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| 00:07.20 | jaggz | anyone here use debian on a netbook? Like an asus eee pc or something? |
| 00:07.21 | jaggz | trying to decide which one to get |
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| 00:07.41 | ponky | Theres debian-eee installer for it |
| 00:07.43 | quma | asus eeepc 1008 |
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| 00:07.45 | ix | sony vaio p <3 |
| 00:07.54 | ponky | Eeepc 1000H <3 |
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| 00:08.31 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 00:08.32 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:08.39 | ix | extremely expensive, compared to most -- but well worth it, imho. |
| 00:08.53 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggz: guess which I use :p |
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| 00:27.19 | maher | i have a text file that had encoding problems and end up with things like "Ertöt_uns" - is there some automatic way to fix this? emacs regexp doesn't seem to recognize these things |
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| 00:27.37 | Polarina | maher: iconv |
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| 00:29.56 | maher | Polarina: hmm... this will convert the original file, but maybe I don't have that any more... |
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| 00:31.32 | DynamicPink | Is there a way to have Wine log what it is doing during an install? I have a program that bombs out, but does not tell me why. |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | DynamicPink: ask #winehq |
| 00:31.52 | jpinx-eeepc | can anyone tell me how to get a remote ssh -X session to show me the panel of clickable menu items from gnome? |
| 00:32.13 | Kovensky | start gnome-panel |
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| 00:32.39 | Kovensky | if you want to connect to your already running session, then you should use vino |
| 00:32.43 | Kovensky | (vnc server) |
| 00:32.52 | DynamicPink | Thanks abrotman. |
| 00:33.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Kovensky: cool - that was too easy:) |
| 00:34.16 | Kovensky | jpinx-eeepc: gnome-session if you want a full-featured session :> |
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| 00:34.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Kovensky: tried that - - it makes a big mess of the local desktop :( |
| 00:34.58 | Kovensky | oic |
| 00:35.22 | jpinx-eeepc | even opeing gnome-panel is awkward - it's covering the local panel |
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| 00:35.37 | Kovensky | oic |
| 00:35.45 | Kovensky | hasn't used ssh -X |
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| 00:35.59 | Kovensky | actually, I have, but only for running some wine stuff once |
| 00:36.02 | magyar | is FF 3.5 ever make it into testing? |
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| 00:36.58 | jpinx-eeepc | is trying to make a house server run Wine stuff in X sessions in local laptops for visitors |
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| 00:39.29 | j_14 | jpinx-eeepc: is running each application on its own (without any gnome session) not satisfactory? |
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| 00:40.38 | jpinx-eeepc | j_14: It's for windows users who need a popup menu panel of clickable items to start whatever they want |
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| 00:42.07 | factor | how do I get randr to rotate , has xorg changed |
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| 00:42.36 | factor | xrandr -o 0 fails |
| 00:43.17 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.24 | factor | have that in my xorg conf |
| 00:44.02 | maher | factor: when you type xrandr on its own does it say it can rotate things? |
| 00:44.32 | factor | gives a list of resolutions |
| 00:44.36 | maher | factor: i.e. something like TMDS-1 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 00:45.09 | factor | factor@squareroot:~$ xrandr |
| 00:45.09 | factor | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 1920 x 1200 |
| 00:45.09 | factor | default connected 1920x1200+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 00:45.12 | factor | that is what I get |
| 00:45.29 | maher | factor: no rotation fo ryou! |
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| 00:45.49 | factor | how can I turn it up it was working in debian 32 |
| 00:45.55 | factor | i am on debian 64 now |
| 00:46.07 | maher | factor: what graphics card |
| 00:46.13 | factor | NV9800GT oc |
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| 00:46.33 | maher | factor: which nvidia driver |
| 00:46.40 | factor | cuda |
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| 00:46.51 | factor | cudadriver_2.3_linux_64_190.18.run |
| 00:46.57 | ksnp | does anyone have dovecot working with encfs ? |
| 00:47.36 | maher | factor: no idea - rotation works for me with the m-a compiled nv driver on my nvidia chipset, cab't remember which one, but i did need the option in xorg.conf |
| 00:47.54 | factor | well the rotation worked for CUDA on 32 bit |
| 00:48.09 | factor | is that the correct xorg setting^ |
| 00:48.16 | maher | factor: Option "RandRRotation" "on" <--- i hav ethis though |
| 00:48.22 | factor | Option "RandRRotation" "true" |
| 00:48.26 | factor | ok |
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| 00:48.36 | factor | will try that |
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| 00:51.22 | factor | ok brb |
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| 00:54.59 | factor | no go |
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| 00:55.05 | factor | will check on it later. |
| 00:55.19 | factor | must be a 64 bit usse |
| 00:55.22 | factor | issue |
| 00:55.33 | h725 | given I have a usb device that i want specific permissions (i.e., 0666) how do i write the udev rule? |
| 00:55.44 | h725 | ATTRS{idVendor}=="05ac", MODE="666" |
| 00:55.44 | h725 | does not cut it |
| 00:56.55 | necroforest | anyone here good with PostScript? |
| 00:57.35 | necroforest | Is there a good way to merge several .ps documents into one? I tried psmerge and it didn't work. I tried 'cat' and it didn't work, either (although I got cat to work on a different system before) |
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| 00:58.02 | maher | necroforest: pdftk / pdfshuffle for a gui thingy |
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| 00:58.36 | necroforest | maher, installing now, thanks |
| 00:58.38 | maher | necroforest: oops that was pdf |
| 00:58.46 | necroforest | maher, ps2pdf ;) |
| 00:58.55 | necroforest | it was going to become a PDF anyways |
| 00:58.58 | maher | necroforest: that will work... |
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| 01:00.17 | maher | can i do arithmetic in an emacs regex? |
| 01:00.38 | necroforest | what kind of arithmetic |
| 01:00.45 | robd | Hey guys |
| 01:00.47 | robd | So one question |
| 01:00.57 | robd | Can I get a non-free install cd that would actually have the firmware / modules that I need? |
| 01:01.15 | robd | is really tired of all the politically correct crap that keeps Debian from being a functional release... |
| 01:01.47 | maher | necroforest: i want to replace a bunch of stuff ....01.... ....02.... with .......43..... .....44..... for example |
| 01:01.53 | exn | don't know where else to ask my question.. guys, maybe here somebody knows what the of this track ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BDZYdjGuws , any information :D |
| 01:02.10 | exn | *the name |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | robd: for etch or lenny ? |
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| 01:02.54 | autojack | jelly-home: around? |
| 01:03.06 | necroforest | maher, that's generally outside the capabilities of regular expressions, so i would guess no |
| 01:03.07 | autojack | rats, idle. |
| 01:03.07 | robd | abrotman: Really any |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | !tell robd about installer firmware |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | autojack: you can ask others ? |
| 01:03.29 | robd | ahh |
| 01:03.29 | robd | solid |
| 01:03.56 | maher | necroforest: hah - \,(some random lisp code) |
| 01:04.05 | autojack | indeed. I just hot-swapped a drive in my Debian server, and I'm trying to figure out how to get it to recognize the new one. |
| 01:04.28 | autojack | jelly-home had some tips for me earlier. |
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| 01:04.46 | maher | autojack: does it show up in cat /proc/partitions? |
| 01:04.50 | autojack | this was a failed drive in a software raid 1. |
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| 01:05.23 | autojack | no. when I cat that, I see 'scsi 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to failed device' |
| 01:05.23 | Kovensky | < maher> can i do arithmetic in an emacs regex? <-- no, but you can on a perl regexp |
| 01:05.44 | autojack | that should be the ID for the disk I swapped. |
| 01:06.16 | autojack | this is a SATA disk in a hot-plug backplane. |
| 01:06.31 | maher | autojack: ummm..... dunno |
| 01:06.31 | Kovensky | oh, lisp |
| 01:06.33 | autojack | and I think I need to get the system to rescan the bus to pick it up. |
| 01:06.33 | Kovensky | ._. |
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| 01:06.55 | Kovensky | s/\d+/@{[$1+20]}/g <-- looks easier to me :P |
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| 01:07.13 | autojack | but 'echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan' is coming back with write error: Operation not supported. |
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| 01:07.32 | maher | autojack: isn't there some script in the scsi tools to rescan the bus |
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| 01:08.15 | autojack | yeah but all it does is the above echo command. |
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| 01:08.39 | maher | autojack: ok - dunno |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | you sure it's host0 ? |
| 01:09.13 | autojack | pretty sure, but I just ran scsiadd -s to scan the bus |
| 01:09.19 | perlsyntax | How do i update to perl 5.10.1? |
| 01:09.19 | autojack | all hosts report "operation not permitted" |
| 01:09.24 | autojack | er supported. |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | perlsyntax: in which version of debian? |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | perlsyntax: in general, you probably wouldn't want to |
| 01:10.46 | ephcon | if you want the most recent version, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:10.56 | perlsyntax | 5.0 |
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| 01:11.15 | perlsyntax | i install over the internet. |
| 01:11.36 | ephcon | and replace whatever the name of your version with the version of debian that has it |
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| 01:11.49 | abrotman | ephcon: please dn't tell him that |
| 01:11.52 | maher | downloads the internet |
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| 01:12.21 | abrotman | perlsyntax: you really don't want to change the version of perl on the system. The system expects that version of perl .. if you just change perl, you may get unexpected results |
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| 01:12.26 | maher | notes the internet is rubbish and deletes it |
| 01:12.32 | perlsyntax | ok |
| 01:12.45 | perlsyntax | i thought i could install with apt-get. |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | perlsyntax: lenny has that version of perl, and that's what it will likely always have (except security updates) |
| 01:13.26 | perlsyntax | where can i get that. |
| 01:13.31 | abrotman | get what? |
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| 01:13.42 | perlsyntax | i understand. |
| 01:13.44 | phlux | good toast |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | you already have the versoin you're have .. it's not going to change to 5.10.1 with a security update |
| 01:13.57 | perlsyntax | i see |
| 01:14.18 | maher | perlsyntax: if you break perl fixing your system will kep you amused for some time - if you want to play with the new perl why not install unstable in a chroot |
| 01:14.18 | perlsyntax | i thought install it over the internet would be good idea. |
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| 01:14.53 | abrotman | perlsyntax: it's a fine idea .. doesn't mean you're magically going to get software that didn't exist when it was released |
| 01:15.01 | perlsyntax | i use to ubuntu but never try debian before. |
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| 01:16.11 | perlsyntax | good it has python 2.5.4 |
| 01:16.12 | perlsyntax | :) |
| 01:18.47 | perlsyntax | abrotman thank for the help |
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| 01:20.33 | abrotman | didn't really help |
| 01:20.51 | perlsyntax | that ok. |
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| 01:29.26 | autojack | blah |
| 01:29.32 | autojack | I really don't wanna reboot this box :) |
| 01:29.37 | autojack | hotplug should work! |
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| 01:34.29 | WormFood | d'oh....I remember someone told me how to get top, or some other program, to show my running programs memory usage....I looked at the top man page, and I don't see what I thought I was looking for...can anyone refresh my memory? |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | it already does that .. |
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| 01:35.05 | WormFood | how do I get it to sort on memory usage then? |
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| 01:35.25 | abrotman | hit 'm' ? |
| 01:35.34 | abrotman | sorry .. M |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | but it'll be firefox :) |
| 01:35.57 | err_ | can someone please recommend a small smtp daemon - all i need it to do is forward all *@domain.com mail to a gmail account. something small would be perfect. |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | ssmtp |
| 01:37.13 | err_ | abrotman: i thought that was just for using an external relay. it can receive & process email? |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | you just said you wanted to forward mail |
| 01:37.39 | pipeline | err_: you're doing external relaying.... |
| 01:37.43 | WormFood | I'm 100% expect it to be that pig, firefox |
| 01:37.48 | err_ | no i wanted to forward received email |
| 01:38.05 | err_ | a catchall address |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | ah .. postfix and exim should both be able to |
| 01:38.24 | err_ | yeah - alright thanks. didn't want that kind of overhead. thanks |
| 01:38.47 | WormFood | err_, if you use a catchall, the spammers will find out, and start making up random return addresses and your domain....it fuckin' SUCKS! I've had it happen to me in the past. |
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| 01:39.38 | WormFood | I had to modify my email server (qmail), to make it use a selective catchall....I can use a catchall prefix for example...any mail starting, or ending, with a specific sequence is a catchall |
| 01:39.43 | err_ | WormFood: it's for a certain purpose. a few years ago i had an issue with keeping an open relay alive. that was helllllllllll! |
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| 01:40.16 | WormFood | I fuckin' HATE email to begin with, and the way the system is designed, it is a spammers playhouse. |
| 01:40.43 | WormFood | thanks abrotman....it is "M"....couldn't find that in the man page (but I did look before I asked) |
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| 01:42.06 | abrotman | WormFood: man top /SORTING |
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| 01:42.36 | WormFood | the way qmail is designed, it will accept any email to your domain, so it does not have to report if a mailbox exists or not, then bounce them if the mailbox is not there....nice in theory, but not really a good design...there are patches to reject the email at the smtp layer with qmail, but I had to do some mods to it to work the way I want |
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| 01:43.16 | ksnp | is there a way to setup pptp server on debian and push routes to client so that only traffic on the vpn subnet goes via the vpn (so not as default gateway) ? |
| 01:43.49 | WormFood | I see now abrotman, thanks...I was searching for the wrong thing....no fuckin' wonder I couldn't search and find it...it is listed under "%MEM", and has the word "memory" nowhere near it |
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| 01:44.08 | nevyn | ksnp: the client controls it generally |
| 01:44.11 | WormFood | ksnp, why would you want to use pptp instead of openvpn? |
| 01:44.52 | nevyn | ksnp: the reason that lots of things set default routes to the vpn is that they don't want a host connected to the trusted inside network and the big bad internet simultaneously |
| 01:45.15 | WormFood | and abrotman after I start vmware, IT outweighs firefox as the memory hog :P |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | duh |
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| 01:46.16 | WormFood | abrotman, I had to throw that at ya, because you said FF was the hog, without knowing what I'm running :P |
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| 01:47.58 | ksnp | nevyn, so its not possible like in openvpn to tell the client about default gateway or not etc ? |
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| 01:48.23 | ksnp | WormFood, it is just to be able to use built in windows client for pptp |
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| 01:48.53 | WormFood | rolls his eyes and says "whatever" |
| 01:50.29 | ksnp | nevyn, is it possible to tell the client not use it as default gateway before estabilishing the connection itself ? |
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| 01:51.33 | WormFood | ksnp, use openvpn, as it was designed to be USED, not SOLD (like all microsoft products)....it will do exactly what you want, and a lot more. |
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| 01:55.12 | WormFood | ksnp, you can fight with the shit from mikro$oft, or you can install a real vpn, and use that....I personally think it is less hassle to install something that is well designed, than to fight with the garbage included in winblows. |
| 01:55.44 | icemon | i concur |
| 01:56.48 | WormFood | it is not that hard to make a custom openvpn install, which includes your config files in the install package (which is what I'm personally doing right now) |
| 01:56.52 | ksnp | WormFood, if i had choice i would definitely use openvpn |
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| 01:57.23 | ksnp | WormFood, but i don't in some cases, so i have to use pptp and hence my questions on it |
| 01:57.26 | WormFood | ksnp, did you try #windows? |
| 01:57.37 | ksnp | no, trying now |
| 01:57.59 | WormFood | good luck |
| 01:58.26 | ksnp | thanks |
| 01:58.37 | icemon | i feel your pain, ksnp, i've got 3 different instances of windows running here and they all do their best to drive me to suicide |
| 01:58.43 | ksnp | Wormfood, do you use encfs ? |
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| 01:58.58 | ksnp | icemon, lol |
| 01:59.02 | ksnp | icemon, what servers you have running for windows clients ? |
| 01:59.03 | WormFood | what is that? an encrypted fs? |
| 01:59.18 | ksnp | yes, using fuse |
| 01:59.38 | ksnp | i had trouble getting dovecot to work on encfs |
| 01:59.43 | WormFood | http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ <-- watch this, if you're interested in disk encryption...VERY interesting (if you haven't seen it before) |
| 01:59.53 | icemon | ksnp: none that i made on purpose |
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| 02:00.03 | ksnp | ok.. just posted that on dovecot, but normally that channel is dead |
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| 02:00.14 | WormFood | ok, I'm heading out of the house, see ya'l l8r, good lucky ksnp |
| 02:00.20 | ksnp | icemon, how about those forced to make ? |
| 02:00.29 | ksnp | thanks WormFood, see you later |
| 02:00.35 | icemon | they're all desktops |
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| 02:04.10 | ksnp | interesting article, i wipe the memory before rebooting and use a batch file to reboot or halt instead of the start menu. this issue was actually pointed out in truecrypt, also on dm-crypt forums |
| 02:04.31 | ksnp | icemon, i mean what servers you run for these desktops |
| 02:05.16 | WormFood | but it is impressive as to how long the contents of ram will retain, with no power....I've experienced the same thing in decades past, but had never thought about it from the angle as an attack on an encryption key...just seemed interesting to me. |
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| 02:05.37 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:05.38 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 02:06.30 | ksnp | yep |
| 02:06.43 | ksnp | it is very interesting and probably less known |
| 02:07.11 | ksnp | WormFood, do you use and dd-wrt or openwrt routers ? |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 02:07.35 | WormFood | yes, I've used both...send me a /msg and we can talk about it when I get back |
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| 02:08.08 | icemon | ksnp: icemon has no server |
| 02:08.35 | ksnp | ok |
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| 02:19.00 | Random832 | so i'm trying to install potato on a virtual machine, for old times sake - i keep getting a kernel panic trying to mount the root filesystem |
| 02:19.24 | markybob | jesus |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | Random832: considered that the vm is emulating hardware that didn't exist then ? |
| 02:20.36 | markybob | that's like wanting to watch toy story 3d back when toy story was released in vhs. |
| 02:21.13 | Random832 | well where can i get a vm that emulates hardware from ten years ago? |
| 02:21.17 | markybob | potato is ancient. if you dont have a reason, dont do it |
| 02:21.30 | markybob | Random832, you dont. you use something reasonable |
| 02:21.38 | Random832 | markybob: nostalgia. i want to use kde 1 and netscape 4 and all that stuff |
| 02:21.54 | markybob | Random832, not happening |
| 02:21.57 | Random832 | (got started on this trying to get netscape 4 to work on current ubuntu actually) |
| 02:22.14 | markybob | on current ubuntu...nice |
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| 02:22.20 | Random832 | maybe vmware can do it - there's a trial of that, right? |
| 02:22.20 | markybob | so glad you're asking in #debian |
| 02:22.30 | Random832 | well debian is what i'm trying to install on the virtual machine |
| 02:22.33 | Random832 | i spent an hour downloading this cdimage |
| 02:22.44 | markybob | Random832, stop being stupid |
| 02:23.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | I didn't think potato isos were still available |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | Random832: did you try qemu ? |
| 02:23.23 | mesaGL | come on markybob don't mince words. tell him what you really think |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | !tell Kamping_Kaiser about cd archive |
| 02:23.30 | Random832 | yes, i tried virtualbox, qemu, and bochs |
| 02:24.12 | Random832 | (didn't any of these _exist_ ten years ago? qemu still emulates that crappy svga card, why bother emulating stuff older OSes can't handle?) |
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| 02:25.59 | abrotman | bochs might have .. but as a different name |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | perhaps you're installing it wrong ? |
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| 02:27.05 | tetsu_ | I have mysql server installed locally, how do I make it available to other hosts ? |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | read the mysql docs? |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | make sure it's listening to the external interface |
| 02:27.49 | Random832 | i couldn't boot the cd - or the rescue image. |
| 02:28.18 | tetsu_ | abrotman: I figured it's a debian network access thing, like hosts.allow or hosts.deny |
| 02:28.28 | tetsu_ | it's running it locally |
| 02:28.56 | tetsu_ | i have apache running on port 80 |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | tetsu_: if you look at like /etc/default/mysql or /etc/mysql.cf .. one of them probably says it isn't listening on eth0 .. this can be verified with netstat |
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| 02:46.38 | shivraj | whats a good ati video card to buy ? |
| 02:46.43 | shivraj | radeon hd |
| 02:47.18 | Hun-Chuan | somebody knows the diference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 02:47.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hun-Chuan: one is written in c |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | shivraj: probably better to ask #radeon or #radeonhd |
| 02:47.40 | phobos | shivraj: the one labled gtx 260 |
| 02:48.19 | Hun-Chuan | but the funcionality is same? |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | the end result should be |
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| 02:48.55 | shivraj | phobos: isnt that nvidia ? |
| 02:49.06 | phobos | yes it is... was screwing around |
| 02:49.31 | Hun-Chuan | ok thanks |
| 02:49.50 | shivraj | im using an NVIDIA with proprietary driver right now, but would like to move to radeon hd |
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| 02:50.49 | phobos | shivraj: why? |
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| 02:51.18 | abrotman | shivraj: probably better to ask #radeon or #radeonhd |
| 02:51.18 | phobos | shivraj: not that I'm going to waste my time trying to convince someone to stay with a product that they don't like... |
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| 02:51.32 | mmcji | howdee |
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| 02:52.38 | mmcji | is shutdown -P now, the correct way to shut a Debian server down quickly? |
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| 02:52.56 | mmcji | and safely |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | 'poweroff' should do the same |
| 02:53.41 | mmcji | do they both call the same shutdown script? |
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| 02:54.36 | mmcji | I will have someone onsite to do an upgrade and have been tasked with shutting a Debian 4.0 system down. This is the first time I have been on this server and this revision of Debian. |
| 02:55.04 | pepsi | pulls the plug |
| 02:55.10 | pepsi | there you go |
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| 02:55.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | you should be looking at upgrading that box ;/ |
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| 02:56.56 | mmcji | it is not mine, belongs to a vendor |
| 02:57.23 | mmcji | pulling the plug would work, and get me fired most likely. |
| 02:57.30 | pepsi | nobody would know |
| 02:58.00 | mmcji | :-), I would prefer to avoid filesystem issues if at all possible |
| 02:58.19 | mmcji | but it would be quick |
| 02:58.25 | pepsi | poweroff and be done |
| 02:58.44 | pepsi | too much thinking is bad for your health |
| 02:58.50 | Xenguy | what is the difference between poweroff and regular halt? |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | Xenguy: halt may not turn off the power |
| 02:59.42 | Xenguy | abrotman: hrm, OK, something new learned today then |
| 02:59.42 | mmcji | does poweroff, unmount the files system etc.. ? |
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| 03:00.18 | pepsi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:00.37 | abrotman | mmcji: yes .. just use it .. |
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| 03:00.46 | abrotman | mmcji: or read the man page |
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| 03:00.59 | pepsi | who knew turning off the computer would be so complicated? :( |
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| 03:01.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | pepsi: why, its a lot easdier then starting it up still :) |
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| 03:07.07 | mmcji | poweroff worked fine |
| 03:07.30 | mmcji | I had never used that command before, i appreciate the feedback. |
| 03:07.50 | mmcji | i had planned on doing sync sync sync, shutdown -hP now |
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| 03:08.07 | abrotman | why? the system syncs the filesystems when it shuts down |
| 03:08.08 | mmcji | but after checking the debian docs and google, i wanted to check here as well |
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| 03:47.43 | bobbob1016 | I'm trying to create an mdadm array, but it says that /dev/sd* (* meaning the drives I'm using in the array) is being used, but df -l doesn't show them being used. Any ideas? |
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| 03:49.32 | roe_ | is there an equivalent to packages.debian.org for kernel modules, specifically nic drivers? |
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| 03:52.43 | mee | is it possible/feasible to enable the non-free font hinting libraries (I don't know how else to reference them) in debian? |
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| 03:58.21 | simonrvn | roe_: same place |
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| 04:00.14 | roe_ | searching for forcedeth yields 0 results. |
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| 04:01.03 | hark | search within packages |
| 04:02.15 | roe_ | right, so using "packages that contain files whose names contain the keyword " shows me which kernels have that module, but not which version of that module |
| 04:02.54 | simonrvn | no, of course not. |
| 04:03.08 | roe_ | well that is what I am looking for |
| 04:03.29 | jetscreamer | !forcedeth |
| 04:03.29 | dpkg | somebody said forcedeth was the open-source nVidia Ethernet driver, for nForce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 and later kernels. Ask me about <forcedeth mac>. See also <mcp67>, <rtl8211c>. |
| 04:04.01 | roe_ | !mcp67 |
| 04:04.01 | dpkg | Support for the nVidia MCP67 Ethernet controller was introduced in the forcedeth driver at kernel 2.6.20. To provide support within Etch at installation time, use an etchnhalf installer (ask me about <etchnhalf>). For RTL8211C(L) PHY support, ask me about <rtl8211c>. |
| 04:04.50 | roe_ | I am getting intermittent kernel panics with mcp73 |
| 04:05.31 | jetscreamer | !msg the bot |
| 04:05.31 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 04:05.32 | roe_ | so I wonder if 2.6.20 first saw support for mcp67, if the support for mcp73 isn't quite there yet |
| 04:06.30 | jetscreamer | just being helpful, not trying to hiss on your parade |
| 04:07.01 | roe_ | it doesn't seem like dpkg has much else help any how |
| 04:08.26 | hark | which kernel are you running now? |
| 04:08.33 | roe_ | 2.6.26 |
| 04:08.43 | roe_ | lenny |
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| 04:09.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html |
| 04:09.14 | jetscreamer | listen to hark though |
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| 04:09.41 | roe_ | listens |
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| 04:10.13 | roe_ | jetscreamer, are those the versions in 2.6.26? |
| 04:10.46 | jetscreamer | i have no idea |
| 04:10.51 | hark | all i can say is try the backports kernel |
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| 04:11.53 | tetsu_ | aw |
| 04:11.56 | tetsu_ | abrotman is gone |
| 04:12.03 | tetsu_ | i was going to thank him, and i found how to make it work for now |
| 04:12.04 | roe_ | they are both 2.6.26+17 |
| 04:12.09 | tetsu_ | cya, guys |
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| 04:12.32 | roe_ | I'll give it a go, thanks for the help |
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| 04:39.08 | mmcji | anyone know of a terminal that allows one to create menu's that things like passwords can be pasted into the terminal from? A few years ago, I used a program from WRQ called reflections that allowed that. It was very useful. |
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| 04:39.58 | mmcji | since I have dumped windows for linux, i am looking or a way to do the same thing |
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| 04:40.40 | krisfremen | mmcji: Keepass? |
| 04:41.50 | mmcji | I am looking for a way to access and insert text strings, passwords, etc... into a terminal from the terminal |
| 04:42.03 | mmcji | will keepass do that? |
| 04:42.47 | krisfremen | not sure if it'll work from terminal to terminal |
| 04:42.54 | krisfremen | since keepass is a gui |
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| 04:43.22 | krisfremen | but i think it had a way to enter passwords in other windows |
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| 04:44.54 | mmcji | with reflections, i had 20+ rsa passwords that changed monthly, plus 50 or so strings i used on everything from Cisco gear, to ibm servers. It as very handy. |
| 04:45.00 | mmcji | I will look at keepass |
| 04:48.33 | mmcji | that looks like a windows app. I have ditched windows so I don't think that would help. I did look at it thou including the plugin's. not really what I am looking for, bu Thank you anyways |
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| 04:48.51 | krisfremen | mmcji: it has a linux port |
| 04:49.44 | mmcji | i see that now, i am still reading about it :-) |
| 04:50.46 | autojack | oh great, someone allowed linux-ata.org to expire. |
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| 05:18.31 | xeros | in /sys/power/resume, the file shows "8:9" <--- what does that mean? Thanks. |
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| 05:24.30 | jetscreamer | <major>:<minor> |
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| 05:25.45 | autojack | hmm. now my raid rebuild seems to be causing drive IO issues. my whole system keeps locking for a few seconds every so often, and dmesg is showing ATA errors. |
| 05:25.53 | autojack | wonder if this is a driver bug :/ |
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| 05:26.33 | jsjc_ | is there any way to revert an apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:26.46 | jsjc_ | It upgrade to a sid version |
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| 05:27.09 | jsjc_ | by mistake had that on sources.list... I want to go back to stable anyway? |
| 05:27.36 | Vasistha | jsjc_: not really, no. downgrading is rarely ever supported. |
| 05:27.53 | jsjc_ | argh... I am going to kill myself... |
| 05:28.03 | icemon | calls the police |
| 05:28.12 | Vasistha | jsjc_: what exactly did you do? are you certain you upgraded? cat /etc/debian_version shows unstable? |
| 05:28.26 | jsjc_ | everyhting was working and it just not working nothing now... |
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| 05:28.49 | jsjc_ | yes i am pretty certain |
| 05:28.55 | Vasistha | jsjc_: yeah, that's unfortunate. You should at least anchor yourself on the testing version, squeeze |
| 05:28.56 | jetscreamer | of the swap device i 'think' |
| 05:29.23 | jetscreamer | xeros: <major>:<minor> of the swap device i 'think' |
| 05:29.33 | Vasistha | jsjc_: I mean... I have sid in my sources list as well as lenny, for a handful of packages. I guess you had sid and you did not have lenny? |
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| 05:29.56 | xeros | thanks, but don't understand major:minor - what are they? |
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| 05:30.12 | jetscreamer | device node i 'think' |
| 05:30.46 | xeros | okay, I'll hafta do s'more reading... got another one |
| 05:30.56 | xeros | is there a command that'll return the image size used when suspending to ram (s3sleep)? Not the max size shown in /sys/power/image_size, but the actual image size that's saved. |
| 05:31.39 | jsjc_ | Vasistha I had lot of packages and auto upgrade of packages did the updating to newer versions of everything that was possible and I left sources.list with sid for some stuff I wanted to change earlier today so now updated lot of things that they where working to perfection |
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| 05:32.06 | Vasistha | jsjc_: but-- your sources.list had sid and DID NOT have lenny or stable? |
| 05:32.19 | jsjc_ | had lenny as well |
| 05:32.24 | K|NgGh0sT | Everytime I go to use apt-get update I get this... pt-get update 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]... Any way to diagnose this, doesnt seem to matter what mirror I use? |
| 05:32.34 | jsjc_ | but went and updated it to sid |
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| 05:34.51 | jsjc_ | Vasistha may I use this thing maybe? http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
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| 05:35.21 | Vasistha | jsjc_: I have no experience with it... no idea if it will work. It also looks pretty old. |
| 05:35.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | K|NgGh0sT: does it time out? whats the errro? |
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| 05:37.05 | Vasistha | jsjc_: I mean, you should understand the principle of the thing-- it's less debian's willingness, and more that for each and every single package you upgraded, the maintainers of that particular program provided an upgrade path, but they rarely ever provide a downgrade path. So if config files change, the upgrade will take care of converting the config file to the new format. But there's no tool to convert it back. |
| 05:37.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ditto other on-disk formats |
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| 05:38.07 | awk | hmm, whats up with these packages W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 05:38.23 | K|NgGh0sT | Kamping_Kaiser, it hasn't timed out yet |
| 05:38.26 | awk | I get that regardless of 404 Not Found [IP: used here |
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| 05:39.07 | K|NgGh0sT | Kamping_Kaiser, finally it did.. Err http://dl.google.com stable Release.gpg Connection failed |
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| 05:39.33 | awk | Sorry, is there something wrong with security repo of sid? |
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| 05:40.07 | xeros | awk: sid doesn't have security updates |
| 05:40.34 | awk | xeros: does sid fall under testing ? |
| 05:41.07 | awk | oh, shit... sorry read the name |
| 05:41.10 | xeros | nope... stable and testing get security updates. sid is experimental and doesn't |
| 05:41.11 | awk | sid will allways be called sid.. |
| 05:41.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | K|NgGh0sT: thats not an official repo, check the server is there (eg, visit in a browser) |
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| 05:41.27 | awk | xeros: thanks... |
| 05:41.34 | K|NgGh0sT | Kamping_Kaiser, Err http://debian.yorku.ca lenny Release.gpg Connection failed |
| 05:41.35 | xeros | yw |
| 05:41.51 | jsjc_ | Vasistha I think might work.... |
| 05:41.52 | jsjc_ | lets see |
| 05:41.53 | hark | xeros: testing doesn't, sid is unstable not experimental |
| 05:42.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | K|NgGh0sT: perhaps you've got a broken proxy in the way? |
| 05:42.13 | xeros | doh... yer right, thanks |
| 05:42.29 | Vasistha | jsjc_: did you read what I just mentioned to you? Keep in mind you are looking at a post which is 6 years old, referring to a very old version of debian, what is said there is not at all relevant today. |
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| 05:42.45 | Vasistha | jsjc_: I mean, you can try whatever you like; it sounds like your system is already kinda screwed. |
| 05:43.00 | jsjc_ | Vasistha just kind of... ehehe |
| 05:43.23 | K|NgGh0sT | Kamping_Kaiser, doesnt matter what host it is, they all fail |
| 05:43.42 | K|NgGh0sT | I can tracert to debian.yorku.ca too |
| 05:44.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | K|NgGh0sT: hence my questiona bout a proxy |
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| 05:44.13 | K|NgGh0sT | it used to work.... |
| 05:46.00 | mee | anyone know what the non-free font hinting library/engine is called? I'm trying to search on how to enable it under debian |
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| 05:48.48 | mee | sees references to 'BCI' |
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| 05:56.29 | maxagaz | is it possible, with less, to make it search two terms at the same time ? |
| 05:57.05 | maxagaz | perhaps something like: /foo|bar ? |
| 05:57.20 | mee | that works for me |
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| 06:08.00 | jsjc_ | Vasistha what about downgrading just one package? such as locales |
| 06:08.03 | jsjc_ | anyway? |
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| 06:08.52 | McL0VIN | howdy folks |
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| 06:09.05 | Vasistha | jsjc_: did the package maintainer provide a path to downgrade? I dunno... I'm pretty sure there's a way to force downgrade in apt (maybe in aptitude also). You can try it. |
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| 06:17.09 | McL0VIN | how do someone create a pkg and have it available for apt-get install or aptitude , which doc i should read |
| 06:17.37 | mhymn | McL0VIN: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 06:33.41 | McL0VIN | mhymn: thank you |
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| 06:40.48 | awk | Sorry what was that www for debian to verify what package contains what file... eg: i'm looking for locale-gen I can do a search on it... |
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| 06:44.04 | mhymn | awk: you're looking for apt-file package? |
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| 06:49.20 | bqscott | hey guys... is there any stability concern with using a 2.6.18 kernel on Lenny? should I be using Etch if I want to do that? |
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| 06:52.51 | McL0VIN | shittttttttt i am working nights it 2400 PST here now, wify just called and said happy anniversary ..... i blanked out :) any suggestions |
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| 06:53.53 | maxagaz | how to go to a certain percentage of a doc with less ? |
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| 06:57.16 | mhymn | maxagaz: how about doing a 'man less' and serach for 'percentage' ? |
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| 07:04.33 | sphenxes | several months ago I a have added xchat program to start on boot. Now i have a problems, i can't remmeber where i have added it (xchat). I went to session but it is not there. can someone tell me how can I stop xchat from autostart. (Debian Lenny) |
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| 07:07.32 | mhymn | that's very much related to the desktop envionrment you're using |
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| 07:09.08 | mhymn | in my case, ~/.config/autostart directory for xfce |
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| 07:13.07 | sphenxes | mhymn, gnome |
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| 07:13.57 | mhymn | then it'd probably be a better idea to try #gnome |
| 07:14.09 | Thrae | I'm having trouble setting up 6to4 the Debian Way(tm) on Lenny. I've followed the instructions but I'm getting "Operation not permitted" from ping6. 3/4 of my NICs support IPv6, and Verizon gives me a IPv6 address. |
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| 07:25.30 | neoice | there's not a tool to "clean up" uid/guid allocation is there? |
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| 07:27.46 | maxagaz | mhymn, thabks |
| 07:27.48 | maxagaz | thanks |
| 07:28.05 | maxagaz | how to make copy/paste with less ? |
| 07:28.15 | maxagaz | i couldn't find it in the man pages |
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| 07:29.11 | joltcan | maxagaz: sounds like you need an editor for that. Or use the functions in screen if you are into that |
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| 07:29.28 | maxagaz | joltcan, ok thanks |
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| 07:29.53 | maxagaz | also, a last question, how to show the current line in less ? |
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| 07:30.19 | ethanol | hey guys, if I have a command in my crontab file, how could I most easily place an echo behind it if the command exit's with >0 |
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| 07:32.16 | joltcan | ethanol: command || ehco "foobar" |
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| 07:34.17 | Thrae | ethanol: command && echo "Everything's OK" |
| 07:36.10 | bqscott | ethanol: && expects a return value of 0 |
| 07:36.18 | bqscott | as counterintuitive as it is |
| 07:36.20 | ethanol | now I am confused |
| 07:36.24 | randomuser_ | Hey, I chrooted into a Debian environment from a Ubuntu Live CD. Ubuntu can access the Internet but when I chroot into the Debian environment I can't access the Internet, is there anything special I have to do before chrooting to get Debian to connect? |
| 07:36.36 | bqscott | most stuff indicates an error by returning >1 |
| 07:36.40 | ethanol | I only want to echo if things go foobar |
| 07:37.06 | ethanol | randomuser_: is the interface up? |
| 07:37.17 | swayingshmoon | does 1 = False? |
| 07:37.30 | bqscott | ethanol: || will do it, as Thrae mentioned |
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| 07:38.10 | ethanol | swayingshmoon: not exactly. it is my understanding it can exit with any error code (doesn't have to be 1). but anything above 0 (being success) should simply be considered an error |
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| 07:38.38 | bqscott | that's why it's kind of counterintuitive, since 0 means success |
| 07:38.50 | swayingshmoon | ethanol: thank you |
| 07:38.50 | Thrae | bqscott: I said &&, which should work with any value then <=0 |
| 07:38.50 | ethanol | yes |
| 07:38.50 | maligor | yeah, it's not boolean but a error code |
| 07:38.53 | randomuser_ | ethanol: http://paste2.org/p/470974 |
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| 07:39.16 | bqscott | Thrae: oops, I meant to say joltcan |
| 07:39.23 | ethanol | randomuser_: looks like you'er connected to a gateway or router? |
| 07:39.29 | swayingshmoon | if a command exits by returning a 1, will command && command work? |
| 07:39.33 | bqscott | no |
| 07:39.35 | ethanol | swayingshmoon: no |
| 07:39.39 | randomuser_ | ethanol: Yes. |
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| 07:39.47 | swayingshmoon | thank you |
| 07:40.10 | ethanol | swayingshmoon: are you assigned the same ip as when you are under ubuntu? |
| 07:40.13 | Thrae | bqscott: Oh, I thought && in sh/bash was just an AND. |
| 07:40.34 | Thrae | I appear to be mistaken. |
| 07:40.36 | swayingshmoon | ethanol: redirects to randomuser_ |
| 07:40.42 | ethanol | err sorry |
| 07:40.43 | kraut | moin |
| 07:40.49 | swayingshmoon | s'ok |
| 07:41.01 | ethanol | randomuser_: see above |
| 07:41.33 | bqscott | Thrae: you're right that && works with a return of 0, but since a positive value is considered a failure, it won't for those |
| 07:42.09 | Thrae | bqscott: Right, I thought && was boolean along with a conjunction of commands. |
| 07:42.57 | Thrae | bqscott: It's boolean in [ $foo ] && [ $bar ], right? Maybe that's what I'm thinking of in terms of shells... |
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| 07:43.21 | bqscott | I'm not enough of a shell scripting wizard to answer that |
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| 07:43.35 | Thrae | Your honesty impresses me. |
| 07:44.05 | bqscott | since ethanol wants a command to execute after a >0 return instead of 0, he needs || |
| 07:44.18 | bqscott | ethanol: or if the return code really doesn't matter to you at all, why not just use ; ? |
| 07:44.24 | randomuser_ | ethanol: Yes, it is 192.168.1.147 on both, I think all my interfaces copied over when I ran: mount -o bind /proc /media/Dessert/proc OR mount -o bind /dev /media/Dessert/dev |
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| 07:44.28 | ethanol | yeah, because && works like: if first command success, only then, execute second |
| 07:44.30 | randomuser_ | Sorry, I'm new to chrooting. |
| 07:44.40 | randomuser_ | Is that what I was supposed to do? |
| 07:44.47 | ethanol | and || implies that if the first fails, the second should be executed |
| 07:45.36 | ethanol | bqscott: it does matter to me. if it runs successfully I don't want to do anything |
| 07:45.58 | bqscott | it's good that you care |
| 07:46.02 | bqscott | there are so many uncaring people in the world |
| 07:46.41 | ethanol | I'm a very caring person. I'm like a big fluffy carebear. |
| 07:46.48 | randomuser_ | ethanol: I just discovered something interesting. |
| 07:46.53 | ethanol | randomuser_: do share |
| 07:47.08 | randomuser_ | The chrooted environment is connected to the Internet. |
| 07:47.15 | randomuser_ | It just can't resolve domains. |
| 07:47.20 | ethanol | randomuser_: dns borked? |
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| 07:47.42 | randomuser_ | ethanol: Where do I edit what DNS servers Debian uses? |
| 07:47.50 | \amethyst | randomuser_: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:47.52 | ethanol | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:48.00 | randomuser_ | ethanol: Thanks. |
| 07:48.16 | ethanol | \amethyst: beat me to it :> |
| 07:48.16 | \amethyst | randomuser_: also /etc/nsswitch.conf says whether to use mdns, dns, ldap, etc for lookups |
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| 07:48.16 | randomuser_ | Oh, and amethyst |
| 07:48.53 | \amethyst | but it almost certainly contains 'dns' under 'hosts:' so that's probably not the cause of the problem |
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| 07:49.45 | randomuser_ | \amethyst: Is there a command I have to run after editing that file to make it use the new DNS servers? |
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| 07:50.29 | randomuser_ | Nevermind. |
| 07:50.31 | randomuser_ | I got it. |
| 07:50.44 | randomuser_ | I didn't realize you had to put "nameserver " before the IPs. |
| 07:51.01 | randomuser_ | Yay, apt-get update works. |
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| 07:53.52 | iaj` | hi there :D |
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| 07:54.00 | iaj` | how could I find out which version of php I got installed? |
| 07:54.10 | awk | dpkg -l | grep php |
| 07:54.11 | dpkg | ii | grep php 3.8-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 07:55.12 | Thrae | dpkg: Thanks, now we know you don't have that crucial security patch! |
| 07:55.12 | dpkg | Thrae: pas de quoi |
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| 08:03.35 | iaj` | mh, I'm chrooted and cant access the dpkg command it seems :/ |
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| 08:09.49 | stanley | Hey all.. I was dual booting Windows 7 and Debian off the same HD. I messed up my debian install so I went to reinstall. I deleted all my Linux partitions and created two new partitions, one for swap one for /. It installed fine and rebooted, but now when it tries to reboot I get "Grub Loading.... please wait Error 17" |
| 08:10.28 | sauvin | stanley, does it still boot Windows? |
| 08:11.05 | stanley | sauvin: Nope, I don't even get an option to boot into any OS. I get the error before I have that opportunity |
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| 08:12.14 | sauvin | Sounds like grub didn't install on hd(0,0) properly. |
| 08:12.52 | stanley | sauvin: How can I check? I have ..... 4 or 5 hard drives installed in this computer... |
| 08:13.01 | g00se | stanley: When you *were* dual booting OK, were you using the Windows bootloader or grub? |
| 08:13.02 | stanley | not sure if that'll play a problem |
| 08:13.12 | stanley | g00se: Grub |
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| 08:14.08 | bubuntu | hello, just one thing, please... how can I install debian by usb, without ethernet in acer aspire one? |
| 08:14.15 | g00se | stanley: Then it sounds like you need to reinstall it in the mbr as sauvin says, but you should check the disk situ first |
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| 08:16.27 | stanley | g00se sauvin: Can either of you help me with that? I can make myway around linux, Just not so good with the more technical stuff like this |
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| 08:17.21 | mhymn | bubuntu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 08:17.40 | mhymn | wishes bubuntu a good nickname |
| 08:18.46 | bubuntu | mhymn i know that but i can not install debain without ethernet wired |
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| 08:19.19 | UNiTee | hollllllly cow |
| 08:19.21 | vlt | Hello. I want to use a Debian lenny kernel on an Ubuntu system. What is the best way to install it there? |
| 08:20.10 | mhymn | bubuntu: you know it? and did you read it actually? this part for example -> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#PreparingtheUSBflashdrive |
| 08:20.12 | UNiTee | is it common to have to manualy edit resolv.conf |
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| 08:20.58 | mhymn | vlt: ask #ubuntu |
| 08:21.15 | vlt | mhymn: Ok ;) |
| 08:21.28 | sauvin | I don't know myself how I'd fix such a problem; I'd have to boot into a livecd and rummage about :\ |
| 08:22.01 | mhymn | sauvin: did you google that error? there seems to be some rants about it out there |
| 08:22.28 | sauvin | 17 : "Invalid device requested" |
| 08:22.28 | sauvin | This error is returned if a device string is recognizable but does not fall under the other device errors. |
| 08:22.45 | sauvin | http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html |
| 08:22.53 | UNiTee | anyone? |
| 08:24.03 | bubuntu | mhymn im running under xp and that link it works with netinst that needs wired eth |
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| 08:24.53 | g00se | bubuntu: See http://d-i.pascal.at/ The size of the iso can be as large as you can fit on the stick |
| 08:25.38 | g00se | stanley: So does Win 7 have partitioning tools? |
| 08:25.59 | stanley | g00se: not 100% sure, but I can't boot to either OS. |
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| 08:26.10 | bubuntu | i'll have a look, thx |
| 08:26.27 | g00se | stanley: Well how did you make your partitions then? |
| 08:27.37 | stanley | g00se: I installed Win7 and left empty space from it's original partition, then booted into debian and installed, and it used the free space on the disc |
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| 08:27.59 | stanley | then when I just reinstalled I just deleted all the linux-related partitions and created a new swap and / in the free space |
| 08:29.22 | g00se | stanley: I can't remember now but i think the installer has a rescure mode |
| 08:29.46 | stanley | g00se: I just shut down, removed all the other drives, and am trying to reinstall |
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| 08:30.08 | stanley | g00se: mabe it installed grub or the mbr to the wrong HD |
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| 08:30.48 | K10 | hi |
| 08:30.56 | g00se | If you're dual booting, you need of course the HD with Windows on it |
| 08:31.00 | K10 | how can i open a new terminal with getty? |
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| 08:31.10 | K10 | getty -n -l /bin/bash 9600 tty10 |
| 08:31.25 | K10 | seems to work, but some programms then print out "error opening terminal: linux" |
| 08:31.48 | RichiH | german keyboards treat the right alt key as meta2, not meta. is there any way to do the same with a US layout? |
| 08:32.06 | bubuntu | g00se i am running under winxp.. that webpage is not useful for me |
| 08:32.12 | \amethyst | K10: that should be in ncurses-base |
| 08:32.57 | K10 | \amethyst, i know that this are programms who are using ncureses |
| 08:33.02 | K10 | but how can i fix that? |
| 08:33.31 | K10 | terminals who are opened by the distributiion itself work without problem |
| 08:33.37 | \amethyst | K10: hm |
| 08:33.52 | \amethyst | K10: maybe there's something weird in your environment? |
| 08:34.07 | K10 | \amethyst, oh, good tip |
| 08:34.12 | \amethyst | K10: are you running getty from the command line, or from inittab? |
| 08:34.32 | \amethyst | K10: if the former, try adding the getty to inittab and kill -HUP 1 to reload it |
| 08:34.48 | K10 | iam loading it from the commandline |
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| 08:35.02 | K10 | on my system there is no way to load it from init |
| 08:35.07 | g00se | bubuntu: Try unetbootin |
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| 08:35.56 | bubuntu | unebootin doesnt work, during the installation process it keeps looking for a CD... i am looking for dd |
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| 08:36.46 | g00se | bubuntu: afaik it supports sticks too |
| 08:37.25 | stanley | g00se: yea, they're on the same HD |
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| 08:38.15 | bubuntu | thx... i will try it |
| 08:38.15 | UNiTee | hey |
| 08:38.22 | UNiTee | if i change the mac address of something |
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| 08:38.28 | UNiTee | next time i plug it in |
| 08:38.32 | stanley | g00se: phew, that worked, i guess it just installed the mbr to th wrong HD. |
| 08:38.38 | UNiTee | will it be the old mac again, or the new one. |
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| 08:38.55 | g00se | stanley: Good. Make sure it boots Windows |
| 08:39.13 | stanley | g00se: yup. already tested that |
| 08:39.40 | vlt | How can I download a certain .deb package and all dependencies? Is there an option for `dpkg -i` that fetches dependencied automatically? |
| 08:39.53 | stanley | g00se: now the setup begins. Fun. high end video card, dual monitors, unsupported sound card... :P |
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| 08:42.51 | K10 | \amethyst, query allowed? |
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| 08:43.24 | themill | vlt: we have apt for that already |
| 08:43.32 | \amethyst | K10: ask in channel |
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| 08:44.25 | K10 | \amethyst, iam building a very small linux-system, so init is only a small script how only do basic things and than open a terminal |
| 08:44.42 | K10 | \amethyst, nothing more, so i cant let them start over init |
| 08:45.31 | Thrae | stanley: http://www.matts-hosting.com/~generalmx/four_monitor_setup.jpg. Just some old 15" LCDs I had laying around. |
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| 08:47.18 | stanley | Thrae: hehe, nice. I had a 4 monitor setup for quite a while, 3 x 24" Samsung T240's in a row, with a 22" samsung 2253BW above my middle 24" |
| 08:47.39 | K10 | \amethyst, seems to be not a goot idea? :D |
| 08:48.03 | stanley | Thrae: it was.... beautiful! Sold off one 24" and a 22" though, I'll be moving in 2 weeks, too much to bring with me |
| 08:48.03 | \amethyst | K10: oh, so this isn't debian |
| 08:48.24 | \amethyst | K10: I'm confused |
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| 08:49.03 | K10 | \amethyst, not any more |
| 08:49.24 | \amethyst | so the ones launched by the system, the ones that work, are launched by your init script? |
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| 08:50.08 | \amethyst | s/ones/gettys/ |
| 08:50.26 | Thrae | stanley: Now if you're talking Xinerama, DualView, etc. ... lemme just say I use Windows 7 as my workstation / gaming machine for a reason other then programming. But my servers are Debian-based. |
| 08:50.52 | K10 | \amethyst, no sorry, the terminals from the full linux-installation are working, but not from my own system |
| 08:51.03 | K10 | \amethyst, sry, my english is very bad |
| 08:51.33 | \amethyst | K10: is your own system running in a chroot or in the same filesystem as Debian? |
| 08:51.42 | Xanie | does any one know what it means when you boot up and it says ibly broken failed? |
| 08:51.59 | K10 | \amethyst, ists running from a diffrent harddisk |
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| 08:52.23 | K10 | \amethyst, i only used a debian-based distribution for the binary-files |
| 08:52.33 | K10 | \amethyst, so a dont waste time for compiling it |
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| 08:52.45 | \amethyst | Xanie: googling for that returns "/var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system poss ibly broken failed!" |
| 08:53.02 | stanley | Thrae: I had them all working fine actually. But yea, I use Win7 for all my gaming and have been for my workstation lately. Going to start using Linux on my work station though, it's waaay better for programming |
| 08:53.03 | UNiTee | how can i get the mac address of device wlan0? |
| 08:53.13 | \amethyst | K10: is it running at the same time as Debian? |
| 08:53.25 | stanley | Thrae: I'll have a windows virtual box for some of the windows programs I need, and for viewing sites |
| 08:53.45 | Thrae | stanley: Hardware acceleration on ALL heads really makes a big difference, and that's hard even with ATI drivers (who try to be nice with Linux). Nvidia is getting nicer with Linux, but they still got a ways off. |
| 08:53.50 | K10 | \amethyst, no |
| 08:53.57 | \amethyst | K10: ah... |
| 08:53.59 | UNiTee | anyone? |
| 08:54.26 | K10 | \amethyst, there is no "connection" between the both |
| 08:54.41 | \amethyst | K10: your system is missing terminfo descriptions (/lib/terminfo or /usr/share/terminfo or /etc/terminfo) for important terminal types like "linux" |
| 08:54.59 | Thrae | Now Matrox was a nice dualhead card back in the day, with DRI on both heads |
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| 08:55.17 | \amethyst | K10: in Debian they're in the ncurses-base package (and others in ncurses-term) |
| 08:55.39 | \amethyst | K10: you can get them from the ncurses distribution probably |
| 08:55.43 | K10 | \amethyst, ah, ok |
| 08:56.06 | K10 | \amethyst, and i have a other problem too, ctrl-c is not working in this terminals |
| 08:56.09 | \amethyst | K10: btw, mounting the other OS from Debian and chrooting into can be useful for bootstrapping |
| 08:56.20 | \amethyst | K10: check the stty settings |
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| 08:57.08 | \amethyst | K10: stty to show non-default settings or stty -a to show all |
| 08:57.32 | \amethyst | K10: with a chroot, you'd be able to avoid having to reboot to switch back and forth |
| 08:58.32 | sparse | Hello, I have little problem with console access to my console during boot - it stops after the kernel is loaded and as the services are starting. I know there was some setting, but I do not remember, could anyone help? |
| 08:58.35 | K10 | \amethyst, ok, thank you! |
| 08:58.56 | \amethyst | K10: obviously, you wouldn't want to test startup/shutdown in a chroot, and you'd have to make sure to start at tty8 or so to not conflict with debian, but it's possible |
| 08:59.23 | \amethyst | K10: for those kinds of things, virtualbox is also quite nice |
| 08:59.42 | K10 | \amethyst, for now i have running a ubuntu system |
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| 09:00.59 | \amethyst | ls /home isn't a good way to get a list of users |
| 09:01.02 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 09:14.36 | cammoblammo | I'm trying to set up a temporary podcast on my home network. I happen to have lighttpd set up on my main machine. What's the lightest way to set the cast up without having to install too much more? |
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| 09:21.47 | Duddle | hello everybody! |
| 09:22.22 | Duddle | I want to install debian on a system with a qlogic fibre channel device |
| 09:22.35 | Duddle | the debian installer asks for the custom firmware |
| 09:23.02 | Duddle | but there is no physical way that I can get a usb stick or floppy to the server |
| 09:23.07 | NickDeNeger | is it possible to switch from lenny to testing just to get the transmission 1.75-1 package and then set it back to lenny? |
| 09:23.15 | Duddle | can I incorporate the .bin on the install disk itself? |
| 09:23.33 | Duddle | the firmware ql2400_fw.bin that is |
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| 09:25.00 | Thrae | Duddle: You could burn it on its own CD and swap the disc out when it asks. |
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| 09:25.36 | Duddle | it looks there as well? will try that, thanks |
| 09:26.54 | Flexy | Having trouble with cups. Logs says cups misses /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp. And it seems to be true. that file is in /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/. |
| 09:27.19 | Flexy | should I just copy it to the dir cups seeks it in? symlink it? |
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| 09:28.04 | maxagaz | ext3 is a filesystem, but nfs uses ext3, so why is it also called file system ? |
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| 09:28.35 | Flexy | because it is acceccible from net? |
| 09:28.47 | Flexy | ie, not locally |
| 09:29.19 | Thrae | maxagaz: I believe NFS stands for Networking File System. |
| 09:29.34 | Flexy | I think so too, IIRC |
| 09:29.47 | maxagaz | but it is seen as a file system by mount, that's what i don't understand |
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| 09:30.08 | maxagaz | on the same level as ext3 |
| 09:30.09 | Flexy | because it is mounted, just like any other filesystem |
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| 09:30.22 | maxagaz | but it seems that nfs is on a higher level than ext3 |
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| 09:30.34 | Flexy | not to the mounting side |
| 09:30.46 | Thrae | NFS is a file system for file systems. It lets you network other file systems. |
| 09:30.53 | Flexy | right |
| 09:31.12 | maxagaz | ok |
| 09:31.27 | Flexy | any idea on my cups problem? |
| 09:31.53 | maxagaz | so, I could use nfs to mount a remote directory that is on an nfts partition, right ? |
| 09:31.54 | Thrae | If you have Samba installed, mount can also do SMB, which is like NFS except crappier and for Windows. |
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| 09:32.28 | Thrae | You'd need an NFS server running on the remote computer containing that NTFS partition. |
| 09:32.38 | maxagaz | ok |
| 09:32.42 | maxagaz | does it exist ? |
| 09:32.49 | Flexy | for windows? |
| 09:32.51 | Flexy | doubt it |
| 09:32.52 | maxagaz | yes |
| 09:33.07 | Flexy | never checked, thought |
| 09:33.10 | Thrae | Yes, but it's tricky. Usually Samba is used for accessing shares from a Windows system by a *nix system. |
| 09:33.36 | Thrae | Samba has the SWAT tool which makes it easier to setup. |
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| 09:46.03 | iceroot | is dh_installdirs ALWAYS creating debian/tmp/ and then the content from package.dirs? i am wondering about the tmp. never told dh_installdirs to use tmp |
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| 09:59.49 | jony123 | How do i add a user |
| 10:00.07 | jony123 | with a password |
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| 10:00.07 | bigpresh | jony123: 'adduser'? |
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| 10:00.36 | jony123 | ok how do i change an exisiting users password? |
| 10:00.44 | inigo | passwd uername |
| 10:00.45 | bigpresh | 'passwd username' |
| 10:00.47 | inigo | username |
| 10:01.02 | inigo | as root |
| 10:01.12 | inigo | as the same user, simply: passwd |
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| 10:02.51 | UNiTee | can anyone help me out. |
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| 10:05.03 | McL0VIN | what is stable now ? |
| 10:05.33 | themill | McL0VIN: debian.org or /topic can tell you that |
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| 10:06.06 | themill | iceroot: debhelper uses debian/tmp and debian/packagename to assemble the package. If you only use dh_* functions then you don't need to worry about that; if you are manually calling cp/install/whatever or have to manually set DESTDIR when calling make install from your rules file, then you need to pay attention to that. |
| 10:06.43 | McL0VIN | themill: thanks mate |
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| 10:25.57 | swoody | What are the best forums for getting Debian help? |
| 10:26.36 | mischief | debian mailing lists i imagine |
| 10:26.43 | mischief | not a forum per se |
| 10:27.13 | swoody | yeah, I hear the lists are quite popular, but I was just curious to see what the best forums would be |
| 10:27.38 | petemc | there are no 'official' forums |
| 10:27.57 | pif | hi, is there a tool to remove pdf restrictions? |
| 10:29.54 | sweetandy | how do I turn on a framebuffer for a higher resolution? |
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| 10:31.08 | sweetandy | and does it run on a tty or as an X display? |
| 10:31.20 | sweetandy | I'm finding it difficult to find information on this |
| 10:32.09 | jelly | sweetandy: what are yout trying to do with the framebuffer/ |
| 10:32.10 | jelly | ? |
| 10:32.29 | sweetandy | just regular terminal tasks |
| 10:32.32 | sweetandy | I just want more space, you know? |
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| 10:32.44 | sweetandy | the standard ttys are awfully small |
| 10:33.21 | McL0VIN | what is the easiest way to send .conf file from debian cli to windows box |
| 10:33.30 | busbus | hi there |
| 10:34.37 | nsadmin | run linux on the windows box |
| 10:34.37 | slacker_nl | hmm, does debian provide gvim? |
| 10:34.49 | slacker_nl | cannot find it via apt-file search gvim |
| 10:35.07 | sweetandy | I've been using Linux for like... five years? and I've never gotten a framebuffer working voluntarily. The Ubuntu LiveCD on my Intel Mac Mini has framebuffered ttys... it's beautiful |
| 10:35.24 | the-dude | slacker_nl: vim-gtk ? |
| 10:35.29 | hark | slacker_nl: it shows up here |
| 10:35.32 | busbus | slacker_nl: aptitude shows gvim, |
| 10:35.57 | hark | slacker_nl: use apt-cache search |
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| 10:37.14 | slacker_nl | k, thnx |
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| 10:40.48 | SmokeyD1 | hey people. In a text based system, (no Xorg/GNOME/etc), how can I change the output screen? I have a laptop with a broken screen but I can get into the machine through ssh. Can I somehow change the output screen to use the external monitor hooked up to the system? |
| 10:41.21 | sweetandy | now *that's* a cool question |
| 10:41.35 | SmokeyD1 | :) was that ironic? |
| 10:42.02 | seeS | output of what? |
| 10:42.10 | the-dude | SmokeyD1: press the button to redirect output to a external screen |
| 10:42.14 | sweetandy | not ironic, just... cool. don't know though. |
| 10:42.16 | seeS | you mean a getty or the logs or what? |
| 10:42.28 | SmokeyD1 | seeS: the normal output of the terminal |
| 10:42.29 | Thrae | SmokeyD1: If you close the lid on your laptop, generally it will switch output at a hardware level to the external monitor. There's also a switch which may work too, which is different for different brands. |
| 10:43.03 | seeS | there could be a grub parameter |
| 10:43.03 | SmokeyD1 | seeS: so I can interact with the machine. Since the normal screen is broken, I can't see what I am doing (Except through ssh). |
| 10:43.04 | the-dude | and some laptops just enable it if a external screen is attached while booting |
| 10:43.08 | Thrae | But I wouldn't be surprised if Debian Linux didn't handle this very well |
| 10:43.25 | seeS | actually there is |
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| 10:43.38 | seeS | and probably map the log dev to |
| 10:43.38 | jony123 | http://nonoba.com/chris/multiplayer-asteroids/multiplayer-asteroids-battle9 |
| 10:43.59 | SmokeyD1 | Thrae: it is a powerbook unfortunately with a powerpc processor. Closing the lid will shut it down and I am not aware of any buttons like Fn-F8 on the powerbook which do what you suggest. But I will dig deeper into it |
| 10:44.42 | Thrae | SmokeyD1: Closing the lid causing a power down event can normally be changed in the BIOS if it's enabled in there, and also in the operating system itself. |
| 10:45.20 | SmokeyD1 | Thrae: yeah, but the problem is, the screen is broken so I can't see what I am doing when I am in the BIOS :) |
| 10:45.27 | SmokeyD1 | nice problem :) |
| 10:46.39 | Thrae | SmokeyD1: Depending on how the "lid down" switch is implemented, you may be able to fool the laptop into booting to the external monitor. There are generally two types of lid sensors -- a button that is pressed down by the lid (either on the lid or where it connects), or a magnetic switch. |
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| 10:47.44 | joltcan | SmokeyD1: I seem to recall that it was possible to modify that behaviour with the power saving stuff in linux, so that you could modify the screen close event |
| 10:47.52 | joltcan | SmokeyD1: but that was a long time ago :/ |
| 10:47.58 | McL0VIN | how can i add a user to access ssh |
| 10:48.09 | joltcan | McL0VIN: adduser |
| 10:48.13 | McL0VIN | ^^ give permission to access ssh to my box |
| 10:48.14 | joltcan | McL0VIN: ...and install ssh |
| 10:48.43 | McL0VIN | joltcan: i do have it, and i can access with 1 user but not the other |
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| 10:49.39 | ubsafder | what do i need to compile a new kernel ? |
| 10:49.46 | Thrae | McL0VIN: Are you trying to ssh in as root? Or a different user? Can you login locally with the user? |
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| 10:50.34 | Thrae | ubsafder: You can do one of two things: the normal way, and The Debian Way(tm). Both have guides, and the latter guide is provided on Debian's website. |
| 10:50.45 | McL0VIN | Thrae: not as root |
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| 10:51.08 | joltcan | McL0VIN: well, all users can ssh by default. Is this a ssh problem or a network firewall problem? |
| 10:51.22 | joltcan | McL0VIN: I.e. can the user connect to the system at all? |
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| 10:51.43 | hark | McL0VIN: what have you tried? |
| 10:52.23 | McL0VIN | hark am trying to give user access to scp from the host |
| 10:53.11 | ubsafder | i am compiling on an arm and it looks like looking for something like arm-linux-gnueabi-ld not found |
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| 10:53.52 | ubsafder | i could find it which apt-cache |
| 10:54.06 | SmokeyD1 | Yihoo, I did it. Just start the laptop with a usb keyboard attached but when pressing the power button, directly close the lid very quickly. The powerbook then boots with the external monitor as primary monitor |
| 10:54.07 | SmokeyD1 | :) |
| 10:54.26 | sweetandy | Congrats! |
| 10:54.31 | SmokeyD1 | :) thanks |
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| 10:55.12 | OpenTokix | SmokeyD1: it's like a game |
| 10:55.21 | SmokeyD1 | indeed |
| 10:55.28 | sweetandy | A rather complicated game. The best kind ; ) |
| 10:55.54 | SmokeyD1 | I have the challenge of getting a powerbook with a broken screen running debian lenny as a server for some play/test uses by a friend of mine |
| 10:55.58 | SmokeyD1 | I like the project |
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| 10:56.10 | hark | McL0VIN: if you can ssh, you can scp. i'm not sure what problem you're facing |
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| 11:01.17 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
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| 11:01.35 | sobersabre | I've found out one of the disks in the RAID5 is not responding. |
| 11:01.50 | sobersabre | it's a SATA disk. |
| 11:02.17 | sobersabre | It's on warranty and all, but I wonder: I can't open this disk with fdisk, |
| 11:02.26 | sobersabre | I can't see its detail in hwinfo --disk |
| 11:02.31 | sobersabre | I mean the s/n |
| 11:02.44 | sobersabre | shall I try and reboot, or "let's call it a quit" ? |
| 11:03.14 | sobersabre | is it possible it got "asleep" for until a reboot ? |
| 11:03.26 | sobersabre | it's a WD disk, YS (i.e. RAID) edition. |
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| 11:03.39 | techouse | how do i make an icon smaller? not all just 1 particular type |
| 11:03.43 | sobersabre | ok, I've said it all... |
| 11:04.06 | techouse | i changet the image of the torrent icon and now they are huge :P |
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| 11:04.54 | Duddle | hello again! I'm trying to install a custom firmware while installing debian ("some of your hardware needs non-free hardware to operate"), it asks me if I want to load it from an external medium (usb, floppy) |
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| 11:05.14 | techouse | i'm in gnome |
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| 11:05.20 | Duddle | physically I cannot use a usb or floppy, so someone here earlier said I could load a different .iso |
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| 11:06.06 | Lemon_BE2 | Does bind9 uses /var/named directories? |
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| 11:10.38 | McL0VIN | someone just hacked my Debian box |
| 11:10.47 | McL0VIN | thru /tmp/keydfw |
| 11:10.58 | fredl | hello folks. Is there something wrong with udev in Sid by any chance? |
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| 11:11.35 | McL0VIN | what and he got root access |
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| 11:11.41 | fredl | on boot my system says the md device is active, tries to mount the root for a while and then drops me into a shell saying it could not mount / |
| 11:11.54 | McL0VIN | kernel vulnerability |
| 11:11.55 | Lemon_BE2 | how can i test my local DNS server to see if it resolves a domain only using its own zone files |
| 11:12.22 | fredl | plus I'm in the rescue CD now and my terminal settings seem quite confused LOL |
| 11:12.36 | fredl | hang on lemme try from another VC if possible |
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| 11:14.34 | fredl | hmm not good... |
| 11:14.58 | fredl | okay lemme try this again (couldn't read a thing earlier) |
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| 11:15.13 | fredl | is something broken in udev in the current Sid? |
| 11:15.52 | fredl | coz when I boot, the only thing I see is that the md device is active and then the system waits a while before dropping me into an initrd shell |
| 11:16.14 | fredl | it would seem that the /dev/mapper devices are not there. |
| 11:16.35 | fredl | (to the best of my knowledge that means that udev's not doing it's work properly) |
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| 11:17.28 | fredl | hey dutchfish :) |
| 11:17.44 | fredl | is beating his system senseless. |
| 11:17.47 | dutchfish | !coffee fredl |
| 11:17.47 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for fredl, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 11:18.11 | fredl | hey dutchfish do you happen to know if something is fubar with udev in the current Sid? |
| 11:18.39 | fredl | hippy-blend coffee yeah that's just so like me :P\ |
| 11:18.50 | fredl | <- real hippie |
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| 11:19.32 | dutchfish | fredl, no but you can find out here http://edos.debian.net/weather/ |
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| 11:20.21 | fredl | dutchfish: gimme a break and check for me :) I'm currently in rescue mode, no browser and stuff and can't even start up w3m LOL |
| 11:20.31 | dutchfish | fredl, like here: http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/unstable/latest/amd64/list.php |
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| 11:21.15 | fredl | the 2.6.30 kernel is the latest in Sid is it not? |
| 11:21.32 | dutchfish | !info kernel |
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| 11:21.46 | dutchfish | !kernel |
| 11:21.48 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091016, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc5, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc4-git5, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.4 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.28: 2.6.28.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.37 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6 |
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| 11:22.20 | fredl | Hmm I wonder why I don't see all of those in apt-cache search... |
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| 11:22.43 | dutchfish | well aptitude search linux-image would tell you |
| 11:22.56 | fredl | lemme see... brb |
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| 11:24.26 | fredl | nah, aptitude search kernel-image also only shows me 2.6.30 |
| 11:24.29 | markybob | that factoid shows the latest kernels, period. not the latest kernels in debian |
| 11:24.39 | markybob | the latest in sid is 2.6.30 |
| 11:24.45 | fredl | that's what I thought yeah. |
| 11:24.54 | fredl | pushes dutchfish |
| 11:25.08 | dutchfish | 2.6.30+21 |
| 11:25.11 | dutchfish | yes |
| 11:25.22 | dutchfish | so compile your own if you need a newer |
| 11:25.45 | dutchfish | i am at 2.6.32-rc5 atm |
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| 11:25.48 | fredl | done that before, I know how to do that, that's not the problem I'm having... |
| 11:25.51 | dutchfish | just for testing |
| 11:26.02 | yacyac | how do i kill an app which has got hangged |
| 11:26.05 | dutchfish | ok, tell me |
| 11:26.14 | fredl | problem I'm having seems to be that /dev/mapped doesn't get populated by the 2.6.30 initrd |
| 11:26.22 | dutchfish | yacyac, kill [pidnumber] |
| 11:26.23 | markybob | yacyac, kill -KILL `pgrep appname` |
| 11:26.54 | dutchfish | fredl, is your your inird in good state? |
| 11:26.54 | fredl | it really freaked me out at first to *only* see a line saying 'md device activated', then nothing for a while ang then get tossed into an initrd shell |
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| 11:26.56 | yacyac | ok |
| 11:27.32 | fredl | dutchfish: I'd think so, I just reinstalled the 2.6.30 kernel again, I think the initrd gets recreated automaticall then, right? |
| 11:27.55 | dutchfish | fredl, normally yes, but i had some times it wasnt updated |
| 11:28.00 | fredl | I gues sI could dpkg-reconfigure unless you can confirm the above... |
| 11:28.09 | babilen | or "pkill" with appropriate flags... "pkill -KILL pattern" |
| 11:28.17 | dutchfish | fredl, update-initramfs -c -k [2.6.30-foo] |
| 11:28.30 | fredl | hmm lemme try that then.. |
| 11:28.33 | fredl | brb |
| 11:28.37 | dutchfish | fredl, update-initramfs -u -k [2.6.30-foo] |
| 11:28.47 | dutchfish | if it is there and just need to be updated |
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| 11:29.40 | fredl | dutchfish: what was that initramfs cmdline again? |
| 11:29.47 | dutchfish | fredl, update-initramfs -u -k [2.6.30-foo] |
| 11:29.54 | fredl | memory is getting older :P |
| 11:30.00 | dutchfish | ha |
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| 11:30.09 | fredl | rode a bike for 50 miles yesterday, I think that dissolved some braincells. |
| 11:30.18 | fredl | no -c? |
| 11:30.27 | dutchfish | -c create -u update |
| 11:30.35 | fredl | ah, ok |
| 11:30.43 | fredl | lets try again |
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| 11:48.25 | Lemon_BE2 | How can i test if my local bind9 server has a record for a specific domain? |
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| 11:49.01 | SlayerXP | Lemon_BE2: host foo localhost |
| 11:49.37 | Lemon_BE2 | that command still asks the nameserver setup in the ns part of the domain |
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| 11:50.30 | dutchfish | something like dig @localhost -t A foo |
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| 11:50.53 | seeS | dig or nslookup will do it |
| 11:51.20 | seeS | im prety sure host looks at nsswitch.conf |
| 11:51.24 | fredl | bizarre... I completely purged all kernels, reinstalled 2.6.30-amd64, saw it actually creating an initrd image... |
| 11:51.42 | Lemon_BE2 | if i do "dig @localhost adiuvare.be" |
| 11:51.43 | fredl | but no lvm devices in the initrd |
| 11:51.50 | Lemon_BE2 | it still asks it to ns1.adiuvare.be |
| 11:51.53 | Lemon_BE2 | which is my old server |
| 11:52.06 | dutchfish | fredl, was does fdisk tells you? |
| 11:52.16 | dutchfish | fredl, fdisk -l |
| 11:52.50 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, dig @localhost -t A foo |
| 11:53.13 | fredl | I would have to check dutchfish. I switched my old server back in again now. It's kinda fubar because the server that's acting up right now is also my central server.... |
| 11:53.30 | fredl | so it's offline right now, I'll take it upstairs with me in a bit... |
| 11:53.33 | dutchfish | fredl, ah ic |
| 11:53.38 | Lemon_BE2 | dutchfish, i dont need to check only the A record |
| 11:53.39 | Lemon_BE2 | i mean |
| 11:53.45 | Lemon_BE2 | i only want to to ask my local nameserver |
| 11:53.45 | fredl | weird thing though is, when I boot into the rescue shell, everything works fine. |
| 11:53.52 | Lemon_BE2 | it shouldnt delegate it to another nameserver if no zone is found |
| 11:53.53 | fredl | that is, from the rescue CD. |
| 11:54.20 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, then your nameserver does forward it, or is not authoritive for that domain |
| 11:54.34 | Lemon_BE2 | yup its a non authoritive response |
| 11:54.36 | fredl | dutchfish, so I know there's nothing actually wrong with the logical volumes. I do see occasionally that one disk is not activated in the md device. |
| 11:54.52 | Lemon_BE2 | hmm the problem is that my nameserver isent loading the plesk zones then :s |
| 11:54.54 | seeS | i think i might delegate, or rather forward to another nameserver |
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| 11:55.07 | Lemon_BE2 | is there a way to let bind9 print out all the zones that it loaded in its configuration? |
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| 11:55.36 | seeS | ive not see it |
| 11:55.41 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, plesk has its own mind, it will rewrite all the stansas from its database in a timely fasion |
| 11:55.53 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, corretc its database |
| 11:55.57 | Lemon_BE2 | plesk wrote the zone files |
| 11:56.03 | Lemon_BE2 | but bind9 doesnt load those |
| 11:56.18 | Lemon_BE2 | plesk writes them in /var/named/run-root/var |
| 11:56.20 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, it does, but only in 15 min intervals ;) |
| 11:56.39 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, but this is all offtopic in here |
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| 11:57.06 | dutchfish | fredl, also check that portmapper does its job |
| 11:57.08 | Lemon_BE2 | aha there is a #bind channel |
| 11:57.12 | Lemon_BE2 | should tried that before asking |
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| 11:57.59 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, its prolly not a bind issue |
| 11:58.17 | Lemon_BE2 | that is what i'm trying to find out |
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| 11:58.49 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, you might be better of consulting Plesk for that, i had my fair share of that already myself ;) |
| 11:59.06 | Lemon_BE2 | well i just want to know if bind loaded the zone files or not :s |
| 11:59.08 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, gl |
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| 11:59.24 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, as i tol dyou already it will in 15 min intervals |
| 11:59.37 | Lemon_BE2 | i made the zones coumple hours ago |
| 11:59.38 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, by plesk itself |
| 11:59.50 | Lemon_BE2 | well the zones are already made |
| 11:59.56 | Lemon_BE2 | they exist on the file system |
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| 12:00.23 | Lemon_BE2 | bind just doesnt use those zone files |
| 12:00.28 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, and you edited them in the interface, so in the pasm database? |
| 12:00.36 | Lemon_BE2 | i never edited them |
| 12:00.41 | Lemon_BE2 | plesk auto creates those |
| 12:00.47 | Lemon_BE2 | when i add a domain |
| 12:01.03 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, the bind will oad them or reload it |
| 12:01.11 | dutchfish | s/oad/load |
| 12:01.13 | Lemon_BE2 | yes but how do i check that |
| 12:01.18 | Lemon_BE2 | if it actually loaded those files |
| 12:01.21 | dutchfish | check what? |
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| 12:01.28 | Lemon_BE2 | check which zone files bind9 loads |
| 12:01.31 | Lemon_BE2 | when it reloads or starts up |
| 12:01.32 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, dig @localhost -t A foo |
| 12:02.31 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, or when you do it from the outside: dig @yourdnsserversip -t A yourdomaintocheck |
| 12:02.41 | Lemon_BE2 | yes i did that |
| 12:02.50 | Lemon_BE2 | and it gives my the IP from the old nameserver |
| 12:03.06 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, then bind didnt reload |
| 12:03.14 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, its that simple |
| 12:03.24 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, prolly a bug in Plesk |
| 12:03.36 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, is this a debian box? |
| 12:03.43 | Lemon_BE2 | yup |
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| 12:04.00 | Danielss89 | hi.. |
| 12:04.03 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, then do it manually like: /etc/init.d/named relaod or the like |
| 12:04.07 | Danielss89 | danielss89:/home/danielss89# ./socketpolicy.pl > /dev/null & |
| 12:04.07 | Danielss89 | danielss89:/home/danielss89# bash: ./socketpolicy.pl: Permission denied |
| 12:04.18 | Danielss89 | I am trying to run this script but i get permission denied.. |
| 12:04.19 | Danielss89 | i am root |
| 12:04.32 | Lemon_BE2 | there is no named in init.d |
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| 12:04.45 | Lemon_BE2 | there is a bind9 though |
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| 12:04.50 | fredl | dutchfish, ok... now booted the server from the HD, all it says 'Loading please wait...' and 'mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2)' |
| 12:05.00 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, error: its : /etc/init.d/bind9 reload |
| 12:05.13 | Lemon_BE2 | Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: 'reload' failed: failure |
| 12:05.13 | Lemon_BE2 | failed! |
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| 12:05.42 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, that means Plesk has prolly mocked up the zone stansas |
| 12:05.44 | Lemon_BE2 | time to start the "lets google that error to get to another error" |
| 12:05.53 | fredl | dutchfish, then it sits there waiting for a while, eventually comes up with 'Gave up waiting for rootdevice. Common problems:' etc. (checked the common problems, none applies) |
| 12:06.00 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, yup, better ask Plesk |
| 12:06.17 | fredl | and then I get a busybox initrd shell. |
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| 12:06.51 | fredl | dutchfish, in the initrd shell there's no fdisk ofcourse :) |
| 12:06.54 | dutchfish | fredl, hmm.. its either a hardware problem with one of the disks, or md |
| 12:06.55 | Lemon_BE2 | no way to see which zone file contains invalid format? |
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| 12:07.56 | fredl | nah it's not md, I've had to hard powerdown a few times and the md layer seems to not like that. It should't be an immediate problem if there's only one degraded disk. |
| 12:08.02 | dutchfish | Lemon_BE2, you could walk them manually, but even then |
| 12:08.11 | fredl | dutchfish, and not a hardware problem either, it boots fine from the rescue disk. |
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| 12:08.47 | dutchfish | fredl, is this software raid? |
| 12:08.54 | fredl | I'm going to kill the udevd and start it up with --debug |
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| 12:09.07 | fredl | yes linux software raid. |
| 12:09.20 | dutchfish | fredl, then my first bet its md |
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| 12:09.41 | fredl | no it's not md. It boots fine from the rescue disk! |
| 12:10.16 | fredl | it's something with Sid's udevd I'm almost certain. Do you know if udevd populates /dev/mapper/ as well? |
| 12:10.16 | dutchfish | fredl, and you check logs dmesg for portmapper errors? |
| 12:10.37 | fredl | portmapper? |
| 12:10.44 | fredl | looks confused. |
| 12:10.58 | fredl | what does portmapper have to do with this? |
| 12:11.46 | dutchfish | fredl, nfs, you are right, not portmapper |
| 12:13.15 | fredl | hmm this looks promising though, udevd --debug says several times 'specified group .... unknown' |
| 12:13.32 | fredl | that's odd... |
| 12:13.59 | fredl | grrr busybox doesn't even have decent stty settings, now I can't kill that *sigh* |
| 12:14.05 | dutchfish | fredl, is this lvm2? |
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| 12:14.22 | fredl | everything lvm these days is lvm2 yeah. |
| 12:14.35 | dutchfish | fredl, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
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| 12:15.43 | fredl | heh I know how LVM workds dutchfish :) |
| 12:16.07 | fredl | I'm nearly 100% sure now that there's something wrong with my udevd |
| 12:16.16 | dutchfish | fredl, ok, then you have enough now to figure it out |
| 12:16.31 | fredl | Ido |
| 12:16.33 | fredl | ? |
| 12:16.44 | fredl | LOL, I wish I could be that certain :) |
| 12:17.05 | dutchfish | fredl, well i dont suspect udev, if this box has worked before |
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| 12:17.33 | dutchfish | fredl, unless you have twiddled with the udev rules yourself |
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| 12:17.48 | dutchfish | fredl, that you should know |
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| 12:18.02 | fredl | I do. or why else would it say that it can't find several groups |
| 12:18.31 | dutchfish | fredl, groups, what groups? |
| 12:18.32 | fredl | rebooting again now coz that busybox in the installer is so fucked up |
| 12:18.40 | dutchfish | oh? |
| 12:18.45 | fredl | hmm this looks promising though, udevd --debug says several times 'specified group .... unknown' |
| 12:18.58 | fredl | hang on... |
| 12:19.02 | dutchfish | fredl, wait |
| 12:19.12 | fredl | yeah the stty settings in busybox are fubar. |
| 12:19.16 | dutchfish | fredl, you ar emessing with the conversion of grub legacy to grub2? |
| 12:19.28 | fredl | lemme fix that right away before I forget again... |
| 12:19.34 | dutchfish | fredl, grub2 doesnt pick up UUID by default |
| 12:19.58 | jelly | dutchfish: uh, yes it does? |
| 12:19.59 | dutchfish | fredl, at leats not in squeeze |
| 12:20.11 | dutchfish | fredl, i dont know about SID |
| 12:20.13 | jelly | that's EXACTLY what it did on my laptop |
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| 12:20.56 | Danielss89 | Hmm i am having trouble with a socket policy for a flash chat.. |
| 12:21.02 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.02 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.07 | fredl | shit there isn't even an /et/group in the initrd... |
| 12:21.22 | jelly | hates uuids and wouldn't have set up something like that manually |
| 12:21.31 | dutchfish | jelly, true |
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| 12:21.50 | fredl | jelly - is that in grub.conf? |
| 12:21.58 | jelly | /etc/default/grub |
| 12:22.02 | jelly | fredl: yes. |
| 12:22.10 | Danielss89 | i've found this script: http://pastebin.com/m40ffd1e7 <-- put it in my homedir and run it with /usr/bin/perl -T /home/danielss89/socketpolicy.pl > /dev/null <-- but it still doesnt allow me to connect with my flash chat.. |
| 12:22.34 | fredl | hmmm |
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| 12:22.57 | Danielss89 | 23395 pts/18 S 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -T /home/danielss89/socketpolicy.pl <-- so it is running.. |
| 12:23.07 | Danielss89 | how can i test if its actually doing its job? |
| 12:23.36 | fredl | 'k lemme have a look at that... |
| 12:24.16 | fredl | jelly - so that UUID in my case has to be the root logicalvolume's IDright? |
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| 12:26.04 | fredl | jelly - hmm... there is no /ec/default/grub in the initrd |
| 12:26.36 | fredl | jelly - I'm in the initrd busybox right now, everything I need to fix should be in there I'd assume, right? |
| 12:27.22 | jelly | nope |
| 12:27.39 | jelly | grub config isn't in the initrd |
| 12:28.01 | Titan8990 | plus hard to do much with a read-only filesystem |
| 12:28.03 | fredl | ok, then I'm clearly missing something here.... |
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| 12:29.27 | fredl | does grub, on booting, access /etc/default/grub? And if it does, how could it if /dev/mapper/omega-root does not exist yet? |
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| 12:30.15 | dutchfish | fredl, it looks like this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg701650.html |
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| 12:33.53 | dutchfish | fredl, mayb this one helps out (but make backup before) http://go4hofbauer.de/wiki/doku.php?id=linux:uuid |
| 12:34.00 | fredl | dutchfish, I have that error message mentioned in there, the biosdisk read error, but after I wait for a while I get the 'regular' GRUB screen and I can select which kernel to boot... |
| 12:34.02 | dutchfish | fredl, its german |
| 12:34.36 | dutchfish | fredl, my hunch is that grub2 conversion went not completely |
| 12:34.42 | dutchfish | fredl, not sure |
| 12:34.43 | fredl | it used to boot fine that way though.... |
| 12:34.51 | jelly | fredl: it doesn't. I mentioned /etc/default/grub becuase it has options for update-grub to make it automatically set up that UUID thing, or not |
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| 12:35.30 | dutchfish | fredl, do yo have ntfs partitions in there? |
| 12:35.35 | fredl | jelly - hmm, ok, it makes some sense... |
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| 12:36.13 | fredl | so somehow I need to get back into my regular filesystem again, I guess I'll flip in the rescue disk again. |
| 12:36.28 | fredl | dutchfish, no ntfs partition.. |
| 12:36.37 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 12:37.18 | fredl | I'll go boot from the rescue CD, check if anything happened to my groups file and modify the /etc/default/grub based on what jelly said. |
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| 12:37.30 | dutchfish | fredl, yes |
| 12:38.00 | fredl | it's all getting pretty Sid-like :P |
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| 12:38.49 | dutchfish | fredl, what i would like to know is why the conversion sometimes fails from legacy to grub2 on UUID |
| 12:39.12 | dutchfish | fredl, havent had the change to find out yet |
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| 12:39.34 | jelly | fredl: perhaps there is no need to modify it. |
| 12:39.53 | Flexy | I'm running an tiny embedded device, hacked to run debian mipsel. It's etch and I would like to upgrade it to current stable. Is it possible? Kernel is version 2.6.30.8, not really possible to upgrade that. |
| 12:40.14 | jelly | dutchfish: the conversion script is a hack, don't expect it to get everything right |
| 12:41.05 | Flexy | I remember faintly that I tried it earlier, but it failed cause the kernel was so old (2.4.something) at that time |
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| 12:41.12 | dutchfish | jelly, sure, but i have had one system that could be resurected by just running updategrub2 again AFTER a reboot in the old legacy |
| 12:41.14 | jelly | Flexy: that kernel version is sufficient for lenny, but apt, aptitude and dpkg like to eat lots of RAM during an upgrade. Do you have at least, say, 128MB? |
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| 12:42.21 | dutchfish | jelly, atm in squeeze the conversion throws in just a wrapper, so we have the change to at leats boot in th eold legacy |
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| 12:42.35 | fredl | jelly - that line is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg BTW (that search line) |
| 12:42.37 | dutchfish | jelly, since 1 week or so |
| 12:42.45 | hyperzid | What package name is phpsize and php-config in? |
| 12:42.49 | fredl | not /etc/default/grub... |
| 12:43.03 | dutchfish | jelly, just fyi |
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| 12:43.37 | jelly | dutchfish: grub2 overwrote my custom MBR; grub1 had previously been installed on a partition. Yes, it said it would do so, but still. Annoying. |
| 12:44.05 | dutchfish | jelly, yep, agreed |
| 12:44.39 | Flexy | jelly: not really. I have 32MB. But swap is not problem, there is enough of that... |
| 12:45.06 | jelly | fredl: I know. The setting in /e/d/grub changes what a run of update-grub does to grub.conf (whether it sets up root=UUID=... or leaves setting up correct root= to yourself) |
| 12:45.10 | fredl | the whole grub2 experience seems to be quite a PITA anyway. |
| 12:45.18 | fredl | *nod* |
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| 12:45.42 | Flexy | jelly: 32MB, 264MHz. Upgrade takes what? 24h? |
| 12:45.48 | jelly | fredl: it'll get better in a year or three. |
| 12:45.52 | fredl | yeah I got that part, in /etc/default/grub you can configure IF a UUID may be passed on the kernel cmdline |
| 12:45.54 | jelly | Flexy: I've no idea. :-) |
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| 12:46.33 | dutchfish | jelly, atm the conversion leaves the legacy and chainloads grub2 at will/or not |
| 12:46.46 | fredl | jelly - well... in the topic line on #grub they say clearly that grub-legacy is no longer supported by them. I think that's a bit premature seeing as to how many problems there still are with grub-pc |
| 12:46.50 | jelly | Flexy: I wonder if it would be possible to stick that disk into a PC and upgrade using qemu-system-mipsel or whatnot |
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| 12:47.27 | Flexy | jelly: IIRC, it was libc6 or udev that required kernel version that the box did not have at that time. So, there's no other stuff that would prevent upgrading it? |
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| 12:47.46 | Flexy | qemu-system-mipsel? I |
| 12:47.55 | Flexy | I've never heard of that |
| 12:48.01 | dutchfish | jelly, in squeeze that is |
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| 12:48.16 | jelly | Flexy: I mean, whatever the qemu binary is needed for mipsel. |
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| 12:48.37 | Flexy | qemu, is that some kind of virtual HW? |
| 12:48.46 | jelly | dutchfish: yes. It also overwrites MBR regardless of where grub-legacy was installed |
| 12:48.52 | jelly | Flexy: yes. |
| 12:48.54 | jelly | !qemu |
| 12:48.54 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. <KQEMU> accelerator is released under GPL. <PXE> boot roms (pxe-e1000.bin, pxe-ne2k_pci.bin, pxe-pcnet.bin, pxe-rtl8139.bin) are not supplied in Lenny's version (Debian bug #412010); acquire and place within /usr/share/qemu if desired. http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU http://kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 12:48.57 | dutchfish | jelly, yes |
| 12:49.19 | jelly | Flexy: it emulates a good number of Linux-capable hardware |
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| 12:49.52 | jelly | qemu: /usr/bin/qemu-system-mips |
| 12:49.52 | jelly | qemu: /usr/bin/qemu-system-mips64 |
| 12:49.52 | jelly | qemu: /usr/bin/qemu-system-mips64el |
| 12:49.53 | jelly | qemu: /usr/bin/qemu-system-mipsel |
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| 12:50.00 | Flexy | jelly: right, I have to check that out. Tried chroot, but that obviously does not work :) |
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| 12:50.44 | jelly | Flexy: you really want to ask in a mips-specific channel |
| 12:51.01 | Flexy | jelly: right |
| 12:51.02 | Flexy | thanks |
| 12:51.06 | bubuntu | hello, im trying to install debian in my acer aspire one D250 by usbstick, I tried netinst and CDiso copied into usb but no one detects either ethernet card or usbstick. So... any solution, could the problem be from my Bios system? |
| 12:51.12 | Lemon_BE2 | is it possible to export and import email messages on the server from server A to B? |
| 12:51.21 | Lemon_BE2 | if i use the same email server |
| 12:51.30 | Lemon_BE2 | email server software* |
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| 12:52.50 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: depends on the software. |
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| 12:54.16 | Lemon_BE2 | its imap |
| 12:54.22 | Lemon_BE2 | errr |
| 12:54.23 | Lemon_BE2 | exim |
| 12:54.37 | jelly | exim doesn't provide a mail store, Lemon_BE2. |
| 12:55.10 | Lemon_BE2 | i'm looking for a clean way to move mails from one to another server |
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| 12:55.14 | Lemon_BE2 | their accounts |
| 12:55.20 | Titan8990 | i have actually set up an alias that point to server 2, then you read from the user's mbox with the mail command and watch the magic happen\ |
| 12:55.28 | jelly | it's a mail transfer agent only. You'll need to consult the documentation for migration paths for your imap software. |
| 12:55.38 | Titan8990 | did it with sendmail... i could see it working for exim |
| 12:55.39 | Lemon_BE2 | ah ok |
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| 12:55.45 | Lemon_BE2 | i'll look into it |
| 12:56.01 | fredl | Hmm, verified if my /etc/group looks alright (the earlier error messages were quite normal I think since I tried to restart udevd from within the initrd shell and there's no /etc/group there) |
| 12:56.38 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: find out which pop3/imap software you have, and what style of mailboxes / users is configured. Then ask in the proper channel for that software. |
| 12:56.40 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Why don't you just copy the maildir / mbox directly? |
| 12:56.52 | Lemon_BE2 | that would work? |
| 12:57.15 | jelly | "depends on the software" |
| 12:57.24 | fredl | Also added the root=UUID= to /boot/grub/grub.cfg in the global search thingie, one kernel specific search thingie as well as to the kernel's cmd line... |
| 12:57.31 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: That would copy all mails from one location to another. If both boxes are setup identically I do not see a reason why it should behave differently |
| 12:57.37 | fredl | ran updae-grub... doesn't make any difference. |
| 12:57.50 | Danielss89 | i've found this script: http://pastebin.com/m40ffd1e7 <-- put it in my homedir and run it as root with /usr/bin/perl -wT /home/danielss89/socketpolicy.pl > /dev/null <-- but it still doesnt allow me to connect with my flash chat.. |
| 12:57.51 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: But i might have misunderstood what you want to achieve. |
| 12:57.55 | Lemon_BE2 | well server 1 uses DirectAdmin and 2 uses PLESK |
| 12:58.04 | Lemon_BE2 | no idea if those systems change mailbox parameters |
| 12:58.11 | fredl | fact remains that there's no /dev/mapper/omega-root at filesystem mount time. |
| 12:58.20 | Lemon_BE2 | well the problem is babilen, i'm going to change the nameserver for a domain |
| 12:58.23 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: you need to migrate the users, and migrate their data. Obviously migrating just the data isn't enough. |
| 12:58.24 | Lemon_BE2 | and so also the MX records |
| 12:58.35 | Lemon_BE2 | and in the transition period mails can enter the mailbox on both sides |
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| 12:58.58 | Lemon_BE2 | yeah i already setup the mailboxes on the new server |
| 12:59.04 | Lemon_BE2 | so no mails are lost |
| 12:59.10 | Lemon_BE2 | if they go to the new server |
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| 12:59.17 | jelly | is DirectAdmin in Debian? |
| 12:59.22 | Lemon_BE2 | nope |
| 12:59.26 | Lemon_BE2 | centos |
| 12:59.31 | jelly | you're asking in the wrong place, then |
| 12:59.52 | Lemon_BE2 | well the "import" side of my import/export question is atleast in the semi correct place ;) |
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| 13:00.10 | fredl | semi correct place? |
| 13:00.15 | jelly | not really, plesk definitely isn't in Debian, either |
| 13:00.35 | Lemon_BE2 | no the question was about a mail server running on debian |
| 13:00.44 | Lemon_BE2 | but #debian is so full of smart people |
| 13:00.53 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: basically: (i) migrate users (ii) migrate data (iii) switch server ... |
| 13:01.02 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: that help with debian-related stuffs. |
| 13:01.20 | fredl | yes smart enough to realize that you can't seem to get support on #centos... |
| 13:01.29 | Lemon_BE2 | huh |
| 13:01.35 | Lemon_BE2 | i never asked a centos question |
| 13:01.57 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: you asked a DirectAdmin -> plesk migration question. |
| 13:02.06 | Lemon_BE2 | no |
| 13:02.09 | Lemon_BE2 | i asked email migration |
| 13:02.27 | Lemon_BE2 | then you guys said it depends on the system |
| 13:02.32 | Lemon_BE2 | so i said plesk & direct admin |
| 13:02.41 | Lemon_BE2 | usualy by then someone suggest to go to #plesk |
| 13:02.59 | Lemon_BE2 | but really sometimes some people get really defensive about those offtopic stuff |
| 13:03.03 | Lemon_BE2 | and then this discussion happens |
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| 13:03.35 | jelly | yes. Personally, you'll get free help from me if you're using Debian. If not, nominal rates apply. :-D |
| 13:03.38 | fredl | Lemon_BE2, people don't get defensive but there's plenty of people with Debian questions and only so few people trying hard to help them. |
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| 13:04.21 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Relax :-) You have two servers running Debian (foo and bar) you have user accounts, mails and MUA on foo and would like to migrate all that to bar. Is that correct? |
| 13:04.37 | Lemon_BE2 | yes |
| 13:04.38 | fredl | Lemon_BE2, too many Debian derrivatives let Debian handle their support issues while all they care about themselves is to push their on distro. |
| 13:04.48 | fredl | on = own |
| 13:04.59 | Lemon_BE2 | centos is based on debian? |
| 13:05.07 | fredl | no on redhat. |
| 13:05.19 | Lemon_BE2 | in my defense, i love debian |
| 13:05.20 | Lemon_BE2 | ;) |
| 13:05.23 | Lemon_BE2 | so stop hating me :( |
| 13:05.31 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: now, if you treat the two systems as black boxes, you can use a generic tool like imapsync. If you know the internals for both mail stores, you might be able to copy the files directly and apply chown/chmod/whatever changes needed for them to work on the destination. |
| 13:05.41 | fredl | I dont hate you. I don't know you. |
| 13:05.46 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: And you want to change the MX record, so that it points to bar instead of foo? What you care about is that no mails go missing during the switch? |
| 13:05.56 | jelly | Lemon_BE2: noone hates you, but don't ask offtopic questions here. |
| 13:05.59 | Lemon_BE2 | well its not the MX record that will change |
| 13:06.05 | Lemon_BE2 | its the nameserver record |
| 13:06.30 | Lemon_BE2 | i dont know exacly how mail exchange works internally but i guess alot of servers cache dns records |
| 13:06.32 | fredl | Lemon_BE2, never mind me anyway, I'm just cranky coz my Sid server that took me quite a while to set up properly won't fucking boot. |
| 13:06.48 | Lemon_BE2 | so in the transition fase some mails will be delivered to the old MX record's IP |
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| 13:07.03 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: I guess you can handle the server setup and the migration of data and users? |
| 13:07.17 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Yes, that is exactly the problem you might face. |
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| 13:07.35 | Lemon_BE2 | well everything is ready setup atm |
| 13:07.41 | Lemon_BE2 | just need to make the switch and change the nameservers |
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| 13:07.49 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: You can easily solve it by setting up an appropriate alias for the user accounts. One that points from foo to bar. |
| 13:07.53 | fredl | ok, what, ultimately, creates the lvm2 devices nodes in /dev/mapper? |
| 13:08.01 | bigmack83 | when installing package 'libapache-dbi-perl' on my server im getting the error output here. http://pastebin.com/d4ca378ab |
| 13:08.10 | fredl | it's udevd that does that, correct? |
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| 13:08.24 | bubuntu | any idea, im trying to install debian in my acer aspire one D250 by usbstick, I tried netinst and CDiso copied into usb but no one detects either ethernet card or usbstick. So... any solution, could the problem be from my Bios system |
| 13:08.35 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: There might be a better way to solve it, but I am not a mail admin. Ask in #exim / #postfix / #whatever how you can elegantly handle that situation |
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| 13:08.47 | Lemon_BE2 | ok i will |
| 13:08.53 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Good luck |
| 13:09.03 | Lemon_BE2 | do you know a general server management channel? |
| 13:09.19 | babilen | no |
| 13:09.28 | Lemon_BE2 | for example #programming is more a general channel than #asp and #php |
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| 13:10.50 | abrotman | Lemon_BE2: ##linux or ##windows ? |
| 13:11.11 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Which MTA are you running? Why not ask there? |
| 13:11.24 | Lemon_BE2 | what is a MTA? |
| 13:11.31 | MrDudle | night |
| 13:11.34 | babilen | Lemon_BE2: Mail Transfer Agent |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | !tell Lemon_BE2 about mta |
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| 13:15.28 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 13:15.28 | dpkg | courier has shitty documentation! |
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | not exactly a great MTA either .. |
| 13:16.28 | Titan8990 | i have never heard of anyone using it as a mta... just the pop/imap |
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| 13:19.05 | fredl | too... |
| 13:19.30 | fredl | jelly - I don't think I am having a grub issue BTW. |
| 13:20.02 | fredl | jelly - after all, I think my kernel boots already, it loads the initrd after all, right? |
| 13:20.48 | fredl | jelly - and the correct root fs gets passed to the kernel, the problem is just that for some reason the root filesystem is not there since the lvm volumes are not there. |
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| 13:23.15 | fredl | considers just building a kernel with mdraid and lvm compiled in it and screw the initrd. |
| 13:24.11 | jelly | fredl: if that's the correct root fs, then yes |
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| 13:25.14 | Titan8990 | i think if / is on the lvm the initrd is required? |
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| 13:26.11 | fredl | dunno for sure, I have some black holes where it involved initrd. |
| 13:26.31 | McL0VIN | what is a current strong no vurnable kernel ? i am at 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 |
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| 13:27.44 | fredl | where *exactly* are the /dev/mapper devices created? |
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| 13:28.03 | cusco | hi |
| 13:28.14 | fredl | can anybody confirm fore sure that it's udevd that does that? |
| 13:28.19 | cusco | "server" is hanging on "BEGIN: mounting root filesystem" |
| 13:28.34 | cusco | what should I do? |
| 13:28.39 | fredl | cusco - hmm, Sid? |
| 13:28.41 | cusco | it seems to detect hd all good |
| 13:28.42 | cusco | no |
| 13:28.44 | cusco | stable fredl |
| 13:29.03 | cusco | it loads grub. |
| 13:29.04 | fredl | grub-pc or grub-legacy? |
| 13:29.26 | cusco | grub2 |
| 13:29.35 | cusco | actually it says "Wating for root filesystem"# |
| 13:29.57 | fredl | did this start after you upgrade to grub2? |
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| 13:30.28 | cusco | fredl: yes, I installed grub2 with netinstall.. |
| 13:30.42 | cusco | now it says can't find hda1 and drops to busybox (initramfs) |
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| 13:31.56 | fredl | cusco - you might want to try 'blkid', write down the root filesystem's UUID, boot from a rescue CD and edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg, add root=UUID=..... (the ID you just wrote down) to the kernel cmdline, run update-grub |
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| 13:36.23 | cusco | fredl: why? why read UID when it can look for partitions? |
| 13:36.23 | cusco | I haven't change the partition at all |
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| 13:37.08 | cusco | now Im trying to get a ps2 keyboard, usb doens't seem to work on initramfs... and can't find no option in bios about enabling usb. does initram fs has fsck? |
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| 13:37.54 | loloftherings | hi all, how's ati drivers on debian? I'm thinking of making the switch/dual booting with arch.. |
| 13:38.22 | Danielss89 | i've found this script: http://pastebin.com/m40ffd1e7 <-- put it in my homedir and run it as root with /usr/bin/perl -wT /home/danielss89/socketpolicy.pl > /dev/null <-- but it still doesnt allow me to connect with my flash chat.. |
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| 13:38.43 | fredl | cusco - grub-pc has issues it seems |
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| 13:41.52 | kr1s | Hi, i have some problems with aptitude upgrade and some latex packages. Can Someone help me plz. http://paste.debian.net/49249/ |
| 13:42.16 | kr1s | Debian etch |
| 13:42.33 | cusco | ok I will leave this issue for now, got something else to put my hands on. thanks fre |
| 13:42.36 | cusco | ok I will leave this issue for now, got something else to put my hands on. thanks fredl |
| 13:42.40 | cusco | cd .. |
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| 13:47.46 | Elirips | Hello. How can I change the "language" of a Terminal session to english (or default)? I'm trying to compile a program, and I think with the english error-messages from gcc I would get much more google-results than with the german ones.. |
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| 13:50.35 | bookmark | hiya |
| 13:50.52 | bookmark | is it better to be using debian for make install to work on a kernel compile? |
| 13:51.01 | Hideo | Elirips: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 gcc blah.c -o blah |
| 13:51.06 | bookmark | is it better to be using debian for make install to work on a kernel compile? |
| 13:51.17 | bookmark | er.... lilo i mean |
| 13:51.18 | rvsjoen | bookmark: what ? |
| 13:51.25 | Hideo | Elirips: or LANG=C |
| 13:51.27 | bookmark | is it better to be using lilo for make install to work on a kernel compile? |
| 13:51.31 | Elirips | Hideo: thanks |
| 13:51.31 | bookmark | lol i just woke up sorry |
| 13:51.49 | fredl | can anybody confirm fore sure that it's udevd that does that? |
| 13:51.51 | bookmark | i compiled but i can't get my kernel to install |
| 13:51.54 | Elirips | Hideo: I guess I can also do an export LANG=C to have it for the "whole" terminal session, instead of doing it before each command? |
| 13:51.54 | fredl | oops |
| 13:52.07 | Hideo | Elirips: yeah |
| 13:52.10 | fredl | does anybody know what creates the /dev/mapper/ devices? can anybody confirm that it's the udevd in the initrd that does that? |
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| 13:53.03 | Elirips | Hideo: great, thanks. The translations are sometimes somewhat "strange" :P |
| 13:53.21 | rvsjoen | bookmark: any reason you are not compiling the debian-way (using kernel-package) ? |
| 13:53.27 | Hideo | Elirips: I wouldn't know =P |
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| 13:54.12 | bookmark | i did apt-get install kernel source if thats what you mean |
| 13:55.57 | rvsjoen | bookmark: no i mean using 'make-kpkg' to compile the kernel and make a .deb file which you can install using dpkg. |
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| 13:57.09 | bookmark | i've no idea how to do that probably is one reason, and another is probably that i'm already done is there some way i can just use it? |
| 13:57.12 | bookmark | : D |
| 13:57.43 | Hideo | !make-kpkg |
| 13:57.44 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 13:57.44 | z0rc[w0rk] | gives Hideo a vampire. They really suck, a small yacht and a match - what can you make of them? |
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| 13:57.57 | fredl | does anybody know what creates the /dev/mapper/ devices? can anybody confirm that it's the udevd in the initrd that does that? |
| 13:57.59 | bookmark | my nvidia driver won't compile because it says i have rivafb support in my kernel and its in conflict ; p |
| 13:58.26 | Titan8990 | fredl, i have used lvm without and initrd, so doesn't sound right to me |
| 13:58.36 | Titan8990 | fredl, never on / or boot however |
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| 13:59.13 | fredl | is at a loss. |
| 13:59.16 | Titan8990 | fredl, i know that /dev/mapper can be manually populated with pvscan and vgscan |
| 13:59.34 | rvsjoen | also you can use module-assistant to compile and install the nvidia driver |
| 13:59.40 | Titan8990 | fredl, which i always had to do for maint via a gentoo livecd |
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| 14:00.29 | fredl | Titan8990, hmm, that may be worth a try. You mean that it's not udevd that will try to 'discover' the LVM devices but they should already be there somehow? |
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| 14:01.07 | bookmark | hey is anyone there? |
| 14:01.07 | Titan8990 | fredl, i am saying that idk but offering info on my experiences |
| 14:01.07 | bookmark | hehe |
| 14:01.23 | bookmark | rvsjoen: hey |
| 14:01.39 | fredl | Titan8990, it's kinda strange though, when I boot from the rescue CD and do a root shell in the rescue device, the /dev/mapper/ entries *do* exist. |
| 14:01.54 | rvsjoen | im still here |
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| 14:02.08 | rvsjoen | is the rivafb module loaded ? |
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| 14:02.15 | bookmark | rvsjoen: I have one quick question, it appears that my nvidia driver want some stuff my my compile, like... what i dunno, they were looking in the /usr/src/linux/includes/linux/version.h or something |
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| 14:02.35 | bookmark | if i just do make-kpkg will it make what they need? |
| 14:02.58 | rvsjoen | all you want is to install the nvidia driver, right ? there's no other reason you are compiling a kernel |
| 14:02.59 | Titan8990 | fredl, well, in gentoo you have to manually modprobe dm-mod and then run vgscan before the volumes are ready for use |
| 14:03.15 | bookmark | well i tried installing the package, that didn't work |
| 14:04.10 | rvsjoen | what didn't work, loading the module or installing it ? |
| 14:04.15 | fredl | Titan8990, well lemme give those a try, curious to see if any dm-mod is already loaded on my system, maybe I can somehow recreate those devices. |
| 14:05.10 | Titan8990 | fredl, i have a feeling that dm-mod is what the initrd may be lacking |
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| 14:05.27 | bookmark | i guess maybe its just not supported in linux, but its on their supported list: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html |
| 14:05.30 | bookmark | go6150 |
| 14:05.31 | Titan8990 | fredl, if you roll no initrd, just remember to compile lvm2 support in to the kernel (not a module) |
| 14:06.01 | rvsjoen | bookmark: so what errors are you getting ? 'not working' is very vague |
| 14:06.03 | bookmark | rvsjoen: well i tried insmod nvidia.o or whatever it was called form its cwd |
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| 14:06.52 | rvsjoen | bookmark: you should use modprobe instead of insmod, as modprobe also handles dependencies |
| 14:07.21 | fredl | Titan8990, alas, the dm-mod is loaded.... |
| 14:07.26 | bookmark | do i do make-kpkg oldconfig? |
| 14:07.37 | bookmark | oh alright |
| 14:07.53 | fredl | Titan8990, I just remembered something else though, for 2.6.32-rc3 I've had to tweak some initrd config files I believe.... |
| 14:07.57 | Titan8990 | fredl, in the busybox shell? |
| 14:08.26 | rvsjoen | bookmark: there's not reason the nvidia module installed through apt should not work with the debian standard kernel. I would rather forget about compiling a new kernel for now and try to figure out why it is not working |
| 14:08.48 | fredl | Titan8990, yeah in the busybx shell I have dm-mod already loaded (there's no lsmod so I just grepped dm-mod in /proc/modules and it's there) |
| 14:09.53 | fredl | Titan8990, alas, in the busybx shell I don't have lvscan/pvscan as those are on the lvm's that I cannot mount yet because the device nodes are not there :) |
| 14:10.00 | bookmark | -rw-r--r-- 1 7.5M 19:17 03-27-2009 nvidia.ko |
| 14:10.00 | bookmark | debian:/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nvidia# modprobe nvidia.ko |
| 14:10.01 | bookmark | FATAL: Module nvidia.ko not found. |
| 14:10.12 | rvsjoen | bookmark: 'modprobe nvidia' |
| 14:10.26 | bookmark | ok all looks well |
| 14:10.32 | bookmark | i put in /etc/modules? |
| 14:10.45 | bookmark | or xorg.conf somehow? |
| 14:10.45 | rvsjoen | it worked ? |
| 14:10.53 | bookmark | it returned to the next line |
| 14:10.59 | bookmark | after a slight pause |
| 14:11.03 | fredl | Titan8990, on the top of my head, when you reinstall a kernel image, that does not *include* an initrd but instead the initrd gets created before running update-grub, correct? |
| 14:11.04 | rvsjoen | bookmark: do 'lsmod' and check that its loaded |
| 14:11.27 | bookmark | debian:/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nvidia# lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 14:11.27 | bookmark | nvidia 7086148 0 |
| 14:11.27 | bookmark | agpgart 28776 1 nvidia |
| 14:11.35 | rvsjoen | bookmark: so it works then |
| 14:11.36 | bookmark | is that it? |
| 14:11.46 | bookmark | wee, so i have not direct glx now? |
| 14:11.53 | bookmark | glxinfo |
| 14:12.09 | rvsjoen | you still need to configure xorg to use the nvidia driver I believe |
| 14:12.23 | bookmark | glxgears wont run :(, it was using mesa indirect before |
| 14:12.55 | bookmark | my xorg.conf is 0 |
| 14:12.57 | bookmark | empty |
| 14:13.10 | bookmark | maybe i just restart x? |
| 14:13.24 | rvsjoen | try installing and running nvidia-settings |
| 14:13.42 | rvsjoen | its been a while since I set up xorg.. :/ |
| 14:13.52 | bookmark | sweet! |
| 14:14.14 | bookmark | i got nvidia module installed! ok now nvidia-settings installed, .. |
| 14:14.14 | rvsjoen | and you probably have to restart X, yes |
| 14:14.22 | bookmark | now? |
| 14:14.46 | rvsjoen | restart X and run nvidia-settings |
| 14:15.07 | Titan8990 | fredl, for debian kernel installation im pretty sure the postinst script of the kernel generates the initrd |
| 14:15.22 | Titan8990 | fredl, in the case of custom kernels, i have never used an initrd |
| 14:15.30 | bookmark | bash: nvidia-settings: command not found |
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| 14:16.17 | bookmark | i love you #debian |
| 14:16.21 | rvsjoen | you said you installed it |
| 14:16.26 | fredl | Titan8990, I'm wondering if some initrd config changes I had to make for 2.6.32-rc3 made my initrd generation be borked for other kernels. |
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| 14:16.43 | bookmark | nvidia-settings is already the newest version. |
| 14:16.49 | rvsjoen | bookmark: it should be in /usr/bin |
| 14:17.09 | Titan8990 | fredl, possible |
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| 14:17.53 | bookmark | You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver, Please edit your X configureation file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root ) and rewstart X, so i'm doing that |
| 14:17.56 | bookmark | brb |
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| 14:18.44 | bododo | hi folks! |
| 14:19.20 | bododo | I don't know what I exactly did but I don't have sound on my Lenny anymore :( |
| 14:19.20 | bookmark | wassah,!!! logo |
| 14:19.29 | bookmark | does the logo dance |
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| 14:19.40 | rvsjoen | try glxgears then |
| 14:19.46 | bookmark | thanks rvsjoen |
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| 14:20.02 | bookmark | 1500 fps |
| 14:20.03 | bookmark | lol |
| 14:20.07 | bookmark | wtf |
| 14:20.12 | bookmark | 1500fps good god |
| 14:20.21 | bookmark | i was getting like 100 before |
| 14:20.25 | bododo | I think it was dpkg-reconsigure alsa-base but I'm not sure |
| 14:20.27 | rvsjoen | its definately working in hardware |
| 14:20.36 | bookmark | pfft yeah |
| 14:20.41 | bododo | now mplayer doesn't work, actually it displays errors but there's no sound |
| 14:20.44 | bookmark | kisses you |
| 14:20.51 | adige | i m trying to install firebird on debian, it needs libstdc++.so.5, in firebird doc it says install compat-glibc package but i cant find it in repo, where can i find libstdc? |
| 14:21.19 | adige | btw, i m tryin to build from source |
| 14:21.45 | themill | judd versions firebird |
| 14:21.45 | judd | themill: firebird -- |
| 14:21.49 | rvsjoen | libstdc++5 package ? |
| 14:22.02 | MisterN | adige: why should a source package need libstdc++5? |
| 14:22.05 | themill | judd versions firebird2.1-common |
| 14:22.06 | judd | themill: firebird2.1-common -- squeeze: 2.1.3.18185-0.ds1-1 sid: 2.1.3.18185-0.ds1-2 |
| 14:22.11 | MisterN | isn't that terribly outdated? |
| 14:22.18 | adige | firebird super server 2.1.3 |
| 14:22.21 | rvsjoen | terribly |
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| 14:23.07 | adige | yeap it is an old so file, firebird needs at installation |
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| 14:23.29 | DeeTah | echo -e 'Package: kate\nPin: release a=lenny\nPin-Priority: 999' > /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:23.32 | DeeTah | why doesn't it work? |
| 14:23.43 | DeeTah | it tries to pull kate from sid anyway. |
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| 14:24.14 | themill | DeeTah: don't mix lenny and sid. |
| 14:24.19 | bododo | Ah! It was actually alsaconf! I run it to make the microphone work and then I lost even the speaker |
| 14:24.28 | bookmark | sid is a peeping tom |
| 14:24.28 | bododo | anyone have a clue please? |
| 14:24.36 | DeeTah | themill: sid is on the higher priority. I just added the repo to pull kate from kde3.5 |
| 14:24.41 | bododo | I'm using Lenny with an iBook G4 ppc |
| 14:24.45 | DeeTah | themill: is it still insecure? |
| 14:24.47 | acidtripper | hi |
| 14:24.55 | themill | DeeTah: it's madness. |
| 14:24.57 | acidtripper | someone know howto change kdm resolution? |
| 14:25.08 | DeeTah | themill: so what's the other way to simply install kde3.5? |
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| 14:25.50 | bookmark | anyone know how to switch around mouse buttons? |
| 14:25.53 | DeeTah | themill: or rather kate3.5* |
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| 14:26.18 | themill | DeeTah: squeeze and sid come with kde4 and all associated software. I can't see mixing lenny and sid working out well for this. |
| 14:26.34 | DeeTah | themill: I just want kate3.5. |
| 14:26.34 | bookmark | hmm i wonder should i install compviz now, that i have nvidia working |
| 14:26.49 | bookmark | just to see it once :) |
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| 14:27.20 | bookmark | is there a package for that? |
| 14:27.49 | EagleScreen | what is the name for glibc in Debian/Ubuntu?? |
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| 14:28.27 | jorik | met 30 parkeerplaatsen en minstens 40 auto's elke avond |
| 14:28.33 | jorik | *oops* |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | DeeTah: it's not a good idea .. everyone that i've seen try has ended up just going with kde4 |
| 14:29.02 | rvsjoen | EagleScreen: libc6 ? |
| 14:29.17 | DeeTah | abrotman: just a single package from kde3.5? just one? :P |
| 14:29.30 | bookmark | what is the equiv of multiverse? non-free? |
| 14:29.31 | DeeTah | abrotman: i'm not using kde4, I just want the old text editor I took to. |
| 14:29.32 | abrotman | DeeTah: probably won't run correctly .. ahve fun |
| 14:29.49 | DeeTah | abrotman: I'd just like it to install. that's the problem. I don't know how to force apt to pull it from a=lenny. |
| 14:29.57 | jorik | EagleScreen: you can use "apt-cache search" for such things |
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| 14:30.07 | DeeTah | abrotman: echo -e 'Package: kate\nPin: release a=lenny\nPin-Priority: 1001' > /etc/apt/preferences #doesn't work |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | bookmark: to get what software? |
| 14:30.24 | abrotman | DeeTah: did you remember to aptitude update after you were done ? |
| 14:30.45 | DeeTah | abrotman: so it's needed to update apt's preferences? didn't know. I just made the file. |
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| 14:31.19 | abrotman | !tell DeeTah about pinning |
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| 14:33.21 | DeeTah | abrotman: it still doesn't really work. |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | DeeTah: apt-cache policy kate |
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| 14:34.01 | bookmark | abrotman, i wanted to see what was needed to install compviz |
| 14:34.07 | bookmark | i just got nvidia running |
| 14:34.11 | bookmark | is compviz non-free? |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | no |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | did you try to install it? |
| 14:34.25 | DeeTah | abrotman: it didn't find the pinning method. |
| 14:34.34 | bookmark | apt-cache search compviz ....zilch |
| 14:34.55 | bookmark | compiz |
| 14:34.59 | bookmark | oh im spelling it wrong |
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| 14:35.58 | DeeTah | abrotman: why may it be that it can't find the pinning method? |
| 14:36.09 | bookmark | apt-get install compiz |
| 14:36.10 | abrotman | DeeTah: you didn't paste anything .. i have no idea .. |
| 14:36.13 | bookmark | whoops haha |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | bookmark: please use aptitude |
| 14:36.33 | bookmark | ; p |
| 14:36.34 | themill | DeeTah: try s/lenny/stable/ on your pin |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | bookmark: no, seriously .. use aptitude |
| 14:36.59 | bookmark | abrotman: no seriously ; p |
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| 14:37.18 | bookmark | : ) |
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| 14:37.23 | abrotman | bookmark: aptitude is recommended for package installation .. |
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| 14:37.33 | bookmark | i don't like mice |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | it does'nt need a mouse |
| 14:37.55 | abrotman | aptitude install compiz .. use it .. |
| 14:37.58 | themill | dpkg: tell bookmark about why aptitude |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | this is NOT ubuntu |
| 14:38.07 | DeeTah | themill: thanks, it helped! |
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| 14:38.36 | themill | DeeTah: pinning never quite does what you expect.... now you just need to make sure that a pin like that doesn't give you a completely broken installation. |
| 14:39.39 | haytham-med | hi all, i want to setup the sysRq key to function properly |
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| 14:40.52 | rvsjoen | haytham-med: why |
| 14:41.11 | haytham-med | for the magic sysrq keys |
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| 14:45.16 | haytham-med | i typed this echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq |
| 14:45.23 | bookmark | sheet :/ no compiz |
| 14:45.26 | bookmark | oh well |
| 14:45.29 | haytham-med | but still no response |
| 14:46.24 | haytham-med | i guess i have to set the keymap for that key to function properly |
| 14:46.49 | haytham-med | <<<but dont know how to this |
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| 14:47.07 | bookmark | hehe i was thinking of synaptic |
| 14:47.08 | haytham-med | but dont know how to do this |
| 14:48.33 | bookmark | brownies with choc chips in them |
| 14:48.38 | hark | haytham-med: what keys are you pressing? |
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| 14:49.04 | haytham-med | alt+sysrq+key |
| 14:49.08 | hark | haytham-med: what does uname -r say? |
| 14:49.31 | haytham-med | 2.6.27-11-generic |
| 14:49.56 | hark | ah, i think you want #ubuntu then |
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| 14:52.13 | bookmark | cold front came through. i'm fin freezin |
| 14:52.19 | bookmark | puts on a wrap |
| 14:52.41 | g00se | I'm having problems connecting to squid. Is it a standard proxy, as opposed to socks? |
| 14:53.16 | petemc | g00se: depends how you set it up |
| 14:53.41 | g00se | petemc: By default? Someone else did it |
| 14:54.01 | petemc | g00se: most commonly, people redirect port 80 to squid running on 3128, usually transparently to the end user |
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| 14:55.47 | g00se | petemc: Ah. I was wondering why i saw so many running on 3128 |
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| 14:57.31 | zorg | does anyone have experience with lsi megaraid card on debian does it work |
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| 14:58.01 | abrotman | zorg: some of them do |
| 14:58.02 | smacnay | Is there a backup solution that works over smb connections as well? Bacula? |
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| 14:58.15 | abrotman | zorg: there are a few different megaraid drivers |
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| 15:00.08 | g00se | Could be that my isp is not filtering me out on ports, but on protocols |
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| 15:01.09 | Rienzilla | Hi. I'm trying to grab some packages from lenny-backports, by adding the repository to my sources.list and editing /etc/apt/preferences to http://pastebin.com/m117a7f71 . However, dovecot packages are still being picked from lenny, not lenny-backports. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:01.35 | zorg | ok to be precise I want to know for the MegaRAID® SAS 8888ELP with SAS1078 RAID on Chip (ROC) |
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| 15:04.49 | g00se | I'm connected to a couple of squids but then things just hang... |
| 15:05.09 | exn | hello everybody. does know anybody how to use netlink asynchronous for all packets which going via kernel ? I need example... |
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| 15:05.57 | mesaGL | Rienzilla: have you done aptitude update or apt-get update to make the changes "visible" ? |
| 15:06.24 | Rienzilla | yes |
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| 15:06.36 | Rienzilla | it seems that dovecot* doesnt work |
| 15:06.52 | Rienzilla | if I manually pin each dovecot-blah package it does |
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| 15:07.22 | jair | guys, I am looking a server debian lenny of a newbie guy, I am noticing that when I run the command "su -" I get this message after I type the password => No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
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| 15:08.20 | Titan8990 | jair, make sure homedir is correct in /etc/passwd |
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| 15:08.28 | jair | does this mean there is something changed on the "root" profile? |
| 15:08.32 | Titan8990 | jair, check for weird stuff in ~/bashrc |
| 15:08.38 | jair | ok let me check that Titan8990 |
| 15:08.41 | jair | ok |
| 15:09.09 | jelly | jair: the user you have just sued to has no valid HOME |
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| 15:10.48 | jair | jelly: the user is root |
| 15:10.48 | jair | su - |
| 15:10.48 | zorg | nonone know the compatibility for the MegaRAID® SAS 8888ELP with SAS1078 RAID |
| 15:10.48 | jair | it is switching to root? |
| 15:10.48 | jair | right super user |
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| 15:11.56 | jelly | jair: right, without a username, the default for su is "root' |
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| 15:12.41 | jelly | jair: so, getent users root, then check if root's home dir exists |
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| 15:14.04 | jelly | jair: it's implied that either someone removed /root directory, or someone changed root's HOME to something other than /root, and that directory doesn't exist (any more) |
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| 15:14.54 | jair | jelly: Damn stupid idiot!!!GGRRRRRRR I hate when people don't know what they are doing but still do it!!!! |
| 15:15.14 | jair | jelly: this is what I have to deal with everyday, this windows people man |
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| 15:15.59 | jelly | jair: don't give admin privileges to insufficiently educated personnel |
| 15:16.01 | jair | jelly: I mean if I don't know something I normally don't start playing around thinkering things, I go to google, IRC, friends, ask!!! but don't do anything until I am sure. |
| 15:16.21 | jair | jelly: That is exatcly what I will do :) |
| 15:16.35 | jair | I already gave them the time to be trusted and they failed |
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| 15:17.21 | jelly | there's a range of solutions - either take away their privileges, or educate them, or something in between |
| 15:17.27 | jair | jelly: I am sure that this is probably what happened. 1) he created a new user I can see it on the "/etc/passwd" and may did something with it that screw up the root's directory |
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| 15:17.45 | jelly | (something in between -- give them sudo for exact few commands they're allowed to run) |
| 15:17.57 | jair | jelly: for now I will take the priviledges out so they have to come to me for help until I can trust them again |
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| 15:18.14 | jair | jelly: it is not them it is just one monkey |
| 15:18.41 | jelly | well, since you have backups, you'll know when it was changed, and who changed it |
| 15:18.55 | jair | jelly: I appreciate you help and time. But honestly I do not know how to fix this so I will try to understand what happened. |
| 15:19.13 | jelly | jair: paste that getent passwd root |
| 15:19.21 | jair | ok |
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| 15:20.19 | eilgin | in GRUB docs, it says that to change the framebuffer to unknown vga standard, you have to pass the argument video to the kernel, but it doesn't work on my computer. It stays at the VGA format. Somebody see what happen ? |
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| 15:21.00 | jair | jelly: root:x:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/bash |
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| 15:21.39 | jelly | jair: does /home/root exist? |
| 15:21.46 | eilgin | no |
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| 15:21.58 | eilgin | u can create it, but it's none sense |
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| 15:22.12 | jelly | eilgin: you have access to jair's machine? |
| 15:22.58 | eilgin | i say "he can create it".. |
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| 15:23.50 | jelly | eilgin: it would be better to not answer questions you can't possibly know the answer to |
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| 15:27.21 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 15:27.40 | jair | jelly: sorry I was having a discussion with my manager about the F#$%^ screw up of the guy, it is nothing big deal but it is not important now :D |
| 15:28.33 | jair | jelly: so, the directory "root" does not exist :( |
| 15:28.35 | jamesbond-4711 | I'm trying to understand the apache2 configuration on debian lenny |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | jair: /home/root/ or /root/ ? |
| 15:28.56 | jelly | jair: do you mean "/home/root"? |
| 15:29.02 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: what about it ? |
| 15:29.10 | Titan8990 | jair, if you all were aware of his lack of experience and gave him root access anyways as the system's administrator, i wouldn't say that he is to blame |
| 15:29.18 | jelly | jair: you can't blame people if you haven't given them appropriate education |
| 15:29.34 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: the config for the default host contains the following line: |
| 15:29.36 | jamesbond-4711 | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
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| 15:30.04 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: does that mean that one is supposed to put CGI scripts into /usr/lib/cgi-bin/? |
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| 15:30.24 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: that's the system one .. you can create others if you like or move it somewhere else entirely |
| 15:30.32 | jair | jelly: I am not blaming anybody at this point |
| 15:30.51 | jair | jelly: I am blaming him for not contactting me and asking me if what he was doing was right |
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| 15:31.18 | jair | he is not a little kid of 5 years old fuck!!!!! come on guys. |
| 15:31.27 | jelly | !!!!! |
| 15:31.27 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 15:31.33 | jair | alright I will take all the blame |
| 15:31.42 | jair | but this will not happen again |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | cause next time it's your butt on the line ? |
| 15:31.57 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: am I right if I assume that the directory where .php files are placed should be outside the document root? |
| 15:32.16 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: hold on .. you're probably confusing thigns here |
| 15:32.31 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: you just want to run some PHP scripts? or are they actually CGI scripts? |
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| 15:32.41 | jelly | jair: just saying, adjust your procedures so it doesn't happen again ;-) |
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| 15:32.51 | abrotman | adjusts jelly |
| 15:33.08 | jair | jelly: thank you |
| 15:33.17 | jair | so |
| 15:33.27 | jair | I am a regular user now |
| 15:33.33 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: I have some Perl scripts and I also intend to install a php-based forum... |
| 15:34.01 | JoshH | php files should be inside your document root |
| 15:34.03 | jair | jelly: do I need to su or su - ? if I do su I do not get the message and I become root. If I do su - then I do. |
| 15:34.04 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: those are two different things .. for the latter you would want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:34.21 | jelly | jair: Debian's default home for root is "/root". You might want to change it back. Or not. |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: you can put the forum anywhere you like if you use a directory alias |
| 15:34.25 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: yeah, that's already installed |
| 15:34.34 | jamesbond-4711 | OK |
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| 15:34.51 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: and where to put my self-written Perl-CGI-Scripts? |
| 15:34.52 | jair | jelly: I want to put things back to the default |
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| 15:35.18 | jelly | jair: in any case, it's strongly suggested for root's home to be an existing directory. |
| 15:35.20 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: you can put them in the directory you mentioned above, or create another place to put them .. up to you |
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| 15:36.01 | jair | jelly: ok so what I will need to do? change => root:x:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/bash to root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
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| 15:36.51 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: what I do not really understand: why are php files put right somewhere inside the document root while perl scripts go into a completely separate directory? |
| 15:36.52 | jelly | jair: no. Change it using a command for that. |
| 15:37.14 | jelly | won't tell which one it is :-> |
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| 15:38.56 | jair | jelly: ohhh you know what jelly this IRC room and the users are getting very stupid. You know why I say that. Because I know I may need to change it using chageuser or edituser and you are making me scratch my head etc... So thanks but not I will not play that stupid game so get your answers and play that game with your little brother or cousing ok. |
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| 15:40.03 | jair | same with every other smart ass in this f$%^^ channel if you want to help people help, don't play with them. So if there is any newbie here, ask the questions and at least I will tell them exactly what I know without been an smart F#$%^ ass |
| 15:40.36 | adamos | take it easy dude |
| 15:40.40 | adamos | either way it will work |
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| 15:40.47 | jair | adamos: thank you |
| 15:40.54 | adamos | usermod -d /root root |
| 15:40.59 | adamos | or edit the etc/passwd |
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| 15:41.29 | jair | adamos: thank you very much. I really appreciate that and other newbies in the channel will as well. Thank you |
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| 15:42.15 | eilgin | :q |
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| 15:42.41 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to manage PERC raids on debian? |
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| 15:43.30 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: what I do not really understand: why are php files put right somewhere inside the document root while perl scripts go into a completely separate directory? - I mean both contain code that is executed on the server... |
| 15:43.33 | jelly | jair: thing is, you've been here for 6 months or more, I expect you to be able to find answers to some basic questions by yourself. |
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| 15:43.59 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: you can set it up so that the perl scripts can be executed from anywhere you like |
| 15:44.09 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 15:45.18 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: I guess that would require "Options +ExecCGI" for the document root directory. - But is it a good idea to do this considering security? |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: depends how you consider security :) |
| 15:46.06 | ranix | depends how many users have access to the document root |
| 15:46.21 | ranix | if only www-data does, it's no big deal |
| 15:46.25 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: well, I don't really have much experience configuring apache |
| 15:46.38 | ranix | you could also allowOverride and make a .htaccess |
| 15:46.51 | jamesbond-4711 | abrotman: my previous server ran Suse and there the whole setup was quite different |
| 15:46.52 | abrotman | jamesbond-4711: you'd probably do better to not allow CGI all over then |
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| 15:48.22 | ilj | hi guys |
| 15:48.29 | ilj | cron drives me crazy |
| 15:48.40 | ilj | it won't run the scripts I put in /etc/cron.daily |
| 15:48.53 | ilj | it does run the scripts if I use crontab -e |
| 15:49.08 | ilj | I just don't get why it won't run them if I put them into /etc |
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| 15:51.35 | module000 | ilj: are all the permissions corect? |
| 15:51.48 | module000 | ilj: you can see the actual cronjobs that execute the .daily .monthly etc...they are /etc/crontab |
| 15:52.22 | adamos | try chmod +x your script |
| 15:52.59 | ilj | module000, as for permissions: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 246 2009-09-29 20:16 /etc/cron.daily/chpa-dump.smf_chpa-daily |
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| 15:53.28 | ilj | module000, I even edited /etc/crontab to adjust time of execution of the script. Still no go :( |
| 15:53.36 | module000 | ilj: and you've got you're #!/bin/bash in your header? |
| 15:53.49 | ilj | root@c-h-p-a:~ % cat /etc/crontab |grep daily |
| 15:53.49 | ilj | 34 7 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
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| 15:54.04 | ilj | root@c-h-p-a:~ % head -1 /etc/cron.daily/chpa-dump.smf_chpa-daily |
| 15:54.04 | ilj | #!/bin/sh |
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| 15:54.11 | cusco | quick bash question: how do i do a if not equals' |
| 15:54.22 | cusco | if [var !="value" ) |
| 15:54.22 | cusco | ? |
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| 15:54.30 | cusco | if [var !="value" ] ? |
| 15:54.32 | cusco | or =! |
| 15:54.36 | cusco | or how? |
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| 15:55.28 | module000 | cusco: foo != bar (http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html#sect_07_01_01) |
| 15:55.47 | module000 | ilj: i'm not sure why then...those are all the bases..are you sure your' script isn't erroring out? |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | what's the regexp for "any character except _ or ^"? |
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| 15:57.14 | cusco | thanks module000 |
| 15:57.44 | module000 | jelly: it's [^abc] if you did not want a,b, or c |
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| 15:58.16 | jelly | module000: so for _ and ^, it would be, like, what? |
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| 15:58.53 | ilj | module000, cron succesffully executed it when I created a crontab entry for root user with the help of crontab -e command |
| 15:59.08 | module000 | something like m/.[^_\^]/ |
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| 15:59.30 | jelly | module000: you're ruining my regex joke! |
| 15:59.47 | NiLon | m/.[^_^]/ |
| 15:59.48 | jelly | <a> [^_^] <b> nice smiley, but can you answer my question? |
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| 15:59.58 | module000 | haha ;] |
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| 16:00.22 | module000 | lunchtime at last |
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| 16:02.02 | ilj | so any more ideas on cron flaking out on me? :( |
| 16:02.12 | Cerise | hi, i installed php5-curl but i can't use it |
| 16:02.23 | ilj | Cerise, why can't you use it? |
| 16:02.40 | Cerise | Fatal error: Call to undefined function curl_init() in ***** on line 11 |
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| 16:04.16 | jelly | Cerise: are you using php via mod_php? |
| 16:04.29 | jelly | Cerise: if so, restart apache |
| 16:04.40 | Cerise | [18:04:23] <jelly> Cerise: are you using php via mod_php? << guess so. |
| 16:04.50 | Cerise | but i just restarted apache, and i still get this msg |
| 16:04.58 | jelly | (after making sure the curl extension is enabled) |
| 16:05.02 | ilj | Cerise, have you ever upgraded your distro from sarge to etch? (look into this: http://drupal.org/node/135243 ) |
| 16:05.31 | Cerise | i'm running lenny :s |
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| 16:05.57 | Cerise | [18:05:06] <jelly> (after making sure the curl extension is enabled) << i tried to enable it in php.ini, but i don't know if i did rite :| |
| 16:06.23 | ilj | I'm gonna destroy cron one day. Its developers. And Debian too (consider it collateral damage!) |
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| 16:07.24 | jamesbond-4711 | one more (this one Perl-specific) question: one of my Perl scripts uses "use LWP::Simple;". What deian package do I have to install so that can be used? |
| 16:07.48 | jamesbond-4711 | s/deian/debian/ |
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| 16:07.50 | lrpcuba | hello everyone , im using here debian lenny and im having atrouble adding a new os to the grub loader , i have read from a manual that only adding the line root(hd0,0 ) makeactive chainloader + alkl is solve but is not working also the partitions are sda , and the other os are installed in /dev/sda3 any advise ? |
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| 16:11.04 | panfist | is anyone using chromium? |
| 16:11.15 | Titan8990 | chrome here |
| 16:11.28 | jamesbond-4711 | panfist: I tried it yesterday, but not on debian :) |
| 16:11.40 | jelly | Cerise: if it's apache, the correct php.ini would be somewhere like /etc/php/apache2/php.ini |
| 16:11.59 | Cerise | looks like i edited the right file :s |
| 16:12.10 | Cerise | i did "extension=curl" |
| 16:12.21 | jelly | jamesbond-4711: use apt-file to search for /LWP/Simple.pm |
| 16:12.54 | jelly | I _think_ it's libwww-perl, but... |
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| 16:13.09 | jelly | yes it is. libwww-perl: /usr/share/perl5/LWP/Simple.pm |
| 16:14.18 | jamesbond-4711 | jelly: I found it out myself: I needed to install libwww-perl for LWP::Simple |
| 16:14.21 | panfist | titan8990 what like chrome over wine? |
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| 16:14.49 | jamesbond-4711 | panfist: chromium works very well on archlinux :-) |
| 16:16.17 | Cerise | jelly: any suggestions? :| |
| 16:16.44 | panfist | what kinda distro is archlinux? it's more like a 'from scratch' distro than debian, right? |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | Cerise: "it should work' |
| 16:17.13 | jelly | panfist: it's one of those not-debian things |
| 16:17.15 | Titan8990 | panfist, no, there is chrome beta for debian based distros |
| 16:17.30 | themill | Cerise: Installing php5-curl should automatically enable the extension in mod_php, cgi and cli. |
| 16:17.33 | Titan8990 | panfist, arch is not really a "from scratch" distro, not any more than debian minimal installation is |
| 16:17.45 | Titan8990 | panfist, arch is a rolling release which what makes it unique |
| 16:17.50 | themill | Cerise: (at least, that's the case if you're using the default debian php configuration) |
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| 16:18.05 | Titan8990 | panfist, you get bleeding edge package at the expensive to stability and increased administration |
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| 16:19.28 | panfist | ahh |
| 16:19.42 | swayingshmoon | if stability is sacrificed, what's the difference between a bleeding edge package and a rootkit? |
| 16:19.59 | jhutchins_lt | swayingshmoon: Um, lots. |
| 16:20.08 | Cerise | wtf. |
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| 16:20.17 | Titan8990 | swayingshmoon, eh, is that a serous question? |
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| 16:20.39 | Cerise | synaptic says php5 isn't installed, but why did php work at all? |
| 16:21.10 | swayingshmoon | well, a compromised system is a compromised system, isn't it? whether that compromise comes from malicious behavior or incomplete adherence to normal system operation |
| 16:21.35 | hark | Cerise: php5 is just a metapackage |
| 16:21.52 | Cerise | oh lol |
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| 16:22.40 | Titan8990 | swayingshmoon, well... the difference would be if i go and install the svn trunk version of dbus, while likely it will break everything its not going to give some guy in china access to my machine |
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| 16:23.22 | hark | Cerise: aptitude search '~i~nphp5' |
| 16:23.53 | hark | is what you've got installed |
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| 16:24.11 | Cerise | outputs a few lines |
| 16:24.12 | swayingshmoon | Titan8990: so you would rather have a paperweight than a system with a few patchable holes? |
| 16:24.12 | Titan8990 | swayingshmoon, stability == secure, which is why we were having trouble grasping the concept of comapring the 2 |
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| 16:25.24 | swayingshmoon | pardon |
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| 16:25.51 | Titan8990 | swayingshmoon, a few patchable holes? i would no doubt reformat any system that got rooted |
| 16:26.03 | Cerise | "i A php5-common - Common files for packages built from the p" and "i php5-curl - CURL module for php5" |
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| 16:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | Stability is predictable behavior. It does make it easier to secure a system, but by the same reasoning it makes it easier to breach a system. |
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| 16:27.05 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, good short definition |
| 16:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | It's a common misconception that any programming error is a security threat. Just because a system crashes doesn't mean it's vulnerable to unaothorized control. |
| 16:27.34 | jhutchins_lt | If I can provoke the crash remotely, then I can deny service, which is a security problem. |
| 16:27.45 | swayingshmoon | paperweight makers |
| 16:28.05 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, but its not uncommon for vulnerabilities to be found, marked as non-critical and then later a method is found of executing malicious code using that vulnerability |
| 16:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | However, if for instance grub is not timing out to the default kernel at boot, I don't have a security problem (as long as the system is physically secure). |
| 16:28.27 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: It does happen, but it's not that common. |
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| 16:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | Last night my server started throwing IDE errors on hdb and effectively locked up. It has a single HD that it lists as sda. |
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| 16:29.24 | jhutchins_lt | This is a stability problem, but not a security risk. |
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| 16:29.43 | swayingshmoon | what kind of errors? |
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| 16:30.49 | rockthevote_ | How do I create a new network interface in Debian, the only interface that exists is "lo" but I would like to create "eth0" for my Ethernet and "wlan0" for my wireless USB adapter. |
| 16:31.08 | jhutchins_lt | failed opcode, timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 16:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | rockthevote_: If you load the correct kernel modules for the hardware, the system should create those devices for you. |
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| 16:32.34 | swayingshmoon | thank you |
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| 16:35.31 | jelly | rockthevote_: note that a device may not show up in ifconfig output before it's first configured. It will show up in "ip link" (package iproute needed). |
| 16:36.18 | rockthevote_ | jelly: I think I figured it out. I probably needed to install this "firmware-ralink" package for it to work. |
| 16:36.35 | jelly | rockthevote_: firmware for wireless, could be |
| 16:36.36 | Cerise | i just did dl("curl.so"); |
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| 16:36.42 | Cerise | Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Unable to load dynamic library './curl' - ./curl: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in ***** on line 2 |
| 16:36.46 | ranix | rockthevote_: stop sending me emails from heather smith |
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| 16:39.15 | p4tr0p1 | hi |
| 16:40.20 | jelly | why is my troll sense tingling |
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| 16:41.39 | ranix | jelly: sorry, I had beans for dinner last night |
| 16:41.44 | g00se | Can someone please remind me how to reveal the char code under the caret in vim? |
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| 16:43.05 | trmaise | why can I not fseek in procfs? Specifically, I can't seem to seek to SEEK_END at all. I always get 0 as the length of a file. |
| 16:44.32 | jelly | trmaise: fake files! |
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| 16:44.53 | jelly | trmaise: which one in particular are you looking at? |
| 16:45.25 | jamesbond-4711 | what's the command to list all the files that belong to a specific package? |
| 16:45.36 | azeem | jamesbond-4711: dpkg -L |
| 16:45.53 | jelly | trmaise: I bet you could seek over /proc/kcore ... but not much else |
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| 16:46.18 | McL0VIN | howdy folks |
| 16:46.57 | trmaise | jelly? |
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| 16:47.53 | trmaise | jelly: any file in procfs. Specifically /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/bus/pci/devices and /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 16:48.01 | jelly | trmaise: most of the stuff in /proc doesn't behave like proper files, because they aren't. |
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| 16:48.33 | jelly | trmaise: so read() them up until you get to EOF, and be happy :-| |
| 16:48.48 | ilj | I still can't get cron to do the job :( |
| 16:48.50 | jelly | er, fread. Whatever |
| 16:48.50 | trmaise | I am aware of that. However I fail to see how I cannot even obtain a length. The only problem I see is that I am using buffered reads. |
| 16:49.04 | ilj | I wonder if there is a cron specific channel |
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| 16:49.30 | jelly | trmaise: I guess kernel doesn't even try to emulate their length. |
| 16:49.39 | trmaise | I have not found any documentation telling me not to use fopen,fread, .. |
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| 16:50.03 | trmaise | I know SVR4 was limited to using read, but what the hell. |
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| 16:51.09 | SerajewelKS | is there any signal i can send ntpd to say "please try to sync now?" |
| 16:51.10 | trmaise | ideas? |
| 16:51.17 | p4tr0p1 | I have 2 USB disks at a debian Lenny that I've formatted as ext3 and copy many files into them. And now I've plugged the disks on my server Debian Etch and they have been found as SCSI disks but the system is unable to find the file-system. Anybody? |
| 16:51.25 | SerajewelKS | my clock is off by hours and i'd like to force a sync |
| 16:51.36 | trmaise | jelly ? |
| 16:52.25 | Meths | SerajewelKS: got ntpdate installed? |
| 16:52.30 | trmaise | I fail to see how I cannot even obtain a length. The only problem I see is that I am using buffered reads. |
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| 16:53.15 | SerajewelKS | Meths: no, i know about it but i figured ntpd might have a fancy way to request a sync |
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| 16:53.29 | Titan8990 | p4tr0p1, specify the filesytem? mount -t ext3 <device> <mount point> |
| 16:53.38 | Meths | SerajewelKS: Is this openntpd? |
| 16:53.38 | jelly | trmaise: I guess you can always ltrace or strace something that reads from /proc and see what they use |
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| 16:54.01 | SerajewelKS | Meths: i'm not sure to be honest. it's the ntp package. |
| 16:54.31 | factor | can someone test a book mark out for me.. I cant seem to book mark a .hu addy with icewez |
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| 16:54.46 | Meths | SerajewelKS: oh, think you just have to wait then, it should be syncing slowly |
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| 16:55.12 | SerajewelKS | yeah but it's off by four hours |
| 16:55.35 | SerajewelKS | also, in my daemon.log i see a bunch of lines "couldn't resolve `0.debian.pool.ntp.org', giving up on it" |
| 16:55.43 | SerajewelKS | does this mean it will never sync or will it try to resolve later? |
| 16:55.47 | Meths | SerajewelKS: well use date to set the time then |
| 16:55.49 | SerajewelKS | it's a laptop without full connectivity |
| 16:55.56 | somiaj | Meths: I just use ntpdate myself and then set up a daily cron job to sync my clock, though if you set up your openntpd correctly it should achive the same thing. (haven't used it though) |
| 16:56.10 | Meths | SerajewelKS: or set it in the bios on next boot |
| 16:56.17 | somiaj | Meths: if you would prefer to use openntpd, maybe check /usr/share/doc/openntpd and see if there is any doc on how to get it to keep your clock in sync. |
| 16:56.22 | SerajewelKS | it seems rather odd that ntpd would assume that i'm always connected... should it not try to resolve periodically? |
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| 16:56.28 | factor | ok I must already have it in my list or it placed it up in the list higher |
| 16:56.35 | Meths | somiaj: please read the conversation, I don't need help |
| 16:56.59 | somiaj | Meths: sorry |
| 16:57.55 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: you could modify how you connect to the internet and use a script that updates your clock everytime you connect. |
| 16:58.46 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i wonder if networkmanager could be configured to restart ntp whenever i connect to a network |
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| 16:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, I don't think ntpd handles really big time differences too well... |
| 16:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntpdate is obsolete, though? |
| 16:59.47 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't. but it also apparently doesn't handle not having a 'net connection when it starts up too well either |
| 16:59.55 | h725 | how comes that udev ignores my rules, but udevadm test (which should not perform any actions) shows the rules correct AND executes the rules? |
| 16:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntpdate |
| 16:59.59 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 17:00.01 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: ntpdate is not obsolete in that nothing else does what it does |
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| 17:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, you wouldn't want to say dpkg is WRONG, would you? |
| 17:00.39 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: not necessarily wrong, but highly opinionated :) |
| 17:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why not ntpdate |
| 17:01.16 | dpkg | Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched. Rationale at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
| 17:01.21 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: ntpd is not very well suited for computers that are not connected 24/7 |
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| 17:01.32 | McL0VIN | how do i start vnc server in Debian Lenny |
| 17:02.00 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: at least, the default debian configuration for ntpd is completely braindead when it comes to mobile devices |
| 17:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, I don't think so - when you |
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| 17:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | are not connected, the clock should just keep running as without ntp |
| 17:02.24 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: the "dynamic" option may fix it, but for some reason, debian doesn't specify it by default. which is a very bad thing for laptop users. |
| 17:02.58 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: well, sure, but if you are not on a network at boot, which you won't be unless you're using a wired network, ntpd tries to resolve your servers, can't, and completely gives up on them |
| 17:03.13 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: without the "dynamic" option. which is not in the default ntp.conf. which is retarded. |
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| 17:04.28 | SerajewelKS | dpkg's recommendation to use "iburst" is only useful if you *can* resolve the servers and *then* lose connectivity |
| 17:04.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think if you get a 4 hour difference, something was wrong |
| 17:04.43 | SerajewelKS | which describes exactly 0% of laptops |
| 17:05.01 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, something was wrong. i installed windows and it dicked up the hardware clock. :) |
| 17:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | check your hardware clock |
| 17:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 17:05.15 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: but it would be very nice if ntp could be easily told to resync without having to pull teeth |
| 17:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how do you suppose ntp should fix that |
| 17:05.23 | SerajewelKS | and part of that means a sane configuration for laptops |
| 17:05.29 | quad3datwork | is there a way to export iscsi target over specific interface? i have eth0 on 100mbps, and a bond0 (eth1, eth2, eth3, eth4) on 1Gb |
| 17:05.40 | quad3datwork | i want to export luns over bond0 |
| 17:05.49 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: that problem (an offset) is completely unrelated to the problem i am discussing |
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| 17:06.20 | McL0VIN | Titan8990: can you help me please |
| 17:06.25 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: the problem i'm looking at is that, by default, ntpd is completely useless for mobile devices because the default config assumes you will be connected during boot |
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| 17:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I think ntpd does a good job as long as your clock gets only a little off - if you get too far off, it tries to adjust but fails |
| 17:06.47 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: again, you are talking apples and i am talking oranges |
| 17:07.12 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: if we assume a (mostly) correct system clock, ntpd still won't do shit on laptops |
| 17:07.26 | SerajewelKS | (that are not connected via a wired interface that is brought up during boot) |
| 17:08.17 | SerajewelKS | unless you require that ntpd be restarted after an internet connection is established, which is a tad asinine |
| 17:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, actually it should be brought up with the internet connection and brought down when it goes away |
| 17:09.03 | SerajewelKS | sure. but that's not how it works. :) |
| 17:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntpd is not terribly useful without a connection, so no reason to have the daemon |
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| 17:09.35 | SerajewelKS | i'm ok with the daemon running all the time if it will at least try to resolve periodically instead of giving up. which is what "dynamic" does. |
| 17:09.54 | SerajewelKS | so it's a 4-line temporary fix until it goes up and down with the network connection |
| 17:10.00 | SerajewelKS | just saying :) |
| 17:10.09 | jelly | SerajewelKS: a ntpd can get 'n sync in ten minutes or so, and there are ntpds specifically made for machines that are not always online |
| 17:10.28 | jelly | chrony |
| 17:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ntp |
| 17:10.55 | jelly | right |
| 17:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and /etc/network/if-up.d/ntp |
| 17:11.22 | jelly | ... or buy laptops with GPS |
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| 17:11.22 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: does that exist on your system or are you proposing it? |
| 17:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is restarted by default, if I see that exactly |
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| 17:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how it is on lenny |
| 17:11.37 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, i don't seem to have that file |
| 17:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if the 1st one is used, but the network/if-up one should be active |
| 17:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | found that with dpkg -L ntp |
| 17:12.10 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's just that ntpd from ISC ntp isn't very good at quickly synching up |
| 17:12.56 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: also, I bet it has no suspend or hibernate or resume hooks |
| 17:13.01 | SerajewelKS | ah, i was looking in the wrong place |
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| 17:13.56 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: it looks like that script is designed to add NTP servers obtained from DHCP options |
| 17:14.26 | SerajewelKS | though it might also restart ntp anyway |
| 17:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have read /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz :) |
| 17:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we all know reading documentation is so uncool :) |
| 17:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it's linked to dhcp |
| 17:15.01 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm ok reading docs when i know they exist |
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| 17:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, /usr/share/doc/<packet>/README.Debian is generally worth a short look |
| 17:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if things don't run out-of-the-box as wanted |
| 17:16.01 | SerajewelKS | of course, i am using statically assigned ip addresses, so this explains why ntpd acts dumb on my system |
| 17:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 17:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | the basic assumption is that a roaming laptop will be configured for dhcp |
| 17:16.35 | SerajewelKS | so apparently this is a case of the ntp package scripts acting too smart for my setup :) |
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| 17:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is not such a bad guess in general |
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| 17:17.14 | SerajewelKS | no, it's not. i saw ntp.conf, saw what it was doing (and not doing) in my case and jumped to conclusions |
| 17:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and everyone who can set up static IPs is assumed to be able to take his own steps |
| 17:17.38 | SerajewelKS | i still maintain that "dynamic" would be a sane default on server lines though |
| 17:17.55 | SerajewelKS | but it's good to know that the defaults are at least sane for most people |
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| 17:34.52 | McL0VIN | Guys i need help starting x11vnc |
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| 17:36.07 | McL0VIN | i keep getting this |
| 17:36.26 | McL0VIN | http://pastebin.ca/1623950 |
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| 17:42.32 | mee | ar you also running real X at the same time? |
| 17:42.39 | mee | perhaps you need to run x11vnc on another display? |
| 17:43.09 | mee | I'm not familiar w/ x11vnc -- is it supposed to share the display you're actively using, or make a new one available? |
| 17:44.11 | log69 | mee: it's a remote desktop solution |
| 17:44.15 | mee | Hmm, it's also possible that X11 auth is failing, have you tried the stuff suggested about 2/3rds of the way down the error message? |
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| 17:45.17 | mee | log69: sure, but so is tightvnc -- the error message makes it clear that it links to an extant x11 server, though |
| 17:45.24 | mee | so it's the former of the two |
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| 17:45.57 | mee | should have read first |
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| 17:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason nfs-kernel-server is not starting on boot, and it does not appear in rcconf as a selectable service. |
| 17:55.34 | peleg | Hello. Evolution seems to print a week (planner) view when I'm trying to print a work-week view (which is a nice table). It looks like a built-in bug in evolution. |
| 17:55.45 | hildebrandus | mee: you may find this link useful http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-manage-machines-using-vnc.html |
| 17:55.55 | peleg | All I am trying to do is to print my ics files nicely in weekly views. My sunbird can't do it also. Do you have any idea? |
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| 17:57.08 | mee | hildebrandus: sorry, I wasn't clear -- I know what vnc is, I've used it a lot. I just wasn't clear whether it was trying to link to an already-running x server and provide vnc access, or whether it was trying to start a new x server of it's own |
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| 17:57.26 | hickop_ | Hi , when I maximize my terminal , last line is "blank" , is there a way to remove that line please ? |
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| 17:58.01 | mee | hickop_: that's probably because the terminal can only grow in increments of line-height |
| 17:58.39 | mee | so you'll end up with dead space unless your font is the right size to fill the height of your terminal window |
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| 17:58.59 | mee | short version: you can try adjusting the font size up or down |
| 17:59.05 | peleg | Do you know ANY calendar softwares for gnome besides evolution and sunbird? |
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| 17:59.14 | hildebrandus | mee: ok. |
| 17:59.17 | lekernel | hi |
| 17:59.21 | hickop_ | mee: ok |
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| 17:59.53 | lekernel | any debian developer here? I am making packages for developing on a open hardware platform (www.milkymist.org) and I would need a sponsor to push them into Debian |
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| 18:00.22 | lekernel | packages are GCC built for the LatticeMico32 softcore processor and some devtools that I wrote and which are GPL'd |
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| 18:02.23 | hark | lekernel: /msg dpkg rfs /msg dpkg mentor |
| 18:02.25 | p4tr0p1 | Titan8990, sorry the delay I'm working. The problem is that the device is not find correctly, the system only finds /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1 for example |
| 18:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | lekernel: I'm pretty sure there's a mailing list for that sort of thing. |
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| 18:04.31 | odla | hi i am trying to run nm-applet in lxde and it won't start. it says 'Couldnot find required resources' |
| 18:05.36 | lekernel | ok, thanks for the info |
| 18:06.14 | log69 | odla: shouldn't NetworkManager be running for that? |
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| 18:06.27 | lekernel | I was reading http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint which does not mention the mailing list nor http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 18:06.50 | odla | log69: yes |
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| 18:07.11 | odla | log69: it is running |
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| 18:07.33 | abrotman | odla: run it from a terminal to see what it's looking for |
| 18:07.44 | hark | odla: pastebin the output you get when you run it from a terminal |
| 18:08.26 | odla | http://pastebin.ca/1623982 |
| 18:08.27 | hark | yeah, or see it yourself :) |
| 18:08.43 | Jill | hi |
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| 18:09.20 | zleap | how would i rename a set of .html files to /php |
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| 18:09.29 | abrotman | odla: if i had to guess .. it's trying to stick it in the systray |
| 18:09.31 | abrotman | zleap: man rename |
| 18:09.39 | zleap | how would i rename a set of .html files to .php - rename *.html *.php isn't working |
| 18:10.02 | hark | odla: that's it? which version of debian? |
| 18:10.04 | odla | abrotman: what do you mean? creating an *.desktop file and throwing it in autostart? |
| 18:10.14 | odla | hark: lenny ... that's all |
| 18:11.04 | module000 | zleap: i would use perl, but there is probably a more "standard" way |
| 18:11.28 | zleap | ok |
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| 18:11.40 | zleap | well there has to be an easier way to simply rename a set of file extensions |
| 18:11.47 | zleap | i am sure I have done it before |
| 18:11.50 | log69 | zleap: abrotman pointed out already: man rename - it says in manual :) |
| 18:11.56 | abrotman | odla: AIUI, that applet is meant for gnome |
| 18:12.08 | zleap | that failed |
| 18:12.11 | mee | zleap: in bash, for i in *.html; do mv $i ${i/.html/.php}; done -- see `man bash` |
| 18:12.13 | abrotman | zleap: what failed? |
| 18:12.25 | log69 | zleap: something like rename 's/\.html$/\.php/' *.html |
| 18:12.32 | hark | odla: there's a report in the bts for your case |
| 18:12.32 | zleap | yeah i tried that |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | mee: spaces ? |
| 18:12.40 | zleap | ah |
| 18:12.46 | odla | hark: bug number? |
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| 18:13.08 | module000 | zleap: http://pastebin.com/m11917b35 |
| 18:13.08 | zleap | ok i got it |
| 18:13.12 | mee | quote as needed, sure |
| 18:13.16 | module000 | zleap: if you *did* you perl to do it...i do it so often i wrote a perl for it :P |
| 18:13.19 | hark | !dbugs 519421 |
| 18:13.25 | dpkg | #519421:N[network-manager-gnome] network-manager-gnome: nm-applet fails to start because it cannot find its icon (); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:00:01 UTC [] |
| 18:13.27 | hark | odla: ^ |
| 18:13.36 | zleap | rename 's/\.html$/\.php/' *.html |
| 18:13.37 | zleap | worked |
| 18:13.43 | hark | odla: same lenny and lxde |
| 18:13.51 | zleap | i just did it wrong the first time, but I don't understand perl at all |
| 18:14.08 | zleap | i would have thought mv or cp *.html *.php would do it |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | that's regexp, not perl so much |
| 18:14.44 | odla | hark: thanks |
| 18:14.49 | mee | zleap: the problem is that the globs *.html and *.php are expanded by the shell before cp sees them |
| 18:14.56 | module000 | yea...i did it so i could regexp it...it had a special purpose something about.. "foo.html?hello"..i wanted to preserve the "?hello" in them |
| 18:14.57 | odla | can dpkg be updated to nm-applet won't work in lxde ... install hicolor-icon-theme? |
| 18:14.59 | zleap | ok |
| 18:15.02 | panfist | i'm sorry i forgot what this utility is called, and google is returing funny rsults for me like how to manage IBM servers...is there something that keeps track of your private ssh keys and makes it easier to ssh into various boxes? |
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| 18:15.34 | odla | hark: that solved my problem |
| 18:15.37 | abrotman | panfist: you m ean a GUI thing ? |
| 18:15.38 | zeier | What is default cd rip application for kde(4)? |
| 18:16.52 | mee | panfist: ssh-agent? |
| 18:17.08 | AimHere | zeier, I don't know, but I find opening a command line and typing 'jack' is easier than anything you can do with a GUI |
| 18:17.35 | zeier | AimHere: will the mp3s get tagged and so on? |
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| 18:17.45 | zeier | I also prefer cmdline tools |
| 18:17.52 | panfist | no not a gui thing |
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| 18:18.24 | panfist | ssh-agent is just what i was looking for thanks |
| 18:18.53 | AimHere | zeier, If you're connected to the net, then yes |
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| 18:19.52 | odla | also does anyone know how i can get the original lxde menu when i click on the desktop and not the openbox one? |
| 18:19.53 | AimHere | There's two packages called jack, one is a CD ripper, the other is some audio daemon |
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| 18:21.39 | dkr | jack the ripper is a password cracker |
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| 18:22.06 | autojack | dkr: that's john the ripper I think. |
| 18:22.22 | dkr | ah, was just about to say, or maybe i am going senile. heh |
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| 18:22.49 | abrotman | jack is a nice CLI utility for ripping/encoding audio CDs |
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| 18:23.19 | dkr | it is indeed called john the ripper |
| 18:23.44 | JPT | isn't Jack the Ripper a tool for cracking passwords? Oo |
| 18:23.55 | dkr | so we have jack, john, joe. heh |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | no, joe is an editor |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | wonders where Manny is |
| 18:24.45 | AimHere | Not to mention ed |
| 18:24.47 | ranix | better than Hans |
| 18:24.49 | hark | odla: it seems the icon cache had to be updated. anyway, good to see it's working |
| 18:24.53 | ranix | he went insane and murdered his wife |
| 18:24.58 | AimHere | Insane? |
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| 18:25.10 | ranix | well maybe he was always a little off kilter |
| 18:25.14 | AimHere | I thought the murder was a carefully planned one. |
| 18:25.21 | panfist | i have dug myself into a little hole...i started a screen session, then within screen i ssh'd into a remote box. then i attached to a screen session running on the remote box. i'm not sure how detach from the remote screen session and get back to a vanilla terminal. i keep detaching from the local screen session |
| 18:25.26 | ranix | I hear you had to be a little unusual in the frontal lobe to marry her in the first place |
| 18:25.30 | AimHere | Probably had some logic to it |
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| 18:25.47 | abrotman | panfist: the screen man page tells you how to do this |
| 18:26.01 | panfist | thank you abrotman |
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| 18:26.16 | autojack | last night I went to replace a failed drive in my server. it's connected to a SATA backplane. I did 'echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/delete' and the drive disappeared from /proc/scsi/scsi. then I popped out the old one and installed the new one. after that I could not get the system to recognize the new drive and assign it to /dev/sda. I kept trying to do 'echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan' but I just got the error "operation not supported." an |
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| 18:26.40 | autojack | panfist: yeah I've done that before, I always forget the fix. it's some byzantine key combination. |
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| 18:28.08 | abrotman | panfist: or use screen -d |
| 18:28.37 | panfist | well this irssi instance is in the inner screen session. i dont want to quit irssi so i can screen -d |
| 18:29.17 | panfist | wait...i think i'm misunderstanding something |
| 18:29.22 | McL0VIN | if i have an external drive how do i know it's mount point |
| 18:29.27 | abrotman | dmesg |
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| 18:29.38 | _echa | hey there |
| 18:29.38 | MisterN | panfist: C-a a d? |
| 18:29.51 | _echa | anybody aware of the current dmsetup packaging issue? |
| 18:29.56 | _echa | (in sid) |
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| 18:30.48 | UNiTee | panfist, what are you missunderstanding?! |
| 18:31.05 | abrotman | _echa: WRT gnome? |
| 18:31.09 | panfist | success! |
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| 18:31.13 | panfist | i thought i tried that |
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| 18:31.22 | panfist | UNiTee misunderstanding how screen -d works |
| 18:31.29 | UNiTee | screen is a runny program. |
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| 18:31.49 | panfist | "i thought i tried that" @ MisterN |
| 18:32.06 | UNiTee | pretty sure from bash screen -d would make your screen and detach it. |
| 18:32.06 | MisterN | panfist: dunno |
| 18:32.08 | panfist | i am amazed at how small screen is |
| 18:32.12 | UNiTee | lol |
| 18:32.14 | UNiTee | why? |
| 18:32.16 | nsadmin | McL0VIN if it's not mounted, there is no mount point unless you;ve established one |
| 18:32.22 | UNiTee | all it does is open a new bash lol |
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| 18:32.52 | UNiTee | panfist, im amazed at how often i use screen. |
| 18:32.54 | nsadmin | it does more than that |
| 18:32.54 | panfist | all the remote, multiuser connection stuff |
| 18:32.56 | McL0VIN | nsadmin: no, i plug it and it showed in my desktop |
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| 18:33.09 | _echa | abrotman: yes |
| 18:33.11 | UNiTee | didnt know screen controled remote stuff. |
| 18:33.16 | nsadmin | ok, so it is mounted... try mount |
| 18:33.20 | UNiTee | i use ssh fforrr thattt |
| 18:33.22 | mee | UNiTee: runny? |
| 18:33.26 | UNiTee | funny. |
| 18:33.33 | _echa | abrotman: i can't mount my home partition :( |
| 18:33.34 | UNiTee | not like your die a reee ha |
| 18:33.35 | nsadmin | bunny |
| 18:33.46 | panfist | UNiTee it allows people who are remoting into the same box to share a screen session, it doesnt replace ssh |
| 18:33.51 | McL0VIN | nsadmin: yeah, i dont see it there |
| 18:33.54 | McL0VIN | hmmmm |
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| 18:34.07 | nsadmin | sure about that? |
| 18:34.10 | UNiTee | panfist, so me and you could edit the same file at the same time and see eachothers changes? |
| 18:34.57 | ruben23 | hi how do i sync time between servers with ntp..? |
| 18:35.07 | panfist | i'm not sure if you get simultaneous multiuser i/o ... i used it for a home server that was running rtorrent in a screen session...my roommate and i could both screen -x the same session to 'login' to rtorrent |
| 18:35.12 | McL0VIN | nsadmin: oh shoot , i missed it |
| 18:35.13 | nsadmin | UNiTee you can ssh in, you'll be on the remote, then you can start ITS screen |
| 18:35.15 | panfist | i dont think we were ever onit at the same time |
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| 18:35.47 | abrotman | _echa: there is a bug about this .. let me see if i can find it |
| 18:35.57 | UNiTee | yeah |
| 18:35.59 | UNiTee | i know that. |
| 18:36.10 | abrotman | _echa: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545032 |
| 18:36.19 | abrotman | _echa: http://np237.livejournal.com/25947.html |
| 18:36.42 | UNiTee | gawdawm i want a ciggarette |
| 18:37.02 | _echa | installs elinks and gpm |
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| 18:39.10 | abrotman | _echa: at least, i think that's what you're referring to |
| 18:40.12 | _echa | abrotman: yes, i wish i had known about it before the last dist-upgrade |
| 18:40.28 | _echa | abrotman: i'm a bit shafted now |
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| 18:40.41 | _echa | abrotman: all my work data is on the encrypted partition |
| 18:40.44 | sfantar | hey |
| 18:40.57 | abrotman | _echa: would you like me to make a smartass comment about running an important machine on unstable? |
| 18:41.06 | _echa | abrotman: sure |
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| 18:41.15 | _echa | abrotman :-) |
| 18:41.28 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:43.12 | dwhite | does anyone have any recommendations on setting up a local debian build farm (i386 and amd64 architectures)? |
| 18:43.39 | Titan8990 | recommendations on what? |
| 18:43.42 | dwhite | i have several site local packages I'd like to maintain, but I'm having a hard time keeping my i386 and amd64 packages in sync |
| 18:43.49 | dwhite | software - does dak do this? |
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| 18:44.04 | sfantar | I'm setting up a wireless key, so, I've done iwconfig wlan0 essid "MyEssid", but now, If I try dhclient wlan0, I get this : http://pastebin.com/m6e158320 how to fix this ? |
| 18:44.06 | dwhite | i'd like something that automatically builds my packages |
| 18:44.07 | Titan8990 | !tell dwhite about apt-mirror |
| 18:44.29 | dwhite | Titan8990, i'm not looking to mirror anyone else's packages. |
| 18:44.31 | nsadmin | there's something called buildd |
| 18:44.39 | dwhite | k |
| 18:45.05 | Titan8990 | dwhite, for building packages the debian maint guide is quite extensive |
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| 18:45.51 | nsadmin | Titan8990: does it cover the autobuilders? |
| 18:46.05 | dwhite | let me explain a little better. I want to have an i386 build host, and an amd64 build host, and be able to submit my own personal packages for automatic build |
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| 18:46.19 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, dh_build if you consider that |
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| 18:46.38 | nsadmin | that's part of debhelper |
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| 18:47.22 | dwhite | Titan8990, thx. i'll check it out. |
| 18:47.31 | nsadmin | !find dh_build |
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| 18:48.17 | techouse | can anyone point me to a how-to or tell me what to do if i wanna copy my WHOLE /home folder (which is located on a separate partition than the root one) to a tar.gz file? |
| 18:48.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dh_build' (2): (/usr/bin/dh_builddeb) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/bin/dh_buildinfo) in devel/dh-buildinfo. |
| 18:48.37 | nsadmin | techouse: use tar |
| 18:48.48 | sfantar | any idea for my problem ? |
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| 18:50.01 | techouse | nsadmin: i'm currently doing this type of operation: #cd /media/disk1/home && tar cfv - . | (cd /media/disk2/home; tar xf -) |
| 18:50.52 | nsadmin | why are you untarring when you want a tarball? |
| 18:50.54 | dwhite | looks like buildd is what I'm after. ty |
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| 18:51.16 | techouse | nsadmin: crap...how did the x get in there :P |
| 18:51.29 | techouse | damn it :P |
| 18:52.00 | nsadmin | I actually tell people to use that form when they want to do system partition copies |
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| 18:52.29 | techouse | yea, that would seem logical :D |
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| 18:53.13 | nsadmin | it looks like this... (cd /some/where && tar cfpl - .) | (cd /the/dest && tar xfp -) |
| 18:53.59 | techouse | so simply #tar czfv /media/disk2/home.tar.gz /media/disk1/home |
| 18:54.00 | techouse | ? |
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| 18:54.11 | ranix | I prefer czvf |
| 18:54.33 | ranix | and it would be -czvf |
| 18:54.35 | techouse | does the combination of letter matter? |
| 18:54.41 | ranix | no |
| 18:54.44 | nsadmin | no, the - is deprecated |
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| 18:54.48 | ranix | rly>? |
| 18:54.51 | ranix | wow |
| 18:55.04 | nsadmin | in gnu tar anyway |
| 18:55.19 | nsadmin | so maybe yours is portable |
| 18:55.35 | nsadmin | but: |
| 18:55.50 | nsadmin | you might not want v, and you might want p and l |
| 18:55.56 | CharminTheMoose | in qjackctl, what does it mean when the xrun box says 2(4)? |
| 18:55.58 | nsadmin | see the man page for details |
| 18:56.02 | techouse | what do p and l do? |
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| 18:56.06 | nsadmin | see the man page for details |
| 18:56.22 | elli222 | Hi, nautilus can't seem to mount my floppy disk, mount and pmount work, and HAL sees the floppy drive... (lshal | grep floppy reports it is there) |
| 18:56.53 | techouse | aha |
| 18:56.53 | nsadmin | so I'm going to explain them when there's already a well-written explanation? |
| 18:56.54 | techouse | ok |
| 18:57.02 | elli222 | (debian sid 64 bit Kernel/User space with all updates installed) |
| 18:57.37 | techouse | check links & same permissions, ok :) |
| 18:57.42 | dustybin | techouse: what happened to drum n bass and trance? |
| 18:58.08 | techouse | don't like them; i'm a house dj and i do some techno if required |
| 18:58.29 | techouse | nsadmin: so also use p when extracting, right? |
| 18:58.51 | nsadmin | well I always do, it doesn't hurt |
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| 18:59.02 | techouse | k, so zxvfp it is :D |
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| 18:59.14 | nsadmin | you really want v, huh? |
| 18:59.20 | techouse | always :P |
| 18:59.33 | techouse | with 12gb of files...i wanna see what's going on :P |
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| 19:00.05 | nsadmin | unnecessary spewage, and I want to see what I did before :) |
| 19:00.10 | McL0VIN | how can i upgrade from 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 to .30 |
| 19:00.13 | nsadmin | but to each our own |
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| 19:00.34 | techouse | thing is, i switched to ext4 from ext3 and to make all files ext4 they have to be re-written |
| 19:00.41 | McL0VIN | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 cause me to get hacked today |
| 19:00.52 | techouse | kinda the best way to do it, imho |
| 19:01.08 | nsadmin | McL0VIN: no, the hacker caused that |
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| 19:01.32 | curiosit0 | but who hacks mclovin, everyone loves mclovin |
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| 19:02.20 | McL0VIN | curiosit0: they probably needed my good making love recipe |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | McL0VIN: on etch ? |
| 19:02.47 | McL0VIN | abrotman: lenny |
| 19:02.57 | abrotman | McL0VIN: wtf .. why would you be using that kernel on lenny ? |
| 19:03.06 | nsadmin | much more likely what caused you to be hacked is your presence on an irc net and channel where there are hacks... and likely you said something that increased their desire |
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| 19:03.23 | ranix | HAX HAX |
| 19:03.26 | abrotman | McL0VIN: that's an etch kernel, and it's out of date |
| 19:03.32 | nsadmin | THAT would be the likely cause... the kernel was a means to an end |
| 19:03.32 | McL0VIN | think i must 've fucked up big time to have abrotman man say wtf :) |
| 19:03.32 | abrotman | well .. an bpo kernel for etch |
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| 19:03.56 | McL0VIN | eee |
| 19:04.05 | ranix | 2.6.26 is an etch kernel |
| 19:04.20 | nsadmin | no, but... |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | ranix: no, ti's not |
| 19:04.38 | McL0VIN | 5.0.3 |
| 19:04.42 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 19:04.44 | judd | abrotman: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 19:05.06 | nsadmin | 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 is an older backported kernel |
| 19:05.23 | abrotman | eww .. it is still on bpo .. that's not good |
| 19:05.27 | McL0VIN | guys guys don't fight i just want to fix it |
| 19:05.34 | McL0VIN | roflmao |
| 19:05.44 | ranix | should report that to bpo |
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| 19:05.53 | ranix | I think they have a bugtracker |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | ranix: you wanna go out back and settle this?!! |
| 19:06.08 | ranix | also, stop using etch |
| 19:06.14 | abrotman | ranix: he's using lenny |
| 19:06.32 | ranix | abrotman: calm down man, I told you I was sorry - I thought she was your sister |
| 19:06.33 | McL0VIN | abrotman: do i need to re-install |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | ranix: it was my mom! |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | McL0VIN: because your kernel is out of date? |
| 19:07.23 | McL0VIN | abrotman: because that dude had access to my box and got root priv |
| 19:07.29 | ranix | ah |
| 19:07.33 | abrotman | probably be a good idea to reinstall |
| 19:07.43 | ranix | no amount of security will protect you from someone with access to the hardware |
| 19:07.54 | ranix | well, no amount less than a big dude with a gun |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | McL0VIN: wait .. how did he get access ? |
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| 19:08.04 | abrotman | ranix: maybe a little dude with a big gun ? |
| 19:08.12 | ranix | abrotman: depends how big the gun is |
| 19:08.19 | nsadmin | any dude or chick with a gun |
| 19:08.25 | ranix | I don't like big chicks |
| 19:08.32 | McL0VIN | abrotman: i was scp a file to him |
| 19:08.58 | McL0VIN | ranix: then we disagree |
| 19:09.04 | McL0VIN | :) |
| 19:09.16 | abrotman | McL0VIN: i'm still not getting how you think he got root |
| 19:09.16 | nsadmin | so he got your IP by that if he didn't have it already |
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| 19:09.53 | peleg | I'm desperately looking for a calendar software that will know how to print a weekly view. Evolution and Sunbird do not know how to do it... and korganizer won't allow me to start the week at sunday (I use gnome) |
| 19:09.57 | peleg | any ideas? |
| 19:10.00 | McL0VIN | abrotman: i saw that , his username under root with priv |
| 19:10.59 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | saw it where ? |
| 19:11.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 three-legged ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | peleg: sunbird can |
| 19:11.01 | McL0VIN | abrotman: am sorry man i was working since last night....ps -ef |
| 19:11.01 | peleg | abrotman, it can only print a "weekly planner" view (the days are not side-by-side, but in two columns) |
| 19:11.12 | peleg | that Evolution can do as well |
| 19:11.34 | abrotman | peleg: have you tried the Sunbird betas ? |
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| 19:12.49 | cirzgamanti | anybody knows how to concat some .wav files on command line? |
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| 19:13.00 | abrotman | can sox do that? |
| 19:13.14 | dkr | cat *.wav >big.wav |
| 19:13.34 | nsadmin | hmm, there's a tune called The Big Wave |
| 19:13.35 | cirzgamanti | no, cat won't work |
| 19:13.35 | dkr | works for me. that's how I joined together multiple movements of classical pieces |
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| 19:13.53 | cirzgamanti | dkr: it only plays the first one then (with mplayer) |
| 19:14.02 | cirzgamanti | it works with mp3 though :) |
| 19:14.16 | dkr | oops, my bad, yeah, i was cat'ng .mp3s |
| 19:14.29 | ranix | why won't cat work |
| 19:14.32 | techouse | nsadmin: oh, wait, i found a more neat way of re-writing ext3 files to ext4 files with extents - # chattr +e /some/file |
| 19:14.36 | ranix | cat foo bar >foobar |
| 19:14.58 | cirzgamanti | abrotman: sox does it :) |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 19:15.04 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for abrotman |
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| 19:15.26 | cirzgamanti | even with only doing "sox file1 file2 ... outfile" :) |
| 19:15.27 | cirzgamanti | thx! |
| 19:15.46 | ranix | dpkg: you are a deft decanter |
| 19:15.47 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 19:15.47 | McL0VIN | abrotman: this is what he said he used http://www.risesecurity.org/exploits/linux-sendpage.c |
| 19:16.11 | nsadmin | dpkg: actually, you do |
| 19:16.11 | dpkg | nsadmin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:16.28 | ranix | nsadmin: careful, actually is a keyword |
| 19:16.41 | ranix | actually, foo is bar is a factoid correction I believe |
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| 19:16.48 | nsadmin | !listkeys actually |
| 19:16.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'actually' by key returned no results. |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | McL0VIN: which was fixed ages ago in debian .. your fault for running a kernel not intended for use with your system |
| 19:17.13 | nsadmin | is not :P |
| 19:17.23 | ranix | !listkeys tell me about |
| 19:17.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tell me about' by key returned no results. |
| 19:17.33 | ranix | nsadmin: commands don't show in listkeys |
| 19:17.45 | nsadmin | you said keyword :) |
| 19:18.11 | McL0VIN | abrotman: how can i update to current |
| 19:18.36 | abrotman | before or after reinstall ? |
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| 19:19.37 | McL0VIN | before |
| 19:19.57 | hark | ranix: it isn't |
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| 19:22.04 | abrotman | McL0VIN: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 19:22.09 | ranix | hark: you are right |
| 19:22.12 | ranix | hrm |
| 19:22.43 | peleg | abrotman, which one? I am using 0.7 |
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| 19:23.11 | abrotman | peleg: hi? |
| 19:23.23 | abrotman | oh .. hold on |
| 19:23.27 | peleg | 21:11 abrotman | peleg: have you tried the Sunbird \betas ? |
| 19:23.43 | zeier | AimHere: thanks for the hint (jack). Great program! |
| 19:23.47 | McL0VIN | and just restart after that |
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| 19:23.56 | abrotman | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ |
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| 19:24.09 | abrotman | and that's only 0.9 .. i'm sure the beta is in there somewhere too |
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| 19:25.06 | abrotman | peleg: in the TB3 betas here, i can choose a date range to print |
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| 19:25.13 | Grundy | what distro do you think Jesus would use? |
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| 19:25.21 | sfantar | I'm setting up a wireless key, so, I've done iwconfig wlan0 essid "MyEssid", but now, If I try dhclient wlan0, I get this : http://pastebin.com/m6e158320 how to fix this ? |
| 19:25.28 | abrotman | Grundy: on the computer from 33AD ? |
| 19:25.32 | Hideo | Grundy: dead man can't use anything |
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| 19:25.34 | Aurus | I'll save you all the trouble, obviously Grundy is trolling. |
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| 19:25.45 | Playn | Hello there |
| 19:25.48 | pepsi | hello |
| 19:25.59 | Playn | I have a problem with my Debian; I cannot enable the wi-fi card |
| 19:26.04 | Grundy | abrotman, well, he is kinda timeless. But let's say he had a duo core with a standard intel mobo |
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| 19:26.12 | Grundy | Hideo, he's more of a zombie |
| 19:26.24 | McL0VIN | abrotman: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded |
| 19:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder why people bothered to answer... |
| 19:26.38 | McL0VIN | abrotman: it didn't install anything |
| 19:26.42 | Grundy | CutMeOwnThroat, some people are helpful |
| 19:26.48 | Grundy | It was a serious question |
| 19:26.57 | Playn | Or better I cannot configure it as wlan, its not even recognized. I tried Madwifi and tried some manuals made for this type of notebook (fujitsu s7010), but cannot find any solution |
| 19:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't bother to comment on that |
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| 19:27.09 | Grundy | CutMeOwnThroat, that is a comment |
| 19:27.28 | Hideo | sfantar: is the ap in range, does iwconfig wlan0 says it is associated? If it is in range and not associated, is it encrypted, wep or wpa? |
| 19:27.28 | peleg | abrotman, are there .debs for these? |
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| 19:28.31 | sfantar | Hideo: encrypted with wep and it's in not associated |
| 19:28.47 | n215 | is there any free iscsi software for linux? |
| 19:28.49 | Grundy | why bother using wep? |
| 19:29.02 | Hideo | sfantar: then of course you wouldn't be able to obtain an ip |
| 19:29.04 | Grundy | wpa2, pappy |
| 19:29.28 | sfantar | Hideo: oh ok, and so, how to fix the problem to be able to get an ip ? |
| 19:29.29 | cirzgamanti | where does "apt-get source" save to? |
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| 19:29.57 | techouse | maybe /usr/src ? |
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| 19:30.30 | Hideo | sfantar: if it's in range, uh.. do iwconfig wlan0 key <your key here> |
| 19:30.52 | Hideo | sfantar: make sure you're on the right channel, it should find the channel on its own, but slower |
| 19:31.01 | cirzgamanti | techouse: hm, no, but there's *some* stuff... (i was looking in /var/... to no avail) |
| 19:31.15 | Hideo | sfantar: then do iwconfig wlan0 to see if it's associated yet |
| 19:31.18 | Grundy | why can't he do "iwlist wlan0 scan" to find out? |
| 19:31.43 | Hideo | no one said he couldn't |
| 19:31.49 | cirzgamanti | techouse: duh, it saves into the current dir :P |
| 19:31.59 | techouse | lol |
| 19:32.01 | sfantar | Grundy: already done you know |
| 19:32.20 | Grundy | sfantar, don't use WEP |
| 19:32.41 | Grundy | I'm begging you |
| 19:33.17 | sfantar | Hideo: key set |
| 19:33.31 | Hideo | check it then |
| 19:33.35 | Grundy | see if it's associated and you got an IP pappy |
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| 19:33.58 | peleg | abrotman, oh, I see I need to build it on my own... I think it is quite large on me... |
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| 19:34.32 | abrotman | peleg: i don't have TB2 handy, but i can't believe it doesn't do that |
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| 19:34.42 | abrotman | peleg: maybe make it in OO or something like that ? |
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| 19:34.53 | peleg | in openoffice? |
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| 19:35.13 | Hideo | Grundy: some public places, like universities still use WEP, it's not like the clients/users have a choice in the matter |
| 19:35.15 | abrotman | sure? |
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| 19:35.41 | Grundy | Hideo, wow. I haven't encountered any organizations using WEP for years |
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| 19:35.52 | sfantar | Hideo: how to change the channel ? |
| 19:36.06 | peleg | abrotman, I haven't tried in tb2, only in sunbird0.7 |
| 19:36.11 | Hideo | sfantar: just check to see if it's associated yet |
| 19:36.23 | Hideo | sfantar: it should automatically find the channel on its own |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | peleg: i guess i meant lightning in TB2, but it'd likely be the same as SB0./7 |
| 19:36.32 | sfantar | Hideo: no, it's not |
| 19:36.39 | Hoxzer | I bet you could steal over 9000 accounts in my university by just masking your laptop as a access point |
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| 19:37.03 | panos | hello |
| 19:37.05 | Hideo | sfantar: if you do ifconfig, does wlan0 show up there? |
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| 19:37.15 | sfantar | Hideo: yes |
| 19:37.20 | Grundy | Hoxzer, just run airbase-ng and away you go |
| 19:38.05 | Hoxzer | Grundy: pretty cool |
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| 19:38.13 | Hideo | sfantar: ok, then is it in range? |
| 19:38.16 | Grundy | sfantar, what is the signal strength you get when you do "iwlist ra0 scan"? |
| 19:38.17 | peleg | abrotman, well, sunbird 0.7 has only three print views: list, monthly grid, and "weekly planner", which is quite ugly |
| 19:38.55 | Hideo | sfantar: sometimes even when you can see the ap doesn't mean the ap can see you, that is, your transmitting power isn't strong enough |
| 19:39.02 | peleg | no, *really* ugly. |
| 19:39.03 | sfantar | Grundy: ra0 = wlan0 for example ? |
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| 19:39.15 | Hideo | yep |
| 19:39.24 | Grundy | sfantar, er yeah, sorry |
| 19:39.33 | Grundy | i got all ralink on your ass |
| 19:39.34 | sfantar | ok |
| 19:39.36 | peleg | abrotman, and this "planner" forces (both in sunbird and in evolution) the weekend to be sat-sun |
| 19:40.02 | sfantar | Hideo: ok, but I also have a laptop near the desktop with wireless and has no problem |
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| 19:40.29 | sfantar | Hideo: what do you mean by "range" ? |
| 19:40.51 | Hideo | sfantar: is it not too far from the ap? |
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| 19:41.15 | Hideo | sfantar: sounds like you might have mistype either you essid or your key |
| 19:41.31 | Hideo | sfantar: man iwconfig for the caveats when entering your key |
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| 19:41.39 | sfantar | Hideo: no |
| 19:41.59 | sfantar | (for the "too far from the ap") |
| 19:43.15 | sfantar | Grundy: http://pastebin.com/m1c86aace |
| 19:44.00 | abrotman | peleg: that's why i said about OO |
| 19:44.12 | peleg | openoffice? |
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| 19:44.55 | _echa | how does one kill X these days? |
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| 19:45.43 | sfantar | Hideo and Grundy : there are logs : http://pastebin.com/m130596d6 |
| 19:45.48 | sfantar | -t |
| 19:45.52 | Titan8990 | _echa, logout feature of you WM or with `kill` |
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| 19:46.33 | peleg | abrotman, yes, lightning 0.9 on thunderbird 2 acts like sunbird 0.7 in what related to printing. |
| 19:46.37 | Hideo | sfantar: you shouldn't need wpa-supplicant for wep |
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| 19:47.20 | peleg | I am lost. What did I wish? Only a proper printing of a week view -- that's all! printing... and I can't find a single application that does it properly (not even google docs) |
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| 19:47.52 | _echa | Titan8990: Ctl-Atl-Bksp doesn't work anymore, that was a useful shortcut |
| 19:48.11 | Titan8990 | _echa, i agree |
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| 19:49.00 | _echa | Titan8990: i guess to many new users were hitting the combo by accident - replacing it with Ctl-Alt-Break or something would have been better |
| 19:49.03 | sfantar | even without a wep key, the problem is still existing |
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| 19:49.33 | Hideo | sfantar: kill wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:50.00 | peleg | abrotman, did you say that I can read ics files in openoffice somehow? |
| 19:50.14 | abrotman | peleg: oh, i thought you wanted a blank calendar |
| 19:50.15 | sfantar | Hideo: already killed |
| 19:50.26 | peleg | abrotman, nope... :( |
| 19:50.34 | Hideo | sfantar: ok, retry again? |
| 19:50.50 | Titan8990 | _echa, try this: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 19:51.02 | sfantar | Hideo: done again with "kill id" |
| 19:51.10 | abrotman | peleg: perhaps head over to irc.mozilla.org and ask if they know how |
| 19:51.18 | abrotman | peleg: IIRC, there is a #calendaring |
| 19:51.19 | Hideo | sfantar: no, I mean retry connecting to ap again |
| 19:51.35 | peleg | abrotman, thanks |
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| 19:52.10 | sfantar | Hideo: each time I retry, wpa_supplicant comes back |
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| 19:53.04 | Hideo | sfantar: if you would, step by step exactly what you do and the results, preferably post it on a paste site |
| 19:53.16 | sfantar | Hideo: ok, going to |
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| 19:53.49 | Hideo | sfantar: is network manager running also? |
| 19:53.55 | sfantar | yes |
| 19:54.14 | Hideo | eh, find a way to stop it, I don't use it so I dunno how |
| 19:54.21 | sfantar | ok |
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| 19:56.33 | Hideo | sfantar: usually if you go the manual route, you wanna do it all the way, you don't want something interefering in the background like nm does; after you test it manually and everything works, you can put it in /etc/network/interfaces and just use ifup/down utilities |
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| 19:57.04 | sfantar | Hideo: oh after killing network manager, I get an ip, but i can't ping anywhere (no route ?) |
| 19:57.25 | sfantar | oh nothing, seems to work |
| 19:57.30 | Hideo | dhcp should have provided route |
| 19:57.32 | Hideo | oh |
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| 19:59.04 | sfantar | Hideo: thanks a lot ! |
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| 19:59.33 | Hideo | sfantar: yw |
| 19:59.45 | sfantar | :) |
| 19:59.56 | racecar56 | GRUB selects the 2nd option by default, how do i make it select the 1st option instead? |
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| 20:00.39 | Hideo | sfantar: I recommend reading "man interfaces", "man wireless", and "man wpa_supplicant" and just forgo network manager completely |
| 20:00.53 | sfantar | okay |
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| 20:01.52 | ranix | sfantar: I'd like to second that motion |
| 20:02.27 | Hideo | sfantar: of course the above recommendation was because you wanted to do things by hands, other people may find using network manager easier, who am I to tell them |
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| 20:04.52 | sfantar | Hideo: I agree with out, I also use network manager on the laptop but I prefer to do things by hand on the desktop |
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| 20:05.01 | sfantar | s/out/you |
| 20:05.14 | sfantar | this depends on people |
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| 20:05.57 | del_diablo | Of this date, is there any tool for Windows for accessing EXT4? |
| 20:05.59 | hildebrandus | racecar56: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make the default as 0 instead of 1. |
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| 20:06.09 | hildebrandus | racecar56: as root |
| 20:06.27 | Hideo | sfantar: yeah, but apparently in the past there have been exotic configurations where nm can't handle so just keep that in mind =P |
| 20:06.32 | racecar56 | hildebrandus: ah ok (i looked here before but i didnt notice the default 1 thing :P) |
| 20:06.56 | hildebrandus | racecar56: ok. now you know. :) |
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| 20:07.38 | |R | Is anyone running Asterisk 1.6.2.0~dfsg~rc1-1 ? |
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| 20:14.23 | sigmonsays | is tehre a way to have /etc/apt/preferences.d ? |
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| 20:16.08 | techouse | sigmonsays: you mean like the things in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ? |
| 20:16.19 | hark | sigmonsays: yes, upgrade to squeeze/sid |
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| 20:17.21 | sigmonsays | Ah. |
| 20:17.24 | sigmonsays | ok then |
| 20:17.25 | sigmonsays | hehe |
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| 20:20.13 | maginot__ | Hi ... does anybody knows about any good material for LPI 301 exam ?? thanks |
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| 20:21.19 | cirwin | following internet instructions for diabling ipv6 under dedian say I should comment out alias net-pf-10 ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases - but that file says it should not be edited; what should I actually do? |
| 20:21.26 | cirwin | *debian |
| 20:21.33 | cirwin | *disabling |
| 20:22.15 | Hideo | !noipv6 |
| 20:22.15 | dpkg | somebody said noipv6 was echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 20:22.41 | Hideo | reboot? what is this, windows? |
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| 20:23.08 | cirwin | thanks Hideo |
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| 20:23.31 | Titan8990 | Hideo, changes to the kernel require a reboot |
| 20:23.44 | Hideo | that isn't changes to kernel... |
| 20:23.57 | Titan8990 | its a change to module configuration |
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| 20:24.45 | cirwin | would modprobe allow the removal of those modules, or what should I do to make it take effect? |
| 20:24.54 | Titan8990 | Hideo, be happy your not in gentoo, because then you would be manually removing support from the kernel, recompiling and THEN rebooting |
| 20:24.57 | racecar56 | is it possible to find the time of formatting a certian ext3 partition? if so, how? |
| 20:25.35 | simNIX | maginot__, Im not sure what 301 covers bit or lpi1 I went for the terms they mention on website lpi and worked from that - also this distro has good documentation -> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=elpicx |
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| 20:25.38 | Hideo | cirwin: I would thing modprobe -r the relevant modules and reload them would be enough, but I've never tried it with respect to ipv6 |
| 20:25.44 | Hideo | s/thing/think |
| 20:26.14 | cirwin | heh, it tells me "module off not found", presumably need to do that before setting up the alias |
| 20:26.29 | maligor | racecar56, tune2fs -l /dev/XXX |
| 20:26.42 | cirwin | hrm, it tells me neither net-pf-10 or ipv6 are found anyway |
| 20:27.42 | Playn | hello |
| 20:27.48 | Hideo | cirwin: I would put ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 20:28.30 | maginot__ | simNIX, did you take it ? |
| 20:28.56 | Alwayz | cirwin /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:29.17 | Playn | How can I fix my module-assistant so that it downloads 'ipw' and 'ieee'? It says, the packages are ignored |
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| 20:29.20 | Hideo | Alwayz: it's blacklist.conf now :P |
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| 20:29.34 | cirwin | ok |
| 20:29.59 | jaggz | anyone know why my -12v is going up to 3.8v .. what does this mean and what can I do about it? |
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| 20:30.04 | jaggz | It seems to do it when the system is hotter |
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| 20:31.09 | jaggz | but I'm hardly running anything now and it's still doing it.. the cpu is 127degF and the mb is 110degF |
| 20:31.24 | ewoerner | hi |
| 20:31.42 | ewoerner | is christian perrier / bubulle round here? |
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| 20:47.06 | Danielss89 | hi, i am trying to open up the sockets for my flash files. I've tried both the examples from adobe's site and another example too... but no matter what i do it doesnt seem to work... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/socket_policy_files.html <-- this is what i did, and when i run ps -x i see the perl script running. Any ideas what i can do? |
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| 21:07.28 | Dravekx | hoe can I remote from windows 7 to debian 5? |
| 21:07.32 | Dravekx | how* |
| 21:07.55 | mns_ | Dravekx, use VNC ? |
| 21:08.03 | Dravekx | ok |
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| 21:09.10 | Alwayz | Dravekx www.nomachine.com |
| 21:09.13 | Alwayz | Dravekx nxserver |
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| 21:09.43 | esaym153 | with the new sysv-rc in squeeze, how do I keep some services from starting now? update-rc.d doesn't work |
| 21:09.52 | Dravekx | Alwayz, cool thx |
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| 21:12.41 | Alwayz | Dravekx nxserver --adduser youuser |
| 21:12.53 | Alwayz | Dravekx nxserver --passwd youuser |
| 21:13.04 | Alwayz | Dravekx nxserver --userlist |
| 21:13.12 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:13.19 | Alwayz | Dravekx nxserver --restart and end |
| 21:13.29 | Dravekx | :) |
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| 21:15.57 | antegallya | esaym153 : I think you would need to define an override in /etc/insserv/overrides/ |
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| 21:16.09 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 21:16.36 | esaym153 | or sudo sysv-rc-conf mysql off ? |
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| 21:17.33 | esaym153 | is not scared to reboot the machine |
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| 21:20.02 | antegallya | easym153 : mmh I would say : try it if you want :D |
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| 21:20.39 | antegallya | esaym153 |
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| 21:22.36 | esaym153 | actually I am scared to restart |
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| 21:23.58 | antegallya | esaym153 : ow I thought you weren't |
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| 21:24.04 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 21:24.20 | esaym153 | heheh |
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| 21:24.53 | Danielss89 | hates the stupid flash sockets |
| 21:25.26 | rudi_s_ | Hi. I mount a directory on my laptop with sshfs on another computer. Everything works fine except when I pull the network cable (or the laptop goes to sleep). Then the other computer kind of freezes, I can't run new commands (running ones keep working). If I reconnect the cable everything starts working again. Is is a known problem and how can I fix it? Thanks. |
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| 21:27.04 | gnarface | rudi_s_: stop doing that |
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| 21:27.34 | rudi_s_ | gnarface: ... |
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| 21:28.10 | runa | hi i get the following problem: Can't locate English.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /usr/bin/rm line 105. |
| 21:28.19 | runa | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/rm line 105. |
| 21:28.19 | antegallya | esaym153 : create a file name as your service's start script's name in /etc/insserv/overrides/ and put the content of its LSB headers in that file (the part of comment between BEGIN INIT INFO and END INIT INFO (included)) and remove the Default-Start and Default-Stop numbers. (Hope i'm clear) |
| 21:28.26 | runa | it seems that some file is missing |
| 21:28.38 | clarjon1 | rudi_s_: Mount it with the -s option? |
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| 21:29.09 | esaym153 | antegallya: that makes sense. But what is sysv-rc-conf for then? |
| 21:29.10 | runa | this prevents me from removing any file so i cant update too |
| 21:29.43 | rudi_s_ | clarjon1: -s as in "disable multi-threaded operation"? |
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| 21:30.02 | clarjon1 | rudi_s_: Google shows that this fixes problems for some users |
| 21:30.04 | Danielss89 | 26567 pts/18 S 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -wT ./socketpolicy.pl <--- this script listens for connections to the sockets, but it doesnt seem to work.. do i have to allow socket connections any where else from? http://pastebin.com/m3a5b06b1 <-- this is socketpolicy.pl |
| 21:30.06 | antegallya | esaym153 : hum actually I don't know if it still works for upstart :D |
| 21:30.10 | runa | as far as i remember i have removed files from usr/local directory. |
| 21:30.20 | rudi_s_ | clarjon1: Thanks, I will try that. |
| 21:30.29 | esaym153 | antegallya: I don't think I have upstart |
| 21:30.57 | esaym153 | No I don't have upstart |
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| 21:32.43 | antegallya | esaym153 : ah maybe you meant update-rc.d <your_service> remove (maybe with -f) |
| 21:33.48 | esaym153 | no I think this is for sysv-rc: http://sysv-rc-conf.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:35.08 | Alwayz | esaym153 update-rc.d -f daemon remove ; update-rc.d daemon start XX 2 3 4 5 . stop XX 0 1 6 . |
| 21:35.57 | esaym153 | Alwayz: it just exits: sudo update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
| 21:35.58 | esaym153 | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 21:36.25 | rudi_s_ | Hm, sshfs -s didn't work, still freezing .. does anybody have another idea? |
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| 21:37.42 | antegallya | esaym153, the new system uses insserv, and the way to manage it is with overrides (afaik) |
| 21:37.51 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 21:38.33 | Alwayz | esaym153 or apt-get install rcconf && rcconf <and disabled mysql> |
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| 21:41.39 | nigihayami | hello, I am working on an arm device running debian |
| 21:41.47 | nigihayami | I need to compile kernel for it |
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| 21:42.28 | nigihayami | what is the subarchitecture type for arm9 |
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| 21:44.13 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 21:44.13 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 21:44.26 | jelly-home | nigihayami: try that channel |
| 21:45.45 | nigihayami | thx |
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| 21:57.22 | vn | hi, whats the proper way to use the --exclude flag in rsync? say I wanna sync /var except /var/log.. |
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| 22:01.20 | rudi_s_ | vn: --exclude log (maybe more options) /var .. (try with --dry-run first as always) |
| 22:02.53 | vn | rudi_s_: no = or ""? right now my line is : /usr/bin/rsync --progress -avzrpogD --numeric-ids --delete --exclude="- /var/log" /var/ $snow/var/ 1>>$LOG/backup-sys6x-var.log 2>>$LOG/backup-sys6x-var.err |
| 22:03.09 | vn | I tried like 10 different ways... |
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| 22:03.32 | vn | man is so unclear about that |
| 22:03.45 | rudi_s_ | vn: Just --exclude log should work |
| 22:04.12 | vn | ok, tks, gonna try that tonight |
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| 22:04.24 | frog | hi, is there something like global spell checker? i mean one for many(all?) applications ? |
| 22:04.25 | rudi_s_ | np |
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| 22:05.57 | vn | rudi_s_: should I use a trailing slash or not? |
| 22:06.00 | vn | log or log/ |
| 22:06.56 | rudi_s_ | vn: Shouldn't matter. |
| 22:07.01 | vn | k |
| 22:07.39 | cusco | hi |
| 22:08.38 | vn | so I got /usr/bin/rsync --progress -avzrpogD --numeric-ids --delete $public/ $bakdata/ --exclude= Z/Zbackups 1>>$LOG/backup-publicq.log 2>>$LOG/backup-publicq.err |
| 22:08.41 | vn | for my 2nd line |
| 22:08.54 | cusco | is it possible to have both ISO's debian-netinst amd64 and debian-netinst i386 in one single cd |
| 22:09.13 | cusco | to be able to chose one of both, that would save me burning another cd |
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| 22:10.55 | mee | you'd have to build a custom iso, so not easily, no |
| 22:11.25 | mee | frog: aspell |
| 22:11.49 | cusco | how would I build such a custom iso |
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| 22:12.00 | simonrvn | !jigdo |
| 22:12.00 | dpkg | jigdo is, like, Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 22:12.08 | mee | oh, wow |
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| 22:12.30 | simonrvn | made one last week |
| 22:12.32 | rudi_s_ | vn: I think you should but the --exclude before the src/dest parts. |
| 22:12.42 | rudi_s_ | And you don't need the = |
| 22:12.49 | vn | ok! |
| 22:13.08 | frog | mee: thanks. btw someone has just recommended me spellcheck. whats better? |
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| 22:13.48 | mee | I'm not familiar with that package, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that it uses aspell |
| 22:14.02 | frog | ah, ok |
| 22:14.09 | frog | thanks mee |
| 22:14.26 | vn | thanks frog |
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| 22:15.36 | Tchaka | how do we unrar rar files which have been splitted in several parts like file.part1.rar file.part2.rar ... ? |
| 22:15.56 | Ergo^ | Tchaka: doesnt fileroller do that for you? |
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| 22:17.27 | Tchaka | Ergo^, the unrar command is not adequate? |
| 22:18.02 | antegallya | Tchaka: I think unrar x <first_file.part1.rar> works |
| 22:18.21 | Ergo^ | Tchaka: im sorry i dont remember the command out of my head but file manager did handle this correctly, so commandline should follow next archives too |
| 22:18.30 | antegallya | (it does it automatically) |
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| 22:21.08 | Tchaka | indeed it worked, thx |
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| 22:27.11 | mns_ | I've got an external hard drive that is connected to my docking station. When I dock my laptop, the drive gets recognised, but I am unable to do anything because permission is denied. I am a part of plugdev group. I am running squeeze, with xfce for my desktop. where do I configure things so that a normal user like myself can have access to the drive once it is mounted automatically. |
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| 22:30.50 | frog | i just try to run a script in irssi. i have put it in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun, but while trying to run it i get an error script not found |
| 22:31.15 | frog | where should i put it? or what am i odoing wring? |
| 22:31.19 | frog | *wrong |
| 22:31.35 | mns_ | frog, the script is in the right location. |
| 22:31.50 | mns_ | I've got scripts in .irssi/scripts/autorun and everything just works. |
| 22:32.10 | frog | hmm, so i am doing something wrong |
| 22:32.17 | mns_ | you may want to check in #irssi |
| 22:32.25 | frog | ok |
| 22:32.37 | mns_ | frog, what's the permission on them ? |
| 22:32.45 | frog | 755 |
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| 22:33.02 | mns_ | I've got 644 and they all run. What's your exact error ? |
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| 22:39.11 | frog | mns_: already fixed. i shouold called it autorun/script |
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| 22:40.02 | mns_ | forg what were you doing before ? |
| 22:41.37 | mns_ | I've got a script called google.pl which is located at ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/google.pl actually its a sym link that points to ~/.irssi/scripts/google.pl and works just fine. |
| 22:41.45 | starenka_ | !dpkg |
| 22:41.45 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 22:41.57 | starenka_ | !dpkgbot |
| 22:41.57 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 22:42.03 | frog | called it /run aspell_complete.pl instead of /run autorun/aspell_complete.pl |
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| 22:42.24 | frog | mns_: sry, it waas for you |
| 22:42.28 | frog | ^^ |
| 22:43.04 | mns_ | frog: ahh you were trying to run it from within irssi. yes from within irssi all paths are relative to ~/.irssi/scripts |
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| 22:44.35 | mns_ | that's why I just use symbolic links: cd autorun ; ln -s ../aspell_complete.pl aspell_complete.pl. that way the scripts are in the ~/.irssi/scripts directory and I never have to type anything but the name from within irssi. |
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| 22:45.11 | starenka_ | what pakcage do i need to build from sid source (use apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; )? i know there's a factioid w/ this, but cant' find it :( |
| 22:45.30 | starenka_ | (hi) |
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| 22:46.12 | frog | mns_: yeah, thanks for clue. the guys in #irrsi told it also |
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| 22:47.37 | mns_ | starenka_, I just do apt-get source packagename; cd packagename ; fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 22:48.09 | mns_ | frog, you're welcome. sorry couldn't help earlier, misunderstood what you were trying to do. |
| 22:48.25 | starenka_ | mns_: yeap, me to +-, but my friends machine refuses to build it, i suspect he's missing some esential build package, but dunno which one :( |
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| 22:49.16 | mns_ | starenka_, I would have thought that apt-get build-dep would install everything that is needed. |
| 22:49.43 | starenka_ | yes, but for the packeg you need, not for itself? |
| 22:50.14 | mns_ | what package are you trying to build ? |
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| 22:51.33 | mns_ | starenka_, n/m I think I know what you are saying. two things you need are debhelper, fakeroot, can't think of anything else. |
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| 22:52.00 | mns_ | also devscripts |
| 22:52.12 | starenka_ | ok, will try (sorry for my english :D). thanks |
| 22:52.34 | mns_ | no worries. |
| 22:52.38 | mns_ | let me know if that works. |
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| 22:54.22 | toolz | anyone any idea why do I get on dmesg, many lines like: [4949925.140885] UDP: short packet: From 93.209.214.148:44035 0/105 to 93.114.50.18:0 |
| 22:54.32 | toolz | but from different ips and on different ips on the block |
| 22:54.37 | toolz | what does it mean exactly |
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| 22:56.24 | jelly-home | toolz: it probably means they're sending you too short udp packets |
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| 22:57.55 | jaggz | in kde, is there an applet or something to change screen resolution faster than going into control panels -> peripherals -> etc. ? |
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| 22:59.46 | toolz | jelly-home, could that sound like an attempt to attack the box or the specified ip? |
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| 23:00.02 | toolz | as sometimes there a a lot of lines from only 1 ip |
| 23:00.21 | jelly-home | toolz: are you running any apps that actually use udp traffic? |
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| 23:00.38 | toolz | jelly-home I run counter-strike servers |
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| 23:01.04 | jelly-home | toolz: are those IPs of otherwise valid clients? |
| 23:02.12 | jelly-home | toolz: it could be anything. Crappy IP stacks, ie. bugs. Or even possible attacks. Hard to say. |
| 23:02.40 | toolz | jelly-home I noted a german IP, and I only host for my country |
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| 23:02.54 | blizzow1 | I'm having trouble with gdkpixbuf applications. For example when I start evolution, I get a bunch of GDK_IS_PIXBUF (pixbuf)' failed errors. You can see the pastebin here.. http://pastebin.com/d78a7fb83 |
| 23:02.54 | blizzow1 | Can someone tell me how to fix this? |
| 23:04.18 | somiaj | blizzow1: do you have gtk2-engines-pixbuf installed? |
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| 23:06.28 | ubd | does mk2fs has an option to fill with all zeros? |
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| 23:07.08 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 23:07.56 | blizzow1 | somiaj: yes, I do. I've even tried reinstalling. |
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| 23:09.16 | somiaj | blizzow1: those errors usually pop up with gtk themes that don't have the right gtk engine dependencies |
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| 23:09.23 | blizzow1 | somiaj: if I try gnome-btdownload, I get: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnomebtdownload/client.py:1408: GtkWarning: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory |
| 23:09.36 | blizzow1 | Is there a simple way to reinstall the entire gnome-desktop? |
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| 23:09.43 | somiaj | blizzow1: maybe try $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0, back it up and use a blank theme |
| 23:09.51 | swayingshmoon | ubd: i don't know the answer to your question, but why would you want a 0 filled fs? |
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| 23:12.39 | Hideo | Tramp! |
| 23:12.57 | Tramp | yes, that's me |
| 23:13.29 | j_14 | Hello. Is it possible to get HTML 5 support in squeeze right now? |
| 23:13.50 | swayingshmoon | heh |
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| 23:14.19 | jelly-home | ubd: no, do a dd before making a fs |
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| 23:15.47 | jelly-home | swayingshmoon: some smart block devices know that blocks full of zeros don't need to take actual physical space |
| 23:16.07 | tola | Hi, I'm in the middle of an Etch -> Lenny upgrade and apt/aptitude is complaining that it can't lock the cache file and tells me to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:16.15 | swayingshmoon | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 23:16.44 | tola | but dpkg says subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 23:17.03 | tola | how can get aptitude up and running again? |
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| 23:22.49 | swayingshmoon | do empty blocks take up physical space? |
| 23:24.29 | \amethyst | swayingshmoon: depends on how they were created |
| 23:24.43 | \amethyst | swayingshmoon: if the application wrote a bunch of zeros, then it will take up space |
| 23:25.11 | \amethyst | swayingshmoon: if the application seek()ed forward over the block, then you have a hole and the block won't actually be allocated |
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| 23:27.11 | swayingshmoon | \amethyst: thank you |
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| 23:27.51 | jelly-home | swayingshmoon: if you have a virtualized device, or a smartass SAN device, a zeroed block might really take no real space |
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| 23:28.31 | swayingshmoon | jelly-home: thank you sir |
| 23:29.10 | jelly-home | zeroing might also help some SSD firmware to do better levelling, but I'm guessing wildly here |
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| 23:51.47 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.24 | d0htem | maybe portscan and see what mac addys come back. not sure if portfowarding will give out that info |
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| 23:53.56 | frog | hmm, ok, i see only 3 opened ports |
| 23:54.06 | d0htem | all came back from same mac ? |
| 23:54.17 | d0htem | nasty nat's these days |
| 23:54.20 | d0htem | hmm |
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| 23:55.10 | frog | d0htem: well. i used nmap... |
| 23:55.33 | frog | not sure what you mean with mac addys... |
| 23:56.22 | d0htem | mac addresses but thats a dumb idea anyways |
| 23:57.29 | frog | yeah.. i mean i got you(that you mean mac addresses). but dont really know how to act |
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| 23:58.29 | Dravekx | hmmm |
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| 23:59.52 | frog | hmm, ok... if for example i wish to use 6881, but it is not in port forwarding range, is there any way to use this service tho? |
