-patch-debian-*; package, or you can get the exact source by running apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686; |
| 20:11.06 | caglar_3 | bi sysinfo yap da hacı daÄıtım görsün kulakları adamaların |
| 20:11.14 | caglar_3 | Sysinfo for 'caglar-pardus': Linux 2.6.30.5-126 running KDE 4.2.4 (KDE 4.2.4), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz at 3000 MHz (5999 bogomips), HD: 134/447GB, RAM: 1452/1509MB, 144 proc's, 2.7h up |
| 20:11.17 | _Benacemiyim | burda yardım etmiyormusunuz yahu |
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| 20:11.37 | slarikan | ahanda decaf da geldi |
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| 20:11.57 | Neo_The_User | Why was my network controller (RTL-8169) taken out of the debian installer kernel? |
| 20:12.03 | silentnights | dondelelcaro: There is an Iceweasel dbg package in the repo. I am getting it. Do you know how can I use it? |
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| 20:12.27 | _Benacemiyim | help me |
| 20:12.29 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps can you help me? i am running my healdless server and its not seeing my usb device, i did a lsusb and its not there is there some way to manaually make the kernel reload all usb devices or something |
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| 20:12.44 | bbelt16ag | so i dont gota freaking reboot everytime i want to use a usb on the server?!?!?!?!?!?!! |
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| 20:12.54 | Neo_The_User | It says "No kernel modules were found" and I cannot setup my system for install. |
| 20:13.06 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: if you've got that, you can just enable coredumps, and then use gdb on the coredump |
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| 20:13.35 | _Benacemiyim | dedian nezaman kde4,3 paketlerini alacak depoya yahu |
| 20:13.52 | Neo_The_User | _Benacemiyim, english only |
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| 20:14.08 | bbelt16ag | any ideas? |
| 20:14.09 | Neo_The_User | go to #debian-whateveryouspeak |
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| 20:14.25 | _Benacemiyim | Neo_The_User türkkiŠonıy |
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| 20:14.54 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 20:15.05 | Neo_The_User | bbelt16ag its dead today |
| 20:15.27 | bbelt16ag | ok. |
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| 20:15.32 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: if it doesn't show up in lsusb, then the device may be faulty, or similar. |
| 20:15.42 | Neo_The_User | and I need to speak to a debian developer so they can put my network controller driver back in as a freakin module |
| 20:15.44 | dondelelcaro | (things will show up in lsusb regardless of whether you have drivers for them) |
| 20:15.46 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:15.47 | Neo_The_User | nice going whoever did that |
| 20:16.07 | Neo_The_User | seriously though... who's GENIUS idea was that? |
| 20:16.08 | silentnights | how can I enable coredumps?? |
| 20:16.10 | bbelt16ag | so there is no way to make it rescan devices? |
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| 20:16.21 | bbelt16ag | no /etc/init.d/restart usb? |
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| 20:16.34 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: it doesn't need to rescan the devices |
| 20:16.37 | hesco | I have a script I want to run at the end of an ssh invocation like this: `ssh user@host run_my_script.sh`. It does interaction with apt-get, is using the --yes switches, but still throws errors reading: "dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin:" Any idea how to make those errors go away? |
| 20:16.41 | Neo_The_User | bbelt16ag, use HAL |
| 20:16.47 | bbelt16ag | hal.. |
| 20:16.49 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:16.51 | Neo_The_User | hardware abstraction layer |
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| 20:17.07 | Neo_The_User | cheers mate |
| 20:17.08 | acidtripper | someone using slim with multiple enviroments? |
| 20:17.40 | Neo_The_User | how do i re-build a kernel for a debian install cd? |
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| 20:18.44 | themill | hesco: you either need to allocate a tty (-T option to ssh) or tell apt not to ask debconf questions (export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive in your script) |
| 20:18.56 | Neo_The_User | hell with this. |
| 20:19.05 | rgr | mo2000: ok, not too bad when you find what you want. add a local rules file to udev/rules.d. Thanks. |
| 20:19.13 | silentnights | Anyone know how can I enable core dump?? |
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| 20:19.42 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: help ulimit |
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| 20:20.09 | sepult | ulimit -c <upperlimit> |
| 20:20.23 | sepult | ulimit -s <upperlimit> fo ya stack |
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| 20:23.48 | bbelt16ag | i gave up |
| 20:24.22 | rgr | hwhere can I see what udev does? I have added a script, restarted udev but its not working how can I debug it? |
| 20:24.30 | _caf | what's the bash command to get system specifications of your system in debian (couldn't find it at google) |
| 20:24.40 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: if it doesn't show up in lsusb, almost always there's some problem with the hardware. |
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| 20:26.00 | dondelelcaro | _caf: lshw or similar |
| 20:26.28 | dimir | _caf: dmidecode |
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| 20:28.56 | bbelt16ag | dondelelcaro: well it works on the workstation and not the box. |
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| 20:29.10 | bbelt16ag | it might be those usb ports are borked |
| 20:29.38 | silentnights | dondelelcaro, sepult: Am sorry if I ask a lot. ulimit allow me to limit the coredump file. I just don't know how to enable it. The ulimits is all zeros so it's unlimited. I already installed dbg package of Iceweasel. How can I run it? |
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| 20:30.08 | dimir | zero isn't unlimited. |
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| 20:30.13 | alnr | hello, i'm getting an error trying to install php5 5.3 from experimental. http://pastebin.com/m1a6f6b62 any ideas? |
| 20:30.15 | dimir | zero means rather "not allowed". |
| 20:30.18 | AimHere | Unlimited coredump size on modern hardware gives me the fear |
| 20:30.20 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: you just want ulimit -c unlimited; |
| 20:30.23 | dimir | Or "disabled" |
| 20:30.39 | dondelelcaro | silentnights: assuming you have enough disk, anyway |
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| 20:30.52 | rgr | udevmonitor is missing from the debian repos. |
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| 20:31.28 | mo2000 | rgr... its just easy when you know what little trigger you have to use... unfortunatly the trigger is not directly visible |
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| 20:32.17 | silentnights | What's the recommended size?? I will share the coredump with someone to help me I guess. so may be I should go for less than 10MB?? |
| 20:32.24 | rgr | well the trigger I am using is based on productID and "add". But its not running. There must be a way in debian to see which udev events are triggered? |
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| 20:33.42 | valdyn | rgr: man udevadm |
| 20:34.16 | rgr | thansk |
| 20:34.20 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps whats the modern way to mounting ntfs as rw in debian lenny 5.0? |
| 20:34.33 | bbelt16ag | whats the easiest and leat prone to break got like 60 GB i need to copy asap |
| 20:34.51 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: ntfs-3g |
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| 20:35.04 | mo2000 | rgr: when reading man pages take care about the refsat the end. |
| 20:35.06 | sepult | ntfs-3g |
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| 20:35.48 | amee2k | this is somewhat annoying... i'm trying to remove some things that i won't need on my laptop deb5 install... |
| 20:35.55 | amee2k | when i try to remove "bluez-gnome", it tries to remove "gnome" as well and as a result things like rythmbox. how can i prevent this? |
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| 20:36.24 | macrobat | !metapackage |
| 20:36.25 | dpkg | i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 20:36.55 | bbelt16ag | thanks |
| 20:37.07 | amee2k | yeah, i gather what a metapackage is |
| 20:37.35 | amee2k | but how do i remove something without accidentially uninstalling half my system? |
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| 20:38.06 | macrobat | amee2k: you can mark the packages about to get removed as manually installed if you want to keep them |
| 20:38.13 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: you can use aptitude or similar, remove the metapackage, and mark things that the metapackage depends on as manually installed |
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| 20:39.39 | amee2k | i'm using aptitude already... how would i do that |
| 20:40.01 | amee2k | just for the protocol, last deb i've been using was 3.1 and i've mainly used apt-get on that |
| 20:40.20 | macrobat | !why aptitude |
| 20:40.20 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 20:40.22 | amee2k | so i'm still working on getting the hang of all the aptitude moves |
| 20:40.26 | macrobat | :) |
| 20:41.01 | amee2k | macrobat: erm, are you in #java by chance? |
| 20:41.22 | macrobat | no, thats not me |
| 20:41.27 | amee2k | you'd fit in there quite well. they're awfully quick with the bot too |
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| 20:42.00 | amee2k | no offense, but the factoids give me just about as much clue as i already have |
| 20:43.02 | macrobat | well, i type slow and have bad memory, thats my excuse for using the bot :) |
| 20:43.11 | amee2k | lol |
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| 20:43.29 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: either using unmarkauto or the curses interface |
| 20:43.41 | amee2k | i'm an almost noob. i have half a clue and i intend to use it. ;) |
| 20:44.15 | macrobat | if you lauch aptitude in interactive mode its easier to see whats in the dependency tree |
| 20:44.48 | macrobat | and its easy to mark multiple pkgs |
| 20:45.01 | pappanz | hello. I was trying to install debian from a usb pendrive but I got an error message saying that the installer can't find the kernel modules. It seems to me that I have an iso image that doesn't match the boot.img.gz file, because at the moment I cannot find where to download boot.img.gz, so I used an old one. I am trying to use the debian-installer for a testing installation |
| 20:45.07 | pappanz | ups sorry too long |
| 20:45.35 | amee2k | hm... i just found it has the synaptic manager too (i though that was proprietary?) |
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| 20:47.46 | iDanny | I need help |
| 20:47.49 | prolix | is there a recommended explanation on compiling modules into kernels and if so, where would one find it? |
| 20:48.01 | iDanny | Can anyone help me with bitlbee? |
| 20:48.26 | amee2k | iDanny: obviously no. we don't even know what the problem is |
| 20:48.45 | iDanny | Well i dont either :o |
| 20:48.50 | iDanny | i need help installing bitlbee |
| 20:49.28 | iDanny | ive extracted |
| 20:49.37 | iDanny | i think i did the ,.configure right |
| 20:49.48 | iDanny | but when i press make it error spams at the end |
| 20:49.56 | amee2k | erm, its in the repo i think |
| 20:49.58 | gkoury | how would I use rsync for mirroring please? |
| 20:50.00 | amee2k | no need to compile |
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| 20:50.15 | dondelelcaro | prolix: depends on the module; most of the time you want to use module-assistant |
| 20:50.15 | valdyn | iDanny: aptitude install bitlbee |
| 20:50.27 | gkoury | what do I need to do to set up rsync mirroring between multiple systems? |
| 20:50.30 | dondelelcaro | !mirror |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <mirror size> |
| 20:50.38 | dimir | silentnights: there are sometimes cores dropped of a size over 1 GB so you can't tell the ordinary size. :-) |
| 20:50.59 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: if you just want to mirror, you can use rsync with rsync daemon or similar |
| 20:51.05 | alnr | I just borked my php install by trying to install php5 5.3 from experimental, can anyone advise. i think its probably saveable. http://pastebin.com/m10d17081 |
| 20:51.26 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: what do I need to do to set up rsync mirroring between multiple systems? |
| 20:51.32 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: rsync |
| 20:52.09 | prolix | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 20:52.24 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: so that, i can have a folder that's always, within an hour or two, exactly the same on 3 or 4 computers, with the most recently touched file being copied around to all of them |
| 20:52.29 | gkoury | one windows, two macs, one linux |
| 20:52.40 | amee2k | erm, my wlan fails. when i try to get the interface up it says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory". i'm using the b43 driver that has worked on buntu before and that got set up by the debian setup. any ideas what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 20:53.02 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: uh... if you want to do bidirectional syncing, that's quite a bit more complicated |
| 20:53.45 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: most likely you don't have the firmware installed |
| 20:54.01 | amee2k | hm... |
| 20:54.03 | amee2k | !firmware |
| 20:54.03 | gkoury | I wanted multi-directional |
| 20:54.04 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 20:54.10 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: so if I edit something on the linux box, it copies around |
| 20:54.22 | gkoury | or if I edit on one of the macs, that copies around |
| 20:54.30 | amee2k | !listkeys firmware |
| 20:54.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'firmware' by key (15 of 32): acenic firmware ;; acx100 firmware ;; alsa firmware ;; b43 firmware ;; b43legacy firmware ;; bcm43xx firmware ;; firmware-ralink ;; ipw2200 firmware ;; ivtv firmware ;; iwlwifi firmware ;; open firmware ;; orinoco firmware ;; prism firmware ;; ralink firmware ;; rt2561 firmware. |
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| 20:54.41 | amee2k | !b43 firmware |
| 20:54.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package for Lenny, Etch and Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
| 20:54.44 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: you can use /msg... |
| 20:54.52 | amee2k | whoops :) |
| 20:55.07 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: generally, the best way to do that is to just have a single filesystem on a machine, and use smb or nfs, or whatever. |
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| 20:55.26 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: i don't want all of the systems to access the same folder |
| 20:55.34 | gkoury | i want multiple copies |
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| 20:56.05 | valdyn | gkoury: rsync is not the right tool for this |
| 20:56.09 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: i cant do that, not feasible |
| 20:56.19 | gkoury | some of them are not network accessible from each other directly |
| 20:56.30 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: well, it's a complicated problem to solve. glusterfs is probably the closest thing if they're always on. Otherwise, you'll have to do something else. |
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| 20:56.36 | gkoury | but some of them are laptops that move between the other machines |
| 20:56.40 | dondelelcaro | personally just uses subversion to do thiss |
| 20:57.06 | gkoury | My initial problem is: |
| 20:57.07 | gkoury | i have a folder full of documents that I want to always be up to date, within an hour or two, between multiple systems |
| 20:57.30 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: and you're editing them on all of these machines? |
| 20:57.31 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: subversion is another thing where the machines would all have to be directly routable to each other |
| 20:57.46 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: no, they'd all just have to be able to access a central server. |
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| 20:57.53 | gkoury | dondelelcaro; that possibility exists |
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| 20:58.36 | amee2k | erm, how can i tell aptitude to leave everything alone that i didn't explicitly order? |
| 20:58.50 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: I don't want a central repository |
| 20:59.00 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: aptitude keep-all |
| 20:59.07 | glasyalabolis | where can i find g++ on ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/ ? |
| 20:59.10 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: i want all of the files available at all times on all machines |
| 20:59.18 | amee2k | since i manually removed the BT stuff using synaptic (which appears not to give a flying ...) it wants to remove all sorts of crap every time i use it |
| 20:59.19 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: so? they will be if you use subversion |
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| 20:59.52 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: it's not uncommon for me to be working on one of the laptops in an area with no network connection, or with dialup |
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| 21:00.21 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: yes, and that's something you can do with subversion |
| 21:00.26 | valdyn | gkoury: dont try to get synchronising done automagically |
| 21:00.36 | purplepenguins | git and github would be good |
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| 21:00.57 | dondelelcaro | (or any other distributed VCS) |
| 21:01.00 | valdyn | gkoury: thats *way* to complex, just use a version control system like git or svn or use rsync |
| 21:01.19 | purplepenguins | you could have multiple working copies, all pushing to an official repo, maybe posted at github |
| 21:01.25 | amee2k | okay, aptitude now officially gets a big red stamp on its forehead that reads "annoying! keep away" in my book :P |
| 21:01.40 | purplepenguins | it's not going to be super-fast but if you're on dialup you're not going to have a super-fast option |
| 21:01.52 | gkoury | dondelelcaro: thing is i'd have to run the server on one of the laptops |
| 21:02.15 | purplepenguins | gkoury: using github would obviate that |
| 21:02.22 | gkoury | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.36 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: uh, no, you wouldn't |
| 21:02.41 | gkoury | there's no way i want to do 20gb of sync over a cable internet connection |
| 21:03.10 | gkoury | dondelelcaro ? |
| 21:03.14 | purplepenguins | why would you have 20gb of sync? |
| 21:03.14 | dondelelcaro | actually already does this with three laptops and three desktop computers |
| 21:03.21 | purplepenguins | what kind of files are they? |
| 21:03.34 | purplepenguins | that you need to be editing constantly but always have up-to-date |
| 21:03.47 | dondelelcaro | gkoury: you don't need to run the server on the laptops; you just check out the repository, and commit when you change things |
| 21:04.12 | purplepenguins | also you don't send the whole kit and caboodle, just the diffs |
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| 21:04.50 | elops | dondelelcaro: so how does the local copy get to the computer that's behind the cable connection? |
| 21:04.55 | elops | sorry for changing my nick btw. |
| 21:04.55 | moka | Hello, I wrote a udev rules in order to start a script when a bluetooth device is detected. The script works fine but if I try to launch anyremote I get a segfault. http://pastebin.ca/1593077 Thank you, sorry for the bad english. |
| 21:04.57 | alnr | anyone have an idea what I can do to fix this php install: http://pastebin.com/m10d17081 |
| 21:05.21 | dondelelcaro | elops: you svn update; after you commit it. |
| 21:05.51 | valdyn | alnr: dont try to install experimental packages in lenny |
| 21:06.21 | elops | dondelelcaro: it seems like some days I add 5 dozen files, and other days I remove just as many |
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| 21:06.39 | dondelelcaro | elops: that's fine |
| 21:06.50 | elops | dondelelcaro: its a crappy home cable connection that these changes have to travel |
| 21:06.52 | alnr | valdyn: why dont try, isnt this as announced by debian packaging team supposed to work |
| 21:06.55 | elops | so i dont think it will work |
| 21:06.57 | glasyalabolis | what package contains g++ ? |
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| 21:07.25 | dondelelcaro | elops: so? how big are these documents? |
| 21:07.26 | valdyn | alnr: its in experimental because it does not even work with sid, but you are at lenny |
| 21:07.47 | guysoft42 | hi all, i am developing for an AVR, and when i make it switch to programming mode, i keep getting: usb 1-3.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
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| 21:08.21 | valdyn | glasyalabolis: aptitude install g++ |
| 21:08.35 | elops | dondelelcaro: rsync is capable of bidirectional ? |
| 21:08.42 | alnr | valdyn: is there any version that it will work on or is that whole announce just to be ignored |
| 21:08.59 | valdyn | alnr: which announcement? |
| 21:08.59 | elops | dondelelcaro: rsync can do real mirroring, there's no reason to go to a more complicated system that requires more work for me |
| 21:09.34 | macrobat | glasyalabolis: use apt-file search |
| 21:09.35 | alnr | valdyn: http://marc.info/?l=php-general&m=124653791612477&w=2 |
| 21:10.20 | valdyn | alnr: the announcement announces that its available via experimental for public testing |
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| 21:10.36 | valdyn | alnr: it doesnt say that you can all of a sudden use experimental packages in lenny and expect them to work |
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| 21:11.03 | glasyalabolis | valdyn: I'm trying to grab some packages off of ftp.debian.org for a machine that does not have an internet connection. |
| 21:11.10 | glasyalabolis | macrobat: thanks, will do |
| 21:11.27 | dondelelcaro | elops: *shrug*; best of luck. |
| 21:11.30 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 21:11.30 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
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| 21:11.40 | alnr | ok, my expectations are now levelset :) so is there a way to get to 5.3 on debian through the packagaes as opposed to building them? |
| 21:11.45 | valdyn | glasyalabolis: ^^ |
| 21:12.02 | glasyalabolis | valdyn: I see, thanks : ) |
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| 21:16.55 | mo2000 | dondelelcaro: found my information after dig a bit deeper in Kernelcookbook... (it lokks so fuc... easy ) |
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| 21:25.18 | kantor | hi |
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| 21:26.48 | rgr | its hard to know what attributes to use for udev rules since the values returned are different from a udevinfo or "udevadm info" and a "udevadm monitor". |
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| 21:27.17 | kantor | is there a bad sector scanning, hard drive surface scanning and error reporting software for linux ? (but not like fsck . . .) |
| 21:28.23 | atrapado | kantor: badblocks |
| 21:29.12 | cusco | !badblocks |
| 21:29.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, badblocks is badblocks(8): search device for bad blocks |
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| 21:32.03 | mo2000 | uuhh badblocks... funny tool for destroying filesytems :D |
| 21:32.07 | kantor | atrapado, thanks |
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| 21:34.58 | Rezagrats | For a 64-bit system, which would i install ? |
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| 21:38.08 | Rezagrats | Which release should i install for a 64bit system ? |
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| 21:39.30 | jelly-home | Rezagrats: Debian 5.0.3, amd64? |
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| 21:40.06 | Rezagrats | Thanks jelly-home. |
| 21:40.25 | Rezagrats | WHOA. is Debian really _5_ DVDs ? |
| 21:40.52 | cusco | only? |
| 21:41.33 | cusco | Rezagrats: ofcourse you only need the first |
| 21:41.37 | cusco | or even the first cd |
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| 21:42.10 | cusco | there is the popular net-install cd about 150MB, it sts up the base system and downloads the packages from teh internet |
| 21:42.16 | Rezagrats | Cusco, then what does the other 5 DVDs consist of ? |
| 21:42.23 | colblood | what do i need to do to go from my 173 nvidia drivers, to 185? |
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| 21:43.00 | cusco | Rezagrats: if you don't have a internet connection and you want some other debian packages... |
| 21:43.10 | Rezagrats | Oh. |
| 21:43.20 | Rezagrats | I have a great connection. ^_^ |
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| 21:43.31 | cusco | cable or wireless? |
| 21:43.38 | Kano | hi, is squeeze already using dash for /bin/sh? |
| 21:44.06 | cusco | Kano: yes |
| 21:44.24 | Rezagrats | Cable, cusco. |
| 21:44.29 | Kano | why is no time executeable preinstalled then |
| 21:44.39 | cusco | Rezagrats: go for net-install then :) |
| 21:44.39 | Kano | as time is no built-in |
| 21:44.42 | cusco | quick and easy |
| 21:44.46 | Rezagrats | Why ? |
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| 21:45.11 | Rezagrats | Imma be doing a web server... so.... |
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| 21:45.27 | cusco | Rezagrats: by downloading the whole 1st cd or dvd, you are downloading stuff that either is not up to date or you dont neet |
| 21:45.30 | cusco | need |
| 21:45.46 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
| 21:45.49 | cusco | well you can select web server from net-install |
| 21:45.56 | cusco | it downloads apache and installs it for you |
| 21:46.12 | Rezagrats | Ok, you got me. i like the sound of that. |
| 21:46.26 | cusco | or you could do as most, install only the base system and install needed packages by hand |
| 21:46.48 | cusco | apt-get install apache2 phpmyadmin mysql-server openssh-server etc |
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| 21:47.30 | Rezagrats | So it's this minimal bootable CD? |
| 21:47.42 | cusco | yes |
| 21:47.54 | cusco | it has a selection of packages, no need to worry |
| 21:48.05 | cusco | you can choose Desktop environment, server, laptop, etc |
| 21:48.22 | cusco | it downloads only the needed packages for your system :-) |
| 21:48.51 | Rezagrats | Uhh.. i need a desktop GUI with server things. D: |
| 21:49.00 | cusco | so you get the latest from the repositories and only those you need! |
| 21:49.19 | cusco | yark! anyway you can select them both, desktop and web-server |
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| 21:50.10 | cusco | why would you need a desktop gui? that is a waste of resources ! |
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| 21:50.51 | BackLash|TheFly | Question: What is the device that allows you to ssh into a server before its in an OS (its some external device but i forgot the name of it) |
| 21:50.58 | rgr | ok, I have my udev rule working to a degree. The ymlink is created so thats good. but I als run+="/usr/bin/wammu". I see a cpu peak when I plug in but I see no wammu. What could be causing the gui app not to run from a udev rule? |
| 21:51.05 | Rezagrats | Cusco, it's going on a desktop anyways. ;) |
| 21:51.15 | Rezagrats | And i'm a fool with key-based commands. :D |
| 21:51.17 | Rezagrats | D:* |
| 21:51.25 | colblood | what do i need to do to go from my 173 nvidia drivers, to 185? |
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| 21:52.05 | cusco | colblood: probably apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:52.12 | cusco | BackLash|TheFly: never heard of it |
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| 21:52.29 | cusco | BackLash|TheFly: if there is no OS what will you be ssh'ing to? |
| 21:52.44 | BackLash|TheFly | i think i got the answer |
| 21:52.55 | cusco | I mean... BIOS is an OS and it has no ssh |
| 21:53.03 | colblood | nvidia-glx wasnt listed there cusco |
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| 21:53.15 | rgr | colblood: you need to use the unstable version. Unless you really need this I dont recommend it as it drags in all sorts of dependencies. |
| 21:53.34 | BackLash|TheFly | someone else suggested IP KVM and im pretty sure thats correct |
| 21:53.37 | colblood | i need it for vdpau (hw accelerated for video) rgr |
| 21:53.54 | cusco | colblood: I guess you can download nvidia drivers from nvidia website |
| 21:54.00 | cusco | and run the installer by hand |
| 21:54.01 | colblood | xbmc doesnt wanna start with 173 |
| 21:54.12 | colblood | i tried that, but it messed up X |
| 21:54.19 | cusco | er |
| 21:54.25 | Kano | colblood: why dont you use 190.32 |
| 21:54.27 | rgr | I have it alright. I added unstable to my repositories and forced the version and added pin priorities to /etc/apt/preferences. |
| 21:54.33 | cusco | you would not neet to change xorg.conf |
| 21:54.38 | Kano | err 190.36 |
| 21:54.40 | cusco | if you are already using nvidia |
| 21:54.52 | rgr | Kano: where is that version? |
| 21:55.00 | cusco | after the nvidia driver installs, it prompts you to configure xorg.conf, you should say no |
| 21:55.01 | colblood | kano, supposed to be even more buggy |
| 21:55.03 | Kano | well on the nv server ;) |
| 21:55.09 | valdyn | Kano: why would people use beta drivers? |
| 21:55.21 | Kano | because they have got bugfixes |
| 21:55.24 | dustybin | when i log into my friends server, it takes about 15-20 seconds to ssh in, ssh -v shows it pauses right here: debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received |
| 21:55.40 | Kano | also more vdpau options |
| 21:55.40 | colblood | mm, 185 is stable, according to nvidia version number |
| 21:55.40 | cusco | because they have bugfixes (besides the new ones, they fix old ones) |
| 21:55.41 | valdyn | colblood: yes |
| 21:55.51 | cusco | and cuda stuff... |
| 21:55.56 | colblood | Kano: not sure if i can utilize the extra vdpau options with my gf 8400gt |
| 21:56.03 | Kano | colblood: sure you can do |
| 21:56.10 | colblood | k |
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| 21:56.20 | colblood | well, how do i upgrade to 190.xxx then |
| 21:56.26 | rgr | 185 is not stable, 173 is stbale debian. |
| 21:56.35 | Kano | with mplayer svn you can do when you installed the vdpau headers |
| 21:56.55 | colblood | huh? |
| 21:56.56 | cusco | what is vdpau? |
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| 21:57.04 | colblood | hw acceleration |
| 21:57.13 | colblood | for matroska / h.264 |
| 21:57.14 | cusco | ? |
| 21:57.16 | valdyn | cusco: hardware acceleration for video decoding |
| 21:57.17 | cusco | hmm |
| 21:57.18 | cusco | ok |
| 21:57.27 | cusco | that sounds good |
| 21:57.36 | colblood | indeed, requires gf 8x00 |
| 21:57.48 | rgr | dont run the installer by hand. You'll end up regretting it. |
| 21:57.52 | valdyn | cusco: 1080p is to demanding for all but the newest cpu |
| 21:58.07 | Tux^verdreifelt | n8 |
| 21:58.12 | syslq | I'm trying to create raid1 with mdadm and after mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 I get mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy, but only on sdc1 (sdb1 seemed to pass) any ideas? |
| 21:58.20 | colblood | mm , i had to use nvidia-installer -uninstall |
| 21:58.25 | cusco | could it be in the marillat? |
| 21:58.25 | syslq | it's not mountes and it's linux raid fs type |
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| 21:58.47 | valdyn | cusco: could what be in marillat? |
| 21:59.17 | valdyn | cusco: vdpau libraries are in sid and ( i guess ) squeeze too |
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| 21:59.25 | cusco | nvidia libvdpau |
| 21:59.27 | boxxertrumps | is there any easy way to copy a list of files from one directory to another and retain the directory structure? |
| 21:59.31 | cusco | ok |
| 21:59.43 | colblood | how do i get them? i changed lenny to squeeze in sources.list ? |
| 21:59.57 | valdyn | colblood: thats it. |
| 21:59.57 | tsauter | Hi all |
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| 22:00.05 | Kano | colblood: look into query |
| 22:00.10 | boxxertrumps | i want to copy some of my music collection to my mp3 player, and i haven't been able to figure out an easy way to copy just the favorites |
| 22:00.13 | rgr | wow, that would a complete move from lenny to squeeze. |
| 22:00.21 | colblood | valdyn: well, it says im at latest version |
| 22:00.25 | boxxertrumps | i keep running into FAT's file limit per directory |
| 22:00.33 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 22:00.33 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2 |
| 22:00.42 | valdyn | colblood: oops |
| 22:00.42 | tsauter | I am playing with selinux on lenny. I am wondering why I always get on avc deny message about ifup at system startup? If I start the system in enforcing mode, no network will be available. |
| 22:00.51 | rgr | colblood: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 22:00.58 | valdyn | colblood: so its only in sid , the newest nvidia drivers |
| 22:01.27 | rgr | the newest are not in sid. Sid is old drivers too. But newer than lenny. |
| 22:01.34 | markybob | i'm glad i never had to work with selinux |
| 22:01.48 | valdyn | rgr: newer is just beta drivers? |
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| 22:02.03 | rgr | newer is "newer". beta or not. |
| 22:02.14 | colblood | so do i type sid instead of lenny just? |
| 22:02.22 | valdyn | colblood: yes |
| 22:02.27 | colblood | right |
| 22:02.39 | valdyn | colblood: but if you want a sane system you be careful that you only get nvidia packages from sid |
| 22:02.51 | hanshenrik | whats the name of that bot? dpkg? dkpg? dpkg? forgot :p |
| 22:02.52 | colblood | valdyn: i get this: http://pastebin.ca/1593198 |
| 22:03.02 | rgr | colblood: do not do this or you will wreck your system if you update and upgrade. Look at the link I posted above. |
| 22:03.22 | rgr | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 22:03.23 | colblood | i dont intend to upgrade the whole system |
| 22:03.31 | valdyn | colblood: i already told you a few time that the kernel package has to be built before the nvidia-glx package can be installed |
| 22:03.40 | colblood | again? |
| 22:03.43 | rgr | read that link. trust me. all hell can break loose. be really sure you want this :-) |
| 22:03.51 | boxxertrumps | dpkg: hello |
| 22:03.51 | dpkg | moin moin |
| 22:04.13 | valdyn | colblood: every time you change version |
| 22:04.15 | boxxertrumps | dpkg: apt |
| 22:04.16 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 22:04.28 | rgr | not if he installs the debian way. Its taken care of. |
| 22:04.37 | colblood | uhm.. i cant remember what that was i ran |
| 22:04.48 | valdyn | colblood: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:04.53 | colblood | ah |
| 22:05.12 | valdyn | colblood: maybe you have to install the newest nvidia-kernel-source first |
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| 22:05.37 | colblood | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1593200 |
| 22:06.18 | colblood | says nvidia-kernel-source is already the newest version |
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| 22:07.01 | valdyn | colblood: so run m-a a-o nvidia |
| 22:07.06 | valdyn | colblood: so run m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 22:07.41 | rgr | colblood: read this : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 - its clear and includes detailed instructions on using the experimental drivers. |
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| 22:08.17 | valdyn | experimental? |
| 22:08.19 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:08.24 | rgr | (as well) |
| 22:08.44 | rgr | try reading or looking before showing disdain. |
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| 22:08.55 | rgr | Its a well penned article. |
| 22:09.16 | colblood | got a nice little script from kano, thx man :) it's working now |
| 22:09.17 | rgr | And since colblood wants some cutting edge stuff it might well help. |
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| 22:13.59 | Absolute0 | how can I controll my sound volume via a single command? aumix is not able to connect to the sound system, but alsamixer works. I want a simple command to raise/decrease volume by N%. |
| 22:14.12 | Absolute0 | ie: aumix -v+5 aumix -v-5 |
| 22:14.19 | Absolute0 | those don't work in debian for some reason |
| 22:14.25 | Absolute0 | $ aumix -v+5 |
| 22:14.25 | Absolute0 | aumix: error opening mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 22:15.57 | Kano | Absolute0: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:16.35 | Absolute0 | i need to install oss |
| 22:16.37 | Absolute0 | weird |
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| 22:17.08 | hanshenrik | hanshenrik>what do you eat? |
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| 22:17.10 | hanshenrik | <dpkg>are you using Windows? |
| 22:17.11 | hanshenrik | <hanshenrik>yes |
| 22:17.13 | hanshenrik | <dpkg>really??? wohoo! |
| 22:18.50 | Absolute0 | What's the difference between alsa-oss and oss-compat? |
| 22:19.13 | Kano | the alsa-oss package contains the aoss wrapper |
| 22:19.17 | valdyn | Absolute0: read the package description |
| 22:19.29 | Absolute0 | descriptions sound similar. :) |
| 22:19.32 | Absolute0 | that's why i asked. |
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| 22:19.44 | Absolute0 | one is oss compatibility the other is a wrapper |
| 22:19.50 | Absolute0 | those words sound like they do the same thing |
| 22:20.15 | valdyn | Absolute0: oss compatibility refers to the kernel modules snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_seq_oss |
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| 22:20.51 | valdyn | Absolute0: those do cripple alsa ( a little ) you dont want those |
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| 22:21.04 | Absolute0 | so how do i get aumix to work? |
| 22:21.09 | Absolute0 | it works with oss-compat |
| 22:21.30 | Absolute0 | or is there a better alternative to aumix? |
| 22:21.42 | valdyn | Absolute0: get rid of the compat again and use amixer |
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| 22:22.45 | valdyn | Absolute0: might have to purge oss-compat, not just remove |
| 22:22.53 | Absolute0 | ugh |
| 22:22.59 | valdyn | Absolute0: but maybe the crippling side effect doesn't affect you |
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| 22:25.21 | sulphur | ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin |
| 22:25.21 | sulphur | Error loading the runtime (libnss3.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64) |
| 22:25.25 | sulphur | any solution |
| 22:25.28 | sulphur | ?? |
| 22:25.43 | Kano | sulphur: install the 32 bit lib |
| 22:25.51 | sulphur | have it |
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| 22:27.42 | valdyn | wow nice, deleting flash: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
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| 22:30.30 | sulphur | Kano what lib |
| 22:30.35 | sulphur | maybe i don't have all |
| 22:31.30 | valdyn | ia32-libs-libnss3 |
| 22:32.00 | valdyn | or maybe: ia32-libs-xulrunner |
| 22:33.04 | sulphur | ia32-libs-libnss3 i have it |
| 22:33.14 | sulphur | ia32-libs-xulrunner i have it |
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| 22:34.02 | sulphur | i habe ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 22:34.07 | sulphur | too |
| 22:34.14 | sulphur | some sugesrion |
| 22:34.19 | sulphur | to run AdobeAir |
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| 22:36.32 | cmyers | ugh, so angry. I'm trying to build a perl module from a cpan package - and dh-make-perl used to work great, but now it seems to smart for its own good. It is trying to sign my package and for some reason it won't use my pgp key. I don't care about signing but i see no way to disable it. |
| 22:36.52 | cmyers | does anyone know how to make dh-make-perl + debuild shut up and do what I want? |
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| 22:37.50 | valdyn | cmyers: failure to sign breaks anything? |
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| 22:38.15 | cmyers | valdyn: debuild: fatal error at line 1245: |
| 22:38.15 | cmyers | running debsign failed |
| 22:38.25 | valdyn | cmyers: thats probably not fatal |
| 22:38.51 | cmyers | valdyn: fatal errors that aren't fatal are awesome. |
| 22:38.58 | valdyn | cmyers: so look for the deb |
| 22:39.00 | cmyers | *smack head* |
| 22:39.02 | cmyers | sure enough the deb is there |
| 22:39.20 | cmyers | *sigh* I'm a moron. |
| 22:39.20 | AimHere | Rumours of your process' death were exaggerated |
| 22:39.20 | cmyers | still, that error message should be fixe.d |
| 22:39.22 | themill | cmyers: it's fatal for making a proper package with a .changes file for an archive, it's not fatal for making a deb |
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| 22:39.56 | cmyers | I really plowed through about 4 "real" problems before hitting that one and running to the IRC channel =) |
| 22:40.20 | colblood | hmm, my media keys for my logitech dinovo mini isnt recognized under debian 5.0.3 (was under ubuntu 8.10/9.04 tho), any ideas how to fix? |
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| 22:40.49 | AimHere | Did you have the keys setup using your xorg.conf? |
| 22:42.01 | AimHere | I had to change my compose key so that it was setup using a 'setxkbmap -option foo' line in the .xinitrc or .Xsession files |
| 22:42.38 | AimHere | Debian's xorg changed in a slightly annoying way |
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| 22:43.37 | colblood | AimHere: not 100% what that means |
| 22:44.16 | AimHere | Okay, fair enough. Maybe Ubuntu just does things automatically in a way that Debian doesn't |
| 22:45.47 | valdyn | colblood: when you run "gnome-keybinding-properties" and try to set a key theres no reaction? |
| 22:46.34 | ribasushi_ | :( |
| 22:46.35 | ribasushi_ | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/ |
| 22:46.37 | ribasushi_ | is there a mirror? |
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| 22:49.01 | colblood | hmm, maybe got it working, but my keyboard is in us format, not se... |
| 22:49.52 | abrotman | ribasushi_: doubtful, been down for awhile |
| 22:50.03 | ribasushi_ | gah |
| 22:50.09 | ribasushi_ | allright, snapshots here I come |
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| 22:50.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:54.24 | hanshenrik | got a friend that got a VPS running debian lenny, and he is under DoS attack.. anyway, no grapical system, how can he see internet usage/number of tcp-connections? |
| 22:54.50 | hanshenrik | (or DDoS attack, dont really know, but its not a strong vps) |
| 22:54.54 | vizzy | lsof -i |
| 22:55.43 | markybob | hanshenrik, install http://deflate.medialayer.com/ |
| 22:56.09 | hanshenrik | medialayer? o.0 |
| 22:56.19 | hanshenrik | oh |
| 22:56.33 | hanshenrik | (sounded like some movie-compression codec or something xD) |
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| 22:57.25 | krushik | how can I check the ati radeon video card's temperature? |
| 22:57.48 | krushik | I'm running opensource driver |
| 22:58.09 | abrotman | not sure you can |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | there is a #radeon that may know, though it might also be a kernel thing |
| 22:58.59 | krushik | I found that with a proprietary driver it is just aticonfig --od-gettemperature |
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| 23:00.07 | colblood | can i convert an ntfs partition to ext3 without losing data? |
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| 23:02.52 | abrotman | colblood: you mean without doing a backup/format/restore ? no |
| 23:03.01 | colblood | k |
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| 23:04.55 | asdnn | hi guys. i'm having a problem with debian lenny. i installed and everything was ok, but today (after 3 months using lenny) my networks disappeared. gnome manual network configuration it says: no network defices have been found. anyone can help me please? i already googled and did the network edit but it's still not working |
| 23:05.56 | asdnn | my definitions on /etc/network/interfaces are: "#the loopback netowrk interface |
| 23:05.58 | asdnn | auto lo |
| 23:06.06 | Rienzilla | well |
| 23:06.06 | asdnn | iface eth0 inet loopback |
| 23:06.15 | Rienzilla | what does ip li ls return>? |
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| 23:07.04 | asdnn | "the primary network interface allow-hoplug eth0 iface eth0:x inet static address 192.168.1.25 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 gateway 192.168.1.2 |
| 23:07.10 | asdnn | wait let me check |
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| 23:09.05 | asdnn | 1: lo:zLOOPBACK< mtu 16436 qdisc noop state DOWN link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00:00 2: eth0: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP, LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 link/ether 00:11:d8 bla bla bla |
| 23:09.33 | Rienzilla | ok |
| 23:09.44 | Rienzilla | well that tells us that there is a network interface |
| 23:10.02 | Rienzilla | and ip addr ls? |
| 23:10.06 | asdnn | yeah, until yesterday everything was working ok |
| 23:10.07 | asdnn | wait |
| 23:10.23 | JPT | ifconfig? |
| 23:10.32 | asdnn | let me use a pen so i can copy you the results |
| 23:10.36 | asdnn | faster than writing |
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| 23:13.05 | Rienzilla | all im interested in is whether eth0 ha has an ip address |
| 23:13.15 | asdnn | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu 16436 qdisc noop state DOWN |
| 23:13.15 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.15 | asdnn | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 |
| 23:13.15 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.15 | asdnn | n# ip addr ls |
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| 23:13.27 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.29 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.30 | Rienzilla | whops |
| 23:13.31 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.33 | Rienzilla | use a pastebin |
| 23:13.33 | asdnn | n# ifconfig |
| 23:13.35 | asdnn | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:d8:61:59:9f |
| 23:13.37 | Hideo | stop it! |
| 23:13.37 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.39 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.41 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.43 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.45 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.47 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.49 | asdnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.50 | markybob | asdnn, hey dumbass, learn |
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| 23:14.16 | asdnn | yeah i just though you had a bot so i can /msn bot and it pastes it |
| 23:14.18 | dondelelcaro | asdnn: please do not paste here. |
| 23:14.22 | asdnn | i know |
| 23:14.31 | asdnn | yeah i just though you had a bot so i can /msn bot and it pastes it |
| 23:14.53 | markybob | yeah, i'm sure msning the bot does great things. wtf |
| 23:15.26 | markybob | loads up windows messenger |
| 23:15.28 | JPT | msn is the number of a isdn device... |
| 23:15.45 | asdnn | like, you /msg bot and it automaticaly pastebin and gives the linkl |
| 23:16.04 | JPT | do not expect intelligent technology like that. |
| 23:16.11 | JPT | opening your browser is faster |
| 23:16.25 | asdnn | http://pastebin.com/d67f1b3c3 |
| 23:16.31 | markybob | asdnn, oh, in your mind msn and msg are the same thing? neat world you must live in |
| 23:16.46 | asdnn | no i mistake writing |
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| 23:17.04 | Rienzilla | and /etc/network/interfaces has the correct allow-hotplug and iface statements (with the same interface name?) |
| 23:18.32 | Rienzilla | (does ifup eth0 have any effect?) |
| 23:18.39 | asdnn | wait |
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| 23:19.15 | asdnn | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface lo before doing NFS mounts ( warning) |
| 23:19.41 | Rienzilla | does it have network now? |
| 23:20.01 | asdnn | no |
| 23:20.16 | asdnn | funny, before i could ping my routers, now network is unreachable |
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| 23:23.29 | asdnn | when i do ifconfig it was suposed to be there a lo interface rigth? instead it's only eth0 :S |
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| 23:29.02 | asdnn | fuck |
| 23:29.14 | asdnn | problem solved |
| 23:29.19 | asdnn | many thanks to all |
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| 23:30.10 | asdnn | markybob, try not to be so rude next time, linux newbies migth be afraid of linux community cuz guys like you ;) |
| 23:30.31 | asdnn | Rienzilla, i just configured everything again from command line |
| 23:30.39 | asdnn | and it start working |
| 23:30.45 | asdnn | many thanks anyway |
| 23:30.46 | asdnn | :) |
| 23:31.10 | asdnn | still i don't see any interfaces on network manager |
| 23:31.13 | asdnn | gonna restart it |
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| 23:31.30 | nevyn | astartoth: umm |
| 23:31.41 | nevyn | asdnn: it' won't show up in network manager |
| 23:31.44 | nevyn | at least it shouldn't |
| 23:31.58 | Rienzilla | np |
| 23:32.03 | nevyn | it has a static configuration in ifupdown |
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| 23:32.10 | asdnn | no? why? before it apeared eth0 and wireless networks :S |
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| 23:33.15 | guysoft42 | hi all, why if i plug a CDC serial device, my system sends to it right away AT CGAP ? |
| 23:33.52 | asdnn | shit, i loged off from user, loged back in and network not working again :S:S:S:S |
| 23:33.54 | asdnn | wtf? |
| 23:34.06 | Rienzilla | huh :) |
| 23:34.13 | nevyn | I really hate network manager for that reason |
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| 23:35.34 | asdnn | why did this appened? i want to write the definitions so when i come back another day everything is working lolol |
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| 23:37.21 | asdnn | oh i see |
| 23:37.25 | asdnn | it's only temporary commands |
| 23:37.34 | asdnn | for permanet i need to edit the file |
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| 23:38.12 | nevyn | what's temporary commands? |
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| 23:38.50 | asdnn | when i do ifconfig something it will work only for that session |
| 23:39.06 | asdnn | log out and log in and it dissapeared |
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| 23:42.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | edit /etc/network/interfaces then? it won't disappear. |
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| 23:44.32 | Foxx_ | any preseed people about ? how can I suppress the 'enter the hostname for this system' during install - it's correctly being assigned via dhcp and the dialogue box has it correctly filled out but I still get the window sitting on screen with <continue> / <go back> ... this is the last thing to fix on my completely unattended install - so any help appreciated :D (I've tried d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname |
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| 23:45.52 | wget-stops | I am downloading a 700 MB file with the command wget -t inf -c http://website.com/700megfile but after a minute of downloading at 150K, the download speed slows down until the download stalls and the only way to restart the download is by pressing ctrl c but after a minute the same problem happens again. what gives? |
| 23:46.02 | asdnn | yes i'm doing that just tell me: i use the up route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.1 where 192.168.2.0 is my address and 192.168.2.1 my router rigth? |
| 23:46.21 | wget-stops | it is not my internet connection because i can download with wget other files from other websites and do not have that problem |
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| 23:46.50 | cmyers | wget: maybe the problem is the webserver you are downloading that file from? |
| 23:47.26 | wget-stops | maybe but how can i solve it? |
| 23:47.42 | cmyers | uh, don't use slow webservers? why do you think this is a debian problem? |
| 23:47.58 | AimHere | You could set up a job that sends a SIGKILL to your wget every minute |
| 23:48.00 | AimHere | :) |
| 23:48.16 | wget-stops | how can this newbie do that? |
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| 23:48.45 | AimHere | Umm, that was kindof a joke. |
| 23:49.23 | AimHere | Sending SIGKILL with the 'kill' command does something similar to pressing ctrl-C |
| 23:50.26 | cmyers | wget-stops: sadly, we can't make your webserver you are downloading from not suck. There are a couple of possible reasons - the webserver itsself could be the culprit, or you could be on a network with bandwidth-limiting stuff that kicks in on a per-connection basis. |
| 23:50.34 | cmyers | though it was a joke, what AimHere suggested might actually work |
| 23:50.52 | wget-stops | but i do not want to just kill wget. after killing it i want it to restart itself and keep on downloading the file |
| 23:50.58 | cmyers | although it might also constitute a denial of service attack on the webserver |
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| 23:51.02 | AimHere | Actually it might be SIGTERM I meant |
| 23:51.39 | cmyers | wget-stops: do you know any shell scripting, or perl/python? or any programming language for that matter? |
| 23:51.43 | exobyte_ | will changing a hdX device's permissions to something like 444 prevent it from being modified? |
| 23:51.46 | AimHere | Obviously, wget-stops. I belive the next step would involve 'wget -c' |
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| 23:52.14 | AimHere | exobyte_, not if the process modifying it has root privileges |
| 23:52.19 | wget-stops | how can this newbie with NO knowledge of shell scripting or programming do that? |
| 23:52.36 | cmyers | wget-stops: ask someone who does know to do it for you, or spend the time to learn yourself. |
| 23:53.02 | hedos | Hi. I'm connecting from a Windows machine to my Debian machine via PuTTY/SSH and despite choosing UTF-8 as the character set, I cannot type accents (like é, à , ê, etc.). |
| 23:53.26 | cmyers | hedos: does putty support UTF8? I didn't think it does. |
| 23:53.29 | hedos | When I try typing those, either nothing happens or some emacs function is triggered. |
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| 23:54.04 | hedos | cmyers: supposed to |
| 23:54.19 | exobyte_ | AimHere: hmm... any ideas on preventing it from getting modified if I'm root? |
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| 23:54.24 | cmyers | hedos, are your env variables set right? LANG, LC_ALL, etc? |
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| 23:55.53 | hedos | cmyers: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:56.00 | hedos | for the rest I'm not sure if it's right |
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| 23:56.14 | hedos | when I type "locale" LANG is as I just said and the rest is POSIX |
| 23:56.35 | AimHere | exobyte_, I can't think of any. |
| 23:56.53 | AimHere | hedos, are you typing the accents the Windows way or the Linux way? |
| 23:57.24 | hedos | AimHere: The Windows way I would assume. |
| 23:57.28 | cmyers | hedos: did you set putty to utf8 explicity? |
| 23:57.33 | hedos | cmyers: yes |
| 23:58.45 | AimHere | You would assume? |
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| 23:59.27 | cmyers | hedos: I'm out of ideas =( all the encoding stuff is broke as shit, IMO, but I believe this should work. I would try to repro the problem with an SSH client besides putty to see if the problem is with putty, or your debian box. |
