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| 00:00.12 | gnarface | benedikt: which is not the case under load for most other virtualization solutions |
| 00:00.33 | jelly-home | benedikt: vserver is more like BSD jail() plus some features, than a full virtualization technology |
| 00:00.59 | benedikt | it does sound nice |
| 00:01.05 | gnarface | the down side is it doesn't have FULL hardware access by default without punching holes in security, so it is great for server tasks but poor for desktop tasks, where (i think) KVM and XEN would be more appropriate |
| 00:01.20 | gnarface | or even UML |
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| 00:02.12 | gnarface | i have found it really convenient |
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| 00:02.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: i think he's on a short leash now .. |
| 00:02.58 | gnarface | i have found it to be very fast too however i have not tested under load to verify the claims of "negligable" overhead the way they designed it makes that sound plausible |
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| 00:05.26 | simonrvn | abrotman: *nods* |
| 00:05.38 | simonrvn | jelly-home: not liking this: #516394 - [security]: Rapid DNS Poisoning in dnscache |
| 00:06.16 | gnarface | benedikt: just fyi the problem with just chrooting a program is that if you can use said program to attain privilege escalation to root within the chroot jail then the chroot jail is more or less pointless as a security measure. with linux-vservers your vhosts should *theoretically* be as secure from attacks against each other as the kernel version you're running is from root exploits |
| 00:06.29 | benedikt | this settles it. article on deian-administration.org on bind9 doesnt even mention chroot. |
| 00:07.02 | benedikt | gnarface: i think ill employ linux-vserver. |
| 00:07.12 | fluorine | ΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦΦ |
| 00:08.03 | jelly-home | simonrvn: yeah, fsvo rapid |
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| 00:08.23 | simonrvn | checking it now |
| 00:08.35 | gnarface | benedikt: a wise choice. properly wielded it can simplify the hell out of deployment and backups too. |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | fluorine: do you need help? |
| 00:08.50 | benedikt | gnarface: how can it simplyfy backups |
| 00:08.51 | benedikt | ? |
| 00:08.55 | jelly-home | "It's indeed a question of defining 'hard' and 'significantly'. In an nearly ideal environment a proof of concept implementation of the attack |
| 00:08.55 | jelly-home | through a 10Mb/s link against dnscache succeeds in about 20 minutes, the same attack takes many hours against implementation that merge queries. The numbers change if the dnscache is under load, i.e. there are ordinary clients sending queries to dnscache. |
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| 00:10.38 | fluorine | abrotman: sorry, that little character was just so interesting that i accidentally pasted it and hit [enter] |
| 00:11.13 | gnarface | benedikt: use your imagination a bit. you can run tar commands from a bash script on the host machine and you can make new vservers directly as clones of other vservers just by using the -m clone or -m rsync options |
| 00:11.20 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I guess you'd notice unless you were a) a medium-big ISP that already has big traffic or b) not looking at weird network usage from your internal IP range to your dnscache |
| 00:12.37 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 00:12.46 | gnarface | benedikt: i do recommend using the debian-specific guest creation tool rather than the vserver one listed on the project site. it is much friendlier and is smart enough not to try to bootstrap sid for you |
| 00:14.16 | benedikt | gnarface: so its complete vservers, with their own ip address and everything? |
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| 00:14.56 | jelly-home | simonrvn: we have about 2Mbps dns traffic on our dnscaches... so I might have to worry, but your hoem lan dnscache probably doesn't need to. Just disable queries to the cache from outside. |
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| 00:16.10 | gnarface | benedikt: yes they each can have their own ip address or addresses. it is your choice as to whether you want those to be public or private addresses. you can give all your vservers ip addresses on the same network with the host machine, or you can NAT them as a subnet behind one of the host machine's addresses using iptables |
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| 00:16.47 | fly | Can someone please help me set up grub from a chroot |
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| 00:17.29 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i already do that. i only allow normal authoritative NS from outside, and inside i allow normal dns lookups |
| 00:17.35 | dondelelcaro | Guest21985: /nick to a better nick, and ask your question |
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| 00:18.00 | simonrvn | that's a server 'feature' now |
| 00:18.04 | gnarface | fly a knoppix chroot? http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Rescue_FAQ |
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| 00:18.26 | fly_ | ugh i was trying to change my nick but i had to part because i couldnt send to chan :P |
| 00:18.36 | fly_ | Anyways im trying to install grub from chroot |
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| 00:18.55 | fly_ | but my chroot doesnt see sda (or the partitions within) |
| 00:18.56 | benedikt | fly_: grub-install ? |
| 00:19.08 | gnarface | fly_: if it is a chroot you made in a knoppix boot read this: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Rescue_FAQ |
| 00:19.20 | fly_ | this chroot was made via a debian install |
| 00:19.49 | simonrvn | jelly-home: heavy use of acls |
| 00:19.59 | fly_ | installed debian ext3 debootstrapped onto ext4 and chrooted in |
| 00:20.14 | gnarface | so you're in a working, booting debian root and you've bootstrapped a new debian install into a chroot and you want to install grub into the chroot? |
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| 00:20.20 | winter | operator lama |
| 00:20.27 | fly_ | correct |
| 00:20.32 | dondelelcaro | fly_: so bind mount /dev into the chroot |
| 00:20.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 00:20.43 | fly_ | that easy? |
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| 00:20.44 | fly_ | lol |
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| 00:21.16 | gnarface | fly_: any time you chroot you might find that mounting the host system's /proc and /dev are useful |
| 00:21.36 | gnarface | fly_: especially i fyou want to get at stuff in /dev like /dev/sda |
| 00:22.45 | fly_ | i think i just totally spaced it |
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| 00:22.47 | fly_ | i mounted proc |
| 00:23.25 | gnarface | i think chrooting does not run your fstab in the chroot jail like a boot would |
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| 00:23.51 | gnarface | someone check me on this but often i think when you're bootstrapping like this you chroot, and then if your fstab in the chroot jail is properly set up you mount -a, right? |
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| 00:26.24 | benedikt | gnarface: thanks for your time. ive decided to go with debian. |
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| 00:26.43 | simonrvn | !customer |
| 00:26.44 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:27.23 | benedikt | simonrvn: i was taught to tell people when they do something i appriciate. :þ |
| 00:27.57 | Rezagrats | Using 'ntfs-3g -o rw,force', where would i place the UUID of the HDD i'm targeting ? |
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| 00:29.07 | gnarface | Rezagrats: never tried it UUID but isn't it just -o [options] [drive] [mount point]? |
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| 00:29.19 | lwizardl | hi |
| 00:29.26 | gnarface | benedikt: luck to you :) |
| 00:29.31 | lwizardl | anyone understand the linux resolv.conf file configuration ? i'm trying to setup mine and all i see online is search domain xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 00:29.33 | benedikt | i think UUID just replaces [drive] |
| 00:29.55 | benedikt | lwizardl: what do you want to accomplish? specify dns servers? |
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| 00:30.05 | abrotman | lwizardl: it has a nifty man page |
| 00:30.12 | fly_ | so.. mount /dev/sda7 /mnt/debian && mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/debian/boot && mount -t /proc none /mnt/debian/proc && mount -o bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev |
| 00:30.15 | fly_ | that worked |
| 00:31.14 | lwizardl | benedikt, I'm trying to configure a working server that I can use for testing out my PHP scripts |
| 00:31.42 | gnarface | lwizardl: using dhcp or no? |
| 00:31.42 | lwizardl | gnarface, no static |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | lwizardl: what does your resolv.conf have to do with the PHP ? |
| 00:32.42 | lwizardl | abrotman, nothing exactly but I'm trying to make this a fully working server so that I can test the scripts from outside the network also if I needed |
| 00:33.02 | gnarface | lwizardl: than all you need is one line for each name server. they should look like this: nameserver [ip address] - you can add a default search domain or two if you want and you can add multiple nameservers (it is advised to have 2 or 3 i think) but for basic functionality you just need one nameserver that works |
| 00:33.04 | benedikt | lwizardl: i think you are looking to put "nameserver <dns server's ip> in it |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | lwizardl: man resolv.conf .. it's pretty simple |
| 00:33.16 | benedikt | you domt need domain |
| 00:34.24 | lwizardl | so then just nameserver 1xx.1xxx.xx.xxx |
| 00:35.16 | lwizardl | and would that be the external ip address for that network and not any internal ones like 192.168.1.x but the ip address that like ipchicken.com displays |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | lwizardl: try it and see ... |
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| 00:38.54 | lwizardl | thanks |
| 00:38.56 | uber_noober | hey guys, i run lenyy on a dell inspiron. my system crashed while using iceweasel and it kept trying to get back to the login screen. any idea what the hell happened? |
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| 00:39.32 | abrotman | uber_noober: something killed X |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | uber_noober: i'll guess it was Flash |
| 00:40.03 | uber_noober | yeah i'm looking at the logs but can't find it....pretty strange |
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| 00:40.35 | abrotman | which logs? probably be /var/log/Xorg.1.log |
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| 00:40.47 | fly_ | damn.. (The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly) |
| 00:40.51 | uber_noober | looking at the old one |
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| 00:41.03 | fly_ | what now |
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| 00:43.03 | uber_noober | thanks folks, have a good one |
| 00:44.00 | fly_ | huh... well it would appear update-grub works.. should i assume it is ok and install to mbr? |
| 00:44.24 | benedikt | fly_: yeah |
| 00:44.43 | benedikt | if it doesnt work, go back and try to figure out why |
| 00:44.47 | benedikt | only one way to find out |
| 00:44.53 | fly_ | :/ |
| 00:45.03 | fly_ | well it couldnt read stage1 |
| 00:45.13 | fly_ | kinda throws a red flag |
| 00:45.21 | benedikt | but you tried to fix it right? |
| 00:45.30 | benedikt | only one way to find out if you succeeded |
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| 00:46.04 | kacksucker | hello |
| 00:46.07 | kacksucker | neggers |
| 00:46.09 | fly_ | -shrug- I suppose i can always point it at my other install if not |
| 00:46.10 | kacksucker | !!!++ |
| 00:46.19 | kacksucker | ups wrong channel |
| 00:46.20 | kacksucker | sry |
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| 00:46.45 | kacksucker | sieg heil |
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| 00:49.24 | simonrvn | abrotman++ |
| 00:49.42 | benedikt | ++abrotman |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | oh sure .. but no real karma .. |
| 00:50.23 | simonrvn | it's not a diff ;) |
| 00:50.27 | simonrvn | !abrotman++ |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:50.45 | liable | tart |
| 00:50.56 | simonrvn | sweet |
| 00:53.04 | simonrvn | sour |
| 00:53.25 | liable | guiness! |
| 00:54.05 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:55.30 | simonrvn | holy crap, that's the longest hostmask i've seen |
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| 01:11.59 | tpocra | How can I create a USB flash drive bootable ubuntu |
| 01:12.01 | tpocra | from within Debian? |
| 01:12.08 | markybob | jesus |
| 01:12.12 | tpocra | does Ubuntu's usb-creator tool work? |
| 01:12.31 | liable | tpocra: why don't you go ask in #ubuntu ? |
| 01:12.32 | gnarface | markybob: say no! just say no!!! |
| 01:12.36 | markybob | tpocra, go away |
| 01:12.49 | tpocra | yo stop bitching |
| 01:13.04 | tpocra | I run Debian sid on my desktop and laptop, and lenny on all my Xen paravirtualised servers |
| 01:13.04 | markybob | yep, that's gonna get you your answer |
| 01:13.14 | tpocra | I want to create this to install Ubuntu on someone else's computer |
| 01:13.20 | tpocra | and this is extremely Debian-relevant |
| 01:13.20 | markybob | tpocra, doesnt matter. what matters is your question isnt about debian |
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| 01:13.31 | tpocra | It involves both distributions. |
| 01:13.35 | liable | tpocra: just try it.. |
| 01:14.11 | tpocra | They probably won't know. |
| 01:14.11 | gnarface | 1$ says they kicked him out of #ubuntu already |
| 01:14.12 | markybob | tpocra, where does it say "we support making ubuntu bootable usb drives"? in the channel topic? maybe in the channel guidelines? maybe?...no. |
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| 01:14.29 | markybob | gnarface, nice |
| 01:14.44 | fly_ | Nope... didnt install grub booted as normal into the non chroot |
| 01:14.56 | fly_ | still getting stage1 error |
| 01:14.58 | tpocra | Actually there's nothing in the topic about what people will or won't give support for. |
| 01:15.06 | tpocra | Anyone can answer any questions. |
| 01:15.06 | jimcooncat | maybe you can buy one |
| 01:15.16 | tpocra | And gnarface that is exactly what I'm talking about. |
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| 01:15.25 | tpocra | There's all this totally uncessary angst between Debian and Ubuntu |
| 01:15.36 | tpocra | They both kick ass for different reasons, but my heart lies in the Debian project. |
| 01:15.38 | markybob | !debian |
| 01:15.39 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:15.46 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 01:15.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:16.00 | markybob | tpocra, see the difference? ubuntu isnt supported here |
| 01:16.00 | jimcooncat | I run ubuntu and someday I'll be worthy enough |
| 01:16.02 | tpocra | markybob: Yeah and I am running Debian and I have a Debian question. |
| 01:16.06 | simonrvn | tpocra: what angst? |
| 01:16.29 | tpocra | Okay how about this: how can I create live Debian CDs on Debian? |
| 01:16.35 | markybob | tpocra, making a ubuntu usb drive has nothing to do with debian. it's simple. stop being stupid |
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| 01:17.03 | tpocra | markybob: It does because I want to create one on Debian. |
| 01:17.06 | tpocra | If I'm running Debian and want to do something on Debian, it makes sense to ask it here. |
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| 01:17.41 | liable | jesus, just go fucking do it, and stop asking here about whether it will work |
| 01:18.10 | gnarface | tpocra: just download a knoppix iso and burn it to cd. stop forcing people to make life hard on you. |
| 01:18.13 | liable | writing an installer to a usb drive is not a difficult task |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | gnarface: that's not what he asked |
| 01:18.57 | gnarface | abrotman: i know but i decided to leapfrog to his ultimate optimum solution, since his friend's computer probably doesn't even support USB boot anyway |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | tpocra: and if your question is how to create a USB device that is booting Ubuntu, your question belongs in #ubuntu |
| 01:19.41 | jimcooncat | why not put a netboot setup on your laptop, and boot your friends computer from yours? you can put several different distros on |
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| 01:22.31 | fly_ | so im still getting that stage1 error should I just reinstall my chroot? |
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| 01:23.13 | liable | hmm, stage 1 error when you are doing what? |
| 01:23.29 | fly_ | grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 01:24.58 | liable | whats the whole error? |
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| 01:25.23 | Minataku | Debian/sparc64-testing fails to boot after installation with a Fast Data Access MMU Miss |
| 01:25.26 | Minataku | Known bug? |
| 01:26.04 | liable | Minataku: try #debian-sparc on oftc, or the debian-boot mailing list. does the stable installer work? |
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| 01:26.25 | Minataku | Haven't tried, I don't care to bother with the stale installer nor do |
| 01:26.36 | liable | dailies are broken on occasion, particularly for the rarer arches |
| 01:26.39 | Minataku | I care to join another network to pursue this |
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| 01:27.05 | liable | then i dont care to bother to help |
| 01:27.17 | Minataku | SPARC64 is probably going to be your most common after x86 and PPC |
| 01:27.34 | Minataku | Given that Sun kit is quite common in the secondary marketplace |
| 01:28.16 | Minataku | liable: What a wonderful attitude. It's broken but fuck you if you think we care about fixing it. Real nice. And people wonder why Linux isn't more adopted. |
| 01:28.24 | liable | wtf |
| 01:28.43 | fly_ | The file /bot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
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| 01:28.49 | Minataku | liable: I hope you don't represent Debian in any way, because you certainly deserve to have that revoked if so |
| 01:29.03 | Minataku | fly_: It seems so, but the question is why |
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| 01:29.12 | liable | Minataku: dont be a retard, i told you to ask in a place that would have an idea, you said you didnt care to. now you say i'm being unhelpfull? |
| 01:29.16 | Minataku | Actually, it doesn't even seem to get that far |
| 01:29.34 | fly_ | i have no clue. its not hard to anyway id just hate to do it and end up in the same spot im in now |
| 01:29.34 | orion_x11 | I've upgrade my kernel to 2.6.30, but it halts before gdm asking me "give password for maintenance ou crtl-D to proceed". I'd like that it not ask me to give pass and go straight to gdm. How can I change that? |
| 01:29.37 | Minataku | It seems to fail within the primary bootblock on the disk itself |
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| 01:30.38 | gnarface | Minataku: after years of experience i stopped bothering with the non-stable installs. it is always less trouble to install from the latest stable installer than apt-get upgrade to testing or unstable after editing your sources. |
| 01:31.02 | Minataku | It used to be that only unstable was unstable, you guys are regressing |
| 01:31.14 | Minataku | The PPC testing netinst is busted too, BTW |
| 01:31.16 | fly_ | well.. ill be back in a few i guess. gonna try this chroot from scratch see if it generates the same issue |
| 01:31.36 | Minataku | There's no network modules on the netinst at all |
| 01:31.39 | Minataku | Well, there's ONE |
| 01:31.42 | Minataku | For HDLC |
| 01:31.57 | Minataku | Which, as it's a netinst image, makes it completely and utterly useless |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | Minataku: there is a sparc channel on OFTC i believe |
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| 01:32.15 | abrotman | and also #debian-boot |
| 01:32.25 | Minataku | I've heard. Why is this channel located elsewhere? |
| 01:32.46 | Minataku | Seems deliberately designed to discourage people from bothering |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | Minataku: most of the more focused debian channels are on OFTC (and also a #debian) |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | !tell Minataku about why oftc |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | !tell Minataku about oftc move |
| 01:33.18 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:33.21 | sway | if people are installing testing, shouldn't they know how to install it from stable? |
| 01:33.23 | gnarface | !tell gnarface about oftc move |
| 01:33.35 | liable | he just wants to whine, not do anything to help himself.. |
| 01:33.38 | abrotman | !tell gnarface about selftell |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | Minataku: and FWIW .. the testing installers are known to be buggy any day of the week .. they do a lot of development on those, and it just might be that today's build is totalyl useless |
| 01:34.11 | gnarface | *sigh* you you guys are picky |
| 01:34.15 | Minataku | I think I'll just look for some other distribution instead. |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | sway: i think the issue might be the sparc64 bit |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | Minataku: for a sparc64? i don't think there's anything else except netbsd and stuff from sun |
| 01:34.42 | liable | Minataku: good luck with that, don't let the door hit you on the way out |
| 01:34.47 | sway | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:35.01 | sway | does qemu support sparc64 yet? |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:35.13 | sway | thank you |
| 01:35.20 | Minataku | No, sway |
| 01:35.25 | Minataku | The emulation is deficient |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | well .. it exists on my system .. whether or not it works might be another question :) |
| 01:35.31 | sway | Minataku: no engris |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | Minataku: but it exists? |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | /usr/bin/qemu-sparc64 |
| 01:35.48 | Minataku | abrotman: Oh, right, a Debian defition of support, I suppose |
| 01:36.11 | liable | here we go |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | Minataku: so fix it |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | or tell qemu to fix it .. |
| 01:36.12 | Minataku | I have real SPARC64 kit |
| 01:36.15 | abrotman | okay .. then fix the installer .. |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | or offer to help test it on your hardware .. |
| 01:36.32 | Minataku | I can do that |
| 01:37.07 | Minataku | I'm not going to OFTC to do it, though, when I use Freenode. |
| 01:37.18 | abrotman | Minataku: then you can try mailing lists .. |
| 01:37.24 | Minataku | Shunting things elsewhere tends to just cause them to dissolve and vanish |
| 01:37.30 | Minataku | Which I suppose is the point |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | then you can't really complain if you're not willing to help .. have a nice day! |
| 01:38.22 | Minataku | I'm not the one using redirection to make MY problems go away. |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | unless you're going to ship me sparc64 hardware, nothing i can do |
| 01:38.39 | liable | ... |
| 01:38.55 | liable | do you think we are paid help or something? |
| 01:39.13 | Minataku | liable: No, you couldn't be |
| 01:39.19 | Minataku | You'd be fired in a heartbeat if you were |
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| 01:39.45 | abrotman | Minataku: stop, if you want help with the installer or sparc64, you'll have to go to OFTC .. whining here will get you nothing |
| 01:39.53 | gnarface | i think abrotman has had a bad day and should share with the group |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | Minataku: not many people have sparc64 hardware .. you'll have to accept that |
| 01:40.01 | Minataku | I'm sure it wouldn't help there, either |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | gnarface: i've had a perfectly fine day |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | Minataku: then go somewhere else .. playing the spoiled brat doesn't help anyone here |
| 01:40.23 | Minataku | abrotman: Again, SPARC64 kit is quite easy to find and pretty cheap to boot |
| 01:40.29 | abrotman | Minataku: fine .. buy it for me |
| 01:40.34 | Minataku | Plenty of it on the secondary market |
| 01:40.40 | Minataku | You wish |
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| 01:40.45 | liable | annoying troll is annoying |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | okay, have a nice day, bye |
| 01:40.46 | markybob | gnarface, you should be careful what you say to ops. just a hint |
| 01:40.49 | blizzow1 | still getting nowhere with my corrupt dpkg database. I've subverting the .postrm and .postinst scripts with an exit zero but I'm still getting dpkg script removal errors... http://pastebin.com/d1137de0f |
| 01:40.57 | blizzow1 | anyone know what else I could try? |
| 01:41.23 | Minataku | liable: I agree, you are very annoying. |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | Minataku: if you can't get help here, then please just be quiet, you're not helping |
| 01:41.48 | liable | blizzow1: you couldnt have put the exit in the right spot if its exiting with an error |
| 01:41.52 | gnarface | markybob, abrotman point taken sorry. i'll stop being part of the problem now |
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| 01:42.06 | Minataku | abrotman: Neither are you. Hey, how about that. |
| 01:42.07 | Kuifje111 | when I run "apt-get install php5" to install php it installs it, but after that php still doesnt work plus "php -v" does not work.. |
| 01:42.14 | Minataku | I'm with gnarface. |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | Minataku: bye, have a nice day! |
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| 01:42.40 | abrotman | stupid pastebin.com |
| 01:42.50 | liable | blizzow1: a 'set -x' may be more helpfull anyway |
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| 01:43.22 | liable | erm, maybe without the - |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | hi dan2 |
| 01:43.28 | liable | i forget |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | liable: no, 'set -x' is correct |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | i can't even get the pastebin to load FFS |
| 01:43.49 | liable | oh good, my memory isnt completely fucked |
| 01:44.15 | tabashco | Kuifje111: the php cli is a separate package (i think php5-cli) |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | gives up trying ot read the paste |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | blizzow1: please use paste.debian.net |
| 01:44.37 | liable | its not helpfull anyway, error 2 |
| 01:44.42 | Kuifje111 | tabashco: all right, but I still cannot run php files on my web server. |
| 01:45.06 | liable | for both the old and new post remove |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | Kuifje111: you want libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 01:45.29 | liable | me thinks he's done something naughty before trying to remove it :) |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | i can't read it to see! |
| 01:46.44 | liable | pastebin works here |
| 01:46.58 | blizzow1 | okay, so I added exit 0 in the line right after #!/bin/sh in both the /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-gcj.postinst and still get the same problem. abrotman: here's the http://paste.debian.net/49610/ |
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| 01:47.12 | blizzow1 | where should I use 'set -x' ? |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | blizzow1: before the exit 0 |
| 01:47.32 | liable | under the shebang |
| 01:47.37 | blizzow1 | okay |
| 01:47.45 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: seems like php only doesnt work with phpsysinfo, should configure phpsysinfo, I guess. |
| 01:47.50 | blizzow1 | single quotes or no? |
| 01:47.57 | liable | no quotes |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | Kuifje111: what doesn't work ? |
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| 01:48.46 | Nubosal | Well, I hope I can get some help here |
| 01:48.47 | liable | using aptitude will unpack a new script and overwrite it though iirc |
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| 01:49.21 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: http://gnw.uk.to/phpsysinfo |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | easy enough to check |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | Kuifje111: looks fine .. what's the issue ? |
| 01:49.32 | Nubosal | Im somewhat new to Linux |
| 01:49.41 | Nubosal | And Im trying to install the Nvidia GPU drivers |
| 01:49.41 | tectum | hi, how can I look at the script that describes how a particular .deb file is to be built? |
| 01:49.51 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: really? the page doesnt load here. |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | Kuifje111: Blue-Box.WORKGROUP |
| 01:50.11 | blizzow1 | out of stupidity, what does set -x do? |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | Nubosal: on which version of Linux ? |
| 01:50.15 | Kuifje111 | yeah, that's the one. |
| 01:50.21 | Nubosal | Debian Lenny |
| 01:50.21 | abrotman | Kuifje111: obviously i can see it |
| 01:50.34 | abrotman | Kuifje111: clear your browser cache and restart the browser, try again |
| 01:50.38 | Nubosal | After downloading it, and killing Xorg and gde |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | blizzow1: spits out the commands |
| 01:50.42 | liable | blizzow1: its makes it output the script as it runs. |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | !tell Nubosal about nvidia |
| 01:50.45 | Nubosal | And ./thedriver.run |
| 01:50.51 | abrotman | Nubosal: that's wrong |
| 01:50.52 | Nubosal | (after logging at root) |
| 01:50.53 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: yes, thanks. it is working with IE. |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:51.10 | Nubosal | No, its not about the drivers, tells me something about the kernel source tree |
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| 01:51.32 | tectum | hi, how can I make my own debian package? |
| 01:51.39 | Nubosal | "It was unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel" |
| 01:51.44 | abrotman | !tell tectum about nmg |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | Nubosal: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 01:52.08 | tectum | abrotman: nmg? |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | tectum: see what the bot told you |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | !tell tectum about mg |
| 01:52.29 | Nubosal | "Unable to find the kernel source the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel" |
| 01:52.35 | Nubosal | And dont lets me proceed |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | Nubosal: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 01:53.14 | Nubosal | After searching a little, it sent me to kernel.org |
| 01:53.26 | Nubosal | And im downloading the source of the latest stable kernel |
| 01:53.30 | tectum | abrotman: can't see any bot talking to me |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | Nubosal: that's not what i'm asking for .. are you going to answer my questions ? |
| 01:53.52 | Nubosal | Well, ask them again, sorry |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | tectum: the bot is named 'dpkg' .. he should have told you a bunch of stuff |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | Nubosal: uname -a .. says what ? |
| 01:54.29 | Nubosal | Uname -a? |
| 01:54.29 | tectum | abrotman: what I really want to do is to look at how a particular package was built |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | Nubosal: it's a terminal command |
| 01:54.41 | tectum | abrotman: (I'm pretty sure the bot was silent) |
| 01:54.50 | Nubosal | I didnt tryied that yet |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | tectum: no, because the bot told me that he told you |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | !mg |
| 01:54.56 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 01:55.02 | tectum | abrotman: he's a lier |
| 01:55.04 | tectum | liar* |
| 01:55.07 | tectum | oh, now he did! |
| 01:55.10 | Piggy | sneezes |
| 01:55.17 | liable | bless you |
| 01:55.21 | liable | swine flu? |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | hi Piggy !!!!!!!!! |
| 01:55.45 | abrotman | tectum: or you just can't find it in your IRC client .. some people have that problem |
| 01:56.01 | tectum | abrotman: I'm using emacs, that might be it |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | tectum: you probably have to C-m,C-o,C-o |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | hopes that doesn't actually do anything |
| 01:57.02 | tectum | abrotman: colors? |
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| 01:59.23 | abrotman | tectum: moo |
| 01:59.47 | liable | abrotmoo! |
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| 02:00.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:00.25 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 02:03.37 | tectum | is there a simple way of looking at the package description file for a particular package? |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | tectum: you want to search by description ? |
| 02:04.39 | tectum | I want to find out the compiler options debian used when cocmpiling the package |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | !tell tectum about debian/rules |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | tectum: the bot told you something again .. |
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| 02:07.04 | tectum | abrotman: I'm really sorry, but the last thing the bot told me was about a cow... would you mind pointing out what rule I violated? |
| 02:08.02 | macrobat | tectum: a separate query with the bot opens, the bot tells you stuff |
| 02:08.13 | macrobat | i recommend xchat or weechat |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | techouse: the bot tells you in msg |
| 02:08.32 | markybob | tectum, no, you didnt break a rule. debian/rules sets the compilation options in a debian package |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | tectum: it would either create another window, or sometimes they go into your server info window |
| 02:08.49 | tectum | :) |
| 02:09.01 | tectum | abrotman: I just found it... really sorry for the confusion |
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| 02:09.16 | tectum | (I'm having 20 buffers open in my emacs) |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | tectum: find the bot? |
| 02:09.58 | tectum | abrotman: yes, found it! |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | good .. |
| 02:10.15 | tectum | interesting... so where is this debian/rules file? |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | goes back to watching baseball |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | tectum: you get the source package |
| 02:10.39 | abrotman | !tell tectum about source |
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| 02:11.16 | tectum | do source packages come with platform-specific compilation options for all platforms? |
| 02:11.18 | markybob | abrotman, dont waste your time. not even close |
| 02:11.45 | markybob | damn yankees :P |
| 02:11.56 | tectum | oh |
| 02:12.11 | tectum | actually, I don't have debian installed on the platform for which I want to look at the source package |
| 02:12.31 | tectum | specifically I want to know how to build http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ghc6 on IA64 |
| 02:12.32 | abrotman | markybob: i'm still watching! |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | tectum: the rules file is just a make file .. you can read it |
| 02:12.47 | liable | tell him |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | judd: versions ghc |
| 02:13.42 | judd | abrotman: ghc -- |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | judd: versions ghc6 |
| 02:13.44 | judd | abrotman: ghc6 -- etch: 6.6-3 lenny: 6.8.2dfsg1-1 squeeze: 6.8.2dfsg1-1 sid: 6.10.4-1 |
| 02:13.50 | tectum | abrotman: I was wondering where to find it (I don't have debian installed anywhere) |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | tectum: do you want me to paste the rules file for you ? |
| 02:14.24 | tectum | that would be great |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | in a pastebin or msg ? |
| 02:14.58 | tectum | pastebin if that's ok |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | NO! |
| 02:15.08 | tectum | :) |
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| 02:15.32 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/49611/ |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | markybob: at least you're not a Pirates fan :) |
| 02:16.19 | markybob | abrotman, i'm the worst type of fan...a cubs fan :( destined to never win |
| 02:16.28 | tectum | abrotman: thanks... is that for a particular platform or generic? |
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| 02:16.49 | abrotman | markybob: 17 losing seasons in a row |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | tectum: that's the one for all architectures |
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| 02:17.16 | abrotman | tectum: obviously there could be architecture specific code |
| 02:18.01 | tectum | abrotman: what about architecture-specific compiler flags and such? |
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| 02:22.40 | jaggz- | I wish my camera were supported under linux :( |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | why isn't it ? |
| 02:23.25 | abrotman | tectum: i don't see anything specifed there, not sure if the buildd does something on its own or not .. why are you asking ? |
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| 02:24.36 | jaggz- | I don't know.. never could get it to work.. can I use the windows driver somehow? http://pcchipsusa.com/prod-xeye.asp |
| 02:24.49 | jaggz- | once the camera was recognized the image data format wasn't.. |
| 02:25.27 | jaggz- | why is this page in spanish? heh |
| 02:26.47 | tectum | abrotman: it's a bit hard to compile this package (it's a two-stage bootstrapping compiler) |
| 02:27.10 | tectum | on x86 it works out of the box, but not ia64... |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | tectum: that sounds like no fun |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | tectum: also, i htink qemu does ia64 now (though it's probably really slow) |
| 02:27.36 | tectum | oh |
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| 02:27.53 | tectum | I was just thinking about that |
| 02:28.07 | tectum | its being slow wouldn't better (because it's only for phase 1 in the bootstrap) |
| 02:28.27 | tectum | I have to get this running on a SuSE box to which I don't have root access |
| 02:29.06 | tectum | so I might install debian in a qemu box and then use it to do phase 2... |
| 02:29.21 | tectum | is qemu better/easier than virtualbox? |
| 02:29.43 | sway | they're not the same thing |
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| 02:30.04 | sway | qemu's a hypervisor, not a virtual machine |
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| 02:30.39 | krisfremen | what can i use to limit the cpu usage? |
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| 02:32.12 | abrotman | sway: qemu isn't a hypervisor |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | AFAIK, qemu is just an emulator |
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| 02:32.50 | rumpsy | dpkg hi |
| 02:32.50 | dpkg | que tal |
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| 02:34.36 | krisfremen | i see cpulimit for limiting certain process |
| 02:34.43 | krisfremen | what about system wide? |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | ulimit |
| 02:35.01 | rumpsy | abrotman:hi |
| 02:35.06 | roe_ | I am using module assistant, I am successfully building the nvidia module for 2.6.30 but when I try to start X I get "EE Failed to load module "nvidia"", I have rmmoded it and modprobed it. It is there |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | hi? |
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| 02:35.30 | rumpsy | abrotman: finally i installed nvidia drier |
| 02:35.36 | rumpsy | abrotman: finally i installed nvidia driver |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | i saw |
| 02:35.53 | rumpsy | you saw? |
| 02:35.55 | rumpsy | How? |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | you said it twice |
| 02:36.14 | rumpsy | ha :~( |
| 02:36.30 | sway | abrotman: i didn't think qemu had a state mechanism? |
| 02:36.50 | sway | abrotman: but odds say you're right |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | judd: info qemu --release lenny |
| 02:36.57 | judd | abrotman: qemu (misc): is optional; Version: 0.9.1-10; Size: 10301.3k; Installed: 29852k -- fast processor emulator |
| 02:37.01 | krisfremen | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:37.02 | roe_ | rumpsy, what was your trouble exactly? |
| 02:37.21 | sway | abrotman: thank you |
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| 02:37.47 | rumpsy | i'm using nvidia driver, but my fonts seems bulky... how can i make it clear |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | sway: i only read what i read ... |
| 02:38.06 | pz8 | hi, i need install debian in a computer with only network, without cd, dvd, usb . how do that??????????? |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | pxe |
| 02:38.15 | roe_ | pz8, netboot |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | pz8: wait .. does it have a floppy drive? |
| 02:38.52 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:38.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:39.02 | pz8 | no :( abrotman |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | !netboot |
| 02:39.26 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | provided your machine tries to boot over the netowrk |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | there's also the hd-media |
| 02:39.47 | sway | abrotman: thank you |
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| 02:39.56 | abrotman | sway: you're starting to freak me out ... |
| 02:40.09 | sway | abrotman: oh? |
| 02:40.14 | sway | boo! |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | too many 'thank you's :) |
| 02:40.23 | sway | pardon |
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| 02:44.26 | roe_ | rumpsy, aptitude install module-assistant then man it |
| 02:44.43 | rumpsy | Okay |
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| 02:47.45 | fly_ | -sigh- The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 02:47.52 | fly_ | again |
| 02:49.15 | abrotman | stop doing that ? |
| 02:50.02 | liable | reinstall grub so it gets fresh files |
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| 02:50.14 | liable | after deleting them |
| 02:50.15 | fly_ | i just reinstalled the ENTIRE chroot |
| 02:50.25 | liable | hmm |
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| 02:51.04 | Hoopz | how do i install openssh-server without all the X dependencies? |
| 02:51.07 | liable | i doubt it would help, but run grub manually |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | !tell Hoopz about apt recommends |
| 02:51.23 | fly_ | thats what im thinking.. |
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| 02:53.55 | Laidback_01 | hey, this is a typical problem, but I'm googling the wrong things I guess. I've recompiled a couple of different kernels now, 2.6.3 & 2.6.18, and on both, I end up with a booting kernel, but one which doesn't accept any keyboard input on console. I can ssh to it just fine.. but not type. any idead? |
| 02:54.03 | Laidback_01 | s/idead/ideas |
| 02:54.22 | abrotman | what's wrong with the Debian kernel? |
| 02:54.55 | Laidback_01 | nothing, I just compiled up a xen based kernel, everything works fine, just no keyboard. |
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| 02:57.18 | qiyong | [ ! -d $a -o ! -d $b ] is that right? how do i add ()s? |
| 02:57.19 | nsadmin | Laidback_01: so you can ssh to the machine and type and it works? |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | qiyong: #bash |
| 02:58.03 | nsadmin | this is just on the console that it doesn't work? |
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| 02:59.07 | Laidback_01 | nsadmin: yessir I can |
| 02:59.39 | qiyong | abrotman: i'm asking /bin/sh syntax, not bash specific |
| 02:59.42 | Laidback_01 | I also have several domainUs running which I use basically the same kernel recompiled for them, similar options, and I cannot use the console with them either. |
| 02:59.56 | Laidback_01 | I can, however, use ssh to get into them as well. |
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| 03:00.03 | abrotman | qiyong: /bin/sh points to something .. |
| 03:00.13 | Laidback_01 | yeah, the system is fully operational, just nothing at the console. |
| 03:00.18 | rumpsy | when i play flv files in totem... i get "internal data flow error"... what might be the problem |
| 03:00.33 | Laidback_01 | I'd call this a security feature, only it's kind of annoying on the domainUs... |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | qiyong: you should really read the docs for your shell though to learn how to add functions |
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| 03:03.37 | roe_ | anyone know how I can change my "primary" monitor? I want the login box and the various tool bars to show up on the other monitor (using twinview) |
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| 03:06.32 | Laidback_01 | nsadmin: it's probably something to do with frambuffer |
| 03:06.49 | fly_ | nope ... it says it worked but grub is still booting my other install |
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| 03:13.49 | bjsnider | i'm getting command not found on dh_quilt_unpatch |
| 03:13.59 | bjsnider | debhelper 7.2.x |
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| 03:15.58 | deco | winter: \o/ |
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| 03:17.09 | fly_ | argh... theres nothing wrong afaik |
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| 03:30.08 | roe | any idea how twinview handles different dpis? |
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| 03:38.04 | rumpsy | what might be error, for this "Can't locate src/logger.pl" |
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| 03:39.02 | rumpsy | Can't locate src/logger.pl, i get this error when i about to load module google |
| 03:39.07 | eatThisAndDie | guys can i use apt to check what version(s) of a particular package is available in the repos? |
| 03:39.25 | rumpsy | !apt |
| 03:39.25 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
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| 03:41.11 | stew | eatThisAndDie: apt-cache policy packagename ; apt-cache madison packagename |
| 03:41.59 | eatThisAndDie | stew. that works great. thanks. |
| 03:42.53 | stew | eatThisAndDie: (first is "what is available to me right now" the second is "what is availailbe in all debian suites, even though I might not (and should not) use" |
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| 03:47.33 | Hoopz | does getty have to be run by init? |
| 03:49.20 | peterrooney | Hoopz: not essential, but traditional for good reason. I suppose you could run them from rc.local. But what are you -really- trying to do? |
| 03:50.09 | mazzanet | grrr |
| 03:50.11 | mazzanet | hurry up full-upgrade |
| 03:50.45 | Hoopz | peterrooney: i'm just testing different baudrates, ports, etc. to try and get my serial terminal working |
| 03:50.59 | mazzanet | 800mb odd of packages to upgrade |
| 03:51.01 | Hoopz | and it's a pain to reboot every time :/ |
| 03:51.02 | pickcoder | wee terminals |
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| 03:51.13 | fly_ | sigh |
| 03:51.23 | fly_ | its grub legacy |
| 03:51.30 | fly_ | i installed grub2 it works now |
| 03:51.31 | pickcoder | Hoopz: just use setserial to change the port rate and parity/bit settings |
| 03:52.16 | Hoopz | pickcoder: okay thanks i'll try that |
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| 04:16.49 | lindenle | What is a good webcam utility? |
| 04:16.51 | lindenle | in kde |
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| 04:18.25 | TiMiDo | lindenle, use cheese |
| 04:18.29 | lindenle | ok |
| 04:18.45 | lindenle | !fail |
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| 04:48.05 | terryf | I think I'm getting the hang of this irssi split window thing :) |
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| 04:56.05 | Hoopz | pickcoder: setserial's man page doesn't mention parity settings.. |
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| 05:01.15 | vraa | http://pastebin.com/df652592 |
| 05:01.21 | vraa | do my changes seem valid? |
| 05:01.48 | vraa | my machine has 4 onboard adapters, doesn't reboot though, have to do ctrl+alt+del for boot up to finish |
| 05:02.19 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.11 | peterrooney | omg was that self-descriptive enough? |
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| 05:03.55 | fly_ | mmm fresh squeezed debian |
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| 05:04.35 | axisys | http://pastebin.com/f43d02a2b <- how can I tell if cpu is intel centrino or intel pentium |
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| 05:05.06 | fly_ | its c2d |
| 05:05.37 | axisys | fly_: that was not to me.. was it ? |
| 05:05.50 | fly_ | it was |
| 05:06.01 | axisys | fly_: whats c2d ? |
| 05:06.09 | krisfremen | core 2 duo? |
| 05:06.14 | fly_ | yup |
| 05:06.34 | fly_ | you can also look it up P8600 |
| 05:07.18 | axisys | fly_: well it is a new laptop with "intel centrino 2 inside" sticker.. |
| 05:07.37 | vraa | centrino is just the name of a combination of intel cpu and intel wireless, i think it also includes intel graphics |
| 05:07.41 | vraa | and intel chipset |
| 05:07.45 | axisys | fly_: but is there a way to tell from the OS ? |
| 05:07.49 | vraa | so you can have an intel centrino which has an intel pentium |
| 05:07.55 | somiaj | axisys: read line 5 of what you pasted. |
| 05:08.23 | somiaj | yea, I thought centrino was also something about integrated acpi and powersaving/mobil features. |
| 05:08.33 | vraa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino |
| 05:08.34 | peterrooney | axisys: apt-get install lshw; lshw -html > hw.html; konqueror hw.html |
| 05:08.43 | vraa | "It is not a mobile CPU - rather, the term covers a particular combination of mainboard chipset, mobile CPU and wireless network interface in the design of a laptop." |
| 05:08.50 | somiaj | axisys: really I don't see how it is much more clear than that. You have the output of /proc/cpuinfo just fine. |
| 05:08.56 | axisys | somiaj: i see.. but how do I know it is centrino from dmesg or someother way besides googling or looking at the sticker |
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| 05:09.34 | vraa | if you have all the other coressponding intel parts |
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| 05:09.42 | vraa | like the intel wifi, intel chipset, etc |
| 05:09.46 | somiaj | axisys: there are a few tools that will read id's off your hardware and tell you what it sees. but you posted the info form /proc/cpuinfo which clearly tells you even the model name and number of the processor you are using. |
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| 05:10.33 | vraa | "lspci" i think |
| 05:10.42 | fly_ | ^^ |
| 05:11.07 | somiaj | I find "lshw" giving better info |
| 05:11.30 | somiaj | lspci usually won't show you the cpu, it does show you the chipset, etc though. |
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| 05:13.14 | axisys | peterrooney: that html report is awesome.. not that it exactly says centrino.. but let me check the lspci as well |
| 05:14.33 | axisys | dmidecode is not bad either |
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| 05:14.56 | vraa | for me lshw gives me motherboard name, cpu name, network card name |
| 05:15.07 | vraa | so that should be enough to determine if you have centrino, maybe if there was a way to get chipset type |
| 05:15.15 | vraa | like CPU-ID in windows (cpu-z) |
| 05:17.04 | Wyzard | axisys: Centrino is a marketing term for certain combinations of Intel processor, chipset, and wireless card |
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| 05:17.21 | axisys | this hp 6730b does not support multi finger tap .. so there is no way around.. correct? |
| 05:17.40 | axisys | Wyzard: thanks |
| 05:17.47 | Wyzard | axisys: It's not a particular piece of hardware that you'll find in lspci or whatever |
| 05:18.21 | axisys | i know my touchpad does not support multi finger tap.. but wondering if there is still any workaround.. |
| 05:18.39 | khelvan | Hello, I have been running Ubuntu Studio 8.10 for a while, and I want to replace it with Debian. I have it separated into swap, /, and /home partitions. Can I just keep /home as it is and wipe / to install Ubuntu, or is it better to save my data and also wipe /home? |
| 05:18.47 | axisys | i know for fact this touchpad does not support multifinger tap |
| 05:19.06 | Wyzard | axisys: If the hardware doesn't support it, there's no workaround |
| 05:19.24 | krisfremen | axisys: please, do repeat it again.... |
| 05:19.29 | krisfremen | and i'll go berserk |
| 05:20.04 | axisys | may be hp can replace my touchpad w/ one that works.. hehe |
| 05:20.41 | axisys | i miss my multifinger tap that was working on my older laptop hp nc6220 |
| 05:20.51 | krisfremen | grrr |
| 05:21.13 | axisys | ok its way past my bed time.. later guys.. thanks for your help |
| 05:21.18 | krisfremen | slaps, bopz, bashes, tortures, kills, buries axisys |
| 05:21.19 | Wyzard | Seems strange that a newer laptop would have a touchpad that doesn't support multitouch, when the older one did |
| 05:21.27 | khelvan | Also, do I need to adjust grub somehow, or will it be replaced when I install Debian? Thanks, and sorry for the noobish questions. |
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| 05:22.39 | axisys | Wyzard: i checked w/ synclient -m 100 .. the f column always shows `1' for 1 finger.. it does not support 2 finger touch |
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| 05:23.14 | axisys | Wyzard: strange indeed |
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| 05:23.31 | gnukid | t123? |
| 05:23.35 | nic1 | hey i like to see the list of packages for my architecture, on de.debian.org, how can i see the list? |
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| 05:25.50 | ksnp | hi dc_relay_nets for exim4 package does not seem to be working ?! although this list is empty exim4 is allowing to relay mail |
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| 05:29.26 | mazzanet | ok i have a big problem |
| 05:29.35 | mazzanet | did a full-upgrade |
| 05:29.49 | mazzanet | did about 800mb of packages |
| 05:29.52 | khelvan | How stable are squeeze/sid? Are either or both suitable for audio/video production, for instance using kdenlive? |
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| 05:30.03 | mazzanet | now udev uses 100% cpu |
| 05:30.26 | mazzanet | and has 30 spawna |
| 05:30.27 | mazzanet | s |
| 05:31.25 | mazzanet | only useful message i can see is saying missing sysfs features |
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| 05:33.04 | mazzanet | oh. |
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| 05:33.09 | mazzanet | kernel version |
| 05:33.12 | mazzanet | great. |
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| 05:34.25 | nic1 | hey libxcb-aux0 debian package, is it available or not? |
| 05:35.10 | mazzanet | grr |
| 05:35.16 | mazzanet | i need to downgrade udev |
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| 05:41.49 | ksnp | what constitute external hosts ? if i have multiple interfaces, do all of them get included in localhost ? |
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| 05:41.52 | ksnp | this is for exim4 |
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| 05:43.20 | beardy | ksnp: No, none. localhost is loopback, a virtual interface that you have on any box, even if it doesn't have a network interface card of any kind at all. |
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| 05:43.58 | somiaj | khelvan: I use sid as my desktop and when it works its stable. But since things are constnatally changing an upgrade can take me a day or two to fix any bugs that may have snuk in. And in the past sid upgrades have broken many machines. |
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| 05:44.47 | somiaj | khelvan: standard advise is don't use testing/unstable for production. Beyond that it is possible to get things running fairly well, just be very weary of upgrades and pay attention. |
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| 05:46.30 | somiaj | khelvan: also you have NO security updates in testing/sid [and sid will get them far faster than testing as they have to filter down once the new package is introduced]. |
| 05:46.41 | mazzanet | like me right now with udev |
| 05:48.25 | khelvan | somiaj - Thanks! Is there a way for me to tell what package (for instance, kdenlive) version is in the repositories for each distribution? That is, find out if kdenlive 0.7.6 is in lenny, or squeeze, or sid... |
| 05:48.56 | somiaj | khelvan: packages.debian.org and you can search all version of debian there |
| 05:49.04 | somiaj | khelvan: also /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:49.35 | somiaj | khelvan: if you want just the kdenlive from sid but can run it on a lenny system, you can compile kendlive against the lenny libaries and then install the custom package |
| 05:50.26 | somiaj | khelvan: there are also some collections of backports of more popular software that people want to run on debian stable already put into a binary for you, but these are all third party and not debian |
| 05:51.01 | khelvan | somiaj - Yeah, it looks like 0.7.6 is only available in sid, and I don't want to have to go through compiling it (and melt, and ffmpeg, and...etc...) again, it is one reason I was switching from Ubuntu to Debian. I guess sid it is, then :) |
| 05:51.18 | khelvan | somiaj - I have had mixed results with 3rd party sources :) |
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| 05:52.43 | thims | does anyone know of a bug with vzctl-3.0.22-14 on debian lenny? it seems to be having some issues with vzpkgls |
| 05:52.57 | somiaj | khelvan: well 'you have been warned' about sid. I have used sid since 2001 as my desktop, but it has also given me headache here and there so take precaucions with your data and watch udates very closely |
| 05:53.08 | thims | I have tried a few symlinks from /etc/sysconfig/vz -> /etc/vz/vz.conf but so far what I have tried doesnt help much |
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| 05:53.23 | somiaj | thims: have you checked bugs.debian.org/vzctl |
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| 05:53.41 | somiaj | any known bugs should be listed there |
| 05:53.57 | thims | manually editing /usr/share/vzpkg/functions line 233 and making it /etc/vz/vz.conf makes vzpkgls just output a blank line |
| 05:54.10 | thims | not yet, I did some googleing and hadnt got anything solid |
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| 05:57.59 | thims | doesnt appear there is a bug |
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| 06:01.20 | ksnp | ok |
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| 06:08.02 | vraa | http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/Building#OnWindows |
| 06:08.04 | vraa | er wrong box |
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| 06:53.56 | TiMiDo | how do i unzip a .z file? |
| 06:55.42 | jmarsden | TiMiDo: for .Z you apt-get install ncompress and then use uncompress.real -- but a vague memory says .z and .Z are different ... |
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| 06:55.47 | Rienzilla | withI think with uncompress |
| 06:56.02 | Rienzilla | ah, beat me to it |
| 06:56.23 | jmarsden | Rienzilla: uncompress on Debian is the gzip one... uncompress.real is the .Z one. |
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| 06:57.55 | Rienzilla | oh ok |
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| 06:58.02 | Rienzilla | I haven't used that tool in centuries anyway :) |
| 06:58.16 | jmarsden | Right... .Z died out in about 1980 :) |
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| 07:11.55 | yang | troubled: around ? |
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| 07:12.06 | khem_ | chaiya stunnel # openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -config /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf -out /etc/stunnel/stunnel.pem -keyout /etc/stunnel/stunnel.pem |
| 07:12.10 | khem_ | error on line 1 of /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf |
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| 07:12.12 | khem_ | 5594:error:0E079065:configuration file routines:DEF_LOAD_BIO:missing equal sign:conf_def.c:366:line 1 |
| 07:12.15 | khem_ | what is the problem? |
| 07:12.34 | yang | khem_: check with #openssh |
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| 07:14.06 | majhool | i'd guess you were missing an equal sign |
| 07:15.11 | khem_ | and that menas? |
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| 07:16.45 | majhool | it's best to ask #openssh , but i'd guess that you have a configuration syntax error on line 1 of /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf |
| 07:16.46 | nsadmin | that you didn't put an equal sign in... ok, I'm not for sure what you're needing, as the error message is clear |
| 07:17.15 | majhool | yeah, that stunnel at least expects an equal sign on line 1 |
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| 07:19.34 | nsadmin | khem_: which language do you normally speak? |
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| 07:22.12 | khem_ | nsadmin: swedish |
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| 07:24.16 | nsadmin | khem_: would it work better if we could find you s swedish speaker? |
| 07:24.40 | khem_ | nsadmin: English works fine :-) |
| 07:24.59 | nsadmin | ok, if that's the case, I'm confused... |
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| 07:25.31 | nsadmin | and it looks like you are too, and I can't tell how |
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| 07:29.30 | nsadmin | I mean let's face it, this stuff's very technical and complicated |
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| 07:30.48 | nsadmin | but here's an example where it's telling you clearly you're missing an '=' somewhere on line 1 of that file |
| 07:31.20 | nsadmin | the point where I got confused is when you said "what does this mean" |
| 07:31.32 | khem_ | nsadmin: the problem was that the package i managed to get had one stunnel.conf and one stunnel.cnf |
| 07:31.43 | khem_ | and NOT a stunnel.cnf |
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| 07:31.58 | khem_ | which made me refer to stunnel.conf rather than stunnel.cnf which has the correct congiratuins |
| 07:32.12 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you found the problem |
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| 07:34.51 | techouse | what exactly does CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=X do? does it run an X number or parallel apps or does is tell the app to use that many threads in the same fashion as pthreads? |
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| 07:42.02 | miasma | is the netbeans package unmaintained? there hasn't been an update in a year or two |
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| 07:42.28 | TiMiDo | miasma, work on it |
| 07:42.38 | miasma | i see |
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| 07:43.10 | miasma | does ubuntu have totally different package policies. they have a more recent package |
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| 07:43.28 | TiMiDo | then change to ubuntu |
| 07:43.41 | miasma | k |
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| 07:44.50 | waka | there were some talk of it being ditched on debian |
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| 07:45.13 | dromer | how do I change the default xorg driver now xorg.conf is deprecated (on squeeze) |
| 07:45.23 | martin12345 | Am I right that "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" is exactly the same as "dhclient -r eth0 && ifconfig eth down && ifconfig eth up && dhclient eth0"? |
| 07:45.36 | miasma | waka: aye, it's not hard to install the upstream provided installer manually. i was just wondering why debian offers an outdated package for it |
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| 07:47.12 | waka | miasma:i think the issue is lack of maintainers am not sure |
| 07:47.31 | majhool | martin12345: i think it depends on what's in /etc/network/if*.d |
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| 08:03.37 | SUNNYNARULA18 | on compiling pidgin source and packing into a single debian, the control file had the following: |
| 08:04.02 | SUNNYNARULA18 | Provides: pidgin-data, libpurple0 |
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| 08:04.20 | SUNNYNARULA18 | Replaces: pidgin-data, libpurple0 |
| 08:04.52 | SUNNYNARULA18 | now the package is seperated into pidgin , pidgin-data and libpurple0 |
| 08:05.44 | SUNNYNARULA18 | but the problem is if we install say pidgin-data when the previous pidgin was already installed the following error occurs |
| 08:06.02 | SUNNYNARULA18 | Replaced by files in installed package pidgin ... |
| 08:06.14 | SUNNYNARULA18 | solution?? |
| 08:07.06 | martin12345 | majhool: ok, thanks! However, the ultimate network restart script should look something like this in my opinion when using DHCP: "dhclient -r eth1 && ifconfig eth dow && modprobe -r ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 && ifconfig eth1 up && dhclient eth1" |
| 08:08.12 | a_l_e | does anybody know what's the state of bluetooth support on debian testing? (last time i checked, i could not get my bt keyboard to connect...) |
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| 08:09.55 | liable | BT got an update in sid a while back, should be in testing by now. broke my bluetooth and came with no docs and a completely different way it works. |
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| 08:10.11 | liable | i still have the old stack on hold |
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| 08:11.01 | waka | martin12345: i have ipw2100 myself and problem solved as wel thanks |
| 08:11.02 | a_l_e | thanks liable. so i will have to go on tiping on my crappy dell keyboard and leave my nice apple bt keyboard in a corner :-( |
| 08:11.12 | a_l_e | i'll keep on waiting! |
| 08:11.29 | TiMiDo | lol |
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| 08:13.19 | majhool | martin12345: hmm, well you might start by looking in man 5 interfaces |
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| 08:13.48 | majhool | martin12345: pre-up and post-down are the hooks to investigate |
| 08:14.17 | a_l_e | mmh... "hcitool scan" sees the keyboard... |
| 08:14.25 | dromer | gah, it seems almost impossible to get a dhcplease with my xircom card :/ |
| 08:15.02 | liable | dromer: wireless? does iwconfig show it as associated? |
| 08:15.17 | dromer | no, lan |
| 08:15.32 | liable | oh |
| 08:15.42 | dromer | I also have a wireless card, but it's not supported (there is some ancient driver for 2.4 kernels, but it's very very old) |
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| 08:17.17 | nsadmin | dromer: what happens when you configure for a static IP inside your net\ |
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| 08:17.53 | dromer | hmmm, how can I do that? (haven't done so in over a year :#) |
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| 08:18.32 | dromer | nsadmin: btw, during the install-cd it configures immediately and connects to a mirror and such |
| 08:19.18 | nsadmin | oh really |
| 08:19.27 | nsadmin | and it's dhcp? |
| 08:19.29 | dromer | yes |
| 08:19.47 | nsadmin | so it's working, one thing for sure, it's not your card |
| 08:20.37 | nsadmin | maybe you could try different dhcp clients |
| 08:20.38 | dreamer | uhuh, yesterday I got a lease after some 5 tries |
| 08:20.51 | dreamer | I don't know which client the install cd uses |
| 08:20.54 | nsadmin | this lease came from what? |
| 08:20.58 | dreamer | but I assume it's also dhclient |
| 08:21.11 | dreamer | from the dhcp server |
| 08:21.17 | dreamer | where you normally get a dhcp lease :P |
| 08:21.25 | nsadmin | right, which is what machine? |
| 08:21.36 | dreamer | dunno, some machine of the uni somewhere |
| 08:21.57 | nsadmin | ok, so this is not on a private lan |
| 08:22.18 | dreamer | no |
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| 08:22.49 | nsadmin | I'd look in apt-cache for some different dhcp clients and try them out |
| 08:23.27 | nsadmin | anyways I'm out :) |
| 08:23.34 | dreamer | yeah me too |
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| 08:23.39 | dreamer | I'll look into it later :/ |
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| 08:35.47 | steve_j | morning all |
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| 08:35.50 | MickJohns | hi |
| 08:35.53 | MickJohns | im a gay rapist |
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| 08:36.02 | steve_j | anyone here got reportlab to build ok on Lenny (on EC2, FWIW) |
| 08:37.13 | steve_j | massive traceback here: http://dpaste.com/110081/ |
| 08:39.25 | ix | Is it possible to set a specific time amount in which the kernel has to boot before it reboots? I have a fault situation where a diskless debian machine tries to boot from NFS but gives up and instead of retrying prompts me to insert a floppy and press enter. I am perfectly able to avoid the error by editing the kernel code, but would love to avoid having to do this. |
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| 08:39.44 | waka | evening here |
| 08:39.52 | MickJohns | waka go fuck yourself |
| 08:40.03 | liable | ix: grub has a panick swith for that |
| 08:40.09 | waka | was talking to steve sorry Mick |
| 08:40.18 | liable | !ops please +b MickJohns |
| 08:40.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: please +b MickJohns |
| 08:40.45 | MickJohns | !ops im telling on liable for snitching |
| 08:40.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: mickjohns complains about: im telling on liable for snitching |
| 08:40.52 | ix | liable: separate from the panic argument? this is not a panic situation... |
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| 08:41.12 | liable | danke |
| 08:41.32 | RichiH | klined |
| 08:41.37 | liable | ix: oh, i went off half cocked after only reading half your comment :) |
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| 08:42.28 | pertl | hi! how can I dump the number of current file handles in debian, please? |
| 08:42.49 | liable | the what? |
| 08:43.07 | pertl | the number of currently opened files (= file handles) |
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| 08:43.25 | koollman | pertl: lsof, or fuser |
| 08:43.43 | pertl | thanks! :-) |
| 08:44.39 | steve_j | can anyone tell me why this build is failing? http://dpaste.com/110081/ |
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| 09:11.42 | waka | i meant Adobe flash |
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| 09:30.00 | sweetandy | I updated the kernel soon after new years and lost wifi support |
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| 10:00.12 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:00.12 | dpkg | < aios> eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless |
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| 10:00.38 | sweetandy | nine and a half months of no wifi, and I just got it working again! |
| 10:00.51 | sweetandy | It's three in the frickin' morning and it took an hour, but I DID IT!! |
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| 10:01.00 | sweetandy | I have never been happier in my entire life! |
| 10:01.20 | sweetandy | I had given up so long ago after I lost it after a kernel update, but here I am! |
| 10:01.41 | sweetandy | I'm in my back yard, sitting at a patio table, on my iBook running Debian Lenny. This is the LIFE. |
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| 10:03.27 | jelly | You could have procreated in that time. That would have been "getting a life". |
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| 10:03.52 | sweetandy | I don't think men can procreate on their own, so I don't think it would have worked. |
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| 10:04.12 | sweetandy | But now I can go to my LUG meeting in style! |
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| 10:04.38 | sweetandy | boo ya! |
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| 10:09.58 | tillin | hi |
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| 10:10.15 | sweetandy | hello |
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| 10:13.37 | beardy | jelly: Are you sure we want more people that takes 9 months to fix wifi.. |
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| 10:16.53 | sweetandy | actually at the time, I don't think wicd was available. the article I found was talking about Debian Lenny as not having it and having to backport it from squeeze. It wasn't until now that I even bothered trying again. |
| 10:17.07 | sweetandy | so I found the article and poof, now I have wicd. |
| 10:17.36 | sweetandy | so I don't think this solution was readily available at the time. |
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| 10:18.09 | sweetandy | anyway, I really should get to bed now, later y'all. And beardy, I'm sorry, but although I'm fairly fluent in linux, I'm still no master. |
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| 10:18.19 | sweetandy | It takes a while. ;) night |
| 10:19.52 | tillin | why this fork doesn't work in python --> for i in os.system("cat dictionary.txt"): s.send('VRFY ' + i + '\r\n') |
| 10:20.21 | tillin | sorry for, not fork xD |
| 10:20.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | ask in #python? |
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| 10:24.51 | jjosef | I'm attempting to package axis2c: bug#497594. The upstream source consists of a simple http server and an apache module. |
| 10:25.01 | jjosef | I think there should be four packages: axis2c, axis2c-dev, axis2c-doc, libapache2-mod-axis2c. Does that seem right? |
| 10:25.34 | jjosef | Can't find any guidelines |
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| 10:33.36 | kripz | locale-gen is missing from my system?? |
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| 10:37.28 | jelly | kripz: is package "locales" installed/ |
| 10:37.59 | kripz | no, unmet dependencies: locales: Depends: glibc-2.10-1 but it is not installable |
| 10:38.30 | jelly | kripz: that doesn't look like Debian. |
| 10:38.43 | kripz | it is. |
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| 10:39.02 | jelly | kripz: which release? pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 locales |
| 10:39.30 | kripz | jelly, http://pastebin.com/m6e94f6d |
| 10:39.40 | cantido | Is there anything like nullmailer but that can login to the remote SMTP server? |
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| 10:39.47 | draeath | http://pastebin.org/46646 |
| 10:39.49 | draeath | any ideas? |
| 10:40.23 | cantido | draeath: looks like a broken download |
| 10:40.30 | jelly | kripz: sid then. Wait until all of the newer libc appears. |
| 10:40.46 | kripz | jelly, can i install lenny's locale? |
| 10:41.23 | jelly | kripz: no, locales and libc6 packages have to match. Try doing an update. |
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| 10:41.53 | jelly | my mirror has both at 2.10.1-1 |
| 10:42.00 | jelly | (for amd64 architecture) |
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| 10:42.43 | draeath | anyone got any ideas why I would get http://pastebin.org/46646 while trying to do 'apt-get update' ? |
| 10:43.32 | Boohbah | draeath: try again? |
| 10:43.56 | cantido | draeath: the packages list is gzip, and it looks like what you're downloading too short which is causing gzip to fail |
| 10:44.27 | cantido | draeath: if you're using a proxy check that isn't causing the download to fail |
| 10:45.32 | draeath | no good, also tried ftp.us.debian.org |
| 10:45.34 | draeath | No proxy. |
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| 10:47.13 | draeath | i can wget and gzip -d the file manually with no problem |
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| 10:47.35 | draeath | er... and now it's magically working |
| 10:47.37 | draeath | how strange |
| 10:47.44 | jelly | draeath: what if you manually rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*{Packages,Release}* ? |
| 10:48.08 | draeath | is there any danger in doing that? |
| 10:48.12 | jelly | no |
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| 10:48.22 | draeath | "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*{Packages,Release}*" |
| 10:48.24 | draeath | correct? |
| 10:48.33 | jelly | that's what I just wrote, yes. |
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| 10:48.54 | draeath | same thing :/ |
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| 10:50.20 | draeath | hmm i wonder if it's a ram issue |
| 10:50.26 | jelly | draeath: are there any leftovers in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ ? |
| 10:50.45 | jelly | draeath: it could be, but you'd probably see random segfaults as well |
| 10:50.58 | jelly | or other erratic behaviour |
| 10:51.08 | draeath | that dir is empty... and no other strange behavior |
| 10:51.16 | draeath | I just md5'd a file a few hundred times, no deviant results |
| 10:51.18 | jelly | draeath: are the wgetted files ungzippable? |
| 10:51.32 | draeath | nope, gzip -d worked fine |
| 10:51.39 | jelly | oh, you said they were. |
| 10:51.52 | draeath | ah! it just worked |
| 10:51.54 | jelly | not unungzippable, just ungzippable :-) |
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| 10:52.16 | jelly | wgotten? |
| 10:52.21 | draeath | hmm i wonder what the issue was. another system did not have this issue at the same time, so I don't think it was the mirror(s) |
| 10:52.46 | jelly | it could be jsut one mirror in the DNS round-robin |
| 10:53.35 | jelly | eh, leave memtest86+ running for a couple hours :-| |
| 10:53.51 | jelly | I'd blame network first. |
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| 10:54.03 | ruben | Hello |
| 10:55.01 | draeath | ty guys |
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| 10:57.34 | mazzanet | ok today i did a full-upgrade and things have broke |
| 10:57.55 | mazzanet | how do i downgrade a package to whatever the previous version was? |
| 10:58.38 | Malmis | whats the problem when bootclean runs before the root partition is mounted as read-write? |
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| 11:00.39 | Malmis | and if i boot with read-write the root fsck won't work... |
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| 11:02.05 | mazzanet | okay |
| 11:02.18 | mazzanet | i need to find udev-0.141-1_i386.deb |
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| 11:04.01 | mazzanet | udev_0.141-1_i386.deb even |
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| 11:06.28 | mazzanet | woo hooray for google |
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| 11:08.19 | achilles | hello guys, I have an audio cd would like to convert it to mp3 files, how can I ? |
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| 11:10.03 | cantido | achilles: you can use grip, crip,.. or one of the other "cd rippers" |
| 11:10.20 | achilles | cantido, thank you very much |
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| 11:19.37 | Penix | !be sussudio barbie |
| 11:19.37 | dpkg | But sussudio is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 11:20.23 | mazzanet | grr kde is broke too |
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| 11:21.06 | Penix | maybe xfce can lend you some money... |
| 11:21.27 | Thms | hello, I just bought a 1TB hdd and I'd like to format it in EXT3 and use it as a media storage HDD. I use fdisk to format it but how can I get rid of this reserved space for root? |
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| 11:22.20 | Penix | Thms: by googling it and reading one of the many results |
| 11:22.28 | Penix | there are several howtos |
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| 11:22.57 | mazzanet | Penix: nono, i did a full-upgrade today, 800mb odd worth of packages |
| 11:23.00 | mazzanet | so many things broke. |
| 11:23.18 | Penix | mazzanet: sid? |
| 11:23.24 | mazzanet | yeah |
| 11:23.35 | mazzanet | no wait |
| 11:23.36 | Penix | !cluebat mazzanet |
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| 11:23.36 | dpkg | beats mazzanet with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 3! Read the DFSG at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 11:23.36 | mazzanet | squeeze |
| 11:23.57 | mazzanet | :P |
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| 11:29.01 | kampasky | Hi! How can I tell apt-get install not to put its arguments to the manually installed set and keep it in the autoremovable set? |
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| 11:30.09 | CharlyCoste | hi everybody |
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| 11:30.47 | CharlyCoste | I have a little problem with debian 5 and don't find any information about it |
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| 11:31.08 | Thms | What file system shall I use for a media HDD of 1TB that'll i only use on debian and share with windows/linux laptops ? |
| 11:31.43 | Penix | FAT32 is typically the norm |
| 11:31.47 | CharlyCoste | Whereas last versions of debian were working perfectly on my Mac mini... when I install debian 5 on it... I can't get the grub screen |
| 11:32.33 | CharlyCoste | does someone can suggest me some ressources about this kind of problem? |
| 11:32.41 | Thms | Penix: FAT32 doesnt handle files of more than 4Gb |
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| 11:33.04 | CharlyCoste | false Thms |
| 11:33.13 | CharlyCoste | Fat32 supports more than 4Gb |
| 11:33.25 | CharlyCoste | but when you do it with windows... not |
| 11:33.41 | CharlyCoste | I read something about it few months ago |
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| 11:34.06 | CharlyCoste | "false Thms"... I mean : "Wring! Thms" |
| 11:34.11 | CharlyCoste | Wrong ! |
| 11:34.25 | Penix | Thms: there's ntfs-3g with write support or the ext2 IFS driver for Windows |
| 11:34.29 | CharlyCoste | (sorry... I am loosing my english and my right typing) |
| 11:35.10 | Thms | mh |
| 11:35.20 | CharlyCoste | Actually the best way (I think) is to make FAT32 partitions on your 1TB hard drive |
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| 11:35.57 | CharlyCoste | I don't know the maximum size but I think you can reach some hundreds of GBytes |
| 11:36.06 | CharlyCoste | even with FAT32 |
| 11:36.14 | CharlyCoste | Try and see ;) |
| 11:36.16 | cantido | CharlyCoste: FAT32 can have FS bigger than 4GB but not single files |
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| 11:37.06 | CharlyCoste | well... sorry! I didn't catch the line about "files" |
| 11:37.17 | CharlyCoste | I thought you were talking about de FS |
| 11:37.27 | CharlyCoste | shame on me... |
| 11:37.30 | CharlyCoste | ;) |
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| 11:38.52 | cantido | make a small partition in FATn with the EXT driver maybe |
| 11:38.52 | CharlyCoste | nevertheless... no one can help about Debian 5 on my Mac mini ? |
| 11:39.00 | cantido | CharlyCoste: PPC or Intel? |
| 11:39.03 | CharlyCoste | intel |
| 11:39.18 | cantido | CharlyCoste: you can boot the installer directly if you have a new enough firmware |
| 11:39.34 | CharlyCoste | I can boot the installer |
| 11:39.47 | CharlyCoste | I press the alt key... choose the CD... and install |
| 11:39.47 | cantido | CharlyCoste: ok, so whats the problem? |
| 11:40.02 | CharlyCoste | the problem is that when everything is installed... |
| 11:40.28 | CharlyCoste | grub doesn't run |
| 11:40.51 | CharlyCoste | actually I have the white screen of the Mac "bios" |
| 11:40.55 | cantido | CharlyCoste: you install the MBR versions of grub.. |
| 11:41.00 | CharlyCoste | yep |
| 11:41.43 | CharlyCoste | I think that the BIOS doesn't reach the MBR |
| 11:41.43 | cantido | CharlyCoste: so you need to boot like you would a CD, option key(I think) on boot and select the partition, the mac will then drop into bios mode and boot like a PC |
| 11:41.43 | CharlyCoste | but it was working before... with Debian 4 |
| 11:41.47 | cantido | CharlyCoste: you should really install refit into your EFI partition |
| 11:42.09 | CharlyCoste | actually... I press alt... but it doesn't work neither |
| 11:42.29 | cantido | CharlyCoste: you get the option to boot from that partition though? |
| 11:42.52 | CharlyCoste | there is a folder icon with a question mark, flickering |
| 11:42.58 | CharlyCoste | and that's all |
| 11:43.14 | cantido | doesnt that mean it can't find macos? |
| 11:43.17 | CharlyCoste | just like if it didn't find my Hard Drive |
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| 11:43.33 | CharlyCoste | no |
| 11:43.40 | cantido | mmmmm maybe your firmware isnt new enough to boot from mbr |
| 11:43.46 | CharlyCoste | because it's workiung perfectly with ubuntu for instance |
| 11:43.57 | cantido | CharlyCoste: do you have osx on there too? |
| 11:44.00 | CharlyCoste | no |
| 11:44.07 | cantido | CharlyCoste: did you delete your EFI partition? |
| 11:44.18 | CharlyCoste | I think... |
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| 11:44.30 | Penix | !lose CharlyCoste |
| 11:44.30 | dpkg | CharlyCoste: You Lose. |
| 11:44.37 | CharlyCoste | I just use it as a standard PC |
| 11:44.50 | CharlyCoste | it's working this way with fedora, ubuntu, mandriva |
| 11:44.56 | cantido | I think you still need a partition where the EFI partition is though |
| 11:44.58 | CharlyCoste | and even debian 4 |
| 11:45.14 | CharlyCoste | well... thank you |
| 11:45.22 | cantido | you should install refit |
| 11:45.24 | CharlyCoste | I will look for information about this... |
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| 11:45.37 | cantido | its buggy but it makes life easier |
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| 11:46.19 | CharlyCoste | I will test |
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| 11:46.32 | CharlyCoste | but I am still surprised about this problem... |
| 11:46.32 | cantido | wishes GRUB-EFI worked |
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| 11:46.50 | roe | how can I tell what window manager I am using? |
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| 11:47.10 | cantido | CharlyCoste: another issue you may have is that when the mac drops out of EFI into bios mode the drives can be reported in a different reorder |
| 11:47.10 | CharlyCoste | don't know what kind of changes from debian 4 to 5 can have made such bug |
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| 11:47.16 | raziels | hi |
| 11:47.31 | cantido | CharlyCoste: but, that folder flashing thing sounds like some EFI bios thing |
| 11:47.36 | raziels | how can i know my hard disk filesystem? |
| 11:47.38 | smhar | is it possible to run kde 4 in lenny? |
| 11:47.46 | cantido | raziels: mount |
| 11:47.47 | CharlyCoste | candido :indeed |
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| 11:48.17 | cantido | I thought you got a flashy folder when the machine was expecting OSX to be there and then found it wasnt |
| 11:48.17 | CharlyCoste | it's the "mac bios screen" |
| 11:48.31 | CharlyCoste | so it must be related with EFI |
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| 11:48.43 | CharlyCoste | actually not really candido |
| 11:49.00 | CharlyCoste | because even if there is no macos ... it can work |
| 11:49.03 | cantido | has used osx for only a few hours, most of that updating firmware |
| 11:49.07 | smhar | raziels: mount if it is mounted, otherwise use fdisk or cfdisk to check.. be careful no to change anything |
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| 11:49.29 | CharlyCoste | maybe there is a bad compatibility between my firmware and the last grub version... |
| 11:49.41 | cantido | CharlyCoste: yes, but if so some reason it thinks OSX is there i.e no MBR partition table/boot record.. |
| 11:49.55 | raziels | smhar, thanks! i'll try =) |
| 11:50.09 | cantido | CharlyCoste: use the install cd to boot up your root and then try reinstalling gurb |
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| 11:50.14 | cantido | CharlyCoste: grub |
| 11:50.51 | CharlyCoste | install cd of mac os ? or debian ? |
| 11:50.56 | cantido | CharlyCoste: debian |
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| 11:51.09 | cantido | CharlyCoste: you can either use the rescue mode or root= kernel option |
| 11:51.27 | CharlyCoste | i will test it right now |
| 11:51.48 | cantido | OSX is useful to have around though because you need it to "bless" bootloaders |
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| 11:52.08 | CharlyCoste | just for information... I just booted my mac mini with the debian cd |
| 11:52.12 | CharlyCoste | and pressed alt key |
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| 11:52.22 | bohne | hi, iptables in debian lenny, does not start after reboot, is that true? |
| 11:52.23 | CharlyCoste | and now the only option I have is : "CD rom" |
| 11:52.47 | cantido | bohne: iptables isnt a daemon |
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| 11:52.54 | CharlyCoste | just like if it didn't recognise my HD |
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| 11:53.13 | bohne | cantido: because it is in the kernel? |
| 11:53.42 | cantido | bohne: yes, you use userland tools to control it, some of those tools are daemons |
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| 11:54.01 | cantido | bohne: you can also use a script like iptables save to save/reload your settings |
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| 11:54.51 | bohne | cantido: if there is a /etc/init.d/iptables, does that belong to a userland tool? |
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| 11:55.06 | CharlyCoste | anyway... thank you cantido or your help... I will test all that stuffs |
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| 11:55.25 | cantido | bohne: that script iirc reloads any rules you have saved |
| 11:55.36 | cantido | bohne: if you read the top of that script it will tell you |
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| 11:56.11 | cantido | CharlyCoste: most of the mac hardware works now though, so once you have it booting it should be good :) |
| 11:56.18 | bohne | cantido: ok so iptables is running permanetly, and init.d/iptables only loads the rules? |
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| 11:57.11 | cantido | bohne: iptables is part of the kernel, its not an application.. the iptables script (which I'm not sure is in debian post lenny) just loads any rules you have saved as far as I remember |
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| 11:57.26 | jjosef | http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#newpackage I'm looking at creating a package that has already been filed as WNPP. Is this bad form? It's been at least 5 months |
| 11:59.06 | bohne | cantido: ok , however it works, the default behaviour of debian is that after reboot no port is blocked at all |
| 11:59.28 | cantido | bohne: yeah, thats how it should be |
| 11:59.55 | cantido | why do you need a firewall if you dont have anything listening? |
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| 12:00.24 | bohne | cantido: ah ok |
| 12:00.58 | raziels | does ext3 support files of more than 4 gb? |
| 12:01.05 | cantido | bohne: also theres no way of telling what the user wants. Configuring iptables is a job for you ;~ |
| 12:01.09 | Penix | raziels: yes |
| 12:01.19 | raziels | Penix, thanks |
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| 12:02.51 | bohne | cantido: an unexperienced user may install lot of applications and nothing is blocked by default, that might be a disadvantage |
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| 12:04.05 | cantido | bohne: user applications dont bind to the special ports |
| 12:04.57 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 12:05.23 | Seb | what's a good replacement for camorama (it only uses v4l1, and my webcam uses v4l2) ? |
| 12:05.24 | cantido | bohne: only root can listen to ports below 1024, where things you might want to exploit are.. if they install network applications that connect to the outside a firewall isn't going solve anything for those applications |
| 12:06.35 | bohne | cantido: hm i see |
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| 12:08.59 | Penix | Seb: I use cheese with my eeepc 701. pretty sure it's using v4l2 |
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| 12:09.44 | Seb | Penix: lemme try that |
| 12:11.08 | Seb | Penix: perfect |
| 12:11.11 | Seb | Penix: thanks a lot |
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| 12:13.00 | vlt | Hello. Can I _transform_ an md raid 1 into a raid 5 w/o the need of copying all data back after? (Of course there's a backup). |
| 12:13.17 | OpenTokix | vlt: no |
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| 12:13.29 | vlt | OpenTokix: Ok, thank you. |
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| 12:14.02 | phanter | Hi there. I have a wireless problem. I pasted my errors here: http://pastebin.com/d2e4b87bf |
| 12:14.09 | vlt | And will the size of a raid5 change when I add another drive later or do I have do re-create it too? |
| 12:14.13 | a_l_e | liable: i succeded in pairing the bt keyboard... no idea how can i start it automatically, but i'm typing this with it :-) |
| 12:14.17 | phanter | Somebody who can help me fixing my wireless? |
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| 12:15.19 | vlt | phanter: What does `ifconfig -a` say? |
| 12:15.45 | Penix | phanter: like it says, there's no 'wlan0' device. are your wifi drivers loaded/enabled? |
| 12:16.52 | phanter | how do I check if they are loaded? |
| 12:17.10 | phanter | vlt: there only 'lo' and 'eth0' are mentioned |
| 12:17.19 | phanter | The card worked yesterday |
| 12:18.17 | vlt | phanter: Is it listed in `lspci`? |
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| 12:19.59 | phanter | I believe it is not mentioned. I added all output you asked here: http://pastebin.com/d279983f8 |
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| 12:21.45 | phanter | any idea ? |
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| 12:22.32 | keith4 | in lenny, if I plug in a camera, I get the "what do you want to do?" dialog box with "import photos" and "ignore" buttons. I check the "always perform this action" box and click ignore, but it asks me every time anyway |
| 12:23.04 | project2501b | hey guys, i added a pcmcia card to my laptop. i'm running squeeze. opera still outputs flash sound from the onboard soundcard. |
| 12:23.08 | project2501b | keith4: gnome sucks |
| 12:23.16 | project2501b | fucking macos-wannabes |
| 12:23.32 | jeff_hann | keith4: maybe you should click ok |
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| 12:23.42 | phanter | project2501b: everybody their own choice... not nice how you talk :( |
| 12:23.59 | jeff_hann | yeah, cool it |
| 12:24.02 | project2501b | phanter: that doesn't change the fact that gnome sucks |
| 12:24.06 | project2501b | sucks is a curse word? |
| 12:24.16 | jeff_hann | no, it's a trollish word |
| 12:24.16 | project2501b | oh, the f* is :) |
| 12:24.19 | project2501b | sorry :) |
| 12:24.33 | phanter | project2501b: did you try audio in KDE? That shows the full KDE power I guess (not!) |
| 12:24.51 | project2501b | phanter: i run enlightenment, kthanx |
| 12:25.12 | phanter | project2501b: I will when they ever get something finished ;) |
| 12:25.19 | keith4 | phanter: your wireless card isn't listed in lspci output |
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| 12:26.18 | eliask | Anyone here interested working at a hotspot project? |
| 12:26.18 | phanter | keith4: indeed, but I am puzzled about why! I used it yeesterday. I had no kernel updates at all (or any updates connected to wlan). How can it disappear? |
| 12:26.29 | eliask | Anyone here interested working at a hotspot project? (pm for details) |
| 12:26.51 | p0g0_ | phanter: it appears to be dead. It's not responded to the PCI bus scan. |
| 12:26.54 | vlt | phanter: Maybe it's broken |
| 12:27.03 | vlt | phanter: What card is it? |
| 12:27.07 | phanter | gr.. bought it 2 weeks ago :( |
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| 12:27.24 | p0g0_ | phanter: try changing PCI slots... |
| 12:27.25 | zeeble | hi. i have a dell inspiron laptop that has a core2 duo processor. should i install the 32 bit version or amd64? |
| 12:27.50 | keith4 | do you have a particular need for 64-bit debian? |
| 12:27.51 | vlt | zeeble: Depends on what you are going to do. I'd go for amd64 |
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| 12:28.04 | Sergio` | Anyone knows of a sip client that's easy to use and allows me to record conversations? |
| 12:28.13 | zeeble | vlt: thanks :) going to grab a netinstall image |
| 12:28.18 | phanter | there is no other pci slots.... I will go and try some other things.... thanks! |
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| 12:28.29 | keith4 | phanter: reseat it, at least |
| 12:28.47 | vlt | zeeble: You can debootstrap it too, but not chroot to it when running a 32bit kernel |
| 12:28.59 | p0g0_ | phanter: re-order the cards then, if you can. |
| 12:29.05 | keith4 | does one still have to jump through hoops to get non-free stuff to run in 64-bit? |
| 12:29.18 | keith4 | i haven't tried it in a long time |
| 12:29.19 | zeeble | vlt: nah, i'll run the 64 bit versin. for some reason, the laptop runs hotter on 32 bit |
| 12:29.47 | zeeble | i dont know what will happen with 64 bit, but i'm hoping it is better, from waht i have read on mailing lists |
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| 12:30.14 | RichiH | !find lomount |
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| 12:30.58 | vlt | Will the size of a raid5 array change when I add another drive later or do I have do re-create it the whole (larger) array? |
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| 12:31.13 | jelly | zeeble: "hotter" on 32bit linux, or on 32bit something else? |
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| 12:31.30 | RichiH | hrm, can it be that lomount is not in debian? |
| 12:31.38 | zeeble | jelly: on 32 bit debian stock kernel last time i was running it |
| 12:31.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lomount' returned no results. |
| 12:31.44 | jeff_hann | jelly: my guess is that 32 bit linux |
| 12:31.49 | jelly | RichiH: what does it do/ |
| 12:31.55 | zeeble | jelly: and hotter than 32 bit something else, ie vista :p |
| 12:32.04 | RichiH | jelly: mounts stuff loopback and can mount through partitions |
| 12:32.04 | vlt | RichiH: Don't know lomount, but sounds like mount -o loop |
| 12:32.05 | jeff_hann | it's about the CPU's instructions a 32-bit kernel can't see |
| 12:32.19 | RichiH | i.e. i can lomount --partition 2 |
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| 12:32.33 | jelly | RichiH: what does that... do? |
| 12:32.37 | RichiH | when i dumped a full disk instead of a single partition |
| 12:32.37 | zeeble | i've read on mailing lists that shiftign to 64 bit linux apparently keeps the laptop a little bit cooler on the model that i have |
| 12:33.00 | vlt | RichiH: That's ehat -o offset is for ;-) |
| 12:33.06 | vlt | s/ehat/what |
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| 12:33.28 | RichiH | vlt: offset is in bytes, not partition, though? |
| 12:33.30 | jelly | gives RichiH a kpartx |
| 12:33.30 | vlt | (though "--partition 2" sounds more convenient) |
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| 12:33.46 | vlt | RichiH: Yes, in bytes :/ |
| 12:33.53 | keith4 | vlt: mdadm raid5? |
| 12:33.58 | vlt | keith4: yes |
| 12:34.03 | RichiH | vlt: useless for me :/ |
| 12:34.06 | RichiH | i need to script stuff |
| 12:34.15 | keith4 | vlt: you can grow that, yes |
| 12:34.22 | zeeble | if i want to use debian for a more or less "desktop experience" which is like a full window manager, with open office, firefox and thunderbird , is "testing" a safe place to apt-get to? |
| 12:34.29 | vlt | RichiH: You can script that too using `fdisk -ul` for example |
| 12:34.45 | vlt | keith4: Ok, thank you. |
| 12:35.06 | keith4 | vlt: and then you can probably grow your filesystem, too. especially if you're using LVM. maybe or maybe not, depending on what filesystem it is |
| 12:35.21 | vlt | keith4: What other raid tools are there alse than mdadm? |
| 12:35.30 | keith4 | hardware raid? |
| 12:35.43 | vlt | keith4: Yes, I'm using fs on lvm on crypt on mdadm |
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| 12:36.04 | vlt | keith4: Aa, ok. Wouldn't have asked that in #debian |
| 12:36.11 | keith4 | oh. i don't know about the crypt layer |
| 12:36.24 | vlt | keith4: No problem with LUKS |
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| 12:36.35 | vlt | keith4: growing it, I mean |
| 12:36.39 | RichiH | vlt: true, but lomount is a _lot_ more convenient |
| 12:36.40 | keith4 | should be good, then |
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| 12:37.16 | vlt | RichiH: Where do you know lomount from? |
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| 12:37.58 | vlt | even can't find it on grml.org |
| 12:38.29 | keith4 | isn't that a RH thing? |
| 12:38.38 | keith4 | oh, no. maybe a xen tool |
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| 12:39.37 | jelly | it's not in default rhel 4 or 5 installations, but is fairly easy to work around with sfdisk and loop offset |
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| 12:41.11 | vlt | The only thing I'm missing in losetup is an upper limit/offset. Or is there one? |
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| 12:44.26 | unomystEz | I have mercurial 1.0.1 installed from lenny, I just added lenny-backports to sources.list, how can I upgrade mercurial from lenny to lenny-backports? |
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| 12:46.50 | keith4 | unomystEz: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 12:46.59 | unomystEz | yeah I got that, |
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| 12:47.42 | unomystEz | but do I have to uninstall the old mercurial then reinstall with -t lenny-backports or can I upgrade directly across trees? |
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| 12:48.02 | themill | tias! |
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| 12:49.29 | unomystEz | doing `apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade mercurial` tries to upgrade all packages from lenny to lenny-backports which I don't want obviously |
| 12:50.20 | jelly | unomystEz: "install mercurial", not "upgrade mercurial" |
| 12:50.30 | unomystEz | heh, just figured that out =p |
| 12:50.55 | unomystEz | I guess upgrade is a general command not targetted at specific packages |
| 12:50.57 | unomystEz | it worked, thanks |
| 12:51.17 | unomystEz | so for production systems, its best to stick with lenny as much as possible? |
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| 12:53.50 | mazzanet | hmm |
| 12:54.11 | FilipeMaia | Has anyone noticed the latex menu in emacs becoming empty? |
| 12:54.13 | mazzanet | kde upgrade and i've lost my laptop touchpad scroll? |
| 12:54.18 | FilipeMaia | Is seems like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auctex/+bug/456875 |
| 12:54.34 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone have a fix for it? |
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| 12:56.35 | abrotman | in ubuntu? |
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| 12:59.12 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: in ubuntu? |
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| 13:00.42 | FilipeMaia | abrotman, in debian |
| 13:00.50 | FilipeMaia | abrotman, but it looks like exactly the same bug |
| 13:01.04 | FilipeMaia | abrotman, i tried downgrading auctex but that didn't fix it |
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| 13:05.41 | valdyn | mazzanet: guess that kde upgrade included an X upgrade? |
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| 13:06.51 | \3TATUK | What's the easiest way to burn a 700MB AVI to a 700MB CDR to be dvd-standalone playable? |
| 13:07.15 | \3TATUK | What's the easiest way to burn a 700MB AVI to a 700MB CDR to be dvd-standalone playable? |
| 13:07.28 | ranix_ | !ask |
| 13:07.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:08.27 | \3TATUK | !answer |
| 13:08.27 | dpkg | [answer] when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect. |
| 13:08.54 | justin | \3TATUK: movix? |
| 13:09.02 | \3TATUK | i'll take a look |
| 13:09.10 | justin | \3TATUK: oh wait, you mean, play on a dvd player? |
| 13:09.31 | \3TATUK | yeah |
| 13:09.37 | \3TATUK | doesn't look suitable |
| 13:09.52 | justin | \3TATUK: get a dvd player that plays avi files |
| 13:10.04 | justin | \3TATUK: usually the cheap ones from china are great at this |
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| 13:10.25 | \3TATUK | eh, they might exist but i'm pretty sure standard dvd players like the one i have can read cdr movies as long as they're burned correctly |
| 13:10.34 | valdyn | \3TATUK: no |
| 13:10.43 | \3TATUK | i think the general process is to convert the avi to mpg then the mpg to iso then burn, but it's not so easy |
| 13:10.56 | valdyn | \3TATUK: except that most dvd players you can buy are not just dvd standard players but include support for avi |
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| 13:11.15 | \3TATUK | hrm |
| 13:11.16 | justin | \3TATUK: you can't just "convert" an avi file to mpg |
| 13:11.18 | \3TATUK | not sure i've tried |
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| 13:11.27 | \3TATUK | you can convert, with ffmpeg |
| 13:11.29 | valdyn | justin: why not? |
| 13:11.33 | justin | lol |
| 13:11.39 | valdyn | ( i can ) |
| 13:11.43 | justin | good luck getting your 700M avi file to convert to a 700M mpeg |
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| 13:11.47 | \3TATUK | i haven't tried the flat avi |
| 13:11.56 | \3TATUK | no no it wont be 700 mb i know that |
| 13:12.03 | \3TATUK | i'd have to split to multiple cds |
| 13:12.04 | valdyn | \3TATUK: you should read your dvd player docs to know if it plays avi files |
| 13:12.05 | justin | \3TATUK: go read the manual for your DVD player |
| 13:12.08 | justin | heh |
| 13:12.10 | valdyn | ! |
| 13:12.21 | \3TATUK | but so valdyn, you say just create a 'data cd' with gnomebaker and put the single avi on there? |
| 13:12.26 | themill | Most dvd players can play what they call a VCD |
| 13:12.31 | justin | even if it doesn't play avi files, the manual will tell you precisely which mpeg formats it will except |
| 13:12.32 | valdyn | \3TATUK: a 700mb avi converted to 700mb mpeg will look like shit |
| 13:12.36 | \3TATUK | plus i have no manuals for the dvd player, its a handdown |
| 13:12.48 | valdyn | \3TATUK: you cant use google? |
| 13:12.49 | justin | \3TATUK: look at the front of it, does it have a "DIVX" logo? |
| 13:13.09 | \3TATUK | assuming it does: just burn the single avi to a cdr and go ? |
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| 13:13.22 | justin | \3TATUK: worth a try |
| 13:13.24 | valdyn | \3TATUK: yes |
| 13:13.25 | \3TATUK | eh i have a burn of cdrs i'll try. thanks all |
| 13:13.58 | SMSshock | SMS BOMBER - CHITAJ CUZHIJE SMSKI - > http://tinyurl.com/yl5vfhu |
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| 13:16.08 | gothenburg | hello.. |
| 13:16.30 | ranix_ | how is the nick ranix already in use |
| 13:16.47 | mjt | ask nickserv |
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| 13:16.53 | gothenburg | ranix_: ghost it? |
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| 13:17.09 | ranix | test |
| 13:17.18 | gothenburg | Hi, if I should install my ATI-drivers is it in terminal or something? |
| 13:17.24 | gothenburg | as root? |
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| 13:18.19 | ranix | old leftoverscreen session |
| 13:19.11 | CharlyCoste | hey fellas |
| 13:19.36 | CharlyCoste | I fixed my problem with the mac mini |
| 13:19.36 | ranix | gothenburg: the open-source ATI drivers in lenny and above are good, I hear |
| 13:19.40 | ranix | gothenburg: "ati" or "radeon" |
| 13:19.51 | ranix | gothenburg: otherwise, use fglrx, which is a gargantuan pain in the ass |
| 13:20.00 | gothenburg | ranix: I have ATI radeon 9800 pro 128 mb from 2004 ;D |
| 13:20.17 | ranix | !ati |
| 13:20.17 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:20.26 | gothenburg | I have succeded 1/2 of the times ;D |
| 13:20.36 | gothenburg | !ati radeon |
| 13:20.41 | gothenburg | !radeon |
| 13:20.41 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 13:20.44 | ranix | !msg the bot |
| 13:20.45 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 13:20.59 | gothenburg | ok |
| 13:21.34 | CharlyCoste | Cantido : maybe my problem was that the partition table had not the right type |
| 13:21.37 | CharlyCoste | because Mac uses GID or something like that |
| 13:21.53 | CharlyCoste | I changed it and so now it's working |
| 13:22.04 | gothenburg | ranix: so I can use the radeon xorg driver? |
| 13:22.20 | gothenburg | xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 13:23.08 | ranix | yeah probably, I assume that driver was written as specifically for the 9800 pro as possible |
| 13:23.21 | ranix | it is the best and most widely used video card ATI has ever produced, you know |
| 13:23.41 | gothenburg | :-) |
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| 13:32.57 | zeier | Can all what I am playing in amarok be captured soimehow? (audacity or sth?) |
| 13:33.02 | gothenburg | trevlig helg |
| 13:33.24 | gothenburg | zeier: maybe you can record the sound card? |
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| 13:34.01 | zeier | What do you mean with record the soundcard? |
| 13:34.17 | komerad | heavenlo all |
| 13:34.23 | zeier | I'll redefine my question: can alsa output be captured via software? |
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| 13:34.59 | mazzanet | grrr |
| 13:35.04 | gothenburg | zeier: when I opened the alsamixer yesterday so... |
| 13:35.06 | mazzanet | amarok has changed its playlist format |
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| 13:35.29 | komerad | I try to install an old lenny on a computer with a lite-on bly ray station. The dvd boots but cant install (no drivers for the optical) does 5.03 has the blu ray drivers in the installer? |
| 13:35.38 | gothenburg | And with Audacity you can record the "wave out mix" aka. your soundcard |
| 13:35.57 | zeier | that would be great. My mixer doesn't show me "wave out". |
| 13:36.04 | gothenburg | ok |
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| 13:36.32 | mhall119|work | hi there, is the Debian-JR project still active? |
| 13:36.49 | zeier | gothenburg: In audacity I can select mic, front mic and line for recording |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | zeier: look at mplayer .. there used to be an app called vsound to do this also |
| 13:37.36 | abrotman | judd: versions vsound |
| 13:37.38 | judd | abrotman: vsound -- etch: 0.6-4.1 |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | apparently gone .. |
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| 13:38.02 | gravatar | hi, someone knows how can i block the access to pendrive to a specific user? |
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| 13:40.06 | abrotman | komerad: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 13:40.20 | komerad | thx |
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| 13:40.46 | abrotman | komerad: that's probably your best bet |
| 13:41.00 | jelly | gravatar: remote user? |
| 13:41.02 | abrotman | mhall119|work: uhm .. Ben used to blog about it .. i think he turned over the reins |
| 13:41.28 | jelly | gravatar: (re)mount the stick to only allow yourself access |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | mhall119|work: but i think it is .. |
| 13:41.47 | gravatar | jelly: local user |
| 13:42.16 | abrotman | mhall119|work: there is a #debian-jr on OFTC with five people in it |
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| 13:42.32 | jelly | gravatar: uh, what is stopping them from simply taking the stick? |
| 13:42.56 | abrotman | jelly: i think he meant to plugin and use on the local workstation |
| 13:43.14 | gravatar | jelly: tks, i'm leaving now |
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| 13:43.31 | ranix | what |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 13:43.47 | jelly | s?he'll be back! |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | is oozing with anticipation |
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| 13:46.26 | jelly | you're _always_ oozing... |
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| 13:46.31 | abrotman | that's medical |
| 13:46.53 | jelly | aniticipation, antibiotics, whatever! |
| 13:47.06 | ranix | hmm |
| 13:47.26 | ranix | I don't want this oatmeal any more |
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| 13:50.16 | mhall119|work | abrotman: OFTC? |
| 13:51.09 | rvsjoen | irc.oftc.net |
| 13:51.46 | gothenburg | helluntaikirkko |
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| 13:55.54 | gothenburg | bye |
| 13:55.58 | jelly | bye! |
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| 14:01.33 | McL0VIN | anyone here using dd-wrt |
| 14:02.07 | OpenTokix | McL0VIN: yes, and it's not debian |
| 14:02.46 | McL0VIN | OpenTokix: lol, ok just asking jeeezzz |
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| 14:07.07 | downhiller | hi |
| 14:07.23 | downhiller | does the firefox package from mozilla run under debian 5? |
| 14:07.28 | downhiller | i mean firefox 3.5 |
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| 14:10.28 | clarjon1 | my laptop |
| 14:10.30 | clarjon1 | it freaks me out |
| 14:11.18 | clarjon1 | i turned it off, because it was overheating, to find that 5 mins later it had powered itself on, logged into my desktop, had my kwallet open, my kontact/kmail open etc.... and it's changed my weak kwallet password to one of my stronger ones o.o |
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| 14:12.14 | liable | it powns you |
| 14:12.50 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 14:12.58 | clarjon1 | i don't have autologin enabled lol |
| 14:13.22 | cantido | clarjon1: kwallet shouldnt open on its own |
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| 14:13.27 | jelly | clarjon1: THERE'S SOMEONE IN YOUR HOUSE |
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| 14:13.47 | mhall119|work | shouldn't have apt-get install poltergeist |
| 14:14.12 | clarjon1 | jelly: I'm at work. I was at the water cooler, from which i can see my laptop. Plus, i'm the only person in my department who's not out sick. |
| 14:14.21 | clarjon1 | mhall119|work: oooh. So THAT'S what that package does... |
| 14:14.36 | mhall119|work | you'll have to apt-get install dan-aykroyd |
| 14:14.38 | jelly | clarjon1: that's what they want you to think. |
| 14:14.43 | clarjon1 | nah |
| 14:15.04 | clarjon1 | mhall119|work: my laptop is running better now :) plus i didn't have to fight with the work's wifi this morning :) |
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| 14:15.26 | mhall119|work | ah, so it was a fiendly ghost |
| 14:15.30 | clarjon1 | mhm |
| 14:16.08 | clarjon1 | ooh, i wonder if friendlyghost will let me install the printer drivers (been too busy to try ) |
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| 14:17.33 | clarjon1 | weird |
| 14:17.34 | guysoft42 | hi all, does anyone know how to make it so xmodmap will use alt+shift to change languages? |
| 14:17.48 | clarjon1 | my terminal windows like to open in /etc/modprobe.d o.o |
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| 14:23.10 | ranix | I once used the Debian installer to configure md during installation rather than doing it manually. However, I have a Lenny amd64 net install CD right now and I don't see any option for doing that in the installer. I used the "installer", not the "graphical installer". Do I just need a different image? |
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| 14:31.35 | thebloggu | can someone tell me how can i boot a full install cd of debian testing through usb drive? i followed the installation guide but all i get is: MBR FA: and it stops |
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| 14:33.58 | justin | thebloggu: press enter? |
| 14:34.15 | thebloggu | justin, nothing |
| 14:34.30 | justin | did something wrong then :) |
| 14:34.55 | ranix | use floppy disks |
| 14:35.02 | thebloggu | did it two times already, one with gparted, another from command line |
| 14:35.07 | ranix | that's how we used to do it back in my day |
| 14:35.11 | ranix | floppy disks piled this high |
| 14:35.14 | ranix | uphill both ways |
| 14:35.23 | thebloggu | ranix, im on a netbook |
| 14:35.42 | justin | thebloggu: well whatever you are doing, you're doing it wrong |
| 14:35.43 | ranix | I was kidding anyway. Re-check the installation guide |
| 14:36.03 | ranix | !usb install |
| 14:36.03 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 14:37.13 | thebloggu | justin, what initrd.gz and vmlinuz should i use? i used the one in the iso and after that the one in hd-media folder in debian's server (stable i think) |
| 14:37.23 | justin | thebloggu: yeah, definitely doing it wrong |
| 14:37.45 | justin | there exists pre-made images for usb sticks, just DD one to your drive |
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| 14:39.10 | thebloggu | justin, i am trying to use full cd because netinstall wont run because of the network hardware |
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| 14:39.33 | justin | the debian installer supports finding the iso on the usb drive |
| 14:39.40 | justin | you shouldn't be messing with kernels and ramdisks |
| 14:40.04 | thebloggu | justin, you mean this then? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 14:40.12 | justin | no |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | thebloggu: did you read the part in the installation guide about doing a USB install? |
| 14:40.32 | thebloggu | abrotman, yes |
| 14:40.47 | abrotman | For the first installation method you'll need to download an installer image from the netboot directory (at the location mentioned in Section 4.2.1, Where to Find Installation Images) and use the flexible way explained below to copy the files to the USB stick. |
| 14:41.14 | xoz | thebloggu: try this hint: http://stezz.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-etch-on-thinkpad-x31-via-usb.html |
| 14:41.15 | justin | abrotman: do you have to use the 'flexible' way to do that? |
| 14:41.19 | ranix | you could also (I personally find this much easier than installing from usb) simply yank the storage device and debootstrap |
| 14:41.41 | justin | ah I see, they make the FS 256M when you just dump boot.img on it |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 14:42.11 | justin | last time I did a usb install I happened to use the ubuntu img which was already sized for a 1G drive :-D |
| 14:42.35 | abrotman | cheater |
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| 14:43.06 | thebloggu | xoz thank you vey much, it worked |
| 14:43.10 | ranix | I once used ubuntu to debootstrap another partition with debian and then erased ubuntu |
| 14:43.19 | xoz | thebloggu: heh. thanks google for that |
| 14:43.19 | justin | thebloggu: so I guess you do have to mess with the kernel and initrd after all, but you need to use the right images |
| 14:43.24 | ranix | that was the most use I ever got from it |
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| 14:43.29 | justin | thebloggu: additionally, you probably forgot to run syslinux |
| 14:43.41 | xoz | is more comfortable with network pxe install than usb |
| 14:44.15 | thebloggu | justin, i didn't :) |
| 14:44.26 | justin | thebloggu: did you run it on the drive or the partition? |
| 14:44.45 | xoz | his problem is that he needs to indicate which partition is usb disk |
| 14:44.59 | thebloggu | partition |
| 14:44.59 | xoz | when the MBR FA shows |
| 14:46.03 | dreamer | hmm, what is the new way te configure X? I want to try a different driver (since my screen is not fully utilized with the current one), but there is no more xorg.conf |
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| 14:47.28 | jelly | dreamer: use X -configure to generate one |
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| 14:47.39 | jelly | !xorg config lenny |
| 14:47.39 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
| 14:47.53 | dreamer | jelly: sorry, I'm running squeeze |
| 14:47.57 | dreamer | !xorg config squeeze |
| 14:47.57 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 14:48.19 | dreamer | hmm |
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| 14:48.24 | dreamer | !xorg hal |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Xorg uses <hal> for configuration. You can now change the configuration for your mouse pointers etc without having to restart X and you don't need to configure the keyboard layout for console and X separately. This vastly reduces the amount of code duplication between kernel and Xorg which reduces the amount of "bloat"; why should Xorg try to work out what devices are attached when the kernel already knows? |
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| 14:48.25 | ankylose_ | hi |
| 14:48.25 | jelly | dreamer: yes. That part is still the same. |
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| 14:49.18 | jelly | dreamer: which driver are you using at present? What does "screen is not fully utilized" mean exactly? |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | dreamer: msg the bot |
| 14:50.24 | ankylose | i install debian on a ppc but bootstrap-base fail |
| 14:50.44 | smhar | greetings |
| 14:50.50 | smhar | what is sr0 device? |
| 14:51.21 | petemc | cd burner? |
| 14:51.23 | xoz | ankylose: more helpful if you can tell us the error message or logs |
| 14:51.26 | abrotman | smhar: SCSI cd burner usually |
| 14:51.35 | dreamer | abrotman: sorry |
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| 14:52.08 | jelly | smhar: or a sata cd/dvd drive, more likely these days than scsi |
| 14:52.13 | xoz | smhar: you can try live cd/dvd first to check if it works. |
| 14:52.29 | smhar | thanks abrotman, I do not know why I sometimes get I/O errors about it |
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| 14:52.41 | dreamer | jelly: not sure which is grabbed by default (the generated xorg.conf doesn't work anyway, I'll check why in a bit), but what I mean is I have a 1024x768 screen but only the center 800x600 is used, I've had this before some while ago, and I remember I had to use a different driver to make use of the full screen |
| 14:53.09 | ankylose | xoz, Configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed with error code 1 |
| 14:53.15 | jelly | dreamer: /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells which driver gets used (among other things) |
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| 14:53.31 | abrotman | smhar: bad CD? dying drive? bad cable ... lots of possibilities |
| 14:53.39 | Pnux | hey, has anybody heard a problem about downloading vlc from "http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main" while running on the testing branch? |
| 14:53.56 | jelly | Pnux: uh... ask vlc people? |
| 14:54.09 | xoz | ankylose: what debian version? what ppc hardware? |
| 14:54.13 | Pnux | jelly: i did, i ask here to cover more space |
| 14:54.14 | ankylose | and on top of this each packages is installed with this error E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes |
| 14:54.25 | abrotman | Pnux: vlc is already in debian |
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| 14:54.42 | ankylose | xoz, it is a netboot install and i have get stable release |
| 14:54.53 | jelly | abrotman: those are nightly builds created by upstream |
| 14:54.54 | Pnux | abrotman: testing has 1.0.2 and sid will have 1.0.3 in a few weeks, im getting an annoying bug with 1.0.2 |
| 14:55.05 | grn | My evince stopped saving settings. It always starts with the thumbnails panel opened. |
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| 14:55.14 | grn | What can I do about that? |
| 14:55.14 | ankylose | xoz, from this url ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot |
| 14:55.24 | abrotman | Pnux: if you want to know about their builds and issues using them, ask them .. or just try it, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces |
| 14:55.27 | xoz | ankylose: what ppc machine? |
| 14:55.46 | ankylose | iMac G3 |
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| 14:57.12 | Pnux | abrotman: they told me it was fixed on 1.0.3, i cant really afford to break my system, so was just checking if there was a reason not to do it |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | Pnux: if they don't know, you'll just have to try it |
| 14:57.43 | xoz | ankylose: you are sure your hw are ok? hard disk has no issues before? |
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| 14:57.58 | Pnux | abrotman: i mean from a debian point of view, not vlc's |
| 14:58.05 | lindenle | Is there a way to verify an installed deb? i.e. an md5sum or something? |
| 14:58.19 | dreamer | jelly: I think it uses the Trident driver |
| 14:58.26 | ankylose | xoz, no issue the installation crash at 76% |
| 14:58.26 | abrotman | Pnux: i think we told you already ... |
| 14:58.28 | petemc | lindenle: debsums |
| 14:58.41 | lindenle | petemc: ah right ...THX |
| 14:58.45 | Pnux | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 14:58.59 | xoz | might be network related? |
| 14:59.05 | kf | ahoy |
| 14:59.08 | xoz | ankylose: ^^ |
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| 14:59.11 | kf | kexec is broken since I boot straight via EFI instead of Bios emulation on my macbook : it hangs when rebooting or kexecing another kernel. Anyone with a similar problem? |
| 14:59.12 | jelly | dreamer: hm, can you pastebin the log file. |
| 14:59.15 | abrotman | Pnux: if you really want your issue fixed, you'll just have to try it |
| 14:59.28 | ankylose | xoz, i am going to test with debian testing now |
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| 15:00.04 | jelly | Pnux: you might or might not be able to make a backport by yourself, using /msg dpkg ssb and /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 15:00.34 | Pnux | jelly: thanks :] |
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| 15:00.57 | xoz | ankylose: you can try again with stable and check if the bug occurs at the same point. if different point, then maybe network related or hardware related. |
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| 15:01.16 | ankylose | xoz, i have allready do that |
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| 15:01.28 | xoz | ankylose: same point? |
| 15:01.30 | ranix | ankylose: I have had similar issues to that when I had a bad stick of ram |
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| 15:01.32 | ankylose | yes |
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| 15:02.27 | jelly | Pnux: get an upstream tarball, get debian's sources (apt-get source vlc, using sid deb-src), use uupdate to mix the two |
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| 15:02.45 | dreamer | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m59d15266 |
| 15:02.47 | ankylose | ranix, maybe :/ |
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| 15:04.14 | jelly | dreamer: (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) |
| 15:04.25 | dreamer | strange |
| 15:04.27 | jelly | dreamer: make X use 16 bits per pixel, then |
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| 15:05.01 | dreamer | ok, how do I do that? |
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| 15:06.24 | jelly | dreamer: Section "Screen", DefaultDepth 16 I guess |
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| 15:07.04 | dreamer | after I generate an xorg.conf I asume .. the weird thing is when I run X with one of those it doesn't work (only black screen) |
| 15:07.07 | jelly | dreamer: well, you actually have just enough RAM for 24bpp. Ask #xorg how to set up 26bit color with 24bpp (instead of 32bpp default) |
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| 15:07.22 | jelly | s/26/24/ |
| 15:07.50 | digifor | How do I install openoffice.org writer, calc and impress only? |
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| 15:08.51 | dreamer | jelly: hmm, there is no default depth, I'll add it and see what happens |
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| 15:10.59 | Roland- | hey, is there a way to hack/modify linux uptime? supress like 50 days? |
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| 15:11.20 | dreamer | jelly: hmm, doesn't work. don't see anything in the xorg.0.log either |
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| 15:11.23 | thebloggu | justin, i am downloadn all the files here except gtk folder. can you please give me the steps for me to install it in my usb? |
| 15:11.47 | thebloggu | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 15:11.55 | thebloggu | downloading* |
| 15:12.01 | mibb_ | hi, can anyone suggest a tool for directory monitoring? I need to check the size of a dir if someone moves a file into it |
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| 15:12.16 | the-dude | mibb_: watch :) |
| 15:12.52 | gothenburg | I installed extremetuxracer how to play it? |
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| 15:13.27 | mibb_ | the-dude: is this reliable as a demon? |
| 15:13.27 | xoz | gothenburg: dpkg -L extremetuxracer | grep bin |
| 15:13.53 | clarjon1 | it should be in /usr/games |
| 15:14.21 | thebloggu | i am downloading all the files here except gtk folder. can you please give me the steps for me to install it in my usb? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 15:14.22 | XLV | i have been getting this error http://nerdbynature.de/s9y/index.php?/archives/45-eth0-too-many-iterations-6-in-nv_nic_irq.html .. i found here http://atlanticlinux.ie/blog/?p=134 that apart from issuing options forcedeth max_interrupt_work=10 i need to update-initramfs .. is it so? and where should i write the extra options for the modules? in /etc/modules ? i dont see a modules.conf file in /etc .. debian 5.0.3 |
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| 15:15.17 | valdyn | XLV: modules.conf is obsolete, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 15:15.33 | XLV | valdyn, named? modules or modules.conf? |
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| 15:15.46 | valdyn | XLV: named whatever you want |
| 15:15.46 | the-dude | mibb_: its not really a daemon I think read man watch for details |
| 15:15.52 | XLV | valdyn, also the update in initramfs i guess its needed |
| 15:15.59 | mibb_ | k |
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| 15:16.43 | XLV | valdyn, all files inside modprobe.d/ are parsed i guess? |
| 15:16.47 | gothenburg | I have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon and libgl1-mesa-dri but the 3d support isn't good |
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| 15:17.00 | abrotman | thebloggu: is that the one the install guide told you to get ? |
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| 15:17.16 | thebloggu | abrotman, yes, i believe |
| 15:17.23 | abrotman | make sure |
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| 15:17.57 | thebloggu | yes, it is |
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| 15:20.33 | dreamer | jelly: hmm, I added 'Modes "1024x786"' manually to the 16bit section, and Xorg.0.log says "(II) TRIDENT(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name)" now |
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| 15:22.23 | ranix | OK so neither the net install nor the first installation CD for Lenny seem to have a "manually partition with RAID" option that I was familiar with from etch. How is md RAID configuration accomplished during installation on Lenny? |
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| 15:25.17 | ranix | whoops |
| 15:25.20 | ranix | nevermind I figured it out |
| 15:25.23 | ranix | drr |
| 15:25.24 | dreamer | haha |
| 15:25.55 | XLV | valdyn, so i write eg a text file options in /etc/modprobe.d containing the above line, then i do what? depmod -a, rmmod forcedeth, modprobe forcedeth, update-initramfs -u ? |
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| 15:28.26 | valdyn | XLV: modprobe -r forcedeth && modprobe forcedeth |
| 15:28.38 | valdyn | XLV: update-initramfs too - for the next reboot |
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| 15:29.06 | XLV | valdyn, rmmod forcedeth and then modprobe forcedeth doesnt it have same effect? i already issued them |
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| 15:29.21 | sepult` | eww xen |
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| 15:29.47 | _echa | hey there i was here with an XDMCP keymapping issue the other day, I have resolved it by using Xmodmap to fit my local keypresses to the remote system, but i |
| 15:29.51 | XLV | valdyn, there are some connections active.. dont want to bring eth up and down again if i dont have too |
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| 15:30.04 | _echa | have a further problem: the remote system appears to expect Xorg keycode - 1, i only had problems with Shift_L and Control_L so i remapped those , but now Enter doesn't work |
| 15:30.39 | _echa | is there a way to remap the whole keyboard keycode - 1 ? and will that screw anything up locally, or can I do it just for running one remote application that doesn't play nice with Xorg? |
| 15:31.11 | _echa | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.30 | XLV | valdyn, ? |
| 15:31.33 | _echa | so my Control_L sends 37 and the remote app wants 36 |
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| 15:32.47 | valdyn | XLV: you cant reload forcedeth without bringing the connections down |
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| 15:33.50 | XLV | valdyn, i know, i already issued rmmod forcedeth, and modprobe forcedeth. does it have same effect as modprobe -r forcedeth && modprobe forcedeth, or i need to issue modprobe -r forcedeth && modprobe forcedeth ? |
| 15:34.10 | xoz | !rmmod |
| 15:34.11 | dpkg | it has been said that rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
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| 15:36.23 | jayo | is there a template/guide/tutorial for making /etc/init.d/script files? |
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| 15:37.15 | jayo | petemc: thank you |
| 15:37.19 | petemc | np |
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| 15:40.52 | mhymn | !startup |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | somebody said init.d was where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>. |
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| 15:46.45 | jayo | petemc: nothing happends when i stop the script, how does it check for PID files? does it create them itself or does it want the application to create the PID files? |
| 15:46.54 | jayo | start works fine |
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| 15:47.35 | trelarass | hi i found this website that i would like to share with you guys.. you can book online in realtime and have sex !! or become a male/female escort and make money!!havent tested it yet (booked someone ) but looks cool goto www.electronicvisits.com (go to search providers) ;) |
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| 15:48.03 | emachado | hi guys, it seems snapshot is no longer used... this is true? |
| 15:48.17 | emachado | i mean, snapshots.debian.net |
| 15:48.24 | hark | yes |
| 15:48.34 | emachado | is there any other place where I could find old version packages? |
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| 15:48.46 | abrotman | not very likely |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | if it was the last version, someone might have it in their cache |
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| 15:49.16 | jayo | emachado: look for old mirrors |
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| 15:49.25 | jayo | emachado: outdated FTPs |
| 15:49.33 | jayo | if you are lucky... |
| 15:49.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: have you heard of the reason why they did that? i imagine not enough time/energy is a factor? |
| 15:50.07 | emachado | jayo, hmmm... would you know some old one? |
| 15:50.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: they had a disk failure IIRC ... and they lost a few months or something like that |
| 15:50.13 | sigmonsays | Hrm, i'm trying to automate the configuration of locale (all commands are not interactive). However, updating /etc/locale.gen and local-gen do not fix perl warnings. Any ideas, wikis, etc ? |
| 15:50.16 | abrotman | emachado: for which package ? |
| 15:50.19 | sigmonsays | inserts foot in mouth |
| 15:50.29 | emachado | abrotman, libgtk2 |
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| 15:50.36 | jayo | emachado: google is the best way to go about, search for theexact number you are looking for |
| 15:50.45 | jayo | (if its a package) |
| 15:50.50 | abrotman | emachado: you might want to specify a version too |
| 15:51.03 | jayo | exactly |
| 15:51.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: that was a while ago, wasn't it? |
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| 15:51.17 | emachado | jayo, abrotman, alright, I'll try that... tks guys! |
| 15:51.19 | Thms | I have an EXT3 HDD that I want to use as a media HDD, how can I mount it for it to be writeable by my "thomas" user ? |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: yeah .. i think they ran out of disk space at some point .. ISTR seeing something about it |
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| 15:51.33 | jayo | emachado: what are you looking for? |
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| 15:51.39 | acu | my /usr is full and I cannot install anymore programs - I have a logical partition 100 GB - but strangely enough I cannot shrink it with QT Parted - what can I do with the /usr |
| 15:51.52 | dcestari | hi! I have a problem with debian testing (squeeze) where is vol_id ? udev package does not have one |
| 15:52.05 | acu | The 100GB partition is almost empty |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | i mean .. he might be able to rebuild the package with git/svn stuff .. but might be a bit too much work ? |
| 15:52.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: ooh ok. too bad. if i was rich... |
| 15:52.35 | abrotman | acu: you filled 100GB in /usr/ ? |
| 15:52.40 | ranix | dcestari: vol_id is in udev |
| 15:52.42 | mhymn | Thms: man mount? |
| 15:52.52 | ranix | dcestari: should be in /sbin/ |
| 15:53.03 | clarjon1 | abrotman: no, he said his /usr is fully, but he has a 100gb logical partition that he wants to resize... but it's not letting him... |
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| 15:53.06 | clarjon1 | *full |
| 15:53.14 | ranix | dcestari: I am using lenny though- find out with apt-file search vol_id |
| 15:53.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: i've seen random blurbs about it .. an ftp-master may know more |
| 15:53.31 | dcestari | ranix: you are right |
| 15:53.31 | simonrvn | *nods* thanks |
| 15:53.32 | clarjon1 | acu: Have you tried resizing it from a LiveCD? |
| 15:53.34 | emachado | jayo, well, there is package I use here that was broken with the lastest libgtk update (to 2.18)... I'd like to try downgrading those packages to double check this |
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| 15:53.43 | abrotman | simonrvn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2008/08/msg00060.html |
| 15:53.52 | jayo | hwo do i troubleshoot why my /etc/init.d/script is not stopping ? |
| 15:53.55 | simonrvn | thanks :) |
| 15:54.00 | jayo | i get nothing in the terminal |
| 15:54.06 | jayo | but the process is still running |
| 15:54.16 | syslq | I have 2 drives and I wish to manage them as single logical unit (using vlm2), what happens if one of them fails? All data is lost I guess? |
| 15:54.23 | acu | clarjon: good Ideea maybe I should try with Knoppix |
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| 15:54.28 | jayo | not used to these fancy startup scripts |
| 15:54.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: that was over a year ago .. go bug Ganneff :) |
| 15:55.03 | clarjon1 | acu: best of luck! |
| 15:55.11 | acu | abrotman: the /usr is 4.6 GB is full the /HDD100GB is almost empty |
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| 15:55.23 | simonrvn | abrotman: i might just :P |
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| 15:56.01 | dcestari | ranix: is not there on squeeze :S |
| 15:56.06 | abrotman | acu: they make this handy thing called LVM |
| 15:56.11 | abrotman | kind of late now i guess |
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| 15:56.42 | acu | can I do it now - I thought LVM is best done when you install the Operating system |
| 15:56.47 | syslq | abrotman: speaking of vlm is my thinking correct? |
| 15:56.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:56.58 | acu | !tell acu about LVM |
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| 15:57.11 | abrotman | !tell acu about selftell |
| 15:57.20 | syslq | abrotman: you have 2 lvm drives in lvm group and one fails, you loose all data? |
| 15:57.31 | abrotman | use a backup? |
| 15:57.53 | syslq | abrotman: I'm just asking if that is correct? |
| 15:58.09 | jayo | why does the /etc/init.d/skeleton say that i cant use set -e |
| 15:58.14 | dcestari | anyone knows a replacement for udev's vol_id? I'm using debian/testing and vol_id has been removed |
| 15:58.15 | jayo | how am i supposed to troubleshoot |
| 15:58.17 | syslq | abrotman: yeah using backup is always good idea but if this is true,vlm only makes sense with raid |
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| 15:58.49 | justin | jayo: it does not say that you can't use set -e |
| 15:59.02 | jayo | # Do NOT "set -e" |
| 15:59.05 | acu | I was always avoiding LVM because it can become a mess - you would not know which hard disk has which part of data - it seem it is anavoidable |
| 15:59.07 | Titan8990_ | syslq, lvm makes sense anytime you want to easily alter partition sizes |
| 15:59.18 | justin | telling you not to do something is not the same as saying you can't do it |
| 15:59.30 | Titan8990_ | acu, if you add two disks to the same pv, yes |
| 15:59.39 | jayo | justin: oh, you mean cant as in not possible, ok sorry |
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| 16:00.13 | justin | jayo: you don't even need to modify the script, just run sh -e /etc/init.d/foo |
| 16:00.17 | acu | Titan: what is pv |
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| 16:00.41 | jayo | justin: thanks :) i did ont know that |
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| 16:01.03 | jayo | justin: but set -e did not help me though, since the script does not break, it just does not what its supposed to |
| 16:01.10 | Titan8990_ | acu, a physical volume |
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| 16:01.25 | Titan8990_ | acu, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/pv.html |
| 16:01.28 | jayo | justin: when i run /etc/init.d/script start, it starts up in daemon mode, but when i do the stop command nothing happends |
| 16:01.40 | jayo | justin: trying to figureout why |
| 16:01.52 | justin | jayo: nothing? |
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| 16:02.08 | jayo | justin: nothing in stout, and the process is still running |
| 16:02.09 | xoz | jayo: trace it |
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| 16:02.27 | greycat | jayo: sh -x /etc/init.d/yourscript stop |
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| 16:02.33 | greycat | that will show you what it's doing |
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| 16:02.50 | Titan8990_ | acu, basically you take a physical partition or hard disk and you add it to a physical volume. from within the physical volume you can create logical volumes which are your end partitions |
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| 16:02.58 | justin | ah yeah, -e is not for debugging, -x is |
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| 16:03.15 | jayo | greycat: what kind of voodoo command is that |
| 16:03.19 | greycat | Titan8990_: I think you mean volume group, not physical volume |
| 16:03.19 | jayo | wow |
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| 16:03.30 | rgammans | Titan8990_, Thats a volume group. (vg) a Pv is a single device (normally) |
| 16:03.37 | justin | jayo: that is what I thought you were doing in the first place |
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| 16:03.50 | justin | running a script with sh -e doesn't make much sense :) |
| 16:04.01 | jayo | it does |
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| 16:04.05 | greycat | running it with -e might make it abort when it shouldn't |
| 16:04.06 | jayo | it stops it when it breaks |
| 16:04.11 | jayo | oh not sh set |
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| 16:04.19 | jayo | greycat: exactly |
| 16:04.23 | greycat | jayo: "sh -e" and "set -e" end up doing the same thing. |
| 16:04.30 | jayo | greycat: yes i saw that now |
| 16:04.35 | jayo | thanks for the x command |
| 16:04.57 | justin | greycat: true, but that makes it entirely useless :) |
| 16:05.03 | acu | Titan8990_, but when any hard disk fails - you will not know which one is which - that's was my biggest reticence for LVM - it seem that you have to have a very clear log inventory of what physical hard disk is in which volume - |
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| 16:05.21 | justin | sh -ex will actually tell you something, sh -e by itself the script will just exit |
| 16:05.48 | xoz | notes that dash does not support arrays |
| 16:05.59 | greycat | right, arrays are ksh/bash only |
| 16:06.15 | Thms | which RAID poossibilites do I have if I have a 500gb HDD and a 1Tb HDD ? |
| 16:06.17 | xoz | greycat: any future plans to support it? |
| 16:06.29 | xoz | greycat: my script broke because of this |
| 16:06.31 | rgammans | acu, why not just pvmove everything off the failing disk [not guaranteed in the case of uncorrectable badblocks unfortuantely). Or use raid underneath . ;-). |
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| 16:06.35 | greycat | xoz: if you need features that are not defined in POSIX, then you shouldn't be using dash |
| 16:06.53 | greycat | change your shebang line to #!/bin/bash |
| 16:06.55 | jayo | hmm this is the output |
| 16:06.56 | jayo | http://pastebin.org/46709 |
| 16:07.09 | jayo | greycat: what do the + mean? |
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| 16:07.13 | ranix | is there a good way to import all users and groups from one system to another? Should I simply copy /etc/skel and /etc/shadow from one to the other, or is there a more correct way |
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| 16:07.36 | xoz | greycat: so it is not posix. problem is im used to call sh instead of bash in my scripts... and squeeze defaults to dash now |
| 16:07.42 | greycat | jayo: it prints + before each command at the outermost depth. If it prints more than one + sign, the command is in some inner context like a for loop or something. |
| 16:07.55 | jayo | greycat: ok |
| 16:08.01 | ruben23 | hi, what is the equivalent command of locate on debian server..? |
| 16:08.06 | greycat | xoz: if you use non-POSIX features, you must use a shebang line that indicates the shell that can handle them |
| 16:08.12 | greycat | ruben23: locate |
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| 16:08.39 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.45 | xoz | greycat: now, that is clear. thanks. i have to change my habit. |
| 16:08.46 | ruben23 | it can find |
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| 16:09.01 | xoz | ruben23: slocate? |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | ruben23: what error do you get? |
| 16:09.15 | xoz | ruben23: apt-cache search locate... maybe mlocate |
| 16:09.20 | greycat | ruben23: if the installation is less than a day (week?) old you might want to run "updatedb" yourself (as root) |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | syslq: that's not quite the point of LVM |
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| 16:09.34 | xoz | yeah, updatedb also |
| 16:09.57 | jayo | xoz: you told me to trace it, ive done that now but im not sure i understand why its not working |
| 16:10.18 | ruben23 | greycat: no error it just cant find my file, yeah i already run updatedb--but ill try mlocate and slocate |
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| 16:10.36 | ruben23 | mlocate and slocate do used updatedb still..? |
| 16:10.36 | dcestari | blkid it is then. instead of vol_id -u blkid gives the same information |
| 16:10.59 | greycat | ruben23: if the file is in a directory that doesn't have world read permissions, etc., then updatedb won't store it, because that would be a security problem |
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| 16:11.28 | xoz | jayo: try put a stub to check. you have also to interpret what the script does and check if it does wht it is supposed to do. try printing or echoing the variables it uses. |
| 16:11.28 | jelly | dcestari: watch out for blkid leftover cache files in /etc/blkid.tab* |
| 16:11.31 | greycat | jayo: ugh, start-stop-daemon.... I never use that. |
| 16:11.42 | dcestari | jelly: thanks |
| 16:11.48 | jayo | xoz: what is 'stub' |
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| 16:12.02 | jayo | greycat: i am only using what i was told to use (/etc/init.d/skeleton) |
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| 16:12.05 | greycat | jayo: at least it appears it's *trying* to stop the script because it's running start-stop-daemon - -stop |
| 16:12.14 | jayo | yes |
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| 16:12.18 | greycat | minus that extra space |
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| 16:13.06 | xoz | jayo: i mean, like a marker. |
| 16:13.20 | greycat | jayo: you might have to read the start-stop-daemon documentation to figure out how it works. I don't know the details of it. |
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| 16:13.37 | abrotman | stupid bots .. come up with better nicks |
| 16:13.47 | jayo | greycat: i guess you are right, hehe |
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| 16:14.26 | ruben23 | greycat:----->i got this file -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 595884 2009-10-20 13:27 BUDZ_20091020-162551_5163497159-all.wav |
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| 16:14.34 | greycat | congratulations? |
| 16:14.34 | xoz | jayo: usually, the stop daemon checks the running process id and SIGHUP it or send a stop signal. |
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| 16:14.40 | userek | hello |
| 16:14.56 | jayo | xoz: yes this is how i normally do |
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| 16:15.05 | userek | I've got a question, does the kfreebsd from the testing repository has some sort of linux binary compatilibilty support? |
| 16:15.17 | userek | like freebsd has? |
| 16:15.17 | jayo | xoz: but this machine is a debian machine and the guy running it is a debian guy so i rather make it 'correct' or i will have him sending me emails |
| 16:15.20 | jayo | :P |
| 16:15.57 | greycat | ruben23: where is the file? what directory? on what kind of file system? |
| 16:16.01 | xoz | jayo: why not cut and paste the commands in your current shell and see how it runs. |
| 16:16.08 | greycat | ruben23: "man updatedb" will show you several things that it won't cache |
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| 16:17.43 | xoz | userek: from what i understand, all debian packages are recompiled to run with the kfreebsd kernel so no need for binary compat |
| 16:17.49 | ranix | does anyone know off the top of his head if scp -r recurses filesystems in addition to directories? |
| 16:17.57 | xoz | userek: recompiled or ported |
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| 16:18.19 | greycat | ranix: I doubt it's aware of FS boundaries |
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| 16:18.27 | xoz | ranix: i randomly guess no. maybe rsync |
| 16:18.33 | userek | xoz: but that doesn't anwser my question, you are correct about it but i still need an awser for my question |
| 16:18.35 | ranix | hm ok thank you |
| 16:18.37 | greycat | ranix: I'd use tar-over-ssh, or rsync. |
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| 16:19.04 | xoz | userek: my belief is it has no need of it. |
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| 16:19.23 | ranix | thanks for the suggestion, I will let this chug on my network for awhile and then when it fails (I expect it will) I will switch to rsync |
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| 16:19.48 | userek | xoz: no need for running applications from debian reppositories, but its useful functionality otherwise |
| 16:20.03 | userek | for example there is no native flash plugin |
| 16:20.14 | userek | for freebsd kernel |
| 16:20.38 | xoz | userek: i see what you mean. |
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| 16:21.53 | xoz | userek: but porting it should be trivial considering that the kernel can be treated as plug-and-play kernel :) meaning the higher level need not know what kernel debian is running. |
| 16:22.25 | jayo | haha |
| 16:22.25 | jayo | my script was working |
| 16:22.44 | xoz | jayo: how did you fix it? |
| 16:23.18 | jayo | xoz: i manually stopped the application then used the script, the first time the daemon was already running, so i think it was because of that |
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| 16:23.41 | simonrvn | there goes another one |
| 16:23.48 | jayo | bots? |
| 16:23.50 | greycat | jayo: ah, if you had started it once without start-stop-daemon to manage it, then that might explain it. |
| 16:24.12 | xoz | jayo: meaning, the process ID somehow was not recorded? |
| 16:24.13 | jayo | greycat: yes i think that was the case, i did not know start-stop-daemon had to manage it completly |
| 16:24.21 | jayo | xoz: yes |
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| 16:24.27 | xoz | jayo: make sense |
| 16:24.30 | jayo | it does |
| 16:24.34 | jayo | :) thanks |
| 16:24.57 | greycat | jayo: I'm not certain either, but it seems like a good guess. |
| 16:25.05 | xoz | bsd has more convoluted way to start and stop daemons. |
| 16:25.24 | greycat | The BSD way of stopping daemons is "kill everything right before we reboot". |
| 16:25.44 | greycat | Or the human sysadmin manually does it. |
| 16:25.44 | xoz | jayo: although the stop daemon should be robust enough to consult the running processes :) |
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| 16:27.29 | ruben23 | greycat: i install slocate but when i run it i got this error--->slocate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 16:27.35 | jelly | greycat: well, proper daemons should respond in a proper way to a SIGTERM |
| 16:27.53 | xoz | greycat: exactly. |
| 16:28.06 | xoz | ruben23: sudo touch ..../slocate.db |
| 16:28.06 | greycat | ruben23: you probably need to initialize that DB somehow. |
| 16:28.09 | greycat | ruben23: you also ignored my previous questions. |
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| 16:28.23 | jelly | xoz: why not tell them to actually udate the database first? |
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| 16:29.32 | gothenburg | nej |
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| 16:29.47 | userek | xoz: did you mean to port flash plugin, or the compatibility layer? |
| 16:29.57 | xoz | jelly: i assume he had already done the sudo updatedb as suggested many lines before... |
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| 16:30.19 | ruben23 | greycat: im looking files from /var/spool/asterisk/monitoDONE directory its a .wav a recording file |
| 16:30.23 | greycat | xoz: he seems to have switched from locate to slocate after failing to read or answer my questions about WHERE his file is. |
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| 16:30.36 | xoz | greycat: heh |
| 16:31.01 | xoz | greycat: should it be the default of slocate to run updatedb immediately after install? |
| 16:31.14 | greycat | ruben23: check "ls -ld /var/spool /var/spool/asterisk /var/spool/asterisk/monitoDONE" and see if any of those directories are private. In other words NOT drwxr-xr-x or similar. |
| 16:31.24 | greycat | xoz: how would I know? |
| 16:31.25 | xoz | greycat: it seems before it does this... but not anymore. |
| 16:31.35 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.53 | themill | slocate isn't in lenny... we've covered that already, haven't we? |
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| 16:32.04 | greycat | 12:10 greycat> ruben23: if the file is in a directory that doesn't have world read permissions, etc., then updatedb won't store it, because that would be a security problem |
| 16:32.25 | greycat | judd, versions slocate |
| 16:32.26 | judd | greycat: slocate -- etch: 3.1-1 |
| 16:32.49 | ricci | i have a question how can i setup gcc 3.4 on top of an already existing gcc 4.0 build with the 4.0 being master and co exist |
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| 16:33.34 | ruben23 | greycat: -----> http://pastebin.com/m73296c3 |
| 16:33.42 | simonrvn | mlocate is more efficient of resources anyway |
| 16:33.58 | greycat | ruben23: ls -ld /var/spool /var/spool/asterisk /var/spool/asterisk/monitoDONE |
| 16:34.03 | greycat | really, just paste that. |
| 16:34.04 | simonrvn | it does deltas |
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| 16:34.27 | dcestari | a poll: what's your preferred way to make a local debian mirror? 1) apt-mirror 2) debmirror 3) reprepro 4) rsync |
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| 16:34.36 | greycat | oh, your pastebin seems to indicate that the last directory name is actually monitorDONE not monitoDONE. so fix that. |
| 16:34.43 | dcestari | 5) other (specify please) |
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| 16:34.45 | mjt | 5) approx |
| 16:34.55 | mjt | but it's a cache |
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| 16:34.57 | Kpd | hi all |
| 16:35.07 | greycat | you can set up a squid proxy, too. |
| 16:35.13 | Titan8990_ | dcestari, my only experience was with apt-mirror and it was pretty painless |
| 16:35.22 | greycat | depends on what part of "debian mirror" you really need |
| 16:35.37 | dcestari | Titan8990_: thanks for the answer :-) |
| 16:35.38 | ricci | dcestari i used to use dselect apt-get update whatever that uses |
| 16:36.03 | Titan8990_ | dcestari, that is painless for me and not the person hosting my bandwidth :) |
| 16:36.10 | dcestari | greycat: a local mirror for a laboratory or office, to save some bandwidth |
| 16:36.28 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.31 | dcestari | Titan8990_: hehe |
| 16:36.41 | greycat | dcestari: then a caching http proxy would certainly fulfill that need |
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| 16:37.04 | Titan8990_ | ruben23, he said to fix the dir name for monitorDONE |
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| 16:37.30 | greycat | ruben23: well, from you previous paste, the permissions on monitorDONE are broken anyway. |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:38.02 | greycat | 766 permissions make no sense on a directory. Figure out what they are supposed to be (do not guess -- consult someone who actually knows asterisk). |
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| 16:38.58 | jelly | drwxr-xr-x 2 asterisk asterisk 4096 Feb 26 2007 monitor |
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| 16:39.07 | dcestari | thanks all for the answers |
| 16:39.28 | dcestari | that will certainly help me make a decition |
| 16:39.35 | greycat | jelly: monitor and monitorDONE should both be 755? |
| 16:39.48 | jelly | greycat: there is no "monitorDONE" here |
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| 16:40.26 | greycat | hmm... I suspect something done manually, and wrong. |
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| 16:40.38 | jelly | it looks like a manually moved directory name TBH |
| 16:40.41 | syslq | Matic`Makovec: Matic Hi |
| 16:40.50 | Matic`Makovec | Hello |
| 16:40.54 | xoz | monitorDONE naming is lame :) |
| 16:40.59 | greycat | not sure how he ended up with 766 perms on it. maybe a fucked-up umask. |
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| 16:41.08 | syslq | Matic`Makovec: nice to have another .si guy here :) |
| 16:41.15 | Titan8990_ | jelly's ownership is different than his |
| 16:41.15 | Matic`Makovec | Always! |
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| 16:43.44 | ricci | anyone have any good guides or tips for setting up gcc 3.4 with gcc 4 on debian thank you |
| 16:43.54 | helo_ | when i run a script from /etc/inittab, it causes strange problems with keyboard input on tty1 |
| 16:44.02 | zeier | I have an encrypted pdf and know the pass. I would like to remove the password because in a few months or years, when I want to read it again, I probably don't know the pass anymore. And passwords in pdfs are ridiculous (for me). Does anyone have a hint? |
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| 16:44.12 | greycat | ricci: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc-3.4 |
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| 16:44.29 | greycat | ricci: then you'll have gcc (which is 4.whatever) and gcc-3.4 |
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| 16:45.27 | xoz | zeier: print it and redirect to file. the printed pdf should not have password. |
| 16:46.45 | themill | zeier: I'm pretty sure pdftk can do that |
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| 16:47.08 | ricci | greycat thank you any tips on if i want to build with gcc 3.4 ie force a build of source with the gcc 3.4 version |
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| 16:47.55 | themill | zeier: from the pdftk manual: pdftk secured.pdf input_pw foopass output unsecured.pdf |
| 16:48.10 | greycat | ricci: ./configure CC=gcc-3.4 or whatever, depending on what you're building |
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| 16:48.21 | ricci | greycat thank you much |
| 16:49.04 | xoz | ricci: or you can change the ln of gcc in /usr/bin/ to make it the default |
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| 16:49.21 | xoz | ricci: s/gcc/cc |
| 16:49.41 | ricci | xoz thank you as well wish me luck |
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| 16:51.48 | xoz | had a nightmare that he's the first person to buy window 7 :) |
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| 16:52.47 | Supaplex | xoz: ouch. you poor thing. :P |
| 16:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: It's already being delivered in Europe, so you should be safe. |
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| 16:54.05 | amee2k | mmm does debian for i386 work on geodes? |
| 16:54.05 | Xenguy | received an invitation to one of those inane 'parties' (where the host gets a copy of W7 for free - he didn't mention that part in his invitation :P ) |
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| 16:54.30 | elops | I have a cronjob, whose last act is to shadow a section of the filesystem with lndir. The cronjob succeeds for the most part, but lndir mysteriously only mirrors about 10% of the target path. When I run the lndir command standalone, outside a cron job, it works fine. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:54.37 | xoz | geodes? |
| 16:54.48 | amee2k | AMD geode |
| 16:55.02 | amee2k | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Geode |
| 16:55.05 | elops | me? |
| 16:55.09 | xoz | elops: check the ownership? |
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| 16:55.32 | amee2k | its an x86 compatible CPU intended for embedded systems |
| 16:55.46 | amee2k | (or some semi-embedded ones, like this thin client here) |
| 16:56.14 | ultraj6 | lol windows 7 parties?! |
| 16:56.17 | ultraj6 | WHAT? |
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| 16:56.30 | amee2k | i'm wondering if there was official support since i'm experiencing random hangups during installation, even though the system passes every memory or burn in test i throw at it |
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| 16:57.19 | xoz | amee2k: google geodes linux |
| 16:57.37 | xoz | amee2k: i think embedded linux don't use VM |
| 16:57.41 | dutchfish | amee2k, if it is hardware you can more verbose your kernellogging to find out |
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| 16:58.07 | xoz | amee2k: you should use a kernel for embedded linux |
| 16:58.35 | xoz | amee2k: not the typical i386 kernel |
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| 16:59.18 | amee2k | despite the form factor it should be a fully functional x86 PC and all test i run on it seem to confirm that |
| 16:59.56 | amee2k | i'm eyeing voyage linux, but i'd like to stay with vanilla debian if i can |
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| 17:01.11 | luke | I am wondering what it means if a package (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libpq-dev) has a security tag: libpq-dev (8.3.8-0lenny1) [security]? Is it possible to install such a package anyways? |
| 17:01.21 | Titan8990_ | amee2k, embedded devices typically use the ARM architecture |
| 17:01.33 | xoz | amee2k: for sure, some hw support in a standard kernel may not be there... you may need to patch it. |
| 17:01.48 | Titan8990_ | amee2k, sorry, just scrolled up |
| 17:02.00 | amee2k | Titan8990_: i'm DEAD sure its x86. i have the board with the "GEODE" on the proc right here and i'm running hiren's boot CD now |
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| 17:02.43 | amee2k | xoz: hm... possibly. but in this state i'm not even near diagnosing the cause of the problem since it doesn't leave any traces in the logs |
| 17:02.57 | themill | luke: it means that the package has been updated by the security team and that you should make sure you have security.debian.org in your sources.list to install the updated version. Use "apt-cache policy packagename" to see what versions are installed/available/candidates for installation |
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| 17:03.19 | luke | thx! |
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| 17:03.42 | xoz | amee2k: i think you better use a specialize linux distro for geode |
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| 17:04.16 | amee2k | hm... |
| 17:04.19 | xoz | amee2k: http://bombadil.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-geode |
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| 17:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: Not exactly a hotbed of activity, no posts since August. |
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| 17:06.14 | amee2k | lol |
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| 17:06.55 | xoz | amee2k: or maybe, http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-geode@bombadil.infradead.org/msg00061.html |
| 17:07.16 | km | why iam keep getting error code 1 when trying to install package? |
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| 17:07.40 | NoReflex | Hello! I want to install the latest version of debian (unstable) from a USB stick. I tried downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso and put it on the usb stick with unetbootin but when installing the system it doesn't detect the "CDROM". Any ideas? |
| 17:08.09 | km | i see, i got i remove tar |
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| 17:09.08 | stew | NoReflex: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 17:10.00 | Roland- | hey, how can I chown an executable to be able to be executed only by one user? |
| 17:10.40 | stew | Roland-: chown username filename ; chmod 700 filename |
| 17:10.52 | elops | I have a cronjob, whose last act is to shadow a section of the filesystem with lndir. The cronjob succeeds for the most part, but lndir mysteriously only mirrors about 10% of the target path. When I run the lndir command standalone, outside a cron job, it works fine. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:11.08 | elops | the line from crontab: 30 0 * * * /srv/moritzhome/dbBackup/backup.sh |
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| 17:16.12 | Thms | What is better ? HDaudio or AC97 ? |
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| 17:17.28 | elops | WHAT does absolute link type mean? |
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| 17:18.14 | zinx | elops: without context? nothing. |
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| 17:19.07 | zinx | elops: if you mean an soft link that's linked to an absolute path, it means the destination starts with "/", not "." |
| 17:19.15 | zinx | s/an soft/a soft/ |
| 17:19.53 | elops | yea |
| 17:19.54 | elops | thats it |
| 17:19.56 | jeff_hann | Thms: better for...? |
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| 17:22.09 | hyde | is it ok to run bonnie++ on production NFS file system as a normal user, after specifying a new folder for the test? I want to be sure that it won't remove anything else .. |
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| 17:23.32 | gigo | I want to transfer my music recording from my musical keyboard to debian. what packages do I need to install? |
| 17:24.06 | troubled | yang: you rang? |
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| 17:25.16 | De_Mon | can someone help me understand why dig can find the A record for absoluteidentity.com, but it can't +trace the same query and get an answer? |
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| 17:27.24 | lex | De_Mon, whois record is not yet in the corresponding root server? Hasnt propagated? |
| 17:27.51 | ruben23 | hi how do i make my application run automatically upon reboot with debian server |
| 17:27.53 | greycat | #dns might be able to help |
| 17:28.13 | lex | De_Mon, dig @closestroot thingie.com and work your way up, then do the same, dig @somerootserver, work your way down. |
| 17:28.42 | km | using broswermatch inserts "vary: user-agent" into the response to disble mod_deflate compression for buggy ie browser cause mod_cache to be useless, because... |
| 17:28.45 | lex | De_Mon, and then there is the obvious: is the DNS able to communicate to the outside? |
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| 17:29.53 | km | user-agent strings vary so much that the chances of 2 users having the exact same user-agent string is minimal, meaning the cache will store hundreds of copies of the same file and cache hist will be very rare. |
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| 17:30.07 | Titan8990_ | ruben23, wrap in an init script and add it to the default run level |
| 17:30.20 | mhymn | ruben23: /msg dpkg startup |
| 17:30.25 | Titan8990_ | ruben23, /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d are there to help |
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| 17:31.25 | valdyn | ruben23: which application? |
| 17:31.27 | km | any recommended solution for more caching gzip content more efficiently/ |
| 17:31.40 | valdyn | km: why? |
| 17:31.51 | ruben23 | valdyn: a mysql, httpd |
| 17:31.55 | valdyn | km: whats inefficient about debians caching? |
| 17:32.07 | jeff_hann | ruben23: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:32.11 | De_Mon | lex whois finds IP addresses for the authoritative name servers but dig says the domains don't exist and the +trace fails for the same reason.. Yet, a simple dig -t a returns a record... |
| 17:32.11 | km | oops wrong channel |
| 17:32.14 | valdyn | ruben23: you mean a custom mysql and httpd? why arent you using debian packages for both? |
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| 17:33.04 | mhymn | valdyn: you do great dude, it's so good you're here |
| 17:33.24 | De_Mon | lex so I'm sitting here saying, how does the simple dig know what the real DNS servers are and how do I get it to tell me which ones it's using |
| 17:33.27 | ruben23 | valdyn: custom..i add up some script in it |
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| 17:33.42 | valdyn | ruben23: working against the package management is a bad idea |
| 17:33.52 | lex | De_Mon, as far as I know, dig +trace will go to some root server, then follow your record down. |
| 17:34.01 | valdyn | ruben23: your "custom" stuff should have shipped init scripts though |
| 17:34.17 | ruben23 | valdyn: yes i guess ill do it manually |
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| 17:34.37 | De_Mon | right, and it fails at ns1.chiheni.com saying the domain doesn't exist. Yet whois ns1.chiheni.com provides an IP address, and that address is the server the simple dig query is using? |
| 17:35.00 | lex | you dig @ns1.chiheni.com thingie.com and it returns the A record? |
| 17:35.00 | De_Mon | I'm trying to figure out how to get the whois ip of the name server from dig directly |
| 17:35.37 | lex | De_Mon, you dig @ns.whatever.com NS thingie.com |
| 17:35.45 | lex | De_Mon, methinks |
| 17:36.03 | De_Mon | ns1.chiheni.com is 'not found' thought |
| 17:36.22 | ankylose | ranix, it is a regression |
| 17:36.30 | greycat | De_Mon: I strongly suggest asking #dns for assistance here |
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| 17:36.48 | ankylose | ranix, etch hasn't its problem |
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| 17:37.15 | ankylose | ranix, etch hasn't this* problem |
| 17:37.15 | lex | De_Mon, MHM |
| 17:37.29 | lex | But from the whois you have an IP address for it, right? |
| 17:37.38 | lex | De_Mon, looks like the DNS is down. |
| 17:37.56 | lex | dig @theipforciheni thingie.com |
| 17:38.10 | lex | De_Mon, if you cant get there, then traceroute for it. I think you cant reach it. |
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| 17:38.39 | greycat | "whois" is just decoration. Looking up an address doesn't actually care what's in the whois databases. |
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| 17:39.31 | lex | greycat, true. But if you only have ns1.cheheni.com and it doesnt resolve, then you can get its "ip" from the whois to dig @theip .... or ive done it that way to find and prove a dns upstream is down. |
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| 17:39.59 | De_Mon | greycat there's an idea. I thought this would be some simple thing, but it's very un-obvous |
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| 17:40.38 | lex | De_Mon, few things in DNS are simple or obvious. |
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| 17:43.48 | greycat | dnstrace A absoluteidentity.com 198.41.0.4 gave me a 480k file, but I'm not really good enough at DNS to know just what to look for in it. |
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| 17:45.49 | lex | greycat, De_Mon, by tracing, I can reach all the way to absoluteidentity NS, so im guessing de_mon has a problem connecting to the closest server to it, which is ns[12].chiheni.com, but I dont. |
| 17:46.24 | lex | De_Mon, to test, try dig @174.120.118.162 absoluteidentity.com |
| 17:46.49 | lex | THat address is the IP for ns1.cheheni.com |
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| 17:47.35 | greycat | I'd offer him my dnstrace output file to hand over to the experts in #dns if he wanted it. |
| 17:47.59 | greycat | I'm guessing he doesn't have djbdns utilities installed. |
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| 17:48.20 | lex | I dont. But dig +trace is quite nice anyhow. |
| 17:48.45 | gothenburg | nope |
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| 17:49.02 | lex | I like it. Never failed me. |
| 17:49.23 | Tagor | I'm trying to install asterisk-app-fax with apt-get (apt-get install asterisk-app-fax) but it says it couldn't find the package. How do I fix this? |
| 17:49.51 | greycat | why do you think there is such a package? did you give apt a repository that would contain it? |
| 17:50.07 | Zvpun | I would like to understand terminfo. For exampel infocmp | grep kcub1 (key_left) says: kcub1=\EOD. When I press the left key on my keyboard, does gnome terminal recive a series of bytes with the value: \EOD or does gnome terminal send \EOD to something? What would that something be? |
| 17:50.11 | greycat | asterisk is some non-free thing, isn't it? or am I out of date again... |
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| 17:50.24 | Tagor | greycat I know about the sources.list. But how do I know what source I should add? |
| 17:50.33 | greycat | Zvpun: terminfo is a database that is supposed to know what a given terminal does. |
| 17:50.35 | phogg | greycat: afaik asterisk is free |
| 17:50.41 | Tagor | greycat: asterisk is free |
| 17:50.53 | greycat | Zvpun: if your terminfo database does not happen to match the actual behavior of your terminal, then problems are likely to occur |
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| 17:51.03 | Titan8990_ | greycat, its GNU free.... |
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| 17:51.50 | Zvpun | greycat: yes, but what does pressing key left and kcub1=\EOD mean? what sends what to whom? |
| 17:51.57 | greycat | Zvpun: now, things get complicated because these days, people don't really use terminals, which are machines -- physical things with electricity in them. They use terminal EMULATORS instead, which are programs. |
| 17:52.55 | greycat | Zvpun: so gnome-terminal (just to use your example) is a program that *acts* like it's a beige box with a video screen and a keyboard and an RS-232 serial port on it. It does this by sending bytes (for example, ESC O D) to whatever program is running inside the emulator, when you press a key. |
| 17:52.56 | Zvpun | greycat: so when the terminal emulator recives kcub1 it moves the cursor to the left? |
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| 17:53.30 | Tagor | greycat: any idea how I can add the package? |
| 17:53.45 | greycat | Zvpun: no, kcub1 is a descriptive label in the terminfo database, which tells application programs (like "bash" or "top") that the "MOVE CURSOR BACK 1 SPACE KEY" (kcub1) is represented by such-and-such escape sequence. |
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| 17:54.00 | greycat | Tagor: find a repository which has it. |
| 17:54.17 | De_Mon | greycat it looks like I had djbdns installed at some point, but I don't remember ever using it =). If you can email those logs to me I can msg you an address |
| 17:54.31 | Zvpun | greycat: another try: when I hit key left, gnome terminal sends ESC O D to my program (eg. vim)? |
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| 17:54.45 | greycat | Zvpun: The terminal emulator itself generates some sequence of bytes, called an escape sequence, when you press a key. This is the behavior of the machine (or the emulated machine). It is terminfo's job to describe this in a way that applications can understand. |
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| 17:54.55 | greycat | Zvpun: that way, the same application can be used on any kind of terminal. |
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| 17:55.29 | greycat | De_Mon: http://wooledge.org/~greg/aicom.gz |
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| 17:56.15 | binrapt | There appears to be a problem with the openmpi packages, mpi-default-dev etc: error: mpi.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:56.18 | binrapt | Locate yields /usr/lib/openmpi/include/mpi.h |
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| 17:56.26 | greycat | Zvpun: so, assuming your terminfo database is accurate, then when you press the left arrow key, gnome-terminal sends ESC O D to whatever program is running inside it. |
| 17:56.26 | Tagor | greychat: how do I find a repository that has the package? Is there some searchenige for it? |
| 17:56.33 | binrapt | I suspect it wasn't added to the global gcc include paths for some reason? |
| 17:56.36 | greycat | Tagor: where did you find this NAME? |
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| 17:57.09 | greycat | Zvpun: for comparison, xterm and rxvt both send ESC [ D when I press the left arrow. |
| 17:57.30 | greycat | Zvpun: (I can see this by pressing Ctrl-V and the the arrow key, at a bash prompt, in the respective terminal emulators) |
| 17:57.34 | De_Mon | intersting... |
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| 17:58.06 | Zvpun | greycat: and vim would look up and see that a kcub1 was send to it by comparing esc [ d with the terminfo page of xterm? |
| 17:58.34 | Tagor | greycat: in a tutorial about spanDSP, and then I found out Debian has a package 'asterisk-fax-apps' for it |
| 17:59.07 | greycat | judd, versions asterisk-fax-apps |
| 17:59.08 | judd | greycat: asterisk-fax-apps -- |
| 17:59.23 | greycat | Tagor: perhaps it's offered by some third party. Try google? |
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| 17:59.25 | Tagor | Sorry it's asterisk-apps-fax |
| 17:59.32 | greycat | judd, versions asterisk-apps-fax |
| 17:59.34 | judd | greycat: asterisk-apps-fax -- |
| 17:59.54 | Tagor | Sorry again, it's asterisk-app-fax |
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| 18:00.01 | Tagor | judd, versions asterisk-app-fax |
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| 18:00.01 | judd | Tagor: asterisk-app-fax -- etch: 0.0.20060218-4 |
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| 18:00.31 | greycat | looks like it's no longer offered |
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| 18:00.58 | greycat | perhaps it's been merged into some other package, or perhaps it's just not supported any more |
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| 18:02.11 | Tagor | I just found out in Lenny a package called libspandsp-dev exists |
| 18:02.15 | Tagor | Could this be the same? |
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| 18:02.24 | Tagor | And what does the '-dev' mean? |
| 18:02.46 | greycat | -dev means it's for developing stuff (it's header files and libraries and whatever else, used in compiling/building other programs) |
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| 18:05.19 | Tagor | Ah ok :) |
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| 18:07.09 | Zvpun | greycat: thanks for your help in understanding terminfo |
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| 18:18.45 | valdyn | cd ~ |
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| 18:22.24 | fly_ | so can anyone tell me whats up with this? http://www.pastebin.ca/1635475 ive never gotten that before |
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| 18:23.53 | abrotman | why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 18:24.29 | maligor | fly_, maybe you're using gcc 4.4 or so |
| 18:24.59 | fly_ | abrotman, oh i dont know.. maybe because kernel modding is fun and useful |
| 18:25.20 | fly_ | maligor i am using gcc from squeeze is there a problem with it? |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | then ask #kernel .. Debian provides perfectly usable kernels |
| 18:25.37 | fly_ | abrotman, thats the windows spirit |
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| 18:26.02 | maligor | fly_, amusing, but do check your gcc version, those warnings aren't atall serious tho |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | fly_: that's fine .. this channel is to support Debian, if you don't like the Debian kernels, doesn't really make it a Debian problem |
| 18:26.18 | setuid | Can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/d101ba370 |
| 18:26.34 | setuid | I'm trying to install graymilter on a clean, brand-new lenny install... and it's barfing all over the place, and now claims perl conflicts with itself |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | setuid: aptitude -f intsall |
| 18:26.40 | abrotman | setuid: aptitude -f install |
| 18:26.56 | abrotman | setuid: and make sure you have a security.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list and you've done an aptitude update |
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| 18:27.13 | setuid | abrotman, Yep, did both of those, same story |
| 18:27.23 | abrotman | setuid: put your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 18:27.39 | setuid | Here's my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/d2c98fd68 |
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| 18:27.59 | abrotman | setuid: aptitude update && aptitude -f install |
| 18:28.17 | abrotman | judd: versions perl-base |
| 18:28.19 | judd | abrotman: perl-base -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6 etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6 lenny: 5.10.0-19 sid: 5.10.1-5 squeeze: 5.10.1-5 |
| 18:28.26 | setuid | Here's what aptitude generates: http://pastebin.com/de495e16 |
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| 18:28.31 | abrotman | setuid: where did you get that libperl ? |
| 18:28.44 | abrotman | judd: versions libperl5.10 |
| 18:28.46 | judd | abrotman: libperl5.10 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19 sid: 5.10.1-5 squeeze: 5.10.1-5 |
| 18:28.58 | fly_ | 4.3.4 btw |
| 18:29.03 | setuid | abrotman, From whatever repo is in sources.list |
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| 18:29.32 | abrotman | setuid: try a different mirror besides mirrors.kernel.org |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | setuid: like one near you geographically |
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| 18:30.38 | setuid | ugh, since perl is broken, netselect-apt fails |
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| 18:31.02 | abrotman | that's not what i said to do ... |
| 18:31.13 | setuid | I know, but it helps me find a geographically-closer mirror |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | setuid: you're in ME? |
| 18:31.28 | Titan8990_ | !mirrors |
| 18:31.28 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 18:32.14 | abrotman | setuid: comment out the mirrors.kernel.org and add this "deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 18:32.53 | setuid | I'll use osuosl, just a moment |
| 18:33.09 | setuid | Ok, that didn't help... same aptitude error |
| 18:33.20 | setuid | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the automake package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 18:33.20 | setuid | E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
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| 18:33.32 | abrotman | setuid: apt-cache policy .. paste it |
| 18:34.10 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/d6c84e0f4 |
| 18:35.31 | abrotman | setuid: was this a dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:35.45 | abrotman | iugnore |
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| 18:35.55 | abrotman | setuid: so aptitude update .. no errors ? |
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| 18:36.26 | setuid | No errors at all |
| 18:36.39 | setuid | abrotman, Just an upgrade from the install about 10 days ago (which was upgraded at that time) |
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| 18:36.59 | setuid | Apparently there were 417 new packages in the last 10 days |
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| 18:37.19 | abrotman | impressive |
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| 18:37.38 | abrotman | setuid: can you `aptitude install automake` ? |
| 18:38.16 | Titan8990_ | 417 new packages in 10 days? |
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| 18:39.00 | Titan8990_ | oh... total, i thought you were saying you upgraded that many on your machine |
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| 18:39.38 | gigo | i am using Squeeze. When rhythmbox is playing, no other program is able to output sound. |
| 18:39.41 | gigo | how to fix this? |
| 18:40.03 | Titan8990_ | that is how alsa works |
| 18:40.04 | setuid | abrotman, Here's what that reports: http://pastebin.com/d34f60d1c |
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| 18:40.11 | jelly | Titan8990_: no it's not. |
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| 18:40.28 | wols | !dmix |
| 18:40.29 | dpkg | it has been said that dmix is an ALSA subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 18:40.43 | jelly | gigo: check the output driver used. If it's _not_ alsa but oss, try switching to alsa. |
| 18:40.52 | Titan8990_ | jelly, that has always been my experience and my impression of why pulse was getting pushed so hard these days |
| 18:41.04 | gigo | currently, I can play vlc and espeak together. but i can't play rhythmbox and espeak together. |
| 18:41.25 | abrotman | setuid: if you do `aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade` .. any better ? |
| 18:41.44 | jelly | Titan8990_: pulse has other features, like separate volume controls per app, but dmix solved the multiple apps issue years ago. |
| 18:41.44 | gigo | jelly, should I check the output driver of rhythmbox? |
| 18:42.10 | setuid | abrotman, Nope, dies on the second step |
| 18:42.18 | setuid | ...with the same exact error as pasted |
| 18:42.34 | jelly | gigo: it won't hurt |
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| 18:42.59 | abrotman | setuid: somehow .. you apparently didn't install lenny ? |
| 18:43.02 | gigo | jelly, i tried but for rhythmbox, the GUI doesn't seem to provide such an option to specify output driver |
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| 18:43.06 | W3b3r_ | hello guys |
| 18:43.13 | setuid | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d169bd7a0 |
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| 18:43.24 | W3b3r_ | Iceweasel 3.5 is in the experimental repository? |
| 18:43.28 | jelly | gigo: I don't know much about that app. |
| 18:43.32 | setuid | abrotman, I definitely installed Lenny, it came from the ISP's mounted media (over a remote kvm at $30/hour, ugh) |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | setuid: stop intentionally not doing what i say ... |
| 18:44.00 | abrotman | setuid: why do you keep trying to force thigns with dpkg instead of using aptitude ? |
| 18:44.10 | setuid | uh... what? I did what you said, and am trying to force-install it from the local cache, since I can't fetch it remotely. |
| 18:44.23 | gigo | the sound preferences gui of GNome has also changed. |
| 18:44.33 | setuid | aptitude can't install from a local .deb file |
| 18:44.34 | gigo | i can't see the Realtek and alsa mixer options in the gui any more |
| 18:44.56 | abrotman | setuid: and the `aptitude full-upgrade` just throws up ? |
| 18:45.34 | setuid | abrotman, That got a little further, but dies with: |
| 18:45.44 | setuid | Writing extended state information... Done; Current status: 202 broken [-4]. |
| 18:45.59 | abrotman | and if you try again ? |
| 18:46.02 | setuid | And now aptitude is gone |
| 18:46.03 | setuid | # aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:46.04 | setuid | -bash: /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory |
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| 18:46.31 | setuid | Putting it back in with dpkg, manually... one moment. |
| 18:46.39 | setuid | I've never, in 10+ years of running Debian, run into something this messy |
| 18:46.54 | jelly | setuid: did you... you know, read the output of what aptitude told it was going to do? |
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| 18:47.03 | setuid | jelly, Of course |
| 18:47.07 | jelly | like "Packages to be removed: LOTS" |
| 18:47.19 | setuid | As long as it boots and I have ssh, I don't care what it removes |
| 18:47.24 | jelly | ah. |
| 18:47.26 | setuid | I can always put things back |
| 18:47.35 | setuid | it's a headless server, a few thousand miles away from me |
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| 18:48.03 | setuid | Is there a bot here that tells me what the name of the 64-bit package is for lenny that contains libperl.so.5.10? |
| 18:48.15 | jelly | perl-base |
| 18:48.48 | abrotman | you know .. the broken packge |
| 18:48.54 | setuid | Ok, that's a little better |
| 18:48.55 | greycat | Why can't I write files to a Lenny NFS server from an HP-UX 10.20 client? I can create empty files, but I can't write into them. And I can't seem to traverse a subdirectory that's created on the NFS server either. HP-UX 11.11 seems OK. |
| 18:49.00 | setuid | Current status: 199 broken [-1], 46 updates [-1], 7971 new [-1]. |
| 18:49.11 | jelly | it's Essential... one has to go to some ends to remove it |
| 18:49.34 | greycat | setuid: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:49.51 | jelly | greycat: heyum... may i !pal you? |
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| 18:50.45 | wols | jelly: --force is a great tool, and a BIG stick to wield |
| 18:50.46 | jelly | greycat: which nfs proto gets used? |
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| 18:51.08 | jelly | greycat: sorry, not proto, vers |
| 18:51.21 | greycat | jelly: um... the log says "authenticaed mount request from 10.76.142.103:697 for /usr/src (/usr/src)" |
| 18:51.25 | greycat | minus the typo |
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| 18:51.59 | elops | !survey |
| 18:51.59 | jelly | v2, v3? I was going to suggest "try forcing the other one" |
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| 18:51.59 | dpkg | survey is probably Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | elops: msg the bot please |
| 18:53.13 | greycat | jelly: hmm, the HP-UX side seems to have MOUNT_VER=3 in the file the man page mentions |
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| 18:53.37 | setuid | Closer yet: Current status: 50 broken [-149], 3 updates [-43]. |
| 18:54.04 | setuid | aptitude keeps removing itself ;) |
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| 18:54.36 | Frx | Greetings! |
| 18:54.51 | Pryon | Felicitous contrafrabulations! |
| 18:54.52 | Titan8990_ | setuid, lol you managed to a number on that thing in 10 days |
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| 18:55.02 | jelly | greycat: see if v2 behaves nicer, if you can |
| 18:55.06 | setuid | Titan8990_, From install to upgrade, it broke itself |
| 18:55.13 | setuid | Titan8990_, I did nothing magical to it... |
| 18:55.28 | greycat | jelly: You win. That worked. "mount -o vers=2 10.76... /mnt" |
| 18:55.36 | Frx | heres the problem |
| 18:55.50 | Titan8990_ | setuid, like manually installing perl packages? |
| 18:55.56 | Frx | if i install windows after isntalling debian on another partition , grub gets removed |
| 18:56.03 | Frx | and then i cant boot into linux |
| 18:56.16 | setuid | Titan8990_, nope, everything is strictly stock, from the upstream Debian repos |
| 18:56.19 | Frx | any other solution than installing linux after installing windows? |
| 18:56.20 | Titan8990_ | !fixmbr |
| 18:56.20 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:56.28 | wols | Frx: you boot from the Debian install CD and reinstall grub to the MBR |
| 18:56.37 | jelly | greycat: I'll write that one up to "linux nfs sucks" |
| 18:56.47 | Frx | thank you |
| 18:56.54 | Texou | hi. |
| 18:57.01 | wols | Titan8990_: bit out of date. nowadays you can boot th kernel from CD and the rest from hdd. no more chroot and friends |
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| 18:57.10 | greycat | How can all the Open Source unix NFS implementations suck so much? It's seriously depressing. Don't people who develop OSes USE that stuff? |
| 18:57.17 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:57.29 | greycat | OpenBSD NFS write performance has sucked for years now. |
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| 18:57.35 | greycat | Or is it read.... |
| 18:57.38 | wols | speaking of NFS: would it be faster than samba to windows cifs? ie windows nfs to linux nfs vs. windows smb to linux smb |
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| 18:57.52 | jelly | greycat: do they have a test suite for interoperation with misc unices? I don't think so. |
| 18:58.08 | Titan8990_ | wols, are you sure? i thought livecds typically used syslinux |
| 18:58.09 | jelly | greycat: but linux nfs <-> linux nfs works well :-) |
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| 18:58.35 | wols | all I can say is I recently used a lenny cd and it worked that way. the netinst |
| 18:58.42 | Titan8990_ | wols, nfs is considerably faster than smb/cifs from my experience |
| 18:58.50 | jelly | wols: depends on windows nfs, I bet. But nfs is much less chatty protocol. |
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| 18:58.58 | setuid | NFS does a little more, but it has its limitations (NFSv3 lacks any real security) |
| 18:59.08 | wols | well, if you say linux nfs sucks, you never saw windows nfs... |
| 18:59.18 | jelly | wols: I've done some testing with a Windows 7 client, but over a slow link. |
| 18:59.20 | wols | security I don't care on my own lan |
| 18:59.24 | greycat | I'm not sure you can even count Windows NFS as existing. |
| 18:59.25 | jelly | wols: it "just worked" |
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| 18:59.29 | setuid | What are iU packages? |
| 18:59.38 | setuid | like: |
| 18:59.40 | setuid | iU perl-modules 5.10.0-19lenny2 Core Perl modules |
| 18:59.46 | greycat | isn't it a "pay us more money" add-on that only like 7 people in the world use? |
| 18:59.48 | wols | greycat: microsoft hands out a nfs, so it must be good |
| 18:59.55 | greycat | wols: oh, is it free now? |
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| 19:00.01 | jelly | greycat: win 7 (enterprise) has mount.exe and showmount.exe, and they work _as expected_ _by default_. |
| 19:00.09 | wols | theirs is even free. was for a LONG time too |
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| 19:00.27 | wols | of course they now make it obsolete afaik. Ie don't distribute it anymore |
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| 19:00.38 | dkr | setuid: Status=Unpacked |
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| 19:00.47 | wols | yes, they merge it into the business windows versions afaik |
| 19:00.57 | greycat | jelly: if they fix the spelling of traceroute, they might actually start to look like a unix box in a few centuries... |
| 19:01.02 | dkr | setuid: I'm guess the installation got interrupted, so it was able to unpack but not complete the install? |
| 19:01.13 | jelly | wols: and I think one can download SfU for other builds as well |
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| 19:01.27 | wols | jelly: sfu is basically deprecated |
| 19:01.28 | jelly | greycat: 8.3 foreva |
| 19:01.36 | setuid | dkr, I'll dpkg --configure -a them |
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| 19:01.49 | wols | grep coming with windows. in your dreams greycat |
| 19:02.00 | greycat | 8.3 is fantas~1 |
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| 19:02.06 | jelly | wols: well, it seems to be "there by default" in 7 Enterprise |
| 19:02.15 | Texou | do you know if on lenny it's possible to use a pidgin newer than 2.4.3? it's too old. Is it dangerous to install these of testing? and if I install a backport, dangerous for next dist-upgrade? |
| 19:02.23 | greycat | !tell Texou about backports |
| 19:02.27 | wols | as I said: they merge it into the higher priced business versions and stop giving it to us mere mortals |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | i'd settle for a shell that understands ^D |
| 19:02.57 | Texou | I look |
| 19:03.11 | jelly | abrotman: ^D, ^Z, what's the difference |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | jelly: my poor memory :) |
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| 19:03.38 | jelly | powershell even has $? |
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| 19:04.07 | greycat | jelly: wow, you can print the exit status of a program in fewer than 500 lines of "if" statements now? |
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| 19:05.27 | jelly | greycat: did you know, exit status of a .bat script isn't the same as the exit status of cmd.exe interpreting it. One has to ... because having to type exit /b %ErrorLevel% at the end to make the shell emit proper return code to the caller |
| 19:05.40 | jelly | s/ because having to type // |
| 19:05.45 | setuid | ut oh |
| 19:05.50 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/d408b196b |
| 19:06.03 | setuid | How do I resolve that? |
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| 19:06.33 | greycat | jelly: %ErrorLevel% is after my time apparently. When I did this stuff in MS-DOS 3.30 you literally had to write 500-plus line bunch of "IF ERRORLEVEL 255 GOTO L255" code. |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | setuid: how are you installing it? |
| 19:06.49 | setuid | dpkg claims libc6-dev and libc6-dev-amd64 aren't installed |
| 19:06.49 | jelly | setuid: dpkg --print-architecture? (just to make sure) |
| 19:06.50 | dpkg | no idea, setuid |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | htf did you do that? |
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| 19:07.03 | setuid | abrotman, I'm trying to install gcc, and it barfed on libc6 |
| 19:07.12 | setuid | # dpkg --print-architecture |
| 19:07.13 | setuid | amd64 |
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| 19:07.27 | greycat | setuid: consider installing packages one by one with dpkg -i --force-* |
| 19:07.27 | abrotman | setuid: odd .. the system thinks libc6-dev is installed just fine |
| 19:07.29 | jelly | greycat: thankfully, NT's cmd.exe has an exit command. |
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| 19:08.19 | jelly | setuid: and what's the current dpkg -l libc6\* ? |
| 19:08.41 | jelly | skip the un and pn lines |
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| 19:09.37 | setuid | jelly, http://pastebin.com/d3dc0a0cf |
| 19:09.37 | stonecold | Can anyone suggest a proxy server ( Other than squid ) ? |
| 19:10.08 | greycat | Funny stuff. Qt INSTALL file says it only supports GNU tar, but it tells you to do "gunzip %DISTNAME%.tar.gz" and then "tar xvf %DISTNAME%.tar" instead of xzvf or gzip -dc | tar xvf - |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | stonecold: apt-cache search proxy server ? |
| 19:11.28 | setuid | jelly, Any ideas? |
| 19:11.31 | jelly | judd: versions libc6-dev-amd64 --arh amd64 |
| 19:11.31 | judd | jelly: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 19:11.36 | jelly | judd: versions libc6-dev-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 19:11.36 | judd | jelly: libc6-dev-amd64 -- |
| 19:11.51 | jelly | setuid: where the hell did you get that package from :-) |
| 19:12.05 | jelly | judd: versions libc6-dev-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 19:12.06 | judd | jelly: libc6-dev-amd64 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.10.1-1 |
| 19:12.13 | jelly | waaait a minute |
| 19:12.20 | setuid | I don't know, but I wonder if it's in the pkgdb, but not actually instlaled |
| 19:12.30 | jelly | setuid: are you trying to convert an i386 installation to amd64? |
| 19:12.35 | greycat | setuid: if libc6 is not installed, none of your commands will work. |
| 19:12.58 | jelly | setuid: (because if you are, that's very unsupported) |
| 19:12.58 | setuid | jelly, Nope, it's been an amd64 since the original install 10 days ago |
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| 19:13.35 | setuid | ok, now it's fully "fixed", as far as aptitude, dpkg and apt-get are installed... no errors, no conflicts, though it removed a few hundred packages. I can reinstall those, I thnk. |
| 19:13.38 | jelly | setuid: judd doesn't lie. And it says that package is only available for i386. |
| 19:14.23 | setuid | I bet I know what happened |
| 19:14.37 | abrotman | let's hear it ... |
| 19:14.51 | jelly | my apt-cache policy with enabled lenny+squeeze+sid for amd64 also says there's no libc6-dev-amd64 for amd64. |
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| 19:15.23 | setuid | The system this was physically replacing, had the standard dpkg --get-selections dumped (on a 32-bit/686 system), and then --set-selections with the same package list on the amd64 side. |
| 19:15.47 | setuid | One of the packages probably had the i386 or i686 in the name, and apt happily installed it on the amd64 version |
| 19:15.53 | abrotman | no |
| 19:16.00 | jelly | setuid: that still doesn't explain how you managed to install an i386 package, since it wouldn't have been available in the repo |
| 19:16.05 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/d71d4e5d2 |
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| 19:16.14 | setuid | jelly, Good question, I don't know |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | setuid: that means nothing |
| 19:16.28 | abrotman | setuid: aptitude would just tell you those packages weren't available |
| 19:16.44 | setuid | I've never used aptitude until you suggested it just a short while ago |
| 19:16.51 | setuid | I use apt, apt-get and dpkg to do my surgery |
| 19:17.23 | jelly | well, it looks like you somehow managed to get i386 packages on the currently-amd64 system. |
| 19:17.39 | setuid | Hrm, here's a thought... what if the ISP restored /var/cache/apt/archives from the 686 machine onto the 64-bit machine... |
| 19:17.54 | setuid | Would apt and friends have picked packages out of there and installed them? |
| 19:18.02 | jelly | uh, what ISP now. |
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| 19:18.24 | jelly | if they restored files from a previous i386 system on a current amd64, all bets are off |
| 19:18.51 | jelly | setuid: dpkg would have complained of wrong arch |
| 19:18.58 | jelly | at install time |
| 19:19.02 | setuid | jelly, My hosting company relocated out of Saavis, and in the move, had to force-shutdown my server, trashing the root fs. When they brought it back up in the new dc, the fs mounted ro. It mounted ro, because they physically damaged the disk it was on. |
| 19:19.14 | setuid | So they put in a new disk, gave me a kvm, and I installed Lenny from scratch on the box |
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| 19:20.17 | jelly | rc libc6-i686 # this also couldn't have been installed on amd64 |
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| 19:20.20 | jelly | setuid: did they restore any /var files over your fresh lenny? |
| 19:20.21 | setuid | Then I just don't know |
| 19:20.38 | setuid | jelly, I hope not, they don't have root... unless they rooted the box when I wasn't looking and restored it from a backup they weren't supposed to have |
| 19:20.59 | jelly | your dpkg status file isn't amd64 compliant :-) |
| 19:21.17 | setuid | grr, can't install vim on this machine now (after cleaning everything else up) |
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| 19:21.53 | setuid | Weird 32-bit/64-bit issues aside, Lenny seems pretty unstable, as far as standard packages go |
| 19:21.55 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/dbcd4ea |
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| 19:22.15 | |abaddon| | hola chicos, ¿donde puedo consultar las caracteristicas de la ultima imagen testing de debian? |
| 19:22.27 | jelly | setuid: try a nonborked installation |
| 19:22.29 | |abaddon| | o sea que version del kernel, que gnome por defecto, etc |
| 19:22.33 | jelly | !es |
| 19:22.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:22.40 | setuid | jelly, It's nonborked now |
| 19:22.42 | setuid | I fixed it |
| 19:22.48 | jelly | setuid: negative on that |
| 19:23.10 | setuid | Where is this dpkg "status file" you speak of? |
| 19:23.11 | jelly | setuid: I'd strongly suggest a fresh install if you have the time. |
| 19:23.43 | setuid | I don't have the time or money, and it's taken me 10 days to rsync back my data (about 40% complete now) |
| 19:23.48 | |abaddon| | sorry |
| 19:23.53 | jelly | setuid: /var/lib/dpkg/status is where dpkg -l gets its data, and where the most important info about packages install is stored. |
| 19:23.57 | setuid | All of my sites (300 websites) have been down for 10 days because of this |
| 19:24.18 | setuid | jelly, How do I regen/rebuild that file? |
| 19:24.25 | greycat | !status |
| 19:24.26 | dpkg | Since Wed Oct 21 11:05:03 2009, there have been 1 modification, 64 questions, 14 dunnos, 0 morons and 13 commands. I have been awake for 8h 19m 22s this session, and currently reference 39115 factoids. I'm using about 16264 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 37.5/2.3 child 0/0 |
| 19:24.29 | greycat | sigh. |
| 19:24.40 | jelly | setuid: you don't. |
| 19:24.54 | wols | jelly: you can use a text editor if you want tho... |
| 19:25.26 | setuid | _something_ generates that file... |
| 19:25.29 | greycat | !very fubar status file |
| 19:25.29 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
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| 19:25.35 | greycat | setuid: dpkg does. every time it does anything. |
| 19:25.37 | jelly | wols: yeah, but I'm considering the context. What setuid has now is likely better than pretending he completely lost it |
| 19:25.38 | wols | dpkg does. and no you do not want to edit it |
| 19:25.39 | dpkg | wols: are you using Windows? |
| 19:26.00 | greycat | setuid: checked /var/backups yet? |
| 19:26.10 | setuid | If they borked /var, it';s likely that can't be trusted either |
| 19:26.20 | jelly | setuid: it might be nice to upload the file somewhere |
| 19:26.26 | wols | "they"? don't you mean you? |
| 19:26.55 | setuid | wols, No, I don't |
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| 19:27.08 | wols | then you have a long way ahead of you |
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| 19:27.34 | jelly | setuid: first confirm whether your isp touched any system files after you installed amd64. If they did, use aptitude clone or get-selections clone and reinstall to get a consistent state. |
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| 19:28.23 | setuid | get-selections clone from where? |
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| 19:28.30 | setuid | from the "tainted" system? |
| 19:28.36 | jelly | setuid: you said you already had a list from before. |
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| 19:28.55 | setuid | I do, in my email... I dumped it before they trashed the drive the working system was running from |
| 19:28.55 | jelly | just redo the install from scratch, cause this is not it. |
| 19:29.37 | wols | and next time, never ever use dpkg. ever |
| 19:29.44 | wols | and no 3rd party repos either |
| 19:29.49 | jelly | setuid: but if you're just trying to get the services running ASAP, take a look at the status file, and judiciously reinstall broken packages with dpkg --force-overwrite |
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| 19:30.09 | setuid | 0 upgraded, 591 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:30.15 | wols | do you honestly think this will be faster jelly? |
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| 19:30.30 | jelly | wols: depends on his skills, and he apparently has some. |
| 19:30.49 | setuid | Oddly... this was working, while I was restoring app data to it from my backup here... and now that I'm jumping back on, it's wonky again |
| 19:31.08 | setuid | I'm re-cloning it now from the original list of installed packages |
| 19:31.18 | setuid | I should have just bought a 1TB SATA2 drive and drop-shipped it to them |
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| 19:31.27 | setuid | "Here, plug this into my server and boot it.." |
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| 19:32.07 | dec3pti0n | I'm trying to add pkg that I created to a local repo using reprepro but this thing keeps telling me that it cannot find the orig.tar.gz needed by the dsc ! |
| 19:32.14 | dec3pti0n | but I do have that |
| 19:33.57 | jelly | setuid: if you see any "Architecture: i386" in your status file, it's broken. |
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| 19:34.28 | setuid | checks |
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| 19:35.08 | setuid | # grep Architecture status | grep i386 | wc -l |
| 19:35.08 | setuid | 737 |
| 19:35.53 | jelly | well. Either you ended up with a lying status file, or there really are i386 packages installed |
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| 19:36.27 | setuid | # dpkg -l | grep i386 |
| 19:36.27 | setuid | ii xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae 3.0.3-0-4 The Xen Hypervisor on i386 with pae |
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| 19:36.31 | setuid | that's th eonly one matching that |
| 19:36.43 | jelly | matching what. |
| 19:36.49 | setuid | the backups in /var/backups also have hundreds of i386 references |
| 19:37.02 | setuid | ...the only package matching i386 in the package name |
| 19:37.16 | setuid | is there a dpkg option to list the arch along with package name/version/description? |
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| 19:38.14 | jelly | awk '/^Package:/{p=$1}/^Architecture: i386$/{print p}' /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 19:38.33 | jelly | (lists all the supposed i386 packages |
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| 19:39.10 | setuid | Ok, that returns nothing other than "Package:" for every line |
| 19:39.21 | jelly | eh, make that $2 not $1 |
| 19:39.31 | setuid | # grep Package: /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep i386 |
| 19:39.32 | setuid | Package: libc6-i386 |
| 19:39.32 | setuid | Package: xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae |
| 19:39.32 | setuid | Package: libc6-dev-i386 |
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| 19:39.36 | setuid | crap, sorry |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:39.49 | jelly | setuid: I didn't ask for that. |
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| 19:41.10 | jelly | setuid: if you're determined to fix the current system, you'll want to figure out if the status file is lying, or if you really have i386 binaries installed where amd64 ones should be |
| 19:42.02 | jelly | setuid: so use that list of supposed i386 packages, and use file to see if their /usr/bin/stuffs are amd64 or i386, or if they exist at all. |
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| 19:42.31 | setuid | But if I'm using apt-get to update/install the system, it should only pull amd64 packages, right? |
| 19:42.41 | eject_ck | Hi all I need re-install package and overwrite existing config files and examples if they present |
| 19:42.41 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:42.51 | setuid | So as long as nothing is _already installed_ with i386, I should be fine going forward? |
| 19:42.58 | jelly | !tell eject_ck -about confmiss |
| 19:43.40 | jelly | setuid: you said there were 737 instances of Arch: i386. Some of those are likely to be in installed state. |
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| 19:44.19 | rpgdude | i just noticed, the virtual package java-compiler does not include openjdk |
| 19:44.37 | jelly | setuid: basically you want to either reinstall or remove all of those, to get back the status file into an arch-clean state |
| 19:44.49 | setuid | Why do so many packages have files that exist in other packages, but require each other? (console-tools and kbd for example) |
| 19:45.08 | jelly | setuid: there aren't that many. |
| 19:45.22 | setuid | jelly, Ok, I'll pick through the status file and dpkg -P everything that is an i386 that isn't _required_ to boot, or run the package management tools |
| 19:45.46 | jelly | setuid: how do you know what's "required to boot"? |
| 19:45.52 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/d78c3ecb1 |
| 19:46.23 | jelly | setuid: I'd storngly suggest first to reinstall stuff, and then remove it if you think it's unneeded. |
| 19:46.38 | setuid | jelly, I've been doing this long before distros had packages, I come from the Ygdrassil days, then Slackware... but as long as the basic libc, kernel image, etc. is untouched, the rest of userland can be nuked... for the most part |
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| 19:46.51 | setuid | reinstall? you mean over the top of the existing package? |
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| 19:47.18 | jelly | right. |
| 19:47.53 | jelly | overwrite whatever's on the system with proper amd64 files, and what's more important, fix the entries in status file |
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| 19:48.54 | setuid | fsck, apt requires libgcc1, which is i386 and because it's in the status file with that arch, reinstalling it, reinstalls that arch |
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| 19:49.07 | abrotman | hotwings: better? |
| 19:49.41 | jelly | setuid: does file /usr/bin/apt actually say it's a 32-bit file? |
| 19:50.25 | setuid | apt-get claims to be 64-bit |
| 19:50.39 | jelly | setuid: and some libgcc1 files? |
| 19:50.43 | setuid | ugh, this is a mess |
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| 19:50.56 | setuid | # file /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 19:50.56 | setuid | /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
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| 19:51.25 | jelly | ok, so your status file is lying |
| 19:51.28 | setuid | But gcc (32-bit) needs libgcc1 (64-bit? How is that possible?) and apt requires libgcc1. Something is tangled the wrong way here. |
| 19:51.36 | jelly | duh! |
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| 19:52.45 | jelly | if all of them are lying, you might as well do s/^(Architecture:) i386/\1 amd64/ |
| 19:53.13 | setuid | They're not, I'll --reinstall each one that claims to be i386 |
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| 19:53.46 | setuid | Man, I have no idea how this got into this state |
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| 19:55.18 | setuid | egrep '(^Package|^Architecture)' status | perl -pi -e 's,^Package,\n\nPackage,g' | grep -B1 i386 |
| 19:55.21 | setuid | That sort of sorts things out |
| 19:55.52 | setuid | egrep '(^Package|^Architecture)' status | perl -pi -e 's,^Package,\n\nPackage,g' | grep -B1 i386 | grep Package | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u | xargs -i apt-get --reinstall install "{}" |
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| 19:56.03 | setuid | clunky and hacky, but effective |
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| 19:59.14 | jelly | setuid: you forgot to do only those that are installed |
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| 20:01.10 | gothenburg | mupp |
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| 20:02.11 | jelly | setuid: awk '/^$/{p=""; s=0} /^Package: /{p=$2} /^Status: install/{s=1} /^Architecture: i386/ && s==1 {print p}' status |
| 20:02.38 | jelly | totally untested, naturally |
| 20:03.08 | jelly | (and it doesn't print those that are installed, but those that want to be installed) |
| 20:03.18 | abrotman | what is he trying to do? |
| 20:03.32 | jelly | reinstall everything that's arch i386 |
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| 20:04.41 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:05.30 | eptalon | apt-get/aptituide wants to deinstall dmsetup/lvm2 on upgrade (sid/unstable), isnt that a very bad idea for systems with lvm volumes? |
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| 20:05.44 | valdyn | eptalon: yes |
| 20:06.12 | ltech | IS bash scripting used the same way in debian as other distroes? |
| 20:06.31 | eptalon | ltech: for the same bash, yes. |
| 20:06.36 | setuid | jelly, abrotman thanks for the help... |
| 20:06.40 | valdyn | ltech: the same way as wherever bash runs, that includes about any os |
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| 20:06.47 | jelly | afk |
| 20:06.49 | valdyn | ltech: windows, solaris, whatever |
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| 20:07.10 | jelly | valdyn: except cygwin. |
| 20:07.26 | Quazar | lol @ cygwin |
| 20:07.26 | valdyn | jelly: cygwin has no bash? |
| 20:07.28 | axisys | my server network interface is not responding starting last night.. http://pastebin.com/d4caf3592 .. any suggestion how to troubleshoot it? |
| 20:07.31 | axisys | mii-tool is not helping |
| 20:07.34 | axisys | how do I check from console if the link light is on ? |
| 20:07.44 | jelly | valdyn: no. In cygwin, it's also the same, but 50 times slower. |
| 20:07.49 | Quazar | I could never get gcc to compile under cygwin |
| 20:07.53 | valdyn | oo |
| 20:08.23 | eptalon | can I pin the packages, so they dont get removed? |
| 20:08.29 | eptalon | if so, how? |
| 20:08.43 | valdyn | eptalon: i think just running "aptitude install lvm" will keep aptitude from autoremoving it |
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| 20:09.04 | valdyn | eptalon: not apt-get though |
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| 20:10.23 | valdyn | ltech: you sound like you are starting to learn programming with bash, thats a bad idea |
| 20:10.36 | abrotman | jelly: i thought he was on amd64? |
| 20:10.37 | LV-426 | looks like my video card is busted. it is lists through lspci but vga nor dvi outputs work. any way to access it's POST output or similar ? |
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| 20:10.46 | jelly | abrotman: yes he is. |
| 20:10.51 | abrotman | okay then ... |
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| 20:10.56 | jelly | exactly |
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| 20:11.16 | valdyn | some ia32-apt-get fuckup possibly |
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| 20:12.02 | jelly | in lenny? |
| 20:12.08 | valdyn | uh, no |
| 20:13.25 | ltech | valdyn, I know some c and c++ but a possible job offer, part time was offered to me and one of the req was learning bash scripting. |
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| 20:13.57 | ltech | Bash, Debian, VPN for linux are some of the requirments. |
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| 20:14.51 | abrotman | ltech: #debian-offtopic .. probably a better place |
| 20:14.54 | ltech | 10 years on linux for the most part but only for my own use. Come from a Windows support back ground and even worked for the evil empire testing w2k :) |
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| 20:15.12 | jelly | if you can find your way thru other people's C or C++ code, bash will likely be a piece of cake |
| 20:15.38 | dos000 | how do you show how many concurrent users are loged in apache2 ? |
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| 20:15.48 | valdyn | dos000: its always zero |
| 20:15.52 | ltech | still learning c++ :) I told the onwer one of my dreams is embeded programming and thats what he does :) |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | hopefully :) |
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| 20:16.02 | greycat | Users don't "log in" to a web server. |
| 20:16.06 | dos000 | valdyn, you mean the server is stateless ? |
| 20:16.07 | valdyn | dos000: theres no "logging into apache" |
| 20:16.15 | valdyn | dos000: yea |
| 20:16.38 | eptalon | greycat: If they do, you likely have a security problem. |
| 20:16.55 | greycat | They might log into some sort of web-based application you've written. |
| 20:17.04 | dos000 | valdyn, i have this php app .. and when we load test the server we need to be able to see how many unique cookies are flying by ... |
| 20:17.18 | valdyn | dos000: php is not apache |
| 20:17.19 | greycat | Tell your application to log them. |
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| 20:19.31 | Frx | would the debian installation cd #1 allow me to resize a partition? |
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| 20:19.40 | jelly | dos000: mod_status can show you the current open tcp sessions. php session directory can tell you how many session files not older than X are there. |
| 20:19.47 | eptalon | dos000: simply counting, or how many are there concurrently? |
| 20:19.47 | Frx | they way the ubuntu installation disc does it |
| 20:19.53 | Frx | the* |
| 20:20.14 | dos000 | eptalon, i need to know the consurrent ones |
| 20:20.20 | dos000 | jelly, ash! |
| 20:20.30 | Frx | or must i resize before ? |
| 20:20.31 | dos000 | jelly, i mean ah! |
| 20:20.33 | eptalon | Frx: depending on the FS, growing is possible, shrinking isn't- |
| 20:21.07 | Frx | eptalon : FS ? |
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| 20:21.12 | jelly | dos000: it's up to you to decide what "concurrent" means with php sessions where a user may have last connected 5 seconds or 15 minutes ago. |
| 20:21.21 | dos000 | jelly, there is also mod_usertrack i am trying to figure how it works |
| 20:21.25 | eptalon | Frx: ext3, xfs, jfs support growing, ext2 probably too. |
| 20:21.37 | dos000 | jelly, where is that dir ? |
| 20:21.50 | Frx | eptalon : i nedd to shrink the partition |
| 20:21.52 | jelly | dos000: dunno, but phpinfo() probably does |
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| 20:22.00 | dos000 | ah! |
| 20:22.01 | Frx | :( |
| 20:22.13 | jelly | or your php.ini |
| 20:22.19 | Frx | :S |
| 20:22.20 | jelly | or the docs |
| 20:22.30 | eptalon | Frx: honestly: copy over to some external disc, rebuild, copy back. |
| 20:22.39 | eptalon | or backup ot tape. |
| 20:22.49 | jelly | Frx: shrinking is an offline action for ext2/3 |
| 20:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of a guide for making a genric linux bootable CD into a bootable USB? |
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| 20:23.11 | Frx | jelly : no, the partition is ntfs |
| 20:23.27 | Frx | i have one larg partition |
| 20:23.39 | Frx | i need to split it to allow the installation of linux |
| 20:23.46 | jelly | Frx: ah. I haven't tried the new debian installer. gparted livecd can do it though. |
| 20:23.58 | Frx | yes |
| 20:24.07 | Frx | wish i had that with me today |
| 20:24.30 | jhutchins_lt | Frx: backing up the partition, deleteing and repartitioning, then restoring is likely to be faster than resizing. |
| 20:24.34 | Frx | even the partition magic cd that i have with me atm, doesnt work |
| 20:24.37 | eptalon | Frx: ntfsresize seems to be able to shrink. |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | Frx: resize operations are extremely slow. |
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| 20:24.54 | dos000 | jelly, psession.save_path no value :( |
| 20:25.19 | eptalon | Frx: plus backup/restore gives you a free backup you can keep. |
| 20:25.36 | Frx | eptalon : that comes as part of the isntallation process ? |
| 20:25.44 | eptalon | Frx: thats in ntfsprogs, I think |
| 20:25.47 | Frx | like is ntfsresize included in the debian cd |
| 20:25.56 | Frx | ok |
| 20:26.09 | eptalon | Frx: It can be installed as a package; |
| 20:26.24 | Frx | :( |
| 20:26.56 | greycat | There are various "boot CDs" out on the Internet that have NTFS tools on them. You can try one or more of those until you find something that works. |
| 20:26.57 | nick_h | why do the docs for Kernel#select say "See Kernel#select"? |
| 20:27.25 | Frx | greycat : i have one next to me that has partition magic, but its not working |
| 20:27.30 | eptalon | Frx: 266kb, installed, called "ntfsprogs" |
| 20:27.36 | Frx | is out of luck today |
| 20:28.20 | nick_h | whoops, wrong channel |
| 20:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | Frx: gnuparted has a live CD. |
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| 20:29.10 | Frx | eptalon : i need a linux system installed to make use of it |
| 20:29.26 | greycat | To get lenny installed on my current desktop dual-booter, I had to use THREE separate CDs: Hiren's boot CD ver 9.9, gparted live version 0.4.6-1 (i386) and Lenny custom 0627 i386 |
| 20:29.31 | Frx | i need to resize before isntalling :D |
| 20:29.43 | eptalon | Frx: tried using some livecd-based thingy? |
| 20:29.55 | greycat | One of them, I used to repair the NTFS partition (no administrator privileges on the Windows install, so I can't just run chkdsk /f C:) |
| 20:29.59 | Frx | yap |
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| 20:30.07 | Frx | the cd doesnt work |
| 20:30.14 | Frx | ...for some reason |
| 20:30.16 | greycat | One, to shrink the NTFS partition nondestructively. One, to install a custom kernel lenny that can see my NIC. |
| 20:30.18 | kr1s | Hi, i get a connection lost while doing a apt-get install on a remote system. Is it possible to reopen the ssh session? because root is still logged in |
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| 20:31.04 | greycat | Or maybe it was the hard disk controller it couldn't see. One or the other, or both. |
| 20:31.07 | abrotman | kr1s: next time use screen |
| 20:31.07 | jelly | greycat: what weird windows doesn't do automatic chkdsk after ntfsprogs mess with it? |
| 20:31.17 | eptalon | Frx: the last time I had cd doen't work was cd was broken. |
| 20:31.25 | greycat | jelly: and how would I run this "ntfsprogs" thing? |
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| 20:31.38 | kr1s | abrotman: okay, thx :=) |
| 20:31.51 | jelly | greycat: ntfsprogs is what gparted uses to resize ntfs |
| 20:32.10 | greycat | jelly: gparted kindly informed me that the partition was not in a clean state, and that I could fix it. |
| 20:32.16 | greycat | s/could/should/ |
| 20:32.18 | greycat | it's late. |
| 20:32.26 | valdyn | kr1s: hes not logged in if the connection is lost |
| 20:32.28 | jelly | greycat: ah. You need to fsck it before the resize. |
| 20:32.35 | jelly | needed* |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | jelly: bingo. Hence Hiren's boot CD. |
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| 20:32.53 | kr1s | valdyn: the users command shows 2 root user |
| 20:33.00 | greycat | I found a couple NTFS repair thingies on there, and the second one worked, even though it was in German and I had to guess what to do. |
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| 20:33.06 | eptalon | while i have you on the line, is hfsplus any good as a filesystem? |
| 20:33.18 | valdyn | kr1s: it will time out |
| 20:33.31 | kr1s | valdyn: okay, thx |
| 20:34.04 | eptalon | You know that filesystem used by macs... |
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| 20:34.41 | valdyn | eptalon: its not good on linux |
| 20:34.42 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Has it's good and bad points, like any filesystem will. |
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| 20:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | OS X is not happy with files bigger than 2G no matter what they're on. |
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| 20:35.43 | valdyn | umm |
| 20:36.24 | eptalon | valdyn: so I should reformat the western-digital external disk that came with it? |
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| 20:36.47 | valdyn | eptalon: how would i know? i dont know what you want to do |
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| 20:36.56 | Gunjubas | hi all |
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| 20:37.10 | valdyn | eptalon: hfsplus works for sharing data between osx and debian anyway |
| 20:37.21 | eptalon | valdyn: well i have this 1G external disk which is mostly connected to my (linux-only) comp. |
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| 20:37.39 | valdyn | eptalon: then put ext3 on it |
| 20:37.45 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, I'm pretty sure you can persuade OS X to read ext filesystems. |
| 20:38.13 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: OS X is a BSD kernel.. |
| 20:38.21 | eptalon | IIRC |
| 20:38.22 | mee | you can do it with FUSE |
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| 20:38.51 | eptalon | mee: I have no porblem reading or writing it; the question was more is there a better choice. |
| 20:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I believe it's derived from BSD, but not 100% the same. |
| 20:39.19 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I would stick with ext2/3 for linux use. |
| 20:39.25 | eptalon | uses XFS for most partitions, except the boot one; Grub can't read XFS yet. |
| 20:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: I thought I read that they'd fixed that. |
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| 20:40.15 | mee | I don't think there is a great solution for filesystems that need to be read (directly) by mac, linux and/or windows |
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| 20:40.44 | eptalon | mee: FAT32, if you can live with the 2G filesize limit. |
| 20:41.02 | Gunjubas | FAT32...hm....yeah! +1 |
| 20:41.10 | eptalon | mee: UDF if it's a read-only medium. |
| 20:41.17 | mee | that's a solution, but I don't think it's a great one |
| 20:41.46 | mee | they all suck in their own special ways, allowable characters in filenames, case (in)sensitivity, filesize limitations, etc. |
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| 20:42.09 | mee | linux reads udf ok? cool, didn't know that |
| 20:42.27 | Gunjubas | what u need also& |
| 20:42.29 | Gunjubas | ? |
| 20:42.33 | mee | oh, sorry was confusing it with ufs |
| 20:42.44 | eptalon | mee: I think you need to poke a little, and shake well before use, but generally, yes. |
| 20:42.56 | mee | udf looks cool |
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| 20:43.20 | eptalon | mee: its not really made for rewritable, though. |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, if something needs to be readable across all three platforms definitely vfat. |
| 20:44.36 | mee | vfat has worked well enough for me, yeah |
| 20:44.43 | mee | but there is definitely room for improvement |
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| 20:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | I worked with a guy who was always borrowing USB drives - and not returning them. I formatted my drives with EXT, and what do you know? They all came right back. (He runs Windows) |
| 20:46.11 | mee | I've seen windows show ext as 'unformatted'. you're lucky he didn't wipe and reformat them :) |
| 20:46.28 | Gunjubas | no..i use the ext3 driver |
| 20:46.37 | Gunjubas | and windows see it normaly |
| 20:46.43 | Gunjubas | one moment.... |
| 20:46.51 | eptalon | mee: never put on an uxternal drive what you don't have a copy of. |
| 20:47.48 | mee | sighs |
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| 20:51.38 | rgr | eptalon: why not? thats true of any data on any drive really. |
| 20:52.17 | abrotman | eptalon: unless you don't care about the data ? |
| 20:52.33 | eptalon | rgr: rugged hostile environment. |
| 20:52.55 | eptalon | abrotman: you have data you dont care about? |
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| 20:53.11 | abrotman | eptalon: lots and lots |
| 20:53.12 | stew | i do |
| 20:53.33 | eptalon | abrotman: that film/movie I watched yesterday.. |
| 20:53.42 | abrotman | eptalon: no, my firm has "throw-away-data" |
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| 20:54.04 | stew | /var/cache is filled with "throw-away-data" |
| 20:54.15 | eptalon | abrotman: Oh. you mean gap-fillers, you wrap the important stuff in? |
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| 20:54.36 | abrotman | eptalon: no .. stuff that could totally disappear and no one would care |
| 20:54.50 | abrotman | least of all me :) |
| 20:55.03 | eptalon | abrotman: money laundring? ;) |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | close |
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| 20:55.44 | eptalon | Offshore finance? ;) |
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| 20:55.58 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 20:56.10 | abrotman | eptalon: just call it testing data .. good enough ? |
| 20:56.21 | eptalon | ok. |
| 20:56.35 | rxvt | how do i change the screen res while useing JWM, and i have been there and no one is there |
| 20:58.06 | Cain | is there any difference between / and // ? |
| 20:58.15 | Cain | (on shell i mean) |
| 20:58.47 | zleap | not sure |
| 20:59.31 | eptalon | Cain: except for perl scripts, urls and other niceties I think // isn't really used much. |
| 20:59.34 | rpgdude | no i dont believe so |
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| 21:00.09 | Cain | eptalon : actually i mean in the prompt cd / lead to / | cd // lead to // and cd /// leads to / |
| 21:00.57 | eptalon | Cain: "/" is system root, absolute path. |
| 21:01.05 | Cain | eptalon : yes and // ? |
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| 21:01.50 | eptalon | Cain: / is an absolute path, so // doesn't make any sense, in that context. |
| 21:01.59 | eptalon | Cain: its not like . and .. |
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| 21:02.23 | Cain | eptalon : understand but why the system let me to be in // when i put in the prompt cd // ? |
| 21:02.41 | tpocra | With 2.6.31 in experimental, is there any firmware (free or non-free) left in the linux-image package?? |
| 21:03.08 | Cain | eptalon : (i'm just curious ^^) |
| 21:03.31 | eptalon | Cain: I dunno. |
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| 21:03.57 | ltech | thanks |
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| 21:08.35 | simonrvn | Cain: the shell collapsed the // to / |
| 21:09.21 | simonrvn | Cain: however, the shell - if it has a function for it - it can use that to expand or use it in some other way |
| 21:10.30 | eptalon | Cain: it's often used for search/replace things. |
| 21:10.48 | eptalon | Cain: or regexp parsing |
| 21:11.21 | Cain | simonrvn & eptalon : okay, sometimes by mistake (typing fast on keyboard) i used to be in // instead of / but all commands works just like if i am in / |
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| 21:11.56 | simonrvn | yes, that's the underlying shell, and os, doing that. |
| 21:12.27 | simonrvn | or *shudder* mounting samba shares |
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| 21:13.36 | eptalon | simonrvn: thats ewil. |
| 21:13.47 | eptalon | simonrvn: you should use nfs for that. |
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| 21:14.32 | simonrvn | that's what smbclient or whatever uses: // to indicate it. i don't use samba if i don't have to... |
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| 21:14.58 | simonrvn | so please don't tell me what i should use or not ;) |
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| 21:15.51 | simonrvn | i think something like mount -t cifs (or whatever) //servernameorip/share |
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| 21:16.14 | simonrvn | or smbclient... anyway, it's not common usage ;) |
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| 21:21.41 | dutchfish | maybe a stupid question, but does // escapes fakeroot ? |
| 21:22.05 | stew | dutchfish: what does "escapes fakeroot" mean? |
| 21:22.23 | McL0VIN | Titan8990: howdy there |
| 21:22.33 | adaro | Chroot ? |
| 21:22.43 | stew | fakeroot has nothing to do with chroot |
| 21:22.51 | Titan8990 | McL0VIN, sorry, no time to chat today, already staying after work |
| 21:22.57 | dutchfish | on kernelcompile time you can use things like make-kpkg --fakeroot foo, when one of your scripts use //foo |
| 21:23.12 | dutchfish | stew, true |
| 21:23.21 | McL0VIN | Titan8990: no worries, wish you best of luck buddy |
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| 21:23.49 | stew | dutchfish: so you are asking if referring to a file with // makes you drop root privileges? |
| 21:24.21 | dutchfish | stew, ... make you escape a fakeroot boundary? |
| 21:24.27 | stew | what boundary?> |
| 21:24.45 | stew | you mean does it make you su to another user? |
| 21:25.30 | stew | dutchfish: are you confusing fakeroot and chroot? |
| 21:25.31 | dutchfish | stew the emulation of root privilidges, yes |
| 21:25.51 | stew | i don't see how it would |
| 21:26.00 | dutchfish | ok, so it shoul dnot |
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| 21:26.10 | stew | dutchfish: you can test it yourself. run "fakeroot" and it will open a shell in the fakeroot environment |
| 21:26.12 | Kuifje111 | hello all. |
| 21:26.18 | dutchfish | stew, thank you |
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| 21:26.30 | Kuifje111 | how do I define the partition size using fdisk? |
| 21:27.17 | JPT | Kuifje111: i'd recommend you to read the manpage about fdisk. you can do a lot of bad stuff if you are not careful |
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| 21:28.43 | Kuifje111 | JPT: all right. |
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| 21:29.08 | JPT | :) |
| 21:29.25 | dutchfish | stew, i ask this because mudle compile of alsa-driver chokes on it |
| 21:29.30 | Piet | does one of you happen to have a samsung nc20 and could run an lspci -nn on it (and share the output with me)? |
| 21:29.33 | dutchfish | s/mudle/module |
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| 21:30.12 | akhenat0n | Kuifje111 you'll learn more from playing around with it than from the man page |
| 21:30.21 | stew | dutchfish: did they choke with permission denied errors? |
| 21:30.29 | dutchfish | stew, yep |
| 21:30.55 | stew | dutchfish: do they work with real root? |
| 21:30.56 | Kuifje111 | yeah, what I did is this "fdisk /dev/sda" and then create a partition, but I didnt define the size and I wanted it to use all the space, but now it's a bit less. |
| 21:31.07 | stew | dutchfish: which is probably not a really good idea to try :) |
| 21:31.11 | dutchfish | stew, squeeze amd64 debian atm |
| 21:31.29 | akhenat0n | Kuifje111 just delete the partition and start again :-) |
| 21:31.32 | dutchfish | stew, i have tested under kvm, and yes that works |
| 21:31.37 | Kuifje111 | yeah, will do that. |
| 21:32.14 | akhenat0n | you're safe as long as you don't write any changes to the disk @ Kuifje111 |
| 21:32.19 | dutchfish | stew, the part where it chokes contains many foo//foo |
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| 21:32.30 | Kuifje111 | the HDD is empty anyway. |
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| 21:32.48 | dutchfish | stew, i will delve further into it, thank you again |
| 21:32.59 | akhenat0n | good :-) play to your heart's content then :-) |
| 21:33.12 | abrotman | Kuifje111: you may find cfdisk a bit more friendly |
| 21:33.13 | helo | anyone know why executing scripts from inittab could cause they keyboard to miss keys in X? |
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| 21:39.16 | bohm | hello, need a quick help, please: console-setup has set a weird keyboard for me and all the usual ASCII characters are now bogus and cannot be inserted. is it possible to disable "setting preliminary keymap" before booting the kernel? |
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| 21:48.19 | Frx | hello again |
| 21:48.50 | Frx | my WiFi Link 5100 doesnt work on the latest stable linux |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | !tell frx about iwl5100 |
| 21:49.26 | Frx | and during installation i didnt configure the network devices |
| 21:49.42 | Frx | so all the ifconfig shows me is the localloop |
| 21:50.43 | Frx | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn should be the answer |
| 21:50.54 | Frx | anyways |
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| 21:51.14 | Frx | abrotman: also the network card doesnt work |
| 21:51.30 | Frx | well, it seems to detect it , but i cant use it |
| 21:51.46 | Frx | ifconfig doesnt have anything but localhost |
| 21:52.23 | Frx | and in the gui network tool, if i configure something, it doesnt save |
| 21:53.02 | Frx | or in other words, anything i set using the gui tool, isnt applied |
| 21:53.05 | Frx | any suggestions? |
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| 22:03.31 | octo_ | dp we have cron.daily and cron.month and cron.d ? |
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| 22:05.04 | abrotman | !tell frx about kmuto |
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| 22:07.59 | wr| | hi, I have a slightly strange problem with my X server: it's running on tty13, hence I cannot reach it with C-M-F13. Any other way to get there? |
| 22:08.08 | wr| | or to prevent X from spawning on tty's with no F key? |
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| 22:10.00 | elli222 | wr|, Right Alt (or AltGR) and F1 |
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| 22:10.40 | wr| | elli222, whow, thanks, you saved my session! |
| 22:10.44 | elli222 | that sould get you to tty13 :P |
| 22:11.03 | elli222 | you can have up to 24 vt's/sessions |
| 22:11.34 | elli222 | 1-12 using left alt, 13-24 using right alt. neat little known feature :P |
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| 22:21.32 | wr| | I will spread the news!@ |
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| 22:25.12 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 22:27.00 | Laidback_01 | do I have a voice? |
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| 22:29.49 | Xenguy | no :P |
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| 22:36.29 | starenka_ | !tell starenka about !build |
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| 22:43.53 | Kuifje111 | could anyone help me on this one, I really have no clue anymore. I am trying to create one partition using fdisk, it regards an 1TB HDD. the partition must be as big as possible, so ideally 1TB. Now my question is what value should I enter when fdisk asks for the last cylinder to create a partition of 1TB? |
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| 22:44.39 | starenka_ | Kuifje111: do you have gparted/kparted? |
| 22:44.48 | Kuifje111 | no, I do not. |
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| 22:45.12 | abrotman | Kuifje111: didn't i tell you to try cfdisk a long time ago ? |
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| 22:45.32 | Kuifje111 | yeah, but I want to achieve it with fdisk. |
| 22:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: Doesn't it default to the last cylinder? |
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| 22:45.54 | Kuifje111 | yeah, I did that, but that somehow didnt fully use all the space. |
| 22:46.24 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: I would seriously cnsider abrotman's suggestion then. |
| 22:46.31 | Kuifje111 | ok. |
| 22:46.46 | Kuifje111 | will give it a try. |
| 22:46.58 | abrotman | Kuifje111: how much space was wasted ? |
| 22:47.06 | Kuifje111 | quite some GB. |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | Kuifje111: put it in a pastebin and show us |
| 22:48.09 | Kuifje111 | I am trying cfdisk now |
| 22:48.13 | klaas | if you delete all partitions on the disc and create a new one it should suggest the maximum values as defaults |
| 22:48.15 | Kuifje111 | maybe that'll give me some luck. |
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| 22:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: There's also gparted which might look at the disk differently. |
| 22:49.21 | Kuifje111 | this should work I guess. |
| 22:49.23 | guysoft42 | hey all, i am trying to build a package. although running plain 'make' works fine, dpkg-buildpackage seems to have a problem, here is the output :http://pastebin.com/m7e9b2c33 . i am trying to build with scratch box for armel |
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| 22:49.31 | Kuifje111 | will format it now. |
| 22:50.43 | Kuifje111 | be right back. |
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| 22:58.18 | blizzow1 | I've seriously munged up my gnome installation. To the point where no glib applications will start. Everything fails with errors like this... http://paste.debian.net/49653/ |
| 22:58.18 | blizzow1 | Is there a quick way to reinstall the entire gnome-desktop and its dependencies? I tried aptitude reinstall gnome-desktop-environment and that seems to only reinstall the metapackage. |
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| 22:59.00 | blizzow1 | I've also tried aptitude reinstall pangostufff atkstuff fontconfigstuff glibstuff gtk2stuff |
| 22:59.10 | blizzow1 | that didn't work wither |
| 22:59.24 | abrotman | is this lenny ? |
| 22:59.24 | blizzow1 | /s/w/e |
| 22:59.28 | blizzow1 | abrotman: yes |
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| 23:00.09 | abrotman | blizzow1: if you 'aptitude install gnome' .. does anything get installed ? |
| 23:00.34 | abrotman | so what did you do to screw it up that badly ? |
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| 23:01.58 | foo | I installed something from source and deleted the source files. How can I delete it? Should I download source, and reinstall over the install... and then remove? |
| 23:02.10 | pipeline | foo: there's no easy way to do it |
| 23:02.13 | blizzow1 | abrotman: Nothing happens, so I tried aptitude reinstall gnome, it says it replaced gnome, but the problem doesn't go away. |
| 23:02.28 | abrotman | blizzow1: so what did you do to make this happen? did oyu try as a new user ? |
| 23:02.31 | foo | pipeline: how would I have removed if it was just from source? |
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| 23:03.00 | blizzow1 | I munged it up by trying to manually install a newer version of gdk-pixbuf2. |
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| 23:03.42 | abrotman | uhm .. that was a horrible idea |
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| 23:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | foo: 1) This is why we use package mangers. 2) Did you read the README files? Does it have a make uninstall target? 3) This is also why we pipe or tee the output of make install to a log file. |
| 23:04.22 | blizzow1 | Hugin was segfaulting like a little b**ch so I wanted to try a pull from the svn tree. It was moaning about gdk-pixbuf loaders, so I tried to install that. In retrospect it was a terrible idea. |
| 23:04.22 | abrotman | and use stow/checkinstal |
| 23:04.39 | foo | jhutchins_lt: 1) if package managers could keep up with the latest versions, I wouldn't need to install from source 2) I'll check |
| 23:04.45 | foo | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 23:04.45 | abrotman | blizzow1: so you broke the whole thing! |
| 23:04.56 | blizzow1 | yes. |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | blizzow1: you could use something like debsums to see what has been changed |
| 23:05.09 | jhutchins_lt | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 23:05.29 | blizzow1 | jhutchins, no data destroyed. Just icons. |
| 23:05.33 | blizzow1 | pretty little icons. |
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| 23:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | foo: There's a reason that packages don't keep up with the bleeding edge: It's not stable. It breaks. |
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| 23:07.16 | foo | jhutchins_lt: :) You win. It was gnuplot, I bet it has an uninstall, but let me see |
| 23:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | One of the first things I did with linux is break a system by installing "more advanced" packages from a related distro. |
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| 23:10.09 | blizzow1 | abrotman: let's assume I did break the whole gnome installation, is there a quick way to make aptitude reinstall the entire gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 23:10.42 | abrotman | blizzow1: you could easily reinstall all packages .. not sure about just a subset |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | blizzow1: you could also aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment .. copy the list of packages it wants to remove .. the feed that into a reinstall command |
| 23:11.59 | abrotman | blizzow1: let's try something else first |
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| 23:12.18 | blizzow1 | Sure. |
| 23:12.52 | abrotman | blizzow1: apt-cache depends gnome-desktop-environment | grep Depends | awk '{print $2}' > /tmp/pkglist |
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| 23:13.25 | blizzow1 | aptitude reinstall those? |
| 23:13.29 | abrotman | blizzow1: that should give you a list of packages it depends on |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | yep |
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| 23:16.07 | blizzow1 | here goes nothing. |
| 23:16.47 | stew | aptitude reinstall '~i~Rgnome-desktop-environment' ? |
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| 23:18.07 | abrotman | wouldn't that only do Recommends ? |
| 23:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Um, that doesn't sound right. I've got two systems that don't have gnome, and apt-cache works fine. |
| 23:18.20 | stew | no, reverse depends |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: huh ? |
| 23:18.33 | stew | abrotman: yours would do Recommends and Conflicts and Breaks |
| 23:18.39 | stew | etc |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | stew: i grepped for Depends |
| 23:19.03 | stew | ahh |
| 23:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: dpkg --list gnome returns gnome-audio and gnome-icon-theme |
| 23:19.32 | stew | anyway recommends would be something like ~R:recommends:g-d-e but I can never actually remember that syntax |
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| 23:19.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: uhm .. i'm not seeing your point ? |
| 23:20.50 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Clearly it's possible to install it without. |
| 23:21.31 | blizzow1 | how would I see the inverse dependencies (eg packages I have already installed on my system that require fontconfig and/or pango)? |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: whatever you're trying to say .. it's not making sense |
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| 23:22.41 | abrotman | blizzow1: apt-cache rdepends |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | blizzow1: or aptitude search '~Rfoo' .. according to what stew said above |
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| 23:23.41 | stew | blizzow1: aptitude search '~i~Rpango' |
| 23:24.29 | blizzow1 | wow, pretty much everything depends on fontconfig. |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | oh, the ~i is required ? |
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| 23:25.07 | Gr1 | Greetings .. Is there any way I can integrate ldap client authentication using preseed ? |
| 23:25.13 | stew | abrotman: it limites the search to installed packages |
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| 23:25.35 | Kuifje111 | weirdddddd. the problem persists. |
| 23:25.48 | Kuifje111 | "/dev/sda1 917G 200M 871G 1% /mnt/sda" |
| 23:25.55 | Kuifje111 | how is this possible? |
| 23:25.57 | Sergio` | I received a kernel message saying that my partition had a I/O error. I umounted it and I'm trying to fsck it but it's saying device or resource busy, I did lsof on it and nothing is using it. What can I do? |
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| 23:26.41 | Gr1 | The packages that I need to install using preseed are libpam-ldap libnss-ldap nss-updatedb libnss-db |
| 23:27.12 | Gr1 | which is the partition that you are trying to umount? |
| 23:27.22 | Gr1 | Sergio`:? |
| 23:27.47 | Sergio` | Gr1: /dev/hda1 but it's umounted already. |
| 23:28.05 | blizzow1 | Sergio`: you could try umount -l /dev/hda1 |
| 23:28.14 | Sergio` | I did -l |
| 23:28.33 | Sergio` | umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted |
| 23:28.47 | abrotman | stew: i'm hoping that it's a reverse depends it's already installed ? |
| 23:28.52 | Gr1 | which was the mount point? |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | stew: eh .. ignore that :) |
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| 23:29.06 | Sergio` | Gr1: /media/downloads |
| 23:29.23 | Gr1 | lsof | grep -i media |
| 23:29.28 | Gr1 | Anything returns? |
| 23:29.33 | Sergio` | Let me see. |
| 23:29.37 | Kuifje111 | how is it possible that the size of this partition is 917GB, but that there's only 871GB available? "/dev/sda1 917G 200M 871G 1% /mnt/sda". The HDD/partition is empty. |
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| 23:30.28 | Sergio` | Gr1: I have more mount points in /media but lsof returns nothing for /media/downloads |
| 23:31.04 | Gr1 | or just grep lsof | grep -i downloads |
| 23:31.20 | Sergio` | Gr1: nothing. |
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| 23:31.33 | ksnp | i have heard webmin is bad for debian |
| 23:31.35 | ksnp | how about munin ? |
| 23:31.50 | ksnp | to see the status ? |
| 23:31.51 | Gr1 | If you are trying to fsck, then you can try remounting the partition in ro mode |
| 23:32.01 | Gr1 | That should work |
| 23:32.04 | Sergio` | I'll try. |
| 23:32.17 | Sergio` | mount -ro /dev/hda1 /media/downloads? |
| 23:33.17 | Sergio` | mount -r got it but... |
| 23:33.29 | Sergio` | mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/downloads busy |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | Kuifje111: ext3 ? |
| 23:33.38 | Gr1 | mount -t <filesystem>,ro /dev/xyz /mountpoint I guess so |
| 23:33.43 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: yes. |
| 23:33.48 | mazzanet | grrr |
| 23:33.52 | mazzanet | why did amarok have to change its playlist format |
| 23:33.53 | mazzanet | ...silently |
| 23:33.53 | simonrvn | -o ro |
| 23:33.58 | Gr1 | Thn mount -o remount,ro /dev/xxx /mountpoint |
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| 23:34.13 | abrotman | Kuifje111: what is it mounted as ? |
| 23:34.38 | Sergio` | Gr1: mount -t auto -o ro /dev/hda1 /media/downloads gives the same message. |
| 23:34.39 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: I used "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda" to mount it. |
| 23:34.45 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 23:34.59 | abrotman | whatever .. df -h /mnt/sda .. what does it show ? |
| 23:35.06 | blizzow1 | Reinstalling changed my error slightly when starting up gnome programs.... http://paste.debian.net/49680 |
| 23:35.07 | Gr1 | what is the output of df -h? |
| 23:35.23 | Sergio` | Gr1: it's not there, did that already. |
| 23:35.30 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: this "/dev/sda1 917G 200M 871G 1% /mnt/sda" |
| 23:35.30 | blizzow1 | I'm thinking I have to do something with fontconfig and pango ;) |
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| 23:35.46 | Gr1 | Is it done through fstab or autofs? |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | Kuifje111: did you do that as root or as a regular user ? |
| 23:35.59 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: as root. |
| 23:36.02 | Sergio` | Gr1: today I arrived home and had kernel problems, ALSA problems and two of my partitions failed. |
| 23:36.06 | Sergio` | fstab |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | Kuifje111: did you sync it? fsck it? |
| 23:36.44 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: no, never did that. |
| 23:36.47 | Sergio` | Maybe somebody doesn't like me or maybe my Debian just got unstable after 4 months working well. |
| 23:36.51 | Gr1 | Then I think the better option is to comment the entry in fstab and reboot |
| 23:37.11 | Gr1 | Anyway it is /media/downloads right? |
| 23:37.24 | Sergio` | I was thinking about reboot but I'll hold a bit more, I'm doing some stuff. |
| 23:37.29 | Sergio` | Yes. |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | Sergio`: it's possible the device is dying |
| 23:39.23 | Sergio` | abrotman: what about the kernel and ALSA? And it was not just one HDD, it were two of them. |
| 23:39.35 | Gr1 | Any idea on how to use ldap client authentication setup using preseed? |
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| 23:40.31 | Sergio` | I didn't touch anything for that to happen. |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | Sergio`: HDD controller ? |
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| 23:41.07 | Sergio` | I don't know. |
| 23:41.28 | Sergio` | One is USB and the other is IDE. |
| 23:42.36 | Sergio` | abrotman: I suppose that when someone exploits a system nothing shows up anywhere, right? |
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| 23:42.58 | Sergio` | Just to know. |
| 23:43.00 | abrotman | something like that doesn't imply exploited to me |
| 23:43.13 | Sergio` | It was just strange. |
| 23:43.20 | Sergio` | My system was perfect. |
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| 23:45.08 | Sergio` | It happened all today, problems with the kernel, ALSA, and two partitions. |
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| 23:48.40 | DynamicPink | How do you downgrade from squeeze to lenny using apt? |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | you don't |
| 23:49.02 | abrotman | !tell DynamicPink about downgrade |
| 23:49.55 | DynamicPink | squeeze is causing all kinds of lockups, and things to stop working. |
| 23:50.28 | DynamicPink | The scroll on the touchpad no longer works. Random lock-ups at boot. etc. |
| 23:51.57 | stew | DynamicPink: if you are having lots of problems with lots of different software, I'd tend to guess that hardware is the problem, not software |
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| 23:53.14 | DynamicPink | dbus and synaptics updated and the problems started after that. |
| 23:53.31 | stew | DynamicPink: have you checked the bts? |
| 23:54.03 | stew | DynamicPink: though if you are having random lock-ups, you should run memtest86 |
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| 23:54.44 | DynamicPink | stew: it isn't the RAM. They updated squeeze, and things started breaking. |
| 23:54.47 | Mac345 | hi in debian screen how do you create a new window? |
| 23:55.11 | stew | DynamicPink: how did you determine it wasn't the ram? |
| 23:55.25 | stew | Mac345: "ctrl-a c" by default |
| 23:55.41 | Mac345 | weirdly thats not working for me |
| 23:56.03 | DynamicPink | stew, my touchpad always had scroll on the right side, and bottom. With the options, check or unchecked, the scroll on the touchpad stopped working. |
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| 23:56.57 | stew | DynamicPink: are you using the synaptics X driver? |
| 23:57.04 | Jullyend | hi |
| 23:57.05 | DynamicPink | stew, I used to be able to shut down the machine in Gnome by selecting shutdown. It now goes back to the logon screen when I choose shutdown. KDE does that nonsense, which is why I used Gnome. |
| 23:57.08 | Jullyend | Can anyone help me set up snort? |
| 23:57.13 | stew | Mac345: does "ctrl-a : screen <enter>" work? |
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| 23:57.47 | DynamicPink | stew, I'm not sure on the synaptics driver. |
| 23:57.54 | stew | DynamicPink: check |
| 23:57.54 | Mac345 | ctrl-a d works ctrl-a n return no other window |
| 23:58.07 | Mac345 | but ctrl-a c = nothing :/ |
| 23:58.39 | Mac345 | how do i do a ctrl-a : screen <enter>" ? |
| 23:58.40 | stew | Mac345: "ctrl-a :" will let you type a command by name. the "screen" command is the command that is typically run by ctrl-a c |
| 23:58.55 | DynamicPink | Would the synaptics driver keep GDM from loading randomly too? That started with one of the last mega updates that were pushed out. |
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| 23:59.05 | stew | Mac345: hold control, hit a, releaes control, hit : type "screen", hit enter |
| 23:59.06 | Jullyend | hi |
| 23:59.17 | blizzow1 | okay, I'm throwing in the towel, what's the best way to reinstall all packages instead of just gnome. |
| 23:59.27 | stew | DynamicPink: no, it wouldn't. are you using the synaptics driver? |
| 23:59.37 | stew | blizzow1: aptitude reinstall '~i' |
| 23:59.47 | stew | blizzow1: what makes you think you need to reinstall packages? |