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| 00:00.11 | dokma | I just plugged a USB stick on my Debian machine. How to detect which device was created for it? |
| 00:00.35 | nsadmin | lsusb, dmesg |
| 00:00.53 | dokma | nsadmin: lsusb just tells me kernel sees it |
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| 00:01.09 | phobos | dokma: dmesg | tail |
| 00:02.06 | dokma | thanks guys! it was sdc |
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| 00:03.19 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: done, syntax is particular ;) |
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| 00:12.01 | EasyTUX | Now how should I fix my nameserver without it to blow out after a reboot (not in /etc/resolv.conf sigh)... eh. |
| 00:13.05 | nsadmin | EasyTUX: if you install resolvconf, this package will add syntax possibilities to /etc/network/interfaces such that you can specify name server and search path |
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| 00:14.03 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: ugh, not easier way ? |
| 00:14.54 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: in resolv.conf talk about networkmanager... |
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| 00:15.35 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: networkmanager : guilty for erasing my resolv.conf ! eh. |
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| 00:16.35 | EasyTUX | a daemon, ho ! |
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| 00:17.57 | The2morrowMan | How goes it, Debianites? |
| 00:20.01 | EasyTUX | Morrones... |
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| 00:24.53 | EasyTUX | Nevermind, I suppose networkmanager wouldn't erase it since I've put static ip instead of "inet dhcp"... |
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| 00:27.34 | johni | hello everybody, have a bit of trouble with ldapd. After configuring ldapd, getent passwd shows me the ldap user but su - username returns an error "unknown id" |
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| 00:29.50 | johni | anybody that could be me a little bit of help? |
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| 00:30.10 | dacs | johni: just ask |
| 00:30.16 | johni | searched for about 4 hours now but cannot find anything |
| 00:30.24 | johni | dacs, let me repost the question |
| 00:30.29 | dacs | there is alot of good guys here, and they will love to help you |
| 00:30.31 | johni | have a bit of trouble with ldapd. After configuring ldapd, getent passwd shows me the ldap user but su - username returns an error "unknown id" |
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| 00:36.54 | johni | anybody that worked with ldap before ? |
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| 00:39.14 | neoice | johni: a bit, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:39.21 | oh_noes | is there a GNU tool for Debian to permanently set things such as IP address, DNS servers, gteways etc? |
| 00:39.31 | oh_noes | I *KNOW* I can do it manually in files, except i want to set it from a web app |
| 00:39.39 | oh_noes | and prefer not to write to full files |
| 00:39.54 | oh_noes | so it would be easier to /foobar adddns 1.1.1.1 and let it do it all |
| 00:40.00 | johni | neoice, my goal is to authenticate users that connect to the linux box against and ldap server |
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| 00:40.04 | abrotman | you mean like webmin, but not a total wreck of an application ? |
| 00:40.20 | Fryth | I just wanted to say that my debian is running great and I have no questions about it whatsoever |
| 00:40.25 | johni | neoice, I have seen that there are 2 options : libnss-ldap and libnss-ldapd , correct ? |
| 00:40.26 | neoice | johni: set up NSS+pam? |
| 00:40.40 | johni | neoice, attempted with both ldapd and ldap |
| 00:41.10 | johni | neoice, ldapd worked half-way , I can see the user in passwd but cannot login with the user |
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| 00:42.01 | neoice | johni: can you see 'getent shadow' as root? |
| 00:42.55 | johni | neoice, yeap, I can see the ldap users with getent shadow |
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| 00:43.42 | neoice | johni: configure PAM? http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
| 00:43.44 | johni | neoice, but when I try to login with the user I get unknown id with su |
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| 00:45.33 | johni | neoice, the configs look fine, will go one more time over them |
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| 00:45.49 | abrotman | there's also a #ldap |
| 00:46.16 | johni | neoice, if I can see the the users with getent then I connect correctly to the ldap server. is this a good assumption ? |
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| 00:57.52 | EasyTUX | Where icewease plugins reside ? |
| 00:58.56 | krisfremen | EasyTUX: plugins usually in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 00:59.18 | ccbbaa | hello all, does anyone here use yasuck or similar to get some messages from yahoo ? |
| 00:59.51 | EasyTUX | krisfremen: Humm a single centralized place please ? (I've tried basics in vain...) |
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| 01:00.05 | sepult | waaaaaahhhhh |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | EasyTUX: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
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| 01:00.53 | ccbbaa | really, how does one get a copy of mails in a yahoo folder ? preferrably leaving them on the server ? |
| 01:00.55 | krisfremen | abrotman beat me to it |
| 01:00.59 | ccbbaa | yasuck is on topic here no ? |
| 01:01.06 | ccbbaa | or is it #perl |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | ccbbaa: or you have to be patient |
| 01:01.42 | EasyTUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | then go to bed |
| 01:02.16 | EasyTUX | yes. |
| 01:02.19 | ccbbaa | abrotman: i am patient but i am aware it is perl so i asked there too |
| 01:02.26 | sepult | now do i understand chroot or what ?? |
| 01:02.28 | EasyTUX | gn8 all. |
| 01:02.29 | sepult | lol |
| 01:02.55 | ccbbaa | whoa EasyTUX is in .fr it's 3 am there or so |
| 01:03.12 | krisfremen | something like it ccbbaa |
| 01:03.16 | ccbbaa | sepult: your interjections are interesting |
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| 01:03.43 | sepult | ccbbaa: lol, i got to be patient on that.... |
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| 01:04.21 | ccbbaa | sepult: *you* got to be patient on that ? |
| 01:04.48 | sepult | ccbbaa: err, i try to ... |
| 01:05.39 | sepult | ccbbaa: installing from dvd to usb, then using that as base for chroots, and then setting them up is a hassle i'm new to |
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| 01:06.15 | sepult | ccbbaa: chroots on the disk... |
| 01:06.49 | ccbbaa | i wish i could follow you there |
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| 01:08.03 | sepult | ccbbaa: now i have pure dvd usb lenny, a lenny chroot on disk with updates from net, a squeeze on disk with updates from net..., i maybe will get sid too and gentoo, i already have gentoo, but i may purge that one, as it seems to be buggy something went wrong there or so.... |
| 01:08.21 | sepult | maybe.. |
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| 01:09.25 | Supertanker | Hi; is it possible to have Debian rescan the devices in a system? I just moved a hard drive from one server to a new one, and it's not discovering the new server's network card right. |
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| 01:11.03 | sepult | Supertanker: hal, dbus, and udev are your friends on that one |
| 01:11.25 | sepult | Supertanker: first comes udev however.... |
| 01:11.42 | sepult | Supertanker: then dbus and hal i think in that order |
| 01:11.48 | lunaphyte | i'd check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 01:14.40 | Supertanker | I don't really know how to fix this, sepult |
| 01:15.01 | Supertanker | I know it recognizes the device--lspci outputs a "National Semiconductor" 8139 |
| 01:15.07 | Supertanker | Sorry |
| 01:15.10 | Supertanker | Realtek semiconductor |
| 01:15.21 | lunaphyte | uh, are you bothering to read the responses you're getting? |
| 01:16.07 | Supertanker | lunaphyte, I don't know what udev, debus, or hal are. |
| 01:16.08 | Supertanker | dbus* |
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| 01:19.31 | imajes | hey, anyone got any experience ssh-agent forwarding authentication from one user to another on the same machine? |
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| 01:25.31 | DiegoMax | what package should i install to get the kernel sources ? whats its name ? |
| 01:26.15 | r0nin | teh whole source? or just the headers to compile apps? |
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| 01:26.51 | Xenguy | Hi - when I boot, I am getting just the output 'GRUB' -- that's it. I think what I need to do is edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I'm pretty sure for this to work I also need to use 'chroot'. Here's my setup: /boot is on /dev/sda1 ; / is on /dev/sda2. Am I correct that I need to mount and chroot the '/' partition (/dev/sda2), then edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (which lives on a different partition) ? Or am I supposed to chroot the partition that |
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| 01:27.08 | DiegoMax | the headers i guess, to compile the virtualbox kernel driver |
| 01:27.11 | DiegoMax | not sure though... |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | DiegoMax: why? |
| 01:27.27 | DiegoMax | cause virtualbox is asking me for that |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | DiegoMax: isn't that module already packaged ? |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | oh .. you probably just need the headers for your current kernel |
| 01:28.02 | Cain | Hi, how to make aptitude stop installing the recommend packages ? |
| 01:28.13 | r0nin | linux-headers-(kernel version) |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | Cain: msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 01:29.15 | The2morrowMan | Cain, Uh, there's a reason they're recommended... |
| 01:29.47 | DiegoMax | nope, it seems i need the whole sources |
| 01:29.56 | Cain | The2morrowMan : I like to have the choice to install them or not, i dont like to be forced to install exim for example :) |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | Cain: msg dpkg apt recommends |
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| 01:30.09 | Cain | abrotman : thx ^^ |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | Cain: you will need an MTA .. so if it's not exim, it will be another |
| 01:30.25 | Cain | i know : (i like postfix) |
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| 01:31.14 | abrotman | then install postfix .. that should take care of installing/not installing exim |
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| 01:32.30 | Cain | abrotman : sure (it was juste an example) i'm ok if aptitude does show me the 'recommended packages' but i'd like to have my word to say for installing them or choosing an alternative :) |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | uhm ok |
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| 01:36.31 | luke3321 | Anyone else been having pulseaudio problems after an upgrade today? |
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| 01:40.15 | ccbbaa | ok, i am leaving ... |
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| 01:55.57 | Localhoax | is it possible to find the password for a user account as root, without changing the password? |
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| 01:57.54 | Cain | Localhoax : John the ripper maybe ==> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/john |
| 01:58.31 | r0nin | It would be easier to just change it for them |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | he did say without changing it |
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| 01:59.10 | Localhoax | it wouldnt reboot or anything if i changed it, correct? |
| 01:59.12 | r0nin | and I say'd it would be easier to just change it |
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| 01:59.56 | r0nin | no the system wont reboot when changing a password |
| 02:00.00 | Localhoax | k |
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| 02:15.31 | Localhoax | thanks guys |
| 02:15.32 | Localhoax | i got it |
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| 02:26.18 | _Maru_ | how do you set a env var for a user? |
| 02:27.33 | simonrvn | man bash |
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| 02:35.15 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 02:35.15 | dpkg | bonjour |
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| 02:35.45 | rumpsy | How i can install nvidia driver |
| 02:36.02 | rumpsy | so that i can have xgl effects |
| 02:36.33 | rumpsy | Compiz is not working in system.. |
| 02:36.48 | rumpsy | dpkg compiz |
| 02:36.48 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:37.56 | Xenguy | _Maru_: source file |
| 02:38.26 | Xenguy | _Maru_: er, use 'source' command |
| 02:39.44 | _Maru_ | source .profile didn't seem to work |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | !tell rumpsy about nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:41.48 | abrotman | rumpsy: no need to msg me |
| 02:42.51 | rumpsy | abrotman: is there is possible to enable compiz? |
| 02:43.13 | rumpsy | recently i instaled compiz, but its fails to startr |
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| 02:43.28 | abrotman | i don't use nvidia .. i'm not sure if you can use compiz with the binary nvidia drivers |
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| 02:44.12 | rumpsy | oh.. i have to check that in nvidia forum |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | i'd think google could tell you |
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| 02:51.26 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 03:07.21 | rumpsy | abrotman: i got a problem.... i made some thing to xorg file... my x fails to start... how can to restore to defalut or how can i create new |
| 03:07.36 | rumpsy | Now i'm in windows |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | a new xorg.conf ? X - configure |
| 03:07.40 | abrotman | erm |
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| 03:08.07 | rumpsy | oh... i'll switch check that... :( |
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| 03:26.10 | Xenguy | !supergrub |
| 03:26.14 | pflanze | Hello. I've got a problem with squashfs 4, in Kernel 2.6.30.7, squashfs-tools 1:4.0-3 from Debian unstable recompiled on stable. |
| 03:26.18 | pflanze | It works for small filesystems, but one of 17MB (compressed) containing 6213 items shows many items as "no such file or directory", even if the file paths actually are in the dir listing. |
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| 03:26.43 | pflanze | Does anyone have any experience with this? |
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| 03:56.28 | CodeNinja | is it ok to let user nobody have /bin/sh access? not sure if a program modified that or what |
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| 03:58.12 | markybob | CodeNinja, nobody should be obody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 03:58.23 | CodeNinja | ok |
| 03:58.27 | CodeNinja | just double checking :) |
| 03:58.43 | marmiggr | i need some help with xen...someone here has a little bit of experience with this tool? :S |
| 03:59.00 | markybob | !anyone |
| 03:59.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:59.24 | marmiggr | xD sorry |
| 03:59.30 | sepult | wooohooooo, now squeeze kdm up too, almost |
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| 04:00.08 | r0nin | SCOLD HIM! |
| 04:00.46 | marmiggr | after the reboot i cannot see eth0 ... i'm following this guide: http://sysadmin.lacoctelera.net/post/2009/10/01/xen-3-4-1-virtualizacion-debian-5-lenny-3#c4582770 |
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| 04:01.47 | smacnay | Is there a standard way to backup files on a networked WinXP comp to a usb drive connected to a Linux box? I am using flexbackup but am not sure of how to connect to the Win box. Samba seems a little temperamental. |
| 04:02.21 | r0nin | cp? |
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| 04:03.36 | markybob | smacnay, use cwrsync from windows |
| 04:03.43 | r0nin | how about share it on the xp box then mount on linux, then copy it |
| 04:04.37 | smacnay | markybob, cwrsync... cygwin app? |
| 04:04.39 | markybob | smacnay, ignore him. cwrsync is what you want |
| 04:05.10 | markybob | smacnay, http://www.itefix.no/i2/cwrsync |
| 04:05.44 | r0nin | couldn't you just do it with apps already installed? |
| 04:06.14 | smacnay | markybob, thanks - that looks like what I want. |
| 04:06.27 | markybob | not properly. cwrsync will do a much better job than just copying over samba |
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| 04:08.09 | smacnay | markybob, I assume that I want the "server" version. |
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| 04:09.25 | markybob | smacnay, no. you want just the client to backup windows to linux. you'd install the server version if you wanna copy files from linux to windows |
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| 04:10.15 | monkeyman | hi everybody, i'm having problems running vm in virtualbox and i get this error when trying to run it: "Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)" Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root. |
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| 04:10.55 | markybob | monkeyman, have you done sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ? |
| 04:11.46 | monkeyman | markybob: yes, i'm using unstable version of debian |
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| 04:12.14 | markybob | monkeyman, that's irrelevant. did that setup command give an error? if so, what? |
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| 04:14.04 | CodeNinja | is it good to clean out the packages marked as rc ( residual configuration ), and if so, how? |
| 04:14.07 | monkeyman | markybob: it said command not found |
| 04:15.19 | smacnay | markybob, so backups are initiated from the Win machine and are not done from a lin box? |
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| 04:15.45 | markybob | smacnay, yes. via windows' task manager |
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| 04:21.55 | monkeyman | markybob: i ran this command: sudo modprobe vboxdrv and got this error: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. |
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| 04:25.03 | markybob | monkeyman, good for you. that's not the command i told you to run |
| 04:27.17 | monkeyman | markybob, i know that but before i told you about this command, i posted the result for the previous command and i got this error: sudo: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: command not found |
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| 04:31.13 | markybob | monkeyman, try sudo m-a a-i virtualbox |
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| 04:32.44 | monkeyman | markybob: got this error: sudo: m-a: command not found |
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| 04:33.17 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.23 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
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| 04:33.31 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.33 | Vasistha | !ops Rikcardo |
| 04:33.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vasistha complains about: Rikcardo |
| 04:33.35 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.37 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.39 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.43 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.46 | markybob | monkeyman, sudo aptitude install module-assistant && sudo m-a a-i virtualbox |
| 04:33.47 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:33.55 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:34.07 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:34.09 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
| 04:34.11 | Rikcardo | PIECE OF SHIIIIIIITTTTTT |
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| 04:34.49 | monkeyman | markybob: i'll give it a shot |
| 04:37.37 | r0nin | do or do not, there is no try |
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| 04:38.07 | monkeyman | markybob: got this error: "Installation of the virtualbox source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." |
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| 04:43.04 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 04:43.14 | simonrvn | ty werdan7 |
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| 04:54.49 | monkeyman | markybob: got it working now, thanks for your help |
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| 05:10.51 | reklipz1 | I'm interested in using b43 with my 14e4:4315 broadcom chip. The compat-wireless claims to require >2.6.26 kernel. I'm interested in compiling the latest kernel from source, but have never done this before. |
| 05:11.31 | reklipz1 | Would it be wise to use a vanilla kernel, or are there patches that I can apply that are applied to all of the debian kernels? Would it be better to just use squeeze or sid? |
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| 05:14.30 | yacyac | hello |
| 05:14.32 | yacyac | anyone around ? |
| 05:14.53 | krisfremen | yacyac: don't ask to ask, just ask your question |
| 05:15.13 | beardy | Maybe one or two out of 800+ will answer. |
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| 05:16.48 | r0nin | 800+? |
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| 05:17.28 | yacyac | well.. i am running xfce and i cant right click for menus on my desktop |
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| 05:18.19 | beardy | r0nin: #debian: Total of 846 nicks |
| 05:18.21 | krisfremen | #debian: Total of 845 nicks |
| 05:18.30 | beardy | :) |
| 05:18.30 | krisfremen | heh :D |
| 05:18.44 | krisfremen | i'm not counting myself :P |
| 05:19.20 | r0nin | heh I didn't notice that |
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| 05:19.56 | yacyac | how do i fix that problem |
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| 05:20.06 | Vasistha | my new installation is failing to boot, and I need to tweak stuff in busybox ... but there is a LONG wait before I am given that busybox command prompt! When the booting process is stuck (can't find encrypted roo) is there any way I can request a busybox prompt, with a magic key combination... rather than waiting 3 minutes? |
| 05:20.47 | beardy | yacyac: Is that the way xfce works, afaik it uses a menu in the left corner style.. of menu. |
| 05:21.10 | yacyac | no |
| 05:22.03 | yacyac | generally i can right click on my desktop and it gives me menus.. and also i can see folders and stuff on my desktop like home , filesystem. but not there are no folders also and i cant right click for menu also |
| 05:22.21 | beardy | yacyac: When was the last time you could? |
| 05:22.31 | yacyac | yesterday |
| 05:22.47 | beardy | yacyac: What have you done since then, then? |
| 05:23.05 | beardy | yacyac: Is your window manager running at all? |
| 05:23.28 | yacyac | yes |
| 05:23.32 | yacyac | its running all well |
| 05:24.03 | yacyac | beardy, got it fixed |
| 05:24.04 | yacyac | hehehe |
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| 05:24.45 | beardy | yacyac: What was the problem then? |
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| 05:25.10 | yacyac | there was a setting .. which automatically got unchecked in the settings of the desktop |
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| 05:28.54 | Vasistha | hmm, how do I find out the uuid of a partition? |
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| 05:29.28 | NfNitLoop | in /etc/network/interfaces, does an 'up' clause not work with an interface configured by dhcp? |
| 05:29.45 | NfNitLoop | (I want to add my ipv6 address manually while ipv4 gets configured via DHCP.) |
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| 05:32.46 | Vasistha | google says, "/sbin/blkid" or "/sbin/vol_id" |
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| 05:37.00 | racecar56 | module-assistant won't compile nvidia's driver thing properly, should i use the binary installer? :O |
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| 05:39.25 | somiaj | racecar56: that could be dependent on what kernel you are using and what nvidia-kernel version you are using as well. |
| 05:39.42 | somiaj | racecar56: are you running debian lenny (stable)? |
| 05:39.47 | racecar56 | somiaj: i'm using 2.6.30 from the backports on lenny |
| 05:39.50 | racecar56 | somiaj: yes |
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| 05:40.43 | racecar56 | somiaj: it's 173.14.09-5 |
| 05:41.34 | somiaj | racecar56: I know sometimes it is hard to compile older nvidia modules against newer kernel version (and visa versa) |
| 05:41.43 | somiaj | racecar56: I would either a) use the kernel in lenny (not the backport) |
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| 05:42.00 | somiaj | racecar56: or b) grab a backport of a newer nvidia module, something like 18x.xxx.xxx |
| 05:42.53 | somiaj | you'll just have to make sure you grab the nvidia-glx backport that is consistant with the module version you get |
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| 06:06.14 | kd0feo | ?join #2,000 |
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| 06:06.26 | kd0feo | dangit |
| 06:07.06 | kd0feo | can anyone else get in that channel, not working for me |
| 06:07.15 | Kvant | nope :P |
| 06:07.23 | r0nin | points and laughs |
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| 06:07.45 | kd0feo | i'm in a contest to win a shell |
| 06:07.51 | kd0feo | the person who can get the most people wins |
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| 06:08.17 | r0nin | lol |
| 06:08.37 | r0nin | you con't usre "," in a channel name |
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| 06:10.28 | krisfremen | right... |
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| 06:10.33 | krisfremen | what kinda contest is that?! |
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| 06:11.36 | r0nin | a bad one |
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| 06:37.46 | ^shark_ | how to tell with the mt command that the tape is full? |
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| 06:42.29 | Sevalecan | so. I'm using knetworkmanager in kde 4.3 with debian squeeze, and it doesn't seem to be working properly. I attempt to connect to my wireless network with my key, and it just hangs on connecting forever, however when I create a wpa_supplicant configuration with wpa_passphrase, ifconfig wlan0 up, run wpa_supplicant on it with that configuration, then dhclient 3, it connects and gets an IP with absolutely no problem. |
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| 06:42.39 | Sevalecan | I havent been able to find any logs or anything for it |
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| 06:46.03 | crazy2k_ | I deleted my xorg.conf and I thought it would be regenerated, but it wasnt't. However, when I restarted X, everything worked perfectly. xorg.conf isn't needed anymore? |
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| 07:01.11 | Sevalecan | well |
| 07:01.13 | Sevalecan | I fixed my problem |
| 07:01.15 | Sevalecan | I just wish I knew how. |
| 07:01.28 | Sevalecan | I tried several things changing configuration, then I undid all of them |
| 07:01.32 | Sevalecan | and its working now. |
| 07:01.40 | Sevalecan | :P |
| 07:03.02 | anao | jwm windowmanager autostart problem solved add jwmrc <StartupCommand>program</StartupCommand> |
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| 07:22.24 | vlt | Hello. In apache2/access.log I can find several hits "GET /" from "::1". Any idea how to find out what causes this? |
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| 07:48.00 | Araneidae | How can I verify an existing dpkg install? Want to check that all of the files managed by a particular .deb are as they should be. |
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| 07:50.36 | ripero | hi, is there any way to know the list of installed files of a package from a HD backup? |
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| 07:52.29 | Araneidae | I think `dpkg -L $PKG_NAME` should work |
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| 07:53.08 | Araneidae | Oh, you mean an image of another copy of the OS. hmm |
| 07:53.50 | ripero | yes, I mean I have a backup of my crashed system, and need to get the list of installed files of a certain package |
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| 07:54.06 | Araneidae | I think you can use --admindir=$PATH_TO_DIR |
| 07:54.21 | Araneidae | and point that at /your/backup/var/lib/dpkg |
| 07:54.28 | ripero | ok, let me try it |
| 07:54.48 | Araneidae | At least, that's what dpkg(1) seems to be telling me |
| 07:55.05 | Araneidae | But it doesn't tell me how to verify an install :( |
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| 07:56.05 | macrobat | you can open up the deb and maybe see what it should install |
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| 07:57.11 | macrobat | if its a pkg in the repos, there is apt-file |
| 07:57.54 | Araneidae | apt-file? `man` has never heard of it! |
| 07:57.55 | ripero | Araneidae: it worked, thx! |
| 07:58.00 | Araneidae | ripero, great! |
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| 07:58.31 | Araneidae | Ah. But apt-cache *has* |
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| 07:59.33 | macrobat | its a pkg you can instaal |
| 07:59.48 | Araneidae | macrobat, that's not quite what I'm after. Think I'm going to have to solve my problem manually. It's a nuisance, because I'm actually preparing instructions for somebody else... |
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| 08:00.23 | Araneidae | I (they, actually) have an installation where I suspect that one or more files from a .dpg have been overwritten. I need to verify this |
| 08:00.36 | macrobat | doesnt the ppl that made the deb know wht it shold install? |
| 08:00.46 | Araneidae | Oh, the .deb installed just fine. |
| 08:01.05 | macrobat | ? |
| 08:01.06 | Araneidae | It's just that they've (probably) installed something else (not a deb) that's overwritten something it shouldn't have! |
| 08:01.21 | macrobat | reinstall? |
| 08:01.48 | ripero | does Debian provide some "easy" way to get old package versions from its git repository? |
| 08:01.48 | Araneidae | Yes, indeed. But I want to verify the problem before losing the information that reinstall will overwrite |
| 08:02.27 | macrobat | dpkg -i --simulate blabla.deb |
| 08:02.27 | dpkg | package --simulate blabla.deb is already installed |
| 08:02.42 | Araneidae | Oh, now that's a good idea! |
| 08:02.43 | Araneidae | Thanks |
| 08:02.59 | Araneidae | goes to mangle some files to try that one out |
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| 08:10.53 | Signe | http://lockkers.weebly.com/ |
| 08:11.59 | themill | Signe: please don't spam here. |
| 08:12.43 | simonrvn | !kill Signe |
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| 08:18.40 | pav5088 | Does a "Recommends" package dependency pull in the recommended packages by default with apt-get and aptitude? |
| 08:18.48 | themill | yes |
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| 08:19.33 | simonrvn | you have to turn that off explicitly |
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| 08:24.01 | kmq | debian noob here: Is it possible that an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' would remove the '/home/admin' directory, but not the admin user itself ? |
| 08:24.20 | simonrvn | what? |
| 08:24.36 | simonrvn | it doesn't touch /home at all. |
| 08:25.13 | kmq | that's what I suspected. I was just wondering, since it is missing since I did the safe-upgrade |
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| 08:26.13 | kmq | and it asked me to change some user information, which I declined to update them later |
| 08:29.17 | simonrvn | check /var/backups |
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| 08:33.22 | kmq | there's a copy of passwd, and shadow but these are the same as ones in use |
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| 08:35.59 | inigo | kmq, you can review aptitude log (and dpkg log) to know which packages did that question |
| 08:36.33 | inigo | later, you can browse the packages content in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 08:36.33 | inigo | 'mc' will allow you to browse into packages |
| 08:36.56 | inigo | you have to see the debian control dir into packages, |
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| 08:37.05 | inigo | there will be the preinst, postinst, etc scripts |
| 08:37.52 | inigo | reading the scripts, you can see what the safe-upgrade did |
| 08:37.59 | kmq | ok, I will try |
| 08:38.01 | kmq | thx |
| 08:38.04 | inigo | np |
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| 08:39.48 | Shtl | Hello all, i am on lenny, now i want to print some .doc files with the printer connected to XP machine on LAN, how i can do this?? |
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| 08:41.32 | inigo | if it is shared, you can add it using cups+samba, but i don't know how, i only use linux, and at work i use jetdirect |
| 08:42.41 | inigo | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/CUPS-printing.html |
| 08:43.43 | inigo | lpadmin -p winprinter -v smb://WINDOWSNETBIOSNAME/printersharename -P /path/to/PPD |
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| 08:48.43 | yacyac | i have a dell inspiron 1525 laptop and i have a broadcom wifi lan. i tried and install ndiswrapper and the drivers.. still my wifi card is not getting detected. can anyone help me out on this ? |
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| 08:52.11 | fredl | yacyac - do you see your card in the lspci output? |
| 08:52.33 | yacyac | yes |
| 08:52.35 | yacyac | 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 08:53.21 | fredl | and you've verified for sure that Linux does not at the moment support it? |
| 08:54.10 | yacyac | i dont know about that |
| 08:54.36 | yacyac | few months ago i had somehow configured it |
| 08:54.41 | fredl | well that's what you should first check before going to try ndiswrappers right? |
| 08:54.43 | yacyac | and was able to use it with ndiswarpper |
| 08:54.43 | remote | i have the same card let me check |
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| 08:55.05 | remote | BCM4312 |
| 08:55.07 | yacyac | thanks remote |
| 08:55.11 | remote | it works with the wl module on ubuntu |
| 08:55.25 | themill | !wl |
| 08:55.25 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315). Available from http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php ; removed from Debian to resolve bug #551364. For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>. |
| 08:55.26 | remote | so it must work on debian |
| 08:55.44 | fredl | which does not mean neccesarily that it works on Debian stable.... :) |
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| 08:55.55 | yacyac | hmmmmm |
| 08:55.56 | fredl | you're using Lenny yacyac? |
| 08:56.02 | yacyac | so how do i get it to run on mine |
| 08:56.11 | remote | what module are you using? |
| 08:56.11 | yacyac | fredl, yes.. i am on lenny |
| 08:56.16 | fredl | well do lsmod|grep wl |
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| 08:56.50 | yacyac | shows nothing |
| 08:57.06 | fredl | fair enough, that's expected because of the dpkg output you just read. |
| 08:57.19 | yacyac | hmmmm |
| 08:57.26 | yacyac | so what do i do now |
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| 08:57.31 | fredl | you can give 'modprobe wl' a try and then try the 'lsmod|grep wl' again |
| 08:57.46 | fredl | but I think the wl module might not be installed on your system. |
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| 08:57.54 | yacyac | yes |
| 08:57.59 | remote | yacyac: what module are you using? |
| 08:58.05 | yacyac | fredl, it says module wl not found |
| 08:58.45 | fredl | as expected... so now you should try finding 'bug #551364' and see if you understand what it says in there and why it's taken out of Debian |
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| 08:59.07 | fredl | to do so you go to bugs.debian.org |
| 08:59.13 | remote | yacyac: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 08:59.21 | fredl | and type 551364 in the bug number |
| 08:59.25 | remote | it lists BCM4312 there |
| 08:59.57 | fredl | yacyac - which should take you to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551364 |
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| 09:00.40 | fredl | if I read that right, the wl driver is not removed from Lenny but from testing. |
| 09:00.49 | yacyac | i am on that page |
| 09:00.56 | yacyac | but is there a way to get wifi working ? |
| 09:01.07 | fredl | ofcourse there is yacyac. |
| 09:01.08 | yacyac | or will i never be able to use wifi |
| 09:01.15 | yacyac | fredl, what is it |
| 09:01.33 | remote | yacyac: read http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 09:01.43 | remote | you have step by step instructions |
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| 09:02.00 | fredl | yup. |
| 09:02.22 | yacyac | yeah |
| 09:02.26 | yacyac | i am gonna follow it |
| 09:02.41 | fredl | just trying to teach you as well how to figure out these things for yourself as well :) |
| 09:02.59 | remote | *cough* |
| 09:03.08 | EasyTUX | How would I go to GLIBC.2_4 ? (for flashplayer10 to work...) |
| 09:03.09 | fredl | yes remote? |
| 09:03.36 | nsadmin | EasyTUX: upgrade your whole dist |
| 09:03.37 | remote | EasyTUX: painfully |
| 09:04.19 | EasyTUX | humm, that's what I was scared about... nsadmin remote thanks... |
| 09:04.25 | nsadmin | UNLESS you want to compile it to install in your own home dir so it is NOT used by any debian executables |
| 09:04.46 | nsadmin | then you can do anything you want |
| 09:04.49 | nsadmin | but then... |
| 09:04.52 | yacyac | thanks man.. i really appritiate it |
| 09:04.56 | nsadmin | you can do anything you want anyway :P |
| 09:05.02 | fredl | yw yacyac |
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| 09:06.09 | yacyac | fredl, remote it shows as eth1... is that allright |
| 09:06.14 | nsadmin | I'm just saying that most of the debian binary executables depend on libc and expect it to be of a particular version, and if it's not that, then strange things start to happen |
| 09:06.28 | [fFf] | hi to all |
| 09:06.33 | fredl | yacyac - ofcourse. You probably also have an eth0 that's not configured. |
| 09:06.33 | remote | yacyac: yes eth0 is your ethernet adapter |
| 09:06.39 | EasyTUX | Maybe someone got to know a libflash running on GLIBC.2_3 ? eh! |
| 09:06.44 | yacyac | yes |
| 09:06.45 | yacyac | its there |
| 09:06.53 | yacyac | i am facing some problem with that too |
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| 09:07.02 | fredl | EasyTUX, your best bet is to just not use glibc. |
| 09:07.18 | nsadmin | I learned that the hard way under slackware... I followed the "move to this new format called ELF" instructions |
| 09:07.24 | fredl | EasyTUX, nor flashplayer 10. |
| 09:07.32 | fredl | :P |
| 09:07.34 | yacyac | everytime i start my system.. i have to go to console and ifconfig eth0 down and then ifconfig eth0 up and then reboot the machin and then the internet on my laptop would start |
| 09:07.48 | nsadmin | and then I'm like, "wait a minute, now I can't run the precompiled stuff... I'm moving back" |
| 09:08.12 | fredl | yacyac - that doesn't sound right. Why does the interface not work after you do ifup eth0? |
| 09:08.37 | nsadmin | moving back from ELF (libc5) to a.out (libc4) was very very challenging... |
| 09:08.41 | yacyac | everytime i have to take it down and then get it up and then restart to get it working |
| 09:08.59 | nsadmin | what's a D: line? |
| 09:09.08 | fredl | yacyac - that's not what I asked, why does it not work after you do ifup eth0 ? |
| 09:09.44 | yacyac | after i get it up it will start pinging but internet wont work |
| 09:09.48 | yacyac | i have no clue |
| 09:10.09 | yacyac | is there a hotpulg thing or something ? |
| 09:10.11 | fredl | yacyac - if ping works it means your interface works, there should be no need to reboot. |
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| 09:10.22 | yacyac | i know |
| 09:10.23 | fredl | yacyac - you have probably configured it wrongly. |
| 09:10.41 | yacyac | maybe.. is there a easy way to figure that out |
| 09:10.44 | nsadmin | smells DNS |
| 09:10.46 | fredl | yacyac - does eth0 get an IP address straight from your provider or do you have a local LAN? |
| 09:10.59 | yacyac | local lan |
| 09:11.11 | nsadmin | what's the edge device? |
| 09:11.19 | fredl | yacyac - try doing an ifup eth0 right now then ok? |
| 09:11.34 | fredl | yacyac - and I'll try and help you figure out which setting is wrong. |
| 09:11.42 | nsadmin | is this a different machine you're talking to us on |
| 09:11.51 | fredl | I hope so :P |
| 09:11.52 | nsadmin | or is it the same machine |
| 09:11.59 | yacyac | alright |
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| 09:12.03 | [fFf] | I've a pretty strange question: I'm starting to build a distribution based on Debian testing with remastersys. The distro is developed for archeologist and similar, so it will include some GIS and CAD software and other. My problem is not on the distribution but on the tool that we will use to manage it, for example: wich repository to distribute the ISOs? Which is the best bug tracker for a project like this? |
| 09:12.08 | fredl | ok, is eth0 up now? |
| 09:12.19 | [fFf] | hope is not too long... |
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| 09:12.30 | nsadmin | yacyac: are you talking to us on a machine that's not the one with the problem? |
| 09:12.34 | yacyac | i am installing network-manager-kde |
| 09:12.42 | kmq | /quit |
| 09:12.46 | fredl | uhm.. |
| 09:13.05 | nsadmin | how are you doing that if your net isn't up |
| 09:13.11 | fredl | network-manager *sigh* |
| 09:13.20 | fredl | well anyway... |
| 09:13.23 | yacyac | i am talking on the same machin |
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| 09:13.38 | nsadmin | do you have another you could talk to us on? |
| 09:13.39 | fredl | yacyac - did you ifup eth0 and does eth0 now have an IP address? |
| 09:14.03 | yacyac | it says |
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| 09:14.13 | yacyac | ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 09:14.13 | nsadmin | fredl: he would have quit irc and come back if that were the case |
| 09:14.33 | fredl | yacyac - you realize that ifup and network-manager should not be used together? |
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| 09:14.48 | nsadmin | let's try getting his irc on another machine |
| 09:14.49 | fredl | (I think) |
| 09:14.54 | yacyac | i dont know |
| 09:14.57 | nsadmin | you're probably right |
| 09:15.14 | yacyac | so what should i do now |
| 09:15.15 | fredl | yacyac - ifup uses your interface information in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:15.21 | yacyac | ok |
| 09:15.25 | nsadmin | yacyac: can you join here from another machine? |
| 09:15.39 | fredl | yacyac - the interface mentioned in there should be brought up at boot time if you configure them to be 'auto' |
| 09:15.42 | yacyac | fredl, do you think i have configured it wrongly in /etc/network/interface |
| 09:16.02 | yacyac | i can do that |
| 09:16.22 | fredl | sure you can, it's probably best for eth0 anyway. |
| 09:16.36 | fredl | yacyac - you can still use network-manager for the wifi interface. |
| 09:16.44 | yacyac | ok |
| 09:16.54 | yacyac | alright.. i have to take off the wire now.. |
| 09:17.00 | yacyac | and attach it on to the desktop |
| 09:17.06 | yacyac | let me come online from there |
| 09:17.07 | yacyac | brb |
| 09:17.11 | nsadmin | oh wait |
| 09:17.16 | nsadmin | just a sec |
| 09:17.21 | yacyac | ok |
| 09:17.32 | fredl | yacyac - check if there's something like 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:17.32 | nsadmin | can you have them both connected at the same time? |
| 09:17.43 | yacyac | ok |
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| 09:18.00 | nsadmin | if not... then we have to give up on having you talk to us on a different machine |
| 09:18.32 | yacyac | fredl, http://pastebin.com/m59552861 |
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| 09:19.13 | fredl | ah you configured it to be static... did you do that yourself? |
| 09:19.21 | yacyac | fredl, yes |
| 09:19.39 | nsadmin | bcast addr is wrong |
| 09:19.51 | fredl | you should add 'auto eth0' |
| 09:19.53 | nsadmin | should be: |
| 09:20.09 | nsadmin | 192.168.1.255 |
| 09:20.24 | fredl | yeah that too. |
| 09:20.50 | fredl | ofcourse... I think you're probably better off using DHCP but I don't know if you have set that up properly |
| 09:20.51 | yacyac | so replace auto eth0 with allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 09:20.53 | yacyac | ? |
| 09:21.01 | yacyac | i cant setup dhcp |
| 09:21.10 | yacyac | my router is not configured to setup dhcp |
| 09:21.25 | nsadmin | maybe ignore that for now... let |
| 09:21.26 | fredl | yacyac - no, add a line after 'allow-hotplug-eth0' that says 'auto eth0' |
| 09:21.42 | nsadmin | s get you booting with net first |
| 09:21.58 | fredl | or alternatively just change 'auto lo' to 'auto lo eth0' (I think) |
| 09:22.13 | EasyTUX | fredl: Humm, then you meant I should use nothing but my tongue dude because almost ALL (but kernel?) is using GLIBC aka libc6.so... :PP |
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| 09:22.36 | fredl | EasyTUX, http://www.tuxradar.com/content/debian-ditches-glibc-eglibc |
| 09:22.49 | EasyTUX | fredl: Thanks. |
| 09:22.50 | nsadmin | right, the kernel itself does not depend on any libs |
| 09:23.15 | fredl | EasyTUX, to be frank I don't know the current status of the glibc hassle. |
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| 09:23.25 | yacyac | i have added another line |
| 09:23.28 | yacyac | auto eth0 |
| 09:23.46 | fredl | yacyac - you also changed the broadcast address? |
| 09:23.58 | yacyac | fredl, yes sir |
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| 09:24.12 | fredl | ok, now just ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 |
| 09:24.35 | nsadmin | can't do that remotely btw... h |
| 09:24.40 | nsadmin | has to be at the machine |
| 09:24.42 | fredl | :P |
| 09:24.50 | fredl | yeah that'd be wise. |
| 09:25.11 | nsadmin | there's a way but not going there now. |
| 09:25.22 | fredl | no let's not :) |
| 09:25.34 | fredl | still here yacyac? |
| 09:25.58 | nsadmin | uhoh :) |
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| 09:26.23 | fredl | I hope his laptop is nearby :) |
| 09:26.45 | nsadmin | tries pinging... no response... unoh :) |
| 09:26.55 | fredl | d'oh |
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| 09:32.37 | yacko | hey fredl |
| 09:32.47 | yacko | its me yacyac from another machin |
| 09:32.53 | yacko | still fighthing with wifi |
| 09:32.58 | nsadmin | oh you did it |
| 09:33.07 | fredl | yeah but does your eth0 work now? |
| 09:33.09 | yacko | i rebooted my laptop |
| 09:33.21 | yacko | i have not checked that |
| 09:33.27 | nsadmin | it might work' |
| 09:33.37 | yacko | i had to remove the lan wire to attach on this machin |
| 09:33.46 | yacko | yeah i am sure it will work this time |
| 09:33.53 | nsadmin | you don't have a hub? |
| 09:33.55 | yacko | how do i configure my wifi |
| 09:34.10 | yacko | i just have one lan wire and rest everything else is on wifi |
| 09:34.16 | fredl | well did you follow the steps to install the driver already? |
| 09:34.43 | yacko | sorry.. i didnt follow that |
| 09:34.59 | yacko | let me open up that page again and follow the steps |
| 09:35.01 | fredl | I mean... you can't follow those steps without at least one working network connection :) |
| 09:35.01 | yacko | sorry |
| 09:35.17 | fredl | and your laptop now no longer has network right? |
| 09:35.51 | yacko | hehehe.. no network at the moment |
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| 09:36.30 | fredl | so plug the cable back in your laptop, that'll show you right away if your eth0 works without a problem now |
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| 09:37.06 | yacko | alright |
| 09:37.07 | yacko | will do now |
| 09:37.19 | fredl | smiles |
| 09:37.53 | yacko | by the way that network-manager-kde.. wont scan for networks |
| 09:38.22 | fredl | I don't know about that, don't use KDE myself. |
| 09:39.15 | fredl | first you need to get the driver installed for your wifi card. After that you can decide whatever you want to use to configure it |
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| 09:39.40 | yacko | i also dont use kde |
| 09:39.43 | yacko | i use xfce |
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| 09:39.59 | n3lab | eee |
| 09:40.00 | p0g0__ | yacko: lspci -vv should tell you which wireless card you have |
| 09:40.21 | fredl | if you only use your laptop around the house it's probably better to simply configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:40.23 | p0g0__ | then you should be able to sort out which driver |
| 09:40.40 | yacko | fredl: i have installed wl and followed the steps.. i am just stuck at configuring the wifi card |
| 09:40.57 | fredl | the network-manager stuff is only remotely useful if you move around a lot with your laptop |
| 09:41.09 | n3lab | i want dating with girl :) |
| 09:41.32 | fredl | yacko, simply add some comparable lines to /etc/network/interfaces for iface wlan0 for now |
| 09:41.34 | yacko | p0g0__: i move to 2-3 places.. but all same ips |
| 09:41.55 | fredl | yacko, did you succesfully modprobe wl ? |
| 09:42.06 | n3lab | i want dating with girl! |
| 09:42.07 | yacko | yes |
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| 09:42.21 | yacko | fredl: my eth1 is up |
| 09:42.38 | fredl | alright, does it have an IP address already? |
| 09:42.50 | n3lab | oh god |
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| 09:43.38 | yacko | fredl: no |
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| 09:43.49 | mcgreg | hi |
| 09:43.57 | fredl | yacko - configure your wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces then. |
| 09:44.01 | mcgreg | anyone familiar with os-prober and grub2? |
| 09:44.18 | n3lab | i want dating with girl! |
| 09:44.28 | fredl | yacko, you know how to do that? |
| 09:44.47 | yacko | fredl: not really.. :P |
| 09:44.57 | mcgreg | os-prober finds 2 2 entrys (1. windows, 2. gentoo linux) - but only adds windows. is there a clear reason for that? |
| 09:45.13 | fredl | yacko, since you want wlan0 to have a fixed IP address, just configure it similarly to eth0 |
| 09:45.25 | yacko | doing that... |
| 09:45.29 | fredl | yacko - you only need to add the ESSID for your wlan to the confic section |
| 09:45.34 | n3lab | yacko, u can type ur ip at gnome utilite |
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| 09:46.20 | fredl | yacko - some line like: 'wireless_essid "MYESSID: |
| 09:46.35 | fredl | yacko - and probably "wireless_mode managed" |
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| 09:46.48 | n3lab | aa |
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| 09:47.18 | n3lab | so u can use some automatic soft |
| 09:47.18 | fredl | yacko - after you've done that, simply try ifup wlan0 |
| 09:47.21 | yacko | i am a bit confuised now |
| 09:47.30 | fredl | :) |
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| 09:48.09 | fredl | yacko - just copy/paste your eth0 section. Replace eth0 with wlan0. Under the wlan0's section, add 'wireless_essid MYAP' |
| 09:48.13 | fredl | with me so far? |
| 09:48.33 | fredl | you know the SID for your access point? |
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| 09:49.33 | yacko | yes |
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| 09:49.43 | yacko | i can find that out |
| 09:49.52 | fredl | iwlist eth1 scanning |
| 09:50.16 | yacko | ok |
| 09:50.17 | yacko | got it |
| 09:50.18 | fredl | that should show your AP (and maybe those of your neighbors :) |
| 09:50.20 | yacko | now what |
| 09:50.20 | EduardeCalibal | Hi guys. Someone here know if wine have a option to stretch the screen of old programs to the window screen size? |
| 09:50.33 | fredl | yacko, you see the 'ESSID: ....' in the output? |
| 09:50.34 | yacko | copy that essid ? |
| 09:50.36 | amee2k | hm... i'm trying to install debian on an embedded x86 system that i could not get to boot from an external drive. is there a way to prepare a debian system on the flash card from an existing system,then put it in the embedded client and run the configuration menu from there? |
| 09:50.40 | fredl | yes |
| 09:50.47 | yacko | fredl: yes.. copy that essid |
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| 09:51.13 | p0g0__ | ameek2: look up Voyage Linux |
| 09:51.14 | amee2k | well, if yes, where can i find how-tos or tutorials on this? |
| 09:51.17 | fredl | yacko also add a line 'wireless_mode managed' |
| 09:51.40 | fredl | just to be on the safe side, although I think that's default |
| 09:52.22 | fredl | yacko - after you've done that, simply 'ifup wlan0' |
| 09:52.27 | yacko | alright |
| 09:52.37 | amee2k | p0g0__: sounds interresting. at first glance i understand it is an otherwise stock debian system with a customized installer.is that about right? |
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| 09:52.58 | yacko | fredl: it says host unreachable |
| 09:53.19 | yacko | fredl: it is not pinging from my wifi ip |
| 09:53.28 | yacko | my wifi ip is 250 |
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| 09:53.36 | fredl | yacko - do ifconfig wlan0 and see if it has the IP address |
| 09:53.48 | fredl | oh okay, and is the 250 the one you configured too? |
| 09:53.55 | p0g0__ | ameek: sort of-but it will build and flash to a cf for you cleanly. |
| 09:54.11 | yacko | ping to the gateway from shows 240 which is my wired |
| 09:54.24 | yacko | fredl: it does not show ip |
| 09:54.25 | fredl | yacko - since you still have the eth0 active now, you may have some conflicting default routes |
| 09:54.32 | quakerrrr | amee2k Maybe try this: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 09:54.32 | quakerrrr | If you can use flash disk, try it. It has some tutorial there on Debian website How to install -there you find details |
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| 09:54.33 | yacko | yeah |
| 09:54.34 | fredl | oh... |
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| 09:55.01 | fredl | yacko - try ifdown eth0 / ifdown eth1 / ifup eth1 |
| 09:55.13 | yacko | alright let me take it down. |
| 09:55.26 | amee2k | quakerrrr: the problem is, i can only use one flash card at a time. so i can't install from one card onto another, then swap cards |
| 09:55.45 | Zvpun | how can I see the content of a http connection with tcpdump? I can only see all the tpc ip header stuff when I run tcpdump. |
| 09:55.50 | yacko | fredl: now it says network is unreachable |
| 09:56.02 | fredl | yacko - hmm, that is odd... |
| 09:56.17 | fredl | yacko - what does iwconfig wlan0 say? |
| 09:56.36 | fredl | does it have the right ESSID? |
| 09:57.00 | yacko | it says essid "" nickname : "" |
| 09:57.10 | yacko | accesspoint : not - assosiated |
| 09:57.14 | yacko | nop |
| 09:57.18 | g00se | I'm receiving redirects from backports when using aptitude and updates are failing. Is it just me? |
| 09:57.41 | fredl | hmm something not right there. Try manually typing 'iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID' |
| 09:58.19 | fredl | and try to pastebin your new /etc/network/interfaces as well |
| 09:58.36 | fredl | did the iwconfig correctly set your ESSID? |
| 09:58.37 | yacko | doesnt configure |
| 09:58.52 | yacko | does not set essid |
| 09:58.53 | fredl | that's odd, does it give any error? |
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| 09:58.55 | p0g0__ | yacko: there's no WEP or WPA on the wireless lan is there? |
| 09:59.04 | yacko | yes wep |
| 09:59.04 | amee2k | p0g0__: i think i'll give voyage a go next. thank you very much for the pointer :) |
| 09:59.27 | fredl | *ugh* okay... WEP or WPA? |
| 09:59.47 | yacko | i guess WEP i am not sure |
| 09:59.55 | fredl | you know the password? |
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| 10:00.02 | yacko | yes |
| 10:00.19 | p0g0__ | yacko: you need to be root or such, and the interface should be up as well, before you try iwconfig |
| 10:00.40 | yacko | p0g0__: yeah i now.. i am logged in as root from terminal |
| 10:00.46 | EduardeCalibal | Cya guys... |
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| 10:01.43 | fredl | *shrug* okay... iwconfig wlan0 key |
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| 10:02.00 | fredl | iwconfig wlan0 key yourkey |
| 10:02.11 | fredl | like iwconfig eth0 key 0123-4567-89 |
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| 10:02.19 | fredl | ehr wlan0 ofcourse |
| 10:02.38 | remote | eth1 |
| 10:02.39 | p0g0__ | fredl: he might have wpa_supplicant running... |
| 10:02.57 | yacko | ok |
| 10:02.59 | yacko | let me try |
| 10:03.05 | fredl | don't think so though p0g0__ |
| 10:03.17 | fredl | but let's see :) |
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| 10:03.29 | fredl | p0g0__, he only needs the wifi for his home network. |
| 10:03.47 | mcgreg | is there somewhere a 2.6.32-rc* kernel for debian? or can I use ubuntu kernel for bdebian .. is that "safe"? |
| 10:03.48 | yacko | it says for error for wireless request "setr encode'" (8B2A |
| 10:04.12 | yacko | fredl: sorry to trouble you soo much |
| 10:04.41 | fredl | it's okay |
| 10:04.53 | fredl | iwconfig wlan0 key s:yourkey |
| 10:05.23 | fredl | does that work? |
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| 10:05.27 | yacko | nop |
| 10:05.36 | fredl | same error? |
| 10:06.05 | yacko | yes.. same error |
| 10:06.42 | fredl | hang on |
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| 10:07.00 | yacko | ok |
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| 10:07.26 | fredl | is it possible for you to pastebin your iwconfig wlan0 scanning output still? |
| 10:08.03 | fredl | you might have to connect your cable again :) |
| 10:08.35 | do0ob | hi |
| 10:08.46 | do0ob | how can i find which program is currently using the sound system? |
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| 10:09.18 | do0ob | i thought everything now supported also but it seems something else is using it |
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| 10:09.24 | yacko | i will have to connect cable |
| 10:09.27 | do0ob | alsa* |
| 10:09.29 | Gijs | hey all |
| 10:09.34 | yacko | let me connect the cable |
| 10:09.37 | do0ob | hi |
| 10:09.48 | yacko | brb |
| 10:09.56 | Gijs | I don't really know where i need to ask this but i think/hope here |
| 10:09.58 | fredl | yacko - I'm not fully familiar with how to configure WEP/WPA from the /etc/network/interfaces so some things may take some experimenting |
| 10:10.21 | yacko | no worries bro.. i am all in for experimenting |
| 10:10.21 | Gijs | How do i change my hostname on my debian server? |
| 10:10.45 | Gijs | example i run a ircbot: * Nick(Nick@ffs-13C99208.clients.your-server.de) has joined #channel |
| 10:10.50 | fredl | ok. |
| 10:10.51 | Gijs | how do i change that hostname? |
| 10:11.17 | fredl | Gijs - you can't. it's the hostname your ISP has configured in it's reverse DNS |
| 10:11.21 | petemc | Gijs: thats your reverse dns, likely you cant |
| 10:11.32 | Gijs | i can't |
| 10:11.42 | Gijs | somebody told me i need to change blabla then it will change |
| 10:12.04 | fredl | Gijs, some IRC networks allow you to sign up and let the bot log in, in order to make it look like it's something@ircnetwork.com |
| 10:12.05 | Gijs | cause i have my own domain and i wanna change that hostname to my domain |
| 10:12.20 | petemc | unless your isp has delegated control of it to you, which they dont often do, you wont be able to do anything |
| 10:12.33 | Gijs | hmm ok |
| 10:12.34 | Gijs | thanks |
| 10:12.44 | fredl | Gijs - alternatively you could ask your ISP to change the reverse DNS pointer for your IP address to resolve to your domainname |
| 10:12.51 | fredl | Gijs - most won't :-) |
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| 10:13.37 | fredl | Gijs - is it a static IP address that's been assigned to you? |
| 10:13.44 | Gijs | yes |
| 10:14.09 | fredl | well then ask your ISP, maybe they will do it for you. |
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| 10:14.17 | Gijs | ok thanks |
| 10:14.27 | fredl | if you can find a helpdesk person that understands what the hell you're talking about :P |
| 10:14.39 | Gijs | lol |
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| 10:15.56 | [gnubie] | i built a debian package but when i extract it, it doesn't contain any binaries. anyone can help me here? |
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| 10:18.09 | nsadmin | man dh_install |
| 10:19.25 | themill | [gnubie]: I'll guess that you didn't correctly set DESTDIR in the install target or didn't specify that things should be copied across in your debian/packagename.install (or debian/install) file. |
| 10:20.11 | [gnubie] | let me check my debian/rules |
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| 10:21.03 | fredl | nsadmin, you want to help yacko further when he returns? |
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| 10:21.26 | fredl | I'm freezing my titsicles off here and gotta get something to eat :) |
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| 10:26.02 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm trying to find a way to make an interface down if it get too many collisions or errors (> x %), any idea on how to do that ? |
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| 10:26.46 | SMSshock | 4itaj 4uzhije sms vsego za 0.15 sant. -- > www.chitay-sms.tk |
| 10:26.54 | the-dude | henry-nicolas: should you fix the problem instead of making a workaround? |
| 10:28.09 | [gnubie] | themill: the contents of my debian/packagename.install are my additional scripts |
| 10:28.56 | henry-nicolas | the-dude: I'm not trying to fix the problem. There is no problem, I got a redundant system (using ethernet bonding, dual firewalls), I just want to be able to shut an interface down if it got too many errors. |
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| 10:30.27 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: you could just write a script that gets the output if '/sbin/ifconfig <device>', and then restarts it in the right conditions. Run it in cron. |
| 10:31.36 | henry-nicolas | somiaj: no clean way to do that (via kernel or existing package) ? |
| 10:32.45 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: no, there is an /etc/init.d/networking script that will restart your whole network...but for what you want it will be straightforward to get a script to do it |
| 10:33.12 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: just need ifdown <device>; ifup <device> |
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| 10:33.33 | henry-nicolas | somiaj: ok, so I will write one to do that. |
| 10:34.22 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: but most would follow the-dude's advice, figure out why you are getting so many collisions and try to fix that. |
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| 10:35.05 | yacko | fredl: u there ? |
| 10:35.59 | henry-nicolas | somiaj: I got 0 collisions. I just want my system to automatically switch to the backup interface if things go wrong. Then I could have some time to fix the collision issue. That's just prevention. |
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| 10:37.06 | zamba | i have a problem when setting up ip aliasing |
| 10:37.20 | zamba | i can ping the alias ip on the same network, but not across routers |
| 10:37.25 | zamba | what can cause that? |
| 10:38.45 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: on another note if you want to monitor the network you could check 'apt-cache search network | grep monitor', and see if any of those will monitor your network and switch to your redudent system in the case of things going aray. |
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| 10:39.31 | henry-nicolas | somiaj: Yes, I will, thank you |
| 10:39.50 | [gnubie] | themill: kindly check this => http://paste.debian.net/49470/ |
| 10:40.38 | somiaj | henry-nicolas: and of course apt-cache show <pkgname> will give you more detials on the package if the short description isn't enough. |
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| 10:41.15 | henry-nicolas | somiaj: Yes I know that, thank you :) |
| 10:41.15 | zamba | how safe is /etc/init.d/networking restart remotely? |
| 10:41.17 | zamba | especially if i change the ip? |
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| 10:41.38 | factor | what package is rar in? |
| 10:41.44 | zamba | since i loose the connection in the middle of running it, how can i be sure that it succeeds? |
| 10:42.03 | hvnqke_work | factor, unar, I think |
| 10:42.07 | hvnqke_work | *unrar |
| 10:42.12 | simonrvn | !rar |
| 10:42.12 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either the "rar" or "unrar" programs in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the 'rar' package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 10:42.55 | troubled | henry-nicolas: might wanna give nagios a look. not much different that hand coding a cron script to act on a problem, but you get the added benifit of nagios sending emails, keeping history, ackownleging the problem and even running something when it comes up. |
| 10:42.59 | factor | ok thanks |
| 10:43.06 | simonrvn | troubled: ! |
| 10:43.11 | troubled | simonrvn: ! |
| 10:43.34 | troubled | chaiyya's with simonrvn |
| 10:43.45 | simonrvn | dances |
| 10:43.51 | zamba | anyone? |
| 10:43.55 | [gnubie] | themill: lines 8, 9, 15-23 are not in the output .deb package including the binaries |
| 10:44.13 | themill | [gnubie]: it depends on your upstream makefile, but if it's an autotools based one, it's usually "$(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/testpack" (not prefix and not including the /usr bit). |
| 10:44.15 | troubled | zamba: safe? well, depends if it gets another ip or not :) |
| 10:44.17 | simonrvn | zamba: cross your fingers or whatever |
| 10:44.40 | zamba | troubled: it gets another ip, yeah |
| 10:44.44 | zamba | troubled: another static ip |
| 10:44.54 | troubled | worst case, you could setup some sort of fall back cron job that can manually bring up the interface with a known good ip and whatnot after a few minutes |
| 10:45.09 | zamba | troubled: example? |
| 10:45.36 | [gnubie] | themill: the source does not come with a Makefile |
| 10:45.39 | themill | [gnubie]: btw why are you trying to package nginx when it's already in debian? |
| 10:45.40 | troubled | use the "at" command and feed it some bash script with your "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 up ....." |
| 10:45.58 | [gnubie] | themill: that version is not in the repository |
| 10:46.03 | zamba | troubled: i've never used 'at' before |
| 10:46.18 | zamba | troubled: and knowing my programming skills, i need to test this script several times before it actually works :p |
| 10:46.24 | themill | [gnubie]: so there's no need to start the packaging from scratch, try updating the debian package. /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 10:46.26 | zamba | troubled: so i'll probably fuck up that script as well |
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| 10:46.33 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:46.39 | simonrvn | well duh, of course you test it first. |
| 10:46.44 | troubled | zamba: live life on the edge then, or go try it in vmware |
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| 10:47.28 | J_P | people, how I change in clock time of BRT to BRST? |
| 10:47.38 | troubled | its usually not a big deal for most people to do remote network suff since they also usually have remote console access |
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| 10:47.59 | factor | all i get is failed on unrar |
| 10:48.10 | factor | does not seem to work. anyone know why? |
| 10:48.24 | simonrvn | hitf do you get a remote console anyway. extremely long serial cable? |
| 10:48.26 | factor | actually got the prog but is not uncompressing |
| 10:48.37 | jeff_hann | factor: try unrar-nonfree |
| 10:48.42 | petemc | factor: could be you need to use the non-free unrara |
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| 10:49.03 | factor | oh |
| 10:49.03 | g00se | zamba: Try running it with nohup |
| 10:49.07 | spook | har har, you guy are being annoyed by clueless backtrack users instead of ##slackware now! |
| 10:49.08 | troubled | simonrvn: think like drac and stuff |
| 10:49.10 | anoob | good morning guys... someone can help me to mount a kingstone pen drive? |
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| 10:49.16 | zamba | g00se: nohup /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 10:49.23 | anoob | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0951:1607 Kingston Technology DataTraveler 100 |
| 10:49.27 | [gnubie] | themill: how can i update when the version that i want to install is not yet even in the unstable? |
| 10:49.35 | jeff_hann | anoob: lsusb |
| 10:49.37 | g00se | zamba: I meant rar actually |
| 10:49.47 | zamba | g00se: huh? |
| 10:49.58 | remote | rar |
| 10:50.01 | themill | [gnubie]: as I said, /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 10:50.18 | g00se | zamba: I thought you were talking about running rar remotely |
| 10:50.22 | jeff_hann | zamba: you need to UNpack a archive, right? |
| 10:50.32 | zamba | jeff_hann: huh? no? |
| 10:50.38 | anoob | http://paste.uni.cc/20299 |
| 10:50.41 | zamba | i've never talked about rar :) |
| 10:50.49 | zamba | i need to change the ips remotely |
| 10:50.53 | anoob | jeff_hann, http://paste.uni.cc/20299 |
| 10:50.57 | zamba | by issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:50.58 | jeff_hann | zamba: oops, sorry |
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| 10:51.15 | zamba | but maybe nohup can help me as well? |
| 10:51.28 | factor | Thanks that was it. |
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| 10:52.13 | p0g0__ | zamba: you might want a failsafe that reverts to a known good IP if you don't manage to connect back to your net in some given amount of time- that way, you'll not get locked out. |
| 10:52.13 | jeff_hann | anoob: that's /dev/sda |
| 10:52.15 | g00se | zamba: You should be OK with that - as long as you don't forget your new ip ;-) |
| 10:52.22 | anoob | ok |
| 10:52.39 | zamba | p0g0__: using 'at'? |
| 10:52.40 | anoob | jeff_hann, but i can't mount it... |
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| 10:52.56 | p0g0__ | zamba: or such, yes. |
| 10:52.57 | jeff_hann | anoob: and consequently. /dev/sda1 for the 1st partition and so on |
| 10:53.07 | zamba | p0g0__: what did you mean by failsafe? |
| 10:53.22 | troubled | zamba: just did a restart here via ssh, kept the connection fine with only a brief moment where it was hung |
| 10:53.35 | zamba | troubled: yeah, as long as you "change" to the same ip |
| 10:53.38 | anoob | jeff_hann, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/ |
| 10:53.39 | anoob | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 10:53.42 | zamba | troubled: but i want to change the ips |
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| 10:54.02 | zamba | and the server is situated many kms away from me, so i need to be very sure i issue the right command |
| 10:54.09 | jeff_hann | anoob: if you try /dev/sda2 what does mount say? |
| 10:54.11 | troubled | zamba: well, nohup probably help for that, but chances are that it would take a few minutes for the connection to time out anyways |
| 10:54.15 | simonrvn | you'll have to reconnect of course. |
| 10:54.17 | p0g0__ | zamba: i have a set of wireless APs tat live on the tops of mountians- i don't want to go up there unless I have to, so when i update them, I set a timer that reverts the update if I don't log in and stop it...as an example. |
| 10:54.32 | zamba | p0g0__: using what? |
| 10:54.35 | zamba | p0g0__: at? cron? |
| 10:54.37 | anoob | i get the same error :S |
| 10:54.48 | jeff_hann | odd |
| 10:54.48 | troubled | zamba: if you are that worried, use screen |
| 10:54.52 | anoob | i tried sd(1,2,3,4,5) |
| 10:54.54 | anoob | :S |
| 10:54.56 | zamba | troubled: how will screen help me? |
| 10:54.59 | anoob | i tried sda(1,2,3,4,5) * |
| 10:55.01 | p0g0__ | zamba: cron and grub and a flag file. |
| 10:55.06 | g00se | anoob: Unplug the device. sudo tail -f /var/log/messages Plug it back in. udev will tell you where it is |
| 10:55.10 | troubled | zamba: its like a versatile nohup |
| 10:55.16 | simonrvn | one of the ends drops out, changes, so of course you have to reconnect anyway. |
| 10:55.28 | zamba | troubled: if i -change- the ip, then it's not able to pick up that, is it? |
| 10:55.44 | zamba | p0g0__: flag file? |
| 10:56.08 | p0g0__ | zamba: a simple flag, if the file exists, don't revert... |
| 10:56.11 | yacko | p0g0__: still not able to use wifi |
| 10:56.14 | troubled | zamba: after you change ips you just ssh back in and run the command to reattach to the screen. ip change is irrelevent |
| 10:56.27 | yacko | remote: u there ? |
| 10:56.31 | yacko | fredl: u there ? |
| 10:56.56 | remote | what's cookin my little niggah? |
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| 10:57.18 | yacko | remote: still cant get wifi up.. not wired |
| 10:57.28 | remote | why not? |
| 10:57.32 | troubled | zamba: do you know if the new ip is ready to be used yet? tried an eth alias? |
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| 10:57.45 | simonrvn | remote: ! |
| 10:57.46 | zamba | troubled: that's what i started out with |
| 10:57.52 | zamba | troubled: and the eth alias didn't work |
| 10:57.54 | remote | hey simonrvn ca va? :) |
| 10:58.07 | anoob | g00se, http://paste.uni.cc/20300 |
| 10:58.08 | zamba | troubled: it works locally, but not across gws |
| 10:58.11 | simonrvn | ouais, toi? |
| 10:58.14 | yacko | now when i check my resolv.conf my nameservers are gone and it says nameservers will be set dynamically |
| 10:58.15 | remote | pas mal ouais |
| 10:58.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:58.22 | remote | quoi de bon? |
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| 10:58.35 | zamba | troubled: if i am on the same network as the server, i can ping the alias ip |
| 10:58.43 | g00se | zamba: ip is irrelevant *if* your DNS is fully responsive and correct |
| 10:58.44 | simonrvn | too much to tell on irc ;) |
| 10:58.50 | jeff_hann | anoob: did you try g00se's advice? |
| 10:58.53 | remote | hah good to hear |
| 10:58.57 | yacko | remote any suggestions for me ? |
| 10:59.00 | troubled | zamba: just not from the internet? |
| 10:59.02 | anoob | yes, i did it... http://paste.uni.cc/20300 |
| 10:59.05 | zamba | troubled: yup |
| 10:59.09 | remote | yacko: obviously not, i have no idea what your problem is ! |
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| 10:59.28 | yacko | now when i check my resolv.conf my nameservers are gone and it says nameservers will be set dynamically |
| 10:59.38 | yacko | remote: i was trying to get wifi running |
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| 10:59.41 | jeff_hann | anoob: what kernel are you using? |
| 10:59.45 | g00se | anoob: file -s /dev/sda |
| 10:59.55 | yacko | got wl module up and running that detected my wifi |
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| 11:00.03 | troubled | zamba: well, sounds like its okay on your end, but not ready to be used yet. not really my field, but it sounds like ARP is working fine if you can ping from the same subnet. perhaps they arent ready to route that ip to your machine yet? |
| 11:00.04 | anoob | g00se, /dev/sda: empty |
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| 11:00.27 | zamba | troubled: it worked from another machine half an hour ago |
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| 11:00.33 | remote | then what makes you believe it doesn't work? |
| 11:00.44 | g00se | anoob: Dud stick? |
| 11:00.49 | zamba | troubled: the ip was on another machine half an hour ago, i mean |
| 11:01.00 | zamba | troubled: and that machine is now down and i want to move the ip to my other/new server |
| 11:01.07 | g00se | anoob: (Or just empty ;-)) |
| 11:01.32 | g00se | anoob: What's your goal? |
| 11:01.34 | troubled | zamba: maybe it just needed to time out on the router or something, who knows. try again? |
| 11:01.34 | anoob | it's plugged in... |
| 11:01.44 | zamba | troubled: trying |
| 11:01.56 | anoob | i'm trying to mount it... |
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| 11:02.28 | anoob | jeff_hann, Linux willian 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:02.28 | zamba | troubled: when specifying aliases, you only need to specify ip and netmask, right? |
| 11:02.29 | g00se | anoob: There's no point in mounting it if there's no fs on it |
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| 11:02.51 | anoob | hum... but i can't format it... |
| 11:03.00 | troubled | zamba: ifconfig can assume certain things if left blank |
| 11:03.26 | g00se | anoob: mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda |
| 11:03.26 | jeff_hann | anoob: can you mount it in, say, windows? |
| 11:03.29 | troubled | netmask or broadcast i think maybe |
| 11:03.46 | zamba | troubled: yeah, but it's a non-standard netmask |
| 11:04.03 | troubled | zamba: ip and netmask then |
| 11:04.09 | g00se | anoob: jeff_hann's question is a good one - play it safe |
| 11:04.14 | anoob | g00se, mkdosfs: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sda' (use -I to override) |
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| 11:04.17 | zamba | troubled: yeah, because it'll use the same gateway, right? |
| 11:04.21 | anoob | jeff_hann, i can't... |
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| 11:04.29 | anoob | jeff_hann, i can't do it... * |
| 11:04.40 | troubled | zamba: depends on your route tables where traffic goes |
| 11:04.57 | g00se | anoob: Create a partition on it with cfdisk |
| 11:05.00 | jeff_hann | anoob: I guess a format will solve your problems, since it looks like a corrupt partition table/fs/whatever |
| 11:05.09 | yacko | how do i not let debain to dynamically create resolv.conf |
| 11:05.12 | zamba | troubled: what if you have two NICs in the same network, but with different ips.. how can i get those to route independently? |
| 11:05.13 | troubled | zamba: when you bring up the alias though, a route should be added to deal with that specific alias though. the default should remain unchanged |
| 11:05.30 | zamba | troubled: oh? |
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| 11:05.39 | zamba | troubled: no special route here |
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| 11:06.10 | troubled | your "special" route would be the default gateway. but thats not too important right now for testing |
| 11:06.32 | zamba | troubled: well.. if i'm not able to route to the alias ip on the internet, then that's a concern, right? |
| 11:06.37 | marcin_ | Hi. I'm passing to boot options command break, which should stop initrd with command line. But I have a message like: can't access tty. job control turned off. What's wrong |
| 11:06.41 | marcin_ | ? |
| 11:06.54 | troubled | zamba: once you verify the ip though, you plan on it not being an alias right? |
| 11:06.56 | marcin_ | Of couse, I couldn't pass anything via keryboard. :/ |
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| 11:07.07 | anoob | cfdisk /dev/sda outputs FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 11:07.11 | zamba | troubled: one of the ips has to be an alias |
| 11:07.16 | zamba | troubled: so the aliasing has tow ork |
| 11:07.19 | zamba | to work* |
| 11:07.47 | troubled | and it should work if everything is setup right |
| 11:07.52 | jeff_hann | anoob: maybe you should try something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=8192 |
| 11:08.06 | Thrae | anoob: grep sda /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:08.14 | troubled | what isn't important is the default gw. you still want everything to go out the working ip |
| 11:08.17 | zamba | troubled: well.. it responds locally.. |
| 11:08.25 | zamba | troubled: but not from the internet |
| 11:08.54 | zamba | let's try a traceroute |
| 11:09.11 | troubled | zamba: if it works from another machine in the subnet, its proof that arp resolution for that alias nic is working, and technically it should be fine as far as I can see it |
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| 11:09.39 | troubled | your isp actually routing that ip to you or not is another story |
| 11:09.44 | zamba | troubled: so no issues with no added gw for the alias? |
| 11:10.28 | troubled | as soon as you brought up the alias, a route for that netmask/subnet should have been put up |
| 11:10.55 | zamba | troubled: well, it's not |
| 11:11.06 | zamba | troubled: i have no special, extra route for the alias |
| 11:11.26 | troubled | you are just using ifconfig? |
| 11:11.44 | troubled | usually use /etc/network/interfaces myself, but let me take a look at a plain old ifconfig up |
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| 11:12.02 | anoob | jeff_hann, http://paste.uni.cc/20301 |
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| 11:13.19 | jeff_hann | anoob: try to format it now |
| 11:13.36 | anoob | error |
| 11:13.37 | troubled | zamba: not sure what to tell you, looks fine here |
| 11:13.45 | jeff_hann | anoob: same error? |
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| 11:14.01 | anoob | yeap :S |
| 11:14.49 | jeff_hann | anoob: sorry, I suspect that your stick has bad blocks eg it's a hardware fault somewhere |
| 11:15.04 | jeff_hann | anoob: still, do you have another kernel you can boot? |
| 11:15.57 | anoob | no... i don't :( |
| 11:15.57 | jeff_hann | anoob: where did you install your kernel? |
| 11:15.57 | anoob | windows has problems also with it... |
| 11:15.57 | anoob | aptitude |
| 11:16.09 | jeff_hann | what does windows say? |
| 11:16.40 | jeff_hann | if you can remember |
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| 11:18.34 | Zvpun | how can I see the content of a http connection with tcpdump? I can only see all the tpc ip header stuff when I run tcpdump. |
| 11:19.02 | petemc | Zvpun: most people look at the capture with wireshark |
| 11:19.40 | anoob | nothing... windows :S |
| 11:20.22 | jeff_hann | anoob: do a aptitude search linux-image and install another kernel, boot it and try again |
| 11:21.10 | anoob | i'm trying sg_format --format /dev/sda command... |
| 11:21.30 | Zvpun | petemc: is it possible with tcpdump though? |
| 11:21.48 | g00se | anoob: (Or just empty ;-)) |
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| 11:22.13 | anoob | g00se, ??? |
| 11:22.24 | g00se | Sorry - keyboard error |
| 11:23.20 | yacyac | my resolv.conf file says this http://pastebin.com/m626376ef |
| 11:23.30 | g00se | anoob: dosfsck /dev/hda |
| 11:23.39 | g00se | Oops sda |
| 11:23.47 | yacyac | i do not want it to be dynamiclly set.. is there a solution for that ? |
| 11:24.14 | anoob | what does it do? |
| 11:24.26 | anoob | dosfsck 3.0.6, 04 Oct 2009, FAT32, LFN |
| 11:24.27 | anoob | Got 0 bytes instead of 512 at 0 |
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| 11:25.34 | g00se | anoob: dosfsck -a /dev/hda |
| 11:26.04 | anoob | g00se, i get the same output... |
| 11:26.20 | jelly | g00se: sda... don't make him fsck a real disk! |
| 11:27.18 | jelly | anoob: what does your dmesg output look like? |
| 11:27.25 | sauvin | always does an fsck on /dev/sd[a-z][1-9] |
| 11:27.40 | jelly | anoob: or last ~200 lines of /var/log/kern.log |
| 11:28.06 | jelly | !spank sauvin |
| 11:28.06 | dpkg | bends sauvin over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:28.43 | sauvin | erupts with seismically significant flatulence |
| 11:29.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
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| 11:30.19 | chellomere | measures 7 on the richter scale |
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| 11:30.38 | anoob | jrlly, http://paste.uni.cc/20303 |
| 11:30.43 | anoob | jelly, http://paste.uni.cc/20303 * |
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| 11:31.40 | jeff_hann | jelly: sda is the usb stick |
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| 11:32.39 | jelly | anoob: I see repeated "sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] READ CAPACITY failed" ... this means the usb driver (or the controller) wasn't able to see the device size. After that the device will be effectively unusable |
| 11:32.51 | chellomere | sauvin, then you would miss for example the sdaf0 I had a few days ago! |
| 11:32.55 | jelly | anoob: try a different port |
| 11:32.57 | chellomere | uh, sdaf1 |
| 11:33.12 | sauvin | sdaf1!? |
| 11:33.16 | jelly | chellomere: sauvin never saw more than 26 disks in a machine. |
| 11:33.39 | sauvin | Nope, never did. I didn't know designations would run like that. |
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| 11:33.58 | anoob | jelly, i get the same error in another port |
| 11:34.06 | jelly | sauvin: here, have a brw-r----- 1 root disk 67, 241 Oct 14 17:54 /dev/sdbl1 |
| 11:34.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | mmmm. disks.... |
| 11:35.09 | jelly | anoob: if the stick behaves the same in another machine, consider it broken |
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| 11:36.11 | anoob | hum... ok, i will try it.. |
| 11:38.02 | jelly | sauvin: this often happens in multipath environments, Linux sees the same block device over multiple paths and considers each path as a separate sdX device |
| 11:38.28 | jelly | so sdaf = 32 paths to perhaps 4 or 8 real LUNs |
| 11:38.32 | sauvin | What does 'multipath' mean? |
| 11:39.53 | jelly | it means there is more than one way to reach the same disk. Usually in storage-area networks. |
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| 11:40.27 | sauvin | Ah. Casual home users would be unlikely to have to deal with such things, yes? |
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| 11:41.53 | jelly | indeed, unless you intentionally play with such things |
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| 11:47.39 | sweetandy | Hooray! alsa sound works on my Mac Mini! |
| 11:48.10 | sweetandy | The sound on my iBook G4, however, does not work. Try to turn on the sound and it does not turn on. Try to run an audio file and the program crashes! |
| 11:48.14 | sweetandy | but that's okay |
| 11:48.20 | sweetandy | I normally keep it pretty quiet when I run it anyway ; ) |
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| 11:57.16 | sauvin | is installing fedora 11 into a vm on a lappie (debian lenny host) and notes the sucker takes easily ten times as long to install as lenny did into a vm on the same machine |
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| 11:59.41 | TTimo | hello .. I'm wondering if it's a problem to have 'noauto,defaults' entry on some devices in /etc/fstab .. does putting a 'defaults' there somehow nullifies the noauto maybe ? |
| 11:59.56 | TTimo | doubt anyone would know for sure, but I suppose it's worth asking |
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| 12:04.22 | loca|host | hello all |
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| 12:04.59 | ale_ | hi |
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| 12:08.01 | loca|host | what can you do when someone in the network is setting hi ip address to the lan gateway ip address ? this is annoying as it slows down internet and is a security problem ... i dont get any way to solve such a problem since i cant physically know who is responsible of this attack, all i can do is server side (gateway side) |
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| 12:08.45 | jelly | loca|host: find them using your manageable switch, and disconnect their port |
| 12:08.47 | TTimo | you lookup his MAC and track him down this way |
| 12:09.35 | loca|host | the switch is not manageable |
| 12:09.44 | TTimo | mh no my problem can't be an fstab thing |
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| 12:10.17 | jelly | loca|host: there are automated scripts that do that, they also take-over any detected www site traffic and serve malware instead |
| 12:10.56 | loca|host | jelly, can you advise me some ? |
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| 12:12.31 | jelly | loca|host: let them take the ip, then look at your arp cache for the mac address. |
| 12:12.49 | jelly | loca|host: then track that mac address. |
| 12:12.56 | troubled | jelly: what if its 00:00:00:00:00:01? :) |
| 12:13.17 | jelly | troubled: what if it's not? |
| 12:14.24 | jelly | troubled: he doesn't have a decent switch anyway, so he'll have fun disconnecting one machine by one anyway |
| 12:14.26 | winter | xerox |
| 12:15.01 | troubled | jelly: im wondering if its wifi or something with open access |
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| 12:15.28 | troubled | surely if it were an actual business, that would be something worthy of administrative punishment |
| 12:16.06 | jelly | troubled: I've seen a rooted colo do that. |
| 12:16.37 | troubled | jelly: try to spoof the gateway? |
| 12:16.44 | jelly | try? Succeed. |
| 12:16.48 | troubled | :) |
| 12:16.57 | troubled | static arp tables ftw |
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| 12:17.09 | jelly | then listen to all the traffic, and spoof the visible web sites instead. |
| 12:17.28 | troubled | although I suspect that consumer grade switches can still be tricked as to what port a mac belongs to perhaps |
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| 12:17.34 | pif | hi, is there a utility to securely erase a whole disk in debian? |
| 12:17.44 | troubled | pif: dd is cheap and simple |
| 12:17.53 | troubled | shred works too though |
| 12:18.04 | pif | ah , shred, thx |
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| 12:18.19 | pif | or "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" ? |
| 12:18.26 | jelly | pif: if you trust the hdd vendor, man hdparm, read about --security-erase |
| 12:18.35 | pif | ack |
| 12:18.47 | troubled | pif: i should mention though that technically there is a secure ata wipe command that also wipes relocated sectors among other things. so its probably just a tad more thorough than a dd/shred |
| 12:19.08 | troubled | what jelly said |
| 12:19.27 | Titan8990 | !dban |
| 12:19.27 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq |
| 12:19.34 | pif | has a whole bunch of old [sp]ata drives he has to dispose of |
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| 12:20.17 | jelly | older devices might not implement that command |
| 12:22.09 | pif | especially if used through a usb/ata converter |
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| 12:29.12 | jolelion | hi everybody |
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| 12:30.55 | jolelion | howto make an equivalent debian-keyring package for my own packages on my own local apt repository ? |
| 12:30.57 | RichiH | how much space does a mirror for stable & testing with i386 & x64 take? |
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| 12:31.11 | RichiH | a rough guess is fine |
| 12:31.15 | Zvpun | what packages is in charge of permissions of /dev/fuse? |
| 12:31.21 | Titan8990 | RichiH, 75gb |
| 12:31.28 | troubled | RichiH: my etch mirror is 26gig +6g of security updates |
| 12:31.35 | troubled | couldnt tell you about lenny though sry |
| 12:31.43 | RichiH | troubled: how many archs? |
| 12:31.49 | troubled | just x32 |
| 12:32.02 | RichiH | k |
| 12:32.09 | Titan8990 | RichiH, http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 12:32.14 | RichiH | so i should be fine with 200 gb |
| 12:32.16 | troubled | probably 30g per arch wouldnt surprise me |
| 12:33.42 | RichiH | Titan8990, troubled: thanks |
| 12:35.25 | meff | hey ya'll? its meff wife does anyohe know him here? |
| 12:35.45 | rdz | hi all. how can i tell, whether my integrated wifi card is 802.11n capable? lspci says: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) . it says 'ag' OR 'agn' .. how can i know now what it is? |
| 12:36.39 | sajes | rdz: Read intel's documentation. |
| 12:36.43 | jolelion | does someone as some docs or else for howto build a debian-keyring equivalent package? |
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| 12:37.58 | troubled | jolelion: you mean like a "Provides:" section? |
| 12:38.04 | meff | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.19 | troubled | thinking equivs package, but may not be what you are after if im reading that wrong |
| 12:39.08 | troubled | meff: I am sorry to hear that, you must be devistated! I can't say I knew him though, I rarely pop by here |
| 12:40.01 | meff | thanks troubled |
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| 12:41.31 | yacko | hello.. i was trying to install wicd and i am no longer able to access my weird connection |
| 12:41.43 | Zvpun | As of tody sshfs stoped working with: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied. I am using testing, how can I find out, what packages I upgraded today? |
| 12:41.46 | yacko | can anyone help me with this issue |
| 12:42.50 | troubled | Zvpun: i take it you are supposed to run it as a non root user? |
| 12:43.17 | Zvpun | troubled: I run it as local user in group fuse, I have used it every day for the last months. |
| 12:43.31 | troubled | Zvpun: ls -l /dev/fuse? |
| 12:43.58 | Zvpun | troubled: root:root |
| 12:44.01 | jolelion | troubled: no , I have a local repository on which I put some packages I built myself, when I look in aptitude on those package I have the warning message : This version of mypackage come from an uncertified source |
| 12:44.04 | troubled | either way, you probably want to tweak the udev rules to make the group/owner perms stick. not sure why it changed on you though |
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| 12:44.43 | troubled | jolelion: try add your key to apt-key? |
| 12:44.46 | jolelion | so I would like to sign my packages and provide an equivalent of debian-keyring package to avoid this error |
| 12:45.24 | troubled | if its a gpg key, i think the syntax is something like: gpg --export-key <keyid> | apt-key add - |
| 12:45.47 | jolelion | troubled: I know that this way works but my local is going to be use by some more persons than me |
| 12:46.10 | jolelion | that's why I would like to provide a keyring package |
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| 12:46.19 | whazilla_ | hi |
| 12:46.27 | Zvpun | troubled: is it supposed to be root root /dev/fuse? |
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| 12:46.41 | whazilla_ | how to findout dir % size of hdd in dirs ? |
| 12:46.50 | whazilla_ | df for mountlist |
| 12:47.16 | whazilla_ | got vista on one hdd and booted and colinux on a terrabyte hdd debian partition |
| 12:47.44 | whazilla_ | but how to do dir size stumbs me |
| 12:47.47 | troubled | jolelion: well, gpg has some switches to make your own keyrings, but you would have to make that into a package with a post install script that imports then into apt-key though I think. you cant just insert your key into the debian keyrings |
| 12:47.48 | jolelion | troubled: do you understand what I mean? |
| 12:47.56 | whazilla_ | is ther a tool for dirsize in debian ? |
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| 12:48.26 | rdz | sajes, i went on the the manufacturers page to see what card they built-in and they are ambiguous as well: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-67709 . isn't there a 'more technical' approach to gather the capabilities of my wifi card, since i seem not to be able to rely on the documentation? |
| 12:48.30 | troubled | Zvpun: no idea bud, I dont use sshfs. just trying to point you in the right direction about changing the permissions. udev is the beast you are after for the /dev/ files |
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| 12:48.39 | troubled | whazilla_: du -sm? |
| 12:49.16 | jolelion | troubled: I don't want to insert my key in the debian keyrings, I want to create my package jolelion_repository-keyring |
| 12:49.31 | whazilla_ | thkx troubled |
| 12:49.37 | whazilla_ | whats du again ? |
| 12:49.43 | rdz | disk usage |
| 12:49.43 | sajes | rdz: http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/wireless/wireless_n/overview.htm |
| 12:50.02 | whazilla_ | ah |
| 12:50.13 | whazilla_ | cant acces proc |
| 12:50.26 | whazilla_ | any good profiler for system or user space ? |
| 12:50.34 | troubled | jolelion: you could probably start with apt-get source for the debian keyring and then change the ./debian/ files to give it a custom package name and then replace their keyring with yours. then just make the package, but that still doesnt change the fact that the package itself is untrusted as far as debian goes |
| 12:50.38 | rdz | sajes, but how can i tell, whether i have 4965AG or 4965AGN? |
| 12:50.52 | whazilla_ | RR DU -sm |
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| 12:50.59 | whazilla_ | RRC DU -sm |
| 12:51.00 | sajes | rdz: I don't think there is a 4965AG. |
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| 12:51.06 | rdz | sajes, aha.. thanks |
| 12:51.48 | Zvpun | Is there a log for calls to aptitude upgrade? |
| 12:51.49 | jolelion | troubled: yes it is untrusted but after install, all packages will be trusted even jolelion_repository-keyring |
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| 12:52.31 | troubled | Zvpun: bit of a hack, but you could just look at the package dir create dates and see what was updated in the last 24 hours or something |
| 12:52.59 | troubled | something like: find /var/lib/dpkg/ -type f -mtime -1 -ls |
| 12:53.11 | Zvpun | troubled: thanks. |
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| 12:53.23 | EasyTUX | give up for flashplayer10, installed GLIB.2_4 (usr local) symlinked cmov and ALL segfalting back (thanks to graphical file manager)... :( |
| 12:53.30 | troubled | -2 would be 24 hours, -3 36hours etc |
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| 12:54.25 | troubled | jolelion: that would be true if your package were to add itself during the package post install scripts to apt-key sure, if thats what you are asking |
| 12:54.52 | yacko | anyone around to help me with my wifi issue ? |
| 12:54.56 | troubled | you had best make sure they verify the fingerprint on that package though before they blindly install something though |
| 12:55.30 | EasyTUX | *all segfaulting except graphical interface... eheh. Hopefully... |
| 12:56.23 | yacko | how do i setup static ip for the wlan0 |
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| 12:57.24 | troubled | yacko: general syntax for any network device would be like: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 12:57.59 | troubled | yacko: thats fine for quick tests, but in debian you ultimately would want to put it into /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 12:58.49 | Titan8990 | can be shortened to cidr notation: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1/24 up |
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| 12:58.53 | yacko | troubled: yes.. i have to setup a static ip in /etc/network/interface for my wifi connection |
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| 12:59.13 | troubled | Titan8990: cool, nice to know |
| 12:59.47 | troubled | yacko: ah, well once its setup there its not ifconfig ...., its "ifup ethnamehere" |
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| 13:00.27 | yacko | troubled: when i do that it says interface eth1 already configured |
| 13:00.33 | Zvpun | troubled: is /dev/fuse created by something in /etc/udev? I use grep -Ri fuse /etc/udev but found none. |
| 13:00.47 | pflanze | Why would squashfs give me "not found" when trying to access a file that's part of a directory? |
| 13:00.47 | hark | Zvpun: modprobe fuse |
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| 13:01.10 | Zvpun | hark: fuse is mounted as of "lsmod | grep fuse" |
| 13:01.19 | hark | Zvpun: why are you grepping/ |
| 13:01.41 | troubled | Zvpun: permissions.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" |
| 13:02.05 | hark | Zvpun: do you mean /dev/fuse? |
| 13:02.09 | Zvpun | troubled: did grep bring that up for you? |
| 13:02.10 | troubled | seems I have a fuse entry here (well technically 2, one in that file, and another verson in the .d directory) |
| 13:02.17 | troubled | yes |
| 13:03.06 | troubled | Zvpun: im in etch though, I cant speak for stable, testing or unstable |
| 13:03.33 | g00se | Can i use objdump or nm to get function prototypes? |
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| 13:05.07 | troubled | wouldnt that require debugging info? |
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| 13:07.06 | Zvpun__ | troubled: what package does your entry belong to? |
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| 13:07.25 | yacko | troubled: http://pastebin.com/m6da5ebc8 thats how my settings are as of now.. can you please check and tell me if thy are correct |
| 13:07.42 | silidan | how can i find out what options i can set for a given module ? |
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| 13:08.06 | rvsjoen | silidan: modinfo |
| 13:08.08 | troubled | Zvpun__: the "udev" package |
| 13:08.35 | Zvpun__ | troubled: what version of udev you have installed? today my udev changed from 0.141-2 to 146-5 |
| 13:08.43 | silidan | dont have modinfo where is it in? |
| 13:09.17 | rvsjoen | its in the module-init-tools package, and it it is /sbin/modinfo |
| 13:09.26 | silidan | o well.... my bad... need sudo for modinfo |
| 13:09.32 | troubled | yacko: the static stuff looks okay, but I dont do wifi so I couldnt tell you if that works under the "static" section of definitions |
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| 13:09.47 | rvsjoen | silidan: you dont need sudo, but sbin is probanly not in your path |
| 13:09.52 | yacko | hmmm |
| 13:10.23 | silidan | rvsjoen: ok thanks |
| 13:10.32 | troubled | Zvpun__: you are running sid? |
| 13:10.43 | Zvpun__ | troubled: I run testing, is that sid? |
| 13:10.59 | troubled | oh wait, testing has that ver too nm |
| 13:11.08 | troubled | no, sid would be called unstable |
| 13:11.10 | Zvpun__ | troubled: whats your version? |
| 13:11.31 | troubled | 0.105-4etch1 |
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| 13:12.14 | troubled | Zvpun__: guess they call it testing for a reason eh? :) |
| 13:12.44 | silidan | can i set module options while the module is running? |
| 13:13.22 | troubled | Zvpun__: if this helps, the two missing values I have that you seem to be missing are: permissions.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" and rules.d/020_permissions.rules:KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse" |
| 13:13.23 | rvsjoen | no |
| 13:13.37 | Zvpun__ | troubled: in what file? |
| 13:13.49 | yacko | troubled: i am facing problems with my wired connection also.. |
| 13:14.08 | troubled | Zvpun__: while in /etc/udev/, permissions.rules and ./rules.d/020_permissions.rules respectively |
| 13:14.14 | mjt | is there a way to set beep pitch/duration in gnome? I used to have `xset bell' stuff in ~/.xsessionrc, that script is used still, but the settings gets overwritten by gnome down the line. |
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| 13:15.31 | yacko | troubled: i dont know why mistake i had done while configuring wifi.. but my eth0 is also not working right now.. is there a easy way to revers everything ? |
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| 13:15.54 | troubled | yacko: put the original file back :) |
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| 13:16.22 | yacko | which original file ? |
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| 13:16.26 | troubled | the one you were supposed to backup in case you messed stuff up ;) |
| 13:16.56 | yacko | interface file ? |
| 13:17.09 | troubled | "interfaces", but yes |
| 13:17.18 | yacko | no i have not |
| 13:17.37 | yacko | how do i fix it now.. i dont want to reinstall |
| 13:17.52 | troubled | !8ball is all hope lost for yacko? |
| 13:17.52 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 13:18.32 | troubled | yacko: for your wired connection, was it static or dhcp? and what eth name, eth0? |
| 13:18.45 | yacko | static |
| 13:18.57 | yacko | eth0 |
| 13:19.27 | troubled | just use the same entries you pastebin'd but take out the 2 wifi lines and change the ips to be what they used to be |
| 13:19.43 | yacko | ok |
| 13:19.59 | yacko | let me try and come back |
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| 13:33.47 | caraconan | Hi. When I try to install Squeeze amd64 (or lenny 32 bit) the system doesn't find the appropiate sata hd controller (incredible, at least for me). I installed ubuntu, and that's the lspci -vv output: http://pastebin.com/m3ba71eb9 |
| 13:33.55 | caraconan | Whats the controller? I don't find it |
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| 13:35.01 | caraconan | In other words: the ubuntu server cd install was able to find the hdd, debian not |
| 13:35.12 | caraconan | and of course I would like to install debian... |
| 13:35.21 | jelly | caraconan: both 00:1f.2 and 00:1f.5 mention SATA. |
| 13:35.38 | mjt | on-chip ahci and jmicron |
| 13:35.46 | caraconan | But (I don't know) how could I find the kernel module? |
| 13:35.46 | valdyn | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) |
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| 13:35.58 | valdyn | caraconan: switch that controller to ahci mode in your bios |
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| 13:36.12 | jelly | caraconan: did you configure it in the bios to use "native" or "ahci"? |
| 13:36.19 | valdyn | caraconan: and the other one too |
| 13:36.20 | caraconan | No, I don't |
| 13:36.29 | caraconan | I would try now. Tnaks a lot |
| 13:36.43 | jelly | notes 2.6.31 doesn't do well with ahci on _his_ ICH9 machine |
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| 13:37.01 | jelly | er, ICH10 |
| 13:37.18 | mjt | does it do any well with cripped-down debian kernel? |
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| 13:38.24 | jolelion | troubled: as you said Ive done apt-get source debian-keyring, and modified it to make my own package, now how I build the package ? |
| 13:38.56 | EasyTUX | What's the last stable release ? |
| 13:39.08 | Titan8990 | !lennny |
| 13:39.16 | mjt | jolelion: out of curiocity, why? |
| 13:39.41 | EasyTUX | eh dpkg: bug |
| 13:39.56 | troubled | jolelion: man dh_builddeb perhaps? |
| 13:40.31 | caraconan | Excuse me, in what part of the BIOS should I find the option to change? I didn't found it |
| 13:40.34 | helo_ | dpkg: firefox3.6 |
| 13:40.35 | dpkg | helo_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:40.36 | helo_ | dpkg: firefox3.5 |
| 13:40.36 | dpkg | helo_: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:42.04 | EasyTUX | Titan8990: Lenny has a decent GLIBC.2_4 ? |
| 13:42.10 | EasyTUX | !lenny |
| 13:42.10 | dpkg | lenny is probably the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.3>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 13:42.27 | jelly | judd: versions libc6 |
| 13:42.27 | judd | jelly: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.9-27 |
| 13:42.41 | jelly | EasyTUX: apparently lenny has 2.7 |
| 13:43.04 | EasyTUX | flash10 and all shit works ? |
| 13:43.24 | mjt | all shit? |
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| 13:43.35 | jelly | EasyTUX: in a 32bit installation yes. |
| 13:43.39 | Zvpun__ | troubled: thanks for your help. I found a solution. The cause of the problem was a change in udev polocy and fuse-utils not being updated up to now althoug a patch is already submitted. |
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| 13:44.01 | jelly | !blame udev |
| 13:44.02 | dpkg | blames Blackshark and udev for the end of culture as we know it |
| 13:44.02 | EasyTUX | jelly: flash10 and all libflash videos codecs works/can be made working ? |
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| 13:44.33 | troubled | Zvpun__: ah, so it was just a forgotten udev entry after all? well glad you got her solved, have fun |
| 13:44.40 | EasyTUX | mjt: all libflash videos codecs (shits) works/can be made working ? |
| 13:44.48 | jelly | EasyTUX: I have no idea how to test "all libflash video codecs". |
| 13:45.01 | mjt | ditto |
| 13:45.11 | jelly | EasyTUX: but Adobe Flash Plugin 10 works. FWIW. |
| 13:45.23 | EasyTUX | !FWIW |
| 13:45.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 13:45.32 | EasyTUX | eh! |
| 13:45.34 | Zvpun__ | troubled: well its not realy solved until the bug in fuse-utils is fixed. And the rule was not forgotten but removed due to policy. |
| 13:45.41 | jelly | !tias |
| 13:45.41 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See"... or what you could have done first. |
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| 13:46.15 | EasyTUX | argh... |
| 13:46.20 | jelly | hates when he forgets a factoid has extra rudeness embedded |
| 13:46.28 | EasyTUX | died with 4.0r5 |
| 13:46.28 | troubled | Zvpun__: ahh, guess I have something fun to look forward to :) Im guessing now they just default everything to root or whatever and then each .deb is responsible for adding udev rules on a per app basis? |
| 13:46.38 | jelly | dpkg: tias =~ s/... or what you could have done first// |
| 13:46.38 | dpkg | jelly: too drastic change of factoid. |
| 13:46.38 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 13:47.02 | mjt | !tias |
| 13:47.02 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 13:47.10 | jelly | dpkg: I'm drastic all over baby. |
| 13:47.11 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, jelly |
| 13:47.20 | themill | jelly: it used to read "or what you *should* have done first" ... |
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| 13:47.53 | jelly | themill: there's no excuse for gratuitous rudeness. |
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| 13:49.14 | themill | jelly: most of the time, "what you should have done first" is quite justified. Just often enough it's not... last time I was cleaning things up, "could" seemed to be a reasonable compromise. |
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| 13:51.13 | troubled | jelly: the resident factoid nazi I take it? :) |
| 13:51.17 | jelly | themill: isn't it quite obvious, if you want to point someone to tias, for them to... tias? They _obviously_ didn't think of it first, so there's no need to rub the nose in it |
| 13:51.37 | troubled | glad to see someone keeping the db clean though |
| 13:51.57 | helo_ | wonders which of chromium and firefox3.5 is better with lenny |
| 13:52.18 | jelly | helo_: tias :-D |
| 13:52.30 | themill | jelly: quite often a gentle reminder that people are permitted to think for themselves is a good thing. |
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| 13:53.08 | jelly | themill: the previous incarnation was far from gentle, imho |
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| 13:59.26 | EasyTUX | Lenny for download place, I guess it's better to install again whole stuff instead of trying an hypothetic upgrade from 4.0r5 to Lenny neh ? |
| 13:59.28 | themill | jelly: very true. (I was just saying that it used to be much much ruder again) |
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| 14:00.01 | jelly | EasyTUX: Debian upgrades work. |
| 14:00.18 | jelly | !+tell EasyTUX -about etch->lenny |
| 14:00.20 | dpkg | told EasyTUX about etch->lenny. |
| 14:00.41 | sweetandy | I have emacs22 installed via apt, and emacs23 installed via CVS/source into the /usr/local directories. Now, when I install special modes via apt, it only ends up installed for emacs22. Is there a way to install apt packages for /local/ directories, or do I have to do this by hand? |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | EasyTUX: this is pretty much _the_ reason I'm using debian ;-) |
| 14:00.51 | sweetandy | I know dpkg -L can tell me what files go where, but is there an easier way? |
| 14:00.54 | EasyTUX | jelly: I'm ignoring MSGS... |
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| 14:01.10 | EasyTUX | !etch->lenny |
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| 14:01.19 | EasyTUX | err |
| 14:01.20 | jelly | EasyTUX: sucks to be you. unignore them, then do /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 14:01.21 | themill | EasyTUX: so fix your client |
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| 14:01.52 | jelly | (or unignore dpkg only) |
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| 14:02.05 | dkay | hello, debian# can someone tell me for what syslogd should be installed? |
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| 14:02.17 | jelly | for... logging? :-) |
| 14:02.45 | dkay | aeh, i have all that log files, i dont need syslogd or? what does syslogd handle for me? |
| 14:02.47 | EasyTUX | Ok. |
| 14:02.53 | dkay | havent found an answere |
| 14:02.53 | jelly | dkay: can you be more specific or try reformulating the question? |
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| 14:03.12 | troubled | sweetandy: think yer pretty much stuck doing /local/ stuff by hand (with cp I suppose depending on what exactly you are missing and the app) |
| 14:03.19 | dkay | what exactly does syslogd logging? |
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| 14:03.45 | sweetandy | troubled: okay, thanks, just what I needed to know |
| 14:03.53 | sweetandy | I'll get crackin'. Just want to write inform in emacs |
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| 14:04.03 | jelly | dkay: it manages logs from many services (daemons) |
| 14:04.06 | dkay | jelly, havent found an explantion on the www |
| 14:04.22 | dkay | jelly, is it required? |
| 14:04.26 | troubled | sweetandy: the only gotcha in general I can think of with just copying files to /local/ installs would be if they had hard coded paths in them though, but I cant speak for emacs |
| 14:04.34 | dkay | i got all my logfiles without syslogd or not!?! |
| 14:04.42 | dkay | where is the advantage! |
| 14:04.49 | module000 | where is the punctuation |
| 14:05.02 | troubled | dkay: syslogd is what logs files for you, is that what you are asking? |
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| 14:05.23 | radoe | sweetandy: autoinstallation of elisp packages works only with debian emacsen packages. If you can wait a few days, I'm working on a backport of emacs23 which shall be made available on bpo. The packages are in review currently. |
| 14:05.23 | module000 | dkay: without syslogd, you have no /var/log/useful_files |
| 14:05.30 | dkay | syslogd logs files XD |
| 14:05.41 | troubled | dkay: although, some apps can log manually to /var/log on their own without using syslog facilities |
| 14:05.48 | troubled | ie: apache |
| 14:05.54 | EasyTUX | dpkgg entry etch->lenny seems out... |
| 14:06.03 | jelly | dkay: depends on the services you're running. Most services on Debian use syslog by default, so you need it if you want to see their logs. ssh, mail servers, kernel, are among those. |
| 14:06.26 | dkay | well, syslogd! never used it, i thought all the logfiles will be created from the application itselfs. |
| 14:06.26 | jelly | dkay: what is your native language? |
| 14:06.34 | EasyTUX | dpkg: etch->lenny. |
| 14:06.34 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 14:06.42 | EasyTUX | eh. |
| 14:06.46 | _Trinity_ | hello world! |
| 14:06.48 | jandro | I just installed debian squeeze on a macbook pro 3.1. Does anyone know if the mactel-linux kernel patch is a necesary thing? or is it just an outdated patch? |
| 14:06.55 | jelly | dkay: or rather, you probably used it but didn't know |
| 14:07.33 | dkay | well, but okay, syslogd should be fine with it enabled. need to read something about it |
| 14:07.35 | dkay | thanks all |
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| 14:08.18 | troubled | dkay: think of syslogd as providing a logging service. apps using the "api" are able to specify things like important (WARN, CRIT etc) and a facility (kern, daemon, mail etc). syslogd can then do different stuff depending on those values |
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| 14:09.36 | troubled | s/important/importance/ |
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| 14:11.56 | dkay | okay, thanks |
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| 14:13.17 | lhunath | how do I install maven2 from sid? |
| 14:13.32 | chellomere | lhunath, on ...? |
| 14:14.12 | lhunath | lenny. |
| 14:14.37 | chellomere | !tell lhunath about backport |
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| 14:14.40 | lhunath | is it as simple as adding a deb repo in sources? |
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| 14:14.51 | chellomere | no, that will likely break your system. |
| 14:14.59 | lhunath | good thing I asked. |
| 14:15.27 | chellomere | !tell lhunath about ssb |
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| 14:15.38 | dkay | troubled, nntp and syslogd works together? i have opend port upd 514 for ntp and iptables -L says it is for syslogd! |
| 14:15.53 | dkay | udp* |
| 14:15.58 | pistache | i see "Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" in my syslog. I removed my T0:23:repsawn line in inittab, but I still see these messages. Do I need to reboot the machine ? |
| 14:16.11 | pistache | If yes, is there anyway to fix this problem without rebooting the machine ? |
| 14:16.34 | troubled | dkay: the version I have in etch uses udp for logging, but I think newer versions may use tcp now, not sure |
| 14:17.09 | troubled | dkay: you can enable other linux boxes to log their syslog's to a central machine using that port |
| 14:17.10 | dkay | but 514 is for nntp ? |
| 14:17.16 | troubled | sec |
| 14:17.35 | troubled | ya, udp port 514 is for syslog |
| 14:17.57 | dkay | ey, i have the information 514 is for nntp |
| 14:18.08 | dkay | was it 113 nntp? need to look further |
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| 14:18.32 | troubled | dkay: oh? "grep 514/udp /etc/services" |
| 14:19.12 | dkay | it is syslog yes |
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| 14:19.57 | dkay | ah, i wasnt carefully, it is 119, thanks |
| 14:20.04 | dkay | 119 for nntp |
| 14:20.19 | troubled | pistache: did you "init q" yet? |
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| 14:23.01 | EasyTUX | 5.0.3 means lenny ? |
| 14:23.14 | jelly | EasyTUX: yes. |
| 14:23.20 | cafaro | I added a user by: adduser user, how do I change permissions of the entire /home/user folder, so the user can read/write etc. ? |
| 14:23.27 | EasyTUX | jelly: Ok thanks. |
| 14:23.45 | d0ubleclick | cafaro: chown? |
| 14:23.46 | valdyn | cafaro: why would that be necessary? |
| 14:24.24 | cafaro | right now, I can't use mkdir, i get permission denied. |
| 14:24.29 | d0ubleclick | cafaro: chown -R user:group /home/user |
| 14:24.30 | cafaro | let me try chown |
| 14:24.35 | cafaro | ok thanks |
| 14:24.54 | troubled | im curious why the perms werent set on the dir too |
| 14:25.16 | d0ubleclick | cafaro: np, i hope that is what you're trying to do... |
| 14:25.46 | d0ubleclick | troubled: maybe the folder existed already... |
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| 14:26.09 | troubled | d0ubleclick: possible I guess |
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| 14:28.38 | _echa | hi, is there a way of forcing apt to install without removing conflicts? |
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| 14:29.04 | _echa | e.g. apt-get install packageX --force-yes --no-remove |
| 14:29.10 | _echa | except that doesn't work :-( |
| 14:29.29 | troubled | _echa: good question, try put the conflict on hold perhaps? |
| 14:29.30 | Titan8990 | it would be wise not to install package that conflict |
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| 14:29.43 | _echa | it's ok, it shouldn't overwrite |
| 14:29.49 | blendmaster1024 | does anybody know how tu unpack a cpio archive? ..i don't know anything about cpio other than that it exists |
| 14:29.50 | yang | I am getting this output after "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" (is it safe to reboot) - http://pastebin.ca/1629825 |
| 14:29.54 | troubled | I kinda agree with Titan8990 on that one though. but if you know best I guess |
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| 14:30.30 | _echa | yeah, it's the dmsetup / devicekit-disks issue in sid |
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| 14:31.01 | _echa | troubled: how do i put a conflict on hold? |
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| 14:31.35 | AcTiVaTe | blendmaster1024: The easy way is to start midnight commander and navigate to the file and press enter ;) |
| 14:31.46 | sebo | ::Dd |
| 14:31.48 | blendmaster1024 | AcTiVaTe: i don't have midnight commander |
| 14:31.51 | AcTiVaTe | blendmaster1024: That will browse it like any archive |
| 14:31.54 | AcTiVaTe | blendmaster1024: So install it? |
| 14:32.02 | blendmaster1024 | nah, i got cpio to unpack it |
| 14:32.04 | blendmaster1024 | :) |
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| 14:32.06 | troubled | _echa: think its like: echo "pkgname hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 14:32.27 | AcTiVaTe | Why would you not want mc lol |
| 14:32.39 | mns___ | I have a GPL Java program, distributed in a jar file. The way to run it is using "java -jar /path/to/prog-name.jar". It is not available as a deb and is not in the repositories. I'd like to set it up as a deb. How would I go about doing it ? Are there other applications that I can look at and follow as examples ? |
| 14:32.57 | troubled | _echa: im guessing it may just not let you install the new app since its a conflict, but I have no idea when you toss some force options in there. lemmie know would ya? :) |
| 14:33.11 | _echa | troubled: i'll try |
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| 14:33.33 | chellomere | mns___, read the new maintainer guide. and look at source packages of java stuff in debian. |
| 14:33.54 | _echa | troubled: at the moment, i get a choice of either - my data (on dmcrypt partition), or GNOME. Awesome. |
| 14:34.04 | AcTiVaTe | mns___: Vuze is also a java app, might be a good one to look at |
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| 14:34.15 | troubled | yang: good question, looks almost like it succeeded though doesnt it. not sure i like the sound of that "embedding wont be possible" part though |
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| 14:34.24 | blendmaster1024 | dpkg, eat me |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | eats blendmaster1024, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
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| 14:34.36 | troubled | _echa: I dont know, gnome is pretty tempting :) |
| 14:34.52 | cowgarden | hi, any is there browser that will open a 9MB html without freezing? |
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| 14:35.10 | _echa | troubled: yeah, doesn't work that great when it can't write to a home partition though! |
| 14:35.26 | AcTiVaTe | cowgarden: Locally ? |
| 14:35.37 | cowgarden | AcTiVaTe, yes |
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| 14:35.38 | troubled | cowgarden: links or lynxs perhaps? |
| 14:35.44 | _echa | elinks ftw |
| 14:35.58 | cowgarden | trouble_, I'll try that |
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| 14:36.02 | mns___ | AcTiVaTe, chellomere thanks. I'll look into both. |
| 14:36.03 | _echa | wget? |
| 14:36.03 | troubled | isnt elinks just links + ssl? |
| 14:36.03 | cowgarden | _echa, what is elinks about? |
| 14:36.04 | AcTiVaTe | I don't see the problem. I have viewed numerous foto galleries with non scaled images. And they must have been 10Mb in total |
| 14:36.28 | _echa | elinks is links/lynx but supercoolified |
| 14:36.40 | cowgarden | AcTiVaTe, 9MB html + images (which should be not tooo imense in weight) |
| 14:36.41 | chellomere | AcTiVaTe, the images are not stored in the html code |
| 14:36.59 | _echa | AcTiVaTe is right, there is something wrong with your iceweasel as it should work just fine |
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| 14:37.02 | troubled | cowgarden: anyways, if the data in that 9mb file is text and all that is important, I suppose you can always just pop it through some awk/sed/perl magic and strip out just the important stuff and then use "less" |
| 14:37.37 | cowgarden | troubled in fact I want the images too :) |
| 14:37.54 | _echa | you can download the images in elinks and view them later |
| 14:37.55 | troubled | cowgarden: the images are just html links in that file though |
| 14:38.27 | troubled | cowgarden: try wget I guess and it will put everything into a nice neat dir for you (with the right options) |
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| 14:39.48 | cowgarden | troubled It's messier than you think I fear :) (images loaded via CSS, don't even know how to save them locally automatically) |
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| 14:40.41 | troubled | ah, well stuff loaded via css probably wont be downloaded. at least im not aware of any such option but you never know :) |
| 14:40.52 | _echa | troubled: "The following held packages will be changed: cryptsetup dmsetup" using apt-get install evolution --force-yes |
| 14:41.19 | _echa | if i download the package files, can't i use dpkg --force-conflicts? |
| 14:41.21 | troubled | worst case, just parse out the css stuff and run that through sed/awk/perl/etc and pick out the urls and wget those seperately |
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| 14:41.39 | _echa | any way to do this using apt? |
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| 14:41.48 | troubled | _echa: no clue, I never force stuff on my systems :) |
| 14:42.03 | dirkD | does someone here use Snort on Debian? |
| 14:42.16 | _echa | troubled: my systems are lucky if they get something that _isn't_ forced |
| 14:42.29 | cowgarden | troubled, thx so far :) |
| 14:42.29 | troubled | _echa: I assume that luks will definetly break if you upgrade it? |
| 14:43.07 | _echa | troubled: it's not the upgrade i'm worried about. I am on latest everything |
| 14:43.44 | troubled | then why not just upgrade the conflicts? |
| 14:43.59 | _echa | troubled: ? |
| 14:44.11 | _echa | troubled: it's all upgraded |
| 14:44.30 | streuner | whats the name of the server which has old packages? |
| 14:44.44 | petemc | archive.debian.org |
| 14:44.45 | d1b | archive ? |
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| 14:44.48 | troubled | _echa: sorry, i must be misreading something here |
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| 14:45.12 | streuner | petemc: nah, i mean old packages, older versions of debs |
| 14:45.27 | _echa | troubled: there are conflicts with dmsetup and devicekit-disks, which are required for encrypted partitions and GNOME respectively |
| 14:45.30 | petemc | streuner: snapshot.debian.net , its no longer updated |
| 14:45.34 | d1b | streuner: *that* site |
| 14:45.35 | petemc | and shits missing |
| 14:45.43 | _echa | troubled: i just want to force that shit in there |
| 14:45.44 | d1b | archive.debian.org |
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| 14:46.41 | troubled | _echa: ah, why does devicekits-disks conflict? does it provide dmsetup by chance? |
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| 14:47.16 | _echa | troubled: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550434 |
| 14:47.25 | AcTiVaTe | cowgarden: httrack seems to do what you want I think. Might have some limitations too. http://www.httrack.com/ |
| 14:47.40 | streuner | hm, bad luck, thanks |
| 14:48.04 | AcTiVaTe | cowgarden: Atleast it can also get images from stylesheets |
| 14:48.32 | troubled | _echa: ouch, lvm as well I see |
| 14:48.40 | _echa | troubled: yes |
| 14:49.20 | _echa | troubled: i badly need evolution back |
| 14:49.28 | cowgarden | AcTiVaTe, sounds cool :) but for now I'll search something to display it proppely :) |
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| 14:50.24 | _echa | troubled: i'm thinking to install gnome, accept the removals then use dpkg -i --force-conflicts on the package files from packages.debian.org |
| 14:50.49 | _echa | troubled: the .debs of dmsetup and cryptsetup specifically |
| 14:51.07 | _echa | troubled: not sure if this will work though |
| 14:51.24 | EasyTUX | A lenny install should be complete after installing base DVD then updating with update DVD ?... (I don't speak of security villa stuff...) |
| 14:51.46 | _echa | troubled: and i guess any time after that i run apt it will want to remove them again |
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| 14:52.35 | themill | EasyTUX: if you installed from the 5.0.3 dvd then you don't need to use the 5.0.2->5.0.3 update dvd |
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| 14:53.08 | EasyTUX | Oh sorry I didn't mention: I'm installing ia64 version... |
| 14:53.35 | Thrae | EasyTUX: You're installing on an Itanium processor? |
| 14:53.59 | jelly | !ia64 |
| 14:53.59 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 14:54.31 | EasyTUX | themill: all dvd are stamped 5.0.3... |
| 14:54.53 | jelly | EasyTUX: you probably wanted amd64, not ia64. |
| 14:54.53 | troubled | _echa: man, what a mess that bug makes heh. not sure what to tell you other than to swap your filesystems around so they dont use luks or lvm and then install evolution |
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| 14:55.42 | themill | EasyTUX: so what do you think the update dvd might update you from and to? |
| 14:56.04 | _echa | troubled: yes, i think i'll have to back up everything to external disk and rebuild sid from scratch without encryption |
| 14:56.07 | troubled | _echa: some of the underlying issues they are talking about in the bugs look like they need to change stuff in udev, mdamd, lvm, cryptsetup etc. just to satisfy the information that evolution needs to run from that dk-disks or something |
| 14:56.25 | troubled | hard to take it all in one sitting either way :) |
| 14:56.45 | EasyTUX | Thrae: I have QEMU64 2.3Ghz... upon Q6600 Quad CPU 2.4G... |
| 14:57.07 | troubled | _echa: well, if you got a boot cd, you can probably drop down to a shell and manage all that jazz yourself and still preserve the install (assuming you got the drive space handy) |
| 14:57.18 | Thrae | EasyTUX: Right, so amd64 not ia64. |
| 14:57.30 | _echa | troubled: yes, actually the OS partition rebuild shouldn't be required |
| 14:57.44 | _echa | troubled: just formatting /home |
| 14:58.00 | _Trinity_ | anyone know when security updates for Squeeze will begin? |
| 14:58.09 | troubled | aye. not as fast as a reinstall i would bet, but a fun learning experience that will keep you up on your cli for sure :) |
| 14:58.15 | EasyTUX | Thrae: Damnit I'm downloading wrong iso... |
| 14:58.17 | _echa | troubled: unfortunately there are several things in sid that i need, can't go back to lenny |
| 14:58.22 | troubled | oh just /home? should be easy enough then |
| 14:58.43 | EasyTUX | Thrae: Jelly: Thanks |
| 14:58.52 | _echa | troubled: yes, shouldn't be too bad although losing encryption is... i work on government projects |
| 14:59.17 | _echa | troubled: will just have to offload sensitive data and not store any until this is fixed |
| 14:59.21 | hark | _Trinity_: probably when it's frozen |
| 14:59.26 | themill | _Trinity_: probably not until the end of the year since the current talk is of a freeze in March. Testing-security is only ever best effort though in any case. |
| 14:59.34 | troubled | _echa: could be a while :) |
| 14:59.57 | troubled | looks like the devs are just at the pointing fingers stage of resolving that |
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| 15:00.07 | _Trinity_ | so there isn't much of a difference if I updgrade to testing now or later |
| 15:00.10 | _echa | troubled: yes, might have to create a separate truecrypt partition or something. that shouldn't be affected |
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| 15:00.24 | themill | _Trinity_: well, if you want security support, run stable or oldstable. |
| 15:00.40 | jelly | or be your own security support :-| |
| 15:01.06 | troubled | _echa: im not 100% sure on truecrypt in linux, but last time i fiddled with it, I could have sworn it just used dm devices too |
| 15:01.25 | _echa | troubled: ok, GnuPG then! |
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| 15:01.29 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 15:01.31 | cowgarden | AcTiVaTe, it failed with the css images, but still an intresting tool! |
| 15:01.31 | troubled | :) |
| 15:01.54 | troubled | _echa: you could probably get away with cryptoloop |
| 15:02.04 | _echa | troubled: i'll look into it |
| 15:02.09 | _Trinity_ | themill: but I gather that buyg found in those are never fixed and I imagine that reporting on bugs in testing gives me a chance to assure the sofware that matter to me gets fixed for when testing becomes stable. Am I correct in this assumption? |
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| 15:02.25 | cr3rzemjest | is there a package that would automatically write in sources.list correct, fastest(nearest) list of servers ? |
| 15:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | Any idea why grub would fail to time out on reboots? |
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| 15:02.48 | troubled | _echa: same concept as truecrypt, using a loopback filesystem thats encrypted that you mount somewhere when you need it |
| 15:02.49 | hark | cr3rzemjest: apt-spy or netselect-apt |
| 15:02.58 | themill | _Trinity_: if you've got the time, patience and skills to help out testing out "testing", then sure, go for it. Just strap yourself in for a bumpy ride at times. |
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| 15:03.44 | _echa | troubled: i think i played with it a few years ago |
| 15:04.00 | cr3rzemjest | hark: thx |
| 15:04.02 | EasyTUX | Shit... "amd64" for an intel ship... |
| 15:04.16 | troubled | _echa: not sure about lenny and up, but in etch I think for cryptoloop you may need to use m-a |
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| 15:04.21 | cr3rzemjest | i'm just wondering why isn't this installed by default? isn't that useful for average user? |
| 15:04.41 | hark | EasyTUX: you can always use i386 ;) |
| 15:04.48 | _echa | trobled: i'm going to try this dkpg -i --force-conflicts first |
| 15:05.02 | troubled | famous last words? |
| 15:05.12 | _echa | troubled: probably. |
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| 15:05.50 | crashanddie_ | Hey guys, I think I borked my debian install |
| 15:06.06 | _echa | crashanddie_: sweet, i'm about to do the same thing |
| 15:06.27 | troubled | hold on, lemmie fire up a vm debian and kill it too |
| 15:06.28 | crashanddie_ | I was trying to get it to work with my active directory (for auth), but after a few failed attempts, and needing to use the box, I decided to go back to normal pam_unix |
| 15:06.59 | cr3rzemjest | wow, at last something is being done automatically, i didn't even how to use any options |
| 15:07.00 | _echa | FLASHB0RK - the new craze hitting free software communities everywhere! |
| 15:07.02 | crashanddie_ | sadly, now, after rebooting, no matter which username I use I get "login incorrect", even for root |
| 15:07.04 | troubled | oh wow, linux logins via pam->ad? sounds like fun |
| 15:07.14 | loiseau | Hi |
| 15:07.27 | loiseau | I currently have an issue with IPTABLES |
| 15:07.28 | troubled | crashanddie_: in grub, change it to boot /bin/bash for the init? |
| 15:07.43 | loiseau | IPTABLES + NAT + PREROUTING |
| 15:08.10 | crashanddie_ | troubled: why would I need to change anything about the boot sequence considering it worked before, it's obviously just something about the /etc/pam.d files or something |
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| 15:08.27 | troubled | crashanddie_: im just telling you how you can get a shell to fix it |
| 15:08.43 | crashanddie_ | troubled: oh, getting a shell is no issue, debian recovery, or single user mode, etc |
| 15:08.52 | troubled | init=/bin/bash outta do it if you reboot and hit the "e" key in grub I think it is |
| 15:08.57 | troubled | oh, my bad then |
| 15:09.06 | EasyTUX | From five lenny amd64 DVD iso what should I need basically (except DVD1 and UpdateDVD...) , nothing else ? |
| 15:09.10 | cr3rzemjest | is there any difference if i specify "Lenny" (i mean debian 5.0) in sources.list, or if it's just stable main contrib ? |
| 15:09.11 | troubled | sorry, thought single still prompted for a password |
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| 15:09.41 | crashanddie_ | troubled: the thing is, after I'm in the system through recovery, how do I get my pam to work again? |
| 15:09.56 | estentor | handdie: could you use a live so |
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| 15:09.57 | themill | EasyTUX: you only need the netinst. You don't need any of the dvds. And if you're doing a fresh install, you don't need the update dvd. Didn't we just go through this? |
| 15:10.20 | troubled | crashanddie_: well, my guess would to be to restore the original pam.d files |
| 15:10.32 | crashanddie_ | original? :-* |
| 15:10.41 | themill | cr3rzemjest: specifying "lenny" is preferred over "stable". /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 15:10.54 | EasyTUX | themill: I dunno, though I may didn't read all... Nevermind OK, thanks... |
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| 15:11.52 | estentor | crashanddie: could you use a live cd to recover the system? |
| 15:12.13 | cr3rzemjest | themill: what would happen if i e.g. had lenny installed and used etch or sarge? |
| 15:12.22 | crashanddie_ | estentor: I am already in my system, no problem there |
| 15:12.35 | cr3rzemjest | :P |
| 15:12.37 | crashanddie_ | estentor: I'm just trying to figure out the causes of *why* it doesn't want to let me in, when booting normally |
| 15:13.03 | troubled | crashanddie_: might be able to use some dpkg-fu and get it to reinstall the originals. but if you got a shell you should be able to manually cp some known working copies for the /etc/pam.d/login and others back from somewhere |
| 15:13.03 | themill | cr3rzemjest: nothing much, most likely. You might accidentally install a couple of packages that had been removed from debian like Apache 1.3. |
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| 15:13.35 | crashanddie_ | troubled: back from where, exactly? I'm not really big on backups, this was just a (failed) hack |
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| 15:14.40 | emaia | \quit |
| 15:14.43 | troubled | !confmiss |
| 15:14.44 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 15:16.07 | troubled | crashanddie_: voodoo like that might help perhaps? im guessing that the pam.d files would be considered modified and thus held on to if you did a reinstall |
| 15:16.07 | crashanddie_ | troubled: in /etc/nsswitch.conf (or something like that), do you have "compat", or "files compat" in passwd:/group:/shadow: ? |
| 15:16.08 | troubled | just compat |
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| 15:16.08 | cr3rzemjest | i'm starting to like debian despite the fact there is so much information and it requires much more time compared to windows |
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| 15:16.49 | troubled | yes, debian is like getting a whole Home Depot in a box and letting you build your own mansion :) |
| 15:16.58 | crashanddie_ | try LFS |
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| 15:18.00 | _echa | cr3rzemjest: and then smashing all the walls in because they conflict with debian-mansion-wallpaper |
| 15:19.23 | Rienzilla | haha |
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| 15:19.28 | troubled | crashanddie_: anyways, seems a tad risky, but you _might_ be able to "restore" pam with something like: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libpam-runtime login |
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| 15:19.34 | _echa | my mother told me not to run unstable, but i didn't listen |
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| 15:20.05 | troubled | crashanddie_: I offer no promises with that command borking things even further though :) |
| 15:20.28 | _echa | troubled: oooh nice |
| 15:20.42 | _echa | b0rktastic |
| 15:20.42 | estentor | we never listened to our fathers |
| 15:20.52 | troubled | b0rkalicious |
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| 15:22.09 | troubled | i swear you guys come up with some of the most interesting problems some days |
| 15:22.11 | cr3rzemjest | configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. what now, how do i install libqt3-dev? no such thing in repo |
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| 15:23.36 | cr3rzemjest | wait, there is libqt3-headers |
| 15:23.41 | troubled | cr3rzemjest: in etch I also see a libqt3-headers package if that helps |
| 15:23.41 | basti | i compiled rtorrent (svn version) on xebian (with etch sources - gcc version 3.3.5) but it keeps crushing with this error: ** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082015e0 *** what can i do? |
| 15:23.44 | troubled | nm... |
| 15:23.51 | cr3rzemjest | np :P |
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| 15:24.22 | hark | cr3rzemjest: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 15:24.23 | estentor | cr3rzemjest, your using squeeze?? |
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| 15:24.43 | cr3rzemjest | estentor: no |
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| 15:25.22 | estentor | cr3rzemjest, wichone? |
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| 15:25.38 | cr3rzemjest | estentor: for what? what is this? |
| 15:26.05 | _echa | lol |
| 15:26.11 | troubled | basti: curious, memory check on the system is fine? im guessing some obscure gcc issue |
| 15:26.13 | caraconan | Hi. When I try to install squeeze on a HP 7700 SFF I get a +- 'no disk unit detected. Please select a controller: '. But on same machine I was able to install ubuntu server and launch lspci -vv => http://pastebin.com/m2e6cb8d7 |
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| 15:26.38 | caraconan | Someone told me that I have to change some BIOS value, but I don't find what. Some help? |
| 15:26.44 | estentor | cr3rzemjest, for " what now, how do i install libqt3-dev? " |
| 15:27.20 | troubled | caraconan: AHCI perhaps what they were refering to? |
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| 15:27.44 | caraconan | Yes, but I don't find any reference similar to that on the bios |
| 15:27.45 | sepult | is there any way, to make the xserver-xorg-input-mouse and kbd of |
| 15:27.45 | sepult | squeeze recognize the settings with an older xorg-server ?? |
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| 15:27.59 | Thrae | Does anyone have experience with 6to4 / IPv6 tunneling? My debian router has 3 NICs which support IPv6 addresses, including my external NIC which gets its IPv6 address from Verizon. I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, yet ping6 is giving me "Operation not permitted." |
| 15:28.00 | sepult | they freeze on startup everything |
| 15:28.04 | basti | troubled, will test the ram |
| 15:28.10 | caraconan | Onlys something like 'intel sata emulator', but if I disable it, when reboot no disk found |
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| 15:28.37 | sepult | however when i install the lenny version of |
| 15:28.37 | sepult | xserver-xorg-input-kbd and mouse everything works as expected, i mean |
| 15:28.37 | sepult | i can input then |
| 15:28.57 | cr3rzemjest | also, is there a way to see all dependencies using configure script, so that i don't have to run it 5 times and install them 1 by 1? |
| 15:29.24 | cr3rzemjest | i mean, 1st time it says there are no xorg headers,then qtlib headers ...etc |
| 15:29.34 | troubled | basti: never know. usually gcc spits out sig11 on mem problems though. glibc spitting out something almost sounds like some call using a pointer that isnt pointing at what it expects or something weird, but thats way beyond my knowledge |
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| 15:29.43 | pistache | troubled: why will init q do ? |
| 15:29.58 | nikki93_ | Is a python2.6 package available for debian testing? I'm working on a game that uses Python for scripting, and it uses a few python2.6-specific features (working on it on desktop, 64bit). I want to compile on 32bit too, on the laptop, but here I use debian testing and I can't find a python2.6 |
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| 15:30.01 | troubled | pistache: when you change the inittab, init q will refresh the changes |
| 15:30.09 | pistache | troubled: oh yeah, rtfm just told me that |
| 15:30.11 | pistache | thanks :) |
| 15:30.15 | troubled | np :) |
| 15:30.26 | nikki93_ | I might be able to change it to run on python2.5 too, but I don't see why a python2.6 package is not available.. |
| 15:30.30 | pistache | I was just scared, because this is a big distant server that I don't want to reboot |
| 15:30.43 | pistache | and i know that init is... powerful :) |
| 15:31.00 | troubled | pistache: chances are that if its spawning something too fast its because its not being called right or its crashing after it starts the getty |
| 15:31.23 | troubled | pistache: ya, like if you accidently did "init 1" or "init s" etc :) |
| 15:31.29 | pistache | exactly |
| 15:31.30 | basti | troubled, memtest seems not possible here. there is no real bootmanager installed on xebian (debian on xbox) so i cant start memtest. will test another gcc though. |
| 15:31.49 | themill | nikki93_: python2.6 changes a lot of things so the Debian python people are still trying to get it (and all the other python modules) ready for upload. It's currently in "experimental" but not really ready for widespread use just yet. |
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| 15:32.20 | nikki93_ | themill: Ok, so what do you suggest in my case? Shall i get the experimental deb and use it? |
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| 15:32.34 | zeier | Even when using "make-kpkg --initrd linux-image", a initrd isn't created when installing the package. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:32.51 | troubled | basti: a good mem test can even be to try compile a plain old kernel, maybe with a high -j value to push it harder ram wise? |
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| 15:33.05 | EasyTUX | themill: I don't need update-5.0.3 because it's for already installed 5.0.2 to update/upgrade to 5.0.3. Right this time neh ? |
| 15:33.18 | themill | EasyTUX: correct. |
| 15:33.27 | themill | nikki93_: I always recommend avoiding the latest and greatest features of libraries/languages if you actually want people to be able to run your code. Python2.6 will *never* be in lenny, for example, while python 2.5 is. |
| 15:33.38 | nikki93_ | themill: I see. |
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| 15:33.48 | basti | troubled, will try that after compiling with another gcc. but thx for the hint |
| 15:33.50 | EasyTUX | themil: Fine. Thanks again... |
| 15:34.27 | themill | nikki93_: presumably, you want people to be able to run your code -- depending on things that people don't/won't have is a bit self-defeating then. |
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| 15:35.28 | troubled | zeier: try "buildpackage" instead of linux-image maybe? |
| 15:35.30 | nikki93_ | themill: Well, the python docs recommend "bla".format(bla) instead of "bla" % bla, which is what is causing the problem here. :P |
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| 15:36.06 | zeier | troubled: ohh, didn't know that target. I'll read something about it. Thanks for the hint. |
| 15:36.16 | troubled | zeier: although, if you already built it once, "binary" might save you from cleaning the build first |
| 15:36.33 | themill | nikki93_: yes... python2.6 is a bit of a step away from python2.5. It's designed more for moving people towards 3.x rather than continuing 2.x development. |
| 15:36.37 | troubled | zeier: man make-kpkg and scroll down to the "TARGETS" part |
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| 15:37.05 | troubled | either way, it should create the initrd when you install the package if you do it right |
| 15:37.06 | nikki93_ | themill: You a Python guy? If so, do you suggest I stick with the old way of doing it? |
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| 15:37.40 | sparse | Hello, I have some problems with making netboot on lenny - it seems that the image booting is totally ignoring ip=...eth2 (only the inetrface) and I am not able to select which device should he boot from. With ip=dhcp only it does not even try the one it should. Could anyone help? |
| 15:38.29 | themill | nikki93_: I do a tiny bit of python work -- nothing very serious and I've not been doing python long enough to feel very comfortable with it just yet. I maintain a couple of python modules in the debian archive so I've been fiddling about with py2.6 compatibility recently. |
| 15:38.31 | zeier | thanks troubled, it's running now |
| 15:38.40 | sparse | I have no idea how to solve it |
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| 15:39.20 | troubled | sparse: ip=:::::eth0:dhcp perhaps? |
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| 15:39.46 | themill | nikki93_: #python might be a better place to ask, although like most upstreams, they may tend to be more obsessed with "new and shiny" and not thinking about existing install bases that are never going to change. |
| 15:39.51 | troubled | well, eth2 for eth0 I guess |
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| 15:41.04 | jelly | from future import common_sense |
| 15:41.41 | troubled | :) |
| 15:42.48 | sparse | troubled: will try, I was trying ip=eth0:dhcp, ip= with fully specified even fith autoconf off |
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| 15:43.46 | RichiH | not really a debian question, but where could i look up what the earliest kernel which supports via vt6105m is? |
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| 15:44.06 | abrotman | the changelog? |
| 15:44.31 | amee2k | p0g0__: i'm installing voyage now... which terminal type should i select to have the regular linux virtual terminals? (it has a regular vga card and PS2 keyboard) |
| 15:44.37 | RichiH | abrotman: yes, but i would prefer to have a large file instead of two dozen single files |
| 15:44.44 | troubled | sparse: aye, I had problems with my FAI and pxe boots here too with multiple nics as well. hard part was finding just the right number of :'s to put in there. iirc, the answer was in the /usr/src/linux/Documentation under nfs something or other for the syntax |
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| 15:45.02 | Frack-Hesse | hiho |
| 15:45.23 | Frack-Hesse | Can I somehow safely pause apt-get? |
| 15:45.26 | troubled | RichiH: for lcv in *.changlogs;do grep "smoething" "$lcv";done ? |
| 15:45.30 | RichiH | oh bugger, i will just for i in {1..30} & wget |
| 15:45.39 | RichiH | troubled: yah |
| 15:45.40 | amee2k | Frack-Hesse: ctrl+z ? |
| 15:45.41 | troubled | :) |
| 15:45.51 | amee2k | dunno how "safe" that is however |
| 15:45.53 | Frack-Hesse | Well |
| 15:46.07 | troubled | RichiH: huh, bash recognizes (1..30)? damn, ive always done `seq 1 30` for stuff like that |
| 15:46.17 | Frack-Hesse | I meant "kill" with pause rather. I don't know. |
| 15:46.18 | amee2k | ime if you just kill it with ctrl+c it should cleanly recover when you restart it |
| 15:46.25 | troubled | learn something new every day in here :) |
| 15:46.29 | sparse | troubled: and it worked then? |
| 15:46.31 | Frack-Hesse | I want to resume it another day and don't want to leave the pc running. |
| 15:46.36 | RichiH | troubled: no idea about bash. zsh does |
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| 15:46.51 | RichiH | for i in {1..32}; wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.$i |
| 15:46.58 | sparse | troubled: because it really seems to me that the setup is absolutly ignored |
| 15:47.01 | RichiH | troubled: as you can see, zsh also support short_loops ;) |
| 15:47.03 | Frack-Hesse | Or alternatively: I have to reboot right now and thus can't just ctrl+z it, because I would just kill it later. |
| 15:47.04 | amee2k | Frack-Hesse: apt-get ...; shutdown now -h; # << is your friend :) |
| 15:47.24 | troubled | sparse: the pxe stuff? ya, got it going eventually. the ip=dhcp workes fine for 99% of the machines here, but that odd multinic one where I needed it to boot of a diff nic was the problem |
| 15:47.48 | troubled | RichiH: ah, never touch zsh, im a bash guy :) |
| 15:47.52 | Frack-Hesse | shutdown now -h doesn't work here, I'm missing some bootparameter, acpi force or something. |
| 15:47.53 | mjt | troubled: it might be simpler to switch cables ;) |
| 15:48.00 | RichiH | troubled: use zsh for a week, shun bash for life |
| 15:48.06 | amee2k | ewwww |
| 15:48.06 | RichiH | it's that simple |
| 15:48.07 | jelly | zshes troubled into ground |
| 15:48.18 | troubled | mjt: was a vmware test iirc that had the issue. I was trying to simulate something |
| 15:48.34 | jelly | RichiH: except... it's default everywhere so you still have to know your way around it |
| 15:48.45 | RichiH | jelly: sure, but for anything advanced.... |
| 15:48.53 | RichiH | i know my way around windows, as well |
| 15:48.59 | troubled | RichiH: well, maybe if I needed something lightweight and zippy |
| 15:49.00 | RichiH | does not mean i have to use it on my own boxen |
| 15:49.14 | jelly | troubled: you'd use dash then ;-) |
| 15:49.15 | RichiH | troubled: zsh is faster, smaller and has more features |
| 15:49.19 | troubled | not like im doing bash cgi's on a 1000 hit/sec web server :) |
| 15:49.22 | RichiH | => duh. |
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| 15:50.07 | et | troubled: the prime advantage are its features. |
| 15:50.11 | troubled | thats the problem with linux anyways, theres always something better or faster :) |
| 15:51.00 | sparse | troubled: I really am not able to make it working, it absolutely does not respect the interface and tries just the eth0 which is even different from the address I got in some live distro |
| 15:51.31 | Frack-Hesse | So is it somehow possible to safely shut down apt-get so I can reboot? |
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| 15:52.05 | troubled | sparse: well, lets step back a bit perhaps? You start the machine for PXE and you get _________? |
| 15:52.13 | RichiH | as google can not give me a real answer and i would need to modify, build, package & deploy a fully custom linux image to try it myself: does the via rhine driver support the via 6105m? |
| 15:52.23 | hark | Frack-Hesse: if it's just downloading the packages, yes |
| 15:52.31 | Frack-Hesse | It is at the moment. |
| 15:52.36 | zeier | troubled: even with "buildpackage" plus --iitrd, I do not get one... |
| 15:52.36 | RichiH | Frack-Hesse: ctrl-c |
| 15:52.38 | Frack-Hesse | still in the "get" phase. |
| 15:52.41 | Frack-Hesse | Ok. |
| 15:52.44 | Frack-Hesse | thx. |
| 15:52.52 | RichiH | np |
| 15:52.57 | troubled | zeier: --iitrd or --initrd? |
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| 15:53.07 | RichiH | just don't do it while installing stuff (if you can help it) |
| 15:53.13 | zeier | --initrd of course, sorry for the typo |
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| 15:53.25 | Open | what's a hassle-free torrent client that Just Works and that I can easily get with apt-get? |
| 15:53.32 | tabris|away | Open: rtorrent |
| 15:53.43 | hark | zeier: which version of debian? |
| 15:53.47 | hark | zeier: check the bts |
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| 15:53.59 | sparse | troubled: that is the thing, I start the machine, after some boot, PXE asks TFTP for boot, TFTP boots, it transfers kernel, initrd.img (the default lenny), then it starts booting and all is okay till IP-Config: eth0 hardware address ... mtu 1500 DHCP RARP line |
| 15:54.05 | sparse | Then it stops |
| 15:54.28 | Open | tabris|away, HAH. I was asking because I tried that, and it didn't make much sense to me. Sorry, I'm sorta stupid. Suggest a GUI client please. |
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| 15:54.40 | hark | RichiH: check using the pciid? |
| 15:54.49 | flower | mmh I need some help changing the sound card order |
| 15:55.18 | tabris|away | Open: probably azureus. not that i know if debian distributes it. |
| 15:55.22 | zeier | okay |
| 15:55.22 | tabris|away | Open: but i only use rtorrent. |
| 15:55.27 | hark | flower: the alsa wiki has instructions |
| 15:55.28 | sparse | troubled: there is no panic, it justs stops and I do not know what it does |
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| 15:55.54 | flower | hark: but does that apply to the alsa in debian testing? |
| 15:56.13 | troubled | sparse: i seem to recall something like that here too. cant remember how I dealt with it though |
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| 15:57.24 | troubled | sparse: a tcpdump was showing 2 different calls for dhcp iirc. a normal one for the pxe, and then the second one failed for some reason but was doing strange dhcp requests. eventually it would land on a success though and continue |
| 15:57.41 | sparse | troubled: I really have no idea, I thought that there may be some strange setup in kernel, so I tried to compile my own 2.6.31, but it suffers from not mounfint NFS at all and provides panic |
| 15:57.50 | sparse | troubled: so I abbandoned it for now |
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| 15:57.56 | RichiH | hark: never did that, but eager to learn :) |
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| 15:58.03 | DiegoMax | hey i have a maybe silly question.... whats the way to assign NO IP to a virtual interface ? giving it 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 15:58.35 | hark | RichiH: i meant see it using lspci -nn and check the debian hcl |
| 15:59.02 | hark | !hcl |
| 15:59.02 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 15:59.11 | troubled | RichiH: If you have a VIA "Rhine" based network card (Rhine-I (VT86C100A), Rhine-II (VT6102), or Rhine-III (VT6105)), say Y here. Rhine-type Ethernet functions can also be found integrated on South Bridges (e.g. VT8235). |
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| 15:59.49 | RichiH | never heard of HCL |
| 15:59.50 | RichiH | thanks :) |
| 15:59.51 | troubled | thats from my 2.6.18 etch kernel source under 10/100 mbit from the help, if that helps |
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| 16:00.22 | lsd | DiegoMax, that should work, but why do you want a virtual interface with no IP? :p |
| 16:00.24 | hark | RichiH: the kmuto link there |
| 16:00.46 | DiegoMax | lsd, because i want it reserved for usage with VMWARE in bridged mode, for a virtual machine |
| 16:00.49 | troubled | sparse: the problem as I seen it seems to just be the way it was calling dhcp during nfs only though |
| 16:00.50 | DiegoMax | unless there's a better way to do it ? |
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| 16:01.15 | lsd | so it's br0 or something? |
| 16:01.23 | DiegoMax | lsd, its eth0:0 |
| 16:01.29 | RichiH | hark: hrm, i don't get any results, only a page asking what hardware i am using |
| 16:01.34 | DiegoMax | lsd, basically, i have a debian box with 4 public ip's |
| 16:01.39 | troubled | zeier: curious, did you forget to enable initrd in the config for the kernel by chance? |
| 16:01.42 | DiegoMax | lsd, i want to use one of the ip's for a windows 2003 VM |
| 16:01.55 | lsd | DiegoMax, ah. well, last time i did bridging, i did set the IPs of each bridged device to 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:01.58 | DiegoMax | lsd, but i dont want debian itself binding anything to that ip |
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| 16:02.12 | hark | RichiH: what does lspci -nn |grep 0200 say? |
| 16:02.22 | lsd | DiegoMax, from what i remember, that's a fairly typical thing to do |
| 16:02.34 | jelly | DiegoMax: use bridged networking in your vm solution/ |
| 16:02.38 | DiegoMax | lsd, ok then, just being sure :p |
| 16:03.05 | DiegoMax | jelly yah, i just wanted to know how to tell debian NOT to use that interface/IP anymore |
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| 16:03.27 | jelly | DiegoMax: shut down the iface then remove its configuration? |
| 16:03.29 | DiegoMax | cause clearly if i remove the interface altogheter from the network config in debian, vmware server can not see it |
| 16:03.40 | DiegoMax | if i remove it, vmware can not see it :p |
| 16:03.41 | jelly | DiegoMax: clearly... not. |
| 16:03.47 | DiegoMax | thats why i was asking if 0.0.0.0 was the way to go |
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| 16:04.01 | jelly | DiegoMax: then your network is misconfigure in vmware |
| 16:04.41 | DiegoMax | jelly, why would you say that, if i can see my 3 virtual interfaces in vmware |
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| 16:05.13 | sparse | troubled: that is what is strange, it obviously tries only eth0 which was according to MAC address off. |
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| 16:05.27 | loiseau | hi |
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| 16:05.45 | jelly | DiegoMax: because bridged networking doesn't work that way (or at least, it didn't use to) |
| 16:05.47 | sparse | troubled: yes, the problem is in way it tries to get IP address by DHCP during NFS mount |
| 16:06.07 | RichiH | hark: http://paste.debian.net/49486/ |
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| 16:06.33 | troubled | sparse: https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai/2008-October/006232.html and perhaps try other "debian FAI" google searches since thats what FAI basicaly does |
| 16:06.34 | lsd | DiegoMax, i'm kinda with jelly on this one though. why not just bridge the real interface? |
| 16:06.36 | themill | judd pciid 1106:3053 |
| 16:06.37 | judd | themill: [1106:3053] is 'VT6105M [Rhine-III]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-rhine' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3053 |
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| 16:06.38 | RichiH | troubled: ah, cool |
| 16:06.38 | lsd | it's kinda the point of bridging |
| 16:06.51 | themill | RichiH: ^^ |
| 16:06.51 | RichiH | troubled: let me see if 2.6.15 says the same |
| 16:06.55 | DiegoMax | yah i formulated my question in the worng way sorry |
| 16:07.03 | DiegoMax | my problem is not about "interfaces" but about IP's |
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| 16:07.43 | DiegoMax | i know what you mean now, i should just delete eth0:0 completely from debian config |
| 16:07.53 | DiegoMax | and then use it's ip in the vmware bridge |
| 16:08.03 | cheako | Hello, I'm writing a Makefile and I don't understand how wildcard matches should work... For example if I would like to run gcc on %.c and ld on the resulting %.o. Currently I'm using bash, "for ech in *.c"... |
| 16:08.37 | RichiH | it does |
| 16:08.40 | lsd | cheako, slightly offtopic... |
| 16:09.04 | amitz | say, debian lenny, I "modprobe usbserial somevendor=0xsomenumber" where I should have "modprobe usbserial vendor=0xsomenumber product=0xsomenumber". The expected result is "generic converter now attached to ttyUSB0". No such message in dmesg. Maybe I have to delete udev memory about that particular device? Which part of /etc/udev? Or I should look elsewhere? |
| 16:09.09 | cheako | lsd: Sure, where should I ask? |
| 16:09.17 | troubled | sparse: surely a static ip for nfs would probably work just fine, but that isnt exactly practical imho. would mean every machine would have to have a seperate tftp boot file with specific options |
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| 16:09.35 | lsd | cheako, google? :) |
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| 16:09.48 | sparse | troubled: no, it does not! That is what I tried at first, but it does not do anything |
| 16:10.10 | DiegoMax | cheako, #gcc is certainly a better place to get any answer to your question |
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| 16:10.39 | troubled | sparse: i could have sworn that ultimately it went away after some dhcpd changes, but what I changed I honestly cant recall. my dhcpd config is already massive :) |
| 16:10.39 | cheako | Hmm, thank you. |
| 16:10.59 | sparse | troubled: how much wc -l? |
| 16:11.00 | lsd | cheako, do you know the list of source files in advance? |
| 16:11.00 | EasyTUX | cheako: /join #C |
| 16:11.14 | troubled | sparse: 418 |
| 16:11.20 | sparse | troubled: not that much |
| 16:11.37 | cheako | lsd: No, I purposely need to operate on *.c |
| 16:11.39 | sparse | :-) |
| 16:12.05 | troubled | well no, but its got a bunch of 192.168.0.0/28's and reads like spaghetti :) |
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| 16:12.56 | jelly | troubled: 418 without the comments? |
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| 16:13.29 | troubled | jelly: nah, theres a few dosen comment lines in there. i prefer to keep the original stuff around for reference usually |
| 16:13.36 | savid | How do I restore missing conf files from a package? It seems re-installing the package doesn't restore the conf files |
| 16:13.49 | stew | savid: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:14.14 | troubled | jelly: 333 after I strip out "^#", but then theres still empty lines too |
| 16:14.17 | Mark21 | Hello, I get the following error while installing Debian 5.0 AMD64: Warning: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times. (and after pressing a few times on continue) The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details. in /var/log/syslog I see messages about rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 16:14.37 | stew | amitz: sounds like you should "modprobe -r usbserial" to remove it, then modprobe it again with the correct options |
| 16:14.38 | Mark21 | What could a solution be? |
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| 16:17.46 | savid | stew, I tried the dpkg --install --force-confmiss on the postgresql package and it didn't restore it |
| 16:18.04 | amitz | stew: uh, right, let me try that. |
| 16:18.08 | stew | savid: how did you determine which package needed to be reinstalled? |
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| 16:18.43 | jelly | troubled: ^(#|$) :-) |
| 16:18.46 | savid | stew, I did sudo apt-get -d postgresql, then did sud pkg --install --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/postgresql-8.4_8.4.1-1_amd64.deb |
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| 16:19.01 | jelly | troubled: it's still a lot |
| 16:19.08 | savid | stew, there are other postgresql packages in there, and I tried the same on each of them.... |
| 16:19.16 | stew | savid: which file is missing? |
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| 16:19.28 | savid | stew, /etc/postgresql |
| 16:19.37 | savid | the entire directory |
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| 16:20.19 | stew | savid: try "grep -l etc/postgresql /var/lib/dpkg/info/*conffiles" to get a list of packages that would need to be reinstalled |
| 16:20.37 | stew | savid: i dont' think postgresql-8.4 has conffiles in /etc/postgresql |
| 16:21.17 | troubled | jelly: mostly just a bunch of machine mac->dns mappings and then a template for each of the subnets on the nic. either way, a uselessly complex subnetting setup I hope to change to /24's at some point |
| 16:21.29 | savid | ah, looks like it's postgresql-client-common... odd, since /etc/postgresql has server-specific config |
| 16:21.33 | ruben23 | hi |
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| 16:22.10 | stew | savid: then the files in /etc/postgresql might not be conffiles, which might mesan you need to recover them by some other means |
| 16:22.49 | stew | savid: in which case, i'd recommend looking through the postinst scripts for those packages (located in the same directory as the .conffiles files) |
| 16:22.53 | savid | stew, how did they get created in the first place? I mean if apt-get creates the conf files the first time, what's keeping it from installing them this time around? |
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| 16:23.21 | stew | savid: i don't know, check the postinst scripts |
| 16:24.49 | amitz | stew: I lost track of what happened but somehow it works (I now have /dev/ttyUSBx as a dev for that device). Thanks. |
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| 16:29.42 | savid | stew, it seems the only mention of "/etc/postgresql/" is in the postrm script? |
| 16:29.52 | magesing | Hi everyone, I have debian installed on a notebook, and after a recent software update my screen goes completely black once in a while... CTRL-ALT-F1 will get me to a terminal I can see, /etc/init.d/xdm restart does not fix the problem, shutting the lid of my notebook and then opening it again does fix the problem. There is no set time interval at which it happens, and it happens wether or not I am actively using the computer. Any clues wh |
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| 16:30.02 | `GMF` | I would like to install all the packages I have in the server X to the server Y , is it possible with dpkg / apt-get ? |
| 16:30.57 | Titan8990 | !installed packages |
| 16:30.58 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 16:31.13 | `GMF` | thanks =) |
| 16:31.13 | Titan8990 | !tell magesing about aptitude clone |
| 16:31.19 | Titan8990 | oops |
| 16:31.27 | Titan8990 | !tell `GMF` about aptitude clone |
| 16:31.44 | magesing | Titan8990: lol I wish aptitude clone would fix my problem |
| 16:31.50 | magesing | \4 |
| 16:31.57 | magesing | whoops |
| 16:32.23 | `GMF` | hey Titan8990, thats was exactly what I need :) |
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| 16:34.42 | savid | I just don't understand... it seems as if there should be a way to remove a package as if it were never installed |
| 16:35.18 | `GMF` | now , can I give the output of dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; to apt-get install ? |
| 16:35.18 | NfNitLoop | savid: apt-get remove --purge not working for you? |
| 16:35.32 | savid | NfNitLoop, nope |
| 16:35.40 | NfNitLoop | savid: what's it leaving behind? |
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| 16:36.01 | themill | !purge |
| 16:36.02 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>." |
| 16:36.10 | jelly | `GMF`: read what dpkg told you in a privated message, instead |
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| 16:36.16 | troubled | `GMF`: i usually just do a "dpkg --get-selections > somefile.txt" myself |
| 16:36.24 | `GMF` | oh ok :) |
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| 16:36.44 | anoob | where does iceweasel 3.5 will be a testing package? |
| 16:36.48 | anoob | and what about php5.3? |
| 16:36.52 | savid | NfNitLoop, the problem is that my /etc/postgresql dir was accidentally removed, and re-installing postgresql doesn't bring it back. So I'm trying to figure out why the package isn't replacing it |
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| 16:37.03 | troubled | and then a "dpkg --set-selections < somefile.txt" on the other machine and then force dpkg to install which starts it iirc |
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| 16:37.19 | winter | savid: look at the home direct ories |
| 16:37.21 | NfNitLoop | savid: Oh. Odd. |
| 16:37.40 | winter | snd remove postgresql dirs |
| 16:37.41 | `GMF` | I havent see it :) |
| 16:37.43 | winter | and* |
| 16:38.01 | themill | anoob: "/msg dpkg why is iceweasel not in testing". php5.3 requires a lot more work before it's suitable for inclusion in debian at all |
| 16:38.34 | Thrae | Does anyone have experience with IPv6? My debian router has 3 NICs which support IPv6 addresses, including my external NIC which gets its IPv6 address from Verizon. I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, yet ping6 is giving me "Operation not permitted." |
| 16:38.38 | troubled | why do I get the feeling that dpkg will say "but why is already something else"? :) |
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| 16:39.19 | magesing | erm... it seems I no longer have rc-update installed... Is there a new way I should be adding init scripts to runlevels? or did I inadvertantly uninstall an important debian package? |
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| 16:39.37 | themill | troubled: /msg dpkg literal CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing |
| 16:39.38 | troubled | Thrae: routing table maybe? |
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| 16:39.59 | troubled | themill: ah |
| 16:40.01 | cahoot | magesing: not looking for update-rc.d? |
| 16:40.17 | NfNitLoop | themill: if you're trying to ping6 a fe80:: address, you'll have to specify the interface to use, because it can't figure that out for itself. |
| 16:40.33 | winter | savid: anyway, there is somithing remaning in your os, really try running it on some fresh user |
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| 16:40.35 | anoob | hey, themill, thank you! |
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| 16:40.49 | themill | anoob: no worries |
| 16:41.03 | NfNitLoop | er, that was for Thrae, not themill. :p |
| 16:41.18 | magesing | cahoot: aparantly I am, but I have always used rc-update <init script> <runlevel> and it worked! I'll give update-rc.d a shot |
| 16:41.20 | anoob | can i ask things to dpkg? what is this? :D |
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| 16:41.32 | themill | anoob: /msg dpkg bot help |
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| 16:41.44 | savid | winter, what would a user have anything to do w/ it? installing postgres is an administrative task :-P |
| 16:41.50 | Titan8990 | magesing, thats the gentoo way... |
| 16:41.59 | magesing | Titan8990: aaah lol |
| 16:42.11 | magesing | Titan8990: I'm remembering my commands from my gentoo box |
| 16:42.21 | magesing | I must have never done this on debian before |
| 16:42.38 | Titan8990 | update-rc.d is similar to rc-update |
| 16:43.26 | magesing | what's the debian command to list all init scripts which run in runlevel default? |
| 16:43.33 | anoob | bot help? cool! i'm new here |
| 16:43.40 | anoob | thank u again man |
| 16:43.42 | anoob | ! |
| 16:43.48 | troubled | ls /etc/rc2.d/ ? :) |
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| 16:44.35 | magesing | troubled: ok, so rc2 should be my normal boot? |
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| 16:44.55 | troubled | magesing: in debian ya its rc2 |
| 16:45.36 | magesing | ok... in that case I'm going to remove my eeepc-acpi-scripts from rc2 and hope that that solves my screen going blank problem |
| 16:45.45 | Thrae | troubled: How do I check my ipv6 route? |
| 16:45.56 | troubled | i dont think they ever have followed with that "normal = 2, X = 3 or 5 or whatever" rule in debian |
| 16:45.59 | magesing | if the problem is solved by closing and opening my lid, then it must be related to acpi no? |
| 16:46.19 | troubled | Thrae: im guessing something like "ip route show" maybe? |
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| 16:46.54 | Thrae | troubled: Nevermind, I man'd and it needs -6 |
| 16:46.59 | magesing | of course that would also mean that I can't simply close my lid to suspend my session .. . hmm |
| 16:47.27 | magesing | I think I need to go do more reading on acpi |
| 16:47.49 | troubled | Thrae: no idea on ipv6 in general though. i go out of my way to disable it usually :) |
| 16:48.15 | troubled | but i know of that operation not permitted when my routes are messed up |
| 16:48.29 | Rienzilla | nu nog |
| 16:48.32 | Rienzilla | oops |
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| 16:52.43 | savid | UGH now I've really gone and effed things up. I tried just removing any files that had postgresql in it (I'm getting desperate). Now I can't re-install the pkg due to this error: http://dpaste.com/109335/ |
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| 16:55.08 | mjt | "Doctor, it hurts when I do that!" -- "Don't do that?" |
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| 16:55.26 | mjt | savid: reinstall postgresql-common |
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| 16:57.22 | savid | mjt, it fails with the same error during "Setting up postgresql-client" |
| 16:57.47 | mjt | "it" = what? |
| 16:57.50 | savid | what's funny about this is I got /etc/postgresql back :-P |
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| 16:58.09 | savid | mjt, "it" = what you suggested, reinstalling postgresql-common |
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| 16:58.28 | mjt | for some reason i don't think you reinstalled it |
| 16:58.33 | savid | mjt (apt-get install --reinstall postgresql-common) |
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| 16:58.56 | mjt | ok |
| 16:58.57 | savid | mjt, is there some other command I should be using? |
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| 16:59.20 | I7uoHeoka | i need a help. i'm russian. i can win iPod nano 8GB if you help me. please register and upload photo -> http://vk.com/reg1051946 . 14 users need. (sorry, my english is very bad) |
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| 16:59.38 | mjt | idiot |
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| 17:00.01 | savid | mjt, turns out it was postgresql-client-common |
| 17:00.44 | mjt | packages.debian.org has filesearch service |
| 17:00.52 | mjt | to find which package provides a given file |
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| 17:01.20 | savid | mjt, heh, good to know |
| 17:01.48 | stew | mjt: the files he is hoping to reoplace aren't shipped in any pacakges though so they wouldn't show up |
| 17:01.56 | stew | mjt: they are config files generated post-install |
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| 17:02.19 | mjt | i was referring to /usr/share/postgresql-common/maintscripts-functions |
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| 17:02.40 | savid | oh well. whatever I did it ended up working. bleh |
| 17:03.01 | alinux | hi I have got two private keys and two public keys..but I dont know which is which..how can I extract the info I entered when I created the key ? |
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| 17:03.19 | stew | alinux: what kind of keys? |
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| 17:04.27 | zophy | did SCO ever get any money from their lawsuits ? |
| 17:04.31 | alinux | stew, dsa |
| 17:04.45 | stew | alinux: what tool did you create them with? |
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| 17:04.59 | mjt | heh |
| 17:05.07 | alinux | stew, openssl...do keys have expiry dates ? |
| 17:06.03 | stew | alinux: try openssl dsa -in /path/to/file -text |
| 17:06.32 | stew | err |
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| 17:06.45 | stew | that's not going to be correct |
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| 17:07.22 | dkr | my suggestion was to try using one pair for an ssh login and if it doesn't work you know it matches the other |
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| 17:07.36 | alinux | stew, I get unable to load Key Expecting ANY PRIVATE KEY when I try to identify the public key but does read the private key |
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| 17:07.54 | odla | is it a known bug that the intel driver has extensive flashing when starting X and when logging out? I am running squeeze |
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| 17:08.03 | stew | dkr: that would extract info from the keys? |
| 17:08.10 | mjt | alinux: here you go :) |
| 17:08.21 | dkr | stew: no, to find out which private keys amtches which public ones |
| 17:08.24 | lvh | hi |
| 17:08.27 | stew | alinux: you created just a private key /public key pair? or was one a cert or a csr? |
| 17:08.37 | lvh | im looking for a suitable command line tool to produce an iso backup for a CD |
| 17:08.38 | lvh | any ideas? |
| 17:08.50 | stew | dkr: he's asking how to extract the info he entered when creating the key |
| 17:08.56 | mjt | lvh: cat |
| 17:08.58 | lvh | makefs looks like it might do what I want |
| 17:09.07 | lvh | mjt: Why cat and not dd? |
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| 17:09.10 | stew | lvh: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso |
| 17:09.12 | dkr | stew: yes, in order to find out which is which |
| 17:09.14 | alinux | stew, one a cert |
| 17:09.32 | stew | alinux: openssl x509 -in /path/to/crt -text |
| 17:09.45 | dkr | oh, so there is a cert involved |
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| 17:10.18 | troubled | ya, x509 works in that way for my crt's here |
| 17:10.39 | troubled | not much diff than catting the file though I notice |
| 17:10.53 | pi00100100 | hello. is it possible to install debian without relying on its guided graphical tool? i intend as arch linux or gentoo do, for example |
| 17:11.04 | stew | if you need to figure out which key goes with which i believe you can do that with -modulus |
| 17:11.15 | odla | pi00100100: yes ... net install and install the components you want |
| 17:11.38 | stew | pi00100100: you can choose an "expert" install, hit f1 at the boot: prompt for options |
| 17:11.42 | troubled | wouldnt it be -fingerprint? |
| 17:12.05 | jelly | pi00100100: or did you mean a completely noninteractive installation? |
| 17:12.25 | mjt | debian has debootstrap |
| 17:12.37 | pi00100100 | jelly, yes i mean a completely noninteractive install |
| 17:12.50 | Hydroxide | I think you have the 'auto' option at the d-i prompt... |
| 17:13.10 | stew | troubled: no, the fingerprint is the fingerprint for the crt |
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| 17:13.39 | troubled | fair enough |
| 17:13.40 | stew | troubled: to figure out which key goes with a crt, you can compare the -modulus with the -modulos of "openssl dsa -in /path/to/key -modulus" |
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| 17:14.16 | troubled | im guessing he lost track of the filenames :) |
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| 17:14.43 | pi00100100 | i can't believe debian cannot be install by just typing a series of commands in a shell.. |
| 17:15.10 | themill | pi00100100: into what shell do you want to type these commands? from an existing linux installation? /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:15.15 | Titan8990 | kickstart is available for debian |
| 17:15.17 | stew | pi00100100: it can, see debootstrap |
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| 17:15.56 | pi00100100 | pi00100100, from the debian livecd perhaps |
| 17:16.06 | JoshH | there's also pxe and preseed |
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| 17:16.56 | Titan8990 | lol you probably do a debootstrap install from the livecd |
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| 17:17.55 | jelly | debian livecd isn't exteremely useful at this moment though, there are much better livecds that one can do a debootstrap from |
| 17:18.28 | Titan8990 | my luck was not good with deboostrap from a non-debian machine |
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| 17:18.49 | mjt | it should be quite portable |
| 17:18.50 | Thrae | Alright, I'm trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, but I'm getting a bit confused. Verizon gives me an IPv6 address on my external NIC. How do I setup /etc/network/interfaces so I can ping6? |
| 17:19.00 | Titan8990 | when attempted via my gentoo install it would download all the required packages but would not unpack them... ended building in on lenny fileserver and rsyncing it over |
| 17:19.13 | Titan8990 | mjt, should be... and was even available from the gentoo repos |
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| 17:26.26 | cusco | Thrae: does ifconfig show ipv6 address? |
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| 17:27.02 | Thrae | cusco: fe80::213:49ff:fe17:502c/64 |
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| 17:27.25 | cusco | you have to ping6 a ipv6 address |
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| 17:27.45 | Thrae | cusco: I was trying www.kame.net, which should resolve to a ipv6 address |
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| 17:28.27 | eiro | hello |
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| 17:29.53 | cusco | Thrae: umm you should ping that |
| 17:29.54 | dkay | well, could someone tell me please for waht to use nntp server? ive read that it is used to coomunicate with news servers. do i need to communicate with news servers? it is requeired for e.g. updates ? |
| 17:29.57 | cusco | what does ping6 say? |
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| 17:30.05 | Thrae | cusco: ipv6.chat.eu.freenode.net doesn't work either. It just says Network is unreachable. |
| 17:30.24 | cusco | Thrae: its funny today I am having the same problem. |
| 17:30.32 | cusco | but I have been using 6to4 |
| 17:30.37 | mesaGL | dkay: if you don't want (usenet) newsgroups, then it isn't needed |
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| 17:31.43 | eiro | i would like to add the ISO5426 to my debian iconv |
| 17:31.44 | _Trinity_ | he dudes |
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| 17:32.03 | eiro | it seems that i have to rebuild my libc |
| 17:32.09 | eiro | is it right ? |
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| 17:33.11 | dkay | well, it makes no sense to communicat with newsgroup servers!?! for what reasons? if it weres for updates or something it would be okay! But just newsgroups or other related not important stuff ? !!! thanks mesaGL |
| 17:33.36 | dkay | i can purge nntpservers :) |
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| 17:34.31 | dkay | i just hope i will not remove ntpdate and related timeserver applications ! |
| 17:34.53 | mesaGL | dkay: yeah. not to ne confused with ntpd, network time protocol daemon, for synchronizing the system clock |
| 17:35.07 | mesaGL | s/ne/be |
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| 17:35.27 | tramsei | Alright, I'm trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, but I'm getting a bit confused. Verizon gives me an IPv6 address on my external NIC. How do I setup /etc/network/interfaces so I can ping6? |
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| 17:38.07 | pi00100100 | i looked at debootstrap, but i don't think is what i'm looking for. i don't want to use a pre-existing system for installing debian. also, i don't need an unattended setup. i just like to install linux manually typing each command needed.. |
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| 17:39.03 | stew | pi00100100: you want to look at the debootstrap script then, and run those command manually |
| 17:39.25 | stew | pi00100100: (debootstrap is just an sh script) |
| 17:39.36 | JoshH | tramsei: that fe80 v6 ip is not from verizon, it's the link local |
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| 17:40.38 | vn | why does 09 01 1-7,15-22 * 6 sh /bak/bak-cygwin.sh >> /var/log/backup/bakc.log never run? I want it to basically run every 2 saturdays |
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| 17:41.16 | JoshH | also, i'm fairly certain that verizon doesn't provide v6 to residential customers, and doesn't even have good 6 support with verizon business |
| 17:41.26 | stew | vn: becuase cron is dumb and you can't specify both day of month and day of week |
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| 17:41.52 | stew | vn: have your job run every saturday and have your script check if it is 1-7 or 15-22 |
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| 17:42.31 | proycon | I have a question about bug-reports without the reportbug tool, to what address should I mail to reopen an existing bug? |
| 17:42.42 | vn | kthx, thats what I thought.. |
| 17:42.45 | abrotman | proycon: the bug number .. |
| 17:43.00 | proycon | hmm, that's what I did... xxxx@bugs.debian.org , it bounced back |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | proycon: it bounced ? |
| 17:44.20 | proycon | abrotman: yeah |
| 17:44.28 | abrotman | proycon: what address did you use? |
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| 17:44.55 | themill | proycon: can you pastebin the bounce message? |
| 17:45.00 | proycon | 545190@bugs.debian.org -- 550 unknown user |
| 17:45.25 | proycon | oh wait! |
| 17:45.29 | proycon | this is odd |
| 17:45.35 | proycon | the message is not from debian.org |
| 17:45.41 | proycon | but my own relay server |
| 17:45.48 | abrotman | blames proycon |
| 17:45.56 | proycon | blames himself too |
| 17:46.31 | proycon | oh no |
| 17:46.37 | proycon | it was not my server |
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| 17:46.41 | proycon | it just relayed the message |
| 17:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | stew: cron's logic is "any match is a yes". |
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| 17:47.36 | proycon | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m599dd4c0 |
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| 17:48.02 | foo | Where is libssh2 hiding? I can't seem to find it in the repository |
| 17:48.20 | proycon | abrotman: (and I also tried without -reopen) |
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| 17:48.40 | abrotman | proycon: i think you meant to put 545190@bugs.debian.org and the body as "reopen" ? |
| 17:48.45 | stew | foo: apt-cache search -n libssh |
| 17:49.13 | proycon | well, 545190@bugs.debian.org gave the very same error, so doesn't matter much what I put in the body |
| 17:49.40 | foo | stew: that returns nothing |
| 17:50.11 | stew | foo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:50.18 | abrotman | proycon: eh .. control@bugs.debian.org, and the body is "reopen 545190" |
| 17:50.27 | foo | stew: 4 |
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| 17:50.40 | stew | or run "bts reopen 545190" from the command line if you have devscripts installed |
| 17:50.46 | proycon | abrotman: ah! I'll try that |
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| 17:50.54 | stew | foo: its not in 4, its in lenny (aka 5.0) and later |
| 17:51.01 | stew | foo: http://packages.debian.org/libssh |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | proycon: i'm sure Julien will be happy :) |
| 17:51.15 | proycon | I didn't use the command line tool 'bugreport' as I'm on an ubuntu system, and figured it might send the bug there instead of to debian |
| 17:51.24 | proycon | abrotman: :) |
| 17:51.28 | foo | stew: oh, is 4 the latest stable? or is 5 the latest stable? |
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| 17:51.31 | abrotman | proycon: are you filing an ubuntu bug in the debian BTS ? |
| 17:51.38 | foo | wonders if he got behind |
| 17:51.39 | jhutchins_lt | proycon: Did you consider asking in #ubuntu? |
| 17:51.43 | proycon | no, I used the debian package |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | proycon: wait .. hold up a second |
| 17:52.02 | abrotman | proycon: you're using a Debian package on ubuntu, and it doesn't work, and oyu're going to file a bug on it? |
| 17:52.06 | jhutchins_lt | proycon: Ah, then you need #imadethisupmyself |
| 17:52.15 | jelly | abrotman: it's only natural |
| 17:52.16 | plazia | what's the default smtp server for debian? I know there's loads to choose from but what's the standard one that would be installed if there were a meta-package say "default-smtp-server?" |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | plazia: exim |
| 17:52.28 | ascii158 | i think exim |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | well, exim4 |
| 17:52.35 | plazia | abrotman, ascii158 thanks chaps. |
| 17:52.38 | themill | plazia: exim4 (and there are plans to create a default-mta or similar package) |
| 17:52.42 | proycon | abrotman: in this case, yes, there's a malfunction in the package and there was already a bug report on it anyhow |
| 17:52.45 | stew | foo: 5 aka lenny is stable (see /topic), 4 aka etch is "oldstable" (and support for etch ends in february) |
| 17:52.48 | proycon | and ubuntu doesn't have package |
| 17:52.50 | plazia | themill, cheers |
| 17:52.50 | jelly | themill: and it should be postfix! |
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| 17:52.58 | jelly | hides |
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| 17:53.11 | foo | stew: shoot, I didn't know that. I need to upgrade this box to be lenny, then. |
| 17:53.13 | themill | jelly: more likely to be some nullmailer or similar |
| 17:53.18 | abrotman | proycon: right, but you should actually install debian in a VM or something before you do that .. you're just going to upset the maintainer when he spends a saturday chasing down a bug on ubuntu |
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| 17:53.33 | foo | stew: can you shoot me the bot factoid to do that? eg. upgrade for 4 to 5 |
| 17:53.34 | siOux_ | i have 3com 3c2000-t ethernet, and i can´t setup this ethernet. I downloaded driver on 3com website, but this show this error ==> http://paste.debian.net/49488/. I use debian lenny, installed of netinstall |
| 17:53.46 | stew | dpkg: tell foo about etch->lenny |
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| 17:53.52 | foo | stew: thanks |
| 17:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose it would be legitimate to comment on an existing bug to say it also fails on ubuntu. |
| 17:53.57 | autojack | jelly: hey, I was talking to you the other week about hot-swapping SATA drives in linux. I finally got my replacement drive, and I went through the commands to swap it out, but the system still wouldn't detect the new drive. |
| 17:54.06 | stew | foo: you might consider subscribing to http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ which is VERY low traffic |
| 17:54.10 | autojack | jelly: when I tried to get it to rescan, it just said, "operation not supported." |
| 17:54.21 | abrotman | proycon: i'm not saying the bug isn't legit, i'm just saying that you should at least have the courtesy to test it accurately on the system it was intended to run on |
| 17:54.22 | autojack | jelly: I suspect the kernel/driver version I have just didn't support it. |
| 17:54.26 | proycon | abrotman: well, I don't think it's very distribution specific, considering the nature of the package and bug |
| 17:54.27 | jelly | autojack: so a sucky driver or a sucky controller or both |
| 17:54.29 | ascii158 | siOux_: have you installed build-essential and linux-headers? |
| 17:54.35 | proycon | abrotman: yeah, I understand your point |
| 17:54.53 | autojack | jelly: yeah. my controller is listed as supported by libata, and I'm using the libata driver, so I think it's a version issue. |
| 17:54.57 | siOux_ | ascii158 yes, http://paste.debian.net/49487 ==> installation |
| 17:55.03 | jhutchins_lt | siOux_: It's telling you it can't find the headers for the current linux kernel. |
| 17:55.19 | jelly | autojack: oh, it being supported doesn't necessarily mean all the features are there |
| 17:55.24 | siOux_ | yes i find the headers and source |
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| 17:55.29 | abrotman | proycon: to put it another way, if the maintainer finds out that you never tested it on debian, he may close the bug and tell you it's not his problem, and then you'll have to end up testing it on debian anyways. |
| 17:55.40 | autojack | jelly: and then, after rebooting and getting the RAID rebuilding, I started getting errors on the replacement drive. the system ended up marking it failed after awhile, but I just ran it through the hours-long extended Western Digital diagnostics, which found nothing. |
| 17:55.42 | foo | stew: great, ok, thanks |
| 17:55.52 | jhutchins_lt | siOux_: Have a look at this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html |
| 17:55.53 | ascii158 | siOux_: again: install build-essential and linux-headers (if you have sorry, but neither pastebin shows that) |
| 17:55.57 | autojack | jelly: starting to wonder if I've got a bad SATA port on my backplane. |
| 17:56.21 | siOux_ | i had installed |
| 17:56.38 | jelly | autojack: eh, that's entirely possible |
| 17:56.40 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: RAID controllers, especially low-end ones, fail as often as hard drives do. |
| 17:57.03 | autojack | jhutchins_lt: I dunno how low-end this one is. it's a Marvell one in a Supermicro server. |
| 17:57.17 | autojack | not like a Promise one or something. |
| 17:57.24 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: They fail too. |
| 17:57.25 | proycon | abrotman: I understand yes, but unfortunately the nature of the bug has to do with partition tables, so having a VM is not an option, and installing debian is not possible because this bug prevents me from booting and installing properly in the first place :) |
| 17:57.25 | siOux_ | ascii158 u want show this error on pastebin or not ? |
| 17:57.33 | jelly | autojack: out of warranty on the server I gather? |
| 17:57.46 | autojack | so I was wondering, can I put the replacement drive into a different port and get Linux to still make it sda instead of some other letter/ID? |
| 17:57.55 | autojack | jelly: probably, it's 3+ years old now. |
| 17:58.08 | proycon | perhaps if there's a debian live CD I could test it |
| 17:58.14 | proycon | that might work |
| 17:58.27 | jelly | autojack: you shouldn't really have to care which drive is sda |
| 17:58.40 | ascii158 | siOux_: what you pasted on pastebin was an error of an unsupported driver. show the error of aptitude when installing build-essential and linux-headers and it will be easier to help you |
| 17:58.41 | autojack | jelly: I guess that's true. I can add an arbitrary drive back into the RAID. |
| 17:58.54 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: SCSI ID should be set by the device, not it's location. |
| 17:58.56 | autojack | jelly: it can be sdb and sdq for all Linux cares. |
| 17:59.00 | jelly | md raid will read the metadata anyway |
| 17:59.21 | autojack | jelly: right. OK, I may try a different port then. |
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| 17:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: Definitely worth a try. |
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| 18:00.04 | jelly | autojack: possibly the previous "bad" disk might turn out to be not so bad at all |
| 18:00.06 | autojack | the other drive continues to work just fine in the port it has been in for a couple of years, so it seems the entire controller/backplane is not shot. |
| 18:00.13 | autojack | jelly: totally. |
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| 18:01.04 | abrotman | proycon: VMs can have partitions? .. up to you, just don't be surprised if it gets reclosed quickly |
| 18:01.06 | autojack | oh, and incidentally, when I went to the colo I was amazed to find my server sitting at a weird angle in the rack. upon inspection I found that the rack mounting ears were BENT. |
| 18:01.10 | autojack | pretty badly. |
| 18:01.18 | autojack | as though someone had put something very heavy on top of the server. |
| 18:01.51 | autojack | it's a shared rack space so there's no protection from that sort of thing, but I sent a bitchy email to the colo people, with pictures, and insinuated that maybe this was why my drive failed. |
| 18:02.03 | ascii158 | if you ask them it was probably linux. it is not supported on their racks |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | autojack: sounds like correct approach |
| 18:02.19 | autojack | haha |
| 18:02.20 | Rienzilla | i've had that happen before :( |
| 18:02.41 | autojack | yeah. I can't imagine what could have put enough torque on steel hardware to bend it this way. |
| 18:02.42 | Rienzilla | someone put an extremely heavy server without mountkit on my server |
| 18:02.54 | autojack | the weight of my server alone is nowhere near enough. |
| 18:03.07 | Rienzilla | but the weight of the 4u machine on top of it might be :) |
| 18:03.28 | autojack | exactly. |
| 18:03.29 | Rienzilla | especially if it's old-school "heavy-is-reliable"-hardware :) |
| 18:03.32 | autojack | there isnothing on top of it right now. |
| 18:03.43 | autojack | I'm worried someone dropped something on it while unracking. |
| 18:04.24 | Rienzilla | that's a probably cause indeed :/ |
| 18:04.30 | Rienzilla | e |
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| 18:05.05 | autojack | we'll see. |
| 18:05.29 | autojack | once I get the RAID happy again I'm going to look at upgrading Debian. I'm running Etch. |
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| 18:05.35 | autojack | pretty ancient. |
| 18:07.01 | jelly | no, woody's pretty ancient |
| 18:07.14 | lordlicorice | hmm why do new Xorg versions require graphics driver updates? |
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| 18:07.33 | lordlicorice | like xorg 1.6 isn't supported by the old R500 fglrx driver |
| 18:07.47 | lordlicorice | what is it that needs updating? |
| 18:07.51 | jelly | because the APIs have changed |
| 18:08.00 | jelly | ... ABIs, sorry |
| 18:08.06 | lordlicorice | well why can't they be backwards compatible |
| 18:08.25 | jelly | ask the Xorg people. |
| 18:08.34 | stew | lordlicorice: ask #xorg |
| 18:08.46 | lordlicorice | oh right thanks |
| 18:08.50 | autojack | yeah I think I want to go to squeeze. |
| 18:09.16 | jelly | whom? |
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| 18:09.52 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: I would be pretty annoyed by that kind of damage and I'd demand compensation or repair. |
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| 18:11.20 | autojack | jhutchins_lt: yeah that's what I'm angling for. my message is open-ended. I said there was damage, I'm concerned it may have affected my drive, and I sent pictures. I didn't ask them to do anything in particular. their service manager is "looking into it." |
| 18:11.27 | autojack | we'll see what they come back with. |
| 18:12.21 | autojack | does the bot have an entry for steps to upgrade from etch? can't figure out the syntax of it. |
| 18:12.45 | autojack | oh, it looks kind of stale. it still thinks etch is in testing. |
| 18:13.06 | autojack | and it doesn't seem to know what lenny or squeeze are. |
| 18:13.21 | jhutchins_lt | autojack: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html |
| 18:13.36 | jelly | autojack: um.... /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:13.42 | autojack | aha |
| 18:13.46 | autojack | dpkg is the bot. |
| 18:13.47 | dpkg | i don't know, autojack |
| 18:13.51 | autojack | last time I was here apt was. |
| 18:14.02 | autojack | and apt is still online. |
| 18:14.07 | jelly | !kick apt |
| 18:14.07 | dpkg | kicks apt in the crotch. |
| 18:14.11 | th0ger | Wow! 8 years in the linux community, and not until now I realized that i18n==internationalization and l10n==localization! :-) |
| 18:14.19 | jelly | !win th0ger |
| 18:14.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, th0ger! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:14.30 | th0ger | thanks! |
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| 18:15.29 | th0ger | now /me wonders what uft8 is shorthand of :-D |
| 18:15.43 | th0ger | utf8 |
| 18:16.42 | jelly | th0ger: /msg dpkg UTF-8 |
| 18:17.03 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | Unicode Transformation Format, 8 bit. |
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| 18:21.55 | tramsei | My Debian Lenny router is showing 95% Use% on / with dh, but 18% IUse% on / with dh -i. Why does this keep happening? |
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| 18:22.22 | justin | tramsei: do you know what the -i option does? |
| 18:23.09 | tramsei | ? |
| 18:23.10 | pistache | dh ? |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | tramsei: man dh |
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| 18:23.23 | abrotman | erm ... df ? |
| 18:23.28 | pistache | i guess df yeah |
| 18:23.57 | adamos | man df: list inode information instead of block usage |
| 18:24.01 | tramsei | there something wrong here |
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| 18:24.27 | abrotman | tramsei: you're using 'df' ? |
| 18:24.40 | adamos | do a df -f |
| 18:24.46 | adamos | df -h |
| 18:24.51 | Snadder | Anyone know how to debug problems with nfs shares? I have some disk io which takes very long time to compleate. Sometimes 2 seconds.. sometimes 30 seconds. |
| 18:24.53 | tramsei | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.54 | adamos | arrrrrrrrrrr df -h |
| 18:24.57 | abrotman | tramsei: do you understand the difference between 'df' and 'df -i' and what they are measuring? |
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| 18:25.14 | jelly | tramsei: you filled up the blocks with large-ish files, but did not create lots of files or directories. Why do you think there's something wrong? |
| 18:25.50 | tramsei | dont you think theres something wrong? |
| 18:25.55 | jelly | no |
| 18:26.04 | jhutchins_lt | tramsei: Not just from that information, no. |
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| 18:26.18 | abrotman | tramsei: nope not in the slightest .. you put a few large files on your / |
| 18:26.37 | jelly | tramsei: let me rephrase: what makes you think there's something wrong? What should the number look like to be "not wrong"? |
| 18:26.50 | tramsei | Because it's a router, and deleting a 2.1G file did not change the df count. |
| 18:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | tramsei: I'm guessing a big log file or something. How did you delete it? |
| 18:27.42 | tramsei | see the prob? |
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| 18:28.00 | jelly | tramsei: in Unix, a deleted file being open in a process doesn't get deallocated until all the processes close it. |
| 18:28.04 | justin | tramsei: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 18:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | tramsei: I'm guessing a big log file or something. How did you delete it? |
| 18:28.47 | justin | guessing would not be necessary if he would ask a proper question |
| 18:29.02 | Thrae | jhutchins_lt: Right, a big log file. It was process.log.1, I deleted it using rm process.log.1. |
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| 18:29.31 | jelly | Thrae = tramsei? |
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| 18:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | tramsei: If you think this is not right, a shutdown -Fr now might be in order. |
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| 18:30.24 | justin | uhh |
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| 18:30.35 | justin | /etc/init.d/process restart would be a lot easier |
| 18:31.23 | abrotman | justin: i think he's implying fsck for filesystem corruption issues |
| 18:31.33 | justin | what filesystem corruption? |
| 18:31.33 | g00se | I'm receiving redirects from backports when using aptitude and updates are failing. Is it just me? |
| 18:31.45 | abrotman | justin: i didn't say there was any .. |
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| 18:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | justin: -F is for fsck. |
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| 18:32.17 | justin | there is no reason to believe a fsck is necessary |
| 18:32.39 | jhutchins_lt | justin: I see one. Perhaps you don't. |
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| 18:33.30 | Thrae | jhutchins_lt: Ah, alright. Thanks. |
| 18:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | justin: Remember, it's (ease of test)*(probability of error), not |(probabability of error)|. |
| 18:33.44 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: you think the data given is enough to conclude a fsck is needed? |
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| 18:34.31 | justin | seeing how he said "14:21 < tramsei> My Debian Lenny router" i'd say a reboot+fsck might not be the best of ideas |
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| 18:35.10 | jelly | oh noes, it's a troll |
| 18:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | justin: Certainly no-one is preventing you from asking further details or suggesting other troubleshooting steps. |
| 18:35.14 | justin | furthermore, the box will continue to route no matter what happens to the drive, but if the fs is corrupted, it won't come back from a reboot |
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| 18:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | justin: What procedure would you suggest? |
| 18:36.09 | justin | 14:28 < justin> tramsei: /msg dpkg ask |
| 18:36.16 | dashrandom | hello |
| 18:36.25 | elli222 | hi, i can't seem to find the Grip package in SID, what happened to it? |
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| 18:36.46 | hark | elli222: removed |
| 18:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | justin: How about "rtfm"? |
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| 18:37.10 | \[Broken\]Ninja | I need to get my desktop session back, compiz crashed on me, I don't care if its metacity, I just need it long enough to see what I missed and restart, any suggestions? |
| 18:37.14 | elli222 | hark: D: but its in Lenny |
| 18:37.18 | justin | jhutchins_lt: how about you stop being a pain in my ass? |
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| 18:37.48 | MrDusty | Is there a way to move avant-navigation-bar to the side of your monitor as opposed to the bottom ? |
| 18:37.59 | hark | elli222: yes, but it won't be in the next release |
| 18:38.00 | avu | elli222, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515887 |
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| 18:39.21 | foo | stew: Upgrade complete, I should probably reboot, right? |
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| 18:41.22 | jelly | Thrae: before (or instead of) doing a reboot, you could use "lsof -n | grep yourfile" or "lsof -n | grep deleted" to see if there's a process still holding that file. |
| 18:41.58 | Thrae | jelly: I found the process and kill -9'd it when it didn't respond to kill. The space is freed. |
| 18:42.27 | jelly | Thrae: right, that's the way to do it |
| 18:42.40 | Tux^verdreifelt | hm... my debian squeeze has a few kernel updates.. now how can i remove the "old" kernel versions from grub? |
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| 18:43.03 | Zvpun | should UTC be set to yes or no in /etc/default/rcS? |
| 18:43.12 | Thrae | Now if I could only get ping6 to work... |
| 18:43.42 | jelly | Zvpun: Windows wants it set to no. If you're not dualbooting, it's eaiser to set it to yes. |
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| 18:44.46 | Zvpun | jelly: I am confused since rcS says UTC=yes uses UTC for the hw clock whereas debian.org/manuals/system-administrato/ch-sysadmin-time.html 16.1 says to use UTC ... change UTC to no. |
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| 18:45.18 | Zvpun | jelly: I think the manual is wrong, but are not sure, can you please read and verify 16.1 Setting time, time zones and daylight saving? |
| 18:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | Zvpun: I believe that may mean that if you want your system time to be in UTC instead of local time, set the hardware clock to UTC and set that to "no". |
| 18:45.55 | jelly | Zvpun: can you paste the correct url? |
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| 18:46.33 | Zvpun | www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 18:46.53 | Zvpun | jhutchins_lt: that may be |
| 18:47.10 | Zvpun | what package do I have to reconfigure to change UTC to yes in rcS? |
| 18:47.23 | jelly | Zvpun: the manual seems to be wrong. |
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| 18:47.28 | jelly | !utc |
| 18:47.28 | dpkg | well, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
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| 18:47.35 | Thrae | I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 under "Setting up a 6to4 relay router using Debian", but ping6 is saying the "Network is unreachable". Am I missing something I need to add to my external NIC, eth1? |
| 18:47.56 | jelly | !set time |
| 18:47.56 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 18:48.05 | jelly | Zvpun: ^^ |
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| 18:49.26 | DogBoy | what's up with the timezone selector on the installer |
| 18:49.34 | DogBoy | it's like nobody in texas uses debian |
| 18:50.16 | stew | DogBoy: you'll have to ask a more specific question than "what's up with..." |
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| 18:50.42 | DogBoy | you can only select like mexico city or chicago |
| 18:50.47 | DogBoy | lol |
| 18:50.55 | stew | DogBoy: there are many more options than that |
| 18:51.15 | DogBoy | sure there are, none by were I live though |
| 18:51.18 | DogBoy | not even close |
| 18:51.18 | siOux_ | ascii158 i have installed build-essentials and linux-headers... |
| 18:51.34 | stew | DogBoy: but pick a city in the same time zone as you, 'texas' isnt' speicific enough anyway, it spans multiple time zones |
| 18:51.34 | siOux_ | ascii158 how i install driver? |
| 18:51.35 | Zvpun | Is it true that i can use hwclock to set the time without changing the time my system uses until reboot? I got 2 h difference and want to change the time for the next reboot. |
| 18:51.50 | DogBoy | yes no kidding stew |
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| 18:52.52 | siOux_ | ascii158 i need help, because i trying 2 weeks ago |
| 18:53.10 | siOux_ | and i can do this |
| 18:53.11 | siOux_ | =( |
| 18:53.31 | tramsei | i've got a debian box acting as a gateway, with a host behind it that gets proxy arp'ed. this works fine, but what i really need to do is have this proxy arp set up, but not give the debian box an IP on the external network at all. i only have one external IP i can use, and i need ALL traffic to go to the proxy arp'ed machine behind it... but |
| 18:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zvpun, you can set the time of the system clock... which will probably be used to set the time on the next reboot |
| 18:53.57 | DogBoy | anyway, I wasn't asking what to do, I was asking why is the timezone selector so lame? |
| 18:54.17 | Zvpun | thank you for your help |
| 18:54.25 | Zvpun | I am off rebooting and fixing my time |
| 18:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | DogBoy, because everyone just waited for you to come along and improve it |
| 18:54.36 | DogBoy | it's been that way for years, it gets an updated look but then you can only select like north dakota or chicago or like mexico city for central time |
| 18:54.44 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 18:54.50 | DogBoy | it's like that on ubuntu too |
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| 18:55.28 | dutchfish | tramsei, you could make a transparent bridging firewall, but that still leaves you with the total number of external ip you have got |
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| 18:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bridge setup |
| 18:56.19 | dpkg | Install the bridge-utils package and read the bridge-utils-interfaces(5) man page (Lenny) or /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz (Etch). It contains basic and advanced bridge configuration examples ("dhcp" can be used in place of "static"). IP forwarding does _not_ need to be enabled. If intending to bridge a wireless interface, see http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections and ask me about <ebtables>. |
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| 19:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: It's a holdover from when states like Indiana had their own time zone boundaries and DST rules. |
| 19:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Some areas it was necessary to have finer grained selection, some areas all you needed was cst/cdt. |
| 19:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Your actual location doesn't matter to the time system, just a location in the zone with the same rules. |
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| 19:01.59 | DogBoy | it's not really asking if it's cst or pst or whatnot, it's asking for me to point to a location on a map |
| 19:02.14 | DogBoy | which, when I do it says oops, try again |
| 19:02.20 | siOux_ | i have 3com 3c2000-t ethernet, and i can´t setup this ethernet. I downloaded driver on 3com website, but this show this error ==> http://paste.debian.net/49488/. I use debian lenny, installed of netinstall |
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| 19:04.48 | DogBoy | I know it's bad manners to bitch about something cause it's open source and I could just go and fix it, it's just that I installed again yesterday and was surprized that it wasn't fixed yet |
| 19:05.13 | DogBoy | I mean, you go to some web sites and they are telling you where you are on the globe and what time it is there |
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| 19:05.48 | tramsei | something's still not clicking for me, i guess. i need to have this machine be the default route for my internal machine, not bridge the external routers. basically it has to be the gateway for this machine, and then NAT the traffic, passing it to one of 3 external gateways based on policy decision, but it can't have an IP on any of the networks these gateways are on, itself. |
| 19:05.50 | nike | Hi, I have an sshfs lin in /etc/fstab that works when I run "mount -a" as root, but doesn't automount when I boot. |
| 19:05.57 | MUTU | Hi, I installed an old WinTV Primio FM on my Lenny. How will I know the device name please so I can put it into VLC? |
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| 19:10.52 | DogBoy | anyway, the way tzdata works is just wrong, I already know I'm in cst but now I need to guess what other cities are also in cst in order to set my time zone |
| 19:12.08 | justin | DogBoy: you do? |
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| 19:12.33 | justin | DogBoy: why don't you just set it to US/Central |
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| 19:13.12 | DogBoy | I mean, I don't care if houston is represented on the map or list or whatnot but living in houston do I need to know if mexico city or chicago is cst or dst |
| 19:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Web sites guess your location from your IP address. |
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| 19:14.34 | DogBoy | yes sir they do |
| 19:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | nike: Is it tagged "auto" in fstab? |
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| 19:15.11 | franta | Hi there! Today I ran in to a problem caused probably by intel's drm ... I have up-to-date lenny and after restart when it should show login line in console, monitor is in sleep mode and cannot be waken up...after loging in and starting xserver it finally wakes up... anyone has the same problem or knows some sollution/workaroud? |
| 19:16.35 | Zvpun | what program do you recommend for setting the time of an almost always online machine. aptitude show ntpdate says ntpdate is for systems that are not often online |
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| 19:16.36 | justin | Zvpun: ntp |
| 19:16.36 | DogBoy | jhutchins, I'm suggesting that the knowledge required to set the timezone is already available to the installer |
| 19:16.36 | DogBoy | it's just not implemented |
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| 19:17.32 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Not necessarily. You set up the timezone before you set up networking (in most installs); if I'm on a NAT network (as I am) I don't know my location from that. |
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| 19:18.19 | kale | does debian have a tool to create initrd that boots from lvm on luks on raid? |
| 19:18.48 | eshat | Hi all,... how do I tell X (on a sid notebook) how to behave, if a external monitor is pluged to VGA at startup ? |
| 19:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | kale: raid is evil. |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:19.13 | kale | jhutchins_lt: raid is uptime |
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| 19:19.44 | franta | please help meee:) |
| 19:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | raid is an aditional point of failure. |
| 19:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | franta: How many times have you restarted since the initial install? |
| 19:20.29 | JoshH | i'd rather replace a hard drive while the server stays running than have to restore everythign on a new hard drive, personally |
| 19:20.42 | franta | jhutchins_lt: like from the first install on that machine? |
| 19:20.57 | kale | jhutchins_lt: yes the system gets more complex, do you know if there is a tool to create an initrd to boot from lvm and luks encryption? |
| 19:21.14 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Yes? |
| 19:21.25 | franta | it's a machine that runs 24/7 so couple times...but it looks like problems with drm |
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| 19:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | kale: No, I'm just stalling for time until someone who does know shows up. |
| 19:21.41 | franta | I had etch before then upgraded... |
| 19:21.42 | DogBoy | jhutchins, I'm just saying it could work differently, I was just laughing about the timezone selector again when I installed yesterday |
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| 19:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Yeah, I don't know why I can't just type in "CST". |
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| 19:22.23 | DogBoy | it's graphical so gives the illusion of a sophistication that it doesn't have |
| 19:22.37 | DogBoy | type it in where jhutchins |
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| 19:22.43 | jhutchins_lt | DogBoy: Another point though is what if I'm in Kansas City building a server for Albuquerque? |
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| 19:23.10 | kale | will i be able to install on lvm on luks? |
| 19:23.51 | DogBoy | jhutchins, I guess you could address that too but I'm thinking code for probabilities not possibilities |
| 19:24.01 | DogBoy | that usually works best |
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| 19:24.23 | nike | jhutchins_lt: No, but it is now =P |
| 19:24.27 | jhutchins_lt | franta: If you mean "Digital Rights Management", I doubt that, it's more likely a video driver/framebuffer problem. |
| 19:24.43 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Seriously though, I've seen some wierd bugs like that just go away with a couple of rebotots. |
| 19:24.58 | franta | jhutchins_lt: I mean that fancy intel thing |
| 19:25.05 | franta | dmesg says |
| 19:25.13 | franta | [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 |
| 19:25.21 | franta | PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.0 to 64 |
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| 19:25.32 | franta | [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20060119 on minor 0 |
| 19:25.42 | vlt | kale: When installing mdadm and lvm2 to your system initrd gets altered and you can boot from lvm on raid. (I boot here from lvm on luks on raid) |
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| 19:26.18 | kale | vlt: and this happens automagically? |
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| 19:28.29 | kale | vlt: my last install (potato), was done by installing a base system, boot it, and then install the rest of the packages. but this booting would require the initrd to work from the beginning. will this happen? |
| 19:28.45 | DogBoy | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_crimgO_xQv0/Sf5KpbAS9fI/AAAAAAAABxc/RR0HS1doHO4/s400/timezone.png |
| 19:28.54 | Akufen | hm.. I created a symlink from inside a /home/user directory to /var/www/dir, but whatever I set the permissions to, the user can't get into that directory, any idea what I could be doing wrong? |
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| 19:29.19 | kale | Akufen: dont set the permissions on the link |
| 19:29.32 | Akufen | kale: I tried both though |
| 19:29.39 | Mr-R | Akufen: check users rights on dirs /var and /var/www |
| 19:29.43 | domedagen1 | I'm looking for a small yet stable distro with an easy way to manage WLAN (like wicd) and a easy installer. What can you recommend? |
| 19:29.58 | domedagen1 | By small I mean <20GB |
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| 19:30.04 | franta | ubuntu?:) |
| 19:30.06 | Akufen | Mr-R that's what I was wondering, I didn't know they cascaded.. |
| 19:30.09 | Titan8990 | domedagen1, what do you think we are going to recommend? |
| 19:30.13 | kale | domedagen1: any distro can do that |
| 19:30.16 | DogBoy | lol |
| 19:30.22 | domedagen1 | Not any distro |
| 19:30.36 | domedagen1 | I've tried a lot of distros |
| 19:30.47 | Mr-R | Akufen: with symlinks they do. hard links would not... but are only possible on files |
| 19:30.59 | domedagen1 | And <20 GB includes IRC, webrowser and Office suit |
| 19:31.00 | babilen | domedagen1: and which one did not met the aforementioned requirements? |
| 19:31.06 | Akufen | Mr-R can I let one group join another one (www-data) to solve this? |
| 19:31.09 | domedagen1 | sidux |
| 19:31.14 | domedagen1 | It has KDE |
| 19:31.35 | domedagen1 | Mandriva it took 120GB |
| 19:31.48 | babilen | domedagen1: o_O |
| 19:31.52 | Titan8990 | domedagen1, why are you still asking in here? |
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| 19:31.58 | Titan8990 | domedagen1, go to ##linux |
| 19:31.58 | Mr-R | Akufen: afaik only users can join groups. but you could try extended acls, if the filesystem permits... |
| 19:32.01 | babilen | domedagen1: Install Debian and be happy |
| 19:32.03 | domedagen1 | I need somehing like zenwalk or salix or CentOS |
| 19:32.18 | Titan8990 | domedagen1, then ask in their channels |
| 19:32.31 | Akufen | Mr-R alright thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 19:32.42 | Mr-R | Akufen: good luck! :) |
| 19:32.45 | Akufen | though acls might be a bit over the top for what I'm trying ;) |
| 19:32.52 | domedagen1 | Their channels is dead and they don't fit me |
| 19:32.58 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 19:32.59 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:33.09 | DogBoy | lol |
| 19:33.21 | abrotman | domedagen1: so use Debian |
| 19:33.32 | domedagen1 | But don't be so oskön |
| 19:33.47 | domedagen1 | Is debian less then 20 GB? |
| 19:33.49 | kale | domedagen1: then install something like that, but you asked for something easy... |
| 19:33.51 | abrotman | domedagen1: if you're not going to use Debian, you're asking in the wrong place |
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| 19:34.21 | domedagen1 | Maybe I am going to use Debian |
| 19:34.21 | kale | domedagen1: last time i installed debian it was 123megs, guess it has grown since then |
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| 19:34.37 | domedagen1 | Debain xfce? |
| 19:34.50 | domedagen1 | Would that work? |
| 19:34.53 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 19:34.56 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 19:34.56 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 19:35.17 | domedagen1 | Does Debain have a network manager? |
| 19:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Does it boot to the old kernel? |
| 19:35.22 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:35.29 | abrotman | domedagen1: why not install it and find out? |
| 19:35.35 | kale | what kernel is on the debian installer? |
| 19:35.45 | abrotman | 2.6.26 |
| 19:35.45 | domedagen1 | Because that takes more time |
| 19:35.53 | abrotman | domedagen1: then use packages.debian.org |
| 19:35.59 | domedagen1 | Why can't you just teĺl me? |
| 19:36.16 | abrotman | why can't you just look? |
| 19:36.24 | domedagen1 | But without network manager I can't use package |
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| 19:36.48 | kale | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:37.08 | domedagen1 | Stop being so osköna! |
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| 19:37.28 | debuggerboy | is /etc/rc.local used in debian while startup? |
| 19:37.31 | franta | jhutchins_lt: it boots ...but monitor is in sleep mode...after blind login and starting X server it works ... it's a remote machine so I can't do too much with it now, I need it at least somehow running :) |
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| 19:37.53 | abrotman | !tell debuggerboy about rc.local |
| 19:38.02 | domedagen1 | Franta how large is your Debain? |
| 19:38.20 | abrotman | smells something funny he thinks |
| 19:38.31 | jhutchins_lt | franta: I would guess that the rc file for the DM is not right. |
| 19:38.39 | Titan8990 | abrotman, hes been asked to move on repeatedly |
| 19:38.41 | domedagen1 | Franta! |
| 19:38.48 | debuggerboy | I have a small script to add some iptables ru;es, I want that to run each time? Can I add that script to /etc/rc.local? |
| 19:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc or somesuch. |
| 19:39.00 | franta | domedagen1: what do you want to know? I have a lot of garbage there :D |
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| 19:39.14 | jhutchins_lt | domedagen1: Debian is very customizable, so it varies in size a lot. |
| 19:39.14 | Titan8990 | debuggerboy, http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 19:39.15 | domedagen1 | Is it less then 20GB? |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | install it and find out |
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| 19:39.30 | franta | domedagen1: probably:) |
| 19:39.37 | domedagen1 | It takes time to install |
| 19:39.55 | domedagen1 | What is the name of the network manager? |
| 19:39.56 | abrotman | you'll have to do it eventually .. jsut do it and answer all your own questions |
| 19:40.02 | jhutchins_lt | I think default install size is a reasonable question, but I don't have a default desktop install to look at. |
| 19:40.05 | franta | domedagen1: it can be pretty small...you can install justa base system and then add things you need |
| 19:40.19 | jhutchins_lt | domedagen1: Most linux network managers are availble for debian. |
| 19:40.28 | debuggerboy | Titan8990: thanks |
| 19:40.33 | domedagen1 | But from the beining |
| 19:40.46 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:40.47 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:40.47 | domedagen1 | beginning |
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| 19:40.58 | franta | domedagen1: just use ubuntu it's small in your measures and it works ...:) |
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| 19:41.17 | domedagen1 | But I don't want Ubuntu |
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| 19:41.50 | abrotman | domedagen1: INSTALL DEBIAN |
| 19:41.50 | abrotman | this is getting pretty old |
| 19:41.50 | themill | domedagen1: you're in #debian. I'm going to tell you to install debian. Does that solve all your problems? |
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| 19:41.51 | franta | jhutchins_lt: I probably need some more explanation ... just give me a hint what to google so I don't bother you too much:) |
| 19:42.11 | debuggerboy | how to update lenny to use the 2.6.30 kernel ? |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | !tell debuggerboy about bpo |
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| 19:42.25 | kale | domedagen1: well, you stated your demands, any distro fits those demands. so there must be something you're not telling |
| 19:42.38 | debuggerboy | just go for apt-get install? for kernel update? |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | !tell debuggerboy about why aptitude |
| 19:42.50 | domedagen1 | Well I don't like KDE |
| 19:43.01 | Titan8990 | franta, what is your output of `uname -a`? |
| 19:43.03 | domedagen1 | I think I prefer xFce |
| 19:43.09 | abrotman | thinks there is a language problem here ... |
| 19:43.14 | domedagen1 | debain has xfce |
| 19:43.15 | Titan8990 | domedagen1, then install xfce and stop bothering us |
| 19:43.17 | Searcher6 | console is the best |
| 19:43.18 | DogBoy | .:domedagen1:. Mandriva it took 120GB |
| 19:43.20 | Searcher6 | :-D |
| 19:43.25 | domedagen1 | install xfce? |
| 19:43.26 | jhutchins_lt | franta: I dunno, I'd look through the logs and see if X is trying to start and failing or what. I'd also try starting it up with "nofb" or "vga=normal". |
| 19:43.29 | kale | domedagen1: you will finde xfce in most distros too |
| 19:43.30 | franta | Titan8990: Linux debianek 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:43.39 | abrotman | domedagen1: seriously .. just install debian .. if you're not goign to install debian, please go away |
| 19:43.44 | domedagen1 | Can't I choose it from the beginning? |
| 19:43.52 | abrotman | !tell domedagen1 about install |
| 19:43.52 | franta | jhutchins_lt: problem is that I am not starting X after boot... |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | !tell domedagen1 about ig |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | !tell domedagen1 about netinst |
| 19:44.00 | abrotman | !tell domedagen1 about grounding |
| 19:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | domedagen1: So if you know of a network manager for xfce, then yes, it's available for debian. |
| 19:44.15 | Titan8990 | franta, did you already post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:44.24 | themill | warms up the troll stamp |
| 19:44.57 | kale | domedagen1: make a minimal install, that only boots, like the netinst cd. then install whatever you need |
| 19:45.20 | debuggerboy | is it possible to upadet lenny to use 2.6.30 kernel? any one using lenny? |
| 19:45.26 | franta | domedagen1: if you don't line kde that allright install what you want... |
| 19:45.27 | abrotman | !tell debuggerboy about bpo |
| 19:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | franta: I'm not sure I understand, if it's a remote server anyway, you don't need to start X. |
| 19:45.36 | domedagen1 | But will It find the network? |
| 19:45.38 | debuggerboy | what is bpo? |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | debuggerboy: see what the bot told you |
| 19:45.47 | kale | domedagen1: yes |
| 19:46.03 | abrotman | maybe we should have beardy talk to him .. |
| 19:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | domedagen1: There is no way we can know that for you. |
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| 19:46.54 | debuggerboy | thanks abrotman |
| 19:47.31 | franta | jhutchins_lt: It's my homeserver in different town...and it is also used as net terminal so it has xserver... but problem is, that it boots allright I can ssh to it, but the monitor there is in sleep mode. If they type login name and password and type startx it starts and after that it works and when they turn Xserver off they can see console as they should see after boot |
| 19:47.35 | domedagen1 | Maybe I should install debian |
| 19:47.45 | franta | domedagen1: perhaps...:) |
| 19:48.00 | foo | A guide says to do this: /usr/sbin/setsebool -P httpd_can_network_connect=1 - what's the debian equivalent? or should I install this tool? |
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| 19:48.17 | franta | debuggerboy: you can compile it ...:) |
| 19:48.28 | abrotman | franta: he doesn't need to |
| 19:48.30 | franta | and perhaps backports? |
| 19:48.45 | franta | yea I know, but he can :) |
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| 19:48.56 | Swapper | Hi |
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| 19:49.43 | Swapper | Only little question ... does anybody know any package/shell script or program to discover duplicated emails in my Inbox? |
| 19:49.55 | debuggerboy | my only fear is that my debian is ruuning on eeepc? Today I downloaded debian lenny eeepc image. I want to update to atleast 2.6.30 |
| 19:50.21 | abrotman | Swapper: fdupes ? |
| 19:50.22 | debuggerboy | currently i believe it is 2.6.26 |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | Swapper: though i guess that assumes they would be maildir-esque, not mbox |
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| 19:50.58 | Swapper | abrotman, fdupes is for duplicated files |
| 19:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Sounds like a good secure setup to me <grin>. X doesn't have to be running for a terminal server. |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | Swapper: see what i said after that ... |
| 19:51.08 | Swapper | not for duplicated mails |
| 19:51.11 | Swapper | aoh |
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| 19:51.14 | Swapper | sorry |
| 19:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | franta: I would check dmesg and logs for errors, particularly about framebuffer. |
| 19:51.47 | jhutchins_lt | Swapper: In *nix everything is a file. |
| 19:52.10 | Swapper | I know but Inbox is a single file |
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| 19:52.23 | kale | jhutchins_lt: eth0 is a file? |
| 19:52.25 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that may be .. but if you're searching for duplicate emails in an mbox Inbox .. it's one huge file |
| 19:52.59 | dutchfish | i finally found what i was looking for ... hehe ... http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ |
| 19:53.08 | Searcher6 | anyone have any suggestions on the best linux for embeded system... |
| 19:53.11 | franta | jhutchins_lt: it's not because of security ...it's an intel atom so I don't need to keep my load on 100% all the time :D |
| 19:53.22 | abrotman | Searcher6: emdebian |
| 19:53.25 | Swapper | and it's biiig |
| 19:53.26 | Swapper | descubri el m |
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| 19:53.31 | Swapper | 737915053 oct 19 21:52 Inbox |
| 19:53.35 | kf | hello world |
| 19:53.47 | abrotman | Searcher6: please don't msg me |
| 19:53.51 | dutchfish | can anyone tell me if that in Debians xorg yet? |
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| 19:54.06 | abrotman | Searcher6: http://www.emdebian.org/ .. i don't use it, no idea, you'll have to look |
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| 19:54.15 | franta | dutchfish: if there is xorg in debian? yes. |
| 19:54.15 | Searcher6 | sorry.. i will check it out |
| 19:54.38 | babilen | dutchfish: xorg debian in it is.. |
| 19:54.46 | kf | I am havind difficulties with my amd64 squeeze : I cant install nvidiaglx without uninstalling Xorg. I waited 2 weeks or so but no fix in sight. Any temp solution out there ? |
| 19:54.46 | dutchfish | franta, sorry, i meant is mpx in debians xorg yet |
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| 19:55.03 | vlt | kale: After installing the base system (and a kernel) you should be able to boot. |
| 19:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | franta: I forgot the part about the high CPU load. |
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| 19:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Not sure what to do about the load, and I'm sorry but I just realised I'm out of time here. |
| 19:55.39 | debuggerboy | I have 3 broadband connections on a debian box. Can i use those 3 into load balanced using IPtables? VoIP on one ISP, general browsing on another ISP, VPN on the thrid? Any tutorials? |
| 19:55.43 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Good luck! Logs! acpi/apic/framebuffer! |
| 19:55.52 | kale | vlt: ok, is there an easy way to make a debian installer fit on a usb-stick? |
| 19:56.17 | abrotman | kale: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 19:56.28 | franta | jhutchins_lt: thats where in /var/log ? |
| 19:56.31 | abrotman | !tell debuggerboy about bonding |
| 19:56.46 | abrotman | debuggerboy: not sure if that's what you mean |
| 19:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | franta: Yeah, go through most of that stuff, mostly messages but others too. |
| 19:57.14 | jhutchins_lt | /var/log/messages, /var/log/* |
| 19:57.20 | vlt | kale: Yes, asj the bot. I usually install via debootstrap and then move to the final device (like encrypted raid ...) |
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| 19:59.09 | kale | vlt: ok, and last. my system has a usbkey plugged in, which contains the key for my luks encrypted layer. when i boot, it gets the key from there and i do not have to enter the key. by removing the usb-key it prompts me for the luks key. can i do something similar with the std-initrd? |
| 19:59.30 | debuggerboy | thanks abrotman its was a great help |
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| 19:59.41 | abrotman | wonders if that was sarcasm ... |
| 19:59.52 | debuggerboy | thanks everyone, have a great day! |
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| 20:00.01 | franta | I'll hope that it will stay ok till I get home :D ... |
| 20:00.09 | franta | jhutchins_lt: thanks!:) |
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| 20:00.41 | domedagen1 | Is 64bit more stable than 32bit? |
| 20:01.00 | domedagen1 | Can 64bit run 32bit programs? |
| 20:01.03 | babilen | domedagen1: no, why should it? |
| 20:01.16 | abrotman | yes, 64bit can run 32bit |
| 20:01.38 | domedagen1 | Which of these answers is correct? |
| 20:01.48 | kale | domedagen1: both |
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| 20:01.59 | babilen | domedagen1: it were answers to both questions you asked. |
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| 20:02.10 | dutchfish | domedagen1, 64bit can run 32bit, if it is more stable debepnds on the purpose, mostly equal |
| 20:02.17 | vlt | kale: I think you can pass a kernel boot param like "cryptfile=...". I don't use keys from usb. I have installed dropbear (an ssh server) into initrd and do the unlocking part from network on my servers ... |
| 20:02.18 | DogBoy | domedagen1, you heard about google eh |
| 20:02.18 | domedagen1 | Ach so |
| 20:02.36 | domedagen1 | I just pwnd the mill |
| 20:02.50 | themill | domedagen1: no, you just failed to read. |
| 20:03.13 | kale | vlt: hmmm... so that means i would have to look into the workings of the debian initrd |
| 20:03.40 | themill | domedagen1: I suggest that you go back to reading and /part until you've read the documentation you've been pointed to and actually installed debian. |
| 20:03.51 | domedagen1 | (it was ovmc |
| 20:03.54 | domedagen1 | ) |
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| 20:04.20 | domedagen1 | ovmzfc |
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| 20:04.59 | themill | domedagen1: please take a timeout from #debian and try to be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 20:05.22 | kf | !nvidia |
| 20:05.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
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| 20:06.15 | valentin_ | Is it possible to go from ext3 to lvm without deleting the whole drive? |
| 20:07.44 | dutchfish | valentin_, mostly no, only if your temp space on the drive that holds the data is less then 50% |
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| 20:08.09 | kale | valentin_: you may have to move the data in some portions |
| 20:08.13 | valentin_ | dutchfish: maybe i could split up my raid 1 |
| 20:09.01 | patrikf | you might also have some other drive lying around |
| 20:09.18 | patrikf | (which would simplify your setup in case you want a raid1 again) |
| 20:09.25 | valentin_ | patrikf: but i cant connect it to a server on an other country |
| 20:09.36 | patrikf | that might be true :) |
| 20:09.43 | valentin_ | patrikf: yes i want a raid 1 afterwards |
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| 20:10.03 | kale | valentin_: have two equally sized disks? |
| 20:10.21 | valentin_ | kale: yes set up as a mirroring raid |
| 20:10.24 | RichiH | generally speaking, are asus or LG blu-ray drives better? |
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| 20:11.28 | kale | valentin_: kick one of them, create a new raid1 on it with a disk missing (so its in a degraded state), create lvm there, transfer files, and hotadd other disk |
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| 20:12.18 | valentin_ | kale: ive never done this before and dont want to mess things up. Is there a howto ore something available? |
| 20:12.46 | abrotman | RichiH: probably better to ask ##hardware i'd think .. (and you've got too much extra money) |
| 20:13.00 | valentin_ | :-) |
| 20:13.08 | caraconan | Hi. Somebody has installed debian (squeeze or lenny) on a HP dc7700sff? I'm not able to detect the hd, but for instance I'm able to install on the same machine ubuntu server... |
| 20:13.21 | kale | valentin_: well, the manpages are a great resource, but i'm a gentoo guy, so there might be something i miss doing it on debian, so i wouldn't be the perfect guide for this project. |
| 20:13.46 | abrotman | caraconan: /msg dpkg kmuto , and try one of those |
| 20:13.48 | caraconan | I've tried with 3 different machines, also changing the hd to clonic pc... If is necessary I can give the lspci -vv output... some help? |
| 20:13.51 | valentin_ | kale how yould you kick a drive? |
| 20:14.04 | kale | valentin_: mdadm --help |
| 20:15.00 | caraconan | <abrotman> I did not understand |
| 20:16.11 | kale | valentin_: mdadm --manage --fail /dev/<device> |
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| 20:16.32 | valentin_ | thx kale |
| 20:16.53 | kale | valentin_: feel free to ask, i'll guide you best way i can |
| 20:17.12 | kale | valentin_: is this your root filesystem? |
| 20:17.12 | valentin_ | kale: thanks that would be great |
| 20:17.20 | valentin_ | yes |
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| 20:18.18 | kale | valentin_: i would boot from a livecd, since at some point you need to transfer your files. this is not a good thing to do from a running system |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | !tell caraconan about kmuto |
| 20:18.41 | valentin_ | kale: i have the rescue console i can boot into |
| 20:18.48 | caraconan | I'm still don't understanding nothing... |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | caraconan: see what hte bot told you |
| 20:19.12 | kale | valentin_: what is the rescue console? |
| 20:19.40 | valentin_ | kale: its a live distribution i can boot into provided by my root server host |
| 20:19.53 | kale | valentin_: sounds good |
| 20:20.46 | valentin_ | kale: should i do anything before i fire it up? |
| 20:20.54 | kale | valentin_: backup? |
| 20:21.06 | valentin_ | hmm yes |
| 20:21.14 | valentin_ | ill back up my domU's |
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| 20:21.26 | RichiH | abrotman: i am asking there, but no one answers. and my gf wants blu-ray |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | RichiH: tell her to do her own research! |
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| 20:21.52 | RichiH | abrotman: sure |
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| 20:22.00 | caraconan | <abrotman> now I understand. Thanks a lot |
| 20:22.07 | abrotman | RichiH: TBH, not really sure it matters, they're not super expensive, getting cheaper, and probably really all made by the same company |
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| 20:23.26 | valentin_ | kale: i think i wont be finishing this today, can you describe the process and the programms i need for this a little further? Because i think it needs further planning on my side. |
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| 20:23.54 | kale | valentin_: ok, here goes... |
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| 20:25.48 | kale | valentin_: boot into rescue environment, start raid, mount root filesystem, and other filesystems. kick one drive. mdadm --manage --fail <drive>. empty that drive. dd if=/dev/zero of=<drive> bs=1M count=1 |
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| 20:28.30 | kale | valentin_: create a partition on the drive and make the type linux raid autodetect. create the array, something like: mdadm --create --raid-devices 2 --level 1 --force --run /dev/md0 <yourdisk> |
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| 20:29.49 | mjt | anyone know if there's a way to convert an .mds/.mdf image (Alcohol120% CD image file) to plain .iso in debian or linux? |
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| 20:30.13 | valentin_ | mjt: sometimes simply renaming works |
| 20:30.23 | valentin_ | mjt: or use wine |
| 20:30.24 | mjt | "sometimes" is.. interesting |
| 20:30.32 | kale | valentin_: create lvm and a filesystem on that and mount it, then transfer files. cd <mountpoint of olddrive>;tar cfvp - *|(cd <mountpointofnewdrive>; tar xfvp -) |
| 20:30.37 | mjt | the file is not an iso, it has some header at the beginning |
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| 20:30.55 | kale | valentin_: install bootloader, boot the new drive, hotadd the old |
| 20:31.12 | kale | valentin_: thats pretty much it ... |
| 20:31.13 | jhutchins | mjt: There are converters out there for just about everythig. Google is your friend. |
| 20:31.32 | mjt | found many of these.. all for windows :) |
| 20:31.43 | mjt | ok, i'll do it in kvm :) |
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| 20:32.26 | mjt | hmm. mdf2iso ) |
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| 20:33.04 | valentin_ | kale: so youre using tar to actualy copy files, thats interesting .. i would have done something like cp -rpf /dir /newdir |
| 20:33.42 | kale | valentin_: cp -a |
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| 20:34.14 | valentin_ | kale: so whats with the tar command? |
| 20:34.42 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 20:35.44 | kale | valentin_: well, thats how i do, i guess gnu/linux is about choosing what you want, and flexibility to do it your own way, and thats my way... |
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| 20:35.55 | mjt | so, the tool to convert .mdf to .iso is iat (available for debian) |
| 20:36.10 | mjt | (mdf2iso is gone and it does not understand this format) |
| 20:37.02 | valentin_ | kale: are ther any benefits from that? I guess you could pipe it through anything .. netcat ... |
| 20:37.51 | kale | valentin_: i believe it is slightly faster, but that may come from my use when i combine it with ssh |
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| 20:38.31 | DogBoy | mjt, you tried changing the extension? |
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| 20:38.58 | mjt | DogBoy: it's pointless since the file is not an iso file *internally* |
| 20:39.19 | mjt | DogBoy: it's like asking if i tried to open a .doc file in vim by renaming it to .txt |
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| 20:39.21 | valentin_ | mjt what do you want to do if you converted it? |
| 20:39.21 | Andorin | Bosbuorus: GTFO with your spam. |
| 20:39.32 | Andorin | !ops Bosbuorus PM spam |
| 20:39.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: andorin complains about: Bosbuorus PM spam |
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| 20:39.44 | tomaw | Andorin: ta |
| 20:39.53 | iluminator101 | is there a way to block online radio ads? |
| 20:40.29 | valentin_ | streamripper and filter everything out that has a smaller filesize than 1 meg or so |
| 20:40.30 | kale | iluminator101: volume might increase, you could try to detect that |
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| 20:40.47 | iluminator101 | hmmm..... |
| 20:40.50 | mjt | Andorin: i know how an iso image looks like, and there's also such a tool like file(1) |
| 20:41.04 | Andorin | ? |
| 20:41.16 | valentin_ | :-) |
| 20:41.16 | kale | iluminator101: i believe mythtv has something similar to detect commercials |
| 20:41.17 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 20:41.21 | mjt | Andorin: ignore me ;) |
| 20:41.26 | mjt | Andorin: wrong nick :) |
| 20:41.33 | Rienzilla | is there an approved debian way of mounting NFS shares on boot? |
| 20:41.49 | Rienzilla | simply adding them to fstab doesn't seem to do the trick |
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| 20:43.39 | valentin_ | kale: thanks for your help .. ill go to bed now as it is already 23°° in Germany ;-) gn8 |
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| 20:44.23 | iluminator101 | can you someone link me to a tutorial on streamripper and fileter |
| 20:44.33 | kale | valentin_: same time here, i will not be able to help tomorrow, perhaps wednesday evening. you can find me in #gentoo |
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| 20:45.02 | iluminator101 | valentin_: can you someone link me to a tutorial on streamripper and filter |
| 20:45.19 | valentin_ | kale: thanks again for your help i realy apreciate it. |
| 20:45.28 | valentin_ | iluminator101: google is your friend :-) |
| 20:45.47 | valentin_ | just install streamripper .. its very small and will help you |
| 20:45.55 | Rienzilla | oh shoot. |
| 20:46.06 | valentin_ | alternativeley you can use streamtuner |
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| 20:46.19 | valentin_ | streamtuner is graphical webradio app |
| 20:46.24 | iluminator101 | valentin:google ha ha https://ssl.scroogle.com |
| 20:46.24 | Rienzilla | The DNS recursor is not up before the nfs mounts are attempted |
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| 20:46.53 | valentin_ | ?? iluminator101 good night ;-) and good luck |
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| 20:50.53 | wiretapped | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed is an Immutable Page but the last edit was spam |
| 20:51.09 | wiretapped | paging wiki admins |
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| 20:53.07 | technet | hi, I cannot set my screen resolution... I don't know why. It seems that my Xorg config file is missing some parameters ??? My Xorg : http://pastebin.com/m4cf428ba |
| 20:53.42 | Titan8990 | technet, what video card and driver? |
| 20:53.44 | abrotman | wiretapped: spam where ? |
| 20:54.10 | abrotman | oh, i think i see |
| 20:54.13 | technet | Titan8990, is intel graphics I think... graphics embeded in the mb |
| 20:54.38 | AimHere | Shouldn't there be fields telling xorg about your drivers? |
| 20:54.51 | Titan8990 | technet, what is the output of `xrandr`? |
| 20:55.04 | wiretapped | abrotman: the most recent edit, from oct 7 |
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| 20:55.12 | Titan8990 | AimHere, not needed with opensource drivers such as intel as of xorg xserver 1.5 |
| 20:55.31 | abrotman | wiretapped: about the essays .. i see it |
| 20:55.37 | Titan8990 | AimHere, HAL should be able to figure out the intel driver is the correct one |
| 20:55.53 | technet | Titan8990, http://pastebin.com/m2eca619b |
| 20:55.59 | wiretapped | abrotman: can you edit that page? |
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| 20:56.27 | Titan8990 | technet, sorry, i usually like xserver issue but I am not going to have time to stick around and help |
| 20:56.27 | abrotman | wiretapped: anyone can if they create a login |
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| 20:56.42 | Titan8990 | technet, post /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the rest of the channel and someone else may help |
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| 20:57.41 | technet | Xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/m3e7d8828 |
| 20:58.13 | Gm4n | I've set up a bind9 dns server on my lenny box, and I want it to just forward queries. dig @127.0.0.1 works from server, but dig @server doesn't work from elsewhere... Ideas? |
| 20:58.40 | technet | Titan8990, my vc : Intel(r)Cantiga Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS ? |
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| 21:02.22 | kale | Gm4n: make it accept connections from your local network |
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| 21:02.51 | Gm4n | kale: I think it is accepting connections, just lookups are returning blank. |
| 21:03.01 | kale | Gm4n: listen-on { 127.0.0.1; 192.168.1.1; 172.16.0.7;}; |
| 21:03.02 | wiretapped | abrotman: thanks; I fixed it. |
| 21:03.07 | Gm4n | ooooh |
| 21:03.09 | technet | someone can help me ? |
| 21:03.09 | Gm4n | thanks, kale |
| 21:03.20 | abrotman | wiretapped: yeah, but the problem was that the spammer removed a few other links |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | wiretapped: oh, you took care of that .. thank you |
| 21:04.20 | wiretapped | has edited wikis before and so took the time to find the revert button :) |
| 21:04.26 | Gm4n | actually kale, that didn't seem to work. I put it in the main options {} block |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | wiretapped: i couldn't find it, but figured there was one |
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| 21:04.57 | Gm4n | there was already a "listen-on-v6 { any; };", so I added a "listen-on { any; };" right after |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | wiretapped: oh, now i found it |
| 21:05.48 | kale | Gm4n: run tcpdump on the thing, see what happens |
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| 21:07.00 | wiretapped | yeah I'm not a big fan of MoinMoin |
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| 21:07.13 | abrotman | Ed? |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | wiretapped: i just thought it would be more apparently .. oh well |
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| 21:10.17 | joepa | I need a lightweight mta to forward incoming mail (and only do that). Any suggestions? |
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| 21:10.29 | Gm4n | kale: in tcpdump, I can see my query, and an immediate reply of refused |
| 21:10.46 | Gm4n | so the query is getting through to the server, but it's being refused |
| 21:10.59 | kale | Gm4n: add your ip, instead of any |
| 21:11.54 | Gm4n | still no go, kale |
| 21:12.11 | kale | could you paste the config? |
| 21:12.17 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 21:12.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 21:12.36 | kale | Gm4n: well, somewhere else ... |
| 21:12.42 | Gm4n | yeah, I know |
| 21:12.50 | Gm4n | I didn't know pastebin URL, so that's how I'm checking :) |
| 21:13.06 | kale | Gm4n: wgetpaste, nopaste |
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| 21:15.50 | Gm4n | kale: http://pastebin.ca/1630738 |
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| 21:18.20 | kale | i cannot find anything interesting. this is what i use: http://dpaste.com/109450/ |
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| 21:19.08 | Gm4n | thanks kale, I'll play with allow-query :) |
| 21:19.28 | simonrvn | allow-query can be limited too |
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| 21:21.46 | Gm4n | kale: that did it! allow-query { 0.0.0.0/0; }; |
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| 21:25.11 | ruben23 | hi anyne done performance tuning of kernel to optimize debian server.>? |
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| 21:26.26 | valdyn | ruben23: dont |
| 21:26.34 | jazz | hi everyone |
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| 21:26.45 | jazz | i need a little help with wlan interface |
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| 21:27.14 | beto | hello. I am building a debian box for a kiosk. How can I disable all booting messages? I would like to remove even Grub messages, how can I do this? Thanks |
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| 21:28.52 | XayOn | beto: enable splashy or something like that and set grub with pass and timeout 0 |
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| 21:29.13 | XayOn | (no pass for booting, just for editing and so) |
| 21:29.32 | dupondje | somebody else having the problem that aptitude stops showing progress ? see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 ? |
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| 21:30.20 | beto | XayOn: A few months ago i tried splashy but I had issues. Should I install it from source or via apt-get? |
| 21:30.38 | XayOn | apt-get is working for me right now on squeeze |
| 21:30.42 | helo_ | splashy is buggy... i wouldn't use it |
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| 21:31.19 | helo_ | i decided the user seeing boot messages was better than having to deal with splashy after it started locking the machine |
| 21:31.22 | somebody | I am thinking of switching from ubuntu to debian -- does the debian installer autoconfigure X, suspend/resume, etc? |
| 21:31.37 | beto | helo_: any other ideas? |
| 21:31.47 | XayOn | helo_: you're right, it's buggy, but if he want to do so... |
| 21:31.57 | XayOn | splashy or some solution like that. |
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| 21:32.17 | XayOn | beto: you can allways tell grub to use a vga not compatible with your screen lol |
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| 21:32.25 | helo_ | beto: i just gave up... so you don't want the user to know you're running linux so they will be less tempted to mess around with it? |
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| 21:33.02 | beto | helo_: thats right |
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| 21:33.20 | beto | helo_: i want it to look like an embedded system |
| 21:33.39 | beto | XayOn: do you know of any alternatives to splashy? |
| 21:33.48 | Rienzilla | beto: what about setting the console to the serial port? |
| 21:34.03 | XayOn | beto: I know there were some, but I can't remember, sorry. |
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| 21:34.13 | Rienzilla | (and - if you must - disable the VGA console entirely on kernel level) |
| 21:34.17 | lostgeek | Hi |
| 21:34.32 | lostgeek | Do you know how to list all files in an installed debian package? |
| 21:34.56 | beto | Rienzilla: that should do it... but X is needed in the real screen |
| 21:35.06 | zleap | not off hand, you need to query the package i think |
| 21:35.07 | beto | Rienzilla: what can I try? |
| 21:35.08 | streuner | lostgeek: dpkg -l |
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| 21:35.42 | streuner | lostgeek: ehm, dpkg -L <package> |
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| 21:36.02 | lostgeek | streuner: thanks |
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| 21:36.25 | somebody | I am thinking of switching from ubuntu to debian -- does the debian installer autoconfigure X, suspend/resume, etc? |
| 21:36.31 | beto | any clues to disable message echoing from Grub? |
| 21:36.36 | Rienzilla | that's no problem. The screen will work, just disable "Support for console on vga terminal" or something like that in your kernel config, set console=ttyS0 in your boot options, and set grub to use the serial port as well |
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| 21:36.46 | Absolute0 | Every once in a while the audio from a movie playing in mplayer turns into random beeps. I've only experienced this while running mplayer in debian. Any possible fixes? |
| 21:36.49 | DogBoy | somebody, quit thinking about it and do it |
| 21:37.01 | Rienzilla | that way the only way to mess around with it is actually attaching a serial terminal |
| 21:37.30 | beto | Rienzilla: i like that, i will do some research about it |
| 21:37.37 | somebody | DobBoy, just want to make sure that I don't have a gentoo-like experience with having to configure everything...;) |
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| 21:38.14 | somebody | DogBoy, just want to make sure that I don't have a gentoo-like experience with having to configure everything...;) |
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| 21:39.12 | DogBoy | somebody, what's the worst that can happen, you reinstall, big deal |
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| 21:39.28 | somebody | DogBoy i guess thats true... |
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| 21:40.36 | beto | Rienzilla: thx |
| 21:40.38 | Rienzilla | np |
| 21:40.41 | Rienzilla | good luck |
| 21:40.53 | beto | Rienzilla: can you pm me? |
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| 21:42.27 | buzzsaw | i deleated a config file on a package i installed on accadent how to i get the file again? |
| 21:44.11 | XayOn | buzzsaw: what about reinstall? |
| 21:44.16 | XayOn | dpkg --reinstall install foobar |
| 21:44.16 | dpkg | XayOn: are you using Windows? |
| 21:44.27 | XayOn | emmm... what? |
| 21:44.49 | XayOn | dpkg --reinstall install foobar |
| 21:44.49 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, XayOn |
| 21:45.18 | XayOn | so dpkg you don't like being mentioned heh? |
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| 21:46.07 | DogBoy | XayOn, it's a bot |
| 21:46.24 | XayOn | DogBoy: I know, just joking |
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| 21:46.40 | DogBoy | if you ask it about paste it will tell you in four lines not to paste more than two |
| 21:46.42 | XayOn | Is joking ok, or better to use "kidding"? |
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| 21:46.52 | XayOn | jajaja, great. |
| 21:46.57 | XayOn | dpkg paste |
| 21:46.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 21:47.35 | XayOn | funny =) |
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| 21:47.47 | flower | is it possible to install software via live cd on a non bootable debian system- |
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| 21:48.27 | DogBoy | flower, chroot |
| 21:48.32 | beto | Rienzilla: guys check this out, looks like this is what I want to do http://tinyurl.com/62v6ol |
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| 21:48.53 | buzzsaw | thanks |
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| 21:49.49 | flower | DogBoy: mmh how |
| 21:49.56 | DogBoy | man chroot |
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| 21:51.30 | Rienzilla | beto: that's it |
| 21:51.48 | Rienzilla | however, in that setup, grub will ask to press a key on both serial and vga console |
| 21:52.02 | Rienzilla | change the terminal --timeout=10 serial console to (i think) terminal serial |
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| 21:52.51 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 21:52.59 | ITXpander | hey guys |
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| 21:53.27 | beto | Rienzilla: will check |
| 21:53.33 | ITXpander | im trying to boot the debian installer on this pc, and i cant get my usb keyboard to work, tried booting with noapic nolapic and still no luck |
| 21:53.38 | ITXpander | anything else i could try? |
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| 21:53.55 | DogBoy | besides a different keyboard? |
| 21:54.08 | ITXpander | thats not an option atm im afraid |
| 21:54.14 | DogBoy | bummer |
| 21:54.20 | zleap | what has apic got to do with keyboards |
| 21:54.35 | ITXpander | nothing, just saw that as a solution for a similar problem in the mailing lists |
| 21:54.41 | zleap | ok |
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| 21:55.54 | ITXpander | weird because the kb works properly with the ubuntu and arch live cds, so i guess im just missing a module somewhere |
| 21:56.24 | luke1704 | hello, I am running Lenny stable an my computer and wonder how I could manage to install VLC 1.0? |
| 21:57.25 | DogBoy | apt-get install vlc |
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| 21:57.45 | luke1704 | this does not update to 1.0 |
| 21:57.56 | DogBoy | what does it do |
| 21:58.00 | DogBoy | heh |
| 21:58.23 | luke1704 | It's still at 0.8.6 |
| 21:58.47 | themill | luke1704: /msg dpkg stable |
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| 21:59.09 | n3lab | luke |
| 21:59.13 | n3lab | use power! |
| 21:59.21 | luke1704 | ? |
| 21:59.36 | XayOn | use the force luke! |
| 21:59.49 | XayOn | I think n3lab was referring to something like that =P |
| 21:59.57 | luke1704 | thx |
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| 22:01.16 | luke1704 | I'am wondering since OpenSuse packages are available quite a couple of months now |
| 22:01.51 | luke1704 | Is the common way to switch sources.list to unstable, then update vlc and finally go back to stable? |
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| 22:02.26 | themill | luke1704: not recommended. It *might* be possible to recompile the sid version for lenny though without too much pain, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:02.37 | n3lab | XayOn, yap)) 10x |
| 22:02.44 | n3lab | my english is bad :0 |
| 22:02.57 | lepine | A colleague of mine installed some sshlib, from source, and apparently crushed what I had from the repos. |
| 22:03.17 | lepine | It's a previous version, and a build i'm trying to make is failing. How can i crush whatever he installed? |
| 22:03.19 | krisfremen | well, if you stop using those 1337 acronyms, your english might get better |
| 22:03.26 | flower | dont understand how to make a chroot |
| 22:04.25 | luke1704 | themill, thx! This seems to be seed |
| 22:05.37 | flower | how to install software in a non bootable debian via live cd chroot= |
| 22:05.45 | beto | Rienzilla: it is almost perfect with that tutorial instructions |
| 22:06.04 | Rienzilla | nice |
| 22:06.25 | beto | Rienzilla: but the console in the monitor still shows messages after logging in |
| 22:06.45 | Selveste1 | Random stuff - Galileo: Then on Aug. 28, 1993, Galileo encountered the 15.2-kilometer-wide (9.4-mile) asteroid Ida, where it took the first images of an asteroid and discovered the first asteroid moon, the 1.6-kilometer-wide (1-mile) Dactyl. |
| 22:06.49 | beto | you said something about disabling the vga console in the kernel but i found nothing about it |
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| 22:07.24 | Rienzilla | hmm you don't necessarily need to diable support for the vga console I guess |
| 22:08.00 | Rienzilla | the fact that you still see messages is as follows |
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| 22:08.17 | Rienzilla | the kernel lines have "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,34800n8" |
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| 22:09.09 | Rienzilla | console=tty0 enables console messages to the vga console, console=ttyS0,34800n8 enables console messages to the serial ports, (at 34800 8n1, i'd recommend the default though: 9600n8) |
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| 22:09.52 | beto | Rienzilla: so removing console=tty0 should do the trick... |
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| 22:09.58 | beto | interesting, let me try that |
| 22:10.05 | Rienzilla | but |
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| 22:10.19 | Rienzilla | do you have a serial console (in case it screws up?) |
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| 22:10.52 | beto | no problem, i am doing it all over ssh |
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| 22:11.22 | beto | and in the case that screws up then i guess i'll hook up another machine to it using a serial cable |
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| 22:11.32 | beto | maybe i'll just try it for the sake of it, lol |
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| 22:13.55 | beto | Rienzilla: well it is 99.9% perfect now |
| 22:14.44 | Rienzilla | good :) |
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| 22:15.16 | beto | it still shows up "GRUB loading stage1.5." "GRUB Loading please wait..." |
| 22:15.30 | Rienzilla | yeah that's always going to be there |
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| 22:16.11 | Rienzilla | if you want that changed you'd have to recompile the grub bootloaders. I'd not recommend that |
| 22:16.15 | beto | and "Uncompressing Linux.... Ok, booting the kernel." |
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| 22:17.32 | ness | hi, I recently updated my debian testing installation, and xorg now seems to ignore my keyboad layout setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Any ideas? |
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| 22:18.09 | pawbie | What was the dedicated channel for Nvidia drivers under Linux? |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
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| 22:18.24 | beto | also, I reconfigured the innittab file to autologin with a user, and that user .bash_profile script runs startx, and that seems to be putting some text about X initialization in the screen... any way to get rid of that? |
| 22:18.27 | pawbie | Is it?... hm |
| 22:18.37 | beto | Rienzilla: |
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| 22:19.10 | Rienzilla | redirect stdout and stderr of the script to /dev/null |
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| 22:19.37 | Rienzilla | startx &> /dev/null |
| 22:19.49 | beto | Rienzilla: sweet! |
| 22:20.43 | flower | I have internet, but cant install on a nonbootable system using chroot on a live cd± |
| 22:20.45 | flower | Err http://ftp.tiscali.nl testing Release.gpg |
| 22:20.45 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.45 | flower | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release.gpg |
| 22:20.45 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.55 | flower | = |
| 22:21.10 | Rienzilla | your resolver is broken |
| 22:21.23 | flower | how to fix that= |
| 22:21.37 | Rienzilla | no idea, it could be broken for an infinity of reasons |
| 22:21.48 | Rienzilla | how do you know you have internet? |
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| 22:21.55 | pawbie | Infinity of reasons! |
| 22:22.07 | flower | amai |
| 22:22.09 | Rienzilla | ok ok the numer of reasons is not infinite :P |
| 22:22.58 | flower | suggestions? |
| 22:23.06 | pawbie | flower: ping security.debian.org |
| 22:23.50 | pawbie | flower: oh, wait, you were chrooted? |
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| 22:23.55 | flower | 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=17.2 ms |
| 22:23.57 | flower | yes |
| 22:24.12 | Rienzilla | if you chroot(), it's possible you don't have /etc/resolv.conf anymore |
| 22:24.12 | pawbie | flower: ping worked from the chroot? |
| 22:24.22 | Rienzilla | (or a different /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 22:24.54 | flower | ping: unknown host security.debian.org |
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| 22:25.10 | pawbie | flower: ping 212.211.132.32 from the chroot |
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| 22:25.50 | flower | 64 bytes from 212.211.132.32: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=17.5 ms |
| 22:26.03 | pawbie | flower: I vote Rienzilla is 100% right with his resolv.conf mentionery. |
| 22:26.30 | pawbie | (that is, go see if you have an /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 22:26.33 | flower | ok and that means? |
| 22:26.39 | flower | ok |
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| 22:27.24 | flower | I have it but seems empty |
| 22:27.38 | pawbie | flower: Check what it says on your normal system, then copy that to the chroot. |
| 22:28.10 | flower | normal system... my nonbootable one? |
| 22:28.16 | pawbie | flower: It should be pretty basic, and have a line like "nameserver 4.2.2.1" so just pico/nano/vi/gedit/whatever the chroot's /etc/resolv.conf and add that nameserver thing. |
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| 22:28.50 | pawbie | flower: you know what... forgot what I just said and just do "echo nameserver 4.2.2.1 > /etc/resolv.conf" in the chroot instance. |
| 22:28.54 | simonrvn | or just cp it over |
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| 22:33.13 | flower | there is no such file |
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| 22:34.44 | pawbie | flower: you know what... forgot what I just said and just do "echo nameserver 4.2.2.1 > /etc/resolv.conf" in the chroot instance. |
| 22:34.56 | flower | i tried |
| 22:35.41 | flower | bash: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 22:36.18 | pawbie | flower: Do you have an /etc ? |
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| 22:36.37 | flower | yes |
| 22:36.42 | themill | flower: you're supposed to be editing/creating that file, not running it |
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| 22:37.07 | flower | = |
| 22:37.23 | pawbie | flower: echo nameserver 4.2.2.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:37.53 | flower | bash: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 22:38.31 | n3lab | don't lie |
| 22:38.36 | flower | but the file seems to be threre but is empty |
| 22:38.55 | n3lab | vim /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:39.22 | n3lab | touch /etc/resolv.conf xD |
| 22:39.25 | flower | empty and can t save anything |
| 22:39.50 | n3lab | u must be root |
| 22:39.54 | flower | touch: cannot touch `/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory |
| 22:39.59 | Tramp | broken link leftover from resolvconf or somesuch? |
| 22:40.12 | flower | I think I am root |
| 22:40.14 | pawbie | hm |
| 22:40.17 | gnarface | ls --color -F is your friend |
| 22:40.18 | n3lab | u lie |
| 22:40.20 | n3lab | =)) |
| 22:40.27 | winter | judge |
| 22:40.41 | n3lab | judge dredd |
| 22:40.53 | winter | judge all |
| 22:41.12 | pawbie | I are teh lawlz? |
| 22:41.12 | gnarface | resolvconf is a pain in the ass |
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| 22:41.27 | gnarface | just make all your ip addresses satic |
| 22:41.34 | flower | for example sources.list seems to act normal |
| 22:41.38 | winter | satanic |
| 22:41.45 | gnarface | Dave Thomas would have wanted it that way |
| 22:41.57 | themill | winter, n3lab: perhaps a little less random noise in the channel |
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| 22:42.28 | winter | perhaps, sure. |
| 22:42.43 | n3lab | nobody cares. |
| 22:42.56 | beardy | Sure they do. |
| 22:43.10 | beto | Rienzilla: great, startx is sending everything to /dev/null. But after login, there is a header before the actual prompt that says the last login info, and some licensing stuff... any way to remove that ? |
| 22:43.14 | flower | ... |
| 22:43.35 | themill | flower: what does "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf" show (inside the chroot) |
| 22:43.50 | beto | Last login: Mon Oct 19 18:20:05 2009 from 200.100.100.211 |
| 22:43.50 | beto | Linux terminal 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 26 04:10:16 UTC 2008 i686 |
| 22:43.50 | beto | The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; |
| 22:43.50 | beto | the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the |
| 22:43.50 | beto | individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. |
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| 22:44.02 | gnarface | haha |
| 22:44.06 | flower | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2009-09-01 16:12 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 22:44.22 | n3lab | o_O |
| 22:44.22 | themill | flower: and does /etc/resolvconf exist? |
| 22:44.34 | pawbie | Oh, it is a link. :\ |
| 22:44.36 | gnarface | resolvconf == ftl |
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| 22:44.41 | gnarface | static ip ftw |
| 22:44.49 | beto | pasting that kicked me, lol |
| 22:45.03 | beardy | beto: Yes, use a pastebin to paste things. |
| 22:45.12 | beto | sorry |
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| 22:45.24 | themill | gnarface: you're not actually helping... and most of my machines don't use static IP configuration because they have to move around from place to place and that makes no sense |
| 22:45.28 | beto | Rienzilla: did u got my message? |
| 22:45.29 | flower | themill yes |
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| 22:45.41 | Hoxzer | What tools would you guys to recommend to block password guessers? I want my system to do following if too many attempts occur: Email me, Close port 22 (from internet), Reactivate the login in certain period of time. |
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| 22:46.10 | Rienzilla | euhm |
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| 22:46.22 | gnarface | themill: you're a master of the obvious |
| 22:46.33 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, investigate "denyhosts". |
| 22:46.39 | Rienzilla | echo "" > /etc/motd.tail |
| 22:46.40 | themill | flower: can you pastebin: find /etc/resolvconf/ |
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| 22:46.53 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: Does that block IP ranges ? |
| 22:46.55 | quagga | Hoxzer: a good password for starters. i also like ossec |
| 22:47.02 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, No, nor should you. |
| 22:47.08 | Hoxzer | kk. |
| 22:47.12 | beto | Rienzilla: will try |
| 22:47.19 | beardy | Hoxzer: Use keys only. Run sshd on a different port (that is not a good solution but stops most noise). Fail2ban is one way, but IMO not good. You can block with iptables after a number of connection attempts within a certain time. |
| 22:47.20 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, More than X invalid logons from an IP, and that IP gets added to denyhosts. |
| 22:47.22 | Rienzilla | that's not all |
| 22:47.23 | SUNNYNARULA18 | i am writing a postinst script for a deb and i need to get answers to some basic yes/no questions in it ,the terminal based read -p"would you like...?" works with dpkg but on using the right click install via file manager it doesnt , how to launch a new terminal and then execute commands in my script in that terminal |
| 22:47.32 | Rienzilla | the last login string is printed by PAM I believe |
| 22:47.46 | flower | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2ca8f5df |
| 22:47.49 | themill | SUNNYNARULA18: user interaction during postinst should be done using debconf |
| 22:47.59 | The2morrowMan | beardy, Running sshd on a different port amounts to security by obscurity - which isn't security at all. |
| 22:48.00 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: Eh... |
| 22:48.07 | beardy | The2morrowMan: Do you read? |
| 22:48.08 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: Not very effictive. |
| 22:48.18 | themill | flower: that's from inside the chroot? |
| 22:48.26 | SUNNYNARULA18 | ok where do i get a short how to or tutorial on debconf |
| 22:48.29 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, extremely effective, actually. Cut down drastically on the brute-forcing on my end. |
| 22:48.34 | flower | yes |
| 22:48.38 | beardy | I said exactly that. |
| 22:48.39 | beto | PAM? that is the password checking program, right? |
| 22:48.40 | Rienzilla | uhm, make that rm /etc/motd.tail; echo "" > /etc/motd |
| 22:48.52 | The2morrowMan | beardy, Call it reiteration, but that solution isn't even worth a mention. |
| 22:49.17 | themill | SUNNYNARULA18: /msg dpkg debconf ; there's a debconf-doc packate that does what it says on the tin too. |
| 22:49.33 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: Yeah, but the cracker can just use proxies/zombies |
| 22:49.36 | winter | beardy |
| 22:49.36 | SUNNYNARULA18 | thank you |
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| 22:49.54 | dondelelcaro | it's trivial to locate which port sshd is running on |
| 22:50.05 | beto | Rienzilla: cool, now it only shows the last login info |
| 22:50.08 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, There's no way to get around that. And the moment that someone malicious realizes that your solution is to lock the machine down, they effectively DDoS you. I would. |
| 22:50.35 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: :-( |
| 22:50.36 | dondelelcaro | The2morrowMan: you actually should consider just using fail2ban |
| 22:50.46 | flower | ... |
| 22:50.47 | beardy | None of you read apparently. I'm disappointed. |
| 22:50.59 | The2morrowMan | beardy, Aww. Go cry. |
| 22:51.10 | The2morrowMan | dondelelcaro, What's the difference between fail2ban and denyhosts? Curiosity. |
| 22:51.28 | The2morrowMan | dondelelcaro, On the surface, they seem to do the same thing. |
| 22:51.37 | Hoxzer | The2morrowMan: I mostly have local connection to my server so that wouldn't be too big of a problem |
| 22:51.48 | winter | is not |
| 22:51.49 | winter | lulz |
| 22:51.56 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 22:51.57 | themill | The2morrowMan: denyhosts can leave hosts.deny in an absolutely horrendous state. fail2ban also monitors logs for other daemons if you want it to |
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| 22:52.16 | The2morrowMan | I don't normally allow denyhosts to modify hosts.deny. I have it use a separate file. |
| 22:52.24 | dondelelcaro | The2morrowMan: I've actually not used denyhosts, but fail2ban handles any daemon which writes authentication requests to a logfile |
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| 22:52.34 | The2morrowMan | Hoxzer, Having your intrusion detection plan as "lock the machine down" is a Bad Idea. |
| 22:52.37 | quagga | Hoxzer: is there are reason you're aren't using password protected ssh keys? i may have missed it |
| 22:52.40 | beardy | And it's slow as suryp. |
| 22:53.01 | flower | ... |
| 22:53.07 | winter | ghh |
| 22:53.13 | The2morrowMan | dondelelcaro, Ahh. That would be a reason. I might investigate it further, thank you. |
| 22:53.29 | ex-parrot | hi all.... can someone tell me quickly if pinning like so is a supported way to pin the priority of all lenny packages: Pin: release v=5.0 |
| 22:53.37 | pipeline | ex-parrot: yes |
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| 22:54.02 | pipeline | ex-parrot: but it would be pin: release a=stable |
| 22:54.08 | ex-parrot | thanks pipeline |
| 22:54.13 | ex-parrot | what about when I'm running etch and want to pin lenny packages? |
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| 22:54.17 | Hoxzer | guagga: Don't want to have keys saved in my university network. |
| 22:54.24 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: not suggested; best to upgrade to lenny. |
| 22:54.39 | ex-parrot | sigh, I am beginning to think maybe I should :( |
| 22:54.51 | Hoxzer | :P oke, not very good reason. |
| 22:55.02 | themill | flower: "ls -l /etc/resolvconf/run" gives? |
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| 22:55.22 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: you don't need to; I personally use a key to load the keys, and agent forwarding when I need it |
| 22:55.31 | ex-parrot | dondelelcaro: is upgrading between releases a recommended thing? I've never really tried it, always done a fresh install in the past |
| 22:55.45 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: yes, it's the recommended thing |
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| 22:55.57 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: that's really one of the strong points of Debian |
| 22:56.00 | Hoxzer | I login from trivial computers: Dad's/mom's laptop/PC or mobile phone or computer in my university. |
| 22:56.02 | flower | ls -l /etc/resolvconf/run |
| 22:56.02 | flower | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2009-09-01 16:12 /etc/resolvconf/run -> /lib/init/rw/resolvconf |
| 22:56.12 | ex-parrot | okay, I will raise it with the customer. thanks dondelelcaro :) |
| 22:56.14 | flower | themill: |
| 22:56.38 | dondelelcaro | (I've got machines which have gone from potato to lenny; others probably have machines which have gone through more releases than even that) |
| 22:56.48 | Hoxzer | Usually from anywhere who I trust not to be evil. Well you're going to say "omg they can have keyloggers in them" |
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| 22:57.18 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: any machine you log in from could conceivably take over the machine you're logging in to |
| 22:57.36 | dondelelcaro | (key loggers aren't required) |
| 22:58.01 | themill | flower: I presume that you don't have /lib/init/rw with a tmpfs mounted on it inside the chroot, so this is probably the issue. |
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| 22:58.41 | flower | themill: mmh |
| 22:58.58 | flower | themill: howto fix that |
| 22:59.02 | dondelelcaro | flower: the typical way this is done is to bind mount |
| 22:59.04 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i have the one machine that's like your potato->lenny one :). |
| 22:59.16 | simonrvn | "how to" |
| 22:59.26 | ex-parrot | thank you everyone, looks decidedly straightforward to move etch -> lenny |
| 22:59.39 | ex-parrot | goes away to read changelogs |
| 22:59.42 | simonrvn | it is |
| 22:59.45 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: yeah, just read the release notes; that's the main thing to check |
| 22:59.55 | ex-parrot | :) |
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| 23:00.11 | whitehead | hello ppl |
| 23:00.16 | flower | dondelelcaro: bind mount'? |
| 23:01.28 | themill | flower: for the purposes of fixing this chroot so you can then boot it properly, moving the /etc/resolv.conf symlink out of the way and making your own file would probably be the easiest. |
| 23:02.05 | Hoxzer | dondelelcaro: Yeah. |
| 23:02.17 | whitehead | i'd like to watch the events in /var/log in real time, is there an app to do it? i dont want tail -f & friends, can be gtk/kde/web server w mysql. |
| 23:02.24 | flower | themill: this is a part issue I have... I tried to fix grub error 15 |
| 23:02.53 | themill | grub error 15 File not found This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK. |
| 23:02.57 | Hoxzer | dondelelcaro: There is always a risk. |
| 23:03.13 | flower | themill: I need the chroot to install grub |
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| 23:03.45 | simonrvn | said "or you could just cp it" about half-hour ago .... |
| 23:04.19 | flower | themill: how to remove that symlink |
| 23:04.25 | simonrvn | 18:28 < simonrvn> or just cp it over |
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| 23:04.38 | flower | simonrvn: how |
| 23:04.38 | themill | you'd need --remove-destination it seems |
| 23:05.45 | simonrvn | what do you mean "how?" ? using cp (and include the --remove-destination) |
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| 23:05.54 | planet8 | I am running Mercurial on Debian Lenny, and its in the danish translation, I hate when programs display in non-english. There is no i18n files, is there a way to change this? |
| 23:06.00 | simonrvn | don't you know basic unix commands? |
| 23:06.24 | flower | yeah but you want me to cp from system to chroo |
| 23:06.25 | flower | t |
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| 23:06.59 | simonrvn | oh no :P |
| 23:07.25 | simonrvn | planet8: LANG=C command is helpful |
| 23:07.42 | flower | I have no experience with chroot |
| 23:08.11 | planet8 | simonrvn, thanks |
| 23:08.45 | simonrvn | flower: you'd do this outside the chroot, obviously |
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| 23:09.26 | flower | simonrvn: sorry I don t see how |
| 23:10.04 | flower | how do I specify the destination |
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| 23:11.51 | flower | cp /mnt/debian/etc//resolv.conf /chroot? |
| 23:12.17 | flower | typo... |
| 23:12.35 | flower | but I don t see how to specify the destination |
| 23:13.38 | planet8 | simonrvn, do u know if it is possible to use the lang command only for a specific package? |
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| 23:13.55 | flower | :/ |
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| 23:15.19 | flower | and I don't know how to use --remove-destination |
| 23:15.25 | flower | exactly |
| 23:15.27 | planet8 | simonrvn, never midn |
| 23:16.31 | ivanov | hi all, how do i add character into filename with rename command? |
| 23:16.31 | flower | simonrvn: = |
| 23:16.31 | flower | ? |
| 23:16.41 | dondelelcaro | ivanov: depends on which rename, but if it's the perl one, rename '$_=qq($_lotsofcharacters)' foofilename; |
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| 23:17.32 | flower | themill: = |
| 23:17.35 | flower | ? |
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| 23:17.56 | simonrvn | flower: it's just a regular cp command: cp --remove-destination src dest |
| 23:18.12 | dondelelcaro | ivanov: man rename; for details |
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| 23:19.31 | flower | simonrvn: can you give the complete command? |
| 23:21.15 | flower | maybe itÅ regular for you, not for me |
| 23:22.04 | flower | what do you mean with src and dest |
| 23:22.09 | flower | ? |
| 23:22.21 | Rienzilla | rm /path/where/you/chroot/etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:22.32 | Rienzilla | cp /etc/resolv.conf /path/where/you/chroot/etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:22.45 | Rienzilla | chroot /path/where/you/chroot |
| 23:22.49 | Rienzilla | ping www.google.com |
| 23:22.53 | Rienzilla | rejoyce |
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| 23:23.22 | flower | where is my chroot? |
| 23:23.37 | Rienzilla | how should I know, you were the one that told us you were in a chroot |
| 23:24.03 | flower | I did chroot /mnt/debian |
| 23:24.24 | Rienzilla | well, then your chroot is /mnt/debian |
| 23:24.31 | flower | mmh ok |
| 23:24.35 | Rienzilla | make sure you exit the chrooted shell first |
| 23:24.54 | flower | yep thanks I am newbie on this |
| 23:27.59 | flower | Rienzilla halleluja! |
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| 23:30.05 | flower | mmh now fix grub error 15 |
| 23:32.28 | flower | can I put the grub on hda0 via chroot ? |
| 23:33.05 | flower | or should I use just normal mode on a live cd |
| 23:33.26 | Rienzilla | update-grub ? |
| 23:33.40 | Rienzilla | (within the chroot) |
| 23:33.58 | flower | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
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| 23:35.37 | flower | is that ok? |
| 23:36.04 | flower | (I installed grub-legacy) |
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| 23:38.26 | Rienzilla | uhm |
| 23:38.44 | Rienzilla | i'm not sure what it should output exactly, and I'm not going to try now on my own systems |
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| 23:39.01 | Rienzilla | but if doesn't err, you can try rebooting and see if it did the trick |
| 23:39.05 | flower | Ok thanks for your help |
| 23:39.09 | flower | night |
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| 23:47.05 | sway | i'm tired of breaking things |
| 23:47.32 | jaggz | my essid keeps being set to an old essid.. where in the world is it coming from, and how do I fully restart networking withought rebooting? I've used etc/init.d/networking and the ifup-down and wpa-ifupdown and everything, but my network won't take my etc/network/interface wpa settings anymore |
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| 23:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: Did you try configuring it with a GUI? |
| 23:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: You've probably got some sort of hotplug thing going on. |
| 23:52.30 | jaggz | I tried installing wicd or wfcd .. I've removed it since.. |
| 23:53.50 | jaggz | I usually just config with the interface files .. I tried installing wifi-radar .. removed that today too -- I found it has an entry in init.d/wifi-radar and a config file which had that old key in it.. but I don't see an rc link to it |
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