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| 00:10.32 | eviel | Hi |
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| 00:12.04 | jhutchins_lt | sway: The thing about a space is it's a delimiting character. |
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| 00:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | sway: So various functions may interpret it as just another character, or a delimiter, depending on what they expect. |
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| 00:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of pattern is --exclude=PATTERN in tar? a glob? |
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| 00:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm pretty sure tar expects regex |
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| 00:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I have to try it before using it on some GB of data |
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| 00:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, test cases sound like a good idea before messing with that much stuff. |
| 00:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | needs to cook up a rsync/tar backup recipie. |
| 00:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, --exclude='.*audit.txt' and --exclude='*audit.txt' both worked for ./ntfs/audit.txt |
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| 00:17.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, seems it's a glob, info coreutils tar says: For example, `du --exclude='*.o'' excludes files whose names end in `.o'." |
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| 00:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, of course .*audit.txt matches ./ntfs/audit.txt :) |
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| 00:20.02 | gh0st3r | ive got a *.tar.bz2 here, im trying to use tar xjf *.tar.bz2 to extract it, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:20.42 | jhutchins_lt | gh0st3r: Dunno, you could just bunzip it first. |
| 00:20.48 | stew | gh0st3r: that should be correct. do you get an error? |
| 00:21.01 | stew | gh0st3r: are you literally using *.tar.bz2 ? or are you using the actual filename? |
| 00:21.11 | jhutchins_lt | gh0st3r: try xjvf |
| 00:21.24 | gh0st3r | http://pastebin.com/m5d751946 |
| 00:21.49 | stew | gh0st3r: aptitude install bzip2 |
| 00:21.53 | gh0st3r | thanks |
| 00:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also see if file agrees it's a bzip2 |
| 00:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 00:22.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed, can't bunzip without bunzip |
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| 00:24.04 | gh0st3r | thanks team |
| 00:24.19 | Gratz474 | how can i set in my xorg to use 16 bit color? |
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| 00:24.42 | rpgdude | avahi doesnt work with my server |
| 00:25.12 | rpgdude | hostname.local doesnt resolve from my laptop on the same local network |
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| 00:28.32 | rpgdude | although avahi-discover recognizes it |
| 00:28.43 | rpgdude | maybe im just using avahi wrong |
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| 00:29.12 | p_masho | anyone help a complete newbie who's stuck. |
| 00:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands p_masho a crowbar |
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| 00:30.49 | p_masho | The problem I have is that I;ve been dumped with an online server.. (long stopy), the the partition containing the websites keeps reaching maximum, whilst another partition is is pretty free.. |
| 00:31.28 | p_masho | ie /var/www/* keeps getting full and then /home/* is pretty free.. |
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| 00:32.36 | p_masho | So what I'm thinkking of doing is to create a new user eg "www_sites", then copy /var/www/* to /home/www_sites/* then link /var/www to /home/www_sites .. |
| 00:32.38 | teekay_ | secret |
| 00:32.49 | p_masho | Is the above going to be possible ? |
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| 00:34.21 | simonrvn | p_masho: that depends, you dependent on apache's suexec? (you can get suexec custom) |
| 00:35.12 | p_masho | no suexec |
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| 00:36.20 | simonrvn | so np then |
| 00:37.31 | p_masho | cool |
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| 00:41.40 | oh_noes | does a process running as root have more kernel type rights than nonroot user? For example can it keep requesting memory until the OS runs out of memory? |
| 00:41.46 | fchurca | I'm getting "The configuration could not be loaded // You are not allowed to access the system configuration." when trying to change system settings (date/time, network, etc) from gnome tools. Even from root. |
| 00:42.26 | simonrvn | oh_noes: depends |
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| 00:46.15 | zrin | ... newer mdadm is missing |
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| 00:56.32 | n810debian | i installed debian on my n810, and now it says i am out of disk space (however gparted shows i am only using half of the partition); any suggestions on how to allow debian to see all of the free space? |
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| 00:59.05 | mentor | Has YouTube stopped working in swfdec for anyone else recently? |
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| 01:00.37 | n810debian | mentor: i installed debian on my n810, and now it says i am out of disk space (however gparted shows i am only using half of the partition); any suggestions on how to allow debian to see all of the free space? |
| 01:00.51 | mentor | !tell n810debian about repeat |
| 01:01.04 | n810debian | mentor: i was directing the question solely to you |
| 01:01.11 | mentor | n810debian: Then don't |
| 01:01.20 | mentor | !tell n810debian about ask |
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| 01:01.33 | n810debian | im using irssi and can't see private messages |
| 01:01.42 | beardy | Yes you can. |
| 01:01.48 | n810debian | beardy: how so |
| 01:01.51 | beardy | The point was, don't direct questions. |
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| 01:02.23 | n810debian | ok, i'll wait, thanx |
| 01:02.27 | beardy | n810debian: Just change to the window with the private message. |
| 01:02.51 | beardy | n810debian: Alt-1 to 9, q to p |
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| 01:03.01 | n810debian | beardy: awesome |
| 01:03.05 | beardy | n810debian: If no Alt, then Esc-1 and so on. |
| 01:03.11 | n810debian | mentor: the !ask, do you need more details? |
| 01:03.22 | swellie | facedesk |
| 01:04.23 | mentor | n810debian: No. I've actually had something else come up to do right now. If and when I come back to you, I'll ask for what I need. |
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| 01:06.31 | beardy | slides a pillow over to swellie's desk |
| 01:06.52 | swellie | oh, thanks... that's useful. I do that a lot reading this channel |
| 01:07.20 | swellie | n810debian, have you googled your problem? |
| 01:07.36 | n810debian | swellie: yes, not much on the n810 |
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| 01:08.06 | beardy | I do it when reading other places and peoples sayings elsewhere too. |
| 01:08.31 | swellie | beardy, yes, as do I... but not as much as when I read here. |
| 01:08.33 | n810debian | swellie: not much support for debian on the arm architecture either |
| 01:09.02 | swellie | n810debian, have you tried googling for just the error and not looking for your specific architecture? |
| 01:09.27 | n810debian | swellie: i'll do that until anyone here knows the solution; keeping up the hope |
| 01:09.50 | mentor | n810debian: What does df -h say? |
| 01:10.11 | n810debian | mentor: 100% used, gparted says 50% used |
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| 01:10.37 | mentor | Are you sure that gparted is referring to that sort of free space? |
| 01:10.39 | beardy | n810debian: gparted says that half the disk, or half the partition? |
| 01:10.46 | beardy | n810debian: is used? |
| 01:10.58 | n810debian | beardy: correct, half the partition is used (same partition, only have two) |
| 01:11.41 | beardy | n810debian: The other partition is empty? |
| 01:11.54 | n810debian | beardy: i am thinking the debian-squeeze image might be too small (the other is 60% used) |
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| 01:14.08 | mentor | n810debian: You say you have two partitions; are you confusing the two? |
| 01:14.21 | n810debian | mentor: no, one is ext2, the other is fat32 |
| 01:14.39 | mentor | Well, the fs could be corrupted |
| 01:14.43 | mentor | fsck it |
| 01:14.49 | n810debian | mentor: they are two different sizes, 2 GB and 4 GB, but the debian-squeeze image seems to be maxed out at 1.2 GB |
| 01:15.05 | n810debian | mentor: the check disk on the ext2 showed no errors |
| 01:15.48 | mentor | Would you paste the line from df about the filesystem in question? (1 line only) |
| 01:16.13 | n810debian | Filesystem on sysfs, Size 1.2G, Used 1.2G, Avail 0, Use 100%, Mounted /sys |
| 01:16.30 | _Trinity_ | well it looks like empaty voiping with msn is a flop. At least I can't get it working |
| 01:16.43 | monkeyman | hi everybody, im having problems writing to ntfs system, i started having this problem with i upgraded from lenny to unstable; i get the following error when i try to create a folder: Error creating directory: Operation not permitted |
| 01:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, maemo is a debian clone, so you could argue there's a lot of support.... kind of :) |
| 01:16.47 | mentor | n810debian: That's not it. That's you /sys |
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| 01:17.16 | n810debian | mentor: that was the output of the given command |
| 01:17.40 | mentor | n810debian: It only has one of output? |
| 01:17.49 | _Trinity_ | I wish programs were released stable beforethe ygot thwon into our unstable. I don't think Debian developers should be wasting their time pathing buggy software and that goes for kazehakase, midori and others |
| 01:17.50 | n810debian | mentor: correct, that was the only line |
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| 01:18.03 | sway | jhutchins_lt: pardon the late reply, but thank you for the explanation. |
| 01:18.38 | mentor | n810debian: Well, then assuming this is the correct fs, the issue is that it is only 1.2 G in size |
| 01:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell monkeyman -about ntfs3g |
| 01:19.06 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: i have installed ntfs-3g |
| 01:19.08 | n810debian | mentor: gparted (and the disk physically) says its 4 GB (or 3.7-3.8) |
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| 01:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't use it for mounting |
| 01:19.39 | mentor | n810debian: noted |
| 01:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course we don't know that, because you didn't tell, so I'm guessing |
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| 01:20.32 | mentor | n810debian: You understand that filesystems and partitions may be of different sizes? |
| 01:21.01 | n810debian | mentor: no, is there a command to expand (gparted shows its maxed out, though gparted only edits partitions, not filesystems?) |
| 01:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | gparted can do it, normally |
| 01:21.41 | mentor | not online though |
| 01:21.57 | n810debian | CutMeOwnThroat: gparted shows the partition to have 1.93 GB unused :) |
| 01:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yeah, not on a life filesystem |
| 01:22.01 | _Trinity_ | at least you get to try out new and up and comming software |
| 01:22.08 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't use it for mounting; when i was using lenny, i installed this package so my system could use ntfs (read/write) but when i upgraded to unstable, i could read from the ntfs partition but cant write to it |
| 01:22.18 | mentor | n810debian: Go look up filesystem resizing, a topic that will not be helped by the embedded nature of your system |
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| 01:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you obviously did use it for mounting when using lenny, else you wouldn't have had read/write access |
| 01:22.53 | n810debian | mentor: i will research and report back any problems, thanks |
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| 01:23.59 | n810debian | !tell n810debian about resize |
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| 01:24.23 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: tushay, i'm not thinking straight, been at this problem for hours |
| 01:25.17 | beardy | n810debian: You can just switch to the window with dpkg (from the previous message from it) and ask about resize. |
| 01:25.40 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: is this just a bug in the unstable version? |
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| 01:25.57 | beardy | But anyway, headdesk sounded like a nice idea. Or wall. |
| 01:25.57 | n810debian | beardy: im sorry, im not following |
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| 01:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkeyman, check what "mount" says what you're using... ntfs or fuseblk/ntfs-3g |
| 01:26.10 | beardy | Don't worry. |
| 01:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkeyman, it's not a bug, it's a feature! |
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| 01:28.48 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i do that? |
| 01:28.51 | jschoolcraft | Can't seem to get my sudo path to do what I want (either use root's path, or my users path) and secure_path is apparently not a valid Default option in sudoers file: http://pastebin.com/d306a5aea any ideas? |
| 01:29.16 | flaccid | how can i install packages with pre-defined values for the debconf script? i want to non-interactively install postfix |
| 01:29.37 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: /dev/sdb1 on /media/Seagate type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077), i got this |
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| 01:30.00 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | hello |
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| 01:30.03 | n810debian | beardy: resizefs is not available outside debian on my n810 |
| 01:30.33 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | My system is not displaying accented characters even though the locale is set to en_US.UTF8 |
| 01:30.41 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | Any idea where else I can look? |
| 01:30.43 | flaccid | or how can i install a package with defaults so i don't get the TUI configure ? |
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| 01:32.01 | flaccid | ah DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y postfix is good enough |
| 01:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkeyman, see? |
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| 01:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkeyman, umount /dev/sdb1; mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate |
| 01:34.27 | markybob | oh lordy |
| 01:34.36 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: i have no idea how to decode this because i'm new to linux |
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| 01:38.18 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | The funny thing is that I have another Debian system that works fine and that's also set to UTF-8 |
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| 01:38.50 | monkeyman | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for your help; is this permanent or once i reboot my pc, i have to run this command again? |
| 01:39.16 | n810debian | mentor: i can't install ext*resize outside of debian, and gparted only does the partition, not fs, is there a way i can do it from kernel commands or other? |
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| 01:45.53 | n810debian | i found the debian partition, umounted it, and need to change the filesystem size without changing the partition size, ext2resize is not available for my architect, any suggestions? |
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| 01:47.15 | planet8 | Does anyone know what has happened with the php-gtk port? |
| 01:48.03 | markybob | planet8, php-gtk never took off. it's constantly being abandoned and then being picked up six months later by a single person |
| 01:48.57 | planet8 | markybob, thanks! I didn't know that. |
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| 01:52.05 | krisfremen | single as in one or unmarried? :PPPP |
| 01:52.08 | krisfremen | XDDD |
| 01:53.10 | krisfremen | n810debian: which architecture you on? |
| 01:53.24 | n810debian | krisfremen: arm |
| 01:53.51 | n810debian | krisfremen: maemo running virtual debian on 4gb partition (apparently a 1.2gb filesystem) |
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| 01:55.40 | krisfremen | n810debian: so it's a nokia n810? |
| 01:55.50 | n810debian | krisfremen: yes |
| 01:55.51 | krisfremen | can't you plug it in the pc and resize it there? |
| 01:56.09 | n810debian | krisfremen: the microflash doesn't go in any of my PCs |
| 01:56.15 | krisfremen | usb? |
| 01:56.35 | n810debian | krisfremen: only accesses internal drive of n810 |
| 01:56.50 | krisfremen | ahh, now that sucks |
| 01:58.12 | krisfremen | sorry, can't help ya there n810debian |
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| 01:58.58 | krisfremen | i used to have a nokia 770, but i think i had an adapter for the memory card |
| 01:59.14 | n810debian | krisfremen: well the n810 virtual environment is maemo, which is debian based, so that is a plus |
| 01:59.14 | n810debian | krisfremen: make that the default OS (maemo), virtual is Debian |
| 01:59.14 | n810debian | krisfremen: do you know any commands to change the fs size? |
| 01:59.14 | n810debian | krisfremen: i have root access of maemo |
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| 01:59.44 | krisfremen | yikes |
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| 02:00.31 | n810debian | ? |
| 02:00.53 | jhutchins_lt | paste at your own peril |
| 02:01.05 | krisfremen | pasted 4 lines in one second |
| 02:01.14 | n810debian | jhutchins_lt: i did not paste anything, i did? |
| 02:01.17 | krisfremen | or maybe you just lagged a little bit |
| 02:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | we keep track of these things. |
| 02:01.31 | n810debian | jhutchins_lt: what did i paste? |
| 02:01.35 | jhutchins_lt | Or at least the bots do. |
| 02:01.45 | krisfremen | four messages to me |
| 02:01.51 | markybob | god i wish people would stop ircing while wasted |
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| 02:01.55 | n810debian | i think your bot has a glitch, i did not paste anything |
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| 02:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | You posted enough lines quickly enough that the bot thought you were flooding the channel. |
| 02:02.07 | markybob | n810debian, no, you're just an idiot |
| 02:02.14 | krisfremen | ok.. chill guys |
| 02:02.20 | n810debian | markybob: should i slow the typing? |
| 02:02.25 | krisfremen | he probably lagged a little bit |
| 02:02.27 | markybob | !enter |
| 02:02.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | markybob: Hey, some of us are still usefull when wasted. |
| 02:03.03 | jpinx-eeepc | n810debian: resize2fs ? |
| 02:03.39 | n810debian | jpinx-eeepc: thats not a package for debian maemo on arm arch |
| 02:05.07 | jpinx-eeepc | n810debian: aptitude search resize |
| 02:06.03 | n810debian | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache search resize; result: libparted files, wmctrl (nothing else) |
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| 02:07.11 | Gratz474 | do the new intel drivers use exa or uxa? |
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| 02:20.35 | monkeyman | hi everybody, i'm new to linux and i was having a problem writing to ntfs drive and one to the member help me with this by using the following commands: umount /dev/sdb1; mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate; |
| 02:20.35 | monkeyman | how do i make this permanent so i don't need to do this everytime the system reboots? |
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| 02:24.14 | LtL | monkeyman: try something like this in /etc/fstab - /dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 02:24.16 | o2T7 | monkeyman: adding '/dev/sdb1 /media/Seagate ntfs users,auto 0 0' to /etc/fstab ? |
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| 02:24.31 | o2T7 | oops ;) |
| 02:25.44 | monkeyman | LtL, o2T7: thanks for the help |
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| 02:28.16 | monkeyman | o2T7: is there going to be a problem with this when the drive is not connected? |
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| 02:29.56 | LtL | monkeyman: you'll get an 'unable to mount' error I presume,not life threatening :) |
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| 02:30.16 | LtL | monkeyman: plug it in type 'mount' |
| 02:30.27 | sigp239 | What does this error mean when debian is booting, right before X launches? |
| 02:30.28 | monkeyman | LtL: lol, thanks |
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| 02:33.42 | zareliman | hi, I've got an audio issue, some applications use the pcspeaker to reproduce audio, how can I change that ? |
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| 02:38.04 | reklipz | I've just installed squeeze and am having issues getting the network-manager to manage my eth0 device. |
| 02:40.58 | markybob | damn shame |
| 02:41.05 | factor | Anyone know where I can get a 64bit version of the pitfdll package for gstreamer |
| 02:41.27 | factor | I only see a 32 bit version, tried to compile the 64bit version but got only errors. |
| 02:41.35 | sway | reklipz: what kind of issues? |
| 02:42.00 | zareliman | hi, I've got an audio issue, some applications use the pcspeaker to reproduce audio, how can I change that ? |
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| 02:42.38 | reklipz | sway, issues in accordance with this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024 |
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| 02:42.54 | reklipz | sway: didn't notice it earlier, reading |
| 02:43.07 | sway | reklipz: good luck |
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| 02:43.41 | sway | so, i'm in a tight spot. i have a system that's running from memory, which i don't trust, but i need to install a clean version of debian on an already partitioned drive |
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| 02:44.29 | sway | i guess my question is would everything that came through this system be potentially contaminated somehow? |
| 02:44.58 | rdvonz | I'm making a home server out of an old pc box and It seems I accidentally the desktop and the "standard system" software. I don't need either of these according to a how to guide. How do I get rid of them? |
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| 02:45.09 | rdvonz | *installed |
| 02:45.11 | rdvonz | Dammit! |
| 02:45.51 | reklipz | sudo apt-get remove gnome-desktop |
| 02:46.01 | reklipz | gnome-desktop-environment maybe... |
| 02:46.23 | sway | man. this sucks. |
| 02:46.23 | reklipz | or just reinstall, it's quick |
| 02:46.37 | rdvonz | bah! |
| 02:46.46 | rdvonz | how do I deselect the little asterisk deals? |
| 02:46.50 | rdvonz | enter obvious doesn't work. |
| 02:46.54 | rdvonz | and I'm scared to click anything else. |
| 02:46.54 | reklipz | spacebar |
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| 02:47.03 | rdvonz | Of course... |
| 02:47.40 | reklipz | sway: what's the issue? |
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| 02:47.55 | reklipz | sway: do you have to keep the "untrusted" system running? |
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| 02:49.21 | sway | reklipz: no, i don't, but i don't know if rebooting would be helpful since it's a livecd |
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| 02:50.00 | reklipz | sway: your untrusted system is the debian-installer? |
| 02:50.07 | sway | reklipz: no |
| 02:50.37 | reklipz | if you boot to the d-i, then you're good, no? |
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| 02:51.34 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: do a netinstall? |
| 02:51.36 | sway | reklipz: i guess i'm asking, how paranoid should i be? should i assume that bin doesn't contain the tools i'm expecting? can i trust the tcp/ip stack? |
| 02:51.40 | roe_ | grrr, lmsensors isn't reading my cpu temp properly |
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| 02:52.13 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: that would be ideal, but i need firmware support to access the internet for a netinstall |
| 02:52.24 | sway | and i don't know how to do that |
| 02:53.22 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: take a look at the installation manual in debian.org - I have a vague memory of a method for some firmware being enabled for a netinstall |
| 02:53.43 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: ok. thank you. |
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| 02:55.37 | sway | huh. |
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| 02:55.47 | reklipz | sway: sorry, I'm lost. |
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| 02:56.30 | sway | reklipz: makes two of us then |
| 02:56.42 | reklipz | sway: you're wanting to know if you can trust the tcp stack on your untrusted system, and install debian via it. |
| 02:56.56 | reklipz | by definition, your untrusted system is.. untrustable |
| 02:57.06 | sway | reklipz: yes |
| 02:59.03 | sway | hmmmm |
| 02:59.06 | reklipz | what firmware do you need? |
| 02:59.34 | sway | rtl8187b support |
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| 03:01.56 | reklipz | sway: what release are you installing? |
| 03:02.07 | sway | reklipz: stable |
| 03:02.36 | reklipz | hmm |
| 03:02.37 | reklipz | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 03:03.04 | sway | i don't have an available wired connection |
| 03:03.18 | sway | thank you though |
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| 03:04.44 | reklipz | sway: that's the wireless driver page |
| 03:05.15 | reklipz | squeeze seems to have very good support, making me believe that squeeze d-i would grab firmware |
| 03:05.33 | reklipz | otherwise, doesn't the livecd method work? |
| 03:05.41 | sway | heh |
| 03:05.43 | sway | no |
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| 03:06.28 | sway | reklipz: thank you |
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| 03:06.38 | reklipz | sway: yep, good luck |
| 03:08.32 | reklipz | I have a BCM4312 802.11b/g - low power wifi chip (14e4:4315). I have linux 2.6.30 running, does the current b43 supplied with debian support this card? |
| 03:08.44 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: also take a look at the eeepc wiki - there's firmware for other wifi devices in installers there |
| 03:09.00 | markybob | reklipz, so long as you download the firmware |
| 03:09.31 | reklipz | markybob: so I simply have to use the b43-fwcutter tool, and things are good? |
| 03:09.44 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: thank you! |
| 03:09.56 | markybob | reklipz, yes |
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| 03:11.00 | markybob | reklipz, i'm using it now and it's allowing me to chat with you, actually :P |
| 03:11.13 | reklipz | very good, i'm excited |
| 03:13.41 | reklipz | markybob: looking in dmesg - b43-phy0: Broadcom 4312 WLAN found (core revision 15) - b43-phy0 ERROR: FOUND UNSUPPORTED PHY (Analog 6, Type 5, Revision 1) |
| 03:14.15 | reklipz | I don't need to update b43 or anything? |
| 03:14.44 | sweetandy | !rouletteooh b43-fwcutter |
| 03:14.46 | sweetandy | whoops |
| 03:14.56 | sweetandy | I downloaded that for my iBook G4 to no avail, try wicd. |
| 03:15.03 | sweetandy | works like a charm |
| 03:15.14 | markybob | reklipz, 4312 is supported. check the wiki for more info http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 03:15.29 | sweetandy | but make sure to install it and run the script first |
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| 03:16.48 | markybob | reklipz, oh, looks like 4312 needs 2.6.32+ |
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| 03:20.28 | reklipz | markybob: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download claims I can just download and install if >= 2.6.27 |
| 03:21.34 | quagga | reklipz: you're using the low power broadcom phy? yes, it can be fudged to work. i used it about a month ago and it wasn't perfectly stable. it dropped out a lot |
| 03:21.46 | reklipz | quagga: yes |
| 03:21.50 | markybob | You are using the b43 driver with an LP-PHY card (e.g. BCM4312) |
| 03:21.50 | markybob | Follow these instructions if you are using the b43 driver from linux-2.6.32 and newer or compat-wireless-2.6, or from any current GIT tree, and have a device with a low-power PHY. |
| 03:22.07 | markybob | reklipz, that's from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 03:22.51 | quagga | reklipz: yeah, the compat-wireless snapshot should work. i was using it on lenny with the 2.6.30 bpo kernel |
| 03:23.07 | quagga | reklipz: you also have to use the firmware cutter from the site markybob just listed |
| 03:23.07 | reklipz | quagga: ah crap, I didn |
| 03:23.17 | reklipz | I didn't even think about backports... just installed squeeze |
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| 03:24.12 | quagga | reklipz: well that should work also. i didn't test it. my solution was to just buy an intel 5100 after an atheros ath9k card wouldn't work |
| 03:24.30 | reklipz | :) |
| 03:24.34 | markybob | ath9k is shit |
| 03:24.47 | rdvonz | I'm trying to install this list of dependencies: http://pastebin.com/m2f7c16ea and it says that package apache-common is not found but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:25.00 | rdvonz | where can I find these dependencies |
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| 03:25.38 | stew | rdvonz: why do you want apache-common? what version of debian are you running? |
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| 03:25.53 | quagga | markybob: yeah, i bought an atheros 9k card as it was all free of firmware ra ra and it just didn't work. i bought the intel 5100 |
| 03:26.10 | markybob | rdvonz, nor have you posted an error or warning or anything that would require input of any sort |
| 03:26.20 | rdvonz | stew: I'm running debian etch |
| 03:26.22 | markybob | quagga, me too :( |
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| 03:26.36 | rdvonz | markybob: I want a repo with my dependencies >.> Is that a big enough problem for you? |
| 03:26.40 | roe_ | ouch, etch on your desktop? |
| 03:26.47 | rdvonz | roe_: home server. |
| 03:26.52 | roe_ | oh, nm |
| 03:26.55 | W9ZEB | is it possible to add the matrix raid module at boot time before installing? |
| 03:26.56 | reklipz | Hmm, these docs are confusing |
| 03:26.56 | markybob | rdvonz, no |
| 03:26.57 | stew | rdvonz: any debian repository would have it |
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| 03:26.59 | roe_ | that is fine |
| 03:27.00 | W9ZEB | with kernel options? |
| 03:27.14 | stew | rdvonz: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 03:28.14 | rdvonz | http://pastebin.com/m37dec221 |
| 03:28.38 | rdvonz | oh woah, I'm on lenny. sorry. |
| 03:28.43 | markybob | wtf is it with people not posting the entire thing tonight? |
| 03:28.45 | stew | rdvonz: that's lenny, not etch. in lenny, apache-common is replaced by apache2.2-common |
| 03:29.02 | stew | rdvonz: what made you think you wanted apache-common in the first place? |
| 03:29.14 | W9ZEB | starts over. |
| 03:29.22 | rdvonz | stew: This helpful howto guide for installing rtorrent with the wtorrent interface. |
| 03:29.41 | markybob | rdvonz, you dont want rtorrent. deluge is better in every sense |
| 03:29.44 | W9ZEB | If I want to install onto an Intel Matrix Raid, Raid-5 array, are there extra kernel paramaters I can pass when booting the ISO? |
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| 03:30.31 | stew | rdvonz: why don't you want just "aptitude install rtorrent"? |
| 03:30.55 | markybob | rdvonz, take a look at http://torrentfreak.com/utorrent-userbase-grows-vuze-takes-a-dive-091018/ ...which had more comments? rtorrent or deluge? |
| 03:31.08 | rdvonz | markybob: Stop. Just. Stop. |
| 03:32.05 | markybob | rdvonz, ? rtorrent < deluge...stop what? i'm trying to help you |
| 03:32.32 | rdvonz | markybob: I'm trying to install wtorrent, an rtorrent interface so that I think remotely torrent on a home server. Deluge isn't meant for that. Go away. |
| 03:32.45 | W9ZEB | markybob: are you a kde, gnome, or other DM user? |
| 03:32.47 | rdvonz | stew: wtorrent works better w/ rtorrent SVN builds |
| 03:33.09 | markybob | rdvonz, it is, actually. deluge had a daemon, web, ncruses, and various other interfaces |
| 03:33.57 | rdvonz | stew: haha, if I had read 2 lines below the packages I would have found out that apache-common is apache2.2-common. Oops. |
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| 03:34.36 | daemon | markybob, experience is gained, let those who don't want to learn blow their own legs off in the mind field. |
| 03:34.45 | rdvonz | markybob: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4046/delugetest4xp5.png vs http://www.wtorrent-project.org/trac/screenshots/8?format=raw |
| 03:34.47 | daemon | s/mind/mine/ ^+^ |
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| 03:35.37 | stew | rdvonz: well in any case, instead of the huge list of packages, you probably just need "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 build-essental screen" "apt-get build-dep rtorrent" |
| 03:35.37 | faily | failed to recover EFIs on dm-2 |
| 03:35.40 | markybob | rdvonz, that interface hasnt been standard since 0.5.x. 1.2.0 has an ajax web interface that kicks it's ass |
| 03:35.41 | faily | structure needs cleaning |
| 03:35.45 | faily | rusty.. is that agorist |
| 03:35.50 | stew | rdvonz: that should pull in all the stuff you need to build rtorrent |
| 03:35.53 | markybob | rdvonz, so try to be up to date when you try to prove a point |
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| 03:36.05 | faily | my sys wont boot now |
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| 03:36.54 | stew | markybob: please try to be more constructive and less agressive and confrontational |
| 03:37.02 | Rusty1 | faily: not |
| 03:37.07 | faily | ah diff rusty |
| 03:37.10 | rdvonz | markybob: Sorry, I thought you were just trying to be a prick. My bad, but now that I've seen the new deluge webui I think I might try that. |
| 03:37.17 | rdvonz | markybob: Thanks |
| 03:37.19 | faily | does anyone know how to make my sys bootable again |
| 03:37.27 | faily | it locked up and i hit the power switch |
| 03:37.29 | faily | now it wont .. |
| 03:37.30 | markybob | rdvonz, you're very welcome |
| 03:37.51 | markybob | stew, ...shame that i wasnt trying to help you :) |
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| 03:41.42 | rdvonz | markybob: So, I don't really see a definitive "Deluge beats rtorrent" because... post on any sort of site. |
| 03:41.48 | rdvonz | markybob: Enlighten me. |
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| 03:43.12 | sigp239 | Should I use xen or kvm ? |
| 03:43.15 | markybob | rdvonz, did you read the comments in torrentfreak that i showed you? if not, you should take a look at the popcon stats in debian or ubuntu....ubuntu installs transmission by default, but debian still has the larger userbase |
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| 03:43.37 | markybob | rdvonz, i meant but deluge* |
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| 03:46.10 | stew | popcon says that rtorrent is far more popular |
| 03:46.34 | rdvonz | markybob: I have concluded that both are great, rtorrent being less popular because it's mainly CLI |
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| 03:46.43 | faily | does anyone know what EFIs are |
| 03:46.44 | faily | heh |
| 03:46.53 | stew | seems to be more popular |
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| 03:47.52 | markybob | stew, no. you're confused. transmission is more popular than deluge, which is the ancient version, not the current deluge-torrent package and version. so nice try, but you lose |
| 03:48.46 | rdvonz | stew: Help? http://pastebin.com/m6aaf415a |
| 03:49.03 | stew | markybob: yes its more popular than deluge, but far less popular than rtorrent |
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| 03:49.12 | stew | markybob: and this isn't about winning and losing... |
| 03:49.12 | simonrvn | !efi |
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| 03:49.29 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 03:49.29 | faily | this is an xfs thing |
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| 03:49.35 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 03:49.36 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 03:49.43 | faily | failed to recover EFIs structure needs cleaning, after lockup |
| 03:49.58 | simonrvn | oh, UTSL |
| 03:50.26 | stew | rdvonz: you want "apt-get build-dep rtorrent" "aptitude install build-essential libapache2-mod-php5 subversion screen" |
| 03:51.04 | simonrvn | aptitude has b-d too but not lenny's :( |
| 03:51.20 | stew | yeah, he's on lenny |
| 03:51.35 | faily | i WAS on lenny til my sys stoped booting heh |
| 03:51.50 | rdvonz | stew: So those are the 3 commands I need...? |
| 03:51.57 | faily | i might have to run xfs_repair from a livecd |
| 03:51.58 | faily | hmm |
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| 03:52.05 | faily | i guess ill grab ubuntu |
| 03:52.15 | rdvonz | faily: you might as well wait 2 weeks for the new version |
| 03:52.22 | rdvonz | or a week |
| 03:52.24 | rdvonz | I don't even know |
| 03:52.29 | faily | lol wiat too weeks |
| 03:52.32 | faily | im locked out of my sys |
| 03:52.35 | faily | i need in now |
| 03:52.43 | rdvonz | Lol, nevermind. |
| 03:52.49 | stew | rdvonz: that was two commands, and I believe it should get you just about everything you need. most of those things you are listing are just build-dependencies that would be pulled in with "build-dep rtorent". installing libapache2-mod-php5 would get you a working apache2 server with php... |
| 03:52.51 | faily | im on a crappy livecd |
| 03:53.10 | rdvonz | stew: yeah, that's what I need for wtorrent |
| 03:55.14 | faily | boot failed and i guess im in plain sh |
| 03:55.19 | faily | no idea how to try to repair the xfs from there |
| 03:56.11 | faily | if indeed xfs is the problem, unless its a problem with the dm part itself |
| 03:56.45 | rdvonz | what exactly is the package "linux-kernel-headers" ? |
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| 03:57.15 | Rusty1 | http://linux.die.net/man/8/xfs_repair faily |
| 03:58.02 | rdvonz | I install: linux-libc-dev for linux kernel headers, right? |
| 03:58.05 | stew | rdvonz: its the headers a userspace program needs in order to communicate with the kernel. but that one is outdated and now is replaced by linux-libc-dev |
| 03:58.07 | aayala | hi i have a question im using debian squeeze using grub2 i don't see the boot messages |
| 03:58.07 | faily | but my boot failed, is there no way to do that from init |
| 03:58.10 | faily | or must i pop in a livecd |
| 03:58.22 | faily | im downloading xubuntu now |
| 03:58.51 | aayala | how i can see boot messages as booting using grub2 ? |
| 03:59.22 | sway | which kernel should i select if i'm installing lenny? |
| 03:59.34 | aayala | 2.6.30-2 |
| 03:59.39 | rdvonz | You know what's ridiculous? Skype uses port 80. |
| 03:59.53 | sway | thank you |
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| 04:00.09 | aayala | sorry lenny is 2.6.-26 |
| 04:00.13 | aayala | im using squeeze |
| 04:00.28 | reklipz | well, I followed all of the instructions here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download |
| 04:00.39 | stew | sway: are you being presented with a choice? between what and what? |
| 04:00.54 | reklipz | but now I'm getting some funky output in dmesg |
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| 04:01.31 | sway | stew: i'm trying to install it using a chroot because i need firmware installed in order for me to use the normal person installer. which i really could use |
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| 04:02.15 | sway | stew: so i can choose any kernel, i suppose. |
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| 04:02.53 | stew | sway: which cpu do you have? |
| 04:03.06 | sway | intel celeron 540 |
| 04:03.13 | sway | i think |
| 04:03.30 | stew | sway: then you can install "linux-image-686" |
| 04:03.47 | sway | stew: with no numbers beforehand? |
| 04:04.01 | sway | pardon |
| 04:04.05 | sway | thank you |
| 04:04.08 | stew | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 04:04.09 | judd | stew: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+21 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 |
| 04:04.24 | sway | thank you, sir |
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| 04:05.17 | rdvonz | Ridiculousness, Now lightppd is giving me hell |
| 04:05.19 | rdvonz | fv |
| 04:05.21 | rdvonz | http://pastebin.com/m5bfc5a18 |
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| 04:06.31 | Hoxzer | :-) |
| 04:07.16 | stew | rdvonz: you can change lighttp to use a different port, free up port 80, short circuit the init script, or possibly /etc/default/lighttp or whatever would let you disable it (which would make the init script exit with success even without starting) |
| 04:07.21 | stew | (i'd hop) |
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| 04:13.28 | rdvonz | stew: port 80 isn't even in use |
| 04:13.30 | rdvonz | http://pastebin.com/m3d11278e |
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| 04:14.33 | stew | rdvonz: hmm, perhaps show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/lighttpd start" ? |
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| 04:15.20 | rdvonz | http://pastebin.com/m15c4c2ad |
| 04:16.44 | stew | dunno |
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| 04:21.57 | Manoj | quiet today |
| 04:22.52 | rdvonz | stew: figured it out, apache was running |
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| 04:28.53 | reklipz | Success!! |
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| 04:29.44 | sway | chroot is not the way to go for me |
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| 04:32.19 | PlItS | guys quick question i have 3 ips avelable at my box how can i setup a port ridirect for only one of the ips using iptables NAT? |
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| 04:33.42 | stew | PlItS: you want to redirect what to what? |
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| 04:35.48 | PlItS | stew: i have to redirect port 80 to 9190 |
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| 04:37.18 | stew | PlItS: then you can do something like "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 1.2.3.4:9190" which says "packets headed for 1.2.3.4 on port 80 should be rewritten to go to 9190 on the same ip" |
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| 04:40.12 | PlItS | so preatymuch everyone who request http/1.2.3.4 will be ridirected to port 9190 am i corect |
| 04:40.31 | jony123 | I want it that when a user logins via ssh or ftp to have a welcome message displayed |
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| 04:42.00 | PlItS | stew: thnx a lot that did the trick |
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| 04:42.25 | \amethyst | jony123: for ssh, put the message in /etc/motd.tail and /var/run/motd |
| 04:42.56 | \amethyst | jony123: (the latter is constructed on boot by running uname -snrvm then appending the content of /etc/motd.tail) |
| 04:43.58 | jony123 | \amethyst: How do i make it user spefic |
| 04:44.20 | \amethyst | jony123: for that I would add code in /etc/profile |
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| 04:44.47 | \amethyst | jony123: which will run for every login shell, including the ones sshd spawns |
| 04:44.50 | PlItS | stew: let moe bother u one more time ... this iptables rule will stay there all times even after a restart or i have to add it again after a restart ? |
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| 04:45.14 | jony123 | \amethyst: ok thanks |
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| 04:51.19 | magikid | I'm thinking about switching from ubuntu to debian. Is there anything I would gain from the switch? |
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| 04:54.08 | bp0 | hello again, im trying to update my jaunty to the rc, with `update-manager -d` ... is there a way i can tell it to use packs from the cd instead of downloading? im only getting 100k from the server and its going to take hours |
| 04:54.42 | bp0 | i already downloaded the rc iso |
| 04:54.49 | magikid | if you're upgrading to jaunty, you want the #ubuntu channel |
| 04:55.03 | bp0 | no, upgrading juanty to karmic |
| 04:55.13 | stew | bp0: in any case, you want #ubuntu |
| 04:55.14 | magikid | yeah, you want the #ubuntu channel |
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| 04:55.54 | stew | PlItS: it would not be permanant. though you can use iptables-save to save the rules to a file and use iptables-restore to restore them. I'd recommend running the iptables-restore from "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 04:56.45 | bp0 | stew, sorry i thought i was in #ubuntu+1 when i said that. |
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| 04:57.47 | sway | ooo |
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| 05:00.26 | PlItS | thnx stew |
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| 05:02.57 | Level-Zero | hi |
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| 05:10.29 | Level-Zero | Hello :) how can I customize permission to user ftpadmin via sudo to administrate ftp only => start ,stop ,restart the ftp daemon ? what should I do? http://pastebin.com/m540548ea |
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| 05:16.30 | bododo | Hi guys! :) |
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| 05:17.18 | bododo | I have a quite slow Internet connexion, is going from Lenny to unstable still advisable for me? |
| 05:17.39 | bododo | Also, is it really that bad to switch to unstable? |
| 05:18.51 | bododo | how much data will be downloaded? is it safe if my Internet connexion drops while upgrading? |
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| 05:22.40 | _Trinity_ | hey is there a way to hack the shutdown so as to bring back the woody "It is safe to power off your computer" |
| 05:22.43 | _Trinity_ | ? |
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| 05:28.33 | iv_s_ | hi! seems i have run out of inodes. i have free disk space, but i can't create files. and fsck said i have inode usage 99.99%. what should i do? |
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| 05:32.41 | dejones | I am trying to set my debian-architecture since I installed a 64-bit kernel... debian-architecture command says I have i484-linux-gnu, but I want i686-linux-gnu. Any ideas how to set this? "dpkg-architecture -ti686-linux-gnu" isn't working. |
| 05:33.44 | monkeyman | i've upgraded to unstable version and a new feature of system beeping is annoying me; how do i disable this? |
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| 05:34.29 | dejones | monkeyman: "rmmod pcspkr" will remove the module for the pc speaker, that's what I do. I add it to my modules blacklist. |
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| 05:34.43 | simonrvn | modprobe -r |
| 05:34.48 | simonrvn | !rmmod |
| 05:34.48 | dpkg | rmmod is probably a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 05:35.52 | dejones | simonrvn: ty |
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| 05:36.16 | dejones | How can I install a version of gcc for i686-linux-gnu instead of i486-linux-gnu that I currently have...? |
| 05:36.21 | monkeyman | dejones: will it remove permanently or once i restart the system, i gotta rerun it? |
| 05:36.58 | dejones | monkeyman: you have to add pcspkr to the modules blacklist to keep it from being loaded when you boot. |
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| 05:37.38 | monkeyman | dejones: how do i add it to blacklist? |
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| 05:38.45 | dejones | monkeyman: edit the file: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 05:39.43 | hark | monkeyman: mute it |
| 05:40.22 | monkeyman | dejones: thanks for that, but when i ran the command rmmod pcspkr, it's command not found, even when i tried running it as root |
| 05:40.53 | dejones | monkeyman: try "modprobe -r" like simonrvn suggested. |
| 05:41.22 | dejones | does anyone know how I can change my dpkg-architecture to amd64? |
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| 05:41.52 | \amethyst | dejones: you more or less have to reinstall |
| 05:42.02 | sway | is there a command in vim which saves the current file instead of 'save: /full/path/to/file' ? |
| 05:42.08 | \amethyst | dejones: or set up an amd64 chroot |
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| 05:42.15 | dejones | \amethyst: are you kidding?!? |
| 05:43.29 | \amethyst | dejones: until multiarch support is working, which will probably be at least a couple of releases from now, you can't directly install packages from one arch on another (and have it work) |
| 05:43.55 | dejones | \amethyst: ahhhh.... |
| 05:44.28 | monkeyman | dejones: i ran the following command: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr, but it didn't silence the beep |
| 05:44.42 | monkeyman | hark: how do i do that |
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| 05:45.17 | hark | monkeyman: use alsamixer or similar |
| 05:45.35 | hark | monkeyman: you have Beep there |
| 05:45.54 | monkeyman | hark: i tried that but it diddnt mute the beep |
| 05:46.07 | monkeyman | hark: let me check |
| 05:46.33 | \amethyst | dejones: with i386-on-amd64 there are things like ia32-libs and ia32-apt-get, but there is much less available in the reverse direction... mostly just a cross-compilation toolchain |
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| 05:47.33 | monkeyman | hark: thanks alot, it's been annoying me and i had my headphones in my ears |
| 05:47.46 | hark | np |
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| 05:48.02 | monkeyman | hark: is this permanent? |
| 05:48.20 | monkeyman | hark: the muting of the beep? |
| 05:48.50 | monkeyman | hark: meaning, once i restart the system, will i have to mute it again? |
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| 05:49.12 | hark | monkeyman: no, alsa-utils should take care of it |
| 05:49.16 | \amethyst | dejones: that said, you can look into how things like lib64ncurses5 are built and try to do something similar with other packages |
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| 05:49.26 | monkeyman | hark: good |
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| 05:49.35 | \amethyst | dejones: but that's going to be a rather arduous process |
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| 05:59.03 | asarch | Can somebody please paste the grub.conf's line where you set up your kernel (kernel /boot/vmlinuz...) |
| 05:59.13 | asarch | I delete my line! |
| 05:59.14 | asarch | :-( |
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| 06:00.11 | simonrvn | don't you have backups? |
| 06:00.22 | asarch | No, I don't :-( |
| 06:00.41 | simonrvn | grub.conf? what are you talking about? grub1, grub2? |
| 06:00.49 | asarch | Please, I beg you |
| 06:01.00 | asarch | /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 06:01.12 | simonrvn | grub.cfg ? |
| 06:01.17 | asarch | Yes! |
| 06:02.19 | simonrvn | linux /boot/vmlinuz-foo root=/dev/bar ro # for example |
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| 06:03.20 | chomwitt_ | in order to managa user accounts in a server in a lan do i need nis+nfs or nfs only will do the job? |
| 06:04.33 | simonrvn | nfs doesn't do user management |
| 06:04.50 | simonrvn | and you don't need nis(+) |
| 06:05.21 | simonrvn | you wanna sync your users? is it a large or small network? |
| 06:05.23 | asarch | root= <-? |
| 06:05.27 | asarch | Which partition? |
| 06:05.30 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 06:05.30 | asarch | /dev/sda1 |
| 06:05.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:05.31 | asarch | ? |
| 06:05.42 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: I have seen medium-size sites that, instead of using NIS or LDAP, just sync the passwd etc files between machines |
| 06:05.47 | simonrvn | asarch: you figure it out, it's your machine |
| 06:06.37 | simonrvn | root= refers to the / partition |
| 06:06.48 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
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| 06:07.16 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: with NFS you do want the numerical user IDs to be the same across all machines, which is why you'd usually use it with NIS or something similar |
| 06:07.27 | chomwitt_ | simonrvn: small 10pc lan with 100 users!! |
| 06:08.08 | simonrvn | could probably use that cfengine thing to sync /etc/passwd and friends |
| 06:08.22 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: theoretically with NFS4 and idmapd you don't need the sync the uids, but I've never gotten it to work... Linux NFS4 support seems a bit flaky |
| 06:08.39 | simonrvn | it's still a WIP |
| 06:09.06 | simonrvn | but v4 you can use kerberos |
| 06:09.27 | \amethyst | I'm using NFS4 between my Linux and OpenSolaris machines, but I couldn't get idmap to do anything useful, beyond mapping everybody to 'nobody' |
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| 06:09.56 | \amethyst | I eventually gave up and synced the user IDs (or at least the ones I care about) |
| 06:10.02 | simonrvn | mm - there's a conf file for it, scrwed around with that? |
| 06:10.22 | chomwitt_ | \amethyst: i'll study the sync way. thanks. |
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| 06:11.22 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yeah, there are a total of five things you can do with the config file, none of which include "make it work" :) |
| 06:11.39 | simonrvn | hehe i like the way you put that =) |
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| 06:12.17 | simonrvn | i just the ldap that's already set up.. |
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| 06:13.06 | simonrvn | just built a new one for lenny yesterday, 2.4.17 |
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| 06:13.25 | simonrvn | (i know, it's old, but that's what was in sid) |
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| 06:14.25 | chomwitt_ | \amethyst: the central passwd file that would be sync(ed) would be accesed from nfs clients? |
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| 06:15.24 | WormFood | what the hell does it take to make sound work in vmware and skype? I can't get this god damn shit to work, no matter how much I google....I've gone to vmware and skype's pages, and I did everything they said to do, and it still won't work |
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| 06:15.39 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: yes, the clients would need to have the same passwd (and group) file as the server so that the files have the correct ownership |
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| 06:17.09 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: since if UID 1015 is 'fred' on the server but 'barney' on the client, barney would have access to fred's files (and fred would not) |
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| 06:18.07 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: and if you're going to go that far you probably want to sync /etc/shadow and /etc/gshadow as well so the passwords are the same on all machines |
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| 06:21.09 | chomwitt_ | \amethyst: i think i get the big picture. i'm googling for details ,tutorial and stuff. thanks!! |
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| 06:22.27 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: NIS and LDAP are other ways to manage this, where users information is stored in a separate database running on the server, and the clients all query the server. It's worth looking into, because it can be less hassle than the syncing-passwd method |
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| 06:24.43 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: NIS/NIS+ are more-or-less obsolete because of LDAP, but they do still see use |
| 06:24.57 | chomwitt_ | \amethyst: well i guess the tricky is to mount a certain users home dir each time he's logging. If that's not easy to setup with sync i'll check LDAP |
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| 06:26.36 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: there are various methods of automounting: am-utils, autofs, etc |
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| 06:32.13 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 06:32.13 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 50m 57s ago, saying: 'ksnp: my point was that you might `mv S30foo _30foo`'. |
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| 06:32.35 | tarzeau | is there a native american english speaker? someone writes me something (i think it's slang) that i don't understand |
| 06:32.49 | chomwitt_ | \amethyst: i'm checking automounting wikipedia article now. thanks again! :-) |
| 06:32.52 | tarzeau | dict couldn't help me |
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| 06:34.01 | Gratz474 | anyone here know about UXA? does Option âMigrationHeuristicâ âgreedyâ work under it? i thought the devs added support for this in? |
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| 06:34.32 | tarzeau | Gratz474: intel video card settings for xorg? |
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| 06:36.03 | Gratz474 | yes |
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| 06:44.53 | Gertm | what package contains libGLU.so? |
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| 06:46.59 | tarzeau | Gertm: libglu1-mesa-dev |
| 06:47.20 | Gertm | thanks! |
| 06:47.33 | Gertm | Is there a way for me to find that myself next time? |
| 06:47.40 | tarzeau | Gertm: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGLU.so |
| 06:47.45 | tarzeau | Gertm: well only if it's already there |
| 06:47.50 | tarzeau | Gertm: otherwise, packages.debian.org |
| 06:47.58 | Gertm | thanks again! |
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| 06:57.59 | fredl | LOL, #552010 |
| 06:59.36 | WormFood | anyone know how to get sound working in skype and/or vmware in sid? |
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| 07:00.15 | spudwebb | WormFood, sound works perfectly for me with virtualbox in sid |
| 07:00.40 | fredl | he wasn't asking about virtualbox, was he? |
| 07:00.47 | spudwebb | also, skype just crashes for me in sid so I run it off a virtualbox vm |
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| 07:01.00 | WormFood | in skype, everything is set to "PluseAudio server (local)"....you'd think it would work, but sadly it does not (ignoring the fact that skype is pure fuckin' garbage) |
| 07:01.02 | spudwebb | fredl, I wasn't asking for you to chirp in was it? |
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| 07:01.34 | simonrvn | spudwebb: nice way to talk to people offering you help |
| 07:01.36 | spudwebb | WormFood, yes, I agree with skype's poorness |
| 07:01.46 | simonrvn | !lart spudwebb |
| 07:01.46 | dpkg | drops a humongous exploding nuke on spudwebb |
| 07:01.59 | WormFood | Cannot connect virtual device sound. No corresponding device is available on the host. <-- vmware gives me this error....ALL OTHER programs that use sound work perfectly. |
| 07:02.02 | spudwebb | simonrvn, I'm not in need of help. I'm trying to help WormFood. |
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| 07:02.47 | simonrvn | serves me right for coming in the middle =) |
| 07:03.40 | simonrvn | WormFood: i thought vmware didn't support alsa nor "sound daemons" |
| 07:04.18 | hark | WormFood: maybe it uses oss? |
| 07:04.29 | simonrvn | that was my thought |
| 07:04.29 | WormFood | skype usually does not have problems crashing for me |
| 07:04.55 | WormFood | but the newest sykpe is supposed to support the pulseaudio server |
| 07:05.00 | fredl | spudwebb - sorry for being abrubt with you, but I feel that if somebody asks help on A, telling him that 'it works fine with B' is not a good way to help somebody. |
| 07:05.06 | WormFood | and of course, I read the forums for help |
| 07:05.09 | WormFood | I agree fredl |
| 07:05.28 | WormFood | it is a comment, but of little real help |
| 07:05.58 | fredl | spudwebb - it discourages other people as well from helping on A. |
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| 07:06.21 | spudwebb | fredl, it's ok, I was just suggesting an alternative program which fills the same need as the mentioned, crappier one. I don't really see how it discourages people from helping him. |
| 07:06.37 | simonrvn | WormFood: checked your syslog? pa is rather verbose there |
| 07:06.53 | WormFood | I have checked all my logs....but will double check |
| 07:07.00 | simonrvn | mm ok |
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| 07:08.07 | fredl | spudwebb, well just something I've observed several times myself. It's often better to simply not suggest another alternative unless the person asks for a possible alternative. |
| 07:08.13 | WormFood | and I'm running the newest version of skypee (that is how all my friends pronouce it, "sky pee") |
| 07:08.16 | simonrvn | i'm thinking skype probably crashed it or something |
| 07:08.31 | WormFood | it continues to work fine for everything else. |
| 07:08.41 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 07:09.05 | simonrvn | sky-pee? ah, pee from the sky (eew) |
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| 07:11.29 | simonrvn | is thinking |
| 07:12.51 | simonrvn | WormFood: for S&G try modprobing the oss emulation modules |
| 07:13.02 | simonrvn | then try running the stupid thing again. |
| 07:13.13 | WormFood | did you know, that you can't go to skype.com in china? if you do, you get redirected to skype.tom.com, and they have a special version of skype that spies on you? |
| 07:13.25 | simonrvn | WormFood: oh, do you happen to have a stray sype process hogging the connection? |
| 07:13.38 | simonrvn | eew. but figures. |
| 07:13.47 | WormFood | no, I just rebooted after a kernel upgrade last night |
| 07:14.03 | WormFood | fortunately, if you goggle, and get to another page on skype's site, it won't redirect you to tom.com |
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| 07:14.46 | WormFood | personally I'd be happy if skype vanished off the face of the earth, but sadly, people I need to talk with use it |
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| 07:15.15 | WormFood | now the newest skype supports pulseaudio, when I try to use the oss wrapper, it still does not work |
| 07:15.22 | simonrvn | i suppose ekiga and such don't support/skye doesn't allow 3rd-party apps to connect to their shit |
| 07:15.29 | simonrvn | esd-compat ? |
| 07:15.37 | WormFood | http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ |
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| 07:18.17 | dronk | if I need to get an atheros card working in debian etch and madwifi is completely wiped off the internet (apparently)... should I in theory be able to build a kernel with ath9k or am I basically screwed here? |
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| 07:19.31 | simonrvn | i love how their "technical details" are just the version number... |
| 07:19.37 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
| 07:19.39 | WormFood | skype shows up in the applications using pulse audio |
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| 07:20.02 | WormFood | skype shows up in the list of applications as using pulseaudio |
| 07:20.08 | WormFood | it is the only thing in the list. |
| 07:20.17 | WormFood | what pisses me off, is the fact it was working |
| 07:20.27 | simonrvn | oh yeh? |
| 07:20.40 | WormFood | yeah, a while ago....like a few months ago |
| 07:20.41 | simonrvn | what changed? |
| 07:20.55 | WormFood | system upgrades |
| 07:21.03 | WormFood | I'm running sid, so lots of changes on a regular basis |
| 07:21.13 | WormFood | but still, I'm not aware of anything I did to break it |
| 07:21.18 | simonrvn | oh fuck, yeh, don't i know it ;). |
| 07:21.20 | WormFood | it works fine on my laptop |
| 07:21.26 | WormFood | under Linux, of course. |
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| 07:21.36 | dronk | does anyone know if 2.6.30 is undoable in etch or should I just attempt to build it? |
| 07:21.54 | dronk | I need the wifi to update because the ethernet is jacked up |
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| 07:22.00 | simonrvn | undoable? etch? |
| 07:22.02 | dronk | unless I can somehow do a distupgrade on a usb drive |
| 07:22.04 | hark | dronk: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 07:22.10 | dronk | hark: madwifi is gone |
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| 07:22.31 | dronk | I just tried to get from svn and cvs and they are both down and /Downloads on their site is forbidden |
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| 07:22.50 | hark | dronk: no it's not |
| 07:22.55 | dronk | dpkg: tell me about madwifi-install |
| 07:22.58 | dronk | hark: :S |
| 07:23.00 | simonrvn | been a lot of attacks going on lately... |
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| 07:23.17 | hark | not for etch or lenny at least |
| 07:23.21 | dronk | # host svn.madwifi.org |
| 07:23.21 | dronk | Host svn.madwifi.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 07:23.39 | hark | judd: versions madwifi-source |
| 07:23.40 | judd | hark: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 |
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| 07:24.35 | JimBoogie | oi |
| 07:24.35 | hark | oh it's back in sid too |
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| 07:24.35 | dronk | hark: how can I determine what disc it is on and can I get old discs somewhere? |
| 07:24.35 | dronk | I only have disc 1 |
| 07:24.35 | dronk | oh wait |
| 07:24.35 | dronk | I am retarded |
| 07:24.35 | dronk | I have usb |
| 07:24.35 | dronk | well |
| 07:24.39 | dronk | how do I get from a repo? |
| 07:24.40 | dronk | :S |
| 07:24.46 | dronk | I thought etch was no longer supported? |
| 07:25.03 | dronk | I had to install it cause it was the only thing that worked >_< |
| 07:25.14 | dronk | lenny failed and squeeze froze >_< |
| 07:25.28 | simonrvn | lenny released in february... etch is about to go away |
| 07:25.39 | dronk | oh so if I hurry I might still have time? :P |
| 07:25.49 | simonrvn | *maybe* |
| 07:25.53 | dronk | :/ |
| 07:26.28 | dronk | if someone could maybe get me to an http location with etch packages I would be happy happy happy :D (and upgrading to lenny to squeeze shortly after) |
| 07:26.32 | WormFood | http://shop.skype.com/phones/netgear-sph200d-cordless-phone.html <-- I'm confused...why in the fuck is a cordless phone $950? |
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| 07:26.43 | simonrvn | oldstable -> etch |
| 07:26.43 | hark | dronk: archive.debian.org |
| 07:26.48 | simonrvn | dronk: yes you do |
| 07:27.11 | dronk | aaah |
| 07:27.12 | dronk | thanks |
| 07:27.15 | hark | yeah, oldstable ^^ |
| 07:27.17 | simonrvn | dronk: any current repo will do for etch |
| 07:27.23 | dronk | yeah I see that now :O |
| 07:27.30 | dronk | sorry |
| 07:27.37 | dronk | I am just flustered trying to get thiis working a couple day snow |
| 07:27.40 | dronk | days* |
| 07:27.45 | dronk | and then madwifi disappeared |
| 07:27.46 | dronk | :P |
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| 07:28.12 | dronk | thank goodnesss |
| 07:28.16 | dronk | has downloaded the packages |
| 07:28.23 | dronk | thanks a lot for your help |
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| 07:28.49 | SandGorgon | can i use fakeroot to install a deb to a local directory (without sudo or any superuser privileges?) |
| 07:29.44 | dronk | install a deb to a local directory? O_o |
| 07:29.52 | dronk | I don't think you understand :P |
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| 07:30.03 | dronk | try apt-get source maybe and changing the build prefix |
| 07:30.13 | SandGorgon | dronk, using dpkg --root or --instdir |
| 07:30.14 | hark | you can try dpkg with --root=dir or unpack it, but no guarantees especially with package scripts i think |
| 07:30.41 | dronk | only way to be sure would be to build it yourself (and you can build from the debian source package) |
| 07:30.46 | SandGorgon | hark, yup.. the closest thing is to use alien to convert it to tgz |
| 07:30.59 | SandGorgon | dronk, non source deb - third party |
| 07:31.13 | dronk | SandGorgon: oh then just set --prefix and install it :P |
| 07:31.23 | dronk | SandGorgon: also if you want a deb for it checkinstall of course :) |
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| 07:31.46 | SandGorgon | dronk, non administrative access |
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| 07:32.25 | dronk | SandGorgon: ach so; well good luck :P |
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| 07:50.01 | kripz | how do i add an entry for a windows share that requires no authentication in fstab? |
| 07:51.44 | WormFood | kripz, try reading the smbmount manpage |
| 07:52.06 | WormFood | I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure it hands off mounting to smbmount program |
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| 07:57.27 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 07:57.51 | metalfan_ | tcpdump 'udp port 25056' does this capture in/out data to udp port 25056? |
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| 08:09.40 | sway | sad part about it is, it only accomplishes being annoying. |
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| 08:12.35 | manu_zacharia | hi all |
| 08:13.05 | manu_zacharia | i have some issues with squashfs on 2.6.30 |
| 08:13.18 | manu_zacharia | more details available here - http://pastebin.com/m35bb93d5 |
| 08:13.46 | manu_zacharia | i am getting debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... error |
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| 08:18.19 | grazymax | hi all ^â ^ |
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| 08:27.32 | nullie | How can I upload only architecture-independt packages to a repo? |
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| 08:28.31 | sKyDaNcEr | hello |
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| 08:40.54 | Zvpun | how can I compare two binary files? |
| 08:42.30 | sKyDaNcEr | Moin |
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| 08:43.25 | the-dude | Zvpun: man diff |
| 08:45.02 | Zvpun | the-dude: I should add that I want to see the different part and diff -a print as line. |
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| 08:45.07 | WormFood | why is my pulse audio settings grayed out, where I can't select anything? |
| 08:45.30 | WormFood | I mean "PulseAudio Preferences" |
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| 08:49.43 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ. this god damn pulseaudio shit is really pissing me off! I can see that it is playing music, but not a god damn thing is going out to my speakers....vu meters go up and down, but nothing out |
| 08:50.35 | behrad | i rm /usr/share/snmp/mibs : which package must reinstall to recreate these file? |
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| 08:51.19 | bigfoot- | dpkg-query -S /usr/share/snmp/mibs |
| 08:51.26 | ethanol | good mornin' all |
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| 08:52.43 | behrad | bigfoot-, thanks alot |
| 08:53.02 | behrad | :* |
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| 08:53.43 | WormFood | ethanol, you're too late...it is afternoon here (close to evening) |
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| 08:54.08 | ethanol | too late? says who? maybe.... I'm head of you! into the future! |
| 08:54.18 | WormFood | ahead of me? |
| 08:54.30 | WormFood | it is saturday morning where you are? |
| 08:55.13 | ethanol | no it's monday already! |
| 08:55.22 | WormFood | then you're almost a week late |
| 08:57.18 | WormFood | ethanol, you must be really high or something...where are you? Amsterdam? |
| 08:57.38 | ethanol | amsterdam is a 15 min drive from here, yes |
| 08:57.45 | joltcan | :D |
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| 08:57.56 | WormFood | hehehe....I figured if you weren't there, you'd be close...small country overall |
| 08:57.57 | ethanol | is that close enough? |
| 08:58.15 | DeFi | Hi everyone, does anyone know how i can set the same interface to be brought up multiple times at boot? (a PPP interface) |
| 08:58.18 | WormFood | 15 minute drive, and what speed? |
| 08:58.28 | WormFood | I could be there in 15 minutes too....if I drive fast enough :P |
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| 08:58.44 | keex | hello |
| 08:58.49 | ethanol | well |
| 08:58.51 | WormFood | keex, ä½ å¥½ |
| 08:58.58 | ethanol | I got 2 wheels, 1000cc, and 124pk |
| 08:58.58 | ethanol | =D |
| 08:59.09 | WormFood | DeFi, define the "interface" multiple times? |
| 08:59.15 | keex | since when is the default behaviour of "shutdown" to switch to runlevel 1 ?? |
| 08:59.32 | WormFood | keex, since you set it that way. |
| 08:59.40 | WormFood | it has always been that way |
| 08:59.45 | keex | WormFood, I cannot remember ever doing so |
| 08:59.47 | WormFood | init 6 is reboot, and init 1 is shutdown |
| 08:59.51 | DeFi | WormFood, i want to bring it up 10 times, if i define it and its pre-up and post-up scripts 10 times, that will be a bit messy... |
| 08:59.53 | WormFood | you didn't know that? |
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| 09:00.04 | keex | WormFood, no... :( |
| 09:00.20 | WormFood | keex, now you do know, and any day you learn something new, isn't a wasted day ;P |
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| 09:00.34 | keex | WormFood, has this ALWAYS been this way ? |
| 09:00.40 | WormFood | I'm sorry, init 0 is shutdown |
| 09:00.44 | WormFood | init 1 is single user |
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| 09:00.52 | WormFood | my bad |
| 09:00.55 | WormFood | that is normal |
| 09:01.12 | WormFood | I never run the shutdown or reboot commands, I just do an "init 0" or "init 6" |
| 09:01.49 | DeFi | i guess i could just make an init.d script to use pon to do it :/ |
| 09:02.18 | keex | WormFood, ok, then that IS what i knew and assumed. yesterday i did a scheduled shutdown to find that it simply switched the runlevels... i did "shutdown 22:00" |
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| 09:03.44 | WormFood | keex, are you sure you don't have an alias set to modify how it works? |
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| 09:04.07 | keex | WormFood, hmm, i never checked that |
| 09:04.26 | ethanol | DeFi: why would you want to do that 10 times? |
| 09:04.47 | DeFi | ethanol: because i need 10 PPP connections connected? |
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| 09:05.07 | ethanol | create virtual interfaces? |
| 09:05.11 | WormFood | DeFi, you're running 10 modems or serial interfaces? |
| 09:05.13 | ethanol | eth0:1 eth0:2, etc |
| 09:05.29 | DeFi | 10 PPP connections via PPPOE to an ISP |
| 09:05.40 | DeFi | dont want virtual interfaces |
| 09:05.49 | ethanol | then you dont get 10 connections |
| 09:05.50 | ethanol | bye |
| 09:05.53 | WormFood | you have 10 network interfaces? |
| 09:06.01 | DeFi | huh? |
| 09:06.11 | DeFi | as i said, 10 PPPOE connections |
| 09:06.21 | WormFood | you sound confused |
| 09:06.21 | DeFi | which are network interfaces |
| 09:06.30 | WormFood | pppoe is logical |
| 09:06.39 | DeFi | yes |
| 09:06.46 | DeFi | and im not confused 1 bit |
| 09:06.53 | WormFood | you can run 10 pppoe over a single network interface, but why? it makes no sense |
| 09:06.55 | niklaswe | hmm what is c100.php is that any trojan or =? |
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| 09:07.09 | DeFi | so that i get 10 different ip addresses WormFood |
| 09:07.12 | ethanol | niklaswe: open it with an editor? |
| 09:07.17 | WormFood | you ARE confused |
| 09:07.21 | WormFood | ever heard of "routing"? |
| 09:07.28 | ethanol | DeFi: then you do need virtual interfaces :< |
| 09:07.32 | DeFi | they are all then routed correctly and then a script of mine binds to whichever ones it needs |
| 09:07.42 | DeFi | and i NOT confused WormFood. |
| 09:07.44 | WormFood | yes, also what ethanol said, you'll need 10 virtual interfaces |
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| 09:07.49 | DeFi | aam* |
| 09:07.52 | DeFi | am** |
| 09:07.53 | niklaswe | ethanol: i dont have on my server, i got a question about it |
| 09:08.03 | DeFi | why do i need 10 virtual interfaces? |
| 09:08.05 | WormFood | how do you expect to have 10 IPs without at least 10 interfaces, real or virtual? |
| 09:08.05 | ethanol | niklaswe: uh, then we cannot tell you |
| 09:08.09 | DeFi | when 10 PPP interfaces work fine |
| 09:08.28 | WormFood | it creates the virtual interface when the pppoe instance is brought up |
| 09:08.32 | niklaswe | ethanol: okey :P |
| 09:08.33 | ethanol | DeFi: you sir, are dense and obtuse. please google, if you are not satisfied with our answer. |
| 09:08.52 | WormFood | you may also need to check the kernel, and make sure it is setup to handle 10 pppoe interfaces |
| 09:08.54 | DeFi | what the hell is wrong with you people :/ |
| 09:09.03 | DeFi | im not some random linux newbie |
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| 09:09.07 | ethanol | DeFi: we could return the question |
| 09:09.12 | DeFi | i know exactly what im doing, and it works |
| 09:09.18 | ethanol | then why are you even here? |
| 09:09.18 | WormFood | DeFi, it sounds like you don't understand the unix philosophy |
| 09:09.23 | DeFi | i asked a simple question which i got a complicated answer for |
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| 09:09.34 | ethanol | what is so complicated about virtual interfaces? |
| 09:09.36 | ethanol | they're easy as pie |
| 09:09.40 | ethanol | can't get more easier than that |
| 09:09.46 | WormFood | simple questions do not always have simple answers |
| 09:09.56 | DeFi | but the PPP connections create their own virtual interfaces... |
| 09:10.04 | DeFi | why would i want to manually create them? |
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| 09:10.48 | ethanol | I'm not saying you would want to do that |
| 09:10.51 | ethanol | I'm saying I would do that |
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| 09:10.54 | ethanol | shrugs |
| 09:11.02 | DeFi | why would you ethanol? |
| 09:11.07 | DeFi | what would the point be? |
| 09:11.13 | ethanol | easy to manage |
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| 09:12.03 | WormFood | I would suggest creating the virtual ethernet interfaces, and route the 10 IPs to your computer over a single pppoe connection, so you're not wasting bandwidth with additional pppoe overhead |
| 09:12.17 | DeFi | that will not work. |
| 09:12.28 | DeFi | the PPP connections get given dynamic IP's |
| 09:12.44 | WormFood | then why would you want 10 IPs, if they're all dynamic? |
| 09:12.47 | keex | WormFood, i can't figure it out... anyway, I'll just add the "-h" flag from now on, and I think, this will do the trick |
| 09:12.48 | ethanol | who deals in dymanic? |
| 09:12.55 | ethanol | dynamic even |
| 09:12.56 | keex | WormFood, thanks |
| 09:12.58 | DeFi | the ISP... |
| 09:13.03 | ethanol | get a new isp |
| 09:13.10 | DeFi | im in South Africa |
| 09:13.18 | WormFood | so? |
| 09:13.18 | DeFi | all IPs are semi dynamic |
| 09:13.19 | ethanol | they have internet there? |
| 09:13.25 | DeFi | :| |
| 09:13.25 | WormFood | I'm in China...what difference does that make? |
| 09:13.36 | DeFi | that you have 1Gbps internet |
| 09:13.43 | WormFood | where are you ethanol? on the moon? ;) |
| 09:13.44 | DeFi | and i have crappy old adsl |
| 09:13.49 | ethanol | WormFood: netherlands |
| 09:14.02 | ikonia | !info bind |
| 09:14.04 | WormFood | hehehe... ethanol...I KNOW...it was a joke |
| 09:14.07 | ethanol | DeFi: well 99% of adsl over here is static :p |
| 09:14.08 | ikonia | dpkg: help |
| 09:14.27 | WormFood | in usa, and in China, most of it is dynamic....in usa I pay for a static IP |
| 09:14.28 | DeFi | im sure it is, you're lucky you dont live in a third world country. |
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| 09:14.34 | ethanol | DeFi: very true |
| 09:14.35 | ikonia | what's the dpkg bot command to show the current bind package in lenny ? |
| 09:14.47 | WormFood | yeah, both usa and china qualify as 3rd world countries now |
| 09:14.58 | DeFi | our president is a corrupt, fraudulent, rapist |
| 09:14.59 | petemc | ikonia: /msg dpkg info bind9 |
| 09:15.05 | ikonia | petemc: thank you |
| 09:15.09 | DeFi | and you expect us to get static ips... |
| 09:15.12 | DeFi | :/ |
| 09:15.12 | WormFood | DeFi, you got bush as president now? |
| 09:15.19 | ethanol | hey now |
| 09:15.23 | DeFi | much much worse... |
| 09:15.24 | ethanol | bush was pretty good if you ask me |
| 09:15.29 | ethanol | oh wait no |
| 09:15.31 | petemc | ikonia: judd also does package info |
| 09:15.33 | ethanol | I confuse him with clinton |
| 09:15.35 | ethanol | clinton was good |
| 09:15.38 | ethanol | bush was an ape |
| 09:15.47 | jelly | ethanol: #debian-offtopic |
| 09:15.56 | ethanol | jelly: my bad |
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| 09:16.08 | DeFi | http://www.bluebooknews.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jacob-zuma.jpg |
| 09:16.14 | ethanol | jelly: now that you are awake though, care to comment on the 10 pppoe connections issue? |
| 09:16.14 | DeFi | that is our president... |
| 09:16.22 | WormFood | ä½ å¥½ ManateeLazyCat |
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| 09:16.34 | DeFi | anyway, im gonna use a python script to handle connections, thanks anyway... |
| 09:16.40 | sway | yay |
| 09:17.29 | jelly | ethanol: nothing useful to add. |
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| 09:17.51 | ethanol | DeFi: good luck then I guess |
| 09:17.53 | Zitter | hi, how to know which binaries are installed by a pkg? |
| 09:18.01 | EvilGenius | How can i add VNC Server to system startup ? (So i don't need to do #tightvncserver everytime) |
| 09:18.25 | WormFood | EvilGenius, there is about 50 different ways to do that |
| 09:18.41 | EvilGenius | I just need 1 :p |
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| 09:19.12 | ethanol | EvilGenius: I think a logical place would be in the ifup/ifdown scripts. unless you just want it up constantly |
| 09:19.14 | WormFood | you can add it to inittab, you can add it to a startup script, you can add it to /etc/init* directories....those are probably the most common ways |
| 09:19.46 | EvilGenius | Its a server so VNC needs to up always for instant access. |
| 09:20.33 | WormFood | that sounds evil, but not genius |
| 09:20.49 | WormFood | EvilGenius, I'm guessing you're coming from a winblows background |
| 09:20.55 | ethanol | EvilGenius: ssh > vnc |
| 09:20.58 | ethanol | just for the record |
| 09:21.12 | WormFood | ssh and screen > * |
| 09:21.13 | EvilGenius | i know. but thats how it has to be... since i have 2 users who need gui access, they're too dumb with command.s |
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| 09:21.32 | sway | dumb? |
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| 09:21.37 | ethanol | remote login > vnc |
| 09:21.38 | WormFood | see....that is the problem with users....they want to do things, but don't want to learn how to do them |
| 09:21.50 | EvilGenius | been using debian for 2 yrs on server, and also @ home as 2nd OS. |
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| 09:22.23 | WormFood | I've been using Linux as servers and desktops for about 15 years...whats your point? |
| 09:22.45 | jelly | EvilGenius: make their own vnc start when from their login scripts? |
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| 09:23.00 | rvsjoen | dumb users ? now thats breaking news |
| 09:23.02 | jelly | EvilGenius: so they'd have to ssh in first, then vnc. |
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| 09:23.13 | EvilGenius | Hm..nice idea.. |
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| 09:23.38 | elli2 | Hi, I want to set up symlinks in /dev to support older apps, (eg, /dev/dvd2 > /dev/dvd) but it seems that /dev is a tempfs, and i know nothing about udev rules |
| 09:23.42 | EvilGenius | oh and, thanks^^ |
| 09:23.57 | WormFood | the difference between windows and linux is....windows is easy to learn, but hard to use....linux is hard to learn, but easy to use. |
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| 09:24.45 | WormFood | any idea why pulse audio can't find my hardware output device? |
| 09:24.46 | EvilGenius | Console is a very damn powerful thing. :) |
| 09:25.06 | WormFood | EvilGenius, I was using console probably before you were born |
| 09:25.30 | EvilGenius | so you been using linux for 19 years? |
| 09:25.31 | simonrvn | WormFood: check dmesg. i get that sometimes, i re-modprobe the drivers to get it back. |
| 09:25.47 | sway | WormFood: how old is your oldest digital data? |
| 09:25.58 | WormFood | I didn't say that EvilGenius, but I've been using linux and linux-like OSes since the mid-late 80s |
| 09:26.06 | WormFood | sway, I have some printouts from the 80s |
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| 09:26.12 | elli2 | suggestion: use pactl to load the alsa modules |
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| 09:26.32 | sway | WormFood: thank you |
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| 09:26.35 | WormFood | oldest digital data is from the mid 80s (that is my personal data)....I have media from the early 80s |
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| 09:26.50 | sway | that's impressive |
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| 09:27.02 | WormFood | no...I have data older than that |
| 09:27.06 | WormFood | I have a few boxes of paper tape |
| 09:27.19 | sway | what's that? |
| 09:27.22 | WormFood | hahahaha |
| 09:27.28 | elli2 | lol paper tape. I have a reader for that |
| 09:27.35 | loiseau | hi |
| 09:27.39 | WormFood | that predates floppy drives....loooong strips of paper with holes punched in it |
| 09:27.44 | loiseau | need help on postgresql |
| 09:27.47 | EvilGenius | I just have windows for games n stuff, no other reason lol. |
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| 09:27.59 | sway | amazing |
| 09:28.05 | elli2 | wait, who was having problems with pulseaudio again? |
| 09:28.07 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape |
| 09:28.08 | EvilGenius | but, will get a laptop soon and put linux on it. |
| 09:28.11 | loiseau | how could i convert the encoding to UTF-8? |
| 09:28.14 | WormFood | elli2, it is me |
| 09:28.24 | acidchild | can you install netbsd on a long strip of paper with holes in it? =] |
| 09:28.31 | elli2 | I had a similar problem, its easy to fix, though |
| 09:28.37 | WormFood | acidchild, it is not random access, so no |
| 09:28.44 | elli2 | (thats if your running sid) |
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| 09:29.02 | WormFood | yeah, of course I'm running sid ;) |
| 09:29.04 | acidchild | WormFood: wurd. |
| 09:29.24 | WormFood | or as I call it, "unusable"....because it breaks almost every time I upgrade it, if I wait any length of time between updates. |
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| 09:29.57 | acidchild | debian breaking? wut you serious :P |
| 09:29.57 | elli2 | i presume your using the latest PA? |
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| 09:30.13 | WormFood | I have computer magazines going back to the late 1970s (not mine, given to me by a friend...my personal computer magazine collection started in the early 1980s) |
| 09:30.22 | WormFood | yes |
| 09:30.33 | WormFood | pulseaudio 0.9.19 |
| 09:30.34 | acidchild | before i was born. |
| 09:30.38 | acidchild | how does that make you feel? |
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| 09:30.39 | acidchild | =] |
| 09:30.41 | elli2 | right, purge the pulseaudio-module-hal package |
| 09:30.47 | WormFood | experienced |
| 09:30.55 | sway | tips hat |
| 09:30.57 | acidchild | haha |
| 09:31.11 | WormFood | I have more experience and knowledge in my little finger than you have in your whole body, sonny boy ;) |
| 09:31.20 | acidchild | i still have to ask mommy to reach for the crackers on the shelf. |
| 09:31.39 | WormFood | anyways....what fix you got for me for pulseaudio? |
| 09:31.46 | elli2 | the code for that package is compatibility code with older configs, but the compatibility code is broken |
| 09:31.47 | WormFood | I'm too lazy to google too much ;P |
| 09:32.16 | elli2 | ok, purge pulseaudio's HAL module package |
| 09:32.19 | WormFood | Package pulseaudio-module-hal is not installed, so not removed |
| 09:32.29 | elli2 | ...right |
| 09:32.38 | WormFood | sorry, I missed when you said that the first time |
| 09:32.53 | elli2 | now search all the files in /etc/pulse for the HAL module |
| 09:33.10 | WormFood | acidchild, sway, I bought my first modem in 1985, and my first computer in 1986... |
| 09:33.33 | sway | you had a modem with no computer? |
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| 09:33.36 | acidchild | my first was a 133mhz intel thingi... so that gives you an idea when i started |
| 09:33.39 | sway | did you beatbox into it? |
| 09:34.00 | elli2 | replace all instances of module-hal-detect with module-udev-detect |
| 09:34.06 | sway | pardon |
| 09:34.38 | elli2 | then restart pulseaudio |
| 09:34.47 | elli2 | that fixed it for me anyway |
| 09:34.48 | WormFood | no sway, I was using a modem, and it was struck by lightning, so I bought a new modem to use |
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| 09:35.13 | WormFood | a blazing 300 baud...it was really cool, because it was direct-connect....but not auto-dial |
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| 09:35.29 | elli2 | I still have a thinwire connection in my room |
| 09:35.31 | WormFood | pick up phone, dial number, wait for carrier, push on-line button on modem, hang up phone |
| 09:35.43 | sway | SIGHUP |
| 09:35.56 | sway | i learned that from the instruction booklet |
| 09:36.07 | sway | well, wikipedia helped, too |
| 09:36.21 | elli2 | SIG|HUP is the restart signal, aint it? |
| 09:36.29 | elli2 | *SIGHUP |
| 09:37.06 | sway | i think it can be a restart signal since it can be handled, but i use it to kill things |
| 09:37.22 | elli2 | SIGTERM is better for killing things |
| 09:37.38 | sway | why? |
| 09:37.38 | elli2 | SIGKILL should only be used in bad cases |
| 09:38.27 | WormFood | does not seem to work |
| 09:38.42 | azeem | sway: SIGTERM gives the application the possibility to exit gracefully if it wants |
| 09:38.46 | WormFood | no, SIGHUP is "hang up" |
| 09:39.01 | sway | azeem: thank you |
| 09:39.10 | WormFood | it will kill most programs, but many programs capture SIGHUP, and use it to reread the config files and such |
| 09:39.31 | WormFood | it depends on the program |
| 09:40.03 | WormFood | yeah, try to kill it normally first, so the program can clean up |
| 09:40.03 | WormFood | if not, then I kill it with -9 |
| 09:40.09 | elli2 | hmm, try pactl load-module alsa-card alsa-sink alsa-source |
| 09:40.13 | WormFood | elli2, didn't work |
| 09:40.23 | sway | what's the kill # for SIGTERM? |
| 09:40.34 | azeem | kill |
| 09:40.35 | elli2 | SIGTERM is the default |
| 09:40.46 | sway | thank you |
| 09:40.47 | WormFood | acidchild, my first computer was 0.89 MHz, MC6809E, with 64k of ram, and a tape drive |
| 09:41.24 | elli2 | but, the number is 15 if you need to know |
| 09:41.43 | sway | elli2: man. where'd you find that? |
| 09:41.52 | elli2 | man kill |
| 09:41.57 | elli2 | ... |
| 09:42.09 | sway | elli2: gracias |
| 09:42.33 | elli2 | WormFood, did the manual module loading work? |
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| 09:48.16 | WormFood | Failure: Module initalization failed |
| 09:48.21 | WormFood | E: module.c: Failed to open module "alsa-card": file not found |
| 09:48.55 | WormFood | elli2, that is what I get |
| 09:49.08 | elli2 | hmm |
| 09:49.46 | elli2 | sorry, all those alsa-* modules were suppost to be module-alsa-* |
| 09:49.55 | elli2 | Just woke up |
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| 09:52.13 | WormFood | ok elli2...I discovered that just playing around....and can't include them all on the same line |
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| 09:53.08 | WormFood | holy shit! that seems to work! |
| 09:53.25 | elli2 | wait, whad device is PA using? |
| 09:53.35 | elli2 | (i think i've cracked it) |
| 09:53.50 | elli2 | is it using dmix by any chance? |
| 09:53.55 | WormFood | not sure |
| 09:53.58 | WormFood | how would I check? |
| 09:54.05 | WormFood | I have read about problems with dmix |
| 09:54.12 | elli2 | pactl stats |
| 09:54.20 | WormFood | no |
| 09:54.24 | WormFood | not right |
| 09:54.30 | elli2 | uh, pactl stat |
| 09:54.32 | WormFood | stat |
| 09:54.40 | WormFood | yeah....I just need a hint ;) |
| 09:55.01 | WormFood | I see no reference to dmix |
| 09:55.09 | elli2 | hmm |
| 09:55.25 | elli2 | then why isnt PA autoloading alsa for your sound card? |
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| 09:56.01 | WormFood | no clue |
| 09:56.05 | WormFood | pa is new to me |
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| 09:56.24 | elli2 | can you kill it and run it with pulseaudio -vvvv and look for anything suspicious |
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| 09:56.32 | WormFood | hold on |
| 09:56.39 | WormFood | I'm running it from the command line now |
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| 09:57.27 | _darren_ | anyone know why trying to install 'ssh' in lenny wants to install x11-common as well? |
| 09:58.03 | elli2 | rofl. Debian package fail |
| 09:58.04 | azeem | _darren_: for X forwarding I guess |
| 09:58.17 | _darren_ | seems a little random to me, I want an ssh server, not unnecessary crap :) |
| 09:58.27 | elli2 | it should be a suggest, not a depend |
| 09:58.30 | azeem | _darren_: skip Recommends then |
| 09:58.59 | _darren_ | I can skip, .. off to manual ! |
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| 09:59.15 | azeem | _darren_: ? |
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| 09:59.25 | elli2 | WormFood, ill BRB, ircII os a little limited in comparison to xchat. |
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| 09:59.53 | _darren_ | azeem, I don't know the syntax to skip a dependency, am trying to look it up |
| 09:59.59 | randomz | I got a question I have debian running in vmware, I just resided the virtual partition and it shows its' bigger what do I have to do in debian to make it recognize the bigger partition |
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| 10:00.15 | azeem | _darren_: it's a recommends, not dependency |
| 10:00.17 | randomz | resided oops meant to say resized the partition |
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| 10:00.39 | elli222 | k, im back :P |
| 10:00.45 | _darren_ | azeem, not for me, it's under the following packages will be installed section. |
| 10:00.47 | azeem | _darren_: try something like "apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends=0 openssh-client" |
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| 10:00.56 | azeem | _darren_: because recommends get installed by default |
| 10:01.15 | elli222 | you could install it and remove it later |
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| 10:02.29 | _darren_ | member:apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends=0 ssh ... much better, now I'm only installing openssh-blacklist and openssh-server, thanks |
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| 10:03.13 | azeem | _darren_: in any case, xauth isn't "crap" |
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| 10:04.09 | _darren_ | well no, but if you're trying to make a hardened box, anything that isn't required comes under the term 'crap' :) X is quite useful, if you need/want it |
| 10:04.50 | tripoux | hello all, I'm wondering what is the difference between linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package ? 2.6.26-2 is not an upgrade they seems to be independant packages |
| 10:04.57 | azeem | _darren_: it's *not* X |
| 10:05.04 | azeem | but anyway |
| 10:06.26 | _darren_ | azeem, still x11-common and xauth could be suggested rather than recommended packages, don't you think? |
| 10:06.35 | azeem | no |
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| 10:21.03 | r3pek | hi guys |
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| 10:22.19 | r3pek | anyone know anything about br2684ctl? |
| 10:24.59 | mhymn | !speedtouch 330 |
| 10:25.00 | dpkg | The SpeedTouch 330 (formerly the SpeedTouch USB) is an ADSL modem. Requires non-free firmware and configuration for use on Debian systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/Speedtouch330 and http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ . br2684ctl is packaged for Debian. |
| 10:25.28 | tarzeau | does someone have very new computers with very new intel nics that don't work with debian lenny, nor with debian kmuto lenny? |
| 10:25.40 | acidchild | Winkie: 3 |
| 10:25.43 | acidchild | oops |
| 10:26.00 | r3pek | mhymn: i don't have a speedtouch |
| 10:26.10 | r3pek | and the problem is really _in_ br2684ctl |
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| 10:27.42 | mhymn | r3pek: you said anyone knows anything and i found that factoid i thought it might be helpful... |
| 10:27.56 | mhymn | r3pek: /msg dpkg ask |
| 10:27.58 | r3pek | thx anyway :) |
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| 10:46.07 | hellfire | hi there |
| 10:46.19 | hellfire | is there anyone using debian unstable with gnome? |
| 10:46.56 | tarzeau | not with gnome, here |
| 10:47.00 | hellfire | because i have a problem with automounting on debian unstable with gnome |
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| 10:47.30 | hellfire | the problem is not that just autounting does not work in gnome |
| 10:47.47 | hellfire | right now i cannot mount anything in gnome - i have to use the terminal |
| 10:47.58 | hellfire | however in testing it works fine |
| 10:48.20 | hellfire | i suspect that it may be and issue with gvfs but i`m not sure |
| 10:48.21 | macrobat | is it gnome-volume-manager that is suåpposed to do the mounting |
| 10:48.24 | macrobat | ? |
| 10:48.33 | marcriera | Hello people. I have an apt-keys problem. subkeys.pgp.net is not responding. What I must do? |
| 10:48.41 | tarzeau | macrobat: yes |
| 10:48.55 | hellfire | i think that indeed gnome volume-manager is supposed to do the mounting |
| 10:49.02 | macrobat | marcriera: maybe try another key server |
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| 10:49.37 | marcriera | macrobat: there are others? JO JO JO: ^_^ . Where i find them? |
| 10:49.43 | hellfire | but gnome-volume-manager is the same version in testing and unstable |
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| 10:50.33 | hellfire | also i found a thread in the sidux forums that links the problem with mounting to gvfs |
| 10:50.45 | hellfire | by the description it looks like my problem |
| 10:50.54 | mastro | had to install oracle 10.2.0.3 enterprise 64bit version on Debian (amd64) stable. Any guide/link? thanks |
| 10:52.58 | hellfire | i have tow more problems with GNOME - when i try to access the preferences for nautilus (via Edit->Preferences) it crashes and also the gnome-keybinding-properties does not work - it just doesn`t start |
| 10:53.19 | hellfire | i get a segmentation fault |
| 10:53.23 | hellfire | any ides? |
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| 10:57.09 | macrobat | i looked a bit at the bugs page, maybe there is relevant stuff there: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=gnome-volume-manager |
| 10:57.17 | macrobat | idk, hellfire |
| 10:58.03 | hellfire | thanks for the help, macrobat |
| 10:58.22 | hellfire | looking for the bugs in gnome-volume-manager was the first thing i did |
| 10:58.29 | hellfire | i just couldn`t find any relevance |
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| 10:58.44 | hellfire | there was a bug about automounting but it was too old |
| 10:59.25 | hellfire | besides the problem is not just with automounting it is with mounting at all - i just can`t mount cds, dvds, sd cards and so on through gnome or nautilus |
| 10:59.43 | macrobat | maybe some hal bug |
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| 11:00.22 | macrobat | seems the "open preferences" bug is solved. have you updated lately? |
| 11:00.42 | hellfire | besides hal and gnome-volume-manager are the same versions in both testing and unstable |
| 11:00.47 | hellfire | i am in testing right now |
| 11:00.53 | hellfire | it may be solved in unstable |
| 11:01.08 | marcriera | macrobat: I'm getting this error now, with another server. gpg: key 55BE302B: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed |
| 11:01.18 | hellfire | i normally use unstable but the problem with mounting is a pretty serious problem |
| 11:02.44 | marcriera | I've posted my key problem here : http://pastebin.com/d624301c3 |
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| 11:03.30 | war9407 | hello, does anyone here use rdesktop to a windows box? a long time ago sound use to work (-r sound:local) but now it no longer does |
| 11:03.35 | mhymn | mastro: http://www.linuxinsight.com/oracle10g_on_debian.html |
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| 11:04.35 | mastro | mhymn: that article is from 2004, is it still valid? |
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| 11:06.00 | mhymn | mastro: i see your point there, worth reading even if it's outdated imo |
| 11:06.28 | mastro | mhymn: ok.. I was reading (and following) this one: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.html |
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| 11:20.05 | flower | the echo command can I just use a root like this? |
| 11:20.07 | flower | echo @audio - rtprio 99 >> /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 11:20.24 | flower | the same for adding stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:20.37 | flower | *as root |
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| 11:22.01 | bezaban | yeah flower, just make sure you don't miss a ">" |
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| 11:23.33 | flower | bezaban: ok thanks |
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| 11:26.01 | flower | how do I make a file excecutable from konsole? |
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| 11:27.16 | jelly | flower: chmod +x filename. Also /msg dpkg permissions |
| 11:27.49 | flower | thanks |
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| 11:40.31 | flower | I want to help a friend with a install with some scripts. its slightly OT but you may want to check if this done right so far |
| 11:40.32 | flower | http://pastebin.com/m60658c41 |
| 11:41.40 | flower | mmh I think I get a problem when running this, cause it will ask for confirmation... |
| 11:42.23 | rvsjoen | you should use aptitude |
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| 11:43.15 | flower | why? |
| 11:43.29 | savage- | is the release date still the 28th for karma? |
| 11:43.30 | savage- | !karma |
| 11:43.30 | dpkg | savage- has neutral karma |
| 11:43.57 | rvsjoen | flower: among other things, it marks dependencies as being automatically installed |
| 11:44.24 | LobbyZ | Hey, how do i setup MRTG? |
| 11:44.41 | flower | rvsjoen: also on Ubuntu? |
| 11:44.44 | rvsjoen | do /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 11:45.15 | flower | rvsjoen: on debian I use aptitude, but on ubuntu synaptic uses apt-get, so... |
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| 11:47.51 | rvsjoen | i'd still use aptitude |
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| 12:00.47 | lsd | i know this is offtopic, but does anybody know of any freenode channels where they discuss linux kernel networking development? |
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| 12:05.39 | flower | can someone check this script, especially the aptitude commands? |
| 12:05.41 | flower | http://pastebin.com/m2e5628d3 |
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| 12:07.58 | hark | flower: wrong channel |
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| 12:08.36 | eisr | hi |
| 12:09.04 | eisr | i have a new pc with two hdds and wan to setup a deb system with encrypted lvm over both disks |
| 12:09.23 | eisr | but the installer gives me only possibility to choose one disk |
| 12:09.34 | rca | if anyone has tried installing the rmagick ruby gem, i'd be very interested in the results :) it seems that graphicsmagick does not suply MagickWand.h (or other Wand headers), so the gem can't be installed |
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| 12:11.42 | hyperzid | What does "wrr persistent 900" in ipvsadm -l mean? |
| 12:11.48 | rca | and what could be the reason that libmagick9-dev is the dev package for libmagick10? |
| 12:11.55 | rca | it used to be that libmagick9 and libmagick9-dev existed |
| 12:14.51 | flower | hark: I'm using Debian here, but the script is for Ubuntu yes, but I think here they now a lot about aptitude... so right channel I think ;) |
| 12:14.55 | hark | rca: libmagickwand-dev? |
| 12:15.27 | flower | hark: it's for a friend, he wants to use Ubuntu... |
| 12:16.03 | rca | hark: that doesn't exist in lenny |
| 12:16.19 | rca | it seems that lenny has fallen between some weird graphicsmagick/imagemagick migration situation |
| 12:16.33 | rca | and now it only half works because the other half is always missing |
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| 12:32.27 | WormFood | god damn it! I can't get sound to work in vmware...I've finally gotten pulseaudio working....I tried running vmware with padsp, but to no avail....anyone know what needs to be done? |
| 12:33.25 | _nofear | hi guys. I was just tailing my server's /var/log/messages and I could see this message: Warning only 4GB will be used. Use a HIGHMEM64G enabled kernel. Put that on Google and I found that I should install a new kernel 686-bigmem, which apt-search found (linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem). I would like to confirm if that's the right move or if I have to do something else. |
| 12:35.02 | stew | _nofear: what cpu do you have? how much memory do you have? |
| 12:35.23 | _nofear | stew: gonna pastie it, just a sec |
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| 12:36.57 | ripps | How long does it take to process an itp bugreport? It said within an hour, it's been several |
| 12:37.19 | stew | ripps: usually closer to 30 minutes than an hour |
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| 12:37.42 | ripps | stew: what happend to mine then? |
| 12:38.09 | stew | ripps: i don't know. have you checked your outbound queue? |
| 12:38.14 | stew | ripps: what package was it for? |
| 12:38.25 | ripps | stew: I'm making libxspf package |
| 12:38.46 | ripps | Also I want to adopt uriparser, as I've made an updated package that libxspf needed |
| 12:39.12 | ripps | stew: I filed the itp using reportbug |
| 12:39.15 | stew | hmm, is bugs.debian.org down? |
| 12:39.27 | stew | ripps: did you check your outbound queue? |
| 12:39.46 | ripps | stew: for what? |
| 12:39.47 | _nofear | stew: http://pastebin.com/m40520b40. If you need any other info let me know |
| 12:39.49 | the-dude | stew: no |
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| 12:40.12 | stew | ripps: the bug report is sent via email. it sounds like perhaps the email was never sent |
| 12:40.47 | Martin_vW | Hello. How do Debian Point Releases work? Will our lenny servers automatically upgrade to the most recent point release, or is manual configuration necessary to get the newest version? |
| 12:40.50 | ripps | stew: well report bug submitted it, and it looked it went fine. I didn't receive any errors |
| 12:41.23 | stew | Martin_vW: as long as you have a line in sources.list for security.debian.org you'll be up to date with the point releases |
| 12:41.53 | stew | ripps: so it got to your mta. did you mta send it to debian? have you checked your mta's outbound queue? |
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| 12:42.40 | stew | the-dude: i'm not sure what you are saying "no" to |
| 12:42.50 | Martin_vW | stew: Ah, yes, the line is there. I did think though that a point release contains also important bug fixed, while security.debian.org contains only security updates, that's why I'm asking. |
| 12:42.53 | the-dude | stew: that it is not down |
| 12:43.01 | ripps | stew: just so you know, I'm in Ubuntu, not debian. But I've submitted packages to debian from ubuntu before. However, this was my first time using reportbug to do it. |
| 12:43.01 | Martin_vW | *important bug fixes |
| 12:43.35 | stew | Martin_vW: the point release is just "we've taken all the things that people have been getting via secuirty.dbian.org and put them on a cd" |
| 12:43.50 | Martin_vW | stew: Ah, ok, thanks for that information. |
| 12:44.04 | stew | the-dude: oh right, thanks :) |
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| 12:52.10 | _nofear | stew: you think it's ok to install the linux kernel 686-bigmem? given the server configuration, of course |
| 12:53.22 | stew | _nofear: bah, sorry, i forgot about you. 686-bigmem would work. the amd64 kerenl would probably be better. "bigmem" comes at a performance cost. the amd64 kernel is 64 bit and naturally can address much more memory |
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| 12:54.23 | _nofear | stew: but in that case should I reinstall the whole thing or I can just install an amd64 kernel? |
| 12:54.36 | stew | _nofear: you can install just an amd64 kernel |
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| 12:55.01 | _nofear | stew: ah great. Thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 12:55.14 | stew | judd: versions linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 12:55.14 | judd | stew: linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.30+21 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 |
| 12:55.26 | riz_ | Hello. Can be this problem http://pastebin.com/m19d2ff04 depends from libc? How to try to solve it? Thanks. |
| 12:55.30 | stew | _nofear: ^^ the i386 arch has amd64 kernels (for your situation) |
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| 12:55.52 | _nofear | stew: Great. I'll give it a try then. Thanks again |
| 12:56.13 | Wyzard | riz_: That's a bug in compiz |
| 12:56.14 | hyperzid | Anyone good at ipvsadm? |
| 12:56.33 | riz_ | Wyzard already know? |
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| 12:56.46 | Wyzard | riz_: No idea; check the BTS |
| 12:56.51 | Wyzard | riz_: I don't use compiz |
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| 12:58.49 | riz_ | Wyzard seems doesn't. |
| 12:58.53 | Titan8990 | riz_, how did you install compiz? |
| 12:59.14 | stew | riz_: what are you running? karmic? |
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| 12:59.34 | riz_ | Titan8990 with apt-get. |
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| 13:00.01 | riz_ | stew a normally wme like gnome |
| 13:00.17 | stew | riz_: what does "apt-cache policy compiz" ssy for "Installed:" ? |
| 13:00.36 | Titan8990 | riz_, from what repo? |
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| 13:00.46 | Titan8990 | im, slow today |
| 13:01.24 | riz_ | stew I can't check now because the remote machine is down but I remember ii compiz 0.8.2-6 |
| 13:01.37 | riz_ | Titan8990 the official debian one. |
| 13:01.41 | riz_ | (sid) |
| 13:02.23 | Titan8990 | riz_, and it doesn't work? thats about right for sid.... are you running sid or did you just pull compiz from the sid repos? |
| 13:02.48 | Titan8990 | judd, versions compiz |
| 13:02.49 | judd | Titan8990: compiz -- etch: 0.2.2-1 etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.8.2-6 squeeze: 0.8.2-6 |
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| 13:03.06 | riz_ | Titan8990 for me, doesn't. |
| 13:03.37 | Titan8990 | riz_, i am saying that is not unusual for something comming from the unstable repo |
| 13:03.48 | riz_ | I used the ufficial debian repo. |
| 13:04.00 | riz_ | Titan8990 :( I'm not lucky! |
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| 13:04.28 | Titan8990 | riz_, there are branches to the debian repo, stable, testing and unstable.... you can't fix branches |
| 13:04.51 | tnt_ | Hi. I'm trying to rebuild the kernel-package .deb but when cloning the git tree at git://git.debian.org/~srivasta/debian/kernel-package.git , the 'debian' directory is empty, any idea why it's not in the git ? |
| 13:05.12 | riz_ | stew this is from last login on the machine: http://pastebin.com/m45e6f26a |
| 13:05.44 | riz_ | Titan8990 I can trying the 0.8.4 version of compiz from source |
| 13:06.43 | riz_ | (or check for another repositort that contain it) |
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| 13:07.44 | iv_s_ | how to increase inode count on root partition? |
| 13:08.06 | zinx | make more files/directories |
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| 13:08.21 | zinx | or if you want more available, delete more files/directories |
| 13:08.38 | zinx | (or make a new filesystem that has a number more to your liking :P ) |
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| 13:09.30 | setuid | Which package contains the standard 'mail(1)' binary? |
| 13:09.37 | Martin_vW | stew: But I'm right about security.debian.org, that we will get only security fixes and no bug fixes? Because we have found a bug in the useradd command (bug #552006) that keeps us from upgrading 400 servers to lenny, and I'd like to know if this can get fixed in lenny. |
| 13:09.53 | abrotman | !tell setuid about search |
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| 13:09.54 | iv_s_ | i have 100% inode usage, i need more!:) any other way to add more inodes? |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | !tell setuid about apt-file |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | setuid: and you were told yesterday, mailx |
| 13:10.10 | setuid | abrotman, I used apt-file, but installing mail(1) uninstalls sendmail, that cna't be right |
| 13:10.21 | setuid | I have bsd-mailx installed, no mail binary |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | uninstalling sendmail is usually a good thing ... |
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| 13:10.54 | setuid | I've been using sendmail for over 12 years, and it's solid... so I have no need to switch. |
| 13:11.05 | levene | I want to build a package from source and change the options passed to the configure script. I have run apt-get source packagename, and I am looking in the debian/ directory. What should I edit? |
| 13:11.13 | setuid | I run a lot of things integrated with it, and the jump to postfix is a VERY large hurdle |
| 13:11.24 | abrotman | not sure if you've noticed .. but lots of SMTP servers are solid and don't require all the hassle of sendmail |
| 13:11.31 | rvsjoen | iv_s_: say what ? |
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| 13:12.08 | abrotman | setuid: which version of debian is this? |
| 13:12.23 | setuid | hrm, mailx is just docs, bsd-mailx doesn't have ay binaries |
| 13:12.28 | setuid | abrotman, Clean, 64-bit lenny |
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| 13:13.15 | smacnay | wonders why Win machines hibernate their samba connections when the system hibernates |
| 13:13.37 | rvsjoen | why wouldnt they ? |
| 13:13.46 | iv_s_ | rvsjoen: http://pastie.org/666596 output of df -i , i wonder, how can i add more inodes to this partition, without recreate it |
| 13:13.53 | smacnay | Makes it hard to do backups over a network... rdiff-backup works when the win machines are "active" |
| 13:14.33 | smacnay | rvsjoen, Too bad the connection doesn't wake up on a request for access. |
| 13:14.33 | superjet_busy | has disabed listen-on-ipv6, why bind still listen on ::1? |
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| 13:15.11 | rvsjoen | iv_s_: what filesystem is it ? |
| 13:15.19 | iv_s_ | ext3 |
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| 13:17.04 | radoe | iv_s_: you can't increase inode number of an existing filesystem (without resizing or recreating the whole filesystem). |
| 13:17.10 | abrotman | setuid: sorry, mailutils |
| 13:18.28 | iv_s_ | radoe: i google about, and find /proc/sys/fs/inode-max, but i dont have this file. does it help if i create it? |
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| 13:19.37 | radoe | iv_s_: thats for something completely different. On ext3, inode tables are statically allocated when a filesystem is created and can't be changed without changing the filesystem. |
| 13:19.51 | jelly | iv_s_: no. ext3 CANNOT change the number of inodes after mkfs |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | setuid: apt-file search bin/mail .. should have found it for you |
| 13:21.18 | radoe | jelly: well, sort of. You can resize the underlying blockdevice and resize the FS on top of it, which will increase the the inode count. But, that counts as "changing the filesystem" as I said ;) |
| 13:21.38 | iv_s_ | radoe: jelly: seems, i should backup data recreate partition and copy data back? how to do it, if its a root partition? |
| 13:22.00 | jelly | iv_s_: boot from something else |
| 13:22.13 | justin | iv_s_: delete some files |
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| 13:22.41 | jelly | radoe: er, resize2fs doesn't change the number of inodes. |
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| 13:23.57 | jelly | radoe: is there some other fs resizing tool that does? |
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| 13:24.29 | iv_s_ | is any way that tune2fs can help me? `resize_inode` option? |
| 13:25.09 | abrotman | iv_s_: you'd have to backup your data and recreate the filesystem |
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| 13:25.51 | abrotman | what do people put on their systems to run out of inodes .. i've never even come close |
| 13:26.00 | justin | abrotman: 09:22 < justin> iv_s_: delete some files |
| 13:26.01 | justin | :) |
| 13:26.09 | abrotman | that too! |
| 13:26.25 | jelly | radoe: or, I might be wrong there ;-) |
| 13:26.33 | abrotman | but even running a maildir thingie .. it's not even close .. the space would run out long before the inodes |
| 13:26.36 | justin | either a) he is running some application that stores data in lots of small files or b) something broke and filled the drive with lots of small/emty files |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | "maildir thingie" .. yes i have a degree |
| 13:27.00 | rvsjoen | or the filesystem was created with too few inodes |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | rvsjoen: that's pretty hard to do .. the mkfs.ext3 guesses based on the partition size IIRC |
| 13:27.34 | jelly | my maildir thingy filesystems use 15% of inodes |
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| 13:27.45 | abrotman | jelly: compared to how much disk space usage? |
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| 13:27.53 | jelly | abrotman: 70% |
| 13:28.06 | emgee | Hey folks! Semi newb question: Can I install libcurl with ssl via apt-get? |
| 13:28.21 | emgee | (read "can one". I know I can't) |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | mine is currently 50% disk used, and 5% inode used |
| 13:28.27 | iv_s_ | abrotman: dont know) one day i tried to install smth with apt-get, and get "no space left on device" error, dig into it, an i have surprised, that i run out of inodes) |
| 13:28.28 | radoe | jelly: you are wrong ;) It works (and to be sure just had a quick test on resizing an lvm volume ;) |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | jelly: or people here send really big emails :) |
| 13:29.16 | jelly | radoe: yeah, "I could have sworn" growing a fs didn't help me before O:-) |
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| 13:30.21 | rvsjoen | abrotman: sure, unless someone felt clever when creating the fs in the first place and screwed up the bytes/inode ratio |
| 13:30.41 | abrotman | rvsjoen: yes .. that's what i meant about 'hard' :) |
| 13:30.44 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 13:30.52 | jelly | "I'll _never_ put a million files in here!" |
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| 13:31.40 | jelly | few months later: hey we need some space for rsync backups |
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| 13:35.38 | norbert_ | hi all, there's a problem with mplayer SVN-r28378-4.3.2 that comes with Debian stable |
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| 13:35.48 | norbert_ | it doesn't properly play back mpeg2 audio |
| 13:36.35 | jelly | norbert_: have you tried the build from dmm? |
| 13:36.35 | jelly | judd: versions mplayer |
| 13:36.35 | judd | jelly: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 sid: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 squeeze: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090906-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20091021-0.0 |
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| 13:37.17 | SolarWar | was support for glade-2 dropped in lenny? |
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| 13:39.31 | emgee | How do I install stuff with options using apt-get? Like libcurl with ssl... Is that possible at all? |
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| 13:40.31 | abrotman | emgee: it probably already has ssl support compiled in |
| 13:41.11 | emgee | abrotman: No, it says "Protocol https not supported or disabled in libcurl" |
| 13:41.14 | ripps | How do I change an O bug to an ITA? |
| 13:41.24 | jelly | emgee: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:41.32 | abrotman | emgee: what's the actual package name? |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | libcurl3-gnutls ? |
| 13:42.02 | jelly | emgee: fwiw, libcurl3 in lenny _is_ linked against openssl. |
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| 13:42.11 | abrotman | on lenny here, libcurl3 ..bleh he got it |
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| 13:42.48 | emgee | yeah I saw that in the apt-cache search results... |
| 13:42.56 | jelly | judd: info libcurl3 |
| 13:42.57 | judd | jelly: libcurl3 (libs): is optional; Version: 7.18.2-8lenny2; Size: 223.1k; Installed: 444k -- Multi-protocol file transfer library (OpenSSL) |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | emgee: so install that one |
| 13:43.35 | emgee | That's the one I'm on... |
| 13:43.44 | emgee | Oh, but is that the one my php uses? |
| 13:47.21 | norbert_ | jelly: I'm going to build it from source now |
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| 13:48.07 | norbert_ | jelly: but it means that people who don't do this and use Debian stable cannot properly play (some of the) mpeg2 audio |
| 13:48.22 | emgee | jelly: Does the php5-curl module use the libcurl3 I've installed? Or how can I find out? |
| 13:48.33 | setuid | wtf... why does IBM have to suck? I'm trying to download their jdk, and it requires reg, but I have an IBM id. So I try to log in with that, and it prompts me to change my password (after getting the security question + email right). Apparently their system is broken, and refuses all passwords. |
| 13:49.06 | setuid | It says it has to be >= 8 characters, I've tried dozens of permutations of 8+ characters. Alpha, alphanumeric, alphanumeric + punctuation... it refuses all of them as new passwords. |
| 13:49.11 | stew | setuid: java makes people that don't normally suck start to suck |
| 13:49.25 | setuid | Does anyone know where I can download the IBM JDK without having to go through this shite? |
| 13:49.33 | setuid | stew, I agree... Write Once, Debug Everywhere |
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| 13:49.42 | stew | exactly |
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| 13:51.50 | mastro | I never used X11 forwarding (throw SSH)... Is it possible to use the X server of a remote machine on ALT+F6 (for example) and keep my local X11 running on ALT+F7 ? |
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| 13:52.28 | rca | mastro: yes, you should be able to start two independent X servers and forward only to one of them |
| 13:52.37 | justin | !wayttd mastro |
| 13:52.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mastro? |
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| 13:54.35 | mastro | justin: I have to install oracle :) never did it before.. and it seems like you should install with X11... since I'm accessing the remote machine throw SSH I need to use X11 forwarding (never used this too) and I don't want to close my "local" X11 because there is some job going on here too... so I want to be able to switch between my local X11 and the remote one without having to close them |
| 13:54.52 | mastro | justin: I hope i've speaked my mind in a clear way :) (i'm not english) |
| 13:54.56 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:55.13 | justin | mastro: you are very confused |
| 13:55.37 | justin | mastro: ssh -X server |
| 13:55.38 | Posterdati | please, I'm using an SBC with ARM. I'd like to know if I could send commands with a norma serial connection as done with minicom :) |
| 13:55.51 | Posterdati | the sbc has got a debian distro on it |
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| 13:55.55 | mastro | justin: for what I understood I had to install X on the remote machine, enable X11 forwarding, then connect from my local machine to the remote one X11 server, is this wrong? |
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| 13:56.11 | justin | mastro: somewhat |
| 13:56.21 | justin | mastro: you don't need to close your local session, you don't need to start up another one |
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| 13:56.46 | mastro | justin: mastro: you are very confused «« probably it's true.. as I told you I'm doing 3 things I've never did before: installing oracle, using X11 forwarding and trying to do so without loosing my X11 session |
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| 13:58.13 | mastro | justin: so, I installed gnome into the remote server and rebooted it.. now I can access it through ssh.... problem 1) don't know how to enable x11 forwarding over network from command line :) problem 2) don't know how to connect to it... problem 3) don't exacly know what to search on the google :D |
| 13:58.24 | justin | mastro: ssh -X server |
| 13:58.45 | setuid | $ alias ssh |
| 13:58.45 | setuid | alias ssh='ssh -2 -X -P -C -c 3DES' |
| 13:58.49 | setuid | Just make that the default |
| 13:58.52 | justin | mastro: and if anything, set X11Forwarding in sshd_config on the server |
| 13:59.05 | Meths | "python-qt3: Depends: python-sip4 (<=4.9) but 4.9-1 is installed." <-- That's a bug in version detection isn't it? |
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| 13:59.42 | mastro | justin: :) let me try |
| 13:59.47 | joltcan | well, 4.9-1 is bigger than 4.9 |
| 13:59.57 | hyperzid | How do I capture the response package of an ftp session with tcpdump.. to capture the initial package I write: tcpdump -A -i eth2 src host IP_OF_SENDER and tcp port 21 |
| 13:59.58 | joltcan | or it looks that way :) |
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| 14:00.21 | justin | hyperzid: tcpdump -A -i eth2 host IP_OF_SENDER |
| 14:00.30 | mastro | justin: oh.. yes it work... :) did I had to install X11 on the remote too? |
| 14:00.42 | mastro | justin: i wonder if I could have avoided it |
| 14:00.46 | justin | mastro: you didn't have to install gnome |
| 14:00.59 | balboah | how can I re-load /etc/security/limits.conf or set system-wide ulimit -n without rebooting? |
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| 14:01.20 | mastro | justin: just X11... :) ok.. well that's not a big deal I think :) |
| 14:01.32 | Meths | joltcan: Shouldn't the debian "-n" additions be ignored by dependency checking as they are where debian fixed stuff for use in debian not new/changed functionality... |
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| 14:02.15 | flower | what is wrong about this command: aptitude -y --allow-untrusted install <package> |
| 14:02.20 | Posterdati | please help, I need to send commands to a linux distro on an SBC. I've got a serial console connection on /dev/ttyAM0. |
| 14:02.24 | prince | hi |
| 14:02.27 | hyperzid | justin: All I get is packages like this: 16:01:06.482038 IP IP_OF_SENDER.61325 > IP_OF_RECIVER.ftp: S 1209957366:1209957366(0) win 65535 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 1,nop,nop,timestamp 575380851 0> |
| 14:02.33 | prince | hor far |
| 14:02.44 | justin | hyperzid: 'tcpdump -A -i eth2 host IP_OF_SENDER' |
| 14:02.48 | justin | hyperzid: remove the port filter |
| 14:02.55 | hyperzid | justin: I just did |
| 14:02.55 | mastro | justin: thanks |
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| 14:03.16 | justin | hyperzid: is the server using passive mode? |
| 14:03.25 | prince | how can i browse with freedom on mtn |
| 14:04.06 | hyperzid | justin: Atm i'm just trying with telnet to the port, so that means yes. Ah. ofcourse.. there is no extra package then |
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| 14:04.42 | norbert_ | prince: http://freedom2browse4free.blogspot.com/2008/08/mtn-free-browsing.html |
| 14:04.43 | prince | i dont understand |
| 14:04.59 | norbert_ | prince: I have no idea what I just pasted or what mtn is, but it appears to be an answer to your question |
| 14:05.08 | WormFood | damn it! anyone get sound working with vmware and pulse audio? no matter what I do, I can't get it to work |
| 14:05.17 | norbert_ | and it looks like it depends on what phone you have |
| 14:05.24 | norbert_ | what are you even doing on #debian? |
| 14:05.41 | WormFood | http://communities.vmware.com/thread/163605 <-- this is what I tried....no work |
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| 14:06.05 | norbert_ | WormFood: #vmware ? |
| 14:06.30 | norbert_ | hehe and #pulseaudio |
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| 14:06.53 | maligor | don't see too many people using pulse in debian |
| 14:06.59 | WormFood | sid |
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| 14:07.05 | EasyTUX | I do. |
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| 14:07.39 | EasyTUX | Works perfectly "as is" in lenny503... |
| 14:07.47 | maligor | sid is pretty much the magic word for things break, deal with it |
| 14:08.08 | maligor | (or don't use it) |
| 14:08.28 | hyperzid | justin: Do you know what win 0 means in tcpdump? |
| 14:09.12 | smacnay | I use sid and should probably not but am very cautious when upgrading packages. And yes, things do break and not work... and I do deal with it. |
| 14:09.42 | EasyTUX | hyperzid: Same as in "TCP/IP" window. |
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| 14:10.11 | smacnay | WormFood, "testing" is not a bad compromise. It is more stable than sid and has newer apps than stable. Still, stable is the place to be for peace of mind. |
| 14:10.19 | Titan8990 | hyperzid, in means the packet and a window of 0, often a problem on the application layer |
| 14:10.25 | radoe | hyperzid: TCP flow control announces a closed window. |
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| 14:11.27 | WormFood | I call sid "unusable"...hehehe...but I still prefer it |
| 14:11.37 | radoe | hyperzid: mostly meaning something like "stop sending for the moment, I'm busy processing your previous data" |
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| 14:13.14 | ripps | Can anybody here sponsor my uriparser package on mentors? |
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| 14:14.03 | prince | yes |
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| 14:14.27 | EasyTUX | How should I do or What should I use to enable middle mouse scrolling ? ( in lenny 503 ) |
| 14:14.35 | EasyTUX | In X. |
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| 14:14.47 | N00b_ | Hi.. does naybody use UltraMonkey with Lenny? |
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| 14:15.20 | abrotman | EasyTUX: it should just work .. |
| 14:16.04 | EasyTUX | abrotman: But it just don't... Any hal suggestions ? |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | hal? |
| 14:16.36 | N00b_ | What should i use for LVS/HA/ldirector? |
| 14:17.32 | EasyTUX | abrotman : Yes hal device structure management : "lshal" |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | for making the mouse scroll ? |
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| 14:18.47 | EasyTUX | abrotman: I dunno, maybe ?... |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | what is your WM/DE ? |
| 14:19.18 | EasyTUX | abrotman: ? |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | did you create your own xorg.conf? or did the system create it? |
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| 14:20.32 | EasyTUX | abrotman: I created one, my mistake... But easier way for me than new x.... commands for scree resizing and depth issues... |
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| 14:21.04 | pfarrell | I am trying to create a debian package for the first time; it is a library, and I want to make a libfoo and a libfoo-dev. I have the library installing correctly into debian/tmp and I have the libfoo.{dirs,install} and libfoo-dev.{dirs,install} files. but debian/libfoo and debian/libfoo-dev don't get populated correctly. What dh_* looks at the .dirs and .install files and populares those directories? |
| 14:21.05 | EasyTUX | *xrand... |
| 14:21.29 | EasyTUX | **xrandr |
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| 14:22.54 | SolarWar | i suspect my rc.local script is not getting called when I switch runlevels, even though everything seems to be setup correctly in /etc/rcX.d - anyone have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot? |
| 14:23.35 | justin | pfarrell: i'd just apt-get source a simple lib and see how they do it |
| 14:24.08 | pfarrell | probably the easiest way to do it, alright :-) |
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| 14:27.36 | EasyTUX | abrotman: It's all right now : I've changed PS/2 to IMPS/2 and "rolling, rolling..." Thanks. |
| 14:27.44 | abrotman | good deal |
| 14:27.46 | EasyTUX | :) |
| 14:27.50 | jelly | emgee: I'm clueless about php. You can probably look at the package status (dpkg -s) to see its dependencies, and use ldd on the .so file of that php extension to see which libraries it's linked to |
| 14:27.58 | abrotman | EasyTUX: unless you really need it though, i'ts better to have X guess the settings |
| 14:28.02 | pfarrell | justin: the answer is dh_install apparently |
| 14:28.07 | pfarrell | obvious enough when you think about it |
| 14:28.12 | jnewt | how does one go about guaging the load on a webserver running debian and apache? what to look at? |
| 14:28.23 | emgee | thanks jelly - I'm late for a bus though, so I'll do that later |
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| 14:28.43 | abrotman | jelly: php5-curl lists libcurl3 as a dep |
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| 14:29.54 | EasyTUX | abrotman: Humm, yes I know, I hesitated with commenting and putting IMPS/2... eheh. For screen and depth I explain it with my poor knowledge of xrandr... eh. |
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| 14:30.44 | abrotman | EasyTUX: you could just define the screen resolution part and let the rest be guessed |
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| 14:33.29 | EasyTUX | abrotman: Yes it's a good issue but I'm fightened by void... ;) For example I first defined 105 "fr" keyb and was in trouble with specials, then I put 102 and was all right. I didn't ever thing as a first guess to put nothing... |
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| 14:33.41 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 14:34.36 | EasyTUX | abrotman: put nothing is a sane way... Is default is good of course ! Thanks. |
| 14:34.47 | EasyTUX | *if default |
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| 14:34.50 | abrotman | got it! carry on! |
| 14:34.54 | linelevel | Hi guys. I just installed debian on my server and it doesn't respond to pings. How can I get it to respond to pings? |
| 14:35.36 | krahser | hi... I have a question about bug tracker? we report a bug on system-tools-backends (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545358) but we have never received a reply telling us if it's ok or we are mistaken |
| 14:35.51 | krahser | what is the next step? |
| 14:36.37 | stew | linelevel: did you add firewall rules with iptables (or with some iptables frontend)? |
| 14:36.51 | EasyTUX | is removing some lines in xorg.conf. :)) |
| 14:37.45 | justin | linelevel: it should by default. |
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| 14:38.28 | linelevel | stew: i didn't. is possible that some other software did that behind the scenes, maybe when i set up the webserver? |
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| 14:39.22 | linelevel | is it* |
| 14:39.27 | stew | linelevel: no, that wouldn't have happened. your machine will reposnd to pings |
| 14:39.44 | stew | linelevel: if you are having trouble pinging it now, its probably due to some other firewall in the way |
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| 14:39.58 | WormFood | anyone have any idea how to get pulseaudio to work with my front panel mic jack? |
| 14:40.43 | linelevel | stew: is it possible for me to have it respond to pings, but only if they come from certain IPs/hostnames? |
| 14:41.22 | stew | linelevel: yes, you can do this with iptables |
| 14:41.48 | linelevel | stew: thanks, guess i'll go look up an iptables tutorial on google and see what i can come up with |
| 14:42.07 | Pudgy | After googling and man'ing and just plain trying, I hope one of you can help me out here. How can I insert the content of File2, into File1 at <pattern>, and save the merged stuff into File3? I turned to sed but can't seem to get this done. |
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| 14:43.25 | helo | why is it that scp now seems to have the old IE/netscape transfer rate miscalculation bug? |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | Pudgy: is it a pattern or a line number? |
| 14:43.32 | stew | linelevel: you'd write two rules. one to explictly allow the pings from the ip you want to allow it from, then another that blocks all pings. so if the first rule doesn't match the second one will |
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| 14:43.53 | helo | the indicated transfer rate starts out very high, and slowly decreases... where it will land, nobody knows |
| 14:43.58 | helo | (or when it will finish) |
| 14:43.59 | stew | linelevel: you'd match a ping with something like -p icmp --icmp-type 8 |
| 14:44.04 | Pudgy | abrotman: <pattern> is meant as a reg. expression pattern. |
| 14:44.21 | linelevel | stew: well the second rule may already exist.. `iptables -L` returns a whole slew of stuff... can you tell me what a line that blocks pings might look like here? |
| 14:44.40 | Pudgy | abrotman: ... a pattern occuring in File1. |
| 14:44.45 | stew | linelevel: ah so someone did actually install firewall rules |
| 14:44.55 | stew | linelevel: as I said -p icmp --icmp-type 8, or perhaps just -p icmp |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | Pudgy: and oyu're trying to automate this? or just a one time thing ? |
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| 14:46.43 | linelevel | stew: apparently. There are 3 chains: INPUT, FORWARD, OUTPUT |
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| 14:47.24 | Pudgy | abrotman: I hope to get this done in as less bash-lines as possible. If don't think I need to write a script for such a task, but if I do, then I will offcourse ;) |
| 14:47.51 | stew | linelevel: you'll need to find out how those rules are being installed, like if they are being installed from /etc/network/interfaces, or /etc/network/ip-up.d or some script in /etc/init.d or what |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | Pudgy: i can't think of a one-liner, though #bash might know how .. |
| 14:48.24 | WormFood | jesus fuckin' christ! I wished to fuck my friends didn't use skype....fuckin' garbage won't work with the microphone, even tho I can clearly see it working in the pulseaudio monitor |
| 14:48.42 | stew | WormFood: tone it down |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | Pudgy: i'd possibly save off the line number containing the pattern in a script |
| 14:48.55 | WormFood | what does it take to make it work? |
| 14:49.15 | WormFood | this is beyond frustrating! |
| 14:49.21 | Pudgy | abrotman: ... and then? |
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| 14:49.54 | linelevel | stew: are you saying that i need to change things in those files to disable the firewall rules immediately, or just that i need to change those files to stop the rules from being reinstated next time i boot the server? |
| 14:50.05 | stew | linelevel: next time you boot the server |
| 14:50.19 | abrotman | Pudgy: use head/tail perhaps ? |
| 14:50.19 | stew | linelevel: if you just need to do it temporarily, you can do that by issuing iptables commands |
| 14:50.46 | linelevel | stew: Ok, thanks again for the help. |
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| 14:51.22 | stew | linelevel: you're welcome. |
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| 14:52.30 | aayala | somebody knows how i need to write con /etc/defaults/grub to see messages at boot time ? |
| 14:53.09 | Pudgy | abrotman: you mean splitting File1 into 2 files, append File2 after first split and merging with second split, and saving to File3 ?? |
| 14:53.35 | Pudgy | abrotman: there has to be a simpler way right? |
| 14:54.47 | justin | Pudgy: what you described is like 4 lines of code in python |
| 14:55.40 | EasyTUX | kept minimal xorg.conf : monitor(rates), screen(depth,size), keyb (fr). eh. ;) |
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| 14:56.13 | M4K4V3l1 | hi friends |
| 14:56.26 | Pudgy | justin: damn... I was hoping to stay away from python as long as possible ;)) |
| 14:56.30 | M4K4V3l1 | I am looking for "libpcapnav" and I can't find it |
| 14:56.35 | M4K4V3l1 | can somone help me ? |
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| 14:57.41 | stew | Pudgy: sed '/somepattern/r somefiletoinsert' < input > output |
| 14:57.50 | stew | (iirc) |
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| 15:00.41 | elli222 | hmm, why does frets on fire want to install libgl1-mesa-dev? |
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| 15:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | elli222: Somebody botched the package build. Production packages should never require dev packages. |
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| 15:01.29 | jhutchins_lt | elli222: You should report it as a packaging bug. |
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| 15:01.50 | jhutchins_lt | elli222: At least it's not sucking in a whole build environment. |
| 15:01.52 | stew | elli222: try "aptitude why fretsonfire libgl1-mesa-dev" |
| 15:02.12 | Pudgy | stew: yeah, I tried that, but that only leaves "r somefiletoinsert" in the file instead of the actual file... It was my first hope to accomplish this ;) |
| 15:03.21 | stew | Pudgy: it works for me |
| 15:03.29 | stew | Pudgy: show me the exact command you ran |
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| 15:03.58 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't believe it is a packaging error, its not being pulled in becuase of a Depends |
| 15:05.01 | Pudgy | stew: Ah! you were right, I had a trailing /g after the "somefiletoinsert"... phew... thanks man! |
| 15:05.05 | stew | :) |
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| 15:05.23 | Pudgy | stew: that really saves me a lot of time learning python now ;) |
| 15:05.36 | abrotman | see .. stew is magic! |
| 15:05.46 | stew | Pudgy: you should anyway. its a nice language :) |
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| 15:06.11 | troubled | perl! |
| 15:06.19 | EasyTUX | is reading Xorg.<no>.log eheh. Nice, it fills xorg.conf holes ! |
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| 15:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | stew: libqt4-dev is recommended, but libqt4-opengl-dev is a Depends (and shouldn't be). |
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| 15:08.09 | Pudgy | stew: I tried, but I can't seem to get my head around that functional indenting stuff. C/C++ just seams easier to me... |
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| 15:09.10 | stew | jhutchins_lt: of which package? |
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| 15:09.29 | jhutchins_lt | stew: fretsonfire |
| 15:09.33 | WormFood | ok, my got front panel mic input working....but can't get the output working...anyone have any clues? |
| 15:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That's what the output from the aptittude why command above says on my system at least. |
| 15:10.01 | stew | judd: depends fretsonfire |
| 15:10.02 | judd | stew: fretsonfire -- Depends: fretsonfire-game, fretsonfire-songs-sectoid |
| 15:10.07 | elli222 | stew / jhutchins_lt fretsonfire-game depends on libgl1-mesa-dev, according from the web-based debian package browser |
| 15:10.13 | stew | judd: depends fretsonfire-game |
| 15:10.15 | judd | stew: fretsonfire-game -- Depends: python, python-pygame, python-opengl, python-numeric, python-imaging, python-pyogg, python-pyvorbis, python-numpy, ttf-dejavu, ttf-mgopen |
| 15:10.17 | troubled | ... |
| 15:10.20 | troubled | oops mt |
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| 15:10.27 | stew | i'm actually going to NMU fretsonfire this weekend |
| 15:10.30 | elli222 | atleast in sid |
| 15:10.45 | stew | to get rid of the python-numeric and python-numpy dependencies |
| 15:10.55 | stew | judd: depends fretsonfire-game --release sid |
| 15:10.55 | judd | stew: fretsonfire-game -- Depends: python, python-pygame, python-opengl, python-imaging, python-ogg, python-pyvorbis, ttf-dejavu, ttf-mgopen, libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 15:10.59 | stew | ahh |
| 15:11.15 | stew | i should be able to fix that too then |
| 15:11.47 | abrotman | could you make it not sieze my box? :) |
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| 15:11.54 | elli222 | Also, a gstreamer update wants to remove epiphany-browser |
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| 15:13.05 | stew | jhutchins_lt: elli222: yeah, my version doesn't depend on libgl1-mesa-dev, which I'm going to upload tonight or tomorrow |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | stew: do you play that a lot ? |
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| 15:14.07 | elli222 | stew: i was referring to gstreamer and epiphany, which is also broken |
| 15:14.10 | stew | oh, no i'm not, barry NMUd it already |
| 15:14.16 | stew | abrotman: i've never |
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| 15:14.33 | stew | abrotman: the RC bug it came up as low hanging fruit at the workshop last week |
| 15:14.41 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 15:15.06 | stew | abrotman: and then the guy the brought it up (the organizer) didn't do anything about it |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | stew: i asked you last week in -ot .. are the slides going up somewhere? or not really that kind of presentation ? |
| 15:15.17 | abrotman | bdefreese? |
| 15:15.25 | stew | abrotman: there weren't any slides |
| 15:15.34 | abrotman | oh okay .. so totally oral, nothign to share |
| 15:15.36 | stew | abrotman: it was micah typing into an emacs buffer |
| 15:15.52 | stew | abrotman: not really, and I'm sure you already know all of the material presented |
| 15:16.04 | stew | abrotman: yes, bdefreese (who, btw, is your neighbor) |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | stew: i was thinking it would be pretty useful for those interested in helping solve RC bugs though |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | stew: yeah, i should meet up with him, he lives about 10 miles from me |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | (he might even work in the same town) |
| 15:17.18 | stew | elli222: jhutchins_lt: looks like that -dev dependency was added in the last upload to fix http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524731 |
| 15:17.51 | elli222 | well, it sucks if your using nvidia's dev files (nvidia-glx-dev) |
| 15:18.11 | stew | its a temporary fix until python itself is fixed |
| 15:18.18 | stew | (and welcome to sid!) |
| 15:19.54 | linelevel | stew: I found the script which runs at boot and configures iptables. After editing it, can i just run it? (the first thing it does is -F (flush) iptables). I'm connected to my server via ssh at an offsite location, so I'm scared of possibly locking myself out. |
| 15:19.59 | WormFood | stuff like that is why I like to call sid "unusable" (instead of "unstable")....but I still like sid, even with problems like that, because at the best, I still get to learn new things |
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| 15:21.15 | abrotman | or ask |
| 15:21.43 | abrotman | linelevel: you should probably at least start a screen session |
| 15:21.52 | elli222 | stew, wouldnt it be better to make it depend on mesa OR glx-dev OR whatever that ATI one is |
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| 15:22.20 | stew | elli222: it would be better to fix python |
| 15:23.00 | elli222 | i meant for a temporary fix :P |
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| 15:23.29 | linelevel | abrotman, a screen session? |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | !screen |
| 15:23.40 | dpkg | from memory, screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and also ask me about <screen tutorial>. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:24.19 | stew | linelevel: why not just add or remove whatever rules affect ping? |
| 15:25.49 | SatanClaus | heyho, is there a way to save the list of packages installed on your system, but only to include such packages which are selected in aptitude explicitly (so a dpkg --get-selections but only listing packages with aptitude flag i, not iA)? |
| 15:25.49 | linelevel | that's what i'm doing. ping & snmp. |
| 15:25.50 | stew | SatanClaus: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 15:27.00 | SatanClaus | stew: thanks a lot |
| 15:27.11 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 15:37.00 | ilmenite | i have debian etch at the moment, its chrooted envronment as im developing my pendrivelinux os, how do i update it from etch to the latest one? |
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| 15:37.34 | bigpresh | ilmenite: As I understand it, s/etch/lenny/ in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:38.47 | stew | ilmenite: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 15:39.47 | ilmenite | thanks bigpresh and stew! |
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| 15:41.24 | grendal_prime | Seems like i remember a switch to dpkg that will give me a rebuild list (list of installed packages) anyone remember what that is called. |
| 15:41.46 | d1b | dpkg -l (i think) |
| 15:41.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching (i think) |
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| 15:41.52 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: --get-selections |
| 15:42.09 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: combined with --set-selections on the other side |
| 15:42.19 | stew | grendal_prime: "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" or "aptitude search '~i'" ; but depending on what you are doing you probably want /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 15:44.15 | grendal_prime | is there a way to then feed that list back to apt or aptitude...to reconstruct that server (minus the configs of course those will be stored by a backup procedure |
| 15:44.53 | stew | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 15:45.43 | ilmenite | stew, bigpresh, after replacing etch to lenny in sources.list, and then doing a apt-get update, i get this error: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B NO_PUBKEY 4D270D06F42584E6 and then it exits |
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| 15:46.14 | stew | ilmenite: you should make sure etch is up to date first. (you need a newer debian-archive-keyring package) |
| 15:46.19 | stew | ilmenite: and you shouldn't be using apt-get for this |
| 15:46.40 | ilmenite | oh thank you! |
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| 15:47.05 | stew | ilmenite: you should probably be reading chapter 4 of the release notes and/or "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" |
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| 16:03.53 | jarvisillu | buenas |
| 16:03.56 | jarvisillu | que tal? |
| 16:04.10 | jpinx-eeepc | !es |
| 16:04.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:05.33 | jarvisillu | cant i talk in spanich here? |
| 16:05.37 | jarvisillu | why??? |
| 16:05.44 | KB1JWQ | jarvisillu: Because there's a channel for that. |
| 16:05.44 | jarvisillu | i cant understand why |
| 16:05.45 | stew | jarvisillu: english only in here |
| 16:05.49 | jarvisillu | ok |
| 16:05.52 | jarvisillu | where are u from? |
| 16:06.09 | jpinx-eeepc | stop trolling jarvisillu |
| 16:06.12 | stew | jarvisillu: this isn't a social channel. please keep your comments related to debian end-user support |
| 16:06.28 | jarvisillu | fuck |
| 16:06.29 | KB1JWQ | jarvisillu: You just got punted out of #ubuntu for similar antics. Please don't repeat those mistakes here. |
| 16:06.31 | jarvisillu | no social |
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| 16:07.02 | jpinx-eeepc | o/ |
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| 16:09.08 | comps | !clone |
| 16:09.08 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
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| 16:09.50 | comps | I wonder how was the command to print some help about package list dump & restore on another machine |
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| 16:10.03 | jelly | Wesley_: does the underlying destination filesystem support largefiles? |
| 16:10.16 | comps | !rebuild |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | comps: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 16:11.05 | comps | jelly: that's it, thanks |
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| 16:13.08 | amitz | Notice: Debian 5.0.4, the next point release of Debian 'lenny', |
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| 16:13.33 | amitz | will include a new default value for the mmap_min_addr tunable. <-- what kind of application. Can someone quote a famous application influenced by that change? |
| 16:13.56 | amitz | that's for 2.6.26 kernel of Debian 5.0.4. |
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| 16:16.56 | asg | amitz: wine, qemu |
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| 16:18.22 | amitz | asg: influence as in, they won't work with current kernel without patching? |
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| 16:19.30 | zophy | how do i do a screen capture with gnome ? |
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| 16:19.53 | Roland- | hey, is there a way to add an arhive to an sh script? i saw an installer once with x66xx66x6x kind of lines. |
| 16:20.33 | abrotman | zophy: there's an applet, or use gimp or import or scrot |
| 16:20.44 | rgr | zophy: gnome-screenshot, but I prefer scrot. |
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| 16:33.34 | linelevel | Okay, I set firewall exceptions using `iptables`, but my connection is still failing. Is there a way I can check on the server to see why it refused the connection? or at least look up some details about the failed connection attempt? |
| 16:34.17 | abrotman | first, can you telnet to the port? |
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| 16:35.15 | sigmonsays | Can I verify a debian package contents are the state they werre when initially installed? |
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| 16:35.17 | linelevel | abrotman, let me check. |
| 16:35.25 | sway | heh |
| 16:36.35 | pistache | linelevel: are you using the good host ? can you ping ? |
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| 16:36.46 | pistache | is your server listening on the good port/interface ? |
| 16:37.10 | pistache | what is the server ? ssh ? http ? |
| 16:37.28 | linelevel | abrotman, before i do that, is there an easy way to tell what IP this server (which I can ssh into) sees my current machine at? |
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| 16:37.56 | pistache | linelevel: what is the address of your current machine ? what do you mean ? |
| 16:38.07 | pistache | what IP this servers "sees" |
| 16:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | linelevel: Yes, you should be able to see the origin of the ssh connection. |
| 16:38.15 | stew | linelevel: when you are logged in, type "w" |
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| 16:38.28 | stew | sigmonsays: have a look at the debsums package |
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| 16:38.42 | sway | please. stop. |
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| 16:39.10 | linelevel | stew: that's what i needed, thanks. |
| 16:41.13 | linelevel | abrotman, pistache, stew: ok, here's the deal. i'm trying to install software to monitor my servers. the software runs on another machine and connects to the servers it's monitoring via snmp. My servers all have snmpd running, but the monitoring software still says the server is timing out. |
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| 16:43.08 | linelevel | i've added an exception into one of my server's iptables to allow udp:161 connections (but only from the machine doing the monitoring).. that didn't help though. |
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| 16:43.14 | infinity0 | ugh |
| 16:43.15 | pistache | linelevel: does the snmpd listen in the good interface port ? |
| 16:43.19 | infinity0 | bad block on encrypted LVM volume |
| 16:43.31 | linelevel | pistache, what do you mean by "good" here? |
| 16:43.32 | infinity0 | anyone know an easy way to figure out which files are affected? all i have is the LBA :( |
| 16:43.57 | pistache | linelevel: by default, snmpd only listens on the local interface (127.0.0.1) |
| 16:44.04 | pistache | Check your /etc/default/snmpd |
| 16:44.30 | pistache | and then test using snmpwalk |
| 16:44.37 | linelevel | pistache, I edited snmp.conf to contain only the line "rocommunity public" . That's what the monitoring software's setup guide told me to do. |
| 16:44.44 | linelevel | snmpd.conf, that is |
| 16:44.48 | sway | dances |
| 16:45.21 | brbrbr | sway foxtrot ? :) |
| 16:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | linelevel: You might want to look at nagios for monitoring. |
| 16:46.02 | sway | brbrbr: :) |
| 16:46.06 | linelevel | jhutchins_lt, i'm using Zenoss instead. |
| 16:46.07 | pistache | linelevel: did you check your /etc/default/snmpd |
| 16:46.09 | brbrbr | :-) |
| 16:46.15 | pistache | jhutchins_lt: the problmem is not there |
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| 16:46.39 | gubuntu | hey all |
| 16:46.42 | brbrbr | get in hands transparent "PROBLEM is not Here !" |
| 16:46.45 | brbrbr | hi |
| 16:46.52 | linelevel | pistache, just navigated there. what am i looking for? |
| 16:46.58 | pistache | linelevel: an IP |
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| 16:47.04 | gubuntu | is anyone here familar with inotify-tools? |
| 16:47.13 | pistache | linelevel: line SNMPDOPTS |
| 16:47.14 | valdyn | !tell gubuntu -about ask |
| 16:47.17 | linelevel | SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1' |
| 16:47.24 | pistache | there you go |
| 16:47.26 | pistache | 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:47.37 | linelevel | should i change that to the IP of the monitoring machine? |
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| 16:47.49 | pistache | no to the IP of the server that is being monitored |
| 16:48.03 | linelevel | pistache, this file is on the server that's being monitored. |
| 16:48.13 | pistache | linelevel: yes. |
| 16:48.18 | linelevel | okey dokey. |
| 16:48.52 | gubuntu | i have at some point in time set my system to watch a certain folder for new files. when they appear a script is run. i believe i am using inoticoming to do this.. the only problem is i have lost whatever documentation i wrote with how the program is executed/where it lives/etc etc |
| 16:49.12 | gubuntu | it is currently running |
| 16:49.15 | linelevel | pistache, is hostname okay? or only IP? |
| 16:49.20 | pistache | linelevel: best IP |
| 16:49.23 | linelevel | the monitoring software was given the hostname |
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| 16:49.32 | pistache | linelevel: only IP in fact |
| 16:49.35 | pistache | linelevel: does not matter |
| 16:49.44 | valdyn | gubuntu: so look through ps aux |
| 16:49.45 | pistache | the IP you see in "ifconfig" |
| 16:49.56 | roberthl | Hi. The http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 package had an update last night but there is no changelog for it - any ideas where I can look? |
| 16:50.23 | pistache | oh did it update |
| 16:50.26 | linelevel | pistache, done. Do i need to restart snmpd now? |
| 16:50.36 | valdyn | roberthl: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 16:50.48 | OpenTokix | linelevel: its the ip snmpd binds to. you can rempve the ip and be done with it . the n snmpd will bind to all in |
| 16:50.52 | stew | roberthl: which version? |
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| 16:51.01 | roberthl | valdyn: I have not upgraded yet, I want to know what the nature of it is before upgrading. |
| 16:51.02 | pistache | linelevel: yes |
| 16:51.15 | roberthl | stew: 2.6.26-19lenny1 |
| 16:51.24 | valdyn | roberthl: look at the security advisories |
| 16:51.25 | roberthl | The link to the changelog 404s. |
| 16:51.32 | roberthl | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:51.32 | pistache | confirmed roberthl |
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| 16:52.11 | OpenTokix | linelevel: but if the machine is exposed to the inter wt. all of the world can connext unless you fw it |
| 16:52.30 | roberthl | no obvious security advisories for this package within the past few days |
| 16:52.51 | gubuntu | valdyn: ps aux doesnt show the command |
| 16:52.53 | stew | roberthl: you can download the .diff.gz which would contain the changelog |
| 16:52.58 | valdyn | gubuntu: the its not running |
| 16:53.02 | valdyn | gubuntu: then its not running |
| 16:53.04 | linelevel | OpenTokix, not sure what fw is, but the way i set up iptables should only allow connections to from the one source IP |
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| 16:53.23 | brbrbr | you got it !! secret updates !!! there is secret conspiracy by Alines. to make Xen, Xenu |
| 16:53.23 | valdyn | roberthl: tell us the version |
| 16:53.35 | roberthl | 2.6.26-19lenny1 |
| 16:53.37 | brbrbr | Alines==Aliens |
| 16:53.44 | gubuntu | valdyn: it must, as when i touch a file in the directory it is instantly moved based on my script |
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| 16:53.53 | stew | roberthl: fixes for: CVE-2009-2903 CVE-2009-3290 CVE-2009-2695 CVE-2009-3001 CVE-2009-3002 CVE-2009-2908 CVE-2009-2909 CVE-2009-2910 CVE-2009-3286 CVE-2009-3613 |
| 16:54.00 | valdyn | gubuntu: then its listed in ps aux and you are wrong when you tell me that its not listed |
| 16:54.02 | OpenTokix | linelevel: then just remove the ip |
| 16:54.05 | linelevel | pistache, restarted snmpd and tried to model the device in the monitoring software again. I still see the warning: Device <my server> timed out: are your SNMP settings correct? |
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| 16:54.45 | gubuntu | valdyn: it is specific to inotfiy-tools and perhaps the program is running as a daemon with a conf file somewhere, are you familiar with inotify-tools? |
| 16:54.59 | OpenTokix | linelevel: default it only bind to localhost |
| 16:55.00 | valdyn | roberthl: guess you have not updated for a while |
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| 16:55.08 | mario | Hello! |
| 16:55.16 | pistache | linelevel: from the monitoring machine, can you ping the IP you put in the config file ? |
| 16:55.17 | mario | can can i set my tcp timeout? |
| 16:55.18 | valdyn | roberthl: its from oktober the 17th |
| 16:55.23 | pistache | And you should check the syslogs too |
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| 16:55.40 | roberthl | brbrbr: I don't think it is unreasonable to want to be aware of why your kernel wants to be upgraded. |
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| 16:55.55 | linelevel | OpenTokix, I already changed the IP in /etc/default/snmpd to the WAN ip of the machine. |
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| 16:56.04 | valdyn | roberthl: can I pm you the changelog? |
| 16:56.05 | roberthl | valdyn: I get an e-mail each night telling me of package updates. |
| 16:56.09 | roberthl | valdyn: Sure, thank you. |
| 16:56.32 | linelevel | pistache, no, but I think iptables is still configured to drop all pings. |
| 16:56.37 | roberthl | I got this e-mail this morning, so I assume it wasn't realeased until this morning. |
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| 16:57.07 | brbrbr | roberthl, of course, it reasonable. but i have similar experience[hidden updates of initial, "-lenny1" image] and changelog was NEVER published in readable state. |
| 16:57.11 | pistache | linelevel: well, fix that first |
| 16:57.14 | greycat | Hmm, you know what would be really cool? If irssi would show the topic *after* the list of users instead of before it. |
| 16:57.20 | valdyn | roberthl: i cant see the advisory either.. strange |
| 16:57.21 | pistache | most monitoring software use ping to know if a host is up |
| 16:57.23 | roberthl | valdyn: Probably the xen package didn't get updated for several days after the main one. |
| 16:57.39 | linelevel | pistache, sure. know what protocol/port i should allow for pings off the top of your head? |
| 16:57.44 | brbrbr | and no, i think there also alien conspiracy too. to subvert Linux, particulary Debian, to something unusable/nasty |
| 16:57.45 | brbrbr | :) |
| 16:57.47 | roberthl | brbrbr: fair enough, quite undesireable though |
| 16:57.52 | roberthl | valdyn: thank you very much for the paste |
| 16:57.53 | valdyn | roberthl: you should probably subscribe to the security mailing list |
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| 16:58.03 | roberthl | ok, will do |
| 16:58.04 | valdyn | roberthl: the advisory is there, just not in the website |
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| 16:58.14 | amitz | in other word, will the new kernel update break wine? |
| 16:58.16 | valdyn | roberthl: the mail arrived just today, its the last advisory |
| 16:58.34 | roberthl | ah |
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| 16:58.40 | valdyn | roberthl: i dont think mails arrive before the real package is online, so, were just seeing the debian website being late |
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| 16:58.50 | JordiGH | Hey, virtualbox is a virtualization solution? |
| 16:58.57 | JordiGH | Nice. Does this mean I no longer have a problem? |
| 16:59.00 | brbrbr | thats why nobody seriously check mr M Shurtleworth back story and possible connections with scientology/Microsoft |
| 16:59.04 | roberthl | valdyn: fair enough, thanks a lot |
| 16:59.07 | valdyn | roberthl: err, vice versa - I dont think packages get online *before* the announcement |
| 16:59.16 | linelevel | pistache, nevermind. i found it. anyway, that's done now. |
| 16:59.19 | JordiGH | !info virtualbox-ose |
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| 16:59.35 | Yoric[DT] | Hi |
| 16:59.35 | asg | amitz: it might but because it is a change to a default on a tunable, you could always change it. Find out what you currently have and, if wine breaks, fix the tunable after the upgrade. |
| 16:59.39 | brbrbr | thats why Verisign/Thawt was designed btw. by same purpose, why MS created, for example. and 4 same purpose |
| 16:59.53 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (x86 virtualization solution - base binaries), section misc, is extra. Version: 3.0.8-dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5871 kB, Installed size: 23268 kB |
| 16:59.59 | brbrbr | |people |
| 17:00.00 | valdyn | brbrbr: this is offtopic |
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| 17:00.11 | Yoric[DT] | Is there a simple way of having the complete list of dependencies (not just 1-level dependency but all the dependencies up to the kernel) of one package? |
| 17:00.13 | brbrbr | valdyn, slightly |
| 17:00.13 | JordiGH | Solutions? In *my* Debian? |
| 17:00.27 | JordiGH | Yoric[DT]: Try aptitude's dotty command. |
| 17:00.30 | Yoric[DT] | Thanks. |
| 17:00.39 | valdyn | Yoric[DT]: you can use apt-rdepends |
| 17:00.42 | JordiGH | Yoric[DT]: It won't be pretty, though. And you'll need graphviz to visualise. |
| 17:00.45 | brbrbr | because Shurtlewort CONSTLY try scramble Debian team |
| 17:01.01 | stew | brbrbr: lets please try to stay on-topic |
| 17:01.02 | greycat | Yoric[DT]: Side note, most package don't depend on a kernel. They'd stop at either libc6 or some *-common thing. |
| 17:01.04 | brbrbr | ok |
| 17:01.07 | brbrbr | shutup |
| 17:01.11 | Yoric[DT] | greycat: thanks |
| 17:01.20 | Yoric[DT] | JordiGH: actually, just a text list would be sufficient but yes, a dot is even better. |
| 17:01.31 | JordiGH | Well, a dot *is* a text list. |
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| 17:01.55 | Yoric[DT] | JordiGH: nah, it's something more complicated which just happens to be encoded as ascii :) |
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| 17:02.13 | sway | brbrbr: 'There is no witness so terrible, no accuser so powerful as conscience which dwells within us.' -Sophocles |
| 17:02.14 | JordiGH | It's not that complex. It pretty much is a list grouped by categories. |
| 17:02.37 | gubuntu | Does anyone know how to ask inotify or dnotify when it is running in daemon mode the full command its running? i.e. i see [cifsdnotifyd] in the process list but not the full command i ran to make it do what it is currently doing |
| 17:02.47 | JordiGH | What, where did it go? I could have sworn dotty output was an aptitude thing. |
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| 17:03.01 | JordiGH | Oh, it's an apt-cache thing. |
| 17:03.03 | valdyn | gubuntu: thats a kernel thread, not a program you ever started |
| 17:03.36 | Yoric[DT] | Ah, that may be why I couldn't find it. |
| 17:04.05 | asg | amitz: From the DSA, more info can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr |
| 17:04.41 | linelevel | pistache, just double-checked my iptable addition.. looks good to allow pings, but the server still doesn't respond to them. |
| 17:05.53 | amitz | asg: great, thanks! :-) |
| 17:06.07 | asg | amitz: you're welcome |
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| 17:07.06 | Yoric[DT] | JordiGH: works perfectly, thanks. |
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| 17:07.27 | gubuntu | Can someone please tell me if they recognize any program running in my process list that might be automagically moving files based on a filesystem event (e.g. inotify, dnotify) http://pastebin.ca/1640430 |
| 17:07.31 | OpenTokix | linelevel: ok, didn't write so fast before. - Was using my iphone |
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| 17:08.33 | brbrbr | sway its maybe especially funny in contexts of conpiracy/sabotage activity :) |
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| 17:08.56 | brbrbr | bookmarked "Sophocles" |
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| 17:09.27 | linelevel | OpenTokix, That's alright, thanks for the help. I can't even get this server to respond to a ping :/ |
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| 17:10.26 | jhutchins_lt | (Somebody's chatting with a bot) |
| 17:11.37 | brbrbr | give teacup, full of tea to somebody |
| 17:11.52 | OpenTokix | linelevel: try hping2 or hping3, it can send tcp packets and syn-ping. - instead of icmp. - I talked about iptables, I assume you dont allow icmp etc. |
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| 17:12.55 | linelevel | OpenTokix, I added the line: iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -s <client IP> -j ACCEPT |
| 17:12.59 | abrotman | linelevel: still not working ? |
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| 17:13.06 | linelevel | shouldn't that allow pings from <client IP>? |
| 17:13.13 | abrotman | brbrbr: do you need help ? |
| 17:13.14 | linelevel | abrotman, nope :/ |
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| 17:14.09 | brbrbr | abrotman, maybe. my psad fifo is dropped from working |
| 17:14.16 | OpenTokix | linelevel: ok |
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| 17:14.35 | abrotman | brbrbr: if you have an actual question, ask it, otherwise, please be quiet |
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| 17:15.59 | summatusmentis | is there a debian specific perl channel? I've got a broken cpan, and I'm needing to fix it |
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| 17:16.34 | stew | summatusmentis: #debian-perl on irc.debian.org |
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| 17:16.52 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks |
| 17:16.57 | abrotman | linelevel: are you able to telnet to the port, or is it UDP ? |
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| 17:18.14 | linelevel | abrotman, It is UDP (port 161). I can't ping the server either, even though I added an exception in iptables on the server for icmp. Would it matter that the client machine (the one doing the monitoring and pinging) is behind a router? |
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| 17:20.54 | abrotman | linelevel: did you look at iptables -L ? |
| 17:20.58 | jhutchins_lt | Does the router pass udp? |
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| 17:21.07 | linelevel | abrotman, yep, the change is reflected there/ |
| 17:21.26 | greycat | linelevel: you appended (-A) an iptables rule to an existing rule-chain. If I understand iptables correctly, then if there was something *earlier* in the chain that dropped the packets, your rule would never be seen. |
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| 17:21.58 | stew | yes, rules in a chain are processed in order |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | linelevel: is this something can put in a pastebin for us ? |
| 17:22.01 | jelly | linelevel: are snmp packets appearing on snmpd machines at all? |
| 17:22.09 | sway | dances |
| 17:22.21 | linelevel | greycat, nope, I thought of that. I put that line near the top of my boot-time script which clears (flushes) then sets up iptables, and then i ran the script. |
| 17:22.43 | linelevel | jelly, not sure how to check that. |
| 17:22.51 | stew | linelevel: do you want to show us the output of "iptables -L -n -v" ? |
| 17:23.00 | jelly | linelevel: something like tcpdump -ni eth0 port 161 |
| 17:23.05 | linelevel | stew: sure, give me a minute. |
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| 17:23.17 | jelly | linelevel: or pastebin the output of "iptables-save" |
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| 17:28.12 | valdyn | gubuntu: maybe you really used famd |
| 17:28.40 | gubuntu | valdyn: possibly, how do i ask famd to list what directories it is watching and ocmmands it will run |
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| 17:29.25 | Pyrophelia | I want to deploy a pretty big raid 5 software raid. What software should I use to sync the raid before I start putting data on it? |
| 17:29.32 | valdyn | gubuntu: ah, no, you used incron |
| 17:29.50 | valdyn | gubuntu: there should be something like an incrontab |
| 17:29.55 | gubuntu | valdyn: s/famd/incron |
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| 17:30.13 | greycat | Pyrophelia: whatever you use to construct the RAID array should do that. |
| 17:30.22 | valdyn | gubuntu: read the package description |
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| 17:30.30 | gubuntu | valdyn: got it |
| 17:30.31 | gubuntu | thanks |
| 17:30.36 | gubuntu | incrontab -l |
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| 17:31.31 | tech | test |
| 17:31.40 | tech | test |
| 17:31.42 | sigp239 | I need an unbiased factual summary of the differences and similarities between using xen and using kvm. Thank you if you can provide this. |
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| 17:32.27 | greycat | IRC, that great repository of unbiased factual statements. |
| 17:32.35 | Pyrophelia | greycat, I know mdadm will construct the raid, but It will sync the raid as well? |
| 17:32.38 | Titan8990 | sigp239, i bet the wiki articles for both will give you a good idea |
| 17:32.49 | greycat | Pyrophelia: yes, it does |
| 17:32.52 | Pyrophelia | hmm |
| 17:32.54 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 17:32.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 17:33.00 | sigp239 | Titan8990, but not a comparison/contrast |
| 17:33.08 | Titan8990 | ^ greycat like that unbiased factual statement? |
| 17:33.09 | Pyrophelia | ....><' |
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| 17:33.24 | maxagaz_ | hi |
| 17:33.58 | flower | can you do a aptitude hold on a non installed package? |
| 17:33.59 | maxagaz_ | how to ping an ipv6 address ? I tried to ping my localhost at ::1, but it didn't work |
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| 17:34.07 | asg | maxagaz_: ping6 |
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| 17:34.24 | stew | flower: what are you actually trying to do? prevent it from ever being installed? |
| 17:34.35 | stew | flower: otherwise i'm not sure what hold on an uninstalled package might mean |
| 17:34.38 | flower | stew: yes |
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| 17:34.45 | stew | flower: man apt_preferences |
| 17:34.49 | maxagaz_ | asg, thanks |
| 17:34.54 | grendal_prime | i dont know man...I was not interested in ubuntu one bit..but ummm i have to admit my laptop that came with it preinstalled works better than the pc(go figre) and the Macs we use. |
| 17:34.57 | flower | stew: thanks |
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| 17:36.03 | flower | stew: what if you disable a package to be installed, but it is a recommend package by package x you want install? |
| 17:36.13 | sigp239 | Can anyone summarize the differences between xen and kvm please? |
| 17:36.22 | grendal_prime | the entire sudo rigamaru |
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| 17:36.38 | stew | flower: it probably depends on which package manager you are using. dpkg would be fine with that |
| 17:36.38 | cusco_ | hi |
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| 17:36.40 | valdyn | sigp239: have you tried google? |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | sigp239: did you read the wiki pages yet? have you asked ##xen or #kvm ? |
| 17:36.55 | cusco_ | what do you recommend to create very basic PDF files? light... |
| 17:37.08 | flower | stew: aptitude or apt-get |
| 17:37.10 | greycat | only thing I've ever used is ps2pdf |
| 17:37.17 | abrotman | cusco_: from what source ? |
| 17:37.18 | stew | flower: in general it should not be a problem for Reocmmends, but would be a problem for depends. note that you can disable the automatic installation of Recommends |
| 17:37.25 | Titan8990 | sigp239, http://tinyurl.com/yjqbg3c |
| 17:37.32 | stew | flower: it should be fine |
| 17:37.33 | sigp239 | valdyn, abrotman I just want a brief factual summarized difference between the two. |
| 17:37.34 | cusco_ | abrotman: anything... a text file for instance |
| 17:37.42 | maxagaz_ | how to get my ip address in ipv6 format ? |
| 17:37.49 | abrotman | sigp239: they are spelled differently |
| 17:38.05 | Titan8990 | sigp239, the link I gave should provide the needed information |
| 17:38.06 | cusco_ | i just want to send a fax with some text :p |
| 17:38.20 | abrotman | cusco_: and you need a PDF for this? |
| 17:38.37 | asg | maxagaz_: ifconfig will tell you if you have an ipv6 address |
| 17:38.48 | cusco_ | abrotman: asterisk is configured to take pdf files... |
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| 17:38.59 | cusco_ | its not up to me really, I just want to send a fax |
| 17:39.10 | sigp239 | abrotman, a peach fallen in late summer is less dry than your humor |
| 17:39.17 | greycat | I have a hard time believing it would _only_ accept PDF |
| 17:39.22 | abrotman | sigp239: you've been pointed to a few places, go read |
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| 17:39.43 | sigp239 | abrotman, yes I'm about it. Gratis, danke, merci |
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| 17:39.47 | maxagaz_ | asg, how to configure an ipv6 address ? |
| 17:39.48 | cusco_ | greycat: so do I but messing with asterisk is not an option. It is running LIVE and i don't know much about it |
| 17:39.56 | sigp239 | nods appreciatively |
| 17:40.13 | abrotman | cusco_: you print your document to postscript and then use ps2pdf i think is what greycat is implying |
| 17:40.28 | Snadder | Anyone know about a simple free 3-party add solution? |
| 17:40.36 | Titan8990 | there is a cups driver that will allow you to print directly to pdf |
| 17:40.36 | asg | maxagaz_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 17:40.44 | cusco_ | abrotman: right... ok thanks |
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| 17:40.58 | asg | maxagaz_: also, /msg dpkg ipv6 |
| 17:40.59 | sigp239 | Can I just say, I hate ipv6 |
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| 17:41.02 | Snadder | *ad* |
| 17:41.21 | Snadder | *advertisement solution* |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | to block them ? |
| 17:41.43 | Titan8990 | aptitude install cups-pdf |
| 17:42.05 | cusco_ | yea, its right on the printing options to print to a pdf file. heh thanks |
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| 17:42.45 | stew | cusco_: you can create ps files with a2ps if you need to automate it |
| 17:43.04 | cusco_ | no but thanks |
| 17:44.07 | maxagaz_ | asg, ifconfig shows an ipv6 address pour for nic, but when I ping6 on it, it returns "connect: Invalid argument" |
| 17:44.44 | asg | maxagaz_: then check the wiki link I gave you to help in setting up ipv6 |
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| 17:48.26 | flami | Hi, you recommend to set the minimal accessible adress to be " vm.mmap_min_addr = 32768 " but int he next version itll be 4096 . So what is the difference ? |
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| 17:48.59 | asg | flami: check the wiki link in the DSA |
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| 17:49.50 | flami | yes I read the link |
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| 17:50.43 | asg | flami: it means that some things like qemu and wine may break. Since it's a tuneable, you can fix it if qemu and/or wine break after the update. |
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| 17:51.32 | flami | and I am wondering why you should chose 32768 instead of 4096 ( which will be the default in 5.0.4 ) |
| 17:52.48 | asg | flami: choose 32768 if you encounter problems with qemu and/or wine; otherwise, leave the default at 4096 to prevent a number of null pointer vulnerabilities. |
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| 17:53.22 | asg | dpkg, mmap hysteria ove 5.0.4 is <reply>see http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr |
| 17:53.22 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 17:53.43 | stew | ove? |
| 17:53.56 | greycat | asg: it's not at all obvious from that wiki page that setting the number *higher* would make problems go away. |
| 17:54.11 | greycat | I expected, from reading it, that the lower the number, the less likely a problem would occur. |
| 17:54.22 | flami | 32768 will miraculously allow access to 0 ? I thought wine (to run some ancient stuff ) need access to 0 ... and not 32000 ^^ |
| 17:54.32 | asg | dpkg, forget mmap hysteria ove 5.0.4 |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | asg: i forgot mmap hysteria ove 5.0.4 |
| 17:54.43 | abrotman | wonders what happened to the iptables post |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | paste |
| 17:54.53 | sway | dances |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | sway: do you need help? |
| 17:55.09 | sway | abrotman: yes |
| 17:55.19 | abrotman | are you going to keep dancing or actually ask your question? |
| 17:55.29 | sway | abrotman: ok |
| 17:55.42 | greycat | not a very clever chat bot |
| 17:55.53 | sway | bot? |
| 17:55.58 | flami | bot! |
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| 17:56.10 | abrotman | greycat: he's not a bot .. he just has trouble staying on-topic and can't seem to find #debian-offtopic |
| 17:56.33 | greycat | I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the Turing test when he speaks in sentences instead of single-word responses. |
| 17:56.36 | sway | it's evident abrotman fancies me |
| 17:56.45 | greycat | ok, that was slightly better |
| 17:56.55 | stew | if he's not a bot then hes certainly not a clever chat bot! |
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| 17:57.12 | sway | you guys need to relax |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | he has all kinds of issues .. i'm pretty sure it's about eight years old |
| 17:57.20 | asg | greycat: true, it isn't obvious |
| 17:57.23 | simonrvn | no, he's not a bot, just eccentric |
| 17:57.33 | sway | why thank you |
| 17:57.38 | simonrvn | !spell eccentric |
| 17:57.40 | dpkg | 'eccentric' may be spelled correctly |
| 17:57.40 | asg | abrotman: does that mean it's time for a my little pony quote? |
| 17:57.42 | abrotman | good .. he can go be eccentric somewhere else |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | asg: are you going to sing? |
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| 17:58.07 | asg | abrotman: I could but I don't think you would like it |
| 17:58.15 | abrotman | asg: nor the bartender ... |
| 17:58.18 | sway | abrotman: can i dd from an read only drive? |
| 17:58.25 | flami | Well i guess +-32000 as minimal adress is kinda arbitrarily chosen . |
| 17:58.30 | asg | sway: yes |
| 17:58.32 | abrotman | sway: yes, why wouldn't you be able to? |
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| 17:58.52 | sway | abrotman: it's a windows drive |
| 17:58.56 | abrotman | so? |
| 17:58.59 | asg | sway: yes |
| 17:59.00 | greycat | yes, you can read from a read-only device. assuming you have permissions and the physical capability. |
| 17:59.03 | sway | asg: thank you |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | sway: do you think dd cares about the filesystem? |
| 17:59.13 | greycat | making sense of what you read is a different issue |
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| 17:59.29 | danielig | hi debianistas, with this configuration: http://pastie.org/666940 I get an error when updating postfix on my debian machine: http://pastie.org/666943 I would like to upgrade my postfix configuration but don't know where I made the mistake, or what to do. |
| 17:59.31 | sway | abrotman: no? |
| 17:59.46 | flami | as long as you can read it you can do anything reading realated to it ... even dd if= . but reading is for suckers anyway , TV is the way to go |
| 17:59.56 | sway | heh |
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| 18:00.02 | Seth_Hikaru_ | I need some help with getting VMWare Workstation to run |
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| 18:00.34 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Can anyone help me? |
| 18:00.42 | sway | if i dd a iso image, will it be useful on a machine? because i know with files, windows ends lines with \r\n |
| 18:00.47 | asg | Seth_Hikaru_: how is it not running currently? |
| 18:00.59 | WormFood | Seth_Hikaru, technically the wrong channel....but you need to give us more info....NOBODY can help with you saying nothing. |
| 18:01.02 | greycat | sway: linux can mount ISO 9660 images as file systems |
| 18:01.03 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Oh it's being stupid |
| 18:01.09 | sway | greycat: thank you |
| 18:01.31 | flami | sway: naa dd copies bits , it doesnt care what tehy actually mean |
| 18:01.31 | Seth_Hikaru_ | Well it can't find gcc or my kernel headers |
| 18:01.33 | Seth_Hikaru_ | I found gcc |
| 18:01.36 | greycat | sway: Windows \r\n issues would only apply to the files inside the image, not to the overall image |
| 18:01.44 | asg | Seth_Hikaru_: /msg dpkg build-essential |
| 18:01.46 | Seth_Hikaru_ | but i have no idea where the kernel c header files are |
| 18:01.50 | sway | flami: thank you |
| 18:01.58 | sway | greycat: that makes sense. thank you for explaining that to me |
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| 18:02.27 | greycat | Seth_Hikaru_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:02.28 | markybob | Seth_Hikaru_, aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 18:03.18 | greycat | markybob: I find people are less often confused by $() than by `` |
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| 18:03.37 | Seth_Hikaru | greycat and markybob |
| 18:03.37 | Seth_Hikaru | I already did that. |
| 18:03.42 | flami | sway : well yes if you later want to open a txt that has those fance microsoft endings and your editor doesnt understand those line endings itll format uncorrectly , doesnt me that and bits were "lost". |
| 18:03.58 | Seth_Hikaru | VMWare Workstation 6.5 uses a graphical install |
| 18:04.02 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: what makes you think you need kernel headers? are you getting some error? |
| 18:04.06 | flami | jebus my error rate is amazing |
| 18:04.07 | Seth_Hikaru | So most of the stuff is graphical |
| 18:04.17 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: does it say what exactly file or directory is missing? |
| 18:04.18 | Seth_Hikaru | stew yes I am |
| 18:04.19 | Hamm | hi |
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| 18:04.35 | Seth_Hikaru | no but it tells you what is missing |
| 18:04.36 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: what is the error? |
| 18:04.39 | greycat | showing us the error message would help |
| 18:04.39 | Hamm | confidential |
| 18:05.03 | asg | Hamm: redacted |
| 18:05.03 | Seth_Hikaru | stew: I'd raher have you look over vnc. |
| 18:05.24 | WormFood | Seth_Hikaru, don't let random people login to your computer |
| 18:05.25 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: i'd rather have you try http://vmware.com/support |
| 18:05.27 | Titan8990 | Seth_Hikaru, good luck with that |
| 18:05.30 | Seth_Hikaru | It's too much to type |
| 18:05.37 | stew | then I can't be bothered either |
| 18:05.43 | Titan8990 | Seth_Hikaru, copy and paste or take a screenshot.... |
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| 18:05.44 | Seth_Hikaru | yeah no |
| 18:05.55 | abrotman | picpaste ? |
| 18:05.56 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm pretty sure its simple |
| 18:05.56 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 18:05.56 | asg | Seth_Hikaru: take a screenshot or pastebin the error |
| 18:06.04 | Seth_Hikaru | ill get one here |
| 18:06.09 | abrotman | maybe he should use #vmware if he really needs that much help ? |
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| 18:07.11 | greycat | wonders if anyone will ever grow a brain cell and decide to configure freenode so that if someone joins or queries, say, #c or #sed, which doesn't exist, that freenode would direct them silently to ##c or ##sed instead. |
| 18:07.24 | greycat | having given up on them growing TWO brain cells to reverse the ## policy |
| 18:07.26 | abrotman | greycat: there is forwarding .. |
| 18:07.44 | stew | abrotman: the forwarding is only done temporarily though |
| 18:07.48 | asg | abrotman: that implies having a brain cell though |
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| 18:08.10 | abrotman | oh really? how long is "temporarily"? and why only temporarily? |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | abrotman: apparently they want every helper in every channel on the entire network to memorize how many # signs there are in front of every channel they could ever possibly need to direct someone to. |
| 18:08.46 | stew | abrotman: there is no defined length of time. because. |
| 18:09.05 | stew | yes, what greycat said... |
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| 18:09.13 | greycat | so I have to know to send people to ##c or #awk or ##sed or ##php or #debian or ... |
| 18:09.42 | abrotman | isn't it ######c now? :) |
| 18:10.13 | Seth_Hikaru | yeah i think its ######c now |
| 18:10.35 | asg | abrotman: perhaps a #ifatfirstyoudontsuc#c#try##c |
| 18:10.43 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Perhaps some brain cells on behalf of the user, including reading help files an learning how to search for channels. |
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| 18:11.42 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: when someone asks a sed question in bash I used to send them to #sed. Now I have to send them to ##sed. If I'm in the middle of typing something to them, I can't use "/list #sed" or "/list ##sed" even to find OUT which one exists. My IRC client doesn't let me postpone a typed line, run commands, then resume the postponed text. |
| 18:12.05 | Titan8990 | doesn't the server redirct say, #linux to ##linux or is that handled by the client? |
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| 18:12.13 | greycat | And I resent the fact that additional burden is being put on ME to have to look that fucking crap up. |
| 18:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Mine allows it. |
| 18:12.29 | stew | greycat: which irc client are you using? |
| 18:12.36 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: It's not freenode's fault. |
| 18:12.43 | stew | greycat: and I'd recommend using the alis service instead of /list |
| 18:12.51 | greycat | stew: another thing I'm supposed to memorize. |
| 18:12.58 | greycat | Oh, and it's more typing too. |
| 18:13.00 | flami | greycat: erm I just tried #c and ##sed and both get me to ###c ########sed ;) . woots the problem ? |
| 18:13.09 | stew | greycat: which client are you using? |
| 18:13.12 | greycat | stew: irssi |
| 18:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Nobody's requiring to memorize stuff. I keep a notepad of stuff. |
| 18:13.34 | stew | greycat: down arrow lets you suspend what you are typing then up arrow will let you resume the postponed text |
| 18:14.03 | greycat | stew: ah, nifty. Thanks. |
| 18:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | I knew someone who used to think he was being really cool constantly redirecting queries to a dedicated channel - until he found out that the channel didn't actualy have any users. |
| 18:14.36 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok |
| 18:14.53 | Seth_Hikaru | Heres the screenshot |
| 18:14.53 | Seth_Hikaru | http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3431/vmwareerror.png |
| 18:15.05 | sthon | start pointing people to dalnet or something |
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| 18:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: konversation also lets me swap tabs; I can do a channel list with it's helper or manually from another tab. |
| 18:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: It preserves whatever I've entered on a line if I switch to another tab. |
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| 18:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | IOW it has a per-tab input buffer. |
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| 18:17.12 | jhutchins_lt | It will ALSO usually find the right channel if I just /join sed |
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| 18:18.08 | greycat | "/msg alis list #sed" tells me there's nothing. (It does this by saying "Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching '#sed'" and then "End of output") |
| 18:18.19 | greycat | so then I have to try again with the next name. |
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| 18:19.07 | greycat | so am I supposed to tell people who are demonstrably *not clever enough to have found the right channel in the first place* to go to a channel that may or may not exist, and pray that their clients are more clever than they are? |
| 18:19.46 | Bombo | hi |
| 18:19.53 | danielig | hi, I have trouble with the upgrade of postfix 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64, this seems to be an apt- problem |
| 18:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | /join sed joins ##sed |
| 18:20.23 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: in every client? |
| 18:20.24 | Titan8990 | judd, versions postfix |
| 18:20.25 | judd | Titan8990: postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.5.5-1.1 sid: 2.6.5-3 squeeze: 2.6.5-3 |
| 18:20.35 | Sergio` | Anyone knows of a sip client that can record calls? |
| 18:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Not necessarily, but it works for me. |
| 18:20.39 | Titan8990 | danielig, where did you get it? |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: that means I AS A HELPER OF OTHER PEOPLE cannot use it. |
| 18:21.00 | danielig | get what? postfix? |
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| 18:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Sure you can. /join sed, check the tabname, use that. |
| 18:21.22 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 18:21.24 | danielig | Titan8990: you want to see my sources.list? |
| 18:21.31 | Titan8990 | danielig, yeah... that version of postfix that doesn't appear to be available in debian |
| 18:21.36 | Titan8990 | danielig, sure |
| 18:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Or stop trying to spoonfeed people. |
| 18:22.07 | Titan8990 | lol greycat accused of spoonfeeding people |
| 18:22.14 | Titan8990 | thats new |
| 18:22.22 | Bombo | i got lenny running and apache doesnt start at boot time, dpkg-reconfigure apache2 doesnt set links for runlevel 2, and the machine is runing on runlevel 'N 2' after booting, what can i do now? |
| 18:22.46 | Bombo | why doesnt the standard apache2 start on runlevel 2? |
| 18:22.51 | sthon | invoke-rc.d apache2 start |
| 18:22.52 | Titan8990 | Bombo, update-rc.d apache2 default |
| 18:22.52 | greycat | I can see the policy is so ingrained that it has its own apologists already. So much for any chance of reversing it. |
| 18:23.03 | greycat | Bombo: it... does. |
| 18:23.14 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Been there as long as I've known freenode. Make yourself a list. |
| 18:23.29 | greycat | Bombo: you must have removed /etc/rc2.d/S20apache2 or whatever, at some point in the past. |
| 18:23.41 | Bombo | Titan8990: doesnt create links in rc2.d |
| 18:23.50 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 18:23.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:23.59 | Bombo | greycat: nope its a frash install |
| 18:24.05 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: update-rc.d creates them by default. If you've deleted one or more of them manually, they won't be created |
| 18:24.07 | Bombo | fresh even |
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| 18:24.16 | greycat | Bombo: something's wrong with your system in particular. Whenever I've installed apache2, it has run in run level 2. |
| 18:24.20 | danielig | Titan8990: oops I took the one from my serverhost... freenet.de, backports.org... that should not be on there eh? |
| 18:24.54 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: i havent |
| 18:25.14 | Bombo | how does update-rc.d get the defaults |
| 18:25.19 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: if it gives you any insight into how long I've been here, I still type "/con opn" to come here. |
| 18:25.21 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: it's invoked by the postinst script |
| 18:25.30 | Titan8990 | danielig, yeah... i knew right off the bat it wasn't an official .deb package because of the "etchnhalf" in the version name |
| 18:25.41 | Titan8990 | danielig, remove it or change your apt policy |
| 18:25.50 | Bombo | probably defaults were edited so that it doesnt create the level2 links |
| 18:25.57 | danielig | http://pastie.org/666984 I thought so ... there is no etchnhalf eh? |
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| 18:26.12 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: nope |
| 18:26.16 | danielig | what do you mean with apt policy? |
| 18:26.17 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey guys I need some help with VMWare workstation |
| 18:26.18 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: all it does is call update-rc.d apache2 defaults 91 09; |
| 18:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason I can't seem to get nfs-kernel-server to start. |
| 18:26.34 | Seth_Hikaru | It's can't find my kernel header files |
| 18:26.34 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: when i type 'update-rc.d apache2 defaults' ? |
| 18:26.34 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, is that what they called etch backports? |
| 18:26.34 | Seth_Hikaru | It* |
| 18:26.45 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: ? |
| 18:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't appear in rcconf either. |
| 18:26.56 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: hmmm |
| 18:26.59 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: then 91 09 there is important |
| 18:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | The init file appears to have the proper headers. |
| 18:27.09 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: make sure there's a non-empty /etc/exports |
| 18:27.13 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, i must have misunderstood, i thought you were trying to show me that there is an etchnhalf |
| 18:27.30 | Bombo | $ update-rc.d apache2 defaults 91 09 System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. |
| 18:27.40 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: so, there you go. |
| 18:27.40 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Yep. The links in rc* aren't being created. |
| 18:28.18 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: if you don't have /etc/rc2.d/*apache2, then it's because you had other links in place when you configured apache, so they aren't created. |
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| 18:28.42 | dondelelcaro | as to how you got to such a situtation, you're probably the best person to know |
| 18:28.43 | Bombo | ls: cannot access /etc/rc2.d/*apache*: No such file or directory |
| 18:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | Ah HA! In rc3 but not rc2 |
| 18:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: that's fine; you probably have some other links, check out /etc/rc?.d/*apache2; |
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| 18:29.33 | jhutchins_lt | # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
| 18:29.43 | fisxoj | can I resize a windows partition in debian installer? |
| 18:29.44 | dondelelcaro | if you have any links, more of them won't be created |
| 18:29.50 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: yes 0 1 3 4 5 6 |
| 18:29.50 | dondelelcaro | fisxoj: yes |
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| 18:30.01 | fisxoj | dondelelcaro: can you tell me how, please? |
| 18:30.07 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: so there you go. You deleted the link in runlevel 2, or you had them to start with. |
| 18:30.09 | fisxoj | I'm at the partitioning section |
| 18:30.12 | dondelelcaro | fisxoj: the install guide discusses it |
| 18:30.22 | Titan8990 | dpkg, why aptitude |
| 18:30.22 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 18:30.28 | Titan8990 | oops |
| 18:30.38 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: no i didn't, really ;) |
| 18:30.43 | Cain | in /etc/crontab file i can specify MAILTO=username <== can i use a mail instead of username (e.g MAILTO=toto@toto.com) ? |
| 18:30.48 | jhutchins_lt | No, there are Kill links, but no Start links. |
| 18:30.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey I need some help here please. |
| 18:30.55 | asg | Cain: yes |
| 18:31.07 | Cain | asg : great ! thx ^^ |
| 18:31.23 | Seth_Hikaru | VMWare Workstation is ittitating me. |
| 18:31.27 | Bombo | dondelelcaro: shouldnt dpkg-reconfigure apache2 fix that? |
| 18:31.27 | Seth_Hikaru | It can't find my kernel c header files |
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| 18:31.48 | Seth_Hikaru | Any ideas? |
| 18:32.01 | dondelelcaro | Bombo: no. |
| 18:32.01 | fisxoj | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll read that |
| 18:32.06 | dondelelcaro | fisxoj: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition; |
| 18:32.09 | asg | Seth_Hikaru: install the module-assistant package and run 'm-a prepare' |
| 18:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: So you're pretty familiar with init link maintenance? |
| 18:32.17 | dondelelcaro | fisxoj: basically, you just select the partition, and then resize it |
| 18:32.37 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: relatively, yes. |
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| 18:32.41 | fisxoj | dondelelcaro: even though d-i doesn't seem to know about ntfs? |
| 18:32.50 | Seth_Hikaru | asg |
| 18:32.51 | Seth_Hikaru | What? |
| 18:32.53 | dondelelcaro | fisxoj: it uses gnuparted, which can |
| 18:32.59 | Bombo | hmmm ok i did update-rc.d -f apache2 remove; update-rc.d apache2 defaults |
| 18:32.59 | Seth_Hikaru | where's that? |
| 18:33.04 | Bombo | that fixes it |
| 18:33.18 | asg | Seth_Hikaru: aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; go on with doing whatever VMWare wants. |
| 18:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: For some reason I don't have any Start links for nfs-kernel-server. I have kill links, I have Start links for nfs-common, but the server has to be started manually. |
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| 18:33.40 | Bombo | its really strange i really did not touch that links |
| 18:34.33 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: create the start links, then? |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: have oyu asked #vmware yet? |
| 18:34.35 | Bombo | its a fresh install ok its a remote vserver, maybe the hoster removed it by default but why should they do that hm |
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| 18:34.57 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: you can do it using update-rc.d, or you can do it manually; either one works. |
| 18:34.59 | jhutchins_lt | update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server defaults says they already exist. The init file headers Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
| 18:35.39 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: right, update-rc.d won't create any links if they exist if you use defaults; you have to create specific links |
| 18:35.44 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: or you can just do them manually using ln |
| 18:36.13 | Seth_Hikaru | abrotman: Yes I did. |
| 18:36.13 | Seth_Hikaru | They said go here. |
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| 18:36.22 | Seth_Hikaru | They don't deal with specific distros |
| 18:36.22 | Seth_Hikaru | asg |
| 18:36.23 | jhutchins_lt | So maybe update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server 2 3 4 5 maybe? |
| 18:36.27 | Bombo | jhutchins_lt: or remove them and then create them with defaults like i just did, you seem to have the same prob like me ;() |
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| 18:36.35 | Seth_Hikaru | asg: That worked. |
| 18:36.35 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks |
| 18:36.49 | Bombo | jhutchins_lt: update-rc.d -f nfs-kernel-server remove; update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server defaults |
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| 18:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | Bombo: Worked, thanks. Probably something ltsp did for me. |
| 18:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | Great to get that fixed. |
| 18:39.02 | Bombo | jhutchins_lt: ;) |
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| 18:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | prefers to work with the system if he can figure how what the heck it is. |
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| 18:44.04 | EasyTUX | !xssh |
| 18:44.21 | EasyTUX | sh.. |
| 18:44.42 | EasyTUX | dpkg: xssh. |
| 18:44.42 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, EasyTUX |
| 18:44.52 | EasyTUX | dpkg: sshx. |
| 18:44.52 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 18:44.59 | EasyTUX | eh. |
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| 18:52.43 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there anyway to remove the GNOME games without removing the desktop environment? |
| 18:53.09 | greycat | just remove the games package(s) and whatever meta-packages depend on them. |
| 18:53.36 | greycat | e.g. aptitude remove gnome-games gnome-games-data |
| 18:53.54 | abrotman | !tell Seth_Hikaru about unmarkauto |
| 18:54.00 | simonrvn | gnome-desktop-environment can go too. it won't remove anything |
| 18:54.12 | Seth_Hikaru | oh so i will still have my gui? |
| 18:54.12 | greycat | that's one of those meta-packages. |
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| 18:54.26 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 18:54.36 | Seth_Hikaru | how about the core? |
| 18:54.50 | simonrvn | Seth_Hikaru: "your gui" is x, gnome runs on top of that. |
| 18:54.50 | Seth_Hikaru | can that go? |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | but if he's used aptitude, and he tries to remove gnome-games, and it will then try to remove gnome-desktop-environment, and then it will remove everything that metapackage sucked in |
| 18:55.02 | greycat | removing "gnome-desktop-environment" is utterly harmless. it's just a wrapper that brings in lots of other packages. |
| 18:55.18 | greycat | you probably don't want to remove gnome-core. |
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| 18:55.44 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 18:55.47 | greycat | abrotman: meh, I think I'll just stick with apt-get |
| 18:55.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: well see, that's why the first time i run aptitude somewhere i uncheck the install recommneds pref ;). |
| 18:56.05 | simonrvn | *mends |
| 18:57.08 | ripps | Are there any debian developers in here who can sponsor some of my packages on mentors.debian |
| 18:57.47 | bipolar | can anyone recomend a way to control configuration files on workstations via packages? For my specific case, all my workstations are setup to use ldap auth (nss & pam). I would like to be able to add a workstation to the sytem by installing a package that contains the proper dependancies and automaticly configures the workstation without asking any questions. |
| 18:57.59 | bipolar | I suppose I could do it with a postinst script.... |
| 18:58.30 | bipolar | but i would have to have a way to back out my changes if I remove the package. lot's of hand scripting in that case. |
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| 19:01.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: has nothing to do with recommends or not .. it's the markauto/unmarkauto stuff |
| 19:01.23 | abrotman | ripps: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:04.17 | pha | hey there - anyone know where I would find the config where I can add flags for pure-ftpd? |
| 19:04.40 | pha | the user flags like -E -w that sort of thing. |
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| 19:05.10 | abrotman | to compile or run? |
| 19:05.21 | Frx | hello. |
| 19:05.30 | abrotman | pha: check the initscript |
| 19:05.37 | pha | well, i've compiled it to the best of the docs that are out there (google incl). |
| 19:05.45 | pha | but nothing points to where those flags would be. |
| 19:05.47 | greycat | so you're not using a Debian package? |
| 19:05.48 | Frx | abortman : what do people mean by stable? old packages ? |
| 19:06.02 | greycat | !tell Frx about stable |
| 19:06.26 | Frx | is now arch linux has the latest bleeding edge packages, does that make it unstable |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | pha: why didn't you use the Debian package ? |
| 19:06.33 | Frx | greycat, not in that sense. |
| 19:06.38 | greycat | we don't handle arch linux questions here. |
| 19:06.53 | Frx | so* not is |
| 19:07.00 | pha | I did use the package. |
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| 19:07.10 | pha | apt-get |
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| 19:07.22 | abrotman | you just said you compiled it ? |
| 19:07.24 | Frx | greycat : that was a example to make the quation regarding debian a bit more clear |
| 19:07.26 | Frx | an* |
| 19:07.31 | pha | configured it sorry. |
| 19:07.33 | greycat | pha: you either compiled it yourself, or you used a Debian package. these are mutually exclusive. |
| 19:07.43 | abrotman | Frx: you'd have to ask the Arch channel if it makes it unstable .. we cannot comment on their distro |
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| 19:08.26 | Bombo | i got a problem: ~100 mails in the mailq with the wrong from: adress 'www-data@localhost.localdomain' so they bounce back, is there a way to fix that? i had a fresh install of postfix, but just localhost.localdomain in /etc/mailname now i fixed that with the real FQDN, reloaded postfix but mailq -q shows still the same |
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| 19:09.10 | greycat | Bombo: probably best to ask the postfix channel |
| 19:09.30 | greycat | jhutchins_lt will probably be glad to look up what that channel name is for you on his physical notepad |
| 19:09.42 | Bombo | greycat: i did, it was quiet |
| 19:10.20 | Bombo | more happening here and probably someone knows the answer |
| 19:10.20 | pha | sorry about the confusion - I installed it via the package manager, followed the website exactly - and I can get it running - I just can't find where I would edit to add in the extra flags needed. |
| 19:10.28 | Bombo | or maybe not |
| 19:11.04 | greycat | pha: as suggested earlier, check the package's init script (in /etc/init.d) if it has one. If it starts from inetd, check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 19:11.35 | greycat | pha: a *very* small number of packages use a config file in /etc/default/ - if so, the init script will mention it at some point |
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| 19:12.01 | b_52light | hi |
| 19:12.02 | pha | I did - the only doccumentation I can find that has anything related to that was to comment out the ftp field - which was already done by default. |
| 19:12.14 | pha | I appreciate this help though, so thank-you. |
| 19:12.21 | stew | pha: you edit the command line for pure-ftpd by dropping new file into /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/ |
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| 19:13.12 | stew | pha: look at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper |
| 19:13.20 | pha | ahh, you are a godsend - thanks very much stew. |
| 19:13.34 | greycat | wow, that's... different. |
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| 19:14.10 | greycat | stew, reader of obscure weird-package documentation for others! |
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| 19:18.44 | danielig | how was that to install the packages that "have been kept back"? forgot the line in apt-get... |
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| 19:19.29 | stew | greycat: well, former user of pure-ftpd |
| 19:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | danielig: You mean dist-upgrade? |
| 19:20.47 | danielig | I am not sure when I do any apt- command it will tell me that some packages have been kept back, yes, there is a new kernel there, as well, do I have to dist-upgrade? |
| 19:21.08 | stew | danielig: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 19:38.42 | helo | how can i see what is bound to a given port? |
| 19:38.49 | greycat | lsof -i :portnumber |
| 19:39.07 | greycat | or, netstat -antp | grep :portnumber |
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| 19:40.00 | pha | stew - can't thank you enough for that mate, works perfect. |
| 19:40.07 | pha | and thanks for your help too greycat. |
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| 19:42.15 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 19:42.16 | helo | ty |
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| 19:43.04 | dkay | Hello, how to start applications as user when the OS is booting? |
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| 19:43.37 | brbrbr | dkay cron ? |
| 19:43.46 | greycat | dkay: write an init.d script and inside it, use "su username -c /your/command" at some appropriate point |
| 19:43.46 | dkay | no not cron or? |
| 19:43.52 | brbrbr | meant "start on DE after log-in" ? |
| 19:43.53 | LuciusMare | i installed debian by this - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html - tutorial,on an external disk.Everything was edited to use the disk labels instead of /devices,because i will travel with that disk.Everything went well,i think,but when i try to load it,instead of seeing the grub menu,it throws me to...the grub.You know,when you type grub in console.I do not know what could cause it.Any ideas? |
| 19:44.05 | dkay | no at system boot |
| 19:44.11 | brbrbr | oh |
| 19:44.12 | LuciusMare | i can upload the disk image |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | brbrbr: "an @reboot in crontab" is also acceptable sometimes. depends on what he's doing. |
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| 19:44.41 | dkay | for what this -c stands for? |
| 19:44.45 | brbrbr | initscripts is fine. |
| 19:44.54 | ukl | hello. Running testing, I'm trying to use hcitool and bluetooth-agent to use my mobile phone as HID device via bluetooth. Something's messed in my mind, I cannot get it to work and I don't know what to try next. What's the basic way it should work? 1) "# bluetooth-agent 1234", 2) tell mobile to connect to the laptop? the mobile phone doesn't think the laptop could be usable with the HID-device application... |
| 19:44.56 | greycat | dkay: man su |
| 19:45.00 | brbrbr | just pick proper runlevel |
| 19:45.00 | dkay | su username -c /path/to./startscript |
| 19:45.10 | dkay | su username -c /path/to/./startscript |
| 19:45.22 | greycat | you don't need ./ in there |
| 19:45.32 | dkay | su username -c /path/to/startscript start |
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| 19:45.44 | brah | Is there any way to get Gnome to not display 'script.sh is an executable text file.. run in terminal display close run'? |
| 19:45.51 | dkay | it is teamspeak |
| 19:45.54 | brah | Upon double clicking script.sh |
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| 19:46.38 | dkay | maybe right click | propertys/settings |
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| 19:47.02 | dkay | and set default action |
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| 19:47.38 | LuciusMare | please? |
| 19:47.57 | brah | No such item, dkay |
| 19:48.12 | brah | I don't want to remove the window globally as it would be a huge security breach, executing any sh on double click |
| 19:48.13 | flower | how do I prevent a package from being installed using /etc/apt/preferences? I read something about p < 0 |
| 19:48.20 | brah | I just want to execute this one particularily on double click |
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| 19:49.22 | flower | let say I never ever want to install pulseaudio |
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| 19:49.30 | flower | for example |
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| 19:50.41 | flower | any version |
| 19:51.15 | LuciusMare | i installed debian by this - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html - tutorial,on an external disk.Everything was edited to use the disk labels instead of /devices,because i will travel with that disk.Everything went well,i think,but when i try to load it,instead of seeing the grub menu,it throws me to...the grub.You know,when you type grub in console.I do not know what could cause it.Any ideas? |
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| 19:52.36 | greycat | is that similar to what one might see if one had grub installed in the MBR but no accessible Linux file system with a boot/grub/menu.lst file available? |
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| 19:53.10 | LuciusMare | greycat: no idea |
| 19:53.16 | danielig | okay, now I did dist-upgrade and this killed my system, it doesn't start up again, what can I do remotely? |
| 19:53.33 | justin | danielig: what did you do? |
| 19:53.35 | LuciusMare | greycat: i will pastebin my menu and devicelist |
| 19:53.38 | danielig | I get a rescue system and can modify stuff there. |
| 19:53.48 | danielig | I did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:53.50 | flower | mmh this might work: http://pastebin.com/m608e555f |
| 19:54.02 | greycat | danielig: from what to what? |
| 19:54.08 | Titan8990 | danielig, with those 3rd party repo in your sources? |
| 19:54.51 | danielig | I have had a strange kernel, then removed the strange repos from my sources.list did apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and then restarted. |
| 19:55.03 | danielig | well, that was the last I have seen from my machine... |
| 19:55.07 | LuciusMare | greycat: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3ff7def7 |
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| 19:55.29 | danielig | hetzner provides me with a rescue system, but I don't know where to start from here... |
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| 19:55.43 | greycat | danielig: try booting the previous kernel |
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| 19:55.57 | danielig | how then greycat? |
| 19:56.06 | greycat | how the hell would I know? |
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| 19:56.13 | Titan8990 | select it from the grub menu? |
| 19:56.25 | Titan8990 | modify menu.lst to boot it by default? |
| 19:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | change the default? |
| 19:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | lilo -R oldkernel;shutdown -r now? |
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| 19:57.20 | LuciusMare | nobody knows? :( |
| 19:58.05 | danielig | Titan8990: is talking to me... ? jhutchins_lt version is better? |
| 19:59.03 | greycat | it's not likely you want to try something based on lilo, unless you specifically know that you already use lilo |
| 19:59.19 | danielig | I am probably using grub... |
| 19:59.39 | danielig | I am not so sure it was ages since I last had to go down on that level... |
| 19:59.42 | greycat | right, so editing menu.lst is a potential solution |
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| 20:00.12 | xerophyte | how can i install email server on the server, which not be used my apache or php ? |
| 20:00.18 | LuciusMare | This is so hard to answer?We all started,i have no idea what should cause it |
| 20:00.49 | greycat | xerophyte: just install whichever MTA you want to use (exim4 or postfix or sendmail or whatever) |
| 20:01.04 | greycat | LuciusMare: I gave you my guess. |
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| 20:02.40 | xerophyte | greycat: how can i configure the MTA not abuse by php or any other script runs on the server |
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| 20:03.13 | greycat | you want to specifically prohibit it from receiving mail from any PHP processes? that might be tricky. |
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| 20:04.03 | greycat | I'm not sure how you'd be able to identify which sending processes are PHP and which are not. |
| 20:04.05 | Titan8990 | don't run php scripts that would do that? |
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| 20:04.14 | mo2000 | hello |
| 20:04.19 | grul | hi guy |
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| 20:07.25 | xerophyte | greycat: hmmm |
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| 20:08.01 | danielig | so I have 4 kernels in my menu.lst I just commented out the kernels that made the error... it was a downgrade from 24 to 18... |
| 20:08.11 | danielig | strange names etchnhalf... |
| 20:08.29 | danielig | I want to switch to lenny but I guess that this is risky... |
| 20:08.40 | greycat | danielig: is it back up and running on the older kernel now? |
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| 20:08.53 | danielig | I am waiting... |
| 20:09.16 | danielig | it is somewhere remote... |
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| 20:09.50 | rajeshsr | hi all |
| 20:09.56 | rajeshsr | i have a lenny dvd |
| 20:09.59 | danielig | oh, I forgot, I also installed openssh server and client anew... |
| 20:10.02 | rajeshsr | i am in etch now |
| 20:10.07 | rajeshsr | i wanna upgrade to lenny |
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| 20:10.13 | rajeshsr | is tat possible with the dvd? |
| 20:10.20 | danielig | great rajeshsr |
| 20:10.39 | mo2000 | did change from -686 kernel to -amd64 kernel need some special attention? |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | rajeshsr: depending on what packages you have installed from etch, it may potentially want upgraded packages that aren't on your DVD. |
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| 20:11.26 | greycat | mo2000: yeah, it breaks things that expect "x86_64" in the uname output to mean that it's a 64-bit system, since it's really still a 32-bit system with the wrong kernel. |
| 20:11.45 | greycat | mo2000: solution is to use the -686 kernel instead. by hand if necessary. that's what I did. |
| 20:11.58 | rajeshsr | greycat, i prefer a combination of dvd and net. Relying purely on net may not be good for me as it may take a lot of time! |
| 20:12.10 | greycat | rajeshsr: ok, that should be fine then |
| 20:12.14 | danielig | rajeshsr so your are fine. |
| 20:12.18 | danielig | oops |
| 20:12.23 | rajeshsr | greycat, so how am i to do? |
| 20:12.32 | rajeshsr | i don't find anything abt using my dvd to do it |
| 20:12.35 | danielig | you should add the dvd to your sources list |
| 20:12.41 | rajeshsr | just put tat in my sources.list? |
| 20:12.45 | greycat | rajeshsr: add the DVD to the sources.list file |
| 20:13.02 | rajeshsr | greycat, and change all else to lenny? |
| 20:13.09 | danielig | greycat... no luck with my server, it appears to stay down... |
| 20:13.17 | danielig | yes rajeshsr |
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| 20:13.34 | Titan8990 | danielig, error? |
| 20:13.51 | greycat | rajeshsr: bear in mind that if your DVD is older than the security updates for lenny are, you'll end up download lots more than you get from the DVD |
| 20:13.59 | mo2000 | greycat: my simple problem: ATI fglrx did not work with 686-bigmem i need to get my 4th GB of Memory... ATI fglrx on -686 kernel works perfect... so what to do ... reinstall a complet new system? |
| 20:14.02 | danielig | no connectivity... I have to reboot again with the rescue system to read my error logs... |
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| 20:14.25 | flower | when a package x is pinned to prevent from install and you do aptitude install x , will /etc/apt/preferences been overwritten? |
| 20:14.31 | shivraj | I have an ati 4850 graphics card |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | mo2000: figure out why it didn't work. maybe you need to (re)compile the fglrx kernel driver part for the bigmem kernel. |
| 20:14.37 | Titan8990 | mo2000, i am not recommending it but it is possible to run a 64bit kernel in 32bit userspace |
| 20:14.37 | shivraj | how come its not recognizing it ? |
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| 20:14.47 | rajeshsr | greycat, oh! so how long it usually takes to update from etch to lenny via net? |
| 20:15.04 | mederEsite | i have open office and lenny - what feature/application can I use to combine either multiple pdfs or multiple word docs? |
| 20:15.11 | Titan8990 | rajeshsr, that will all depend on what applications you have |
| 20:15.12 | greycat | rajeshsr: depends on how much you have to download and how fast your connection is. |
| 20:15.27 | mo2000 | shivraj: ohhh ATI 4850... you have fun wenn using more than 3GB of memory... |
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| 20:15.38 | Titan8990 | rajeshsr, something like openoffice would dramatically increase the time it takes (whats it like 300mb+ now?) |
| 20:15.51 | danielig | Titan8990 maybe it was down to a new version of the opensshd and client. that was not configured completely because I have this strange distro called ubuntu here at my desk that keeps interrupting my ssh sessions output on the xconsole and I have no getty. |
| 20:16.08 | danielig | I wish I stayed with debian on my home machine, shame on me.. |
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| 20:16.32 | rajeshsr | What abt doing all updates with the DVD first |
| 20:16.34 | greycat | you should be able to provide a console getty by editing inittab, unless they've completely done away with system V init |
| 20:16.36 | rajeshsr | and then move on to net? |
| 20:16.53 | mo2000 | greycat: i recompiled allready... i have 2 syscalls failing and changing Session is not possibel... notr change to console |
| 20:17.00 | rajeshsr | by selecting packages manually, for i have lots of packages which i won't care to update! :) |
| 20:17.06 | rajeshsr | is tat a gud option? |
| 20:17.08 | greycat | rajeshsr: I don't think that's wise. there might be something the DVD can't provide at all, if you have unusual stuff installed |
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| 20:17.37 | rajeshsr | greycat, yeah i do have a lot of packages here :) |
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| 20:19.15 | rajeshsr | how ma i to find the dvd label? |
| 20:19.18 | rajeshsr | *am |
| 20:19.30 | rajeshsr | i need to put in source.list, any idea? |
| 20:20.08 | greycat | rajeshsr: I think "apt-cdrom" is still the thing to use. |
| 20:20.18 | danielig | anyway. Titan8990 I have a failed system. I am going for error search... |
| 20:20.36 | rajeshsr | greycat, oh, ok, thanks |
| 20:20.38 | Titan8990 | danielig, pastebin what you find |
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| 20:21.10 | rajeshsr | any1 has any other suggestion of heavy packages like open office? lemme try to remove them! :) |
| 20:21.13 | LuciusMare | I have a system on a external hard drive.How do i tell it to boot from partition labeled by --- ?Do i need to change the device.map ? |
| 20:21.19 | rajeshsr | and the reinstall wen i get back |
| 20:21.21 | mo2000 | Titan8990: to bad... amd64 kernelmodule is not building on x86 system... wrong relocation |
| 20:21.34 | greycat | rajeshsr: I don't see how that's better than just doing the upgrade |
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| 20:21.53 | Titan8990 | mo2000, no, i mean 64bit kernel on a 32bit system, again, i am not recommending it |
| 20:22.05 | Titan8990 | but if you want to research and play, your now aware of it |
| 20:22.09 | Trostx | im using debian lenny atm, but i want to test kde |
| 20:22.13 | Trostx | if i do apt-get install kde |
| 20:22.20 | Trostx | then remove it later using apt-get remove kde |
| 20:22.26 | Trostx | would that have any effect on my system |
| 20:22.41 | greycat | it would leave KDE configuration files behind |
| 20:23.03 | greycat | (also, apt-get remove kde won't remove it all) |
| 20:23.20 | danielig | Titan8990: I have just a clean shutdown in my syslog... |
| 20:23.39 | Titan8990 | danielig, thats because syslog starts on runlevel 2 |
| 20:23.42 | LuciusMare | I have a system on a external hard drive.How do i tell it to boot from partition labeled by --- ?Do i need to change the device.map ? |
| 20:23.49 | Titan8990 | danielig, you are likely not even getting the kernel to boot, check dmesg |
| 20:23.59 | danielig | okay.. |
| 20:24.00 | Trostx | greycat : kde config files that the system is effected by? |
| 20:24.02 | danielig | :q |
| 20:24.17 | danielig | sorry that was meant for my vi... |
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| 20:24.29 | mo2000 | Titan8990: the nightmare didnt end... i started with XEN... then is see ATI and Xen is a fail... now i tryed KVM... using -686 kernel and it worked perfect... then i installed a Logi G13 with some Stat tools and i see only 3 GB Memory... one GB is missing (i have two 3870) |
| 20:24.31 | greycat | Trostx: you'll want to either use aptitude, or learn how to remove kde using apt-get |
| 20:24.44 | greycat | !remove kde |
| 20:24.44 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). |
| 20:24.58 | Titan8990 | mo2000, you might want to do what i do and only buy nvidia because fglrx is crap |
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| 20:25.43 | Trostx | i thought aptitude and apt-get now are the same |
| 20:25.54 | mo2000 | Titan8990: you want to tell me that XEN and nVidea is working? |
| 20:26.17 | greycat | why does one require virtualization and high-end graphics together? |
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| 20:26.23 | Titan8990 | mo2000, can't comment on that |
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| 20:26.51 | greycat | I always thought virtualization was more of a web hosting company thing... |
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| 20:27.17 | mo2000 | greycat: very simle: space for my legs.... 5 computers below the desk is definitivly to much |
| 20:27.26 | danielig | Titan8990: how do I best get my dmesg from the terminal to the pastie? |
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| 20:27.53 | Titan8990 | danielig, aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/dmesg |
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| 20:27.59 | grendal_prime | hmm...wish there was a way to just add that as an option when you update the machine. |
| 20:28.14 | danielig | this is a remote rescue system.. |
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| 20:28.20 | Cain | how to check if a cron job works fine ? |
| 20:28.27 | grendal_prime | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list |
| 20:28.38 | greycat | Cain: that would rather depend on what the job does. |
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| 20:28.39 | PyroPhelia | Does anybody know if there is such a program that will allow me to keep track of multiple dynamic IP hosts remotely. I know viruses can do it, is there anything that can do that legitly? For example I have a dynamic IP and I can ping my domain host every 3 minutes with my currently IP and the dns for my domain will always be the current IP. I want to be able to do that with dynamic clients that I need to do remote admin work on |
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| 20:28.50 | Titan8990 | danielig, copy and paste from your w/e to host machine? |
| 20:28.56 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: dnydns |
| 20:29.01 | Cain | greycat : an execution of a php script |
| 20:29.03 | Titan8990 | danielig, rescue system == what? |
| 20:29.13 | danielig | Cain set it to current time +2 minutes and then look if it does in two minutes |
| 20:29.13 | greycat | Cain: check the thing the php script was supposed to do and see if it got done. |
| 20:29.27 | danielig | Titan8990: lennybased.. |
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| 20:29.39 | Cain | greycat : if i run the command on shell it works |
| 20:29.45 | Cain | but in the cron |
| 20:29.46 | Cain | nothing |
| 20:29.57 | Trostx | so now to remove kde i need to aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data ? |
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| 20:30.02 | Trostx | why not just apt-get remove kde? |
| 20:30.05 | greycat | I can't help you debug PHP scripts. I don't know PHP. |
| 20:30.09 | PyroPhelia | abortman, you mean dyndns right? |
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| 20:30.21 | greycat | Trostx: "kde" is just a top-level meta-package that depends on the real packages. |
| 20:30.24 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: yes |
| 20:30.37 | greycat | Trostx: apt-get would only remove the meta-package and leave the hundreds of little KDE packages installed |
| 20:30.45 | Cain | greycat : i think it have nothing to do with php scripts but with the cron job itself |
| 20:30.50 | Titan8990 | danielig, alright... install pastebinit |
| 20:30.59 | greycat | Cain: that's impossible to determine given the information given so far. |
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| 20:31.05 | Titan8990 | danielig, its small, even if the entire filesystem is in RAM it should still work |
| 20:31.15 | Cain | greycat : how to see what the cron does ? (if there is errors on execution ) |
| 20:31.23 | Cain | greycat : what information you need ? |
| 20:31.40 | greycat | Cain: if there are errors that produce output on stdout or stderr, the cron job's owner receives that output in email |
| 20:31.55 | greycat | Cain: so, make sure you installed an MTA.... |
| 20:32.02 | Trostx | greycat : so after apt-get install/remove kde, i should do aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data ? then kde would be completly removed, correct? |
| 20:32.04 | danielig | cool: http://pastebin.com/f3866fd49 |
| 20:32.17 | Cain | greycat : can i redirect this stdout/stderr to a file ? |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | Trostx: if you install it with aptitude instead of apt-get in the first place, then "aptitude remove kde" will remove all of it. aptitude is VERY different. |
| 20:32.59 | Trostx | 417 packages need to be isntalled! |
| 20:33.01 | greycat | Cain: X X X X X /path/to/myphp.script >/some/file 2>&1 |
| 20:33.01 | Trostx | :O |
| 20:33.13 | adb | !remove kde |
| 20:33.13 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). |
| 20:33.46 | danielig | so any hints on that dmesg output? |
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| 20:35.14 | Trostx | some softwares run only on kde or gnome, correct? |
| 20:35.38 | Trostx | and these debian backports is there any site that monitors their updates ? |
| 20:35.44 | mo2000 | greycat: to diagnose my Problem... what is the difference between -686 and -686-bigmem kernel? (only PAE support?) |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | Any program should "run on" your desktop regardless of whether you're using GNOME or KDE. |
| 20:36.09 | greycat | Some programs may use GNOME or KDE libraries, but they should work just fine even if you aren't running GNOME or KDE. |
| 20:36.24 | Trostx | hmm |
| 20:36.31 | shivraj | how do I compile the latest radeonhd driver using the soource from freedesktop.org ? |
| 20:36.35 | greycat | mo2000: you could compare the config files to find out for sure. |
| 20:36.44 | greycat | mo2000: e.g. /boot/config-* |
| 20:36.49 | danielig | Titan8990: well, this is not helpful because it shows the current running kernel? |
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| 20:37.09 | mo2000 | greycat: will take a look on it |
| 20:37.20 | arvind_khadri | shivraj, read the README that accompanies the tarbal,i.e the source |
| 20:37.24 | Titan8990 | danielig, yeah, you need to pull it from /var/log/dmesg on the fileystem we are trying to repair |
| 20:37.29 | danielig | ttp://pastebin.com/f358adb94 this is it... |
| 20:37.43 | danielig | oops http://pastebin.com/f358adb94 |
| 20:37.52 | danielig | of course... |
| 20:37.56 | shivraj | arvind_khadri: cant I use build-essential or something liek that ? |
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| 20:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | shivraj: build-essential may be overkill. |
| 20:38.51 | Titan8990 | danielig, etchnhalf kernel.... |
| 20:39.13 | danielig | Titan8990: looks all good to me too, this is the kernel I reverted to.. yes, the etchnhalf kernel that worked before.. |
| 20:39.13 | Titan8990 | danielig, use an official debian kernel |
| 20:39.16 | jhutchins_lt | shivraj: If you're not a regular code builder, it helps a LOT to have a step-by-step guide, and the first step is ALWAYS read the README and INSTALL files. |
| 20:39.41 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: etchnhalf was official |
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| 20:39.55 | Titan8990 | danielig, and there is no way to watch the system boot to see where it fails? |
| 20:39.55 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 20:39.56 | danielig | well, I tried but then this drama started... now can i just install a similar kernel |
| 20:40.10 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, from what repo? |
| 20:40.15 | rajeshsr | just found tat the the dvd is a testing version of lenny! |
| 20:40.19 | arvind_khadri | shivraj, build-essential is a package which helps you in compiling...maybe you are talking about checkinstall? |
| 20:40.24 | rajeshsr | is it safe to use tat in sources.list? |
| 20:40.38 | danielig | unfortunately this thing is not anywhere near me... unless you have a way to tell from far... |
| 20:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Dunno, I've upgraded since. |
| 20:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | How do you find the release name? |
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| 20:41.23 | Sergio` | I changed to X very recently. Is it possible to get urxvt in black background, 75 lines by 200 columns, using the same font as in TTY and in full-screen? |
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| 20:41.30 | grendal_prime | man ...this seems just ...well rediculas that this is so damn hard to do |
| 20:41.43 | Sergio` | Just like I was still in TTY. |
| 20:42.05 | danielig | okay Titan8990: I just found that the server is actually running but i just have some special services there that I need to start manually from ssh and ssh is apparently broken... |
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| 20:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | grendal_prime: It's called a steep learning curve. Difficult to get started, but very powerful once you know. |
| 20:42.21 | grendal_prime | im trying to set off "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list" after the update event. it is just erroring. i really dont want to have to put this into a cron job. |
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| 20:42.24 | danielig | so maybe with a chroot I can install openssh again? |
| 20:42.33 | grendal_prime | dick |
| 20:42.34 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 20:42.59 | mo2000 | greycat: *GRFX |
| 20:43.06 | Titan8990 | danielig, yes, i would chroot and see what you can fix from there |
| 20:43.23 | grendal_prime | sorry jhutchins_lt i thought you were the guy sitting across the table from me hahahaha sorry man |
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| 20:43.34 | mo2000 | greycat: it looks tat bigmem kernel has some XEN support inside... *GNARF* |
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| 20:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | grendal_prime: Nope, I'm sitting across from a cat. |
| 20:44.25 | Sergio` | Nobody knows? |
| 20:44.59 | rajeshsr | BTW, aptiitude update gives errors like this: Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org Lenny/main Packages |
| 20:44.59 | rajeshsr | Err http://security.debian.org Lenny/updates/contrib Packages |
| 20:44.59 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.15 | jhutchins_lt | grendal_prime: You know the drill, run it on the command line, isolate it in a script, chip away until it works or yeilds a sensible error. |
| 20:45.22 | greycat | "Lenny" is wrong. It should be "lenny". |
| 20:46.11 | rajeshsr | greycat, thanks |
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| 20:47.04 | jelly-home | Sergio`: you just need to find the right font.\ |
| 20:47.06 | adb | rajeshsr, lenny/updates main , not contrib |
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| 20:47.43 | Sergio` | jelly-home: but for example the background I set in .Xresources and I don't get black. |
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| 20:47.51 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.53 | rajeshsr | == |
| 20:48.08 | rajeshsr | tats the error i get, it asks to run apt-get update, with no use! |
| 20:48.21 | adb | !key |
| 20:48.21 | dpkg | key is probably Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 20:48.41 | jelly-home | Sergio`: worksforme... |
| 20:48.58 | greycat | Sergio`: make sure you ran xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources or whatever |
| 20:49.05 | greycat | (or logged out/in) |
| 20:49.07 | Sergio` | I did that. |
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| 20:49.12 | jelly-home | URxvt.background: black |
| 20:49.13 | jelly-home | URxvt.foreground: green |
| 20:49.24 | greycat | make sure the whitespace in those lines is a TAB and not spaces |
| 20:49.28 | Sergio` | urxvt*background: black |
| 20:49.36 | Sergio` | Ah, I'll try. |
| 20:49.56 | greycat | a lot of the traditional unix text files require tabs (Makefile is another one) |
| 20:50.10 | jelly-home | greycat: mine are definitely spaces. |
| 20:50.26 | greycat | oh, is that a Debian/Linux/GNU/Xorg thing? *shrug* |
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| 20:50.46 | rajeshsr | adb, thanks! done, so no errors after upgarde.. |
| 20:50.50 | rajeshsr | am i to update? |
| 20:51.10 | rajeshsr | i mean dist-upgrade |
| 20:51.38 | adb | for ? |
| 20:51.50 | jelly-home | Sergio`: anyway. rxvt and friends read ~/.Xdefaults directly, so if you symlink your .Xresources to that old name, new instances will use the settings without xrdb -merging them |
| 20:52.13 | Sergio` | greycat: it needed capital UR, it weren't the spaces. |
| 20:52.25 | jelly-home | Case Matters. |
| 20:52.56 | Sergio` | jelly-home: how about the 75 lines by 200 columns and full-screen? |
| 20:53.02 | jelly-home | Sergio`: what about it? |
| 20:53.10 | Sergio` | How can I do it? |
| 20:53.10 | danielig | when I am in a chroot environment can I just install stuff as usual? |
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| 20:53.24 | adb | yes |
| 20:53.24 | danielig | for example to a dist-upgrade to lenny? |
| 20:53.31 | danielig | adb? |
| 20:53.36 | adb | yes |
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| 20:54.05 | jelly-home | Sergio`: rtfm about -geometry |
| 20:54.12 | jhutchins_lt | danielig: Provided you've got a complete enough environment. |
| 20:54.17 | jelly-home | though, I'm not sure what's the correct fm to r |
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| 20:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | man rxvt? |
| 20:54.41 | danielig | jhutchins, 548MB? |
| 20:54.41 | mo2000 | greycat: what about compiling -686 kernel ony with enabled PAE support... meningless (more changes needed?) |
| 20:54.50 | danielig | for all downloads? |
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| 20:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | danielig: No idea. |
| 20:55.08 | PyroPhelia | abrotman, Hey a few minutes ago you told me about dyndns to keep track of remote dynamic clients. It works, but is there anything else that would let me do it more controlled? ie, is there anyway I could have my hosts ping my domain? I don't feel very secure using dyndns on those servers |
| 20:55.13 | Sergio` | I did, it doesn't say there what's AA and BB in -geometry AAxBB, I think. |
| 20:55.14 | greycat | mo2000: I don't know. I don't mess with that stuff. |
| 20:55.15 | jelly-home | Sergio`: urxvt -geometry 200x75+0+0 is a good start |
| 20:55.15 | danielig | it seems towork... |
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| 20:55.33 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: you could use your own dyndns ? |
| 20:55.36 | greycat | Sergio`: for a terminal, -geometry is characters not pixels |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | Sergio`: e.g. rxvt -geometry 80x50 -font 8x13 |
| 20:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | PyroPhelia: dyndns works great. I've used it to monitor remote systems in Mexico where you can't get static IP's. |
| 20:55.54 | Sergio` | Thanks. |
| 20:55.56 | boulbul | hello every one...please help |
| 20:56.13 | danielig | I see that ssh did not restart... |
| 20:56.20 | PyroPhelia | abortman, wait I can host my own dyndns? I thought I would get a client name that would be linked to their servers |
| 20:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | PyroPhelia: The only other thing you can do is to script something that notifies you of the new IP when it changes. |
| 20:56.24 | jelly-home | Sergio`: also have a suspiciously VGA-like font with decent coverage of utf-8 characters: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/console8x16.pcf |
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| 20:56.41 | PyroPhelia | oh wait I see what your saying |
| 20:56.42 | greycat | PyroPhelia: yes, you could run a dyndns server if you have the authority over a DNS domain |
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| 20:57.10 | boulbul | I have tried to install debian unstable , fresh install and I got the following message: The specified debian archive mirror does not seem to support your architecture . Please tr a different mirror |
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| 20:57.25 | greycat | "install unstable"? |
| 20:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | boulbul: install stable and upgrade |
| 20:57.34 | boulbul | I had a look on the net but nothing at all |
| 20:57.44 | danielig | boulbul rtfm about unstable... |
| 20:58.06 | boulbul | I have a ibm x60 |
| 20:58.11 | jpinx-eeepc | boulbul: if you can't install unstable - you shouldn't ;) |
| 20:58.11 | mo2000 | greycat: mhhh its so funny... i try to change main system to linux to get my 4GB usable and i had same fu...g problem than under windows... |
| 20:58.23 | boulbul | with 3gb of ram |
| 20:58.35 | jelly-home | Sergio`: put it in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, do a mkfontdir in that directory (all as root), then restart X or do "xset fp rehash". Then try urxvt -fn '-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1' |
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| 20:58.53 | danielig | mo2000 you are sure that your RAM is working? |
| 20:58.56 | greycat | mo2000: I have an OpenBSD system on a box with 8 GB of RAM. It only uses 3 GB. Know what I did about it? Nothing. It works fine for me. |
| 20:59.02 | Dawgmatix | any debian maintainers around ? I have a package dependency question ... |
| 20:59.22 | greycat | Maybe in a year or two or three it'll use the other 5 GB. I am not worried about it. |
| 20:59.28 | PyroPhelia | greycat, I hate to sound like an idiot, but what do you mean? |
| 20:59.30 | jpinx-eeepc | mo2000: sounds like a hardware issue |
| 20:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | Most smp enabled kernels can use 4g now. |
| 20:59.44 | jpinx-eeepc | mo2000: unplug the rama nd clean the contacts |
| 20:59.47 | jelly-home | Sergio`: if you're not going to use antialiased (truetype/opentype) fonts, you might want to install and use rxvt-unicode-lite package (built with less features) |
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| 21:00.22 | mo2000 | danielig: sure... w/o ATI Driver i can use all 4GB.... no problem at all... only this ATI driver makes trouble |
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| 21:00.58 | lunartear | I'm having issues installing texlive-latex-base on etch. anyone know of a fix? |
| 21:01.03 | Sergio` | Thanks. |
| 21:02.17 | mo2000 | jpinx-eeepc: I am sure that this is no HW issue. |
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| 21:03.22 | danielig | lunartear: upgrade? |
| 21:03.27 | jpinx-eeepc | mo2000: fairysnuff, but it's worth eliminating |
| 21:03.51 | jpinx-eeepc | lunartear: why are you still in etch? |
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| 21:04.07 | mo2000 | My very last try is now install amd64 system... hoping that newest ATI Driver and KVM likes this on lenny |
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| 21:06.10 | mo2000 | Any last ideas befor i do this? |
| 21:06.16 | danielig | I wonder... |
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| 21:06.50 | jelly-home | mo2000: which apps do you use that hugely benefit from having 4GB instead of 3.4GB available? |
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| 21:07.11 | danielig | mo2000 my last idea: DON'T |
| 21:08.25 | mo2000 | jelly-home: Virtualisation... this need memory memory memory... and having the displays of the VM on my screens side by side |
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| 21:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. We over-sized the ram on a parallels VM once and it started swapping to disk. VERY BAD. |
| 21:10.30 | flower | how important is tasksel of a desktop user? |
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| 21:12.09 | danielig | my server is still in nowhere land..... |
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| 21:12.21 | mo2000 | jhutchins_lt: exacly one of my problems, i dont like that swapping :D |
| 21:12.40 | zleap1 | mo2000, how much ram do you have |
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| 21:13.39 | eilgin | 3 |
| 21:13.41 | linux | Hello, I upgraded sid today. First I had problems in kde4 with some applications like thunderbird or openoffice not being able to write at all, and the permissions where ok. after rebooting, i cannot do any graphical login at all, not with kdm or gdm, not in kde or xfce. i can login in the console. Any help? |
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| 21:13.46 | mo2000 | zleap1: 4GB and i have two ATI 3870 -> usable w/o PAE 3 GB no more |
| 21:14.08 | zleap1 | ok |
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| 21:16.09 | jelly-home | mo2000: have you tried using an -amd64 kernel (just kernel, keep the 32bit userpsace)? |
| 21:16.39 | mo2000 | zleap1: and for maximum pain (sounds like a jetplain and is only supported by propertary or beta driver) i have a ATI 4850x2 near to my desk :D |
| 21:16.57 | zleap1 | ok |
| 21:17.18 | zleap1 | i takeit its swapping a lot then, |
| 21:17.21 | danielig | what ist ATI 4850 then mo2000 |
| 21:17.23 | grendal_prime | ya but...like the script i have works... |
| 21:17.25 | eilgin | [eilgin(+i)[eilgin(+i)] [1:FreeNode/#debian(+JLPcflnt)] |
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| 21:17.30 | zleap1 | i have 1gb and don't really use a swap file much unless watching dvd's |
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| 21:17.41 | mo2000 | jelly-home: tryed... but not able to compile the ATI kernel-module... some library issues |
| 21:17.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell linux about sid |
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| 21:18.23 | jelly-home | mo2000: it's much simpler to use hardware with free drivers for servers. |
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| 21:20.03 | mo2000 | jelly-home: that is the funny thing this is no "Server", that is a "Desktop" with 4 Screens attached... to use it as dump terminal it is totaly oversized |
| 21:20.46 | jelly-home | mo2000: sure sounds like a virt. host to me |
| 21:21.35 | jelly-home | mo2000: trying to build a multiseat environment? |
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| 21:21.50 | mo2000 | jelly-home: My virtual hosts (i have mor than one in the "basement") have all 8GB and no Display :D |
| 21:22.28 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 21:22.41 | mo2000 | jelly-home: My problem is making money with windows and using linux as master system is only possible with virtualisation |
| 21:23.44 | jelly-home | wouldn't know about that, I only use windows as desktop |
| 21:23.57 | mo2000 | jelly-home: and i have currently 4 computers bellow the desk... in winter this is fine cause you never have cold legs... |
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| 21:24.27 | mo2000 | jelly-home: in summer this means you feel like a chicken |
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| 21:29.19 | simonrvn | hmm, converting that heat energy to electricity. |
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| 21:31.26 | mo2000 | simonrvn: in wintertime i use this to heat my complet rooms... but in summer urgly |
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| 21:32.06 | mederEsite | Can anyone recommend an acrobat pro like pdf editor, that doesnt require 20 mb of Java dependencies |
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| 21:32.50 | wathek | hello all |
| 21:32.52 | simonrvn | lyx? export to pdf |
| 21:32.59 | mederEsite | ? |
| 21:33.04 | mederEsite | 'export to pdf' ? |
| 21:33.13 | mederEsite | I want one with a whole slew of pdf editing capabilities |
| 21:33.16 | mederEsite | not just one feature |
| 21:33.32 | danielig | mederEsite you mean no OOO? |
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| 21:33.44 | mederEsite | OOO = ? Open Office? |
| 21:33.47 | danielig | yea |
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| 21:33.58 | mederEsite | I have OO 3.1 but I can't seem to join multiple pdfs/docs |
| 21:34.04 | mederEsite | I asked in OO channel but no one replied |
| 21:34.15 | wathek | I need some help I'm trying to install postfix using apt-get but it says that it's not available and that postfix-doc replaces postfix ! |
| 21:34.18 | danielig | you can do that from the command line easily |
| 21:35.21 | dondelelcaro | mederEsite: inkscape? |
| 21:35.32 | dondelelcaro | mederEsite: if you want to join multiple pdfs, use pdftk |
| 21:35.38 | wathek | I got debian lenny |
| 21:35.50 | danielig | that was ist pdftk is the thing pdf tool kit... |
| 21:37.21 | valdyn | wathek: i doubt that |
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| 21:37.35 | valdyn | wathek: run "apt-cache policy postfix" and show us |
| 21:37.40 | wathek | valdyn, ok |
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| 21:38.49 | wathek | valdyn, I got this http://pastebin.com/m3608a57b |
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| 21:43.40 | wathek | valdyn, any idea ? |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn | wathek: "aptitude why postfix" |
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| 21:45.51 | wathek | valdyn, i cron Recommande exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent |
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| 21:46.32 | valdyn | wathek: now which error does "apt-get install postfix" give? |
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| 21:47.57 | wathek | valdyn, it says that there's no postfix version availbale but it exists in the Database which means generally that the packet is old or missing and it says that postfix-doc replaces postfix ! |
| 21:48.19 | valdyn | wathek: show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:49.01 | wathek | valdyn, here it is http://pastebin.com/m18a4c046 |
| 21:49.24 | valdyn | wathek: apt-get update && apt-get install postfix |
| 21:49.33 | wathek | valdyn, same error |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | why does he have etch and lenny sources ? |
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| 21:52.09 | linux | Hello, I upgraded sid today. First I had problems in kde4 with some applications like thunderbird or openoffice not being able to write at all, and the permissions where ok. after rebooting, i cannot do any graphical login at all, not with kdm or gdm, not in kde or xfce. I can login in the console. Any help for diagnosing? At leat, what package to submit the bug against? |
| 21:52.42 | linux | I have been using sid for two years, I upgraded from sid to sid |
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| 21:54.40 | abrotman | linux: if you want a stable machine, don't use sid |
| 21:54.41 | flami | linux: well the last time I couldnt log in with kdm at all was because X.org assumed that i had a en-us keyboard :P. |
| 21:55.11 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I've already pointed that out |
| 21:56.00 | mederEsite | dondelelcaro: pdftk is the one with like 20 mb java dependencies. any others? |
| 21:56.07 | linux | jpinx-eeepc: does it mean that if someone has any problem with sid he cannot even ask for help? |
| 21:56.08 | mederEsite | why the hell can't Open Office do it? |
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| 21:57.30 | flami | mederEsite: thats for the OOO developers to know, and you to find out. |
| 21:57.37 | mederEsite | heh |
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| 21:59.00 | flami | linux: you are rather vague. well does kdm actually show up? or does it not let you log in ? have you tried typing the password in the username field, maybe X.org really does use the wrong keymap. |
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| 21:59.43 | coniptor | Is it possible to disable the kernel progress messages from bootsplash [#####.#####] once the system has completed booting so they're not needless increasing log size and messing with log interpreting software like fwlogwatch? |
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| 22:01.32 | linux | flami: yes, kdm and gdm show up. I introduce my user name and password (all alphanumeric characters) and yes, kdm or gdm disspeared so I assume they ordered to start the desktop. But after 1 second of black screen kdm or gdm came back, so I assume that the initialization of the desktop failed |
| 22:02.02 | valdyn | sounds like you removed your desktop environment, or the upgrade broke it |
| 22:02.05 | JoshH | sounds like you shouldn't be running sid |
| 22:02.13 | valdyn | that too |
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| 22:03.18 | JoshH | that also happens if a kernel upgrade breaks your closed source graphics drivers |
| 22:03.29 | linux | thank you for your politeness :-P FYI, I never break a package de[ewhen using sid |
| 22:03.34 | linux | sorry... |
| 22:03.46 | linux | a package dependence when using sid and... |
| 22:03.52 | flami | looky here then : /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:04.29 | flami | well you dont break packages ... but the maintainers do ( dun dun duuuuuuunnnnn ) |
| 22:04.35 | linux | I check the sidux forums before upgrading (geven that the debian ones are dead). What else should I do to quelify to use sid :-P ? |
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| 22:05.08 | flami | beein at least a little bit masochistic helps |
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| 22:05.51 | JoshH | you shouldn't lose sid unless you are very familiar with debian, understand that it can occasionally break, and are capable of fixing it when it does. you shouldn't use sid just becaue you want debian with the latest and greatest versions of everything |
| 22:05.57 | JoshH | s/lose/use |
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| 22:06.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !compcache |
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| 22:07.07 | mederEsite | turns out ghostscript can do pdf joining |
| 22:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have a couple of x,y data spectra... I think I saw some good software that would be able to integrate peaks in that, but didn't have use for it at the time and now can't remember |
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| 22:07.13 | mederEsite | :) |
| 22:07.16 | mederEsite | pdftk -- |
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| 22:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux, but you're supposed to _like_ broken packages/a broken system if you use sid |
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| 22:08.58 | linux | flami: the Xorg.0.log enmd |
| 22:09.02 | linux | sorry |
| 22:09.13 | linux | flami: end like this: |
| 22:09.41 | mango | hello again....please help...I never needed help from you guys like this time |
| 22:10.03 | linux | (**) Option "xkb_options" "lv3:ralt_switch" |
| 22:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives mango a bandaid |
| 22:10.14 | linux | (II) CHICONY USB Keyboard: Close |
| 22:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be sufficient |
| 22:10.21 | simonrvn | dpkg: compcache is <reply> This project creates RAM based block device (named ramzswap) which acts as swap disk. Pages swapped to this disk are compressed and stored in memory itself. http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ |
| 22:10.22 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 22:10.31 | linux | (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" |
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| 22:11.18 | linux | and continues closing services (macintosh button emulation, mouse, sleep, power) and all the time unloading evdev |
| 22:11.44 | mango | I have been using debian fine until I moved to north africa...I am currently running debian on several laptops and ubuntu ...but I getting a very very slow connection on all systems running linux, but not windows....the window machine is running on the same network...I suspect that there is a problem with my isp..but I can not understand why does it only effect the linux machines |
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| 22:13.26 | flami | linux: well my guess i that somewhere inside Xorg.0.log itll "zomg we fudged something up". If not ... it aint a Xorg error. |
| 22:13.38 | simonrvn | linux: grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:14.20 | mango | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry man, what do you mean by that...I am a newbie? |
| 22:14.35 | linux | simonrvn: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
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| 22:15.08 | flami | if thats all ... then you dont have a massive error in Xorg. |
| 22:15.25 | mango | I don't know if this is of help to you....for some reason, it takes 10 time more on any linux machine to browse yahoo sites, or bbc then on windows... |
| 22:15.40 | mango | the only page that I don't have problem with is google |
| 22:15.42 | simonrvn | linux: stop pasting here. is that the only thing? |
| 22:15.45 | flami | normally it says somethign like : (EE) the world has come to an end . hell froze over . etc etc |
| 22:16.19 | linux | yes, sorry, a grep does not return all lines. I am coying them: |
| 22:16.31 | flami | nonooooo |
| 22:16.33 | simonrvn | !pastebin |
| 22:16.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 22:16.34 | flami | use pastebin |
| 22:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mango, does "host www.nowhere.com" take a long time? if yes: comapare what DNS server you have in both |
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| 22:18.27 | linux | what is pastebin?? |
| 22:18.29 | jpinx-eeepc | mango: that's 'cos google is cached? maybe by your ISP |
| 22:18.29 | LtL | mango: disable ipv6 if you are using iceweasel use about:config set disable ipv6 to true, might help |
| 22:18.53 | jpinx-eeepc | linux: you are running sid and you don't know pastebin? |
| 22:20.13 | sthon | jpinx-eeepc: he got sick of mandriva |
| 22:20.18 | flami | !tell linux about pastebin |
| 22:20.32 | simonrvn | this person is running sid?! why? |
| 22:20.32 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, using with eeepc? |
| 22:20.42 | likevinyl | ZAPAYOS! |
| 22:20.43 | likevinyl | _ |
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| 22:21.56 | eL | I am running Debian Lenny 5.0.3 but can't mount my NTFS :( |
| 22:21.58 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: we've been through the "why sid" |
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| 22:22.21 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: what command and what error? |
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| 22:24.18 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, directory mount not all changed owner by me (file owner still 'root'). |
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| 22:24.40 | mango | CuteMeOnwThroat: I have tried the www.bbc.co.uk...it worked ok on Windows but still trying to load on all linux machines...and the DNS is the same on both and is pointing to my router address and not the ISP's |
| 22:24.57 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: what are you using - the comandline or some gui? |
| 22:25.31 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /media/ntfsdisk |
| 22:25.53 | linux | is so much humilliation necessary? Are you unhappy people? :-P I can recommend you some self-help books :-P Here you are, sweethearts: http://pastebin.com/m4113402a |
| 22:25.58 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: as root - mount /dev/ntfs /where/you/want/it -t ntfs |
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| 22:26.41 | Xenguy | linux: we like to run roughshod over people until they get with the program ;-) |
| 22:26.47 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, I already do that. |
| 22:26.53 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: paste the output of that command |
| 22:27.20 | HackeMate | hello, i am using that panel of miniapplication network manager, and it says i have no connection |
| 22:27.29 | HackeMate | but really i have connection |
| 22:27.41 | flami | well Mr linux you successfully found out that Xorg fudged up ^^. now google for the error . |
| 22:27.47 | HackeMate | is annoying because firefox believes that i have no connection and it wont surf |
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| 22:28.02 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, chown eL:root /where/you/want/it (I type this and just directory change owner) |
| 22:28.15 | eL | *-R |
| 22:28.55 | eL | File like .mp3 .exe .jpeg still owner by root. |
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| 22:29.26 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: when you mount as root - it will be owned by root |
| 22:29.42 | flami | HackeMate: is that for the ethernet ? goto /etc/network/interfaces , comment everything thats not for the loopback device. ( e.g. everything related to eth0 has to be commented out ) |
| 22:29.53 | jpinx-eeepc | and when you mount ntfs - you can not chmod or chown that fs |
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| 22:30.10 | eL | jpinx-eeepc, so I mount not as root? |
| 22:30.20 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: man mount - you need to use -o uid=1000 or similar |
| 22:30.23 | flami | Network manager deosnt like interfaces that are already configured. |
| 22:30.59 | mo2000 | ok... what packages needed to have a full xorg (i/e all needed fonts) but a minimal (only admin) KDE |
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| 22:31.03 | jpinx-eeepc | eL: and be aware that -t ntfs will mount it readonly |
| 22:31.36 | flami | eL: if you want write access you need ntfs-3g |
| 22:31.44 | eL | Nah. |
| 22:31.52 | eL | ntfs-3g |
| 22:32.42 | eL | If I use ntfs-3g, it say Unknow filesystem. |
| 22:33.09 | jpinx-eeepc | install it first |
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| 22:39.22 | mango | jpinx-eeepc: I have disabled ipv6 on all of them and it is still the same |
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| 22:41.30 | mango | CuteMeOwnThroat:jpinx-eeepc:LtL: I am doing a fresh new install, and it is still slow...you would not believe how slow it is.......it must be something to do with debian and the ISP |
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| 22:45.06 | mango | no more suggestions? |
| 22:46.03 | mango | ok...is there any way I can point my dns server to an isp in the uk or else where rather then my ISP? |
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| 22:47.21 | bezaban | resolv.conf? |
| 22:47.44 | mango | bezaban: is this mean to be for me? |
| 22:47.47 | djveer | hey guys, anybody know any good resources or methods to learn *NIX shell scripting? |
| 22:47.48 | bezaban | yeah. sorry :) |
| 22:47.52 | bezaban | can specify nameserver there |
| 22:48.10 | bezaban | it gets overwritten on new lease iirc, but for testing you could just edit that |
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| 22:48.35 | bezaban | djveer: tldp.org/abs |
| 22:48.38 | trost | any application like sockscap for debian? |
| 22:48.59 | mango | ok...I am in Algeria right now...can I use a dns server of a Uk ISP provider...if so how? |
| 22:49.22 | bezaban | sorry djveer: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 22:49.40 | bezaban | mango, you can use opendns |
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| 22:50.06 | djveer | bezaban: Sweet thanks man. I know it would work for Debian and most Linux distros because they use the BASH shell.. but what does HPUX use for a shell? |
| 22:50.13 | djveer | bezaban: and would that apply |
| 22:50.20 | trost | no gui application to socksify ? |
| 22:50.32 | kingsley | mango: Maybe. I seem to recall that you can specify dns name servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:50.49 | mango | bezaban: thanks I will try that, hopefully it will get me out of misery |
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| 22:51.18 | bezaban | djveer: various, but I bsh and ksh I think |
| 22:51.49 | mango | kingsley: I will try that too and get back to you |
| 22:51.53 | epifanio_ | hi All |
| 22:52.45 | markybob | they should really make fans on video cards easier to replace |
| 22:53.12 | epifanio_ | i need to create a "man-page" for an appplication, a friend did a .deb package for it so it will soon added in the debian repository ... but he asked me an help (too busy) to create a man page |
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| 22:53.31 | bezaban | mango: unsure what you really want, but you can put the opendns servers into resolv.conf with nameserver 208.67.222.222 if it's just for troubleshooting |
| 22:53.33 | epifanio_ | i'm inexpert .. so actually i'm googling to find an how to |
| 22:53.40 | CodeNinja | its officially the weekend :D |
| 22:54.02 | adb | so ? |
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| 22:54.07 | bezaban | or the DNS server of your choice anywhere |
| 22:54.46 | markybob | epifanio_, start from an existing example. it's easy |
| 22:54.48 | kingsley | mango: Maybe running "dpkg-reconfigure" against the right networking package would prompt you for dns name servers. |
| 22:54.51 | djveer | blech. Job has come up that I have a great opportunity to apply for... too bad i'm not qualified enough to do it :( |
| 22:55.00 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
| 22:55.21 | epifanio_ | markybob: where can i find one ? |
| 22:55.35 | bezaban | mango: for further troubleshooting you can use dig @nameserver ip and check response times |
| 22:55.38 | markybob | epifanio_, http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/browser/branches/1.2_RC/docs/man/deluge-gtk.1 is probably the simplest example. just edit that to your needs |
| 22:55.52 | bezaban | mango: er. dig @nameserverip <host> |
| 22:56.09 | epifanio_ | thanks markybob ! |
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| 22:56.13 | bezaban | will give you a time in msec |
| 22:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mango, you can't (permanently) put an additional/replacement dns server in /etc/resolv.conf if you are using a dhcp client... you'll have to use a file read by your dhcp client and used as a heading part... you can edit /etc/resolv.conf to test if your problem goes away, though... try e.g. opendns ( /msg dpkg opendns ) |
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| 23:00.24 | Provito | using find 4.1.20 files were returned in a directory in cronological order, in 4.2.28 the files aren't, anyone else had this? |
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| 23:00.31 | trost | ok |
| 23:00.38 | trost | would this http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/how-to-force-flash-or-any-program-to-use-a-socks-proxy-using-transocks-and-iptables-in-linux/ |
| 23:00.40 | trost | work on debian ? |
| 23:04.12 | mjt | Provito: there was no release 4.2.28 of find. Last from 4.2 series was 4.2.27, released in Dec-2005. In the same month 4.3.0 has been released too. |
| 23:04.45 | mjt | Provito: 4.1.20 is from 2003 |
| 23:04.52 | Provito | mjt, ok same applies for the 4.2 series, in a log file directory a find . using 4.1 returned the files in date order, in 4.2 it doesn't |
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| 23:16.45 | mjt | Provito: as far as i can see at least gnu find never did any ordering of directory entries |
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| 23:17.08 | mjt | Provito: it shows the same ordering as `ls -U' |
| 23:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, what happened to gspectrum |
| 23:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what was it anyways |
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| 23:17.33 | mjt | Provito: namely, in whatever order the filesystem returns the entries. |
| 23:17.34 | Provito | mjt, different to what I have here |
| 23:17.48 | Provito | mjt, interesting |
| 23:17.52 | mjt | compare with `ls -U' |
| 23:18.30 | mjt | but in any way, order of entries returned by find is not specified, except of directories vs files-inside. |
| 23:18.51 | mjt | and it definitely never ordered "by age" |
| 23:18.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, guess it's this http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/1/gspectrum/ |
| 23:19.57 | Provito | mjt, ok you are right with the order, it does match. I think you have found the issue the more recent find is on an ext3 system when the other was on ext2. So the order of the filesystem on ext2 returns in date order |
| 23:20.21 | mjt | it's not 'date order' |
| 23:20.36 | Provito | it's data order then |
| 23:20.57 | mjt | if you've non-hashed directories and you don't delete things, new entries will probably be added to the end |
| 23:20.58 | Provito | the issue is that the directories are returned sequentially on ext2 but not on ext3 |
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| 23:21.07 | mjt | no |
| 23:21.10 | Provito | mjt, there's a log directories so that doesn't apply |
| 23:21.19 | mjt | log directories? |
| 23:21.19 | Provito | these |
| 23:21.26 | Provito | mjt, correct |
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| 23:21.32 | mjt | ah, like /var/log |
| 23:21.35 | Provito | created by cronolog in fact |
| 23:22.08 | cesurasean | anyone know how to fix a deb package installation thats not actually installing anything, but only creating directories, etc? installation seems to go fine, but I know it's not... |
| 23:22.19 | mjt | ext3 enables hashed dirs. ext2 can do that to but it's not enabled by default. if memory serves |
| 23:22.34 | mjt | but your only real option is to perform explicit sort |
| 23:22.43 | Provito | mjt, I can make an ordered find by using: find . -name 'access.log' | sort |
| 23:22.46 | mjt | you depend on non-existed condition |
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| 23:23.04 | Provito | however I wanted to know the cause for why this was necessary and thank you for explaining |
| 23:24.34 | mjt | btw, if your logs are at the same level, you can use shell metacharacters instead of find |
| 23:24.55 | mjt | like */*/*/access.log if the dirs are named as yyyy/mm/dd/ |
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| 23:26.08 | Provito | mjt, true |
| 23:26.08 | Provito | that avoids the sort which is nice |
| 23:26.08 | g00se | Getting very tired here and would like to put a script into /tmp that would allow a normal user to power down. I have sudo but can't seem to get my head around it - embarassing |
| 23:27.48 | bezaban | g00se: chgrp users /sbin/halt |
| 23:27.50 | bezaban | <.< |
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| 23:29.01 | g00se | bezaban: I'm looking for a once-only solution - hence the /tmp thing |
| 23:29.10 | bezaban | oh sorry. get it |
| 23:29.25 | bezaban | could sudo a script that removes itself or something like that |
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| 23:30.05 | simonrvn | dpkg: ff |
| 23:30.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ff is hexadecimal for 255 |
| 23:30.12 | simonrvn | meh |
| 23:33.05 | freebse | octal please ;) |
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| 23:33.20 | freebse | binary |
| 23:33.22 | freebse | lol |
| 23:33.42 | Arrowmaster | 7777 11111111 |
| 23:34.13 | freebse | right |
| 23:34.24 | freebse | lol |
| 23:34.33 | freebse | was easy |
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| 23:52.30 | trost | this "ssh -L 1080:remoteserver.com:1080 user.remoteserver.com" the correct way to create an ssh tunnel ? |
| 23:52.47 | trost | channel 2: open failed: connect failed: No route to host <--- the error im getting |
| 23:52.49 | trost | any suggestions? |
| 23:53.08 | abrotman | -R ? |
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| 23:53.59 | Jorophose | I'm working with lenny & trying to add a new printer through localhost:631 but it's asking me for a login & password. never configured or worked with CUPS before, what do I do? |
| 23:54.14 | justin | trost: what you put for 'remoteserver.com' os bad |
| 23:54.43 | justin | Jorophose: your account or root |
| 23:54.44 | trost | justin : what? |
| 23:54.54 | trost | oh |
| 23:55.01 | mango | sorry guys...I disconected my self |
| 23:55.01 | trost | thats just an example |
| 23:55.03 | justin | Jorophose: i thinl yours will work if yoy are in the right group |
| 23:55.09 | justin | trost: duh |
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| 23:55.26 | trost | justin : why is it bad? |
| 23:55.40 | bezaban | you have ports prepended and appended to the first host and you need to specify user@host not user.host |
| 23:55.51 | justin | trost: do you know what no route to host means? |
| 23:56.04 | Jorophose | ok, root password worked. thanks guys. |
| 23:56.20 | bezaban | but eh. is wierd syntax all in all. man |
| 23:56.30 | trost | justin: yes |
| 23:56.35 | Jorophose | how can I set it so that any user of the computer can print with it? |
| 23:56.54 | jpinx-eeepc | trost: your syntax is wierd |
| 23:57.01 | justin | Jorophose: shouldnt have to do anything |
| 23:57.32 | mango | beli:CutMeOwnThroat:pinx-eeepc:LtL: I have tried the opedns ....the good news that I got through to yahoo and bbc, tha bad news it that it is a lot slower |
| 23:57.41 | justin | trost: use -L 1080:localhost:1080 |
| 23:57.59 | mango | now...with dig...I got the following output...I also added the output of traceroute |
| 23:58.01 | mango | http://pastebin.com/m38d5da51 |
| 23:58.21 | bezaban | mango: checked for packet loss? |
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| 23:59.12 | Joelito | Hi all, anyone uses frostwire + openjdk? |
| 23:59.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 23:59.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 23:59.38 | bezaban | and mango, thats normal for traceroute |
| 23:59.40 | trost | damn web chat :S |
| 23:59.55 | trost | i tried -R , it didnt work |
