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| 00:09.36 | jaggz | wow, var/cache has a debug file with wireless configs logged in it |
| 00:10.56 | DogBoy | can you paste it in here |
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| 00:14.02 | johni | hello everybody , quick question how can I remove su from a debian installation? |
| 00:14.14 | johni | what is the package that contains it? can I just delete su from the disk? |
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| 00:17.53 | verblendet | hi, curlftp stops working with files >2gb, is there an update for lenny stable? |
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| 00:19.23 | crazy2k | [ 533.830024] usb 4-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 <---- Does anyone know what these errors mean? |
| 00:19.31 | verblendet | curlftpfs --, sucks! |
| 00:19.37 | crazy2k | (full dmesg output here: http://pastebin.com.ar/5412) |
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| 00:25.53 | karmatronic | men ,when did deb install turn so slow! |
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| 00:26.36 | Artnez | what's the best way to monitor memory usage by process? |
| 00:26.50 | karmatronic | Artnez: top ? |
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| 00:27.39 | Artnez | karmatronic: how can i navigate up/down in it? |
| 00:28.27 | Artnez | i see bunch of root processes, but i'm looking specifically for how much apache and mysql are taking up |
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| 00:28.30 | Artnez | *processes running as root |
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| 00:29.09 | jaggz | johni, I wonder what that might break.. well, dpkg -S `which su` |
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| 00:29.33 | karmatronic | Artnez: <> |
| 00:29.35 | The2morrowMan_ | jaggz, Why don't you simply set su as non executable? |
| 00:29.42 | macrobat | Artnez: install htop. its a beautiful tool |
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| 00:30.12 | macrobat | conf with F2 |
| 00:30.14 | Artnez | macrobat: ah, just what i was looking for, thanks |
| 00:30.53 | simonrvn | karmatronic: slow install? o_O |
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| 00:31.17 | jaggz | The2morrowMan: You need to learn to focus on the present |
| 00:31.18 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Um, why are you suggesting making su nonexec. That would break things badly. |
| 00:31.26 | teekay_ | Hello |
| 00:32.26 | The2morrowMan | karsten, i was responding to a question. The other solution offered was to delete it. And for some reason, it seems that that was some time ago... There's some oddness going on with my connection. |
| 00:32.39 | ZenWalker | nas |
| 00:32.44 | karsten | The2morrowMan: OK |
| 00:32.47 | simonrvn | johni: WTF would you remove su? |
| 00:32.48 | ZenWalker | no se pueden eliminar ficheros en una busqueda del nautilus? |
| 00:32.51 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Still a bad suggestion. |
| 00:33.05 | The2morrowMan | karsten, Any worse than DELETING it? Didn't think so. |
| 00:33.06 | karsten | ZenWalker: English |
| 00:33.13 | karsten | !es ZenWalker |
| 00:33.21 | markybob | because in #debian, two wrongs make a right |
| 00:33.24 | simonrvn | !es |
| 00:33.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:33.24 | ZenWalker | sorry |
| 00:33.27 | jaggz | someone wanted to delete it |
| 00:33.40 | johni | simonrvn, why do I need it? I can use just sudo |
| 00:33.41 | The2morrowMan | karsten, I know full well that it's a bad idea. This is by far not my first trip around the sun. |
| 00:33.43 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Oh, only for all the utilities and scripts which expect to be able to use su. |
| 00:33.48 | jaggz | I said it might break things and told him how.. what better friend can I be? |
| 00:33.49 | teekay_ | fun |
| 00:33.50 | johni | simonrvn, more security |
| 00:34.04 | simonrvn | johni: bad thinking. |
| 00:34.09 | jaggz | the2omorrow said another option would be to change perms |
| 00:34.14 | The2morrowMan | karsten, Learn to read. See johni's mindset. |
| 00:34.32 | simonrvn | johni: that would *not* increase security. |
| 00:34.36 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Having made a few such journies myself, the proper response is "why the f*ck would you want to do that?" |
| 00:34.46 | simonrvn | that would just break things. |
| 00:34.48 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Thanks, I'm studying reading now. |
| 00:35.03 | jaggz | Personality! |
| 00:35.05 | The2morrowMan | karsten, I know full well how much it will break things. This is by far not my first trip around the sun. Get off your fucking high horse. |
| 00:35.19 | karsten | The2morrowMan: Dude, you're harshing my buzz. |
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| 00:35.32 | jaggz | boys. |
| 00:35.34 | The2morrowMan | karsten, Then go shed a few tears for you and your buzz, then come back. |
| 00:35.35 | intx | something is broken with iptables/NAT all of a sudden, i have no clue what it is, just that NAT gets really slow. |
| 00:35.36 | themill | The2morrowMan: please try to make more of positive contribution to the channel. |
| 00:35.41 | simonrvn | high horse? heh |
| 00:36.22 | markybob | i just hope he stops with the "around the sun" comments. once was enough. |
| 00:36.26 | karsten | simonrvn: Unfortunately, I had to sell the high horse a few years ago. I've only got a mildly toasted one now. |
| 00:36.48 | simonrvn | karsten: i figured you had a low horse, pony sized |
| 00:36.49 | johni | simonrvn, can you give me some arguments? |
| 00:37.21 | simonrvn | johni: tail /var/log/auth.log for about 20 minutes |
| 00:37.21 | karsten | simonrvn: He's not low, he's vertically challenged. |
| 00:37.47 | simonrvn | heh, and built like an ox, right? |
| 00:38.00 | The2morrowMan | themill, And you want to talk to me about contribution? |
| 00:38.09 | The2morrowMan | Debian: Great OS. Shitty community. |
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| 00:38.19 | simonrvn | boohoo |
| 00:38.25 | karsten | sheds a tear. |
| 00:38.32 | karsten | ...or would that be tearing a shed? |
| 00:38.51 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 00:39.14 | karsten | johni: How much 'Nix experience do you have, exactly? Your choice of units: minutes, hours, or days. |
| 00:39.33 | johni | simonrvn, do not see anything about su... I just removed permissions to the file for others and groups |
| 00:39.57 | karsten | johni: su is *mostly* used to *decrease* root's privileges when running stuff as other, less priviliged, usesers. |
| 00:40.05 | johni | karsten, there is always something new to learn about linux everyday. never done linux admin in the past so I kinda new to this |
| 00:40.13 | jaggz | how can I figure out what's setting my essid? somehow my networking broke .. it's incredible |
| 00:40.19 | simonrvn | johni: pam_unix(su:session): session opened for user Debian-exim by (uid=0) |
| 00:40.42 | karsten | johni: Running su requires root password. Generally not a good idea to hand that again. Privilege domains do need to be changed, there are several ways of doing this. su, sudo, and setuid are among the more common. |
| 00:40.44 | jaggz | I manually changed interfaces when trying to get a link to my cellphone to work.. then I put back the old wpa2, functional, interfaces file.. but I can't get networking to come back up properly |
| 00:41.18 | simonrvn | johni: so instead of doing something you think will add to "security", how about you learn about administrating a *nix box *first*? |
| 00:41.29 | karsten | johni: I've been playing this game for a little over 22 years. Debian for over ten. I've picked up a couple of things going along. |
| 00:41.33 | jaggz | the key isn't being set either.. but I see wpa_supplicant running after I ifup eth1 |
| 00:42.03 | jaggz | oh the count of 2, everyone prove yourselves. 1... 2. |
| 00:42.40 | jaggz | oh, 2morrow left.. he was okay.. you guys are just sensitive |
| 00:42.49 | karsten | johni: Truth is, su is a pretty useful and generally required bit of the security infrastructure of a properly running Linux box. |
| 00:43.07 | johni | karsten, point taken, will leave it alone |
| 00:43.10 | markybob | jaggz, you might be surprised. most of us know each other for quite a long time. that's what happens when you're in the same irc channel for 10+ years |
| 00:43.23 | simonrvn | "we're" sensitive? |
| 00:43.26 | karsten | johni: So, the next question is: what are you trying to do, and/or why? |
| 00:43.37 | jaggz | hahaha simon |
| 00:43.43 | simonrvn | btw, you're in the channel too, that we includes you. ;) |
| 00:43.56 | karsten | markybob: I can't claim that kind of seniority. Only been here since around 2001. |
| 00:44.08 | jaggz | it's probably a good trait if you know what thought is |
| 00:44.53 | johni | just trying to remove the chance of the system being accidentally destroyed, I am trying to minimize the number of packages installed on a system and ways to break in. I need to run java apps on top, so any minimal system would do it |
| 00:45.19 | simonrvn | minimal doesn't mean broken ;) |
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| 00:45.50 | johni | karsten, I have been playing with debian for few years now but as I said I was never an admin |
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| 00:46.12 | karsten | johni: leave su in. Use sudo and tune it to your needs. Disable remote password logins, AFTER you set up SSH keys. Possibly limit IP ranges from which you allow SSH connections. Minimize active services. Watch that you don't install any compromised web/network based apps or scripts. |
| 00:46.13 | jaggz | johni, ever been successful in hacking root using su while using debian as a normal user? :) |
| 00:46.41 | karsten | johni: It's a philosophy, takes a while to get sorted. No worries. |
| 00:47.13 | johni | karsten, thanks for your advice. appreciate it :) |
| 00:47.18 | jaggz | how do I really restart networking? |
| 00:47.31 | karsten | johni: java's got a pretty good VM model, though it's not bulletproof. |
| 00:47.41 | karsten | johni: Are you local or remote on the box? |
| 00:47.42 | simonrvn | hands jaggz an invoke-rc.d |
| 00:47.49 | karsten | jaggz: |
| 00:48.04 | karsten | johni: mishandled, nm. |
| 00:48.11 | johni | karsten, remote .... |
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| 00:48.18 | karsten | johni: got screen? |
| 00:48.25 | johni | ? |
| 00:48.28 | simonrvn | s,handl,tabb, |
| 00:48.33 | johni | karsten, not sure what you mean |
| 00:48.34 | init1rwx | is there a way to know if someone is packet sniffing me or monitoring my wireless connection using a tool? |
| 00:48.42 | karsten | johni: .. and/or a remote console (eg: serial console or IPMI/ILOM console)? |
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| 00:49.10 | johni | karsten, yeap |
| 00:49.14 | karsten | johni: Nevermind. |
| 00:49.23 | karsten | jaggz: are you local or remote on the box? |
| 00:49.39 | karsten | init1rwx: Not reliably. |
| 00:49.58 | karsten | init1rwx: Safest assumption is "yes", ergo: secure your channel if you're concerned about it. |
| 00:50.11 | jaggz | local |
| 00:50.17 | init1rwx | karsten - if i limit the number of dchp ips to the exact # of computers on my network can someone still listen in even if they aren't allocated an ip? |
| 00:50.30 | jaggz | never used invoke or update-rc.d .. reading now.. |
| 00:50.45 | karsten | jaggz: ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 00:50.57 | karsten | jaggz: Or /etc/init.d/networking stop; /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 00:51.26 | karsten | jaggz: If you're remote, you'd want to invoke that within screen, otherwise you shut down networking, hten promptly lose the channel, host never comes back up. That can be annoying. |
| 00:51.34 | karsten | jaggz: remote console makes it less annoying. |
| 00:51.35 | jaggz | networking script goes down and up way too fast.. like it bypasses the wpa stuff I need |
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| 00:51.53 | karsten | jaggz: wpa isn't handled by ifupdown generally. |
| 00:52.04 | karsten | jaggz: /etc/network/interfaces is what ifupdown is using. |
| 00:52.26 | jaggz | ifdown and up also go fast.. but if I specify ifup eth1 it comes up slowly and strace [-f] shows it runs wpa and sends the right commands (I guess).. but iwconfig shows an old key there.. it's really weird |
| 00:53.14 | jaggz | I haven't the vaguest idea where it's getting this old key from.. a key from a month ago |
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| 00:53.24 | jaggz | before switching from wep to wpa2 |
| 00:53.49 | simonrvn | config file? cached data? |
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| 00:54.06 | init1rwx | i wonder if someone can "monitor" signals or in promiscuous mode without being alloacted an ip address on my netowrk |
| 00:54.34 | jaggz | must be a config file.. I grepped all of /etc and found it in /etc/wifi-radar.conf so I removed that package (I was trying that gui before) .. I haven't restarted the system since though.. |
| 00:54.48 | jaggz | I've restarted a few times during this.. it's really whacky |
| 00:54.56 | markybob | init1rwx, yes. this is how people crack wep/wpa/etc |
| 00:54.59 | jaggz | just wish I knew what was going on and why it started failing in the first place. |
| 00:55.21 | jaggz | oh, I did remove network-config-gnome and -kde as well |
| 00:55.30 | jaggz | that was recommended by apt system when I installed wicd |
| 00:55.43 | init1rwx | markybob - looking into ethernet over power lines alternatives and get rid of wireless if thats the case |
| 00:56.14 | markybob | init1rwx, you can do it with wired, too. this is why there's ipsec |
| 00:56.42 | init1rwx | ipsec can prevent wireless entries too? |
| 00:56.42 | jaggz | packets are going through the air.. I'm not even sure why people have to select an SSID |
| 00:56.55 | jaggz | maybe for security cards are designed to have some limitations |
| 00:57.11 | markybob | init1rwx, yes, but there's more overhead |
| 00:57.17 | init1rwx | thats fine |
| 00:57.22 | init1rwx | i'll read up on ipsec |
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| 00:57.50 | init1rwx | is it like an addtional layer in the osi model? |
| 00:58.06 | DynamicPink | I'm running Debian Squeeze and trying to install something via Wine. There is a message "Could not load Mozilla. HTML rendering will be disabled." Shouldn't there be a symlink to Iceweasel somewhere? |
| 00:58.29 | jaggz | "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truckload of cassettes." |
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| 00:59.07 | markybob | init1rwx, sort of. it's like having ssl between all computers |
| 00:59.26 | init1rwx | the overhead is noticeable in RX/TX speeds? |
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| 01:00.09 | markybob | init1rwx, no, but your cpu use will be higher. if that's not a problem then you should be fine |
| 01:00.25 | init1rwx | and lastly, is it operating system independant? |
| 01:00.43 | markybob | init1rwx, yes. even windows can use ipsec |
| 01:00.50 | jaggz | I can't find an example.. what's the basename for invoke-rc.d ? |
| 01:00.56 | init1rwx | thanks markybob |
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| 01:02.02 | jaggz | your electrical lines output EM waves too |
| 01:04.19 | jaggz | reinstalls wpasupplicant |
| 01:04.35 | jaggz | oh, no I don't.. no networking for it to reconnect |
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| 01:04.44 | jaggz | heh |
| 01:05.13 | superjoe | is there any reason moving a window around on my screen would cause a buffer underrun in alsa with new squeeze updates? |
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| 01:05.31 | superjoe | hmm I think if my cpu usage gets over like 15% it causes a buffer underrun |
| 01:05.38 | superjoe | what's the deal? |
| 01:06.38 | gnarface | i think i've seen that in quake wars |
| 01:06.47 | KC | Are there any publishing tools for linux that fall somewhere between LaTex (which i don't have it in me to learn) and Open Office? |
| 01:07.09 | superjoe | KC: gedit? |
| 01:07.14 | KC | Gimp might work, but it only generates image files. |
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| 01:07.50 | superjoe | if I just scroll in a web page it makes a bunch of clicking sounds |
| 01:08.01 | KC | gedit is a text editor... not a publishing tool, i need adifferent size fonts and images and all that |
| 01:08.14 | superjoe | I KNEW I shouldn't have installed the latest updates |
| 01:08.18 | gnarface | KC: how about inkscape? |
| 01:09.12 | KC | same issues as gimp really |
| 01:09.51 | gnarface | which issues? |
| 01:10.10 | KC | its meant for generating images |
| 01:10.13 | superjoe | oh god the audio goes insane if I compile something |
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| 01:11.05 | KC | I can turn it into a PDF via cups-print, but it'll be an oversized PDF that lacks copy/paste function. |
| 01:11.35 | jaggz | you probably connected your speaker line to the cpu bus |
| 01:11.58 | superjoe | that would certainly explain it |
| 01:12.06 | superjoe | I don't even know what to google for |
| 01:12.23 | KC | Hrm, I suppose if I combine inkscape for the weirder text bits, then combine with the main essays in open office I'd get it done... |
| 01:12.27 | KC | yeah that'll work |
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| 01:12.32 | KC | thanks |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | KC: scribus |
| 01:13.31 | jaggz | kc, inkscape and scribus and openoffice draw |
| 01:13.47 | KC | scribus! I forgot about that |
| 01:14.04 | superjoe | it's almost like... alsa is set to process the buffer only if the cpu is completely idle |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | scribus is much closer to a desktop publishing app than inkscape |
| 01:14.05 | jaggz | but inkscape for the vector art creation |
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| 01:15.00 | jaggz | scribus has been around a while but still needs a lot of growth .. it was far from stable when I tried it earlier this year |
| 01:15.22 | gnarface | can't you make rtf docs in emacs? |
| 01:15.26 | jaggz | css2 is seriously retarded and offensive |
| 01:15.29 | superjoe | there's got to be someone here who has experienced this same behavior with squeeze |
| 01:15.39 | sway | :/ |
| 01:15.39 | sway | please, stop. |
| 01:15.58 | jaggz | stop what? |
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| 01:17.51 | abrotman | superjoe: what is your window manager? |
| 01:17.59 | superjoe | abrotman: metacity |
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| 01:18.41 | sway | are your feelings hurt or something? |
| 01:19.15 | sway | they're just puzzles to me |
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| 01:19.41 | superjoe | xserver has absolutely nothing to do with sound, correct? |
| 01:19.56 | abrotman | superjoe: it still takes CPU time |
| 01:20.36 | superjoe | right, okay. 'cause I'm using a sid package for that |
| 01:20.41 | superjoe | but not for anything to do with audio |
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| 01:20.56 | gnarface | i used to have a problem a lot where if i was alt-dragging a window it would stop my mp3 playback |
| 01:21.09 | superjoe | gnarface: that sounds familiar. what was the problem? |
| 01:21.42 | gnarface | i assume for performance reasons the window manager was defaulted to not do any updates to windows while you were rearranging the windows |
| 01:22.09 | superjoe | regardless of performance - CPU usage should not cause buffer underruns |
| 01:22.20 | gnarface | well, for something like xmms or audacious that often means that stopping the display also stops the audio |
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| 01:22.32 | gnarface | just because (i think) of how their thread handling is set up internally |
| 01:22.35 | superjoe | that is not true |
| 01:23.01 | gnarface | well i dunno but it stopped happening when i checked "update windows while resizing/scaling" or something like that in the menu |
| 01:23.11 | superjoe | I see |
| 01:23.12 | superjoe | thanks |
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| 01:23.27 | superjoe | however that is not the issue here. clearly a bug was introduced in the latest updates |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | so you have that button unchecked ? |
| 01:24.09 | gnarface | does it happen with *every* video/audio playback program? |
| 01:24.13 | gnarface | how many have you tried? |
| 01:24.14 | superjoe | yes |
| 01:24.17 | gnarface | i'd try some console ones too |
| 01:24.22 | gnarface | like mpg321 |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | yes to me or him ? |
| 01:24.29 | gnarface | or oggdec |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | or sox ? |
| 01:24.41 | gnarface | sure |
| 01:24.44 | superjoe | it happens with ANYTHING that goes through alsa |
| 01:24.44 | gnarface | or aplay |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | superjoe: so you unchecked the box he mentioned ? |
| 01:25.07 | superjoe | and *any* cpu usage whatsoever causes a large amount of buffer underruns |
| 01:25.14 | superjoe | where is this box? |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | in an igloo? |
| 01:25.27 | superjoe | what the hell? |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | i'm kidding! |
| 01:25.37 | superjoe | :) |
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| 01:26.13 | gnarface | well you can assume that any intense opengl game is likely to have a few buffer underruns if its not in the focused window and you're doing other stuff |
| 01:26.24 | gnarface | right? |
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| 01:27.06 | superjoe | okay I don't think you understand - I can be streaming audio from any application. If CPU usage goes over 10%, the audio cannot keep up |
| 01:27.13 | superjoe | there is clearly something wrong here |
| 01:27.18 | superjoe | and where the hell is that box |
| 01:27.50 | gnarface | superjoe: what is this hardware anyway? |
| 01:28.10 | superjoe | intel laptop |
| 01:28.24 | superjoe | debian has great support for it |
| 01:28.39 | gnarface | you said you were using alsa? |
| 01:28.41 | superjoe | yes |
| 01:28.51 | module000 | superjoe: you don't have pulseaudio going also do you? |
| 01:28.58 | superjoe | let's find out |
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| 01:29.10 | gnarface | superjoe: leading cause of audio problems with alsa is pulseaudio |
| 01:29.23 | gnarface | the second leading cause is sucky documentation for the ~/.asoundrc file |
| 01:29.38 | superjoe | holy cow, why was pulseaudio even installed? |
| 01:29.47 | superjoe | let's see if this does the trick |
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| 01:30.12 | module000 | superjoe: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/19/0155235/PulseAudio-Creator-Responds-To-Critics?art_pos=1 |
| 01:30.16 | gnarface | it is better at auto-configuration i think, historically and therefore gets installed by default if you install "Desktop" options from the debian install |
| 01:30.18 | gnarface | right? |
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| 01:30.33 | module000 | gnarface: yea |
| 01:30.49 | superjoe | MoDaX: pulseaudio was NOT the issue. it wasn't even running |
| 01:30.53 | superjoe | oops, I meant module000 |
| 01:31.07 | gnarface | always skips the preset installs |
| 01:31.20 | module000 | superjoe: well, you can keep researching what it is, or try OSS4 |
| 01:31.34 | module000 | superjoe: but troubleshooting alsa itself and it's interaction with your hardware is a little tough over irc |
| 01:31.35 | superjoe | is OSS coming back in style? |
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| 01:31.43 | gnarface | module000: does OSS4 have surround sound support? |
| 01:31.55 | module000 | gnarface: couldn't tell you, i don't have surround sound =( |
| 01:31.55 | gnarface | superjoe: do you have a ~/.asoundrc file? |
| 01:31.59 | superjoe | gnarface: no |
| 01:32.10 | superjoe | that file is useless IMO |
| 01:32.17 | gnarface | it *sometimes* isn't |
| 01:32.21 | superjoe | haha |
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| 01:32.36 | gnarface | if your problem is having too low of a default setting for your audio device buffers, for example |
| 01:32.42 | superjoe | even if I'm not streaming audio, if I scroll in a web page or move a window around, I hear clicking |
| 01:33.07 | superjoe | gnarface: they might have changed the default buffer size. can I increase it with asoundrc? |
| 01:33.16 | gnarface | your'e sure it's not a window manager sound effect? |
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| 01:33.36 | superjoe | YES |
| 01:34.20 | gnarface | yes you can superjoe but i suck at alsa |
| 01:34.20 | module000 | superjoe: #alsa |
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| 01:34.20 | superjoe | k |
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| 01:35.03 | module000 | also www.alsa-project.org, check known-bugs, FAQ, wiki, and support mailing list |
| 01:35.29 | superjoe | whoa, whoa |
| 01:35.37 | superjoe | it is absolutely metacity's fault |
| 01:35.39 | DogBoy | trying to setup a static ip address but this network setting widget thing always goes back to roaming on (whatever that is) and dhcp |
| 01:35.44 | superjoe | I am compiling something and it is fine |
| 01:35.48 | DogBoy | on lenny |
| 01:35.55 | superjoe | it is actually using a scrollbar that causes the problem |
| 01:36.17 | superjoe | gnarface: I apologize - you were correct in asking that |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | DogBoy: probably n-m interfering |
| 01:36.40 | superjoe | DogBoy: set it up in /etc/network/interfaces and don't use networkmanager |
| 01:36.49 | superjoe | I recommend that for static IPs |
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| 01:37.40 | DogBoy | yes well, I did that actually |
| 01:38.04 | DogBoy | but I find now that /etc/network/interfaces has been changed back to dhcp |
| 01:38.25 | superjoe | DogBoy: you need to actually uninstall NetworkManager |
| 01:38.33 | module000 | DogBoy: disable the start-up script for network-manager, and work directly with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:38.43 | DogBoy | ah |
| 01:39.19 | DogBoy | k, let's see |
| 01:39.42 | DogBoy | but anyway, why would there be an option in n-m for setting a static ip address but it won't let you |
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| 01:39.46 | DogBoy | lol |
| 01:40.03 | gnarface | always prefers text file configs |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | DogBoy: put /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf in a pastebin |
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| 01:41.12 | superjoe | DogBoy: n-m can be a little overzealous sometimes |
| 01:41.19 | DogBoy | cat: /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.19 | DogBoy | well seems to me it's more like just wrong |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | DogBoy: is there a GUI installed on this machine ? |
| 01:43.47 | DogBoy | yes there is |
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| 01:49.52 | abrotman | DogBoy: and that GUI is ? |
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| 01:56.36 | DogBoy | that worked, disabling n-m and setting it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:57.20 | DogBoy | seems like I've had this problem before, I guess not too many people try to do static ip with the gui |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | that's not hte issue |
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| 02:00.38 | wolfear | I just replaced Mint with Debian Lenny...2 questions: 1. how do i get Nautilus to use 1 window instead of opening a new one every time (cause I keep getting a bazllion every time I navigate the file system). I can't find a setting for that; and 2. can I enable a double click "automount" similar to what I had under Mint so I can import from my other partitions? I'm fairly certain it something simple I over looked. |
| 02:00.55 | DogBoy | what is the issue abrotman |
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| 02:02.14 | abrotman | DogBoy: n-m being overzealous .. you could configure n-m to do what you want, or just disable it .. you chose the later |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | latter |
| 02:02.41 | DogBoy | maybe, I couldn't see how to do it in the gui |
| 02:03.01 | DogBoy | I'm not sure what's meant by overzealous either |
| 02:03.29 | Rezagrats | Does anyone know how to turn off caps lock via an application or through the terminal ? (i can't turn off caps lock without keeping the light on my keyboard on(it's sad i know... >_>; )) |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | Rezagrats: and this is an issue ? |
| 02:04.36 | Rezagrats | I keep the system on during the night and my dad is a frikkin hawk. |
| 02:04.50 | abrotman | you don't think he'll notice the LED on the front or the whir of the fan ? |
| 02:04.53 | module000 | Rezagrats: unplug it? |
| 02:05.45 | Rezagrats | Abrotman, the fans are almost unnoticeable under the noise from the fan in my doorway... but he can notice a light REAL quick. |
| 02:05.50 | jmarsden | Rezagrats: Black electrical tape over the LED ? |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | Rezagrats: unplug the keyboard .. jeez |
| 02:06.12 | Rezagrats | Module000, it's plugged into the back of the machine which is hard to access. |
| 02:06.22 | wolfear | Razgarats: does the caps lock key not work? |
| 02:06.25 | module000 | Rezagrats: tape it...or flip it over? |
| 02:06.34 | Rezagrats | It works backwards, wolfear. |
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| 02:06.54 | wolfear | oh...ack. Check the keyboard setup |
| 02:06.58 | Rezagrats | I "turn it off" and it's like it's on and vice versa. |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | Rezagrats: so uh .. turn on the capslock and the light goes off ? |
| 02:07.10 | Rezagrats | Yeah ^ |
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| 02:07.16 | DogBoy | take the keyboard apart and disable the led |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | Rezagrats: no .. do that .. |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | Rezagrats: you're not using the keyboard .. does it really matter which state the capslock is in? |
| 02:07.33 | DogBoy | then if it's mentioned.. it burnt out |
| 02:08.05 | DogBoy | abrotman, I'm still curious how I would use n-m to do a static ip |
| 02:08.13 | abrotman | DogBoy: configure it ? |
| 02:08.27 | Rienzilla | lol |
| 02:08.33 | DogBoy | meaning what? |
| 02:08.50 | Rienzilla | you could make a knightrider like walking-light with your numlock, capslock and scrollock lights to make things more fancy |
| 02:08.53 | abrotman | run the n-m applet .. configure it |
| 02:08.58 | Rezagrats | Well, tbh, i screwed it up somehow when i used Synergy and had caps lock on when i used my main machine's keyboard and used my other keyboard to reconfigure Synergy. >.< |
| 02:09.05 | DogBoy | I did that abrotman |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | Rezagrats: so just hit the caps lock and turn it on |
| 02:09.10 | DogBoy | it was not working |
| 02:09.12 | DogBoy | as I said |
| 02:09.24 | DogBoy | every time I rebooted it was back to dhcp |
| 02:09.28 | wolfear | Dogboy: Are you trying to set a static LAN IP behind a router? |
| 02:09.37 | DogBoy | yes wolfear |
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| 02:09.46 | Rezagrats | Thanks for the input guys/gals. i gtg (it's late and there's school tomorrow) |
| 02:10.04 | module000 | ..."man setleds" would have done it |
| 02:10.04 | wolfear | Can you dong the router itdelf for the static IP? |
| 02:10.13 | wolfear | *config |
| 02:10.17 | DogBoy | I could do it a bunch of different ways |
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| 02:10.28 | DogBoy | I'm asking about how to do it with n-m |
| 02:10.50 | module000 | DogBoy: ubuntu? |
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| 02:10.56 | DogBoy | I got it working now actually and abrotman suggested I could have done it with n-m, I'm curious what he's saying |
| 02:11.05 | DogBoy | no, debian lenny module000 |
| 02:11.30 | wolfear | Let me open mine real quick...might be able to help |
| 02:11.32 | module000 | DogBoy: when you run n-m...do you have root priveledges? that comes to mind as a reason it's not saving settings |
| 02:11.35 | DogBoy | but I remember having the same problem with ubuntu which I would think would be no surprise |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | DogBoy: are you saying the nm applet has no option to have it be static ? |
| 02:12.06 | DogBoy | no, I set it in n-m, it won't let me run it without root password |
| 02:12.13 | DogBoy | when I reboot it's back to dhcp |
| 02:12.15 | module000 | DogBoy: it has optionst for static...butyou are saying it ignores them right? (ie...right click, "edit connections", select connection, "edit", click "ipv4" tab) |
| 02:12.18 | DogBoy | I set it to static |
| 02:12.37 | DogBoy | I set it up in n-m but when I reboot it's back to dhcp |
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| 02:13.16 | DogBoy | I had the impression that this was a fairly well known problem |
| 02:13.20 | DogBoy | but I guess not |
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| 02:14.19 | DogBoy | it's just a retorical question really |
| 02:14.43 | DogBoy | I got it working by disabling n-m and setting it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:14.43 | wolfear | Dogboy: I set mine via router first (to make sure the router knows which comp to allocate ( i have several towers), then, in NM, under " Hosts" should be able to add the static IP with the system identifier (computer name) |
| 02:15.42 | DogBoy | but then abrotman was saying I could have done it with n-m and I'm curious what he meant |
| 02:15.50 | DogBoy | because I don't think you can actually |
| 02:15.53 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 02:16.05 | abrotman | DogBoy: you don't think you can set a static IP with nm? |
| 02:16.15 | DogBoy | yes I don't think you can |
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| 02:16.37 | abrotman | i can here |
| 02:16.44 | DogBoy | and when you reboot? |
| 02:16.52 | wolfear | I may be confused....this is the gui for network you are looking at? |
| 02:17.05 | DogBoy | I was able to here as well, but it was back to dhcp when I rebooted |
| 02:17.36 | DogBoy | yes wolfear |
| 02:18.06 | DogBoy | system/administration/network on the menu |
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| 02:18.19 | necra88 | hello |
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| 02:19.23 | wolfear | then just need to set the IP you want in the "Host" tab AND make sure your router is set to a Static IP for that system. once you set the IP in Hosts, it should work |
| 02:19.27 | abrotman | DogBoy: i don't have a wired connection available |
| 02:19.47 | wolfear | I'm on wired |
| 02:19.50 | DogBoy | I was just taking exception to your statement earlier abrotman |
| 02:20.05 | DogBoy | it's not a big deal, but you asserted that I could have taken another route |
| 02:20.13 | patricio7075 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.15 | patricio7075 | ç |
| 02:20.17 | DogBoy | but I think that's not true |
| 02:20.28 | abrotman | DogBoy: i'm telling you the option is there to configure it .. i've never tried it, static IPs are a PITA for a home use network |
| 02:20.30 | patricio7075 | quien esta conectado??????????? |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | !es |
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| 02:21.00 | abrotman | DogBoy: i thought you were saying you didn't see the option to make it static |
| 02:21.08 | DogBoy | abrotman, I knew already the option was there, my issue was after changing it to static ip and rebooting it's back to dhcp |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | awesome |
| 02:21.25 | DogBoy | I think there is a bug with the app is what I'm saying |
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| 02:21.42 | DogBoy | I'm pretty sure I've read about it somewhere too |
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| 02:22.28 | wolfear | I use static IP all the time in my network cause I hate guessing when I do SSH. I set my router to static IP and the rest is pretty much gravy. |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | wolfear: you could use winbindd and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 02:22.47 | DogBoy | yea everything here is static too |
| 02:22.59 | abrotman | if you feel like being samba-ish |
| 02:23.06 | markybob | wolfear, uh, really? that's why you use static? why not ssh via hostname? |
| 02:23.09 | DogBoy | except for the odd thing that uses the network |
| 02:23.24 | DogBoy | lol |
| 02:23.31 | DogBoy | so many chefs |
| 02:23.34 | wolfear | abrotman: true, but easier for me to set my router and edit my /etc/hosts |
| 02:24.11 | DogBoy | wolfear, what do you mean you set it on your router? |
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| 02:24.35 | abrotman | wolfear: easier is subjective i suppose .. |
| 02:25.06 | wolfear | markybob: I use IP b/c I have a mix of Linux & Winblows and the system Ident is not always usuable by my router |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | wolfear: that's what the winbindd is for |
| 02:26.12 | wolfear | as you said...easier is subjective. that's what works for me. YMMV |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | maybe you should try it! |
| 02:26.46 | DogBoy | samba is a bit slower than nfs too |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | it's not for file transfers |
| 02:27.17 | DogBoy | it is for me |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | well, he didn't say it was |
| 02:27.38 | DogBoy | yea, but then everybody is offering their perspective |
| 02:27.44 | DogBoy | I threw mine is as well |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | what? no NIS? |
| 02:28.20 | DogBoy | what for |
| 02:28.25 | wolfear | it's all good. there are many ways of getting there. The journey makes it interesting. |
| 02:28.59 | DogBoy | wolfear, you set your router to not do dhcp? |
| 02:29.10 | DogBoy | I'm still confused about what you mean about the router |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | DogBoy: to do name resolution ? |
| 02:30.01 | DogBoy | I could see how that would be handy on a big lan |
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| 02:30.06 | DogBoy | but a home network? |
| 02:30.08 | wolfear | I have a Lynksys router..it allows setting static IP or dhcp |
| 02:30.29 | wolfear | i have servers running on my LAN so static was needed |
| 02:30.55 | DogBoy | sounds like you have it setup just like mine then wolfear |
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| 02:32.30 | abrotman | static isn't needed |
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| 02:32.53 | DogBoy | depends how you look at it |
| 02:33.00 | wolfear | I'm running an OpenSim server using DynDNS for my external...static is essential |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | no, it's really not needed |
| 02:33.03 | markybob | no. |
| 02:33.10 | DogBoy | it's a computer, of course there are different ways to do it |
| 02:33.12 | markybob | it's not needed, period. abrotman is right |
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| 02:33.24 | abrotman | DogBoy: that may be .. but it's not *needed* |
| 02:33.32 | DogBoy | what are we arguing about |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | i thought so .. |
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| 02:34.09 | wolfear | didn't know anyone was agruing....i'm always open for new views and insights. thats how we learn |
| 02:34.35 | DogBoy | me too, I'm wondering what the point of the remarks are |
| 02:34.53 | Rienzilla | god this takes forever :( |
| 02:35.11 | Rienzilla | copying 20GB of maildir with a gazillibillion of small files :( |
| 02:36.14 | wolfear | I am mail server impaired...tried them in the past and cannot get them to work. That is one service I gladly pay for |
| 02:36.25 | DogBoy | yea |
| 02:36.30 | DogBoy | used to do it myself too |
| 02:36.36 | DogBoy | more hassle than it's worth |
| 02:38.03 | wolfear | can do just about anything else I need, but not that. but my needs are fairly small in the larger scheme of things |
| 02:38.38 | DogBoy | I didn't have any trouble doing it, it was just way more hassle than it was worth |
| 02:38.43 | DogBoy | fun for a while though |
| 02:39.04 | Rienzilla | I don't really see the fun in mail server administration tbh |
| 02:39.14 | DogBoy | yea exactly my point |
| 02:39.27 | Rienzilla | you need to use more and more evil shady methods to keep spam out while letting legit mail in |
| 02:39.35 | DogBoy | exactly |
| 02:39.39 | wolfear | you got that right |
| 02:39.54 | abrotman | Rienzilla: i recently did 50GB |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | Rienzilla: i believe the finally time was about six hours |
| 02:40.25 | Rienzilla | yeah that sounds about right |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | wait .. that can't be right .. it must have been about five .. it was still too long |
| 02:40.58 | Rienzilla | it's been rsynching for a good five hours, and now everything has to fly through a migration script once more |
| 02:41.30 | Rienzilla | terribl |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | Rienzilla: FWIW, you could let the client deal with spam :) |
| 02:42.34 | Rienzilla | haha |
| 02:42.40 | Rienzilla | not anymore, really :) |
| 02:42.54 | Rienzilla | I give them the option though :-) |
| 02:44.16 | wolfear | so..does anyone know how to enable "automount" in nautilus under Lenny? This "cannot mount volume" is driving me nuts and I do not need them in my fstab file cause once it's imported, won;t need it but occasionally. |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | wolfear: are you in the plugdev group? |
| 02:45.09 | wolfear | I do not know. I can check |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | wolfear: and what kind of filesystem is on the device in question ? |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | and why the heck do you use static IPs? |
| 02:45.31 | DogBoy | lol |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | hides behind markybob |
| 02:45.53 | wolfear | 1 system is ext3 the other is ntfs, both on same tower. |
| 02:46.01 | abrotman | both with the same issue ? |
| 02:46.06 | markybob | :P |
| 02:46.54 | wolfear | yeah..Nautilus tells me cannot access. worked fine when I had Mint installed |
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| 02:47.34 | gnarface | static ip's are awesome |
| 02:47.41 | DogBoy | totally |
| 02:48.10 | abrotman | wolfear: i thought you were going to find out |
| 02:48.33 | wolfear | what was I finding out? |
| 02:48.39 | wolfear | oh...group |
| 02:49.03 | wolfear | there is no "plugdev" listed in groups |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | is your /etc/groups or in your 'groups' ? |
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| 02:51.08 | wolfear | i checked the gui in system, I guess I can check the file |
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| 02:53.10 | wolfear | i am listed in the /etc/group file for plugdev |
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| 02:54.45 | abrotman | if you type 'groups' in the console |
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| 02:55.13 | wolfear | shows me there |
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| 02:55.51 | abrotman | if you try to mount it from the console, what happens ? |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | or from a terminal .. which ever |
| 02:57.53 | wolfear | well..it mounts but #$%^& root BS can't view it |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | root BS ? |
| 02:59.01 | wolfear | unless I'm root I don;t have permissions |
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| 03:00.01 | wolfear | I can't mount a user, had to su |
| 03:00.08 | wolfear | *as a user |
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| 03:01.14 | markybob | god i hate people |
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| 03:01.39 | wolfear | marky: if I fax you a beer, maybe? |
| 03:02.02 | markybob | wolfear, can you make it a jack and coke? :P |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | jack and diet |
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| 03:02.27 | wolfear | marky, I wish I could, we'd both be happy campers |
| 03:02.36 | wolfear | oh....3 happy campers |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | wolfear: why don't you have permissions? mount point? device node ? |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | not three .. no jack and coke forme |
| 03:03.26 | gnarface | markybob: pulseaudio? |
| 03:03.52 | markybob | fuck pulseaudio. worthless piece of shit..waste of time, cause of headaches...pointless bs |
| 03:04.09 | gnarface | thanks :) |
| 03:04.17 | wolfear | abrotman: I do not know. I replaced Mint with Lenny this afternoon (not my first time in Debian, tho). but this has me stumped. |
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| 03:05.05 | abrotman | wolfear: if you try hte mount from the command line, what's the error ? |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | understands the static IPs now .. |
| 03:05.24 | markybob | haha |
| 03:05.31 | wolfear | If I'm root, no error. |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | so uh .. what are the errors when mounting as a regular user? |
| 03:06.13 | wolfear | my point is....I need ot be able to mount without havingto open a terminal |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | thinks the troubleshooting process is much more difficult when people don't answer questions ... |
| 03:06.59 | wolfear | when regualr user says : mount: only root can do that |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | using what ocmmand ? |
| 03:07.43 | gnarface | wolfear: to accomplish this in most cases you still need to use a terminal to put the correct configs in place |
| 03:07.53 | gnarface | and to read the errors you're getting |
| 03:08.02 | wolfear | commmand I used in terminal: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /temp |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | wolfear: ls -ld /temp/ |
| 03:08.57 | gnarface | wolfear: lsmod |grep ntfs |
| 03:09.25 | abrotman | gnarface: it works for root ... |
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| 03:09.38 | abrotman | (neverminding that he probably really wants ntfs3g) |
| 03:10.18 | gnarface | well fuck man then you just need to add your user to the disk group i htink |
| 03:10.20 | gnarface | think |
| 03:10.35 | wolfear | kk...just saw a goof on my part, but still same issue....retried using: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/wolfear/temp |
| 03:10.55 | gnarface | it says what when you say that? |
| 03:11.00 | gnarface | what does it output? |
| 03:11.03 | gnarface | permission denied? |
| 03:11.10 | wolfear | and accordingto what I was reading, it should read ntfs & ntfs-3g |
| 03:11.12 | abrotman | uhm ... no |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | you don't want a regular user in the disk group |
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| 03:11.50 | gnarface | well fair enough you don't want a regular user mounting or unmounting anything at all |
| 03:12.01 | abrotman | gnarface: that's not what it allows |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | wolfear: ls -l /home/wolfear/temp/ |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | and what kind of nick is wolfear anyways ... |
| 03:12.22 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm sorry then is there a group for it like 'cdrom' ? |
| 03:12.32 | abrotman | /nick pigfoot |
| 03:12.46 | wolfear | I need to be able to access my other partitions (ntfs & ext3) from Nautilus. so Lenny will not allow this without going thru terminal? |
| 03:12.56 | abrotman | wolfear: yes, but it needs to be setup |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | erm |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | wolfear: ls -ld /home/wolfear/temp/ |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 03:15.04 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 03:15.08 | abrotman | if you want to be really lazy :) |
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| 03:17.13 | wolfear | wolfear-desktop:/home/wolfear# ls -ld /home/wolfear/temp |
| 03:17.13 | wolfear | drwx------ 1 root root 8192 2009-10-16 12:03 /home/wolfear/temp |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | root owns the mount point ... |
| 03:17.29 | wolfear | yeah..i see that |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | you shouldn't bve running around doing everything as root :) |
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| 03:17.49 | wolfear | O don;t want rot to won the mount points of my backups |
| 03:18.00 | wolfear | *don't want root |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | no kidding ... |
| 03:18.44 | wolfear | thats my issue....how do I mount my backups without need ing to flip to root? |
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| 03:20.14 | abrotman | as your normal user: mkdir ~/ntfs_test/ ; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/wolfear/ntfs_test/ |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | does that make a difference ? |
| 03:20.52 | wolfear | In Mint, could "sudo" for a temp mount to my file system during the session. I'll give that a try, abrotman |
| 03:21.27 | wolfear | still says only root can do that |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | wolfear: did you read what the bot said above ? |
| 03:23.39 | wolfear | is "dpkg" the bot? |
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| 03:23.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:24.31 | yipstar | i just installed a new etch xen instance, and when trying to apt-get install openssh-server i get this error: ] |
| 03:24.33 | yipstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.33 | yipstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.34 | yipstar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.56 | yipstar | sorry about the paste |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | yipstar: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 03:25.26 | wolfear | I did see that. if I wanted to add it to fstab, I would have been done ages ago. I do not need it mounted continously. Altho, I guess, If I gotta, I gotta |
| 03:25.38 | yipstar | here's that error pasted: http://pastie.org/661553 |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | wolfear: noauto is useful |
| 03:25.56 | abrotman | yipstar: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 03:26.11 | yipstar | and there's my sources.list http://pastie.org/661555 |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | yipstar: 1) you want etch/updates (not stable/updates) 2) you CANNOT use lenny-backports with etch |
| 03:26.53 | wolfear | abrotman: I will admit, I am not familiar with the ins & outs of fstab. I just assumed if it was listed there, it got mounted. |
| 03:26.55 | yipstar | thank you abrotman |
| 03:27.40 | abrotman | yipstar: then 'aptitude update; aptitude install openssh-server' |
| 03:27.56 | yipstar | abrotman: should i not be using apt-get? |
| 03:28.04 | abrotman | !tell yipstar about why aptitude |
| 03:28.32 | yipstar | abrotman: thanks for the info |
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| 03:31.29 | yipstar | where can i read up on what should be in my sources.list file? |
| 03:31.47 | yipstar | is there a standard file for a given version? |
| 03:31.56 | nsadmin | man 5 sources.list |
| 03:33.35 | yipstar | nsadmin: ty |
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| 03:41.16 | wolfear | <pounds head on desk> I just need to mount 2 partitions long enough to move some files and I do not want hem owned by "root". Why can Nautilus do this in Mint and not Debian? I don;t want to add to my fstab...is that the only way I'm going to get access to my files? |
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| 03:41.38 | abrotman | debian is not nearly as automagic as ubuntu/mint |
| 03:41.55 | tarzeau | hej abrotman |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | and if you need to copy files to them, you have to use ntfs3g anyways |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: hiya |
| 03:42.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: isn't it .. like 5am there? |
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| 03:42.31 | abrotman | eh .. 6am |
| 03:42.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, i was out yesternight with my hair dresser to bierhalle wolf, another bar, and then another (two with concerts) until like midnight, and just fell out of bed at 4 am :) |
| 03:43.03 | tarzeau | showered, washed, hung the xmas deco in the garden |
| 03:43.10 | tarzeau | and a picture in my bathroom |
| 03:43.11 | abrotman | heh .. time to go to work! |
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| 03:43.25 | tarzeau | i got too much time and money being single for the moment, hehe |
| 03:43.31 | iandoh1 | hey can anyone help me |
| 03:43.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: bah too early, i usually go at 9 to work :) |
| 03:43.37 | abrotman | iandoh1: just ask |
| 03:43.41 | iandoh1 | i need to enable the 2nd output on the X server |
| 03:43.46 | iandoh1 | the s-video out of my graphics card |
| 03:43.46 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 03:43.52 | tarzeau | or grandr |
| 03:44.04 | iandoh1 | server:~# xrandr |
| 03:44.04 | iandoh1 | Can't open display |
| 03:44.04 | iandoh1 | server:~# grandr |
| 03:44.04 | iandoh1 | -bash: grandr: command not found |
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| 03:44.16 | abrotman | not as root ... |
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| 03:44.28 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 03:44.37 | iandoh1 | damn it got booted |
| 03:44.40 | abrotman | iandoh1: not as root |
| 03:44.49 | abrotman | you got booted for flooding the channel |
| 03:44.52 | iandoh1 | yes |
| 03:45.05 | iandoh1 | im only accessing via SSH as its a server I have here but I dont have a monitor connected |
| 03:45.11 | iandoh1 | and i was hoping to use the tv as a monitr |
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| 03:47.11 | iandoh1 | should i edit x.conf |
| 03:47.53 | simonrvn | why would you edit xorg.conf to run xrandr? |
| 03:48.25 | iandoh1 | xrandr doesnt work |
| 03:48.31 | iandoh1 | cant open the display |
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| 03:49.28 | nsadmin | iandoh1 echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:49.28 | simonrvn | that's got nothing to do with xorg.conf but which user you're trying to run it as, and/or your DISPLAY environment variable isn't set properly. |
| 03:49.44 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 03:49.44 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 03:50.16 | abrotman | hugs pseubodot |
| 03:50.28 | iandoh1 | server:~# echo $DISPLAy |
| 03:50.31 | iandoh1 | shows nothin g |
| 03:50.44 | tarzeau | iandoh1: just run it as user |
| 03:50.50 | nsadmin | if the Y is capitalized, that's the problem |
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| 03:51.00 | iandoh1 | i did captialise it |
| 03:51.10 | iandoh1 | shows blank then moves to the next line |
| 03:51.20 | tarzeau | iandoh1: because you're root, as abrotman already said |
| 03:51.52 | nsadmin | so, your DISPLAY being blank is the reason you can;t run the apps, or at least it's along the chain of causes |
| 03:52.01 | iandoh1 | iandoh@server:~$ echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:52.06 | iandoh1 | shows nothing |
| 03:52.17 | tarzeau | iandoh1: that's remote? |
| 03:52.23 | tarzeau | iandoh1: did you ssh without -X ? |
| 03:52.34 | tarzeau | nsadmin: ns as is nextstep or nameserver? |
| 03:52.43 | iandoh1 | not sure |
| 03:52.52 | iandoh1 | i dont have a monitor connected to it at all |
| 03:52.57 | tarzeau | iandoh1: disconnect and try with -X |
| 03:53.09 | nsadmin | neither, spock! |
| 03:53.16 | iandoh1 | what does -x mean |
| 03:53.25 | tarzeau | iandoh1: -X, you can read it up in man ssh |
| 03:53.35 | iandoh1 | im using a windows machine to ssh using putty |
| 03:53.38 | nsadmin | man ssh and see (it's not x it's X) |
| 03:53.49 | tarzeau | iandoh1: even there you can tick some option to enable x forwarding |
| 03:54.01 | nsadmin | hmm, you didn't say that before... |
| 03:54.26 | gnarface | thought you had to change /etc/ssh/sshd_conf no? |
| 03:54.29 | tarzeau | nsadmin: he'll need an x server too on his windows... |
| 03:54.43 | tarzeau | gnarface: not needed, by default |
| 03:54.51 | iandoh1 | ok ive enabled x forwarding |
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| 03:55.01 | tarzeau | iandoh1: try xrandr/grandr again then |
| 03:55.07 | iandoh1 | iandoh@server:~$ echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:55.07 | iandoh1 | localhost:10.0 |
| 03:55.23 | nsadmin | that's the display on the server machine itself |
| 03:55.28 | tarzeau | server is a horrible name for a host |
| 03:55.33 | iandoh1 | xrandr gives me cant display |
| 03:55.40 | tarzeau | nsadmin: because he doesn't have xmingw32 :) |
| 03:55.48 | iandoh1 | its server because of ispxp |
| 03:55.50 | iandoh1 | ispcp* |
| 03:55.51 | nsadmin | well |
| 03:56.02 | tarzeau | or whatever the xorg for windows was called |
| 03:56.39 | iandoh1 | andoh@server:~$ xrandr |
| 03:56.39 | iandoh1 | Can't open display localhost:10.0 |
| 03:56.43 | nsadmin | at this point I'd be asking why he can't try working around this, preferring command-line stuff rather than x |
| 03:56.44 | iandoh1 | iandoh@server:~$ grandr |
| 03:56.44 | iandoh1 | -bash: grandr: command not found |
| 03:56.55 | tarzeau | iandoh1: apt-get install grandr (as root) |
| 03:57.02 | tarzeau | iandoh1: it won't work without X :) |
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| 03:57.14 | nsadmin | coupla other considerations... |
| 03:57.19 | tarzeau | iandoh1: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/ download and install this |
| 03:57.30 | tarzeau | iandoh1: then run it, then do the ssh -X thing again, then xrandr/grandr |
| 03:58.07 | iandoh1 | ok thats running |
| 03:58.09 | tarzeau | nsadmin: nanosecond? national standard? |
| 03:58.29 | tarzeau | gotta do my laundry, have a nice day |
| 03:58.33 | iandoh1 | putty says X location |
| 03:58.47 | nsadmin | one, this is about 90% a windows consultation and you should consider it lucky that people here are offering support; please manage your expectations here |
| 03:59.38 | nsadmin | two, you might consider running debian (so far, you haven't given any reason why you couldn't do this) |
| 03:59.49 | iandoh1 | the server already runs debian |
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| 04:01.07 | iandoh1 | OK im in grandr |
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| 04:03.05 | iandoh1 | so now what |
| 04:04.05 | nsadmin | what do you want to accomplish? supposedly if you're in grandr, your display variable is set properly and the x server is allowing the x client to connect |
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| 04:04.42 | iandoh1 | i want to enable s-video out on the debian server |
| 04:04.51 | iandoh1 | so i can use my tv as the monitor, as there is nothing else connected to it |
| 04:05.14 | nsadmin | hmm, you don't want to run the server headless? |
| 04:05.32 | iandoh1 | headless? |
| 04:05.45 | dkr | what's the deal with eclipse being in lenny and sid but not in squeeze? |
| 04:07.07 | nsadmin | NoCode: kbd, mouse, monitor... all interaction is either about what the server is supposed to be serving, or via connection for admin, like for monitoring (watching logs, checking performance levels, etc) which can be done using remote x |
| 04:07.47 | nsadmin | err, the first part of that is unparsable, let me repost |
| 04:08.10 | nsadmin | no kbd, no mouse, no monitor... all interaction is either about what the server is supposed to be serving, or via connection for admin, like for monitoring (watching logs, checking performance levels, etc) which can be done using remote x |
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| 04:08.18 | nsadmin | that's better |
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| 04:09.03 | iandoh1 | i want to be able to view the output of the "server" on my tv for monitoring, viewing videos, other stuff like that |
| 04:09.18 | iandoh1 | it is just a websever primally so its called server |
| 04:10.20 | nsadmin | that's probably about the driver |
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| 04:11.19 | iandoh1 | i just connected via tightvncserver and noticed multiple screens |
| 04:11.22 | iandoh1 | but it doesnt load |
| 04:12.15 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with how the driver is made to select which output it uses |
| 04:12.30 | DogBoy | what video card is it |
| 04:12.53 | iandoh1 | ATI Readon 9300 |
| 04:13.07 | DogBoy | does it show anything when it boots |
| 04:13.20 | DogBoy | [if it's connected to the tv] |
| 04:13.25 | iandoh1 | yes |
| 04:13.37 | iandoh1 | then once it gets past loading and starts the x server, it blacks out |
| 04:14.08 | DogBoy | boot with something like knoppix and use the xorg.conf that you get |
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| 04:15.15 | iandoh1 | http://paste.debian.net/49510/ |
| 04:15.16 | iandoh1 | theres the log |
| 04:15.20 | DogBoy | if it manages to output to your tv that is |
| 04:16.31 | wolfear | iandoh1: are you using the proprietary drivers? (got here late after banging me head against anything I could find)? |
| 04:17.00 | iandoh1 | im using whatever came installed with debian |
| 04:17.20 | DogBoy | that's a no then |
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| 04:17.35 | iandoh1 | as far as i know there are no drivers for debian from ati |
| 04:19.05 | wolfear | there are Linux drivers from ATI, but unless you need all the bells and whistles, you should be able to use the opensource drivers |
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| 04:19.47 | iandoh1 | then its strange why it wont start |
| 04:19.56 | DogBoy | not really |
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| 04:20.18 | wolfear | you are probably not using the ATI opensource |
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| 04:20.55 | iandoh1 | im using default |
| 04:21.28 | wolfear | I'm looking for the link I used to install my ATi drivers for an HD 2600 |
| 04:24.17 | wolfear | this is the page I used to get my ATi working: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 04:24.20 | iandoh1 | http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:24.42 | iandoh1 | thats what i need |
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| 04:26.43 | wolfear | iandoh: just make sure you make notes of the terminal commands. they seem intimidating, but they aren not bad |
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| 04:27.31 | iandoh1 | i cant do it |
| 04:27.37 | iandoh1 | its so out of date the packages dont exist |
| 04:27.43 | muddd | I installed the pptp vpn server, how am I supposed to test if it works since I'm on the same network as it it? |
| 04:27.46 | muddd | is? |
| 04:28.18 | DogBoy | xorg.conf needs to be configured to use tv out |
| 04:28.24 | wolfear | iandoh: that is the same page I used and I have full usage on my card |
| 04:28.50 | iandoh1 | but yours is much newer |
| 04:28.59 | iandoh1 | and if thats all i need dogboy how do it |
| 04:29.13 | iandoh1 | sorry for my typing its 6a, |
| 04:29.15 | muddd | could somebody try to connect to my vpn and tell me if it works? |
| 04:29.16 | iandoh1 | 6am |
| 04:29.23 | DogBoy | .:DogBoy:. boot with something like knoppix and use the xorg.conf that you get |
| 04:29.33 | iandoh1 | i cant boot anything else |
| 04:29.35 | iandoh1 | no dvd drive |
| 04:29.40 | DogBoy | oh well |
| 04:29.55 | iandoh1 | its just a p4 server with 300gb ide hdd, nothing else |
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| 04:32.28 | wolfear | iandoh...I came in late...what are you needing to do...just get a command line or trying to get a desktop showing? |
| 04:32.40 | iandoh1 | trying to get X to output over S-Video |
| 04:32.45 | iandoh1 | without VGA attached |
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| 04:34.21 | wolfear | you are going to need to install the drivers for s-video, but it may take a bit of research to find the rights ones as ATI dropped support for some cards in their last few releases |
| 04:35.09 | iandoh1 | im using the page |
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| 04:35.20 | iandoh1 | just the mirror is a bit slow only gting 5MB/ |
| 04:35.39 | wolfear | I would look at the 8 series drivers and NOT the 9-series. That may help |
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| 04:35.55 | iandoh1 | come on slow mirror |
| 04:36.09 | iandoh1 | what do you guys get from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 04:36.21 | muddd | usually fast |
| 04:36.24 | wolfear | thats the mirros I use |
| 04:36.33 | wolfear | *mirror |
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| 04:37.06 | iandoh1 | im only getting 5MB/s-5.5MB/s |
| 04:37.31 | muddd | megabytes a second? |
| 04:37.41 | iandoh1 | bits |
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| 04:37.52 | muddd | 5Mb/s eh |
| 04:38.06 | iandoh1 | yeah i usualy get about 20 |
| 04:38.46 | wolfear | I was only geting 1.0 max earlier, but that may have been my connection |
| 04:39.18 | iandoh1 | could also be because youre american |
| 04:39.55 | iandoh1 | YAY its outputting |
| 04:40.02 | DogBoy | neato |
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| 04:47.38 | nsadmin | iandoh1 right, the reason things are working now is because you've been helped by one? |
| 04:47.50 | nsadmin | or more likely several |
| 04:47.51 | iandoh1 | it was working |
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| 04:48.07 | iandoh1 | i logged in and then it started blinking, rebooted and still blinking |
| 04:48.32 | nsadmin | no worries, I was merely curious |
| 04:48.46 | iandoh1 | but i can at least see a image on the TV now |
| 04:49.27 | nsadmin | windows is american too btw |
| 04:49.46 | iandoh1 | never said it wasnt |
| 04:50.03 | wolfear | nsadmin: don;t rub it in...we don't claim them |
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| 04:50.11 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:50.18 | DogBoy | but you're close to redmond |
| 04:50.33 | wolfear | who is?...not me |
| 04:50.43 | DogBoy | closer |
| 04:50.49 | iandoh1 | damn it why wont it work now |
| 04:51.03 | nsadmin | all americans: he wants help again |
| 04:51.20 | wolfear | you installed the drivers? |
| 04:51.39 | iandoh1 | yes |
| 04:51.40 | nsadmin | maybe you should try troubleshooting |
| 04:51.57 | iandoh1 | and when i logged in it logged in fine, i went into catylist control center and now its blinking like crazy |
| 04:52.01 | iandoh1 | did a reboot and still doing it |
| 04:52.36 | wolfear | try (may need to be root for this..it's a PITA): "aticonfig --intial -f" |
| 04:52.48 | iandoh1 | server:~# aticonfig --intial -f |
| 04:52.48 | iandoh1 | aticonfig: unrecognized option `--intial' |
| 04:53.03 | wolfear | oops...may be too many "--" |
| 04:53.15 | nsadmin | man aticonfig |
| 04:53.40 | iandoh1 | --initial |
| 04:54.16 | wolfear | checking my note...thats the command line for setting it. hmmmm |
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| 04:54.31 | iandoh1 | server:~# aticonfig --initial |
| 04:54.31 | iandoh1 | Found fglrx primary device section |
| 04:54.31 | iandoh1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.19 | iandoh1 | server:~# aticonfig --tvf string, --tv-format-type=string |
| 04:58.19 | iandoh1 | No layout section was found in the file: '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| 04:58.31 | wolfear | you have a "Monitor" & "Device" section? |
| 04:58.44 | iandoh1 | i cant see anything just black |
| 04:58.54 | iandoh1 | oh you mean in there |
| 04:59.25 | iandoh1 | yes |
| 04:59.46 | iandoh1 | http://pastebin.com/m66ea5cb9 |
| 04:59.54 | wolfear | silly question at this point, but are you sure the card is functional? |
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| 05:00.03 | iandoh1 | yes ive used it with VGA before |
| 05:00.15 | iandoh1 | and i can see the s-video output at startup |
| 05:00.29 | wolfear | kk |
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| 05:01.18 | wolfear | looking at pastebin...ATI did no update your xorg.conf |
| 05:01.23 | wolfear | *not |
| 05:02.26 | iandoh1 | it should have |
| 05:02.51 | wolfear | in theory, yes |
| 05:03.50 | DogBoy | why should it |
| 05:03.57 | DogBoy | I wouldn't have expected that |
| 05:04.36 | DogBoy | well, actually it tried but found a xorg.conf that was not setup the way it usually expects to find them |
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| 05:06.01 | wolfear | aticonfig uses the new format for xorg. and it is funky |
| 05:06.11 | iandoh1 | so how can i fix |
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| 05:06.57 | wolfear | << pastebin novice. I'm trying |
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| 05:08.55 | wolfear | iandoh: see if this works - http://pastebin.com/m1af36e65 |
| 05:09.16 | wolfear | add it to the approriate spot in xorg.conf |
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| 05:11.21 | iandoh1 | its actually crashed |
| 05:11.46 | wolfear | that was based on what you posted. |
| 05:11.55 | iandoh1 | yeah the display was crashed |
| 05:11.56 | iandoh1 | rebooting |
| 05:12.41 | iandoh1 | appertly there is fglrxconfig |
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| 05:13.20 | wolfear | never had to use that. aticonfig always worked, even if I had to tweak later |
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| 05:14.11 | wolfear | not saying it wouldn't work, just saynig I've never had to use it |
| 05:14.17 | iandoh1 | well its rebooted |
| 05:14.19 | iandoh1 | and still nothing |
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| 05:15.24 | wolfear | looking up the specs for ati 9600 |
| 05:17.04 | wolfear | this is an AGP card? |
| 05:17.42 | iandoh1 | yes |
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| 05:19.28 | amitz | Debian lenny. My USB modem doesn't naturally have /dev/ttyUSBx . I must force it once by using "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x???? device=0x????". Wvdial works. But when terminating wvdial and starting it again, somehow the modem stop responding and still sending gibberish to screen. Maybe I fail to really terminate the connection? My question, hoping I'm asking the right one, how to force terminate the connection to ttyUSBx? |
| 05:19.57 | amitz | btw, connection works, I can connecto to internet using wvdial. |
| 05:20.03 | wolfear | iandoh: thats the problem. ATI dropped AGP support for many of the older cards. You may be able to find a legacy driver, but it will have to be manually installed |
| 05:20.29 | amitz | unplugging the usb modem successfuly force terminate the connection to ttyUSBx. |
| 05:20.30 | iandoh1 | im using the older drivers and my card is supported |
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| 05:30.10 | ex-parrot | hi everyone... I'm trying to do an etch -> lenny upgrade following the release notes |
| 05:30.18 | ex-parrot | and when I go to do aptitude install aptitude or apt-get install apt-get |
| 05:30.26 | ex-parrot | it wants to upgrade 35 odd packages at the same time |
| 05:30.30 | ex-parrot | which doesn't sound correct |
| 05:30.53 | jaggz | how can I figure out what's setting my network settings? iwconfig immediately reverts back to my old essid |
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| 05:31.05 | jaggz | like some daemon is lurking |
| 05:31.45 | jaggz | ooh, I think it's wpa_supplicant |
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| 05:33.39 | jaggz | now where is it getting this key from? I have wpa-psk <key> in here.. but it's setting an old key visible in iwconfig |
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| 05:36.49 | troubled | jaggz: who told you that I was lurking? |
| 05:37.17 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: that's actually about rightg |
| 05:37.25 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: they depend on newer versions of quite a few packages |
| 05:37.53 | troubled | ohai don :) |
| 05:38.35 | dondelelcaro | wassup |
| 05:38.44 | troubled | lurking :) |
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| 05:39.07 | troubled | otherwise, waiting on a slow bonnie++ to complete thats been taking forever |
| 05:39.08 | ex-parrot | dondelelcaro: the instructions make it seem like I should upgrade aptitude before anything else, but when I try and upgrade aptitude it wants to upgrade apache, mysql, heaps of other things? |
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| 05:42.19 | jaggz | lol trouble |
| 05:42.50 | jaggz | are you ok? |
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| 05:47.04 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: it's normal for libc6 and a few other things to need to be upgraded |
| 05:47.32 | ex-parrot | okay, so it's safe to upgrade apache2 using etch's aptitude? |
| 05:47.42 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: yerp |
| 05:48.06 | ex-parrot | cool thanks :) |
| 05:48.24 | dondelelcaro | ex-parrot: the main reason why aptitude is upgraded first is because it does the dependency resolution for the full upgrade properly; it's not strictly necessary, but it's a good idea |
| 05:48.46 | ex-parrot | ahh, thanks |
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| 05:54.42 | jaggz- | so what does wpa_supplicant do with the normal key one would see in iwconfig? |
| 05:54.51 | jaggz- | rather, how do these work together? |
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| 05:55.04 | cesurasean | anyone using amanda? reading result from chunker0: Connection reset by peer |
| 05:55.10 | cesurasean | what does that mean? |
| 05:55.50 | dkay | Hello #Debian, can you tell me which application is good to log all connections ? |
| 05:56.04 | dgeary2 | dkay: iptables |
| 05:56.07 | jmarsden | cesurasean: It means "the other end of the network connection closed it down", basically. |
| 05:56.40 | jmarsden | dkay: See if argus meets your needs. |
| 05:56.49 | dkay | dgeary2, something there which is simple as syslogd? i want just all hosts in an seperate logfile with timestamp |
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| 05:57.52 | dkay | i can try to log all of them with iptables and do every time a grep |
| 05:57.56 | dkay | well this one would work |
| 05:58.29 | dkay | grep -R hosts /var/log/somefile >> somefile |
| 05:58.36 | dkay | or? is this a good way? |
| 05:58.50 | dkay | or is there a simple app for that?! |
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| 05:59.00 | dgeary2 | dkay: i've never tried to log all connections... |
| 05:59.24 | dgeary2 | dkay: maybe tail -f would help with your grepping |
| 05:59.34 | dkay | just to make sure. there was one host today clamav.host.tld which isnt in clamav host database |
| 05:59.58 | dkay | dont know is it paranoid? |
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| 06:00.27 | dgeary2 | dkay: iptables is only as paranoid as you make it |
| 06:00.57 | dgeary2 | dkay: it is a command line method of configuring the firewall |
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| 06:01.11 | dkay | i just want to be able to take a look of all connections made |
| 06:01.18 | dkay | with timestamp |
| 06:01.30 | dkay | i want to log them down and sync them every 20 seconds |
| 06:02.02 | dkay | well, thanks for informations |
| 06:02.14 | dgeary2 | dkay: the question is, are you interested in learning about firewalling? |
| 06:02.37 | dkay | i really like iptables :) |
| 06:03.03 | dkay | but it weres easy to have an simple app for that like logwatch, fail2ban |
| 06:03.04 | dgeary2 | dkay: have you used it before? |
| 06:03.13 | troubled | dkay: "shorewall hits" is kinda like that |
| 06:03.15 | dkay | sure |
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| 06:03.22 | dkay | iptables are running |
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| 06:04.18 | sepult | anyones running squeeze's kde in a chroot on lenny or so ? |
| 06:04.18 | dgeary2 | dkay: jmarsden suggested argus |
| 06:04.20 | dkay | hostwatch aka "i track all hosts to my own created logfile" |
| 06:04.45 | dkay | yes |
| 06:05.12 | dkay | unfortunately an app like logwatch weres greater, nut thanks |
| 06:05.18 | dkay | but* |
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| 06:05.44 | jmarsden | dkay: argus (server) and ra (client) should come very close to what you are looking for, I think -- did you try it? |
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| 06:06.19 | dkay | no not yet. but i will |
| 06:06.42 | dkay | ill try to log all connections made with iptables |
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| 06:07.06 | dkay | and create an "grep script" which writes just the connections to a seperate file |
| 06:07.11 | dkay | it is enough i guess |
| 06:07.35 | troubled | dkay: apt-cache show swatch |
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| 06:10.01 | troubled | if you use shorewall for your firewall though, it has a "hits" option as well that will give you a breakdown of hits/per ip with a date as well. and a seperate output that lists most hit ports as well. good for simple overview of the firewall |
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| 06:14.44 | dkay | ok thanks |
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| 06:22.11 | sepult | why is kdm freezing in the chroot ?? |
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| 06:22.34 | sepult | it runs but no mouse reaction no kbd reaction, WTF!!!??? |
| 06:22.53 | sepult | i have to use sysrq e everytime, that's....urrghh |
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| 06:28.14 | troubled | sepult: does it have a copy of the needed /dev devices in the chroot? |
| 06:28.46 | sepult | troubled: yes |
| 06:29.28 | troubled | no idea then sry |
| 06:29.32 | sepult | troubled: i even made all generic devices with "cd /dev; mv .udev |
| 06:29.32 | sepult | .udev-old; /sbin/MAKEDEV generic; mv .udev-old .udev; cd -" |
| 06:29.54 | rww | doesn't xorg use dbus for input device detection these days? is that set up? |
| 06:30.00 | sepult | troubled: dbus is started |
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| 06:30.55 | sepult | troubled: it starts, it wouldn't even start if there were |
| 06:30.55 | sepult | problems with devices |
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| 06:48.29 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:48.30 | dpkg | <Michiel1983> dpkg: I have problems with boot for the 2.6.9 kernel, I got a kernel panic:Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) On undernet they told me to: go to irc.freenode.net, join #debian and ask dpkg about bobbitt |
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| 06:51.42 | dga | hah |
| 06:52.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:53.57 | streuner | some people dont follow any advise :-P |
| 06:55.18 | streuner | liable: thats maybe funny but not helpful... |
| 06:55.30 | liable | tell the bot |
| 06:55.55 | liable | i never knew qotd was supposed to be helpfull.. |
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| 06:59.24 | nsadmin | you have to break the monotony and breathe every once in a while |
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| 07:17.16 | silidan | hi, i have plugged in a dcp-135c printer from brother, but the dan thing wont print it was recognised as a dcp 135c and claims to use the Brother DCP-1200 Foomatic/gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2 (grayscale) driver. iget a message ijsgutenprint: the version of Gutenprint software installed (5.2.4), any help welcome... |
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| 07:18.45 | dkay | #Debian, can someone tell me some secrets ot the motd! i want to change the motd and i just dont want to create an sysmlink to an new file as it is explained |
| 07:19.32 | Outl4w` | dkay, see /etc/init.d/bootmisc and /etc/motd.tail |
| 07:19.44 | Outl4w` | that's all the magic :D |
| 07:21.02 | dkay | okay |
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| 07:28.37 | silidan | anyone answered on the debian lenny brother dcp 135c printer problem? |
| 07:29.51 | Vasistha | silidan: have you looked at log files? |
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| 07:30.23 | mythomaniac | how does one reopen a bug report... squeeze has had a bug report on segfault when opening preferences window of nautilus closed... anyway we can get reopened because it still is happening, just installed squeeze in a vbox with gnome-core and i get the segfault as well... ? |
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| 07:30.55 | nsadmin | mythomaniac: perhaps you should first find out why it was closed |
| 07:31.05 | silidan | Vasistha: how can i acced the log? |
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| 07:31.22 | Vasistha | silidan: I'm not sure, but there are lots of logs in /var/log/ |
| 07:31.27 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, i did find out... someone stated that it was fixed back in oct. 1 |
| 07:31.27 | nsadmin | a conversation with the person who closed it ought to accomplish that |
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| 07:31.36 | Vasistha | silidan: I don't know if it would go in a cups log or a foomatic log or in a general system log |
| 07:32.09 | nsadmin | mythomaniac: from which version of debian are you reporting this? |
| 07:32.15 | silidan | hm... dunno why, but last i rememberrd the dcp 135c worked out of the box on ubuntu.... |
| 07:32.19 | silidan | why not on lenny= |
| 07:32.20 | silidan | ? |
| 07:32.50 | silidan | whatever my time is up.... |
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| 07:33.52 | mjt | hm. Is there a way to restart firefo^Wiceweasel as it does when plugins gets added/removed, with reopening all windows? |
| 07:34.21 | mjt | (i can kill it and it will ask to restore session the next time, but is there "better" way? :) |
| 07:35.18 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, it would be testing if i were to report it |
| 07:35.27 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, debian squeeze |
| 07:35.39 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, x86 |
| 07:35.53 | mjt | can reportbug reopen bugs? |
| 07:36.07 | mjt | i know bts can |
| 07:36.14 | nsadmin | I think you have to email the control address |
| 07:36.30 | mjt | sure |
| 07:36.41 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, i'm a noob when it comes to reporting bugs, what does that mean? |
| 07:37.15 | nsadmin | there |
| 07:37.28 | nsadmin | is an email address (forgot what it is exactly) |
| 07:37.45 | nsadmin | it's sorta like a shell, you send it commands in email |
| 07:37.47 | mjt | bugnumber@bugs.debian.org |
| 07:38.03 | nsadmin | well that's not the control addr |
| 07:38.15 | nsadmin | but it might work |
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| 07:38.29 | nsadmin | more to the point: have you tested this on several other machines? |
| 07:38.55 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, acutally i see a work around on the debian user forums: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45469 and i guess the fix is in sid? |
| 07:39.21 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, yes i have, if you are talking to me... two other systems as a matter of fact |
| 07:40.12 | nsadmin | and your testing is fully up to date? |
| 07:40.21 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, yes |
| 07:40.46 | nsadmin | hmm, yeah, that could be a problem |
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| 07:41.05 | nsadmin | you updated when, today? |
| 07:41.14 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, going to see if this work around works... what, what do you mean that having a fully updated testing system is the problem ;) |
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| 07:41.23 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, every day ;) |
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| 07:41.41 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, why every day? |
| 07:42.09 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, because i like to see what the new stuff is... and also to see if i can fix things if they break ;) |
| 07:42.53 | nsadmin | of course the latter is a good reason for the sake of debian stability |
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| 07:43.04 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, of course ;) |
| 07:43.16 | nsadmin | and the former isn't bad either, it's your machinbe |
| 07:43.21 | nsadmin | -b |
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| 07:47.13 | nsadmin | mythomaniac but I think you should have a nice polite conversation with the person who closed this bug, maybe the two of you can find the cause |
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| 07:47.58 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, that would be ideal |
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| 07:49.47 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, not only that but it seems that on the debian user forum it was geared towards X64 version... don't know if they know it affects x86 too |
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| 07:52.32 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, i should have known i could edit the prefs though gconf-editor :( |
| 07:52.36 | nsadmin | on that forum the arch shouldn't matter |
| 07:52.37 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, and it works |
| 07:52.52 | mythomaniac | is nub |
| 07:52.59 | nsadmin | oh, it works now? cool :) |
| 07:53.31 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, no it still crashes, but i meant that you could edit the perfs though gconf-editor |
| 07:55.46 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, remember the crash in nautilus, the one i found so far, only happens when you try to open the preferences window |
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| 07:56.37 | nsadmin | oic, that would make gconf editing a work around |
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| 07:57.26 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, yes ;) |
| 07:57.38 | mythomaniac | nsadmin, and i should have known that :( |
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| 07:57.47 | mythomaniac | oh well... |
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| 07:59.09 | nsadmin | if you didn't know before and you know now because you found a message... mo powa to ya |
| 07:59.34 | mythomaniac | hehe this is true nsadmin, this is true ;) |
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| 08:04.25 | vi390 | having a problem with (udev,ttyUSB* ..) - On my System, sometimes the ttyUSB0 disconnects (because of whatever), After a while udev realizes that there is a new Device, and attaches it to ttyUSB2, ttyUSB0 is still bound to the former attach. The ttyUSB0 somehow keeps locked. I want either that: UDEV deletes the old ttyUSB0 if it comes unavailable and reconnects as USB0 if it comes available again. Or that my Symlink in Udev realizes the change to ttyUSB2 |
| 08:04.25 | vi390 | (which it doesnt) |
| 08:04.40 | vi390 | are there any ideas how to solve this problem |
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| 08:05.40 | mjt | it's not udev it's kernel |
| 08:06.00 | probonono | I'm attempting to use the Xen livecd on an Intel DQ45CB which has the Intel 82567 eth controller. Will I be able to get it to recognise the controller? The livecd seems to be using Debian 2.6.26-13. |
| 08:06.03 | mjt | it allocates new free device node for each new device |
| 08:06.17 | mjt | even if it's the same device |
| 08:06.53 | vi390 | mjt: and how do I force that, that it only attaches to the former interface |
| 08:06.57 | mjt | but if "previous incarnation" of this device is busy (say it was ttyUSB1) because some program have it open still, the "new device" will be ttyUSB2 etc |
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| 08:07.32 | vi390 | mjt: ah, okey. Yes there is a programm which has it open. Hmm |
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| 08:07.50 | vi390 | but the programm needs to access it after the reconnect |
| 08:08.03 | mjt | so it should reopen it |
| 08:08.10 | mjt | it's a "grey area" still |
| 08:08.22 | mjt | only very few programs actually work with dynamic devices |
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| 08:08.50 | vi390 | is there a way to force the kernel to bind it to USB0 again? |
| 08:09.02 | mjt | no |
| 08:09.24 | mjt | if it's busy still, that is |
| 08:09.38 | vi390 | hmm, so if I understand correctly. I need to shut down the device from the programm, and reopen it, and then the kernel will reatach it as USB0 ? |
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| 08:09.47 | vi390 | Or will it still be at USB2 than |
| 08:10.08 | hoodlum | yeahz |
| 08:10.24 | tbf | libsoup in maemo5 doesn't have gnutls support and there is little chance that this changes for life cycle of maemo5. therefore i want to create a community package (fremantle-extras) which overrides this vendor package. is there a tutorial for doing such hacks proper with dpkg? |
| 08:10.53 | mjt | vi390: kernel will pick the "lowest free" number |
| 08:11.19 | vi390 | mjt: even If it already has attached it formerly to USB2? |
| 08:11.34 | azeem | tbf: should it have the same package name, or do you want to change that as well? |
| 08:11.45 | azeem | probably the former, to avoid having to recompile everything, I guess |
| 08:11.59 | vi390 | mjt: which means, what I have to do is : Let my programm shut down USB0 at error, and reopen it and all will be fine!? |
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| 08:12.35 | mjt | vi390: also, compare this with, say, usb disks. You can't predict which /dev/sdX it will be, because kernel chooses it as "lowest free" too, and hence it depends on the order of insertion. But there is /dev/disk/by-label/* for example, which points to whatever /dev/sdX it actually is |
| 08:12.43 | kraut | moin |
| 08:12.48 | mjt | vi390: there's no such thing for usb serial ports (yet) |
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| 08:13.06 | mjt | vi390: (that /dev/disk/ is maintained in userspace) |
| 08:13.40 | nsadmin | you may have to introduce a short delay (hacky) or poll ttyUSB0 (better) or, why is it you care about which device node it is? can you redesign what you're doing such that it doesn't matter which? |
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| 08:13.53 | mjt | vi390: and yes, basically you're right, PROVIDED there will be no other ttyUSB devices which'll claim ttyUSB0 at boot :) Like a cell phone for example... |
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| 08:14.42 | tbf | azeem: i'd somehow prefer a different package name to make it obvious people replacing vendor package |
| 08:14.44 | vi390 | mjt: well, what I already have is - a Symlink in the UDEV rules, So Iam not actually connecting to USB0 , but to my Symlink. In the Symlink rule there is the serial Numer of the Chip involved. Thats why I was confused. I thought It does not matter what USBx Numer it is attached, as long as the Symlink is generated correctly. |
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| 08:15.10 | azeem | tbf: but libsoup is a library |
| 08:15.12 | vi390 | somehow it is also shut down or not accessible, when it changes to USB2 |
| 08:15.14 | mjt | vi390: it's exactly how /dev/disk/* works |
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| 08:15.19 | tbf | azeem: shouldn't "Replaces" or "Provides" satisfy dependencies for packages listing the vendor package name in their dependencies? |
| 08:15.30 | azeem | tbf: AFAIK there's no versioned Provides |
| 08:15.43 | azeem | so using that to supersede a library might get you into trouble |
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| 08:15.55 | vi390 | mjt: what do you mean "at boot" |
| 08:16.26 | nsadmin | the "hacky" way to do a versioned provide is to include the version in the package name |
| 08:16.35 | mjt | vi390: so yes, as long as your program opens /dev/YourFancyUsbSerialDevice instead of /dev/ttyUSB2, it should work. But the key point is that it should reopen the device in case of I/O errors, ENODEV or EXDEV (don't remember offhand) in particular |
| 08:16.42 | nsadmin | and that's probably not the greatest way of going about it |
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| 08:17.48 | amitz | chance! in a related note, my modem can't be disconnected. Maybe because I force it into ttyUSBx by "modprobe usbserial vendorid=ox???? deviceid=ox????". How to force it to disconnect. I connect using wvdial. Control C on wvdial doesn't work. |
| 08:17.48 | vi390 | mjt: Ok, well Iam trying that out. |
| 08:17.50 | mjt | vi390: assigning of devices (ttyUSBnn) depends on the ordering they gets detected. If you've another usb serial device during system boot, and it will be detected before your "right" device, it will claim ttyUSB0. |
| 08:18.12 | mjt | vi390: but with symlink it does not matter |
| 08:18.14 | azeem | tbf: try asking in #debian-devel on irc.debian.org for more exposure |
| 08:18.18 | amitz | the internet connection does work. |
| 08:18.31 | azeem | tbf: however, I am not sure you can safely supersede a library like that |
| 08:18.49 | amitz | Unplugging the modem works. |
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| 08:19.06 | nsadmin | right, if you try to superceed a lib, be ABSOLUTELY sure you know what you're doing |
| 08:19.16 | vi390 | mjt: ok, that explanation helps a lot. I try to let the device reconnect after error, and see what happens. |
| 08:19.20 | vi390 | mjt: thanks a lot |
| 08:19.26 | mjt | yw |
| 08:20.23 | tbf | azeem: ok. thank you. |
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| 08:20.54 | amitz | Debian lenny. My USB modem doesn't naturally have /dev/ttyUSBx . I must force it once by using "modprobe usbserial vendor=0x???? device=0x????". Wvdial works. But when terminating wvdial and starting it again, somehow the modem stop responding and still sending gibberish to screen. Maybe I fail to really terminate the connection? My question, hoping I'm asking the right one, how to force terminate the connection to ttyUSBx? |
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| 08:22.22 | nsadmin | wait, didn't we just have that whole conversation? |
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| 08:23.51 | EasyTUX | On lenny (as in etch) /vmlinuz & /initrd.img are the right locations/names for kernel & initrd symlinks neh ? |
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| 08:25.37 | amitz | nsadmin: we did? Sorry, let me scroll up. |
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| 08:26.09 | nsadmin | EasyTUX: yes but you don't really need them, because the boot loader config can access the actual files, and that's to your advantage because then you can boot any kernel you had |
| 08:26.24 | nsadmin | amitz: well maybe a similar conversation |
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| 08:27.44 | nsadmin | something about specifically using ttyUSB0 and how if it's not closed properly by the app upon error, the next time the same device is allocated it will be a name other than ttyUSB0 (like maybe ttyUSB1) |
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| 08:29.31 | Supaplex | brainz HZ. goodnight. |
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| 08:29.39 | amitz | nsadmin: oh, let me digest that,. |
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| 08:30.28 | silidan | regarding my problem with Brother DCP-135C printer: solution: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html |
| 08:30.33 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: you meant grub access actual files ? |
| 08:31.26 | nsadmin | yes |
| 08:31.35 | Vasistha | silidan: nice job, congrats |
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| 08:32.54 | nsadmin | amitz: someone wanted to use ttyUSB0 specifically |
| 08:33.16 | nsadmin | and I think that could be unwise/design problem |
| 08:33.34 | Ltddrrtf | Hi all. Can anybody tell me, what package is replace for tac-plus in lenny ? |
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| 08:33.51 | EasyTUX | nsadmin: Thanks. |
| 08:33.52 | nsadmin | judd versions tac-plus |
| 08:33.53 | judd | nsadmin: tac-plus -- etch: 1:4.0.4.alpha-14 |
| 08:34.26 | Ltddrrtf | i know this, but tac-plus is removed from lenny branch |
| 08:34.38 | nsadmin | yes, evidently |
| 08:35.08 | nsadmin | I wonder why tho... (not to mention "what is tac-plus") |
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| 08:35.15 | nsadmin | backwards cat? |
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| 08:36.11 | darmster | does anyone know a java channel |
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| 08:37.03 | m314 | darmster: #java? |
| 08:37.06 | probonono | Can anyone suggest where I might find an updated driver module e1000e.ko for a 2.6.26-1 amd64 kernel? |
| 08:37.21 | subanomic1 | damn!!! damn!!! I just executed chmod 755 * -R in /usr/share accidentally |
| 08:37.30 | subanomic1 | what do I do now? |
| 08:37.37 | subanomic1 | i cant apt-get remove anything anymore |
| 08:37.44 | azeem | why not? |
| 08:37.49 | Vasistha | Ltddrrtf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474985 |
| 08:38.05 | subanomic1 | Removing phpmyadmin ... |
| 08:38.05 | subanomic1 | /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 17: /usr/share/debconf/frontend: Permission denied |
| 08:38.05 | subanomic1 | /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 17: exec: /usr/share/debconf/frontend: cannot execute: Success |
| 08:38.10 | Ltddrrtf | just I follow stable branch on my servers(lenny is not stable,i ask this for example), so i do not want to add olstable in source list |
| 08:38.47 | liable | Ltddrrtf: expand on "lenny is not stable" |
| 08:38.59 | darmster | #java? |
| 08:39.05 | liable | no |
| 08:39.40 | Gijs | Guys i need help i don't know i ask it good here |
| 08:39.59 | Gijs | i have a bash script on my webserver with a user wich cannot access /bin/sh |
| 08:40.11 | Gijs | Can i make it that user can acces the /bin/sh area? |
| 08:40.33 | Vasistha | Ltddrrtf: well, it's unlikely that the package is going to get any updates, so if you simply install it once, I guess it shouldn't go anywhere. But then... I'm not sure if an upgrade might delete it :P keep a copy of the .deb around so you can reinstall it if needed. But if there is a library incompatibility, you're probably screwed. |
| 08:40.33 | Ltddrrtf | liable i mistake, i think sqeeze, write lenny :) |
| 08:40.53 | liable | ok, that makes sense |
| 08:40.59 | Vasistha | Ltddrrtf: you might want to get the source and roll your own |
| 08:41.07 | Gijs | ? |
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| 08:41.47 | Vasistha | Gijs: hard to say, maybe you can elaborate a little, what user is it? |
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| 08:42.37 | Gijs | one that a webserver made: vu2035 |
| 08:43.05 | Vasistha | subanomic1: yeah, you should definitely not be playing around with chmod -R as root. really. |
| 08:43.05 | Gijs | cause if i try to start my bash i got: -sh: ./bash.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 08:43.24 | subanomic1 | yeah I learned my lesson |
| 08:43.27 | subanomic1 | but what do I do now |
| 08:43.32 | Perun | hi all |
| 08:43.56 | Perun | soes someone know a good and working howto for install debian on flash? |
| 08:43.58 | Ltddrrtf | Vasistha: tnx for reply, I want to know - is there any package that provide tacacs server functionaly ? |
| 08:44.07 | Vasistha | Ltddrrtf: not a clue |
| 08:44.08 | Perun | s/soes/does |
| 08:44.22 | Gijs | Vasistha? |
| 08:44.24 | Ltddrrtf | apt-cache is so silent about this :) |
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| 08:44.37 | Gijs | Vasistha, cause if i try to start my bash i got: -sh: ./bash.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 08:44.42 | petemc | Gijs: it looks like you've got a file with dos line endings |
| 08:44.55 | petemc | !crlf->unix |
| 08:44.59 | Vasistha | Gijs: please don't repeat. |
| 08:45.06 | azeem | or rather a file with a literal ^M at the end of the line |
| 08:45.13 | Gijs | huh |
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| 08:45.40 | Perun | it is not enough to mount root ro and put /var into ramfs? |
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| 08:46.35 | Vasistha | subanomic1: I wonder if we can fix you up with a clever find command |
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| 08:47.47 | themill | petemc: ! doesn't work with factoids with -> in the name. Don't ask... |
| 08:47.57 | subanomic1 | well, it would be nice if I had a script that checks for the chmods of my local stuff in /usr/share and adjusts them to the broken /usr/share on my other machine |
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| 08:48.06 | Vasistha | eek, looks difficult. lots of executable scripts within /usr/share ... no easy way to distinguish executables from non-executables |
| 08:48.07 | subanomic1 | no, the other way round |
| 08:48.21 | Ltddrrtf | does anybody maintain any package ? is this hard ? |
| 08:48.46 | nsadmin | well you have to know a lot |
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| 08:49.02 | subanomic1 | how about apt-get diskupgrade? |
| 08:49.04 | subanomic1 | would that help? |
| 08:49.06 | nsadmin | if you're actually maintaining it for distribution by debian |
| 08:49.51 | Ltddrrtf | is russian disallowed here ? :) |
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| 08:50.26 | Vasistha | !ru |
| 08:50.26 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:50.41 | nsadmin | at a guess I'd say it's about 3-4 semesters worth of material after some introductory unix and programming material, I'd say minimum of a semester apiece |
| 08:50.46 | Perun | !de |
| 08:50.47 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 08:50.50 | Vasistha | Ltddrrtf: if you speak enough english, though, this channel is probably more active |
| 08:52.08 | Ltddrrtf | i do not have problem with read, write and understand english :) |
| 08:55.16 | Vasistha | subanomic1: are the two machines more or less identical? |
| 08:55.31 | subanomic1 | both debian lenny amd64 |
| 08:55.36 | subanomic1 | one is a server, one is a home machine |
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| 08:56.59 | Vasistha | subanomic1: are they networked via nfs or something? |
| 08:57.11 | subanomic1 | no |
| 08:57.36 | Ltddrrtf | so, can i have some special skills or some additional status to maintaine package ? |
| 08:57.50 | subanomic1 | i think a script that compares the chmods and adjusts the rights on the server to the rights on my local machine would be good |
| 08:58.07 | silidan | hi in debian lenny there was a file /etc/udev/rules/z60_libsane.rules (or so), what happened to it in the current sid version? (libsane is installed ) |
| 08:58.08 | subanomic1 | it should also determine which files there are on the server that dont exist on my local machine |
| 08:58.50 | Vasistha | subanomic1: umm, you messed up the server? |
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| 08:59.27 | subanomic1 | its kind of a server, it runs apache and so |
| 08:59.35 | subanomic1 | but its not a frequented server |
| 08:59.50 | Vasistha | I'll take that as a "yes" |
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| 09:00.13 | subanomic1 | well, yes, but what i was trying to say is that it is not that bad if i have to reinstall debian |
| 09:00.19 | subanomic1 | but it would be nice if i didnt have to |
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| 09:01.06 | Vasistha | subanomic1: might be possible. What I'd be inclined to do is to start with a 'find' command that just changes all the regular files permissions to 644: find -type f -exec chmod 644 {} + |
| 09:01.24 | subanomic1 | isnt that identical to chmod 644 * -R ? |
| 09:01.25 | Vasistha | subanomic1: Be careful what directory you execute that in. |
| 09:01.38 | Vasistha | subanomic1: it won't touch directories. |
| 09:01.44 | subanomic1 | kk |
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| 09:02.01 | flower | is there a debian version for powerpc? |
| 09:02.16 | subanomic1 | so, im gonna execute that in /usr/share now |
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| 09:02.54 | Vasistha | subanomic1: I can't really recommend this ... you're doing this at your own risk. I don't really know if this might make things worse than they already are. |
| 09:03.01 | Kda | Hi all! Please, advice, how to set courier-imap-ssl to get mail not from ~/Maildir but from /var/mail? |
| 09:03.34 | Vasistha | ln -s /var/mail/username /home/username/Maildir |
| 09:03.46 | subanomic1 | well, the rights are already messed up |
| 09:03.48 | Vasistha | hehe I know that is so lame but sometimes it's the easiest way |
| 09:04.08 | Kda | The problem is there is already mail in /var/mail |
| 09:04.10 | Vasistha | Kda: have you googled for the courier confits? |
| 09:04.17 | Vasistha | *configs |
| 09:04.27 | Kda | Tried |
| 09:04.37 | Kda | Not very carefully, though |
| 09:05.12 | Vasistha | subanomic1: if you want to get more specific, you can exclude scripts: bash, python, perl. Like this... find -type f ! -name '*.pl' ! -name '*.py' ! -name '*.sh' -exec chmod 644 {} + |
| 09:05.53 | silidan | alright another try: i want ot be able to use my scanner as a normal user (not just root, it works for root) how can i do this on sid? (which file to edit)? |
| 09:06.18 | silidan | hint: my user is in the scanner group already... |
| 09:06.36 | silidan | but he still has no acces |
| 09:06.40 | nsadmin | well assuming they're named like that |
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| 09:07.37 | nsadmin | but the find command will do that, and that is how you would express that |
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| 09:08.27 | Vasistha | subanomic1: there are lots of scripts that don't have any extensions, though -- no dot in the name. And then there are a few oddballs, like update-rc.d |
| 09:08.52 | themill | Vasistha, subanomic1: I've not been following what you're trying to do, but debian policy is normally to *not* name files with .py .pl .sh etc extensions at least in /usr/bin, and unix-tradition is not to do that elsewhere either |
| 09:09.57 | Vasistha | themill: huh, interesting. hmm. this guy accidentally screwed his permissions with a chmod -R ... trying to recover something, I guess. |
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| 09:11.13 | themill | "aptitude reinstall ~i" might be the easiest way |
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| 09:11.33 | nsadmin | Vasistha: as far as scripts in /usr/bin, it's gooder to type doyourthing than doyourthing.perl |
| 09:11.50 | Vasistha | subanomic1: hear that? aptitude reinstall -i |
| 09:12.07 | themill | nsadmin: especially when it gets rewritten in python :) |
| 09:12.09 | subanomic1 | yeah, that was my assumption at first |
| 09:12.21 | subanomic1 | but not everything in /usr/share is created by a package, is it? |
| 09:12.29 | themill | Vasistha: ~i not -i |
| 09:12.30 | Vasistha | subanomic1: umm... actually, it very well may be |
| 09:12.53 | Vasistha | yipe! I should go to bed, my eyes are getting blurry |
| 09:13.19 | subanomic1 | is this equivalent to apt-get diskupgrade? |
| 09:13.24 | subanomic1 | because i have been using apt-get all the time |
| 09:13.33 | subanomic1 | and im not sure in how far aptitude is compatible to it |
| 09:14.10 | Vasistha | subanomic1: stuff in /usr is exactly the stuff that I would expect to be parts of packages. aptitude is superior, you should ditch apt-get and move to aptitude. |
| 09:14.28 | Vasistha | subanomic1: there's a nice guide at /usr/share/aptitude/README |
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| 09:14.54 | nsadmin | themill you hAve a good point... but in the larger scheme, it doesn't matter what its name is |
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| 09:15.30 | subanomic1 | yeah, but just this question: Is it credible to use aptitude reinstall ~i when i have been installing everything with apt-get? |
| 09:15.30 | nsadmin | in fact you have actually a great point |
| 09:15.34 | subanomic1 | or doesnt that make a difference |
| 09:15.36 | Vasistha | nsadmin: ah, so when the bash script gets replaced with the python script, it can keep its .sh extension for historic reasons... because it doesn't matter what the name is :) j/k |
| 09:15.44 | themill | nsadmin: that's actually the main reason for the policy -- stuff can and does frequently get rewritten from sh to perl/python/C/whatever |
| 09:16.11 | nsadmin | Vasistha: moreorless... but all three of us know it's not the best of ideas :) |
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| 09:16.48 | nsadmin | wasn't the first dpkg in perl |
| 09:17.04 | Vasistha | subanomic1: uhm, ought to work fine -- '~i' matches packages that are presently installed. aptitude is going to see the same list for those, afaik |
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| 09:17.24 | Vasistha | an offensive amount of debian scripting has been in perl |
| 09:17.51 | nsadmin | I mean, I guess you could look for perl script executables by looking at that #! line |
| 09:18.01 | subanomic1 | wouldnt I expect aptitude reinstall to reinstall only things that are presently installed? |
| 09:18.05 | subanomic1 | why the ~i ? |
| 09:18.10 | nsadmin | s/that/the/ |
| 09:18.17 | themill | !aptitude search |
| 09:18.17 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html or ask me about <aptitude docs> |
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| 09:18.45 | Vasistha | subanomic1: I would say I wouldn't expect to know what a program I'm not that familiar with ought to do |
| 09:18.49 | Vasistha | hope you could parse that |
| 09:19.08 | subanomic1 | sure |
| 09:19.24 | Vasistha | reinstall on its own might only match broken packages or some such, or partially installed. |
| 09:19.51 | Vasistha | or perhaps it doesn't do anything, because it demands that the user explicitly specify what to act upon. |
| 09:20.23 | themill | "aptitude reinstall" on its own does nothing -- you haven't told aptitude what to reinstall |
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| 09:26.29 | subanomic1 | i assume no configuration is overwritten if i do aptitude reinstall ~i? |
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| 09:27.07 | Vasistha | subanomic1: if you've made any changes to configuration files, it ought to prompt you. It sure wouldn't hurt to back up, though, given your precarious situation. |
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| 09:27.37 | Vasistha | subanomic1: simply backing up /etc should be quick and easy and get most of what could potentially be effected afaik |
| 09:27.38 | jolelion | hi everybody |
| 09:27.58 | subanomic1 | kk, do you think its enough to backup /etc ? |
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| 09:28.42 | jolelion | I'm trying to build a debian package and I don't understand why my postinst, postrm, prerm files are not included in the deb files? can someone help me? |
| 09:29.50 | Vasistha | subanomic1: anyway, if you want scripts... you could do something like this on the home machine: find -type f -perm 755 >perm755; and likewise for other permissions; make several different files holding the different permissions. Then copy those perm files to the server, and run something like perm=644; while read file; do chmod $perm $file; done <perm$perm |
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| 09:30.10 | nsadmin | hmm. a lot of packaging questions today. must be tuesday... |
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| 09:30.37 | subanomic1 | yeah, i think i'd prefer that solution |
| 09:32.20 | Vasistha | subanomic1: I mean, hopefully you won't need the backups at all. I look at dpkg -c contents on a semiregular basis, and as well as I can recall, I rarely or never see stuff outside of /bin, /sbin, /lib, /etc, /usr, and /etc is the only one of those where you ought to be making any changes. I'm really, really unsure about /var, though ... I don't really know how often .deb's install stuff into /var |
| 09:32.24 | blast_hardcheese | What would the proper channels for one to request a feature be added to aptitude be? |
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| 09:33.02 | Vasistha | blast_hardcheese: probably bts, make a wish... |
| 09:33.06 | nsadmin | #debian-devel probably |
| 09:33.18 | nsadmin | or the mailing list |
| 09:33.23 | blast_hardcheese | :( |
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| 09:33.29 | blast_hardcheese | I just want ?and to take more arguments |
| 09:33.40 | nsadmin | look at all the mailing lists, see which is closer |
| 09:33.46 | blast_hardcheese | since ?and(?and(?and(?and(?and... gets really stupid |
| 09:33.48 | subanomic1 | on my local machine, there are only 3 chmods: 750, 755 and 777 |
| 09:33.50 | nsadmin | can you provide a sample implementation? |
| 09:33.50 | dkay | Outl4w`, well, ive modified /etc/motd.tail and have taken a look at /atc/init.d/bootmisc but my motd isnt changed |
| 09:34.07 | blast_hardcheese | same with ?tag, it would be nice to be able to say ?tags(...,...,....,) |
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| 09:34.32 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: It would take me a long time to learn how aptitude performed those tasks and provide sample implementation, |
| 09:34.34 | nsadmin | oic |
| 09:34.37 | Vasistha | blast_hardcheese: huh, I thought and was implicit. Maybe I don't really know your use case, though |
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| 09:35.12 | nsadmin | maybe if you just looked at the parser |
| 09:35.36 | Vasistha | subanomic1: wha-what?? erm... why is this something you care about? I think you should stop messing with permissions. |
| 09:35.44 | Outl4w` | dkay, as you can see bootmisc is started while system start and generates the motd, so do a reboot *ugly* or just manual execute the command shown in bootmisc |
| 09:35.54 | blast_hardcheese | Vasistha: aptitude search '?and(?and(!?tag(interface::3d),?tag(interface::x11)),?tag(use::gameplaying))', for instance |
| 09:36.24 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: what's wrong with using implied and, that is, a space? |
| 09:36.40 | subanomic1 | well, im still prefering the script that matches my local permissions to the permissions on the server |
| 09:36.49 | subanomic1 | and the local scripts showed me there are only three different permissions |
| 09:36.59 | Vasistha | subanomic1: I don't even know what permissions variations exist on my machine, which I've had in use for several years now ... I mean, it just doesn't matter. |
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| 09:37.02 | dkay | Outl4w`, well, this is possible, i didnt reboot ! well ill try this command instead :) |
| 09:37.16 | Outl4w` | :D |
| 09:37.24 | blast_hardcheese | jelly: I had not applied space to that, how would one do an or then? |
| 09:37.32 | blast_hardcheese | is there a simple operator for it? |
| 09:38.03 | jolelion | I'm trying to build a debian package and I don't understand why my postinst, postrm, prerm files are not included in the deb files? can someone help me? |
| 09:38.06 | subanomic1 | it was just something I gathered from my script |
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| 09:38.18 | subanomic1 | I didnt specifically wanted to find this out |
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| 09:39.20 | themill | blast_hardcheese: I usually use the ~ forms not the ? forms -- ~Gtagname instead of ?tag(tagname). It's just less typing and my shell doesn't eat it on me. But to suggest such things, file a wishlist bug against aptitude using "reportbug". |
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| 09:40.12 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Man, that's a lot easier than what I'm doing, those should be listed next to wherever I found ?tag(), I would have gladly used those |
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| 09:40.42 | themill | blast_hardcheese: they're listed next to ?tag() in the fine manual... /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 09:41.45 | dmi3on | for some reason debian doesnt find NIC |
| 09:41.52 | blast_hardcheese | themill: I guess I never figured out what the aptitude reference manual is |
| 09:42.00 | dmi3on | what should i do i never had like this problem before |
| 09:42.03 | Vasistha | dmi3on: you can start with lspci and ifconfig -a |
| 09:42.27 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: tag searching doesn't work for me at all, so I can't confirm or deny any bugs with implied and |
| 09:42.52 | dkay | Outl4w`, well, ive tried the command and did a reboot :( i havent this debian logo. it is still "last user logged in" infoline :/ |
| 09:43.07 | Vasistha | subanomic1: oh, oh -- I thought you meant in general, not just in /usr/share -- heh, sorry for giving you a hard time. It's nearly 3am, I really ought to go to bed |
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| 09:43.13 | jelly | blast_hardcheese: the manual is hidden in file://localhost/usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html but only if aptitude-doc-en is installed |
| 09:43.31 | dmi3on | Vasistha, i see theren controller when run lspci |
| 09:43.33 | blast_hardcheese | I have mixed feelings about mixed doc formats |
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| 09:43.47 | subanomic1 | :D its 12 am here |
| 09:43.56 | Vasistha | subanomic1: uhm, that is very strange -- there should definitely be many, many regular files within the /usr/share hierarchy that do not have the execute bit set |
| 09:43.57 | subanomic1 | well, you didnt give me a hard time |
| 09:43.59 | iamleneko | hi |
| 09:44.05 | dmi3on | Vasistha, thanks i find |
| 09:44.22 | Outl4w` | dkay, is /etc/motd a symlink to /var/run/motd ? |
| 09:44.24 | blast_hardcheese | Vasistha: I hear ya, sleep sounds great. |
| 09:45.16 | Vasistha | Outl4w`: it is for me ... ls -l /etc/motd shows that |
| 09:45.24 | dkay | how to look ? |
| 09:45.47 | blast_hardcheese | How do I add to the tags a given program has? Is there an anotate tool? |
| 09:45.49 | Outl4w` | "ls -l /et/motd" |
| 09:45.53 | Outl4w` | +c |
| 09:46.14 | themill | blast_hardcheese: aptitude can add both tags and usertags. There's also the "go tagging" web page. |
| 09:46.15 | Vasistha | heh, oh, sorry, answering the helper's question rather than the asker's |
| 09:46.17 | iamleneko | i had a reboot on some debian server but i can no more login as some user (because of the /etc/nologin) i have read that can happen if i am running in runlevel #1 . how can i check the current runlevel ? |
| 09:46.24 | themill | blast_hardcheese: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/todo.html |
| 09:46.30 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Awesome, thank you |
| 09:46.53 | dkay | no it isnt |
| 09:47.00 | Vasistha | iamleneko: there is a command called "runlevel" |
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| 09:47.21 | iamleneko | Vasistha, thanks |
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| 09:47.43 | iamleneko | it tell me N 2 ? i suppose i am in runlevel 2 then, so is this nologin issue is normal ? |
| 09:47.59 | Vasistha | iamleneko: yes, N 2 means you're in runlevel 2 |
| 09:48.20 | iamleneko | would it be ok to just remove the nologin file in /etc ? |
| 09:49.04 | Vasistha | iamleneko: why don't you pastebin it and back it up before removing it... |
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| 09:49.35 | jolelion | nobody has an idea for my problem? |
| 09:49.57 | iamleneko | the content of this file is just a message : "System bootup in progress - please wait" |
| 09:50.03 | Vasistha | iamleneko: man 5 nologin |
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| 09:50.42 | Vasistha | iamleneko: I am guessing that something went strange with your bootup... you might want to reboot and try again. |
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| 09:51.32 | iamleneko | i have my coworker that i reboot the system, in the meantime the server provider did one, maybe it is what have messing with this nologin issue |
| 09:51.37 | Vasistha | iamleneko: on my system, /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin removes that file automatically within runlevel 2. |
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| 09:51.46 | Vasistha | (and your system ought to be similar :) |
| 09:52.10 | Vasistha | jolelion: maybe you'll have better luck in #debian-devel or some such |
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| 09:52.57 | Outl4w` | dkay, ok, backup /etc/motd and then symlink to /var/run/motd "ln -s /var/run/motd /etc/motd" |
| 09:53.08 | dkay | Outl4w`, well, now it is !ls -l /etc/motd |
| 09:53.08 | dkay | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2009-10-20 11:48 /etc/motd -> /var/run/motd |
| 09:53.14 | jolelion | Vasistha: ok thanks |
| 09:53.56 | dkay | and did a reboot ! |
| 09:54.00 | Vasistha | jolelion: it might be on oftc |
| 09:54.04 | Vasistha | ok, bed |
| 09:54.09 | dkay | after ive modified! and wont work -.- |
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| 09:54.36 | Outl4w` | dkay, do you login via ssh or at tty? |
| 09:54.47 | dkay | argh! via putty |
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| 09:55.32 | Outl4w` | putty is ssh, afaik :D |
| 09:55.33 | jelly | so, ssh them |
| 09:55.39 | dkay | yes |
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| 09:55.46 | jolelion | valdyn: oftc? |
| 09:56.04 | jolelion | valdyn: sorry, not for you |
| 09:56.05 | jelly | !mentors |
| 09:56.06 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 09:56.25 | jelly | jolelion: ^^ (irc.debian.org is irc.oftc.net) |
| 09:56.37 | Outl4w` | dkay: ok, shows "cat /var/run/motd" what you aspect? |
| 09:56.45 | jolelion | jelly: ok |
| 09:57.21 | dkay | well, it shows the content but not exactly what it was supposed to be |
| 09:57.26 | dkay | lol |
| 09:57.39 | Outl4w` | :D |
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| 09:58.03 | dkay | it is an debian logo with colors and hardware informations |
| 09:58.20 | dkay | cat /var/run/motd shows just the letters and not the colors |
| 09:58.44 | dkay | in an different oder |
| 09:58.46 | Outl4w` | i guess you have to fix your motd.tail |
| 09:58.47 | dkay | order* |
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| 10:00.18 | dkay | the same content is also in motd.tail |
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| 10:02.34 | beli | hi folks....is there a tutorial for building own .deb packages? i used checkinstall on slackware...is it ok to build .deb's with it? |
| 10:02.40 | Outl4w` | dkay, just alter motd.tail for your needs, that's it |
| 10:02.56 | dkay | http://dpaste.com/109624/ |
| 10:03.03 | tarzeau | beli: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/PackagingTutorial |
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| 10:03.44 | dkay | but it wont work |
| 10:03.48 | Outl4w` | no colors? |
| 10:04.03 | dkay | sure, on my putty client it is shown with colors |
| 10:04.23 | dkay | but not on the server which i modify for that |
| 10:04.48 | Outl4w` | on the server you login directly on tty? |
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| 10:05.06 | Outl4w` | no ssh? |
| 10:05.34 | dkay | i log in directly with putty/ssh |
| 10:05.45 | dkay | and it shows up promptly |
| 10:06.08 | beli | tarzeau: thanks...looks well...is there also an overview of file locations available? i want to build my custom postfix/openssl/sasl/mysql/.. packages.... |
| 10:06.18 | Outl4w` | *confused* :D |
| 10:06.20 | dkay | then an sudo vnstat -l let me see the logo and traffic but i need to fugure out how to modify |
| 10:07.21 | beli | dkay: escape sequences need a shell that can do them AND the right terminal setting |
| 10:07.31 | tarzeau | beli: but wait that's not new packages, that's rebuilding existing packages |
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| 10:08.03 | beli | tarzeau: right...with modified configure params....so i would better check out debian sources and modify the scripts? |
| 10:08.14 | tarzeau | beli: just apt-get source packageyouwant |
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| 10:08.22 | tarzeau | beli: then edit debian/rules, then say debuild. that's it :) |
| 10:08.25 | tarzeau | more or less |
| 10:08.48 | beli | beli: debuild? is it included with all packages? |
| 10:08.53 | tarzeau | beli: or pay someone to do it for you (ME! ME! i want CAKES AND CHAMPAGNE) |
| 10:08.59 | tarzeau | beli: no it's a tool |
| 10:09.22 | beli | tarzeau: i think i can do it on my own, i am not a linux newbie, just want to make sure that i do it the common way on debian |
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| 10:12.10 | dkay | Outl4w`, well, when i take a look to motd.tail motd and /var/run/motd on all the motd files the same content! but exactly this content isnt shown when i log into via ssh |
| 10:13.15 | dkay | 8 lines with Debian Informtions about GNU/GPL License, Warranty and so on |
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| 10:13.59 | dkay | but when i log in i will see this "Last Login: Tue Oct 20 8:52:10: 2009 from ip |
| 10:14.09 | beli | dkay: you know there is /etc/issue and /etc/motd? |
| 10:14.30 | dkay | /etc/motd /etc/motd.tail /var/run/motd |
| 10:14.50 | beli | dkay: yes, but different files are used depending on the login methode |
| 10:14.57 | dkay | ahh, i came closer to it |
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| 10:15.03 | dkay | in /etc/issue is this content |
| 10:15.07 | beli | dkay: if you want all the same...symlink files |
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| 10:16.12 | dkay | well, thanks alot,m i hope i can work it out now |
| 10:16.13 | beli | dkay: the whole stuff is handled by getty and login |
| 10:16.33 | beli | dkay: man getty, man login |
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| 10:18.04 | mango | hi every one..since i HAVE updraded to debian lenny...the system seem to be very slow especially when browsing...I have used ubuntu and is same thing... could any one help please |
| 10:18.20 | mango | reinstalling the system alltogether from scratch did not do it |
| 10:18.53 | mango | I saw some recommendations to disable ipv6 ...this also has not done it... |
| 10:19.01 | mango | any guess at all please |
| 10:19.01 | mango | ? |
| 10:19.07 | beli | mango: just browsing slow or the whole machine? |
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| 10:20.33 | mango | beli: the whole machine is slow..but the machine is powerfull |
| 10:20.39 | beli | mango: check for processes consuming much cpu/memory...use top -i |
| 10:20.41 | mango | I am running it on a dell xps |
| 10:21.14 | beli | mango: there are mostly two reasons for slow systems: i/o traffic and drivers and software consuming ram/cpu |
| 10:21.56 | beli | mango: maybe you are also using wrong kernel for your cpu....non smb for example... |
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| 10:22.10 | mango | beli: there is no much use for the cpu or memory |
| 10:22.24 | mango | the top process I have is called top |
| 10:22.38 | mango | beli:and I installed the machine only yesterday |
| 10:22.48 | mango | on the same network I have a windows machine |
| 10:22.52 | mango | it is fast |
| 10:23.12 | beli | mango: uname -a |
| 10:23.19 | mango | if I browse the same pages it take over 10 times on debian lenney then windows |
| 10:23.42 | mango | beli: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:24.53 | mango | beli: my machine is a dell xps core2 duo... |
| 10:25.02 | beli | mango: check also your partition setup...take ram * 2 for swap |
| 10:25.05 | beli | mango: seems ok |
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| 10:25.22 | beli | mango: check for used chipset drivers.... lsmod, lspci... |
| 10:25.27 | beli | i gotta go off for now, sorry |
| 10:25.30 | nsadmin | mango so maybe you could try an amd64 kernel |
| 10:26.14 | nsadmin | if Im not mistaken you can run that even if you have i386 userland |
| 10:26.22 | mango | nsadmin: I have the same result on an IBM x60 |
| 10:26.42 | mango | since I upgraded to lenny it become very slow |
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| 10:27.17 | mango | beli: my swap partition is 2714 mb |
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| 10:29.04 | Shtl | hello all, i can able to connect to my Lenny PC on LAN through ssh using putty from XP PC, but now i cant able to run any X applications, is it possible to run X applications from XP over ssh?? |
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| 10:30.55 | nsadmin | mango what are you doing with the machine? |
| 10:32.55 | mango | beli: this is the link for the output requested...http://pastebin.com/d7274bc5f...thanks |
| 10:33.03 | jimcooncat | Shtl: yes, use "ssh -X" |
| 10:33.21 | mango | nsadmin: I use it as an alternative to windows..for every thing |
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| 10:33.42 | Shtl | jimcooncat: i used "ssh -X" only |
| 10:33.42 | jimcooncat | Shtl: sorry, I'm not awake... |
| 10:33.49 | Shtl | ?? |
| 10:33.57 | mango | nsadmin: but for now...I have reinsalled it from scratch again...but not many apps are there |
| 10:34.01 | jimcooncat | Shtl: you need an X server on your windows computer |
| 10:34.08 | jimcooncat | Shtl: xming is a good one |
| 10:34.23 | mango | I have found some suggestion to disable the ipv6...but still slow |
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| 10:34.37 | Shtl | jimcooncat: ohh ok, i need to install that in my XP PC |
| 10:34.40 | Shtl | ?? |
| 10:34.44 | jimcooncat | Shtl: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
| 10:34.58 | jimcooncat | Shtl: yes, you need it to display X programs |
| 10:35.20 | jimcooncat | Shtl: there are instructions on the website to use Putty with it |
| 10:35.24 | silidan | concernind Brother DCP-135C, still need help: what works: printing, scanning problem: scanned and printed stuff seems to be moved along one direction... |
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| 10:35.51 | Shtl | jimcooncat: ok thanks i will go through |
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| 10:36.29 | jimcooncat | Shtl: works best over a local network, X is a high traffic protocol |
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| 10:37.28 | Shtl | jimcooncat: yaa m connecting to LAN PC only |
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| 10:38.17 | jimcooncat | Shtl: it will work over a broadband internet line, though the actions will be choppier than if you use vnc |
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| 10:41.22 | Cy | Hi there, I am trying to install liblame-dev without luck via apt-get and aptitude |
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| 10:42.38 | nsadmin | Cy specifically what exactly is the problem? |
| 10:42.52 | Cy | E: Package liblame-dev has no installation candidate |
| 10:42.59 | Cy | Then says that liblam0 is the package to replace it |
| 10:43.04 | mreh | Cy do you know if it exists? |
| 10:43.08 | petemc | its in dmm |
| 10:43.12 | Cy | Yes, it should |
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| 10:43.51 | nsadmin | Cy: accorcding to petemc you have to add the dmm sources to your sources.list |
| 10:44.08 | Cy | Then it says when I try to install liblame0 liblame0: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 is to be installed |
| 10:44.21 | nsadmin | then you're mixing dists |
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| 10:44.29 | nsadmin | that's not recommended |
| 10:44.56 | Cy | I downloaded the package libmp3lame-dev_3.98.2-0.5_i386.deb |
| 10:44.56 | Cy | and tried to install manually but again complains about libc6 |
| 10:45.01 | Cy | So I don't know what to do here |
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| 10:45.23 | nsadmin | Cy: you're getting a version that hasn't been built for the version of debian you have |
| 10:45.50 | nsadmin | what to do, is get the one that has |
| 10:46.09 | Cy | How could I find it? |
| 10:46.40 | nsadmin | show people your sources.list; I suspect part of the problem is there |
| 10:46.49 | nsadmin | use a... |
| 10:46.58 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 10:46.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 10:47.37 | Cy | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/49525/ |
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| 10:50.30 | mythomaniac | what is the best way to switch between window managers from command line? |
| 10:50.39 | dmi3on | debian 503 is on karnel 2.6 ? |
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| 10:52.07 | catsup_ | mythomaniac: type 'DISPLAY=:0 ratpoison' |
| 10:52.34 | mythomaniac | catsup_, then issue startx? |
| 10:52.46 | catsup_ | heh no |
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| 10:52.57 | mythomaniac | catsup_, this is before x starts... |
| 10:52.59 | catsup_ | try startx $(which ratpoison) |
| 10:53.05 | dmi3on | ? |
| 10:53.09 | maxagaz | hi |
| 10:53.10 | mythomaniac | catsup_, k |
| 10:53.43 | maxagaz | is there a way to check if the directory I'm in is a mounted directory, and to what other directory does it points to ? |
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| 10:54.01 | catsup_ | maxagaz: type 'mountpoint .' |
| 10:54.05 | anoob | hi, somebody can help me with my wireless? it doesn't work at debian... i don't know nothing about the wireless hardware... |
| 10:54.11 | catsup_ | um, except maybe i'm not clear on what you mean, maxagaz |
| 10:54.34 | catsup_ | because i don't know what you mean by what directory it points to |
| 10:55.02 | mythomaniac | catsup_, rock on that worked! |
| 10:55.07 | catsup_ | of course it worked |
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| 10:55.13 | mythomaniac | lol catsup_ |
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| 10:55.28 | maxagaz | catsup_, does mountpoint allow me to check the server:/path/ my current directory points to ? |
| 10:55.40 | gnukid | anoob: type lspci in terminal and search for lines with ethernet |
| 10:56.06 | catsup_ | mythomaniac: that's the command to switch to the best window manager. it would only fail if you didn't have it installed :\ |
| 10:56.10 | anoob | 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02) |
| 10:56.25 | gnukid | anoob: Is it the only line? |
| 10:56.42 | mythomaniac | catsup_, naw... now the best window manager is awesomeWM... |
| 10:56.44 | mythomaniac | ;) |
| 10:56.45 | catsup_ | maxagaz: oh you want to know the NFS server corresponding to the current directory. for that you can do something like type 'df .' |
| 10:56.50 | catsup_ | LIES |
| 10:56.53 | mythomaniac | lol |
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| 10:57.40 | catsup_ | anoob: that's not your wifi, that's a wired net |
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| 10:58.07 | gnukid | anoob: lspci should list all ur plugged in hardware |
| 10:59.15 | anoob | lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Stroage Device |
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| 11:01.16 | gnukid | anoob: post your complete lspci output! |
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| 11:10.54 | hyperzid | Anyone know how to debug nfs problems, io takes too long. |
| 11:11.15 | anoob | http://paste.uni.cc/20306 |
| 11:11.29 | yang | I am only able to boot into rescue mode - I have executed "update-from-grub-legacy" , here is the output http://pastebin.ca/1632377 |
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| 11:11.57 | troubled | yang: so, I take it that yesterdays reboot failed? :) |
| 11:12.05 | yang | troubled: yes |
| 11:12.36 | yang | troubled: the thing is that I cannot see where it gets stuck after boot, I am only able to reboot into datacenters rescue mode |
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| 11:14.06 | troubled | do you actually have a msdos partition on that drive? |
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| 11:14.41 | yang | troubled: nope |
| 11:14.42 | Cy | So is there any better sources I could put rather than http://paste.debian.net/49525/ |
| 11:14.43 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.43 | yang | /dev/sda1 * 524 38913 308367675 83 Linux |
| 11:14.43 | yang | /dev/sda2 1 523 4200997 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 11:15.37 | EasyTUX | Fine, lenny iceweaser ain't blind with videos... ;)) |
| 11:15.48 | yang | Cy: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 11:15.56 | EasyTUX | as is... |
| 11:16.02 | Cy | Thanks yang |
| 11:17.53 | troubled | yang: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=74740 i did stumble up on this |
| 11:17.53 | troubled | doesn't seem to solve it really, but it does at least explain a little about the "why" |
| 11:18.38 | yang | ok |
| 11:19.47 | yang | Should I place back lilo or ? |
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| 11:19.59 | troubled | it does sound like parted might be a fix though |
| 11:20.12 | amitz | say, I want to send a command (+++ATH0) to a modem on /dev/ttyUSB0 from linux shell? How to do that? Or at least, whate terms to google? Thanks in advance. |
| 11:20.45 | troubled | amitz: echo "+++ATH0" > /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
| 11:21.18 | amitz | troubled: huh? that can work? interesting... |
| 11:21.22 | troubled | yang: well, if lilo works :) I havent ran into this myself yet, but I get the feeling that this wont be the last time I see this |
| 11:21.49 | Cy | Where can I find the DMM sources? |
| 11:21.49 | troubled | amitz: there is a terminal program called minicom that you might wanna check out |
| 11:22.15 | amitz | got it, plain echo and minicom. |
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| 11:26.40 | catsup_ | lol minicom? |
| 11:26.59 | catsup_ | Tue Oct 20 07:26:52 EDT 2009 |
| 11:27.23 | troubled | Tue Oct 20 07:27:23 EDT 2009 |
| 11:27.29 | catsup_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.52 | troubled | so have AT commands and hayes compatible modems.... |
| 11:27.59 | catsup_ | indeed |
| 11:28.08 | catsup_ | lol @ 'hayes compatible' |
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| 11:28.46 | catsup_ | hayes compatibility is a long-term investment :p |
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| 11:29.02 | mquin | troubled: the AT command set is still alive and well, in devices such as HSDPA sticks and cellphones |
| 11:29.05 | catsup_ | btw |
| 11:29.07 | catsup_ | echo +++ won't work |
| 11:29.14 | catsup_ | because the +++ has to have the right timing |
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| 11:30.16 | catsup_ | however if you have the magic touch you can do it by hand :p |
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| 11:32.27 | catsup_ | The command set itself had no intellectual-property protection, but Hayes Communications patented the concept of a "guard time" after the escape sequence. In the late 1980s Hayes started enforcing the patent, charging $1 per modem that used it. |
| 11:32.34 | catsup_ | Many later modems thus did not implement the guard time -- they used Time Independent Escape Sequence; this eventually (when modems began to be used to dial up to the Internet) led to a nasty denial-of-service attack involving an ICMP echo request ("ping") packet containing three pluses and ATH, the hangup command.^[citation needed] |
| 11:33.24 | catsup_ | needs that citation |
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| 11:35.45 | Cy | Anybody knows what is the DMM repository? |
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| 11:35.54 | jelly | Cy: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 11:36.22 | Cy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.45 | tim|macbook | hey all, this is probably a silly question, but a simple google query didn't answer it for me... what does the "dfsg" identifier in deb packages stand for? I know it probably stands for debian free software guidelines, but why is it sometimes added to a package name? |
| 11:36.49 | jelly | now do it without that space at the beginning, Cy |
| 11:37.08 | Cy | I did, it was just an error when copy paste. Thanks in any case jelly |
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| 11:41.10 | troubled | mquin: cellphones still use it? neat |
| 11:41.18 | tote | is it normal that debian crasches when im using too much ram? shouldn't something limit that and kill process? |
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| 11:41.40 | troubled | gently sips his bowl of coffee |
| 11:42.28 | troubled | tote: when you run out of swap I believe it kicks in |
| 11:42.28 | catsup_ | tote: there is something that does that called the OOM killer |
| 11:42.37 | catsup_ | tote: it does not work very well. blame linux. |
| 11:42.57 | troubled | or the admin that forgot to set ulimits :) |
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| 11:43.12 | catsup_ | omg ulimits |
| 11:43.23 | catsup_ | more 1980s technology |
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| 11:43.48 | catsup_ | did you have ulimit on the unix shell you connected tow ith your hayes compatible modem? |
| 11:44.16 | troubled | O_o |
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| 11:44.29 | catsup_ | ;) |
| 11:44.42 | troubled | hands catsup_ a cup of joe |
| 11:44.47 | catsup_ | ah |
| 11:44.47 | jjosef | hayes is the future |
| 11:44.52 | catsup_ | i quit coffee |
| 11:45.01 | catsup_ | and took up running in the morning |
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| 11:45.44 | g00se | Can someone using backports please tell me if you're getting a redirect (302) resulting in a failed get? |
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| 11:47.04 | catsup_ | Hit http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/main Packages <-- no problem here |
| 11:47.08 | troubled | g00se: which mirror you using? |
| 11:47.22 | tote | troubled: not using any swap, when i had a swapfile the problems was even worse, crashed when it tried to swap alot |
| 11:47.30 | troubled | g00se: http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 11:47.44 | g00se | troubled: The one catsup_ just hit |
| 11:47.45 | troubled | tote: you mean the kernel panic'd? |
| 11:47.51 | catsup_ | tote: well it should not actually crash, just lock up indefinitely |
| 11:47.55 | tote | catsup_: whats the problem with the OOM killer? when my computer crashed the last time i tried to fire the sysreq oom thingy but it didnt work, it didnt kill anything |
| 11:48.12 | tote | yeah crash => lock up indefinitely |
| 11:48.54 | catsup_ | i mean not panic [except OOM is technically panic but beside that] |
| 11:49.28 | amitz | catsup: oh, I see. ++++ doesn't work |
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| 11:49.35 | g00se | troubled: I'll try another mirror. Thanks |
| 11:49.39 | troubled | wasn't oom a /proc tunable option as well? |
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| 11:49.57 | g00se | catsup_: (and you too ;-)) |
| 11:50.18 | troubled | g00se: np, one of them is bound to work I figure :) |
| 11:50.20 | tote | but when i reached the lock up indefinitely stage, there is no way to get back to a useable system without reboot? i think i know which process is causing the most problems |
| 11:50.42 | amitz | catsup_: anyway, without +++ doesn't work either. I'm trying the minicom path. |
| 11:50.51 | catsup_ | tote: i don't know what is the problem with it exactly, but i have taken it for granted for a long time, that linux just cannot handle it -- i don't think it is any surprise that when it doesn't work right, i mean |
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| 11:51.05 | catsup_ | amitz: minicom will be able to do it no problem |
| 11:51.22 | amitz | catsup_: note |
| 11:51.23 | troubled | ya, minicom can "initialize" it |
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| 11:52.20 | catsup_ | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer |
| 11:53.18 | g00se | troubled: You'd think so ;-) Mine situation is slightly complicated by the fact that i can't use http |
| 11:53.25 | catsup_ | oh |
| 11:53.32 | tote | catsup_: advance stuff :) |
| 11:53.52 | catsup_ | well i don't think that page actually explains the problem |
| 11:54.01 | troubled | g00se: heh, every url there was http only it seemed too I see |
| 11:54.26 | catsup_ | according to what it says there it sounds like it should work fine, some processes die, the machine lives. yet everyone knows that it doesn't :\ |
| 11:54.35 | amitz | I mean, noted. |
| 11:55.02 | troubled | g00se: try swap some http's to ftp's, ftp://debian.sil.at/backports.org/ seemed to work |
| 11:55.07 | tote | catsup_: heh |
| 11:55.20 | catsup_ | i wonder if freebsd works better |
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| 11:56.20 | catsup_ | i'm looking forward to finally getting a debian gnu/freebsd install |
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| 11:56.21 | tote | catsup_: if i cant return to a useable state without reboot, do you have any ideas how i can minimize the chance of the system acting up? |
| 11:56.45 | tote | catsup_: i think the process that brings down my system is rtorrent with alot of torrents |
| 11:57.03 | catsup_ | well, that is simple enough, ulimit rtorrent |
| 11:57.06 | catsup_ | of course |
| 11:57.15 | troubled | damn 1980's tech again |
| 11:57.20 | catsup_ | you will then have difficulty keeping rtorrent running |
| 11:57.54 | ranix | if rtorrent is behaving like that, you should use a different torrent client entirely |
| 11:57.55 | g00se | troubled: I think i've got one. All i need now are their keys |
| 11:57.59 | ranix | I use bittornado and have never noticed that |
| 11:58.11 | catsup_ | rtorrent is much less resource intensive than bittornado |
| 11:58.21 | catsup_ | he must be serving hundreds or thousands of torrents |
| 11:58.24 | ranix | it's locking your system? |
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| 11:58.30 | tote | no 7 torrents last time |
| 11:58.32 | ranix | sounds resource-intensive to me |
| 11:58.33 | catsup_ | :\ |
| 11:58.44 | catsup_ | why should it be using so much memory then? |
| 11:58.45 | troubled | i dont even want to know how many torrents it would take to bring a system into swap hell :) |
| 11:59.06 | tote | catsup_: no idea, a bug maybe? and im not 100% sure it is rtorrent |
| 11:59.07 | troubled | sounds more like a memory leak heh |
| 11:59.09 | catsup_ | is that just mmapping files? |
| 11:59.33 | ranix | are you sure your memory is actually exhausted? |
| 11:59.34 | tote | but the last two times it happened i started rtorrent with ~7 torrents |
| 11:59.51 | catsup_ | what is your hardwaer? |
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| 12:00.28 | tote | ranix: well no and yes, i used swap before, and then it started swapping like hell, but now i without swap i acnnot know |
| 12:00.28 | Tapout | i seed over 250 torrents with rtorrent with 0 issues |
| 12:00.28 | tote | catsup_: 2gb ram, a cheap intel cpu |
| 12:00.36 | ranix | you should have swap space |
| 12:00.38 | catsup_ | there is no way that rtorrent is maxing out your memory |
| 12:00.52 | ranix | if you are not using a solid state drive, that is |
| 12:01.23 | catsup_ | ranix: haha we can debate about that for hours if we want :p |
| 12:01.53 | ranix | I imagine the people who wrote the kernel memory handling know more about swap than either of us, and that's the basis of my belief |
| 12:02.07 | troubled | doesnt mean you _need_ swap though |
| 12:02.13 | tote | i can start my 7 torrents now, and see if it happens, is there anything i can check in "sysreq-mode" ? |
| 12:02.23 | catsup_ | i don't think there's that much to know about swap :\ |
| 12:02.29 | ranix | "ought to have" |
| 12:02.37 | ranix | I think you'd be wrong, catsup_ |
| 12:02.52 | ranix | how would *you* determine when a page is cached and when it's swapped? |
| 12:03.10 | ranix | it's not a trivial issue |
| 12:03.58 | catsup_ | if you want to think of it that way |
| 12:04.08 | catsup_ | the reality though is that there's not all that much intelligence that's possible on a general level |
| 12:04.44 | catsup_ | so you end up with some trivial heuristics based on last access and some division into a small number of broad categories of use |
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| 12:06.56 | catsup_ | ideally we would manage our memory as a system of caches from disk to memory to l2 to l1 to registers... but that only ever actually happens when a specific application with an unusually predictable pattern of use is specially optimized by a human designer |
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| 12:08.18 | catsup_ | the problem with swap, though, is that in a networked world, where you are always racing against timeouts, a slower response is often worse than a faster one even if the faster one is an error response |
| 12:08.59 | d1b | catsup_: don't challenge linux :) |
| 12:09.31 | catsup_ | pft |
| 12:09.32 | d1b | catsup_: ideally, id only have registers :) |
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| 12:09.54 | catsup_ | 07:56 <catsup_> i'm looking forward to finally getting a debian gnu/freebsd install |
| 12:09.55 | d1b | catsup_: what's that l1 you speak of, real men build cpus which only use registers ;) |
| 12:10.00 | d1b | catsup_: oh. |
| 12:10.05 | dkay | Outl4w`, |
| 12:10.13 | dkay | ive worked it out |
| 12:10.19 | d1b | catsup_: you are aware that pf needs a giant lock still. |
| 12:10.24 | Outl4w` | dkay hurray \o/ :D |
| 12:10.24 | d1b | :) |
| 12:10.31 | dkay | lol, yes, |
| 12:10.44 | catsup_ | well actually i know very little about freebsd |
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| 12:11.15 | troubled | d1b: you tried the freebsd debian yet? does it work yet? |
| 12:11.36 | d1b | troubled: i did a while back. haven't tried it since it is officially an arch / target for the next release. |
| 12:11.37 | tote | rtorrent is using 20% memoery says htop |
| 12:11.41 | catsup_ | i once worked with it for a job and i found it intolerable because i was so used to the level of automation which debian provides |
| 12:11.42 | dkay | ill tell you it was just "apt-get install linuxlogo" "nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config PrintMotd yes" "nano /etc/rc.local >> script" "crontab -e linuxlogo entry" |
| 12:11.53 | d1b | it was fine. but if im in bsd land, im going openbsd. 4.6 |
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| 12:12.04 | tote | and there it almost stopped |
| 12:12.19 | troubled | tote: maybe try install sysstat so you have a way to go back an observe the system after a crash? |
| 12:12.36 | tote | troubled: ok, thanks |
| 12:12.52 | catsup_ | but with the debian userspace on top, the freebsd kernel seems very interesting |
| 12:13.07 | troubled | tote: i cant remember if its a seperate package, but theres a graphical isag tool that goes with it to view the graphs from sysstat you want too |
| 12:13.12 | julianr | got following problem: i mounted my external hd as user julian. when it becomes mounted it is owned by root and has 0500 rights |
| 12:13.16 | julianr | what should i do? |
| 12:13.43 | g00se | troubled: Great. All i need to do is find a multimedia ftp mirror and i'm done. That could be harder .. |
| 12:13.44 | troubled | julianr: vfat? |
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| 12:14.06 | tote | could there be a problem with me using linux raid and luks crypt? the io use to much cpu? |
| 12:14.06 | catsup_ | julianr: change your mount options to uid=julian,mode=0755 |
| 12:14.06 | julianr | i put "auto" in fstab |
| 12:14.16 | Selveste1 | there is some thing wrung with that line, freeBSD debian :S FreeBSD and debian is builded on to different set of kernels and idea :S |
| 12:14.19 | catsup_ | or mode=0700 maybe |
| 12:14.39 | jjosef | /join #cdbs |
| 12:14.44 | jjosef | arse :p |
| 12:15.00 | troubled | julianr: well, not sure about every os, but usually vfat is a typical situation where it will mount the user and permissions to be restrictive. there are mount options you can use to override that, `man 5 mount` |
| 12:15.03 | catsup_ | Selveste1: not really... they run almost all the same software |
| 12:15.10 | neant | there is no one on cdbs |
| 12:15.20 | troubled | errr s/every os/every fs/ |
| 12:15.36 | jjosef | neant: oh right, thanks |
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| 12:15.46 | neant | jjosef: np |
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| 12:16.51 | catsup_ | tote: that does not seem likely. one thing i thought is maybe your fs that holds the movies is corrupted. |
| 12:16.57 | catsup_ | uhh |
| 12:17.03 | catsup_ | or whatever it is you use bittorrent for |
| 12:17.08 | catsup_ | :p |
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| 12:18.14 | tote | catsup_: im using ext3 |
| 12:18.20 | Selveste1 | catsup_: bittorrent can be used to get a linux dist ;) |
| 12:18.39 | julianr | whenever i try mode=... in fstab i get |
| 12:18.40 | julianr | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 12:19.21 | Selveste1 | tote: I use a compiled version af transmission and it works verry well :P |
| 12:19.28 | troubled | julianr: first of all, what fs type is it when it mounts with the wrong permissions correctly |
| 12:19.31 | catsup_ | tote: did you fsck it any time lately? |
| 12:19.40 | neant | jjosef: do you know why there is no one on cdbd ? |
| 12:19.47 | catsup_ | tote: is it a seperate drive from the others? |
| 12:19.58 | julianr | i don't know the type |
| 12:19.59 | tote | catsup_: a couple of weeks ago when it crashed it did fsck i think |
| 12:20.09 | julianr | if i user vfat the same error appears |
| 12:20.12 | julianr | *use |
| 12:20.30 | tote | catsup_: and yes it is a seperate drive :) |
| 12:20.33 | troubled | julianr: what device name? you can always try "file -s /dev/XXXXX" |
| 12:20.54 | jjosef | neant: no, why? |
| 12:21.20 | tote | troubled: how do i use sysstat? |
| 12:21.21 | julianr | ? |
| 12:21.26 | catsup_ | is it an external drive? usb? maybe it is the driver |
| 12:21.53 | neant | jjosef: it's a gathering place usually |
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| 12:22.41 | troubled | tote: it just runs in the background, putting changes to disk every 5 or 10 minutes iirc. take a look in /etc/sysstat and maybe /etc/default/sysstat and look to make sure its enabled |
| 12:22.50 | troubled | and when in doubt, read the man page |
| 12:23.05 | tote | troubled: is it a daemon och cronbased? |
| 12:23.09 | jjosef | why can't people gather when I need them to be in a state of gathered |
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| 12:23.14 | tote | och => or* |
| 12:23.25 | julianr | the only problem i have is that i cant use mode |
| 12:23.34 | troubled | tote: thought it was cronbased, but there might be a daemon component, lemmie look |
| 12:23.47 | iceroot | is there a way to print all variables there names startet with backup/? i just want the names of all variables, not there content |
| 12:23.47 | julianr | everything works fine but just this "mode"-thing doesnt work |
| 12:24.00 | neant | because they are scared to die |
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| 12:24.25 | catsup_ | iceroot: the names of what variables? |
| 12:24.32 | troubled | tote: seems to be crontab based. but even then its still been handy to watch the system load crawl up and up to point of crash here on a few occassions |
| 12:24.35 | iceroot | catsup_: all the system have |
| 12:24.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | !recommends |
| 12:24.43 | iceroot | catsup_: all i get with echo $ tab tab |
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| 12:24.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | useless bot |
| 12:24.51 | catsup_ | iceroot: in your shell? type env|sed 's/=.*//' |
| 12:24.54 | jjosef | like wild antelope |
| 12:25.09 | iceroot | catsup_: yes in my shell. that sounds nice, thank you |
| 12:25.10 | tote | troubled: ok |
| 12:25.13 | jjosef | neant: are they hunted for a particular reason? |
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| 12:26.44 | julianr | actually only "auto" as fs type works |
| 12:26.56 | tote | what is console-kit-daemon? |
| 12:26.57 | troubled | Kamping_Kaiser: /msg dpkg listkeys recommends |
| 12:27.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | troubled: wilco |
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| 12:29.08 | Circuitsoft | Hello. Right now, apt-get install <something> spends a lot of time on the "Reading Database" step. |
| 12:29.12 | Circuitsoft | It didn't used to. |
| 12:29.23 | Circuitsoft | Is there some way to compact/defragment the package database? |
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| 12:33.53 | rgr | Has anyone here recently moved a debian system a new HD and if so what guide did you use? I'm concerned more about what not to copy rather than what I should copy. I guess a recursive "archive" cp from one disk to another would do it (taking care of home's partition in this case) and then just installing grub on the mbr of the new drive. Any pointers to good guides? |
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| 12:35.51 | Titan8990 | rgr, you want to use rsync with --exclude |
| 12:36.20 | bliip | hi, how can I check what graphic drivers I'm using? lsmod isn't very helpful it seems |
| 12:36.25 | Titan8990 | rgr, exclude /proc, /sys, /mnt, and /tmp, files to worry about: /etc/fstab /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:36.44 | troubled | rgr: if you use cp, use "cp -xa" |
| 12:36.45 | catsup_ | use -x to cp or rsync to exclude all other filesystems |
| 12:37.21 | catsup_ | cp -ax, rsync -Pax |
| 12:37.41 | Wyzard | Well, you do want to copy the /proc, /sys, etc. directories themselves -- just not their contents |
| 12:38.04 | catsup_ | rgr: you are putting a new HD in the same computer? |
| 12:38.35 | Wyzard | What I'd do is mkdir /mnt/rawroot; mount --bind / /mnt/rawroot |
| 12:38.55 | Wyzard | That gives you a view of your root filesystem without any other mounts on top of it (so /proc appears as the empty directory it really is, for example) |
| 12:39.01 | Wyzard | and use that as the place to cp or rsync from |
| 12:39.07 | catsup_ | um |
| 12:39.08 | riot | is anybody using an Edimax 1206U printserver with cups? I can't get it to print anything |
| 12:39.20 | rgr | Wyzard: crikey. never heard of that before. thanks. |
| 12:39.21 | catsup_ | Wyzard: the -x option does that |
| 12:40.00 | Wyzard | catsup_: There's a slight difference, though it probably doesn't matter in this case |
| 12:40.02 | catsup_ | i mean it will copy the dirs |
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| 12:40.31 | catsup_ | i guess it would use the permissions of the root of the mounted fs though, rather than those of the underlying mountpoint |
| 12:40.35 | Wyzard | catsup_: Just using -x will create the directories with the ownership/permissions of the root of the mounted filesystem, rather than those of the underlying empty-directory inode |
| 12:40.37 | Wyzard | yep |
| 12:41.13 | Wyzard | which probably doesn't matter, but I like to change the underlying permissions to 000 on the underlying directory for things that I don't want being accidentally written to when unmounted |
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| 12:43.16 | catsup_ | that's interesting Wyzard |
| 12:43.30 | beli | hi i am trying to compile postfix from the debian package tree....and i got error mkmap_open.c:90 Error: expected expressions before >>static<< |
| 12:43.34 | beli | and ideas? |
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| 12:44.14 | catsup_ | well beli i'm not sure this is the place, but what's at line 90 of that file? |
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| 12:46.25 | catsup_ | and what's right before it... that's what you have to look at. or you could try upgrading your build environment, checking for missing build deps, those are probably the culprits, consdering that it must have compiled for someone at some point |
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| 12:47.11 | beli | catsup_: yeah, i think its missing some deps...but which.....is mkmap_open for berkeley db oder mysql stuff? |
| 12:47.43 | catsup_ | beli: you did run apt-get build-dep postfix right? |
| 12:47.56 | beli | catsup_: nope...reading |
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| 12:48.11 | catsup_ | ah well yeah run that |
| 12:48.51 | alienn | Hi, is there a debian way to automaticly run module assistant when a new kernel ist installed? |
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| 12:49.12 | beli | catsup_: i didnt build debian stuff before really...i am a slackware guy, so i dont know all the apt stuff :) thanks for info |
| 12:49.46 | alienn | I know that there is a open bug report (#299727) that mentions this feature in 2005. But there is no real follow up |
| 12:49.54 | catsup_ | alienn: you have a hook in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 12:50.46 | catsup_ | see kernel-img.conf(5) |
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| 12:51.43 | alienn | catsup_: I have no man page for kernel-img.conf... Do I have to install a separate package for this? |
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| 12:51.57 | alienn | catsup_: I do have /etc/kernel-img.conf though |
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| 12:52.37 | catsup_ | alienn: i have the man page, from the package 'kernel-package' |
| 12:52.39 | beli | catsup_: still same error |
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| 12:54.46 | alienn | catsup_: This package was missing in my installation. I will have a further look at this. Thanks for the pointer |
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| 13:02.45 | M4K4V3l1_ | hi all |
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| 13:02.57 | M4K4V3l1_ | I have a trouble in mounting a remote directory with nfs.. I got this message error : access denied by server while mounting |
| 13:03.26 | M4K4V3l1_ | the server is turning in ubuntu.. and the client is debian |
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| 13:04.06 | catsup_ | haha |
| 13:04.24 | Rienzilla | M4K4V3l1_: is the client allowed to mount it? |
| 13:04.25 | catsup_ | ok technically i bet the problem is on the ubuntu machine |
| 13:04.53 | Rienzilla | (i.e., is its ip and path in /etc/exports, did you reload the nfs server?) |
| 13:04.57 | catsup_ | M4K4V3l1_: check your /etc/exports |
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| 13:05.12 | catsup_ | but your /etc/exports is ubuntu not debian :\ |
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| 13:06.39 | eevar2 | what is wrong with find / |
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| 13:06.47 | M4K4V3l1_ | back |
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| 13:07.22 | eevar2 | umm.. : find -d 1 /var/xxx |
| 13:07.27 | M4K4V3l1_ | Rienzilla: my host.deny is empty so I think there is no problem |
| 13:07.45 | M4K4V3l1_ | plus I am not using a firewall |
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| 13:08.00 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: you try looking at the logs on the ubuntu box yet? |
| 13:08.23 | eevar2 | i'm trying to list the full path name of all entries in /var/xxx |
| 13:08.32 | troubled | probably best to paste your exports file though to see the permissions |
| 13:08.40 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: what is the responsible file ? |
| 13:08.49 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: /etc/exports |
| 13:08.57 | troubled | (on the ubuntu box of course) |
| 13:09.05 | M4K4V3l1_ | yes I know |
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| 13:09.08 | M4K4V3l1_ | wait |
| 13:09.11 | troubled | eevar2: find /var -ls ? |
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| 13:09.33 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 13:09.42 | troubled | eevar2: the path needs to be the first arg, probably the source of your issue |
| 13:09.47 | gypsymauro | there is a repository for kde 4.3 for debian lenny? |
| 13:10.53 | eevar2 | troubled: yes, the error (which is translated into some weird locale..) complains about the ordering |
| 13:10.56 | eevar2 | of somethign |
| 13:11.27 | helo_ | gypsymauro: it works great in unstable :P |
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| 13:11.46 | eevar2 | just find . does what I want, except I need it to be non-recursive |
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| 13:12.13 | eevar2 | and can't figure out how/where to add -d 1 |
| 13:12.18 | gypsymauro | helo_: I know :) just I don't want to use unstable 'cause I'm so stable :) |
| 13:12.36 | troubled | eevar2: would be after the "find ." |
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| 13:13.32 | caraconan | Hi. To send a fax with hylafax + iaxmodem, is necessary some additional hardware or just simply the NIC? |
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| 13:14.44 | EmleyMoor | caraconan: FXO card |
| 13:14.44 | troubled | eevar2: I think you want: find /var -maxdepth 1 |
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| 13:14.48 | nkuttler | eevar2: man find, see -depth |
| 13:14.51 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled:I pasted everything here : http://pastebin.com/m5592502 |
| 13:14.55 | troubled | err, find /var/ -maxdepth 1 -ls |
| 13:15.04 | nkuttler | probably max+mindepth |
| 13:15.16 | caraconan | <EmleyMoor> thanks, I would search |
| 13:15.23 | caraconan | will search |
| 13:15.24 | eevar2 | maxdepth works yes. thanks |
| 13:15.46 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: on the ubuntu box, what does "showmount -e" show? |
| 13:16.06 | M4K4V3l1_ | it's fine.. but wait I will prove it |
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| 13:16.20 | EmleyMoor | Is there anything that is similar to cron but will run jobs that were missed due to the machine being off? (anacron won't do) |
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| 13:16.54 | themill | that's normally what anacron is supposed to do |
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| 13:17.31 | jelly | EmleyMoor: what's anacron missing? |
| 13:17.31 | EmleyMoor | themill: anacron doesn't repeat the job until the interval (in days) has elapsed |
| 13:17.31 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: root@makaveli:~# showmount -e 172.16.50.55 |
| 13:17.31 | M4K4V3l1_ | portmap getport: RPC: Success |
| 13:17.42 | simonrvn | an a |
| 13:17.57 | EmleyMoor | I would like the job to run at a set time or as soon as possible thereafter |
| 13:18.07 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: opps I think I have to type that in the server side |
| 13:18.08 | hyperzid | Is a load average of: 4.24, 3.50, 3.18 high? |
| 13:18.18 | ascii158 | EmleyMoor: like with at? |
| 13:18.24 | jelly | EmleyMoor: oh, more often than 24 hours? |
| 13:18.33 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: showmount -e 172.16.50.55 |
| 13:18.37 | simonrvn | has typed from machines with a load avg of 100 |
| 13:18.39 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: yes, on the server, "showmount -e" by itself should show your /home/amine dir |
| 13:18.39 | M4K4V3l1_ | root@far-laptop:~# showmount -e 172.16.50.52 |
| 13:18.40 | M4K4V3l1_ | Export list for 172.16.50.52: |
| 13:18.40 | M4K4V3l1_ | /home/amine 172.16.0.0/24,172.16.50.52 |
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| 13:18.47 | simonrvn | 1 cpu |
| 13:18.49 | M4K4V3l1_ | it's ok |
| 13:19.00 | jelly | EmleyMoor: you could have an @reboot job and your own timestamp method |
| 13:19.15 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: and on the debian box, what syntax are you using to mount the nfs? |
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| 13:19.27 | EmleyMoor | jelly: No - but if today's ran at 10:28 when I put the machine on, I don't want tomorrow's to wait until 10:28 if the machine is still on at 00:01 |
| 13:19.35 | chiiiiiz | hello |
| 13:19.39 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: mount -w 172.16.50.52:/home/amine /mnt/home |
| 13:19.47 | chiiiiiz | I am looking for help on a bash script |
| 13:19.57 | simonrvn | hyperzid: depending on # of cpus/cores, that could be normal, or check out for further study. |
| 13:20.01 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: also, on the debian box, when you run "showmount -e ip.of.ubuntu.server", do you also see /home/amine? |
| 13:20.22 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... @reboot jobs may help... but not a lot |
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| 13:20.37 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: yes |
| 13:20.54 | troubled | nods at simonrvn in the other cubicle at #linux-work :) |
| 13:21.01 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: I can see it in the client side.. not in the server side |
| 13:21.22 | simonrvn | troubled: wha? |
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| 13:21.25 | EmleyMoor | What I want are some once a day/week/month jobs that run at a specified time or at boot if the time has passed, but without affecting the next start time |
| 13:21.33 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: oops no.. I can see it too sorry |
| 13:22.00 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: so as you say my configuration seems to be basic and simple.. so what can be the problem :S |
| 13:22.18 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: what do you get when you do this on the debian: mount //ip.of.ubuntu.server/home/amine /mnt/home |
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| 13:22.54 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: root@far-laptop:~# mount -w 172.16.50.52:/home/amine /mnt/home |
| 13:22.54 | M4K4V3l1_ | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 172.16.50.52:/home/amine |
| 13:23.09 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: use my syntax |
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| 13:23.21 | M4K4V3l1_ | ok |
| 13:23.58 | troubled | err actually, i think my syntax should be: ip.of.ubuntu:/home/amine :) |
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| 13:24.09 | simonrvn | yes ;) |
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| 13:24.59 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: so try: mount 172.16.50.52:/home/amine /mnt/home (basically just without the -w) |
| 13:25.12 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: new error : root@far-laptop:~# mount //172.16.50.52:/home/amine /mnt/home |
| 13:25.13 | M4K4V3l1_ | mount.nfs: can't get address for //172.16.50.52 |
| 13:25.21 | alienn | I just figured out how ubuntu does automatic kernel module building when a new kernel ist installed. They use dkms. Is there a known good backport for lenny? |
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| 13:25.43 | troubled | sorry, corrected while you were away |
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| 13:26.00 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: root@far-laptop:~# mount 172.16.50.52:/home/amine /mnt/home |
| 13:26.00 | M4K4V3l1_ | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 172.16.50.52:/home/amine |
| 13:26.10 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: also, whats the ip of the debian box? |
| 13:26.22 | troubled | and whats in the ubuntu syslog |
| 13:26.30 | M4K4V3l1_ | 172.16.50.55 |
| 13:26.34 | M4K4V3l1_ | I will check |
| 13:27.03 | simonrvn | you allowed that host to connect and mount something? |
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| 13:27.13 | troubled | you should see something like: Oct 20 09:23:32 machinename mountd[123456]: authenticated mount request from ip-8.core.home:1007 for /somedir (/somedir) |
| 13:27.14 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: [258456.471688] audit(1255622171.431:3): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::rw" denied_mask="::rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=32739 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default" |
| 13:27.14 | M4K4V3l1_ | [258513.407852] audit(1255622228.458:4): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::rw" denied_mask="::rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=32765 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default" |
| 13:27.14 | M4K4V3l1_ | [258605.037562] audit(1255622320.234:5): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::rw" denied_mask="::rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=325 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default" |
| 13:27.18 | troubled | eek |
| 13:27.24 | M4K4V3l1_ | sorry for that |
| 13:27.24 | simonrvn | ...or have you covered that already? |
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| 13:27.29 | simonrvn | no pasty |
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| 13:27.46 | troubled | that just me or does it seem like selinux? |
| 13:28.25 | troubled | also, that doesnt seem to be related to nfs either |
| 13:29.23 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: I don't know |
| 13:29.27 | vodppp | hi, could anyone tell me how to change graphics/monitor settings using |
| 13:29.27 | vodppp | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in lenny? |
| 13:29.43 | vodppp | i can only change keyboard settings etc |
| 13:29.49 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: on server, what do you see when you do "grep "mountd" /var/log/syslog |
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| 13:30.29 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: nothing |
| 13:30.50 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, showmount -e seems to be showing the mount points fine from the debian box |
| 13:31.08 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 13:31.20 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: less /var/log/syslog and take a look near the end for any signs of nfs |
| 13:31.30 | M4K4V3l1_ | ok |
| 13:32.20 | EmleyMoor | might investigate anacron and cron to see if he can somehow find the middle ground himself |
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| 13:32.35 | troubled | hopefully its not selinux related though. ive nfc how to fix that |
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| 13:32.44 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: the file is empty :S.. was it compressed by logrotate ?.. |
| 13:33.19 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: im guessing so. that or your logging is disabled or broken on ubuntu, assuming it even logs there |
| 13:33.57 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: probably best you run off to #ubuntu and ask them how to find the logs for nfs errors you are getting on your system |
| 13:34.26 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: oopss I forgot.. you are right.. I am using syslog-ng instead :s.. so the logs are located in the centrilized log server |
| 13:34.34 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 13:34.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:34.44 | vodppp | sry, googled |
| 13:35.03 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: ok but thank you very much |
| 13:35.45 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: check the logs on the centralised server then :) |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | looks at pseubodot |
| 13:36.29 | yang | troubled: just to inform you, after I placed lilo back, it managed to boot up |
| 13:36.42 | troubled | yang: apt-get remove --purge grub :) |
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| 13:37.21 | helo_ | dpkg: can i lie and just pretend i'm using debian? |
| 13:37.22 | dpkg | helo_: i haven't a clue |
| 13:37.24 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: yes or I will disable remote log.. because I have no access to the log server :(.. but I will show you the log in few minutes |
| 13:37.34 | abrotman | helo_: no, you cannot |
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| 13:37.52 | helo_ | what if i accidentally say "ubuntu", but i really mean debian? |
| 13:37.54 | yang | troubled: however with a wrong kernel... |
| 13:37.58 | troubled | yang: although it might be worth checking that kinda setup in a vm or something and see what it takes to replicate and solve it. i was really interested in what that mbr option was in parted, never seen that before |
| 13:38.09 | abrotman | helo_: do you need help or not? |
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| 13:38.56 | troubled | yang: worst case, I suppose you could try install grub to the partition instead and leave lilo to do the mbr maybe? |
| 13:39.04 | jelly | dpkg: help helo_ |
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| 13:39.21 | troubled | i still really like grub as far as recovery options and changing the cmdline startup goes |
| 13:40.22 | yang | troubled: I changed the line image=/boot/bzImage to image=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-vserver-686 |
| 13:40.25 | yang | but now |
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| 13:40.39 | simonrvn | does too |
| 13:40.41 | yang | running lilo produces - Fatal: Setup length exceeds 31 maximum; kernel setup will overwrite boot loader |
| 13:40.45 | simonrvn | i wish grub2 worked on my oldworld box |
| 13:40.54 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: what can mean this ? : [338222.672103] console-kit-dae[5846]: segfault at 00000000 eip b7e26307 esp bfe370a4 error 4 |
| 13:41.12 | abrotman | M4K4V3l1_: didn't they tell you to go to #ubuntu ? |
| 13:41.17 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: no idea, try google |
| 13:41.41 | simonrvn | ...it means it crashed... |
| 13:41.51 | troubled | yang: heh, almost sounds like the same problem you had with grub :) |
| 13:42.05 | yang | troubled: should it be changed to image=vmlinuz (I kinda forgot how it goes with lilo) |
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| 13:42.14 | troubled | yang: wonder if its the path length? try symlink instead with a shorter name? |
| 13:42.21 | yang | ok |
| 13:42.45 | M4K4V3l1_ | abrotman: I am in trouble, and troubled is the only person at irc who try to help me.. and until now I can't be sure if the problem came from Ubuntu or Debian :s |
| 13:42.47 | troubled | woohoo, battin 0 for 10 today :) |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | M4K4V3l1_: then take him to #ubuntu with you, you are offtopic in this channel |
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| 13:43.25 | M4K4V3l1_ | anyway |
| 13:43.27 | abrotman | and if #ubuntu can't help, try ##linux |
| 13:43.42 | troubled | ya ##linux is probably the only place you wont get yelled at :) |
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| 13:43.58 | troubled | see what happens when you mix distros! ;) |
| 13:44.07 | yang | troubled: is it ok to have just "image=/vmlinuz" - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2009-01-21 19:53 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-vserver-686 |
| 13:44.12 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: haha |
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| 13:44.47 | troubled | yang: probably, unless your boot mount is a seperate partition, but I seem to recall you had everything on 1 part |
| 13:45.10 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: no but for real.. Linux lost his formal quality of support.. and the how to documentation seems to be too old |
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| 13:45.55 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: docs are usually only as old as the software that installed em. if anything, its the debian versions that tend to get old |
| 13:46.08 | jelly | M4K4V3l1_: try paying for support, see if it improves! |
| 13:46.14 | M4K4V3l1_ | I am wondering if it's not because there is more than 100 distro :s |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | M4K4V3l1_: do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 13:47.06 | M4K4V3l1_ | abrotman: debian is Linux |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | M4K4V3l1_: no, Debian can use the Linux Kernel, and a BSD kernel, and there is also Hurd |
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| 13:47.37 | troubled | M4K4V3l1_: I think that was a hint to try ##linux |
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| 13:49.36 | M4K4V3l1_ | troubled: ok thank you at all |
| 13:49.51 | EmleyMoor | Thanks to a friend I think I may have cracked my (ana)cron problem |
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| 13:54.30 | yang | troubled: well, now fails to boot with lilo aswell, could be a wrong kernel or sth. |
| 13:55.28 | troubled | hmm, just cant see how a bad kernel would stop lilo itself from booting |
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| 13:56.30 | troubled | seems like you should have at least booted a bit and panic'd when it couldnt find the initrd or something at a minumum |
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| 13:56.52 | yang | does vmlinuz.... include initrd.img ? |
| 13:56.58 | zfxp | I have a belkin F6D4050 |
| 13:57.08 | zfxp | Using the rt2870 chipset |
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| 13:57.17 | zfxp | is there any support for them nativly |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | !tell zfxp about rt2870 |
| 13:58.16 | troubled | yang: pretty sure vmlinuz is just a bzip'd kernel only |
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| 13:58.52 | zfxp | thank you sir. |
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| 13:59.06 | hid3 | Good afternood everyone |
| 13:59.19 | troubled | yang: worst case you could remake a kernel without an initrd, but lilo should at least still boot |
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| 14:00.27 | EmleyMoor | Looks like fcron could be what I'm looking for |
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| 14:02.34 | Cy | How could I install http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/package/libmp4v2-dev.php? |
| 14:02.42 | Cy | sorry libmp4v2-dev? |
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| 14:03.19 | reZo | im trying to chroot ssh + irssi, i every guide i look at talks about sftp, what has sftp go to do with chrooting ssh for irssi? :S |
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| 14:03.47 | liable | chrooting ssh? |
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| 14:04.44 | liable | everything mentions it because chrooting ssh is silly and is only easily done with scponly |
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| 14:05.51 | Cy | When I try to install it, it tells me this |
| 14:05.51 | Cy | http://pastebin.com/m18150b45 |
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| 14:05.56 | mjt | chrooting it is silly why? |
| 14:05.57 | hoxu | reZo, reasonably recent openssh versions have ChrootDirectory directive, you might want to have a look at it |
| 14:06.09 | troubled | reZo: is there something more specific that you are trying to accomplish? |
| 14:06.09 | reZo | okay |
| 14:06.14 | jelly | reZo: nothing, it uses ssh for sftp only in that context |
| 14:06.21 | reZo | sorry, talking about it in another channel, will discuss it here later if i get no where there |
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| 14:07.01 | liable | mjt: i suspect he means jailing, and thats not easily done |
| 14:07.02 | troubled | mjt: well, for starters, root can break out of chroots unless you use grsec or similar chroot restrictions |
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| 14:07.29 | jelly | liable: that's why we have vserver and/or openvz patches to do it properly |
| 14:08.07 | liable | jelly: and that wasnt mentioned, but, thats a totally different thing |
| 14:08.28 | liable | mjt: if you have some better idea, i would love to hear it |
| 14:08.33 | reZo | i'll check out grsec thanks |
| 14:08.38 | reZo | chroot / jailing |
| 14:08.39 | jelly | liable: but it is jail() done in a somewhat complete way |
| 14:08.50 | reZo | is there a difference between chroots and jails? |
| 14:08.52 | liable | jelly: true, but.. |
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| 14:09.21 | jelly | reZo: why do you want to do it? Security purposes? |
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| 14:09.27 | grul | is there any way to rename an existing screen (as if it would have been started with screen -S my_name)? |
| 14:09.32 | reZo | yes, security purposes jelly |
| 14:09.36 | yang | troubled: I am trying to update initramfs |
| 14:09.42 | yang | update-initramfs -k linux-image-2.6.26-1-vserver-686 doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:09.44 | hoxu | grul, man screen, search for "rename" |
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| 14:10.17 | troubled | yang: not really up on the exact syntax these days, but did it give a specific error? |
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| 14:10.21 | grul | hoxu, .. yeah i've done that |
| 14:10.42 | flokuehn | grul: try c-a A |
| 14:10.48 | lvh | what are the permissions of /tmp supposed to be? |
| 14:10.50 | hoxu | grul, I hope your search is not case-sensitive then... it's ":sessionname [name]" |
| 14:10.51 | lvh | 777, right? |
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| 14:10.56 | yang | You must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d. |
| 14:10.56 | yang | Usage: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs [OPTION]... |
| 14:11.02 | grul | flokuehn, it only renames the window inside the screen |
| 14:11.05 | hoxu | flokuehn, that renames only the first window afaik |
| 14:11.08 | jelly | grul: that name is basically the name of the socket file in SCREENDIR |
| 14:11.23 | jelly | lvh: no, 1777 |
| 14:11.28 | flokuehn | grul: hmm. |
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| 14:12.01 | yang | troubled: ok now its working |
| 14:12.03 | troubled | yang: im thinking it might be wanting it to be a certain filename format instead of exact filename. ie: "2.6.26-1-vserver-686", where it might assume the linux-image part. but the man page seems to suggest an "all" option |
| 14:12.05 | grul | hoxu, i don't get it. there's nothing like that in my man page |
| 14:12.13 | hoxu | flokuehn, already told the command, see above |
| 14:12.18 | Meths | yang: include only the version, not the filename e.g. update-initramfs -k 2.6.26-1-vserver-686 |
| 14:12.22 | Meths | troubled: yeah |
| 14:12.38 | hoxu | grul, screen 4.0.3-14 here on sid, but I'd imagine it's in stable version too |
| 14:12.44 | hoxu | grul, does the command work though? |
| 14:12.47 | grul | where do i type that? |
| 14:12.48 | yang | anything else I can try, while in this kernel... |
| 14:12.51 | yang | http://pastebin.com/m632635bf |
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| 14:12.59 | hoxu | grul, in screen command prompt, C-a : |
| 14:13.13 | flokuehn | hoxu: ah, didnt see it. thank you |
| 14:13.16 | grul | oh, let me try |
| 14:13.31 | grul | hoxu, it worked wonders. thanks |
| 14:13.51 | [1]sassyn | hi all |
| 14:13.57 | [1]sassyn | i need some help with usplash |
| 14:14.09 | grul | i didn't know about the screen command prompt at all :) |
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| 14:14.12 | [1]sassyn | it seems that on one machine usplash from lenny is working with no probelm |
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| 14:14.17 | [1]sassyn | on other new machine |
| 14:14.26 | [1]sassyn | i get the usplash until the udev |
| 14:14.33 | [1]sassyn | and the usplash disapper |
| 14:14.41 | troubled | yang: looked fine. did it actually make a initrd in /boot for you? |
| 14:15.09 | hoxu | grul, well, most users probably don't, you can get all the basic functions from bindings... |
| 14:15.24 | troubled | also, did you remember to add it to the lilo config and rerun lilo? |
| 14:16.00 | [1]sassyn | anyone? |
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| 14:17.54 | yang | troubled: It made, yes, I just try to figure out which part do I need to give into the "image=" filed of lilo.conf now http://pastebin.com/m515e006e |
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| 14:18.49 | McL0VIN | "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart" how do i test if it is working |
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| 14:19.27 | yang | troubled: the correct answer would probably be "image=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-vserver-686" |
| 14:19.49 | yang | troubled: but lilo gives an error , then |
| 14:20.03 | yang | I can add shorter name (symlink as you suggested) |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | [1]sassyn: uname -a ? |
| 14:21.01 | [1]sassyn | 2.6.28 Linux |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | that's not Debian |
| 14:21.07 | [1]sassyn | Debian lenny |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | and tha'ts not what 'uname -a' says |
| 14:21.22 | [1]sassyn | it is lenny 5.03 |
| 14:21.30 | [1]sassyn | wait let me check |
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| 14:22.29 | troubled | yang: been a long time since ive done lilo, but there is probably an initrd= line you need for that entry |
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| 14:22.42 | ranix | I'm doing something wrong, I realize, but I need php4 for some intranet-only legacy php webmail (or I could manually edit it to work with php5, which would be terrible). Lenny no longer has support for php4. I did compile php4 from source, but I do not get the libphp4.so library that apache needs. Does anyone know where / how I can build this library? |
| 14:22.59 | [1]sassyn | abrotman Linux Test 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:23.20 | abrotman | [1]sassyn: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. for starters |
| 14:23.52 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: I just finish compile 2.6.31 |
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| 14:24.08 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: the debian way with dkpg |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | then don't do it .. whatever ... |
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| 14:24.19 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: why? |
| 14:24.19 | troubled | yang: traditionally with lilo, you would just add a symlink for /vmlinuz to /boot/imagename, and a symlink for /initrd.img to /boot/initrdname and just point those at different files and rerun lilo (optionally with a backup entry as well to avoid unbootable systems if the kernel dies) |
| 14:24.35 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: is usplash requiers kenrel patch? |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | [1]sassyn: i have no desire to troubleshoot your kernel configuration and usplash |
| 14:24.56 | abrotman | half the people compiling kernels have no clue what they're doing |
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| 14:25.34 | abrotman | ranix: last time i tried, the docs on php.net covered it pretty well |
| 14:26.04 | ranix | abrotman: I'm having trouble finding relevent docs |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php ? |
| 14:26.11 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: the only resone I compile the kernel is that XEN is in old version in debian |
| 14:26.32 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: and I need to have some drivers which included in 2.6.31 |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | that's nice .. do you want xen or usplash? i'm not going to debug your kernel and usplash |
| 14:26.49 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: and - I think I know my ways in debian |
| 14:26.55 | abrotman | okay .. then have fun |
| 14:27.07 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: But i don't know how to debug this |
| 14:27.16 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: On one computer it is working |
| 14:27.27 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: on the other it stop when udev is starting up |
| 14:27.30 | troubled | <3 same old abrotman :) |
| 14:27.36 | [1]sassyn | abrotman: do u have any idea? |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | troubled: same old users that don't listen, but want help |
| 14:27.43 | moty66 | why when I write sudo -i, debian ask me to enter the user password instead of the root password (i am on lenny stable on PPC) |
| 14:27.55 | abrotman | moty66: that's how it's supposed to work |
| 14:27.59 | troubled | abrotman: I aint arguing that :) |
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| 14:28.19 | moty66 | abrotman: but I have to write the root password, is that correct ? |
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| 14:28.35 | keylocker | have some way to rebuild dpkg state dir (/var/lib/dpkg) ? |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | ranix: not sure if that's what oyu meant or not .. |
| 14:28.45 | abrotman | keylocker: all of it? |
| 14:28.50 | keylocker | all |
| 14:28.54 | keylocker | abrotman: all |
| 14:28.56 | keylocker | accidental removal |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | !tell keylocker about very fubar status file |
| 14:29.21 | muddd | oopsies |
| 14:29.35 | abrotman | keylocker: that's probably the most important bit to get you moving again |
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| 14:30.25 | ypnos | I installed a package which has a dependency problem |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | ypnos: paste the output/problem at paste.debian.net |
| 14:30.56 | ypnos | wait |
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| 14:31.10 | liable | no |
| 14:31.18 | ypnos | explanation is enough: I fixed this with dpkg, but now everytime I want to install sth else, aptitude wants to remove the pkg in question |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 14:31.30 | keylocker | abrotman: i see ill have a looooooong travel to take my system back |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | keylocker: check /var/backups/ |
| 14:31.41 | ypnos | ok so how do I resolve this properly |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | ypnos: paste the output/problem at paste.debian.net |
| 14:31.59 | keylocker | abrotman: some aptitude backups |
| 14:32.06 | keylocker | and dpkg also |
| 14:32.44 | CodeNinja | is there a way to use taskset+pidof to set the affinity for a specific program (which launches 2 pid's, both of which need to have the affinity set) |
| 14:32.58 | ypnos | http://paste.debian.net/49539/ here you go |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | ypnos: aptitude -f install |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | judd: versions libmozilla-ldap-perl |
| 14:33.23 | judd | abrotman: libmozilla-ldap-perl -- |
| 14:33.32 | abrotman | ypnos: where did you get that package from ? |
| 14:33.33 | ypnos | and I should do that everytime until eternity :/ |
| 14:33.44 | ypnos | some guy who built pkgs for 389 server |
| 14:33.46 | ypnos | debian dev |
| 14:33.59 | sway | huh. my /bin/pid is linked to /sbin/killall |
| 14:34.04 | sway | how cute |
| 14:34.04 | abrotman | judd: versions perl |
| 14:34.12 | judd | abrotman: perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6 etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6 lenny: 5.10.0-19 sid: 5.10.1-5 squeeze: 5.10.1-5 |
| 14:34.23 | ypnos | -f doesn't help |
| 14:34.28 | abrotman | ypnos: it's going to get removed, ask the guy to build it for Lenny |
| 14:34.46 | sway | s/pid/pidof/ |
| 14:34.47 | ypnos | ok so there is no imminent solution apart from changing the pkg? |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | ypnos: if you do "aptitude -f install" .. it should suggest to remove that broken package |
| 14:35.10 | ypnos | yes it wants to remove it I would like it to stay |
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| 14:35.35 | ypnos | ok so thx for your help anyway! |
| 14:35.37 | troubled | CodeNinja: $! Expands to the process ID of the most recently executed background (asynchronous) command. |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:35.47 | abrotman | thinks no one wants help today ... |
| 14:35.50 | McL0VIN | after "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart" how do i test if it is working |
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| 14:36.04 | troubled | CodeNinja: perhaps if you used a bash script to start the app you could immediately taskset $! ? |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | McL0VIN: define 'working'? .. you can telnet to the port i believe |
| 14:36.26 | asg | McL0VIN: tftp something from it |
| 14:36.39 | McL0VIN | abrotman: nmap is saying it is closed |
| 14:36.49 | CodeNinja | troubled: if the first process starts and is set for 0x000000002 will the next process that the first one starts be started with the same affinity? |
| 14:36.50 | odla | if i have a lxde/xfce cd for lenny can i get tasksel to run gnome-desktop instead? |
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| 14:37.54 | CodeNinja | troubled: you know what, now that I think about it, I don't think the first process needs it just the second one |
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| 14:38.50 | troubled | CodeNinja: no idea, never played with taskset before, just offering a suggestion |
| 14:39.11 | abrotman | odla: you could just `aptitude install gnome` after it's done installing |
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| 14:39.55 | CodeNinja | troubled: it seems that pidof -s returns the pid I want every time, so I can taskset -p 0x00000002 `pidof <myprocess>` |
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| 14:40.02 | odla | sure ... thanks i'll do that ... that way i'll end up with less packages i don't need anyways |
| 14:40.32 | keylocker | abrotman: this dselect will download all installed packages again? |
| 14:40.50 | troubled | CodeNinja: diff approach I guess. keep in mind though that if you pidof a name that has multiple occurances, it will return multiple pid's |
| 14:40.57 | ranix | abrotman: thanks bro, this looks relevent |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | keylocker: i think it will try to set the package states correctly |
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| 14:41.10 | sway | 'The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.' -Samuel Johnson |
| 14:41.21 | keylocker | abrotman: but what it will do with package filelist? |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | sway: wrong channel |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | keylocker: try it and see .. |
| 14:41.39 | troubled | CodeNinja: nm, you mentioned -s but left it out of the example |
| 14:41.44 | sway | abrotman: do you comment on everything i type in this channel? |
| 14:41.46 | optraz | hi, my text wont show properly in debian, text like mandarin |
| 14:41.46 | CodeNinja | ?? |
| 14:41.56 | CodeNinja | oh |
| 14:41.57 | CodeNinja | dur |
| 14:41.59 | CodeNinja | I see lol |
| 14:41.59 | troubled | :) |
| 14:42.06 | keylocker | thinking in s/dselect --expert/xargs aptitude -y reinstall/g |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | sway: are you always offtopic? |
| 14:42.08 | panfist_ | sorry if this is an annoying question...but is there a reason that java, jdk, etc aren't in my repos? I'm reading a few guides online and none of them mention adding any repos to get these packages |
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| 14:42.36 | ranix | panfist_: there are free jvms in main and contrib, you can find the actual Sun versions in non-free |
| 14:42.41 | sway | abrotman: interesting. fair enough. |
| 14:42.47 | ranix | !java |
| 14:42.47 | dpkg | from memory, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:42.50 | CodeNinja | w00ts |
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| 14:43.39 | CodeNinja | nano /usr/bin/affinity #!/bin/bash taskset -p 0x0000000$1 `pidof -s $2` for the win |
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| 14:43.54 | troubled | CodeNinja: curious, is there a simple way to make it so everything starts on a specific cpu/core unless you override it, no matter what? |
| 14:44.09 | CodeNinja | troubled: I've been trying to figure that out myself |
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| 14:44.23 | CodeNinja | I had figured it out on windows, and then I dumped windows like a bad gf |
| 14:44.29 | CodeNinja | still haven't figured it out yet |
| 14:44.38 | CodeNinja | so far my affinity bash script works well enough |
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| 14:44.49 | muddd | would someone be willing to check if my vpn server is accepting connections and actually sharing a directory for me? |
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| 14:45.15 | optraz | hi, my text wont show properly in debian, text like mandarin |
| 14:45.17 | troubled | CodeNinja: well, i figure you could always make a startup script that cycles through everything on start once and forces it to whereever, but it doesnt seem like it would handle all the periodic running stuff after the fact |
| 14:45.23 | CodeNinja | muddd: as far as checking if it is listening, nmap-online.com :) beyond that, can't help you |
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| 14:45.29 | muddd | ah ok |
| 14:45.31 | muddd | thx thats a start |
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| 14:45.53 | CodeNinja | troubled: you're correct, I am sure there is a way, just need to look around a bit I think, |
| 14:46.00 | muddd | some people are hesitant to "connect to an unknown system" but I dont see what the big deal is if your system is up to date... oh well |
| 14:46.09 | CodeNinja | there has to be, because by default everything starts on the furthest core meaning 'all' |
| 14:47.01 | CodeNinja | muddd: its paranoia :P also I don't have a vpn client setup |
| 14:47.17 | CodeNinja | I'd be happy to run an nmap for you, but I won't connect |
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| 14:47.55 | muddd | nah that site worked for me. |
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| 14:48.18 | keylocker | abrotman: btw, recreating dirs on hands, recover /var/backups/ and use you script twice (one with aptitude -y install for what isnt "installed" and another to reinstall what is there but corrupted) appear to work |
| 14:48.25 | keylocker | im waiting the end of aptitude process |
| 14:48.28 | Crippler | Hi. Does Lenny support ext4 r/w ? |
| 14:48.32 | keylocker | anyway, thanks a lot guy! |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | Crippler: not with the kernel it ships with, you'd need to get the .30 from backports.org |
| 14:48.53 | muddd | i'm stuck :( |
| 14:49.19 | jelly | in the muddd? |
| 14:49.24 | muddd | yeah kinda heh |
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| 14:50.17 | CodeNinja | troubled: if you can find out how the system sets the affinities of processes when they start I'm sure you can change it, also you can use taskset to start a process, so you could do taskset 0x000000002 myprocess and it will start your process with that affinity, but wrapping every command on the system in that would be too much I think |
| 14:50.22 | Crippler | ok. New bare minimial install is Amarok1.4 broken (covers, lyrics and wikibrowser) none of these are working. |
| 14:50.47 | troubled | CodeNinja: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799 seems like a good read btw |
| 14:51.03 | CodeNinja | Crippler: amarok :( exaile :D |
| 14:51.05 | McL0VIN | can someone please help me , Debian 5.0.3 Linux 2.6.6-2-686 http://pastebin.ca/1632757 |
| 14:51.12 | McL0VIN | ^^ nmap issue |
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| 14:52.06 | Crippler | Amarok seems helluva buggy. I will try exail. |
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| 14:53.03 | troubled | CodeNinja: it seems to mention that "CPU affinity is inherited across a fork(). All of a process' children receive the same CPU affinity mask as their parent.". Perhaps if you just set the affinity of the init process (pid 1), it would inherit? |
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| 14:53.18 | troubled | then just tweak individual processes after that on a per app basis? |
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| 14:54.16 | CodeNinja | troubled: that is a good read so far |
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| 14:54.55 | CodeNinja | troubled: the downside to setting the affinity of init like that is that ALL processes would then be of that affinity, but you still couldn't scatter them during boot |
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| 14:55.29 | asg | McL0VIN: tftp is udp, you are doing a tcp scan. Try -sU |
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| 14:56.29 | CodeNinja | troubled: did you read the section about affinity bits O.O supports up to 4 million affinities |
| 14:56.38 | vi390 | I have a serial Interface (ttyUSB0) which just keeps on being available after I unplug it. Is there a way to force it being unlinked? |
| 14:56.48 | McL0VIN | asg: samething |
| 14:56.53 | troubled | CodeNinja: but if you did affinity of init on startup and it did chainreact as expected, couldnt you just set the mask for that the system gets 2 or 3 cores only? |
| 14:56.58 | CodeNinja | vi390: try lsusb in a terminal? |
| 14:57.28 | troubled | CodeNinja: i mean after all, its just a bitmask of what cpu's its allowed to be on. nothing says you have to make it only 1 cpu/core |
| 14:57.28 | asg | McL0VIN: is the ip the same as the box you are running it from? |
| 14:57.30 | greycat | hotpluggable serial ports... wow. the times are a-changing. |
| 14:57.40 | troubled | greycat! |
| 14:57.43 | vi390 | CodeNinja: its gone there, but it does not reflect it in /dev |
| 14:57.48 | McL0VIN | asg: yes |
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| 14:57.57 | troubled | asg! |
| 14:57.58 | asg | McL0VIN: are you running nmap as root? |
| 14:58.04 | asg | troubled: hi |
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| 14:58.12 | monkey_boy26 | hi |
| 14:58.15 | CodeNinja | troubled: yes, but you would still have all processes created after init be running on those cores, so you'd still have to specifically scatter any processes you wanted to after that |
| 14:58.15 | monkey_boy26 | i have a problem |
| 14:58.18 | McL0VIN | slap /me on the face |
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| 14:58.20 | greycat | vi390: udev is responsible for this stuff, but I've never heard of hotpluggable serial devices before. |
| 14:58.31 | greycat | vi390: you can try #udev possibly. |
| 14:58.41 | mynewnick123 | How can I get the list of packages I manually installed (i.e. I did apt-get install package) |
| 14:58.43 | jelly | greycat: well... they're hotpluggable usb devices to be honest |
| 14:58.49 | vi390 | greycat: ftdi, USB interface |
| 14:58.54 | McL0VIN | asg: yes i was , i thought i shouldn't |
| 14:58.56 | greycat | jelly: yeah, I got that part from the USB in the device name |
| 14:58.58 | troubled | CodeNinja: ya, kinda what I was suggesting I think. so say you had 8 cores to play with, you could say put init on 1 through 4, and the 5 through 8 you could save for specific apps |
| 14:58.59 | monkey_boy26 | i need to backup this folder: /boot in an image called boot.img |
| 14:59.03 | monkey_boy26 | how do i do that? |
| 14:59.10 | monkey_boy26 | so i can mount it later in another folder? |
| 14:59.14 | mynewnick123 | I.e. the ones that auto-remove won't touch |
| 14:59.14 | monkey_boy26 | please help |
| 14:59.19 | McL0VIN | asg: nmap -sU -p69 192.168.1.108 |
| 14:59.39 | CodeNinja | troubled: right, then you'd have to wrap each process you wanted to start on 5-8 in a taskset (or find out how the system deals with preset affinities) |
| 14:59.44 | vi390 | ok, gonna ask the guys at #udev, maybe they know whats going on there |
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| 14:59.50 | monkey_boy26 | guys? |
| 14:59.52 | CodeNinja | which if you find that, you wouldn't need to hack init into doing so |
| 14:59.53 | monkey_boy26 | please help? |
| 14:59.58 | monkey_boy26 | how do i create a file .img? |
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| 15:00.03 | jelly | greycat: rather cheap, too: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.24512 |
| 15:00.04 | monkey_boy26 | a backup for a folder? |
| 15:00.13 | greycat | monkey_boy26: tar cf boot.img -C / boot # but it is very odd to name a tar archive boot.img |
| 15:00.22 | monkey_boy26 | exactly |
| 15:00.23 | petemc | monkey_boy26: why do you want it to be a .img ? |
| 15:00.28 | monkey_boy26 | i need it .img |
| 15:00.33 | monkey_boy26 | so i can mount it later |
| 15:00.36 | monkey_boy26 | in another folder |
| 15:00.39 | CodeNinja | haha troubled actually that link covers the hacking of init to do such a thing XD |
| 15:00.41 | monkey_boy26 | it's my homeworg |
| 15:00.44 | monkey_boy26 | homework |
| 15:00.52 | monkey_boy26 | i've been trying for 4 hours |
| 15:00.52 | stbuehler | aptitude gives me "Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.de.debian.org:http'" after debootstrap sid in the chroot (ping in chroot works, mounted /sys, /dev, /proc) |
| 15:00.53 | troubled | CodeNinja: cool, still reading :) |
| 15:01.01 | greycat | monkey_boy26: you literally need a MOUNTABLE file? |
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| 15:01.11 | greycat | monkey_boy26: not a tar archive? |
| 15:01.11 | monkey_boy26 | a MOUNTABLE file .img |
| 15:01.14 | stbuehler | is there anything i could to to fix it? |
| 15:01.15 | monkey_boy26 | exactly |
| 15:01.39 | monkey_boy26 | i couldn't find a package for mkfs |
| 15:01.49 | monkey_boy26 | i tried with mkisofs |
| 15:01.50 | greycat | monkey_boy26: create an empty file that's large enough to hold all the content. create an ext2 file system inside it. mount it with "-o loop". copy the stuff into it. unmount it. |
| 15:02.04 | greycat | do not use mkisofs or ISO9660 unless you want the thing to be read-only |
| 15:02.15 | monkey_boy26 | that's my problem |
| 15:02.22 | monkey_boy26 | can we talk private? |
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| 15:02.23 | greycat | (but if you can live with read-only, that's not a bad solution) |
| 15:02.23 | mynewnick123 | monkey_boy26: dd if=/dev/zero of=file.img bs=1024x1024 count=1 seek=$SIZE_IN_MB |
| 15:02.28 | CodeNinja | troubled: essentially though there has to be somewhere that these affinities are set (because init hasn't gotten there yet, it assumes 'all') |
| 15:02.53 | stew | monkey_boy26: use dd to create the empty file (it will let you specify the size of the file it creates). create the filesystem with mkfs.ext2 or mkfs.ext3 or something similar |
| 15:02.54 | jelly | mynewnick123: size_in_mb - 1, you meant? |
| 15:03.03 | stew | monkey_boy26: all of these commands come with manpages, of course |
| 15:03.04 | mynewnick123 | monkey_boy26: Or, probably better dd if=/dev/zero of=file.img bs=1 count=1 seek=$SIZE_IN_BYTES_MINUS_1 |
| 15:03.07 | mynewnick123 | jelly: yep |
| 15:03.24 | sway | is there a size limit on fifo's? |
| 15:03.38 | greycat | mynewnick123: weird. I'd personally use something like bs=1048576 count=10 or whatever |
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| 15:03.53 | monkey_boy26 | i can't use mkfs ? |
| 15:03.55 | mynewnick123 | greycat: For a sparse file? |
| 15:04.01 | stew | monkey_boy26: why can't you? |
| 15:04.05 | monkey_boy26 | it says command unknown |
| 15:04.08 | greycat | mynewnick123: why would you want it to be sparse? |
| 15:04.13 | monkey_boy26 | i tried installing packeges |
| 15:04.17 | troubled | CodeNinja: meh, worst case I figure just iterate through all pid's and force their mask. from that point, everything new should be forced to the proper affinity moments after startup. perhaps not as good as hacking init to default it, but "good enough" perhaps? |
| 15:04.21 | monkey_boy26 | still command unknown |
| 15:04.28 | greycat | monkey_boy26: /sbin/mkfs.ext2 |
| 15:04.31 | mynewnick123 | greycat: I dunno. I almost always use sparse for images like this. |
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| 15:04.42 | mynewnick123 | greycat: No reason for it :) |
| 15:04.55 | troubled | CodeNinja: also, might be worth looking at the last comment about setting irq affinity as well so that everything there is also limited to the same mask. then your app gets 100% of the cores you assign it? |
| 15:04.57 | CodeNinja | troubled: yeah, I'm still considering what you were saying about writing a bash script to set affinities for specific processes |
| 15:05.04 | McL0VIN | asg: well still same error |
| 15:05.12 | CodeNinja | troubled: let me read that part real quic |
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| 15:05.34 | troubled | CodeNinja: well, if its tweakable through /proc/<pid>/ you could probably just write a quick find command with -exec |
| 15:06.13 | mac345 | hi, i currently have only an xp laptop and a box without a cd drive that boots from usb, is there anyway to make a usb install img from xp? |
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| 15:06.24 | CodeNinja | troubled: yeah |
| 15:06.46 | greycat | they make USB CD drives, by the way. |
| 15:06.53 | mac345 | i just made the live version usb to find it doesnt seem to have the installer (or am i tard) |
| 15:07.00 | greycat | it might be worth getting one of those for any future endeavors on this machine |
| 15:07.01 | liable | also usb images |
| 15:07.34 | stew | mac345: it has the installer |
| 15:07.59 | mac345 | im on the lxde live usb image |
| 15:08.24 | sway | the only cd's are data cd's |
| 15:08.27 | monkey_boy26 | thank you guys |
| 15:08.42 | mac345 | wheres the installer? |
| 15:08.47 | troubled | CodeNinja: also, on my system it appears they are under /proc/irq/<#>/smp_affinity, not /proc/sys |
| 15:09.18 | asg | McL0VIN: is your network up? did you verify that you had raw socket support in your kernel? |
| 15:09.19 | stew | mac345: oh, wait, i guess it isn't included by default: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/debian-installer.html |
| 15:09.22 | CodeNinja | troubled: I think that was written in regards to redhat or something |
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| 15:09.35 | stew | mac345: you could use debootstrap if you know what you are doing |
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| 15:09.50 | troubled | CodeNinja: perhaps. maybe diff kernel version though, not sure (im using etch which is ancient anyways) |
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| 15:10.02 | CodeNinja | I'm on lenny |
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| 15:10.09 | mac345 | cant i like apt-get the installer? |
| 15:10.13 | McL0VIN | asg: my network is up, because i am ssh to that box, no i haven't check yet |
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| 15:10.53 | asg | McL0VIN: you could always run nmap from the machine you are currently using |
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| 15:10.59 | stew | mac345: no, the installer doesn't run from inside debian |
| 15:11.05 | CodeNinja | nmap-online.com ftw |
| 15:11.23 | McL0VIN | asg: FATAL: Module af_packet not found |
| 15:11.28 | CodeNinja | see what your system is ACTUALLY showing you regardless of your network |
| 15:11.38 | asg | CodeNinja: it's likely that he doesn't have tftp open to the outside |
| 15:11.46 | mac345 | to clarify there is no usb installer img? |
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| 15:12.12 | stew | mac345: there are instructions on making one in the install guide: /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 15:12.41 | McL0VIN | asg: no , i don't want it to be for outside...i am trying to upgrade my cisco ios which sits next to my box |
| 15:12.45 | ranix | anybody know off the top of their head whether the apache2 metapackage installs prefork or threaded apache2? |
| 15:12.59 | asg | ranix: I think it asks you to install one or the other |
| 15:13.08 | stew | judd: depends apache2 |
| 15:13.08 | judd | stew: apache2 -- Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny2) | apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny2) | apache2-mpm-event (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny2) |
| 15:13.28 | mac345 | stew thx |
| 15:13.32 | ranix | looks like prefork |
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| 15:13.35 | ranix | thanks stew |
| 15:13.37 | stew | so it will install apache2-mpm-worker if left to choose on its own |
| 15:13.38 | mac345 | strange that someone hasnt just made some |
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| 15:13.47 | ranix | oh that's an or |
| 15:13.51 | CodeNinja | asg: thats what nmap-online would help him figure out |
| 15:13.54 | asg | McL0VIN: does netstat -nul show port 69/udp open? |
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| 15:14.48 | asg | CodeNinja: it would help him determine if his firewall allows tftp from the internet but not if his tftpd is actually working |
| 15:14.50 | McL0VIN | asg: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* |
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| 15:14.54 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 15:15.22 | asg | McL0VIN: then I'd say that it is listening. |
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| 15:16.04 | McL0VIN | asg: but i can't send to it from my siwtch |
| 15:16.16 | asg | McL0VIN: if it isn't and it's just inetd playing silly buggers, you will see errors in /var/log/syslog most likely. |
| 15:16.19 | CodeNinja | McL0VIN: do you have forwarding/dmz setup? |
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| 15:16.41 | cr3rzemjest | i'm trying to use non-wacom tablet. (without any configuration there is mouse movement when i press the pen very hard) i've found 'gaiptek' which is software used to configure the tablet. however when it starts it says "there is no xserver input driver associated with the tablet" |
| 15:16.43 | McL0VIN | CodeNinja: no |
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| 15:17.18 | McL0VIN | ahhhh fuck it , this is take longer than what it should take, i will wait until i go home then work it |
| 15:18.15 | mynewnick123 | Where does apt store which packages are manually installed? |
| 15:18.15 | McL0VIN | while i can see everything infront of me |
| 15:18.16 | asg | McL0VIN: also, check your tcpwrappers config to make sure that your switch is allowed to connect to the tftpd |
| 15:18.16 | cr3rzemjest | AFAIK i need to use 'aiptek' driver (but when i use modprobe to load it nothing changes). how do i "tell" Xorg to use aiptek, so that i can configure other stuff (pen pressure, work area etc) with gaiptek? |
| 15:18.30 | xoz | mynewnick123: what do you mean? |
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| 15:20.48 | mynewnick123 | xoz: Found it, /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 15:21.44 | McL0VIN | asg: FATAL: Module af_packet not found |
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| 15:23.01 | asg | McL0VIN: it may have been built into the kernel and not as a module, like the error says. Either way, getting nmap to work is not the issue, getting tftpd is so check your logs for errors, check your tcpwrappers config to make sure the switch is allowed to connect. |
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| 15:24.51 | McL0VIN | asg: tcpwrappers? |
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| 15:25.10 | asg | McL0VIN: man hosts.allow, man hosts.deny |
| 15:25.13 | greycat | /etc/hosts.deny etc. |
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| 15:26.30 | McL0VIN | asg: will do |
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| 15:27.24 | McL0VIN | need a cig |
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| 15:29.18 | MattCampbell | Are there any instructions on how to manually set up a working Debian system without using the Debian installer? e.g. using a LiveCD, creating the partitions and filesystem, running debootstrap, etc. |
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| 15:30.03 | ranix | !debootstrap |
| 15:30.03 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 15:30.38 | ranix | MattCampbell: emdebian's project pages also have some good guides if you're doing anything unusual |
| 15:31.02 | greycat | sounds like he's just after the basics right now |
| 15:31.30 | MattCampbell | I'll check out Emdebian though. |
| 15:31.53 | stew | !debootstrap is also http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:31.53 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:32.03 | MattCampbell | I want to develop a server appliance (running x86 mini-ITX hardware) based on Debian. |
| 15:32.43 | ranix | sounds like fun |
| 15:33.02 | MattCampbell | Of course for initial experimentation on my prototype unit I'll install Debian in the usual way. But I thought it might be helpful to understand how to install Debian using debootstrap. |
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| 15:34.45 | sway | i think debootstrap is cool |
| 15:35.48 | mynewnick123 | Is KDE in sid broken, or I have a problem? |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | what makes you think it's broken? |
| 15:37.16 | greycat | quite possibly both |
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| 15:37.17 | mynewnick123 | apt refuses to install kde-full |
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| 15:38.22 | McL0VIN | when i telnet from my switch to my box i get "Connection refused by remote host" |
| 15:38.38 | greycat | good! |
| 15:38.46 | abchirk | yeah, really good |
| 15:38.52 | module000 | definately dont' want that going through |
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| 15:39.41 | jeff_hann | mynewnick123: what error messages? |
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| 15:40.06 | jeff_hann | and what is the content of your sources.list? |
| 15:40.24 | kroddn | how (in C/C++) can I figure out the MAC adress of a network interface, as non-root user too ? |
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| 15:41.01 | module000 | kroddn: this is probably nto the best way to do it...but i would just read proc |
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| 15:41.17 | asg | kroddn: try #c |
| 15:41.24 | module000 | kroddn: i'm sure there is a specific lib that has a function to do it and return it in a fancy OO manner...but that probably just reads /proc also :P |
| 15:41.24 | greycat | I think it's ##c |
| 15:41.37 | mynewnick123 | jeff_hann: Rough translation from my locale: kde-full required kdeadmin (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed. kdeadmin says the same about kcron (>= 4:4.3.1-1). apt-get install kcron works fine. |
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| 15:41.51 | troubled | CodeNinja: whatever you do, dont iterate through all the pid's and force the affinity to only 1 cpu :) |
| 15:41.58 | asg | greycat: ah, good point. |
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| 15:42.03 | kroddn | asg: what do you mean? |
| 15:42.11 | greycat | kroddn: he means ask the channel ##c |
| 15:42.19 | mynewnick123 | deb http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free # Plus the respective deb-src line |
| 15:42.21 | asg | kroddn: the irc channel ##c will help you. This channel is for Debian support |
| 15:42.31 | kroddn | good idea :-) |
| 15:42.54 | CodeNinja | troubled: :X bad juju, thats like.... putting yourself back on a 286 lol |
| 15:42.54 | greycat | although I'm not sure ##c is the right venue either, since the question is *incredibly* OS-specific |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | mynewnick123: if you want your system to work all the time, using unstable is usually not the best route |
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| 15:42.55 | jeff_hann | mynewnick123: if you add a line with testing it'll work |
| 15:43.03 | troubled | CodeNinja: i tried it, but when I did, it hit some process that didnt like to be forced to a diff cpu and it locked the system up hard :) even scrambled the video on the console |
| 15:43.19 | CodeNinja | ouch |
| 15:43.31 | CodeNinja | troubled: my video gets scrambled like that sometimes when I reboot |
| 15:43.39 | mynewnick123 | abrotman: I should probably choose testing then, I guess |
| 15:43.43 | CodeNinja | pushes markizano |
| 15:43.45 | CodeNinja | :) |
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| 15:44.08 | jeff_hann | mynewnick123: testing/unstable and aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 15:44.19 | abrotman | oh there's a great plan .. |
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| 15:44.44 | CodeNinja | thats the best plan since unsliced bread |
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| 15:44.50 | troubled | CodeNinja: im guessing that you probably can do it if you limit your taskset to only userspace stuff. i would leave the kernel pid's alone |
| 15:44.51 | Meaw | trying, apt-get install software says :E no enough space in /var/apt/archives? |
| 15:44.58 | Meaw | why, i have enough space in /var |
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| 15:45.06 | jeff_hann | Meaw: df -ah |
| 15:45.08 | asg | Meaw: df -i |
| 15:45.08 | CodeNinja | troubled: yeah... no intentions of playing with system pid's just stuff I start |
| 15:45.20 | asg | Meaw: make sure you have enough inodes as well |
| 15:45.40 | markizano | hello all, I just installed debian lenny, migrating from ubuntu... |
| 15:45.44 | markizano | using Atheros AR242x (ar5007x) wireless chip |
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| 15:45.53 | Meaw | asg, 6% used |
| 15:46.04 | markizano | debian can detect wlan0, but i get no results on wireless networks |
| 15:46.16 | markizano | i'm sitting not more than 6in from my router... :/ |
| 15:46.22 | troubled | CodeNinja: well, in 10minutes when that system finishes its fsck and 2min POST....ill try something a little less agressive :) |
| 15:46.43 | markizano | anybody might be able to help me find my wireless networks? |
| 15:46.56 | CodeNinja | ouch |
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| 15:47.12 | CodeNinja | troubled: any idea what process did that :X |
| 15:47.49 | asg | markizano: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' list any APs? |
| 15:47.58 | hark | markizano: try with a newer kernel |
| 15:48.04 | markizano | asg: no scan results |
| 15:48.05 | CodeNinja | markizano: I think its supposed to be wifi0/ath0 for the atheros stuff after madwifi is setup |
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| 15:48.31 | markizano | using 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:48.38 | asg | markizano: then your wireless card may be recognized but is not configured properly ... maybe a firmware issue. What card do you have? |
| 15:48.54 | asg | markizano: sorry, you mentioned it earlier |
| 15:48.59 | markizano | oh |
| 15:49.00 | markizano | :) |
| 15:49.04 | hark | markizano: or you can use madwifi |
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| 15:49.18 | markizano | hark: apt-get install madwifi-tools madwifi-common ? |
| 15:49.33 | hark | markizano: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 15:49.34 | markizano | hark: wait that's already installed |
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| 15:49.48 | hark | markizano: you are presently using ath5k |
| 15:49.48 | McL0VIN | after i add a host to my hosts.allow do i need to restart any demon ? |
| 15:49.51 | troubled | CodeNinja: no idea, but it went all the way to like 5xxx pid, so it didnt seem like that should have been kernel space |
| 15:49.56 | markizano | yes |
| 15:50.01 | CodeNinja | troubled: O.o |
| 15:50.26 | CodeNinja | well considering you set it for init to do so... it causes EVERY proccess started from init (including your login) |
| 15:50.48 | hark | markizano: if you want to use ath5k, you can get .30 from backports to try |
| 15:50.48 | markizano | hark: yes |
| 15:51.02 | hark | markizano: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 15:51.03 | markizano | hark: apt-cache search backports returns 0 results |
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| 15:51.26 | markizano | hark: @/msg dpkg i did that, when i get a few secs to read, i will |
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| 15:51.57 | hark | !tell markizano -about bpo |
| 15:52.01 | troubled | CodeNinja: the init set to 1 cpu only worked fine, it was after I altered something else that it borked |
| 15:52.13 | CodeNinja | :( |
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| 15:52.30 | markizano | hark: thx for the !tell :) |
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| 15:54.04 | McL0VIN | asg: can you help me a little bit, is this a valid entry for the /etc/hosts.allow "tftp: 192.168.1.102 : allow" no quotes ? |
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| 15:54.58 | jham | is it correct that if i do not use the smtpd_sasl_* options in my postfix configuration, anyone could login over telnet and send spam? |
| 15:54.58 | asg | McL0VIN: I am actually about to run. Someone else should be able to help though. |
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| 15:56.14 | Ltddrrtf | jham: no, but you must conf your postfix is not open relay |
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| 15:56.29 | Ltddrrtf | and configure some spam_filters |
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| 15:58.32 | jham | Ltddrrtf: well, i tried to stick to http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix however didn't set up teh sasl options. just the smtp restrictions ans rbl lists. |
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| 15:58.39 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 15:58.40 | cr3rzemjest | hohi |
| 15:58.48 | cr3rzemjest | how do i configure x for root? |
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| 15:59.07 | jham | quite not sure wether that is enough or wether i still need the sasl options |
| 15:59.07 | cr3rzemjest | i mean the "unable to open display" error |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | please don't run X as root |
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| 15:59.29 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman: i'm not at pentagon |
| 15:59.30 | abrotman | if you're triyng to run an app as root in X, look at sux |
| 15:59.36 | ranix | !root x |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
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| 15:59.48 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: and that's why windows infects the world .. have fun |
| 15:59.55 | ranix | running X as root is suicidal |
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| 16:00.01 | greycat | I suspect he typed "su" and then "someXclient" |
| 16:00.12 | cr3rzemjest | greycat: exactly |
| 16:00.17 | greycat | that's the easiest way to generate an error like the one he indicated. too bad he didn't just say what he was doing. |
| 16:00.22 | Ltddrrtf | jham you need sasl for auth with smtp and other like this features |
| 16:00.24 | ranix | ;) |
| 16:00.27 | troubled | CodeNinja: hmm, when I did everything manually it worked fine. perhaps it just had some weird race condition where the ps output and setting its task to some nonexistant process or something exiting |
| 16:00.32 | ranix | sux or gksu works for what you're doing, cr3rzemjest |
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| 16:00.39 | Ltddrrtf | jham is you mean aviable features |
| 16:00.47 | stew | abrotman: my /usr/bin/X is suid root, so I'm always running X as root |
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| 16:00.59 | ranix | stew: *gasp* |
| 16:01.04 | stew | :) |
| 16:01.16 | abrotman | smacks stew with common sense |
| 16:01.23 | jham | Ltddrrtf: so smtp auth is essential for a secure mail server, right? |
| 16:01.30 | jham | i mean sasl |
| 16:01.31 | jham | sorry |
| 16:01.43 | jham | actually both :) |
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| 16:02.50 | greycat | jham: that rather depends on (a) what you mean by secure, and (b) who's connecting to it, from where, and how. |
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| 16:03.05 | ranix | I personally use saslauthd |
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| 16:03.54 | greycat | if all your trusted-to-relay users are on localhost or your LAN, you don't need fancy stuff |
| 16:04.19 | greycat | you only need fancy stuff if you have "road warrior" users who connect from the public Internet and are supposed to be classified as if they were LAN users |
| 16:04.20 | ranix | plain old --shell=/bin/false is enough security in that case |
| 16:04.29 | doubleclick | SpeeD: tnx for ze spam :))) |
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| 16:04.41 | cr3rzemjest | ok... so i didn't write anything in xorg.conf, but used dpkg-reconfigure xorgserver instead. where do i put Section "ServerLayout" so that this http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Aiptek_Tablet doesn't generate errors (i mean i don't have Section "ServerLayout" so i don't know what to put as layout or screen) |
| 16:04.47 | jham | greycat: it's not in a lan. postfix is set up as "internet site" in dpkg-configure |
| 16:04.57 | CodeNinja | troubled: I dunno, thats pretty weird though, if a process exits, then it should not freak out, same with setting the affinity to a proccess that doesn't exist, it would just exit with a 1 instead of 0 |
| 16:05.00 | greycat | in that case, good luck. |
| 16:05.31 | jham | greycat: hmm.. that means "hahaha"? ;) |
| 16:05.46 | greycat | specifically it means I can't help with that |
| 16:05.53 | cr3rzemjest | except gentoo stuff of course |
| 16:05.56 | Ltddrrtf | jham: if you have tipical one-two domain mail system, you do not need sasl |
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| 16:06.34 | Ltddrrtf | jham: of course for greatest protection using sasl is good, but not enough |
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| 16:08.15 | troubled | CodeNinja: ya, I cant figure out what would have done it, but it was a for loop that just iterated through each of the pid's, thats it. perhaps i was doing them too quickly and one of the process during a context/cpu switch or something found some kinda deadlock? |
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| 16:09.17 | troubled | CodeNinja: all I know is that right now every single process is only on the first cpu, cept my one test task, and the system is running absoluetly beautiful, even with the other process maxing the cpu out |
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| 16:09.20 | moty66 | is it possible to copy debian from a machine to another ? |
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| 16:09.44 | Ltddrrtf | y |
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| 16:10.09 | Ltddrrtf | but this is not a good idea |
| 16:10.18 | moty66 | or copy all config from a machine to another, I have many installed packages (what I need is to copy users, groups, some DBs for bugzilla, horde, apache config and php .. .etc) |
| 16:10.31 | McL0VIN | asg: ok, thank you for all the good info |
| 16:10.51 | greycat | that's... a lot of stuff to copy. |
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| 16:10.59 | greycat | (1) packages: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:11.02 | McL0VIN | "tftp: 192.168.1.102 : allow" is this is a valid entry for the hosts.allow? |
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| 16:11.11 | greycat | (2) user and groups: /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} |
| 16:11.13 | dkay | debian, i am able to install the minimal setup with cd 1? |
| 16:11.15 | cr3rzemjest | Ltddrrtf: it is! very good, brilliant idea! if you mean errors and stuff, it doesn't mean it's bad idea if this would be possible |
| 16:11.17 | Ltddrrtf | moty66: too much routine with gigant count of aftercopy bugs :) |
| 16:11.22 | greycat | (3) bugzilla, horde: can't help with that. |
| 16:11.36 | greycat | (4) apache/php configs: /var/www and /etc/apache* |
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| 16:12.01 | greycat | dkay: yes. |
| 16:12.14 | dkay | thanks |
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| 16:12.34 | Ltddrrtf | cr3rzemjest: i mean errors, bugs and mismatches :) |
| 16:13.18 | donspaulding | is debhelper a real person? |
| 16:13.35 | moty66 | greycat: Is there anywat to list all installed packages from apt ? is it a good idea to repeat them in the new machine ? the hardwares are not the same, the source is PPC and the target is x86 |
| 16:13.36 | donspaulding | or rather, who controls debhelper? |
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| 16:13.44 | captainmunch | SpeeD Is sending messages about porn |
| 16:13.45 | greycat | moty66: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:13.49 | u42p | SpeeD is a spammer |
| 16:14.07 | donspaulding | what u42p said ^ |
| 16:14.20 | moty66 | greycat: fantastic, this will save me lot of time |
| 16:14.26 | greycat | moty66: you can edit the list by hand to remove arch-specific stuff |
| 16:14.29 | Ltddrrtf | cr3rzemjest: for example when you copy one-to-one, at first start udev detect new network card, with another MAC, and give to him new eth #, so you startup scripts fails :) |
| 16:14.57 | greycat | Ltddrrtf: that's assuming he copies udev stuff over.... |
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| 16:15.34 | Ltddrrtf | that is why i talk about "not a good idea" :) too many routine work |
| 16:15.40 | u42p | hi, i need some help with vpnc. i want to use the vpn only to access a certain ip (range would be fine too) and not route all my traffic through it. the manual says "IPSEC target network <target network/netmask>". i have the ip i want to access but no idea about the netmask. also do i have to make the last byte of the ip a 0? |
| 16:15.42 | moty66 | greycat: about bugzilla it seems that it is enough to dump the database and create it on the new machine. |
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| 16:16.27 | stew | donspaulding: debhelper is a bot, why? |
| 16:16.50 | NickDeNeger | it is possible to read /proc/kmsg with syslog-ng running under his own user and group? |
| 16:17.05 | donspaulding | stew: just wanted to make a mod aware of the spammer, wasn't sure who that should be. |
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| 16:17.31 | stew | donspaulding: you can use the "!ops _someperson is a spammer" trigger |
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| 16:17.48 | stew | (but this one has been taken care of) |
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| 16:18.08 | donspaulding | stew: cool, I'll try to remember that. |
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| 16:21.45 | captainmunch | Is there currently a way to install debian on ext4? |
| 16:22.40 | greycat | !tell captainmunch about debootstrap |
| 16:22.42 | yang | Is there anything called "network console" which would allow me to see how kernel boots, over network ? |
| 16:22.52 | greycat | captainmunch: you'll also need an installer with a kernel that can actually mount such a file system |
| 16:23.06 | moty66 | any idea how can I email the output of a command (example dpkg --get-selections) using the mail command ? |
| 16:23.32 | greycat | captainmunch: or I guess I should say, those are two approaches, with some overlap, but you don't really need an installer if you're using debootstrap... |
| 16:23.46 | stew | moty66: somcommand | mail user@domain.com ; you may want to add: -s "some subject" |
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| 16:24.08 | moty66 | stew: thanks |
| 16:24.29 | donspaulding | I just ran "pg_upgradecluster -v 8.3 8.2 main /var/lib/postgresql-8.3/main" and half my tables now have no data in them due to the error 'character 0xe28099 of encoding "UTF8" has no equivalent in "LATIN1"' |
| 16:25.15 | greycat | yang: there's no TCP/IP networking at all while Linux is booting. Best you can get is a serial console, which is connected to some other unix machine, and then connect to that machine via TCP/IP to see the serial console. |
| 16:25.25 | donspaulding | pg_upgradecluster guessed the LATIN1 encoding for my the DBs in my new cluster. Any ideas how I can rerun pg_upgradecluster and make it guess UTF8? |
| 16:25.47 | captainmunch | greycat, so this debootstrap is run from a livecd and the install would go much like a gentoo install? |
| 16:25.54 | simonrvn | set the default properly |
| 16:25.57 | greycat | yang: it may also be sufficient to read dmesg (or /var/log/dmesg) after it's finished booting |
| 16:26.16 | donspaulding | simonrvn: what default? |
| 16:26.25 | yang | greycat: my server is stuck in the datacenter and they don't provide serial console, and the kernel refuses to boot up |
| 16:26.37 | greycat | captainmunch: debootstrap _can_ be run from a live CD, yes. or from a hard disk booted Linux. |
| 16:26.53 | simonrvn | default encoding.. |
| 16:27.23 | greycat | yang: ouch. get someone to read you the text from the physical console.... |
| 16:27.30 | donspaulding | simonrvn: oh, so to set the default encoding I have to set the default encoding? |
| 16:27.34 | yang | greycat: and charge me 150 usd per hour? |
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| 16:28.19 | moty66 | stew: Can't get that working, I write mycommand | mail -c "my@email" -s "my subject", but I get (mail: You must specify direct recipients with -s, -c, or -b) |
| 16:28.44 | greycat | moty66: try mailx instead of mail, if you're having weirdness |
| 16:28.52 | yang | greycat: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-netconsole-log-management-tutorial.html |
| 16:29.25 | greycat | yang: "via syslog" means "after the kernel has finished booting, and init has started, and then init has spawned syslogd..." |
| 16:29.26 | moty66 | greycat: the same output (mailx: You must specify direct recipients with -s, -c, or -b) |
| 16:29.46 | greycat | moty66: I've never even heard of "-c" or "-b" in mail(1) before. |
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| 16:30.20 | greycat | mail -s "subject" recipient@one recipient@two ... |
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| 16:30.39 | stew | moty66: its complaining that you didn't specify a recipient |
| 16:30.42 | moty66 | greycat: removing -c and/or -b works fine |
| 16:30.45 | moty66 | thanks |
| 16:30.45 | donspaulding | maybe a better question to ask is how do I rerun the pg_upgradecluster after it's been run once with errors? |
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| 16:31.02 | stew | moty66: yes, it wants you to have somoene in the To: (you have so far only specified a Cc:) |
| 16:31.08 | greycat | ah, -c and -b are cc: and bcc: |
| 16:31.09 | yang | greycat: well, at least its worth trying |
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| 16:31.34 | yang | greycat: probably I need to enable the module "netconsole" inside /etc/modules ? |
| 16:31.52 | simonrvn | donspaulding: well, if you haven't nuked your working one i suppose you can try again ;). |
| 16:31.58 | moty66 | greycat: exactly, I didn't get that :) |
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| 16:32.32 | greycat | [ -b bcc-addr ] [ -c cc-addr ] was confusing? |
| 16:32.34 | gothenburg | Hi, I've installed libasound2, alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss and still no sound? |
| 16:32.42 | donspaulding | simonrvn: I would, but now I get "Error: specified cluster is not running" |
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| 16:33.32 | yang | the module is not being called netconsole |
| 16:33.36 | donspaulding | and trying "invoke-rc.d postgresql-8.2 start" gives me the "[OK]" status, but doesn't actually start up the server |
| 16:33.40 | simonrvn | so start it.. you probably have to set the new one to 0 again (don't ask me how) |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | griffon:~$ locate netconsole |
| 16:34.07 | greycat | /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/netconsole.ko |
| 16:34.18 | greycat | I've never used it, though. No idea how it operates. |
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| 16:34.43 | yang | heh |
| 16:34.56 | yang | ok |
| 16:35.01 | simonrvn | modinfo netconsole ;p |
| 16:35.37 | greycat | donspaulding: I'm fond of "sh -x /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.2 start" in these cases |
| 16:35.59 | captainmunch | greycat, interesting well my servers are going to be in a DC and I wont have physical access to them. I know the drives will be clean(no preexisting linux) so I will need to send them a debian livecd with debootstrap? |
| 16:36.00 | greycat | donspaulding: (as well as actually reading the init.d script) |
| 16:36.14 | simonrvn | indeed. great sh debugging tool ;) |
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| 16:36.56 | greycat | if you're telling someone else to install Debian on a system to which you don't have physical access, WHY in the name of god would you use something unstable? |
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| 16:37.15 | captainmunch | i need the reduced io wait |
| 16:37.26 | donspaulding | greycat: yeah, I've actually just got it started (pg_upgradecluster sets the cluster to "manual" startup, but for some reason the debian script to start the server won't start the cluster unless it's set to "auto" startup) |
| 16:38.24 | simonrvn | i imagine the debian readmes cover this (having looked at some of those specific ones recently) |
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| 16:38.37 | greycat | captainmunch: best thing I can suggest right now is for you to actually do it yourself on a local test machine first. |
| 16:38.55 | captainmunch | gotcha im on said machine reading up on how |
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| 16:39.31 | donspaulding | captainmunch: are you sure the io benefits you wish to see require an ext4 partition as opposed to an ext3 partition mounted as ext4? |
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| 16:40.07 | captainmunch | i thought upgrading to ext4 negated some of the benefitas |
| 16:40.12 | captainmunch | benefits* |
| 16:40.16 | greycat | Hmm.... I'd also consider having the root/usr/var partitions ext3, and then using ext4 on a separate "database" partition or whatever where your real I/O work is done |
| 16:40.42 | greycat | Are you sure you actually need ext4 on the root file system? |
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| 16:40.52 | Qualcuno | hello |
| 16:41.19 | Qualcuno | does anybody know if there's a tool, in debian, that regularly checks the contents of a file and, in case there are new lines, sends them by email? |
| 16:41.40 | greycat | wouldn't be hard to script. apart from that, maybe tripwire? |
| 16:42.07 | Qualcuno | greycat: I already have got a script for that, but I wrote it 1 year ago in PHP, and it must be run with cron |
| 16:42.16 | Qualcuno | tripwire? uhm... I'll look at it thanks |
| 16:42.21 | greycat | any other equivalent tool would also use cron |
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| 16:42.25 | captainmunch | eh i dont think i do, my clients might be happy to have the faster bootup in the unlikely event of the system unexpectedly rebooting gamers are a fickle group |
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| 16:42.38 | sway | not a python tool |
| 16:42.51 | Qualcuno | greycat: so I might want to use my scripts... |
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| 16:44.43 | captainmunch | from the looks of it i may be able to do this from a knoppix cd... |
| 16:45.04 | xoz | Qualcuno: you can try apt-cache search file change |
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| 16:46.37 | Qualcuno | xoz: aptitude search file change | grep -c "-" returns 185 :) I think I'll just use my script :) |
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| 16:47.59 | xoz | Qualcuno: there are lots of false positives but it is easy to know which packaged is related to file tracking |
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| 16:48.10 | xoz | Qualcuno: based on title and description |
| 16:48.56 | xoz | Qualcuno: but indeed, scripting it is trivial unless you need more requirements |
| 16:49.17 | Qualcuno | xoz: look... I wrote that set of scripts to monitor the server, and they include also a file monitor (plus other nice things: for example, every day they send me a chart with the server load), but I've installed monit in the new server, so I thought it was like "using 2 tools for the same purpose". but maybe it isn't |
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| 16:49.34 | xoz | thinks of ruby when it comes to scripting |
| 16:49.45 | Qualcuno | uses php :) |
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| 16:49.52 | sway | everything above asm is scripting, isn't it? |
| 16:50.14 | sway | respect the snake |
| 16:50.16 | Qualcuno | sway: uhm... don't agree completely... |
| 16:50.26 | sway | Qualcuno: oh yeah? |
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| 16:51.06 | Qualcuno | I've always thought this: a "script" is a program that is compiled just-in-time. compiled applications are... applications :) at least, IMHO |
| 16:51.08 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I have gotten my a new PC today. how do I set up the LAN card? |
| 16:51.15 | Kuifje111 | me* |
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| 16:52.01 | xoz | !script |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | [script] This refers to a group of commands usually stored in a file and run one at a time so that you don't have to type them in one at a time. Script is the newer, sexier term for batch. Don't talk about batch files anymore! It's all scripts and scripting languages. We're on the INTERNET, for goodness' sake! |
| 16:52.02 | sway | Qualcuno: a compiler is a scripting engine and the languages it translates are scripts. trading compile time for user efficiency is something i think is feasible considering the available affordable resources |
| 16:52.05 | gothenburg | can't get urxvt |
| 16:52.08 | gothenburg | why not? |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | gothenburg: do you get an error ? |
| 16:52.45 | Qualcuno | xoz: web applications are called scripts too :) |
| 16:52.55 | abrotman | some web applications are compiled |
| 16:52.59 | Qualcuno | true |
| 16:53.03 | Qualcuno | (asp or perl) |
| 16:53.11 | abrotman | was thinking C |
| 16:53.15 | gothenburg | abrotman: yes |
| 16:53.19 | Qualcuno | C too :) |
| 16:53.20 | gothenburg | that it wasn't found |
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| 16:53.24 | abrotman | or python .. |
| 16:53.33 | gothenburg | and if i search.. no urxvt |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | gothenburg: apt-cache search urxvt |
| 16:53.39 | Qualcuno | uses to think in higher levels :) |
| 16:53.40 | abrotman | gothenburg: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 16:53.56 | xoz | gothenburg: urxvt-unicode or something like that |
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| 16:54.11 | xoz | gothenburg: you should enable bash completion |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | xoz: still in .jp? |
| 16:55.07 | sway | thank you guys for providing a ultra stable platform that lets me bumble my way through the learning process |
| 16:55.14 | Kuifje111 | how do I install a new NIC in debian? |
| 16:55.21 | abrotman | Kuifje111: put it in the slot, configure it |
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| 16:55.25 | xoz | abrotman: now .sg for almost 2.5 years now. |
| 16:55.30 | Kuifje111 | ok, how to configure it? |
| 16:55.31 | abrotman | xoz: msg for a moment? |
| 16:55.32 | gothenburg | xoz: urxvt-unicode isn't in my sources |
| 16:55.39 | xoz | abrotman: oks |
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| 16:55.53 | cahoot | ..and remove 70-persistent-net.rules? |
| 16:56.10 | xoz | gothenburg: try apt-cache search urxvt... and install the package |
| 16:56.11 | Kuifje111 | cahoot: is that to me? |
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| 16:56.26 | gothenburg | xoz: same |
| 16:56.27 | cahoot | Kuifje111: yes if it's a replacement |
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| 16:56.34 | Kuifje111 | yeah, ok. thanks! |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | gothenburg: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 16:57.28 | gothenburg | abrotman: i'm trying |
| 16:57.30 | mcgreg | hello ... anyone familiar with compiling kernel from kernel-org here? I fetched a current one (mainline:2.6.32-rc52009-10-16[Full Source]) unpacked it, and so on, used configuration from .31 kernel from /boot , did make oldconfig . did make-kpkg buildpackages --initrd ... it generated several packages |
| 16:57.33 | gothenburg | but I cant copy it |
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| 16:57.53 | abrotman | gothenburg: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:58.32 | doublehp | when i put this line in cron: << * * * * * root /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda >/var/log/smartctl/dev__hda__`/bin/date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M-%S`.fdisk 2>&1 >> i get an error. any clue ? the problem is around the plus sign ... |
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| 16:58.37 | doublehp | in crontab |
| 16:58.44 | mcgreg | on of it was : linux-xenu-2.6.32-rc5_2.6.32-rc5-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb .. but if I try to install it, dpkg FAILS with -> Setting up linux-xenu-2.6.32-rc5 (20091016) ...Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-rc5) |
| 16:59.12 | gothenburg | abrotman: yes.. but can't copy it in xterm :s |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | yes you can ... |
| 16:59.27 | abrotman | drag your mouse over it .. highlight/middle lcick |
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| 17:00.12 | gothenburg | IT wont work because I can't paste it into Opera |
| 17:00.37 | mcgreg | and from what I see following packages should be created -> ====== making target debian/stamp/dep-binary-arch [new prereqs: pre-bin-arch linux-headers-2.6.32-rc5 linux-image-2.6.32-rc5 linux-image-2.6.32-rc5-dbg linux-uml-2.6.32-rc5 linux-xen0-2.6.32-rc5 linux-xenu-2.6.32-rc5]====== .. but only that xenu packages is created .. and xenu is XEN virtual system stuff? |
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| 17:01.03 | cahoot | gothenburg: install pastebinit? |
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| 17:01.18 | helo_ | doublehp: put it in a script, and call the script from cron |
| 17:01.26 | abrotman | gothenburg: paste.debian.net has a way to upload a file .. use that |
| 17:01.54 | helo_ | doublehp: you will be glad you did... |
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| 17:02.39 | Sajjad68 | hello all, how can i see movie subtitles in ubuntu? |
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| 17:03.10 | gothenburg | http://paste.debian.net/49557/ |
| 17:03.15 | gothenburg | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/49557/ |
| 17:03.15 | ranix | Sajjad68: try asking #ubuntu |
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| 17:03.43 | Kuifje111 | how do I check the CPU's temperatures? |
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| 17:04.01 | abrotman | judd: versions rxvt |
| 17:04.03 | Kuifje111 | got the NIC all set up now. |
| 17:04.04 | judd | abrotman: rxvt -- etch: 1:2.6.4-10 lenny: 1:2.6.4-14 sid: 1:2.6.4-14 squeeze: 1:2.6.4-14 |
| 17:04.17 | abrotman | gothenburg: aptitude update && aptitude install rxvt |
| 17:04.40 | gothenburg | I found out that it is removed form squeeze |
| 17:04.59 | abrotman | no, rxvt is still there |
| 17:05.32 | gothenburg | but unicode |
| 17:05.50 | gothenburg | rxvt doesn't work with utf-8 -.- |
| 17:05.52 | abrotman | i think rxvt is utf-8 clean |
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| 17:09.55 | lumis | Is there a client/server music player system that can be operated by multiple clients on a LAN? (There must be, but my limited knowledge doesn't encompass one ;) ) |
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| 17:10.21 | abrotman | mpd ? |
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| 17:11.43 | greycat | doublehp: the % in a crontab entry has to be escaped. |
| 17:12.06 | lumis | abrotman: Looks good, thanks |
| 17:12.09 | greycat | (or you can put it in a separate script as suggested earlier) |
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| 17:14.50 | jham | i have set up the login delay in /etc/pam.d/login to 10 seconds with: auth optional pam_faildelay.so delay=10000000 |
| 17:14.57 | jham | but it seems not to take effect |
| 17:15.02 | jham | are there further steps needed? |
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| 17:16.09 | greycat | you realize that pam.d/login is only for console logins, right? |
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| 17:16.38 | jham | greycat: that means logins over ssh and screen are not included? |
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| 17:16.54 | greycat | ssh is definitely not included unless you turned on the "UseLogin" feature. |
| 17:16.56 | jham | isn't it a console login= |
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| 17:17.01 | greycat | screen(1) has no system-logging-in capabilities I'm aware of |
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| 17:17.32 | jham | okay, understood |
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| 17:17.32 | jham | thank you |
| 17:17.45 | greycat | you'd have to edit pam.d/sshd for ssh |
| 17:17.56 | jham | i get over 1000 login attempts, that's annoying |
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| 17:18.10 | jham | each day |
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| 17:18.38 | themill | !fail2ban |
| 17:18.38 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>. |
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| 17:18.58 | jham | themill: hey thank you, sounds promising |
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| 17:20.26 | mynewnick001 | Is there any way for Debian to not touch my ~/.kde* dirs when I'm switching from other distros so I can then go back? |
| 17:20.49 | mynewnick001 | all my ~/.kde* things are symlink to the same thing |
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| 17:20.57 | mynewnick001 | There is no option "Just boot as it is" on booting |
| 17:21.17 | Kuifje111 | hello all, I just installed a new PC and I want to make sure everything is all right. Thus I installed LM-Sensors to check the temperatures of the CPU! could anyone check the output for me, because there are some oddities for me. Here's the output: http://pastebin.com/d20e17495 |
| 17:21.26 | mynewnick001 | It's trying to use ~/.kde4.2 as my kde3 settings |
| 17:21.58 | gothenburg | some of my text is blurry |
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| 17:23.36 | doublehp | greycat: yes, i had to escape %. thanks bye |
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| 17:23.40 | themill | mynewnick001: make it so that they are not symlinks then. When you log in, KDE will use ~/.kde in debian. (This has nothing to do with booting btw, this is about logging in as a user) |
| 17:23.41 | valdyn | Kuifje111: theres nothing unusual in that paste |
| 17:23.51 | Kuifje111 | all right, that is awesome. |
| 17:24.00 | Kuifje111 | why is there a temp3 at 128 degrees though? |
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| 17:24.31 | mynewnick001 | themill: It is assuming that my ~/.kde dir is KDE 3.5 dir (it is KDE 4.3) |
| 17:24.51 | Kuifje111 | and would it harm that I have moved the heatsink a little when it was already put? |
| 17:24.51 | valdyn | Kuifje111: because lm-sensors has no idea about vendor or chip specific offsets or factors |
| 17:24.51 | mynewnick001 | Well, let's see what it will do |
| 17:24.51 | greycat | For the record, also: greybot> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/043 -- Why does my crontab job fail? 0 0 * * * some command > /var/log/mylog.`date +%Y%m%d` |
| 17:24.51 | nsadmin | Kuifje111: but you're not saying what you think is odd and what you expect to be even; as long as that's true I wouldn't be reading the paste |
| 17:24.54 | valdyn | Kuifje111: yes, there could be harm |
| 17:24.58 | Kuifje111 | oops. |
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| 17:25.05 | Kuifje111 | what could it have caused? |
| 17:25.07 | themill | mynewnick001: KDE uses ~/.kde ... what's so unexpected about that? |
| 17:25.26 | Kuifje111 | any damage or something? |
| 17:25.32 | valdyn | Kuifje111: that temp3 is also listed as disabled btw |
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| 17:25.50 | Kuifje111 | would you recommend to reconnect the heatsink? |
| 17:25.55 | mynewnick001 | themill: Why does Debian has to "migrate from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.x", migrating my KDE 4.3 dirs |
| 17:25.59 | mynewnick001 | Instead of just using them |
| 17:26.06 | Kuifje111 | because I moved it (forcely) while it was already put. |
| 17:26.08 | themill | mynewnick001: sharing $HOME between distros (or even between debian releases) isn't a great idea for precisely this reason. |
| 17:26.13 | nsadmin | valdyn: how do you go about calibrating it? |
| 17:26.25 | greycat | themill: then I spit upon this notion that it's a bad idea. |
| 17:26.26 | valdyn | nsadmin: never put any effort into that |
| 17:26.29 | valdyn | nsadmin: = no idea |
| 17:26.39 | nsadmin | yeah meetoo |
| 17:26.49 | greycat | themill: seriously, if you can't NFS mount your home directory across multiple machines and platforms simultaneously, something is VERY broken. |
| 17:26.56 | nsadmin | but it does have to be calibrated? |
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| 17:27.13 | valdyn | nsadmin: i dont even know if it can be calibrated |
| 17:27.19 | themill | greycat: that never works for any non-trivial app. Even different versions of bash don't like the same .bashrc. |
| 17:27.33 | valdyn | nsadmin: i just know that its not unusual that you get useless volatage values |
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| 17:27.37 | greycat | if you don't use new-bash features, it is perfectly safe |
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| 17:28.04 | greycat | likewise, you wouldn't use new-KDE features in a KDE config file that's meant to be shared between multiple versions of KDE |
| 17:28.07 | themill | greycat: right... so in this case, if you don't use KDE4, then it's perfectly safe.... |
| 17:28.17 | valdyn | nsadmin: like this one: temp3: -2.0°C |
| 17:28.23 | greycat | themill: no, if you don't put KDE4-specific configuration into the file. |
| 17:28.24 | valdyn | nsadmin: im sure its not freezing here |
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| 17:28.47 | nsadmin | what is that, 269 deg kelvin? |
| 17:29.02 | mynewnick001 | What is deg kelvin? |
| 17:29.02 | greycat | 271 I believe |
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| 17:29.08 | greycat | mynewnick001: google it. |
| 17:29.19 | mynewnick001 | never heard of such thing |
| 17:29.19 | valdyn | nsadmin: just a little below freezing point |
| 17:29.24 | valdyn | nsadmin: just a little below freezing point of water |
| 17:29.42 | nsadmin | yes; aware of that |
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| 17:30.03 | nsadmin | so 0c is 273k? |
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| 17:30.12 | gothenburg | the sound in debian is not that good as in Windows :s |
| 17:30.21 | greycat | 273.15 degrees |
| 17:30.21 | et | nsadmin: 273.15 |
| 17:30.28 | mynewnick001 | gothenburg: It is, if you remove PulseAudio ;) |
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| 17:30.31 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 17:30.31 | et | not "degrees" |
| 17:30.44 | et | 273.15K is 0 degrees C |
| 17:30.57 | adb | 273.15K is 0 degrees K |
| 17:31.00 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 17:31.03 | et | Kelvin doesn't come with "degrees" |
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| 17:31.08 | valdyn | gothenburg: or "I dont know how to configure sound in debian, thats why it must be worse than in Windows" |
| 17:31.24 | nsadmin | so kelvin wasn't that smart? |
| 17:31.27 | gothenburg | nsadmin? |
| 17:31.38 | valdyn | nsadmin: why? |
| 17:31.50 | nsadmin | cause he didn't get any degrees! |
| 17:31.59 | gothenburg | aha |
| 17:32.00 | valdyn | hoho |
| 17:32.12 | nsadmin | yeah, I know... |
| 17:32.15 | adb | - 273.15 C is 0 degrees K |
| 17:32.21 | nsadmin | another bad pun :) |
| 17:32.21 | et | adb: no |
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| 17:32.46 | valdyn | adb: 0 K is -273 °C |
| 17:32.59 | valdyn | ignore the rounding error please |
| 17:33.07 | themill | wonders if he's in #thermodynamics by accident |
| 17:33.14 | winter | absolute 0 |
| 17:33.16 | et | nsadmin: he was a lord, he didn't need any degrees |
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| 17:33.35 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe that's why |
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| 17:35.04 | nsadmin | gothenburg sound "in debian" is really sound as it is produced by your sound card and the kernel and the particular sound driver for your card |
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| 17:35.25 | mynewnick001 | How can I get which dir is KDE using now? |
| 17:35.28 | rudenstam | can somebody please remind me where the eth names are stored... got a card named eth2_rename_ren atm, would like to change that ;) |
| 17:35.29 | mynewnick001 | Which dir in ~ |
| 17:35.38 | greycat | !z25 > rudenstam |
| 17:35.44 | greycat | err, I mean... |
| 17:35.50 | greycat | !tell rudenstam about z25 |
| 17:35.53 | zleap | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.54 | rudenstam | ty |
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| 17:36.34 | gothenburg | hm |
| 17:37.02 | gothenburg | now I have to find out how to not have so much blur at one part of my screen |
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| 17:37.44 | McL0VIN | i did "apt-get install tftp-hpa" , but when i try "/etc/init.d/inetd reload" i get "-su: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory" |
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| 17:38.38 | jham | is there a daemon i have to restart after i used update-inetd for disabling a service? |
| 17:38.38 | valdyn | McL0VIN: so? |
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| 17:38.53 | McL0VIN | valdyn: i am trying to restart it |
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| 17:39.00 | valdyn | McL0VIN: but it doesnt exist? |
| 17:39.14 | McL0VIN | valdyn: thats what i need help with please |
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| 17:39.21 | valdyn | McL0VIN: does it exist? |
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| 17:39.40 | rudenstam | greycat: any ideas if it's not mentioned in there ? |
| 17:40.10 | valdyn | McL0VIN: as far as i can see /etc/init.d/inetd does not exist in debian |
| 17:40.10 | nsadmin | McL0VIN: head -1 /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 17:40.12 | McL0VIN | valdyn: this is from dpkg -l "tftpd-hpa 0.48-2.3 HPA's tftp server" |
| 17:40.25 | valdyn | McL0VIN: thats unrelated to the problem at hand |
| 17:40.43 | McL0VIN | valdyn: ok |
| 17:40.56 | valdyn | McL0VIN: why are you trying to restart somethign that does not exist? because some howto told you so? |
| 17:41.09 | McL0VIN | i thought you were asking if the tftp-hpa exist |
| 17:41.10 | greycat | McL0VIN: ls /etc/init.d/*inet* |
| 17:41.23 | hark | McL0VIN: /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa instead? |
| 17:42.00 | mynewnick001 | wow :( Debian's working even slower for me than Gentoo :( Due to my slow hard drive, disk accesses were hanging in Gentoo. In Debian, GUI hangs too :( |
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| 17:42.26 | jham | _even_? |
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| 17:42.56 | nsadmin | GUI is big, be more specific |
| 17:43.07 | nsadmin | or not, if you're not asking about it |
| 17:43.07 | jham | how is debian which is compiled generic supposed be faster than gentoo? |
| 17:43.08 | mynewnick001 | Windows redrawing |
| 17:43.22 | nsadmin | all windows? |
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| 17:43.36 | abrotman | jham: if your CPU is crap, it won't matter how you compiled it |
| 17:43.36 | javi_ | Hi, |
| 17:43.45 | mynewnick001 | jham: THe bottleneck is disk access here, so I don't see how that would make a difference :) |
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| 17:44.15 | abrotman | mynewnick001: you may want to look at hdparm and DMA |
| 17:44.23 | rudenstam | can I rename an eth card manually ? |
| 17:44.29 | abrotman | rudenstam: ifrename |
| 17:44.42 | jham | abrotman: yes, i just mean, why should someone think, debian would be faster? except someone borked up all the inits |
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| 17:44.46 | McL0VIN | valdyn: hark: thank you |
| 17:44.46 | rudenstam | abrotman: ty |
| 17:45.12 | abrotman | jham: why should gentoo be faster? most people don't understand the compile flags they're using and end up using something like -O3 which ends up being slower |
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| 17:45.24 | javi_ | Hi, |
| 17:45.25 | jham | and if i am honest, windows redrawing has not much to do with hard disk or i'm wrong? |
| 17:45.42 | mynewnick001 | I hope I get Iceweasel starting in less than 5 minutes :D |
| 17:45.44 | jham | even on a live cd windows redrawing is not slow |
| 17:45.45 | Titan8990 | abrotman, if you are talking about gentoo, you select your own CFLAGS |
| 17:45.54 | abrotman | Titan8990: i'm aware of that .. |
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| 17:46.03 | javi_ | Hi, |
| 17:46.12 | abrotman | mynewnick001: FWIW .. some people have said swiftfox goes quite a bit faster than FF/IW |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | if his hardware is dying, compiler settings shouldn't matter very much |
| 17:46.14 | jham | mynewnick001: i think it's your graphics driver, not the hd |
| 17:46.17 | valdyn | !gentoosmit Titan8990 |
| 17:46.19 | valdyn | !gentoosmite Titan8990 |
| 17:46.19 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling Titan8990, and when it's all done, Titan8990 runs 0.9% faster than previously |
| 17:46.21 | Titan8990 | abrotman, generally -02 is recommended |
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| 17:46.22 | rudenstam | abrotman: and that won't conflict with udev renaming ? |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | Titan8990: note i said -O3 .. |
| 17:46.43 | mynewnick001 | jham: It's the hard drive. hdparm -I waits 5 seconds on the drive in question |
| 17:46.58 | abrotman | rudenstam: you could also use the 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 17:47.02 | greycat | mynewnick001: http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/ |
| 17:47.12 | catsup_ | is pricewatch still around |
| 17:47.19 | jham | abrotman: that is just because of the non-generic precompilation of teh package. in relation to your "if crappy cpu - then" |
| 17:47.22 | Titan8990 | abrotman, yeah, i am just trying to say people that chose -03 probably didn't rtfm |
| 17:47.22 | catsup_ | that's all used crap |
| 17:47.34 | abrotman | jham: i'm just saying .. crap is crap :) |
| 17:47.41 | abrotman | Titan8990: thanks for proving my point |
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| 17:47.50 | Titan8990 | abrotman, sure thing :) |
| 17:47.58 | javi_ | Hi, |
| 17:47.58 | greycat | Titan8990: it's O, not 0 |
| 17:48.13 | abrotman | greycat: he didn't read the manual either :) |
| 17:48.15 | Titan8990 | greycat, thanks for the correction |
| 17:48.16 | catsup_ | do you think it's possible by recompiling your whole machine to save the number of cycles necessary in the compile |
| 17:48.32 | greycat | if the problem is his HARD DRIVE, the recompiling some application is not going to solve it. |
| 17:48.43 | nsadmin | how do you compile a machine? |
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| 17:48.54 | javi_ | /msg |
| 17:48.58 | catsup_ | nsadmin: by generalizing your concept of machine |
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| 17:49.02 | abrotman | javi_: do you need help? |
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| 17:49.16 | greycat | nsadmin: clearly he means "recompiling every package" |
| 17:49.35 | CodeNinja | is there a way to output how much traffic has been sent through an interface? |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | CodeNinja: ifconfig |
| 17:49.46 | greycat | CodeNinja: ifconfig, etc. |
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| 17:50.03 | catsup_ | what's etc? |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | CodeNinja: note that if the machine has had sufficiently enough traffic, the counter does roll over |
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| 17:50.15 | Titan8990 | catsup_, ntop |
| 17:50.20 | krisfremen | abrotman: how high? |
| 17:50.22 | nsadmin | well ifconfig will get you number of packets |
| 17:50.28 | greycat | catsup_: files in /proc or /sys |
| 17:50.37 | CodeNinja | abrotman: what is that point? |
| 17:50.59 | nsadmin | hmm, and bytes |
| 17:51.00 | abrotman | CodeNinja: depends on your architecture |
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| 17:53.24 | javi_ | /msg |
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| 17:53.40 | schmrz1 | Hello Everyone! Can you please tell me where can I find some information on internet sharin on multiple networks with Firestarter ? |
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| 17:54.49 | nsadmin | schmrz1: could also be via ipmasq |
| 17:55.12 | xperia2 | hello to all. is this the right chanell to ask questions related to debian server ? |
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| 17:55.23 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 17:55.32 | nsadmin | which can recalc the router based on the values it sees in the interfaces |
| 17:55.58 | schmrz1 | nsadmin: Can you point me to some docs about it? |
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| 17:56.19 | Titan8990 | !tell schmrz1 about ipmasq |
| 17:56.24 | xperia2 | abrotman: thanks a lot. have some strange logs on my webserver. somebody call my webpage and redirect at the same time the output or the connection |
| 17:56.38 | xperia2 | will show you just a line of the log |
| 17:56.40 | schmrz1 | Titan8990 thx |
| 17:56.55 | xperia2 | 02:12:50�63.131.18.154�static-63-131-18-154.har.onecommunications.net� ��205.188.251.26:443� |
| 17:57.12 | nsadmin | schmrz1: what you're asking about is networking, and it's generic. both firestarter and ipmasq are interfaces, moreorless |
| 17:57.27 | xperia2 | the caller of the webpage is static-63-131-18-154.har.onecommunications.net |
| 17:57.33 | nsadmin | what do you mean by "multiple networks" |
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| 17:57.47 | schmrz1 | nsadmin: Firestarter is great if you need to share on only one network for example eth0. I need to share ppp0 to eth0 and ath0 :) |
| 17:57.54 | xperia2 | and the the destination adress is 205.188.251.26:443 |
| 17:58.05 | xperia2 | never seen this till yet |
| 17:58.12 | aixenv | hey guys, i need a command to search a a file for any whitespaces and make the whitespace a tab, would this work in vi ? :%s/\s/\t// |
| 17:58.14 | greycat | xperia2: what program did you use to view this log file? |
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| 17:58.39 | cwheeler | !tell cwheeler backports |
| 17:58.43 | greycat | aixenv: perl -pi -e 's/ /\t/g' filename |
| 17:58.44 | xperia2 | i log it with my own php script |
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| 17:59.00 | nsadmin | oh, as long as all those interfaces are up, ipmasq will build a router that deals with it (it can tell by sensing which interfaces have default routes) |
| 17:59.01 | greycat | xperia2: sounds like you have a bug in your script, then. |
| 17:59.01 | javi_ | /msg |
| 17:59.03 | aixenv | gretcat ty sir |
| 17:59.08 | aixenv | *greycat |
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| 17:59.34 | schmrz1 | nsadmin: So I just install it ? |
| 17:59.41 | nsadmin | right |
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| 17:59.52 | xperia2 | why that if i may ask ? everytime somebody acess my webpage i save this for securityreason ! |
| 17:59.54 | nsadmin | and it starts right up |
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| 18:00.34 | caraconan | Hi. To share the console to another person that is connected via ssh should we do a 'screen -x' ? |
| 18:00.37 | xperia2 | greycat: what for a bug should this be ? a php redirection bug ? |
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| 18:00.45 | schmrz1 | nsadmin: That sounds too easy :-) Easier than with Firestarted. Should I disable internet connection sharing in firestarted then ? |
| 18:00.48 | javi_ | /msg |
| 18:00.50 | abrotman | javi_: do you need help? |
| 18:00.54 | greycat | xperia2: perhaps ##php can help you |
| 18:01.04 | xperia2 | okay |
| 18:01.32 | greycat | caraconan: you can do that. if they started with 'screen' themselves. |
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| 18:01.57 | caraconan | Then: 1) ssh user@remote_machine 2) scrren -x |
| 18:02.00 | caraconan | Is right? |
| 18:02.09 | nsadmin | schmrz1: or uninstall it if you're going to use ipmasq as both add rules to iptables (or ipchains, or ipfwadm, or ipfw, whatever ipmasq sees present) |
| 18:02.21 | caraconan | 2 people connecting via ssh at same time to a remote machine, to share the commands... |
| 18:02.43 | nsadmin | schmrz1 it's -definitely- worth a try |
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| 18:03.17 | greycat | caraconan: someone will have to run "screen" without the -x first. |
| 18:03.21 | aixenv | greycat: is there a way to say not make it a 1:1 ratio like if i have 5 spaces its just 1 tab as opposed to 5? |
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| 18:03.34 | lepine | is there a dpkg switch to check a packages files against what's currently in place? |
| 18:03.39 | greycat | aixenv: you want every group of spaces to become one tab? |
| 18:03.41 | abrotman | lepine: debsums |
| 18:03.45 | aixenv | greycat: yes sir |
| 18:03.52 | lepine | A coworker installed something from source |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | aixenv: perl -pi -e 's/ +/\t/g' |
| 18:03.57 | lepine | abrotman: thanks, googling |
| 18:04.09 | abrotman | lepine: aptitude show debsums |
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| 18:04.43 | nsadmin | lepine: and this is considered what, bad? |
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| 18:05.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: i think he's trying to see what they overwrote |
| 18:05.14 | ScrollLock | Where in ip packet is netmask value? I cant find it |
| 18:05.14 | lepine | nsadmin: I do in my case ... he installed an older version of libssh2 |
| 18:05.48 | lepine | and a build i'm trying to get through complains of an older version ... which means it's taking the one from source, and not the one from .dev |
| 18:05.50 | lepine | *deb |
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| 18:05.54 | nsadmin | ScrollLock: netmask is part of routing |
| 18:06.05 | Jefferson | huje |
| 18:06.06 | nsadmin | wouldn't be in the packet |
| 18:06.20 | winter | Jefferson: :) |
| 18:06.23 | aixenv | greycat: awesome ty, would it be easy to ignore lines that started with a #? if not thats ok, this is workable |
| 18:06.33 | Jefferson | winter: :D |
| 18:06.36 | winter | ch* |
| 18:06.36 | greycat | aixenv: /msg greybot b2 |
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| 18:07.07 | Jefferson | test |
| 18:07.14 | greycat | fail. |
| 18:07.21 | nsadmin | pass. |
| 18:07.21 | Titan8990 | greycat, yep, wrong channel |
| 18:07.41 | nsadmin | wow! two results with ONE test! |
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| 18:07.48 | abrotman | quantum state |
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| 18:08.06 | ScrollLock | nsadmin: sure but when there is an incoming ip packet and router determines that although it has it's interface mac but not it's ip address it extrapolates network address and routes a packet according to route table? So where the hell does it get netmask address to get network part out of ip? |
| 18:08.33 | greycat | ScrollLock: the routing table determines all of that. not the packet. |
| 18:08.33 | valdyn | ScrollLock: why would the netmask be stored in the packet? |
| 18:08.41 | valdyn | !ip |
| 18:08.41 | dpkg | [internet protocol] IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or <intellectual property> |
| 18:08.47 | lepine | hmmm, apparently all libssh* related files are ok. I guess that install from source didn't crush anything ... |
| 18:08.50 | nsadmin | ScrollLock: the packet would have IP address in one layer, mac addr in another |
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| 18:09.07 | pfak | Is it possible to load an updated .deb during the netinstall process? There doesn't seem to be a dpkg bin available ... |
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| 18:09.37 | valdyn | pfak: that would have to be a udeb |
| 18:09.40 | nsadmin | hmm. I don't know exactly how that works |
| 18:09.43 | valdyn | !udeb |
| 18:09.43 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius, or http://wiki.debian.org/udeb |
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| 18:10.20 | ScrollLock | nsadmin: yeah, I know about encapsulation/decapsulation so if there was not mac of router's interface packet (mac thing) wouldnt be picked, and I just got it straight in my head now |
| 18:10.24 | ScrollLock | Thanks a lot |
| 18:10.31 | pfak | valdyn: Basically what Im trying to do is include an updated lvm2 version with the Lenny netinstall disc, is this possible to do using udebs? |
| 18:10.41 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 18:10.41 | dpkg | well, custom d-i is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 18:11.18 | valdyn | pfak: why dont you install it later? |
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| 18:11.24 | javi_ | /msg |
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| 18:11.51 | pfak | valdyn: Because I want to create an LVM2 logical volume that is on an mdraid and I want it to be alinged to the RAID .. and this will have Debian installed on it so its impossible to do it later? :) |
| 18:12.21 | patrikf | pfak: you could prepare your harddisk with an up-to-date live cd |
| 18:12.30 | valdyn | pfak: why cant it be aligned with the lvm2 from lenny? |
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| 18:12.34 | nsadmin | pfak: you could put a temporary drive in the box and install to that |
| 18:12.36 | dbelange | I have a question about single-user mode. |
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| 18:12.52 | pfak | valdyn: LVM2 included in Lenny doesnt support auto alingment. |
| 18:12.53 | nsadmin | dbelange: you can't be married to use it |
| 18:12.59 | pfak | patrikf: Good idea. |
| 18:13.00 | caraconan | <greycat> thanks, Ijust readed you |
| 18:13.02 | valdyn | pfak: i see |
| 18:13.14 | dbelange | nsadmin: This is Linux we're talking about. |
| 18:13.14 | valdyn | pfak: follow what dpkg said then |
| 18:13.44 | nsadmin | wwell.. ok, what's your question |
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| 18:15.00 | pfak | Where can I find a netinst/lviecd of Debian testing? |
| 18:15.07 | pfak | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ only has lenny D: |
| 18:15.21 | patrikf | pfak: you could use something like grml |
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| 18:15.49 | patrikf | or knoppix, or whatever, as long it has the lvm2 version you require |
| 18:15.51 | iconsumed | 1My microphone doesn't work to record with, it gives sound to my speakers but none of the apps I have (gnome-sound-recorder and skype) can tune on to it... |
| 18:15.59 | pfak | patrikf: they dont, i dont think .. only testing does. |
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| 18:16.19 | patrikf | pfak: grml is based on debian unstable, so check it out at least. |
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| 18:16.34 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 18:16.35 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ . Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
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| 18:17.16 | pfak | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/ weird, why isnt there any amd64 arch? |
| 18:17.47 | valdyn | pfak: that makes http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:18.09 | pfak | perfect. thanks a bunch! im blind today. |
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| 18:18.53 | maniek | hi! Debian lenny. exim4. problem: can't send e-mail with error message "can not open main logfile , can not open paniclog" I cheched permissions of /var/log/exim4/mainlog and it is Debian-exim:adm rw-r-----. Looks good for me. Is it a knonw problem? |
| 18:18.54 | nsadmin | is idly curious why daily-builds/daily |
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| 18:19.24 | valdyn | maniek: mainlog is not paniloc |
| 18:19.27 | valdyn | maniek: mainlog is not paniclog |
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| 18:20.37 | valdyn | maniek: ls -ld /var/log/exim4 |
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| 18:21.30 | schmrz | nsadmin: Can you help me out some more ? Pretty please :-) |
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| 18:23.27 | grand_gr1nt | Are there bittorrent _servers_ that I could install on Debian? |
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| 18:23.40 | greycat | they're called "trackers" |
| 18:23.55 | schmrz | nsadmin: I'm failing at creating an wireless ap. Could you help out ? |
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| 18:24.29 | Titan8990 | grand_gr1nt, bittorrent doesn't follow a traditional server -> client, its peer to peer |
| 18:25.07 | siOux_ | i need help to install 3com drivers. I have board of 3com model 3c2000-T, and i´am using debian lenny, of netinstallation |
| 18:25.17 | greycat | grand_gr1nt: apt-cache search torrent tracker |
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| 18:25.22 | grand_gr1nt | greycat: Yeah, thanks for the good keyword. |
| 18:25.57 | siOux_ | i downloaded driver on website of 3com, and i downloaded build-essentials, linux-headers and source |
| 18:26.23 | grand_gr1nt | Titan8990: I know that, I wanted to host my own "tracker" :) |
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| 18:27.46 | maniek | valdyn: drwxr-s--- Debian-exim adm |
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| 18:29.18 | grand_gr1nt | greycat: Seems there are no trackers available in Lenny. |
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| 18:29.49 | valdyn | maniek: thats ok, what about the output of mount? ( paste if you cant make anything out of it ) |
| 18:29.54 | valdyn | !tell maniek -about paste |
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| 18:30.22 | greycat | grand_gr1nt: damned lenny! |
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| 18:30.39 | greycat | no xlock, no torrent trackers... |
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| 18:31.12 | Titan8990 | well, i just checked my gentoo machine and they didn't appear to have torrent trackers either |
| 18:31.19 | jelly-home | no wife, no horse, no moustache |
| 18:31.28 | valdyn | grand_gr1nt: trackers are just quite tiny programs, most are not in debian |
| 18:31.56 | RfAFdlS | hi 2 all. Help me. cryptsetup: source device /dev/hda2 not found |
| 18:31.56 | Titan8990 | but there is media-sound/cheesetracker |
| 18:31.56 | greycat | judd, versions bittornado |
| 18:31.57 | judd | greycat: bittornado -- etch: 0.3.17-1 lenny: 0.3.18-8 sid: 0.3.18-8 sid: 0.3.18-9 squeeze: 0.3.18-9 |
| 18:32.01 | McL0VIN | is there is a way i can test if my tftp is working or no? |
| 18:32.01 | action09 | anyone has an error while trying to launch openvas-server on Lenny please ? |
| 18:32.10 | grand_gr1nt | valdyn: Yes, I found one on sourcegorge, but.. could be nice to just "aptitude install" a torrent tracker :) |
| 18:32.18 | valdyn | grand_gr1nt: yea, bittornado |
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| 18:32.27 | greycat | hmm. the version on sid says it's also a tracker. |
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| 18:32.45 | valdyn | includes a tracker yea |
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| 18:32.55 | mcnair | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.56 | greycat | I guess it's a change in the package description |
| 18:33.03 | RfAFdlS | please.. |
| 18:33.10 | RfAFdlS | cryptsetup: source device /dev/hda2 not found |
| 18:33.13 | greycat | mcnair: tried #squid yet? |
| 18:33.15 | RfAFdlS | :( |
| 18:33.18 | valdyn | RfAFdlS: repeating wont help you |
| 18:33.28 | valdyn | RfAFdlS: want us to translate that error? |
| 18:33.30 | mcnair | greycat: yes |
| 18:33.42 | valdyn | RfAFdlS: or whats your issue you cant solve? |
| 18:34.15 | maniek | valdyn: I think the interesting line is" /dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 18:34.25 | valdyn | maniek: yes |
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| 18:34.39 | valdyn | maniek: try "sudo touch /var/log/exim4/test" |
| 18:34.43 | darko_ | hello, can i use my tomboy notes with gnote? |
| 18:34.43 | mcnair | greycat: Im gonna assume you dont know how to answer me. Moving along |
| 18:34.50 | valdyn | maniek: or as root via su or whatever |
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| 18:35.04 | mcnair | Does anyone know how to allow attachments on web mail like gmail and yahoo using squid ? |
| 18:35.11 | sway | assuming is dangerous |
| 18:35.20 | mcnair | Not in this case |
| 18:35.26 | valdyn | mcnair: why would squid cause a problem with webmail? |
| 18:35.31 | sway | right on |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | I'm wondering why he thinks squid is the source of whatever unspecified problem he's seeing. |
| 18:35.56 | dbelange | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.05 | RfAFdlS | valdyn: installed debian, reboot and see this error |
| 18:36.07 | mcnair | valdyn: I dont know. All i know is when i dont use the proxy server i can send attachments with webmail |
| 18:36.10 | valdyn | mcnair: youre not going to get help by offending the most knowledgable people |
| 18:36.25 | mcnair | valdyn: I'm not offending anyone |
| 18:36.46 | mcnair | All im trying to do is find answers |
| 18:37.03 | valdyn | mcnair: show the error messages and the relevant excerpts from the squid logs |
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| 18:37.30 | darko_ | hello, can i use my tomboy notes with gnote? |
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| 18:38.08 | RfAFdlS | Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ ÐºÑо нибÑÐ´Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ ÑÑÑÑки понимаеÑ? |
| 18:38.13 | maniek | valdyn: no problem with that. also logrotate is touching this location. Lets start from the beginning: http://pastebin.com/d7376f2be |
| 18:38.19 | mcnair | valdyn: Thats just it. I've looked in /var/log/squid/access.log and didnt see any |
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| 18:38.37 | mcnair | There are no logs that point to why im having this problem |
| 18:39.19 | valdyn | mcnair: which user is exim4 running as? how did you start it? |
| 18:39.23 | Titan8990 | how did we go from a squid to exim problem? |
| 18:39.35 | mcnair | O_o |
| 18:39.40 | mcnair | exim4 ? |
| 18:39.51 | winter | RfAFdlS: Ð½ÐµÑ |
| 18:39.57 | valdyn | wrong target |
| 18:40.05 | valdyn | maniek: ^^ |
| 18:40.09 | mcnair | Obviously |
| 18:40.45 | valdyn | mcnair: im sure you get error messages and squid log about your accesses, show us |
| 18:40.53 | Arek_Fu | Hello everyone. When I log in, KDE4 starts ssh-agent (which I like) and xscreensaver (which I don't like), and I can't figure out why. .kde/{Autostart,env} are empty. Grepping .kde for instances of "ssh" or "xscre" doesn't return anything. pstree says both processes are spawned by startkde. Any enlightening idea? |
| 18:41.01 | RfAFdlS | winter: жалÑ. ХоÑоÑее ÑÑ |
| 18:41.36 | schmrz | I have created an wireless ap on my debian and assigned it an ip. When I try to ping that ip from another laptop connected to my wireless ap, I can see the data coming in wireshark but my ap doesn't want to answer the pings. |
| 18:41.39 | mcnair | valdyn: Im polling over the logs atm |
| 18:41.43 | schmrz | It also doesn't want to forward any data |
| 18:41.50 | winter | попÑобоваÑÑ Ð½Ð° #debian.ru |
| 18:41.54 | abrotman | RfAFdlS: winter: english here |
| 18:42.06 | maniek | valdyn: exim4 is added to runlevel. Problem: i don't know how to check which user is exim4 running as. I don't see exim in `ps aux` |
| 18:42.07 | winter | i'm trying to help that buddy |
| 18:42.22 | schmrz | When I try to ping the other machine from my debian box I get sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 18:42.24 | schmrz | Help ? |
| 18:42.28 | valdyn | maniek: "/etc/init.d/exim4 restart" |
| 18:42.40 | winter | yes, direct him to debina.ru |
| 18:42.56 | greycat | schmrz: did you remove the setuid bit from your copy of ping by accident? |
| 18:43.01 | RfAFdlS | winter: No result on #debian.ru |
| 18:43.42 | winter | #debian-ru |
| 18:43.42 | schmrz | greycat: I don't remember doing anything like that :D |
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| 18:44.24 | valdyn | schmrz: you installed selinux or bastille or somesuch? |
| 18:44.32 | schmrz | valdyn: nope |
| 18:44.33 | maniek | valdyn: oooopss |
| 18:44.37 | greycat | schmrz: ls -ld $(which ping) |
| 18:44.44 | maniek | valdyn: Stopping MTA for restart:/sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 6019: No such process |
| 18:44.55 | RfAFdlS | winter: yes, on #debian-ru,No result/ |
| 18:44.55 | valdyn | maniek: thats ok |
| 18:45.00 | valdyn | maniek: is it starting? |
| 18:45.21 | schmrz | greycat: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 32792 2007-12-10 05:20 /bin/ping |
| 18:45.29 | greycat | looks correct |
| 18:45.29 | winter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.30 | maniek | valdyn: well, after above message there is a message "Restarting MTA: exim4" |
| 18:45.32 | schmrz | greycat: it's the "stock" ping utility |
| 18:45.51 | schmrz | greycat: Do you need the output of route -n |
| 18:45.52 | schmrz | ? |
| 18:46.15 | schmrz | greycat: it looks weird to me :\ |
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| 18:46.51 | schmrz | greycat: http://pastebin.com/m74c1ed1d |
| 18:46.53 | valdyn | maniek: so? is it running now? no more error about "cannot create logfile" ? |
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| 18:48.01 | RfAFdlS | winter: re install it? |
| 18:48.26 | RfAFdlS | winter: without cripto? |
| 18:49.06 | maniek | valdyn: nope. exactly the same problem |
| 18:49.07 | schmrz | greycat: Any ideas ? |
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| 18:50.11 | tech13 | Weird glitch. Once in a while, we get a pdf that prints out with all characters as the character after. ie: ABC123 prints as BCD234. Windows machine printing via samba to cups. As well as the print outs before and after it are fine without requiring any settings changes, restarts or reboots. Suggestions on how to fix it? |
| 18:50.14 | maniek | valdyn: I red somwhere on net that this is problem of logrotate setting wrong permissions to the logfile. I would fix it, but I don't know what permissions this should be |
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| 18:50.36 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 18:51.11 | RfAFdlS | aprendiz001: hi |
| 18:51.33 | patrikf | tech13: sounds more like a printer problem |
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| 18:52.30 | aprendiz001 | I am using debian squeeze and I have two problems. One is that I can't access to the network, an error says "Nautilus can't open network places" or somthing like that |
| 18:52.33 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
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| 18:53.10 | patrikf | aprendiz001: squeeze is for those who know how to figure out such problems... |
| 18:53.45 | patrikf | if you want a working system, lenny is the way to go |
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| 18:54.53 | aprendiz001 | this was working and not now, I want to solve it |
| 18:54.56 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 18:55.15 | RfAFdlS | I can not use Debian because I see a message "cryptsetup: source device /dev/hda2 not found " at startup any idea? |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | "Debian". Yeah, sure. |
| 18:56.40 | mcnair | valdyn: |
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| 18:58.28 | RfAFdlS | what could be wrong? |
| 18:58.55 | greycat | At first glance, it would appear that you have invoked, used, installed, or otherwise come into contact with something called "cryptsetup", whatever that is. |
| 18:59.27 | mcnair | Does anyone know what this means: http://nopaste.com/p/akKXbXqxJ |
| 18:59.34 | greycat | It would also appear that this "cryptsetup" thing is somehow configured to look for a device /dev/hda2 which it cannot find. |
| 18:59.37 | mcnair | Thats the log i get from /var/log/squid/access.log |
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| 19:00.17 | greycat | mcnair: well, TCP_MISS means it wasn't cached (good), and DIRECT means it talked directly to that IP address, rather than another squid proxy |
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| 19:01.24 | RfAFdlS | greycat: how to fix this? |
| 19:01.28 | mcnair | greycat: understood, is it something i can fix within the conf ? |
| 19:01.34 | greycat | RfAFdlS: what is "cryptsetup" and what the hell did you DO? |
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| 19:02.05 | greycat | mcnair: there's no evidence of a problem on that line. in fact, it's a "GET" command, which means it wasn't even you sending an attachment (that would've been POST, probably) |
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| 19:03.00 | mcnair | greycat: so if there's no problem with the line. Then how is it that i cannot send attachments ? |
| 19:03.13 | greycat | mcnair: what error do you get when you try? |
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| 19:03.31 | RfAFdlS | greycat: well .. debian installed with encrypted hard drive. |
| 19:03.38 | mintee | so my 4.0 box got rootkitted. where can i find the exact bin's for apps like ifconfig netstat ps pstree login etc? |
| 19:03.44 | BeRoots | bonsoir... un tit problème avec GRUB... il boot nickel mes noyaux debian su 2eme HDD1,1 mais trouve pas Windows sur HDD0,0 (no such partition).... une idée ? |
| 19:03.51 | mcnair | greycat: Ouch
there's a problem attaching thunderbird.png. (46KB) From yahoo |
| 19:04.17 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work' |
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| 19:04.19 | Titan8990 | !doesn't work |
| 19:04.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:04.28 | greycat | !fr |
| 19:04.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:04.28 | mcnair | mintee: im assuming /etc |
| 19:05.01 | mintee | mcnair: eh? I'm just looking for a repo that I can pull x86 bin files. |
| 19:05.02 | greycat | mcnair: Oh gods. It doesn't say what the problem IS? Jesus, they must have taken lessons in programming from Microsoft people. |
| 19:05.27 | Titan8990 | mintee, you do not want to continue to run a server that has been rooted |
| 19:05.32 | mcnair | greycat: You asked what the error msg was and i responded |
| 19:05.36 | Titan8990 | mintee, imaqe, reformat, and start over |
| 19:05.41 | Titan8990 | s/imaqe/image |
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| 19:05.48 | mintee | Titan8990: why would i image it then? |
| 19:05.51 | BeRoots | goodnight ... I have a little problem with GRUB ... nickel it boot my debian kernel su 2nd HDD1, 1 but is not on Windows HDD0, 0 (no such partition ).... any idea? |
| 19:06.07 | Titan8990 | mintee, forensics if you are interested in how it happened and how you could prevent it in the future |
| 19:06.14 | greycat | mcnair: it's very unlikely that I personally can help you with this. I have no idea how yahoo webmail works. #squid (or was it ##squid?) really is the best place to seek help. |
| 19:06.29 | mintee | and Titan8990 it's in colo 3 hours away, i just wanna clean it up a bit before I can have the time to do that |
| 19:06.41 | mcnair | That was my first choice before posting on 3 different linux forums |
| 19:06.50 | mcnair | No one seems to know how to fix this |
| 19:07.26 | greycat | Are you sure there's really NOTHING at all in your squid logs concerning the attempt to post the attachment file? |
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| 19:08.03 | mcnair | Im looking |
| 19:08.06 | mcnair | There's only 3 |
| 19:08.22 | greycat | mcnair: oh, also... is the webmail you're using http: or https: ? |
| 19:08.24 | mcnair | access.log cache.log and store.log |
| 19:08.30 | mcnair | http |
| 19:08.41 | mcnair | https is only used when logging in |
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| 19:08.49 | mcnair | Once logged in it switches back to http |
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| 19:09.05 | mcnair | But even if that was the case, squid doesnt give me problems on either protocol |
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| 19:09.32 | j_14 | mintee: How did you find out that your box got broken into? |
| 19:09.36 | mintee | Titan8990: i'm looking in the mirrors to see if I can find the bins that I need replacing, but i don't see them. |
| 19:09.51 | mintee | j_14: the ass hats left their term open in screen |
| 19:09.58 | mintee | so a simple screen -x and i had their console |
| 19:10.03 | Titan8990 | mintee, most will likely be a part of coreutils |
| 19:10.23 | mintee | Titan8990: right, thanks... :D |
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| 19:12.39 | RfAFdlS | bay 2 all /me re install it :( |
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| 19:12.49 | abrotman | english? |
| 19:12.53 | greycat | Good idea. This time, don't use "cryptsetup". |
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| 19:13.00 | Vasistha | little frustrating that the netinst cd, upon selecting "desktop environment" at package selection, did not allow me to specify kde! Anyway, on to real questions... |
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| 19:13.21 | greycat | abrotman: I believe he meant "Good-bye, everyone. I'm going to reinstall it." |
| 19:13.23 | darkweasel | any1 know how to convert wmv to mpeg? |
| 19:13.37 | greycat | darkweasel: #mplayer might know |
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| 19:13.51 | Vasistha | in removing gnome, I have found a maze of package dependencies, all of which seem to be on automatically-installed packages. Is there a way to get to the bottom of this, and figure out which package is pulling all the gnome libraries in? |
| 19:14.00 | abrotman | greycat: you are quite fluent in jibberish ... |
| 19:14.16 | abrotman | !tell Vasistha about remove gnome |
| 19:14.29 | Vasistha | thanks |
| 19:15.02 | hark | Vasistha: there is an installer option for kde |
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| 19:15.09 | RfAFdlS | greycat: Thank for respond.. |
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| 19:16.26 | Vasistha | hark: huh, I don't remember encountering it. Would I have needed to do the advanced install or something? |
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| 19:17.02 | hark | Vasistha: "install tasks=kde-desktop" IIRC |
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| 19:18.26 | hark | a boot option, one of the Fn keys describes it |
| 19:18.26 | mcnair | Squid is a Fn POS |
| 19:18.41 | Vasistha | hark: a boot option? right. because when I am booting the installer kernel, I always think 10 steps ahead about the task selection that I will be encountering in 5 minutes :) heh |
| 19:18.58 | Vasistha | next time, I guess -- I might remember that :) |
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| 19:19.47 | hark | Vasistha: oh that's for etch. lenny you can just do desktop=kde (http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html) |
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| 19:20.22 | abrotman | but why would you install gnome if you didn't want it ? |
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| 19:22.00 | Vasistha | abrotman: I just selected "desktop environment" at the task select screen on the netinst cd, it didn't give me an option. And I wasn't thinking about kde when I started booting the install kernel. |
| 19:22.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:22.27 | Vasistha | next time I'll revert to my normal behavior -- DON'T select the desktop environment task, just install the base system and then install kde manually later |
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| 19:22.41 | greycat | Vasistha: that's what I do too. It's very common here. |
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| 19:23.03 | Vasistha | I was just thinking maybe the installer program had matured a little... someday :) |
| 19:23.24 | Vasistha | I see I'm in good company... |
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| 19:24.10 | Darkknow | Hello :) |
| 19:24.27 | Sir_Konrad | hey. |
| 19:24.54 | Darkknow | Heu ... Y'a-t-il des personnes qui parlent français ? |
| 19:24.58 | themill | Vasistha: apparently saying "Desktop (GNOME)" and also giving options for KDE etc would be too confusing for people so the CD team don't do that... |
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| 19:25.20 | Sir_Konrad | what do you do when you're disappointed with Linux now because we no longer have KDE 3? |
| 19:25.38 | greycat | install KDE 3 |
| 19:25.44 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:25.44 | themill | Sir_Konrad: install lenny |
| 19:25.44 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:25.45 | zleap | dunno, i didn'tl like kde4 much so moved to gnome |
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| 19:25.58 | Sir_Konrad | greycat: can you do that with Debian? |
| 19:26.00 | greycat | continues using fvwm |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | Sir_Konrad: lenny still has kde3 |
| 19:26.24 | Sir_Konrad | 5.0.3 is lenny, right abrotman? |
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| 19:26.37 | abrotman | sure |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | Sir_Konrad: and if you don't like KDE4, please don't cling to kde3 .. just find something else to use |
| 19:27.05 | maniek | what are the proper user:group for exim4 in Debian lenny? |
| 19:27.08 | Sir_Konrad | Do I have to download all 5 DVD images abrotman? |
| 19:27.13 | Vasistha | Sir_Konrad: last I checked, testing was still on kde3 too |
| 19:27.15 | Sir_Konrad | or just the first? |
| 19:27.37 | Darkknow | Thanks :) |
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| 19:27.50 | greycat | maniek: what file/dir? |
| 19:27.52 | abrotman | Sir_Konrad: use the netinst |
| 19:28.17 | maniek | greycat: dir /var/log/exim4 ; file: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 19:28.47 | Sir_Konrad | abrotman: this PC inn't connected to the internet. |
| 19:28.53 | Sir_Konrad | the one I'm going to install on. |
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| 19:29.00 | greycat | drwxr-s--- 2 Debian-exim adm 4096 2009-10-20 12:30 /var/log/exim4 |
| 19:29.00 | greycat | -rw-r----- 1 Debian-exim adm 653 2009-10-20 15:00 /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 19:29.21 | Vasistha | looks like sid still has kdelibs ver 3.5.10, so I suppose there's a good chance squeeze will include kde 3 ... that might actually get to be a little painful, if squeeze is going to be stable for two years as suggested |
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| 19:29.59 | maniek | greycat: do you have exim4? I get error : http://pastebin.com/m771ed8e6 and I don't know how to fix it |
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| 19:30.28 | Sir_Konrad | [14:26] <abrotman> Sir_Konrad: and if you don't like KDE4, please don't cling to kde3 .. just find something else to use. <-- what else is out there besides GNOME? |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | there's an #exim |
| 19:30.33 | Sir_Konrad | IceWM? lol |
| 19:30.44 | greycat | I have it installed a few places but I know almost nothing about it. |
| 19:31.08 | captainmunch | = big fan of knoppix --> debian install :3 |
| 19:31.10 | abrotman | Sir_Konrad: tons of things .. xfce/lxde/e17/lots of stuff .. |
| 19:31.16 | krisfremen | Sir_Konrad: i use ratpoison |
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| 19:31.52 | Sir_Konrad | ratpoison sounds horrible. :) |
| 19:32.13 | captainmunch | ratpoison the DM? |
| 19:32.24 | hark | wm |
| 19:32.28 | captainmunch | er yea WM |
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| 19:32.43 | pfak | Anyone familiar with how to align a LVM ontop of an mdraid? |
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| 19:33.28 | Vasistha | pfak: probably. just ask your question |
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| 19:34.12 | Sir_Konrad | I'm using WinXP right now with how much I hated KDE4. |
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| 19:34.49 | krisfremen | yeah, ratpoison the wm |
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| 19:35.19 | krisfremen | although it sound terrible, if you like screen, it's the same thing only it's for GUI |
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| 19:38.50 | dondelelcaro | you may also find awesome useful |
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| 19:40.07 | ranix | I personally prefer to simply use xfce |
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| 19:40.21 | Sir_Konrad | I like GNOME with certain settings. |
| 19:40.23 | ranix | and run a fullscreen screen terminal on my spare monitor |
| 19:40.38 | Sir_Konrad | Like getting that stinking menu to the bottom of the screen like Windows. |
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| 19:41.23 | ranix | I prefer a top menu on the secondary monitor |
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| 19:44.01 | Gijs | Guys how can i use unzip with a special user or chmod ? |
| 19:44.04 | Sir_Konrad | I'd like GNOME on one monitor and a fullscreen terminal on the other. |
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| 19:45.05 | greycat | Gijs: become that user, then run that command. |
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| 19:49.40 | Vasistha | So I am in the aptitude front-end, and I have used an 'l' list filter to get a list of 33 packages that I want to purge. Is there a way to say "mark all these I see as purge"? |
| 19:49.40 | Sir_Konrad | Do I have to download all 5 disc images to get a working Debian system? |
| 19:49.55 | greycat | no, you don't even need the whole first image. |
| 19:50.08 | greycat | either disc 1, or the net install disc, is sufficient |
| 19:50.55 | Sir_Konrad | ok, thanks greycat. |
| 19:51.10 | Sir_Konrad | greycat: does it come with NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT drivers? |
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| 19:51.51 | dromer | I'm having a problem with my xircom pcmcia ethernet card. during the install there is a connection made immediately with a mirror site, but after the install dhclient times out continously |
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| 19:52.34 | Zvpun | howto set the default keyboard layout for tty1-6? I dpkg-reconfigure console-data but the change does not survive a reboot. I think that keymap.sh is not run because of "if type setupcon; then exit 0; fi" I also found lots of console-* packages and there is kbd package, what is the way to configure keyboard layout on /dev/tty1-6? |
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| 19:54.13 | adb | Sir_Konrad, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:54.14 | Vasistha | Sir_Konrad: I'm about 90% certain that it will come with a driver that will put a gui on your screen (but which will not include 3d acceleration). You can probably get 3d acceleration working later, but first get your system up and running with the basic driver. |
| 19:54.27 | Sir_Konrad | ok thanks Vasistha. |
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| 19:54.59 | Vasistha | dromer: what are you installing? |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | Zvpun: well... uh... setupcon is in /bin in the console-setup package (in sid at least) |
| 19:55.56 | greycat | Zvpun: so what that script fragment means is "if the setupcon program is installed, stop" |
| 19:56.09 | dromer | Vasistha: nothing, I'm trying to get the network to work. I was installing squeeze btw. |
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| 19:56.21 | Zvpun | greycat: yes but I found no call to setupcon in /etc/init.d so I think it is never run and can never setup the console |
| 19:56.37 | dromer | Vasistha: so with 'during the install' I meant the install-cd |
| 19:56.39 | Zvpun | greycat: I tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup-mini (where setupcon comes from) |
| 19:57.30 | Sir_Konrad | ok, if I want KDE3 with Debian, should I get stable or testing? (I'm only downloading the first DVD) |
| 19:57.36 | winter | question: i just bough a gf9600, it's working but i cannot set a higher refresh rate than 50hz, what should i change in xorg conf, HorizSync 30-81; VertRefresh 56-75; i'm using lenndy |
| 19:57.39 | greycat | stable, obviously. |
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| 19:58.34 | Sir_Konrad | Vasistha: greycast says stable, you say it comes with testing. |
| 19:59.05 | Sir_Konrad | [14:27] <Vasistha> Sir_Konrad: last I checked, testing was still on kde3 too |
| 19:59.14 | Vasistha | Sir_Konrad: you should install stable. |
| 19:59.27 | greycat | Sir_Konrad: that simply means either one would work, assuming testing has no other issues, which... uh... it's called "testing" for a reason. |
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| 20:00.01 | themill | KDE3 is no longer in testing |
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| 20:00.16 | winter | ok, no answer here. |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | also assuming Vasistha was correct ;-) |
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| 20:00.50 | Sir_Konrad | lol |
| 20:01.02 | Sir_Konrad | ok I'm going for stable. I <3 KDE 3. |
| 20:01.32 | Sir_Konrad | Let's just hope it works. |
| 20:01.36 | winter | i use xfce4.6 |
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| 20:01.40 | greycat | !stable |
| 20:01.40 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 20:01.50 | Sir_Konrad | Oh dear, the server is slow. |
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| 20:02.05 | Sir_Konrad | any other stable mirror? |
| 20:02.16 | winter | debina.org |
| 20:02.21 | winter | search trhere |
| 20:02.24 | Sir_Konrad | ok |
| 20:02.29 | greycat | Sir_Konrad: this is why one normally uses the net install image instead of full DVD images |
| 20:02.37 | Zvpun | howto set the keyboard layout used on the console /dev/tty1-6? |
| 20:03.00 | dromer | hm, finally I get a dhcplease, weird that during the install-cd it happens immediately, but now it takes ages and at least 5 tries |
| 20:03.03 | Titan8990 | Sir_Konrad, from my experience picking a mirror located at a university is a good bet in terms of speed |
| 20:03.05 | Sir_Konrad | greycat: I can download the images at work. At home I have a 200MB cap. |
| 20:03.06 | Vasistha | themill: how can one detect what version of kde is in testing? I usually search p.d.o for kdelibs, and it's still showing me 3.5.10 |
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| 20:03.29 | Titan8990 | Sir_Konrad, 200mb? you get to look at slashdot for 15min? |
| 20:03.33 | flexy | I have a non-PC HW here, I'm trying to install lirc_serial module, but I can't seem to do it right... I have run setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none, after which I run modprobe lirc_serial with not so good results. Where do I find the address for io= option for module? |
| 20:03.36 | themill | Vasistha: a couple of kdelibs are there still but not the rest of KDE. /msg dpkg kde version |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | Sir_Konrad: 200 MB per day? |
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| 20:03.58 | Sir_Konrad | yup. |
| 20:04.01 | Titan8990 | even 3g carriers here offer 5gb.... |
| 20:04.03 | Vasistha | themill: well dpkg tells me to look at the version of kdelibs :D |
| 20:04.14 | winter | Zvpun: vim /etc/locale.gen; locale-GEN |
| 20:04.17 | AimHere | So no downloading a linux install DVD for you then |
| 20:04.22 | Sir_Konrad | Titan8990: can you say HughesNet? |
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| 20:04.30 | themill | Vasistha: I know, but it also points you to the wiki :) |
| 20:04.33 | Sir_Konrad | AimHere: I'm at work. I can download it here. |
| 20:04.58 | Titan8990 | Sir_Konrad, we have them as a backup line at work... they didn't impose any restrictions like that |
| 20:05.08 | AimHere | Sir_Konrad, fair enough, but why haven't you put poop in your home ISP's letterbox yet? |
| 20:05.48 | Vasistha | themill: well, honestly... I'm a little hesitant... but I think it's good news. As much as I know there will be difficulties, I think I'd rather have kde4 in the next year, rather than have kde3 for >2 years more |
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| 20:06.15 | Sir_Konrad | AimHere: becuase my dad pays for it. ;P |
| 20:06.52 | themill | Vasistha: yes, upstream's "KDE3 will be supported for quite some time" policy fails as soon as you go to bugs.kde.org where you get politely told where to go. |
| 20:06.57 | Zvpun | winter: why does locale.gen involve keyboard layout? |
| 20:07.33 | Vasistha | themill: or any kde irc channel... |
| 20:07.40 | oliland | i'm running debian lenny. i have a shared "project" folder that i want a few users to be able to access. i've added the users to the groups using usermod -a -G project user - and i've changed the project folder permissions to enable g+rws but they still can't write to it. what's wrong? |
| 20:07.51 | karsten | Vasistha: As a current KDE4 user in Ubuntu, I'd strongly suggest you stick w/ KDE3. |
| 20:07.51 | winter | oh, sry for the misunderstooding |
| 20:08.01 | Vasistha | themill: I remember running sarge with a pretty old kde for a long time |
| 20:08.05 | winter | Zvpun: i dont know :) |
| 20:08.19 | winter | or] |
| 20:08.25 | winter | & |
| 20:08.27 | karsten | Vasistha: There's nothing wrong with "old, but works". KDE4 is badly, badly, badly broken, still. |
| 20:08.58 | Vasistha | karsten: wow. hum. know any handy links where I can read about it? I had the impression that things were coming together in 4.3 |
| 20:09.04 | Sir_Konrad | karsten: I hate KDE4. |
| 20:09.10 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 20:09.19 | Sir_Konrad | I hope with KDE5 they bring back the good KDE. |
| 20:09.24 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 20:09.33 | abrotman | oliland: are they part of the group at that point? |
| 20:09.54 | karsten | Vasistha: Last good bit I saw was a dust-up on LWN> |
| 20:10.06 | winter | abrotman: i see that i'm unwelocomed here |
| 20:10.09 | oliland | abrotman: yes, they are - i used usermod - and when i do groups user it lists them as being in their username group as well as the project group |
| 20:10.16 | karsten | Vasistha: A couple that turn up in Google: http://lwn.net/Articles/316827/ http://lwn.net/Articles/346570/ |
| 20:10.17 | abrotman | winter: here? why is that? |
| 20:11.11 | winter | you should know that |
| 20:11.15 | winter | bb |
| 20:11.24 | abrotman | winter: if you're not going to explain, i'll ignore the comment. Have a nice day! |
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| 20:11.41 | oliland | abrotman: i also changed the directory owner to projectadmin.group but still no joy |
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| 20:12.20 | abrotman | oliland: ls -ld the/directory/ .. show us here |
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| 20:13.11 | oliland | abrotman: drwxrwsr-x 11 oliland drupal 4096 2009-10-20 19:59 drupal/ |
| 20:13.25 | oliland | where drupal is the name of the group |
| 20:14.08 | Zvpun | howto set the keyboard layout used on the console /dev/tty1-6? |
| 20:14.44 | karsten | Zvpun: consolekeys or consoletools IIRC. |
| 20:14.49 | dromer | hmmm, I just installed X and realize my mousepad isn't working. I'm pretty sure it worked on previous installs. |
| 20:14.56 | dromer | is there a way to debug this? |
| 20:15.07 | karsten | Zvpun: ... apparently not. It's been a while. |
| 20:15.36 | karsten | Zvpun: console-data / console-setup appear to be the current incarnations of those. |
| 20:15.41 | Zvpun | karsten: I found /bin/setupcon but cant find valuable google information |
| 20:15.43 | Gijs | Guys how can i use unzip with a special chmod ? |
| 20:16.00 | Gijs | so i chmod a file and i want all files get chmod 777 how? |
| 20:16.01 | Zvpun | karsten: console-data bails out if setupcon is present. |
| 20:16.02 | karsten | Gijs: Huh? |
| 20:16.12 | greycat | Gijs: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:16.22 | Gijs | i want to unzip a file |
| 20:16.24 | karsten | Zvpun: Sorry, no idea. I haven't messed w/ console fonts/keymaps for a LONG time. |
| 20:16.30 | module000 | Gijs: so unzip it, then chmod the files afterwards. |
| 20:16.36 | karsten | Gijs: aptitude install unzip |
| 20:16.37 | greycat | Gijs: you want to unzip a file and then set all the resulting files to 644 permissions? |
| 20:16.38 | hark | dromer: which version of debian? |
| 20:16.41 | Gijs | but if i unzip it i got chmod: -rw-r--r-- |
| 20:16.46 | AimHere | chmod -R works, but be careful with it |
| 20:16.48 | greycat | 644. good. 644 is good. |
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| 20:16.50 | AimHere | man chmod |
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| 20:16.58 | greycat | why do you want it to be something other than -rw-r--r-- |
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| 20:17.19 | karsten | Is there still a non-free unzip or has that rolled into unzip? |
| 20:17.34 | Gijs | but i can't make it chmod to 777 ? |
| 20:17.51 | dromer | hark: squeeze |
| 20:18.04 | greycat | WHY do you want the files to be 777? |
| 20:18.04 | karsten | Gijs: DON'T DO THAT |
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| 20:18.04 | AimHere | You can, Gijs, but it's 10-1 that you don't really want to |
| 20:18.04 | hark | dromer: is it not working at all or just the tapping or scrolling? |
| 20:18.04 | karsten | Gijs: 777 is really stupid. |
| 20:18.04 | dromer | not at all |
| 20:18.08 | AimHere | man chmod, and look up the -R option, and be careful |
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| 20:18.25 | AimHere | After reconsidering whether you REALLY want to do it |
| 20:18.25 | hark | dromer: is it a synaptics touchpad? |
| 20:18.30 | oliland | abrotman: no other users in the group can write or create files though :'( |
| 20:18.35 | themill | karsten: "joomla installer tells me to do that"... shall we open a betting pool on that? |
| 20:18.40 | dromer | hark: don't know, It's a pretty old laptop though. |
| 20:18.46 | Gijs | -R ? |
| 20:18.51 | Gijs | how unzip -R file ? |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | oliland: moment .. phone .. /msg dpkg permissions |
| 20:18.59 | AimHere | No, unzip file, then chmod afterwards |
| 20:19.10 | karsten | Gijs: -R is a chmod argument, not unzip |
| 20:19.15 | AimHere | But be careful, and think about what you're trying to do. |
| 20:19.19 | karsten | Gijs: man unzip; man chamod |
| 20:19.25 | karsten | s/chamod/chmod/ |
| 20:19.26 | oliland | abrotman: <3 |
| 20:19.43 | Gijs | but how can i chmod only the files i want |
| 20:19.45 | themill | Gijs: try explaining why you think you need 777.... perhaps we can suggest something better for you |
| 20:20.08 | greycat | now he only wants SOME of the files...? |
| 20:20.11 | greycat | jesus. |
| 20:20.19 | hark | dromer: lshal|grep touchpad return anything? |
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| 20:20.53 | karsten | Gijs: There are very few things on your system that should be world writeable. /tmp and /dev/null come to mind. |
| 20:20.56 | dromer | hark: nope |
| 20:21.23 | Gijs | hmm |
| 20:21.35 | Gijs | i think i have enough with 644 |
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| 20:21.57 | Zvpun | howto set the keyboard layout used on the console /dev/tty1-6? |
| 20:22.11 | AimHere | Debian room sighs with relief at Gijs filesystem |
| 20:22.14 | greycat | For the record, setting umask to 000 before unzipping does NOT give you perm=666 files. The permissions are stored in the zip file. They can be seen with "zipinfo -l ZIPFILE" but not apparently with "unzip -v ZIPFILE". |
| 20:22.20 | karsten | notes that in /dev, only full, fuse, log, null, ptmx, random, shm, tty urandom, and zero are world-readable. |
| 20:22.29 | karsten | And I'm not sure why about 3/4 of those are. |
| 20:22.43 | themill | Zvpun: etch? lenny? squeeze? ... what have you tried? what doesn't work? |
| 20:22.49 | karsten | erm, writeable, not readable. |
| 20:22.58 | AimHere | You could always try changing them to not writable and finding out |
| 20:23.23 | AimHere | Report back and tell us what you find out, if your computer still works, that is. |
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| 20:24.01 | Zvpun | themill: I use testing. i found keymap.sh exiting if /dev/setupcon is present, but setupcon is not called anywhere in etc/init.d |
| 20:24.11 | hark | dromer: so hal is not detecting it. does dmesg |grep -i touch tell you anything? |
| 20:24.32 | Zvpun | themill: I tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup-mini but without success |
| 20:24.52 | themill | Zvpun: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" is supposed to configure your kb for both conosle and X in squeeze. |
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| 20:25.13 | Zvpun | themill: I only got console-setup-mini |
| 20:25.25 | greycat | sounds like you need to install the real one, then |
| 20:25.46 | Kuifje111 | are packages from the "experimental" repositories suited for general usage? |
| 20:25.56 | Zvpun | from aptitude show I couldnt tell the difference do you happen to know them? |
| 20:26.02 | dromer | hark: nope, nothing either |
| 20:26.07 | AimHere | Obviously not, Kuifje111. That's why they're experimental |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | Zvpun: does one of them include the setupcon program? |
| 20:26.40 | Zvpun | console-setup-mini has /bin/setupcon |
| 20:26.43 | Kuifje111 | AimHere: will applications in the experimental repositories be definitely very unstable? |
| 20:26.47 | dromer | hark: I'm very sure this mousepad works though. I've previously had a debian install (lenny, later upgraded to squeeze) on this laptop that worked and knoppix 6.0.1 live-cd works as well |
| 20:26.48 | greycat | so they both do? *shrug* |
| 20:26.52 | simonrvn | general usage? no. for reporting bugs on? sure. |
| 20:26.55 | Kuifje111 | AimHere: or just possibly? |
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| 20:27.13 | Zvpun | but its not called during startup as far as I can tell from grep setupcon /etc/init.d |
| 20:27.27 | greycat | Zvpun: did you _try_ installing console-setup yet? |
| 20:27.41 | Kuifje111 | would giving compiling from source give me better results than using the experimental repositories? |
| 20:27.44 | Zvpun | greycat: no, but I do it now |
| 20:27.52 | Kuifje111 | -giving* |
| 20:27.52 | AimHere | Kuifje111, well you're welcome to try out some of the packages, but there's no guarantee that the packages won't nuke your system and email hatemail to your boss |
| 20:28.14 | greycat | probably not in that order. |
| 20:28.30 | AimHere | Kuifje111, depends on what it is you're trying to do |
| 20:28.42 | Kuifje111 | AimHere: just want to get it as stable as possible. |
| 20:28.48 | hark | dromer: pastebin cat /proc/bus/input/devices. we'll see |
| 20:29.05 | AimHere | Errr, That's what 'stable' is for ;) |
| 20:29.13 | abrotman | oliland: did you find your answer? |
| 20:29.17 | AimHere | Wait 3 years and your package will be there |
| 20:29.23 | oliland | abrotman: no. its odd, looks like i've done everything right... |
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| 20:29.40 | hark | dromer: and also your xorg log and conf while you're at it |
| 20:29.49 | Kuifje111 | AimHere: is there a difference between compiling from source off the developer's site or fetching the package from experimental repositories? |
| 20:29.56 | greycat | Personally, I'm more likely to use an upstream source tarball than a Debian experimental package, but that's just me. |
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| 20:30.21 | greycat | Kuifje111: yes. Debian modifies things. |
| 20:30.26 | AimHere | Yes, Kuifje111, in that some packager is likely to have fiddled with experimental |
| 20:30.39 | hark | dromer: maybe also dmesg output |
| 20:31.09 | Kuifje111 | thanks for all the info, I'll just go with the experimental repository then, I guess. |
| 20:31.37 | dromer | hark: heh, I'm installing a browser on the thing as we speak (or I can put the outputs on my server if you want), don't feel like playing with usb-drives atm |
| 20:31.54 | oliland | abrotman: NOWHERE does it say that you have to logout and log back in to become a group member... >.< |
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| 20:32.07 | greycat | oliland: documentation sucks. |
| 20:32.10 | abrotman | i was just asking .. |
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| 20:32.18 | silidan | hi, im running debian sid amd64 bit at the moment with 4 gig of ram, asfxload wont load soundfonts larger than i guess 128MB with the message out of memory altough asfxload -M reports about 512Mb of memory left... any workaround? |
| 20:32.32 | oliland | throws abrotman a bag of cookies |
| 20:32.34 | hark | dromer: np, take your time |
| 20:32.35 | greycat | oliland: your process cannot change its existing privileges. (Unless you're root.) The only way you can acquire additional privileges is to make a new process. |
| 20:33.03 | oliland | greycat: it all makes sense now =) thankyou everyone |
| 20:33.12 | oliland | i have a screen, i will linger around here and help the next person that falls for that one! |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | oliland: so it works? |
| 20:33.18 | dromer | hmmm, kazehakase sefaults .. |
| 20:33.20 | dromer | seg* |
| 20:33.25 | oliland | abrotman: yep, logging out and logging back in solved everything |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | dromer: yes, it does .. especially if using the webkit backend |
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| 20:34.04 | dromer | hmmm, weird .. what other low-end browser is there besides w3m? |
| 20:34.18 | greycat | dillo, links, lynx |
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| 20:34.37 | dromer | hehe, and for X? ;) (wait, dillo is for X too right?) |
| 20:34.46 | greycat | dillo and links are both X clients |
| 20:34.50 | simonrvn | 'low-end' = text mode now? |
| 20:35.00 | greycat | did you mean terminal-based? if so, you can forget dillo. |
| 20:35.02 | dromer | simonrvn: heh, no I meant for X ;) |
| 20:35.08 | hark | dromer: links2, midori |
| 20:35.12 | simonrvn | kids today... |
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| 20:35.30 | simonrvn | :P |
| 20:35.42 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: what would you describe as being a low-end webbrowser then? |
| 20:35.46 | abrotman | dromer: i wish kazehakase-webkit worked ... |
| 20:35.47 | Titan8990 | can't forget about the W3 emacs plugin |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | we can .. |
| 20:36.02 | Titan8990 | lol |
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| 20:36.19 | simonrvn | define low-end :P |
| 20:36.27 | SpeedyG | good point :D |
| 20:36.39 | dromer | simonrvn: 400mHz laptop with 256mb ram |
| 20:36.50 | dromer | not ultra low, but I want to keep it slim :P |
| 20:37.03 | simonrvn | resource restricted |
| 20:37.03 | SpeedyG | dromer: you don't require a low-end browser, but a browser for a low-end system :p |
| 20:37.25 | simonrvn | keepin' it small |
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| 20:37.32 | SpeedyG | or as simonrvn says, resource restricted system ;) |
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| 20:37.42 | dromer | -_-' |
| 20:38.01 | simonrvn | i think of that sort of thing all the time, trying to minimise stuff |
| 20:38.06 | greycat | 256 MB isn't too shabby. maybe opera. |
| 20:38.16 | silidan | hi, im running debian sid amd64 bit at the moment with 4 gig of ram, asfxload wont load soundfonts larger than i guess 128MB with the message out of memory altough asfxload -M reports about 512Mb of memory left... any workaround? |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | most web pages today will NOT work as the designers expect in dillo, links, etc. |
| 20:38.37 | SpeedyG | ever since mickeysoft gave us windows, I gave up on minimising stuff... ;) |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | if he's okay with DFSG non-free software |
| 20:38.49 | simonrvn | opera or chromium as fancy browser would run fine on that |
| 20:38.50 | simonrvn | or epiphan |
| 20:39.01 | dromer | hmmm, I can't even find dillo in my repo's |
| 20:39.05 | simonrvn | y (if it was stable in its current webkit incarnation) |
| 20:39.07 | abrotman | judd: versions dillo |
| 20:39.08 | judd | abrotman: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
| 20:39.23 | simonrvn | hm, how did that newline get inserted? |
| 20:39.51 | dromer | gah, I need to get this mouse working (using a tablet atm for mouse, which I'm nos used to) |
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| 20:40.22 | dromer | hark: is it ok if I upload the outputs? would be much faster atm :P |
| 20:40.27 | SpeedyG | hm, I must have some laptop laying around here as well... somewhere.. |
| 20:40.35 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: i just ignore them except when a host is running that exclusively and it's sending me spam or trying to exploit my web server. |
| 20:40.43 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:40.51 | dromer | abrotman: I had Kazehakase working on this laptop before though |
| 20:40.59 | simonrvn | hi |
| 20:41.02 | dromer | also on squeeze |
| 20:41.04 | abrotman | dromer: probably -gecko .. the -webkit is seriously buggy |
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| 20:41.41 | flexy | I have a non-PC HW here, I'm trying to install lirc_serial module, but I can't seem to do it right... I have run setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none, after which I run modprobe lirc_serial with not so good results. Where do I find the address for io= option for module? |
| 20:41.45 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: I gave up on ignoring MS Windows ever since I started working for a company that gives me a laptop running windows :( nevertheless I still like debian better for my server :) |
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| 20:42.18 | simonrvn | SpeedyG: my condolences |
| 20:42.23 | hark | dromer: ok, you can try midori too |
| 20:42.44 | simonrvn | oh, arora is decent |
| 20:43.00 | justin | chromium ftw :) |
| 20:43.10 | simonrvn | lightweight and does css and js properly. it even has adblock and flashblock builtin |
| 20:43.14 | dromer | hehe, ok, hmm, xorg.conf is not there anymore .. I know it was becoming phased out, but it's totally gone now |
| 20:43.18 | hark | arora -> qt, midori -> gtk :) |
| 20:43.24 | abrotman | dromer: that's fine usually |
| 20:43.30 | justin | arora is nice but the last time I tried it wasn't very stable and froze pretty easily |
| 20:43.30 | dkr | I added SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" to /etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules but it's still creating /dev/sg5 as 660 when I plug in the device(G1 phone). did I miss some obvious step? |
| 20:43.40 | simonrvn | midori i haven't much if any experience with it |
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| 20:44.02 | simonrvn | justin: more recent ones are better |
| 20:44.27 | simonrvn | a bit, i think it's still crashy on some things. |
| 20:44.32 | dromer | hark: qt/gtk, w/e, I'm running awesome wm now, so they probably have about as much dependencies :P |
| 20:44.39 | silidan | hi, im running debian sid amd64 bit at the moment with 4 gig of ram, asfxload wont load soundfonts larger than i guess 128MB with the message out of memory altough asfxload -M reports about 512Mb of memory left... any workaround? |
| 20:44.55 | Titan8990 | justin, not sure how much chomium differs but from my experience chrome eates as much ram as firefox/iceweasel and opera |
| 20:44.59 | dromer | hark: so, I can't give you my xorg.conf, because I don't have one :P |
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| 20:45.03 | simonrvn | well compared to kde / gnome, those are light deps |
| 20:45.06 | flexy | silidan: add swap. |
| 20:45.18 | silidan | flexy: what? |
| 20:45.26 | simonrvn | !+ask |
| 20:45.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:45.29 | Titan8990 | justin, on the same platform |
| 20:45.48 | hark | dromer: it's not there by default, it's ok |
| 20:45.50 | silidan | flexy: i mean what do you mean with "add swap"... |
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| 20:46.51 | flexy | silidan: swap, it's virtual memory. add it and then you have more memory for your stuff |
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| 20:47.50 | silidan | flexy: i have 4 gig of system memory, 512 is reserved from that for asfxload an i still got plenty free |
| 20:47.55 | greycat | gets all confused. "chrome" and "chromium" are different... or not... or... ? |
| 20:48.15 | adb | are different |
| 20:48.26 | dromer | hmmm, after installing midori it doesn't end up in the menu, must be something awesome-specific .. ah well, uploading the files to my server now |
| 20:48.33 | flexy | silidan: then I don't know what to do. never used that program |
| 20:48.46 | silidan | flexy: ok, thanks for tha try :) |
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| 20:49.27 | dromer | hark: http://user.mrtoasted.com/~dreamer/craptop/ |
| 20:49.28 | Titan8990 | greycat, chomium is the open source version of chrome |
| 20:49.43 | Titan8990 | greycat, similar to virtualbox and virtualbox-ose |
| 20:49.47 | zleap | ok |
| 20:49.54 | zleap | i thought chrome was OSS anyway |
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| 20:50.17 | zleap | never heard of chomium |
| 20:50.30 | Titan8990 | zleap, sounds like you didn't read the fairly restrictive EULA |
| 20:50.30 | greycat | Titan8990: chrome is still showing up as "windows only" when I go to their site |
| 20:50.48 | zleap | hmm, |
| 20:50.58 | Titan8990 | greycat, chrome for linux is still in beta and is available for download only in .deb form |
| 20:51.06 | macrobat | iirc "chrome" is the window with its decoration. "chromium" is the open source browser project "google-chrome" is the browser from google and "google-chrome-unstable" is the package name |
| 20:51.10 | silidan | hi, im running debian sid amd64 bit at the moment with 4 gig of ram, asfxload wont load soundfonts larger than i guess 128MB with the message out of memory altough asfxload -M reports about 512Mb of memory left... any workaround? |
| 20:51.11 | zleap | well i tried to install FF on a friends computer but IE had failed, so lucky chrome was installed |
| 20:51.16 | zleap | so i set that up instead |
| 20:51.41 | Titan8990 | greycat, ah, looks like they require you sign up now but i still have my copy from before that requirement :) |
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| 20:52.04 | greycat | silidan: maybe if anyone in this entire channel had a clue what "asfxload" is, someone might answer. Perhaps you can find a more specialized channel where people have heard of it. |
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| 20:52.11 | Titan8990 | ii google-chrome-unstable 4.0.220.1-r27713 The web browser from Google |
| 20:52.29 | sdm_9999 | hi guys |
| 20:52.36 | greycat | based on context, it sounds like it's "something to do with sounds". And "a" at the start might mean "ALSA", since this is a Linux-derived channel. So perhaps you could ask in an ALSA channel. |
| 20:52.51 | hatter_au | can i label a sata disk so that it always get /dev/sdb ? |
| 20:53.03 | silidan | yea alsa and lad are pretty silent :), and im only reposting because some ppl joined in... |
| 20:53.05 | sdm_9999 | wow hardcore linux talks |
| 20:53.06 | greycat | hatter_au: no. and believe me, I TRIED. |
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| 20:53.24 | silidan | so i just hope that i catch someone that has a clue about that |
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| 20:53.26 | module000 | hatter_au: the sd<identifier> is derived from the order the bios reports them in |
| 20:53.40 | module000 | hatter_au: so like greycat says...no. |
| 20:53.45 | simonrvn | Titan8990: chromium-browser 4.0.223.6~svn20091020r29510-0ubuntu1~ucd1 Chromium browser |
| 20:53.48 | sdm_9999 | anyways just heard bout this channel from bb05 |
| 20:54.05 | sdm_9999 | my first few days of using irc :) |
| 20:54.16 | greycat | module000: no, it's not BIOS related at all. It's determined by the order in which the Linux kernel finds the SCSI controllers. (Or SCSI-controller-analogues.) |
| 20:54.23 | Titan8990 | hatter243, possibly udev persistant rules... although it would likely be better to use the UUID of the drive instead of counting on the name to remain the same |
| 20:54.26 | simonrvn | Titan8990: found this ubuntu thing where a) it doesn't break the rest of my debian box b) has daily snapshot builds |
| 20:54.37 | hatter_au | then the best thing is to use UUID to refer to anything related the hard disks |
| 20:54.38 | macrobat | !hi |
| 20:54.38 | dpkg | hello, macrobat |
| 20:54.41 | greycat | module000: e.g. on my system, on Debian 4.0, the SATA disks were sda and sdb because Linux 2.6.18 found the onboard SATA controller first. |
| 20:54.44 | module000 | greycat: I thought it finds them based ont he order the bios reports them? |
| 20:54.56 | macrobat | !hi sdm_9999 |
| 20:54.57 | module000 | greycat: so it's the order the kernel searches for them? |
| 20:55.02 | greycat | module000: on Debian 5.0, SAME machine, the external SCSI disk array was sda, because it found the PCI SCSI controller before the onboard SATA controller. |
| 20:55.04 | abrotman | macrobat: stop doing that with the bot ... |
| 20:55.12 | simonrvn | hatter_au: usually yes, if the bootloader supports it |
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| 20:55.12 | abrotman | module000: order the module is probed |
| 20:55.28 | module000 | greycat: I see...i didn't know that, i was sure it was the BIOS. so kernel tampering would be necessary to change it? |
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| 20:55.41 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, chrome doesn't break the rest of my debian box... i have been counting has crashed 4 times in about a month and thats the only issues i have had |
| 20:55.45 | hatter_au | i want the 2 md devices to still work after i put a 3rd drive in |
| 20:55.53 | macrobat | ok, abrotman, i'll try to lern the commands in query |
| 20:56.04 | greycat | module000: if you only have one SATA/SCSI/etc. controller, then maybe the BIOS matters for determining the naming of disks within that single controller. I don't know. |
| 20:56.09 | simonrvn | Titan8990: *ium is about the same |
| 20:56.17 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, oddly enough one of those crashes was today while trying to access gmail |
| 20:56.50 | simonrvn | Titan8990: i have both installed, i like *ium better, not so um, branded ;) |
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| 20:57.13 | greycat | The major point here, though, is that once Linux has assigned a major/minor number pair to a device, that's that. If your disk is 8,0 then it's sda, and you can't rename it with udev. |
| 20:57.14 | sdm_9999 | what is ium? |
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| 20:58.01 | greycat | Apparently _only_ network interfaces can be renamed, and that's because they don't appear in /dev. |
| 20:58.04 | hark | dromer: it's like there's no touchpad at all |
| 20:58.04 | dromer | sdm_9999: they mean chromium |
| 20:58.20 | hatter_au | can mdadm be set to use UUID instead of /dev/sd? |
| 20:58.21 | simonrvn | greycat: pretty much yeh |
| 20:58.21 | dromer | hark: hmmm, weird, I'm very sure it should work! maybe it's this kernel? |
| 20:58.24 | hark | dromer: what does uname -r say? |
| 20:58.37 | sdm_9999 | oh ok thanks |
| 20:58.55 | dromer | hark: 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 20:59.20 | greycat | hatter_au: yes. |
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| 20:59.32 | sdm_9999 | is that chromium linux? |
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| 21:00.04 | greycat | hatter_au: you are supposed to put lines like this into your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file: |
| 21:00.08 | dromer | sdm_9999: chromium is the OSS of the Chrome Browser, and could technically be compiled to run on anything |
| 21:00.09 | greycat | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=12021f04:13d255ec:2025c88a:bc2959f8 |
| 21:00.30 | sdm_9999 | thanks dromer |
| 21:00.56 | hatter_au | greycat, yes they are there, |
| 21:01.00 | Upgreydd | hi all i have a question, is there a way to give one user in my server rights to "aptitude" or "apt-get" and force to install in his home directory? |
| 21:01.02 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 21:01.17 | hatter_au | but i just plugged in a 3rd sata drive and it got /dev/sdb and broke the array |
| 21:01.32 | greycat | Fascinating. chrome.google.com does NOT mention or link you to chromium in ANY WAY shape or form. |
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| 21:01.52 | greycat | If you click on the "learn more" thing on chrome.google.com you still get the same "give us your email address" form. |
| 21:01.52 | hark | Upgreydd: with sudo, but cannot with the home dir installs |
| 21:02.00 | zfxp | works for i |
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| 21:04.00 | Upgreydd | hark: he can compile when he write ./configure --prefix=$home but meybe is there a way for packages install in user accout? |
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| 21:07.16 | dromer | hark: hmmm, I should go to bed now, if you have any more ideas maybe in PM? thnx :) |
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| 21:11.13 | Frx | need some help if possible |
| 21:11.39 | Frx | heres the problem |
| 21:11.52 | Frx | im really not sure if i need to install stabel, testing, or unstable |
| 21:11.54 | hark | Upgreydd: dpkg has --root=dir option, but the package scripts still might make assumptions |
| 21:12.00 | Frx | some suggestions pls |
| 21:12.10 | Frx | testing is whats most used? |
| 21:12.16 | Vasistha | Frx: you should install stable |
| 21:12.17 | hark | Frx: stable is recommended here |
| 21:12.37 | Frx | hark : why not testing ? |
| 21:12.47 | Frx | squeeze is still very new? |
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| 21:12.49 | hark | because it breaks |
| 21:12.53 | Vasistha | !tell frx about testing |
| 21:13.17 | hark | no security support as well and other reasons |
| 21:13.20 | Frx | hark : what software would i be missing if i install stable ? |
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| 21:13.29 | abrotman | Frx: what software do you need? |
| 21:13.38 | Vasistha | frx: probably not any |
| 21:13.55 | abrotman | Frx: there are probably over 25,000 packages at this point .. we cannot possibly know which ones are missing |
| 21:13.58 | Frx | i remember when i had installed debian 4.0 i couldnt update firefox because i was running debian stable |
| 21:14.00 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats lenny |
| 21:14.09 | ultraj61 | how do i backup my debian system |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | Frx: update why? what was wrong with the one in etch? |
| 21:14.17 | ultraj61 | incase of a disaster |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | !tell ultraj61 about what to backup |
| 21:14.37 | themill | abrotman: other than no security support for it you mean? |
| 21:14.43 | Vasistha | does either debian-multimedia or backports keep an up-to-date (by mozilla's standards) firefox/iceweasel? |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59051 MB installed size, 20844 MB compressed size. |
| 21:14.58 | cyberwalk_rj-br | Hi .. does anyone know if i can redirect a VM to a certain TTY, like in the boot, the VM displays at the TTY2 ? |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | themill: i wouldn't so 'no' support |
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| 21:15.29 | Frx | abrotman : its not that its called , iceweasel, its just it doesnt have the features of the newer version |
| 21:15.36 | Frx | like private browsing for example |
| 21:15.37 | themill | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html |
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| 21:15.46 | ultraj61 | what software should i use? im only familiar with windows software such as ntbackup, veritas, ultrabac... |
| 21:15.52 | abrotman | themill: that was later .. after lenny was released |
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| 21:16.52 | ultraj61 | is rsync all i need? i want to make backup image on a tape drive |
| 21:16.58 | Frx | thats if we dont want to look at the security problems behind not updating |
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| 21:17.18 | abrotman | not updating to what? |
| 21:17.29 | abrotman | the debian-security backports security fixes |
| 21:17.49 | Frx | they enjoy seeing the system crash ? |
| 21:17.50 | Frx | abrotman : those who recommend testing, why would they ? |
| 21:18.02 | abrotman | Frx: because they may not know what they're takling about? |
| 21:18.07 | Frx | or then need software thats not found yet in the stable version ? |
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| 21:18.21 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 21:18.33 | Frx | i thought stable was just for servers |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:19.07 | abrotman | if anyone tells you that, you should probably ignore everything else they have said |
| 21:19.46 | ultraj61 | anyone use a tape drive with debian? |
| 21:20.09 | Frx | abrotman : so the good idea would to change to testing only after you know that very soon its google to be the stable release ? |
| 21:20.19 | Frx | going** |
| 21:20.22 | abrotman | Frx: or you feel that you can handle the parts that will break |
| 21:20.25 | thebloggu | when installing testing through netinstall i get som error about unicode mode and if i choose graphical installer a gtk error of some sort. after adding nopat to graphical installer nothing seems to be changed but if i add it to installer it works. problem is it stops in the middle because it says it cannot detect network hardware. i have an asus 1101ha |
| 21:20.56 | Frx | abrotman : if i want to upgrade to testing after installed stable , i can right? |
| 21:21.01 | abrotman | yes, of course |
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| 21:21.10 | Frx | but what if i want to upgrade from testing to the next stable version ? |
| 21:21.13 | Frx | that recommended ? |
| 21:21.14 | thebloggu | btw, i am installing through an usb drive |
| 21:21.19 | kale | what kernel is in unstable/testing installer? |
| 21:21.27 | Frx | or would it not be the same , as the fresh installation ? |
| 21:21.45 | abrotman | Frx: you track codenames .. like etch/lenny/squeeze |
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| 21:21.55 | abrotman | kale: probably .30 |
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| 21:22.16 | kale | abrotman: thats good, thanks |
| 21:22.29 | Frx | ok then |
| 21:22.46 | Frx | lets forget the weekly-builds |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | good plan |
| 21:23.15 | Frx | wait |
| 21:23.24 | abrotman | too late .. you decided! |
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| 21:23.40 | Frx | any other suggestions opposed to what abrotman suggested ? |
| 21:23.49 | abrotman | who dare oppose me!? |
| 21:23.51 | abrotman | runs |
| 21:24.23 | Vasistha | Frx: there are other people who do the same thing you want to do: use the latest firefox (3.5 or whatever). See http://glandium.org/blog/?p=406 as well as other posts on the same blog, http://glandium.org/blog/ |
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| 21:24.32 | abrotman | oh jeez ... |
| 21:25.04 | Vasistha | Frx: I would recommend this rather than using the testing distro generally. It's much easier to keep one "testing" package in a stable environment, than to have all your packages be "testing" quality |
| 21:25.44 | Frx | doesnt sound stable to me |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | Vasistha: except .. the packages you pointed him at are from experimental |
| 21:26.10 | lindenle | How can I enable all commands for sudo except su, so that I get a log of the commands run from sudo.... |
| 21:26.14 | Frx | i'll endup with a broken system im sure |
| 21:26.21 | valdyn | lindenle: not possible |
| 21:26.49 | lindenle | er what? |
| 21:26.56 | valdyn | lindenle: that is not possible |
| 21:27.00 | Vasistha | Frx: well, if you're convinved you're going to have a broken system, you probably will. But keeping a "testing" system is a much easier way to get to a broken system, than having one experimental package that you manage carefully. |
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| 21:27.03 | valdyn | lindenle: its a silly idea |
| 21:27.06 | Vasistha | *convinced |
| 21:27.13 | lindenle | why? |
| 21:27.16 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 21:27.20 | Vasistha | thebloggu: it ought to be possible to proceed with the installation without having the network configured. You'll then get your base system installed, and from there it would be easier to get the networking going. |
| 21:27.41 | valdyn | lindenle: because "all" encompasses plenty turing complete languages that can implement anything, including su |
| 21:27.41 | abrotman | Frx: lenny/stable has IW 3.0.x .. it works perfectly fine ... using packages from experimental can get extremely dicey |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | something Vasistha has completely omitted |
| 21:27.58 | thebloggu | Vasistha, I maybe wrong but I think the installer did not give me any choice |
| 21:28.03 | thebloggu | Vasistha, I will check |
| 21:28.15 | lindenle | valdyn: Ah I see, |
| 21:28.41 | Frx | the guy at glandium.org knows what s/he's doing |
| 21:28.46 | lindenle | valdyn: well is there a way to log all root commands? So that I can see who broke something if it happens? Like I look for who was root and then see the command? |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | Frx: that guy is the maintainer |
| 21:28.53 | valdyn | lindenle: but lets assume you are in an environment where people are basically trustworthy |
| 21:28.53 | Frx | taking pakages from testing that doenst have dep. from stable |
| 21:29.03 | lindenle | valdyn: im worried that my new admin may not know what he is doing.... |
| 21:29.09 | Frx | i wouldnt know how to do such things :S |
| 21:29.13 | lindenle | valdyn: they are... just want to keep track |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | then please dn't |
| 21:29.14 | valdyn | lindenle: but who may be using su for stupidity, so just move "su" away |
| 21:29.15 | abrotman | don't |
| 21:29.31 | lindenle | you mean replace the binary? |
| 21:29.34 | lindenle | valdyn ^^ |
| 21:29.37 | valdyn | lindenle: sure |
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| 21:29.46 | lindenle | valdyn: But i still need to use it.... |
| 21:29.47 | valdyn | lindenle: use dpkg-divert to move it away |
| 21:29.56 | abrotman | valdyn: don't you think that may break some init scripts ? |
| 21:29.57 | valdyn | lindenle: a rename would do |
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| 21:30.02 | lindenle | yes |
| 21:30.03 | valdyn | abrotman: uh |
| 21:30.07 | valdyn | abrotman: sure |
| 21:30.10 | simonrvn | it would |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | just checking ... |
| 21:30.20 | lindenle | well that would be bad |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | lindenle: the key is to *never* reboot |
| 21:30.35 | lindenle | ha ha! |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | or restart any thing .. |
| 21:30.41 | lindenle | mostly true around here.... |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | or shutdown, change run levels .. |
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| 21:30.45 | lindenle | love debian! |
| 21:31.16 | Frx | abrotman : is there any way to install "something" without effecting the whole system |
| 21:31.17 | valdyn | lindenle: guess you want a su that logs |
| 21:31.18 | lindenle | I guess I could just tell them to always use sudo |
| 21:31.23 | Frx | like for example not using apt to install it |
| 21:31.23 | lindenle | yes |
| 21:31.27 | valdyn | Frx: sure |
| 21:31.32 | abrotman | Frx: yes, there is .. you can install it in your own $HOME |
| 21:31.32 | Frx | installing something from source |
| 21:31.36 | thebloggu | Vasistha, as I thought it says it cant recognize ethernet i choose continue and then an error message appears saying an installation step failed and that it was detecting network hardware |
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| 21:31.40 | simonrvn | a wrapper script, bascially allowing it, but telling people a reminder not to act stupid, and only if it's certain users/uidnumbers; would have to be a compiled binary though. |
| 21:31.42 | Frx | and its dep. also by source |
| 21:32.04 | valdyn | Frx: yes sure |
| 21:32.12 | Vasistha | thebloggu: is that the screen you're looking at now? |
| 21:32.15 | simonrvn | though that's also probably stupid ;P |
| 21:32.18 | valdyn | Frx: youre not restricted in any way |
| 21:32.20 | thebloggu | yes |
| 21:32.25 | thebloggu | Vasistha, yes |
| 21:32.25 | Frx | great |
| 21:32.51 | Frx | valdyn : but hows the software that needs its dep. going to know that i installed it from source ? |
| 21:33.30 | lindenle | SYSLOG_SU_ENAB |
| 21:33.31 | valdyn | Frx: youre confusing things |
| 21:33.33 | lindenle | tada! |
| 21:33.49 | Vasistha | thebloggu: Okay... I'm not exactly sure what you're looking at, however what I do know is this: you need to get the installation process started again, and select the option to "Do not configure the network at this time" or "Leave the network unconfigured" or some such, and then proceed with the installation, without a network connection |
| 21:33.54 | valdyn | Frx: if some debian package depends on your source installed stuff, then you are affecting the whole system |
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| 21:34.36 | valdyn | Frx: thats a bad idea generally ( exceptions exist, sure ) |
| 21:35.10 | Frx | like an application that depends on nothing else for exmaple :P |
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| 21:35.31 | valdyn | Frx: uh? you mean "like an application that nothing depends on |
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| 21:35.54 | Frx | no,that depends on nothing else |
| 21:35.55 | stew | Frx: is there a good reason to install it from source and not use a debian package to do it? |
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| 21:36.19 | Frx | stew : no debian package for it in stable |
| 21:36.20 | valdyn | Frx: it doesnt "know" that depends are there or that they are not. It will not run or compile without those depends |
| 21:36.43 | stew | Frx: is there a package for it in testing or unstable? |
| 21:36.43 | thebloggu | Vasistha, there is no such option. i choose my language, my keyboard layout and then it searches my hardrive for an iso (which it does not find, if it matters) and jumps on to network configuration. it says it cant find ethernet, i select continue e the error message appears |
| 21:36.49 | Frx | yes, that the problem valdyn |
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| 21:37.05 | Frx | stew : we are giving exmaples only |
| 21:37.10 | Vasistha | thebloggu: ohh, you must be using the business card cd or some such |
| 21:37.13 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 21:37.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 21:37.32 | stew | Frx: then install a debian package |
| 21:37.49 | thebloggu | Vasistha, yes, netinstall in an usb drive |
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| 21:38.06 | stew | Frx: you have to install a debian package to satisfy the dependencies of some other package that depends on this software. we'd recommend a backport, typically. This can be done with a dummy package which can be created using equivs alternatively |
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| 21:39.07 | Vasistha | thebloggu: and it is the 40 MB netinstall image, not the 180 MB netinstall, correct? Because the 180 MB netinstall ought to be able to install a base system without a network connection, whereas the 40 MB netinstall cannot. |
| 21:39.10 | Frx | valdyn : lets say X depends on Y1.1 to run but stable has Y1,0. can i install Y1.1 from srouce and "tell" X were to find it ? |
| 21:39.26 | thebloggu | Vasistha, it is the 180mb, oddly |
| 21:39.28 | benedikt | Is it decided what gnome version (or any other package version) will be released with squeeze when it becomes stable? |
| 21:39.31 | Frx | hope that was clear |
| 21:39.34 | valdyn | Frx: sure, dpkg-equivs |
| 21:39.39 | stew | Frx: install a Y1.1 package, that you create or that you backport from testing or unstable |
| 21:39.47 | valdyn | Frx: usually thats the worst way to do it though |
| 21:40.17 | Vasistha | thebloggu: okay, then ... it sounds like something is going wrong locating the iso -- the iso is on the usb drive, I guess? That can be a tricky problem. I did this once years ago, and I remember it was tricky. |
| 21:40.18 | Frx | perfect |
| 21:40.22 | Frx | so no need for testing |
| 21:40.25 | Frx | stable all the way. |
| 21:40.27 | Frx | cheers. |
| 21:40.34 | stew | Frx: this isn't perfect |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | benedikt: i haven't seen anything yet, and they still have a few months .. wasn't there just a release like two weeks ago ? |
| 21:40.46 | thebloggu | Vasistha, correct, in the root |
| 21:40.48 | valdyn | Frx: thats silly |
| 21:40.58 | valdyn | Frx: working around testing by using upstream sources is silly |
| 21:41.15 | benedikt | abrotman: gnome 2.28 is the latest stable. Means that a new ubuntu is released a month after with the latest stable gnome. |
| 21:41.35 | benedikt | Im trying to decide if i should switch to debian stable on my laptop (from ubuntu). I h aving a hard time deciding |
| 21:41.37 | Frx | valdyn : didnt you just stay there was a solution ?! |
| 21:41.41 | Frx | what happend ! |
| 21:41.49 | valdyn | Frx: i also said that that is the worst way to do it |
| 21:41.56 | Vasistha | thebloggu: I guess you need to backtrack a little and get it to locate that iso on the flash drive. I'm not sure how to get it to do that, but that's what needs to happen. Alternately, you could copy the iso onto the hard drive, even into e.g. an ntfs partition if that's all you've got. I believe the iso has to be in the root directory also -- it cannot be in a folder hierarchy. |
| 21:42.32 | valdyn | benedikt: why would you switch at all? |
| 21:42.33 | Frx | valdyn:what about backports, that safe? |
| 21:42.42 | valdyn | Frx: sure |
| 21:42.46 | Vasistha | thebloggu: oh, that may be what's biting you-- on the usb drive as well, the iso would need to be in '/', not inside any directory. |
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| 21:42.51 | benedikt | valdyn: some things with ubuntu that annoy me |
| 21:42.53 | stew | Frx: do you want the solution that we recommend, or do you just want us to tell you that the way you are doing it, which we don't recommend, would work? |
| 21:42.58 | valdyn | benedikt: like what? |
| 21:42.58 | themill | Frx: you are working with hypothetical situation and now everyone is confused about what you're trying to achieve because you don't know yourself. Just install stable and then when or if you have a specific bit thing that you are trying to achieve, come and ask then. |
| 21:43.06 | thebloggu | Vasistha, no matter what partiotion? |
| 21:43.09 | Vasistha | thebloggu: also, I believe it has to have a standard name... if you named the iso something different than the default name, it may not work |
| 21:43.24 | Frx | stew : im not doing anything atm, im looking for THE solution. |
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| 21:43.42 | valdyn | Frx: there is not THE solution |
| 21:43.47 | Vasistha | thebloggu: If I recall correctly -- and if it has not changed since then -- then yes, regardless of the partition, it must be in the root directory. |
| 21:43.47 | simonrvn | thebloggu: this is covered in the installation guide *hint* (what Vasistha is saying) |
| 21:43.48 | stew | Frx: it is to install a debian package of y1.1 |
| 21:44.01 | benedikt | valdyn: too bleeding edge, some bugs that affect me.. |
| 21:44.04 | Frx | stew:thus knowing what release to install |
| 21:44.08 | Frx | testing or stable.. |
| 21:44.21 | stew | Frx: install stable |
| 21:44.35 | simonrvn | !timtowtdi |
| 21:44.35 | dpkg | timtowtdi is probably There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
| 21:44.37 | Vasistha | thebloggu: yeah, listen to simonrvn, I'm sure the installation guide will give you better advice than my flaky memory of something I did 3 years ago ;) |
| 21:44.57 | thebloggu | Vasistha, :P |
| 21:45.02 | Rienzilla | hmm guys |
| 21:45.02 | simonrvn | Vasistha: you were spot on though (not sure of the usb thingy, but the rest yes) |
| 21:45.05 | Frx | stew: i shit you not! thats what im going to do. |
| 21:45.30 | valdyn | benedikt: thats very vague, i cannot give you advice if you use such vague description if problems that may or may not be easy to fix and may or may not fixed by switching to debian |
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| 21:45.41 | Rienzilla | where does debian remember the names of its network interfaces, when /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is empty, and not being regenerated on reboot? |
| 21:45.55 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I recall I had to install from a hard disk image, on my old lappy with a broken cd-rom and no usb boot. Of course the first thing I did was save the netinst.iso with a different name in a folder several levels deep. |
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| 21:46.43 | Frx | well, thanks for the help. |
| 21:46.50 | Frx | later, |
| 21:47.07 | Vasistha | Frx: good luck |
| 21:47.10 | benedikt | valdyn: inhibit-applet stopped working with ubuntu karmic. and i feel like ubuntu is forcing non-free software on me, e.g. ubuntu one, flash player. |
| 21:47.15 | lontra` | my points on a graph that I created in R and saved as a pdf, are showing up in evince as a "q" |
| 21:47.20 | valdyn | Rienzilla: does /lib/75-persistent-net-generator.rules exist? |
| 21:47.39 | valdyn | benedikt: im sure you can just remove the flash package |
| 21:47.40 | Vasistha | r=q, nooooo! |
| 21:47.49 | Vasistha | okay, time to go |
| 21:47.50 | valdyn | benedikt: and install a free alternative from universe |
| 21:47.56 | Vasistha | thebloggu: good luck! |
| 21:48.05 | benedikt | valdyn: of corse i can. but ubuntu is still trying to force it on me by default. |
| 21:48.09 | thebloggu | Vasistha, it couldnt find the iso (and i think the name remains the same). btw, it's on a ntfs partition |
| 21:48.13 | simonrvn | oh damn, was going to reply... |
| 21:48.15 | Rienzilla | let me check |
| 21:48.40 | lontra` | ok .. anyone have any really ideas? |
| 21:48.44 | simonrvn | thebloggu: shouldn't matter, as long as it's at the top, it'll be ok |
| 21:48.45 | lontra` | s really/real |
| 21:48.48 | Rienzilla | valdyn: yes |
| 21:48.56 | valdyn | Rienzilla: uname -r |
| 21:49.06 | Rienzilla | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:49.25 | simonrvn | lontra`: shouldn't they all be capital rs? :P |
| 21:49.38 | valdyn | Rienzilla: so youre on squeeze or sid and using a lenny kernel |
| 21:49.42 | simonrvn | couldn't resist |
| 21:49.44 | valdyn | Rienzilla: i dont acutally know if that is still ok |
| 21:50.10 | Rienzilla | no I'm on lenny |
| 21:50.13 | thebloggu | simonrvn, debian-503-i386-netinst is it right? (btw, where is the installation guide? i cant find the netinstall part) |
| 21:50.33 | Rienzilla | i'm staying away from testing and unstable |
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| 21:50.41 | simonrvn | if it's a .30 kernel, even a .26 is ok, except udev will complain - and might do worse, i didn't have the machine booted long enough on a .26 to see. |
| 21:50.44 | benedikt | thebloggu: looks rigjht |
| 21:50.46 | valdyn | Rienzilla: wrong |
| 21:50.47 | benedikt | -j |
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| 21:50.57 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 21:50.57 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 21:50.58 | Rienzilla | valdyn: ? |
| 21:50.59 | valdyn | Rienzilla: dpkg -l udev |
| 21:51.21 | benedikt | has deian depricated hal? |
| 21:51.21 | simonrvn | thebloggu: the name as you got it from the mirror |
| 21:51.42 | simonrvn | won't bother correcting that... |
| 21:51.56 | Rienzilla | ii 0.125-7+lenny3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 21:52.19 | Rienzilla | waiut sorry |
| 21:52.27 | valdyn | Rienzilla: the file I asked you about does not exist in that package |
| 21:52.31 | Rienzilla | I answered wrong |
| 21:52.32 | Rienzilla | sorry |
| 21:52.50 | thebloggu | well since i downloaded two with the same name at the same time (by mistake) it downloaded with an extra (1) which i removed after but i dont think it is the problem. |
| 21:53.05 | Rienzilla | /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules exists |
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| 21:53.13 | Rienzilla | it's not inj /lib, I overread that |
| 21:53.20 | valdyn | Rienzilla: ok |
| 21:53.35 | valdyn | Rienzilla: can you hotplug that nic? |
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| 21:53.43 | Rienzilla | how do I do that/ |
| 21:53.57 | valdyn | Rienzilla: if its usb or pcmcia or cardbus, that should be obvious |
| 21:54.03 | Rienzilla | no it's a VM |
| 21:54.05 | valdyn | Rienzilla: if its built in, then you cant |
| 21:54.14 | Rienzilla | so as far as debian is concerned, I can't |
| 21:54.30 | simonrvn | thebloggu: no that should matter. did you check the checksums? |
| 21:54.39 | Rienzilla | I could change the MAC's and see if it regenerated the names then |
| 21:54.44 | simonrvn | thebloggu: er shouldn't* |
| 21:54.59 | Rienzilla | I just wonder where these names are stored if the rules in /etc/udev are gone |
| 21:55.16 | valdyn | Rienzilla: nowhere |
| 21:55.18 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: if you obliterate the rules, they aren't stored. udev is responsible for device naming |
| 21:55.27 | simonrvn | in memory, in the .db file |
| 21:55.41 | simonrvn | until it gets restarted ;) |
| 21:55.54 | phogg | and then what? screwed? |
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| 21:56.07 | Rienzilla | then why will it give the NIC's names which are none-default (i.e. not ethX) |
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| 21:56.37 | valdyn | Rienzilla: there is or was seperate tools to rename devices |
| 21:56.39 | simonrvn | i think udev Does The Right Thing until the box reboots, i.e. not remove device files |
| 21:56.54 | Rienzilla | this was after a reboot |
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| 21:57.09 | valdyn | Rienzilla: so you are saying that devices are being renamed by something else than udev? |
| 21:57.10 | Rienzilla | so the info must have been stored somewhere on disk |
| 21:57.22 | thebloggu | simonrvn, no, how can i do it? |
| 21:57.31 | simonrvn | then you cd /dev; MAKEDEV like normal people :P |
| 21:57.43 | simonrvn | thebloggu: what? |
| 21:57.49 | valdyn | Rienzilla: who installed that vm? |
| 21:57.56 | thebloggu | simonrvn, checksum |
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| 21:58.24 | simonrvn | oh, the install guide tells you how ;) |
| 21:58.44 | simonrvn | (it's easy) |
| 21:59.10 | Rienzilla | no, what I'm saying is this. I changed the names of the devices from the default (eth0 and eth1) to a custom string (private and public) by modifying /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. After a reboot the devices would be named ' public' and 'private' accordingly. The I decided to rename them again, by modifying the same file again, but this time after the reboot the interface name did not change. then I decided to empty the file, reboot again, |
| 21:59.17 | Rienzilla | I installed that VM |
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| 22:00.36 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: if the names didn't change, then that generally means that the specfier wasn't correct |
| 22:01.05 | Rienzilla | but after I empty /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, how can udev still know the old names I once gave the interfaces? |
| 22:01.29 | valdyn | Rienzilla: its not really empty ? |
| 22:01.34 | valdyn | Rienzilla: udev cant know |
| 22:01.44 | Rienzilla | it is! It only has #-comments |
| 22:02.03 | Rienzilla | that's why i'm baffled |
| 22:02.28 | valdyn | Rienzilla: show us both files, the generator and the "empty" file |
| 22:02.47 | simonrvn | there's something to the net and sme other rules that do persist, not exactly sure how.... |
| 22:02.54 | thebloggu | simonrvn, yes, it matches |
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| 22:04.27 | simonrvn | thebloggu: ok |
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| 22:05.28 | Rienzilla | http://www.pastebin.ca/1633800 |
| 22:05.59 | Rienzilla | well, the real problem has been resolved now. I changed the MAC of the interfaces, and now new rules were created |
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| 22:08.41 | Rienzilla | but I really wonder what caused this |
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| 22:09.44 | thebloggu | simonrvn, what should i do know? |
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| 22:10.23 | simonrvn | thebloggu: try again. reboot it then it'll take you back to where you were at. |
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| 22:10.38 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 22:10.39 | ZenWalker | debian:~# modprobe firewire-ohci |
| 22:10.42 | ZenWalker | FATAL: Module firewire_ohci not found. |
| 22:10.44 | mac345 | hi, how do i give my box a static ip? |
| 22:10.46 | ZenWalker | ¿? |
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| 22:11.21 | valdyn | ZenWalker: uname -r |
| 22:11.23 | simonrvn | ZenWalker: modprobe -l | grep ohci |
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| 22:13.05 | themill | ohci1394 is more likely |
| 22:13.44 | thebloggu | simonrvn, tried a fat32 partion, a ntfs partition, an extra usb drive. nothing seems to work |
| 22:14.07 | simonrvn | thebloggu: how weird |
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| 22:14.12 | hark | ZenWalker: modprobe firmware-ohci? |
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| 22:18.13 | hark | ZenWalker: eh, i completely misread that. what does uname -r say? |
| 22:18.24 | elli222 | Hi, which is better, Apcupsd or NUT? Im looking for something to support multiple UPS's |
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| 22:19.50 | force | hi, how can I send a binary email attachment from the command line without using uuencode? |
| 22:20.10 | force | eg. a tar file that I need to attach to an email |
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| 22:20.23 | simonrvn | mutt's -a |
| 22:20.33 | force | if the system doesn't have mutt? |
| 22:20.50 | simonrvn | mail(x) |
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| 22:21.40 | km | i try to install openssl, and i get an error code 1. any ideas? |
| 22:21.56 | force | could you give me an example with mailx? |
| 22:23.00 | thebloggu | simonrvn, followed the installation guide and so far nothing. any ideas? |
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| 22:23.45 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 22:24.48 | simonrvn | thebloggu: gimme a sec to think |
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| 22:27.09 | simonrvn | force: my bad, mailx doesn't do attachments |
| 22:27.49 | factran | Hello ! I want to redirect http://localhost:9099 to something like http://music.localhost . Is it easily possible ? |
| 22:29.03 | simonrvn | thebloggu: is the cdrom some sort of odd sata thing? |
| 22:29.15 | simonrvn | thebloggu: erm, sorry, the hdd |
| 22:29.26 | stew | factran: what exactly do you mean by redirect. there are lots of ways to do what you want to do |
| 22:29.56 | stew | factran: you could send a 301, a 302, a javascript redirect, a port forward, etc |
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| 22:30.18 | factran | stew: http://localhost:9099 is the way to access a web based mpd client. |
| 22:30.33 | factran | in python, but that's better if I don't touch it. |
| 22:30.37 | force | i found a nice perl command line mime attachment script |
| 22:30.38 | force | :) |
| 22:30.38 | force | ta |
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| 22:31.06 | factran | i want to be able to access in my brower via http://music.localhost |
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| 22:31.18 | factran | or localhost/music, if it's more easy |
| 22:32.09 | factran | stew: port forward seems the most interesting, I do that via ssh ? |
| 22:32.23 | simonrvn | thebloggu: no clue dude. sorry. ask the debian-user mailing list |
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| 22:40.26 | chellomere | hello |
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| 22:44.27 | kury- | Why wouldn't I be able to apt-get install openssh-server on a new debian install? I get "E: Package openssh-server has no installation candidate |
| 22:44.27 | kury- | " |
| 22:45.03 | dondelelcaro | kury-: standard reason is that you haven't set up your sources properly |
| 22:45.22 | Andorin | Hi, guys. My Mute keyboard shortcut has stopped working, even when I assign the shortcut to a different pair of keys. |
| 22:45.28 | dondelelcaro | (or you aren't actually running Debian, or you've installed a really old version) |
| 22:45.51 | chellomere | I have an nfs share mounted, which isn't available anymore, and mount refuses to unmount it, claiming it is busy. I don't think so, tho lsof never returns, as it, as other programs, hang indefinitely when trying to stat it. |
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| 22:46.08 | kury- | dondelelcaro: it was a V503 net install. Can I still setup my sources after the install or do I need to reinstall? |
| 22:46.18 | jollyrolly | wget openssh.tar.gz |
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| 22:46.36 | dondelelcaro | kury-: sure, you can set them up after install |
| 22:46.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell kury- -about sources.list |
| 22:46.46 | chellomere | as I have this share in my gtk bookmarks, basically all gtk apps act up. can I force the nfs share to be unmounted in some way? |
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| 22:47.03 | Shockc0re | debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso or debian-503-i386-netinst.iso for XEON cpu ? |
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| 22:47.07 | Shockc0re | or anything else? |
| 22:47.13 | Kuifje111 | kury-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | Shockc0re: depends on which xeon, but generally, you want amd64 |
| 22:47.19 | Andorin | Hi, guys. My Mute keyboard shortcut has stopped working, even when I assign the shortcut to a different pair of keys. |
| 22:47.34 | kury- | Shockc0re: sparc |
| 22:47.46 | Shockc0re | amd64 gave unable to boot - please use a kernal appropriate to your cpu |
| 22:48.05 | dondelelcaro | Shockc0re: what is the precise model of cpu that you have? |
| 22:48.28 | chellomere | Shockc0re, ONLY ia64 if it is an itanium processor, amd64 if it is a 64-bit x86 one, otherwise i386 |
| 22:48.33 | abrotman | i doubt he wants ia53 at all |
| 22:48.36 | abrotman | ia64 |
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| 22:48.43 | chellomere | right, he would know if he did |
| 22:48.57 | jschoolcraft | Why would a fresh slice installed with lenny not have sudo? |
| 22:49.06 | dondelelcaro | jschoolcraft: because it's not installed by default. |
| 22:49.14 | dondelelcaro | yeah, if you didn't pay more than 5K for the machine, it's probably not IA64 |
| 22:49.24 | chellomere | jschoolcraft, Priority: optional |
| 22:49.28 | Shockc0re | ia64 dosent even boots |
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| 22:49.29 | jschoolcraft | dondelelcaro: so what package installs it, apt-cache search isn't there |
| 22:49.31 | abrotman | jschoolcraft: because it's not installed or configured .. install it if you want it |
| 22:49.32 | Shockc0re | amd64 kernel wrong |
| 22:49.36 | Shockc0re | so i guess i386 ? |
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| 22:49.41 | Shockc0re | will it support 6gb ram |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | jschoolcraft: sudo .. oddly |
| 22:49.43 | jschoolcraft | not, isn't there, sudo isn't an installable package. |
| 22:49.59 | abrotman | jschoolcraft: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:50.03 | dondelelcaro | jschoolcraft: sudo is the name of the package; if you can't install it, then you don't have your sources.list configured properly, or you're not running Debian. |
| 22:50.04 | jollyrolly | su |
| 22:50.04 | chellomere | Shockc0re, probably. and yes it will, if you install an i386 kernel supporting PAE |
| 22:50.11 | abrotman | Shockc0re: either i386 or amd64 can support 6GB |
| 22:50.12 | jschoolcraft | abrotman: nevermind, just reupdated after adding stable |
| 22:50.22 | Andorin | Hi, guys. My Mute keyboard shortcut has stopped working, even when I assign the shortcut to a different pair of keys. |
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| 22:50.34 | Shockc0re | abrotman ia64 dosent support 6gb ram ? |
| 22:50.35 | dondelelcaro | Andorin: please don't repeat. If no one answers, no one knows. |
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| 22:50.45 | dondelelcaro | Shockc0re: it supports quite a bit more than that |
| 22:50.47 | jelly-home | Shockc0re: if it's a P4 Xeon, it won't have 64bit support. |
| 22:50.50 | chellomere | Shockc0re, it does, but that's irrelevant |
| 22:50.51 | abrotman | Shockc0re: you want *nothing* to do with ia64 .. it's not for you |
| 22:51.15 | Andorin | dondelelcaro: The only reason I'm repeating is because something was screwing up with my connection. The moment I said something in here, all traffic in freenode died and I had to restart xchat several times. |
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| 22:51.23 | Andorin | So I'm sorry if you see it as mindless spam; I was attempting to make sure I could actually view any responses that anyone had for me. |
| 22:51.31 | Shockc0re | i see |
| 22:51.45 | Shockc0re | is there some tools that can tell you which arch you need depending on CPU lollll |
| 22:51.49 | Shockc0re | this is kinda a bit stupid imho |
| 22:51.50 | jelly-home | Shockc0re: if an amd64 kernel told you it didn't support you system, you'll have to install i386 debian. Then install and use a -686-bigmem kernel afterwards |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | Shockc0re: we've told you multiple times |
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| 22:52.42 | Shockc0re | jelly-home yeah ok -686-bigmem i know abouyt :P |
| 22:52.51 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 22:52.51 | Shockc0re | abrotman ? |
| 22:53.13 | jelly-home | Shockc0re: sorry, what does :P stand for? |
| 22:53.26 | Shockc0re | mean thanks |
| 22:53.29 | simonrvn | new vim command |
| 22:53.33 | jelly-home | oh, you're welcome |
| 22:53.50 | chellomere | :P would be a userdefined vim command |
| 22:54.28 | chellomere | those begin with a capital |
| 22:54.58 | Shockc0re | !amd64 |
| 22:54.58 | dpkg | amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 22:55.08 | Shockc0re | but its confusing to call it amd64... |
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| 22:55.57 | chellomere | !why amd64 |
| 22:55.57 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 22:56.26 | themill | Shockc0re: is it confusing to run i386 on old AMD processors? |
| 22:56.47 | jelly-home | all the 486 I ever saw were amd... |
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| 22:57.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: i could ship you the intel in my closet :) |
| 22:57.35 | Shockc0re | EMT64 oh |
| 22:57.43 | Shockc0re | that i know :p |
| 22:58.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm out of the cpu-on-the-keychain phase |
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| 22:58.22 | Shockc0re | thanks everyone |
| 22:58.27 | chellomere | I have a 33mhz 486 overdrive. it's mad. |
| 22:58.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: it still works .. no need to put it on a keychain |
| 22:58.43 | Shockc0re | hehe |
| 22:58.55 | Shockc0re | i want an i7 with 6gb ram and a SSD :) |
| 22:58.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: I can't understand that sentence |
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| 22:59.11 | chellomere | (meaning it's an upgrade for a 16mhz system which still has a 16mhz bus) |
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| 22:59.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's still functional .. why would you put it on a keychain ? |
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| 22:59.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're talking complete nonsense now! |
| 22:59.34 | hark | it's all confusing |
| 22:59.47 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:00.23 | hark | !qotd230 |
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| 23:00.23 | dpkg | <SkyDreamer> i'm still laughing at my first attempt <SkyDreamer> i downloaded for 3 days <SkyDreamer> 4 dvd images <SkyDreamer> and to find out there for another machine type :)) <SkyDreamer> thinking alpha is pre-beta or smth |
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| 23:00.54 | valdyn | damn |
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| 23:01.24 | little_owl | Does GRUB support USB keyboards? In my case it doesn't work ....:'( |
| 23:02.00 | jelly-home | little_owl: worksforme, does your bios support legacy usb input somethings? |
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| 23:03.08 | little_owl | Thanks for hint! It is a one year old laptop, so it should be supported ..... |
| 23:03.08 | apt | little_owl: no problem |
| 23:04.02 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 23:04.03 | dpkg | <mxldr> how do i get lenny to watch DVD's <mxldr> i just want to watch DVD's. I don't care about free-speachsoftware or the manatees or anything |
| 23:04.15 | benedikt | If i have backed / up, and a disk rashes. Is it then possible to just copy the backup to a new disk, run grub-install and boot away? |
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| 23:04.31 | jelly-home | noone cares for manatees :-( |
| 23:04.44 | themill | glares at apt |
| 23:04.46 | CharlyCoste | yes I care |
| 23:05.06 | CharlyCoste | but I don't see the relationship with Debian |
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| 23:08.29 | chellomere | benedikt, yes. |
| 23:08.43 | chellomere | and nite. |
| 23:08.51 | benedikt | good night |
| 23:09.18 | sway | free-speachsoftware |
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| 23:16.24 | thebloggu | simonrvn, no, it's a regular disk I am using 1101ha |
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| 23:17.02 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 23:19.03 | Joelito | hi all, a question...is there another front-ends like file-roller, xarchiver in debian's repo.? |
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| 23:20.52 | themill | Joelito: many: ark, mc, ... "debtags search works-with-format::zip" might be useful |
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| 23:22.27 | Joelito | themill: oh, because aptitude returns a lot of stuff ¬¬ |
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| 23:22.30 | thebloggu | simonrvn, it's a 160gb 5400 rpm sata drive |
| 23:23.52 | benedikt | does debian use selinux or apparmor by default? |
| 23:24.26 | markybob | benedikt, no |
| 23:24.34 | benedikt | markybob: neither? |
| 23:24.54 | jelly-home | benedikt: correct |
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| 23:26.31 | benedikt | did some quick googling. any reasoning behind this? |
| 23:26.51 | gnarface | benedikt: because it breaks shit |
| 23:27.30 | benedikt | selinux tends to do it. app armor is much nicer. |
| 23:27.50 | benedikt | selinux has a nasty habit of trying to be everywhere. |
| 23:27.59 | gnarface | but a properly configured system should not need either |
| 23:28.14 | jelly-home | noone has a properly confogured system |
| 23:28.30 | gnarface | well that's why it's on by default in redhat enterprise, i would assume |
| 23:28.30 | blizzow1 | I have a b0rked package (openoffice.org-gcj), when I try and remove the package, I get a window saying: |
| 23:28.30 | blizzow1 | "E: openoffice.org-gcj: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should" |
| 23:28.40 | benedikt | what about bind then. seems to be a general rule of thumb to secure it with selinux/apparmor |
| 23:28.53 | blizzow1 | does anyone know how I might be able to fix my very bad inconsistent state? |
| 23:29.04 | themill | blizzow1: did you do what apt told you to do? |
| 23:29.05 | gnarface | i would secure bind by putting it on another machine |
| 23:29.13 | jelly-home | blizzow1: reinstall the package, as the rest of the message tell you? |
| 23:29.13 | simonrvn | thebloggu: might need to put it in "compat mode" perhaps, at least for now. |
| 23:29.27 | mee | blizzow1: what does it say after 'you should' ? |
| 23:29.31 | thebloggu | simonrvn, what do you mean? sorry |
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| 23:29.31 | benedikt | gnarface: do you know what the risks are with bind? (because i dont) |
| 23:29.32 | blizzow1 | themill: that's all it says. |
| 23:29.59 | benedikt | blizzow1: no, it comes with a hint about what to do. it usually fixes things. |
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| 23:30.05 | jelly-home | benedikt: use a DNS server with decent security history instead, if you care about security? |
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| 23:30.23 | simonrvn | thebloggu: sata drives have some switch on them. i'm not familiar with what it is exactly. others here can help you with that. |
| 23:30.30 | benedikt | jelly-home: i asked what was wrong with bind, not what i should use instead of bind. |
| 23:30.30 | blizzow1 | benedikt: it doesn't say anything after "...you should" |
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| 23:31.05 | themill | blizzow1: what particular "it" are we talking about here? |
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| 23:31.12 | blizzow1 | synaptic |
| 23:31.44 | themill | blizzow1: run "aptitude -f install" and read its output carefully. |
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| 23:31.50 | jelly-home | benedikt: that's it for me, it has a history of security issues |
| 23:32.17 | thebloggu | simonrvn, if you mean a physical switch, it hasn't or at least I can't reach it. it's a laptop |
| 23:32.28 | simonrvn | thebloggu: oh :/ |
| 23:32.39 | benedikt | sata drives dont have switches. |
| 23:32.46 | gnarface | benedikt: with any software you install that answers to arbitrary network traffic, the risk is that someone might find an exploit in said software and be able to execute arbitrary code as the user running that software. don't run shit as root or chmod 777 your damned filesystem and make sure to keep your software up-to-date you should need selinux |
| 23:33.03 | gnarface | shouldn't |
| 23:33.04 | jelly-home | benedikt: it also handles load much worse than say djbdns (tinydns + dnscache + axfrdns) |
| 23:33.09 | gnarface | i meant to say shouldn't |
| 23:33.29 | benedikt | gnarface: so you think it is ok to run bind without selinux or to chroot it? |
| 23:33.31 | simonrvn | jelly-home: what do you run at home? |
| 23:33.55 | winter | abemus papa |
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| 23:34.13 | jelly-home | simonrvn: there's just one machine, no local domain. |
| 23:34.22 | blizzow1 | themill: I tried running aptitude -f install and got the following http://pastebin.com/ded56c1a |
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| 23:34.40 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ok |
| 23:34.57 | abrotman | winter: will you please stop speaking gibberish in the channel |
| 23:34.58 | jelly-home | simonrvn: (currently running pdnsd but I don't recommend it) |
| 23:35.21 | simonrvn | i've tried pdnsd, it isn't so hot |
| 23:35.22 | thebloggu | simonrvn, anyway thank you very much for your help |
| 23:35.30 | simonrvn | thebloggu: good luck |
| 23:35.55 | thebloggu | thank you |
| 23:36.19 | winter | operator lama |
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| 23:36.30 | blizzow1 | trying aptitude purge says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" Full output at http://pastebin.com/d27faa71e. |
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| 23:36.40 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | winter: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please learn to control your IRC client. |
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| 23:37.02 | gnarface | benedikt: i think that selinux is a pain in the ass and is not itself any more implicitly secure than any other program running on a system. chroot does not add enough security to be worth the trouble on it's own. i think if your impulse is to chroot bind for security you should look into the linux-vserver kernel, which can make you virtual hosts that employ chroot along with a number of other kernel-level security measures that might make it worth the |
| 23:37.03 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.03 | Mr_Bunny_ | How do I check mail on a shelless account from the command line? The file exists, but when I su -m to the user, it says there is no mail. |
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| 23:38.33 | Mr_Bunny_ | Oh, I thought -f was for where it would move the files, sorry. |
| 23:38.46 | jelly-home | simonrvn: it's well integrated with resolvconf, but not as well as it could be, and it sometimes breaks. I can't be arsed to do dnscache / resolvconf intergration though |
| 23:39.21 | gnarface | markybob: what is your opinion about selinux? |
| 23:39.32 | simonrvn | i hate resolvconf |
| 23:39.33 | benedikt | gnarface: i have been wondering if i should switch my personal server from ubuntu to debian. I cant decide. Ubuntu uses apparmor, wich I think is very nice. And as I said, I dont know what the risks with bind are. Ubuntu uses an apparmor profile for bind by default though. |
| 23:39.41 | benedikt | gnarface: and i agree. selinux is a pain in the ass. |
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| 23:44.09 | dondelelcaro | benedikt: apparmor is just a MAC system; in Debian, you'd generally use selinux. |
| 23:44.09 | simonrvn | ~wb |
| 23:44.10 | apt | thx |
| 23:44.15 | gnarface | benedikt: it is more the first one. idiot-proof. but in my opinion (and i'm no security expert) selinux is stupid because it is like putting a second lock on the same car door. you're assuming that 1) the first lock must be fundamentally flawed and 2) someone willing to saw through it won't just as easily saw through the second lock too |
| 23:44.44 | gnarface | in my opinion one known-working lock is better than two that might both be broken |
| 23:44.53 | jelly-home | gnarface: otoh I think selinux is a great idea, but implementation is hard |
| 23:44.53 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: it's a classic question of defense in depth |
| 23:45.03 | simonrvn | 2 known-working locks is better ;) |
| 23:45.19 | benedikt | gnarface: makes sense. but what bugs me is that ubuntu secures bind with apparmor by default and what the reason is; idiot-proofing or real need. |
| 23:45.25 | jelly-home | and security is _always_ about multiple layers |
| 23:45.40 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 23:45.42 | jelly-home | benedikt: they know bind is crap :-) |
| 23:45.45 | jelly-home | hides |
| 23:45.51 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 23:46.39 | simonrvn | PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ \n 79232 11348 1820 S 1.1 3.0 1:09.78 ... named |
| 23:46.50 | simonrvn | for 4 domains |
| 23:46.55 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 23:47.02 | gnarface | benedikt: *I* secure bind by putting it on its own physical machine, or (if i can't afford a separate physical machine) it's own vserver (which is the next best thing) because in either case a hacked bind is a hacked bind. what we're really protecting here is the other stuff a hacked bind might be a gateway to ALSO breaking in-to |
| 23:47.03 | benedikt | im running bind for 30 domains on ubuntu .P |
| 23:47.41 | benedikt | gnarface: you make a good point. i have dedicated dns servers at work so i dont *need* my own. |
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| 23:49.24 | gnarface | benedikt: i switched to debian just because i figured a ~300MB base install has *got* to be better than a default ubuntu install that has a GUI and thousands of other gui programs (each that are far more likely to present SOME level of vulnerability than bind itself) i don't need on a server in the first place |
| 23:50.17 | benedikt | gnarface: thats one of the reason my nslu has debian. Dont get me wrong, I love debian. I seriously dont know why the hell iinstalled ubutu or why its hard for me to decide this. |
| 23:50.53 | Shockc0re | udevd-event[668] : run_program '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit |
| 23:50.57 | Shockc0re | anyone ever got that? |
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| 23:51.11 | gnarface | benedikt: and in the end of the day you can probably find an almost identical system out of enough work from either a ubuntu or debian install, but it is a question of which type of task the defaults have been tuned to most appropriately address |
| 23:51.20 | helo | is it possible to change the UUID of a running sw raid array? |
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| 23:52.08 | benedikt | gnarface: i think ill go with debian. (im also wondering if i should take my laptop to debian stable). the lack of app armor made me wonder, but i guess its not needed. |
| 23:52.09 | gnarface | debian is *clearly* more tuned for addressing server concerns than ubuntu but don't expect that it won't offend your current experience level a few times [when you graduate to it from ubuntu] |
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| 23:53.03 | radioguy33 | if i just buy 2 identical hdd can i setup a RAID 1? or do I need to buy a raid hardware controller? or is it enough with dmraid (software raid) ? |
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| 23:53.16 | fly_ | Hi, I'm at the end of a debootstrap install of deb here and im trying to set up grub from my chroot but it doesnt seem to see my harddrives |
| 23:53.18 | gnarface | benedikt: this goes without saying but you should know about user and group permissions and how they apply to the filesystem permissions/ownership settings in detail to do any serious work with linux. maybe you know that already and if so sorry to be condescending about it |
| 23:53.26 | benedikt | i guess the biggest question is, does bind need apparmor? i googled and found a few decent debian + bind howto and neiter mentioned appamor/selinx/chroot |
| 23:53.42 | benedikt | gnarface: i do, no worries :-) |
| 23:54.05 | benedikt | im an all-linux user and computer science undergrad student and sysadmin. |
| 23:54.06 | Shockc0re | udevd-event[668] : run_program '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit |
| 23:54.09 | Shockc0re | on a fresh install wow |
| 23:54.18 | benedikt | Shockc0re: sounds scary. |
| 23:54.34 | jelly-home | radioguy33: you can do software raid, yes. But don't use identical drives (except for the size and approximate performance), use different vendors. |
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| 23:54.46 | gnarface | benedikt: i think bind just needs prompt updates. the apparmor thing is a partial stop-gap for betting on it getting inevitably hacked and betting that nobody is around to do their job |
| 23:55.02 | benedikt | jelly-home: why not identical drivesà |
| 23:55.10 | radioguy33 | jelly-home, using software raid means I don't need the hardware raid controller? |
| 23:55.13 | benedikt | gnarface: sounds reasonable. |
| 23:55.19 | benedikt | radioguy33: correct. |
| 23:55.33 | radioguy33 | benedikt, and different vendors to lessen the chance of a similar hardware crash? |
| 23:55.36 | jelly-home | benedikt: think bad batch (or bad firmware) |
| 23:55.45 | gnarface | benedikt: but you SHOULD try linux-vservers if you want to be paranoid. they're a much safer and more thorough barrier to the parent system than some stupid app that just suppliments what should be basic user/group permissions |
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| 23:56.14 | jelly-home | gnarface: um... do you _know_ what apparmor does? |
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| 23:56.43 | benedikt | gnarface: doesnt that require a chip that supports virtualization? |
| 23:56.49 | simonrvn | 'supplements' |
| 23:56.52 | simonrvn | benedikt: no |
| 23:56.53 | radioguy33 | so can I also buy 6 drives and use a raid 5 array using completely dmraid software raid? |
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| 23:57.11 | gnarface | jelly-home: sorry no i was operating under a probably mistaken assumption that it was an SELinux-equivalent ACL program or some such. please enlighten me? |
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| 23:57.28 | jelly-home | radioguy33: md raid, but yes. |
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| 23:57.37 | simonrvn | no, don't! :P |
| 23:57.41 | radioguy33 | mdraid defines the raid devices I believe |
| 23:58.08 | gnarface | benedikt: no but there are lots of multi-core chips these days that DO have harddware acceleration features for virtualization, you don't need them and i'm not really sure how hard it is to tap into them |
| 23:58.09 | radioguy33 | madadm i think the util is called |
| 23:58.23 | simonrvn | mdadm |
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| 23:58.44 | benedikt | gnarface: the server is somewhere around 11-12 years old :Ã |
| 23:58.44 | radioguy33 | and dmraid -a y activates it |
| 23:58.46 | jelly-home | radioguy33: md raid and device-mapper (dm) functionality is somewhat overlapping. |
| 23:58.54 | jelly-home | radioguy33: no |
| 23:59.02 | radioguy33 | but if my drives are not hot-swappable at home i would have to physically replace it inside |
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| 23:59.37 | gnarface | benedikt: you should know linux-vserver claims "negligable 1-2% overhead, sometimes *negative* overhead for equivalent tasks under the same host on identical physical hardware, virtualization acceleration or no |
| 23:59.49 | jelly-home | radioguy33: md raid and dm can be used independently. |
| 23:59.53 | benedikt | im reading about it now |