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| 00:00.12 | abrotman | stew: he tried to install glib from source or something like that |
| 00:00.25 | Mac345 | stew nope |
| 00:00.28 | stew | in /usr or /usr/local? |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | he never specified but he did say he had 'removed' it |
| 00:01.01 | DynamicPink | stew, pardon my ignorance, but how does one tell? I did a ps -ef | grep naptic and it didn't find anything |
| 00:01.02 | abrotman | (i think) |
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| 00:01.58 | stew | DynamicPink: the X server logs to /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:02.20 | stew | DynamicPink: if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you should try moving that file out of the way and see if it works better without having that file there |
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| 00:03.40 | DynamicPink | Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"\ |
| 00:04.14 | stew | DynamicPink: does it scroll if you use two fingers at the same time (instead of using the right hand border) |
| 00:04.46 | DynamicPink | stew, yes |
| 00:05.30 | stew | DynamicPink: ok, so you just need to know how to reconfigure the synaptics driver |
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| 00:06.00 | DynamicPink | stew, I never changed the driver. It has always been controlled from the Gnome touchpad applet. |
| 00:06.01 | stew | DynamicPink: which these days is done with synclient / syndaemon afaik |
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| 00:06.21 | stew | DynamicPink: you are using the lenny driver or the squeeze driver? |
| 00:06.48 | DynamicPink | stew, as far as I know, squeeze. |
| 00:07.09 | stew | yes, this stuff changed from lenny to squeeze |
| 00:07.40 | stew | DynamicPink: though i believe squeeze is in the middle of a big gnome transition. I have no idea how the newer gnome handles this stuff or not |
| 00:08.06 | DynamicPink | why didn't they update the gnome applet then? Changing functionality without updating the tool doesn't make sense. |
| 00:08.37 | stew | DynamicPink: who is "they"? |
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| 00:09.21 | DynamicPink | Whomever is pushing out driver updates at Debian. |
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| 00:09.51 | stew | DynamicPink: are you sure they didn't? |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | trackpoint FTW!! |
| 00:10.11 | stew | DynamicPink: which package are you talking about? is the same version of that package available in both squeeze and sid? |
| 00:10.38 | DynamicPink | The boxes in the Touchpad applet say right side scroll, and bottom scroll. There is no mention of needing 2 fingers for it to function. |
| 00:10.43 | stew | DynamicPink: note that gnome is huge and very hard to transition into testing when a new major version comes out, and when it happens it is expected to be broken in testing for long periods of time |
| 00:10.58 | stew | DynamicPink: have you checked the bts? |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | i think it's mostly in now ... |
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| 00:11.23 | DynamicPink | stew, no I haven't. |
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| 00:12.22 | jimmybgood | are the transitions from unstable to testing automated? or does a person make a choice? |
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| 00:13.49 | abrotman | jimmybgood: huh ? you mean the othe rway around? or when the packages migrate ? |
| 00:13.57 | Mac345 | stew infact ctrl+a :screen enter works |
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| 00:14.06 | jimmybgood | when the packages migrate |
| 00:14.07 | Mac345 | just ctrl+a c doesnt |
| 00:14.20 | stew | DynamicPink: you should. and see if the package in sid is newer. you should consider filing a bug |
| 00:14.23 | stew | jimmybgood: its automated |
| 00:14.38 | DynamicPink | Thanks for the help stew, and abrotman. |
| 00:15.05 | stew | jimmybgood: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing describes the decisions made |
| 00:15.23 | stew | jimmybgood: though humans can override the automated decisions (specifically the Release Managers) |
| 00:15.25 | Mac345 | i did the ctrl+a : thing worn before hehe |
| 00:15.33 | Mac345 | wrong* |
| 00:15.40 | stew | Mac345: do you have a .screenrc ? |
| 00:15.45 | Mac345 | yeah |
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| 00:16.03 | Mac345 | startup_message off |
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| 00:16.06 | Mac345 | only line |
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| 00:16.39 | jimmybgood | stew: yes, that's the vague understanding I had. Explains why things can get broken and why they call it "testing" |
| 00:16.48 | stew | Mac345: does "ctrl-a c" work after you do "ctrl-a : bind c screen" ? |
| 00:16.52 | blizzow1 | when I'm trying to aptitude reinstall '~i', I get all these messages being unable to locate a file for {oldpackage-name} that were once upgraded. Is there a way I can purge all of them at once? |
| 00:17.07 | stew | Mac345: ("bind c screen" meaning make "ctrl-a c" run "screen" command) |
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| 00:19.06 | Mac345 | nope |
| 00:19.32 | Mac345 | tried ':bind c screen' & ': bind c screen' |
| 00:19.46 | Mac345 | or do i have to be root? |
| 00:20.41 | stew | no |
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| 00:21.39 | fmr | hi |
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| 00:21.56 | Mac345 | tried reinstallin screen still now c :( |
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| 00:22.39 | fmr | what about the bad openal version in SID ? |
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| 00:25.06 | stew | fmr: can you ask a more specific question? |
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| 00:25.48 | MattCampbell | When booting the Debian installer, is there a way to specify additional module parameters on the kernel command line? |
| 00:25.58 | MattCampbell | Specifically, I want to pass the nodma=ide0 parameter to the ide_core module |
| 00:28.04 | fmr | stew: hum I've found that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=83663 |
| 00:28.12 | fmr | stew: my prog crash on alGenSources |
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| 00:29.32 | stew | !dbugs 83663 |
| 00:29.36 | dpkg | DONE:#83663:I[libopenal0] alGenSources segfaults (); Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:06:34 UTC [] |
| 00:29.46 | stew | fmr: that bug was fixed 8.5 years ago? |
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| 00:30.19 | Mac345 | hmm so i need to file a bug report or something? |
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| 00:32.55 | fmr | stew: it is now reborn ) |
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| 00:35.17 | deco | lenny doesn't use hal right ? |
| 00:35.34 | abrotman | it can/does |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | but use it for what? |
| 00:36.04 | deco | i don't belive you |
| 00:36.36 | deco | if it's enabled why is tapclick enabled on laptops ? |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | don't believe me ? |
| 00:37.31 | markybob | hrm |
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| 00:37.53 | objorn | if i place fonts in ~/.fonts and do sudo fc-cache -f -v will the fonts be added to the system or is that just a ubuntu thing? |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | depending on which packages you have installed, it does use hal .. |
| 00:38.23 | deco | oh god |
| 00:38.27 | markybob | objorn, you'll lead to log out and back in, but yeah |
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| 00:38.57 | abrotman | did i miss something ? |
| 00:39.02 | objorn | markybob: why log in and log out? |
| 00:39.03 | markybob | abrotman, no. he's a moron |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | just checking .. |
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| 00:40.34 | objorn | i didn't have to log out, it works just fine |
| 00:40.38 | objorn | thanks for the confirmation |
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| 00:41.46 | iluminator101 | Streamtuner crashes when i try to tune in, why? |
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| 00:54.19 | iluminator101 | is xmms availabe on lenny repos? |
| 00:55.04 | markybob | iluminator101, it's xmms2 |
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| 00:55.30 | iluminator101 | what i am trying to do is sync it with streamtuner |
| 00:56.07 | markybob | iluminator101, xmms2 and streamtuner are both in lenny |
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| 00:59.08 | abrotman | audacity ? |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | erm ... audacious |
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| 01:19.20 | Hodapp | I'm doing a netinstall of Lenny on AMD64, and it seems to halt partway through. If I switch to another VT, a message is sitting there: Do you want to ignore these warnings and proceed anyway? |
| 01:20.02 | Hodapp | and I can't seem to enter "yes" anyplace |
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| 01:21.56 | abrotman | !5% error |
| 01:21.57 | dpkg | i heard 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
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| 01:22.39 | Hodapp | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | don't thank me til it works |
| 01:23.09 | rdvonz | Hey everyone, I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I have NO cd drive on my computer but want to install debian. Flash drive method doesn't work. This may be a stupid question, but thought I might ask. |
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| 01:25.17 | Hodapp | hmm. I thought this disc was Lenny, not Etch. But who knows. |
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| 01:27.50 | iluminator101 | Is anyone able to get streamtuner working with debian sqeeze? |
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| 01:32.31 | reklipz | Is it possible to install the latest http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ using hd-media? |
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| 01:33.22 | reklipz | I keep getting kernel mismatch erros when i try.. |
| 01:33.28 | simonrvn | if it exists, you can *try* but don't count on it working properly |
| 01:34.03 | reklipz | hd-media goods from here: http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/amd64/daily/ |
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| 01:34.35 | simonrvn | it *is* sid ... |
| 01:34.45 | reklipz | what about squeeze? |
| 01:34.50 | reklipz | I'm fine with that |
| 01:34.58 | simonrvn | you should file a report then. same, it's testing. |
| 01:35.26 | reklipz | hmm, I think there is already one filed |
| 01:35.59 | reklipz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549373 |
| 01:37.03 | reklipz | It seems the only way is via cd-rom |
| 01:37.33 | reklipz | So, testing == squeeze = sid? |
| 01:37.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:38.15 | reklipz | oh, sorry, i misinterpreted your reply |
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| 01:38.25 | simonrvn | squeeze's is assumed to have gone through some testing, hence the name (not code name, release name). |
| 01:38.28 | reklipz | same, in regards to "it not working properly" |
| 01:38.58 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:39.03 | iluminator101 | abortman:how do you set audacious to streamtuner? |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | no |
| 01:40.14 | simonrvn | reklipz: like i said, there's better chances for squeeze's to work, but it's not guaranteed to do so. |
| 01:40.51 | reklipz | simonrvn: roger, thanks |
| 01:41.01 | reklipz | The latest squeeze image is from may... |
| 01:41.04 | reklipz | is that correct? |
| 01:41.29 | reklipz | (for amd64, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/) |
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| 01:43.43 | abrotman | reklipz: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:44.55 | reklipz | abrotman: but that says that daily is symlinked to sid_di |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | reklipz: huh ? |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | that's the netinst you want ? |
| 01:45.52 | reklipz | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 01:45.57 | reklipz | i dont want sid |
| 01:46.02 | abrotman | it's not .. |
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| 01:46.06 | reklipz | but it is |
| 01:46.15 | markybob | no. it's testing |
| 01:46.16 | liable | dailies install testing |
| 01:46.35 | reklipz | hmm, sooo confusing |
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| 01:47.04 | reklipz | ok, it installs lenny using the sid d-i |
| 01:47.08 | reklipz | err, squeeze |
| 01:47.09 | jpinx-eeepc | reklipz: if it's confusing - stick to lenny ;) |
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| 01:52.38 | mee | why does tzdata update so often? |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | mee: there was a note sent about it |
| 01:53.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | would -security and -volatile be called 'releases' or 'pockets' or something else? |
| 01:53.05 | liable | blame jamaica |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | liable: it's argentina this time |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: repositories ? |
| 01:53.27 | liable | ah, i was wondering if i got that wrong |
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| 01:53.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: ok. i thought repository referred to the whole lot |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: source? |
| 01:54.10 | jpinx-eeepc | releases? |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | liable: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551195 |
| 01:54.22 | mee | abrotman: sorry, I'm new to debian. How do I see this note? |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | mee: i saw a notice somewhere .. |
| 01:55.03 | abrotman | mee: i can't recall where though |
| 01:55.09 | liable | abrotman: i just saw a news headline saying that somewhere had just decided to change to DST or something. thought it was jamaica, obviously it was argentina |
| 01:55.12 | mee | maybe this http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2009l-0lenny1/changelog |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | mee: yes, the changelog will tell you what happeend .. but not that it's coming |
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| 01:55.56 | abrotman | liable: or apparently decided to not move to DST |
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| 01:56.04 | liable | or that.. |
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| 02:03.21 | Web114 | hello as prompt |
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| 02:07.56 | Web114 | question: as debian is intalling newbie yet integrator |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:08.09 | liable | huh? |
| 02:08.18 | liable | jinx! |
| 02:08.41 | Web114 | prompt: pulling response |
| 02:08.48 | liable | bot |
| 02:08.54 | Web114 | hello |
| 02:09.04 | liable | or stupid troll |
| 02:09.33 | Web114 | liable as ignorant |
| 02:09.50 | Web114 | talk to me that was b i t c h |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | Web114: Do you need help? |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | Web114: Do you need help? |
| 02:10.10 | Web114 | was as way m to f |
| 02:10.15 | liable | yes, but not the sort we give here |
| 02:10.31 | abrotman | Web114: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 02:11.01 | simonrvn | very likely not.... gotta ask anyway. |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | moo |
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| 02:13.13 | peterrooney | I sense a lemur in the room. |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | a who ? |
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| 02:14.31 | liable | badger |
| 02:15.09 | peterrooney | lemurs have opposable thumbs. |
| 02:15.40 | liable | badgers have disposable thumbs! |
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| 02:16.08 | laurelraven | too bad for them they don't also have disposable income |
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| 02:31.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 02:31.19 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:32.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 02:33.44 | abrotman | !flow |
| 02:33.44 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:33.45 | dpkg | <resiak> Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
| 02:34.13 | paul424 | hey could someone send me its menu file written in xml ? should in ~/.gnome or ~/.gconf path ... any ideas ? please help me I don't have debian gnome-package ... |
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| 02:35.44 | abrotman | paul424: could you be more specific ? |
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| 02:39.20 | liable | no? |
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| 02:40.35 | paul424 | abrotman: sorry, the gnome at its panel has the main menu bar at which you can lauch applications like in windows quick lauch panel. I have installed gnome on slackware and the menu is very poor. I just want to have sensible arrangment of programs. So I look for that dammed file .... |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | paul424: in debian, we have a command called update-menus that builds that file .. if you know what it is called, you can have mine |
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| 02:42.03 | monkeyman | hi everyone, got a quick question regarding unstable version of debian and that is: is it safe to do personal things such as online banking in this version of debian? |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | paul424: find ~/.gnome/ -name *menu* .. nothing |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | monkeyman: should be fine .. why? |
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| 02:43.25 | paul424 | abortman yeah I don't even know where it is ... |
| 02:43.28 | monkeyman | abrotman: because it's unstable and i'm paranoid, lol |
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| 02:44.54 | abrotman | paul424: .config/menus/ .. but i have more than one file |
| 02:44.58 | monkeyman | abrotman: i know that open-source software are usually secure because you can see the code yourself but i'm not too sure about unstable version |
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| 02:45.31 | jimmybgood | monkeyman: unstable does not have security update support, but has more recent packages that typically include recent security fixes |
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| 02:45.35 | abrotman | paul424: moment |
| 02:45.44 | abrotman | monkeyman: you should be fine |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | paul424: http://paste.debian.net/49690/ .. that one ? |
| 02:48.15 | monkeyman | jimmybgood, abrotman: thanks for the info |
| 02:49.04 | probonono | monkeyman, in any case (keeping in mind that "safety" is never absolute but rather relative) you're likely to be far better off on any recent OS that isn't MS Windows. |
| 02:49.21 | jimmybgood | monkeyman: as an outlet for your paranoia install debsecan and you can monitor packages that have security fixes available |
| 02:50.17 | probonono | If you genuinely want to respond to your paranoia, you might like to consider using a livecd to do your on-line transactions. |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | assuming the liveCD has security fixes applied ... |
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| 02:51.28 | monkeyman | jimmybgood: will do that, thanks for the tip |
| 02:52.08 | monkeyman | probonono: yeah, i don"t like MS Windows, too many problems |
| 02:52.46 | markybob | uh-huh |
| 02:53.01 | monkeyman | probonono: i use virtualbox version of windows if i need to use windows |
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| 02:53.32 | roe_ | wow, have BIOS vendors really forsaken everyone but windows users? It seems the current method of upgrading the bios is to run an exe. |
| 02:53.44 | roe_ | I don't see another option |
| 02:53.56 | dondelelcaro | roe_: it's been that way for a while. |
| 02:54.06 | markybob | roe_, yes. thankfully, you can run windows via a live cd |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | roe_: depends on the vendor .. but usually, yes |
| 02:54.13 | dondelelcaro | sometimes it'll at least run in dos |
| 02:54.20 | roe_ | how have linux users dealt with it? |
| 02:54.31 | markybob | roe_, live cds |
| 02:54.33 | paul424 | abrotman: yeah thanks, the problem is I have also a few application-menu files ranging from 10undo to 38undo. Thats a werid system, isn't it ? |
| 02:54.34 | roe_ | markybob, a windows live CD? |
| 02:54.55 | markybob | roe_, yes...which is what i said |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | paul424: you could uh .. just use debian :) |
| 02:54.55 | monkeyman | probonono: i don't like using live cd unless i have to, it's really slow |
| 02:55.01 | dondelelcaro | roe_: buy from vendors who don't do that or use freedos, or use a linux utility. |
| 02:55.24 | paul424 | hmm maybe I should overwire the first one, yours seems also not to be complete ... hmm looks like this niformation is distributed all over all files .... |
| 02:55.50 | probonono | monkeyman, well, you'll need to find your own balance between your levels of paranoia and patience. :) |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | paul424: the Debian menu system has numerous files .. it only creates entries for software ytou have installed |
| 02:56.01 | markybob | roe_, or you could learn to google. http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/11/how-to-create-windows-xp-live-cd.html |
| 02:56.51 | roe_ | well since I don't have windows of any sort that is kinda moot |
| 02:57.02 | monkeyman | probonono: can't complain on that, lol |
| 02:57.03 | roe_ | I will investigate a freedox live cd |
| 02:57.06 | roe_ | freedos |
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| 03:03.54 | paul424 | the thing is if I go to gnome channel everyone ignores me ... I don't know they 're sociopatics from the #gnome |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | paul424: on freenode ? |
| 03:04.56 | paul424 | yes |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | paul424: i think you want to use #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:12.02 | abrotman | paul424: was that better ? |
| 03:12.38 | paul424 | eep they don't know too :P |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | but they talk atleast ? |
| 03:13.51 | paul424 | they don't :P |
| 03:14.15 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 03:16.07 | roe_ | looks like the freedos live cd might do the trick |
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| 03:16.17 | roe_ | already tried wine to no avail |
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| 03:16.48 | m4rkus | hello |
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| 03:17.38 | m4rkus | today starts the distribution of windows 7, remember to distribute GNU/linux off the shops or in the shops of pc |
| 03:17.52 | abrotman | m4rkus: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 03:18.33 | markybob | abrotman, i suppose not :P |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 03:19.43 | abrotman | wait .. tweeter and the monkeyman .. i can't believe i didn't see that earlier .. |
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| 03:46.42 | dancor | installing from usb stick doesn't work on thinkpad T61p ("boot error"). but internet says debian-live usb image will boot. will i then be able to install regular debian from debian-live? |
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| 03:47.26 | liable | dancor: i know my t60 only boots from usb when its in the slot on the right side |
| 03:48.47 | dancor | liable: tried them all |
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| 03:55.15 | setuid | What package contains g77? doesn't seem to exist on 64-bit lenny :( |
| 03:55.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | !g77 |
| 03:55.54 | dpkg | i heard g77 is the GNU Fortran 77 compiler. The g77 package is longer built as of gcc-defaults 1.67. |
| 03:55.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | setuid: ^^ |
| 03:56.12 | setuid | hrm, interesting. It's shipped on i386 Lenny though |
| 03:56.21 | setuid | Just trying to fix this mess from earlier today |
| 03:56.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 03:56.40 | setuid | egrep '(^Package|^Architecture)' /var/lib/dpkg/status | perl -pi -e 's,^Package,\n\nPackage,g' | grep -B1 i386 | grep Package | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u | wc -l |
| 03:56.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: info g77 |
| 03:57.38 | \amethyst | setuid: it was available in etch but not in lenny |
| 03:57.39 | setuid | !modxslt-tools |
| 03:57.50 | \amethyst | setuid: perhaps your i386 Lenny machine was upgraded from Etch? |
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| 03:58.13 | setuid | \amethyst, It's a clean install from a formatted disk. I did it myself (remotely, over kvm) |
| 03:59.13 | \amethyst | setuid: then according to packages.debian.org, g77 shouldn't be available |
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| 04:00.22 | setuid | Seems lots of tools I need, are missing from the 64-bit lenny |
| 04:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dancor, look at this bootloader, it lets you boot from usb via the harddisk http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 04:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | (supposing bios->usb-stick is the problem) |
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| 04:09.19 | setuid | !libldap-2.4-2 |
| 04:09.28 | setuid | someone break dpkg? |
| 04:10.29 | simonrvn | no. you did that wrong. |
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| 04:11.13 | setuid | I did? |
| 04:11.19 | setuid | !libldap |
| 04:11.23 | setuid | !grub |
| 04:11.23 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors> and <grub2>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 04:11.33 | setuid | Ok, so it works, just not for all packages |
| 04:11.43 | setuid | dpkg, info lib64gcc1 |
| 04:11.46 | dpkg | lib64gcc1: (GCC support library (64bit)), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:4.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 04:16.16 | chuck | In apt-cache show, I see two different versions of a package. How do I upgrade to the latest version? |
| 04:16.28 | chuck | aptitude safe-upgrade doesn't upgrade the package |
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| 04:16.45 | km | any ideas how i can determine what thread type is apache support or use? |
| 04:17.27 | km | i want know if it supports/uses pthread (posix thread) |
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| 04:25.05 | roe_ | any ideas why my bios shows the cpu idling at ~90C while lmsensors has it frozen at 40c? |
| 04:26.17 | \amethyst | roe_: power-saving when Linux is running? |
| 04:26.29 | roe_ | no |
| 04:26.40 | roe_ | or at least I doubt it |
| 04:26.42 | roe_ | it is hot. |
| 04:26.42 | \amethyst | or lmsensors is reading the wrong sensor, or the multiplier is wrong |
| 04:26.58 | roe_ | that is more likely, can I narrow down the problem at all? |
| 04:27.50 | \amethyst | are any other temperatures displayed when you run 'sensors'? |
| 04:28.35 | roe_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1636616 |
| 04:28.48 | roe_ | doesn't look like it |
| 04:29.00 | roe_ | though the lmsensors gnome applet show me 3 temps (CPU, aux, HDD) |
| 04:29.28 | roe_ | 'temp1' is actually the PSU temp I believe |
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| 04:36.08 | setuid | Hrm, why can't bind start up on Lenny? Claims it can't create /var/run/named.pid, but it should have rights to write in that dir. |
| 04:36.09 | roe_ | hrm, something is borked about the sensors, even when running CPU burn, there is no change |
| 04:37.44 | liable | setuid: disk full? |
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| 04:38.01 | setuid | Nope |
| 04:38.04 | setuid | Oct 22 00:35:10 neptune named[15218]: couldn't open pid file '/var/run/named.pid': Permission denied |
| 04:38.22 | roe_ | setuid, ls -al /var/run/ |
| 04:38.28 | roe_ | in a pastebin |
| 04:38.41 | chuck | anyone know? this is super confusing, apt keeps wanting to install the lower version |
| 04:39.10 | stew | chuck: show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:39.23 | setuid | roe_, http://pastebin.com/d453427cc |
| 04:40.10 | Tramp | for me, though squeeze, it's /var/run/named/named.pid, as defined by the PIDFILE parameter in /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 04:40.20 | Tramp | setuid: ^^ |
| 04:40.44 | setuid | PIDFILE=/var/run/bind/run/named.pid |
| 04:40.49 | setuid | ewww... tha'ts the default ^^ |
| 04:40.58 | setuid | let me check how my backup defined it on the working server |
| 04:40.59 | stew | iirc that stuff is changing |
| 04:41.01 | chuck | stew: http://gist.github.com/215730 |
| 04:41.11 | setuid | PIDFILE=/var/run/bind/run/named.pid |
| 04:41.17 | stew | i dont' think packags are supposed to be creating subdirectories in /var/run any longer |
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| 04:41.54 | Tramp | huh? really? Sounds weird. |
| 04:42.22 | stew | chuck: seems like you've done something in /etc/apt/preferences to effect this |
| 04:42.32 | setuid | Tramp, any other ideas? |
| 04:42.48 | setuid | # grep named.pid /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 04:42.49 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:43.08 | setuid | That named.conf came from a working 32-bit Lenny install that I had in production for a few years |
| 04:43.47 | stew | yes, its not debian policy 9.3.2: /var/run and /var/lock may be mounted as temporary filesystems[57], so the init.d scripts must handle this correctly. This will typically amount to creating any required subdirectories dynamically when the init.d script is run, rather than including them in the package and relying on dpkg to create them. |
| 04:43.47 | chuck | oh |
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| 04:44.06 | chuck | stew: i think my distro set it so that their packages are a higher priority than packages from other sources |
| 04:44.17 | chuck | can i override that and tell aptitude to install the later version? |
| 04:44.19 | stew | chuck: your distro? |
| 04:44.27 | setuid | /var/run should be root:root, right? |
| 04:44.28 | chuck | the distro that i'm using |
| 04:44.34 | chuck | jolicloud |
| 04:44.35 | stew | chuck: you are in the wrong channel then |
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| 04:44.43 | stew | setuid: yes |
| 04:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | setuid, these are carefully hand-crafted factoids, not just some package info! Also, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 04:44.51 | chuck | is there a channel for aptitude? |
| 04:45.26 | lethias | I'm trying to setup my Teamspeak client in lenny but I dont' have the right device for my sound, how do i find the right sound device to point it to? |
| 04:45.39 | Tramp | stew: ah. I see. Thanks - I misunderstood the initial statement. |
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| 04:46.29 | Tramp | setuid: remove that pidfile parameter from named conf and retry - named does not run as root |
| 04:47.18 | setuid | Tramp, weird, previous version in 32-bit Lenny did |
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| 04:50.01 | Tramp | setuid: I can only talk for Squeeze. It has a "-u bind" option set in /etc/default/bind/9 |
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| 05:05.14 | setuid | ugh |
| 05:05.15 | setuid | Oct 22 01:04:57 neptune kernel: [41985.994916] slapd[15742]: segfault at 7f9b31d9eefc ip 7f9a314e3f30 sp 7fff39da1d70 error 4 in libdb-4.2.so[7f9a31441000+ea000] |
| 05:05.22 | setuid | Does nothing at all work on 64-bit Lenny? |
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| 05:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anything simpler to use than rdiff to compare two trees on local/remote host? |
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| 05:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried dpkg -L sasl-bin? |
| 05:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and less /usr/share/doc/sasl2-bin/README.Debian.gz |
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| 05:22.04 | rafuch0 | yeap |
| 05:22.13 | rafuch0 | no files in /etc |
| 05:22.19 | rafuch0 | no .conf files i mean |
| 05:22.43 | rafuch0 | /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf |
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| 05:23.01 | rafuch0 | that one is the one i am loking for |
| 05:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also man sasl-sample-server |
| 05:25.02 | dmi3on | any one was able to run compiz on debina guest workstation 6.5 ? |
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| 05:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to g77 |
| 05:43.41 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: its part of gcc now |
| 05:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you call gcc something instead of g77 something? |
| 05:44.07 | stew | (iirc) |
| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that would explain why g77-doc is supposed to replace g77 as a package |
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| 05:45.10 | stew | judd: versions g77-doc |
| 05:45.10 | judd | stew: g77-doc -- |
| 05:45.56 | stew | well gcc will compile fortran files, if that is what you are after |
| 05:47.09 | stew | but, of course, unfortunately the gcc docs aren't in debian |
| 05:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, kind of - I ran a chemistry fortran program and it exits with an error.... and I just diffed with the source on a different machine and the differences are tiny... |
| 05:47.17 | dmi3on | i am missing Visual Effects Tab |
| 05:47.23 | dmi3on | what could be reason ? |
| 05:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, so now I think the change that does it is when I switched to gfortran because g77 is gone |
| 05:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so thanks :) |
| 05:49.00 | dmi3on | any help |
| 05:49.01 | dmi3on | ? |
| 05:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, ouch, compiles with gcc, but doesn't link |
| 05:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, we have no clue what a 'Visual Effects Tab' is, what it's supposed to do, or why you would miss it |
| 05:49.48 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if you put a c in the first column it is a comment. you now know more about fortran than I do |
| 05:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, you knew that! |
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| 05:51.03 | stew | i had to do fortran for one class i took at university, it sucked |
| 05:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, but I know a *bit* more about fortran than that, indeed... I know it's a horrible bugger for buffer overflows, and it has GOTO, like BASIC |
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| 05:51.39 | dmi3on | CutMeOwnThroat, doesnt debian has tab in appearance preferences visual effects |
| 05:51.40 | stew | don't most languages have a goto like basic? :) |
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| 05:51.44 | dmi3on | like ubuntu has |
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| 05:52.15 | EmleyMoor | stew: Yes, but it doesn't do much for structure |
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| 05:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, "goto hell" |
| 05:54.04 | stew | longjmp back |
| 05:54.13 | dmi3on | ? |
| 05:54.29 | sepult | far far |
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| 05:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, whatever buttons, tabs or else are there totally depends on what windows manager/desktop environment and/or helper programs you use |
| 05:55.19 | dmi3on | debina 503 |
| 05:55.52 | dmi3on | debian 503 * |
| 05:55.52 | stew | dmi3on: which window manager are you using. whatever a "visual effects tab" is, i'm guessing it has somthing to do with your window manager |
| 05:56.48 | dmi3on | stew, i cnat figure our why i can run desktop effects |
| 05:57.02 | stew | dmi3on: what is "desktop effects" ? |
| 05:57.31 | dmi3on | basic onese wobble etc... |
| 05:57.44 | dmi3on | i installed compiz |
| 05:58.35 | stew | dmi3on: if this is a problem with compiz, perhaps ask #compiz? |
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| 05:59.00 | dmi3on | does debian has basic effects like ubuntu has ? |
| 05:59.15 | dmi3on | if yes were do i turn it one off ? |
| 05:59.19 | the-dude | yeah it does have compiz |
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| 05:59.35 | the-dude | apt-get install compiz :p |
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| 06:00.01 | dmi3on | the-dude i did it already |
| 06:00.04 | dmi3on | doesnt work |
| 06:00.18 | the-dude | yes it does |
| 06:01.00 | dmi3on | i run apt-get install compiz* |
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| 06:01.36 | dmi3on | there was lots of packges |
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| 06:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | the-dude, run ccsm |
| 06:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 06:02.18 | the-dude | CutMeOwnThroat: no thanks :) |
| 06:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmi3on, not the-dude |
| 06:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse me |
| 06:02.34 | dpkg | No, those was your snake today, cutmeownthroat? Trousers of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra cream. |
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| 06:03.06 | dmi3on | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 06:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | run ccsm |
| 06:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse dmi3on |
| 06:03.40 | dpkg | No, how is our ferret yesterday, dmi3on? Trousers of the People's Republic of Micronesia with extra crabpaste. |
| 06:04.00 | ferret_ | o.o |
| 06:04.01 | the-dude | :) |
| 06:04.21 | Codenomics | Hello |
| 06:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 06:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | who broke the confuse factoid |
| 06:05.04 | beardy | Broke? |
| 06:05.34 | beardy | Always been like that. |
| 06:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, replaced it with something far inferior |
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| 06:05.49 | beardy | Nope.. |
| 06:06.18 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: What did you expect then? Like I said, afaik that's how it's always been. |
| 06:06.45 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: time to edit the cmd? |
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| 06:07.07 | dmi3on | i am asking on #compiz thanks |
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| 06:07.45 | superjet_busy | python `import gtk` gives: ImportError: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_ptr_array_new_with_free_func, it's squeeze, what's wrong? |
| 06:09.01 | Codenomics | got a quick question, i am trying to hunt down another window manager in the add/remove apps, cant find anything... |
| 06:09.37 | Codenomics | where am i sposed to find this? |
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| 06:11.29 | Codenomics | i ask a question and it gets quiet |
| 06:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I confused "confuse" with "irritate" :) |
| 06:11.41 | mhymn | rephrase your question |
| 06:12.10 | Codenomics | um... |
| 06:12.34 | Codenomics | in the add/removes applications app, where can I find things like KDE, FuxBox, etc. |
| 06:12.44 | sway | superjet_busy: why are you doing that? |
| 06:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, uh, just about a billion with.. e.g. apt-cache search window manager |
| 06:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess apt-cache search "window manager" is a bit better |
| 06:13.46 | superjet_busy | sway: app sucks with python-gtk2, so I try with import under python then it's the same error |
| 06:14.01 | Codenomics | CutMeOwnThroat, Im not talking in CLI |
| 06:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and I thought you just wanted a solution to the problem |
| 06:15.11 | Codenomics | i guess i can go that route also |
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| 06:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | openbox is kind of nice |
| 06:15.53 | Codenomics | i was being the lazy barstard and doing it in the app that was designed to make this easier |
| 06:15.57 | sway | superjet_busy: interesting, but i don't think there's a software problem there |
| 06:15.59 | Codenomics | i dont really like openbox |
| 06:16.09 | sway | note the think |
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| 06:17.13 | superjet_busy | sway: find one bug: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/04b05202850d7e80/0e84827549b62bd2?lnk=raot , however it different here as I've reinstall libglib2 and python-gtk2 many times already |
| 06:17.14 | _Trinity_ | openbox is awesome dude! |
| 06:17.22 | mhymn | Codenomics: /msg dpkg xwinman |
| 06:17.25 | Cal | openbox is meh |
| 06:17.31 | Codenomics | _Trinity_, not my thing |
| 06:17.32 | _Trinity_ | especiually intergrated into lxde |
| 06:17.59 | Codenomics | mhymn, havent gotten a reply to my last msg to dpkg |
| 06:18.12 | mhymn | dpkg: ping |
| 06:18.12 | dpkg | Yes, mhymn, you are online. |
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| 06:18.31 | mhymn | !xwinman |
| 06:18.31 | dpkg | well, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 06:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, Views->new debtags browser->x11>window-manager |
| 06:18.58 | _Trinity_ | I got my measily 400mhz iMAc working like a champ due to LXDE and openbox --and I don't even have accel so things are slow to boot |
| 06:19.01 | Codenomics | ? |
| 06:19.42 | superjet_busy | sway: and grep -r g_ptr_array_new_with_free_func /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-0.symbols show it does have--> g_ptr_array_new_with_free_func@Base 2.22.0 |
| 06:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ! |
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| 06:20.53 | _Trinity_ | now if there was a wm or de that used pie menus |
| 06:21.09 | _Trinity_ | that'd be just about perfect |
| 06:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
| 06:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hard to hit |
| 06:21.21 | sway | superjet_busy: right on. i've never seen someone import into the global namespace as a command option before, but i don't know which python you're using |
| 06:21.30 | Codenomics | CutMeOwnThroat, Views? in what app? |
| 06:21.47 | sway | and i'm not sure it would work even if there were that option available |
| 06:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but compiz would be a hell lot more useful with this default cube if you also had a desktop on the top and bottom surface |
| 06:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, aptitude? |
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| 06:22.16 | superjet_busy | sway: 2.5.4-2 |
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| 06:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, what "add/remove apps" were YOU talking about? |
| 06:22.43 | Codenomics | CutMeOwnThroat, just turned on the app that said "Add/remove applications" |
| 06:22.50 | Codenomics | that is the name of it |
| 06:23.03 | _Trinity_ | you think subcontextual menus are easy to hit? |
| 06:23.16 | nsadmin | Codenomics: how did yo turn it on? |
| 06:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, well... sub-pies will be easier? |
| 06:23.32 | sway | superjet_busy: can you import anything else that way? python `import math` |
| 06:23.35 | _Trinity_ | lol |
| 06:23.36 | Codenomics | System > Add/Remove Appl |
| 06:23.39 | Codenomics | ications |
| 06:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | great |
| 06:23.45 | Codenomics | i hate this keyboard |
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| 06:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why guis are SO much easier to deal with than CLI |
| 06:23.58 | superjet_busy | sway: yes, |
| 06:24.02 | Codenomics | LOL |
| 06:24.04 | _Trinity_ | you can fix it so another complete pie pops up |
| 06:24.09 | sway | huh. |
| 06:24.11 | _Trinity_ | no sub-pies |
| 06:24.19 | superjet_busy | sway: just gtk sucks :) |
| 06:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, pies would have the side-effect that you get hungry more quickly |
| 06:24.37 | _Trinity_ | LOL! |
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| 06:24.47 | nsadmin | Codenomics: Hmm, I do have a system menu but that app isn't there... are you running gnome, kde or something else? |
| 06:24.58 | Codenomics | gnome |
| 06:25.08 | _Trinity_ | they could be worse ---> they could be called cookie menus |
| 06:25.10 | nsadmin | oh ok, that explains why I don't see it |
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| 06:25.22 | Codenomics | didnt come with any thing except for gnome or tabbed win manager |
| 06:25.24 | _Trinity_ | water waffer menus? |
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| 06:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | tiramisu menus... mmmm |
| 06:27.07 | sway | superjet_busy: if that works, then python `import __self__` should do something awful |
| 06:27.08 | Codenomics | ok so what is the best app to use for installs? I dont know how to use CLI for apt installs |
| 06:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be a bit messy, though |
| 06:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, type "aptitude" |
| 06:27.32 | Codenomics | in konsole |
| 06:27.35 | Codenomics | ? |
| 06:27.38 | Codenomics | got it |
| 06:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, and "aptitude install <somepackage>" isn't really THAT complicated either |
| 06:28.21 | Codenomics | CutMeOwnThroat, I have just never done it, dont know any of the commands |
| 06:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 06:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !search |
| 06:28.33 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 06:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | these are some |
| 06:29.05 | _Trinity_ | while we were talking about WMs and DEs, what is it about minmalist environments that make them look so windows 95? I man, fluxbox, which I like, has apps that run in its environment look like a designer's nightmare. ie., Iceweasel. Is this a lack of theming control? |
| 06:29.28 | Codenomics | I assumed that the addremove app that comes with the distro would include access to all of the packages that are offered in the repos |
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| 06:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude is what comes with the distro |
| 06:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know about that gnome thing |
| 06:29.56 | factor_ | does anyone have a debian 64 bit package for pitfdll? |
| 06:29.59 | mhymn | Codenomics: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 06:30.01 | Codenomics | lol i wasnt asking for the commands, i can look those up, i was just trying to figure out if there was a reason i couldnt find these certain things |
| 06:30.26 | Codenomics | 5 |
| 06:30.59 | Codenomics | i have the add remove app and synaptic |
| 06:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that could be gnome-apt |
| 06:31.18 | Codenomics | i found aptitude in konsole |
| 06:31.21 | nsadmin | _Trinity_: that's probably the default configuration, and those plain wm envs were popular around the time |
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| 06:31.22 | factor_ | can I run a 32 bit package of debian under 64 bit with the lib32 ext. |
| 06:31.34 | nsadmin | I think I was using fvwm3 |
| 06:31.36 | nsadmin | 2 |
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| 06:32.08 | Codenomics | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.18 | _Trinity_ | nsadmin: fvwm3 ?? |
| 06:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, because W95 looks so plain? :) |
| 06:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | fvwm23456 |
| 06:32.32 | nsadmin | mistype. fvwm2 |
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| 06:33.23 | _Trinity_ | nsadmin: that's what I like about lxde. It takes care of avoiding that windows look right out of the box |
| 06:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, just admit you're really from the future :) |
| 06:33.41 | nsadmin | forward... |
| 06:33.47 | nsadmin | into the past... |
| 06:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or back into the future |
| 06:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | got your banana peels ready to fuel your car? |
| 06:34.53 | Codenomics | i can mess around with aptitude and figure that out, thanks alot for the hel |
| 06:34.55 | Codenomics | p |
| 06:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, but... that's a DE, not a WM |
| 06:35.03 | Codenomics | i really do hate this keyboard |
| 06:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Codenomics, as I said View->new tag browser |
| 06:35.22 | _Trinity_ | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I'm bending or mixing terms |
| 06:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (in aptitude) |
| 06:35.26 | Codenomics | yeah |
| 06:35.35 | Codenomics | i just have to get used to it, i am used to synaptic |
| 06:35.49 | Codenomics | been using synaptic for two years, have to try something else lol |
| 06:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, installing lxde installs 11 new packages into my system (or would) ... that'd be a helluva lot of packages for a simple WM |
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| 06:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know why you talk about "minimalist WMs" and then mention lxde |
| 06:37.32 | _Trinity_ | CutMeOwnThroat: but even then, if yuo look at lxde, it's just a "separate" bunch of apps (modular) thrown together |
| 06:37.39 | _Trinity_ | of course they complement each other |
| 06:37.56 | _Trinity_ | but you can mix and match however you want |
| 06:38.23 | Codenomics | quite the package selection |
| 06:38.34 | Codenomics | ok talk to yall later thanks for the help |
| 06:38.36 | _Trinity_ | and there's no reason any of the simple WMs couldn't build their own environment with the same apps |
| 06:39.33 | _Trinity_ | and many people with rox-filer and systrays and docks --oops, I hope Apple wasn't listening. |
| 06:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, seems lxde uses openbox as a WM |
| 06:40.27 | _Trinity_ | yup |
| 06:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome uses metacity and kde...? |
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| 06:42.31 | _Trinity_ | read the lxde home page. The original author writes about the purposful modularity of lxde and how it isn't so with standard DEs |
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| 06:51.46 | EvilGenius | Hello. |
| 06:51.53 | EvilGenius | Need some help with ESMTP ,if this is the right place? |
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| 06:56.50 | mhymn | CutMeOwnThroat: kwin? |
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| 06:58.06 | factor_ | how can I apt-get the 32bit version of something and have it install it in /lib32 dir? |
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| 07:01.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must have something like ia32-apt-get |
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| 07:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now we're supposed to guess what you did wrong? |
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| 07:05.12 | EvaLuaTe | hello |
| 07:05.34 | EvaLuaTe | i'm trying to install 'pdflib' on a debian system with this command: 'pecl install --alldeps pdflib', and I always get asked this: path to pdflib installation? :, and no matter what i type as path, i always get the error: ERROR: `/tmp/pear/temp/pdflib/configure --with-pdflib=<the_path_i_typed> `failed |
| 07:06.16 | nsadmin | pecl? |
| 07:06.43 | EvaLuaTe | that's what pear told me to do :P |
| 07:07.10 | nsadmin | !find bin/pecl |
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| 07:07.41 | EvaLuaTe | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d755a02fe |
| 07:07.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pecl' (1): (/usr/bin/pecl) in php/php-pear. |
| 07:08.19 | EvaLuaTe | so should i use '/usr/bin/pecl' ? |
| 07:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what's php/php-pear supposed to have to do with installing pdflib? |
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| 07:09.22 | EvaLuaTe | CutMeOwnThroat: i have no clue, i thought it was a pear package |
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| 07:09.54 | nsadmin | EvaLuaTe: just trying to see what package it came from |
| 07:09.55 | EvaLuaTe | it seems i was wrong. btw, /usr/bin/pecl doesn't work either: ERROR: `/tmp/pear/temp/pdflib/configure --with-pdflib=/usr/bin/pecl' failed |
| 07:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd |
| 07:10.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 07:10.24 | EvaLuaTe | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm trying to install the pdflib package |
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| 07:10.30 | nsadmin | does /tmp/pear/temp/pdflib/configure exist? |
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| 07:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is this the start of a bot DNS attack? |
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| 07:12.10 | EvaLuaTe | nsadmin: the whole error looks like this actually: http://pastebin.com/d2d1fdb9c , and no, that folder (/tmp/pear/temp/pdflib/) doesn't actually exist |
| 07:13.04 | nsadmin | EvaLuaTe: so that would be the initial problem, but isnt' this pdflib available as a debian package? |
| 07:13.18 | nsadmin | it might be easier and more maintainable if it is |
| 07:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... how likely is it, that two different people from different providers ask exactly the same, character-by-character, including the leading space? |
| 07:13.26 | nsadmin | supportable too |
| 07:14.25 | EvaLuaTe | nsadmin: apt-cache search returns this: php-fpdf - PHP class to generate PDF files, i don't know if it's the same... |
| 07:14.42 | nsadmin | might want to find out :) |
| 07:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | EvaLuaTe, ok, so you're trying to compile ... something - pear? |
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| 07:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd EvaLuaTe |
| 07:15.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, EvaLuaTe? |
| 07:15.49 | nsadmin | EvaLuaTe: also maybe the dir and configure script disappeared near the end of the pecl invocation |
| 07:16.05 | EvaLuaTe | CutMeOwnThroat: this is the second time you ask this and I have already answered it. Please stop it. |
| 07:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | where have you ansered that |
| 07:16.28 | EvaLuaTe | [10:10:35] <EvaLuaTe> CutMeOwnThroat: i'm trying to install the pdflib package |
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| 07:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
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| 07:17.15 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: almos the same username too. elops = n=tramseo@94.187.124.218 tramsei_ = n=tramseo@77.42.229.215 |
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| 07:17.40 | simonrvn | sorry, exactly the same username |
| 07:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | EvaLuaTe, no, you're not |
| 07:18.40 | EvaLuaTe | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, to be more precise, i have a client that wants to generate a pdf file from a php file and use that on his site, so he asked me to install this pdflib for him, as appearantly this does the job |
| 07:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I guess you mean this http://pecl.php.net/package/pdflib |
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| 07:20.57 | |EvaLuaTe| | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that's probably it |
| 07:21.37 | agx | morning, wich groupware project is working fine with debian and installable via apt-get ? |
| 07:22.33 | |EvaLuaTe| | CutMeOwnThroat: so, any idea what path i should feed the installer? |
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| 07:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you asked in the wrong channel... which was why I didn't get the question |
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| 07:23.38 | nsadmin | |EvaLuaTe|: I'd suggest that if you're going to install this thing, you tell the configure script to put the lib somewhere like /usr/local (i.e., not /usr) to avoid interfering with debian packaging |
| 07:23.43 | |EvaLuaTe| | CutMeOwnThroat: #php appearantly have a fight over something, anyway they seem to busy to respond to other questions, and I can't seem to be able to connect to efnet, where the main pear channel seems to reside, that's why i asked here |
| 07:23.56 | tramsei_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.01 | tramsei_ | any help here? |
| 07:24.03 | mhymn | agx: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno - looks like this is just a faulty tgz - libpdf.h should be part of your libpdf-x.y.z.tgz itself |
| 07:24.21 | nsadmin | tramsei_: you're here... you're on the internet! |
| 07:24.40 | tramsei_ | im on another system |
| 07:24.56 | agx | mhymn: sorry for my bad english! i meant wich "works fine", i.e. wich is the best |
| 07:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, and both IPs don't resolve |
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| 07:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !quick network check |
| 07:25.30 | dpkg | quick network check is, like, try running (and pastebinning): ifconfig -a; route -n; more /etc/resolv.conf/etc/host | cat; host http://www.google.com; mtr -ntrc4 64.233.161.147 |
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| 07:26.08 | mhymn | agx: no idea, haven't used any of them myself |
| 07:26.46 | nsadmin | tramsei_: ok,,, is the machine in question running the new debian install now? |
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| 07:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | |EvaLuaTe|, "aptitude install php-fpdf" is the only debian-answer I can give :) |
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| 07:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | |EvaLuaTe|, which might not be the worst idea |
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| 07:31.10 | nsadmin | tramsei_: out of curiousity, do you have other irc clients here with your same username? |
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| 07:33.11 | Supaplex | what's a program that'll set the wake-on-alarm setting of my bios? |
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| 07:33.54 | |EvaLuaTe| | CutMeOwnThroat: I installed that. I'll just point my client to the documentation of fpdf and hope that help. Thanks for the support :) |
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| 07:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | |EvaLuaTe|, that was easy enough, though :) |
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| 07:36.11 | tramsei_ | nsadmin i was under elops |
| 07:36.13 | tramsei_ | but got d/c |
| 07:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, the firmware in your bios? |
| 07:37.11 | nsadmin | tramsei_: ok, so... is the new debian running now? |
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| 07:38.18 | phanter | hi there. I have a minimal debian install. Now, it seems that my box goes into powersaving mode after some time. How can I fully disable powersaving? |
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| 07:38.53 | hyperzid | Anyone have used pure-ftpd? |
| 07:38.57 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: found nvram-wakeup. |
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| 07:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
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| 07:39.46 | hyperzid | I'm wondring about why I can chmod 777.. but if I try to chmod 444. the perms always gets 644.. in pure-ftpd |
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| 07:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, a) I didn't think that's possible, there's so many different types of bioses .... and b) beware: from the package description: [...] via /dev/nvram on recent 2.4.x kernels [...] |
| 07:40.33 | phanter | I found these processes (http://pastebin.com/d28b4cd65) and I think these are connected to powersave mode. Are they connected? Can I disable them without problems? Where and how can I disable them? |
| 07:40.37 | WormFood | I build a new kernel and install it the debian way, and the initfs is fucked up....what was the command again to make that work? (I remember it was broken last time I tried it, but can't fuckin' remember what the hell I did to "fix" it) |
| 07:40.41 | mhymn | phanter: /msg dpkg powersave |
| 07:41.49 | phanter | mhymn: "setterm -powersave waste" what can I do with that? |
| 07:42.46 | WormFood | export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" ;make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image <-- gives me a kernel panic trying to mount root filesystem. I'm using the config file from my currently running system |
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| 07:43.49 | phanter | I mean, I have openbox running, so setting this in the terminal might not be sufficient... or is it? |
| 07:44.06 | mhymn | !tias |
| 07:44.06 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 07:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, update-initramfs? |
| 07:45.38 | WormFood | maybe...what option does it demand from me? |
| 07:46.02 | flexy | I have a mips box with debian stable. I compiled lirc and iguanaIR. They compiled fine, but both segfault... Could this be for missing some package? |
| 07:46.04 | phanter | and when reading hte man page it said that this only affects the monitor. It does also not mention the argument "waste". |
| 07:46.29 | phanter | Furthermore, if I just type in the command as provided it tells me: setterm: Argument error, usage |
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| 07:47.22 | WormFood | thanks CutMeOwnThroat....if it works....if it don't work, then screw you! :P hahaha....will reboot and try it out....brb |
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| 07:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | phanter, to be fair, the pastebin you gave us was empty |
| 07:49.00 | phanter | sorry, here it is again: http://pastebin.com/d66a13bed |
| 07:49.14 | phanter | It contains the preocesses I believe to be related with powersave |
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| 07:50.21 | phanter | The full output is here: http://pastebin.com/d60eed05c |
| 07:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | the [] things aren't normal processes, but things that run in kernel space, iirc |
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| 07:50.46 | phanter | oke, did not know that (learned something today :)) |
| 07:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I wouldn't touch this |
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| 07:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd |
| 07:51.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 07:51.37 | flexy | touch my self, until happy ending arrives :D |
| 07:51.47 | phanter | My pc went into powersave mode, but I want to make sure that this is not possible anymore. It runs a minimal debian lenny with openbox (started via xdm) |
| 07:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | phanter, you mean suspend? You should look what put it there... normally it's the DE or the screensaver |
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| 07:53.31 | phanter | oke, so then this should be in openbox (as there are no screensavers installed), I will check that out |
| 07:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !suspend |
| 07:53.52 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny). There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting> and <swapwake>. |
| 07:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could uninstall the hibernate package :) |
| 07:54.18 | phanter | oke, Ilet me see |
| 07:54.49 | phanter | Package hibernate is not installed, so not removed |
| 07:55.39 | nsadmin | it works even better than pretty well? I guess that's ok... |
| 07:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | superfantastiexcelareburic |
| 07:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or somethign |
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| 07:57.16 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, nope, didn't work...I get the same thing |
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| 07:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initrd |
| 07:58.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 07:58.30 | WormFood | yes, I'm well aware of all that stuff...still does not work |
| 07:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 07:59.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initramfsdebug |
| 07:59.09 | dpkg | hmm... initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 07:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think those are both not what I was thinking of |
| 07:59.52 | WormFood | I'm using the same config that I already have working, and using right now....I just need it working again, as a base before I start making more kernel changes. |
| 07:59.54 | phanter | I have removed uswsusp, maybe that did the trick. CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the hints! |
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| 08:08.54 | WormFood | here I go again...bet it still does not work |
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| 08:11.36 | py | I have a machine with a python 2.4 default but I want to use python 2.5, how can I do it? |
| 08:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | install python2.5? |
| 08:14.12 | py | I'm in a shared host, both python2.4 and python2.5 are installed, but by default python points to 2.4 |
| 08:14.35 | py | how can I make it so my profile chooses python2.5? |
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| 08:14.54 | py | with php it's done through cgi-bin but I think python works different |
| 08:15.09 | py | it would be a waste doing my own 2.5 install when it is already in the machine |
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| 08:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just call it with python2.5 instead of python |
| 08:15.32 | Malmis | could someone help me understand how to fix this? http://malmis.com/stuff/boot-debian.txt |
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| 08:15.55 | py | but it's for some prewritten programs that I want to do it |
| 08:16.14 | py | it's not me who is programming, I am not going to edit the programs I have downloaded |
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| 08:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | change the 1st line that calls python there? |
| 08:17.09 | py | but there must be a simple thing that I can do in my account so python2.5 is the default instead of 2.4 |
| 08:17.19 | streuner_ | Malmis: well, its pretty self-explained - Read-only file system |
| 08:17.41 | Malmis | starenka_ i need to boot as read-only from grub |
| 08:17.50 | Malmis | otherwise it cant check with fsck |
| 08:18.03 | nsadmin | py: ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 08:18.04 | Malmis | read-only boot is standard.. |
| 08:18.11 | nsadmin | let's see if it's a link' |
| 08:18.26 | py | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-10-11 15:50 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
| 08:18.38 | streuner_ | Malmis: do you have a live-CD handy? |
| 08:18.48 | Malmis | streuner_ i think it's something with the boot order in rcS.d rc2.d rc3.d rc5.d |
| 08:18.57 | Malmis | yes? |
| 08:18.59 | nsadmin | py: so you don't have python2.5 installed? |
| 08:19.00 | py | nsadmin: yes it's a link |
| 08:19.06 | streuner_ | Malmis: just fix the error and boot normal then |
| 08:19.11 | py | nsadmin: yes I have python2.5 installed |
| 08:19.17 | Malmis | streuner_ u don't understand |
| 08:19.20 | streuner_ | Malmis: via live-CD |
| 08:19.29 | nsadmin | see if /usr/bin/python2.5 is present |
| 08:19.32 | Malmis | i can boot it with rw in grub if i want to... |
| 08:19.33 | py | nsadmin: I am in a dreamhost shared host |
| 08:19.49 | Malmis | but then it fail in other way.. |
| 08:19.54 | py | nsadmin: yes /usr/bin/python2.5 is present |
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| 08:20.49 | nsadmin | ok, a coupla things you could do... first, changing that link is possibly detrimental to the system, so while you could do it, bewaare. |
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| 08:21.08 | nsadmin | yes... bewaare of extra aas |
| 08:21.17 | streuner_ | Malmis: in order to delete those pid files, the system have to be rw |
| 08:21.26 | Malmis | streuner_ as i said, theres something wrong with the boot order i think.. but i've tried to change the order of mountdevsubfs and mountkernfs and udev for sure about 100 times now |
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| 08:21.58 | Malmis | I KNOW, but the bootclean should be run when the system is remounted as rw |
| 08:22.05 | nsadmin | another thing you could do is put #!/usr/bin/python2.5 at the top of those scripts that need 2.5 |
| 08:22.06 | py | nsadmin: I can't change the link, I am not the admin, I am in a SHARED host |
| 08:22.26 | nsadmin | you probably shouldn;t anyway |
| 08:22.34 | nsadmin | nor should your admin |
| 08:22.40 | py | nsadmin: I don't want to edit all py files I download |
| 08:22.58 | py | nsadmin: there must be an easy way of overriding this 2.4 link |
| 08:23.18 | Malmis | streuner_ the thing is that after bootclean it is mounting the root system as rw, but i don't find where the problem is.. what thing to re-order |
| 08:23.26 | py | nsadmin: don't tell me I am going to have to have a local copy of 2.5 when there is one in the system |
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| 08:23.49 | nsadmin | or better yet, there could be a python script you could create which would replace the #! kube |
| 08:23.49 | hanibana | hi all |
| 08:23.52 | nsadmin | line |
| 08:24.08 | streuner_ | Malmis: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" sayà |
| 08:24.12 | hanibana | is there a way to sort installed packages by installation date? |
| 08:24.16 | streuner_ | Malmis: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 08:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | py, if there "must be" such a way, then you "must be" the one to know about it |
| 08:24.36 | hanibana | some dpkg or apt option ? |
| 08:24.48 | streuner_ | /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 08:24.49 | Malmis | ii libc6 2.10.1-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:24.56 | py | shared hosts are a madnes |
| 08:25.03 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 08:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not really hard to change the 1st line in a couple of 100 scripts, though |
| 08:25.05 | nsadmin | options to dpkg shown by "dpkg --help" |
| 08:25.07 | judd | streuner_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-25 sid: 2.10.1-1 |
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| 08:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it really depends on the way the scripts call python - if they use #!/usr/bin/env python, you could put a soft-link to python2.5 in ~/bin |
| 08:25.57 | py | so how can I point my account to point to python2.5 instead of python2.4, there must be a way |
| 08:26.02 | streuner_ | Malmis: what does BTS say about? |
| 08:26.04 | hanibana | streuner_: hard way! |
| 08:26.16 | Malmis | streuner_ BTS? |
| 08:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 08:26.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 08:26.44 | nsadmin | py: how do you run your scripts? |
| 08:26.48 | hanibana | rpm has such option: --last |
| 08:26.59 | hanibana | I did not find for dpkg/apt. |
| 08:27.00 | py | CutMeOwnThroat: aha, so python looks first for my local bin dir? I am not python programmer, I am just downloading an app and I just want to run int |
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| 08:27.17 | Malmis | streuner_ the only thing i find in bts are from 2005 or 2006 and those are closed and fixed.. so i don't know |
| 08:27.20 | py | nsadmin; it's not that I run something, it's just an app I am downloading |
| 08:27.31 | nsadmin | how do you start that app? |
| 08:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | py, read again what I wrote... |
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| 08:28.22 | kripz_ | trying ot moun a bluray drive but i get unknown type "udf" |
| 08:28.39 | nsadmin | py: it's possible you'll have to learn a little python |
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| 08:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's nothing to do with python... |
| 08:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | just have to know about about unix and unix scripts and how they're called |
| 08:29.27 | py | CutMeOwnThroat: the py files I am reading don't start with #!/usr/bin/env python line |
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| 08:30.02 | nsadmin | py: pick one, what's its first line' |
| 08:30.12 | nsadmin | just to be curious |
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| 08:30.37 | py | that: """fsmonitor_inotify.py FSMonitor subclass for inotify on Linux kernel >= 2.6.13""" |
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| 08:30.57 | canardhache | hi |
| 08:31.23 | nsadmin | hm, that's not a #! line at all |
| 08:31.35 | py | nsadmin: I noticed it :) |
| 08:32.12 | Malmis | streuner_ could there be something i should reconfigure? |
| 08:32.16 | py | I just need that my account uses python2.5, just this |
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| 08:32.33 | py | I am not going to learn 2 years of python just to use an application he he |
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| 08:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2 years? |
| 08:33.08 | canardhache | What is it a problem with live-helper? Because lh_build error on |
| 08:33.09 | canardhache | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486 Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 aufs-modules-2.6.26-2-486 linux-image-2.6-486 aufs-modules-2.6-486 squashfs-modules-2.6.26-2-486 squashfs-modules-2.6-486 |
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| 08:33.21 | py | CutMeOwnThroat: come on, it was a joke! |
| 08:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can learn the basics of a scripting language in... well, 2 days to a week |
| 08:33.34 | Malmis | py set a PATH to python2.5 ? |
| 08:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's for writing your own small stuff! |
| 08:33.50 | py | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean, python must work, it's not a python problem, it's a setup problem in a shared host |
| 08:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so ask them |
| 08:34.11 | py | Malmis: how can I set up a path to pythno2.5? I have tried |
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| 08:35.04 | py | Malmis: I mean, the binary is in /usr/bin and libraries are in /usr/lib/python2.5 |
| 08:35.28 | Malmis | ok i dont know =) |
| 08:35.55 | kripz_ | how do i check if udf 2.5 is supported by my kernel? |
| 08:36.23 | py | whereis python and I get a thrilliion responses |
| 08:36.48 | shiro_ | py: try to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the python2.5 lib directory ? (I'm not sure of that) |
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| 08:38.17 | streuner_ | Malmis: ls -l /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 08:38.47 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 08:39.16 | Malmis | streuner_ yeah what about it? |
| 08:39.26 | man_in_shack | when xscreensaver locks my screen, it refuses to accept my password |
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| 08:39.38 | streuner_ | Malmis: pleas show us the output |
| 08:39.41 | man_in_shack | anyone else have an issue like this? |
| 08:39.43 | streuner_ | please* |
| 08:39.59 | Malmis | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1406 2009-09-06 22:21 /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 08:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | shiro_, that's something else |
| 08:40.24 | streuner_ | amset:/etc/init.d# ls -l /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 08:40.24 | streuner_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1406 16. Jul 23:33 /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 08:40.46 | streuner_ | hm, should be the same files |
| 08:40.51 | shiro_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok |
| 08:41.09 | Malmis | but theres no symlink for it in rcS.d |
| 08:41.14 | Malmis | should it be ? |
| 08:41.43 | mhymn | man_in_shack: well, i've only had such issue when the keyboard layout was not english |
| 08:43.02 | man_in_shack | huh |
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| 08:43.52 | Malmis | streuner_ hmm bootmisch.sh doesn't seem to be run from anywhere.. |
| 08:43.58 | Malmis | bootmisc.h even |
| 08:44.03 | Malmis | bluh |
| 08:44.06 | Malmis | .sh =) |
| 08:44.27 | man_in_shack | /var/log/auth.log says "check pass; user unknown" |
| 08:45.23 | iceroot | if i want stdout and stderr in one log. is there a shorter way then >> and 2>>? |
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| 08:46.08 | Malmis | hm it was in rcS.d i see now, but maybe wrong order.. |
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| 08:48.19 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/110569/ << this is from /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:48.36 | man_in_shack | looks like it's not setting logname= correctly |
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| 09:00.24 | canardhache | i am a problem with live helper, i not make a iso, beceause problem with lh_build error |
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| 09:08.56 | tramsei_ | How do disable bold fonts in urxvt? i have urxvt +sb -pe tabbed -is -fb Shine -fi Shine -fbi Shine as my command (Shine is the font), but this makes the bold/italic font 1 size smaller [ thus making it unreadable ] |
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| 09:15.14 | jelly | tramsei_: hm, an exquivalent of -fn and -fb works for me. |
| 09:15.17 | jelly | URxvt.font:-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1 |
| 09:15.17 | jelly | URxvt.boldFont:-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1 |
| 09:15.40 | jelly | tramsei_: this is a bitmap font though. |
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| 09:22.14 | canardhache | i do: lh_config --bootstrap copy --debian-installer live --hostname alkmaon --bootappend-live "persistent noautologin" ; lh_build |
| 09:22.21 | canardhache | lh_config error? |
| 09:24.31 | liable | canardhache: there is #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:24.38 | canardhache | thx |
| 09:24.53 | liable | yw |
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| 09:33.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:33.55 | dpkg | <gribouille> I've already read the manuals |
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| 09:37.09 | Frx | do i need anything other than deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main in my sources.list for a normal stable system? |
| 09:37.21 | liable | nope |
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| 09:37.37 | liable | you might want contrib and non-free |
| 09:37.38 | Frx | liable : thats for 5.0.3 ? |
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| 09:37.48 | liable | for lenny, yeah |
| 09:38.08 | liable | dont ask me about the number, i always forget what it is |
| 09:38.09 | Frx | k |
| 09:38.39 | Frx | liable :regarding backports , how safe is adding it to the sources.list? |
| 09:38.48 | liable | pretty safe |
| 09:38.51 | Frx | i need a non-free intel wifi driver |
| 09:38.58 | liable | which? |
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| 09:39.17 | man_in_shack | driver or firmware? |
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| 09:39.49 | Frx | Intel 5100 |
| 09:40.48 | Frx | so its firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:40.58 | Frx | and a newer kernel :s |
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| 09:41.10 | jhutchins_lt | kernel.org |
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| 09:41.26 | Frx | jhutchins_lt : no thank you, apt got it for me |
| 09:41.35 | liable | there is compatability packages at linuxwireless.org if you want to compile just the wifi driver |
| 09:41.50 | tombs | hi all...is there any "trick" to solve this problem? --> EXT3-fs: sda3: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240). |
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| 09:42.01 | liable | ew |
| 09:42.16 | liable | tombs: how did you manage to make it do that? |
| 09:42.33 | tombs | liable: during the install I choose ext4 fs |
| 09:42.43 | tombs | but fdisk list as ext3 |
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| 09:42.56 | Frx | :S |
| 09:43.05 | liable | hmm, i'l have to defer to someone else, i havent played with ext4 yet |
| 09:43.07 | Frx | thought it was an ntfs error at first |
| 09:43.36 | tombs | liable: thx anyway :) |
| 09:43.37 | rafuch0 | i am having problems setting up squirremail |
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| 09:44.13 | man_in_shack | ext4 IS ext3 |
| 09:44.23 | petemc | no its not |
| 09:44.24 | man_in_shack | just that it has some features that ext3 can't handle |
| 09:44.27 | man_in_shack | like extents |
| 09:44.27 | rafuch0 | i log in normaly into squirremail user and password |
| 09:44.55 | man_in_shack | petemc, you can have an ext4 partition that is mountable as ext3. all you need to do is turn off extents when you mkfs it |
| 09:45.08 | liable | tombs: you didnt install stable with a testing cd or something did you? |
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| 09:45.24 | tombs | liable: netinst(testing) |
| 09:45.27 | man_in_shack | <tombs> but fdisk list as ext3 << um, no it doesn't :) |
| 09:45.52 | tombs | man_in_shack: yes! |
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| 09:46.05 | man_in_shack | fdisk doesn't know about filesystems |
| 09:46.06 | rafuch0 | it dosent sent the emails |
| 09:46.16 | liable | rafuch0: check its log |
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| 09:46.40 | Frx | wishs suspend /resume would work once out of the box |
| 09:46.41 | petemc | rafuch0: you need to tell squirrelmail how to send email, whether to use local sendmail or smtp |
| 09:46.48 | liable | !be a mail barbie |
| 09:46.48 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 09:46.59 | tombs | man_in_shack: sorry! you are right! When I check the partitions...like using gparted |
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| 09:48.18 | rafuch0 | i installed postfix |
| 09:48.31 | rafuch0 | i run squirrelmail-configure |
| 09:48.32 | tombs | man_in_shack: so..I'm not able to mount now, to fix grub |
| 09:49.45 | chunky | can anyone tell me what these errors mean? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/769345/IMAG0044.jpg |
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| 09:50.40 | man_in_shack | chuck, "Bus error"? |
| 09:51.46 | man_in_shack | oops |
| 09:52.00 | man_in_shack | chunky, "Bus error"? |
| 09:52.12 | chunky | thatswhat it says |
| 09:52.21 | man_in_shack | bus error is like segfault but worse |
| 09:52.33 | man_in_shack | means it's trying to access memory that physically doesn't exist |
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| 09:53.38 | man_in_shack | could mean a dead ram stick |
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| 09:55.29 | NSchermer | I have a question regarding dpkg, is -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions used in the default LDFLAGS? |
| 09:56.11 | man_in_shack | can't you check? |
| 09:56.23 | NSchermer | don't have debian, so no. |
| 09:56.42 | man_in_shack | so why are you asking? :P |
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| 09:58.45 | NSchermer | man_in_shack, we've been considering to use this flag in some of the libraries in xfce, but some people thought it would be a risk. Now if debian/ubuntu is passing this in the default flags it would be a good argument this is properly tested. |
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| 10:30.31 | norgur | hey |
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| 10:32.59 | norgur | got a question about pulseaudio. i can not adjust the output-volume anymore. neither in pavucontrol nor in gnome-settings. muting in pavucontrol works. setting the device's volume to 0 mutes, too. but when moving the slider to 1% i will have the full volume, as it would be set to 100%. Moving the slider around just keeps useless |
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| 10:33.13 | norgur | any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 10:41.45 | boulbul | hello, I am experiencing a very slow browsing on debian lenny ...and can not excess my emails on yahoo |
| 10:41.56 | boulbul | I had the same experience with ubuntu |
| 10:42.28 | liable | slow browsing? lookups? |
| 10:42.30 | boulbul | I am definitely sure that it is to do with the system rather then with the browser... |
| 10:42.33 | liable | !noipv6 |
| 10:42.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 10:43.17 | boulbul | liable: I have checked the internet...there was something about ipV6...I have changed the system to use IPv4 but no luck still |
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| 10:43.58 | liable | how did you change it? |
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| 10:46.22 | boulbul | have any one experience the same thing...I can not be the only one with such a problem...there are a number of people on the net, but with no solution to follow |
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| 10:46.51 | Frx | any suggestions for an alternative to xchat ? |
| 10:46.59 | liable | irssi |
| 10:47.05 | liable | !best irc lient |
| 10:47.12 | liable | daya: stupid bbot |
| 10:47.24 | liable | meh, no, stupid liable |
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| 10:47.50 | Frx | liable : gui |
| 10:48.06 | liable | irssi is gui, in an xterm |
| 10:48.08 | Frx | i have gnome installed, no point in using irssi |
| 10:48.36 | Frx | liable : its useful over ssh |
| 10:48.46 | liable | it can be made to look very nice. i love my irssi colours |
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| 10:48.56 | Frx | :S |
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| 10:50.03 | Frx | goes to try Quassel |
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| 10:52.28 | hyperzid | Anyone know what I should make sure to get as good performance as possible out of nfs? |
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| 10:52.47 | hyperzid | Does it matter if I run it in kernel mode, or not? |
| 10:52.48 | petemc | make sure to get 10gig ethernet |
| 10:53.02 | p0g0 | liable: g'day. |
| 10:53.16 | jazzcat | hello. Forgive my poor knowledge in debian but can I install an unstable package in a testing installation? |
| 10:54.24 | norgur | sudo apt-get install <package name> |
| 10:54.36 | liable | p0g0: ! aloha |
| 10:54.49 | jazzcat | I mean without downloading by hand and installing the .deb package with dpkg. I would like apt to be able to maintain a testing installation but with certains packages in the unstable branch |
| 10:55.01 | norgur | ah okay |
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| 10:55.07 | norgur | so you will need apt-pinning |
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| 10:55.32 | norgur | first, you will have to add the unstable repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:55.32 | jazzcat | norgur: oh I didn't know that existed |
| 10:55.39 | jazzcat | I will take a look to it |
| 10:55.44 | liable | p0g0: long time no speaky. whats new? |
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| 10:56.15 | manu_zacharia | hi all - how can i install squashfs-modules-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 10:56.23 | manu_zacharia | apt-get is not working |
| 10:56.27 | p0g0 | liable: not too much, work, life, the universe... |
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| 10:56.31 | jazzcat | norgur: but if I add the unstable repository to sources.list won't apt-upgrade upgrade all packages to unstable versions? |
| 10:56.40 | manu_zacharia | i am getting the following error - E: Couldn't find package squashfs-modules-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 10:56.46 | liable | p0g0: boring! :P |
| 10:56.51 | norgur | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free so when this is your standard repo |
| 10:56.56 | hyperzid | How can I check the network card speed? |
| 10:57.00 | petemc | ethtool |
| 10:57.12 | norgur | add deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 10:57.55 | norgur | but just add, do not replace the old entry |
| 10:57.58 | jazzcat | sorry, I meant testing when I said unstable |
| 10:58.00 | jazzcat | oks |
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| 10:58.20 | norgur | so you have got stable and want to use testing packages? |
| 10:58.50 | liable | that way insanity lies |
| 10:59.10 | liable | lyes? |
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| 10:59.30 | liable | no, the former |
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| 11:00.17 | jazzcat | no no sorry I get mixed... I have an testing installation and i want to try an unstable package |
| 11:00.33 | liable | even more insanity! |
| 11:00.42 | norgur | okay |
| 11:00.49 | liable | !bobbit |
| 11:00.57 | hyperzid | petemc: I got a gbit connection between theese two servers.. I dont think the network is the problem. |
| 11:01.02 | liable | dpkg: wake up you useless swine! |
| 11:01.02 | dpkg | grabs an IV full of caffeine and injects it into you useless swine!'s arm |
| 11:01.03 | norgur | then the instructions will be fine |
| 11:01.11 | jazzcat | in fact, what I want to do is try the opencv package in its unstable version, because it doesn't work in the testing one |
| 11:01.28 | norgur | have you added the repo? |
| 11:01.40 | jazzcat | yes i did, and apt-updated also |
| 11:01.45 | Frx | liable : to set a splash for grub, do i need to install another software |
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| 11:01.57 | norgur | that was not neccessary at this time |
| 11:01.59 | Frx | or do i just add the file to menu.lst? |
| 11:02.04 | jazzcat | oh... |
| 11:02.08 | norgur | now open your /etc/apt/preferences |
| 11:02.14 | jazzcat | oks |
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| 11:02.33 | norgur | and make shure it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m601f8202 |
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| 11:02.47 | liable | Frx: /msg dpkg splashy |
| 11:03.05 | Farhadix | Hi guys, which command can list my computer parts, like dvd-writer name and firmware version of it, |
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| 11:03.33 | liable | lshw |
| 11:03.39 | jazzcat | well, souldn't I change stable for testing and testing for unstable? |
| 11:03.47 | norgur | oh, sorry |
| 11:03.52 | norgur | indeed^^ |
| 11:03.56 | jazzcat | hehe |
| 11:04.02 | liable | i see stormy nights ahead |
| 11:04.04 | jazzcat | don't worry |
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| 11:04.19 | Frx | liable : no im talking about grub's splash |
| 11:04.22 | Frx | not the boot splash |
| 11:04.30 | liable | Frx: no idea then |
| 11:04.51 | mesaGL | Frx: grub 1 or grub 2 ? |
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| 11:05.14 | Frx | mesaGL : how would i check? |
| 11:05.21 | Frx | i remember reading something below 1 |
| 11:05.27 | Frx | so 0.9-something |
| 11:05.35 | jazzcat | norgur: and then , what must I do to specify the branch in apt-get install? |
| 11:05.45 | norgur | jazzcat: the decreasing numbers tell your package managers in which order they should use the repos |
| 11:05.55 | jazzcat | aha |
| 11:06.00 | jazzcat | I guessed that |
| 11:06.00 | norgur | when you have saved the file |
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| 11:06.11 | norgur | run an aptitude update |
| 11:06.12 | mesaGL | Frx: do you have /boot/grub/menu.lst as your config ? |
| 11:06.15 | Frx | mesaGL : fresh debian stable install yesterday |
| 11:06.17 | Frx | yes |
| 11:06.20 | mesaGL | ok |
| 11:06.40 | jazzcat | norgur: done |
| 11:06.40 | Frx | mesaGL : would it work without installing any other software |
| 11:06.44 | Frx | just link to the image ? |
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| 11:07.03 | norgur | then, you can install packages from unstable with sudo aptitude -t unstable install <package name> |
| 11:07.03 | mesaGL | Frx: yes. but the splash has to be xpm.gz format, 640x480 14 colours |
| 11:07.17 | jazzcat | okk |
| 11:07.22 | norgur | or apt-get -t unstable install <package name> |
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| 11:08.16 | jazzcat | norgur: thanks a lot |
| 11:08.30 | norgur | np dud |
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| 11:09.12 | mesaGL | Frx: splashimage /boot/grub/mysplash.xpm.gz |
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| 11:09.29 | jazzcat | well by the way, if anyone there has also got some problems with opencv libraries and could activate ffmpeg support in anyway I would be grateful to know how he/she managed to do so ! |
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| 11:10.08 | liable | jazzcat: got debian-multimedia in your sources? |
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| 11:10.29 | liable | dunno if is done in that, but its your most likely option |
| 11:10.30 | jazzcat | liable: nope |
| 11:10.48 | liable | !dmo |
| 11:10.53 | liable | grr |
| 11:10.57 | liable | !dmm |
| 11:10.57 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 11:11.01 | Frx | mesaGL : shouldnt it be something like splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/back.xpm.gz ? |
| 11:11.14 | jazzcat | libable: but I used to have opencv working properly in my system since I once upgraded and it cracshed |
| 11:11.16 | jazzcat | ok... |
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| 11:14.16 | mesaGL | Frx: there is no = sign, and you can either specify the path using "real" filesystem, or by using grub co-ordinates. if /boot is first partition of first drive, then in grub it would be (hd0,0) |
| 11:15.03 | mesaGL | Frx: just put the image somewhere in /boot and it doesn't matter either way |
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| 11:16.59 | anoob | my apache don't reads shtml file extension |
| 11:17.04 | anoob | how can i solve it? |
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| 11:19.04 | thrashold | anoob: AddType text/html .shtml <newline> AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml |
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| 11:25.56 | learnboy | hello everybody! |
| 11:26.03 | liable | hello! |
| 11:26.10 | learnboy | i get a problem |
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| 11:26.38 | norgur | would you be so kind to precise this? |
| 11:26.39 | learnboy | i cat install ati drivers in debian |
| 11:26.49 | liable | meh |
| 11:27.05 | liable | most cards are supported by the oss ones now |
| 11:27.09 | learnboy | my video card is ati 9550 |
| 11:27.09 | norgur | so what is the problem? |
| 11:27.39 | norgur | learnboy: can you describe what you did |
| 11:27.50 | norgur | and what happened in return? |
| 11:28.05 | learnboy | no screens found |
| 11:28.11 | psychik | a |
| 11:28.12 | liable | hehe |
| 11:28.12 | learnboy | it says |
| 11:28.17 | norgur | so |
| 11:28.20 | liable | @irritate bob2 |
| 11:28.25 | norgur | the drivers are instaled |
| 11:28.26 | learnboy | i cat startx |
| 11:28.28 | norgur | *installed |
| 11:28.34 | norgur | but x won't start |
| 11:28.43 | learnboy | yeah |
| 11:28.45 | liable | simonrvn: where did ravenbird go? |
| 11:29.06 | norgur | can you post your xorg.conf? |
| 11:29.07 | learnboy | when i removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:29.24 | learnboy | i can statx again |
| 11:29.25 | learnboy | ok |
| 11:29.46 | norgur | but it will not load any ati-drivers now |
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| 11:30.10 | norgur | try to execute "glxgears" from a running X-session |
| 11:31.01 | learnboy | command not found |
| 11:31.06 | learnboy | it says |
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| 11:31.32 | learnboy | but i have just install fglrx |
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| 11:33.12 | norgur | do an apropos glx |
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| 11:34.14 | learnboy | what it means? |
| 11:34.14 | norgur | what does it say? |
| 11:34.14 | anoob | thrashold, can i add it in any place? |
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| 11:35.09 | learnboy | fgl_glxgears (1x) - display info about a GLX extension and OpenGL renderer |
| 11:35.09 | learnboy | fglrxinfo (1x) - display info about a GLX extension and OpenGL renderer |
| 11:35.34 | norgur | run fgl_glxgears |
| 11:35.43 | liable | if you have that, fglrx is installed.. |
| 11:35.56 | liable | why you persist with it, who knows.. |
| 11:36.09 | learnboy | debian:~# fgl_glxgears |
| 11:36.09 | learnboy | Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer |
| 11:36.09 | learnboy | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
| 11:36.09 | learnboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.09 | learnboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.22 | thrashold | anoob: See the docs for the AddType and AddOutputFilter options, they would say where they are allowed. |
| 11:36.36 | norgur | so there is no GLX-Module |
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| 11:36.58 | norgur | so there is no glx module |
| 11:37.09 | anoob | where can i find it? |
| 11:37.12 | learnboy | what should i do |
| 11:37.25 | norgur | which driver is installed on your system? |
| 11:38.05 | learnboy | i installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src |
| 11:38.09 | thrashold | learnboy: By the way, why are you trying to use fglrx for the 9550 radeon? The DRI drivers worked fine for me. They are probably a bit slower, but still fine. And fglrx has caused me nothing but problems. |
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| 11:38.28 | learnboy | really |
| 11:38.33 | learnboy | really? |
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| 11:39.15 | norgur | could you please post your xorg.conf to pastebin.com and then post the link here? |
| 11:40.02 | learnboy | i dont know how to post xorg.conf |
| 11:40.05 | mesaGL | learnboy: "radeon" open driver for 9550 works better than fglrx, it's just a case of having a decent xorg.conf, and once you get one, guarding it like gold bullion |
| 11:40.47 | norgur | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:40.57 | norgur | then paste the output to pastebin.com |
| 11:41.18 | learnboy | ok |
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| 11:43.39 | learnboy | here is it |
| 11:43.42 | learnboy | http://pastebin.com/m417ac955 |
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| 11:44.48 | learnboy | mesaGL : how can i install it |
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| 11:45.35 | learnboy | ? |
| 11:45.37 | mesaGL | learnboy: get rid of all that fglrx stuff, then install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 11:45.54 | learnboy | that's all? |
| 11:46.08 | iamleneko | hi |
| 11:46.12 | mesaGL | learnboy: your xorg.conf has to say "radeon" |
| 11:46.24 | iamleneko | is there some bug on the openssl on debian 5.0 ? |
| 11:46.56 | learnboy | you mean i shou modify some section? |
| 11:48.45 | learnboy | norgur : is there any problem? |
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| 11:49.02 | mesaGL | time to get your hands dirty. and learn some vim while you're at it |
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| 11:49.55 | scream_ | vim ftw |
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| 11:51.02 | wols | iamleneko: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:51.26 | liable | ah, the grumpy german returns! |
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| 11:52.12 | fly| | !start a distro war |
| 11:52.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 11:52.22 | fly| | ^^ |
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| 11:52.42 | learnboy | mesaGL: i have already install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 11:52.55 | et | !start an editor war |
| 11:52.55 | dpkg | zile blows |
| 11:53.07 | wols | but unless you ninstall fglrx your X probably won't use it |
| 11:53.15 | wols | *uninst |
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| 11:53.36 | mesaGL | learnboy: have you uninstalled all the fglrx badness ? this is a must, as it overwrites ("diverts") some important libraries |
| 11:53.50 | liable | yes, mesa things |
| 11:54.05 | learnboy | ok,i will try |
| 11:54.08 | wols | and pray you installed glrx via a debian deb package from non-free... |
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| 11:54.20 | wols | if you installed it from ati's website: good luck |
| 11:55.04 | mesaGL | liable: i'm gonna paste a sample xorg.conf. you MUST edit it for your own use, but it will serve as a half-decent template - http://nopaste.com/p/a2onK0RU8 |
| 11:55.32 | mesaGL | warning will robinson ! danger ! danger ! |
| 11:55.35 | wols | why does he need a xorg.conf again? |
| 11:56.09 | mesaGL | wols: becasue the claim that "Xorg runs with config files" is fantasy |
| 11:56.14 | liable | mesaGL: huh? my x is working fine thanks.. |
| 11:56.17 | mesaGL | *without |
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| 11:56.33 | wols | mesaGL: too bad it's the debian way. better tell this to DDs |
| 11:56.37 | liable | though radeon is fucked up atm.. |
| 11:56.39 | mesaGL | liable: sowwy. i meant learnboy |
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| 11:57.05 | learnboy | ok,see you later |
| 11:57.15 | liable | i havent had much joy with the new configless x i must admit |
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| 11:57.45 | wols | me neither, but it must be god somehow, in some cases. right? |
| 11:58.02 | petemc | when it works its great |
| 11:58.04 | wols | or has there been a torrent of people moaning about X configs here? |
| 11:58.06 | liable | my hardware is 4 years old, so i doubt it.. |
| 11:58.46 | wols | petemc: what I hate is that there is no drxx anymore, not even with a --expert setting or such |
| 11:59.00 | wols | make the easy configless the default but keep a backup |
| 11:59.01 | liable | theres X --config |
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| 11:59.23 | liable | which funnily, we told people *not* to use for years |
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| 12:00.13 | liable | !drxx |
| 12:00.13 | dpkg | For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 12:00.25 | liable | !xorg config |
| 12:00.25 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 12:00.42 | liable | fucking hell |
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| 12:00.53 | liable | i hate factoids that do that |
| 12:01.19 | liable | factoid dependancy hell |
| 12:02.17 | wols | we need an apt for our dpkg? oh wait, already there... sorta |
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| 12:02.38 | et | dpkg: tail recursion is <reply>if you aren't sick of it already, see <tail recursion> |
| 12:02.38 | dpkg | okay, et |
| 12:02.51 | liable | !beat et |
| 12:02.51 | dpkg | beats et with a large stick. |
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| 12:04.47 | WormFood | I got a usb wireless card...when I plug it into my laptop, I get the device on wlan2 automaticall, but on my desktop I don't...it sees the card, and appears to load the firmware for it (it is installed), but still no wlan* device....I know I must have disabled it in the kernel config, but I'll be damned if I can find where it is....anyone know off hand? |
| 12:04.49 | tomolds | I have just got a very old pc from a friend and am going to put debian on it. How can I format the drive with bad block checks as the disk is pre-SMART ? |
| 12:04.53 | themill | drxx =~ s/<xorg config>/<xorg config> <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>/ |
| 12:04.58 | themill | dpkg, drxx =~ s/<xorg config>/<xorg config> <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>/ |
| 12:04.59 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 12:05.03 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: Hi, you remember me? |
| 12:05.19 | WormFood | hi ManateeLazyCat, I sure do remember you....at least I remember your nick ;) |
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| 12:05.33 | WormFood | I don't remember what we were talking about, but I'm sure you do ;) :P |
| 12:05.49 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: I teach you Chinese, you teach me English. |
| 12:05.54 | ManateeLazyCat | :) |
| 12:06.07 | WormFood | but I don't see you on #mandarin |
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| 12:06.28 | WormFood | you should add #mandarin to your channels automatically joined when you get on irc :P |
| 12:06.29 | wols | WormFood: look up the USB ID and go from there |
| 12:06.47 | WormFood | wols, it sees the usb device just fine, but I don't get wlan device |
| 12:07.01 | hyperzid | How good performance does nfs have? |
| 12:07.05 | WormFood | it works perfectly in my laptop |
| 12:07.13 | tomolds | hyperzid: better than samba |
| 12:07.17 | WormFood | hyperzid, it depends on a lot of different factors |
| 12:07.32 | hyperzid | tomolds: what about sshfs? |
| 12:07.49 | hyperzid | WormFood: which factors? |
| 12:07.52 | WormFood | I like nfs overall....not perfect |
| 12:07.55 | WormFood | network |
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| 12:08.04 | WormFood | nothing will work well if you have network problems |
| 12:08.08 | tomolds | hyperzid: never used it myself. I really like nfs though, just security lacks, but for local network it's great. |
| 12:08.17 | WormFood | if your network is fast, nfs will be nice |
| 12:08.19 | wols | WormFood: and your point is. get the USB ID and go from there |
| 12:08.41 | WormFood | wols, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter |
| 12:08.49 | liable | you lose |
| 12:08.53 | wols | tomolds: boot from cd. format the partition, and use badblocks and e2fsck to set the badblocks |
| 12:09.15 | wols | WormFood: that shows what driver you need. and what you need to include in the kernel if you custom compiled it |
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| 12:09.21 | hyperzid | WormFood: tomolds: I got a gbit connection between theese two servers. But still the performance is very bad.. But I dont know how to find out if nfs is the problem, or maybe the disk, or something else. |
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| 12:09.26 | liable | WormFood: you should know ralink wireless sucks ass |
| 12:09.29 | tomolds | wols: so there is nothing to be done at time of formatting then, I must just periodically check for bad blocks using the two tools you suggest? |
| 12:09.42 | WormFood | liable, it is free...I found it in my apartment from the previous owners |
| 12:09.50 | WormFood | and it works great on my laptop |
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| 12:09.58 | wols | tomolds: no. but a disk which already has bad blocks happening is dead already. At best it's a zombie |
| 12:10.08 | WormFood | not always |
| 12:10.15 | wols | WormFood: do you have a custom kernel? |
| 12:10.24 | liable | WormFood: unfortunately, the linux people for ralink are way behind the score |
| 12:10.40 | wols | btw: if the driver is not loaded, neither is the firmware. so better check with ifconfig for a network device again |
| 12:10.44 | WormFood | if you can get the factory low-level format program for your hard drive, then sometimes you can bring it "back to life", and work well....but the program to do a true low-level format is hard to find (and unique to the drive) |
| 12:10.50 | WormFood | wols, yes, I said it is a custom kernel |
| 12:11.05 | WormFood | liable, it works fine on my 2.6.26 kernel on my laptop |
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| 12:11.09 | liable | great, then we get to blame that |
| 12:11.12 | wols | liable: there is a Free linux driver. Doesn't make the hardware any better. it's still shit |
| 12:11.24 | wols | WormFood: your initial statement still doesn't add up |
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| 12:11.50 | liable | wols: i know, i'm in the eee debian team, i've dealt with ralink drivers for a while. |
| 12:11.52 | wols | if the firmware is loaded, there is a driver loaded already and there most likely is a network device. how did you check? |
| 12:11.53 | WormFood | I have a custom kernel on my laptop and it works there....custom kernel on my desktop, and it does not work there....I can't figure out what kernel option I'm missing |
| 12:12.09 | WormFood | I was hoping someone might know |
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| 12:12.36 | wols | WormFood: last time: if the firmware is loaded as you say it's not a kernel problem. more like a problem between two ears |
| 12:12.39 | wols | !ralink |
| 12:12.40 | dpkg | Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline kernels, ask me about <rt2x00> and <ralink firmware>. For support of 802.11 draft-n devices, ask me about <rt2860sta> (PCI) or <rt2870sta> (USB) instead. |
| 12:12.41 | liable | WormFood: experimental drivers or somesuch, GKH added it as a stp gap |
| 12:12.53 | liable | s/stp/stop/ |
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| 12:13.20 | learnboy | mesaGL : it dont work!! |
| 12:13.58 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 12:13.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 12:14.34 | liable | !irritate wols |
| 12:14.34 | dpkg | wols: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome hello? |
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| 12:14.54 | wols | very old |
| 12:15.03 | p0g0 | liable: I'm surprised you need a bot to do that. |
| 12:15.26 | liable | p0g0: i love bots, you should know this! :) |
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| 12:15.41 | ranix_ | can one actually successfully overwrite the entirety of / while it is mounted? |
| 12:15.41 | jelly | p0g0: we need every bit of help with irritation assignments |
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| 12:16.04 | wols | everybody loves bots. dpkg is literally the only reason I joined the channel |
| 12:16.05 | liable | but wols is a grumpy old bastard, i like to push him over the edge :) |
| 12:16.07 | p0g0 | liable: speaking of, you can still get a wombat if you like. |
| 12:16.08 | ranix | I am doing it and it appears to be working |
| 12:16.25 | tomolds | ranix: let me know how it goes. |
| 12:16.30 | ranix | tomolds: will do |
| 12:16.38 | wols | ranix: of course you can. linux doesn't try to hold you back from shooting your foot |
| 12:16.40 | liable | p0g0: i will i will. i'm just the slackest bastard you are ever likely to meet! |
| 12:16.44 | ranix | rsync gave no errors |
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| 12:16.47 | tomolds | ranix: But why do you want to? |
| 12:16.48 | jelly | ranix: step 1) create a chroot environment in a tmpfs/ramfs; bind mount / somewhere in it; chroot; nuke your system |
| 12:16.56 | p0g0 | actually, I was run out of #sidux for writing a language translatation bot...not every one loves them. |
| 12:16.57 | ranix | wols: I just am surprised there were no open handles or anything |
| 12:16.57 | learnboy | here my xorg.conf .http://pastebin.com/d96c4adc |
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| 12:17.03 | p0g0 | *translation |
| 12:17.33 | wols | ranix: there are TONS. but unlike certain other BS single user no multitasking systems, Linux and Unix in general will not lock files just because |
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| 12:17.53 | jelly | ranix: if you were careful enough not to try removing stuff in /dev, /proc or /sys, but only real filesystem entries in /, I don't see why it would fail |
| 12:18.20 | wols | e.g you can delete your libc just fine, but you will be really sorry next time any program is loaded |
| 12:18.39 | wols | everything already running will go on forever happily tho |
| 12:18.44 | liable | well, it should e in memory |
| 12:18.47 | ranix | jelly: yeah it was an rsync -x |
| 12:18.49 | jelly | wols: even Windows NT does mandatory locking by default, and it's not a single user system |
| 12:18.50 | liable | +b |
| 12:18.54 | ranix | if this works it will save me hours |
| 12:19.18 | ranix | I am basically making a 1:1 copy of a live fileserver |
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| 12:19.22 | wols | jelly: well, in my book it is not a real multiuser system just because of that |
| 12:19.31 | jelly | wols: find a better book |
| 12:19.35 | wols | it simply painfully shows where it comes from. greetings from DOS |
| 12:19.48 | jelly | shrugs |
| 12:20.08 | liable | mmmm, i substituted cook for book, now i'm hungey |
| 12:20.08 | ranix | some of the actual in-use files will be all fubar, but then I can recopy them tonight when nobody is using them, swp machines, and clean/fix/upgrade the machine that needs 100% uptime during the day tomorrow while coworkers use the temp box instead |
| 12:20.17 | wols | I understand the design tradeoffs from times when memory was scarce. still doesn't mean I like it |
| 12:20.19 | liable | hungry even |
| 12:20.50 | wols | can be tricky to find out which files are fubar. |
| 12:21.00 | jelly | I wish GNU/Linux had working multiple snapshots by default, and block-change bitmaps for backups. |
| 12:21.16 | ranix | yeah I'm going to do a whole new copy when nobody is in the building to have files open |
| 12:21.35 | superjet_busy | who can paste the two lines of /etc/ld.so.conf ? just deleted it and can't recover now... |
| 12:21.40 | wols | zfs for linux? |
| 12:21.40 | ranix | I also did make sure libc was the same on both machines before attempting wols ;) |
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| 12:22.07 | wols | as long as the binaries and the libc match, they can be different easily |
| 12:22.21 | jelly | ranix: when migrating, we usually do the first rsync online, and put apps offline just for the final syncup. |
| 12:22.23 | wols | just that when a new binary is loaded, it can use the proper, new libs. or there is hell to pay |
| 12:22.39 | ranix | jelly: cool, sounds like I have the right idea then |
| 12:22.56 | jelly | ranix: it's just common sense, minimizing the actual downtime |
| 12:23.11 | wols | jelly: how do you deal with apps that constantly create new processes? e.g. some MTAs for example? |
| 12:23.23 | ranix | my boss was all gung-ho for the "let's stay until 8pm tonight" and I was all "no, I want to go home and eat dinner instead?" |
| 12:23.24 | jelly | wols: "and put apps offline just for the final syncup." |
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| 12:23.40 | wols | so you upgrade the binaries on that final sync? |
| 12:24.02 | jelly | oh, I was talking about migration. |
| 12:24.26 | ranix | right now I'm cloning the system before attempting migration |
| 12:24.38 | wols | ah, so you keep the old server running, copy over everything, then take the apps offline on the old server, copy over the data and then restart apps? |
| 12:24.45 | jelly | wols: right |
| 12:24.48 | ranix | the only thing that will be different is mdadm.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:24.55 | ranix | ideally |
| 12:25.21 | jelly | wishes there was a production-grade file-based raid1 |
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| 12:25.35 | wsxws | hi there |
| 12:25.36 | mjt | is md not working? |
| 12:25.44 | ranix | md isn't file-based, it's block-based |
| 12:25.48 | wsxws | how to generate a md5-hash on commandline ? |
| 12:25.55 | WormFood | wsxws, md5sum |
| 12:25.59 | jelly | wsxws: md5sum file [file2...] |
| 12:25.59 | mjt | ranix: losetup? |
| 12:26.16 | ranix | I heard of losetup for the first time yesterday actually |
| 12:26.19 | ranix | and have no idea what it is |
| 12:26.31 | mjt | it's a tool to turn any file into block device |
| 12:26.32 | jelly | mjt: the idea is to painlessly migrate data to another machine or another filesystem |
| 12:26.56 | mjt | how file-based raid helps here? |
| 12:27.17 | ranix | you could keep two servers synched while both are live and in-use |
| 12:27.21 | wsxws | i dont have a file, i have a var |
| 12:27.31 | jelly | mjt: a unionfs-like overlay to update the current copy _and_ the rsync-in-progress new copy with no downtine |
| 12:27.40 | mjt | that's what drbd is for |
| 12:27.57 | mjt | works for whole filesystem |
| 12:28.06 | mesaGL | learnboy: are you saying you tried to use that xorg.conf i pasted, after telling you categorically IN CAPITALS, that you must edit it to suit your setup, and it didn't work ? |
| 12:28.06 | jelly | mjt: you can't change the filesystem that way. |
| 12:28.14 | mjt | sure |
| 12:28.34 | jelly | mjt: that's why a file-based mirror would be nice. |
| 12:28.45 | learnboy | yes, i post xorg.conf |
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| 12:29.23 | mjt | if i'm cloning a system, i want exact copy of all data |
| 12:29.35 | mjt | that's what drbd does |
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| 12:30.05 | jelly | mjt: one would be able to change the underlying fs type, do defrag, move to different/larger/smaller storage with a mirror that only cared about files. |
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| 12:30.07 | vivid | hey, im trying to install squeeze from a business card image and the installation fails at installing base system. might there be a working version of a netinstall somewhere that i can use? |
| 12:30.12 | jelly | drbd is a block device. |
| 12:30.23 | WormFood | god damn it! I found my problem....I had overlooked compiling the driver into the kernel |
| 12:30.23 | mjt | sure |
| 12:30.27 | WormFood | hangs his head in shame |
| 12:30.31 | learnboy | i posted it here: http://pastebin.com/d96c4adc |
| 12:30.50 | Malmis | does anyone else than streuner_ know how to help me (he doesn't i think..) with this problem... http://malmis.com/stuff/boot-debian.txt , my problem is that it tries to bootclean before the system is remounted as read-write... and i don't know what to fix.. |
| 12:31.05 | WormFood | wols, you were right |
| 12:31.07 | learnboy | you can check it for errors |
| 12:31.13 | jelly | mjt: typically after migrating a system to new hardware using rsync, I see 30% - 300% performance increase, especially for backups. |
| 12:31.40 | ranix | wsxws: mkpasswd can create an md5sum on the command line |
| 12:31.40 | jelly | mjt: drbd would keep the exact fs structure (years of fragmentation) |
| 12:31.43 | mjt | it depends on the hardware :) |
| 12:31.57 | mjt | and that's something i never saw |
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| 12:32.03 | jelly | lucky you! |
| 12:32.07 | mjt | i've alot of systems that are running for decades |
| 12:32.38 | ranix | you should probably upgrade those to save energy costs |
| 12:32.43 | mjt | during that time some were reinstalled, some were upgraded to new hw with exact disk copy in progress etc |
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| 12:33.18 | mjt | ranix: many these machines requires far less power than nowady ones, so it'd be INcreasing energy costs. |
| 12:33.18 | ranix | systems from more than one decade ago probably chew some serious electricity |
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| 12:33.28 | ranix | I don't believe you |
| 12:33.39 | mjt | as you wish |
| 12:33.45 | mesaGL | learnboy: in line 3 you have Screen 0 "aticonfig-Screen" 0 0. this should be Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 |
| 12:33.55 | ranix | it is impossible for, say, a 386 to use less power than an ARM |
| 12:34.21 | mjt | typical PIII system draws ~20 watts from wall plug. Typical current, most energy efficient one requires about 50W. |
| 12:34.23 | WormFood | ranix, like this system? http://wormfood.net/old_computers/gimix-2.jpg ? |
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| 12:34.36 | mesaGL | learnboy: in other words, you have to point to an existing and correctly named, Screen section. in your case "Screen0" |
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| 12:34.42 | mjt | 50W minimum, when idle |
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| 12:34.47 | WormFood | BTW, those are a pair of 8 inch floppy drives in that picture |
| 12:35.00 | mjt | and >400W at full load, depends on the cpu and graphics and disks |
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| 12:35.26 | ranix | WormFood: I would not know what to do with that! |
| 12:35.52 | WormFood | that computer is from the early 1980s |
| 12:36.24 | WormFood | 64k of ram, 6809 CPU...rather sweet system back in the day....it is capable of running a system that is similar to Linux |
| 12:36.33 | learnboy | ok |
| 12:36.52 | ranix | that is pretty wild, but I guarantee it is hard on the electricity |
| 12:37.10 | ranix | compared to a sbc |
| 12:37.15 | WormFood | no doubt...just look at that inefficient linear power supply |
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| 12:37.47 | learnboy | got it |
| 12:37.54 | learnboy | thx |
| 12:38.05 | WormFood | those 2 boards, hanging on wires in the 5 1/4 inch bays, are voltage adapters...it has a 7805 and 7812 regulator IC on them....IIRC, the power supply outputs +8 and +15 or +18 volts....something really crazy |
| 12:38.39 | p0g0 | WormFood: sounds like one of the old Stride boxen, running UCSD Pascal. |
| 12:38.53 | ranix | wild |
| 12:38.56 | WormFood | I believe this one ran a version of flex |
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| 12:39.27 | jelly | WormFood: +8 instead of +5 and +15/18 instead od +12? |
| 12:39.32 | WormFood | but it is capable of running OS-9, which is what I used to use...modeled after unix, but stripped down, and written in assembly...it is multi-user, multi-tasking, real-time OS |
| 12:40.24 | ankylose | is it possible to start a X server without graphic card ? |
| 12:40.54 | wols | yes |
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| 12:41.25 | wols | Xvfb for example. there are others afaik |
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| 12:44.39 | WormFood | yeah...really odd eh? |
| 12:45.01 | WormFood | of course, the chips are all +5V, so they have regulators on the boards somewhere |
| 12:45.38 | WormFood | the regulators on those little boards, are for the 5 1/2 inch floppy drives (which were scavenged after the computer died....no attempt to repair it) |
| 12:45.57 | Cope | how do you tell netcat to listen on a specific IP or interface? I've searched the man page and had a google, but can't see an example |
| 12:46.01 | WormFood | most likely it was an easy problem to fix, but it was too old then to be worthwhile to fix....not sure when it died....I saved it from going to the dump...it is a fairly rare machine |
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| 12:48.08 | WormFood | I also have an extremely rare apple 2 clone in my collection, from 1983....I fired it up a few years ago, and it still boots from the original floppy disks. |
| 12:48.59 | WormFood | any idea where the grub config options are stored? I want to remove the "quiet" option, and it always adds it to every kernel....and I can't fuckin' find where it is....searched all through /etc |
| 12:49.41 | WormFood | Cope, nc -l -p port [-options] [hostname] [port] |
| 12:49.43 | wols | WormFood: ls /etc/kernel-* |
| 12:50.03 | ankylose | wols, okay |
| 12:50.07 | wols | grub itself has its options in /boot/grub/menu.lst but IIRC that's not where kernel parameters are kept |
| 12:50.09 | shiro_ | what is the difference between /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- ? |
| 12:50.51 | WormFood | wols, I don't see "quiet" there, and that is the option I want to remove that grub passes to the kernel |
| 12:51.06 | ankylose | yesterday i have installed debian 4 on my 3G ppc imac because 5 installation crash , i have make update to lenny after install |
| 12:51.10 | wols | I was wrong. kopt in menu.lst it is |
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| 12:51.43 | ankylose | now lenny work fine but installation crash it's strange ... |
| 12:51.46 | WormFood | yes, that is where it is passed to the kernel at boot time, but when I make the initrd or install the kernel...or something, it automatically adds that paramater to all my kernels |
| 12:52.11 | wols | WormFood: paste your ä kopt line |
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| 12:52.21 | hegemoOn | hello |
| 12:52.31 | WormFood | where do I find that? |
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| 12:52.58 | wols | where I told you you'd find it above |
| 12:53.13 | jelly | shiro_: the latter is a backup. |
| 12:53.28 | hegemoOn | is there an easy way to change from amd64 x86_64 to x686 x86_32 ? |
| 12:53.35 | hegemoOn | via apt |
| 12:53.51 | hegemoOn | instead of doing the whole reinstall process ? |
| 12:53.56 | wols | no there is not |
| 12:54.00 | wols | reinstall time it is |
| 12:54.04 | jelly | hegemoOn: no, you have to reinstall. But the choice of packages installed can be replicated, /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 12:54.58 | hegemoOn | ok thank you guys :)) |
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| 12:56.23 | WormFood | there is no "kopt" in the /etc/kernel directories |
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| 12:57.06 | learnboy | mesaGL : how can i kown i have successfully installed the driver? |
| 12:57.09 | jelly | WormFood: grub-legacy or grub2? |
| 12:57.10 | WormFood | in fact, I just grepped, and I see no "kopt" for anything in /etc |
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| 12:57.28 | WormFood | I believe grub-legacy....not sure....letme check |
| 12:57.30 | shiro_ | jelly: thank you |
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| 12:58.22 | WormFood | yeah, it is just "grub", so must be legacy, right? |
| 12:58.32 | jelly | you said menu.lst, so it's probably the old one (0.97 or so) |
| 12:58.43 | WormFood | exactly! |
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| 12:58.56 | WormFood | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 12:58.56 | jelly | WormFood: grep '^# kopt' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:59.27 | WormFood | # kopt=root=/dev/sda3 ro |
| 12:59.31 | brbrbr | greet everybody |
| 12:59.40 | WormFood | that is common to all, and it is disabled |
| 12:59.50 | WormFood | it is adding it on each and every kernel line |
| 12:59.54 | jelly | WormFood: it's not disabled. |
| 12:59.56 | WormFood | even after I delete it manually |
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| 13:00.23 | jelly | WormFood: that comment is special, and update-grub uses it to create actual generated entries. |
| 13:00.40 | WormFood | ok, I understand....but still, "quiet" isn't there |
| 13:00.55 | Cope | WormFood: I know the basic syntax; what I want to do is say nc -l -p 3333 --on-this-ip 192.168.20.160 |
| 13:01.06 | Cope | # nc -l -p 3333 192.168.1.160 |
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| 13:01.08 | Cope | nc: cannot use -p and -l |
| 13:01.13 | WormFood | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31 root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet <-- but every kernel line has these options |
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| 13:01.42 | WormFood | Cope, you're thinking of fedora/cent/redhat...this is debian |
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| 13:01.51 | jelly | Cope: man nc, --> -s addr local source address |
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| 13:02.19 | jelly | Cope: depends on which netcat variant you actually have installed, so rtfm in any case |
| 13:02.24 | WormFood | Cope, you want the -l AND -p....but fedora/redhat/cent does not |
| 13:02.44 | WormFood | I prefer the debian variant myself |
| 13:02.55 | Cope | WormFood: good point... i'd completely forgotten that this machine is centos - that'd explain why it's not behaving as expected |
| 13:02.57 | jelly | WormFood: even after update-grub? |
| 13:03.09 | jelly | Cope: don't ask for centos help in here. |
| 13:03.19 | Cope | jelly: I wasn't asking for centos help in here |
| 13:03.24 | vivid | is there a channel for testing release? |
| 13:03.36 | WormFood | ok...any ideas why it does not add the initrd line, when it should? |
| 13:03.36 | flower | is pulseaudio installed by default on Debian lenny? |
| 13:03.46 | Cope | jelly: I have about 30 debian machines, and one centos machine on this network; i just happened to be on the centos one and got confused |
| 13:03.47 | markybob | flower, no |
| 13:04.21 | flower | k |
| 13:04.21 | Cope | jelly: you may assume that as a regular in this channel for a little over 6 years taht I know the rules and ettiquette |
| 13:04.30 | wols | WormFood: ls /etc/kernel* |
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| 13:05.38 | Zvpun | Is there a tool to see the size of subdirs incl its files? |
| 13:06.25 | Meths | man du |
| 13:06.53 | brbrbr | why not second GRUB, btw :-) |
| 13:06.57 | Zvpun | sorry I forgot to mention that I would like to use a graphical program (if possible a gnome tool) instead of du |
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| 13:07.20 | markybob | Zvpun, baobab |
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| 13:07.59 | WormFood | yes jelly, even after update-grub |
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| 13:09.22 | wols | WormFood: what debian version? never saw debian using "quiet" yet |
| 13:09.26 | Hideme | I've noticed my two lenny machines are holding updates back when using aptitude. Been well over a month since an actual update was installed. Any idea what's going on? |
| 13:09.43 | wols | !hold back |
| 13:09.43 | dpkg | picks back up and holds on tight |
| 13:10.13 | wols | *sigh* |
| 13:10.16 | linelevel | Hi all. I have a Debian server which was set to only allow root login. But now I need to ssh in as a non-root account. Someone told me that /etc/nologin might be the problem, so I logged in as root and deleted it as suggested, and it still won't let me login as a non-root user. Can anyone help? |
| 13:10.27 | wols | !tell Hideme about held back |
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| 13:10.47 | wols | is there a non root user defined? |
| 13:10.53 | linelevel | wols: i created one, yes. |
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| 13:11.32 | linelevel | but i don't have physical access to the machine (it's on a server rack halfway across the country), so ssh is all i've got. |
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| 13:11.53 | Hideme | !tell full-upgrade |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | !tell Hideme about selftell |
| 13:12.08 | Hideme | !tell me full-upgrade |
| 13:12.25 | linelevel | wols: i created one using `useradd` as root, and i even re-set the password using `passwd` when it didn't work. |
| 13:12.29 | linelevel | but still no dice |
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| 13:13.08 | Meths | linelevel: tried checking /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 13:13.16 | jelly | linelevel: check /var/log/auth.log for ssh login failures; check that the user has a valid shell and an existing home directory |
| 13:13.22 | linelevel | The reason I need to login as a non-root user is so that I can install the Sun Java SDK. The installer needs to run as `fakeroot` |
| 13:13.40 | linelevel | jelly: home dir exists. i'll check the other stuff right now. |
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| 13:14.12 | jelly | linelevel: are you using sun's installer or some debian wrapper thing? |
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| 13:16.36 | linelevel | jelly, I'm using Sun's .deb file and the java-package package from apt-get. I found several pages online claiming that this is what needs to be done to get JDK running properly on Debian. |
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| 13:17.06 | jelly | linelevel: uh. I think you need either one or ther other, not both. |
| 13:17.21 | jelly | wait what, Sun's deb file? |
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| 13:17.42 | jelly | did you mean Sun's .bin file? |
| 13:18.10 | Hideme | wols Ok, that makes sense. But this was a clean install. There shouldn't be old package dependency's. The held back packages have the same versions beside them or something like 5lenny2 5lenny4. Any thoughts? |
| 13:18.36 | linelevel | jelly, I think they offer both. I could be mistaken. Either way, I've put both on my system, and it's not working yet :/ |
| 13:18.49 | WormFood | wols, it is sid (sorry, I've severely lagged on this server) |
| 13:19.06 | flower | can I set --no-install-recommends in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 13:20.09 | jelly | linelevel: java-package is used to generate packages fromt the .bin installer. If you're not particularly picky about the version, you might install sun-java6-jdk from the non-free repository instead. |
| 13:20.12 | wols | WormFood: didn't your sid "upgrade" you to grub? mine recently did |
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| 13:21.05 | wols | if so, the config is totally different in fubar someway (I think that'S a theme here: udev, X, grub2...) |
| 13:21.05 | WormFood | it IS grub...always has been |
| 13:21.24 | wols | my dist-upgrade upgraded me to grub2. there is no more grub in sid |
| 13:21.27 | jelly | wols: theme? this is normal for sid |
| 13:21.29 | linelevel | jelly, I have "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" in my /etc/apt/sources.list, but it still can't find the sun-java6-jdk package. |
| 13:21.35 | jelly | hm. |
| 13:21.43 | jelly | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:21.44 | judd | jelly: sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 |
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| 13:22.01 | wols | jelly: udev and X configs are both in stable now. and they haven't mellowed since sid imho :) |
| 13:22.14 | flower | how do I set apt-get with --no-install-recommends ? |
| 13:22.14 | wols | and give time, grub2 will end up in squeeze stable |
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| 13:22.35 | linelevel | jelly, it found sun-java5-jdk though |
| 13:22.52 | wols | less /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99recommend |
| 13:22.52 | wols | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 13:22.53 | abrotman | flower: and use aptitude |
| 13:22.53 | wols | that's what I did |
| 13:22.54 | p0g0 | someone mentioned a tool to inform the package system of a hand-installed program, maybe a couple of days back. Can anyone tell me the name, obviously, I've forgotten. |
| 13:23.08 | jelly | linelevel: you seem to be running oldstable, so if you want the debian's package for java6, you'll have to enable backports.org repo for etch |
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| 13:23.43 | jelly | linelevel: I'd try using java-package (make-jpkg or however it's called now) on the fresh .bin file instead, first |
| 13:23.50 | ranix | apt normally does not install recommends |
| 13:24.00 | ranix | only aptitude has that behaviour by default I believe |
| 13:24.09 | linelevel | jelly: I just need the 'ant' builder to work and it runs on java, i don't care about the version if it doesn't. Hmm, do I need to set $JAVA_HOME? Shouldn't apt installer have done that for me? |
| 13:24.20 | wols | p0g0: equivs ? |
| 13:24.29 | wols | ranix: it does. since etch or so |
| 13:24.31 | p0g0 | wols: sounds right. thx |
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| 13:25.05 | wols | dpkg: you are seriously lagged |
| 13:25.05 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 13:25.12 | jelly | linelevel: when sun-java*-jdk is installed, you get java and javac in normal path and working, so _I think_ no need to set JAVA_HOME manually |
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| 13:25.28 | Hideme | !tell hideme about full-upgrade |
| 13:25.45 | wols | !tell hideme about selftell |
| 13:25.50 | ranix | wait is recommends and suggests different |
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| 13:26.15 | jelly | ranix: yes |
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| 13:26.28 | stevem_ | Lo at boot-up on my Linux terminal (no X)... and I'd like irssi to launch on Ctrl+Alt+F1 (is that tty1?) and lynx on Ctrl+Alt+F2 (tty2?)... how can I start up an app on another tty? |
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| 13:27.48 | abrotman | stevem_: man inittab ? |
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| 13:28.19 | stevem_ | abrotman, and I can specify which tty to launch an app on with that? |
| 13:28.27 | Shadur | stevem_: I'd recommend against that as inittab runs things as root by default. |
| 13:28.50 | stevem_ | Shadur, ok... any better method? |
| 13:28.55 | Shadur | ... And, in fact, doesn't seem to have provision for running things as anything other than root. |
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| 13:29.47 | rca_ | hi all |
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| 13:30.28 | rca_ | what could be the reason that in lenny, libmagick9-dev exists, but no libmagick9, and libmagick10 exists, but no libmagick10-dev, hence no one can compile anything that actually links against the binary library? :( |
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| 13:31.41 | frx | i installed a package called bluetooth with another one that it depends on |
| 13:32.00 | stew | rca_: you should be looking for libmagick-dev, not libmagick10-dev |
| 13:32.07 | Hideme | I've noticed my two lenny machines are holding ALL updates back when using aptitude. Been well over a month since an actual update was installed. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 13:32.14 | frx | i can find debian-0 using my phone |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | Shadur: su -c ? |
| 13:32.26 | frx | but sending or paring fails |
| 13:32.33 | abrotman | Hideme: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 13:32.39 | frx | any suggestions |
| 13:32.48 | wols | frx: wrong PIN code? |
| 13:32.55 | rca_ | stew: thanks, but that would steer us towards graphicsmagick instead of imagemagick, and the libraries we're using depend on imagemagick |
| 13:33.07 | rca_ | so does this mean debian is abandoning imagemagick for graphicsmagick? |
| 13:34.02 | frx | i think there isnt any tool to handle pairing or sending files |
| 13:34.52 | Hideme | abrotman: Wonderful... seems to be getting updates now. Do you know the cause for this on a clean install? |
| 13:34.55 | frx | wols : not that kind of problem |
| 13:35.04 | andersg | is there a channel for the upcoming Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 13:35.06 | frx | seems like i need gnome-bluetooth |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | Hideme: man aptitude .. understand the difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | andersg: i believe it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:35.32 | andersg | abrotman, thanks |
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| 13:37.46 | Dantix | hi all, I trying to connect a etch box to a NFS shared folder on windows 2008 server. the mount is succesfull but when I tried to change into the mount folder, received Permission denied. Where can I start to check from? |
| 13:38.00 | stew | rca_: sorry, i might have been confused then. check the build-depends of some package which has a binary depends on libmagick10 |
| 13:38.01 | rca_ | also, if we try graphicsmagick then it removed libmagick9-dev, which includes MagickWand.h, which is needed by our libraries :) |
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| 13:38.43 | WormFood | is anyone else lagged to hell? I'm getting 10 to 20 lines in one second (after a long time of nothing) |
| 13:38.51 | rca_ | stew: hmm, that's an idea |
| 13:39.01 | Sergio` | I'm having problems setting a escape bind for GNU screen, I use Programmer Dvorak and had it set to C-` but it conflicts with C-space of emacs. One has to consider that some binds act like other key binds and that some don't work in X. How can I solve this? To find one that works inside X and outside X equally and that does not conflict with other programs? I tried a few other escape binds too. |
| 13:39.01 | jelly | Hideme: some applications cannot avoid introducing new dependencies for newer versions, even in debian stable. safe-upgrade holds those upgrades where dependencies are changed and there is need to install new packages. |
| 13:39.01 | module000 | WormFood: switch servers |
| 13:39.04 | WormFood | it seems like freenode has been exceptionally laggy lately |
| 13:39.16 | WormFood | module000, I've been doing that....it seems like EVERYTHING is lagged to hell |
| 13:39.18 | rca_ | stew: there seems to be quite a large amount of chaos surrounding graphicsmagick/imagemagick and the header files around those in lenny |
| 13:39.25 | jelly | Hideme: typically clamav is one of those. |
| 13:39.35 | rca_ | our production server still has libmagick9 and libmagick9-dev installed perfectly, for example, but those have morphed and disappeared from current lenny |
| 13:39.38 | linelevel | jelly: It works! Thanks for the help. |
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| 13:40.31 | abrotman | WormFood: aren't you in china? |
| 13:40.37 | WormFood | yes |
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| 13:41.02 | WormFood | but I'm not usually lagged on irc, and I don't get this lagged on other servers |
| 13:41.13 | WormFood | sorry, I gotta go meet someone now, I'll see you all later, thanks for the help |
| 13:41.15 | WormFood | åè§ |
| 13:41.23 | Sergio` | Anyone? The original C-a of screen conflicts with C-a of bash. |
| 13:41.33 | Hideme | jelly but this was everything... haven't had a new update install in months. base-files, apache2 for example. |
| 13:41.42 | rca_ | oh well, we'll hopelessly flap our arms for a while then to see if it helps |
| 13:42.04 | stew | rca_: it looks to me like packages depending on libmagick10 were build against libmagick9-dev |
| 13:42.05 | vi390 | hi, I have an ATMEL chip connected via USB. Unfortunately its not found (neither with lsusb , nor in /dev) even not after triggering udev. Do I have to add something with modprobe, or could it be a malfunction of the device. The Chip is not programmed yet, and I have to load firmware to it. But How can I do it if its not recognized.. has someone experience with ATMELs? |
| 13:42.10 | Hideme | jelly I may have done a safe-upgrade on my old machine. would the proper methond to first do a safe-upgrade, followed by full-upgrade? |
| 13:42.15 | wols | mount feathers on your arms. gives more uplift |
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| 13:43.20 | rca_ | stew: but libmagick9-dev is removed when installing graphicsmagick, whose -dev package contains (some of) the headers we need |
| 13:43.23 | wols | vi390: do you have a programmer for yout atmel chip? |
| 13:43.28 | jelly | Hideme: yes, and making sure you're not doing an accidental upgrade to a newer debian release, and investigating exactly what a full-upgrade would do. |
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| 13:43.37 | rca_ | while others are only in libmagick9-dev, which cannot be installed at the same time because it is replaced when installing graphicsmagick |
| 13:43.41 | GutterPunk | Hi. I have used up all inodes on an ext3 filesystem. What would be a quick way to find out which directory contains all those probably tiny files and directories to see what's eating my inodes? |
| 13:43.51 | vi390 | wols: its said that it should work with dfu-programmer |
| 13:43.57 | isspy | debian,how to install kde4 |
| 13:44.25 | vi390 | wols: but actually in my understanding it should be shown somewhere as a device (correct?) |
| 13:44.29 | jelly | GutterPunk: if your locate database traverses that fs, it might have catched the nasty little files. |
| 13:44.37 | jelly | caught* |
| 13:44.50 | abrotman | vi390: this is a wifi device ? |
| 13:45.14 | Hideme | jelly but as long as the apt source lists the version you want (lenny vs "stable") it would be what one would want, correct? |
| 13:45.52 | vi390 | abrotman: no its not, its a special board which has a USB Port (to programm it) and a LAN connector. nothing else |
| 13:45.52 | jelly | Hideme: yes. |
| 13:46.01 | Hideme | jelly thank you for your time. |
| 13:46.12 | GutterPunk | jelly: but how will that tell me where they are? Actually, I would like to know which directory has the most files in it. This would help me best I think |
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| 13:47.12 | wols | vi390: the dfu programmer is your usb device normally. do you have software for it to transfer data? |
| 13:47.26 | vi390 | wols: yes I have software to transfer to it |
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| 13:47.37 | wols | vi390: I doubt you get many answers here. a place specialized to embedded stuff is better I'd say. maybe a dfu programmer forum |
| 13:47.41 | vi390 | wols: its just that Iam confused that I cant see the device anyhere |
| 13:47.57 | wols | read the docs for the software is my advice |
| 13:48.02 | jelly | GutterPunk: the output of "locate /var" would show all the files under /var (and some more)... you could use some awk or perl to parse that output and display the number of files in each dir instead |
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| 13:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions bitlbee |
| 13:48.44 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 squeeze: 1.2.3-2 sid: 1.2.4-1 |
| 13:48.47 | vi390 | wols: ok, if it would be the case that dfu-programmer will be the USB device, this would make sense. thanks a lot |
| 13:49.05 | jelly | GutterPunk: if that fails, you'll have to use something like find I'm afraid |
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| 13:50.14 | GutterPunk | jelly: it's the root filesystem :) I ran find / and it became clear immediately :). Nagios performance data apparently. |
| 13:50.53 | GutterPunk | Locate / would have done pretty much the same, so good tip! thanks :) |
| 13:51.33 | rgr | mjt: because find needs a degree in bash manual reading for even the simplest usage. |
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| 13:54.45 | mjt | rgr: find /var is almost the same as locate /var |
| 13:54.54 | jelly | rgr: no, because find is slooow |
| 13:55.05 | gothenburg | :-) |
| 13:55.07 | mjt | find /var -name "foo*bar" is quite simple too |
| 13:55.20 | jelly | !using find |
| 13:55.20 | dpkg | hmm... using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 13:55.24 | wols | jelly: but accurate! |
| 13:55.49 | jelly | gives wols a race condition |
| 13:56.49 | abrotman | not likely |
| 13:57.10 | jelly | if they can disregard the context, so can I. |
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| 13:58.22 | jelly | and the context was "What would be a _quick_ [emph. mine] way to find out which directory contains all those [...]" |
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| 14:05.10 | hiffy | hey peeps - I've created user foo that belongs in groups bar and baz. However, all the files foo creates are set to bar; how can I change it so that its group permissions are baz by default? |
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| 14:14.35 | McL0VIN | Good morning folks |
| 14:14.39 | xoz | !ping |
| 14:14.39 | dpkg | Yes, xoz, you are online. |
| 14:14.42 | [Dead]Ninja | mornin |
| 14:15.21 | [Dead]Ninja | what tools can I run to check (for head crashes, other real deal potential hardware problems) my drives with, preferably without rebooting the system/ it sounds like another disk is about to go |
| 14:16.00 | jelly | [Dead]Ninja: smartctl (package smartmontools) can expose some problems |
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| 14:17.13 | [Dead]Ninja | jelly: dunno if you might be able to tell me what this is about... I've heard it before on other drives and then a couple months later they bit it.. system is going fine, and I'll hear a *tick* that sounds like a head crash |
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| 14:18.38 | jelly | I assume you've already googled for problems with that particular vendor and model? |
| 14:19.02 | xoz | [Dead]Ninja: does dmesg tells you something about disk error? |
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| 14:19.58 | wols | [Dead]Ninja: seagate? |
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| 14:20.08 | [Dead]Ninja | xoz: not that I can see... I forgot to turn off a log rule on my iptables so dmesg is full of IPTables crap right now |
| 14:20.11 | trumpen | hiffy, try newgrp baz |
| 14:20.14 | [Dead]Ninja | wols: unsure, I've got 7 disks in there |
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| 14:22.23 | [Dead]Ninja | brb |
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| 14:30.05 | Dantix | hi all, I trying to connect a etch box to a NFS shared folder on windows 2008 server. the mount is succesfull but when I tried to change into the mount folder, received Permission denied. Where can I start to check from? |
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| 14:34.48 | McL0VIN | !md5 |
| 14:34.49 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 14:35.03 | RichiH | hah |
| 14:35.11 | RichiH | !md5 test |
| 14:35.12 | dpkg | 098f6bcd4621d373cade4e832627b4f6 |
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| 14:35.41 | McL0VIN | RichiH: i want to learn about MD5 |
| 14:35.43 | McL0VIN | :) |
| 14:35.43 | RichiH | hmm, i get a different one on cli |
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| 14:35.56 | stew | RichiH: on cli are you including a \n |
| 14:35.58 | stew | ? |
| 14:36.00 | RichiH | McL0VIN: forget md5 and sha1. learn about sha512 or whirlpool |
| 14:36.00 | asg | RichiH: newline? |
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| 14:36.09 | RichiH | stew: ah, no |
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| 14:36.31 | stew | "echo -n test | md5sum" gets me the same |
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| 14:36.39 | setuid | Anyone here good with ldap? #openldap and #ldap are devoid of humans... and my LDAP server refuses to start up with my restored data. |
| 14:36.42 | RichiH | stew: aye |
| 14:36.44 | stew | i'd recommend not getting into the whirlpool with richih |
| 14:36.46 | norgur | !md5 |
| 14:36.47 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 14:36.49 | RichiH | but anyway |
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| 14:36.55 | asg | stew: it could be fun |
| 14:36.58 | setuid | Is LDAP's database arch-dependent? If I delete /var/lib/ldap/*, slapd works. |
| 14:37.16 | RichiH | other than disabling the "quiet" kernel option, what do i need to do to get timestamps in dmesg? |
| 14:38.08 | zareliman | hi, how can I properly configure openGL 32 compatibility libraries, nvidia driver installed them on a non-standard location |
| 14:38.46 | stew | RichiH: CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME maybe? |
| 14:39.51 | jelly | setuid: BerkeleyDB (usually used for backend) should know how to read its stuff, eevn if it is arch-dependent |
| 14:40.02 | setuid | jelly, Nope... it's tossing. |
| 14:40.08 | RichiH | stew: kernel option, i presume |
| 14:40.08 | setuid | # db4.2_recover |
| 14:40.08 | setuid | Segmentation fault |
| 14:40.19 | setuid | If I delete /var/lib/ldap/*, that command works... but of course, has nothing to recover. |
| 14:40.23 | jelly | setuid: that's BDB's fault, not slapds ;-) |
| 14:40.23 | iamleneko | hi guys |
| 14:40.26 | setuid | Something's bit-aligned in the data itself. |
| 14:40.31 | stew | RichiH: yes, are you using a debian kernel? |
| 14:40.40 | jelly | setuid: do you have a slapcat dump somewhere? |
| 14:40.43 | setuid | The data works/worked on the 32-bit Linux server, but restored to the 64-bit, it segs slapd and the recovery tools |
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| 14:40.52 | setuid | jelly, No, that's the problem :( I can't even run slapcat. |
| 14:40.54 | iamleneko | i have an openssl command that worked on a debian etch, but not at all on a debian lenny ... |
| 14:40.58 | RichiH | stew: normally yes, but i built my own to test stuff |
| 14:40.59 | iamleneko | openssl smime -sign -signer my-pubcert.pem -inkey my-prvkey.pem -outform der -nodetach -binary | openssl smime -encrypt -des3 -binary -outform pem paypal_cert_pem.txt |
| 14:41.01 | setuid | I could strings __db.002, but that's not deterministic |
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| 14:41.15 | iamleneko | someone have any idea of what is going wrong ? |
| 14:41.17 | jelly | setuid: dunno, try a newer db4.*_recover |
| 14:41.31 | setuid | I have 4.2_recover... it's something in the data itself |
| 14:41.39 | petemc | iamleneko: does it work up until the pipe ? |
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| 14:41.49 | setuid | jelly, I just can't figure out what, or how to get it back |
| 14:41.52 | iamleneko | no |
| 14:41.58 | jelly | setuid: I'm suggesting to try a different version of db4.x utils. |
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| 14:42.03 | setuid | I'll hjave to install a 32-bit Lenny VM, install LDAP, and try to slapcat it inside there |
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| 14:42.22 | petemc | iamleneko: you might want to volunteer some error messages |
| 14:42.24 | setuid | # db4.6_recover |
| 14:42.24 | setuid | db4.6_recover: Program version 4.6 doesn't match environment version 0.28 |
| 14:42.41 | jelly | setuid: you can install a 32bit chroot. |
| 14:42.59 | setuid | I think I have one, actually.... on the same server. Lemme see if that's functional. |
| 14:43.11 | iamleneko | petemc, you mean ? |
| 14:43.14 | setuid | # ls /var/chroot/ |
| 14:43.14 | setuid | debian_32bit debian_unstable_32bit |
| 14:43.15 | setuid | ha! |
| 14:43.27 | iamleneko | it just freeze not outputing anything |
| 14:43.27 | jelly | Oracle owns BDB... ask them for support :-D |
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| 14:44.23 | setuid | hrm, this is sarge... but it should be able to slapcat the data |
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| 14:44.46 | jelly | if you're very lucky with bdb versions. |
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| 14:45.43 | setuid | hrm |
| 14:45.44 | setuid | Err http://ftp.debian.org sarge/main Packages |
| 14:45.45 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.57 | petemc | you need to use archive.debian.org |
| 14:46.03 | petemc | sarge is no longer supported |
| 14:46.17 | setuid | yep, that works |
| 14:46.21 | setuid | this 32-bit chroot is a bit old |
| 14:46.22 | stew | setuid: you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org ever, but sarge was removed from the main mirrors quite a while ago |
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| 14:46.49 | yaaar | howdy |
| 14:47.04 | jelly | setuid: just make a newer lenny one, debootstrap isn't that hard to use |
| 14:47.05 | setuid | stew, Shows how old my chroot is ;) |
| 14:47.25 | setuid | jelly, Right, I blogged about exactly that, for Palm development, because the compilers were never ported to 64-bit |
| 14:47.32 | setuid | I have to use schroot/chroot to do our nightly builds on the server-side |
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| 14:47.42 | setuid | I'd show you the blog post, but my server is down :( |
| 14:47.52 | setuid | Ok, let me try to boostrap this pupper |
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| 14:53.48 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: Still here? Sorry, i busy talk on #emacs and #haskell. |
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| 14:57.25 | setuid | jelly, Well, that works, but doesn't. It seems the 32-bit Sarge version of ldap is completely incompatible with the 64-bit Lenny version of ldap. I'll make a 32-bit lenny now. Sigh. |
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| 14:58.26 | jelly | setuid: I thought you started doing that 10minutes ago. |
| 14:58.56 | setuid | I was doing both, in parallel |
| 14:59.06 | WormFood | sorry ManateeLazyCat, can't talk now |
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| 14:59.35 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: ok, talk other day. See you. :) |
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| 15:00.01 | setuid | hrm, how do I specif... oh wait |
| 15:00.48 | nsadmin | the answer to that question could already be written somewhere... |
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| 15:02.25 | rafuch0 | hi guys i need some help whit squirremail here |
| 15:02.45 | rafuch0 | the imap server works fine |
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| 15:02.59 | rafuch0 | and users can login fine into squirremail |
| 15:03.06 | setuid | jelly, ok, done. |
| 15:03.09 | setuid | Took under 3 minutes ;) |
| 15:03.26 | rafuch0 | but sending the emails is another story |
| 15:03.31 | petemc | rafuch0: how have you configured squirrelmail to send mail ? |
| 15:03.34 | rafuch0 | it just dont send any email |
| 15:03.53 | petemc | rafuch0: also, quit hitting enter so much, it makes it hard to track what you're saying |
| 15:04.04 | rafuch0 | sorry |
| 15:04.17 | setuid | Not to mention, it wastes all of this wonderful horizontal bandwith over here ---> |
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| 15:05.06 | abrotman | petemc: i got lost at 'hi guys' |
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| 15:05.24 | abrotman | though 'whit' didn't help either :) |
| 15:05.27 | rafuch0 | well i have not configure sendmail i did configure postfix |
| 15:05.27 | petemc | :) |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | rafuch0: can you send mail from the command line? |
| 15:06.06 | setuid | echo "This is a test" | mail -s Testing User@OtherDomain.org |
| 15:06.26 | rafuch0 | testing |
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| 15:07.03 | Kuifje111 | hello all. are there any good download managers for premium Rapidshare users? |
| 15:07.22 | Kuifje111 | or is there a way to install JDownloader on debian? |
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| 15:07.47 | wols | if JDownloader runs on linux, sure |
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| 15:08.17 | wols | rafuch0: check your mail.log then |
| 15:08.19 | rafuch0 | i dont even have the mail command it comes whit exim4 i think |
| 15:08.28 | petemc | mailx |
| 15:08.29 | setuid | bdsmailx |
| 15:08.34 | setuid | er, bsd |
| 15:08.38 | Kuifje111 | yeah, it probably does, but I have no clue on how to install it. |
| 15:09.28 | wols | is JDownloader a java app? if so, install the JRE (it's probably in non-free) and run the app |
| 15:10.03 | Kuifje111 | wols: yes, it is. thanks, will try that. |
| 15:10.51 | abrotman | rafuch0: which version of debian is this also? |
| 15:11.00 | rafuch0 | this is debian lenny |
| 15:11.10 | wols | and wouldn't squirrelmail pull in the mail command? |
| 15:11.11 | rafuch0 | i did a net install |
| 15:11.52 | rafuch0 | installing |
| 15:12.19 | jelly | wols: squirrelmail uses /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:12.26 | petemc | it can use smtp |
| 15:12.31 | jelly | even worse |
| 15:12.46 | petemc | ? |
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| 15:13.27 | jelly | for the pulling-in of /bin/mail |
| 15:13.54 | jelly | indeed, my etch squirrelmail doesn't even Suggest a mta. |
| 15:14.23 | jelly | let alone a /bin/mail provider (don't remember the package name) |
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| 15:20.09 | [Work]Ninja | jelly: what type of testing should I use for finding out what drive the problem is and what the problem is? |
| 15:20.27 | [Work]Ninja | using smartctl |
| 15:22.50 | wols | [Work]Ninja: the long test |
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| 15:24.51 | rafuch0 | i just install mailx and the thing looks like it sends mail but i check my mail box and of course liessss ... |
| 15:25.07 | petemc | rafuch0: check the logs, this is the first thing you should have done |
| 15:25.14 | rafuch0 | i gonna try whit internal mail from root to an user |
| 15:25.20 | [Work]Ninja | what the hell.... wols I did smartctl --test=long /dev/hda and it said 'please let this test run at least 38 minutes, you can stop the test using smartctl -X, and then returned me to the command prompt |
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| 15:28.17 | uplink___ | hello |
| 15:28.20 | abrotman | [Work]Ninja: that's how it works .. it'll run in the background, you get the results later |
| 15:28.45 | jelly | [Work]Ninja: that's good, after 40 minutes "smartctl -a /dev/hda" will have something in the part of its output that shows recently run tests |
| 15:28.48 | [Work]Ninja | ohhhh |
| 15:28.54 | [Work]Ninja | :) |
| 15:29.13 | [Work]Ninja | what a nifty tool... I wish a lot of other tools would do that |
| 15:29.24 | jelly | [Work]Ninja: if you run it right away, it'll probably tell there's a test going on and it's 0% complete |
| 15:29.29 | uplink___ | hey, i need some help with x-forwarding. could someone help me pls? |
| 15:29.43 | abrotman | uplink___: /msg dpkg sshx ? |
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| 15:30.25 | jelly | [Work]Ninja: it's the drive's functionality, the app just told it to run a test, and the drive knows how much approximately the test takes |
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| 15:30.26 | zxd | Hi |
| 15:30.32 | zxd | has anyone heard of any issues with Vista and xen in debian? |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | zxd: could we get more details ? |
| 15:30.56 | [Work]Ninja | jelly: right, but I wish that other tools for various things would actually use a switch like that to gather info and then return you to the prompt, thats super |
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| 15:31.47 | zxd | blue screens, slow performance and cant insatll |
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| 15:31.51 | zxd | abrotman, |
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| 15:32.35 | jelly | [Work]Ninja: you may want to learn about shell's background functionality. And "screen". |
| 15:33.23 | [Work]Ninja | jelly: yeah, I've worked with screen a bit, it'd be nice though if most utils/tools did that return to prompt while processing though |
| 15:33.24 | jpinx-eeepc | is there anywhere I can look up to find out if a specific external 56K modem will work with lenny? |
| 15:33.52 | petemc | jpinx-eeepc: hylafax have a list of modems, if its a serial modem it most likely will |
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| 15:34.05 | abrotman | uplink___: please talk in the channel |
| 15:34.17 | Sergio` | I had mouse keys in GNOME but I changed to ratpoison, how do I get mouse keys again? |
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| 15:34.23 | jpinx-eeepc | petemc: hylafax ? |
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| 15:34.33 | petemc | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
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| 15:34.39 | uplink___ | my problem is that i dont have access on the remote machine, i just have an account and the information that x-forwarding is possible |
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| 15:34.44 | jpinx-eeepc | petemc: hylafax - what's that ? |
| 15:34.51 | aibo | hi, who can tell me why I see /bin/sh for every user (except some added by me) in /etc/passwd? |
| 15:35.01 | aibo | what's about security? |
| 15:35.13 | hounddog | hey, i would like to keep my version as etch but i need a package from lenny... how would i be doing this? |
| 15:35.21 | jelly | aibo: that's their login shell. |
| 15:35.34 | aibo | jelly: I know what's it, but WHY? |
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| 15:35.43 | aibo | www-data user has shell, wtf? |
| 15:35.51 | jelly | aibo: why what? Why it's "/bin/sh"? Why it exists at all? |
| 15:36.06 | aibo | jelly: I am speaking about securit |
| 15:36.12 | aibo | *security |
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| 15:36.42 | jelly | aibo: I imagine it's useful if you want to su to that user. |
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| 15:38.05 | jimmybgood | jelly: that's a reason why some people prefer /bin/false, so you can't su |
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| 15:38.55 | abrotman | jimmybgood: ignoring -s ? |
| 15:39.06 | jelly | jimmybgood: right, unless you remember to rtfm |
| 15:39.13 | aibo | jelly: but it's insecure!! everybody has a shell |
| 15:39.28 | jelly | aibo: why do you think it's insecure/ |
| 15:39.29 | jelly | ? |
| 15:39.36 | abrotman | aibo: even if you set it to /bin/false .. a person that is using su can override that setting |
| 15:39.46 | jelly | aibo: what can www-data do, having a shell? |
| 15:39.49 | aibo | why does we need some selinux, etc, when everybody in system has shell even if he doesn't need it? |
| 15:40.01 | aibo | abrotman: how? |
| 15:40.06 | abrotman | aibo: man su |
| 15:40.21 | themill | aibo: what attack do you prevent by using /bin/false or similar? |
| 15:40.37 | jimmybgood | jelly: that's why you just leave it the way debian does it. I didn't say it was my argument, just _an_argument |
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| 15:40.49 | dexterddit | is there any webased package manager ? |
| 15:40.49 | abrotman | you prevent drivebys perhaps .. but not someone determined |
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| 15:42.12 | aibo | themill: command execution |
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| 15:42.22 | jelly | aibo: if the user is locked out (having a * as the password entry in shadow, like www-data does by default), they can't log in anyway. I don't really see an additional vulnerability here. |
| 15:42.30 | jelly | aibo: can you provide an example? |
| 15:42.55 | jelly | ... where not having a working login shell would help? |
| 15:43.28 | jimmybgood | abrotman: is there a downside to changing /bin/sh to /bin/false for users who don't need a shell? |
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| 15:45.03 | ndee | I have a directory, which I have several symlinks to, is there a way to see, how many symlinks point to that directory? |
| 15:45.32 | aibo | jelly: some hacker can get privs with simple cgi-script and then change privileges, hm, for mysql for example or other service and read it's logs |
| 15:45.58 | themill | aibo: changing the shell doesn't prevent that |
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| 15:46.43 | aibo | themill: I mean if you has no privileges (700 for dir), you do 'su sysuser' and get all privileges on dir |
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| 15:47.02 | aibo | upload kernel exploit and smash kernel |
| 15:47.10 | themill | aibo: changing the shell doesn't prevent that |
| 15:47.21 | aibo | themill: WHY? |
| 15:48.10 | jelly | aibo: assuming the hacker has gained code execution and is running arbitrary code as www-data, what prevents them to execve("/bin/sh", ...)? |
| 15:48.12 | themill | aibo: taking your example, your bad guy just does "su -s /bin/bash sysuser" |
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| 15:56.31 | Kuifje111 | a shell is not necessarily insecure when the user has no password, that is. |
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| 15:57.12 | frx_ | whats the command to restart x.org server? |
| 15:57.41 | surlyjake | "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 15:58.05 | Kuifje111 | or crtl+alt+backspace |
| 15:58.16 | frx_ | :) |
| 15:58.18 | frx_ | ty |
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| 16:03.43 | dkay | !codenamen |
| 16:03.51 | dkay | !codename |
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| 16:04.06 | dkay | !tell Codename |
| 16:04.13 | dkay | how this bot works? |
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| 16:05.28 | jelly | aibo: I mean, rhel has apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/sbin/nologin, but I'm not quite sure if it makes any difference |
| 16:05.49 | danielito | hi. a package wants to download a firmware automatically. i have no internet connection on this machine and downloaded it manually |
| 16:05.56 | aibo | jelly: why? |
| 16:06.02 | danielito | how can I tell dpkg where to find the firmware and NOT to download it? |
| 16:06.15 | jelly | aibo: I guess you can propose a change to the apache people if you figure out a decent attack scenario |
| 16:06.32 | dkay | !dpkg tell Codename |
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| 16:07.15 | themill | dkay: /msg dpkg bot help |
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| 16:09.09 | tvm | hi, is anyone in knoweldge what i have to do to get empathy to cooperate with ICQ protocol? |
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| 16:09.40 | tvm | this reminds me to admit that debian still *rocks* |
| 16:10.04 | Malmis | hm is it able to resize a squashfs "virtual disk" image? |
| 16:10.32 | tvm | three years without linux and computer :^) |
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| 16:15.14 | julianoliver | notes debian.org is timing out from Germany |
| 16:16.03 | stew | julianoliver: which ip address? |
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| 16:16.59 | themill | should be the .at mirror based on the geoip setup, I think |
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| 16:17.45 | julianoliver | stew: in fact i can ping fine klecker.debian.org (194.109.137.218) but HTTP GET from www.debian.org times out. |
| 16:17.57 | jelly | julianoliver: /etc/hosts entries ftw! |
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| 16:18.05 | julianoliver | jelly: ;) |
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| 16:18.37 | dkay | themill, dpkg says he wont talk to me, he has to aks his mother and she said no ! |
| 16:18.41 | jelly | 64 bytes from debian.sil.at (213.129.232.18): icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=7.88 ms |
| 16:18.59 | dkay | :P he said he wont lol |
| 16:19.03 | jelly | julianoliver: worksforme |
| 16:19.08 | abrotman | jimmybgood: i'm just saying that it doesn't prevent people from doing an su to the account, the downside is that they don't have a valid shell |
| 16:19.22 | julianoliver | jelly: and HTTP? |
| 16:19.32 | jelly | julianoliver: yes, that's what I meant |
| 16:19.38 | julianoliver | right |
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| 16:20.17 | jelly | nice, they're probably connected to the same *IX (VIX I think) |
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| 16:20.50 | hounddog | how do i unpack an lzma file? |
| 16:21.21 | julianoliver | jelly: is there a mirror of the mirror list? i can't reach http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist to find a mirror of the netinst cd images. |
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| 16:21.49 | hotwings | anyone running asterix on a debian box by chance? |
| 16:21.58 | jelly | julianoliver: well, does that IP not work for you? |
| 16:22.00 | abrotman | eyeballs hotwings |
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| 16:22.33 | hotwings | dont make me get out my large trout abrotman ;) |
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| 16:22.44 | julianoliver | jelly: no, that times out. |
| 16:22.58 | jelly | julianoliver: ur conexn sux! |
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| 16:23.45 | julianoliver | jelly: perhaps. seemed fine up until this point (it's not mine.) |
| 16:23.54 | jelly | what about 195.20.242.125 or 137.82.84.71 |
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| 16:24.47 | julianoliver | jelly: firefox, at least, immediately claims it cannot connect to these addresses. |
| 16:25.00 | julianoliver | i can ping them fine. ICMP is ok. |
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| 16:25.32 | julianoliver | traceroutes look healthy also. |
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| 16:26.02 | julianoliver | anywho, no matter. i'll just install a netinst of Etch. |
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| 16:27.17 | hotwings | julianoliver - firefox set to use a proxy thats down maybe? |
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| 16:28.10 | jelly | julianoliver: those are all www.debian.org. if you want an actual mirror with cd images, try a ftp.CC.debian.org or http.CC.debian.org (CC being your favorite country code like de or at or whatnot) |
| 16:29.31 | julianoliver | jelly: great, thanks. i'll hunt for netinst on a local mirror. |
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| 16:31.16 | jelly | or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/ |
| 16:32.04 | jelly | (it doesn't redirect to www.debian.org... for some reason http://cdimage.debian.org/ does) |
| 16:33.28 | julianoliver | jelly: this fails for me also.. |
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| 16:33.45 | julianoliver | jelly: no problem, the .de ftp mirror you posted above works fine. |
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| 16:35.12 | zeier | For a lecture called "Search Engines", I need ~1000 documents containing plain text (no tags or formatting). Where would you get such? I thought about manpages, but they contain formatting tags, the same problem is there with web crawling. |
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| 16:35.31 | jelly | zeier: the gutenberg project? |
| 16:35.56 | zeier | jelly: thanks, I'll have a look there |
| 16:35.57 | jelly | or, rendered man page output |
| 16:36.52 | sway | zeier: you could create 1000 plain text documents |
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| 16:37.41 | sway | put 'em in an ftpd |
| 16:38.13 | jimmybgood | zeier: 1000 monkeys sitting at a terminal? maybe one will write a sonnet. |
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| 16:39.08 | julianoliver | zeier: spam database? |
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| 16:40.21 | uwjesd | My machine just died and refused to boot from HD for some time. How do I check what was broken? |
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| 16:40.44 | [Work]Ninja | cripes, it did it again :| |
| 16:40.53 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: basic trouble shooting. does it boot at all? |
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| 16:41.10 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: is it possible to boot into the BIOS for example? |
| 16:41.11 | julianoliver | zeier: otherwise yes, you could easily write a script (Python or other) that just takes manpages (or even wgets from websites) and strips out the tags. |
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| 16:41.33 | uwjesd | Kuifje111: It works now, I am using it right now. But it did not some minutes ago and for about half an hour. |
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| 16:41.44 | MisterN | is running squeeze a big risk to stability? |
| 16:41.47 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: that is peculiar. |
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| 16:42.11 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: how did you notice it was broken? you shut it down and next time it wouldnt boot anymore? |
| 16:42.25 | uwjesd | Indeed that was what happened |
| 16:42.30 | uwjesd | It died badly though |
| 16:42.52 | themill | dpkg: tell MisterN about moving target |
| 16:43.33 | uwjesd | I was in a game and it froze and when I got to a terminal it froze compleately. I am afraid that maybe next time it won't boot, again. |
| 16:43.49 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: check your CPU temps. |
| 16:44.01 | MisterN | themill: the reason is, i would like to run some software versions which are not available in lenny yet. |
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| 16:44.26 | pickcoder | MisterN: they're not in bpo either? |
| 16:44.33 | MisterN | pickcoder: bpo? |
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| 16:44.40 | pickcoder | !bpo |
| 16:44.40 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 16:44.46 | themill | MisterN: there is no "yet" for lenny -- lenny is stable and won't change. Look for or make a backport: /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:45.32 | uwjesd | Kuifje111: But the problem was with the HD. Sometimes he found it, sometimes not and then after 15 minutes it booted into a working system without grub giving me error 18. |
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| 16:45.39 | gpled | does debian have something like kickstart? or would i use kickstart? |
| 16:45.50 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: I would suggest to check the SMART report then. |
| 16:46.08 | MisterN | themill: thanks. |
| 16:46.10 | ryan_ | could i append /dev/hda1 to /dev/sdd and get a workign parition out of it? |
| 16:46.13 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: It could also be that your power supply is not able to provide sufficient amounts of wattage. |
| 16:46.14 | nsadmin | gpled: what's kickstart? |
| 16:46.21 | themill | !kickstart |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | from memory, kickstart is a utility developed by and distributed with RedHat allowing you to install large numbers of identical linux boxes. The HOWTO homepage is located at http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/. see tasksel See d-i package 'kickseed', or ask me about <fai> |
| 16:46.45 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: I guess either your PSU is dieing or your HDD is. |
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| 16:46.51 | Kuifje111 | dying* |
| 16:47.06 | uwjesd | Kuifje111: How to check that SMART-report? |
| 16:47.10 | gpled | nsadmin: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Installation_Guide/s1-kickstart2-whatis.html |
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| 16:47.34 | clarjon1 | awh, i wanted to play it but it's not fully in backports :P |
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| 16:47.54 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: I do not know how to do that in linux. In windows there are several uttilities to do it, I guess there are too in Linux. |
| 16:48.05 | gpled | !kickseed |
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| 16:49.13 | hounddog | how to unpack lzma files? |
| 16:49.22 | themill | judd info kickseed-common |
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| 16:50.05 | themill | prods judd |
| 16:50.05 | Kuifje111 | uwjesd: I am gone now, will be back later. good luck finding the problem. |
| 16:50.19 | clarjon1 | hounddog: do you have the lzma package installed? |
| 16:51.15 | pickcoder | uwjesd: hddtemp will use S.M.A.R.T. info to report drive temps. there's also smartmontools |
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| 16:54.17 | nsadmin | once smartd is running, how can I see the stats so far? |
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| 16:55.09 | pickcoder | you don't need smartd to be running, just run smartctl |
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| 16:58.20 | oliva | hi there anybody has sid + xorg radeon driver + iceweasel + adobe flash plugin installed? I would like to see if you experience the same crash as me. |
| 16:58.30 | blouf | oliva: |
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| 16:58.50 | nixbox | is there a command for clearing up some space in /var/cache/apt ? if i do it manually would it break something? |
| 16:59.00 | blouf | take care with the update, i also commonly hav bugs because of |
| 16:59.12 | stew | nixbox: aptitude clean or aptitude autoclean |
| 16:59.48 | stew | nixbox: you should always be able to remove any file anywhere under /var/cache without breaking anything, you cannot necessarily remove directories though |
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| 17:00.32 | nixbox | stew, it is giving me an error about no space being left on the device, should i remove some file and try again? |
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| 17:01.10 | pickcoder | nixbox: check your log dir first |
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| 17:01.39 | stew | nixbox: i'd recommend starting with "aptitude autoclean" |
| 17:01.45 | pickcoder | also, if you're tight on space under / get rid of extra kernels |
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| 17:02.52 | lulika | is it possible to make thunar open (view) a script file instead of executing it on double click? |
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| 17:02.58 | nixbox | pickcoder, yeah i removed some old logs, solved the problem |
| 17:03.01 | nixbox | thanks guys |
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| 17:03.31 | oliva | blouf: My firefox crashes when i try to see this video http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/il-rapinatore-in-ginocchio-prega-e-chiede-perdono/38282?video |
| 17:03.38 | oliva | or any other viudeo in that site |
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| 17:03.57 | blouf | oliva: try to |
| 17:04.01 | oliva | blouf: carefull cos it can crash your firefox session |
| 17:04.07 | blouf | don't look videos |
| 17:04.26 | oliva | ok thanks |
| 17:04.30 | clarjon1 | will take a peek after he's done updating a site he's working on >.> |
| 17:04.57 | clarjon1 | ddon't wanna lose these changes lol |
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| 17:05.53 | valdyn | nixbox: you can apt-get clean or rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
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| 17:07.30 | themill | nixbox: check you don't have stuff left in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ as well. |
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| 17:14.17 | FFForever | Morning people |
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| 17:14.33 | FFForever | how come when i run perl scripts i get perl: warning: Setting locale failed |
| 17:14.48 | FFForever | i don't have locale-gen either =( |
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| 17:15.26 | jelly | FFForever: install "locales" package. |
| 17:15.48 | FFForever | thanks |
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| 17:23.23 | Frx | possible to use axel not wget with apt ? |
| 17:23.31 | Frx | downloads are very slow |
| 17:23.56 | stew | Frx: apt doesn't use wget, it uses something built-in, If you want to change that, you are going to have to dig into the c++ |
| 17:24.20 | pickcoder | Frx: try another repos closer to you |
| 17:24.21 | Frx | :```( |
| 17:24.28 | Meths | What makes you think the limiting factor in a download is the download client? |
| 17:24.36 | pickcoder | mirrors.kernel.org is often fast for me |
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| 17:24.57 | Frx | meths, tests i've made |
| 17:25.16 | Frx | axel opens more than 1 connection to the server hosting the file |
| 17:25.28 | pickcoder | Frx: are you sure that aptitude isn't doing multiple downloads? |
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| 17:25.39 | pickcoder | it's hard to tell sometimes |
| 17:25.50 | Frx | what do you mean pickcoder ? |
| 17:26.01 | Frx | its just 1 package |
| 17:26.20 | Frx | libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:26.47 | pickcoder | Frx: I've seen it download depends at the same time in 2 sessions |
| 17:27.01 | pickcoder | not sure about the scenarios |
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| 17:35.31 | nootoyahora | hi guys |
| 17:35.56 | valdyn | using "download accelerators" is clearly not in the interest of the server operator and downloading peers |
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| 17:37.51 | nootoyahora | I have my /usr/share which is about 10 gb, is it normal? my root partiton is 20 Gb and it is full... what?s going on? it is like if something was eating my harddisk... |
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| 17:38.13 | valdyn | nootoyahora: thats ok |
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| 17:38.40 | mhymn | Meths: so why on earth do you think they built download 'accelerators" ? it does affect the download process afaik |
| 17:38.47 | nootoyahora | valdyn, that's ok? but it never grew past 10 or 12 gb, why is ti so large now? |
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| 17:39.13 | valdyn | nootoyahora: how would i know wth you installed? |
| 17:39.23 | valdyn | nootoyahora: this /usr/share/ is 9.2G |
| 17:39.38 | valdyn | nootoyahora: and i can easily get it larger by installing some games |
| 17:40.06 | nootoyahora | valdyn, but the problem is that when each new updating (updating, not installing) my partition grows and grows and grows.. is it normal? I think it isn't, right? |
| 17:40.17 | valdyn | nootoyahora: yes, its normal |
| 17:40.45 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I don't understand why, if I only update programs, why it has to grow so much? |
| 17:40.56 | kampasky | Hi, how do I make a package arch-independent? I must be missing something obvious. :( |
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| 17:41.10 | kampasky | Architecture: any is in debian/control and all work is done in build-indep: in debian/rules |
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| 17:41.15 | valdyn | nootoyahora: do I have to tell you that plenty software gets more features and larger in size with each new release? |
| 17:41.18 | kampasky | but still the package has arch i386 |
| 17:41.32 | kollapse | Hi. Can anyone help me with this strace: http://pastie.org/664936 It complains about missing a library that actually exists. |
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| 17:41.47 | valdyn | nootoyahora: try fslint and remove some stuff you dont need |
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| 17:41.48 | kampasky | (and this all on an amd64 buildhost, even more strangely) |
| 17:42.01 | nbolton | Hi all. I accidentally ran "rm /" as root (braces for cheers!) - luckily I didn't use -r, so the dirs are still in tact. However, when trying to boot, I get "run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory" ... however, after checking the drive from another machine, I can confirm that this file exists. I've replaced the sym links (initrd.img and vmzlinuz) but what am I missing? |
| 17:42.01 | peterrooney | nootoyahora: check contents of /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:42.04 | somiaj | data shoudln't be pooling into /usr/share except if you have a lot of software installed. Though if you update and don't run 'apt-get clean' you will begin to take up a fair amount of space with all the .deb files that apt-get (aptitude, etc) download |
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| 17:42.40 | nootoyahora | valdyn, no, but to be truth, I have the same (more or less) features from 5 yers ago, and my root prtiton groewd in 5 years from 9 to 12 Gb, nd the last year has grown.. well, almost 10 Gb, for the same programs! |
| 17:43.04 | valdyn | nootoyahora: you SURE dont havce the same features if you have the same programs |
| 17:43.07 | reavertm | newbie apt question, I use stable (lenny I suppose) and I'd like to pick only some virtualbox packages from sid, is it straightforward to set up? |
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| 17:43.45 | peterrooney | reavertm: any possibility of merely building from source? |
| 17:43.45 | nootoyahora | peterrooney, I have dodne apt-cache celan it is empty |
| 17:43.51 | reavertm | (hmm, or lenny backports,..) |
| 17:44.03 | reavertm | peterrooney: sure, but I'd like to have it debian way |
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| 17:44.43 | nootoyahora | valdyn, man, when something grows exponentiallly something is going very bad, maybe I'm misdoing something, but really, I don't see no reason to duplicate in just a year |
| 17:44.46 | stew | reavertm: you should not mix binary sid packages with stable. you should use backports: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:44.48 | reavertm | thanks |
| 17:45.16 | valdyn | nootoyahora: stop whining and start looking what is taking your space |
| 17:45.27 | mee | anyone know of a replacement for figlet? |
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| 17:45.44 | Pryon | what's wrong with figlet? |
| 17:45.55 | mhymn | wonders if he can suggest '/msg dpkg ssb' to reavertm |
| 17:46.08 | valdyn | nootoyahora: debian probably doubled in the same timeframe, gnome size might have doubled but certainly grew significantly, most software grew alot in that timeframe, except stuff like the basic gnu tools |
| 17:46.31 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I'm doing that with filelight, and almost a 50% is "tiny files" |
| 17:46.43 | abrotman | deborphan might help |
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| 17:46.49 | reavertm | mhymn: it's so much easier on Gentoo :) |
| 17:46.53 | valdyn | nootoyahora: listing packages by size might be what you want |
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| 17:47.07 | nootoyahora | valdyn, packages? or archives? |
| 17:47.28 | valdyn | nootoyahora: packages |
| 17:47.45 | nootoyahora | valdyn, er... how can I do that? apt.. what? |
| 17:48.00 | valdyn | nootoyahora: i already told you: fslint |
| 17:48.12 | abrotman | !tell nootoyahora about sort by size |
| 17:48.28 | nootoyahora | valdyn, ah, sorry did not read that :) |
| 17:48.32 | mee | Pryon: it's license is nonstandard and it got ruled to be 'non-free', so it's not available by default. I was just wondering if there were any workalikes |
| 17:48.56 | mee | Pryon: other than that, nothing I know of |
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| 17:49.14 | Pryon | ah |
| 17:49.20 | valdyn | judd: info linux-image-2.6 |
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| 17:49.26 | valdyn | hmm |
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| 17:49.37 | Pryon | I was just thinking that figlet probably isn't in wide enough use to have spawned any clones. |
| 17:49.42 | stew | mee: have a loog at toilet |
| 17:49.50 | stew | figlet uses non-free fonts |
| 17:51.01 | jelly | nooooooo |
| 17:51.02 | mee | stew: thanks (but egh, what a name!) |
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| 17:51.41 | jelly | figlet foreva |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | nice typo ... |
| 17:52.16 | jelly | that's where they usually go |
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| 17:53.02 | jelly | toilet Replaces: caca-utils |
| 17:53.19 | valdyn | mee: have you loocked at libaa ? |
| 17:53.30 | Meths | mhymn: to abuse TCP/IP and increase transfer overhead? |
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| 17:54.32 | mhymn | Meths: right, but that's not the point (and we're offtopic) |
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| 17:54.54 | reavertm | mhymn stew thanks |
| 17:54.56 | Meths | hmmm, has nexuiz-data suddenly vastly increase in size? |
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| 17:55.05 | Meths | (sid update) |
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| 17:56.06 | valdyn | Meths: its ~300MB in lenny and in sid, and the versions is about the same too |
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| 17:57.11 | Meths | valdyn: well the update v2.5.2-1 is ~800MB |
| 17:57.36 | mee | toilet is too fancy for me |
| 17:57.41 | valdyn | Meths: ok, that one is not on my source yet |
| 17:57.53 | mee | i don't want color and unicode, I just want a stinky dumb text banner to throw in a mot |
| 17:57.56 | mee | motd* |
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| 17:58.10 | valdyn | Meths: updating.. |
| 17:58.26 | mee | premptive: no banner(1) is not a solution :) |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn | Meths: wow nice |
| 17:59.13 | jelly | dpkg: qotd253 is <mee> toilet is too fancy for me |
| 17:59.14 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 17:59.16 | valdyn | largest package in debian, I guess |
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| 18:00.34 | jelly | mee: install figlet, generate the motd, remove it... vrms won't know a thing |
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| 18:02.11 | abrotman | he could use cowsay! |
| 18:02.34 | clarjon1 | mmmm, cowsay |
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| 18:03.01 | mee | jelly: :) |
| 18:04.02 | abrotman | jelly: you should have included stew in that one |
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| 18:04.45 | stew | wut |
| 18:04.58 | jelly | abrotman: don't like quotes with [...] |
| 18:05.14 | abrotman | jelly: so leave that part out! |
| 18:05.42 | jelly | abrotman: then I have to quote all the unfunny stuff, or lie |
| 18:05.55 | abrotman | lie .. be american |
| 18:06.21 | jelly | but but... that's not how it happened! |
| 18:06.25 | JPT | when running grub-install, it will overwrite the mbr. will it still be possible to use chainloader to boot win vista / win 7? |
| 18:06.36 | JPT | or do i need to backup the bootsector first? |
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| 18:07.01 | jelly | stew: <stew> mee: have a loog at toilet [...] <mee> toilet is too fancy for me |
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| 18:07.45 | jelly | JPT: it is. |
| 18:07.45 | peterrooney | nootoyahora: just had a thought. try dpigs, in the debian-goodies package. |
| 18:07.52 | jelly | er, it will. |
| 18:07.58 | JPT | okay :) |
| 18:08.00 | JPT | thanks ;) |
| 18:08.05 | jelly | heh heh heh. |
| 18:08.07 | JPT | brb, re-installing grub |
| 18:08.12 | nootoyahora | peterrooney, what's dpigs? |
| 18:08.30 | jelly | JPT: if you're using grub2, make sure os-prober is also installed |
| 18:08.30 | peterrooney | nootoyahora: tells which are largest installed packages. |
| 18:08.45 | clarjon1 | ooooh |
| 18:08.55 | clarjon1 | goodies :D |
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| 18:09.11 | JPT | mh.... i think i'll find out |
| 18:09.12 | jelly | !installed by size |
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| 18:09.18 | JPT | as debian is already installed... |
| 18:09.35 | JPT | won't be that hard |
| 18:09.37 | JPT | ;) |
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| 18:10.04 | jelly | ... there _was_ a factoid like that |
| 18:10.09 | jelly | dpkg: you're slow |
| 18:10.09 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 18:10.25 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 18:10.28 | jelly | and bitchy. |
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| 18:10.47 | nootoyahora | peterrooney, my debian box is a testing box, and it has gone thorugh... mmmm 2 debian version updatings... I installed testing.. say 5 years ago, and then updated forever, I?m afraid that my problem are old libs and something like that, but using aptitude I'm not able to discern which packages are old and have some equivalent today, and which are old and have no equivalent |
| 18:10.50 | stew | there is a "sort by size" example in the grep-dctrl manpage |
| 18:10.50 | jelly | !sort by size |
| 18:10.50 | dpkg | hmm... sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package), or also: aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" |
| 18:11.06 | stew | ew |
| 18:11.08 | hark | wow |
| 18:11.26 | valdyn | nootoyahora: you also got told to try "deborphan" |
| 18:11.26 | clarjon1 | o.o |
| 18:11.27 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 18:12.01 | clarjon1 | TrueDD: Howdy |
| 18:12.09 | hark | !ds |
| 18:12.09 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less", or dpigs -n 500 (in the debian-goodies pkg), or "wajig size". |
| 18:12.32 | jelly | hark, there's another one! |
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| 18:12.59 | TrueDD | howdy clarjon1 |
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| 18:13.15 | LONGCAT | What's the repo I need to add to install google chrome? |
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| 18:14.07 | valdyn | LONGCAT: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main |
| 18:14.16 | fluorine | whoaaaaaaa |
| 18:14.19 | nootoyahora | valdyn, and the list of orphaned packages can be erased? |
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| 18:14.34 | McL0VIN | wow, i had my cisco switch in the same lan as my Debian box, i was able to ssh to my switch but not to debian....when i disabled my switch i am now able to login fine to my box |
| 18:14.35 | valdyn | nootoyahora: umm? |
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| 18:14.50 | peterrooney | nootoyahora: yes, can be erased: apt-get --purge remove (list of packages) |
| 18:14.57 | ranix | McL0VIN: ip address conflict? |
| 18:15.07 | valdyn | except that it cannot be erased blindly |
| 18:15.27 | nootoyahora | peterrooney, thanks, let's see if it can recover some free space |
| 18:15.28 | McL0VIN | ranix: no, sw was 192.168.1.102/24 and Debian 192.168.1.108/24 |
| 18:15.32 | nootoyahora | valdyn, not blindly? and how can I "see the lighrt"? |
| 18:15.58 | valdyn | nootoyahora: try and see |
| 18:16.24 | McL0VIN | ranix: i just took 192.168.1.102 :22 off from my linksys router NAT/QoS |
| 18:16.28 | valdyn | nootoyahora: or learn how debian works properly, theres no simple way to understand the relevance of each and every package |
| 18:16.31 | clarjon1 | ooohs and gives google chrome for amd64 a testrun ^_^ |
| 18:16.36 | nootoyahora | valdyn, see what? if I kenew what to see maybe I won't asking here ;D |
| 18:16.37 | Stefen2ne1 | http://www.sydlexia.com/snes100/snes35.htm |
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| 18:17.11 | nootoyahora | valdyn, I can learn what it is written, but I canot learn what it is not writeen |
| 18:17.18 | valdyn | nootoyahora: try and see means that you can remove those packages and you will see breakage when you see it |
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| 18:18.44 | valdyn | nootoyahora: now *I* know that removing *my* orphaned libx264-68 would break *my* custom mplayer |
| 18:19.02 | valdyn | nootoyahora: but i cannot know what you would break by removing your orphaned packages on your system |
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| 18:19.26 | LONGCAT | valdyn: thanks. |
| 18:19.55 | abrotman | Stefen2ne1: did you paste that in the wrong channel ? |
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| 18:20.48 | nootoyahora | valdyn, but wasn't is supossed that orphaned packages are packages not required by any other one? |
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| 18:21.09 | Stefen2ne1 | Oops. Sorry |
| 18:21.14 | valdyn | nootoyahora: my custom mplayer is not from a package |
| 18:21.43 | themill | valdyn: make it so! |
| 18:21.55 | nootoyahora | valdyn, well, I have almost no custom software, I'm talking about and almost pure debian box |
| 18:22.08 | valdyn | nootoyahora: plugins usually are not depended on but may be needed by you |
| 18:22.15 | clarjon1 | oooohhh |
| 18:22.18 | clarjon1 | google crome :D |
| 18:22.21 | clarjon1 | *chrome |
| 18:22.29 | valdyn | nootoyahora: im not sure if any plugins are still erronously packaged in a lib* |
| 18:22.49 | nootoyahora | valdyn, ok,I will try, so I catn remove alost blindly and see what it brokes, right? |
| 18:22.57 | valdyn | nootoyahora: yes |
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| 18:23.22 | nootoyahora | valdyn, thak you, you have been very educative (for me) |
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| 18:24.02 | valdyn | oh, im just gonna annihilate my "custom" mplayer |
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| 18:30.13 | javi | test |
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| 18:31.04 | themill | javi: test failed |
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| 18:31.30 | javi | why themill, seems like it worked ! :) |
| 18:32.01 | javi | I had troubles with my isp, so I had to use a proxy :( |
| 18:32.24 | javi | Do you know any secure proxy where I can send my password without any problem ? |
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| 18:34.13 | McL0VIN | if i have /home/foo how can i add this to my $PATH please |
| 18:34.39 | yang | How can I avoid fsck re-checking on boot - it errors with "fsck superblock is 2hours in the future" |
| 18:35.00 | JPT|Irssi | mh... i remember re-installing by chrooting into the usual system partition and running grub-install... |
| 18:35.15 | JPT|Irssi | but it does not work because /dev is not containing devices in chroot-environment... |
| 18:35.20 | JPT|Irssi | any hints? |
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| 18:35.20 | javi | McL0VIN: PATH=$PATH:/home/foo in .bashrc |
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| 18:35.45 | mee | nootoyahora: 'educational', not 'educative' :) |
| 18:35.54 | javi | Irssi, mounting with bind option /dev ? |
| 18:35.59 | McL0VIN | javi: sorry, i didn;t ask the right question , is there is a way to append it from CLI |
| 18:35.59 | stew | JPT|Irssi: run "mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev" before chrooting |
| 18:36.06 | JPT|Irssi | okay :) |
| 18:36.22 | stew | JPT|Irssi: that was assuming that /chroot was the directory you were chrooting into, adjust accordingly |
| 18:36.43 | McL0VIN | echo "/home/foo" >> $PATH |
| 18:36.55 | McL0VIN | thats not right |
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| 18:37.23 | JPT|Irssi | hah, seems to work... :) |
| 18:37.34 | stew | McL0VIN: "export PATH=$PATH:/home/foo" but that wont be permanant, it will only affect the shell you run that in and its children |
| 18:37.41 | nootoyahora | mee ah, thanks, btw, what's the difference? |
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| 18:38.54 | JPT|Irssi | thanks :) |
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| 18:39.09 | McL0VIN | stew: oh ok so i will have to edit it .bashrc for this to be permanent |
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| 18:39.26 | dondelelcaro | yang: that should just be a warning |
| 18:39.58 | stew | McL0VIN: right |
| 18:40.08 | stew | McL0VIN: or perhaps .bash_profile or .profile |
| 18:40.24 | McL0VIN | stew: javi : thank you so much |
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| 18:41.48 | JPT | mhh.. |
| 18:42.01 | JPT | looks like my /dev is full of stuff... |
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| 18:42.31 | JPT | is there a small command to "clean" /dev "up"? |
| 18:42.50 | ranix | I originally had /dev/hda2 as my swap partition. I am adding a second hard drive, and am leaving space for both /dev/hda2 and /dev/hdb2 to be used as swap |
| 18:42.56 | ranix | how do I represent this in /etc/fstab? |
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| 18:43.00 | mee | nootoyahora: oh, I'm sorry, I think your use was correct. I was just ignorant of that form of the word. |
| 18:43.04 | ranix | the man page is huuuuge |
| 18:43.07 | rafuch0 | question i am doing mutt -f imap://127.0.0.1 is askingme if i want to create Mail directory i say yes and then it says no file or directory error 2 if dont created the same thing happens what cut be hapening here ? |
| 18:43.26 | wols | ranix: mount them both as swap. done |
| 18:43.28 | dondelelcaro | JPT: it's supposed to be full of stuff. |
| 18:43.43 | JPT | mh... |
| 18:43.44 | ranix | wols: so it's fine to just have two swap entries and we're good to rock |
| 18:43.45 | spvensko | can someone please remind me of the R statistical package? |
| 18:43.57 | wols | rafuch0: does your imap server have an account for your user? |
| 18:44.03 | wols | ranix: yes |
| 18:44.04 | JPT | then i broke up hal |
| 18:44.05 | cahoot | JPT: don't load module for stuff you don't want? |
| 18:44.16 | nootoyahora | mee I'm not sure if there were3 any differences, and only was supossing you were right and I was wrong (btw, educational is from the States? or UK?) |
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| 18:44.27 | JPT | lol...nothing about this... i just think that hal is behaving more strange.. |
| 18:44.32 | ranix | thanks bro |
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| 18:44.43 | rafuch0 | wols: i guees it validates systems users right ? |
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| 18:44.58 | wols | rafuch0: depends on the imap server and how you set it up |
| 18:44.59 | rafuch0 | do i have to spoecify wich users ar allowed ? |
| 18:45.18 | rafuch0 | all i dit is aptiyude install courier-imap :P |
| 18:45.39 | rafuch0 | no more configs just so by default... |
| 18:45.47 | wols | courier normally uses system users IIRC. just telnet toport 143 and log in by hand for example |
| 18:45.48 | mee | nootoyahora: Here in the states we use 'educational', yes. I'd never heard 'educative' before |
| 18:45.54 | wols | error 2 is a "file nount found" btw |
| 18:46.28 | rafuch0 | umm wols let me try that |
| 18:46.48 | nootoyahora | mee I think it is more usual in UK and Europe |
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| 18:47.06 | wols | a10 login <username> <password> hopefully works if I remember the rfc right |
| 18:47.11 | wols | nootoyahora: #linguistics ? |
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| 18:47.25 | mee | wols: we're done, calm down |
| 18:47.40 | rafuch0 | well it says conected and stuff |
| 18:47.53 | nootoyahora | wols if something makes me a linguistic remark here I ask about it here, seems logical to me |
| 18:47.56 | wols | what does? what did you do to login? |
| 18:48.16 | tonsofpcs | is there some method of network configuration in lenny that I can use nm-applet for eth1 but have eth0 locked down by config files? Can I attach routes to it as well (need to ensure multicast routing is from this interface) ? |
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| 18:48.28 | PlItS | Hi guys ... how can i change the port where apache listens to i need to use port 80 for smth else? |
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| 18:48.32 | wols | tonsofpcs: edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:49.24 | wols | PlItS: /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 18:52.01 | PlItS | server1:/etc/apache2# /usr/sbin/apache2 -k restart |
| 18:52.01 | PlItS | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} what is this error related to ? |
| 18:52.23 | farr | I am on a shared host with libc2.3.6 but I need to use inotify which started in libc2.4, what can be done? I am in a shared host, I am not adming |
| 18:52.38 | redrain | Hi, I've two lenny servers. One serves MySQL other one is Apache. There are 3000+ TIME_WAIT connections betwen two of them. Is this normal? |
| 18:52.40 | pickcoder | the user name in the server config is not a valid host user |
| 18:53.04 | wols | PlItS: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart or use apache2ctl |
| 18:53.36 | madd_ | good eveneing, can anyone guess why i can have any kind of amd64-kernel in lenny, but no xen, although the packages are on the specified mirror? |
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| 18:53.40 | wols | farr: set up a chroot or compile your app statically |
| 18:54.00 | pickcoder | yeah, what wols said |
| 18:54.03 | wols | madd_: error message? |
| 18:54.26 | pistache | madd_: did you try changing mirror ? |
| 18:54.30 | farr | wols: if I set up a chroot, can I then require any app use my chroot |
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| 18:54.48 | tonsofpcs | wols: doing that, thanks, but is there a way to disable nm-applet for that interface but leave it enabled for another? |
| 18:55.11 | madd_ | wols: pistache : i browsed the mirror, the packages are there. no obvious errors |
| 18:55.14 | wols | tonsofpcs: not really sure... never use/like nm-applet myself |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | redrain: rdns issue perhaps ? |
| 18:55.25 | pickcoder | redrain: for what port? |
| 18:55.29 | wols | madd_: if apt can't install something there is an error |
| 18:55.35 | tonsofpcs | yea, i suppose i'll just kill it and manually change the other if |
| 18:55.36 | tonsofpcs | thanks |
| 18:55.37 | pistache | madd_: then what happend ? |
| 18:56.04 | redrain | abrotman, Could you give me an idea how can I find out? |
| 18:56.07 | madd_ | wols: pistache : apt just doesn't list these packages |
| 18:56.27 | madd_ | wols: pistache : so i cannot even try to install via apt |
| 18:56.34 | abrotman | redrain: put the IP/hostname of each machine in the other's /etc/hosts |
| 18:56.39 | pistache | madd_: apt-get update, and check your sources.list |
| 18:56.48 | redrain | pickcoder, It's mysql port, 3306 |
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| 18:57.06 | FFForever | would anyone know where i can get a deb for znc 0.076 and znc extras? |
| 18:57.21 | FFForever | i don't want to waste space installing compiling libs on my limited vps :\ |
| 18:57.48 | redrain | abrotman, These connections from Apache to MySQL. The server that Apache installed only uses IP to connect MySQL server |
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| 18:58.21 | madd_ | pistache: i even added contrib/non-free, but all new packages are unrelated. now i'm trying french mirrors |
| 18:58.25 | themill | judd versions linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 18:58.26 | judd | themill: linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 lenny-security: 2.6.26-17lenny2 |
| 18:58.48 | mee | redrain: perhaps a problem with connection closing / pooling in your application |
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| 18:59.05 | pistache | madd_: your problem is not one |
| 18:59.16 | pistache | madd_: did you try apt-get update ? what does it say ? any errors ? |
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| 19:00.14 | abrotman | redrain: and what? |
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| 19:00.26 | abrotman | redrain: you asked .. i gave you a possibility .. can't hurt to try |
| 19:00.28 | madd_ | pistache: it has just complaint about not finding some volatile mirrors, thats all. |
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| 19:00.47 | pistache | madd_: paste your sources.list |
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| 19:01.01 | pistache | madd_: whats the name of the package you try to apt-get ? |
| 19:01.15 | redrain | abrotman, Thank you so much. I didn't mean to offend. I just wanted to give you my situation clearly |
| 19:01.33 | madd_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:01.33 | madd_ | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 19:01.33 | madd_ | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 19:01.33 | madd_ | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 19:01.55 | abrotman | redrain: just something to try .. only takes a moment |
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| 19:04.25 | redrain | abrotman, Thanks again. But what I was trying to say is there is no hostname used anywhere in my scripts. Also MySQL configured as skip-dns. Anyway, I'll try what you suggested. |
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| 19:04.54 | simonrvn | should have said 'pastebin' ... |
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| 19:06.15 | ranix | !tell madd -about pastebin |
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| 19:08.28 | simonrvn | probably thinks a) still in the channel b) s/he can't come back |
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| 19:09.25 | dojo | if i print a large pdf, the job gets lost. never reaches the printer, even though the printer shows up as processing. |
| 19:09.34 | dojo | short pdfs or files in general work fine |
| 19:09.46 | dojo | sound like a printer driver issue? |
| 19:10.18 | sway | huh. |
| 19:10.30 | dojo | ya its puzzling |
| 19:10.38 | dojo | no error messages |
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| 19:10.57 | sway | doesn't cupsd have some kind of caching function written in? |
| 19:11.04 | ranix | What is /etc/mtab for? Why does mount need to write a file to know what's mounted? |
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| 19:11.23 | dojo | i believe cupsd caches, yes |
| 19:11.25 | ranix | I would have thought something like that table would be generated on request in like /proc/ or something |
| 19:12.04 | sway | dojo: thank you. i wonder if that has anything to do with the large pdf's failing to print? |
| 19:12.29 | dojo | hm. sure sounds like a possible problem |
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| 19:12.54 | dojo | be back, gonna run and see if this round worked |
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| 19:15.59 | dojo | bummer |
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| 19:16.39 | JordiGH | Is it likely to run into code that compiles in GNU/Linux but doesn't compile in GNU/kFreeBSD or vice versa? |
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| 19:18.31 | ruben23 | hi i have setup nfs on a server and client, im able to mount and view the server directory i share in my client problem is when i reboot i got this error and the mount directory is gone..------>http://pastebin.com/m447cd3e6 |
| 19:18.47 | ruben23 | any idea on the error |
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| 19:20.19 | dojo | sounds like you are missing nfsd and mountd entries in /etc/rpc |
| 19:20.22 | simonrvn | ranix: because /proc/mounts is broken and /etc/mtab is pretty legacy shit |
| 19:20.36 | pll` | How do I tell apt/debconf to "just take the default answer" when upgrading a package and it detects a changed config file? |
| 19:20.42 | simonrvn | ranix: there's -n option to mount to not write to mtab |
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| 19:21.34 | ruben23 | dojo: how do i corrrect it..? |
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| 19:22.10 | lenny | hola como estan |
| 19:22.21 | JordiGH | !give lenny es |
| 19:22.21 | dpkg | gives lenny es |
| 19:22.21 | lafrance | gives lenny a tuna. Still in the can! *BONK* That will leave a mark |
| 19:22.29 | ranix | ah, ok |
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| 19:22.31 | ranix | thanks simonrvn |
| 19:22.35 | ranix | I was wondering about that |
| 19:23.20 | JordiGH | !tell lenny about es |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | clarjon1: your irc client sucks? |
| 19:23.20 | wols_ | JordiGH: anything that reads /proc for example? |
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| 19:23.20 | clarjon1 | o.o |
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| 19:23.21 | themill | seems lafrance also needs to fix his client |
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| 19:23.59 | JordiGH | Or her. |
| 19:24.06 | JordiGH | That looks like a feminine nick. |
| 19:24.08 | lafrance | ? |
| 19:24.29 | pistache | it does not JordiGH |
| 19:24.46 | pistache | france as a country is feminine in french |
| 19:25.16 | JordiGH | pistache: twajs |
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| 19:25.39 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 19:26.26 | pistache | JordiGH: ? |
| 19:26.55 | JordiGH | pistache: lol? |
| 19:27.00 | JordiGH | !wtf twajs |
| 19:27.02 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what twajs means... |
| 19:27.09 | pistache | me neither |
| 19:27.12 | JordiGH | The wtf database needs a serious update. |
| 19:27.20 | pistache | okay found, sorry :) |
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| 19:30.27 | PlItS | how so i install internet time sync ndtp or smth like that |
| 19:31.02 | abrotman | PlItS: aptitude install ntp |
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| 19:36.10 | fmr | hi, abrotman |
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| 19:36.23 | abrotman | runs |
| 19:36.34 | themill | chases after abrotman and drags him back |
| 19:36.36 | jpinx-eeepc | trips abrotman up |
| 19:36.38 | fmr | abrotman: openal bug resolved by using the git repository |
| 19:36.53 | Xenguy | yells Wait abrotman, we have beer and everything! |
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| 19:37.17 | abrotman | jebus .. i feel loved |
| 19:37.31 | Xenguy | !beer abrotman |
| 19:37.32 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Yuengling Lager for abrotman |
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| 19:37.37 | abrotman | yay!! |
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| 19:38.11 | ruben23 | hi i have setup nfs on a server and client, im able to mount and view the server directory i share in my client problem is when i reboot i got this error and the mount directory is gone..------>http://pastebin.com/m447cd3e6 |
| 19:38.49 | fmr | abrotman: you see, it was not my code :) bye |
| 19:38.55 | fmr | ++ |
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| 19:39.22 | abrotman | your code uses a shoddy library! |
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| 19:41.02 | PlItS | Another doumb question for today guys and i am done :P |
| 19:41.05 | PlItS | trying to uninstall apache2 from the server i did apt-get purge apache2 and also aptitude ~c purge apache was uninstalled but when i trye to acces the website i still can and after deleting /var/www/ i get a 404 error page how can i completly uninstall apache2 ? |
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| 19:42.17 | maximi89 | hi guys, how can i set the "super keys" when they are not working? |
| 19:42.46 | simonrvn | PlItS: try purge apache2 and the rest of the associated packages... better yet use the ui and find all the installed/configs remain apache packages and purge them. |
| 19:43.05 | Snadder | Anyone know if whats fastest between nfs and sshfs? |
| 19:43.24 | madd_ | oops, i did not notice i was kicked for pasting in the wrong channel, sorry ... |
| 19:43.38 | PlItS | simonrvn: its a remote vps no access to UI |
| 19:43.42 | Xenguy | PlItS: do you need the 'remove' keyword also ? |
| 19:43.59 | simonrvn | madd_: not the wrong channel - that fact you pasted more than a couple of lines |
| 19:44.24 | simonrvn | PlItS: um, it's a text-based ui dude |
| 19:44.26 | madd_ | simonrvn: i meant window, not channel |
| 19:44.38 | madd_ | Snadder: is security important? |
| 19:44.43 | simonrvn | madd_: heh, oops |
| 19:44.50 | Snadder | madd_, no. |
| 19:44.55 | Snadder | madd_, its on a local network |
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| 19:45.19 | simonrvn | nsf has less overhead, but even on a low-powered box sshfs isn't noticable |
| 19:45.24 | simonrvn | nfs* |
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| 19:45.29 | thomas | huhu |
| 19:45.41 | thomas | i try to compile slapd (a old source code) |
| 19:45.43 | simonrvn | if you don't have a key set up, sshfs is going to be annoying |
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| 19:45.46 | thomas | and when i try make then: |
| 19:45.46 | thomas | config.c:61: error: conflicting types for 'getline' |
| 19:45.46 | thomas | /usr/include/bits/stdio.h:117: error: previous definition of 'getline' was here |
| 19:45.46 | thomas | make[2]: *** [config.o] Error 1 |
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| 19:45.56 | thomas | sorry. any ideas why? |
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| 19:46.07 | simonrvn | no. |
| 19:46.11 | simonrvn | !pastebin |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 19:46.13 | alexander6 | alguna mujer |
| 19:46.19 | Snadder | simonrvn, you mean an ssh rsa key, so you can log in without password? |
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| 19:46.44 | alexander6 | gola |
| 19:46.47 | alexander6 | hola |
| 19:46.49 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:46.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:46.54 | Kuifje111 | hola. |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | please don't |
| 19:47.09 | Kuifje111 | haha, ok. |
| 19:47.14 | PlItS | simonrvn: sorry to bother again how can i access the ui |
| 19:47.16 | esteeven_ | hello |
| 19:47.17 | Kuifje111 | im not even spanish |
| 19:47.18 | alexander6 | alguna mujer q hable español |
| 19:47.22 | Snadder | simonrvn, madd_ I'm having performance problems with nfs, and need to debug the problem. |
| 19:47.30 | themill | alexander6: /join #debian-es |
| 19:47.34 | simonrvn | PlItS: `aptitude' (no quotes) |
| 19:47.48 | Snadder | simonrvn, madd_ will sshfs be able to max out a 1gbit line? |
| 19:47.50 | simonrvn | Snadder: rpcdebug --help |
| 19:47.51 | alexander6 | no entiendo |
| 19:47.55 | Kuifje111 | !es |
| 19:47.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:48.05 | abrotman | alexander6: /join #debian-es .. type that in your IRC client |
| 19:48.10 | Hydroxide | I notice he's also asking for a woman who speaks spanish, so probably not actually seeking debian help |
| 19:48.17 | Kuifje111 | ha |
| 19:48.25 | esteeven_ | i am using squeeze : the keyboard shortcuts from system fails to open. not sure what to do |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | Hydroxide: or a woman looking for help in spanish ? |
| 19:48.31 | _2 | i vaguely recall setting something to a "more secure" setting, related to "mc = midnight commander" when i first installed etch. it seems to affect superuser only. i.e. root can't issue commands from within mc. anyone know what the setting is or where to find it ? |
| 19:48.52 | alexander6 | hola |
| 19:48.53 | niklaswe | any ide about this problem ? http://niklas.allow.se/error.txt |
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| 19:49.04 | Hydroxide | alexander6: ir al canal #debian-es |
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| 19:49.13 | madd_ | Snadder: why shouldn't it? |
| 19:49.14 | Kuifje111 | alexander6: Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 19:49.16 | Hydroxide | alexander6: no hablar espanõl aquà |
| 19:49.20 | maximi89 | alexander6, métete en #debian-es |
| 19:49.26 | madd_ | Snadder: especally without compression |
| 19:49.31 | Hydroxide | hrm, I put the accent on the wrong letter :) |
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| 19:49.44 | abrotman | Hydroxide: you get kudos for even trying :) |
| 19:49.53 | simonrvn | no kidding, heh |
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| 19:50.07 | Snadder | madd_, Do you know how to mount a dir with sshfs without compression? |
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| 19:50.13 | Xenguy | detests accents/diacritics... |
| 19:50.14 | Hydroxide | cheers for compose keys |
| 19:50.16 | abrotman | though i think you conjugated hablar poorly too :) |
| 19:50.17 | _2 | anyone ? |
| 19:50.33 | madd_ | Snadder: thats a ssh setting |
| 19:50.35 | Hydroxide | abrotman: I meant the infinitive - often used for general instructions in both spanish and french |
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| 19:50.45 | abrotman | _2: tried to dpkg-reconfigure mc ? or clear the ~/.mc or whatever it is ? |
| 19:50.51 | abrotman | Hydroxide: show off ... |
| 19:51.02 | Hydroxide | :P |
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| 19:51.21 | _2 | abrotman looking but i dont think that's where it is |
| 19:51.22 | busbus | hi there |
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| 19:51.44 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: i like my compose key too |
| 19:51.49 | madd_ | Snadder: did you have performance problems *with* compression? |
| 19:52.17 | Snadder | madd_, I havent tested yet.. I only have performance problems with nfs |
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| 19:52.46 | busbus | i have something i dont understand here.. ppp_async needed the module crc_ccitt_table, so i compiled and loaded this, but ppp_async now reports 'no symbol version for crc_ccitt_table', although the module is loaded |
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| 19:52.55 | _2 | abrotman even with -plow there are no questions for that |
| 19:53.20 | abrotman | _2: might not be there anymore .. |
| 19:53.23 | madd_ | Snadder: i wouldn'T switch off compresssion if cpu cycles are not top priorirty |
| 19:53.30 | simonrvn | i don't speak spanish, but french, but i think that should have been habla - my 2 stupid cents |
| 19:53.34 | busbus | do i have to build it into the kernel and not as a module? |
| 19:53.52 | madd_ | Snadder: but in general: with -o you can pass ssh options |
| 19:53.54 | _2 | abrotman i thought it was something in the system install/config process not the app maybe pam something,er,other |
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| 19:54.04 | madd_ | Snadder: and it works in fstab, too |
| 19:54.14 | _2 | shrugs |
| 19:54.23 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: at this point let's either finish the discussion in /msg or drop it (either is fine), given how it's now quite off-topic |
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| 19:54.40 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: let's drop it :) |
| 19:54.43 | Hydroxide | k :) |
| 19:55.18 | madd_ | btw: my problem is not solved yet, but the cause seems to be: package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
| 19:55.32 | madd_ | with amd64 kernel on a 64 bit cpu .oO# |
| 19:55.54 | _2 | uname -r |
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| 19:57.12 | madd_ | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 19:57.21 | simonrvn | busbus: you sure it was a) the correct gcc b) the same source c) i don't think the module/built-in thing matters - i have a kernel here that has ppp stuff built, and i don't see it (it's a 2.6.31.1) |
| 19:57.56 | hark | madd_: you can have an i386 userspace with that kernel |
| 19:58.17 | simonrvn | busbus: i don't see it referring to crc_ccitt_table (i hand built it, lemme check the config) |
| 19:58.33 | busbus | i have 2.6.31.3 and did for sure not change gcc , source, the only thing is that i compiled the module afterwards usin 'make M=lib/' |
| 19:58.40 | hark | madd_: dpkg-architecture |
| 19:58.40 | busbus | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 19:58.53 | eoliva | I've installed debian and the system is all right...only the sound that does not work...I found that /proc/asound/cards has 3 devices... pcsp, intel and the audio of my integrated webcam... |
| 19:58.55 | simonrvn | busbus: CONFIG_CRC_CCITT=y |
| 19:59.09 | eoliva | But I have no alsa packets installed |
| 19:59.15 | busbus | simonrvn: no =M |
| 19:59.20 | madd_ | hark: strike |
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| 19:59.27 | busbus | simonrvn: shall i change to Y? |
| 19:59.32 | simonrvn | busbus: ah yeh, don't do that, if you're adding a module, it doesn't do deps properly otherwise |
| 19:59.34 | hark | eoliva: if it's lenny, run alsaconf |
| 19:59.45 | simonrvn | busbus: sec |
| 19:59.46 | eoliva | hark, is squeeze |
| 19:59.53 | madd_ | hark: but i do not understand completely |
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| 20:00.21 | maximi89 | nobody knows about specials buttons, super keys, multimedia buttons? |
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| 20:00.35 | maximi89 | how to set the buttons |
| 20:00.43 | simonrvn | busbus: it's ok to do a sub-dir make to see if it builds, but don't do that if you're bulding something to install |
| 20:01.07 | busbus | ok, so i recompile the whole thing , so that the module is built the regular way. thx, learned something new =) |
| 20:01.12 | busbus | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 20:01.20 | hark | eoliva: what's the card# for the intel? |
| 20:01.31 | eoliva | hark, 1 |
| 20:01.47 | simonrvn | busbus: mine seems to have been forced to be built-in |
| 20:01.53 | simonrvn | busbus: i get a {*} |
| 20:02.05 | busbus | mine is forced but i can choose builtin or module |
| 20:02.19 | simonrvn | busbus: you used to be able to do that in 2.4 IIRC, but that changed with 2.6 |
| 20:02.24 | hark | eoliva: check the alsa wiki, it tells you how to deal with multiple soundcards or setting the default one |
| 20:02.38 | simonrvn | menuconfig isn't giving me the option |
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| 20:03.28 | simonrvn | busbus: so yeh i'd build it in, to be safe, and make sure you run that make from the top level =) |
| 20:03.37 | simonrvn | GTG |
| 20:03.49 | ranix | cya |
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| 20:04.14 | busbus | i recompile the whole thing with make-kpkg and try it, we'll see what it brings. thanx so far =) |
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| 20:07.54 | Anti-T_ | hello |
| 20:08.21 | do0ob | hi |
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| 20:09.19 | Anti-T_ | i install debian testing and by default effect graphic are activate |
| 20:09.33 | Anti-T_ | but with i810 that freeze |
| 20:09.56 | Anti-T_ | anyone have a idea for disable effects ? |
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| 20:11.02 | esteeven_ | can anyone tell me which file contains the switch desktop keyboard settings in Gnome? I have done a minimal install of Debian and the Gnomw |
| 20:11.18 | esteeven_ | keyboards settings doesn't work |
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| 20:12.08 | maximi89 | esteeven_, gnome-keyboard-properties |
| 20:12.26 | maximi89 | that could help you |
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| 20:15.15 | esteeven_ | maximi89: tried that but not able to edit shortcut commands from there |
| 20:15.34 | esteeven_ | maximi89, but thanks |
| 20:15.43 | esteeven_ | maximi89, :) |
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| 20:17.02 | smacnay | anyone have suggestions for backing up files from a networked Win computer to a usb drive on a linux machine? |
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| 20:17.53 | jpinx-eeepc | smacnay: rsync ? |
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| 20:18.15 | designs703 | anyone know of a way to set up a DynDNS-style service using standard unix utils? |
| 20:18.20 | smacnay | rsync run from the linux box? Over samba? |
| 20:18.21 | designs703 | (on debian) |
| 20:18.56 | dondelelcaro | designs703: get the ip addresses, write to a zonefile, update serials, and reload bind. [Or other options] |
| 20:19.17 | jpinx-eeepc | likes the added "(on debian)" to pretend it's on-topic |
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| 20:20.06 | designs703 | dondelelcaro, assuming I'm not running my own nameservers directly...I'd like to proxy the DHCP'd office with a server with a static IP |
| 20:20.09 | maximi89 | esteeven_, do you check distribution option on gnome-keyboards-properties? |
| 20:20.37 | designs703 | dondelelcaro, so I'd provide it as a CNAME |
| 20:21.15 | jpinx-eeepc | designs703: ot - but there are free dyndns services available |
| 20:21.20 | MrVamp | hello all |
| 20:21.24 | MrVamp | good day |
| 20:21.46 | dondelelcaro | designs703: if you're not running your own nameservers, you need to use someone's service which is |
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| 20:22.19 | designs703 | dondelelcaro, that's not true. I'm trying to do what DynDNS does but do it right. are you saying that they create a dns record for every user? |
| 20:22.40 | designs703 | dondelelcaro, I assumed they had another method for proxying (or that there was one available) |
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| 20:23.28 | cob_ | hey guys, I'm having trouble with apt |
| 20:23.38 | designs703 | cob_, call the landlord |
| 20:23.42 | designs703 | badum |
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| 20:24.51 | MrVamp | hey has someone installed rancid to debian? |
| 20:25.08 | Sergio` | The punk band? |
| 20:25.14 | MrVamp | haahha no man |
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| 20:25.26 | MrVamp | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/429 |
| 20:25.35 | helo | Recursive Ancilliary Networked Command Interpretation Daemon |
| 20:25.36 | MrVamp | its for backing up switches |
| 20:25.45 | helo | oh, /that/ rancid |
| 20:25.51 | MrVamp | yes |
| 20:25.55 | Sergio` | Just kidding, there's actually a punk band with that name. |
| 20:26.05 | MrVamp | i know that Sergio hahaha |
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| 20:26.52 | MrVamp | i run # ./configure -prefix=/home/rancid -localstatedir=/home/rancid/var/rancid |
| 20:26.58 | MrVamp | and got error :S |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:27.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:27.14 | MrVamp | don t know if someone could help, and if someone has tried it? |
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| 20:27.49 | smacnay | Would the easiest way to restore a backup to a Win computer is to have the backup device (usb drive) formatted to some Win-friendly format? Then I could simply plug it into the Win machine, if necessary, and copy files out? |
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| 20:29.38 | Kuifje111 | are there any good download managers for rapidshare premium users? |
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| 20:30.40 | esteeven_ | maximi89: thanks but needed to add keybindings in gconf > apps > metacity |
| 20:30.44 | niklaswe | any ide about this problem http://niklas.allow.se/error.txt |
| 20:30.50 | Snadder | Does nfs use udp or tcp? |
| 20:31.10 | esteeven_ | maximi89: have a good evening |
| 20:31.31 | sway | udp is send and pray |
| 20:32.24 | Pryon | Snadder: if /tec/services is anything to go by, both. |
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| 20:32.30 | Pryon | s/tec/etc/ |
| 20:33.09 | Snadder | Pryon, Ok. But I guess I dont want to pray. so i'll go with tcp |
| 20:33.58 | sway | udp is lighter though |
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| 20:34.47 | Pryon | I imagine it's a choice between the known overhead of TCP and the unknown overhead of nfsd having to keep track of the order of packets, missed packets, etc. |
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| 20:35.20 | sway | sounds like the difference between six and a half a dozen if you ask me |
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| 20:36.08 | Pryon | indeed. |
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| 20:36.23 | Pryon | Although on a LAN, you might get slightly better performance from UDP |
| 20:36.37 | Pryon | I doubt you could measure it |
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| 20:37.00 | Pryon | I think I trust the network stack more than I trust nfsd |
| 20:37.18 | sway | i think i do too |
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| 20:39.58 | d__finn | some how it appears I've partially lost my virtualbox install when doing a apt-get -u dist-upgrade on squeeze |
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| 20:40.21 | d__finn | i no longer have the entries in my gnome menus or the symlink that allowed me to type virtualbox at the command prompt |
| 20:40.35 | d__finn | but it looks like all the virtualbox-ose packages are still installed |
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| 20:42.29 | d__finn | looks like maybe I'm missing virtualbox-ose-qt? |
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| 20:45.47 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 20:45.49 | DelphiWorld | please: |
| 20:45.58 | DelphiWorld | why i get lot internet speed if i use debian only? |
| 20:46.13 | DelphiWorld | and i get speed internet connection with other OS? |
| 20:46.16 | DelphiWorld | like CentOs |
| 20:46.20 | DelphiWorld | how to speed it up plz |
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| 20:46.58 | krisfremen | are you sure it's not firefox that the network cables are good, DelphiWorld? |
| 20:47.03 | krisfremen | oh krap |
| 20:47.12 | krisfremen | are you sure that the network cables are good, DelphiWorld? |
| 20:47.45 | krisfremen | and define "lot internet speed" |
| 20:47.52 | DelphiWorld | krisfremen: is good, why in windows i get 130KBPS and in debian only 15KBPS? |
| 20:48.09 | pickcoder | DelphiWorld: based on what benchmark |
| 20:48.19 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: what you mean? |
| 20:48.23 | krisfremen | DelphiWorld: are you downloading the same file? |
| 20:48.33 | DelphiWorld | krisfremen: yes |
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| 20:48.35 | pickcoder | DelphiWorld: where did 130KBPS and 15KBPS come from |
| 20:49.02 | krisfremen | because it may be that the server is overloaded |
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| 20:49.06 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: from same server, files.freeswitch.org |
| 20:49.12 | pickcoder | that's not what I asked |
| 20:49.34 | DelphiWorld | krisfremen: no only in same server, other sources also including the debian repo |
| 20:49.35 | pickcoder | what reported those numbers |
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| 20:50.10 | DelphiWorld | actualy my download get stoped using wget! |
| 20:50.20 | mee | can lvm LVs sum to exactly the size of their containing VG? Is the allocation table or whatever metadata stored in the VG or between the PV and the VG? |
| 20:50.36 | DelphiWorld | download automatikaly resumed, 13kbps |
| 20:50.57 | madd_ | DelphiWorld: is that reproducable? |
| 20:51.14 | krisfremen | DelphiWorld: freeswitch may be pointing you to other servers.. it's not just one server, they're load balanced |
| 20:51.23 | DelphiWorld | madd_: what you are talking about? download? |
| 20:51.37 | DelphiWorld | krisfremen: no only fs! |
| 20:51.38 | madd_ | DelphiWorld: yes, the wget interruption |
| 20:51.54 | DelphiWorld | maddno is not stoped, just some delay |
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| 20:52.24 | pickcoder | make sure you're looking at it closely. Kbps and KBps are not the same |
| 20:52.28 | mee | hmm, it'd appear all metadata is outside the vg |
| 20:52.47 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: i'm pretty sur |
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| 20:52.54 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: including other download also |
| 20:53.33 | pickcoder | I'd start by swapping the LAN cables between the two machines |
| 20:53.53 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: is connected to router... ADSL |
| 20:54.57 | ruben23 | hi if i have serverA and ServerB then i want to copy files form my serverA to server B where should i installed the FTP server to do it..? |
| 20:55.07 | pickcoder | DelphiWorld: do you have both O/S on the same machine? |
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| 20:55.39 | krisfremen | ruben23: i would suggest using rsync |
| 20:55.45 | ankylose | ruben23, have you got a floppy drive on both server ? |
| 20:55.56 | ankylose | :P |
| 20:56.00 | krisfremen | ruben23: the only thing you need for rsync is ssh |
| 20:56.02 | arand | Is dhclient supposedto request a new lease after current one has ended? Or how would I force it into doing that? |
| 20:56.02 | krisfremen | lol ankylose |
| 20:56.04 | ruben23 | krisfremen: if ill used FTP what it would be..? |
| 20:56.15 | pickcoder | you don't need ssh for rsync |
| 20:56.22 | pickcoder | but you can use it to encrypt the transfers |
| 20:56.26 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: no |
| 20:56.30 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: in difere... |
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| 20:56.35 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: i tryed it in same... |
| 20:56.37 | krisfremen | pickcoder: i know, but i prefer ssh for long distance transfers |
| 20:56.49 | pickcoder | DelphiWorld: then try swapping the cables |
| 20:56.59 | pickcoder | if you still get the same speed difference then try replacing the nic |
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| 20:57.17 | madd_ | arand: yes |
| 20:57.27 | madd_ | arand: as far as i know |
| 20:57.35 | pickcoder | when you abosolutely rule out hardware issues, then start asking about Debian, which more than likely won't be an issue unless you've screwed with the tcp settings |
| 20:57.39 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: ;) |
| 20:57.52 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: i tryed in same machine debian and CentOs |
| 20:58.03 | DelphiWorld | pickcoder: CentOs download 130KBPS! |
| 20:58.08 | pickcoder | and? |
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| 20:58.30 | krisfremen | DelphiWorld: are you sure it's kBps and not kbps? |
| 20:58.37 | themill | DelphiWorld: there's no such unit as KBPS. Do you mean kB/s or kb/s (there's a factor of 8 difference) |
| 20:58.39 | pickcoder | I already asked that |
| 20:58.44 | rmrf | DelphiWorld: I never think that download speed depends on distro |
| 20:58.55 | themill | pickcoder: your kbps vs kBps comment sounds quite likely. Esp since there's 130/15 = 8ish. |
| 20:59.14 | krisfremen | rmrf: it doesn't |
| 20:59.21 | DelphiWorld | i mean KB/S |
| 20:59.37 | krisfremen | is it kilobytes or kilobits?! |
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| 21:00.08 | pickcoder | it can be O/S specific if jumbo frames have been configured or window scaling/mtu settings have been changed |
| 21:00.13 | arand | madd_: Ok, I have a case where the lease time is 300s (nothing I can do about it) and after running "dhclient interface" and waiting 300s the connection is dropped, I am able to keep it up either by using "watch -n 250 dhclient..." or simply taking the current lease ip an assigning it as static, thia on a wireless network connected using wpa_supplicant. |
| 21:00.42 | pickcoder | which will probably kill the transfer speeds in general on the machine, not just the 'net |
| 21:01.05 | DelphiWorld | i use only Server console no desktop |
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| 21:02.56 | sway | if i'm running in memory, can i generate an md5sum of a file that's larger in size than the available memory? |
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| 21:03.24 | madd_ | arand: what i do not know: when the lease time ends, it takes a little time to request a new lease, maybe some connections are kind of unstable during that time? |
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| 21:04.15 | madd_ | arand: i know the pain of bad wireless reception combined with many networks on the same channel |
| 21:05.23 | DelphiWorld | thx all |
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| 21:06.40 | arand | madd_: hmm, possibly, from what I've seen no matter how long I wait dhclient won't get a new lease... The quality shouldn't really be an issue I don't think, it's an acess point and the connection strength seems fairly high... |
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| 21:07.26 | brenden_ | fail |
| 21:07.30 | brenden_ | -.- |
| 21:07.33 | pickcoder | arand: check the AP for current licenses and see if it's confused |
| 21:07.46 | helo | driver's license? |
| 21:08.14 | arand | pickcoder: AP? licences? |
| 21:08.21 | pickcoder | access point |
| 21:08.25 | pickcoder | dhcp license? |
| 21:08.29 | stew | lease? |
| 21:08.29 | themill | lease... |
| 21:08.41 | pickcoder | w/e |
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| 21:10.25 | jamesbond-test | hi |
| 21:11.01 | jamesbond-test | I have two problems with my debian installation and could use a little bit of help :) |
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| 21:11.43 | jamesbond-test | 1) on the command line, every output is in German, but I want it to be in English |
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| 21:11.52 | JPT | export LANG=C |
| 21:12.02 | jamesbond-test | I know that has something to do with some locale variables... |
| 21:12.10 | wols_ | and set LANG in /etc/environment |
| 21:12.13 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.19 | pickcoder | !fail |
| 21:12.34 | pickcoder | then reboot... |
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| 21:13.05 | arand | pickcoder: hmm, how would I go about doing that (getting leases information from AP)? |
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| 21:13.17 | pickcoder | arand: no clue.. does it not have a web interface? |
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| 21:13.35 | jamesbond-test | pickcoder: I thought I have to change /etc/profile? |
| 21:13.49 | jamesbond-test | pickcoder: that contains export LANG="de_DE.utf8" |
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| 21:14.23 | jamesbond-test | pickcoder: can't I just change that or is it the wrong thing to do? |
| 21:14.24 | wols_ | jamesbond-test: not by default in debian. did you put it there? |
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| 21:14.37 | wols_ | jamesbond-test: it's not supposed to be in there |
| 21:14.46 | jamesbond-test | wols_: it is a server installation that was done by my ISP |
| 21:15.03 | pickcoder | it's probably in the skel too |
| 21:15.30 | jamesbond-test | pickcoder: which skel file? |
| 21:15.55 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.57 | arand | pickcoder: Oh, maybe AP is not the right term, it's a wireless network at a university, has no webpage afaik (configured using securew2 on win by default), is bradcasted and needs a cacert + wpa-pap to connect to using gnu/linux... |
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| 21:16.44 | pickcoder | arand: so a dhcp server on the network is being used |
| 21:17.01 | NiveusLuna | What's the proper way to report on-join spam to the ops? :/ |
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| 21:17.10 | abrotman | NiveusLuna: thank you |
| 21:17.34 | pickcoder | NiveusLuna: you can always tell #freenode or just mention it as you did |
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| 21:17.49 | NiveusLuna | blinks. "Okay." |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | NiveusLuna: the offender was k-lined |
| 21:18.27 | arand | pickcoder: yes there definitely is one present, and since I've been told that the securew2 thing only handles authentication for win, I'd assume that there must be a dhcp involved... |
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| 21:19.12 | arand | ..in the standard intended functionality |
| 21:19.19 | kripz | and i apt-get update/upgrade, is my kernel suppose to update? im running what seems to be an old one, 2.6.25 or something |
| 21:19.46 | themill | kripz: what release? lenny? |
| 21:19.48 | jamesbond-test | OK, problem 1) solved by editing /etc/profile (without reboot) |
| 21:19.57 | kripz | themill, yes |
| 21:20.56 | themill | kripz: should be 2.6.26. "aptitude install linux-image-686" (or -amd64 if that's what you use) |
| 21:21.20 | kripz | themill, why manually, shouldnt it grab the latest one when i upgrade |
| 21:22.27 | jamesbond-test | my second problem: when I use screen inside a terminal, the different virtual windows do not use /bin/bash, they use /bin/sh instead. - How can I change that? |
| 21:22.34 | themill | kripz: that package is the way to get automatic upgrades of the kernel. If you isntalled a "versioned" package like linux-image-2.6.25 then no, it's not going to upgrade that for you. |
| 21:23.00 | kripz | i see |
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| 21:24.04 | hochron | how can I make aptitude recognize glibc if I screwed up and tried to compile it from source? |
| 21:24.12 | hochron | just 'make uninstall' wont do the trick |
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| 21:24.43 | abrotman | why .. seriously .. why would you do that? |
| 21:24.45 | helo | hochron: bad move :/ |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | hochron: reinstall libc6 |
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| 21:25.01 | helo | it probably installed in /usr/local/...? |
| 21:25.01 | abrotman | hochron: aptitude reinstall libc6 |
| 21:25.12 | dkay | hello, debian, can someone tell me why my vps add all the time one of my other hosts to hosts.deny? ive allowed this ip in iptables, in hosts.allow but all the time this ip gets added to hosts.deny by denyhosts |
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| 21:25.17 | hochron | ok will try abrotman |
| 21:25.24 | dkay | i havent any idea how to stop |
| 21:25.31 | themill | dkay: do you have the "denyhosts" package installed? |
| 21:25.33 | abrotman | hochron: why wold you do that? |
| 21:25.36 | dkay | yes |
| 21:25.41 | helo | i was wondering if you were serious heh |
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| 21:26.45 | helo | waits for: < abrotman> hochron: really... WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING? |
| 21:26.50 | abrotman | i thought about it |
| 21:27.00 | dkay | there was something but subnet explained |
| 21:27.02 | themill | dkay: that bans IPs when they fail to authenticate -- presumably this machine is failing to authenticate often |
| 21:27.02 | somiaj | there is a way you can make a psuedo package to tell apt/dpkg you have installed software from some other source. (not a good idea for libc6 though) |
| 21:27.05 | dkay | but i have no idea |
| 21:27.24 | hochron | I was trying to get uae to work, and am not really good at linux :( |
| 21:27.36 | dkay | themill, i never did a false password or anything else |
| 21:28.04 | hochron | trying to satisfy a dependency issue |
| 21:28.06 | dkay | from the first time i get this message: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:28.16 | dkay | got* |
| 21:28.19 | jamesbond-test | my second problem: when I use screen inside a terminal, the different virtual windows do not use /bin/bash, they use /bin/sh instead. - How can I change that? |
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| 21:29.38 | jamesbond-test | oh, I just recognized: this has nothing to do with xcreen |
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| 21:30.45 | dkay | themill, ive deleted the entry in hosts.deny! i was logging in for one time and did a logout and tried to log in a second time but no luck |
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| 21:32.13 | dkay | how to tell denyhosts he has to grant access for my hosts? i also have added this ip to hosts.deny but without succedd Oo |
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| 21:32.25 | dkay | argh lol |
| 21:32.30 | dkay | to hosts.allow |
| 21:32.45 | somiaj | jamesbond-test: is that what you have set in /etc/passwd for your user? |
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| 21:33.19 | jamesbond-test | somiaj: problem solved, I changed the default shell for my user with usermod -s /bin/bash myuser |
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| 21:35.49 | monkeyman | i'm having problems with my ntfs external drive and when i try to write something to it such as creating a directory, i get this error message: rror creating directory: Operation not permitted |
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| 21:36.14 | abrotman | monkeyman: do you know Tweeter? |
| 21:36.22 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 21:36.23 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 21:36.35 | abrotman | !tell monkeyman about user accessible ntfs |
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| 21:38.22 | warinthepocket | debian with barrelfish kernel, go! |
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| 21:40.15 | monkeyman | abrotman: yeah, i do know about tweeter; i'm able to mount the drive automatically when the system starts and could read from it but not write anything on it; i even changed the permission of the drive using the following command: sudo chmod 777 /media/Seagate |
| 21:40.25 | abrotman | tweeter and the monkeyman!! |
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| 21:40.59 | abrotman | monkeyman: are you mounting with ntfs or ntfs3g ? |
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| 21:41.16 | monkeyman | abrotman: ntfs3g |
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| 21:42.45 | abrotman | monkeyman: did you see what the bot told you ? |
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| 21:45.02 | monkeyman | abrotman: yeah, i did see what the bot told me but i have no problem mounting the drive |
| 21:45.36 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS possibly |
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| 21:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | monkeyman: Can you paste the line from your fstab? (Just one) |
| 21:48.56 | monkeyman | abrotman: thanks for the link |
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| 21:51.58 | monkeyman | jhutchins_lt: it's: /dev/sda4/media/Seagatentfsauto,user,exec,rw,async0 0 |
| 21:52.11 | abrotman | You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.) |
| 21:52.17 | abrotman | said the bot ... |
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| 21:54.39 | monkeyman | abrotman: i've gotta re-edit my fstab. thanks for your help, i'll see if it works |
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| 21:55.32 | factor | Does anyone know where I can find a precompiled version of pitfdll for debian 64 |
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| 21:55.57 | factor | debian repo seems to have a 32 bit version but no 64 bit one exist |
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| 21:59.15 | cusco | hi |
| 21:59.26 | do0ob | Hi |
| 21:59.36 | do0ob | is it possible to view the dmesg from the previous boot |
| 21:59.43 | cusco | I never got arround set... how would I replace several ocurrences of "<?" by "<?php" |
| 21:59.55 | do0ob | i had hdd errors on the secondary drive and i'm trying to determine if its a motherboard issue or a hdd issue |
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| 22:00.19 | krisfremen | cusco: set or sed? |
| 22:01.06 | dkr | cusco: perl -pi -e 's/<\?/<?php/g' file |
| 22:01.07 | cusco | sed |
| 22:01.29 | cusco | ok |
| 22:01.44 | dkr | finds humor in editing php with perl |
| 22:01.49 | yaaar | if i suspend a process with ctrl-z does it still take up memory/cpu/disk io? |
| 22:02.02 | dkr | yaaar: memeory, yes, cpu/disk no |
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| 22:02.13 | yaaar | dkr: cool, thanks |
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| 22:10.24 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 22:10.25 | FFForever2 | can i get the default lenny sources.lst? |
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| 22:11.39 | Friend-96767 | .:::] Ci40 @ Tutti [:::. »BuTT3rF|y sCr|pT«»rEvOLuTiOnZ»v2.6« |
| 22:11.47 | Friend-96767 | ciao |
| 22:11.50 | Friend-96767 | !list |
| 22:11.51 | dpkg | friend-96767: VATTENE VIA |
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| 22:12.36 | FFForever2 | please, some reason i only have one item in my sources.lst |
| 22:13.10 | jamesbond-4711 | I'm still having locale problems: the locale I want to use (en_US.UTF-8) seems not to be installed on my system, at least "locale -a" does not list it :( |
| 22:13.10 | themill | FFForever2: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 22:13.49 | themill | jamesbond-4711: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" should give you the option to generate it |
| 22:14.02 | jamesbond-4711 | additionally, I discovered a file /etc/default/locale which contains "LANG=de_DE.UTF-8" |
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| 22:17.13 | cusco | dkr: and wold perl -pi -e 's/<\?/<?php\n/g' work? |
| 22:17.19 | cusco | so it would add a carriage return? |
| 22:17.59 | dkr | cusco: sure. you might want to use perl -pi.bak otion to create a .bak file of the unmoified version just to play it safe when you are mass editing like that |
| 22:18.00 | FFForever2 | how can i reinstall a package? |
| 22:18.06 | abrotman | FFForever2: man aptitude |
| 22:18.15 | jamesbond-4711 | themill: thx! that solved my problem! |
| 22:18.20 | FFForever2 | abrotman, can i remove and reinstall su? |
| 22:18.25 | themill | jamesbond-4711: no worries! |
| 22:18.27 | abrotman | su? |
| 22:18.35 | FFForever2 | yeah my su is broken :\ |
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| 22:18.39 | abrotman | FFForever2: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:18.39 | cusco | thanks dkr |
| 22:18.41 | abrotman | how did you break su ? |
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| 22:19.10 | FFForever2 | abrotman, if i type su chris then type without waiting a moment it exits for me :( |
| 22:19.48 | abrotman | su - chris ? |
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| 22:20.00 | FFForever2 | http://pastebin.ca/1638642 |
| 22:20.11 | jpinx-eeepc | who's chris? |
| 22:20.18 | FFForever2 | me ;) |
| 22:20.24 | FFForever2 | and using su - chris worked XD |
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| 22:21.11 | abrotman | FFForever2: you're missing "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" |
| 22:21.24 | abrotman | FFForever2: add that line to your sources.list .. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 22:22.57 | jpinx-eeepc | doesn't explain his su weirdness |
| 22:24.33 | FFForever2 | new kernel, rebooting |
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| 22:26.31 | CrazyTB | hey... Can someone please tell me what is "2.6.30-bpo.1" kernel? |
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| 22:27.09 | CrazyTB | I'm a gentoo user, and someone told me that he could make his wi-fi card work in master mode using that kernel. |
| 22:27.11 | dkr | bpo means it was backported, is my guess |
| 22:27.18 | dkr | !backport |
| 22:27.18 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:28.00 | dkr | support for newer hardware seems a sensible reason to use a newer kernel |
| 22:28.12 | ksnp | if i want to disable a service fromloading at startup can i simply rename it in /etc/init.d/servicename to /etc/init.d/servicename.disabled ? |
| 22:28.27 | dkr | !update-rc.d |
| 22:28.28 | dpkg | [update-rc.d] used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead. |
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| 22:30.48 | abrotman | dkr: you can use the 'tell' feature |
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| 22:31.13 | dkr | abrotman: I would if I had already memorized the factoid, but I'd never invoked those before. :) |
| 22:31.14 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no, it doesn't .. but he seems to have forgotten i guess |
| 22:31.32 | Sergio` | ksnp: you could use rcconf, it's easy. |
| 22:31.42 | ksnp | dkr - i was aware of thte update-rc.d but want the simplest approach which doesn't creat eany problem |
| 22:31.50 | abrotman | ksnp: update-rc.d |
| 22:32.00 | ksnp | would renaming work ? |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | yes, technically .. |
| 22:32.08 | dkr | ksnp: using update-rc.d won't leave broken symlinks lying around |
| 22:32.09 | ksnp | except for any error messages on bootup ? |
| 22:32.20 | abrotman | wait .. do'nt rename the init.d file |
| 22:32.21 | ksnp | its only temporarily disabling |
| 22:32.29 | abrotman | rename the run level symlink |
| 22:32.48 | abrotman | this is why oyu use update-rc.d :) |
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| 22:32.49 | ksnp | so if i rename /etc/init.d/servicename to /etc/init.d/servicename.disable ? |
| 22:32.52 | Sergio` | abrotman: rcconf is easier... |
| 22:32.53 | ksnp | that's not going to work ? |
| 22:32.53 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:33.02 | abrotman | ksnp: yes, but it's not the 'right' way |
| 22:33.08 | abrotman | Sergio`: they're both just as easy |
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| 22:33.16 | ksnp | as long as it doesn't create any problem i am fine |
| 22:33.32 | ksnp | don't want to learn about update-rc.d or rrconf unless absolutely needed :) |
| 22:33.45 | abrotman | ksnp: what is the run level file ? |
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| 22:34.03 | abrotman | like /etc/rc2.d/S90mysql or whatever it is |
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| 22:36.50 | ksnp | its just /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:36.56 | ksnp | don't know how to find the run level |
| 22:37.22 | abrotman | cd /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 22:37.33 | abrotman | ls | grep <scriptname> |
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| 22:40.54 | pickcoder | ksnp: sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:40.58 | ksnp | yep it exists |
| 22:41.07 | ksnp | S30 ? |
| 22:41.09 | ksnp | S20 ? |
| 22:41.14 | pickcoder | just uncheck the X in the runlevels for the process and hit escape |
| 22:41.16 | abrotman | ksnp: my point was that you might `mv S30foo _30foo` |
| 22:41.26 | ksnp | ok |
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| 22:41.44 | ksnp | in /etc/rc2.d itself you mean ? |
| 22:41.54 | ksnp | ok |
| 22:42.05 | ksnp | thanks for the help all |
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| 22:43.06 | pickcoder | actually it's "q" not "esc" |
| 22:43.22 | ksnp | ok, thanks |
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| 22:53.38 | philipp__ | Hey there I need some help with autofs. Mounting a smb share does not work and I can't figure out why. http://pastebin.com/d4dae38ad Please help! |
| 22:54.02 | esaym153 | anyone know how to check to see if cron is sending emails? |
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| 22:54.20 | krisfremen | esaym153: send one to yourself? |
| 22:54.26 | esaym153 | not working |
| 22:54.39 | krisfremen | then it's not sending the emails |
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| 22:56.01 | wols_ | esaym153: the mail.log has entries normally |
| 22:56.10 | esaym153 | postfix/sendmail[4348]: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter setgid_group: unknown group name: postdrop |
| 22:56.17 | esaym153 | looks like that is what might be stopping it |
| 22:56.25 | esaym153 | all my other mail from postfix works though |
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| 22:57.44 | benedikt | esaym153: do 'groupadd postdrop". Doesnt seem like the specified group exists. |
| 22:58.12 | CrazyTB | Where can I find the list of patches that debian applies to vanilla kernel (before making the kernel .deb packages) ? |
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| 22:58.50 | benedikt | CrazyTB: in the CHANGELOG probably |
| 22:58.55 | benedikt | thats what its for |
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| 22:59.11 | esaym153 | benedikt: yes it is there |
| 22:59.21 | CrazyTB | benedikt: considering I'm not a debian user, where can I find it? |
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| 23:00.30 | chuck | Is there any way to force remove a package? |
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| 23:00.48 | chuck | I hit ctrl-c during an installation, and now i'm getting this error: |
| 23:00.49 | chuck | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the google-chrome-unstable package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
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| 23:01.31 | benedikt | CrazyTB: Im not sure. But it defenently is in the source or in the .deb for the kernel. Just try googling around |
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| 23:05.11 | jschoolc_ | how do I effect the path when I sudo? |
| 23:05.36 | esaym153 | benedikt: /etc/group was not world readable ! |
| 23:05.43 | jschoolc_ | root and normal users both have path set in /etc/profile that isn't reflected when I sudo |
| 23:05.52 | benedikt | esaym153: nice one. |
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| 23:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | jschoolc_: You should check the documentation for sudo. I use su - instead. |
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| 23:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | jschoolc_: Using the - with su gives you the path and environment for the target account (ie root). |
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| 23:08.40 | Codenomics | hello |
| 23:09.07 | talula | when i shutdown, i notice the following message, "Deconfiguring network interfaces... There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid"... can i ignore this or can i fix it? it doesn't appear to be causing any noticable problem. |
| 23:10.07 | jschoolc_ | jhutchins_lt: Set to a sane value if the secure_path sudoers option is set. (is what the docs say), not very helpful |
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| 23:12.08 | base3 | wow, apt-get is so retarded it breaks if you run it from a pwd with a space in the path |
| 23:12.11 | base3 | nice one debian |
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| 23:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | talula: Don't worry about it, it's just a redundant check. |
| 23:13.10 | sway | a space? |
| 23:13.28 | talula | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks |
| 23:13.48 | markybob | base3, that's not true |
| 23:13.56 | base3 | sway: yes, one like this -> |
| 23:13.58 | sway | stupid phone doesn't work when there's a space in the number |
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| 23:14.06 | sway | nice one phone |
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| 23:14.47 | base3 | markybob: unfortunately it is |
| 23:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | Why would you have a space in your path? |
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| 23:15.11 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: why wouldn't I? |
| 23:15.28 | sway | base3: do you feed your cd tray sandwiches? |
| 23:15.30 | markybob | base3, no, it's not. |
| 23:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I would be running it as root, so I'd be in /root, but if I were using sudo I'd be in /home/username. I suppose /home/user name is possible. |
| 23:15.49 | base3 | sway: most phone numbers have a space in them, and i've never known such a number not to work on a phone |
| 23:16.05 | sway | base3: i must've been ripped off then. my phone doesn't have a spacebar |
| 23:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | base3: How did you enter the space on the phone? |
| 23:16.07 | markybob | jhutchins_lt, doesnt matter. still works |
| 23:16.10 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: so you never leave your home directory? |
| 23:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | base3: Not very often. I use explicit paths. |
| 23:16.27 | markybob | base3, dude, it works. stop trolling |
| 23:16.47 | jhutchins_lt | base3: There may have been some other reason for the failure. |
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| 23:17.14 | base3 | i am not trolling |
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| 23:18.21 | base3 | shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or direc |
| 23:18.21 | base3 | tory |
| 23:18.21 | base3 | job-working-directory: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such fi |
| 23:18.21 | base3 | le or directory |
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| 23:18.41 | omry | just installed a fresh squeeze, and the sound cards are loaded in the wrong order (pc speaker is the default card). how do I change it so that the default is another sound card? |
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| 23:18.59 | dondelelcaro | base3: so file a bug with an example, or show us the complete output using a paste site |
| 23:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | omry: Cool! |
| 23:19.40 | markybob | odds are you're in a pwd that has been deleted since |
| 23:19.55 | base3 | http://paste.debian.net/49735/ |
| 23:20.07 | cyberwalk_rj-br | anyone know a way to test a cluster with LAM-MPI ? |
| 23:20.08 | base3 | i suppose i made the above errors up? |
| 23:20.10 | omry | jhutchins_lt, what's so cool about it? |
| 23:20.23 | dondelelcaro | base3: uh... we kind of need to see the whole invocation |
| 23:20.24 | markybob | base3, it has nothing to do with a space in the pwd's name |
| 23:20.40 | dondelelcaro | base3: under strace -ff if possible too |
| 23:20.42 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 23:20.45 | base3 | markybob: so what is your theory? |
| 23:20.52 | markybob | base3, i already told you |
| 23:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | omry: Getting the speaker working in the first place. |
| 23:21.18 | base3 | markybob: no you didnt |
| 23:21.28 | base3 | markybob: you claimed that it did work, when it didnt |
| 23:21.32 | dondelelcaro | base3: 16:19:40 <markybob> odds are you're in a pwd that has been deleted since |
| 23:21.40 | sway | sandwiches! |
| 23:21.42 | base3 | markybob: thats very different from explaining why it didnt work |
| 23:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | base3: Um, about that chip on your shoulder. Not very useful in troubleshooting. |
| 23:21.50 | base3 | dondelelcaro: i was kicked from the channel then |
| 23:22.10 | dondelelcaro | base3: you were kicked for pasting it here, but what you've pasted in a paste site doesn't show the entire invocation. |
| 23:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | base3: Also, have you tried it from a different directory (that _doesn't_ have a space in the path)? |
| 23:23.43 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: well when i said it didnt work, about 4 people tacitly agreed with me, in that they said that 'i had no right having a space in the path' |
| 23:23.43 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: yes. it worked |
| 23:23.43 | dondelelcaro | base3: if you think that's the problem, provide us with the full output, ideally running under strace -ff, and file appropriate bugs |
| 23:23.53 | base3 | the fact that several people said, well a phone doesnt work if you have a space in it, i took as acknowledgement that you are NOT MEANT to have a space in the path |
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| 23:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | ok, so definitely something to do with the path, which you haven't specified yet. Have you checked to make sure the directory actually still exists? Does it have any other special characters in the path? |
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| 23:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | base3: It's just an unusual case, that's all. |
| 23:24.26 | jschoolc_ | says I should be able to do something like: Defaults env_reset, secure_path="foo/bar;/baz" |
| 23:24.30 | omry | jhutchins_lt, working is a relative term. when I try to play something it just beeps something which is unrelated to what I am playing. |
| 23:24.33 | jschoolc_ | doesn't like secure_path though |
| 23:24.37 | base3 | yes, it also has an & in it |
| 23:24.51 | dondelelcaro | base3: it certainly shouldn't matter, but it wouldn't be the first time that someone wrote code that didn't handle directories properly |
| 23:25.09 | sway | crustless finger sandwiches |
| 23:25.16 | dondelelcaro | (it wouldn't surprise me either if the problem was in postinst script or similar, not actually apt-get) |
| 23:25.44 | base3 | oh, so after 10 minutes of giving me abuse for daring to complain, now someone recognises that a) it might not work b) it might be better if it did work, rather than berate people for having spaces in their path |
| 23:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | omry: Could be something else generating the beeps. Having the "system bell" directed to the PC speaker instead of the Audio Card is a bit of elegance. It could also be that the BIOS is beeping for some reason. Temperature? |
| 23:26.09 | sway | programming is bigger than pedantry |
| 23:26.19 | jhutchins_lt | base3: You here to fix it or just to complain? |
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| 23:26.31 | merrily | i just tried with pwd of /home/foo/test &me/ ...apt-get update and apt-get install worked fine |
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| 23:26.41 | jhutchins_lt | base3: I just tried it from a directory with a space and it worked. |
| 23:26.46 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: you seem to have an underscore in your name, maybe that's why you're unempliyed and you can't get laid? |
| 23:26.54 | dondelelcaro | base3: if you want my assistance, providing the information I ask for is necessary. Complaining about what other people are doing isn't helpful. |
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| 23:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | base3: From a sub-dir of that dir as well. |
| 23:27.21 | karsten | ops++. taunting_ops-- |
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| 23:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
| 23:29.29 | dondelelcaro | base3: attacking other people who are trying to help you isn't acceptable here either. take a deep breath, get the information I've asked for, and you'll be unsilenced in a few more minutes. |
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| 23:30.32 | Gratz474 | anyone got any suggestions for better scrolling ? |
| 23:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | So multiple testers have confirmed that their version of apt-get works fine with a space in the path. |
| 23:30.36 | Gratz474 | like some websites? |
| 23:30.40 | Gratz474 | i am using nvidia |
| 23:30.50 | liable | blame flash |
| 23:30.50 | jhutchins_lt | Gratz474: Browser? |
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| 23:31.03 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it probably depends on what operation you're running and/or what you're installing |
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| 23:31.31 | kjs | dumb question this, but iv never done it before... can I comment a line out in crontab with a # ? |
| 23:31.32 | Gratz474 | jhutchins_lt, firefox |
| 23:31.36 | dondelelcaro | kjs: yes |
| 23:31.40 | kjs | ta, |
| 23:31.41 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Possibly, although I doubt it would be the target package. SOmeone said that they did try an install though. |
| 23:32.01 | kjs | dondelelcaro: the comment goes before the magic cron numbers, right? |
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| 23:32.04 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: well, a clasic method would be something like FOO=$(pwd); cd $FOO; |
| 23:32.04 | Gratz474 | jhutchins_lt, its not soooo bad right now but could be alot better i think |
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| 23:32.28 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: in a postinst, that has a high likelyhood of failing |
| 23:32.35 | Gratz474 | would there be any difference from using 24 bit color to 16 ? |
| 23:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | Gratz474: There are definitely issues. I hate that I often can't scroll with the keyboard when I go to a new page. |
| 23:32.55 | fchurca | I'm getting "The configuration could not be loaded // You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when i try to change system settings (even from root). Whom should I call for help? |
| 23:33.00 | Gratz474 | jhutchins_lt, i usually can fix it on an intel card using xaa really helps |
| 23:33.08 | merrily | sure would be nice if he gave proper information instead of just bitching away |
| 23:33.09 | Gratz474 | does nvidia use exa? |
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| 23:33.41 | dondelelcaro | merrily: people get frustrated, it's not a big deal. attack the problem, not the person |
| 23:34.13 | theoros | apt-get install doesn't work ????? |
| 23:34.33 | fchurca | me? |
| 23:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: He's getting errors from something, we're not sure what. |
| 23:34.58 | fchurca | when using gnome tools for system configuration |
| 23:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: We've done some generic checks to confirm it's not as simple as initially presented. |
| 23:35.08 | fchurca | changing date/time, managing network, etc |
| 23:35.17 | theoros | someone in #debian-fr told me it was because i had a space somewhere |
| 23:35.27 | theoros | in the name of my home directory or something |
| 23:35.55 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: We've tested that and found that simply having a space in your cwd doesn't break apt-get. |
| 23:36.19 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: dondelelcaro suggested that a script within the .deb could be having problems with it though. |
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| 23:37.21 | theoros | i think i have a virus |
| 23:37.31 | theoros | either that or the kernel is broken |
| 23:37.44 | liable | not unheard of.. |
| 23:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: I doubt either of those. |
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| 23:38.04 | jpinx-eeepc | for the virus - take an aspirin - for the kernel reinstall? |
| 23:38.11 | base3 | theoros: i think its realted to having filenames that were translated from windows |
| 23:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: A possible problem with an installation script in a specific pakage is more likely. |
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| 23:38.42 | fchurca | I'm getting "The configuration could not be loaded // You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when trying to change system settings (date/time, network, etc). Even from root. |
| 23:38.46 | base3 | debian cant have lines longer than 255 letters in the name of the directory and it doenst handle spaces and commas too good either |
| 23:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: Um, did you mention any details of the problem? I'[m getting confused between yours and base3's. |
| 23:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | base3: That's not specific to debian btw. It's specific to the function that's being called. |
| 23:39.22 | base3 | but the 255 letters is cumulative so it adds up over all the directories that you're in |
| 23:39.31 | dondelelcaro | base3: eh? no. |
| 23:39.36 | base3 | theoros: i have run into this sort of problem before |
| 23:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | base3: Understand that some of us have been at this long enough to actually know what goes on behind the GUI. |
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| 23:40.02 | dondelelcaro | base3: it's limited by the filesystem you're running on; there isn't an intrinsic limitation |
| 23:40.42 | jhutchins_lt | base3: Whether a function handles spaces or other special characters in a path isn't necessarily consistent either. |
| 23:40.47 | base3 | jhutchins_lt: i dont use a gui |
| 23:40.50 | zinx | dondelelcaro: there is - PATH_MAX, but it's significantly higher than 255 characters |
| 23:41.06 | theoros | my filesystem is broken |
| 23:41.06 | base3 | its more realted to sharing files between windowns and linux |
| 23:41.20 | sway | ln -s |
| 23:41.32 | base3 | (i think) |
| 23:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | base3: How about you tell us what you're actually trying to do? I've worked with shared filesystems, including NTFS, for about ten years. |
| 23:42.29 | jhutchins_lt | theoros: What makes you think so? |
| 23:42.35 | base3 | theoros: you might find, as i have, that some people in this channel are reluctant to see this as a limitation of debian |
| 23:42.54 | theoros | why are you so resilient to dissenting opinion? |
| 23:42.59 | theoros | please, stop hating freedom |
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| 23:43.38 | merrily | i get the feeling you two are the same person...and you're both going on /ignore. this is retarded, and it's not even sunday |
| 23:43.48 | jschoolcraft | Why does visudo complain about secure_path as a default? |
| 23:43.53 | fchurca | halp? |
| 23:44.06 | dondelelcaro | fchurca: you'll have to tell us exactly what is giving you that message. |
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| 23:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | Mrmph. Well, if we're not going to take problems apart and fix things, I'm going to go watch TV or something. |
| 23:44.42 | fchurca | i right-click the clock panel-widget and go to adjust date & time |
| 23:44.48 | fchurca | asks for administrative passwd |
| 23:44.51 | fchurca | i enter it |
| 23:44.53 | bezaban | is debian netinst exceptionally slow at disk detection or is it bugged? |
| 23:45.07 | fchurca | and it tells me that message i posted earlier |
| 23:45.33 | fchurca | same with system->administration->(any option) |
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| 23:46.04 | sway | i guess spaces do have an ord value, so it makes sense. but it'd break a lot of older systems |
| 23:46.05 | bezaban | have had some freezes on various x86 machines |
| 23:47.03 | sway | i wouldn't ask for including space recognition in filenames |
| 23:48.23 | fchurca | dondeelcaro: i right-click the clock panel-widget and go to adjust date & time asks for administrative passwd; i enter it; and it tells me that message i posted earlier; same with system->administration->(any option) |
| 23:49.59 | sway | what's the difference between one space and 200 spaces to a computer? |
| 23:50.40 | stew | 199 spaces? |
| 23:50.51 | sway | heh |
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| 23:52.36 | sway | sir |
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| 23:53.12 | rafuch0 | i manage to send email to external domains and local domain but now how i configure evolution to see the mails |
| 23:53.30 | jschoolcraft | http://pastebin.com/d4007a77e and secure_path is an unrecognized default for visudo |
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| 23:54.49 | fchurca | halp? |
| 23:56.10 | fchurca | dondeelcaro: i've googled and so far tried reinstalling dbus from synaptic and checking my groups file, to no avail |
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