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| 00:00.12 | Shadowless_egg1 | and i get back dd if=boot.img of=\\.\e: |
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| 00:00.42 | catsup | try #windows |
| 00:02.08 | catsup | objorn: if you type just 'locale' in a shell in your screen session dos it say .utf8 ? |
| 00:02.09 | Shadowless_egg1 | but it's sorta a linux related question |
| 00:02.12 | |Mike| | dd in windows ? |
| 00:02.17 | Shadowless_egg1 | dd for windows |
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| 00:02.35 | catsup | there's a lot wrong with your question is |
| 00:02.38 | catsup | there's a lot wrong with your question |
| 00:02.44 | Shadowless_egg1 | ok |
| 00:02.48 | Shadowless_egg1 | long story |
| 00:02.49 | catsup | even beside that it's a windows question |
| 00:02.55 | catsup | seriously, #windows |
| 00:03.03 | Shadowless_egg1 | fine :/ |
| 00:03.04 | sway_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.31 | catsup | objorn: if you type just 'locale' in a shell in your screen session does it say en_US.utf8 ? |
| 00:05.34 | hexoroid | pasteeater yes i do |
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| 00:07.43 | objorn | catsup: i have it fixed now |
| 00:08.01 | objorn | thanks to the wiki on debian.org |
| 00:08.07 | objorn | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 00:14.09 | Diddi | hi! I'm about to install debian Lenny, and it's supposed to serve as a xen hypervisor. I'm in the installation and asked to choose kernel. there are several -xen kernels to choose from, what's the difference? |
| 00:14.37 | jstein | hi, after an distupgrade i have 2 sound devices: pcspkr and ac97 The Flashplayer and many other programs use the default sound device wich is now the pcspkr module. How can i set default back to ac97? |
| 00:15.28 | Diddi | and by several I mean 2. "linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686" and "linux-image-xen-686" (: |
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| 00:17.15 | petemc | Diddi: i would recommend xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 00:17.22 | petemc | gives you everything you need |
| 00:17.29 | Diddi | sounds awesome |
| 00:17.31 | Diddi | (: |
| 00:17.37 | petemc | Diddi: theres good info on the debian wiki too |
| 00:17.57 | kr1s | Hi, i have a textfile with many words, separeted by a linebreak. how can i remove the duplicate words? |
| 00:18.36 | Diddi | petemc: alright, thanks (: |
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| 00:19.35 | ksnp | any users of dmcrypt ? does it allow to encrypt only a folder or multiple folders instead of whole disk ? |
| 00:19.37 | rudi_s | kr1s: If sorting is no problem then cat file | sort | uniq > sorted |
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| 00:24.10 | Diddi | now that's a bummer.. booting the new system gives me "Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format" from grub... hope the wiki has anything on that (: |
| 00:24.35 | petemc | thats a common error |
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| 00:26.50 | Tramp | ksnp: no, it encrypts devices ("dm" = device mapper). For what you want there are some solutions implemented using fuse |
| 00:26.51 | xhairball | ksnp: you can encrypt it via a loopback device (dmcrypt wiki is down though...). However, I don't think the size can grow. You may be better off with encfs or ecryptfs. Ecryptfs stores the metadata in the header of the file so you can easily archive/transfer them. There are pros/cons to each method. Encfs definitely does what you're looking for because I used it like that. Got burned by the openssl bug though :/ |
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| 00:34.53 | ksnp | how did you fix the openssl bug ? |
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| 00:35.33 | xhairball | upgraded, wiped, re-encrypted |
| 00:35.38 | ksnp | ok |
| 00:35.57 | ksnp | so encfs and encryptfs both allow encrypting selected folders ? and this happens on the fly transparently ? |
| 00:37.02 | xhairball | I know ecryptfs does it on a file level. I'm not sure if it transparently handles directories. Encfs is not transparent. You mount it and the files become readable. Once you unmount it, they are gibberish names. |
| 00:37.16 | xhairball | and contents of course :) |
| 00:37.26 | ksnp | ok, was just abt to askthat :) |
| 00:37.59 | ksnp | if the machine gets a hard reset while in operation, and folder is being accessed/written, will the contents go bad upon restart ? |
| 00:38.05 | xhairball | but like I said, there are pros and cons to each way. Encfs exposes how many files you have, about how big they are, and about how long the file name is. It also exposes file modification metadata. |
| 00:38.23 | ksnp | xhairball, mounting and umounting works for me |
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| 00:38.34 | Shadowless_egg1 | any can help me with dd? |
| 00:38.43 | vlt | Hello. I just cloned my Debian install and now /tmp is not writable for users anymore. How to set it back to drwxrwxrwt mode? |
| 00:38.44 | |Mike| | man dd |
| 00:38.45 | ksnp | size etc knowing is also fine, just want them to be encrypted |
| 00:38.52 | xhairball | Shadowless_egg1: not with a Windows question |
| 00:38.54 | |Mike| | vlt: cat /etc/fstab |
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| 00:38.58 | ksnp | xhairball, you tell which of the two is easier to install and configure and least issues ? |
| 00:39.09 | Shadowless_egg1 | ive asked in windows no one answered |
| 00:39.10 | xhairball | ksnp: I'm not sure how fault tolerant it is. I have an UPS and I backup. :) |
| 00:39.20 | Shadowless_egg1 | ive asked in linux no one knows |
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| 00:39.31 | xhairball | Shadowless_egg1: ... doesn't mean we want to answer it. |
| 00:39.44 | Shadowless_egg1 | how about this |
| 00:39.52 | Shadowless_egg1 | i am trying to install debian via a flash drive |
| 00:40.02 | Shadowless_egg1 | i cannot use unetbootin and dd and rawrite wont work |
| 00:40.35 | xhairball | ksnp: encfs is very easy to use. It's a FUSE driver. |
| 00:40.36 | vlt | |Mike|: old: "/dev/mapper/system-tmp /tmp ext2 defaults 0 2", new: "LABEL=clapton_tmp /tmp ext3 defaults 0 2" |
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| 00:41.01 | |Mike| | should be writeable imho |
| 00:41.16 | Shadowless_egg1 | im doing this from windows |
| 00:41.29 | ksnp | xhairball, ok |
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| 00:41.50 | vlt | |Mike|: What sets the "t" flag in the old machine? |
| 00:43.06 | |Mike| | ext2 versus ext3, did you dd it ? |
| 00:43.13 | |Mike| | what t ? |
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| 00:43.38 | vlt | |Mike|: No, I created an empty fs. drwxrwxrwt <-- |
| 00:43.47 | |Mike| | oh ic. |
| 00:43.50 | |Mike| | mktemp ? |
| 00:45.39 | xhairball | vlt: t = restricted deletion or sticky bit (restricted deletion in this case). See man chmod. |
| 00:45.58 | vlt | |Mike|: Reading mktemp's manpage doesn't really convince me ... |
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| 00:47.36 | vlt | xhairball: Yes, but when is this t bit created. The empty /tmp dir in the old and new root fs has just drwxr-xr-x. |
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| 00:50.50 | sway_ | hey man |
| 00:52.23 | ksnp | xhairball, how is the performance with fuse & encfs - it looks like it does whatever i need, on the fly would have been better, so looking into encryptfs |
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| 00:54.28 | Shadowless_egg1 | man dd didnt work |
| 00:54.35 | catsup | lol Shadowless_egg1 |
| 00:54.44 | Shadowless_egg1 | >_> |
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| 00:56.03 | catsup | Shadowless_egg1: the problem is probably that you're specifying the filename in the wrong way |
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| 00:56.10 | catsup | for windows |
| 00:57.19 | ksnp | i have virtual mail being stored under user:group vmail:vmail if i want the daemon to now store it on enfcs, can simpy make vmail part of fuse group and will it work ? |
| 00:57.29 | catsup | anyway, the whole idea of using dd to copy disks, is that unix provides disk device files, which can be copied into as if they were normal files. if windows doesn't have a device file corresponding to your drive, then dd won't work for windows the way it does on linux. |
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| 00:57.43 | catsup | since dd just copies files |
| 00:58.15 | Shadowless_egg1 | specifying it in the wrong way? |
| 00:58.24 | catsup | well there's probably no right way |
| 00:58.31 | edju | Squeeze will go stable in a few months. Will it be possible to keep KDE 3.5 in it? |
| 00:58.32 | catsup | given what i said earlier |
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| 01:00.44 | catsup | edju: what do you mean, keep the kde from lenny when you upgrade? |
| 01:00.59 | catsup | edju: you can put those packages on hold, and they won't be upgraded |
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| 01:02.15 | edju | catsup, Yes, that is what I meant, and thanks. Now I'll find out how to "put them on hold." |
| 01:02.17 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
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| 01:02.52 | romano2k | is there anyway i can get rid of a package that gives me an error everytime i manipulate aptitude? |
| 01:03.13 | streuner_ | manipulate aptitude? |
| 01:03.23 | catsup | edju: 'aptitude hold' |
| 01:03.28 | dondelelcaro | fix the error, of course |
| 01:03.31 | streuner_ | please show us the error and the command in paste.debian.net |
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| 01:05.24 | streuner_ | romano2k: we need more details... |
| 01:06.17 | romano2k | streuner_: i can't remove courier-imap because i manually deleted /etc/courier |
| 01:06.52 | romano2k | when i try to remove it, i get error messages like "invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "stop" failed." |
| 01:07.19 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 01:07.50 | dondelelcaro | romano2k: add an exit 0 to the top of courier-imap's init screipt and purge it. |
| 01:08.12 | dondelelcaro | under the shebang, of course |
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| 01:09.37 | romano2k | dondelelcaro: doesn't help |
| 01:09.45 | streuner_ | romano2k: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postrm |
| 01:10.03 | dondelelcaro | romano2k: it'll fix that exact error. |
| 01:10.14 | dondelelcaro | you may have others, of course. |
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| 01:10.27 | romano2k | streuner_: what should i do with that file? |
| 01:10.37 | streuner_ | just mv it to /tmp :-) |
| 01:10.51 | dondelelcaro | romano2k: if you want to clean up manually, you can remove it... |
| 01:11.22 | romano2k | dondelelcaro: /var/lib/dpkg/info/courier-imap.postrm ? |
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| 01:11.34 | dondelelcaro | romano2k: sure. |
| 01:12.29 | romano2k | dondelelcaro: i moved it and i still get an error (in french, unfortunately) |
| 01:12.58 | dondelelcaro | LANG=C foocmd is your friend. |
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| 01:13.27 | streuner_ | romano2k: show us the error in paste.debian.net please and use the command dondelelcaro showed you |
| 01:13.35 | ksnp | Nejib, |
| 01:13.35 | ksnp | I happen to find this for automatically setting lower priority for batch file calls which came up long back, fyi : |
| 01:13.35 | ksnp | start /b /belownormal dtmb.exe
.. |
| 01:13.35 | ksnp | The process can be stopped instead of by ctrl-c, ctrl-break |
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| 01:13.48 | ksnp | wrong copy paste |
| 01:13.56 | ksnp | sorry |
| 01:14.22 | ksnp | i am working on multiple things at same time and happen to do a wrong copy paste |
| 01:14.37 | ksnp | heres the right one : |
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| 01:15.04 | romano2k | http://paste.debian.net/48665/ |
| 01:15.06 | ksnp | does encfs fail if machine powers down while running ? |
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| 01:16.17 | streuner_ | !confmiss |
| 01:16.18 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 01:16.33 | ekontsevoy | I am trying to figure out how auto-mounting works and have a simple question about this line in /etc/fstab: http://pastie.org/649148 |
| 01:16.53 | ksnp | ekontsevoy, i am trying to do the same thing with encfs, would you know how ? |
| 01:16.55 | streuner_ | romano2k: see what dpkg told you, just use that in order you have the conf file again... |
| 01:17.37 | romano2k | streuner_: here's the result |
| 01:17.38 | romano2k | http://paste.debian.net/48666/ |
| 01:18.08 | romano2k | can't aptitude just overwrite files without wondering if it's been uninstalled or stopped properly? |
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| 01:18.30 | romano2k | "force" isn't really forcing as i can guess |
| 01:18.33 | ekontsevoy | ksnp: have no idea. I have a machine which has read-only access to its /tmp and I'm trying to fix it (I'm not a sysadmin I'm a programmer :) |
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| 01:18.41 | ksnp | ok |
| 01:18.45 | ksnp | anyone have a minute to help with encfs please ? |
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| 01:19.50 | \amethyst | ekontsevoy: /tmp will have the permissions of the root directory of the /dev/VolGroup03/data04 filesystem |
| 01:20.16 | \amethyst | ekontsevoy: you need to chmod 1777 /tmp as root while it is mounted |
| 01:20.23 | ksnp | i installed fuse and encfs, i don't see the group fuse in /etc/passwd |
| 01:20.30 | streuner_ | romano2k: LANG=en aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall courier-imap |
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| 01:20.44 | streuner_ | romano2k: my french sucks, unfortunaly... |
| 01:20.57 | romano2k | streuner_: hehe you're welcome :) |
| 01:21.11 | \amethyst | ksnp: groups aren't in /etc/passwd, they're in /etc/group |
| 01:21.32 | romano2k | http://paste.debian.net/48667/ you gain a perl error wich is not directly related to my issue |
| 01:21.46 | ksnp | ok |
| 01:22.35 | ksnp | \amethyst, i am trying to use fuse and want mainly fast performance, not so much encryption strength, is blowfish or AES better ? would you know ? |
| 01:25.42 | streuner_ | romano2k: it still looks for the conf file in order to stop the daemon., not sure |
| 01:25.50 | \amethyst | ksnp: I hear that depends a lot on your CPU... supposedly Blowfish is faster on simpler CPUs, AES on modern ones |
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| 01:26.02 | \amethyst | ksnp: but I don't know from personal experience |
| 01:26.06 | romano2k | streuner_: may i add a "exit 0" somewhere else? |
| 01:26.07 | ksnp | ok |
| 01:26.21 | romano2k | or maybe get the conf somewhere and put it back where it should be? |
| 01:26.32 | streuner_ | romano2k: so i would suggest you take a look at the deb itself and just cp the conf file to your system |
| 01:26.53 | ksnp | \amethyst, i am running dovecot and using a particular user, group. if i add that user to fuse group, it should be able to access the encrypted fs ? |
| 01:26.55 | romano2k | streuner_: can you just tell me how to unpack the .deb? (which i already downloaded) |
| 01:27.10 | \amethyst | ksnp: fuse group just controls who can mount it |
| 01:27.11 | streuner_ | romano2k: using "ar" or dpkg |
| 01:27.19 | ksnp | ok |
| 01:27.25 | streuner_ | romano2k: or just use "mc" |
| 01:27.34 | romano2k | streuner_: i ask you because "dpkg --unpack" gives an error too |
| 01:27.36 | ksnp | cool, the actual permissions then are just like usual ? |
| 01:27.37 | \amethyst | ksnp: you need to control the file permissions if you want to control who can access the contents once it's mounted |
| 01:27.40 | romano2k | i'll try with ar or mc |
| 01:27.44 | \amethyst | ksnp: well, fuse is a little special |
| 01:28.02 | ksnp | \amethyst, so once i mount it i can use it as a regular linux dir ? |
| 01:28.09 | streuner_ | romano2k: man dpkg | grep extract |
| 01:28.19 | ksnp | and the permissions of the .dir and dir can be different ? once i mount encrypted .dir to dir ? |
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| 01:28.46 | \amethyst | ksnp: it depends on what the underlying filesystem is, and whether the fuse driver supports chmod etc |
| 01:28.58 | romano2k | streuner_: thank u |
| 01:29.06 | \amethyst | ksnp: I don't know about encfs |
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| 01:29.41 | ksnp | ok |
| 01:29.58 | \amethyst | ksnp: but I know that fuse by default hides user-mounted fses from other users |
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| 01:30.03 | \amethyst | ksnp: as a security measure |
| 01:30.22 | \amethyst | ksnp: there's a mount option you can give to change that I think |
| 01:31.11 | \amethyst | ksnp: -o allow_other I think |
| 01:31.23 | \amethyst | ksnp: some fuse drivers might do that by default, I don't know |
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| 01:32.45 | romano2k | streuner_: it worked after i restored the config file! |
| 01:33.09 | streuner_ | good work |
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| 01:37.07 | streuner_ | just remember mwilson, and that direct orders arent much helpful in order to learn things.... |
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| 01:37.53 | streuner_ | mwilson always tried to make people learn, i think he wasnt that wrong |
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| 01:41.46 | romano2k | do you know if i can use a global /etc/procmailrc instead of the ~/.procmailrc |
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| 01:42.28 | streuner_ | well, the last thing is to influence the mail account of the user |
| 01:42.48 | streuner_ | i have no idea what /etc/procmailrc should at all |
| 01:42.54 | streuner_ | do* |
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| 01:45.15 | streuner_ | romano2k: How about to read man procmailrc? :-P |
| 01:45.29 | romano2k | streuner_: sorry you're right! :) |
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| 01:47.05 | streuner_ | SYNOPSIS |
| 01:47.05 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.10 | ksnp | is there a way to assume the user:group credentials of some user who is not allowed to login and try out things wrt permissions ? |
| 01:47.23 | streuner_ | seems not to be a global thingie... |
| 01:48.24 | Vasistha | ksnp: as root, su username |
| 01:49.22 | Vasistha | ksnp: erm, that didn't work :) hmm, I wonder if su with -c might work |
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| 01:49.52 | Vasistha | ksnp: what do you want to find out, anyway? |
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| 01:54.02 | streuner_ | romano2k: how many users do you have, btw? |
| 01:54.15 | ksnp | Vasistha, i used fuse and encfs to encrypt a dir |
| 01:54.16 | romano2k | streuner_: one! :p |
| 01:54.24 | romano2k | (me) |
| 01:54.32 | streuner_ | romano2k: well, thats easy then :-P |
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| 01:54.51 | ksnp | now my dovecot which was earlier using vmail:vmail credentials to create mail, is not able to chdir with the same user:group - i get error saying permission denied |
| 01:55.12 | ksnp | after doing encfs, i used the exact same permissions as before |
| 01:55.19 | romano2k | streuner_: it's just to have a clean home directory |
| 01:55.36 | romano2k | as i'm using it as a network storage |
| 01:56.06 | ksnp | so virtual_mail1 and virtual_mail (the encrypted / encfs mounted) version have the exact same permission and ownerships, but it doesn't still work |
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| 01:56.42 | ksnp | when i move back to the virtual_mail1 (the working one) it works |
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| 02:14.58 | k]t | success! http://i33.tinypic.com/otn7ms.jpg |
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| 02:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, I'm sure there was some library in debian that would allow reading PDB files in perl or python or whatever it was |
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| 02:17.56 | chewy_ | hello |
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| 02:22.00 | ksnp | any users of encfs/fuse here ? |
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| 02:26.23 | Sergio` | Can I cat a song to /dev/dsp? I only hear noise. |
| 02:26.23 | chewy_ | can I install debian to another partition while running debian? |
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| 02:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have to ask that you probably can't :) |
| 02:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sergio`, your card won't decode mp3... try wav |
| 02:29.37 | ksnp | CutMeOwnThroat, do you use use encfs & fuse ? or any other encryption method ? |
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| 02:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, and then I forget the password and lose all the stuff I copied in there |
| 02:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | encryption sucks |
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| 02:31.19 | ksnp | can you help me with the encfs persmission problem ? |
| 02:31.42 | Vasistha | yeah, I once had to reformat because I forgot my password :P stupidest thing is I remembered it later |
| 02:31.55 | ksnp | in my case i need it cos it protects privacy when there are some disgusting snoopers |
| 02:31.55 | Sergio` | Thanks, it works. |
| 02:32.22 | Vasistha | ksnp: sucky |
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| 02:32.55 | ksnp | i am able to run dovecot with user:group vmail:vmail normally fine, but when i try to do it using encfs dir - with exact same permissions and ownerships i get permissino error |
| 02:32.56 | Vasistha | ksnp: keep in mind if they have root, they could log your xorg keypresses |
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| 02:33.23 | Sergio` | CutMeOwnThroat: I read that snd-pcsp can read ogg and mp3, it's device is /dev/dsp1. It works with wav but how to make it with ogg? |
| 02:33.24 | ksnp | ok, thanks Vasistha. luckily they can't easily |
| 02:33.51 | ksnp | Vasistha, have you used encfs or any other encryption ? |
| 02:34.17 | ksnp | i don't want ideally whole partition or disk encryption just some folders and encfs & fuse seemed a very good method |
| 02:34.26 | ksnp | however i am having permission problems |
| 02:34.29 | Vasistha | ksnp: I've used an encrypted root, and I've manually used an encrypted file-system-in-a-file but I've not used encfs |
| 02:34.57 | ksnp | which s/w did you use ? |
| 02:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sergio`, snd-pcsp... pcsp=pc speaker... so where did you read that... is the document by any chance dated in April? |
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| 02:35.16 | Sergio` | It was in some geocities page. |
| 02:35.24 | Vasistha | ksnp: what's the nature of the privacy attack? Is it someone who is snooping on you online while you are using your system? Or is it someone who has access to your box and snoops your files while you're away? |
| 02:35.43 | ksnp | first is the main one |
| 02:35.51 | Vasistha | ksnp: oh, just losetup, cryptsetup |
| 02:36.02 | ksnp | cryptsetup ? |
| 02:36.28 | ksnp | but i want to encrypt the folder too in case |
| 02:36.31 | Vasistha | ksnp: when you say "first is the main one" you mean someone snooping while you're using the system? |
| 02:36.39 | ksnp | over the network |
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| 02:36.51 | ksnp | disgusting filthy isps |
| 02:36.56 | ksnp | etc. |
| 02:36.59 | ksnp | anyway |
| 02:37.01 | Vasistha | ksnp: and how are they snooping? Because they might be able to see your files while you are accessing them |
| 02:37.22 | ksnp | Vasistha, cryptsetup do only folder encryption ? |
| 02:37.45 | ksnp | Vasistha, yes - i use ssh but still would like to encrypt the folders |
| 02:38.04 | Vasistha | ksnp: I use it for encrypting a whole file system -- but you can use a loopback device to make a file system inside a file, and let that be a whole folder hierarchy |
| 02:38.04 | ksnp | can you tell me if cryptsetup does folder only encryption ? |
| 02:38.19 | ksnp | ok,loopfs stuff ? |
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| 02:38.22 | ksnp | same thing ? |
| 02:38.35 | ksnp | is the performance good ? read/write etc ? |
| 02:38.43 | ksnp | even a 32 bit encryption works for me |
| 02:38.45 | Vasistha | ksnp: I don't really know what else it can be used for; I use it for one thing, and it might be able to do other things. Just read up on it! cryptsetup is a debian package |
| 02:39.19 | Vasistha | ksnp: for a private project, I have an encrypted bootable usb flash drive, and it's a little slow running off a flash drive, but it's not bad |
| 02:39.21 | ksnp | ok, thanks for the tip |
| 02:39.29 | ksnp | ok |
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| 02:39.38 | ksnp | Vasistha, do you also use vsftpd ? |
| 02:39.53 | Vasistha | ksnp: I don't use an ftpd |
| 02:39.57 | ksnp | ok |
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| 02:40.21 | Vasistha | ksnp: I can pastebin a little starter script for you if you like ... I'll have to look for it a little |
| 02:40.31 | ksnp | starter script for cyrtpsetup ? |
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| 02:41.13 | ksnp | for which you mean Vasistha |
| 02:41.24 | supert0nes | will debian with bsd kernel support zfs? |
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| 02:42.16 | Vasistha | ksnp: http://paste.debian.net/48669/ |
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| 02:44.02 | Vasistha | ksnp: those are the notes I took so I don't have to go read manpages again if I want to do the same thing. It took me a lot of researching to figure out how to set all that up. In the end, you'll have an encrypted file, and you can put in a password and mount it on a mount point. Then you can symlink or --bind mount other stuff to it and it works seamlessly. |
| 02:44.23 | Vasistha | ksnp: but again, I mean, I honestly don't know how well this will protect you if people are snooping on your traffic. |
| 02:44.46 | Vasistha | in fact, I'm fairly certain this will do nothing to protect anyone from network connection snooping |
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| 02:45.16 | romano2k | good night everyone! |
| 02:45.21 | ksnp | cool ! thanks |
| 02:45.57 | ksnp | Vasistha, that's fine, i use ssh |
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| 02:49.52 | ksnp | Vasistha, is there an easy way to do this do this command enfs /path/to/file/.xyz /path/to/file/xyz without having to type the full path/to/file ? |
| 02:50.06 | jetscreamer | hit tab |
| 02:50.13 | jetscreamer | !autocomplete |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | methinks autocomplete is In many programs, typing a few letters of an argument then hitting the tab key will cause the program to make an educated guess at what you're shooting for. |
| 02:50.20 | ksnp | i am already in the path dir |
| 02:50.49 | Vasistha | ksnp: oh, but enfs needs an absolute path? you can use $(realpath .xyz) |
| 02:50.53 | ksnp | i meant without using tab, directly using pwd |
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| 02:51.05 | ksnp | yes encfs does ok, cool |
| 02:51.36 | ksnp | realpath not found |
| 02:51.48 | ksnp | echo $(realpath mail) |
| 02:51.49 | ksnp | -bash: realpath: command not found |
| 02:52.02 | ksnp | let me see if that's a package or somethign |
| 02:52.06 | Vasistha | it is |
| 02:52.16 | ksnp | ok, getting it |
| 02:54.00 | ksnp | wonder if ther is a way to call encfs with the password automatically upton reboot |
| 02:54.07 | Vasistha | it's a good one, I think it oughtta be included with a base install ... along with less. Happily, I believe nano now is. |
| 02:54.26 | Vasistha | "upton"? |
| 02:54.35 | ksnp | upon |
| 02:55.56 | Vasistha | ksnp: I guess I don't understand your question. |
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| 02:56.15 | ksnp | basically i want to mount the encfs automatically upon reboot |
| 02:56.25 | ksnp | without having to enter the password, wonder if that would be possible |
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| 02:56.53 | ksnp | i'll search on that |
| 02:56.58 | ksnp | should be lot of pages on it |
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| 02:57.05 | Vasistha | ksnp: doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of encrypting? |
| 02:59.06 | Vasistha | ksnp: if you want the system to do that, you're going to have to store the password on the hard drive, and the location where you store it is going to be referenced in your startup scripts, so anyone who has access to your hard drive could just look that stuff up and decrypt your stuff. OTOH if you put your password on a usb key that you keep physically secure, that could work. |
| 03:00.05 | ksnp | Vasistha, i know it does |
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| 03:00.22 | ksnp | Vasistha, i'll use this method when i know its fine, but not when it is not |
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| 03:10.03 | Shadowless_egg1 | debian related install question |
| 03:10.11 | Shadowless_egg1 | dd worked except i cant put the iso in |
| 03:10.18 | Shadowless_egg1 | it keeps asking me to format it |
| 03:10.32 | Shadowless_egg1 | can i copy the iso first then do dd? |
| 03:11.01 | wols | dd for what? |
| 03:11.12 | Shadowless_egg1 | dd for windows |
| 03:11.28 | Shadowless_egg1 | and no one knows in #windows |
| 03:11.46 | wols | what has dd, especially for windows to do with installing? |
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| 03:11.59 | Shadowless_egg1 | >_> |
| 03:12.19 | adb | !debian.exe |
| 03:12.19 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 03:12.56 | Shadowless_egg1 | im not trying to do this on windows |
| 03:13.04 | Shadowless_egg1 | im trying to do this on a powerpc mac |
| 03:13.12 | Shadowless_egg1 | while creating the bootable usb on windows |
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| 03:14.53 | dkr | Shadowless_egg1: the dos equivalent to dd is rawwrite.exe - or it was when I last needed it, uhm, a decade ago |
| 03:14.56 | wols | you are trying to do it on windows, which we don't know anything about. how about using a nice little linux live CD for it? |
| 03:15.05 | adb | Shadowless_egg1, why changed the nick and channel ? (was USB_PPC ) |
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| 03:16.16 | Shadowless_egg1 | lol |
| 03:16.26 | Shadowless_egg1 | i guess ill try this |
| 03:16.41 | Shadowless_egg1 | put the iso on then run dd |
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| 03:19.16 | adb | Shadowless_egg1, which exactly ppc you get ? |
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| 03:21.39 | ksnp | Vasistha, do u run apache2 too |
| 03:22.16 | Shadowless_egg1 | ? |
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| 03:23.01 | adb | !u |
| 03:23.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:24.30 | adb | Shadowless_egg1, which ppc name , type , model ? |
| 03:25.25 | Shadowless_egg1 | it's an imac g4 |
| 03:25.42 | Shadowless_egg1 | that's about all i really know |
| 03:26.54 | adb | http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html |
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| 03:30.53 | ksnp | any encfs/fuse users here ? (i am getting permission denied problem) |
| 03:33.35 | ekontsevoy | Is there a way to make 'top' command show me full command line parameters of the running processes? |
| 03:34.38 | adb | Shadowless_egg1, are you sure that your "imac g4" may boot from USB stick ? |
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| 03:41.15 | Rusty1 | ekontsevoy: man htop |
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| 03:54.04 | DeathWolf | mmm |
| 03:54.26 | DeathWolf | does anyone if anyone has ever build mount.smb2/mount.cifs2 for a vanilla debian kernel? |
| 03:57.28 | adb | !mmm |
| 03:57.28 | dpkg | mmm beer |
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| 04:21.06 | ekontsevoy | Rusty1: I don't have root on that box and I can't install htop |
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| 04:21.14 | ekontsevoy | thanks though |
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| 04:29.17 | wols | ekontsevoy: why would you need root priviledges for that? |
| 04:29.17 | wols | just unpack it in your ~ |
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| 04:30.12 | abrotman | waves at wols |
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| 04:34.33 | marh | is there a way to access a single _running_ x program via ssh -X or xdmcp or something? |
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| 04:37.39 | abrotman | vnc? |
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| 04:39.44 | \amethyst | in particular x11vnc or vino, not vncserver |
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| 04:46.36 | marh | abrotman, \amethyst ah, thanks for the hint |
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| 04:46.47 | marh | you know off the top of your head _how_? ;) |
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| 04:47.35 | marh | manpage of ssvncviewer is helpful: lists under "UltraVNC Extensions": "Single Window Ultravnc ext. Grab and view a single window." - but not how one uses it |
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| 04:52.40 | marh | ah sorry.. i was just blind, it's right there |
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| 05:03.59 | Csow | anyone got a pointer to prepare for the LPI 3 exams |
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| 05:14.21 | Stargazer | Anyone know the name of the package that deals with NVidia resolutions and xorg? |
| 05:15.08 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 05:15.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 05:18.36 | Caelum | how do I make konqueror use the ff flash plugin |
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| 05:22.17 | k]t | caelum: you'd be better off downloading the flash plugin from adobe and defining it withing konqueror |
| 05:22.41 | k]t | s/withing/within/ |
| 05:22.52 | k]t | =) |
| 05:23.21 | Caelum | k]t: thhat's what I have, how do I tell konqueror about it? |
| 05:25.29 | k]t | if i remember correctly you put the .so file it generates in /usr/share/"browser"/plugins |
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| 05:28.42 | k]t | excuse me, that is /usr/lib |
| 05:29.16 | k]t | so extract the tarball then place the .so file in /usr/lib/"browser"/plugins and that should do it... |
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| 05:31.02 | k]t | if not try gnash (which wasn't too reliable for me) |
| 05:31.09 | Caelum | yeah gnash is crap |
| 05:31.18 | Caelum | so is swfdec |
| 05:31.29 | Caelum | they used to be less crap |
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| 05:31.38 | Caelum | but now, bleh |
| 05:32.04 | Stargazer | I have a 1600x1200 resolution when i need a 1366x768 resolution. how do i change it (aside from Screen Resolution under System > Pref) |
| 05:32.06 | k]t | well did you try the debian release package of adobe-flash (should be .deb) from the adobe site? |
| 05:32.40 | k]t | actually its ubuntu but works accordingly with dpkg. |
| 05:32.47 | Caelum | k]t: I have the flashplugin-nonfree package installed |
| 05:32.55 | k]t | well does it work? |
| 05:33.09 | Caelum | Stargazer: ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 05:33.18 | Caelum | k]t: not with konqueror |
| 05:33.24 | k]t | =( |
| 05:33.32 | Caelum | I don't have a /usr/lib/konqueror |
| 05:33.35 | Caelum | for some reason |
| 05:33.53 | Stargazer | Caelum, all that does is zoom into where the arrow/pointer is or go back to full res. |
| 05:34.25 | Caelum | Stargazer: then you have resolutions wrong in xorg.conf |
| 05:34.31 | Caelum | or something |
| 05:34.33 | Stargazer | Yardur... |
| 05:34.34 | k]t | caelum: well google seems to have quite a few pages about it... |
| 05:34.54 | Arrowmaster | Stargazer: nvidia-settings |
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| 05:36.51 | Stargazer | I don't have that, Arrowmaster. |
| 05:37.23 | Arrowmaster | install it |
| 05:37.48 | Stargazer | No, like "not in the list"- don't have that. |
| 05:38.03 | Arrowmaster | judd versions nvidia-settings |
| 05:38.04 | judd | Arrowmaster: nvidia-settings -- etch/contrib: 1.0+20060516-3 lenny/contrib: 173.14.09-1 sid/contrib: 185.18.31-1 squeeze/contrib: 185.18.31-1 |
| 05:38.47 | Caelum | shouldn't konqueror be loading my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins automatically? |
| 05:38.54 | Arrowmaster | then you must not have contrib sources, which makes me wonder how you even got the rest of the nvidia packages |
| 05:38.55 | Caelum | if I have konqueror-nsplugins installed |
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| 05:40.14 | k]t | Caelum: you use kde? |
| 05:41.02 | Stargazer | Arrowmaster, i net installed. |
| 05:41.16 | Caelum | k]t: I use a bit of gnome |
| 05:41.19 | Stargazer | About an hour ago. |
| 05:41.47 | k]t | cool |
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| 05:42.17 | Neo_The_User | why was the realtek RTL8169 taken out of the amd64 daily build installer? |
| 05:42.22 | Caelum | I guess the government doesn't want me to watch youtube videos in konqueror |
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| 05:42.40 | Neo_The_User | anyways... might wanna put that back in. since this channel isnt helpful.. im just gunna go. plz fix it. thanks. |
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| 05:44.24 | \amethyst | wow, he waited a whole 22 seconds |
| 05:44.45 | k]t | ? |
| 05:45.13 | Caelum | ah cool, now it works |
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| 05:45.27 | \amethyst | Neo_The_User came in, asked why support was dropped for a particular network card, then 22 seconds later said "this channel isnt helpful" and left |
| 05:45.38 | \amethyst | k]t: if that ? was for me |
| 05:46.11 | Caelum | maybe because I ran 'nspluginscan' |
| 05:46.17 | k]t | \amethyst: yes it was. |
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| 06:01.07 | Stargazer | Thanks, Arrowmaster. it'd been a while since i used linux; i had forgotten to enable those other repos. |
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| 06:01.26 | xhairball | Stargazer: Use xrandr instead. Just type 'xrandr' to see the valid modes. |
| 06:01.39 | Stargazer | o.o |
| 06:01.47 | Stargazer | You're a bit late. ;p |
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| 06:08.48 | Stargazer | quickly blames G_O_D for all of this. |
| 06:09.07 | k]t | lolz |
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| 06:12.23 | _Techie_ | can i use the netinst cd for lenny to do an offline base install? |
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| 06:13.27 | Stargazer | _Techie_, you have to have a connection for a net install. :| |
| 06:13.59 | sepult | if the base packages are already on the netinst cd yes |
| 06:14.09 | sepult | if not no |
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| 06:15.34 | _Techie_ | sepult, according to the descripton of the netinst cd it does but i cant see where to diasble the download feature |
| 06:16.14 | Stargazer | Or the part where it tries to detect the network. |
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| 06:17.47 | sepult | Stargazer: ah ok sorry but i have a newer dvd i think, and maybe |
| 06:17.47 | sepult | you have to just read in the manual in your cd |
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| 06:22.28 | jony123_ | Hey i was wondering if it would be possible to route all audio through another computer. |
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| 06:23.04 | _Techie_ | jony123_ , yep read up on pulse audio |
| 06:23.20 | jony123_ | _Techie_: Thanks |
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| 06:26.47 | cpt | Hello, everybody, please tell me how can I know the UUID of any partition? |
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| 06:26.54 | kripz | how do i check which disks are in my LVM> |
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| 06:28.27 | adb | cpt, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 06:29.19 | cpt | this may work if the patition is mounted, and if itisn't? |
| 06:29.49 | pyroos | find ~ -name "engine.java" -print 2> /dev/null |
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| 06:32.40 | cpt | by this, I can look uuid in the fstab, but i have removed uuid in this file, how can i get uuid? |
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| 06:33.24 | Kvant | with blkid |
| 06:33.45 | cpt | Kvant, in details... |
| 06:33.57 | Kvant | ? |
| 06:34.03 | adb | cpt, ruuning debian ? |
| 06:34.14 | adb | cpt, running* debian ? |
| 06:34.15 | kripz | I just expanded my RAID5 volume, how come LVM cannot see the extra space? http://pastebin.com/m5b21179a |
| 06:34.25 | cpt | no, debian-like |
| 06:34.38 | adb | so go ask > debian-like |
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| 06:49.52 | OpenTokix | kringalf: you have to tell lvm to add the added pv to the vg |
| 06:49.56 | OpenTokix | *gonee* |
| 06:53.27 | k]t | any good pages about storage hd's |
| 06:54.03 | k]t | wait, bad question... |
| 06:56.46 | sylar | does esd allow to compress the sound possibly reducing quality for network efficiency? |
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| 07:34.37 | echosystm | can someoen recommend a good ftp client ? |
| 07:34.54 | dutchfish | echosystm, commandline or gui? |
| 07:35.02 | echosystm | doesnt need to be a gui program, but it MUST remember passwords |
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| 07:35.33 | echosystm | i used to use midnight commander but i have too many passwords to remember now |
| 07:35.35 | dutchfish | echosystm, i use kasablanca sometimes because it does all i need like that |
| 07:35.59 | echosystm | i assume this is a qt app? i would much prefer gtk |
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| 07:37.28 | dutchfish | echosystm, i am mainly on kde ... |
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| 07:39.01 | wols | lftp ncftp |
| 07:39.13 | wols | filezilla |
| 07:39.42 | echosystm | filezilla is great but im allergic to compiling programs from source |
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| 07:39.54 | wols | judd: version filezilla |
| 07:39.55 | judd | wols: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 07:39.55 | echosystm | i hardly use the repo for anything these days :/ |
| 07:40.17 | wols | judd versions filezilla |
| 07:40.18 | judd | wols: filezilla -- etch: 3.0.0~beta2-3 lenny: 3.0.11.1-1 sid: 3.2.7.1-1 squeeze: 3.2.7.1-1 |
| 07:40.29 | wols | so you need to compile what? |
| 07:40.56 | echosystm | the option to not track edited files is disabled in the version in the repo |
| 07:41.05 | echosystm | its only just been updated in the arch repo |
| 07:41.13 | echosystm | i find those windows annoying |
| 07:41.26 | echosystm | "Looks like file X has been edited. Do you want to upload it?" |
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| 07:41.30 | echosystm | NO NO NO NO NO :P |
| 07:41.36 | echosystm | i get a cascade of that, argh |
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| 07:44.18 | heyokha | echosystm, gftp |
| 07:44.18 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, this is a bit OT - but I can't think of the name of a documentary about copyright (it talked mainly about how Disney in effect, changed copyright laws and I remember that Laurence Lessig played a big part in the movie) -- anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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| 07:45.24 | catsup | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2163781/ <-- movies in which lawrence lessig is credited |
| 07:46.04 | mick_laptop | catsup: thanks |
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| 07:47.31 | echosystm | gftp seems decent enough |
| 07:47.38 | echosystm | last time i used it, it was not so good |
| 07:47.41 | echosystm | thanks heyokha |
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| 07:57.39 | fhd | Hi, I'm looking for advice on using the debian mailing lists, I'm new to mailing lists. If multiple people answer me on a question, should I quote/answer to them in one mail or in multiple mails? Will I confuse a client's threading or act rude if I do the former? |
| 07:58.03 | fhd | The former is practically what I'd do in a web forum |
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| 07:59.25 | echosystm | this is what threads are for fhd |
| 07:59.43 | echosystm | follow the threads |
| 07:59.57 | fhd | echosystm: i.e. answer each mail individually? |
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| 08:00.16 | echosystm | yes, or put a reply outside the heirarchy and refer them to it |
| 08:00.35 | fhd | echosystm: okay, thanks |
| 08:00.37 | echosystm | eg. |
| 08:01.12 | echosystm | - original question |
| 08:01.12 | echosystm | -- reply 1 |
| 08:01.12 | echosystm | -- identical reply 2 |
| 08:01.12 | echosystm | - your response to both |
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| 08:01.27 | fhd | :( |
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| 08:01.47 | ultralazer | hosehead |
| 08:02.28 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 08:02.34 | DarkUranium | I have a problem with audio |
| 08:03.06 | DarkUranium | each time I reboot the OS, I have to reconfigure audio settings in alsamixer for IEC958 |
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| 08:03.58 | heroxbd | hey guys. I have a problem: When I "ping hostX" or "ssh hostX" it gives answer, but when I "telnet hostX" or "vncviewer hostX" it says " No Route to Host ". How can I that happen? I am confused. |
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| 08:05.54 | mick_laptop | is the port open? |
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| 08:08.04 | heroxbd | mick_laptop: vnc is open on :5900. "telnet hostX 5900" gives the same error |
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| 08:10.25 | mick_laptop | btw, i found out what the "film" was, it was a presentation @ OSCON |
| 08:10.28 | heroxbd | It is weird: strace ping gives "connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025), sin_addr=inet_addr("172.28.1.180")}, 16) = 0" while strace telnet gives "connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(23), sin_addr=inet_addr("172.28.1.180")}, 16) = -1 EHOSTUNREACH (No route to host)" |
| 08:10.29 | mick_laptop | http://www.archive.org/details/Lessig-Free_Culture |
| 08:11.01 | wols | heroxbd: describe your network setup |
| 08:11.14 | wols | mick_laptop: that's nice and all but OT. tell this someone else |
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| 08:12.20 | heroxbd | wols: err. traceroute hostX gives "(172.28.1.180) 0.243 ms !X 0.229 ms !X 0.213 ms !X" is that a problem? |
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| 08:14.13 | heroxbd | wols: traceroute manpage says !X means "communication administratively prohibited". I don't know the exact network topology :( |
| 08:14.32 | dutchfish | heroxbd, first check you firewall rules |
| 08:14.39 | omid8bimo | http://imgur.com/w3m4f.png :D |
| 08:14.55 | wols | could very well be a firewall in between you and the host forbids the connection |
| 08:15.54 | heroxbd | wols: I firewall on one of the router? ahh.. "telnet hostX 22" works. So maybe the router is filtering the ports? |
| 08:16.23 | dutchfish | heroxbd, ingress rules maybe |
| 08:16.30 | heroxbd | dutchfish: I do the firewall rules on my laptop. |
| 08:16.46 | heroxbd | dutchfish: I do not have the firewall rules on my laptop. |
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| 08:18.17 | heroxbd | So I must use ssh tunnel for vncviewer :( .... |
| 08:18.24 | mee | anyone got any good resources for geting spdif working with linux? I'm 99% sure I've got everything configured properly: audio players think they are playing but my amp isn't seeing a digital signal from the optical spdif output. |
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| 08:18.34 | catsup | a firewall dropping packets shouldn't return that though should it |
| 08:18.40 | catsup | ? |
| 08:18.42 | dutchfish | heroxbd, you better do that yes, vnc is not secure by itself anyway |
| 08:18.47 | DarkUranium | mee: do you use ALSA? |
| 08:18.50 | mee | DarkUranium: yes |
| 08:19.00 | DarkUranium | mee: open up alsamixer |
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| 08:19.06 | mee | yeah, they are unmuted :) |
| 08:19.28 | DarkUranium | mee: it's not that, find IEC958 |
| 08:19.49 | mee | ok |
| 08:19.51 | heroxbd | catsup: I think it simply drop it. |
| 08:20.28 | mee | I have both IEC958 and "IEC958 Default PCM" -- both are unmuted but at 00 (and can't be raiseD) |
| 08:20.31 | Sqyber | is there debian specialy desinged to netbooks ? |
| 08:20.35 | DarkUranium | mee: enable IEC958 (press m to unmute), set the volume to 0 (yes, 0) and set the playback source to PCM |
| 08:21.51 | mee | sadly, they are both already unmuted and set to 0 |
| 08:21.57 | wols | !tell Sqyber about eeepc |
| 08:22.09 | DarkUranium | mee: you don't have an option to set the playback source? |
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| 08:22.23 | mhymn | Sqyber: other than the option for notebook in debian installer? |
| 08:22.31 | mee | I assume unmuting "IEC958 Default PCM" is how you set the playback source to PCM |
| 08:22.35 | mhymn | wols: please read him again |
| 08:22.46 | DarkUranium | mee: ah, sorry - didn't notice the PCM part in the name |
| 08:22.51 | mee | if there is another way to set the playback source, I don't see it |
| 08:23.05 | Sqyber | mhymn: what's the difrence if you select notebook in debian installer ? |
| 08:23.17 | wols | mhymn: then you should have told him simply "no" |
| 08:23.22 | mee | checks that he didn't bump a cable loose |
| 08:23.34 | NeckTie_ | noob here, how do i install a .pm file? |
| 08:23.35 | wols | mhymn: it installs some notebook related software |
| 08:23.47 | DarkUranium | mee: can you check the cable, there should be a red light coming out |
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| 08:24.10 | wols | NeckTie_: what's the file supposed to contain? |
| 08:24.15 | DarkUranium | mee: that would indicate that the PC is, indeed, sending |
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| 08:24.21 | NeckTie_ | wols: ArgvFile |
| 08:24.30 | mhymn | Sqyber: you might want to read the installation notes on debian.org |
| 08:24.34 | DarkUranium | mee: and I think that there's a red light even if there's no audio (there is here, both in Debian and on my Win partition) |
| 08:24.55 | wols | judd versions libgetopt-argvfile-perl |
| 08:24.59 | judd | wols: libgetopt-argvfile-perl -- etch: 1.10-3 lenny: 1.11-1 sid: 1.11-1 squeeze: 1.11-1 |
| 08:25.43 | mhymn | wols: i was just wondering if eeepc factoid can answer his |
| 08:25.57 | mee | hmm, no light (tried both while running speaker-test and not) |
| 08:26.12 | wols | mhymn: better than the debian installer docs for NOTEbooks since netbooks are basically all similar hardware |
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| 08:27.01 | hanshans | hi all! i'm using an external monitor with my laptop, but when closing the laptop-lid the external monitor switches off, too. how to change this setting? |
| 08:27.12 | mhymn | is looking for debian designed for notebooks in eeepc factoid |
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| 08:27.39 | NeckTie_ | wols: thanks, how about Getopt::Long? |
| 08:28.51 | wols | NeckTie_: how about you search for stuff yourself? packages.debian.org is public. there also is a package which the name eludes me at the moment that can download and install perl extensions from their repository automatically |
| 08:29.09 | Andorin | Does anyone here happen to use KoLMafia? I installed icedtea from the repos, then downloaded the .jar file for KoLMafia and extracted... I've got a handful of folders and no idea what to do with them. |
| 08:29.19 | wols | use that only if it's not already packaged |
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| 08:29.35 | DarkUranium | mee: and you're sure ALSA is used for sound output? |
| 08:29.42 | wols | Andorin: why not ask the KoLMafia people? |
| 08:29.49 | mick_laptop | Andorin: you don't extract a jar file, you do: java -jar somefile.jar |
| 08:29.51 | mee | let me double check. |
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| 08:29.53 | NeckTie_ | wols: i can't find it. for what i'm doing, i am given a website that has all i need but they are .pm files. and i don't know how to install those |
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| 08:30.02 | mick_laptop | Andorin: ignore him, he is an asshole |
| 08:30.06 | wols | NeckTie_: you don't |
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| 08:30.16 | mee | what's the name of the program to switch between OSS and ALSA? |
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| 08:30.22 | NeckTie_ | wols: well, what do i do with them? |
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| 08:30.34 | turneralex_ | how does one find out if a particurar driver is installed on a machine? |
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| 08:30.51 | Andorin | mick_laptop: Woah, it's working! Thanks. |
| 08:30.59 | mick_laptop | np |
| 08:31.10 | mee | nm, dpkg reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 08:31.27 | wols | !tell NeckTie_ about cpan |
| 08:31.53 | mee | yes, ALSA is in use |
| 08:31.58 | DarkUranium | mee: hm... |
| 08:32.06 | wols | mick_laptop: better read the channel rules again. thank you |
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| 08:32.55 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: most likely the modules that you want are in cpan. just do `cpan Module::name` to install them. Mind you that those are libraries for perl and that they aren't necessarily programs. What do you really want to do? |
| 08:32.57 | mhymn | wols: my bad, you're right, sorry i bothered you, that's net not note |
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| 08:33.39 | wols | mick_laptop: using simply cpan is not the proper way for debian at all. read the cpan factoid please |
| 08:33.46 | wols | there is a packagemanagement in debian for a reason |
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| 08:34.24 | NeckTie_ | mick_laptop: i want to get this perl script working. http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/01/06/dhyana/ |
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| 08:35.09 | turneralex_ | nvm |
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| 08:36.39 | wols | NeckTie_: locate Long |grep pm |
| 08:36.52 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: ah ok - easy enough |
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| 08:37.56 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: you have two options, one is to use aptitude and search for the packaged cpan modules (those are packaged). i use cpan since much of what i use isn't packaged |
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| 08:39.27 | mick_laptop | the other two requirements are mplayer and imagemagick (you might also need perlmagick) |
| 08:40.27 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: let us know if you have any issues getting it working |
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| 08:42.59 | NeckTie_ | mick_laptop: for Perl Pod::Usage, i would install gmemusage. correct? |
| 08:44.09 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: no |
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| 08:46.26 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: cpan Pod::Usage (if you are hellbent on using apt, it is one of the libpod-* modules, no idea which one it is) |
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| 08:48.03 | NeckTie_ | mick_laptop: i was just confused on how to install using CPAN. but now i see. it installed perfectly, thanks :) |
| 08:48.04 | mick_laptop | or it might be under: perl-modules |
| 08:48.14 | mick_laptop | NeckTie_: no problem |
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| 08:48.49 | mick_laptop | i can't go through the hassle of learning the package name for every module :) |
| 08:48.52 | mee | DarkUranium: Thanks for trying, I am going to bed in hopes elves will fix it while I sleep. It would't be the first time... |
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| 08:49.07 | mee | DarkUranium: actually, I'm going to try tweaking the model=... parameter you can pass to the module first. |
| 08:49.11 | mick_laptop | mee: what was your issue? |
| 08:49.26 | mee | spdif w/ snd_hda_intel |
| 08:49.48 | mick_laptop | oh ya, you'll have better luck w/ elves at this point |
| 08:49.52 | mee | sound card appears to be working, but isn't outputing digitally, despite having IEC958 enabled and 'IEC958 Default PCM' enabled |
| 08:50.04 | mick_laptop | also wants to go to sleep |
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| 08:50.21 | mee | brb, reloading modules the dumb/easy way (reboot) |
| 08:50.50 | mick_laptop | wols: hope you feel better. i know you must have had a long day. |
| 08:51.06 | mick_laptop | and to the rest of you, good night :) |
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| 08:55.21 | mee | intrigue. "hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS..." -- but my card is an ALC889 (!) |
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| 08:56.10 | Newbie16 | hi |
| 08:56.22 | Newbie16 | how can i make debian's startup sequence nicer? i want colours in there |
| 08:56.50 | wedge | Newbie16: the grub boot image? |
| 08:56.59 | Newbie16 | after grub and before the login screen |
| 08:57.11 | wedge | k |
| 08:57.14 | Newbie16 | oh yea, grub2 might have better image support |
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| 08:57.37 | wedge | look at splashutils |
| 08:57.53 | wedge | http://www.bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=1812 for example |
| 08:57.55 | wedge | google around |
| 08:57.57 | maligor | shame the gfxmenu stuff haven't been merged into it |
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| 08:58.36 | maligor | if you just mean bootup text colour, you can change those in the function hooks I guess |
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| 08:59.24 | Newbie16 | maligor: i think its easier to just cover it with a splash screen with a scroll bar |
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| 09:00.22 | Newbie16 | although since debian is released so infrequently i suppose no one cares that much about the startup screen looking slick |
| 09:00.42 | maligor | heh, depends |
| 09:00.52 | maligor | there are the spash boot daemon stuff available |
| 09:01.15 | Newbie16 | maybe debian is too much of a server os to be considered for desktop use |
| 09:01.29 | mischief | it works fine as a desktop |
| 09:01.31 | Newbie16 | by people who want flashy stuff |
| 09:01.59 | maligor | it's just not preconfigured for flashy desktop |
| 09:02.10 | Newbie16 | yea thats true |
| 09:02.31 | Newbie16 | grub2 switched to gfxpayload for the resolution |
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| 09:05.26 | Newbie16 | ooo grub2 has splash images |
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| 09:05.52 | Arrowmaster | works better as a desktop than some other distros imho |
| 09:06.04 | Newbie16 | i use it as my desktop |
| 09:06.09 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 09:06.16 | Newbie16 | but i mean for deployment in an office environment, where image is important |
| 09:06.50 | void_pointer | if you're worried about splash images you are working in the wrong "office environment" ... |
| 09:06.51 | Newbie16 | also we need more new users |
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| 09:07.23 | wols | no "we" don't. Debian and Linux software in general always needs more developers tho |
| 09:07.28 | aum | hi - trying to set up bluetooth under sid - have installed all the major bluetooth packages, but can't find the prog 'hcitool' as mentioned in the howtos - any ideas? |
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| 09:07.39 | Newbie16 | hey wols is back |
| 09:07.43 | maligor | Newbie16, there's actually a patchset that turns grub2 into a fancy menu, it's just not in grub2 trunk |
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| 09:08.13 | wols | aum: what debian version |
| 09:08.16 | aum | wols: latest sid |
| 09:08.19 | Newbie16 | maligor: ah, i'm just trying grub2-splashimages |
| 09:08.21 | aum | as of 2 days ago |
| 09:08.24 | Arrowmaster | why do such fluff patches exist when other stuff doesnt even work in grub2 like dmraid |
| 09:08.32 | wols | aum: that is no version |
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| 09:08.51 | wols | Arrowmaster: could be a grub2 intrinsic feature |
| 09:08.52 | aum | wols: how do i determine the version? |
| 09:08.56 | wols | !version |
| 09:08.57 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 09:09.08 | aum | wols: kernel 2.6.24 |
| 09:09.18 | Arrowmaster | thats not sid |
| 09:09.27 | aum | sid with a non-sid kernel |
| 09:09.36 | wols | oops. overlooked the "sid" part above |
| 09:10.01 | aum | wols: you had me confused for a sec |
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| 09:10.04 | wols | aum: packages.debian.org "search content of packages" |
| 09:10.20 | aum | wols: i've used apt-file, but hcitool still can't be found |
| 09:10.21 | Newbie16 | oh, use apt-file |
| 09:10.38 | Newbie16 | apt-file is awesome, it searches for files too, but you can search as /bin/su rather than just searching for su |
| 09:10.41 | aum | hcitool used to belong to one of the bluetooth packages, but it seems to have been taken away with latest sid |
| 09:10.56 | wols | aum: I do not believe you |
| 09:11.07 | aum | # apt-file update |
| 09:11.10 | Newbie16 | and it searches for just the files in your system, helps when you accidentally destroy half of your system |
| 09:11.11 | aum | # apt-file search hcitool |
| 09:11.12 | aum | # |
| 09:11.32 | ultralazer | g |
| 09:11.35 | wols | aum: I told you where to look. did you? |
| 09:11.36 | Newbie16 | bluez-utils: /usr/bin/hcitool |
| 09:11.45 | wols | Newbie16: that's the old package it was in |
| 09:11.47 | Newbie16 | aum: apt-file update |
| 09:11.55 | aum | Newbie16: i did that already |
| 09:11.58 | wols | Newbie16: he's 1337. he uses sid |
| 09:12.03 | Arrowmaster | its in bluez on sid |
| 09:12.12 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=hcitool |
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| 09:12.30 | aum | is not 1337, /me just likes to use software less than 11 years old |
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| 09:12.49 | Arrowmaster | lenny is only 1 year old |
| 09:13.13 | Arrowmaster | some things in lenny are more recent than things in ubuntu 9.04 |
| 09:13.14 | aum | there's no 'bluez' showing up for my apt |
| 09:13.17 | wols | Arrowmaster: in linux years, this are 66.45 years |
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| 09:13.50 | wols | aum: then your repo is broken. something we already deduced with your missing apt-file search |
| 09:13.59 | aum | oh, shit, found the prob - sick feed |
| 09:14.15 | aum | apt-get updates after commenting out fucked up feed from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:14.42 | wols | seems the fscked up source is your main. better replace it |
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| 09:16.20 | aum | still no package called just 'bluez' - there's 'bluez-[a-z]+ |
| 09:16.44 | aum | ahh, got it now |
| 09:17.11 | Newbie16 | i don't think you have to ever run apt-file update after the first time right? |
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| 09:17.19 | Newbie16 | it seems to update by itself when aptitude updates |
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| 09:17.35 | aum | i don't use aptitude - just cmd line apt-get and sometimes synaptic |
| 09:17.46 | Newbie16 | no, use aptitude its nice |
| 09:17.59 | Arrowmaster | aptitude has a command line too |
| 09:18.20 | Newbie16 | aptitude show bluez-utils tells you its actually a dummy and the new name is bluetooth, and you can aptitude show bluetooth for its info |
| 09:18.31 | Newbie16 | yea aptitude + synaptic |
| 09:18.51 | Arrowmaster | i just use aptitude |
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| 09:19.32 | maligor | there's also blueman that makes some things with bluetooth easy for the desktop user :P |
| 09:20.00 | aum | blueman: Depends: libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.10) but 0.9-1 is to be installed |
| 09:20.18 | maligor | sid, mhm |
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| 09:21.16 | void_pointer | I hate making things easier for the desktop user |
| 09:22.05 | Newbie16 | don't we need desktop users? |
| 09:22.21 | valdyn | void_pointer: guess you dial your mobile phone in asm then |
| 09:22.56 | Arrowmaster | i whistle into my mobile phone to dial |
| 09:22.57 | Newbie16 | without them debian is just a server os, only a very few people will use it, it'll become and endangered distro and die off :( |
| 09:23.06 | void_pointer | of course not. I actually send electrical impulses indicating 1's or 0's |
| 09:23.25 | NeckTie_ | mick_laptop: the script is now working. thanks again :) |
| 09:23.26 | void_pointer | assembler is too high level |
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| 09:23.49 | valdyn | Newbie16: technically debian only needs developers, not "users" |
| 09:24.24 | maligor | yes, users only end up reporting "bugs" and making developers annoyed |
| 09:24.32 | valdyn | right |
| 09:24.38 | Newbie16 | but users are the developers of tomorrow right? |
| 09:24.50 | Newbie16 | if they can't use it on their desktop why would they dev for it? |
| 09:24.56 | ultralazer | Newbie16, Linux is very portable desktop is no where even in the ballpark of linux compatible devices |
| 09:25.03 | ultralazer | even near |
| 09:25.20 | ultralazer | uh |
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| 09:33.05 | Knight9999 | When expected BSD-Kerneres Debian ? |
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| 09:41.35 | brbrbr | warmly greeet everyone |
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| 09:52.13 | paipimenta | I want my first partition to be sized so it ends on the border of a cylinder |
| 09:52.27 | paipimenta | it's not going to start on the border, since it starts in cylinder one, but at sector 63 |
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| 09:59.15 | MadMuppet | how do I mount an external dvd drive? it is a usb device |
| 09:59.20 | jim__ | hi debianers; I have a small question about kvn; I run a Lenny on a Intel i7 machine and when I start kvm, the title of the window does not show QEMU/KVM but only QEMU; following the README.Debian into /usr/share/doc; when kvm runs at full speed, the window title should display QEMU/KVM; I checked the modules and the kvm and kvm-intel ones are loaded and I has read/write access to /dev/kvm; any idea ? |
| 09:59.31 | paipimenta | where do I see where my /home directory mounts? |
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| 09:59.58 | paipimenta | my /dev/vg/lvhome is mounting to /home and I want it to mount to /home/myuser I think |
| 10:00.00 | `lazy | Anyone here got sounds support working on NX Client ? |
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| 10:12.48 | MadMuppet | how do I mount an external dvd drive? it is a usb devicecd |
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| 10:19.12 | paipimenta | hmm.... you don't know which device, right? |
| 10:19.16 | chellomere | can I add an alias to a user name? |
| 10:19.19 | paipimenta | MadMuppet: |
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| 10:19.46 | paipimenta | chellomere: so that you could do what? |
| 10:20.03 | paipimenta | type $username and it would cd to your username's home? |
| 10:20.34 | Newbie16 | bug in splashy, doesn't check to see if /etc/splashy/themes exists before trying to move it for backup |
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| 10:21.03 | optraz | hi, how do i enable a directories in the home directory of users so that the contents inside that dir is able to show in the web browser? |
| 10:21.14 | valdyn | Newbie16: why would it need to check if it exists? |
| 10:21.35 | chellomere | no. the debian gitosis package uses a user named 'gitosis', while my current setup which I'm migrating from uses a user named 'git'. I'd like to use the debian package, not remove and recreate its user, and still be able to use the same username/url (which includes the username) I used before. |
| 10:21.44 | Newbie16 | mv: cannot stat `/etc/splashy/themes': No such file or directory => dpkg error |
| 10:21.52 | valdyn | Newbie16: user error |
| 10:21.56 | Newbie16 | no |
| 10:22.06 | Newbie16 | package error, a fresh install of splashy will error |
| 10:22.18 | MadMuppet | paopimenta:soz been busy .. just got back |
| 10:22.30 | MadMuppet | pai~opimenta:soz been busy .. just got back |
| 10:22.53 | valdyn | Newbie16: splashy ships that file |
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| 10:23.33 | Newbie16 | yea, but it moves the one that was already there: Warning: Old themes directory moved to /etc/splashy/themes.old |
| 10:23.52 | Newbie16 | but it probably didn't check to see if it existed before trying it |
| 10:25.48 | valdyn | optraz: theres the userdir mod |
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| 10:26.58 | MadMuppet | paipimenta: yeah I dont know the device or how to look for it .. I know I have to create a dir in the /media dir for example mkdir /media/dvd and mount the /dev/? to it and write it up in the fstab but I dunno how to find out the name of the device |
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| 10:27.59 | paipimenta | MadMuppet: when this has happened to me, I unplug the device, do a "sudo ls /dev >> unplugged.txt" then plug in your external drive and do a "sudo ls /dev >> plugged.txt" |
| 10:28.08 | paipimenta | if you know how to diff these, that'll tell you right off the bat |
| 10:28.27 | MadMuppet | ah thanks that sounds good:D |
| 10:28.37 | paipimenta | no prob |
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| 10:35.00 | paipimenta | has anyone ever tried moving an LVM partition? |
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| 10:35.05 | nightvisio | what a weird bug |
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| 10:35.23 | nightvisio | with gedit: "auto-paste" |
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| 10:36.25 | ronr1 | hi, I was running a process through a ssh session but a network failure killed the connection, ps aux tells me the process still runs though, is there a way I can 'get' the process again (ie like background it somehow and the foreground it again in my new shell)? |
| 10:36.45 | valdyn | paipimenta: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:37.38 | paipimenta | well, I was trying to move the beginning of my /dev/sda2 partition from cylinder 26 (mid-cylinder) to start at block 6 |
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| 10:38.15 | valdyn | paipimenta: not a problem when lvm is offline |
| 10:38.21 | paipimenta | I've settled for shrinking my filesystems, logical volumes, and physical volume, creating a /dev/sda3 to my lvhome to, and deleting /dev/sda2 to start over |
| 10:38.37 | paipimenta | how can I move the partition from rescue media in busybox? |
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| 10:39.16 | paipimenta | I've pvmoved everything to the very beginning, no gaps |
| 10:39.17 | valdyn | with dd and a temporary storage i guess |
| 10:39.41 | paipimenta | lvhome 0-4351, lvroot 4352-5631, lvswap 5632-5871 |
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| 10:39.52 | paipimenta | that's inside of /dev/sda2 |
| 10:40.00 | paipimenta | everything is on one 60G hd |
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| 10:40.41 | valdyn | paipimenta: youre confusing the hell out of me when you label the wrong things "partition" |
| 10:40.50 | valdyn | paipimenta: lvm has no partitions |
| 10:40.56 | paipimenta | valdyn: never mind |
| 10:41.03 | paipimenta | I don't want to resize an lvm component |
| 10:41.08 | paipimenta | I am not using the wrong vocab |
| 10:41.13 | paipimenta | if you don't know about hard disk stuff, nm |
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| 10:41.34 | paipimenta | I can pvresize and lvresize all I want, but fdisk tells me the same thing |
| 10:41.56 | paipimenta | if you know how to change the start sector of an LVM partition, let me know |
| 10:42.04 | valdyn | paipimenta: pvresize does not affect fdisk at all |
| 10:42.11 | paipimenta | exactlty |
| 10:42.17 | paipimenta | parted doesn't support moving lvm partitions |
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| 10:42.52 | valdyn | paipimenta: parted needs explicit support for whats on a partition its trying to move? |
| 10:42.58 | valdyn | paipimenta: silly.. |
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| 10:43.24 | nachos | hi whats the linux tool to select one line of standard input? provided that standard input is multiple lines of text? |
| 10:43.57 | valdyn | nachos: | tail | head |
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| 10:44.12 | nachos | i see |
| 10:44.29 | lenny-user | isn't lenny supposed to be the stable branch?!? Why would the current lenny kernel use gcc4.1 and be incompatible with the gcc4.3 supplied by default with apt? This means kernel modules compiled with the basic "build-essential" package fail.... In my case, I can't even start lenny anymore after installing nvidia drivers because of this... Is there a simple solution? Or should I just go back to Ubuntu? |
| 10:44.55 | valdyn | lenny-user: what you are saying makes no sense |
| 10:45.13 | lenny-user | valdyn: Exactly. |
| 10:45.20 | valdyn | lenny-user: nvidia drivers do compile fine with both compilers too, you can mix and match 4.1 and 4.3 modules |
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| 10:46.10 | lenny-user | The NVIDIA installer said it wouldn't work, but let me try anyway. It finished, but won't work, just like the installer said. |
| 10:46.59 | valdyn | lenny-user: debians packages override that error |
| 10:47.04 | lenny-user | It gets to starting gdm during boot, and then loses all video (can't even ctrl-alt-f2 to a console) |
| 10:47.08 | valdyn | lenny-user: you can pass an option to the installer to override that too |
| 10:47.32 | lenny-user | It's still running (it shuts down clean with the power button) |
| 10:48.57 | paipimenta | beyond what point does the power button not automatically shut down the system? |
| 10:49.08 | paipimenta | automatically -> instantly |
| 10:49.51 | paipimenta | once I'm in the desktop, it will show a prompt... .even from the command line (before I installed GNOME) it would run through commands before power down |
| 10:50.01 | lenny-user | It doesn't crash. It doesn't instant off, it sends the shutdown signal, and about a minute later it turns it self off |
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| 10:50.36 | paipimenta | lenny-user: this might be helpful for you too... it's obviously not booting past a certain point |
| 10:51.14 | lenny-user | mine is clearly booting past where linux takes over the power button, for me |
| 10:51.55 | valdyn | lenny-user: youre logfiles should have errors then |
| 10:52.30 | lenny-user | Is there a boot parameter I can pass to get it to not start gdm? |
| 10:52.32 | valdyn | lenny-user: your nvidia installers could be spread around on horribly fucked up way if you used different versions of nvidias installer |
| 10:52.42 | valdyn | lenny-user: thereres the rescue mode |
| 10:52.46 | lenny-user | Unless I can stop it from starting GDM, I can't boot into it |
| 10:53.30 | lenny-user | valdyn : not different versions of installer |
| 10:53.45 | lenny-user | it's only had debian for a week, and is almost fresh |
| 10:54.15 | lenny-user | and only one attempt at the current nvidia drivers (the one that officially supports my chipset) |
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| 10:55.32 | paipimenta | go into rescue mode, read the logs.... |
| 10:56.41 | lenny-user | I'm trying to find out how to start rescue mode. It's a custom grub, not the default installer's version. There's no rescue item in it at all. I need the kernel parameters to start it |
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| 11:00.31 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 11:04.38 | lenny-user | paipimenta: I can't find a rescue mode for an installed system, only when booting from install media. This laptop has no CD, I installed with a netinst. |
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| 11:05.24 | nachos | my problem still isnt fixed since last night =[ |
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| 11:05.28 | paipimenta | lenny-user: shitty |
| 11:05.49 | paipimenta | nachos: first of all, |
| 11:06.00 | paipimenta | tail and head give you the first or last 10 lines of output, respectively |
| 11:06.07 | paipimenta | errr, head tail first last |
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| 11:06.10 | nachos | oh its not that thats fine paipimenta |
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| 11:07.20 | paipimenta | nachos: well, I've only seen you say two things in here, ask about that, and say thanks |
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| 11:07.42 | renton_ | yesterday i did an update to debian squeeze (it was a update about 5 days) and network manager disappeared... any idea? |
| 11:07.44 | nachos | paipimenta: you are not the only one here :) |
| 11:07.46 | paipimenta | lenny-user: static HD? |
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| 11:08.30 | paipimenta | well, I've been in here for an hour and ahalf.... if you asked before that, people who have been in here for 8 hours might want a refresher too |
| 11:08.45 | renton_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.46 | paipimenta | I don't think you're gonna get spam kicked |
| 11:09.04 | nachos | :) |
| 11:09.22 | nachos | on another note, is it possible to get the right/left id of a connected peer in openswan? |
| 11:09.24 | lenny-user | paipimenta: Static HD? Meaning I can't remove it from the laptop? I suppose I could, But I can't see how it would help. I don't have a machine with sata to put it in... |
| 11:09.29 | nachos | ie, my iphone. |
| 11:09.30 | paipimenta | no, flash |
| 11:09.59 | paipimenta | so it's not static state, it's magnetic |
| 11:10.05 | lenny-user | Well then, I answered the actual question anyway, even though I didn't understand ;) |
| 11:10.13 | renton_ | how can i manually run network manager ?? |
| 11:10.57 | renton_ | i thought it was NetworkManager but it isn't |
| 11:11.02 | lenny-user | paipimenta: "static state"? Don't you mean "solid state"? |
| 11:11.04 | renton_ | and on my squeeze it disappeared |
| 11:11.35 | paipimenta | lenny-user: there you go |
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| 11:12.12 | paipimenta | hmmm... i found something called parted magic to boot into, takes less time than my ubuntu DVD rescue mode, but I had to burn to CD.... it's 83 meg |
| 11:12.50 | paipimenta | can't you exit out into some prompt and troubleshoot? what has worked? |
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| 11:17.54 | Crazy_Hopper | hi, could anybody give me a hint on how to form the package version string with the following data: package name, upstream base version, upstream rcs revision number, and debian revision number? |
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| 11:22.08 | mhymn | Crazy_Hopper: not sure but there could be some info in debian policy manual, and maybe try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 11:22.40 | Crazy_Hopper | ok, thanks |
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| 11:26.14 | lenny-user | paipimenta: I have been unable to get any working video. The system is clearly running underneath ( I can ctrl-alt-f2 + login + shutdown successfully). But I can't see anything after gdm first starts. |
| 11:26.49 | paipimenta | so just ctrl+alt+f7 is down? |
| 11:27.08 | paipimenta | all black? |
| 11:27.13 | paipimenta | or grey? |
| 11:27.29 | mhymn | Crazy_Hopper: btw i found this from debian multimedia repo, might be also helpful -> mplayer_1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1_i386.deb |
| 11:28.08 | lenny-user | black, on all consoles (including f7) |
| 11:28.45 | lenny-user | I'm booted into puppylinux from usb flash now. Which log do you think would be most useful to look at? |
| 11:29.58 | paipimenta | oh, blind login and shutdown? |
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| 11:30.10 | paipimenta | yeah... I've had to pull that on my cellphone sometimes |
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| 11:30.53 | wols | lenny-user: boot from CD and rectify the situation then. then check if your kernel module loads well enough, what X logs say, etc |
| 11:31.09 | wols | lenny-user: kernel log and X logs |
| 11:31.12 | JohnWayne | lenny-user: boot from CD and rectify the situation then. then check if your kernel module loads well enough, what X logs say, etc |
| 11:31.17 | JohnWayne | lenny-user: kernel log and X logs |
| 11:31.37 | lenny-user | wols, JohnWayne : You missed the problem with that: No cd drive. |
| 11:31.50 | JohnWayne | wols, JohnWayne : You missed the problem with that: No cd drive. |
| 11:32.01 | paipimenta | my computer is a Compaq Presario 6000.... but there are 4 6000 types, any commands that might give me some stats on comp? |
| 11:32.11 | JohnWayne | my computer is a Compaq Presario 6000.... but there are 4 6000 types, any commands that might give me some stats on comp? |
| 11:32.12 | wols | lenny-user: you used puppy successfully. that'll do |
| 11:32.30 | wols | paipimenta: lshw, cat /proc/cpuinfo etc |
| 11:32.34 | JohnWayne | lenny-user: you used puppy successfully. that'll do |
| 11:32.40 | JohnWayne | paipimenta: lshw, cat /proc/cpuinfo etc |
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| 11:32.43 | wols | !ops please remove JohnWayne |
| 11:32.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: please remove JohnWayne |
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| 11:33.16 | paipimenta | somebody boot JohnWayne, I forgot how |
| 11:33.28 | wols | you can't unless you have ops |
| 11:33.34 | JohnWayne | somebody boot JohnWayne, I forgot how |
| 11:33.36 | paipimenta | there's an ops commands |
| 11:33.37 | JohnWayne | you can't unless you have ops |
| 11:33.40 | JohnWayne | there's an ops commands |
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| 11:34.01 | Arrowmaster | hes in #git too |
| 11:34.08 | JohnWayne | hes in #git too |
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| 11:34.32 | wols | I guess we need to ask an oper |
| 11:34.40 | JohnWayne | I guess we need to ask an oper |
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| 11:35.47 | paipimenta | alright!! |
| 11:36.14 | paipimenta | had to google it, but it took me how to kick irc "!ops" site:ubuntu.com to find it |
| 11:36.21 | lenny-user | Both the xorg log and kernel log look clean ( no errors). It's clearly NOT what I originally thought (you were right paipimenta, the module loads without error). I'm considering replacing xorg.conf with the backup. Sound like it's worth a shot? |
| 11:36.48 | paipimenta | what initiated this? not since install, right? |
| 11:36.54 | wols | can you pastebin the X log? |
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| 11:38.18 | lenny-user | sure. oh, wait. my wireless doesn't work in puppy (I need to compile a special patched module for it, and I haven't yet.) |
| 11:38.26 | forthelulz | sure. oh, wait. my wireless doesn't work in puppy (I need to compile a special patched module for it, and I haven't yet.) |
| 11:38.28 | wols | lenny-user: could it be that the driver outputs to the wrong dvi connector? |
| 11:38.36 | forthelulz | lenny-user: could it be that the driver outputs to the wrong dvi connector? |
| 11:38.39 | lenny-user | wols |
| 11:38.48 | lenny-user | I think that's quite possible |
| 11:38.50 | forthelulz | wols |
| 11:38.53 | forthelulz | I think that's quite possible |
| 11:38.56 | wols | lenny-user: just disable gdm on bootup in your debian, then boot in debian and use irssi for #debian |
| 11:39.04 | forthelulz | just disable gdm on bootup in your debian, then boot in debian and use irssi for #debian |
| 11:39.08 | wols | solves all your worries and you don't need to use icky puppy linux :P |
| 11:39.21 | forthelulz | solves all your worries and you don't need to use icky puppy linux :P |
| 11:40.38 | paipimenta | /cs k somenick [kick reason blah] //for all you noobs |
| 11:40.38 | paipimenta | damn, I think I'd rather have penis enlargment ad spam than that crap |
| 11:40.38 | paipimenta | at least you can read between the ads easily |
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| 11:41.07 | wols | paipimenta: sorry to say but the newbie is you. this won't work unless you have ops in the channel. which you don't |
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| 11:41.17 | wols | you can /ignore a user, but that won't kick him |
| 11:41.34 | paipimenta | :-( |
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| 11:41.46 | paipimenta | how can I see who klined him? |
| 11:42.03 | wols | no you can't. oper ways are mysterious and dangerous to nose into :) |
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| 11:42.24 | wols | I asked for it in #freenode and they did. that's all I can say |
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| 11:42.35 | paipimenta | is that advice transferrable to an op-to-be? |
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| 11:42.59 | wols | it works on this network. if your complaint about a user is justifued |
| 11:43.21 | wols | in this case, the moron spammed #freenode too. which is of course an exceptionally fast way to get k-lined |
| 11:43.23 | paipimenta | ops are needed, it's not like it's a position no one fills |
| 11:43.29 | paipimenta | ops die, so positions open up |
| 11:43.32 | paipimenta | :-) |
| 11:43.40 | wols | paipimenta: are you a dd? |
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| 11:44.07 | wols | to get ops in here, I'd say you need to hang around 5+ years or so. |
| 11:44.11 | paipimenta | designated driver? |
| 11:44.17 | wols | !dd |
| 11:44.17 | dpkg | methinks dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD |
| 11:44.21 | rgr | There's normally a couple of people here more than willing to throw their weight around and ban people for minor misdemeanours. |
| 11:44.22 | pro-rsoft | hrm... looks like freenode staff has op rights here, so they could intervene when there are no ops around |
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| 11:45.02 | paipimenta | as there are people dumb enough to spam, troll, and send duplicating bots |
| 11:45.05 | wols | pro-rsoft: they don't. well opers have rights on the whole network, but they are VERY reluctant to use their powers in channel unless there is clear network abuse going on |
| 11:45.16 | paipimenta | no, not a deb dev |
| 11:45.44 | pro-rsoft | wols, hm, you have a point there |
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| 11:45.57 | paipimenta | shoot, not even familiar with dd if=/foo of=dev yet.... was gonna maybe use it to move my LVM partition around |
| 11:46.58 | paipimenta | is it so outrageous to talk about moving an LVM partition? are there so many people who misspeak about lvs, pvs, and vgs that no one can rationally talk about the possibilities and difficulties of moving and resizing your /dev/sda with a Linux LVM on it? |
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| 11:48.55 | fasoli | i miss the good old days with good HOWTO documents :) |
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| 11:50.54 | paipimenta | fasoli: there used to be GOOD howto's?? |
| 11:51.22 | fasoli | excellent! |
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| 11:51.54 | fhd | Hi. Am I the only one getting bounces from mms.mycricket.com on the debian-user mailing list? It's quite annoying. |
| 11:51.54 | paipimenta | people just don't dive into a command as deep today.... they come up for air too quickly |
| 11:51.58 | wols | distros got better and alleviated the need for howtos |
| 11:52.04 | paipimenta | well, there's so much more "stuff" now |
| 11:52.13 | wols | that too |
| 11:52.14 | fasoli | i still remember the PPP howto |
| 11:52.39 | paipimenta | alleviating the need for howtos, but also spreading resources thin like one packet of jelly on two pieces of toast |
| 11:54.46 | fasoli | it depends on whether the gurus want to share the knowledge or force you to use their automated tools |
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| 11:57.38 | paipimenta | ugh... I downloaded a BIOS update, but it's an .exe I have to run to get files to copy to my floppy |
| 11:57.46 | paipimenta | first step: wine? |
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| 11:59.32 | simplechat | Hey, any recommendations for a load testing tool? |
| 11:59.36 | simplechat | for websites? |
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| 12:00.15 | lenny-user | paipimenta: maybe try renaming it .zip and try opening it with xarchiver or other such app? |
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| 12:03.25 | wols | paipimenta: man dosbox |
| 12:03.38 | wols | as for renaming to any extension: we don't run windows here... |
| 12:03.49 | paipimenta | no manual entry for dosbox |
| 12:04.02 | paipimenta | nm |
| 12:04.03 | wols | paipimenta: then I guess you better search your repo for it |
| 12:04.17 | wols | unless it's a windows binary of course, then wine would be better I guess |
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| 12:04.58 | paipimenta | will dosbox help me format a floppy? |
| 12:05.19 | wols | paipimenta: why would it need to? |
| 12:05.36 | Newbie16 | does anyone know how do add windows to grub2? |
| 12:05.48 | paipimenta | how do I format a floppy? I'm not seeing floppy as a command, didn't apt-get this time |
| 12:05.55 | Newbie16 | i'm struggling to find any documentation for grub2 |
| 12:06.13 | paipimenta | !dualboot |
| 12:06.14 | dpkg | you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive |
| 12:06.15 | wols | Newbie16: the migration from grub to grub2 did it automatically for my windows partition |
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| 12:06.40 | Newbie16 | wols: can i have a pastebin of it, mine wasn't added |
| 12:06.42 | wols | Newbie16: as far as I could see there is none in debian. but then, grub2 is only in sid |
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| 12:07.02 | wols | tbh I don't even know where grub2 keeps its config :) |
| 12:07.51 | Newbie16 | its in /etc/grub.d/ as separate files |
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| 12:09.18 | Newbie16 | ok maybe not that |
| 12:09.21 | paipimenta | wow, how do I get this floppy drive that shows up in Nautilus to accept my floppy image file I'm dragging onto it |
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| 12:09.57 | Newbie16 | is it an image as in png or image as in floppy.img that you want written? |
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| 12:10.28 | wols | Newbie16: http://paste.debian.net/48686/ from /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 12:12.15 | fhd | If the program "wxMaxima" is not under the menu catogories "Science" or "Education" in lenny - would that justify a bug report or would that be nit picking? (Or both?) |
| 12:12.16 | wols | I don't see anything for windows in /etc/grub.d btw |
| 12:12.30 | Newbie16 | its not in 40_custom? |
| 12:13.21 | wols | http://paste.debian.net/48687/ is my 40_custom |
| 12:13.44 | wols | fhd: in what category is it? if it's in none it's probably a bug. a very small one but a bug |
| 12:13.45 | paipimenta | image, like FDE046.144 |
| 12:14.05 | paipimenta | dos image boot file, I guess |
| 12:14.09 | wols | paipimenta: use dd then |
| 12:14.17 | paipimenta | woo hoo! |
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| 12:14.56 | fhd | wols: it's in "Application:Math". Not too wrong, but IIRC, it is in "Application;Science;Education;Math" on my testing box, which properly orderes it into the "Science" submenu, not under "Other" where it is in lenny |
| 12:15.50 | wols | fhd: for stable they won't change it anymore I think, and since it's in the proper place for testing a bugreport won't help imho |
| 12:16.04 | fhd | wols: okay, I'll just change it myself then, thanks :) |
| 12:17.38 | fhd | wols: it also specifies it's icon incorrectly, but that's quite minor too |
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| 12:18.07 | wols | both are cosmetic bugs, something they won't fix in stable imho |
| 12:18.14 | wols | if the icon is wrong in squeeze, report it |
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| 12:19.01 | fhd | wols: okay. I've got no working squeeze box atm, but I'll just look at the package |
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| 12:25.38 | haitike | h |
| 12:25.39 | haitike | hi |
| 12:25.58 | fhd | wols: yeah, it's already fixed in a backport package |
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| 12:26.05 | Kai4711 | hi guys i am trying to install the kernel header files of my brand new debian lenny via apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) but it tells me that it cannot find kernel-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 12:26.19 | paipimenta | hmm.... mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock |
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| 12:26.26 | Kai4711 | the sources.list is the standard list as installed by the netinst iso |
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| 12:27.02 | abrotman | Kai4711: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 12:27.05 | haitike | i have installed debian (i installed it last times a lot of months ago) i havent xorg.conf |
| 12:27.08 | haitike | its normal? |
| 12:27.10 | fhd | speaking of backports, can someone explain to me why I can find (when searching) and install packages from the lenny backports without specifying -t lenny-backports? I find that disturbing |
| 12:27.33 | streuner__ | haitike: sure |
| 12:27.45 | haitike | there arent xorg.conf now? |
| 12:27.49 | haitike | where i see the conf? |
| 12:28.01 | streuner__ | usually its there |
| 12:28.12 | Kai4711 | abrotman: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:28.21 | haitike | i have seen in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and there isnt |
| 12:28.27 | paipimenta | if I can't read superblock trying to mount floppy, did I need to do something else first? |
| 12:28.33 | streuner | ok, just install xorg |
| 12:28.40 | haitike | and i do dpkg-reconfigure xord and dont create the file |
| 12:28.45 | haitike | *xorg |
| 12:29.18 | streuner | haitike: /msg dpkg install x |
| 12:29.26 | abrotman | Kai4711: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:29.35 | abrotman | should have just read the whole question |
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| 12:29.56 | streuner | needs a coffee too |
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| 12:30.08 | haitike | I have xorg installed |
| 12:30.34 | haitike | but i dont have xorg.conf |
| 12:31.05 | fhd | have to add to that, it only applies to linux (the kernel) packages |
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| 12:31.38 | pro-rsoft | isnt xorg.conf autogenerated by stuff? |
| 12:31.48 | Kai4711 | abrotman: cool thanks... wheres the difference between kernel-headers and linux-headers or why do i everytime earch for kernel-header- ? :-) |
| 12:31.58 | abrotman | Kai4711: that's the old name |
| 12:32.02 | haitike | i know, i dont know why i dont have an autogenerated xorg.conf |
| 12:32.04 | abrotman | pro-rsoft: it's not required anymore |
| 12:32.20 | Kai4711 | abrotman: ok cool. i will note that :-) |
| 12:32.32 | haitike | and if xorg.conf is not required where i choose the modules for xorg? |
| 12:32.39 | haitike | *to be charged with xorg |
| 12:32.52 | abrotman | Kai4711: been that was for a couple of releases, so if you're following some tutorial that is using the old name, you may want to reconsider using that tutorial |
| 12:33.41 | wols | haitike: by now, xorg.conf is optional. you can have one but don't need to |
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| 12:34.03 | streuner | haitike: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 12:34.19 | wols | haitike: you don't choose them. supposedly it dows it all by itself and still works. a big assumption in my experience but that's what the xorg devs think is best |
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| 12:35.21 | haitike | streuner: that dont works in my installation |
| 12:35.41 | haitike | If i recompile the openchrome svn driver for xorg |
| 12:35.42 | streuner | haitike: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 12:35.50 | haitike | xorg will charge it? |
| 12:36.35 | haitike | 2-9.25 |
| 12:36.46 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 12:36.47 | judd | streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-27 |
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| 12:37.18 | haitike | im in testing |
| 12:37.33 | streuner | haitike: How about to get grml (a live CD) and just use the config file? |
| 12:37.48 | streuner | !grml |
| 12:37.48 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:38.33 | haitike | ok, i will try this |
| 12:38.47 | haitike | and I will get the xorg.conf that grml generate |
| 12:39.17 | streuner | good luck |
| 12:39.39 | haitike | thanks |
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| 12:41.44 | dpkg | The OpenChrome project develops free and open source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-openchrome. Post-Lenny, xserver-xorg-video-via is a transitional package to the OpenChrome driver, amend or remove your Driver line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (via -> openchrome) if explicitly set. http://www.openchrome.org/ #unichrome on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:56.15 | rm | hello |
| 12:57.18 | rm | I am trying to build wine from source on an amd64 system, but configure fails at "checking whether gcc -m32 works... no" |
| 12:57.28 | starenka | hi, how to get external disk working? dmes|tails seems to recognize it well, but device is not mounted and not listed in fdsik -l |
| 12:57.29 | rm | can anyone please remind which packages I am missing |
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| 12:57.50 | pbn | Hi there, I see no more weekly builds in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ ... is this normal ? |
| 12:57.59 | abrotman | rm: the wine website has daily builds IIRC |
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| 12:58.19 | rm | abrotman, I use some custom patches to wine, so I need to compile it |
| 12:58.21 | abrotman | pbn: perhaps currently .. use a lenny netinst and dist-upgrade if you need to |
| 12:58.28 | petemc | pbn: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:59.07 | chellomere | ##linux is horrible. |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | tell them? |
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| 13:00.31 | rm | the wine howto says that I need to use "ia32-apt-get" to install some packages |
| 13:00.43 | rm | but "ia32-apt-get" does not exist in debian presently |
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| 13:03.14 | p_masho | oops ....................get help on .... |
| 13:04.14 | bzed | p_masho: #debian-mentors |
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| 13:20.48 | cybert | hey guys, anyone know what repo to use for mysql-max? |
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| 13:23.12 | zwamkat | 'morning! |
| 13:23.27 | cybert | evening |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | cybert: is it even in debian ? |
| 13:24.07 | cybert | yes |
| 13:24.13 | cybert | normally it should |
| 13:24.20 | cybert | but don't know in what repo |
| 13:24.27 | cybert | it is to use mysql with csv engine |
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| 13:24.36 | abrotman | cybert: did you search for it? |
| 13:24.43 | abrotman | i don't see it here .. |
| 13:24.56 | cybert | if I didn't searched for it, I wouldn't ask it here,... |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | so maybe it's not in debian ... |
| 13:25.47 | cybert | according to mysql website there should be a mysql-max package, but they don't tell me where,.. |
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| 13:26.13 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mysql-max |
| 13:26.14 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: mysql-max -- |
| 13:26.14 | abrotman | where? |
| 13:26.25 | abrotman | cybert: what's the URL that says this? |
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| 13:27.04 | abrotman | notes that "apt-cache search mysql csv" returns a bunch of stuff |
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| 13:27.36 | jpinx-eeepc | apt-cache search seems to be better than just aptitude search |
| 13:27.53 | abrotman | they search differently .. you can make aptitude search the same way |
| 13:28.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok - need to read man then |
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| 13:29.32 | abrotman | didn't i show you how to do this last week ? |
| 13:29.37 | rgr | I know from experience that mixing synaptic/apt-get and aptitude leads to problems. What exactly I can't tell you. I just know that synaptic decided to uninstall half my ssystem. I now stick with aptitude all the time. Why there has to be so many alternatives is anyones guess - its a constant source of confusion here and in the debian forums. |
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| 13:30.40 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr aptitude appears to be the one promoted. |
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| 13:31.17 | abrotman | there's really not confusion at all .. and we didn't mix anything here |
| 13:32.09 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr and there are lots of other ways to install stuff like dpkg -i ;) |
| 13:32.33 | Badenser | Hi all ... I upgraded my kde packages to the unstable version (yes I know, its unstable, but media told that the new kmail is much more usable) ... now I have problems with dialog windows. One example: when entering my password into kwallet to open, nothing happens ... any idea someone ... ? |
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| 13:33.05 | azeem | Badenser: check the bug tracking system |
| 13:33.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Badenser: sounds llike a KDE issue - try #kde ? |
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| 13:40.59 | JPT | is there a logfile that might contain information about the reason for my pc to stop to work and shutdown? |
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| 13:48.03 | chellomere | can I make chmod recursively do +rx on dirs, but +r on files? |
| 13:48.41 | mesa_booger | chellomere: no you can't chmod -R should be outlawed. it is almost certain to break things. you need 2 finds |
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| 13:49.00 | superjet_busy | chellomere: find with -exec |
| 13:49.26 | mesa_booger | chellomere: find /somewhere -type d -exec chmod ... |
| 13:49.26 | chellomere | ok |
| 13:49.26 | mesa_booger | chellomere: find somewhere -type f -exec chmod .... |
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| 13:49.56 | chellomere | thank you :) |
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| 13:51.09 | umarzuki | hi, to enable php cgi scripting on debian, do i need to do more than installing php5-cgi? |
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| 13:54.49 | flower | is away: Gone away for now |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | umarzuki: you probably want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:55.09 | abrotman | !tell flower about away |
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| 14:00.00 | hans_ | after doing apt-get upgrade, do i need to restart the system? Or are the security patches immediatly working? |
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| 14:00.37 | jpinx-eeepc | hans_: no restart is needed |
| 14:00.46 | jpinx-eeepc | hans_: this is not windows :p |
| 14:01.07 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell hans_ about why aptitude |
| 14:01.13 | hans_ | jpinx-eeepc: even if apache got updated but was running during update? |
| 14:01.54 | hans_ | jpinx-eeepc: do i need to restart apache? or any other application which was running? |
| 14:02.05 | jpinx-eeepc | hans_: look at the log of the update and you should see apache being restarted |
| 14:02.26 | hans_ | where is the log? /var/log/? |
| 14:03.01 | jpinx-eeepc | hans_: read the scrollback of the process? |
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| 14:03.41 | romano2k | hello there! |
| 14:03.46 | hans_ | jpinx-eeepc: using screen... shift pgup doesnt work. |
| 14:04.08 | mischief | hans_, Ctrl-a [ |
| 14:04.08 | jpinx-eeepc | hans_: dmesg? |
| 14:04.13 | romano2k | i have a problem with bash, i get that kind of error "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" when i'm connected with a user, but i don't while i'm root |
| 14:04.18 | romano2k | what can I do? |
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| 14:05.04 | dererk | Hey |
| 14:05.21 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: is your user trying to use a locale other than default? |
| 14:05.29 | hans_ | ah, thanks. |
| 14:05.35 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: as far as i know, no |
| 14:05.41 | hans_ | nice, that you do not need to restart system :) |
| 14:06.09 | romano2k | i get this often: http://paste.debian.net/48699/ |
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| 14:06.36 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: you might want to dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:07.21 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: i did it already, choosed only fr_FR.UTF-8, then the default values, it doesn't help |
| 14:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: it seems to be a perl problem - about which I know nothing - sorry |
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| 14:08.15 | romano2k | could it be a bashrc or something specific to my user that overlaps global settings? |
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| 14:09.05 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: check the users .bash files and maybe .profile |
| 14:10.47 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: what should i check more specifically? |
| 14:11.04 | undercoverzwerg | hi. i know i can create user-specific corntab files with "crontab -e". how do i create user specific (ana)crontabs for anacron? |
| 14:11.32 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: the contents of those files |
| 14:11.59 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: yes but what could be wrong in that content? |
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| 14:12.50 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: you suggested it.. 09:06 < romano2k> could it be a bashrc or something specific to my user that overlaps global settings? |
| 14:13.20 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: i mean, what kind of setting could lead to this error? |
| 14:13.57 | xand | undercoverzwerg: I don't believe you can |
| 14:14.02 | jpinx-eeepc | romano2k: read the files dude. |
| 14:14.45 | romano2k | jpinx-eeepc: i do :) but i don't see any "LANG" string for example |
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| 14:15.20 | undercoverzwerg | xand: hm. thx |
| 14:15.30 | starenka | hi am i a dotard or there are no mirrors or jigdos for debian-testin @ debian-org? |
| 14:15.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | somebody said testing was a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 14:16.09 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka: if you can't work that out - don't use it ;) |
| 14:16.31 | starenka | rahaha, well so why are 404 there? my fault? |
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| 14:17.34 | starenka | jpinx-eeepc: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ go and click any i386 testing link ;) |
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| 14:18.25 | abrotman | starenka: you can use the netinst for the development version of the isntaller or use the lenny stuff and dist-upgrade |
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| 14:19.09 | starenka | abrotman: thanks. i use lenny, but i'd like to try testing for a seprate install... |
| 14:19.33 | starenka | and i cant use netintst (slow connection) |
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| 14:19.49 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka: you can use backports formore recent versions of packages - if that's your need |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | you can't use the netinst, but you can use jigdo to get a full set of install media ? |
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| 14:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I was going to ask that:p |
| 14:21.01 | jpinx-eeepc | has done netinstalls on a dialup without problems |
| 14:21.02 | starenka | hm well, i want to install it to my friend (a bit noobish w/ lin ux) so i don't wont him to set up too much things (pinning etc) |
| 14:21.24 | starenka | and i fear he would yell about older soft in lenny |
| 14:21.33 | abrotman | so don't use pinning .. just give him stable |
| 14:21.34 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka: use backports |
| 14:22.09 | starenka | jpinx-eeepc: i use backports. but not all packges make it to bp |
| 14:22.10 | starenka | as i see |
| 14:23.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell starenka about ssb |
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| 14:24.29 | starenka | jpinx-eeepc: thank you. good news |
| 14:25.04 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka: anything to keep a new user out of testing ;) |
| 14:25.35 | starenka | that seams reasonable |
| 14:25.40 | starenka | *seems |
| 14:26.02 | undercoverzwerg | mh a "sudo -u $USER run-parts $USER/cron.daily" thing seems to be a acceptable workaround for my anacrontab issue |
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| 14:33.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 14:33.52 | romano2k | which package the "mail" command comes from please? |
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| 14:34.51 | maligor | you can use dpkg -S `which mail` |
| 14:35.08 | maligor | oh, it's a alternatives |
| 14:35.10 | petemc | only if you've got it installed |
| 14:35.19 | petemc | its in mailx |
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| 14:36.28 | romano2k | petemc: thank you |
| 14:36.47 | romano2k | is there anyway to find out in which package is it? (if it's not yet installed) |
| 14:36.51 | petemc | apt-file |
| 14:37.04 | starenka | why not mutt? |
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| 14:37.57 | romano2k | petemc: "mail" isn't in "mailx" |
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| 14:38.17 | maligor | yeah, it uses alternatives setup |
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| 14:38.29 | petemc | dpkg -S `which mail` |
| 14:38.29 | dpkg | There is no record of a `which mail` package |
| 14:38.29 | petemc | mailx: /usr/bin/mail |
| 14:38.38 | dokma | What could cause entries in /etc/hosts to be ignored? |
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| 14:39.07 | maligor | oh, ok, must've changed in sid |
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| 14:46.11 | paxcoder | Everyone having trouble with swfdec and youtube (or whatever free substitutes you use instead of Adobe's stuff), see here: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/50771 [enjoy, I know I will :-)] |
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| 14:46.45 | [UP]XamreX | HI, If someone wanna win IPOD on LOCKERZ just PM me :) |
| 14:48.37 | chellomere | !ops [UP]XamreX spammer |
| 14:48.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: chellomere complains about: [UP]XamreX spammer |
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| 14:48.48 | paxcoder | [UP]XamreX: what if someone wants to k-line you? |
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| 14:48.59 | [UP]XamreX | ;( |
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| 14:49.09 | mentor | Thanks |
| 14:49.20 | chellomere | :) |
| 14:49.56 | paxcoder | got off easy actually. But yeah. K-lining is extreme. |
| 14:50.11 | chellomere | anyway. if I want to have run a file server on my LAN, and authentication is not a problem, and I want speed... is NFS still what you should go with? |
| 14:50.12 | LtL | paxcoder: g-line maybe, k-line doubtful |
| 14:50.23 | maligor | advertising junk isn't what freenode is for |
| 14:50.29 | LoRez | LtL: welcome to freenode. you must be new here. |
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| 14:50.46 | paxcoder | LtL: seen this. |
| 14:50.58 | LtL | LoRez: 4 years however i'm not familiar with it's ircd or policy |
| 14:51.22 | LoRez | LtL: all klines, no glines, but klines here are global. |
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| 14:52.19 | LtL | LoRez: I didn't know that, thanks. undernet was different, i was a global oper there years ago |
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| 14:53.43 | paxcoder | undernet sounds very cyberpunkish |
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| 14:54.27 | LtL | paxcoder: it's very big |
| 14:55.10 | paxcoder | Bigger than freenode? |
| 14:56.12 | LtL | paxcoder: last i checked undernet has been over 100k lusers for years, twice the size of freenode |
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| 14:57.32 | LtL | undernet is uncouth compared to freenode but that's debateable :) |
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| 15:04.37 | LtL | let me clarify that, freenode is great, undernet has it's dark side, but there are good ppl there just the same. |
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| 15:07.35 | paxcoder | LtL: I'd like to hear about it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:19.55 | Kai4711 | i have running my debian apache2 php5 development system on virtualbox VM and want to configure it so i can use php mail() function (sendmail) and so on |
| 15:20.19 | Kai4711 | is it possible to do so, ie configuring exim4 to relay it to my normal ISP SMTP? |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | smarthost |
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| 15:20.58 | SPF | you can also use postfix (like I'm using) |
| 15:21.10 | tom493__ | Hi guys. I have a Debian machine without an internet connection. I'm on a non-Debian machine with access to a Debian mirror. What's the simplest way for me to download foo and all of foo's dependancies, so I can sneakernet them to my Debian machine? |
| 15:21.21 | Kai4711 | i thin exim4 is already installed on my debian lenny |
| 15:21.58 | SPF | tom493__: if the debian machine is connected to the non-debian machine, I would tunnel my way through |
| 15:22.13 | Kai4711 | can you give me some keywords to google for? i am searching for a configuration guide... |
| 15:22.25 | wols | tom493__: apt-zip |
| 15:22.28 | tom493__ | SPF: No, they're not connected. (>3 miles apart, so I can't easily do it) |
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| 15:22.42 | tom493__ | wols: Bingo. ;) |
| 15:22.46 | tom493__ | SPF, wols: Thanks. |
| 15:23.01 | nuxis | d |
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| 15:23.27 | jill | hi |
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| 15:24.20 | chellomere | there's supposed to be an init script template somewhere, right? |
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| 15:24.48 | zsakr | this system just spent 5 minutes spewing .. |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | Kai4711: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. choose the smarthost option |
| 15:25.04 | zsakr | msg="if-up.d/mountnfs[$IFACE]: waiting for interface $i before doing NFS mounts" |
| 15:25.13 | zsakr | the system has around 768 IPs assigned to it |
| 15:25.19 | zsakr | which means it spewed out that message 768^768 times |
| 15:25.26 | zsakr | :( |
| 15:25.39 | SPF | abrotman: why do you prefer smarthost above postfix? |
| 15:25.48 | chellomere | you mean 768^2? |
| 15:26.03 | abrotman | SPF: uhm .. postfix can do smarthost too |
| 15:26.18 | tom493__ | 768^768 is insanely big. |
| 15:26.23 | jelly-home | chellomere: everyone knows ^ means xor ;-) |
| 15:26.31 | chellomere | ^^ |
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| 15:26.59 | zsakr | er, 768*768 |
| 15:26.59 | zinx | ** is exponentiation :P |
| 15:27.00 | jelly-home | dpkg: 2^3 |
| 15:27.01 | dpkg | 1 |
| 15:27.05 | zsakr | 589,824 times |
| 15:27.12 | jill | i have a circle in my browser where the flash stuffs must be, can i disable it? |
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| 15:27.34 | tom493__ | I'd have thought it'd be 768*767 (it wouldn't print "waiting for itself") |
| 15:27.40 | abrotman | !tell jill about adobe flash |
| 15:27.51 | jetscreamer | !blame abrotman & jelly-home just because |
| 15:27.51 | dpkg | blames Drool and abrotman & jelly-home just because for all the evil in the world |
| 15:28.29 | SPF | jill: you can also install flashblock (firefox addon) |
| 15:28.36 | darkham | can i play a file with totem without the gui? |
| 15:28.46 | jill | abrotman: i dont watch any flash =) and i dont need this "circle" =) |
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| 15:29.44 | SPF | jill: or install adblock and add a filter for *flv |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | jill: then use flashblock or remove the swf packages like gnash and/or swfdec |
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| 15:31.10 | zsakr | hat stuff do i need to get a toslink working. google isn't really helping me here |
| 15:31.13 | jill | abrotman: if i use only epiphany browser? can i install FFox plugins? |
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| 15:31.57 | abrotman | not sure .. just remove the swfdec programs i guess |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | IIRC epiphany has a lot of extensions also |
| 15:32.33 | jill | abrotman: thanks... |
| 15:32.38 | SPF | darkham: you want to use a videoplayer without video, how crazy is that? |
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| 15:33.15 | jill | abrotman: and sorry but your nick seems to "abortman" |
| 15:33.25 | abrotman | it's okay ... |
| 15:33.28 | jill | :-() |
| 15:33.50 | SPF | darkham: you can use mplayer instead |
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| 15:45.01 | l_r | hello. is it possible, given a source .deb, to automatically build the software by downloading, compiling and linking all the required libraries to the final executable. this should be possible from non debian based distributions. |
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| 15:51.31 | rahul_ | compiling a kernel for amd turionx2 rm70, should i select processor type as "K8" or "generic x86-64" ? |
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| 15:51.53 | \amethyst | rahul_: do you want a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel? |
| 15:52.01 | rahul_ | 64 |
| 15:52.27 | \amethyst | rahul_: oh, sorry, I forgot K8 *is* 64-bit |
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| 15:55.10 | \amethyst | rahul_: I would guess k8, since it's AMD |
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| 15:55.58 | \amethyst | rahul_: you should be able to compile with -mtune=k8-sse3 in fact, but that probably wouldn't affect the kernel |
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| 15:56.51 | rahul_ | i am going through the ncurses menu interface, is it possible to enable sse3 from there, \amethyst |
| 15:57.07 | valdyn | you really dont want to bother doing this |
| 15:57.18 | valdyn | and it wouldnt do any good if it worked |
| 15:57.40 | abrotman | rahul_: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 15:57.53 | \amethyst | rahul_: as I said, I wouldn't expect it to make a difference with the kernel---the kernel doesn't use the FP registers anyway |
| 15:59.03 | rahul_ | i want cpu frequency scaling , turionx2 is part of 11h family which is not supported in current kernel i have 2.6.30 |
| 15:59.18 | rahul_ | \amethyst, what are FP registers |
| 15:59.29 | \amethyst | rahul_: floating point |
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| 16:00.36 | valdyn | rahul_: why do you think that frequency scaling is unsupportd in 2.6.30? |
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| 16:01.36 | rahul_ | valdyn, it is supported i have 3 governors, i do not rem what exactly, |
| 16:02.09 | valdyn | rahul_: you just said it was not supported in 2.6.30 |
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| 16:02.29 | rahul_ | valdyn, i am sorry i was wrong |
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| 16:03.13 | abrotman | so why are you compiling a kernel again ? |
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| 16:03.28 | pipeline | l_r: you can automate building into a final deb with apt-build. Building from a source deb to a single final executable, however, is not something you can automate. |
| 16:03.35 | Kai4711 | which is the best client to have a accureate time via ntp on debian lenny? ntp? ntpdate? |
| 16:03.46 | rahul_ | for no good reason |
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| 16:03.49 | rahul_ | :) |
| 16:03.53 | pipeline | Kai4711: run ntpdate a couple times a day via cron job |
| 16:03.55 | valdyn | Kai4711: the ntpd daemon |
| 16:04.05 | Kai4711 | i thougt in the installation progress debian lenny asked me for a ntp server, but i cannot find something of it now |
| 16:04.12 | valdyn | ntpdate is evil |
| 16:04.23 | pipeline | Kai4711: ntpd is really for when you want to get a set of multiple servers in very close sync... if you just want the time to be correct, it's overkill. |
| 16:04.39 | abrotman | except that ntpdate is deprecated ? |
| 16:04.48 | valdyn | except that ntpdate is dangerous |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | you really should use ntp |
| 16:05.01 | abrotman | or ntpd .. whatever it is |
| 16:05.13 | xhairball | Kai4711: I use openntp (OpenBSD's ntp). |
| 16:05.21 | Kai4711 | what about that the installation guide asked me for a ntp server? should there be something installed? |
| 16:05.23 | valdyn | package ntp, daemon ntpd |
| 16:05.30 | abrotman | Kai4711: some people also like chrony |
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| 16:06.53 | rahul_ | valdyn, now i remember, it is since the current kernel i have installed 2.6.31.1 does not have lmsensors support |
| 16:07.22 | xhairball | valdyn: why do you say ntpdate is dangerous? |
| 16:07.25 | valdyn | rahul_: also not a debian kernel |
| 16:07.39 | valdyn | xhairball: "just" changing the time can have dangerous effects |
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| 16:07.50 | rahul_ | valdyn, agreed |
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| 16:08.50 | call911 | hi |
| 16:08.51 | valdyn | xhairball: when you have 10 files sorted by their timestamps, you want the order to reflect reality |
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| 16:09.27 | usuarioER2 | somebody knows how to fix the problem with WPA wifi authentification? |
| 16:09.30 | valdyn | xhairball: which isnt guaranteed if ntpdate adjusted by 10 sec within the 5 sec 2 files differ |
| 16:09.54 | xhairball | valdyn: these increments are tiny though, right? I've never had a build fail due to time skew. |
| 16:10.13 | valdyn | xhairball: ntpdate just sets the time, the increments can be anything |
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| 16:11.06 | xhairball | if it's adjusted by 10 seconds, isn't something seriously wrong with your computer? It shouldn't lose track that quickly. |
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| 16:11.57 | valdyn | xhairball: theres leap seconds, theres kernel / hardware bugs |
| 16:12.22 | valdyn | xhairball: one leap second already crashed kernels |
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| 16:12.32 | valdyn | xhairball: such issues may be rare but they can happen |
| 16:12.45 | xhairball | valdyn: adjustments larger than 128ms are logged to syslog. I don't have any. |
| 16:13.03 | valdyn | xhairball: so? |
| 16:13.17 | valdyn | xhairball: ive gone over the road 20 times without looking too ;) |
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| 16:14.05 | jill | hi again... is there any gtk software like lmms to manage audio effects? |
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| 16:15.05 | Dominicus | How do I reinstall grub2 or grub to the mbr of my hard drive? (both linux and vista is on the same hard drive, vista overwrote the mbr with it's bootloader)... |
| 16:15.12 | xhairball | I don't know if I would characterize ntp as dangerous when the only issue is rare kernel/hardware bugs. |
| 16:15.30 | valdyn | ntp isnt dangerous |
| 16:15.34 | valdyn | the ntpdate program is |
| 16:15.56 | Dominicus | valdyn: How is ntpdate danerougs? exploits? |
| 16:16.04 | paxcoder | Dominicus: you should run grub (don't use v2) from some GNU/Linux live distro. Ask #grub |
| 16:16.16 | chellomere | if I run screen -dm to start a new detached screen session, it appears as /usr/bin/SESSION in ps. more importantly, it appears to start this as a new process, so if I try to get the pid of it, it will be the wrong one (the one that /usr/bin/screen had before it exited). can I prevent this in some way, or get the pid of the /usr/bin/SCREEN process in some way? |
| 16:16.22 | chellomere | uh |
| 16:16.35 | chellomere | replace the first /usr/bin/SESSION by /usr/bin/SCREEN |
| 16:16.44 | Dominicus | paxcoder: Thanks for the advice. And I didn't know there was a #grub. THANKS! =) |
| 16:17.01 | chellomere | also, there's no /usr/bin/SCREEN on my system... how can that be running? |
| 16:17.12 | valdyn | Dominicus: not in that sense, it just sets time the wrong way |
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| 16:18.36 | ircDon | Hey, I linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 flowed in through sid but my grub list doesn't include it. Any ideas on debugging this? |
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| 16:19.27 | valdyn | !why not ntpdate |
| 16:19.46 | \amethyst | chellomere: screen -ls should list that as the session's PID |
| 16:19.55 | valdyn | !dpkg: why not ntpdate is <reply>Read http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
| 16:19.55 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 16:20.04 | chellomere | \amethyst, ah, will try that |
| 16:21.02 | chellomere | \amethyst, would I need to awk the pid out of that output? :/ |
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| 16:22.51 | xhairball | valdyn: so your only concern is ntpdate and not ntpd because it's incremental? Can you note that in the dpkg reply? |
| 16:23.37 | ircDon | I think I answered my own question - it seems 2.6.30-2-amd64 postinstall scripts only affect grub2 installations. I ran update-from-grub-legacy. I am off to reboot and test. |
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| 16:24.04 | \amethyst | chellomere: or something like that.... e.g. screen -r sessionname -ls | sed -ne 's/^[[:space:]]*\([[:digit:]]*\)\..*/\1/p' |
| 16:25.00 | \amethyst | chellomere: or without -r sessionname to get a list of all the session PIDs |
| 16:26.05 | valdyn | !dpkg: no, why not ntpdate is <reply>Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched. Rationale at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 16:26.37 | valdyn | xhairball: happy? |
| 16:26.42 | chellomere | \amethyst, thanks! guess I'll have to use that if the #screen guys do not have any better idea |
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| 16:27.47 | xhairball | valdyn: thanks :) |
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| 16:34.21 | buntfalke | What does this mean |
| 16:34.23 | buntfalke | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 623: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! |
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| 16:35.06 | valdyn | buntfalke: that skype doesnt work? |
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| 16:35.20 | valdyn | buntfalke: or that ia32-libs is broken? |
| 16:35.28 | kf | good |
| 16:35.30 | buntfalke | Oh - you happen to know how to fix it, too? |
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| 16:35.40 | kf | same problem than mine (nvidiaglx) ? |
| 16:36.06 | buntfalke | kf: shouldnt be, nvidiaglx is avail for 64bit as well, so ia32 issues shouldnt be an issue - afaik. |
| 16:36.13 | valdyn | buntfalke: manually delete /usr/lib32/libpulse* , kill pulseaudio if its running, start skype |
| 16:36.45 | Tapout | a /29 should have 8 usable ips correct? For some reason, ping <last ip of the 8> will think it's pinging the broadcast |
| 16:36.57 | valdyn | buntfalke: very ugly, but also very easy to revert by reinstalling ia32-libs |
| 16:37.12 | jelly-home | Tapout: 6 usable |
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| 16:37.52 | Tapout | jelly, when you run.. ip addr, it shows the non-usables then.. weird.. i thought it woudlnt' |
| 16:38.07 | jelly-home | Tapout: shows them where? |
| 16:38.15 | buntfalke | valdyn: did they recently combine them all into one package? "them" being the ia32-* pkgs |
| 16:38.25 | valdyn | buntfalke: not recently |
| 16:38.42 | Tapout | ip addr |
| 16:38.44 | buntfalke | but they did, i see a huge list of "collides" and "replaces" there, so they combined them, right/ |
| 16:39.06 | buntfalke | i wonder why - would be cleaner to be able to just uninstall the bloody pulse libs |
| 16:39.19 | jelly-home | Tapout: where in the output would one see which addresses are usable, I mean? |
| 16:39.34 | valdyn | buntfalke: this is only to recover from ia32-apt-get i think |
| 16:39.40 | valdyn | buntfalke: ( the conflicts ) |
| 16:39.47 | buntfalke | hmm, i see |
| 16:39.55 | valdyn | buntfalke: ia32-apt-get was removed... |
| 16:40.02 | buntfalke | Thanks for the tip anyway - is there a bug report filed for it yet? |
| 16:40.04 | Tapout | jelly, oh .. i meant those ips being listed = usable to me.. i didn't realize it listed broadcasts |
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| 16:41.38 | jelly-home | Tapout: ipcalc is helpful. Try ipcalc 10.9.0.25/29 |
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| 16:46.32 | LemensTS | it wont take my wireless key, should i try to install madwifi or is there something else i can try? This is just the stock wireless manager in gnome |
| 16:46.42 | darkham | SPF: no, i wanted to play an audio file with totem without the gui |
| 16:46.47 | voicu | bAnU03 is spamming |
| 16:46.54 | darkham | SPF, i done it with mplayer |
| 16:48.10 | cahoot | why use totem if you don't want gui? |
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| 16:49.07 | Tapout | jelly, thanks for that.. pretty slick |
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| 16:49.53 | darkham | but i installed mplayer |
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| 16:50.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: clearscreen complains about: join spammer: bAnU03 |
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| 16:50.59 | abrotman | clearscreen: thank you |
| 16:51.04 | pro-rsoft | ..that works, too |
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| 17:00.08 | Danielss | hi.. can i see how many compute cycles my server uses? |
| 17:01.02 | mentor | uses for what, and to what precision do you want to see =? |
| 17:01.37 | Danielss | hmm well i have a dedicated server, and i am looking at cloud hosting right now.. |
| 17:02.01 | Danielss | and i want to compare the price of the dedicated server, compared to moving to a cloudbased hosting.. |
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| 17:02.35 | mentor | So, perhaps you want use something like mrtg to monitor load? |
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| 17:03.41 | Danielss | i dont know mentor :D do i want that :D |
| 17:04.02 | mentor | I don't know either |
| 17:04.13 | mentor | I don't use so-called cloud computing |
| 17:04.23 | mentor | So I wouldn't know how to calculate cost for one |
| 17:04.36 | mentor | moves his hand away from the enter key |
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| 17:05.03 | Danielss | hehe ok mentor.. thx, though.. |
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| 17:07.36 | xuser | what's the difference between the generic and target kernel the installer prompts about? |
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| 17:08.52 | mentor | xuser: Does it say in the installation manual? |
| 17:09.17 | mentor | Danielss: I might be able to help you get the data you need if you tell me what it is |
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| 17:09.40 | xuser | mentor: no, the lenny installation guide doesn't mention it |
| 17:09.57 | mentor | What does the prompt say? Which architecture are you on? |
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| 17:10.22 | abrotman | xuser: can you give an example? |
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| 17:11.54 | xuser | i386, well it said to chose between two kernels, a generic one and a target one, it mention the generic has more drivers, the target only has what the current machine needs |
| 17:12.01 | xuser | this was in expert mode |
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| 17:12.33 | Danielss | mentor uhm i dont know what it is.. it just said that 10.000 copmute cycles included.. |
| 17:12.35 | xuser | But I was confused at how can it build kernel on the fly with only the drivers I need |
| 17:12.40 | MFen | what's the new replacement for $DEBFULLNAME? |
| 17:12.58 | mentor | Danielss: You should probably find out what that actually means |
| 17:13.04 | MFen | various debhelper things no longer recognize that environment variable, it keeps filling in my local username |
| 17:13.08 | mentor | Oh |
| 17:13.11 | mentor | It's for the initrd |
| 17:13.30 | mentor | xuser: It's for the drivers to be included in the initramfs |
| 17:14.22 | mentor | xuser: This is an initial system used to bootstrap the complete system. It includes such important things as drivers for your hard disk/storage system |
| 17:14.28 | xuser | mentor: I see, Ok so for a virtual machined a target kernel should be a better choice since I won't be adding any hadware |
| 17:14.36 | mentor | Probably |
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| 17:14.47 | mentor | The issue would really be if you tried to swap your boot medium around. |
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| 17:15.17 | xuser | mentor: like moving the hard drive to another machine right? |
| 17:15.21 | mentor | Well |
| 17:15.40 | mentor | Moving the hard drive onto a different storage system, for example |
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| 17:15.53 | mentor | The driver then won't be present, and the system won't be able to boot |
| 17:16.37 | xuser | thanks, I'll read up on initrd |
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| 17:18.56 | chellomere | on i386, does RX and TX bytes as shown by ifconfig wrap at 2^32? |
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| 17:19.27 | Out_Cold | so i'm not sure why but now my internet fails to work with wicd or cli |
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| 17:20.45 | chellomere | it appears that it does. |
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| 17:21.26 | Out_Cold | ?? it would appear that i have to use another box smartass |
| 17:22.28 | chellomere | I was replying to myself. |
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| 17:22.54 | jaws | H! |
| 17:23.22 | chellomere | sorry, should've been clearer on that. |
| 17:23.24 | jaws | I have desinstalled the kernel-headers but now when I try to install again it doesnt install the directory -common |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | chellomere: i believe so |
| 17:23.55 | jaws | i neede to install again from scratch but i cant |
| 17:24.03 | jaws | there is a way to do this? |
| 17:24.04 | chellomere | abrotman, ok, thanks for verifying. in any case I'll learn soon, as I currently have 3.5gb TX |
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| 17:25.00 | Danielss | mentor: Compute cycles measure how much processing time your applications require on the Rackspace Cloud. Using 10,000 compute cycles in a month is roughly equivalent to running a server with a 2.8 GHz modern processor for the same period of time. |
| 17:25.19 | Danielss | Mostly, CPU processing time. However, compute cycles also account for the disk I/O your application's operations consume. For example, a page with heavy database queries will consume more compute cycles in part due to the larger volume of disk I/O it requires |
| 17:25.25 | jaws | how can install a package from scratch? |
| 17:25.39 | jaws | that it needs to downlaod again |
| 17:25.49 | mentor | Danielss: That means a 2.8 GHz at 100% load I should imagine |
| 17:26.01 | mentor | Danielss: You can probably use that to get a rough estimate |
| 17:26.03 | chellomere | jaws, is the problem that it doesn't restore config files? |
| 17:26.49 | jaws | yeah! it doenst create the directory common again |
| 17:27.00 | chellomere | jaws, oh wait, -common stuff is in another package, I believe |
| 17:27.23 | jaws | no, it is the same linux-header-$(uname -r) |
| 17:27.38 | chellomere | there's a -common package for every kernel-arch kernel-headers version |
| 17:27.41 | xuser | If use backports, can I hold down the kernel upgrade? |
| 17:27.53 | jaws | but it has reference to this directory |
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| 17:27.59 | chellomere | xuser, by default, nothing is upgraded. |
| 17:28.10 | jaws | but when I install the headers always install this directory |
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| 17:28.12 | xuser | jaws: aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:28.15 | xuser | chellomere: thanks |
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| 17:28.22 | chellomere | jaws, linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common vs linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686, for example |
| 17:28.32 | Danielss | mentor -> this is the server i have right now: http://www.serverloft.eu/dedizierte-server/server-details.php?products=0 |
| 17:29.17 | mentor | Danielss: OK |
| 17:29.29 | mentor | Danielss: I'm not going to work this estimate out for you... |
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| 17:29.59 | mentor | Danielss: You'll need to work out roughly what your average load is |
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| 17:30.01 | chellomere | abrotman, it just wrapped! ^^ |
| 17:30.30 | jaws | i have installed the build-essential too but it dosnt work |
| 17:30.44 | Danielss | mentor, so i have to find my monthly load |
| 17:30.49 | Danielss | on that server.. |
| 17:31.01 | chellomere | jaws, what exactly is missing? |
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| 17:31.12 | mentor | Danielss: roughly, yeah |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | chellomere: RX bytes:790067467531 (735.8 GiB) TX bytes:4698119296392 (4.2 TiB) .. you need one of those or something |
| 17:31.28 | jaws | the directory /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-common |
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| 17:31.44 | jaws | beacuse this has reference to this directory |
| 17:32.00 | chellomere | abrotman, hah. unfortunately, this box is 32-bit |
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| 17:32.09 | chellomere | jaws, where "this" and "this" means what? |
| 17:32.21 | jaws | directory |
| 17:32.33 | chellomere | no. _what_ directories? |
| 17:32.53 | jaws | i wanna install from scratch again |
| 17:33.00 | chellomere | you said that. |
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| 17:33.38 | jaws | the linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-common this is the directory |
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| 17:34.27 | skinner | hi |
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| 17:35.52 | skinner | every mail I get from a certain email address via email in my icedove I cannot open it... it always says the message cannot be found.. I have a folder created for this person where all emails are move to via a filter.. any ideas? |
| 17:36.15 | chellomere | jaws, are you sure? there's supposed to be /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 and /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common. |
| 17:36.36 | jaws | chellomere: I thought the same |
| 17:36.48 | jaws | but it doesnt |
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| 17:37.09 | jaws | for that I wanna install from scratach again if it is posible... |
| 17:37.34 | chellomere | jaws, did you simply try reinstalling the two packages in question? |
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| 17:38.00 | xuser | what app does the installer use to encrypted the disk? |
| 17:38.11 | chellomere | jaws, and what's the matter with /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-common? is it existing for some reason? or is it not, and you believe you need it? |
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| 17:38.14 | markybob | xuser, dmcrypt |
| 17:38.21 | jaws | i did , aptitude remove linux-header-$(uname -r) purge |
| 17:38.22 | xuser | ok |
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| 17:38.45 | jaws | but when i try to install again it doesnt install common |
| 17:39.08 | csotelo | hi people |
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| 17:39.16 | chellomere | jaws, you didn't remove the -common package. |
| 17:39.23 | jaws | no |
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| 17:39.37 | jaws | i just remove the principal package |
| 17:39.48 | csotelo | i just have aproblem in my sid update... with xserver-xorg 1:7.4-4... it doesn´t work... |
| 17:39.49 | chellomere | yes |
| 17:40.21 | chellomere | jaws, so if the -common package is still installed... why would it too need to be installed when you install the -686 one? |
| 17:40.35 | chellomere | *installed again |
| 17:40.44 | jaws | i tried |
| 17:40.50 | jaws | but id doesnt |
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| 17:41.05 | jaws | i need the common packeage |
| 17:41.16 | jaws | i am installing asterisk and i need it |
| 17:41.29 | jaws | well, i reinstall whole SO |
| 17:41.50 | chellomere | sorry, you're not giving enough information/replies for me to be able to help you. I need to make (late) dinner anyway, bye. |
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| 17:44.04 | techouse | did anyone here migrate from ext3 to ext4? |
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| 17:44.13 | csotelo | sine I have install xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4 my gnome doesn´t work... |
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| 17:44.21 | csotelo | any one has this problems |
| 17:44.31 | techouse | i'm quite interested in doing so, but i need a few testimonies :D |
| 17:44.50 | csotelo | i was reading on intenert abou a bug on this version.... but i couldnt found a solution |
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| 17:52.30 | kf | anyone tried reverse debuging with gdb yet ? |
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| 17:53.51 | abrotman | not you? |
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| 17:55.28 | kf | I just read the anoucment, too lazy to work on week ends though |
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| 17:56.02 | xuser | does formating with encrypted LVM takes alot longer that a normal format? just want to know if it's normal |
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| 18:10.26 | tuxG | hi |
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| 18:11.54 | tuxG | i have segmentation fault when i start iceweasel |
| 18:12.09 | tuxG | habitually i reboot to fix it |
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| 18:12.41 | tuxG | but i look for a better solution |
| 18:12.45 | tuxG | ? |
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| 18:13.53 | xuser | tuxG: what release? |
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| 18:14.36 | tuxG | Version: 3.0.6- |
| 18:14.50 | tuxG | Version: 3.0.6-3 |
| 18:14.53 | isules | can i send debian developers information about my software and hardware? something like survey |
| 18:14.59 | xuser | tuxG: lenny? |
| 18:15.11 | tuxG | xuser: yes |
| 18:15.24 | xuser | you reboot the OS or iceweasel? |
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| 18:15.44 | tuxG | xuser : the OS |
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| 18:16.23 | abrotman | tuxG: did you try it in safemode ? |
| 18:16.36 | xuser | are using nvidia drivers or crash occurs when using some plugin in iceweasel? |
| 18:16.38 | abrotman | did you try to mv ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old ? |
| 18:16.47 | paxcoder | Why is totem so friggin impotent when it comes to using the slider? I hate it when it refuses to change to the desired time in the video. |
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| 18:17.06 | abrotman | because you're streaming video ? |
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| 18:18.26 | tuxG | abrotman: mv ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla.old don't fix it |
| 18:18.37 | tuxG | for nvidia no |
| 18:18.40 | abrotman | tuxG: did you try safemode ? |
| 18:18.43 | paxcoder | abrotman: Oh. Never considered it might remove the parts it passed by. Hmm... HTTP should still provide it with a mechanism to "resume" from desired time. |
| 18:18.55 | tuxG | and how can i start it in safemode |
| 18:19.03 | karname | how can me set Iptable to restrict number of connection per sec and min from one ip to my server? |
| 18:19.13 | SteppenwolfII | im having trouble with nvidia drivers too, i think |
| 18:19.38 | SteppenwolfII | is there a way to go back to using fbdev or similiar |
| 18:19.50 | paxcoder | (well some HTTP versions tbh) |
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| 18:20.20 | paxcoder | However, seeing that Youtube's flash player has the feature, I'd say Totem should be able to do it also. |
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| 18:21.55 | abrotman | paxcoder: do you even know which totem backend you're using ? |
| 18:22.22 | paxcoder | would gstreamer be a correct answer? |
| 18:22.48 | abrotman | did you try another media player to see if it does the same thing? like vlc or mplayer ? |
| 18:23.11 | isules | --= thanks to debian developers =-- |
| 18:23.41 | paxcoder | Well I know mplayer can shuffle through anything that I download (eg wget+gmplayer), but didn't try streaming. |
| 18:24.12 | paxcoder | (as opposed to Totem which refuses to do it for some video files) |
| 18:24.18 | paxcoder | will try. |
| 18:24.18 | karname | I run apache server in debian , after 3 mins of startup apache eat all of cpu , I checked my scripts and they haven't any bug , can anyone had this problem ? |
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| 18:25.37 | mesa_booger | paxcoder: i find vlc is pretty good for streaming. i have it set up with the mediaplayerconnectivity firefox extension. this means the video plays in a seperate window, and i can navigate away from the page, or even shut the browser |
| 18:25.59 | techouse | are there any defragmentation tools for ext4? |
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| 18:27.12 | tuxG | abrotman: start iceweasel in safe mode dont fix the probleme !! |
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| 18:27.30 | abrotman | tuxG: did you try another gecko based browser? |
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| 18:30.02 | xuser | tuxG: run a memtest |
| 18:30.17 | hark | tuxG: strace it. or do by any chance have low diskspace? |
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| 18:32.52 | paxcoder | abrotman: umm. vlc doesn't even give me a slider |
| 18:33.05 | paxcoder | (perhaps because it can't?) |
| 18:33.27 | paxcoder | last try mplayer |
| 18:33.51 | paxcoder | (says "deprecated") |
| 18:34.08 | techouse | abrotman: why not suggest him Opera instead :D |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | techouse: that's not an answer? |
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| 18:34.34 | techouse | another gecko browser ain't as well :D |
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| 18:34.42 | techouse | just saying, you know :D |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | right .. so you've helped how? |
| 18:34.54 | BlueG | I'm trying to custom compile a 2.6.30 kernel, but my webcam doesn't seem to work properly with it. It is a Logitech QuickCam, using one of the gspca drivers. Cheese shows nothing, camorama complains "unable to capture image" and exits. But I can cat /dev/video0 and get output. Any suggestions? |
| 18:35.09 | techouse | abrotman: nah... |
| 18:35.14 | abrotman | i didn't think so |
| 18:35.21 | techouse | ;) |
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| 18:36.15 | paxcoder | abrotman: mplayer also provides no slider :-/ i'll probably take a look at the code and then give up :-) |
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| 18:37.31 | techouse | BlueG: did you check that it is enabled in bios, if you're running a laptop |
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| 18:37.42 | jpinx-eeepc | paxcoder: don't know what your psecific problem is, vlc does everything |
| 18:38.09 | BlueG | techouse: Its not a laptop, it's a Dimension 4500S |
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| 18:38.43 | techouse | ok :) just checking all possible ways :) |
| 18:38.46 | mesa_booger | jpinx-eeepc: strongly agree. i think vlc beats the opposition into a cocked hat. but smplayer is the best of the rest. a nice front-end to mplayer |
| 18:39.21 | techouse | don't VLC and mplayer use practically the "same" code |
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| 18:39.52 | abrotman | codecs maybe |
| 18:39.54 | mesa_booger | techouse: they use the same ffmpeg/libav* codecs |
| 18:40.11 | paxcoder | jpinx-eeepc: this script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/50771 for greasemonkey replaces youtube's flash player for an embedded user's player. I tried Totem, but it couldn't change the place in video (with the slider), and also vlc plugin for video, and mplayer plugin for video. The last two give no slider. |
| 18:40.27 | paxcoder | (at least with Totem I can freeze video :-P) |
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| 18:41.34 | mesa_booger | techouse: but there's more to it than just codecs. there's networking/streaming, playlists, lirc, subtitles etc etc etc |
| 18:41.38 | techouse | vlc reuses the software scaler code from mplayer |
| 18:41.44 | xuser | would a USB stick(storage) be faster than a SATE 7200rpm drive? |
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| 18:42.20 | techouse | well, doens't matter anyway :) both are great |
| 18:42.26 | techouse | i prefer mplayer though :D |
| 18:42.50 | mesa_booger | xuser: i very much doubt it. max speed of usb2.0 is 480Mb/s |
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| 18:43.29 | paxcoder | techouse: I like it better ordinarily, but for the above reason, I'll use Totem if no-one comes up with any more ideas. |
| 18:43.36 | mesa_booger | xuser: i get 20MB/s on a good day with corsair usb. i get 90MB/s average on my sata drive |
| 18:43.51 | paxcoder | techouse: for youtube that is |
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| 18:43.57 | techouse | ? lol |
| 18:44.20 | techouse | don't you use Flash for that? :D |
| 18:44.21 | xuser | mesa_booger: I see, 7200rpm would be how much MB/s? |
| 18:44.45 | techouse | around 80-90 Mb/s |
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| 18:45.04 | techouse | MB |
| 18:45.35 | voicu | what's the package for tor on debian? it says it's been removed |
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| 18:45.56 | mesa_booger | xuser: that's the spindle revolution speed |
| 18:46.28 | mesa_booger | xuser: you will get at least 60MB/s out of sata |
| 18:46.30 | paxcoder | techouse: Flash is non-free. swfdec is sluggish. So I use the said script instead. |
| 18:46.35 | xhairball | voicu: tor. It's using 0.2.1.19 in testing/unstable. |
| 18:47.16 | abrotman | !tell voicu about tor |
| 18:47.24 | techouse | paxcoder: aha, opensource maniac :D |
| 18:47.30 | xuser | mesa_booger: ok |
| 18:47.40 | paxcoder | techouse: it's called free software enthusiast :-D |
| 18:47.58 | techouse | lol :D |
| 18:48.17 | techouse | meh...i use anything i don't have to crack or pay for on debian |
| 18:48.20 | mesa_booger | xuser: my seagate ST3250310AS is a 7200rpm and i get 90+. also depends on the data connection speed. sata2 is obviously faster than sata 1. iirc sata2 is 3Gb/s |
| 18:48.21 | voicu | aha, i guess i'll get it from their site |
| 18:48.23 | voicu | thanks |
| 18:48.37 | xhairball | voicu: If it was removed, there would be a message here (under news): http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tor.html |
| 18:48.37 | paxcoder | techouse: apt-get install vrms && vrms |
| 18:48.38 | tuxG | xuser: i don't know how to perform a memtest |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | xhairball: it has been removed .. it's been removed from stable for a very long time |
| 18:49.21 | techouse | paxcoder: virtual Richard M. Stallman = ? what da? |
| 18:49.22 | techouse | lol |
| 18:49.50 | xuser | mesa_booger: I guess I won't be installing debian on this USB stick :) |
| 18:49.51 | xhairball | abrotman: oh, ok. But it will be in the next release? Otherwise, why is it in testing? |
| 18:50.08 | abrotman | xhairball: they'll decide that as release time gets closer .. but i'd be skeptical |
| 18:50.08 | xuser | tuxG: I think you can do it booting up the install cd |
| 18:50.31 | abrotman | xhairball: the protocol stuff changes too fast IIRC .. makes it hard to release as stable |
| 18:50.34 | paxcoder | techouse: Debian devs made that to identify any non-free package you might have installed. It's got memory too (so uninstalling package alone doesn't remove the ugly messages). |
| 18:50.38 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.39 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.41 | techouse | lol |
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| 18:50.44 | xhairball | abrotman: ahh ok |
| 18:50.51 | paxcoder | techouse: ouch. |
| 18:50.57 | paxcoder | never had that many. ever. |
| 18:51.15 | abrotman | gives paxcoder a medal ... |
| 18:51.16 | techouse | let me pastebin them :D |
| 18:51.17 | tuxG | xuser: if i reboot everything is fine |
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| 18:51.51 | tuxG | xuser: i look for a better solution |
| 18:51.52 | paxcoder | abrotman: you got any? |
| 18:51.59 | techouse | paxcoder: http://pastebin.com/d484947b7 |
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| 18:52.18 | abrotman | i have no idea .. and i'd probably discuss it in #debian-offtopic if i did |
| 18:52.27 | paxcoder | techouse: you built flash? |
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| 18:52.40 | xuser | tuxG: don't know, sounds like bad memory, does it only happens with iceweasel? |
| 18:52.55 | paxcoder | yeah. techouse #debian-offtopic (we're in the way) |
| 18:52.55 | techouse | paxcoder: ? |
| 18:52.56 | tuxG | xuser: yes |
| 18:52.59 | techouse | lol :D |
| 18:53.00 | techouse | ok :D |
| 18:53.19 | BlueG | I find it ironic that vrms complains about emacs documentation |
| 18:53.29 | xuser | tuxG: try compiling something and see if it segfaults |
| 18:53.34 | xhairball | It shouldn't be called vrms when it complains about gfdl. RMS wouldn't complain about gfdl. It should be vdebian. :) |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | !tell BlueG about gfdl |
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| 18:53.54 | paxcoder | xhairball: vdfsg |
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| 18:54.38 | BlueG | paxcoder: yea, that would work |
| 18:55.00 | paxcoder | abrotman: nice entry. too bad there's none like that for blobs :-P |
| 18:55.07 | abrotman | sure there is |
| 18:55.18 | abrotman | !tell paxcoder about firmware |
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| 18:55.39 | paxcoder | abrotman: not really. |
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| 18:55.46 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 18:55.50 | voicu | OK, idiot question: I understand tor listens on 9050... do I need to open the port for my connections only or for everyone? |
| 18:56.07 | paxcoder | abrotman: i'd like discussion links and such |
| 18:56.25 | abrotman | voicu: do you want to be a node? or just use it as a client |
| 18:56.39 | paxcoder | was taught firmware is exclusively burned into hw |
| 18:56.48 | voicu | abrotman: so it's the same port for both? |
| 18:56.49 | xhairball | voicu: it listens on localhost |
| 18:56.57 | voicu | then I guess I'll be a node too |
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| 18:57.03 | xhairball | for the client |
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| 18:57.06 | abrotman | voicu: if you don't want to be a node on the tor network, you don't need to open that port |
| 18:57.19 | tuxG | xuser: i will reboot, thanx, i can't live without iceweasel ;) |
| 18:57.26 | samferry | hey guys |
| 18:57.30 | samferry | anyone up for a quick question? |
| 18:57.35 | abrotman | samferry: just ask |
| 18:57.52 | xuser | tuxG: you should try and fix the problem |
| 18:58.15 | samferry | abrotman, running scp i get this: |
| 18:58.18 | samferry | command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: PermitLocalCommand |
| 18:58.20 | samferry | lost connection |
| 18:58.35 | paipimenta | wow.... how do I use a modern 1454080 byte high density floppy to update my bios? |
| 18:58.48 | azeem | paipimenta: modern? |
| 18:58.52 | azeem | paipimenta: this is not a Debian problem |
| 18:58.59 | abrotman | samferry: so there's a config issue in one of the sshd configs /etc/sshd_config or /etc/ssh_config |
| 18:59.21 | samferry | could it be a crazy number of things, or is there something you could think of that would cause such an error? |
| 18:59.27 | paipimenta | azeem: you don't need to type to me then |
| 18:59.41 | xhairball | voicu: If you use tor for web access, you may want to check out polipo instead of privoxy. They recommend it here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en |
| 18:59.45 | paipimenta | I can't use my flash drive to install my new .iso if I can't boot like this |
| 18:59.56 | abrotman | paipimenta: please go to ##hardware .. this is not a debian issue |
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| 19:00.05 | tuxG | xuser: i think the probleme come from libs |
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| 19:01.37 | samferry | abrotman, okay, I grabbed the sshd config off of my other debian box |
| 19:01.56 | samferry | abrotman, and now it throws three different errors about TCPKeepAlive, AcceptEnv, and UsePAM |
| 19:02.08 | samferry | pretty sure i just screwed up my sshd |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | hopefully you made a backup of the original |
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| 19:07.48 | stse | Hi! I'm running Debian Testing with kernel 2.6.31.3 and have problems with Logitech Attack 3 USB Joystick. Buttons 1 - 3 are not working. The other buttons and the three axis are working. |
| 19:08.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell stse about testing |
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| 19:10.06 | stse | jpinx-eeepc: thank you, I know about testing. I only like to know, if someone knows if this is a kernel problem or user space problem. |
| 19:10.20 | Conrad-T-Pino | i'm looking for wpa_supplicant examples; any web sites to recommend? |
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| 19:11.15 | paxcoder | i have a feeling i asked this before, but can't find it in logs: can dpkg tell me the license of a package, and how? |
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| 19:12.59 | hark | paxcoder: it can't |
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| 19:13.19 | paxcoder | any other ideas? |
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| 19:14.09 | xyan | Conrad-T-Pino: you have some there /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ |
| 19:14.13 | hark | Conrad-T-Pino: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ has some |
| 19:15.54 | xhairball | paxcoder: I'm curious about that too. if you find out, let me know. :) |
| 19:16.16 | paxcoder | xhairball: found it: less /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright |
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| 19:16.53 | paxcoder | xhairball: less is just a reader of course. |
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| 19:19.42 | xhairball | paxcoder: hmm but you can't (easily) categorize packages that way. It works for manually reviewing though. It would be nice if there was a package tag for it. license::gplv2 |
| 19:20.12 | paxcoder | :-/ yeah... |
| 19:20.44 | Conrad-T-Pino | xyan, hark: thanks guys, i've read those and still having trouble |
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| 19:21.45 | Conrad-T-Pino | i really i'm missing something obvious to the experienced; this is my first time with WPA2 on Debian ARMEL |
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| 19:21.59 | hark | xhairball: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/faq.html#any-reason-why-there-are-no-license-tags-in-debtags |
| 19:22.41 | hildebrandus | anybody has any idea if there is a replacement for kernel-archive.buildserver.net ? it seems to be down for long time. |
| 19:23.47 | chellomere | if I happen to have a crappy NIC (driver) which causes extra CPU usage, where would it be visible? would I see extra CPU usage in some kernel thread, or in the applications themselves? |
| 19:24.26 | wedjat | Conrad-T-Pino: type man wpa_supplicant and man wpa_supplicant.conf ;-) |
| 19:25.03 | Conrad-T-Pino | anybody have a working WPA2 for LinkSys WRT54GL configuration example? |
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| 19:25.11 | paxcoder | hark: can you please summarize? |
| 19:25.19 | voicu | I put SocketListener 192.168.1.0:9100 in the tor config. Shouldn't that mean that is accepts clients from IPs like 192.168.1.3? |
| 19:25.44 | voicu | *SocketListenAddress 192.168.1.0:9100 |
| 19:25.44 | hark | hildebrandus: not yet, it's down because of a UPS failure iirc |
| 19:26.33 | hildebrandus | hark: its been over two weeks i think. |
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| 19:26.45 | Conrad-T-Pino | wedjat: thanks, done that and used it but somethings still amiss. |
| 19:26.52 | hildebrandus | hark: repair doesn't take so much time |
| 19:27.06 | hark | hildebrandus: it's debian |
| 19:27.32 | wedjat | Conrad-T-Pino: what is your problem exactly ? |
| 19:27.48 | voicu | nevermind, I setup my firewall incorrectly |
| 19:28.38 | hark | paxcoder: summarize what exactly? |
| 19:29.21 | paxcoder | hark: I can't see real arguments against. |
| 19:29.22 | Conrad-T-Pino | i'm playing with Zipit Z2 running lenny for ARMEL; works when WRT54GL wireless security is disabled; haven't found right magic for WPA2 Personal setup. |
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| 19:29.36 | hildebrandus | hark: wonderful summary! know any other similar sites? |
| 19:29.45 | xuser | Is there a quick way to know when installing a pkg with aptitude which of the dependencys that are going to be install are already installed? |
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| 19:31.07 | macrobat | aptitude -s for simulation? :) |
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| 19:32.03 | Conrad-T-Pino | wedjat: how's your day going? |
| 19:32.53 | xuser | macrobat: good enough :) |
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| 19:34.43 | hildebrandus | hark: ok let it be backports seems to have something newer. tx. cya |
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| 19:35.20 | xhairball | paxcoder: it appears to be a limitation of the package tags implementation. It cannot express the logic for licenses (dual licensed software, software with components under different licenses, etc). As far as I read, that's the main limitation preventing a license tag. |
| 19:35.28 | wedjat | Conrad-T-Pino: try a iwlist wlanX scan |
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| 19:35.47 | wedjat | Conrad-T-Pino: then copy the parameters for the ESSID into the config file |
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| 19:38.29 | paxcoder | xhairball: it could be done. there would just need to be someone who'd be able to say what is compatible with what, and then create a base of compatibility. The rest: "icense (+another license) << other licenses of asimilated code" could be expressed by tags. |
| 19:38.46 | paxcoder | s/base/database |
| 19:39.18 | paxcoder | *expressed by tags and machine readable/interpretable. |
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| 19:41.58 | paxcoder | envisions interesting graphs of packages and their licenses, and their dependencies' licenses and relationships and possible outcomes (licenses available for derivatives) |
| 19:43.20 | paxcoder | Come to think of it, I know nothing of tags, but if it can have a string, it can have a syntax, and thus an interpreter of that syntax. |
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| 19:45.37 | xhairball | paxcoder: well of course it could be done. :) I think the issue is the tags specification isn't expressive enough for licenses. It is a string, but it has to have a rigid syntax or debtags couldn't do much with it. Someone would have to edit the spec and the associated tools. |
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| 19:46.50 | paxcoder | xhairball: well sure things have to be changed. That is implied. |
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| 19:47.21 | dondelelcaro | paxcoder: licenses don't necessarily apply to the entire work; they'res often a mixture of licenses on a work |
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| 19:47.43 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro: yes, hence the syntax. |
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| 19:48.14 | paxcoder | let me try to devise one (example) |
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| 19:49.18 | paxcoder | will have to make it up, so don't hold your breath. |
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| 19:50.29 | Conrad-T-Pino | wedjet: can you explain SSID vs BSSID vs ESSID? |
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| 19:51.29 | voicu | how can I update the time with a NTP server? |
| 19:51.52 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 19:51.53 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 19:51.54 | Conrad-T-Pino | voicu: apt-get install ntp |
| 19:52.24 | voicu | ok, now what? |
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| 19:52.38 | voicu | oh, it's a server, it updates automatically? |
| 19:52.57 | dondelelcaro | voicu: right |
| 19:53.00 | Conrad-T-Pino | NTPD will reset time within limits when Internet is accessable. |
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| 19:53.09 | Conrad-T-Pino | does ntpdate work for you? |
| 19:53.14 | valentin | Hi there, im trying to setup an imap server but all the test mail i send end up in /var/mail/ and i cant logon using my ssh account. How can i change that? |
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| 19:53.35 | abrotman | valentin: using which SMTP server ? |
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| 19:54.20 | valentin | Erm abrotman mine, i want to use my root server with its configured domain to handle ma mail |
| 19:54.49 | abrotman | yes .. which program is handling incoming mail? |
| 19:55.00 | valentin | postfix ? |
| 19:55.04 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro: xhairball: actually this (C-like boolean operators) should suffice: (gpl-3.0 || lgpl-2.1*) << MIT && (BSD* || Artistic) << PD |
| 19:55.14 | abrotman | valentin: it does matter .. please make sure |
| 19:55.15 | voicu | Conrad-T-Pino: ntpdate says "no servers can be used, exiting" |
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| 19:55.27 | valentin | abrotman: how can i check? |
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| 19:55.44 | abrotman | valentin: telnet localhost 25 ? |
| 19:56.07 | paxcoder | This would mean: software is dual-licensed under GPLv3, and LGPL, it includes MIT code, and code which is dual licensed under BSD and artistic license, derived from public domain. |
| 19:56.23 | paxcoder | also, add an asterisk alongside MIT and PD |
| 19:56.33 | paxcoder | Asterisk mean the "most permissive" way. |
| 19:56.44 | paxcoder | (this could be calculated by the machine, doesn't need to be in the tag) |
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| 19:57.18 | paxcoder | And based on the most permissive way, one could see his/her licensing options |
| 19:57.40 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: netstat -anp | grep :25 |
| 19:57.40 | valentin | abrotman: its sendmail |
| 19:57.40 | abrotman | really? |
| 19:58.06 | Conrad-T-Pino | voicu: ntpdate clock.isc.org |
| 19:58.07 | paxcoder | Dependencies are addressed separately, this is just for the code in the package itself. |
| 19:58.21 | valentin | yes abrotman i checked with thelnet and netstat |
| 19:58.51 | valentin | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14465/sendmail: MTA |
| 19:59.08 | voicu | Conrad-T-Pino: now it said "the NTP socket is in use, exiting" |
| 19:59.09 | wedjat | Conrad-T-Pino: i don't know what means ESSID with iwlist wlanX scan. I think that it is similar to SSID. BSSID stands for the MAC address of the access point. |
| 19:59.16 | voicu | that means it was working, right? |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | valentin: a) most people don't really want to use sendmail, they use exim or postfix b) depending on your IMAP server, putting mail in /var/mail/ is fine .. i suspect you're really saying you want Maildir in each user's $HOME ? |
| 19:59.56 | Conrad-T-Pino | voicu: that means NTPD is running; do first: /etc/init.d/ntp stop |
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| 20:00.03 | paxcoder | Actually, one only needs to know the most permissive "end" license of the package as a whole to know his / her options. |
| 20:00.07 | Der_Trolly | Ey fresh DEBIANS! |
| 20:00.19 | Der_Trolly | Everything fresh with YOU?!?!?!? |
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| 20:00.28 | abrotman | Der_Trolly: do you need Debian help? |
| 20:00.42 | Der_Trolly | Yes, of coursely! |
| 20:00.54 | voicu | Conrad-T-Pino: ah, thanks, it worked now |
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| 20:01.04 | Der_Trolly | I am just not knowing aming what debian is being! |
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| 20:01.11 | valentin | abrotman: a; i want what most people want so i deinstall sendmail and install postfix b; not neccesary i just want to recieve all mail sent do the domain using a client like thunderbird :-) |
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| 20:01.33 | Conrad-T-Pino | Postfix, Postfix, Postfix!!! YEAAAAA Postfix! |
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| 20:01.47 | Der_Trolly | I have noch never geheard of it yetly! |
| 20:01.52 | abrotman | valentin: if you install postfix, setting up Maildir is pretty easy .. but as I said, it's really up to your IMAP server as to where it will look for mail .. if you use something like postfix and dovecot, it should work pretty well |
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| 20:02.00 | azeem | Der_Trolly: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 20:02.00 | abrotman | Der_Trolly: please be quiet |
| 20:02.06 | Conrad-T-Pino | voicu: /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 20:02.30 | Der_Trolly | Why am i in the wrong chanel aming? Where do i must become there? |
| 20:02.39 | voicu | yep, got it |
| 20:02.39 | Conrad-T-Pino | NTPD will start on boot and you'll always be time synchronized; Internet permitting |
| 20:02.48 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro: xhairball: anyway, I still caliam it's easy. If you think dependencies are the problem, imagine you can just select which of them are necessary for your derivative work, and again, the "most permissive way" is automatically devised. |
| 20:03.00 | Der_Trolly | Where do i must become to? |
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| 20:03.27 | Conrad-T-Pino | Postfix help available here! |
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| 20:03.42 | Der_Trolly | Hey i have you anything gequestioned! |
| 20:03.49 | abrotman | Der_Trolly: please be quiet |
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| 20:05.11 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro: xhairball: comments please? |
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| 20:07.18 | valentin | abrotman: ok now i have deinstalled sendmail and installed postfix. Then i stopped the sendmail service and startet the postfix service. but netstat is still showing sendmail. What am i missing? |
| 20:07.27 | paxcoder | dondelelcaro: xhairball actually, here it is: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#index4h4 |
| 20:07.43 | abrotman | valentin: try with telnet |
| 20:08.12 | valentin | abrotman: sendmail too |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | valentin: it really shouldn't be unless your sendmail wasn't a debian package |
| 20:08.37 | linuxjones317 | i have a blackberry with a sd card in it, and it " has errors" like when i connect it to my computer i can see everything on the card but i cant from the phone, it tells me to use an error checking program, so thats what im looking for, any suggestions? |
| 20:08.40 | abrotman | valentin: can you paste the string it prints in here |
| 20:08.44 | azeem | Der_Trolly: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 20:08.45 | abrotman | just the single line |
| 20:08.57 | azeem | pease try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 20:09.02 | azeem | this is a support channel, not a chat room |
| 20:09.12 | valentin | abrotman: 220 domain.de ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:07:58 GMT; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: localhost(OK)-localhost [127.0.0.1] |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | valentin: dpkg -l sendmail* .. do you see anything ? |
| 20:10.12 | valentin | abrotman: yes many |
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| 20:10.42 | abrotman | valentin: put it in paste.debian.net |
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| 20:11.17 | Conrad-T-Pino | postfix listener: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2756/master |
| 20:11.37 | valentin | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/48720/ |
| 20:12.37 | abrotman | valentin: those aren't installed anymore |
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| 20:13.07 | valentin | ok, so why is sendmail still running? |
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| 20:15.39 | xhairball | paxcoder: yeah that looks like it would work. I think the license short name will be a lot longer though. For instance, what about 1,2,3,4 clause BSD licenses? It's ambiguous to call it a BSD license. |
| 20:16.10 | valentin | abrotman: /etc/init.d/sendmail status ... MTA: is not running |
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| 20:16.56 | valentin | abrotman: and if i do a /etc/init.d/postfix start ... it wont start becaous /etc/init.d/postfix status ... is telling me it is not running |
| 20:16.56 | paxcoder | xhairball: I think there are two of those, and one is considered non-free |
| 20:16.58 | xhairball | and it says GPL rather than what version (1, 1+, 2, 2+, 3, 3+)? |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | valentin: use pgrep |
| 20:17.32 | CodeNinja | can I give one network connection more than one IP ? |
| 20:17.33 | paxcoder | xhairball: if you're looking at the spec, it's a short name, the long name has a version of course |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | valentin: see which process is attached to 25 |
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| 20:18.01 | paxcoder | xhairball: example from the linked page: GPL-2+ or Artistic-2.0, and BSD-C3 |
| 20:18.17 | paxcoder | that should answer all of your objections. |
| 20:18.39 | xhairball | paxcoder: yeah should have read more of it :) |
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| 20:19.30 | Cryptic_Donkey | When erver i install the open sound system from a .deb package i downloaded from the oss website it borks up sounf in youtube videos |
| 20:19.38 | valentin | abrotman: how do i do that ? |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | valentin: fuser -n tcp 25 |
| 20:20.19 | xhairball | paxcoder: what about custom licenses? It's not a problem for this copyright file, but what about a package tag? Shouldn't there be a master list of all licenses (including short names for custom ones)? Otherwise, how do you have a package tag on a custom license? |
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| 20:21.11 | valentin | abrotman: 25/tcp: 14465 which is sendmail-mta |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | valentin: so kill it |
| 20:21.43 | valentin | abrotman: dead |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | can you start postfix now ? |
| 20:22.18 | Conrad-T-Pino | default postfix configuration is pretty secure |
| 20:22.22 | voicu | this is getting kinda offtopic but how can I see how much traffic tor is doing? |
| 20:22.23 | valentin | abrotman: yes started and confirmed |
| 20:22.34 | paxcoder | xhairball: of course there would be a master list. For each package, after deciding weather it license meets DFSG, it should be added to that list if not already there. |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | so now when you telnet ? |
| 20:23.05 | valentin | abrotman: postfix :-) |
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| 20:23.17 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: edit /etc/postfix/main.cf then sudo postfix reload |
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| 20:23.50 | abrotman | valentin: now if you want postfix to deliver to do Maildir .. add the line 'mailbox_home=Maildir/' to your main.cf and restart postfix .. i believe dovecot automagically looks in $HOME |
| 20:24.12 | valentin | ok |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | sorry .. home_mailbox=Maildir/ |
| 20:24.38 | valentin | and the imap password to set in outlook thunderbird is the same as the ssh password? |
| 20:24.41 | valentin | ok |
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| 20:25.41 | Cryptic_Donkey | !flash' |
| 20:25.44 | Cryptic_Donkey | !flash |
| 20:25.45 | dpkg | i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | !tell Cryptic_Donkey about msg the bot |
| 20:26.14 | xhairball | paxcoder: in this proposal, if it's not in the list, it gets the short name 'other'. It could be a DFSG compatible license or a non-free license and it's still labeled other. |
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| 20:26.54 | Cryptic_Donkey | !gnash |
| 20:26.54 | dpkg | from memory, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software <Flash> player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. Ask me about <gnash_etch>. |
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| 20:27.09 | Cryptic_Donkey | !gnash_etch |
| 20:27.09 | dpkg | i heard gnash_etch is After adding a mirror for <backports.org>, aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash libqt3-mt=3:3.3.8b-5~bpo40+1 && x-www-browser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw |
| 20:27.11 | paxcoder | xhairball: I'm sure if it'd get important enough it'd get its entry. |
| 20:27.23 | abrotman | CyberGabber: msg the bot |
| 20:27.25 | paxcoder | Cryptic_Donkey: you can do that in private with /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 20:27.58 | valentin | thanks abrotman for your help! |
| 20:28.14 | abrotman | valentin: all working ? |
| 20:28.35 | valentin | i think so :-) |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | valentin: make sure you test with a reboot to see if whatever was running sendmail is really gone |
| 20:28.56 | valentin | ok |
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| 20:32.37 | Cryptic_Donkey | paxcoder: I am getting really grainy sound in falsh videos on you tube, almost a screach in my speakers |
| 20:33.03 | zahna | are all gems installed from deb packages put in a special location to where i can run "gem install" safely? |
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| 20:34.01 | paxcoder | Cryptic_Donkey: sorry, wouldn't know. |
| 20:34.23 | xhairball | paxcoder: I think this proposal needs a short name for: OtherDFSG and NonFree. Then you could know roughly what the license is about. Or it could assign a short name to every license. Having a package tag: other doesn't tell you much unless you look at what section it's in. Once/if this gets implemented, the section tag could be computed. |
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| 20:35.02 | zahna | after installing rails from deb, running "gem list" doesn't show any gems installed. i'm just wondering if that is a general debian policy |
| 20:35.11 | paxcoder | xhairball: that can be read from the package's repo. |
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| 20:37.36 | valentin | abrotman: i cant quite send mails. I have tryed to send to gmx, the error messeage was: 5.7.1 <name@gmx.net>: Relay access denied. |
| 20:37.54 | abrotman | valentin: you might have to actually configure postfix |
| 20:38.07 | valentin | abrotman: :-) ok |
| 20:38.25 | valentin | abrotman: reding the f**** manual |
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| 20:38.54 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html |
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| 20:39.37 | zahna | what's the bot name in here? |
| 20:39.45 | TTimo | hello. anyone know why sid wants to uninstall dmsetup and lvm2 if I try to install gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 20:39.54 | simonrvn | zahna: why would there be any gems installed? |
| 20:39.55 | zahna | i need to ask about how long releases are supported |
| 20:41.00 | Arrowmaster | TTimo: something with gvfs |
| 20:41.05 | macrobat | there are judd, dpkg and debhelper bots |
| 20:41.11 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 20:41.20 | macrobat | zahna: you want dpkg, i think |
| 20:41.22 | TTimo | yeah, that devicekit-disks apparently |
| 20:41.23 | zahna | simonrvn: because i would install them |
| 20:42.03 | simonrvn | via gem yes |
| 20:42.25 | simonrvn | don't expect to see any installed via a .deb |
| 20:42.26 | Conrad-T-Pino | abrotman: tell valentin i can guide him with postfix |
| 20:42.35 | zahna | yeah, i'm just wanting to make sure the gems installed via deb packages don't interfere with gems installed via the gem command |
| 20:42.46 | valentin | Conrad-T-Pino: i read you and your help is most welcome |
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| 20:43.31 | zahna | that would suck to break something like puppet installed via deb package because i accidently overwrote a gem installed via the gem command |
| 20:43.45 | Conrad-T-Pino | i already know postfix manual; can send you to correct "main.cf" value as needed |
| 20:43.59 | abrotman | Conrad-T-Pino: he's reading you .. but he should really read it himself |
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| 20:44.55 | Conrad-T-Pino | abrotman: yes, he will eventually but for now why not random acts of mercy? |
| 20:45.13 | abrotman | why not let him learn? |
| 20:45.19 | valentin | Conrad-T-Pino: i like acts of mercy :-) |
| 20:45.50 | Conrad-T-Pino | time is precious and often money |
| 20:45.55 | valentin | abrotman: im not in it im into Physics and doing this for a non profit organization |
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| 20:46.09 | abrotman | he didn't say he's in a hurry .. if he really were, he'd probably ask #postfix |
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| 20:47.51 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: main.cf: myhostname = your.hostname.here |
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| 20:49.09 | valentin | Conrad-T-Pino: thats already in there. |
| 20:49.41 | valentin | Conrad-T-Pino: the www. is missing. Does that matter? |
| 20:49.59 | valentin | Conrad-T-Pino: or do i have to put my static ip in there? |
| 20:50.31 | Conrad-T-Pino | valentin: this is better http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relay_from |
| 20:50.32 | abrotman | valentin: please go to #postfix to learn how to configure postfix |
| 20:50.43 | valentin | ok |
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| 20:50.57 | cvandonderen_ | hi |
| 20:50.59 | abrotman | the postfix.org docs are pretty good .. read those, ask #postfix if you have questions |
| 20:51.14 | cvandonderen_ | where can I find the package generation files for libqt4? |
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| 20:51.32 | Conrad-T-Pino | hostname is arbitray really but should agree with hostname -f |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | cvandonderen_: you mean the sources? |
| 20:52.27 | cvandonderen_ | abrotman: the sources for the package generation |
| 20:52.31 | cvandonderen_ | like the control file |
| 20:52.32 | zahna | oh dang, i just discovered the crappy situation of overwriting a gem installed via package with a gem installed via the gem command can happen on RedHat/CentOS, but doesn't look like it can happen in Debian |
| 20:53.22 | abrotman | !tell cvandonderen_ about sources |
| 20:53.25 | abrotman | !tell cvandonderen_ about debian/rules |
| 20:53.28 | abrotman | !tell cvandonderen_ about source |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | the first one was wrong |
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| 20:54.22 | cvandonderen_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:54.24 | cvandonderen_ | but hmm |
| 20:54.35 | cvandonderen_ | it's for Maemo |
| 20:55.01 | abrotman | then ask #maemo .. |
| 20:55.43 | cvandonderen_ | abrotman: I'm doing that :-P |
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| 20:57.46 | Newbie16 | grub 2 ROCKS! |
| 20:58.05 | Newbie16 | all the menu entries look tiny at 1680x1050 |
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| 21:03.29 | paxcoder | Newbie16: wha? Howd... |
| 21:03.39 | paxcoder | this is madness. |
| 21:03.46 | Newbie16 | paxcoder: grub2 is in debian sid |
| 21:04.40 | paxcoder | i know, didn't work out for me afai remember. I don't see how can it use such a high resolution. |
| 21:04.57 | Newbie16 | in the new grub's config |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | grub2 is in all versions of debian |
| 21:05.13 | abrotman | judd: versions grub2 |
| 21:05.14 | judd | abrotman: grub2 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 squeeze: 1.97~beta3-1 sid: 1.97~beta4-1 |
| 21:05.22 | abrotman | well .. i guess not etch, if you're still using that |
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| 21:06.39 | Newbie16 | paxcoder: in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:06.43 | Newbie16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.44 | Newbie16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.07 | Newbie16 | and that gives you a native resolution at all times from grub > Xorg |
| 21:07.45 | paxcoder | Sorry can you explain that last line? |
| 21:07.51 | paxcoder | (not the config) |
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| 21:08.57 | Newbie16 | paxcoder: well gfxmode sets grub's resolution to 1680x1050, then gfxpayload sets the tty to 1680x1050 and xorg runs at 1680x1050, no more blurry text, ever! |
| 21:10.57 | paxcoder | Newbie16: how much longer does it take to load? |
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| 21:11.05 | paxcoder | (the grub) |
| 21:11.23 | Newbie16 | well i haven't made it my default yet, seems to be about the same speed |
| 21:11.46 | Newbie16 | still testing with grub1 |
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| 21:12.45 | Newbie16 | i plan to add a bootable livecd to one of the paritions so i can get my self out of messy situations before grub2 hits the mbr |
| 21:12.51 | Newbie16 | wait |
| 21:12.54 | smithp | how would I force xorg to use the native 1680X1050 resolution of my dell 2005 fpw monitor |
| 21:13.05 | Newbie16 | on nvm, i can tell bios to boot from the second drive |
| 21:13.07 | paxcoder | I knew it was VESA. |
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| 21:14.30 | Newbie16 | smithp: isn't it already at that resolution? |
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| 21:14.38 | Newbie16 | paxcoder: whats wrong with vesa? |
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| 21:16.18 | paxcoder | Newbie16: Nothing. It's just that it doesn't run on all cards, so you can't really rely on it when making a GUI for an operating system. I just said - i thought it was VESA that's responsible (loading X would be madness ;-) ). |
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| 21:17.06 | Newbie16 | couldn't it be made default for nvidia, ati and intel cards? they must surely support it |
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| 21:20.41 | paxcoder | Newbie16: good question. sry. gtg now. |
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| 21:25.06 | Sergio` | Any ideas on how to speed up my system to the maximum? Setting proper BIOS options, hdparm, tailoring the kernel, removing desnecessary processes, a good framebuffer?... |
| 21:25.22 | azeem | Sergio`: sounds good |
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| 21:25.35 | Sergio` | azeem: any more ideas? |
| 21:25.40 | azeem | no |
| 21:25.43 | Sergio` | Okay. |
| 21:25.49 | azeem | well |
| 21:25.59 | azeem | set /bin/sh to dash if you haven't already |
| 21:26.16 | Sergio` | dash is more efficient than bash? |
| 21:26.31 | azeem | eh |
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| 21:26.41 | azeem | if it wasn't, then it wouldn't be faster, no? |
| 21:26.50 | Sergio` | I never used it. |
| 21:26.53 | Sergio` | Thanks. |
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| 21:27.41 | teckbee | hi all , i m (running lenny) trying to connect dell projector , can someone point me any howtos ? |
| 21:28.29 | cahoot | teckbee: does it show up in xrandr -q? |
| 21:28.59 | Conrad-T-Pino | teckbee: display setup is VERY display card driver dependant; which card are you using? |
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| 21:30.09 | teckbee | intel 945 GM |
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| 21:31.04 | cahoot | teckbee: tried xrandr --output VGA --auto? |
| 21:31.14 | gjl | Is there anything sidux adds to sid to justify calling it a separate distro? |
| 21:31.46 | teckbee | thanks , its connecting |
| 21:32.42 | gjl | otherwise I'll just go with sid |
| 21:33.14 | cahoot | gjl: they might know better in #sidux |
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| 21:36.17 | abrotman | #sidux is on oftc IIRC |
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| 21:58.50 | gjl | Why is there nothing to download here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/? |
| 21:59.04 | jetscreamer | you're not worthy |
| 21:59.14 | gjl | :( |
| 21:59.43 | abrotman | gjl: not supposed to be? |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | use a daily |
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| 22:00.02 | jetscreamer | cdimage.debian.org is a round robin iirc, 'maybe' some servers don't do the weeklies |
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| 22:00.48 | jetscreamer | gjl: you might ask in #debian-boot (iirc) where you could get a weekly or daily |
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| 22:00.57 | abrotman | the daily is linked on the page |
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| 22:00.58 | jetscreamer | or what abrotman said |
| 22:01.03 | gjl | I've found the dailies - thanks all |
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| 22:21.32 | matteus_blanc | anyone familiar with the lenny gnutls bug in ldap 2.4.11? |
| 22:22.45 | matteus_blanc | I have loopback queries working with ldaps but when I use an external client based on the openssl libraries it fails |
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| 22:22.57 | azeem | fails how? |
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| 22:39.47 | warthog | hello folks, i am trying to get a windows vm going using kvm. i am using squeeze. when i try to boot the vm all it shows is blank screen and i can't figure out what's wrong http://pastebin.com/m2733d4da is the list of steps., i would appreciate if someone can shed light |
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| 22:49.00 | avuton | I accidentally just deleted my dev nodes on stable, help? (Computer's still up, ssh is down due to it and I have physical access) |
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| 22:54.56 | abrotman | avuton: reboot ? |
| 22:55.22 | LtL | avuton: /dev should re-populate on reboot |
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| 22:56.36 | Sweetandy | why does python-docutils not install specific python files included in the source, such as rst2html.py, but only the binary executable version? |
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| 22:56.56 | Sweetandy | I'm having dependency problems because of it, and don't know where to put rst2html.py from the source code |
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| 22:58.26 | Sweetandy | i don't want to compile from source because of apt |
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| 23:02.10 | steampunkey | what all have been waiting for i'm sure: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14882 ;-) [notice the attempt to increase publicity of the channel - and thus the distro] |
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| 23:03.40 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.20 | azeem | sigp239: don't think so; at least not easily |
| 23:05.32 | adb | bootcd |
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| 23:28.37 | Andorin | Has anyone tinkered with the default notifier? I'd love to change its theme. |
| 23:28.40 | Andorin | Not sure how, though. |
| 23:29.15 | bryn1u|Na | hello everyone |
| 23:29.20 | Andorin | And by "notifier" I mean, for example, the little window that pops up when someone IMs you or such. |
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| 23:30.06 | Andorin | I also think it would be nice to be able to change its position, and the amount of time it's up. |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | Andorin: in which DE/WM ? |
| 23:30.54 | Andorin | GNOME. |
| 23:31.08 | Andorin | With whichever WM is default. |
| 23:31.10 | abrotman | Andorin: you mean change it from being blue ? |
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| 23:31.46 | abrotman | Andorin: depends which version of gnome you have i'd guess .. mine has a preferences entry for the Pop-Up notifications |
| 23:31.52 | macrobat | sigp239: maybe this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=25752&sid=ba5ab472362e74aa3b67a7c9431e0bff |
| 23:31.53 | abrotman | Andorin: though it only has one theme available |
| 23:32.18 | Andorin | Somewhat but not really. I used Ubuntu before Debian, and it had a much nicer notifier. The whole thing was black, with white text, and included an image of the program it referred to. |
| 23:32.22 | azeem | maybe look at notify-osd |
| 23:32.35 | azeem | (which is from Ubuntu) |
| 23:32.54 | Andorin | I don't necessarily need that specific theme, but I think it'd be nice to be able to adjust its overall look. |
| 23:33.10 | Andorin | In addition, as I said, I'd like to change its position and the amount of time it's up. |
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| 23:33.39 | azeem | Andorin: usually, it is positioned next to the applet that is notifying you |
| 23:34.19 | M06w | Yo, so I'm using the built in vnc server, how do I get it so I don't need to locally log in before being able to access the machine remotely? |
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| 23:35.30 | Andorin | azeem: Which is cool, except that the notifier covers that area entirely, whereas the Ubuntu notifier would appear right underneath the panel. |
| 23:36.00 | azeem | 01:32 < azeem> maybe look at notify-osd |
| 23:36.34 | Andorin | Not found. |
| 23:36.41 | Andorin | What source? |
| 23:36.59 | azeem | it's only in testing and unstable |
| 23:37.06 | Andorin | I'm on Stable. |
| 23:37.34 | streuner | !backports |
| 23:37.35 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 23:37.49 | Andorin | Forgot about those. |
| 23:38.01 | Andorin | No results. |
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| 23:38.15 | Andorin | Okay, wait, found it. |
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| 23:39.12 | Andorin | The question, of course, is whether I want to install something from testing. |
| 23:39.15 | Insectoid | Brand new install, apt-get update, Ign http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/contrib Packages/DiffIndex and several others -- I assume I need to add something to my keyring. What and How? |
| 23:39.19 | Andorin | ...and then how to do it. |
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| 23:39.35 | azeem | Andorin: backport it |
| 23:40.41 | Andorin | azeem: It's not in lenny's backports... |
| 23:40.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: what are you trying to install? |
| 23:40.56 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/notify-osd |
| 23:40.58 | jpinx-eeepc | is too laxy to read the backscroll |
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| 23:41.52 | azeem | Andorin: I suggest *you* backport it |
| 23:41.57 | azeem | backport is also a verb |
| 23:42.02 | jpinx-eeepc | can to tailor that to popup fro your own selecton of events? |
| 23:42.08 | azeem | Andorin: or just live with the regular GNOME notifications |
| 23:42.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you could ssb it ;) |
| 23:42.25 | jpinx-eeepc | if it's not in backports.org |
| 23:42.28 | Andorin | Too much information about which I know nothing. >_< |
| 23:42.33 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 23:42.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ok did you look in backports.org ? |
| 23:42.52 | cantido | does >_< mean taking a poo? |
| 23:43.11 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: Yup, I searched. the package only exists in testing and unstable. I'm on stable. |
| 23:43.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: me too |
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| 23:43.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: did you read /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:44.15 | jpinx-eeepc | so you can make your own backport |
| 23:44.16 | Andorin | I did just now. |
| 23:44.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: at least you'll be able to purge it if it doesn't work... ;) |
| 23:44.57 | Andorin | Right. |
| 23:45.01 | Andorin | Okay, it says this: |
| 23:45.04 | Andorin | If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 23:45.20 | Andorin | Not sure what the URL for that would be. |
| 23:45.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: it's ok - I know what ssb says |
| 23:45.46 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc, I was pasting that to show what my question is about. |
| 23:45.47 | azeem | Andorin: then maybe the effort isn't worth it |
| 23:45.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: paste your sources.list |
| 23:46.15 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastebin.com/d27ec89f2 |
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| 23:47.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 23:47.16 | Andorin | Thanks. |
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| 23:49.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: if you're new to compiling (like me) -> http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm |
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| 23:53.44 | Andorin | Following the instructions from dpkg, when I run apt-get build-dep notify-osd, I get an error. "E: Build-Depends dependency for notify-osd cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" |
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| 23:56.14 | M06w | on a scale from talking dogs to spiderman, how completely unfeasible would it be to directly convert an install of debian into a different linux distro? |
| 23:56.45 | Insectoid | Brand new install, apt-get update, Ign http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/contrib Packages/DiffIndex and several others -- I assume I need to add Removed volatile from my sources.list, re-ran aptitude update, and it still ignores everything. |
| 23:57.01 | Insectoid | God damn it! |
| 23:57.14 | M06w | figured it out just after asking? |
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| 23:57.27 | Insectoid | That was not supposed to go up a line. I said: I removed volatile from my sources.list, re-ran aptitude update, and it still ignores. tried re-installing debian-archive-keyring sans luck |
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| 23:58.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: looks like notify-osd is not backportable then |
| 23:59.30 | Andorin | In that case, screw it, I guess. |
| 23:59.52 | jpinx-eeepc | I might be wrong - it wouldn't be the first time ;) |
