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| 00:02.16 | Dravekx | is vnc the best remote viewer for debian 5? |
| 00:02.29 | blizzow1 | ssh is the best remote viewer. |
| 00:03.05 | blizzow1 | actually, I take that back, a ppp connection to serial port over modem is the best remote viewer. |
| 00:03.36 | blizzow1 | A telescope is a close second, but you have to have line of sight. |
| 00:03.41 | Dravekx | I need something for over internet |
| 00:03.49 | AimHere | I think a .45 revolver pointed at the base of the user's skull and the words 'now type exactly what I'm tell you to type' is the best remote viewer |
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| 00:03.58 | Dravekx | and you cant be funny because Im a newbie. |
| 00:04.03 | Dravekx | lol |
| 00:04.12 | blizzow1 | AimHere: here here! |
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| 00:04.59 | Dravekx | ssh? as in OpenSSH? |
| 00:05.03 | AimHere | Thats' the one |
| 00:05.07 | Dravekx | cool |
| 00:05.12 | AimHere | Depends what exactly you're after |
| 00:05.31 | blizzow1 | Dravekx: VNC is probably easiest for you if you need pretty pictures. |
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| 00:05.55 | Dravekx | I have a new debian server in the office, I want to configure it from my home. |
| 00:06.37 | blizzow1 | If you don't want to install extra software, you can always tunnel your X session over ssh: |
| 00:06.37 | blizzow1 | ssh -X youroffice.computer.ip |
| 00:06.43 | markybob | Dravekx, you shouldn't have X on a server. thus vnc would be pointless |
| 00:06.43 | Dravekx | realVNC? tightVNC? there's tons of those around. |
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| 00:07.10 | blizzow1 | Dravekx: realvnc should be fine for you. |
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| 00:07.55 | Dravekx | what is "X"? |
| 00:08.20 | markybob | Dravekx, are you sure you should be accessing a server? |
| 00:08.23 | Dravekx | is currently reading linux for dummies |
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| 00:08.57 | Dravekx | its a "learning" server... all my environments are Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7 based. |
| 00:09.07 | Dravekx | I'm trying to learn. lol |
| 00:10.01 | blizzow1 | Dravekx: for all intents and purposes, X is the same as running win from c:\ an old DOS based machine with windows3.1 installed on it. |
| 00:10.05 | markybob | Dravekx, then dont make things more complicated than they have to be. install a debian virtual machine on your home computer. then play all you want without messing with vnc, etc |
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| 00:10.35 | Dravekx | oh |
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| 00:11.14 | toolz | how can I check what ports are currently in use on my debian machine |
| 00:11.19 | toolz | in use and whats using them? |
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| 00:11.30 | markybob | toolz, man netstat |
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| 00:12.12 | AimHere | nmap might be handy too |
| 00:12.33 | Dravekx | markybob, the whole future intention is to have a live running linux server with apache. |
| 00:13.04 | ZenWalker | 02:12 -!- dpkg [n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 00:13.10 | ZenWalker | where is the protection antiflood? |
| 00:13.11 | ZenWalker | xD |
| 00:13.11 | blizzow1 | Dravekx: good luck! |
| 00:13.11 | markybob | Dravekx, so? you can do that in a virtual machine. |
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| 00:13.33 | markybob | Dravekx, the vast majority of my servers are virtual machines. |
| 00:14.15 | Dravekx | markybob, a VM on my privately owned desktop or laptop is not my choice which is the reason for the server being with the "other" servers. |
| 00:14.36 | Vasistha | is cfdisk on the net install disk as a livecd recovery tool? |
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| 00:15.09 | AimHere | It ought to be |
| 00:15.12 | AimHere | fdisk at the very least |
| 00:15.43 | AimHere | Difficult to see how you can have a net install disk without some disk partitioner and formatter |
| 00:15.47 | Vasistha | I was disappointed that neithre parted nor ntfsresize was there |
| 00:16.12 | Vasistha | I guess something's gotta go to keep it under 180 MB |
| 00:16.35 | zinx | the net install only has the base system and what's needed for installing it :/ |
| 00:16.41 | zinx | it's not meant as a recovery tool |
| 00:17.12 | Vasistha | ah, right. too bad :P |
| 00:17.41 | zinx | hey, at least it's not the business card version. that one doesn't even have the base system :P |
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| 00:20.10 | Dravekx | RealVNC doesnt have a free version for x64 |
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| 00:21.38 | macrobat | Vasistha: i recommend sysresccd |
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| 00:23.58 | blizzow1 | You sure about that? |
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| 00:24.40 | Dravekx | is the SQL database on debian install the same thing as MySQL? |
| 00:25.20 | bzed | there are a lot of databases in debian |
| 00:25.25 | bzed | mysql is only one of them |
| 00:25.36 | Dravekx | I believe i said on debian "INSTALL" |
| 00:25.39 | bzed | you install what you need/like/want :) |
| 00:26.10 | Dravekx | the install just says "sql server" |
| 00:26.22 | Dravekx | no description |
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| 00:27.40 | markybob | Dravekx, yes, it's mysql |
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| 00:28.31 | Dravekx | ok |
| 00:29.24 | debianman | hi, anyone help me... i have 2 hd's the master is IDE and other SATA where i install winxp (for gaming :P) but grub2 dont make the entrance in grub boot list |
| 00:29.32 | debianman | any? idea |
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| 00:31.07 | debianman | sorry for my english :P |
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| 00:33.39 | hikenboot | hello i found a debian script which i am going to try and adapt to centos and xen domU cloning...its a script that copies an lvm volume for backup purposes. it does somthing i dont understand the necessity of..it requires that the logical volume not be mounted when running..I thought you could take snapshots of volumes that are running? |
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| 00:36.31 | hikenboot | so why would it make this a requirement..if the volume is under heavy use during snapshoting does it have the chance of lossing data? |
| 00:36.38 | hikenboot | s/lossing/loosing |
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| 00:42.06 | sigmonsays | SIlly question here |
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| 00:42.09 | sigmonsays | I am doing dhcp |
| 00:42.20 | sigmonsays | but my system doesn't know its' own hostname :( |
| 00:42.25 | sigmonsays | hostname -s and hostname -f do not work |
| 00:42.28 | sigmonsays | How do I solve this? |
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| 00:47.14 | Dravekx | debian install is stuck at "select and install software"... |
| 00:47.49 | Dravekx | its been there for an hour |
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| 00:49.27 | Dravekx | is there anyway to see whats going on in the background of an install? |
| 00:49.51 | adb | Alt + F4 |
| 00:50.20 | Dravekx | nothing |
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| 00:50.41 | sigmonsays | slaps dhcp client for not settting hostname |
| 00:50.43 | Vasistha | Dravekx: is it waiting for input from you? |
| 00:50.54 | Dravekx | no |
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| 00:51.03 | Vasistha | sigmonsays: man hostname |
| 00:51.13 | Dravekx | Im just going to restart the install |
| 00:51.23 | Vasistha | sounds like a good idea :P too bad |
| 00:51.25 | kr1s | Hi, is it possible to set a sftp folder into the gnome panel "places"? Or mount the folder as normal disk? |
| 00:52.06 | Vasistha | kr1s: I use curlftpfs to mount ftp folders like normal disks. Dunno if it can handle sftp. |
| 00:53.19 | Dravekx | maybe I should leave the domain name blank on install |
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| 00:56.59 | magyar | hi, iceweasel 3.5? |
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| 01:00.09 | samferry | hey guys |
| 01:00.29 | samferry | so for some reason, both of my debian boxes can't retain a dhcp lease for more than a few minutes |
| 01:00.52 | samferry | no idea why - but i haven't changed anything on the systems or the router (pfSense); or at least not that i know of. |
| 01:01.00 | samferry | my windows systems retain a lease fine - any idea what's up? |
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| 01:04.29 | Dravekx | GRRRR |
| 01:04.36 | Dravekx | stupid stupid server |
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| 01:06.05 | Dravekx | doesn netinst take a while? |
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| 01:06.25 | samferry | Dravekx, it's not going to be instant |
| 01:06.49 | Dravekx | my net connection is fast.. so I think its downloading. |
| 01:07.01 | Dravekx | it sucks because you cant tell what its doing |
| 01:07.21 | Dravekx | i stlil have a mouse on graphical install, so I guess its still going |
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| 01:09.14 | Dravekx | can i install it without the desktop environment and then add it later? |
| 01:09.54 | adb | sure |
| 01:10.16 | h3xis | ive been trying to install debian testing/squeeze on multiple computers since july and the install goes fine, but it doesn't actually set up the users or passwords even though it says it does. has anybody else experienced this? |
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| 01:12.47 | Dravekx | ok. hmmm |
| 01:12.52 | Dravekx | must be the server. |
| 01:13.07 | Dravekx | keeps hanging at the same point. |
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| 01:14.21 | Dravekx | 5.0.2 installs fine... 5.0.3 wont install. |
| 01:14.25 | Dravekx | weird |
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| 01:17.18 | Dravekx | ok. scrwe it. back to windows. lol |
| 01:17.27 | Dravekx | thx guys... bye. |
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| 01:29.27 | kr1s | hi, how can i force that a sshfs folder (assigned in fstab) will automaticly created if i have a network connectivity |
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| 01:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | created? |
| 01:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean there is no directory? |
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| 01:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, of course he's gone |
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| 01:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that where I was just about to create such an excellent answer |
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| 01:38.55 | samferry | so |
| 01:39.05 | samferry | does anyone know if there was a new dhclient update that broke something? |
| 01:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably |
| 01:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the bts |
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| 01:40.17 | samferry | anyone have any idea why my debian boxen can't retain a dhcp lease anymore? |
| 01:40.23 | samferry | nothing was changed router-side. |
| 01:40.29 | samferry | or machine-side, for that matter |
| 01:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | again you the way you ask :) |
| 01:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | check your logs |
| 01:41.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or run dhclient manually, sounds like a short lease time and a bad wireless connection |
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| 01:42.38 | kr1s | I need to start a script if i get a network connection and start another script if i lost it. How do i do that? |
| 01:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are again |
| 01:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man interfaces" search for post-up |
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| 01:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, you didn't leave, I just typed kri[tab], that fooled me |
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| 01:51.04 | icemon | Help, I formatted the volume that had /boot on it and then overwrote it with pornography |
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| 01:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think we provide that kind of help |
| 01:56.51 | markybob | though we have much experience with porn...you're out of luck :P you cant simply restore an overwritten partition in ext3 |
| 01:57.03 | markybob | or most filesystems, for that matter |
| 01:57.15 | icemon | yeah, i was hoping i could rebuild it |
| 01:57.18 | icemon | reinstall the kernel and such |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | try a livecd .. reformat /boot/ partition, reinstall a working kernel, and your bootloader |
| 01:58.09 | icemon | the machine's still on |
| 01:58.26 | icemon | i could probably go for months like this as long as no kernel upgrades come around |
| 01:58.57 | icemon | do you knkow how the keys are stored on a LUKS volume? |
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| 01:59.51 | icemon | it would probably be easier for me just to reinstall but i'd like to do it the hard way |
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| 02:01.46 | icemon | what will happen if i umount /boot? |
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| 02:03.29 | gnarface | uh |
| 02:03.32 | gnarface | almost nothing, i think |
| 02:03.41 | icemon | ok |
| 02:04.03 | gnarface | i've never tried it but unmounting /boot after boot is considered basic security, commonly |
| 02:04.07 | gnarface | isn't it? |
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| 02:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:04.22 | markybob | heh |
| 02:04.30 | icemon | the new /boot partition is going to be a usb key, and debian wants to name it /dev/sdf |
| 02:04.34 | flaccid | how in a script can i do install of apache2 non-interactive ie. no debconf prompts ? |
| 02:04.53 | icemon | i need it to be /dev/sdd |
| 02:04.53 | icemon | i can't just mv it, can I? |
| 02:05.04 | markybob | gnarface, you should sue whoever told you that |
| 02:05.15 | gnarface | really? |
| 02:05.18 | gnarface | how come? |
| 02:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !udev rules |
| 02:05.20 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 02:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | why the hell would you want /boot to be on an usb key, though |
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| 02:05.49 | icemon | so i can accidentally trash it again |
| 02:05.49 | gnarface | so the computer doesn't boot without it? |
| 02:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, my point exactly... |
| 02:06.13 | gnarface | well that might be considered a feature |
| 02:06.21 | icemon | yeah, what if i'm paranoid |
| 02:06.27 | markybob | gnarface, no, it can still boot. it'd just take a little work. if you want it not to boot, you use crypt to require a password or key |
| 02:06.29 | j_14 | flaccid: have you tried using the --yes option ? |
| 02:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, let me visit you and your harddisk with my hammer if that's a feature :) |
| 02:06.37 | flaccid | j_14: nope |
| 02:06.55 | icemon | this is for a crypto filesystem too |
| 02:06.56 | icemon | :D |
| 02:06.57 | markybob | gnarface, wrong way to accomplish it, is all. rather pointless |
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| 02:07.04 | flaccid | j_14: well -y but that doesn't handle the debconf |
| 02:07.32 | j_14 | flaccid: ohh i see |
| 02:08.31 | gnarface | well you can see how it would be useful for keeping out young children |
| 02:08.49 | markybob | gnarface, no. you wanna keep out young children? use bios password |
| 02:09.03 | markybob | gnarface, wrong tools for the wrong jobs |
| 02:09.16 | gnarface | well i stand corrected in both cases |
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| 02:09.40 | icemon | in light of gnarface's failure here i think i'm just going to reinstall and put /boot on a hard disk this time |
| 02:10.09 | icemon | thanks for helping, though |
| 02:10.13 | icemon | and PM me for some porn, i guess |
| 02:10.23 | gnarface | it was your dumb idea :-p i was just being supportive |
| 02:10.48 | icemon | hehe |
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| 02:15.13 | shawn_ | Hello guys |
| 02:15.20 | shawn_ | Is there a Debian server edition? |
| 02:15.47 | markybob | shawn_, no. debian is not retarded. |
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| 02:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tought Debian was Ubuntus Server edition |
| 02:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 02:18.11 | markybob | shawn_, meaning that vanilla debian doesnt make stupid decisions which make it good for one and not the other. debian is meant to be solid, secure and stable. doesnt matter if you're running a server or desktop. if you're running debian, it's trustworthy |
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| 02:20.13 | markybob | shawn_, and yes, ubuntu "server" is just as insecure as ubuntu "desktop". http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7297 if you dont belive me |
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| 02:20.42 | shawn_ | markybob Im not saying for security Im talking about an OS without all the graphical crap installed to slow it down |
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| 02:21.35 | markybob | shawn_, ...debian's netinst is 180MB. no graphics...no anything, besides bare essentials to run linux |
| 02:22.15 | shawn_ | markybob so is that not a server edition? |
| 02:22.34 | j_14 | Is there an equivalent /etc/network/interfaces file for iproute2 tools? Or maybe the question should be: is there is a program to manage interfaces according to the /etc/network/interfaces file using iproute2 tools? |
| 02:22.41 | markybob | shawn_, no. there is no server/desktop/workstation distinction. period |
| 02:22.58 | shawn_ | markybob But there is a version without graphical stuff installed? |
| 02:23.11 | markybob | shawn_, you can install a full gnome desktop from the netinst disk. it just doesnt come with it, so you'll need to download it from within the installer |
| 02:23.26 | j_14 | shawn_: you have the option of not installing X, there is no separate version without X |
| 02:23.34 | markybob | shawn_, jesus. yes. you install what you want and only that with netinst. |
| 02:24.12 | shawn_ | What is netinst |
| 02:24.50 | markybob | shawn_, learn to google. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 02:25.05 | quagga | shawn_: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 02:25.40 | shawn_ | Is the debian command line identical to the ubuntu CLI? |
| 02:26.26 | macrobat | you can use bash like in ubuntu |
| 02:26.30 | markybob | shawn_, they both use bash and have the same package management system |
| 02:26.31 | j_14 | shawn_: they both use bash as the default interactive shell |
| 02:26.36 | MisterN_ | shawn_: some commands are different. |
| 02:26.53 | shawn_ | And are the directories mapped the same way almost? |
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| 02:27.08 | markybob | shawn_, yes, it's called posix |
| 02:27.21 | shawn_ | Ive just never ever used Debian but installing Ubuntu Server is giving me error after error |
| 02:27.22 | MisterN_ | FHS is in POSIX? |
| 02:27.25 | shawn_ | So Im thinking of switching over |
| 02:27.34 | jetscreamer | strangely enough, ubuntu is modified debian sid |
| 02:27.54 | markybob | jetscreamer, what about that is strange? |
| 02:27.56 | shawn_ | So Debian uses apt as well? |
| 02:28.00 | macrobat | some directories are different. kernels are named other things. i think 32 bit stuff for 64 bit installs differ |
| 02:28.05 | quagga | shawn_: i find it is easy enough to switch back and forth between ubuntu and debian. the changes are usually fairly minor and if you use one, the other is not that difficult |
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| 02:28.18 | markybob | shawn_, yes! ubuntu copied all good things from debian and fucked the rest up |
| 02:28.30 | jetscreamer | sorry i can't explain the (sarcasm?) |
| 02:28.37 | markybob | shawn_, ubuntu is based on debian, not the other way around. |
| 02:28.45 | shawn_ | markybob I knew that |
| 02:28.57 | shawn_ | Do you guys like hate Ubuntu users :O |
| 02:29.02 | shawn_ | Seems to be a lot of anger |
| 02:29.07 | jetscreamer | i don't, personally |
| 02:29.11 | jetscreamer | just #ubuntu |
| 02:29.15 | krisfremen | i hate ubuntu |
| 02:29.24 | quagga | shrug depending on the system i am an ubuntu user |
| 02:29.25 | krisfremen | with all my passion |
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| 02:29.46 | markybob | shawn_, i'm tired of stupid questions. if you dont know that apt-get works in debian, then i question why you havent tried it yourself instead of wasting our time with easy questions that you could've figured out on your own |
| 02:29.55 | quagga | i do prefer the debian swirl to the ubuntu circle ... |
| 02:29.56 | jetscreamer | debian is being taken over by ubuntu devs afaict |
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| 02:30.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: hardly |
| 02:30.09 | jetscreamer | that's a generalization |
| 02:31.06 | jetscreamer | really? oh i guess multiple releases with grave/critical show stopping bugs is usual |
| 02:31.33 | shawn_ | God I already see why they say the Ubuntu community is more friendly |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | supposedly they were going to fix those for .1 |
| 02:31.49 | jetscreamer | what? we are very helpful |
| 02:31.57 | jetscreamer | do you need assistance? |
| 02:32.01 | markybob | shawn_, and exceptionally ignorant |
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| 02:32.24 | shawn_ | markybob if you think my questions are dumb dont answer them |
| 02:32.36 | shawn_ | markybob Im not wasting "your" time your answering by choice |
| 02:32.45 | jetscreamer | ok NOBODY spam !smart questions ok? |
| 02:32.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:32.59 | markybob | shawn_, i answered all of your questions. |
| 02:33.01 | macrobat | i like the forums.debian.net better than the ubuntuforums, meh |
| 02:33.19 | quagga | actually, i think it is your there. you are time doesn't make sense? |
| 02:33.20 | shawn_ | markybob Not saying you didn't |
| 02:33.37 | jetscreamer | we love converts |
| 02:33.48 | jetscreamer | !love shawn_ |
| 02:33.48 | dpkg | makes love to shawn_, caressing shawn_'s hair, whispering sweet nothings in shawn_'s ear... |
| 02:33.52 | jetscreamer | see? |
| 02:33.57 | phobos_anomaly | lol |
| 02:34.04 | quagga | jetscreamer: ok now that justs creepy |
| 02:34.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:34.56 | Tramp | quagga: the 2nd your (the one in front of "answering") |
| 02:35.20 | quagga | Tramp: doh, touche |
| 02:35.49 | jetscreamer | seriously: yes, afaik ubuntu uses basically the same stuff, including bash |
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| 02:36.09 | jetscreamer | you can change your bash to dash or whatever you like though |
| 02:36.24 | quagga | has anybody had any luck with the ath9k drivers? mine seem to drop out whenever any volume is pushed through the interface. it just dies. |
| 02:36.25 | macrobat | ubuntu uses startup instead of inittab and stuffs |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | not bash to dash .. sh to dash |
| 02:36.34 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:36.36 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 02:36.51 | abrotman | macrobat: upstart ? |
| 02:36.57 | jetscreamer | yeah some stuff is different... locales for one, iirc |
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| 02:37.04 | markybob | meaning it's only for scripts... |
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| 02:37.12 | jetscreamer | or the configuration thereof |
| 02:37.16 | macrobat | abrotman: yes, i got it on backwards |
| 02:37.24 | quagga | debian has ports ubuntu doesn't have and ubuntu has some which debian doesn't have |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | it's for scripts that call /bin/sh .. instead of an explicit shell |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | macrobat: and debian has begun switching toward something similar |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | quagga: really, which port does ubuntu have that debian doesn't? |
| 02:38.07 | jetscreamer | what port does ubuntu have that debian doesn't |
| 02:38.10 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 02:38.13 | quagga | abrotman: lpia (if you consider that a port) |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | i don't think that's considered a "port" |
| 02:38.46 | jetscreamer | i don't even know what that is |
| 02:38.53 | quagga | well its on ports.ubuntu :) |
| 02:38.54 | markybob | ubuntu installation guid |
| 02:38.57 | markybob | guide* |
| 02:39.05 | quagga | jetscreamer: Low Power Intel Arch. netbooks basically |
| 02:39.22 | jetscreamer | oh that atom stuff? |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | quagga: you mean the netbook remix? that's not exactly a port |
| 02:39.27 | jetscreamer | or is that different |
| 02:39.44 | quagga | abrotman: no, there is a different compilation of packages |
| 02:40.09 | quagga | http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/karmic/main/installer-lpia/ |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | quagga: different flags .. but still x86 |
| 02:40.40 | quagga | it gets treated like x86 or amd64, etc. you can modify a x86 .deb to work but not by default |
| 02:40.41 | jetscreamer | looks funny at the guy with the link |
| 02:40.43 | quagga | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | quagga: so not technically a port |
| 02:40.55 | jetscreamer | pay no attention to me |
| 02:41.02 | jetscreamer | as usual |
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| 02:41.32 | quagga | abrotman: i would agree however ubuntu marks its as a port |
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| 02:41.49 | jetscreamer | hey did we answer shawn_'s question? are you a satisfied customer, shawn_? |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | quagga: that's their problem .. it's not a different architecture .. not a port |
| 02:42.13 | sepult` | is there a way to boot up from init 1 onwwards into a |
| 02:42.13 | sepult` | debian-system on a chroot ? |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | telinit |
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| 02:42.33 | abrotman | if you've done the chroot 'correctly' i suppose |
| 02:42.45 | jetscreamer | _lilo: chose a diff nick eh |
| 02:42.51 | _lilo | eh? |
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| 02:43.07 | jetscreamer | sad memories |
| 02:43.17 | sepult` | abrotman: after chrooting and establishing a getty ? |
| 02:43.24 | jetscreamer | only a few miles from me too |
| 02:43.42 | _lilo | oh that fat fuck who got his brains splattered on the concrete like an egg in a pan? |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | hey .. not nice |
| 02:43.47 | _lilo | dont worry i got nothin to do w/ him |
| 02:43.53 | jetscreamer | yeah.. oh he was fat? |
| 02:44.09 | sepult` | abrotman: or like 1:123 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt /sbin/getty 38400 |
| 02:44.09 | sepult` | tty1 or so ? |
| 02:44.09 | sepult` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.13 | _lilo | jetscreamer: no |
| 02:44.14 | _lilo | he wasnt |
| 02:44.17 | sepult` | in my inittab ? |
| 02:44.17 | sepult` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.20 | jetscreamer | watch your language young man |
| 02:44.20 | _lilo | but its fun to say |
| 02:44.31 | jetscreamer | why is it fun.. you must be young |
| 02:44.52 | _lilo | that is ageism |
| 02:44.54 | _lilo | btw |
| 02:44.55 | _lilo | and it's rude |
| 02:44.58 | shawn_ | jetscreamer if Im going to be able to set up a Debian server |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | _lilo: do you have a Debian question>? |
| 02:45.07 | shawn_ | jetscreamer Im just not sure* |
| 02:45.08 | _lilo | http://geekfriendly.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/lilo.jpg |
| 02:45.10 | _lilo | do you see this |
| 02:45.15 | _lilo | this is a fat disgusting kike |
| 02:45.15 | _lilo | ok |
| 02:45.15 | abrotman | _lilo: do you have a Debian question>? |
| 02:45.18 | _lilo | the fact that he is dead |
| 02:45.20 | _lilo | is a great thing |
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| 02:45.28 | markybob | abrotman, please |
| 02:45.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-98-110-95-2.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] by abrotman |
| 02:45.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 02:45.36 | markybob | abrotman, thank you |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | _lilo: you've been silienced for 10 minutes for being a jerk |
| 02:46.41 | jetscreamer | shawn_: many ppl do it everyday (least i think so) so you probably should be able to.. esp with all this expertise at your ... (ok not command but available on request) |
| 02:47.11 | jetscreamer | shawn_: being a server is really just about which packages you have installed |
| 02:47.15 | shawn_ | jetscreamer Im just finding the site very confusing... Theres different installs every or so it seems |
| 02:47.27 | shawn_ | everywhere* |
| 02:47.50 | jetscreamer | what arch? (what processor basically) |
| 02:48.03 | quagga | shawn_: if you do a net install and don't select any packages, you basically get the shell of a debian system. what you built it into from there is just a matter of what packages you install |
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| 02:49.13 | shawn_ | quagga Gotcha but I have no idea what a net install is... Ive always just downloaded ISOs? |
| 02:49.25 | macrobat | it is an iso |
| 02:49.33 | markybob | shawn_, i linked you to the netinst information page... |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | if it's already installed, he shouldnb't have to reinstall |
| 02:50.12 | jetscreamer | it just a basic installer, and instead of d/l'ing an iso, you just d/l the packages you want/need while installing |
| 02:50.36 | shawn_ | Ohhh |
| 02:50.39 | quagga | shawn_: i do a netinstall (network install) because i have a netbook. so i download two small files and boot the laptop from it, and then download the rest of the packages from the net. you can also do the same by getting the debian iso and when it boots, do a command line install i gather |
| 02:50.40 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:56.51 | shawn_ | Do Ubuntu and Debian use the same repos? |
| 02:56.59 | Hideo | no |
| 02:57.18 | Hideo | well I dunno, never used ubuntu =P |
| 02:57.23 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | no, not even close |
| 02:57.52 | Hideo | I was right! |
| 02:57.58 | jetscreamer | do not mix ubuntu and debian packages.. you 'can' screw your system up |
| 02:57.59 | abrotman | wonders how Hideo wandered over here ... |
| 02:58.05 | jetscreamer | not always, but can |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | no .. you will screw up your system |
| 02:58.14 | Hideo | abrotman: I hit the random button ok? |
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| 02:58.32 | Hideo | just like the yes/no button, 50% chance |
| 02:58.45 | jetscreamer | well, more like 85-95% |
| 02:59.03 | jetscreamer | i'm just saying not 'always'.. just usually :) |
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| 02:59.29 | Hideo | well actually I'm here b/c it's supposed to not be the official Debian channel, people are less uptight |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | heh .. sure |
| 02:59.44 | jetscreamer | this is the original |
| 02:59.53 | jetscreamer | i don't /join that poser channel |
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| 03:00.02 | Hideo | haha |
| 03:00.30 | jetscreamer | course, i think dselect is the best, too, so.... |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | Hideo: just wait til you realize the -offtopic channel here actually has traffic :) |
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| 03:00.44 | jetscreamer | well not atm, they frigged it up in sid atm |
| 03:01.00 | jetscreamer | it's stil the best even broken |
| 03:01.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: better than the dmcrypt/gnome stuff ... |
| 03:01.13 | Hideo | abrotman: I'm joined to too many channels already, thanks alot x_x |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:01.29 | jetscreamer | is way over the 20 chan freenode limit |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | no such thing |
| 03:02.14 | jetscreamer | there was.. are you saying it is no more? |
| 03:02.30 | jetscreamer | i had to make a special request.. actually, yes it's still there |
| 03:02.46 | jetscreamer | sometimes my client borks or something and i don't /join them all |
| 03:02.52 | jetscreamer | not often though |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | there are lots of people way over 20 channels |
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| 03:03.17 | jetscreamer | you just have to ask in #freenode or send an email or something |
| 03:04.33 | jetscreamer | and give a reason |
| 03:04.42 | jetscreamer | (iirc, been a while |
| 03:04.44 | jetscreamer | ) |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | try again |
| 03:05.05 | jetscreamer | try what |
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| 03:07.20 | jetscreamer | [22.06.30] <jetscreamer> hey is there still a limit on the # of channels you can join by default, that you can ask to have lifted, or is that a thing of the past? |
| 03:07.20 | jetscreamer | [22.06.38] <youmaynotsee> 20 |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | lies! |
| 03:08.25 | jetscreamer | i'm too lazy to lie |
| 03:08.40 | jetscreamer | i'd rather just admit when i'm worng |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | you're from texas . not possible |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | hides |
| 03:09.04 | Hideo | haha |
| 03:09.04 | jetscreamer | that was in #freenode btw |
| 03:09.31 | jetscreamer | young texans love to tell tall tales, it's true :) |
| 03:09.44 | jetscreamer | i'm old broken down decrepid |
| 03:09.52 | jetscreamer | sp on that last word |
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| 03:19.35 | swayingshmoon | old guys hold the keys |
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| 03:21.28 | zcat[1] | trying to do a PXE install. I have a dhcp/tftp server on the same network, control of power/reset and serial connection to /dev/ttyS0 (via iLO) but nothing else. No physical access. How do I make this work? |
| 03:22.59 | swayingshmoon | the old guys loved this stuff when things were monochrome and megabyte increments were amazing and there were baud rates. now, the people who love it seem to be into it because the graphics are cool |
| 03:23.02 | zcat[1] | yes I found out about preseed... I still have to select 'automatic' install and configure the network via an interface I can't get to remotely. |
| 03:25.06 | swayingshmoon | yes, i like computers. no, i can't make you an ogre/mage hybrid |
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| 03:25.12 | swayingshmoon | i don't even know what that means |
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| 03:28.51 | MJD | zcat[1]: Change the boot parameters to include "console=ttyS0" (w/o quotes) |
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| 03:29.09 | MJD | i checked quickly with qemu, it seems to work ok. |
| 03:29.13 | zcat[1] | change them where? |
| 03:29.58 | zcat[1] | /var/lib/tftpboot/?? or in dhcpd? |
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| 03:30.09 | phlux | what package contains "killall"? |
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| 03:30.17 | MJD | It would be something in the tftp files |
| 03:30.24 | MJD | I think its in the pxe config file. |
| 03:31.32 | Hideo | phlux: use apt-file to find out |
| 03:31.35 | zcat[1] | there's a lot of pxe config that I don't understand.. I can't find anything that looks like kernel parameters. give me a bit more of a clue? |
| 03:31.45 | phlux | psmisc :P |
| 03:31.47 | phlux | thanks |
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| 03:32.53 | MJD | i'm trying to setup something to test. I haven't done any pxe boot installs in a few years, so I'm not sure how it would work. |
| 03:33.33 | zcat[1] | somewhere in debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/ is my guess, but I'm really struggling to understand any of this |
| 03:36.25 | MJD | in the file debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/txt.cfg, modify the append line to include console=ttyS0 |
| 03:36.43 | zcat[1] | ok, done that... |
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| 03:39.09 | MJD | alright, so now if you make the remote system boot off this now, when the installer start it should display on the first serial line. |
| 03:39.29 | MJD | You probably have to hit enter though, not sure how to fix that (yet) |
| 03:40.10 | zcat[1] | nope, can't see or press anything.. stuck at gui menu, can't select 'txt' |
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| 03:44.19 | zcat[1] | I wonder if I can't just set up locally and pxe-boot clonezilla instead |
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| 03:48.28 | MJD | zcat[1]: ok, this should work now. Modify debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/menu.cfg , and add as the first line serial 0 |
| 03:48.38 | MJD | that gives me a list on a serial port. |
| 03:50.53 | zcat[1] | trying that now |
| 03:52.18 | zcat[1] | not seeing anything .. got to go out anyhow.. have a think about it I'll come back and bug you more in a bit.. |
| 03:52.49 | MJD | ok |
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| 04:10.19 | McL0VIN | ok, i am planning to reinstall my system, how to i list what pkgs i have installed in my current system |
| 04:11.12 | gnarface | dpkg -l |
| 04:11.12 | dpkg | gnarface: wish i knew |
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| 04:11.35 | krisfremen | lol |
| 04:12.03 | gnarface | i'm sure markybob would disagree and call me a failure for saying so though |
| 04:12.07 | gnarface | might want to ask around McL0VIN |
| 04:12.20 | shawn_ | So what makes Debian better than Ubuntu? |
| 04:12.26 | gnarface | less noobs |
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| 04:14.59 | Tramp | !tell McL0VIN -about debian clone |
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| 04:21.45 | hark | shawn_: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 04:23.46 | shawn_ | hark in bash? |
| 04:24.32 | hark | shawn_: here, dpkg is a bot |
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| 04:26.47 | zezu | why is flashplugin-nonfree in backports for amd64 ? |
| 04:27.15 | zcat[1] | back |
| 04:27.41 | hark | zezu: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 04:28.12 | hark | !dbugs 457291 |
| 04:28.17 | dpkg | DONE:#457291:N[flashplugin-nonfree] flashplugin-nonfree: decision 2007-12-21: keep this package out of stable starting with lenny (); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:21:04 UTC [] |
| 04:29.10 | zezu | i see |
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| 04:29.41 | MJD | zcat[1]:My only guess is the serial port isn't COM0. otherwise I'm not sure y it doesn't work. Sry. |
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| 04:30.23 | cesurasean | I'm trying to use nxclient for my debian box, but I keep getting this error message when trying to connect on port 22. "bad display name "debian:1020" in "add" command". |
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| 04:31.11 | zcat[1] | you think 'serial 1' might work? if it's ttyS1 |
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| 04:33.46 | MJD | probably |
| 04:34.39 | cesurasean | I'm trying to use nxclient for my debian box, but I keep getting this error message when trying to connect on port 22. "bad display name "debian:1020" in "add" command". |
| 04:34.56 | cesurasean | can anyone help me? nxclient won't connect correctly, and I'm not really sure why not. |
| 04:36.29 | zcat[1] | nope |
| 04:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nxclient? |
| 04:39.10 | MJD | do you know if the dhcp/tftp servers are setup properly? |
| 04:40.17 | cesurasean | yes |
| 04:40.30 | zcat[1] | I can do an install on the console down here (I have an identical server to the remote one for testing) |
| 04:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like an error either from "xauth add [...]" (or less likely xhost) |
| 04:41.05 | zcat[1] | OK, just booted another blade and the login is on ttyS0 so that's the serial port I have access to |
| 04:42.01 | McL0VIN | is there is an iso for the new relase? where can i get it, i am looking at debian.org i think i am missing it |
| 04:42.05 | MJD | do you know if the blade you are trying to install on is properly booting otherwise? |
| 04:42.30 | zcat[1] | yes it's booting into a GUI menu screen |
| 04:42.42 | zcat[1] | .. which I can't see on the iLO serial console |
| 04:42.59 | McL0VIN | found it |
| 04:43.11 | McL0VIN | i was looking in a different section |
| 04:43.40 | MJD | did you add that extra line to the top of the file? The very top of it? |
| 04:44.13 | zcat[1] | very first line is 'serial 0' then a blank line then the rest of the file.. no blank line perhaps? |
| 04:44.31 | MJD | i doubt thats the problem. |
| 04:44.44 | McL0VIN | damn 4hrs to download small cd?! |
| 04:45.02 | MJD | i did test that line, it worked ok in a vm. |
| 04:45.43 | zcat[1] | hang on, I have an idea.. |
| 04:46.35 | zcat[1] | nope... I commented out preseed in the dhcpcd conf |
| 04:46.46 | zcat[1] | err dhcpd.conf I mean |
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| 04:48.12 | McL0VIN | Tramp: thank you |
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| 04:48.58 | MJD | one thing I could suggest checking is the baud rates and other such settings. I'm not sure what they are by default. |
| 04:49.58 | zcat[1] | it's a virtual serial port so it probably shouldn't matter even |
| 04:50.42 | swayingshmoon | heh |
| 04:51.04 | MJD | it might though based on how its wired up. Not sure how iLO is connected internally. |
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| 04:51.19 | MJD | iLO might expect a certain set of settings. |
| 04:53.22 | zcat[1] | what are the standard speeds .. 11xxx? |
| 04:53.35 | MJD | i don't off the top of my head |
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| 04:53.43 | zcat[1] | 115200 or something? |
| 04:54.05 | MJD | it probably in the docs somewhere |
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| 04:55.25 | john38 | Debian x86 (32bit) can support xeon quad core? will it see 4 processor? |
| 04:55.33 | zcat[1] | I'll try 19200 if that fails I'll check the manual ;) |
| 04:55.47 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone! I worked on a package. It builds perfectly and is (i think) ready for testing. But for the place I want to upload this I will need to add a *_sources.changes file. But I didnt think of that in the first place, unfortunately. And this applicatiion got packaged the first time any kind of advice how to fix that? |
| 04:56.15 | zcat[1] | Ohhhh, I get garbage ... so it's doung the serial thing but it wants the correct speed |
| 04:57.06 | xxtjaxx | john38, sure it will see. But you will just be supprised by applications that are running ,ultithreaded on full throttle bitching up your CPU usage up to 400% |
| 04:57.08 | xxtjaxx | :) |
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| 04:58.16 | john38 | xxtjaxx: why is this? |
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| 04:58.44 | zcat[1] | 115200 |
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| 04:59.58 | zcat[1] | ok, got the menu on screen.. chose install, no installer ;) |
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| 05:00.13 | MJD | does it load the initrd? |
| 05:00.38 | swayingshmoon | multithreading is for pros. i don't even consider threads. |
| 05:00.48 | zcat[1] | dunno, have to run out to the shed (the local test server isn't particularly local either) |
| 05:01.14 | MJD | on the serial console, when you choose install, it should say loading initrd. does it do that? |
| 05:01.47 | zcat[1] | I think I know what I need to do now anyhow, serial=ttyS0,115200 or something back in txt.cfg |
| 05:02.11 | swayingshmoon | i can regulate some of the flow by using blocks, i can't weave intricate solutions to problems that can withstand varying logics |
| 05:02.16 | zcat[1] | console= sorry |
| 05:02.27 | MJD | probably |
| 05:02.41 | zcat[1] | gotta try and keep track of all this so I can document it for the nexy guy |
| 05:02.51 | MJD | lol |
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| 05:03.33 | zcat[1] | the other problem is that when I do 'reboot bay 3' it sends a shutdown and if nothing responds it waits 5 minutes before forcing a reboot.. |
| 05:03.54 | zcat[1] | so this is a bit of a slow process |
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| 05:11.51 | zcat[1] | I appear to be in the installer!!! |
| 05:12.34 | MJD | thats good. have fun then, i've g2g now. |
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| 05:16.33 | phlux | hmm |
| 05:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh |
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| 05:17.43 | phlux | indeed |
| 05:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | deedni |
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| 05:17.59 | phlux | you don't say |
| 05:18.13 | icemon | yas t`nod ouy |
| 05:18.24 | mhymn | fail |
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| 05:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets watch paint dry for a bit |
| 05:19.43 | phlux | lets |
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| 05:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, the the suspense is killing me |
| 05:20.56 | swayingshmoon | where is the manual installed? |
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| 05:21.14 | jill | hi |
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| 05:44.19 | _Trinity_ | hey all |
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| 05:44.52 | _Trinity_ | I'm back, ye all hear? |
| 05:47.33 | krisfremen | shhh |
| 05:47.36 | krisfremen | we're sleepin' |
| 05:47.57 | _Trinity_ | lol |
| 05:48.30 | Vasistha | friday night, not the best time to find help. But if you ask then someone might respond eventually. |
| 05:50.12 | krisfremen | indeed |
| 05:51.07 | krisfremen | gawd, she's terrible |
| 05:51.16 | krisfremen | oops, wrong channel |
| 05:51.30 | _Trinity_ | oops |
| 05:51.45 | krisfremen | so what is troubling you _Trinity_? |
| 05:51.54 | _Trinity_ | firestarter |
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| 05:52.53 | krisfremen | what about it? |
| 05:53.03 | _Trinity_ | on shutdown, it shuts down bu then it says it;s starting up again |
| 05:53.37 | _Trinity_ | I'm referring to the shutdown output onscreen display |
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| 05:53.57 | _Trinity_ | anyway, is that normal? Why would it be trying to start up again? |
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| 05:54.41 | _Trinity_ | The thing is my computer likes to reboot rather than shutdown when told to halt |
| 05:55.42 | krisfremen | i rarely reboot my computer... |
| 05:55.51 | krisfremen | my main computer that is |
| 05:56.01 | _Trinity_ | and I'm wondering if it could be related to that. To be honest, I read that some firewall settings if not configured properly can have this effectm but in reference to the droping of unsolicited packets |
| 05:56.26 | Thrae | Anyone have experience with IPv6 / 6to4? I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 on my Lenny router, but I'm getting "Operation not permitted" from ping6 when I try any IPv6 websites. All my gigabit NICs support IPv6, and Verizon gives me an IPv6 address. |
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| 05:57.01 | _Trinity_ | and Ive disabled the drop unsolicited packet and it seems to help but this computer still sometimes reboots rather than halting |
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| 06:01.24 | _Trinity_ | could be akernal issue too. The tried and tested work around is to unplug the usb keyboard right after issuing the shutdown --a pain in the ***. There's been some talk about it being the power button issuing a boot signal. So the best option may be to just buy another usb keyboard without a power button |
| 06:01.34 | Thrae | _Trinity_: Sometimes there's a setting in the BIOS to change the behavior of what Linux sends as the 'halt' command (possibly the same behavior as the power button). My Debian router powers itself down when I give 'halt', while my new Ubuntu server just sits there (my old one would reboot). |
| 06:01.36 | _Trinity_ | but I don't wan to |
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| 06:02.47 | _Trinity_ | that would be "open firmware" in my case |
| 06:03.24 | _Trinity_ | one report did mention that the problem started when he updated the open firmware with an apple update |
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| 06:04.30 | _Trinity_ | so what you're saying might have relevance. The fix might be to change firmware settings. I suppose they could be corrupt too and I used to know how to reset them to factory defaults |
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| 06:04.59 | _Trinity_ | so I could try that before fiddlling around with adjusting them |
| 06:06.33 | _Trinity_ | thanks, you gave me something to work on --a lead |
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| 06:07.34 | _Trinity_ | still OS X shutsdown fine and I imagine the shutdown command/routine shuold be simmilar |
| 06:07.57 | _Trinity_ | that when I had OS X installed |
| 06:08.32 | Thrae | Yeah, newer boards, especially server boards, are getting more involved in power states and sometimes doing different behavior. My newest computer, Intel Core i7 on an EVGA Board, will actually completely power off no matter what command you give it from any operating system if it gets to a high enough power state before you tell it to reboot. It's not configured to do a "soft reboot", and but I don't care enough to change it. |
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| 06:20.37 | _Trinity_ | g'night |
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| 06:35.15 | sauvin | What package is fsck.vfat part of? |
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| 06:35.50 | rww | sauvin: dosfstools |
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| 06:36.37 | sauvin | rww, thanks |
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| 06:41.42 | Vasistha | sauvin: you might do better with mtools |
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| 06:42.47 | sauvin | My daughter, who is a couple of time zones away, couldn't do an fsck.vfat on a large USB drive. |
| 06:44.48 | freespace | i won't love her /sheldon |
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| 06:54.13 | sauvin | !@#$@# people using 500GB usb drives under Debian Lenny but leaving them formatted VFAT and then bugging ME about how to fix the !@#$@#% things |
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| 06:57.01 | ectropy | I must be confused here... for a non-net install, amd64 5.0.3 _requires_ 31 cds? |
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| 06:57.26 | fale | Hi |
| 06:57.37 | ectropy | hey, thre. |
| 06:57.46 | rww | ectropy: no. most people (including normal desktop installs) require 1. the 31 CDs contain all software in the repos |
| 06:58.15 | fale | I downloaded the package libboost1.40-dev from debian and I tried to compile it on ubuntu without any result :( Any idea on the cause of this? |
| 06:58.24 | ectropy | rww, so if I have an Intel Core 2 Duo, which .iso do I download? |
| 06:58.41 | rww | ectropy: if you want 64-bit, lenny, and GNOME, debian-503-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 06:59.02 | ectropy | rww, thank you. Will report back. |
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| 07:01.55 | ectropy | I have a Broadcom BCM43xx chipset for my wireless card. Does CD1 include a compatible driver? |
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| 07:02.56 | ectropy | note: the netinstall .iso did not recognize my wireless card. |
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| 07:03.17 | fale | ectropy: no, it shouldn't |
| 07:03.31 | switchgirlEEE | notes a logo thief |
| 07:03.47 | switchgirlEEE | http://www.logodesignlove.com/images/negative/elefont-logo-design.jpg << they stole your logo |
| 07:03.48 | rww | wifi (with rtl8187) in Debian installer has never worked properly for me, though it works fine after install |
| 07:03.51 | fale | ectropy: the problem with that hw is not the driver, but the firmware |
| 07:04.05 | powertool08 | I did a system update the other day and now my file permissions on my external are messed up causing permission denied errors. How do I fix it? chmod, even as root, doesn't change the permissions. I'm using sid with xfce if it helps. |
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| 07:04.44 | ectropy | fale: I see. And you wouldn't happen to know how do get it to work, do you? |
| 07:04.51 | fale | powertool08: have you tried from root: "chomd -R 777 FOLDER" ? |
| 07:05.13 | hark | switchgirlEEE: the spiral is a pretty common logo, not a case of stealing :) |
| 07:05.20 | powertool08 | fale: yes, but I'll check again to be sure. |
| 07:05.25 | fale | ectropy: I know that you have to install the fwcutter package... but no idea about where it is |
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| 07:07.06 | ectropy | fale, http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 07:07.14 | ectropy | it's a bit greek |
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| 07:08.13 | powertool08 | fale: checked again. Still showing drwx------ for the folder. |
| 07:08.18 | ectropy | now reading: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44566 |
| 07:08.20 | hark | ectropy: use b43 instead |
| 07:08.24 | hark | !b43 |
| 07:08.24 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:08.40 | hark | !bcm43xx |
| 07:08.40 | dpkg | [bcm43xx] the old driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux at 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43> and <b43legacy>. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 07:10.04 | hark | switchgirlEEE: http://www.splorp.com/critique/ |
| 07:10.15 | sauvin | Does all that mean that Broadcom 43xx is now supported out of the box in lenny? |
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| 07:10.53 | hark | you need firmware |
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| 07:11.36 | sauvin | I don't have Windows on that machine anymore! Wah! |
| 07:11.39 | powertool08 | sauvin: It was supported ootb in kernel 2.6.26 or so in archlinux for me. |
| 07:11.56 | ectropy | hark, fale: I'm about to follow: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44566#p253183 |
| 07:12.05 | ectropy | hark, fale: seem right? |
| 07:12.24 | fale | ectropy: it seems right ;) |
| 07:13.01 | powertool08 | fale: Any ideas on my permissions problem? |
| 07:14.32 | fale | powertool08: no :( the only one was that one... |
| 07:14.55 | fale | powertool08: btw: have you write permission to write on the disk? |
| 07:15.44 | powertool08 | fale: Yes, my logged in user can r/w fine, but the group and others can't, and I can't change it, even as root. What could possibly stop root from being able to change it? |
| 07:16.17 | fale | noidea |
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| 07:16.56 | powertool08 | fale: Well, thanks for taking a look. |
| 07:17.12 | hark | ectropy: you can use b43-fwcutter instead |
| 07:17.20 | fale | powertool08: yw |
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| 07:21.22 | ectropy | hark, isn't b43-fwcutter the first thing the guide installs? |
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| 07:24.56 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 07:25.21 | rajeshsr | i would like to know if there exists some utility that cann save a current running process, and can resume it when needed |
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| 07:25.40 | ectropy | rajeshsr: a script? |
| 07:26.34 | rajeshsr | more specifically, am running a computationally intensive program which will take around a week or so. But I can't be keeping my system switchhed on at all times. But once the current process r saved I can restore that stae and start from that time on.. |
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| 07:27.00 | rajeshsr | s/stae/state |
| 07:27.09 | rajeshsr | ectropy, can u explain more? |
| 07:27.20 | rajeshsr | ectropy, what sort of script? |
| 07:27.22 | lghtng | rajeshsr: i'd try virtualbox |
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| 07:28.06 | rajeshsr | lghtng, virtualbox, u mean emulate my process in a virtualbox, so tat all sessions r stored in it? |
| 07:28.11 | lghtng | rajeshsr: you could install your linux in a vm and start, pause and resume it as you require |
| 07:28.14 | lghtng | yeah |
| 07:28.22 | rajeshsr | hmm |
| 07:28.25 | rajeshsr | any other way? |
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| 07:28.44 | lghtng | you can take snapshots, etc. |
| 07:28.44 | rajeshsr | lghtng, thats interesting! I never thot like tat! :) |
| 07:28.50 | lghtng | :D |
| 07:28.54 | lghtng | we aim to please |
| 07:29.11 | rajeshsr | BTW, can you tell me if anything is possible with debian itself? |
| 07:29.29 | rajeshsr | anything that can map the whole process state, save it and get back when I reboot |
| 07:29.31 | rajeshsr | ? |
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| 07:29.45 | lghtng | i dont know |
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| 07:30.19 | ectropy | lghtng, what's the best vm prog to run Debian from OS X? |
| 07:30.32 | lghtng | i'd try virtualbox first |
| 07:30.56 | lghtng | im not sure if there is an os x host for vbox, youll have to look |
| 07:31.05 | rajeshsr | a debian in a debian looks amusing! :) |
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| 07:31.15 | ectropy | lghtng: already found and downloading |
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| 07:32.22 | lghtng | http://donaldlindsay.net/2009/08/one-three-three-t/ |
| 07:32.39 | lghtng | thats windows 7 rtm running in vbox |
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| 07:34.52 | rajeshsr | anyway, i think this is fairly a common problem when we come to running a process over a proloned time and across outages! I wud really wanna have sumthing that will map a single process, given its process id! :) |
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| 07:36.11 | lghtng | virtualization solves alot of those kinds of problems |
| 07:36.24 | lghtng | you can a whole portable machine state |
| 07:36.39 | lghtng | microsoft is actually taking the lead in this |
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| 07:36.59 | hark | ectropy: b43-fwcutter is in contrib. you don't need to do what that says |
| 07:37.09 | liable | stupid radeon driver logs me out when i scroll or use mouse sometimes.. |
| 07:37.14 | lghtng | you can install win 7 and the new server os directly onto a bootable virtual disk |
| 07:37.19 | hark | no stupid liable |
| 07:37.37 | liable | well, thats true, but still stupid radeon |
| 07:38.06 | dingus9 | Is there any issue with debian not having an LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 07:38.16 | liable | xorg log just says about screen blanking |
| 07:38.21 | dingus9 | Or is that my problem |
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| 07:41.29 | hark | liable: it works fine until you scroll? |
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| 07:42.18 | ectropy | okay, Virtual Box is amazingly easy to use. |
| 07:43.11 | ectropy | Now instlaling Debian... after like 5 mins after I started the VB download. |
| 07:44.59 | Thrae | ectropy: And say hello to graphics hardware acceleration in VB3.org. Also, if you haven't already, enable your VT extensions if available in the BIOS (turned off by default usually). |
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| 07:47.34 | dingus9 | how does debian handle the differences between ia32 and ia64 library linking? |
| 07:47.52 | ectropy | I get the feeling I shouldn't partition my disk from VB... |
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| 07:49.23 | ectropy | YEah wait a minute I don't know what I'm doing here.. |
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| 07:54.29 | ectropy | k I'm partitioning... |
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| 07:54.55 | ectropy | and now installing! |
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| 07:55.54 | ivan-kanis | I am using 5.03. I am setting caps lock to control in the keyboard layout tool. The setting does not work the next time I login. Does anybody knows why? |
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| 07:56.56 | xxtjaxx | hi I try to upload to launch pad and during the process this message appears http://pastebin.ca/1624646 . What can I do against that? |
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| 08:21.09 | boodie | Hi: every time, at boot, the soundcard is not detected, I have to run alsaconf, then it works fine (Lenny); what could the problem be? |
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| 08:30.54 | DiegoMax | hello, i have a basic question, cause im trying to understand something |
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| 08:31.17 | DiegoMax | i have installed a virtual machine running debian, so i have apache running under the www-data user |
| 08:31.45 | DiegoMax | then i created a 2nd user, added this user to the www-data group and uploaded some files under this user's account |
| 08:31.51 | DiegoMax | i chmod the files to 775 |
| 08:31.57 | DiegoMax | why cant apache write to those files ? |
| 08:32.03 | DiegoMax | what am i doing wrong ? |
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| 08:32.58 | niklaswe | DiegoMax: create and public_html in your homedirectory and put the files in there, and after that http://localhost/~yourUser |
| 08:33.28 | DiegoMax | well but i need to use a different hostname, i did that already |
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| 08:33.55 | DiegoMax | my problem is that i can not understand why if the user is sharing the apache's group, yet apache cant write to the files uploaded by that user :/ |
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| 08:35.09 | niklaswe | DiegoMax: have you fix an virtualhost to it, or have you change DocumentRoot? |
| 08:35.24 | DiegoMax | i added a new virtualhost |
| 08:35.36 | niklaswe | brb must go to the store and buy some stuff |
| 08:35.41 | niklaswe | will be back about 15 min |
| 08:35.43 | DiegoMax | ok |
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| 08:45.18 | olspookishmagus | what's happening with gnome-cups-manager? |
| 08:45.22 | olspookishmagus | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-cups-manager/current/changelog |
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| 08:48.24 | boodie | Hi: every time, at boot, the soundcard is not detected, I have to run alsaconf, then it works fine (Lenny); what could the problem be? |
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| 08:54.29 | g00se | OOo seems completely unaware that i've just installed Help for my (en_GB) locale ..? |
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| 08:55.58 | tola | I'm in the middle of an Etch -> Lenny upgrade and apt/aptitude is complaining that it can't lock the cache file and tells me to run dpkg --configure -a, but dpkg says subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1. Help! |
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| 08:57.30 | niklaswe | boodie: use alsaconf after that alsactl store |
| 08:57.55 | niklaswe | and check if you have load the module during the boot |
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| 09:02.31 | lvh | Hi! |
| 09:02.47 | lvh | Is there a condensed version about why I shouldcare aout initramfs-tools vs yaird? |
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| 09:15.48 | kudryavtsev | hi |
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| 09:42.29 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 09:42.36 | [Elvis] | is there a tftpboot image for lenny somewhere? |
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| 09:44.06 | mquin | [Elvis]: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 09:44.32 | [Elvis] | for sparc mquin ? |
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| 09:44.49 | [Elvis] | trying to get it to run on a netra x1 :p |
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| 09:45.06 | mquin | replace i386 with sparc in that URL :) |
| 09:45.21 | [Elvis] | yeah that one is too big :9 |
| 09:45.25 | [Elvis] | that netinstaller |
| 09:45.25 | [Elvis] | :P |
| 09:45.32 | [Elvis] | only like 4 or 5 mb allowed :p |
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| 09:46.28 | mquin | [Elvis]: you might be able to use http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-sparc/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 09:46.43 | mquin | been a long time since I netbooted a sparc so that's the most I can help you |
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| 09:52.26 | [Elvis] | thx anyways mquin |
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| 09:54.50 | tola | hi, I'm getting "/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 14: getopt: command not found" when dpkg does "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19.4". help! |
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| 09:55.45 | tola | have I somehow ended up without util-linux? (I'm in the middle of a Lenny upgrade and trying to follow the release notes to the letter) |
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| 09:57.20 | nsadmin | judd versions util-linux |
| 09:57.21 | judd | nsadmin: util-linux -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1 etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1 lenny: 2.13.1.1-1 sid: 2.16.1-4 squeeze: 2.16.1-4 |
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| 09:57.43 | nsadmin | looks like it exists |
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| 10:06.18 | g00se | backports seems to want to redirect when aptitude hits it. Get is not working afaics |
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| 10:17.34 | boodie | Ciao: quando faccio il boot non mi prende la scheda grafica; se faccio alsaconf, poi funzione ... come posso evitare questo fastidio? |
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| 10:19.55 | g00se | !it |
| 10:19.55 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:20.09 | StyXman | since almost a month now both dselect and aptitude tell me that any non-installed package is a new package. what could be broken? |
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| 10:25.05 | boodie | Hi: everytime I boot, my soundcard is not recognized. After I run alsaconf, it then works. I installed a webcam (not working at all), and I suspect it disturbs my alsa configuration. How can I solve the problem? |
| 10:25.22 | hark | StyXman: aptitude forget-new or press f |
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| 10:25.48 | StyXman | hark: aha, let's see |
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| 10:26.20 | g00se | boodie: Why - was is ok *before* the webcam's arrival? |
| 10:26.21 | hark | boodie: it can depend on many things, we can check if you've not run alsaconf now |
| 10:26.57 | boodie | Yes |
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| 10:29.24 | boodie | Then I tried that workaround for the webcams, GSPCA, I think it's called, and the problem appeared |
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| 10:29.35 | olspookishmagus | how can one administer his printers on Gnome? I'm using Debian testing (Squeeze) and I don't get the System -> Administration -> Printers option... any ideas? |
| 10:29.42 | g00se | What workaround? What package(s) are you using for the webcam? |
| 10:29.45 | hark | StyXman: in the aptitude menu for new packages it does say: "These packages have been added to Debian since the last time you cleared the list of "new" packages" |
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| 10:31.05 | StyXman | hark: but dselect used to 'clear' the new list on each update. now it doesn't do that anymore... is it broken or is just a matter of config? |
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| 10:33.21 | boodie | v4l |
| 10:33.27 | StyXman | <-- dselect junkie |
| 10:33.35 | [Elvis] | hej guys |
| 10:33.41 | [Elvis] | what's the command to read a serial port |
| 10:33.47 | [Elvis] | ./dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:33.54 | boodie | I have uninstalled all the GSPCA modules, but no improvement occurred |
| 10:34.18 | hark | olspookishmagus: maybe you want system-config-printer? |
| 10:34.36 | hark | olspookishmagus: or just go to http://localhost:631 |
| 10:34.57 | olspookishmagus | hark: I feel it's the 1st that I want |
| 10:35.23 | StyXman | [Elvis]: that's teh port itself... what do you want to read it for? |
| 10:35.26 | p0g0_ | [Elvis]: cat, minicom, assorted languages...they all offer commands to read com ports. Some read control lines or set rates, even... |
| 10:35.30 | StyXman | [Elvis]: what's the ultimate goal? |
| 10:35.57 | nsadmin | to be The King |
| 10:36.01 | [Elvis] | I got a serial console on it |
| 10:36.05 | [Elvis] | to a sparc server |
| 10:36.15 | hark | olspookishmagus: don't know about dselect :) but aptitude has an option which does the same. let me check the behavior here |
| 10:36.32 | hark | screen too |
| 10:37.38 | freespace | [Elvis]: try minicom, i use it to talk to 68hc11 and friends |
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| 10:38.10 | [Elvis] | screen did the trick |
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| 10:38.36 | StyXman | hark: over here? |
| 10:38.44 | hark | StyXman: Aptitude::Forget-New-On-Update which is false by default |
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| 10:39.20 | StyXman | hark: hmm, I wonder what's the equivalent for dselect |
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| 10:39.29 | StyXman | but that's a hint |
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| 10:42.30 | StyXman | hark: here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545366 |
| 10:43.31 | hark | heh, all those dselect users ;) |
| 10:43.38 | hark | !dselect vs aptitude |
| 10:43.38 | dpkg | declares aptitude the winner! |
| 10:43.52 | pistache | I've set up my DNS forwarder for my lan successfully. it works good resolving/reversing names/ip. |
| 10:43.52 | nsadmin | !start a barbie war |
| 10:43.53 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 10:43.55 | pistache | When I am pinging hosts who does not have a reverse entry from the DNS server (who has 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf), ping is working fine. |
| 10:43.59 | pistache | When I am pinging hosts who does not have a reverse entry from my laptop (who has 10.42.13.1, the DNS server address, in resolv.conf), ping is really slow when resolving reverse names. |
| 10:44.03 | pistache | dig -x XX.XX.XX.XX works fine (fast) both on laptop and server, but it returns no answer (i guess this is normal) |
| 10:44.16 | pistache | Anyone has an idea why ping is so slow on the laptop/client ? |
| 10:44.52 | _echa | can somebody tell me how to find the environment of a running process? |
| 10:44.56 | nsadmin | your laptop is not querying the dns server |
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| 10:45.51 | StyXman | hark: heeh, dpkg says aptitude is the winner because is his fault that dselect cannot forget new anymore! :-P |
| 10:45.53 | _echa | i want to know what the DISPLAY variable of a particular X application is |
| 10:46.15 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: I tried to find the article about the Russian fisherman using Barbies as fish bait, but instead ould only find this: http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:4Uaq9ZycKikJ:www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/russia.nickpatonwalsh+sharkbait+barbie+russia&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 10:46.32 | p0g0_ | thought it might help in the Barbie wars... |
| 10:46.42 | jmeeuwen | _echa, cat /proc/<pid>/environ ? |
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| 10:47.19 | nsadmin | wait a sec, 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf means the dns server is on the same machine as the queryer |
| 10:47.34 | _echa | jmeeuwen: awesome, thanks! |
| 10:48.30 | nsadmin | or rather that all dns queries are directed to that same machine |
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| 10:50.28 | hark | StyXman: reported over a month back and no signs of a fix yet, jetscreamer here is one of the people who've reported it. maybe ask him when he's here if there's a workaround or something |
| 10:50.32 | StyXman | nsadmin: 127.0.0.1 is *always* the loopback interface in that particular machine |
| 10:52.45 | nsadmin | pistache can your laptop reach 10.42.13.1? |
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| 10:53.30 | pistache | nsadmin: of course, and it can resolve anything |
| 10:53.50 | pistache | i use this local dns server since two months |
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| 10:54.25 | pistache | nsadmin: and dig -x XX.XX.XX.XX show that :;; SERVER: 10.42.13.1#53(10.42.13.1) |
| 10:54.25 | nsadmin | well 10.x is unroutable so you need to explain the shape of the net |
| 10:54.41 | pistache | nsadmin: it's a lan, with gateway and dns server 10.42.13.1. |
| 10:54.57 | pistache | 10.42.13.1 has a public IP and it's masquerading everything |
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| 10:55.32 | nsadmin | and that machine is acting as dns for an internal domain? |
| 10:55.43 | nsadmin | what' |
| 10:55.47 | nsadmin | s the netmask? |
| 10:55.53 | pistache | 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:56.11 | pistache | nsadmin: it's just forwarding, and it's not authoritative for anything |
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| 10:56.24 | pistache | it's like a cache server |
| 10:56.45 | nsadmin | that would explain why the machines can't be found... :) |
| 10:56.55 | pistache | but wait. |
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| 10:57.18 | pistache | It IS working, |
| 10:57.25 | nsadmin | oh it is? |
| 10:57.28 | pistache | dig google.fr |
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| 10:57.34 | pistache | google.fr.1800INA74.125.77.104 |
| 10:57.35 | nsadmin | everything is working? |
| 10:57.39 | pistache | ;; SERVER: 10.42.13.1#53(10.42.13.1) |
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| 10:58.32 | pistache | nsadmin: well, no, because my ping is slow. but I can't find if that is my server's fault or my laptop's |
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| 10:59.19 | nsadmin | you should set up a forward and reverse domain, like: pistache.internal. |
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| 11:00.14 | nsadmin | and 13.42.10.in-addr.arpa |
| 11:00.26 | pistache | nsadmin: the IP i want to reverse is public hu |
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| 11:00.46 | nsadmin | public? |
| 11:00.56 | nsadmin | maybe it doesn't have reverse mapping set up |
| 11:01.01 | pistache | it doesn't |
| 11:01.15 | pistache | 12:43 < pistache> When I am pinging hosts who does not have a reverse entry |
| 11:01.25 | cafaro | Hi I am running debian with gnome, and I installed amarok with apt-get, but now there is a shitload of crap in Applications/Other, so i ran deborphan amarok, and removed all dependecies with aptitude remove, but there is still a lot of KDE stuff in my 'Other' menu, how can I remove this? |
| 11:01.39 | boodie | My alsaconf detects the following soundcards: intel8x0; mpu401; legacy . I every time have to select manually intel8x0, in order to hear sounds. How can I blacklist the other two? |
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| 11:08.19 | nsadmin | so you mean when you ping hosts outside your NATed setup (the 10.*) and it doesn't reverse, you get two different behaviors dependent on whether your gateway or a machine inside the net is trying |
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| 11:12.19 | nsadmin | in any case... I gotta go; it's late and I'm out of ideas too |
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| 11:12.54 | cafaro | Is it possible to add more than one partition to a raid device (software), without using LVM? |
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| 11:13.01 | lilzeus | how does debian compare to ubuntu? |
| 11:13.46 | jorik | lilzeus: in what aspect |
| 11:14.01 | lilzeus | jorik: every |
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| 11:14.19 | lilzeus | stability, usability |
| 11:14.26 | lilzeus | compatibility |
| 11:14.34 | jorik | you know that ubuntu = debian? |
| 11:14.35 | lilzeus | performance |
| 11:14.52 | lilzeus | I know that it is based on it, yes |
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| 11:15.55 | mhymn | jorik: wtf?!? |
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| 11:16.35 | omid8bimo | mhymn: good one |
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| 11:17.05 | lilzeus | all I know is, one minute I have internet/networking in ubuntu, I restart, and it doesn't work anymore |
| 11:17.11 | the-dude | jorik: I don't agree with that |
| 11:17.28 | mhymn | lilzeus: ubuntu is based on debian sid afaik, ubuntu lts is probably more like debian stable which is again afaik! |
| 11:17.37 | jorik | ubuntu is basicly debian unstable packages that get altered by ubuntu |
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| 11:17.52 | mhymn | jorik: that doesn't mean they're the same |
| 11:17.56 | the-dude | jorik: so it is not the same |
| 11:17.58 | jorik | i never said that |
| 11:18.05 | mhymn | yes you did |
| 11:18.09 | the-dude | 13:14 < jorik> you know that ubuntu = debian? |
| 11:18.12 | jorik | no, == is the same |
| 11:18.13 | the-dude | yes you did |
| 11:18.35 | jorik | "ubuntu is debian" isnt that far off |
| 11:18.45 | mhymn | jorik: then what = is supposed to mean there? based on?!?! |
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| 11:19.08 | the-dude | jorik is running ubuntu ;) |
| 11:19.09 | lilzeus | well, anyway |
| 11:19.33 | jorik | the-dude: no, i dont, because i hate the 6 month cycle :) |
| 11:19.34 | lilzeus | all I know is, I try to do things, and it breaks |
| 11:20.04 | mhymn | lilzeus: try debian stable and you won't regret ever |
| 11:20.21 | lilzeus | why is ubuntu so popular? |
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| 11:20.51 | Batchy | <joke>because it's supported by MS</joke> |
| 11:21.04 | mhymn | lilzeus: propaganda? |
| 11:21.05 | pistache | <joke>that was funny</joke> |
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| 11:21.14 | the-dude | lilzeus: cause it gets promoted and has funds |
| 11:21.25 | krisfremen | me no likey ubuntu |
| 11:21.31 | krisfremen | why is everyone talking ubuntu?! |
| 11:21.35 | krisfremen | this is frickin' #debian |
| 11:22.04 | the-dude | debian <3 |
| 11:22.08 | lilzeus | I don't suppose I will get a very objective opinion on which distro is 'best' in specific rooms :) |
| 11:22.20 | krisfremen | ... |
| 11:22.30 | jorik | opinions are always subjective |
| 11:22.35 | krisfremen | you are in #debian .. what do you think we use, and why we are here?! |
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| 11:23.35 | the-dude | we are here because we love ubuntu *wink wink* |
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| 11:23.54 | lilzeus | you guys are very touchy...sheesh |
| 11:24.15 | lilzeus | I came here to find out how they compared |
| 11:24.22 | jorik | yes, all debian users have sand in their vagina's |
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| 11:24.37 | lilzeus | lol |
| 11:24.53 | lilzeus | what makes Debian better?? |
| 11:24.56 | the-dude | loves sand |
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| 11:25.09 | the-dude | and debian <3 |
| 11:25.17 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 11:25.17 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 11:26.00 | krisfremen | We Haz Su!! |
| 11:26.10 | krisfremen | :P |
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| 11:26.31 | jorik | lilzeus: you should ask yourself why you would want ubuntu |
| 11:26.38 | jorik | eg "stable packages are too old" |
| 11:26.40 | lilzeus | well, it doesn't seem busy |
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| 11:27.05 | jorik | or "i want a dist-upgrade every 6 months" |
| 11:27.10 | lilzeus | jorik: I want a free OS that can run my websites |
| 11:27.28 | krisfremen | i run all my pcs either on debian or gentoo |
| 11:27.30 | lilzeus | I want it to work |
| 11:27.30 | krisfremen | nothing else |
| 11:27.32 | jorik | for servers pick debian |
| 11:27.40 | the-dude | stable packages aren't that old anymore :/ |
| 11:27.49 | jorik | the-dude: no, true, they used to be older |
| 11:27.58 | dustybin | is there a way to tail dmesg? |
| 11:28.02 | the-dude | yeah but debian still has the name for it |
| 11:28.03 | lilzeus | I want my mouse to work, I want my printer to work... |
| 11:28.24 | mhymn | guys, please, this's too offtopic, join #debian-offtopic ... |
| 11:28.26 | krisfremen | dustybin: dmesg | tail |
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| 11:28.37 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 11:29.04 | lilzeus | what is 'on topic' here? |
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| 11:29.13 | mhymn | lilzeus: /topic |
| 11:29.31 | dustybin | krisfremen: that doesnt give live updates of dmeswg |
| 11:29.34 | dustybin | dmesg |
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| 11:29.51 | dustybin | i need to tail the end of live dmesg to watch for changes |
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| 11:30.05 | lilzeus | so, how is asking about Debian off topic again? |
| 11:30.30 | mhymn | dustybin: dmesg | less -F ? |
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| 11:31.00 | pistache | dustybin: kern.log ? |
| 11:31.12 | Xeross | I'm trying to create a script that recursivly replaces tabs with spaces |
| 11:31.13 | mhymn | lilzeus: here's a support channel not a general discuusion about debian |
| 11:31.16 | Xeross | but I can't get it to work |
| 11:31.38 | Xeross | tried with sed but it didnt replace anything |
| 11:32.10 | pistache | cool |
| 11:32.13 | dustybin | kern.log wins |
| 11:32.21 | bzed | Xeross: why recursively? |
| 11:32.46 | bzed | Xeross: and what exactly do you want to replace, and in what? |
| 11:32.48 | lilzeus | can I install Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 11:32.49 | Xeross | bzed: I need to do it on all .cpp, .h, .am, and .in files |
| 11:33.02 | Xeross | I want to replace any tab characters with spaces |
| 11:33.11 | Xeross | so probably a job for expand |
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| 11:33.54 | dustybin | one of my external drives has gone down :( |
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| 11:33.55 | dustybin | http://paste.debian.net/49337/ |
| 11:33.57 | g00se | Xeross: tr '\t' ' ' < file >newfile |
| 11:34.17 | bzed | Xeross: sed -i 's,\t, ,g' file.foo |
| 11:34.50 | sender | anyone an idea if it is possible to go back from a Debian Lenny kernel for XenServer 5.5 (without iptables support) to a standard Debian Lenny kernel, and how? |
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| 11:35.21 | sender | how do i tell aptitude to revert to an old kernel? |
| 11:35.23 | dutchfish | sender, if you mean the vm, yes |
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| 11:35.41 | sender | dutchfish: thanx, yes I'm talking about the gues |
| 11:35.42 | sender | t |
| 11:35.53 | Xeross | bzed: What's with the commas ? |
| 11:36.08 | sender | dutchfish: can you tell me how? :) |
| 11:36.28 | Xeross | http://pastebin.com/m18f09e32 hmm, what am i doing wrong ? |
| 11:36.46 | neoice | is there a way to completely remove virtual network interfaces (like the BSD/UNIX 'ifconfig $dev unplumb') ?? |
| 11:36.51 | dutchfish | sender, this may seams odd, but just install lenny based on the latest fedora template and adjust to your liking, the tmeplate simply starts a netboot, chears |
| 11:37.17 | dutchfish | sender, another approach is boot.kernel.org |
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| 11:37.48 | dutchfish | sender, that worst option is to convert ecth to lenny, this works only if you want to give xen-tools |
| 11:37.57 | sender | dutchfish: this all involves kernel rebuilding right? can I not go back a step using apt? |
| 11:38.13 | dutchfish | sender, thats is if you want a debian kernel (not the best choice in there) |
| 11:38.15 | sender | dutchfish: i dont care about xentools at this moment, just need a running server with iptables |
| 11:38.23 | dutchfish | sender, nope |
| 11:38.31 | sender | dutchfish: you would suggest centOS i assume? |
| 11:38.33 | dutchfish | sender, again nope |
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| 11:38.50 | dutchfish | sender, yes, the tmeplate is just a very basic script |
| 11:39.08 | dutchfish | sender, i only use debian in the vMs |
| 11:39.12 | bzed | Xeross: that's sed syntax... |
| 11:39.29 | bzed | Xeross: you could use most weird characters instead of them |
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| 11:39.42 | dutchfish | sender, this is all pretty well explained in the xen fora btw |
| 11:39.51 | sender | dutchfish: i found this: http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=248211 do you recommend? |
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| 11:40.50 | Xeross | bzed: K, but now the problem is it aint working |
| 11:41.13 | dutchfish | sender, i would not recommend that atm for this particular version, but i have done that in 5.1 succesfully |
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| 11:41.34 | Xeross | standalone it works but in conjunction with find it doesnt |
| 11:41.39 | Xeross | http://pastebin.com/m18f09e32 |
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| 11:42.12 | sender | dutchfish: ok thanx, I have no experience building kernels, it says it takes a while - is this 10 min/4 hours? |
| 11:42.25 | sender | dutchfish: i really need the fastest solution to get iptables in |
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| 11:43.24 | dutchfish | sender, with all the merits along it will prolly more time, just leave the prop kernel and go by the xen-tools, use the script i mentioned, that works execelent without giving up iptables or xentools |
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| 11:44.34 | dutchfish | sender, it will be fixed prolly soon i have heard in the next point relase |
| 11:44.45 | Xeross | so what am I doing wrong ? |
| 11:44.51 | sender | dutchfish: sounds good, where do I find this script, is that on boot.kernel.org? |
| 11:45.14 | dutchfish | sender, nope in your xen repository already "template" |
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| 11:46.44 | dutchfish | sender, the trick involved in her eis that curent newer kernels can do this if you install lenny from scratch as i pointed out |
| 11:46.57 | dutchfish | sender, good luck |
| 11:47.27 | dutchfish | sender, the boot.kernel.org way is just to do it without a xen template |
| 11:47.41 | sender | dutchfish: thanx, but i need more help in this. Can i find that xen template via apt? |
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| 11:47.55 | dutchfish | sender, no, its in your 5.5 |
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| 11:48.05 | dutchfish | sender, just delve into it |
| 11:48.25 | sender | dutchfish: ah I don't have access to the host actually (dont know if you mean that) |
| 11:48.50 | sender | dutchfish: damn how can citrix leave iptables out :/ |
| 11:48.51 | dutchfish | sender, you need access to the host i am afriad |
| 11:49.11 | dutchfish | sender, they didnt at least not on the host ;) |
| 11:49.46 | sender | dutchfish: yeah, i guess that's centOS. I can contact those guys, but it's a lot of hassle, especially on saturday |
| 11:50.06 | dutchfish | sender, i feel for you, but yes |
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| 11:50.42 | dutchfish | sender, or go totally open source on the host, good luck |
| 11:50.57 | sender | dutchfish: what do you mean? KVM? |
| 11:51.08 | iccl2600 | hi. I'm trying to use darkice or whatever to stream to icecast2. When playing something in ogg123, and starting darkice reading /dev/dsp, nothing is heard on the other end. Any idea? |
| 11:51.20 | dutchfish | sender, xen or kvm yes |
| 11:51.37 | sender | dutchfish: i thought id be able to uninstall xen tools, and revert to the regular debian lenny |
| 11:51.54 | dutchfish | sender, possible, but not the best approach |
| 11:52.11 | dutchfish | sender, again then go opensource all the way |
| 11:52.17 | sender | dutchfish: this makes me feel like going back to just dedicated steel boxes --> less hassle |
| 11:52.41 | dutchfish | sender, then go by there rules, its offtopic in here ;) |
| 11:53.09 | neoice | sender: wait, wats the issue? I'm running Xen+Lenny and loving it |
| 11:53.10 | dutchfish | sender, it aint that bad either |
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| 11:53.30 | dutchfish | neoice, xenserver 5.5 |
| 11:53.33 | sender | neoice: do you have iptables support in the kernel? |
| 11:54.08 | neoice | sender: using just the default packages in Lenny, yeah, for both dom0 and domUs |
| 11:54.44 | sender | neoice: how? do i rebuild the kernel with xen support or do i revert back to default debian lenny kernel? |
| 11:55.17 | cirwin | after a recent-ish update, bash completion stopped working for filenames including spaces (on squeeze) is there a fix for this? |
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| 11:55.24 | neoice | sender: like I said, default package: xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64 |
| 11:56.29 | sender | neoice: sorry, not a lot of kernel experience here :( - how do I do this? |
| 11:56.41 | neoice | sender: http://pastebin.com/m2e2f5e7a |
| 11:56.41 | oskude | hello, i found a really bad link (or the link is hijacked or something) in the debian install docs. but i would rather not post it to all, who could i pm ? |
| 11:57.15 | abrotman | oskude: me |
| 11:57.39 | neoice | sender: its pretty much all out-of-box. you install the hypervisor package on the hardware and reboot. you should have a grub entry for Xen and if you boot it, you should get a bunch of (XEN) messages on the console |
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| 11:58.06 | neoice | sender: and then from there, xen-create-image runs debootstrap to fetch the latest packages and create VMs like magic |
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| 11:58.32 | neoice | sender: if I had to be doing kernel patching myself, I wouldnt be running Xen or Debian |
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| 11:58.46 | sender | neoice: ok thanx, sounds good, but do i install this on the host? |
| 11:59.02 | sender | neoice: b/c this is not under direct control :/ |
| 11:59.05 | dutchfish | sender, if you gone recompile you need CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING |
| 11:59.14 | neoice | sender: the hardware host needs to be running the Xen hypervisor. thats just how it works |
| 11:59.31 | neoice | sender: otherwise the hardware doesnt know how to virtualize for the Xen guests |
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| 12:00.12 | sender | neoice: ok i understand. I think the host runs CentOS. Should I ask the maintainer to check the packages |
| 12:00.48 | dutchfish | sender, i thik we are mixing up tings |
| 12:00.56 | neoice | indeed |
| 12:01.04 | neoice | if you're a VM, you're pretty much at the whim of the host |
| 12:01.19 | dutchfish | sender, the host can be left as it is apart from the fact that some quircks exists |
| 12:01.20 | neoice | they can choose your kernel and I think your modules too |
| 12:01.37 | sender | dutchfish, neoice: new stuff but very important for me, thanx for the effort |
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| 12:02.00 | dutchfish | sender, you can either compile a citrix kernel or go by the debians default ones, both give iptables |
| 12:02.23 | dutchfish | sender, if you go by the debian defaults you give up citrix xne-tools |
| 12:02.30 | dutchfish | xen-tools* |
| 12:02.47 | sender | dutchfish: do i really need those? |
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| 12:03.08 | sender | dutchfish: isnt that more or less for the host maintainer? |
| 12:03.15 | dutchfish | sender, thats your decision, i like them because i also control the host, if thats not the case .... mmm.. |
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| 12:04.23 | dustybin | how can one quickly identify what kind of filesystem a device uses? |
| 12:04.23 | dutchfish | sender, i think you better of by consulting the host maintainer anyway |
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| 12:04.35 | sender | dutchfish, neoice: it's not completely clear to me if and how i can revert to a pure debian kernel - it's not a apt-get remove "kernel this" apt-get install "kernel that" thing |
| 12:04.54 | wamty | 'chmod +r 2007\ Bush\ -\ Chemicals\ Between\ Us' |
| 12:04.55 | sender | dutchfish: i did, they dont really have clue and suggest moving to centOS - what should i ask them? |
| 12:04.58 | wamty | i still cant access it |
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| 12:05.15 | dutchfish | sender, to prepare a decent debian template ;) |
| 12:05.21 | catsup_ | dutchfish: mount it |
| 12:05.23 | dutchfish | sender, thats not that hard |
| 12:05.23 | catsup_ | oops |
| 12:05.25 | catsup_ | dustybin: mount it |
| 12:05.30 | sender | dutchfish: :) |
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| 12:05.47 | sender | dutchfish: can I supply them with one? |
| 12:05.48 | dutchfish | sender, at leats not if you have full access to the host |
| 12:05.55 | dustybin | of course lol |
| 12:06.03 | dustybin | catsup_: that was a no-brainer :D |
| 12:06.04 | dutchfish | sender, i believe there are already in the wild, ask citrix |
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| 12:06.20 | dutchfish | sender, simple and easy, why reinvent the wheel? |
| 12:06.50 | sender | dutchfish: exactly, and I just need iptables on this box that should go live today! how hard can it be? |
| 12:06.52 | rg3 | hello, i need help testing a program for the computer language benchmark (http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/) but i don't have a debian system at hand to verify it works fine in debian too (it should); can anybody with a debian system, 2.6 kernel and gcc installed lend me a hand? thanks in advance |
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| 12:07.01 | dutchfish | sender, fair enough |
| 12:07.22 | dustybin | i have created a script to mount my external esata drives, i would like fsck to check those drives after every 5th mount, what can one put in a script to achieve the task? |
| 12:07.33 | abrotman | dustybin: for which OS? |
| 12:07.39 | dustybin | debian lenny |
| 12:07.59 | pistache | dustybin: fstab |
| 12:08.01 | pistache | no ? |
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| 12:08.07 | dustybin | im not sure |
| 12:08.27 | dustybin | my fstab reads: LABEL=esata1 /mnt/esata1 ext3 auto |
| 12:08.35 | abrotman | dustybin: read the fstab man page |
| 12:08.39 | dustybin | ok |
| 12:09.01 | catsup_ | it's much easier to check them with 20% probability every time |
| 12:09.23 | dutchfish | sender, hint for them: http://community.citrix.com/display/xs/Debian+Lenny |
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| 12:10.30 | sender | dutchfish: thanx |
| 12:10.48 | dutchfish | sender, good luck |
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| 12:11.25 | sender | dutchfish: one more thing: what would be the process in stepping away from xen-tools and going back to default lenny kernel? |
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| 12:12.21 | catsup_ | sender: just install the kernel, and configure your bootloader to load it |
| 12:12.22 | dutchfish | sender, thats simple just remove it, but your host provider would prolly not like it |
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| 12:12.48 | catsup_ | or maybe i am missing something |
| 12:12.52 | dutchfish | sender, i think its not that swell too |
| 12:13.16 | sender | dutchfish: and it involves messing on the host right? I cant do this just in the guest? |
| 12:13.29 | dutchfish | sender, no, xen-tools are client based |
| 12:13.40 | sender | dutchfish, that sounds good |
| 12:13.45 | dutchfish | sender, its just a conduit for control |
| 12:14.27 | dutchfish | sender, thinks like mem, cpu accouting and the like |
| 12:14.35 | sender | dutchfish: ok do i use xe-update-guest-attrs? |
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| 12:15.07 | dutchfish | sender, if you leave then citrix way, nope, you are on your own |
| 12:15.20 | dustybin | 'The 6th column is a fsck option. fsck looks at the number in the 6th column to determine in which order the filesystems should be checked. If it's zero, fsck won't check the filesystem.' |
| 12:15.46 | sender | dutchfish: ok i want to leave the citrix way, but how do i get the default kernel into place when i dont have access to the host? |
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| 12:16.18 | sender | dutchfish: can i remove xen-tools and kernel with apt, and install the default kernel and reboot? how does it work? |
| 12:16.22 | dutchfish | sender, you cant without the help of the dom-0 guys |
| 12:16.52 | sender | dutchfish: ok thanx. that makes it clear and unusable then :( |
| 12:17.06 | dutchfish | sender, i ahve to quit on this subject, you better ask #xen or citrix, its a bit off topic i here |
| 12:17.20 | sender | dutchfish: ok thanx a ton, i will |
| 12:17.30 | dutchfish | sender, or ask your host provider to go all the way opensource |
| 12:17.38 | dutchfish | sender, yw |
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| 12:18.11 | Danielss89 | if i run a file, which opens another file. Which permission does my file open the other file with? |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | the filesystem permissions? |
| 12:18.39 | cirwin | it uses your permissions |
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| 12:19.10 | cirwin | unless it has a SUID bit set (which allows it to run with the permissions of the owner of the binary) |
| 12:19.28 | Danielss89 | hmm weird.. i have chowned fileb to my user, and chmodded it 777, and when i try to run file a which opens file b i get permission denied |
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| 12:19.59 | cirwin | can you execute the directory that file b is in? |
| 12:20.56 | Danielss89 | it is chowned to my user, and has permissions 755 |
| 12:21.04 | Danielss89 | the folder home/danielss89/ |
| 12:21.16 | Danielss89 | file a home/danielss89/filea |
| 12:21.21 | Danielss89 | file b home/danielss89/fileb |
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| 12:22.34 | cirwin | that seems very strange |
| 12:23.34 | Danielss89 | its an eggdrop... |
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| 12:24.09 | Danielss89 | and i have a "learn" script, which reads data from a file called learn.dat |
| 12:24.11 | Danielss89 | [14:23] Tcl error in file '/home/eggdrops/DPN.conf': |
| 12:24.11 | Danielss89 | [14:23] couldn't open "learn.dat": permission denied |
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| 12:24.26 | catsup_ | ls -l learn.dat |
| 12:24.46 | Danielss89 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 danielss89 danielss89 2380 Oct 17 13:54 /home/danielss89/learn.dat |
| 12:25.14 | cirwin | does the eggdrop run as user eggdrops? |
| 12:25.16 | catsup_ | yet the file exists, how was it created |
| 12:25.48 | catsup_ | [you shouldn't really use 777 files for this btw] |
| 12:25.52 | Danielss89 | cirwin no... i run it with danielss89 |
| 12:25.56 | cirwin | k |
| 12:26.20 | catsup_ | well if you strace it you'll see what exactyl is failing |
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| 12:26.27 | Danielss89 | catsup_ hmm it was created by the eggdrop.. the dlearn.tcl script.. |
| 12:26.28 | catsup_ | which is probably not open() on the file i guess |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | maybe you should see where it thinks learn.dat is |
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| 12:27.44 | Danielss89 | abrotman by editing the script? or is there another way? |
| 12:27.52 | abrotman | strace ? |
| 12:27.52 | Danielss89 | catsup_ strace? |
| 12:27.57 | catsup_ | Danielss89: just run strace -o syscalls.log eggdrop and search syscalls.log for the permission denied error |
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| 12:30.29 | dustybin | how can one covert [6046277.121342] kernel messages into something human readable? |
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| 12:31.00 | abrotman | that is readable? |
| 12:31.06 | dustybin | O_o |
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| 12:31.30 | xand | it's a timestamp... seconds since boot? |
| 12:31.32 | xand | or something |
| 12:31.51 | dustybin | something like, how about minutes + seconds |
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| 12:32.08 | xand | converting seconds to minutes = dividing by 60 :P |
| 12:32.09 | dustybin | [2min34seconds] kernel message |
| 12:32.17 | xand | write some perl to do it :p |
| 12:32.28 | dustybin | . |
| 12:32.28 | Danielss89 | catsup_ hmm theres nothing with permission in the file.. |
| 12:32.43 | catsup_ | um |
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| 12:33.49 | catsup_ | at the very least it should have a write() where it prints the error, unless maybe you're not stracing the binary but a wrapper script, in which case use strace -f |
| 12:34.39 | xand | dustybin: apparently I was wrong about what that time is |
| 12:34.48 | xand | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg43255.html |
| 12:35.06 | Danielss89 | catsup_ strace -f syscalls.log eggdrop /home/eggdrops/DPN.conf ? |
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| 12:35.56 | catsup_ | yeah that'll do it |
| 12:36.04 | catsup_ | erm what |
| 12:36.05 | catsup_ | no -f -o |
| 12:36.13 | Danielss89 | yeah did that now :D |
| 12:36.35 | jaggz- | I forgot my headless system's IP address .. none of my systems respond to broadcast ping though. It has open ports but how can I find what its ip is? |
| 12:36.39 | jaggz- | for loop and ping -c 1 ?? |
| 12:36.46 | catsup_ | jaggz-: nmap |
| 12:37.01 | Danielss89 | ok it seaches for the file in /learn.dat catsup_.. but is that relative to the tcl script or the bot confif? |
| 12:37.07 | catsup_ | nmap -sP [ip address range] |
| 12:37.50 | catsup_ | Danielss89: paste the open() syscall that fails EPERM |
| 12:38.54 | rg3 | 6 million seconds since boot is a long time |
| 12:38.57 | catsup_ | if it says "/learn.dat" then it's not relative; it's looking in the fs root |
| 12:39.00 | Danielss89 | catsup_: open("/learn.dat", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 EACCES ( Permission denied) |
| 12:39.03 | catsup_ | yep |
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| 12:39.19 | catsup_ | that should be "learn.dat" to look in the current directory |
| 12:39.25 | jaggz- | That's faster than for ((i=1;i<255;i++)); do echo $i; if ping -w 1 -c 1 192.168.1.$i &>/dev/null; then echo SUCCESS $i; fi; done |
| 12:39.26 | catsup_ | == abrotman called it |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
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| 12:40.47 | Danielss89 | catsup_ the learn file variable is: "learn.dat"... |
| 12:41.10 | Danielss89 | and it opens as: [open $learn[file] w] |
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| 12:42.15 | lord_rob | Hi ! I don't see how to use the package xul-ext-adblock-plus my Iceweasel doesn't show adblock-plus in the list of the available plugins (like it does when I install it manually), any idea ? |
| 12:43.23 | catsup_ | Danielss89: shrug, maybe that variable got changed somewhere else |
| 12:43.46 | neoice | so I have an ipv6 tunnel that refuses to work unless traffic until traffic goes outbound. if I ping out, the tunnel becomes responsive to inbound for a few hours. I'd like it to be permanent, but its such an unusual behavior, I'm not sure where to start |
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| 12:45.21 | Danielss89 | weird |
| 12:45.47 | catsup_ | neoice: probably routing configuration on someone else's computer |
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| 12:51.35 | neoice | catsup_: I'll start to take traceroutes too I guess. |
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| 12:54.40 | rhsanborn | General question about paths. If I put /usr/share/xyz in my path will it find files in /usr/share/xyz/abc/ ? |
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| 12:55.57 | abrotman | like $PATH ? |
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| 12:56.05 | rhsanborn | abrotman: yes |
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| 12:56.23 | abrotman | would think this would be easy to test |
| 12:56.29 | abrotman | but no, it does not |
| 12:56.39 | rhsanborn | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 13:15.21 | Ergo^ | hello, i just performed a netinstall of squeeze , and it seems that sound manager icon is not present(i have sound) and network manager says device is not managed |
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| 13:16.20 | Ergo^ | what could i do to fix the problem ? |
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| 13:22.10 | aidan | Is there a tool to enable apache2 odules? |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | a2enmod |
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| 13:27.20 | abrotman | Ergo^: wait .. network-manager is complaining about your sound ? |
| 13:28.05 | aidan | great |
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| 13:29.11 | Ergo^ | abrotman: na, 2 differnt things, i fixed the network manager bug=530024 - works now, and i added manually audio icon to gnome bar, but it seems diffrent(old) applet, to the one i saw 30 minutes ago ( i tested full dvd 64bit install) |
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| 13:42.00 | kantor | hi, it is possible to enable mouse support for the tty console (those appearing when you press the CTRL+ALT+Fx combinations), like to have a mouse pointer when you are in a ncurses application ? |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | gpm |
| 13:42.31 | hark | kantor: install gpm |
| 13:43.36 | kantor | ok thanks, hark gpm is a mouse driver ? |
| 13:43.44 | disposable | would it be safe to run squeeze with lenny kernel? i need vserver support and squeeze does not have it. but i do need applications that are not available in lenny. |
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| 13:46.48 | abrotman | disposable: you'd have to watch the security updates carefully |
| 13:46.54 | hark | kantor: a daemon more like, apt-cache show gpm |
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| 13:56.29 | disposable | abrotman: thanks, i was afraid there'd be some functional issues |
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| 13:57.07 | abrotman | disposable: there may be eventually .. you'll find out .. i'd keep the squeeze kernel installed just in case |
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| 14:02.42 | Sia- | if want to active Xscreensaver display me this message "Error /usr/share/backgrounds" with which package can i create this directory? |
| 14:04.11 | abrotman | !tell Sia- about apt-file |
| 14:04.25 | Sia- | abrotman, :) |
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| 14:33.38 | fred1_ | where does gnome-volume-manager get the mountpoint names it uses when mounting hotpluggable media? is there something I can set on such a device/partition to suggest a name for it, instead of getting generic ones? |
| 14:33.54 | fred1_ | I tried e2label to no effect |
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| 14:35.02 | patrikf | fred1_: yes, it usually uses volume names |
| 14:35.12 | rgr | specify the mount points in the fstab. Use UUIDs to map to the mount point. |
| 14:35.24 | fred1_ | Im sure I could put something in fstab, but id prefer it be something stored on the device itself, so regardless of which system I mount it on it gets the same name |
| 14:35.26 | patrikf | fred1_: maybe it wasn't an ext2 fs, use dosfslabel for vfat |
| 14:35.36 | fred1_ | its ext2[3] |
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| 14:35.43 | fred1_ | I just mkfs'ed it |
| 14:35.52 | Snoopotic | There is a security issue in phpmyadmin, that is fixed in 2.11.9.6 but debian still uses 2.11.8.1 or is the fix implemented? |
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| 14:36.18 | patrikf | fred1_: so what does the volume manager name the mountpoint? |
| 14:36.40 | Agiofws | whats a well know linux ip scanner ? |
| 14:36.50 | fred1_ | although, odd, I just checked it with e2label again and it didnt show the label as set |
| 14:36.56 | fred1_ | just tried again, and it worked |
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| 14:36.59 | fred1_ | weird |
| 14:37.04 | null_ptr | he |
| 14:37.08 | Agiofws | ? |
| 14:37.17 | fred1_ | Agiofws, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:37.20 | Agiofws | i can;t remember its name |
| 14:37.28 | fredl | somebody ought to really fix that dmsetup/lvm mess in Sid. |
| 14:37.38 | Agiofws | scan the subnet for ips |
| 14:38.09 | fred1_ | you want to discover devices on your LAN, you mean |
| 14:38.17 | fred1_ | that you arent already familiar with |
| 14:38.24 | Agiofws | yes |
| 14:38.24 | fred1_ | (emphasis on *your* lan) |
| 14:38.30 | Agiofws | whats the executables name |
| 14:39.00 | fred1_ | as opposed to, say, a lan that is not yours that you are allowed connectivity to, that it would be rude (or possibly a violation of the policy of whoevers it is) to probe |
| 14:39.20 | fred1_ | ping should do it |
| 14:39.23 | fred1_ | ping the broadcast |
| 14:40.01 | Agiofws | fred1_, there is a linux command |
| 14:40.08 | Agiofws | that scans the whole subnet |
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| 14:40.13 | Agiofws | i cant remember ist name |
| 14:40.29 | Agiofws | its a well known one |
| 14:40.50 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.53 | fred1_ | if you ping the broadcast address, anything on the lan will respond |
| 14:40.56 | Agiofws | whats foo |
| 14:41.03 | fred1_ | for instance, if you are on 192.168.1.0/255 |
| 14:41.09 | fred1_ | ping -b 192.168.1.255 |
| 14:41.15 | fred1_ | er |
| 14:41.21 | fred1_ | for instance, if you are on 192.168.1.0/24 (aka 255.255.255.0) |
| 14:41.37 | fred1_ | thats assuming a 24 bit mask |
| 14:41.40 | null_ptr | maybe somebody can help me. when i shutdown / reboot my fully patched debian 5.0, "killing all remaining processes...failed" appears, then it needs several minutes until the machine really does restart.?? any hints? |
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| 14:42.10 | fred1_ | null_ptr, does it happen to mention what process its failing to kill? |
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| 14:43.08 | null_ptr | fred1_ no. actually, it says "Stopping portmap daemon..", but killing portmap before rebboting doesn't help |
| 14:44.05 | fred1_ | unless you are running nfs or yp, you should probably disable portmap anyway |
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| 14:45.01 | lumis | anyone got vv working with the current stable release (from pidgin.im, not in the Debian repos) in Lenny? |
| 14:45.29 | null_ptr | will try that |
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| 15:02.18 | null_ptr | fred1_ removing portmap from rc.X helped. killing all remaining processes still fails, but at least i don't have to wait for minutes anymore |
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| 15:17.00 | nick4 | how do I disable reading confirmation in k3b? I am scanning again and again the options but I can't find where it is. I am running Testing. |
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| 15:19.01 | nick4 | arg! I just found it |
| 15:19.04 | nick4 | it was at the burn dialog |
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| 15:35.10 | Cerise | hi! |
| 15:35.47 | Cerise | i can't use php5-mysql - php doesn't load the mysql extension |
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| 15:36.36 | raboof | my laptop has an issue: when the cpu is idle, it emits a high-pitched noise. |
| 15:36.57 | raboof | online, I found that decreasing the max_cstate parameter of the 'processor' module |
| 15:37.02 | raboof | ... might help |
| 15:37.17 | JPT | Cerise: check /etc/php5/conf.d/ for a mysql.ini file :) |
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| 15:37.21 | raboof | however, on my testing box, there is no /sys/modules/processor/parameters/max_cstate |
| 15:37.29 | raboof | was this option moved or something? |
| 15:37.43 | abrotman | Cerise: which version of debian ? |
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| 15:38.11 | Cerise | abrotman: 5.0.3, JPT: doesn't exist :( |
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| 15:38.24 | JPT | mh |
| 15:38.38 | JPT | but you installed php5-mysql? |
| 15:38.42 | Cerise | yeah. |
| 15:38.45 | JPT | mh |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | !tell Cerise about confmiss |
| 15:39.20 | JPT | Cerise: check the php.ini you're using for a line like ";extension=mysql.so" |
| 15:39.45 | JPT | if there is one, remove the ; in front of it and check the results |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | he doesn't have the conf file ... |
| 15:41.15 | Python1320 | Anyone experienced with ebtables? I am trying to make a really odd rule which involves using a wildcard in the ip address, is this even possible? As a test I tried to block IP 74.125.77.104: http://pastebin.com/d3aa8f90d , but it doesn't work. Wildcard is not possible and 0 or 255 does not do anything. Any other way around? |
| 15:41.54 | Cerise | i did "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install php5-mysql" and now there's a mysql.ini, but it still doesn't work o.o |
| 15:42.18 | JPT | maybe the module in the mysql.ini is commented |
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| 15:43.39 | Cerise | JPT: in mysql.ini there's just one uncommented line: extension=mysql.so |
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| 15:45.25 | JPT | then it should work... |
| 15:49.03 | cockroach | how do i set a package to 'hold' state without using dselect? |
| 15:49.18 | cockroach | (i.e. only using dpkg / apt) |
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| 15:52.47 | hark | cockroach: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:53.18 | cockroach | hark: thanks |
| 15:53.25 | null_ptr | Python1320 i've never used ebtables, but when following the iptables syntax, 192.168.*.* would be 192.168.0.0/16 |
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| 15:53.50 | Python1320 | null_ptr, I'll try |
| 15:54.53 | Python1320 | null_ptr, ok sorry, in fact it would be other way around. *.*.*.1 |
| 15:55.16 | Python1320 | This way I could identify all gateways on my network. |
| 15:55.28 | Cerise | is /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini the right file? |
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| 15:56.56 | abrotman | Cerise: for what? you shouldn't need to edit that file |
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| 15:58.03 | giacomo_c | ok, i tried upgrading to squeeze and now i get an error that x won't start and it says something about there not being a monitor |
| 15:58.16 | null_ptr | don't know, if netfilter even supports this kind of filtering by default |
| 15:58.31 | abrotman | giacomo_c: try moving your xorg.conf to another name |
| 15:59.05 | giacomo_c | so it creates a new one |
| 15:59.15 | abrotman | no .. |
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| 16:00.34 | giacomo_c | before i tried to upgrade to squeeze, i had installed ati's proprietary drivers from their website, and i've tried running aticonfig --initial -f, but that doesn't help, i'll try moving the xorg.conf to another name then |
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| 16:04.28 | blacky | how do i install the sources for my kernel? im running 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 16:05.52 | abrotman | blacky: aptitude search linux-source |
| 16:06.37 | dreamer | hi all, I want to get this cardbus wifi card to work with my antient laptop running squeeze. Does anybody have some pointers on where to start with this? |
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| 16:14.55 | giacomo_c | awesome, i moved the xorg.conf to another name, like you said, and now i can at least get stuff running |
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| 16:16.04 | giacomo_c | but now, none of my windows have boarders, it looks like metacity didn't start up |
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| 16:18.11 | kraut | moin |
| 16:18.34 | log69 | giacomo_c: in my experience, sometimes it's better to reinstall than upgrade, especially on a system with complex configurations, wouldn't it be an alternative for you to reinstall everything? Anyway you have everything in home, and the installer would delete only the system folders, you should just make a backup of /etc |
| 16:19.49 | giacomo_c | yes, i think i could do this... but can i download a squeeze cd? |
| 16:20.36 | null_ptr | dreamer, google for linux together with the name of your card. usually you find some hints |
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| 16:22.01 | log69 | giacomo_c: download a netinstall - most of the time, something always got mixed up during my upgrades, i think this is because it might be hard to test every combination of the package upgrades (what changes what and how it affects the whole system after an upgrade, especially if they changed some behavior) - do go for netinstall i would suggest |
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| 16:22.33 | log69 | giacomo_c: or download CD1 |
| 16:22.59 | giacomo_c | i have the netinstall cd for lenny, but i was trying to upgrade to squeeze to use newer packages |
| 16:23.44 | log69 | giacomo_c: rather download the squeeze version to avoid full system upgrade |
| 16:23.51 | bartex | hi, i've downloaded debian squeeze netinstall, and the installator doesn't see my network card, any clue what to do? |
| 16:24.03 | bartex | i have a broadcom 440x on my laptop |
| 16:24.15 | giacomo_c | ah, ill look for the squeeze version then |
| 16:24.20 | Newbie16 | bartex: install over an ethernet cable |
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| 16:25.04 | bartex | Newbie16: but the installator doesn't see my network card |
| 16:25.28 | bartex | i want only to install the base system |
| 16:25.34 | log69 | bartex: as i remember, broadcom stuffs need firmwares that have stricter licenses, so maybe that's what is missing and you would need a package installed first |
| 16:25.55 | log69 | bartex: install CD1 then |
| 16:26.08 | Newbie16 | bartex: is the cable plugged in and ready to connect? |
| 16:26.14 | bartex | log69: hhm, thought so |
| 16:26.25 | Newbie16 | does the router use dhcp to connect? |
| 16:26.33 | bartex | Newbie16: that's not the problem |
| 16:26.38 | Newbie16 | dhcp to assign ip addresses* |
| 16:27.02 | Newbie16 | bartex: yea, the squeeze installer said no network card found, but when i plugged in the network cable it worked |
| 16:27.04 | bartex | log69: the CD1 will have modules for my card? |
| 16:28.03 | bartex | Newbie16: seriously? hhm, but i have a wifi network at home, i can plug the cable but i would have to change the mac address |
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| 16:28.51 | Newbie16 | installing over wifi is hard, installing over the ethernet cable is much easier |
| 16:29.19 | log69 | bartex: as i see, your card uses the b44 module - try modprobe b44 - what does it say? |
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| 16:29.22 | bartex | Newbie16: i can plug the cable but there will be no internet |
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| 16:29.38 | Newbie16 | bartex: why? |
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| 16:30.08 | bartex | log69: where to type it? after the installer prompt the communication "no card found"? |
| 16:31.33 | log69 | bartex: i meant after installing CD1, cause you would need the base system to find it out and make it work |
| 16:32.01 | bartex | Newbie16: at my home ISP give 3 IPs, one is plugged to router and so i have a wifi :), but if i want to plug the cable to must change the mac address because the other two IPs are for diffrent mac address |
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| 16:32.42 | Newbie16 | bartex: so why not change the mac address? |
| 16:33.12 | dreamer | null_ptr: there is no brand name on it |
| 16:33.12 | bartex | log69: ok :), but i can install the base system form CD1 without GNOME/KDE etc. |
| 16:33.22 | Newbie16 | or just get a router and set that to one of the ip addresses so you can have lots of devices on it |
| 16:33.42 | log69 | bartex: you can, just uncheck the Desktop system part in the installer, and leave only base checked |
| 16:33.51 | bartex | Newbie16: yes, yes :) but i must have a base system to do that. i don't know is there a way to do that while installing debian |
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| 16:34.15 | bartex | log69: good then, so i will download the squeeze CD1 right now |
| 16:34.20 | null_ptr | dreamer, plug the card in and check dmesg |
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| 16:35.28 | log69 | bartex: do you have another system and you can download from it? Newbie16 is right, the easiest would be to plug in a cable and install through that if you have a router with dhcp and of course if you have an ethernet device too beside wif |
| 16:35.31 | log69 | wifi |
| 16:36.13 | log69 | bartex: but if you download CD1, then you would have the whole base system without the need the connection to internet |
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| 16:37.38 | dreamer | null_ptr: hmmm, it just says there is a card inserted into slot 0, no particular brand name or version number |
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| 16:39.33 | bartex | log69: yes, but if i will use the netinstall cd i would have to change the mac address in the while installing debian. i don't think that there is a way to do that |
| 16:39.58 | bartex | log69: never mind now. i will download the CD1 and then configure the internet |
| 16:40.10 | bartex | log69: thanks for now :) |
| 16:40.14 | bartex | Newbie16: also thanks |
| 16:40.16 | bartex | :D |
| 16:40.27 | log69 | bartex: ok |
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| 16:47.30 | null_ptr | dreamer, is it a pcmcia card? |
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| 16:48.58 | dreamer | null_ptr: yes, well cardbus to be specific, but I think food is ready, so I'll be playing some more later :) |
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| 16:51.38 | null_ptr | dreamer, check lspci |
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| 16:53.20 | zoyd | hi, this is a little offtopic, does anyone know how usbmount works? |
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| 16:54.21 | Newbie16 | zoyd: be more specific, general usage is in the man page |
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| 16:55.55 | zoyd | Newbie16: i'm trying to install use it in a non-debian system .. i think i've copied the files http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/usbmount/filelist to the right place as they apply .. but this thing doesn't work |
| 16:55.55 | giacomo_c1 | for some reason, it takes iceweasle forever to load web pages in multiple tabs |
| 16:57.20 | Newbie16 | zoyd: which distro are you copying it to? |
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| 17:00.04 | JordiGH | If a library shipped with Debian (VTK) needs to be recompiled in order to support a feature (offscreen rendering), is this something I should nag the packager about, or should I just compile the library myself? It's just a matter of adding another option when compiling, but this adds more dependencies. |
| 17:00.06 | zoyd | Newbie16: source-based, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 17:00.41 | zoyd | Newbie16: i just figured i have lockfile missing that usbmount uses |
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| 17:02.06 | JordiGH | Is GRUB 2 stable? |
| 17:02.14 | JordiGH | hopes he doesn't end up with an unbootable system. |
| 17:02.29 | xxtjaxx | JordiGH, Sure got it here no problem |
| 17:02.44 | JordiGH | xxtjaxx: Did you upgrade from GRUB legacy? |
| 17:03.35 | Batchy | i got saved by grub2 recently |
| 17:03.40 | zoyd | Newbie16: it was lockfile, it seems to be working. |
| 17:03.49 | zoyd | Newbie16: thanks :) |
| 17:04.09 | xxtjaxx | DOh sorry must have mixed that up with my other machine which hasnt been shutdown for ages as its my server |
| 17:04.24 | xxtjaxx | ':-) |
| 17:05.18 | xxtjaxx | But what I wonder more about is that in sid the debian refcard is utterly broken |
| 17:05.23 | JordiGH | I'm a little uneasy about the upgrade... hope it doesn't mess up device names and it's ok with an encrypted partition. |
| 17:05.53 | fred1_ | how can I tell gnome to leave the dang dvd burner alone so k3b can burn |
| 17:05.56 | xxtjaxx | Dont believe it would bother |
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| 17:08.57 | saftsack | hi, i have a debian computer which gets its own ip per dhcp. now i want that the own hostname is updatet with the dhcp address after assigning |
| 17:09.16 | saftsack | so 1. i get an ip address, 2. i do ping my.own.hostname and then i get an answer from my external dhcp address |
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| 17:09.55 | webmaster | ive just installed a fresh debian lenny. How do i install .deb files? |
| 17:10.07 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 17:10.07 | dpkg | well, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 17:10.16 | zoyd | webmaster: "dpkg -i <file.deb>" |
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| 17:10.48 | cahoot | webmaster: why not use aptitude? |
| 17:10.59 | JordiGH | webmaster: I hope you mean, "how do I install packages?" so you should do "aptitude install <packagename>" |
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| 17:17.15 | fred1_ | Grr.. even growisofs from the cli doesnt work, on either of two burners |
| 17:17.19 | MJD | saftsack: Do you mean a remote hostname like: myhostname.com ? Or do you mean a local one like mycoolhost.local ? |
| 17:17.45 | saftsack | local |
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| 17:18.15 | fred1_ | ok.. its gnome-volume-manager. I killed it and all works now |
| 17:18.18 | fred1_ | stupid thing |
| 17:18.37 | fred1_ | if you dont have a fixed address, and an assigned permanent hostname, what difference does it make |
| 17:18.56 | MJD | saftsack: what do you use for your dhcp server? Do you use a hardware router, or do you use one you installed on a computer. |
| 17:19.47 | saftsack | don't know. because i want to change locations with my device |
| 17:20.14 | fred1_ | if you are just doing workstationy-type things, what hostname is set affects nothing |
| 17:20.27 | fred1_ | use 'localhost' if for some reason you need to address your own machine by name |
| 17:20.58 | fred1_ | if you are doing servery-type things, you want a fixed/assigned IP and hostname |
| 17:21.22 | MJD | generally speaking, the dhcp server and the dns server work together to update that information. |
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| 17:21.48 | MJD | If you want to use another name other then localhost to access the current computer you are on, you can modify /etc/hosts . |
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| 17:42.06 | macs_cant_count | can linux read hfs devices? |
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| 17:43.33 | log69 | macs_cant_count: afaik not reliable |
| 17:44.21 | fred1_ | eh? |
| 17:44.33 | fred1_ | im pretty surre hfs support has.. oh he left |
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| 17:45.26 | log69 | fred1_: hfs support is not fully reliable on linux, is it? |
| 17:45.34 | abrotman | no, it's not |
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| 17:46.37 | l3x | need help install java for programming using debian |
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| 17:48.44 | sphenxes | I would like to activate a second virtual desktop (gnome/lenny). I have found some tips for red hat which doesn't work with lenny. I would like to type ctrl+alt+f8 and get a login prompt or login in directly into gnome? any suggestion please. |
| 17:49.24 | zoyd | hi, anyone around use usbmount and notice a problem of partitions getting mounted twice? |
| 17:49.43 | patrikf | sphenxes: do you want that all of the time, or just sometimes? |
| 17:50.04 | sphenxes | patrikf, just sometimes |
| 17:50.11 | log69 | l3x: apt-get install netbeans-ide? |
| 17:50.17 | patrikf | sphenxes: if it's just occasionally, go gnome menu -> switch off -> change user |
| 17:50.23 | patrikf | er, sign off, not switch off |
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| 17:50.57 | sphenxes | patrikf, sorry i need both of them working simil. |
| 17:51.01 | sphenxes | simal. |
| 17:51.33 | patrikf | sphenxes: you can switch back and forth with ctrl-alt-f7/f8 |
| 17:51.50 | patrikf | the name's a bit irritating |
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| 17:52.20 | sphenxes | patrikf, it is not working for some reason, where can I add some script to activate f8 |
| 17:52.38 | patrikf | sphenxes: in what way is it not working? do you get an error message? |
| 17:53.14 | sphenxes | patrikf , i get a cursor and black screen |
| 17:53.20 | sphenxes | alt+ctrl + fy |
| 17:53.22 | sphenxes | f8 |
| 17:53.41 | patrikf | sphenxes: I mean when you click "switch user" in the sign off dialog |
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| 17:54.49 | l3x | log69, haven't tried that. Is that the only package? |
| 17:55.40 | sphenxes | patrikf, i do not use switch user. I simply click ctrl+alt+f8 from my screen (it was working that way in SuSE before i use debian |
| 17:55.57 | patrikf | sphenxes: then USE switch user! |
| 17:56.13 | sphenxes | patrikf, thanks, i think i get it at last |
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| 17:57.03 | log69 | l3x: there is eclips too, but rather run a "apt-cache search java ide development" |
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| 17:58.38 | Sergio` | Is there a djvu reader for console, like there is fbgs for pdf? |
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| 17:58.50 | l3x | log69, ok cool i do a search |
| 17:59.05 | valdyn | Sergio`: a few |
| 17:59.15 | Sergio` | valdyn: can you name one? |
| 17:59.26 | valdyn | Sergio`: for which desktop environment? |
| 17:59.31 | Sergio` | TTY |
| 17:59.51 | Sergio` | No Desktop Environment. |
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| 18:00.14 | valdyn | Sergio`: djvu is images, no? |
| 18:00.28 | Sergio` | It's an ebook format. |
| 18:00.40 | patrikf | Sergio`: tried your luck with djvups? |
| 18:00.49 | patrikf | (and then fbgs for the ps?) |
| 18:00.57 | Sergio` | I'll look for that. |
| 18:01.55 | Sergio` | patrikf: I was using djvu2pdf to read in fbgs but one of the files was 4.7MB for djvu and the converted pdf was 14GB. |
| 18:02.13 | patrikf | ouch |
| 18:02.17 | JordiGH | That's a limitation of the formats. |
| 18:02.22 | valdyn | Sergio`: you need ocr software to get djvu documents to the console |
| 18:02.25 | JordiGH | djvu is meant for scanned documents; pdf isn't. |
| 18:02.43 | l3x | log69, alot of packages |
| 18:03.05 | JordiGH | valdyn: What? djvu has already been OCR'ed. |
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| 18:03.41 | valdyn | JordiGH: can be |
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| 18:04.43 | JordiGH | valdyn: djvu stores each character individually and only once, so it replaces that image wherever it appears in the scanned document. This looks like OCR to me. Are there other modes of operation for djvu? |
| 18:04.49 | log69 | l3x: try this: apt-cache search java ide | grep -i development | grep -v "^lib" |
| 18:05.01 | UNiTee | hmm |
| 18:05.16 | valdyn | JordiGH: djvu just embeds images, the text is optional |
| 18:05.25 | UNiTee | how can i get 1200x800 as an available screen resolution in debian |
| 18:05.41 | patrikf | UNiTee: what is it now? |
| 18:05.48 | UNiTee | lol |
| 18:05.51 | UNiTee | what is it now? |
| 18:05.52 | JordiGH | lol |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | UNiTee: xrandr |
| 18:06.07 | l3x | log69, i get eight packages |
| 18:06.53 | log69 | l3x: to check out a package, use this: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 18:07.01 | UNiTee | says my min is 640x480 |
| 18:07.08 | UNiTee | and max is 800x600 |
| 18:07.09 | log69 | l3x: it'll give you a rather short description |
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| 18:07.10 | patrikf | UNiTee: can you paste the output to a pastebin |
| 18:07.14 | log69 | l3x: of the package |
| 18:07.17 | UNiTee | sec. |
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| 18:08.12 | UNiTee | http://unitypunk.pastebin.com/m7ef6bb1 |
| 18:08.28 | l3x | log69, ok, what do i need. i just need to get java to compile and run thats it. i will you kate as my editor. Trying to get this HW done |
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| 18:08.41 | abrotman | UNiTee: what is your video card? and which video driver are you using ? |
| 18:08.58 | log69 | l3x: so you need java sdk |
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| 18:09.11 | UNiTee | vesa |
| 18:09.14 | abrotman | UNiTee: also what is your kernel 'uname -r' |
| 18:09.23 | log69 | l3x: apt-cache search java sdk |
| 18:09.26 | abrotman | vesa is not a video card ... |
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| 18:09.36 | UNiTee | you asked which driver to :) |
| 18:09.45 | log69 | l3x: i'd first go on with openjdk |
| 18:09.48 | UNiTee | card is nvidia gefore go. |
| 18:10.03 | abrotman | and your kernel? |
| 18:10.10 | UNiTee | sec. |
| 18:10.13 | l3x | log69, ok i'll search for it |
| 18:10.22 | UNiTee | 2.6.29.4 |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | no it's not |
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| 18:10.38 | abrotman | that is NOT what 'uname -r' returns |
| 18:10.42 | UNiTee | wanna bet? |
| 18:10.42 | log69 | l3x: in non-free repo, you can find sun jdk too, you might need it if you have any compatibility problem with java code i guess |
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| 18:10.54 | abrotman | then it's not a Debian kernel |
| 18:10.55 | UNiTee | bt:~# uname -r |
| 18:10.55 | UNiTee | 2.6.29.4 |
| 18:11.06 | abrotman | good luck with your nvidia binary mess |
| 18:11.11 | patrikf | why did you hand-compile a kernel? is this even a debian system? |
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| 18:11.19 | UNiTee | wwha? |
| 18:11.23 | l3x | log69, ok i see eight packages, will that do the job? |
| 18:11.25 | UNiTee | should be |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | UNiTee: that's not a Debian kernel .. we have no idea if any nvidia installation method will work |
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| 18:11.39 | UNiTee | its not? |
| 18:11.43 | UNiTee | hmm |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | UNiTee: what does `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' return ? |
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| 18:12.00 | log69 | l3x: install openjdk-6-jdk then, but i'm not a java developer, you should know better ;) |
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| 18:12.08 | abrotman | UNiTee: are you running BackTrack >? |
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| 18:12.17 | UNiTee | yes |
| 18:12.19 | UNiTee | bt4 |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | FFS .. go to their channel for support, it's not supported here |
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| 18:12.41 | UNiTee | ffs its still debian isnt it? |
| 18:12.44 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 18:12.56 | UNiTee | then why do all the damn debian commands work on it?! |
| 18:13.02 | abrotman | because it's debian-based |
| 18:13.05 | l3x | log69, lol neither am i. just trying to turn in this simple program for class. i hate programming |
| 18:13.07 | UNiTee | ... |
| 18:13.10 | UNiTee | sigh. |
| 18:13.22 | UNiTee | so if i cant get assistance in its home ch, where do i go? |
| 18:13.24 | abrotman | that doesn't make it Debian, if it were Debian, it would be called Debian, not Backtrack .. use their channel for support, not this one |
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| 18:13.30 | abrotman | UNiTee: maybe ##linux if you're lucky |
| 18:13.56 | UNiTee | i dont understand how something built UP fromd ebian can be NOT debian. |
| 18:13.59 | log69 | l3x: i see :) |
| 18:14.26 | log69 | l3x: anyway, openjdk-6-jdk should be what you're looking for |
| 18:14.35 | mee | UNiTee: fwiw, I've had good luck using the installer directly from nvidia, but no luck w/ the debian packages |
| 18:14.37 | abrotman | UNiTee: We do not support Debian-based distros in this channel, if you want support here, install Debian |
| 18:14.49 | abrotman | mee: if you want to help him, go to the backtrack channel |
| 18:14.58 | l3x | log69, hell yea log69 im going to run that install right now |
| 18:15.00 | UNiTee | rofl |
| 18:15.01 | mee | I don't, actually. |
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| 18:16.35 | avu | UNiTee, what about it don't you understand? they take debian, modify it, add stuff, remove stuff, change stuff, then release it. of course it's not debian. |
| 18:16.43 | avu | it's really quite simple |
| 18:17.17 | UNiTee | except it is. |
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| 18:17.24 | UNiTee | if you start with george w. |
| 18:17.25 | avu | UNiTee, by your logic, SuSE is slackware |
| 18:17.27 | UNiTee | cut his arms off |
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| 18:17.32 | UNiTee | add chenys arms |
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| 18:17.38 | valdyn | !listkeys oxygen |
| 18:17.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'oxygen' by key (1): doxygen. |
| 18:17.44 | valdyn | oo |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | UNiTee: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, Backtrack support is in #remote-exploit |
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| 18:18.37 | Redeux2 | Hi |
| 18:18.50 | patrikf | UNiTee: if you take a movie's scenes, rearrange them in a completely different order, add scenes, remove scenes, it's not the same movie |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | could we move on? |
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| 18:20.05 | l3x | log69, lol it tells me to insert the debian cd lmao. i must already been install |
| 18:20.06 | l3x | lmao |
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| 18:22.37 | log69 | l3x: it may be because your sources.list contains a path to your cdrom, as an alternative search path |
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| 18:22.53 | log69 | l3x: remove it if so, then apt-get clean; apt-get update; apt-get install whatever |
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| 18:25.05 | cylonmath | where is that vmlinuz we dont have vmlinuz under boot/ directory but the system is working :S |
| 18:25.16 | l3x | log69, well i typed in java on the console loaded up..... :/ |
| 18:25.35 | l3x | log69, does it mean its properly installed? |
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| 18:26.42 | log69 | l3x: you mean, what it means in english? it means it's not correctly installed - give more details about what you did |
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| 18:27.37 | log69 | l3x: i misunderstood you |
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| 18:28.48 | log69 | l3x: you got error message? or some info about a command usage? |
| 18:28.49 | l3x | log69, sorry it gave me that prompt. So i decided to see if java was installed on my computer. i typed in java to see if its installed. Worked |
| 18:29.00 | log69 | l3x: ok |
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| 18:33.14 | Rezagrats | . |
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| 18:34.40 | l3x | log69, i might nag u in about 30 mins, got to finish coding this prog |
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| 18:35.19 | log69 | l3x: ok |
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| 18:37.14 | dreamer | null_ptr: I don't see any of the two cards I have (one for wired, other wireless) in lspci |
| 18:37.24 | dreamer | the wired one works btw |
| 18:38.18 | log69 | dreamer: your wireless might be a usb one, try lsusb too (i saw nowadays a lot of new notebook with usb wifi) |
| 18:38.55 | dreamer | log69: I have a cardbus card for wifi |
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| 18:46.58 | Rezagrats | Isn't Debian supposed to have a splashscreen image ? |
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| 18:48.48 | cylonmath | what the heck, my /boot/ directory is totally empty , there is no vmlinuz or System.map ???? |
| 18:48.56 | cylonmath | What kind of debian is this guys ? |
| 18:49.17 | cahoot | an unmounted partition? |
| 18:49.34 | cylonmath | I can boot the system ? |
| 18:49.48 | cylonmath | its an Arm based device |
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| 18:50.31 | Tapout | weird issue, touch test.z && gzip --fast --force test.z |
| 18:50.50 | Tapout | another guy said his machine compresses it, mine rejects the --force |
| 18:50.54 | Tapout | anyone know why? |
| 18:50.57 | Tapout | (no alias) setup |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | wrong optoin order ? |
| 18:53.17 | Farhadix | hi, how disable auto mounting USB flashes until restart system? |
| 18:53.38 | Tapout | abrotman, still samething |
| 18:53.47 | Tapout | does it work for you abrotman? |
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| 18:54.36 | abrotman | Tapout: it's looking by extension it would seem |
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| 18:54.53 | abrotman | touch test.asdf && gzip --fast --force test.asdf |
| 18:54.55 | abrotman | works just fine |
| 18:55.07 | Tapout | yep, but it works for others. That extension is used multiple times with our layouts of partitioned files |
| 18:55.17 | Tapout | test.z <-- z prefix for the partitioned files |
| 18:55.30 | Tapout | so i'll have to either restructure the naming or figure out why gzip doesn't believe --force |
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| 18:57.11 | abrotman | seems to me it shouldn't just look at the extension .. but what do i know |
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| 18:57.27 | Tapout | abrotman, the funny thing is, it works for another guy.. |
| 18:57.30 | Tapout | maybe it's a bug with this gzip |
| 18:57.36 | Tapout | cause he's got one version higher |
| 18:57.46 | abrotman | another guy on Debian ? |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | judd: versions gzip |
| 18:58.00 | judd | abrotman: gzip -- etch: 1.3.5-15 lenny: 1.3.12-6 sid: 1.3.12-8 squeeze: 1.3.12-8 |
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| 18:58.27 | Tapout | he said 1.3.13 worked |
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| 18:59.08 | Tapout | is there a way to get Judd to run it and report back failure/success on each version? etch/lenny/sid/squeeze? |
| 18:59.27 | DanRigby | random question if anyone knows the answer (its off topic): In the 90s there was a large us cell provider that had a small alien with an intenna on its head as a logo, does anyone remember the name of this company? |
| 18:59.52 | xand | ?pxe |
| 18:59.55 | xand | !pxe |
| 18:59.55 | dpkg | pxe is, like, Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 Also ask about <gPXE>. |
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| 19:01.39 | abrotman | Tapout: no, judd is just a bot |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | Tapout: but i have 1.3.12-8 here, and it doesn't work as you want |
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| 19:02.45 | Tapout | abrotman, if 1.3.13 works, is that big enough of a bug to get debian people to fix it? |
| 19:02.51 | Tapout | or should I source compile gzip ? |
| 19:03.15 | abrotman | Tapout: well, it may already be in preparation |
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| 19:03.50 | Tapout | what does that mean, it's held back because of a 'freeze' or something? |
| 19:03.58 | abrotman | it just means it hasn't been packaged yet |
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| 19:04.47 | Tapout | roger, i'll rename my files, probably easier at this point but i find it funny that it doesn't work :) |
| 19:05.06 | abrotman | Tapout: i mean .. you can file a bug (i don't see anything related) .. or ask where .13 is |
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| 19:09.34 | nsadmin | Tapout: there are a coupla questions you haven't answered... one, this "other guy" is on debian? two, what -exactly- do you mean when you say "rejects --force" |
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| 19:10.07 | Tapout | <grawity> Tapout: Arch. |
| 19:10.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: it errors and doesn't compress it |
| 19:10.29 | Tapout | nsadmin, he's on Arch (whatever that is) .. and his version won't error and halt. Mine does... |
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| 19:10.42 | nsadmin | oh, ok... what is the exact message? |
| 19:10.57 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.57 | Tapout | gzip: test.z already has .z suffix -- unchanged |
| 19:11.09 | Tapout | -f or --force, both ignored |
| 19:11.24 | nsadmin | oh I see, ok, thanks |
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| 19:12.45 | FinnTux | any idea why aptitude started using ipv6 addresses on two of my machines? provider changed something? |
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| 19:14.33 | Tapout | nsadmin, if you missed it.. 1.3.12 doesn't work, 1.3.13 does.. so i figure it's a known bug to the gzip people.. just hasn't trickled down.. not a big deal really, i'll just rename all my files |
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| 19:15.52 | nsadmin | Tapout hmm, why don't you grab the later source and check out the changelog? |
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| 19:17.08 | hark | FinnTux: that's the default |
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| 19:20.30 | Sergio` | How can I bind two directories in fstab but with the directories having spaces? |
| 19:20.58 | Sergio` | I tried to escape the space and use double quotes. |
| 19:21.02 | nsadmin | why have spaces? why not rename them? |
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| 19:21.20 | Sergio` | nsadmin: To look more English correct. |
| 19:21.34 | nsadmin | not a good reason |
| 19:21.41 | dv_ | a while ago debian replaced bash with dah |
| 19:21.42 | dv_ | dash |
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| 19:21.56 | abrotman | not quite |
| 19:21.59 | dv_ | since then tab completion no longer works for filenames with whitespaces |
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| 19:22.12 | abrotman | you were provided with the option to replace bash with dash as the symlink for /bin/sh |
| 19:22.17 | patrikf | dv_: huh? no. |
| 19:22.18 | dv_ | it works until the filename hits the whitespace |
| 19:22.20 | abrotman | and you don't have to do that |
| 19:22.23 | patrikf | just continue to use bash |
| 19:22.25 | dv_ | then it just doesnt work anymore |
| 19:22.37 | abrotman | or just keep talking nonsense |
| 19:22.40 | Sergio` | nsadmin: Anyway can I do it with spaces or I'm forced to use underscores? |
| 19:22.44 | dv_ | well ok, how do I switch back? |
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| 19:22.47 | dv_ | manual re-symlink? |
| 19:22.48 | hark | Sergio`: escape using \040 |
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| 19:23.06 | abrotman | dv_: dpkg-reconfigure dash maybe ? dpkg-reconfigure bash? |
| 19:23.07 | nsadmin | Sergio` man 5 fstab and see |
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| 19:23.30 | dv_ | ah not update-alternatives |
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| 19:23.52 | Sergio` | hark: cool, thanks man! |
| 19:24.00 | patrikf | dv_: or chsh. depending on how you got dash to begin with |
| 19:24.11 | hark | dv_: which version of debian? |
| 19:24.13 | abrotman | patrikf: dpkg-reconfigure dash .. chsh has nothing to do with it |
| 19:24.15 | dv_ | testing |
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| 19:24.39 | patrikf | abrotman: huh? he can still use bash as his shell, even with /bin/sh pointing to dash. |
| 19:24.43 | hark | dv_: you probably need to wait until the newer bash-completion package reaches testing |
| 19:25.05 | dv_ | by the way, why cant I switch the default gcc with update-alternatives? |
| 19:25.09 | hark | or just get it from sid |
| 19:25.12 | dv_ | sounds a bit illogical |
| 19:25.13 | nsadmin | Sergio` notice that you're trading "english looking under normal operation" for "weird escape sequences in fstab" |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | patrikf: he doesn't actually know what he's talking about .. the dash change affected /bin/sh, so unless his shell is set to /bin/sh, shuldn't matter |
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| 19:25.42 | abrotman | patrikf: and if your script has bash-isms, then it should probably call bash directly instead of /bin/sh |
| 19:25.59 | patrikf | abrotman: my script doesn't rely on whitespace tab-completion ;-) |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | good |
| 19:27.43 | FinnTux | hark, didn't work like that few days ago. apparently something has changed. well gotta as my provider |
| 19:27.44 | hark | dv_: /msg dpkg gcc |
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| 19:28.47 | hark | FinnTux: if you have ipv6 and the repo supports it, it will default to it. that's the normal behavior i think |
| 19:28.51 | Newbie16 | hi |
| 19:29.03 | shad0w | freetype module isnot used anymore in X? |
| 19:29.19 | Newbie16 | where can i ask for a feature to be added to the debian installer? |
| 19:29.28 | abrotman | what kind of feature? |
| 19:29.40 | nsadmin | creature feature |
| 19:29.47 | dv_ | gah |
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| 19:30.03 | dv_ | neither dash nor bash tab-complete stuff with whitespaces |
| 19:30.10 | Newbie16 | you see when you create a new encrypted partition, it asks if you want to wipe it with random data, but its very slow, i would like it wiped with just 0s for speed |
| 19:30.17 | dv_ | so the tab-completion package is indeed broken I guess |
| 19:30.23 | dv_ | err bash-completion |
| 19:30.37 | nsadmin | dv_: probably a configuration issue... |
| 19:30.47 | hark | dv_: with bash 4 |
| 19:31.24 | dv_ | yeah 4.0.28 |
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| 19:33.01 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: just one pass of 0 filling? |
| 19:33.05 | Newbie16 | yes |
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| 19:34.19 | Newbie16 | swayingshmoon: but as part of the installer so the user could 0 fill it or random with a mention that random is slower |
| 19:34.25 | abrotman | Newbie16: did you fill out an isntallation report? |
| 19:34.37 | Newbie16 | no, what is an installation report? |
| 19:34.56 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: how would that hide data that's stored on that partition from being easily recognized? |
| 19:35.07 | Newbie16 | swayingshmoon: its encrypted |
| 19:35.09 | dutchfish | hi, i need a recent netinstall, normally i use jigdo but thats not anymore there in squize, jigit does not work nomather how hard i try, how to get a latest d-i netintstall iso ? |
| 19:35.25 | hark | !dbugs 544024 |
| 19:35.26 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas04.html.en |
| 19:35.30 | dpkg | DONE:#544024:I[bash-completion] bash-completion: cannot complete path if path component contains spaces (confirmed fixed-upstream); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:42:14 UTC [547349 549284 549548 550186] |
| 19:35.50 | abrotman | dutchfish: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:36.16 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: thank you |
| 19:36.20 | dutchfish | abrotman, right, that works for lenny but i need the weekly for testing |
| 19:36.28 | abrotman | dutchfish: read that page again |
| 19:36.34 | abrotman | (no weekly, look for a daily) |
| 19:36.35 | FinnTux | hark, problem is that apparently ipv6 is not working. aptitude tries to connect v6 address but hangs there. ftp.fi.debian.org should support it though |
| 19:36.42 | Newbie16 | swayingshmoon: thanks for what? |
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| 19:37.06 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: for the discussion |
| 19:37.14 | Newbie16 | ... |
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| 19:37.30 | swayingshmoon | although, having a repeating pattern in a file that's encrypted doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 19:37.41 | swayingshmoon | especially one that acts as a delimiter |
| 19:37.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, ouch, thank you Sir, still i hope jigdo come sback soon, ty |
| 19:38.27 | Newbie16 | swayingshmoon: but seeding is used to stop it looking like blocks of the same data |
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| 19:39.15 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: i don't know much about encryption |
| 19:39.20 | hark | FinnTux: yes, ftp.fi.debian.org supports ipv6. your choice is either to use another repo, blaclist ipv6 or set the default to prefer ipv4 in /etc/gai.conf |
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| 19:39.33 | little_owl | Hello, what is Debian's way how to modify services? Is there something like Redhat's chkonfig? |
| 19:39.40 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 19:39.49 | hark | invoke-rc.d? |
| 19:39.55 | little_owl | Great, thanks! |
| 19:40.00 | hark | oh, nm :) |
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| 19:40.43 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: what happens if the seed routine is calculated somehow? |
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| 19:41.12 | FinnTux | hark, actually aptitude switches to ipv4 after a while but now it is trying to connect to security.debian.org using ipv6 |
| 19:41.33 | swayingshmoon | i guess if that's the case, random or 0 wouldn't matter |
| 19:42.04 | Newbie16 | swayingshmoon: but it would depend on the initial pass phrase which is long, and deriving the 0 outputs of all the possible keyboard combos would take a while |
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| 19:43.30 | swayingshmoon | Newbie16: does the pass phrase do the bit shifting part before it's fed into the encrypting process? |
| 19:44.12 | Newbie16 | not too sure how it works in luks |
| 19:44.25 | swayingshmoon | thank you |
| 19:44.42 | Newbie16 | i mean dm-crypt |
| 19:45.53 | FinnTux | hark, eventually aptitude switches to ipv4 when connecting to security.debian.org too. default behaviour like you said... |
| 19:46.11 | FinnTux | just wondering why it takes so long to trying to use ipv6 |
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| 19:48.45 | tabashco | is there an equivalent to chflags in debian? |
| 19:49.00 | portalgod | re all. I just started a fresh debian install, and let tasksel download couple packages. turns out it wants to download like 800 packages. Is there a way to cancel that? will a ctrl-c croak the installer? |
| 19:49.44 | abrotman | probably kill it, though it wwould take less time to start over than downlaod all that stuff |
| 19:50.06 | portalgod | that's what i'm thinking |
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| 19:50.29 | portalgod | 1 hr 30 minutes left ! gah |
| 19:50.40 | portalgod | i might as well try ctrl c and see what happens :) |
| 19:50.44 | simonrvn | !ops YaLaka on-join spam |
| 19:50.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: YaLaka on-join spam |
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| 19:51.01 | abrotman | simonrvn: thanks |
| 19:51.09 | simonrvn | pats the bot |
| 19:51.24 | simonrvn | abrotman: :) |
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| 19:54.02 | nsadmin | the full manti |
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| 19:56.13 | j_14 | Hello. Is there an HTML5 capable browser in squeeze right now? |
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| 19:58.13 | swayingshmoon | debian is nimble, as far as juggernauts go |
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| 20:02.30 | lilzeus | if I want to burn the latest Debian onto on a dvd, what file do I need to download? |
| 20:02.52 | abrotman | if you have broadband, just use the netinst |
| 20:02.55 | lilzeus | I am sitting here looking at 31! dvd isos |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | get the netinst .. it's 160MB |
| 20:03.31 | krisfremen | the first two will be enough lilzeus |
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| 20:03.41 | krisfremen | but if you have broadband, go with the netinst |
| 20:03.52 | nsadmin | you could distribute that download across the next few years |
| 20:03.58 | lilzeus | I won't be installing it on this machine |
| 20:03.59 | nsadmin | instead of doing it all now |
| 20:04.11 | krisfremen | next few years lmao |
| 20:04.13 | nsadmin | will you be installing onto a machine on the net? |
| 20:04.14 | abrotman | lilzeus: so what? does the machine you're installing to have broadband or not ? |
| 20:04.31 | maddash | nsadmin: HAHAHAHA |
| 20:04.47 | nsadmin | maddash: it's true tho! |
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| 20:05.26 | lilzeus | nsadmin: yes, but that is why I am putting Debian on, for some reason the current install's(Ubuntu) networking doesn't work anymore |
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| 20:05.45 | lilzeus | abrotman: no |
| 20:05.48 | nsadmin | the reason why we're trying to talk you into the netinst is it's less taxing on the mirrors |
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| 20:06.05 | abrotman | lilzeus: and there shouldn't be 31DVDs .. maybe you mean 31CDs ? |
| 20:06.06 | nsadmin | lilzeus: oh, that's a different issue. find out why first. |
| 20:06.21 | nsadmin | stay with what you have, and find out why it doesn't work |
| 20:06.34 | nsadmin | then, if you still want debian you can go for it |
| 20:06.35 | lilzeus | abrotman: 31 iso's |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | CD ISOs .. not DVD ISOs |
| 20:06.48 | krisfremen | lilzeus: just get the first two isos |
| 20:07.00 | krisfremen | they contain the most popular packages |
| 20:07.09 | lilzeus | abrotman: the page says "Cd/DVD" |
| 20:07.21 | krisfremen | because there's also a dvd release |
| 20:07.23 | lilzeus | "Official CD/DVD images of the stable release" |
| 20:07.37 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 20:07.37 | abrotman | there are not 31 DVD ISOs |
| 20:07.37 | krisfremen | cds are around 700 megs |
| 20:07.37 | krisfremen | dvds are at around 4.7 gigs |
| 20:07.37 | sylar | how to compare packages that are installed on two machines? |
| 20:07.41 | krisfremen | you can see the difference... |
| 20:07.45 | abrotman | lilzeus: you can probably get by with just the DVD and then get the rest of the packages from the net |
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| 20:07.53 | nsadmin | sylar: first define your basis for comparison |
| 20:07.56 | lilzeus | ok |
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| 20:08.05 | abrotman | lilzeus: sorry .. just the first DVD |
| 20:08.05 | lilzeus | why is Debian so huge? |
| 20:08.10 | sylar | nsadmin, installed or not + version |
| 20:08.15 | abrotman | why other distros so small ? |
| 20:08.16 | Guerin | lilzeus: because it has so much software in it |
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| 20:08.22 | nsadmin | lilzeus: really... find out what the problem is. |
| 20:08.24 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 20:08.24 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 20:08.39 | nsadmin | going to another dist WILL NOT solve a problem you haven't researched. |
| 20:08.43 | krisfremen | HHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAA |
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| 20:08.44 | swayingshmoon | heh |
| 20:08.49 | lilzeus | nsadmin: I have been working with people for over 12 hours, nobody can figure it out |
| 20:09.06 | krisfremen | lilzeus: what's the problem again? |
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| 20:09.16 | nsadmin | lilzeus: you're hanging on #ubuntu? |
| 20:09.17 | lilzeus | krisfremen: problem is offtopic |
| 20:09.19 | abrotman | krisfremen: it's an ubuntu problem, it's offtopic here |
| 20:09.36 | lilzeus | see what I mean? |
| 20:09.36 | krisfremen | right |
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| 20:09.51 | lilzeus | I tried #ubuntu, #linux etc |
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| 20:09.59 | zleap | krisfremen, try joining #ubuntu or ubuntu-uk |
| 20:10.11 | krisfremen | i won't be seen in those channels... |
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| 20:10.25 | zleap | why |
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| 20:10.38 | krisfremen | hates ubuntu |
| 20:10.38 | krisfremen | period |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 20:10.51 | zleap | ok |
| 20:10.58 | nsadmin | lilzeus ok, let me ask you this... do you have unpartitioned room to install a very small test dist and keep everything else you have? |
| 20:11.28 | nsadmin | or lvm pv/vg space |
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| 20:12.15 | lilzeus | no |
| 20:12.17 | lilzeus | I do not |
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| 20:12.26 | nsadmin | also, have you tried swapping net cards and cables |
| 20:12.32 | lilzeus | well, I could put it on a completely different drive |
| 20:12.45 | lilzeus | nsadmin: yep, I sure have, happened to have extra cards |
| 20:12.47 | nsadmin | lilzeus: that would work |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | unless he's going to install debian .... |
| 20:13.08 | lilzeus | well, isn't Debian better? |
| 20:13.20 | nsadmin | I don't know! |
| 20:13.30 | nsadmin | you decide, by trying it |
| 20:13.35 | abrotman | are you going to install Debian or not? if you're going to troubleshoot your current install, go somewhere else |
| 20:13.58 | lilzeus | dude, why don't you freaking back off |
| 20:14.05 | lilzeus | I am not here to troubleshoot |
| 20:14.13 | lilzeus | I have not even hinted at it |
| 20:14.20 | abrotman | and you've been pointed to the installation media .. |
| 20:14.25 | lilzeus | yes, thank you |
| 20:14.28 | swayingshmoon | you wonder why it's possible to ask questions in here and get coherent, reliable responses and it's chaos in #ubuntu? |
| 20:14.32 | lilzeus | I have also been asked other questions |
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| 20:14.42 | lilzeus | ABOUT DEBIAN |
| 20:14.48 | abrotman | no, they weren't |
| 20:14.55 | lilzeus | YES they are |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | no |
| 20:15.07 | nsadmin | let's all calm down, he originally came wondering about debian. |
| 20:15.15 | nsadmin | the only thing remaining |
| 20:15.15 | lilzeus | thank you |
| 20:15.18 | nsadmin | is for him to decide |
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| 20:15.26 | lilzeus | I have the links I need |
| 20:15.34 | abrotman | nsadmin: and now you're trying to help him fix his current situation .. if he wants debian, he has the media .. he shuld burn it and install .. |
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| 20:16.01 | gnarface | debian!! |
| 20:16.02 | lilzeus | no, he isn't...he was helping me with installs of DEbian |
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| 20:16.09 | nsadmin | true. he has to decide. |
| 20:16.10 | krisfremen | hides and waits for the fireworks |
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| 20:16.35 | lilzeus | thank you nsadmin: maybe I will put DEBIAN on the other drive |
| 20:16.39 | nsadmin | I would suggest you try the netinst media for lenny and your arch, as you say, on a separate drive. |
| 20:17.06 | gnarface | i suggest fedora!! |
| 20:17.16 | swayingshmoon | tainted |
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| 20:17.20 | gnarface | kidding |
| 20:17.28 | gnarface | redhat sucks |
| 20:17.43 | lilzeus | (01:08:15 PM) abrotman: why other distros so small ? <----off topic |
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| 20:17.48 | bookmark | hiya |
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| 20:18.04 | bookmark | anyone know how to upgrade the stable kernel if there is an update? |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | lilzeus: it was in response to your question about debian being so large |
| 20:18.12 | bookmark | i mean... like to find out if there is one |
| 20:18.15 | nsadmin | debian wanted to stay small too, but more maints came in |
| 20:18.25 | nsadmin | and started ITPing like crazy |
| 20:18.25 | lilzeus | that question is off topic |
| 20:18.30 | lilzeus | I was asking about Debian |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | bookmark: you should be subscribed to the DSA list .. you'll get notice .. but if you have the metapackage |
| 20:18.33 | lilzeus | lol |
| 20:18.33 | quagga | bookmark: the same way you'd update any other package? |
| 20:18.35 | abrotman | lilzeus: knock it off |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | bookmark: if you have the metapackage .. it'll grab the newest one available |
| 20:18.53 | krisfremen | gnarls gnarface |
| 20:18.57 | lilzeus | as soon as you do, I will :) |
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| 20:19.24 | bookmark | abrotman, what is a meta package? i don't want to compile or anything, i just want to see if a newer one avail for lenny |
| 20:19.26 | krisfremen | doesn't like fedora either |
| 20:19.33 | maddash | loves fedoras |
| 20:19.47 | nsadmin | likes what works, I like choices. |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | !ot |
| 20:19.58 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | bookmark: uname -a .. what is your current kernel |
| 20:20.20 | bookmark | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:20.24 | bookmark | kachow |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | so your meta package would be like linux-image-686 |
| 20:20.57 | nsadmin | kachow... isnt' that a cuban bass player? |
| 20:21.03 | krisfremen | rofl |
| 20:21.08 | bookmark | kachow is what lightning mcqueen says |
| 20:21.20 | bookmark | hehe |
| 20:21.27 | SunnyPxssy | mcqueen is the best |
| 20:21.28 | SunnyPxssy | :D:D:D |
| 20:21.31 | krisfremen | say who? |
| 20:21.33 | bookmark | abrotman, ok i installed that, now what? |
| 20:22.12 | abrotman | if your kernel is up to date .. nothing |
| 20:22.25 | bookmark | wha? |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | !tell bookmark about metapackage |
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| 20:23.57 | azm | where can Isetup date and time pls ? |
| 20:24.09 | abrotman | !tell azm about set the time |
| 20:24.20 | nsadmin | if you're well connected you should consider ntp |
| 20:25.07 | bookmark | debian:~# dpkg -I linux-image-686 |
| 20:25.07 | bookmark | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `linux-image-686': No such file or directory |
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| 20:25.15 | bookmark | how do i look at the depends? |
| 20:25.30 | bookmark | can you blow me where the pampers.... |
| 20:25.39 | azm | the problem is it does not work |
| 20:25.49 | azm | I setup my position and server |
| 20:25.54 | azm | but time is still bad |
| 20:26.02 | SunnyPxssy | man date |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | bookmark: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 20:26.10 | azm | no. |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | azm: how is the time bad ? |
| 20:26.17 | azm | its bad |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | azm: how is the time bad ? |
| 20:26.23 | SunnyPxssy | set it up |
| 20:26.23 | azm | like 10 hours ago |
| 20:26.31 | abrotman | okay .. then be vague ... |
| 20:26.41 | azm | I asked just for configure file |
| 20:26.45 | azm | nothing more |
| 20:26.46 | bookmark | hmm ok.... it did some stuff.... |
| 20:26.48 | abrotman | i asked you how the time was bad |
| 20:26.50 | ix | campus is over there > |
| 20:27.05 | gnarface | the first thing you want to determine azm, is whether its the system time that's wrong or the hardware time, or both. then you want to determine if the system time is only wrong because it's correctly set to UTC or not |
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| 20:27.28 | gnarface | if you want the hardware time and the system time to match even if you're not on UTC then the solution is much simpler |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | how about what time does it say, what time do you want it to say, what is your normal timezone |
| 20:27.48 | SunnyPxssy | azm: # date set="17 OCT 2009 22:28:00" |
| 20:27.55 | SunnyPxssy | example |
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| 20:28.00 | abrotman | SunnyPxssy: which will work until he reboots |
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| 20:28.11 | azm | :/ |
| 20:28.16 | abrotman | how about what time does it say, what time do you want it to say, what is your normal timezone |
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| 20:28.26 | azm | gmt +1 |
| 20:28.30 | gnarface | i like ntpdate |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | azm: you have a serious reading problem .. there are three questions there |
| 20:28.48 | SunnyPxssy | syncronise to a timeserver |
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| 20:29.17 | SunnyPxssy | ntpdate is a good idea if u want to set up the real time |
| 20:29.25 | azm | I dont know whats hardware time |
| 20:29.28 | abrotman | no,ntpdate is a horrible idea |
| 20:29.34 | SunnyPxssy | why? |
| 20:29.38 | azm | I just want to see my time here in panel |
| 20:29.39 | azm | lol |
| 20:29.40 | abrotman | azm: i didn't ask you what the hardware time was |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | how about what time does it say, what time do you want it to say, what is your normal timezone |
| 20:29.49 | gnarface | hwclock will give you the hardware time |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | READ, ANSWER |
| 20:29.53 | SunnyPxssy | type: date |
| 20:29.56 | SunnyPxssy | :D |
| 20:29.57 | gnarface | you can compare hwclock to date |
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| 20:30.09 | azm | it says 16:30 |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | !tell SunnyPxssy about why not ntpdate |
| 20:30.17 | azm | I want 22:30 |
| 20:30.18 | SunnyPxssy | thats bad |
| 20:30.25 | dustybin | abrotman: could you stop repeating text please |
| 20:30.31 | azm | my normal time zone is gmt +1 |
| 20:30.32 | abrotman | dustybin: he cdould read the questions |
| 20:30.40 | abrotman | azm: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | azm: it should return one line, what does it say? |
| 20:31.00 | gnarface | you guys need to switch the topic in here to "sorry, arguments are down the hall, this is abuse" |
| 20:31.14 | azm | UTC=no |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | points at the door |
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| 20:31.23 | jpinx-eeepc | \/msg dpkg why not ntpdate |
| 20:31.45 | abrotman | azm: cat /etc/timezone |
| 20:31.51 | dustybin | converts jpinx-eeepc into jpink-stinkpad |
| 20:31.57 | azm | America/New_York |
| 20:32.04 | abrotman | that's not GMT+1 |
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| 20:32.12 | azm | because I chose this coz of english |
| 20:32.15 | azm | in system |
| 20:32.27 | abrotman | wait, so you chose the wrong timezone, and you're confused why the time is wrong? |
| 20:32.29 | azm | but that was just my question |
| 20:32.32 | SunnyPxssy | where do you live?? |
| 20:32.37 | azm | you made it big |
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| 20:32.47 | azm | I was askin where is congi. file |
| 20:32.49 | azm | ... |
| 20:32.53 | azm | thanks tho |
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| 20:33.00 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 20:33.01 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 20:33.15 | abrotman | see the part about the timezone .. the bot told you that 10 minutes ago |
| 20:33.25 | azm | ok |
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| 20:33.37 | krisfremen | what is dpkg based on? |
| 20:34.00 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:34.00 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 20:34.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !bot |
| 20:34.53 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 20:36.47 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 20:54.51 | little_owl | I have a problem, that the volume control settings are not stored and every time I restart the PC I have to set them again .... where could problem be? |
| 20:55.12 | abrotman | ZeZu: such as ? |
| 20:55.54 | hark | little_owl: install alsa-utils |
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| 20:56.35 | ZeZu | abrotman: ? as in i could remove the repos. from sources.list and then do an apt-cache dump piped through grep to see which packages i guess |
| 20:56.45 | ZeZu | was hoping there might be a proper way to do something like that already |
| 20:57.01 | abrotman | !tell ZeZu about which repo |
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| 20:58.11 | little_owl | Hark ... thank a lot, mate! |
| 20:58.27 | ZeZu | thanks |
| 20:58.58 | SunnyPxssy | alienbrain: try in htpd.conf |
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| 21:25.39 | phyrrus | hey, linux support at http://csupport.co.cc/forum |
| 21:26.00 | abrotman | phyrrus: please don't spam here |
| 21:26.05 | phyrrus | i wasn't |
| 21:26.09 | phyrrus | i informed the members |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | yes, you are .. This channel is for Debian support, not advertising |
| 21:26.56 | phyrrus | i wasn't/ |
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| 21:27.20 | phyrrus | i just said, if you need fast debian suopport, i can offer it |
| 21:27.26 | abrotman | please go away |
| 21:27.49 | pab | Having problems installing bandwidthd-pgsql on lenny 64bit. Are there known issues? |
| 21:27.58 | phyrrus | no, i like debian. i will stay |
| 21:28.06 | abrotman | pab: are there any listed in the BTS? what kind of issues? |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | phyrrus: then please stop spamming, and start helping people here. Thank you |
| 21:28.50 | phyrrus | sure. |
| 21:29.06 | phyrrus | i only spam on things like #windows |
| 21:29.07 | pab | Haven't checked BTS(?). dpkg: error processing bandwidthd-pgsql (--configure) |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | pab: use a pastebin to put all the output |
| 21:29.55 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 21:33.37 | pab | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/49379/ thx |
| 21:33.43 | abrotman | moment |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | pab: does /etc/dbconfig-common/bandwidthd-pgsql.conf exist ? |
| 21:35.23 | abrotman | pab: are you running unstable ? |
| 21:35.33 | phyrrus | i am |
| 21:35.34 | pab | No. Tried linking it to /etc/bandwidthd/bandwidthd.conf but it didn't work. |
| 21:35.42 | pab | abrotman, lenny |
| 21:36.00 | abrotman | pab: that package version doesn't exist in lenny |
| 21:36.18 | pab | abrotman, crap...let me check sources.list |
| 21:36.38 | abrotman | judd: versions bandwidthd-pgsql |
| 21:36.39 | judd | abrotman: bandwidthd-pgsql -- etch: 2.0.1+cvs20050208-10 lenny: 2.0.1+cvs20071208-3 sid: 2.0.1+cvs20090917-3 squeeze: 2.0.1+cvs20090917-3 |
| 21:37.12 | pab | abrotman, oop, my bad. I run testing (squeeze?) |
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| 21:37.47 | abrotman | pab: put a 'set -x' after the shebang in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bandwidthd-pgsql.postinst |
| 21:39.35 | pab | abrotman, you mean change set -e to set -x? |
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| 21:42.44 | pab | abrotman, okay! Aptitude says it's installed. I'll check it out. Thank you! |
| 21:42.54 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 21:43.25 | |ersoy| | asdasd |
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| 21:44.42 | abrotman | |ersoy|: do you need help? |
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| 21:45.39 | |ersoy| | abrotman, sorry |
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| 21:52.09 | Rezagrats | If i'm ripping a movie with acidrip and there's no fps being shown, does that mean it's not being ripped? |
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| 21:52.48 | zamba | anyone running debian version 5.0.3 and can provide a 'ls -l /bin/'? |
| 21:53.00 | zamba | i need to compare the directories.. have a possible break-in attempt here |
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| 21:54.09 | czytacz | czesc all |
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| 21:56.03 | abrotman | zamba: you want the full output? or just the directory? (maybe you want to look at debsums) |
| 21:56.16 | zamba | abrotman: ah, ok.. i'll check that |
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| 21:56.25 | zamba | that's a package, right? |
| 21:56.36 | abrotman | zamba: in general most are 755 .. some have a sticky bit set |
| 21:56.53 | zamba | abrotman: file size and date is the most important, i guess |
| 21:57.00 | abrotman | then you'd want something like debsums |
| 21:57.34 | zamba | why does debian say that debsums might compromize my system? |
| 21:58.19 | abrotman | it's saying the package is untrusted because you don't ahve the archive keys setup probably |
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| 21:58.50 | abrotman | zamba: aptitude install debian-keyring .. then aptitude install debsums |
| 21:58.56 | zamba | abrotman: ok |
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| 22:09.43 | Gnarfoz | anyone with experience w/ mdraid around? My MBR (or Grub, not sure which it is) seems to broken. All I get is "GRUB _" on screen, no grub menu, no grub command line (i.e. grub> _). I have access to the filesystem through a 'rescue' system provided by the server hoster and tried re-installing Grub through it, however, that apparently didn't work. Can I safely do 'grub-install /dev/sda' or will that fry my mdraid setup? (I tried /dev/md1 before) |
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| 22:10.10 | cesurasean | Can anyone help me with my nxserver problem? I'm getting this output when trying to connect from nxclient. - http://pastebin.com/ff8ba9d |
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| 22:14.36 | adb | is nxserver in debian archive ? |
| 22:14.58 | objorn | i have build-dep problems: http://pastebin.com/m76d0b64f |
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| 22:16.18 | cesurasean | objorn, why not install the deps then? |
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| 22:16.29 | czytacz | hi, could you please tell me, will Lenny work as a RADIUS server for Win XP users? I read somewhere that there are problems with it due to Debian's GNU license... |
| 22:16.30 | cesurasean | no, nxserver is not. |
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| 22:16.34 | cesurasean | I don't think. |
| 22:16.45 | cesurasean | it's got a deb package though |
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| 22:20.30 | dondelelcaro | czytacz: sure |
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| 22:22.24 | objorn | cesurasean: that's the first thing i thought, but apt-get build-dep emacs23 didn't work. |
| 22:23.03 | objorn | here's the error: http://pastebin.com/m76ebd5c7 |
| 22:23.38 | czytacz | dondelelcaro: have you tried it? cause i experianced problems generating certs for XP usere |
| 22:24.30 | objorn | here's my attempt to install emacs23-lucid: http://pastebin.com/m10bf3fd |
| 22:24.59 | dondelelcaro | czytacz: I don't admin networks with windows machines in them. If they're following the IETF standard, it'll work. [But it's not on topic here, regardless.] |
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| 22:25.58 | czytacz | dondelelcaro: while generating certificates under CentOS went without much trouble, somehow XP wouldnt install certs generated under Debian lenny with openssl... |
| 22:26.51 | dondelelcaro | czytacz: *shrug*; that's XP's problem, then |
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| 22:27.00 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing special about an ssl certificate |
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| 22:27.55 | czesmir | te czytacz slow down |
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| 22:30.40 | phobos | czytacz: If you expect to get help with that issue, I suggest hitting up ##windows but don't expect any thing other than a bunch of un huh's and head scratching |
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| 22:32.19 | czytacz | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll give lenny one more chance. Nevertheless, it's a bit wierd that same version of openssl wouldnt work in the same way under different distros. |
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| 22:34.15 | dondelelcaro | czytacz: except that they do work similarly... |
| 22:34.33 | czytacz | phobos: I've learned not to listen to suggestions regarding XP or other MS soft on IRC - too many "pros" are out there and everyone has a different solution :) |
| 22:34.54 | dondelelcaro | czytacz: if you can generate a certificate, and verify it, that's all there is to it |
| 22:35.19 | phobos | czytacz: I don't blame you one bit for that. |
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| 22:44.57 | Icted | hi, being a normal user, is there a way that unzip does not overwrite some specific files that were already there? I've tried changing file owner and group to root but unzip is still overwritting no matter what |
| 22:45.34 | dustybin | Icted: unzip to a different dir you silly sod |
| 22:45.51 | dustybin | you just cant get the users these days |
| 22:45.55 | Icted | but i need to merge them |
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| 22:46.08 | dustybin | well merge them with a different command |
| 22:46.11 | dustybin | you just cant get the users these days |
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| 22:46.42 | kupesoft | write a scrip that lists the files in the zip, and in your target location, compare, extract what you want |
| 22:46.51 | kupesoft | and everyone wins |
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| 22:47.10 | module000 | or extract to a different directory, and copy it recursively in interactive mode, so you get to pick overwrite or not |
| 22:47.28 | Icted | at first, i was thinking with a script that first does a backup of those files, but i wanted a faster method |
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| 22:48.32 | cesurasean | anyone here use nxserver??!! |
| 22:48.53 | HeXiLeD | are there any application to test the power supply performance or benchmark it ? |
| 22:49.16 | MJD | Icted: check out unzip -n |
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| 22:49.31 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.34 | MJD | that will stop unzip from overwritting any files. |
| 22:50.12 | Icted | thanks mjd, but i need to overwrite all source files except configuration files, so i cant use -n |
| 22:50.26 | Icted | ls |
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| 22:51.12 | MJD | what about listing the files. reading unzips manpage, it supports wildcard characters |
| 22:51.15 | MJD | (man unzip) |
| 22:51.50 | simonrvn | s his trousers |
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| 22:57.26 | objorn | here's my attempt to install emacs23-lucid: http://pastebin.com/m10bf3fd can someone please help? |
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| 22:58.01 | eros10509 | ? |
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| 23:06.13 | phobos | anyone know if the ia32-libs +gtk include the 1.2 libs? |
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| 23:06.55 | Emery | does KDE3 come with lenny or is it kde4 ? |
| 23:07.17 | |Mike| | lol. |
| 23:07.36 | Emery | i don't mean pre-installed, i mean the repo |
| 23:07.47 | phobos | kde3 |
| 23:08.01 | phobos | though you can get kde4 from the debian-desktop.org repo |
| 23:08.09 | Emery | i'm after 3 |
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| 23:10.41 | ckreator | whenever i boot my system, i get the error message that xserver is already running on display :0 do you want to try to run it again on the same display? It gives me two options Yes and No. None of them seem to work. When i shift to console 7, it shows me a hung screen. can i stop the xserver? |
| 23:11.16 | module000 | ckreator: have you tinkered with your startup scripts? and yes...you can stop it. |
| 23:13.17 | ckreator | module000: i installed the window manager Awesome. it ran fine. i logged out of it and then the login manager crashed. ever since then, i am facing the above problem. |
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| 23:13.32 | Emery | are there any kde3 repos i'm currently using sid and don't really want to format =/ |
| 23:13.46 | module000 | ckreator: dump the new WM then? it might be trying to run it's own login manager on top of what you have |
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| 23:15.01 | runa | hi i wanted to ask which version of firefox does iceweasel 3.0.14 corrispond to? |
| 23:15.10 | runa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.43 | ckreator | module000: ok, i'll try that. but can't i stop the xserver? i tried logging in through console 1 (command line). after logging in, i tried to delete /tmp/.X0-lock but it didn't work |
| 23:15.56 | streuner | runa: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 23:16.04 | streuner | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 23:16.04 | judd | streuner: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 experimental: 3.5.3-1 sid: 3.5.3-2 |
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| 23:18.29 | objorn | something is terribly wrong with my system, i can't download images from firefox, firefox doesn't work well with javascript, inkscape doesn't recognize when i click on a font to use, the highlighting doesn't highlight where i originally held down the mouse button, and apt isn't allow me to uninstall and reinstall apps |
| 23:18.32 | objorn | here's my attempt to install emacs23-lucid: http://pastebin.com/m10bf3fd can someone please help? |
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| 23:23.56 | lghtng | doh |
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| 23:29.12 | zamba | when i try connecting to a system with ssh, i get the following error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 23:29.19 | zamba | what could be causing this? |
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| 23:30.39 | krisfremen | zamba: are you sure you're in the allowuser list? |
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| 23:31.49 | zamba | krisfremen: allowuser list? |
| 23:31.51 | zamba | krisfremen: where's that? |
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| 23:32.07 | zamba | krisfremen: i was able to successfully connect to this box earlier today, but now all of a sudden it drops my connections |
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| 23:32.24 | zamba | krisfremen: doesn't matter which user i specify |
| 23:32.29 | zamba | krisfremen: same happens |
| 23:32.36 | zamba | krisfremen: and i never get the password prompt |
| 23:33.13 | krisfremen | zamba: pastebin the ssh -vvv ? |
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| 23:34.43 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/d3a383c71 |
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| 23:36.33 | zamba | could this be caused by faulty hardware? kernel crashes or similar? |
| 23:36.42 | zamba | clock desync? |
| 23:36.53 | krisfremen | zamba: debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/marius/.ssh/id_rsa. |
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| 23:37.19 | zamba | krisfremen: that's unrelated |
| 23:37.22 | krisfremen | that, and check the hosts.allow and hosts.deny and the blacklist you have there |
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| 23:38.45 | zamba | problem is that i have no physical access to that box :p |
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| 23:39.25 | Sitowlan | zamba, have the ssh server several connections? |
| 23:39.33 | zamba | Sitowlan: meaning? |
| 23:39.49 | zamba | Sitowlan: as i said, i haven't got access to the remote server atm, so it's only a guessing game |
| 23:39.54 | atrus | i'm trying to figure out how to change the email address listed on my BTS records for bugs.debian.org (i'm getting rid of an old domain, and want to make sure I still receive bug updates). suggestions on how to do this, or where/who to ask? |
| 23:40.01 | zamba | the server is effectively out of reach now |
| 23:40.08 | krisfremen | meaning somebody is flooding the server with ssh connections |
| 23:40.13 | zamba | krisfremen: oh |
| 23:40.32 | krisfremen | aka, bruteforcing your password |
| 23:40.49 | zamba | i should have fail2ban running there |
| 23:40.55 | zamba | so it should handle stuff like this |
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| 23:41.03 | zamba | "should" being the operative word |
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| 23:41.28 | zamba | but this should also mean that i should be able to connect to it eventually - once the brute forcing has stopped..? |
| 23:41.39 | zamba | other services are working just fine on it.. |
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| 23:44.52 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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