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| 00:00.11 | haroelcabo | hi ! , Is it possible to have CUPS 1.4.1 in sarge ? |
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| 00:02.33 | iluminator101 | How can i connect to wifi and eth0 at the same time? |
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| 00:05.16 | cwheeler | you need 2 interfaces iluminator101 |
| 00:05.22 | cwheeler | what sort of wifi hw do you have? |
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| 00:06.09 | Arrowmaster | haroelcabo: you should probably upgrade to a newer release than sarge |
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| 00:13.13 | Darkedge | While using the "mkdir" command, How can I spec. an owner? |
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| 00:13.33 | seeS | you chown it after |
| 00:13.51 | seeS | mkdir mydir |
| 00:13.56 | seeS | chown sees mydir |
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| 00:14.13 | themill | Darkedge: or use "install" |
| 00:14.14 | seeS | install might do it |
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| 00:20.04 | haroelcabo | Arrowmaster: thanks |
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| 00:38.19 | bunicrin | is away: Estou ocupado |
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| 00:54.06 | bunicrin | is back (gone 00:15:45) |
| 00:54.33 | markybob | bunicrin, no one cares. turn off your notices |
| 00:54.58 | bunicrin | markybob, sorry.... tank you |
| 00:56.54 | cockroach | hmm, did 'ident sameuser' with postgres-8.1 on oldstable just stop working for anyone else with the latest update? or is it just me? |
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| 01:01.51 | themolest | is it possible to run a par2 (or similar) on a number of directory trees recursively, to simulate raid parity? |
| 01:02.06 | phix | hey, has anyone had any success with SOGo running in Debian? |
| 01:02.39 | phix | What apache modules do I need? do I need a special SOPE module or something? |
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| 01:02.43 | phix | hi |
| 01:03.06 | themolest | i'm trying to recreate the functionality of unraid in shellscripts... i've gotten most of it done, and it's functional... I just need to figure out parity |
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| 01:04.57 | phix | unraid? |
| 01:05.26 | themolest | very neat, google it. They want too much money though, they price it per drive... and even have an upper limit |
| 01:05.30 | phix | so no one here has messed with SOGo? |
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| 01:06.04 | phix | hmmm why do it in shellscripts for? wouldn't that be a massive overhead? |
| 01:07.27 | themolest | phix it works by creating a virtual raid out of indepenant filesystems... and has one drive that runs parity, what's unique about it is they don't require the drives to all be the same, and upgrades are efortless |
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| 01:08.01 | iateadonut | is there a way to limit the number of connections a single user can have to a debian box? |
| 01:08.16 | themolest | i'm using shellscripts because i'm not that good with C, and its not a lot of overhead, i run the script in cron every 5 mins, and it finishes in a few seconds if there's nothing to update |
| 01:08.28 | iateadonut | for example, i have a user "john", and i only want "john" to be able to have one ssh connection at a time? |
| 01:08.33 | themolest | its a home server, not a lot of activity, but needs lots of total storage |
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| 01:08.57 | phix | iateadonut: yes |
| 01:09.30 | phix | themolest: nice |
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| 01:10.04 | iateadonut | phix: can you give me some keywords to do this? |
| 01:10.05 | phix | you want some assistance porting it to an actual language? :) lol, even python would be better than shell scripts |
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| 01:10.18 | phix | iateadonut: pam |
| 01:10.25 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 01:10.33 | phix | iateadonut: or man sshd_config |
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| 01:10.40 | themolest | well its actually tcl... but sure, if you wanted :) |
| 01:10.47 | phix | (there may be a config options for it) |
| 01:10.55 | phix | tcl :S:S:S:S:S |
| 01:11.04 | phix | who actually uses that any more? well besides for eggdrops that is |
| 01:11.52 | themolest | thats why i learned it... and its what i'm most familiar with |
| 01:12.30 | themolest | i know a little python, but not enough to make the script in any reasonable amount of time |
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| 01:39.31 | Oleg_ | Hi. Please tell me how to install rtorrent 0.8.5 from source on Debian 4.0 |
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| 01:43.28 | willyum | Oleg_: there should be some installation directions that come with it |
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| 01:43.55 | Oleg_ | I installed it |
| 01:44.08 | Oleg_ | but rtorrent stalls when it is connecting to any tracker |
| 01:44.18 | Oleg_ | I mean it displays "Connecting to.." |
| 01:44.29 | Oleg_ | until a tracker times out |
| 01:44.45 | willyum | check the error log |
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| 01:49.57 | MarcWeber | Where can I find current sources of debootstrap including lenny scripts ? |
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| 02:10.36 | k]t | ouch. |
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| 02:23.19 | Oleg_ | how do I check what version of libcurl I have installed? |
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| 02:23.57 | twb | Against my advice, $customer is demanding flashplugin-nonfree. Their site is not connected to the internet. How do I manually supply the file that flashplugin-nonfree tries to download during postinst? |
| 02:24.30 | twb | Hmm, perhaps I can just do it elsewhere and copy it into /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree, which seems to be where it looks. |
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| 02:29.09 | Oleg_ | people! |
| 02:29.20 | Oleg_ | how do I check what version of libcurl I have installed? |
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| 02:29.22 | twb | Oleg_: dpkg -l |
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| 02:30.41 | umarzuki | hi, i'm running lenny in vbox and i could not ping vboxnet interface ( i use host-only adapter). i already set guest's IP = 192.168.56.2/24 |
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| 02:31.35 | superjoe | hey, amarok 2.2 is released, can we have it in testing yet? |
| 02:32.31 | markybob | superjoe, no |
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| 02:33.33 | superjoe | markybob: ah, packages need to hang out in unstable for a bit huh? |
| 02:33.38 | markybob | superjoe, yes. that's the whole point |
| 02:33.42 | superjoe | right-o |
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| 02:35.37 | lobo99 | hello! I remove wu-fptd and install proftpd. In /etc/inet.conf stills appears wu-ftpd. I can't start my ftp server: ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 02:37.37 | markybob | lobo99, so edit your proftpd config to be controlled by inetd. or, like the majority of real sites (ibm, kernel.org, suse.org, debian.org, etc) install vsftpd |
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| 02:40.20 | Oleg_ | People, I need to upgrade libcurl and libcurl-openssl-dev on my system |
| 02:40.28 | Oleg_ | please tell me how to do it |
| 02:40.37 | Oleg_ | because currently I have these installed: |
| 02:40.40 | Oleg_ | ii libcurl3 7.15.5-1etch3 Multi-protocol file transfer library |
| 02:40.40 | Oleg_ | ii libcurl3-openssl-dev 7.15.5-1etch3 Development files and documentation for libcurl |
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| 02:41.16 | Oleg_ | so, please tell me how to upgrade to a later libcurl |
| 02:41.17 | twb | Oleg_: that is the most recent version avaiable for oldstable ("etch"). |
| 02:41.20 | Nonpython | i have a weird apt-get error, am i screwed? http://pastebin.im/131 |
| 02:41.52 | Oleg_ | twb: but rtorrent won't run properly with this version. The only way I can upgrade libcurl is by installing it from source? |
| 02:42.14 | lordlicorice | try backports? |
| 02:42.18 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: so upgrade to lenny |
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| 02:42.53 | Oleg_ | dondelelcaro: it's easy to upgrade to lenny? It's a remote server, so not sure it will be easy to upgrade. |
| 02:42.54 | Vratha | hi |
| 02:43.03 | Vratha | anyone here ever installed debian on a sheevaplug? |
| 02:43.11 | dondelelcaro | Vratha: it's been done, yes. |
| 02:43.18 | Vratha | i know it's been done |
| 02:43.22 | Vratha | but has anyone here done it |
| 02:43.32 | dondelelcaro | Vratha: well, then presumably that's not your question. Ask your actual question |
| 02:43.35 | phix | Oleg_: you still using etch? |
| 02:43.46 | Oleg_ | phix: well, this server has it installed. |
| 02:43.47 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: in general it is, yes. Depends on your precise setup, though |
| 02:43.58 | phix | Oleg_: ok well, you may not wnt to do it remotely incase something breaks |
| 02:43.58 | Vratha | dondelelcaro: good job. it isn't my actual question. however, it is a precursor question |
| 02:44.06 | phix | Oleg_: can you get physical access to it? |
| 02:44.17 | dondelelcaro | Vratha: consider the answer to be yes, and ask your actual question... |
| 02:44.19 | markybob | Vratha, stop. we dont care about precursors |
| 02:44.21 | Oleg_ | to the server? like pressing the computer button? no |
| 02:44.30 | lobo99 | markybob: ok with vsftp works, how can I " edit your proftpd config to be controlled by inetd" |
| 02:44.41 | Oleg_ | just tell me an easy way to upgrade to the latest libcurl |
| 02:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: the way is to upgrade to lenny. |
| 02:44.55 | markybob | lobo99, ask someone who uses proftpd. i have half a brain to use vsftpd :P |
| 02:45.01 | dondelelcaro | Oleg_: or install the version of rtorrent in etch |
| 02:45.12 | Nonpython | i have a weird apt-get error, am i screwed? http://pastebin.im/131 (please help me!) |
| 02:45.21 | Oleg_ | dondelelcaro: no, I wanna run rtorrent 0.8.5/0.12.5 |
| 02:45.24 | lordlicorice | Oleg_: again there might be a libcurl backport |
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| 02:45.40 | Oleg_ | lordlicorice: please tell me how to install it from backport |
| 02:45.48 | lordlicorice | google.com |
| 02:45.52 | Oleg_ | lol |
| 02:45.53 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 02:45.59 | Nonpython | vers |
| 02:46.17 | Nonpython | f*cking cat... |
| 02:46.35 | dondelelcaro | Nonpython: assuming you've killed ngircd, add an exit 0; to the second line of /etc/init.d/ngircd; and purge it. |
| 02:46.40 | lobo99 | markybob: thanks a lot! |
| 02:47.31 | lordlicorice | Oleg_: doesn't look like there is one http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=curl&searchon=names&suite=etch-backports |
| 02:47.32 | markybob | lobo99, welcome to reality. it's not all based on names |
| 02:47.35 | rudi_s | Oleg_: I think there is no backport for libcurl3 (according to judd), so you have to compile it yourself. |
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| 02:47.42 | Nonpython | thanks! |
| 02:47.46 | rudi_s | judd: versions libcurl3 |
| 02:47.46 | judd | rudi_s: libcurl3 -- etch: 7.15.5-1etch2 etch-security: 7.15.5-1etch3 lenny: 7.18.2-8lenny2 lenny-security: 7.18.2-8lenny3 sid: 7.19.5-1.1 squeeze: 7.19.5-1.1 |
| 02:47.49 | Oleg_ | Okay, I'll compile it |
| 02:47.53 | Oleg_ | but |
| 02:48.07 | Oleg_ | I want to make sure rtorrent will see the new libcurl, not the old one |
| 02:48.28 | rudi_s | !tell Oleg_ about simple sid backport |
| 02:48.35 | markybob | god i hate rtorrent |
| 02:48.54 | rudi_s | Oleg_: Install the new libcurl as package and then compile rtorrent. |
| 02:48.56 | rudi_s | markybob: Why? |
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| 02:49.10 | markybob | deluge has webui, cli, gtkui, all of which kick rtorrent's ass in speed and usability |
| 02:49.20 | lordlicorice | the make install should drop it in /usr/lib/libcurl.so right? |
| 02:49.34 | markybob | oh, and ncurses, too. (yes, ncurses is different ui than cli ui) |
| 02:50.28 | rudi_s | markybob: Is it it in Lenny? I only found it for GTK+. |
| 02:50.39 | phix | Oleg_: torrents are shit, don't use them ) |
| 02:50.42 | phix | Oleg_: problem solved |
| 02:50.50 | phix | :) |
| 02:51.02 | lordlicorice | then how do you download linux isos waah |
| 02:51.02 | markybob | rudi_s, for the recent versions, with all of its uis, you have to download it yourself |
| 02:51.07 | Oleg_ | rudi_s: okay, it says add "deb-src" |
| 02:51.20 | lordlicorice | exactly the same as the one already there |
| 02:51.24 | rudi_s | markybob: Okay, will have a look. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 02:51.24 | lordlicorice | except deb-src instead of deb |
| 02:51.39 | rudi_s | Oleg_: And with sid of course. |
| 02:51.44 | Oleg_ | rudi_s |
| 02:51.51 | Oleg_ | the instructions are unclear |
| 02:51.53 | rudi_s | Oleg_: Something like deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 02:51.59 | rudi_s | Just use your mirror. |
| 02:52.04 | Oleg_ | oh, ok |
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| 02:52.34 | markybob | rudi_s, it's more than a suggestion. i was deluge's head dev for a year :P you wont regret it |
| 02:52.59 | rudi_s | markybob: ;-) Just so I get this, I works fine in a cli/curses only environment? |
| 02:53.07 | markybob | rudi_s, yes |
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| 02:53.14 | rudi_s | markybob: Good :-) |
| 02:53.35 | lordlicorice | markybob: deluge doesn't have a qt interface right |
| 02:53.41 | markybob | lordlicorice, right |
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| 02:55.00 | lordlicorice | I'm trying to stick to KDE apps, but when I used deluge I remember it was pretty nice |
| 02:55.00 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 02:55.00 | dpkg | hello |
| 02:55.26 | rumpsy | Fiv files fails to play in lenny.... |
| 02:55.32 | rumpsy | Flv files fails to play in lenny.... |
| 02:55.44 | rumpsy | dpkg tell me about flv |
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| 02:55.56 | markybob | lordlicorice, really, it's best interface is it's ajax webui. as a gtk programmer, i'm still amazed at what those guys have managed via a website |
| 02:56.08 | lobo99 | bye! thank you! |
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| 02:56.29 | rumpsy | how can i play flv files |
| 02:56.39 | markybob | lordlicorice, i control it via my android phone every day |
| 02:56.49 | lordlicorice | markybob: wow lots of progress on the webui |
| 02:56.55 | rumpsy | please someone give me a suggestion |
| 02:57.10 | rudi_s | markybob: Just one last question before I fetch it, has the console/curses part all the features of gui/web? |
| 02:57.17 | lordlicorice | rumpsy: try mplayer |
| 02:57.21 | Oleg_ | rudi_s: ok, so how to download the source package of libcurl and run "apt-get build-dep source_package"? |
| 02:57.26 | Oleg_ | I mean |
| 02:57.40 | Oleg_ | I have to download the source package and run the above command on it? |
| 02:57.52 | markybob | rudi_s, gtk has the most features. then webui, then cli/ncurses |
| 02:57.57 | rumpsy | do you want me to build it? or fetch from debian? |
| 02:58.02 | rudi_s | markybob: Hm. |
| 02:58.04 | phix | rumpsy: vlc ftw |
| 02:58.27 | rumpsy | vlc ftw? can you please explain me |
| 02:58.35 | Oleg_ | rudi_s: I don't understand |
| 02:58.37 | lordlicorice | rumpsy: he's suggesting you use VLC instead of mplayer |
| 02:58.46 | phix | rumpsy: VLC for the win |
| 02:58.59 | lordlicorice | lordlicorice: go to the command line and as root run apt-get install mplayer |
| 02:59.00 | rumpsy | i'm using Lenny |
| 02:59.08 | phix | it can play any format you would want to play under debian :) |
| 02:59.14 | phix | rumpsy: that's nice |
| 02:59.19 | lordlicorice | phix: and it's evil |
| 02:59.21 | twb | Meh. Can VLC play movies in my existing xterm window? |
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| 02:59.46 | rumpsy | dpkg kingring |
| 02:59.46 | phix | twb: using ASCII art? |
| 02:59.46 | dpkg | kingring is probably cool |
| 02:59.46 | rudi_s | Oleg_: Well, you run the commands given in the help. First install build-essential, then build-dep libcurl3 and then apt-get -b source libcurl3. |
| 02:59.46 | phix | twb: haha, yeah I think there is a plugin for it to do that ;) |
| 02:59.46 | twb | phix: no, by writing to a window managed by another process. |
| 02:59.48 | rudi_s | But if this sounds complicate to you maybe you shouldn't try this. |
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| 03:00.02 | phix | twb: I am sure if you asked it nicely it would |
| 03:00.12 | phix | twb: there is a console control api thingy for it |
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| 03:00.37 | lordlicorice | lol that was supposed to be rumpsy <lordlicorice> lordlicorice: |
| 03:00.39 | rumpsy | well i try that now.. :-] |
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| 03:01.12 | rumpsy | debian.org is down |
| 03:01.40 | twb | phix: it has nothing to do with what's already in the window |
| 03:01.47 | twb | phix: it could just as easily be an xlogo or xload window |
| 03:01.49 | lordlicorice | rumpsy: no it's not |
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| 03:02.27 | rumpsy | I'm in india... its blinking here... not yet connected |
| 03:02.45 | rumpsy | urgh |
| 03:02.45 | lordlicorice | what, apt-get? |
| 03:02.53 | Oleg_ | Package libdb-dev is a virtual package provided by: |
| 03:02.54 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.54 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.54 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.54 | Oleg_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.56 | rumpsy | apt-get install mplayer |
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| 03:03.09 | Oleg_ | so, which one of those I should install? |
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| 03:03.36 | rumpsy | install a stable version |
| 03:03.56 | twb | rudi_s: Oleg probably shouldn't be compiling rtorrent from source, since it's included in Debian. |
| 03:04.12 | Oleg_ | twb: rtorrent 0.8.5? |
| 03:04.21 | rudi_s | twb: I (now) think so too .. but he wants a newer one .. |
| 03:04.46 | twb | Oleg_: you are seeing old versions because you are running oldstable. |
| 03:04.48 | gullstein | anyone know how I can get kini to load? (kinit initrd related not kde) |
| 03:05.02 | twb | Oleg_: if you upgrade to Debian stable, you will see newer versions of rtorrent (and everything else). |
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| 03:05.25 | lordlicorice | rumpsy: you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list to a better mirror from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:05.25 | twb | Oleg_: this is usually better than trying to circumvent the package system by building things yourself. |
| 03:05.35 | Oleg_ | well, I don't care. I just want to install the newer libcurl, so rtorrent 0.8.5 would run fine with it |
| 03:06.00 | Oleg_ | how do I install libdb4.4-dev 4.4.20-8 ? |
| 03:06.09 | twb | Oleg_: I'm not going to help you do something stupid. |
| 03:06.15 | lordlicorice | twb: he doesn't have physical access to the server |
| 03:06.19 | Oleg_ | it's not stupid |
| 03:06.20 | twb | lordlicorice: hm. |
| 03:06.52 | Oleg_ | All I wanna do is to upgrade to the newer libcurl and make rtorrent see the newer libcurl |
| 03:06.56 | twb | lordlicorice: though that SHOULDN'T be necessary for etch->lenny... |
| 03:07.32 | Oleg_ | rudi_s: how do I install libdb4.4-dev ? |
| 03:08.34 | lordlicorice | twb: "in theory" |
| 03:08.51 | Oleg_ | apt-get build-dep libdb4.4-dev |
| 03:08.52 | Oleg_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:08.52 | Oleg_ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 03:08.52 | Oleg_ | E: Unable to find a source package for db4.4 |
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| 03:09.02 | phix | bout time he was kicked |
| 03:09.10 | phix | Oleg_: sudo apt-get install ncftp |
| 03:09.12 | phix | Oleg_: solved |
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| 03:09.35 | Oleg_ | why would I need ncftp? |
| 03:09.47 | Oleg_ | oh |
| 03:09.48 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 03:10.30 | phix | it is a good file transfer app actually an even better one is rsync |
| 03:10.34 | phix | you should use that |
| 03:10.38 | gullstein | Oleg_: what version of debian are you running? If you don't want to listen to the sugestions given don't bother people and spend time reading instead |
| 03:10.47 | twb | gullstein: he is running oldstable (etch). |
| 03:10.52 | Oleg_ | yes |
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| 03:11.05 | Oleg_ | so, please just tell me how to install the newer libcurl |
| 03:11.59 | gullstein | Oleg_: Why would you run oldstable with no longer is sported? There is no patches or anything for security breaks. |
| 03:12.19 | Oleg_ | because that's what they installed for me |
| 03:13.09 | gullstein | Oleg_: So upgrade it, it's quite painless and quite quick, it's not like upgrading win98 to winME |
| 03:13.24 | Oleg_ | please tell me how to upgrade it on the remote server |
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| 03:14.51 | gullstein | vim /etc/apt/sources.list and change etch into lenny on all the lines. |
| 03:15.15 | Oleg_ | and? |
| 03:15.27 | Oleg_ | would I have to reboot the server? |
| 03:15.39 | gullstein | apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade if I r ember correctly, google is your friend |
| 03:15.53 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 03:15.55 | twb | !tell Oleg_ -about etch->lenny |
| 03:16.18 | lordlicorice | gullstein: I thought it was full-upgrade |
| 03:16.41 | gullstein | You would only need to reboot if you want the new kernel, everything else should just stop and reload. |
| 03:16.55 | Oleg_ | what do they mean by "non-local mentions"? |
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| 03:17.58 | gullstein | lordlicorice: Maybe, I'm quite shure I used apt-get dist-upgrade. is full-upgrade a aptitude option? |
| 03:19.04 | lordlicorice | you're right I think |
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| 03:19.26 | twb | Oleg_: "non-local" means entries that aren't referring to your own custom apt repos |
| 03:19.34 | twb | Oleg_: in your case, probably all of them |
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| 03:23.33 | Oleg_ | now generating locales (installing lenny) |
| 03:24.12 | lordlicorice | Oleg_ has left this server (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). |
| 03:24.14 | lordlicorice | :) |
| 03:24.43 | Oleg_ | lol |
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| 03:25.18 | Oleg_ | for how long it's gonna generate locales? |
| 03:25.30 | Oleg_ | hopefully, it's not a long process |
| 03:26.00 | rumpsy | o_O still flv files fails to play |
| 03:26.15 | rumpsy | i hate that flv files |
| 03:26.22 | lordlicorice | what's the command line output |
| 03:26.29 | lordlicorice | mplayer /path/to/video.flv |
| 03:26.48 | rumpsy | i did that |
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| 03:27.37 | rumpsy | error msg "cannot find codec for audio format 0xA" |
| 03:27.53 | rumpsy | !hate flv |
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| 03:36.00 | objorn | how can you tell what is using the audio of the system? |
| 03:36.25 | seeS | if you know the sound device file you could use fuser |
| 03:36.49 | twb | objorn: lsof /dev/dsp, maybe |
| 03:36.54 | twb | Oops, fuser |
| 03:37.04 | seeS | either or, i'm biased :) |
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| 03:37.46 | objorn | Cannot stat /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 03:37.48 | objorn | fuser /dev/dsp |
| 03:37.49 | objorn | Cannot stat /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 03:45.01 | seeS | ok. try /dev/snd/* |
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| 03:46.41 | Bheam | hoi |
| 03:47.04 | objorn | http://pastebin.com/m96a8445 |
| 03:47.20 | Bheam | what's the life time for major debian releases, and is it viable to upgrade on a production server? |
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| 03:49.08 | seeS | what did you do then objorn? |
| 03:49.42 | Oleg_ | Thanks, guys! I upgraded to lenny and upgraded libcurl and now rtorrent runs just fine! |
| 03:49.59 | manu_zacharia | hi all, i am looking for a way to create a Live CD from an installed debian base system - so which one is the right option - bootcd or dfsbuild? |
| 03:50.27 | manu_zacharia | lookint for an ISO that can become a Live Bootable CD |
| 03:50.32 | manu_zacharia | *looking |
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| 03:54.39 | Rusty1 | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ << manu_zacharia see the faq maybe could work |
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| 03:54.55 | manu_zacharia | thanks Rusty1 |
| 03:55.48 | manu_zacharia | Rusty1: i want to build live CD (ISO) like the Debian Live based on my debian which is installed on my system |
| 03:55.58 | manu_zacharia | so looking for some scripts similar to linux-live |
| 03:56.02 | manu_zacharia | something debian specific |
| 03:57.38 | Rusty1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#Q.3AHowcanIconvertanalreadyinstalledstandardDebianpartitionintoaDebianLivesystem.3F |
| 03:59.41 | lordlicorice | that's one hell of a specific link :) at first I thought there was actually a wiki article called that |
| 03:59.43 | manu_zacharia | thanks rusty - but i have a doubt here - how it is different from this - will this be ok ? - http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/148 |
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| 04:01.02 | nnyby | i need to format UFS partition in debian, i can't find any info on this? is this possible? |
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| 04:02.42 | lordlicorice | nnyby: mkufs |
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| 04:03.21 | wei | hola soy de colombia |
| 04:03.30 | lordlicorice | nnyby: apt-get install ufsutils |
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| 04:04.44 | nnyby | lordlicorice: that package isn't available... must be cause i'm on sparc |
| 04:05.05 | nnyby | i'm downloading ufsutils from here http://ufs-linux.sourceforge.net/ maybe i can compile it |
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| 04:05.21 | lordlicorice | nnyby: it's on squeeze and sid http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ufsutils |
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| 04:06.01 | lordlicorice | nnyby: including sparc |
| 04:06.06 | nnyby | lordlicorice: okay thanks |
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| 04:08.13 | Rusty1 | manu_zacharia: methinks that the debian-live method would be more appropriate to trying to get an existing setup onto a live cd |
| 04:09.14 | Rusty1 | but YMMV, I havent tried either, had some luck with slax for building custom live cd's |
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| 04:19.02 | manu_zacharia | yes slax - ihave worked with linux-live and it works fine |
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| 04:19.10 | manu_zacharia | yes slax - ihave worked with linux-live and it works fine |
| 04:19.11 | manu_zacharia | let me see what is this "debian-live" method - any kind of link - really appreciated |
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| 04:23.56 | naquad | hi |
| 04:24.41 | naquad | i've installed apt-build, did apt-build source package, made required modification in /var/cache/apt-build/build/package and now i want to make a .deb package from this sources. how do i do this? |
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| 04:26.57 | sepult | naquad: there is normally a repository associated with apt-build |
| 04:27.10 | sepult | naquad: if you build packages they will be put there |
| 04:27.21 | naquad | sepult, how do i build a package? |
| 04:27.39 | naquad | sepult, i know about repo, but i need to build it first |
| 04:27.56 | naquad | apt-build build-source says Some error occured building package |
| 04:28.03 | sepult | naquad: apt-build build-source |
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| 04:28.24 | sepult | naquad: what kind of error |
| 04:28.32 | naquad | that's all it says: Some error occured building package |
| 04:28.35 | freenose | With aptitude can I know to package does a file belong to? |
| 04:28.41 | freenose | *which |
| 04:28.43 | naquad | oh, i think i got it |
| 04:29.04 | sepult | naquad: i can't help you further sorry< |
| 04:29.20 | naquad | i've already extracted package's tarball and now it can't extract it, the question is: how to make it don't extract traball again? |
| 04:29.30 | sepult | freenose: you use dpkg for that, dpkg -L blah |
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| 04:30.24 | sepult | naquad: dpkg-source -x |
| 04:30.39 | sepult | naquad: it's totally not ok extracting them manually |
| 04:30.43 | naquad | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 04:30.46 | naquad | found it |
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| 04:30.55 | naquad | i want a local version of package, what's wrong with that? |
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| 04:31.06 | freenose | sepult: Ok, I should read about dpkg, have never use it |
| 04:31.17 | freenose | sepult: aptitude is just a front end for aptitude right? |
| 04:31.30 | freenose | front end for dpkg I mean :) |
| 04:31.33 | [A]Li | hmmmmz |
| 04:31.49 | sepult | freenose: nope |
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| 04:31.55 | sepult | freenose: but you may assume so |
| 04:32.21 | sepult | freenose: they are very close to each other |
| 04:32.44 | sepult | naquad: nothing wrong with it |
| 04:32.55 | sepult | naquad: but dpkg has it's own format |
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| 04:33.13 | freenose | sepult: aptitude uses dpkg is some way? |
| 04:33.41 | sepult | freenose: it uses it yes |
| 04:33.52 | sepult | freenose: like apt-get |
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| 04:34.43 | freenose | k |
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| 04:35.24 | shivraj | petemc: hello |
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| 04:42.15 | objorn | seeS: i'm not sure what i did :\ |
| 04:42.40 | seeS | oh |
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| 04:52.31 | objorn | and i've restarted X server several times now |
| 04:52.45 | objorn | i even get the error when using just a tty |
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| 04:58.15 | bluejay_ | http://pastebin.org/36898 <- Can anyone tell me possible causes for this error? |
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| 05:00.38 | seeS | ok |
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| 05:00.54 | seeS | x3720 needs libicu40 |
| 05:01.09 | seeS | you could try to install the dependencies and see what happens |
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| 05:02.13 | seeS | sometimes you can be lucky and it will work, othertimes you will at least know what it wrong |
| 05:02.23 | bluejay_ | libicu40 is in unstable repo and i don't have it in my sources.list |
| 05:02.28 | bluejay_ | i guess i'll add sid main |
| 05:02.40 | seeS | or just download it and install it manually |
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| 05:04.21 | gullstein | anyone know kinit? kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/md8) = md8(9,8) |
| 05:04.21 | gullstein | kinit: trying to resume from /dev/md8 |
| 05:04.21 | gullstein | Attempting manual resume how do I enable/disable it? I got a computer where it works and one where it don't work. |
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| 05:18.44 | jaysn_ | heh |
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| 05:27.38 | Pnux | hello, aparently my internet connection died a little (a part of it actually died) and i cant access any webpage. Im looking for a way to shutdown the system now and restart it in a couple of hours, auto logging in on Xfce. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 05:30.20 | nostalgicBadger | anyone have any fun ideas for things i can do with a debian server in my living room? i bought this box on craigslist, and all i've really found to do with it is annoy my roommates with espeak through the living room speakers. |
| 05:30.58 | jaysn_ | nostalgicBadger: come to #debian-offtopic |
| 05:31.27 | nostalgicBadger | lol ok |
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| 06:11.18 | kosmic | What package contains `mkpasswd` |
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| 06:11.49 | seeS | it was a strange one from what i recall |
| 06:11.56 | seeS | whois |
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| 06:12.13 | kosmic | whois? |
| 06:12.19 | kosmic | Christ! |
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| 06:12.37 | seeS | yeah, im not sure why mkpasswd is in it but there you go |
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| 06:12.45 | kosmic | Thanks ;) |
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| 06:22.12 | ^shark_ | how it possible in bash to redirect to a new file second column |
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| 06:23.59 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 06:24.56 | seeS | hello |
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| 06:25.40 | mick_laptop | anyone use midi keyboard controllers on linux? i'm going to get an Edirol PCR-300 and I'd like to know what is involved (special drivers? what software can i use?) |
| 06:25.57 | mick_laptop | i just want to learn how to play the piano really |
| 06:26.05 | mick_laptop | w/o buying a piano :) |
| 06:26.35 | seeS | never tried it |
| 06:27.04 | Dongorongoro | USB MIDI worked fine on linux for me. |
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| 06:30.45 | mick_laptop | Dongorongoro: so what did you do to get it to work? and what software do you use? |
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| 06:31.01 | mick_laptop | or was it just "plug and play" |
| 06:31.35 | Dongorongoro | Hrm, I honestly don't remember-- it was a single package that I installed. |
| 06:31.43 | Dongorongoro | This was several years ago. :p |
| 06:31.54 | Shuro | Hello, i have a question: how i get xslt enabled in php5? on my server runs debian lenny |
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| 06:34.32 | mick_laptop | Shuro: sudo apt-get install php5-xsl -- then load it in your php.ini file and then restart apache |
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| 06:34.52 | mick_laptop | actually, i think it might already load it for you |
| 06:35.16 | mick_laptop | in some conf.d structure under /etc/php |
| 06:35.35 | mick_laptop | then just see if it is loaded |
| 06:35.56 | mick_laptop | php -m will tell you if it is there |
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| 06:36.28 | Shuro | xsl is included, but no xslt |
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| 06:37.20 | Shuro | mh, seems that my co-worker have installed it already |
| 06:39.18 | jaysn_ | glares |
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| 06:46.19 | mick_laptop | where else could i ask about playing music on linux? (ex: the keyboard question) |
| 06:48.08 | hoonteke | mick_laptop: here, perhaps, but you may have more luck with your local lug on IRC. short of that, you might find a forum website. e.g. I recently discovered answers.launchpad.net, which is not only Ubuntu oriented. |
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| 06:49.57 | hoonteke | I'm in the process of learning how to create and package .debs. I'm using pbuilder right now, but running into some problems. The tutorial I'm following appears to be borked in relationship to my setup. I'm new enough to the process that I'm not sure what questions to ask or how to start diagnosing. Is there a Debian specific tutorial that my Google-fu hasn't yet found? |
| 06:50.07 | mick_laptop | hoonteke: well, i've tried my local lug (in which i'm very much involved), and i've tried stfw -- since i've exhausted those means, i'm asking here |
| 06:50.47 | mick_laptop | hoonteke: /join #debian-devel |
| 06:50.50 | hoonteke | mick_laptop: alright, short of a #debian regular saying stfu, ask away. Room seems kind of quiet ... |
| 06:50.54 | hoonteke | mick_laptop: k.o. |
| 06:51.15 | mick_laptop | k.o.? |
| 06:51.28 | hoonteke | my version of ok |
| 06:51.48 | hoonteke | just saying it aloud in my mind. "Kay-oh" |
| 06:51.51 | mick_laptop | ah yes... dyslexia |
| 06:51.57 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 06:52.04 | mick_laptop | well i found ##music |
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| 06:52.09 | hoonteke | so what're your sound issues? |
| 06:52.12 | mick_laptop | w/ a total of 4 people there :) |
| 06:52.19 | hoonteke | hah |
| 06:52.26 | mick_laptop | hoonteke: none really, haven't gotten the thing yet |
| 06:52.34 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: that's just a midi controller; you generally need a usb midi card, or a sound card which does midi too |
| 06:52.57 | mick_laptop | ah crap |
| 06:53.14 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: how are you btw? |
| 06:53.23 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: in any event, http://www.midi-howto.com/ is hte best place to start |
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| 06:53.27 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: fine, just busy |
| 06:53.29 | mick_laptop | you probably don't remember me |
| 06:53.37 | mick_laptop | we met once |
| 06:53.41 | hoonteke | "Mr. Cellophane..." |
| 06:53.46 | hoonteke | ;-) |
| 06:53.51 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: where at? |
| 06:53.56 | mick_laptop | MIT |
| 06:54.00 | mick_laptop | GPLv3 conference |
| 06:54.04 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok |
| 06:55.10 | mick_laptop | long time ago (so it seems now) :) we were in the same committee |
| 06:55.10 | mick_laptop | thanks for the link, i'll check it out |
| 06:55.10 | mick_laptop | i'm new to this stuff :) |
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| 06:55.17 | dondelelcaro | np; midi on linux works fine, but it can be a bit odd when you're getting started |
| 06:55.56 | mick_laptop | hmm, i read that from TLDP |
| 06:56.14 | mick_laptop | didn't really point me in the right direction (so it seemed when i read it) |
| 06:56.35 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's the same howto; that's really all there is to midi (at least, from a hardware perspective) |
| 06:56.56 | dondelelcaro | most everything else depends on what you want to do with it and what software you're using |
| 06:57.27 | mick_laptop | right, i have no idea what software exists |
| 06:57.42 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: what do you want to do? |
| 06:58.33 | mick_laptop | all i really want to do is learn a few songs like "let it be" from the beetles. and play it on a keyboard w/o buying a piano |
| 06:58.40 | dondelelcaro | there are sequencers, synths, and various other toys that you can play with |
| 06:58.49 | jmarsden | mick_laptop: http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html#midi has a few ideas on software :) |
| 06:58.49 | mick_laptop | and i'd like to teach my baby how to play once i figure it out |
| 06:59.04 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: do you have a keyboard already? |
| 06:59.39 | mick_laptop | i thought that the controller was basically a keyboard minus the ability to play w/o having it hooked into a computer |
| 06:59.46 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: right |
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| 07:00.06 | sylar | is deskjet f4180 driver in lenny? |
| 07:00.18 | mick_laptop | this is what i have: http://www.amazon.com/Edirol-PCR-300-Midi-Keyboard-Controller/dp/B000OSASOQ |
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| 07:01.50 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: that may actually just work if you plug it in using the usb port |
| 07:01.52 | mick_laptop | sylar: look here: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html |
| 07:02.06 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: that is what i thought |
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| 07:02.23 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: assuming they've done it sanely, it should use the usb midi standard, and you should then be able to use timidity or similar as a software synth |
| 07:02.27 | mick_laptop | just not sure if there is some software that can help me learn to play |
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| 07:03.14 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: as far as learning how to play, I think the best thing might be to either get lessons or a book |
| 07:03.19 | dondelelcaro | (it's certainly the fastest way) |
| 07:03.48 | mick_laptop | i did see: http://pianobooster.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:03.51 | dondelelcaro | I don't know of any software that teaches it, but I've never looked. |
| 07:04.09 | mick_laptop | i figure it is like touch typing |
| 07:04.23 | dondelelcaro | well, not really |
| 07:04.28 | mick_laptop | and that can be learned through software (like tuxtyping) |
| 07:04.40 | dondelelcaro | but you can kind of get started going down that road, I guess |
| 07:05.03 | mick_laptop | hmm, sounds like i may just be looking at this from the wrong perspective |
| 07:05.17 | kelvinq | OT: Does anyone know how to force all network connections to go through a SOCKS5 proxy in Debian? |
| 07:05.41 | mick_laptop | i'm not a musician, so i might not be looking at it from the correct point of view |
| 07:06.23 | dondelelcaro | you certainly could get started by doing something like that, but you sort of need to be taught how to read music first |
| 07:06.30 | mick_laptop | kelvinq: afaik, you need to configure something like privoxy and specify that all apps use the proxy. it isn't that everything magically goes over the proxy |
| 07:06.38 | dondelelcaro | or at least, enough to get started; I don't know if that software does that |
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| 07:07.22 | kelvinq | mick_laptop: thanks for that. i was hoping that there is a system-wide method. some apps that i have do not have socks5 support. |
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| 07:08.51 | mick_laptop | kelvinq: when i did it last, i coded for it |
| 07:09.41 | mick_laptop | i was doing ssh -d and i had to have perl use the proxy, but if you find a system wide way of redirecting everything, let me know |
| 07:09.44 | kelvinq | mick_laptop: you mean you coded for a socks5 support? |
| 07:09.50 | mick_laptop | yes |
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| 07:10.09 | mick_laptop | there might be a way to do that with iptables |
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| 07:10.15 | mick_laptop | come to think of it |
| 07:10.34 | kelvinq | mick_laptop: will look in the direction of iptables. |
| 07:11.24 | mick_laptop | kelvinq: /join #netfilter and try there. i might be completely off though (it was just a hunch that you can do that with the firewall) |
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| 07:11.46 | kelvinq | mick_laptop: will do just that. thanks! |
| 07:11.52 | mick_laptop | np |
| 07:11.58 | kelvinq | mick_laptop: i like your hunch! ;) |
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| 07:12.57 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: what about software that could teach you what note was played -- would that be better to first learn the notes and then the sheet music and then how to play? |
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| 07:18.20 | mick_laptop | this looks interesting: http://www.lightandmatter.com/sight/sight.html |
| 07:18.32 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: I'd imagine it'd be more fun to do both at the same time; you basically want to learn how sheet music and the keyboard go together, and then once you've done that, learn chords. From then on, you can pretty much pick up the rest of the notation and get better on your own |
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| 07:18.58 | mick_laptop | cool, thanks for the tips |
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| 07:19.32 | mick_laptop | i learned this in school -- so i figure that i can pick it up again |
| 07:19.49 | mick_laptop | then again, the instrument that i played was the recorder :-/ |
| 07:19.59 | mick_laptop | i figure that the concepts are all the same |
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| 07:20.28 | dondelelcaro | oh, yeah, if you've already learned an instrument and how to read music, they're the same thing |
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| 07:21.31 | mick_laptop | but it was so long ago, i don't remember a thing |
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| 07:25.48 | mick_laptop | ok, this looks like fun :D http://www.instructables.com/id/Guitar-Hero-Clone/ |
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| 07:28.41 | mick_laptop | ok i think that will by next weekend project :D |
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| 07:32.48 | twb | mick_laptop: there's a Guitar Hero clone in Debian already... |
| 07:32.57 | twb | Some pygame thing |
| 07:33.28 | heroxbd | Hi guys. I saw a mail with "--cut here---------------end--" for qutation with console sessions. Is it generated by a tool? That looks cool. |
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| 07:35.05 | mick_laptop | twb: that is what it uses |
| 07:35.09 | mick_laptop | frets on fire |
| 07:35.19 | twb | yeah |
| 07:35.25 | mick_laptop | twb: but that is a guitar mod |
| 07:35.33 | twb | heroxbd: gnus can |
| 07:35.47 | twb | heroxbd: it's boxquote.el in emacs-goodies-el |
| 07:35.58 | OpenTokix | heroxbd: probably logwatch |
| 07:36.16 | mick_laptop | buy a $5 kids guitar at walmart and mod it to connect to your computer and play using it w/ FoF |
| 07:36.36 | twb | ,----[ a boxquote ] |
| 07:36.36 | twb | | Like this! |
| 07:36.36 | twb | `---- |
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| 07:37.39 | falstaff|w | Hello, i try to compile a cross compile toolchain according to http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers. But it fails, because libc6-armel-cross depends on libgcc1-armel-cross |
| 07:39.23 | heroxbd | twb: let me see... gnus and boxquote. |
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| 07:40.12 | heroxbd | OpenTokix: Do u mean log analysis? |
| 07:40.17 | twb | Actually gnus isn't necessary |
| 07:40.24 | twb | It's work in anything that uses Emacs as the editor |
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| 07:40.52 | OpenTokix | heroxbd: I might have misunderstood your question |
| 07:42.42 | heroxbd | OpenTokix: ic |
| 07:43.02 | heroxbd | twb: Do boxquote have different styles? |
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| 07:43.42 | twb | heroxbd: I don't know; RTFS |
| 07:44.21 | heroxbd | twb: Ha. RTFS. what does S mean? RTFM? |
| 07:44.33 | heroxbd | twb: Source? |
| 07:44.42 | twb | Yes. |
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| 07:45.00 | twb | Actually, there is an (info "(emacs-goodies-el)boxquote") manual |
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| 07:50.08 | shiftless | hi all. im currently doing a dist-upgrade on my system. im currently forced to use the crappiest ISP in the world, which operates over a satellite connection to hong kong. as if 8k/sec (MAX!) weren't slow enough already, now it appears that they are limiting individual connections to 2,397 B/s. i'd like to configure APT to open multiple connections to get around this limit. is this possible? |
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| 07:54.23 | twb | One of my sites has around 3400 baud, synchronous. |
| 07:55.01 | grazymax | hi all |
| 07:55.08 | twb | I worked out a trick using --only-write-batch and LVM snapshotting to generate .rsyncdiff files for their copy of the Debian archive each week. |
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| 07:57.30 | twb | shiftless: you could multiplex arbitrary HTTP connections using polipo's "poor man's multiplexing". |
| 07:58.05 | twb | This will require the other end to support HTTP pipelining, IIRC. |
| 07:58.27 | shiftless | do most HTTP servers support pipelining? |
| 07:58.52 | twb | No. |
| 07:59.57 | twb | "The pipelining of requests results in a dramatic improvement in page loading times, especially over high latency connections such as satellite Internet connections." |
| 08:00.00 | twb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining |
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| 08:00.15 | twb | So just find a mirror that *does* support pipelining, and multiplex to it. I guess... |
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| 08:00.33 | twb | Hmm, apparently "most modern web servers handle pipelining without any problem." |
| 08:01.00 | twb | Whereas the *browsers* typically have buggy or off-by-default pipelining. |
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| 08:03.20 | shiftless | looks like the easiest option will be use to use apt's --print-uris option to spit out a list of files to fetch, which could be cleaned up with a little perl script then sent to wget |
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| 08:03.37 | twb | Hmm, wget can multiplex? |
| 08:03.55 | twb | I was also assuming you wanted a permanent solution, not a hand-holding solution |
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| 08:04.12 | testi_ | How can I automatically run a task/script on any of the following event: a network device receives an ip-address |
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| 08:04.24 | twb | I suppose you could use "make -j4 all" and write the individual packages into a wget request |
| 08:04.44 | shiftless | well in two months ill be back home to my 6 mbit cable modem and this problem will be moot |
| 08:04.47 | twb | Er, write a makefile that does f: \n\t wget url |
| 08:04.56 | twb | shiftless: fair enough |
| 08:05.10 | twb | shiftless: you realize that 6mbit is more than, like, all of .au has put together |
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| 08:05.35 | shiftless | lol |
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| 08:05.46 | twb | testi_: maybe in /etc/network/if-post-up.d |
| 08:06.06 | shiftless | well this internet connection im on now makes me wish i had my old 56k dialup back, its that terrible |
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| 08:06.47 | twb | I once had to do VNC to a guy's laptop, who was an engineer in Kakadu national park, using his GPRS line. |
| 08:06.54 | testi_ | twb: thanks |
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| 08:07.12 | Hoxzer | twb: :O |
| 08:07.16 | twb | And of course when I'm using the phone for network, I can't talk to him to tell him to do stuff. |
| 08:07.24 | shiftless | gprs is pretty much how fast this connection is. except gprs is more reliable |
| 08:07.24 | twb | Those were the days |
| 08:07.44 | twb | shiftless: are you actually *in* HK, or just connecting *to* HK? |
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| 08:08.02 | twb | I thought domestic HK had pretty good connectivity. |
| 08:08.11 | shiftless | im in afghanistan, over an over satured satellite hop to HK |
| 08:08.18 | Hoxzer | twb: don't they have 3G there ? |
| 08:08.19 | twb | Nod. |
| 08:08.32 | twb | Hoxzer: this was in 2003 or 2004 |
| 08:08.51 | twb | .au now has 3g in metro areas, but probably not in Kakadu :-) |
| 08:09.04 | Hoxzer | I believe we had 3G here in finlnd tht day :/ in most of the cities |
| 08:09.19 | Hoxzer | ok.. |
| 08:09.27 | shiftless | yeah but thats finland |
| 08:09.41 | shiftless | today in the U.S. we dont even have 3g in most cities |
| 08:10.03 | shiftless | and a 768k connection is considered broadband |
| 08:10.04 | twb | .au government only just worked out that having a solid internet backbone is a cheap way to get an educated workforce |
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| 08:12.44 | shiftless | yeah, if governments were smart they would be putting their full resources into putting at least 10 mbit pipes to everyones door |
| 08:13.06 | shiftless | because the internet is the key to future progress |
| 08:13.10 | twb | That's what .au has proposed |
| 08:13.31 | twb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network |
| 08:13.52 | twb | Sorry, that's 100mbps, not 10. |
| 08:13.57 | shiftless | very nice |
| 08:14.10 | twb | Well, it's a politician's promise. |
| 08:14.10 | shiftless | the fastest i can get at my place is 16 mbit and thats $90/month |
| 08:14.27 | shiftless | but 6 mbit is plenty for me |
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| 08:15.18 | twb | Hm, I note that the best you can get in .au, ADSL2+, is notionally 24mbps. |
| 08:16.06 | shiftless | back home there are fiber-to-the-premises connections in some big cities, which are much faster, but not in mine |
| 08:16.10 | twb | Of course you'd only approach that if your house was next to the telephone exchange, and you were connecting to your ISP's Debian mirror... |
| 08:16.17 | shiftless | lol |
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| 08:16.44 | twb | The fastest I've ever seen in that circumstance was about 500kB/s (nb: bytes, not bits). |
| 08:17.04 | twb | Which is 4mbps, not 24mbps. |
| 08:17.08 | shiftless | wow |
| 08:17.30 | shiftless | ive hit 900-1000+ kB/sec on my cable. usually around 700-800 |
| 08:18.05 | shiftless | i deserve it though, i suffered with dialup for many years before i moved to the city, lol |
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| 08:19.26 | twb | An .au connection to .us will typically peak at 128kB/s (1mbps), from memory. |
| 08:19.51 | shiftless | wow you guys do need an upgrade |
| 08:19.53 | twb | Might be faster for ssh, I hear that .au <--> .us port 22 goes over a transatlantic pipe instead of satellites. |
| 08:20.08 | twb | I've never found an SSH server in the .us with a fat pipe to test with. |
| 08:20.20 | shiftless | you guys use SATELLITES for overseas connections instead of cables? |
| 08:20.31 | twb | So I'm told. |
| 08:20.37 | shiftless | that explains a lot |
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| 08:20.48 | twb | Satellites are fat, they're just high-latency. |
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| 08:21.55 | shiftless | yeah, fat for a single user, but very limited on bandwidth when we're talking about a continental wide service |
| 08:22.16 | shiftless | theres a reason satellite bandwidth is so expensive, and thats cause theres very little of it |
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| 08:23.25 | hogren | bonjour tt le monde |
| 08:24.57 | shiftless | bonjour |
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| 08:28.51 | hogren | il n'y a pas grand monde d'actif |
| 08:29.14 | twb | !tell hogren -about fr |
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| 08:29.38 | hogren | je deco |
| 08:29.40 | hogren | ++ |
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| 08:37.42 | Shuro | Hello, have someone this script? konsolescript 1.0.9 (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/konsolescripts?content=43873) download is down and google doesnt help |
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| 09:03.37 | cuco | i need to install debain, on a loopback device and boot it from grub. the loopback device is on a FS which sits on an LVM. is there someone who knows how this is done? |
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| 09:04.26 | OpenTokix | cuco: Why do you use loopback-device, just use kpartx on the lvm, then debboostrap on that partition |
| 09:04.47 | cuco | googles up kpartx |
| 09:05.02 | OpenTokix | cuco: it will change your life |
| 09:05.17 | macrobat | :) |
| 09:05.37 | cuco | OpenTokix: creating the loopback device and debootstrap is easy, convincing grub to use it will be the hard time |
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| 09:06.42 | OpenTokix | cuco: I am not 100% sure what you are trying to accomplish here tho |
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| 09:07.18 | cuco | OpenTokix: simple. my fedora is giving me problems, so I am trying to install debian into a loopback device on the rootfs of fedora |
| 09:07.32 | cuco | OpenTokix: i want to test how debian works on this machine |
| 09:08.14 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 09:08.21 | OpenTokix | livecd? |
| 09:08.54 | cuco | no, i want reall hw, real usage, suspend, hibernate, upgrade the real thing |
| 09:09.20 | OpenTokix | oki |
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| 09:16.00 | twb | You ought to be able to suspend-to-ram a livecd |
| 09:16.41 | twb | cuco: why are you trying to install from Fedora? It is a lot more difficult than booting debian-installer. |
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| 09:17.19 | cuco | twb: i don't want to kill my current install, and i have no available disk space. if you have a better recommendation - shoot |
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| 09:17.51 | twb | Hm. Then: what do you meant by "rootfs"? |
| 09:18.01 | cuco | cuco: buy a small usb disk, and stick it into your sd card, you cheap fart |
| 09:18.09 | twb | Rather, what do you mean by "a loopback device on the rootfs"? |
| 09:18.25 | twb | Yeah, installing onto a 2GiB USB key would be a very good, simple solution. |
| 09:19.10 | twb | You could fit a text install onto only 512MB, possibly even squeeze XFCE onto a 512MB key. |
| 09:19.22 | cuco | twb: dd if=/dev/zero /debian-disk; mkfs.ext3 /debian-disk; mount -o loop /debian-disk /tmp/debian; debootstrap /tmp/debian -> convice grub to use /debian-disk |
| 09:19.47 | twb | Yeah, that will completely and utterly fail to work. |
| 09:20.01 | cuco | the last stage? |
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| 09:20.04 | twb | You would do better to shrink your existing ext3 partition, and make a second one for Debian. |
| 09:20.30 | twb | Which is similar to how you'd install Debian onto a Windows box |
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| 09:21.15 | cuco | srinking an ext4 on an lvm makes my piss my pants. not happy about it. |
| 09:21.37 | twb | If you have spare space on the PV, you can just use that |
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| 09:21.47 | twb | Scrap your useless swap LV ;-) |
| 09:22.05 | cuco | twb: 3 days of work to get a machine back again |
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| 09:22.45 | twb | If your time is more important than your wallet, pay for a new machine to install Debian on. |
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| 09:23.02 | ruben | Hello |
| 09:23.27 | cuco | i will probably buy a new sd card for 20usb, and install debian into it. i can use it later as a USB disk (I have a connector) or to play music on my car |
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| 09:24.17 | twb | Note that USB keys and USB disks look exactly the same to the OS, so if you can boot from one you can boot from the other. |
| 09:24.26 | twb | And USB keys are big enough and cheap enough for a test root partition |
| 09:24.41 | twb | I usually care one around specifically to blow away and put new installs on :P |
| 09:25.15 | cuco | twb: i usually loose those, i lost 3-4 |
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| 09:40.47 | inckie_ | anyone of you guys ever installed debian on a eBOX-3851 ? |
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| 09:42.43 | _erik | hey there - i have a question about SSH - when i execute a remote command over ssh i.e. #ssh -YC 'mozilla' it launches in non-interactive mode but does not give me a complete remote environment |
| 09:43.24 | _erik | some applications do not work in this case whereas they run fine in an interactive session because the shell environment is complete |
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| 09:44.05 | _erik | how can i execute remote commands in a one-liner using SSH, using the complete environment as if it were a proper interactive session? |
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| 10:00.52 | remoteCTR1 | hi guys! |
| 10:01.31 | remoteCTR1 | i need to install maple version 5.1 but i have some serious issues with the required libs here, is there a way to have libc5 stuff installed on lenny? |
| 10:01.34 | Blizzerand | waves at remoteCTR1 |
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| 10:02.04 | Blizzerand | remoteCTR1 : can't apt-get deal with the dependency problem |
| 10:02.09 | remoteCTR1 | i know its antique but it wont work with libc6... |
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| 10:02.35 | remoteCTR1 | Blizzerand, which is exactly the point, would you consider this doable? |
| 10:03.37 | remoteCTR1 | so no answer is also an answer, right?:D |
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| 10:04.06 | manu_zacharia | Hi All, |
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| 10:04.25 | Blizzerand | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.35 | manu_zacharia | i have a custom debian live cd - i would like to have an install for the same - similar to Ubiquity - is there any debian based installer? |
| 10:04.35 | mefiX | hey guys. is it possible to allow normal users to reboot a debian-machine? certain group? |
| 10:05.02 | Blizzerand | mefiX : yes , as far as I know |
| 10:05.26 | mischief | mefiX, you can do it using sudo |
| 10:05.35 | Multiply | Which IMAP or POP3 should I go with? :P |
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| 10:05.55 | mefiX | sudo ain't an option, because the script has to run automatically without pw-prompt! |
| 10:06.06 | petemc | Multiply: dovecot works well |
| 10:06.18 | mischief | mefiX, you can have sudo run with no password prompting... |
| 10:06.18 | Multiply | petemc, for multiple domains too? |
| 10:06.21 | petemc | sure |
| 10:06.28 | Multiply | I'll check it out. |
| 10:06.35 | remoteCTR1 | Blizzerand, well thanks anyways:) |
| 10:07.06 | mefiX | mischief: really? how does it work? |
| 10:07.14 | mefiX | mischief: got a howto or smth. like that? |
| 10:07.32 | mischief | man 5 sudoers |
| 10:07.32 | manu_zacharia | any debian installer similar to ubiquity (ubuntu)? |
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| 10:07.49 | stuckey | What does "rc" mean before a package listed with "dpkg -l"? |
| 10:07.50 | mefiX | mischief: thx |
| 10:08.34 | mefiX | No manual entry for sudoers in section 5 << wtf? O.o |
| 10:09.07 | _erik | stuckey: residual config? |
| 10:09.23 | stuckey | What does that mean? |
| 10:09.32 | mischief | mefiX, do you even have the sudo package installed |
| 10:09.32 | petemc | stuckey: there is a list at the top explaining the columns |
| 10:09.37 | _erik | package was removed, but some config remains |
| 10:09.50 | _erik | you can remove the config with the purge command i believe |
| 10:09.55 | stuckey | petemc: ah, I did it with grep so I didn't see it. |
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| 10:10.19 | c03 | hi |
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| 10:10.22 | stuckey | To install nvidia drivers do I need to install nvidia-kernel-common and then do m-a a-i nvidia, or nvidia-kernel-source then m-a a-i nvidia? |
| 10:10.30 | c03 | My soundcard isn't found after dist upgrade |
| 10:10.37 | stuckey | _erik: thanks |
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| 10:11.51 | c03 | mp3blaster says "failed to open sounddevice" |
| 10:12.15 | Lirezh | I want to access my socks proxy through PPTP/VPN. does anyone know a nice way to do that ? |
| 10:12.21 | gullstein | Anyone has ay idea what to install, edit or create to make suspend2 disk work? |
| 10:12.31 | mischief | !tell Lirezh about openvpn |
| 10:12.35 | Multiply | petemc, suggestions for a smtp that goes well with dovecot, then? |
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| 10:12.44 | Lirezh | can openvpn tunnel through socks ? |
| 10:12.52 | petemc | Multiply: i use exim, both it and postfix work well |
| 10:13.05 | stuckey | I'm assuming I should have done nvidia-kernel-source, but m-a a-i nvidia didn't exit with an error... |
| 10:13.12 | Multiply | Pros cons? |
| 10:13.39 | mischief | Lirezh, read the docs |
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| 10:15.09 | Lirezh | Alright, digging into it. |
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| 10:17.19 | nachos | anyone here use radius and ldap? |
| 10:17.43 | stuckey | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers and I get a message in /var/log/Xorg that says something about (EE) failed to load nvidia kernel driver |
| 10:17.52 | Lirezh | thanks mischief, looks like it can |
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| 10:18.55 | amee2k | erm, how do i configure wired networks in networkmanager? |
| 10:19.48 | amee2k | it always tries to get a DHCP config from the wired net (but won't find any since it is statically configured), then complain |
| 10:19.54 | stuckey | I installed nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-kernel-common, |
| 10:19.57 | stuckey | I did m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:20.10 | stuckey | Then installed the glx libraries... regular and ia32 |
| 10:20.38 | azeem | is the kernel driver loaded? |
| 10:20.56 | stuckey | Azhrarn: how do I tell? |
| 10:21.01 | azeem | lsmod? |
| 10:21.20 | stuckey | azeem: lsmod | grep nvidia gives nothing |
| 10:21.38 | amee2k | mmm try "grep nv" ? |
| 10:21.49 | stuckey | amee2k: nothing |
| 10:21.55 | amee2k | iirc they abbreviate "nvidia" in their driver names |
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| 10:23.00 | stuckey | But dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-ia32, nvidia-kernel-*, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 10:24.54 | azeem | stuckey: so modprobe it? |
| 10:25.01 | stuckey | azeem: modprobe nvidia? |
| 10:25.08 | azeem | eh, yes |
| 10:25.19 | stuckey | FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 10:25.36 | azeem | sigh |
| 10:25.44 | azeem | stuckey: what does "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel" say? |
| 10:26.39 | stuckey | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/download/48255 |
| 10:27.10 | azeem | eh, download? |
| 10:27.14 | azeem | that's obnoxious |
| 10:27.24 | azeem | stuckey: what does uname -r say? |
| 10:28.37 | azeem | stuckey: hello? |
| 10:28.38 | stuckey | azeem: 2.6.30-2-amd64... |
| 10:28.52 | azeem | see the problem? |
| 10:28.58 | stuckey | azeem: Not if you use a browser that lets you view textfiles... |
| 10:29.02 | stuckey | azeem: Yep, thank you |
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| 10:29.51 | stuckey | azeem: so I need nvidia-kernel-2.60.30-2-amd64? |
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| 10:30.09 | azeem | yes |
| 10:30.26 | stuckey | azeem: where do I get that from? |
| 10:30.43 | azeem | you m-a a-i it |
| 10:30.55 | azeem | of course, if the kernel headers are not available, you won't get it |
| 10:31.11 | stuckey | azeem: I already did m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:31.23 | azeem | see my last line |
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| 10:31.37 | stuckey | azeem: So the kernel headers aren't available? |
| 10:31.47 | azeem | dunno, that'd be my guess |
| 10:31.53 | azeem | are you running testing or unstable? |
| 10:31.56 | stuckey | unstable |
| 10:32.07 | azeem | so wait till there are |
| 10:32.08 | azeem | they* |
| 10:32.21 | stuckey | In the mean time, what do I do for an X? |
| 10:32.37 | azeem | stuckey: just use the console |
| 10:32.56 | azeem | or the vesa driver or something |
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| 10:33.12 | stuckey | ah, good idea |
| 10:33.20 | stuckey | I just put "vesa" in xorg.config? |
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| 10:34.48 | stuckey | It might be better if I just stopped using unstable... |
| 10:35.01 | stuckey | Are headers available in squeeze? |
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| 10:38.26 | stuckey | azeem: what's the package name of the kernel headers? |
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| 10:40.58 | llutz | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:41.12 | stuckey | Okay |
| 10:42.19 | stuckey | linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 is available |
| 10:42.30 | stuckey | azeem: " |
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| 10:43.57 | umarzuki | [ot] what is the performance difference between processor with 12 MB L2 and 8 MB L3? |
| 10:44.54 | umarzuki | somebody asked for proc with 12 MB L2 but options were given proc with 8 MB L3 |
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| 10:45.40 | gullstein | Anyone has ay idea what to install, edit or create to make suspend2 disk work? |
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| 10:48.06 | OpenTokix | umarzuki: Depends on the usage |
| 10:49.19 | umarzuki | OpenTokix: what if for mailserver, which is better? |
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| 10:52.08 | jaui | Hello, using iproute, it's possible to assign a default route basen on a destination port? |
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| 10:59.54 | amee2k | what package contains usb_modeswitch? |
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| 11:01.02 | amee2k | there are posts from mid august that say it should be in debian soon |
| 11:01.43 | nachos | anyone know how to add users to LDAP? no? thaught so. |
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| 11:04.19 | cire_noni | If I want to know when kernel 2.6.x was released, where should I look for that? (I do not mean released by debian but by kernel developers) |
| 11:05.05 | Jagoo | if anyone in finland is wondering whats going on with the interwebs, ficix1 took a dump |
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| 11:05.15 | solar_sea | i'm getting a segfault when I run aticonfig --initial in amd64 lenny |
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| 11:05.18 | seeS | ldap? |
| 11:05.21 | solar_sea | is this usual ? |
| 11:05.28 | amee2k | cire: kernel.org maybe? |
| 11:05.30 | seeS | i just used any old ldap tool |
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| 11:05.48 | umarzuki | solar_sea: no |
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| 11:05.56 | mesa_booger | solar_sea: segfaults are totally normal in linux |
| 11:06.24 | amee2k | . o O ( and ati once again fails... ) |
| 11:06.47 | solar_sea | I've setup my deb. installation with vmware on a local drive and I'm really to boot it on the real hardware, but first I'd like to setup my screens |
| 11:06.58 | solar_sea | is there another way to use the fglrx driver - or any other open source driver ? |
| 11:07.06 | solar_sea | I don't need 3d, but dual-head support is a must |
| 11:07.18 | cire | amee2k: just searching there atm |
| 11:07.41 | amee2k | modification date of the files on their download page should give it away imo |
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| 11:10.20 | cire | amee2k: yeahh, you're right. Thank you |
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| 11:18.11 | crono- | Hi, has anyone seen anything like this before? # id halsti09 uid=20181 gid=3000(studenter) groups=4294967295 <- the groups section |
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| 11:18.12 | amee2k | crono-: its (unsigned)-1 |
| 11:18.12 | amee2k | sounds like someone used %u instead of %i in the printf line... |
| 11:18.12 | crono- | amee2k: hmm so basically its just the lack of a value from the nss source |
| 11:18.20 | amee2k | or otherwise screwed up because i can't really remember why someone would use gid -1... |
| 11:18.21 | crono- | would that stop people from logging in |
| 11:18.49 | amee2k | i can't say what it is, but it sure looks invalid to me |
| 11:19.06 | amee2k | iirc group/user IDs are unsigned short ints |
| 11:20.13 | crono- | hm actually i debugged ssh and saw this now.. login_get_lastlog: Cannot find account for uid 20181 so the problem is definitely with the nss/pam setup |
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| 11:26.28 | amee2k | um... which package contains umtsmon? |
| 11:27.07 | amee2k | or rather is there a search function that can quickly answer such a question (assuming apt-cache search comes up with nothing, and no, not google) ? |
| 11:27.26 | seeS | packages.debian.org has that |
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| 11:31.41 | amee2k | hm... that doesn't come up with anything |
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| 11:35.01 | stian1979 | anyone know how to load kinit? I gues I have to add it to the initscript somhow |
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| 11:35.11 | seeS | im pretty sure that means its not in an offical debian packaghe then |
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| 11:38.49 | seeS | ok, its not in the debian archive, there is a ITP/sponsor though |
| 11:38.55 | silidan | hi, i read trough the man page of mount but i still dont have a clue how i can mount an ext3 partition (/etc/sda8) with read write access for a given user (or all users).... |
| 11:39.12 | seeS | you mean /dev/sda8 ? |
| 11:39.18 | silidan | yea |
| 11:39.19 | silidan | sry |
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| 11:39.45 | seeS | hmm, you dont want to do a recursive chown then? like its a temporary thing? |
| 11:39.45 | silidan | i can mount it, but i never seem to get write acces.. |
| 11:40.16 | silidan | no its a partition of my harddrive, it can be permanent mount point |
| 11:41.03 | seeS | what flags are you using or what is the line on the fstab? |
| 11:41.17 | manu_zacharia | hi all |
| 11:41.28 | manu_zacharia | looking for how i can make my installed debian a live bootable CD |
| 11:41.29 | silidan | i didtn use fstab, cause i think i have to reboot for it to take effect... |
| 11:41.31 | manu_zacharia | any link? |
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| 11:41.56 | seeS | no, mount -a would of done it |
| 11:42.30 | silidan | you mean edit fstab, call mount -a and it would do what fstab tells it? |
| 11:42.50 | seeS | yep |
| 11:42.53 | seeS | -a means all |
| 11:42.58 | silidan | ok will try... |
| 11:43.23 | seeS | /dev/sda8 /blah ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 11:43.26 | seeS | should do it |
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| 11:44.51 | silidan | nope still no write acces |
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| 11:50.45 | silidan | need syntax for fstab to mount ext3 partition with read/write access to all users |
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| 11:53.40 | tarzeau | hi seeS |
| 11:53.56 | seeS | hey tarzeau |
| 11:54.04 | tarzeau | seeS: how are things going? |
| 11:54.25 | seeS | good, ive not been on irc for ages but though i should comeback on from time to time |
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| 11:54.42 | tarzeau | seeS: you're in .au right? |
| 11:54.49 | seeS | yep |
| 11:55.08 | tarzeau | seeS: i wanted to visit that for half a year, but postponed it because of sweden :) where are you exactly down under there? |
| 11:55.40 | seeS | why would sweden effect australia? |
| 11:55.55 | tarzeau | seeS: my travel plans. i was on holidays there for two weeks, and i liked it so much |
| 11:56.16 | seeS | oh right! |
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| 11:56.42 | seeS | to answer your question, near canberra which is the federal capital |
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| 11:57.14 | tarzeau | seeS: hehe nice, we got some computers having such names canberra.ethz.ch and sydney perth :) |
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| 11:58.00 | seeS | cool, it is just australian cities? |
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| 11:58.25 | tarzeau | seeS: no, also many others, but these came to mind, for the student room |
| 11:58.45 | tarzeau | seeS: my plan is if i come to .au to do perth, sydney and diving, then go over to new zealand, then back (3-6 months) |
| 11:59.11 | tarzeau | seeS: you're not on facebook right? |
| 11:59.29 | tarzeau | but i got your email. my travel photos are at http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/ check the sweden2009 :) was nice |
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| 12:00.05 | seeS | ok |
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| 12:05.07 | ewet | hi, this is very confusing... is there a howto, how to install web sites on apache2 the debian way? |
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| 12:07.02 | yucatan1 | hellow guys i'm looking for a web interface for rsync but i want a webinterface that i can use that i can backup my system to the rsync server thats running behind the web interface is this posseble? |
| 12:07.33 | seeS | im not sure ewet but once you know how its pretty simple |
| 12:07.46 | seeS | you just put the configurations in sites-available |
| 12:07.48 | jelly | yucatan1: possible, yes. Does it exist? I don't know of one. |
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| 12:08.31 | jelly | yucatan1: what is "rsync server running behind the web interface" supposed to mean? |
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| 12:10.40 | seeS | tarzeau: lots of different pics there |
| 12:10.53 | seeS | tarzeau: sydney should be a definite to visit |
| 12:10.56 | ewet | seeS, pu config into sites available and content into /usr/share? but I also have /etc/drupal6 for my drupal installation... this might me a symlink |
| 12:11.09 | smacnay | seems like my depian repository (ftp3.ncr.ca) is refusing connections... I must add another one to my sourse.list. |
| 12:11.29 | seeS | content can go anywhere |
| 12:11.43 | seeS | some people put it in /var/www/sitename |
| 12:11.48 | seeS | i have /home/wwwroot/sitename |
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| 12:12.40 | seeS | just make sure the documentroot line agrees |
| 12:13.34 | tarzeau | seeS: yes, thank you. the opera house fascinates me so much |
| 12:14.03 | seeS | it looks a bit like photo #1 and#2 |
| 12:14.03 | seeS | only bigger :) |
| 12:14.17 | tarzeau | hehe, the glow in the night! |
| 12:14.50 | seeS | a danish bloke designed it. yes at times it glows all sorts of strange colours for special occasions |
| 12:14.54 | seeS | otherwise it glows white |
| 12:15.59 | ewet | seeS, hmmm from what I can see here /etc/apache2/conf.d/drupal.conf is a symlink to /etc/drupal/6/apache.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-available only has two default files. |
| 12:16.16 | ewet | is this historical redundancy? |
| 12:16.28 | seeS | ah ok, yes thats one way of doing it |
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| 12:16.46 | seeS | id make another site and include that file |
| 12:16.57 | smacnay | what is the app that tests various deb repository mirrors and selects a fast one near you? |
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| 12:17.59 | Agiofws | does anyone know of a nice online web show case service that someone could display art ? or something like a an online customizable site ? |
| 12:18.18 | ewet | seeS, oh well so I just don't care about apache2/sites-available... okay thanks |
| 12:18.34 | seeS | smacnay: apt-spy |
| 12:19.03 | smacnay | seeS, thanks |
| 12:19.04 | seeS | it depends ewet. if you only will have one site then just edit the default, but i prefer to have each in a different file |
| 12:19.38 | majkl | Hello. Debian has in /etc/default/rcS option FSCKFIX=yes. But it looks, that that works only for ext2/3/4 partitions. Is it possible to "activate" this also for jfs partitions ? |
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| 12:19.49 | ewet | seeS, no I'll have my standard drupal6 and a drupal7 dev branch and I want seperate files as well :) |
| 12:20.02 | yucatan1 | i h ave debian machien with rsync server and apache2 |
| 12:20.04 | seeS | ewet: right, then id make different sites |
| 12:20.24 | yucatan1 | so i was wandering if there was something liek a web interface to connect to the rsync server and make backups to the rsync server |
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| 12:21.19 | mjt | folks, what's the way now with gdm &Co to execute a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsessionrc etc? I have a large set of commands in there, like setting up mouse movement thresholds, beep frequencies etc yadda. But I can't get it to run. |
| 12:21.33 | mjt | even if the "xsession" gdm session does not do it. |
| 12:21.37 | ewet | seeS, thanks for this little clarification ;) |
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| 12:23.00 | jelly | majkl: is there a /sbin/fsck.jfs present on your system? |
| 12:23.27 | seeS | the FSCKFIX just puts a -f option on fsck |
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| 12:23.57 | majkl | jelly: yes |
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| 12:25.30 | majkl | seeS: I know that, but it looks, that FSCKFIX is just for fsck for ext fs, not for the others fs |
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| 12:26.02 | seeS | err sorry a -y option |
| 12:26.12 | majkl | seeS: correct ;) |
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| 12:26.21 | seeS | are you sure? perhaps fsck.jfs doesnt understand a -y |
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| 12:27.39 | seeS | it appears to me, looking at fsck.jfs(8) online that it doesnt support the -y option |
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| 12:27.49 | majkl | seeS: hm, you're right. fsck.jfs has -a for that |
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| 12:28.42 | solar_sea | how do I add a specific module into initrd ? |
| 12:29.19 | seeS | put the name of it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
| 12:29.30 | solar_sea | I've installed debian on a real partition using vmware, but when I bare boot the kernel cannot find the hard disk |
| 12:29.36 | seeS | though i guess it depends on which initrd thing you used |
| 12:29.38 | solar_sea | ok, and how do I regenarate it ? |
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| 12:29.53 | seeS | update-initramfs is the program |
| 12:30.03 | solar_sea | i see, thanks |
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| 12:30.35 | majkl | seeS: so it looks, that only way is to write own init.d script, which will check if jfs was mounted and if not, that try to run fsck -a and try to mount again ? |
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| 12:31.13 | seeS | S21checkfs.sh seems to put -a by default |
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| 12:31.41 | rgr | can someone recommend an mtp front end for talking to a mobile phone please? For some reason my Sony Ericsson wont mount as mass storage. |
| 12:31.48 | yucatan1 | did somebody even user rdiff-backup-web |
| 12:31.49 | maginot | good morning, what the first steps to starting develop my own Dristro ? |
| 12:31.49 | yucatan1 | ? |
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| 12:32.26 | seeS | develop your own entire distro? thats a big ask |
| 12:32.29 | stian1979 | maginot: Find fellow developers? |
| 12:32.31 | rgr | maginot: come up with a silly name and splashscreen and then decide when you're going to abandon it. |
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| 12:32.42 | seeS | yeah, or what rgr said :) |
| 12:32.46 | rgr | :-) |
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| 12:33.25 | seeS | abandons his idea of seeOS with the cute smurfs |
| 12:33.28 | maginot | the thing is, I have a client, with a project he sells pcs and want a customized distro, so i thought about being based on debian, with apt-get support and things like that, but I hope to get help to find some usefull links |
| 12:33.50 | seeS | ok, why not just use debian? what needs to be customised? |
| 12:34.02 | asdf | somehow aptitude doesn't know it already updated wicd, now it's in some look upgrading from->to the same version. any ideas? |
| 12:34.07 | allu2 | hey |
| 12:34.28 | allu2 | i got to log in but now there is problems with xchat |
| 12:34.30 | asdf | loop* |
| 12:34.36 | allu2 | and actually xfce4 |
| 12:35.00 | seeS | is it updating the same version? |
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| 12:35.31 | allu2 | window decorations are missing |
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| 12:35.58 | asdf | seeS: yes, wicd 1.6.2.2 |
| 12:36.17 | asdf | i want to install something but i can't because the tray icon has the lock |
| 12:36.32 | rgr | pasted "phone failing to mount - errors" at http://paste2.org/p/455358 |
| 12:36.45 | rgr | anyoe hava a clue as to why the mount failed ^^ |
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| 12:36.57 | Agiofws | do you have to have a yahoo ID to register with flickr ? |
| 12:37.00 | maginot | seeS, imagine a production line... I need to have a install cd with the customized distro, like was said, with customized splash screen and all this sh**t .... so I can't just go from pc to pc customizing things imagine this process on 1000 boxes? |
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| 12:37.22 | toolz | I just restarted my debian machine and mysql seems to be down |
| 12:37.25 | toolz | and cant restart it |
| 12:37.34 | seeS | oh, thats different thing maginot. why not use one of those auto-installers like fai |
| 12:37.35 | Titan8990 | toolz, whats the error? |
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| 12:38.26 | toolz | http://pastebin.ca/1597824 |
| 12:38.30 | toolz | check this out |
| 12:38.33 | toolz | it appears to be running |
| 12:38.43 | toolz | I am trying to kill those processes manually but they reappear |
| 12:38.45 | seeS | you could then have debian packages for the standard stuff and then your own specific apt archive for your customised packages |
| 12:39.15 | _AnywhereIs_ | toolz just as i thought. you did removed debian user from mysql |
| 12:39.26 | toolz | I did not |
| 12:39.33 | _AnywhereIs_ | toolz or changed it's password |
| 12:39.41 | toolz | I did not? |
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| 12:39.42 | asdf | seeS: are you speaking to me? |
| 12:39.55 | Titan8990 | !tell toolz about debian-sys-maint |
| 12:40.24 | toolz | hey but I did not changed anything |
| 12:40.26 | seeS | ah yeah, line 15 |
| 12:40.38 | toolz | the machine was restarted because I accidentaly unplugged the electricity |
| 12:40.56 | toolz | and it was working fine before |
| 12:40.56 | seeS | no sorry asdf, that was for maginot |
| 12:41.20 | asdf | okies :) |
| 12:41.20 | Titan8990 | toolz, regardless, sys-maint is borked, follow dpkg's instructions on how to fix |
| 12:41.26 | stian1979 | maginot: Just use debian and get a build a kernel bether suited for laptops/desktops and get fbspalsj to make a fancy consolde decoration and some new themes. Done. |
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| 12:42.26 | toolz | then why cant I stop it? same thing? |
| 12:43.28 | NoReflex | Hello guys! I having some problems using traceroute on my debian box. I'm behind NAT and I can ping just fine. However if I try to traceroute to an IP I only get stars... *? I thought traceroute is based on ICMP like ping. Why does one work and the other doesn't? |
| 12:44.12 | seeS | no, traceroute is usually based on udp packets |
| 12:44.18 | RichiH | !etch key |
| 12:44.18 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 12:44.21 | Titan8990 | NoReflex, your question is better suited for #networking as debian really has nothing to do with it |
| 12:44.31 | seeS | udp out, ttl expired icmp messages back |
| 12:44.44 | seeS | there's a #networking channel? they got everything here! |
| 12:44.51 | jelly | NoReflex: there's also tcptraceroute |
| 12:44.52 | NoReflex | thx Titan8990 - didn't know there's a networking channel |
| 12:45.08 | Titan8990 | this is freenode, there is a chan for everything |
| 12:45.15 | allu2 | i can't get anvidia drivers work |
| 12:45.28 | allu2 | i can't get window decorations work on xfce4 |
| 12:45.38 | mesa_booger | Titan8990: is there a channel for people with no proper backups ? |
| 12:45.49 | NoReflex | jelly tcptraceroute returns stars too - only the last line - the one that's the same with the ip i'm tracerouting to - is displayed correctly |
| 12:45.50 | allu2 | if i try aptitude install nvidia-glx it wants to remove xorg |
| 12:45.53 | Titan8990 | mesa_booger, #screwed? |
| 12:45.55 | allu2 | what i should do? |
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| 12:46.55 | toolz | here is a script to fix it bundled with the debian mysql package. |
| 12:46.57 | toolz | which script? |
| 12:47.02 | seeS | now, i would think the EIP sits in the code area of a process, but it seems it is just under the start of the stack, is that right? |
| 12:47.19 | allu2 | any idea anyone how i get nvidia drivers to debian testing? |
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| 12:48.19 | Titan8990 | allu2, last time I had done it you have to install the drivers from sid |
| 12:48.25 | Titan8990 | that type of thing change fast |
| 12:48.38 | Titan8990 | allu2, but if you don't know what your doing, you shouldn't be using testing |
| 12:48.57 | allu2 | Titan8990: how i upgrade to stable :P |
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| 12:49.14 | Titan8990 | allu2, you would be downgrading and apt does not support downgrades |
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| 12:50.29 | toolz | Titan8990, dpkg mentioned about a script |
| 12:50.37 | toolz | which script to fix that mysql error |
| 12:51.44 | yucatan1 | is it posseble using rdiff backup to make a backup of my computer to another server thats running a rdiff backup server? |
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| 12:53.48 | Titan8990 | yucatan1, rsync is much more common |
| 12:54.11 | Titan8990 | toolz, check out /usr/share/doc/mysql*/README.debian |
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| 12:55.26 | yucatan1 | titan8990: i'm looking for a backup system with a webinterface |
| 12:56.05 | yucatan1 | so that people can go to my website and make a backup of there system to the website and place the backup on the backup server |
| 12:56.28 | yucatan1 | i have looked at rsync a very nice system but it dont have a good web front end |
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| 12:57.06 | Titan8990 | uhh, you want a web frontend to a backup application which your going to give access to end users? |
| 12:57.53 | jelly | yucatan1: are you going to have access to their machines? Are the users hosted at one of your machines? |
| 12:58.28 | jelly | yucatan1: how many users and how much data are you talking about? How much in daily changes? |
| 12:58.37 | yucatan1 | not much |
| 12:58.46 | yucatan1 | it are workstation |
| 12:58.56 | yucatan1 | for company's |
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| 12:59.22 | yucatan1 | that are customers of oure company |
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| 12:59.37 | jelly | yucatan1: have you considered a proper backup app with a client-server model like bacula or amanda? |
| 12:59.38 | yucatan1 | i want that oure customers can make backups of there inportend data |
| 12:59.45 | Titan8990 | if you leave it up the responsibility of your end users to make backups... you won't get any backups |
| 12:59.54 | Titan8990 | you need a reoccuring schedule |
| 13:00.00 | yucatan1 | yeah i know that |
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| 13:00.10 | yucatan1 | but i wanne give them the opertunity |
| 13:00.21 | SQlvpapir | just make anonther samba share |
| 13:00.34 | yucatan1 | i cant use samba over internet? |
| 13:00.34 | jelly | yucatan1: the usual way to do this is to offer them a file server and backup that data only. |
| 13:01.03 | yucatan1 | is it posseble to use a samba server over iternet? |
| 13:01.08 | yucatan1 | jelly i know |
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| 13:01.33 | jelly | samba isn't really efficient over links with high latencies |
| 13:01.47 | jelly | (even if you ensure the security with a vpn) |
| 13:02.00 | yucatan1 | hmm |
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| 13:02.28 | yucatan1 | and what is that bacula/amanda where your where talking abouth? |
| 13:02.32 | jelly | google is your friend. |
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| 13:03.07 | yucatan1 | yeah i know i already was googling(A) |
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| 13:03.28 | jelly | these are examples of open source client-server style backup apps |
| 13:03.31 | yucatan1 | i'm going to take a look at bacula and amanda thx alot for all the info and advice |
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| 13:04.29 | jelly | they're both a bit complex to set up initially |
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| 13:04.54 | jelly | tbh I haven't worked with bacula at all, and I haven't touched amanda in almost 10 years |
| 13:05.05 | MaikB78 | Hello. Am I correct that debian packages build from svn trunk's are meant to define the get-orig-source rule to checkout(actually export) and tar.gz the trunk? |
| 13:05.07 | fas3r | hello |
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| 13:05.23 | Titan8990 | last time i looked at amanda the website mentioned tape drives one too many times for me to try it |
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| 13:05.44 | jelly | that's because tape drives rule! |
| 13:06.05 | aibo | hi, I want to set up ftp server and give privileges of logging in/storing files only to local users, but don't want some users have valid shell, i've tried /usr/sbin/nologin as shell, but it wasn't working, what can I do else? |
| 13:06.06 | Titan8990 | they.... are so expensive and slow |
| 13:06.14 | fas3r | i use nagios, i have no problem with windows computer tu check disk space , memory ,etc. I want use it to check linux computer ... i need to install snmp on the debian ? |
| 13:06.26 | fas3r | like the windows computer ( snmp services) |
| 13:06.27 | fas3r | ? |
| 13:06.38 | MaikB78 | btw. Is there a channel dedicated towards .deb packaging? |
| 13:06.40 | azeem | fas3r: depends, you can also run the regular nagios checks I guess |
| 13:06.52 | azeem | MaikB78: this one; or #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 13:06.56 | aibo | oh, solved :) |
| 13:07.00 | fas3r | azeem : ok i test and i come back |
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| 13:07.05 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, no, the is not the dumping grounds for dpkg questions |
| 13:07.14 | azeem | fas3r: like test_load, test_disk or what they are called |
| 13:07.43 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, might want to check out the manuals for debian maintainers |
| 13:07.46 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: You mean debian-mentors is not the place to ask common dpkg questions? |
| 13:07.53 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: I did |
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| 13:08.04 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | o/ |
| 13:08.29 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: Are you a dpkg guru? |
| 13:08.39 | azeem | MaikB78: ask the channel, not individuals |
| 13:08.46 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, oh.. sorry I thought you were asking if this channel was a dpkg specific channel |
| 13:09.02 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: ah, ok |
| 13:09.15 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, no, i'm not. but the debian dev chans are more on OFTC |
| 13:09.23 | MaikB78 | I give #debian-mentors a try |
| 13:09.26 | MaikB78 | thx |
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| 13:09.52 | MaikB78 | oh |
| 13:09.55 | MaikB78 | its invite only |
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| 13:10.07 | babilen | MaikB78: try it on oftc |
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| 13:10.19 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, there is atleast dev channel that is not |
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| 13:10.25 | Titan8990 | err one |
| 13:10.36 | Abo | strange now I managed to start the mysql |
| 13:10.45 | Abo | but now my scripts still say Unable to connect to MySQL server. |
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| 13:12.36 | MaikB78 | Well, according to this http://wiki.debian.org/IRC the dev channel is not a place to ask questions |
| 13:12.36 | stian1979 | Anyone that can give me a sugestion on how to make suspend from disk work? |
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| 13:13.03 | MaikB78 | I give #ubuntu-motu-school atry |
| 13:13.15 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, ubuntu is not debian |
| 13:13.28 | babilen | MaikB78: You might want to try #debian-mentors and/or #debian on OFTC if there is nobody here who can answer youer questions |
| 13:14.03 | danisahne | hi I cant connect to mysql as root after its installation why? |
| 13:14.05 | MaikB78 | babilen: Isn't this #debian? |
| 13:14.08 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, and when that means not for support questions... that means not for questions like "hey, my window manager won't start" |
| 13:14.10 | danisahne | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 13:14.29 | Titan8990 | danisahne, use the password? |
| 13:14.36 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: Ok, I give them you nick if they start throwing chairs at me :P |
| 13:14.45 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, hehe, sure |
| 13:14.54 | danisahne | what is it ? as I know the user root hasnt# |
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| 13:15.02 | babilen | MaikB78: yes, this is #debian. I have joined recently, so i have not read your actual question. I was just pointing out that there are a bunch of Debian related channels on OFTC (ie irc.debian.org) that you might try as well |
| 13:15.02 | fas3r | azeem : i can't use check_centreon_snmp_remote_storage on linux computer ? |
| 13:15.09 | Titan8990 | danisahne, you set the root password during the mysql installation |
| 13:15.22 | danisahne | no |
| 13:15.37 | Titan8990 | yes... it does |
| 13:15.43 | Titan8990 | its part of the dpkg configuration |
| 13:16.04 | Titan8990 | you can try: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
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| 13:18.42 | Phlogi | I'm on squeeze and get this for ntop: ntop: error while loading shared libraries: libntop-3.3.10.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, does it work for you? |
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| 13:19.09 | MaikB78 | wow, either nobody wants to talk to me, or not having an registered nick is a problem in #debian-devel |
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| 13:19.41 | deconvolution | Hello, anyone successfully installed auctex with emacs23 ? I got this error message, emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/auctex emacs23 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28. |
| 13:20.05 | Titan8990 | MaikB78, i would just give it some time |
| 13:20.19 | MaikB78 | Titan8990: sure |
| 13:20.21 | allu2 | aptitude wants to remove xorg if i try install nvidia-gxl |
| 13:20.25 | allu2 | should i let it :P |
| 13:20.27 | allu2 | ? |
| 13:20.38 | deconvolution | allu2, I dont think so |
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| 13:20.52 | babilen | Phlogi: please paste the output of 'ldd `which ntop`' somewhere |
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| 13:29.39 | fmr | i've a computer with a SID, and every 2 reboot I've to reinstall nvidia drivers, otherwise I've glibc malloc error at X startup |
| 13:29.52 | fmr | that's make me mad |
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| 13:34.25 | MaikB78 | problems solved |
| 13:34.40 | MaikB78 | the motu guys gave me a hint |
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| 13:36.13 | lolufail | hi |
| 13:36.18 | lolufail | is tehre a way to resume dd? |
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| 13:37.25 | Phlogi | babilen: http://pastebin.ca//1598008 |
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| 13:37.40 | lolufail | as in: |
| 13:37.44 | lolufail | dd: reading `/dev/sdq5': Input/output error |
| 13:37.44 | lolufail | 1107942968+0 records in |
| 13:37.55 | lolufail | and now I wanna continue that copy? |
| 13:38.14 | azeem | maybe with skip= |
| 13:38.17 | azeem | ? |
| 13:38.41 | lolufail | azeem: but will that also skip on the output? |
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| 13:38.45 | jelly | lolufail: how many records out? |
| 13:38.51 | lolufail | jelly: same. |
| 13:39.03 | jelly | lolufail: you will have to use both seek and skip. |
| 13:39.32 | azeem | I guess it's more important to know how many recors were written out |
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| 13:39.38 | jelly | indeed |
| 13:40.29 | darren | for various reasons I have to install etch on a machine. I found an old netinst iso, but it doesn't find the files it needs on the mirror/s. Any idea how I can get around that? |
| 13:40.40 | lolufail | azeem: 1107942968+0 records in |
| 13:40.40 | lolufail | 1107942968+0 records out |
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| 13:40.57 | lolufail | so seek is for input, skip for output? |
| 13:41.02 | azeem | darren: etch should still be on most mirrors AFAIK |
| 13:41.18 | Titan8990 | etch is still in support |
| 13:41.30 | jelly | lolufail: the other way round |
| 13:41.37 | lolufail | jelly: hm that expects a block count, is "records" == "blocks"? |
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| 13:42.12 | babilen | Phlogi: The problem seems to be that ntop is linked against libntop-3.3.10 *and* libntop-3.3.so. The former seems to be missing, and i could not find a package that provides that library |
| 13:42.28 | markybob | darren, osuosl.org mirror has it. so does kernel.org |
| 13:42.30 | jelly | lolufail: yes. the number that were written out correctly |
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| 13:42.44 | lolufail | jelly, azeem thanks!! |
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| 13:42.51 | darren | I've tried a bunch of them and after about 3-4 mins it times out with 'Specified archive mirror is not available or does not have a valid release file on it'. What file would it be looking for? |
| 13:42.58 | jelly | lolufail: test using two small files if unsure :-) |
| 13:43.04 | lolufail | too late :D |
| 13:43.16 | darren | markybob, what county is osuosl.org under? |
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| 13:43.25 | markybob | darren, US |
| 13:43.31 | lolufail | hmm aparently the drive is broken |
| 13:44.02 | babilen | Phlogi: You could try running (as root) 'ldconfig -v `which ntop`' . |
| 13:44.13 | umarzuki | hi, i want to achive a raid 5 + 1 hot-spare and it will have more than 580 GB usable space |
| 13:44.27 | lucky- | who use liquidcd? |
| 13:44.29 | darren | hmm, maybe I have network problems! Thanks. |
| 13:44.41 | phix | lolufail: sounds like bad sectors / hardware issues |
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| 13:44.44 | oxi | hi |
| 13:45.07 | umarzuki | does that mean i have to have 4 hdd configured as raid 5? or 4 hdd plus 1? |
| 13:45.08 | oxi | does anyone have a bash snippet to list all files on a system, sorted by filesize? |
| 13:45.10 | phix | hi |
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| 13:45.39 | jelly | umarzuki: we don't know how many devices you have and how large they are |
| 13:45.57 | umarzuki | assume 300 GB each hdd |
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| 13:46.05 | Titan8990 | oxi, ls -lhR / > file.txt the you might be able to run sort against that |
| 13:46.10 | Titan8990 | oxi, just a suggestion |
| 13:46.21 | oxi | Titan8990: thanks a lot! |
| 13:46.31 | umarzuki | how many i need to get to achive more than 580 GB usable space with 1 hot spare? |
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| 13:46.39 | iateadonut | how can i test that a partition mounted on /mnt/debian is in fact a debian partition (that i need the space from but have to keep the /boot folder)? |
| 13:46.42 | umarzuki | achieve |
| 13:47.11 | Imran-UK | hi - has anyone used samba with the "security = server" setting between two debian lenny samba servers? |
| 13:47.19 | Titan8990 | iateadonut, cat /mnt/debian/etc/debian_version ? |
| 13:47.20 | sajes | when launching eclipse, it starts loading workspace, then errors out with this message: http://pastebin.com/m47961a9d , it also does it with openjdk, which I removed and replaced with sun-java6-jdk because I thought it was it's fault. Any ideas? |
| 13:47.24 | jelly | umarzuki: four is just enough, so, five. |
| 13:48.55 | jelly | umarzuki: if you already have 580GB of data, 5 300GB disks. If you need a total of 580GB for the foreseeable future, 4 might be enough (2*300 usable before mkfs) |
| 13:49.19 | lolufail | phix yeah |
| 13:49.34 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.51 | lolufail | even tried different sata controller |
| 13:49.53 | lolufail | drive bad |
| 13:50.00 | lolufail | damn I already sold it on ebay :D |
| 13:50.01 | lolufail | what now |
| 13:50.10 | azeem | ... |
| 13:50.19 | enmerkar | lolufail: afaik you can cancel if item is broken |
| 13:50.44 | lolufail | or I could do the western digital RMA thing, but with the buyers address |
| 13:51.05 | lolufail | or just pretend I didn't know. |
| 13:51.07 | lolufail | :D |
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| 13:52.41 | oxi | Titan8990: I found this: find / -type f | xargs ls -s | sort -rn | awk '{size=$1/1024; printf("%dMb %s\n", size,$2);}' | head |
| 13:53.18 | oxi | however, it mixes in some errors like: ls: cannot access /dev/.udev/db/x2fblockx2fram0: No such file or directory |
| 13:54.38 | darren | ok, I see my DNS is not contactable |
| 13:54.53 | darren | how do I update my DNS entries part way through an install? I have a second prompt open ... |
| 13:55.00 | babilen | oxi: have a look at 'du -m /' it might just do the right thing if piped into sort (with suitable options) |
| 13:55.15 | umarzuki | jelly: thanks |
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| 13:55.27 | oxi | babilen: thanks¨ |
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| 13:56.00 | babilen | oxi: If you want to find 'large' files you could also use something like baobab. This is not a CLI utility however |
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| 13:56.12 | fubard | is this the appropriate channel to ask about why my virtualbox-ose won't let me load "guest additions" or mount a local directory to share? |
| 13:56.16 | oxi | babilen: "du" is quite cool, that might do the trick |
| 13:56.25 | babilen | oxi: great. |
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| 13:58.27 | oxi | babilen: du -m / |sort -nr | head -10 worked quite good to find large directories |
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| 13:59.40 | oxi | babilen: and find /var -type f | xargs ls -s | sort -rn | awk '{size=$1/1024; printf("%dMb %s\n", size,$2);}' | head -10 for large files |
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| 14:01.15 | Sander__ | Hi. Why dosnt arrow up, and tab works? |
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| 14:01.46 | ^kane | hi, I'm using debian 4.0 with 3 sata disks. While I wanted to configure a new drive I saw that /dev/sda, sdb, ... aren't existing anymore, but it's still used by LVM. How can I configure the new disk? |
| 14:01.49 | Sander__ | Thats only when I log into this spesific remote box |
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| 14:01.58 | radoe | Sander__: where does it not work and what do you expect it to do there? |
| 14:02.29 | Sander__ | radeo: I expect tab to display the options I got, what commands I can run. |
| 14:02.47 | Sander__ | radoe: and I expect "arrow up" to display the previous command |
| 14:03.44 | radoe | Sander__: whats your shell at the remote site? |
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| 14:04.13 | Sander__ | radeo /bin/sh |
| 14:04.49 | Sander__ | radeo: Thats it. When I changed to bash it works |
| 14:05.00 | Sander__ | radoe |
| 14:05.01 | NeckTie_ | noob here. when i try to run a perl script i get this "/usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" can anyone help me fix this? |
| 14:05.30 | SPF | NeckTie_: try dos2unix perlscript |
| 14:06.03 | SPF | the perl script is probably saved in dos format |
| 14:06.10 | radoe | Sander__: Well, then /bin/sh on your remote site does not support (or is not setup to do) history on arrowkeys and tabcompletion. |
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| 14:14.09 | NeckTie_ | SPF: that worked :) but now i get this "Can't locate File/chdir.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl" :( |
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| 14:14.23 | drw | please help me with postgresql8.3: incomplete packet |
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| 14:16.04 | SPF | NeckTie_: that's because you're missing some perl libraries |
| 14:16.37 | SPF | NeckTie_: apt-get install libfile-chdir-perl |
| 14:16.49 | SPF | also good way to search: |
| 14:16.49 | SPF | apt-cache search chdir | grep perl |
| 14:16.53 | NeckTie_ | SPF: the script i wanna use calls for this "Perl Pod::Usage" but i can't find it |
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| 14:19.36 | SPF | one of these I think: |
| 14:19.36 | SPF | libdevel-size-perl - Perl extension for finding the memory usage of Perl variables |
| 14:19.36 | SPF | libfilesys-diskspace-perl - fetch filesystem size and usage information from Perl |
| 14:22.51 | asdf | is there a way i can fake apt into thinking a package is installed? |
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| 14:23.50 | radoe | asdf: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 14:24.36 | asdf | radoe: thanks i'll try that, looks hacky tho :x |
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| 14:28.02 | phix | lolufail: ummm is it still under warranty? |
| 14:28.38 | lolufail | yea |
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| 14:29.59 | lolufail | most drives are :D |
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| 14:30.16 | lolufail | 3 years warranty minimum, how long to you keep a drive :D |
| 14:30.43 | c03 | hi |
| 14:30.43 | c03 | Can someone help me get my sound device working again= |
| 14:30.48 | c03 | ? |
| 14:30.48 | fubard | ... |
| 14:30.48 | c03 | I did an apt-get upgrade and nothing more |
| 14:30.54 | c03 | suddenly mp3blaster says "cannot find sound device" |
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| 14:32.52 | c03 | anyone? |
| 14:34.12 | fubard | need more info probably |
| 14:34.14 | phix | lolufail: :D well great, I suggest take it back to where you got it from :) |
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| 14:34.30 | phix | c03: hi |
| 14:34.40 | phix | good night though |
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| 14:35.01 | c03 | phix: hi !? =) |
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| 14:35.18 | seniorake | using dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=512 - i copied the partition table from sda to sdb |
| 14:35.19 | seniorake | but only 3 of 5 partitions are copied, why is that? |
| 14:35.37 | seniorake | the first 3 are primary, the other ones are logical, is that the reason perhaps ? |
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| 14:36.04 | phix | seniorake: use sfdisk -d |
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| 14:36.29 | phix | seniorake: use sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 14:36.41 | SlayerXP | chaps, i am using PXE/DHCP to install a server over the nework. The kernel detects the ethernet devices in a different order to the boot process meaning what would be "eth0" ends up as "eth2". is there an installer or kernel option I can use to ensure the device gets consistently named? |
| 14:36.52 | phix | seniorake: as root (sudo -s) |
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| 14:37.12 | seniorake | hm, it says that the device is busy, but i do not see how |
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| 14:37.23 | phix | seniorake: is it mounted? |
| 14:37.24 | seniorake | this is part of a raid array, but there is no raid active |
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| 14:37.33 | phix | seniorake: hmmmm |
| 14:37.37 | seniorake | cat /proc/mdstat shows no sdb |
| 14:37.40 | phix | seniorake: hardware array? |
| 14:37.44 | seniorake | oh sorry, it does |
| 14:37.48 | seniorake | just a second |
| 14:37.56 | phix | seniorake: mdadm --stop or seomthing |
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| 14:38.13 | seniorake | sdb1 is within the array, but i can not hot remove it |
| 14:38.23 | seniorake | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy - any ideas what to do? |
| 14:38.46 | phix | seniorake: ummm stop mdadm? |
| 14:38.55 | phix | seniorake: or is that disck part of your rootfs? |
| 14:39.10 | phix | seniorake: /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid stop |
| 14:39.14 | seniorake | yes it is, but sda could do this |
| 14:39.15 | phix | seniorake: /etc/init.d/mdadm stop |
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| 14:39.25 | seniorake | Stopping MD array md0...failed (busy). |
| 14:39.32 | seniorake | i could use mdadm -r |
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| 14:39.36 | phix | force it |
| 14:39.39 | r3c4ll | hello somebody work with Amanda? |
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| 14:40.30 | c03 | Can someone help me get my sound device working again= |
| 14:40.40 | seniorake | mdadm /dev/md0 -rf /dev/sdb1 - mdadm: set /dev/sdb1 faulty in /dev/md0 |
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| 14:41.25 | adb | c03, if in lenny , try alsaconf |
| 14:41.34 | phix | r3c4ll: Amanda Jennings? :P |
| 14:41.34 | seniorake | damn i don't see why it can not be removed by mdadm -r, i thought the array would continue to work with one disk |
| 14:41.43 | ethanol | pff |
| 14:41.54 | phix | seniorake: hey, you're here too |
| 14:41.56 | ethanol | webalizer requires libdb-4.4 but debian lenny only has 4.5 and 4.6 :( |
| 14:42.03 | r3c4ll | phix, Amanda the backup system :P |
| 14:43.04 | seniorake | any ideas? |
| 14:43.35 | c03 | adb: thanks, but mp3blaster still says "failed to open sound device" |
| 14:44.01 | adb | ethanol, Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdb4.5 < in lenny |
| 14:44.21 | adb | c03, worked before ? |
| 14:44.33 | c03 | adb: it did! |
| 14:45.38 | adb | c03, redone ,alsaconf ? |
| 14:45.45 | phix | r3c4ll: :P |
| 14:45.56 | phix | nah, I use dar with a shell script |
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| 14:46.34 | phix | r3c4ll: then rsync to a removable USB HDD with email feedback |
| 14:46.50 | c03 | adb: yes.. tried it. still can't open the sound device |
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| 14:47.47 | h1d | hello, is it possible to have multiple instance of dokuwiki to run by a single installation from a debian package? 2 different wiki sites from a single installation |
| 14:47.51 | adb | c03, maybe try re/load his kernel module |
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| 14:49.12 | c03 | adb: how is that done? =) |
| 14:49.44 | adb | modprobe modulename |
| 14:50.22 | c03 | and the modulename is!? alsa? |
| 14:50.59 | adb | dooglus, lsmod | grep snd , to see some ... |
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| 14:52.18 | adb | c03, ^^ |
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| 14:52.50 | sigmonsays | Hello |
| 14:53.04 | sigmonsays | Where do I find info on getting a hostname set from dhcp? |
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| 14:56.26 | bosyak | Hi all. amd64 is the same i386 but for new processors? |
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| 14:56.43 | c03 | adb: still no cigar =/ |
| 14:57.22 | adb | c03, i just go to light one .. |
| 14:57.33 | stew | bosyak: amd64 is 64 bit and works on 64 bit cpus, i386 is 32 bit and works on 32 bit OR 64 bit cpus |
| 14:58.04 | bosyak | stew: thanks |
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| 14:59.19 | bosyak | ttyS1: I'm sure, Linux ignore windows ACL?! |
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| 15:12.40 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 15:12.40 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
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| 15:36.33 | fabzor3 | hello |
| 15:36.42 | fabzor3 | i am still trying to install nvidia drivers on debian 5.30 |
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| 15:37.13 | fabzor3 | but now wheni go to compile it gives me the error unable to find cc, please make sure cc is in your path |
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| 15:39.33 | bigfoot- | fabzor3: install gcc? |
| 15:39.42 | fabzor3 | i have |
| 15:39.44 | asaleem | It may be a bit off topic but maybe someone has experience with systemimager. Is it possible restore an image to a client that has different hardware? |
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| 15:39.51 | fabzor3 | but i think the problem is adding a posix part |
| 15:40.00 | fabzor3 | using export= or something im not sure |
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| 15:42.26 | bigfoot- | fabzor3: Probably you should tell *how* you're trying to install the NVIDIA drivers. |
| 15:42.38 | bigfoot- | And then quote, not paraphrase, the error message. |
| 15:43.05 | fabzor3 | oh |
| 15:43.09 | fabzor3 | im compiling them |
| 15:43.13 | hackeron | hey, how do I stop dhcpd giving an address to a specific hardware address? |
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| 15:44.28 | fabzor3 | ERROR: Unable to find development tool 'cc' in your path; please make sure that you have the pakage 'gcc' installed. If gcc is installed on youre system, then please check that 'cc' is in your PATH. |
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| 15:44.58 | fabzor3 | hackeron: sudo nano /etc/rsolv.conf |
| 15:45.20 | hackeron | fabzor3: huh? |
| 15:45.27 | fabzor3 | oh wait thats dns |
| 15:45.30 | hackeron | fabzor3: what does dns have to do with anything |
| 15:45.36 | fabzor3 | yeah my bad |
| 15:45.43 | fabzor3 | theres another file called interfaces |
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| 15:45.56 | hackeron | fabzor3: no, it's /etc/dhcpd.conf but what exactly do I put there |
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| 15:46.04 | bigfoot- | fabzor3: no /usr/bin/cc in your system? |
| 15:46.05 | paxcoder | can someone please tell me why this is empty: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:46.47 | stew | paxcoder: check lists.debian.org/debain-cd |
| 15:46.48 | fabzor3 | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:46.57 | stew | fabzor3: who are you talking to? |
| 15:47.03 | fabzor3 | hackeron: |
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| 15:47.19 | stew | fabzor3: /etc/network/interfaces has nothing to do with dhcpd |
| 15:47.23 | paxcoder | stew: says not found. this is also empty: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 15:47.31 | hackeron | fabzor3: huh? -- what does interface configuration have to do with dhcp server configuration |
| 15:47.47 | fabzor3 | nothing i guess, nm |
| 15:47.47 | stew | paxcoder: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 15:47.54 | stew | paxcoder: sorry, typo |
| 15:48.02 | paxcoder | oh. k |
| 15:48.11 | stew | hackeron: so a certain mac address always gets the same IP and you want to change this ip? |
| 15:48.14 | stew | hackeron: or what? |
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| 15:48.26 | ProudToBeJew | ISRAEL....... FOR LYFE...... LIVE FOREVER........... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:48.34 | hackeron | stew: no, I want the dhcp server to just ignore dhcp requests from a specific hardware address |
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| 15:50.10 | Titan8990 | hackeron, you could do that with static arp tables, but then if the dhcp server is the gateway only the clients listen can communicate |
| 15:50.16 | paxcoder | stew: I think the list told me... "it's not there" -_- |
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| 15:51.04 | hackeron | Titan8990: ok, I have a server that needs to send a DHCP request to the modem to get online - the modem will only give 1 address to the first host that requests it -- then that specific server runs a dhcp server for everyone else to get an IP -- but problem is when it sends the DHCP request, it gets a response from itself |
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| 15:51.53 | paxcoder | Debian download "system" sucks. There should be nice-looking big buttons, or menus with default values selected, most importantly: all on one page. Then you could just pick amd64->testing->torrent and voila. No such darned hassle as now. |
| 15:52.05 | obcecado | cant you bind dhcpd to interfaces ? |
| 15:52.08 | sphenxes01 | I have reinstalled my webmin. now I can't start my cron script. i have forget the command. was it: sh /bin/bash/ /path/to/my/script? that is not working right now. any suggestions? |
| 15:52.14 | paxcoder | Anyway, does anyone know where I can download testing from now? |
| 15:52.31 | maligor | paxcoder, so... when are you going to implement that? |
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| 15:53.23 | paxcoder | I could do that, but I think there are people more familiar with both the structure of these directories and the page itself |
| 15:54.10 | paxcoder | However, I wouldn't mind doing it. Only I'm not sure how debian web devs feel about javascript (although it could be done with fall-down lists i guess). |
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| 15:54.39 | Titan8990 | hackeron, check out the REFERENCE: ALLOW AND DENY section of man dhcpd.conf |
| 15:54.51 | hackeron | Titan8990: I did |
| 15:55.29 | hackeron | Titan8990: it only supports 3 keywords according to the man page - I can't specify my own group |
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| 15:55.34 | ^kane | hi, I'm using debian 4.0 with 3 sata disks. While I wanted to configure a new drive I saw that /dev/sda, sdb, ... aren't existing anymore, but it's still used by LVM. How can I configure the new disk? |
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| 15:56.03 | paxcoder | maligor: are you a debian web developer? |
| 15:56.21 | xlotlu | onjoin spam .... |
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| 15:56.26 | clearscreen | !ops LoVeme = join spammer |
| 15:56.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: clearscreen complains about: LoVeme = join spammer |
| 15:56.26 | techouse | what font do you guys use as default? |
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| 15:56.33 | fredl | anybody have ops on here? |
| 15:56.34 | valdyn | ^kane: which drives are listed in "pvs" |
| 15:56.40 | stew | clearscreen: thanks |
| 15:56.44 | jas4711 | anyone understand piupart here? i'd like help to understand what http://piuparts.debian.org/sid/fail/shishi-doc_0.0.40-1.log means. it results in a 'failed-testing' status.. |
| 15:56.47 | Titan8990 | hackeron, i wander how my pfsense box handles this... would expect to see more documentation on the issue if it was common |
| 15:56.53 | zahna | what is the apt-get flag for showing the version of an available package? i'm not seeing a flag for it. |
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| 15:57.07 | stew | zahna: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 15:57.09 | Titan8990 | zahna, aptitude show <package> |
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| 15:57.43 | zahna | stew: er, yeah, apt-cache. sorry i meant apt-cache. |
| 15:57.45 | ^kane | valdyn: the hda, hdb's... are list in the physical volumes and for the sata it says "unknown device" |
| 15:57.51 | paxcoder | What did LoVeme do? |
| 15:58.15 | zahna | paxcoder: so you got a /msg from that bot too? |
| 15:58.15 | valdyn | ^kane: so its hda not sda |
| 15:58.21 | paxcoder | zahna: no. if i did, i'd know an answer to my question :-) |
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| 15:58.32 | zahna | ha, right. :) |
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| 15:58.38 | ^kane | valdyn: the pata's are still listed in /dev, but not the sata's |
| 15:59.01 | hackeron | Titan8990: ah, I can create a subnet with no available IP addresses |
| 15:59.11 | ^kane | valdyn: I use PATA and SATA disks in the LVM |
| 15:59.23 | valdyn | ^kane: who deleted those device nodes? |
| 15:59.45 | valdyn | ^kane: is udev installed? |
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| 15:59.55 | ^kane | valdyn: me not, but nobody else can access the server except me |
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| 16:00.03 | zahna | stew: so there's no compact format similar to "apt-cache pkgnames" but with versions? |
| 16:00.21 | ^kane | valdyn: i saw that the drives are in /dev/.static/dev |
| 16:00.41 | Titan8990 | zahna, there is not much of need as it is not like gentoo where you might have 10 different versions of a single package |
| 16:00.45 | valdyn | ^kane: so udev is installed then |
| 16:01.12 | valdyn | ^kane: run "/etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start" |
| 16:01.24 | zahna | Titan8990: well, i'm wanting to see what's available so i would know whether i need to use a different repo, or build a deb myself, etc |
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| 16:01.41 | Titan8990 | zahna, /msg judd versions <package> |
| 16:01.49 | ^kane | valdyn: i'll try |
| 16:01.50 | stew | zahna: there's lots of ways, how about "aptitude search '~npackagename'" |
| 16:02.14 | stew | zahna: there's also the tools in the grep-dctrl package |
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| 16:02.40 | zahna | interesting. i'll check that out. |
| 16:03.18 | ^kane | valdyn: it says that i have to upgrade the kernel to >= 2.6.18 |
| 16:03.21 | stew | zahna: err, you are going to want something like "aptitude search '~npackagename' -F'%p %v'" |
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| 16:03.57 | ^kane | valdyn: and i use 2.6.17. so i think i'll do it now |
| 16:04.02 | stew | ^kane: you should have upgraded to >= 2.6.18 as part of the upgrade to etch |
| 16:04.07 | zahna | stew: heh, i guess "apt-cache policy" is easier to remember. :) |
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| 16:05.41 | ^kane | stew: it there any recommendation to which kernel i should upgrade? |
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| 16:07.45 | grim_ | anyone know if theres daily builds of the netboot debian-installer? |
| 16:08.07 | grim_ | the version of grub in lenny doesn't like my software raid5 and won't install |
| 16:08.33 | grim_ | i was able to update to squeeze during the installer, but grub didn't install right again, and i still couldn't boot |
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| 16:28.08 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know why VLC throws "file not found" errors when I try it in a session in Spanish. It works fine when it's an English session. |
| 16:29.13 | DimmuR| | is it possible to upgrade debian server 4.0 -> 5.0 without reboot? |
| 16:29.22 | clarjon1 | alright, my lappy's bios seems to be able to take care of brightness settings on it's own, but when i hit the brightness up/down keycombos, it changes normally, then it acts like it's been hit again. It doesn't do this in grub, but after everything is loaded, leading me to believe it's being 'duplicated' in software... |
| 16:29.28 | clarjon1 | Any ideas where to start digging? |
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| 16:30.29 | jaysn_ | jpinx-eeepc: does vlc understand utf8 or only ascii? |
| 16:30.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jaysn_: good question |
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| 16:31.19 | riot | hi |
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| 16:31.21 | clarjon1 | Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but this software 'duplicate' tends to trigger a bug with my laptop hardware, in which the synaptic pad gets 'lost' and can only be re-discovered as a regular ps/2 mouse until reboot :/ |
| 16:31.30 | jpinx-eeepc | I was being shouted at by the girlfriend and didn't have time to explore the error - she just wanted the music! :/ |
| 16:31.40 | jaysn_ | heh |
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| 16:32.25 | clarjon1 | but yeah... any hints where to look for this? |
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| 16:35.31 | adb | disable bios item , helps ? |
| 16:36.02 | clarjon1 | can't disable in bios :/ |
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| 16:37.15 | clarjon1 | It's not the bios that's at fault, it's some software :/ |
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| 16:37.54 | adb | remove software, than .. |
| 16:38.07 | clarjon1 | adb: I dont' know what the software is tho |
| 16:38.11 | adb | or reinstall them |
| 16:38.50 | clarjon1 | all i know is that there's some software that's trapping the signal, and i don't know what it is. |
| 16:39.16 | clarjon1 | I'm certain that if i knew what it was, there'd be some kinda config file entry that would stop this |
| 16:40.13 | adb | gnome-power-manager |
| 16:40.21 | clarjon1 | not using gnome |
| 16:40.34 | clarjon1 | and kpowersave has no options for catching the brightness change events |
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| 16:40.47 | clarjon1 | also, this also happens outside of X |
| 16:41.14 | clarjon1 | (in other words, in ctrl-alt-f1 etc this happens as well, with no X sessions) |
| 16:41.37 | adb | apt-cache search brightness |
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| 16:44.10 | clarjon1 | the only thing i have installed on that list (that is related to power) is acpi-events, and none of those config files contain any events related to this issue. |
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| 16:45.27 | clarjon1 | Only events related to being in battery or plugged in modes, and suspend scripts for WICD |
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| 16:49.32 | clarjon1 | So, i guess a better question would be: Which power related utility would listen for brightness up/down events and execute them? |
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| 16:52.18 | jaysn_ | clarjon1: is the answer acpid? |
| 16:52.54 | clarjon1 | I can't find anything in it's config files related to this. |
| 16:53.49 | clarjon1 | All the stuff that's in /etc/apci and /etc/apci/events have to do is with whether or not the power is plugged in, hibernate, and what to do if the power button is pressed. |
| 16:54.00 | \amethyst | hey, has anyone else been unsubscribed from debian lists because their mail host doesn't have an IPv6 address? |
| 16:54.22 | \amethyst | <neil@s-z.org>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for |
| 16:54.28 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:54.30 | jaysn_ | clarjon1: what about the /proc directory? |
| 16:54.33 | \amethyst | <neil@s-z.org>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=www.wendellwilson.net type=AAAA: Host not found |
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| 16:55.22 | hjb2 | hi. after upgrading my testing system, my mousewheel stopped working. any idea? |
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| 16:58.43 | NoCode_ | dpkg, mouse |
| 16:58.43 | dpkg | well, mouse is rumour has it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in xorg, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. See also <2.6 mouse>. |
| 16:59.10 | NoCode_ | hjb2, There's something you might want to look at. |
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| 17:02.38 | hjb2 | NoCode_: hm, thanks |
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| 17:03.24 | NoCode_ | hjb2, Not sure if it'll help or not. I just cued the bot in a /msg. I'm sure it'll say something though that may will hopefully help. |
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| 17:06.31 | clarjon1 | hm |
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| 17:07.58 | Z4ndX | Hello ... Any one had luck with MOC (Music On Console) and using Esound ? ESD ? |
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| 17:09.00 | hjb2 | NoCode: yeah, i'm skimming trouh it. i hope i'll find an answer :) |
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| 17:11.18 | macrobat | !evdev |
| 17:11.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, evdev is the generic input event interface of the Linux kernel, and an input driver for X.org. It's probably the way to get all of the buttons working on your new shiney Logitech mouse. See <http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Mouse+Buttons>, or see <xorg reconfiguration tip> |
| 17:11.38 | Z4ndX | !esd |
| 17:11.38 | dpkg | it has been said that esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 17:12.47 | Z4ndX | !mpg123 |
| 17:12.47 | dpkg | well, mpg123 is a _command line_ mp3 player. in non-free and buggy (use <mpg321> instead), or the most cpu/memory efficient one around!, or contains LGPL and GPL portions |
| 17:13.11 | Z4ndX | !mpg321 |
| 17:13.11 | dpkg | hmm... mpg321 is cooler than mpg123 because it isn't <non-free>, or supports playing from HTTP streams _provided_ a trailing slash is used (eg. mpg321 http://213.186.41.149:8040/) - see bug #166512. Does not support HTTP proxying. |
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| 17:14.15 | clarjon1 | sighs |
| 17:15.13 | stew | dpkg: mpg123 =~ s/in non-free and buggy (use <mpg321> instead),// |
| 17:15.13 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:16.01 | stew | dpkg: mpg321 =~ s/is cooler than mpg123 because it isn't <non-free>/is cooler than mpg123 because it doesn't use floating point arithmatic/g |
| 17:16.01 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'is cooler than mpg123 because it isn't <non-free>', stew |
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| 17:16.54 | clarjon1 | need to escape the ' mebbe? |
| 17:17.03 | stew | fixed in /msg |
| 17:17.06 | clarjon1 | ah |
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| 17:17.29 | clarjon1 | what part needed escaping? |
| 17:17.31 | jelly | stew: just forget mpg321 |
| 17:18.27 | stew | shrugg |
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| 17:22.45 | phet | Hello, how can I enable RewriteLog in apache? I am using debian stable |
| 17:23.18 | clarjon1 | phet: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html |
| 17:23.29 | phet | yes, I know this |
| 17:23.37 | phet | this does not says how to enable it |
| 17:23.40 | stew | phet: its just "RewriteLog /path/to/log/file" |
| 17:23.47 | phet | where? |
| 17:23.54 | phet | that's what I dont know, where |
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| 17:24.07 | stew | phet: you could put it right after the "RewriteEngine on" |
| 17:24.24 | stew | phet: in some VirtualHost definition for instance |
| 17:24.28 | clarjon1 | it says that can go into the apache config |
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| 17:24.42 | clarjon1 | Context:server config, virtual host |
| 17:24.43 | phet | sorry but my real problem is that I do not know where to put it, which file |
| 17:25.00 | stew | phet: you can put it wherever you are defining RewriteRules |
| 17:25.05 | clarjon1 | phet: It goes where you find other things related to mod_rewrite :/ |
| 17:25.19 | greycat | phet: usually something like /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/your.virtual.domain |
| 17:25.38 | phet | actually I didnt find enything related with mod_rewrite, I just spent like 2 hours to load the module |
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| 17:25.43 | phet | creating a link to the so file |
| 17:26.13 | stew | phet: have you created some RewriteRule entries? where did you put those? |
| 17:26.48 | phet | I have not started this, I was reading the introduction and it says something about configuring RewriteLog, I was stuck there |
| 17:26.53 | stew | phet: (btw, "a2enmod rewrite" was the command to enable mod_rewrite) |
| 17:27.14 | stew | phet: you'd typically edit a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 17:27.26 | phet | I created a file in mod-enabled with a link to the so file, right now rewrite is enabled |
| 17:27.40 | clarjon1 | you need to create rewrite rules |
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| 17:27.55 | TheHouseParty | Hey , How to open port from bash |
| 17:28.07 | stew | phet: yes, "a2enmod rewrite" would have created this link for you |
| 17:28.13 | TheHouseParty | * im using shell & |
| 17:28.30 | phet | ok I have to put the path to the log file |
| 17:28.36 | phet | in sites-enabled |
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| 17:28.41 | adb | TheHouseParty, >#bash |
| 17:28.44 | greycat | TheHouseParty: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:28.46 | stew | TheHouseParty: what are you hoping to have happen when someone connects to the port? |
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| 17:29.30 | TheHouseParty | stew : im connecting psybnc it appears that everything it ok but i cant reach the server |
| 17:29.36 | clarjon1 | phet: This may help http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/htaccess-mod_rewrite-rewrite-examples.html |
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| 17:30.02 | stew | TheHouseParty: show us the output of "iptables -L -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:30.06 | phet | thank you |
| 17:30.28 | clarjon1 | phet: And this will help too http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/crazy-advanced-mod_rewrite-tutorial.html |
| 17:30.35 | TheHouseParty | !pastebin |
| 17:30.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:30.42 | Z4ndX | !esddsp |
| 17:30.42 | dpkg | methinks esddsp is Having trouble playing sound? Are you sick of trying to figure out if your app has a plugin? Have no fear! Your troubles are over... just prepend your favorite sound app (including vmware) with 'esddsp' ie 'esddsp vmware' |
| 17:30.58 | adb | !tell Z4ndX - about selftell |
| 17:31.06 | stew | TheHouseParty: have you verified that psybnc is actually running and has opened the port? |
| 17:31.12 | TheHouseParty | http://pastebin.ca/1598879 |
| 17:31.12 | adb | !tell Z4ndX -about selftell |
| 17:31.31 | stew | TheHouseParty: iptables would have to be run as root |
| 17:31.35 | phet | ok thank you very much! |
| 17:31.43 | stew | TheHouseParty: is psybnc running? |
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| 17:32.00 | TheHouseParty | http://pastebin.ca/1598884 |
| 17:33.08 | Titan8990 | TheHouseParty, /sbin is not in a regular users PATH by default... su to root |
| 17:33.34 | TheHouseParty | ha ? |
| 17:33.46 | Titan8990 | but anyways... if you have not altered iptables then there should not be any rules |
| 17:33.56 | Titan8990 | and it looks like your trying to connect to a server on your local machine? |
| 17:34.05 | TheHouseParty | no no on a shell |
| 17:34.13 | Titan8990 | what? |
| 17:34.20 | TheHouseParty | titan wanna have a look ? |
| 17:34.27 | Titan8990 | uhh, sure |
| 17:34.31 | TheHouseParty | i can give the pass |
| 17:34.40 | clarjon1 | gives up for now on this brightness issue |
| 17:34.41 | Titan8990 | ah, then i would rather not |
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| 17:35.14 | TheHouseParty | ok |
| 17:35.22 | TheHouseParty | titan what ps x could give me about it |
| 17:35.35 | TheHouseParty | 5920 pts/98 S 0:00 ./psybnc |
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| 17:36.06 | Titan8990 | alright... so you have a daemon listening on all interfaces between 2 ports |
| 17:36.12 | Titan8990 | where does the problem come up? |
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| 17:36.37 | TheHouseParty | i try on irc /sever IP:PORT it tells me connection refused |
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| 17:37.11 | junk | try typing /server |
| 17:37.24 | junk | instead of /sever |
| 17:37.33 | stew | TheHouseParty: what port are you trying to use? |
| 17:37.36 | junk | then if you tried that |
| 17:37.50 | TheHouseParty | lol no junk server i mean |
| 17:37.51 | junk | NMAP scan the ip and watch if an irc protocol is running |
| 17:38.20 | stew | there is really no need to NMAP the entire ip if we already know the two ports |
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| 17:38.31 | junk | true |
| 17:38.43 | junk | but hey... why not do it the noobie way =D |
| 17:39.08 | Titan8990 | TheHouseParty, it looks to me like some kind of proxy, not an actual IRC server |
| 17:39.08 | TheHouseParty | Listening on: 0.0.0.0 port 13861 |
| 17:39.08 | TheHouseParty | Listening on: 0.0.0.0 port 11355 |
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| 17:39.20 | stew | TheHouseParty: which port is giving you connection refused? |
| 17:39.21 | Titan8990 | the documentation appears to be poorly put together |
| 17:39.34 | clarjon1 | TheHouseParty: /server localhost:13861 |
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| 17:39.43 | TheHouseParty | not from pc |
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| 17:40.12 | greycat | wonders where the Debian part of the question is |
| 17:40.26 | stew | TheHouseParty: can you show us the output of "netstat -plnt | grep :11355" when you run it AS ROOT on the machine where you are running psybnc? |
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| 17:40.38 | junk | ya me too xD but greycat why not help him anyway |
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| 17:40.46 | clarjon1 | lol |
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| 17:41.06 | TheHouseParty | netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system. |
| 17:41.10 | clarjon1 | try sbnc, it's in repos! lol |
| 17:41.11 | stew | TheHouseParty: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:41.27 | TheHouseParty | 2.6.27.10-custom2-grsec |
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| 17:42.08 | stew | TheHouseParty: where did you get that kernel? |
| 17:42.35 | stew | TheHouseParty: did you compile it? are you the system's administrator? |
| 17:42.44 | greycat | I'm guessing it's someone else's system. |
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| 17:42.51 | TheHouseParty | stew no |
| 17:42.54 | stew | yes, and he needs to be talking to that someone else |
| 17:42.59 | Titan8990 | whose grsec might not have been good enough hehe |
| 17:43.06 | stew | TheHouseParty: you need to be talking to the system administrator about this |
| 17:43.23 | TheHouseParty | stew ugh :) then plah |
| 17:43.28 | TheHouseParty | its free shells website |
| 17:43.31 | greycat | TheHouseParty: it would appear that the person who owns the system has ensured that you CANNOT use your account for this purpose. If I'm reading that error correctly. |
| 17:43.34 | TheHouseParty | but psybnc is allowed there |
| 17:44.05 | Titan8990 | link? |
| 17:44.37 | TheHouseParty | http://www.freessh.net/ |
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| 17:46.19 | Titan8990 | that website A) does not give any indication of running debian B) says nothing about psybnc only an IRC client (not proxy) C) recommends one of the worst ssh shells I have ever worked with (putty) |
| 17:46.47 | greycat | eh, putty's not bad. |
| 17:46.57 | stew | Titan8990: it does give indication of running debian |
| 17:46.58 | TheHouseParty | Titan8990 |
| 17:47.02 | Titan8990 | stew, where? |
| 17:47.12 | stew | Titan8990: on the url he posted |
| 17:47.17 | clarjon1 | putty's good on windows, i prefer a normal terminal on linux lol |
| 17:47.18 | Titan8990 | stew, i see it now |
| 17:47.36 | stew | what's wrong with putty? |
| 17:48.09 | TheHouseParty | Titan8990 , well i can connect another user psybnc |
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| 17:48.13 | clarjon1 | Eh, I can't figure out how to get it's right-click-title-bar-menu to come up so i can get to it's config gui after i've made a connection, stew |
| 17:48.17 | TheHouseParty | uing this server |
| 17:49.36 | starenka__ | hi, what should i put on lenny server to easily create vhosts (django,php) ftp accounts and mysqls? thank you |
| 17:49.49 | stew | clarjon1: ctrl-right-click ? |
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| 17:50.24 | Titan8990 | stew, my issues with putty are more preference than anything else... |
| 17:50.48 | stew | Titan8990: and therefore he shouldn't use this shell service? |
| 17:50.48 | TheHouseParty | Titan8990 so no |
| 17:50.58 | TheHouseParty | :D ok nvm |
| 17:51.04 | TheHouseParty | anybody offers free shell service? |
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| 17:51.32 | stew | TheHouseParty: uhh, lots of people do, you seem to be using one now |
| 17:51.41 | skath_ | Titan8990: which terminal program for windows do you like to use? |
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| 17:51.50 | TheHouseParty | stew ) not working my |
| 17:52.19 | Zatcharius | Hello, anyone know why DebianLive boots me to a very wavy desktop? |
| 17:52.19 | Titan8990 | skath_, i don't use windows |
| 17:52.33 | Titan8990 | well, some gaming but other than that, don't use it |
| 17:52.45 | skath_ | If only we were all so lucky |
| 17:52.54 | Titan8990 | lucky? i made a choice |
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| 17:53.40 | forest | anyone can tell me a fast CLI command to tell which JRE is installed on a given machine? |
| 17:53.40 | Titan8990 | maybe I was lucky to have made the choice early on before getting locked-in with microsoft |
| 17:53.53 | greycat | forest: java -version |
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| 17:54.26 | forest | no, that was TOO easy. it doesn't get any easier than that |
| 17:54.28 | Titan8990 | greycat, i believe that will only list the current java version that is symlinked to /usr/bin/java |
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| 17:55.08 | stew | forest: update-alternatives --list java |
| 17:55.17 | forest | Titan8990: will that not always be the version which is called / running? |
| 17:55.36 | forest | thanks stew |
| 17:55.40 | Titan8990 | forest, that is the version that your system is currently using |
| 17:55.53 | Titan8990 | stew's will tell you what else is installed and available |
| 17:56.06 | greycat | "java -version" will tell you what version you get when you actually run "java". |
| 17:56.18 | forest | great,just wanted to check before I reinstalled Tomcat |
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| 17:59.28 | forest | does anyone happen to know if J2SDK 1.4.2_10 is enough for Tomcat5 ? |
| 17:59.54 | greycat | ask a java/tomcat channel? |
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| 18:06.33 | datacrusher | what is the easyest method to access another debian machine, lime mstsc? |
| 18:06.44 | datacrusher | like |
| 18:07.04 | Kalisto | can someone help me out with a fakeraid setup and grub? im having trouble installing grub to be exact. |
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| 18:08.18 | dustybin | i need to backup my home media, like photos, music and video, what kind of backup solution should i use? should i look for something what will compress the data to save space? |
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| 18:09.41 | justin | dustybin: when was the last time you compressed a mp3 or a jpeg file? |
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| 18:09.57 | dustybin | justin: oh yeah, they are already compressed |
| 18:10.04 | dustybin | eeeek |
| 18:10.08 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: for the most part, I wouldn't bother |
| 18:10.13 | dustybin | right ok |
| 18:10.21 | dustybin | i might as well just rsync to external |
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| 18:11.02 | dustybin | i might save minimal space what isnt worth the effort |
| 18:11.22 | babilen | datacrusher: If you want shell access use ssh, If you want a remote desktop than have a look at VNC (http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer) |
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| 18:11.55 | dustybin | so rsnapshot is currently being used to backup system files from various servers, now i need to create my own script to backup onto my externals |
| 18:12.00 | datacrusher | babilen, i was just googling, im between freenx and vnc |
| 18:12.27 | babilen | datacrusher: The aforementioned website does not contain a complete list of VNC clients though. vinagre is missing for example. But that should get you going |
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| 18:18.06 | Kalisto | can someone help me out with a fakeraid setup and grub? im having trouble installing grub to be exact. i have raid-1 mirror and 1st part with Windows 2nd with Linux (no extra boot part) i tried root (hd0,1) setup (hd0) it does find the stages but upon exit windows starts normally. |
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| 18:23.20 | datacrusher | babilen, i just used vinagre and vnc server, kinda laggy, but nice |
| 18:23.27 | datacrusher | will do the job, thanks for the attention |
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| 18:28.59 | ^kane | valdyn: i now upgrated the kernl but what should have changed when i stop und start udev? |
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| 18:30.04 | pheaver | nice |
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| 18:31.22 | simonrvn | swift kick in the butt |
| 18:31.35 | NoCode | That was awesome. :) |
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| 18:36.13 | Titan8990 | anyone know if "ssb" stands for something as in !ssb bot command? |
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| 18:37.17 | HellMind | how can I split a big mbox file in 2 piece, from a determined mail? |
| 18:37.18 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: simple-sid-backpoort |
| 18:37.32 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: archivemail or similar |
| 18:37.44 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 18:38.18 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 18:38.28 | HellMind | dondelelcaro I just want to split a mail :( |
| 18:38.33 | HellMind | file |
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| 18:40.40 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: it will split a mailbox; you can also use formail too. |
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| 18:41.34 | greycat | HellMind: simplest way, if it's mbox format, is just to copy the file, then edit each copy. Remove the first half of one, and the second half of the other. |
| 18:41.36 | rob- | should debian lenny come with apache2 installed and set up straight away? |
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| 18:41.52 | greycat | rob-: only if you installed apache2 |
| 18:41.53 | dondelelcaro | rob-: if you ask for it to be installed, sure. If you don't, no. |
| 18:42.08 | HellMind | greycat but i must count till the message that I want, and know where it ends to split it |
| 18:42.16 | HellMind | there should be any script to do that |
| 18:42.17 | rob- | greycat: hmm, thanks. I asked for a "clean install" on my VPS, and it's come with all this software set up =/ |
| 18:42.49 | rob- | asks the host to do a real clean install, thankyouverymuch |
| 18:42.49 | greycat | rob-: tell them you just want a "base system" |
| 18:42.51 | greycat | rob-: plus ssh, probably. |
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| 18:43.15 | rob- | Yeha, I will. I had exactly that before, and it was great. I don't like that dirty feeling where I don't know what's been installed beforehand |
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| 18:43.21 | rob- | I'd rather set up nginx+etc. myself |
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| 18:44.45 | ^kane | does anybody know a tutorial to configure udev for sata disks on a sata-controller? |
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| 18:45.06 | flabr | hi there...i installed BT4 in a VM and I would like to run it from within the work's network...the issue is that we are behind a proxy server...I am able to browse the web with Firefox...but I am not able to use apt-get .... i tried .. export http_proxy ....but that did not help...any ideas? |
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| 18:49.52 | ^kane | #php.de |
| 18:49.53 | ^kane | #css.de |
| 18:49.55 | ^kane | #html.de |
| 18:49.57 | ^kane | #ajax.de |
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| 18:51.26 | adb | flabr, !BT4 |
| 18:51.55 | adb | ^kane, that's spamming here |
| 18:52.28 | flabr | bt4 = backtrack 4 .... its a linux distro but that it is based on debian |
| 18:52.47 | flabr | i know this is not maybe the right channel...but my question applies to any distro actually |
| 18:52.48 | dondelelcaro | flabr: unfortunatly, we can't support Debian Derivatives here. |
| 18:53.08 | dondelelcaro | if you're using Debian, you can just point yourself at a local mirror, possibly using a proxy if necessary. |
| 18:53.23 | HellMind | formail do the tricks ty, |
| 18:53.54 | HellMind | I want to a way to exim4 split the mbox files into 1gb so when it reach 1gb it will rename the mbox and start over |
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| 18:54.11 | flabr | i am able to browse the web via firefox since i added the proxy there... but i am not able to do any apt-get from console even tough I ran ... export http_proxy |
| 18:54.21 | dokma | Hey guys! I'm missing /proc/net/ip_tables_names. Is that created by some module? |
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| 18:55.54 | ^kane | adb: sorry, wasn't me, but my client |
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| 19:03.47 | Youpi | how can I change my XFCE resolution as in parameters theres only default and I cant change it ? |
| 19:03.58 | wad | Okay, newbie question for the day. I stuck a floppy in the drive of my headless debian box. How do I mount it? |
| 19:04.41 | petemc | mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/foo |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | wad: depends on what's on the floppy. mkdir /mnt; mount /dev/fd0 /mnt if it's got some sort of file system |
| 19:04.43 | pobega | wad: I barely work with floppies but IIRC, the device is /dev/fd0 |
| 19:04.57 | wad | Thanks, guys! |
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| 19:05.56 | wad | Hmm... what filesystem does a normal PC floppy use? |
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| 19:06.11 | pipegeek | fat12 |
| 19:06.13 | pipegeek | generally |
| 19:06.14 | greycat | if you mean "normal from 1999" then it's probably vfat |
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| 19:06.35 | greycat | floppies aren't "normal" any more |
| 19:06.51 | pipegeek | helpful |
| 19:07.03 | Titan8990 | i recently bought a DFI motherboard that came with a floppy w/ RAID drivers |
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| 19:07.04 | greycat | if you don't literally need to mount it, but just need to read DOS files from it, I personally prefer mtools |
| 19:07.07 | Titan8990 | recently as in 2 weeks ago |
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| 19:07.49 | asg | Titan8990: and you can still buy a Kaypro on eBay ;) |
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| 19:08.07 | petemc | Titan8990: thats fairly daft considering how practically no computers have floppy drives now, or have had for th past few years |
| 19:08.30 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
| 19:08.32 | Titan8990 | asg, that is way more awesome than a floppy.... |
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| 19:09.10 | Titan8990 | petemc, modern windows installations still require you load RAID drivers via a floppy when using RAID |
| 19:09.25 | petemc | sucks to be them |
| 19:09.30 | Titan8990 | yep... |
| 19:10.02 | petemc | tho you can recreate windows install cd to include the drives you want |
| 19:10.08 | petemc | </ot> |
| 19:10.15 | petemc | drivers |
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| 19:11.19 | marlboro | please chat on #winsuckz :S this is the debian chan |
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| 19:12.00 | balleyne | how do I get `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` to go through advanced configuration and ask me questions? are there some flags/options I need to add to the command? |
| 19:12.24 | simonrvn | balleyne: X -configure |
| 19:12.26 | petemc | balleyne: that feature is no longer available |
| 19:12.42 | balleyne | simonrvn, petemc: thanks |
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| 19:18.48 | gwhite | hi, I am looking for some help getting ldaps working in Lenny. |
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| 19:21.00 | Dravekx | YAY! I am now installing debian 5 on my server |
| 19:21.23 | Dravekx | its froze at the install screen though |
| 19:21.26 | Dravekx | hm |
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| 19:22.17 | Dravekx | anyone here? |
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| 19:23.33 | pickcoder | !ask |
| 19:23.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:24.10 | simonrvn | matteusblanc: #ldap |
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| 19:27.36 | Pnux | hey guys, im wondering if theres a way to shutdown the system now and start it again in 3 hours. Do you know any way to achieve this? |
| 19:27.52 | justin | Pnux: rtc |
| 19:27.55 | Pnux | shutdown or put it on a deeply sleep |
| 19:28.38 | stew | Pnux: your bios probably has a way to tell the machine to turn itself on at a certain time. its unlikely you'd be able to effect this from linux |
| 19:28.52 | justin | Pnux: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
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| 19:28.59 | justin | stew: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
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| 19:29.46 | Pnux | mean dpkg.. do /msg dpkg rtc and /msg dpkg UP |
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| 19:32.16 | Pnux | stew, justin: ill check the RTC, thanks |
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| 19:35.57 | test | is there any way to access a computer by ssh if they don't have a static IP? |
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| 19:37.07 | bodib | Someone wanna share their urxvt config? (.xdefaults) ? |
| 19:38.06 | pickcoder | test: ask for the IP before connecting? |
| 19:38.20 | bodib | pickcoder can you? |
| 19:38.37 | test | pickcoder: if they don't have a static IP? |
| 19:38.46 | pickcoder | I don't have a config for rxvt. I normally use cli |
| 19:38.58 | pickcoder | test: they still run the machine don't they? |
| 19:38.59 | stew | test: have the machine update a dynamic DNS server when its ip changes |
| 19:39.03 | pickcoder | do they have root access? |
| 19:39.08 | test | yes |
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| 19:39.32 | pickcoder | or do as stew suggests and sign up for a ddns service so you can use the domain instead |
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| 19:40.02 | pickcoder | you could also trigger an e-mail from dhclient when the lease is renewed |
| 19:40.12 | simonrvn | that'll be simpler |
| 19:40.13 | test | I ask them to get their ip from whatismyip.com |
| 19:40.15 | test | it gives |
| 19:40.15 | pickcoder | I haven't done that in a long time, so don't ask for an example. :) |
| 19:40.31 | test | 78.xxx.xx.xxx |
| 19:40.45 | test | when I ssh to that IP nothing happens |
| 19:41.05 | test | but whenever I'm on the local network there, I can always ssh to their local IP address 192.168.... |
| 19:41.21 | greycat | sounds like they're firewalled from the outside |
| 19:41.35 | stew | test: sounds like they are behind NAT, and the NAT router would have to be configured to forward the request fo ryou |
| 19:41.37 | test | yeah, they are in Uni halls |
| 19:41.37 | pickcoder | test: maybe SSH isn't allowed into the firewall |
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| 19:41.48 | test | yeah, I'm sure |
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| 19:41.56 | silidan | what files do handle users and groups ? |
| 19:41.57 | test | is there no way to gain ssh access then? |
| 19:42.06 | silidan | in debian lenny |
| 19:42.12 | stew | test: you'll have to talk to the firewall administrator |
| 19:42.22 | stew | silidan: what do you mean by "handle"? |
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| 19:42.32 | test | it must be pretty possible to create such a service though (where they could create some kind of outgoing connection to provide you with control of the computer) |
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| 19:42.59 | stew | test: sure |
| 19:43.09 | pickcoder | have them set up a VPN for you or configure a port 22 forward from your static IP to destination machine |
| 19:43.12 | silidan | stew: i mean what files do define the users and groups... i fear i broke some things, now i think about just getting the files from a 2nd debian install... (on the same system) |
| 19:43.18 | test | someone must have thought of that |
| 19:43.47 | test | pickcoder: but if it's behind a firewall / it's blocked off (like uni halls are) that wouldn't be possible right? |
| 19:43.48 | stew | silidan: typically /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} |
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| 19:44.25 | stew | test: its possible, but requires that you have some machine they could connect to |
| 19:44.30 | test | just because issuing commands over facebook chat is pretty tedious |
| 19:44.44 | test | stew: I do have several |
| 19:45.12 | stew | test: then you could setup a vpn server on one, or you could have them ssh to one and have ssh open a tunnel back to their machine |
| 19:45.19 | silidan | stew: strange is when i say groups myusername, i get lots of groups, when i use user-admin tool i only see 3 groups... any idea how come? |
| 19:45.28 | pickcoder | test: you're joking.. right? remote control via Facebook? |
| 19:45.33 | test | stew: any link on how to set up a tunnel to their machine? |
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| 19:45.47 | test | pickcoder: as in: I tell them the command to enter, they tell me the output, etc etc |
| 19:45.52 | pickcoder | oh |
| 19:45.53 | stew | test: "man ssh" and look at -R |
| 19:46.00 | stew | silidan: i don't know what "user-admin" is |
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| 19:47.15 | iceroot | stew: its the gui for managing users on gnome |
| 19:47.35 | iceroot | stew: or better... its looking like the gnome-manager for users |
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| 19:47.57 | test | stew: very sweet, thank you |
| 19:48.07 | test | just what I need I think... |
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| 19:48.21 | slacker_nl | hello |
| 19:48.42 | slacker_nl | anyone know why i get the following output when running aptitude changelog: http://pb.opperschaap.net/57 |
| 19:49.03 | stew | silidan: if you start a shell from gnome and run "groups" do you see lots of groups or three? were you recently added to the groups beyond the three that the gnome tool uses? |
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| 19:50.27 | nan8 | is there a known bug with aptitude (squeeze) not installing essential packages? (diffutils) |
| 19:50.44 | stew | nan8: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:51.16 | nan8 | stew: couldn't find a relevant entry yet |
| 19:51.23 | stew | nan8: then probably not |
| 19:51.34 | stew | nan8: but can you be more descriptive about how the bug you are seeing arises? like "i type <this>, i expect <this> but get <this>" ? perhaps use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:52.47 | ajehals | Hi, bit of a drama and that I can't seem to sort out... I have newly installed debian (testing) box, theprimary disk (barboot) is an encrypted lvm, but due to repeated odd issues on installation (a USB install..) I can't seem to get it to boot properly.. |
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| 19:53.40 | ajehals | What happens is that grub loads fine,in fact evrything is fine up until we start looking for the root file system. cryptsetup doesn't seem to be being invoked and the lvm isnt activated either (obvioulsy)... |
| 19:53.42 | nan8 | i just updated my squeeze - than got error messages caused by some postinst script caused by missing /usr/bin/cmp - started to write a bug report against that package - thought again: huh diff(utils) not essential? can't believe => checked aha diffutils is now the package name and it is essential - why the hell did aptitude not install it? don't know / running aptitude install '?essential' manually fixed it but otherwise aptitude wa |
| 19:53.42 | nan8 | just happy |
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| 19:54.22 | ajehals | Now initially I had issues because the usb drive and the hd 'swap' places when the usb isn't there so I assume this is related.. |
| 19:54.40 | nan8 | stew: maybe this was caused by a disk full on install |
| 19:55.02 | stew | nan8: check /var/log/aptitude and/or /var/log/dpkg.log to see when the essential package was removed |
| 19:55.35 | stew | wait |
| 19:55.38 | stew | i'm confused |
| 19:55.41 | ajehals | Does anyone know how to get cryptsetup to do its interactive thing on boot? I assumed I just needed to correct the various paths to the right partitions and then recreate the ramfs, however that doesn't seem to be working |
| 19:55.43 | nan8 | stew: i guess it was never installed |
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| 19:56.01 | ajehals | I am getting an error claiming there is an invalid line in /etc/crypttab (which I don't think there is...). |
| 19:56.04 | ajehals | Any ideas? |
| 19:56.06 | stew | nan8: diff isn't essential, what makes you thik it should be essential |
| 19:56.22 | nan8 | stew: diffutils is |
| 19:56.26 | silidan | stew: yes i see lots of groups with groups |
| 19:56.46 | stew | nan8: ahh, ok |
| 19:56.54 | stew | nan8: and which command did you run that should have installed it? |
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| 19:57.18 | nan8 | stew: a normal install should install essential packages no? |
| 19:57.21 | stew | nan8: no |
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| 19:57.43 | matteusblanc | I tried the #ldap but this is specific problem with the distros that use gnutls over ssl in the ldap build. Anyone have any other suggestions |
| 19:57.44 | nan8 | stew: oha - maybe i should read about essential again |
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| 19:57.54 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian lenny, on hp dv1215 laptop, it ahs a built in webcan,when I open kopete to configure digital camera, it detects the camera automatically but not in otehr softwares like digicam, kopete says input device = camera1, device = hpwebcam, even sykpe detects it but not digikam,how do i make it detect it or set one? |
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| 19:58.50 | click170_ | Hey is it true that two files are identical (aka hardlinked, are the same actual file on disk) if they have the same inode? Is there any exception to this? |
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| 20:00.15 | dkr | click170_: yes, no |
| 20:00.20 | radoe | click170_: true, no exception. |
| 20:00.26 | greycat | click170_: they must also be on the same device. |
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| 20:00.56 | dkr | ok, good exception, but you can't create hardlinks across filesystems anyway. :) |
| 20:01.08 | radoe | greycat: sure, otherwise the would not be hardlinked and share the same inode. |
| 20:01.10 | click170_ | Thankyou, much appreciated. Hehe, Yeah I figured that was a gimme exception ;) |
| 20:01.41 | nan8 | stew: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s3.8 |
| 20:02.27 | adb | hm, "Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings." where are "my" Multimedia settings ? |
| 20:02.41 | adb | on gnome |
| 20:02.43 | stew | nan8: yeah? |
| 20:03.03 | nan8 | stew: i read it like essential should get installed on a normal install |
| 20:03.09 | stew | nan8: I don't at all |
| 20:03.49 | stew | nan8: i read that as, if you don't have all the essential packages installed then its not he package maintainer's fault when some other pacakge breaks becuase of it |
| 20:03.55 | nan8 | stew: but the other package is not at fault because it doesn't have to (in fact should not) declare a dependency on diffutils |
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| 20:04.02 | stew | nan8: right |
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| 20:04.26 | nan8 | stew: i did not remove diffutils |
| 20:04.36 | stew | nan8: right, but you removed diff |
| 20:04.59 | nan8 | stew: no i didn't remove diff either (afair) |
| 20:05.13 | stew | nan8: you must have removed one or the other |
| 20:05.21 | stew | nan8: as at all times one or the other was a required package |
| 20:05.40 | stew | (and essential) |
| 20:05.56 | nan8 | stew: that's why i think there must be a bug somewhere |
| 20:06.01 | stew | how? |
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| 20:06.08 | stew | nan8: when was the diff package removed? |
| 20:06.15 | nan8 | stew: the only non-standard think of that install is, that the disk ran full on install |
| 20:06.23 | nan8 | stew: i think it was never installed |
| 20:06.36 | stew | oh, so you are saying a bug in the installer? |
| 20:06.46 | stew | that failed to install all the essential packages? |
| 20:06.57 | nan8 | maybe? |
| 20:07.06 | nan8 | i don't know |
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| 20:07.09 | test | stew: this is strange, when I test the tunelling on my computer and server (controlling my home comp from the server) it works fine. When I get them to do it, they connect just fine, no errors. When I try to ssh -p 2048 localhost ...it asks for the pass. I put in the correct password (definitely), but it says authentication failed |
| 20:07.11 | stew | did you check the logs to see if it was ever installed? |
| 20:07.15 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.20 | helo | wtf heh |
| 20:07.34 | nan8 | stew: yes, it was never installed (but i am not sure the logs are complete) |
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| 20:08.11 | nan8 | stew: better: according to the maybe incomplete logs it was never installed |
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| 20:08.43 | nan8 | stew: (until today, manually) |
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| 20:11.08 | silidan | where can i change the standart webbrowser for gnome deskop in lenny 8right now it starts epiphaniy... , wanna change that to iceweasel) |
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| 20:12.01 | nan8 | silidan: system->settings->prefered applications (or similar) |
| 20:12.24 | nan8 | silidan: or using gconf: /desktop/gnome/applications/browser |
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| 20:12.49 | silidan | nan8: thanks man thats it :) |
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| 20:13.52 | stew | nan8: how did you install debian? using which version of the installer? |
| 20:13.54 | silidan | this problem was solved in less than 1m40s |
| 20:13.56 | silidan | :) |
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| 20:14.40 | JarlG | Is there any easy way to remove all current graphics-drivers? |
| 20:15.15 | JarlG | ATI, if it helps. |
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| 20:16.14 | stew | JarlG: "aptitude remove '~nxserver-xorg-video'" this will, of course, remove the x server with it |
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| 20:17.04 | JarlG | stew: Would this remove the entire x server, or just part of it? |
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| 20:17.19 | yareckon | hi guys, anyone know if there will be a version of icedove that will track the thunderbird 3 betas as we approach release? |
| 20:17.26 | stew | JarlG: the entire x server, the x server isn't usable without video drivers |
| 20:17.29 | stew | JarlG: what is your actual goal? |
| 20:17.31 | nan8 | stew: weekly build from 2009-09-01 using CD1 |
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| 20:17.39 | JarlG | stew: Also, what would be the difference between using 'remove' and 'purge' in that case? |
| 20:17.42 | yareckon | The ubuntu mozilla team maintains the debian package, but I don't see any packages built for debian |
| 20:17.46 | yareckon | only for ubuntu |
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| 20:18.30 | JarlG | stew: Actual goal is to reinstall http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary <-- this, I messed up by installing driver from ATIs site while I had this driver working - just to test if there was any improvement... |
| 20:18.58 | stew | nan8: which is right around the time this change was made, so I'd not be suprised if that installer had an error |
| 20:19.12 | JarlG | stew: Now I have a very badly working driver, because I applied that guide to the installation of the current driver form ati's site... f.ex. scrolling on sites is laggy. |
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| 20:19.15 | stew | JarlG: oh, then ignore me |
| 20:19.18 | slacker_nl | anyone know why i get the following output when running aptitude changelog: http://pb.opperschaap.net/57 |
| 20:19.19 | nan8 | stew: ok - so this is a non-issue right? |
| 20:19.30 | stew | nan8: i haven't checked |
| 20:19.34 | JarlG | stew: Okay, thanks anyways. :) |
| 20:19.43 | nan8 | stew: what do you mean with "this change" ? |
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| 20:20.06 | stew | nan8: the diff->diffutils transition |
| 20:20.12 | nan8 | stew: i see, thanks! |
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| 20:20.40 | cq | hello, is it safe to auto apt-get upgrade stable? or better to just do it every few weeks by hand? |
| 20:21.04 | yareckon | first define "safe" |
| 20:21.12 | stew | cq: it's not safe |
| 20:21.14 | justin | cq: install apticron or something and have it email you when updates are available |
| 20:21.22 | cq | yareckon: safe==machine still runs, nothing major broken |
| 20:22.08 | yareckon | I think that it's generally safe for your vps, but not for your production server |
| 20:22.14 | stew | its not generally safe |
| 20:22.17 | yareckon | now define "major" |
| 20:22.19 | yareckon | :) |
| 20:22.33 | justin | stew: it is generally safe, it still isn't a good idea though |
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| 20:22.41 | cq | major == noboot, nologin, grub rescuing, ... ;) |
| 20:23.04 | cq | plus no databases hosed ;) |
| 20:23.17 | yareckon | I would say that you will be unlikely to encounter those conditions auto upgrading stable... but I wouldn't bet a lot on it |
| 20:23.25 | stew | justin: its not generally safe. for an example, the openssh bug would have failed in this scenario |
| 20:23.34 | little_owl | I use Debian Lenny running on a laptop with Intel's graphics and external monitor. Sometimes X falls down and it is not possible to restart them. Previously when I used to use CentOS it worked fine, so it is distro related problem. There is nothing in logs. Any hint how to find out what is wrong? |
| 20:23.51 | stew | you would have been guaranteed to encounter those conditions auto upgrading stable recently |
| 20:23.53 | justin | stew: one example does not make 'generally' |
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| 20:24.09 | stew | ok |
| 20:24.30 | stew | cq: we can't predict if it will be safe. in the recent past it hasn't been safe |
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| 20:24.41 | yareckon | openssh would have failed how, not allowing login? |
| 20:24.48 | justin | stew: that works :) |
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| 20:25.04 | justin | little_owl: you were potentially using a completely different intel driver on centos |
| 20:25.06 | yareckon | I upgraded by hand in that scenario, and I can't remember when it would have fallen over.. |
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| 20:25.22 | stew | yareckon: it would fail to upgrade and be left vulnerable |
| 20:25.55 | little_owl | yes, it is possible, RedHat does backports. |
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| 20:26.38 | yareckon | hmmm.... didn't know that the rollout of the fix was also problematic |
| 20:26.45 | stew | it wasn't |
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| 20:27.10 | little_owl | Can you suggest me an approach/way how to catch/debug it? |
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| 20:28.59 | yareckon | you could try to run x under a debugger, but that won't be usable... so hopefully it crashes quick :) |
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| 20:30.01 | little_owl | Well, this is exactly what I try to avoid :-) |
| 20:30.01 | stew | little_owl: ask #intel-gfx |
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| 20:30.08 | yareckon | you could try to see if you can narrow down which version of the intel drivers and your chipset and look at some of the bugs on freedesktop.org where x dev happens.... the intel video driver has been getting its guts ripped out |
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| 20:30.22 | little_owl | Thanks all. |
| 20:30.23 | yareckon | just recently it has stabilized again |
| 20:30.29 | cq | if I want to run a mailserver for my LAN, so that all emails end up on one machine, how should I set up exim? |
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| 20:36.36 | lghtng- | whats the current Lenny kernel version? |
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| 20:37.10 | stew | judd: kernel --release lenny |
| 20:37.12 | judd | stew: Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17) |
| 20:37.32 | lghtng- | hrm |
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| 20:38.07 | bodib | I just saw djbdns and dnscache come up on the obsolete list for Debian Apt |
| 20:38.13 | bodib | Who else makes a proper DNS cache? I don't know of any. |
| 20:38.17 | bodib | BIND isn't the answer. |
| 20:38.22 | lghtng- | i need at least 2.6.29 in the install media for my wireless, which release code should i use? |
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| 20:38.34 | stew | lghtng-: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:38.50 | greycat | A lot of the Debian developers dislike DJB and his software for various reasons. |
| 20:38.58 | bodib | I'm saying that Debian is pulling tinydns' dnscache OUT |
| 20:38.59 | greycat | You're best off just building it yourself. |
| 20:39.31 | bodib | I run roughly 300 queries a second through four of them |
| 20:39.36 | bodib | no issues |
| 20:39.42 | stew | bodib: djbdns is still in debian |
| 20:39.51 | greycat | judd, versions djbdns |
| 20:39.51 | judd | greycat: djbdns -- etch-backports: 1:1.05-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.05-4 lenny-security: 1:1.05-4+lenny1 sid: 1:1.05-7 |
| 20:40.03 | stew | bodib: its got lots of security problems though |
| 20:40.21 | yareckon | uh-oh, here we go |
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| 20:40.37 | bodib | never even heard of a security issue with dnscache |
| 20:40.38 | stew | bodib: are you running squeeze? |
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| 20:41.42 | bodib | yeah I'm running squeeze |
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| 20:42.06 | stew | bodib: yeah, it was removed from sqeeze because of security problems |
| 20:43.30 | bodib | :( |
| 20:43.31 | bodib | :/ |
| 20:43.32 | stew | bodib: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2009-0858 http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2008-4392 |
| 20:43.46 | stew | bodib: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/DSA-1831-1 |
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| 20:46.05 | dustybin | when i hit ipcs on root, my screen fills up with mythtv Shared Memory Segments entries, does that mean mythtv is leaking memory? |
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| 20:49.03 | ^kane | can somebody tell me how to configure SATA hard drives on a controller under udev? |
| 20:49.55 | bodib | stew greycat : is there any replacement for dnscache that works as well? bind certainly does not |
| 20:50.04 | ikonia | stew: he's just done #ubuntu and ##linux too |
| 20:50.32 | stew | bodib: bind works well for me |
| 20:50.42 | stew | i've never tried anything else |
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| 20:50.56 | greycat | bodib: I would just apply the patches (if you like) to djbdns and build it |
| 20:51.09 | ikonia | bodib: while I agree with stew bind is the king, djbdns works well |
| 20:51.12 | bodib | I have 300 req/s on four machine |
| 20:51.30 | bodib | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.34 | bodib | I am looking for long-term retention |
| 20:52.28 | bodib | so? |
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| 20:53.19 | bodib | stew ? |
| 20:53.23 | stew | bodib: what? |
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| 20:53.39 | bodib | I am looking for long-term retention |
| 20:53.46 | bodib | I need a good orwarding cache |
| 20:54.26 | greycat | The first security issue that stew linked to only affects tinydns/axfrdns anyway, and not dnscache. I haven't got to the second one yet. |
| 20:54.33 | greycat | And the patch for the first issue is a two-liner. |
| 20:54.38 | jelly-home | what's wrong with djbdns? |
| 20:55.06 | stew | jelly-home: its not in squeeze becuase of the Severity: critical bug |
| 20:55.18 | bodib | stew: did djb pay out on those? |
| 20:55.36 | stew | bodib: what do you mean by "pay out" ? |
| 20:55.39 | jelly-home | stew: thankfully noone sane builds production systems on squeeze |
| 20:55.49 | greycat | I'm still trying to understand exactly what problem the first issue causes. |
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| 20:56.28 | bodib | stew, greycat: djb used to offer something like US$500 for any security holes in dbdns and qmail, no? |
| 20:56.30 | frogfoo | stew: didn't he offer cash prizes for bugs? |
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| 20:56.54 | stew | i dunno, many have been pointed out that he never fixes in any case |
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| 20:58.01 | bodib | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/guarantee.html says it's $1000 |
| 20:58.05 | greycat | "The DNS cache from djbdns 1.05, dnscache, would have rejected these records as poison, but it's possible other DNS caches might accept them." |
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| 20:58.39 | greycat | As far as I can see, this first issue only allows an attacker RUNNING tinydns to poison non-DJB caches. |
| 20:59.17 | greycat | Doesn't look "critical" to me, unless I'm missing something. |
| 20:59.32 | bodib | stew: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/guarantee.html says it's $1000 |
| 20:59.40 | greycat | moves on to the second one |
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| 21:00.43 | bodib | he paid the 1000 USD ? |
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| 21:01.56 | stew | bodib: no, he didn't |
| 21:02.01 | stew | bodib: afaik |
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| 21:02.29 | aporetic | hey guys, is there a source of 'official' or otherwise vetted debian images for use on amazon ec2? |
| 21:02.43 | bodib | None of those "issues" looked like the kind of things he _said_ he'd pay for. "Makes it easier to spoof a response" was in fact EXPLICITLY excluded from the list. |
| 21:02.54 | stew | bodib: i believe he thinks that the fix is to get rid of dns and replace it with something else |
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| 21:03.18 | jelly-home | stew: or a more reasonable approach, to fix dns. |
| 21:03.48 | bodib | he's probably right, too. DNS sure seems to be a giant mess. |
| 21:03.56 | greycat | So the second one is debatable as to whether it's even a security issue at all. |
| 21:04.09 | stew | bodib: oh, and that guarnantee explicitly doesn't cover at leats some of these bugs |
| 21:04.12 | greycat | (I don't see any patch for it, either.) |
| 21:04.22 | helo | anyone have trouble with ipmasq blocking all packets occasionally? |
| 21:04.40 | helo | it just logs and drops every incoming and outgoing packet after a reboot |
| 21:04.46 | helo | if i restart ipmasq it works fine again |
| 21:04.49 | catsup | um |
| 21:04.57 | dustybin | does anybody here draw graphical pictures of hosts/servers and how they work with eachother etc |
| 21:05.02 | catsup | the second one? i only see one thing, http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/501294/30/ |
| 21:05.05 | catsup | what's the other one |
| 21:05.28 | greycat | http://secunia.com/advisories/33855 shows both |
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| 21:05.43 | catsup | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518169 <-- DJB gives $1000 |
| 21:05.44 | greycat | (but the order on that page is the reverse of the two URLs stew gave) |
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| 21:08.59 | Supertanker | Hi; apt-get autoremove behaves in absolutely stupid and moronic ways, and removed quite a few of my packages the other day. How can I disable it? |
| 21:09.03 | Supertanker | Permenantly? |
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| 21:09.12 | Supertanker | (As in, it removed them when I was doing an apt-get *INSTALL*) |
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| 21:10.22 | yareckon | apt-get autoremove is definitely very eager... as is aptitude I find |
| 21:11.04 | yareckon | are you sure you weren't doing an upgrade though rather than an install? |
| 21:11.22 | stew | i didn't think apt-get would autoremove until you actually called autoremove |
| 21:11.36 | Supertanker | stew, I just tried installling libfam0 on my server. |
| 21:11.42 | Supertanker | It just freaking removed half of lxde |
| 21:11.47 | Supertanker | it would have removed the other half if I hadn't control+c'd |
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| 21:11.58 | stew | Supertanker: can you show us the output? |
| 21:12.02 | stew | use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:12.15 | Supertanker | stew, bleeeh, i just /cleared |
| 21:12.34 | Supertanker | Hang on, I'm running screen |
| 21:12.36 | yareckon | yeah... I find that the new upgrade manager in gnome at least wavers between not upgrading anything out of caution, and offering to remove half of my system to get a new version of gedit-data or some such.. |
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| 21:12.51 | stew | yareckon: do you run testing? |
| 21:13.20 | yareckon | no, I'm on unstable... and appreciate the new warnings in upgrade manager |
| 21:13.39 | yareckon | it's been too cautions recently... I have to go into synaptic to get anything new |
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| 21:14.05 | yareckon | used to be that upgrade manager would remove relatively core packages for minor version bumps |
| 21:14.52 | Supertanker | stew, one moment |
| 21:15.02 | stew | if you are going to run unstable, you probably shouldn't be relying on update-manager |
| 21:15.06 | yareckon | just wonder if there is a way for it to look a the dependency tree and say... hm.. something closer to the root, probably not gonna want to rip that out for some little package way out here |
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| 21:15.50 | yareckon | stew, I'm not complaining.... just imagining a better future :) |
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| 21:15.55 | Supertanker | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1599567 |
| 21:16.21 | Supertanker | isn't quite sure what happened there. |
| 21:16.47 | stew | Supertanker: this hsas nothing to do with autoremove |
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| 21:17.16 | stew | judd: conflicts libgamin0 |
| 21:17.17 | judd | stew: libgamin0 -- Conflicts: libfam0c102, libfam0 |
| 21:17.22 | Supertanker | stew, what does it have to do with them? |
| 21:17.35 | Supertanker | Are you serious? |
| 21:17.39 | Supertanker | *That* is what made it remove lxde? |
| 21:17.40 | yareckon | it means you asked it to get rid of x to get y |
| 21:17.47 | jaysn_ | yareckon: do you know if there's a file that logs when other files were accessed? |
| 21:17.50 | Supertanker | All I told it to do was install something. |
| 21:17.53 | Supertanker | ... |
| 21:19.04 | yareckon | jaysn_, generally? I don't think so... there is a unix atime on most files in ext2/3/4 filesystems |
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| 21:19.15 | jelly-home | Supertanker: it should have told you it was going to remove stuff before continuing |
| 21:19.18 | yareckon | unless you are running with mount options noatime |
| 21:19.29 | Supertanker | jelly-home, it actually did, but it didn't give much warning. |
| 21:19.36 | jaysn_ | yareckon: does atime return the last access time or a log of access times? |
| 21:19.39 | jelly-home | Supertanker: read the output! |
| 21:19.48 | stew | Supertanker: so lxde-core depends on pcmanfm which depends on gamin which depends on libgamin0 and libgamin0 conflicts with libfam0 |
| 21:20.10 | Supertanker | stew, great. Just bloody great. |
| 21:20.11 | yareckon | atime is a value of the node i nthe filesystem.... it's not a log of anykind |
| 21:20.17 | stew | judd: depends pcmanfm |
| 21:20.19 | judd | stew: pcmanfm -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libfam0, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libhal-storage1 (>= 0.5.8.1), libhal1 (>= 0.5.8.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6, gamin, shared-mime-info, desktop-file-utils, dbus, hal |
| 21:20.20 | Supertanker | is going to get in the habit of adding --no-remove *now*. |
| 21:20.26 | jaysn_ | yareckon: thank you kindly |
| 21:20.28 | Supertanker | What an idiotic system. |
| 21:20.38 | Supertanker | lightty depends on libfam0. |
| 21:20.42 | stew | hmm, depends on both gamin and libfam0, don't know how that works |
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| 21:20.48 | Supertanker | So basically, I have to chose between my webserver and my desktop? |
| 21:21.18 | simonrvn | lighty can run off gamin, fyi |
| 21:21.21 | rob- | can anyone recommend an unmanaged VPS host that will provide debian? |
| 21:21.26 | yareckon | there **could** be some type of audit system depending on your security setup (selinux or apparmor), but I'm not sure that I can help you further |
| 21:21.31 | yareckon | slicehost |
| 21:21.41 | Supertanker | simonrvn, not without an annoying error at each startup. |
| 21:21.52 | stew | seems like this gamin/famd thing should have been worked out by now |
| 21:22.00 | simonrvn | warning, not error |
| 21:22.06 | Supertanker | True. |
| 21:22.08 | Supertanker | Starting web server: lighttpd/usr/sbin/lighttpd: Symbol `FamErrlist' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 21:22.22 | stew | simonrvn: he'd have to compile a custom package? |
| 21:22.34 | simonrvn | if built against gamin, it doesn't do this (/me builds lighty locally) |
| 21:22.43 | stew | Supertanker: you'd be relinking anyway |
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| 21:23.16 | simonrvn | it's a minor warning, and it doesn't prevent it from running |
| 21:23.27 | simonrvn | (gamin's better tbf) |
| 21:23.58 | stew | simonrvn: he's going to end up rebuilding to change the pacakge depends anyway, right? |
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| 21:24.15 | Supertanker | I'll leave it and hope it doesn't screw anything else over in my system |
| 21:24.20 | Supertanker | Now, back to what I was doing *earlier* today... |
| 21:24.21 | truder | hi, i need the following dependency for an application, and i'm still new to this kind of stuff.. dependency is: libsm.so.6 |
| 21:24.24 | Supertanker | Getting perl working with lightty. :P |
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| 21:24.47 | simonrvn | iirc the build-deps are laibfamblah-dev | libgaminblah-dev but that might be my own mod ;) |
| 21:24.49 | truder | how do i go on about getting it ? tried apt-get but no success |
| 21:24.53 | simonrvn | check |
| 21:25.22 | simonrvn | yeh, you'd have to, |
| 21:25.29 | simonrvn | libmysqlclient15-dev, libfam-dev, libldap2- |
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| 21:27.10 | Supertanker | And horray. |
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| 21:27.19 | Supertanker | There's perl working with my webserver. |
| 21:28.16 | yareckon | truder, that would be apt-get install libsm6 |
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| 21:29.48 | yareckon | for future reference, you can also do apt-cache search X |
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| 21:30.15 | yareckon | where X is part of the package name... |
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| 21:37.31 | dustybin | 00 12 * * 6,0 <-- will this run a job every saturday and sunday at 12 ? |
| 21:38.26 | jony123 | how to do i clear all the .deb 's downloaded by apt-get? |
| 21:38.37 | azeem | jony123: apt-get clean |
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| 21:39.21 | simonrvn | dustybin: i think so |
| 21:39.30 | dustybin | ace |
| 21:39.38 | dustybin | simonrvn: man crontab has no examples at all |
| 21:39.50 | simonrvn | man 5 crontab dude |
| 21:40.25 | yareckon | simonrvn, what the heck is that man X programname thing about anyway |
| 21:40.32 | yareckon | ? |
| 21:40.35 | dkr | No manual entry for dude in section 5 |
| 21:40.47 | yareckon | is it like an overflow room :) |
| 21:40.50 | simonrvn | dkr: hehe |
| 21:40.56 | dustybin | oh |
| 21:41.05 | simonrvn | yareckon: man <section> <page> |
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| 21:41.17 | simonrvn | man man if you must ;) |
| 21:41.48 | yareckon | indeed.. |
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| 21:42.03 | dustybin | mans women instead |
| 21:42.08 | yareckon | just don't type man find into google |
| 21:42.17 | dkr | documentation should only be between a man and a woman? |
| 21:42.19 | simonrvn | my definite preference also ;) |
| 21:42.36 | simonrvn | dkr: to each their own my friend |
| 21:43.02 | simonrvn | what people do in their bedrooms is not business </ot> |
| 21:43.06 | simonrvn | not my* |
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| 21:44.05 | dkr | waits for someone to paste the ol' unzip && touch && mount && fsck etc. ;) |
| 21:44.19 | simonrvn | !sex |
| 21:44.19 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 21:44.30 | dkr | heh |
| 21:44.31 | simonrvn | dkr: that one? ;) |
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| 21:45.01 | dkr | "uptime" cracks me up |
| 21:45.26 | TrueDD_ | Good night all |
| 21:45.36 | simonrvn | nighty night |
| 21:46.04 | yareckon | so.... ignorance alert... I have a icedove.orig.tar.gz, an icedove.diff.gz, and an icedove.dsc.... what tool do I use to compile this into a deb.. and what's this /debian/changelog that the tools I try keep whining about? *cue someone telling me to read the packaging documentation from page 1 * |
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| 21:47.13 | simonrvn | yareckon: unpack the tarball, cd into the dir, run patch with the diff (use zcat), and install some build tools, like devscripts fakeroot etc. |
| 21:48.03 | dkr | yareckon: apttitude install build-essential |
| 21:48.24 | dkr | makes at least one of those steps easier, :) |
| 21:48.44 | yareckon | ok.. the tarball contains.... another tarball from mozilla.... I will do all of the above.... but at what point do I get the /debian diretory contents... or is it too late if I don't have that already |
| 21:49.03 | simonrvn | it's in the diff... |
| 21:49.09 | yareckon | thanks! |
| 21:49.22 | yareckon | thanks dkr, that's a nice metapkg |
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| 21:52.23 | yareckon | tarball is still unzipping on my ppc g4... good lord that's a lot of pudding |
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| 21:59.21 | Rezagrats | In Debian, is there a different name for 'GNU Make' or am i just not finding it ? |
| 21:59.32 | Matic`Makovec | No, why? |
| 21:59.36 | Matic`Makovec | apt-cache search make |
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| 22:00.34 | Rezagrats | Matic`Makovec, that gave me such a huge list. :( |
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| 22:00.56 | Matic`Makovec | apt-cache search make |grep make |
| 22:00.58 | Matic`Makovec | ? |
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| 22:01.38 | markybob | ffs...it's make. aptitude install make and you've got gnu make |
| 22:01.56 | Matic`Makovec | Yeah, exactly |
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| 22:02.02 | Matic`Makovec | Jutr tried to show it :< |
| 22:02.06 | Matic`Makovec | Just * |
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| 22:03.07 | Rezagrats | I've been on a few system and some like to absolutely mangle the names because of package abusers(they'd download the package a multitude of times for no reason at all). |
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| 22:03.32 | Rezagrats | Thanks, Matic`Makovec, markybob. |
| 22:04.42 | Rezagrats | Wow... now aptitude can't find GCC. >_>; |
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| 22:05.21 | Rezagrats | works off synaptic for a few. |
| 22:05.28 | markybob | Rezagrats, aptitude update && aptitude install build-essential |
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| 22:05.29 | gasull | Hi. At the boot up and also with safe-upgrade I get this error: "mainError: /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main is not accessible or does not exist failed!" What should I do? Thanks. |
| 22:05.41 | Matic`Makovec | You really should slap couple of cool repositories Rezagrats. And apt-get update |
| 22:06.10 | matteusblanc | openldap2.4.11 on lenny uses gnutls, there is a bug in it which interfers with ssl connections. Has anyone upgraded to 2.4.17 from the unstable repo? |
| 22:06.18 | Rezagrats | Idk any repos for Debian(even though i started off in Ubuntu) |
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| 22:06.39 | Rezagrats | What are Build and Header files for a kernel ? |
| 22:06.43 | markybob | Rezagrats, mixing distros will get your system fucked. dont do it |
| 22:06.52 | Rezagrats | I know this, markybob. |
| 22:06.58 | Rezagrats | From exp, actually. :x |
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| 22:07.32 | markybob | ...ok. so wtf is your problem? the repository should already be in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:08.09 | Rezagrats | It is, but i'm trying to install Guest Additions for VBox and it's asking for stuff i don't know about. |
| 22:08.44 | markybob | Rezagrats, did you do what i said? the line with aptitude update? |
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| 22:08.55 | Rezagrats | I net-installed. |
| 22:09.00 | markybob | i dont care, dude |
| 22:09.02 | Rezagrats | But i'll do it anyways,. |
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| 22:09.42 | markybob | bleh |
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| 22:10.49 | robd | Hey guys |
| 22:11.03 | robd | I'm running etch and I've got only two ethernet cards installed in my system but they show up as eth2 and eth3 |
| 22:11.05 | nafur | hi, i try to install my server with several crypted partitions and want to use several keyfiles. how can i get my initramfs to mount the partition with the keyfiles on it and do the mountint? |
| 22:11.09 | nafur | *mounting |
| 22:11.12 | robd | Is there anyway to reset this so they'll show up as eth0 and eth1? |
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| 22:11.28 | robd | (The system was moved from another chassis and thus the MAC addresses on the NICs wouldn't match) |
| 22:11.46 | robd | I was looking in /etc/modprobe.d for anything associating the NICs with eth0 / eth1 |
| 22:12.02 | robd | Is there any other place that the mac address could be hard coded to a name? |
| 22:12.12 | Rezagrats | http://pastebin.com/m9bc1bd4 is what i'm getting even after i did what markybob suggested. |
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| 22:12.26 | nafur | i have it somehow working, but i can't figure out how initramfs gets to know what should be mounted... |
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| 22:13.07 | macrobat | gasull: first idea would be to look for that file, see its permissions. i dont know any sql |
| 22:15.09 | macrobat | Rezagrats: install the kernel-headers, the same version as your kernel |
| 22:15.45 | macrobat | aptitude search kernel-headers |
| 22:16.05 | catsup | robd: it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 22:16.18 | robd | catsup: Thanks! |
| 22:16.48 | robd | catsup: That for etch too? (version 4) |
| 22:17.29 | m6d4 | robd: this is where my etch file is /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:17.37 | catsup | oh |
| 22:18.08 | catsup | sorry the machine i checked has been upgraded from old versions of udev, z25 is correct for a new install |
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| 22:18.57 | catsup | !z25 |
| 22:18.57 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 22:19.09 | catsup | oh no wait |
| 22:19.13 | catsup | it's the other way aroudn :p |
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| 22:21.29 | Rezagrats | W00t, thanks macrobat. ^_^ |
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| 22:24.42 | yareckon | as far as building goes the path of least resistance was dpgk-source -x icedove.dsc |
| 22:24.46 | yareckon | cd icedove/ |
| 22:24.59 | yareckon | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 22:25.06 | yareckon | and away it went |
| 22:25.28 | yareckon | compiling 350MB on this machine is going to take a while |
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| 22:26.48 | yareckon | oh, and first had to isntall like 25 -dev packages that were build dependencies (over and above build-essential) |
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| 22:27.04 | nafur | is there anyone who knows how to handle luks-encrypted partitions in initramfs? |
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| 22:29.27 | lex | Ok, some weirdo wants me to find a way to disable a particular's user access to the su - command. It doesnt sound ok to me because i would think that would break a number of things. Ive told him to forget his root password and use sudo by policy, but this ex-win-"admins" are tough nuts to crack (as if you could do someting similar in windows!). So, anyone knows of a pam_thingie or something that would allow me to reject attempts to su - ? |
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| 22:30.28 | mastermanx | , |
| 22:30.36 | yareckon | change the root password? :) |
| 22:31.05 | dokma | How to make 'iptables -A INPUT -s xx.xx.xx.xx -j DROP' permanent? |
| 22:31.48 | lex | yareckon, that was MY answer as well. His answer? "The user will try it anyway and that aint cool" |
| 22:32.23 | purplepenguins | disabling access to su will also disable changing user accounts to something a non-superuser |
| 22:32.25 | lex | dokma, iptables-save is the way, then use /etc/init.d/iptables to see where that file from the iptables-save command should go |
| 22:32.36 | yareckon | what the user tries may be uncool...that's like the first rule of multi-user computing |
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| 22:32.48 | dokma | lex: sounds right |
| 22:32.50 | lex | purplepenguins, Agreed... Im actually just checking to see if Im not being too harsh. |
| 22:32.51 | dokma | let me check itout |
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| 22:33.12 | purplepenguins | /bin/su is setuid root |
| 22:33.27 | lex | Yep, couldnt be any other way. |
| 22:33.38 | purplepenguins | you could disable it for everyone by removing that |
| 22:33.41 | yareckon | you could unlink the su program I guess... |
| 22:33.44 | yareckon | yeah |
| 22:33.48 | lex | For example, I can setfacl against execution for a particular user, but im pretty sure something important would break. |
| 22:34.03 | purplepenguins | but that would be insanely inconvenient and probably break the hell out of things |
| 22:34.19 | AimHere | If this guy is a windows dingbat, couldn't you rename su to su.real and have the su program being a bash script of the ilk 'if $USER == baduser; do echo "go away"; else su.real $1 $2 $3 etc |
| 22:34.22 | lex | I agree... three men nuke submarine rule says I tell this guy he is bonkers. |
| 22:34.33 | lex | AimHere, not a bad idea. |
| 22:34.50 | yareckon | that's hilarious |
| 22:34.51 | purplepenguins | that would be a really kludgey solution |
| 22:35.05 | AimHere | Of course it would |
| 22:35.12 | purplepenguins | it would work though |
| 22:35.16 | yareckon | and if the windows admin tries su, it should give him a lecture |
| 22:35.18 | AimHere | The point is to make dingbat admin go away |
| 22:35.48 | purplepenguins | maybe |
| 22:35.58 | jaysn_ | i don't know |
| 22:36.13 | dokma | lex: there is no /etc/init.d/iptables in any debian package |
| 22:36.19 | lex | Yes yes.... its idiotic really. The thing with this guy is that he rejects sudo cause its a bit inconvenient. Man, not having su is REALLY inconvenient. |
| 22:36.22 | dokma | lex: where did you get that from? |
| 22:36.24 | lex | Oy! |
| 22:36.29 | lex | Wrong distro I guess |
| 22:36.35 | purplepenguins | sudo isn't inconvenient |
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| 22:36.44 | purplepenguins | in any case |
| 22:36.49 | lex | purplepenguins, I agree. This guy is inconvenient. |
| 22:36.56 | purplepenguins | you can use sudo -i to do the same thing as su - |
| 22:37.10 | purplepenguins | so that's just inane |
| 22:37.12 | yareckon | dokma, he put you on the right track... |
| 22:37.30 | purplepenguins | i'm not going to say sudo is better than su, only that sudo subsumes the functionality of su |
| 22:37.31 | dokma | yareckon: sure did. found some article on iptables-save |
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| 22:37.33 | rdz_ | how to make a program such as vncserver listen only on the localhost device? |
| 22:37.53 | AimHere | Why does windows dingbat thing that su is any less secure than the gdm/kdm/login programs? |
| 22:38.00 | dokma | it mentions 'post-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.save' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:38.09 | AimHere | *think |
| 22:38.09 | dokma | sounds right to me |
| 22:38.14 | lex | dokma, now from my old days, id probably make an init.d script to iptables-restore on start() and iptables -F; -P ACCEPT * on stop |
| 22:38.19 | dokma | to do this after an interface has come up |
| 22:38.26 | lex | ah there it is |
| 22:38.27 | lex | Yea |
| 22:38.35 | lex | dokma, just iptables-save to that file |
| 22:38.37 | lex | And it should work |
| 22:38.47 | lex | iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables.save |
| 22:38.52 | yareckon | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445.. a whole discussion.. not sure who wins though |
| 22:38.52 | dokma | great! |
| 22:39.24 | lex | dokma, should have the tables loaded already though.... |
| 22:39.44 | dokma | I'll try it out |
| 22:40.02 | dokma | is there a way to make a file immutable even to root? |
| 22:40.10 | lex | not really |
| 22:40.34 | petemc | dokma: chattr +i |
| 22:40.39 | lex | keyword here being "really" |
| 22:41.00 | dokma | yeah... I was looking for really |
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| 22:41.22 | dokma | but I guess no matter what you do it is only a matter of how much time root needs to revert it |
| 22:41.38 | lex | root with local access can do anything, no matter what. So stop worrying. |
| 22:42.34 | dokma | but wouldn't it be nice if there was a way to put something in kernel to prevent a file from ever being modified? |
| 22:42.46 | AimHere | SOmeone with local access can do anything. It just takes more time if they don't have the root password |
| 22:42.50 | petemc | and what happens if you change your mind? |
| 22:42.52 | catsup | um |
| 22:42.59 | dokma | for example I wouldn't like my kernel being modified no matter what |
| 22:43.00 | lex | Well, there is the selinux thingie. But that aint nice to work with. And even that is gone once youre inside with the victim. |
| 22:43.01 | catsup | well there is the concept of a human person with root |
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| 22:43.07 | catsup | and then there is the concept of processes with uid=0 |
| 22:43.44 | catsup | the class of processes with uid=0 might be restricted from modifying certain things |
| 22:43.49 | yareckon | you could not have any users at all, your system would be an unstoppable inhuman jugguernaut |
| 22:43.50 | AimHere | So, dokma, what happens if your kernel needs a security patch? |
| 22:44.08 | catsup | in any case, nobody can overwrite a CDROM |
| 22:44.13 | AimHere | There was a big one just very recently that only got fixed in 2.6.30 or thereabouts |
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| 22:44.24 | dokma | hehehe ... that's true alright |
| 22:44.32 | lex | We are drifting.... what, exactly, do you need dokma ? (man, long time no #debian, it still feels good) |
| 22:45.08 | lex | Okay, here is a good one: how to allow a user to sftp, but not ssh? |
| 22:45.14 | catsup | actually the whole logic that local users can do anything is obsoleted by 'trusted computing' type mechanisms |
| 22:45.17 | lex | is there some magic hosts.deny thingie? |
| 22:45.19 | dokma | if you had a horde or linux admins and you wanted to make sure they couldn't tamper with a few key points in the system |
| 22:45.26 | yareckon | so he's hacked this guys server, how does he keep him locked out without changing the root password on him? :) |
| 22:45.27 | lex | catsup, well, if that worked.... |
| 22:45.27 | catsup | lex: there's a login shell for that |
| 22:45.36 | petemc | lex: scponly |
| 22:45.48 | purplepenguins | huh, that's pretty cool |
| 22:45.48 | lex | catsup, /bin/false on login shell wont break sftp? |
| 22:45.50 | yareckon | wow, that is interesting actually |
| 22:46.13 | catsup | lex: there's a login shell that's designed to allow sftp, scp, rsync, etc., but not ssh |
| 22:46.15 | lex | dokma, sudo |
| 22:46.18 | lex | catsup, ah |
| 22:46.21 | yareckon | I've wanted to give folks sftp, but not shell, but assumed that was same thing |
| 22:46.27 | lex | catsup, mhm... which one is it? |
| 22:46.29 | lex | :) |
| 22:46.32 | catsup | it's in debian |
| 22:46.34 | catsup | can't recall the package name |
| 22:46.41 | lex | catsup, thanks, will search now |
| 22:46.42 | yareckon | does it parse clients or soemthing? I thought they were the same protocol |
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| 22:47.00 | dokma | lex: well actually sudo goes the other way around. I want to exclude a small amount of roots almightiness |
| 22:47.03 | catsup | oh, it's 'scponly' |
| 22:47.26 | catsup | dokma: what do you want to exclude |
| 22:47.43 | dokma | the ability to mess with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:47.56 | catsup | dokma: well, that's not a reasonable aim |
| 22:48.21 | dokma | catsup: hows that? |
| 22:48.21 | catsup | why do you want to do that |
| 22:48.26 | yareckon | I think you might need to get into selinux of something |
| 22:48.32 | catsup | i think it would be taxing to explain |
| 22:48.33 | dokma | to prevent guys watching porn at work |
| 22:48.35 | AimHere | You could always set /etc/network to be the mountpoint for your CDROM drive, then glue it shut and automount it ;) |
| 22:48.39 | \amethyst | dokma: then (short of selinux) you have to prevent any process that can modify files |
| 22:48.43 | yareckon | wha? |
| 22:48.55 | catsup | /etc/network/interfaces is jsut a file that is read by 'ifup' |
| 22:49.10 | dokma | catsup: well I've setup opendns in there |
| 22:49.14 | catsup | it is certainly not necessary to modify that file in order to change network settings |
| 22:49.28 | dokma | and used it to block anything unworthy |
| 22:49.28 | yareckon | you give them root access, then want to filter their internet, that is hilarious |
| 22:49.29 | catsup | do you really want to block porn? |
| 22:49.29 | AimHere | Why not have some sort of netnanny software on a computer being used as a gateway to the greater internet? |
| 22:49.36 | catsup | then you should be using a firewall |
| 22:49.39 | dokma | yareckon: yeah I know |
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| 22:49.45 | purplepenguins | netnanny software is annoying |
| 22:49.51 | dokma | I don't see any inteligent solution |
| 22:49.56 | catsup | dokma: the root user can just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:50.00 | \amethyst | dokma: why do they need root? |
| 22:50.08 | AimHere | I'm sure it is, but trying to unroot root is eeevil and wrong and broken |
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| 22:50.15 | dokma | to maintain the machines |
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| 22:50.20 | lex | dokma, there is NO solution to the porn problem. None at all. Not unless you want to disallow everything by default. |
| 22:50.23 | catsup | even a non-root user can set up alternative forms of DNS resolution |
| 22:50.26 | dokma | AimHere: I agree |
| 22:50.39 | dokma | lex: yeah it sounds so to me aswell |
| 22:50.39 | lex | dokma, not even with commercial packages that claim to do it. |
| 22:50.40 | \amethyst | dokma: 'maintaining the machines' includes fixing broken network configurations |
| 22:50.44 | catsup | there is no need even to be root, in order to make a DNS request |
| 22:50.57 | catsup | you can block porn |
| 22:51.02 | catsup | you just have to put in the necessary effort |
| 22:51.04 | dokma | \amethyst: I know... that's exactly where the catch is |
| 22:51.06 | lex | What Im wondering, is why would you give your webmasters, hordemasters, any kind of root access? |
| 22:51.08 | catsup | set up a squid proxy |
| 22:51.10 | lex | That aint the way to go |
| 22:51.13 | catsup | transparent proxy |
| 22:51.17 | AimHere | Can't you just log the internet, and say to the admins 'Watching p0rn is bad m'kay' and threaten to fire anyone fapping at their keyboard? |
| 22:51.23 | catsup | then every night, go through the logs of everything everyone viewed during the day |
| 22:51.27 | catsup | and block all the porn sites |
| 22:51.35 | catsup | pretty soon they will run out of porn sites that work |
| 22:51.36 | \amethyst | dokma: so use a firewall that isn't running on those machines... it's really your only option |
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| 22:51.40 | lex | catsup, sure, but what I mean is that it really cannot block everyone. There is allways the very saavy user that will images.google.com |
| 22:51.52 | catsup | of course you would have to block images.google.com |
| 22:51.52 | dokma | catsup: that sounds workable |
| 22:51.53 | AimHere | Block google! |
| 22:51.54 | \amethyst | dokma: and ensure through your network layout that they have to go through the firewall to get to the outside world |
| 22:52.13 | catsup | or at least force safe search to be on |
| 22:52.16 | yareckon | just run a random jpg scraper on all traffic through your gateway...forwarded to HR |
| 22:52.31 | catsup | of course |
| 22:52.45 | dokma | the single gateway... yes |
| 22:52.49 | lex | dokma, the way we do it here is with a squid proxy, but the thing is not in the software, its in the policy: how facist do you want to be? |
| 22:52.51 | dokma | why did I not think of that? |
| 22:53.01 | catsup | the truly savvy porn viewers will just set up an encrypted tunnel to a remote proxy under their own control |
| 22:53.07 | yareckon | indeed |
| 22:53.08 | catsup | or bring in porn dvds |
| 22:53.16 | catsup | or magazines |
| 22:53.21 | yareckon | or pornstars |
| 22:53.25 | lex | catsup, those deserve their pr0n |
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| 22:53.30 | catsup | or they'll just imagine their favoriate sexual experiences |
| 22:53.31 | dokma | catsup: well that is a bad reason for not doing a thing about it |
| 22:53.31 | catsup | if they have any |
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| 22:53.53 | dokma | catsup: which they usually don't |
| 22:53.57 | catsup | :\ |
| 22:53.58 | catsup | indeed |
| 22:54.06 | AimHere | What sort of workplace is it where you have this porn epidemic? |
| 22:54.09 | yareckon | dokma, your solution is to get someone in trouble, not to try to change the way unix works |
| 22:54.26 | dokma | yareckon: yes I see that now |
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| 22:54.34 | dokma | AimHere: an ordinary one |
| 22:54.48 | lex | dokma, okay, there is a thing called squidguard that gives the same illusion you are looking for. It works just as well as that web* thingie they sell for a bunch and is just as useless in the long run. but it will give you waht you want especially if youll fork out 70 bucks a year for up to date comercial blocklists. |
| 22:55.31 | AimHere | Not by my standards |
| 22:55.31 | lex | dokma, and yes, if youre talking proxies, that goes in ANOTHER box. Actually, you shouldnt be putting ANY service in your firewall. |
| 22:55.31 | AimHere | Are people actually downloading this stuff incessantly, or are you just paranoid? |
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| 22:55.35 | Penta | :D |
| 22:55.43 | jaggz- | how do I know what debian version this install cd is? |
| 22:55.54 | lex | AimHere, well.... there are things like xtube.com (not that Ive ever been there!!!) |
| 22:55.56 | dokma | AimHere: it is implementing company policy regardless of the actual situation in the offices |
| 22:56.15 | jaggz- | it's booted up and at a stage where it sys some of my hardware needs non-free firmware files (it's a dell system.. I think the network adaptor isn't found.. so it needs bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw) |
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| 22:56.28 | lex | dokma, which sounds right: use squid and squidguard with commercial, cheap blacklists. |
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| 22:56.44 | yareckon | jaggz -- etch had that and lenny doesn't I think |
| 22:57.04 | AimHere | Yeah, I figured it was policy, I was just imagining that the workers must have been downloading this stuff incessantly for you to need to break unix to make it stop |
| 22:57.18 | yareckon | I remember having to sneakernet that to my server when upgrading\ |
| 22:57.29 | AimHere | Rather than just logging and saying '3 nipples and you're out' or whatever |
| 22:57.36 | lex | in any case, it goes in the last step towards the internet, NOT in your working server and NOT in your webmail server |
| 22:58.10 | lex | AimHere, ive always liked that policy. It only takes one to go out the door and your problem is solved forever. |
| 22:58.14 | dokma | well you guys gave me plenty to think about |
| 22:58.34 | dokma | perhaps a couple of layouts would work better and cost less? |
| 22:58.38 | dokma | of layoffs |
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| 22:58.45 | lex | dokma, just remember NOT to put your corporate firewall in the same box as your webmail. THat would be very very very bad. |
| 22:59.00 | AimHere | Now all we've got to do is find out where dokma's cow orkers live, and see if we can misdirect them all to lemonparty in work time |
| 22:59.02 | yareckon | dokma, do a proxy if this is really really important... otherwise... it's a question of behavior |
| 22:59.07 | lex | dokma, course it would in the long run. The thing is to ask if your PHB would go with you and stand behind you. |
| 22:59.10 | jaggz- | alias ..='cd ..'; alias ...='cd ../..' |
| 22:59.21 | dokma | guys thanks! |
| 22:59.24 | dokma | gotta go to bed |
| 22:59.24 | catsup | it's not important |
| 22:59.26 | yareckon | good luck |
| 22:59.29 | lex | rest |
| 22:59.35 | dokma | good night |
| 22:59.57 | catsup | really you shouldn't be spying on people's internet anyway |
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| 23:00.11 | lex | I agree, but I get paid to enable others to do that. |
| 23:00.13 | lex | So there |
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| 23:00.36 | catsup | like how |
| 23:01.06 | lex | Like: "lex, i need to know who is gobbling up my bandwidth and if they are doing it for non-job related activities" |
| 23:01.08 | lex | Sure boss |
| 23:01.10 | lex | ... |
| 23:01.20 | catsup | http://www.bigbrothersoftware.com/ |
| 23:01.21 | lex | And squid+sarge they get. |
| 23:01.36 | lex | I know. Its not like I like it, but it IS their net, their buck. |
| 23:02.27 | lex | Much more expensive than squid.... |
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| 23:02.28 | lex | :) |
| 23:02.33 | catsup | there are products out there for monitoring a lot more than that, like email, chat |
| 23:02.43 | catsup | code that injects into firefox in order to spy on https |
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| 23:02.52 | lex | Yeah... i see what you mean... yes, that should be illegal. |
| 23:03.00 | lex | Horrible |
| 23:03.09 | lex | Keyloggers, thats for sick people. |
| 23:03.13 | catsup | generates reports |
| 23:03.15 | AimHere | Injects into firefox? You mean into the https packets? |
| 23:03.16 | catsup | no not keyloggers |
| 23:03.26 | catsup | AimHere: no i mean you inject code into the firefox process |
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| 23:03.28 | lex | AimHere, yeah, mitm's it |
| 23:03.37 | catsup | there's a GPL program that does that for skype |
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| 23:04.08 | AimHere | Skype users are asking for trouble though |
| 23:04.10 | catsup | AimHere: conceptually similar to LD_PRELOAD except i am not talking about linux |
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| 23:04.32 | catsup | http://reverse.put.as/2008/07/03/mac-os-x-code-injection/ |
| 23:04.59 | AimHere | catsup, that would require your actual OS to be compromised, not as scary as some host on the net playing with your packets |
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| 23:05.07 | lex | That can allways be done. In linux though, you can use dpkg or rpm to verify the sanity of the damned thing. |
| 23:05.24 | yareckon | AimHere, at work, your OS is compromised |
| 23:05.27 | lex | It takes daddy to install it when youre at soccer practice. |
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| 23:06.10 | AimHere | yareckon, true. But I'm not typing my credit card numbers into the computers at work |
| 23:06.16 | catsup | lex: dpkg isn't going to detect a decent rootkit |
| 23:06.17 | catsup | lex: and |
| 23:06.22 | lex | In linux, you got sigs. And in linux, dady cant find a way through installing a keylogger... unless... IM your daddy. |
| 23:06.29 | catsup | lex: injection doesn't modify binaries, it modifies the running process |
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| 23:06.57 | lex | catsup, well, not dpkg, sure, but there are a bunch of tripwire-like thingies that would if you care enough to send your checks into some kind of ROM |
| 23:07.02 | catsup | anyway many people don't have root on their own machines |
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| 23:08.08 | click170_ | Im curious, are there 'tripwire-like thingies' that watch the running process for code injection like that? |
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| 23:08.15 | lex | not that i know of |
| 23:08.30 | catsup | look up 'hacker's shell' |
| 23:08.34 | catsup | "hash" |
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| 23:08.52 | lex | but you cant put something in a filesystem that either: a) does not modify it for it to work or b)doesnt change some important binary that your get from checking the md5's |
| 23:09.00 | catsup | http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Hash_(tool) |
| 23:09.24 | catsup | lex: you can change the kernel to not detect the change, for one thing |
| 23:09.53 | catsup | lex: for another thing, there are rather simple methods to escape naive sorts of md5 checking |
| 23:09.54 | lex | catsup, ah... yes, you can, but it all goes into how much paranoia can you muster: you should check from a bootdisk |
| 23:10.07 | catsup | it's not paranoia |
| 23:10.13 | lex | catsup, it is in my case. |
| 23:10.17 | catsup | a rootkit changing the kernel is an ordinary technique |
| 23:10.22 | lex | its not if.... they really are out to get you |
| 23:10.32 | catsup | it's not whether they are 'really out to get you' or not |
| 23:10.40 | catsup | it's whether they're using more advanced tools than you |
| 23:10.48 | purplepenguins | you still have to get the rootkit on your computer though |
| 23:10.54 | lex | catsup, yeah, but i mean if you are paranoid enough to check your box from a bootdisk with all your sigs from last check in a ROM |
| 23:10.55 | Rezagrats | What does debian use to create empty files ? |
| 23:10.59 | AimHere | touch |
| 23:11.01 | Rezagrats | (what command) |
| 23:11.04 | Rezagrats | Touch ? |
| 23:11.07 | AimHere | yes |
| 23:11.08 | lex | yes |
| 23:11.09 | lex | touch |
| 23:11.09 | catsup | no, 'touch' |
| 23:11.13 | catsup | not Touch |
| 23:11.16 | lex | true |
| 23:11.30 | AimHere | if there's a file already there, touch will change the date on it, otherwise it creates one. |
| 23:11.52 | Rezagrats | That's a client feature. Does the first letter in my post capitalized. |
| 23:11.55 | lex | or it can change the times on the file (with a weird ugly format btw) |
| 23:12.03 | lex | tis a bug |
| 23:12.04 | lex | :P |
| 23:12.08 | Rezagrats | Nah. |
| 23:12.10 | Rezagrats | Feature. |
| 23:12.12 | purplepenguins | yeah, that's a bug |
| 23:12.13 | lex | ok |
| 23:12.19 | AimHere | I'd say bug. |
| 23:12.29 | purplepenguins | it might be useful if the only thing you are doing is conversing in proper English |
| 23:12.30 | AimHere | My xchat defaults to changing 'teh' to 'the' |
| 23:12.32 | Rezagrats | Fine, it's a bug i made. |
| 23:12.50 | jaysn_ | heh |
| 23:12.51 | AimHere | I have to switch it off every time I install it. |
| 23:12.54 | purplepenguins | but UNIX chokes on your case |
| 23:13.05 | Rezagrats | In the command line, yeah... |
| 23:13.13 | Rezagrats | But this is IRC. >_>; |
| 23:13.30 | Rezagrats | Terminal* |
| 23:13.32 | lex | IRC is not case sensitive, WE ARE |
| 23:13.52 | AimHere | Instead of pissing off the IRC server, you've offended the #debian room! |
| 23:13.56 | lex | (rofl, been wanted to say that for a long time) |
| 23:14.01 | Rezagrats | I'm still debating if i should make something to change "i" to "I" |
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| 23:14.12 | lex | wanting i mean... err... need spellcheck on the xchat |
| 23:14.15 | catsup | just give in |
| 23:14.18 | catsup | and start typign in lowercase |
| 23:14.20 | catsup | like everyone else |
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| 23:14.22 | jaysn_ | auto capitalization breaks python syntax |
| 23:14.32 | catsup | let loose |
| 23:14.35 | AimHere | Learn to use the shift key. |
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| 23:14.43 | Rezagrats | Shift keys are evil! |
| 23:14.45 | catsup | the shift key only slows you down |
| 23:14.47 | AimHere | It's under your left ring finger all the time. |
| 23:14.52 | Rezagrats | Not really. |
| 23:14.56 | AimHere | It takes no time at all to capitalise stuff. |
| 23:14.57 | lex | Rezagrats, they are, but a necesary evil nonetheless |
| 23:14.58 | Rezagrats | I type freestyle. |
| 23:15.08 | joeyjone- | is there a way to get a pakcage to be upgraded even though apt wants to keep it back? |
| 23:15.14 | catsup | it involves more finger movement than necessary |
| 23:15.15 | Rezagrats | I don't do that home row thing. |
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| 23:15.44 | catsup | awefjio; is my home row |
| 23:15.45 | AimHere | I don't even quite know what the home row thing is. |
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| 23:15.59 | lex | me neither |
| 23:16.08 | Rezagrats | So anyways... how do i open a folder from the root terminal... nautilus ? |
| 23:16.15 | catsup | home row means asdf jkl; |
| 23:16.34 | Rezagrats | You missed "h", catsup. |
| 23:16.37 | AimHere | You missed the gh |
| 23:16.41 | catsup | what |
| 23:16.45 | Rezagrats | And "g" |
| 23:16.46 | lex | Rezagrats, you need to rephrase: what do you mean by root terminal? |
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| 23:17.10 | catsup | well yeah the whole row includes gh |
| 23:17.15 | Rezagrats | Lex, root terminal. as in the root terminal from app > accessories > root terminal |
| 23:17.19 | catsup | and also ' |
| 23:17.33 | AimHere | Right, so you've a root xterm. What do you mean by 'open a folder'? |
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| 23:17.51 | lex | Rezagrats, we have a BUNCH of menus in debian, many many choices. |
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| 23:18.03 | Rezagrats | Uhh... open a folder. like opening /etc/www as root. |
| 23:18.09 | catsup | ranix: try typing 'nautilus' |
| 23:18.12 | catsup | oops |
| 23:18.15 | Rezagrats | Tabfail |
| 23:18.16 | catsup | Rezagrats: try typing 'nautilus' |
| 23:18.35 | catsup | i typed 'ran[tab]' because i misread your name |
| 23:18.39 | lex | yeah... you can do that. But it doesnt feel all that good to see you with that nautilus as root. |
| 23:18.51 | lex | Better than loging in as root though |
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| 23:18.55 | catsup | or typed 'ra[tab]' |
| 23:19.15 | lex | I use "ls" |
| 23:19.19 | lex | Never failed me |
| 23:19.27 | AimHere | 'ls' and 'cd' are better if you're root |
| 23:19.53 | catsup | but ls doesn't support thumbnails :p |
| 23:20.13 | lex | catsup, Im pretty sure there is a term somewhere that does! Or there should be! |
| 23:20.16 | AimHere | Using a GUI file manager as root means you're just one click away from slipping /bin into /home or something else that's equally hard to get out of |
| 23:20.41 | catsup | lex: and if there is, i bet people suggest not using it as root :p |
| 23:20.48 | lex | catsup, I sure would! |
| 23:21.07 | catsup | AimHere: haha but so does using the command line as root |
| 23:21.16 | lex | catsup, but there is the old midnight commander and even w3m... in any case, why do you want to look at thumnails as root? |
| 23:21.29 | AimHere | True, catsup. I somehow trust my ability to Not Break Everything more with the keyboard than with the mouse |
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| 23:21.49 | lex | I once went and did, as root: rm / home/lex |
| 23:21.54 | lex | It wasnt pretty |
| 23:22.00 | yareckon | night kids |
| 23:22.01 | AimHere | I've not actually rm -rf *'ed any directories that mattered as root, yet |
| 23:22.06 | yareckon | try to hold down the fort |
| 23:22.18 | lex | And another time, i did chown -R lex / home/lex/pr0n |
| 23:22.31 | lex | which is even worse |
| 23:22.34 | catsup | um |
| 23:22.37 | catsup | why |
| 23:22.44 | catsup | don't you use tab completion anyway |
| 23:22.47 | AimHere | Didn't you own all your porn? |
| 23:23.09 | catsup | /ho[tab] |
| 23:23.09 | lex | catsup, well, this is for didactic purposes: s/lex/the dumb dba they made me give root access to/g |
| 23:23.14 | AimHere | Maybe he typed / ho[tab] in the root dir |
| 23:23.38 | lex | I use tab completion, he didnt |
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| 23:24.02 | lex | AimHere, do we, ever, really own our porn? |
| 23:24.11 | AimHere | Yeah right, lex. Why was he messing around in /home/lex/pr0n? |
| 23:24.25 | lex | AimHere, he wasnt, its just that it wouldve been a really long regex |
| 23:24.26 | lex | :) |
| 23:24.43 | AimHere | Owning your own p0rn is freedom. Owning someone else's pr0n is exploitation! |
| 23:24.47 | lex | He borked on / opt/domethingorotherhavingtodowithdatabases |
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| 23:25.28 | lex | HA! ... man, I love it here. I should come in more often. |
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| 23:26.28 | Tired | GPLd porn... you start to wonder about rule 34 |
| 23:26.41 | Sertse | hi |
| 23:26.45 | lex | Whats rule 34? |
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| 23:26.55 | lex | (I declare im walking into it willingly) |
| 23:27.02 | Tired | "Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions" |
| 23:27.12 | lex | Good rule. |
| 23:27.15 | lex | Hard to disprove |
| 23:27.34 | Tired | I think someone with some problems with logic wrote this version of it |
| 23:27.44 | Tired | "Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject. " |
| 23:27.51 | Tired | should have copy-pasted this one |
| 23:27.57 | lex | But then again, I see this new youtube like "services", and I cant stop myself from feeling proud of the true freedom of the net. |
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| 23:28.33 | lex | Not that ive "seen".... damn |
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| 23:29.14 | Tired | this might actually the exception |
| 23:29.53 | Tired | or my google-foo sucks |
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| 23:30.30 | lex | On my count, Marcusse had it right and the new "youtube" like services will change civilization as we know it by freeing the coming (no pun intended) generations of the sexual repressions our elder were subjected to. |
| 23:30.59 | Sertse | and we can all run freeeee? |
| 23:31.19 | lex | No, they can run free. You and I will be forever doomed to our own mental shackles. |
| 23:31.40 | catsup | there's also rule 35: if porn of it can't be found, it will be made |
| 23:32.17 | Tired | seems nobody bothered to license his porn with a GPL compatible license yet.... although.. that would be more like a Attribution-ShareAlike license |
| 23:32.58 | lex | Where can I find this wonderful rulebook? |
| 23:33.00 | catsup | all porn falls under the 'nobody cares about your so-called copyright' license |
| 23:33.12 | Tired | perhaps this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Porn_Protest,_Indiana.jpg |
| 23:33.21 | lex | Yes, the nocayosocaco license. Very convenient. |
| 23:33.27 | catsup | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/30/1194679739296.jpg |
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| 23:34.14 | Tired | perhaps we should wander off to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:34.33 | lex | Tired, really, who goes in there this days? |
| 23:34.43 | Tired | lifts hand |
| 23:34.54 | catsup | see rule #25 |
| 23:35.21 | Sertse | Yea, all the club kids for in the forked offtopic chan, which itself has also been forked... |
| 23:35.47 | Tired | several times? |
| 23:36.36 | lex | It says it should be kept "family friendly", but im not sure if who wrote that was really thinking about mine. |
| 23:37.12 | catsup | 'family friendly' is ridiculous |
| 23:37.14 | Rezagrats | How do i get debian to group windows ? |
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| 23:38.34 | Sertse | Ok, a real debian question. How do I go about from me being (l)user to being someone who has stuff in the debian repo. |
| 23:38.47 | AimHere | Rezagrats, depends on your window manager, most likely. There are dozens of them. |
| 23:38.53 | Rezagrats | GNOME. |
| 23:38.54 | catsup | Rezagrats: there are many window managers available with various features that can be enabled in variuos ways |
| 23:39.31 | lex | Rezagrats, has two possible window managers, metacity and sawfish. i dont know the answer for either.... but you should poke around in the configurations menu for gnome. |
| 23:39.57 | lex | Sertse, Do you have children? .... |
| 23:40.06 | Rezagrats | I probably have metacity, i've never heard of that other one. |
| 23:40.16 | lex | Sertse, no, really, there is a debian-devel how to for that and a debian-devel channel to talk for real serious stuff. |
| 23:40.20 | catsup | Sertse: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html |
| 23:40.27 | lex | that... yeah |
| 23:40.49 | Sertse | dependencies - girl not satisfied ;) |
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| 23:41.17 | lex | Sertse, there is the mentor process and all that. Look at the FAQ. And good luck. It aint easy at all to be a debian mantainer. |
| 23:41.21 | objorn | $ mail |
| 23:41.23 | objorn | bash: mail: command not found |
| 23:41.30 | lex | gasp |
| 23:41.31 | objorn | where is that program? |
| 23:42.16 | lex | whereis mail , but you dont seem to have it in your path, which is weird, cause afaik, the mail command should ALLWAYS be somewhere. |
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| 23:42.54 | catsup | you don't need to ahve mail |
| 23:43.12 | lex | catsup, I thought it was POSIX or LSB required? |
| 23:43.25 | catsup | objorn: apt-get install mailutils |
| 23:43.37 | catsup | lex: it's certainly not required by posix |
| 23:43.46 | lex | Ah well... my bad then. |
| 23:44.16 | AimHere | Hmmm. I have a command line mail, but I don't have mailutils |
| 23:44.45 | catsup | there are several programs that provide a 'mail' implementation |
| 23:44.48 | catsup | erm, packages |
| 23:44.49 | lex | Youve sendmail or postfix, you have mail |
| 23:44.54 | objorn | catsup: hehe, okay thanks |
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| 23:45.14 | AimHere | Ah, I have bsd-mailx |
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| 23:46.28 | iateadonut | i guess no one told those guys in the picture that since porn was legalized, there has been a steady decrease of rape, year by year. |
| 23:47.05 | lex | Yes.... thanks to the FSM, rapers are going the way of the pirates. |
| 23:47.17 | lex | rapists would be correct, i guess. |
| 23:47.41 | catsup | iateadonut: does that mean that rape prevents pornography? |
| 23:48.16 | iateadonut | yes |
| 23:48.23 | iateadonut | thank God for my degree in sociology. |
| 23:48.27 | iateadonut | don't know where i'd be without it. |
| 23:48.36 | lex | Actually, what HAS been proven, is that urban violence in the US decreased year by year because of legal abortion. Perhaps there is the link,... |
| 23:48.47 | catsup | pft |
| 23:48.50 | iateadonut | that wasn't proven. |
| 23:48.54 | lex | Ok ok |
| 23:48.54 | iateadonut | that was just in freakonomics. |
| 23:48.56 | lex | Not ALL of it |
| 23:49.02 | iateadonut | right. |
| 23:49.05 | lex | But they made a very good case |
| 23:49.07 | iateadonut | the BECAUSE of part |
| 23:49.11 | catsup | there's no determining the incidence of 'violence ' |
| 23:49.18 | catsup | you are talking about the number of police reports |
| 23:49.29 | jaysn_ | please. |
| 23:49.32 | lex | catsup, there is the number of registered violent murders. |
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| 23:49.34 | jaysn_ | please? |
| 23:49.55 | catsup | as opposed to nonviolent murders? |
| 23:49.56 | iateadonut | there is a correlation between dollars printed and children quitting cigarettes. therefore, less children smoke BECAUSE more dollars are being printed. |
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| 23:50.15 | lex | catsup, well, GUN related murders, if I remember correctly. |
| 23:50.21 | jaysn_ | there is a correlation between poignant questions and the learning curve |
| 23:50.22 | bbelt16ag | what channel do i gotta be on to get help with burning a DVD |
| 23:50.29 | catsup | anyway, the reason for reductions in violence, over history, is that the state has become more and more powerful in its powers of surveillance and retribution |
| 23:50.33 | bbelt16ag | need help ASAP sick and tired of my dvds not burning |
| 23:50.41 | iateadonut | hmmm... you really think so? |
| 23:50.43 | catsup | of course, there has been a corresponding increase in violence perpetrated by the state itself |
| 23:50.44 | lex | bbelt16ag, whats with it? |
| 23:50.52 | lex | bbelt16ag, what are you using to burnem |
| 23:50.54 | bbelt16ag | it keeps failing pastebining the dvd output |
| 23:50.58 | bbelt16ag | growiso |
| 23:51.01 | lex | catsup, that, we agree on. |
| 23:51.04 | bbelt16ag | i will show you script hang on |
| 23:51.11 | catsup | lex: which? |
| 23:51.28 | lex | catsup, increase in state violence. In the states and elsewhere in occident. |
| 23:51.45 | iateadonut | bbelt, use K3B... |
| 23:51.47 | adb | lex, !ot |
| 23:51.48 | iateadonut | hmmm... |
| 23:51.56 | lex | adb, ok ok |
| 23:52.09 | iateadonut | that goes hand in hand with the theory that crime is never eradicated, only displaced. |
| 23:52.23 | catsup | you can just look at childhood, we grew up with media that depicted children acting violently toward one another, but we grew up under totally controlled morning-to-night surveillance where ther ewas no possibility of childhood violence |
| 23:52.35 | adb | !ot |
| 23:52.35 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:52.37 | catsup | childhood violence has been abolished in the last 50 years |
| 23:52.55 | iateadonut | stop cocaine growing in columbia, it increases in peru. stop citizen violence, increase state violence. |
| 23:52.57 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 23:53.00 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1600008 |
| 23:53.00 | iateadonut | sorry, dpkg. |
| 23:53.15 | bbelt16ag | i hate k3b |
| 23:53.15 | catsup | anyway you can talk in #debian-offtopic |
| 23:53.19 | bbelt16ag | i use to us it |
| 23:53.26 | catsup | if you want to respond to that |
| 23:53.29 | bbelt16ag | but i dont use kde anymore so it wont work on gnome etc etc. |
| 23:53.33 | bbelt16ag | anywas i use growiso |
| 23:53.36 | bbelt16ag | and my script |
| 23:53.49 | lex | I have no idea why you went this way bbelt16ag |
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| 23:53.52 | bbelt16ag | it happens on brasero as well |
| 23:53.55 | lex | k3b and be off with it |
| 23:54.15 | bbelt16ag | its not a application issue its something else i think |
| 23:54.31 | lex | it may, but if thats the case, then the answer is in or near the hardware |
| 23:54.49 | pobega | bbelt16ag: wodim/cdrecord? Have you tried it? |
| 23:54.53 | lex | You need to research if your burner is well tested for linux and has a decent driver. |
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| 23:56.43 | bbelt16ag | lex it has worked fine to two years. |
| 23:56.50 | bbelt16ag | now all of sudden periodically not working. |
| 23:56.54 | bbelt16ag | here is my dmesg |
| 23:57.11 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1600017 |
| 23:57.22 | bbelt16ag | afk food |
| 23:58.17 | lex | Cut you a deal bbelt16ag: you either a) Borrow another, see if your script works with that one or b) Attempt the same in another two Apps from debian or c) Attempt the same in another box, such as a mac or a winblows. |
| 23:58.23 | lex | Chances are, it wont work with any of those. |
| 23:58.35 | lex | If it was working and now isnt, its sounds like hardware to me. |
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| 23:59.46 | bbelt16ag | yeah or the underlying software that got changed. had that happen awhile ago they changed hal and it borked some capabilities that worked earlier for diff hardware |
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