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| 00:00.12 | justin | trost: -R is more wrong |
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| 00:00.23 | justin | do what i just said |
| 00:00.33 | bezaban | mango: ping a host for a while and see if you're loosing packets |
| 00:00.36 | trost | justin : that was suggested by a user here |
| 00:00.50 | trost | justin : my connection droped, paste what you said |
| 00:01.14 | justin | trost: use -L 1080:localhost:1080 |
| 00:01.17 | Jorophose | justin: thanks for the help |
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| 00:01.24 | trost | thats it :S |
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| 00:02.15 | mango | anyone that could help, appreciate it very much |
| 00:02.22 | justin | generally you only put the hosyname if you want to connect to a different server, and in your case what you put was invalid somehow in the dirst place |
| 00:03.19 | mango | my problem is that I am getting a very slow connection...but I don't have a problem with windows machine operating on the same network |
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| 00:04.03 | mango | the connection is slow on all linux machines apart from windows |
| 00:04.05 | justin | mango: try turning off ecn? |
| 00:04.18 | justin | mango: and or tcp window scaling |
| 00:04.26 | justin | in that order |
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| 00:04.44 | trost_ | back |
| 00:04.48 | trost_ | didnt work |
| 00:04.58 | justin | !didn't work |
| 00:04.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:05.10 | trost_ | not its telling me that the connection is being refused |
| 00:05.16 | mukiex | So I installed a minimal debian setup, but I have no idea which package adds support for UTF-8. I have a folder with some Japanese characters, and they still show up as question marks (or in mpc, as uXXX where XXX are hex numbers) |
| 00:05.28 | justin | trost: then nothing is running on that seever on that port |
| 00:05.34 | trost_ | justin : i'm not that of a fast typer |
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| 00:05.59 | dutchfish | mango, what is slow (didnt follow your q that closely)? |
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| 00:06.13 | trost_ | justin : why should something be running ? |
| 00:06.48 | justin | trost_: uhhhhh |
| 00:06.55 | trost_ | i need the tunnel to proxy firefox requests |
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| 00:07.03 | trost_ | im not trying to create a reverse tunnel |
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| 00:07.09 | justin | trost_: to what? |
| 00:07.21 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:08.09 | trost_ | justin : huh? i need to create a socks proxy to use with firefox |
| 00:08.17 | trost_ | using ssh |
| 00:08.32 | justin | trost_: then wtf didnt yoy say that |
| 00:08.40 | trost_ | that would be called an ssh tunnel,right? |
| 00:08.45 | trost_ | :S |
| 00:08.46 | justin | NO! |
| 00:08.50 | trost_ | damn it\ |
| 00:08.52 | justin | man ssh |
| 00:08.57 | trost_ | i did |
| 00:08.58 | justin | look at the D option |
| 00:09.03 | trost_ | the damn thing is long as hell |
| 00:09.14 | justin | giogle: ssh firefox proxy |
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| 00:09.26 | justin | stupid phone kb lol |
| 00:10.24 | trost_ | justin: so when i create this socks proxy, i wouldnt be using a tunnel? |
| 00:10.27 | justin | trost_: there is probaly only 1 rederence to socks in the ssh manpage, and it is under the -D option, not the -L option |
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| 00:10.54 | justin | trost_: you need to read the .man page and run the google search i said to |
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| 00:11.44 | trost_ | i did all that |
| 00:11.49 | justin | sigh |
| 00:11.49 | trost_ | the -D doesnt work |
| 00:11.57 | justin | of for fucks sake |
| 00:12.43 | justin | !doesn't work |
| 00:12.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:13.37 | trost_ | !doesn't work |
| 00:13.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:13.48 | trost_ | brb |
| 00:13.50 | trost_ | hope this works |
| 00:13.53 | clusty | anybody knows a better way to download all files from an http, than to use wget? |
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| 00:14.12 | justin | clusty: whats wrong with wget? |
| 00:14.19 | clusty | i am hacing trouble that wget crawls up also since there are links to top dirs |
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| 00:14.37 | dustybin | justin: language |
| 00:14.46 | mukiex | !japanese text |
| 00:14.59 | justin | dustybin: irc is not rated G. grow up |
| 00:15.00 | dustybin | justin: this is a family channel |
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| 00:15.05 | clusty | justin, getting all dirs listings in multiple orderings since there are links |
| 00:15.16 | mukiex | !japanese text shows up as question marks |
| 00:15.18 | trost | done. |
| 00:15.22 | justin | clusty: if it is all dir listings lftp might work |
| 00:15.22 | trost | works at last |
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| 00:15.34 | justin | mukiex: you need fonts |
| 00:15.48 | trost | justin :http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/how-to-force-flash-or-any-program-to-use-a-socks-proxy-using-transocks-and-iptables-in-linux/ |
| 00:15.54 | trost | would this work on any linux distro |
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| 00:16.07 | trost | running debian lenny atm |
| 00:16.12 | mukiex | I installed ttf-kochi-mincho already. =( |
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| 00:16.19 | justin | flash doesnt use the FF proxy? |
| 00:16.23 | justin | brb |
| 00:16.50 | clusty | justin, so how do i use lftp to download a site? (feels like lftps is good for fetching from a script) |
| 00:17.10 | rudi_s | clusty: Try the --no-parent option. |
| 00:17.19 | rudi_s | (For wget that is.) |
| 00:18.41 | trost | justin : whoer.net/ext |
| 00:18.44 | trost | no it doesnt |
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| 00:20.36 | mukiex | On shap, I'm almost there! Now japanese text shows up in autocomplete, but ls and ncmpc still show me the wrong thing. |
| 00:20.50 | mukiex | (autocomplete = I'm doing a cp operation and it automatically fills it in) |
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| 00:25.38 | tony | How do I mount a network drive with an ip address that has a fat32 file system? |
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| 00:27.48 | RabidWeezle | basic question here: Do I need to download all those dvd's to install? |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | no |
| 00:28.01 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 00:28.02 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 00:28.12 | lejocelyn | quit |
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| 00:29.12 | justin | mukiex: wht do you mean by 'in autocomplete'? |
| 00:29.35 | RabidWeezle | nods thinking |
| 00:29.45 | justin | tony: the remote FS is irrelevant on a network fileystem |
| 00:29.49 | clusty_ | my wget command is: wget -r -N -c --no-parent http://video.blendertestbuilds.de/download.blender.org/ED/DVD1 |
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| 00:30.01 | clusty_ | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:31.35 | justin | clusty: lftp http://video.blendertestbuilds.de/download.blender.org/ED/DVD1 |
| 00:31.37 | justin | clusty: mirror hd |
| 00:31.42 | justin | well |
| 00:31.44 | justin | clusty: lftp http://video.blendertestbuilds.de/download.blender.org/ED/ |
| 00:31.48 | justin | mirror DVD1 |
| 00:31.58 | clusty_ | ohh thanks |
| 00:31.58 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.02 | justin | that should work better |
| 00:32.38 | clusty_ | adb: folder recursively |
| 00:32.43 | dondelelcaro | wget -nP -nd -r -l 0 blahblahblah; |
| 00:33.14 | dondelelcaro | (alternatively, use the --cut-dirs) |
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| 00:34.00 | clusty | dondelelcaro, -nd might be a bad idea |
| 00:34.07 | clusty | dir contains subdirs |
| 00:34.10 | dondelelcaro | depends on what you're doing |
| 00:34.21 | dondelelcaro | but yes, that's why I suggested --cut-dirs |
| 00:34.34 | dondelelcaro | (oh, and you'll probably also want -nH) |
| 00:35.10 | wiretapped | i'd just like to say that debian is awesome |
| 00:35.19 | wiretapped | anybody who works on debian-installer: thank you very much. |
| 00:35.35 | wiretapped | just got a hands-off preseeded install working again |
| 00:35.40 | wiretapped | last time I did it was a few years ago |
| 00:36.15 | wiretapped | I ⥠debian |
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| 00:37.27 | wiretapped | now i just need to automate the dhcp server stuff, and add some ipmi magic |
| 00:37.43 | wiretapped | so i can reinstall my remote machines with a single command |
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| 00:39.04 | spldart | how can I list my installed packages in debian? perhaps in a way I can | grep through? |
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| 00:39.55 | adb | !installed packages |
| 00:39.55 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 00:40.14 | spldart | ah.. kewlio thanks |
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| 00:41.44 | fchurca | Hey i'm having some networking problem. Who should I call for help or is free to give me a hand? |
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| 00:43.00 | abrotman | fchurca: can we get more details ? |
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| 00:43.58 | fchurca | abrotman: Sorry, wasn't a networking problem after all. But I've got a problem with DBus, probably a permissions problem\ |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | okay then .. |
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| 00:44.31 | fchurca | abrotman: when i try to run the network configurator or time/date editor, i get an error. wait, i'll find the exact text... |
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| 00:45.17 | fchurca | The configuration could not be loaded // An unknown error occurred. |
| 00:45.29 | WormFood | is there a preferred way to set iptables rules in debian, to take effect at boot time? |
| 00:46.57 | dkr | in an init script :) |
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| 00:47.23 | WormFood | iptables-persistent package looks like maybe what I want? |
| 00:48.12 | WormFood | which does not seem to be in stable... |
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| 00:48.27 | dkr | I was just about to say that, heh |
| 00:48.35 | adb | !iptables |
| 00:48.35 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 00:48.38 | Xenguy | WormFood: If you need a script, shorewall firewall is worth a look |
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| 00:48.44 | dkr | did you already write youre firewall rules? maybe using something like shorewall would be convenient for managing them |
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| 00:49.55 | dkr | else if you already wrote it, just put it in /etc/init.d and update-rc.d to add it at a good spot ( I use S12 ) |
| 00:50.07 | spldart | :) |
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| 00:50.37 | justin | firewall rules are often better in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 00:50.57 | rajeshsr | hi i had added a lenny dvd int my sources.list and am updating.. |
| 00:51.06 | rajeshsr | it is shoowing md5 checksum eror now.. |
| 00:51.28 | rajeshsr | Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 DVD Binary-1 20080818-10:24]/pool/main/m/mailagent/mailagent_3.1-24-1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 00:52.14 | rajeshsr | can any1 tell me abt it? |
| 00:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: A good guide to securing a system including iptables scripts: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 00:52.48 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: Did you md5sum the iso file? |
| 00:54.06 | rajeshsr | nope, i dint do anything. My frineds had installled with this dvd, it shud be ok.. |
| 00:54.27 | rajeshsr | jhutchins_lt, can i remove tat dvd from sources.list? |
| 00:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: Sure. |
| 00:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: You can also do an md5sum on the dvd, should match the one for the iso. |
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| 00:56.36 | Saar | anyone have an idea how to fix this: Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80 (2001:4f8:8:36::6). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 80] |
| 00:57.00 | Saar | networking is up and i can ping security.debian.org |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | your proxy is broken ? |
| 00:57.36 | rajeshsr | jhutchins_lt, , will the upgrade start from again, if i dist-upgrade? |
| 00:58.08 | Saar | the proxy was configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf and was moved to /etc/apt/apt.conf_ |
| 00:58.16 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: As long as you have sources for the new release. |
| 00:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | Saar: Looks like you're trying to use ipv6. |
| 00:58.47 | Saar | yeah |
| 00:58.56 | Saar | i wondered how to stop it |
| 00:59.09 | Saar | couldn't find any configuration setting for that in /etc |
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| 01:00.38 | rajeshsr | jhutchins_lt, yeah seems to be continuing from where it is left! |
| 01:01.00 | Saar | ack when i stop ipmasq it works |
| 01:01.02 | Saar | grr |
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| 01:01.42 | WormFood | Xenguy, no, I don't need a script, I just need to apply one iptables rule at boot time. |
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| 01:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: iirc there are resume functions available in aptitude. |
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| 01:02.37 | WormFood | jhutchins, I'm not trying to "secure" it per se, I'm just trying to find out if there is a generic way to make iptables rules take effect at boot time with debian |
| 01:02.47 | Xenguy | WormFood: have fun |
| 01:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I |
| 01:03.19 | WormFood | and I found it with the iptables-persistent package (it is in sid, not sure about other branches) |
| 01:03.31 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I'm pretty sure mine are launched from rc.firewall, launched from rc.local. |
| 01:04.00 | WormFood | yeah, it is easy to make it take effect at boot time, but specifically, I was looking for "the debian way(tm)" to do it ;) |
| 01:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Shorewall will install init scripts - basically it's a set of scripts and config files to build firewall scripts. |
| 01:05.21 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: There are several packages that will manage firewall rules, but I don't think there's a "standard" one, since many individual machines don't need/shouldn't have their own firewalls. |
| 01:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I prefer a firewall on the router only. |
| 01:06.00 | rajeshsr | jhutchins_lt, u mean again an apt-get distupgrade is useless? |
| 01:06.06 | Saar | WormFood: ipmasq ? |
| 01:06.24 | Saar | ipmasq works well for me to add firewall rules |
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| 01:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | rajeshsr: No, not useless. aptitude is a little more powerful, but apt-get still does fine. |
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| 01:08.14 | likevinyl | is away: un toque por si las moscas van y otro toque por si vas detras... |
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| 01:09.24 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, this is on my router. Saar just adding a SNAT rule to forward my clients |
| 01:10.00 | Saar | WormFood: well ipmasq would work for that |
| 01:10.02 | WormFood | likevinyl, turn off your automatic away announcements here....nobody gives a fuck if you're away |
| 01:10.12 | Saar | it comes with handy start/stop init.d script |
| 01:10.39 | Saar | WormFood: wrong, I was dyiong to find out ;-) |
| 01:10.42 | abrotman | !tell likevinyl about away |
| 01:10.42 | Saar | dying too |
| 01:10.49 | WormFood | yeah, so does iptables-persistent |
| 01:11.05 | Saar | WormFood: well then you have 2 options at least :) |
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| 01:11.18 | xhairball | WormFood: use /etc/network/interfaces to start/stop your firewall. Don't use init.d for that. |
| 01:11.24 | brah | where 2 cop debian sid? |
| 01:11.27 | brah | I want to test it in a VM |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | where to what? |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | !tell brah about netinst |
| 01:11.58 | xhairball | WormFood: I asked the same question a while ago. :) That's the reply I got. I think it makes sense. Use a pre/post-up command. |
| 01:12.17 | WormFood | I'm not looking for a crazy set of firewall rules....I've seen some of those firewall scripts that are just crazy, and really suck up the cpu on my little router (now it is a different machine with a lot more power, but still, no point in wasting cpu power, when I expect to be handling a LOT of connections) |
| 01:12.33 | brah | I always use netinst |
| 01:13.01 | brah | Ah here it is. |
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| 01:18.26 | trost | on http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/how-to-force-flash-or-any-program-to-use-a-socks-proxy-using-transocks-and-iptables-in-linux/ |
| 01:18.43 | trost | he's installing dante on the remote server or on the pc that firefox is running on ? |
| 01:19.05 | WormFood | xhairball, since this is a server, with no local access to me, it is moot to add that to the network interfaces start/stop scripts...in init.d, I will just add it so it comes up after the network |
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| 01:22.52 | brah | I have a problem with vnc4server. |
| 01:23.10 | brah | If I add it to startup with `update-rc.d script.sh defaults` |
| 01:23.16 | brah | Gnome won't start unless gdm has already started |
| 01:23.24 | brah | So everytime I log on the VNC I have to run `gnome-session` |
| 01:23.29 | brah | Even if It's already specified on xstartup. |
| 01:23.46 | brah | Gnome however starts fine if I run vncserver after gdm has started. |
| 01:23.56 | fbh | Anyone outside the U.S. got Hulu working through a proxy through your US based server? |
| 01:26.04 | Saar | WormFood: ipmasq does not waste CPU power |
| 01:26.23 | Saar | it's basically a handy set of scripts and rule files which runs iptables/chains |
| 01:26.45 | WormFood | I wasn't talking about that....go back and read what I said. |
| 01:26.56 | Saar | fbh: you should use the tor network |
| 01:27.24 | Saar | i successfully was able to streat media which was blocked by geo ip |
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| 01:27.29 | Saar | stream |
| 01:28.00 | Saar | just make sure to force tor the end IP is one of a collection that is located in the country you want to stream from |
| 01:28.00 | fbh | Saar: yeah but usually tor is really slow, and I have a 100 mbps server in the US.. actually 2, that should do |
| 01:28.10 | WormFood | fbh, TOR is slow, I suggest a VPN...there are different companies offering VPN service for next to nothing |
| 01:28.11 | Saar | i know |
| 01:28.20 | Saar | so what i did was download it and watch later |
| 01:28.28 | WormFood | fbh, you have a us based server? no brainer! install openvpn! |
| 01:28.38 | Saar | yeah if you actually have a server at hand, i did not... |
| 01:29.19 | fbh | WormFood: Well yes, but I have tried SOCKS proxying all my connections through SSH, and the Hulu geocheck seems to give a "valid" response.. But it still wont play. I got pandora, cbs and other services toplay - just not hulu |
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| 01:31.13 | WormFood | fbh, I'm suggesting a VPN, not a proxy |
| 01:31.52 | fbh | WormFood: sure I will try setting up openvpn |
| 01:33.56 | WormFood | fbh, I think they are just fucked! I also get a message saying I can't view it within the usa, but I'm in China, and my VPN is in Canada |
| 01:34.10 | fbh | Canada doesnt work on Hulu |
| 01:34.19 | WormFood | oh...I misread it....it can only be streamed from within the usa |
| 01:34.24 | fbh | yes |
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| 01:35.33 | WormFood | fbh, so when you run their javascript or flash app or whatever...is that configured to use your proxy? probably not....you should use a vpn, as it will "proxy" everything |
| 01:35.59 | WormFood | fbh, most likely, they are using a different technique to bypass your proxy, to see where you really are.....so I suggest vpn. |
| 01:36.00 | fbh | The entire browser is forced through socks proxy |
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| 01:36.24 | WormFood | so what? is flash configured to use your socks proxy? |
| 01:36.46 | bluejay_ | Can someone recommend me a lightweight text editor that has printing function? |
| 01:36.50 | WormFood | the point is, to use a proxy, your software has to be aware of the proxy and configured to use the proxy |
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| 01:37.25 | WormFood | most likely they are loading dynamic code, via flash, and using that to bypass your proxy to see where you really are....I don't know this for sure, but that is my guess as to what they are doing |
| 01:37.54 | WormFood | that is why a vpn will always beat a proxy....a little harder to setup, but EVERYTHING uses it, no matter what (if properly configured, default route and stuff like that) |
| 01:37.57 | fbh | WormFood: yeah that was my guess too, but as far as I have read around they only use http for geochecking using the http://releasegeo.hulu.com/geoCheck URL |
| 01:38.39 | WormFood | well, in any case, working or not, I will still suggest a vpn over a proxy any day |
| 01:38.54 | fbh | yeah, I will have e look into openVPN |
| 01:39.32 | WormFood | I suggest you configure it for a static key, just to get it up and running real quick...tutorials on the openvpn web site...VERY easy if you're not a total linux noob (and then, still pretty easy) |
| 01:40.18 | fbh | Hehe I don't consider myself a noob. I make a living administrating linux :P I'm just lazy thats all |
| 01:40.32 | WormFood | you will have to have some iptables rule, and forwarding enabled to route your traffic through the vpn....if you need some help, let me know, as I've been doing this a lot lately |
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| 01:40.53 | WormFood | ok, then it should be a piece of cake for you (I'm also a Linux admin, for almost 15 years) |
| 01:41.16 | xhairball | AruNatsu: Does the printing have to be integrated into the editor? You could use something like enscript to postscriptify a file and send it to the printer. |
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| 01:41.57 | fbh | WormFood: 6 years of usage, lived from it for 3 years |
| 01:43.33 | WormFood | I just remembered...I have a vpn server in usa (on my dsl line)...will try hulu with that, and verify it works. |
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| 01:43.44 | WormFood | but not now...as I'm busy with other things. |
| 01:43.54 | WormFood | ä½ å¥½ ManateeLazyCat |
| 01:44.20 | fbh | WormFood: sounds great, could you PM me the reply eventually? It's 3.44 in the morning here, I'll be heading towards my bed soon |
| 01:44.44 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: ä½ å¥½ |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | english here |
| 01:44.57 | WormFood | 3:45 am? where are you? |
| 01:45.05 | WormFood | it is 9:45 am here :P |
| 01:45.05 | fbh | WormFood: Denmark |
| 01:45.15 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: 09:45 am |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:45.18 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:45.34 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: I need switch to #haskell now. |
| 01:45.59 | WormFood | ok, have fun ManateeLazyCat, åè§ |
| 01:46.07 | ManateeLazyCat | WormFood: See you. |
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| 01:47.41 | abrotman | WormFood: Please speak english here. |
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| 01:57.24 | mukiex | justin : got it workin' =3 |
| 01:57.33 | mukiex | Oh woah, that was a while ago |
| 01:58.08 | mukiex | Had to set my local, then I had to locate my ncurses app to use ncurses wide |
| 01:58.15 | mukiex | *had to configure my |
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| 02:13.20 | Akuw | how can i install flash plugin in Lenny ? |
| 02:13.26 | Akuw | using apt-get |
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| 02:15.23 | abrotman | !tell Akuw about adobe flash |
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| 02:16.37 | jnsears | hi does anyone know a good way to make mdadm either take an array down or remount it ro if a drive fails? i'd like to make sure no writes happen in degraded state to help improve my recovery odds if things go wrong. |
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| 02:19.37 | karsten | jnsears: Good question. Are you running any monitoring services (eg: nagios)? |
| 02:20.15 | karsten | jnsears: Thinking of a tie-in with that, possibly, to monitor an mount -o remount,ro as needed. One of the log watchers (eg: swatch) might be another option. |
| 02:21.08 | karsten | jnsears: Otherwise, that's a good mailing list question, might not be enough eyeballs around on a Friday night to give you a good resposne. |
| 02:21.13 | jnsears | right, i do have nagios running on a different machine. i was hoping for something built into the raid though, so there wouldn't be the potential of a few minutes time passing between the failure and the monitoring system noticing it |
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| 02:21.44 | karsten | jnsears: Not AFAIK, but it's not something I'm intimately familiar with. |
| 02:22.10 | karsten | jnsears: Nothing obvious from a Google search either. That would be pretty slick though. |
| 02:22.39 | karsten | jnsears: The other approach would be to handle data redundancy through a distributed caching service/system. Eg: hadoop. |
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| 02:22.45 | jnsears | yeah i've been looking for an hour or so. seems like it would be a pretty common desire, but this is my first raid setup so i don't really know what i'm talking about :) |
| 02:25.21 | jnsears | thanks though, i'll try the mailing list and see what turns up |
| 02:25.57 | dondelelcaro | jnsears: its not really all that common, normally you'll just have a hot spair or similar. |
| 02:26.28 | dondelelcaro | at least has never had a machine configured that way. |
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| 02:27.46 | jnsears | right, i've been reading about read errors during rebuild after a failure though and getting paranoid |
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| 02:28.57 | jnsears | and in at least one of the threads i read that if there are no writes while the array is degraded it's more likely that it can be recovered even if there is another error |
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| 02:34.43 | rajeshsr | while dist upgrading i see these sort of errors: dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/usr/share/icons/gnome/192x192/mimetypes': Directory not empty |
| 02:34.45 | rajeshsr | is tat ok? |
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| 02:35.14 | abrotman | technically yes |
| 02:36.00 | rajeshsr | abrotman, why such an error occurs? isn't it the responsibility of the installation to make the director empty and delete or at least force delete? |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | just means there's something in that directory |
| 02:36.36 | markybob | rajeshsr, better safe than sorry. i dont want an installer deleting shit that i've done |
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| 02:37.00 | rajeshsr | markybob, ok :) |
| 02:37.19 | rajeshsr | and perl is keeping on giving this: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 02:37.20 | rajeshsr | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 02:37.20 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.20 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.20 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.25 | simonrvn | don't paste here. thank you. |
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| 02:38.30 | rajeshsr | perl keeps thrwing thse errors: http://pastebin.com/md076fcc |
| 02:38.41 | markybob | rajeshsr, do you have locales installed? |
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| 02:38.51 | rajeshsr | markybob, yeah i guess |
| 02:38.53 | RomainT | hi |
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| 02:39.07 | rajeshsr | markybob, it was even removing and putting a new version.. |
| 02:39.11 | markybob | rajeshsr, not a good answer. guessing means shit. aptitude install locales |
| 02:39.26 | rajeshsr | am i stop upgrade an do it? |
| 02:39.34 | rajeshsr | i mean installation in progress.. |
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| 02:39.37 | rajeshsr | so wat to do? |
| 02:39.53 | markybob | rajeshsr, doesnt really matter. you can wait. it's not a fatal error |
| 02:40.05 | djahandarie | For some reason my tab-completiton is all mucked up. It can tab-complete folders, but it can't tab-complete in the middle of a filename. |
| 02:40.37 | djahandarie | Not sure exactly when this happpened, it was awhile ago. |
| 02:40.46 | djahandarie | Could anyone assist? |
| 02:40.54 | simonrvn | rajeshsr: keep going, do dpkg-reconfigure locales and set that up once that's done |
| 02:40.58 | rajeshsr | and now it is asking: http://pastebin.com/md076fcc |
| 02:41.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: agree hot spare would be preferable config. |
| 02:41.07 | rajeshsr | sorry.. |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | rajeshsr: they're not fatal |
| 02:41.17 | simonrvn | rajeshsr: it's not urgent |
| 02:41.24 | rajeshsr | Configuration file `/etc/login.defs' |
| 02:41.24 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.32 | simonrvn | they're *warnings* not errors |
| 02:41.33 | rajeshsr | i dint do anything to it.. |
| 02:41.39 | rajeshsr | am i to get the new version? |
| 02:41.43 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Though in a lot of datacenters, you make the data redudant on multiple systems. That buys redundancy and faster access, rather than sunk overhead. |
| 02:41.46 | rajeshsr | simonrvn, ok |
| 02:42.06 | rajeshsr | it is asking if Y to get the mainterner's version, N to keep the old version.. |
| 02:42.10 | rajeshsr | Can i give Y? |
| 02:42.25 | markybob | rajeshsr, dude, just keep going until you cant. yes, if you dont know what you're doing, select the maintainer's version |
| 02:42.38 | karsten | rajeshsr: You can diff it. If you haven't changed anything, you can accept the new verion. 'N' won't change anything (and is the default). |
| 02:42.38 | karsten | rajeshsr: Diff it if you need to ask. |
| 02:43.22 | markybob | rajeshsr, why are you upgrading to whatever it is that you're upgrading to? |
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| 02:44.02 | rajeshsr | markybob, am upgrading to lenny from etch! tat late, anyway ok! :) |
| 02:44.28 | markybob | ...yeah. right |
| 02:44.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !etch=>lenny |
| 02:44.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !etch->lenny |
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| 02:45.52 | abrotman | or tell him .. |
| 02:46.09 | jpinx-eeepc | dunno why the bot does that sometimes |
| 02:46.18 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 02:46.18 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 02:46.28 | simonrvn | it's a bug with the -> |
| 02:46.37 | jpinx-eeepc | mm |
| 02:46.53 | markybob | it's a bit late for the proper methods :) |
| 02:47.44 | rajeshsr | ha, anyway i think i did properly! :) |
| 02:48.00 | markybob | though the only time i've seen this locales problem was when upgrading from an etch netinst box that had nothing installed |
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| 02:53.10 | kaeles | ok, first time setting up raid 5 under debian/linux and after i did the mdadm --create /dev/md0 etc, the mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows 2 active synced device /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1, a faulty removed device with no device name and then the third disk /dev/sdd1 as a spare, these are new drives, is raid 5 supposed to look like this or is sometihng screwy? |
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| 02:57.40 | justin | kaeles: what command did you run to create the array |
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| 03:01.20 | Judge-- | is there anywhere Debian logs pings? |
| 03:01.25 | Judge-- | icmp pings |
| 03:01.35 | dkr | Judge--: you could make an iptables rule to do so |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | Judge--: you mean when someone pings your computer ? |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | judd: versions ippl |
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| 03:01.46 | Judge-- | yes, DDoS |
| 03:01.49 | judd | abrotman: ippl -- etch: 1.4.14-8 lenny: 1.4.14-11 sid: 1.4.14-11 squeeze: 1.4.14-11 |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | ippl can log pings IIRC |
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| 03:02.10 | abrotman | or ICMP ... whatever |
| 03:02.37 | markybob | Judge--, install shellter |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | no way .. ippl! |
| 03:02.56 | Judge-- | could you like to recommand your favourite tutorial about these tools? |
| 03:03.02 | Judge-- | I want to use fail2ban |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | ippl is pretty straight forward |
| 03:03.10 | Judge-- | but I need something to log the pings |
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| 03:03.15 | dkr | hah, aptitude show ippl is the most depressing package description I've ever seen |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | dkr: it's a pretty old package IIRC |
| 03:03.32 | dkr | Judge--: you want to block people that ping you? |
| 03:03.40 | Judge-- | yes, that's the idea |
| 03:03.50 | dkr | that does not seem wise |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | dkr: it's his machine .. |
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| 03:04.17 | Judge-- | someone told that this fail2ban can read logs and based on entries/seconds add rules to the firewall |
| 03:04.30 | Judge-- | Well, I have my ISP protection.. FloodGuard |
| 03:04.32 | dkr | what if someone forges a ping to your machine from your own gateway, it will effectively cut you off completely |
| 03:04.40 | Judge-- | but some packages are still hitting my server |
| 03:04.42 | justin | Judge--: whatever you think your problem is, blocking hosts that ping you will not solve anything. |
| 03:04.45 | markybob | Judge--, fail2ban is pretty good |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | dkr: so block it for five minutes |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | Judge--: if you're really getting DDoSed, tell your ISP |
| 03:05.11 | Judge-- | Yes, that would take hours |
| 03:05.16 | dkr | or use a better metric to determine if you are getting DDoS'd |
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| 03:05.26 | radioguy33 | i have an ipsec question |
| 03:05.26 | Judge-- | dkr like what, please? |
| 03:05.27 | abrotman | Judge--: blocking the pings won't really do anything .. |
| 03:05.45 | Judge-- | ddos can happen not by only pings? |
| 03:05.47 | Judge-- | :/ |
| 03:06.00 | dkr | Judge--: iptables rules cna be triggered based on a specific rate per tim period |
| 03:06.04 | markybob | Judge--, probably your best bet for ddos is to install deflate. http://deflate.medialayer.com/ |
| 03:06.13 | radioguy33 | im using the following ipsec code to simply encrypt traffic from .249 to and from the router but its not encrypting it, why? http://pastebin.ca/1641118 |
| 03:06.49 | Judge-- | dkr how can I do that? Would take too much time to learn? |
| 03:06.53 | dkr | there are also some kernel features to help mitigate the effect of specific kinds of DoSs like syn floods |
| 03:07.23 | Judge-- | yes, it will |
| 03:07.28 | dkr | Judge--: well, they are just options, if you aren't familiar with iptables already it might take a bit of time though |
| 03:07.40 | Judge-- | No Next-> Next-> Next? hahaha, joking |
| 03:07.41 | markybob | Judge--, you would be wise to listen to me. http://deflate.medialayer.com/ |
| 03:07.52 | Judge-- | alright, I'll |
| 03:08.04 | Judge-- | Don't have much time to loose |
| 03:08.05 | Judge-- | :/ |
| 03:08.07 | Judge-- | thank you guys. |
| 03:08.57 | dkr | you can also do things at the app level, like with mod-security if running apache |
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| 03:09.53 | Judge-- | dkr the problem is that it's an IRC server man.. |
| 03:10.06 | Judge-- | IRC is some kind of sugar of the lammers |
| 03:10.28 | simonrvn | 'lamers' |
| 03:10.37 | dkr | indeed. IRC is the dregs of the internet. :) |
| 03:10.38 | abrotman | lambers |
| 03:10.49 | Judge-- | sorry. |
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| 03:11.18 | justin | markybob: how exactly is that going to help a system that is being icmp flooded? |
| 03:11.26 | justin | markybob: other than not at all |
| 03:11.48 | simonrvn | no need to apologise, just learn - learning something is a growth experience (potentially) |
| 03:12.01 | Judge-- | sure. |
| 03:12.10 | humbolt | something is wrong with my laptop after resuming from suspention. I have tons of IO! What could be the source of the problem? Swappiness being set to some weird value by suspend?? |
| 03:12.26 | markybob | justin, ...it uses iptables, monitors what's happening and uses iptables to block attacks, such as icmp floods. are you retarded or just ignorant? |
| 03:12.37 | simonrvn | dkr: heh |
| 03:12.40 | justin | markybob: FAIL |
| 03:13.01 | markybob | justin, sure. if you say so |
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| 03:13.32 | stew | markybob: there is no need for that |
| 03:13.45 | KB1JWQ | Please be civil. |
| 03:13.51 | justin | someone please explain how IP works to markybob , i'm goign to sleep |
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| 03:14.36 | markybob | heh. nice :) yes, all should listen to you |
| 03:14.40 | simonrvn | again? :P |
| 03:15.03 | Judge-- | Guys, you have more experience then me.. it will work or not? please |
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| 03:16.04 | markybob | Judge--, sounds to me like you're out of time. do as i suggested, and if it doesnt help, you'll find out rather immediately |
| 03:16.27 | Judge-- | sure, what could be a second try? |
| 03:16.29 | abrotman | uhm ... it's not going to work |
| 03:16.30 | stew | Judge--: you are getting a ddos? |
| 03:16.46 | Judge-- | stew the hub started falling by "ping time out" |
| 03:17.00 | markybob | hub? you're using a hub? |
| 03:17.14 | stew | Judge--: the hub meaning the thing that your computer hooks to get get internet access? |
| 03:17.17 | Judge-- | no man. The network hub |
| 03:17.19 | stew | or what? |
| 03:17.21 | kaeles | justin: sorry was afk, I used mdadm --create |
| 03:17.26 | Judge-- | some of the network opers/admins may have got the ip |
| 03:17.46 | stew | Judge--: if the problem is affecting stuff upstream of you, the problem needs to be fixed upstream of you |
| 03:17.48 | Judge-- | no, the irc server that is the HUB.. |
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| 03:17.56 | kaeles | Justin: here is the exact command => mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=128 --level=raid5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:17.59 | stew | Judge--: but most likely "hub" isn't an accurate word |
| 03:18.09 | Judge-- | stew I check auth.log and no abnormal activity |
| 03:18.11 | stew | Judge--: do you mean "router" perhaps? |
| 03:18.17 | kaeles | err |
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| 03:18.23 | kaeles | add /dev/sdd1 at the end there |
| 03:18.38 | Judge-- | May be I'm not familiar with the right terms, I'll explain then. |
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| 03:18.59 | Judge-- | The server falling down is the server that receive other server's connections and put them all together |
| 03:19.01 | kaeles | oh, hes asleep |
| 03:19.14 | Judge-- | it's a normal server, except by the fact that no users connect to it, just servers |
| 03:19.26 | stew | Judge--: and do you control this server that puts the connections together? |
| 03:19.27 | Judge-- | a hub of irc servers/ |
| 03:19.30 | Judge-- | . |
| 03:19.41 | Judge-- | stew exactly |
| 03:19.45 | simonrvn | aah, i see |
| 03:19.46 | stew | oh, yes, ok, hub is the right word then |
| 03:19.47 | Judge-- | this is a network for friends |
| 03:19.51 | kaeles | Anyone else have a clue about this ? ok, first time setting up raid 5 under debian/linux and after i did the mdadm --create /dev/md0 etc, the mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows 2 active synced device /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1, a faulty removed device with no device name and then the third disk /dev/sdd1 as a spare, these are new drives, is raid 5 supposed to look like this or is sometihng screwy? |
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| 03:20.14 | stew | Judge--: and this hub is getting a ddos? |
| 03:20.32 | Judge-- | Well, your question makes me really wonder if so.. |
| 03:20.34 | simonrvn | not very nice |
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| 03:20.55 | Judge-- | It's falling from Ping Time Out. The only thing that came to my mind was it, considering the context |
| 03:21.05 | Judge-- | (context in this context means IRC) |
| 03:22.31 | Judge-- | netstat -ntu | awk '{print $5}' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -n (the command in the MediaLayer) outputs just few ips, all of them known by me (my leaf irc servers). Guess that method is not going to work then.. right? |
| 03:22.58 | dkr | right |
| 03:23.20 | stew | Judge--: which irc software are you using? i'm wondering if perhaps a channel specific to the ircd software would be better able to help |
| 03:23.48 | Judge-- | ircu |
| 03:24.06 | Judge-- | doubt they would help. |
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| 03:31.20 | malaka2 | slaps Alam_Squeeze around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:32.11 | rajeshsr | ok, updation done, can i install locales now and reboot? |
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| 03:34.50 | hackeron | hey, I'm trying to configure my APC ups -- apcaccess shows DWAKE: -01 Seconds -- how do I change it to 60 Seconds? |
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| 03:37.33 | Judge-- | thank you guys. Need to sleep.. I'll call the ISP tomorrow |
| 03:37.36 | Judge-- | see you/ |
| 03:37.38 | Judge-- | . |
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| 03:43.15 | Poincare1 | hello, I have a problem. The thing is, I'm writing a python script which is basically an echo server. |
| 03:43.18 | Poincare1 | Every time I run it, it says "address already in use". I wait a few minutes. Run it again, and then it runs fine. I think this has something to do with caching how can I clear the cache? |
| 03:43.44 | deadcat | hmm. i dont know why. after upgrade (debian unstable) my apple kb is pretty much useless. i have to reset the battery EVERY time i reboot the machine. and even then it doesnt always work. i have to reseat my bluetooth device as well. what am i doing wrong? |
| 03:44.36 | Poincare1 | anyone care to answer my question? Should I post it again? |
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| 03:49.17 | tome | Poincare1, I don't know python, nor what this could have to do with Debian. What type of 'caching' do you think is going on? My guess is just that the process isn't actually closing the handle to the port or whatever |
| 03:49.57 | Poincare1 | I think that the operating system still thinks the socket is active (not exactly "caching", I know) |
| 03:49.59 | tome | you can use netstat I think to check that out |
| 03:50.04 | Poincare1 | i know |
| 03:50.07 | Poincare1 | I did that |
| 03:50.16 | Poincare1 | I just don't know how to close the socket |
| 03:50.43 | tome | socket.close() ? |
| 03:51.40 | tome | the python doc says "Sockets are automatically closed when they are garbage-collected." |
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| 03:51.47 | tome | are you running this in some kind of web server? |
| 03:52.07 | rajeshsr | congrats to me! :) Got into lenny! |
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| 03:53.11 | rajeshsr | well, i seem to be having a lot of replicated packages! g++-2.95 g++-3.3 g++-4.1 g++-4.3 |
| 03:53.21 | rajeshsr | is there any way to get those out? |
| 03:53.32 | rajeshsr | this is true for many packages.. |
| 03:53.52 | Poincare1 | i am not running a web server well I sort of am |
| 03:54.02 | Poincare1 | if you mean HTTP server no, if you mean TCP server |
| 03:54.20 | Poincare1 | yes |
| 03:54.30 | tome | Poincare1, I mean something that may keep the python process running, such that garbage collection occurs a few minutes after you think your app has 'ended' |
| 03:54.44 | tome | do you call an explicit socket.close() ? |
| 03:54.52 | Poincare1 | yes I did |
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| 03:55.36 | tome | then my guess is that they still wait for it to be garbage collected, and only then really close it on the OS side... Maybe you can force a GC cycle just to test the theory |
| 03:56.00 | tome | gc.collect() |
| 03:58.20 | simonrvn | rajeshsr: \o/ |
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| 03:58.57 | Poincare1 | doesn't work either |
| 03:59.15 | tome | can you run the app without any surrounding env. |
| 03:59.20 | tome | as a stand-alone script |
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| 03:59.45 | rajeshsr | simonrvn, ha, tats just an example i have got! So think how much other softwares i have! :) |
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| 04:00.04 | rajeshsr | feeling lazy to locate and remove from synaptic! :) |
| 04:00.25 | tome | Poincare1, if you can, and if that still happens, I'd talk to #python, otherwise, no idea ; ( sorry |
| 04:00.47 | Poincare1 | thank you very much for your time, tome |
| 04:01.00 | tome | Wish I could help more. good luck |
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| 04:05.53 | hugo | hi |
| 04:06.38 | tome | hi |
| 04:06.52 | hugo | any recommendations for netbook on which can runs debian? |
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| 04:09.07 | hugo | ubuntu is ok |
| 04:16.31 | deadcat | what does this mean? INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 04:16.32 | deadcat | INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
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| 04:20.41 | tome | what were you doing at the time? |
| 04:20.44 | tome | deadcat, |
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| 04:21.16 | tome | I see hits for that all over google |
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| 04:22.13 | rabidweezle | I have an ath5k wireless, and it's not switching itself on (all I have is a software switch it seems) |
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| 04:23.01 | rabidweezle | as in, ifconfig shows it's there as wlan0, but it doesn't scan |
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| 04:26.52 | hark | rabidweezle: try a newer kernel |
| 04:28.26 | salmondine | hi all, just installed 5.0.1 and I can't get gnome ppp to work...any advice, it dials my serial modem |
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| 04:30.07 | salmondine | I get a message on log that says permissions or path might be wrong? |
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| 04:31.44 | salmondine | same hardware worked perfectly on PCLinux 2007 |
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| 04:32.06 | Helmi | hey all - does anyone have an idea what happened when not even root can edit a file that belongs to root:root with 644 rights? |
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| 04:32.46 | stew | Helmi: what does "lsattr filename" reutrn ? all -----'s or is there an 'i' or som eother letters stuck in there? |
| 04:33.18 | Helmi | stew: ----i------------- |
| 04:33.20 | yellowrooster | how can i figure out what version of debian is running on the netbook? |
| 04:34.09 | stew | Helmi: right, the "i" means someone set the file as "immutable" |
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| 04:34.29 | stew | yellowrooster: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 04:34.43 | Helmi | stew: ah ok - that's new to me. how can i revert this to make the file editable again? |
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| 04:35.11 | stew | Helmi: who set the file as immutable? do you know why they did? (it would have to be someone with root access. its not a very typical thing to do) |
| 04:35.22 | yellowrooster | stew, thanks for your reply. i currently have libnss3-1d version 3.12.0-5 installed. how do i find out about libc6 version? |
| 04:35.29 | Helmi | stew: hackers :-( |
| 04:35.33 | stew | Helmi: right |
| 04:35.39 | stew | Helmi: that's typically when we see it |
| 04:35.53 | stew | Helmi: you can change it with chattr. but you should probably just reinstall the box |
| 04:35.54 | rabidweezle | hark, does lenny's distro have newer kernels in it? |
| 04:36.05 | joeytwiddle | yellowrooster: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 04:36.11 | Helmi | stew: i'm already in the process of digging through logfiles, running rootkit hunters and stuff but i have to edit this file to get there .exe loader out there. |
| 04:36.17 | stew | judd: versions libnss3-1d |
| 04:36.18 | judd | stew: libnss3-1d -- lenny: 3.12.0-5 lenny-security: 3.12.3.1-0lenny1 sid: 3.12.4-1 squeeze: 3.12.4-1 |
| 04:36.22 | Helmi | stew: i guess i should... |
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| 04:36.32 | krisfremen | hello guys |
| 04:36.35 | stew | yellowrooster: looks like lenny that is missing security updates |
| 04:36.35 | yellowrooster | my libc6 is version 2.7-18 |
| 04:36.41 | krisfremen | i'm having a little bit of a problem one of my debian boxes |
| 04:36.50 | yellowrooster | my debian is version 5.0 |
| 04:36.50 | krisfremen | the network card just stopped working |
| 04:37.05 | krisfremen | whenever i try to ping i get "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 04:37.05 | stew | yellowrooster: yes, that is lenny, aka 5.0 |
| 04:37.17 | krisfremen | i'm running lenny |
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| 04:37.40 | yellowrooster | stew, will getting security updates mean that i get an updated libnss3-1d? |
| 04:38.18 | laserlife | is it normal for a IDE HDD running lenny to never spin down ?. no matter what is happning the HDD is always spinning. |
| 04:38.44 | yellowrooster | and if lenny/5.0 is missing security updates, how can one get security updates? |
| 04:38.47 | hark | rabidweezle: backports has. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 04:38.52 | stew | laserlife: yes, see the judd reply about that package, you'd get 3.12.3.1-0lenny1 |
| 04:39.06 | stew | laserlife: err, not you |
| 04:39.06 | hark | rabidweezle: or you can also use madwifi |
| 04:39.12 | stew | yellowrooster: see the judd reply about that package, you'd get 3.12.3.1-0lenny1 |
| 04:39.21 | stew | yellowrooster: /msg dpkg security |
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| 04:39.47 | yellowrooster | stew, what "judd reply"? |
| 04:40.08 | stew | 00:36 < ~judd> stew: libnss3-1d -- lenny: 3.12.0-5 lenny-security: 3.12.3.1-0lenny1 sid: 3.12.4-1 squeeze: 3.12.4-1 |
| 04:40.17 | yellowrooster | stew, i don't get it |
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| 04:41.13 | stew | yellowrooster: judd is responding with all the versions of libnss3-1d available from the debian repositories. if you were pulling from the lenny-security updates, you'd get a newer version of libnss3-1d |
| 04:41.37 | yellowrooster | stew, how can I pull from the lenny-security updates? |
| 04:42.06 | stew | !security |
| 04:42.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 04:42.14 | stew | yellowrooster: see above^^^ |
| 04:42.18 | yellowrooster | thanks! |
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| 04:44.29 | krisfremen | so i tried resetting the router |
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| 04:44.49 | krisfremen | but it still doesn't work |
| 04:45.10 | krisfremen | what can i check what is causing this? |
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| 04:45.36 | fbh | krisfremen: what's your problem? |
| 04:46.01 | krisfremen | one of my debian boxes just lost the network |
| 04:46.08 | krisfremen | i can't ping or do anything |
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| 04:46.18 | krisfremen | i get connect: Network is unreachable |
| 04:46.34 | laserlife | krisfremen: can you try a new NIC ? |
| 04:46.37 | fbh | krisfremen: Does the network card indicate link? |
| 04:47.11 | krisfremen | i don't have another NIC |
| 04:48.06 | fbh | krisfremen: Does the NIC indicate link on its diodes? |
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| 04:48.39 | krisfremen | yes |
| 04:48.52 | fbh | krisfremen: DHCP or static config? |
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| 04:49.12 | krisfremen | static |
| 04:49.42 | fbh | Okay, do you run DHCP on your network? If you do try if you can obtain an IP with dhclient |
| 04:50.10 | krisfremen | i have to run a static, as i run a web server and other things that require a static ip |
| 04:50.28 | yellowrooster | stew, i already had "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file. i then ran " sudo aptitude update", but the last few lines said this: http://pastebin.ca/1641189 |
| 04:50.33 | fbh | krisfremen: ofc. this is just for testing.. not permanent setting |
| 04:53.16 | krisfremen | yup |
| 04:53.20 | krisfremen | got a dhcp |
| 04:53.24 | krisfremen | it works now |
| 04:53.29 | stew | yellowrooster: yeah, we changed the gpg key to the archive a few months ago. depending on your level of paranoia, you can get this key via gpg and verify a trust path to it, and install it with apt-key, or just trust it and install the latest version of the debian-archive-keyring package |
| 04:53.33 | fbh | And you can ping stuff? |
| 04:53.36 | krisfremen | yes |
| 04:53.58 | fbh | Okay.. so the NIC works. Get rid of dhclient and restart networking |
| 04:54.33 | yellowrooster | how do i do either? |
| 04:55.16 | yellowrooster | stew: see above^^^ |
| 04:55.22 | fbh | yellowrooster: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv F1D53D8C4F368D5D and then: gpg --export --armor F1D53D8C4F368D5D | apt-key add - |
| 04:55.34 | stew | yellowrooster: are there any gpg keys in existence that you ultimately trust, which sign other keys? I'm guessing not. so do the latter and "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring ; aptitude update" |
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| 04:57.06 | krisfremen | :-/ |
| 04:57.19 | fbh | krisfremen: ? |
| 04:57.29 | krisfremen | i restarted the networking, but the ip stays the same from the dhclient? |
| 04:57.43 | fbh | krisfremen: Does dhclient still run? |
| 04:58.53 | krisfremen | no |
| 04:58.55 | yellowrooster | stew: i've done what you suggested. |
| 04:59.15 | yellowrooster | when i did it, i saw some text saying 91 packages not upgraded. is that the way it ought to be? |
| 04:59.29 | yellowrooster | or should those packages be upgraded? if so, how do we upgrade them? |
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| 04:59.37 | stew | yellowrooster: upgrade them with "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 05:00.09 | fbh | krisfremen: ifconfig ethX ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 05:00.44 | krisfremen | thing is, how can i prevent this from happening again? |
| 05:00.50 | krisfremen | it has happened a few times before |
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| 05:01.19 | fbh | Where have you configured your static interface? |
| 05:01.32 | krisfremen | /etc/interfaces |
| 05:01.39 | yellowrooster | by the way, what's the diff between this debian chat room in irc.ubuntu.org and the #debian room in irc.debian.org? |
| 05:01.46 | krisfremen | /etc/network/interfaces* |
| 05:02.05 | stew | yellowrooster: in theory, little. this one is much more popular |
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| 05:02.21 | yellowrooster | stew, i did it, but maybe i should not. it's going to take up 70 mb of space. on my netbook which has only 500 mb of free space |
| 05:02.28 | yellowrooster | stew, yeah. |
| 05:02.36 | stew | yellowrooster: and note that this network is probably more accurately referred to as freenode not irc.ubuntu.org, as this one has a lot more on it than ubuntu |
| 05:02.37 | fbh | krisfremen: That should do fine, so its weird you drop the connection |
| 05:03.03 | yellowrooster | irc.ubuntu.org = irc.freenode.net ? |
| 05:03.05 | krisfremen | it dropped on its own |
| 05:03.20 | fbh | krisfremen: That's what I meant :P |
| 05:04.07 | stew | yellowrooster: "irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for chat.freenode.net" read about freenode on http://freenode.net |
| 05:04.24 | jeancalvin500 | stew, ok. |
| 05:05.25 | stew | yellowrooster: "irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net." oftc.net is another freenode like network that is under the same holding company that has holdings for debian, spi (see http://oftc.net and http://spi-inc.org) |
| 05:05.48 | krisfremen | fbh: which log file can i consult to see what happened to the nic? |
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| 05:06.34 | fbh | krisfremen: To be honest I dont know if syslog or dmesg does not tell you anything exciting, I have never experienced that a configured interface suddenly stopped working |
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| 05:08.12 | krisfremen | fbh: what can i use to prevent ipv6? |
| 05:08.25 | krisfremen | cuz i use ipv4 and i see lots of references to ipv6 in dmesg |
| 05:08.56 | jmarsden | krisfremen: Unless you know what you are doing and are sure the ipv6 stuff is the cause of your issue, leave it alone. |
| 05:09.07 | fbh | krisfremen: prevent ipv6? Hehe that's not well liked for an IPv6 fan as me |
| 05:09.39 | krisfremen | i do use ipv6 |
| 05:09.43 | krisfremen | just not on this network |
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| 05:15.58 | krisfremen | grr |
| 05:16.01 | krisfremen | happened again |
| 05:16.41 | fbh | krisfremen: Strange. Unfortunately I have no great ideas as I have never experienced anything like it |
| 05:18.16 | yellowrooster | stew, thanks for all your help today. i got google chrome running on my debian netbook. |
| 05:18.24 | krisfremen | and as soon as i revert to the old ip, it starts again |
| 05:18.30 | yellowrooster | hope you enjoy chrome/chromium on linux |
| 05:18.36 | krisfremen | it works for a few seconds then it drops |
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| 05:21.49 | fbh | krisfremen: You make sure that you use an IP adress that is NOT within the dhcp address space? |
| 05:23.11 | krisfremen | yes |
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| 05:23.23 | krisfremen | dhcp is from 100 to 110 |
| 05:23.31 | krisfremen | i'm using 192.168.1.50 |
| 05:24.06 | fbh | Do you have other static units on your network that just works? |
| 05:24.28 | krisfremen | nope, it's just this one pc |
| 05:24.49 | krisfremen | i have my netbook, but it's dhcp |
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| 05:26.18 | fbh | Okay.. hmm. I'm out of ideas then. |
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| 05:29.38 | jhujhiti | i guess all i need is a tool to create a Packages file from the cache |
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| 05:33.19 | krisfremen | now it seems that i can't ssh to the box |
| 05:33.25 | krisfremen | oh krap |
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| 05:37.57 | anwoke | hi I was wondering if there was someone here that could give me a quick hand, I just installed debian, and it is pulling the static ip address we purchase from our isp but I can't get it online |
| 05:39.12 | fbh | can you ping the gateway? |
| 05:39.24 | krisfremen | yes |
| 05:39.31 | fbh | And is the IP address "static" or static? |
| 05:39.39 | anwoke | this box will be the gateway |
| 05:40.09 | krisfremen | oh xD, was that meant for me? |
| 05:40.10 | fbh | ... not localhost, the gateway you are supposed to use at your ISP |
| 05:40.25 | anwoke | we have DSL and only have the one static ip address from qwest so they said to get the box to pull the ip address (as the modem also pulls the address) is to put it into the DMZ zone |
| 05:40.35 | anwoke | so it is static |
| 05:40.37 | fbh | krisfremen: No sorry, in your case I still cant think of more clever things to say |
| 05:41.08 | anwoke | I have it in the dmz sone, and it is pulling the correct static ip address from our isp |
| 05:41.18 | anwoke | but i can't ping anything |
| 05:41.19 | fbh | anwoke: pulling how..? |
| 05:42.00 | anwoke | it is set to dhcp to pull the static ip address from qwest |
| 05:42.20 | anwoke | which is how I have always done it and it has always worked in the past |
| 05:42.32 | fbh | If it is a DHCP address it is not a static address. |
| 05:43.03 | anwoke | true debian is dhcp, ip address from qwest to modem is static |
| 05:43.24 | fbh | Well, can you ping the gateway of that IP? |
| 05:43.26 | anwoke | and I am trying to pull the static ip from qwest that we rent and put it on to the debian box |
| 05:43.44 | anwoke | no |
| 05:44.52 | fbh | Okay, does your ISP have some filter on the time that has to go between connecting new devices before allowing then IP traffic? |
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| 05:45.00 | anwoke | what I have done in the past as we only have the 1 static ip address from qwest is put the debian box in the dmz zone in the dsl router and then it pulls the same ip address as the modem/masks the address which is the static ip address we are renting |
| 05:45.12 | anwoke | no |
| 05:45.39 | fbh | Do you have a dsl modem -> router -> server? |
| 05:45.44 | anwoke | I am sure I have a config or someting wrong, I have set this up in the past and it worked |
| 05:46.01 | anwoke | dsl modem/router combo > server |
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| 05:46.16 | fbh | You cant bypass or disable that router functionality entirely? |
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| 05:47.17 | anwoke | on the router no, thats why we had to put the debian server into the dmz zone, the 2wire modems from qwest, the new firmware blocks disabling the routing |
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| 05:48.04 | fbh | Okay, weird.. But cant you just use a NAT address on the server? |
| 05:48.50 | anwoke | don't think so because we are setting debian up to be a firewall for the network |
| 05:48.59 | fredl | installing gnome in Sid still disables dmsetup and lvm2 |
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| 05:49.35 | anwoke | debian will be doing nat, but the modem/router won't be |
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| 05:50.09 | TongueOfColicab | hi, sorry for the question, php channel please? |
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| 05:51.05 | fbh | anwoke: uhm okay, weird ISP tbh. I have never experienced being forced to go through the standard router I have always ordered a normal modem without routerfunctionality |
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| 05:52.45 | anwoke | I am sure there is a setting somewhere that I am missing, we copied the config from a working config using cable internet (and was working on the same DSL internet before we switched it to cable) but we moved that box to a different location, and then decided to get a second box up and running at the first location after moving the box at the first location to the second |
| 05:52.48 | Arrowmaster | anwoke: you are being a NAT so you wont see the public static ip on the debian box |
| 05:52.51 | anwoke | if that makes any sens |
| 05:53.09 | anwoke | it is pulling the public ip |
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| 05:53.39 | anwoke | thats why I have to put the debian server in dmz in the modem so it assigns the public ip to the server |
| 05:53.42 | Arrowmaster | then thats a really messed up modem/router config |
| 05:54.08 | anwoke | I know, thats they way this isp does it and I hate it |
| 05:54.27 | anwoke | so its pulling the public ip as it should, but can't ping or anything |
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| 05:55.38 | fbh | anwoke: It just sounds really really weird. If I had an ISP that FORCED me to use their stupid router, I'd use one static NAT address on my linux and forward all ports to it. |
| 05:55.39 | Arrowmaster | check that the routes are correct on the debian box, if they are blame the router because its not working properly |
| 05:56.07 | fbh | But I would more likely choose another ISP. |
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| 05:56.47 | anwoke | thats what I am trying to do is use the static ip I get from the isp and then will be using shorewall for teh routing |
| 05:57.19 | anwoke | I am basically just using the modem for the raw internet connecting and by putting it in the dmz and using debian for the router bypassing the routing fuctions in the modem |
| 05:57.21 | krisfremen | fbh: well i got it working somehow |
| 05:58.03 | anwoke | and I have it pulling the ip address assigned from the isp, but can't ping, I checked the dns settings and they looked fine |
| 05:58.21 | krisfremen | but for some reason, inbound traffic on that box doesn't go through |
| 05:58.28 | anwoke | nope |
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| 06:00.25 | fredl | unfscking real... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545032 |
| 06:00.53 | Arrowmaster | anwoke: and the debian box is getting its ip from dhcp right? |
| 06:01.26 | anwoke | yeah it is dhcp from the modem which is set to assign it the static ip address given us by the isp |
| 06:01.42 | Arrowmaster | did you program the modem to give it that ip? |
| 06:01.48 | anwoke | yeah |
| 06:01.55 | Arrowmaster | thats probably whats wrong |
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| 06:02.23 | anwoke | with these modems you put a system in the dmz zone and it will automatically assign the public ip to what ever system is in the dmz zone |
| 06:02.46 | Arrowmaster | how do you tell it what is in the dmz? |
| 06:03.01 | anwoke | through the modem web interface |
| 06:03.15 | Arrowmaster | right but now does it identify the system? |
| 06:03.16 | monkeyman | how do i make packages that are available for backtrack available in debian? |
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| 06:03.19 | Arrowmaster | how |
| 06:03.30 | anwoke | I believe it uses the mac address |
| 06:03.39 | fbh | anwoke: What model is that modem? |
| 06:03.46 | krisfremen | is there a way to really restart the NIC |
| 06:03.57 | krisfremen | cuz it's not accepting inbound traffic for some reason |
| 06:04.13 | krisfremen | and i don't want to restart this box |
| 06:04.13 | anwoke | 2701HG-D Gateway |
| 06:04.18 | anwoke | made by 2wire |
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| 06:06.25 | fbh | and they removed the "Enable Routing" thing where you can disable routing and put it to bridge mode? |
| 06:06.56 | anwoke | qwest did on thier new firmware, I can't even get to the /mdc page anymore |
| 06:07.06 | fbh | sigh |
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| 06:07.26 | fbh | But on your old setip you had routing disabled right+ |
| 06:07.48 | fbh | setup* |
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| 06:07.50 | anwoke | can't remember |
| 06:07.56 | fbh | You probably did |
| 06:08.01 | anwoke | it has been a few months since i last configured this |
| 06:08.22 | anwoke | I don't think I did because we were using the wireless part of the 2wire at the same time |
| 06:08.36 | anwoke | wait, maybe I wasn't |
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| 06:08.53 | fbh | uhm.. then it did NAT. . |
| 06:09.09 | fbh | It cannot just let wireless clients use internet out of the blue |
| 06:09.09 | anwoke | no I think I was using a external wireless router |
| 06:09.46 | anwoke | when I pull it out of dmz it connects just fine |
| 06:09.56 | fbh | and gets a NAT address? |
| 06:11.21 | monkeyman | can anybody help me plz? ow do i make packages that are available for backtrack available in debian? |
| 06:11.51 | anwoke | yes I believe so |
| 06:12.06 | anwoke | I just diabled the dmz restarted networking and I can ping just fine |
| 06:12.27 | anwoke | but when i put it back in the dmz so it pulls the public ip then no internet |
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| 06:14.21 | anwoke | confirmed, just put it back in, and no internet connection |
| 06:15.00 | fbh | use nat and forward all ports to that address. |
| 06:16.02 | anwoke | might have to, but thats going to make doing everything else a pain in the neck |
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| 06:16.19 | fbh | how so? |
| 06:16.45 | anwoke | because I would have to forward them in the modem, and then turn around and forward them in the server |
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| 06:16.59 | fbh | no.. forward all 65536 ports to the server |
| 06:17.01 | anwoke | as the server is going tob e the firewall and the vpn serer |
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| 06:22.22 | asarch | Any bug fix for this: "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)"? |
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| 06:24.55 | anwoke | won't let me forward all the public ports to the public ip |
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| 06:25.54 | somiaj | asarch: I don't see any error in what you posted. what are you trying to fix? |
| 06:26.18 | asarch | I can't hear anything |
| 06:26.51 | somiaj | asarch: did you add your user to the audio group then log out and back in? |
| 06:26.52 | asarch | I add this "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" at the end of "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" |
| 06:26.59 | asarch | But I still don't hear anything |
| 06:27.28 | cahoot | asarch: speaker-test gives no error? |
| 06:29.17 | asarch | Let's see |
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| 06:30.02 | Simkin | hey guys |
| 06:30.11 | Simkin | i usually use gentoo, but i'm using debian on a dedicated server |
| 06:30.33 | monkeyman | can anybody help me plz? ow do i make packages that are available for backtrack available in debian? |
| 06:30.53 | Simkin | i am trying to block this ip using hosts.deny because it is flooding my server with requests: 93.209.24.55 - - [23/Oct/2009:23:29:34 -0700] "GET /images/AsmodianGuide.jpg HTTP/1.1" 403 360 "-" "-" |
| 06:31.02 | Simkin | but even though the entry is in the hosts.deny file, it still allows access |
| 06:31.10 | Simkin | is ther an additional step i need to take after editting hosts.deny ? |
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| 06:33.21 | asarch | cahoot, http://shak.pastebin.com/m6eb40a0 |
| 06:34.32 | cahoot | asarch: right it doesn't, silence though? |
| 06:34.43 | asarch | Yeap |
| 06:34.46 | asarch | :-( |
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| 06:35.09 | cahoot | asarch: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one? |
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| 06:36.18 | asarch | [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 06:36.19 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.41 | asarch | My lspci: http://shak.pastebin.com/m2e38502f |
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| 06:37.13 | cahoot | asarch: right, and /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 makes no differemce wrt speaker-test? |
| 06:37.36 | asarch | Let's see |
| 06:38.59 | cahoot | asarch: lspci -nn would tell you its pciid, which is a better ground for googling |
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| 06:46.07 | ksnp | any truecrypt users here ? |
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| 06:48.47 | monkeyman | can anybody help me plz? how do i make packages that are available for backtrack available in debian? |
| 06:49.57 | ksnp | hi i am trying to use truecrypt or mcrypt so that there no issues with block access or any file system issues for various programs / services |
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| 06:50.47 | ksnp | something that preferably allow to use with fast access |
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| 06:55.17 | MadHattenNY | hi all |
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| 06:56.43 | neoice | if I have a cronjob like "* */4 * * *", that will actually execute EVERY minute every 4th hour, right? I'd want to do something like "10 */4 * * *" instead? |
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| 06:59.41 | mhymn | monkeyman: i don't understand what you mean exactly |
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| 07:02.10 | monkeyman | mhymn: i mean that i want to get some of the packages i need that are not available in debian repos but are available in backtracks |
| 07:02.37 | Arrowmaster | you mean backports? |
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| 07:04.26 | neoice | isnt Backtrack based on Slax? |
| 07:04.33 | monkeyman | Arrowmaster: the packages that i need aren't available in debian repos; even in backports |
| 07:04.49 | neoice | build from source? |
| 07:05.24 | ksnp | anyone use mcrypt or truecrypt here ? :) |
| 07:06.03 | ksnp | looks like no one read my question :) |
| 07:06.04 | ksnp | j/k |
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| 07:06.28 | monkeyman | neoice: i can build it from source but it takes too long to compile just 1 package and i need about a dozen packages |
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| 07:07.10 | monkeyman | Arrowmaster: i'm using the unstable version of debian |
| 07:07.23 | monkeyman | for ur information |
| 07:09.33 | neoice | monkeyman: if the package isnt in the debian repos, you might be able to find a third-party .deb or a .rpm. otherwise, building by source is the only option. check the upstream homepages |
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| 07:11.01 | ddalton | hi guys, my mplayer is being a bit scratchy, when i play a song it skips in and out, anyone know why? |
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| 07:13.40 | monkeyman | neoice: thanks for the tips |
| 07:15.07 | ddalton | hello? |
| 07:15.07 | mhymn | ddalton: in and out??! any error? are you sure it's mplayer fault? |
| 07:15.23 | ddalton | well other players play the music fine |
| 07:16.11 | Coweater | no output to terminal when it skips? what format is the music? |
| 07:16.28 | ddalton | mp3 |
| 07:16.56 | ddalton | Coweater: i can't find any output, syslog doesnt seem to show anything either. |
| 07:17.55 | Coweater | i mean from mplayer when run in a terminal. it is usually pretty verbose about what's going on |
| 07:18.16 | mhymn | true |
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| 07:18.42 | ddalton | hmmm, yeah, i also see it says can't open socket |
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| 07:18.51 | ddalton | no such file or dir is that a problem |
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| 07:19.42 | farri | I am in a shared host with debian4 and libc2.3.6 but I have an app that needs libc2.4, is there any way I can locally solve this problem? remember I am in a shared host |
| 07:19.49 | Coweater | it'll be something after "Starting playback..." |
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| 07:22.22 | NoCode | Is there anyway to get SWAP to swap more memory? |
| 07:22.26 | ddalton | h when i quit it says |
| 07:22.27 | ddalton | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 719: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! |
| 07:22.30 | ddalton | d |
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| 07:22.58 | nareshov | ddalton: i'm getting the same thing |
| 07:23.18 | nareshov | but my mplayer is from marillat's repo |
| 07:24.24 | ddalton | hmmm |
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| 07:24.42 | ddalton | ill check mine isnt from multimedia |
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| 07:25.18 | ddalton | nah its from debian it appears |
| 07:25.46 | mhymn | it has that problem with mp3's only? |
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| 07:26.28 | ddalton | um i can try and check |
| 07:26.28 | ddalton | i just dont have any other files |
| 07:26.28 | Dr-Horrible | I am trying to remount partition rw but it doesn't work, the mount -o remount,rw / gives me the erro mount: / not mounted already or bad option |
| 07:26.33 | nareshov | ddalton: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018 |
| 07:26.39 | ddalton | nah does it with wav too |
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| 07:30.32 | ddalton | thanks |
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| 07:30.42 | ddalton | how is the best way to downgrade libopenal1 ? |
| 07:30.47 | ddalton | what* |
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| 07:32.06 | mhymn | ddalton: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 07:32.27 | ddalton | thanks |
| 07:32.59 | mhymn | also, trying different audio outputs in mplayer with -ao might help |
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| 07:33.23 | ddalton | ah right the way i usually do that |
| 07:33.35 | ddalton | thanks :) |
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| 07:34.20 | mhymn | np |
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| 07:41.00 | fredl | does http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552154 look 'grave' to anybody else?? |
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| 07:49.22 | JosefAssad | moin |
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| 07:50.08 | JosefAssad | I see gem update --system is disabled on testing, and I see there's such a thing as debgem but that only explicitly supports Etch. What is recommended for a testing user? |
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| 08:01.26 | devil2005 | hello, i have debian 4.0 installed and i need to install GCC, i downloaded the source but it told me i need GCC to compile it. is their a binary for it? |
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| 08:02.09 | Polarina | devil2005: aptitude install build-essential |
| 08:02.19 | Polarina | devil2005: And upgrade to 5.0. 4.0 is discontinued. |
| 08:04.01 | devil2005 | it says aptitude isnt a command. i only have shell access to this server |
| 08:04.21 | cahoot | apt-get? |
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| 08:04.45 | devil2005 | apt-get gcc ? |
| 08:04.46 | cahoot | as root btw |
| 08:04.58 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 08:04.59 | dpkg | build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 08:05.11 | Polarina | devil2005: apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:05.58 | devil2005 | ok thank you :) |
| 08:06.15 | Polarina | :-) |
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| 08:06.45 | fredl | so does Debian just try to insert as many useless kernel modules as it can? |
| 08:06.51 | negge | is it just me or is the update-manager in Squeeze completely broken? When I run it it asks me to do a safe-upgrade, I click no and then "Check", it finds some updates but the "Install updates" button is greyyed out so I have to use the command line |
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| 08:06.55 | cahoot | no approach |
| 08:07.27 | lccsjce | http://fosscamp.lccsjce.org/index.html |
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| 08:08.08 | NoCode | negge, Yeah, I have the same problem. It must be broken. But, what I've found was, uncheck one, then recheck it, and the others that have been unchecked and the button will appear proper. |
| 08:08.16 | cahoot | fredl: you feel the kernel-image is too competent? |
| 08:08.27 | fredl | lccsjce - this is #debian in case you hadn't noticed. |
| 08:08.41 | fredl | cahoot - no, I think it's a pig in snot. |
| 08:08.57 | negge | NoCode: I just ran an update "the manual way", but I will check it the next time. After all we get quite a lot of updates... |
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| 08:09.39 | NoCode | yeah |
| 08:09.42 | war9407 | Does anyone know how to change the text of the applications in the application kde/desktop bar? The background is black and so is the text, so you cannot read anything. |
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| 08:10.21 | fredl | doesnt use KDE and wishes GNOME would start working again in Sid. |
| 08:10.42 | cahoot | fredl: looking for a general purpose kernel customized just for you? |
| 08:11.34 | mhymn | war9407: try #kde |
| 08:11.39 | fredl | cahoot - nah it's fine the way it is actually for most people, I'm just building my own now and noticing just how many useless modules are loaded in the stock kernel |
| 08:12.00 | cahoot | loaded? enabled as modules? |
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| 08:12.19 | war9407 | mhymn: doing so now |
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| 08:12.24 | fredl | no actually *loaded*, see lsmod. |
| 08:12.24 | cahoot | not really the same thing |
| 08:13.00 | fredl | it's fine if every module in existance is compiled and supplied in the stock kernel image I think.... |
| 08:13.04 | cahoot | fredl: isn't all that dependent on your hw? |
| 08:13.29 | fredl | but I'm seeing SO many modules loaded, some of which I'm very certain that I don't even have the hardware for it. |
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| 08:14.32 | fredl | but you may be right..... |
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| 08:14.55 | fredl | some of the loaded modules I'm having 2nd thoughts about, perhaps I do need them after all. |
| 08:14.55 | Dr-Horrible | I am trying to remount partition rw but it doesn't work, the mount -o remount,rw / gives me the erro mount: / not mounted already or bad option |
| 08:15.29 | Dr-Horrible | I need to edit fstab to remove the option |
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| 08:15.41 | nevyn | fredl: ~$ /sbin/lsmod|wc -l |
| 08:15.42 | nevyn | 46 |
| 08:16.20 | fredl | and now I'm compiling the kvm git kernel with make-kpkg but apparently somebody in KVM in their infinite wisdom has decided to give the KVM kernel another name... |
| 08:16.27 | dustybin | oh dear |
| 08:16.29 | dustybin | /dev/hda3 4.0G 3.8G 0 100% /usr |
| 08:16.37 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.37 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.37 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.37 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.37 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.38 | fredl | linux-xenu-2.6.32-rc5_custom.1.0_amd64.deb |
| 08:16.55 | fredl | I mean COME ON, 'xenu' ? LOL |
| 08:17.11 | fredl | this is like, kvm git, right? not Xen git :P |
| 08:17.26 | ksnp | anyone use truecrypt or mcrypt here ? |
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| 08:18.03 | mhymn | ksnp: /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:18.04 | fredl | what's more annoying is that initramfs-tools does not seem to like that new kernel name and refuses to make an initrd image for it |
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| 08:18.09 | mhymn | !anyone |
| 08:18.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 08:18.38 | ddalton_ | hi im trying to compile a package and im including <linux/version.h> so how do I make it /usr/include/linux/version.h? eg. the compiler isnt finding the file. |
| 08:18.42 | fredl | nevyn - fredl@omega:/usr/src/kvm/debian$ lsmod|wc -l |
| 08:18.42 | fredl | 187 |
| 08:18.43 | dustybin | how can one view packages installed by size ? |
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| 08:18.55 | ddalton_ | so how do i make it find version.h without having to edit every single occurence of include linux/watever.h |
| 08:19.50 | fredl | ddalton, well you make sure the -I option is set properly right? |
| 08:20.05 | ddalton_ | oh -i hmm how do i use that? |
| 08:20.15 | fredl | no not -i, -I |
| 08:20.20 | dustybin | to save space, could i remove everything listed with: dpkg -l | grep dev ? |
| 08:20.38 | ddalton_ | oh right sorry |
| 08:20.46 | ddalton_ | ah its in the man page, thanks:) |
| 08:20.59 | fredl | yw |
| 08:21.19 | mhymn | dustybin: /msg dpkg sort by size |
| 08:21.36 | dustybin | aye thanks |
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| 08:23.06 | ddalton_ | just |
| 08:23.15 | ddalton_ | make -I /usr/include |
| 08:23.16 | ddalton_ | ? |
| 08:24.52 | fredl | ddalton -I is not a make option. |
| 08:25.06 | fredl | oh I guess it is... |
| 08:25.23 | ddalton_ | so how do i include the path /usr/include, so files saying |
| 08:25.31 | ddalton_ | #include <linux/version.h> |
| 08:25.41 | ddalton_ | find the file in /usr/include/linux/version.h? |
| 08:26.12 | fredl | well I think it's probably best to adjust the -I in your C options in the Makefile but it looks like make -I /usr/include might just work. |
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| 08:26.40 | fredl | hints ddalton_ that this may not be really a #debian question though :) |
| 08:27.06 | ddalton_ | fredl: sorry can we chat in pm? |
| 08:27.11 | fredl | either way, it's weekend and it's quiet anyway so what the heck :P |
| 08:27.21 | ddalton_ | yeh:) |
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| 08:27.46 | ddalton_ | so make -I <dir> didnt seem to work, what should the include thing in makefiel look like if the file specifies just linux/version.h? |
| 08:27.49 | fredl | nah, unless anybody complaints I guess it's okay. So did you try the make -I /usr/include? Actually I think that /usr/include gets searched regardless |
| 08:28.05 | fredl | do ls -l /usr/include/linux/version.h |
| 08:28.09 | ddalton_ | so how come it says stuff like |
| 08:28.47 | fredl | yes yes yes you don't need to paste it again :) |
| 08:28.57 | fredl | I believe you! I think you're having another problem than the compiler not being able to find /usr/include/linux/version.h :) |
| 08:28.59 | ddalton_ | lol i just mean it is looking in linux/version not the real path... so yeh |
| 08:29.12 | ddalton_ | hehe |
| 08:29.18 | ddalton_ | oh |
| 08:29.28 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:29.43 | fredl | it may be... uh broken? :) |
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| 08:30.05 | ddalton_ | nah it says /usr/include/linux directory |
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| 08:30.36 | fredl | hmm that makes me wonder about something in my own system.... |
| 08:30.52 | ddalton_ | oh |
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| 08:31.28 | fredl | hmm that's a linux-libc-dev file... |
| 08:31.32 | fredl | ok.. |
| 08:31.44 | fredl | anyway... |
| 08:31.58 | fredl | pastebin your make output for me |
| 08:32.24 | fredl | PASTEBIN, don't paste on channel :P |
| 08:32.32 | fredl | just sayin' :P |
| 08:33.31 | dustybin | how can one auto remove packages what are listed with: deborphan --guess-all |
| 08:33.46 | dustybin | ie. pass the contents into apt-get remove |
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| 08:34.25 | fredl | dustybin - uhh... for i in `deborphan --guess-all`; do aptitude remove $i; done ? |
| 08:34.34 | dustybin | ace :D |
| 08:34.50 | fredl | no that's just the thing, I'm a shell nitwit :P |
| 08:34.53 | ddalton_ | sorry will pastebin make |
| 08:35.25 | dustybin | fredl: seems to be working :D |
| 08:35.42 | fredl | well there ya go. |
| 08:35.46 | dustybin | for i in `deborphan --guess-all`; do aptitude remove $i; done <-- excellent way to clean your system :D |
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| 08:36.09 | fredl | doesn't apt-get autoremove do the same though? |
| 08:36.15 | dustybin | it didnt for me |
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| 08:37.05 | fredl | hmm strange. When I do deborphan --guess-all it lists a lot of removal candidates that are all hosed because of the dmtools fubar in Sid. |
| 08:37.20 | fredl | so I'm not going to try it out right now :P |
| 08:37.35 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 08:38.34 | ddalton_ | http://pastebin.com/f6187ef8b |
| 08:38.49 | ddalton_ | fredl: get that? sorry |
| 08:38.59 | gumpert345 | hi is there a way to install the mythtv 0.22 release candidate on lenny via repository or .deb file? |
| 08:39.59 | fredl | uhm ddalton... |
| 08:40.09 | fredl | ddalton, did you run autoconf? |
| 08:40.24 | mhymn | judd: versions mythtv |
| 08:40.25 | judd | mhymn: mythtv -- etch-multimedia: 0.21-0.11etch1 lenny-multimedia: 0.21.svn20080706-0.0 sid-multimedia: 0.21.svn20090824-0.3 squeeze-multimedia: 0.21.svn20090824-0.3 |
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| 08:40.43 | ddalton_ | no it didnt say to though |
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| 08:41.08 | mhymn | gumpert345: i guess no then. |
| 08:41.10 | fredl | do you have autoconf installed? |
| 08:41.19 | ddalton_ | yeh |
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| 08:42.09 | fredl | hmm. |
| 08:42.38 | fredl | so you're trying to recompile your kernel that you got with apt-get source kernelsomething right? |
| 08:42.48 | fredl | or am I interpreting that wrong? |
| 08:43.04 | gumpert345 | mhymn thats sad, thanks for the info though |
| 08:43.17 | danielig | hi all, what do I need to do to upgrade in a chroot environment. I have a rescue system with enough space to do things, but I might have done something bad, I just did apt-get dist-upgrade with the lenny sources from a broken etch(nhalf) system... |
| 08:43.22 | fredl | gumpert345, why is that sad??? |
| 08:43.28 | ddalton_ | fredl: no I'm blind and i'm trying to build the speakup kernel modules into my kernel |
| 08:43.36 | fredl | gumpert345, Lenny is **STABLE** |
| 08:43.56 | fredl | release candidates are not often considered 'stable' |
| 08:44.11 | ddalton_ | is it wat i was saying that it can't find the right file is that the issue? |
| 08:44.48 | fredl | ddalton, hmmm. not sure yet, trying to figure out what's wrong. |
| 08:45.17 | ddalton_ | fredl: thanks |
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| 08:47.29 | fredl | ddalton, where are the instructions that you're following? |
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| 08:47.48 | ddalton_ | um i have a installation file |
| 08:48.26 | fredl | ddalton, does it say in that installation file that 2.6.28 is supported? |
| 08:49.06 | fredl | hmmm |
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| 08:49.33 | fredl | ddalton, is there any reason that you're compiling the speakup modules yourself and not installing the debian package? |
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| 08:50.08 | ddalton_ | so i can work out how to do it on ubuntu because their package is broken |
| 08:50.26 | fredl | ddalton, ah ok... |
| 08:50.31 | ddalton_ | hmmm |
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| 08:50.52 | ddalton_ | if u install speakup-doc and look at /usr/share/doc/Istallation.gz thats the exact same file |
| 08:51.00 | ddalton_ | except i got mine from git |
| 08:51.00 | fredl | ddalton, would it perhaps make more sense to talk to people on #ubuntu then? |
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| 08:51.10 | nsadmin_ | should be on-topic here if you're trying this on debian in order to learn how |
| 08:51.23 | ddalton_ | aren't the distros practically the same when it comes to this sorta thing? |
| 08:51.42 | nsadmin_ | it gets further and further away all the time |
| 08:51.51 | fredl | nsadmin_ I agree, but he's also trying to compile from git it seems like... |
| 08:52.15 | nsadmin_ | wait, I'm here already? |
| 08:52.22 | ddalton_ | yeh |
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| 08:52.36 | fredl | yes you're here. |
| 08:52.37 | nsadmin_ | hmm, I'll look into that later |
| 08:52.53 | nsadmin_ | I just noticed nsadmin and nsadmin_ |
| 08:53.11 | ddalton_ | so any ideas on my best bet if the ubuntu package is broke and compiling won't work? |
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| 08:53.26 | ddalton_ | i guess i could try a debian mirror? |
| 08:53.49 | fredl | ddalton_ have you tried to simply aptitude source the Ubuntu source package and compile that? |
| 08:53.59 | mo2000 | re |
| 08:54.05 | nsadmin_ | people would be quite willing to help here if you were running debian... maybe they even are otherwise, but there's considerable resistance to that |
| 08:54.09 | fredl | ddalton_ may be worth a try... |
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| 08:55.40 | fredl | well 'resistance'... it's not like Debian isn't having it's own set of problems right now. |
| 08:55.57 | fredl | so it's not just a matter of feeling resistance. |
| 08:56.41 | nsadmin_ | that's true, but to go into the exact nature of that resistance here and now isn't the best way to handle it in my opinion |
| 08:56.53 | fredl | agreed. |
| 08:56.57 | fredl | ddalton_ have you tried to simply aptitude source the Ubuntu source package and compile that? |
| 08:57.04 | nsadmin_ | debian always has its set of problems, just like all other projects |
| 08:57.19 | ddalton_ | thanks |
| 08:57.36 | ddalton_ | im not sure if that would be the same as what i got from git though |
| 08:57.49 | nsadmin_ | what's it the git of? |
| 08:58.04 | nsadmin_ | wuts he gonna git? |
| 08:58.05 | fredl | ddalton, yes but you have to understand that git repositories are often very much in flux and can break at any time. |
| 08:58.24 | ddalton_ | speakup git um ok |
| 08:58.33 | ddalton_ | so debian one won't sompile against it i dont think |
| 08:58.35 | ddalton_ | oh wait |
| 08:59.08 | fredl | ddalton, the fact that your Installation.gz is the same doesn't mean a thing, in git those kinda files often get updated only afterwards when a release is near. |
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| 08:59.43 | nsadmin_ | just because it' |
| 08:59.53 | danielig | why does aptitude not have Super Cow Powers? |
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| 09:00.04 | nsadmin_ | s git shouldn't be a reason to fail to maintain the docs :P |
| 09:00.23 | ddalton_ | uh i dunno debian's version doesnt work maybe ill try compiling ubuntu's |
| 09:00.47 | nsadmin_ | version of what, btw? |
| 09:00.48 | fredl | nsadmin_ sure it is. Most people have no purpose in messing around with git repo's unless you checkout some stable branch at the very least. |
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| 09:01.28 | ddalton_ | well if this fails i think |
| 09:01.34 | fredl | I keep tripping over shit in git/svn/cvs repo's all the time, that's a fact of life. |
| 09:01.39 | nsadmin_ | fredl: well I guess maybe since the repo's in flux most of the committers know how to install it anyway |
| 09:01.49 | ddalton_ | ill go to kernel.org and then see what version others u |
| 09:01.51 | ddalton_ | use* |
| 09:01.54 | mhymn | danielig: kinda easter eggs you mean? aptitude -v moo |
| 09:02.25 | mhymn | danielig: -v -vv -vvv and ... |
| 09:02.59 | fredl | ddalton, that's not a wise choice, why don't you just aptitude source the pkg on your Ubuntu system first and try to build that. |
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| 09:03.43 | fredl | ddalton, that way, at least you know you get the source of the speakup modules that are *supposed* to be compiled with it |
| 09:03.48 | ddalton_ | fredl: in the same way - make -I /usr/include anyway i tried it with and without -I and it still fails grrr |
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| 09:04.47 | nsadmin_ | ddalton_: try CFLAGS="-I /usr/include" make |
| 09:04.56 | fredl | ddalton_ that, and you should just report this problem to Ubuntu. |
| 09:05.02 | woden | Greetings. I would like to know which virtual machine package to use, xen or kvm? |
| 09:05.17 | nsadmin_ | but the compiler should already understand /usr/include as a -I |
| 09:05.19 | fredl | nsadmin_ much to my own surprise, -I is actually an option to 'make' |
| 09:05.28 | fredl | woden - kvm |
| 09:05.32 | nsadmin_ | what's it for? |
| 09:05.54 | roberthl | Hi, do the linux-[modules|image]-2.6.26-2-xen-686 packages require a reboot once installed? |
| 09:06.01 | fredl | nsadmin_ well Specifies a directory dir to search for included makefiles. |
| 09:06.07 | nsadmin_ | ohh |
| 09:06.09 | woden | fredl, May I ask why? I am a new person to VM software. |
| 09:06.14 | fredl | I was a bit surprised myself to read that in the manual file. |
| 09:06.23 | nsadmin_ | so that wouldn't be for headers |
| 09:06.32 | nsadmin_ | that actually makes sense |
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| 09:07.13 | nsadmin_ | yeah, why not xen? |
| 09:07.24 | fredl | woden - because the KVM support is 'part of' the kernel. Xen is a layer on top of the kernel which IMO makes it much more difficult to maintain |
| 09:08.02 | mhymn | though xen is more mature afaik |
| 09:08.03 | nsadmin_ | it's definitely difficult in that area, mostly around getting versions of xen to work with versions of the kernel |
| 09:08.22 | danielig | I hate ubuntu! |
| 09:08.31 | woden | fredl, Yet, from what I have read, kvm is a java program maintained by sun microsystems, now purchased by oracle.......whereas xen is a free project from the get-go fully gpl |
| 09:08.34 | nsadmin_ | allrightey then! |
| 09:08.49 | fredl | kvm is a java program?!?! |
| 09:08.53 | fredl | ROTFL |
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| 09:09.00 | danielig | excuses his outburst... |
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| 09:09.29 | nsadmin_ | just open a window... the odor caused by the outburst will dissipate presently... |
| 09:09.42 | ddalton_ | hmmm, now it appears that i got errors with the kernel compilation... |
| 09:10.23 | ddalton_ | wat packages should i have cos i did a build-dep for the kernel |
| 09:10.27 | woden | fredl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvm "K virtual machine, a virtual machine for Java" |
| 09:10.41 | fredl | woden - kvm is not a java program. it is not maintained by sun nor oracle |
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| 09:10.54 | nsadmin_ | ddalton_ could you show the exact command you used for the build-dep? |
| 09:11.01 | woden | fredl, Then the wikipedia entry is either wrong or misleading or confusing? |
| 09:11.05 | fredl | in fact the devs appear to be mostly IBM personnel but that's a whole different issues |
| 09:11.15 | nsadmin_ | or maybe there's a different kvm |
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| 09:11.39 | ddalton_ | im pretty sure it was apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.28-16-generic |
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| 09:11.42 | fredl | well kvm != the K virtual machine. |
| 09:11.43 | HackeMate | hi |
| 09:11.49 | HackeMate | i wanted to install kde in testing |
| 09:11.54 | HackeMate | but it says that package is broken |
| 09:12.01 | fredl | how about clicking on that 'Kernel-based Virtual Machine' ? |
| 09:12.01 | woden | fredl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_virtual_machine: "The K virtual machine (KVM) is a virtual machine developed by Sun Microsystems, derived from the Java virtual machine specification." |
| 09:12.25 | fredl | comprehensive reading skills... *mumble* |
| 09:12.30 | HackeMate | is kdebase? |
| 09:13.27 | nsadmin_ | HackeMate: if you don't end up finding out here there might also be a #debian-kde |
| 09:13.30 | ddalton_ | ok thanks for ure help i give up ill contact the mailing list but thanks very much guys i think ive got closer:) |
| 09:13.34 | woden | freddy, You will please pardon me, and notice how the listing for the kvm wikipedia entry and also the first sentence in the actual kvm wikipedia page both mention JAVA. Please pardon any dumb-assery on my part. /bows |
| 09:13.42 | HackeMate | nsadmin: ok, sorry |
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| 09:14.12 | nsadmin_ | HackeMate: no need to be, I'm not trying to get you to leave at all. |
| 09:14.13 | fredl | woden - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine |
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| 09:14.43 | nsadmin_ | I'm just offering a possible source of info, that's all |
| 09:14.56 | HackeMate | nsadmin: ok :) - i didnt knew that channel |
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| 09:15.32 | fredl | woden - on top of that, if jfgi kvm' you will see on top of the search results 'KVM (for kernel-based Virtual Machine)', or http://linux-kvm.org |
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| 09:16.29 | woden | fredl, indeed, as usual, dumb-assery on my part. Pardon please. |
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| 09:16.42 | woden | and thank you as well. |
| 09:16.45 | fredl | yw |
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| 09:17.42 | fredl | woden: read this: http://blog.codemonkey.ws/2008/05/truth-about-kvm-and-xen.html |
| 09:18.23 | fredl | Anthony Liguori saying 'I'm think we can finally admit that we, the Linux community, made a very big mistake with Xen. Xen should have never been included in a Linux distribution.' |
| 09:19.10 | nsadmin_ | fredl: who's Liguori? |
| 09:19.50 | fredl | one of the virtualisation hackers at IBM |
| 09:20.02 | nsadmin_ | oh, did he come up with xen? |
| 09:20.06 | nsadmin_ | or help with it |
| 09:21.06 | fredl | did you read the article? |
| 09:21.48 | woden | fredl, not yet |
| 09:21.50 | fredl | he's not saying 'Xen is evil, Xen is bad' |
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| 09:21.58 | fredl | coz it's not. |
| 09:22.16 | fredl | in fact I think there's a lot of cooperation behind the screens between Xen and KVM hackers |
| 09:22.46 | fredl | he's saying it has been a mistake to include Xen in any of the Linux distro's |
| 09:23.56 | fredl | Xen is a *hypervisor* that runs above Linux. |
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| 09:24.12 | fredl | with KVM, Linux itself becomes the hypervisor. |
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| 09:25.25 | woden | fredl, That distinction, between a "hypervisor that runs above Linux" and "KVM, Linux itself becomes the hypervisor" really does not communicate to me much, since I am ignorant on the matter of such terms as hypervisors. |
| 09:25.27 | fredl | that may be good, or bad, whatever. It will eventually IMO make KVM much more easily maintainable |
| 09:25.33 | farri | I am trying to create a chroot environment in a shared host, but I can't run debootstrap because I am not root and fakechroot is not installed, who can suggest me some workaround? |
| 09:25.42 | yacyac | hey fredl |
| 09:25.44 | valdyn | woden: that article is silly |
| 09:25.45 | yacyac | whats up |
| 09:26.17 | fredl | hello yacyac, noticed you messaged me the other day after I had already left. |
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| 09:26.20 | woden | yacyac, I'm trying to figure out which to use, either xen or kvm. |
| 09:26.24 | valdyn | woden: and beside that debian is not a linux system in that linux the kernel is an essential part |
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| 09:26.51 | yacyac | fredl, still no luck with wifi.. and that day was a disaster |
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| 09:27.29 | fredl | yacyac - sorry to hear that, I had to go as I was starving, I asked somebody else to help you before I left. |
| 09:27.55 | fredl | valdyn - that's a meta discussion IMO. |
| 09:28.01 | yacyac | fredl, its alright.. we will fix it some other day.. maybe on some sunday |
| 09:28.17 | nsadmin_ | calling something a metadiscussion |
| 09:28.22 | nsadmin_ | is a metadiscussion |
| 09:28.34 | valdyn | fredl: so? |
| 09:29.17 | fredl | so nothing. |
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| 09:30.19 | woden | it is not like there are pressing discussions ongoing in this channel. |
| 09:30.30 | fredl | I just happen to agree with the article and there's already a groundswell of Xen -> KVM migration effort going on. |
| 09:30.34 | valdyn | woden: xen is probably more mature |
| 09:30.40 | valdyn | woden: i never used it though |
| 09:30.52 | fredl | hence the whole Redhat libvirt effort. |
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| 09:31.14 | nsadmin_ | woden a hypervisor (for virtualization) manages the collection of running OSes |
| 09:32.10 | fredl | Xen is a wonderfull project I think and I'd agree even that it's more mature. |
| 09:32.19 | valdyn | woden: xen is a specialised kernel that only is supposed to manage operating systems, while kvm is integrated into linux where linux becomes the manager of the operating systems |
| 09:32.48 | valdyn | woden: but thats quite irrelevant, youd use what works, because it works, not because its implemented a certain way |
| 09:33.47 | nsadmin_ | valdyn: it sounds like in both cases a kernel manages them |
| 09:34.09 | valdyn | nsadmin_: sure |
| 09:34.11 | jelly-home | farri: you may be able to build fakechroot from source? |
| 09:34.13 | nsadmin_ | is kvm easier to build? |
| 09:34.32 | valdyn | nsadmin_: you dont need to build it |
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| 09:34.41 | valdyn | nsadmin_: its just 3 kernel modules |
| 09:34.41 | nsadmin_ | I realize |
| 09:34.45 | farri | jelly-home: yes, I have all development thins needed, you mean I just download and compile locally? |
| 09:34.48 | nsadmin_ | oh ok |
| 09:34.53 | woden | valdyn, xen replaces the kernel? |
| 09:34.55 | nsadmin_ | and they're included, I suppose? |
| 09:35.01 | valdyn | woden: xen is a kernel yes |
| 09:35.12 | mjt | kvm modules are in upstream kernel and in debian kernels for quite some time |
| 09:35.17 | nsadmin_ | woden: organizationally, xen is... |
| 09:35.42 | nsadmin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.00 | fredl | Xen is also further in the innovation curve I think. I saw a vt-d'ed VGA card running MS Windows with native hardware drivers the other day |
| 09:36.07 | nsadmin_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.29 | nsadmin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.30 | mjt | patch? |
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| 09:36.39 | mjt | they run native windows without any patches |
| 09:36.53 | mjt | ditto for kvm |
| 09:36.57 | Arrowmaster | fredl: cant wait for that to be easy to setup |
| 09:37.00 | fredl | mjt - also vt-d? |
| 09:37.03 | mjt | sure |
| 09:37.14 | nsadmin_ | they do? why does xen have domU support? |
| 09:37.20 | fredl | mjt - thought that's a separate branch still. |
| 09:37.25 | valdyn | iirc xen gives near native speed without vt extensions on the cpu |
| 09:37.33 | valdyn | but thats probably irrelevant by now |
| 09:37.47 | nsadmin_ | since most cpus these days have them? |
| 09:37.56 | valdyn | yes |
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| 09:38.06 | fredl | woden - what valdyn says is quite relevant actually, KVM does not run on just any hardware. |
| 09:38.40 | nsadmin_ | or at least most core2-X-uos and amd64s |
| 09:38.41 | fredl | woden - nothing stops you from aptitude install'ing KVM and see if it works. |
| 09:38.50 | mjt | oww |
| 09:38.54 | mjt | don't do that ;) |
| 09:39.00 | mjt | kvm in debian is too old :) |
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| 09:39.10 | valdyn | mjt: oh please |
| 09:39.16 | fredl | well vt extensions on the CPU are quite common but BIOS support for vt-d is hard to find. |
| 09:39.22 | nsadmin_ | too old for what? |
| 09:39.25 | fredl | valdyn, he's right :) |
| 09:39.49 | mjt | i created my own debian packages, and am trying to push them to debian |
| 09:39.55 | mhymn | nsadmin_: kvm is under heavy development so ... |
| 09:39.57 | mjt | but the process is quite long |
| 09:40.02 | valdyn | mjt: umm? |
| 09:40.02 | nsadmin_ | with xen I can understand, I'm waiting for the features |
| 09:40.13 | mjt | mhymn: actually it's slowed down in last 6 months |
| 09:40.19 | mhymn | O_o |
| 09:40.33 | mjt | we've 2 fantastic stable releases |
| 09:40.36 | mhymn | hides |
| 09:41.23 | nsadmin_ | well the point I was making is kvm probably works well in its "old" form, this is similar to the argument for debian stable especially for servers |
| 09:41.26 | jony123 | anyone here know alot about tcp/ip protocol can such and can i ask them some questions regarding host names and such |
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| 09:41.44 | valdyn | sids kvm is from april |
| 09:41.47 | valdyn | thats not old |
| 09:41.56 | mjt | valdyn: also old unfortunately |
| 09:42.01 | mhymn | nsadmin_: right, but not for comparison probably |
| 09:42.09 | valdyn | mjt: by that statement no one should be using rhel |
| 09:42.16 | valdyn | mjt: or *any* stable software |
| 09:42.21 | mjt | nsadmin_: it doesn't work for modern windows for example |
| 09:42.35 | mjt | valdyn: all kvm-NN versions was nothing more than development snapshots |
| 09:42.37 | nsadmin_ | mhymn: if there are useful new features, or even essential new features, that's one thing |
| 09:42.47 | mhymn | yes |
| 09:42.59 | mjt | valdyn: first stable is qemu-kvm-0.10.0 that come after kvm-88 |
| 09:42.59 | nsadmin_ | which means for some people, current stable should be ok |
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| 09:43.32 | mjt | it has nothing to do with features really, but stablilty |
| 09:43.44 | mjt | and ability to run other guests |
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| 09:44.09 | nsadmin_ | the latter would come under features, I would think :) |
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| 09:44.43 | nsadmin_ | but stability is of course a good thing |
| 09:44.44 | woden | fredl, I think I like the idea of kvm rather, since it doesn't involve a replacement of the existing kernel. |
| 09:45.11 | mjt | note that almost all distros are ditching xen and taking kvm |
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| 09:45.25 | mjt | the reason is the lack of dom0 kernel |
| 09:45.47 | valdyn | woden: not to be nitpicking, but youre putting a point in the way of xen that you dont even understand, and that is only an implementation detail |
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| 09:46.24 | valdyn | debian will probably have both in the forseeable future |
| 09:46.26 | mjt | valdyn: it's not a small detail really |
| 09:46.45 | ksnp | can anyone suggest how to install a supposedly .tar.gz ubuntu - x86.deb file with the note "When you run the executable setup file, you will have the option to extract the .deb or .rpm package embedded in the executable setup file." |
| 09:46.56 | valdyn | mjt: its an implementation thing, not a "xen works slow or bad because..." thing |
| 09:46.58 | ksnp | i did tar xvf *.tar.gz |
| 09:47.02 | woden | valdyn, as I understand, to use xen, one must discard the kernel currently in use and replace it with a new "xen kernel". Is this correct or not? |
| 09:47.04 | ksnp | but the resulting file is not .deb |
| 09:47.15 | valdyn | woden: yea |
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| 09:47.33 | valdyn | woden: something like aptitude install linux-image-foo-xen-bar |
| 09:47.43 | mjt | valdyn: it's not small detal as long as there's no dom0 support in upstream kernel |
| 09:47.43 | woden | valdyn, whereas, with kvm, one may continue using the currently in use kernel. |
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| 09:48.28 | mjt | valdyn: if i were able to pick any kernel of my choice (that has dom0 support), that'd be small detail. Now I can't choose anthing but 2.6.18. All the further hack are just that - hacks. |
| 09:48.45 | mjt | with corresponding stability |
| 09:48.55 | Terr1 | (debian) How do you configure "screen standby" mode in console? after some time of idle my screen changes to black? |
| 09:49.22 | mjt | setvesablank? |
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| 09:49.48 | Terr1 | mjt, k thx will check it |
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| 09:55.24 | ksnp | any truecrypt users here ? |
| 09:55.38 | flower | what is wrong in this /etc/hosts? |
| 09:55.39 | flower | http://pastebin.com/m7fe0f431 |
| 09:55.43 | flower | two entries? |
| 09:55.54 | flower | laptop.lan laptop.lan? |
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| 09:56.19 | ksnp | any dmcrypt users here ? |
| 09:56.48 | ksnp | i am trying to use truecrypt on debian and was unable to figure how to configure |
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| 09:57.45 | mjt | flower: nothing wrong. extra laptop.lan does not hurt. it isn't used so can be removed if not only for cleanless and readability. but it does not hurt |
| 09:58.12 | flower | ok |
| 09:58.43 | nsadmin_ | flower: is somethign wrong in how something operates? reason I'm asking is I'm wondering the reason you're asking |
| 09:59.21 | flower | nsadmin_: yes, there is something wrong, but its on my friends ubuntu |
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| 09:59.46 | nsadmin_ | hmm, ok. |
| 09:59.53 | flower | sudo unable to resolve host |
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| 10:00.10 | valdyn | flower: thats not nice but its not directly a problem |
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| 10:00.14 | fredl | so configure your resolving already. |
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| 10:00.34 | flower | fredl: how? |
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| 10:00.40 | nsadmin_ | flower: thanks for being honest about that. |
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| 10:00.53 | mjt | sudo does not resolve host |
| 10:01.04 | fredl | flower - man -k resolver |
| 10:01.15 | fredl | mjt - it does |
| 10:01.30 | fredl | well it tries to but if it can't it's not a showstopper. |
| 10:01.31 | mjt | for what? |
| 10:01.43 | mjt | and which host it resolves? |
| 10:01.50 | mjt | curious :) |
| 10:02.01 | woden | valdyn, whereas, with kvm, one may continue using the currently in use kernel? |
| 10:02.07 | valdyn | woden: yea |
| 10:02.10 | fredl | the host you're trying to sudo on, the sudoers file checks if you're allowed to do sudo on the host you're on I think. |
| 10:02.23 | fredl | personally I've always found that to be uhm.. debatable |
| 10:02.32 | mjt | confusing |
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| 10:03.28 | fredl | well if it's good for anything it is for people to start thinking aboout 'what is resolving? how do I do it right?' :) |
| 10:03.49 | fredl | naming services are not unimportant. |
| 10:05.12 | fredl | and the sshd also tries to resolve your IP :P |
| 10:05.19 | mjt | that's for sure |
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| 10:06.46 | fredl | I'm wondering if I shall setup a central naming service. |
| 10:06.51 | fredl | just because I can. |
| 10:07.16 | mjt | nscd? |
| 10:07.24 | nsadmin_ | I do, which runs the naming of machines on my internal net |
| 10:07.32 | fredl | I mean I have a caching DNS but that's not much, I could cram everything into a slapd, or perhaps even into mysql :) |
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| 10:07.58 | nsadmin_ | why do people always want to use mysql for this? |
| 10:08.02 | fredl | yeah nscd is good for the client side |
| 10:08.07 | nsadmin_ | s.for this.. |
| 10:08.17 | fredl | I dunno what can I tell you nsadmin, I like myself. |
| 10:08.33 | fredl | I'll probably get a slew of postgres fans falling all over me for saying that... |
| 10:08.45 | fredl | I just do :) |
| 10:08.54 | mjt | to make all machines dependent on each other, so once one is down everything else is down... i think ;) |
| 10:09.03 | fredl | emacs is probably also better than vim... |
| 10:09.16 | fredl | I just used vim much much earlier than emacs. |
| 10:09.33 | mjt | religious wars |
| 10:09.34 | fredl | mjt - well that does keep you on your toes to keep the one server up and running right? :) |
| 10:09.39 | nsadmin_ | I think emacs is good, can't comment on vim since I don't know it |
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| 10:10.36 | fredl | setting up naming services for a home network really doesn't gain you anything |
| 10:10.36 | Helmi | does anyone know what could be the reason for chattr -i not working? +i seems to be set but can't be unset from root? |
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| 10:11.47 | mjt | i've about 500 servers here to be up-n-running 24x7. That's why I know how important to make them as much self-contained as possible.... Probs with power, with wires, with ISPs, with modems, with cats or whatnot, -- it's better to have them in working condition to let people to do their work than to make excuses about cut wires. |
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| 10:15.22 | danielig | so.. |
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| 10:16.43 | negge | I just installed Squeeze and the Nvidia drivers (the Nvidia way), but I cannot run glxgears, I'm getting "Error: glXCreateContext failed". I googled a bit about it but couldn't find any appropriate information. Can somebody help me out a bit? |
| 10:16.54 | fredl | well there is definitely an 'optimum' somewhere between no centralisation at all and complete centralisation. |
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| 10:17.02 | fredl | hasn't found the optimum yet |
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| 10:19.57 | LuciusMare | I want grub to load the menu.lst from partition,whose location is given by label.How do i do that?I use grub legacy. |
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| 10:20.53 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: i would use the uuid instead |
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| 10:21.38 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: hm,okay,but i think that it is the same way? |
| 10:21.51 | LuciusMare | like,just instead of labels,i put there UUID... |
| 10:21.57 | LuciusMare | but i have no idea how to do that |
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| 10:23.01 | jetscreamer | in what |
| 10:23.03 | binrapt | Is acute bronchitis during an influenza infection usually caused by the same virus or a secondary viral or bacterial infection? |
| 10:23.27 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: look in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ for the uuid of the partition that you want |
| 10:23.33 | binrapt | Woops sorry wrong channel |
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| 10:23.45 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: i got the uuid,now what? |
| 10:24.14 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: in /boot/grub/menu.lst... |
| 10:24.21 | Trewas | binrapt: use debian and you won't get viruses! :) |
| 10:24.22 | dgeary2 | instead of root ... |
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| 10:24.33 | dgeary2 | put uuid and then the uuid |
| 10:24.52 | jetscreamer | that's confusing |
| 10:25.00 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: eg: uuid 77a0b42c-79ca-4b59-80fa-139b6ffef0b3 |
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| 10:25.14 | binrapt | Trewas: I'm running 39.3 deg C, I suffer from acute bronchitis, I can't sleep for more than 3-4 hours in one go without waking up from being unable to breathe due to excessive amounts of inflamed mucus blocking the bronchial tubes. I am miserable :( your joke did not amuse me |
| 10:25.19 | LuciusMare | i have the problem,that it drops me to grub shell instead of grub menu. |
| 10:25.19 | jetscreamer | it's where root= |
| 10:25.25 | jetscreamer | in the kernel line |
| 10:25.31 | binrapt | It's probably why it ended up in the wrong channel in the first place |
| 10:25.43 | Trewas | binrapt: ouch :( |
| 10:25.48 | jetscreamer | you want root=UUID=uuid# |
| 10:26.02 | jetscreamer | instead of root=/dev/sda1 for instance |
| 10:26.07 | LuciusMare | whatever,but the grub does not seem to load the menu |
| 10:26.24 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 10:26.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 10:26.26 | dgeary2 | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 10:26.28 | LuciusMare | when i try to boot from that,instead of seeing the menu,i see the grub shell |
| 10:26.37 | jetscreamer | paste your menu.lst |
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| 10:26.49 | LuciusMare | man |
| 10:27.08 | LuciusMare | i do not think it even loads,or access the menu.lst |
| 10:27.12 | LuciusMare | but okay |
| 10:27.58 | LuciusMare | http://debian.pastebin.com/m44bb4a71 |
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| 10:28.58 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: how many operating systems are installed on the machine? |
| 10:29.04 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: one |
| 10:29.12 | LuciusMare | wait-machine |
| 10:29.21 | LuciusMare | i am installing on an external hdd |
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| 10:29.33 | LuciusMare | and i will travel with it,that is why the labels |
| 10:29.39 | LuciusMare | i installed with this tutorial |
| 10:29.50 | LuciusMare | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html |
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| 10:30.18 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: is there an internal hard disk in the machine? |
| 10:30.38 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: yes |
| 10:31.33 | jetscreamer | kopt=root=UUID=e56ffbde-0944-4e92-bc2d-6d89d24e544a ro kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.3 root=UUID=e56ffbde-0944-4e92-bc2d-6d89d24e544a ro |
| 10:31.39 | jetscreamer | those two lines |
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| 10:31.55 | jetscreamer | change the actual number eh. also you'llwant to edit fstab |
| 10:32.08 | jetscreamer | but if it's only 1 os why is it on sdb |
| 10:32.17 | jetscreamer | o |
| 10:32.25 | LuciusMare | people |
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| 10:32.41 | LuciusMare | i assumed that the drop to shell,not the menu is caused by not loading the menu.lst |
| 10:32.47 | LuciusMare | and you keep telling me to edit the menu.lst |
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| 10:33.03 | jetscreamer | i came in late, sorry |
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| 10:33.17 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: i think you are correct... |
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| 10:34.34 | woden | So, um, *scratches head*, what is "para" virtualization? |
| 10:34.42 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: i think i installed grub wrong |
| 10:34.53 | LuciusMare | and that gets me to the first question |
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| 10:35.12 | LuciusMare | how do i tell it to load menu.lst from partition given by label(or UUID...) |
| 10:35.12 | mjt | woden: it's basically when we modify guest so it knows it's running not on a real machine |
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| 10:36.31 | LuciusMare | please |
| 10:36.34 | LuciusMare | it is important to me |
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| 10:37.49 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: i'm not sure how to do it, but i think that grub is installed on the internal hard disk whereas the menu.lst is stored on the external |
| 10:38.11 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: perhaps installing grub to the external hard disk? |
| 10:38.11 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 10:40.22 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: it is installed on the external hard drive |
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| 10:40.28 | LuciusMare | otherwise i wouldnt even get the shell |
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| 10:44.44 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: ah, so you booted off the external hard drive? |
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| 10:47.12 | ksnp | anyone familiar with truecrypt here ? |
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| 10:51.28 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: yes |
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| 10:53.12 | Dan-brb-cup-o-t | hello .. just a qq. I'm running a Debian estate on xenserver. I don't need gdm or vnc or anything graphical // just cli |
| 10:53.13 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: okay, so then where does grub think menu.lst is? |
| 10:53.42 | LuciusMare | dgeary2: no ida |
| 10:53.43 | Dan-brb-cup-o-t | how can I stop all the non cli crap loading ... run a a different level? |
| 10:53.44 | LuciusMare | *no idea |
| 10:53.48 | dgeary2 | LuciusMare: i don't know how to find that out, but it'd be interesting to know |
| 10:53.56 | LuciusMare | all i know that it gets me to the shell |
| 10:54.01 | LuciusMare | instead of the menu |
| 10:54.07 | dgeary2 | Dan-brb-cup-o-t: not install it? |
| 10:55.29 | Dan-brb-cup-o-t | ? |
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| 10:56.33 | dgeary2 | dannyboy1121x: do you want to keep the gui stuff? |
| 10:56.52 | azeem | w10 |
| 10:56.53 | azeem | oops |
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| 11:00.29 | ksnp | anyone familiar with truecrypt here ? |
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| 11:01.52 | roberthl | ksnp: yes |
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| 11:04.52 | ksnp | roberthl, can you tell me how to create an ext3 volume ? |
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| 11:05.02 | mjt | is there a way to use extra mouse buttons in X in lenny? I've a wheel that has extra left and right "buttons" (used for horizontal scrolling and the like) but that stuff does not work with (default) lenny's "mouse" driver |
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| 11:05.08 | ksnp | i chose option 2 [none] on the menu |
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| 11:06.25 | roberthl | i don't have truecrypt to hand |
| 11:06.30 | roberthl | they should have there own irc channel |
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| 11:07.10 | dannyboy1121x | sry .. was afk (kids) ... happy to trash all the gui stuff dg |
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| 11:08.50 | ksnp | roberthl, i could not find any |
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| 11:10.19 | dannyboy1121x | I was wondering if I changed the run level at startup whether I could avoid loading up all the gnome bits and vnc etc |
| 11:10.51 | LuciusMare | I want grub to load the menu.lst from partition,whose location is given by label.How do i do that?I use grub legacy. |
| 11:11.21 | danielig | how can I see which the actual boot loader is? |
| 11:11.36 | danielig | s/actual/active/ |
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| 11:20.37 | Thms_ | I have an EXT3 HDD that I try to read under windows using IFS, the problem is that wiondows recognize it as NTFS (it had NTFS on it before), how can I make windows understand that i(s not NTFS ? |
| 11:21.21 | iceroot | Thms_: use the correct ext3 driver, also see ##windows |
| 11:22.12 | xyan | Thms_: the partition type is most like set to 0x07 (ntfs) instead of 0x83 |
| 11:22.13 | joltcan | Thms_: sounds like it has the wrong partition type set, that you can change with cfdisk or equal |
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| 11:22.26 | xyan | likely* |
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| 11:24.47 | P3t3 | does anyone know any devices that are easy to use and substitute a touchscreen i.e. you can use them to draw on the screen |
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| 11:27.03 | thrashold | P3t3: Hm, how about a touchscreen monitor? |
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| 11:28.15 | P3t3 | is it very expensive? I am using a laptop so don't want something huge - I mean if I had space I would use a PC :D |
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| 11:29.09 | remyo | I'm downloading Debain for the first time. I'm on the site, trying to download the iso. Which one do I need? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:29.35 | remyo | Theres a lot :| |
| 11:29.35 | P3t3 | thrashold I am an engineer so need to write on the computer - the main reason I want a touchscreen - need to correct mistakes and solve problems which I can then send |
| 11:29.40 | thrashold | P3t3: A trip to Google Products would answer you that question. Oh, and I would guess you actually want a tablet, not a touchscreen thing. |
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| 11:30.02 | patrikf | remyo: if the computer you want to install on has a good internet connection, go for the netinst |
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| 11:31.10 | remyo | patrikf: Sweet thanks |
| 11:31.13 | P3t3 | thrashold is a tablet easy to use? I mean if you can't see where the current cursor is - I don't want to be messing about |
| 11:31.18 | remyo | patrikf: I'm just trying to get an image for virtual box |
| 11:33.45 | remyo | I work on a server with Debian but all I really do is ssh it from os x. I thought I might try the real deal and see how I like it |
| 11:33.53 | thrashold | P3t3: I used a tablet once as far as getting it work in Debian and GIMP. Will actually use one when I buy one. :) You know how you're going to use it, so you probably know better. Better try both before buying anything. A touchscreen would be as bad as a mouse for art. For engineering drawings -- I have no idea. |
| 11:34.05 | sladi | remyo: netinst has only the most basic software and will work in virtualbox. Businesscard is even smaller and needs to download everything when installing it. If you install Lenny stable it doesn't matter. The bigger images might have lots of packages on them which you don't need laer. |
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| 11:34.59 | remyo | sladi: Thanks, yeah. I'll just do the standard netinst and go from there. |
| 11:35.49 | remyo | Is it suppose to only be 149mb ? |
| 11:35.57 | sladi | remyo: yw :) |
| 11:36.24 | sladi | remyo: yes, onli CLI tools in there, businesscard doesn't even have the kernel I think. |
| 11:36.37 | P3t3 | thrashold 10x mate |
| 11:37.11 | remyo | sladi: So I'll probably be doing a lot of configuring. Whats the best place to start as far as docs and tutorials and things |
| 11:37.40 | JPT | how can cli tools be useful without a running kernel? Oo |
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| 11:38.34 | sladi | remyo: type debian administration in google, but most thing should just work. jpt: it downloads everything at setup. |
| 11:38.35 | thrashold | You can't do anything useful without a kernel |
| 11:38.42 | thrashold | s/useful// |
| 11:39.06 | JPT | >.< |
| 11:39.10 | remyo | sladi: Awesome. Thanks so much. |
| 11:39.21 | abrotman | !tell remyo about doc |
| 11:39.23 | JPT | even the setup needs the kernel |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | !tell remyo about grounding |
| 11:39.56 | thrashold | How do I ask dpkg to tell *me* about something? Without doing something like |
| 11:40.01 | thrashold | !tell thrashold about grounding |
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| 11:40.20 | abrotman | thrashold: /msg dpkg foo |
| 11:40.30 | remyo | Gotta love irc bots :) |
| 11:41.03 | abrotman | i'm not a bot |
| 11:41.11 | dannyboy1121x | exit |
| 11:41.22 | thrashold | abrotman: I think (s)he just told me that :) Thanks |
| 11:41.22 | remyo | But dpkg is right? |
| 11:41.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:41.40 | remyo | Thats who I was talking about |
| 11:41.55 | abrotman | sure .. that's what you say now ... |
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| 11:42.30 | remyo | Maybe you'll be a bot one day. And the things I say will apply to you |
| 11:42.37 | remyo | ;) |
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| 11:52.04 | fender0107401 | who familiar with gnu indent? how to specify the amount of space between "struct" and "structname"? |
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| 11:55.44 | p3rror | there are anyone who use htop |
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| 11:57.37 | Frz | ok, here's the problem |
| 11:57.42 | Frz | gnome is lagging badly |
| 11:57.54 | Frz | and im running it on a core 2 duo 2.0 |
| 11:58.07 | Frz | with 3gb of ddr3 ram |
| 11:58.18 | Frz | what could be causing this? |
| 11:59.01 | Frz | debian should be a lot lighter than windows , thus a lot faster?no ? |
| 11:59.22 | abrotman | !enter |
| 11:59.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:59.31 | Frz | could it be caused by running debian stable, as in an old version of xorg-serveR? |
| 11:59.55 | Frz | well, sorry about abrotman |
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| 12:00.04 | Frz | about that* |
| 12:00.08 | abrotman | Frz: it's lagging when doing what? have you checked top to see if something is eating all your CPU? is all your RAM gone? disk thrashing? |
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| 12:01.16 | Frz | abrotman: using firefox, maximize or minimize a window |
| 12:01.50 | abrotman | Frz: and if you kill iceweasel? |
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| 12:03.56 | Frz | abrotman : seems to be iceweasel thats lagging the most |
| 12:04.18 | abrotman | Frz: which flash are you using? adobe flash? gnash? swf-dec ? |
| 12:04.22 | Frz | yet the system in general is slow if i compare it to windows xp |
| 12:04.29 | Frz | adobe flash |
| 12:04.47 | JPT | check dmesg |
| 12:04.57 | JPT | maybe some hardware things are taking cpu |
| 12:05.09 | Zambezi | Is irssi-plugin-otr suppose to work with Bitlbee? I guess so, but no sucess so far. And in the otr.key network says IRC. |
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| 12:05.43 | abrotman | Frz: you have the newest flash? is this i386 or amd64 ? |
| 12:05.52 | maligor | Frz, heh, using compiz? |
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| 12:06.09 | maligor | all of the opengl compositors are slow resize |
| 12:06.24 | Frz | Linux debian 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:57:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:07.08 | Frz | maligor : no, tried it -- made debian lag even more. |
| 12:07.20 | Frz | using metacity atm |
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| 12:07.38 | maligor | Frz, and are you using accelerated graphics drivers? |
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| 12:08.35 | maligor | especially new cards would be mostly unaccelerated (nvidia/amd cards) |
| 12:08.46 | Frz | maligor : gma x4500 |
| 12:08.49 | Frz | using intel drivers |
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| 12:10.04 | flower | a friend of mine (sorry he uses ubuntu) has internet but can't use firefox and sudo give unable to resolve host... |
| 12:10.18 | flower | nameserver 192.168.2.1 is in his /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:10.25 | abrotman | flower: you want to ask #ubuntu |
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| 12:10.36 | maligor | Frz, very odd issue for intel drivers, all I've heard is that they had fine 2d acceleration |
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| 12:11.05 | abrotman | Frz: if you remove flash, does the issue go away ? |
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| 12:11.18 | Frz | maligor : ip tables cant cause such a thing ,right? |
| 12:11.25 | Youpi | How to change the partition type from NTFS to EXt3 as my EXT3 HDD is recognized as NTFS ? |
| 12:11.25 | maligor | no, it can't |
| 12:11.27 | Frz | abrotman : i'll give it a try |
| 12:11.39 | maligor | certainly not on a multicore modern cpu |
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| 12:12.22 | abrotman | Youpi: why are you asking #debian ? |
| 12:12.27 | Frz | maligor : think i should give kde a try? |
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| 12:12.36 | abrotman | Frz: i'd try getting rid of flash first |
| 12:13.27 | Youpi | abrotman: why not |
| 12:13.53 | abrotman | Youpi: are you in Debian right now? |
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| 12:14.45 | maligor | Frz, you can always try, can't imagine why it would be any different, metacity should be fine |
| 12:14.55 | Youpi | abrotman: yes |
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| 12:15.18 | maligor | personally I don't use iceweasel (or firefox) anymore because they're just sticky and annoying |
| 12:15.24 | abrotman | Youpi: what is the device ? |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | maligor: the alternatives aren't much better lately ... |
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| 12:15.57 | maligor | abrotman, chromium is fantastic :P |
| 12:16.03 | abrotman | not in debian |
| 12:16.08 | Youpi | abrotman: a Samsung 500gb HDD, gparted recognize my EXT3 paritition but fdisk says theres not any partition |
| 12:16.14 | maligor | true |
| 12:16.19 | abrotman | i meant which device .. /dev/sda ? |
| 12:16.27 | Youpi | abrotman: /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:17.18 | abrotman | Youpi: so as root 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' .. nothing ? |
| 12:17.42 | Youpi | abrotman: http://pastie.org/667882 |
| 12:18.07 | Youpi | abrotman: the disk is full of data and when I can mount it as EXT3 it works |
| 12:18.21 | abrotman | Youpi: but there's no partition table ? |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | Youpi: so as root 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' .. nothing ? |
| 12:18.50 | abrotman | not sdb1 |
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| 12:20.20 | Youpi | abrotman: /dev/sdb1 1 60801 488384001 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 12:20.33 | abrotman | doesn't sound like ext3 ... |
| 12:22.17 | Youpi | abrotman: mount -t ext /dev/sdb1 /media/disk works |
| 12:22.46 | abrotman | the partition table thinks it is ntfs .. |
| 12:22.56 | abrotman | can you backup that data somewhere? |
| 12:23.16 | abrotman | if you do -t auto .. does it work ? |
| 12:23.35 | Youpi | abrotman: yes |
| 12:23.44 | Youpi | abrotman: and I can't really backup the data somewhere |
| 12:25.23 | Youpi | abrotman: I just rewrote the partition table with fdisk, now fdisk -l /dev/sdb doesnt show me anything anymore but I can still mount and read it as EXT3 |
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| 12:25.53 | abrotman | i really wouldn't be mcuking with the partitin table if you don't have that data somewhere else |
| 12:26.22 | Youpi | abrotman: ha, now it does, but still show as NTFS |
| 12:26.37 | Youpi | abrotman: Ive a backup somewhere but I don't really have the time to copy it again, but I can risk loosing data |
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| 12:28.04 | riot | hi, i need a mass mailer: something i can pipe with a rather small (30-50 participants) list of mail-addresses + some special text for each address. Is there something ready available? |
| 12:28.28 | abrotman | Youpi: are you writing the partition table changes ? |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | riot: is the list going to change a lot ? |
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| 12:29.38 | Youpi | abrotman: I just changed the partition tuype with sfdisk, seems to work |
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| 12:29.40 | riot | abrotman: hmno, i just need to fire out one or two mails with a confirmation request for ordering $items |
| 12:29.53 | riot | to said 30-50 recipients |
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| 12:30.16 | woden | Hello. |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | riot: but just once or twice? i'd probably just type it out |
| 12:30.31 | riot | i can prepare a csv or something with the addresses first and the specified text |
| 12:30.33 | abrotman | the list of addresses i mean |
| 12:30.48 | abrotman | riot: you could do the mailing with a bash script |
| 12:30.50 | riot | yeah, i'm gonna copy over the addresses from our wiki |
| 12:31.15 | riot | abrotman: well, i have some piece of python scriptage.. if there is nothing else available i could adapt that beast.. |
| 12:31.36 | riot | probably my request is so special, i suppose thats the best i could do :/ |
| 12:31.45 | abrotman | if you have the email addresses in a file, and the email to go out in a file .. should be pretty easy |
| 12:31.54 | riot | yeah, i guess so |
| 12:32.06 | riot | the thing i have uses some template engine - its a bit weird but should work |
| 12:32.21 | abrotman | riot: just seems like setting up something mailman, etc is probably more hassle than benefit |
| 12:32.55 | riot | hmhm, i _have_ mailman set up anyway, but i don't really see the possibility to send dynamic messages to each recipient |
| 12:32.56 | abrotman | and if you're not going to use it like an actual mailing list, seems to be even less point |
| 12:32.59 | riot | yeah |
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| 12:33.10 | riot | okay.. i'll adapt my python stuff |
| 12:33.18 | riot | shouldn't be too much work |
| 12:33.32 | riot | heck, i might even make a OSS project out of it. |
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| 12:50.31 | FreakGuard | gem install rake => bash: rake: command not found # is this yet another debian patch? |
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| 12:51.18 | abrotman | FreakGuard: aptitude install rake ? |
| 12:51.41 | FreakGuard | abrotman, I suspect this version is too old. |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | version of what? |
| 12:51.54 | abrotman | judd: versions rake |
| 12:51.54 | judd | abrotman: rake -- etch: 0.7.1-1 lenny: 0.8.1-3 sid: 0.8.1-3 lenny-backports: 0.8.7-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.7-1 squeeze: 0.8.7-1 |
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| 12:53.27 | FreakGuard | where are the gems in debian? |
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| 12:56.11 | FreakGuard | wtf? /var/lib/gems well......... |
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| 13:09.17 | bsulzer | hi ev'rybody. i have fried my X. when i type xdm, no error messages are printed. how can i fix that? |
| 13:10.08 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:11.43 | bsulzer | abrotman: thx a lot |
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| 13:13.43 | tosh| | hi all, I need an easy app that will report abnormal cpu/memory/processes/diskspace consumption to me by emailing me a warning. I don't want to set up a whole nagios setup, so do any of you know of a tool that might do this? |
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| 13:19.47 | P3t3 | I have Debian stable but it is full of bugs. So what's the advantage of stable over testing? |
| 13:19.53 | P3t3 | should I switch to testing? |
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| 13:20.15 | rudi_s | P3t3: File bugs. |
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| 13:20.47 | rudi_s | !bts |
| 13:20.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 13:20.51 | rudi_s | P3t3: ^ |
| 13:20.58 | Helmi | hey - can anyone imagine why chattr -i filename wouldn't remove the immutable bit on a file? |
| 13:21.02 | stew | P3t3: no, you shouldn't switch to testing. the advantage of stable over testing is that, uhh, it is stable meaning it doesn't change frequently. testing changes 4 times a day and tends to have more bugs |
| 13:21.15 | stew | P3t3: can you give us examples of some of the bugs you are seeing? |
| 13:21.56 | P3t3 | stew I am using a laptop - if I unplug the cable and run on battery screen goes blank |
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| 13:22.20 | P3t3 | stew I can't say laptop freezes - it might be working but not producing screen output |
| 13:22.55 | P3t3 | stew - can't change date and time from the GUI (it asks for root pass and I supply it) |
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| 13:23.55 | stew | P3t3: when you change the date, does it never change? or does it change but then change back once you reboot? |
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| 13:24.20 | P3t3 | stew I think they fixed it but while ago in stable I couldn't power down properly if I had been running for more than a few hours |
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| 13:24.30 | Helmi | stew: i think it was you who helped with with lsattr/chattr (immutable bit) this morning. do you probably have an idea why i cannot remove the i from some files? they belong to a user and i tried it with the user and with root. no success :( |
| 13:24.30 | P3t3 | stew when the date window pops up |
| 13:24.58 | P3t3 | stew I try to change it to something but it reverts immediately |
| 13:25.06 | P3t3 | before I've closed the window |
| 13:25.19 | P3t3 | I have a video somewhere |
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| 13:25.41 | stew | P3t3: what program are you trying to use to change the date? |
| 13:25.49 | P3t3 | I run gnome |
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| 13:25.57 | P3t3 | and so I use gnome |
| 13:26.03 | luislobo | hi all, don't know if this is the right place to ask, but... i've been able to setup lirc with irmate 210 (lirc_sir module) and the receptor flashes when I point a remote and push a button, but irw command doesn't give any output... can anyone help ? |
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| 13:26.25 | P3t3 | the date is displayed on the panel and i just do adjust date and time with the RMB |
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| 13:28.00 | stew | P3t3: when i right click on the clock applet I don't see a way to change the date, are you using some different applet? |
| 13:28.22 | P3t3 | also (this is less of an issue but still) when I use the volume controls on my laptop to increase the volume sometimes the volume decreases instead, sometimes only one speaker is used (until I press the volume controls again) |
| 13:29.39 | P3t3 | stew - clock 2.20.3 RMB -> adjust date and time -> granting rights because you need to be root |
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| 13:29.57 | stew | yeah, i don't see that |
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| 13:30.03 | stew | but... |
| 13:30.07 | stew | !dbugs 533025 |
| 13:30.13 | dpkg | #533025:I[gnome-panel] clock applet does not allow changing system time (); Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:09:01 UTC [] |
| 13:30.24 | P3t3 | OK |
| 13:30.24 | stew | looks like that is a known issue (that isn't fixed in testing) |
| 13:30.40 | P3t3 | still the power cable is really annoying |
| 13:30.46 | themill | it's also hardly the sort of bug that would drive you to upgrade to testing |
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| 13:30.52 | P3t3 | I have to kill x everytime I go on batery |
| 13:31.11 | stew | P3t3: do you need help changing the date using some other method? |
| 13:31.16 | P3t3 | no |
| 13:31.28 | P3t3 | I can do it via the CL |
| 13:31.42 | stew | < ~P3t3> stew I can't say laptop freezes - it might be working but not producing screen output |
| 13:31.52 | stew | but now you say you kill x. so it definately doesn't freeze? |
| 13:31.58 | P3t3 | yeah |
| 13:32.15 | stew | P3t3: if you switch to a vt and back does the screen come back on? |
| 13:32.16 | P3t3 | the screen goes blank but I can do ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 13:32.29 | P3t3 | haven't tried |
| 13:33.08 | stew | hmm, where does acpi log? |
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| 13:34.04 | mjt | acpi, as name suggests, is an interface. it does not log |
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| 13:36.02 | themill | P3t3: are you using gnome-power-manager? See if it has some settings for how the screen should be dimmed/blanked when on battery power |
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| 13:37.44 | P3t3 | themill I don't think that's the problem |
| 13:37.50 | P3t3 | it says when idle |
| 13:37.58 | P3t3 | or not used for X minutes |
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| 13:40.12 | Peanut | Hi - I've got a Debian Lenny with an usbaudio device as the only audio device. Works perctly on my Ubuntu 9.04 at home, but Volume Control on Lenny won't recognise it (No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found). |
| 13:40.16 | Peanut | Any hints? |
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| 13:46.37 | d1b | BadB0y: wtf? |
| 13:46.52 | denny | d1b: what's up? |
| 13:47.01 | d1b | denny: not much. |
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| 13:47.17 | d1b | trying to decide if i should move to debian squeese or not yet. |
| 13:47.24 | denny | wondered what BadB0y had done |
| 13:47.44 | d1b | i saw a whole lot of #notice #notice from him |
| 13:48.21 | denny | ta :) |
| 13:48.29 | smacnay | Hi, is there a quick way to switch between languages (Fr and En) in X or in an app in X (OOWriter)? |
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| 13:50.47 | mo2000 | smacnay. install the needed package *-i18n-* and use the usual applets to change :D |
| 13:50.49 | WormFood | smacnay, I still haven't figured out how to change the language in X/gnome |
| 13:51.09 | WormFood | what is "the usual applets" to change that? |
| 13:51.15 | smacnay | mo2000, thanks |
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| 13:51.57 | smacnay | mo2000, you wouldn't by chance be using kde? |
| 13:52.26 | mo2000 | WormFood: deppends on display manager... i/e in KDM you can use the Controlpannel apps |
| 13:52.57 | WormFood | yeah, I'm not using kde...I searched for -i18n- and almost everything listed is for kde |
| 13:53.04 | mo2000 | or when you want change your session completly -> kpersonalizer did it |
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| 13:53.49 | WormFood | when I use gdm, it gives me some choice for changing languages (I forget the details now, as I'm not using gdm), but it is only english, and when I asked before in this channel, the responses I got were most unhelpful |
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| 13:54.53 | f00li5h | mew |
| 13:55.00 | WormFood | seems like a lot of people here don't want to help, if you're not dealing with 100% english setup...."oh, you're a foreign fuck? then get help somewhere else", seems to be the typical attitude here. |
| 13:55.38 | f00li5h | I'm trying to figure out where Rt's config is ... it seems to be set up, but I can't see why... |
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| 13:55.44 | f00li5h | request-tracker3.6 ... that is |
| 13:56.07 | smacnay | seems I have already installed the fr language in the locales but am not sure how to have Gnome switch to it (or OOWriter). |
| 13:57.40 | smacnay | I think in OOWriter, I can change the preferences. |
| 13:58.13 | themill | WormFood: it's usually more that English speakers never had to deal with such issues so have no idea how to solve it -- people in $LANG channels *do* have that experience. We always help when we can... |
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| 14:02.52 | WormFood | themill, I'll admit, you help when you can, and we don't say it enough, but we do appreciate it...thanks! |
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| 14:04.04 | WormFood | smacnay, I don't think gnome is capable of handling different languages, or if it is, it isn't setup to do so in debian |
| 14:04.55 | HarbingerX | how do I find the version of debian I am running? I know how to find the kernel I have |
| 14:05.16 | WormFood | HarbingerX, uname -a |
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| 14:05.25 | WormFood | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:06.36 | HarbingerX | what version is debian currently on? |
| 14:06.49 | abrotman | stable is 5.0.3 |
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| 14:07.43 | WormFood | themill, as far as to people in foreign channels are able to help more....I don't believe that for a minute, as I have met many people here where english is not their native language....and, in the past I've been told to ask myself for help, as I've been directed to channels that don't exist (and I'm the only one there when I join) |
| 14:07.45 | HarbingerX | ok so I am not too far behind....cat /etc/debian_version put out '5.0' and I have kernel 2.6.26-1-686 which may be outdated now |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | HarbingerX: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 14:10.39 | careta | how do i disabled services (httpd for example) at startup? |
| 14:11.00 | nareshov | careta: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 14:11.02 | abrotman | careta: update-rc.d |
| 14:11.10 | mjt | or just remove the package |
| 14:11.15 | nareshov | heh ^ |
| 14:11.26 | mjt | if it's not enabled, why to keep it? |
| 14:11.36 | careta | i used to do that, but since the last update it says: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 14:11.43 | careta | and does nothing |
| 14:11.57 | careta | i'm using squeeze btw |
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| 14:13.56 | mjt | hedgehoginfog: are you from .ru ? |
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| 14:14.53 | themill | WormFood: true, there are plenty of multi-lingual people here too, but either they also don't know the answer or they aren't paying attention to IRC right now. We are conscious that we have no idea about the quality of support in the language specific channels -- it was discussed at the recent debconf in some detail and azeem is working a proposal to make it better. |
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| 14:15.46 | careta | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 14:16.04 | Trox_ | why does apt force me to download linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 if i want to download vitrualbox |
| 14:16.09 | bsulzer | hey guys, i'm missing my nvidia module according to my /var/log/Xorg.0.log how can i install it? |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | Trox_: security update perhaps |
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| 14:16.49 | laserlife | does anyone else's hdd never spin down ? |
| 14:16.56 | abrotman | !tell bsulzer about nvidia |
| 14:17.18 | Trox_ | abrotman : i have a new kernel running |
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| 14:17.20 | abrotman | careta: let me look around |
| 14:17.23 | Trox_ | newer* |
| 14:17.29 | careta | thanks |
| 14:17.33 | abrotman | Trox_: you still have that package installed, it's getting a security update |
| 14:17.34 | Arrowmaster | Trox_: use aptitude instead of apt |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | it wont' matter |
| 14:17.59 | bsulzer | abrotman: thx |
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| 14:20.04 | Trox_ | Arrowmaster: same thing |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | careta: sysv-rc-conf ? |
| 14:20.12 | p0g0_ | Trox_: could be that the only kernel modules for virtual box match the kernel you're being prompted yo download/install |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | Trox_: just let it install, it's a security update for that package |
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| 14:20.22 | p0g0_ | *to |
| 14:20.39 | Trox_ | ok thank you |
| 14:20.51 | Trox_ | any other virutalization software for linux? |
| 14:20.58 | careta | abrotman, no such command! |
| 14:21.10 | abrotman | careta: i meant to install the package |
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| 14:21.19 | careta | ok i'll brb |
| 14:21.28 | Trox_ | something like virutalbox |
| 14:21.31 | Arrowmaster | Trox_: what kernel are you running? |
| 14:21.41 | nareshov | Trox_: http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
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| 14:21.52 | abrotman | careta: wait a minute |
| 14:22.17 | Trox_ | Arrowmaster : Linux debian 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 14:22.37 | careta | sure |
| 14:23.19 | Trox_ | bochs ? stable ? |
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| 14:23.56 | lunaphyte | i'm got myself into a pickle, and have somehow broken su. i believe i have things correctly configured (group membership, pam), but su simply says "authentication failure". i'm certain i'm typing the password correctly (it works at the console). how can i troubleshoot this? |
| 14:24.07 | Arrowmaster | Trox_: install it without recommends then, youll probably need to compile the kernel modules to make it work instead of using a prebuilt module |
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| 14:24.44 | abrotman | careta: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
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| 14:25.48 | abrotman | careta: update-rc.d-insserv |
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| 14:26.40 | abrotman | careta: which the man page points you to something else |
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| 14:27.21 | abrotman | careta: to the update-rc.d that you already which isn't working .. awesome |
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| 14:27.41 | Trox_ | Arrowmaster: any idea if bochs can run windows 7? |
| 14:27.53 | TPC | hello, I have debian in a chroot, and when I try to run apt-get update in it I get this strange error message: Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.se.debian.org:http' (-5) |
| 14:28.04 | TPC | dns works inside the chroot since I can, for example, ping google.com |
| 14:28.07 | TPC | what could the problem be? |
| 14:28.18 | careta | thanks abrotman i think it works |
| 14:28.23 | Trox_ | another thing is, that i dualboot xp and debian , and grub bootloader works fine -- but after i install windows 7 |
| 14:28.28 | Arrowmaster | Trox_: no idea, i would recommend virtualbox |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | careta: uhm okay! |
| 14:28.29 | Trox_ | how can i get grub to work again ? |
| 14:28.45 | Arrowmaster | you need to boot using a rescue disc |
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| 14:29.15 | LinuxNIT | how come darkice in the repos is not compiled with lame support for mp3s? |
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| 14:29.45 | TPC | LinuxNIT, probably has something to do with patents |
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| 14:31.19 | bsulzer | abrotman: hm. i don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf as suggested. do i have to make one? |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | you can |
| 14:31.47 | LinuxNIT | wierd |
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| 14:32.08 | bsulzer | abrotman: was the you can intended for me? |
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| 14:32.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:32.33 | bsulzer | abrotman: ok, thx a lot |
| 14:32.50 | HarbingerX | there kernel and apps are updated....but would it be worth anything to upgrade from 5.0 to 5.0.3? |
| 14:33.04 | robinetd | dmesg doesn't show my ethernet card. Neither does lspci. (uses atl1e module). Three different operating systems don't detect it. ifconfig -a doesn't show it, etc. It's enabled in the BIOS. Is it safe to assume that it's dead? |
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| 14:33.52 | abrotman | HarbingerX: yeah, bug fixes and security fixes |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | HarbingerX: but you're probably already on 5.0.3 |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | robinetd: sounds dead to me |
| 14:34.23 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.30 | HarbingerX | don't know since it just shows 5.0 when I do that |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | HarbingerX: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:35.09 | robinetd | abrotman, Crap. It's onboard too. :(. |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | robinetd: they make PCI slots for that :) |
| 14:35.31 | robinetd | abrotman, Not in netbooks. |
| 14:35.32 | HarbingerX | hmmmm....guess the update did update debian too cause now after a reboot it says 5.0.3 |
| 14:35.39 | twiggz | :) |
| 14:35.53 | twiggz | thats what its supposed to do.. |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | robinetd: oh .. tried hwinfo or lshw ? maybe it's USB? |
| 14:36.41 | HarbingerX | well I just told it to do a smart update...didn't know if it did a OS upgrade while doing the app/util updates too |
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| 14:37.06 | robinetd | abrotman, No, I haven't. I'll go try that. Just my luck too, broke my warranty sticker a few weeks ago. :\ |
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| 14:37.43 | HarbingerX | got debian on second drive and vista on primary drive....set up in bios so I can press ESC key and chose which drive to boot so grub is on second drive while longhorn is on primary |
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| 14:41.04 | benedikt | Im having a hard time deciding. What release do you use for your desktops? |
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| 14:41.28 | nareshov | squuze + unstable (pinned) |
| 14:41.56 | benedikt | pinned? |
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| 14:44.11 | abrotman | benedikt: if you need to ask, probably use lenny |
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| 14:47.40 | bsulzer | !tell /me nvidia |
| 14:48.05 | mo2000 | HarbingerX: why setup bios.... install debian on seccond disk and use Grub.... works perfectly... and if you install extfs on vista you can also access ext2 ext3 drives on vista :D |
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| 14:50.06 | mo2000 | HarbingerX: Alternativly you can setup Windows bootloader to startup Grub from seccond device... (install Grub in first partition of hd1 and extract bootsector for winldr) |
| 14:51.31 | HarbingerX | I don't have to set up bios like that....it is already setup like that...I just press Esc key and choose primary drive, dvd rw drive, or secondary drive |
| 14:51.42 | LuciusMare | when is planned next debian release? |
| 14:51.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !release |
| 14:51.58 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
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| 14:52.22 | abrotman | LuciusMare: when it's ready,sooner if you help |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | bsulzer: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 14:53.01 | jpinx-eeepc | HarbingerX: you can make grub avoid the Esc key route |
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| 14:56.42 | HarbingerX | don't care for dual booting |
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| 14:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | HarbingerX: fairysnuff :) |
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| 15:00.22 | HarbingerX | used to love it but even with debian I kept having issues with grub booting vista......kept coming up with a rescue screen saying vista was never shutdown properly....got tired of it so I restored longhorn to primary and put grub on secondary and just boot individually |
| 15:01.42 | jpinx-eeepc | HarbingerX: indeed - I hear others complaining about vista in dual-boot, it'll be interesting in W7 fixes that |
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| 15:03.25 | abrotman | maybe grub2 ? |
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| 15:04.05 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: possibly - I haven't tried it yet. |
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| 15:07.01 | little_owl | Hello, I have a problem with speedstep during startup, probably I don't know how to set it in Debian's way. If I load "modprobe acpi-cpufreq" and governor "modprobe cpufreq_ondemand", it works fine. What services should be enabled and set? |
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| 15:07.50 | cahoot | cpufrequtils installed? |
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| 15:08.19 | little_owl | Yes, but it looks like acpi-cpufreq is not loaded ..... |
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| 15:08.33 | mjt | little_owl: just add it to /etc/modules |
| 15:08.54 | mjt | cpufrequtils isn't needed |
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| 15:08.59 | BumfunMC | hi, how do i change the gnome panel icon? changing the link from /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg and killall gnome-panel didnt cause anything |
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| 15:09.53 | little_owl | Ok, I thought that there is some service responsible for that (like in Fedora/CentOS). Thanks. |
| 15:10.31 | mjt | well, cpufrequtils is supposed to load the right driver |
| 15:10.47 | mjt | but it's nothing more than just examining the hardware trying to find one |
| 15:10.58 | mjt | all the rest is done by the kernel |
| 15:11.38 | little_owl | Anyway, thanks for hints, I am going to read related documentation. |
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| 15:25.00 | megatog615 | anyone know the channel for squeeze? |
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| 15:25.39 | d_b | How can I create a shortcut in the panel for Nautilus opened by root? |
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| 15:25.58 | abrotman | megatog615: this one |
| 15:26.28 | shahri | d_b: use gksudo |
| 15:26.58 | shahri | in the "Command" field or whatever it is in the standard debian panel (I'm using xfce4-panel), do "gksudo nautilus" |
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| 15:27.54 | megatog615 | hmm ok |
| 15:27.54 | megatog615 | i was wondering how to disable insserv's profiling of the boot every time its changed |
| 15:28.17 | d_b | shahri: thanks! I thought gksudo was an ubuntu thing (sudo and so on). |
| 15:28.28 | shahri | no problem :P |
| 15:28.41 | shahri | hmm I think I was helpful for the first time ever in this channel |
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| 15:28.48 | omg_onoez | hi, guys |
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| 15:28.52 | shahri | normally, I only ask questions here when my system is broken again :D |
| 15:29.07 | omg_onoez | i have a lil difficult here |
| 15:29.08 | d_b | sooner or later it's bound to happen :) |
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| 15:29.38 | omg_onoez | i'm installing debian testing from usb flash drive on a box with attansic l2 ethernet adapter |
| 15:29.45 | omg_onoez | so there is no such driver |
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| 15:30.06 | omg_onoez | so i put a module on another flash drive |
| 15:30.13 | omg_onoez | with label "deb" |
| 15:30.25 | omg_onoez | edited fstab to mount it |
| 15:30.39 | omg_onoez | i tried to mount it manually, over fstab |
| 15:30.50 | omg_onoez | directly and with LABEL= |
| 15:30.57 | omg_onoez | but mount always says |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 15:31.00 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 15:31.09 | omg_onoez | that there is no such file or directory |
| 15:31.20 | omg_onoez | so why mount not mounts |
| 15:31.29 | omg_onoez | i c |
| 15:31.48 | omg_onoez | but i cant mount usb flash |
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| 15:31.54 | omg_onoez | thats the problem |
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| 15:32.47 | omg_onoez | i tried to mount it as /dev/sdc1, as LABEL=dev, manually and by adding it in fstab |
| 15:32.58 | omg_onoez | directory /media/disk |
| 15:33.00 | omg_onoez | exists |
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| 15:33.04 | omg_onoez | but mount says |
| 15:33.14 | omg_onoez | "No such file or directory" |
| 15:33.27 | omg_onoez | thats my problem |
| 15:33.28 | d_b | shahri: Actually it was "gksu nautilus". gksudo didn't work for me so I just guessed and it worked. |
| 15:33.42 | omg_onoez | abrotman, any ideas? =) |
| 15:34.17 | shahri | d-b: kk :P |
| 15:34.32 | shahri | just gksu nautilus? not gksu -c? |
| 15:34.45 | shahri | I mean, you have to do -c when doing regular su |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | omg_onoez: maybe it means /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 15:35.11 | shahri | but hm, yup, doesn't seem to apply to gksu |
| 15:35.22 | omg_onoez | sdc1 exists |
| 15:35.29 | omg_onoez | and its my flash drive i'm sure |
| 15:35.41 | omg_onoez | (sry for my english btw) |
| 15:36.01 | omg_onoez | it's daily testing netinstall image i use |
| 15:36.16 | omg_onoez | i'm in doubt why mount not mounts lol |
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| 15:37.08 | omg_onoez | is it a bug? |
| 15:37.12 | omg_onoez | or what |
| 15:37.23 | omg_onoez | what can it be if not a bug \= |
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| 15:39.01 | abrotman | omg_onoez: why are you using testing ? you're sure /media/disk exists ? |
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| 15:39.10 | omg_onoez | i created it |
| 15:39.12 | omg_onoez | so im sure |
| 15:39.24 | omg_onoez | i'm using testing cuz i need gnome 2.24 |
| 15:39.36 | CodeNinja | when I login, nm-applet requests access to the keyring (and I have to put my password in every time for this) how can I get around this? |
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| 15:39.49 | abrotman | omg_onoez: you can install with lenny, and then dist-upgrade |
| 15:39.53 | omg_onoez | and some other newer apps btw |
| 15:40.10 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-panel |
| 15:40.10 | judd | abrotman: gnome-panel -- etch: 2.14.3-6 lenny: 2.20.3-5 squeeze: 2.26.3-1 sid: 2.28.0-1 |
| 15:40.14 | omg_onoez | i already wasting my time =) |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | omg_onoez: you could just finish the install, then do the driver later |
| 15:40.30 | omg_onoez | with this mount bug |
| 15:40.45 | omg_onoez | its netinstall image as i said |
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| 15:41.16 | omg_onoez | so how can i install it from net if i cant load driver for network adapter |
| 15:41.16 | omg_onoez | lol |
| 15:41.21 | BumfunMC | hi, how do i change the gnome panel icon? changing the link from /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg and killall gnome-panel didnt cause anything |
| 15:41.22 | abrotman | uhm .. it doesn't require the internet to finish the install |
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| 15:41.50 | omg_onoez | oh, so i can install base with netinstall image anyway? |
| 15:41.51 | mhymn | BumfunMC: what about #gnome? |
| 15:42.18 | omg_onoez | that how :D |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | omg_onoez: yes |
| 15:42.28 | omg_onoez | cuz i can't c such options at all |
| 15:42.39 | abrotman | omg_onoez: yes, it is poorly named i suppose .. the bizcard is the one that requires the network to finish |
| 15:42.53 | omg_onoez | it suggests me only adding external sources (cd) or installing via network |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | BumfunMC: you mean the Debian logo ? |
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| 15:43.22 | C-Otto | hi there |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | BumfunMC: you realize there are like .. five logos in /etc/alternatives/ ? |
| 15:44.00 | BumfunMC | abrotman: yes, at the moment its the swirl, before it was the foot |
| 15:44.27 | abrotman | omg_onoez: so use the CD you already have |
| 15:44.32 | omg_onoez | i have not cd |
| 15:44.42 | BumfunMC | abortman: i tried to change the 22x22-file according to advice from google and then i tried the .svg-file |
| 15:44.46 | omg_onoez | and i have no cd drive for this box |
| 15:45.02 | omg_onoez | thats why i decided to download netinstall image ._. |
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| 15:45.10 | wamty | if i download file with 740 kb/sec, what amount of mbit is is? |
| 15:45.12 | abrotman | omg_onoez: you're doing the USB install ? you can put the ISO on the usb drive IIRC |
| 15:45.21 | abrotman | !tell omg_onoez about usb install |
| 15:45.34 | omg_onoez | i install from usb |
| 15:45.36 | omg_onoez | yep |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | wamty: about .75 mbps |
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| 15:45.56 | omg_onoez | so there is an option to download testing iso? |
| 15:45.58 | omg_onoez | :DD |
| 15:46.23 | omg_onoez | put it on the flash drive (that i again cant'mount, as u remember) |
| 15:46.24 | wamty | abrotman: no really |
| 15:46.28 | omg_onoez | and add it as source |
| 15:46.33 | abrotman | omg_onoez: less enter key |
| 15:46.33 | omg_onoez | and everything will be cool |
| 15:46.35 | omg_onoez | :D |
| 15:46.36 | abrotman | wamty: what ? |
| 15:46.39 | wamty | kilobites per second |
| 15:46.42 | wamty | not kilobit |
| 15:46.44 | omg_onoez | ok |
| 15:46.45 | omg_onoez | sry |
| 15:46.49 | pren0x | hi, i want to resize apatrition(make it smaller), does anyone know, if gparted move the files on the disk? |
| 15:46.57 | abrotman | wamty: kbps is kilobits .. you asked for mb which is megabit |
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| 15:49.36 | wamty | i download file with 740 kilobites per second, how much megabit is tha? |
| 15:50.02 | JPT | 0.74 |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | wamty: KB and you want Mb ? |
| 15:50.27 | abrotman | kb is not KB .. |
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| 15:50.52 | abrotman | wamty: google can convert this for you |
| 15:51.41 | themill | wamty: if you want something between a byte and a bit, use a nibble or a nybble not a bite. (I mean... check your spelling... you're being confusing here!) |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:01.32 | radioguy33 | i want all traffic on my router to be encrypted with ipsec, its hard to find a working example of this since i dont want encryption between 2 hosts only, i want any traffic in my router to be encrypted |
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| 16:03.26 | eidolon | hi folks - i wonder if Lenny supports installing root to a RAID6 volume (/dev/md0). I have 4 SCSI drives in a rackmount machine, i want htem all to be RAID6 on one root partition, but when i went through the partitioner and installer, at the very end it said "Cannot install grub to /dev/md0" or something like "grub install failed". Is this possible? |
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| 16:05.31 | assit | hi |
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| 16:06.14 | assit | I got a question: I'm running lenny which is supposed to contain rtorrent version 0.7.9-2.2 |
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| 16:07.22 | somnambulant | is this iptables script sufficient for a web/mail server? http://git.gplhost.com/gitweb/?p=dtc.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/dtc-dos-firewall.init;hb=a99bf62252ffbe5b294b8367c062ba2a1ed8ab91 |
| 16:07.22 | omg_onoez | abrotman, can i somehow add this module directly to installer? to exclude problem with mounting |
| 16:07.37 | assit | however, dpgk-query -l "*torrent" shows me rtorrent version 0.6.4. I tried apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, but still don't get version 0.7.9-2.2. I have not configured any sources |
| 16:09.01 | mhymn | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 16:09.01 | judd | mhymn: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.5-2 squeeze: 0.8.5-2 |
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| 16:09.24 | mhymn | assit: that's from etch is suppose |
| 16:09.36 | eidolon | hrm. the more i read here, the more i see "Don't try to boot from raid5 or raid6" |
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| 16:09.52 | eidolon | so it sounds like is hould make a little raid1 partition set, and use that as /boot |
| 16:09.54 | assit | the version in /etc/debian-version is 5.0.3, isn't that lenny? |
| 16:10.02 | mhymn | yes |
| 16:10.20 | mhymn | assit: check 'apt-cache policy rtorrent' |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | omg_onoez: i triggered the bot awhile ago .. you apparently ignored it |
| 16:10.39 | omg_onoez | òù ø âøâòå |
| 16:10.43 | assit | so why does "apt-get upgrade" not update the rtorrent package |
| 16:10.44 | omg_onoez | no i didnt |
| 16:10.46 | omg_onoez | \= |
| 16:10.58 | assit | .... oh gf's calling .... brb |
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| 16:14.03 | abrotman | omg_onoez: it's up there .. |
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| 16:14.29 | CodeNinja | when I login, nm-applet requests access to the keyring (and I have to put my password in every time for this) how can I get around this? |
| 16:14.35 | omg_onoez | i read it carefully |
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| 16:14.39 | omg_onoez | there is no fix |
| 16:14.42 | omg_onoez | btw |
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| 16:14.46 | omg_onoez | i rebooted twice |
| 16:14.54 | omg_onoez | and |
| 16:14.56 | omg_onoez | wtf |
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| 16:15.02 | themill | dpkg: tell omg_onoez about enter |
| 16:15.13 | omg_onoez | i mounted it |
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| 16:15.16 | omg_onoez | but now there is another problem |
| 16:15.52 | omg_onoez | insmod: error inserting 'atl2.ko': -1 Invalid ,odule format |
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| 16:23.18 | reklama | http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42665516A5D131 |
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| 16:24.03 | CodeNinja | ukl: I'm not sure if kde4 is supported in here yet... last time I asked I was directed to oftc |
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| 16:25.19 | mhymn | yeah, there'll probably be more chances in #debian-kde or even #kde |
| 16:26.04 | ukl | thanks :) |
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| 16:27.53 | omg_onoez | where can i find precompiled atl2 module for my attansic l2 ethernet adapter, so i could add it manually during installation of debian testing? |
| 16:28.24 | omg_onoez | i found one atl2.ko, but insmod says that module has an invalid format |
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| 16:31.57 | abrotman | !installer firmware |
| 16:31.58 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 16:32.08 | abrotman | thrashold: probably better to ask #vim |
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| 16:32.40 | mhymn | wayttd case |
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| 16:33.38 | cptblood | i've got a WinTV Nova-TD 500 pci card that i just bought, but how do i install it properly in debian? |
| 16:33.52 | cptblood | running debian 5.0.3 |
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| 16:34.07 | hvgotcodes | I am in the process of installing debian -- no ext4 as a fs option? |
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| 16:34.38 | cahoot | cptblood: if you're lucky it's supported by the installed kernel |
| 16:34.42 | cptblood | it isnt |
| 16:34.50 | Necrosporus | What package is better for pxa270 processor? linux-image-2.6.26-2-footbridge_2.6.26-19_arm.deb linux-image-2.6.26-2-iop32x_2.6.26-19_arm.deb linux-image-2.6.26-2-ixp4xx_2.6.26-19_arm.deb |
| 16:34.56 | cptblood | running 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:35.08 | cahoot | cptblood: so find out what module it needs |
| 16:35.20 | cahoot | cptblood: the pciid is a good start |
| 16:35.22 | cptblood | you're talking to a kinda noob here |
| 16:35.30 | cptblood | what cmd? |
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| 16:36.06 | cahoot | cptblood: lpsci -nn |
| 16:36.10 | simonrvn | lspci -nn |
| 16:36.12 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:36.13 | cahoot | err lspci -nn |
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| 16:36.30 | twiggz | hvgotcodes: you can use ext4 in debian squeeze. |
| 16:36.37 | twiggz | I do. |
| 16:36.39 | cptblood | am i suppose to see it there? |
| 16:36.49 | hvgotcodes | twiggz: i think i got the stable iso |
| 16:36.52 | cahoot | if it's present |
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| 16:37.02 | cptblood | then it's not present |
| 16:37.03 | hvgotcodes | twiggz: does this mean i should just get a different iso? |
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| 16:37.31 | Deepa | Could someone nopaste their default apache2.conf and 000-default? |
| 16:37.32 | twiggz | I just use the netinst for debian squeeze.. |
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| 16:38.42 | hvgotcodes | twiggz: which iso should i get then? squeeze is 'unstable'? |
| 16:38.54 | cahoot | cptblood: this seems to apply: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI |
| 16:39.11 | twiggz | no, squeeze is testing, sid is unstable. |
| 16:39.21 | twiggz | there is no sid iso. |
| 16:39.35 | hvgotcodes | i am switching from ubuntu because i dont want to have to wait for new versions to get the latest kernel, drivers, x, etc -- does debian support this better than ubuntu? |
| 16:40.07 | twiggz | not debian stable...if you want new apps and such, i suggest debian testing. |
| 16:40.14 | simonrvn | the question is why do you want this? |
| 16:40.21 | Necrosporus | hvgotcodes, I suppose, you can try sid |
| 16:40.35 | themill | dpkg: tell hvgotcodes about moving target |
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| 16:41.05 | mhymn | Deepa: found apache2.conf in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/examples |
| 16:41.15 | hvgotcodes | Necrosporus: I dont need the absolute latest. I just need to be able to easily intall new kernels and graphics drivers' |
| 16:41.35 | cahoot | hvgotcodes: that's hardly distrodependent |
| 16:41.47 | hvgotcodes | does the debian installer do things like configure suspend/hibernate on a laptop? |
| 16:42.00 | Deepa | mhymn: I haven't got Debian |
| 16:42.07 | Necrosporus | Anyway, AFAIK current sid is more stable than testing |
| 16:42.25 | simonrvn | *cough* bullshit *cough* |
| 16:42.35 | hvgotcodes | cahoot: I know its not distro dependent. but with ubuntu its difficult to get packages for newer software |
| 16:42.35 | twiggz | that is bullshit..lol. |
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| 16:43.45 | cptblood | is 2.6.26-2 the latest stable kernel ?' |
| 16:43.57 | twiggz | yes |
| 16:46.06 | omg_onoez | where can i find precompiled atl2 module for my attansic l2 ethernet adapter, so i could add it manually during installation of debian testing? |
| 16:46.10 | omg_onoez | i found one atl2.ko, but insmod says that module has an invalid format |
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| 16:52.46 | Zitter | ehm... package for lspci? |
| 16:53.04 | cahoot | pciutils or such |
| 16:53.30 | nareshov | Zitter: dpkg -S `which lspci` |
| 16:55.03 | Zitter | no pcitools here :( |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | so install it |
| 16:55.58 | Zitter | ok. which package? |
| 16:56.07 | abrotman | you were told |
| 16:56.43 | Zitter | sorry, apt-cache search pcitools returns only nictools, that is installed |
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| 16:57.04 | nareshov | 16:53 < cahoot> pciutils or such |
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| 16:57.34 | Zitter | sorry, my fault |
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| 16:59.52 | Zitter | cahoot, nareshov abrotman <- thanks for patience :) |
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| 17:00.11 | Jck_true | Can anybody point me in the direction as to install a minfied KDE installed? |
| 17:01.46 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 17:01.46 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
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| 17:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | Cool. Always something new to learn about Debian. |
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| 17:06.30 | _darren_ | fiddling with drbd + heartbeat trying to setup a mirrored partition. It currently has an ext3 partition and drbdadm warns me it will destroy the data and I should zero out the first part of the device if I want to continue. Um, how do I zero out the first part of the device? (/dev/sdb1) |
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| 17:09.47 | _darren_ | ok, go it - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M count=128 |
| 17:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | _darren_: You can always use dd to write zeros to the device, but I'd want to know a lot more about drbd and why it's saying that before I tried. |
| 17:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | Good luck then. |
| 17:10.32 | _darren_ | apparently it's a warning I'm about to kill my data, I just have to convince it I *really* don't have any data on there :) |
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| 17:12.06 | jhutchins_lt | Makes sense then. |
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| 17:18.35 | ab3 | hello how can I see witch init.d scripts are running? |
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| 17:19.47 | chuck | installing libapache2-mod-php5 isn't actually installing any files in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 17:19.56 | chuck | is there any way to fix this? |
| 17:20.59 | chuck | oops, sorry, forgot that i was running ubuntu on this server |
| 17:21.04 | valdyn | chuck: except /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load ? |
| 17:21.10 | valdyn | duh |
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| 17:22.04 | chuck | valdyn: no, i said that it's not installing any files in that folder |
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| 17:22.59 | simonrvn | ab3: 'which'; init scripts don't keep running, whatever they start up do. try using `ps auxw | pager' for an idea of what's running at that moment. |
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| 17:23.42 | ab3 | simonrvn: k thx |
| 17:23.54 | abrotman | !tell chuck about confmiss |
| 17:24.36 | omg_onoez | still can't find precompiled module for my kernel |
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| 17:25.40 | abrotman | which driver? |
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| 17:26.01 | omg_onoez | attansic l2 ethernet adapter |
| 17:26.05 | omg_onoez | atl2.ko |
| 17:26.14 | omg_onoez | 2.6.30-2 |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | it's already in the .30 kernel that is being used |
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| 17:26.31 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/atlx/atl2.ko |
| 17:26.32 | omg_onoez | seems like not =) |
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| 17:26.40 | abrotman | or it requires firmware ? |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | !atl2 |
| 17:26.48 | dpkg | hmm... atl2 is a driver for the Atheros L2 Fast Ethernet Adapter, used in some low-cost Asus laptop systems (e.g. Asus Eee PC). To install on Lenny or Etch with a 2.6.24 kernel: "aptitude install atl2-modules-$(uname -r) && modprobe atl2". This driver is included in mainline kernels as of 2.6.29. See also <atl1e>. |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | see .. it' s in the .30 kernel |
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| 17:27.10 | omg_onoez | not in my installer |
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| 17:27.22 | omg_onoez | modprobe doesn't confirm this statement |
| 17:27.25 | omg_onoez | =)) |
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| 17:27.52 | omg_onoez | netinstall testing installer, the latest one |
| 17:27.58 | MarcoPau | hello, I have a usb digicam which is not automatically mounted, thou lsusb shows it. what am I supposed to do? |
| 17:27.59 | omg_onoez | 2.6.30-2 |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | which kernel is it ? |
| 17:28.06 | abrotman | so check that directory |
| 17:28.11 | themill | omg_onoez: uname -r |
| 17:28.28 | omg_onoez | uname will show only Linux cuz i'm in installer's ash |
| 17:28.35 | omg_onoez | and in /lib/modules |
| 17:28.42 | omg_onoez | there is no atl2.ko |
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| 17:28.52 | omg_onoez | and there is 2.6.30-2 |
| 17:29.07 | abrotman | which ISO did oyu use ? |
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| 17:29.18 | omg_onoez | latest daily testing netinstall iso |
| 17:29.22 | abrotman | which ISO did oyu use ? |
| 17:29.39 | omg_onoez | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i |
| 17:29.39 | omg_onoez | 386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:29.40 | omg_onoez | this one |
| 17:29.41 | abrotman | parisc? alpha? s390 ? |
| 17:29.46 | omg_onoez | i386 |
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| 17:30.16 | themill | omg_onoez: for future reference, busybox's shell still supports "uname -r" |
| 17:30.43 | omg_onoez | yep, sry |
| 17:31.12 | omg_onoez | 2.6.30-2-486 there |
| 17:32.39 | themill | judd kconfig atl2 --release squeeze |
| 17:32.41 | judd | themill: Searching for 'atl2' in squeeze kernel config gives ATL2=m. |
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| 17:33.02 | simonrvn | whoah, it has that? nice |
| 17:33.25 | krushik | do you know how to make apache2 to create files with umask=002? umask 002 at the /etc/apache2/envvars does not seem to work =( |
| 17:33.30 | omg_onoez | i wish it could have that |
| 17:33.33 | omg_onoez | lol |
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| 17:34.16 | simonrvn | i meant the bot ;) |
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| 17:35.05 | omg_onoez | is it a bug or what? why there is no atl2.ko in the latest testing installer with 2.6.30-2? |
| 17:35.22 | themill | simonrvn: :) /msg dpkg judd-hardware; (and yes, I should write up some documentation for this....) |
| 17:35.34 | abrotman | wiki! |
| 17:35.42 | themill | yes |
| 17:36.27 | omg_onoez | how can i launch netinstall of testing in this case if i don't want to type dist-upgrade |
| 17:36.28 | omg_onoez | ? |
| 17:36.41 | simonrvn | themill: nice |
| 17:37.24 | omg_onoez | i spent two hours searching precompiled module for this kernel to load it manually |
| 17:37.48 | themill | omg_onoez: you can complete the installation you started without a network connection at all, and that module will be in the kernel once the installation has completed |
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| 17:38.03 | themill | Didn't we tell you that 2h ago too? |
| 17:38.05 | omg_onoez | how, if that is netinstall |
| 17:38.10 | omg_onoez | you did |
| 17:38.18 | omg_onoez | but i have no testing cd |
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| 17:38.26 | omg_onoez | and i can't download it now |
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| 17:39.10 | omg_onoez | and i can't c an option to install base system here |
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| 17:40.27 | rajeshsr | hi, can anyone help me with phpMyID? |
| 17:40.39 | omg_onoez | themill, so there is no any option for me in this case to complete installation? |
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| 17:41.32 | themill | omg_onoez: there should be. Just carry on through the installation and don't select anything at the "tasksel" stage. |
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| 17:41.51 | omg_onoez | oh |
| 17:41.57 | omg_onoez | it will install only base? |
| 17:42.55 | omg_onoez | i checked once again, there is no such option |
| 17:43.20 | omg_onoez | it suggests only mounting external media and configureing network |
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| 17:43.34 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
| 17:43.35 | Ronis_BR | does ubuntu need to be reinstalled to be correctly updated to a new version? |
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| 17:43.45 | Ronis_BR | does debian need to be reinstalled to be correctly updated to a new version? |
| 17:43.47 | simonrvn | ask them |
| 17:43.48 | Ronis_BR | sorry :) |
| 17:44.30 | Ronis_BR | simonrvn: I'm looking for a distro to install at the university but I prefer one that can be updated without a full resinstallation, like gentoo |
| 17:44.36 | themill | Ronis_BR: debian doesn't, but ubuntu has a reputation for having upgrades go wrong. You'd better ask #ubuntu if you want to know about ubuntu. |
| 17:44.44 | Xenguy | Ronis_BR: debian - no reinstallation necessary |
| 17:45.05 | thrashold | How should the trailer line in debian/changelog look like? What the format of the date should be? |
| 17:45.23 | Ronis_BR | Xenguy: good, so just a upgrade with apt-get should always be fine, shouldn't it? |
| 17:45.23 | themill | Ronis_BR: many of us have debian boxes that have been progressively updated for 5 or even 10 years. |
| 17:45.34 | Ronis_BR | themill: good :) |
| 17:45.47 | Xenguy | Ronis_BR: yes, or aptitude |
| 17:45.48 | omg_onoez | well, anyway thank you guys, there is no any options to complete installation in my case |
| 17:45.56 | omg_onoez | and sorry for my english :) |
| 17:45.57 | Ronis_BR | themill: I use gentoo, but it is too difficult for newbies to mantain, so I'm looking for a new one to install at university |
| 17:46.00 | thrashold | I'm trying to debuild -uc -us a package that has this in the changelog: -- XXXX <YYYY@example.com> @DATE@ |
| 17:46.02 | themill | omg_onoez: you don't need an option to do this. |
| 17:46.06 | Ronis_BR | thanks themill Xenguy |
| 17:46.08 | Xenguy | Ronis_BR: best to use stable also |
| 17:46.14 | Ronis_BR | Xenguy: of course |
| 17:46.16 | themill | thrashold: RFC2822 date format. (date -R) but use dehchange (dch) from the devscripts package isntead |
| 17:46.20 | omg_onoez | themill, than how should i do this? |
| 17:46.29 | thrashold | themill: Thanks |
| 17:47.01 | themill | thrashold: "debchange", sorry |
| 17:47.55 | themill | omg_onoez: I have no idea what you're up to in the installer. You need to tell us more about what it is you're doing and what you're up to |
| 17:48.13 | omg_onoez | when installer loads |
| 17:48.41 | omg_onoez | it has next options: Install, automated install, expert install and same with graphics mode |
| 17:49.00 | Ronis_BR | Xenguy: I need kde 4.3.2 that is from unstable, can I download lenny and change the repository after? |
| 17:49.01 | themill | omg_onoez: Oh, and please try to type in complete sentences and stop hitting enter after every few words. It makes it much harder to follow what you're saying. |
| 17:49.04 | assit | re |
| 17:49.18 | assit | sorry, it took a while. |
| 17:49.51 | assit | If someone answered my question an hour ago, could you please post it againt? |
| 17:50.02 | valdyn | assit: use /lastlog |
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| 17:50.54 | omg_onoez | selecting one of this options leads you to the graphic or curses installation menu, where i can configure language, keyboard, network, debconf levels or external media with packages (cd) |
| 17:50.56 | assit | my client is configured to not have any history |
| 17:51.53 | omg_onoez | there is no any option, that makes installer to install base system on hard disk drive |
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| 17:52.27 | abrotman | assit: which question ? |
| 17:52.37 | assit | I'll just repeat the question: although I have lenny, I don't get rtorrent 0.7.9-2.2 installed with an apt-get upgrade |
| 17:52.43 | assit | I still have version 0.6.4 |
| 17:52.50 | valdyn | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 17:52.50 | judd | valdyn: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.5-2 squeeze: 0.8.5-2 |
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| 17:53.10 | valdyn | assit: so you dont have lenny |
| 17:53.21 | assit | debian_version says 5.0.3 |
| 17:53.23 | omg_onoez | themill, in other words i simply can not instal system with this installer, if i have no mounted cd (or iso) or if i have no configured working network connection |
| 17:53.33 | stedy | Do anyone know how to suggest a new package for debian? |
| 17:53.38 | valdyn | assit: what is the output for "apt-cache policy rtorrent" |
| 17:53.43 | omg_onoez | i guess this why it called NetInstall |
| 17:54.00 | assit | jsut a sec ... |
| 17:54.11 | assit | my box is pretty slow |
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| 17:54.52 | Nubosal | omg_onoez: Is a small CD and downloads the necessary files from the web |
| 17:54.52 | assit | shall I c&p the whole 6 lines? |
| 17:54.56 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:55.05 | omg_onoez | i just can't do it because of three reasons |
| 17:55.05 | Xenguy | Ronis_BR: I don't use KDE, and I don't really know. there are ways to 'apt-pin' different versions of debian, but you'll have to research that stuff |
| 17:55.30 | EvilGuru | I am wondering why: aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel does not upgrade me to 3.5? |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | assit: or just summarize |
| 17:55.42 | omg_onoez | Nubosal, i can download the driver, but i cant find precompiled module atl2.ko for 2.6.30-2 itself |
| 17:55.55 | EvilGuru | As I am currently on a Squeeze system and thought that 3.5 was lurking in experimental |
| 17:55.59 | Nubosal | I answered your question for the netinstall |
| 17:55.59 | omg_onoez | and there is no this module in /lib/modules |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | EvilGuru: it's now in unstable |
| 17:56.08 | assit | http://paste.debian.net/49834/ |
| 17:56.10 | valdyn | EvilGuru: because there is no iceweasel 3.5 in experimental |
| 17:56.23 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 17:56.24 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.3-2 |
| 17:56.34 | abrotman | dpkg: why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 17:56.35 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 17:56.38 | EvilGuru | Darn iceweasels, just can't catch em |
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| 17:56.56 | abrotman | assit: and it won't do what ? |
| 17:57.08 | valdyn | assit: whats in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 17:57.15 | twiggz | im running testing and have iceweasel... |
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| 17:57.22 | twiggz | installed yesterday? |
| 17:57.27 | EvilGuru | twiggz: I believe it is 3.0.x |
| 17:57.37 | twiggz | Yes 3.0.11 |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | twiggz: not the version he's looking for |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | twiggz: you should have 3.0.14 |
| 17:57.46 | twiggz | oh, I misunderstood |
| 17:57.48 | twiggz | lol |
| 17:57.49 | EvilGuru | At least that is what I have here, and assuming it will run okay, 3.5 is a lot nicer |
| 17:57.49 | twiggz | sorry |
| 17:57.57 | pav5088_ | I'm fiddling with digital certificates, and I've created a CA and created and signed a new cert for my server. Is it correct to replace the snakeoil certs in /etc/ssl, or should I do things another way? |
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| 17:58.07 | assit | er ... I think that's it. there is a preference for rtorrent which I added for sarge years ago |
| 17:58.12 | twiggz | actually, my experience with firefox 3.5 have been poor |
| 17:58.20 | assit | totally forgot |
| 17:58.28 | valdyn | pav5088_: might aswell configure your server to use differently named cert |
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| 17:58.51 | twiggz | I was playing around with openbsd 4.6 a few days ago...firefox35 was complete fail... |
| 17:59.20 | pav5088_ | valdyn, it's just that many services seem to use the snakeoil certs by default... and I was going to replace them unless there was a good reason not to. |
| 17:59.30 | pav5088_ | (ie. they wouldn't get overwritten in an update or something) |
| 17:59.31 | valdyn | pav5088_: nah, do whatever you want |
| 17:59.44 | valdyn | pav5088_: itsa just that snakeoil carries that name because its not a proper certificate |
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| 18:00.05 | valdyn | pav5088_: if you can live with your cert having a filename like that, no problem |
| 18:00.14 | twiggz | dpkg: why is iceape not in testing? |
| 18:00.14 | dpkg | iceape is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceape |
| 18:00.29 | EvilGuru | iceape? |
| 18:00.33 | LuciusMare | hello,does anybody know what to do with THIS? : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=46232&p=264092#p264092 |
| 18:00.41 | pav5088_ | valdyn, I see... thanks for the info. |
| 18:00.48 | assit | I'll get rid of the content of the pref file. totally outdated :-/ |
| 18:00.52 | twiggz | Iceape = seamonkey |
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| 18:01.24 | twiggz | The wife loves it, I had to install it from an unstable repo on her squeeze machine.. |
| 18:01.50 | abrotman | LuciusMare: you probably would want to use UUIDs instead |
| 18:02.00 | EvilGuru | Is it all that different from Firefox? |
| 18:02.15 | assit | cool ... now it's finally upgrading, thanks! |
| 18:02.16 | xhairball | stedy: RFP: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 18:02.24 | EvilGuru | I remember using Seamonkey a while back and seeing it as just another Gecko browser that isn't Firefox |
| 18:02.25 | valdyn | LuciusMare: the disk you boot from is always hd0 |
| 18:02.37 | valdyn | LuciusMare: your grub and your menu.lst seem to be referring to hd1 |
| 18:03.08 | twiggz | I agree, nevertheless my wife likes it. |
| 18:03.20 | stedy | so theres no easy way i could get sombody to adopt http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ |
| 18:03.22 | twiggz | I aim to please. |
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| 18:03.42 | valdyn | stedy: very easy, just pay someone |
| 18:03.45 | EvilGuru | Only problem I currently have with FF/Gecko is that Gnash, even when not playing a flash movie, is a resource hog |
| 18:03.46 | twiggz | dpkg: why is slim not in testing? |
| 18:03.46 | dpkg | slim is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=slim |
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| 18:04.17 | twiggz | I love slim, i installed that from unstable lol. |
| 18:04.33 | valdyn | stedy: or does "adopt" mean that you want it packaged in debian? |
| 18:04.39 | twiggz | gnash just outright sucks. |
| 18:04.56 | twiggz | I always just use the ubuntu .deb for adobe flash from adobe.com |
| 18:05.03 | twiggz | it works perfectlt. |
| 18:05.25 | EvilGuru | I am 64-bit so avoid the Flash player (and when, all that time ago, I was 32-bit, I found it to be a pain) |
| 18:05.26 | stedy | in debian yes.. |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | stedy: you can file an RFP |
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| 18:05.55 | mjt | btw, there's one security bug listed for slim |
| 18:06.01 | mjt | ..already |
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| 18:06.08 | EvilGuru | Gnash is the kind of project which needs a *lot* of developer time put into it if it is going to be a success |
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| 18:07.05 | twiggz | yes, slim allows login as root with no pass.. |
| 18:07.46 | twiggz | Im not worried about that, as I am the only one that touches this pc. |
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| 18:08.34 | twiggz | but gdm, kdm ...such a high number of deps....and xdm is just plain ugly.. |
| 18:09.44 | twiggz | it doesnt say that this slim bug is remotely exploitable anywhere... |
| 18:09.55 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and I did a dist-upgrade about 2 weeks ago, now when I run jackd, I get a whole bunch of xruns, where normally I'd only get 1 or 2. What settings can I change to fix this? |
| 18:10.08 | valdyn | twiggz: theres a huge number of software that you cant use if you dont want those debs installed |
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| 18:10.16 | valdyn | twiggz: like all popular webbrowsers |
| 18:10.25 | valdyn | twiggz: *deps* even |
| 18:10.49 | twiggz | valdyn: obviously they pose no problem to me as I am running everything I want as it is :) |
| 18:11.37 | valdyn | twiggz: so a) you dont use one of the popular webbrowsers or b) gdm / kdm would not add any deps |
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| 18:11.47 | twiggz | well lets see... |
| 18:12.02 | twiggz | yes |
| 18:12.21 | twiggz | gdm would still add 4 more packages. |
| 18:12.28 | valdyn | twiggz: obviously gdm would match firefox / epiphany / mozilla stuff and kdm the konqueror |
| 18:12.34 | twiggz | that i dont need to run iceweasel |
| 18:12.39 | twiggz | or anything else apparently. |
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| 18:12.53 | twiggz | The following NEW packages will be installed: gdm gdm-themes{a} libdmx1{a} xbase-clients{a} xserver-xephyr{a} zenity{a} |
| 18:13.08 | valdyn | twiggz: youre installing recommends there |
| 18:13.09 | twiggz | I dont need those obviously to run iceweasel or w3m |
| 18:13.12 | valdyn | twiggz: not depends |
| 18:13.35 | twiggz | uh no....those arent under recommended packages... |
| 18:13.57 | valdyn | Recommends: whiptail | dialog, zenity, gdm-themes, xserver-xephyr |
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| 18:14.49 | twiggz | either way, i dont need those packages to use iceweasel or w3m. |
| 18:14.59 | twiggz | I dont need them for anything. |
| 18:15.10 | twiggz | aptitude wants to install them for gdm... |
| 18:15.13 | valdyn | twiggz: that is why they're recommends |
| 18:15.20 | valdyn | twiggz: that an aptitude switch |
| 18:17.31 | valdyn | twiggz: libdmx1 is there to speed up X, but i cant tell you actual results |
| 18:17.42 | twiggz | then shouldnt it come with xorg instead of a display manager? |
| 18:18.07 | valdyn | twiggz: most xorg extensions are optional |
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| 18:23.30 | twiggz | I still dont understand whats the big deal... i installed slim..and it needed no extra packages installed when I installed it....gdm is still asking for stuff that I dont need... *shrug* Ill stick with slim. |
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| 18:24.59 | phlux | Hmm, all of a sudden I'm not receiving email on my debian server |
| 18:25.06 | phlux | not sure why. |
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| 18:26.18 | nikpos | I have an ibm thinkpad t43 and I'm having trouble getting my sound to work. I've installed alsa, I have all the relevant sliders up in alsamixer. When I try to play something in mplayer it looks like it's playing but I don't hear anything. |
| 18:26.41 | cahoot | nikpos: muted? |
| 18:26.43 | hark | nikpos: make sure they're not muted as well |
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| 18:26.57 | cahoot | nikpos: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 18:28.01 | nikpos | cahoot I don't think it's muted. The mute button on the laptop itself doesn't seem to do anything |
| 18:28.07 | cahoot | nikpos: btw what did you mean by 'installed alsa'? wasn't that already in place? |
| 18:28.23 | cahoot | nikpos: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:28.27 | twiggz | try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 18:28.30 | LuciusMare | valdyn: what?where? |
| 18:28.45 | cahoot | twiggz: that won't solve anything |
| 18:28.59 | twiggz | works for me when im getting my sound working. lol. |
| 18:29.32 | nikpos | I think /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 did the trick |
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| 18:30.20 | cahoot | nikpos: it unmuted and set sane levels |
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| 18:35.55 | Frx | hello! |
| 18:36.07 | Frx | so i was dualbooting windows xp and debian lenny |
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| 18:36.29 | inckie | ... and then you failed |
| 18:36.30 | Frx | now i installed windows7 in windows xp's place |
| 18:36.35 | Frx | hehe |
| 18:36.51 | twiggz | use a livecd and reinstall grub... |
| 18:36.59 | twiggz | i think that would work |
| 18:37.11 | Frx | twiggz : the debian cd i used to install lenny? |
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| 18:37.36 | Frx | abortman should know the answer to this |
| 18:37.44 | Frx | as always :P |
| 18:38.01 | Frx | !fix mbr |
| 18:38.02 | dpkg | takes mbr to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 18:38.45 | markybob | !fixmbr |
| 18:38.46 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 18:39.24 | nsadmin_ | what device is mplayer configured to send audio to? |
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| 18:40.09 | cahoot | depends on -ao |
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| 18:40.26 | twiggz | there you go.. |
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| 18:40.52 | Frx | markybob : think that would find win 7 as it did with win xp ? |
| 18:41.01 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and I did a dist-upgrade about 2 weeks ago, now when I run jackd, I get a whole bunch of xruns, where normally I'd only get 1 or 2. What settings can I change to fix this? |
| 18:41.06 | twiggz | grub2 does |
| 18:41.55 | twiggz | although sometimes installing testing, it misses it during update-grub during the install, but running update-grub again after install will find the windows 7 loader and add it |
| 18:42.27 | twiggz | that was an issue on my wifes machine... |
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| 18:43.39 | Nubosal | Brb |
| 18:43.52 | poisonbit2 | exit |
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| 18:47.52 | juju2143 | hello. |
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| 18:48.29 | silner | juju2143: hello |
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| 18:49.02 | silner | It's a while since I used IRC and I'm going to be using pidgin, so can I ask what is the normal character set for IRC now, do all clients read UTF-8 now or do I need to choose Latin Unicode or whatever? |
| 18:49.20 | juju2143 | so I have a problem: it says that glibc 2.4 is not found |
| 18:49.30 | juju2143 | when I attempt to run a executable |
| 18:50.09 | silner | juju2143: it probably means you need that library for that program - it maybe a dependency or library |
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| 18:50.37 | silner | I'm only starting to use Debian but that's the usual reason on the systems I'bve used up to now |
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| 18:51.17 | juju2143 | ok. |
| 18:51.35 | cahoot | juju2143: from where did you get the executable? |
| 18:51.39 | Frx | !fixmbr |
| 18:51.39 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:51.43 | silner | have you searched for what glibc is it certainly sounds like a library |
| 18:51.43 | juju2143 | i compiled it myself |
| 18:51.53 | Frx | mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target? |
| 18:51.59 | juju2143 | and glibc is the library of the C language |
| 18:52.06 | Frx | ? |
| 18:52.12 | Frx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.18 | juju2143 | so how I find the version of glibc? |
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| 18:52.31 | silner | Frx: thought it might me but I wasn't sure :) |
| 18:52.39 | Frx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.57 | silner | I don't compile unless I have to and then I just follow the instructions |
| 18:53.10 | mjt | juju2143: debian lenny comes with glibc-2.7. If your program wants exactly 2.4 version, you need older version of debian i guess. But glibc stays backward-compatible. |
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| 18:53.26 | juju2143 | thx mjt |
| 18:54.19 | juju2143 | btw i compile it because I wrote it |
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| 18:54.51 | santerref | hello |
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| 18:55.49 | silner | Frx: 2.4 seems to be quite old? I was just searching. |
| 18:56.19 | santerref | I have a problem with vlogger if someone want help me |
| 18:56.31 | Frx | silner : what are you talking about? |
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| 18:57.08 | silner | That C compiler library. I was looking at what systems it came with and they are all old. |
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| 18:57.57 | Frx | !supergrub |
| 18:57.57 | dpkg | [supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/w/index.php5?title=FixBootOfLinuxOption . See also <fixmbr>. |
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| 18:58.07 | silner | It was in Etch apparently Frx |
| 18:58.11 | santerref | who know vlogger..? |
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| 18:58.30 | SanadorHerido | buenas.. |
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| 18:59.01 | SanadorHerido | hblan español??? |
| 18:59.13 | themill | !es |
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| 18:59.38 | SanadorHerido | gracias |
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| 19:04.26 | juju2143 | so I have this error: |
| 19:04.28 | juju2143 | ./ShadowBot: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found |
| 19:04.36 | juju2143 | someone can solve it? |
| 19:04.46 | santerref | hello |
| 19:04.59 | santerref | unable to start piped log program ' /usr/local/ispconfig/server/scripts/vlogger -s access.log -t "%Y%m%d-access.log" -d "/etc/vlogger-dbi.conf" /var/log/ispconfig/httpd': No such file or directory |
| 19:04.59 | santerref | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.33 | santerref | i do not understand because in my apache2.conf file i never say to execute this and in apache2 in init.d too... |
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| 19:05.36 | abrotman | does that directory exist ? |
| 19:06.15 | santerref | no the /usr/local/ispconfig/server/scripts/vlogger does not existe but /usr/sbin/vlogger yes |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | uhm .. /var/log/ispconfig/ |
| 19:06.35 | santerref | yes |
| 19:06.42 | abrotman | with perms that your app can write to? |
| 19:06.55 | santerref | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 sep 29 00:58 ispconfig |
| 19:07.04 | abrotman | but does it run as root? |
| 19:07.08 | santerref | yes |
| 19:07.12 | abrotman | or strace it to see where it's dying |
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| 19:07.28 | santerref | I do not remember how ^^ ? |
| 19:07.31 | santerref | to trace it |
| 19:07.59 | abrotman | strace -ologfile stuffyouwanttorun |
| 19:08.11 | twiggz | terminator is so awesome. |
| 19:08.37 | santerref | (y) |
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| 19:09.01 | themill | juju2143: what does "readlink -f /lib/tls/libc.so.6" say? |
| 19:09.14 | twiggz | splitting terminals vertically and horizonatally is cool. |
| 19:09.33 | mhymn | screen does that |
| 19:09.46 | juju2143 | themill, lemme see |
| 19:09.55 | twiggz | why the need for screen when your terminal emulator can do that itself? |
| 19:10.14 | mhymn | because screen is screen? |
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| 19:10.39 | mhymn | smells offtopic |
| 19:10.59 | twiggz | never found a use for screen other than running instances of irssi on a remote machine instead of using a bnc...or some irc bots that dont background themselves.. |
| 19:11.19 | twiggz | mhymn: you opened the door :P |
| 19:11.19 | trifler | a game server :) |
| 19:11.23 | juju2143 | themill, /lib/tls/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 19:11.24 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 19:11.39 | themill | juju2143: are you running etch or lenny there? |
| 19:11.44 | juju2143 | idk |
| 19:11.52 | santerref | a good site to copy and past code? |
| 19:11.57 | santerref | log, etc |
| 19:12.03 | santerref | i do not remember the name |
| 19:12.03 | twiggz | pastebin |
| 19:12.05 | twiggz | ? |
| 19:12.08 | santerref | a ok yes it's this |
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| 19:12.15 | juju2143 | lenny |
| 19:12.22 | juju2143 | themill, lenny |
| 19:12.43 | santerref | this is what return strance -o logfile /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:12.43 | santerref | http://pastebin.com/m3b041b2a |
| 19:12.46 | themill | juju2143: can you pastebin the output of: "dpkg -l 'libc6*' dpkg aptitude perl" |
| 19:12.47 | santerref | strace* |
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| 19:12.54 | juju2143 | and my sysadmin upgraded everything via apt this week |
| 19:13.36 | juju2143 | themill, the version is 2.3.6.ds1-13et |
| 19:13.41 | themill | juju2143: yeah, it seems that way. And you have a few etch packages left behind it seems. If you could also pastebin "aptitude search ~o" that would be helpful. |
| 19:13.44 | santerref | i do not understand the output result ^^ |
| 19:13.57 | themill | juju2143: please pastebin the entire output of those two commands. |
| 19:14.15 | themill | !paste |
| 19:14.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 19:14.36 | juju2143 | btw themill it says E: Unknown pattern type: o |
| 19:14.39 | santerref | abrotman you're there? |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | yes? |
| 19:15.07 | santerref | ok |
| 19:15.12 | themill | juju2143: uhuh... so not upgraded to lenny then. |
| 19:15.21 | juju2143 | ok... |
| 19:15.23 | abrotman | santerref: should be way more lines than that |
| 19:15.23 | santerref | so i do : strace -o logfile /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 19:15.29 | valdyn | santerref: system calls are documented |
| 19:15.37 | juju2143 | but my sysadmin said lenny |
| 19:15.39 | juju2143 | weird |
| 19:15.41 | valdyn | santerref: so install manpages-dev and read "man rt_sigprocmask" |
| 19:15.53 | themill | juju2143: [20:12] <themill> juju2143: can you pastebin the output of: "dpkg -l 'libc6*' dpkg aptitude perl" |
| 19:16.05 | juju2143 | i think yes |
| 19:16.08 | juju2143 | minute |
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| 19:17.01 | santerref | yeah but the problem is strange... if I only want to know witch script execute this command ? because i do not find it in /etc/init.d/apache2 and /etc/apache2/apache2.conf... |
| 19:17.22 | valdyn | santerref: its a system call, i told you |
| 19:17.22 | juju2143 | themill, http://paste.debian.net/49839/ |
| 19:17.30 | abrotman | santerref: the one that says it can't open logs |
| 19:17.36 | mo2000 | can sombody check my "logic": While starting a seccond session: Xorg.x.log fails yust after the load of libpcidata.so can it be that video (fglrx) driver is __not__ responsibel for lookup my system? |
| 19:17.56 | santerref | ok i'll look at man rt_sigprocmask |
| 19:18.08 | valdyn | stracing a shell script is probably really silly too |
| 19:18.12 | valdyn | ( without -f ) |
| 19:18.37 | abrotman | santerref: that's not at all what i said |
| 19:18.45 | santerref | I know but |
| 19:18.58 | juju2143 | themill, he didn't upgrade. |
| 19:19.08 | themill | juju2143: that's very much still an etch machine. The first few steps of the upgrade procedure haven't even been done. |
| 19:19.09 | mo2000 | ahd how cute...just after i ask i see there is no config loaded (looks just like a empty config) *WAAAHHH* |
| 19:19.28 | juju2143 | my sysadmin just said he didn't upgrade |
| 19:19.42 | santerref | is there another way to solve this problem... |
| 19:19.52 | santerref | because this is apache error log |
| 19:20.00 | abrotman | santerref: i told you what i wanted to see .. and you didn't paste it |
| 19:20.02 | juju2143 | so i'll fint my problem w/ my compiler |
| 19:20.05 | juju2143 | *find |
| 19:20.06 | santerref | yes |
| 19:20.14 | santerref | http://pastebin.com/m3b041b2a |
| 19:20.20 | santerref | this is what I have |
| 19:20.21 | santerref | when... |
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| 19:20.36 | valdyn | santerref: thats useless |
| 19:20.40 | abrotman | santerref: when you run what command? |
| 19:20.49 | santerref | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:20.50 | abrotman | and which command did you ask about whyen you *first* came in here? |
| 19:20.51 | valdyn | santerref: you are stracing a shell script, that is *totally* useless as you did it |
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| 19:21.40 | santerref | so which command did I have to strace? |
| 19:21.51 | simonrvn | better to do sh -x /etc/init.d/foo.... |
| 19:22.15 | abrotman | santerref: the one you said wasn't working |
| 19:22.21 | simonrvn | or, run the command as it would have been run, with the binary, and all options used. |
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| 19:22.35 | juju2143 | someone knows mkbundle? |
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| 19:22.54 | santerref | I know but /etc/init.d/apache2 start is useless which command ? |
| 19:23.27 | valdyn | this is hopeless |
| 19:23.39 | valdyn | santerref: start by telling us how you are deviating from debian in your system |
| 19:24.25 | abrotman | santerref: you were asking why ispconfig wasn't working .. run that command with the strace |
| 19:24.54 | santerref | ispconfig is working http://santerref.myftp.org:81 |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | <santerref> unable to start piped log program ' /usr/local/ispconfig/server/scripts/vlogger -s access.log -t "%Y%m%d-access.log" -d "/etc/vlogger-dbi.conf" /var/log/ispconfig/httpd': No such file or directory |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | <santerref> Unable to open logs |
| 19:26.35 | santerref | yes |
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| 19:27.02 | santerref | tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 19:27.13 | inckie | off topic: Anyone knows if you can get putty to relogin upon disconnect? |
| 19:27.16 | santerref | this is the result |
| 19:27.19 | inckie | ssh |
| 19:27.20 | santerref | unable... |
| 19:27.21 | santerref | etc |
| 19:27.34 | valdyn | inckie: ssh yes, i dont know about putty |
| 19:28.42 | inckie | im using putty on a windows machine to tunnel traffic via ssh/putty |
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| 19:28.42 | inckie | sometimes it gets disconnected, would be nice if it could try to reconnect |
| 19:28.42 | valdyn | inckie: then thats a windows question |
| 19:28.42 | inckie | valdyn i said it was off topic |
| 19:28.59 | inckie | some of you guys might using putty, to ssh their linux boxes.. |
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| 19:30.41 | abrotman | santerref: please do not msg me .. talk in the channel |
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| 19:31.18 | abrotman | santerref: talk here |
| 19:32.08 | santerref | Ok but stop saying ... hopeless, useless, etc. Debian is not new for me but I do not really use it regularly so i do not understand everything |
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| 19:32.55 | santerref | I make search and I try things before asking for you. |
| 19:33.20 | abrotman | santerref: if there's an error in your apache log, show us what it is |
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| 19:34.17 | santerref | in error.log (/var/log/apache2) |
| 19:34.17 | santerref | http://pastebin.com/m5b78f0fa |
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| 19:35.26 | santerref | and there : |
| 19:35.30 | santerref | /var/log/ispconfig/httpd/santerref.myftp.org |
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| 19:35.43 | santerref | I have these file : 20090929-access.log access.log error.log |
| 19:35.59 | santerref | there is nothing in error.log |
| 19:36.15 | abrotman | santerref: if you chmod 766 /var/log/ispconfig/ .. does it start ? (and NO you cannot leave it this way if it does) |
| 19:36.58 | santerref | Starting web server: apache2 failed! |
| 19:37.14 | santerref | same error |
| 19:37.18 | santerref | in log |
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| 19:38.29 | santerref | sorry I have to leave... i'll come back latter |
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| 19:38.41 | santerref | bye. |
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| 19:39.38 | juju2143 | ok now i need to compile my exe w/ glibc 2.3 |
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| 19:40.12 | juju2143 | how to do that w/ gcc? |
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| 19:43.31 | jelly-home | juju2143: 2.3.what? etch has 2.3.6 or so... |
| 19:43.40 | juju2143 | 2.3.6 |
| 19:43.58 | juju2143 | by default it compile with glibc 2.4 |
| 19:44.03 | juju2143 | but i dont want to |
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| 19:44.33 | themill | juju2143: how did you compile it last time? |
| 19:45.08 | juju2143 | with the default options |
| 19:45.15 | juju2143 | i mean with mkbundle |
| 19:45.37 | juju2143 | mkbundle -o ShadowBot ShadowBot.exe --deps --static -z |
| 19:45.40 | juju2143 | like this |
| 19:45.47 | juju2143 | it calls |
| 19:46.06 | juju2143 | fcc -o ShadowBot -Wall `pkg-config --cflags mono` temp.c -lz `pkg-config --libs-only-L mono` -Wl,-Bstatic -lmono -Wl,-Bdynamic `pkg-config --libs-only-l mono | sed -e "s/\-lmono //"` temp.o |
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| 19:50.59 | juju2143 | so is there some gcc option to make this use glibc 2.3? |
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| 19:53.07 | abrotman | it uses mono and libc3.2 ? |
| 19:54.07 | juju2143 | yes |
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| 19:54.42 | juju2143 | something like that |
| 19:54.54 | juju2143 | abrotman, mono and libc2.3 |
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| 19:58.57 | bogdanbiv | Hello |
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| 19:59.56 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 20:00.08 | cr3rzemjest | how do i disable autocopying of text? |
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| 20:00.31 | cr3rzemjest | when i select it? |
| 20:00.52 | dimir | Switch back to windows. |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | why would you not wnat that ? |
| 20:01.49 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: those are alternate ways to say "we don't know" |
| 20:01.52 | cr3rzemjest | why would i want it |
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| 20:02.02 | bogdanbiv | My Debian 5.0 (kernel 2.6.18.8-x86_64-linode7) complains that I don't have LANGUAGE variable set. What can I do? |
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| 20:02.13 | cr3rzemjest | jelly-home: i see :P |
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| 20:02.56 | jelly-home | bogdanbiv: which application/program says that? |
| 20:03.13 | cr3rzemjest | it's annoying and i'd rather use ctrl+c, ctrl+v |
| 20:03.13 | babilen | cr3rzemjest: You might have more luck in #xorg. If you find the answer let us know. |
| 20:03.13 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
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| 20:03.37 | jelly-home | bogdanbiv: (also, that's not a debian kernel, but I'm assuming you have a virtual machine of some kind) |
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| 20:04.21 | babilen | cr3rzemjest: Interesting. This is one of the first things i *really* miss when I am forced to use a Windows computer. |
| 20:04.34 | bogdanbiv | jelly-home: Yes, it's VPS hosted at Linode.com. It complains about it when I try to install anything using apt-get. |
| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | bogdanbiv: pastebin the whole output please. Also the output of "locale" and "locale -a" |
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| 20:09.29 | Silent_Dream | Sorry to sound like a noob (i pretty much am |
| 20:09.43 | Silent_Dream | but, is there an easy way to run kate as root |
| 20:10.02 | Silent_Dream | i tried a root shell with kate, but it tells me its not installed (which it is) |
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| 20:11.17 | bogdanbiv | jelly-home: Apt-get and ls /usr/share/locale/ output: http://paste.debian.net/49843/ |
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| 20:12.02 | benedikt | im in the process of merging from ubuntu to debian squeeze. In ubuntu, the notify windows (libnoitfy) are using a nice black look. in sqeeze it looks really ugly. Is this just depending on the gnome theme or is it something else? Also, Im currently not using compiz on sqeeze, that might be it |
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| 20:12.42 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: Maybe sudo is not installed? You sure it complains that kate is not installed? |
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| 20:13.26 | Silent_Dream | well, in a root shell session when i just type kate, it says its not installed |
| 20:13.33 | Silent_Dream | when in a normal shell i type sudo kate, it says command not found |
| 20:13.35 | jelly-home | bogdanbiv: you're on the right track, but that's not what I asked for. Either unset all the locale env. variables, or install the "locales" package or run dpkg-reconfigure locales if it's already installed, and actually enable en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 20:16.27 | benedikt | and why is gnome-about version 2.28 but gnome is versino 2.26 in squeeze? seems really odd to me |
| 20:16.56 | djahandarie | For some reason my tab-completiton is all mucked up. It can tab-complete folders, but it can't tab-complete in the middle of a filename. Could someone help? |
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| 20:17.13 | markybob | benedikt, because testing is always in flux. some packages are 2.28 some are 2.26 |
| 20:17.20 | jelly-home | benedikt: that's normal state of testing, things may be half between versions |
| 20:17.55 | benedikt | i can understand that.. but it seems odd to have the -about package in the higher version, would make more sense to have it in 2.26. |
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| 20:18.22 | benedikt | but anybody up for explaining for me this about hte looks of the notify windows? |
| 20:19.05 | markybob | benedikt, i'm sure no one here knows or cares what ubuntu doesnt with their notifications |
| 20:19.11 | babilen | benedikt: gnome-about is a package like the rest of gnome. If that particular piece of software is stable enough it might migrate to testing before other parts. |
| 20:19.14 | markybob | s/doesnt/does |
| 20:19.36 | bogdanbiv | jelly-home: Solved! |
| 20:20.08 | benedikt | markybob: i merely used ubuntu as an explenation point. The real question can be translated to: is the looks of the notify windows dependent on the gnome theme or is it independet? |
| 20:20.19 | bogdanbiv | jelly-home: I ran dpkg-reconfigure and it stopped complaining about the missing variables. |
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| 20:23.22 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: Try giving it a full path to your kate executable - that would be /usr/bin/kate. |
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| 20:27.33 | Silent_Dream | bogdanbiv; i typed "sudo /usr/bin/kate" |
| 20:27.38 | Silent_Dream | it says command not found |
| 20:27.55 | Silent_Dream | or did you mean to cd there and then try sudo kate |
| 20:28.31 | abrotman | so maybe you need to install it ? |
| 20:28.41 | babilen | Silent_Dream: Do you have sudo installed? |
| 20:29.01 | Silent_Dream | as far as i know, yes, ive been able to use it with other commands |
| 20:29.06 | Silent_Dream | sudo, that i |
| 20:29.06 | Silent_Dream | is* |
| 20:29.19 | Silent_Dream | i think the problem is kate isnt installed in the default directory |
| 20:29.24 | Silent_Dream | im not sure exactly where its installd |
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| 20:29.37 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and I did a dist-upgrade about 2 weeks ago, now when I run jackd, I get a whole bunch of xruns, where normally I'd only get 1 or 2. What settings can I change to fix this? |
| 20:29.46 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: Install where/which package. |
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| 20:30.13 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: It tells you where a certain program is homed. |
| 20:30.45 | Silent_Dream | bogdanbiv: is the name of the package where or which? |
| 20:30.47 | babilen | Silent_Dream: How did you install kate? What is the output of 'which kate', 'apt-cache policy kate'? (paste it somewhere) |
| 20:31.52 | Silent_Dream | oh, apparently i have which installed |
| 20:31.58 | Silent_Dream | it says its in /opt/kde3/bin/kate |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | Silent_Dream: is the kate package even installed ? |
| 20:32.39 | abrotman | Silent_Dream: which version of linux is this? |
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| 20:33.56 | faheem | Silent_Dream: that's a local installation. why have you installed kate locally? |
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| 20:34.24 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: I think the problem is that you don't have /opt/kde3/bin in your path. |
| 20:34.37 | Silent_Dream | yeah, i think thats the issue |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | the problem is that he has some weird kde installed, and the question is why? |
| 20:34.46 | abrotman | i asked him which distro he was using .. didn't answer |
| 20:34.49 | babilen | no, the problem is that there is some strange kde install on the loose |
| 20:34.57 | faheem | bogdanbiv: no, the problem is why he is not using the standard packages |
| 20:35.10 | babilen | hehe... |
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| 20:35.48 | abrotman | Silent_Dream: so which version of linux are you running ? |
| 20:35.48 | faheem | assuming he is using Debian, that is. |
| 20:35.49 | bogdanbiv | Silent_Dream: Even if you have it in your user path, root path variable may have a different content from your user's. |
| 20:36.09 | babilen | Silent_Dream: Which version of Linux/Debian are you running? Why is there a local installation of kate/KDE in /opt. Why did you use the packaged software? |
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| 20:36.46 | babilen | *not* use the packaged software |
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| 20:38.14 | Silent_Dream | sorry for all confusion i think im in the wrong channel |
| 20:38.22 | Silent_Dream | its not a vanilla debian |
| 20:38.27 | abrotman | is it even debian? |
| 20:38.30 | Silent_Dream | based from it |
| 20:38.37 | faheem | Silent_Dream: consider using vanilla debian :-) |
| 20:38.39 | abrotman | right .. go ask them, not us |
| 20:38.43 | Silent_Dream | yea , my bad |
| 20:38.50 | Silent_Dream | i shall do that, thanks for help, i got it working |
| 20:38.55 | Silent_Dream | now i can open kate as root |
| 20:38.56 | Silent_Dream | :) |
| 20:39.00 | xhairball | anyone else getting spammed by iZmir upon joining? |
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| 20:39.02 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 20:39.04 | djahandarie | For some reason my tab-completiton is all mucked up. It can tab-complete folders, but it can't tab-complete in the middle of a filename. Could someone help? |
| 20:39.06 | thrashold | Silent_Dream: Why aren't you using vanilla debian? |
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| 20:39.16 | abrotman | xhairball: thank you |
| 20:39.26 | jelly-home | he prefers chocolate, thrashold |
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| 20:39.29 | Silent_Dream | exactly |
| 20:39.37 | Silent_Dream | thanks guys |
| 20:39.39 | abrotman | Silent_Dream: thanks, have a nice day! |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | even though he knew he wasn't running Debian ... |
| 20:40.08 | jelly-home | Chocolate isn't supported here?!? |
| 20:40.35 | CharminTheMoose | Anyone have any idea why I am getting xruns in the qjackctl interface when previously I didn't? |
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| 20:41.33 | bogdanbiv | Chocolate is an alias for...? |
| 20:41.46 | jelly-home | NotDebian |
| 20:41.56 | babilen | bogdanbiv: vanilla vs chocolate ;-) |
| 20:42.10 | thrashold | bogdanbiv: Chocolate is probably Ubuntu. I think that Silent_Dream was using cherry. |
| 20:43.18 | bogdanbiv | thrashold: Uh, oh... that's a highly specialized jargon, oh my! |
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| 20:45.33 | bogdanbiv | Where can I edit the path for my user and for the root account? I want tab completion for sudo <command>. |
| 20:45.53 | abrotman | bogdanbiv: that's probably the bash-completion package |
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| 20:47.20 | tempuser | recently, whenever I try to update/download/install packages via aptitude, the download process starts downloading fine and at a good speed (~100KB/s), then after a few seconds, it slows waaaay down...to around ~200B/s. |
| 20:47.21 | bogdanbiv | abrotman: Do I need to restart/logout after installing bash-completion? |
| 20:47.29 | abrotman | i'd guess so |
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| 20:47.38 | olson | hello there? |
| 20:47.38 | tempuser | what would/could be causing this? |
| 20:47.44 | abrotman | tempuser: get another mirror |
| 20:47.49 | tempuser | did that |
| 20:47.49 | mo2000 | tempuser....soundssome connection issue... |
| 20:47.51 | tempuser | no dice |
| 20:48.01 | abrotman | tempuser: which mirrors have you tried ? |
| 20:48.01 | olson | any buddy with amarok compiling expirience? |
| 20:48.16 | tempuser | i can download a fresh archive from kernel.org with wget and no issues |
| 20:48.19 | abrotman | olson: #amarok perhaps |
| 20:48.34 | pistache | why does "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 1412 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.42.13.42:80" does not work ? |
| 20:48.44 | pistache | 10.42.13.42 is reachable by the server. |
| 20:48.46 | olson | no one help me there |
| 20:48.47 | olson | :( |
| 20:48.56 | pistache | What could have been forgotten ? |
| 20:49.03 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and I did a dist-upgrade about 2 weeks ago, now when I run jackd, I get a whole bunch of xruns, where normally I'd only get 1 or 2. What settings can I change to fix this? |
| 20:49.04 | pistache | Do I need to allow something else ? |
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| 20:49.53 | abrotman | tempuser: maybe try the uchicago mirror ? |
| 20:49.56 | tempuser | pistache: you will also need to allow the connection too. that command just sets up the DNAT'ing. |
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| 20:50.31 | tempuser | i've tried 10 mirrors in different countries.....with no luck. its the stangest thing. |
| 20:50.32 | pistache | tempuser: my INPUT chain is set to ACCEPT. |
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| 20:51.30 | tempuser | pistache: put sime logging rules in there and see where its being hung up at..... |
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| 20:52.29 | naiv` | ?java sound |
| 20:53.02 | pistache | tempuser: i don't know how to do that, i'm going to search. but if it can help when I run a netcast server on the host (the one forwarding the port), connections works well |
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| 20:55.50 | benedikt | Isnt there a wikipage or something documenting when packages (or certain packages) are deemed stable enough to transist to testing ? |
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| 20:57.52 | pistache | tempuser: it does not appear when i log everything in input |
| 20:58.06 | pistache | so i guess it is prerouted |
| 20:58.22 | redDEADresolve | is kernel mode setting worthwhile? |
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| 20:59.46 | cesurasean | how do I create a group on debian lenny? groupadd doesn't seem to work... |
| 21:00.13 | simonrvn | addgroup |
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| 21:00.27 | cesurasean | nevermind |
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| 21:00.57 | IRConan | hi I'm having some trouble doing an install using debootstrap |
| 21:01.24 | IRConan | when it attempts to enter the chroot it gives this error... |
| 21:01.24 | IRConan | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 21:12.39 | tempuser | do the debian mirrors perform any dynamic throttling on downloads? |
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| 21:13.16 | MarkGil | Hi, is there are channel to discuss ARM versions of debian, or can I ask here? |
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| 21:15.08 | redDEADresolve | MarkGil, what do you want to know? |
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| 21:18.37 | bogdanbiv | Where do I need to put export PATH=/:/...:/..., if I want to set it for all users? |
| 21:19.34 | bogdanbiv | Should it be /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 21:19.45 | MarkGil | I have an Ubuntu system (ARM based), and I need to get Debian on it, but I believe the debian installer does not work with flash drives. Is there another way to get this installed, or "upgrade" from debian to ubuntu? How similar are the filesystem layouts? |
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| 21:20.40 | bogdanbiv | MarkGil: I think you meant to upgrade from ubuntu to debian, or you picked the wrong channel. |
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| 21:23.44 | MarkGil | @bogdanbiv sorry, yes, I got them the wrong way round. |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | MarkGil: yes, you can install debian from usb |
| 21:24.00 | MarkGil | I have ubuntu, they are stopping ArmV5 support, I want to move to debian |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | is it a netbook ? |
| 21:24.29 | MarkGil | It's a SheevaPlug |
| 21:24.46 | abrotman | moment |
| 21:24.57 | MarkGil | installing to the internal flash (512MB) |
| 21:25.04 | abrotman | http://www.cyrius.com/journal/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/sheevaplug-installer-available |
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| 21:25.29 | MarkGil | (it came with a minimal Ubuntu 9.04 that used about 256MB of flash) |
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| 21:27.15 | j_14 | bogdanbiv: yes, but then you would have to source that file on /etc/profile for it to work on login shells. |
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| 21:27.44 | abrotman | MarkGil: that URL was for you |
| 21:27.50 | simonrvn | also, this isn't twitter but an irc channel. please don't use @$nick |
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| 21:31.17 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 21:31.20 | LuciusMare | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=46232 anybody knows what to do with this? |
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| 21:40.30 | valdyn | LuciusMare: your menu.lst is referring to hd1, so grub is probably too, but your boot disk is hd0 |
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| 21:42.05 | IRConan | anyone experienced problems with debootrap not having permission when it tries ot mount proc? |
| 21:42.12 | abrotman | valdyn: didn't yu tell him that before? :) |
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| 21:42.27 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, literally |
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| 21:45.18 | Andorin | Um... when I start xine, VLC, or Totem, they all crash... |
| 21:46.02 | Andorin | Actually, no. xine crashes on startup, whereas totem and VLC crash when I try to play a DVD. |
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| 21:46.11 | Andorin | Help? |
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| 21:47.37 | bogdanbiv | Andorin: Here's an idea: start a Terminal/Konsole and type vlc there, paste the output in a pastebin and post it here - someone with more knowlegde will try to troubleshoot it. |
| 21:48.15 | Andorin | k |
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| 21:48.40 | Andorin | So why is this happening? http://pastebin.com/d4529c6b |
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| 21:50.41 | twiggz | any advice on getting an audigy 2 to work on squeeze? |
| 21:51.01 | bogdanbiv | Andorin: Looks like you're having problems with memory allocation in the library that manages DVD menu navigation. No idea how to fix it though! |
| 21:51.08 | Andorin | =/ |
| 21:51.37 | Andorin | brb. |
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| 21:54.11 | LuciusMare | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=46232 anybody knows what to do with this? |
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| 21:54.54 | NahuelM | best way of making an exact copy of the HD at the file level (since there are different fs)? |
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| 21:55.18 | cusco_ | hi |
| 21:55.29 | cusco_ | for someone using wireless BCM4320a |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | LuciusMare: valdyn has told you *twice* now .. |
| 21:55.53 | cusco_ | what is the holly solution? google is full of segfaults and stuff using rndis_wlan |
| 21:56.03 | comps | hello, is there way to tell apt to use something else instead of update-grub? I'd like to use LILO and let the update script do only the symbolic link adjustment, no lilo.conf changes |
| 21:56.03 | cusco_ | its not me, its a friend of mine who's having troubles with it |
| 21:56.48 | LuciusMare | abrotman: sorry,i didnt notice |
| 21:57.07 | LuciusMare | abrotman: and,he is wrong,i think,i assume it does not load the menu,so why should i edit it? |
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| 21:57.26 | abrotman | ask him not me |
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| 21:57.48 | twiggz | anyone have any advice for getting an audigy2 working in squeeze? Ive googled, Installed everything that debian.org pkg lists claim to enable audigy and audigy 2.... |
| 21:58.13 | twiggz | all i have to do to get my onboard sound working is modprobe snd-pcm-oss....done... |
| 21:58.18 | twiggz | my wife wants to be difficult. |
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| 21:58.52 | twiggz | dont tell me i have to start using this pulseaudio crap either.. |
| 21:58.59 | twiggz | :/ |
| 21:59.13 | abrotman | twiggz: /etc/modules ? |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 21:59.26 | twiggz | and what to do there? |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | you were talking about different sound cards |
| 21:59.48 | abrotman | twiggz: do you have the pciid of the device ? |
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| 22:00.32 | twiggz | wth |
| 22:00.38 | twiggz | lspci doesnt even show it connected |
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| 22:01.29 | twiggz | its a dell dimension 8400 |
| 22:01.38 | twiggz | disabled the onboard sound |
| 22:02.02 | twiggz | plugged the sb audigy2 in ...reinstalled testing |
| 22:02.22 | twiggz | installed alsa-base ...alsa-utils...libasound...etc.. |
| 22:02.24 | jeev | hey guys, udev apparently suggests not to use/enable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED* .. is it just my kernel that has it enabled? can anyone check? |
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| 22:03.47 | sly007_ | Hello, the version of phpmyadmin in lenny is affected by a security bug. How come it is still not updated? |
| 22:04.14 | twiggz | now shes pissed and installing linux mint gnome lol |
| 22:04.16 | abrotman | sly007_: is it a serious bug ? |
| 22:04.33 | sly007_ | abrotman: XSS and SQL injection vulnerabilities |
| 22:04.34 | abrotman | sly007_: though the obvious answer is: Why the heck is anyone using that thing to begin with? |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 22:04.41 | dpkg | methinks tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
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| 22:06.35 | sly007_ | abrotman: so nothing will be done? |
| 22:06.38 | themill | sly007_: what's the CVE number for this vulnerability |
| 22:06.59 | sly007_ | themill: Assigned CVE ids: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-3696 http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2009-3697 |
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| 22:07.22 | abrotman | sly007_: i didn't say that |
| 22:07.51 | abrotman | sly007_: it says they're not remove vulns |
| 22:08.45 | themill | sly007_: it will probably get fixed. The first of them isn't really anything to worry about though -- you have to create a funny named table yourself first (as I read it) |
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| 22:12.24 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I'm running debian testing and I did a dist-upgrade about 2 weeks ago, now when I run jackd, I get a whole bunch of xruns, where normally I'd only get 1 or 2. What settings can I change to fix this? |
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| 22:13.05 | dbbolton | how can i change my hwclock from local time to utc? |
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| 22:14.12 | reklama | http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42665516A5D131 |
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| 22:16.18 | simonrvn | !kill reklama |
| 22:16.18 | dpkg | subjects reklama to excruciating pain with a rusty dagger |
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| 22:17.24 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 22:17.36 | paissad-hp | i would like to run pm-suspend or reboot as simple user, so i did -> sudo visudo <- in order to edit /etc/sudoers .... but the matter is that i still cannot run thoses command as simple user .. how can i solve that ? |
| 22:17.44 | paissad-hp | here is my sudoers file http://pastebin.com/f202fd7f1 |
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| 22:24.27 | Z41d | has anyone tried to compile pidgin ? |
| 22:26.24 | twiggz | no reason to do so when testing offers the latest version... |
| 22:26.33 | twiggz | in apt repos |
| 22:26.45 | twiggz | i try not to compile anything on my desktop... |
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| 22:27.17 | twiggz | i just make sure my dedi users can compile bncs, eggs, ircds, and whatever else on my lenny server... |
| 22:27.47 | Z41d | because i didn't found a dependency "pygobject codegen" |
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| 22:28.29 | twiggz | Still, I dont understand why you are compiling a program thats readily available with aptitude repos.... |
| 22:28.56 | Z41d | i need the last version |
| 22:29.00 | Z41d | 2.6.3 |
| 22:29.11 | twiggz | debian testing has it :) |
| 22:29.21 | Z41d | but i'm on stable |
| 22:29.34 | twiggz | mike@SuicidalDreams:~$ pidgin -v |
| 22:29.35 | twiggz | Pidgin 2.6.3 (libpurple 2.6.3) |
| 22:29.35 | twiggz | mike@SuicidalDreams:~$ |
| 22:29.43 | twiggz | try debian backports |
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| 22:30.14 | Z41d | okay, thanks |
| 22:30.20 | simonrvn | !bpo |
| 22:30.21 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 22:30.28 | simonrvn | Z41d: ^^^ |
| 22:30.38 | twiggz | speaking of pidgin, ..its console counterpart...finch..it sucks compared to centerim |
| 22:30.40 | Z41d | it may helps :D |
| 22:31.14 | twiggz | finch is much to unfriendly compared to centerim |
| 22:31.43 | twiggz | I think I shall go find a channel for them to bitch |
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| 22:31.58 | twiggz | there is no finch channel...wonderful. |
| 22:32.12 | redex | =D |
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| 22:33.42 | abrotman | twiggz: it's #pidgin |
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| 22:38.39 | twiggz | done i ranted. |
| 22:38.47 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: try irssi and bitlbee |
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| 22:39.06 | twiggz | i have, i prefer to keep IM and irc seperate. |
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| 22:39.28 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: then why use pidgin? |
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| 22:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: 2 instances of irssi will do the same - unless one is a gui-junkie ;) |
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| 22:41.43 | twiggz | jpinx-eeepc: i use centerim |
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| 22:41.55 | twiggz | not pidgin |
| 22:42.44 | jpinx-eeepc | wanders off to find out what centerim is |
| 22:43.25 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions centerim |
| 22:43.25 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: centerim -- etch-backports: 4.22.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.22.5-1+b1 sid: 4.22.7-1.1 squeeze: 4.22.7-1.1 |
| 22:43.26 | p3rror | hello is there any firehol users |
| 22:44.19 | twiggz | centerim > pidgin in useability, it used to be known as centericq ... |
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| 22:46.42 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: they haven't backported the latest version yet:( |
| 22:47.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell p3rror about ask |
| 22:48.17 | p3rror | resolved |
| 22:48.18 | p3rror | :) |
| 22:48.25 | twiggz | backports are for stable... |
| 22:48.35 | jpinx-eeepc | and........? |
| 22:49.50 | twiggz | what is the version for stable? |
| 22:50.17 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: see output from judd above |
| 22:50.31 | twiggz | I have 4.22.7 on testing ..still one release behind though.. |
| 22:50.45 | thehurley | hello |
| 22:50.46 | twiggz | judd: versions centerim |
| 22:50.47 | judd | twiggz: centerim -- etch-backports: 4.22.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.22.5-1+b1 sid: 4.22.7-1.1 squeeze: 4.22.7-1.1 |
| 22:51.23 | jpinx-eeepc | nothing in backports :( |
| 22:51.35 | thehurley | i've install sudo and I want to configure it so that members of group sudo can run privileged commands, but they have to enter their password |
| 22:51.37 | jpinx-eeepc | 4.22.8 fixes yahoo |
| 22:51.50 | jpinx-eeepc | thehurley: man sudo |
| 22:52.14 | thehurley | the help in /etc/sudoers say this will all all users of group sudo to run command *without* entering password "%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" |
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| 22:52.33 | thehurley | i tried "%sudo ALL=(ALL): ALL" but that's wrong |
| 22:52.45 | action09 | back |
| 22:53.04 | jpinx-eeepc | thehurley: I repeat - man sudo - it's all in there - you can force a password and make it renew every "n" seconds |
| 22:53.16 | thehurley | k |
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| 22:53.35 | twiggz | i dont use yahoo lol. |
| 22:53.42 | twiggz | i never noticed it was broke. |
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| 22:54.12 | twiggz | yahoo is always changing up their scheme of things....they are a pain in the ass. |
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| 22:54.53 | jpinx-eeepc | still the second most popular IM around ;) |
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| 22:56.33 | jnewt | i have xrdp set up on my server, which i can use from within the network from my xp laptop, but i can't seem to use it from outside the network. i think it is a windows issue, as i have opened the proper ports and it is the front end of the network (no forwarding needed)..any ideas? |
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| 22:57.07 | jeev | hey guys, how can i get the acual source, patched to "linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 2.6.26-19lenny1 Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, oldstyle Xen support" ? |
| 22:57.08 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: fwiw - centerim takes up twice as much resources as centerim on my system |
| 22:57.24 | jpinx-eeepc | purges centerim |
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| 22:59.29 | twiggz | centerim takes up twice as much resources as centerim ? |
| 22:59.30 | twiggz | lol |
| 22:59.35 | twiggz | rephrase? |
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| 23:00.23 | twiggz | KDE4 takes up loads more than 3.5.x but you kids are eating it up regularly....*shrug* |
| 23:00.59 | twiggz | Unless you are on a 386dx I dont see where that is relavent. |
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| 23:03.10 | shahri | !tell me about soname |
| 23:03.25 | simonrvn | jeev: try apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64; cd somewhere you want to do this, because it downloads to . |
| 23:03.47 | twiggz | psh |
| 23:03.50 | simonrvn | !tell shahri -about selftell |
| 23:04.04 | shahri | hm? |
| 23:04.19 | shahri | well it worked perfectly fine |
| 23:05.08 | cesurasean | where does xinetd output errors on lenny? |
| 23:05.44 | azeem | cesurasean: don't cross-post, please |
| 23:06.27 | jeev | thanks simonrvn, i kinda got to that same point by downloading the source and patching it by hand |
| 23:06.44 | jeev | but make/make config still gives me xen errors like ".config:48:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_NO_TSS" |
| 23:06.56 | shahri | hmm, why does ldconfig do "libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so"? |
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| 23:07.02 | shahri | that doesn't seem to make sense |
| 23:07.19 | shahri | people in ##c assured me it has to be libGL.so -> libGL.so.1 -> libGL.whatever.actual.version.there.is |
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| 23:07.30 | shahri | so why libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so? |
| 23:07.42 | azeem | shahri: which GL lib is this? |
| 23:07.49 | shahri | the nvidia one |
| 23:07.52 | azeem | and which app? |
| 23:07.55 | shahri | OpenGL |
| 23:07.57 | azeem | shahri: well, ask nvidia then |
| 23:08.11 | azeem | OpenGL is not an ap |
| 23:08.11 | azeem | p |
| 23:08.11 | shahri | it's ldconfig which does this |
| 23:08.14 | shahri | the nvidia driver complains |
| 23:08.21 | azeem | you're very unspecific |
| 23:08.23 | shahri | then what do you mean by "which app"? |
| 23:08.32 | azeem | oh, ldconfig |
| 23:08.38 | shahri | no app; I execute ldconfig and-... yes |
| 23:08.46 | azeem | and what? |
| 23:08.52 | shahri | well what I said above |
| 23:08.56 | cesurasean | azeem, why not answer my question instead of complaining about how I ask it? |
| 23:08.57 | shahri | libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so |
| 23:08.59 | azeem | it outputs "libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so" and that's it? |
| 23:09.00 | shahri | which doesn't really make sense |
| 23:09.04 | shahri | ... |
| 23:09.14 | shahri | it outputs a lot of stuff, among it is libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so |
| 23:09.20 | shahri | which is strange, you'll have to agree |
| 23:09.47 | azeem | why, you're using an nvidia driver |
| 23:10.09 | shahri | well but it should be libGL.so -> libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.184.18.36 (in my case) |
| 23:10.15 | azeem | please pastebin the full output |
| 23:10.20 | shahri | of ldconfig? |
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| 23:10.22 | azeem | yes |
| 23:10.32 | shahri | I mean, there's nothing interesting in it, but if you like... second |
| 23:11.04 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/f67f47db |
| 23:11.20 | shahri | ignore the German error msgs in the first few lines, it's just about duplicate entries, nothing important |
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| 23:11.38 | azeem | is that ldconfig or some other command? |
| 23:11.43 | shahri | that's ldconfig |
| 23:11.44 | action09 | hi |
| 23:12.01 | shahri | you see it in the first 5 lines :P |
| 23:12.07 | azeem | shahri: "ldconfig" does not output much at all here |
| 23:12.22 | shahri | it's "ldconfig -v" |
| 23:12.28 | azeem | shahri: so it's not "ldconfig" |
| 23:12.32 | shahri | yes... |
| 23:12.41 | cesurasean | azeem, I'm sorry I made you mad. Do you know anything about xinetd? :) |
| 23:12.42 | shahri | ldconfig without anything doesn't ouput anything, but that's of no use to me |
| 23:12.44 | action09 | i'm reading this excellent article "http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590" and they speak about openssh version (4.8p1 and more..) how cna i know which version debian lenny's ssh-server is based on openssh... in term of functionnalities ? |
| 23:13.03 | shahri | since I want to know what it does |
| 23:13.07 | azeem | cesurasean: please ask the channel, not individuals |
| 23:13.27 | cesurasean | ok robot |
| 23:13.31 | azeem | shahri: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL*" say? |
| 23:13.47 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/f1de43976 |
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| 23:14.22 | azeem | shahri: looks consistent, no? |
| 23:14.32 | azeem | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGl.so |
| 23:14.34 | shahri | no oO |
| 23:14.41 | shahri | how is a cyclic link consistent? |
| 23:14.50 | azeem | it's L vs. l |
| 23:14.54 | shahri | look at the line before the one you posted |
| 23:15.02 | shahri | ah hm |
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| 23:15.24 | v4nelle | guys there is any app to edit subtitles on debian,like gsubedit? |
| 23:15.26 | lollan | hi, I just installed debian on a Dell Xps 1530, the wireless don't work, I installed ndiswrapper and the NDIS driver for the card. That part I've done it well, the material is seen. However still no internet, does anybody had the same situation. |
| 23:15.57 | azeem | lollan: what wifi card is it? |
| 23:16.21 | shahri | azeem: it still doesn't make much sense; libGl.so isn't supposed to be used at all |
| 23:16.25 | simonrvn | jeev: ask the channel. and don't /msg me without asking first |
| 23:16.48 | azeem | shahri: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 23:16.57 | shahri | via the install script provided by nvidia |
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| 23:17.20 | azeem | shahri: then see above |
| 23:17.24 | shahri | and it complains in the end about libGL.so.1 not pointing to the appropriate place, that is, libGL.so.185.18.36 |
| 23:17.30 | azeem | 01:07 < azeem> shahri: well, ask nvidia then |
| 23:17.35 | jeev | simonrvn, yea you were gone.. thought you'd give me a break |
| 23:17.40 | jeev | anyway, simonrvn, see what i wrote previously? |
| 23:17.42 | shahri | but it's ldconfig which screws stuff up |
| 23:17.47 | azeem | no |
| 23:17.54 | azeem | ldconfig just follows symlink AFAIK |
| 23:17.55 | jeev | i still get .. .config:48:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_NO_TSS |
| 23:17.57 | azeem | symlinks* |
| 23:17.58 | shahri | hm |
| 23:18.18 | simonrvn | jeev: so now you build it |
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| 23:19.08 | jeev | i understand simonrvn but it doesn't seem to recognize the config from /boot/config-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 23:19.10 | shahri | which symlinks would it follow? I mean, it sets the symlinks itself |
| 23:19.18 | jeev | lists all the xen options as nonexistant symbols |
| 23:19.18 | azeem | ? |
| 23:19.26 | azeem | ldconfig certainly does not set symlinks |
| 23:19.51 | simonrvn | jeev: i don't do xen, nor xen builds. |
| 23:20.15 | shahri | well then for some reason the symlinks become magically changed after executing ldconfig |
| 23:20.17 | jeev | yea, thought apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 would at elast bring the proper files in |
| 23:20.19 | jeev | thanks though |
| 23:20.22 | azeem | shahri: well, if it sets links then only because they were broken in the first place |
| 23:20.29 | shahri | yeah |
| 23:20.35 | azeem | shahri: so -> nvidia |
| 23:20.38 | action09 | hmm.. more simple, anyone knows if it's possible to use chroot sftp in openssh-server provided in Debian stable ? :) |
| 23:20.52 | simonrvn | jeev: apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 23:20.57 | shahri | I don't really see how they were broken though... it works perfectly fine after fixing stuff manually |
| 23:21.09 | shahri | I don't know where ldconfig gets the idea that libGL.so.1 should point to libGl.so |
| 23:21.12 | shahri | that's the problem |
| 23:21.12 | xhairball | lollan: Those have an Intel 4965, right? Did you try using firmware-iwlwifi? It should handle 4965. |
| 23:21.16 | shahri | where does it get that idea? |
| 23:21.21 | azeem | dunno |
| 23:21.24 | shahri | hrm |
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| 23:22.07 | jeev | simonrvn, installs 3 things but no go. |
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| 23:22.34 | jeev | i guess i've got some reading |
| 23:22.40 | simonrvn | jeev: that's just for the build deps, so it doesn't error out in the middle. |
| 23:22.41 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 23:22.41 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. |
| 23:22.50 | simonrvn | start there |
| 23:22.52 | jeev | yea i just can't find anything up to date |
| 23:23.14 | simonrvn | start there |
| 23:23.15 | nate4096 | Wondering if anyone can provide some insight as to why compiling curl with openssl support results in this error, and why the given solution works. http://pastebin.ca/1642113 |
| 23:23.44 | jeev | simonrvn, any idea why the kernel has sysfs_deprecated enabled? udev says it should be off.. http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README |
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| 23:24.41 | simonrvn | jeev: i don't know. ask the maintainers. |
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| 23:25.12 | jeev | ok thanks |
| 23:25.48 | shahri | azeem: thanks so far, I'll ask in #nvidia or look up things on ldconfig |
| 23:26.04 | azeem | shahri: in general, don't use the nvidia installer |
| 23:26.13 | azeem | do it the Debian way |
| 23:26.15 | azeem | but too late now |
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| 23:26.27 | shahri | what would be "the Debian way"? |
| 23:26.44 | shahri | free software drivers don't work for my graphics card |
| 23:26.46 | mo2000 | can someone "recomend" a pci-express graphic card that have 4 high density DVI connectors that can be configured as one X desktop?! |
| 23:26.49 | simonrvn | using the debian packages |
| 23:26.55 | shahri | they don't work |
| 23:27.03 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 23:27.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 23:27.12 | shahri | well, not for OpenGL apps |
| 23:27.29 | shahri | I don't remember what it said when I tried to launch them, but it didn't work :P |
| 23:27.33 | azeem | maybe they sit on an OpenGL couch? |
| 23:27.44 | shahri | I decided to use the nvidia drivers a long time ago |
| 23:27.46 | shahri | some months, that is |
| 23:27.49 | azeem | well, fine |
| 23:27.54 | azeem | just don't ask us about it |
| 23:28.00 | azeem | we don't support them here |
| 23:28.02 | azeem | sorry |
| 23:28.02 | shahri | yeah ok, sorry |
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| 23:28.46 | kripz | does the default mencoder for debian have h264 support? |
| 23:29.07 | jeev | simonrvn, i guess it was updated in 2.6.28 but i'm running 2.6.26-2 i guess i'll have to talk to the guy who's handling this debian package (the reason why i use it) http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/04/msg02187.html |
| 23:29.25 | p3rror | I get the following output "Unrouteable address" when trying to send a test mail to a subdomain with exim4 |
| 23:29.30 | p3rror | please can you help |
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| 23:30.14 | simonrvn | it means it doesn't know how to send it, since it can't find the address (IP/hostname). |
| 23:30.16 | [A2K]_ | hello |
| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: you'll have to show us the log messages in the exim log if you want us to be more specific, though. |
| 23:31.00 | [A2K]_ | i am making a deb package for my java application using jdpkg. How to mark config files so they will not be overwriten on update? |
| 23:31.14 | shahri | ah ok, I think I got it (I'm telling you just in case someone is interested): ldconfig deduces the way it should link libs by looking at the SONAME block of the .so files |
| 23:31.15 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, sure |
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| 23:31.24 | shahri | and libGl.so apparently contains SONAME libGL.so.1 |
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| 23:31.30 | shahri | so it sets libGL.so.1 -> libGl.so |
| 23:31.42 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, you need a trace from mainlog ? |
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| 23:31.54 | shahri | so I just need to banish libGl.so from my system... and that should work then or fuck everything up |
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| 23:32.14 | dondelelcaro | [A2K]_: if they're in /etc, and you're using debhelper, they're automatically flagged as conffiles |
| 23:32.20 | shahri | it was last changed in Januar, that's a definite argument for "banish it" |
| 23:32.27 | shahri | +y |
| 23:32.31 | ipsecnewbie | is there a package thats easy to use if i want to use ipsec on all of my lan? like use my main computer as a gateway if needed? |
| 23:32.46 | dondelelcaro | [A2K]_: if they're not in /etc, then you should move them to /etc first. [man dh_installdeb for details] |
| 23:33.21 | ipsecnewbie | my goal is to see the output of tcpdump -in eth0 encrypting |
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| 23:33.24 | ipsecnewbie | so nobody can see it either |
| 23:33.29 | shahri | yesss |
| 23:33.38 | shahri | it _does_ work; thanks everyone |
| 23:34.15 | roe_ | has anyone been able to get the Gnome sensors applet to recognize the temp on an Nvidia video card? |
| 23:34.30 | [A2K]_ | dondelelcaro: i am using this library to build a package ttp://code.google.com/p/jpkg-library/ |
| 23:36.14 | lollan | xhairball: actually I didn't I just used ndiswrapper, should I try firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 23:36.36 | dondelelcaro | [A2K]_: I've never used it; I've no clue whether it properly marks things as conffiles or not. |
| 23:37.15 | dondelelcaro | [A2K]_: specifically, things that are conffiles have an entry in conffiles in the DEBIAN directory of the control.tar.gz in the deb ar archive; the documentation for jpkg probably will tell you how to do that. |
| 23:37.34 | dondelelcaro | [A2K]_: honestly, though, if you're building Debian packages, using the Debian tools to do them is generally the way to go. |
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| 23:42.34 | kripz | i just apt-get install git, i still get git command not found? im trying to download some source code for a program |
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| 23:43.35 | jpinx-eeepc | twiggz: oops yea - centerim takes up twice what irssi uses |
| 23:44.01 | dondelelcaro | kripz: install what? |
| 23:44.08 | kripz | x264 |
| 23:44.09 | xhairball | kripz: What version are you using? There used to be a package called git that wasn't the DVCS tool. It was GNU Interactive tool or something. That package was renamed later. |
| 23:44.15 | jpinx-eeepc | and I don't use bloattop - only lxde |
| 23:44.34 | somiaj | kripz: git - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed, so you really didn't install anything |
| 23:44.56 | somiaj | kripz: try git-core, git-gui, git-<foo> depending on what you really need |
| 23:45.17 | somiaj | kripz: "apt-cache search" and "apt-cache show" will help you figure that out. |
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| 23:48.31 | EasyTUX | "iface eth0 inet auto" is enough for dhcp eth0 config in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 23:49.04 | azeem | EasyTUX: it's "iface eth0 inet dhcp" I thought |
| 23:49.25 | EasyTUX | azeem: Ok many thanks. |
| 23:49.38 | azeem | and then auto eth0 |
| 23:49.48 | somiaj | EasyTUX: you'll want the auto eth0 on another line if you want it to automatically start at bootup |
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| 23:50.31 | EasyTUX | azeem: somiaj: Ok, I put this below the latter, thanks. |
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| 23:52.20 | wamty | My VPS host, who originally only install Debian Etch as an image |
| 23:52.25 | wamty | It's possible to update that to lenny, which I've done |
| 23:52.32 | wamty | Can't update it to unstable, because that needs a newer kernel, which I can't install because it's a VPS. |
| 23:52.57 | somiaj | running unstable on a server is bad ju ju as well. |
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| 23:55.56 | wamty | ? |
| 23:58.27 | coniptor | Is there a kernel command line to disable bootsplash? |
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| 23:59.48 | sepult | does one has to use the xen kernel-image and initrd in order to |
| 23:59.48 | sepult | get hypervisor support in /sys ?? |
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