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| 00:04.02 | j_14 | valdyn: that answers my original question, thanks. |
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| 00:12.27 | gnarface | compiz-fusion users out there? |
| 00:12.56 | gnarface | i wanna know how long it will be before i can run that thing in tandem with opengl hardware acceleration |
| 00:13.02 | gnarface | (like gaming) |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | depends on your hardware i'd imagine ? |
| 00:17.38 | ksnp | anyone have dovecot on encfs & fuse working ? |
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| 00:21.32 | andyL | hello |
| 00:22.19 | andyL | do any of you guys use debian for your main desktop OS or do you mainly use it for servers |
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| 00:23.00 | spldart | I use it at work and home for both play and tinkering... As well as game, web, file server duties |
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| 00:24.06 | Supaplex | andyL: I use it pretty much everywhere I can. |
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| 00:26.52 | MariachiAC | Hello. I'm using debian squeze. How do I get system sounds working for gnome? I've got alsa installed, but I'm unable to do anything in the sounds tab when going into system preferences sound. |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | MariachiAC: install the libesd-alsa0 or whatever it is |
| 00:28.01 | MariachiAC | abrotman: It is instlaled. |
| 00:28.20 | abrotman | and your alsa works ? |
| 00:28.31 | ksnp | abrotman, do you use encfs/fuse ? |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | not relating to what you're asking |
| 00:28.43 | MariachiAC | abrotman: yes it does. I just can't get gnome system sounds working. |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | MariachiAC: ISTR that was all I had to do |
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| 00:31.01 | MariachiAC | abrotman: What is ISTR? I have the gnome-audio package installed also. |
| 00:31.08 | MariachiAC | So I don't know what's wrong. |
| 00:31.50 | abrotman | make sure all your levels are up .. install the libesd-alsa0 (you need to restart gnome after installing it i think) |
| 00:34.16 | abrotman | hrm .. i think they changed it again |
| 00:34.50 | MariachiAC | abrotman: No... That did not work. |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | heh .. i can't even find out where they hid the bit to turn on system sounds |
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| 00:37.59 | abrotman | MariachiAC: where are you turning the system sounds off/on ? |
| 00:38.11 | MariachiAC | abrotman: Oh ok... Well, if you find it... Let me know. |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | wait .. you haven't turned them on yet? |
| 00:38.36 | MariachiAC | ...in sound sound themes |
| 00:38.52 | abrotman | maybe i just don't have any sound themes installed |
| 00:39.05 | MariachiAC | hmmmm... I installed the gnome-audio package... I thought that should be enough. |
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| 00:42.38 | mase_wk | hi guys if i download the disk 1 install disk will that provide me with a basic bare bones system |
| 00:43.08 | mase_wk | just need a console and apt to work |
| 00:43.28 | markybob | mase_wk, then get the netinstall cd |
| 00:43.32 | tilen | or |
| 00:43.37 | tilen | businnescard |
| 00:43.38 | tilen | :) |
| 00:43.43 | markybob | !netinstall |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 00:43.45 | mase_wk | netinstall sounds good |
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| 00:44.38 | mase_wk | thanks |
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| 00:46.45 | tilen | !businesscard |
| 00:46.46 | dpkg | The "businesscard" CD image is a minimal Debian installer (about 50MB) that *requires* an Internet connection to finish installation of the base system. The BC image can be used to install various versions of Debian directly. A better option is likely the <netinst> image, which does not require Internet to get the base install. Does not support installation over <PPP>, use netinst. Also ask about <install debian>. |
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| 00:58.52 | supertan1er | Hi; I'm having trouble with my soundcard. It seems to work, but no audio comes out. I know that sounds weird, lemme explain a bit more. |
| 00:59.14 | supertan1er | I can go and turn the 'capture' option in the Recording tab of Kmix up high, and it starts feeding back through the speakers, so I know it's not a physical connection error and I know that the software can adjust the volume levels of the card. |
| 00:59.21 | supertan1er | But it won't play back and I'm having trouble figuring out why. |
| 00:59.28 | supertan1er | I've tried timidity and audacity for audio. |
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| 01:00.35 | supertan1er | Oh, uh |
| 01:00.40 | supertan1er | The sound card was working before |
| 01:01.04 | supertan1er | I enabled the internal soundcard by accident (The external one is an SB Live) and after disabling the internal one again the external one refuses to work. |
| 01:01.26 | supertan1er | I enabled the internal one in the first place because I did something to the Tone controls in kmix that made my audio sound like utter shiiiii--takemushrooms. |
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| 01:02.00 | supertan1er | Any ideas? |
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| 01:09.35 | angel__ | how can i use apt-get install unstable package |
| 01:10.00 | pd_tsc | how do i tell xrandr to use my vga output @ 640x480? |
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| 01:10.23 | pd_tsc | the --help says "-s (size)/(width)x(height) but that makes no sense to me, what is (size) ? |
| 01:10.27 | Mano_Chao | angel... adicione os repositorios unstable |
| 01:10.47 | Mano_Chao | alguem do brasil ae??? |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | angel__: mixing versions of debian is bad |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:11.14 | jaggz | pd_tsc: preset names like "vga" for 640x480 and such.. they're listed somewhere but I don't see it in the manpage |
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| 01:11.21 | angel__ | i append 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 01:11.22 | angel__ | ' into /etc/apt/sources-list, then apt-get udpate |
| 01:11.27 | jaggz | just use w x h form if in doubt I figure. |
| 01:11.36 | angel__ | but i can't find the package i want, it is clisp-2.48 |
| 01:11.43 | jaggz | -s vga or -s 640x480 |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | angel__: which version of debian are you using? |
| 01:12.20 | angel__ | newest version |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | that doesn't mean a thing to me .. which version |
| 01:12.43 | jaggz | I've never changed size with xrandr, just fiddled with my lcd/external.. had problems actually accomplishing it too so I ended up using a wrapper script which only let me navigate between its modes.. I'm not sure why I had problems manually picking what I wanted |
| 01:12.54 | jaggz | abrotman, vista |
| 01:13.02 | jaggz | Debian Vista |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | jaggz: not funny |
| 01:13.08 | jaggz | haha.. sorry :) |
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| 01:15.11 | angel__ | it's debian_5.03 |
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| 01:15.35 | abrotman | angel__: there's no reason to msg me |
| 01:15.39 | supertan1er | Got it working |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | angel__: do NOT put that line in your sources.list .. your box will have issues |
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| 01:16.21 | angel__ | how can i do |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | do what? |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | mixing versions of debian will break your system |
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| 01:17.15 | angel__ | but i need the newest clisp, the current clisp is too old |
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| 01:17.52 | abrotman | !tell angel__ about ssb |
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| 01:17.58 | markybob | angel__, so...backport it yourself. although if you dont care about your system breaking, go for it |
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| 01:18.02 | markybob | this should be fun |
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| 01:18.27 | angel__ | i don't care.^_^ |
| 01:18.46 | markybob | angel__, then you shouldnt assume that we care....thus go away |
| 01:18.53 | angel__ | when i update the source, i can't find the newest package |
| 01:19.10 | dvs | markybob, naughty, naughty ;-) |
| 01:19.29 | sway | thank you guys |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | really .. you don't care? so basically you need the newest clisp .. but your system will stop working .. great plan |
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| 01:20.01 | dvs | we'll care.he'll be back here!!! |
| 01:21.38 | angel__ | thanks all |
| 01:24.22 | dvs | thinks there's one more screwed up system. |
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| 01:26.40 | abrotman | it will be :) |
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| 01:52.07 | dekatch | Well, hi #debian! i need help! here " http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/zabbix " is explained that zabbix 1.6.6 is available trough packagemanager but when i try to apt-get this i only have 1.4 version of zabbix |
| 01:52.10 | dekatch | how to fix? |
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| 01:53.16 | abrotman | dekatch: which version of debian are you running ? |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | judd: versions zabbix |
| 01:53.24 | judd | abrotman: zabbix -- |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | judd: versions zabbix-source |
| 01:53.28 | judd | abrotman: zabbix-source -- |
| 01:53.46 | dekatch | i am using 5.0.3 |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | judd: versions zabbix-server-pgsql |
| 01:54.00 | judd | abrotman: zabbix-server-pgsql -- etch: 1:1.1.4-10etch1 etch-security: 1:1.1.4-10etch1 lenny: 1:1.4.6-1 squeeze: 1:1.6.6-1 sid: 1:1.6.6-2 |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | dekatch: that's lenny, not squeeze |
| 01:54.24 | dekatch | -.- :( |
| 01:54.29 | dekatch | i want also 1.6.6 |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | you want both ? |
| 01:54.50 | dekatch | i want zabbix 1.6.6 trough packagemanager |
| 01:54.55 | dekatch | for lenny |
| 01:55.01 | KMILo | hola |
| 01:55.05 | KMILo | alguien habla español |
| 01:55.18 | dkr | !es |
| 01:55.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:55.47 | KMILo | !es |
| 01:55.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:56.02 | dekatch | can you tell me what debian squeeze is? is it higher then lenny? or just another ? |
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| 01:56.37 | dkr | !versions |
| 01:56.55 | dkr | dekatch: lenny is current stable. squeeze is current testing |
| 01:56.57 | dekatch | !versions |
| 01:57.05 | dekatch | ok |
| 01:57.08 | dekatch | !version |
| 01:57.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 01:57.14 | dekatch | :=) :P |
| 01:57.36 | dekatch | or was the wrong info xD |
| 01:57.48 | dekatch | -r +h "oh" |
| 01:58.06 | dkr | yeah, wrong factoid, was thinking of one that explains all the current codenames |
| 01:58.13 | dekatch | will be squezze debian 6 ? |
| 01:58.17 | dkr | !squeeze |
| 01:58.17 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 01:58.32 | dekatch | ok! debian 6 |
| 01:58.48 | dkr | ah, that's the word I was looking for |
| 01:58.50 | dkr | !codenames |
| 01:58.50 | dpkg | [codenames] buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0)=Testing, sid=Unstable or see <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews |
| 01:58.56 | dekatch | :=) |
| 01:59.18 | dekatch | well, make a new one "!botavailabilities |
| 01:59.31 | dekatch | :) ^^ |
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| 02:00.52 | dekatch | linux has to be more linux! i really would like to see more support for fvwm desktops or xfce or fvwm-crystal! not that kde windowsclone |
| 02:01.30 | dekatch | i really love fvwm-crsytal. |
| 02:01.40 | dekatch | some of you knows about clearOS ? |
| 02:01.58 | dekatch | ive installed it but its look like it is just an browser |
| 02:02.04 | gnarface | dekatch: no, but on principle you are 100% right and deserve to be sainted or at least martyred |
| 02:02.23 | dekatch | huh? |
| 02:02.30 | dekatch | linux needs a shell |
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| 02:02.32 | dekatch | :) |
| 02:02.36 | gnarface | it has a shell |
| 02:02.39 | gnarface | its called bash |
| 02:02.42 | dekatch | i know |
| 02:02.55 | dekatch | but overloaded imo but not important |
| 02:03.05 | dekatch | just my oppinion |
| 02:03.10 | gnarface | no i'm with you |
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| 02:03.36 | gnarface | i fully agree i'm just trying to highlight the futility of your argument before someone actually martyrs you for it |
| 02:04.45 | dekatch | the ones who are try to run linux as linux would more love it! it saves alot of ressources |
| 02:05.12 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 02:05.30 | dekatch | it is just right to do a right click and my shells opens. on kde or gnome you need to hit a button or two |
| 02:05.34 | dekatch | !!! |
| 02:05.34 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:06.26 | dekatch | well, anyway! :) |
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| 02:06.32 | mase_wk | isn't the whole point of free software that you can pick and choose what suits you best ? |
| 02:06.48 | mase_wk | if you don't like kde / gnome etc.. .the you can just not install it |
| 02:06.50 | dkr | not the whole point, but it is an advantage |
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| 02:07.57 | mase_wk | well the point is freedom, and one of the side effects of the 4 freedoms is that you can choose what you want to run |
| 02:08.23 | mase_wk | so if you don't like bash you can use ash or zsh / whatever |
| 02:08.50 | mase_wk | pretty much everything is in debian so it's made pretty straightforward to switch out applications |
| 02:09.41 | dekatch | who knows about clearOS |
| 02:09.42 | dekatch | ? |
| 02:10.09 | dekatch | ie installed it but i have no idea what to do with it ! |
| 02:10.49 | dekatch | the desktop environment is opened in firefox and no options to open applications |
| 02:12.04 | gnarface | i still use e16 but i consider it a character flaw that i can't tolerate anything else |
| 02:12.21 | gnarface | one day i suspect e17 will attain my minimum par though |
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| 02:12.44 | gnarface | perhaps one day soon as the debian sid packages are enticing |
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| 02:13.18 | dekatch | Why Zabbix is available to "testing" and not for stable ! thats isnt nice |
| 02:13.29 | dekatch | more spport for testing releases :X |
| 02:13.37 | dekatch | (1.6.6) |
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| 02:13.57 | dekatch | can i take a look when zabbix 1.6.6 is available for lenny too? |
| 02:14.51 | Mustu | hello! I am trying to install Debian 5 but it's not detecting my SCSI hdd... any clue? |
| 02:15.49 | Arrowmaster | dekatch: it will probably never be available in lenny, stable only gets security updates not updates with new features |
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| 02:16.12 | dekatch | Mustu, ive had problems with i386 and amd64 |
| 02:16.30 | dekatch | take a look if you install the right architekktur |
| 02:16.52 | dekatch | thats bad! |
| 02:16.54 | Mustu | dekatch yes i m sure of arch .. its i386 |
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| 02:17.29 | dekatch | honestly :) i am happy that my installation is running, i have no further ideas! |
| 02:17.39 | dekatch | sorry, |
| 02:17.50 | Mustu | dekatch: i've been running CentOS on this system n it detects SCSI with no issue.. but seems debian requires some parameter to for SCSI ?? |
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| 02:18.20 | dekatch | i cant tell you! i am not much experienced with it! |
| 02:18.46 | abrotman | Mustu: what is the controller? |
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| 02:18.54 | dekatch | but i remembered to my installation. i386 wasnt able to detect all of my hardware! |
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| 02:20.46 | Mustu | abrotman: in BIOS setup it says IBA |
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| 02:22.48 | Mustu | abrotman: u there? |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | yes .. that doesn't tell me much |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | do you know which driver makes it work on fedora ? |
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| 02:24.01 | Mustu | abrotman; don't mind but i think it's not Scsi its a sata hdd... |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | maybe the lenny kernel is too old |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 02:24.14 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 02:25.06 | Mustu | abrotman: its a Western Digital Sata HDD |
| 02:28.01 | Mustu | ok.. i will try |
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| 02:28.16 | Mustu | but plz tell me .. for a minimal installation how many cds i need to burn ..? |
| 02:28.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | 1 |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | the netinst .. 160MB |
| 02:28.26 | Mustu | there r 36 cds .. |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | there what? |
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| 02:30.39 | Mustu | abrotman: i downlaoded the 1st CD and burnt it on CD .. so its useless now? |
| 02:31.53 | LtL | Mustu: I use a WD Sata and cd #1 lenny installed perfectly. |
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| 02:33.03 | Laughing_God | Is that true i can make own shell using Linux OS? |
| 02:33.38 | markybob | Laughing_God, didnt your mom ever tell you? you can do anything you put your mind to |
| 02:34.04 | Laughing_God | Grrr~ |
| 02:34.07 | Laughing_God | Nop |
| 02:34.08 | Laughing_God | :( |
| 02:34.23 | bzip3 | thats the beauty of open source, you can do almost anything!!! |
| 02:34.27 | markybob | Laughing_God, too bad. you can still do anything you want to in linux |
| 02:34.28 | ymorin | his Mom know him... |
| 02:34.34 | bzip3 | doest exists yeat? do it yourself! |
| 02:34.44 | markybob | ymorin, good point |
| 02:35.35 | Laughing_God | Is there any guideline or PDF or tutorial to make shel?l |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | Mustu: no, that CD should also be able to install it |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | Laughing_God: using which OS? |
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| 02:36.17 | Laughing_God | Ubuntu |
| 02:36.24 | markybob | Laughing_God, um, you wouldnt. you'd get an existing shell and modify it from there. how about bash? download it's source code, modify it, the end |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | Laughing_God: ask #ubuntu, we do not support Ubuntu here |
| 02:36.31 | markybob | Laughing_God, ok, then go away |
| 02:36.33 | ymorin | Laughing_God, why do you want to make a shell? |
| 02:36.35 | bzip3 | Laughing_God, can you be more specific on what you want to do? |
| 02:36.42 | ymorin | Laughing_God, homework? |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | no, he's going to #ubuntu |
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| 02:36.54 | markybob | god i hate people |
| 02:36.59 | bzip3 | you want to make a new console shell like bash, tcsh, ksh? |
| 02:37.07 | Laughing_God | Okey |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | bzip3: go to #ubuntu if you want to help him |
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| 02:37.14 | ymorin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.15 | Cryptic_Donkey | Is it possible to confoigure a debian system to receive a host name via dhcp, and if how does one go about doing so? |
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| 02:38.30 | bzip3 | abrotman, on the #ubuntu he will get the same kind of help... |
| 02:39.06 | markybob | bzip3, no, he wont |
| 02:39.10 | markybob | bzip3, #debian has reasonable people. #ubuntu has wannabe idiots. |
| 02:39.14 | bzip3 | he doesnt realize yet how thinks work... |
| 02:39.25 | markybob | bzed, too bad for him |
| 02:39.29 | bzip3 | markybob, hahahahahah |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | bzip3: it's not a Debian problem .. not a #debian problem |
| 02:39.59 | ymorin | I wannabe don't help wannabe because they don't know anything... |
| 02:40.19 | bzip3 | you're right, hahahahah |
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| 02:40.48 | linuxjones317 | is there an easy way to forward a desktop from debian to a mac? |
| 02:40.51 | bzip3 | abrotman, its not a ubuntu problem too... more like a #bash case |
| 02:40.52 | bzip3 | ahuahuoahuohauoha |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | ymorin: you're welcome to go to #ubuntu and answer his question |
| 02:41.15 | markybob | linuxjones317, depends how you want and what you want. if you want a one time thing, you can just use showmypc.com |
| 02:41.42 | ymorin | abrotman, I've ask him a question, and he didn't answer |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | vnc is another way like vino |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | ymorin: have fun! |
| 02:42.03 | markybob | showmypc.com is a vnc wrapper, btw |
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| 02:43.33 | abrotman | but it's a website |
| 02:43.58 | ymorin | Cryptic_Donkey, using dhcpd with ddns-hostname and ddns-domain-name ? |
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| 02:44.05 | linuxjones317 | markybob, id like to set it up so i could do it whenever i needed to, and preferably from anywhere, not just my home network |
| 02:44.22 | markybob | abrotman, so's logmein.com...i manage over 300 computers from there |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | markybob: i'm sorry |
| 02:44.31 | markybob | linuxjones317, then you should use logmein.com |
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| 02:46.33 | jaggz | anyone have a netbook using SDD (no harddrive) with debian on it? |
| 02:46.54 | jaggz | I want to free myself from the portability worries of harddrive shock.. |
| 02:47.06 | markybob | jaggz, i have a dell optiplex desktop with ssd running debian |
| 02:47.28 | jaggz | how much ssd? |
| 02:47.39 | markybob | jaggz, it's a 64GB drive |
| 02:47.45 | jaggz | nice |
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| 02:48.06 | jaggz | are you happy with it? I was warned repeatedly to avoid dell for consumer end products |
| 02:48.25 | markybob | jaggz, yes. it actually came with ubuntu, but i installed debian on it right away. runs great |
| 02:48.27 | NoCode | http://ocwfinder.com/ |
| 02:48.30 | jaggz | or whatever you call it.. we got a few of their servers, but I'm looking for a tiny netbook |
| 02:48.33 | NoCode | oh damn wrong channel |
| 02:48.33 | bzip3 | jaggz, what kind of worries you have about debian on ssd? |
| 02:48.49 | jaggz | the thing is I'm finding these netbooks with only 8 and 16gb ssd for some reason |
| 02:49.23 | markybob | jaggz, that's because netbooks arent meant to store much data |
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| 02:49.40 | markybob | jaggz, dell offers up to 128GB SSD on desktops |
| 02:50.03 | jaggz | I think the space is too low.. I want to at least be able to run a web server and code on it.. |
| 02:50.20 | markybob | jaggz, you can do that with about 400MB |
| 02:50.26 | jaggz | 16gb is probably doable for something cheap.. I'd want to code, use web, openoffice.. that's about it |
| 02:50.40 | jaggz | so maybe even an 8gb system would work for me, but if I can get 16 I'd be more comfortable probably |
| 02:50.52 | jaggz | great, thanks marky |
| 02:50.53 | catsup_ | 400MB? what corpulence |
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| 02:51.03 | jaggz | corpulence? |
| 02:51.07 | catsup_ | yes |
| 02:51.10 | catsup_ | corpulence |
| 02:51.23 | flourish | hello all, when use host to query localhost, i got the error "Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" , what's the problem |
| 02:51.25 | catsup_ | 100MB is more than ample |
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| 02:52.00 | jaggz | flourish, interesting.. not sure.. check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts |
| 02:53.13 | jaggz | hosts should have a line like: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 02:53.20 | flourish | jaggz: as i know, host does not query /etc/hosts, |
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| 02:54.25 | jaggz | oh, and /etc/nsswitch.conf it should specify the order of lookups |
| 02:54.30 | jaggz | flourish, oh yeah.. good point.. hmm |
| 02:54.53 | jaggz | flourish, does "dig localhost" work? |
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| 02:56.16 | flourish | jaggz: nothing |
| 02:56.53 | Tramp | yes, host does not query /etc/hosts. But non-broken DNS servers have a record for it |
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| 02:57.22 | The2morrowMan | I am having a PITA problem with Apache2. I can't get user directories working (~/public_html). I cannot figure out why. |
| 02:58.20 | ymorin | The2morrowMan, userdir module is enabled? |
| 02:58.23 | Tramp | The2morrowMan: if nobody answers here, there's #httpd |
| 02:58.30 | The2morrowMan | ymorin, Sure is,. |
| 02:58.47 | Tramp | flourish: do you want to have localhost resolved or a DNS server fixed? |
| 02:59.18 | ymorin | The2morrowMan, what error inside error.log ? |
| 02:59.48 | The2morrowMan | [Mon Oct 12 21:49:29 2009] [error] [client 10.1.1.100] (13)Permission denied: access to /~username/file.txt denied |
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| 03:00.31 | ymorin | try su - www-data then try to edit the ~username/file.txt |
| 03:00.58 | ymorin | The2morrowMan, just checking if it's not a permission problem |
| 03:02.03 | Tramp | ymorin: I don't know, what I'm talking about, but is "/~username..." right? Shouldn't it be "/home/~username..."? |
| 03:02.05 | ymorin | The2morrowMan, there is allow/deny inside apache2 conf, but www-data user or group need to be able to read inside user folders |
| 03:02.12 | The2morrowMan | Figured it out. User's homedir wasn't set with world +x. |
| 03:02.33 | ymorin | Tramp, well ~username == /home/username |
| 03:02.48 | Tramp | ah, ok. Didn't want to confuse. |
| 03:03.06 | pibe86 | omg, i made a mistake i install mpd, so i start the demon, then i modify /etc/mpd.conf without stoping the demon and i broke it, so i cant start or stop mpd, some of you has the original file of mpd???? thanks |
| 03:03.15 | pibe86 | installed* |
| 03:03.19 | pibe86 | started* |
| 03:03.31 | pibe86 | modified* |
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| 03:03.45 | flourish | Tramp: localhost resolved |
| 03:04.52 | Tramp | flourish: so "ping localhost" fails? |
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| 03:05.21 | flourish | Tramp: because ping also query /etc/hosts, so i succeed |
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| 03:06.00 | Tramp | flourish: right. And dig/host do not. So unless you run the DNS, there is nothing you can do. The DNS server has no entry for localhost. |
| 03:06.21 | flourish | Tramp: thanks |
| 03:06.39 | Tramp | flourish: so as long as your internal resolver resolves it via /etc/hosts, it's not a problem for your functionality |
| 03:07.09 | Tramp | flourish: and your resolver does it, as long as (1) you have your nsswitch right and (2) you have an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 03:07.10 | flourish | Tramp: how to do this? |
| 03:07.14 | jaggz | nslookup? :) |
| 03:07.20 | Tramp | flourish: do what? |
| 03:07.33 | flourish | internal resolver resolves it via /etc/hosts, |
| 03:07.46 | ymorin | pibe86, default mpd conf (from mpd git repository) http://git.musicpd.org/cgit/master/mpd.git/plain/doc/mpdconf.example |
| 03:07.48 | Tramp | flourish: it does - since ping works |
| 03:08.22 | Tramp | flourish: and it does because (1) and (2) from above are fulfilled |
| 03:10.39 | flourish | Tramp: so i need to install bind;-) |
| 03:11.17 | Tramp | flourish: well, you sure can. (well, don't know, if you can, but ... well, you get the idea) |
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| 03:11.44 | ymorin | hi L|NUX |
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| 03:13.41 | keith__ | why are all the *_wdt modules blacklisted by default? |
| 03:15.40 | pibe86 | ymorin, thanks |
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| 03:18.18 | pibe86 | ymorin, i removed /etc/init.d/mpd and i reinstalled mpd and it worked |
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| 03:30.07 | dtal | So, what would be involved in moving my OS to another hard disk, but keeping my /home where it is? |
| 03:30.44 | pepper | dtal, just the fstab. |
| 03:31.40 | dtal | So I just copy all OS files to the new disk, move /home to the root directory on the old disk, modify fstab, fix grub, and it should just work? |
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| 03:34.00 | pepper | yeh, it worked for me. |
| 03:34.11 | dtal | And I can use standard cp? |
| 03:34.35 | dtal | That is, the inodes don't have to be in particular order or anything? |
| 03:34.39 | pepper | u can, but after that dont forget to change permissions. |
| 03:34.52 | pepper | no.. you can use cp, but from a live cd |
| 03:35.22 | dtal | Why can't I copy from within my old system? Permissions again? |
| 03:36.18 | pepper | you can copy but when u do that /home cant be in use. |
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| 03:37.11 | dtal | Why not? |
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| 03:37.26 | SeveredCross | Hey y'all, is Debian's MIPS port 64-bit/ |
| 03:37.31 | dtal | Forgive me, I just want to understand :) |
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| 03:38.17 | pepper | no problem xD its just because is safer.. if anything goes wrong... |
| 03:39.07 | pepper | and I think its faster mv than cp : ) |
| 03:39.21 | pepper | u decide |
| 03:39.31 | dtal | Not between hard disks, surely? Hmm |
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| 03:40.23 | dtal | Anyway thanks for your advice. I'll try it next time I feel brave and bored. |
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| 03:40.46 | pepper | uashua no problem : ) |
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| 03:49.25 | isules1 | hi there |
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| 03:53.53 | Moral_ | question, How can I limit my Cpu freq. My computer keeps overheating so I want to turn it down |
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| 03:55.21 | mhymn | i just know of cpulimit which might not be what you wan exactly |
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| 03:55.32 | Moral_ | well anything right now |
| 03:55.42 | Moral_ | Im trying to get debian setup and it's hard when it crashes ever 20 min |
| 03:55.50 | Moral_ | so if I can just limit it to 800mhz |
| 03:55.52 | Moral_ | id be happy |
| 03:58.29 | mhymn | perhaps there could be some options in BIOS? |
| 03:58.46 | Moral_ | possibly |
| 03:58.55 | Moral_ | I know in my windows OS |
| 03:59.05 | Moral_ | i can select Powersaver,Balance, and highperformance |
| 03:59.09 | Moral_ | powersaver is 800mhz |
| 03:59.15 | Moral_ | o |
| 03:59.16 | Moral_ | found it |
| 03:59.17 | Moral_ | http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
| 03:59.24 | Moral_ | good thing i dont have internet though >:| |
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| 04:08.20 | msgDpkgSex | hi, i'm looking to install a simple debian LAMP server with no GUI. what's the best place to start? |
| 04:09.24 | theseapples | i mean like whats the best image to download that doesn't have any of the unnecessary GUI stuff? |
| 04:09.40 | theseapples | with a text based installer, etc. |
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| 04:26.24 | Moral_ | seems as if my card should be supported already |
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| 04:31.45 | noteventrue | I'm not sure where more specifically I could ask this so... I notice that after a while, perhaps a day or so, suddenly certain websites won't load. I can see the SYN_SENT in netstat, but there is never a reply. |
| 04:32.12 | noteventrue | Certain websites include everything google and ftp.jaist.ac.jp |
| 04:32.24 | noteventrue | search.yahoo.com still works |
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| 04:32.40 | Moral_ | dns issues maybe? |
| 04:32.43 | noteventrue | The only fix I've found is to reboot |
| 04:32.53 | noteventrue | Moral_: not dns, I can still ping them |
| 04:32.56 | Moral_ | hmm |
| 04:33.02 | Moral_ | that's beyond me then, sorry. |
| 04:33.47 | noteventrue | Restarting the network connections doesn't fix anything, nor logging out/in, only a full reboot fixes this |
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| 04:36.41 | Moral_ | noteventrue, stick around someone will be around to help ya |
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| 04:42.57 | Moral_ | why the hell do people insist on using .rpm |
| 04:42.59 | Moral_ | pakages |
| 04:44.00 | dlynes | catsup_: thanks...yes, it did fix the problem |
| 04:44.32 | dlynes | catsup_: could be the customer's router causing the problem...they're probably running one of those low grade linksys wrt54g's or something |
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| 05:00.44 | Ray_ | webcam question? |
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| 05:13.02 | jill | hi, i use liferea and i want to ask where is Debian Package a Day news, Gnomefiles news? and others are unavaible... |
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| 05:19.05 | dekatch | what can i do ? i need myssql-devel ! it looks like! where can i get it? |
| 05:19.10 | pqrstuv | Is anyone here? |
| 05:19.21 | dekatch | !anyone |
| 05:19.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 05:19.21 | jill | pqrstuv: here |
| 05:19.27 | pqrstuv | Hello, how would i stop sendmail being started during boot time?It takes time to start at boot time. |
| 05:19.44 | jill | dekatch: use apt-get install any_package_you_want |
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| 05:19.55 | jill | with sudo of course |
| 05:19.59 | dekatch | apt-get install mysql-devel isnt available |
| 05:20.14 | pqrstuv | jill: ^ |
| 05:20.15 | dekatch | aptitude search offers also no devel |
| 05:20.17 | jill | take a look synaptic search tool |
| 05:20.25 | pqrstuv | how would i stop sendmail being started during boot time?It takes time to start at boot time. |
| 05:20.25 | jill | pqrstuv: > |
| 05:20.29 | pqrstuv | ^ |
| 05:20.32 | dekatch | i searched on packages but didnt found ! |
| 05:20.52 | jill | pqrstuv: forest here >>> |
| 05:20.54 | jill | =\) |
| 05:21.17 | jill | dekatch: just a sec |
| 05:21.39 | pqrstuv | Huh |
| 05:21.55 | MoralExploit | How do I add non-free and contrib to my sources list? |
| 05:22.17 | pqrstuv | How to stop a daemon from being started at boot time? |
| 05:22.23 | pqrstuv | ? |
| 05:22.24 | pqrstuv | ^ |
| 05:22.35 | pqrstuv | It's sendmail |
| 05:22.37 | dekatch | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:22.46 | pqrstuv | How would i stop sendmail |
| 05:22.50 | pqrstuv | from boot time |
| 05:22.58 | dekatch | /etc/init.s/sendmail stop |
| 05:23.07 | dekatch | apt-get remove / |
| 05:23.09 | dekatch | :) |
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| 05:23.21 | dekatch | change the runlevel? |
| 05:23.28 | jill | pqrstuv: no |
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| 05:23.40 | pqrstuv | dekatch: No, stopping it from boot time starting |
| 05:23.57 | dekatch | ? i dont want to stop it at boot time |
| 05:24.17 | jill | pqrstuv: can you wait a minute? |
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| 05:25.02 | jill | dekatch: there is no any dev package of mysql i can find for you |
| 05:25.24 | jill | dekatch: can you see in #mysql and ask this them? |
| 05:25.26 | dekatch | i also cant find |
| 05:25.37 | dekatch | well sure, |
| 05:25.40 | pqrstuv | dekatch: /join #mysql |
| 05:25.48 | jill | ^ |
| 05:25.48 | jill | =) |
| 05:26.07 | Kapelzor | hi is any user here, who has 2.6.30-1 and uses a rt61 wireless card ? |
| 05:26.47 | Kapelzor | is there any user* |
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| 05:28.14 | pqrstuv | Kapelzor: Yes, |
| 05:28.25 | jill | pqrstuv: you can try update-inetd or man update-inetd |
| 05:28.51 | f00li5h | halp |
| 05:28.54 | jill | this can fast add or remove daemons from /etc/init.d on all runlevels |
| 05:28.56 | Kapelzor | pqrstuv: I have a quite a problem with compiling the rt2xx0 drivers |
| 05:29.02 | f00li5h | what is a sensible list of mirrors to stuff into my packages.list |
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| 05:29.15 | f00li5h | my boxes all comaplin about mirrors being unreacable |
| 05:29.24 | f00li5h | I dis-enjoy this |
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| 05:30.11 | pqrstuv | jill: Is it ? update-inetd remove sendmail |
| 05:30.34 | pqrstuv | Kapelzor: What's the error? |
| 05:30.40 | pqrstuv | Kapelzor: How did you try? |
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| 05:31.03 | jill | pqrstuv: only /etc/init.d/ deamons |
| 05:31.44 | fsilver | hi, i would like to install a plain, simple LAMP server with no x server or anything like that, using debian. Is there some sort of "server edition" or something like it that uses a text-based installer that someone could point me to? |
| 05:32.31 | jill | use w3m and visit howtoforge.org |
| 05:32.37 | jill | fsilver: |
| 05:32.56 | jill | my lamp was installed like that |
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| 05:33.33 | fsilver | jill: what do you mean? |
| 05:33.40 | Kapelzor | pqrstuv: I've allready had the driver on my comp, so I've unpacked it, and did make and than as root make install. (I'll get the log in a sec, and paste it if you want.) the 2nd thing I did, was installing the drivers from the repo, and after modprobeing rt61pci I could bring up the interface. Although using the drivers from the repo really doesen't suit me, beacus I would have to use wpasupplicant. But If I'll have to do it that way, and It'l |
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| 05:34.02 | jill | fsilver: did you have only text-based console and need to install lamp? |
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| 05:34.10 | fsilver | I have access to a different computer with a desktop environment on it, if thats what you mean |
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| 05:34.40 | fsilver | jill: no, i am starting from scratch. I am working with a fresh, unpartitioned hard drive. |
| 05:35.04 | fsilver | I want to know which version of debian to download and install. |
| 05:35.55 | pqrstuv | jill: Give the complete command please. |
| 05:36.11 | fsilver | for ubuntu, there is a "server edition" download, a separate ISO file with no graphical stuff on it. it uses an alternate installer, it doesn't contain any of the GNOME/KDE/Xfce packages |
| 05:36.17 | pqrstuv | jill: I want to stop starting sendmail at boot time. |
| 05:36.29 | jill | i think you need to go debian.org and chose one |
| 05:36.32 | jill | fsilver: |
| 05:36.54 | fsilver | jill: yeah, i have. it all seems a little bit confusing and difficult to follow. |
| 05:36.55 | jill | pqrstuv: first of all type: pgrep sendmail |
| 05:37.09 | jill | fsilver: lets see |
| 05:37.20 | fsilver | jill: ok, thanks so much... |
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| 05:37.27 | fsilver | jill: I'm all ears |
| 05:37.40 | pqrstuv | jill: Got the id. |
| 05:37.52 | pqrstuv | jill: It's running. |
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| 05:39.00 | jill | fsilver: just i remember when i install debian (long time ago, i dont remebmer what is my grub looks like =) when i install it from my DVD i saw options like WEB server, MySQL server, Base system... |
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| 05:39.23 | jill | pqrstuv: okay then i take you command right now |
| 05:39.25 | jill | hmm |
| 05:39.44 | fsilver | i want 5.0, should i just get cd version? |
| 05:40.08 | jill | its better if you will 5 DVD |
| 05:40.25 | mee | anyone use softsqueeze/squeezeplay with debian? got any pointers on how to cleanly install/use it? |
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| 05:44.40 | Kapelzor | pqrstuv: http://paste-it.net/public/cb9d5f7/ |
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| 05:49.54 | jill | i need something like lmms to manage audio effects in gnome |
| 05:50.38 | pepsi | hi :D does anyone know how i can make flash not suck? for example, watching any flash videos barely works, if it all |
| 05:51.35 | jill | pepsi: install adobe plugin |
| 05:52.12 | pepsi | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer ? |
| 05:53.24 | jill | pepsi: yes, or if you want install it from adobe site, but you will be non-free then =) |
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| 05:54.24 | pepsi | should i remove swfdec stuff if i install that? |
| 05:54.51 | jill | pepsi: everything you want |
| 05:57.48 | pepsi | also, the volatile.debian.org repositories always fail.. what are/were those for? i assume i can remove them? |
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| 06:01.03 | jill | pepsi: http://paste.org.ru/?lf68xt |
| 06:01.20 | jill | no volatile.debian.org in the log |
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| 06:03.02 | mudsplatter | hi |
| 06:03.19 | pepsi | http://paste.org.ru/?gsa441 |
| 06:03.22 | mudsplatter | i have a question if any one is good with muti displays |
| 06:03.28 | mudsplatter | in debian |
| 06:03.55 | jill | pepsi: i mean this is part of security updates |
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| 06:04.21 | mudsplatter | on a laptop |
| 06:04.49 | jill | pepsi: when you install debian 5 you maybe check security and volatile |
| 06:05.06 | jill | pepsi: you can disable it in synaptic maybe |
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| 06:05.37 | mudsplatter | umm ya |
| 06:06.00 | mudsplatter | system - admin - softwaresources |
| 06:06.06 | mudsplatter | u can uncheck that oone |
| 06:06.16 | mudsplatter | or gedit or vi the source lits |
| 06:06.18 | mudsplatter | lists |
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| 06:06.29 | jill | vi better =) |
| 06:06.37 | mudsplatter | if ur new dont use vi.... |
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| 06:06.47 | mudsplatter | ur trying to get him to mess it up |
| 06:06.51 | mudsplatter | gedit |
| 06:06.54 | mudsplatter | if u have x |
| 06:06.57 | mudsplatter | x org |
| 06:07.28 | jill | mudsplatter: what is wrong with displays? |
| 06:07.35 | mudsplatter | its not that |
| 06:07.38 | mudsplatter | im on a lap top |
| 06:07.51 | mudsplatter | when i connect my vga slot to a monitor |
| 06:08.04 | mudsplatter | how do i adjust the 2nd display |
| 06:08.11 | mudsplatter | is there apt for that |
| 06:08.14 | mudsplatter | im asking |
| 06:08.27 | mudsplatter | or is every thing mirriored |
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| 06:10.05 | jill | you can, but i dont know how =) when i did it was nvidia drivers, i use it to setup 2 dispays |
| 06:10.14 | mudsplatter | i have intel |
| 06:10.18 | mudsplatter | videio |
| 06:10.36 | mudsplatter | ya |
| 06:10.45 | mudsplatter | in ubuntu they have the display setting |
| 06:11.24 | jill | here you can install it too i guess |
| 06:11.33 | mudsplatter | the same apt? |
| 06:11.40 | mudsplatter | i though it would have problems |
| 06:11.47 | jill | hmm |
| 06:11.59 | pepsi | i miss that thing too :/ |
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| 06:12.13 | mudsplatter | pepsi, u kow what im taking about |
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| 06:12.14 | mudsplatter | ? |
| 06:12.16 | pepsi | yeah |
| 06:12.18 | mudsplatter | the display thingy |
| 06:12.26 | mudsplatter | how do i get something like that in deb |
| 06:12.42 | pepsi | no clue.. if you find out, tell me.. i never looked to see what that thing was called |
| 06:12.53 | mudsplatter | bloody hell |
| 06:13.49 | pepsi | i havent gotten my video to work as well as ubuntu had it working either.. but i got it working better than the plain debian install at least |
| 06:13.55 | pepsi | if i can get flash to work, ill be happy enough |
| 06:14.06 | mudsplatter | umm |
| 06:14.08 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:14.14 | mudsplatter | are u amd64 |
| 06:14.17 | mudsplatter | or i386 |
| 06:14.26 | mudsplatter | i can tell you right now |
| 06:14.32 | pepsi | i386.. its an Acer Aspire One |
| 06:14.36 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:14.38 | pepsi | :P |
| 06:14.39 | mudsplatter | its easy man |
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| 06:15.35 | pepsi | i had to add like.. AccelMethod "exa" and "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" to xorg.conf |
| 06:15.36 | mudsplatter | sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:15.42 | pepsi | im working on that |
| 06:15.48 | pepsi | i had to add backports first i guess |
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| 06:16.12 | mudsplatter | it may or not |
| 06:16.25 | mudsplatter | ya |
| 06:16.27 | mudsplatter | back ports |
| 06:16.43 | jill | mudsplatter: Intel 945? |
| 06:16.54 | mudsplatter | my video card? |
| 06:17.01 | jill | no, my video |
| 06:17.10 | jill | yes of cource yours =) |
| 06:17.42 | jill | show me your feedbee@debian:~$ xrandr |
| 06:18.05 | mudsplatter | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:18.38 | jill | mudsplatter: do you have installed gtf? |
| 06:18.48 | mudsplatter | gtf? |
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| 06:18.55 | jill | yes |
| 06:18.55 | jill | check it |
| 06:19.02 | mudsplatter | what is it |
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| 06:19.21 | jill | its some software to check out your card options |
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| 06:19.49 | mudsplatter | its just called gtf |
| 06:19.50 | mudsplatter | ? |
| 06:19.56 | jill | i think so |
| 06:19.57 | mudsplatter | i dont see anything for it |
| 06:20.01 | jill | okay |
| 06:20.11 | jill | maybe g->w? |
| 06:20.19 | jill | hehe |
| 06:20.33 | jill | next here one man sad: |
| 06:20.38 | jill | 1) turn off notebook |
| 06:20.51 | jill | 2) connect out-side display |
| 06:20.58 | mudsplatter | turn it on |
| 06:21.01 | mudsplatter | ya |
| 06:21.02 | jill | 3) gtf 1680 1050 60 |
| 06:21.25 | mudsplatter | i have gtf |
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| 06:21.33 | mudsplatter | now i know what your talking about |
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| 06:21.38 | jill | 5) its make the string something like Modeline â1680Ã1050_60.00â³ 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 -HSync +Vsync |
| 06:21.39 | jill | yes |
| 06:21.45 | mudsplatter | ya |
| 06:21.46 | mudsplatter | i got it |
| 06:21.47 | pepsi | yay flash doesnt suck anymore |
| 06:21.50 | mudsplatter | it makes sence |
| 06:21.53 | jill | and we must put it in xorg |
| 06:21.56 | mudsplatter | ya |
| 06:21.58 | jill | xorg.conf |
| 06:22.01 | mudsplatter | i know |
| 06:22.02 | mudsplatter | got it |
| 06:22.05 | jill | Section âMonitorâ |
| 06:22.06 | jill | IdentifierâУнивеÑÑалÑнÑй мониÑоÑâ |
| 06:22.06 | jill | OptionâDPMSâ |
| 06:22.06 | jill | Modeline â1680Ã1050x74.9â³ 187.00 1680 1800 1976 2272 1050 1053 1059 1099 -hsync +vsync |
| 06:22.06 | jill | EndSection |
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| 06:22.15 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:22.17 | mudsplatter | hahaha |
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| 06:22.24 | mudsplatter | haha |
| 06:22.26 | jill | ))) |
| 06:22.29 | jill | sorry |
| 06:22.30 | mudsplatter | i got it |
| 06:22.31 | jill | like that? |
| 06:22.34 | mudsplatter | u dont have to explain |
| 06:22.44 | jill | restart X |
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| 06:22.50 | mudsplatter | jill rofl i know |
| 06:22.51 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:23.02 | mudsplatter | pepsi, u got flash to work |
| 06:23.07 | mudsplatter | with the backports? |
| 06:23.09 | pepsi | yes |
| 06:23.24 | jill | mudsplatter: if you know, wats the problem? |
| 06:23.25 | pepsi | now i can watch youtube videos that people insist on showing me |
| 06:23.29 | mudsplatter | no no |
| 06:23.31 | mudsplatter | the command |
| 06:23.34 | mudsplatter | i forgot |
| 06:24.04 | jill | oh |
| 06:24.04 | jill | anyway copy that and print xrandr âauto |
| 06:24.22 | jill | hmm that: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=210202&sid=18c11b5eb193a4399ca4cbbfd206e4a4 |
| 06:24.47 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:24.51 | mudsplatter | next time u can just link me |
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| 06:32.20 | jill | mudsplatter: i found russian documentation and when i read it till end i saw this link |
| 06:32.30 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:32.30 | mudsplatter | ok |
| 06:32.31 | mudsplatter | thanks |
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| 06:51.47 | kaduk_ | Hi, is there a way to automatically configure new kernel basing on what modules are loaded from dist kernel ? |
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| 06:52.21 | mudsplatter | no clue |
| 06:52.27 | mudsplatter | above my knowlage |
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| 06:53.50 | simonrvn | kaduk_: stat your lsmod output |
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| 06:56.06 | kaduk_ | simonrvn, well modules are not called as kernel options and its lots of them |
| 06:56.28 | kaduk_ | simonrvn, would be cool if module could present kernel option |
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| 06:57.03 | mudsplatter | rofl |
| 06:57.13 | mudsplatter | how do you turn off mouse click |
| 06:57.25 | mudsplatter | touch pad click |
| 06:58.24 | simonrvn | kaduk_: it's called search in menuconfig. use it ;). (hit / to do it) |
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| 06:59.02 | `lazy | does grup understand win 7 |
| 06:59.06 | paipimenta_ | hey folks, I'm trying to install an OS on another partition using just the .iso without burning... anyone familiar with PXE or alternative? |
| 06:59.09 | mudsplatter | sry ill stop trolling |
| 06:59.13 | `lazy | or is there something special which is needed to do for it |
| 06:59.13 | mudsplatter | bad habbit |
| 06:59.31 | simonrvn | `lazy: grup? |
| 06:59.37 | paipimenta_ | grub? |
| 06:59.53 | simonrvn | mudsplatter: 'habit' |
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| 07:00.03 | kaduk_ | simonrvn, thats what I am doing now:( |
| 07:00.16 | kaduk_ | simonrvn, btw is SCSI option needed to mount USB memory sticks ? |
| 07:00.20 | mudsplatter | but i do need help |
| 07:00.25 | mudsplatter | with the touch pad thing |
| 07:00.28 | simonrvn | usb-storage. yes. |
| 07:00.31 | mudsplatter | i cant find anything |
| 07:00.48 | kaduk_ | simonrvn, thanks |
| 07:01.13 | simonrvn | mudsplatter: dunno |
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| 07:04.00 | yacyac | my xfce is not working.. when ever i startx with xfce.. it shows it is loading but window manager never comes |
| 07:04.54 | Supaplex | yacyac: does it work as root? |
| 07:04.54 | Supaplex | just for testing purposes of course. |
| 07:04.54 | yacyac | i havnt tried it.. |
| 07:04.55 | yacyac | i can try that right now |
| 07:05.17 | yacyac | Supaplex, should i restart it as root ? |
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| 07:07.13 | Supaplex | yes |
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| 07:09.54 | `lazy | simonrvn: grub :) |
| 07:10.01 | `lazy | typed it wrong |
| 07:10.48 | simonrvn | i'd just make sure you had a term open and run xfwm4 & for it and disown it after. |
| 07:11.04 | simonrvn | `lazy: yes it does |
| 07:11.26 | Supaplex | 's heading to zzZZzz land. good luck. |
| 07:11.44 | simonrvn | Supaplex: g'night |
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| 07:12.50 | roe | does anyone use sshfs? |
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| 07:13.41 | roe | for light filesystem access is it sufficient or would something like ipsec be more appropriate? |
| 07:14.08 | yacyac | Supaplex, it works in root.. but not in user account |
| 07:14.50 | simonrvn | yacyac: i'd just make sure you had a term open and run xfwm4 & for it and disown it after. |
| 07:15.11 | yacyac | sorry |
| 07:15.27 | yacyac | simonrvn, sorry i didnt understand what you said |
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| 07:28.07 | ethanol | not sure if this is the right place to ask. I have a file containing a list of filenames, each on a newline. I know these files are located in various subdirectories of the current working directory. how could I most easily find all of these files, and copy them to a seperate location (need to tar them into an archive)? |
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| 07:31.42 | gnarface | ethanol: the GNU "find" tool could be of some use to you |
| 07:31.54 | gnarface | so would some basic knowledge of bash scripts |
| 07:32.19 | darkblue_B | you could do it in python also, issuing commands |
| 07:32.22 | ethanol | I have some basic knowledge, but that ends at basic pretty much |
| 07:32.31 | darkblue_B | I find python to be far more sane than bash |
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| 07:34.07 | darkblue_B | I assume you have to do this over and over, and that the files will be in differnt places sometimes |
| 07:34.22 | darkblue_B | otherwise, you dont need a general script |
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| 07:35.24 | kripz | Im using phpsysinfo, one feature it has is network stats. For one column (Err/Drop) i have 0/5494559224506, what does dropped mean? |
| 07:36.11 | yacyac | simonrvn, should i go into console and type xfwm4 ? |
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| 07:37.54 | ethanol | darkblue_B: no I only have to do this once. |
| 07:38.47 | ethanol | darkblue_B: it's a bunch of images, with md5 names. I extracted all the filenames from the db. but they're hashed over subdirs. |
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| 07:39.42 | kripz | What's with my dropped packets? http://pastebin.com/m85eb368 |
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| 07:40.21 | ethanol | hrm |
| 07:40.38 | ethanol | I could perhaps use php to produce a list of copy and paste commands to copy all the images to a new dir |
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| 07:40.47 | ethanol | or do the copying in php itself |
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| 07:41.46 | simonrvn | yacyac: no, a terminal in x |
| 07:42.06 | yacyac | i am in kde |
| 07:42.27 | yacyac | right now |
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| 07:43.34 | simonrvn | pointless now.. |
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| 07:44.33 | yacyac | why is it impossible ? |
| 07:44.47 | simonrvn | i didn't say that |
| 07:44.54 | simonrvn | i said it was pointless |
| 07:45.01 | yacyac | why is it pointless ? |
| 07:45.13 | yacyac | nothing is opening in xfce4 |
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| 07:45.58 | simonrvn | rm everything that's in ~/.cache/sessions/ |
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| 07:47.04 | yacyac | hmmm |
| 07:47.06 | yacyac | lemme try |
| 07:48.48 | yacyac | simonrvn, do i need to delete anything from .cache/xfce4 folder ? |
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| 07:51.40 | simonrvn | yacyac: nah |
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| 08:09.27 | yacyac | simonrvn, it worked.. thanks alot. |
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| 08:19.18 | kripz | What's with my dropped packets? http://pastebin.com/m85eb368 |
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| 08:26.29 | Xeross | I want to use a lighttpd server as a failsafe when my apache go down (Well just let it show an under maintenance/something message) what would be the best way of doing this |
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| 08:26.47 | Xeross | I understand I need to use some load balancing/proxy package but what would be best for the job |
| 08:26.59 | OpenTokix | Xeross: Simple would be to put up a haproxy that will failover onto the lighttpd |
| 08:26.59 | blouf_ | u'd better use ... err |
| 08:27.24 | blouf_ | there's an alternative httpd, i forgot the name |
| 08:27.54 | blouf_ | lampp |
| 08:28.03 | blouf_ | this one is pretty simple to configure & use |
| 08:28.26 | Xeross | lighttpd is also damn easy to configure |
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| 08:28.54 | blouf_ | well, it's just a suggestion, then do whatever |
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| 08:45.03 | citrix | is there a linux destro which is not an open source software? |
| 08:45.37 | seeS | thats a bit of a badly worded question |
| 08:45.56 | seeS | most if not all distros have some non-open source packages |
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| 08:48.18 | citrix | seeS, yes I know that some packages is non-open source but I'm asking about linux it self |
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| 08:48.43 | seeS | linux itself is not, but there are modules or parts of it that are |
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| 08:49.22 | Imran-UK | whats a good terminal based (or text-user-interface tui) sftp client for debian? sftp is too basic, doesn't support autocomplete for example |
| 08:49.23 | roe | citrix, are you looking for a closed source project? |
| 08:49.45 | roe | Imran-UK, sshfs |
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| 08:50.08 | citrix | roe, no but a freind ask me and I want to answer him |
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| 08:50.36 | roe | he wanted to know if there was an operating system that mimicked Gnu/Linux that was closed source? |
| 08:50.44 | seeS | oh! |
| 08:50.51 | seeS | you mean a closed source Unix? |
| 08:50.56 | seeS | theres many of those |
| 08:51.09 | roe | you can try AIX or HP-UX or SCO unix |
| 08:51.17 | roe | seeS, not many left |
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| 08:51.30 | roe | I don't think HP-UX is still being developed |
| 08:51.32 | seeS | yes, and if you ever worked on them you'd know why. |
| 08:51.44 | Imran-UK | roe, thanks. i will try it. i was also hoping for ncftp supporting sftp protocol but it doesnt :( |
| 08:51.49 | citrix | ok, thanks for help |
| 08:51.49 | roe | and SCO is almost dead, should have died years ago |
| 08:51.51 | seeS | they all sucked badly in comparison for most deployments |
| 08:51.58 | ethanol | blouf: isn't lampp a package of several applications? an alternative to apache would simply be lighttpd, or nginx |
| 08:52.24 | blouf | yes it is a package of several apps |
| 08:52.25 | seeS | lamp or lampp? |
| 08:52.37 | ethanol | I'm not sure, I thought lamp, but he said lampp |
| 08:52.37 | blouf | it comes with a ftpd & others stuff, just can't remember |
| 08:52.49 | seeS | lamp = Linux Apache Mysql PHP |
| 08:52.52 | ethanol | doesn't lamp just stand for linux, apache, mysql, php |
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| 08:53.00 | ethanol | like wamp is windows, apache, mysql, php |
| 08:53.17 | seeS | yep |
| 08:53.36 | seeS | so, strictly speaking you need apache, otherwise it would be llmp or something |
| 08:53.44 | ethanol | Xeross: would you install lighttpd on the same server as apache? |
| 08:53.50 | Imran-UK | the p could be php, perl or phython but really its "programming language" |
| 08:54.12 | Piliman | hello Guys!! |
| 08:54.18 | Piliman | What's up here?? |
| 08:54.25 | Imran-UK | as ruby-on-rails is a popular pattern these days, me, i'm excited about perl/catalyst |
| 08:54.30 | roe | I prefer lapp |
| 08:54.49 | Piliman | I've a question about OpenVPN |
| 08:55.03 | Imran-UK | mysql ftwm, but i'm not going to get into religious wars :P |
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| 08:55.13 | ethanol | roe: postgre? |
| 08:55.17 | roe | yea |
| 08:55.20 | Piliman | Should the OpenVPN client listen to the same VPN port as on the server |
| 08:55.22 | Piliman | ?? |
| 08:55.23 | ethanol | yeah, mysql fan here too x: |
| 08:55.26 | roe | I like my db to be transaction safe |
| 08:55.27 | seeS | had too many mysql databases go screwy on me :( |
| 08:55.49 | ethanol | I never cared about transactions considering none of our applications require it |
| 08:56.02 | Piliman | I have a VPN server with port 1194 opened |
| 08:56.10 | Imran-UK | roe, then mysql+innodb is a tried and trusted pattern used by little websites like google adwords (damn, didnt want to get sucked in) |
| 08:56.12 | ethanol | the simplicity and minor benefits offered by mysql outweight that 'disadvantage' |
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| 08:56.38 | Piliman | But the client listen on port 44784 |
| 08:56.42 | seeS | im not sure piliman, you could check |
| 08:56.49 | seeS | ah you have, and not sure |
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| 08:56.54 | roe | Imran-UK, sure, but then you lose all the performace that mysql toutes *and* you have to deal with their dual licensing |
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| 08:57.06 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:57.11 | ethanol | sorry |
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| 08:57.21 | ssm | mysql+innodb is fast, simple, and will eat your data when you least expect it. :) |
| 08:57.30 | ssm | by all means, use it, but make sure you have backups |
| 08:57.35 | Piliman | Sees! I check with netstat -tulnp |
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| 08:58.15 | Imran-UK | roe, no comment except that there are plenty of top 100 websites running mysql+innodb who perform lightning quick |
| 08:58.23 | seeS | i meant that you were checking if it was correct or not |
| 08:58.24 | Imran-UK | final answer :) |
| 08:58.34 | seeS | piliman: i guess the answer is, does it work that way? |
| 08:58.35 | roe | Imran-UK, ha |
| 08:58.54 | roe | emacs for life |
| 08:58.57 | Imran-UK | dual license only comes into play if you want to sell a product and bundle mysql as part oft he derivative work |
| 08:59.03 | Imran-UK | iirc |
| 08:59.04 | Piliman | I'm able to ping |
| 08:59.24 | Imran-UK | now im gonna configure sshfs |
| 08:59.29 | roe | Imran-UK, you can't call final answer and then continue to argue |
| 08:59.33 | Piliman | I don't think this would help to manage the iptables rules |
| 08:59.57 | seeS | piliman: i mean more that if you try to connect do you see packets hitting the right ports? i work too much with real ipsec to recall |
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| 09:00.33 | Imran-UK | roe, true but you're pushing my buttons AND i'm vim user! |
| 09:00.39 | roe | ha |
| 09:00.42 | roe | of course you are |
| 09:01.04 | roe | can we at least agree that nVI sucks the big one? |
| 09:02.29 | seeS | 1194 is the right port, the client port might be random |
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| 09:04.35 | kripz | Why is my server dropping packets when receiving data? http://pastebin.com/m58ca2023 |
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| 09:05.19 | simonrvn | saturated network? scrwed up NIC? bad cable(s)? |
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| 09:06.05 | simonrvn | some systcl settings are not set high enough? any number of things... |
| 09:06.10 | simonrvn | sysctl* |
| 09:07.04 | seeS | id check to see if it is incrementing |
| 09:07.11 | Xeross | haproxy documentation is vague |
| 09:07.29 | kripz | seeS yes its incrementing as we speak |
| 09:07.32 | seeS | you need to know how much the errors increment as a ratio of the number of received packets |
| 09:07.55 | kripz | well im sending gigs of data to the server |
| 09:08.06 | seeS | ah ok |
| 09:08.10 | nsadmin | Xeross: example? |
| 09:08.15 | Xeross | cant find the logging in it |
| 09:08.39 | seeS | what sort of rate? |
| 09:08.44 | simonrvn | watch -d ifconfig eth0 should help |
| 09:08.48 | seeS | it might be a not so great card |
| 09:08.52 | kripz | its onboard |
| 09:09.01 | nsadmin | vague and can't find are two different things |
| 09:09.08 | kripz | i am noticing extrememly poor transfer rates to a local hdd on the server, 1mb;s |
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| 09:09.29 | seeS | sounds like you got an io problem |
| 09:09.52 | seeS | i got that, this hardware sucks here, it has a nice "sleep mode" where it sleeps for 1/2 second at times |
| 09:10.09 | Xeross | vague as in there's loggin documentation but it doesnt explain how to set it up to log to a file |
| 09:10.16 | simonrvn | seeS: it's old, it's taking a break :P. |
| 09:10.31 | nsadmin | so you could find it |
| 09:10.50 | seeS | my computer is having nanna naps? |
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| 09:11.30 | p0g0__ | hard drive apnea? |
| 09:11.35 | Sergio`_ | I have 3 open ports used by users debtorrent and aptproxy, is it normal? |
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| 09:12.53 | nsadmin | do you have those package installed? |
| 09:13.10 | simonrvn | p0g0__: that's the term i was looking for, apnea thanks |
| 09:13.12 | Sergio`_ | nsadmin: I'm not sure but I installed a lot of stuff. |
| 09:13.38 | Sergio`_ | I'll uninstall them. |
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| 09:15.43 | Xeross | Hmm my lighttpd is working now but somehow apache is listed as down |
| 09:16.42 | nsadmin | Xeross logs are usually handled by a server daemon called syslog |
| 09:16.46 | simonrvn | pats his lighttpd |
| 09:17.29 | Xeross | ye I got it logging |
| 09:17.33 | Xeross | but somehow it doesnt see my apache as online |
| 09:17.43 | Xeross | guess something goes wrong on the check |
| 09:17.51 | simonrvn | i don't have to restart the whole thing to refresh the php processes, it's faster, less overhead, easier/faster to build |
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| 09:18.56 | Xeross | http://pastebin.com/mb74a0a8 |
| 09:19.00 | Xeross | dunno what's wrong :/ |
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| 09:19.22 | nsadmin | what's that paste? |
| 09:19.37 | Xeross | portion of my haproxy.cfg |
| 09:20.05 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 09:23.22 | kripz_ | so i just checked my servers bios settings, nothing is oc |
| 09:23.34 | kripz_ | im dropping packets even though nothing is being sent to the server? |
| 09:24.02 | nsadmin | what's a oc? |
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| 09:24.04 | kripz_ | it's going up by like 1 billion packets per second |
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| 09:24.53 | kripz_ | overclocked |
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| 09:26.00 | nsadmin | so that's some data... |
| 09:26.14 | nsadmin | do you have a request or question? |
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| 09:26.49 | kripz_ | scroll up |
| 09:27.21 | kripz_ | Why is my server dropping packets when receiving data? http://pastebin.com/m58ca2023 |
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| 09:27.44 | kripz_ | I did notice that im using r8169 when i have a 8111c chip |
| 09:28.17 | din_os | hello, I am missing System->Administration->Language Support... can't find it in add/remove or synaptic, which package is it? |
| 09:28.43 | nsadmin | what's the pciid of it? |
| 09:28.56 | Imran-UK | kripz_, pastebin route -n |
| 09:29.47 | kripz_ | http://pastebin.com/m74a3abc4 |
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| 09:30.17 | luiX_ | hi |
| 09:30.47 | kripz_ | nsadmin, is this what you're after ? http://pastebin.com/m7e94fd89 |
| 09:30.56 | Imran-UK | kripz_, not sure. i had a lot of dropped packets concerning one of my xen vms and xen in bridged mode |
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| 09:31.25 | Imran-UK | your route looks ok |
| 09:31.46 | nsadmin | kripz_: there are a -lot- of possibilities (feed that lspci a -nn) |
| 09:32.09 | kripz_ | nsadmin, what? |
| 09:32.20 | luiX_ | anyone who can help me out with some issues about preseeds? |
| 09:32.27 | nsadmin | lspci -nn | grep ... |
| 09:32.27 | kripz_ | if i had a faulty chip/cable i would have packet errors? the counter is 0 |
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| 09:32.46 | kripz_ | it gives me the same thing in my paste |
| 09:33.05 | kripz_ | could it be flow control? |
| 09:33.09 | nsadmin | dont' you get the pciid? something that looks like 1234:1234 |
| 09:33.22 | kripz_ | ah, 10ec:8168 |
| 09:33.33 | nsadmin | now let's feed that to judd |
| 09:33.43 | nsadmin | judd, pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 09:33.44 | judd | nsadmin: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 09:34.03 | nsadmin | yep you're running that driver |
| 09:34.11 | kripz_ | so i guess i havethe right module loaded |
| 09:34.21 | nsadmin | seems that way |
| 09:34.35 | kripz_ | it looks like flow control, though im no expert. dropped packets on receive but no errors. |
| 09:34.53 | nsadmin | so it would be helpful to know where those packets are coming from |
| 09:35.01 | din_os | hmm, how do you change the default language on lenny? |
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| 09:35.10 | seeS | sometimes droppnig the speed helps |
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| 09:35.43 | nsadmin | is this a problem that started recently? |
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| 09:36.03 | penta | hello, here any one use before rsync between windows and unix systems? how that going? |
| 09:36.04 | nsadmin | i.e., same hardware, working fine sometime in the past? |
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| 09:36.16 | kripz_ | new motherboard nsadmin |
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| 09:36.32 | nsadmin | ok, what else is new? |
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| 09:36.48 | kripz_ | though i never payed attention before this, so may be a coincedence. new cpu and ram. |
| 09:36.49 | nsadmin | the mb have the eth? |
| 09:36.51 | seeS | new motherboard means new ethernet card, wasnt it onboard? |
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| 09:37.16 | kripz_ | yes its onboard |
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| 09:37.44 | nsadmin | ok... and you replaced this mobo, and before, what? it was working fine? |
| 09:38.03 | kripz_ | well its working fine now. i only just noticed the dropped packets |
| 09:38.21 | kripz_ | can i somehow find out what packets are being dropped? |
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| 09:38.48 | nsadmin | I'm wondering if you have any iptables rules |
| 09:38.52 | kripz_ | could it be moblock? |
| 09:38.56 | kripz_ | peerguardian |
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| 09:39.35 | kripz_ | because im getting a packet every second form chinese ip's etc |
| 09:40.06 | nsadmin | so it could be that this peerguardian could add rules that cause packets to drop |
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| 09:40.33 | kripz_ | i have a feeling it's that |
| 09:40.51 | nsadmin | what's your internet gateway? |
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| 09:40.57 | kripz_ | my modem router |
| 09:41.05 | kripz_ | ill disable moblock and see if it increases |
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| 09:41.20 | p0g0__ | kripz_: wireshark, netcat... |
| 09:41.53 | nsadmin | the thing is... right now neither of us have a clue as to why it' |
| 09:42.07 | nsadmin | s happening, and I suspect also -what- is happening |
| 09:42.10 | vlt | Hello. Can I get a list of packages apt(itude) needs to download for an upgrade. I want to fetch these from another machine and store them to /var/cache/apti/archives manually. |
| 09:42.42 | seeS | what about apt-get install blah and then when it says download that list you say no? |
| 09:42.55 | vlt | seeS: And how to get the list then? |
| 09:43.13 | seeS | apt shows it |
| 09:44.21 | seeS | try, it apt-get install -s mypackage |
| 09:44.26 | seeS | -s is simulation |
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| 09:46.18 | fhd | Hi. I was told that I had to install a certain package in order to make another package work. Can I somehow tell aptitude that this package, although installed by myself, was installed as a "dependency" of the package requiring it, so that both are removed once I install the first package? |
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| 09:47.33 | nsadmin | fhd: dude you're on your own with the situation you've created... but there is package equivs |
| 09:48.16 | nsadmin | apt-get install equivs |
| 09:48.21 | fhd | nsadmin: I wouldn't say I created that situation, it's bug 515747. But thanks for the hint, I'll look into equivs |
| 09:48.22 | nsadmin | and check out its docs |
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| 09:53.42 | teliti | Hi! Is there any change to get a more up-to-date iceweasel than 3.0.6, the default one in Lenny 5.0.3? |
| 09:55.46 | teliti | Ok, one more quesiton, sorry I'm new to Debian: How to get all packages that depends on a certain package displayed? apt-get ... ? |
| 09:57.06 | seeS | hmm |
| 09:57.26 | seeS | do you mean show all packages that depend on THIS package or show all packages that THIS package depends on? |
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| 09:57.46 | teliti | the first one |
| 09:58.01 | seeS | apt-cache rdepends PACKAGE |
| 09:58.11 | teliti | seeS: thank you |
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| 10:03.46 | alphanet | hi, it seems my lenny kdm does -query ok, but when -indirect through another host, it doesn't even answer the XDMCP message. As a work-around I installed gdm, which works perfectly, except the "ping" string in the remote chooser tells the OS version and not the uptime like kdm does. Is there any way to configure gdm to return the uptime instead? |
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| 10:05.48 | jaggz | I never got remote printing to work.. anyone know a good doc? can't find one (yet) |
| 10:05.48 | robin_sz | is there an easy way to replace iceweasel with firefox? |
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| 10:06.39 | jaggz | robin, I removed iceweasel, then wrote a little shell script to copy firefox to some dir (/usr/lib/firefox-3.5/ and also do a symlink of /usr/bin/iceweasel -> /usr/lib/firefox-3.5/firefox) .. |
| 10:06.53 | jaggz | then I ran checkinstall ./myinstaller.sh and told it the name was iceweasel v. 3.5 |
| 10:07.16 | petemc | jaggz: cups can automatically find network printers, and it can be as easy as providing a ppd file, or doing nothing at all if the printer is natively supported |
| 10:07.21 | jaggz | my assumption being that I can now install a later version of iceweasel and it'll remove these files and install its own |
| 10:07.27 | robin_sz | jaggz, ok, that sounds like it should do it |
| 10:07.50 | jaggz | pet, I've printed from this system using that printer too, so it's actually setup here .. hm.. |
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| 10:08.09 | robin_sz | hmm, I was thinkingof the "never seeing iceweasel again" option |
| 10:08.29 | jaggz | but I need that system to share the printer properly.. I was trying with samba a while back but couldn't get it to work.. |
| 10:08.34 | petemc | jaggz: you need to have to have cups-bsd installed for iceweasel |
| 10:08.54 | jaggz | robin, oh I see.. I think the name is stupid too. iceape, weasel... dove is okay.. but hell, ice is lame and cold. It's all unattractive |
| 10:10.07 | robin_sz | jaggz, calling it other than firefox causes significant issues when accessing various sites that "need" firefox or IE in the browser string, and I hate the iceweasel logo ;) |
| 10:10.30 | jelly | robin_sz: you can fake the User-Agent, though |
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| 10:11.05 | robin_sz | so why not ship it with the user agent set to the right thign in the first place? |
| 10:11.32 | jelly | robin_sz: because it's not Firefox. |
| 10:12.44 | robin_sz | is there a debian-like distro that ships with firefox? |
| 10:12.52 | jelly | robin_sz: go to about:config, search for useragent |
| 10:13.14 | robin_sz | just trying the user-agent switcher plugin ... |
| 10:13.19 | jelly | or that. |
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| 10:13.47 | robin_sz | err, Add-on |
| 10:15.29 | robin_sz | I appreciate there is a political "ooh, if they tell us we have to keep the name/logo, we are going to shout about it" point .. but when it actually intereferes with usability (ie unable to access my banking webshite) then its taking te point too far |
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| 10:16.43 | jaggz | is that the only problem? |
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| 10:17.37 | tetha | you should also yell at yout banks web-department for building such a horrible nonportable website |
| 10:17.52 | robin_sz | whatever |
| 10:18.15 | robin_sz | they accept firefox, no trouble |
| 10:19.08 | bigpresh | Well, they should know that Iceweasel is Firefox with a different name. Or, that browser sniffing based on the useragent is unreliable and asking for trouble, locking out legitimate users |
| 10:19.30 | jaggz | web dev sucks |
| 10:19.41 | bigpresh | FWIW, I run Iceweasel, identifying itself as Iceweasel, and my bank's internet banking and all the other sites I use work fine |
| 10:19.54 | bigpresh | The only site I've had a problem with is Quake Live; I did report it to them, I don't know if they fixed it |
| 10:20.14 | bigpresh | (A couple of clicks to fake a Firefox user-agent string just for that site, and I was in anyway) |
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| 10:22.36 | jaggz | I have cups-bsd installed, hm |
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| 10:25.14 | jaggz | I ran kcontrol, printers, print server, and added the ip:port to the server's list (it only had localhost:631) |
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| 10:37.15 | robin_sz | ah good, the user-agent-switche offers: iphone or IE6/7/8 |
| 10:37.24 | robin_sz | I suppose I'll have to be IE then |
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| 10:39.37 | penta | hey, nobody use rsync between winand nix? |
| 10:39.48 | petemc | i have done |
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| 10:40.18 | penta | petemc: did you use it? |
| 10:40.39 | petemc | see above |
| 10:41.40 | jelly | can rsync do hardlinks on ntfs? |
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| 10:42.29 | penta | i'm not sure with rsync, I do hardlinks by another tool before |
| 10:42.45 | petemc | for my backups which use hardlinks, im rsyncing from cifs mounts to a linux fs |
| 10:43.12 | penta | did you use librsync, or just rsync? |
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| 10:43.20 | penta | on windows side... |
| 10:43.25 | petemc | just rsync |
| 10:43.45 | penta | with linux side I'm completely sure |
| 10:44.11 | penta | hm... |
| 10:44.17 | penta | were you getting it? |
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| 10:45.32 | LuCasn | hi folks, I am using libavahi to do dns lookups on my debian machine, but sshing into that machine takes ages. my guess is that reverse dns lookup of the connecting client is somehow done wrong. how can I approach this problem? entering the client's ip in /etc/hosts would solve it, but thats not a very elegant solution. any ideas? |
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| 10:55.36 | vlt | Hello. Can I get a list of package URLs apt(itude) needs to download for an upgrade. I want to fetch these from another machine and store them to /var/cache/apt/archives manually. I tried `apt-get -s upgrade` but that doesn't show me a list of URLs. Any idea? |
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| 11:10.38 | bigpresh | vlt: You could use the -d option to only download the packages, and not install them |
| 11:10.55 | bigpresh | vlt: See 'man apt-get' for the details, but -d / --download-only will do what you want by the sound of it |
| 11:11.54 | wols | vlt: apt-zip is what you want |
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| 11:18.45 | myeggo | hello, this is my logrotate configuration: http://pastebin.com/m7020dffa - but it still stores the log weekly, someone could give me a link or any idea about how to make it working? thanks in advance |
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| 11:20.04 | penta | petemc: your rsync use cygwin1.dll? |
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| 11:21.03 | penta | or any other cygwin features |
| 11:21.28 | petemc | penta: it was a while ago when i set it up, i use cygwin, yes |
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| 11:23.14 | penta | ugh, it's so wrost;( |
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| 11:28.44 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 11:28.55 | d_b | I deleted a file with mc (midnight commander) and accidentally pressed skip. The file is gone from the folder though, will it still take up space or what? |
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| 11:30.31 | aprendiz001 | I am doing a bash script, how can I compare decimal numbers? |
| 11:30.39 | aprendiz001 | I am getting errors |
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| 11:37.30 | slummer | aprendiz001:http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/advanced_bash_scripting_guide/comparison-ops.html |
| 11:37.38 | mhymn | aprendiz001: #bash |
| 11:38.01 | aprendiz001 | thanks |
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| 11:48.08 | vlt | wols: Thank you. I'll try apt-zip. |
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| 11:56.39 | ttyX | anyone using sidux? |
| 11:57.15 | ttyX | I would just like to know if it supports jfs as an install option |
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| 12:10.52 | Archero | I'm runing xterm + mocp, mc, alsamixer... but all curses lines shows bad.. use letters for lines, but If i run into aterm show fine, why? |
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| 12:14.59 | jelly | Archero: are you using an UTF-8 enabled locale? |
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| 12:15.29 | jelly | Archero: does running uxterm make a difference? |
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| 12:25.02 | Faithful | Hey, can someone help... I have a linux box I'm shelled into but it seems that / is not mounted, well when I look at what's mounted I don't see / mounted and when I run df on the partition / is on I gives me tmpfs mounted on /dev |
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| 12:26.05 | tga | greetings |
| 12:26.29 | tga | what is the most elegant way of ignoring the gateway dhcp setting on a single interface? |
| 12:26.58 | Titan8990 | tga, delete the route and add the one you want? |
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| 12:27.06 | tga | Titan8990: permanently |
| 12:27.41 | Titan8990 | thats going to be tough |
| 12:27.52 | marcin_ | I need to create udev rules but in initramfs during the boot. How should I do it in elegant way? I tried to edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udev by adding lines which create rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/. But it doesn't work. |
| 12:28.17 | b_1_one | Faithfull: if you have hda disk try fdisk /dev/hda to see linux partitions |
| 12:29.25 | wols | Faithful: could be something special like a chroot or otherwise restricted environment |
| 12:29.56 | wols | tga: post script in /etc/network/interfaces? possibly dhcp.conf or similar in /etc/ |
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| 12:30.22 | tga | wols: I'm playing with dhclient.conf now, small chance I got it working |
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| 12:59.41 | JyZyXEL | if i: 'dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.img' from a 16 GB HDD and then 'dd if=sda.img of=/dev/sdb' to a 30GB HDD, the partition tools will probably show me some incorrect size information? |
| 13:00.00 | mischief | probably |
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| 13:00.07 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how to fix that? |
| 13:00.29 | mischief | you could resize the partitions after dd'ing it to the new disk |
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| 13:00.49 | p0g0 | JyZyXEL: or don't use dd, make the partition and FS, then cp -a -x |
| 13:00.52 | JyZyXEL | but are the partitioning tools gonna "see" the new space |
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| 13:01.06 | mischief | JyZyXEL, yes? |
| 13:01.18 | JyZyXEL | p0g0: sda has 2 ext3 and 2 ntfs partitions so i don't feel like doing a FS copy |
| 13:01.22 | mischief | partitioning tools work at the disk level |
| 13:01.28 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
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| 13:01.58 | jelly | JyZyXEL: fdisk-like tools read what's on disk. The _kernel_ however needs to be told to reread the partition table. |
| 13:02.13 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking of using gparted |
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| 13:03.29 | jelly | JyZyXEL: if any of those are Linux (ext2 or ext3) partitions, I'd suggest creating fresh partitions and copying the files instead. Instant defrag! |
| 13:03.49 | jelly | (what p0g0 said) |
| 13:04.01 | catsup_ | p0g0: or copy the partitions, not the disk |
| 13:04.27 | jelly | catsup_: eh, same thing except for losing the mbr |
| 13:04.29 | catsup_ | p0g0: actually you'll get better performance using a higher level copy, even for ntfs there's a tool that will do a copy that won't copy empty space |
| 13:04.52 | catsup_ | jelly: he wants to change the partition table |
| 13:05.14 | jelly | eventually yes, seeing as it's a bigger disk at the destination |
| 13:05.25 | tga | I have a post-up line in my /etc/network/interfaces with a proper route command, but it never gets executed.. any idea why that might be? |
| 13:05.45 | jelly | but 15GB is small enough not to bother with searching for a partimage-like tool |
| 13:05.47 | catsup_ | pastebin |
| 13:05.59 | wols | JyZyXEL: copy the full disk and then use gparted |
| 13:06.12 | wols | copying partitions is NOT good: the filesystem will be too small |
| 13:06.41 | catsup_ | uh |
| 13:06.41 | jelly | wols: huh? |
| 13:06.41 | catsup_ | wols: copying the disk implies copying the partitions |
| 13:06.47 | jelly | wols: he can resize the filesystems afterwards |
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| 13:06.59 | wols | catsup_: yes. and your point is? |
| 13:07.00 | jelly | with the very same tool |
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| 13:07.19 | catsup_ | wols: thus what you say is self-contradictory |
| 13:07.31 | jelly | wols: in fact, copying filesystems will make him skip the filesystem-moving time |
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| 13:07.46 | wols | jelly: didn't know gparted did that |
| 13:08.13 | jelly | wols: well if it can resize fs + partition, obviously it can just resize a fd |
| 13:08.15 | jelly | fs* |
| 13:09.39 | wols | no. afaik windows resizing programs could not |
| 13:10.08 | catsup_ | resizing fs isn't even necessary, just a way to reduce the number of inodes for no reason. this whole exercise is silly. the simple fdisk mkfs cp is fastest, most flexible... |
| 13:10.15 | JyZyXEL | ntfsprogs offers ntfs resize |
| 13:10.16 | wols | just because a tool can do it internally, doesn't mean it exposes the interface to do it externally |
| 13:10.37 | jelly | wols: or just use resize2fs or ntfsresize manually |
| 13:10.46 | wols | ntfsprog is not a windows resizing program, is it? |
| 13:10.52 | catsup_ | jeeze wols |
| 13:11.00 | catsup_ | ntfsprogs is the package that provides ntfsresize |
| 13:11.17 | jelly | wols: this is not ##windows :> |
| 13:11.36 | mischief | can anyone tell me how to have packages from a particular repo have higher priority than other packages? |
| 13:11.38 | wols | gives up. analphabets give high blood pressure |
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| 13:11.48 | wols | mischief: usually version number based |
| 13:11.49 | mischief | also, how can i reinstall a package and reinstall all of its dependencies? |
| 13:12.09 | wols | or you can set priority for repos manually |
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| 13:12.45 | jelly | mischief: if the repo has its own Origin set up in the Release file, you can do it via /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 13:13.01 | jelly | mischief: (answer to the first question only) |
| 13:13.42 | wols | mischief: maybe you can get a list of dependencies via apt-redpends and use that for installing the dependencies |
| 13:13.51 | mischief | jelly, no, it's a file:/ repo |
| 13:14.01 | wols | *apt-rdepends |
| 13:14.49 | jelly | JyZyXEL: there's moer than one way to do it. You can a) copy the whole disk then use [g]parted; b) use gparted, make a new partition table first, then copy each partition and extend them afterwards if needed; or c) make new partitions _and_ filesystems, then copy the files |
| 13:15.40 | wols | wouldn't copying files change atime? |
| 13:15.50 | jelly | mischief: you're your own master of the Release file then, aren't you. I don't know how to use it though. |
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| 13:16.07 | jelly | wols: yes. |
| 13:16.17 | mischief | jelly, it's a repo built by apt-build, you see |
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| 13:16.49 | jelly | mischief: I don't know how to use that, either |
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| 13:17.07 | jelly | does file repos with dpkg-scanpackages :-| |
| 13:17.25 | mischief | d'oh. :( i want my packages that i build to have higher priority than packages from regular mirrors |
| 13:18.03 | catsup_ | you can pin them higher too |
| 13:19.01 | mischief | i tried that, it doesn't seem to be working. :[ |
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| 13:21.01 | mischief | http://paste.debian.net/48968/ is what my sources and apt_preferences looks like |
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| 13:22.21 | jelly | mischief: do they have higher versions than packages on mirrors? |
| 13:22.35 | mischief | no |
| 13:22.51 | jelly | making local rebuilds with exact same versions leads to much pain |
| 13:22.58 | mischief | apt-build builds them just with optimizations, exactly as they were before |
| 13:22.59 | jelly | bumpe the versions a bit. |
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| 13:23.14 | mischief | i don't think there is a way with apt-build |
| 13:23.19 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 13:24.17 | Titan8990 | good luck with apt-build.... needs A LOT of work imo |
| 13:24.31 | mischief | :x |
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| 13:25.13 | jelly | since bumping versions is a common way of dealing with the situation, it's a bit unusual for a tool not to provide a way to plug a changelog entry somewhere in the process |
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| 13:26.00 | yacyac | how do i get skype.. i dont see it in aptitude |
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| 13:26.25 | jelly | !skype |
| 13:26.25 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 13:28.18 | jelly | mischief: also, rtfm /usr/share/doc/apt-build/README.Debian |
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| 13:28.53 | mischief | yes yes i've been reading :p |
| 13:28.59 | jelly | mischief: there's a pinning ("apt/preferences") tip right there |
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| 13:31.14 | jelly | heh |
| 13:31.14 | yacyac | thanks |
| 13:31.14 | jelly | BUGS -- Many. |
| 13:31.15 | jelly | at least they're honest |
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| 13:34.28 | mischief | oh for cryin out loud. >:\ no matter what i do it always pulls the file from my regular mirror |
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| 13:34.33 | Dominicus | I mounted an NFS mount did a lot of copying to it, and then I shut down the box that was serving the nfs mount. That was some hours ago. Shouldn't the box that was accessing the NFS mount from before be able to reestablish a connection to the nfs server box that I just brought up? I'm worried about not having closed the mount properly now. Should I be concerned? |
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| 13:37.55 | bvs | mischief, i'm guessing you tried a pinning number above 1000 for you local apt-build repo? |
| 13:38.08 | bvs | your |
| 13:38.11 | mischief | it's at 1001 right now :x |
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| 13:47.58 | jure | where do scripts which run after the end of each session reside in debian? |
| 13:48.29 | Dominicus | jure: Each session of what? |
| 13:48.53 | jure | each session of a logged in user via the cli? |
| 13:49.50 | jure | i want to clear the screen after logging out |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | jure: you could use .bash_logout if they're using bash |
| 13:50.15 | jure | i'm using zsh |
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| 13:52.00 | jure | is /etc/zsh/logout it? |
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| 13:52.54 | abrotman | man zsh ? |
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| 13:55.38 | jure | it's /etc/zsh/zlogout. |
| 13:55.40 | mischief | awesome, google chrome in debian c: |
| 13:55.58 | spldart | woah.. really? |
| 13:58.20 | mischief | yeah |
| 13:58.27 | mischief | google provides debs too |
| 13:58.37 | abrotman | that's not *in* debian |
| 13:58.53 | spldart | I thought it was.. oh.. sry .. off topic |
| 13:59.00 | mischief | it's 'in' my debian system :p |
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| 14:01.07 | larcen_ | hi all |
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| 14:02.31 | brad_ | how do I track down a kernel panic ? |
| 14:02.55 | pingouin | i would not comfortable using google chrome browser :/ |
| 14:03.09 | abrotman | brad_: start by loooking at the stuff it dumps to the screen |
| 14:03.24 | pingouin | google is not my (our ?) friend |
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| 14:04.08 | brad_ | read that, but it only said there was something out of sync, and I had to reboot in a hurry and did not get a chance to writ it down |
| 14:04.21 | brad_ | the /var/log/kernel and dmesg don't show anything about it |
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| 14:05.01 | spldart | meh.. I did some gsoc mentoring 2k8 and 2k9 on bzflag project. Google is alright sponsoring stuff like that imho. |
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| 14:06.15 | spldart | Now I feel the need to try chrome. |
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| 14:08.56 | moty66 | Google's chrome is not the fastest browser, lynx is much much much faster and lighter |
| 14:09.00 | mischief | http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel#TOC-Linux |
| 14:09.03 | mischief | :x |
| 14:09.18 | tga | moty66: netcat is the fastest browser evar! |
| 14:09.24 | moty66 | hides |
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| 14:11.28 | moty66 | does net cat render html ? hrmmmm |
| 14:12.28 | wols | does lynx have a decent javascript engine? can it even display images? |
| 14:13.31 | DetroitLibertyPe | LOL |
| 14:14.45 | moty66 | no need for images on terminal window. and javascript sucks :) |
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| 14:15.46 | tga | html sucks too |
| 14:16.01 | DetroitLibertyPe | vacuum cleaners suck |
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| 14:17.53 | mischief | i think the local repo isn't working because aptitude thinks it is untrusted. |
| 14:19.03 | larcen_ | i have a wireless card (rt2500 miniPCI) working ok with 2.6.30-2-686 kernel, but the same drivers and the same configuration with 2.6.30-2-amd64 kernel give me this error: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Argument list too long. Failed to bring up wlan0. |
| 14:19.07 | larcen_ | any idea? |
| 14:19.56 | wols | larcen_: different debian installs or simply 64bit kernel with 32bit userland? |
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| 14:20.35 | larcen_ | it's the 64 bit kernel with previous 32 bits installation |
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| 14:23.08 | larcen_ | wols: is it neccesary to reinstall debian to change from 32 to 64 bit kernel?? |
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| 14:26.14 | pif | hi, is there a package to install a netbootable debian installer? |
| 14:27.03 | brad_ | if I'm only installing openvpn do I need swap space? |
| 14:27.08 | wols | larcen_: no. however certain userland applications might not work when the access kernel interfaces |
| 14:27.22 | wols | 32bit userland calling 64bit kernel stuff that is |
| 14:27.54 | wols | for example, 32bit iptables didn't work for some time with a 64bit kernel. your problem could be similar |
| 14:28.15 | wols | pif: makes no sense. install an installer on an already installed debian? |
| 14:28.41 | wols | pif: but maybe check out debootstrap |
| 14:28.44 | pif | wols: no, an net-installer for other machines on the lan |
| 14:28.58 | wols | !pxe |
| 14:28.58 | dpkg | from memory, pxe is Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 Also ask about <gPXE>. |
| 14:29.22 | larcen_ | wols: thak you...this is probably my problem |
| 14:29.24 | wols | basically you set up a (t)ftp server with debian netinst images and do a network boot on the client machines |
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| 14:30.12 | wols | there are several different methods to do booting over the network btw |
| 14:30.19 | larcen_ | but the repositories for 32 and 64 bit are the same?? (this is only curiosity) |
| 14:30.40 | SlayerXP | also you then curse and kick and screan at both FAI and preseeding as both are roughly 40 times harder to use than Kickstart and about 8 times less flexible. |
| 14:30.47 | SlayerXP | scream |
| 14:30.47 | wols | larcen_: of course not. one are 32bit binaries, the other consists of 64bit binaries. different architectures |
| 14:31.29 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a trouble with gnome nm-applet. I have Intel 5100AGN Wireless, i'm now connected to the Access Point, so it's working but i can't see anything in nm-applet :/ any ideas how to start this working? |
| 14:32.13 | larcen_ | ok...i have never seem the URL for 64 bit repositories...this is another problem :) |
| 14:32.46 | larcen_ | thank you again...i need to learm about first of doing experiments ;) |
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| 14:34.14 | wols | larcen_: the URL is the same |
| 14:34.40 | Piliman | hello guys |
| 14:34.44 | wols | just install from a 64bit installer and you automatically get 64bit binaries when installing |
| 14:35.04 | Piliman | do someone are using IPMI to detect disk failure |
| 14:35.07 | wols | larcen_: the arch name is amd64 btw |
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| 14:35.35 | Piliman | I'm on a Debian eth and a Dell PE 1850!! |
| 14:35.37 | wols | !tell Piliman about someone |
| 14:35.54 | larcen_ | wols: ok...but the source code of the drivers was downloaded with a 32 bit kernel, so probably i need to download the package again |
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| 14:36.09 | wols | pif: you still haven't asked a sensible question. and you know what pratchett says about multiple exclamation marks |
| 14:36.19 | larcen_ | with the 64 bit kernel...i think |
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| 14:36.30 | wols | larcen_: no source code is not 64bit or 32bit. but why did you source for it in the first place? |
| 14:36.50 | wols | Piliman: that was for you, not pif, sorry pif |
| 14:37.36 | Piliman | great! Thanks! I'm new on IRC |
| 14:38.13 | Piliman | I' currently have a problem with a disk failure |
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| 14:39.03 | Piliman | I manage a remote system and the guy tell me the hard drive has a yellow led |
| 14:39.16 | Piliman | this means a hard drive failure |
| 14:39.19 | wols | !enter |
| 14:39.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:39.45 | M06w | is ssh access enabled by default? |
| 14:39.58 | OpenTokix | M06w: No |
| 14:40.01 | M06w | damn |
| 14:40.02 | Titan8990 | M06w, if you install ssh server |
| 14:40.11 | Piliman | but how can I verify it using IPMI?? |
| 14:40.14 | wols | M06w: especially since there is not really a "default debian" |
| 14:40.29 | wols | Piliman: is this user running debian? |
| 14:40.38 | M06w | well there is the iso provided by the site, that's pretty default |
| 14:40.48 | Piliman | yes!debian etch |
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| 14:40.50 | Upgreydd | hi all, i have a trouble with gnome nm-applet. I have Intel 5100AGN Wireless, i'm now connected to the Access Point, so it's working but i can't see anything in nm-applet :/ any ideas how to start this working? |
| 14:40.53 | jelly | Piliman: tried googling for your machine model and linux and disk failure? |
| 14:40.54 | larcen_ | wols: i had problems with the module for rt2500 that came with the kernel because a bug...so i read and i found that the solution would be to install the rt2500 drivers from serialmonkey |
| 14:41.00 | wols | Piliman: ssh into the machine and use smartmontools |
| 14:41.37 | jelly | wols: if it's a Dell with raid, the OS will only see the raid array. |
| 14:41.55 | Piliman | I already install hdparm and will install smartmontools! But I'm sure this would work with perc card |
| 14:41.57 | wols | :( |
| 14:42.01 | Piliman | and raid mode |
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| 14:42.14 | wols | Piliman: unlikely as jelly said |
| 14:42.15 | Piliman | right |
| 14:42.15 | jelly | Piliman: right, you need perc specific tools. Check Dell's linux site. |
| 14:42.34 | Piliman | perc 4/Di |
| 14:42.44 | wols | larcen_: how much memory do you have? |
| 14:42.56 | ultraj63 | perc4 is a hardware raid |
| 14:42.57 | M06w | surely, if you have hardware raid, the hardware has some sort of interface you can use to check the details of the drives' actual operation |
| 14:43.01 | larcen_ | wols: 2 GB |
| 14:43.14 | M06w | though, dell... |
| 14:43.14 | wols | larcen_: then 32bit is fine unless you have a really good reason to run amd64 |
| 14:43.22 | ultraj63 | dell perc cards work under linux |
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| 14:43.41 | wols | ultraj63: the question is how well :) |
| 14:43.51 | jelly | M06w: it does. There are usually vendor specific tools. |
| 14:44.04 | ultraj63 | http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml |
| 14:44.15 | ultraj63 | pretty well |
| 14:44.29 | ultraj63 | you can get a dell server with linux on it |
| 14:44.34 | ultraj63 | theyre tested and stable |
| 14:44.54 | larcen_ | wols: i thought that 64 bit kernel would improve the performance of the CPU, but if not, i let the 32 bit kernel running. |
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| 14:45.38 | guk | from what I understand you don't see much of a performance improvment unless > 4gb RAM or your doing some mad number crunching |
| 14:46.00 | wols | larcen_: it's a wash. while it allows bigger registers and registersets, it also increases codesize which means it uses up more cache for the same programs/data and has higher memory access times |
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| 14:46.07 | ultraj63 | database server would see an improvement probably |
| 14:46.08 | jelly | larcen_: it depends on your actual applications. Some work better under 32bit, some under 64bit. |
| 14:46.15 | guk | yeah |
| 14:46.16 | Piliman | I'm already google and it seems that I could only use snmpd |
| 14:46.36 | M06w | theoretically, 64bit improves the processor's ability to work with large variables, in practice, you probably won't find too many things that need to be done with large variables, so the main gain is the ram limit |
| 14:46.42 | wols | ultraj63: even when the DB server only has 2GB RAM? |
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| 14:47.31 | ultraj63 | they like ram |
| 14:47.32 | ultraj63 | i dunno |
| 14:47.48 | larcen_ | wols: thanks again, i will work with with the 32 bit kernel... :) |
| 14:48.03 | larcen_ | jelly: thanks too |
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| 14:49.25 | M06w | maybe I'm a heavy user, but my system tends to idle between 2.5gb and 4gb, so I definitely see the benefit of having 8gb ram |
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| 14:50.05 | jelly | Piliman: you'll want those perc-cerc-apps mentioned on the link by ultraj63 |
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| 14:50.59 | Piliman | I wil check |
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| 14:52.09 | M06w | so, practical challenge! my server is 15 ft away, and has no monitor or ssh server, vnc is configured but doesn't activate until a user logs in locally, how do I do that, from here |
| 14:52.27 | marcin_ | Hi. Can you tell what is wrong with this udev rule: KERNEL=="eth1", PROGRAM="/root/udev_ethernet_entries %k", SYSFS{address}=="%c" |
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| 14:52.39 | marcin_ | Script udev_ethernet_entries return mac address. |
| 14:52.49 | ultraj63 | go plug in your monitor |
| 14:53.07 | jelly | M06w: and set up ssh server. |
| 14:53.15 | M06w | ultra, the only spare monitors are 15ft in the other direction, and CRTs |
| 14:53.32 | M06w | jelly, I have to get network access first |
| 14:53.38 | ultraj63 | get buff and carry one |
| 14:53.40 | jelly | M06w: are you too weak to move a CRT? |
| 14:53.48 | M06w | lazy, not weak |
| 14:53.57 | bzed | marcin_: uh, what do you want to do? |
| 14:53.58 | ultraj63 | spill more food on your shirt |
| 14:54.04 | ultraj63 | and then give up |
| 14:54.09 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. Unfortunately I'm forced to run graphical environment on a very limited resource machine (P2 400 and 256 ram. Total 6 gbytes hdd). Is lxde still the most economical/slim graphical environment? If yes, then how can I migrate to it from gnome, installed by default? |
| 14:54.16 | jelly | an excellent plan, ultraj63 |
| 14:54.20 | marcin_ | bzed: I need to set mac address for ethernets. |
| 14:54.47 | jelly | hid3: install lxde, make sure it works, remove gnome |
| 14:54.50 | wols | M06w: log in blind, then get a sshd |
| 14:54.52 | bzed | marcin_: I'd use pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:55.20 | jelly | !tell hid3 -about remove gnome |
| 14:55.34 | marcin_ | bzed: I need to do it in automatic way. I have about 20 machines where I need to change these macs. |
| 14:55.38 | hid3 | jelly, should I just apt-get for it, or is there any special tools/packages which need to be prepared/preinstalled for it? |
| 14:55.55 | jelly | hid3: just install it. (also, aptitude preferred over apt-get) |
| 14:55.55 | hid3 | Thanks! |
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| 14:56.12 | zinx | marcin_: network interfaces are not devices in Linux |
| 14:56.13 | hid3 | yeah, I know, it seems to be more conflict-friendly |
| 14:56.41 | zinx | marcin_: you can configure the name of the interface with /etc/network/interfaces on Debian. |
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| 14:57.01 | marcin_ | zinx: so insted KERNEL, i should use NAME= |
| 14:57.44 | zinx | marcin_: no, udev doesn't control network interfaces *AT ALL*, because udev only handles devices |
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| 14:59.38 | zinx | marcin_: install and configure ifrename or use mappings in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces) |
| 14:59.53 | zinx | marcin_: in any case, you CAN NOT create a device node for a network interface in Linux |
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| 15:00.36 | zinx | marcin_: many other unix-like OSs do allow that, but Linux doesn't. |
| 15:00.46 | Faithful | hey, I'm ssh'd into a box... my / is not mounting correctly. It seems I have / mounted in tmpfs ... where to from here? |
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| 15:01.32 | larcen_ | bye |
| 15:01.36 | jelly | Faithful: what what? Pastebin your /proc/mounts and /etc/fstab |
| 15:01.51 | Faithful | tnx jelly |
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| 15:02.07 | cls`work | is it possible to build a custom kernel during install? or are you forced to either brew your own CD or install a default image first? |
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| 15:02.28 | mikeX | hello, does anyone know how to reinstroduce Fixed as an xft font? |
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| 15:02.32 | Faithful | cls`work, precompile package & deploy |
| 15:02.54 | xrfang | are there any korean user here? |
| 15:02.55 | jelly | cls`work: um... build it later? |
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| 15:03.45 | cls`work | jelly: the question was if it could be done without building it later :) |
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| 15:03.49 | brad_ | I've got 3 servers, which would be faster, a crossover cable from server to server for each or have then all share a network switch ? |
| 15:04.23 | dcestari | hello anyone, I'm having an error while booting "udevd-event[2523]: run_program /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit" |
| 15:04.37 | Faithful | jelly, http://pastebin.com/m420dc2a1 |
| 15:04.40 | jelly | cls`work: the thing is, installer kernel is meant to be replaced afterwards by a more optimal build |
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| 15:05.36 | cls`work | jelly: I understand that :) I was just wondering if it could be done *during* install |
| 15:05.36 | jelly | Faithful: seems to be in perfect order, => /dev/md0 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 15:05.37 | Faithful | brad_, crossover |
| 15:05.37 | jelly | Faithful: if md0 is your root fs |
| 15:05.37 | catsup_ | brad_: 3 crossover cables and 2 nics per machine would be faster |
| 15:05.40 | Faithful | yes |
| 15:05.42 | Faithful | but... |
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| 15:05.59 | cls`work | As in, instead of installing a base image, give me kernel configuration dialog and build it straight from a selected kernel.org source |
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| 15:06.20 | catsup_ | brad_: but probably not enough to justify actually doing it... |
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| 15:06.29 | jelly | Faithful: the rootfs thing is a consequence of the way Debian initramfs is done (I think), ignore it |
| 15:07.13 | brad_ | I've got 3 nics, one for the network interface, and 2 for interserver communicaion, but since I've added that 3rd card, the kernel has paniced twice, and apache and samba both called me bad words |
| 15:07.20 | catsup_ | [well, maybe: it would be almost twice as fast.] |
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| 15:07.40 | brad_ | it COULD be twice as fast, only under load right ? |
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| 15:07.56 | Titan8990 | jelly, it doesn't have to with initramfs (i don't think).... I don't use initramfs in gentoo but I have a similar entry in my /etc/mtab |
| 15:08.00 | catsup_ | right i mean that maximum theoretical throughput would be double |
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| 15:08.25 | jelly | Faithful: I have no idea where your /tmp gets mounted from though, and it's quite small (1MB?) |
| 15:08.32 | Piet | is it a common setup that the postgres user on a lenny system has a valid shell and that his home directory is /var/lib/postgres/ ? |
| 15:08.35 | brad_ | it's only a nfs for vmware, and some vmware communication stuff |
| 15:08.37 | Titan8990 | jelly, I think it may actually be RAID/LVM related... I do have lvm on my gentoo system and it does not appear on my current non-raid debian system |
| 15:09.07 | Piet | actually i'm wonderig what the default setup would be |
| 15:09.10 | Faithful | http://pastebin.com/m1253eae1 |
| 15:09.41 | catsup_ | Titan8990: but you must have initramfs support in your kernel anyway... that rootfs entry is for the initramfs which can't be unmounted |
| 15:10.31 | mischief | W: Conflicting distribution: file: apt-build Release (expected apt-build but got ) :\ |
| 15:10.44 | mischief | i even signed a gpg key for it. apt-build fails! |
| 15:10.57 | jelly | Faithful: I have no idea why your /etc/mtab (what df and mount show) doesn't have an entry for your /, either |
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| 15:11.13 | catsup_ | mtab is maintained by the mount command |
| 15:11.15 | cls`work | I often use find and it's 'exec' command combined with cat & grep to find data in a bunch of files... is it possible to have it spit out the filename too? because of the pipe to grep I can echo all I want, it wont show up |
| 15:11.27 | catsup_ | it can get out of sync if for example your /etc is read-only while you perform a mount |
| 15:11.38 | catsup_ | you can just cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab to fix it |
| 15:11.45 | jelly | Faithful: "vmhost" suggests you're using some sort of a virtualization technology |
| 15:12.05 | Faithful | That's true |
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| 15:12.20 | Faithful | but it is just Virtualbox so it is userland |
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| 15:12.29 | Faithful | and this is not a VM |
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| 15:12.56 | Faithful | http://pastebin.com/m1253eae1 |
| 15:13.34 | jelly | Faithful: you already pasted that url |
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| 15:15.17 | Faithful | sorry |
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| 15:21.57 | squeegy | how can i modify PATH when sudo'ing? |
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| 15:22.18 | squeegy | I tried /etc/environment with no luck... |
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| 15:25.29 | dcestari | hello anyone got udevd-event run_program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit" ever ? |
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| 15:26.40 | dcestari | while booting? |
| 15:26.46 | dcestari | I'm trying to debug this |
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| 15:27.05 | borco | hi |
| 15:27.52 | borco | i'm using unstable and discovered that my usb stick is dead slow |
| 15:28.08 | borco | has been reported anything related with usb recently? |
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| 15:28.30 | borco | any idea what should i check? |
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| 15:30.26 | dcestari | how can I debug a boot error? I can't see all the trace |
| 15:30.47 | brad_ | I couldn't figure out why my network was not working, until I found this in my /etc/network/interfaces netmask 255.255.255.255.0 |
| 15:31.18 | Piliman | I found a solution about my disk failure and IPMI |
| 15:31.38 | Piliman | finally I use the omreport tools with Dell Openmanage |
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| 15:38.25 | rgr | Out of curiosity I tried the "startup manager" which installed a status bar/splash on boot instead of the usual text scroll. It's truly horrible and barely works, but deleting it in "startup manager" does not remove this splash screen stuff. Is there an easy way to do it? |
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| 15:46.58 | tuxG | hi |
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| 15:47.16 | tuxG | hi |
| 15:47.49 | tuxG | my connexion speed is very slow on debian |
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| 15:48.07 | tuxG | i try with ubuntu and every thing is fine |
| 15:49.00 | tuxG | i use ppp |
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| 15:49.15 | rgr | hmm fdupes seems to do a good job! |
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| 15:51.18 | PerfDave | Is there a way to do "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" without automatically restarting the daemon? |
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| 15:52.10 | jelly | PerfDave: without editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.{config,postinst}? |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | doesn't actually know |
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| 15:52.52 | PerfDave | jelly: For preference. I just want to do it the once - I'm doing "chroot /target dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" during a Xen VM install |
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| 16:00.04 | ciphergoth | I've written a bit of software called "mercurial-server" that I'm now trying to turn into a Debian package. At install time, it needs to create a new user called "hg" and run a program as them. I'm using debhelper. What do I need to do? |
| 16:00.20 | PerfDave | ciphergoth: (Hi BTW, LTNS) you might want to ask #debian-devel |
| 16:00.46 | ciphergoth | hello! Will do - thanks! |
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| 16:01.30 | themill | ciphergoth: #debian-mentors on oftc might be the best place to ask |
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| 16:03.17 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm trying to reconfigure exim4 noninteractively. debconf-set-selections seems to work, but not update the config file; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config overwrites what's in the debconf database. Details at: http://pastebin.com/m2716147a |
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| 16:04.48 | themill | PerfDave: it's not just update-exim4.conf after feeding debconf-set-selections? |
| 16:05.04 | PerfDave | themill: Nope, because update-exim4.conf.conf isn't updated :) |
| 16:05.32 | themill | urgh |
| 16:05.59 | PerfDave | is also hoping to avoid anything that's exim-specific as is trying to create generic methods of applying config from a preseed to a package |
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| 16:08.58 | jelly | PerfDave: I think the script reads any existing config file and uses as a base for the answers |
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| 16:09.27 | jelly | PerfDave: does wiping .conf.conf + preseeding (or set-selections) do the trick? |
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| 16:09.47 | helo_ | what log file does dhcp3-server log to? |
| 16:10.04 | greycat | it probably uses a syslog facility |
| 16:10.11 | jelly | helo_: grep dhcpd /var/log/daemon.log I think |
| 16:10.25 | jelly | or is it dhcp3-server |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | stupid ISC software. |
| 16:10.43 | PerfDave | jelly: Nope, I think set-selections just updates the debconf database - I need to find the right way to get the debconf database reflected in the update-exim4.conf.conf file and dpkg-reconfigure ain't it |
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| 16:10.54 | greycat | I'd be really surprised if it doesn't just use syslog |
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| 16:11.16 | jelly | PerfDave: that's what set-selecitons is for. I hoped a (noninteractive) reconf would regenerate it |
| 16:11.35 | jelly | er s/it$/the conf.conf/ |
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| 16:12.31 | rhsanborn | Is anyone running the catalyst 9.9 drivers on lenny? specifically with a 4870? |
| 16:13.43 | themill | PerfDave: the comments in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf indicate that you can just ignore debconf entirely and mess with that file directly. |
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| 16:14.46 | PerfDave | themill: Yeah, that doesn't really work for me - I don't want to maintain seperate debconf and non-debconf ways of updating Exim configs for preseed and Xen installs. |
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| 16:14.58 | themill | yeah, that would be messy |
| 16:15.06 | PerfDave | And I'd like to have something I can roll out for multiple packages, not just exim. |
| 16:15.27 | PerfDave | Surely there must be some command I can execute to actually apply the contents of the debconf database to the config files for a package? |
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| 16:18.47 | themill | PerfDave: there are ways of frigging with dpkg-reconfigure -- you can set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive (not sure if that makes it a noop or if it just doesn't prompt). Or perhaps --unseen-only? |
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| 16:22.30 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - an apt question: I have removed the stock nvidia driver installed by apt and replaced it with one from their FTP. Great. Now I have upgraded versions of libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri and the upgrade broke my manually installed nvidia driver ... |
| 16:22.35 | Sverre | My Debian box is having some weird DNS issues at my friends place, on their Windows boxes everything works just fine, but on Debian I can't even wget anything, the weirdest part is that I _can_ ping a url, get it's IP and then wget _that_. Any clue as to what's going on and how I can fix it? |
| 16:22.57 | ToreadorVampire | ... the question is - is there a way to remove (or at least tell apt never to attempt to upgrade) that package without fully removing them? |
| 16:23.02 | PerfDave | ToreadorVampire: That's why you shouldn't use nVidia's upstream drivers |
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| 16:24.17 | ToreadorVampire | I had a look at removing them but umpteen other packages depend on them and removal would basically strip away every x11 app I have installed |
| 16:25.10 | ToreadorVampire | So I think I need a way to "lie" to apt and tell it "hey, this package is installed but actually it is not installed (the stuff it provides was provided by the manually-installed driver) ... |
| 16:25.29 | ToreadorVampire | ... or maybe just prevent apt from ever trying to update it |
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| 16:26.28 | PerfDave | ToreadorVampire: Just use the Debian nVidia drivers, because they're designed to work nicely with your system's package manager |
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| 16:27.31 | PerfDave | (or just use the free drivers and save yourself from nasty security holes) |
| 16:27.35 | themill | ToreadorVampire: this isn't apt's fault, and you don't need to try to fix apt -- you need to fix the nvidia drivers. /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 16:28.56 | GNeRaL | hey hello :) |
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| 16:30.31 | GNeRaL | E: Package libapache-mod-ssl has no installation candidate |
| 16:30.34 | GNeRaL | what should i do? |
| 16:30.49 | ToreadorVampire | Oh ... I had not realised it was such a sticky issue here ... I might go back and try debian's driver from the repos ... uninstalling the repos-installed driver has been a habit I picked up from my Ubuntu days, because ubuntu allowed buggy drivers to get into their repos :( |
| 16:31.21 | themill | GNeRaL: you probably want apache 2 not apache 1.3 (and apache2 has this build in) |
| 16:31.30 | PerfDave | ToreadorVampire: It's not a sticky issue. Debian's nVidia drivers work well with apt, and nVidia's don't. So you can use whichever you like, but if you use nVidia's, you'll have problems like the one you're having :) |
| 16:31.54 | GNeRaL | yes, rigt th0ger |
| 16:32.00 | GNeRaL | pardon, right themill |
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| 16:32.50 | GNeRaL | themill, but, libapache2-mod-ssl , no package available? What should i do? |
| 16:33.04 | greycat | GNeRaL: themill just told you that it's built into apache2 |
| 16:33.04 | PerfDave | GNeRaL: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 16:33.28 | ToreadorVampire | PerfDave: Mmm, well in Ubuntu it was a total necessity for me - I could either use nvidia's drivers installed manually or I could have my xserver crash every few hours ... I will admit that I haven't really tried debian's stock nvidia driver though, through force of habit one of the first things I did when installing Debian was to manually switch drivers |
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| 16:33.36 | themill | GNeRaL: a separate package isn't actually required for apache2 to do ssl |
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| 16:33.56 | GNeRaL | i've error : Invalid command 'SSLEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 16:34.59 | themill | GNeRaL: "s2enmod ssl" should solve that |
| 16:35.07 | themill | err... "a2enmod ssl" |
| 16:35.17 | themill | is failing at typing today |
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| 16:35.32 | PerfDave | GNeRaL: First things first - why are you trying to use Apache 1.x rather than the current Apache? |
| 16:35.52 | greycat | I wouldn't assume that he is, PerfDave |
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| 16:36.09 | greycat | perhaps he's got an apache 1.3 configuration file with apache2 software |
| 16:36.22 | wise | Hello, I'm having a heck of a time getting this laptop to connect to the internet... I havent been able to either wireless or plugged in LAN... |
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| 16:36.50 | PerfDave | wise: What, *this* laptop? This laptop's connected to the Internet just fine! |
| 16:36.51 | rgr | so how are you connected now :-) |
| 16:37.43 | wise | I'm on another computer, but I have the other one infront of me :) |
| 16:37.43 | PerfDave | wise: What laptop have you got, which version of Debian are you running, what have you tried doing and what errors have you seen? |
| 16:38.28 | wise | Laptop is a Dellm Inspiron 2200... 1.6ghz proc, 512 mb ram... nothing special I just plan to use it to write when I'm on the road |
| 16:39.27 | rgr | memory isnt really anything to do with it. what card is it) Did you run lspci? |
| 16:39.39 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:39.45 | wise | I havent gotten any errors prompted... I'll go into the network-admin program, and try to set things up. its plugged in to the router right now I I tried to configure the wired settings. DHCP, but it had no IP Address |
| 16:39.51 | rgr | can you ping your router? |
| 16:39.56 | rgr | does the router see it? |
| 16:40.05 | wise | I'll check now rgr |
| 16:40.27 | rgr | it could be simply that the router is configured to only accept certain HW and/or IP ranges, |
| 16:40.27 | PerfDave | rgr: I'm presuming wise can't ping their router if they don't have an IP address :) |
| 16:40.41 | rgr | ? Di didnt see that. |
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| 16:41.44 | rgr | wise: I really recommend tryinf to wicd too at some stage. http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:42.13 | rgr | Was this laptop ever online with debian before btw? |
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| 16:42.27 | PerfDave | rgr: Installing wicd sounds like a really bad idea here :) |
| 16:42.40 | rgr | "at some stage" :-) |
| 16:42.43 | wise | how can i install it if I have no internet connection? |
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| 16:42.56 | wise | i ran lspci and the wireless card is listed |
| 16:43.01 | rgr | or usb, or cd or |
| 16:43.14 | wise | Broadcom Corp. BCM4318 |
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| 16:43.39 | Titan8990 | eww broadcom |
| 16:44.46 | PerfDave | wise: What's the wired interface? Probably best to avoid Broadcom wifi right now ;) |
| 16:45.25 | rgr | According to google it works fine on Ubuntu. |
| 16:45.37 | wise | ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ |
| 16:45.48 | rgr | http://tinyurl.com/28y4p6 |
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| 16:45.54 | rgr | (for the airport thingy) |
| 16:45.59 | PerfDave | rgr: Who cares about Ubuntu? |
| 16:46.22 | rgr | The point I was making, as should be clear, is that linux does work with it. |
| 16:46.23 | rgr | Just a few too many hoops :-( |
| 16:46.33 | PerfDave | rgr: You're not making any sense. |
| 16:46.41 | jair | guys I am running lenny 5.0.3 64bit, with xfs, my hard drive is 250GB and I use a lot of vmware virtual machines, create/delete, move, etc... |
| 16:46.43 | PerfDave | wise: From a command prompt, try running "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and see if you have an interface named "eth0" or similar |
| 16:46.46 | rgr | sigh. |
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| 16:47.17 | xayon | jair: and... |
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| 16:48.09 | wise | Yes I have an eth0 |
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| 16:48.29 | jair | I ran this commands to check the fragmentation on the file system but does not make sense ===> http://paste.debian.net/48995 |
| 16:48.46 | jair | xayon: I am assuming you use or had use XFS :) |
| 16:48.47 | PerfDave | wise: OK, so your wired interface is being recognised by your system. You're connecting a cable from that wired interface to your router? |
| 16:49.16 | jair | xayon: I am using xfs because it's know for his good handle of big files. |
| 16:49.16 | wise | PerfDave: yes, the wire is in place, i double checked that |
| 16:49.29 | PerfDave | wise: Are you getting a connection light at both ends? |
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| 16:50.03 | wise | PerfDave yes, there is a light on the ethernet port, orange, and a green light on the router |
| 16:50.15 | jair | xayon: noticed I run the command xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sda1 to see how much is fragmented and I got 73.00% when I did the defragmentation command two days ago... |
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| 16:50.57 | PerfDave | wise: OK, that's promising. When you did the ifconfig command above, was there an "inet addr:" listed in the eth0 output? |
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| 16:51.38 | jair | even crazier, I did run the command to defragment a couple of minutes ago ===>jairnux:~# xfs_fsr -t 25200 /dev/sda1 -v it finished and I ran the comnmand again to see the fragmentation % and is still 73.00% @.@ |
| 16:51.55 | jair | xayon: any comments :) |
| 16:52.12 | wise | PerfDave: under "lo" there is an inet addr:127.0.0.1... no inet addr under eth0 however |
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| 16:53.35 | PerfDave | wise: OK. How are you trying to acquire an address via DHCP? |
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| 16:54.50 | wise | PerfDave: the gui of the program 'network-admin' |
| 16:55.06 | PerfDave | Ah, I'm not familiar with that. |
| 16:55.38 | wise | PerfDave: how else can I try too? |
| 16:55.42 | PerfDave | Ah, it appears to be a GNOME thing |
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| 16:56.35 | wise | PerfDave: I've used to in the past counless times and it usually works great... not in this case though |
| 16:56.36 | PerfDave | wise: I'd try looking in /var/log/daemon.log for the output from Network-Manager when you try to acquire a DHCP lease. |
| 16:56.58 | PerfDave | wise: I'd also consider whether the router you're connecting to has restrictions on which MAC addresses can connect to it. |
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| 16:59.28 | wise | when i try to sudo cat /var/log/daemon.log it prompts me for my user password not root password |
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| 16:59.53 | Flomar | hello guys, any known issue with courier-imap package 4.4.0-2 and clock skew |
| 16:59.56 | zinx | wise: that's what sudo is supposed to do. |
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| 17:00.07 | elliotbeken3 | hack elliotbeken.dyndns.org |
| 17:00.07 | MmikeMRMA | wise, that is like that by design... |
| 17:00.19 | wise | but how do I sudo into root? |
| 17:00.25 | elliotbeken3 | hack elliotbeken.dyndns.org |
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| 17:00.41 | archiebenedict | whats the difference between debian unstable and ubuntu? |
| 17:01.00 | cahoot | promotion? |
| 17:01.03 | abrotman | One is Debian, One is Ubuntu |
| 17:01.17 | MmikeMRMA | wise, use 'su' ? |
| 17:01.19 | abrotman | archiebenedict: be more precise |
| 17:01.30 | MmikeMRMA | or, you can use sudo -i, or sudo -s |
| 17:01.33 | MmikeMRMA | man sudo, man su |
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| 17:02.23 | dkr | !tell archiebenedict about sid faq |
| 17:02.32 | PerfDave | wise: sudo asks for your user password |
| 17:02.42 | brad_ | my apache is trying to save php files instead of run them |
| 17:02.42 | SparFux | Is there an elegant way to have the /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down}.d/* scripts run automatically when not using pppoe on the link, but LAN and a router in the lan to access the internet? |
| 17:02.48 | PerfDave | wise: Are you running Debian or Ubunut |
| 17:03.07 | wise | PerfDave Debian 5.0.3 |
| 17:03.27 | wise | I used 'su' and it works fine... never did in ubuntu when I tried it |
| 17:03.37 | dutchfish | SparFux, you mean failover ? |
| 17:03.41 | vlt | SparFux: Wich events do you want as trigger for those scripts? |
| 17:04.01 | PerfDave | wise: Ubuntu isn't set up that way. |
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| 17:05.16 | SparFux | vlt: simple ifup. I can use up <path/to/etc/ppp/script> but this seems to be odd. Perhaps using run-parts in up directive is cool, but I wonder wether there is a more elegant general "debian" way. |
| 17:05.17 | cusco_ | brad_: install libapache2-mod-php5 and restart apache |
| 17:05.35 | wise | PerfDave so I have six lines in the daemon.log file: the last line says debian acpid: client connected from 3615[o:o] |
| 17:05.54 | SparFux | dutchfish: I don't know failover. |
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| 17:06.44 | dutchfish | SparFux, failover is like having 2 connections with one preferred; if that fails the other atkes over |
| 17:06.56 | dutchfish | s/atkes/takes |
| 17:07.03 | themill | brad_: /msg dpkg php wants me to download still |
| 17:07.05 | PerfDave | wise: acpid isn't relevant. Perhaps your network-admin applet doesn't use Network-Manager |
| 17:07.23 | SparFux | dutchfish: I am using guessnet for that. the docs sound promising. guessnet claims to differ from other such packages by using debian's ifupdown mechanism. I think this is cool. |
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| 17:07.47 | dutchfish | SparFux, thats one way to go, yes |
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| 17:08.07 | wise | PerfDave: I'm thinking that... can I run Network-Manager as a standalone? |
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| 17:09.03 | PerfDave | wise: Network Manager is a daemon, with a couple of GUI interfaces |
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| 17:10.05 | SparFux | dutchfish: Well, perhaps the "best" way is really to use run-parts on /etc/ppp/ip-up.d to achieve exactly what I want :-) |
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| 17:13.37 | jair | anyone uses debian with xfs :( |
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| 17:13.54 | jair | but besides that have also experience on XFS file system :D |
| 17:14.02 | jair | maybe I should go to #xfs? |
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| 17:16.26 | qbwdp | allo allo |
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| 17:17.23 | qbwdp | i am on etch, should i upgrade etch first and then change over to lenny and do a dist-upgrade or go straight to lenny and do dist-upgrade? |
| 17:17.50 | PerfDave | qbwdp: You should read the release notes for Lenny about how to upgrade from Etch. |
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| 17:17.51 | themill | qbwdp: this is all very clearly described in the release notes. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 17:18.50 | Inazad | I have a bcm4312 wireless card. I tried to install the drivers b43 and then extract the firmware. But I cannot see my connection yet... I do modprobe b43 and I got nothing.... |
| 17:19.07 | Inazad | same after a reboot |
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| 17:19.22 | Inazad | dmesg said that the module is loaded but I get nothing in networkmanager... |
| 17:19.50 | PerfDave | Inazad: Hold up. Use one line. What do you mean by "I tried to install the drivers b43 and then extract the firmware"? |
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| 17:20.13 | Inazad | I installed it and extracted it... do a modprobe but nothing is working |
| 17:20.26 | qbwdp | thank you |
| 17:20.59 | flokuehn | hi. anybody aware that http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ is currently down? |
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| 17:21.31 | themill | !bcm4312 |
| 17:21.32 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except the low-power version (PCI-Id 14e4:4315) in kernels < 2.6.32. If you have this specific device, ask me about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. Initial LP-PHY support is available in b43 from <compat-wireless>, which requires b43-fwcutter from GIT and firmware 4.174.64.19; see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp for details. |
| 17:21.44 | [Work]Ninja | what software is around that a buddy of mine and I can setup relatively easily to stream a desktop shot, or are there some good whiteboard services around? willing to setup something if there is a tcp/ip service that my buddy can connect to, but I can't find any, does anyone know? |
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| 17:22.25 | Inazad | I've done this |
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| 17:22.44 | Inazad | I'll do it again |
| 17:23.15 | Inazad | i have a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 17:23.20 | Inazad | not 2.6.32 |
| 17:24.00 | justin | Inazad: you need to pastebin your dmesg and the commands you have been running |
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| 17:24.31 | Inazad | I have done this : http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy |
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| 17:26.28 | Inazad | so ? |
| 17:26.35 | Inazad | it is ok or not ? |
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| 17:27.06 | justin | Inazad: you need to pastebin your dmesg and the commands you have been running |
| 17:27.20 | SeveredCross | Anyone here in cahoots with the MIPS port? |
| 17:27.20 | Inazad | my commands is on the page |
| 17:27.39 | SeveredCross | I have a rather odd problem--namely, I'm trying to bootstrap Debian from a Gentoo MIPS LiveCD, because I can't netboot. |
| 17:27.53 | PerfDave | SeveredCross: Try #debian-mips |
| 17:27.56 | SeveredCross | The Gentoo MIPS LiveCD has a 64-bit kernel, but the Debian userland is all compiled with the 32-bit ABI. |
| 17:27.59 | SeveredCross | Oh, didn't know there was one. |
| 17:28.06 | Inazad | DMESG : http://pastebin.com/m47ecc28d |
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| 17:29.18 | justin | Inazad: lspci? |
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| 17:30.01 | Inazad | 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
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| 17:30.43 | justin | Inazad: sigh |
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| 17:30.55 | justin | Inazad: search that page you linked to for 4312 |
| 17:31.17 | Inazad | ok then ? |
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| 17:31.41 | justin | Inazad: then READ WHAT IT SAYS |
| 17:31.52 | abrotman | justin: you mean the part about 'wl' ? |
| 17:31.54 | Inazad | which section ? I'm not in the good section ? |
| 17:32.04 | abrotman | Inazad: that's why he said "search" |
| 17:32.41 | Inazad | ? |
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| 17:33.13 | CartoonCat | hellos |
| 17:33.37 | Inazad | I'm on the good page or not ? |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:34.14 | Inazad | so which section I'm supposed to read |
| 17:34.26 | CartoonCat | ive got the net install cd loaded up, and it has loaded the ath5k_pci module for my atheros mini pci express cards, the installer is having issues finding my accesspoints. i dropped to a shell but can not find any toolsfor manualy setting up the network, are there any? |
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| 17:35.41 | Titan8990 | CartoonCat, iwlist, iwconfig, ifconfig |
| 17:35.41 | Inazad | I've done all the instructions for the b43 sections |
| 17:35.42 | justin | Inazad: search that page you linked to for 4312 |
| 17:35.53 | Inazad | searching what |
| 17:36.11 | Inazad | i have done all the instructions, both for b43 and bcm43xx |
| 17:36.12 | justin | Inazad: what language do you normally speak? |
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| 17:36.31 | Inazad | justin, what's the matter ? french.. |
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| 17:37.03 | justin | !+fr |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:37.22 | CartoonCat | Titan8990, uh, no, they all come back xxxx: Not Found |
| 17:37.36 | justin | CartoonCat: netinstall cd might just use wpasupplicant |
| 17:37.38 | themill | Inazad: what's "lspci -nn" for this card? |
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| 17:38.28 | Inazad | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 17:38.31 | abrotman | Inazad: he's told you to *search* that page for "4312" to read the sections relevant to the "4312" chip .. this is clearly something you have not done |
| 17:38.36 | CartoonCat | justin: how would that let anything crontrol the card tho? or does wpasupplicant replace iwconfig/ifconfig some how? |
| 17:39.12 | justin | CartoonCat: it can, yes. wpasupplicant sets up wpa, but can also do other connection types |
| 17:39.18 | themill | Inazad: that specific device [14e4:4315] has a different driver. See http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 17:39.32 | Inazad | themill, where did you find that ? |
| 17:39.42 | justin | !+lart Inazad |
| 17:39.42 | dpkg | runs at Inazad with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 17:39.44 | CartoonCat | justin: oy, Any idea how I would use it from a CLI? |
| 17:39.51 | themill | Inazad: on the page that justin has been trying to get you to read |
| 17:39.54 | justin | CartoonCat: not sure, try wpa_cli |
| 17:40.08 | CartoonCat | not found |
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| 17:40.12 | justin | CartoonCat: i am no familiar with wireless on teh netinstall cd |
| 17:41.16 | Titan8990 | didn't even know the netinst supported wireless |
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| 17:41.46 | abrotman | Titan8990: does for in-kernel drivers.. like the one on my laptop (which is good because my wired NIC is tg3) |
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| 17:42.27 | CartoonCat | debian-503-i386-netinst has ath5k_pci, no idea if that is right for pci express cards (iirc it was just ath5k under gentoo) |
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| 17:45.02 | abrotman | Titan8990: though i also used to have an open AP |
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| 17:45.30 | Titan8990 | abrotman, eww |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | Titan8990: uhm .. depends how you look at it |
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| 17:46.33 | Titan8990 | abrotman, i look at as in anyone on your lan can poison your arp and strip the encryption off your ssl sessions |
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| 17:46.40 | Titan8990 | unless you have static arp tables |
| 17:46.44 | CartoonCat | and open doesnt mean insecure, lots of ways to protect a network |
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| 17:47.09 | SparFux | dutchfish: ok, the scripts in /etc/ppp are trimmed for ppp0. Well, bad. Perhaps the best way is to have an own directory, links some scripts and rewrite the rest. |
| 17:47.35 | abrotman | Titan8990: they'd have to be very sneaky to get on my LAN .. at that time the AP was about 10 feet from where I was usually using the wifi |
| 17:47.39 | Titan8990 | CartoonCat, example? mac address filtering doesn't count (because its trivial to bypass) |
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| 17:49.01 | CartoonCat | Titan8990, sure mac filtering is pointless, but a open ap firewalled off, often keeps people from poking at your secure ap |
| 17:49.28 | Titan8990 | abrotman, http://www.cantenna.com/ |
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| 17:52.25 | SparFux | dutchfish: but I have to configure post-up and pre-down, and that's really not elegant with ifupdown. |
| 17:52.54 | jure | if I want certain scripts to run after resuming from suspend or hibernate, do I place them in /etc/acpi/resume.d? |
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| 17:54.42 | dutchfish | SparFux, maybe have a peak at th epre-up post-up in /etc/network/ |
| 17:54.42 | baruch | jure, yes |
| 17:56.18 | SparFux | dutchfish: yes, that's not so elegant. I have to configure a lot for that, and it is already configured in ppp. |
| 17:56.30 | SparFux | dutchfish: there should be a more general way. |
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| 17:57.33 | jure | thanks, baruch! |
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| 17:59.17 | rebgil | Hi, can anyone suggest a way to test if I can see if a port is open outbound from my lan? I need to install a bes server and it says I need port 3101 outbound open? |
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| 18:00.26 | greycat | I don't even know what they mean by that -- that you can connect to TCP port 3101 on some other network, or that you can make outgoing TCP connections with a local source port of 3101? |
| 18:00.41 | greycat | the word "open" in the context of network access privileges is always a bad sign. |
| 18:00.49 | greycat | usually means someone's a damned nmap user |
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| 18:01.01 | rebgil | greycat: they mean that I need to connect to some blackberry server out on the internet on port 3101 |
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| 18:01.15 | greycat | well then, try that. |
| 18:01.20 | rpgdude | what telnet package should i use? |
| 18:01.29 | greycat | there's more than one? |
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| 18:01.34 | rpgdude | yeah a couple |
| 18:01.36 | gothenburg_ | hi |
| 18:01.51 | rebgil | greycat: I don't have the server to connect to, I just wanted to know if there is a method to see if anything would block the outbound connection |
| 18:01.54 | rpgdude | i guess the main difference is the license |
| 18:01.59 | gothenburg_ | My internet went down and now my debianbox don't want to go online |
| 18:02.05 | greycat | rebgil: on another box, set up a listener on port 3101. then try to connect to that. |
| 18:02.07 | gothenburg_ | how can I get it online? |
| 18:02.45 | rebgil | greycat: any suggestion for a listener? |
| 18:02.45 | greycat | an easy way would be to add "Port 3101" to your sshd_config file and restart sshd |
| 18:02.54 | rebgil | greycat:oh great idea, thanks |
| 18:02.56 | greycat | you could also use netcat, tcpserver, etc. |
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| 18:03.57 | gothenburg_ | I restarted my dhclient now it's working |
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| 18:04.41 | somiaj | netstat will also show what ports are open and their state, and will also tell you the pid of the process that is using the port |
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| 18:05.03 | panfist | i'm coming from a background in ubuntu and i would like to find some info about my network connection. the command in ubuntu, ifconfig, was not found on debian |
| 18:05.25 | greycat | panfist: it's in /sbin. which is in your PATH if you're root. |
| 18:05.26 | elenril | is pretty sure ifconfig is there |
| 18:05.27 | cahoot | panfist: ip or /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 18:05.36 | elenril | but ifconfig is deprecated, use ip |
| 18:05.44 | panfist | ip, thanks |
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| 18:07.00 | greycat | silly Linux, deprecating standard unix commands. |
| 18:07.00 | mns | I am building a debian package from source (tora 2.1.1). I run tora-2.1.1/debian/rules and the resulting deb that is created is for 2.1.0-1 ! Where does the version come from ? The only place where I can find 2.1.0-1 is in the changelog file. |
| 18:07.01 | greycat | waits for someone to say that cp has been deprecated. or ls. |
| 18:07.01 | nrn | hello |
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| 18:07.25 | greycat | mns: yes, the changelog. |
| 18:07.51 | djc__ | greycat, deprecation is deprecated |
| 18:08.04 | somiaj | when did ifconfig get replaced with ipconfig, on sid and I didn't see that change nor do I find an ipconfig file |
| 18:08.06 | mns | elenril, since when and why is the ifconfig command deprecated ? |
| 18:08.07 | elenril | afaik ifconfig doesn't work correctly if the interface has multiple adresses |
| 18:08.17 | djc__ | and overrated. or underratted, depending on your point of view |
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| 18:08.36 | djc__ | ifconfig is still valid.. just some people prefer 'ip' |
| 18:08.42 | cahoot | somiaj: ip not ipconfig |
| 18:08.42 | SeveredCross | Yeah, ip is also an entirely new syntax to learn. ;) |
| 18:08.51 | greycat | mns: you might also look into "dch" from the devscripts package |
| 18:09.01 | mns | greycat, thanks. |
| 18:09.09 | djc__ | ipconfig is in /sbin/ipconfig.. if /sbin isnt in your path, the shell wont find it when you type just 'ifconfig' |
| 18:09.09 | helo_ | how do i start X (one time only, from console) and run a particular program, instead of it loading .xsession, etc? |
| 18:09.10 | somiaj | panfist: man interfaces, you can set up a lot in /etc/network/interfaces if you want it to be perment |
| 18:09.18 | somiaj | cahoot: ahh, damn nt commands cloging my brain |
| 18:09.30 | greycat | helo_: startx -- /path/to/program |
| 18:09.39 | rpgdude | nt commands? whats that? |
| 18:09.40 | greycat | helo_: err, actually, take out the -- |
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| 18:10.06 | panfist | somiaj i will look into that; however, all i wanted to know was what the IP was |
| 18:10.16 | darkblue_B | rpgdude: windows NT I imagine |
| 18:10.23 | greycat | helo_: unfortunately, "startx programname" won't work due to Historical Reasons. You have to use a full path. |
| 18:10.28 | rpgdude | it was a joke |
| 18:10.47 | greycat | panfist: "/sbin/ifconfig -a" is a good starting point |
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| 18:11.19 | panfist | how come those tools are only in your path if you're root? they provide a lot of information even if you're just using them to get info, not set it |
| 18:11.51 | somiaj | cahoot: do you happen to know what package 'ip' is from? |
| 18:12.00 | elenril | iproute2 |
| 18:12.04 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.05 | greycat | panfist: usually, end users don't need that information |
| 18:12.13 | cahoot | disregard |
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| 18:12.26 | elenril | err iproute |
| 18:12.55 | sway_ | someone fixed the nickserv thing |
| 18:13.15 | panfist | yeah but it's a matter of convenience...usually i dont need it, but if i do, i have to know that i have to enter the full path because im not root |
| 18:13.50 | greycat | panfist: if you want, you can put /sbin if your own $PATH |
| 18:13.53 | greycat | in* |
| 18:13.54 | djc__ | x=`which programname' && startx $x |
| 18:13.56 | djc__ | :P |
| 18:14.05 | greycat | djc__: startx $(which programname) |
| 18:14.17 | djc__ | meh |
| 18:14.21 | greycat | or more pedantically, startx "$(which programname)" |
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| 18:15.16 | djc__ | $(meh) |
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| 18:16.23 | panfist | are there any resources detailing the default installation of postgresql? |
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| 18:17.17 | Polarina | A remote machine regularly connects to a production server and does a rdiff-backup on /. Great! Let's say the server's HDD would fail within the next three hours. I'd plug in a new one and then what would be the most elegant method of restoring the backup (including the MBR)? |
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| 18:18.10 | djc__ | consult the procedure written by the person that established that backup regime? |
| 18:18.20 | wols | somiaj: packages.debian.org (and apt-file) lets you search for files. e.g. search for bin/ip |
| 18:18.24 | Polarina | djc__: I am the sysadmin. |
| 18:18.34 | wols | Polarina: cool. then you should know |
| 18:18.44 | djc__ | if you are protecting against HD failure, you'd be better off with drive mirroring |
| 18:18.50 | Polarina | wols: I just would like to know. :) |
| 18:19.14 | wols | you are the admin. if you are, you do know or you know at least who to ask |
| 18:19.31 | djc__ | "who to ask" != "strangers in an irc channel" :P |
| 18:19.48 | Polarina | wols: I'd eventually figure it out, sure. But if I know already, the downtime would be shorter. :) |
| 18:20.14 | Polarina | s/know/know how to/ |
| 18:20.17 | djc__ | backing up system files (packaged apps/etc) and trying to restore is.... ugh... better to build a new system, then extract configuration and data from backups |
| 18:20.34 | somiaj | wols: I know, was just hoping he had the name of the package handy cause I was being lazy... |
| 18:20.37 | djc__ | get some spare hardware, take a recent backup, and try rebuilding |
| 18:20.58 | Polarina | djc__: I'll probably do that then. Thanks. |
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| 18:21.04 | djc__ | really, you want to work out how to get back from a backup, as part of figureoing out how you are going to backup |
| 18:21.08 | djc__ | if you are protecting against HD failure, you'd be better off with drive mirroring |
| 18:21.10 | wols | Polarina: since we didn't est up the backup, it'S pretty impossible for us to explain what to do |
| 18:21.22 | somiaj | cahoot: yea, net-tools just contains ifconfig, well thanks anyways good to know cause I'll probabaly hear more people talking about 'ip' in the future and now I may know what they are talking about |
| 18:21.45 | djc__ | backups make more sense for 'user error' (eg oops I deleted my (homework/report/research/pr0n/etc) |
| 18:22.41 | djc__ | on a *nix box, it makes more sense to backup /home and /etc |
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| 18:23.15 | djc__ | never backup mail, by the time you restored it it would be hopelessly out of data (unless you are google).. |
| 18:23.33 | djc__ | or at the very least, not inbox mail.. possibly user 'folders' |
| 18:23.33 | Polarina | Ok, ok, thanks. |
| 18:23.45 | djc__ | er *out of date |
| 18:24.44 | Polarina | All right, thanks. How about MySQL? |
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| 18:26.15 | alfatau | hello, i'm looking for an utility able to limit outgoing bandwidth per ip, because the outgoing bandwidth weighs upon the complexive incoming bandwidth of my line. i don't want to limit the outgoing bandwidth for all network hosts but only for the ones who uses to upload too much with p2p clients, while i would preserve the full upload speed for other hosts which sporadically use the outgoing bandw |
| 18:26.15 | alfatau | idth (i.e. emails...). can you help me? |
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| 18:27.26 | alfatau | thanks for your attention |
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| 18:28.44 | greycat | alfatau: try #netfilter maybe |
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| 18:35.20 | jair | guys what is going on with my lenny system when I run the command: ls -l from the "pwd" "/" or ~ root. I get this ====> http://paste.debian.net/49015 |
| 18:35.33 | jair | have anyone seen something like this? |
| 18:35.51 | cusco_ | hi jelly, are you there? |
| 18:36.18 | cusco_ | jelly: I managed to configure dnscache and tinydns (I hadn't much time left yesterday so I kept on today) |
| 18:36.28 | mari | try ls -la |
| 18:36.28 | cusco_ | but I still have a litlle issue jelly |
| 18:37.25 | cusco_ | jair: edit your aliases in ~/.bashrc |
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| 18:39.16 | jair | cusco_: my question is, is this normal? I haven't play with the ~/.bashrc how did this happened? |
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| 18:40.52 | jair | cusco_: I don't have idea of what I need to change there either? |
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| 18:41.18 | jair | I suppouse to get nothing on that command, since I do not have any file or directory in the "/root/" |
| 18:41.18 | cusco_ | jair: no it does not seem to be normal but I would still check the aliases in .bashrc |
| 18:41.25 | cusco_ | jair: hold |
| 18:41.35 | djc__ | jair, "/" is not the same as roots homedir |
| 18:41.39 | jair | cusco_: they are all commented out |
| 18:41.43 | djc__ | roots homedir is usually /root/ |
| 18:41.47 | cusco_ | jair: uncomment the one that reads "alias ls='ls --color=auto" |
| 18:41.48 | djc__ | it might be empty |
| 18:41.52 | panfist | is there any information available on the default installation of postgresql? |
| 18:41.53 | jair | ok |
| 18:41.53 | djc__ | try |
| 18:41.55 | djc__ | ls -l / |
| 18:41.58 | djc__ | or cd / |
| 18:41.59 | djc__ | ls -l |
| 18:42.04 | panfist | what's the users password, database password, etc... |
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| 18:42.23 | avu | panfist, you don't need either |
| 18:42.24 | jair | djc__: right but I am getting this "\" |
| 18:42.24 | djc__ | i would presume there are no databases |
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| 18:42.33 | avu | panfist, you just su - postgres as root |
| 18:42.39 | djc__ | jair, maybe theres a file with "\" as its name |
| 18:42.49 | avu | panfist, and can then use the maintanance db via ident authentication |
| 18:42.50 | panfist | what if i want to mess around with pgadmin? |
| 18:42.53 | djc__ | yeah.. thats what it looks like |
| 18:42.55 | djc__ | try ls -la |
| 18:43.26 | avu | panfist, then you'd either have to use pgadmin as postgres or as the user owning the database you created as postgres and you want to mess with |
| 18:43.39 | djc__ | possibly its name is "\ " |
| 18:43.49 | djc__ | (a backslash and a space. or perhaps multiple spaces) |
| 18:43.52 | jair | djc__: look please => http://paste.debian.net/49018 |
| 18:43.54 | avu | panfist, or you'd have to change your pg_hba.conf to accept something other than ident auth, which is what I do on most setups |
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| 18:44.15 | jair | cusco_: I uncomment that so what i should see differently? |
| 18:44.20 | panfist | i was using pgadmin as root, when i use pgadmin as postgre i get "unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?" |
| 18:44.24 | jair | cusco_: http://paste.debian.net/49018 |
| 18:44.36 | djc__ | yeah.. you are in roots homedir, and with the exception of the dotfiles, the only file is one that starts with a backslash, possibly followed by one or more spaced |
| 18:44.38 | djc__ | spaceS |
| 18:45.17 | greycat | GUI programs that are supposed to be run as administrative user accounts... oh, fun. |
| 18:45.30 | cusco_ | jair: basically that sets for your user a new alias of ls, in this casse you will se collors depending on the files |
| 18:45.39 | djc__ | cusco he doesnt need to mess with aliases. |
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| 18:45.41 | cusco_ | jair: type alias to list the set aliases |
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| 18:46.02 | djc__ | cusco_ look at his last paste |
| 18:46.05 | cusco_ | jair: djc__ is right, .dofiles won't come up by default |
| 18:46.10 | cusco_ | you need to use the flag -a |
| 18:46.15 | djc__ | he wasnt asking about why the dotfiles didnt show |
| 18:46.23 | djc__ | he was confused about the file thats name starts with a backslash |
| 18:46.38 | djc__ | cant tell from the paste if thats the full name, or if that is followed by spaces |
| 18:46.45 | djc__ | jair, run this: |
| 18:46.57 | jair | ok |
| 18:46.58 | djc__ | for x in *; do echo :${x}:; done |
| 18:47.01 | jair | ok |
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| 18:47.16 | cusco_ | no need for that |
| 18:47.21 | greycat | djc__: with quotes. |
| 18:47.24 | cusco_ | thats becuase you have a file named \ |
| 18:47.28 | panfist | ok, i would like to create a database with an owner that is not postgres, it says the role does not exist. according to best practices, i think, i'm supposed to use ident authentication meaning i'm using system users not, users added/maintined in sql... |
| 18:47.28 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:47.30 | cusco_ | touch \\ would create one |
| 18:47.35 | cusco_ | file \\ |
| 18:47.37 | cusco_ | or cat \\ |
| 18:47.38 | djc__ | oh yeah |
| 18:47.40 | cusco_ | or rm \\ |
| 18:47.46 | djc__ | for x in *; do echo ":${x}:"; done |
| 18:47.50 | djc__ | run it like that |
| 18:47.56 | djc__ | it might have spaces after the \ |
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| 18:48.22 | cusco_ | cat \\* |
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| 18:48.24 | jair | djc__: http://paste.debian.net/49019 |
| 18:48.45 | djc__ | jair, was that the first version or the second (with the quotes) ? |
| 18:48.59 | djc__ | er, I see.. without |
| 18:49.00 | djc__ | use |
| 18:49.02 | djc__ | for x in *; do echo ":${x}:"; done |
| 18:49.07 | djc__ | i forgot to include quotes |
| 18:49.17 | jair | ok |
| 18:49.19 | jair | hold on |
| 18:49.20 | djc__ | to be honest |
| 18:49.24 | jair | yes? |
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| 18:49.25 | djc__ | you could just use tab completion |
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| 18:49.29 | jair | ok |
| 18:49.30 | djc__ | type |
| 18:49.38 | djc__ | less \\ |
| 18:49.39 | djc__ | then hit tabe |
| 18:49.41 | djc__ | tab |
| 18:49.44 | djc__ | after the second \ |
| 18:49.52 | djc__ | then less will show what is in that file, if its text |
| 18:49.57 | djc__ | whatever it is its 209 bytes |
| 18:50.13 | jair | same result |
| 18:50.17 | jair | :\: |
| 18:50.29 | djc__ | ok.. then just use |
| 18:50.31 | mari | jair: run this: halt -p |
| 18:50.31 | djc__ | less \\ |
| 18:50.36 | djc__ | to see whats in it |
| 18:50.39 | djc__ | jair, NO |
| 18:50.58 | jair | djc__: don't worry I am ignoring mari :) |
| 18:51.15 | djc__ | sigh... but mari makes a good point.. you do want to be careful blindly typing what people tell you in irc channels |
| 18:51.24 | mari | sorry, it's a joke |
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| 18:51.46 | djc__ | if you dont have a basic understaning of the commands, it would be easy for someone to give you a command that would be destructive to your system/files |
| 18:51.53 | jair | djc__: http://paste.debian.net/49021 |
| 18:51.59 | djc__ | basically, you have a file, thats name is "\" |
| 18:52.27 | djc__ | ok, and apparently its contents are a listing of your /root/ directory |
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| 18:52.36 | djc__ | doesnt seem terribly important |
| 18:52.47 | djc__ | could have resulted from running ls >/ |
| 18:52.50 | djc__ | er |
| 18:52.51 | djc__ | could have resulted from running ls >\\ |
| 18:52.53 | djc__ | something |
| 18:53.07 | djc__ | assuming you dont need it, just use rm to delete it |
| 18:53.22 | djc__ | just note that to specify a \ in a filename, you have to use two \\ |
| 18:53.33 | djc__ | the first 'escapes' the second |
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| 18:54.02 | mari | echo "hola \"mundo\"" |
| 18:54.11 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:54.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:54.38 | djc__ | !exit |
| 18:54.38 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 18:54.47 | jair | djc__: ok I will try that |
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| 18:55.38 | mari | jair: are you new in Debian? |
| 18:55.46 | jair | djc__: done, I just ran the command rm \\ and got rid of it. That was probably me accidently running an ls> something |
| 18:55.46 | djc__ | !old people that can't follow conversations that scroll too fast |
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| 18:56.10 | jogla | Is there a packet sniffer that just dumps everything to files (notice plural), e.g. for an http packet with 3 mime parts, 3 files, named accordingly? |
| 18:56.15 | jair | djc__: thank you so much for helping me with this. :) |
| 18:56.20 | djc__ | no prob |
| 18:56.22 | djc__ | tcpdump? |
| 18:56.27 | djc__ | oi |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | djc__: no, it's annoying |
| 18:56.35 | jair | djc__: it was drving me crazy hahaha |
| 18:56.37 | djc__ | seperate file for each stream? |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | djc__: FWIW, people have been banned for abusing the enter key |
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| 18:56.56 | djc__ | thats nice |
| 18:56.59 | jair | abrotman: come on!!!! people this guys is helping here!!!!! |
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| 18:57.14 | jair | djc__: is helping and you guys are attacking him? |
| 18:57.19 | jair | what in the hell???? |
| 18:57.21 | abrotman | jair: that's because he doesn't know you won't read documentation :) |
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| 18:57.54 | abrotman | jair: and just because he's helpful doesn't mean he gets to act however he would like |
| 18:57.57 | mari | jair: are you new in Debian? |
| 18:58.01 | jair | abrotman: well I am happy to help people not just the ones that read or do not read. and I read a little. |
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| 18:58.08 | djc__ | What I know, from doing lots of tech support via irc.. is that sometimes, if you take the time to type something all on one line, the person you are talking to might leave the channel with what they have, not realizing that you are still talking to them |
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| 18:58.26 | mari | peace friends. |
| 18:58.32 | jair | yayyyyyyy |
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| 18:58.47 | abrotman | that's their fault .. ideally they should give thanks and/or say bye before quitting if they're still engaged in conversation |
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| 18:59.07 | djc__ | Whether jair might have been likely to do that or not I don't know.. but I dont like to leave people hanging wondering wether you are still there |
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| 19:00.13 | jair | djc__: I really appreciate your help and time and I am sure that because of people like you, people will continue learning and coming here to help others. |
| 19:00.26 | djc__ | thank you |
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| 19:00.42 | mari | love friends. |
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| 19:00.54 | abrotman | mari: do you have a Debian question? |
| 19:01.00 | jair | you are welcome. thank you again for your time and help I really appreciated. I need to go work with XFS now :( |
| 19:01.08 | jair | hahahahah |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | (it may have been lost in the backscroll because someone can't control their enter key) |
| 19:01.45 | jair | abrotman: I have been reading about XFS file system, would you be able to help me if I read already about it? |
| 19:01.46 | djc__ | There will of course always be cranky people who will complain about other people becuase they don't use irc the same way they do.. but you just have to grow a thick skin and ignore them |
| 19:01.52 | abrotman | jair: don't use it |
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| 19:02.14 | abrotman | jair: sorry .. "I don't use it" |
| 19:02.32 | jogla | djc__: I think tcpdump is too rudimentary, it does only work on a packet level, does it? |
| 19:02.40 | djc__ | Is there some particular reason you are interested in xfs? |
| 19:03.12 | djc__ | Generally unless you have some specific need that something else addresses, you want to stick with ext3 for linux system |
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| 19:04.35 | djc__ | Except for optical discs, where you generally want iso9660 (or maybe hfs if you are deadling with old macs), or removable media you need to use with MS based systems, where FAT is generally the right choice |
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| 19:05.51 | djc__ | jogla, I know wireshark can extract 'streams' from captured data.. but its GUI/interactive |
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| 19:05.58 | djc__ | I don't personally know of any packet sniffer that would automatically capture each seperate tcp 'stream' info its own file.. |
| 19:06.18 | jogla | Hmm |
| 19:06.21 | jair | djc__: I actually selected XFS because I heard that can handle big files better and I use a lot of vmware virtual disks and also isos, delete, copy, move, them. |
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| 19:06.56 | djc__ | jair, Ah.. I'd suggest using ext2 for the main system partitions, then have a seperate XFS partition just for storing your vmdisks and other large files |
| 19:06.57 | jogla | djc__: dsniff looks promising |
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| 19:07.00 | jogla | !package dsniff |
| 19:07.01 | jair | so I read about it, and noticed that the way it works, create extents, and it also get fragmented. |
| 19:07.16 | jair | djc__: right :( |
| 19:07.46 | djc__ | to be honest, unless you are deadling with *lots* of *huge* files, ext3 would probably be fine |
| 19:07.58 | djc__ | dealing* |
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| 19:09.10 | jair | djc__: now I am suffering because the system runs kind of weird, performance is not the best and I noticed it get fragmented and the tools xfs_fsr and xfs_db are not as reliable... |
| 19:09.31 | jair | djc__: yes yes |
| 19:09.56 | jair | djc__: so I am planning on backing up all my data and reinstalling debian with ext3 or should I try ext4? |
| 19:10.09 | djc__ | ext4? |
| 19:10.20 | djc__ | apparently i havent been keeping up.. |
| 19:10.22 | Titan8990 | jair, lenny's default kernel does not support ext4 |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | there is ext4_dev |
| 19:10.33 | Titan8990 | djc__, "stable" as of 2.6.28 |
| 19:10.36 | djc__ | thats probably a good sign to stick with ext3 tho ;) |
| 19:11.57 | jair | djc__: that is true |
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| 19:12.10 | jair | well I know what I will do next then :) |
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| 19:12.29 | jair | djc__: and everybody thank you so much for your information and suggestions |
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| 19:12.51 | wols | is ext4 still backwards compatible to ext2? |
| 19:13.08 | jair | that's is why I love irc and exchanging information with people that want to exchange information too. :) we all learn. love it. |
| 19:13.25 | jogla | djc__: In case you're interested, urlsnarf from the dsniff package dumps all urls i visits, so i can download the files myself |
| 19:14.18 | xyan | wols: never has been imo, once you upgrade theres no return |
| 19:14.40 | djc__ | jogla, i guess if thats what you were trying to do, then there you go.. I thought you were trying to save all tcp streams |
| 19:15.27 | jogla | Well, yeah, but not on the 'tcp stream level', on the file level |
| 19:15.41 | jogla | So when i go to google.com, i want there to be an html file |
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| 19:16.08 | niklaswe | does someone has any ide on this problem www.allow.se/fglrx.txt |
| 19:16.16 | djc__ | wget http://www.google.com/ ? |
| 19:16.28 | djc__ | almost sounds like you want a caching http proxy |
| 19:16.37 | djc__ | instead of saving all streams (not all streams are http) |
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| 19:21.49 | Moral_ | my keboard on my laptop just stopped working, any options, besides restart? |
| 19:22.15 | abrotman | unplug/replug? reload kb driver? |
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| 19:25.46 | Moral_ | abrotman, How do I do that without typing anything |
| 19:25.56 | abrotman | ssh ? |
| 19:26.01 | Moral_ | hmm |
| 19:26.09 | Moral_ | lemme see if i got openssh installed |
| 19:26.18 | Moral_ | atually |
| 19:26.21 | Moral_ | ill find a virtual keyboard |
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| 19:30.40 | Xenguy | Hello, I have a question about 32-bit vs. 64-bit... |
| 19:30.48 | psychik | fist marion |
| 19:31.08 | maligor | Xenguy, ask the question, not a proto-question about a question |
| 19:31.08 | Xenguy | I have to make a quick purchase to replace a gateway desktop system... |
| 19:31.58 | Xenguy | The processor is 'Intel Dual Core E5200 2.5GHz 800 MHz LGA775 L2 2MB OEM' which I *think* is 64-bit... |
| 19:32.24 | maligor | http://processorfinder.intel.com/ |
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| 19:32.58 | Xenguy | I want to be able to stick an existing harddrive in the new box, but the harddrive runs debian for 32-bit AFAIK... |
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| 19:33.29 | Xenguy | So I need to know if 32-bit debian will run on this processor or not, etc. |
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| 19:33.34 | maligor | yes |
| 19:33.54 | maligor | all of the 64bit x86 cpu's can run in either mode |
| 19:34.09 | dijikul | I've installed Debian Xen off of the network installer and everythings installed and stuff but once I reboot without the installation media it doesn't boot saying that there's no bootable device... Anyone have any ideas? I've been playing with my menu.lst in the grub config with no success... |
| 19:34.18 | Xenguy | maligor: do I have to explicitly set the 'mode' somehow? |
| 19:34.45 | maligor | no, it's 32bit by default, you have to set 64bit explicitly (which is done by the os, if it's 64bit) |
| 19:35.00 | marion | two psychik |
| 19:35.22 | maligor | or actually I suppose it's 16bit by default :P |
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| 19:35.41 | Xenguy | maligor: ahhh, OK, understood -- thank you very much for the feedback (I need to make a quick decision on buying this hardware, and my hardware knowledge is lacking) |
| 19:35.46 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Is grub installed/ |
| 19:35.55 | dijikul | SeveredCross, it says it is, but it's not starting up... |
| 19:36.03 | dijikul | all the files are there on the partition |
| 19:36.12 | dijikul | I selected to install it during the installation. |
| 19:36.17 | Xenguy | maligor: so I should be able to insert the older harddrive, boot, and go |
| 19:36.18 | maligor | but it's entirely transparent to the user, you can use the 32bit installation just fine |
| 19:36.21 | SeveredCross | Was it installed to the MBR? |
| 19:36.37 | dijikul | SeveredCross, says it was... how can I check? (just booting into the livecd now) |
| 19:36.55 | maligor | Xenguy, it should boot, you might have some issues with persistent naming in some cases |
| 19:37.08 | dijikul | SeveredCross, I have 4 partitions -- sda1 = /boot sda2 = swap sda3 = / sda4 = /home |
| 19:37.18 | maligor | if a service is tied to a ethernet interface name for example |
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| 19:37.40 | dijikul | SeveredCross, I followed the isntructions within the debian installation and it left it in a non working state.. so ... if I have to reinstall grub to the mbr, how would I go about doing that? |
| 19:37.54 | Xenguy | maligor: hrm, I should have known this was too easy :-/ |
| 19:38.07 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Generally, you would chroot into your installed environment, mount /boot and run grub-install /dev/sda |
| 19:38.21 | maligor | Xenguy, well, I doubt you'll have any issues doing it really, it's just mostly with custom configurations |
| 19:38.30 | SeveredCross | You can do the chroot from a debian install CD, just drop to a rescue prompt. |
| 19:38.36 | dijikul | SeveredCross, ok let me try that. why chroot? can I not sudo? |
| 19:38.50 | dijikul | can't I boot into the livecd and then sudo? |
| 19:38.51 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Because you need to be in your installed environment--sudo won't help you. |
| 19:38.57 | SeveredCross | dijikul: sudo to what? |
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| 19:39.11 | dijikul | sudo /mnt/sda1/grub/grub-install |
| 19:39.13 | dijikul | no? |
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| 19:39.31 | SeveredCross | Bad idea. |
| 19:39.42 | dijikul | I dont understand what you mean by chrooting into my installed environment |
| 19:39.45 | dijikul | there's no environment |
| 19:39.54 | Xenguy | maligor: I'm not very knowledgeable about what you are speaking of ("persistant naming"), but I am not really doing anything fancy or unordinary, other than using 2 NICs to make a gateway -- would those issues you mention be related to that at all? |
| 19:39.54 | Skered | How long should a validation of libc6 take? I think this has been validating for the past 45 minutes. |
| 19:40.09 | Skered | I'm trying to install Debian inside Virtualbox. |
| 19:40.12 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Did you or did you not finish an installation? |
| 19:40.20 | SeveredCross | Skered: It should take about 5 seconds... |
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| 19:40.26 | Skered | I don't see any disk activity |
| 19:40.27 | SeveredCross | It doesn't take much more than 10 on my old SGI . |
| 19:40.34 | Skered | umm |
| 19:40.36 | bitweiler | howdy |
| 19:40.48 | dijikul | SeveredCross, it finished, and then it rebooted but won't get to grub.. so all the data is there butI can't get into the system |
| 19:41.00 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Right, so you have an installed environment. |
| 19:41.01 | SeveredCross | In /. |
| 19:41.14 | bitweiler | quick question, does which version of debian has a 2.4 glibc? |
| 19:41.21 | dijikul | ahh ok |
| 19:41.42 | SeveredCross | So, mount /dev/sdawhateer /mnt/root, chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash, grub-install /dev/sda |
| 19:41.42 | SeveredCross | Modulo a few steps. |
| 19:41.42 | dijikul | I thought you meant the environment I'm TRYing to install |
| 19:41.44 | maligor | Xenguy, using the same NICs? |
| 19:41.44 | SeveredCross | No. |
| 19:42.09 | Skered | Looks like there way some errors in the console.. I'll try this again |
| 19:42.29 | maligor | Xenguy, it's just that modern stuff tie ethernet device names to hw mac addresses these days to stop interface swapping |
| 19:42.31 | Xenguy | maligor: 1 NIC is usually onboard, then I add a PCI NIC in a slot -- is that what you mean? |
| 19:42.57 | Xenguy | maligor: so yes, same NICs I think |
| 19:43.30 | maligor | the onboard device name might change then |
| 19:44.52 | Xenguy | maligor: since you seem to be hardware savvy, this box I might buy has one SATA HD, and has capacity for 1 IDE HD. I've never used SATA before: are there any gotchas with IDE/SATA, or will they co-exist in the same box nicely? |
| 19:45.19 | dijikul | SeveredCross, sorry ou lost me on chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash -- |
| 19:45.32 | dijikul | oh |
| 19:45.33 | dijikul | nevermind |
| 19:45.58 | maligor | Xenguy, well, most sata controllers show up as "scsi" controllers |
| 19:46.07 | dijikul | SeveredCross, /dev/sda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 19:46.26 | maligor | Xenguy, but you can use both in one machine fine |
| 19:46.41 | Xenguy | maligor: thanks a lot for your help! |
| 19:46.50 | dijikul | SeveredCross, does it matter that my boot partition is sda1 (separate from / ) |
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| 19:47.01 | SeveredCross | dijikul: You might need to mount boot properly. |
| 19:47.23 | SeveredCross | Also, you're going to need to bind /dev from outside the chroot into the chroot |
| 19:47.32 | dijikul | >.< |
| 19:47.35 | dijikul | how does one do that? :) |
| 19:48.00 | SeveredCross | So, leave the chroot (exit from bash), then do mount -t proc none /mnt/root/proc; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/root/dev; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/root/boot |
| 19:48.07 | SeveredCross | That'll mount proc, dev and /boot. |
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| 19:48.37 | dijikul | sorry, what's proc? |
| 19:49.23 | SeveredCross | It's a virtual filesystem that contains all sorts of information about your systme. |
| 19:49.32 | dijikul | ok |
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| 19:50.17 | dijikul | hmm |
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| 19:50.36 | dijikul | installation finished -- no error reported |
| 19:50.40 | epifanio | hi all, i have a question related to the repository debian sid |
| 19:50.46 | dijikul | so reboot and see what happens SeveredCross ? |
| 19:50.50 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Yep. |
| 19:51.06 | epifanio | i have debian sid 32bit and 64bit installed on 2 computers |
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| 19:51.22 | ktebit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.55 | epifanio | the 32bit version has for the package libgrass-gdal : version 1.6.2-3 while the 64bit version has : 1.6.2-2 |
| 19:52.04 | ktebit | ideas? |
| 19:52.18 | ktebit | Alternatively, is there a way to switch the root filesystem to another device while running? That's something I don't know how to do (if possible) and may fix the problem. |
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| 19:52.19 | epifanio | sorry the package name is: libgdal-grass |
| 19:52.55 | ktebit | anyone? |
| 19:52.58 | epifanio | is possible 32 and 64 bit repository are not sincronized ? |
| 19:53.25 | dijikul | SeveredCross, no luck. Still no bootable device. |
| 19:53.32 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 19:53.34 | SeveredCross | dijikul: That's odd. I have no idea. |
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| 19:54.30 | dijikul | hmm |
| 19:54.42 | SeveredCross | dijikul: Got any partitions marked bootable? |
| 19:54.46 | dijikul | yep |
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| 19:54.48 | dijikul | the boot partition |
| 19:54.50 | SeveredCross | Hmm. |
| 19:54.52 | SeveredCross | Not that then. |
| 19:54.54 | SeveredCross | I have no idea. |
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| 19:55.05 | SeveredCross | That should've installed grub into the MBR and made it load grub from /boot. |
| 19:55.59 | durka42 | so, my server's a little fucked up. let's suppose i can access /home but not /bin, /sbin or /etc, and i can't get root privileges (because I can't do su or sudo). i can access /home from another machine because it is NFS-mounted. is there any way to reboot remotely? |
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| 19:57.28 | dijikul | hmm |
| 19:57.28 | dijikul | sec |
| 19:57.30 | dijikul | support call |
| 19:57.33 | dijikul | (stupid job responsibilities) |
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| 19:58.03 | greycat | without root? not a chance. |
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| 19:58.38 | greycat | why can't you access /bin? |
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| 19:58.59 | ktebit | ideas? |
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| 19:59.09 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 19:59.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 three-legged weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 20:00.39 | durka42 | greycat: the raid controller crashed :) we are replacing this server asap |
| 20:01.26 | mee | ktebit: Although what you're suggesting might be possible, I don't know how to practically do it, and I think it'd be much easier to backup and then reflash or rebuild |
| 20:01.31 | greycat | so you can't read ANY files on ANY local disk at all? sounds like you need to be there. |
| 20:02.08 | RichiH | durka42: did you compile reboot, init or shutdown in your homedir and setuid it to root? |
| 20:02.14 | RichiH | if not, you may be out of luck ;0 |
| 20:02.16 | RichiH | ;) |
| 20:02.36 | durka42 | yeah it sounds like that :) |
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| 20:03.07 | sako | Hey all, I am confused on whether to run ubuntu or debian for my production web server |
| 20:03.15 | greycat | I'd hope his NFS-mounted file system isn't allowing setuid execution |
| 20:03.25 | Titan8990 | !tell sako about ubuntu |
| 20:03.30 | Titan8990 | !tell sako about debian policy |
| 20:03.40 | Titan8990 | sako, have a look through those |
| 20:03.53 | greycat | clearly #debian is going to tell you to use Debian |
| 20:04.22 | Titan8990 | yes, so hopefully he gets propaganda from both sides before choosing debian :) |
| 20:04.23 | markybob | i hear IIS kicks ass |
| 20:04.30 | sako | tbh, greycat I wouldn't ask in #ubuntu as I will get a dumb answer |
| 20:04.41 | sako | and hence I just found the solution to my problem |
| 20:04.46 | Titan8990 | +1 community support for debian |
| 20:04.48 | sako | I will use debian for the amazing support ;) |
| 20:05.01 | sako | thanks Titan8990 |
| 20:05.12 | greycat | I could never imagine choosing ubuntu for a server |
| 20:05.17 | sako | for the !tells.. helped me |
| 20:05.37 | Titan8990 | greycat, I couldn't either but there are many who do... even my favorite mirror, mirror.anl.gov runs ubuntu |
| 20:05.58 | sako | yea, ubuntu is putting out releases faster than it can make the previous release stable |
| 20:06.07 | sako | it's crazy |
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| 20:06.23 | sako | I don't get the whole 6 mo release cycle |
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| 20:06.40 | sako | I guess it works for desktops |
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| 20:07.04 | greycat | desktop and laptop users expect all kinds of wacky devices to work, like proprietary undocumented wireless network chipsets |
| 20:07.11 | Titan8990 | I would much rather have a rolling release on my desktop |
| 20:07.35 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 20:07.36 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
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| 20:07.55 | Titan8990 | nooo... dpkg, your supposed to say bad things about gentoo |
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| 20:08.23 | Titan8990 | I thought he responding to things like that |
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| 20:08.51 | Titan8990 | that would cause problems with the package manager being dpkg though |
| 20:09.18 | simonrvn | prefix your reply with the bot's nick... |
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| 20:10.24 | Titan8990 | dpkg, tell me again about how great gentoo is |
| 20:10.48 | Titan8990 | well, anyways.... |
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| 20:12.01 | markybob | i really wish my ati hd4850 could handle 1080p in linux :( |
| 20:12.09 | markybob | </whine> |
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| 20:12.34 | Titan8990 | markybob, it can't using fglrx? |
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| 20:12.49 | markybob | Titan8990, no. i just installed fglrx in hopes that it would |
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| 20:13.22 | Titan8990 | markybob, did you remember to update-alternatives --config opengl? |
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| 20:14.02 | markybob | Titan8990, umm...i dont know anything about that. update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for opengl |
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| 20:14.54 | deadmike | he |
| 20:15.13 | Titan8990 | markybob, grep fglrx /var/log/Xorg.0.log to make sure its in use? |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | would opengl affect resolution ? |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | he probably wants radeonhd or fglrx .. probably make a pit stop at #radeonhd or #ati |
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| 20:15.50 | rgr | can someone recommend something other than fdupes to remove duplicate files? It isn't picking up identical files which only vary because of file name differences (a minged music collection). |
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| 20:15.54 | Titan8990 | abrotman, I wouldn't think so but I have seen DEs fail to start because of incorrect opengl settings |
| 20:16.00 | markybob | Titan8990, yep. it's using it. glxgears got a big boost with the move...just not enough for 1080p |
| 20:16.01 | Titan8990 | abrotman, they probably had compositing enabled |
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| 20:16.26 | Titan8990 | so i never underestimate what kind of issues that can cause |
| 20:16.33 | cmatei | anyone can hint on a good place to put "stty -echoctl" so that ^C and ^Z are not displayed in the terminal with recent kernels ? |
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| 20:17.47 | greycat | cmatei: in your .bashrc, inside an "if [ -t 1 ]; then ..." block |
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| 20:18.49 | cmatei | greycat: ha! thanks |
| 20:19.58 | dijikul | hrm. so no success still with booting thismachine.. I wonder if I should just install lilo |
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| 20:21.33 | eqisow | Does anybody know of an unofficial repo that keeps up-to-date lighttpd 1.5pre for lenny? It apparently fixes a pretty huge bug that the developers won't fix in 1.4 |
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| 20:22.03 | BoomerET | I'm trying to install a package w/ dpkg, and it installs fine, but pops up a text window that says I'll need to reindex files. For a automated install, do I use --force-things to skip this message? (and what item do I put for force-things, I'm installing swish-e) |
| 20:22.27 | BoomerET | --force-all? |
| 20:22.28 | themill | eqisow: if you want pre-releases of packages, you're going to have to do the packaging yourself. /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 20:23.46 | themill | BoomerET: never force things (and it wouldn't help anyway). DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude install swish-e |
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| 20:26.32 | eqisow | meh, it's prerelease but it's been in development for >2 years. And debian has enlightenment deve branch packages |
| 20:26.55 | eqisow | anyway, I saw the bug report that said ' no prerelease software' which is why i asked if anybody ran an unofficial repo :p |
| 20:28.10 | simonrvn | alphagemini.org ; but they haven't updated in a while |
| 20:29.31 | BoomerET | Thanks themill |
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| 20:30.17 | simonrvn | eqisow: i have a lighttpd 1.5 build in my "repo", for stable |
| 20:30.50 | simonrvn | eqisow: you'd probably have to build it locally, because it's a ppc build |
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| 20:31.10 | BoomerET | themill, that works if there's a connection, but I'll be supplying the .deb file. |
| 20:31.35 | eqisow | yeah, x86_64 here |
| 20:31.50 | simonrvn | eqisow: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/ |
| 20:31.50 | eqisow | I ahven't built a debian package in forever - I run Fedora at home |
| 20:32.03 | panfist | if i type "su postgres" do i have to enter the root password or postgres' password? |
| 20:32.08 | themill | BoomerET: I take it you don't like the swish-e package in debian already? |
| 20:32.52 | BoomerET | themill, the tablets I'm trying to update have edgy installed, and I don't have the time to update sources.list right now. |
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| 20:33.07 | freedev | hey |
| 20:33.27 | jelly-home | panfist: postgres' |
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| 20:33.45 | freedev | I'm a debian user, and i have a question about iptables... i can't acheive to do what i want. |
| 20:33.47 | simonrvn | eqisow: you need the .dsc .diff and orig.tar.gz |
| 20:33.48 | freedev | I would like to forward the trafic [on tun0 from 192.168.10.0/24 to 192.168.100.0/24] to [on eth0 from |
| 20:33.51 | freedev | 192.168.0.123 to 192.168.0.0/24], can someone help me, please ? |
| 20:33.53 | themill | BoomerET: etch, I presume you mean? You've recompiled swish-e yourself for etch, then? |
| 20:34.00 | simonrvn | freedev: #netfilter |
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| 20:34.18 | panfist | thanks |
| 20:34.27 | BoomerET | Yes, etch, sorry. And now, I'm using dapper's .deb for swish-e, and it works fine... |
| 20:34.28 | freedev | ok :/ |
| 20:34.43 | BoomerET | I think usign --force-confold will do the trick, but I don't like using force. |
| 20:34.54 | themill | BoomerET: yuck... You're so heading towards making a very big mess. |
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| 20:35.21 | BoomerET | themill, we're not heading there, we've got there and bypassed it long ago. |
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| 20:35.54 | BoomerET | Until I get funding to do a complete overhaul, I need to use band-aids, duct-tape and rivets. |
| 20:36.00 | xyan | annoying flash crap, a lot of pages eg. youtube / speedtest.net are unusable for me i cant click any of the controls, however "hover" effects work so its not a focus problem or something like that. it does not matter which browser/version of iceweasel/firefox flashplayer/flashplugin-nonfree im using, all the seem. even tried to purge any addons, rm the configs reinstall crap. hence fail! anyone any idea/having the same issues? |
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| 20:36.24 | xyan | s/seem/same |
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| 20:37.28 | panfist | i just did, as root, usermod --password PASSWORD postgres; su postgres; and if i try to login with PASSWORD i get an authentication failure |
| 20:37.30 | BoomerET | A 1 call, in 6 land? |
| 20:38.13 | BoomerET | Certainly doesn't look vanity :) |
| 20:38.36 | dijikul | hey SeveredCross re: unable to boot.. any insight if there's a hardware raid controller in place? |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | panfist: are you trying to su to postgres as root ? |
| 20:38.50 | SeveredCross | dijikul: None. |
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| 20:38.58 | panfist | no, trying to su from my main user account |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | panfist: any reason you don't just create your user as a pgsql user ? |
| 20:40.11 | jelly-home | panfist: uh, a) why not just "passwd postgres" to set the password, and b) does that user have a valid shell?\ |
| 20:40.15 | panfist | abrotman i'm working on that, i took some steps to do it but i guess i haven't finished it because i keep getting "role "myuser" is not permitted to log in" |
| 20:40.35 | BoomerET | Research pg_hba.conf |
| 20:41.01 | BoomerET | or put in a .pgpass file in your home dir. |
| 20:41.03 | panfist | jelly-home, a.) i'm just followiing what i read here: http://tldp.org/LDP/www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html b.) if i su, then su postgres i get a shell. |
| 20:41.09 | hark | panfist: read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/postgresql... |
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| 20:41.15 | panfist | thanks boomeret |
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| 20:41.31 | panfist | thanks hark |
| 20:41.36 | panfist | thanks everyone :) |
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| 20:42.58 | panfist | the debian readme is gzipped....can i read it without unzipping it to a file |
| 20:43.10 | lost_eden | anybody shed some light on why my pdnsd install has suddenly decided to SERVFAIL for www.google.com but works for everything else? |
| 20:43.15 | lost_eden | using opendns servers |
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| 20:43.35 | mhymn | panfist: zless |
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| 20:44.46 | BoomerET | zcat? |
| 20:44.54 | panfist | has anyone but me been poked with DCC request from port 0 from random people at irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads since a couple of days ago? |
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| 20:46.26 | mhymn | you can also discuss philosophy here |
| 20:47.59 | abrotman | panfist: please don't repeat that in here |
| 20:48.21 | panfist | yes sir |
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| 20:49.28 | dec3pti0n | I'm creating a deb pkg with pdebuilder and I'm wondering if the .orig.tar.gz file needs to contain the debian folder in it or not ? I can't find the page i had that mentioned that |
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| 20:50.33 | themill | dec3pti0n: it should *not* contain the debian folder. It's supposed to be the original tarball that you would download from some website. |
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| 20:52.09 | dec3pti0n | themill, does it need to be renamed to what the Package name is on the control file ? |
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| 20:54.30 | themill | yes. You might like to look at the new maintainer guide; /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 20:56.02 | PinkFreud | hey folks. I'm trying to convince a lenny system to update it's hostname with the local dns servers on an AD network. Any ideas how to get this to work? |
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| 20:56.17 | dec3pti0n | themill, thanks ... I was already there :) |
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| 20:56.40 | PinkFreud | I've tried setting the fqdn optons in dhclient.conf to no avail. I've also tried replacing dhclient with dhcpcd - still no go. |
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| 20:57.28 | negge | I just upgraded my EeePC to Squeeze instead of Lenny, and now wireless networking doesn't work anymore. The ath0 interface doesn't show up in ifconfig so I figure it's missing some drivers. Anyone who has had the same issue and know the smartest way to fix it? |
| 20:57.43 | Xenguy | is off to see if this new box will work as a gateway... |
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| 21:01.18 | monkey_d_luffy | I use file-roller in KDE, but when I double click to open a file, it uses gnome file settings associations instead of KDE... any way to fix this?? |
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| 21:01.58 | vi390 | hi, how can I reread the udevrules? (/etc/init.d/udev restart does not work) |
| 21:02.16 | karme | vi390: man udevadm |
| 21:02.22 | vi390 | thx |
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| 21:03.06 | karme | vi390: or /etc/init.d/udev reload |
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| 21:03.18 | vi390 | karme: hmm oh, thats easy .. thx |
| 21:03.27 | djj | negge: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Upgrade#A2.6.30UpgradeIssues.2BAC8-tips |
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| 21:05.37 | gnarface | anyone mess around with SATA hotplug? (devices, specifically not controllers) |
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| 21:05.58 | gnarface | i'm just wondering how safe it i |
| 21:05.59 | gnarface | s |
| 21:06.31 | wols | if your whole sata stack supports it it, no worries. you have to unmount first before plugging out of course |
| 21:07.33 | gnarface | so by "whole stack" you mean, don't try it unless my motherboard does PCI hotplug too? |
| 21:07.57 | PinkFreud | hrmph. no one here knows how to convince lenny to registter it's hostname on an AD network? |
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| 21:08.24 | wols | are you trying to unplug the sata controller from the pci bus? |
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| 21:09.46 | gnarface | wols: no actually just want to plug a drive in without having to shut the thing down. the controller itself is onboard |
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| 21:10.40 | gnarface | when i'm done with the drive i'll probably want to take it back out too |
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| 21:15.03 | PinkFreud | sighs |
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| 21:15.54 | dec3pti0n | ok here is what I don't get it about the .orig file and what I don't find so clear on that guide. |
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| 21:16.46 | Thrae | Hey. My Debian Lenny router's mdadm software raid setup is only partially working now. (Worked for years, and **I** messed it up) Whenever I create the array on one harddrive using "missing", it doesn't start when I switch to the other harddrive. Oddly enough, the same RAID1 setup for swap space is working fine. I've been troubleshooting for days. When I reboot and add in root=/dev/md0 (the new array), it'll eventually drop me ... |
| 21:16.52 | Thrae | ... to initramfs, and a viewing of dmesg shows mdadm thinks /dev/md0 has no devices. Yet mdadm --examine /dev/hda1 reports the superblock correctly, and says it's clean. But the kernel only auto-detects one raid device, and /proc/mdstat only shows one as well. |
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| 21:17.11 | dec3pti0n | it tells me to rename the original directory so I did it ... pgm-II-2.2.2 to pgm2-2.2.4 and I also renamed the pgm-II-2.2.2.tar.gz to pgm2_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz |
| 21:18.03 | dec3pti0n | but then the atcuall path in the orig.tar.gz will still contain the pgm-II-2.2.4 , isn't that wrong ? |
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| 21:21.13 | elops | I got a shiny new Samsung SSD, and I'm setting up Debian on it. I'm considering using XFS in combination with the deadline scheduler. Thoughts? The important criteria for me are (in order) performance, reliability, power usage (i.e. CPU usage). |
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| 21:23.00 | aymak | I have physical 2.6.8 kernel. Can I move this to xen as paravirtual guest? |
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| 21:23.20 | abrotman | elops: you really wouldn't know until you benchmark ext3 vs xfs for example |
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| 21:23.59 | elops | Yeah, I know that's the only real way to get precise answers. |
| 21:24.12 | elops | I was just wondering if anyone had any similar experiences to use as a guide. |
| 21:24.23 | abrotman | elops: i only mention that because i've heard that ext3 outperforms xfs in most situations |
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| 21:24.43 | elops | I'm not a stickler for details, I just want to avoid doing something daft. |
| 21:25.19 | gnarface | elops: if the average file size of the drive is 4k or less reiserfs is probably faster |
| 21:25.21 | elops | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.33 | gnarface | elops: these days they ALL handle sudden power-offs very well |
| 21:25.49 | gnarface | the trick is to find one that is more tuned for your usage |
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| 21:26.46 | elops | hmmmmmmmm |
| 21:26.50 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 21:27.02 | gnarface | for example xfs is known to be capable of speedy deletion of very large files |
| 21:27.31 | elops | I'd like my FS to be as durable as possible. |
| 21:27.35 | gnarface | whereas reiserfs is known to do that comparatively slowly but do very well with speedy reading/writing of very small files (thus is highly suitable for web servers) |
| 21:27.48 | elops | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.03 | elops | Problem is that JFS ends up being a bottle-neck when it comes to the burst speeds that this SSD can hit. |
| 21:28.16 | gnarface | ext3 probably has a much more mature and complete set of tools |
| 21:28.32 | gnarface | but they're making an ext4 so... |
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| 21:29.32 | elops | XFS is bad at deleting files out of large directorie? |
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| 21:29.59 | gnarface | that i can't tell you |
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| 21:30.41 | Tramp | *sigh* the "large directories" problem is ext* withoug dir_index. But even that's default by now afaik |
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| 21:31.10 | gnarface | for my own uses i've found reiserfs to be generally hands down faster for desktops and web servers. i once used xfs because i needed support for *excessively* large files |
| 21:31.42 | gnarface | i've never messed around with an SSD though i'm led to believe that fragmentation might be the biggest enemy of your throughput... |
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| 21:33.41 | sway_ | man |
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| 21:34.47 | gnarface | elops: you seen this yet? http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9190 an old article someone posted on slashdot a while back about optimizing SSD performance. i don't know if its relevant to your model but probably worth a read |
| 21:34.47 | catsup_ | reiserfs blows ext3 away |
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| 21:35.58 | abrotman | not funny |
| 21:36.55 | gnarface | i heard ext3 was asking for it |
| 21:37.02 | catsup_ | haha |
| 21:37.16 | catsup_ | i didn't even mean it that way ok :p |
| 21:39.01 | gnarface | so here's my question; if i want to attach an ide cd-r/cd-rw drive to a sata port through one of those dorky adapters, does the hotplug feature still work? |
| 21:39.39 | abrotman | i'd suspect no |
| 21:39.46 | gnarface | drat |
| 21:39.54 | abrotman | you could ask ##hardware perhaps ? |
| 21:40.05 | gnarface | oh worth a try |
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| 21:46.03 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 21:46.31 | edwin_quijada | I ahve a dell server with 2 processors Xeon and I wanna know if I put a 64bit kernel |
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| 21:47.06 | SeveredCross | edwin_quijada: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:47.10 | SeveredCross | Look for 64-bit in there. |
| 21:47.38 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: look for the 'lm' flag |
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| 21:48.31 | edwin_quijada | abrotman: lm flag in cpu info |
| 21:48.41 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: so yes, it can do 64bit |
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| 21:49.42 | edwin_quijada | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr |
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| 21:50.07 | edwin_quijada | abrotman: so it can support a 64bit kernel |
| 21:50.07 | edwin_quijada | ? |
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| 21:52.47 | BenB | if somebody has an account on one of the domains listed under "pending" on <http://ispdb.mozillamessaging.com/list>, can you please create an account (preferably) in TB and try to log in with the configuration given there, and tell me the result? if you have an email address at a big ISP which is *not* listed there, please let find the mail config and add it. this is for Thunderbird 3 |
| 21:52.47 | BenB | <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration> |
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| 21:55.26 | rgr | would the file name alter the md5 check sum for that file? |
| 21:55.43 | \amethyst | rgr: no, only the contents |
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| 21:57.15 | rgr | maybe you can advice a solution : I have a bunch of audio files dupped but with different checksums. Same file size. Almost same filename. I need to dedup them but the md5 check is stopping things rdfind or fdupes from cleaning them up. Why the checksums are different Im not sure - possibly they were noramlised a little on the remote machine. Basically I want to de-dup any files of the same name in the same directory recursively. |
| 21:57.44 | rgr | not same name, same size I meant there. |
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| 21:59.46 | mreh | evince seems to render blocks of code as a big black box? |
| 21:59.47 | Xenguy | Hello - apparently my google-fu sucks today, as I cannot find a *simple* way to clone a HD :-/ Here's my situation: I just bought a new box to replace the one that fried. The new box HD has a 320Gb SATA drive, and I simply want to rsync/cp/whatever-works the old 160Gb IDE drive contents to the new SATA one (and then make it bootable). How can I do this simply without 'dd' (which I think only works with drives the same size) or non-free software l |
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| 22:00.37 | Xenguy | I had assumed that rsync would be a good tool |
| 22:00.53 | Xenguy | Or that maybe I could even do it with 'cp' |
| 22:01.47 | Xenguy | Is there a HOWTO out there anyone can point me to that doesn't read like a PHD thesis ? |
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| 22:03.27 | rgr | cp -ar isn't it? But then only certain dirs are needed. use dd to copy the mbr. I did it early this year. hold on. |
| 22:04.04 | Xenguy | rgr: OK, I will hold (need to get this up and running this evening) |
| 22:04.07 | \amethyst | rgr: comm -13 <(stat -c '%s %n' * | sort -n -k 1,1 -u | sed 's/^[^ ]* //' | sort) <(printf '%s\n' *) | while IFS='' read -r file; do echo rm "$file"; done |
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| 22:06.15 | \amethyst | rgr: stat prints size filename pairs, the sort -u sorts by size and keeps only one file of each set of duplicates, the sed removes the size. comm -13 prints all files in the second list (all the files) that weren't in the first list |
| 22:06.53 | \amethyst | rgr: then you read each line of output (files with duplicate sizes) and remove those files |
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| 22:08.12 | mee | Xenguy: check out http://www.clonezilla.org/, it's pretty easy to use |
| 22:08.28 | rgr | \amethyst: actually it tried to remove the directories! |
| 22:08.51 | \amethyst | rgr: but if you didn't use -r that won't hurt |
| 22:08.58 | \amethyst | rgr: the directories have the same size :) |
| 22:09.02 | rgr | e.g rm The_Beatles |
| 22:09.34 | Xenguy | mee: tx, will have a look |
| 22:09.36 | rgr | ok, well it didn't seem to pick the acutal files e.g A_a.mp4 and A_A.mp4. |
| 22:09.38 | mee | Xenguy: also, ffr, dd is block level, so it likes the input and output to be the same size because it just copies blocks from location a to location b blindly. the programs 'dump' and 'restore' are the filesystem equivalents, copying files from A to B until all files have been copied. There are pros and cons to both. |
| 22:09.47 | \amethyst | rgr: oh, did you want to descend into subdirectories? |
| 22:10.03 | mee | but clonezilla should make what you're trying to do easiest, imo |
| 22:10.07 | rgr | yes, its a music collection. thats why I hoped fdupes would do it :-( |
| 22:10.32 | DetroitLibertyPe | LXDE |
| 22:11.04 | Xenguy | mee: doesn't look like clonezilla is in debian; I'll check the web site |
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| 22:12.54 | \amethyst | rgr: comm -13 <(find . -type f -printf '%s %p\n' | sort -n -k 1,1 -u | sed 's/^[^ ]* //' | sort) <(find . -type f -print | sort) |
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| 22:13.51 | \amethyst | rgr: that descends into subdirectories, but only looks at regular files |
| 22:14.07 | \amethyst | rgr: pipe that to the while loop like the first one |
| 22:16.22 | raca | over and out |
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| 22:18.24 | rgr | \amethyst: looking good. only thing is when I "sh f" I get "rm: cannot remove `./Air/Moon_Safari/01_La_Femme_dArgent.mp3\nrm" . Where does "nrm" come from? |
| 22:18.30 | rgr | (g is output of your script) |
| 22:18.34 | rgr | f, not g |
| 22:18.56 | rgr | (its not in the output from your script) |
| 22:18.56 | \amethyst | rgr: oh, I mean for you to remove the "echo" after testing it |
| 22:19.02 | \amethyst | rgr: not to execute the output |
| 22:19.08 | rgr | oh of course, simply enough. cheers |
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| 22:20.21 | \amethyst | \n is newline... not sure why that's not being taken as the end of the command, but anyway it shouldn't be an issue the other way |
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| 22:20.47 | \amethyst | rgr: if your filenames contain newlines, the stuff I've written won't work |
| 22:20.52 | imimimimi | hi i currently boot debian into a standard console. how can i get the console to auto-login as root and then run a program (it's for an embedded system) |
| 22:21.03 | imimimimi | text console |
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| 22:21.11 | rgr | they dont |
| 22:22.14 | \amethyst | imimimimi: is the program interactive? |
| 22:22.33 | imimimimi | \amethyst, yes it is but without a keyboard |
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| 22:22.39 | \amethyst | imimimimi: you could run the program on tty1 from /etc/inittab |
| 22:22.48 | \amethyst | imimimimi: instead of running a getty as it currently does |
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| 22:23.21 | imimimimi | imimimimi, so i just put the file in /etc/inittab? |
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| 22:23.44 | \amethyst | imimimimi: no, look in the file and see man inittab to read about the format |
| 22:24.04 | imimimimi | \amethyst: will do, thanks! |
| 22:24.36 | gnarface | \amethyst: is that a good general solution for anything you want started without login, like a mythtv frontend controlled by lircd or whatever for example? |
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| 22:25.14 | \amethyst | gnarface: if it's GUI I'd probably use gdm + autologin as a special user, with stuff in that user's xsession scripts |
| 22:25.32 | gnarface | aah |
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| 22:26.17 | gnarface | i'm having a really really strange problem with bttv and tvtime |
| 22:26.30 | NoCode | Is it possible to install unstable intel drivers using module-assist in squeeze? |
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| 22:27.26 | gnarface | has anyone ever seen a bttv capture card start playing jaggy pink horizontal lines (clearly some sort of memory corruption) randomly after anywhere from 30 seconds to several hours of playback? |
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| 22:31.25 | NoCode | wtf. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/is-there-a-way-to-use-system-ram-to-help-video-card-memory-display-videos-706819/ Why would they suggest to install nvidia drivers on an intel chip? |
| 22:31.45 | NoCode | oh nvm |
| 22:31.56 | NoCode | There's a nvidia card in there. |
| 22:32.00 | \amethyst | NoCode: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1) |
| 22:32.03 | \amethyst | NoCode: yeah |
| 22:32.14 | phix | hey, any reason why dhcpd would update a DNS with .local at the end of it? |
| 22:32.55 | gnarface | cause its running on a mac? |
| 22:33.05 | gnarface | cause it was configured by someone who likes macs? |
| 22:33.31 | mee | Xenguy: fwiw, most of the times I've done what you're describing, I've installed the new drive, booted off a liveCD with dump/restore or DD on it, copied everything over, verified grub, etc. all point to the correct drive/partitions, removed the old drive and rebooted |
| 22:34.06 | NoCode | Can adjust RAM in xorg with my Intel GM965 to make things faster? Or at least adjust memory to make things faster? |
| 22:34.18 | mee | Xenguy: if the new drive is larger, you can also just DD the small drive into the large drive, then resize (expand) the partition. That has worked well for me in the past |
| 22:34.21 | rgr | \amethyst: thanks a lot for that. but now I see where the dups are coming from. rsync is not ignoring case on the file names. The remote Ubuntu system has somehow lowered the case on certain parts of the music library file names. Gah. |
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| 22:36.59 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 22:39.20 | mreh | does anyone know how to disable syntax highlighting in tetex |
| 22:39.43 | Xenguy | mee: someone pointed me to this HOWTO, which sounds similar to what you are saying: http://www.nilbus.com/linux/disk-copy.php |
| 22:40.15 | \amethyst | mreh: "in tetex"? TeX doesn't do syntax highlighting... perhaps you mean in your editor? |
| 22:41.05 | mreh | i've been told that i have to disable syntax highlighting to get a document to render properly as a pdf |
| 22:41.13 | mreh | i'm not actually editing the code |
| 22:41.32 | mee | Xenguy: yup |
| 22:41.53 | mreh | teTeX is a unix latex |
| 22:42.04 | CartoonCat | anyone know if its possible to move from stable to testing with out to much issue? |
| 22:42.28 | Xenguy | mee: so there should be no gotchas with 'dd', even if I'm going from IDE to SATA harddrive? |
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| 22:42.49 | Xenguy | mee: (I've actually never used dd before) |
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| 22:43.59 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: if you have to ask that - don't ;) |
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| 22:44.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell CartoonCat about testing |
| 22:44.58 | CartoonCat | jpinx-eeepc, well, normaly i run gentoo or kubuntu, giving debian a try again after many years. come ot find out, 2.6.26's ath5k doesnt support my cards (gentoo's 2.6.30 did) |
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| 22:45.55 | mee | Xenguy: correct, there should be no gotchas (there have not been in the handful-to-dozen times I've done this) |
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| 22:46.56 | jogla | Is there any 'slurp' sub somewhere? |
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| 22:47.05 | mee | Xenguy: as long as you don't mix up your input-file ('if') and output-file ('of') when you execute your dd command, it shouldn't make any changes to the old disk, so if you image the new one wrong, you can just re-image it and try again |
| 22:47.06 | jogla | ehh, sorry |
| 22:47.09 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: moving from stable to testing is just a matter of editing sources.list and update/dist upgrade |
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| 22:50.58 | CartoonCat | mm, well, would it be 'better' to head to testing, or to push 2.6.30/32 into stable? |
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| 22:51.57 | Xenguy | mee: thanks, I'm going to give this a go. |
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| 22:53.44 | sway_ | stability is underrated. a monkey can be put in front of a computer and have a program run successfully at least once. |
| 22:54.30 | CartoonCat | thats nice sway_ |
| 22:55.10 | sway_ | why thank you |
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| 22:58.53 | ch1pl3t_ | what's the package to install to get latest gpg key? |
| 22:59.21 | ch1pl3t_ | getting gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found while trying to update |
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| 23:00.27 | abrotman | debian-keyring ? |
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| 23:03.57 | ch1pl3t_ | getting "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." when trying to do apt-get upgrade |
| 23:04.04 | ch1pl3t_ | and apt-get -f upgrade |
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| 23:05.08 | ch1pl3t_ | apt-get -f install is also failing... |
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| 23:07.53 | ch1pl3t_ | http://paste.debian.net/49048 |
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| 23:11.23 | sway_ | so happy |
| 23:12.06 | themill | ch1pl3t_: have you been messing around with the /usr/bin/python symlink? |
| 23:12.06 | ch1pl3t_ | am I hoesd here? |
| 23:12.45 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: not intentionally... was trying to update system after a long time without updates, which clearly hosed me |
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| 23:13.49 | themill | ch1pl3t_: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/python" say? |
| 23:14.13 | ch1pl3t_ | "/usr/bin/python2.3" |
| 23:14.20 | themill | eek! |
| 23:14.30 | ch1pl3t_ | lol eek indeed |
| 23:14.40 | themill | ch1pl3t_: when you say "not updated for a long time" how many years do you mean? |
| 23:14.45 | ch1pl3t_ | ha |
| 23:15.16 | ch1pl3t_ | any hope for fix? |
| 23:15.33 | themill | ch1pl3t_: try "aptitude -f install reportbug:" (and hope) |
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| 23:17.17 | Xenguy | mee: I just realized a possible flaw with my plan. I am taking a drive from an AMD box, and cloning it to a HD for use in a new Intel box -- do you know if it will be a problem given that the drive is not for use in the same box? |
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| 23:26.02 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: ok - that got me a bit further... |
| 23:26.11 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: now I am stuck here: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d0293f5a |
| 23:27.22 | themill | ch1pl3t_: upgrading from sarge to lenny directly isn't supported for a reason, you know that, don't you... |
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| 23:27.36 | SeveredCross | Sarge to Lenny? Wow, that is old. |
| 23:28.08 | tntc | ahhhh freenode. nothing like getting those sploiter dcc sends. |
| 23:28.23 | SeveredCross | I haven't gotten one of those ina ges. |
| 23:28.52 | tntc | I got like 5 of em two hours ago. |
| 23:28.52 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: i do now? |
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| 23:29.27 | Stargazer | Is there a gui for samba ? |
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| 23:30.09 | themill | ch1pl3t_: what does "aptitude upgrade" what to do? |
| 23:30.34 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: I did "dpkg -r --force all passwd" then "apt-get -f install" to get past that last one |
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| 23:31.36 | themill | ch1pl3t_: you might like to look at the release notes for lenny at some stage to see the recommended path for upgrading. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 23:34.00 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: wish I would have known that before I started this... heh |
| 23:34.10 | macros169 | Here's a problem on building a package. ACCESS DENIED open_wr: /dev/stderr <----I don't know how to fix it. |
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| 23:38.22 | abrotman | macros169: wtf did ytou do that ? |
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| 23:38.52 | abrotman | erm .. s/wtf/htf/ :) |
| 23:39.17 | macros169 | abrotman: I build with source code. |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | build what? |
| 23:39.36 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: by some miracle, i *think* it's now working... |
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| 23:40.05 | macros169 | deskbar-applet.tar.gz |
| 23:40.16 | themill | ch1pl3t_: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to get rid of that locale warning, btw |
| 23:40.26 | CartoonCat | ok, read the links on testing, doesnt really answer my question. is there a 'debian' way to 'unmask' specific packages? or will I need to just pull in the latest kernel and handle the package manager issues as they happen?? |
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| 23:41.13 | ch1pl3t_ | themill: thx |
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| 23:42.12 | abrotman | Does anyone know of a playlist editor that allows for a time region for a given track? like only play 0:25 to 0:45 on Track 5 for example. |
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| 23:42.33 | deadmike | winamp |
| 23:42.37 | deadmike | ;) |
| 23:43.06 | abrotman | i don't think that does it either |
| 23:43.28 | deadmike | i dont know |
| 23:43.30 | deadmike | theres |
| 23:43.39 | deadmike | a setting in winamp for portables |
| 23:43.45 | deadmike | and its got that filter |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | that's not really what i'm getting at |
| 23:43.48 | deadmike | what you want to do |
| 23:43.50 | markybob | deadmike, if you dont know, why answer? :P |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | deadmike: lay off the enter key |
| 23:44.01 | deadmike | k |
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| 23:44.46 | deadmike | and hay i do know there is that feature in winamp |
| 23:44.50 | deadmike | you can run it in wine persumably |
| 23:45.06 | phobos | xmms |
| 23:45.14 | phobos | the winamp of linux |
| 23:45.57 | ch1pl3t_ | thx for help all, especially themill |
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| 23:47.22 | mhall | What would be the appropriate way to disable the connectivity of an Ethernet Interface or Virtual VLAN Interface, without losing the IP configuration for the interface? |
| 23:47.39 | mhall | Such that, when brought back up, the IP will still be present as before. |
| 23:47.55 | mhall | If one sets the interface down using ifconfig, the IP is lost. |
| 23:48.00 | abrotman | ifdown foo |
| 23:50.38 | mhall | abrotman: Yeah I looked into that. |
| 23:50.49 | mhall | abrotman: But I have to do this on hundreds of interfaces very quickly. |
| 23:50.57 | mhall | abrotman: So that's not a viable route in my case |
| 23:51.11 | mhall | abrotman: So I am thinking I need a C based method. |
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| 23:51.36 | Xenguy | I am taking a drive from an AMD box, and cloning it to a HD for use in a new Intel box -- am I correct that this is this a flawed plan, given that the drive is not for use in the same/original box? Or could this approach work at all? |
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| 23:53.35 | mee | Xenguy: oh, I thought the drive was the only thing changing. That'll almost certainly be a deal-breaker |
| 23:53.52 | mee | Xenguy: you're probably better off just building the HD anew and copying data/configs over to it manually. :( |
| 23:54.43 | mase_wk | Xenguy, mee i don't see why that wouldn't work |
| 23:54.50 | mase_wk | assuming the clone was done correctly |
| 23:55.32 | mee | I'm guessing at least some of the binaries will be compiled in an architechture-specific way, possibly the kernel itself |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | mhall: bash script ? |
| 23:55.59 | mase_wk | nah, if your going x86 to x86 you should be fine on a stock debian |
| 23:56.27 | mase_wk | if you have compiled your own kernel / apps with special flags then possibly |
| 23:56.46 | mase_wk | but by and large it should work |
| 23:56.48 | Xenguy | mee / mase_wk hrm |
| 23:56.56 | mhall | abrotman: this is getting installed in a car factory, 80 seconds == 1 lost luxury car of production |
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| 23:57.07 | mhall | abrotman: so i think i need to figure out if it can be done via ioctl |
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| 23:57.12 | Xenguy | I have no special kernel, just using stock debian kernels |
| 23:57.33 | mee | you might as well try it |
| 23:57.33 | mase_wk | mhall: iptables |
| 23:57.52 | mhall | mase_wk: the idea is, i want a rapid cutover from one old network device to a new one |
| 23:58.11 | mhall | mase_wk: iptables won't work because the old device will still reply to ARPs for the IPs |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | mhall: so why are you taking them up and down ? |
| 23:58.42 | mase_wk | mhall: but you can tell ip tables to forward to the other interface |
| 23:59.12 | mhall | abrotman: ok. old device needs to be shut off. then new device installed and old device ARP for IPs disabled. then new device brought up on same IPs. then if new device fails, this code will shut off all the interfaces so the old device takes back over |
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| 23:59.29 | mhall | abrotman: once the problem is fixed i want the interfaces to come back up, without having lost their IPs. |
| 23:59.30 | Andorin | Is there a program in the repos that will let me convert a Flash video file (.flv) to something like .avi? |
| 23:59.43 | mase_wk | mhall: i think what your trying to do should be done at the network level rather than on the machine |