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| 00:00.47 | bbelt16ag | already tried doing it in diff software baero the gnome == to k3b |
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| 00:02.10 | metalfan | hi |
| 00:03.32 | lex | bbelt16ag, My guess is that hardware is borken or driver is borken. So check to see if your lilo has older kernel opts, or if youve updated kernel recently, go back to one you know it worked in and test. |
| 00:03.35 | lex | If its still broken, its your hardware |
| 00:04.18 | jaggz- | how can I ping from the debian install cd? |
| 00:04.46 | lex | Find a console from it by using ctrl-alt-f* and just ping |
| 00:04.47 | jaggz- | I'm trying to debug the network connection.. since it's connected with a cable to my laptop, which is connected with wireless to our home net |
| 00:04.52 | jaggz- | no ping command, lex |
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| 00:05.08 | jaggz- | no ifconfig either |
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| 00:05.30 | jaggz- | nor traceroute.. there's a route though |
| 00:05.38 | lex | Oy |
| 00:05.40 | _Techie_ | is there a way to connect to a WPA secured wireless network via the network manager? |
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| 00:06.18 | jaggz- | Techie, hmm.. how did I do it.. I think I just edited the interface file by hand |
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| 00:06.52 | jaggz- | !wpa |
| 00:06.52 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 00:07.19 | jaggz- | I was manually using wpasupplicant, then found out you could just use these and the system runs wpasupplicant for ya |
| 00:07.27 | _Techie_ | jaggz-- already tried that, i couldnt get it to work, i would much prefer the option of choosing it when i connect |
| 00:07.42 | jaggz- | I see.. sorry :) |
| 00:07.58 | jaggz- | if you find it, let me know.. I'm manually copying the file in case I roam |
| 00:08.22 | _Techie_ | i saw it somewhere for ubuntu but im not entirely sure it would work |
| 00:09.00 | _Techie_ | ill grab you the link |
| 00:10.23 | _Techie_ | http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 00:10.27 | jaysn_ | jaggz-: about pinging from the commandline, is there a file that represents your nic anywhere? |
| 00:11.02 | jaggz- | ok, so you're setting up a new system but you only have wireless and that system is a server without wireless.. so you hook your system up to your laptop with a wire and need your laptop to handle this as a hub/router/switch |
| 00:11.24 | jaggz- | but really you want that computer's IP address on the same net .. bleh |
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| 00:12.05 | jaggz- | jaysn, I don't recall using network devices as files (unix principles aside), it's just eth0 or eth1 |
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| 00:12.25 | jaysn_ | jaggz-: i thought everything in linux was a file? |
| 00:12.33 | jaysn_ | or file like object |
| 00:12.50 | jaggz- | no it's not, but in general that's a unix principle |
| 00:12.58 | jaggz- | so it's almost entirely "that way" |
| 00:13.05 | jaysn_ | jaggz-: what isn't included? |
| 00:13.06 | jaggz- | probably the nics are some device somewhere too.. |
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| 00:13.09 | _Techie_ | jaysn_- network interfaces are given names such as eth0 but they can be told what to do via a file |
| 00:13.18 | jaysn_ | _Techie_: thank you |
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| 00:14.02 | jaggz- | something has to be handled by some software to "make it" into the file |
| 00:14.16 | jaysn_ | cat foo | /dev/bar |
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| 00:14.50 | docgnome | if i was running testing would i be able to selectivly install packages from sid? |
| 00:14.51 | jaggz- | so if you plug some card in there, maybe it's accessible via low level system DMA access, but without a driver it might not be accessible via a file.. |
| 00:15.11 | jaggz- | so the driver establishes the interface so the rest of the system can access it as if it were a file |
| 00:15.26 | jaysn_ | jaggz-: if there's no driver, pinging would be useless, wouldn't it? |
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| 00:15.40 | jaggz- | different topic. I was answering your Q |
| 00:15.49 | jaggz- | back to the network thing though, yes.. hmm |
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| 00:16.03 | jaggz- | I enabled forwarding in my laptop |
| 00:16.31 | jaggz- | echo "1" >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # (why are they quoting the 1? :) |
| 00:16.39 | jaysn_ | jaggz-: thank you for answering my questions |
| 00:17.16 | jaggz- | and maybe that software is designed to NOT create the file.. maybe it works with some other system/library calls directly to the software which handles the hardware access.. |
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| 00:18.03 | jaggz- | so, the unix principle is to have the file interface.. but whatever. |
| 00:18.58 | Tramp | jaggz-: to make it idiot-proof. Somebody might do 1>, leaving out the blank |
| 00:19.08 | jaggz- | let's say you have some new video interface.. not agp or pci or whatever.. and the system doesn't know what to do with it.. it can't put it as some generic usb thing, can't put it as pci, etc. |
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| 00:19.23 | jaggz- | eventually someone would make that new interface.. |
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| 00:20.49 | jaggz- | Tramp, heh |
| 00:21.07 | jaggz- | thank you for having that understanding |
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| 00:23.00 | Tramp | oh, it wasn't a real question - you're just writing random stuff to the channel. Sorry then. |
| 00:25.23 | Sergio` | The bootloader menu is different from the one in /boot/grub/menu.lst, is there another file? |
| 00:26.11 | yuri_ | nope |
| 00:26.20 | Sergio` | How can that be then? |
| 00:26.24 | yuri_ | grub.conf which should by symlinked |
| 00:26.27 | yuri_ | check that |
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| 00:26.38 | Sergio` | I don't have grub.conf |
| 00:26.41 | valdyn | Sergio`: youre using grub2 ? |
| 00:26.51 | valdyn | Sergio`: then its not different to *some* menu.lst |
| 00:26.58 | Sergio` | valdyn: I don't know, I'll check. |
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| 00:27.08 | jaggz- | forget it. I have 50' ethernet cable and just ran it from that room down two halls and into this one |
| 00:27.14 | valdyn | Sergio`: youre not using grub2 if you dont have grub.conf |
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| 00:27.20 | jaggz- | I should know what I'm doing but whatever. |
| 00:28.03 | Sergio` | valdyn: you're right. |
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| 00:28.25 | Sergio` | And I'm pretty sure it's different. |
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| 00:28.37 | valdyn | Sergio`: menu.lst is read at boot time |
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| 00:29.07 | valdyn | Sergio`: theres no way it can differ from the menu.lst read, but maybe you have several linux distros installed |
| 00:29.34 | Sergio` | I once messed with it to set the vga=... and in boot time it's still there, in menu.lst in not anymore. I needed to change the vga=... without editing it at boot time. |
| 00:29.34 | Tramp | valdyn: well, for me it's grub.cfg |
| 00:29.53 | Sergio` | Only Debian here. |
| 00:29.54 | valdyn | uh, may bad |
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| 00:30.01 | valdyn | Tramp: yea |
| 00:30.09 | Sergio` | *is not anymore |
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| 00:32.00 | Sergio` | valdyn: what do you think? I didn't want to edit boot lines everytime I boot. |
| 00:32.33 | valdyn | Sergio`: i dont know your problem, your boot menu cannot differ from menu.lst, period |
| 00:32.50 | Sergio` | Man, but that is my case, I swear. |
| 00:33.08 | valdyn | Sergio`: not its not |
| 00:33.09 | Sergio` | I'll pastebin menu.lst |
| 00:33.12 | Tramp | ... unless he's using grub2 - is this sorted out yet? |
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| 00:33.25 | valdyn | Sergio`: are you certain theres no grub.cfg ? |
| 00:33.31 | valdyn | Tramp: i dont know |
| 00:33.43 | Tramp | he checked "conf" not cfg previously, I think. |
| 00:33.50 | valdyn | Tramp: right |
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| 00:36.35 | Sergio` | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/f7b65914c do you see any vga=... there? I have vga=... in the bootloader at boot time. |
| 00:36.53 | smacnay | strange, an iso9660 will not automount in Gnome right now but will mount by command-line. |
| 00:37.30 | Sergio` | valdyn: and no grub.conf or grub.cfg |
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| 00:37.43 | valdyn | Sergio`: i dont believe you |
| 00:37.50 | Sergio` | Man... |
| 00:38.26 | valdyn | Sergio`: reboot, look, vga= cant be there |
| 00:38.31 | Sergio` | All right, so you don't know too. |
| 00:38.44 | valdyn | Sergio`: I do know |
| 00:38.50 | RedLance | Ok, I'm setting up a file/media server. I want to use Samba for file serving, and Mediatomb and JReceiver for media serving. Can I get Debian as the OS and the rest onto a 4 gig compact flash card? Also, what's the recommended amout of RAM for a file server? |
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| 00:39.11 | Sergio` | valdyn: I'll do that. I know it's there but I'll do it for you. 5 minutes... |
| 00:40.03 | Tramp | hd2,0 makes me wonder if that's really, what he boots |
| 00:40.09 | valdyn | RedLance: theres no "recommended amount of RAM for a file server" |
| 00:41.00 | valdyn | RedLance: you can easily get debian on a 4gig flash card |
| 00:41.16 | valdyn | RedLance: probably 1G or less for your servers |
| 00:42.05 | RedLance | valdyn: Good, I was planning to use 1gig. Thanks! |
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| 00:43.53 | meder | how do i run network-manager or whatever manually? im using xmonad and not gdm |
| 00:44.48 | jaggz- | I installed the hotkey-setup package and now my volume buttons (thinkpad) move up/down 10% .. I feel like they used to give finer volume resolution |
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| 00:58.21 | Lownin | Question: In the Windows world, when you want a unified group of users and groups and permissions, you use Active Directory. What do you use in a linux only world. And then in the case that you want to possibly expand into using it within a Windows, Linux and OS X environment, what do you use? |
| 00:59.09 | aporetic | ldap and pam, last i checked |
| 00:59.49 | dondelelcaro | ldap is what you use; windows should be able to deal with LDAP too |
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| 01:00.30 | Lownin | Okay. Thanks! |
| 01:00.48 | Lownin | Any LDAP reading I should look at in particular? Just the standard MAN pages? |
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| 01:03.24 | objorn | how do i get this working? |
| 01:03.25 | objorn | $ echo "Hello me" | mail -s "Dovecot test" $USER |
| 01:03.27 | objorn | input in flex scanner failed |
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| 01:07.04 | objorn | catsup: you know the way, please lead with your catsupy ways... |
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| 01:12.53 | duvnell | hey, where can I find a distro cd of debian 3.3.5? I looked in "old archives", but I only saw up to 3.1 there |
| 01:13.19 | stew | duvnell: 3.3.5 never existed |
| 01:13.26 | stew | duvnell: there was 3.0 and 3.1 then 4.0 |
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| 01:14.07 | duvnell | hmm.. well what I'm doing is trying to set up a similar system to the ISP I use who gives me shell access.. |
| 01:14.18 | duvnell | I thought that was the release version.. how do I get the release version on there? |
| 01:14.50 | duvnell | gcc-3.3.5 is all that's on here if that tells you anything |
| 01:15.38 | duvnell | ah |
| 01:15.40 | duvnell | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:15.40 | duvnell | 3.1 |
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| 01:16.21 | duvnell | is there an iso for 3.1 or should I do a network install? if that, then where to I get the bootstrap media to start an installation? |
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| 01:19.53 | stew | duvnell: note that 3.1 is a very old release which is no longer supproted |
| 01:20.00 | stew | duvnell: archive.debian.org might have it |
| 01:20.08 | stew | !releaes history |
| 01:20.18 | stew | !release history |
| 01:20.18 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 01:20.34 | duvnell | understood.. just trying to mirror another machines environment overwhich I don't have control.. I'm just getting symbol errors when I build on my newer system when trying to run it there.. so just setting up a dev env |
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| 01:21.27 | stew | duvnell: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/ |
| 01:22.37 | duvnell | thx.. yeah found that, but not able to find a cd iso |
| 01:23.42 | stew | no, i don't think you will |
| 01:23.48 | stew | (officially at least) |
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| 01:24.39 | stew | duvnell: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody#ISOs |
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| 01:26.47 | duvnell | should the network installation still work for 3.1 since I think I found an mini.iso (is that the network boot iso?) |
| 01:27.42 | __soya | where can i find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in lenny ? |
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| 01:27.52 | stew | there isn't a network boot iso, network boot is a kernel + initrd |
| 01:28.01 | stew | mini.iso is the "businesscard" |
| 01:28.18 | stew | you are probably thinking of "netinst" which is poorly named and has little to do with network |
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| 01:40.53 | icemonk | which channel her woudl be best to ask a dev question |
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| 01:43.03 | jaggz- | no matter the mirror I pick my install says it's either not available or does not have a valid release file on it |
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| 01:43.54 | justdoit | i am having a problem in g++ with sem_open |
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| 01:46.30 | xhairball | Hi. Does anyone have an LSB compliant /etc/init.d script for iptables? IIRC it doesn't come with one (apt-get source didn't show one either). I have a custom script which isn't LSB compatible and it's blocking the insserv upgrade. Why doesn't it come with one? Should I be doing something different? |
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| 01:47.26 | justdoit | i keep getting undefined reference to sem_open gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) |
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| 01:47.39 | justdoit | #include <fcntl.h> |
| 01:47.39 | justdoit | #include <semaphore.h> |
| 01:47.39 | justdoit | int main(){ sem_t *sem = sem_open("justwork", O_CREAT | O_EXCL, 0666, 30); } |
| 01:47.45 | justdoit | simple test case |
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| 01:50.52 | iluminator101 | Whats the maximum number of cells per sheet in excel 2007? |
| 01:51.00 | justdoit | nvm i got it |
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| 01:53.12 | jaggz- | justdoit: what was it? -lsomething? |
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| 01:55.02 | xhairball | jaggz-: it's -lrt or -pthread (from the man page) |
| 01:55.51 | justdoit | yea -lrt compile flags |
| 01:55.57 | justdoit | it was a library linking thing |
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| 01:56.28 | hesco | what package will give me the convert tool for manipulating images? |
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| 01:56.56 | markybob | hesco, imagemagick |
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| 01:57.03 | hesco | thanks |
| 01:57.29 | jaggz- | hesco, netpbm |
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| 01:57.39 | xhairball | hesco: imagemagick or graphicsmagick (fork) |
| 01:57.42 | soya | \quit |
| 01:59.19 | hesco | there is abundance |
| 01:59.38 | jaggz- | and texlive-extra-utils which has pdfcrop :) |
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| 02:00.21 | xhairball | hesco: Try this next time (after installing apt-file and updating it): apt-file search -x '/convert$' |
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| 02:06.04 | sylecn | I frequently get ipw2200: Firmware error on my laptop recently. Is there anything I can do to test whether my card is broken or just the firmware is broken? |
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| 02:22.51 | objorn | so sad, nobody responded to this guy: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg685018.html he describes precisely my problem, mailx works but i get the same error with when calling mail |
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| 02:37.55 | TheHouseParty | hey help :) im running psybnc on debian , the psybnc is on server but i dont know from which port he's connecting how to know from which port its connected? |
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| 02:43.42 | cvsup | when start /etc/init.d/ipsec |
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| 02:43.52 | cvsup | openswan add route 128.0.0.0 |
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| 03:00.58 | lex | anyone knows how can I make a linux box EXPORT an iscsi target? |
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| 03:13.34 | faffi | hey guys, very frequently im getting errors from bash saying it cant fork |
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| 03:22.35 | peterius | kdegames don't work anymore? anyone know what the secret dependency is? |
| 03:22.36 | Ghost-r | 'm trying to upgrade initscripts package but gives an error "dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture' , please use '--print-architecture' instead ? |
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| 03:28.13 | draeath | I've got an interesting problem... |
| 03:28.20 | draeath | when i first installed this system, i had a PS2 keyboard |
| 03:28.30 | draeath | now, I use USB. I have disk encryption, so i must use an initrd. |
| 03:29.00 | draeath | The problem is, the usb keyboard does not function during this period - I must find and connect a ps2 keyboard to type the passphrase. it works fine after init runs for some time. |
| 03:29.09 | draeath | grub and the bios both function with the usb keyboard. |
| 03:29.25 | draeath | I've tried reinstalling the kernel (which, i think, regenerated the initrd) |
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| 03:29.31 | draeath | any ideas how to get this to work? |
| 03:29.45 | pickcoder | draeath: compile the usb modules into the kernel? |
| 03:29.59 | draeath | should I have to? this doesn't happen if I use a USB keyboard from the very beginning |
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| 03:30.38 | pickcoder | well the first initrd was created with the current devices in mind |
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| 03:30.52 | pickcoder | if you'd plugged them both in you'd be golden |
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| 03:31.03 | draeath | but when it regenerates it via kernel updates etc, shouldnt it redetect? |
| 03:31.18 | pickcoder | not that I'm aware of |
| 03:31.19 | draeath | if it doesn't, how can I trigger a complete initrd rebuild (as if from first setup) |
| 03:31.26 | pickcoder | but you should be able to change the initrd settings |
| 03:31.47 | draeath | (i think I chose "targetted" during install, now that i think hard about it) |
| 03:31.57 | catsup | draeath: update-initramfs |
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| 03:32.11 | draeath | thanks catsup |
| 03:32.19 | pickcoder | oh yeah.. there's that |
| 03:32.21 | catsup | draeath: that's run on new kernel installs |
| 03:32.48 | draeath | then it's not doing everything...? |
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| 03:33.50 | draeath | ah i just found /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 03:33.59 | draeath | now to figure out what the actual module is |
| 03:34.05 | alex87 | hey guys, i have a virtual machine which is only showing the ip6 address for eth0, any ideas how to get ip4? |
| 03:35.32 | draeath | would I be correct in thinking that 'usbhid' was responsible for my usb keyboard? that module itself is the "end" of the module dependency chain |
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| 03:41.21 | pickcoder | draeath: yeah |
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| 03:42.45 | draeath | awesome and the new initrd is less than 100k larger. thanks guys |
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| 03:47.17 | Tapout | I'm using postgresql-8.4 from lenny backports. The weird issue is, that aptitude doesn't see the 8.4.1 upgrade, whereas another server did. They're both x86_64.. |
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| 03:48.26 | adb | judd, versions postgresql |
| 03:48.27 | judd | adb: postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22 sid: 8.3.5-1 sid: 8.3.6-1 etch-backports: 8.3.7-0lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.7-0lenny1 lenny-security: 8.3.8-0lenny1 lenny-backports: 8.4.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 8.4.1-1 squeeze: 8.4.1-1 |
| 03:49.04 | Tapout | adb, and mine is ii postgresql-8.4 8.4.0-1~bpo50+1 |
| 03:49.19 | Tapout | my 8.4.0 doesn't think there is an upgrade available, yet the sources.list are the same |
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| 03:51.08 | adb | try install --reinstall blahblah , after aptitude update |
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| 03:51.41 | Tapout | ok, will do |
| 03:52.14 | adb | and use aptitude to install |
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| 03:55.52 | helo_ | i have a well working setup on a 250GB drive, which is about 10% full, and i want to transfer it to a 160GB drive |
| 03:57.08 | helo_ | ahh, nevermind |
| 03:58.36 | helo_ | i tried recreating the md arrays, using cpio to transfer the data, updating mdadm.conf with the new raid UUIDs, update-initramfs, grub-install |
| 03:58.54 | helo_ | and for osme reason my md arrays are being started on /dev/md0 and /dev/md/0, and i just get dumped to an (initramfs) prompt |
| 03:59.40 | helo_ | i was going to resize2fs the partitions on the 250 so it would fit on the 160, but is there an equivalent operation to shrink raid arrays? |
| 03:59.52 | helo_ | if i could do that, then a simple dd would work |
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| 04:00.27 | xhairball | How do you force regenerating /etc/init.d/.depends.* files from insserv/sysv-rc? It's not picking up a script and I'm not sure how to regenerate it. Plus it still references a package that I purged (no files in /etc/init.d/ reference it). |
| 04:00.35 | click170_ | helo_: I recently went looking for the 'shrink raid array' command, and as far as I can tell there isn't one. |
| 04:01.08 | helo_ | i'm going to be up all night with this crap :/ |
| 04:01.20 | xhairball | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work. |
| 04:01.24 | helo_ | i got everything working perfectly on 250GB drives, and then we ran out |
| 04:01.37 | xhairball | err it may work, but it's not helping. :) |
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| 04:02.25 | helo_ | i still need to mirror the installs for 3 more more setups, but my usual method of creating of creating partitions, creating raid, formatting ext3, cpio'ing data, and reinstalling grub fail |
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| 04:03.43 | helo_ | ok, here's an idea... i could shrink the partitions inside the raid array, but not shrink the array |
| 04:03.56 | helo_ | bah no |
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| 04:05.43 | helo_ | ok, so if i can figure out why my raid arrays are coming up on both /dev/md/0 and /dev/md0, then i may be able to proceed |
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| 04:07.39 | BlueG | I'm wondering if I can get a clock, or other features like a way to leave messages for a user, on my gnome-screensaver unlock screen. I believe I saw something like that leaving a message for the user somewhere, perhaps on a Fedora system. |
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| 04:11.16 | Arrowmaster | that leave message thing is there by default on debian too afaik, its there on mine |
| 04:12.02 | lex | what the hell is this: ip_tables: MASQUERADE target: bad hook_mask 0x1/0x10 |
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| 04:12.13 | lex | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:12.16 | lex | Upon that |
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| 04:19.10 | BlueG | Arrowmaster: You're right... the leave a message thing is there... I don't know why I thought it wasn't, I guess I don't have so much need for it after all. |
| 04:19.17 | BlueG | But a clock would be nice. |
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| 04:22.48 | tpocra | I have a directory with a bunch of files and some have colons in the filenames... this is a problem because i am trying to copy to FAT32 |
| 04:23.07 | tpocra | How can I scan through and replace all colonss with underscores? |
| 04:23.23 | gullstein | How can I configure e-mail for system notifications? user@debain? |
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| 04:28.08 | xhairball | hmm I tried running insserv manually to see what would happen. It regenerated, but it's in a different order than when the package built it itself. I think this is related to the bug report where someone didn't get their disks unmounted properly. It swapped the order of my umount operations as well. Good thing I'm using etckeeper... |
| 04:28.22 | smacnay | I can mount a cd as root typing the command but Gnome cannot auto mount the disc. That is sort of backwards to the way it is *supposed* to work... :) |
| 04:28.33 | smacnay | Should be automagic in gnome... |
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| 04:30.41 | objorn | during the install of mailutils, an error occured: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken failed! |
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| 04:31.26 | unitypunk_ | how can i transfer a file using ssh from this windows computer to the server running ssh |
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| 04:32.01 | pickcoder | unitypunk_: winscp |
| 04:32.20 | xhairball | tpocra: rename (comes with perl as prename). Use it with -n first to make sure you're getting what you want: rename -n 's/:/_/g' * |
| 04:32.56 | unitypunk_ | no wasy command line? |
| 04:33.11 | unitypunk_ | i guess 2.4mb is pretty easy |
| 04:33.23 | xhairball | Is this channel normally so dead? Is everyone over at oftc? |
| 04:33.31 | unitypunk_ | lol |
| 04:33.32 | xhairball | unitypunk_: cygwin? |
| 04:33.53 | ParadoxG | I think FileZilla can do it as well |
| 04:34.00 | pickcoder | xhairball: everyone is asleep |
| 04:34.05 | pickcoder | come in earlier in the day |
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| 04:51.02 | ^kane | #php.de |
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| 04:51.15 | ponky_ | kick.de |
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| 05:01.13 | ruiwen2 | Hi, anyone have tips on how to run PHP4 and PHP5 side by side in Etch? |
| 05:01.39 | ruiwen2 | libapach2-mod-php5 keeps trying to remove libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 05:15.54 | helo_ | how can i inflict great emotional and physical pain upon this computer? |
| 05:16.10 | roe | install windows? |
| 05:16.12 | Guerin | helo_: i recommend watching Office Space |
| 05:16.17 | Guerin | roe: you win. |
| 05:16.43 | helo_ | hmm... good suggestions |
| 05:17.18 | helo_ | this machine better hope it never comes back to our office after it ships out |
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| 05:35.21 | kaoepne | 'history -c' is only clearing commands in a shell session. when the shell is closed and a new one opened, the old commands re-appear. where is the problem? |
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| 05:36.00 | ktwilight[m] | how's squeeze doing these days? |
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| 05:36.21 | sprink | does the debian netinstall cd contain more ethernet card drivers than the standard cd? |
| 05:37.13 | sprink | I did a modprobe -l while booted into busybox from the debian installer and didn't see _any_ ethernet drivers |
| 05:37.16 | ktwilight[m] | ethernet card drivers is kernel dependent. i don't think there would be a difference |
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| 05:37.35 | sprink | they are modular |
| 05:37.52 | ktwilight[m] | which can be checked via grepping the config file? |
| 05:38.01 | sprink | which config file? |
| 05:38.21 | ktwilight[m] | in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 05:38.34 | ktwilight[m] | or /proc/config.gz |
| 05:38.47 | sprink | I'm not in linux right now. what is that gonna reveal? |
| 05:39.57 | ktwilight[m] | sprink, it'll reveal the kernel's configuration settings |
| 05:40.18 | sprink | I did a simple modprobe -l |
| 05:40.37 | sprink | Oh wait. I see what you're saying. |
| 05:40.47 | sprink | All the ethernet drivers are not modular? |
| 05:40.57 | ktwilight[m] | am unsure about hte defaults, but some may not be? |
| 05:41.03 | ktwilight[m] | sure ifconfig -a doesn't show anything? |
| 05:41.12 | sprink | ifconfig doesn't work from busybox |
| 05:41.14 | ktwilight[m] | usually if it's ethernet it's compiled-in |
| 05:41.18 | ktwilight[m] | right |
| 05:41.25 | ktwilight[m] | so why are you in busybox again? |
| 05:41.34 | ktwilight[m] | what's the problem..? |
| 05:41.56 | sprink | trying to install on a machine with no cdrom drie, and the ethernet is not being detected |
| 05:42.16 | sprink | modprobe -l didn't list _any_ ethernet drivers |
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| 05:42.40 | ktwilight[m] | but debian is already installed? |
| 05:42.46 | sprink | no. it's not. |
| 05:43.04 | ktwilight[m] | how are you intending to install debian on a cdrom-less and internet-less pc? |
| 05:43.10 | ktwilight[m] | external cdrom? |
| 05:43.15 | sprink | via usb thumb drive |
| 05:43.34 | ktwilight[m] | right, so the installer is bootable? |
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| 05:44.19 | sprink | installer boots yeah. but for some reason the installer will not let me continue the installation because it says I need to load media from some where |
| 05:44.25 | sprink | since the ethernet isn't detected |
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| 05:44.49 | sprink | it wont let me continue, no cdrom, no ethernet, so it wont continue |
| 05:45.32 | ktwilight[m] | o, no idea. booting from thumbdrive is already new to me... |
| 05:45.33 | sprink | I have the full 5.03 cd on a 8 gb drive, but it apparently wont let me continue the installation because no optical drive and no ethernet |
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| 05:46.11 | sprink | I really really don't wanna install ubuntu :( |
| 05:46.14 | fale | hi |
| 05:46.16 | ktwilight[m] | but if the installer boots up, it should be able to install despite the lack of cdrom and ethernet... |
| 05:46.21 | ktwilight[m] | sprink, ubuntu works? |
| 05:46.31 | buntfalke | What does /var/lib/dpkg/status do? |
| 05:46.34 | fale | how can I close a shell without killing the program that is running inside it? |
| 05:46.48 | sprink | ktwilight[m]: yeah ubuntu works. I bought this barebone system online and users who also bought it said ubuntu 9.04 works |
| 05:46.54 | nevyn | fale: there are a couple of ways |
| 05:47.16 | nevyn | fale: if you never want to look at it again you can use disown in bash to detach it from the shell |
| 05:47.35 | nevyn | fale: if you want to get it back your best option is to run screen before starting it |
| 05:47.58 | nevyn | fale: another option is using nohup which appends all the output from the command to a file (nohup.out by default) |
| 05:48.28 | fale | nevyn: if the process already started, is there a way? I don't care to don't be able to connect it again |
| 05:48.39 | ktwilight[m] | sprink, file a bug report |
| 05:48.57 | nevyn | fale: ctrl-Z to suspend then bg. |
| 05:49.02 | nevyn | fale: then disown $1 |
| 05:49.06 | nevyn | bleh %1 rather |
| 05:49.07 | sprink | ktwilight[m]: okay I will after I get this thing online. |
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| 05:49.37 | sprink | Does anyone know if there is any special boot options needed to make the installer read packages from the usb drive? It keeps wanting to search a optical drive. |
| 05:50.14 | ktwilight[m] | sprink, check out the boot options in the boot menu? |
| 05:50.34 | sprink | ktwilight[m]: I don't have those boot options because I am using a UNetBootin |
| 05:50.38 | neutrino | i have problem with the screen resolution, i won't allow me to change, i tried installing the driver, but ultimately failed, but somtimes without some reason, i would have 1024X768. My qustion is can i hibernate and save the image file for later use? |
| 05:50.52 | fale | nevyn: "-bash: disown: %1: job inesistente" :( |
| 05:51.12 | nevyn | fale: type jobs |
| 05:51.42 | bluejay_ | does anyone know the difference between ^d and ^k in rtorrent? both stop the highlighted torrent transfer |
| 05:53.25 | fale | nevyn: inexistent jobs :( |
| 05:53.34 | rburn | sprink, about d-i from usb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498143. hope it helps |
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| 05:53.58 | nevyn | did you press ctrl-z? |
| 05:54.01 | fale | yep |
| 05:54.04 | rburn | it is done, dont know if its working |
| 05:54.10 | fale | and if now I do it it does nothing :( |
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| 05:54.31 | nevyn | right |
| 05:54.40 | nevyn | but there are no suspended jobs? |
| 05:54.48 | nevyn | you sure your process didn't just finish? |
| 05:54.56 | fale | I'm sure |
| 05:55.09 | fale | because after I wrote "bg" and it started again |
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| 05:58.15 | ktwilight[m] | cool, so debian has a new release policy...nice :) |
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| 06:01.26 | catsup | lol |
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| 06:01.41 | catsup | damn one line short |
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| 06:03.51 | qneo | I'm trying to download squeeze, but there is nothing for two days: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ <-- is this usual? |
| 06:04.29 | rburn | qneo, ->weekly-builds<- |
| 06:05.25 | qneo | rburn, so it should be regenerated weekly, as I understand |
| 06:05.44 | ktwilight[m] | qneo, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/ you probably want that |
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| 06:06.29 | neutrino | can i save the hibernated image and load it later? i just dont mean to hibernate, i want to save that hibernated image file separately and load this image while booting.. |
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| 06:07.11 | qneo | ktwilight[m], thank you, I'll try it |
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| 06:09.39 | _Techie_ | about a week ago someone helped me get my graphics working by helping me setup a modeline in my xorg.conf for 1152x768 |
| 06:09.49 | _Techie_ | is that person here? |
| 06:10.19 | _Techie_ | or someone that is able to do it? |
| 06:10.20 | fredl | Hmm that's interesting... right-clicking on a URL from xchat opens /bin/sh /usr/bin/xdg-open, which in turn opens /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
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| 06:10.56 | fredl | while I clearly told xchat to use /opt/firefox/bin/firefox as URL handler. |
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| 06:11.36 | fredl | is there some crazy GTK or GNOME setting that chooses x-www-browser for me? |
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| 06:12.44 | rburn | fredl, in xfce? "/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /path/to/browser" |
| 06:13.11 | fredl | hmm ok. |
| 06:13.15 | rburn | should be general i thing |
| 06:13.18 | rburn | *think |
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| 06:14.28 | fredl | well I'm running E here so it may be that somehow GNOME settings are forgotten. |
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| 06:15.28 | rburn | yeah. update-alternatives isnt gnome related so it should work. |
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| 06:16.58 | fredl | nope. |
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| 06:17.43 | fredl | fredl@omega:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 06:17.43 | fredl | /usr/bin/epiphany-browser |
| 06:17.59 | fredl | fredl@omega:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /opt/firefox/bin/firefox |
| 06:18.00 | fredl | update-alternatives: using /opt/firefox/bin/firefox to provide /usr/bin/x-www-browser (x-www-browser) in manual mode. |
| 06:18.00 | fredl | Can't call method "slave" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 1017. |
| 06:18.24 | simonrvn | er? |
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| 06:19.11 | rburn | maybe update-alternatives is only for things/packages with debconf info |
| 06:19.21 | simonrvn | no |
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| 06:19.54 | _Techie_ | is anyone able to help me create a modeline for my laptops resolution of 1152x768 |
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| 06:24.37 | fredl | it's supposed to only change some symlinks. |
| 06:24.57 | fredl | _Techie_, why do you need to? does X not work properly without Modeline? |
| 06:25.18 | _Techie_ | nope |
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| 06:25.39 | fredl | strange. does it detect your graphics card properly? |
| 06:25.44 | _Techie_ | fredl, the ati driver which calls the r128 driver cant probe my display properly |
| 06:26.14 | fredl | you're using fglrx (proprietary) or the opensource radeon driver? |
| 06:26.25 | _Techie_ | ati driver opensource |
| 06:26.35 | _Techie_ | on a ppc machine |
| 06:26.52 | _Techie_ | with an ATI 128 mobility |
| 06:27.17 | fredl | well I'm not the best person to help with that, really. You might want to give it a try on #radeon, I've had some good pointers there |
| 06:27.39 | fredl | ut it may take a while before you get answers there, there's not always somebody around. |
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| 06:28.44 | _Techie_ | fredl, i had someone last tuesday that knew exactly what they were doing and got it working perfectly, but unfortunately i cant remember their name |
| 06:29.27 | fredl | yes frequently you will find somebody here with more specific knowledge :) |
| 06:29.37 | _Techie_ | anyway im gonna go restart the laptop with my attempt at a modified xorg.conf |
| 06:29.45 | fredl | good luck! |
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| 06:30.59 | fredl | hmm, update-alterntives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/epiphany-browser works like a charm. |
| 06:31.33 | fredl | but on /opt/firefox/bin/firefox it doesn't. Strange. |
| 06:32.23 | rburn | fredl from googling around here: http://gutocarvalho.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Debian_Pantaneiro#firefox |
| 06:32.27 | rburn | in portuguese |
| 06:33.02 | _Techie_ | darn, sorta worked it didnt report that modeline isnt valid in that section, however it is saying that it expects a dotclock |
| 06:33.16 | fredl | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529999 |
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| 06:49.29 | mischief_ | can anyone tell me the best way to rebuild and maintain particular (or all) debian packages on my system with optimizations? |
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| 06:57.02 | kelvinq | anyone knows how to find out the current ext3 journal level? |
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| 06:59.58 | radoe | kelvinq: you mean which of the various data= mountoptions was used? |
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| 07:00.19 | kelvinq | radoe: not that, but rather the various levels of journaling. |
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| 07:00.53 | radoe | kelvinq: what do you mean by that? |
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| 07:04.34 | kelvinq | radoe: ext3 has 3 levels of journaling right? journaled, ordered, writeback |
| 07:04.52 | kelvinq | radoe: how do i find out which level it is using? |
| 07:05.02 | kelvinq | radoe: thanks for accomodating my idioticness. |
| 07:05.43 | radoe | kelvinq: which is adjusted by using mount options named data=ordered, data=journal, data=writeback. This was what I asked above... |
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| 07:06.17 | kelvinq | radoe: unfortunately, my fs is mounted this way --> /dev/sda5 / ext3 defaults 1 2 |
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| 07:06.32 | kelvinq | radoe: that's hardly indicative. blame me. |
| 07:06.36 | radoe | kelvinq: so you need to find out which one was used, have a look in /proc/mounts. |
| 07:06.45 | kelvinq | radoe: brilliant! |
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| 07:06.55 | AruNatsu | how can i change the MOTD that you see when you ssh into the system? |
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| 07:07.13 | radoe | kelvinq: your fstab means "use the current kernels default for data=..., whatever it is." |
| 07:07.32 | mischief_ | AruNatsu: man motd |
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| 07:08.00 | kelvinq | nice. |
| 07:08.07 | kelvinq | radoe: /dev/sda5 / ext3 rw,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 07:08.28 | kelvinq | radoe: so, to change the "defaults", i will just alter /proc/mounts |
| 07:08.33 | AruNatsu | mischief_: ty! |
| 07:08.44 | radoe | kelvinq: no, you can't do that. |
| 07:08.48 | mischief_ | AruNatsu: apropos next time. :p |
| 07:09.19 | radoe | kelvinq: /proc/mounts is not a regular file, the used default is compiled into the kernel. |
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| 07:09.37 | kelvinq | heh. |
| 07:10.23 | kelvinq | radoe: i will alter it at mount time then. alter fstab. thanks. |
| 07:10.35 | radoe | kelvinq: may I point you to mount(8), where you can find a hint how to change this for your root-FS. For others just add a matching data= to your fstab. |
| 07:11.13 | kelvinq | radoe: thanks! :) man mount is my friend. |
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| 07:18.55 | fredl | hmm, update-alternatives might not work, ln -sf /opt/firefox/bin/firefox /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser does :P |
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| 07:27.48 | sprink | can someone on stable 'modprobe -l | grep 'r8169' for me? |
| 07:28.13 | fredl | sprink, having trouble ? |
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| 07:28.19 | mischief_ | can anyone tell me the best way to rebuild and maintain particular (or all) debian packages on my system with optimizations? |
| 07:28.31 | sprink | fredl: yeah couldn't get stable to boot. Had to install debian but I found the driver I need. |
| 07:28.38 | sprink | now I want to see if it's included in debian stable |
| 07:28.49 | sprink | r8169 if someone can grep it for me. |
| 07:28.56 | yucatan1 | i'm looking for a web based rsync client |
| 07:29.05 | fredl | sprink, I had problems with the r8169 driver on Lenny too. No longer running Lenny now.... |
| 07:29.14 | yucatan1 | so that people can login to my website and uplaod some backups using rsync |
| 07:29.28 | fredl | and yes, the r8169 driver IS included in Lenny. The r8168 isn't however. |
| 07:29.29 | sprink | fredl: haha :) |
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| 07:30.03 | fredl | mischief, maybe look into apt-get source <pkgname> ? |
| 07:30.40 | mischief_ | ..i know how to fetch package source. i'm looking for a more 'systematic' build system |
| 07:30.45 | fredl | yucatan1, I don't see how a webserver and rsync have anything to do with each other, could you explain more? |
| 07:30.55 | sprink | So if I drop into busybox from the debian installer, can I just modprobe that driver to get my ethernet detected so I cain finish the install? |
| 07:31.03 | fredl | mischief_ I think that's called 'Gentoo' :-) |
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| 07:31.48 | fredl | sprink - well it's strange that it hasn't loaded the driver so I'm curious if that'll work, but try it >:) |
| 07:32.03 | mischief_ | something as simple as ./fetch-and-build-packages-with-optimizations <packages ...> |
| 07:32.15 | mischief_ | would be lovely |
| 07:32.16 | khem_ | hello |
| 07:32.30 | khem_ | can someone please help me with the modulo function in calc? |
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| 07:32.59 | fredl | mischief_ well I've never heard of anything like that at least but I only rebuild the occasional pkg |
| 07:33.08 | sprink | fredl: lspci -v didn't know much about the ethernet card. But that is indeed the driver that ubuntu uses for it. Weird huh? |
| 07:33.19 | fredl | I'm sure somebody can khem :) |
| 07:33.21 | fredl | !ask |
| 07:33.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:34.02 | yucatan1 | i'm looking for a web based rsync client |
| 07:34.03 | sprink | fredl: so your r8169 card worked in testing but not stable? |
| 07:34.04 | yucatan1 | so that people can login to my website and uplaod some backups using rsync |
| 07:34.05 | fredl | sprink, lspci didn't show the card *at all* ? |
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| 07:34.57 | fredl | sprink, well I had a different problem, the included r8169 driver did not work for my RTL8111/8168B so I had to get the Realtek driver |
| 07:35.18 | sprink | fredl: sorry. I meant lspci. It showed it but it didn't know what kernel module it used. |
| 07:35.49 | fredl | sprink, does your output by any chance show RTL8111/8168B ? |
| 07:36.21 | sprink | fredl: |
| 07:36.21 | sprink | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 07:36.42 | fredl | hmm |
| 07:36.55 | sprink | it's onboard ethernet, on a mini itx. |
| 07:37.05 | fredl | sprink, well did you actually just try to modprobe r8169 ? |
| 07:37.42 | sprink | fredl: no becaue I didn't realize that was the driver it needed until after I installed ubuntu. Now I am contemplating going back to the debian installer and trying to modprobe it. |
| 07:37.47 | bullgard4 | khen_: example: 17 modulo 3 = 2, because 17 divided by 3 yields a remainder of 2. |
| 07:38.39 | fredl | sprink - anyway, to answer your question, yes r8169 is included in the Lenny install. |
| 07:38.50 | sprink | fredl: heh okay ty :) |
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| 07:44.26 | jigp | hi guys |
| 07:44.28 | yucatan1 | hello guys i wanne make a backup system that people can visit my website and make a backup of there system using the webinterface somebody have some advice for me? |
| 07:44.31 | jigp | good afternoon |
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| 07:56.11 | fredl | yucatan1, I don't see how a webserver and rsync have anything to do with each other, could you explain more? |
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| 07:59.49 | yucatan1 | fredl: i am looking for a web based backup system |
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| 08:00.47 | fredl | yucatan1, so you mean that people will be able to set some things like their own hostname, paths to backup etc. and then your server will automatically make a backup? |
| 08:00.49 | yucatan1 | so that people can go to my website. login. and they can select what files/folders they wanne backup if they did that the backup is uploaded to oure backup server (maby using the rsync proctocol |
| 08:00.51 | ^kane | can somebody tell my how to configure my SATA drives on a controller under udev? |
| 08:01.01 | yucatan1 | yeah |
| 08:01.39 | yucatan1 | they can select in the webinterface what folders they would like to store on the backup server |
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| 08:02.40 | yucatan1 | that they always have a copy of there important data for in case there computer craches they are able chose that data is importend to them. |
| 08:02.58 | fredl | yucatan1 - hmm... never seen anything like that but I just googled for it, maybe this does what you want: http://sourceforge.net/projects/backupmon/ |
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| 08:03.14 | yucatan1 | i already installed backupmon |
| 08:03.25 | yucatan1 | i only can make shelder tasks |
| 08:03.33 | fredl | shelder? |
| 08:03.40 | yucatan1 | in backupmon i cannot upload they right away |
| 08:04.19 | fredl | well but uploading through a webinterface is an entirely different mechanism unrelated to rsync, right? |
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| 08:04.46 | mischief_ | anyone know what arch i should pick during apt-build configuration if i have an amd phenom? |
| 08:05.46 | Nielsen | either amd64, x86_64 or x86 |
| 08:06.06 | Nielsen | with phenom, all 3 will work |
| 08:06.29 | cydork | !gentosmite mischief_ |
| 08:06.31 | ChrisW1 | hi all, I have an external usb disk which seems to stop working after being plugged in for a while, particularly when my 2am backup process tries to write to it. umount, powerdown, powerup of the drive seems to solve the problem, but then it always returns later, here's the salient bits from syslog: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/143494/ |
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| 08:06.40 | cydork | !gentoosmite mischief_ |
| 08:06.40 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling mischief_, and when it's all done, mischief_ runs 0.3% faster than previously |
| 08:07.00 | yucatan1 | yeah i know |
| 08:07.23 | yucatan1 | but i wanted to use the rsync protocol to upload the data |
| 08:07.28 | ChrisW1 | how can I find out what's going on here? gut feels says the disk itself is fine, something else is just causing the read/write errors... |
| 08:07.34 | yucatan1 | because its fast and good encrypted |
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| 08:07.57 | Guerin | !topics |
| 08:07.57 | dpkg | I believe you meant 'topic'? |
| 08:08.05 | Guerin | fail |
| 08:08.07 | mischief_ | nevermind, it doesn't matter what i pick. it just sets the gcc -mtune option and i will change the conf file to -mtune=native |
| 08:08.28 | fredl | yucatan1, hmm... well I believe that's quite specific actually, you might have to code something for that yourself. |
| 08:09.49 | fredl | yucatan1, all the people that use this service will have an rsync client installed on their PC? |
| 08:10.27 | ChrisW1 | Hmm, also got this in syslog when I tried to umount: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/143495/ |
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| 08:11.04 | valdyn | ChrisW: bad or overheating disk controller, get a better enclosure for your disk |
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| 08:11.36 | ChrisW | valdyn: what do you mean by "bad"? |
| 08:11.49 | ChrisW | This never used to be a problem with these same disks... |
| 08:11.49 | valdyn | ChrisW: low quality |
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| 08:12.00 | ChrisW | ...and enclosures for that matter ;-) |
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| 08:12.14 | valdyn | ChrisW: theres always a first time |
| 08:13.19 | ChrisW | well, no, this isn't the first time by a long time, which is why I'm here asking, but the problem only seems to have started over the last couple of months... |
| 08:14.17 | floe | hi |
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| 08:17.03 | yucatan1 | fred1 no |
| 08:17.36 | yucatan1 | i just need a web based backup system i prefer rsync but if its using ftp or something else thats not a problem |
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| 08:22.19 | kraut | moin |
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| 08:27.20 | floe | hi |
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| 08:43.26 | nadio | What is the name of application/package that lets edit autostart/init applications in console? |
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| 08:45.19 | mhymn | nadio: rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 08:46.19 | haq20 | hi, i cant startx from inside screen. after doing dpkg-reconfigure x11-common it works outside of screen though |
| 08:46.27 | haq20 | what to do? |
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| 08:47.04 | Hoxzer | why would you wanna startx inside a screen O_o |
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| 08:48.09 | valdyn | haq20: screen is not a local console |
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| 08:49.07 | ktwilight[m] | xorg only works in ttyX...? |
| 08:49.28 | valdyn | that is configurable via "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" iirc |
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| 08:54.25 | haq20 | valdyn: ok thanks, i have it working now |
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| 08:56.43 | Lemon|work | How can i see which configuration file a running dns server uses? |
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| 08:58.37 | petemc | Lemon|work: which dns server? |
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| 08:59.12 | petemc | it can often be in the ps output, eg: /usr/sbin/named -c /named.conf -u bind -t /etc/bind |
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| 09:03.41 | Lemon|work | petemc: i'm using Bind 0.3.4-P1.1 |
| 09:03.45 | Lemon|work | 9.3 |
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| 09:03.54 | Lemon|work | so 9.3.4-p1.1 |
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| 09:10.09 | pif | anyone has xul-ext-adblock-plus working with iceweasel-3.5.3 ? |
| 09:10.45 | mischief_ | hey, can anyone help me with apt-build and building a kernel package? http://paste.debian.net/48423/ is what i am getting for "apt-build --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64" |
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| 09:14.05 | ChrisW | how do I do a dhcp ip address renew from a bash prompt? |
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| 09:14.24 | mischief_ | !tell ChrisW about dhclient |
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| 09:15.56 | ChrisW | mischief_: wasn't really that useful |
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| 09:16.35 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 09:17.24 | mischief_ | ChrisW: use dhclient. man dhclient |
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| 09:17.53 | hanibana | I have a Debian Lenny newly installed.... the basb auto-completion does NOT work for things like apt and man.... how can I enable it? I have enabled bash_completion at start up files. |
| 09:18.12 | ChrisW | mischief_: yeah, read the manpage, as usual, about as useful as a chocolate teapot |
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| 09:18.26 | ChrisW | how do I renew the ip address? |
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| 09:18.48 | mischief_ | ChrisW: you...first read the dhclient manpage, and then use dhclient |
| 09:19.01 | ChrisW | yeah, have you tried what you're suggesting? |
| 09:19.17 | ChrisW | a search for "renew" in the manpage turns up zero matches |
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| 09:20.52 | mischief_ | ChrisW: i'm sorry to hear that |
| 09:21.03 | mischief_ | i can use dhclient perfectly fine |
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| 09:21.20 | ChrisW | then why don't you try being helpful? |
| 09:21.27 | th0ger | Hi. Need to connect laptop(debian+xfce) to projector(now testing with external monitor). I can see it with xrandr. But hotkey doesn't work. xfce4 display setting only show laptop screen. What can i do here? |
| 09:21.37 | th0ger | gnome-display-properties detects the monitor, but cant save settings somehow. Don't know if i can use it with xfce at all? |
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| 09:23.11 | mischief_ | ChrisW: look man, all you need to do is run dhclient on the interface |
| 09:23.37 | ChrisW | I did, that told me when the lease was due for renewal, it didn't flush the ip and renew the lease |
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| 09:24.27 | BleSS | when I save some youtube's video, its sound is wrong played in my desktop player but it's well seen from internet, how solve it? |
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| 09:25.16 | mischief_ | ChrisW: are you sure that the lease is not renewed? and are you saying it's the same IP? there's nothing incorrect about having the same ip |
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| 09:26.11 | G69 | Bom Dia. |
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| 09:26.35 | ChrisW | *sigh* I don't actually know what it's doing because the man page is piss poor, the utility is unintuitive and then to top it all your attitude sucks... nice... and you wonder why people are still using windows and mac? |
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| 09:28.13 | `lazy | heya, |
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| 09:28.27 | mischief_ | i tried :s |
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| 09:29.15 | `lazy | i've set timezone: in tzdata Europe/Helsinki, it gives me wrong time and openntpd has debian pools in ntpd.conf. |
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| 09:33.27 | mischief_ | hey, can anyone help me with apt-build and building a kernel package? http://paste.debian.net/48423/ is what i am getting for "apt-build --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64" |
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| 09:42.59 | jelly | `lazy: after configuring the correct timezone, use ntpdate to initially set the correct time |
| 09:43.15 | jelly | `lazy: stop ntpd before using ntpdate |
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| 09:44.58 | sddr | wen is the next release of debian? |
| 09:45.01 | sddr | when* |
| 09:46.11 | Outl4w` | when it's done! |
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| 09:48.14 | sddr | when is it going to be done? |
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| 09:48.29 | valdyn | !wwsr |
| 09:48.29 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in early 2010 with a freeze starting in December 2009. See http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 and ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
| 09:48.51 | sddr | hmmmm ... a full year |
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| 09:51.14 | catsup | !squeeze bet |
| 09:51.14 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
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| 09:52.35 | myeggo | hello |
| 09:52.36 | Outl4w` | hmm, so you can win a free download of ubuntu? xD |
| 09:52.58 | myeggo | i am trying to configure a dhcpd log, it only saves 6days of log, but i need save all time possible |
| 09:53.10 | myeggo | it is creatying syslog, syslog.1, syslog.2, until syslog.6 |
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| 09:53.26 | myeggo | i was reading dhcpd.conf but i dont find any parameter where i can specify how much time i want to save |
| 09:53.46 | valdyn | myeggo: its not dhcpd doing the logging but your syslog daemon |
| 09:54.25 | Outl4w` | myeggo: have a look in man logrotate |
| 09:54.37 | myeggo | hey you are right, sorry, where i said dhcpd log i wanted to say syslog log |
| 09:54.48 | myeggo | thank you both, i go to seek that, Outl4w` |
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| 09:57.22 | myeggo | so, as far as i can see, i can create a block for /var/log/syslog |
| 09:57.29 | myeggo | that is what i was looking for, thank you very much |
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| 09:57.53 | valdyn | myeggo: there already is a block |
| 09:58.11 | myeggo | in logrotate.conf i only see a block for wtmp and btmp |
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| 09:58.21 | valdyn | myeggo: see /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 09:58.25 | Outl4w` | ^^ |
| 09:58.44 | valdyn | myeggo: dont modify the .conf unless you have to, logrotate.d is better |
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| 09:59.01 | myeggo | logrotate.d$ ls \n apache2 aptitude dpkg exim4-base mysql-server ppp samba vsftpd wpa_action |
| 09:59.13 | myeggo | i can create the syslog in there |
| 09:59.22 | myeggo | thanks again, you saved me many hours |
| 09:59.26 | valdyn | myeggo: no |
| 09:59.30 | myeggo | hm |
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| 09:59.58 | valdyn | myeggo: your log file(s) do not get rotated (wrongly) if theres no syslog configuration already |
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| 10:01.10 | myeggo | if i create a file in logrotate.d/ called syslog, containing the proper block, will it work? |
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| 10:01.23 | myeggo | the syslog file is what i want save |
| 10:01.25 | valdyn | myeggo: no |
| 10:01.35 | myeggo | damn, i dont get it yet |
| 10:02.01 | valdyn | myeggo: how do you think logrotate rotates /var/log/syslog if logrotate is not configured to rotate it ? |
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| 10:02.44 | valdyn | myeggo: obviously the answer is that logrotate does not rotate your syslog |
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| 10:03.34 | myeggo | aha |
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| 10:13.19 | inckie | http://packages.debian.org/etch/nagios-nrpe-server <-- anyone knows if this package gonna be updated to same version as lenny? |
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| 10:17.12 | meeee | how can I get links of files that are going to be downloaded by apt-get upgrade? |
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| 10:17.29 | fireba11 | why? |
| 10:17.44 | Stereo | meeee: what are you trying to achieve ? |
| 10:18.16 | meeee | Stereo: downloading files with a faster downloader (like axel) or even in another machine |
| 10:18.58 | mischief_ | anyone know how i can figure out exactly what i need in my kernel for custom compilation? |
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| 10:19.36 | meeee | fireba11: any idea? |
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| 10:21.57 | valdyn | mischief_: why the hell are you rebuilding the debian kernel? |
| 10:22.45 | fireba11 | meeee: downloads from a reasonable mirror are usually quite fast already. you could also build your own mirror to speed it up of course. |
| 10:23.29 | sprink | Anyone setup passwordless ssh before? |
| 10:23.39 | meeee | thanks anyway (: |
| 10:23.44 | sprink | I keep getting "unable to use keyfile" |
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| 10:25.51 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 10:25.51 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 10:25.58 | valdyn | fireba11: ^^ |
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| 10:32.08 | sprink | why is setting up passwordless ssh such a PITA :( |
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| 10:32.56 | catsup | srsly :| |
| 10:33.01 | catsup | well i'll tell you how to do it bro |
| 10:33.37 | sprink | well I made keys already, made sure key auth was on in the sshd config, restarted sshd |
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| 10:33.40 | sprink | still not working |
| 10:33.44 | catsup | um what |
| 10:33.44 | petemc | no need to restart sshd |
| 10:33.51 | catsup | oh |
| 10:33.55 | petemc | no need to change the config either |
| 10:33.57 | catsup | you're trying to do authentication with keys |
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| 10:34.07 | sprink | yes catsup |
| 10:34.16 | catsup | lol i thought you meant like an open login |
| 10:34.27 | sprink | I didn't end up changing the config. since it was already enabled. |
| 10:34.36 | catsup | because that's a bitch to set up |
| 10:34.43 | petemc | sprink: its really easy to do, you must be missing some step |
| 10:34.46 | catsup | whereas public key auth is pretty simple :\ |
| 10:34.56 | rburn | just ssh-copy-id to your account in the ssh server |
| 10:35.08 | sprink | rburn: did that. |
| 10:35.25 | sprink | It asked for my password once, and then moved my keys for me |
| 10:35.27 | catsup | see what ssh -v says |
| 10:35.37 | `lazy | jel: it gives me totally wrong time still: |
| 10:35.45 | `lazy | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Helsinki' |
| 10:35.46 | `lazy | Local time is now: Wed Oct 7 16:28:31 EEST 2009. |
| 10:35.47 | `lazy | Universal Time is now: Wed Oct 7 13:28:31 UTC 2009. |
| 10:35.53 | `lazy | and it's 13.35 in helsinki |
| 10:36.00 | `lazy | and it gives 16:28 ^^ |
| 10:36.29 | rburn | sprink, and now it asks for what? password or passphrase? |
| 10:36.38 | sprink | catsup: I wasn't using the local ssh client to connect to the server, was doing i from a windows machine, but apparently it's a problem with putty. |
| 10:36.47 | sprink | because it worked with the ssh client locally |
| 10:37.11 | sprink | rburn: nothing, putty says "unable to use keyfile" I thought it was a server error |
| 10:37.36 | petemc | theres a putty app for generating keys |
| 10:38.13 | sprink | I think I'm gonna have to do that. I guess putty doesn't like these keys generated with ssh-keygen |
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| 10:40.28 | sprink | ah cool. there's a tool to convert the key to putty format as well. |
| 10:42.24 | sprink | ahhh there we go. sorry about that |
| 10:42.29 | sprink | silly putty :( |
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| 10:51.55 | chfwiggum | doxtor: there was a bug#406814 . try this: http://www.nabble.com/Bug-406814:--406814-please-check-your-entropy-generator-td8356113.html |
| 10:52.00 | lloir | anyone alive to give a hand with wifi? |
| 10:52.16 | doxtor | chfwiggum: thanks |
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| 10:53.05 | lloir | does anyone know if there's a bug with the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers? |
| 10:53.28 | lloir | i keep dropping out when i use bit torrent or whenever i have a high upload\download |
| 10:54.01 | lloir | then cant reconnect till i reboot pc... |
| 10:54.38 | catsup | linux wifi drivers are mostly all fucked up |
| 10:54.43 | lloir | yea i know |
| 10:54.50 | lloir | but i never used to have problems with them... |
| 10:55.01 | catsup | were you maxing them out |
| 10:55.08 | lloir | nope |
| 10:55.15 | lloir | i mean it works 100% fine on windows |
| 10:55.15 | catsup | are you throttling bt at all? |
| 10:55.22 | lloir | nope |
| 10:56.01 | lloir | it happens in web browsers too |
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| 10:56.02 | catsup | hate to say it but you might try using the windows drivers with ndiswrapper |
| 10:56.10 | lloir | aye i was thinking that :/ |
| 10:57.01 | lloir | thing is tho on ubuntu for example I NEVER had the problem till it hit 9.04 and same with sid on debian |
| 10:57.15 | chfwiggum | !406814 |
| 10:57.39 | chfwiggum | !#406814 |
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| 11:17.18 | kronic | anyone ever installed rsa auth manager etc... on a deb system? |
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| 11:23.18 | Zvpun | I've installed amarok 2 (without kde, only the dependencies), the font looks terrible, what can I do to get better fonts? |
| 11:23.37 | Shadur | Install the rest of KDE. Especially the themes. |
| 11:24.47 | Zvpun | Shadur: kdeartwork-theme-window? |
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| 11:26.48 | rothwell | 'lo. anyone got any recommendations for a cheap "grandmother" inkjet printer? |
| 11:26.56 | rothwell | i'm leaning towards HP unless anyone has any preference |
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| 11:33.32 | pythonic | wow. just wow. |
| 11:33.41 | pythonic | you'd need to be a total idiot to use http://packages.debian.org/lenny/reseed |
| 11:34.02 | JPT | wtf |
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| 11:34.08 | pythonic | how the fuck did that ever get into debian? |
| 11:34.15 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:33] <pythonic> wow. just wow. |
| 11:34.16 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:33] <pythonic> you'd need to be a total idiot to use http://packages.debian.org/lenny/reseed |
| 11:34.16 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:34] <JPT> wtf |
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| 11:34.16 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:34] <pythonic> how the fuck did that ever get into debian? |
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| 11:34.16 | JPT | why should someone need this? |
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| 11:34.38 | JPT | hardcore cryptography? |
| 11:34.52 | Shadur | Someone dropkick the idiot? |
| 11:34.52 | pythonic | no, that's softcore crypto :-/ |
| 11:34.59 | pythonic | "Note that this is sent in the clear over the Internet..." |
| 11:35.03 | JPT | :-D |
| 11:35.26 | JPT | "real men just upload their stuff to an ftp and let the rest of the world mirror it" |
| 11:35.29 | BarackHusseinOba | ? |
| 11:35.29 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:34] <Shadur> Someone dropkick the idiot? |
| 11:35.33 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:34] <pythonic> no, that's softcore crypto :-/ |
| 11:35.33 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:34] <pythonic> "Note that this is sent in the clear over the Internet..." |
| 11:35.38 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:35] <JPT> :-D |
| 11:35.38 | BarackHusseinOba | [07:35] <JPT> "real men just upload their stuff to an ftp and let the rest of the world mirror it" |
| 11:35.42 | JPT | -.- |
| 11:35.46 | JPT | stop pasting stuff |
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| 11:35.52 | BarackHusseinOba | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.54 | pythonic | JPT: almost as awesome as https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm |
| 11:35.54 | BarackHusseinOba | stop pasting stuff |
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| 11:35.58 | BarackHusseinOba | JPT: almost as awesome as https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm |
| 11:36.08 | JPT | /quit |
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| 11:36.22 | superlinux | hi |
| 11:36.23 | JPT | <.< |
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| 11:36.24 | pythonic | yeah, i'd like steve gibson to know my passwords |
| 11:36.26 | Shadur | Damn. Nice try, though. |
| 11:36.26 | BarackHusseinOba | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.29 | BarackHusseinOba | <.< |
| 11:36.33 | BarackHusseinOba | yeah, i'd like steve gibson to know my passwords |
| 11:36.36 | BarackHusseinOba | Damn. Nice try, though. |
| 11:36.38 | pythonic | /quit |
| 11:36.46 | BarackHusseinOba | /quit |
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| 11:37.03 | JPT | okay... everyone who hates this raises his hand now |
| 11:37.06 | JPT | raises his hand |
| 11:37.12 | Shadur | !ops We've got an idiot constantly repasting everything others say. |
| 11:37.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: shadur complains about: We've got an idiot constantly repasting everything others say. |
| 11:37.14 | pythonic | rears his head |
| 11:37.16 | superlinux | I am trying to compile php-gtk2 this is what i get: PHP-GTK 2.x requires GLib 2.6.0 or higher, which debian pkg is that? |
| 11:37.24 | pythonic | enters the airspace of the united states |
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| 11:38.53 | Zvpun | Outl4w`: is amarok supposed to use qt4-qtconfig settings? Since I could change the font qt4-config uses but not the one amarok does |
| 11:39.08 | BarackHusseinOba | Outl4w`: is amarok supposed to use qt4-qtconfig settings? Since I could change the font qt4-config uses but not the one amarok does |
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| 11:39.26 | BarackHusseinOba | | |_| | | |/ __| |/ / | | | |/ _ \| | | | |
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| 11:39.27 | BarackHusseinOba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.33 | mesa_booger | Zvpun: no it isn't. amarok is a kde prog |
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| 11:40.05 | Shadur | superlinux: I'm guessing you'll need libglib-dev |
| 11:40.18 | Zvpun | mesa_booger: where can I configure the fonts amarok uses? |
| 11:40.22 | Shadur | Thanks, debhelper. Took you long enough, but thanks. |
| 11:40.25 | Zvpun | mesa_booger: I dont have kde installed only amarok 2 |
| 11:40.29 | cydork | wow ascii trolls.. |
| 11:40.39 | superlinux | Shadur, thanks brother |
| 11:40.53 | rothwell | hp it is! |
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| 11:41.12 | Outl4w` | Zvpun: sorry, my bad |
| 11:42.18 | mesa_booger | Zvpun: then you are screwed, unless you edit things by hand. i ditched kde myself, and switched to exaile instead of amarok. i miss amarok tho |
| 11:42.21 | Zvpun | installing and using systemsettings I could enable antialiasing. |
| 11:43.05 | Zvpun | mesa_booger: amarok's last.fm support is better than the last.fm standalone player, that's why I want to use amarok 2, otherwise rythmbox fits my needs |
| 11:43.24 | mesa_booger | Zvpun: yeah if you can find the right module, you can just run kcmshell fontconfig or whatever it is called |
| 11:43.56 | superlinux | guys! I installed the GLIB 2.1 and it said yes to php-gtk2 in ./configure |
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| 11:46.32 | amee2k | how stable is testing? |
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| 11:47.48 | haqe20 | less stable than stable, but more stable than sid |
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| 11:48.21 | amee2k | from exp, would you recommend it for production? |
| 11:48.30 | superlinux | amee2k, no way! |
| 11:48.32 | babilen | amee2k: no |
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| 11:48.51 | amee2k | hm... |
| 11:49.05 | babilen | amee2k: why do you consider switching production server to testing? |
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| 11:49.17 | amee2k | mmm more like production desktop |
| 11:49.31 | amee2k | this mildly sucks because i could really use some more current versions |
| 11:49.41 | babilen | amee2k: that is a different thing. How familiar are you with Debian? |
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| 11:49.46 | amee2k | but i recently decided that 'buntu is getting somewhat too messy |
| 11:50.17 | babilen | amee2k: I am running testing for some years now and just had very few major problems with it. |
| 11:50.29 | bzrk | amee2k: what babilen said |
| 11:50.30 | amee2k | babilen: i get by i'd say. used 3.x for a while, then switched to buntu for ~2 years, and back to deb5 last week |
| 11:51.59 | babilen | amee2k: I would suggest you try it for a while. Read Osamu's documentation on Debian, install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs. Think whenever you do an update. |
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| 11:52.26 | babilen | amee2k: And *don't* mix releases! |
| 11:52.41 | amee2k | hehe |
| 11:52.48 | SmithyUK | Hi all, which build should I use on an N series Atom processor? |
| 11:52.48 | Shadur | amee2k: Do /NOT/ mix release versions. EVER. |
| 11:52.57 | Shadur | This needs to be said more than once. |
| 11:53.12 | babilen | Shadur: exactly :-D |
| 11:53.18 | amee2k | i'd expect that it creates a dependency nightmare |
| 11:53.45 | amee2k | especially when it comes to unifying it back into one of the two |
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| 11:54.11 | amee2k | is there a recommended procedure for (forward) switching on the fly? or do i need to reinstall |
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| 11:54.33 | babilen | amee2k: or three... or four. Plus packages from a bunch of buggy third party repos. |
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| 11:55.19 | mesa_booger | ... that replace important system libs |
| 11:55.19 | babilen | amee2k: You can upgrade on the fly. Read the release notes for lenny to get a clear understanding what you should take care of *prior* and *while* the upgrade |
| 11:55.28 | amee2k | was that re:dependencies or re:update procedure |
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| 11:56.08 | babilen | amee2k: the "or three ..." was re:dependency nightmare |
| 11:56.14 | amee2k | ah, okay |
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| 11:56.55 | babilen | amee2k: which platform do you use? |
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| 11:57.18 | amee2k | x86 (32 bit... its a P-III 1000) |
| 11:57.54 | babilen | amee2k: read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:58.19 | amee2k | ah, right. just found it myself :) |
| 11:58.21 | babilen | amee2k: a lot of tips/best practices still apply for an upgrade lenny -> squeeze. If you are unsure come back and ask... |
| 11:59.38 | amee2k | that is... apply for stable->testing upgrade? |
| 11:59.46 | babilen | amee2k: Given that you lenny install is in its infancy you should make backups of your home directory. |
| 11:59.48 | babilen | amee2k: yes |
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| 12:00.17 | amee2k | i have the home dir on a second partition, i'll just unmount it and remove the fstab entry while i upgrade |
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| 12:01.31 | amee2k | unless of course the upgrade procedure is known to molest unknown non-combatant partitions on the system like the other operating system from redmond does |
| 12:01.37 | babilen | amee2k: backups are still recommended though, but that is your own decision. If you have an external drive it is pretty easy to setup automatic backups with, for example, rsnapshot |
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| 12:02.09 | babilen | amee2k: The upgrade *should* proceed without problems. But I still recommend it. |
| 12:02.16 | amee2k | okay |
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| 12:14.52 | LobbyZ | Hey, is there a program that allows you to see how much bandwidth are being used at the moment and how much total you've spent in a week or so? iftop just reads when the program is started but it dosnt say the total bandwidth |
| 12:15.16 | LobbyZ | remove week and add server start |
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| 12:15.28 | marck | hi |
| 12:15.41 | marck | i have had way to read a news: |
| 12:15.45 | JPT | nload for bandwidth |
| 12:15.59 | JPT | vnstat for traffic per day/... |
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| 12:16.08 | marck | is dead APT, now is possible to choose |
| 12:16.28 | LobbyZ | JPT, vnstat seems to fail on my system |
| 12:16.35 | JPT | why? Oo |
| 12:16.38 | marck | between APT2 or CUPT |
| 12:16.48 | LobbyZ | Keeps saying 'too little information' |
| 12:16.56 | JPT | well |
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| 12:17.01 | JPT | vnstat monitors whole days |
| 12:17.23 | mischief_ | valdyn: because i'd like faster boot times |
| 12:17.40 | JPT | LobbyZ: http://nopaste.info/1d206834ff.html |
| 12:17.55 | JPT | it will take some time to get vnstat to talk |
| 12:18.04 | JPT | but its results are exact |
| 12:18.14 | JPT | nload is better with bandwidth |
| 12:18.15 | LobbyZ | Ah |
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| 12:18.19 | LobbyZ | nload is the one i was looking for |
| 12:18.21 | LobbyZ | thanks! |
| 12:18.23 | JPT | :) |
| 12:18.34 | LobbyZ | whoa |
| 12:18.36 | LobbyZ | its awesome |
| 12:18.47 | JPT | press o to open/close the setting |
| 12:18.48 | JPT | s |
| 12:18.53 | JPT | :) |
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| 12:19.14 | marck | http://jackyf.livejournal.com/102064.html |
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| 12:20.04 | marck | so LobbyZ the news is not anymore too little |
| 12:20.16 | LobbyZ | What are you talking about? |
| 12:20.28 | LobbyZ | JPT, how do you go to the next page? it fails |
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| 12:20.42 | marck | about CUPT or APT2 |
| 12:20.55 | JPT | LobbyZ: just move the cursor up or down i guess... |
| 12:21.01 | JPT | or read a bit in the manpage :) |
| 12:21.21 | LobbyZ | there is no cursor |
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| 12:21.25 | LobbyZ | its only terminal |
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| 12:21.30 | JPT | nload? |
| 12:21.36 | LobbyZ | the system |
| 12:22.01 | JPT | if you pressed "o" in nload, you can use the arrow-down or arrow-up key to move the terminal cursor |
| 12:22.01 | LobbyZ | meh, i don't need to change the settings |
| 12:22.04 | LobbyZ | it works just fine |
| 12:22.07 | JPT | :-D |
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| 12:22.09 | LobbyZ | yeah that i can do |
| 12:22.15 | LobbyZ | but it won't go to the next page |
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| 12:22.27 | JPT | press + or - |
| 12:22.38 | LobbyZ | if i do that, it closes the settings |
| 12:22.44 | JPT | numlock? |
| 12:22.48 | LobbyZ | its on |
| 12:22.52 | JPT | mh |
| 12:22.55 | JPT | strange |
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| 12:26.32 | LobbyZ | JPT, iftop uses about 20-30mb ram when started, happen to know how much nload takes? |
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| 12:26.46 | JPT | hm |
| 12:26.48 | JPT | let's see |
| 12:26.59 | amee2k | in how far is it advisible to use the status name in apt source lines? |
| 12:27.04 | JPT | about 1-2 mb |
| 12:27.07 | LobbyZ | oh |
| 12:27.10 | LobbyZ | thats a big improvement |
| 12:27.15 | LobbyZ | kudos to you |
| 12:27.50 | JPT | actually everything that uses more than 5mb is evil for a computer with only 256mb ram :) |
| 12:28.37 | LobbyZ | hah |
| 12:28.39 | LobbyZ | i got 256mb ram |
| 12:28.40 | LobbyZ | so :P |
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| 12:35.07 | ranix | 256m of ram is way more than enough |
| 12:35.14 | ranix | 640k ought to be enough for anybody |
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| 12:36.56 | amee2k | ranix: given a sufficiently advanced compression algorithm, it would be ;) |
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| 12:39.12 | amee2k | babilen: um... it already says lenny in my sources.list as it does in the release notes. should i substitute "testing" for it? |
| 12:40.23 | adb | use squeeze instead testing , if needed |
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| 12:41.09 | amee2k | eh |
| 12:41.11 | amee2k | thanks |
| 12:41.27 | amee2k | kinda forgot 'buntu inherited the version name scourge from deb >_> |
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| 12:43.03 | adb | amee2k, but better use bpo , squeeze is not a good pass for now |
| 12:43.11 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 12:43.29 | amee2k | jpinx-eeepc: 5.0.3 |
| 12:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: if you are asking questions like this you should stick to lenny ;) |
| 12:43.37 | amee2k | adb: "bpo" |
| 12:43.39 | amee2k | ? |
| 12:43.40 | adb | !tell amee2k -about bpo |
| 12:43.57 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: use backports for packages with newer versions |
| 12:44.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze |
| 12:44.21 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 12:44.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 12:44.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are ... |
| 12:44.48 | adb | !tell amee2k -about ssb |
| 12:44.56 | amee2k | jpinx-eeepc: hehe. i've used ubuntu for two years. kinda came to associate the use of reta...strange names for simple numbers with that system |
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| 12:45.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell amee2k about testing |
| 12:45.25 | amee2k | ... |
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| 12:45.35 | amee2k | i don't follow |
| 12:45.53 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: don't use squeeze unless you really know what you're doing |
| 12:46.05 | jpinx-eeepc | -- which you appear not to |
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| 12:46.25 | amee2k | well, stable is way too old for my use |
| 12:46.37 | amee2k | and ubuntu is getting a mess lately |
| 12:46.39 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: what is old about it? |
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| 12:46.59 | amee2k | um... network manager is like version 6? |
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| 12:47.20 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: look in backports for a newer version |
| 12:47.32 | amee2k | it can do like nothing other than wireless and it kinda fails at that too |
| 12:47.33 | jpinx-eeepc | and what is wrong with network managere version 6? |
| 12:47.37 | adb | network manager ? don't use them .. |
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| 12:48.02 | amee2k | well 6 was a pain after all |
| 12:48.13 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: and if you aree using network manager you *certainly* don;t wnat to upgrade to testing ;) |
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| 12:48.26 | amee2k | ... okay |
| 12:48.53 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: did you look in backports? |
| 12:49.09 | amee2k | mmm doesn't look supported i'd say |
| 12:49.12 | adb | jpinx-eeepc, i let you "fix" amee2k on lenny .. |
| 12:49.27 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: gee thanks dude ;) |
| 12:50.23 | amee2k | i kinda don't see the diff other than that i don't need to upgrade libs however |
| 12:51.03 | gullstein | Anyone used wake on lan? |
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| 12:51.19 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders if amee2k read the note on testing |
| 12:51.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 12:51.24 | dpkg | methinks testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 12:51.54 | amee2k | jpinx-eeepc: no. you said i should use backports instead |
| 12:52.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 12:52.14 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:52.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 12:52.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 12:52.36 | chfwiggum | sounds like /part |
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| 12:53.50 | tdn | I have a NAT router that functions as the internet gateway for a small office LAN. Our internet connection is an ADSL (20mbit down / 1mbit up). The problem is that one person can hog all the upstream (or downstream), thus blocking internet access (or making access very slow) for all the other users. I have considered using wondershaper, but it seems it is a dead project (last update in 2002). What would you suggest? |
| 12:54.04 | tdn | Router is running Lenny. |
| 12:54.19 | amee2k | for some really strange reason the retard amee2k managed to stumble across backports.org on its own already |
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| 12:54.52 | amee2k | other than that, reading the same factoids over and over again doesn't tell me anything new... |
| 12:55.13 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Why do you discourage him so badly to upgrade his personal computer to squeeze? |
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| 12:56.17 | amee2k | i still don't see the diff besides that i get by without upgrading libs, and i'm wondering about official support (because iirc during the 3.x times that was somewhat of a debate) |
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| 12:57.18 | amee2k | and i'm sorry that i didn't keep up with the lingo while i was away... |
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| 12:57.55 | babilen | amee2k: Do *not* feel bad about that. Welcome back to Debian. We are just trying to make you experience as pleasant as it could be. |
| 12:58.12 | babilen | s/you experience/your experience/ |
| 12:58.35 | amee2k | o.O |
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| 12:59.56 | babilen | amee2k: The main problem with squeeze is that it is a moving release and new (possibly buggy) packages migrate into it from unstable iff a sid user has not filed a serious bug against the package in a given time |
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| 13:02.18 | amee2k | well, i kinda figured that. in fact, i'm only really interrested in getting some decent versions, and not really in how exactly i can accomplish that remarkable feat |
| 13:02.40 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: anyone who doesn't know how to upgrade to squeeze without asking - shouldn't ;) |
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| 13:03.17 | amee2k | so backports or testing is kinda the same. what is rather annoying is that i'm not getting any answers if i'm in fact more of a noob than i anticipated |
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| 13:03.36 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: honestly - backports and "simple sid backports" (building your own backport) are the best ways for you |
| 13:03.58 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: backports and testing are seriously *not* the same |
| 13:04.29 | amee2k | well, that much i figured from the name >_> |
| 13:05.15 | amee2k | i'm still wondering in what way however. i mean, if new stuff is really that buggy, what difference does it make? |
| 13:05.16 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: then don;t make statements on here like " amee2k> so backports or testing is kinda the same" |
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| 13:05.59 | amee2k | well, it would kinda be the same for my purpose if it can do what i need |
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| 13:06.26 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: read the release notes. You appear to want newer versons of packages - not a newer and potentially crashy version of the OS |
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| 13:07.04 | amee2k | i gather bugs are in packages. wouldn't i get the new bugs with the new packages? |
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| 13:07.10 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: you have mentioned nothing apart from wanting a newer version of network installer |
| 13:07.51 | amee2k | ? |
| 13:07.51 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: no - in squeeze the bugs are in the OS |
| 13:08.25 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Granted, but how is a user that has used debian and ubuntu for >= 2 years expected to learn how to upgrade/administer a system like that? |
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| 13:09.01 | amee2k | okay |
| 13:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: you can hold his hand then |
| 13:09.27 | TrueDD_ | Hi all |
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| 13:10.38 | amee2k | ... |
| 13:10.54 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: I've been using debian for 10+ years and I use stable with backports ;) |
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| 13:11.08 | amee2k | jpinx-eeepc: could you please get on a plane and fly over here to add that deb line for backports to my sources.list? |
| 13:11.12 | amee2k | i'd really appreciate it... |
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| 13:11.29 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: have you looked in backports.org ? |
| 13:11.35 | amee2k | i'm still looking |
| 13:11.46 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: all the info you need is there |
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| 13:18.23 | amee2k | erm, what did i miss? |
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| 13:22.16 | jelly | amee2k: backports.org only brings newer versions of certain packages. Which software do you require newer versions of? |
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| 13:22.36 | amee2k | all of it? |
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| 13:23.08 | jelly | why? |
| 13:23.13 | Titan8990 | amee2k, debian is a distro that values stability over bleeding edge software |
| 13:23.27 | Titan8990 | amee2k, if your goal is bleeding edge software, debian was not the right choice |
| 13:23.31 | jelly | amee2k: what are you going to use the machine for? |
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| 13:24.29 | jpinx-eeepc | amee2k: I asked you forwhat you wanted ages ago |
| 13:24.35 | jpinx-eeepc | stop wasting peoples time here |
| 13:24.35 | amee2k | jelly: its my poc good for everything-ish laptop so just about anything |
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| 13:24.56 | amee2k | ... |
| 13:25.13 | jelly | amee2k: let me put it this way: what does not work whn you install debian stable/ |
| 13:25.13 | jelly | ? |
| 13:25.27 | amee2k | i didn't really get to inspect the installed versions when i noticed networkmanager |
| 13:26.06 | amee2k | what didn't work there was um... everything besides wlan, and that didn't really either |
| 13:26.27 | ranix | 07:49 < amee2k> this mildly sucks because i could really use some more current versions |
| 13:26.36 | ranix | more current versions of exactly what |
| 13:26.50 | jymm | amee2k: It really soundslike you might be better off using ubuntu than debian. |
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| 13:27.20 | amee2k | i'd keep it anyway if it didn't get so smelly under the skirt lately... |
| 13:28.14 | jymm | amee2k: then do use a favor, and quit whining about debian, it's really not appreciated. |
| 13:28.15 | father_marc | You better not use sexist comments... |
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| 13:28.20 | jymm | s/use/us/ |
| 13:28.28 | father_marc | is tired of hearing about that stuff in the LX community. |
| 13:28.42 | ranix | shut up father_marc |
| 13:28.46 | father_marc | ;) |
| 13:28.47 | fredl | LX? |
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| 13:29.22 | fredl | ah that way. |
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| 13:29.59 | Araneidae | What package(s) do I need to install to get man pages for libc? |
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| 13:30.22 | Araneidae | Thought build-dep for something big would to the trick, but no such luck |
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| 13:31.23 | babilen | Araneidae: manpages-dev. I problem easily solved with "aptitude search manpage" ;-) |
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| 13:31.58 | Titan8990 | They may be in the non-free repos |
| 13:32.02 | Araneidae | Sure, you searched for the right thing. I just tried installing glibc-doc, bu didn't do the trick... |
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| 13:32.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Araneidae: what version are you running? |
| 13:33.18 | Araneidae | /etc/debian_version says 5.0.3 |
| 13:33.39 | Araneidae | aptitude search manpages doesn't show manpages-dev, but it's there; I'll try installing that |
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| 13:33.49 | Araneidae | Oh. Yes it doe! |
| 13:34.12 | Araneidae | That's better! |
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| 13:36.51 | babilen | Titan8990: manpages-dev in non-free? |
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| 13:38.46 | Araneidae | Seems somewhat improbable! |
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| 13:39.46 | Titan8990 | babilen, all the gnu docs are |
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| 13:40.55 | babilen | Titan8990: manpages-dev is not in non-free .. |
| 13:41.37 | Titan8990 | i see that, must not be gnu licensed |
| 13:42.03 | Titan8990 | "This documentation is licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, and contains invariant sections, so it can't be part of Debian main." |
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| 13:42.18 | Titan8990 | wish i remembered the bot command |
| 13:42.30 | babilen | Titan8990: yes, the great debate about invariant sections. :-( |
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| 13:45.12 | babilen | Titan8990: Are you talking about glibc-doc-reference? |
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| 13:45.57 | jonasfa | is it possible to enable universe repository from a shell script? i'm running ubuntu |
| 13:46.31 | Titan8990 | babilen, there is a command for the dpkg bot here so he will give more info on why exactly the gnu docs don't fit in to the dfsg |
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| 13:48.12 | babilen | Titan8990: Ah, that would be nice to know. |
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| 13:50.32 | Araneidae | What's the issue about "invariant sections" and Debian main? |
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| 13:51.36 | Der_Trolly | MAUL HALTEN! |
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| 13:51.42 | Araneidae | googles and goggles slightly |
| 13:51.43 | Der_Trolly | KLAPPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!V |
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| 13:55.31 | ONE_PATE | hi |
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| 13:55.44 | ONE_PATE | do you know the package name of php_mod |
| 13:55.51 | ONE_PATE | ind apt-get |
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| 13:56.53 | et | aptitude search php |
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| 13:57.48 | Titan8990 | libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 14:07.31 | Kobaz | i'm not saying it can't do it |
| 14:07.32 | Kobaz | er |
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| 14:18.23 | g00se | I've tried loads of quoting combos but the following won't work. what would? sudo updatedb .... '--prunepaths="/delme/tmp/Program Files"' |
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| 14:40.41 | uzi18 | hi all |
| 14:40.50 | uzi18 | is there pkg-config in debian? |
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| 14:41.11 | radoe | uzi18: sure, just install it. |
| 14:41.37 | uzi18 | radoe: could You check something for me |
| 14:41.37 | uzi18 | ? |
| 14:41.37 | harobed | hi, on debian server (without Gnome…) what can I install to auto mount usb hdd ? |
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| 14:42.11 | Titan8990 | harobed, debian server? |
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| 14:42.32 | uzi18 | radoe: phonon devel pkg has got phonon.pc file inside? and what id it content |
| 14:42.33 | harobed | Titan8990: yes, without gui |
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| 14:43.14 | radoe | uzi18: why don't you check yourself? |
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| 14:44.11 | uzi18 | radoe: i have no debian, i'm dev of different distro but writing application and want wknow if there will not be any problems |
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| 14:44.20 | Titan8990 | harobed, autofs maybe |
| 14:44.39 | splash | hello, how can I install java on debian lenny for iceweasel? |
| 14:44.43 | splash | ops |
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| 14:44.48 | crashanddie | hi everyone, I'm trying to install bugzilla on a brand new system, I just did a aptitude install bugzilla3, the install completed, but I can't seem to access it through localhost/bugzilla. Also, the apache sites configuration doesn't contain any reference to bugzilla |
| 14:44.56 | radoe | uzi18: according to packages.debian.org libphonon-dev contains /usr/lib/pkgconfig/phonon.pc |
| 14:44.59 | harobed | Titan8990: autofs or autofs5 ? |
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| 14:45.25 | Titan8990 | harobed, no idea |
| 14:45.35 | uzi18 | radoe: thx and what is the content of this file ? |
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| 14:46.08 | Pryon | splash: 'apt-cache search java plugin' should give a list of packages, one of which is the one you want |
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| 14:47.48 | radoe | uzi18: for which release? |
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| 14:52.38 | uzi18 | radoe: as new as possilbe, becouse i know about some patches in debian |
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| 14:53.27 | enmerkar | uzi18: you can download the packages form packages.debian.org and ar x them |
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| 14:54.17 | uzi18 | enmerkar: nice:) and how to unpack, this ? |
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| 14:54.50 | enmerkar | uzi18: ar |
| 14:56.08 | crashanddie | anyone got any idea about bugzilla installation issues? |
| 14:56.08 | enmerkar | !tell crashanddie about errors |
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| 14:56.16 | crashanddie | !learn about scrolling up |
| 14:56.17 | dpkg | smacks about scrolling up over the head with a 20 lbs thesaurus. |
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| 14:56.34 | crashanddie | I'm trying to install bugzilla on a brand new system, I just did a aptitude install bugzilla3, the install completed, but I can't seem to access it through localhost/bugzilla. Also, the apache sites configuration doesn't contain any reference to bugzilla |
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| 14:57.46 | enmerkar | crashanddie: try /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 14:58.52 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:00.38 | sebastiano63 | ciao a tutti |
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| 15:05.53 | MaDSeN | hi guys.. how is one can kill a screen ? e.g. 2933.tty1.entmoot |
| 15:06.27 | uzi18 | thx guys! |
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| 15:27.18 | libertad0 | Good evening. Friends have long been developing an application for children or people without Internet access wishing to visit wikipedia (free content). Our project is called kiwix. He wanted to know if this can be included in the list of debian packages and, if possible, to help us create a deb package. Thank you very much |
| 15:27.28 | libertad0 | www.kiwix.org |
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| 15:27.48 | libertad0 | It's is a gnu project and the source is here https://sourceforge.net/projects/kiwix/files/ |
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| 15:29.03 | d1b | !packaging |
| 15:29.04 | dpkg | i heard packaging is covered nicely at http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 15:29.15 | d1b | erh ignore that. |
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| 15:31.48 | libertad0 | d1b: thanks |
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| 15:33.25 | fmauNeko | hello |
| 15:33.44 | fmauNeko | i have problems with ipv6 under debian squeeze |
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| 15:34.01 | Shockcore | checking for hsregex.h... no |
| 15:34.01 | Shockcore | checking for strlcpy... no |
| 15:34.09 | Shockcore | what are the package names for those libs? |
| 15:34.21 | valdyn | !tell Shockcore -about search |
| 15:34.37 | libertad0 | Shockcore: kiwix |
| 15:35.14 | libertad0 | Shockcore: the project name is kiwix |
| 15:35.23 | libertad0 | Shockcore: Thanks for your help |
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| 15:35.45 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 15:35.45 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 15:35.54 | valdyn | libertad0: ^^ |
| 15:35.58 | Shockcore | i did searhc |
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| 15:36.13 | libertad0 | valdyn: :P |
| 15:36.19 | valdyn | Shockcore: hsregex.h is appearantly not in debian |
| 15:36.20 | anykey | hello. I need to have a filesystem that's replicating to two machines, in such a way that at each time, two machines have the same data on a partition. Does such a thing exist? |
| 15:36.20 | libertad0 | valdyn: Kiwix is an offline reader for multimedia contents. It's especially thought to make Wikipedia available offline |
| 15:36.34 | libertad0 | thanks you boys |
| 15:36.42 | Shockcore | libbsd-dev - utility functions from BSD systems - development files |
| 15:36.48 | Shockcore | thats what came up for strlcpy |
| 15:36.52 | Shockcore | which i did install |
| 15:37.24 | valdyn | Shockcore: you should follow the readme shipped with whatever you are trying to compile |
| 15:37.43 | valdyn | Shockcore: the configure options do not all have to be answered "yes" |
| 15:37.56 | Shockcore | i know |
| 15:38.05 | Shockcore | but strlcpy is a good function for long strings |
| 15:38.19 | valdyn | Shockcore: so? |
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| 15:39.08 | elops | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.13 | elops | I click Desktop effects and it went through |
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| 15:39.18 | elops | I enabled it and my system crashed |
| 15:39.19 | Titan8990 | isn't that the function that commonly has issues with creating buffer overflow vulnerabilities? |
| 15:39.24 | elops | ideas? |
| 15:39.28 | elops | sadly I'm unable to enable TwinView |
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| 15:40.03 | valdyn | Shockcore: theres no much point in using strlcopy on linux, because its not supported by libc6 |
| 15:40.38 | elops | folks? |
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| 15:42.01 | Shockcore | i see |
| 15:42.03 | Shockcore | ok then hehe |
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| 15:43.33 | Kalisto_ | hey guys maybe someone can help me out. How do I get around having to type dmraid -ay then Ctrl-D in busy box when I try to boot ubunut? im running a nvidia fakeraid |
| 15:44.02 | valdyn | Kalisto_: this is not a support channel for ubuntu |
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| 15:44.38 | Kalisto_ | I did not say I was using ubuntu. |
| 15:44.38 | Kalisto_ | I ask in Debian based channels |
| 15:44.58 | valdyn | Kalisto_: true, you said ubunut |
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| 15:45.00 | Kalisto_ | oops i guess i did |
| 15:45.06 | Kalisto_ | sorry |
| 15:46.04 | Shockcore | valdyn just a last question where is it possible to change the whole system language, when i installed it at first i putted french, but now if i use securecrt to connect via ssh i see always weird chars... so i'd like to go back to english anyway |
| 15:46.07 | Kalisto_ | am i wrong to assume that the basics of this should be the same for ubuntu and debian |
| 15:46.16 | valdyn | !locales |
| 15:46.16 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 15:46.20 | valdyn | Shockcore: ^^ |
| 15:46.43 | valdyn | Kalisto_: we dont know |
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| 15:50.16 | Shockcore | thanks vader-- |
| 15:50.18 | Shockcore | thanks valdyn |
| 15:50.19 | Shockcore | :P |
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| 15:51.11 | Shockcore | i remember the LANG=C trick |
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| 15:51.46 | Shockcore | if i put LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 default i still get wierd chars in man pages. if i put LANG=C its all ok. Why so? |
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| 15:52.13 | Benwa | Hi, i've got a problem with samba on my debian server. Linux can see the shared files without any pass. Mac ask a user and a password. Wiiindows caanot connect to the shared folders. Any idea? Do i paste my smb.conf? |
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| 15:56.57 | anykey | does anyone know how to have disk mirroring with realtime sync other than drbd |
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| 16:01.54 | Maulkin | anykey: Use RAID? |
| 16:04.43 | valdyn | !gfs |
| 16:04.43 | dpkg | i guess gfs is The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ or http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System |
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| 16:05.38 | valdyn | !oraclefs |
| 16:05.41 | valdyn | !ofs |
| 16:05.43 | valdyn | oo |
| 16:05.59 | valdyn | anykey: theres gfs, oracle fs , pohmelfs (sp?) |
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| 16:06.53 | valdyn | ah, and google fs |
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| 16:11.37 | andrewfree | Is there a reason that debain creates a debain.cnf and no my.cnf when I installed mysql-server? |
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| 16:12.29 | andrewfree | I got this error http://pastebin.com/m6e66fa9f and my debain.cnf looks exactly like my my.cnf looked before I purged and reinstalled everything so I created a symlink to debian.cnf so I would not get the my.cnf missing error. |
| 16:12.47 | Morten_ | Hey, I just installed grub 2, and now im getting Error 15 - and it should be possible to fixed by changing something in the menu.lst - But I can't see what to change :( |
| 16:12.51 | Morten_ | Can anyone help me out? |
| 16:13.05 | valdyn | Morten_: grub2 does not use menu.lst |
| 16:13.43 | Morten_ | Okay - my bad. But do you know how to help me? |
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| 16:14.32 | valdyn | anykey: debian does ship my.cnf |
| 16:14.40 | Morten_ | I ran the grub-upgrade .. but after that I can't get the grub menu to display |
| 16:15.05 | valdyn | andrewfree: ^^ |
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| 16:15.26 | andrewfree | hmm thats odd it was not there. But I have a symlink so I should be ok, right? |
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| 16:16.29 | Pnux | hey guys, is there a way to run non daemon apps on start up? |
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| 16:20.33 | anykey | Maulkin: two different machines. |
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| 16:20.56 | anykey | valdyn: I use ocfs2 right now in conjunction with drbd, and give that a try |
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| 16:22.15 | AppDeb | Guys a question, I am building a server machine with lenny but the stable (.26) kernel seems to have problems with the ethernet card. Using the backports 2.6.30 kernel all the ethernet driver issues are fixed. Am I going to expect other problems for using a backports kernel? It is the recommended kernel in case the stable one doesn't work? Anyone has any experience with backports kernel stability? Thanks |
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| 16:23.18 | dutchfish | AppDeb, the backported kernel is pretty good in situ replacement, what drivers are you talking about? |
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| 16:24.45 | AppDeb | dutchfish: r8169 driver.. the fix that I am looking into was applied upstream on the .27 kernel and it is not going to be backported (reading from some mailing lists) |
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| 16:26.04 | dutchfish | AppDeb, yes, had hassled with that one myself, you can use the 2.6.30.x latest form backports, they also get sec. fixes, if i am correct |
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| 16:27.03 | dutchfish | AppDeb, at least its more safe the compiling your own |
| 16:27.11 | dutchfish | s/the/then |
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| 16:28.11 | AppDeb | dutchfish: ok, I hope it works well because I don't want to switch distro. btw the backports repo has 2 versions of the 2.6.30 kernel. a bpo.1 that is also provided by the linux-amd64 metapackage, but also a bpo.2 that is not provided by any other metapackage. which one am I supposed to use? |
| 16:28.25 | zxcv | Does anyone know if it's possible to enable ssh, on a pxe boot of the installer? I will not have access to the console. Thanks. |
| 16:28.56 | dutchfish | AppDeb, the latest ie bpo.2 |
| 16:29.18 | riot | anyone familiar with python-apt? How do i get the source of a package? |
| 16:29.21 | AppDeb | dutchfish: but why linux-image-2.6-amd64 provides bpo.2? |
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| 16:29.34 | Olivius67 | Hi All |
| 16:29.45 | dutchfish | AppDeb, it sby convention that the lesser version are still there |
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| 16:30.26 | dutchfish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.03 | dutchfish | AppDeb, contrary main, wich have a virtual package wich auto pulls in newer |
| 16:31.11 | dutchfish | s/have/has |
| 16:31.26 | dutchfish | unless the fix is sec. related |
| 16:31.32 | AppDeb | dutchfish: if it is supposed to work that way, why that meta-package also exists in backports? |
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| 16:31.55 | dutchfish | AppDeb, you can choose to have the newest byt that way or a specific one |
| 16:32.08 | Olivius67 | I 'm curently using vsftpd on a production server, I would like to install proftpd for setup that requires more fine tuning, however when apt-get install proftpd-mysql, it wants to unistall vsftpd first, does anyone knows how could install proftpd whithout removing vsftpd which is curently in use? |
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| 16:32.17 | dutchfish | AppDeb, the meta provides latest, for that repo |
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| 16:32.40 | AppDeb | dutchfish: yes but in backports it doesn't provide the latest, thats why i ask |
| 16:32.53 | dutchfish | AppDeb, yes, correct |
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| 16:33.28 | dutchfish | AppDeb, until they decide that because of sec. issues it would be neccesary, the the meta also updates to a newer |
| 16:33.41 | dutchfish | s/the/then |
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| 16:34.35 | Olivius67 | nobody? |
| 16:34.43 | dutchfish | AppDeb, by that mechnism you wont get a wacky kernel from backports by accident |
| 16:34.49 | AppDeb | dutchfish: so it is not bad to stay with the meta for now? it is going to be updated when ready? |
| 16:35.40 | Pnux | hey guys, im trying to start pidgin on start up. Found something on the web that says that i have to add the executable in an rc folder. Where do i have to put the symlinkm in /etc/rc5.d or in /etc/rc.local? |
| 16:35.41 | dutchfish | AppDeb, nope, but i rather stick to a specific choosen kernel in production systems, instead of being updates by surprise, unless there is a graving security issue |
| 16:36.12 | dutchfish | AppDeb, thats why i not choose the meta when i use backports |
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| 16:36.37 | dutchfish | AppDeb, but its your own decision |
| 16:36.50 | AppDeb | dutchfish: ok got it, the meta may become .31 for example in the future and problems may arise |
| 16:36.57 | dutchfish | bingo |
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| 16:37.20 | AppDeb | dutchfish: do I need anything else expect from the linux-image? |
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| 16:38.30 | dutchfish | AppDeb, not really if this is a production system, as a safety net check if /boot/initrd-foo is created and that /boot/grub/menu.lst holds the new kernel, that way your system will boot ;) |
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| 16:39.07 | dutchfish | AppDeb, always examine your logs too ;) |
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| 16:39.32 | dutchfish | AppDeb, syslog dmesg as a starter |
| 16:39.43 | boxxertrumps | when copying block devices, does cp strip out empty space? |
| 16:39.45 | AppDeb | dutchfish: yes everything is ok, the machine is in the bpo kernel right now. I hope there arent any problems with that choice |
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| 16:40.19 | morpheuss | Do we have installers apart ubiquity which works great with debian based distros ? |
| 16:40.19 | boxxertrumps | i was copying a 25gb partiition but the image is only 5 or so |
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| 16:40.19 | dutchfish | AppDeb, if you dont have exotic hardware , that will work out fine |
| 16:40.47 | dutchfish | AppDeb, again always check logs |
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| 16:42.35 | AppDeb | dutchfish: yes everything works fine, I hope it will cause else I will have to which to gentoo :P, it better work :) |
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| 16:42.51 | nick_sa_mere | yo |
| 16:43.15 | nick_sa_mere | i've been having this dumb issue trying to upgrade from etch => lenny |
| 16:43.29 | nick_sa_mere | basically it comes down to "cannot remove file" |
| 16:43.48 | nick_sa_mere | and the file is "/usr/sbin/sshd" and "/usr/bin/ssh" |
| 16:44.02 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: give us the actual complete error message |
| 16:44.05 | nick_sa_mere | i stopped sshd and tested, lsof sshd is clean |
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| 16:44.17 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: the error message is in french :/ |
| 16:44.24 | XThief | when installing a .deb package, with "dpkg -i" i get dependecies error, how can i install them automatically? |
| 16:44.29 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: prefix your command wiht LANG=C |
| 16:44.29 | smurf_killer | hehe |
| 16:44.30 | morpheuss | do we have light weight installers besides debian installer ? |
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| 16:44.35 | nick_sa_mere | rm: ne peut enlever `sshd': Opération non permise |
| 16:44.43 | valdyn | morpheuss: debootstrap |
| 16:44.45 | nick_sa_mere | (of course i am working as root) |
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| 16:45.00 | Ghost-r | which package has ps,top file ? |
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| 16:45.15 | smurf_killer | can not remove `sshd ': Operation not permitted |
| 16:45.23 | nick_sa_mere | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-client_1%3a5.1p1-5_i386.deb (--unpack) : impossible de créer un lien symbolique de secours de « ./usr/bin/ssh » avant d'installer une nouvelle version: Opération non permis |
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| 16:45.29 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: lsattr /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 16:45.32 | hipodilski | I have a really weird problem with my debian |
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| 16:45.39 | hipodilski | my external kbd is not working correctly |
| 16:45.40 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: again: prefix your command with LANG=C |
| 16:45.45 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: -u--ia------------- sshd |
| 16:45.48 | dutchfish | XThief, not, unless, you are willing to pay the price of a mix system or accidental dist-upgrade |
| 16:45.49 | hipodilski | some keys are not working |
| 16:45.55 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: who broke that? |
| 16:45.55 | hipodilski | I'm running debian unstable |
| 16:46.02 | hipodilski | the kbd is an usb keyboard |
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| 16:46.13 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: who made sshd immutable? |
| 16:46.17 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: i'm not sure.. . |
| 16:46.22 | nick_sa_mere | normally nobody |
| 16:46.25 | hipodilski | somebody got any idea where to look for a fid and what might cause that odd behavior? |
| 16:46.28 | XThief | dutchfish: so i have to do it manually? |
| 16:46.32 | nick_sa_mere | (thanks for the lang=c \o/) |
| 16:46.33 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: chattr -i /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 16:46.41 | dutchfish | XThief, in short do it manually, if it is possible |
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| 16:46.53 | hipodilski | what makes it even more weird is that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:46.59 | XThief | dutchfish: using the apt-get install ? |
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| 16:47.26 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_1%3a5.1p1-5_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./usr/sbin/sshd' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
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| 16:47.29 | dutchfish | XThief, i am afraid that wont work, prolly the missing ones arent in you repo either |
| 16:47.47 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: maybe alot on your system is flagged immutable |
| 16:47.47 | nick_sa_mere | i still get the error, and lsattr sshd |
| 16:47.48 | nick_sa_mere | -u---a------------- sshd |
| 16:47.49 | dutchfish | XThief, you can try, but watch the versions carefully |
| 16:47.54 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: time to fire the admin who did this |
| 16:48.05 | nick_sa_mere | fires himself |
| 16:48.28 | nick_sa_mere | i'm the only admin, the other who does have the password doesn't know how to do things |
| 16:48.32 | valdyn | nick_sa_mere: read the chattr manpage for further instructions |
| 16:48.40 | nick_sa_mere | i've never run into this before :/ |
| 16:48.44 | nick_sa_mere | okay valdyn |
| 16:48.53 | XThief | dutchfish: well i got it working by using apt-get -f install, the problem is that it automatically installs also the newest version of the program, and i wanted to use a older version, i have it in .deb |
| 16:49.01 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: thanks alot for this help :]] |
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| 16:49.15 | dutchfish | XThief, ok |
| 16:49.23 | nick_sa_mere | later |
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| 16:49.51 | dutchfish | !tell Xthief about hold |
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| 16:49.56 | dutchfish | !tell Xthief about pinning |
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| 16:50.16 | XThief | oh thanks dutchfish |
| 16:50.22 | dutchfish | XThief, yw |
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| 16:50.39 | Pnux | hey guys, im trying to start pidgin on start up. Found something on the web that says that i have to add the executable in an rc folder. Where do i have to put the symlinkm in /etc/rc5.d or in /etc/rc.local? |
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| 16:52.06 | dutchfish | XThief, downgrading a package might have not so wanted side effects, just to warn you |
| 16:52.15 | dutchfish | XThief, it depends on the package |
| 16:52.25 | XThief | dutchfish: i will remove it and install it again |
| 16:52.47 | XThief | dutchfish: thx for the warning |
| 16:53.01 | valdyn | Pnux: that wrong |
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| 16:53.19 | valdyn | Pnux: you certain do not ever put an app like pidgin into an rc folder |
| 16:53.27 | Olivius67 | Does anyone knows how can I "apt-get install proftpd-mysql" whithout removing vsftpd? |
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| 16:53.37 | niklaswe | does someone has any good sources.list to share? |
| 16:53.50 | Pnux | valdyn: so rc is for daemons only.. is there any way to achieve this? |
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| 16:54.07 | valdyn | Pnux: start it, run gnome-session-save, done |
| 16:54.20 | Pnux | valdyn: withou any display manager |
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| 16:54.26 | Pnux | *without |
| 16:54.37 | valdyn | Pnux: you want to run X without a window manager? |
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| 16:55.09 | valdyn | Pnux: pidgin does not run without X |
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| 16:55.30 | lumis | Hey, my college network uses a proxy/firewall to block all outgoing traffic on any port except 80 and 443. I can't change the SSH server port to 80 as it's already in use. Is there a way I can (using Putty client-side) connect over the HTTP(S) protocol, through the college's proxy/firewall to my remote machine, possibly using Apache on the server? I've been googling, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for, if that makes sense. |
| 16:55.33 | dutchfish | niklaswe, you want to install bothvsftpd and proftpd on a machine ???? |
| 16:55.52 | Pnux | valdyn: i mean.. without gnome or any other manager sessions |
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| 16:56.09 | niklaswe | dutchfish: no, i need a good one for mu eee-pc |
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| 16:56.25 | valdyn | Pnux: then ~/.xsession |
| 16:56.32 | dutchfish | Niklas-, define "good one" please |
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| 16:56.39 | niklaswe | i dont have internet on it when i installed it so i didn't get any good sources.list |
| 16:56.40 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 16:56.40 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 16:57.09 | Olivius67 | does anyone can help me? |
| 16:57.17 | XThief | dutchfish: how i use that hold command for multiple package? |
| 16:57.23 | Pnux | valdyn: ill check that out, thanks |
| 16:57.41 | Pnux | Olivius67: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 16:58.47 | Olivius67 | Pnux: thx for answering, I'm more into gentoo, but I need to setup this debian box with proftpd, could you give me more precisions? |
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| 17:00.01 | Olivius67 | Pnux: you were requesting me to private msg you the output of apt when I try to install proftpd .. am I right? |
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| 17:00.09 | nick_sa_mere | valdyn: thanks for your help, that put me on the right track. :] apparantly this ressembles a known "issue" |
| 17:00.10 | dutchfish | XThief, you will be better of to only to hold that one you need, not its dependecies |
| 17:00.12 | nick_sa_mere | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=160255&sid=35973ec4f729f2a10145c953aea568f6 |
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| 17:00.41 | Pnux | Olivius67: actually i was telling you not to ask to ask |
| 17:00.51 | nick_sa_mere | i had to chattr a few files, i suspect that the dedicated server provider put "bastard-ware" or something |
| 17:01.08 | XThief | dutchfish: but i want to install the dependencies so later i can dpkg -i the .deb file |
| 17:01.13 | dutchfish | XThief, if it is possible, that is |
| 17:01.36 | Pnux | Olivius67: use pastebin.com to paste the output of apt and then paste the link here |
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| 17:01.44 | dutchfish | XThief, tell me what packge it is |
| 17:02.07 | XThief | dutchfish: im using this command to try to install the .deb sudo dpkg -i deluge-torrent_1.0.7-1_i386.lenny.deb |
| 17:02.38 | XThief | dutchfish: but i get some errors telling me "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of deluge-torrent:" |
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| 17:02.48 | mederEsite | what package contains 'dig'? |
| 17:02.59 | mederEsite | i remember it was something like -tools or sys-tools or utilities |
| 17:03.07 | dutchfish | XThief, and you are on lenny? |
| 17:03.12 | hark | mederEsite: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:03.21 | XThief | dutchfish: for example one of the dependencies is this: deluge-torrent depends on libboost-date-time1.34.1 (>= 1.34.1-8); however: |
| 17:03.21 | XThief | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.22 | Olivius67 | Pnux: here we go: http://pastebin.ca/1601851 |
| 17:03.27 | XThief | dutchfish: yes |
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| 17:03.51 | dutchfish | XThief, get the source and build your own, would be a far better approach |
| 17:04.22 | XThief | dutchfish: im new at debian, i guess thats a hard way, right? |
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| 17:05.03 | dutchfish | XThief, then stick with the multitud eof choices you have already for a torrent client in the repo |
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| 17:05.10 | Olivius67 | Pnux: the problem is that vsftp is curently in use on the server, I'm planning on seting proftpd on a different port the time for me to config everything |
| 17:05.12 | hark | XThief: try doing an apt-get install -f |
| 17:05.32 | dutchfish | XThief, it not hard, but it takes quiet some time to do/learn |
| 17:05.46 | Pnux | Olivius67: pastebin isnt loading for me |
| 17:06.01 | dutchfish | XThief, not something to start with ;) |
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| 17:06.16 | hark | Olivius67: they conflict, you won't be able to do that |
| 17:06.27 | Olivius67 | psatebin.com is not respoding for me, .ca does, let me find another one |
| 17:06.28 | XThief | hark: i tried that, but installs another version of the program, and i wanted the one in the .deb |
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| 17:06.42 | XThief | dutchfish: you know where i can find information about that? |
| 17:06.47 | dutchfish | XThief, just aptitude search torrent , and pick your chocie |
| 17:07.04 | Olivius67 | Pnux: http://pastebin.fr/5737 |
| 17:07.06 | dutchfish | XThief, yes, the debian new maintainer guide |
| 17:07.09 | XThief | dutchfish: the problem is that the tracker im working with only supports this version |
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| 17:07.20 | dutchfish | XThief, mm... ic |
| 17:07.33 | XThief | dutchfish: thats why i needed the version in the .deb |
| 17:07.33 | hark | XThief: you have to get the dependencies as well then |
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| 17:07.47 | dutchfish | XThief, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:07.53 | XThief | dutchfish: the weird thing is that i had the program installed before... i removed it, and now i get this.... |
| 17:07.59 | Pnux | Olivius67: what does 'aptitude why-not proftpd' say? |
| 17:08.11 | XThief | dutchfish: k thx |
| 17:08.14 | dutchfish | XThief, are you sure you are on lenny, and not mixed? |
| 17:08.18 | jelly | hides his Xs |
| 17:08.24 | XThief | dutchfish: no xD |
| 17:08.40 | XThief | dutchfish: im not sure, i installed lenny but maybe now im mixed xDD |
| 17:08.40 | jelly | XThief: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 ? |
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| 17:08.50 | dutchfish | XThief, you could paste you /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin |
| 17:09.04 | XThief | dutchfish: ok, just a second |
| 17:09.05 | dutchfish | !tell XThief about paste |
| 17:09.10 | XThief | jelly: what does that do? |
| 17:09.26 | Olivius67 | Pnux: # aptitude why-not proftpd |
| 17:09.26 | Olivius67 | Unknown command "why-not" |
| 17:09.30 | jelly | it tells you (and us if you paste) the version of libc6 package |
| 17:09.46 | dutchfish | jelly, good idee |
| 17:10.07 | XThief | dutchfish: http://pastebin.org/38736 |
| 17:10.31 | XThief | jelly: ii libc6 2.9-23 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 17:10.48 | dutchfish | XThief, mm.. funny line sin it |
| 17:11.24 | jelly | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free # you're on sid, XThief |
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| 17:11.42 | XThief | jelly: on sid? |
| 17:11.43 | jelly | game over man, game over!! |
| 17:11.52 | dutchfish | nods |
| 17:11.53 | jelly | XThief: sid, or debian unstable. |
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| 17:12.10 | Pnux | Olivius67: thats weird, it works perfectly for me.. |
| 17:12.10 | XThief | jelly: oh, how can i go back? |
| 17:12.17 | jelly | XThief: basically, reinstall |
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| 17:12.40 | XThief | jelly: so i never have to put unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:12.43 | XThief | right? |
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| 17:13.28 | jelly | XThief: right |
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| 17:14.01 | jelly | XThief: (or testing, or any repo not explicitly made for current stable) |
| 17:14.25 | XThief | jelly i see... now will be hard to install everything, i have so many things |
| 17:14.47 | dutchfish | mumbles about backup |
| 17:14.56 | XThief | jelly: and if i take that line out of the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 17:15.23 | jelly | XThief: you have already installed packages from unstable, so it's a bit too late. |
| 17:15.33 | XThief | oh |
| 17:16.40 | jelly | XThief: if you only installed a single package since putting in that line, the system may be salvageable. If you've done installs and upgrades, you have lots of sid packages now. |
| 17:16.44 | jpinx-eeepc | XThief: if you can remember the packages you can purge themg |
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| 17:17.03 | XThief | I used apt-get update |
| 17:17.07 | XThief | so i guess updates all, right? |
| 17:17.10 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: he also has to downgrade all the dependencies that were pulled in |
| 17:17.22 | Pnux | XThief: updates the list, not the programs |
| 17:17.29 | XThief | oh |
| 17:17.43 | XThief | well but i dont remember what i installed |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | XThief: you've done more than that, since you seem to have libc6 from unstable installed |
| 17:17.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Eeeewww -- it's b0rked |
| 17:18.06 | Tired | wasn't there an aptitude line to see which packages are from which repro? |
| 17:18.11 | jelly | XThief: then if you want to have a debian stable again, the simplest thing is to reinstall |
| 17:18.16 | XThief | yeah... i get tutorials from the internet so i dont pay a lot of attention |
| 17:18.31 | Tired | right... if libc6 is updated there's no downgrade |
| 17:19.01 | jelly | XThief: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" can help with keeping the same set of installed packages when you reinstall |
| 17:19.03 | Tired | XThief, well... what do you expect... you use a chainsaw and don't pay attention, you lose your leg... consider yourself lucky, it's only software |
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| 17:19.13 | NoCode | I love how Debian Squeeze upated daily. <3 |
| 17:19.17 | dutchfish | XThief, its a bit late, but for the next time use mapages, debian.org or ask, dont believe the whole internet |
| 17:19.19 | NoCode | updates* |
| 17:19.27 | dutchfish | s/ampages/manpages |
| 17:19.36 | XThief | dutchfish: yeah, this time I learned xD |
| 17:19.42 | Tired | dutchfish, are you saying someone on the internet might be WRONG?!?! |
| 17:19.50 | Tired | shocking |
| 17:19.54 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 17:19.56 | NoCode | whoops |
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| 17:20.57 | XThief | is there any way to save the configurations i made to apache / bind so i can export to the reinstall? |
| 17:21.13 | jpinx-eeepc | NoCode: you'll regret it when you find a daily that's not working :p |
| 17:21.23 | dutchfish | XThief, sure, it are after all just flat files |
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| 17:21.37 | sadasdasdasdasda | is ut posseble to use rsync to sync some folders from my windows machine to my linux machine? |
| 17:21.39 | dutchfish | XThief, but DONT reuse them blindly |
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| 17:22.08 | crashanddie | Hi, I just installed Debian 5 using LVM. The installer only added one HD to the LVM group, so I added another, and then after installing a bunch of stuff, decided to reboot. Now I'm getting mount: Mounting /dev/mapper/thunderbluff-root on /root failed: no such device during boot |
| 17:22.20 | XThief | well i better reconfigure them |
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| 17:22.57 | NoCode | jpinx-eeepc, That'll be the time when I cry. :o |
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| 17:23.26 | Tired | apropos, where is the documentation for aptitude shorts ~n? Like a list of all of 'em |
| 17:23.38 | Olivius67 | Pnux: then, what can I do next? |
| 17:24.54 | anykey | valdyn: DRBD and OCFS2 seem to do the job very well. |
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| 17:25.19 | hark | Tired: in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ |
| 17:25.31 | Tired | mmm, /usr/share/aptitude/README has some of it... |
| 17:25.41 | Tired | yeah, seen it |
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| 17:26.36 | hark | which one is missing? |
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| 17:27.07 | Tired | none :) |
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| 17:27.43 | sadasdasdasdasda | hello guys i'm looking for some software that i can synchronize some windows folders to debian does somebody got some good advice/ideas for me ? |
| 17:27.47 | hark | hah :) |
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| 17:28.47 | Tired | hark, guess I was looking for ~o == ?origin ... for situations like that with mixing? |
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| 17:29.41 | Tired | sadasdasdasdasda, depends... on what exactly that means |
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| 17:29.58 | Tired | rsync, probably |
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| 17:30.37 | sadasdasdasdasda | tired what u mean |
| 17:30.56 | Tired | what do YOU mean |
| 17:30.59 | sadasdasdasdasda | i already tryed rsync is works good but my problem with rsync is that it does not have a good gui |
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| 17:31.13 | x4d | hello, is it safe to chain ssh logins? I want to svn+ssh from my paid webhost to my local server to update a working copy that is located there. So I would be first connecting to the host with ssh and then running the svn update with svn+ssh, during this roundtrip could the password be aquired? |
| 17:31.15 | sadasdasdasdasda | i wanne sync some folders of my windows machine to my linux machine |
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| 17:31.27 | Tired | did you want to copy files or play minesweeper? |
| 17:31.30 | hark | you can't rely on origin as it may not be accurate, say if you have changed your sources.list after installing the packages |
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| 17:31.53 | sadasdasdasdasda | i wanne copy files(A) |
| 17:32.11 | Tired | that doesn't need a gui :) |
| 17:32.20 | sadasdasdasdasda | my problem is olso if i start the rsync i dont have any progras bar or somehting |
| 17:32.26 | sadasdasdasdasda | i cant see if its going well |
| 17:32.31 | sadasdasdasdasda | i cant see if it does fail |
| 17:32.40 | AimHere | x4d, well as long as you trust each of the machines you're sshing from it shouldn't be a huge problem |
| 17:32.55 | Olivius67 | hark, pnux: since apt refused to install proftpd without removing first vsftpd, I tried compiling from source, I'm getting this error thought: http://pastebin.fr/5739 |
| 17:33.29 | Tired | x4d, every chain is as safe as the weakest link :-P - if the other machine you connect through got cracked, the cracker could have exchanged ssh against a version that collects whatever you type |
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| 17:33.58 | sadasdasdasdasda | tired is it posseble to see if sync fails? |
| 17:34.05 | Tired | sadasdasdasdasda, rsync --progress? |
| 17:34.11 | Tired | it will tell you if it fails |
| 17:34.23 | Tired | if it doesn't tell you anything, it succeeded |
| 17:34.27 | x4d | AimHere, Tired: Thanks, I guess I'd better find another way |
| 17:34.37 | sadasdasdasdasda | hmm i shall try one sec |
| 17:34.43 | rpgdude | after updating to libgtk2.0 from unstable i have a strange problem with eclipse |
| 17:35.01 | rpgdude | some buttons dont click, i have to click them, then press enter |
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| 17:35.29 | rpgdude | and the problem only happens in eclipse |
| 17:35.45 | sadasdasdasdasda | so there is not some software that does the same as rsync but more with a gui |
| 17:35.56 | cahoot | unison? |
| 17:36.14 | Titan8990 | unison has been a dead project for a long time |
| 17:36.23 | Titan8990 | probably still works though |
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| 17:36.31 | Tired | sadasdasdasdasda, "apt-cache search rsync frontend" for a gui |
| 17:36.32 | cahoot | post mortem? |
| 17:36.53 | rpgdude | so maybe the problem has to do with the interaction between swt-gtk and the new libgtk from unstable |
| 17:37.02 | hark | Olivius67: do an apt-get build-dep proftpd-basic first |
| 17:37.17 | Tired | but seriously, I don't see how adding another layer can do anything but add to any possible confusion |
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| 17:38.22 | sadasdasdasdasda | tired thx |
| 17:38.30 | sadasdasdasdasda | tired one more question |
| 17:39.05 | sadasdasdasdasda | i wanne use rsync to let custers send a company backup to oure server |
| 17:39.24 | sadasdasdasdasda | customers |
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| 17:39.58 | sadasdasdasdasda | do u think rsync is good enough for that ? |
| 17:40.09 | crashanddie | Hi, I just installed Debian 5 using LVM. The installer only added one HD to the LVM group, so I added another, and then after installing a bunch of stuff, decided to reboot. Now I'm getting mount: Mounting /dev/mapper/thunderbluff-root on /root failed: no such device during boot and the system is unusable. Ideas? |
| 17:40.15 | Olivius67 | hark: E: Unable to find a source package for proftpd-basic |
| 17:40.17 | Titan8990 | for making incremental backups over the internet? yes |
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| 17:40.43 | sadasdasdasdasda | hmm okee |
| 17:40.52 | sadasdasdasdasda | can rsync communicate with the rsync in debian(A) |
| 17:40.54 | Olivius67 | hark I try apt-get build-dep proftpd instead? |
| 17:41.03 | sadasdasdasdasda | maby a stupid question i assume yes? |
| 17:41.10 | hark | Olivius67: are you running etch? |
| 17:41.41 | Olivius67 | hark: i think so, how can I check that (sorry for the dummy question)? |
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| 17:42.11 | hark | doesn't matter, try with proftpd then |
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| 17:42.56 | Olivius67 | hark: done, re-trying a compile now |
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| 17:44.02 | rpgdude | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:44.16 | Olivius67 | hark: i get exactly same error as before |
| 17:44.55 | Olivius67 | hark: I found this thought: http://forums.proftpd.org/smf/index.php?topic=3569.0;wap2 |
| 17:44.59 | rpgdude | etch is version 4 |
| 17:45.10 | hark | Olivius67: you can rebuild the debian package instead and edit out the conflicts. |
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| 17:46.05 | Olivius67 | hark: if you beleive this is going to be easier, then I'll go for it, however I need at least a few instructions I could start from |
| 17:46.07 | x4d | is it necessary that a svn user has a an account in the system to be able to svn+ssh? |
| 17:46.35 | hark | Olivius67: /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:51.18 | ]Spectre[ | Hi,Is there a debian based distro running on a usb pen ? danke schoen |
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| 17:52.17 | jpinx-eeepc | ]Spectre[: you can run debian off a USB device |
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| 17:53.51 | ]Spectre[ | danke |
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| 18:08.55 | markl_ | is there a way to let apt-get download more than one file at a time from the same source? |
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| 18:10.09 | patrikf | markl_: how would that improve speed? |
| 18:10.11 | llutz | markl_: apt-get download pak1 pak2 pak4 pak27 |
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| 18:10.26 | markl_ | llutz: i'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:10.31 | Flomar | hi, i've many users in my debian server. How can i force them to change their password in a regular basis? |
| 18:10.47 | markl_ | with like 50 files; and my isp (comcrap) seems to be limiting per-socket speeds |
| 18:10.57 | sadasdasdasdasda | can rsync acept more then one connection at the same time? |
| 18:11.01 | markl_ | e.g. single downloads are kinda slow but torrents are super fast |
| 18:11.43 | jpinx-eeepc | sadasdasdasdasda: yes - man rsync |
| 18:12.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Flomar: email them? |
| 18:12.21 | hark | Flomar: you can use chage |
| 18:12.54 | valdyn | sadasdasdasdasda: rsync over ssh should be what you use |
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| 18:13.32 | cads | emailing them new random passwords seems fine, I think? |
| 18:13.52 | valdyn | cads: fine for what? |
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| 18:14.00 | MmikeMRMA | Is there a way to force kernel on assigning ethXXX device names linked to adapter MAC address? I have MOBO with two ethernet adapters, one is Gigabit (marvell), one is 100Mbit (nVidia).... sometimes skge driver gets eth1, sometimes eth2.... |
| 18:14.14 | iShock | Just a quick question, going to install debian lenny, does it have support for a WUSB54G USB wireless card? |
| 18:14.16 | cads | valdyn: for flomar's question |
| 18:14.35 | hark | MmikeMRMA: /mdg dpkg 70 |
| 18:14.47 | MmikeMRMA | hark? |
| 18:14.49 | MmikeMRMA | oh |
| 18:14.50 | petemc | Flomar: man passwd |
| 18:15.00 | MmikeMRMA | hark, thnx |
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| 18:15.06 | catsup | 14:10 <sadasdasdasdasda> can rsync acept more then one connection at the same time? |
| 18:15.06 | cads | if you have them set new passwords all the time they'd just forget them and constantly ask you to recover them |
| 18:15.11 | catsup | 14:11 <jpinx-eeepc> sadasdasdasdasda: yes - man rsync |
| 18:15.15 | catsup | jpinx-eeepc: you sure about that? |
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| 18:15.36 | valdyn | MmikeMRMA: nic names *are* given by MAC by default |
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| 18:16.01 | jpinx-eeepc | catsup: I often rsync to two different locations at the same time |
| 18:16.08 | dmoranda | I'm trying to win a trip to Autodesk University. Any views would be much appreciated! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzoCdLjN_gw |
| 18:16.36 | catsup | jpinx-eeepc: well, that's not what sadasdasdasdasda is after |
| 18:16.52 | jpinx-eeepc | shame he wasn't more specific then |
| 18:16.57 | catsup | he was :\ |
| 18:17.17 | iShock | He wants to ACCEPT more than one, not rsync to more than one. How is that not specific? |
| 18:17.22 | iShock | Just a quick question, going to install debian lenny, does it have support for a WUSB54G USB wireless card? |
| 18:17.30 | valdyn | hes asking the wrong question |
| 18:17.39 | dkr | dmoranda: you not advertising here would be more appreciated |
| 18:17.55 | jpinx-eeepc | hence the wrong answer;) |
| 18:18.56 | iShock | Just a quick question, going to install debian lenny, does it have support for a WUSB54G USB wireless card? < |
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| 18:20.40 | catsup | iShock: try http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 18:21.04 | peterrooney | iShock: yes, with the firmware.... |
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| 18:21.47 | peterrooney | iShock: IIRC, it is isl3887usb_bare |
| 18:21.58 | iShock | catsup: peterrooney: I'm asking now because I need internet to install it and I'm wondering if the netinst has support for it so I can use it. D: |
| 18:22.21 | jpinx-eeepc | iShock: I believe not |
| 18:22.21 | peterrooney | iShock: oh, right. i don't know if the installer has support for it. |
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| 18:22.36 | iShock | *Sigh* |
| 18:22.38 | Ben_90 | hello |
| 18:22.47 | peterrooney | though, you could always install the minimal system first. |
| 18:22.53 | iShock | peterrooney: ? |
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| 18:23.03 | jpinx-eeepc | iShock: giyf |
| 18:23.16 | Ben_90 | can someone help me? |
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| 18:23.29 | iShock | jpinx-eeepc: ? |
| 18:23.38 | jpinx-eeepc | google is your friend |
| 18:23.51 | Ben_90 | hello??? |
| 18:23.52 | Ben_90 | ??? |
| 18:23.52 | peterrooney | iShock: install minimal system first, put firmware in place, reboot. IIRC, the netinstall disc has wireless tools available. |
| 18:23.53 | Ben_90 | ??? |
| 18:23.55 | ranix | google is my friend |
| 18:24.02 | Ben_90 | ??? |
| 18:24.03 | Ben_90 | ??? |
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| 18:24.06 | catsup | iShock: apparently it requires non-free firmware which is not included |
| 18:24.06 | dkr | Ben_90: don't spam. no one can help you if you don't ask a question |
| 18:24.07 | ranix | it gave me a coca-cola with no corn syrup yesterday |
| 18:24.18 | iShock | catsup: non-free? |
| 18:24.31 | peterrooney | I'm better friends with google than you are. |
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| 18:24.42 | catsup | !dfsg |
| 18:24.42 | dpkg | well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:25.05 | Ben_90 | hi |
| 18:25.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: just ask |
| 18:25.49 | Ben_90 | jpinx-eeepc: how do i install debian on my machine without a cd/dvd? |
| 18:25.50 | catsup | iShock: debian is a free software distribution, it does not include software (such as your card's firmware) which is not licensed under DFSG terms |
| 18:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: use a USB drive |
| 18:26.21 | Ben_90 | i was thinking i could install it with a floppy and a usb drive |
| 18:26.39 | Ben_90 | my system doesn't boot directly to usb |
| 18:26.50 | Ben_90 | it isn't even an option |
| 18:27.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: yes - look in the installation manual at debian.org - it's all expalined there |
| 18:27.01 | catsup | yeah you can boot from the floppy |
| 18:27.18 | dkr | !tell Ben_90 about install guide |
| 18:27.30 | datacrusher | hi everyone. im accessing from my loca network another lenny debian machine, using vnc and vinagre |
| 18:27.33 | Ben_90 | i want to use a boot floppy to boot from usb |
| 18:27.33 | catsup | f |
| 18:27.35 | datacrusher | but the connection is VERY slow |
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| 18:27.38 | ranix | !usb install |
| 18:27.38 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:27.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: you boot from the floppy and the installer will be on the USB drive |
| 18:27.54 | datacrusher | should i try using freeNX, or is just vnc configuration? |
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| 18:28.11 | Ben_90 | exactly |
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| 18:28.39 | catsup | well vnc sucks |
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| 18:28.57 | datacrusher | :( |
| 18:29.21 | catsup | however i have never used freenx, perhaps it too sucks |
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| 18:29.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: it's all in the manual - good luck |
| 18:30.00 | jpinx-eeepc | datacrusher: I use ssh -X |
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| 18:31.09 | catsup | X11 over TCP also sucks :\ |
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| 18:31.53 | jpinx-eeepc | datacrusher: it depends on what you want it for |
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| 18:32.22 | catsup | this is why we still need good console apps |
| 18:32.40 | iShock | Does anyone know any good free shell providers? |
| 18:32.42 | catsup | no graphical bullshit is ever going to compete |
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| 18:37.08 | jaws | How i get the vocal acentuada a? |
| 18:37.15 | Pnux | á |
| 18:37.25 | Pnux | jaws: ^ |
| 18:37.25 | jaws | Pnux: yes |
| 18:37.35 | iShock | ß |
| 18:37.39 | jaws | how can i get in the console |
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| 18:37.44 | Pnux | i have the spanish layout, so i just press the keys, no idea how to get it in console |
| 18:38.45 | Ben_90 | hello |
| 18:39.03 | Ben_90 | where do i get the usb image of debian? |
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| 18:39.45 | adb | !usb install |
| 18:39.45 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:41.13 | Ben_90 | adb: where do i get the USB install image? |
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| 18:42.14 | adb | Ben_90> read lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 18:42.22 | Pnux | Ben_90: cant you read? dpkg just told you |
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| 18:42.45 | hochron | how do you install yahoo messenger from a deb? |
| 18:43.15 | adb | hochron, install pidgin |
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| 18:43.52 | hochron | adb: I have pidgin on here but it does not work :( |
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| 18:44.28 | adb | hochron, than fix it |
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| 18:45.27 | hochron | adb: ok how do I do that? I launched it from a terminal but did not get any error messages.... I got an idea |
| 18:45.34 | jpinx-eeepc | hochron: yahoo is not good at the moment - I use bitlbee and connect through a yahoo server in china where they are not upgraded yet - edit your /etc/hosts |
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| 18:45.55 | Pnux | hochron: based on what you have said so far, NOBODY would know whats wrong |
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| 18:49.02 | sandman | Is Debian still doing its time-based release freezes? |
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| 18:49.39 | Pnux | still? they just started afaik |
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| 18:49.46 | ranix | sandman: we won't know until december if we're doing them at all |
| 18:49.54 | ranix | debian has always been |
| 18:49.55 | ranix | !wir |
| 18:49.55 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh> |
| 18:50.01 | sandman | ranix: Alright, good. Then there's still hope. |
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| 18:50.17 | sandman | I mean, that the time-based release idea will fail. |
| 18:50.48 | ranix | it's supposedly been settled that we'll freeze soon, but when it causes altercations in dev teams we'll probably see some vocalists backpedaling |
| 18:50.50 | hochron | ok I cant find the error log for pidgin, in /etc/hosts I just have two entry for my loopback device... hm I am not sure what my next step is |
| 18:50.50 | Pnux | time based freezes are good |
| 18:50.53 | sandman | =) I don't mean to start a flame-war or anything. I just felt like I should say something. |
| 18:51.15 | sandman | Pnux: Perhaps. But I wouldn't be using Debian anymore in that case =) |
| 18:51.24 | Pnux | sandman: why so? |
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| 18:51.33 | Dravekx | oh debian... how much do I hate thee... let me count the ways... |
| 18:51.37 | sandman | I don't feel like soapboxing at the moment. |
| 18:51.51 | Dravekx | ok hell. |
| 18:52.02 | Dravekx | hello. Im a newbie. |
| 18:52.11 | Dravekx | I just installed debian on my server. |
| 18:52.13 | simonrvn | that's nice |
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| 18:52.38 | Dravekx | and I clicked the desktop, sql, and web server on install. |
| 18:52.39 | sandman | Would debian-offtopic be a fair place to discuss this time-freeze issue? |
| 18:53.06 | Dravekx | now, im going to puke when it actually finishes because I know nothing about linux. |
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| 18:53.11 | Dravekx | LOL |
| 18:53.11 | Pnux | sandman: i guess so |
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| 18:56.19 | sandman | Okay, I attempted to bring up the issue @ debian-ot, but it went absolutely nowhere. They all seem too busy with conspiracy theories and the like. |
| 18:56.19 | Pnux | lol, im reading |
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| 18:56.36 | hochron | what does this error message mean exactly Gtk: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed, I screwed around with gtk trying to get something to compile |
| 18:56.54 | Dravekx | how can I setup a remote in debian? |
| 18:57.10 | cahoot | a remote what? |
| 18:57.11 | sandman | Well, alright. Who wants to bet that Mark's idea to force Debian into time-based releases will ultimately destroy Debian? |
| 18:57.13 | spvensko | if i installed xorg through apt-get (and thus use startx to start X), what config file would i need to modify to change what wm or de it chooses upon start up? |
| 18:57.30 | sandman | I bet $50. |
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| 18:57.57 | rudi_s_ | sandman: I thought it was time-based freezes? |
| 18:58.02 | Dravekx | wait.. do I want GRUB or not??? |
| 18:58.22 | sandman | rudi_s_: Heh, that's a real pretty way of saying the same thing =) |
| 18:58.23 | Pnux | Dravekx: thats a question you have to answer yourself |
| 18:58.23 | cahoot | would probably help boot |
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| 18:58.26 | Dravekx | its a single install.. no dual boot. |
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| 18:58.34 | simonrvn | grub is your bootloader, yes you do. |
| 18:58.50 | rudi_s_ | sandman: No, it isn't. After the freeze it can still take a year to the release ... |
| 18:59.06 | Dravekx | Im doing a netinst on a T105 server |
| 18:59.15 | spvensko | if i installed xorg through apt-get (and thus use startx to start X), what config file would i need to modify to change what wm or de it chooses upon start up? |
| 18:59.19 | sandman | It's still a freeze. |
| 18:59.26 | sandman | It's a forceful, non-whimsical release method. |
| 18:59.46 | sandman | The fact that Debian _didn't_ do that is precisely why I, personally have used it for so many years. |
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| 19:00.03 | sandman | Just my $0.02. But, it's not like I'm here to tell anyone anything different. |
| 19:00.12 | Dravekx | okay... |
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| 19:00.43 | sandman | Or rather, to do anything different. |
| 19:00.44 | Ben_90 | how do i find out what device my usb memory stick is using? |
| 19:00.49 | Dravekx | I have a dynamic IP... how can I make it into a static, point it to my domain, and setup a remote desktop so I can login/configure remotely? |
| 19:01.20 | sandman | Dravekx: man interface |
| 19:01.31 | Dravekx | k |
| 19:01.42 | sandman | An easy way to accomplish the latter would be to install gnome-desktop, login, and navigate to Remote Access through the menus. |
| 19:01.53 | sandman | Although I'm not entirely certain how secure that remote access method is |
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| 19:02.30 | Dravekx | sandman: i think it installed KDS |
| 19:02.33 | Dravekx | maybe |
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| 19:03.29 | Dravekx | o wait... |
| 19:03.33 | Dravekx | no. its gnome |
| 19:04.10 | sandman | Man, I now officially hate Shuttleworth. |
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| 19:04.54 | sandman | Mark and his entire Ubuntu organization strikes me as a cancer of Debian. A horrible, malignant cancer. |
| 19:04.54 | towerk | spvensko , I edit .xinitrc to select my wm |
| 19:05.04 | sandman | I need somewhere to flame. |
| 19:05.08 | sandman | I'm taking this to debian-ot |
| 19:05.10 | spvensko | is it just a simple exec <wm of choice>? |
| 19:05.19 | simonrvn | sandman: and here isn't the place |
| 19:05.21 | spvensko | i tried that but it still wants to load ratpoison, even though i have exec dwm |
| 19:05.25 | towerk | spvensko , yep |
| 19:05.40 | spvensko | hmm, i must be doing something wrong, ty though |
| 19:05.43 | towerk | spvensko, or a script with other goodies you want to see |
| 19:06.27 | towerk | spvensko, sometmes the command to use isn't obvious, gnome-session, startkde, and another for xfce |
| 19:06.43 | spvensko | towerk: i tried creating a xsession instead and it seems to work o_O |
| 19:06.48 | spvensko | i don't have a grphical log in either |
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| 19:07.24 | Dravekx | GOD DAMN... epiphany sucks ass. |
| 19:07.36 | towerk | i generally don't use a graphical login, prefer the choice |
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| 19:08.31 | sentor | hi |
| 19:08.53 | sentor | does anybody use voyage linux http://linux.voyage.hk/?q=about ? |
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| 19:09.20 | adb | Dravekx, epiphany is ok |
| 19:09.53 | Dravekx | adb, its running so sloooowww.... it wont even load google. |
| 19:10.27 | adb | Dravekx, nah , fix your network dude |
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| 19:11.33 | Dravekx | adb, its a fresh install of debian 5. and the network is fine unless I need to configure something in debian. |
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| 19:12.41 | adb | Dravekx, fix your network .. |
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| 19:13.34 | cpt | anybody tell me Can I use drivers for Mac OSX in Linux? |
| 19:14.04 | radoe | cpt: you can't. |
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| 19:16.41 | Socrates | salutations |
| 19:16.57 | cpt | and tell me please what adress ICQ server is? |
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| 19:17.36 | Pnux | cpt: im pretty much sude google knows |
| 19:17.53 | cpt | ok |
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| 19:19.22 | vcinzz | ubuntu shit O.S. |
| 19:19.33 | cpt | why? |
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| 19:19.47 | vcinzz | Debian good |
| 19:20.02 | cpt | arguments? |
| 19:20.11 | jelly-home | no arguments |
| 19:20.11 | Tired | I tarzan, you jane? |
| 19:20.14 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 19:20.14 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 19:20.25 | Pnux | vcinzz: we simply dont care, do to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:20.54 | vcinzz | Pnux son of bitch! |
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| 19:21.03 | WastePotato | o_O |
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| 19:21.18 | jelly-home | vcinzz: do you have a Debian support question? If not, please keep quiet. |
| 19:21.19 | vcinzz | !language | WastePotato |
| 19:21.28 | vcinzz | !language | WastePotato |
| 19:21.34 | WastePotato | k |
| 19:21.52 | jaws | which kernel must I use for lenny and CoreDUo2 procesosr 64bits? |
| 19:21.57 | vcinzz | !language | Pnux |
| 19:22.00 | jelly-home | !ops vcinzz trolling |
| 19:22.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: vcinzz trolling |
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| 19:22.10 | WastePotato | jelly-home: Yay. |
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| 19:22.24 | stew | vcinzz: can you please just restrict your comments to be related to debian end-user support? |
| 19:22.25 | jelly-home | jaws: -686 or -amd64 will do |
| 19:22.53 | Quazar | Hi all, suppose i want to update a existing software would dpkg --update-avail work for me? |
| 19:22.55 | vcinzz | !ops vcinzz trolling Pnux |
| 19:22.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vcinzz complains about: vcinzz trolling Pnux |
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| 19:23.23 | Dravekx_ | Do I want my network on roaming or DHCP? its plugged up to a router. |
| 19:23.26 | Pnux | just a kick? he made me cry :( |
| 19:23.32 | jelly-home | my kban sense is tingling |
| 19:23.34 | WastePotato | Pnux: Not even a kick. |
| 19:23.55 | vcinzz | !ops Pnux |
| 19:23.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vcinzz complains about: Pnux |
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| 19:24.18 | stew | that should do it. now lets just move on... |
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| 19:24.34 | Pnux | one last comment: one ban was enough |
| 19:24.50 | Dravekx_ | how do I name the network on debian? it keeps coming up listed as the IP address.\ |
| 19:25.00 | Dravekx_ | ugh |
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| 19:25.46 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone :P |
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| 19:27.22 | Tired | Pnux, "doppelt haelt besser" :) |
| 19:27.40 | Pnux | Tired: what? |
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| 19:28.35 | Quazar | Anyone? |
| 19:29.09 | dimir | !anyone |
| 19:29.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:29.13 | radoe | Pnux: you have to learn german to understand Tired's comment ;) |
| 19:29.20 | Pnux | no, all 917 people on the chan list are ghost |
| 19:29.30 | asg | Quazar: it depends on what you mean by 'update' |
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| 19:29.56 | Tired | Pnux, roughly translated "done twice is twice as safe" - or less literally "Better safe than sorry" |
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| 19:30.02 | Quazar | asg, i have an old version of virtual box |
| 19:30.14 | Pnux | Tired: oh, thats true |
| 19:30.15 | Quazar | I need to update it to the current one, i dont want to redo all what i have done with it |
| 19:31.03 | Dravekx_ | why, when I click "UPDATE MANAGER" in gnome desktop under Debian, does it say "FAIL FAIL FAIL HIT FAIL" when my net access is working fine? |
| 19:31.11 | asg | Quazar: are you using the apt sources for Virtualbox or do you just have a .deb of the new version? |
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| 19:31.45 | Quazar | asg i did use the apt source at first, but the version that it installed was an older one with a feature that i need and doesnt have |
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| 19:31.49 | Tired | Quazar, update it to "the current one"? |
| 19:31.50 | Quazar | So im forced to upgrad |
| 19:31.59 | Quazar | Tired: you should scroll up |
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| 19:32.05 | Tired | I did |
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| 19:32.18 | Quazar | Then read it carefully, cause thats exactly what im trying to do |
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| 19:32.21 | asg | Quazar: then dpkg -i /path/to/new.deb. It will remove the old package and install the new one provided all the dependancies you need are met. |
| 19:32.27 | Quazar | _Without_ erasing all my work |
| 19:32.32 | Quazar | And having to start all over |
| 19:32.35 | Tired | Quazar, I was indicating that it's not clear what you mean |
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| 19:33.00 | Tired | i.e. "the current one" isn't something we can know what you think it is |
| 19:33.05 | Quazar | asg wont that roll back what i've done with it so far ? |
| 19:33.19 | asg | Quazar: your vms and configs, by default, will be in ~/.virtualbox or somesuch and won't be touched by the upgrade. If you are worried, make sure you back up your configs. |
| 19:33.56 | asg | Quazar: what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:34.15 | Quazar | Lenny |
| 19:34.45 | asg | Quazar: iirc, there are apt sources for lenny that are up to date. |
| 19:35.27 | asg | Quazar: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 19:35.29 | Quazar | The one that they have is 1.6.6_OCE |
| 19:35.44 | asg | Quazar: the sources listed there are for 3.0.8, the latest release. |
| 19:36.31 | cyberwalk_rj-br | Could anyone help me to figure out a doubt at Xen on Debian ???? |
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| 19:36.50 | asg | cyberwalk_rj-br: ask your question or state your doubt. |
| 19:36.57 | mo2000 | hiho |
| 19:37.02 | Euclydex | buenas |
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| 19:37.13 | cyberwalk_rj-br | What command to see the memory utilization by the VM ? |
| 19:37.23 | asg | cyberwalk_rj-br: xentop |
| 19:37.44 | mo2000 | cyberwalk_rj-br: What with Xen?? |
| 19:37.44 | cyberwalk_rj-br | the real procentage or real amount of memory that is currently been used by the DomU ??? |
| 19:37.52 | Quazar | asg wouldnt this option work too: --update-avail |
| 19:37.57 | mo2000 | cyberwalk_rj-br: xm top |
| 19:38.25 | EvilGuru_ | I run a Squeeze system. I wish to try a 2.6.31 kernel to see if it fixes a problem I've been having. What is the best way of getting such a kernel installed? |
| 19:38.32 | cyberwalk_rj-br | asg, but this commando i see all the reserved memory for that domu, not the amount that is been used at that very moment |
| 19:39.13 | Tired | wtf is 1.6.6_OCE supposed to be |
| 19:39.21 | mo2000 | cyberwalk_rj-br: This information can be only obtained INSIDE the vm with the usual tools |
| 19:39.27 | sandman | I read this: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ted-Ts-o-Debian-Can-Learn-from-Ubuntu. lols ensued. |
| 19:39.59 | cyberwalk_rj-br | mo2000, i want to see the exactly amount or percentage of memory been used. I have domu's that i reserved at the configuration file, 512MB but qhen ilog into the domu, it used only 200MB. But the xentop, shows its using 512MB |
| 19:39.59 | asg | Quazar: no, I don't think that will work. |
| 19:40.06 | Dravekx_ | okay so |
| 19:40.22 | cyberwalk_rj-br | mo2000, you know what tool to do that ? |
| 19:40.24 | Dravekx_ | Im trying to learn and linux s ofar sucks |
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| 19:40.27 | Dravekx_ | so far |
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| 19:40.57 | mo2000 | cyberwalk_rj-br; *smille* i have only Windows HVM's |
| 19:41.02 | sandman | Dravekx_: What sucks so far? |
| 19:41.06 | asg | cyberwalk_rj-br: linux kernels will use all available memory (/msg dpkg free memory) for caching and other things if it isn't used. That's why your domUs report full usage. |
| 19:41.17 | Dravekx_ | sandman, I cant figure out my network issue. |
| 19:41.34 | Dravekx_ | sandman, it works fine in windows, but epiphany is REALLY REALLY slow. |
| 19:41.37 | sandman | Didn't I already tell you to man interfaces |
| 19:41.44 | sandman | Ohhh, something else. |
| 19:41.46 | cpt | guys, tell me if it possible to watch films without X? |
| 19:41.55 | Dravekx_ | sandman, I dont know what means. Im still new |
| 19:41.57 | sandman | So epiphany is slow. And what particular page are you looking at when this slowness occurs? |
| 19:42.03 | sandman | Something with Flash on it? |
| 19:42.06 | Dravekx_ | sandman, google. |
| 19:42.06 | cyberwalk_rj-br | asg, i only have one domu with linux ..... the other 3 are, WinXP, 2003 and 2000 ! |
| 19:42.21 | sandman | Loads fast, or is there a lag between typing and it coming up on the screen |
| 19:43.00 | Dravekx_ | sandman, no. it comes up slow... dirt slow. but every other computer is fast as crap. |
| 19:43.00 | sandman | Loads slow, rather. |
| 19:43.10 | Dravekx_ | yes |
| 19:43.13 | Dravekx_ | very slow |
| 19:43.15 | sandman | Wireless? |
| 19:43.20 | Dravekx_ | no wired. |
| 19:43.21 | asg | cyberwalk_rj-br: then use some WMI tool to check usage of memory on the guests, or snmp. You might look at libvirt and its tools but I don't know for sure if they will help. |
| 19:43.33 | Dravekx_ | ethernet |
| 19:43.40 | cyberwalk_rj-br | asg, thank you !!! |
| 19:43.53 | sandman | Dravekx_: Ug: I don't have time to assist you right now. But run ifconfig eth0 as root, and check over what it returns |
| 19:43.56 | sandman | Perhaps a setting is off |
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| 19:43.57 | AimHere | cpt, I think vlc and mplayer both can handle svgalib. Probably aalib if you just want to watch films over telnet or something |
| 19:44.11 | agutierr | someone knows how to degrade a raid1 array to raid0? :-s thanks |
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| 19:45.12 | sidh | greetings gentlemen |
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| 19:45.51 | sidh | if i cat a file > /dev/dsp1 , speakers make some noise, but if i mplayer -ao alsa file.avi, i have no sound |
| 19:46.12 | sidh | that is the same with vlc and other apps |
| 19:46.12 | Dravekx_ | e trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type. #3) With great power comes great responsibility. [sudo] password for dravekx: dravekx is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. dravekx@dravekx-debian:~$ |
| 19:46.15 | Dravekx_ | BAHAHAHAHA |
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| 19:46.20 | Dravekx_ | WTF is all that |
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| 19:46.35 | Dravekx_ | my own server reported me. |
| 19:46.36 | Dravekx_ | lol |
| 19:46.37 | AimHere | sidh, you opened up a mixer and unmuted and turned the volumes up to 11? |
| 19:46.38 | Euclydex | heloo |
| 19:46.44 | enmerkar | Dravekx_: man sudo, man sudoers |
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| 19:46.51 | Dravekx_ | lol |
| 19:47.02 | Euclydex | too usermod -G |
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| 19:47.33 | Dravekx_ | ok Im just lost |
| 19:47.44 | Dravekx_ | I think I need to read more before i venture into linux. |
| 19:47.50 | Dravekx_ | im going back to windows. |
| 19:47.52 | Dravekx_ | lol |
| 19:48.38 | sidh | AimHere: alsamixer tells it is at 90% |
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| 19:50.32 | mo2000 | someone know how to get the "real" Latest Kernel Sources... with apt-get i have 2.6.26-17-lenny2.. installed is 2.6.26-19... my patched kernel is overwritten by the next apt-upgrade |
| 19:50.52 | cahoot | sidh: DSP1? YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE SOUNDDEVICE? |
| 19:50.57 | cahoot | sorry |
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| 19:51.11 | sidh | cahoot: yes |
| 19:51.33 | enmerkar | mo2000: kernel.org |
| 19:51.38 | cahoot | sidh: you need tell mplayer to output to correct device then |
| 19:51.53 | sidh | i did asoundconf list |
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| 19:52.15 | AimHere | You tried mplayer -ao oss instead? |
| 19:52.16 | sidh | and asoundconf set-default-card the_good_card |
| 19:52.23 | mo2000 | enmerkar: so the stable kernel used by installation is taken from kernel.org |
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| 19:52.27 | sidh | and alsactl store |
| 19:52.37 | cahoot | sidh: what gives if you run speaker-test -t wav -c2? |
| 19:52.46 | sidh | and reboot (needed for other stuff) |
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| 19:53.19 | enmerkar | mo2000: yes, and patched |
| 19:53.37 | Sergio` | How can I know if my processor has sse3? |
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| 19:53.59 | enmerkar | Sergio`: grep sse3 /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:54.01 | Out_Cold | so i added a backports repo to my sources list, yet i still can't find certain apps that can be found on the website.. |
| 19:54.07 | sidh | cahoot: DO I have to ctrl-c |
| 19:54.10 | sidh | ? |
| 19:54.13 | cahoot | yes |
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| 19:54.56 | sidh | it says Plaback device is the default |
| 19:55.00 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 19:55.02 | bbelt16ag | i am still getthi peeps |
| 19:55.02 | sidh | Playback |
| 19:55.04 | bbelt16ag | i am still getting errors on buring my dvds |
| 19:55.10 | bbelt16ag | i am using my script now with a NEW identical Dvd burner bought as the same time and i still get errrors on my second disc. i think hal is borked or my script is messing up |
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| 19:55.23 | mo2000 | enmerkar: did the tar contain the all parts needed by debian build system is ther a special procedure? |
| 19:55.30 | cahoot | sidh: and you get sound? |
| 19:55.37 | sidh | no |
| 19:55.40 | bbelt16ag | so i dunno |
| 19:55.47 | bbelt16ag | has hal been recently updated |
| 19:55.50 | enmerkar | !tell mo2000 about kp |
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| 19:56.05 | cpt | Is it possible to set vlc to play movies without X? |
| 19:56.16 | enmerkar | mo2000: you can easily build debs with kp, but they won't have the debian patches |
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| 19:56.59 | sidh | cpt: i noticed once that if you run vlc file.avi, it tells you can run a specific command for vlc in cli |
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| 19:57.19 | sidh | dunno if it is without X dependancies |
| 19:57.22 | jelly-home | cpt: the best video output drivers are the ones available in X |
| 19:57.29 | cahoot | sidh: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1 and run speaker-test again |
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| 19:57.46 | jaws | my server has 16gb ram but just recognize 3.6 how can I fix it? |
| 19:57.48 | bbelt16ag | ok now its making me a liar |
| 19:57.58 | bbelt16ag | perhaps i am too hasty in my striving to burn dvds... |
| 19:57.59 | jelly-home | cpt: the question is why you want it without X? |
| 19:58.02 | asg | jaws: install a PAE kernel |
| 19:58.21 | jelly-home | jaws: use a -686-bigmem or a -amd64 kernel |
| 19:58.53 | jaws | asg: what is PAE ? |
| 19:59.05 | jelly-home | starting with lenny, we're only installing 64bit debian on servers |
| 19:59.13 | cpt | I want to set linux to use watch movies and listen to music only to load llinux faster |
| 19:59.15 | jelly-home | (we = $employer) |
| 19:59.30 | sidh | cahoot: i get Invalid card number |
| 19:59.36 | jaws | jelly-home: just install a new kernel in my lenny? |
| 19:59.44 | jelly-home | jaws: yes. |
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| 19:59.54 | cahoot | sidh: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? |
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| 20:00.21 | jelly-home | cpt: you'll still need X for that (for video at least), but you can run a lighter environment than the default Gnome |
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| 20:00.38 | sidh | yes 0 and 1 entry |
| 20:00.43 | sidh | 1 is the good choice |
| 20:01.08 | cpt | jelly-home, is it possible to run linux in 15 seconds? |
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| 20:01.30 | jaws | jelly-home:what do u think is better amd64 or bigmem |
| 20:01.32 | jaws | ? |
| 20:02.06 | jelly-home | cpt: probably, but Debian won't give you that out of the box. |
| 20:02.07 | cahoot | sidh: ok - my suggestion (for simplicity) would be to give the module for the 'good' card index 0 - i e make it default without any need for .asoundrc |
| 20:02.29 | jaws | jelly-home: somebody told me that it didnt work a 64bit kernel with 32 bits systems |
| 20:02.38 | jaws | ? |
| 20:02.46 | jelly-home | jaws: if your apps won't give you trouble for running a 64bit kernel, use amd64. Else, use 686-bigmem. |
| 20:03.08 | jelly-home | jaws: it depends on your workload |
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| 20:03.27 | jaws | i have just one app running a Postgres server db |
| 20:03.39 | sidh | cahoot: not sure the reset option has an argument |
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| 20:03.53 | jelly-home | jaws: since the 64bit kernel is present even in i386 (32bit) distro, it obviously works for some people |
| 20:03.54 | cahoot | it has |
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| 20:04.35 | jaws | jelly-home: so I need to reinstall whole system in 64bits from scratch? |
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| 20:04.47 | jaws | I thought to do an update |
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| 20:05.16 | jelly-home | jaws: sorry, have you been reading my last lines at all? |
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| 20:05.35 | jelly-home | we seem to have a misunderstanding |
| 20:05.57 | jaws | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:06.24 | jelly-home | jaws: I just said, and you confirmed, it's enough to install a different kernel flavor. What prompts you to ask about reinstall now? |
| 20:06.31 | sidh | cahoot: you mean asoudconf list should list the 'good'card in first ? |
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| 20:06.39 | cpt | Ok, thanks to everybody, I goind away... |
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| 20:06.41 | mo2000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.47 | cahoot | sidh: personally I'd not use asaoundconf at all - instead use Options <module for the good card> index=0 |
| 20:08.04 | jaws | jelly-home: just if I need to recompile the Postgres Server |
| 20:08.06 | sandman | Mark Shuttleworth versus Debian. Discuss. |
| 20:08.07 | sidh | where do you set that cahoot ? |
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| 20:08.35 | sidh | i mean in which conf file |
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| 20:08.46 | Titan8990 | sandman, this is support channel, discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:08.49 | jelly-home | sandman: ECHAN |
| 20:08.55 | cahoot | sidh: at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 20:09.03 | sandman | jelly-home: You are smrt. |
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| 20:09.53 | FiLtHySLoB | yo wats upp |
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| 20:10.20 | FiLtHySLoB | roma |
| 20:10.25 | FiLtHySLoB | i heared u got a lil cock |
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| 20:11.03 | dustybin | when i try and compile zoneminder, it cannot find important ffmpeg libs, i am compiling into /usr/local. i have created links between /usr/lib/libav* and /usr/local/lib but the make file always reports this: http://paste.debian.net/48493/ what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:13.42 | jelly-home | jaws: I don't know much about postgres, so I don't know if it requires a 64bit build (and OS) to use more than 4GB. |
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| 20:13.52 | hochron | can someone explain the difference between gtk and gtk2? I compiled gtk sources to satisfy another programs dependencies, and since did a make uninstall, and now everything blows up when it get to gtk stuff. Like this I ran pidgin -h and got Gtk: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed. Do I need to run another make command, like make clean?? |
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| 20:14.30 | sidh | cahoot: in the original file the default is set with index=-2 |
| 20:15.36 | cahoot | sidh: what module 'drives' the good card? |
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| 20:15.50 | sidh | snd-cmipci |
| 20:15.56 | cahoot | sidh:and what module 'drives' the othercard? |
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| 20:17.10 | sidh | cahoot: snd_ac97 |
| 20:17.38 | cahoot | sidh: no |
| 20:17.44 | cahoot | snd-intel8x0? |
| 20:17.45 | sidh | oops sorry |
| 20:18.00 | sidh | snd_intel8x0 |
| 20:18.06 | sidh | yes sorry |
| 20:18.50 | cahoot | sidh: so you need two lines, first Options snd-cmipci index=0, seconf Options snd-intel8x0 index=1 |
| 20:19.06 | sidh | ok |
| 20:19.30 | hochron | what exactly does "make clean" and "make depmod" do? |
| 20:19.47 | Sergio` | I only want to use terminal and no X. I'm using vga=0x0376 for 1600x1200 24 bits, the letters are very small and the display is slow. What do you suggest? |
| 20:19.53 | cahoot | sidh: remove any ~/.asoundrc*, run alsa force-reload and /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 and try speaker-test again |
| 20:20.10 | Sergio` | But it's the right resolution. |
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| 20:23.18 | hochron | I should have never attempted to compile gtk, but I just dont know what I am doing |
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| 20:25.24 | sidh | cahoot: still no sound, further more the asoundconf list command still list the 'bad'device first |
| 20:25.48 | cahoot | sidh: you did reload alsa? |
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| 20:27.34 | cahoot | sidh: removed and ~/.asoundrc* ? - and do not run asoundconf again until you've tested |
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| 20:30.30 | sidh | cahoot: the asoundconf list the good card first |
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| 20:30.46 | sidh | the reset 0 is ok |
| 20:30.59 | cahoot | sidh: why do you insist on running asoundconf? |
| 20:31.15 | sidh | but the speaker test produce no sound |
| 20:31.45 | sidh | ok i do all without asoundconf |
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| 20:33.36 | sidh | cahoot: still no sound |
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| 20:33.44 | sidh | with speaker test |
| 20:33.59 | cahoot | sidh: and no ~/.asoundrc* present? |
| 20:34.05 | sidh | none |
| 20:34.36 | Terr1 | Running Debian lenny, just did a apt-get upgrade, got a new mysqld version Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.39, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64), using kernel 2.6.18 now mysql cant start (I choose to keep old config file) 'Oct 7 22:21:54 srv4 /etc/init.d/mysql[6454]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'.. any ideas? :/ |
| 20:34.44 | cahoot | sidh: but now the cmipci is default - i e card0? |
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| 20:35.59 | sidh | cahoot: if i can not use asoudconf list, what other command can i use ? |
| 20:36.18 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.47 | sidh | YES the 0 is the good one |
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| 20:37.48 | groton | where to find the Quanta application for debian/squeeze? |
| 20:38.23 | cahoot | sidh: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* returns empty? |
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| 20:39.28 | sidh | cahoot: yes |
| 20:40.11 | cahoot | sidh: ok my last idea is to run speaker-test and try different mixersettings in alsamixer |
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| 20:43.18 | sidh | cahoot: i find something strange |
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| 20:44.10 | sidh | lsmod list some oss stuff |
| 20:44.21 | sidh | but non alsa stuff |
| 20:44.25 | sidh | none |
| 20:44.51 | justin | sidh: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:45.03 | justin | (or aplay -l) |
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| 20:48.50 | groton | kdewebdev is pratically emtpy in squeeze, as it does not contain any application :/ |
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| 20:49.04 | sidh | justin: cahoot http://pastebin.com/d457917fc |
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| 20:49.47 | wojtas | hello |
| 20:49.55 | wojtas | I have problem with keyboard. can you help me? |
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| 20:52.32 | wojtas | is anybody there? |
| 20:53.02 | Out_Cold | what's your problem? |
| 20:53.40 | DeeTah | where can I watch the progress of updating the arora package? i'd love to stay informed, i really need the new version. |
| 20:53.41 | cirzgamanti` | wojtas: it's always best to directly state your problem, as specific as possible. |
| 20:53.57 | wojtas | it's an Apple keyboard (Apple flat usb keyboard), and after upgrading to latest version of Xorg and X-Server some of keys stoped working |
| 20:54.11 | wojtas | I had a keymap that change some of keys (loaded by xmodmap), but it's not working after upgade'ing |
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| 20:55.08 | elli222 | Hi, This is a gnome related question, but on most buttons (not tool/menu bars) thier icon is missing |
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| 20:55.45 | elli222 | EG: Xchat's connect plug icon is missing, and a tick is missing from gdebi |
| 20:56.04 | elli222 | any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| 20:56.21 | sidh | justin: do you see something wrong |
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| 20:56.31 | sidh | in the aplay -l output |
| 20:56.34 | Terr1 | I just did a apt-get upgrade on debian lenny, and it tried to upgrade mysql from 5.0 to 5.1, now I get errors when installing mysql-5.1, --configure error, and Im stuck with no working mysql.. any problems associated to this? |
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| 20:56.45 | justin | sidh: nope |
| 20:56.53 | justin | sidh: fix your volume |
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| 20:57.18 | stew | Terr1: are you sure you are on a lenny box? |
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| 20:57.29 | Terr1 | think so? :) |
| 20:57.51 | stew | Terr1: what does "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1" say for "Candidate: " ? |
| 20:58.06 | stew | judd: versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 20:58.06 | judd | stew: mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.37-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.37-2 sid: 5.1.39-1 |
| 20:58.08 | macrobat | wojtas: can you xmodmap your xmodmapfile? |
| 20:58.32 | wojtas | I can |
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| 20:58.37 | Terr1 | stew: 5.1.39-0.dotdeb.1 |
| 20:58.49 | sidh | justin: still no sound |
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| 20:59.02 | wiretapped | anyone want to talk to me about PXE booting over IPMI? |
| 20:59.11 | wiretapped | linux is booting, but hangs after loading usb stuff |
| 20:59.11 | stew | Terr1: ahh the infamous dotdeb. good luck, check dotdeb's bugtracker i guess (if such a thing exists) |
| 20:59.19 | wiretapped | no idea why |
| 20:59.26 | macrobat | i also have problems loading a keymap from .xinitrc, i do it manually now |
| 20:59.28 | wiretapped | passing nousb results in hanging at the initrd |
| 20:59.38 | Terr1 | stew: what the hell is dotdeb? :) |
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| 21:00.05 | stew | Terr1: dotdeb.org is a place that makes notably buggy backports of newer versions of php and mysql for debian stable |
| 21:00.27 | wojtas | I load the keymap, but no changes |
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| 21:01.48 | macrobat | ok, then i dont know, try the forums |
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| 21:02.24 | mo2000 | is there a metapakage for kde that contain all "usual" toos to manage my system (no office)? |
| 21:02.25 | Terr1 | stew: any easy way to get back to old version (5.0) without damaging anything? |
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| 21:03.34 | stew | Terr1: i don't now. probably not |
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| 21:03.56 | stew | ^now^know |
| 21:04.29 | xhairball | stew: what syntax is ^old^new? |
| 21:05.00 | xhairball | or is it madeup and not like s/old/new/ ? |
| 21:05.17 | stew | xhairball: most interactive shells allow that to change the previous command. so type "xs" which gives you "command not found" then type "^x^l" it replaces xs with ls... |
| 21:05.18 | Pryon | it's a bashism called a quick substitution |
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| 21:05.41 | sidh | justin: i found something interesting in dmesg output : [ 6.938465] C-Media PCI: probe of 0000:00:06.0 failed with error -12 |
| 21:06.25 | stew | Terr1: you could maybe dump the database, downgrade all mysql related packages, then restore the database. no guarantees it will restore cleanly. i'm assuming that a 5.0 server cant use database files from 5.1, but I don't know |
| 21:06.26 | xhairball | stew: ahh thanks. Never used that in bash or zsh before. |
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| 21:07.21 | cg_uira | Hi, I have a cuestion about aoe+raid+lvm in debian lenny |
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| 21:08.30 | cg_uira | Someone knows if is posible to share a volume group with AoE? |
| 21:08.56 | xhairball | I created a new /etc/init.d/iptables that I think conforms with the LSB (maybe not debian policy because it's a bit chatty) so it works with insserv. Is there really no example one in Debian? What do you all use for loading iptables at startup? |
| 21:09.21 | unitypunk | how do i give user x rwx to folder/and/subfolders/and/file.s |
| 21:09.33 | stew | xhairball: iptables is best run from a script that is called in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:10.11 | stew | xhairball: what dependencies did you declare for your init script? |
| 21:10.31 | xhairball | stew: You mean 'script /etc/iptables.rules'? |
| 21:10.32 | stew | xhairball: like did you say that it should start after networking? or what? |
| 21:10.40 | JoshH | i use scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and if-post-down.d that run iptables-restore and iptables-save |
| 21:11.01 | cg_uira | I tryed it with logical volumen and work, but not work for me with a volumen group |
| 21:11.03 | stew | i do something similar to JoshH (but use pre-up lines) |
| 21:11.12 | xhairball | stew: Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs networking X-Start-Before: exim4 polipo $portmap $named $netdaemons ssh openbsd-inetd tor (idential X-Start-After) |
| 21:11.17 | JoshH | cat if-pre-up.d/iptables-restore |
| 21:11.17 | JoshH | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:11.17 | JoshH | iptables-restore < /etc/firewall |
| 21:11.17 | JoshH | exit 0 |
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| 21:11.52 | stew | xhairball: what does your firewall actually protect? |
| 21:11.59 | elli222 | Hi, is libboost_python-mt multithreaded (i assumed that from the mt part it has) and the one without isnt? |
| 21:12.01 | unitypunk | your cockpit. |
| 21:12.03 | stew | xhairball: like what traffic which would normally be allowed are you disallowing? |
| 21:12.05 | unitypunk | from engine fire. |
| 21:12.06 | unitypunk | duh. |
| 21:12.58 | sidh | find / -name asound.conf |
| 21:13.03 | sidh | oops |
| 21:13.12 | xhairball | stew: Hmm not sure I get your question. I block all services unless I explicitly enable them so things that listen by default on my inet interface aren't exposed. |
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| 21:14.20 | stew | xhairball: ok, but you don't need them blocked all the time? (becuase you are saying that its ok to bring the network up unfirewalled, then you firewall it at some point in the future) |
| 21:14.29 | xhairball | stew: is there a reason to use pre-up vs. /etc/network/if-pre-up.d? |
| 21:15.11 | stew | xhairball: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d gets called once per interface, so if you have multiple interfaces, the firewall script better be idempotent |
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| 21:16.30 | xhairball | stew: I see, thanks. I guess I did it that way in case the rules referenced DNS names. I checked and it doesn't. |
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| 21:17.50 | darkstar | hello. i need a ip forward, i've set 1 to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward but it doesn't work. i've also set shorewall with accept loc net tcp 80,443 |
| 21:19.17 | JoshH | idempotent is a cool word |
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| 21:22.29 | xhairball | Any reason to use iptables-save/iptables-restore rather than having a script with 'iptables ...' commands? It doesn't take long to exec. |
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| 21:25.18 | hochron | If I compiled something and no longer need it, I ran a "make uninstall. Now program blow up because I didn't use aptitude, do I have reinstall debian? |
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| 21:26.38 | mo2000 | hochron: try to make a apt-get install --reinstall <package-of-dammaged-programm> |
| 21:28.39 | hochron | mo2000: the thing is I installed gtk+ not gtk2 |
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| 21:30.34 | valdyn | darkstar: maybe you really want masquerading aka internet connection sharing |
| 21:31.10 | hochron | anyone know of a mirror with gtk+-2.16.3? |
| 21:31.23 | valdyn | judd: versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 21:31.24 | judd | valdyn: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 squeeze: 2.16.6-1 sid: 2.18.2-1 |
| 21:31.37 | valdyn | hochron: that is not in debian |
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| 21:31.56 | valdyn | hochron: you need to use the package management, not sabotage it |
| 21:32.35 | hochron | valdyn: this is good advice, hindsight is always 20/20 |
| 21:32.37 | bp0 | anyone have amd phenom II processor? |
| 21:32.38 | arcsky | ist possible to set a password or something to a screen session? |
| 21:33.09 | cirzgamanti` | can anybody tell me in what way the binary nvidia driver is broken on testing, and if this situation is likely to change in the near future? |
| 21:33.30 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: its not broken |
| 21:33.44 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 21:33.44 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2 |
| 21:33.49 | cirzgamanti` | valdyn: oh, somebody just told me so :( |
| 21:34.06 | hochron | so how good of a job did I do screwing up my system?? Do I get a medal |
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| 21:34.27 | cirzgamanti` | but i tried installing nvidia-glx, and it resulted in not being able to start X any more. |
| 21:34.30 | valdyn | hochron: you cant have broken anything that is not trivial to fix if you only messed with gtk+2 |
| 21:35.07 | cirzgamanti` | valdyn: i'm confused because installing nvidia-glx removes xserver-xorg-core. |
| 21:35.31 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: so maybe its broken then |
| 21:35.34 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: checking... |
| 21:35.52 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: does it remove anything else? |
| 21:36.13 | hochron | valdyn: well, I cant remember what else I screwed with... So how do I fix it? |
| 21:36.51 | dustybin | if one wants to compile a latest source code from a project, is there a debian way of doing it? ie, maybe making a .deb |
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| 21:37.13 | valdyn | hochron: apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dbg |
| 21:37.28 | valdyn | hochron: after that you can remove any of those packages again |
| 21:37.29 | hochron | ok thank you |
| 21:37.30 | adb | jeff_hann, may i pm you ? |
| 21:37.35 | valdyn | hochron: and thats not all |
| 21:37.54 | valdyn | hochron: remove /usr/local/* if you have nothiong you need there |
| 21:37.58 | jelly-home | dustybin: if Debian already has an older version of a package, /msg dpkg ssb, and /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 21:38.01 | valdyn | hochron: debian does not need /usr/local/* |
| 21:38.23 | valdyn | hochron: if you have stuff that you need in /usr/local/ then you need to find gtk related stuff in there manually |
| 21:38.29 | valdyn | hochron: finally run "ldconfig" |
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| 21:39.15 | dustybin | jelly-home: ? |
| 21:39.16 | hochron | thank you valdyn |
| 21:39.16 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: i cant see a conflict really |
| 21:39.25 | jelly-home | dustybin: ? |
| 21:39.29 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: you can however use the nvidia-glx package from sid |
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| 21:39.50 | dustybin | jelly-home: if Debian already has an older version of a package, /msg dpkg ssb, and /msg dpkg uupdate ? i dont understand |
| 21:40.07 | jelly-home | dustybin: is there an older version of your software in Debian? |
| 21:40.36 | dustybin | jelly-home: there is, but i removed it, ffmpeg and all the libs. i am now compiling ffmpeg with latest source from ffmpeg website |
| 21:41.33 | cirzgamanti` | valdyn: it removes xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 21:41.39 | jelly-home | dustybin: ask dpkg, the bot, about ways to a) make a package from debian's unstable sources (/msg dpkg ssb), and b) ask it to tell you about uupdate |
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| 21:42.45 | jelly-home | dustybin: also, debian-multimedia carries less crippled builds of ffmpeg and lib* packages built out of it |
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| 21:43.55 | cirzgamanti` | valdyn: isn't using a package from sid unclean ? |
| 21:44.53 | jelly-home | judd: versions ffmpeg |
| 21:44.53 | judd | jelly-home: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090906-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091001-0.0 |
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| 21:45.54 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: no, using a sid package in testing is not guaranteed to work cleanly, but may still be perfectly fine. |
| 21:46.12 | cirzgamanti` | hm, how do i pull off this stunt? :) |
| 21:46.22 | valdyn | !quid sid/sarge mix |
| 21:46.26 | valdyn | !quid sid/lenny mix |
| 21:46.29 | valdyn | !quick sid/lenny mix |
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| 21:46.35 | valdyn | ah ffs |
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| 21:47.05 | cirzgamanti` | !quick sid/squeeze mix |
| 21:47.07 | cirzgamanti` | ? |
| 21:47.14 | cirzgamanti` | no :( |
| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | !lose valdyn |
| 21:47.15 | dpkg | valdyn: You Lose. |
| 21:47.19 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: add sid lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, install whatever you need, take care that you dont get more sid packages than nvidia |
| 21:47.28 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: once done remove the sid lines |
| 21:47.32 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 21:47.32 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 21:48.12 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: you can also pin testing/squeeze, in which case sid packages only get installed when specified explicitely ( apt-get -t sid ). |
| 21:48.25 | jelly-home | testing/sid usually works decently (not much worse than just testing) |
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| 21:49.13 | cirzgamanti` | when i add a sid line after the testing, it seems to still want to get the testing archive. |
| 21:49.23 | cirzgamanti` | should i temp. remove the testing line? |
| 21:49.27 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: apt-get update first |
| 21:49.38 | cirzgamanti` | ah, forgot :( |
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| 21:50.13 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: and i say again, take care that you dont upgrade more. |
| 21:50.21 | cirzgamanti` | "nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-185.18.36 but it is not installable" |
| 21:50.25 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: the xorg release from sid is unsupported by nvidia |
| 21:50.31 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: thats good |
| 21:50.42 | cirzgamanti` | E: Broken packages |
| 21:50.57 | cirzgamanti` | it is? ;) |
| 21:51.05 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: 1) install nvidia-kernel-source 2) build and install the nvidia-kernel-185.18.36 package 3) install nvidia-glx |
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| 21:51.25 | cirzgamanti` | nkv also from sid? |
| 21:51.35 | elli222 | hmm |
| 21:51.36 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: or 1) run "m-a a-i nvidia" 2) install nvidia-glx |
| 21:51.53 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: cannot parse |
| 21:52.08 | elli222 | everything linked to the 64-bit openal library dosent work properly... |
| 21:52.20 | valdyn | elli222: how so? |
| 21:52.28 | cirzgamanti` | nvidia-kernel-source, mistyped :P |
| 21:52.35 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: yes, sure |
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| 21:52.54 | cirzgamanti` | looks good so far :) |
| 21:52.59 | cx42net | hello there ! :) |
| 21:52.59 | elli222 | valdyn, everything fails to start, or starts with a completly black screen |
| 21:53.20 | valdyn | elli222: why would broken sound cause a black screen? |
| 21:53.54 | valdyn | elli222: give us an error message |
| 21:54.01 | cx42net | I need some help with my cron command. I'd like it to be executed 5 times per day, and I'm not sure about the exact methods, is "0 23/5 * * * /root/script.sh" is correct ? |
| 21:54.04 | elli222 | valdyn, its not the sound i guess, its the thread that decides to die. when audio is disabled these apps work fine |
| 21:54.17 | elli222 | valdyn, there are no error messages |
| 21:54.20 | valdyn | elli222: which apps? |
| 21:54.34 | cirzgamanti` | valdyn: so now when i restart, and have "nv" in the .conf (and Load "glx" in the Module section), all should be ok? |
| 21:54.41 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: no |
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| 21:54.56 | elli222 | valdyn, vegastrike, supertuxcart, anything thats linked and uses libopenal.so.1... |
| 21:54.59 | valdyn | cirzgamanti`: you just installed nvidia drivers, thats "nvidia" in the .conf |
| 21:55.23 | cirzgamanti` | ok, will try to restart with "nvidia" now. |
| 21:55.41 | elli222 | oddly enough, the 32 bit one i installed using getlibs works fine with 32 bit progs |
| 21:55.50 | adb | elli222, running debian |
| 21:55.53 | adb | ? |
| 21:55.59 | elli222 | yep |
| 21:56.03 | elli222 | debian sid |
| 21:56.08 | valdyn | elli222: change the backend of openal |
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| 21:56.22 | cx42net | any idea please ? |
| 21:56.37 | elli222 | i have pulseaudio and oss, which works with the 32 but lib :V |
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| 21:57.22 | Anthro | Anyone know of a commandline tool that will do an 802.3 CRC32 for a file? |
| 21:57.32 | SPF | Anthro: cksfv |
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| 21:57.55 | Anthro | SPF: Thanks |
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| 21:58.22 | valdyn | cx42net: 0 0-23/5 * * * |
| 21:58.49 | cx42net | valdyn: yes, great, thank you ! :) |
| 21:58.54 | cirzgamanti` | yay, worked :) |
| 21:58.58 | elli222 | changin the backend worked, but why wouldnt pulseaudio work? |
| 21:59.11 | cirzgamanti` | hugs valdyn (in a non-sexual way :) |
| 21:59.40 | adb | !win cirzgamanti` |
| 21:59.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, cirzgamanti`! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:59.42 | valdyn | elli222: is pulseaudio running? is pulseaudio working for different applications? |
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| 22:00.28 | valdyn | elli222: obviously openal is broken for pulseaudio anyway since sound not working is no reason for black screen or the app not working at all |
| 22:00.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:00.40 | elli222 | valdyn, pulseaudio WAS running (til i disabled it to try changing openal's backend to alsa) but the 32 bitr libs work fine :V |
| 22:00.55 | keyhack | if I have a switch that is doing layer 3 routing of an entire subnet to a specific port which my machine is plugged into, how can I set up the routes in linux so that all traffic goes to a specific interface? (in my case a tun device) I have it so that if I try do ping any of the IPs from the box itself the packets are sent correctly to the target interface, but any packets externally do not route correctly |
| 22:01.01 | elli222 | valdyn, ill probably compile a openal myself and see if that fixes it |
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| 22:02.03 | martys | hmm, how can i adduser? when i write: adduser bruker1 -d /home/bruker1 -m -U -p testing123 it pops up the ls stuff. |
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| 22:03.38 | beardy | martys: Why do you specify a homedir that would be created by default anyway, for starters? |
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| 22:05.36 | mesa_booger | if you ask me, there may be some confusion about adduser and useradd |
| 22:05.52 | mesa_booger | not to mention that the password should be encrypted ... |
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| 22:07.03 | beardy | Yes, it most likely is. |
| 22:07.11 | beardy | A failure to look in the manual. |
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| 22:07.37 | Miguel_Angelo | greetings, can anybody help with an exim authentication problem against a most impolite ms exchange server from my client ISP? |
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| 22:08.00 | Miguel_Angelo | nobody can help at the exim channel... |
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| 22:09.44 | petemc | Miguel_Angelo: you did more complaining than asking in the exim channel |
| 22:11.08 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc, no, I asked questions with no answers but the kind that you're using right now |
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| 22:11.43 | petemc | Miguel_Angelo: anyway, from what you said it sounded like exim wasnt trying to auth with the exchange box |
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| 22:12.00 | petemc | Miguel_Angelo: but, log lines and config snippets would help to confirm that |
| 22:12.09 | Miguel_Angelo | and please use the private channel for those, I'm sure ppl here have more to do than those kind of flaming replies |
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| 22:13.03 | keyhack | the "route" or "ip route" command is only used for specifying outbound routes, correct? |
| 22:13.06 | Miguel_Angelo | exim isn't trying to auth at all, with all parameters checked against another smtp servers, still I can't use it at all |
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| 22:13.28 | Miguel_Angelo | and nothing on the logs... |
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| 22:14.45 | Miguel_Angelo | I successfully authenticate against the gmail servers, but not on this exchange server |
| 22:15.19 | petemc | log lines, config snippets |
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| 22:17.29 | jpin | Arduino SPI anyone? I've tried literally every combination of SPCR |
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| 22:17.43 | jpin | to no avail |
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| 22:18.27 | valdyn | keyhack: those commands set any route for any ip packet |
| 22:18.29 | mram50 | Hello... I'm having a real problem clearing or unmarking something in synaptics pkg manager.. A while back I made a stupid attempt to uninstall chatzilla which I later learned wasn't installed at all, but now I can't install nor uninstall anything using synaptics or apt.. any ideas how to clear this? |
| 22:18.59 | keyhack | valdyn: hmm, packets originating locally on the machine itself route correctly, but those arriving externally do not, still trying to wrap my head around this stuff |
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| 22:20.06 | valdyn | keyhack: route is not complicated |
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| 22:20.56 | keyhack | valdyn: no I know, seems pretty straight forward, but when I ping an IP externall from elsewhere on the network, I do not see it being routed correctly on the machine, which implies the route is not working, or the packet isn't making there (and if later is the case, then IT has lied to me about setting up the switch) |
| 22:21.17 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc: Mainlog just shows a "unable to relay for xyz@xc.xc" and the configuration snippets don't seem to have any issue to report... |
| 22:21.45 | keyhack | valdyn: I suppose I can hook up my laptop to the port and run Wireshark to see if the packets are making it to the port correctly, if I don't see them, then the switch is misconfigured |
| 22:22.52 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc: notice the xyz@xc.xc is the recipient of the destination |
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| 22:24.25 | valdyn | Miguel_Angelo: so whats the mx for xc.xc ? does that mx work correctly and take mail originating from your host? |
| 22:25.34 | valdyn | Miguel_Angelo: you can use swaks to test this |
| 22:26.21 | petemc | you dont need to use swaks to find out why exim doesnt attempt to auth |
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| 22:26.57 | Anthro | SPF: cksfv was exactly what I needed. Thanks! |
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| 22:28.18 | Miguel_Angelo | valdyn: the xc.xc is in fact an example email address on gmail using the command 'exim4 -v -odf xyz@gmail.com', in this case my personal email account on gmail. I'm using exim to forward mail to my client's ISP, which apparently is an exchange server :\ |
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| 22:28.53 | Miguel_Angelo | valdyn: the smarthost is the exchange server |
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| 22:35.44 | petemc | Miguel_Angelo: -d is more useful than -v |
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| 22:36.36 | Miguel_Angelo | thanks petemc, I'll give it a try and post! |
| 22:37.16 | petemc | but with -odf that wont show the smtp transaction |
| 22:37.40 | petemc | would be better to have a message on the queue, then try to deliver it with -d -M |
| 22:38.35 | Miguel_Angelo | petemc: uhmmm... how can I hold a message on the queue - sorry if it's a silly question? |
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| 22:39.14 | petemc | Miguel_Angelo: one way would be to set exim to queue_only |
| 22:39.32 | petemc | theres probably a command line option too, i dont know off the top of my head |
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| 22:40.06 | nineclock | hiz |
| 22:40.16 | Miguel_Angelo | I'll look it up on the man pages, thx petemc, reporting back after the result |
| 22:40.22 | nineclock | i need to create a sfv file , some ideas ? |
| 22:41.03 | EvilGuru_ | A home I use a WPA-authenticated wireless network with my Intel WiFi Link 5300. It works fine under Debian. However, I want to know if anything special is needed for 802.11x authentication support |
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| 23:15.31 | MaximLevitsky | I recently run across a program named 'debsums' |
| 23:16.06 | MaximLevitsky | It is very nice to see which files were changed |
| 23:16.46 | MaximLevitsky | But a question, is there a program that can tell me what files were added (aren't in dpkg database)? |
| 23:17.20 | MaximLevitsky | I can parse output from this program/look at dpkg database , then compare with find / output |
| 23:17.34 | MaximLevitsky | but maybe this is already done? |
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