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| 00:00.11 | monkey_d_luffy | How do I configure KDE 3.5.9 font encoding settings? For example, the webpage http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O101-Shkan.html has its text shown ok in iceweasel/opera, but not on the kde window bar (which has implications in text copy-paste), which displays a square instead of the "o with a hat". |
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| 00:00.32 | odla | damn ... it's always the easiest fixes :/ |
| 00:00.39 | CodeNinja | hah |
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| 00:02.01 | odla | gnarface: thanks |
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| 00:03.19 | gnarface | damn i forgot to ask odla what the hell programs he was running that complained with the default terminal behaviors |
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| 00:03.38 | gnarface | i haven't had any trouble like that since i quit using redhat |
| 00:04.10 | CodeNinja | redhat :( |
| 00:04.18 | CodeNinja | it ate 350GB of space, thats why I don't use it |
| 00:04.29 | nsadmin | probably there isn't a terminal environment while starting xdm or whatever (unless it's the first free VC) |
| 00:04.35 | CodeNinja | install didn't prompt me, and just did its thing |
| 00:04.38 | gnarface | i just got sick of having to run xset crap to use emacs properly |
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| 00:05.22 | littlebear | gnarface, no the user the initial setup creates in addition to root |
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| 00:05.36 | nsadmin | emacs still doesn't know how to interpret printcap entries properly |
| 00:05.51 | gnarface | its utf-8 implementation is garbage too |
| 00:05.56 | gnarface | but i have faith that they'll fix it :) |
| 00:06.17 | nsadmin | the printcap thing is older than dirt |
| 00:06.19 | gnarface | it does what i need it to do very well (write xhtml and php) |
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| 00:06.38 | gnarface | ... with a couple 3rd party addons, that is |
| 00:06.42 | gnarface | its the addons i like the most |
| 00:07.00 | CodeNinja | I need to find a better way to manage my firewall rules :( nano + ~120 line file for the lose |
| 00:07.14 | nsadmin | running psql inside an emacs shell is pretty cool too |
| 00:07.19 | macrobat | bah, cant find anything with customize. emacs is like a maze |
| 00:07.25 | gnarface | yea the nice thing about emacs is if compiled with large file support it does very well with arbitrarily large file sizes |
| 00:07.31 | gnarface | macrobat: you have your quest. get to it |
| 00:07.53 | gnarface | macrobat: i recommend backing up your .emacs file first ;) |
| 00:07.59 | cretsiah | query? I have debian net-install pkg's core, base x-org twm, iceweasel, conky how would i background conky to start when i type startx? |
| 00:08.34 | gnarface | cretsiah: add it to your ~/.xinitrc with an & at the end of the line, i think |
| 00:08.46 | streuner_ | edit /etc/X11/.xsession |
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| 00:09.12 | gnarface | streuner_: i thought xsession was for graphical login managers only? startx uses .xinitrc doesn't it? |
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| 00:09.42 | nsadmin | cretsiah: how are you starting twm? |
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| 00:11.04 | cretsiah | twm starts when i type startx ... each window has to be placed somewhere on the screen |
| 00:11.14 | streuner_ | s/edit /etc/X11/.xsession/edit /home/<user>/.xsession/ |
| 00:11.33 | gnarface | streuner_, cretsiah i swear its ~/.xinitrc isn't it? |
| 00:12.01 | gnarface | could be wrong but uses startx all the time |
| 00:12.05 | streuner_ | well, i use xsession, there are other ways to do it |
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| 00:12.54 | cretsiah | when i installed x-org i wrote " apt-get install xorg twm " |
| 00:12.56 | Rezagrats | Does Debian not know what eSata is ? |
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| 00:14.14 | abrotman | Rezagrats: it shouldn't have to .. nothing special about it |
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| 00:14.26 | nsadmin | I think the global XSession looks for .xinitrc and .xsession |
| 00:14.26 | cretsiah | brb |
| 00:14.29 | abrotman | Rezagrats: more likely it doesn't know about your SATA controller |
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| 00:14.37 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
| 00:14.41 | Rezagrats | How do i fix that? ? |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | Rezagrats: do you have the PCIID of the device ? |
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| 00:14.58 | Rezagrats | Umm |
| 00:14.59 | nsadmin | find the driver that goes with it |
| 00:15.14 | Rezagrats | The serial ? |
| 00:15.20 | abrotman | Rezagrats: lspci -nn |
| 00:15.30 | nsadmin | are you in linux now? |
| 00:15.34 | gnarface | Rezagrats: also sometimes SATA controllers only work if you set "IDE EMULATION MODE" or something similar to it in the BIOS |
| 00:15.40 | nsadmin | do what abrotman is telling you |
| 00:15.55 | nsadmin | then look for your sata controller |
| 00:16.18 | nsadmin | you'll see a 1234:abcd looking thing at the end of the line |
| 00:16.31 | nsadmin | that's the pciid |
| 00:16.35 | monkey_d_luffy | Can someone recomend me good CJK UTF-8 fonts? |
| 00:16.36 | Rezagrats | 1002:4390 |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1002:4390 |
| 00:16.47 | judd | abrotman: [1002:4390] is 'SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4390 |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | says it should be recognized in lenny |
| 00:17.51 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
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| 00:17.58 | Rezagrats | I think it's the name of the drive. D: |
| 00:18.15 | simonrvn | uh, what? |
| 00:18.35 | Rezagrats | I can't really paste it but it has katana in it. |
| 00:18.40 | Rezagrats | Katakana* |
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| 00:20.15 | abrotman | wtf is katakana? |
| 00:20.33 | nsadmin | japanese |
| 00:20.55 | Rezagrats | ^ |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | i meant .. why is it on your HDD ? |
| 00:21.06 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana |
| 00:21.09 | Rezagrats | Because i named it like that |
| 00:21.10 | Rezagrats | . |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | i don't think the name matters |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | i thought maybe it was some weird distro |
| 00:22.01 | Rezagrats | mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /) |
| 00:22.04 | Rezagrats | "*" |
| 00:22.32 | CodeNinja | try escaping it? |
| 00:22.45 | nsadmin | you mean you named the mount point dir with that? |
| 00:22.46 | abrotman | what is the mount point ? |
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| 00:23.47 | Rezagrats | There is no mount point because it hasn't been- unable to have been- mounted. |
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| 00:23.59 | Rezagrats | And idk the /dev/ |
| 00:24.40 | Rezagrats | It's ntfs... maybe debian doesn't recognize ? |
| 00:24.44 | nsadmin | it would be helpful for you to know what kind of thing a mount point can be |
| 00:25.03 | Rezagrats | /media/ |
| 00:25.04 | nsadmin | that's part of what you need anyway |
| 00:25.29 | Rezagrats | So anyways~ |
| 00:25.36 | Rezagrats | It's in computer:/// |
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| 00:25.54 | Rezagrats | And that's the only way i' |
| 00:25.59 | Rezagrats | m seeing it. |
| 00:26.16 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish at the moment? |
| 00:26.22 | Rezagrats | Mounting it. |
| 00:26.32 | nsadmin | ok, mounting it where? |
| 00:26.42 | Rezagrats | Uhh |
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| 00:27.00 | Rezagrats | Ubuntu usually mounted it at /media/<namehere> |
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| 00:27.28 | Rezagrats | So i guess if i can: /media/<name> |
| 00:27.37 | nsadmin | right, you ok with that? that's the place the automount sees it |
| 00:27.51 | Rezagrats | Yeah, i'm fine with it. |
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| 00:28.02 | nsadmin | ok, look at the output of mount |
| 00:28.11 | nsadmin | anything mounted on /media/anything? |
| 00:28.19 | Rezagrats | No. |
| 00:29.03 | nsadmin | this drive is internal or external? |
| 00:29.04 | Rezagrats | External via eSata |
| 00:29.37 | Rezagrats | Which is just about the same as internal i guess. |
| 00:29.44 | nsadmin | ok... you might look thru the output of dmesg to see what might have happened |
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| 00:29.58 | nsadmin | I gotta get across the bay bridge |
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| 00:30.20 | Rezagrats | ? |
| 00:30.27 | Rezagrats | Bay bridge... wha..? |
| 00:30.39 | nsadmin | a bridge that spans a bay :) |
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| 00:31.02 | nsadmin | on the other side of that bay, is my destination... |
| 00:31.03 | Rezagrats | Wait, you're driving atm ? O_O |
| 00:31.15 | nsadmin | no, but I have to get in the car now |
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| 00:31.46 | Rezagrats | Oh. |
| 00:32.04 | phix | hey, how can I add UTF-16 to locales? nano doesn't seem to decode it properly |
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| 00:32.12 | Firebird | Hmm, this doesn't seem too likely but: is there any possible way to use existing archives with a standard net install cd to install debian? (Perhaps get a ssh shell and copy the archives over?) |
| 00:32.16 | phix | It thinks it is a binary file |
| 00:32.20 | Rezagrats | Should i pastebin the output of dmesg relating to the drive ? |
| 00:32.42 | phix | charset even |
| 00:32.43 | phix | *shrugs* |
| 00:32.46 | phix | what ever it is called |
| 00:33.04 | nsadmin | sure, and/or pastebin the whole dmesg |
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| 00:33.26 | Rezagrats | http://pastebin.com/d1ab7439f |
| 00:33.27 | nsadmin | there will be line numbers and you can point them out |
| 00:34.03 | nsadmin | someone take over, presumably by reading that pastebin :) |
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| 00:35.42 | littlebear | CodeNinja, looks like the second user has not been in the audio group. now to test. thanks for the pointer. |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | Firebird: you can just put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 00:37.04 | Firebird | abrotman, while using the net install cd? |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | oh .. while using it? no .. afterwards though you can .. or look at an apt proxy like apt-proxy or apt-cacher or approx |
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| 00:43.53 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 00:44.40 | bododo | I used to have accents and unicode chars to show in urxvt/zsh and then I don't remember what I did, now they don't :( Any clue or hint please? |
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| 00:47.08 | gnarface | bododo: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 00:49.08 | bododo | gnarface: well, actually when I do locate it shows me fr_FR_utf8 something, I guess it's ok, isn't it? -trying what you suggested :) |
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| 00:50.18 | gnarface | uh, bododo are you french? |
| 00:51.06 | bododo | gnarface: No, but I'm very fluent :-) |
| 00:51.45 | gnarface | bododo: for an english speaking, us citizen in the continental us the output of "locale" should have en_US.UTF-8 on basically every line |
| 00:51.50 | gnarface | if not something is wrong |
| 00:52.06 | gnarface | substitute en_US with your current actual locale |
| 00:52.28 | gnarface | when i type the command: "locale charmap" i get "UTF-8" you should also, i suspect, unless something is wrong |
| 00:52.32 | bododo | hum... it shows me en_US, that's weird |
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| 00:53.03 | bododo | how do you set the default? |
| 00:53.06 | gnarface | if it just says en_US with no UTF-8 part then its defaulting to latin-1 (ISO-8859-1) which is a *subset* of UTF that is not comptible |
| 00:53.37 | bododo | no, it's with utf8, but LANG is fr_FR@euro |
| 00:53.37 | gnarface | bododo: with the first thing i told you; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:53.56 | bododo | that's what I did, but I checked other locales too |
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| 00:54.02 | bododo | trying again |
| 00:54.52 | gnarface | well it *should* allow you to set the *default* one in addition to other valid ones. pick the default carefully |
| 00:54.54 | bododo | yep, that's the 2nd step and I _did_ choose fr_FR_utf8 :/ |
| 00:55.06 | gnarface | for example (as a patriot xenophobe) i support only en_us iso 8859-1 and en_us utf-8 and make the default utf-8 |
| 00:55.33 | gnarface | so you WANT french language UTF-8 support to be the default for all programs (including your xterms?) |
| 00:55.47 | bododo | yes, I'm using urxvt |
| 00:55.54 | gnarface | first double check that you actually are |
| 00:55.58 | gnarface | (using urxvt) |
| 00:55.58 | bododo | but I suspect a zsh misconfig too :( |
| 00:56.34 | gnarface | then do a full logout to prompt (reboot or kill graphical login if you're using a graphical login manager like xdm, gdm, kdm or entrance) |
| 00:56.55 | gnarface | then hell i dunno make sure you got the right fonts? |
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| 00:57.12 | Rezagrats | Why can't i open a nautilus window when i'm root ? |
| 00:57.38 | gnarface | bododo: just out of curiosity, when you say you're having garbled characters you wouldn't happen to be using mysql query result data as your test for said characters, would you? |
| 00:58.07 | gnarface | Rezagrats: because God hates you. repent for your sins |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | Rezagrats: try using sux or gksu |
| 00:58.32 | bododo | gnarface: no, no, the terminal can't even let me type accentuated chars and doesn't output them |
| 00:58.42 | Rezagrats | Gnarface... i'm atheist. don't be tell me that kind of stuff. |
| 00:59.04 | bododo | Rezagrats: why would you use X with root? |
| 00:59.21 | Rezagrats | IDK! |
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| 00:59.46 | Rezagrats | I'm trying to change the permissions of a drive i just mounted from root to normal user. |
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| 01:00.31 | gnarface | Rezagrats: the command-line mount tool is your friend. i don't have any experience with nautilus but i suspect it hates you too |
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| 01:00.58 | Rezagrats | Debian's nautilus is weird. :\ |
| 01:01.10 | Rezagrats | It opens a new window for every folder opened. |
| 01:01.39 | markybob | Rezagrats, that's nautilus' default. not debian's. you can change the pref if you want |
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| 01:01.51 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
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| 01:02.15 | gnarface | i don't really have much use for graphical tools that are more complicated than the command-line equivalents. there is option sequences to the mount command that allow you to remount any drive with arbitrary changes to the options (-o) check the man page or google for mount remount rw |
| 01:02.32 | gnarface | Rezagrats: ^^^ |
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| 01:03.22 | gnarface | Rezagrats: if this is something you will be doing a lot in the future i suggest you add a line to your fstab to set the appropriate defaults. having to run stuff as root for daily usage is not recommended |
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| 01:05.21 | johnp | can anyone tell me where to read or how to make vlc the default player for a specific user? |
| 01:05.23 | gnarface | sorry to be clear /etc/fstab (man fstab) sorry Rezagrats i don't really know how much background info you may or may not be lacking here so pardon me please if that came off as condescending |
| 01:06.05 | gnarface | johnp: i suspect this is program specific. default player for WHAT? |
| 01:06.24 | gnarface | firefox? |
| 01:06.34 | gnarface | nautilus? |
| 01:06.37 | gnarface | gnome? |
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| 01:06.55 | johnp | gnarface: no - just for gnome |
| 01:07.00 | gnarface | hell i don't even use gnome i don't know if it has default players. someone else has to step in here |
| 01:07.16 | coreyman | I would like to add all users on my debian machine to be able to log into phpmyadmin, how can I? |
| 01:07.36 | gnarface | coreyman: don't do that. trust me just don't |
| 01:07.51 | coreyman | gnarface how come |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | you mean "don't use phpmyadmin" ? :) |
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| 01:09.03 | mee | is there a document describing the filesystem organizational scheme in debian? Pedantic/OCD, I know, but I want to make sure I store my music in a place that'll 'make sense' in the future. |
| 01:09.05 | gnarface | johnp: there has to be something in the gnome docs. if gnome has a default "play" feature there has to be some way to set the default program in a config simply, but i always had problems finding such stuff so i gave up on gnome yeas ago. i suggest googleing "gnome default player" |
| 01:09.18 | gnarface | mee: yes there is hang on for a link |
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| 01:09.32 | johnp | gnarface: yep - been there - done all that |
| 01:09.44 | gnarface | coreyman: if you have to ask trust me that i'm right. its a massive security hazard |
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| 01:09.59 | gnarface | johnp: the terminal is your friend |
| 01:10.22 | coreyman | gnarface so i guess adding users to my debian machine and giving them vhosts is a security threat too? |
| 01:10.44 | johnp | gnarface: sure it's my friend, but you try telling my girlfriend how to open hr playlist in a terminal :P |
| 01:10.47 | gnarface | mee: i think the document you're looking for is the "Debian Policy Manual" i think this is it: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 01:11.21 | Tramp | !tell mee -about fsh |
| 01:11.23 | mee | gnarface: yep. thanks |
| 01:11.54 | mee | shouldn't that be 'fhs'? |
| 01:12.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:12.43 | gnarface | coreyman: not as much as it is if you then follow up by giving phpmyadmin direct access to your system users' authentication |
| 01:13.15 | coreyman | gnarface so i need to add them all manually via phpmyadmin root user privileges tab? |
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| 01:13.40 | gnarface | coreyman: the issue at hand here is web software should NEVER expose system-level authentication on principle, even if it was 100% secure (which phpmyadmin is not known for) |
| 01:14.13 | coreyman | gnarface my proftpd is using system auth... is that an ut oh? |
| 01:14.35 | gnarface | coreyman: yea because they're database users and they should be entirely segregated from the system users. that is the "right way" |
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| 01:15.04 | mee | Looks like /srv or /usr/share is what I want. I'm very happy to see a standard for this. |
| 01:15.15 | coreyman | gnarface i've been just creating new system users to add them a home directory and such for vhosts, i guess im doing things the wrong way? |
| 01:15.19 | gnarface | coreyman: and God help you if your phpmyadmin instance is exposed to the public web and also allows root login |
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| 01:15.40 | gnarface | mee: yes its refreshing isn't it? if only it was adhered to more carefully |
| 01:15.44 | coreyman | gnarface i think it only allows root to log in from localhost |
| 01:16.10 | gnarface | coreyman: you think or you're sure? |
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| 01:16.32 | coreyman | gnarface im looking at the table now, and im sure. |
| 01:16.45 | gnarface | coreyman: if you can visually parse the output of "select * from mysql.user" yourself then you know for sure. if you get to that point why the hell do you need phpmyadmin? its a crutch for nobs |
| 01:16.50 | gnarface | s/nobs/noobs/ |
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| 01:17.35 | coreyman | gnarface messing around learning how to create a server environment for clients |
| 01:17.36 | gnarface | linux == by the user for the user, so thereby "cruches for noobs" == software by noobs, for noobs which == security HAZARD |
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| 01:18.58 | gnarface | johnp: i can't help you with gnome. if nobody else here can either check to see if there is a gnome channel on this server. they might be able to help better. my best advice to you is go for something that offers simpler more transparent customization features like e16 or e17 |
| 01:20.01 | gnarface | coreyman: so help me understand the goal more since i clearly don't get the motivation for your desire to make phpmyadmin use the system auth user table directly |
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| 01:22.21 | coreyman | gnarface I've been creating users via 'useradd', this auto sets them up a home directory with the contents i want them to have, furthermore it allows me to set them up organized per user vhosts, they also have ftp access to their own home directory via proftpd, having to add them in phpmyadmin manually is another step that i'd like to eliminate. |
| 01:23.08 | PiousMinion | Does anyone have any kind of ballpark figure of when squeeze might become stable? 1 year, 3 years? less? |
| 01:23.17 | gnarface | coreyman: instead of making your phpmyadmin use pam authentication maybe what you should do if you're making vhosts for every user and there is a 1:1:1 ratio between databases, system users, home directories and other (perhaps http public_html directories or whatever) the solution for you is to make a custom user add script that automatically runs adduser then the appropriate mysql user grant commands in tandem |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | PiousMinion: we can only guess on a freeze timeline |
| 01:23.47 | coreyman | gnarface that sounds like a good solution |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | PiousMinion: i believe they were suggesting it would begin some time in the next six months .. but that might have gone to hell by now |
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| 01:24.20 | PiousMinion | abrotman: freeze starting in 6 months? |
| 01:24.30 | gnarface | coreyman: that's what i'm here for. let me give you a document link that might help: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/ - BASH FTW |
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| 01:24.36 | abrotman | within six months .. but as i said .. that might not be valid anymore |
| 01:25.08 | PiousMinion | abrotman: any reason it might not be valid or just a hunch? |
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| 01:25.46 | abrotman | PiousMinion: if they've changed their minds ? |
| 01:25.49 | gnarface | coreyman: also fyi useradd is the old-school system-independent tool. on debian you should be using adduser instead which is an equivalent script tuned to be more friendly for you AND more friendly for debian. man adduser |
| 01:26.20 | PiousMinion | abrotman: thanks for the info. :) |
| 01:26.31 | coreyman | gnarface alright checking it out now |
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| 01:30.08 | gnarface | know what debian kernel customization needs? a script that takes a stock kernel .config file and strips out impossible-to-use hardware drivers based on input of basic cpu model # and lspci output |
| 01:30.34 | phobos_anomaly | gnarface: there is a script like that |
| 01:30.37 | gnarface | i'm quite certain this old p3-700 box of mine doesn't need to spend an extra 20 minutes compiling firewire and bluetooth drivers |
| 01:30.41 | gnarface | phobos_anomaly: link plz omg? |
| 01:30.50 | coreyman | gnarface i've been thinking about using php for this script that we talked about, but it will use the shell_exec function, since I am setting this up for a client server, shouldn't I be disabling shell_exec? Are these scripts run as the username that invokes them? IE if the script is in /home/testuser the php script will be run by testuser, if it is in /home/testuser2 the script will be run by testuser2, or do all scripts get run by the user www? |
| 01:30.52 | phobos_anomaly | gnarface: Let me see if I can find it again |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | gnarface: gentoo has something like this |
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| 01:31.53 | gnarface | abrotman: yea but if you try to bootstrap gentoo on an old g4-500 mac it will fry all your ram |
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| 01:32.49 | abrotman | gnarface: i wasn't suggesting you bootstrap it .. i was suggesting you look at their script |
| 01:33.04 | gnarface | coreyman: user addition you're talking about which includes system-level authentication should *NEVER* be allowed for non-root users. yes you're right however that php CLI scripts are run as the user that executes them |
| 01:33.27 | gnarface | abrotman: oh. whats it called? its just a stock part of the bootstrap process or a 3rd party script? |
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| 01:34.45 | abrotman | NFC .. |
| 01:34.48 | coreyman | gnarface cool. |
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| 01:37.27 | phobos_anomaly | gnarface: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/620 the script is under "Configuring a kernel" on this page |
| 01:37.32 | gnarface | phobos_anomaly: thanks |
| 01:37.37 | phobos_anomaly | np |
| 01:38.41 | jtdowney | coreyman: scripts executed by apache will run as the apache user unless you use cgi and suexec |
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| 01:39.17 | coreyman | gnarface would I ever need to give users ssh access? i notice if I log in to the testuser i created, he can't run sudo, so i don't think it would be a threat? |
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| 01:40.24 | coreyman | jtdowney thx |
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| 01:42.51 | gnarface | coreyman: i've got to be honest with you i think you're running towards trouble. if you have users that need this level of total system access to the same physical hardware you should probably be giving them individual linux virtualized hosts with something like the linux-vserver kernel (http://linux-vserver.org/) in order to properly segregate their private data so that if one of them is evil it does not pose a huge threat to |
| 01:42.51 | gnarface | the others. i realize this seems like a lot more work up front than what you'd originally planned to do but trust me once you're done understanding linux-vserver basics the effort will be equivalent or less |
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| 01:43.31 | coreyman | gnarface yea i didn't think i would ever need to give a client that access.. |
| 01:43.38 | c0nfus3d | Hi All, trying to figure out - how I can make a bootable CD of my debian installation (already installed and running from my HDD) |
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| 01:44.04 | gnarface | c0nfus3d: that's a neat idea i wanna know too! |
| 01:44.17 | c0nfus3d | will linux-live scripts work with Debian installations? |
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| 01:44.23 | c0nfus3d | thats good gnarface - so any joy till now ? |
| 01:44.54 | gnarface | c0nfus3d: never tried i've just always backed up my /etc and /home directories and manually installed everything output from dpkg -l |
| 01:45.53 | c0nfus3d | yea - i understand gnarface - however, i am looking for a way - something similar to live-scripts or sometool or script that will make a bootable ISO of my installation |
| 01:46.29 | Rezagrats | I hate permissions. >:( |
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| 01:46.57 | abrotman | i heard DOS is cheap |
| 01:47.00 | gnarface | c0nfus3d: nah i've got no insight into bootable debian live cd's but it sounds like a really useful thing to know how to do and i suspect its not incredibly difficult if you know the tricks |
| 01:47.52 | c0nfus3d | yea - gnarface - true - and i am all here for learning that "tricks" i hope someone answer :) |
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| 01:50.25 | gnarface | c0nfus3d: i'd be surprised if someone in the rather large population of the channel didn't know the exact answer to your question but as far as i can tell only about 2-5% of us are paying attention at any given time |
| 01:50.51 | dondelelcaro | c0nfus3d: see live-helper et al |
| 01:51.17 | c0nfus3d | ok - dondelelcaro - thanks for the response - does it make an exact copy of the installed debian |
| 01:51.27 | Rezagrats | Is there any sure-fire way to change permissions of all files and folders in a directory to a certain user? |
| 01:51.42 | c0nfus3d | or it adds modules using apt and customize a debian live? |
| 01:51.52 | c0nfus3d | let me see what i get from it - :) |
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| 01:53.38 | gnarface | Rezagrats: hah yea sure chown -R [user]:[group] if you run it as root and don't have SELinux running or any annoying extended attributes/posix acls, freebsd weirdness crap etc |
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| 01:59.28 | ham5 | new gnome in unstable yet? |
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| 02:04.10 | Rezagrats | Gnarface, what would go in group ? (sorry, i was attending to someone with a busted arm) |
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| 02:08.57 | linuxjones317 | if i needed to point something at a specific usb port, or just the ports in general, where would that be? /dev or / proc? |
| 02:09.29 | Dominicus_ | linuxjones317: /dev |
| 02:09.58 | Dominicus_ | linuxjones317: From my understanding, /proc is for getting status on things, and/or parts of your system. |
| 02:10.11 | linuxjones317 | Dominian, is it one of the usbdev things? |
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| 02:12.24 | Dominicus_ | linuxjones317: I'm not entirely sure how those works. All, i know is that if i want to know the device in question. I just run "dmesg", unplug, and then plug back in the usb device, and run "dmesg" again to see what /dev device just got yanked and plugged back in. That's how I find out what device something is addressed as from the udev system. |
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| 02:12.46 | gnarface | Rezagrats: you can omit :[group] if you don't want to mess with the group field on the existing filesystem nodes. check out "man chown" and "man chmod" for more details |
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| 02:15.41 | Rezagrats | Gnarface, i did it... but my media files are still failry locked to root... |
| 02:15.46 | Rezagrats | Fairly* |
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| 02:17.40 | ham5 | mount it as your username |
| 02:17.42 | ham5 | done and done |
| 02:17.56 | slvmchn | hi, i have my netbook with debian, when it boots it boots fine up until the login, instead of a login screen it just shows a plain picture (using whichever app to do it, i forget what i used), and you just type in your username/password there... the problem now is when you do that, it accepts it, but flashes back to the terminal, and right back to the login screen... any ideas as to how to address this? i don't know where to |
| 02:17.57 | slvmchn | start |
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| 02:18.30 | ham5 | probly help to rember what you used |
| 02:18.33 | ham5 | get rid of it |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | slvmchn: which user are you logging in as ? |
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| 02:18.59 | slvmchn | just my regular user (slv) |
| 02:19.10 | slvmchn | or actually on that i think it's nick: hunter pass: hunter |
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| 02:19.16 | abrotman | slvmchn: look at your $HOME/.xsession-errors |
| 02:19.24 | slvmchn | ok awesome, i'll do that right now |
| 02:19.26 | gnarface | Rezagrats: your understanding of basic unix filesystem style permissions really needs work. until you understand this you will be a victim of linux. try "chmod -R a+r [parent directory]" if these are files you don't care who reads them |
| 02:19.55 | gnarface | Rezagrats: parent directory of the *media files* dear god don't run that on / |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:20.00 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 02:22.18 | slvmchn | huh so if i do nano .xsession-errors it just freezes |
| 02:22.26 | slvmchn | not freezes but doesn't respond, all it responds to is alt-f4 |
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| 02:22.28 | slvmchn | not good huh |
| 02:22.55 | slvmchn | if i run nano and try to open it same thing, it just sits at "insert file [from./] : xsession-errors" |
| 02:23.02 | slvmchn | with a blinking underscore |
| 02:23.06 | slvmchn | and now doesn't respond |
| 02:23.13 | slvmchn | oh it loaded finally |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | try .. cat ? |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | slvmchn: what DE are you trying to use ? |
| 02:23.57 | slvmchn | xfce |
| 02:24.03 | slvmchn | try ..cat where |
| 02:24.22 | slvmchn | so i see a bunch of firefox errors but the bottom one isn't firefox, lemme post that |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | cat ~/.xsession-errors |
| 02:24.25 | slvmchn | ah ok |
| 02:24.35 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg xfce .. before you try again |
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| 02:24.58 | slvmchn | ok |
| 02:27.57 | slvmchn | if i delete .xsession-errors will it recreate it when i try to log in again? |
| 02:28.05 | slvmchn | this file is huge and i'm not sure how relevant most of it is |
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| 02:29.12 | jetscreamer | it might bork, i forget... empty it out and leave it |
| 02:29.24 | jetscreamer | seems to me it freaks out, i forget |
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| 02:30.12 | slvmchn | whoa |
| 02:30.18 | slvmchn | so i deleted .xsession-errors |
| 02:30.20 | slvmchn | then made a blank one |
| 02:30.23 | slvmchn | and now it loads fine? |
| 02:30.25 | slvmchn | that's wierd |
| 02:30.49 | jetscreamer | !congratulate jetscreamer |
| 02:30.50 | dpkg | Woohoo jetscreamer, you did it! |
| 02:31.00 | jetscreamer | damn i'm good |
| 02:31.08 | slvmchn | yeah thanks dude |
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| 02:31.13 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | slvmchn: probably had more to do with installing xorg/xfce |
| 02:31.19 | slvmchn | i was worried i would have to reinstall everything (and this is a crappy 2 gig netbook) |
| 02:31.23 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 02:31.29 | slvmchn | yeah i had done that but it still wouldn't let me log in |
| 02:31.32 | slvmchn | bizarre |
| 02:31.37 | jetscreamer | abrotman is a god |
| 02:31.38 | jetscreamer | not |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | hey .. watch it |
| 02:31.46 | slvmchn | anyways you guys are my heroes, now i can give this to my girlfriend to play SNES roms while i actually try to get some work done |
| 02:31.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | slvmchn: how sad .. |
| 02:32.26 | slvmchn | ha sorry now another stupid question |
| 02:32.32 | slvmchn | my xfce bar up top is gone, how do i get it back |
| 02:32.35 | Dominicus | Is there any way to have a tar.gz process not write temp data to disk, but to write it to within the 2 gigs of memory available to the system so as to not have so much time spent not transmitting the final tar.gz data over the network. I'm trying to make this transfer more efficient. |
| 02:33.29 | jetscreamer | make temp a ramdisk is one way, but there's something else.... similar, probably more 'approved' ... |
| 02:33.33 | Dominicus | i.e.... there's periods of time where data isn't being pushed over the network, and I'd like to max out the network pipe, while still making the end data smaller to transfer across the pipe. |
| 02:33.40 | jetscreamer | it goes in fstab |
| 02:33.46 | jetscreamer | ponders |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | slvmchn: is there a $HOME/.xfce/ that you can remove and relogin ? |
| 02:34.00 | jetscreamer | mv it don't just del it right away |
| 02:34.03 | jetscreamer | del it later |
| 02:34.13 | slvmchn | hmm don't see one |
| 02:34.15 | abrotman | if it's a fresh install .. does it matter ? |
| 02:34.19 | slvmchn | this is true |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | might be a ~/.xfce4/ |
| 02:34.24 | jetscreamer | should be one if you logged in |
| 02:34.33 | jetscreamer | ls -l ? |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | -al ? |
| 02:34.53 | jetscreamer | or -lA |
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| 02:35.13 | jetscreamer | tmpfs? |
| 02:35.45 | slvmchn | hmm in my xfce settings the Panel option doesn't bring anything up |
| 02:35.47 | jetscreamer | is tmpfs in ram? |
| 02:36.20 | jetscreamer | seems to me yes, but i forget |
| 02:36.27 | jetscreamer | increase it's size if it is |
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| 02:36.49 | Dominicus | Does anyone else here, have a |
| 02:37.00 | jetscreamer | !nayone |
| 02:37.03 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 02:37.07 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 02:37.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:37.58 | jetscreamer | 'maybe' you have to log out before the conffile is written.. no idea |
| 02:38.09 | Dominicus | Does anyone else here, have a "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)" as a part of their hardware, that they're able to configure using "ethtool"? I'm noticing that the r8169 kernel module might be broken or something, because ethtool gets next to no info, and is incapable of configuring the interface properly. But, the device is |
| 02:38.13 | jetscreamer | you could ask in #xfce or something though if you don't get an answer |
| 02:38.15 | Dominicus | configurable in windows. *hates that windows can but linux can't* |
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| 02:39.02 | flourish | hi, does debain has slapd_db_stat command and in which software? |
| 02:39.43 | jetscreamer | is that a database and if so which one are you trying |
| 02:40.04 | jetscreamer | you could try apt-cache search or apt-file search |
| 02:40.48 | flourish | i meet the command in openldap-software mailing list |
| 02:41.04 | flourish | with apt-cache, no proper result |
| 02:41.07 | Dominicus | Does anyone know if iotop's Disk Read per second values are from raw i/o, or from i/o data after cyptluks unencryption? |
| 02:42.43 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 02:42.44 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 02:43.13 | flourish | cannot either |
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| 02:43.31 | jetscreamer | i'd guess we don't have it but i do not know for sure |
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| 02:45.35 | gnarface | Dominicus: the only advice I can give you Re: ethtool is that you'll have better results if you learn to edit /etc/network/interfaces directly and read the manpage for ifconfig |
| 02:49.18 | jetscreamer | !info ldap-utils |
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| 02:50.26 | dpkg | ldap-utils: (OpenLDAP utilities), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.17-2 (sid), Packaged size: 277 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 02:50.51 | jetscreamer | hmm not what i wanted |
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| 02:54.53 | abrotman | flourish: use apt-file to find out |
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| 02:55.47 | jetscreamer | debuntu lives |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | i probably don't want to know .. nevermind |
| 02:56.35 | jetscreamer | :) probably not, we'd start ranting and raving, you'd ban me, i'd get mad and nuke your city ... :) j/k |
| 02:56.38 | LemensTS | When browsing a nas drive via file manager in debian 5, it cuts the last letter of the filenames and folders off....seen on google this was a bug but there realy wasnt any information on it. Anyone else know anything about this problem? Looks like it might be related to smb |
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| 02:57.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: your city was already nuked eh ? |
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| 02:58.46 | markybob | jetscreamer, i believe the proper response is "your mama"...at least it was in 1989 |
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| 03:00.31 | jetscreamer | damn circuit breaker blew |
| 03:01.00 | sepult | what's right with mozilla and googleapis.com ajax script ? |
| 03:01.12 | sepult | and adobe flash ? |
| 03:01.28 | sepult | i even installed the non-free version with no go ? |
| 03:01.48 | sepult | is it all crap ? |
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| 03:02.51 | markybob | i would ask what you think ajax has to do with flash...but i'd probably get a headache from your response |
| 03:04.19 | sepult | it's an ajax script from googleapis.com it hangs on zattoo.com's |
| 03:04.20 | sepult | site |
| 03:04.32 | sepult | i.e. no video shown |
| 03:05.03 | sepult | but alas i don't know if it does not work just in that case or |
| 03:05.03 | sepult | with every video content |
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| 03:11.22 | Dominicus | gnarface: ethtool handles the connection/speed/negotiation level that issues that I need to address (Speed, Duplex, & AutoNegotiation). Where as, /etc/network/interfaces does not address that, and although ifconfig does come closer to the lower level of connection negotiation/linking/speed control that I need, it still does not give me the lower level of control that I need. So, telling me to |
| 03:11.28 | Dominicus | learn how to edit /etc/network/interfaces and to read the manpage for ifconfig doesn't do anything more than send me on a wild goose chase. =( |
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| 03:16.18 | Andorin | Is there a terminal command, in GNOME, that will show the desktop? |
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| 03:27.05 | jetscreamer | not the circuit breaker :( no idea what it is, i lack two outlets now though |
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| 03:27.25 | jetscreamer | icebox and microwave :( |
| 03:28.01 | jetscreamer | i did manage to use an appliance extension cord for the icebox, the coldness of the beer is assured! \o/ |
| 03:28.05 | jedahan | mount -o loop /mnt/testing.iso /cdrom fails with error 'cannot setup loop device: no such file or directory' from a liveusb of lenny, but /dev/loop0 exists. Is there something I am missing? |
| 03:28.35 | jetscreamer | is there a /cdrom ? |
| 03:28.41 | jedahan | yes |
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| 03:28.55 | jetscreamer | you mkdir'd it right? |
| 03:29.12 | jetscreamer | ie, are you sure there is? |
| 03:29.25 | jedahan | no, it existed after failure of automatically trying to find the cdrom , but i can ls and mount /dev/sdb1 to /cdrom |
| 03:29.36 | jedahan | but I need to loopmount the iso on /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:29.48 | jedahan | i'll rm and mkdir again, just to be sure |
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| 03:30.16 | jetscreamer | you mean /cdrom not /dev/sdb1 eh? |
| 03:30.47 | jedahan | for rm and mkdir, yes |
| 03:31.11 | jedahan | i am also doing a cp /mnt/testing.iso /tmp just in case its some weird fat16 permissions thing |
| 03:31.13 | jetscreamer | uh... /mnt/testing.iso ? |
| 03:31.43 | jetscreamer | fat16 doesn't have perms afaik |
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| 03:32.24 | jetscreamer | so what you're saying is you have a usb stick mounted on /mnt and there's a .iso on it? |
| 03:32.27 | jedahan | so i have /dev/sdb1 mounted to /mnt (which is my usb stick) |
| 03:32.31 | jedahan | yeah, exactly |
| 03:32.50 | jedahan | lenny business on a 128mb usb stick, to be precise |
| 03:32.52 | jetscreamer | and after you mount the stick you can ls the .iso |
| 03:33.29 | jedahan | yep |
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| 03:34.25 | jetscreamer | ah you forgot the -t |
| 03:34.36 | LemensTS | When browsing a nas drive via file manager in debian 5, it cuts the last letter of the filenames and folders off....seen on google this was a bug but there realy wasnt any information on it. Anyone else know anything about this problem? Looks like it might be related to smb |
| 03:34.38 | bzip3 | jedahan, and your personal files you put on the free space outside the iso ? |
| 03:35.00 | jetscreamer | -o loop -t iso9660 or -t auto is needed iirc |
| 03:35.02 | jedahan | no personal files, just the necessities for booting |
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| 03:36.50 | jedahan | jetscreamer: nope, same error. made sure isofs was modprobe'd too |
| 03:37.27 | jetscreamer | no idea, should work |
| 03:37.46 | jetscreamer | -t is needed afaik though |
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| 03:38.24 | jetscreamer | says file not found... what if you cp the .iso |
| 03:38.35 | jetscreamer | even though that's not the objective |
| 03:38.48 | jedahan | same error with cp'd iso too |
| 03:38.56 | jedahan | i think it has to do with /dev/loop0 |
| 03:38.57 | jetscreamer | never had any problems mounting .iso's |
| 03:39.07 | jedahan | and me not having losetup on the liveusb... |
| 03:39.22 | jetscreamer | ah is something already using loop0? there are >1 |
| 03:39.33 | jetscreamer | that's getting beyond me though |
| 03:39.37 | heroxbd | Hey guys. I am behind a firewall and supposed to get out through a proxy (with throughput restriction). I have a normal user account on the firewall machine for ssh. But the sshd on that machine is very old that don't support tun. Can I still make use of the ssh connection to connect to the outside? |
| 03:39.45 | jetscreamer | iirc there are 8 created by default |
| 03:39.57 | Dominicus | According to the mount manpage, the loop entry on its one, should use a free loopback device. |
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| 03:40.16 | jedahan | nothing in mount , and right now I only see /dev/loop0 . I wonder how to increase the number of loopback devices |
| 03:40.35 | jetscreamer | iirc it's when ou modprobe the loop module thing |
| 03:40.39 | jetscreamer | *you |
| 03:40.41 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
| 03:40.44 | heroxbd | I am considering socks proxy via ssh. I am already using port forwarding via ssh to a remote vpn server for internet connection. |
| 03:41.28 | jetscreamer | maxloop? vague |
| 03:41.38 | jetscreamer | i'm vague on it |
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| 03:42.44 | jetscreamer | but, the error for no loop device seems to be 'no loop device found' not your error msg |
| 03:43.51 | jedahan | i checked /udev/links.conf, only one entry for loop0 |
| 03:44.14 | jedahan | can you check yours and tell me if loop1 or loop2 exist? I don't just want to increment the device num and try MAKEDEV blindly |
| 03:44.50 | jetscreamer | me? not atm :( i would if i could |
| 03:45.30 | jetscreamer | i'm surrounded by some non-linuxy thing |
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| 03:46.22 | jetscreamer | me i'd be looking at 'file not found' |
| 03:46.51 | jetscreamer | oh..nvm |
| 03:46.55 | jetscreamer | oh..mvn |
| 03:47.04 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 03:47.09 | jetscreamer | i re-read your error msg |
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| 03:48.02 | Andorin | Is there a terminal command, in GNOME, that will minimize all windows? |
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| 03:48.18 | jetscreamer | yeh now, if it was me, i'd be looking at the available loops |
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| 03:51.14 | jedahan | yeah, I did mknod loop1 b 7 1 and it still fails...argh |
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| 03:54.20 | factor | can anyone using debian view this video http://www.nasa.gov/qtl/151335main_NASA_TV_QT.qtl |
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| 03:56.04 | jetscreamer | wtf is .qtl |
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| 03:56.54 | markybob | qtl is quicktime bullshit |
| 03:57.09 | markybob | and no, afaik nothing on linux plays it |
| 03:57.58 | factor | oh ok, thanks was trying to figure it out |
| 03:58.14 | factor | yes it quick time live stream |
| 03:59.00 | xoz | do you know the dash equivalent for the bash expansion: a=hello; echo ${a/hello/hi} |
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| 03:59.50 | jetscreamer | i had to d/l a plugin using that other os even |
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| 04:00.03 | jetscreamer | and ff wouldn't do it had to use the garbage |
| 04:00.18 | markybob | like i said, bullshit |
| 04:00.32 | jetscreamer | 'proprietary' sounds like |
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| 04:02.39 | jetscreamer | http://mfile.akamai.com/18566/wmv/etouchsyst2.download.akamai.com/18355/wm.nasa-global/LCROSS/LCROSS_Lunar_Impact.asx |
| 04:03.07 | jetscreamer | nvm |
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| 04:03.18 | factor | :D |
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| 04:07.04 | jetscreamer | mplayer doesn't like it :( |
| 04:07.10 | jetscreamer | and i don't mean wmp |
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| 04:08.24 | jetscreamer | ooo icecold beer with slush :) yum |
| 04:09.09 | racecar56 | i didnt see it happen but my computer crashed and there was no display, the keyboard numlock and all wont toggle, the mouse wasnt on, etc... and the computer wasnt used for a long time... i think it was trying to standby, how can i disable auto standby? |
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| 04:23.15 | ultralazer | hello debian. Does anybody know off the top of their head what I need to apt-get install so I can bulid a kernel module. vloopback device module for video. |
| 04:23.21 | ultralazer | build* |
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| 04:24.36 | mhymn | ultralazer: not sure but /msg dpkg m-a |
| 04:25.15 | aum | hi - i'm trying to get bluetooth headphones working. lsusb shows my bluetooth dongle, but 'hcitool dev' shows no device |
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| 04:28.36 | PiousMinion | I'm trying to install lenny to a device with no parition table (/dev/hda) which isn't directly supported so I have to mount it at /target. Problem is when calling mount I get this: mount: mounting /dev/hda on /target failed: Invalid argument Ideas? |
| 04:30.00 | peterrooney | PiousMinion: how is it that making a partition on hda is not supported? |
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| 04:31.08 | PiousMinion | peterrooney: it's not that it's not support, it not what I want. Installing to a device directly instead of using a partition table is not supported. |
| 04:31.27 | peterrooney | PiousMinion: AH! |
| 04:31.38 | PiousMinion | I have applied a filesystem to /dev/hda directly, but can't seem to mount it. |
| 04:31.43 | racecar56 | how do i turn off auto-standby? my DE is KDE |
| 04:32.13 | peterrooney | PiousMinion: I'm seeing hacking the installer in your future. |
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| 04:32.49 | PiousMinion | peterrooney: I'm doing that already, but the first step is mounting the device which is failing. That is what I need help with. |
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| 04:33.39 | peterrooney | PiousMinion: i don't think it's a full showstopper, but it may be outside of the normal realm that cfdisk, parted, fdisk, u.s.w. expect |
| 04:34.02 | peterrooney | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /target fails? |
| 04:34.13 | PiousMinion | yes |
| 04:34.33 | Tramp | PiousMinion: hmm. What does "file -s /dev/hda" tell you? |
| 04:35.07 | PiousMinion | 'file' is not available in the installer environment. |
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| 04:38.46 | PiousMinion | getting --> mount: mounting /dev/hda on /target failed: Invalid argument |
| 04:39.29 | PiousMinion | if debian would release a version of debootstrap that ran on other distros life would be easy. |
| 04:41.23 | Tramp | yeah, well, my assumption would be that you have no valid filesystem on hda. But without file I don't know how to verify this assumption |
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| 04:42.43 | PiousMinion | Tramp: I can verify it by running mke2fs which suceeds. |
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| 04:44.52 | aum | hi - 'hcitool dev' can't see my USB bluetooth dongle, but it does show on lsusb - any ideas? |
| 04:44.58 | PiousMinion | My end goal is to use user-mode-linux which reads 1 filesystem per image file(no parts). To get a root filesystem for it to boot I'm running the debian installer inside qemu. |
| 04:45.38 | Tramp | PiousMinion: is there tune2fs? - probably not |
| 04:46.00 | PiousMinion | Tramp: actually there is |
| 04:46.32 | Tramp | so does "tune2fs -l /dev/hda" verify that there is an FS? |
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| 04:47.38 | PiousMinion | Tramp: idk what I'm looking at, but it looks good. |
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| 04:48.38 | Tramp | PiousMinion: anything but "tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block ...." |
| 04:48.55 | PiousMinion | yeah, I got all sorts of FS related info. |
| 04:49.02 | PiousMinion | no errors |
| 04:49.10 | Tramp | looks good then... |
| 04:49.49 | PiousMinion | yet won't mount. :( |
| 04:51.40 | PiousMinion | aww screw it. I'll use parts and extract the filesystem after it's installed. :/ |
| 04:55.22 | jair | guys I already added the option => recursion yes; in the "/etc/bind/named.conf.options" and I am still getting the query (cache) denied message :( on my debian lenny + bind9 |
| 04:55.34 | jair | does anyone uses debian lenny + dns bind9? |
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| 04:56.24 | _andy | Hey, I think I accidently removed a few libraries that x.org and gnome depend on |
| 04:56.37 | _andy | And now I'm stuck here at a console, with no graphical environment at all. |
| 04:57.06 | _andy | I see no errors in /var/log/Xorg* |
| 04:57.11 | _andy | Can anybody help me? :( |
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| 04:57.25 | Vratha | hello! |
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| 04:57.40 | bzip3 | _andy, only a guess: apt-get install xorg |
| 04:57.45 | bzip3 | doesnt work ? |
| 04:57.52 | _andy | bzip3: It says its already installed. |
| 04:58.08 | Vratha | i can't remember: what is the name of that debian program that lets you pick a "profile" for your machine and install a lot of packages for it? i.e. you can say to install desktop packages, web server packages, developer packages, etc. |
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| 04:58.12 | Vratha | it's a command-line tool |
| 04:58.25 | bzip3 | let me see the man page... |
| 04:58.26 | _andy | For some reason whenever I try to startx it just tells me that I have tried starting it 6 times in the last few minutes and "something bad is probably going on" |
| 04:58.32 | _andy | It seriously says that. |
| 04:58.36 | _andy | Okay :) |
| 04:59.26 | Ogmios | so something bad is going on hunh? :) |
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| 04:59.51 | bzip3 | _andy: apt-get --reinstall install xorg |
| 04:59.56 | _andy | Ogmios: Obviously :( |
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| 05:00.07 | _andy | bzip3: Should I do the same with gnome? |
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| 05:00.18 | Tramp | jair: is there an allow-recursion directive somewhere? |
| 05:00.18 | bzip3 | try first with xorg |
| 05:00.26 | jair | Tramp: yes |
| 05:00.32 | _andy | Okay, thank you, I'll try it and come back, :) |
| 05:00.32 | BlueG | I can't seem to build the gspca module for a 22.6.30 kernel. The READ_AND_INSTALL file doesn't even make sense... the directions talk about directories that don't even exits, so what surprises me more is perhaps the fact that its in a buildable state for anyone at all. Regardless, I get errors whether I use m-a or try to build it with the script included in the source. Any suggestions? |
| 05:00.38 | bzip3 | if it works, you can safely do with gnome or whatever you want |
| 05:00.48 | Tramp | jair: for those hosts you want to allow? |
| 05:00.55 | jair | Tramp: I have that directive in the "/etc/bind/named.conf.options" |
| 05:01.13 | jair | Tramp: well all I have is "recursion yes;" |
| 05:01.45 | pec-ar | hi how can i do to activate my conection at startup instead when i log in. |
| 05:01.48 | BlueG | I see there is some gspca stuff in the kernel now, but when I tried building the drivers there, I seemed to get a non-functional video device. |
| 05:01.50 | Tramp | jair: "grep allow-recursion /etc/bind/*" <- does this command return something |
| 05:02.33 | Vratha | anyone remember the name of the debian tool that lets you install a "desktop system" or "developer tools"? it's a command-line program that has a few basic options. i think it shows up during the initial install of debian |
| 05:02.37 | Vratha | i just can't remember the name of it |
| 05:02.49 | Vratha | ah, found it on a web page |
| 05:02.50 | jair | Tramp: this is a dns server only for internal machines, I can resolve their names and ips not problem internally, the issue is when I try to go to www.google.com from one of the client machines, I get this type of messages => http://paste.debian.net/48816 |
| 05:02.51 | SkyTop | wasn't sure where else to ask. anyone here interested in helping develop a startup cloud computing project (PHP). I know this is a debian chat, but I thought since you all are open-source advocates it'd be a good place to start. PM me if you wanna know more so I don't lose you in the mess of messages |
| 05:03.07 | Vratha | oh, oops. didn't find it |
| 05:03.32 | Tramp | SkyTop: maybe you talk about "tasksel" |
| 05:03.51 | Tramp | Vratha: ^^ |
| 05:03.58 | jair | Tramp: nope not results |
| 05:03.59 | Vratha | Tramp: that's it! thank you! |
| 05:04.03 | Vratha | coudln't remember for the life of me |
| 05:04.04 | Tramp | yw |
| 05:04.44 | jair | Tramp: I think I am close to get the issue resolved but what I am trying to understand is should I use the option "allow-recursion" or "recursion yes;" |
| 05:05.10 | jair | and whether should I place that in named.conf named.conf.local or named.conf.options |
| 05:05.19 | Tramp | jair: you should need neither, afaiks. recursion is default and if it's on, allowing all is default as well |
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| 05:05.52 | naquad | hi all |
| 05:05.57 | jair | Tramp: then it could be a firewall blocking? |
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| 05:06.08 | jair | port UDP/TCP 53? |
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| 05:06.25 | naquad | people, my dpkg reads database for about a minute, is there any way i can optimize or clean it? |
| 05:06.34 | Tramp | jair: not when the "query denied" message comes from bind |
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| 05:08.00 | jair | and I also get this on the dig => http://paste.debian.net/48825 |
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| 05:08.05 | _andy | No luck :( |
| 05:08.12 | jair | Tramp: and I also get this on the dig => http://paste.debian.net/48825 |
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| 05:08.33 | _andy | bzip3: Any other ideas? :( |
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| 05:08.59 | Tramp | jair: not sure. Maybe add: "allow-recursion { 192.168.1.0/24; }" to your named.conf.options. (ofc. with your net in place) - but honestly I'm not an expert in bind configuration. That's just how I have set it (but merely to restrict access to this net) |
| 05:09.22 | bzip3 | _andy: what happened? |
| 05:09.29 | _andy | gdm just keeps trying to boot into a gui environment and continues to fail :( |
| 05:09.33 | jair | Tramp: did you see the other denied query (cache) |
| 05:09.41 | _andy | And when I do: |
| 05:09.44 | Tramp | jair: yes |
| 05:09.58 | _andy | /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
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| 05:10.12 | _andy | It tries booting into it |
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| 05:10.16 | _andy | But it gives me |
| 05:10.16 | jair | Tramp: so then it is not a firewall issue... |
| 05:10.20 | bzip3 | no no _andy |
| 05:10.29 | jair | Tramp: let me add that to options |
| 05:10.30 | bzip3 | about de apt-get i told you to do |
| 05:10.37 | _andy | Yeah I did that too |
| 05:10.42 | Tramp | jair: no. To me it looks, as if bind is denying recursion to this client |
| 05:10.44 | _andy | Its just the same :/ |
| 05:10.48 | bzip3 | it worked ? |
| 05:11.04 | _andy | No I mean it didn't fix the problem, I am in the same position. |
| 05:11.05 | bzip3 | how the same? |
| 05:11.15 | bzip3 | it says that xorg already installed and do nothing? |
| 05:11.26 | _andy | Nah it re-installed it |
| 05:11.29 | _andy | From cache |
| 05:11.33 | bzip3 | or it reinstalled only the xorg package and none of dependencies |
| 05:11.36 | _andy | did it happily |
| 05:11.44 | _andy | But uh, still didn't fix the problem. |
| 05:11.45 | _andy | :( |
| 05:12.02 | bzip3 | because xorg isnt the only with broken dependencies |
| 05:12.20 | _andy | I'm not completely sure if I removed one of the libraries... But I do partially suspect that is the problem. |
| 05:12.22 | bzip3 | i think you must search for a whole solution to check all dependencies |
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| 05:12.34 | bzip3 | have you tried aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 05:12.52 | _andy | No, I have tried: apt-get check |
| 05:13.01 | _andy | Which did nothing. |
| 05:13.05 | bzip3 | try with aptitude |
| 05:13.08 | bzip3 | aptitude update |
| 05:13.16 | bzip3 | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 05:13.33 | _andy | Uh, alright. |
| 05:13.36 | _andy | Hold on :) |
| 05:13.46 | bzip3 | ahaouhuoahuoah |
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| 05:14.07 | bzip3 | someone has to tell him about console clients |
| 05:14.36 | jair | Tramp: nothing :( |
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| 05:14.42 | bzip3 | these kids from today have no idea about ircii and BitchX |
| 05:14.45 | bzip3 | hahahaha |
| 05:14.57 | andy | Didn't upgrade anything: I am fully up to date. |
| 05:15.01 | bzip3 | andy, so... what happened this time ? |
| 05:15.06 | bzip3 | hahahaha |
| 05:15.13 | bzip3 | with the full-upgrade? |
| 05:15.45 | Tramp | jair: oh, if you are trying from the host bind is running on, you may also need to add 127.0.0.1: to this statement |
| 05:15.52 | jair | this is how my options files looks like => http://paste.debian.net/48826 |
| 05:16.13 | jair | Tramp: check my configuration though |
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| 05:17.19 | Tramp | jair: yeah, ok. And you did restart bind, right?$ |
| 05:17.28 | _andy | Sorry about that, bzip3: It didn't upgrade anything |
| 05:17.31 | _andy | I am fully up to date. |
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| 05:17.46 | bzip3 | _andy: apt* only say that there is nothing to do |
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| 05:17.59 | _andy | Pardon? |
| 05:18.06 | snadge | how can i tell syslog not to log these messages: kernel: IA32 syscall 311 from %s not implemented ? |
| 05:18.10 | _andy | aptitude told me there is nothing to do, yes. |
| 05:18.17 | bzip3 | OR says some kind of error about broken dependencies ? |
| 05:18.23 | jair | Tramp: and I keep getting this on the dig results from one of the clients => http://paste.debian.net/48827 |
| 05:18.35 | snadge | its not crucial, i just get one or two of them every few minutes and its adding to the noise level in my syslog.. wondering if theres an easy way to supress them |
| 05:18.39 | _andy | Nope, it just replies that it is happy and I am up to date, heh. |
| 05:18.41 | jair | Tramp: but this is just if the client is trying to query an external address Internet |
| 05:19.11 | jair | Tramp: of course poor bind I have been restarting it all day |
| 05:19.11 | jair | hahaha |
| 05:19.53 | Tramp | jair: hmm. So your server is 10.66.2.21 and you allow recursion for 10.0.0.0/24? So the server is in a completely different network? |
| 05:20.10 | Vratha | har harrrrr! my system just downloaded a 12.1 MB file in 1 second |
| 05:20.20 | Vratha | from one of the debian servers |
| 05:20.30 | jair | Tramp: hahahahhaa maybe that is the problem... |
| 05:20.55 | bzip3 | _andy: try this: apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 05:20.57 | jair | Tramp: my network is 10.66.xxx.xxx |
| 05:21.30 | _andy | bzip3: I just did full-upgrade though? |
| 05:21.35 | _andy | I'm on debian Lenny. |
| 05:22.08 | bzip3 | doesnt matter the distribution, it will work only with your configured repositories |
| 05:22.16 | Tramp | jair: well, then that would be 10.66.0.0/16 |
| 05:22.28 | bzip3 | wich gave a new idea to fix your system... |
| 05:22.28 | _andy | Alright, brb. |
| 05:22.34 | bzip3 | but try it first |
| 05:22.55 | bzip3 | hello people |
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| 05:23.21 | bzip3 | anyone has a good idea about how fix a system with lots of dependencies missing ? |
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| 05:23.27 | _andy | Yup, still no luck :( |
| 05:23.46 | bzip3 | nah _andy, it cant be! nothing works with you haouhauohuoah |
| 05:24.00 | _andy | Heh, I wish it did. |
| 05:24.06 | _andy | Did you have another idea? |
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| 05:24.37 | jair | Tramp: let me try that |
| 05:25.48 | bzip3 | yes, wait a little _andy |
| 05:26.00 | bzip3 | i'm running cos i want to buy a beer |
| 05:26.16 | _andy | Heh, alright. :) |
| 05:26.19 | bzip3 | here in brazil today is the "childrens day" |
| 05:26.31 | bzip3 | i must to drink a beer in the first hours of day |
| 05:26.32 | bzip3 | ahouahouhauoh |
| 05:26.41 | _andy | Hahaha :D |
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| 05:27.35 | Vratha | ooooooooh yeah... twm as my VMs window manager |
| 05:27.38 | Vratha | so beautiful... |
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| 05:28.49 | bzip3 | _andy: apt-get -f upgrade or maybe dist-upgrade |
| 05:29.06 | bzip3 | now it will fix that scramble |
| 05:29.17 | _andy | What does the -f do? |
| 05:29.21 | _andy | Force? |
| 05:29.26 | bzip3 | no! |
| 05:29.33 | bzip3 | its wonderfulllll, see: |
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| 05:30.08 | bzip3 | -f --fix-broken Adds missing dependencies |
| 05:30.13 | bzip3 | kkkk |
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| 05:30.14 | _andy | Oh okay. |
| 05:30.23 | _andy | I'll try that, brb |
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| 05:31.43 | bzip3 | news? |
| 05:31.43 | _andy | apt-get does not detect any broken dependencies |
| 05:31.47 | bryno | is there a way to see why a certain package was installed? i installed kde-minimal and it installed konqueror and iceweasel. why iceweasel? :\ |
| 05:31.52 | bzip3 | kkkkk |
| 05:32.00 | bzip3 | try with aptitude |
| 05:32.17 | bzip3 | and i'll look how clean all that damn bugged cache |
| 05:32.33 | _andy | bzip3: I beleive aptitude and apt-get are very similiar (if not the same) utilities |
| 05:32.37 | aum | help - after doing apt-get upgrade on sid, my bluetooth dongle (cambridge silicon) no longer gets recognised, and hcitool dev shows nothing - any ideas? |
| 05:32.47 | _andy | I can clean the cache bzip3: But I really think that isn't relavent. |
| 05:32.50 | _andy | :/ |
| 05:33.00 | bzip3 | try too this apt-get check |
| 05:33.10 | _andy | I just did 30 seconds ago :P |
| 05:33.17 | _andy | It thinks everything is perfect. |
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| 05:33.36 | Tramp | !tell bryno -about aptitude why |
| 05:33.37 | bzip3 | _andy, from where it thinks that are no broken? |
| 05:33.47 | bzip3 | you have sure that is broken alright? |
| 05:33.58 | _andy | I am not completely sure. |
| 05:34.18 | _andy | All I am sure of is that x.org and gnome can no longer start. |
| 05:34.39 | bryno | Tramp, excellent. ty |
| 05:34.45 | Tramp | yw |
| 05:34.46 | _andy | Tramp: Are you familiar with x.org? |
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| 05:35.10 | Tramp | an a scale from 1..10 - 1 |
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| 05:35.25 | _andy | Ah okay. |
| 05:35.38 | Arrowmaster | bryno: aptitude why konqueror; aptitude why iceweasel |
| 05:35.40 | _andy | bzip3: I think I will reinstall my entire system. |
| 05:35.45 | _andy | thank you anyway. |
| 05:35.50 | _andy | bye. |
| 05:35.53 | bzip3 | _andy |
| 05:35.54 | jair | Tramp: I am doing at least a little bit of progress |
| 05:35.59 | bzip3 | lost |
| 05:36.03 | jnewt01 | i lost ssh to one server all the sudden from an xp client. still works from another debian box, i haven't dealt with setup in about 6 months, where should i start... |
| 05:36.20 | bryno | Arrowmaster, ty. |
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| 05:37.20 | jair | Tramp: I am not getting more denied messages. from the bind server the machine with the IP 10.66.2.21 (bind9) I can dig and resolve addresses in the internet. But from the clients I can't yet |
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| 05:38.12 | Tramp | jair: and the error from dig is the same as previously? |
| 05:38.17 | jair | nope |
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| 05:39.34 | jair | Tramp: I will show you the dig error from the client trying to run dig in this case a linux debian lenny machine. => http://paste.debian.net/48830 |
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| 05:40.24 | Tramp | hmm. did you change anything else in your conf? |
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| 05:40.48 | jair | Tramp: this is what I have on the resolv.conf file of the client => http://paste.debian.net/48831 |
| 05:41.30 | Tramp | well, you did a dig @..., so the resolv.conf is irrelevant. I meant the named.conf.* |
| 05:41.51 | jair | Tramp: this is what I have in the resolv.conf of the bind9 server ip 10.66.2.21 => http://paste.debian.net/48832 |
| 05:41.59 | Tramp | because now the server does not answer at all while previously at least it was reachable |
| 05:42.08 | jair | right |
| 05:42.19 | jair | so what did I break? |
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| 05:42.49 | Tramp | did you change anything in the named.conf.* except the 10.0.0.0/24 to 10.66.0.0/16? |
| 05:43.16 | jair | Tramp: no that is not in named.conf it is in named.conf.options |
| 05:43.17 | jair | :) |
| 05:43.32 | Tramp | yeah, that's what the * was for |
| 05:43.51 | jair | but I did not change anything else besides 10.0.0.0/24 to 10.66.0.0/16 that was all I changed |
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| 05:44.10 | jair | Tramp: I understand sorry :) |
| 05:44.38 | jair | so now the server is resolving not problem, and I do not get any denied messages on the logs |
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| 05:44.56 | jair | Tramp: but I guess is because now the clients can not even get to the bind9 server :( |
| 05:45.49 | Tramp | yeah. You can't reach the server because the clients can't get to the server ... |
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| 05:46.55 | jair | Tramp: check this on the server as well => http://paste.debian.net/48834 |
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| 05:47.41 | jair | Tramp: I mean it looks like the server is not resolving anything outside, and the clients can not even talk to it. But when it resolves it uses the other two ISP provider dns servers. |
| 05:48.11 | Tramp | are you sure the server is running? |
| 05:48.26 | jair | yes it is |
| 05:48.38 | Tramp | how do you verify? |
| 05:48.45 | jair | in the logs |
| 05:48.57 | jair | and with: /etc/init.d/bind9 status |
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| 05:49.14 | jair | bind9 is running |
| 05:49.18 | jair | that is what i get |
| 05:49.32 | jair | is this firewall you think? |
| 05:49.38 | Tramp | jair: does "ps -ef | grep [n]amed" show it? |
| 05:49.47 | jair | one sec |
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| 05:50.47 | jair | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/48835 |
| 05:51.04 | jair | Tramp: I am telling you it is running fine |
| 05:53.45 | Tramp | jair: ok. On the server: "dig @127.0.0.1 google.com" - does it time out again? |
| 05:53.58 | jair | Tramp: it looks like the 10.66.0.0/16 is not doing the work :( |
| 05:54.03 | jair | Tramp: let me try that |
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| 05:55.17 | jair | Tramp: it times out :( |
| 05:55.37 | jair | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/48836 |
| 05:56.58 | Tramp | well, sorry. I'm out of ideas then .There is a #bind9, maybe they can help. |
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| 05:58.05 | jair | Tramp: Thank you so much |
| 05:58.25 | jair | Tramp: I am not sure what 10.66.0.0/16 means but I may need something different there |
| 05:58.50 | Tramp | hmm. wish I could have improved the situation. - no that's your CIDR-notation for "10.66.xxx.xxx", i.e. your net |
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| 05:59.48 | jair | Tramp: I see. Yes I mean I do not get messages about cient being denied, but I can not contact the server at all... |
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| 06:00.21 | m0r0n | Is there a bootable live CD of Debian? |
| 06:00.30 | Tramp | jair: yes - so it's even worse than before and I have absolutely no idea, why. |
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| 06:00.41 | jair | hahaha. |
| 06:01.05 | jair | Tramp: is there a way I can set recursion all or something like that? |
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| 06:01.48 | Tramp | because 10.0.0.0/24 is definitely wrong, so at least it should have not made the situation worse - as I said befor, afaik ALL is the /default/. i.e. if you put nothing in there, recursion should be allowed |
| 06:02.09 | jair | I see |
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| 06:02.27 | jair | Tramp: does recursion uses port 53 udp and tcp? |
| 06:02.38 | Tramp | udp only |
| 06:02.52 | jair | what is my network does not allow UDP |
| 06:03.04 | jair | the "10.66.xxx.xxx" network. |
| 06:03.10 | naquad | any ideas on lightweight window manager able to work in tiling and framed mods? |
| 06:03.16 | naquad | (need it for laptop) |
| 06:03.31 | jair | there is one server I know have the 53 UDP TPC open |
| 06:04.21 | Tramp | jair: even if there was a firewall between client and server, it would have to work on the server itself, which it doesn't |
| 06:05.27 | Tramp | jair: and since it worked previously on the client (though with "recursion not available") blaming a firewall would mean, that it changed its behaviour in the meantime |
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| 06:06.28 | jair | Tramp: well if I do this => http://paste.debian.net/48837 |
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| 06:07.47 | Tramp | oh - so it works for local resolution - also for the clients? |
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| 06:08.38 | jair | Tramp: local resolution has been always work. It is when the client needs to resolve google.com or yahoo.com |
| 06:09.14 | jair | Tramp: that is why I am not understanding why going to the internet now is not answering at all... |
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| 06:09.18 | Tramp | jair: hmm. How do you resolve remote addresses? Over forwarders or over root |
| 06:09.31 | jair | see that is a good question. |
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| 06:09.50 | Tramp | jair: maybe your ISP blocks outgoing 53 - in this case you'd have to use his servers as your forwarders |
| 06:10.11 | jair | Tramp: I am almost sure that is the issue |
| 06:10.45 | jair | I have two dns servers provided by att, the ones that can resolve I showed them to you in the previous pastings |
| 06:10.55 | Tramp | jair: ok, then in named.conf.options, you'd need to enter them as forwarders (there should be a commented-out example) |
| 06:11.08 | jair | Tramp: let me try that. |
| 06:11.12 | Tramp | jair: the "forwarders{...}" part |
| 06:11.21 | jair | Tramp: checking |
| 06:11.39 | jair | Tramp: I see the commented example |
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| 06:12.31 | Tramp | if this is the problem, I was misinterpreting the dig error messages. |
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| 06:13.17 | jair | Tramp: :) |
| 06:13.21 | jair | Tramp: we will see |
| 06:13.36 | Andorin | Is there a terminal command, in GNOME, that will minimize all windows? |
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| 06:14.27 | jair | Tramp: I restarted it |
| 06:14.35 | jair | Tramp: should I try to dig again... |
| 06:14.37 | Tramp | ........ tension ....... |
| 06:14.52 | Tramp | jair: yep, from the server @127.0.0.1 first |
| 06:14.57 | jair | yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:15.03 | jair | Tramp: :P |
| 06:15.07 | Tramp | no from the client ..... |
| 06:15.10 | Tramp | now |
| 06:15.18 | jair | right |
| 06:15.25 | jair | from the server itseld |
| 06:15.28 | jair | itself |
| 06:15.47 | jair | now should I try from the clients? |
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| 06:15.56 | Tramp | if you dare |
| 06:15.59 | jair | It works!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:16.12 | jair | It works!!!!!!!!!!! yes yes yes! |
| 06:16.15 | jair | hahahaha |
| 06:16.25 | Tramp | ah. ok. So the timeout-error was the server telling us, he could not recurse |
| 06:16.30 | jair | Tramp: my friend thank you so much for your time and patience!!! |
| 06:16.37 | Tramp | and not, as I meant, the server itself could not be reached |
| 06:16.38 | jair | right right |
| 06:16.41 | WormFood | is tab completion in sid broken? it won't complete for anything with a space in it, and it has been working great in the past. |
| 06:16.56 | Tramp | so we actually improved the situation with 10.66 but did not realize it |
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| 06:17.39 | jair | Tramp: I was about to mention something regarding forwarders, I was chatting with the #bind9 people and one of the right away told me you need to enable recursion, and check your forwarders |
| 06:17.47 | Tramp | jair: and now you can probably even remove the "allow-recursion" stuff again, because all that was /really/ needed was the forwarders |
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| 06:17.49 | jair | Tramp: I see |
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| 06:17.59 | jair | ohhhh |
| 06:18.04 | Tramp | ok. Glad it works. |
| 06:18.05 | jair | Tramp: let me test then |
| 06:18.17 | Tramp | WormFood: yes. There is a bug for it |
| 06:18.23 | jair | Tramp: man, you learned something new today and I for sure too!!! |
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| 06:18.47 | WormFood | Tramp, do you have the url handy you can point me to? |
| 06:19.10 | WormFood | Tramp, has it been fixed? |
| 06:19.14 | Tramp | WormFood: just search in the BTS (bugs.debian.org, package bash-completion). It's there with half a dozen duplicates |
| 06:19.29 | WormFood | cool, thanks |
| 06:20.23 | jair | Tramp: it works my friend after I removed the allow-recursion |
| 06:20.37 | Tramp | WormFood: just has been fixed with an update on Saturday |
| 06:20.45 | Tramp | jair: fine |
| 06:20.56 | jair | Tramp: what I need to read my book about is, on securing my dns server little bit more to restrict query from only my network correct? |
| 06:21.02 | WormFood | great, I'll just upgrade then |
| 06:21.05 | Tramp | WormFood: 544024 |
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| 06:21.30 | Tramp | jair: yeah. In this case you need "allow-query" and probably want the "allow-recursion" back in :) |
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| 06:22.23 | Tramp | jair: note, that the behaviour is different for cached stuff and "new" stuff. For cached stuff, no recursion is needed, so the allow-recurision has no effect anyway |
| 06:22.58 | Tramp | jair: (so if you removed allow-recursion and tried google.com again, it would have made no difference anyways. Only if you had tested with a "new" query) |
| 06:23.01 | jair | Tramp: I will read about it a bit then will probably work on it with the channel, I am very faithful with debian channels, a lot of people that works with debian, have an impresive level of general knowledge and understanding of servers. |
| 06:23.28 | Tramp | yeah. You're just unlucky because of the 1..10 scale my bind knowledge is at 2 |
| 06:23.45 | jair | Tramp: hahahaha |
| 06:23.52 | jair | Tramp: you are good my friend |
| 06:24.00 | WormFood | I'm pretty good with bind...at least the basic stuff....been admining bind for over 10 years now |
| 06:24.08 | jair | Tramp: you just needed a little bit of hints and push |
| 06:24.09 | jair | :) |
| 06:24.16 | Andorin | Is there a terminal command, in GNOME, that will minimize all windows? |
| 06:24.35 | WormFood | jair, you probably want to purge your dns cache before you try again, when making changes to dns, or your resolver may give you a cached response instead |
| 06:25.02 | Tramp | jair: yeah. I hear that often :) |
| 06:25.46 | WormFood | what was the command to tell what version of a package is in my repository? (someone told me before, but I forgot) |
| 06:26.04 | Tramp | apt-cache policy? |
| 06:26.36 | jair | how can I purge it? |
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| 06:27.38 | WormFood | jair, /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
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| 06:28.17 | WormFood | jail, also, if you're not aware of the "dig" tool, check that shit out...it is great for dns troubleshooting (much better than nslookup) |
| 06:28.31 | WormFood | oops, that was directed at jair |
| 06:29.37 | jair | WormFood: great thank you so much, I do not use nslookup unless I have only a windows machine. I use dig |
| 06:29.40 | jair | :) |
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| 06:30.17 | jair | WormFood: what is "nscd"? |
| 06:30.28 | jair | WormFood: I do not have that in my lenny 5.0.3 |
| 06:30.44 | jair | I try that and I got not such a file or directory |
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| 06:31.06 | WormFood | not sure what it stands for...probably something like Name Server Caching Daemon |
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| 06:31.20 | WormFood | well, look in /etc/init.d/ for something similar |
| 06:31.52 | Tramp | to flush the cache of your bind, it's "rndc flush" |
| 06:31.57 | Tramp | jair: ^^ |
| 06:32.05 | WormFood | good guess, it is "Name Service Cache Daemon" |
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| 06:32.36 | WormFood | are you talking about flushing the local machine's cache, or the server cache? |
| 06:32.48 | WormFood | I was talking about flushing the local machine |
| 06:35.42 | jair | Tramp: I will use that one then one sec |
| 06:35.43 | jair | L) |
| 06:35.45 | jair | :) |
| 06:36.14 | jair | Tramp: done. |
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| 06:37.05 | jair | Tramp: I noticed something. If I removed the allow-recursion 10.66.0.0/16 from the /etc/bind/name.conf.options the clients can not do queries. or get out to the internet |
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| 06:37.47 | Tramp | weird. so maybe this "allow by default" has changed at some point.. |
| 06:38.02 | jair | Tramp: yep. It is not default I guess. |
| 06:38.22 | jair | Tramp: also in the book mentioned that was a vulnerability |
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| 06:41.32 | jair | Tramp: anyway. so far I have done a lot of progress and learning so much |
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| 06:41.42 | Tramp | jair: ok, glad we got it working - gtg. cu |
| 06:41.42 | jair | Tramp: thank you so much for all your time and help |
| 06:41.47 | Tramp | yw |
| 06:41.56 | jair | Tramp: I have to go sleep myself |
| 06:41.58 | jair | :) |
| 06:42.03 | jair | 1:41am here CDT |
| 06:42.10 | jair | take care my friend |
| 06:42.15 | jair | WormFood: thank you as well |
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| 06:44.53 | WormFood | no problem, I hope something I said helped |
| 06:46.47 | jair | WormFood: :) good night |
| 06:47.02 | WormFood | 'night |
| 06:47.13 | WormFood | it is 2:48 pm here ;) |
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| 07:42.55 | caracal | anybody know anything about the gnuserv problem with emacs 23 under squeeze? was reported as bug #542476 back in august, but i see no replies to that report, no workaround, etc. |
| 07:43.47 | djp` | if i use the command "aptitude purge foo" does the purge action remove any dependencies, recommended packages (installed with the app) and config files? |
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| 07:44.58 | caracal | djp`: far as i know, if you purge a package, any *automatic* dependencies will go away with it ... they'll be marked with "{u}" in the confirmation message |
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| 07:45.09 | caracal | anythingy you installed explicitly, no |
| 07:45.32 | peterrooney | djp`: not usually. the deborphan package may help for the packages, and apt-get has a --purge option (don't know about aptitude) |
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| 07:50.11 | djp` | caracal, peterrooney, thanks... so recommended packages that get installed by aptitude when the app in question is installed will not be removed and still remain? |
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| 07:52.32 | caracal | no, i would expect those to be removed |
| 07:52.32 | caracal | if you didn't explicitly say "install package X", but it was installed because you installed Y, either because it was a depends or a recommends, then X should go away when you purge Y |
| 07:52.35 | caracal | such packages are marked with an "a" in the aptitude listing of them, meaning "automatically installed" |
| 07:53.02 | caracal | and they will be automatically removed once the last thing that depends on them has been removed |
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| 07:58.56 | Rienzilla | hmm, is it possible to (re)-generate the rules files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? |
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| 07:59.33 | SlayerXP | Rienzilla: delete them and reboot? |
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| 07:59.44 | Rienzilla | haha |
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| 07:59.46 | Rienzilla | the point is |
| 07:59.56 | Rienzilla | I am upgrading a machine from a custom to a stock kernel |
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| 08:00.06 | Rienzilla | the machine is remote, and didn't have udev before |
| 08:00.24 | Rienzilla | so I want to make sure the ethX interfaces are the same as they are now, otherwise i'm fscked :-) |
| 08:00.36 | SlayerXP | Rienzilla: use your lights out management tool, iLo for HP kit, DRAC for Dell, etc. |
| 08:00.52 | Rienzilla | if I had that, there would be no problem |
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| 08:01.31 | SlayerXP | okay, so you get to sit in the corner chanting "next time I will buy hardware with proper lights out management." |
| 08:01.54 | Rienzilla | Well |
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| 08:02.06 | Rienzilla | this machine is an old one, it's being replaced soon. |
| 08:02.34 | radoe | Rienzilla: then don't touch it. |
| 08:02.57 | Rienzilla | besides, I did not join this channel to be told that I need proper lights out management. Even _with_ lights out management it would be a bizarre solution to 'delete the rules and reboot' to regenerate them |
| 08:03.27 | Rienzilla | radoe: I have to, in order to migrate the stuff it runs to a new machine... the damn thing is missing an nfs client |
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| 08:12.43 | Rienzilla | *sigh* saying nothing or "pfoo, i don't know" is not a shame... well, whatever. |
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| 08:32.59 | spowers | i'm restoring a server from a backup and the backup does not have correct uid/gid on files.. is there a way to reset permissions on system files (/usr, /var, so on) to specific owners, or should i just punt and reinstall |
| 08:33.07 | spowers | (OR, maybe chown everything to root?) |
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| 08:46.29 | kevix | random question. insert an SDHC card into slot. assume it is not automounted. how to tell if it has the lock switch on or off. |
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| 08:53.45 | rvalles | 08:46:32 < kevix> random question. insert an SDHC card into slot. assume it is not automounted. how to tell if it has the lock switch on or off. |
| 08:53.56 | rvalles | I'd go with badblocks, non-destructive write mode (-n) |
| 08:54.05 | nsadmin | kevix: look at the card |
| 08:54.09 | rvalles | there's probably better methods, but this would do. |
| 08:54.23 | rvalles | it's better than, for example, mounting |
| 08:54.37 | rvalles | because when mounting, if not in readonly, it'd change stuff already |
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| 08:54.55 | spowers | lshw seems to know an awful lot about media states, why not ask it? |
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| 08:56.34 | kevix | spowers: that might be, but in this case, I dont want to install that software |
| 08:57.11 | kevix | rvalles: going to see about the badblocks |
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| 09:01.31 | jnewt | processor temp monitor? |
| 09:02.07 | jnewt | for lenny, command line only system. |
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| 09:03.18 | kevix | lm sensor |
| 09:04.03 | jnewt | tx |
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| 09:04.28 | huhmz | Anyone can recommend Free/Open Source DNS/DHCP management software for BIND/isc dhcpd ? |
| 09:05.07 | SlayerXP | huhmz: I use vi |
| 09:05.09 | nsadmin | huhmz: try searching |
| 09:05.20 | OpenTokix | huhmz: powerdns |
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| 09:05.40 | huhmz | nsadmin: i did, im just wondering if there is some well known "best of breed" |
| 09:05.49 | huhmz | OpenTokix: ill check it out |
| 09:06.05 | nsadmin | what did you find? |
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| 09:06.55 | kevix | sfdisk give a nice error message with trying to read a locked SDHC. |
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| 09:07.00 | nsadmin | as far as bind, I also use a text editor and a copy of DNS and BIND |
| 09:07.24 | huhmz | nsadmin: i found something called mysqlBind |
| 09:07.46 | nsadmin | mysql? ok, if you really want to have to use that |
| 09:08.02 | jnewt | kevix: i see apt gives me lm-sensors, lmsensors3 and lmsensors4, are the latter just updates? they don't seem to specify. |
| 09:08.04 | huhmz | just browsing around so far... powerdns seems like a whole sollution including dns daemon |
| 09:08.18 | huhmz | apparently mysql is only used to store config |
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| 09:09.40 | kevix | jnewt: there might be a required kernel modules you need to setup (or insert), but the lm-sensor should be the some. |
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| 09:09.56 | kevix | s/some/one/ |
| 09:10.26 | nsadmin | the sum of the one? |
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| 09:10.50 | kevix | no. lm-sensor should be the one. |
| 09:11.16 | kevix | !info lmsensor3 |
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| 09:13.42 | jelly | judd: info lm-sensors |
| 09:13.45 | judd | jelly: lm-sensors (utils): is extra; Version: 1:3.0.2-1+b2; Size: 121.4k; Installed: 460k -- utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors |
| 09:13.51 | jelly | looking for that? |
| 09:14.14 | kevix | no. I knew that. I was looking for lmsensor3, but it doesnt seem to exist |
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| 09:14.32 | jelly | there are various lib* packages built from the same source |
| 09:14.34 | nsadmin | will judd feed you the paragraph after the summary? |
| 09:15.27 | jelly | judd: info libsensors4 |
| 09:15.31 | judd | jelly: libsensors4 (libs): is optional; Version: 1:3.0.2-1+b2; Size: 59.8k; Installed: 160k -- library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors |
| 09:15.33 | kevix | ok. its libsensor3 and 4 |
| 09:15.46 | jelly | notice the very same version |
| 09:16.35 | kevix | jnewt wrote lmsensor3, not libsensor3. so that threw me off. |
| 09:17.11 | jnewt | oh yeah, misread that one....sorry. |
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| 09:18.56 | kevix | installing lm-sensor may find your sensors. but i think sometimes you may need some extra kernel modules. |
| 09:19.20 | kevix | of course, reading the README might help. |
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| 09:22.03 | Sia- | how can i fix this error http://paste.debian.net/48850/plain/48850 |
| 09:22.56 | SlayerXP | Sia-: had you bothered with google, you'd know that it's a common problem with older clams. you need to bounce the d |
| 09:22.58 | kevix | maybe a PID file has not been deleted? |
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| 09:23.30 | Sia- | SlayerXP, ? bounce the d? |
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| 09:26.04 | kevix | google say stop it, freshclam -v, then start it. but then this is from a non-clam user |
| 09:26.52 | Sia- | kevix, the problem you think that nobody can use google without you |
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| 09:27.36 | kevix | it is useful if you tell folks here what you tried. I do not know what you tried before you came here. |
| 09:28.14 | Sia- | kevix, and is useful to try to read the pastebin |
| 09:28.56 | nsadmin | Sia-: you certainly can use google without him! |
| 09:29.31 | Sia- | nsadmin, i fix it without the google |
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| 09:30.20 | c03 | hi |
| 09:30.35 | c03 | I have trouble getting my sound working |
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| 09:31.11 | c03 | It feels like i've tried everything |
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| 09:31.24 | c03 | but after a dist-upgrade, it just isn't recognized anymore |
| 09:31.53 | sven_ | are there any simple tools to use for locating the dependents of a package ? for example, I wish to know what packages depend on x11-common ... |
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| 09:32.51 | cydork | !rdepends |
| 09:32.51 | dpkg | i heard rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 09:33.00 | cydork | sven_: ^^ |
| 09:33.01 | up365 | c03, if you have alsamixer installed, open in terminal and unmute wave,cd,pcm, etc |
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| 09:33.19 | kevix | apt-cache rdepends? |
| 09:33.29 | kevix | oh. missed that. |
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| 09:33.51 | sven_ | thanks :-) that'll do nicely. |
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| 09:34.11 | nsadmin | I think the idea that's being passed onto you, is the more info you volunteer the better, it also makes you seem more cooperative in getting help for yourself. This influences the number of people willing to bother responding out of the currently 828 here). Also helpful is to remember that the help you would get from here and similar places is volunteered |
| 09:34.16 | c03 | up365: that's not the problem =/ When I open up mp3blaster, it says my sound device isn't found |
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| 09:34.39 | nsadmin | the more info you volunteer, the more it seems like a 2-way conversation |
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| 09:35.42 | kevix | lspci will give info about your sound hardware |
| 09:35.42 | c03 | nsadmin: me? |
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| 09:36.44 | kevix | but only include the one line that is specific, not the entire thing |
| 09:36.49 | nsadmin | c03: well it goes for anyone, but wasn't directed at you |
| 09:36.57 | c03 | k |
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| 09:38.50 | nsadmin | and it's just my opinion, which includes: the more it seems like a conversation instead of helper/helpee exchange, the more information likely to come out |
| 09:39.11 | c03 | probably true |
| 09:39.30 | c03 | well, this other day =D my sound stopped working due to a dist-upgrade |
| 09:39.34 | c03 | I mean, like, come on ? |
| 09:40.08 | c03 | So I tried installing and removing some modules with modconf |
| 09:40.22 | c03 | I'm fairly sure I have an intel ac97 card or something like that |
| 09:40.29 | c03 | But that didn't make any difference |
| 09:40.34 | nsadmin | try lspci -nn |
| 09:40.41 | c03 | mp3blaster insisted that I didn't have a sound card |
| 09:40.55 | nsadmin | and you'll see the 1234:5467 looking thing at the end |
| 09:41.08 | nsadmin | show that for the sound card |
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| 09:42.00 | c03 | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 01) |
| 09:42.28 | nsadmin | judd the bot has pciids |
| 09:42.30 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "the" is not a valid command. |
| 09:42.39 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:24c5 |
| 09:42.43 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:24c5] is '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24c5 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem |
| 09:42.58 | kevix | that is one helpful bot! |
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| 09:43.08 | c03 | nice |
| 09:43.16 | nsadmin | it doesn't know how to the |
| 09:43.47 | kevix | it says 'snd-intel8x0'. that seems like 'lsmod' might show if it is present. |
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| 09:44.13 | c03 | okay!? |
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| 09:44.30 | c03 | snd 45636 7 snd_intel8x0,snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
| 09:44.33 | c03 | from lsmod |
| 09:44.45 | kevix | oh. that seems like it is. |
| 09:44.58 | nsadmin | ok, does alsamixer seem to work? |
| 09:45.02 | c03 | yes |
| 09:45.27 | kevix | any earphones plugged in :) |
| 09:45.33 | nsadmin | ok, if you look at the top of alsamixer, it should at least hint at what kind of device |
| 09:45.41 | c03 | hehe, yes, but the sound card isn't recognized |
| 09:46.01 | c03 | it says intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
| 09:46.10 | c03 | (where it says card:) |
| 09:46.22 | kevix | have you tried to play a simple wav file with 'aplayer' ? |
| 09:46.25 | c03 | So i'm fairly sure alsamixer know's it's there |
| 09:46.46 | c03 | nope |
| 09:46.55 | c03 | I apparently don't have aplayer |
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| 09:47.04 | c03 | isn't there a soundtest program? |
| 09:47.09 | kevix | its 'aplay' |
| 09:47.39 | c03 | now I need a wav file =P |
| 09:47.45 | nsadmin | are things unmuted? |
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| 09:47.50 | c03 | yes |
| 09:47.56 | kevix | locate |grep "\.wav" |
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| 09:48.11 | jelly | !speaker-test |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | somebody said speaker-test was do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 09:48.29 | c03 | thanks jelly |
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| 09:48.58 | kevix | its good to see if it is the specific program that is faulty or the whole sound system |
| 09:49.27 | c03_ | no sound from speaker-test |
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| 09:50.47 | c03_ | hmm, the speaker seems to be working when i make an error |
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| 09:50.56 | c03_ | like, moving too much to the left in the term |
| 09:51.19 | c03_ | but still "Failed to open sound device" from mp3blaster |
| 09:51.27 | c03_ | and speaker-test doesn't give me sound either |
| 09:51.29 | nsadmin | oh, that' |
| 09:51.38 | nsadmin | s different |
| 09:51.48 | nsadmin | find out why it failed to open |
| 09:52.00 | kevix | the wiki says 'alsaconf' might be useful but it is in the alsa-utils package |
| 09:52.40 | c03_ | trying it |
| 09:52.42 | c03_ | okay |
| 09:53.11 | c03_ | but speaker-test should give me sound, shouldn't it? |
| 09:53.56 | c03_ | oy! alsaconf worked, now I get noise from speaker-test |
| 09:54.08 | c03_ | mp3blaster still doesn't open my sound device though |
| 09:54.23 | kevix | so it maybe an issue with mp3blaster |
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| 09:54.36 | c03_ | it certainly looks like it =P |
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| 09:55.01 | c03_ | solving it the windows way, by reinstalling... |
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| 09:55.57 | c03_ | surprisingly it didn't work |
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| 09:57.07 | tipoconbotas | alguine habla español muchachos |
| 09:57.47 | c03_ | habla engles por favor |
| 09:57.53 | kevix | !es |
| 09:57.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:58.15 | cretsiah | where do i change xorgs background from the black-grey dots? |
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| 09:58.30 | tipoconbotas | thanks !sorry Idon't speack english :) |
| 09:58.47 | kevix | !pt |
| 09:58.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 09:59.14 | tipoconbotas | bye |
| 09:59.19 | c03_ | cya |
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| 09:59.43 | c03_ | hmm, it appears that mp3blaster has no log files... |
| 09:59.47 | c03_ | how convenient |
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| 10:00.03 | jetscreamer | alguine is the clue that it's not spanish |
| 10:00.28 | kevix | !info mpg321 |
| 10:00.34 | dpkg | mpg321: (mpg123 clone that doesn't use floating point), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.6 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
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| 10:00.42 | c03_ | !info mp3blaster |
| 10:00.48 | dpkg | mp3blaster: (Full-screen console mp3 and Ogg Vorbis player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:3.2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
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| 10:01.16 | cretsiah | !xorg background colours |
| 10:01.16 | mhymn | cretsiah: i guess you just need to set a background actually, nothing's there afaik |
| 10:01.17 | kevix | not quite that easy :) |
| 10:01.21 | c03_ | =D |
| 10:01.27 | jetscreamer | you can set a color |
| 10:01.35 | mhymn | cretsiah: and /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 10:01.41 | jetscreamer | it was mentioned yesterday.. i don't remember how though |
| 10:01.53 | kevix | a color is normally set if you install a desktop environment. |
| 10:01.54 | cretsiah | yeh i just want a solid background colour |
| 10:02.05 | c03_ | make a time machine and warp back 24 hours |
| 10:02.17 | jetscreamer | logging is off :/ |
| 10:02.19 | jetscreamer | !logs |
| 10:02.19 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 10:02.32 | jetscreamer | gah, there's a channel log online somewhere |
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| 10:02.50 | kevix | it says in the /topic |
| 10:03.14 | mhymn | cretsiah: iirc tools like feh and imagemagick are able to do that |
| 10:03.16 | cretsiah | haha i wish kevix i didnt install a desktop enviroment |
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| 10:03.49 | kevix | cretsiah: that is why I mentioned it. assume you might want to. |
| 10:04.59 | cretsiah | ive got twm, jwm, and rox-filer running the colour thing isnt that important but i would like to set conky in background (as in always starts when x starts up |
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| 10:05.57 | vlt | Hello. How can I build an initrd when I can't chroot to the target system (because it's x64 and I'm in x86 now)? Is this possible? |
| 10:06.14 | mhymn | cretsiah: $ feh --bg-scale /path/to/image.file <- a simple example! |
| 10:06.49 | vlt | I tried mkinitramfs's "-r" option pointing to the mounted taret root fs, but it still complains about missing /lib/modules/... |
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| 10:07.03 | vlt | s/taret/target |
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| 10:07.56 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.59 | sigp239 | I am launching xorg by a file /etc/rc2.d/S99startx with the contents startx & |
| 10:08.03 | sigp239 | Is this the proper way? |
| 10:08.08 | _andy | Alright guys this is complete bullshit, I just did a fresh install and X still refuses to start. |
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| 10:08.38 | c03_ | nsadmin: any idea how to get mp3blaster to recognize my card? |
| 10:08.49 | _andy | I've configured my X correctly, and it worked for about 5 minutes in which I was happy of it working, I installed pidgin and adjusted the volume settings, rebooted and now it's in a non-working state again. |
| 10:08.54 | _andy | What the fuck. =_= |
| 10:09.31 | mhymn | jetscreamer: irclog factoid |
| 10:09.35 | kevix | _andy: did you check /var/log/Xorg* |
| 10:09.58 | nsadmin | c03_: mp3blaster does not have to recognize your card, it has to talk to the alsa driver |
| 10:10.01 | _andy | kevix: Yes, I see no errors or warnings unfortunately. |
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| 10:10.23 | _andy | Whenever gdm tries to start xorg |
| 10:10.24 | kevix | _andy: did you try 'X -configure' |
| 10:10.32 | _andy | I get a blue screen stating |
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| 10:10.57 | nsadmin | the alsa driver has to recognize your card, which it does, according to what we've already seen |
| 10:10.58 | c03_ | nsadmin: which is my sound device in /dev/ ?? or how do I find out which is? |
| 10:11.06 | c03_ | aye |
| 10:11.11 | _andy | "Gdm has tried to start X 6 times in the last 90 seconds. There is probably something bad going on. Waiting 2 minutes until trying again. |
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| 10:11.39 | nsadmin | they're actually somewhere off of /proc/asound |
| 10:11.42 | c03_ | I found a forum thread where they specify the path to the sound device and it works... they use /dev/dsp but I don't have a dsp |
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| 10:12.09 | kevix | _andy: sometimes odd things happen to X if the file system is full |
| 10:12.16 | _andy | kevix: I've tried nvidia-xconfig (which usually did the trick - auto configuring x.org to my nvidia card, and it worked! But then I rebooted and magically it now doesn't work o_O |
| 10:12.34 | _andy | kevix: I'm on an ext2 filesystem with 200gb of space |
| 10:12.35 | nsadmin | I think that /dev/dsp thing is a product of alsa driver emulating an earlier driver called os |
| 10:12.42 | nsadmin | oss |
| 10:12.42 | _andy | I just reinstalled to fix this exact problem |
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| 10:12.59 | _andy | I'm on a fresh install - maybe 500 mb of data is being held right now |
| 10:13.00 | c03_ | ok |
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| 10:13.22 | kevix | _andy: oh. dont know about those nvidia beasts. |
| 10:13.38 | _andy | kevix: I will try `X -configue` now, brb. |
| 10:13.44 | _andy | Well it worked fine until today |
| 10:13.47 | _andy | I just booted up |
| 10:13.47 | sigp239 | I am launching xorg by a file /etc/rc2.d/S99startx with the contents "startx &". Is this the proper way? |
| 10:13.55 | _andy | And (not joking) I was at a console |
| 10:13.58 | nsadmin | anyway, I gotta go... you still have to find out why your app mp3something is not able to open the sound driver |
| 10:14.00 | _andy | No X, no Gnome. |
| 10:14.01 | _andy | Nothing :/ |
| 10:14.10 | _andy | Everything seemed intact... |
| 10:14.14 | _andy | But they wouldnt start. |
| 10:14.23 | _andy | I just did a fresh reinstall and its doing the same! |
| 10:14.25 | _andy | :( |
| 10:14.38 | _andy | But yeah, I'll try `X -configure` |
| 10:14.41 | _andy | Hold on =) |
| 10:14.41 | c03_ | nsadmin: okay, thanks for the help =) |
| 10:14.44 | nsadmin | enterness |
| 10:14.49 | nsadmin | enterage |
| 10:14.58 | nsadmin | enteritis |
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| 10:20.44 | c03_ | http://mp3blaster.sourceforge.net/#faq |
| 10:20.52 | c03_ | what does this mean and how do I do it? |
| 10:21.58 | c03_ | how do I set an environment variable |
| 10:22.03 | WormFood | why in the fuck is it so god damn hard to make audio in skype work with debian? sometimes it works, and sometimes it don't work....I can see any patterns as to why it does or does not work. |
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| 10:22.13 | kevix | it means that there is a configuation file usually in /etc/ or can be created in ~/ to set these options |
| 10:22.47 | kevix | c03_: 'man mp3blaster' should help explain it |
| 10:23.11 | c03_ | okay |
| 10:24.00 | mhymn | more on /msg dpkg rtfm |
| 10:24.08 | kevix | heh |
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| 10:31.05 | c03_ | IT WORKS! |
| 10:31.10 | c03_ | !congratulate c03 |
| 10:31.10 | dpkg | Yay c03, you did it! |
| 10:31.17 | Lagbolt | hey, quick Q? i have 4 GB of ram and running the amd64 kern but free -m only shows 3967 MB of ram... do i need big mem kernel? |
| 10:31.53 | kevix | ! beer |
| 10:31.54 | dpkg | it has been said that beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 10:32.05 | kevix | !botsnack |
| 10:32.05 | dpkg | kevix: aw, gee |
| 10:32.34 | c03_ | Lagbolt: no, just enjoy the 3967mb of ram you have =P |
| 10:32.59 | Lagbolt | i am enjoying it c03 just curious where the rest of it went |
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| 10:34.46 | c03_ | it's only 33mb |
| 10:35.19 | loesh | is there an easy way to install squeezy on a bnx2 machine? |
| 10:35.20 | Lagbolt | well c03 i know it is only 33MB, its not a matter of OMG where is it.. I just want to understand where it is being used and why it is not showing up |
| 10:35.30 | mhymn | Lagbolt: get a calculator/convertor and play with those numbers instead |
| 10:35.41 | chellomere | Lagbolt, reserved by your chipset for different reasons, I believe |
| 10:35.43 | loesh | meaning that the machine has a bnx2 NIC |
| 10:35.51 | torgrimt | loesh: install it without network, and dpk -i the bnx2 non-free deb |
| 10:35.54 | Lagbolt | play with numbers eh |
| 10:36.01 | torgrimt | loesh: thats what i think is easiest ;) |
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| 10:36.35 | Lagbolt | thanks chellomere, thats what i was thinking just was wondering if there was a way to track it down. |
| 10:36.40 | torgrimt | loesh: ofc you need to copy the debfile without network ofc. |
| 10:36.53 | loesh | torgrimt, ok, then it is as i suspected :) thanks ... |
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| 10:37.37 | kevix | !info firmware-bnx2 |
| 10:37.39 | dpkg | firmware-bnx2: (Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII), section non-free/kernel, is optional. Version: 0.18 (sid), Packaged size: 294 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
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| 10:39.19 | busbus | hi there |
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| 10:39.52 | c03_ | im off guys |
| 10:39.52 | c03_ | cya |
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| 10:43.04 | busbus | i have a huge problem with my microphone here. the soundcard itself runs fine with the snd_hda_intel kernel driver and builtin support for realtek alc chips. capture in alsa is set to mic, all volumes are turned up but the mic does not record the faintest whisper, the only thing you can hear is a silent noise. i tried to access the microphone using arecord, audacity and skype. i have no idea what else i could try, does anyone have a hint where t |
| 10:45.12 | kevix | in alasmixer, did you check all the settings? and make them the top volume? |
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| 10:45.18 | _andy | nope! |
| 10:45.20 | _andy | Still no luck! |
| 10:45.43 | _andy | kevix ? :( |
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| 10:46.08 | busbus | kevix: yes, raising the volumes to top volume only results in the noise getting louder |
| 10:46.11 | kevix | as in the 'capture' slider in alsamixer |
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| 10:47.25 | busbus | the capture slider? |
| 10:47.51 | busbus | ah sure.. no it's turned up |
| 10:48.04 | kevix | busbus: well each sound card presents different options for playback and capture |
| 10:49.03 | kevix | busbus: you can also enable/disable differnt recording devices |
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| 10:49.24 | chellomere | busbus, is this a digital mic? |
| 10:49.34 | busbus | tried that too, i have capture0, 1 and 2, but either combination doesnt work |
| 10:49.42 | busbus | i have a digital slider as well |
| 10:50.06 | busbus | probably yes |
| 10:50.44 | chellomere | busbus, raise it. and do you have Input Source settings? play with them. Oh, and if you have Mux sliders, turn them up. |
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| 10:51.37 | busbus | i raised the digital mic-> no result. as input sources i have mic and line, digital mic does not show up |
| 10:52.19 | chellomere | busbus, my laptop (dell xps m1330) has a digital mic and a snd_hda_intel chipset, and I remember that getting the internal mic to work with older kernels than what I have now (2.6.30) took quite some fiddling |
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| 10:52.54 | chellomere | busbus, my current settings: all capture sliders at 100%, first Input Source: Mic, second and third Input Source: Line |
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| 10:53.25 | chellomere | busbus, note that the Mux sliders are very important, if you have any |
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| 10:56.13 | chellomere | busbus, also, the available capture settings have changed slightly between kernel versions, so even if you had the identical hardware as me, you may not have the exact same sliders and toggles... |
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| 10:57.35 | kripz | how do i check if smartd is running and scanning disks? |
| 10:57.38 | busbus | i have no mux sliders, i just wonder if i try to read from the right device |
| 10:57.51 | _andy | kevix: Im back |
| 10:58.06 | _andy | kevix: Still no luck with the `X -configure` |
| 10:58.21 | _andy | It generated a new xorg.conf and I moved it to /etc/X11/ |
| 10:58.23 | _andy | Like I should |
| 10:58.37 | _andy | But uh, still didn't boot into a gnome login prompt |
| 10:58.40 | chellomere | busbus, I don't remember exactly how stuff was pre-2.6.30, but I remember that it took me a few hours to get it right ^^ |
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| 11:00.16 | busbus | thanks for your help.. i just found a bugreport that somehow resembles my hardware. i'll see what i can get from it |
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| 11:02.19 | _andy | Any help? ... |
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| 11:03.52 | jsm4 | Um... hi. |
| 11:03.52 | _andy | hi |
| 11:03.52 | jsm4 | Is Debian not a Linux distro? |
| 11:03.52 | jsm4 | I read some news about Debian using FreeBSD kernel. |
| 11:03.53 | _andy | No. |
| 11:03.53 | _andy | Debian is a Linux distro. |
| 11:04.08 | jsm4 | What's the deal with Debian apparently using the FreeBSD kernel? |
| 11:04.14 | jsm4 | Optionally, it seems. |
| 11:04.18 | kevix | debian intends to support any many kernels as possible |
| 11:04.34 | jsm4 | Um... |
| 11:04.38 | _andy | spots kevix |
| 11:04.40 | kevix | it has a herd kernel as well as a kfreebsd and linux |
| 11:04.41 | cretsiah | the only bsd thing ive seen is in the cups printing |
| 11:04.46 | _andy | Read up, man? ^ :"( |
| 11:04.49 | petemc | jsm4: its just that, an option - whats not to understand?~ |
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| 11:04.51 | lsd | hurd |
| 11:04.57 | jsm4 | Herd? Is that the GNU thing that never gets finished? |
| 11:05.01 | cretsiah | bye all |
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| 11:05.18 | kevix | at this moment, the next release will (hopefull) include a kfreebsd distro/kernel |
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| 11:05.51 | kevix | the herd support is not fully done yet, but a basic setup can be installed. |
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| 11:10.40 | jelly | hurd* |
| 11:12.22 | jelly | jsm4: the kfreebsd is a whole separate architecture, actually; kernel + all the packages built to work on it. One cannot merely replace the kernel, but do a (re)install. |
| 11:12.22 | kevix | www.debian.org/ports/hurd |
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| 11:14.05 | kevix | !hurd |
| 11:14.06 | dpkg | well, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 11:18.31 | bolt | oh, nevermind. found constantdeceleration |
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| 11:23.42 | ephracis | I am having trouble connecting to my xp machine from linux using ad-hoc. I can't see the network. I have googled for tutorials on how to create ad-hoc networks in xp but they never show up in linux when I scan.. I can see other networks, though. Please help. |
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| 11:24.47 | catsup_ | ephracis: iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc |
| 11:25.00 | fredl | I'm trying to load the dav_fs module into Apache. Proper method is to symlink /etc/apache2/mods-available/dav_fs.* to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ correct? |
| 11:25.25 | chellomere | ephracis, note that the (xp) driver and hardware needs to be able to support ad-hoc mode, otherwise that won't work (tm) |
| 11:25.25 | catsup_ | fredl: type a2enmod dav_fs |
| 11:25.25 | fredl | this is on Sid and I'm getting: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_fs.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so: undefined symbol: dav_buffer_append |
| 11:25.25 | chellomere | catsup_, other way around. |
| 11:25.25 | ephracis | catsup_ I tried that, didn't change anything. Still finds the other network but not the ad-hoc one. |
| 11:25.47 | catsup_ | ephracis: does it give an error message like say mode not supported |
| 11:25.49 | chellomere | ephracis, your linux network card should be in 'normal' Managed mode |
| 11:25.59 | fredl | ah okay tnx catsup, that actually does dependency checking it seems. |
| 11:26.02 | catsup_ | ephracis: presumably iwconfig output does not say your'e in ad-hoc mode? |
| 11:26.10 | catsup_ | chellomere: dude, wrong |
| 11:26.21 | ephracis | catsup_ yes it does.. :/ |
| 11:27.13 | chellomere | if I read him right, he's trying to set his xp computer's NIC into ad-hoc mode, and the connect to it from his linux machine? |
| 11:27.27 | catsup_ | ephracis: oh wait when you say 'find' do you mean like with iwlist? [you don't mean that i'ts actually connected] |
| 11:27.29 | sylar | can someone help with jabber? |
| 11:27.38 | catsup_ | chellomere: ad-hoc networks are all ad-hoc. yo Anonymous 10/12/09(Mon)06:05:26 No.166910231 |
| 11:27.42 | catsup_ | oops mispaste |
| 11:27.44 | ephracis | not connected, can't even see it when I scan with iwlist |
| 11:28.14 | catsup_ | chellomere: ad-hoc networks are all ad-hoc. it's either one master in AP mode, and a number of managed clients, or it's all ad-hoc |
| 11:28.24 | sylar | i get :bouncing a routed packet to from Internal Delivery Error |
| 11:28.28 | ephracis | I was wondering if I did something wrong in xp but all the guides I found when googling said pretty much the same, I just don't get why I can't see it from linux. |
| 11:28.45 | chellomere | catsup_, hmm. appears that you're correct. guess it was too long since I used ad-hoc mode. |
| 11:29.02 | catsup_ | ephracis: you do get a listing when you scan for networks from XP with the same card? |
| 11:29.03 | chellomere | ephracis, sorry, follow catsup_'s directions. |
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| 11:29.52 | ephracis | catsup_ when I scan from the xp machine I can find the ad-hoc net, when I scan from the linux machine it doesn't show up. |
| 11:29.54 | catsup_ | ephracis: some linux drivers are missing ad-hoc support even if the hardware supports it |
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| 11:30.06 | catsup_ | that could always be possible, but even those cards shoudl still list adhoc networks |
| 11:30.13 | catsup_ | no that's not what i mean |
| 11:30.17 | catsup_ | unless i misunderstand you |
| 11:30.40 | ephracis | what do you mean? |
| 11:31.06 | catsup_ | you have a total of two computers, right? we need to know whether the second computer [the XP one] is actually broadcasting itself and is available for the linux machine to find |
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| 11:31.24 | catsup_ | you can't check the XP machine itself to find that out |
| 11:31.33 | bubazoo | what is the command in vim to save a file?? |
| 11:31.38 | catsup_ | bubazoo: :w |
| 11:31.48 | bubazoo | it used to be :wq but apparently in debian it was changed |
| 11:31.52 | ephracis | yeah, exactly. but how do I confirm that the xp machine is setup correctly? |
| 11:31.52 | catsup_ | no it wasn't changed |
| 11:31.57 | catsup_ | :wq is write and quit |
| 11:31.58 | bubazoo | I tried :w it wouldn't work |
| 11:32.10 | catsup_ | do you understand that you have to be in command mode to type commands? |
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| 11:32.19 | bubazoo | it won't save the file, arrgh lol |
| 11:32.27 | catsup_ | did you specify an output file name? |
| 11:32.34 | bubazoo | yes catsup, I am im command line mode |
| 11:32.38 | catsup_ | ephracis: well it doesn't sound like it is |
| 11:32.40 | bubazoo | I'm in vim, |
| 11:32.51 | catsup_ | bubazoo: type ":w output.txt" |
| 11:33.10 | ephracis | catsup_ well then, is it possible to do it the other way around and still share internet connection from xp? |
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| 11:33.16 | karmatronic | hi |
| 11:33.16 | bubazoo | it keeps saying "readonly option is set |
| 11:33.35 | ephracis | catsup_ ie: I create ad-hoc net from linux, connect xp and then create ICS on xp. |
| 11:33.37 | catsup_ | ephracis: well tehre's no other way around really. you can set up your linux machine first, and then scan for it on xp |
| 11:33.38 | bubazoo | oh duh, I have to su in duh duh lol |
| 11:33.48 | catsup_ | oh i don't know about that ICS shit |
| 11:33.53 | catsup_ | but look that doesn't matter |
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| 11:34.00 | catsup_ | the first thing is just to get the wifi link |
| 11:34.09 | catsup_ | after that you can route things however you want |
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| 11:34.17 | ephracis | catsup_ ok, I'll try.. |
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| 11:36.01 | catsup_ | just set mode ad-hoc, essid whatever, and ifconfig 10.0.0.1 up, or whatever, then check if iwconfig assigned an AP, and if so, it should appear in XP |
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| 11:38.36 | bubazoo | does xfce have a GUI update utility? or do I have to use the command line apt? |
| 11:38.45 | karmatronic | apt |
| 11:38.48 | karmatronic | synaptic |
| 11:38.56 | bubazoo | oh ok thanks |
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| 11:39.31 | bubazoo | synaptic not found, hrm |
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| 11:39.37 | catsup_ | install it lol |
| 11:39.58 | bubazoo | catsup_ trying to figure out how lol |
| 11:40.00 | catsup_ | there are several other gui apt tools |
| 11:40.11 | catsup_ | 'aptitude install synaptic' |
| 11:40.14 | bubazoo | must be apt-get |
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| 11:40.23 | bubazoo | ahh aptitude ok |
| 11:40.24 | catsup_ | actually man you might just want to learn how to use aptitude |
| 11:40.27 | catsup_ | apt-get works fine too |
| 11:40.38 | ephracis | catsup_ I used network manager to create an ad-hoc net on linux, it seemed to work fine, but now it doesn't show up in xp. :/ |
| 11:40.42 | catsup_ | for the most part they do the same thing |
| 11:40.57 | catsup_ | but aptitude has a bit more functionality |
| 11:41.06 | karmatronic | bubazoo, aptitude handles better dependencies |
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| 11:41.35 | karmatronic | bubazoo, so use aptitude if you dont want to run in troubles later when upgrading |
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| 11:42.16 | bubazoo | ok thanks guys :) |
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| 11:45.28 | bubazoo | ran into a small issue booting into windows vista after installing Debian the other day, fixed the issue by booting from the Vista Install CD, something about a file missing, so I was like oh crap thinking the debian installer formatted my NTFS drive but it didn't, just a missing file, whew |
| 11:46.18 | karmatronic | bubazoo, sounds more like a win virus |
| 11:46.52 | bubazoo | could've been karmatronic, but the vista boot CD fixed the issue |
| 11:46.54 | karmatronic | bubazoo, the debian installer will only format your NTFS drive if you let him do so |
| 11:47.59 | bubazoo | well it was confusing karmatronic during the gui install what it was formatting |
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| 11:48.15 | karmatronic | :) |
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| 12:02.55 | EE_BB | hii All how can I find which usb wifi drives supported by etch ? |
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| 12:04.31 | nsadmin | start with a google search |
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| 12:06.32 | nsadmin | also try reading the etch release notes |
| 12:06.57 | Sergio` | I wanted to install *all* CLI packages to try them out but how do I distinguish the ones that are CLI from the ones that are GUI? Sometimes it's easy because of gtk+, qt, gnome, kde but is there a proper way of knowing that? |
| 12:07.24 | nsadmin | all? likely you can't install them all, some conflict |
| 12:08.05 | Sergio` | nsadmin: Just for learning and see the ones that I might use and the ones I don't care. Almost all then. |
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| 12:08.23 | nsadmin | try packages.debian.org |
| 12:09.06 | Sergio` | aptitude could have CLI and GUI categories, I think. |
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| 12:09.14 | Sergio` | I'll try, thanks. |
| 12:09.49 | nsadmin | also cli stuff won't depend on x client libs |
| 12:10.25 | Sergio` | Like libx11...? |
| 12:10.44 | nsadmin | probably |
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| 12:11.06 | nsadmin | but they were separated out into their individual sources |
| 12:11.40 | nsadmin | do you already know all cli programs you now have installed? |
| 12:12.09 | bolt | Can anyone explain the xorg.conf ExpectedRate option to me? I have a 1000hz gaming mouse, and the http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration page says ExpectedRate 10 is appropriate for 100Hz. Should my ExpectedRate then be 100? To match 1000Hz? |
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| 12:13.13 | Sergio` | No, just a bit. After installing as many as possible, I was going to use 'script', press TAB and with the list of commands in typescript, I was going to try them out one by one. |
| 12:14.10 | Sergio` | Okay, thanks. I'll do my best. |
| 12:14.12 | nsadmin | howbout ls /usr/bin |
| 12:14.26 | themill | Sergio`: categorisation is done via debtags: "debtags search interface::text-mode" |
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| 12:16.53 | cafaro | I'm trying to install Debian with raid0, using 2 80GB disks, my partions are /boot 500MB, /swap 2GB, / REST (ext3), but i get an error when installing LILO: error code 1, when running /sbin/lilo, any ideas? |
| 12:17.02 | themill | Sergio`: also "debtags search interface::shell". Note that these tags don't guarantee that the program isn't actually a gui program that also has a command-line mode embedded within it (so vim-gtk and xemacs are matching those searches) |
| 12:17.30 | Sergio` | Thanks. |
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| 12:17.51 | glasyalabolis | I have a problem with virtualbox. I am running stable and I have virtualbox and it's kernel module installed correctly and the kernel module is inserted. however I cannot start a session as a regular user because my user does not have write access to /dev/vboxdrv. the user is added to the virtualbox group and I have tried logging out of the user and logging back in. I set the group through the gui application. |
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| 12:18.47 | Titan8990 | glasyalabolis, grep vboxusers /etc/group |
| 12:18.51 | Titan8990 | verify |
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| 12:19.19 | glasyalabolis | vboxusers:x:114:ronald |
| 12:19.25 | glasyalabolis | ronald is the user. |
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| 12:22.33 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 12:23.16 | echosystm | hi guys, i'm comming from arch and im having a lot of trouble getting my head around sys v |
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| 12:23.32 | echosystm | can someone who has experience with such bsd inits give me a run down? |
| 12:23.48 | echosystm | all this run level stuff is a bit confusing |
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| 12:28.48 | jelly | echosystm: man init is somewhat instructive |
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| 12:30.38 | echosystm | jelly, jsut to get me up and running quickly |
| 12:30.43 | echosystm | how do i add/remove daemons? |
| 12:31.16 | echosystm | im a bit confused about the relatioship between /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*/ |
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| 12:32.17 | JPT | well |
| 12:32.39 | JPT | if you want to manually start or shutdown or restart a service, you use /etc/init.d/example stop and stuff |
| 12:32.49 | echosystm | yep, i get that part |
| 12:32.55 | echosystm | but what about boot up? |
| 12:32.59 | JPT | the rc* folders are stuff that will be automagially executed when changing the runlevels |
| 12:33.06 | Titan8990 | echosystm, /etc/init.d holds all the init scripts. When they are added to startup they are symlinked to rc.? |
| 12:33.16 | echosystm | i see |
| 12:33.18 | Titan8990 | echosystm, the tool for creating those links in update-rc.d in debian |
| 12:33.35 | echosystm | so i need to basically get rid of the symlink in the appropriate runlevel? |
| 12:33.41 | echosystm | to stop a daemon running on boot |
| 12:33.47 | Titan8990 | echosystm, for example, if we wanted to add networking to the default run level: # update-rc.d networking default |
| 12:33.57 | Titan8990 | echosystm, no, you need to use the tool i just told you about |
| 12:34.02 | echosystm | oh ok |
| 12:34.05 | Titan8990 | echosystm, man update-rc.d |
| 12:34.09 | echosystm | thanks |
| 12:34.18 | Titan8990 | echosystm, other distros will have their own methods |
| 12:34.25 | echosystm | just out of curiousity |
| 12:34.30 | echosystm | why use such a complicated system? |
| 12:34.35 | echosystm | what are the benefist |
| 12:34.48 | glasyalabolis | Titan8990: a reboot fixed my virtualbox issue. I suppose selecting Log out <user> from the menu wasn't enough. |
| 12:34.48 | mhymn | prefers rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:34.55 | Titan8990 | I don't find it complicated at all... |
| 12:35.07 | Titan8990 | glasyalabolis, good to hear you got it fixed |
| 12:35.19 | echosystm | well i mean, in arch you just have a single text file fore everything |
| 12:35.24 | Titan8990 | rc.conf? |
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| 12:35.30 | echosystm | yep |
| 12:35.41 | mhymn | echosystm: you should use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf if you think that's complicated |
| 12:35.42 | Titan8990 | thats how its done in the BSDs |
| 12:35.45 | jelly | echosystm: /etc/init.d contains scripts. By default, sysvinit in Debian makes the system "go" to runlevel 2 after some initial setting up, so all the scripts linked in /etc/rc2.d/ with an S??* name will get called with a "start" argument |
| 12:36.13 | echosystm | oke |
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| 12:38.09 | Knight_Lord | Does ionice affect the read calls or the disk access? Would it affect NFS access to a file for example? |
| 12:38.10 | tomi | hi |
| 12:38.40 | tomi | how to make own repository like oficial miror repository? |
| 12:39.59 | jelly | echosystm: why is it done this way? so you can easily reorder the services startup sequence (soon to be obsoleted by execution in parallel), and you can choose to have different sets of services (runlevels, tho Debian mostly has a single one for normal usage) And you don't have to edit files to disable/enable services, merely symlink them or not |
| 12:40.44 | mhymn | tomi: /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 12:42.24 | tomi | hm i don understand |
| 12:42.31 | tomi | don`t |
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| 12:44.08 | mhymn | !tell tomi -about own repo |
| 12:44.13 | mhymn | !tell tomi -about reprepo |
| 12:44.42 | mhymn | !tell tomi -about reprepro |
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| 12:47.18 | tomi | hm , what have to do ? |
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| 12:47.51 | mhymn | gives up |
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| 12:49.49 | tomi | sory |
| 12:50.06 | tomi | mh |
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| 12:50.57 | joltcan | tomi: http://tinyurl.com/yjklmh4 |
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| 12:52.09 | datenritter | i had to kill an installation process (lost ssh conn.) and now, everytime i want to install a package, aptitude wants to install all depedencies, no matter if they are already installed. i assume, i have lost my package list somehow? what can i do? should i start looking for the backup...? |
| 12:53.00 | themill | datenritter: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f install" |
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| 12:54.36 | datenritter | themill: i can't, i don't have a buffer anymore. (can't scroll up). btw: dpkg --get-selections returns 4 packages. (no kidding) |
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| 12:55.25 | datenritter | oh wait, i can |
| 12:56.23 | themill | not good. package states are backed up in /var/backups/ |
| 12:56.27 | datenritter | themill: http://pastebin.com/d70f36bbe |
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| 12:57.39 | datenritter | themill: i have aptitude.pkgstates.0 there. is that the last one? (i mean the backup) - should i restore from it? |
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| 12:58.43 | themill | datenritter: dpkg.status is actually the more important one (it's from /var/lib/dpkg/status). |
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| 13:00.02 | jimi_hendrix | i need to settle a bet with someone, i keep linking him the package for bzr 2.0 form the debian sid repo, but he says it is not meant for his system since he runs ubuntu...can someone confirm that the chances of anything going wrong are minimal |
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| 13:00.56 | datenritter | themill: ok, i will copy the two mentioned .0-files to /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/aptitude and see what happens |
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| 13:01.23 | themill | datenritter: may as well keep backups of the things that were there originally even if they do look like they're borked |
| 13:01.48 | themill | jimi_hendrix: we don't recommend mixing releases let along mixing distributions. It almost always ends in tears. |
| 13:02.42 | jimi_hendrix | i must be really lucky then :) |
| 13:02.52 | datenritter | jimi_hendrix: the chances are minimal, but they exist |
| 13:03.13 | bolt | Can anyone explain the xorg.conf ExpectedRate option to me? I have a 1000hz gaming mouse, and the http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration page says ExpectedRate 10 is appropriate for 100Hz. Should my ExpectedRate then be 100? To match 1000Hz? |
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| 13:03.58 | datenritter | themill: it seams to work fine now. thanx! |
| 13:04.01 | datenritter | seems |
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| 13:04.03 | themill | yay! |
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| 13:05.09 | themill | jimi_hendrix: it looks like bzr relies on python 2.5 and my understanding is that the upcoming (current?) release of ubuntu will only have python 2.6. That's going to stop the package from even installing. You'll find problems like that whenever you go any distance from helloworld.c |
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| 13:15.45 | echosystm | hey guys, quick question |
| 13:15.55 | echosystm | i dont want to start a flame war, but it might seem that way |
| 13:16.07 | echosystm | im trying to decide between debian and freebsd |
| 13:16.13 | echosystm | and there is one thing i dont get |
| 13:16.22 | echosystm | now, i understand debian freezes _everything_ |
| 13:16.29 | petemc | stop hitting enter so much |
| 13:17.04 | RichiH | echosystm: take debian/kfreebsd? :) |
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| 13:17.20 | RichiH | it's a freebsd kernel with debian userspace |
| 13:17.25 | echosystm | ok, sorry... so only security updates are applied do debian stable. my understanding is that freebsd is similar, except that the ports are basically continually updating? |
| 13:17.41 | echosystm | is this correct? |
| 13:17.46 | petemc | why not ask them? |
| 13:17.49 | RichiH | echosystm: other than that, people who are in here will probably prefer debian for obvious reasons ;) |
| 13:18.31 | echosystm | petemc, they get all arrogant and start screaming troll |
| 13:18.32 | RichiH | echosystm: both debian and freebsd have a stable and moving software repos |
| 13:18.36 | catsup_ | freebsd ports is nothing like debian |
| 13:19.00 | catsup_ | don't try to compare them, just go read about how they work |
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| 13:19.38 | echosystm | let me put it more simply... in debian stable everything is frozen right, what parts of freebsd are and arent frozen in the sense of debian stable? |
| 13:20.13 | catsup_ | do you have any experience with unix |
| 13:20.22 | Penix | wenas |
| 13:20.23 | echosystm | nope, only linux |
| 13:20.30 | catsup_ | um |
| 13:20.32 | mhymn | echosystm: are you asking a freebsd question in #debian? |
| 13:20.40 | catsup_ | because this isn't the stuff that's going to make the big difference |
| 13:20.41 | echosystm | well, we use solaris at university but basically just text editing |
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| 13:21.08 | catsup_ | what i mean is, are you trying to decide what to learn unix with |
| 13:21.12 | Penix | !sing sussudio |
| 13:21.13 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 13:21.14 | catsup_ | or what? |
| 13:21.53 | echosystm | i just want a nice OS to use |
| 13:22.05 | echosystm | i like arch, but i dont like that it is rolling release |
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| 13:22.08 | RichiH | echosystm: my suggestion is that you throw a coin, install the one which won and switch OS a few weeks or a month |
| 13:22.12 | RichiH | then compare :) |
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| 13:22.32 | echosystm | debian seems like the logical alternative, but i dont like that somet hings are done automatically |
| 13:22.53 | catsup_ | frankly freebsd is giong to be a lot more work to administer, that's the #1 difference |
| 13:23.04 | echosystm | yeah it would seem that way |
| 13:23.31 | catsup_ | what things |
| 13:23.40 | catsup_ | debian won't do anything automatically unless you configure it to |
| 13:24.02 | echosystm | i mean for example, if i install samba, it will automatically run it at boot up etc. |
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| 13:24.23 | echosystm | and also it just seems like a lot more packages get installed by default with debian |
| 13:24.24 | petemc | echosystm: you can configure that not to happen |
| 13:24.27 | RichiH | catsup_: not entirely true. aptitude will install Recommends automagically |
| 13:24.35 | RichiH | but other than that, yes |
| 13:24.36 | catsup_ | you can configure it not to automatically run newly installed services |
| 13:24.50 | petemc | echosystm: the debian base isnt large, if you choose not to install other packages they wont be installed |
| 13:25.09 | catsup_ | RichiH: um, you can also configure that, although it does not do that automatically; it does it when you type aptitude install |
| 13:25.10 | echosystm | using arch, i kind of got in the habbit of installing the bare minimum, purely because updates are scary lol |
| 13:25.15 | hark | catsup_: how do you do that? |
| 13:25.20 | echosystm | perhaps this is not necessary with debian |
| 13:25.38 | RichiH | catsup_: that's what i meant. it will do so by default, apt-get does not |
| 13:26.06 | catsup_ | hark: by overriding invoke-rc.d |
| 13:26.25 | catsup_ | hark: you can create a file /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 13:26.45 | catsup_ | hark: just don't ask me what to put in it :p |
| 13:27.36 | catsup_ | /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
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| 13:28.09 | echosystm | ok so, basically i need to learn debian better before i decide not to use it :P |
| 13:28.19 | themill | catsup_: "exit 101" if you're feeling perverse |
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| 13:28.33 | catsup_ | themill: there you go =D |
| 13:29.13 | RichiH | echosystm: i have been running unstable on all my desktop & laptop machines for years now. i am upgrading daily or every six months, depending on how i feel about it. sometimes, i just pull a few packages up to current, sometimes everything. i regularly install packages from experimental -- barring HDD failures and new installs, i _never_ had to redo an installation |
| 13:29.28 | RichiH | echosystm: so yes, the upgrade mechanism in Debian _works_ |
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| 13:30.02 | catsup_ | well things break all the time on upgrades to unstable |
| 13:30.04 | RichiH | and it has been years since the last major breakage in unstable which would have required fancy stuff to fix it |
| 13:30.16 | RichiH | catsup_: not here |
| 13:30.17 | abrotman | echosystm: you really should not use unstable if you're not familiar with Debian, use stable or testing |
| 13:30.18 | themill | :sidsmite RichiH |
| 13:30.30 | echosystm | abrotman, i never intended to use anything but stable |
| 13:30.35 | RichiH | unless you count the fact that kde3 has been replaced by kde4 ;) |
| 13:30.44 | themill | RichiH: wrong bot... /msg dpkg sidsmite me |
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| 13:30.48 | RichiH | that qould qualify as breaking, i guess :p |
| 13:30.48 | echosystm | there is only 2 packages in stable that i would need to compile myself |
| 13:30.48 | abrotman | echosystm: and i hope someone pointed you at backports.org ? |
| 13:31.02 | echosystm | the rest i am ok with |
| 13:31.20 | RichiH | themill: i was not suggesting he use it. i just wanted to tell him that debian's upgrades tend to work really really well |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | echosystm: which are ? |
| 13:31.36 | catsup_ | the upgrades work, but the software that gets installed often doesn't |
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| 13:31.44 | echosystm | tint2 (doesnt exist in repo), eclipse (very out-dated) |
| 13:31.52 | hark | catsup_: thanks, got it |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | does eclipse actually compile? :) |
| 13:31.59 | echosystm | though eclipse is a non-issue, since it doesnt even need to be compiled |
| 13:31.59 | echosystm | no |
| 13:32.00 | echosystm | lol |
| 13:32.26 | abrotman | echosystm: and tint2 is in squeeze/sid |
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| 13:32.28 | echosystm | so yeah, pretty much just tint2 |
| 13:32.47 | hark | echosystm: tint2 is in debian |
| 13:32.47 | RichiH | echosystm: i would seriously consider unsing testing |
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| 13:32.47 | RichiH | or you install stuff from backports |
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| 13:33.07 | echosystm | is it safe to mix stable with squeeze/sid for a single package? |
| 13:33.12 | abrotman | no |
| 13:33.15 | echosystm | or are you better off just compiling it yourself |
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| 13:33.22 | abrotman | !tell echosystm about bpo |
| 13:33.25 | abrotman | !tell echosystm about ssb |
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| 13:34.18 | catsup_ | technically there are two separate questions: is it safe, and should i do it anyway? |
| 13:34.26 | echosystm | tint2 is not in backports abrotman |
| 13:34.38 | catsup_ | backport it yourself |
| 13:34.38 | abrotman | echosystm: read the other one .. about making your own |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | catsup_: no and no :) |
| 13:35.07 | mhymn | tint2 is very easy to compile btw. |
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| 13:35.24 | echosystm | yeah ive done it before mhymn |
| 13:35.38 | FragtioN | What script is run when an openvpn interface goes up? I have a client-server tunnel going (tun0), I've adding it to an executable shell script in /etc/network/if-up.d/, but when the interface goes up, the script isnt run (iptables MASQUERADING). am I missing something? |
| 13:35.57 | echosystm | so it is better to use sources from unstable debian than from the actual developer sources abrotman? |
| 13:35.57 | FragtioN | running lenny |
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| 13:37.09 | abrotman | echosystm: they've been patched to work with debian .. so possibly .. it's worth a shot and then at least the software is managed by the system instead of make? |
| 13:37.10 | catsup_ | FragtioN: those scripts are run when ifup puts an interface up, is that what's happening? |
| 13:37.31 | echosystm | ok then, thanks |
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| 13:38.32 | catsup_ | echosystm: did you see uupdate |
| 13:40.13 | joltcan | FragtioN: I think you might want to do that in the openvpn config instead |
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| 13:43.28 | echosystm | uupdate catsup_? |
| 13:43.40 | catsup_ | !uupdate |
| 13:43.41 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz |
| 13:44.21 | echosystm | hmm |
| 13:44.25 | echosystm | cool |
| 13:44.29 | echosystm | thanks for that |
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| 13:54.17 | datenritter | intalling drupal6 and postgresql-8.4 on the same host, i get: "ERROR: new encoding (UTF8) is incompatible with the encoding of the template database (SQL_ASCII) TIP: Use the same encoding as in the template database, or use template0 as template." so, drupal cannot be configured. :( any ideas? |
| 13:56.12 | FragtioN | joltcan: ok will check it out, thx =) |
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| 13:59.59 | HTT-Bird | hey all...on my box (Debian Squeeze), I want to take the upgrade from (held) Mesa 7.0.3 to Mesa 7.6 |
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| 14:02.42 | HTT-Bird | I've already updated a couple of the packages (mesa-utils, libglu1-mesa*) to 7.6 |
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| 14:03.58 | HTT-Bird | however, when I try to upgrade libgl1-mesa-{dri, glx}, aptitude wants to remove a whole bunch of X packages, including xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 14:04.18 | HTT-Bird | (which is obviously wrong, because I have Intel graphics on this box) |
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| 14:07.40 | echosystm | is qtcurve the only theme that is identical on qt and gtk ? |
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| 14:13.38 | HTT-Bird | ok, never mind, I worked through it in aptitude and all seems well so far |
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| 14:18.26 | Downer | um.. has aptitude gone mad.. it says i have 9 installed packages, the rest are listed as obsolete/locally created... whats up with that? |
| 14:19.11 | azeem | Downer: did you remove the default apt line from sources.list? |
| 14:19.17 | themill | Downer: you presumably have no mirrors listed in your sources.list that provide all the packages you have installed |
| 14:19.27 | glasyalabolis | is removing a file from /etc/modprobe.d/ the safe and correct way to stop that module from being loaded at bootup? |
| 14:19.28 | hark | Downer: run an update again |
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| 14:19.51 | hark | glasyalabolis: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:20.46 | glasyalabolis | hark: thanks |
| 14:20.47 | Downer | i havnt changed anything in my sources.list |
| 14:20.57 | Downer | updating again gives no change |
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| 14:21.40 | themill | Downer: can you pastebin the entire output of "aptitude update"? |
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| 14:22.41 | Downer | one sec |
| 14:22.49 | themill | !pastebin |
| 14:22.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 14:23.08 | Andorin | Hey, does anyone know a terminal command for GNOME that will show the desktop? I'd love to make my own keyboard shortcut (Super+d) that does this. |
| 14:23.30 | abrotman | Andorin: for which distro? |
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| 14:23.44 | Andorin | abrotman: Debian 5.0.3 |
| 14:24.09 | hark | Andorin: you could use something like wmctrl for that |
| 14:24.27 | themill | Surely gnome already has that as a shortcut that you can assign? KDE certainly does. |
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| 14:25.00 | Andorin | It has Ctrl+Alt+D built in by default. |
| 14:25.06 | Downer | http://paste.debian.net/48861/ |
| 14:25.39 | Andorin | I'd like to change it to Super+d because the Win key is my "shortcut key" in Linux (gotta use it somehow) and the regular keyboard shortcuts menu registers super as its own key, rather than a modifier. |
| 14:25.50 | Penix | Andorin: gconf-editor |
| 14:26.01 | Andorin | Yup, that's how I want to do it. |
| 14:26.08 | Penix | Andorin: '<Super>d' |
| 14:26.12 | Penix | IIRC |
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| 14:26.28 | Andorin | However, to assign a keybinding shortcut, I need a terminal command. Unless someone knows another way to do it. |
| 14:26.41 | Penix | ah |
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| 14:27.13 | themill | Downer: are you trying to use lenny or squeeze here? |
| 14:27.33 | Downer | squeeze |
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| 14:28.46 | themill | Downer: you may as well comment out all the lines for lenny in that case as they will only serve to confuse the situation (but are not the problem right now). |
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| 14:29.35 | Penix | Andorin: wmctrl does seem like you're only option though. the 'show desktop' feature is probably some internal window/file manager thing |
| 14:29.40 | glasyalabolis | is there a log file that has all the messages displayed at bootup? |
| 14:29.41 | Penix | your rather |
| 14:29.42 | Downer | themill: the volatile.debian.org ones? |
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| 14:30.01 | themill | Downer: yes |
| 14:30.14 | Andorin | Penix: Would you happen to know the option for wmctrl that minimizes all windows? I installed it and just looked through its instructions and didn't see a command that would do that. |
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| 14:30.23 | Downer | themill: ok |
| 14:31.21 | Downer | uh-oh, now that i updated, the installed packages went down to 8 :P |
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| 14:31.45 | hark | Andorin: -k (man wmctrl) |
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| 14:33.04 | Andorin | hark: Aha! Thanks. (I didn't think that option would actually minimize all windows.) |
| 14:33.22 | hark | glasyalabolis: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 14:33.48 | \amethyst | Andorin: it's not quite the same as minimizing all windows |
| 14:33.58 | glasyalabolis | hark: thanks again |
| 14:33.58 | themill | Downer: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~o -F"%p %20v %20V" |
| 14:34.09 | Andorin | Well, what I really care about is showing the desktop. |
| 14:34.10 | \amethyst | Andorin: because doing anything with any of the windows restores them all |
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| 14:35.53 | hark | \amethyst: does metacity have a minimize all windows option? |
| 14:36.20 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.20 | _2 | ERROR: Communication problem with yakuake, it probably crashed. |
| 14:36.29 | hark | it's like win+d and win+m of explorer |
| 14:36.31 | Downer | themill: thats like 800 lines |
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| 14:36.52 | Downer | 892 actually |
| 14:37.01 | _2 | that is all i have gotten out of yakuake sense i reloaded this etch |
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| 14:37.40 | themill | Downer: yes, one for each package that's "obsolete". You can pipe the output of "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" if you have netcat installed. |
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| 14:37.42 | hark | Downer: you don't upgrade regularly? |
| 14:38.08 | hark | Downer: nm |
| 14:38.48 | Downer | hark: yeah i do, sort of. i did it today. havnt done it in a few weeks because of some conflicts that i've been to busy to resolve |
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| 14:41.42 | Downer | themill: um..? :) |
| 14:42.15 | hark | Downer: yes, anyway that should not affect what you are getting :) |
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| 14:43.49 | Downer | themill: http://downer.serveftp.com/saker/dump2.txt |
| 14:44.08 | Downer | apparantly it was too big for paste.debian.org |
| 14:44.30 | Downer | by a whopping 2k. :P |
| 14:44.47 | Sergio` | I wanted to force myself to sleep at midnight, is there a way to specify the hours I can use my shell? |
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| 14:45.29 | petemc | aptitude install self-discipline |
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| 14:46.05 | thorn3r3r | or aptitude install deny-coffeine |
| 14:46.30 | Sergio` | I'm serious. |
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| 14:47.23 | Sergio` | Nevermind. |
| 14:47.44 | themill | Sergio`: you could combine "at" and "slay" or "iptables".... can't say it's that recommended though |
| 14:48.33 | themill | Downer: is your main mirror stuffed? Perhaps try another (official) mirror nearby. |
| 14:48.34 | thorn3r3r | sergio maybe play around with PAM: http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1055269.html |
| 14:48.58 | Sergio` | themill: I was thinking about something that logs me off and does not allow me to login again, except between 9h00 and 0h00. |
| 14:49.09 | tilen | hi i have some problem with debian 5 when i install distro i get this message 8139cp 0000:03:08.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip, i know this i just bug its anyway to fix it without blacklisted 8139*. thank you for answers |
| 14:49.11 | loesh | i might be a bit lost but am i correct that there is no xen kernel for squeezy? and in that case how do i run xen? |
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| 14:50.43 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 14:50.45 | judd | Titan8990: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-686 -- lenny-security: 2.6.26-13lenny2 |
| 14:50.51 | Titan8990 | loesh, compile your own |
| 14:50.59 | catsup_ | Sergio`: run a screen locking program with 'at' |
| 14:51.14 | Sergio` | I'll try, thanks. |
| 14:51.16 | jelly | tilen: since that pci-id covers many devices, some use 8139cp and some 8139too driver, it really cannot be fixed in a simple way |
| 14:51.26 | catsup_ | Sergio`: vlock is probably what you want |
| 14:51.28 | loesh | Titan8990, ok, i was kinda hoping that i would not have to do that :/ |
| 14:51.46 | jelly | tilen: if the correct driver gets loaded in the end and the card works, just ignore that line |
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| 14:51.48 | Titan8990 | loesh, you could run lenny or choose a different virtualization solution |
| 14:51.55 | catsup_ | Sergio`: you'll have to do something special to make it not accept your password, and then use another cron job to kill it |
| 14:52.12 | tilen | jelly: card work correct so ok i will ignore thank for answer :) |
| 14:52.14 | loesh | yea, i kinad need xen 3.4 though :/ and afaik lenny includes 3.2 or something? |
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| 14:52.34 | loesh | is xen being moved out of debian? or just not yet present in squeezy? |
| 14:52.42 | Titan8990 | loesh, you could try to source build a new version, not sure how well it will work in the case of xen |
| 14:52.50 | Sergio` | catsup_: maybe a cronjob with passwd -l user at 0h00 and passwd -u user at 9h00. |
| 14:52.58 | Sergio` | Thanks. |
| 14:53.16 | catsup_ | yeah well you'd have to do root actually |
| 14:53.16 | loesh | Titan8990, ok, i will look in to the alternatives, just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything... |
| 14:53.19 | Downer | themill: thanks, that solved it! |
| 14:53.24 | catsup_ | i think. if you want to lock all the virtual consoles |
| 14:53.53 | themill | Downer: excellent |
| 14:53.54 | Sergio` | I'll look vlock and how to use it. |
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| 14:54.34 | catsup_ | Sergio`: nm, i just checked, you don't have to be |
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| 15:02.06 | EE_BB | I installed lenyy and have 2.6.26-11kernel I have pluged usb linksys wusb54gc has RTL8187B chipset I can see linksys in lsusb output but iwconfig doesnt show anything |
| 15:02.17 | RichiH | can i just edit stuff in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat or will that mess with some secret md5sum, somewhere? |
| 15:02.44 | EE_BB | did modprobe rtl8187 |
| 15:03.29 | RichiH | do you need firmware? |
| 15:03.31 | themill | !RTL8187B |
| 15:03.32 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 15:03.37 | RichiH | look at dmesg output, etc |
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| 15:05.32 | cafaro | I'm trying to install debian with RAID, but i can't seem to be adding more than 1 partition to my raid device, without having to make use of LVM. Anyone could help me with this? I'm using Debian 5.0.3 netinst. |
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| 15:07.30 | helo | did you go to "configure raid devices" after you create the partitions for it? |
| 15:07.49 | jelly | cafaro: the old-fashioned way of doing this is to create as many raid devices as you have filesystems |
| 15:08.07 | cafaro | helo: no |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | cafaro: the new-ish way -- you can actually create partitions on md devices now, so you can put whole disks as md members. I don't know if lenny installer supports this. |
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| 15:09.50 | cafaro | jelly: not sure, let me try the old-fashioned way |
| 15:10.02 | jure | where's /etc/X11/xorg.conf on debian testing?? |
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| 15:10.36 | themill | jure: /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
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| 15:12.49 | rvalles | !rtl8187se |
| 15:12.49 | dpkg | The RTL8187SE is an IEEE 802.11b/g single-chip WLAN IC (with PCI Express interface) manufactured by Realtek. Not supported by the <rtl-wifi> rtl8187 driver at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8187se) available in mainline kernels from 2.6.29-rc1, installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x#rtl8187se . Driver is experimental: expect latency, performance and stability issues. |
| 15:13.14 | d1b | experimental :) |
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| 15:16.31 | jure | iceape doesn't exist anymore? |
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| 15:17.11 | themill | !iceape lenny |
| 15:17.12 | dpkg | Iceape, the unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey for Debian is not in Lenny. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-information.html#mozilla-security and http://bugs.debian.org/511477 |
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| 15:22.27 | themill | dpkg, iceape squeeze is <reply> Iceape, the unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey for Debian is not in Squeeze as it is currently unfit for release. This is expected to change with the release of iceape 2.0 which will use xulrunner and thus reduce the difficulty of providing security support for iceape. See http://bugs.debian.org/538704 |
| 15:22.27 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 15:24.55 | pren0x | hi, has somebody use win 7 and debian on one pc? with dualboot |
| 15:25.06 | pren0x | does it work? |
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| 15:26.50 | jure | !windows |
| 15:26.50 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 15:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong factoid |
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| 15:28.29 | samferry | if CafePress didn't want to charge ~$25 for a shirt, I'd grab myself a Debian T-Shirt |
| 15:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use 7 and debian with dual-boot on one pc? |
| 15:28.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses 7 and debian with dual-boot on one pc, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:28.56 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 15:28.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
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| 15:29.15 | samferry | win |
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| 15:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | my, it's nice that alpine is under a free licens, but hell, it's so slow compared to pine |
| 15:33.58 | jogla | but linus torvalds uses alpine!!!! |
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| 15:35.36 | cahoot | not outlook? |
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| 15:40.44 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: [anyone] yes. |
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| 15:40.47 | gui____ | hi |
| 15:40.48 | gui____ | when I just change the partition table with fdisk for example, what do I need to do before to use the new partitions ? (I hope to not restart the computer of course) |
| 15:40.50 | jelly | and XP too. |
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| 15:42.35 | jelly | pren0x: grub-pc + os-prober in debian squeeze are able to find windows 7's boot loader and make an entry for it. |
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| 15:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly ? |
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| 15:43.34 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: you made an !anyone a while before. |
| 15:43.35 | pren0x | jelly: i just want to know, if it works. but what u say, it seems so... thx |
| 15:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 15:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, some pren0x asked that |
| 15:44.20 | gui____ | do I need to restart the computer every time I use fdisk on partitions before to use them ? |
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| 15:44.37 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: you asked it as well, so you were highlighted. |
| 15:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, he does? |
| 15:45.57 | jelly | jogla: that guy thinks Linux is bloated, don't mind him. |
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| 15:46.52 | beardy | gui____: No, you just need to mount them again.. |
| 15:47.03 | gui____ | http://pastebin.com/m3ab12f03 |
| 15:47.10 | gui____ | please watch this, that's my problem |
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| 15:48.37 | beardy | gui____: What exactly is the problem? |
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| 15:49.09 | gui____ | I destroy and create one big new partition on a disk |
| 15:49.18 | xyan | gui____: install parted and run partprobe |
| 15:49.24 | gui____ | right now, I can't see the good node in /dev ! |
| 15:49.35 | beardy | gui____: Yes. So you have some nodes left over? |
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| 15:49.45 | gui____ | beardy, yes perhaps no idea |
| 15:49.56 | beardy | gui____: Ah.. I see what you mean now though.. |
| 15:49.59 | gui____ | I don't know how to dynamic nodes are created in debian system |
| 15:50.29 | beardy | gui____: They are created with udev. The details I'm not an expert on either. |
| 15:50.35 | gui____ | ok |
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| 15:50.52 | gui____ | but if I create the node there will be no size problems with clusters on the drive? |
| 15:51.18 | gui____ | I had seen this problem in the past |
| 15:51.37 | gui____ | I change the size of partitions, the names was always the same but the size of clusters remain different |
| 15:51.38 | beardy | gui____: IMO this is a valid reason for a reboot.. |
| 15:51.46 | gui____ | yes for sure ... |
| 15:51.47 | Sergio` | catsup_: thanks, it's working like a charm. I needed another kind of lock, that locks all keyboard input for 5 minutes every hour. This would force me to make a type break, anything I could use for that? |
| 15:52.03 | xyan | gui____: damn, install parted and run partprobe |
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| 15:52.06 | gui____ | but I want to know if today OS can do this without reboot and why ? |
| 15:52.20 | gui____ | xyan, it's done |
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| 15:53.32 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: He does. |
| 15:53.45 | Sergio` | Nevermind, I think I can do it with vlock too. |
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| 15:54.06 | gui____ | xyan, http://pastebin.com/m55e0158e |
| 15:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, does he also complain it's slow? |
| 15:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
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| 15:54.17 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(e-mail_client) |
| 15:54.18 | gui____ | new infos ... but I don't understand what happens ! |
| 15:54.26 | gasull | Hi. I can't play the video in the middle of this page: http://renegadeeconomist.com/headline/renegade-economist-talks-trucks-pakistan.html Also, I can't play my voicemail in Google Voice. How can I find what's wrong? Thank you |
| 15:54.51 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: He has plenty of time, because git is so fast :) |
| 15:54.59 | xyan | gui____: did you delete mounted partitions maybe? |
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| 15:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, perhaps I should add muself to that list :-P |
| 15:55.39 | gui____ | xyan, I guess yes cause gparted doesn't handle lvm systems and I forget to remove volumes from lvm before |
| 15:55.53 | xyan | gui____: fuser or lsof /dev/sdc* will tell you whats accessing it, figure that out |
| 15:56.02 | gui____ | ok |
| 15:56.06 | xyan | gui____: kill the processes (dirty) |
| 15:56.10 | gasull | Should I ask my question in another channel? |
| 15:56.12 | xyan | gui____: i'd reboot though |
| 15:56.17 | matt7676 | What are the most popular CLI IRC clients? |
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| 15:56.21 | gui____ | :) |
| 15:56.25 | jogla | CutMeOwnThroat: But as stated in the article, the header confirms this: |
| 15:56.39 | jogla | e.g. 12 Jan 2009, Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) |
| 15:56.42 | gui____ | ok for this problem of nodes and udev |
| 15:56.47 | jogla | on <git@vger.kernel.org> |
| 15:56.48 | sway_ | gasull: do those things you're having problems with use java to run? |
| 15:56.49 | gui____ | and about my next question |
| 15:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jogla, headers from my mails would also confirm that I'm using it! |
| 15:57.03 | gui____ | is there any others good reasons to reboot ? |
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| 15:57.16 | jogla | Ah, right |
| 15:57.19 | xyan | gui____: normally partprobe works like a charm and the new device nodes will be accessable.. you faild in having a partition in use so its borked for you right now |
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| 15:57.23 | beardy | matt7676: irssi, ircII, erc, I guess. |
| 15:57.27 | jogla | I still don't know why anyone would want imap. |
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| 15:57.36 | jogla | You have too much computers. |
| 15:57.36 | xyan | gui____: you usually should reboot after upgrading glibc ;) |
| 15:57.49 | gui____ | xyan, true |
| 15:58.12 | gui____ | thank you ;) |
| 15:58.12 | gasull | sway_: no, just flash |
| 15:58.25 | xyan | gui____: or if you should feel the need of running a memtest, or want to plug in non hotpluggable devices |
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| 16:01.15 | sway_ | gasull: some generous people put together a factoid bot named dpkg. it's pretty cool. /msg dpkg flash |
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| 16:03.51 | jure | i'm having trouble configuring synaptics touchpad via hal/fdi - synclient says shmconfig is turned off, but i set it on in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/synaptics.fdi |
| 16:04.36 | jelly | !blame hal |
| 16:04.36 | dpkg | blames poncha|work and hal for the end of culture as we know it |
| 16:05.04 | jure | join #hal |
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| 16:05.52 | themill | jure: istr reading that shmconfig is no longer used now that hal-based configuration replaces it. |
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| 16:06.39 | jure | problem is, vertical edge scrolling doesn't work, so i need to manually configure it |
| 16:06.47 | fred1_ | Is there a way, from the cli, to request that apt lookup and display the repo url for a given package |
| 16:07.11 | hark | fred1_: apt-cache policy foo |
| 16:07.34 | fred1_ | hrm |
| 16:07.39 | fred1_ | ok, fo wget, I get: |
| 16:07.49 | fred1_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.00 | themill | fred1_: /msg dpkg apt-zip ; look at --print-uris in man apt-get |
| 16:08.02 | hark | jure: pastebin your xorg log, conf, hal policy and relevant lshal output |
| 16:08.15 | fred1_ | so is the full url to download, http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main... ok one sec.. |
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| 16:08.53 | hark | fred1_: apt-get and print-uris |
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| 16:11.03 | fred1_ | hrm.. how would I do this for an already installed package? |
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| 16:11.52 | xyan | fredl: apt-cache policy <pkg> to figure out the mirror and Filename: from apt-cache show <pkg> for the path |
| 16:11.59 | matt7676 | beardy: ok, thanks! |
| 16:12.03 | themill | fred1_: --reinstall |
| 16:12.04 | xyan | s/mirror/repo |
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| 16:12.14 | fred1_ | themill, ah thats what I was looking for, I think |
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| 16:13.28 | `lazy | does grup regonice win 7 ? |
| 16:13.28 | drw | how to block u95 ? |
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| 16:18.23 | compy | hello, is there any way to "reinstall all packages and regenerate all caches" using aptitude? I've messed up my system, just finished restoring some parts of /bin and /lib from an old backup, but I need apt/aptitude to rewrite those binaries and libraries, to get them updated. the /var directory wasn't affected, so any package system metadata should be fine |
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| 16:19.13 | compy | I can shift-L individual package in aptitude and it works fine, however when I try to shift-L (reinstall) two specific packages (like debconf and debconf-i18n), I get something like "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debconf-i18n" |
| 16:19.18 | themill | !reomsta;; |
| 16:19.22 | themill | !reinstall |
| 16:19.23 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 16:19.58 | abrotman | !remap themill's keyboard |
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| 16:20.12 | themill | abrotman: hehe... just move my right hand one key to the left :) |
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| 16:21.27 | compy | themill: well I don't think it will have a problem reinstalling individual packages, just the cache is somewhat broken by confused aptitude, so it can't resolve dependencies correctly or something like that (hence the internal error) |
| 16:21.44 | newdivide | i installed lenny today, dual boot with xp, i have a fat32 logical partition, i want to use it for files shared by boots xp and linux, but i can't mount it, can anybody help? :\ |
| 16:22.03 | newdivide | "boots" was "both", sorry |
| 16:22.13 | compy | aptitude is in /usr/bin/, which wasn't affected, so the binary isn't outdated |
| 16:23.20 | matt7777 | newdivide: 'mkdir /media/fat_partition' 'mount -t vfrat /dev/sdxY /media/fat_partition' |
| 16:23.58 | compy | though '~i' looks promising, I just need to remove all custom packages |
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| 16:24.33 | newdivide | matt7777: i can't see the drive in /media |
| 16:25.05 | matt7777 | newdivide: what do you see using 'fdisk -l' |
| 16:25.08 | matt7777 | ? |
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| 16:26.32 | aidan | when my server says "give root password for maintenance, and ctrl-d to continue", is it safe to hard-off? |
| 16:26.43 | newdivide | matt7777: my mistake, it seems like it works now :) |
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| 16:27.29 | matt7777 | newdivide: ok, cool :) |
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| 16:27.44 | compy | well, aptitude reinstall '~i' fails as well .. with E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash |
| 16:28.00 | newdivide | does problems occur while using a fat32 partition with both win and linux? |
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| 16:28.04 | RS-232 | Hi all |
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| 16:28.08 | cusco | hi |
| 16:28.17 | cusco | I am connected to a network trough cable |
| 16:28.27 | cusco | and sometimes wireless connects automatically |
| 16:28.27 | chellomere | congratulations! |
| 16:28.34 | cusco | thank you chellomere |
| 16:28.50 | cusco | now, why both my interfaces, wired and wireless reply with the same mac address' |
| 16:28.51 | cusco | ? |
| 16:29.08 | RS-232 | I am trying to install Debian in a DUAL CORE Laptop, it doesnt want to continue saying> "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU, Unable to boot?" |
| 16:29.09 | dekatch | Hello debian, i got a problem and dont know how to fix! ive installed windows yesterday and my grub bootloader is/was overwritten! i tried to install linux and i saw that my whole partitions are gone! But there are partitions. but debian partitionmanager dont show them and debian wont let me exclude existing partitions! |
| 16:29.10 | RS-232 | ? |
| 16:29.21 | chellomere | cusco, uh, that's a good question. ifconfig shows the same mac address for both? |
| 16:29.33 | cusco | chellomere: no |
| 16:29.44 | cusco | RS-232: a dual core doens't mean it uses em64t |
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| 16:30.14 | cusco | RS-232: check your processor at wikipedia and see if it is em64t (64bits) - anyway you need a 32 bit version of debian - i386 |
| 16:30.44 | RS-232 | WHAT A CRAP |
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| 16:30.59 | cusco | RS-232: your cpu is crap, get a new one |
| 16:31.03 | jure | hark: http://pastebin.com/d2e7acad9 |
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| 16:32.27 | dekatch | no one there who can tell me how to prepare debian partitionmanager so that debian knows there are partitions? |
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| 16:33.28 | dekatch | i need to reinstall all i guess ! That's stupid! |
| 16:33.48 | macrobat | dekatch: test-disk on sysresccd can find partitions |
| 16:33.57 | dekatch | My hd has at least for sure 4 partitions but debian says there is no partition |
| 16:34.03 | macrobat | http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 16:34.26 | cusco | chellomere: no more funny jokes? |
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| 16:34.54 | macrobat | partition table is written to the mbr and windows has overwritten the mbr, testdisk can fix it |
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| 16:35.11 | chellomere | cusco, why do you think they use the same mac address then? |
| 16:35.16 | dekatch | ah, thats sound hopefully |
| 16:35.27 | cusco | chellomere: I can see them on the ARP table dooh |
| 16:35.46 | macrobat | dekatch: is it ext3 filesystem? |
| 16:35.47 | chellomere | cusco, in any case, check /etc/network/interfaces for whether the wlan interface is configure to connect automatically. |
| 16:35.48 | cusco | or a simple NMAP to both adrresses, this computer wired and wireless will report the same MAC |
| 16:36.08 | cusco | chellomere: I don't have a problem with it connecting automatically |
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| 16:36.22 | dekatch | macrobat, i have: 2 ntfs partitions, 1 swap partition 1 ext3 partition and one fat32 on my hd |
| 16:36.30 | chellomere | cusco, ah |
| 16:36.32 | cusco | I have a problem with the wireless interface replying with the same MAC as the wired interface |
| 16:36.43 | chellomere | cusco, sorry, no idea |
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| 16:36.47 | cusco | that simply makes no sense |
| 16:37.31 | panfist | i am trying to install debian onto a system with an amd 780g motherboard, and SATA hard drive connected over AHCI. near the beginning of the installtion process I get a message that the cdrom couldn't be mounted and i can't continue. if i couldn't be mounted...how did i even start the installation process? |
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| 16:37.56 | fred1_ | booting from cd != mounting cd in os |
| 16:37.57 | macrobat | dekatch: later, to backup your mbr if your disk is called /dev/sda: "dd if=/dev/sda of=backup.mbr base=512 count=1" |
| 16:38.07 | fred1_ | panfist, how is your cdrom connected? |
| 16:38.12 | panfist | IDE |
| 16:38.13 | aidan | when my server says "give root password for maintenance, and ctrl-d to continue", is it safe to hard-off? |
| 16:38.34 | jure | hark: added additional lshal output: http://pastebin.com/d639735d6 |
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| 16:38.59 | dekatch | macrobat, ill type it down. i am nit sure if i have scsi or just ide |
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| 16:39.18 | dekatch | but sda or hda isnt that hard |
| 16:39.22 | fred1_ | panfist, strange.. should work.. is it the only device on its ide channel? |
| 16:39.27 | fred1_ | and properly set to master/single? |
| 16:39.54 | hark | jure: i'll take a look. moment |
| 16:40.01 | panfist | fred1_ yes, it's the only PATA device and it's set to master. I have one SATA device in the first channel using AHCI mode |
| 16:40.32 | fred1_ | dunno anything about sata.. but it shouldnt affect the instllers ability to mount a cdrom from ide |
| 16:40.35 | panfist | initially i had tried to install ubuntu 8.04 LTS and i thought, "this must not be working because it doesn't support my hardware out of the box" so then I tried 9.10 beta, and now debian 5.03 and I keep running into the same problem |
| 16:40.56 | fred1_ | all of them give the same problem? cant mount cdd? |
| 16:41.01 | panfist | it works if i select IDE emulation from my SATA controller |
| 16:41.03 | panfist | yes |
| 16:41.18 | fred1_ | maybe you got some wonky cdrom drive |
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| 16:41.26 | panfist | i have tried three different ones |
| 16:41.28 | fred1_ | got another you can try? |
| 16:41.31 | fred1_ | heh |
| 16:41.36 | fred1_ | all 3 give the same problem? |
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| 16:41.50 | panfist | well the first one i tried was just plain broken but the other two...same problem |
| 16:41.56 | fred1_ | maybe something wonky in the BIOS/CMOS settings |
| 16:42.19 | panfist | i'll go back and double check those, but they're all default except I chose AHCI instead of IDE emulation |
| 16:42.54 | panfist | is there anything i should look for in particular? |
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| 16:44.23 | Wyzard | panfist: AHCI is SATA-only |
| 16:44.44 | panfist | the mothboard has a separate single channel ide controller |
| 16:44.45 | hark | jure: you haven't restarted hal? |
| 16:45.01 | panfist | i dont think setting AHCI mode effects the ide controller |
| 16:45.49 | Wyzard | panfist: If it's a separate controller then it shouldn't be affected by whether the main controller is using AHCI, but that sounds like it might not be a separate controller after all |
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| 16:46.35 | bolt | Can anyone explain the xorg.conf ExpectedRate option to me? I have a 1000hz gaming mouse, and the http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/PointerAcceleration page says ExpectedRate 10 is appropriate for 100Hz. Should my ExpectedRate then be 100? To match 1000Hz? |
| 16:46.38 | Wyzard | panfist: I'd switch back to IDE emulation temporarily and use something like hal-device-manager to check whether both drives show up as connected to the same controller |
| 16:46.39 | jure | hark: no |
| 16:46.48 | Wyzard | panfist: I'd also buy a SATA optical drive :-) |
| 16:47.07 | panfist | wyzard there are two separate controllers for sure. whether setting ahci mode effects the ide controller i am only assuming that it doesn't because that would be an awful bug. however, if setting ahci affected the ide controller,i probably wouldn't even be able to boot the cdrom |
| 16:48.30 | hark | jure: restart it and X. rest all looks fine to me |
| 16:48.32 | Wyzard | panfist: Separate controllers should have separate BIOS settings (I can choose AHCI or legacy separately for the Intel and JMicron controllers on my board) but the vendor *could* have grouped them under a single setting -- seems unlikely though |
| 16:48.37 | jure | hark: it works! |
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| 16:49.51 | matt7676 | Is it possible to make a tar archive of two txt files? Like "tar -czvf tarball.tgz file1 file2"? |
| 16:50.16 | Wyzard | matt7676: of course |
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| 16:50.35 | hark | jure: yeah so that was it :) |
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| 16:50.57 | jure | this is so awesome! sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart did it. |
| 16:51.14 | matt7676 | Wyzard: ok, so when the user does "tar -xzvf tarball.tgz" on his computer, those two files will appear in the directory of the tarball.tgz? |
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| 16:51.44 | panfist | i see "IDE Contoller => enabled, SATA Controller => enabled, SATA Configuration => AHCI" ... so going by the interface i shouldnt effect the ide controller by setting ahci mode, but that doesn't mean the implementation is correct. anyway...my gut is still telling me that if the AHCI setting was effecting the IDE controller, I probably wouldn't even be able to boot from the IDE drive |
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| 16:52.09 | Wyzard | matt7676: If they were in the current directory when you created the archive, yes |
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| 16:53.25 | matt7676 | Wyzard: ok, thanks! |
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| 16:53.29 | Wyzard | matt7676: If you did "tar -czvf tarball.tgz dir1/file1 dir2/file2" then dir1 and dir2 would be created when the archive is extracted, with the files in them |
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| 16:54.21 | garrythefish | hi! :) I was just wondering, is it possible to save your changes in debian live ? i don't know where to look for this particular piece of information. Thanks in advance ;) |
| 16:54.30 | newdivide | how can i set my shared fat32 partition to be automatically mounted at startup for everyuser with read and write permissions? |
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| 16:55.15 | pred2k3 | hi, I havehi, I have created a new disk with vmware and tried to partition it via disk: 1. created a new table, 2. created a primary linux partition, when I try to mount that partition I get the following error: "cant find ext3 filesystem on..", any ideas? |
| 16:55.40 | Wyzard | pred2k3: You didn't create a filesystem |
| 16:55.55 | Wyzard | pred2k3: man mke2fs |
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| 16:56.34 | Wyzard | pred2k3: (Use the -j option to make an ext3 filesystem instead of ext2, or run it as mkfs.ext3) |
| 16:56.38 | lindenle | is there a stream torrent client in debian |
| 16:56.39 | garrythefish | is the thing i want even possible? :P |
| 16:56.42 | pred2k3 | ah ok thanks |
| 16:56.55 | matt7676 | Wyzard: I see. However, is the filename of the archive important at all? I mean can this be something like "tar -cjvf archive.xxx jpg1 jpg2 jpg3"? |
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| 16:57.29 | garrythefish | or at least, with a straight forward approach. :P i'm such a n00b, sorry. |
| 16:57.34 | PermissionFail | I'm having a bit trouble of trouble with certain parts of permissions in a drive. i can access the folders but i don't think i have write access. any ideas? |
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| 16:58.15 | panfist | ok, i must have been mistaken, because i tried to install with my HDD set to IDE mode (which I thought worked) but it's not working. no matter what I do I can boot using the CD, but it can't mount it once it's started the installation process. i have executed a shell from the installer. what can i do? |
| 16:59.10 | Wyzard | panfist: ls /dev/hd* |
| 16:59.13 | Wyzard | panfist: See what's there |
| 16:59.46 | newdivide | can anyone help me with setting my shared fat32 partition to be automatically mounted at startup for every user with read and write permissions? i googled it but the solutions in the forums were usually answered as "didn't work" |
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| 17:00.14 | panfist | /dev/hdc is there; also /dev/cdrom |
| 17:00.19 | garrythefish | ok, thanks anyway. see ya. cheers (b) ;) |
| 17:00.21 | somiaj | newdivide: its probabaly a bad idea to give 'everyone' write privlages, but you can do it |
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| 17:00.26 | sash_ | newdivide: google fstab, mount options: users and umask |
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| 17:01.33 | somiaj | newdivide: but as sash_ said, you want to set the uid= and gid= for the partition (user and group), and then you use the umask to set the primisions. umask = 002 will allow anyone in the group to write but not everyone the ability to write. use umask = 000 if you want everyone to write (which I advise against) |
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| 17:01.42 | newdivide | somiaj: in fact i am the only one using this computer and the other system is not in the partition that i am trying to mount, so i guess it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 17:02.22 | somiaj | newdivide: if your the only person who is using the machine, just set the uid=<your user name> and it will give you ownership of the whole partition |
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| 17:02.32 | panfist | hdc i'm assuming is referring to the drive i have plugged into sata0 because a and b would be reserved for the IDE master and slave...but i'm just guessing |
| 17:02.40 | BCM43 | All of a sudden there is nothing in /dev exept initctl |
| 17:02.40 | somiaj | newdivide: use the group option if you want to give select members access to the data |
| 17:03.01 | BCM43 | why would this be? |
| 17:03.14 | somiaj | panfist: most sata drives apear as /dev/sd? [a scsi drive] |
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| 17:03.27 | newdivide | somlaj: so am i going to add a line to the fstab? i'm sorry, i am kinda newbie :\ |
| 17:03.29 | panfist | i have the sata controller set to IDE emulation |
| 17:03.41 | panfist | because i'm having a hell of a time getting the cd mount once the installation process has begun |
| 17:03.45 | somiaj | newdivide: yea just add uid=<username> to the option section of the mount point |
| 17:04.17 | somiaj | panfist: parse though dmesg and it should tell you what drives it detected and what device it attached them to |
| 17:04.28 | BCM43 | Why is initctr the only thing in /dev for me? |
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| 17:06.09 | panfist | ahh ok i was wayyyy off. /dev/hdc is my cdrom drive and /dev/sda is my hard disk |
| 17:06.55 | newdivide | somiaj: ok, i guess i can google the rest, thanks for guiding, one more question: does using a fat32 partition by both xp and debian cause problems? |
| 17:07.12 | panfist | what parameters would i need to try to mount /dev/hdc as the installation CD and continue |
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| 17:07.45 | somiaj | newdivide: nope, xp will just put lots of files around like thumbs.db, dir.ini and stuff |
| 17:08.28 | newdivide | i see, thanks again both to you and sash_ ,good day :) |
| 17:08.58 | Wyzard | panfist: The directory that the installer normally mounts it on is /instmnt, I think |
| 17:09.08 | Wyzard | panfist: so you'd do mount /dev/hdc /instmnt |
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| 17:09.25 | Wyzard | panfist: Have you scanned the CD for defects, btw? It might just be a bad burn |
| 17:09.33 | peterrooney | newdivide: not unless you install XP after installing debian. (MS thinks it owns your MBR) |
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| 17:11.56 | cafaro | Debian seems to be rather slow when connecting to an internet domain (wget, ssh, internet browser etc.), could this be because of ipv6? if so, how do i disable it? |
| 17:12.13 | panfist | does the boot menu give me an option to scan the cd for defects? because i dont see it. part of the problem i was having with ubuntu was that i couldn't even scan the cd for defects, because that required mounting it. |
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| 17:13.13 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 17:13.23 | Wyzard | panfist: That definitely is an option in the boot menu of current Ubuntu CDs, and I believe it is in Debian too |
| 17:14.06 | jamesbond-4711 | for a server installation (without GUI of course) of Debian Lenny, do I need this CD image? |
| 17:14.12 | panfist | i don't see it as an option in the debian...nor is it an advanced option (rescue mode, automated install, alternative desktop environement)... |
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| 17:14.17 | jamesbond-4711 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 17:14.17 | EagleScreen | to check CD for defects in Debian, you have to boot installer first |
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| 17:14.29 | somiaj | ubuntu was assigning my ide drives /dev/sda, took me a bit to figure that out. |
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| 17:15.33 | Wyzard | somiaj: That's normal for SATA drives in any distro |
| 17:15.57 | jamesbond-4711 | or is there a special image for a server installation? |
| 17:16.08 | chellomere | jamesbond-4711, no, use the normal one |
| 17:16.25 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:16.27 | gasull | Hi. In installed sun-java6-jdk and sun-java6-plugin but I don't see the plugin in Iceweasel (Tools -> Add ons -> Plugins). What should I do? Thank you. |
| 17:16.28 | panfist | ok, so i booted into the installer, it failed to mount the CD rom and dumped me at the installer menu. i go to check cd integrity and i get the same message...failed to mount |
| 17:16.37 | somiaj | Wyzard: yes, but this is an IDE drive. I only had old ide drives floating around for this machine |
| 17:16.42 | Posterdati | please I got this error inserting a usb pendrive: Cannot obtain lock on /media/.hal-mtab |
| 17:16.44 | jamesbond-4711 | chellomere: this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 17:16.56 | chellomere | jamesbond-4711, for example. |
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| 17:17.15 | chellomere | jamesbond-4711, assuming your cpu is i386-compatible. |
| 17:17.29 | jamesbond-4711 | chellomere: yes, it is :-) |
| 17:17.30 | jamesbond-4711 | thx |
| 17:17.47 | Selveste1 | Hey - I have tryed to get lvmreduce to worke, but when I try lvreduce -r -L -1G /dev/system/system it tels my that fsadm is missing, and it seams like there is a lot of Bug-rapports for this problem for debian testing, but no one for Lenny, and I run Lenny - do you guy think the know this problem ore do I have to make a bug-rapport for lenny to ? |
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| 17:21.24 | Selveste1 | there is no pacakas that provide fsadmin |
| 17:21.30 | Selveste1 | *fsadm |
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| 17:27.36 | PermissionFail | I've been having troubles changing permissions on a drive to allow write access. any ideas? |
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| 17:28.03 | solar_sea | Do I need to use swap for a system with 6 gb of ram ? |
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| 17:28.20 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: fs type ? |
| 17:28.31 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney: ntfs |
| 17:28.38 | panfist | im at a shell in the installtion process. i can't mount the installation cd automatically no matter what i've tried in the BIOS. here's what i see in dmesg... |
| 17:28.40 | solar_sea | I'm mostly using it for home activities (movies, web, music), as well as for occasional development of java applications |
| 17:29.03 | panfist | hdc: PHILLIS DVD etc... |
| 17:29.16 | panfist | sda:<6>HDC: ATAPI 48x DVD-ROM etc... |
| 17:29.17 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: to my knowledge, you can't. |
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| 17:29.28 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney? |
| 17:29.34 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: you set the owner and umask when you mount it. |
| 17:29.42 | flokuehn | Selveste1: i think fsadm is obsolete. why dont you try with resize2fs |
| 17:29.43 | flokuehn | ? |
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| 17:30.02 | panfist | if i try to mount /dev/sda /test i get, mounting failed: invalid argument |
| 17:30.06 | panfist | i have created the dir /test |
| 17:30.21 | panfist | same if i try to mount /dev/hdc ... am i missing something? man isn't installed in this shell |
| 17:30.47 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney, is there a specific command to type ? (it's been >8 months since i jacked with permissions) |
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| 17:31.03 | chellomere | panfist, disks usually contain a partition table. use sda1 sda2 etc |
| 17:31.07 | Selveste1 | when i do, I get locking type 1 when i try lvreduce -r -L -1G /dev/system/system |
| 17:31.14 | Selveste1 | * resize2fs |
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| 17:31.27 | panfist | CD-ROMs contain a partition table? |
| 17:31.47 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: mount -t ntfs -o uid=whoever,umask=001 device mountpoint |
| 17:31.54 | chellomere | panfist, nope |
| 17:31.55 | panfist | ls /dev|grep hd ... shows hdc |
| 17:32.08 | panfist | ls /dev|grep sd ... shows sda only |
| 17:32.16 | panfist | i'm trying to mount the cdrom |
| 17:32.17 | chellomere | oh |
| 17:32.19 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: try not to use that umask, I can't imagine how it would be useful in a realworld situation |
| 17:32.20 | chellomere | what is sda? |
| 17:32.40 | chellomere | panfist, what does file -s /dev/hdc output? |
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| 17:33.15 | panfist | dmesg|grep sda shows some stuff about hardware sectors, mode sense, and "sda:<6>hdc: ATAPI 48x DVD-ROM etc" |
| 17:33.31 | panfist | so I guess sda is somehow pointing to my ide dvd rom drive or something... |
| 17:33.35 | panfist | i get file: not found |
| 17:33.40 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney, at the moment it's mounted in /media/dokan (via mount /dev/sdc1 /media/dokan ) |
| 17:34.00 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney, i can access it but i can't write. :( |
| 17:34.13 | chellomere | panfist, dumb question, sorry, but is there a cd or dvd in there? |
| 17:34.19 | panfist | maybe i could bypass my CDROM hell by booting over PXE? is there a free PXE server that can run in windows? |
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| 17:34.48 | panfist | chellomere at this point no question is dumb, i would pull out my hair if i had any left. yes, there's a disk in there. it's booting from the disk, but once it starts the installation process it can't mount the disk |
| 17:34.52 | Selveste1 | flokuehn: When I try resize2fs now, "Filesystem at /dev/system/home is mounted on /home; on-line resizing required \n On-line shrinking from 19535872 to 11671552 not supported." |
| 17:34.52 | maligor | !ops aLBerT onjoin spam bot |
| 17:34.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: maligor complains about: aLBerT onjoin spam bot |
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| 17:35.11 | abrotman | maligor: they like you :) |
| 17:35.27 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: you'll probably have to unmount it first. |
| 17:35.29 | maligor | they don't do the onjoin service to everyone? |
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| 17:35.54 | jelly-home | Selveste1: apparently shrinking has to be done offline. |
| 17:36.21 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney, what umask should i use? |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | maligor: they do .. but you just seem to join when they are actually here and spamming |
| 17:36.23 | jelly-home | Selveste1: um... have you resized the block device _before_ resizing the filesystem? |
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| 17:36.25 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: i say probably because without reading the man page, I won't say if the remount option works for ntfs. |
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| 17:36.59 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: Yes it seems that way, but that is not an option to do it offline :P Yes I have |
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| 17:37.29 | PermissionFail | Peterrooney, like i said: i have read- but not write- access |
| 17:37.57 | peterrooney | PermissionFail: 0022 usually works well. as for writing, please /msg dpkg ntfs first |
| 17:38.05 | jelly-home | Selveste1: well, you've just lost data. :-| |
| 17:38.46 | jelly-home | Selveste1: if you shrunk a lvm before shrinking the filesystem, you've probably stepped on some filesystem data. |
| 17:38.48 | peterrooney | !ntfs |
| 17:38.48 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 17:38.54 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: Haven lost anythink ;) have backup, and have not writen on the empty space yet ither |
| 17:39.45 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:40.00 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: That was the reason I started with lvresize -r option, but it dosen't work :S caus fsadm is missing in lenny LVM2 packages :S |
| 17:40.06 | jelly-home | Selveste1: at this point the safest thing to do is to umount and restore. |
| 17:40.19 | jelly-home | er, umount, mkfs, restore |
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| 17:41.03 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: Yes, it is easy with home, but not with root next time |
| 17:41.22 | jelly-home | Selveste1: you _may_ be able to go back to the previous state if you're able to restore the exact previous extent allocation as it was before |
| 17:41.55 | jelly-home | Selveste1: but if this partition is in use now, it's only a matter of time before something tries to write to nonexisting space |
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| 17:43.07 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: I have recoverd all data, but it still dossent change my problem :S I cant live resize my root part - at the moment everything is like when i started |
| 17:43.24 | jelly-home | Selveste1: man page for resize2fs doesn't say anything about online shrinking, just online expanding. |
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| 17:43.38 | Kobaz | jelly-home: online shrinking is *bad* |
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| 17:44.25 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: that resixe2fs before was just a test, and the resizing is on 1mb in unused home-part - I know thats y im here ;) |
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| 17:44.59 | blendmaster1024 | how can i use debian mkinitramfs to make an initramfs for my custom kernel image? does it even matter if the kernel image is different? |
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| 17:45.19 | jelly-home | Selveste1: well. _Don't_cut the device in half before shrinking the filesystem to fit, first. |
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| 17:46.11 | jelly-home | Selveste1: let me introduce you to a concept of "scheduled downtime" |
| 17:46.23 | lumis | anyone had any luck configuring a PAL TV as a screen in Xorg? Got it working OK, but there's a blue shimmer/shadow to everything and I wondered if some of my settings are slightly off or something |
| 17:47.31 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: I will try that :) I have send a massage out to people now, but it wood be nicer if live resizing have worked on this server as it worked on the other (CentOS) :S |
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| 17:48.49 | blendmaster1024 | lumis: sounds like what would happen, connected to a TV. tvs are like that |
| 17:48.49 | jelly-home | Selveste1: I can only says that online growing works well. |
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| 17:49.56 | lumis | blendmaster1024: Done this before (on Windows though) and it's not been like that; looks like the refresh rate's off a little, gonna mess around some more |
| 17:50.04 | blendmaster1024 | oh |
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| 17:50.10 | blendmaster1024 | well, like i said, tvs do that |
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| 17:50.15 | lumis | heh |
| 17:50.16 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: now im annoyed, live resizing (down) works on my LVM laptop :S And that is running Debian Lenny and LVM2 :S |
| 17:50.19 | blendmaster1024 | and so do crts |
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| 17:50.56 | jelly-home | Selveste1: I hope you're doing it in correct order |
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| 17:51.30 | jelly-home | Selveste1: personally I wouldn't use it on production systems before verifying it's reasonably bugless\ |
| 17:51.49 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: still in a small testing part. ;) |
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| 17:54.25 | salsaman | hi, looking for a mentor to upload the latest LiVES release |
| 17:54.30 | salsaman | anybody ? |
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| 17:57.26 | l-fy | hello |
| 17:57.35 | l-fy | i have a small problem with pam_limit |
| 17:57.45 | l-fy | when it reloads limits.conf ? |
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| 17:59.13 | jelly-home | l-fy: next login of the service using it |
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| 18:00.10 | jelly-home | l-fy: eg. if ssh, the next user logged in via ssh will have different limits (no need to restart sshd). I might be remembering wrong. |
| 18:00.18 | l-fy | yes |
| 18:00.25 | l-fy | found the docs jelly-home |
| 18:00.30 | l-fy | but thank you for your help : |
| 18:00.32 | l-fy | :) |
| 18:01.03 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 18:01.16 | salsaman | hi, looking for a mentor to upload the latest LiVES release |
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| 18:01.32 | mentor | !tell salsaman about repeat |
| 18:01.47 | salsaman | !tell channel its rude to ignore people |
| 18:01.51 | mentor | !tell salsaman about mentor |
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| 18:02.07 | mentor | salsaman: It's rude to demand attention like a child too |
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| 18:02.27 | dondelelcaro | salsaman: send an RFS to -mentors |
| 18:02.36 | salsaman | its been done |
| 18:02.44 | dondelelcaro | (this isn't the place to ask for a sponsor) |
| 18:02.52 | salsaman | ok then sorry |
| 18:03.03 | dondelelcaro | then wait for a response. if none, try again |
| 18:03.09 | salsaman | but the debian packager is reporting |
| 18:03.12 | mentor | The mentor factoid should have provided appropriate info |
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| 18:03.51 | salsaman | "I'm having trouble finding a sponsor on debian-mentors" |
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| 18:04.16 | salsaman | it has been waiting over 2 weeks |
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| 18:04.40 | dondelelcaro | salsaman: that usually means that no one is interested in the package, or the description doesn't saw what the package does well enough. |
| 18:04.55 | dondelelcaro | s/saw/say/ |
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| 18:05.08 | breedx | can anybody help me troubleshoot adding TLS to an otherwise working courier IMAP server on Lenny? |
| 18:05.39 | mentor | breedx: Which IMAP server? |
| 18:05.51 | dondelelcaro | breedx: best to just ask your question, though id suggest using dovecot... |
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| 18:05.55 | breedx | mentor: courier |
| 18:06.27 | mentor | breedx: Then no. I'd massively recommend using dovecot |
| 18:06.27 | Bac0n | hi would really need some help ..... after last update debian (testing) i cant click on some buttons in eclipse .... like "search" |
| 18:06.27 | breedx | dondelelcaro: does dovecot have a relationship to courier? does it support Maildirs? |
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| 18:06.53 | Bac0n | "cancel" works |
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| 18:07.11 | breedx | I've been running courier happily for so many years, funny that I'd only heard of dovecot last nite. |
| 18:08.01 | dondelelcaro | breedx: no, but it supports maildir and just about everything else. |
| 18:08.20 | blendmaster1024 | ok, so i just tried to build an initramfs from a chroot, the /lib/modules of the chroot doesn't contain the modules for the running kernel, how do i tell it to use those modules instead of the running ones? |
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| 18:09.00 | dondelelcaro | blendmaster1024: you have to put the modules needed into the chroot, either by bind mounting or copying |
| 18:09.26 | breedx | dondelelcaro/mentor: thanks for the recommendation. I'll look into dovecot then. |
| 18:09.38 | blendmaster1024 | dondelelcaro: NO!!!! i don't want to use the modules for the running kernel for heaven's sake!! i just built a kernel and i want to make an initramfs for that!!! |
| 18:09.51 | blendmaster1024 | is a little annoyed dondelelcaro missed the point |
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| 18:10.31 | dondelelcaro | blendmaster1024: do you see "running modules" anywhere in my message? |
| 18:10.45 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: The esay way to resize the partition must be booting on a live-CD right ? |
| 18:10.52 | blendmaster1024 | no... they're there already |
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| 18:11.09 | jelly-home | Selveste1: root? Yes. |
| 18:11.13 | catsup_ | blendmaster1024: the -k version to update-initramfs |
| 18:11.22 | catsup_ | i mean the -k *option* |
| 18:11.33 | catsup_ | it is used to specify the version |
| 18:11.34 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: yes root :) I have downtime in about 30 min :P |
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| 18:11.42 | rrto | Which ports, if any, does Debian close by default? How can I open them? My VPN is behaving strangely under Debian. |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | Selveste1: yay! |
| 18:11.51 | Isko | Hello! Can somebody help me? |
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| 18:12.11 | jelly-home | rrto: it doesn't close anything by default, blank iptables rules. |
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| 18:13.15 | panfist | i am going to try a PXE installation to circumvent my cdrom issues. i have the PXE environment beginning to start up, but I see something like TFPT.... then PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout. PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel PXE ROM ... |
| 18:13.41 | catsup_ | Isko: just ask your question |
| 18:13.55 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: is there a way to make you own liveCD cause I need packages like LVM and my internet will be down under the resizing :S |
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| 18:14.29 | jelly-home | Selveste1: I usually use grml.org |
| 18:14.40 | Isko | Oh okey :D thanks well i have this problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45911 but now im dealing with another issue, i cant istall GDM beacause it says that im not root, or authorised altough i logged in with main account |
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| 18:15.38 | jelly-home | Selveste1: the medium release is a reasonably small and reasonably complete livecd |
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| 18:20.11 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: Thanks, normaly I use ubuntu-liveCD but it dos not contane LVM |
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| 18:21.13 | jelly-home | Selveste1: that sounds like an incomplete livecd. This one says it's geared toward sysadmining, but check out the contents before burning |
| 18:21.33 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: I will :) |
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| 18:23.40 | Selveste1 | This is the downside with big XEN systems, when the master is down, everything is down :S and this is the server that connect the company with the rest of the world :S all internel trafic is still going to be up n running ... so I have to be quick :P |
| 18:23.55 | jelly-home | Selveste1: I know it had everything I needed so far, I _think_ that included lvm but I don't really remember TBH |
| 18:24.12 | Lorn_ | hi, if i want to install debian 64bits in a core2duo machine i need to get amd64 inst? |
| 18:24.39 | Selveste1 | Lorn_: Yes amd64 is for c2d also |
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| 18:24.53 | Lorn_ | Selveste1: thanks |
| 18:25.09 | Selveste1 | Lorn_: np |
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| 18:26.39 | kavakava | From the Squeeze netinst on a usb-stick: "No kernel modules found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version in the archive." |
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| 18:28.03 | kavakava | It occurs to me now that I downloaded debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso from debian.org and boot.img.gz from a mirror. Does that matter? |
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| 18:28.57 | Selveste1 | jelly-home: I will try to start it in a virtualbox before burning |
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| 18:30.45 | compy | is there any way to tune dpkg invocation by apt/aptitude? Like doing "dpkg -D1" instead of "dpkg" |
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| 18:31.11 | karmatronic | compy, use an alias |
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| 18:31.21 | compy | didn't work |
| 18:31.29 | breedx | dondelelcaro/mentor: thanks for the dovecot recommendation. Seems to be quite enjoyable. |
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| 18:33.31 | compy | well, I'll just replace dpkg with a wrapper .. |
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| 18:35.11 | PermissionFail | What do i do to add a HDD to fstab ? |
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| 18:36.26 | Isko | Im going to reask my question incase someone can help - well i have this problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45911 but now im dealing with another issue, i cant istall GDM beacause it says that im not root, or authorised altough i logged in with main account |
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| 18:37.04 | PermissionFail | Isko, the main user and root are seperate. |
| 18:37.20 | bpgoldsb | Anyone know a good embedded device for running Debian on? I want to build my own router with a little more power than the OpenWRT/DD-WRT style routers. Something with 2 NIC's, USB or it's own storage, and ideally ARM processor |
| 18:37.31 | PermissionFail | " su - " will get you into root, Isko. |
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| 18:40.13 | Isko | PremissionFail - I managed somehow to get into root but now if i execute command 'apt-get install gdm' then it says that i have already newest version of gdm |
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| 18:45.35 | slacker_nl | anyone knows the correct location for the testing jigdo files? |
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| 18:45.50 | slacker_nl | on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ i get a 404 for testing |
| 18:46.03 | PermissionFail | Isko, when you boot into Debian, what do you get stating you can't use GDM? |
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| 18:49.15 | abrotman | slacker_nl: they don't exist .. use the netinst |
| 18:50.01 | slacker_nl | abrotman: k, will upgrade from stable to testing then |
| 18:50.05 | Isko | PremissionFail - i think its daemon that fails when on boot screen there is some failure notes and i think it was daemon which failed then after that GDM screen came |
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| 18:52.36 | Selveste1_ | jelly-home: it contanes lvm and resize2fs :) |
| 18:53.35 | jelly-home | Selveste1_: like I said, it usually has the useful stuff |
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| 18:53.56 | jelly-home | (that includes screen, and zsh, which makes it my favorite livecd) |
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| 19:00.34 | jelly-home | judd: info libcuda1-dev |
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| 19:02.24 | themill | jelly-home: add "--release sid" since it's in sid only at present and the Judd plugin doesn't (yet) failover to sid if not in stable. |
| 19:02.59 | jelly-home | judd: info libcuda1-dev --release sid |
| 19:02.59 | judd | jelly-home: libcuda1-dev (non-free/libdevel): is optional; Version: 185.18.36-2; Size: 22.7k; Installed: 56k -- NVIDIA CUDA development files |
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| 19:04.49 | compy | I'm still getting "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debconf-i18n" on apt-get -y --reinstall install debconf debconf-i18n .. since it seems that similar bugs have been reported in apt/aptitude .. and strace didn't show any obvious reason, should I fill a bug on that? |
| 19:04.49 | SparFux | Hi. What is the most elegant debian way to detect network environment? I.e. based on MAC addresses of the peer or ping ips or whatever. |
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| 19:05.03 | themill | SparFux: guessnet does exactly that for you. Look at it in conjunction with ifplugd |
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| 19:06.42 | SparFux | themill: hm... I searched for package guessnet already, but couldn't find anything. |
| 19:06.48 | SparFux | but now I found it :-) |
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| 19:07.30 | blendmaster1024 | dang it, dbus won't install all the way! nor will it uninstall!! |
| 19:07.32 | blendmaster1024 | DANG IT!1 |
| 19:08.37 | maligor | blendmaster1024, installing sid or testing? |
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| 19:10.42 | blendmaster1024 | maligor: nope, ubuntu hardy i think. however, it's a debian package problem, don't redirect me to #ubuntu |
| 19:11.04 | Titan8990 | blendmaster1024, thats how it works here |
| 19:11.18 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 19:11.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:11.27 | maligor | if you're trying to install a debian package in ubuntu you're even more screwed |
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| 19:11.49 | maligor | especially for something like dbus |
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| 19:11.55 | blendmaster1024 | JUST FETCHING ANSWER!!!! |
| 19:12.14 | blendmaster1024 | is getting really really angry at this package |
| 19:12.17 | dondelelcaro | blendmaster1024: #ubuntu is the place to ask these questions; we've nothing to do with it |
| 19:12.37 | dondelelcaro | (we'd be in #ubuntu if we were answering questions about it) |
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| 19:12.41 | Marcty | How do I find a Usb device location? |
| 19:12.46 | Marcty | I believe it has something to do with the port that the device is connected to in an USB hub (I'm trying to make a 3g modem work with an Asus router running a 3rd party firm) it has a 2.4 kernel |
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| 19:12.50 | Marcty | its oleg's firmware on an asus router, I only know it's a 2.4 kernel |
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| 19:12.59 | lolwuttt | try running "dmesg" see what the output is |
| 19:13.03 | Polarina | How do I make a cronjob to do something every 10 minutes? |
| 19:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Polarina: man 5 crontab; read about */10 |
| 19:13.12 | Marcty | ideas? |
| 19:13.15 | Marcty | suggestions? |
| 19:13.28 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: lsusb will tell you where it is, depending on the hub |
| 19:13.36 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: you can also figure it out by walking the device tree |
| 19:14.00 | electronicsleep | Hello awesome debian friends! :) I have a question about sftp chroot jails, I made a user chroot sftp but the can still hit back and see /home |
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| 19:14.13 | electronicsleep | I used this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 19:14.26 | Marcty | dondelelcaro: in lsusb where can I see it? |
| 19:14.34 | Polarina | dondelelcaro: 10 * * * * |
| 19:14.37 | Polarina | dondelelcaro: Right? |
| 19:14.37 | cjones | how do i make a bootable usb thumbdrive from the command line |
| 19:14.54 | dondelelcaro | Polarina: no. |
| 19:15.11 | dondelelcaro | Polarina: */10 * * * *; man 5 crontab to see what that means. |
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| 19:15.17 | Titan8990 | electronicsleep, if I am reading that correctly, users should be able to see /home using that guide |
| 19:15.24 | Polarina | dondelelcaro: Ok, thanks. |
| 19:15.31 | Marcty | dondelelcaro, mister? |
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| 19:16.06 | Marcty | using lsusb where can I see it? |
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| 19:17.15 | Marcty | pls dont ignore me :/ |
| 19:17.57 | cjones | how do i make a bootable usb thumbdrive from the command line |
| 19:18.01 | electronicsleep | Tital8990, hmmm, I think your right. I tried to change ChrootDirectory /home/theuser instead of just /home but it wont log in |
| 19:18.13 | jelly-home | Marcty: if noone answers, it usually means they have no useful thing to say |
| 19:18.17 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: lsusb -t |
| 19:18.19 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: man lsusb |
| 19:18.46 | Titan8990 | electronicsleep, I have never set up a chroot jail personally, i just looked at the guide and saw that was the expected behavior |
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| 19:19.21 | electronicsleep | kindof a useless jail if they can get out of there dir. |
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| 19:19.49 | Marcty | dondelelcaro: doesn't work |
| 19:20.05 | Marcty | output is the same with lsusb with or withou -t |
| 19:20.07 | kavakava | cjones: Well, I'm not the right man to ask right now, since I actually have a problem with it right now (Mismatch between kernels), but zcat a boot.img.gz (from ftp.nl.debian.org) image to the drive, then mount and copy the netinst-image, then unmount. May take some time. Have worked for me many times except today, so I'm not sure what's wrong. |
| 19:20.09 | Titan8990 | electronicsleep, well... it would still prevent them from looking at say... /etc/passwd |
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| 19:20.51 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: uh... then you're not using Debian |
| 19:21.17 | Marcty | T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 |
| 19:21.22 | Marcty | could it be 02.02.01 ??? |
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| 19:21.42 | electronicsleep | Titan8990, thanks, looks like im missing something there thanks for the reply, Ill do some more googling/manpaging :) |
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| 19:23.13 | Marcty | dondelelcaro: T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#= 3 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 |
| 19:23.16 | Marcty | thats what I get |
| 19:23.17 | Marcty | could it be 02.02.01 ??? |
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| 19:24.25 | dondelelcaro | Marcty: you're not running Debian if lsusb -t; doesn't work. Try asking in ##linux |
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| 19:25.29 | PermissionFail | Debian uses Metacity, right ? |
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| 19:26.01 | dondelelcaro | PermissionFail: it can |
| 19:26.14 | dondelelcaro | (but you can use whatever WM you want) |
| 19:26.18 | jelly-home | PermissionFail: if Gnome is used, by default, yes |
| 19:26.21 | PermissionFail | What's it's default ? |
| 19:26.28 | PermissionFail | Oh, ok. |
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| 19:27.48 | Titan8990 | electronicsleep, good luck |
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| 19:33.39 | panfist | how hard is it to install debian on an ext4 file system |
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| 19:34.59 | PermissionFail | Panfist, as hard as it is to install it on an ext3 fs |
| 19:35.15 | Titan8990 | PermissionFail, i wouldn't say that... the lenny installer does not support ext4 |
| 19:35.23 | PermissionFail | Oh. :s |
| 19:35.26 | Titan8990 | and not sure about installers after that |
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| 19:36.44 | Titan8990 | unless someone has come up with a better way i see it being like this: install on ext4 via deboostrap, install custom > .28 kernel (.30 recommended for security reasons), done |
| 19:36.59 | Titan8990 | for debian lenny |
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| 19:38.42 | ttyS1 | hello my desktop's motherboard died. I ordered a different one that supports the same processor. Can I install it without causing any problems to the OS ? |
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| 19:39.53 | bolt | I can't get my xorg.conf to do anything! xorg says it's using that file on startup, but nothing I do in there seems to have an effect. I've tried changing most options, and they do nothing... |
| 19:40.52 | Pryon | ttyS1: are you running a stock kernel? |
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| 19:41.54 | Pryon | bolt: what happens if you try to use an xorg.conf generated by 'X -configure' ? |
| 19:42.00 | ttyS1 | Pryon: a stock kernel ? |
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| 19:42.20 | Pryon | ttyS1: one provided by debian (as opposed to a custom kernel configured and compiled by you) |
| 19:42.26 | panfist | i'm installing debian on a machine that's destined to be a web server...what should i put in as the user name? for example there must be a postgres user...should i enter myself as a user or put something like "myapache" |
| 19:42.54 | ttyS1 | oh yeah it's a standar debina install |
| 19:43.02 | Pryon | panfist: a user will be created when you install the package |
| 19:43.06 | ttyS1 | *debian |
| 19:43.08 | Pryon | ttyS1: Then you should be fine |
| 19:44.09 | panfist | yes, i know that postgres creates a user when you install the package, but what about the user i configure when i install the os for the first time? if i want to follow best practices, do i set up myself as a user and then set up some other kind of user later when the server goes into production? |
| 19:44.27 | panfist | are there any books available about best practices of linux server administration? |
| 19:44.35 | kavakava | I downloaded this netinst ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ) and this boot.img.gz ( http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz ). I then used zcat with the boot.img.gz and cp with the iso. Earlier this has worked perfectly, but now I get a message saying "No kernel modules found. This probably is due to a mismatch |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | !books |
| 19:44.39 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
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| 19:45.31 | ttyS1 | Pryon: when I try to start the system it says Waiting for root file system and it takes a while then it finally takes me to a different prompt: (initramfs) |
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| 19:47.51 | panfist | i'm in the lenny installer, it's asking me if i want to install a sql database...which one is it going to install, or will it ask me which one |
| 19:47.59 | ttyS1 | Pryon: I have no access to the file system |
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| 19:48.46 | hark | panfist: postgresql |
| 19:48.53 | panfist | nice, thanks |
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| 19:49.29 | hark | panfist: you can install it later on and check the packages using tasksel |
| 19:49.46 | panfist | thanks |
| 19:50.32 | Dassu | Eh... |
| 19:50.36 | Pryon | ttyS1: what kind of disk drive contains the boot partition? |
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| 19:50.44 | Pryon | SATA? |
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| 19:51.22 | ttyS1 | Pryon: yes |
| 19:51.45 | ttyS1 | Pryon: it's an IDE drive set to master |
| 19:51.53 | Dassu | If anybody here is using youtube with "no flash" greasemonkey script. I would love to know what player plugin are they using: totem(-xine) [unable to do full screen], mplayer [stopping prematuraly],vlc [no control bar] |
| 19:52.04 | Dassu | Using 64bit Stable. |
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| 19:52.16 | Pryon | ttyS1: Do you remember if the drive is in fstab as /dev/sda or /dev/hda? |
| 19:52.50 | sash_ | Dassu: try gecko-mediaplayer. can play much more and much better than mplayerplugin here |
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| 19:53.25 | ttyS1 | I'm pretty sure it was hda |
| 19:54.10 | ttyS1 | Pryon: there were no sata ports on the old motherboard and there are non in the new one either |
| 19:54.16 | Pryon | ah |
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| 19:54.38 | sash_ | Dassu: what is this scripts name? |
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| 19:56.21 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 19:56.25 | jamesbond-4711 | two questions: |
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| 19:56.53 | jamesbond-4711 | 1) Can I make a server install (without GUI) on a machine with only 256 MB of RAM? |
| 19:57.03 | silidan | how can i get a list of all current environment variables and their values in debian? |
| 19:57.10 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: yes. |
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| 19:57.22 | jamesbond-4711 | 2) How do I do a server install? What do I have to choose in the installation dialoges? |
| 19:57.30 | asg | silidan: env |
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| 19:58.03 | Pryon | ttyS1: how many disks in the machine? |
| 19:58.09 | Pryon | (physical) |
| 19:58.14 | silidan | asg thanks... |
| 19:58.17 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: if you don't know exactly what you're going to need on the server, just do a base install. Perhaps ssh too. |
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| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: (I'm assuming the machine is going to need remote access) |
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| 19:58.41 | Pryon | ttyS1: I'm just trying to figure out how, if the interface is the same, the root filesystem can't be found |
| 19:58.47 | cwheeler | is there a way to find the location of the mouse pointer in x,y coords on the screen? |
| 19:59.01 | ttyS1 | Pryon: ok I see what the problem is, it's looking for another partition. Apparently there was another drive in the machine. Grub is looking for the root partition in /dev/hdd1 |
| 19:59.01 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: I never installed debian before... - so what do I have to choose in the installation dialog? |
| 19:59.04 | Pryon | ttyS1: if you have > 1 disk and they are on different devices, that might be one problem. |
| 19:59.05 | dustybin | does this mean run everyday every 12 hours: 00 */2 * * * ? |
| 19:59.10 | silidan | and why is LD_LIBRARY_PATH empty by default? |
| 19:59.16 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: yes, ssh will be needed of course |
| 19:59.24 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: deselecting everything gives you a plain base system. |
| 19:59.28 | Pryon | silidan: because you have /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 19:59.46 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: install ssh and everything else you'll need afterwards. |
| 19:59.50 | silidan | thanks Pryon |
| 19:59.58 | asg | dustybin: it mean run every 2 hours |
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| 20:00.01 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: do I need to do an "expert install"? |
| 20:00.07 | dustybin | asg: oh nooo |
| 20:00.25 | dustybin | asg: 00 */12 * * * <-- then it should be this? |
| 20:00.27 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: I don't know. Think not. |
| 20:00.52 | jelly-home | dustybin: runs at midnight and noon. |
| 20:00.55 | asg | dustybin: yes |
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| 20:02.36 | silidan | hm... so after installing nvidia driver (the one with cuda support, should i just add the libpath to on of these conf files in /etc/ld.so.conf/*.conf? |
| 20:02.41 | sash_ | Dassu: found the script, tried it with gecko-mediaplayer. works finde |
| 20:02.43 | sash_ | fine |
| 20:02.46 | dustybin | aye perfect :D |
| 20:03.01 | bolt | Pryon: exactly the same. it doesn't give a damn. I'm trying to set "Emulate3Buttons" to "false", but it completely ignores me and pastes stuff in terminals when I push both buttons. |
| 20:03.10 | compy | can I somewhat dig up (from the apt cache) what package a certain file belongs? |
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| 20:03.33 | Pryon | compy: install apt-file |
| 20:03.33 | asg | compy: dpkg -S file |
| 20:03.34 | nsadmin | compy: install apt-file |
| 20:03.54 | compy | thanks |
| 20:04.00 | nsadmin | or if you have the file, you can use the dpkg one |
| 20:04.22 | Pryon | ttyS1: any luck? |
| 20:04.23 | nsadmin | run dpkg --help to see all the tricks dpkg can do |
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| 20:04.34 | Dassu | sash_: grrr... But thats not for firefox |
| 20:04.54 | sash_ | hmm? of course, it is |
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| 20:05.24 | sash_ | i installed it for... whats its name? forgot it. but i also use it in firefox, which is installed in /opt |
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| 20:05.42 | Pryon | silidan: Probably. Give it a shot and find owt |
| 20:05.42 | ymorin | sash_, iceweasel? |
| 20:05.53 | abrotman | beats having to tell staff about it i guess ... |
| 20:05.57 | sash_ | yes, that was it ^^ |
| 20:06.12 | cwheeler | is there a way to find the location of the mouse pointer in x,y coords on the screen? |
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| 20:06.31 | ymorin | cwheeler, for which use? bash script? |
| 20:06.32 | abrotman | cwheeler: does xev do that ? |
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| 20:07.02 | sash_ | it does |
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| 20:08.05 | ymorin | only inside xev window |
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| 20:09.17 | jelly-home | cwheeler: I'd guess #xorg might know something about X11 programming. Perhaps. |
| 20:10.10 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 20:10.34 | cwheeler | i don't need it in a program i need it to feed to ffmpeg |
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| 20:10.51 | jelly-home | xwit package has an app to _move_ the cursor, maybe it has something to read it |
| 20:11.00 | jelly-home | judd: info xwit |
| 20:11.01 | judd | jelly-home: xwit (x11): is optional; Version: 3.4-10; Size: 17.7k; Installed: 44k -- a collection of simple routines to call some X11 functions |
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| 20:15.32 | nsadmin | will judd feed you the paragraph after the summary? |
| 20:16.07 | jelly-home | judd: list |
| 20:16.08 | judd | jelly-home: Admin, Channel, Config, Judd, Misc, Network, NickCapture, Owner, Piccy, Services, and User |
| 20:16.11 | jelly-home | judd: list judd |
| 20:16.12 | judd | jelly-home: binaries, bug, builddep, changer, conflicts, danke, depends, info, maint, maintainer, popcon, rcbugs, recommends, src, suggests, uploader, and versions |
| 20:16.30 | jelly-home | doesn't look like there's a desc[ription] |
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| 20:16.36 | themill | no. It only does the short description |
| 20:16.50 | jelly-home | it isn't hard to apt-cache show foo, though |
| 20:17.06 | jelly-home | judd: danke |
| 20:17.07 | judd | jelly-home: ne dankinde |
| 20:17.55 | themill | jelly-home: ask stew.... that one is inexplicable to me too |
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| 20:18.27 | jelly-home | themill: I don't mind it |
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| 20:19.50 | ymorin | seems like " xev | grep -o "root:(.*)" | tr -d 'root:()' " has buffering... |
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| 20:21.22 | nsadmin | sure they do; all that pipe/redirect stuff uses buffered io |
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| 20:22.54 | nsadmin | do you mean the ( and ) literally? you probably have to escape them |
| 20:23.01 | ymorin | nsadmin, it only happens when I mix two pipes, one grep or or tr, seems ok |
| 20:23.25 | helo | how do i capture mouse click events? |
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| 20:23.48 | nsadmin | some commands check to see if its output pipe is to a terminal |
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| 20:25.01 | BumfunMC | hi, cpufreq doesnt work for me. cpufreq-info replies » no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU«. can anyone help please? |
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| 20:25.28 | Cryptic_Donkey | I figured out the problem with scratchey sound in you tube videos, my phione line is inneed of repair judging fromm the results of a test done by a at&t supportdesk technichian. |
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| 20:26.21 | Dassu | sash_: O_o |
| 20:26.28 | nsadmin | BumfunMC: have you tried understanding that message |
| 20:26.38 | sash_ | Dassu: ? |
| 20:26.38 | Dassu | sash_: Seems like gecko mediaplayer is unable to play anything. |
| 20:26.57 | Dassu | sash_: it simply caches till 100% and then plays nothing |
| 20:27.06 | sash_ | Dassu: misconfigurated ^^ |
| 20:27.12 | Dassu | WELL |
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| 20:27.24 | Dassu | does it write a log ? |
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| 20:27.35 | BumfunMC | nsadmin: i tried to modprobe everything important. nothing worked |
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| 20:29.39 | nsadmin | did it always repeat that same message? |
| 20:29.42 | ymorin | Dassu, does gnome-mplayer works with your video/audio links? |
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| 20:29.47 | PermissionFail | :\ |
| 20:29.58 | ymorin | :/ |
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| 20:30.02 | cuco | hi all, i have an intel wireless and i need the firmwares for those wireless devices. is there a package for this? |
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| 20:30.28 | azeem | cuco: yes |
| 20:30.39 | BumfunMC | nsadmin: yes it did |
| 20:30.48 | teliti | Hello. Someone told me that there was no firefox on Debian, its name was "iceweasel". No I had a look at iceweasel and ... is this true that the recent version in Lenny is 3.0.6 ??? |
| 20:30.50 | cuco | azeem: thanks... :) but you will probably guess my next question |
| 20:30.50 | Dassu | ymorin: Oh I see. I thought it used mplayer |
| 20:31.01 | azeem | cuco: yeah, sort of |
| 20:31.03 | Cryptic_Donkey | ~!iwifi cuco |
| 20:31.05 | azeem | !firmware |
| 20:31.05 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 20:31.08 | nsadmin | so no matter what you modprobed, it still says missing or unknown driver |
| 20:31.18 | sash_ | Dassu: dont know, but you should be able to configure caching-behaviour. |
| 20:31.23 | Cryptic_Donkey | !iwifi cuco |
| 20:31.41 | jamesbond-4711 | hi again |
| 20:31.43 | Dassu | sash_: Nah, it is 'version mismatch' |
| 20:32.07 | BumfunMC | nsadmin: what driver do i need? |
| 20:32.08 | ymorin | Dassu, on gecko-mediaplayer website: "Gecko Media Player is a browser plugin that uses GNOME MPlayer to play media in a browser." |
| 20:32.08 | Dassu | mplayer doesn't understand gnome-mplayer |
| 20:32.08 | nsadmin | that's the question |
| 20:32.08 | jamesbond-4711 | I installed only a base system of Debian Lenny as I want to install a server (no GUI) |
| 20:32.13 | sepult`` | /quit |
| 20:32.13 | sepult`` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.15 | jamesbond-4711 | now I want to install the ssh server |
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| 20:32.34 | jamesbond-4711 | with the following command: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 20:32.38 | nsadmin | put the text of that message in google and see if you get any hits |
| 20:32.49 | sash_ | no problems here, Dassu. gecko-mediaplayer (as iceweasel-plugin) running in firefox3.5.3 on debian testing |
| 20:32.50 | teliti | Is there a more recent version of firefox than 3.0.6 available for Lenny? |
| 20:33.03 | jamesbond-4711 | problem is: that wants to install 13 packages, e.g. libx11-6 |
| 20:33.22 | jamesbond-4711 | but I don't want/need X11 stuff... - why is that? |
| 20:33.29 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: prefer "aptitude" to "apt-get". use --without-recommends to install the absolute minimum |
| 20:33.44 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: it's needed for X11Forwarding to work |
| 20:34.38 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: can I configure this --without-recommends permanently somewhere (like /etc/apt.conf)? |
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| 20:35.25 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: so "aptitude -R install openssh-server" (that -R is short version of the above) |
| 20:35.53 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: yeah, man aptitude says which /etc/apt/apt.conf it corresponds to |
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| 20:36.32 | ymorin | APT { Install-Recommends "false"; } ? |
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| 20:37.17 | jelly-home | !apt recommends |
| 20:37.18 | dpkg | Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf; or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages.. If using aptitude, see the -R option |
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| 20:37.58 | ttyS1 | Pryon: ok I see what happened, the old motherboard supported 4 devices per IDE port instead of the usual 2 devices so all the drive letter assignments where wrong. I edited grub to use /dev/hdb1 for the root file system and now it finds the root partition and loads it ok. However the rest of the partitions still have the old /dev/hdd settings. where do I change the settings for the rest of the partitions is looking for ? |
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| 20:38.41 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: recommends are a strong but not absolutely necessary dependency. Major functionality may be missing as a result, but the packages will be at least somewhat usable. I guess it's a reasonable default. |
| 20:38.54 | _Brandon_ | anyone knows if it's possible to change ext3 inode size from 256 to 128 without reformatting the partition? |
| 20:39.02 | cuco | http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware shows that iwl3945.ko does conatain an internal (compiled in) firmeware. correct? then how come when I boot debian I cannot search for wirelles networks (iwlist scan)? what am i missing? |
| 20:39.07 | teliti | Hmm, pidgin from Lenny does not connect yahoo? |
| 20:39.12 | jelly-home | as a result ... of using --without-recommends |
| 20:39.14 | nsadmin | ttyS1: /etc/fstab |
| 20:39.21 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: you mean I sould install x11 libraries on a server that is on the internet? |
| 20:39.31 | nsadmin | and you should look into UUIDs |
| 20:40.32 | ttyS1 | nsadmin: got it, thanks :) |
| 20:40.40 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: no, I mean you can use -R to install ssh, and reevalute the depends for other packages instead of putting an automatic without-recommends. |
| 20:40.49 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: when I try "aptitude -R install openssh-Server" I am prompted to insert a CD-ROM... (!) |
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| 20:41.05 | jamesbond-4711 | s/Server/server/ |
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| 20:41.22 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: that's normal since there's a cdrom line in sources.list by default |
| 20:41.34 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: comment it out |
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| 20:41.51 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: redo aptitude update afterwards |
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| 20:42.18 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: OK - what else should I comment out? |
| 20:42.29 | jelly-home | that's it. |
| 20:42.51 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: I have: lenny main, lenny/updates main, lenny/volatile main |
| 20:43.00 | jelly-home | jamesbond-4711: keep them all. |
| 20:43.04 | jamesbond-4711 | ok |
| 20:43.48 | objorn | where can i get a listing of words and definitions for the /usr/share/dict/words file? |
| 20:43.48 | cuco | cuco: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 20:47.21 | objorn | in the package wamerican |
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| 20:50.17 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly-home: thx for your help! (I guess I have to study an aptitude tutorial next) |
| 20:50.23 | objorn | but wamerican doesn't provide definitions |
| 20:50.41 | _anna | hi there, just a quick question, what's up with kernel 2.6.31 in unstable? There is that -trunk package that I don't get. |
| 20:51.22 | _anna | So is that the real one: linux-image-2.6.31-trunk-amd64 |
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| 20:53.15 | cusco | hi |
| 20:53.22 | cusco | what software do you recomend to cache dns |
| 20:53.33 | cusco | and forward it like a dns server |
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| 20:53.47 | cusco | dnsmasq? pdnsd? |
| 20:54.01 | bzrk | bind? |
| 20:54.07 | jelly-home | cusco: dnscache (from djbdns) |
| 20:54.18 | jelly-home | judd: info dnscache-run |
| 20:54.18 | judd | jelly-home: dnscache-run (net): is optional; Version: 1:1.05-4; Size: 11.5k; Installed: 144k -- djbdns dnscache service |
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| 20:55.11 | cusco | jelly-home: yea I found it while searching packages, where is teh configuration file at? |
| 20:55.21 | jelly-home | cusco: what configuration file? :-) |
| 20:55.32 | cusco | it says it listens on localhost by default |
| 20:55.36 | cusco | :p |
| 20:55.45 | cusco | on the packages description |
| 20:55.58 | jelly-home | cusco: oh. I guess the package contents will be self-exaplanatory |
| 20:56.13 | jelly-home | in othe words, I installed it, configured and forgot |
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| 20:57.05 | cusco | jelly-home: ok I edited /etc/dnscache/env/IP |
| 20:57.10 | cusco | how do I restart the service? |
| 20:57.20 | jelly-home | cusco: ah. I only use if for localhost. |
| 20:57.50 | jelly-home | cusco: svc -t /etc/sv/dnscache |
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| 20:58.08 | d_b | I'm about to install the latest version of Google Earth on Debian Lenny 64-bit, it wants to install to /home/user/ . What's the usual place to install software? I only ever use apt so I don't know :) |
| 20:58.09 | jelly-home | cusco: if it's using DJB's daemontools |
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| 20:59.31 | jelly-home | cusco: if "svstat /etc/dnscache" says it's running, you can do svc -t on that directory as well. I'm not sure where the service directory goes by default in debian |
| 20:59.44 | jelly-home | uses the upstream default of /service/ |
| 20:59.58 | cusco | /etc/dnscache: up (pid 6720) 37 seconds |
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| 21:00.23 | cusco | it is still only listening in localhsot |
| 21:01.21 | cusco | I mean, it changed my /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 and I can't access anything |
| 21:01.32 | cusco | it needs configuration to know where to get dns from right? |
| 21:01.41 | jelly-home | cusco: didn't you just disable listening on localhost? |
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| 21:02.42 | jelly-home | cusco: what does lsof -p [pid-of-dnscache] show it listening on? |
| 21:02.47 | cusco | jelly-home: I changed it to 192.168.2.10, setting that on /etc/resolv.conf does not work neither |
| 21:03.05 | jelly-home | cusco: you'll have to allow access from your own ip |
| 21:03.53 | jelly-home | cusco: man dnscache, or just touch /etc/dnscache/root/ip/clients-ip |
| 21:03.55 | cusco | dnscache 6725 Gdnscache 4u IPv4 27443 TCP desenvolvimento:domain (LISTEN) |
| 21:04.06 | jelly-home | cusco: add a -n to lsof options, sorry |
| 21:04.27 | cusco | -n does not work |
| 21:04.34 | jelly-home | lsof -n -p 6725? |
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| 21:04.56 | jelly-home | still saying "desenvolvimento" instead of the ip? |
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| 21:06.34 | cusco | dnscache 6725 Gdnscache 4u IPv4 27443 TCP 192.168.2.10:domain (LISTEN |
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| 21:06.38 | cusco | domain is 53 |
| 21:06.43 | cusco | on 192.168.2.10 |
| 21:06.49 | jelly-home | cusco: so it _is_ listening on the given ip. |
| 21:06.51 | cusco | let me nmap it |
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| 21:07.07 | cusco | 53/tcp open domain |
| 21:07.08 | cusco | yap |
| 21:07.18 | jelly-home | cusco: just rtfm, things will be clearer |
| 21:07.23 | cusco | but I can't search dns records still |
| 21:07.36 | cusco | ; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 21:08.02 | cusco | No manual entry for dnscache-run |
| 21:08.05 | jelly-home | cusco: you have to tell it which client IPs or ranges are allowed to query it. |
| 21:08.10 | jelly-home | cusco: man dnscache |
| 21:08.16 | cusco | neither |
| 21:08.46 | cusco | sorry wrong machine |
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| 21:08.48 | cusco | ok |
| 21:09.23 | jelly-home | !spank cusco |
| 21:09.23 | dpkg | bends cusco over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 21:09.43 | cusco | :P |
| 21:10.12 | cusco | ok it queries, but do i have to have a file for each IP or can I set a range like you said? I will read the manpage nao |
| 21:10.15 | cusco | now |
| 21:10.18 | cusco | thanks |
| 21:10.58 | JohnConnor | now |
| 21:10.59 | JohnConnor | thanks |
| 21:10.59 | jelly-home | cusco: ip/192.168.2 works for all the 256 addresses in that segment |
| 21:11.06 | JohnConnor | cusco: ip/192.168.2 works for all the 256 addresses in that segment |
| 21:11.10 | jelly-home | !ops JohnConnor is an idiot |
| 21:11.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: JohnConnor is an idiot |
| 21:11.12 | cusco | ah thanks |
| 21:11.18 | JohnConnor | shut up nigger |
| 21:11.23 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 21:11.24 | jelly-home | shut up nigger |
| 21:11.30 | azeem | jelly-home: eh? |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | JohnConnor: knock it off |
| 21:11.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: we have a repeater troll |
| 21:11.39 | JohnConnor | jelly-home: eh? |
| 21:11.41 | JohnConnor | JohnConnor: knock it off |
| 21:11.44 | JohnConnor | abrotman: we have a repeater troll |
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| 21:11.53 | azeem | gah |
| 21:11.53 | cusco | bang bang |
| 21:12.06 | KB1JWQ | Ugh, not that guy again. |
| 21:12.07 | azeem | jelly-home: that was a pretty bad line to repeat |
| 21:12.11 | cusco | just make an alias, its quicker :P |
| 21:12.25 | jelly-home | azeem: yeah |
| 21:13.04 | jelly-home | he's terminated now, so all's well |
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| 21:16.40 | haqe28 | hi, im having some trouble installing flash for iceweasel. i have tried flashplayer-mozilla from debian multimedia, and the libflashplayer.so file is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
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| 21:17.05 | haqe28 | but still iceweasel finds no plugin, and it is not shown on about:plugins |
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| 21:18.47 | cusco | jelly-home: sorry but I can't find this on the manpage |
| 21:18.52 | cusco | how to add custom records? |
| 21:18.58 | jelly-home | cusco: you can't |
| 21:19.00 | cusco | like our-site.com 192.168.2.5 |
| 21:19.02 | cusco | ARGH! |
| 21:19.12 | jelly-home | cusco: you said a cache! |
| 21:19.16 | cusco | it could at least read /etc/hosts |
| 21:19.32 | jelly-home | that's pdnsd you're talking about |
| 21:20.19 | jelly-home | cusco: what you _can_ do, is use djbdns (an authoritative dns _only_), and make dnscache ask it for all the 192.168.2 queries |
| 21:20.30 | adb | haqe28, put it in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 21:23.14 | jelly-home | cusco: er, tinydns is the name of the authoritative dns part. |
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| 21:23.38 | jelly-home | cusco: tinydns-conf can be used for an initial setup of the service |
| 21:23.52 | M4NN4 | http://hiphoprising.blogspot.com/ |
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| 21:26.07 | jelly-home | cusco: I found pdnsd to be slightly unreliable (sometimes it died) |
| 21:26.46 | jelly-home | djbdns hasn't let me down so far... but then again it runs under daemontools which restart the service automatically if it dies |
| 21:26.53 | haqe28 | adb: thanks, working fine now |
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| 21:35.46 | cusco | jelly-home: tidydns for authorative dns ? |
| 21:36.40 | [Work]Ninja | has anyone gotten photoshop ps3 to work in wine on lenny? |
| 21:36.49 | cusco | so I would set custom dns entryes in tidydns? |
| 21:36.57 | simonrvn | what's wrong with the gimp? |
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| 21:37.48 | cusco | I mean tinydns |
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| 21:38.38 | helo | anyone know what might cause the character i type following 'Enter' to be skipped every time? |
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| 21:39.18 | [Work]Ninja | simonrvn: its not the same :( even with the gimpshop addition |
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| 21:41.08 | paipimenta | hello folks, I'm trying to follow this page to update my BIOS... http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html |
| 21:41.28 | simonrvn | [Work]Ninja: check winehq.org they have a supported apps thing |
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| 21:42.10 | abrotman | paipimenta: was there a question there? |
| 21:42.34 | sepult | paipimenta: are you sure you want to do that ? |
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| 21:43.05 | sepult | paipimenta: why not send your mb manufacturer a dear letter to send you a copy of the newest available bios ? |
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| 21:43.10 | [Work]Ninja | simonrvn: unless you know of a way to make gimp be nicer to me |
| 21:43.57 | sepult | paipimenta: maybe some 10-20$ with porto |
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| 21:46.01 | jamesbond-4711 | habe mir die Preferences in aptitude angesehen |
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| 21:46.14 | jamesbond-4711 | wie kann ich die wieder verlassen und meine Änderungen übernehmen? |
| 21:46.31 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:46.37 | sepult | jamesbond-4711: q |
| 21:46.44 | sepult | jamesbond-4711: or ESC |
| 21:46.55 | paipimenta | however, I DO have a floppy.... now that I have the image mounted on /tmp/floppy, how do I transfer this image to my /dev/fd0? |
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| 21:47.20 | silus | guys |
| 21:47.46 | simonrvn | !de |
| 21:47.46 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 21:47.55 | silus | im having a small issue everytime i try and install mozilla thunderbird i get the following issue: |
| 21:47.55 | silus | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 21:47.56 | silus | is only available from another source |
| 21:47.56 | silus | E: Package mozilla-thunderbird has no installation candidate |
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| 21:48.07 | themill | dpkg: tell silus about paste |
| 21:48.12 | abrotman | silus: paste.debian.net |
| 21:48.24 | silus | ok sorry |
| 21:48.26 | simonrvn | [Work]Ninja: um, how would i know to do that if i don't know what you want? |
| 21:48.30 | silus | but anyone know what causes the issue? |
| 21:48.35 | themill | silus: you probably want "icedove" anyway |
| 21:48.35 | \amethyst | paipimenta: unmount it, then cat theimage.144 > /tmp/floppy |
| 21:48.39 | silus | what sources list should i be using? |
| 21:48.48 | silus | themill i prefer thunderbird and firefox |
| 21:49.00 | \amethyst | paipimenta: oops |
| 21:49.00 | \amethyst | paipimenta: unmount it, then cat theimage.144 > /dev/fd0 |
| 21:49.00 | paipimenta | \amethyst: thank you so much |
| 21:49.00 | [Work]Ninja | simonrvn: I want something that works as well and is as well organized and usable as photoshop cs3 for debian |
| 21:49.00 | jelly-home | cusco: yeah, that's the idea. configure tinydns to have data for yourinternaldomain.com and 192.168.2, and let dnscache know whom to ask for those two |
| 21:49.08 | themill | silus: debian doesn't have either in the repositories. |
| 21:49.11 | paipimenta | :>) sorry, wife always interrrupts my IRC... but heaven forbid I interrupt her facebook time |
| 21:49.13 | silus | oh i see |
| 21:49.14 | [Work]Ninja | its one of the few apps left that I still have to use windows for |
| 21:49.19 | silus | themill the how do people install it? |
| 21:49.24 | cusco | jelly-home: can you help me a bit more? |
| 21:49.28 | silus | can you tell me what sources list i should be using please? |
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| 21:49.37 | themill | silus: you install iceweasel and icedove. |
| 21:49.38 | cusco | tinydns-conf: usage: tinydns-conf acct logacct /tinydns myip |
| 21:49.47 | pipegeek | is it known when gnu screen 4.1 is likely to be released? |
| 21:49.58 | abrotman | pipegeek: ask #gnu ? |
| 21:50.01 | silus | themill i dont get it why? |
| 21:50.02 | abrotman | runs |
| 21:50.08 | pipegeek | kk |
| 21:50.13 | silus | pokes abrotman |
| 21:50.20 | abrotman | hi? |
| 21:50.38 | silus | any help |
| 21:50.49 | silus | i think i have my sources list wrong any idea what list i should be using |
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| 21:50.52 | silus | ? |
| 21:51.00 | paipimenta | see you on reboot.... hopefully with a new BIOS!! |
| 21:51.05 | simonrvn | [Work]Ninja: i can't answer that i've never used that, nor do i have a need for it. gimp has all the plguins i could ever want, plus decent layers, and everything else other PSes have had. |
| 21:51.07 | themill | silus: there's nothing wrong with your sources.list. /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
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| 21:51.56 | karmatronic | is it just me or the channel has less ...action |
| 21:51.56 | silus | oh i see |
| 21:51.56 | silus | ok |
| 21:52.09 | silus | and the sources list for some reason i only have 2 |
| 21:52.14 | silus | that cant be right can it |
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| 21:53.07 | jelly-home | cusco: create a system user and group to run tinydns under; set up a separate IP address on the machine, for tinydns to listen on (it cannot use the same ip as dnscache), then run tinydns-conf user group /etc/sv/tinydns ip |
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| 21:53.22 | helo | i added an entry for tty8 to run a script which launches 'startx'... and now the keypress following return is skipped every other time |
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| 21:53.43 | helo | (added to inittab) |
| 21:53.46 | [Work]Ninja | simonrvn: *sigh* I suppose I'll try my hand at gimp again, *curses* |
| 21:53.51 | Inazad | hi, I have some problem booting on my Vista (i know...), its said it cannot find vistaload.exe or something like that |
| 21:53.55 | jelly-home | cusco: oh. does a directory like /etc/sv exist? or /var/service or /var/*/service or /service? |
| 21:54.25 | cusco | jelly-home: /etc/sv exists but only dnscache in it |
| 21:54.27 | simonrvn | [Work]Ninja: what i do with mine is customise the layout... i don't even remember the original layout for the gimp =). |
| 21:54.34 | cusco | im updatingdb to find where tinydns is |
| 21:54.53 | simonrvn | dpkg -L foo |
| 21:54.54 | dpkg | ii foo 2.7-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:55.25 | [Work]Ninja | simonrvn: do you have any documents or anything like that on good indepth look and feel customization for it? |
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| 21:55.34 | cr3rzemjest | hello |
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| 21:55.42 | cusco | jelly-home: no there are no dirs with tinydns only bin/ |
| 21:55.53 | jelly-home | cusco: that's good, tinydns-conf will create /etc/tinydns with the setup |
| 21:56.08 | cusco | but what arguments to I use in tinydns |
| 21:56.11 | cusco | but what arguments to I use in tinydns-conf |
| 21:56.19 | cusco | tinydns-conf acct logacct /tinydns myip |
| 21:56.34 | cusco | is myip localhost only? so dnscache will query it? |
| 21:56.38 | jelly-home | cusco: create a system user and group to run tinydns under; set up a separate IP address on the machine, for tinydns to listen on (it cannot use the same ip as dnscache), then run tinydns-conf user group /etc/tinydns ip |
| 21:56.53 | simonrvn | [Work]Ninja: no, but check out their site. me i did it by experimenting. |
| 21:57.17 | jelly-home | cusco: it could be localhost, but a separate different real IP is canonically used |
| 21:57.24 | [Work]Ninja | ok |
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| 21:57.59 | cusco | Adding user dns to group dns ... done |
| 21:58.11 | cusco | 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 21:58.30 | jelly-home | I'd set up an alias interface and get tinydns working on it. |
| 21:58.46 | cusco | that might be not such good idea... |
| 21:58.51 | jelly-home | cusco: why not? |
| 21:59.01 | cr3rzemjest | how do i make suspend to ram work? i've been trying to do this from gnome,kde, commandline(s2ram) and the result is: about 10% sessions are restored after i press power button. otherwise the screen is being lit (but still black), i can hear my laptop is working but nothing happens. |
| 21:59.07 | cusco | we are currently having weird networking issues with machines with two interfaces.. |
| 21:59.23 | cusco | like both interfaces responding with the same MAC even tho ifconfig shows them with different MAC's |
| 21:59.30 | cusco | but that is another problem... |
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| 21:59.52 | jelly-home | cusco: Um... that's normal with an alias like eth0:0 |
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| 22:00.41 | cr3rzemjest | even after 1-2 minutes of waiting and pressing keys constantly |
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| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | cusco: however ifconfig shows same mac for those, so you've got something else going on. Not relevant, you may use localhost just make sure dnscache doesn't |
| 22:01.16 | cr3rzemjest | it works on my stationary pc though |
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| 22:01.43 | jamesbond-4711 | problem: inside screen, I cannot scroll up with <shift>-<PgUp> |
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| 22:03.15 | \amethyst | jamesbond-4711: use ctrl-a [ then scroll with pgup/pgdown or arrow keys |
| 22:04.59 | jamesbond-4711 | \amethyst: cool - how do I quit this scroll mode? |
| 22:05.17 | \amethyst | jamesbond-4711: q |
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| 22:06.07 | \amethyst | jamesbond-4711: you can also use space to mark the beginning/end of a region and copy it to screen's paste buffer |
| 22:06.18 | \amethyst | np |
| 22:06.21 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 22:06.51 | jamesbond-4711 | \amethyst: cool, thx |
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| 22:11.13 | jamesbond-4711 | when I was using apt some years ago on Suse, there was an option "apt policy <pacakge>" that showed which version of the package is installed an which version(s) of the package can be installed from the repositories |
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| 22:11.36 | jamesbond-4711 | but I can't find that in "apt-get -h"... (?) |
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| 22:11.54 | zleap | jamesbond-4711, i thought suse used rpm's and yast |
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| 22:12.17 | simonrvn | jamesbond-4711: apt-cache ... |
| 22:12.24 | zleap | someone said earlier that apt-get -h was debian specific |
| 22:12.35 | jamesbond-4711 | zleap: yes, that's true, but there was a port of apt for rpm |
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| 22:12.43 | zleap | cool |
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| 22:12.57 | Inazad | hi there, I cannot load into my vista after installing debian... its said coulnt load winload.exe |
| 22:13.16 | jamesbond-4711 | simonrvn: yes, that's what I was looking for - thx! |
| 22:13.18 | BumfunMC | rofl :D |
| 22:13.40 | BumfunMC | is winload.exe now included in debian nonfree? |
| 22:13.45 | Inazad | lol |
| 22:13.47 | zleap | Inazad, we see debian as an upgrade to vista |
| 22:14.01 | jelly-home | zleap: that's not funny |
| 22:14.08 | zleap | ok sorry |
| 22:14.14 | Inazad | zleap, yeah lol but why I cant boot on it ? |
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| 22:14.33 | zleap | not sure, i don't use windows, |
| 22:14.47 | zleap | i take it you have a boot menu thing |
| 22:14.56 | Inazad | yeah grub |
| 22:15.10 | zleap | can you boot from the windows cd adn repair, then restore grub later after windows trashes the bootloader |
| 22:15.28 | Inazad | I think I cannot boot vista from the grub |
| 22:15.36 | Inazad | I have to use the vista boot loader |
| 22:15.38 | zleap | ok |
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| 22:15.44 | jelly-home | Inazad: is there an entry of it in grub at the present time? |
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| 22:15.53 | chellomere | Inazad, vista can be booted from grub. I do that. |
| 22:15.54 | Inazad | jelly-home, yeah |
| 22:15.54 | jelly-home | for* it (vista) |
| 22:16.05 | Inazad | I'll copy you menu.lst |
| 22:16.11 | simonrvn | chainload |
| 22:16.16 | lex | Friendly debian geeks: anyone knows of a good media serving protocol/server that will work on this new wifi enabled teeveees? |
| 22:16.27 | lex | Who can serve it anyho |
| 22:16.38 | jelly-home | Inazad: have you done a partition resize, shrinking of the vista partition before installing debian? |
| 22:16.44 | Inazad | yeah |
| 22:17.29 | jelly-home | Inazad: partition resizes are notorious for messing with the data :-| |
| 22:17.37 | Inazad | http://pastebin.ca/1616678 |
| 22:17.53 | jelly-home | Inazad: have you booted into windows at least once after the resize? |
| 22:17.58 | Inazad | yeah |
| 22:18.06 | Inazad | and its working |
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| 22:18.08 | jelly-home | ok, so that wasn't it :-) |
| 22:18.17 | Inazad | but after installing debian, cannot boot anymore :S |
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| 22:19.16 | Inazad | what I have to do ? |
| 22:20.01 | jelly-home | Inazad: can you also pastebin your sfdisk -d /dev/sda (or hda, whatever your disk is)? |
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| 22:21.02 | Inazad | http://pastebin.ca/1616689 |
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| 22:21.09 | Inazad | i got 2 bootable partition :S ? |
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| 22:21.55 | dlynes | When using -R and -f -N, does ssh have a timeout? My tunnels seem to be shutting down after a given period of time |
| 22:22.15 | Inazad | how to install the grub on the mbr |
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| 22:22.45 | Inazad | dont know :S |
| 22:23.31 | Inazad | my Vistsa root partition is on the hd0,2 on the menu.lst |
| 22:24.01 | catsup_ | dlynes: look into -o ServerAliveInterval |
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| 22:24.14 | dlynes | catsup_: thanks...much appreciated |
| 22:24.23 | Inazad | jelly-home, so, what can we do ? |
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| 22:25.32 | jelly-home | Inazad: No idea. You can remove the bootable bit off the debian partition, linux doesn't care about those. What's that first small partition for? |
| 22:25.39 | dustybin | what program uses .ccache ? |
| 22:25.42 | Snewp | anyone using psybnc ? it seems that once it will be disconnected on the network it will not connect again. process is still running. i have to kill the app and restart again. i'm using debian lenny. i'm using the new version of psybnc too. |
| 22:25.47 | valdyn | Inazad: the bootable flag is irrelevant |
| 22:25.55 | Supaplex | !ccache |
| 22:25.55 | dpkg | well, ccache is a compiler cache, for speeding up code recompilation. To use it, see /usr/share/doc/ccache/README.Debian and INSTALLATION of ccache(1). http://ccache.samba.org/ See also <distcc>. |
| 22:25.59 | jelly-home | valdyn: for vista as well? |
| 22:26.02 | dustybin | ohh |
| 22:26.13 | Inazad | I dont know I think is for vista |
| 22:26.31 | Inazad | do I have to point it to hd0,0 instead of hd0,2 |
| 22:26.32 | Inazad | ? |
| 22:26.35 | objorn | is there a pdf to text conversion package? |
| 22:26.47 | jelly-home | Inazad: no. |
| 22:27.11 | valdyn | jelly-home: yes |
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| 22:27.25 | themill | objorn: there's pdftotext in poppler-utils |
| 22:27.31 | Inazad | we just have to point where is winload.exe ?? |
| 22:27.37 | objorn | thank you very much themill |
| 22:27.55 | valdyn | jelly-home: i only have windows 7 here, it has the bootable flag on its boot manager partition, which is never used |
| 22:28.04 | jelly-home | valdyn: windows 7 isn't vista, though |
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| 22:28.13 | jelly-home | valdyn: same bootloader mechanism? |
| 22:28.18 | Amse | bittorrent's link to the CD1 ISO of the squeeze amd64 release is broken |
| 22:28.21 | jelly-home | I've never seen vista. |
| 22:28.34 | valdyn | jelly-home: grub boots it anyway, the boot manager partition is never used |
| 22:28.54 | Inazad | valdyn, so how I can fix my vista boot problem ? |
| 22:29.33 | jelly-home | Inazad: eh, having no experience with vista, I'd google for the exact error message. |
| 22:29.42 | Inazad | hmm ok |
| 22:29.46 | Amse | snewp: you must restart the service when the connection is interrupted |
| 22:29.59 | jelly-home | valdyn: ah. Win 7 chose to write bootmgr stuff on my already-existing XP ntfs partition. |
| 22:30.01 | Inazad | jelly-home, cannot try pointing another partition ? |
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| 22:30.03 | valdyn | Inazad: i cant see the actual error |
| 22:30.27 | jelly-home | <Inazad> hi there, I cannot load into my vista after installing debian... its said coulnt load winload.exe |
| 22:30.48 | jelly-home | Inazad: write down the _exact_ error message, then hunt for that on google |
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| 22:31.55 | Snewp | Amse: connection is ok. Using the same version with different OS works fine |
| 22:32.15 | valdyn | Inazad: which one is your vista partition? |
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| 22:32.24 | Inazad | 3e |
| 22:32.28 | Inazad | 3d |
| 22:32.39 | Inazad | I think because the grub isnt on the MBR... |
| 22:32.53 | valdyn | Inazad: if grub loads then its on the mbr |
| 22:32.58 | valdyn | Inazad: if its not then its not |
| 22:33.06 | jelly-home | valdyn: not necessarily |
| 22:33.22 | valdyn | it would give a grub error if it was on the mbr and couldnt load a stage file |
| 22:33.25 | Inazad | ok |
| 22:33.32 | jelly-home | valdyn: dos mbr + bootable partition with grub on the partition mbr = bootable grub (legacy at least) |
| 22:33.34 | Inazad | so why he cannot load the file ? |
| 22:33.42 | Inazad | maybe we have to point to hd0,0 ? |
| 22:34.32 | valdyn | jelly-home: sure you can chainload grub, but he wouldnt get that setup |
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| 22:35.18 | Inazad | the winload.exe is on the sda2 |
| 22:35.37 | valdyn | Inazad: so windows should be hd0,1 |
| 22:35.42 | Inazad | ok |
| 22:35.44 | Inazad | will try it |
| 22:35.47 | Inazad | brb |
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| 22:42.25 | Inazad | cannot load to my vista |
| 22:42.44 | valdyn | Inazad: error? |
| 22:42.47 | Inazad | could not find winload.exe, if I change the menu.lst option, its said BOOTMGR missing... |
| 22:42.53 | markybob | aww. poor inazad |
| 22:43.01 | Inazad | the winload.exe is on sda2 |
| 22:43.14 | Inazad | in the menu.lst, default for win is hd0,2 (sda3) |
| 22:43.25 | Inazad | i've tried hd0,1 but error : BOOTMGR missing |
| 22:43.30 | Inazad | markybob, why ? |
| 22:43.42 | zleap | is debian 3 etch |
| 22:43.49 | valdyn | !etch |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch |
| 22:44.06 | valdyn | !fixmbr |
| 22:44.07 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>. |
| 22:44.18 | jelly-home | !tell zleap -about release history |
| 22:44.33 | Inazad | valdyn, ? |
| 22:44.34 | valdyn | Inazad: have you tried all partitions? |
| 22:44.40 | valdyn | Inazad: its not to many to try all |
| 22:44.49 | Inazad | tried hd0,0 hd0,1 hd0,2 |
| 22:44.51 | zleap | woody, buzz, squeeze and sid are testing / unstable |
| 22:44.53 | valdyn | Inazad: at least you would know that your windows boot is fucked after you tried them all |
| 22:45.12 | mesa_booger | blkid or fdisk -l or even file -s might be handy too ... |
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| 22:45.42 | Inazad | valdyn, ok so how to fix it ? |
| 22:46.04 | valdyn | Inazad: once you tried all partitions and know that you cannot boot windows you need to fix that from the windows side afaik |
| 22:46.12 | valdyn | Inazad: which google might know about, but i dont |
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| 22:46.33 | Inazad | ok |
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| 22:46.35 | Inazad | thanks |
| 22:46.38 | czesmir | hi all |
| 22:46.42 | valdyn | Inazad: and if you would indeed fix it from / for windows then you would need what dpkg said |
| 22:46.48 | valdyn | Isko: in order to get grub back |
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| 22:47.44 | mesa_booger | Inazad: i dunno if this is any help to you. my windows xp is on sda1, my debian is on sda2 - http://nopaste.com/p/aCyvyUQLj |
| 22:47.46 | PermissionFail | Anybody good with mounting/permissions? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45943&p=262290 :( |
| 22:48.36 | valdyn | PermissionFail: which filesystem is on that partition? |
| 22:48.43 | PermissionFail | Ntfs |
| 22:49.12 | valdyn | PermissionFail: ntfs-3g -o rw,force /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 22:50.36 | PermissionFail | Omg... lol... where were you 2 days ago, valdyn?!@ |
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| 22:52.51 | valdyn | why the ... is iceweasel displaying a thumbnail when im just trying to drag a tab |
| 22:55.27 | jelly-home | well you have to know just _what_ it is you're dragging |
| 22:56.04 | valdyn | yea, because the whole page im seeing doesnt make it clear ;) |
| 22:57.40 | jelly-home | valdyn: try dragging a picture off any page, same thing, guess they just like stickinh things to the cursoe |
| 22:57.44 | valdyn | to bad that gnome decided that a broken browser is better than one based on gecko also ;) |
| 22:58.06 | jelly-home | I'm using Firefox |
| 22:58.10 | valdyn | mm, for pictures i can see the point |
| 22:58.27 | dlynes | catsup_: so how long does it usually go before ssh times out the session if ServerAliveInterval isn't specified? |
| 22:58.29 | jelly-home | got fed up with Debian's version lag |
| 22:58.55 | valdyn | I always use epiphany. till gnome decided to break it |
| 22:59.11 | czesmir | valdyn: me too |
| 22:59.37 | sepult | why are browsers generally so broken ? |
| 22:59.44 | valdyn | they arent? |
| 22:59.45 | dlynes | valdyn: Opera's pretty good, too...but overall, I generally like Firefox better (the memory leaks are annoying, though) |
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| 23:00.37 | valdyn | sepult: most complex piece of software you got, i guess |
| 23:00.41 | catsup_ | dlynes: i don't know. but it's not ssh timing out. |
| 23:00.47 | catsup_ | dlynes: so it will depend |
| 23:01.13 | dlynes | catsup_: oh...you just suggested ServerAliveInterval hoping it would fix the problem? |
| 23:01.17 | dondelelcaro | dunno, libwebkit works fairly well |
| 23:01.38 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: in which browser? |
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| 23:02.00 | sepult | valdyn: never had a look at them's code... |
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| 23:03.31 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: not trying to complain about webkit because i cant tell who's at fault but epiphany is not usable |
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| 23:04.04 | dondelelcaro | dunno, I don't use epiphany |
| 23:04.49 | dondelelcaro | libwebkit works reasonably in midori |
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| 23:04.49 | silidan | does anyone here know if there is anative linux version of Enemy Territory Quake Wars available to buy? |
| 23:04.49 | markybob | dondelelcaro, does midori handle cookies yet? |
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| 23:05.21 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know of a usb self-powered dialup modem that'll work with lenny? |
| 23:05.22 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: same deal, broken, but this is sid, so duh |
| 23:05.28 | dondelelcaro | markybob: it's supported them for a while |
| 23:05.34 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: broken in what way? |
| 23:05.45 | dondelelcaro | (have you filed bugs?) |
| 23:05.59 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: cant load pages, like 404 errors |
| 23:06.05 | markybob | dondelelcaro, interesting. i opened a trouble ticket about it about 8 months ago...never got an email saying it had been resolved. i stopped using midori because of that |
| 23:06.05 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: except that the pages work fine |
| 23:06.24 | catsup_ | dlynes: it will fix the problem |
| 23:06.28 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: its in the bts. |
| 23:06.38 | catsup_ | dlynes: i'm just saying that it's not ssh doing the timing out, it's something lower level |
| 23:06.43 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: which bug? |
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| 23:08.28 | valdyn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548567 |
| 23:08.34 | sepult | catsup_: problems of what ? |
| 23:08.36 | valdyn | or i cant find my precise issue atm |
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| 23:13.27 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: ok, i figure this has *something* to do with privoxy, because not using it makes that issue go away, very strange |
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| 23:15.47 | ksnp | anyone have dovecot on encfs & fuse working ? |
| 23:16.31 | Dassu | O_O |
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| 23:17.28 | Dassu | Any ideas what should I do in order to totally reset gnome settings ? I tried to delete ~/.gnome2 without effect |
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| 23:18.17 | markybob | Dassu, try rm -rf ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd |
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| 23:18.41 | valdyn | Dassu: you have to log out of gnome and quite all instances of gconfd-2 |
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| 23:23.08 | Dassu | :/ |
| 23:23.15 | Dassu | Seems not to be gnome related problem |
| 23:23.37 | j_14 | Hello. By what mechanism are some Gnome applications allowed superuser privileges when running as normal user? I'm refering to being able to shutdown the system, changing the cpufreq governor, etc. |
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| 23:27.21 | dondelelcaro | if you think something else is going on, you'll have to actually show the output of ps axfu |
| 23:27.27 | ymorin | j_14, gdm is run as "root" so it can shutdown the system |
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| 23:27.38 | dondelelcaro | j_14: either they run as root or are setuid |
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| 23:30.42 | j_14 | ymorin, dondelelcaro: gnome-power-manager is not setuid and is not run as root, but it is still able to change the frequency governor |
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| 23:31.24 | dondelelcaro | j_14: it most likely isn't changing the governer itself |
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| 23:32.19 | ymorin | j_14, check the source code... |
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| 23:32.58 | valdyn | j_14: in which debian release? |
| 23:33.24 | j_14 | valdyn: lenny |
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| 23:33.55 | valdyn | j_14: i dont think g-p-m changes frequencies at all, not sure though |
| 23:34.35 | valdyn | j_14: however, all privilegued stuff it accesses goes via dbus, which controls access by groups, like the powerdev group |
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| 23:36.17 | j_14 | valdyn: it does, you can choose which governor to use in /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq |
| 23:36.40 | j_14 | valdyn: i'm talking about gconf... |
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| 23:39.18 | ymorin | Maybe it just ask to "hal" to do it |
| 23:39.31 | valdyn | not possible |
| 23:39.47 | pipegeek | Is there a way to tell debuild or dpkg-buildpackage to exclude certain files when building (say, .git/*)? |
| 23:41.06 | valdyn | pipegeek: that tool only calls debian/rules, it doesnt build anything by itself |
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| 23:41.23 | ymorin | like hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key cpufreq_control .... |
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| 23:41.26 | pipegeek | >_< righto |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | valdyn: i think you made it worse :) |
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| 23:42.34 | pipegeek | right, but it's dpkg-source that's complaining, and -I doesn't seem to be doing the trick |
| 23:42.40 | valdyn | ymorin: i think you need to report a bug now if that worked as a user |
| 23:44.03 | blouf | is there any way to grab video from youtbue & cie with the command line ? |
| 23:44.15 | valdyn | blouf: youtube-dl |
| 23:44.32 | blouf | valdyn: it works also with dailymotion ? |
| 23:44.44 | valdyn | tae |
| 23:44.54 | valdyn | blouf: no idea |
| 23:45.03 | ymorin | there is also "clive" |
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| 23:48.34 | pipegeek | so perhaps what I should have asked is, is there a way to get dpkg-source -b to skip over some files? |
| 23:48.45 | blouf | does all this tools work with dailymotion ? |
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| 23:48.53 | pipegeek | apparently it automatically ignores CVS/ and RCS |
| 23:49.47 | ymorin | blouf, just test theme.. clive changelog says that there was a fix in 2.2.7 |
| 23:49.58 | ymorin | s/theme/them/ |
| 23:49.58 | pipegeek | oh whoa |
| 23:50.00 | pipegeek | scroll up |
| 23:50.02 | pipegeek | -i instead of -I |
| 23:50.16 | pipegeek | whee, there we go |
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| 23:57.30 | j_14 | well it seems like it has something to do with hal and the fact that my user belongs to the powerdev group. |
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| 23:59.40 | valdyn | j_14: grep -iR powerdev /etc/dbus-1/ |