IRC log for #debian on 20091027

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00:00.20Oleg_themill: but if a person runs Lenny and doesn't update from the testing repository, it means he's running quite an outdated system
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00:00.49bloufOleg_: who's still using lenny & only lenny ?
00:00.55themillOleg_: no, it means they're running a stable, well-tested system. (And you shouldn't mix lenny and testing)
00:01.00themillblouf: most debian users
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00:01.28markybobblouf, i have around 30 servers...all lenny and only lenny
00:01.48bloufthemill: unbelievable, any recent soft's tarball will requiere libs/deps from at least squeeze, if not sid
00:02.00themillblouf: nonsense
00:02.03blouf-e
00:02.10bloufthemill: sure there is
00:02.14Oleg_but there are so many packages outdated packages that Lenny features
00:02.17CutMeOwnThroatthere is nonsense? :)
00:02.19markybobblouf, not where servers are concerned
00:02.23Oleg_I mean
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00:02.33scott_cI'm trying to clone my current system using bootcd, but when I run bootcd I get the following error message: http://pastebin.com/m257cbabf and no ISO is created.  It looks like the variable $SRCDI isn't being set in the script, but I'm not sure what its value is supposed to be.
00:02.40Oleg_Packages on Lenny are outdated
00:02.43themillblouf: you have a very strange view of "any recent software"
00:02.50themillheats up the troll stamp
00:03.29themillOleg_, blouf: do you actually have a debian user support question that you want to ask?
00:03.39markybobOleg_, time often has to do with stability.  stable debian is rock solid because it's not bleeding edge.  that's not a reason not to use it
00:03.55redDEADresolvescott_c, did you run the comand as root?
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00:04.00scott_credDEADresolve: yes
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00:05.33scott_chttp://omploader.org/vMm1xZw/bootcdwrite this is the script that is being run.  I haven't modified anything, it's the default installation.  But it doesn't set $SRCDI properly (I think) so that messes up genisoimage (run via mkisofs)
00:05.52redDEADresolvescott_c, damn has this worked for you in the past?
00:06.08scott_cnope
00:06.15scott_cfirst time i've tried doing it
00:06.33redDEADresolvescott_c, i have to run but have you every tried clonezilla
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00:07.24scott_cno, i havent
00:07.42jhutchinsOn the other hand, there is software out there that has just barely updated to run with lenny instead of etch.
00:08.27jhutchins(And plenty of documentation that doesn't work past sid)
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00:10.45RoStErsome help please
00:10.59RoStErW: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
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00:11.11themilldpkg: tell RoStEr about new archive key
00:11.43markybobRoStEr, know what's really cool?  if you had googled that ID, you should've had your fix in the first result
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00:12.25jaggzpower failure shouldn't result in the loss of old files (which hadn't been touched in months) on an ext3 fs should it??
00:12.25RoStEroh well
00:12.29RoStErme is noob
00:12.31RoStErthanks anyway
00:12.43jaggzI just started working on my project (svn checkout) and noticed files missing
00:12.47CutMeOwnThroatmarkybob, and in the 2nd and 3rd!
00:12.59themillmarkybob: you'd also get a lot of stumbling around in the dark too
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00:13.00\amethystjaggz:  if it was in a directory that was being updated when it crashed
00:13.18\amethystjaggz:  then it could lose the file (since the directory would be corrupted, and nothing would point to the file)
00:13.28\amethystjaggz:  then again, replaying the log should have fixed that
00:13.33jaggzbut with ext3 is it possible for the directory to be corrupt?
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00:14.32TestamentHello
00:14.48Testamentsomeone knows how to disable encryption on cups plz ?
00:14.49\amethysthm, I'm not sure if directory contents are considered 'metadata' (as opposed to 'data') for the purposes of journalling with the default data=ordered
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00:15.05CutMeOwnThroatalthough... they're not so good solutions as what we give :)
00:15.47jaggzhm.. I don't know anything about the logs..
00:15.58ianjanyone know what happened to the squeeze ISOs on cdimage.debian.org?
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00:17.59abrotmanianj: the daily images are there
00:18.05lindenleI cannot seam to set my wep key in ad-hoc mode with my wireless card, can anyone help (SET failed).
00:18.05Testamentthe option DefaultEncryption Never <- dosent work, cups always asks for encryption and the log says "Unable ton encrypt connection from 192.168.1.4  an unexpepcted TLS handshake packet was recieved
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00:18.45ianji don't see daily
00:18.52ianji just see directories for weekly builds, but they're all empty
00:18.52abrotmanthey're there
00:19.00abrotmanyou're looking in the wrong place
00:19.00ianj(on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimages/weekly-builds)
00:19.16ianjah
00:19.24ianjthe link on the debian website is just wrong
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00:20.09abrotmannot really .. those images will be there eventually
00:20.16ianjeventually?
00:20.18AljosHaHey if i am connected true SSH to mashine in other country means true internet, if i do smth like changing eth0 will i get cut from internet?because i got other vlan and i need to add other ips, this wont be able for usable anymore?
00:20.46abrotmanianj: I'll guess that they will be .. weekly images are basically useless, squeeze is changing quite a bit each day, let alone in a week
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00:20.59ianjhmm
00:21.03dondelelcaroAljosHa: if you're connected via ssh, and you bring down eth0, and that's the interface you're connected with, yes.
00:21.04\amethystAljosHa:  you'll lose the connection if you take down that IP address or the whole interface
00:21.08ianjthere's only businesscard and netinst available?
00:21.20\amethystAljosHa:  you can add an interface without disrupting the existing ones though
00:21.21dondelelcaroAljosHa: that's why you generally have a serial console for these sorts of things
00:22.01\amethystAljosHa:  with ip addr add  or by configuring e.g. eth0:0
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00:22.52ianji guess that will do... i just want to get a test system running to see if i can get emerald working in squeeze before i update my actual debian box from lenny
00:22.54AljosHaaha well i have eth0 and eth0:0 and i am connected for example on ip whats listen in eth0:0 and if i just change ip of eth0 will i get disconnected?
00:22.55abrotmanianj: i just explained why
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00:23.32ianjyeah. netinst will do
00:23.39dondelelcaroAljosHa: depends how you do it
00:23.44ianji just hope getting emerald in won't be a pain
00:24.00dondelelcaroAljosHa: generally, you just use ip addr to bring up the new address
00:24.10dondelelcaro(and don't bother to remove the old one)
00:24.15abrotmanianj: i don't think that's in debian ?
00:24.19ianjright
00:24.38ianji've been using the shame repositories for lenny to get emerald, but the guy who did those died last year, so there isn't one for squeeze
00:24.42ianji'll have to put it in myself
00:25.03abrotman!tell ianj about dr17
00:25.12ianj?
00:25.21abrotmansee what the bot told you
00:25.31abrotman(unless emerald isn't part of e17?)
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00:27.09AljosHaaha dondelelcaro and if it use different gateway and bcast odes that make problem? can you give me example with ip addr how to bring new ip to that interface?
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00:28.01CutMeOwnThroatlabrea looks like a funny toy
00:28.32donspauldingrun-parts --test /etc/cron.daily lists a symlink with #!/bin/sh as the shell, but not #!/bin/bash is there a reason for this?
00:29.00nsadmina symlink wouldn't have a file itself
00:29.05nsadminit would refer to a file
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00:30.02dondelelcaroAljosHa: ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0; or simlar
00:30.08nsadminalso... if you say #!/bin/sh you're saying also there are no "bashisms" in the script... if there are, this would be a bug if it were contained in a debian-distributed package
00:30.37nsadminif there -are- "bashisms", then you have to #!/bin/bash in order to avoid being a bug
00:30.40donspauldingit's not a debian script, it's my own, and I want to use some bashisms (namely the source command)
00:30.59\amethystdonspaulding:  posix sh has source, it's just called '.'
00:31.07\amethystdonspaulding:  otherwise it's exactly the same
00:31.15\amethystas 'source' that is
00:31.15donspauldingchecks if '.' works in his script.
00:31.19AljosHatnx dondelelcaro
00:31.42\amethystdonspaulding:  (of course this assumes that the thing you source isn't bash-specific; if it is, the whole script needs to be #! /bin/bash
00:31.46\amethyst)
00:32.11donspaulding\amethyst: I didn't write it, so it's probably posix-compliant ;-)
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00:32.48CutMeOwnThroatgood to see you have confidence in yourself
00:32.49nsadminI'm confused about some details here... you're saying it's your own script but you're also saying you didn't write it?
00:33.07nsadmindo you just mean it's not part of a debian package?
00:33.07CutMeOwnThroatnsadmin, he stole it himself, so it's his?
00:33.16donspauldingnsadmin: no, I wrote the one that needs a 'source' command, but the one I'm sourcing is not of my writing.
00:33.34nsadminoh, understood
00:33.35AljosHadondelelcaro whats package for "ip" cos i dont have it installed?
00:33.49nsadminjudd versions ip
00:33.52juddnsadmin: ip --
00:34.11nsadminhmm, it's not ip :)
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00:34.35nsadminjudd versions ip-utils
00:34.38juddnsadmin: ip-utils --
00:35.31AljosHaaha
00:35.44nsadminiproute: /sbin/ip
00:35.52nsadminso it's iproute
00:36.39nsadminbtw... judd and dpkg are nice bots... you can /msg them too
00:37.27AljosHatnx installed it
00:37.35swayif i need firmware to complete a netinstall, is there a manual or reference out there i could read by chance?
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00:39.06xhairballdpkg is a bloot/info bot, right?  What is judd?
00:39.07dpkgxhairball: i don't know
00:39.26CutMeOwnThroathehe
00:40.44donspauldingwell now I'm bestumpt
00:42.16swaylooks like there's a 'tarball of common firmware packages' for people who need firmware installed to complete an install @ www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
00:42.17donspauldingrun-parts --test still doesn't find my script, though the contents are exactly the same as one that it does find.
00:42.35donspauldingboth symlink targets are executable, readable by root.
00:42.44abrotmandonspaulding: what is the name?
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00:43.08donspauldingflorence.sh
00:43.45abrotmanget rid of the .sh
00:44.11donspauldingsunofa
00:44.21abrotmanwaits for his beer ...
00:44.45donspauldingnext time you're in the birthplace of Steak N' Shake, you let me know, it's yours.
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00:45.11abrotmanchicago ?
00:45.18markybobi *love* steak n' shake.  i go there all the time
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00:46.13donspauldingabrotman: close, Bloomington, IL
00:46.15CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, yes?
00:46.34abrotmandonspaulding: bleh .. i'll be in WI in a few months .. closest i'll get sadly
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00:47.01markybobabrotman, WI?  are you sure that's what you want?  friends dont let friends move to WI  :P
00:47.08abrotmanmarkybob: visiting family
00:47.21donspauldingunless said friends raise Holstein cows.
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00:49.20CutMeOwnThroataw, that reminds me... I let alcohol awareness week pass without getting drunk :(
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00:49.27ianjsqueeze hasn't been built for i386 since june, eh?
00:49.36markybobwtf
00:50.11ianjhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/arch-latest
00:50.13karstenabrotman: cheeseheads?
00:50.26Dawgmatixis there someway to get apt-get to download package hierarchies in a different directory hierarchy (eg /opt instead of /) ?
00:50.43abrotmanianj: i told you .. you're looking in the wrong place
00:50.53ianjno, i'm looking at daily builds now
00:50.54karstenDawgmatix: Um, why?
00:50.54abrotmanDawgmatix: it's not a good idea
00:50.57abrotmanianj: nope
00:51.08karstenDawgmatix: No, there's no relocate equivalent to RPM.
00:51.11ianjthen where is squeeze?
00:51.34Dawgmatixwell - i am working on an embedded device (arm) and want to use some of the debian packages without trampling all over the existing installation
00:51.36abrotmanianj: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ .. have a nice day
00:51.41karstenDawgmatix: You can arbitrarily unpack a package wherever you want.  There are a few other options if you'll give us a better idea of what you're trying to do.
00:51.49markybobianj, you should listen to abrotman
00:51.50karstenDawgmatix: I'd build a chroot and work in that.
00:52.00swayif there's no available interface to complete the netinstall, will there be something installed?
00:52.09abrotmansway: yes, a base system
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00:52.14swayabrotman: thank you
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00:52.21karstenDawgmatix: In fact, that's probably the best way to approach your project as a whole.
00:52.23ianjah, OK
00:52.24Dawgmatixkarsten I have been manually downloading the packages and extracting them using ar, but wanted to leverage the package dependency resolution from apt
00:52.32AljosHadondelelcaro i did add ips true ip addr and it works i ssh from them now but in ifconfig i still on eth0 and eth0:0 have my first ips?
00:52.34pistacheDawgmatix: chroot
00:52.37karstenDawgmatix: chroot
00:52.58dondelelcaroAljosHa: yes, that's what it'll do
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00:53.14Dawgmatixokay - i dont know if this is crazy - can I just download the packages for arm in the chroot on an x86 machine ?
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00:53.54AljosHaand after reboot box or what i need to do to have this new ips in ifconfig listed?
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00:54.01karstenDawgmatix: You won't be able to run them there, obviously.
00:54.12Dawgmatixyes thats fine :)
00:54.18karstenDawgmatix: ... but for a cross-build environment it should work.
00:54.25Dawgmatixawesome :)
00:54.36Dawgmatixthis is the kind of awesome that i love about debian :)
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00:54.46karstenDawgmatix: if there's an arm emulator you'd be able to run them as well :)
00:55.06Dawgmatix:)
00:55.18karstenDawgmatix: chroot's are pretty nifty.  For d/l'ing stuff, I think it gets a little more complicated.
00:55.30Dawgmatixokay ...
00:55.34swaydoes module assistant come on a base system?
00:55.39karstenDawgmatix: ... as you'll need the arm version of apt-get.
00:55.47markybobsway, no.  apt-get install module-assistant
00:55.51karstenDawgmatix: Unless there's a hack to force a different arch.
00:55.51Dawgmatixoic
00:56.04swaymarkybob: i need to build the firmware to access the repos
00:56.14Dawgmatixlet me read more about chroot to see whats possible
00:56.20karstenDawgmatix: http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian
00:56.34karstenDawgmatix: embedian.
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00:56.50Dawgmatixcool - thanks
00:56.51karsten!embedian
00:56.52dpkgit has been said that emdebian is a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian.  It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux.  Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
00:57.25karstenDawgmatix: That's probably your best first bet for a real solution.
00:57.56karstenDawgmatix: project page and FAQ from the link I gave you: http://www.emdebian.org/  http://wiki.debian.org/EmbeddedDebianFAQ
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00:58.34swaynevermind
00:58.55swaythey're already built
00:59.45CutMeOwnThroatwonders what debora thinks about embedian
00:59.50karstenDawgmatix: And qemu will do ARM emulation.  Last time I played w/ qemu (x86 emu) it was maybe 1/10 real in terms of performance.  This may have improved.
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01:00.08karstenCutMeOwnThroat: You would.
01:00.18CutMeOwnThroatit's now 1/20 - twice as fast
01:00.26karstenCutMeOwnThroat: You're probably interested in something other than ARM emulation on qemu as well.
01:00.32karstenCutMeOwnThroat: Heh.
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01:00.37Dawgmatixkarsten 1/10 is good enough for me.
01:00.53karstenDawgmatix: Nice question.  I learned some stuff :)
01:00.54Dawgmatixthe device I have is 200 MHz and my machines 2.5 GHz
01:00.57CutMeOwnThroatno, I'm actually interested since I got an N810 with an arm processor...
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01:01.16CutMeOwnThroatI'm less interested since the external 8GB card I plugged in stopped working with the device
01:01.31AljosHadondelelcaro can you just tell me how to fix it in ifconfig in eth0 that i have new ip writed?
01:01.49CutMeOwnThroatI managed to cross-compile "less", but not much more
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01:02.02CutMeOwnThroatand gave up because it was non-trivial
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01:04.54Dawgmatixkarsten - do you know anything about debootstrap ?
01:05.17Dawgmatixit seems that it would do everything I need it to (i already have wget and binutils on the arm machine)
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01:16.12karstenDawgmatix: a little bit.
01:16.21karstenDawgmatix: I don't think debootstrap will work cross-arch.
01:16.40Dawgmatixoic
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01:17.04Dawgmatixsince the dependency list is so short I might just port debootstrap over and do the downloads on the device
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01:18.22redDEADresolveanyone know where i can find a repository for chromium in debian?
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01:18.47david_gI'm having a problem with realVNC. It is giving me black/white links (or dots). I reinstalled the software three times and it still isn't fixed.
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01:21.04markybobdavid_g, dont use realvnc :P  do you use gnome?  if so, you vino.
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01:22.07redDEADresolvedavid_g, was it working for you before?
01:22.38adbredDEADresolve, http://www.4shared.com/file/141317469/ef0f6544/google-chrome-unstable_402226-r28902_i386.html?err=no-sess
01:23.04redDEADresolveadb, thats chrome not chromium but thank you very much
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01:23.28abrotmanredDEADresolve: maybe ask google ?
01:23.53tbsaundewhat do people now about getting kvm to build wrt bug 531829
01:24.22redDEADresolveabrotman, i have. oh have i asked.
01:27.19david_gno
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01:27.24david_gi just installed it
01:27.28david_gredDEADresolve
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01:30.08redDEADresolvedavid_g, you go through thesetup guide? this one has one tips and tricks http://www.wikihow.com/Use-RealVNC
01:38.02david_gno, i have not. thanks.
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01:39.11CaT[t3]should -t work with 'apt-get source'?
01:40.02Qewyes
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01:40.17CaT[t3]glares at his and kicks it. work damn you. work.
01:40.35Qewobviously, you'll need the relevant lines in your sources.list file
01:40.51CaT[t3]i think I just clued into where I screwed up :)
01:41.13CaT[t3]nope. that was not it.
01:41.34limpiohi all, just install Lenny, when i try to instllall the package openoffice.org, it gives me a dependency problem with openoffice.org-calc and tells me it's not gonna be installed. Is this a bug? any ideas?
01:42.49abrotmanlimpio: aptitude update .. try again
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01:44.22QewCaT[t3]: say you want to grab the debianised source from unstable, you'll need to add the deb-src unstable line to your sources.list file. Then you'll have to hit apt-get update, then apt-get -t unstable source [package]
01:45.50CaT[t3]yeah. that's what I'm doing (except I'm using apt-get -t etch) and it insists on not bothering with it.
01:46.24Qewuse oldstable
01:47.02CaT[t3]well, that's annoying. why wont the names work?
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01:50.18camlinI have a quick question. I'm writing network programs and I need the developer manpages. How can I get them?
01:50.30prince_jammysmanpages-dev
01:50.42camlinsudo apt-get install manpages-dev?
01:50.48prince_jammysyes
01:50.58camlinthank you very much
01:51.07camlinoff to #perl now :)
01:51.11prince_jammyswelcome
01:53.43Oleg_Okay, my friend is running Debian Etch and he wants to install libevent and memcached
01:54.30Oleg_I guess I installed them for him
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01:59.12TidersDoes Debian have the same hardware support (such as Nvidia drivers etc) as Ubuntu would?
01:59.44dondelelcaroTiders: it can, though there are some cases where we do not distribute them in main, as they violate the DFSG.
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02:00.05TidersDFSG?
02:00.59dondelelcaro!dfsg
02:00.59dpkgsomebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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02:01.27likevinylis away: un toque por si las moscas van y otro toque por si vas detras...
02:02.07dondelelcarolikevinyl: please turn that off; we don't need to know if you're away
02:03.27CutMeOwnThroatwhat was the name again of the program to syncronize the two different copy&paste buffers
02:04.27CutMeOwnThroatautocutsel!
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02:07.38Oleg_My friend is getting this error:
02:07.41Oleg_Fatal error: Class 'Memcache' not found in /home/naughtybits/naughtybits.me.uk/classes/class_cache.php on line 213
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02:09.50nsadminOleg_: what's your question about that
02:10.36Oleg_well, I did "apt-get install php5-memcache" for him, but he still can't load the web page. He's getting that error
02:12.20nsadminmaybe you need to restart something
02:12.31nsadminlike the web server
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02:13.09nsadminand maybe the php code needs to explicitly include it in the php source? not sure at all on that part.
02:14.20nsadminbut you or him should restart the server and watch the log to see if the php module for the Memcache class loads.
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02:15.18nsadmin(see if it shows you -any- php modules loading while you watch the server log... not seeing any is probably evidence it won't show you about memcache)
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02:18.07nsadminlooks like #php is experiencing some sort of problem, maybe a join attack
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02:19.09CutMeOwnThroat\o/
02:19.19CutMeOwnThroatoh, I read a joint attack there
02:20.14abrotmannsadmin: you mean ##php ?
02:21.17ElllisDHow do I set in apt-build the equivalent to apt-get's --no-install-recommends switch?
02:21.45nsadminabrotman: solved (nick id)
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02:24.53abrotmannsadmin: yeah .. they don't take kindly to your kind!
02:25.20Oleg_I don't understand. It looks like apache is running on his server, but it's not installed in /etc/init.d
02:25.47nsadminthey're not answering at all
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02:26.27abrotmananswering about what ?
02:27.04nsadminwait yes they are
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02:32.18maladminhey all, i've newly installed apache2 and ssl doesnt seem to work correctly, from what i can see mod_ssl isnt loading correctly, noting in my logs though
02:32.32maladminany help appreciated :-)
02:32.49nicolehello, imsorry, not vry skillful with linux, but my brother installed it on m moms cmputer and i want it on mine. Ihave a working live debian usb, is it posible for me to install debian to my laptop using that usb? When it  starts the computer, it only has the live otion and another one i dont remember but it doest instal.
02:34.03nicolemaybe if any could point me to a tutorial about it, that would be greatly ppreciated
02:34.08maladminnicole, unless you know where that usb came from i suggest you start fresh, download the latest version from debian.org
02:34.23maladmindo you know how to burn an iso?
02:34.27nicoleoh, its a usb my brother gave me
02:34.53nicolefor me to use linux and get used to it
02:35.51maladmindid you see this already? http:/d-i.pascal.at
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02:36.13maladminno experts awake today?
02:36.49maladminirc.debian.org
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02:37.19abrotmanor don't wait around ...
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02:44.22phorce1wht is freaking radeontool trying to install as a "dependency" of lxde? I have no stinking radeon on this machine. Does aptitude default to installing "suggests"?
02:44.40phorce1s/wht/why/
02:45.02limpioabrotman: aptitude update solved the problem, thx again!
02:45.24abrotmanthat took awhile .. enjoy
02:45.34abrotmanphorce1: did you use -R ?
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02:46.45phorce1abrotman: no
02:46.51abrotmanyou might want to try
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02:47.12phorce1abrotman: exatly, "aptitude install lxde lxterminal"
02:47.32abrotmanaptitude -R install lxde lxterminal
02:48.40phorce1abrotman: ahh, it defaults to installing recommends, not suggests
02:48.57abrotmanright
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02:50.03phorce1I saw that before but paid no heed because on my main box with terabytes of storage and gigs of RAM I just don't care. On the touchscreen with 100G HD and 256Meg RAM I care a bit more
02:51.11abrotman100G?
02:52.03cuscohi
02:52.45phorce1abrotman: yeah -- not so worried about drive space, more worried about stuf that may decide to be memory eating daemons
02:52.53cuscolike that is not enough...
02:52.59phorce1Can't upgrade the RAM at all
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02:53.07abrotmanphorce1: TouchBook ?
02:53.37phorce1abrotman: advantech embedded system intended to be a "photo printing" kiosk
02:53.52abrotmanokay then ...
02:54.00phorce1laptop/deskto hybrid with a 12.1" touchscreen
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02:55.01phorce1Celeron 466 and I think I have the "early model" mainboard that can't go above 500MHz CPU. Later versions could go to a PIII-850
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02:56.46Oleg_okay, I have a basic Linux question. How do I kill a specific process when I know the pid number of that process?
02:56.55phorce1There needs to be an "archivers" metapackages that installs all of them (rar, zip, bzip2, etc)
02:57.12phorce1Oleg_: kill [pid]
02:57.44phorce1Oleg_: perhaps with a signal modifier
02:58.08phorce1Oleg_: type kill -l to see the signals
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03:09.07ma3xhi can you install iceweasel 3.5.3 on etch? / how
03:09.32simonrvnon etch? no. why are you still on etch?
03:10.06ma3xsorry lenny
03:10.13ma3xlennys stable right?
03:11.19faheemma3x: yes
03:11.43faheemma3x: probably not very easily, but you could try building a backport.
03:12.02faheemor possibly some sort of local installation
03:12.10faheemor a statically linked binary
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03:36.51melissaokay so I've just installed debian with KDE on my desktop machine.  I'm running dual monitors on an ATI Radeon x1300 series AGP video card, I've scoured through pages and pages of google search results and can't figure out how to configure my xorg.conf to allow me to change the resolution of each monitor seperately.  Has anyone encountered this type of problem before?
03:37.12melissahttp://pastebin.ca/1644664 My Xorg.conf/LSPCI output
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03:38.35_Trinity_hey all
03:38.41roe!xinerama
03:38.41dpkg[xinerama] where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>.
03:39.08roeI do not know what kind of support fglrx has though
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03:39.14_Trinity_say, I noticed iron browser isn't in the repos. Is there any special reason why?
03:39.41roeis it gpled?
03:39.42melissaroe, what is fglrx?
03:39.50_Trinity_It's got all the google spyware deactivated and it's OSS
03:39.56roethe ati/amd driver, I believe
03:40.30melissaI have the ATI Control center installed successfully, with Xinerama enabled.
03:41.22_Trinity_and debranded
03:41.34roe_Trinity_, if it is license compatible then it probably isn't packaged because no one has packaged it
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03:42.07roemelissa, did you look at your xorg.conf?
03:42.47_Trinity_yeah, I guess so because it's bsd licensed
03:42.50melissaroe, yes, but I'm not 100% sure what to look for and rather than mess it up, I thought I should ask.
03:43.04roemelissa, from your xorg.conf, Device section: Driver      "fglrx"
03:44.08roeI have always stuck with nvidia.  They have their own way of implementing dual screens, so I can't help too much with it.  But last I checked (~2years ago) it was poorly implemented
03:44.18roeusing fglrx
03:44.51roemelissa, do you want separate frame buffers or "one large desktop"?
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03:45.30melissaRoe, One large desktop with both monitors having the same resolution, 1024x768 is my perferred
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03:45.47roeso your desktop would be 2048x768?
03:46.01melissayes.
03:46.42ElllisDHello, I need your help.
03:47.07roemelissa, googling: fglrx dual screens should return some useful results for you
03:48.16nsadminElllisD:
03:48.21nsadmin!ask
03:48.22dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:51.38ElllisDI want to make apt-get always skip recommended packages by altering a config file rather than typing --no-install-recommends every time. The box is headless, so I can't just uncheck the radio button in synaptic. Where's this behavior defined?
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04:12.47phorce1ElllisD: echo 'apt:install-recommends "false";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01norecommends
04:13.31phorce1oops --- ElllisD
04:13.41phorce1ElllisD: echo 'apt::install-recommends "false";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01norecommends
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04:13.53phorce1note the extra colon after apt:
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04:24.26Suzuran42I'm having an odd problem with x11 on unstable. Is it OK to ask about that here?
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04:25.39simonrvn!unstable
04:25.39dpkg[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system!  Ask me about <break>.  Not supported here, in general.  It's also newspeak for not stable.  If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.  apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!)  See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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04:30.16wtare there any known issues with the core i7 processor and debian kernels 2.6.3{0,1}?
04:31.19somiajwt: bug reports are the places to check for known issues
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04:37.59wtsomiaj: thanks, but I counldn't find my oops in the bugs
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04:43.18somiajwt: well if you think its a bug I'd fill out a report. But if there is no mention of the bug there I wouldn't call it a known issue.
04:43.23nsadminwt: oh, so you have some information... good :)
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04:44.07nsadminbut... this is volunteers, and you should volunteer the information you have :)
04:44.39wtI wanted to make sure to add my info to the right place
04:44.40Gratz474how can i just remove a package and not any depencies of it ?
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04:45.00nsadminthe right place was in your original question here
04:45.06wtBasically, on my Core i7, it crashes when I start a really long ssh session that writes data to the disk.
04:45.13nsadminand the info to volunteer is:
04:45.22nsadmin<PROTECTED>
04:45.41somiajGratz474: that is how remove works, apt-get remove <package>. It removes the package but none of it's dependencies. Anything else it removes are things that 'depend' on that package and it is right to remove them else those packages would be broken.
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04:48.37wtIs there a way to cause the kerneloops packages to send a previous oops?
04:49.23Gratz474how can I add a directory to my path?
04:49.25Gratz474for good that is
04:49.49nsadminthe path is an environment variable
04:50.11nsadminenvironment variables are variables attached to a process
04:50.17nsadmina shell can be a process
04:50.44somiajGratz474: the PATH enviorment variable is usually set in your $HOME/.bashrc
04:50.44Gratz474I would like to add a directory to my path
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04:50.59somiajGratz474: but that only effects shells that are launched with bash
04:51.04Gratz474i would like some bins from a directory in my home to run from the shell
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04:51.57nsadminGratz474: you can set bash or sh vars with SomeVar="the value"
04:52.43nsadminif you want that var to be exported to each process the shell spawns, you would: export SomeVar # (note case sensitivity)
04:53.11nsadminif you type that at your shell, it lasts until that shell process dies
04:53.37nsadminanother feature of shells:"
04:53.53nsadminthey read files at startup
04:54.05nsadminand interpret them in the shell's language
04:54.10Gratz474.gem/ruby/1.8/bin is not your PATH,
04:54.10Gratz474<PROTECTED>
04:54.16Gratz474I need to add that to my path
04:54.43nsadminwhere is .gem?
04:54.49Gratz474home
04:54.50kingsleyGratz474: Try something like PATH=PATH:.gem/ruby/1.8/bin
04:55.13Gratz474will that do it for good ?
04:55.16nsadminkingsley: won't work if the cwd of the shell is not his home dir
04:55.17Gratz474or just that terminal?
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04:55.34somiajGratz474: if you use bash, modify the PATH line in your ~/.bashrc file
04:55.34kingsleyGratz474: Just that terminal.
04:55.37macrobatPATH=$PATH:.gem/ruby/1.8/bin    , right?
04:55.54Gratz474maybe I should just re install :)
04:55.55Gratz474as root
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04:56.15nsadminjust to run ruby? reinstall what?
04:56.43kingsleyGratz474: As nsadmin suggested, if you expect to run gem from anywhere other than your home directory, you should fully qualify that part of the path.
04:56.47macrobatGratz474: reinstall will not get you an extra  dir in your path
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04:57.01wthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/393292 <-- found one
04:57.17kingsleyGratz474: Try something like PATH=PATH:/home/Gratz474/.gem/ruby/1.8/bin
04:58.26wthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/455924 <-- another
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05:03.41wtI am going to turn on the automatic oops submission
05:03.41Xirescan anyone recommend a good way to forbid anything X related?
05:03.48nsadminremove x
05:04.07mase_wkhey guys, I am currently using debian lenny and would like to enable http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/ so that I can update libvirtd as per this http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/
05:04.14mase_wki have the following added in my sources
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05:04.25mase_wkdeb http://packages.debian.org/debian-backports lenny/backports main
05:04.47mase_wkbut i get the following error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
05:05.24nsadminwhat is it that's trying to gunzip the stdin?
05:05.26mase_wki am guessing the line in my sources is incorrect. Can anyone enlightenme as to what i have done wrong
05:05.37mase_wkapt
05:05.43mase_wkthats on an apt-get update
05:06.01nsadminprobably you want somethign like...
05:06.17harkmase_wk: /msg dpkg bpo
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05:06.50nsadmindeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian-backports lenny/backports
05:08.05nsadminno, that was a bad guess
05:09.42Oleg_Okay, I have some basic Linux questions
05:09.44harkyou need main at the end
05:10.14mase_wkhark: yeh i tried that, didn't seem to like it will play around some more
05:10.17Oleg_I want only root and one specific user to own a folder and everything in  it
05:10.38nsadminyou can use a group
05:10.46Oleg_I mean, I want only a root user and a specific user have an access to that folder
05:10.54nsadminyou can use a group
05:11.02Oleg_dunno how
05:11.19nsadminwell root has access to everything
05:11.24Oleg_yeah, I am still a n00b even though year 2000 was the first time I installed linux :)
05:11.29nsadminso you don't need anything special for that
05:11.30Oleg_yeah, I understand
05:12.07mase_wkOleg_: the chmod command is what you use to change file / folder permissions
05:12.21nsadminwell you can also have the folder be owned by the user you want
05:12.40nsadminare you sure you'll never want "
05:12.42nsadminerr
05:12.59Oleg_nsadmin: yeah, I want only one user to own that folder and have an access to it, though root will still be able to access it
05:12.59nsadminare you sure you'll never want "root and N users" to have access to the folder?
05:13.20mase_wkOleg_: root can always access everything if he / she so chooses
05:13.34harkmase_wk: use the same sources.list line in the factoid and it should work.
05:13.34nsadminok, so create the folder
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05:13.40Oleg_yeah, I understand; that's why I said that
05:14.02Oleg_what about the chown command?
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05:14.15mase_wkhark: that factoid didn't work. What is bpo ?
05:14.21nsadminwe'll get there, that is the command to use to change the owner
05:14.34mase_wkhark: rather , i didn't get the factoid...it just said /msg dpkg bpo
05:14.37Oleg_Okay, folder is there
05:14.52nsadminwhat is its fully qualified path name?
05:14.53Oleg_and now I need to run the chmod command?
05:14.58nsadmincorrect
05:15.20Oleg_it's /home/tiger2
05:15.46nsadminok, so /home/tiger2 is not a user home dir?
05:16.20Oleg_well, I am afraid I did something in the past that made it insecure
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05:17.35harkmase_wk: nsadmin's sources.list line is not the one.  dpkg is a bot here, or just read the instructions at backports.org
05:17.50nsadminOleg_: echo "tiger2's home dir is " ~tiger2
05:17.55Oleg_nsadmin: I think I ran chmod a+rwx on that folder in the past, but now I need to make it secure, so only tiger2 and root would have an access to it
05:18.32nsadminok, so it -is- a user's home dir
05:19.04wtthe damn oops isn't caught in logs....arggggg :)
05:19.07mase_wkhark: awesome, i messaged dpkg and it gave me the factoid. Thank you
05:19.41harknp
05:19.56nsadminOleg_: ls -ld ~tiger2
05:20.06nsadminshould be one line
05:20.26mase_wkhark: so the unofficial backports repo contains the same backports as http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/ ?
05:20.29Oleg_drwxr-x--- 4
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05:21.02Oleg_what does it mean?
05:21.19nsadminwell that's not the whole line
05:21.20nsadminbut
05:21.25nsadminthat much means...
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05:21.56melissasadly, I'm back...:(  This time I looking for a doc on performance tuning Lenny that does not assume the user has vast quantities of knowledge
05:22.26nsadmin"owner has rwx, group has rx but no w, all others have nothing" and "there are four non-symbolic links pointing to the inode representing this file"
05:22.40harkmase_wk: they are the same. the p.d.o site just lists them, like it lists other debian packages (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/)
05:22.42mase_wkmelissa: what part do you want to performance tune ?
05:22.43Xiresnsadmin; it's a clean installation of debian-netinstall..I want to prevent(aka 'forbid') X related packages from being installed(even accidentally) in the future
05:23.04mase_wkhark: ok cool .Thanks again for your help
05:23.06Oleg_what group?
05:23.11mase_wkgot the package installed :)
05:23.24nsadminXires: don't give out root password, don't install x related packages yourself
05:23.30melissamase_wk, well, anything and everything I can tune to get every ounce of speed out of my box.
05:23.45Xiresnsadmin; "I don't know" would have sufficed
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05:24.05nsadminXires: no, that's the answer
05:24.40nsadminthere is -not- a way to prevent root from doing anything on that machine
05:24.43mase_wkmelissa: yeh but speed is always a trade off. You sacrifice one thing for another. It depends what your doing , what application your running or what task you are finding slow as to how to tune it
05:25.34Oleg_nsadmin: on any linux system, root is omnipowerful; he will always have permissions to anything?
05:25.45nsadminjust about
05:26.08melissaokay, I mostly use my desktop for web-browsing and office work and the occasional jaunt into simutrans.  She runs slow though, even just in browsing through directories.
05:26.29mase_wkmelissa: ok so disk IO is slow ?
05:26.38melissayes.
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05:26.54melissacpu is heavily utilized in just basic operations as well
05:27.18mase_wkmelissa: well you can use the hdparm utility ( the flags which work will depend on your particular disk ) to work with diskIO
05:27.25nsadminmelissa: what cpu do you have? how much ram?
05:27.28mase_wkthat will also let you see your actual throughput
05:27.36melissaone sec I'll pastebin it.
05:27.45mase_wkalso RAM is important , if you don't have enough you will swap
05:27.49melissaI have 1 gig of p100 (the only ram this elderly P4 supports)
05:27.52mase_wkwhich will give you poor everything performance
05:28.07Xiresnsadmin; a package may be marked as "forbidden"..though it may only be for a specific version..I am wondering if there is a core package(e.g. x11 core C libs or better) that can be marked as 'forbidden'..combined with disallowing dependencies to break 'forbidden' rules, this *should* prevent X and related tools from being installed..I want to know which packages would be best to set as 'forbidden' and if it's possible to set it globa
05:28.07Xireslly for all versions of the package
05:28.10nsadminmelissa: hmm, sounds like plenty
05:28.34mase_wkmelissa: i have worse than a P4 running fine here so that should be ok provided your not using too much of it for background stuff
05:28.36wtI think my computer sent a couple of oopsen to kerneloops.org.
05:28.49mase_wkwt: hah oopsen
05:28.51mase_wk=)
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05:29.32wtI don't think they're the same ones
05:29.44wtbut one is marked as fixed in 2.6.32-rc2
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05:30.18wterr....rc6
05:30.18nsadminwt: ahh, you're getting even more info :)
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05:30.41wtthese were sent on Oct. 19
05:30.54wtthe ones I am currently getting are trashing my computer and fs
05:30.58melissamase http://pastebin.ca/1644731
05:31.00wtthe computer locks up
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05:31.12wtthankfully, fsck has been enough to save me so far
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05:32.49melissamase_wk, I don't know if that helps you help me or not...=/
05:33.09nsadminmelissa: could you pastebin the output of ps aux
05:34.01nsadminor actually the output of ps aux | cat
05:35.28mase_wkmelissa: also what graphics card do you have?
05:35.41melissamase_wk, ati radeon x1550 agp
05:36.58melissansadmin, http://pastebin.ca/1644736  <<PS Aux info
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05:39.33mase_wkmelissa: which version of kde are you using ?
05:39.38nsadminmelissa   3668 58.5  8.6 115552 89268 ?        S<   21:10  48:55 /home/melissa/simutrans/simutrans --fullscreen
05:40.06nsadminthat's the biggest hog :)
05:40.06melissamase_wk, 3.5 If I remember correctly
05:40.09nsadminline 91
05:40.22xhairballXires: You could use a negative apt pinning on x11-common (even xserver-common depends on that).  http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.  It sounds like you want pkgsync.  It allows you to say: this must/may/must not be installed.
05:40.35melissansadmin, yes I know, I re-nice it when I play otherwise it won't run properly, eg crawls and accepts no input from user.
05:40.36wtI think I found the oops
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05:40.52nsadminwhat is it?
05:41.13melissa"Simutrans, A Transport and Economic Simulator"
05:41.15mase_wkmelissa: ok cool. not sure really why your having such a slow time. that machine should fly
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05:41.22Xiresxhairball; tyvvvm
05:41.38melissamase_wk, it makes me want to beat my head against a wall....:(
05:41.42nsadminis it a package?
05:41.53melissansadmin, no, its binary
05:42.16melissaerr...its not in the repos and the best (only way I found for linux) way to get it is binary only from source forge.
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05:42.20nsadminI mean, did you have to build it, or could you install it from apt
05:42.32melissalol I wish I could install from apt.
05:42.37mase_wkmelissa: is simutrans a game ?
05:42.42melissamase_wk, yes.
05:42.50wtfantastic, the oops seems to occur while loading radeon firmware
05:42.52melissapractically the only game I'm interested in playing.
05:42.56mase_wkah...is it a 3d game ?
05:43.01melissano
05:43.02nsadminmelissa: what's your uname -r?
05:43.12mase_wkmelissa: does it use opengl at all ?
05:43.35melissansadmin, 2.6.26-2-686
05:43.35xhairballmelissa: it's in testing/unstable.
05:43.42nsadminmelissa: what,, no black and white 2?!
05:44.12melissaholy hell xhairball thanks!  I didn't know!
05:44.26melissansadmin, I used to play that, but it got boring around the 5th mission
05:44.41nsadminand black n white 1?
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05:44.57melissacan't find my discs.
05:45.03nsadminahh
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05:45.21melissaI moved across the country last year and stuff is still being mailed to me.
05:46.22nsadminyou have a euro vibe... Germany, I think...
05:46.27BryansteinAnyone know if there are any mmc/sd utils like pcmciautils, etc...for listing card info
05:47.44melissansadmin, is that directed at me?
05:47.50nsadminyeah :)
05:48.01melissalol, nope sorry.  I'm from Oregon USA
05:48.29nsadminwow, I was the furthest off ever...
05:48.45melissa:)
05:48.48melissaIts okay.
05:49.02nsadminso you're an east coaster now
05:49.12melissanope, I started on the east coast.
05:49.18melissaMassachusetts
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05:50.18nsadminand I guess you went to school there...
05:50.56melissagahhh!  I'm running xchat and Iceweasel and my CPU is at 100%  Yes I did go to school in MA
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05:51.32nsadminsome of the Iceweasel plugins are leaky
05:51.46nsadminmaybe it's flash
05:52.04melissaprobably, flash hasn't been loading correctly since I made the switch.
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05:53.31melissacould it also have something to do with my mounting samba shares over the network?
05:54.03nsadminnot sure. could be, but I think it's mostly that game
05:54.20melissasimu isn't running right now.
05:54.41nsadminlet me try backporting
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05:55.23nsadminwhere did xhairball find that thing
05:55.41melissaits in the repos for Lenny.
05:55.42nsadminoh it's in testing
05:55.46melissawhich surprises me.
05:56.02melissaand after installing from apt it runs MUCH better
05:56.11melissa(don't need to re-nice) any more
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05:56.35Shtlover ftp or sftp, max possible speed is 1MBPS on LAN what i know. Is there any fastest method than this???
05:56.40melissaugh...flash 10 still isn't working.
05:56.47nsadminso it's closer to the libs you have
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05:58.52nsadminShtl: 1 m bytes / sec?
05:58.59harkmelissa: flash 10 is available in bakports
05:59.08hark*backports
05:59.59Shtlnsadmin: yes, its 1 m bytes/sec with ftp or sftp over LAN
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06:00.23Shtlany faster methods than this?
06:00.33melissahark, I've added backports to my sources, and tried installing it, it's only installing the flash 9 player
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06:02.15nsadminShtl: what network hardware do you have
06:02.32paipimentahey debian peeps
06:03.09Shtlnsadmin: NIC 100 MBPS from RealTeck
06:03.25nsadminok, which is connected to what?
06:04.00harkmelissa: really? what if you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" ?
06:05.36paipimentaright now, I've got Firefox's tarball in a folder on my desktop.  When I want to run Firefox, I open the folder and run the bin file.  How do I "install" Firefox?
06:05.36melissahark, that command does not exist on my system
06:05.37harkmelissa: as root
06:05.37harkmelissa: also what does "readlink /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so" say?
06:05.59melissahark: /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so
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06:06.40melissahark: sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree command not found
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06:07.06paipimentasudo apt-get update flashplugin-nonfree?
06:07.14harkmelissa: so you haven't installed flash from backports yet
06:07.20hark!adobe flash
06:07.21dpkgAdobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291).  The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users.  Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.  http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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06:08.16harktry backports first ^
06:08.19melissahark which repos should I have listed from backports?
06:08.56paipimentaI've currently got openoffice.org 2.4... but my other comp has 3... easy way to update to 3?
06:09.13hark!tell melissa about bpo
06:09.14Shtlnsadmin: i am trying to access some files on another PC in LAN
06:09.41paipimenta!flv
06:09.46somiajpaipimenta: what version of debian is on your computer with 2.4?
06:09.56paipimentalenny
06:09.57harkmelissa: once that's done, simple do an aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree -t lenny-backports
06:10.25somiajpaipimenta: 2.4 is the version that is in lenny, if you want a newer version you'll have to get a backport. /msg dpkg backports
06:10.33melissaif the update will ever finish
06:10.47melissaits stuck on volatile.debian.org
06:11.18nsadminShtl: so this realtek card you have... what -exactly- is the other end connected to?
06:12.37paipimentaI installed the virtualbox-ose package, but can't see it in the applications drop down anywhere (like I could with qemulator) and can't pull a man page on it... how do I proceed?  or at least make sure I installed the modules needed?  running lenny on a Compaq Athlon XP
06:12.41Shtlsame to another PC in LAN through a switch
06:13.08paipimentamelissa: stuck, or really slow?
06:13.17somiajhmm, is there offical debian.org backports now? http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/
06:13.20melissapaipimenta, failed to fetch
06:13.23paipimentait took me almost 2 hours to download virtualbox last night
06:13.28nsadminShtl: so it's connected to the switch
06:13.30harkpaipimenta: in Applications->System Tools?
06:13.32paipimentathrough synaptic
06:13.54Shtlnsadmin: yes a switch in between
06:14.07paipimentahark: not there... ?
06:14.11nsadminok, what's everything the switch is connected to?
06:14.49harkpaipimenta: ok run it manually then
06:15.02paipimentagives props to nsadmin and any other network savvy helper
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06:15.47nsadminI know the basics, nothing really about routing protocols etc
06:16.11melissamy big problem is I know a lot of theory
06:16.16melissabut not much practical
06:16.22harkpaipimenta: maybe you also need the frontend as well
06:16.37paipimentahark: looks like I need to install the virtualbox-ose-modules  package for my kernel, but didn't see the package in synaptic
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06:16.56harkpaipimenta: like virtualbox-ose-qt
06:16.58nsadminmelissa: if you know lots of theory... head down to MI in hollywood
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06:17.06harkpaipimenta: which version of debian?
06:17.10melissaMI?
06:17.17nsadminMusicians Institute
06:17.18paipimentalenny
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06:17.42harkpaipimenta: what does uname -r say?
06:17.42paipimentaMI!!!
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06:17.54paipimentaI used to live by the Burger King near hollywood & highland
06:18.16nsadminis that near one of the MI locations?
06:18.22paipimenta2.6.26-2-686
06:18.26nsadminbtw is Scott still teaching there
06:18.31paipimentansadmin: yeah, 2 blocks north of the hollywood one
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06:19.00paipimentaon yucca
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06:19.33cmsimonhi. fetched latest youtube-dl from author; trying to use it i get, 'bash: ./youtube-dl: cannot execute binary file'
06:19.38dbboltonwhat do i need to enable in my kernel to be able to read and write on a usb flash drive?
06:19.41paipimentansadmin: hahaha, just got the crack at MI
06:19.44paipimenta:-)
06:19.45cmsimonhelp?
06:19.46cmsimon|:
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06:20.07harkcmsimon: just install it from sid
06:20.28somiajdbbolton: what kernel are you using? Most have usb-mass storage by default.
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06:20.44somiajdbbolton: should be able to plug in the drive, and then see it in dmesg, from there you can parititon it, read, write from it etc.
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06:21.37ShiFTKeyhi, im having a problem implementing disk quotas in debian 5.0.3
06:21.46melissawow...this is sad, the BEST mirror I could find in synaptic is giving me a whopping 10.2 kb/s
06:21.47dbboltonsomiaj this is a custom kernel, 2.6.30. the device is recognized but i believe the filesystem is not.
06:21.56ShiFTKeythe user quotas work correctly, but the group quotas dont work
06:22.02paipimentamelissa: sad, but true
06:22.02cmsimonhar': from sid? (using lenny)
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06:22.16harkpaipimenta: install virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686
06:22.32somiajdbbolton: then configure your kernel to use the file system on the flash drive, or put one on it your machine reconizes
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06:22.42melissa*Thud*
06:23.04paipimentahark: sweet
06:23.20paipimentaI fetched 56K in 0s  :-D
06:23.23paipimentahah
06:23.31dbboltonsomiaj how can i figure out what kind of filesystem is on it if i can't read it
06:24.12melissadbbolton, if its a flash drive its either fat32 or less likely NTFS
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06:24.30melissaI've seen a few that were fat16 but that's rare.
06:24.33nsadminmelissa hmm... major quickness between lunch and dinnertime, essay writing and bicycle repair...
06:24.38harkpaipimenta: ah so you already have it installed
06:25.09melissansadmin, o_0
06:25.14paipimentahmm... yeah, that didn't resolve
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06:25.23forcehi guys, i have a strange problem occuring on one of the debian boxes i have here, if i login via ssh and tab complete a file name, it shows whatever command from the $PATH, so if i typed to and pressed tab it would list top etc commands, instead of the files in the pwd
06:25.28forceany ideas what could be causing this?
06:25.31paipimentathe character device /dev/vboxdrv still doesn't exist
06:25.35somiajdbbolton: fdisk -l /dev/sd? will list the parititons on the device. Though you don't have to put the same file system as the partition type, any sane person setting up the drive would have done that.
06:25.37nsadminso you're getting 2 k / essays written? :)
06:25.40somiajdbbolton: most use vfat by default
06:25.43Shtlnsadmin: the switch is connected to Linux PC configured as Router
06:25.48harkpaipimenta: modprobe vboxdrv
06:25.59harkpaipimenta: and see /etc/default/virtualbox-ose
06:26.01nsadminShtl: ok, the router has what net card?
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06:26.27Shtlsame as like others
06:26.46somiajforce: that is how tab complete works. for the first command it looks in $PATH after that it looks for files...if you want to tab complete a command in the pwd, start it with a ./
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06:26.55paipimentahark: set to 1?
06:26.58nsadminthey're 10/100 cards?
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06:27.09Shtlrouter has 2 NIC as it suppose to be
06:27.14harkpaipimenta: yup
06:27.24nsadminand both of those are 10/100s?
06:27.30Shtlyes
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06:27.49Shtlcan i use any command to see them??
06:28.12melissaShtl, try ifconfig
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06:28.40harkShtl: lspci -nn |grep 0200
06:29.02paipimentawow... I'm in vi, and when I press i to get to insert mode and the right arrow, it inserts a row and puts a "C" there.... wtf???
06:29.22harkpaipimenta: either run it as vim or install the vim package
06:29.35nsadminpaipimenta: weird terminal issues?
06:29.43forcesomiaj: im trying to list files, eg. if i have a file called "test_file" and i type "te" and press tab it lists every command starting with 'te' but not "test_file"
06:29.50Shtlnsadmin: i have these 2  : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
06:29.50Shtl03:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS) [10ec:8029]
06:29.52paipimentais there a non-: prompt command that exits without saving?  (opposite of ZZ?)
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06:30.06forcesomiaj : although the pwd has that file
06:30.06harkpaipimenta: ZQ
06:30.13forcesomiaj : it makes no sense to me, it wasnt doing this earlier
06:30.19somiajforce: so do ./te<tab> or ls te<tab> [use ls to list your flies]
06:30.33nsadminjudd pciid 10ec:8029
06:30.37juddnsadmin: [10ec:8029] is 'RTL-8029(AS)' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'ne2k-pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8029
06:30.42paipimentansadmin: I should really drudge through this shell scripting video course I have and stop wasting my time with VBA anyway
06:31.17somiajforce: tab complitions works the same way the shell does at deciding what file to run. If you have a '/' in the line somewhere it uses the pwd, if you don't it uses the $PATH
06:31.19nsadminshell scripting... video course? :)
06:31.24paipimentawow, I will never vi when I want to vim again!!!
06:32.10harkVBA is quite useful if you use excel a lot
06:32.19paipimentansadmin: oh yes! :-)  SHELL_SCRIPTING_IN_LINUX.4021531.TPB.torrent
06:32.48nsadminI would think I'd need an invite
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06:33.13paipimentahow about googling  "shell scripting site:thepiratebay.org"
06:33.15forcesomiaj : i understand that, say for example, i type 'less te' and press tab expecting 'test_file' to be completed it comes up with errors -sh: <( compgen -f -X -- 'te' ): No such file or directory
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06:33.28ShiFTKeyanyone know anything about disk quotas and could help me?
06:33.44paipimentahark: yea... hence my desire to setup a VM at home
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06:33.48nsadminyeah, I'd need a demonoid or whatever invite to use those
06:34.11paipimentathe process at work is WAY too labor intensive to send our emails, fill out .doc forms, and log it in excel
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06:35.13melissauh, problem.
06:35.13paipimentamultiple .doc forms that need re-entering of data, no email prefabs, no outlook rules, no auto-logging into excel... total playground for someone like me, if only I knew VBA as well as C
06:35.18melissamy sound is now broken.
06:35.21melissa=/
06:35.37hark<PROTECTED>
06:35.45nsadminmelissa: yeah, what you did?!
06:35.52forceim not sure but i think something has modified /etc/bash_completion would you agree?
06:35.56melissansadmin, installed flash 10
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06:36.18nsadminand your sound completely doesn't work now?
06:36.29melissayep.  Except for in banshee
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06:36.49nsadminso it must not be the sound driver or the mixer
06:39.04melissawell system sounds never worked, but I have a feeling that's because of my audio card
06:39.04melissawhich of course only provides windows drivers.
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06:39.04nsadminmelissa: could you show the lspci -nn line for it
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06:39.04melissa02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 [13f6:0111] (rev 10)
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06:39.05nsadminjudd pciid 13f6:0111
06:39.05juddnsadmin: [13f6:0111] is 'CM8738' from 'C-Media Electronics Inc' with kernel module 'snd-cmipci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=13f6:0111
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06:39.05nsadminis that the driver you're using?
06:39.16melissahow do I check?
06:39.24nsadminyou can lsmod
06:39.31nsadminor better, lsmod
06:39.39cahoot<PROTECTED>
06:39.40paipimentasudo usermod -G vboxusers -a paipimenta
06:39.45paipimentabut that didn't add me.... ????
06:39.47cahoots/porc/proc/
06:39.51harkmelissa: if banshee is working, you have sound right?
06:39.59nsadminerrr lsmod | grep snd-cmipci
06:40.03paipimentacahoot: haha
06:40.03melissahark only in banshee
06:40.12paipimentaI love the grep edit of irc typos
06:40.17nsadminwhat'
06:40.21melissaamarok, system sounds, etc etc don't work
06:40.21nsadmins a banchee?
06:40.33harknsadmin: a music player :)
06:40.59nsadminoh thank god... at least she won't go crazy bored
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06:41.16paipimentagod I'm missing my non-free VMWare on my MacBook :-/
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06:41.40Xgatesanyone know anything about this msg at bootup? ---> SMB base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr
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06:42.04Xgatesmy bios is up tp date, but where could I run ' force_addr=0xaddr'?
06:42.16melissansadmin, cat /proc/asound = 0 snd_usb_audio 2 snd_cmipci
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06:42.20harkSMB == secret military base
06:42.26nsadminXgates: if you don't find out here, try googling it
06:42.41nsadminmelissa: so it looks like you are using that driver
06:42.56XgatesALWAYS Googles before asking questions :0
06:42.59nsadminwhat kind of system sounds are you referring to that don't work
06:43.04cahootthe usb device bas become 'default'
06:43.09paipimentawell of course the address is uninitialized.... it's secret!!
06:43.14XgatesSMB = Server Message Block
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06:43.22melissabasic system sounds  like clicking buttons and crap all come out the PC speaker
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06:43.26harkthey never used to work!
06:44.04cahootmelisa you have a usb device that has become 'default' sounddevice
06:44.13paipimentaalthough, sometimes coming to IRC then going back to google can work just like having the techie come by, then all of a sudden nothing's wrong....
06:44.28nsadminmelissa: you mean like produced from the bios while typing (for example)?
06:44.33melissayes.
06:44.44harkmelissa: run speaker-test -c2 -twav
06:44.45melissaamarok is now playing properly.
06:45.30nsadminnonsense... einstein was definitively and exclusively einstein!
06:45.30harkwell, how did you fix it?
06:45.40paipimentansadmin: my ratio for Shell Scripting is only 0.77... would love to get past 1 ;-)
06:45.44Xgateswhere would you use force_addr=0xaddr at?
06:45.59somiajXgates: that sounds like a kernel paramater, so you have to set that up in grub.
06:46.00melissa<PROTECTED>
06:46.00harkXgates: as a boot option
06:46.04melissaand now, Sound.
06:46.14XgatesI read this online that someone was having an issue with as well --->  I can't use "force_addr=..." for modprobe because I don't use loadable
06:46.15Xgates> modules at all.
06:46.22nsadminXgates: perhaps when loading a module?
06:46.45harkXgates: here: cat /proc/cmdline
06:46.48Xgatesyeah well I don't know where in modrpobe.d you'd place this
06:46.52Xgatesk
06:47.08melissaand running speaker test causes: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
06:47.12nsadminalso what address you need
06:47.39nsadmindoing more laundry stuff brb
06:47.42harkXgates: so look at the kopt line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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06:47.47Xgatesroot=/dev/hda2 ro quiet
06:47.54harkXgates: don't remove the #
06:48.03Xgatesok let me look
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06:48.37nsadminXgates: maybe you shoudl pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
06:48.50Xgatesk
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06:50.53XgatesI'm chatting on one box, let me jump into Deb, plus I need to install a chat client so give me a sec, then I'll paste menu.lst
06:50.54Xgatesbrb
06:51.05morpheussis ftp.debian.org down?
06:51.10inklesspenam I missing something, or is debian really lacking python 2.6?
06:51.33harkinklesspen: it's there but in experimental
06:52.15inklesspenugh
06:52.19harkinklesspen: it should be in sid in the very near future
06:52.27inklesspenit's been the stable python for nearly a year
06:53.23harkit's a very hard process to upgrade to it. lot of issues
06:53.36paipimentainklesspen: that's how long it took me to download lenny!
06:53.38inklesspenI don't need it to be the default
06:53.42inklesspenI just need it to be available
06:53.58inklesspenI'll just do a sandboxed source install, I guess
06:54.31harkthough i've noticed that ubuntu has somehow managed to do it
06:54.54melissahmmm now how to get flash playing sound.
06:54.59nsadminmorpheuss: ftp.debian.org is restricted access... are you a dd?
06:55.15hark!ftp.debian.org
06:55.16dpkgftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information.
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06:55.25Xgatesok back
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06:55.41paipimenta!mirrors
06:55.41dpkgfrom memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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06:55.55paipimentahey, it told me to
06:56.38nsadminby that logic we should expand them all the way out :P
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06:58.17paipimenta:-/ point taken
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06:58.31nsadminoh come on, I was kidding
06:58.32Xgatesok menu.lst pastebin ---->  http://pastebin.com/m78a69c9
06:58.33paipimenta! command without -R
06:58.36paipimenta:-D
06:58.39morpheussnsadmin, unable to install packages
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06:59.41harkmelissa: pastebin aplay -l output
06:59.47mark_shello all, maybe you can help me. I ound in my bash history the following commands and I don't know what they do.    PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$'  and     cd "`echo -e '\057server\057files'`"  can you help me? Thank you
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07:01.34Xgateswho was that before that wanted to see my grub menu?
07:01.42nsadminI did
07:01.48nsadminit looks ok
07:01.52Xgatesahh ok thought it was you...
07:02.02melissahark http://pastebin.ca/1644773
07:02.03Xgatesso what about adding that force option, where can I add that?
07:02.39nsadminhmm, I'm not sure how to add it for a specific driver that's compiled in
07:02.40harkmark_s: do you use mc?
07:03.16paipimentamark_s: looks like PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$' is the commands to print out the junk before you type at the pormpt, with a termination command to stop it after it's done (correct me if I'm wrong someone)
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07:03.54paipimenta\057 must be some symbol like a space or other non-shell friendly character that needs an escape sequence
07:04.06mark_shark: Sometimes. A few days ago I hit im mc by mistake a shellskript an it executed.
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07:04.47paipimentaecho -e expands that into what you and I would normally read, like cd #server#files
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07:05.38Xgatesoh also after grub boots, the 'root' 'kernel' and 'initrd' lines get spit across the console, I've never seen grub do this before, ALSO I see Debian has added in other names/options to grub I've never seen before, like kopt and groot
07:05.43paipimentahow do I get google to search for the literal \057 ?
07:06.00paipimentaalways ignores non alphnumeric characters, damnit
07:06.01macrobatisnt \057 forward slash?
07:06.11harkpaipimenta: quote it
07:06.18mark_swhat I am wondering is, did someone hack me, or do the commands come from the system
07:06.22harkit's just mc
07:06.22Xgateseven though this is commented, is it being used? ---> # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro
07:06.22paipimentaI did.... "\057"
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07:06.39harklet me get the bts report for it
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07:07.40macrobatASCII 2/15 is decimal 047, hex 2f, octal 057, bits 00101111: prints as `/'
07:07.58macrobatdepends on encoding?
07:08.18paipimentabts => bug tracking system?
07:08.25nsadminyep
07:08.37Xgatesshould I do this for that force option?
07:08.39Xgateskernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet force_addr=0xaddr
07:08.45harkmelissa: it looks pretty confusing, is there a difference when you run alsamixer compared to alsamixer -c2 ?
07:09.00paipimenta2/15?
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07:09.18macrobatidk, i used "ascii"
07:09.18melissahark if I try to use alsa at all it causes crashes
07:09.46paipimentaoctal indicator is to lead with 0?
07:09.54paipimentaor is the \ also part of it?
07:10.02Xgatesnsadmin: should I add that force option to that kernel line in grub?
07:10.03melissaokay correction
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07:10.10melissaalsamixer -c2 works fine
07:10.10Xgateslike I posted above...
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07:11.56harkmelissa: ok, so that means you need to set device 2 in your paste as the default card
07:12.34melissawhich is done how?
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07:12.52harkyeah, wait for it
07:13.20harkmelissa: ah you're running lenny right?
07:13.32melissahark aye
07:13.45paipimentaif I want to learn the in's and out's of a shell environment, what's a good room for me?  like, pouring over arcane options, command piping, scripting, building from source, etc.
07:13.52paipimenta#commandlinejunkies ?
07:14.06harkit should still have asoundconf, there is an option set-default-card or something. see the man page
07:14.44harkmelissa: another option is to run alsaconf
07:15.25hark!room
07:15.25dpkgCHANNEL!
07:15.46melissaokay trying alsaconf right now
07:16.06harkpaipimenta: ##bdsm
07:16.20paipimenta:-) thanks
07:16.37paipimentaI'm not THAT much a glutton for punishment
07:16.47paipimentawell, I am, but not physically
07:16.52harkthought it looked similar enough to bsd to fool people
07:17.19paipimentahas yet to dip into BSD.... unless you count Mac OS X
07:17.27paipimenta(which you shouldn't)
07:17.37mark_sI try now to clear my history on logout. With a normal user I put history -c into .bash_logout. For root I created the file, but it doesn't work. How do I activate the .bash_logout for root?
07:17.53paipimentaI actually have a strong desire to load Darwin solo on my comp, or at least a partition
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07:20.16somiajmark_s: what was the full path to the .bash_logout file you created for root?
07:20.17melissahark, YOU ROCK!
07:20.20melissahugs hark
07:20.44mark_ssomiaj: /root/.bash_logout
07:20.45hark!aww
07:20.46dpkg*snuggles*
07:21.00somiajmark_s: also check 'grep root /etc/passwd', if root isn't using the bash shell, or has another home dir besides /root.
07:21.07somiajmark_s: then not sure why it isn't working.
07:21.07melissanow to fix system sounds.  :P
07:21.39somiajmelissa: you'll have to setup a $HOME/.asoundrc file to tell your alsa devices to use dmix, else you won't have more than one access the sound card at the same time
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07:21.53mark_ssomiaj: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
07:22.00kurtshi,
07:22.15harksomiaj: nah, don't think that's needed anymore
07:22.20kurtsI have 2TB of data which I need to back up, are there any good solutons for this in debian?
07:22.34kurtsI am backing up to a USB hdd
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07:23.20telmichgood morning
07:23.24melissawould be nice to have a .asoundrc
07:23.35harkmelissa: there's a link in the alsa wiki for the proper way to handle multiple cards. that was what i was looking for, as alsaconf et all are no longer present squeeze onwards
07:23.38somiajhark: well the documents say that its enabled by default in alsa 1.0.9rc3 or later, but my experience disagrees with that...I have recentally had to set up dmix in .asoundrc to get dmix to work for two laptops and my usb headset
07:23.47somiajI just wish more sound cards actually had hardware mixing. its such a pain
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07:24.32nsadminmelissa: and -why- can't you have a .asoundrc? whywhy? inquiring minds want to know...
07:25.53melissaI'm not looking forward to getting my headset going.
07:25.53melissansadmin, I don't have one.
07:25.53melissait's not there
07:25.53telmichI have the problem that debians initrd does only try to get an ip address from eth0, not from eth0, eth1, ...; I need that for a fully automatic installation (fai), and sometimes (depending on the computer) I need to use eth0, eth1 or even eth3
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07:25.53melissa"This .asoundrc has ceased to be,  It is no more!"
07:25.53telmichdoes anyone know a good solution for that?
07:25.54nsadminohh...
07:25.54nsadminfuneral time...
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07:26.31harkit rests in peace ;)
07:26.39melissa*pieces*
07:26.58paipimentaRIP your sound card a new one?
07:26.58paipimenta:-D
07:26.58nsadminalllllllllll
07:27.00nsadminrightey then
07:27.19telmichsomething like "DEVICE=any" in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf would be helpful ;-)
07:27.24harkmark_s: /usr/share/doc/mc/README.Debian says to use HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth as a fix
07:28.05nsadminmelissa, seriously, you first want to get the modules to always be at the same spot in your /proc/asound/cards
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07:28.47nsadminyou do that with index=N fed to the driver modules when inserting them
07:29.10paipimenta"What is a shell?  Not a UNIX shell in particular, but a shell in general?"
07:29.11paipimentansadmin:  wow, this course is deep
07:29.52nsadminthere's another deep course, but it's not bash...
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07:30.14paipimentaman, #bash is dead at best, grumpy at worst
07:30.48paipimentawell, I did ask if BusyBox was more robust than sh but more minimal than bash... comments?
07:30.55nsadminit's somewhere off of swiss.ai.mit.edu
07:31.12telmichpaipimenta: busybox is more like a project with modules
07:31.14paipimentaI don't want to be searching for vi next time I need to edit something in BusyBox
07:31.27paipimentawhat shell does it use?
07:31.35telmichpaipimenta: whereas sh is a standard interpreter. so they are quite different
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07:31.41mark_shark: I use Debian 4. In My readme I cannot find this. But waht am I supposed to do with HISTCONTROL? Export it, or put it into a file?
07:31.45nsadminhttp://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/
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07:31.56simonrvnpaipimenta: busybox isn't a shell
07:32.06telmichsimonrvn: well, it contains a shell
07:32.18nsadminwhich one
07:32.25simonrvnash
07:32.35telmich"any"
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07:33.53mhymnis it possible to boot a newly installed kernel without bootloaders?
07:34.45harkmark_s: say, put export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth in your ~/.bashrc
07:35.43mark_shark: I will do so
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07:35.43harkmark_s: http://bugs.debian.org/305642
07:35.43paipimentagot a hard-on looking at http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/
07:35.51harkuh
07:36.10nsadminyou diggin on the pointy hat?
07:37.02mark_shark: o great, so the commands came from mc. I was pretty nervous about those commands. Tahnk you
07:37.09paipimentalol... diggin on the pointy hat?... oh, thought that was a euphemism for something... actually, the fez is much more posh
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07:37.54harkno, one of the later lectures
07:38.21paipimentawell, I will now retire to the privacy of my new favorite bookmark
07:38.24paipimenta:-D
07:38.43paipimenta(favorite bookmark?  is that redundant terminology?)
07:38.45nsadminthat's the one where they bring it together and explain the magic of the interpreter
07:38.50paipimentaonly if you use IE
07:39.02paipimentayummy
07:39.14paipimentamy wife will receive no more proofreading on her essay tonight ;-)
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07:39.36nsadminuhoh, I seem to have started a fight :)
07:40.01paipimentano.... she only just woke up to get water, went right back in
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07:41.22paipimentawow, I wish I could print this out so I could snuggle in between it and my copy of Free as in Freedom
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07:41.48paipimentao-0 `-
07:41.49unitypunki like ATM Machine..
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07:41.58mark_shark: sorry for asking, but root doesen't have a file .bashrc. I created one and put the HISTCONTROL command in there. No changes. I still can use the history
07:42.00nsadminmelissa, so is your sound card making sounds right?
07:42.05harkpaipimenta: http://nerdwisdom.com/2007/08/17/structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-videos-and-textbook/
07:42.20harknot exactly a pointy hat though
07:42.29paipimentaYES! more fez!!!!
07:42.33telmichfrom where does "/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig" come, that is included in the initramfs?
07:42.40paipimentaok, gonna burst... good night all
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07:43.14nsadminmark_s: .bashrc is read by non-login shells, while .bash_profile is read by login shells
07:43.16telmichhmm, klibc-utils
07:43.18paipimentabursts into an energetic cloud of nerd nirvana
07:43.34nsadminnervana?
07:43.47harknsadmin: i did find this while searching for the image .. http://blog.desudesudesu.org/?p=108  O.o
07:44.02mark_sSince I can use the file .bash_logout for commands executed when a user logsout, is there also a file .bash_login where I can issue commands when a user logs in? Or how can I execute a shell script as soon as a user logs in?
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07:46.02harkno you don't need it
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07:47.18harkbut you can use it
07:47.18simonrvnnerdvana
07:47.21ekontsevoyhow do I uninstall a package which I installed from a deb file?
07:47.40simonrvnman dpkg
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07:48.38nsadminekontsevoy: first you need the name of the package, which you can get from the name of the file like this:
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07:48.57harkmark_s: either .bash_profile, .bash_login or .profile whichever exists. man bash for more info
07:49.01ekontsevoyI can see it - dpkg-query -l swiftfox
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07:49.11nsadminls *.deb | cut -d_ -f 1
07:49.23ekontsevoyI just can't figure out how to get rid of it. I guess I could just nuke /usr/lib/swiftfox
07:49.26niklaswegod morgon guys
07:49.30ekontsevoybut I don't have the deb for it
07:49.30harkekontsevoy: you remove it like any other package
07:49.42somiajekontsevoy: no don't just remove stuff like that, bad bad juju.
07:49.45simonrvnekontsevoy: you don't need the deb file
07:49.59nsadmindo you remember the filename of the .deb?
07:50.02somiajekontsevoy: i.e. removing the /usr/lib/swiftfox...don't want to do that, it will break your system
07:50.34mark_shark: thank you. I just tried /etc/profile an it works. Now I let the system send me a mail as soon as someone logs in.
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07:50.51nsadminsimonrvn, ekontsevoy: true, you don't need the deb... but you can get the package name from it if you do have it
07:51.17simonrvnekontsevoy: man dpkg then do /-r, --remove, -P
07:51.22ekontsevoysudo dpkg -r swiftfox ---> says "ignring request because package is not installed"
07:51.36harkmark_s: this is helpful /msg dpkg dotfiles
07:51.43simonrvndpkg -l '*swiftfox*'
07:51.43dpkgNo packages found matching '*swiftfox*'
07:51.55simonrvndpkg: shaddup
07:51.55dpkgNo, I won't, you shaddup, you
07:52.23nsadmindpkg :P
07:52.23dpkgsomebody said p was 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
07:52.35ekontsevoyhttp://pastie.org/671298
07:53.01ekontsevoybut I still see it in /usr/lib/swiftfox!
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07:53.11simonrvnjust had to use a text browser unfriendly site eh
07:53.42simonrvnfirst, that's not what i typed
07:53.59nsadminekontsevoy: dpkg -S /usr/lib/swiftfox
07:54.03harkekontsevoy: dpkg -S /usr/lib/swiftfox , get the name and aptitude remove foo
07:54.31ekontsevoysimonrvn: holy crap, you're right!
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07:54.39simonrvnhateses using dpkg -S
07:54.40ekontsevoygot it, it was called 'swiftfox-prescott'
07:54.44ekontsevoythanks a lot!!!
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07:54.55simonrvnpats dlocate
07:55.13ekontsevoysimonrvn: which text-friendly alternative to pastie there is?
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07:55.14harksimonrvn: same here, it's slooooow
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07:55.40simonrvnpastebin.com/.ca is ok, so's paste.debian.net
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07:56.21simonrvni must admit that i like some of those themes, makes reading the longer ones easier to read
07:56.53ekontsevoysimonrvn: which browser are you using?
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07:57.36simonrvntried in w3m first ;). currently on chromium
07:58.39endrii have a italian keyboard and sice i updated i dont know why every time i have to make  do setxkb it. and the login console works well. how can i make X loag the italian key map
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07:59.33simonrvnendri: what debian version?
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08:01.24endritesting
08:01.31endrisqueeze/sid
08:02.33simonrvnhave console-data/setup installed? (probably) do dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select the right layout(s). x reads the console stuff now.
08:03.15harkyes, /etc/default/console-setup or dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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08:03.33harkrestart hal then
08:03.54endrii think it is setup because login console  works well
08:04.05endrianyway i will try
08:04.07simonrvnoh yeh -setup, -data is something else
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08:04.27hark-data was for console only iirc
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08:05.27harkendri: if you run gnome, it's in the preferences
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08:08.15endrii have a sony vaio b1xp. how can i know which keyboard i had put generic 105. how can i know which one it is
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08:09.09endrican i query the system? like lspci or something
08:09.32endrii dont have gnomw i have e17 because i have an old pc
08:09.37mark_sIn /var/log/auth.log I find the IP of a user who loged into my sytem. If I use  tail /var/log/auth.log | mail -s "Login at the system"  mymail@me.com it works as root. If I put it into /etc/profile the mail stays empty, since the user hasn't the rights to read /var/log/auth.log. How can I issue a root command as soon as a user logs in?
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08:10.59harkendri: go with the default unless you know different. or just see/edit /etc/default/console-setup for the existing one
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08:15.39harkmark_s: i think fail2ban supports sending emails based on auth.log. there might be a similar solution. or add the user to the adm group (not a good idea though)
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08:16.01morpheussunable to install grub on usb stick http://pastie.org/671313
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08:16.27morpheusswhat am i doing wrong ?
08:17.27morpheussusing script grub-install
08:18.50endrithanks hark it worked, i had to comment XKBOPTIONS="compose:rwin,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
08:19.14endrimaybe compose;rwin is the wrong
08:20.03endribut with it fn left (end key) does not work
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08:21.39kurtsnote sure if anyone answered before as I got disconnected so here goes again
08:21.42kurtsI have 2TB of data which I need to back up, are there any good solutons for this in debian?
08:21.46kurtsI am backing up to a USB hdd
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08:23.21the-dudekurts: backuppc
08:24.04omid8bimohey how can i set my vsftp to follow symlinks?
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08:27.56zak_hi is there any command  to see if my connection  is encrypted or not ?
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08:28.36kurtsthe-dude: nice thanks, looks like exactly what I need
08:29.18the-dudekurts: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/588
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08:30.19zak_hi is there any command  to see if my wireless connection  is encrypted or not ?
08:30.53morpheusszak_, sniff the traffic and see
08:31.25zak_sniff?
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08:31.29zak_how to do that ?
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08:33.47marcinHi. does anyone use a suhosin with a PHP?
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08:36.27danigmhello, it's any method to view all access to disk?
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08:38.05icerooti cant find the initrd on the cd (/boot) how to get the initrd so that i can use gunzip to extract it?
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08:39.49icerootit seems that mkinitrd will create one
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08:43.29pozicDoes a /etc/hosts equivalent exists that users can edit?
08:43.46morpheusstry /etc/hosts~
08:43.50morpheusspozic,
08:45.27nsadminiceroot: initrds are built when packages are installed
08:46.06morpheussnsadmin, http://pastie.org/671313
08:46.44morpheusstried googling but nothing seems to be working
08:47.32nsadminshow line 374 of /usr/sbin/grub-install
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08:50.17morpheussnsadmin, if [ `grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir}` = "xfs" ] ; then
08:50.17morpheuss<PROTECTED>
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08:50.32morpheussits just grub-install script
08:51.12nsadminthat's all one line?
08:51.50nsadminoh, nm, can't be
08:52.14morpheussgrubdir=/mnt/sda1/boot
08:52.30nsadminthat's 374 and, 375 starts with xfs_freeze
08:52.32morpheussnext line 376 is fi
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08:52.39nsadminok
08:52.40morpheussyep
08:53.15nsadminyour new line 374 should quote the first arg, looking like this
08:53.41nsadminif [ "`grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir}`" = "xfs" ] ; then
08:54.35nsadminquote the first arg of the [ (which is really test)
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08:56.02morpheussis it not something to do with boot/grub/device.map nsadmin ?
08:58.16morpheussnow line 374 vanished but error still persists :(
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08:58.24morpheussgrub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. nsadmin
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08:59.00sentenciahi
08:59.57sentenciais there a channel for nx?
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09:00.48sentenciai can log in via ssh, but via nx it says authentication failure
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09:01.13icerootok i have found my ramdisk (/boot/linux26.bin)  file is telling me its a gzip but gunzip is not working. is there another way to extract the ramdisk?
09:06.02radoeiceroot: zcat linux26.bin > linux26.unzipped
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09:09.44icerootradoe: great. thx
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09:15.54vltHello. What is the command to configure a pppoe connection?
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09:16.41vltWasn't there something like pppoeconfig?
09:16.57nsadminyeah I seem to remember something like that
09:17.04nsadminlet's see
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09:17.07nsadmin!pppoe
09:17.07dpkg[pppoe] Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet, a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections.  There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian.  To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>.  To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf".  See also Debian bug #377987.  http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE
09:17.41nsadminso you already have debian installed?
09:18.34vltYes, but I need to connect via pppoe now (that my primary line has gone).
09:19.24nsadminok so you need to somehow download the .deb and use dpkg to install it
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09:19.33nsadminunless you already have it?
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09:19.44vltnsadmin: I'll check ...
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09:20.08daalHi! anyone using debian armel here ?
09:20.21nsadmin!arm
09:20.21dpkgarm is, like, Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.  Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>.  The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable.
09:22.22vltnsadmin: No, it's not installed yet :(   Can I configure it manually by editing some /etc/ppp/ files?
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09:25.14dimirThat's rude.
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09:27.06vltnsadmin: Ok, on another machine I have a working pppoe connection. When I type the conf files /etc/ppp/{peers/dsl-provider,chap-secrets} and /etc/network/interfaces manually, _could_ this work?
09:27.22lsd1Hi
09:27.47lsd1I need help to solve an iptables issue
09:28.55CrypticfortuneHi! I'm trying to set up pulseaudio out of testing but "module-udev-detect" is having issues ("inotify_initl() failed: Function not implemented"). how can i fix that? http://paste.debian.net/50065/
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09:30.41nsadminvlt: all you have to do is install the package on that machine, the .deb file will be in /var/cache/apt/archives
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09:31.43vltnsadmin: No network
09:32.08vlt(That's the problem :/ )
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09:42.38Davidovichhey, i have a quick question, how does it come that samba doesnt start properly on startup? it works fine when i restart it with "/etc/init.d/samba restart", i get this message: "nmbdstart-stop-daemon: warning: ..."
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09:44.52pozicHow do I configure gnome-terminal, such that Alt is interpreted by the console program, and not by gnome-terminal?
09:45.07tarzeaudon't we get the xorg nouveau driver into sid?
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09:47.04rvallespozic: I'd recommend not using gnome-terminal.
09:47.22rvalles(it's slow, incomplete, just bad)
09:47.29petemcincomplete?
09:47.39rvallesurxvt, xterm and konsole are options
09:47.48petemcpozic: you can configure the keyboard shortcuts in the edit menu
09:48.12rvallespetemc: apparently doesn't do much in terms of acceleration,e ven
09:48.17petemcit works fine
09:48.20rvallesdo a simple ls -lR /
09:48.23rvallesand it's slowwwww
09:48.37rvalleskonqueror and xterm render text fast.
09:48.41rvalles*konsole
09:48.56pozicrvalles: gnome-terminal is not slow anymore.
09:49.06pozicrvalles: it was two years ago.
09:49.22pozicrvalles: xterm is a terrible terminal by default at least.
09:49.23purplepenguins"slow" is relative, on a modern system it's not noticeably slow
09:49.35pozicEmacs terminals are slow.
09:49.36rvallespozic: I use xterm, personally
09:49.45rvallesxterm's just right.
09:50.06pozicI used konsole for some time, because gnome-terminal didn't support non-blinking cursors.
09:50.32pozicpetemc: thanks, works.
09:51.56petemcnp
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09:56.16schlurchzI wonder why the speed of ls -lR / matters in any way?
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09:58.07purplepenguinson urxvt ls -lR / outputs at least 10 times faster than i can read it
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10:00.36schlurchzThinking about it, I remember that I had strace output to the terminal slow things down...
10:01.01schlurchzoh well
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10:05.17Davidovichhey, i have a quick question, how does it come that samba doesnt start properly on startup? it works fine when i restart it with "/etc/init.d/samba restart", i get this message: "nmbdstart-stop-daemon: warning: ..."
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10:05.30telitiHi. Is there a way to get an up-to-date iceweasel for slackware?
10:05.50telitiopps lol, I'm still on my old distro ... I ment Debian!
10:06.02hyperzidiostat says %iowait is on 2.7.. what does that mean?
10:06.10somiajteliti: do you mean for debian stable?
10:06.22telitiyes
10:06.37telitiI heared about backports, but in backports I cannot find iceweasel
10:06.48somiajteliti: two options. a) find a backport/make a backport (/msg dpkg backport, /msg dpkg simple sid backport)
10:07.30somiajteliti: you could also just download firefox binaries from mozilla.org and put them in /usr/local or your $HOME dir. [provided you have the supporting libaries it will run that way]
10:08.15telitisomiaj: thank you
10:08.33somiajsince debian is no longer supporting seamonkey/iceape, that is what I do. Mainly because mozilla.org won't write security updates for older versions which is not how debian stable works.
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10:11.10vltnsadmin: Ok, editing the ppp files manually worked. I got a ppp0 device now. (Now trying to find out why I still can't ping)
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10:15.51hyperzidHow can I see how long it takes to wait for io in average?
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10:24.35cuscoit has been almost 2 months that I do not upgrade packages on testing
10:24.48cuscoyesterday I did a upgrade.. took a while
10:25.21somiajthat is normal....
10:25.22cusconow, fglrx driver stopped working, synaptics mouse (touch pad) is not working correctly
10:25.44somiajnew kernel most likely, did you recompile your modules?
10:25.58somiajalso most would suggest you run stable unless you know what your doing and how to deal with these upgrade issues
10:26.05cuscoI did not compile any modules to start with, yes new kernel
10:26.12cusco(I know what I am doing)
10:26.39cuscoand most of the times I know how to deal with them
10:26.56cusconow, dpkg says that new fglrx-driver does not support cards pre-r600
10:26.58somiajwell fglrx I thought you had to recompile the module against your new kernel.
10:27.05cusco!fglrx
10:27.05dpkgsomebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver.  To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary .  As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead.  #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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10:27.22cuscoso suddenly my card got unsupported?
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10:27.42somiajthat is because ati put your card as a legacy card and is only supporting their new chipsets with their drivers
10:28.03radoecusco: ATI removed support for older cards in their fglrx drivers, yes.
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10:28.16cuscoyea... anyways
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10:28.34cuscohow about synaptics driver?
10:29.22pifhi, my print dialog 'remembers' wrong options (grayscale, etc.) each time i use it, any idea how to fix this?
10:29.39pifwhere are these prefs stored?
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10:30.09cuscoI mean, touch-click doesn't work
10:30.14cusconor the scrool sides
10:30.32cuscoI didn't touch xorg.conf (except to replace fglrx for radeon)
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10:44.09[Elvis]hej guys, how can oi see if my nic is connected with gbit or not?
10:44.10[Elvis]or 100 mbit
10:44.38_AnywhereIs_fetch something big... like gcc src xD
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10:45.16klaas[Elvis] it should show in dmesg
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10:50.14radoe[Elvis]: ethtool
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10:51.42rvalles[Elvis]: dmesg|grep eth0
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11:02.22ma3xhow can you see how much you're using your ram and how free you've left?
11:02.38petemcfree
11:02.49ma3xbut free displays always so little free
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11:04.42martbma3x: low free ram is only a problem if swap is in use
11:04.52martbotherwise your memory is just being used as a file cache
11:04.56martbthis is a Good Thing[tm]
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11:05.59ma3xSwap:       979956      80688     899268
11:06.02ma3xbad i guess?
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11:11.13ma3xwhat does cached mean? cache for programs or for local files?
11:11.26ma3xMem:       1026044    1010160      15884          0       4144     704232
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11:11.53martbma3x: yes.
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11:13.11ma3xso is the ram used (do i need 1 more gig) or is debian using it to cache local files, but when i need it for programs it will free it up
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11:14.11RichiHgrml... when i change /etc/hosts, shouldn't all cached DNS entries be discarded?
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11:14.23ethanolno
11:14.30ethanol/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart
11:14.32ethanolI believe
11:14.35ethanolcould be wrong
11:14.42simonrvnum
11:14.48mesaGLma3x: more ram is always good. max out those slots
11:15.00mquinyou may need to restart nscd as well, if you're running it
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11:15.19mastrois there a way to install debian on N machine at the same time? (specifying different hostnames)
11:15.32simonrvnshouldn't be using nscd for hosts lookup *shudder*
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11:16.38RichiHethanol: not installed
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11:21.52ethanolRichiH: well, something else starting with dns? just hit tab a few times :,
11:21.53ethanol:<
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11:23.44steven43126mastro: debian FAI
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11:24.10steven43126mastro: creating a simple preseed file and network booting also works
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11:24.30steven43126at lesat to get a base install done amd ready for configuration
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11:25.15simonrvnRichiH: if the hostname/ip override the dns in some way, it'll invalidate. also depends on your nsswitch.conf settings... you can put files dns for hosts: (probably is already). otherwise gotta let it time out.
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11:28.08mastrosteven43126: :) Let me google it
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11:29.22mastrosteven43126: something useful with VMWare virtual machine? :) don't know how can I use it with a virtual machine
11:29.40lakcajwhat filesystem is more mature/stable for an external drive when used with Debian - ntfs or hfs+  ?
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11:31.07mastrolakcaj: ntfs has a completely different permission system hfs is more suitable on that. but ntfs is the only one (with Fat32) that a windows user will be able to mount
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11:32.36lakcajmastro, I'm only going to be mounting it on my linux machine to copy/delete audio files and then plug it into a Western Digital media player, which supports either fat32, ntfs, or hfs+.  I'm most worried about data corruption on losing all my media.
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11:36.10lakcajmastro, do you have an opinion on which would be the "safer" one to use on a linux machine?
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11:37.31cperrin88Hey, I'm pretty confused about the behavour of PHP and gettext. I can use the locale "de_DE" for my translations but not "de". I'm not sure if that is only php related
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11:37.49mastrolakcaj: what do you mean with "safer"? are you talking about data integrity?
11:37.59mastrolakcaj: or easy of use?
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11:38.49lakcajdata integrity
11:38.55mastrolakcaj: data integrity has nothing to do with Debian or Linux: it depends on the 2 filesystem.. both of them are proven to have a good data integrity.
11:39.15mastrolakcaj: and ntfs has a safe support
11:39.39mastrolakcaj: but if you don't have to share that with windows user go with hfs, ext3 or reiserFS
11:40.00lakcajok - thanks a lot for your help!
11:40.12likevinylis back (gone 09:38:44)
11:40.12mastrolakcaj: simply because the linux support is better for those filesystem (not reverse-engeneered) and they complain to the POSIX standard
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11:40.56lakcajmastro, that makes sense.  I'll go with hfs.
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11:44.50[Elvis]guys, how can I do a ssh file transfer with the ssh client?
11:44.55[Elvis]or is this impossible?
11:45.03mhymnscp
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11:54.34cristi_is there an appropriate channel to ask for help recovering data from a broken flashstick using lenny?
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11:58.43mhymncristi_: not that i know of, but i guess you're asking in right place ;)
11:59.27mhymnthere some tools to recover lost data
11:59.36mhymncristi_: /msg dpkg search
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12:01.01amol12hi to all,i am getting different output in bash and csh for  #echo -n "amol" in bash is root@boss[~]#[~]#          in csh is amolboss:~#   so what is wrong with bash??
12:02.21jelly-homeamol12: there's nothing wrong.  The prompt has overwritten your output.
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12:02.31mastrohas anyone installed weblogic bea on debian? (64bit)
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12:03.01amol12jelly-home, jelly-home but this behaviour is not in csh
12:03.13jelly-homeamol12: so?
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12:03.53jelly-homeamol12: unix likes its lines to be properly ended.  If you want to see that stuff, add a '
12:04.00jelly-home\n
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12:04.14jelly-homeamol12: or don't use -n
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12:05.04amol12jelly-home, yes this can solve but i have doubt why different behaviour.same thing in other linux works proper as in csh
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12:05.48jelly-homeeh, who cares about csh anyway, let it die in peace
12:05.49amol12i feels bash used in debian has this odd behaviour not in other linux distro's bash
12:06.32mastromhymn: good :) can you tell me how or give me a link that explain it?
12:07.04jelly-homeamol12: quite possible.  I'd inspect your prompt settings first, though.
12:07.34jelly-homeamol12: worksforme
12:07.38jelly-homejelly@kanta-linux:~$ echo -n foo
12:07.38jelly-homefoojelly@kanta-linux:~$
12:07.49mastromhymn: because I'm experiencing trouble getting a good guide
12:08.09amol12jelly-home, correct means there is some wrong in my bash prompt settings
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12:09.07mastromhymn: my question was that: has anyone managed to install weblogic on debian 64bit? how? a guide would be good...
12:09.13jelly-homeamol12: try asking in #bash, I don't see any awake bash experts around here
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12:11.52mhymnmastro: sorry, no idea, i thought you're talking about a debian package
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12:13.04mastromhymn: there's no weblogic debian package :) it's oracle stuff....
12:13.53mhymnyeah, i realized that after
12:14.05mastromhymn: no prob :)
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12:18.13E3bhello all.. I have problem with gnone-panel , when network is down, gnome panel is freezing until network is back... someone can help me please? (Ubuntu 9.04)
12:18.17project2501aum, stupid question: i just maxed the ram on my laptop to 4gb
12:18.25project2501ai got the amb64 kernel on it
12:18.34project2501abut i'm seeing 3.4gb
12:18.45jelly-homeproject2501a: that's normal for a -686 kernel
12:18.48mhymnE3b: ask #ubuntu
12:19.01jelly-homeproject2501a: less normal for an -amd64 one\
12:19.14project2501ajelly-home: Linux cayenne 2.6.30-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 18:09:19 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:19.14E3bmhymn, no answer there.. =\
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12:20.58troubleda tad off topic perhaps, but could I get a verification of a self signed cert for https://www.kernel.org/ ?
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12:22.44project2501atroubled: worksforme
12:23.27troubledproject2501a: what I am after is if its selfsigned at your end, or if its verisign/etc signed
12:23.51troubledi know the https server responds, i am trying to verify the cert and if you know enough, the fingerprint
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12:24.36project2501aselfsigned mate
12:24.48project2501ai can get you the fingerprint, i think (yay opera)
12:25.02troubledim showing, selfsigned, expired a year ago and assigned to localhost.localdomain
12:25.21project2501asame here
12:25.27project2501atroubled: MD5 F1 32 79 6C 17 99 08 18 C9 E7 32 BE 4F EB 44 D2
12:25.31troubledsigh, thanks :)
12:25.43project2501ayes, it's expired
12:25.49troubledyup, what I got here. just surprised the kernel site of all places is so lax :)
12:25.52project2501ano the CIA hasn't taken over linux.org, yet
12:25.59troubledlol
12:26.12project2501athem chinese gold farmers, might, though
12:26.26troubledjust thought it was funny when I tried https://www.kernel.org/signature.html
12:27.02troubledanyways, good to know the core site of the linux kernel is following good crypto policy ;)
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12:35.57jhr217hi, i have just installed lenny, currently at the last stage.. grub and lilo failed to install into /target/ it says. the /dev/sda1 is Linux with a boot flag, /dev/sda2 is Extended, and /dev/sda5 is linux swap
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12:37.19jhr217the last bit of info is from fdisk -l on tty2, i still hav the install program open on tty1
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12:39.17ranixjhr217: in your terminal 2, what's mounted on /target/?
12:39.24ranixjhr217: check with mount
12:39.50jnewtwhat's the apt command to see if i have crontab installed?  been a while since even messing with this computer (debian gives me no problems:))
12:40.03jhr217hm, df says /dev/sda1
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12:40.16jhr217but sda1 is also mounted at /dev/.static/dev
12:40.47jelly-home!test
12:40.47dpkgepic test fail
12:40.56jnewtmaybe it's dpkg?
12:41.52jelly-homejnewt: the package is called "cron", and it's quite unusual not to have it installed. dpkg -s or -l cron
12:42.27jhr217ranix, /dev/sda1 is mounted at /target and also /dev/.static/dev , both lines give same size values etc
12:43.08jnewttx jelly-home.  yeah, i have it installed.  i am going to attempt to have it access and run a php script, although i may be asking for trouble here.
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12:44.59jhr217i actually dont mind that debian does not boot, as long as the disk is fuct so windows cant boot
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12:47.20Titan8990jhr217, #windows
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12:47.41jhr217Titan8990, please explain your comment so i can apply the appropriate level of flaming
12:48.26jhr217in query is fine
12:48.32ranixjhr217: I'm not familiar with your problem
12:48.49ranixjhr217: what is your install media?
12:49.08Titan8990jhr217, if your only goal is make windows boot, you should check out the #windows channel
12:49.35jelly-homeTitan8990: ##windows has two hashes
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12:50.18Titan8990jelly-home, there was a discussion this last week... until someone tells me "it did't work", etc, i will assume everyone's client can redirect properly
12:50.32jhr217ranix, installing from usb stick as per guide at http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ to internal hard disk on desktop.
12:50.55jakobkssetlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory
12:50.58jakobksanyone can help me?
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12:51.15jhr217Titan8990, no, my goal is to get a functional system booting. you might want to re-read my message that you initially responded to
12:51.26jelly-homejhr217: I'd try chrooting to /target and running grub-install /dev/sda manually.  This will nuke the current master-boot sector code
12:51.26justinjakobks: apt-get install locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales?
12:51.45jakobksyes i know, but i dosent work for me in this program i use
12:52.28jhr217jelly-home, thanks i will give that a try
12:52.31jakobksGeneration complete. en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date
12:52.51jelly-homejakobks: is "en_US" locale enabled or not? "en_US.UTF-8" is a different one.
12:53.04jakobksahh i dont know, where can i see it?
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12:53.11jelly-homejakobks: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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12:53.46jakobkswhat i see is: en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date
12:53.53jakobksnot en_US
12:53.57jelly-homejakobks: it doesn't ask you anytihng?
12:54.11jakobksnope
12:54.31jelly-homeeh, how was this system installed, jakobks?
12:54.49jakobks2.6.31-14-server usb install
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12:55.09jakobksthats what you mean?
12:55.51jelly-homejakobks: that doesn't look like a Debian kernel, are you sure it's a Debian system?
12:56.01jakobksfuck sorry
12:56.06jakobksits ubuntu lol
12:56.11jakobkshmm
12:56.20jakobksi can try debian
12:56.37jakobkswhat is the latest version i sould use ?
12:56.44jelly-homeor ask in #ubuntu
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12:57.39jelly-homejakobks: if you're going to install debian, use stable (currenly lenny, 5.0.3)
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12:59.41jelly-homethere's little reason to reinstall the whole system just for one configuration item, why not ask ubuntu guys about the proper way to enable additional locales
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13:00.11BeardedChimpPost installation, is there a way to bring up the 'select mirrors' dialog when the install was done from the cd?
13:00.37jelly-home!apt-setup
13:00.38dpkgapt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources.  No longer available since <base-config> was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html).  <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead.  To install Debian packages located on CD, ask me about <apt-cdrom>.
13:01.09jelly-homeBeardedChimp: I know not of one, but you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
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13:03.19jnewtanyone know where i can ask some questions about lynx?
13:03.32jelly-home!ask
13:03.33dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:03.40bohnedoes anybody know , is it possible to copy a while debian installation from one server to another  (different hardware) ?
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13:04.07jelly-homebohne: if they use the same architecture, yes.
13:04.09ranixbohne: yes, it is. you can use rsync to do it live, even
13:04.13Titan8990bohne, yes, the only issues should be /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst
13:04.28ranixbohne: you need to keep fstab, menu.lst, and if applicable mdadm.conf
13:04.34Titan8990which will be specific to your hard disk setup
13:04.36pngwnjnewt, tried #lynx ?
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13:04.44jnewtok jelly: what does "location url is not absolute" mean, is it a problem, and if so, how can i fix it.  i am trying to set up a cron job for a php script, and my plan is to access it via lynx
13:04.46bohneok thanks!
13:04.47jelly-homebohne: this is how my employer routinely migrates machines to new hardware
13:05.10ranixjnewt: http://foo.com/path/to/website.html is absolute
13:05.17bohnejelly-home: nice thanks
13:05.19ranixjnewt: ../foo.html is not absolute
13:05.37BeardedChimpjelly-home: Intesting in that netselect is not on cd1 of the installation and therefore you need a mirror first before you can select mirrors
13:05.52jelly-homejnewt: two questions: why are you using a browser instead of php cli interpreter, and what is the actual comand line you tried?
13:05.58ranixjnewt: also, /var/www/path/to/website.html is also absolute
13:06.25ranixthere are two interpretations of absolute
13:06.33BeardedChimpjelly-home: I'm asking mainly because I've have a few times where I've had a server with no net initially and then no laptop while setting it up afterwards (ie. i coudlnt google what to add to sources.list)
13:06.43jnewtranix: i am using the first one, without the end piece, as in: http://mysite.com as opposed to http://mysite.com/index.php
13:06.48ranixin a script, you can't use relative paths unless you've set your pwd manually and specifically
13:06.50jelly-homeBeardedChimp: funky.  I'd just try something like http://http.CC.debian.org/debian or http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian using a few favorite country codes
13:07.15jnewtjelly-home: i don't want to change my php installation.  i am not comfortable fixing something that works.
13:07.38jnewttherefore apache 2.0 handler is for me
13:07.52jelly-homejnewt: ok, and the second question?
13:08.15ranixthe command of the chron job plz
13:08.26ranixcron rather
13:08.30jelly-homejnewt: please paste the exact line with no munging.
13:08.41jelly-homehaet munging
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13:08.54jnewti haven't gotten to the cron job yet, i am experimenting on the commandline until i figure out what i should use.
13:09.18jelly-homewell, call back when you stop experimenting and need some help
13:09.26jnewt:)
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13:09.58caraconanHi. This fails if user 'usr_facsimile' does not exists yet: http://pastebin.com/m797632ff
13:10.05caraconanHow can I change the code to: 1) first drop this user only if exists 2) create the user with the gived password
13:11.58jelly-homecaraconan: tried asking in #mysql?
13:12.08caraconanYes :(
13:13.22jelly-homeand they didn't know?
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13:17.34krushikwhat should I use for mail domain administration web panel having in mind that mail is handled by exim + dovecot?
13:17.50rgris there any utility which can check that no locally installed SW is gaining preference of an aptitude installed version?  e.g I just realised I was using a hand compiled version of, for example, xcompmgr but it would have been better to use the squeeze version.
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13:18.17jelly-homecaraconan: since you're doing it from a shell, you might as well first run a select to see if the user exists.  Then depending on the output, either delete it or not.
13:18.28caraconan<jelly-home> It's a 4 years old bug: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=15287
13:18.41krushikI noticed vmail-sql but it is quiet old..
13:18.43caraconanThanls a lot for your help
13:19.01caraconanYou allways help me a lot :)
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13:20.56justinrgr: ls /usr/local/bin/
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13:21.47rgrwell, obviously but there are other paths including locally installed under home too. I was just wondering if there was something to auto scan for clashes.
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13:25.33jhr217i am in rescue installer mode trying to install package grub with "aptitude install grub" but there is error "No candidate version found for grub" there is one uncommented item in the /etc/apt/sources.list lenny main
13:26.24LaveliDearahello
13:26.28LaveliDearahow can I move/copy all files and folders within a directory to another directory ?
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13:26.58jhr217cp -R /first/path/* /second/path
13:27.08jhr217that will copy all in the first location to the second location
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13:27.59jhr217mv (for move) does not need the -R option
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13:28.53wootR_Hey guys, I'm pretty new to linux :P - Is it possible to execute 2 commands in one alias?
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13:28.55wootR_examply cd to a dir and echo something
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13:29.15jhr217what do you mean by alias, one line?
13:29.23jnewthow can i test a cron job in the cron.weekly folder?
13:29.24jhr217cd /some/dir ; echo hi
13:29.31wootR_ahh, split by a ;
13:29.32wootR_thank you
13:29.33wootR_ill try it
13:29.43rvsjoenwootR_: yes, separate with ";", "&&", or "||", they will execute the following command, anyway, if the previous completed successfully, if the previous failed, respectively
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13:30.42rvsjoenwootR_: for example,   cd <dir> && echo hi, will only run echo if cd is successful
13:30.48wootR_okay
13:31.01wootR_thank you :)
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13:31.01LaveliDearajhr217: thank you
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13:31.30hatseflats'gday everyone
13:31.32jhr217LaveliDeara, you are welcome, for the manual use.. man cp
13:32.10hatseflatsI'm trying to configure roundcube to work with my system, but have had no luck so far. I want to restart the configuration wizard provided by apt, but I don't know how. I've already tried removing and re-installing the package, no luck so far.
13:32.15hatseflatsAny ideas?
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13:33.32jhr217i am in rescue installer mode trying to install package grub with "aptitude install grub" but there is error "No candidate version found for grub" there is one uncommented item in the /etc/apt/sources.list (lenny main)
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13:34.11wootR_rvsjoen: Do I need to reload the bashrc file somehow? I know I did it before, but lost how :+
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13:36.31DannyButtermanDoes someone know why a vtun client suddenly refuses to connect (111) ?
13:36.43rvsjoenwootR_: source it, or login again
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13:37.14Titan8990DannyButterman, connection refused is common when the daemon is no longer listening on a particular port
13:37.22wootR_ahh great thank you
13:37.24Titan8990when a port is "closed"
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13:38.10DannyButtermantitan8990 : the vtun server is still running, and another machine is currently connected on it
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13:39.22Titan8990DannyButterman, is it a VPN your connecting to? does it allow for multiple users to connect?
13:40.13DannyButtermanyes, actually it was working flawlessly until last weekend. alway the same two clients on the same server
13:40.16jnewthow to close lynx, exit whatever from bash script.  i have lynx http://mylongurl.biz, but then it screws up my putty terminal when i run the file.
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13:41.11rvsjoenpkill lynx ?
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13:41.20rgrkillall lynx?
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13:41.36DannyButtermanTitan8990: Is there a way to get more informations on what is happening when the connection is refused ?
13:41.59jhr217here is more info on my "no candidate found" error when doing aptitude install grub, apt-cache policy grub.. installed: (none), Candidate: (none), Version table:
13:42.35jnewtrgr: returns this:  $ lynx: no process killed
13:42.47jnewtand my terminal is still messed up.
13:42.48justinjnewt: try typing reset
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13:42.57Titan8990DannyButterman, tcpdump
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13:43.16jnewtjustin: good call. was that a lynx issue, or a terminal one?
13:43.31rgrthen see what its process name is. you could do "pidof lynx && killall lynx" substituring lynx with the correct name
13:43.49justinjnewt: a little of both
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13:45.07DannyButtermanTitan8990:ok got it installed. How can I use it so I can check what's happening ?
13:45.57Titan8990DannyButterman, tcpdump -i <interface> -w file.cap
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13:46.11Titan8990DannyButterman, then load the .cap into wireshark once you have captured what you need
13:46.31cristi_mhymn: got most of my files back using photorec. logging into my paypal right now...
13:47.42jnewtjustin: will it have any adverse affects when i run it as a cron job?
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13:53.54jhr217can someone help me fix my sources.list , i am not getting good results with apt-cache search xx
13:54.16jhr217in rescue mode, can't apt-get install grub or aptitude it either. says No candidate version found..
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13:55.51fredlwhen do the NFS filesystems get mounted?
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13:56.29abrotmanjhr217: put them in a pastebin
13:57.01fredlNFS filesystems typically don't get mounted through an init script or do they?
13:57.07stewfredl: /etc/rcS.d/S45mountnfs.sh
13:57.07jhr217think i might hav fixed it, apt-get update is taking a while now
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13:57.20fredlah okay, tnx stew
13:57.26abrotman!tell jhr217 about why aptitude
13:57.35TomT0mhi, I've got a problem with my dell mouse which does not work anymore since an upgrade on sid, but I don't know exactly which package is involved - HAL, udev, X, the kernel ... any idea on how I should report the bug, or where I can ask questions ?
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13:58.36jhr217abrotman, thanks the package installed now, i needed deb in addition to deb-src
13:58.42abrotmanuh yeah
13:58.52fredlstew - everything in rcS.d gets executed in single-user runlevel as WELL as before any of the multi-user runlevels right?
13:58.55jhr217i take it aptitude replaces apt-get these days?
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13:59.50stewfredl: right
13:59.50abrotmanjhr217: it's the recommended tool
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14:01.22clarjon1dunno if anyone here might know this, but...
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14:01.58clarjon1In KDE settings i've set it to do the mac os X style for the application menus (top of screen on a kicker bar)
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14:02.14doormatHi all, I just ssh'd into my old debian machine (running sarge), and apt-get keeps getting 404 errors.  My sources.list hasn't changed... What happened to the Sarge packages?
14:02.14clarjon1In other distros/kde configs i've used, when it was a non-kde app, it showed the KDE desktop menu
14:02.32clarjon1However, it shows no such thing on debian... i kinda miss that lol
14:02.39clarjon1it looks empty when i use a non-kde app :P
14:02.47blendmaster1024what the heck are udebs!?!?
14:02.55fredlI would guess that a firewalling init script would need to be started *right* after /etc/rcS.d/S11ifupdown, correct?
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14:03.40fredlor after /etc/rcS.d/S14networking?
14:03.42rvsjoenaren't udebs mainly stripped debs ?
14:03.47blendmaster1024fredl: i would patch S11ifupdown, but that's jsut me
14:04.15[Elvis]hej guys, how can I fix this error: Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.3.2". This configuration is not
14:04.22blendmaster1024rvsjoen: i have no idea, i'm downloading the debian repos with wget (don't flame me i have good reason) and i'm seeing a lot of ".udeb"
14:04.51clarjon1looks at blendmaster1024
14:04.52fredldoes anybody have a good impression of the new sysv-rc dependency checking yet?
14:05.03clarjon1never heard of someone doing that
14:05.11[Elvis]how can I tell debian to use a certain gcc version?
14:05.12clarjon1wants to know why ^_^
14:05.56clarjon1ah, udebs appear to mainly be stripped debs for debian-install
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14:06.28jelly-home!tell [Elvis] -about gcc
14:06.30stewfredl: i'd recommend putting firewall rules into pre-up line(s) in /etc/network/interfaces instead
14:06.33blendmaster1024clarjon1: it's actually the ubuntu repos, i'm downloading them for a friend. please don't flame me, i came here since it was a debian question and not a ubuntu one
14:06.38clarjon1lol
14:06.42clarjon1i won't flame
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14:07.13justinblendmaster1024: are you on a debian like system?
14:07.18fredlstew - well I'm developing on a firewall application (vuurmuur) that starts up some daemon as well so I don't really want to hack it in the (post?)-up lines
14:07.20stewyes, udebs are stripped down, non-policy complaint debs
14:07.31blendmaster1024i guess i shouldn't be calling it flaming but people have told me "go to #ubuntu" *EVERY SINGLE TIME* i say the word "ubuntu". ok, thanks guys.
14:07.31[Elvis]like this jelly-home export CC=gcc-4.1.3 ?
14:07.36justinblendmaster1024: you should be using something like debmirror, not wget
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14:07.50blendmaster1024justin: WHAT!?!? there is an easier way????
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14:08.00clarjon1blendmaster1024: of course there is, this is Linux
14:08.08justinblendmaster1024: try google: how to set up a debian mirror?
14:08.17blendmaster1024good grief i'm an idiot
14:08.35fredlstew, abrotman - I'd like to have my firewall daemon to be started depending on the 'ifupdown' 'Provides:' line in /etc/rcS.d/S11ifupdown
14:08.37blendmaster1024i already wrote such good scripts though that i'm gonna stick with it
14:08.43blendmaster1024crap abrotman is here
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14:08.45stewblendmaster1024: there is also apt-mirror
14:08.50justinnot that wget won't work eventually, but debmirror and such do things much more intelligently
14:09.13fredlif I understand correctly, that can be done with a 'Required-Start: ifupdown' in my firewall rc script, correct?
14:09.39justinfredl: put your firewall script in /etc/network/if-up.d/
14:10.33stewonly if it is idempotent, as if-up.d gets run multiple times if you have multiple interfaces
14:10.36fredljustin - hmm... that's what stew also just recommended I think...
14:11.09fredlstew, justin - so you'd even put it there if a daemon gets started up as part of the firewalling ?
14:11.10justini think ifupdown provides environment variables that indicate the interface
14:11.19justinfirewall daemon? huh
14:11.24fredlyes
14:11.36fredlthat's what I just said :)
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14:12.02fredland for the firewall daemon to start up properly I *think* that it requires all interface to be up (not sure)
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14:12.17justinfirewall daemon?
14:12.18fredlwell in fact the latter I'm not sure about at all.
14:12.26fredlyes, pkg called 'vuurmuur'
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14:14.01[Elvis]hmm, can't get my box to use gcc version 4.1.3 instead of 4.3.2... I tried that export CC=gcc-4.1.3
14:14.04[Elvis]didn't work though
14:14.14[Elvis]can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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14:20.03fredlwhat does the 'Required-Stop: $local_fs' in the init scripts mean?
14:21.35[Elvis]can anyone help me with this gcc problem I'm having...need to use a different version then it's using atm
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14:22.58fredlstew - as the firewalling script that starts up the daemon, creates the rules etc is 'idempotent' (I hope that means 'it should be started only once') it should be started from /etc/rcS.d, do I understand correctly?
14:23.00ShiFTKeyim having problems with disk quotas, can anyone here help me?
14:23.16fredl!anyone
14:23.17dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.  Instead, ask your real question.  (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)  See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
14:23.28ShiFTKeywhoops, sorry
14:24.13ShiFTKeyIm have two problem with quotas, My first one is simple, I cant figure out how to remove a user quota from the repquota list
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14:24.48fredlstew - so I want my firewalling daemon to be started after S11ifupdown but before S11mountall.sh
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14:25.39fredlstew - so I should make S11vuurmuur, but alphabetically that would execute it after S11mountall. How do I make sure it gets started *before* S11mountall?
14:25.44module000fredl: then don't you need to space out ifupdown & mountall?
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14:26.14fredl'space out' ? what does that mean?
14:26.14module000fredl: if you just refuse to space them out, then remove them both and have S11yourjunk which calls their init.d scripts in your order explicitly
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14:26.27module000fred1 S11foo S12bar S13fun
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14:26.55fredloh, right... well I'm asking this hoping that the new sysv-rc dependency checking can sort it out instead.
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14:27.27module000fredl: oh, i don't know about that stuff
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14:27.41fredlmodule000, as te (Sid) sysv-rc pkg checks for 'Require:' etc inside the scripts.
14:28.10module000fredl: I'll go read up on it, sounds like a good addition
14:28.23fredlI agree.
14:28.24[Elvis]debian and gcc is obviously messed up
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14:29.07alex_1hi all, I'm in the process of installation of lenny.  does it make any diff to create encrypted volume and then create lvm on it or create lvm first and then encrypt all volumes?
14:29.21fredlI think I could also add 'Required-Start: checkfs vuurmuur' to S11mountall.sh (where I added 'vuurmuur', being the Provides: line in my firewall rc script)
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14:30.13module000[Elvis]: whats wrong with your gcc?  not the version you expect?
14:30.53module000[Elvis]: your box is going to run whatever is symlinked at /usr/bin/gcc, ie..:  ls -l `which gcc`     <--- notice the backquotes
14:31.00jelly-home[Elvis]: did you try what dpkg told you in a private message?
14:31.40jelly-home[Elvis]: what are you trying to build?
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14:32.25[Elvis]ok now how can I change thta symbolic link jelly-home
14:32.30[Elvis]the cc didn't change it
14:34.31jnewtany thoughts on how to have a bash script login to a website? website uses post variables from a form to validate login and set a cookie.
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14:34.51[Elvis]jelly-home do I need to reomve the symlink and recreate it or? is there any way debian does this for me?
14:35.22Titan8990jnewt, you could use something like scapy to form custom packets and then send them via netcat
14:35.43jnewtthat sounds awful :(
14:36.24brad_anyone can name me a small linux distro (prefer debian based)I can use for a rdesktop cleint ?
14:36.26jelly-home[Elvis]: Debian doesn't support changing that symlink.  You may do it the usual way, with ln.  However there may be a cleaner way to accomplish your goal, but so far you failed to state it.
14:36.56[Elvis]I failed to state it? you mean update-alternatives?
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14:37.24joel__hi i want to install lenny in a machine that has a sata cdrom drive but lenny installer does not detect it, it says cdrom not found, how can i do?
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14:37.48hark[Elvis]: /msg dpkg gcc
14:38.11[Elvis]I got that hark
14:38.20radoejnewt: curl can do this.
14:38.36[Elvis]I did that export hark, but i didn't fix iit
14:38.52jnewti just found in man that lynx has a -post_data option.  maybe this is the way to go.
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14:40.43OpenTokixCan I check somehow, if postfix even  tries to invoke procmail in my userdir?
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14:42.16[Elvis]hark are you there?
14:43.50doormatHi.  I'd like to edit a system's script which sets up iptables at boot time.  What are some good candidates for where to look for such a script on this machine?  I tried /etc/rc.local, but that's empty.
14:44.16[Elvis]nice when people just sling in a dpkg message to you how to do something and then dissappear..I tried setting cc for the correct version of gcc, when I type file /usr/bin/gcc it still points to the wrong one...is the next step to delete the symlink and create a new one?
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14:44.26hark[Elvis]: sorry don't know of another way.. read /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian under Practical Implications and ...alternatives
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14:45.07[Elvis]I did hark I read it, they advise to use the export CC
14:45.08[Elvis]stuff
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14:45.27[Elvis]but that obviously doesn't work
14:45.57harkwhat are you compiling?
14:46.07[Elvis]trying to compile stuff for vmware server
14:46.18[Elvis]my kernel has been compiled using 4.1.3
14:46.42[Elvis]while the current active gcc is 4.3.1....so it needs to change back to the old one
14:47.03[Elvis]now I can just go arund removing the symlink and place a new one...but this can't possible be the way debian meant it to be done?
14:47.10harkyou have a backports kernel?
14:47.26[Elvis]I just apt-getted the bigmem kernel of lenny
14:47.28[Elvis]nothing special
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14:49.14hark[Elvis]: try temporarily linking gcc-4.1 to gcc and try
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14:52.04hark[Elvis]: once that is done, point it back to gcc-4.3
14:52.31harkif that doesn't work, it's a vmware problem
14:52.38[Elvis]hark did that now...ugly way toi solve it....debian should fix this
14:52.44[Elvis]just put it in update-alternatives
14:53.25hark[Elvis]: that's why i mentioned the factoid, it gives reasons why the alternatives is not used for gcc
14:54.29Titan8990[Elvis], multiple gcc versions does not get much debian support
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14:55.36stew[Elvis]: if setting the CC environment variable doesn't work, you should fix whatever makefiles you are using which don't know to look at this veraible
14:55.38harkhe does have a point as the kernel is compiled using that gcc, which can't be helped
14:55.57stew[Elvis]: we'd recommend you not alter the gcc symlink, there should be no reason to
14:56.17stew[Elvis]: i believe gcc's README.Debian will also point to some reasons that it is not managed via alternatives
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15:02.26jnewtthis lynx -post_data option,  anyone know how to use it?  i just need to send a username and password.  i tried #lynx, seems dead.
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15:03.14MASARUwotajnewt: you should try #linux
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15:03.26jnewtgoes to linux
15:03.35stewhe means ##linux
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15:05.24joltcanjnewt: No idea, but --post-data="foobar" in wget
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15:05.53jnewtjoltcan: how do you do two vars, separate with &?  that is what i am trying.
15:06.56joltcanjnewt: user=foo&password=bar, if those are the correct parameters
15:07.05petemc--http-user=cockus --http-passwd=biggus
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15:07.53joltcanjnewt: and ase petemc says, it depends on if it is a HTTP server login or user/pass on a web form as well
15:08.08jnewtit's a user / pass on a web form.
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15:10.20joel__if i want to install debian using a usb pendrive, do i have delete all its content?
15:10.51MASARUwotayou'll need to format it to ext3 first, i guess
15:11.24astralvo_Hi all: here's a very beginner question. How do I know, in Debian, if a crontab did actually run or not? (other than looking for changes, which, in this case, isnt easy)
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15:12.12valdynastralvo_: theres no general way
15:12.38valdynastralvo_: you can see the effect of cron jobs or get output of cron jobs as email
15:13.20astralvo_valdyn: on another debian installation, there was indeed an email output, how can I set it up so i can get emailed the output in this installation?
15:13.37valdynastralvo_: that is the default, you dont need to set it up
15:13.55valdynastralvo_: you can just break your mailer to the effect that you wont get mail
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15:14.44valdynastralvo_: root gets the mail by default. That should be redirected to some user.
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15:16.02valdynastralvo_: debian cron jobs are usually set up in a way that only errors will be printed and thus sent as mail
15:16.07AnalogHoleAnyone here try to build cups 1.4 from testing on lenny? I get real far and then it failis with "dh_makeshlibs: command returned error code 256"
15:16.59AnalogHoleDunno where to go to find otu the details for that error
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15:17.11radoeastralvo_: cron logs which jobs it runs via syslog, the messages can be found in /var/log/syslog
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15:19.00astralvo_radoe: what if a cron instruction just can't find the file to execute? will it output an error? cuz I entered a cron job for every 2 minutes and still dont get an error msg (with a file that doesnt exist)
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15:20.41valdyn[Elvis]: MAKEFLAGS CC="gcc-4.1" make-kpkg ....
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15:21.11valdyn[Elvis]: err: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.1" make-kpkg ....
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15:22.56astralvo_radoe: thanks
15:23.13radoeastralvo_: cron spawns a shell for your crontab-command. If this produces any output on stdout or stderr cron tries to mail it to you (unless MAILTO is empty)
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15:23.43radoeastralvo_: if MAILTO is empty, is simply discards the output.
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15:25.37astralvo_radoe: whats that MAILTO u are referring to? is this a field in my apache config file or something? how do I set up mailto so it mails to my shell?
15:26.05radoeastralvo_: have a look at man 5 crontab
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15:27.25cireIs there anywhere a list of linux games like sauerbraten, openarena and so on? Are there any strategic games, like command and conquer or similar? I am interested in commercial and non-commercial games.
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15:27.54nigihayami!intel
15:27.54dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE
15:27.57nigihayami!graphics
15:27.57dpkggraphics is probably The pictures that computers display. Not text, but just about everything else.
15:28.05radoeastralvo_: you need a mail system which provides /usr/bin/sendmail binary on the same system as your cron.
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15:28.55craigevilcire: http://happypenguin.org/ is a good place to start looking
15:29.05cirethank you craigevil
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15:29.54Joelio_Hi all would this work in a syslog.conf? *.emerg; *.alert; *.crit; *.warn; *.err  @server.ltd
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15:36.24nigihayamihow can I install intel graphics driver?
15:36.24valdynnigihayami: its installed if the xorg package is installed
15:36.24jelly-homeJoelio_: you only need the lowest priority, by default it means "messages of this priority and higher"
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15:36.27nigihayamivaldyn: but the performance is sucs
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15:36.45nigihayamihow can I check if it is installed?
15:37.01valdynnigihayami: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel
15:37.10Gate1Gate: my nick. Please choose another.
15:37.28jelly-homeJoelio_: compared to eg. *.=warn, which means just the warnings
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15:37.50nigihayamivaldyn: it is installed as a package but how can I activate it I mean.
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15:38.12valdynnigihayami: thats usually automagic, read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:38.25disposablei have a file with filenames. some filenames are in there twice, some once. how do i get a list of only the items that are there once?
15:38.33nigihayamivaldyn: thx checking
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15:39.18\amethystdisposable:  is it sorted?
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15:39.39disposable\amethyst: yes, ihave sorted it
15:40.16nigihayamivaldyn: you are right, it is installed but performance is too low, what do you prefer?
15:40.19\amethystdisposable:  uniq -u
15:41.03disposable\amethyst: oh bugger, how could i have missed that... thanks
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15:45.19Joelio_jelly-home: many thanks! so *.warn @server should be enough to catch all the more serious errors too?
15:45.26jelly-homeJoelio_: right
15:45.33Joelio_cool, cheerw
15:45.36Joelio_cheers even
15:45.50jelly-homeJoelio_: there's even a man syslog.conf
15:46.20Joelio_jelly-home: Oh excellent, I'll look in there
15:46.27valdynnigihayami: which debian release?
15:47.08nigihayamivaldyn: 5.0 testing
15:47.29valdynnigihayami: thats mutually exclusive, either 5.0 or testing
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15:48.19nigihayamitesting
15:48.36valdyncant help you then
15:48.58nigihayamiok thanks
15:49.02valdynjudd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
15:49.03juddvaldyn: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.0-1 squeeze: 2:2.9.0-1
15:49.16valdynmm, maybe i can
15:49.23valdyn!intel slow scrolling
15:49.23dpkgSwitch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
15:49.29valdynnigihayami: try that one ^^
15:49.35nigihayamiok trying
15:49.38astralvo_Command output is mailed to the crontab owner (BSD can’t do this), can be mailed to a person other than the crontab owner (SysV can’t do this), or the feature can be turned off and no mail will be sent at all (SysV can’t do
15:49.40astralvo_<PROTECTED>
15:49.54astralvo_radoe: sorry if I'm annoying, but man 5 crontab says this: "(see line pasted above)" but doesnt specify how to do this
15:50.14module000astralvo_: you want to disable mail about cron jobs?
15:50.16astralvo_radoe: i'm still lost as to how to specify where i want the output to be mailed.
15:50.27module000astralvo_: put MAILTO="whatever@foo.com" at the top of crontab
15:50.28astralvo_no, i wanna specify it (module000)
15:50.32module000astralvo_: or MAILTO="" to disable it
15:50.38valdynastralvo_: its root if you have no MAILTO line
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15:50.49astralvo_module000: oh, ok... let me try that
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15:54.19petern_longshot... is there a way to get a libtermcap on lenny?
15:54.24nigihayamivaldyn: still suffering
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15:55.23valdynnigihayami: what exactly is slow?
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15:55.28AlHafoudhhi all
15:55.29AlHafoudhplease
15:55.35AlHafoudhhow to change From: field using fetchmail
15:56.01valdynAlHafoudh: not with fetchmail
15:56.20nigihayamivaldyn: when I dragging a windows cpu runs %50
15:56.28valdynnigihayami: thats ok
15:56.33AlHafoudhvaldyn: how?
15:56.49valdynAlHafoudh: whats the point of the exercise?
15:57.11ianj|Classhas anyone had issues with netatalk and/or the GNOME panel network notification icon going from lenny to squeeze?
15:57.22nigihayamivaldyn: and when I switch another window it takes 2-3 seconds to open
15:57.27AlHafoudhvaldyn: fetching voicemail from avaya system and forwarding the mail, i need to change sender address to something that postfix accepts
15:57.31AlHafoudhvaldyn: please, help
15:58.18[Elvis]hej guys, is there a package for the program pacemaker in lennyt
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15:58.44rvsjoenhttp://packages.debian.org
15:58.47stewjudd: versions pacemaker
15:58.48juddstew: pacemaker -- sid: 0.6.5-1+b1
15:59.11valdynAlHafoudh: you know about the "mda" option in fetchmailrc?
15:59.12ianj|Classthe squeeze update didn't update netatalk, and now apt refuses to either remove or update the lenny package
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15:59.42AlHafoudhvaldyn: yes
15:59.50valdynAlHafoudh: what do you have in it?
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16:00.15AlHafoudhvaldyn: cat
16:00.27valdynAlHafoudh: cat ?
16:00.31valdynAlHafoudh: how does that work?
16:00.32AlHafoudhvaldyn: because i process the mail later for sending sms, but also i need to forward it
16:00.39valdynAlHafoudh: ok
16:00.43AlHafoudhvaldyn: cat to tempfile then foreach
16:00.56valdynAlHafoudh: then you can process the From: later too
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16:01.39eirikbHow can I set a directory to have write and read access to a group, in such a way that when user a "touch file" the file can be directly edited by another user?
16:01.43valdynAlHafoudh: or just in the mda line you could put "sed -e 's/From:idiot/From:rightguy/'"
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16:02.32AlHafoudhvaldyn: but how do i save it to file also? how to have two --mda serially
16:02.45valdynAlHafoudh: you said you just have "cat"
16:02.56valdynAlHafoudh: "cat" does not save to file
16:03.05valdynAlHafoudh: why would the sed save to file?
16:03.15doormatHi all, I just ssh'd into my old debian machine (running sarge), and apt-get keeps getting 404 errors.  My sources.list hasn't changed... What happened to the Sarge packages?
16:03.45ianj|Classwhat is the URL you have them going to?
16:03.46et!sarge
16:03.46dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported.  Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>.  Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge
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16:05.23jairhello guys, I have a couple of questions about my debian server built in scsi disks sda and sdb both drives http://paste.debian.net/50095/ looks like this may not be right?
16:05.30astralvo_oh well... still not working. can someone tell me if i have the right syntax to make it run every 2 minutes? : */2 * * * * /var/www/vhosts/test.com/httpdocs/rwc-auto.php
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16:05.40jairis there a room for mdadm?
16:05.51rvsjoenastralvo_: yes
16:05.52valdyn!room
16:05.53dpkgCHANNEL!
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16:05.55greycatastralvo_: yes, also see "man 5 crontab"
16:05.56eshatHi all. What do I need to install on debian sid, when I want cpu frequence scaling activated in the KDE Power Manager, it now says "not supported".
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16:06.11valdyneshat: aptitude install cpufrequtils
16:06.17jairis there a channel for mdadm? correction thanks valdyn
16:06.22AlHafoudhvaldyn: can i procmail it? i get invalid user
16:06.23greycatastralvo_: that is, it's right if you are in "crontab -e", and NOT in /etc/crontab
16:06.32jairI tried #raid and #mdadm and nothing
16:06.34greycat/etc/crontab requires an extra field
16:06.35eshatvaldyn: I did,... but it stillst says, not supported, even after a kdm restart
16:06.39valdynAlHafoudh: yes you can procmail it
16:06.41_kein my apache access.log i can see lines like this: 127.0.0.1 - - [25/Oct/2009:07:18:47 +0100] "GET /" 400 474 "-" "-" every few minutes. how could i check, from which program they are coming?
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16:06.54eshatvaldyn: I ll try a complete reboot
16:06.57eshatthanks
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16:07.04astralvo_greycat: not sure i understand what u mean... I edited the crontab with "crontab -e"
16:07.11AlHafoudhvaldyn: how? i get the user error
16:07.11greycatastralvo_: ok, then you're fine.
16:07.18valdynthis /usr/share/doc thing seems to be largely unknown
16:07.21valdynhow funny
16:07.23jairdoes anyone here understand mdadm enough to discuss with me about it? it looks like you can not have "0" downtime configutarion...
16:07.41valdynjair: why cant you?
16:07.51jairvaldyn: well check this -> http://paste.debian.net/50095/
16:07.57greycat!ask
16:07.57dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:07.58astralvo_greycat: so if all is well... how come i'm not getting the output by email? I set up the MAILTO= line as the first line of my crontab... i got the right syntax, i even checked the PHP ran it from the shell it runs fine... :S I'm puzzled
16:08.10greycatastralvo_: did you install a mail transfer agent?
16:08.15jelly-homejair: you sure can if your devices are hotpluggable and your controller _and the driver_ are hotplug compliant
16:08.19radoeastralvo_: just to make sure - /var/www/vhosts/test.com/httpdocs/rwc-auto.php is executable and has  shebang to your php interpreter set?
16:08.23valdynjair: so?
16:08.35xMinehello - another noob question from me (-.-): i want to delete a directory with other dirs/files in it. sould i do: "rmdir -p server" ?
16:08.41astralvo_greycat: no i didnt... didnt know about that
16:08.41greycatastralvo_: make sure   echo hi | mail $LOGNAME   works.
16:08.43valdynjair: whats the actual problem?
16:08.54valdynjair: none of my raids have a partition table either
16:08.58greycatastralvo_: apt-get install exim4    or something
16:09.00jairvaldyn: also I did a test, after I configured the whole raid with mdadm I disconnected the first drive and the machine continue running, that was good, but if I reboot the machine without that first drive in "sda" then the system did not boot
16:09.07greycatastralvo_: you may also want to install mailx
16:09.17radoeastralvo_: and as mentioned - yo have a mail system setup providing a sendmail binary?
16:09.25jelly-homexMine: rm's -r option does the recursive deletion of everything inside the target
16:09.27valdynjair: your boot manager needs to be on the disk you try to boot from
16:09.31astralvo_radoe: yes, i have this as a shebang: #!/usr/bin/php
16:09.33valdynjair: maybe it was only on sda
16:09.39greycatxMine: rm -rf directoryname    # recursively removes all of it
16:09.42xMinek, i'll try it. thanks
16:09.43jairvaldyn: I think is in both
16:09.52valdyn!think
16:09.52dpkgDon't think. KNOW.
16:09.59jairI have access to the server now and I can paste the grub configuration on both disks
16:10.03greycatI disagree.  Definitely think.
16:10.11valdynjair: please dont paste the mbr
16:10.18valdynjair: the mbr is what needs to be on both
16:10.21astralvo_ok guys, let me try all of your suggestions... brb
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16:10.25valdynjair: the grub mbr is what needs to be on both
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16:10.52jairvaldyn: I think it is in both...how can I check if is there?
16:11.08valdynjair: if the system boots then its properly installed on both
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16:11.09jairvaldyn: is there  way for me to check from the command line while the server is running?
16:11.51jelly-homejair: which grub and how did you install it on sdb? grub-legacy doesn't know about this, and you'd have had to do it manually
16:12.07valdynjair: something like "dd if=/dev/sda count=1 bs=512 | strings"
16:12.20jairvaldyn: check this => http://paste.debian.net/50096/
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16:12.39swayhello.  i have a base debian install and i'm trying to bring the wireless card up.  is there more to it than inserting the module (modprobe) and adding a stanza to /etc/interfaces?
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16:12.53valdynjair: 3 raids, so?
16:12.57astralvo_greycat: mailx was already the newest version and exim4 was reported as "uninstallable"
16:12.59clarjon1hums and compiles a custom firefox3.5 ^_^
16:13.09AlHafoudhvaldyn: please, how to resent the email to smtp with changed From: field?
16:13.25greycatastralvo_: exim4 should be installable in lenny.  What version of Debian are you using?
16:13.32AlHafoudhvaldyn: i am in real hurry, the service is paused becasue of this :(
16:13.33valdynAlHafoudh: i think you just want to create a new mail
16:13.40AlHafoudhvaldyn: how
16:13.44valdynAlHafoudh: im not in a hurry and Im not paid to help you
16:13.45astralvo_and when I ran     echo hi | mail balder423 (which is my logname) nothing happened and i just got another shell line... does that mean it work or not? should I have gotten an email?
16:14.00AlHafoudhvaldyn: i know :( but iam desperate, i really appreciate you help
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16:14.28greycatastralvo_: check to see if /var/mail/balder423 has stuff in it
16:14.37astralvo_debian 4.0
16:14.39swayi must be doing somethig wrong then
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16:14.44greycatjudd, versions exim4
16:14.45juddgreycat: exim4 -- etch: 4.63-17 etch-backports: 4.69-9~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.69-9 sid: 4.69-9 sid: 4.69-11 squeeze: 4.69-11 experimental: 4.70~cvs+20091017-1
16:14.48eirikbI just used useradd -m globalGroup username, this way he can't write files in any other group. Although he can't write into home dir, well well
16:14.57astralvo_greycat: debian 4.0
16:14.59valdynAlHafoudh: just resend the mail including all the header nonsense, with the line: mda "mail -s fax"
16:15.03greycatastralvo_: etch has exim4 as well.  if it's not installable, you need to find out what the problem is.
16:15.15valdynAlHafoudh: -s is the subject
16:15.25clarjon1wow is today Have A Mail Issue Day? lol
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16:15.49valdynAlHafoudh: and after that bring your system back online and learn what you are trying to do and do it nicer
16:16.06astralvo_greycat: the balder423 in mail doesn't even exist :S strange...
16:16.15[Elvis]hej guys, openais as package in lenny is heartbeat - openais?
16:16.18greycatastralvo_: you need to get exim4 installed, or postfix, or sendmail
16:16.21valdynAlHafoudh: oops, "mail -s fax mail@destination.com"
16:16.24astralvo_greycat: i logged as root...
16:16.36astralvo_ok i,ll try the other ones
16:16.57jairjelly-home: this is how I did it ---> http://paste.debian.net/50097/
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16:17.02jairvaldyn: http://paste.debian.net/50097/
16:17.23jairthat is how I copied the grub from the hd1 to hd0
16:17.32jairor sdb to sda
16:17.41valdynjair: ok
16:18.01valdynjair: though i just would have run "grub-install /dev/sda && grub-install /dev/sdb"
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16:19.10jairvaldyn: but I think that works though because when the machine is booting I have two menus, if I press "e" I can see what kernel boots what disk, and I try "manually" doing both and they work
16:19.42valdynjair: then whats the problem?
16:19.47valdynjair: your bios disk boot order?
16:19.59valdynjair: you never told me where boot fails when it fails
16:20.29eirikbAha! newgrp just opens a new shell with the set group, to change default group I must edit the passwd directly
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16:20.54jairvaldyn: but if I remove the sda drive, the system keeps running and I see the message I/O error whatever then I re-insert a new drive (blank) to rebuild it I do not get the info of the new empty drive... so I need to reboot and if I reboot (there is not redundancy) because I don't suppouse to reboot the machine to get the new drive rebuilt
16:21.22valdynjair: you need a proper hotplug supporting sata controller and driver naturally
16:21.23jairvaldyn: it fails when the machine restart without the drive sda
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16:21.34valdynjair: HOW does it fail
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16:22.19valdynjair: the sata spec supports hotplug. That does not imply that all sata controllers do
16:23.30jairvaldyn: I do have scsi
16:23.31valdynjair: if you dont see a grub boot menu with sda removed then fix your bios settings
16:23.37valdynjair: same for scsi
16:23.41jairok
16:23.47swayyes.  is there an easier way to capture messages from the console than >> or >&  ?  like a print screen function?
16:23.57valdynjair: or maybe your scsi doesnt support hotplug at all anyway
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16:24.11jairso I will need to check my bios setting to boot first from scsi0 and if it fail boot scsi1
16:24.24valdynjair: or your scsi controller firmware
16:24.30jairvaldyn: I will have to do all those tests
16:25.10valdynjair: and dont try to hotplug hardware that doesnt support it
16:25.18valdynjair: you can break your controller and maybe disk
16:25.20jairvaldyn: but if I had a regular desktop, not scsi just a simple IDE drives, I just need to make sure the sda and sdb boot order
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16:25.47valdynjair: same thing, maybe fixing boot order is a little easier on a regular desktop
16:25.50jairvaldyn: I was tryign to test the raid redundancy and It works though
16:25.58jairunderstand
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16:26.47valdynjair: but in reality your system will have more downtime anyway if one disk becomes "half" broken
16:27.03actonhello; i rebooted yesterday I believe, and I'm not sure if this is the cause of the latest kernel but when I echo 1>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward I get an invalid write argument error from echo. Any ideas?
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16:27.54themillacton: do you have a space between the 1 and the > ?
16:28.04actonno
16:28.31actonI've never seen a space before
16:28.32jelly-homeacton: which shell are you using?  zsh will only let you do >> instead of > there
16:28.36actonbash
16:28.55greycatacton: you have to be root.
16:29.02actonuh. yeah.
16:29.09jelly-homeah, the dumb reason
16:29.11themill1> means redirect stdout, 1 > means echo 1 to stdout
16:29.31greycatacton: show us exactly what you typed and exactly what the error is
16:29.35actonweird. thanks.
16:29.43valdynacton: echo 1>test, then read your created test file
16:29.56jelly-homegreycat: nah, you got it already
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16:30.21swaythere's no argument for the echo command?
16:30.36jelly-homeacton: you might want to put that "net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1" into /etc/sysctl.conf
16:30.59actonwerd. thanks
16:31.06themillor use the ipmasq package
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16:31.55themillit's also dead :(
16:32.03jelly-homeit only worked with almost-trivial configs
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16:34.48jairvaldyn: what do you mean if one disk becomes half broken?
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16:36.09evilhackerdudehiho
16:36.18evilhackerdudeis there no rubygems for ruby 1.9.1 in squeeze?
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16:37.15jelly-homenone for evil hax0r d00dz
16:37.36jelly-homejudd: versions rubygems1.9.1
16:37.37juddjelly-home: rubygems1.9.1 -- sid: 1.3.5-2
16:37.47jelly-home!why is rubygems1.9.1 not in testing
16:37.47dpkgrubygems1.9.1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rubygems1.9.1
16:37.47jairvaldyn: but there is something interesting I did.  1) if the bios is setup to boot the (sda) and the grub and linux mdadm is set up to boot (sdb) and everything is sync etc... if I reboot the system it comes up wihout problems
16:37.52jelly-homeevilhackerdude: ^^
16:37.57evilhackerdudeawesome, thanks
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16:38.05greycatit's rubygems1.9.1 version 1.3.5?  *explode*
16:38.41jelly-homegreycat: imagine there was a cpan5.10 package
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16:40.01jairvaldyn: if I remove the (sda) then the system keeps running. but if I reboot the system I get a boot error...
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16:42.23linduxedi created a user with useradd, and then did a passwd to change the password
16:42.24linduxednow i noted that i dont have a home directory
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16:42.41greycatadduser probably would have created it
16:42.44petemclinduxed: best to useadduser
16:42.46greycatuseradd is more low-level
16:42.49linduxedwhat are the things i need to fix because i used useradd instead of adduser
16:43.26greycatprobably easier just to remove the user at this point
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16:43.58jelly-homeevilhackerdude: this is why you run sid if you want to try and test newest crap, er, I mean, versios
16:44.14evilhackerdudejelly-home: haha :-) i was just about to do that (and fail!)
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16:44.58jelly-homeevilhackerdude: if you're lucky, you may be able to add sid for jsut a second, try and get just that package, and remove it afterwards, but I didn't tell you that.
16:45.00jairvaldyn: so it actually does not make sense because the system is booting all the time from the (sdb) as you can see here in the menu.lst file ---> http://paste.debian.net/50101/
16:45.19evilhackerdudejelly-home: oh, i've been through this. i don't want to do it again :)
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16:45.57jelly-homeevilhackerdude: this mix of testing and unstable can be semi-automated with careful pinning, but it breaks down when the freeze comes
16:46.12blistovDebian 2.2.  Telnet to Debian machine.  I am connected to telnet, but am never presented a login prompt.
16:46.15blistovAnyone know why?
16:46.26liableyikes
16:46.30jelly-hometelnetting to 1999 doesn't work
16:47.33greycatblistov: if you *do* want it to work, you'll have to figure out what's going on starting with /etc/inetd.conf most likely.
16:47.43jelly-homeblistov: the machine could be having some sort of a resource starvation issue.  Be it CPU time, or ttys, or something else.
16:47.46greycatblistov: but I'd strongly recommend not using telnet.  Use ssh instead.
16:48.12jelly-homeblistov: do you have physical or console access?
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16:48.46greycat!potato
16:48.46dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, potato is Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information.  See also <potato sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
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16:49.07blistovgreycat: I have no choice in the matter.  Not my machine :)
16:49.16blistovjelly-home: i have physical access.
16:49.25liableplease tell me its a play machine
16:49.30jelly-homeblistov: try logging in at the console, then
16:49.48blistovI am able to login.  I cannot telnet to the machine though, even from localhost
16:49.57blistovagain, telnet connects, but no login prompt.
16:49.58valdynjair: well, if you boot from hd1 and *remove* hd0, then there is no hd1 anymore
16:50.07greycatcheck to be sure telnetd is installed, that /etc/inetd.conf looks sane, that inetd is running, etc.  check for errors in /var/log
16:50.09jelly-homeblistov: you can try stracing the in.telnetd process.  Does any exist?
16:50.16valdynjair: so your menu.lst needs to use hd0, as after removal of hd0 your former hd1 becomes hd0
16:50.33blistovjelly-home: stracing telnetd was my next move.  won't get a chance till tonight though.
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16:51.01blistovgreycat: telnet is definitely running.  I get MOT and esc sequence info.
16:51.10greycatalso check for errors in dmesg, as a machine that old might very well have failing hardware
16:51.23blistovgreycat: checked dmesg, nothing suspicious.
16:51.41blistovIs there some weirdness with old debian and nsswitch or hosts.deny/allow?
16:51.47blistovor /etc/hosts?
16:51.48greycatquite possibly
16:51.54greycathosts shouldn't matter
16:51.57blistovbut can't login even from localhost via telnet.
16:51.59blistovhrm.
16:52.07blistovgreycat: you're everywhere!
16:52.38blistovgreycat: suspiciously everywhere.
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16:59.35superlinuxhow can i use scp to copy many files to a remote directory D? D does not exist on the remote box.
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17:01.12jelly-homesuperlinux: move them to a directory named D locally first?
17:02.02superlinuxjelly-home, must I?
17:02.17jelly-homeif you intend to stick to scp, sure
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17:02.41jelly-homeor use a sftp client and do what you like
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17:02.48jelly-homeor use rsync
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17:03.34superlinuxok.. I am disappointed with such scp
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17:03.41swaydoes scp work independent of  ssh?
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17:04.20jelly-homesuperlinux: scp is a hack involving shell and shell expansions... recommend against using it except for one-off stuff
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17:04.54superlinuxjelly-home, so the best  choice recommended is?
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17:05.16jelly-homesuperlinux: rsync if you have it installed at both ends, or sftp
17:05.16jhutchins_ltsuperlinux: ssh <remote system> mkdir -p /path/to/D
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17:05.41superlinuxok
17:06.11jelly-homejhutchins_lt: well if we're playing that way, then he can do tar cf - blah... | ssh remote '(cd /dest; tar xfv -)
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17:06.19jelly-homeor whatever
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17:07.21jhutchins_ltYeah, that's fun.   I prefer rsync myself.
17:07.58superlinuxOff topic guys. I  am just watching now an Arab series show. about Arab migrants living in London/UK.  nice story to me as I am a migrant too in AU
17:08.25superlinuxname of series Arabs in London "عرب لندن"
17:08.45superlinuxI have to go for the series. brb
17:09.04linduxedif i run a fsck.ext3 and it says that inode xxxxxx has illegal blocks and it asks me whether it should Clear... is there anything that can get broken if i type yes?
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17:09.48jelly-homelinduxed: yes.  If it was a directory the entries therein will become not linked anywhere, and fsck will probably place them in /lost+found
17:09.53helosuch offtopic insolence!
17:09.54jhutchins_ltlinduxed: Yes, but very little you can do about it.
17:10.23jelly-homelinduxed: hope your backups are in working condition
17:10.34linduxedso in the end its best to just run yes on the whole list and then pick up the survivors in lost+found?
17:10.46linduxedwell this comp doesnt have backups
17:10.48linduxednot mine
17:11.19swaywill ddrescue save the salvagable files in a corrupt disc?
17:11.32sways/salvagable/salvageable/
17:11.32bottestingsway en realidad quería decir "will ddrescue save the salvageable files in a corrupt disc?"
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17:11.46jelly-homelinduxed: there are different reasons for the errors.  if you suspect hardware (disk), the wisest thing to do is probably to use dd_rescue to make an image copy or two, and then fsck a copy
17:11.53swayi don't speak portuguese
17:12.03jelly-homebottesting: use #debian-bots for testing
17:12.06jairvaldyn: does that happen because of the setting on the menu.lst? default 0 and fallback 1?
17:12.08valdynsway: dd_rescue will read what can be read
17:12.17swayvaldyn: thank you sir
17:12.36valdynjair: fallback is only needed if the first disk is broken but still plugged in and detected
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17:13.57jelly-homelinduxed: it's a good idea to make an image copy in any case, if fsck makes more trouble than it was supposed to
17:13.57valdynjair: i dont realy know what you mean with "does that happen?", does *what* happen?
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17:14.27jelly-homelinduxed: then you can go and ask ext3-users mailing lsit what to do with that system ;-)
17:14.45jairvaldyn: I see
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17:15.39jairvaldyn: sorry my question was does this ---> 11:48 < valdyn> jair: so your menu.lst needs to use hd0, as after removal of hd0 your former hd1 becomes hd0
17:15.59jairvaldyn: happen automatically because of the settings I have on the menu.lst
17:17.09jairvaldyn: I did another test I removed the second drive sdb and the system kept running fine, after that I inserted a blank HD empty but the controller did not detected it :( so I restarted the server and this time it boot with not issues.
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17:17.46jairvaldyn: so if I take the drive sda out and restart the server with an empty drive the server does not boot because it detects the drive sda and it is empty
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17:20.09swayi just installed a base system, by default through the netinstall, is there a manual installed with the base install?
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17:20.31swayi can't find it
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17:24.02jelly-homesway: there isn't, install debian-reference
17:24.05clarjon1yays as he figures out how to use the branding :D
17:24.07jelly-home!reference
17:24.07dpkgThe Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  Latest version is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ .  Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
17:24.29clarjon1now my firefox build says firefox instead of Shiretoko lol
17:24.30swayjelly-home: thank you
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17:24.46atomikuHow can I bzip all files in a directory?
17:24.54atomikuso foo.bar ---> foo.bar.bzip, etc
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17:25.02atomiku(In one command, would be nice :3)
17:25.04jelly-homeatomiku: um... bzip *
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17:25.14greycatatomiku: cd out of it, then tar cjvf foo.bar.bz2 foo-directory
17:25.15jelly-homebzip2, even
17:25.20Vi0L0Hi, im using 2.6.31.5, how can i use osf funcionality builded in kernel?
17:25.20ranixfind -type f | xargs bunzip ?
17:25.29ranixand don't forget --maxdepth 1
17:25.30jelly-homebut that'll create a nice tidy archive
17:25.36greycatranix: that is so very, very wrong.
17:25.39ranixoh bzip not bunzip
17:25.56greycatranix: more wrongness remains.
17:25.57ranixwouldn't work for bzipping
17:25.57atomikuforeach file, ja
17:26.10greycatatomiku: do you want each file compressed separately, or do you want a single tarball?
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17:26.18atomikuSeparately, please :)
17:26.25greycatoh, that's bizarre.
17:26.43greycatatomiku: in that case, *don't* cd out of it, and just run bzip2 * like jelly-home said
17:26.54atomikuooo :3
17:26.55qwyethCan anyone recommend a midi interface that 'just works'?  I want to buy something to use Rosegarden with my casio keyboard, but I don't know what to get.
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17:27.23jelly-home... pbzip2 is one of the rare programs to make multiple cores useful on my machine
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17:27.28jhutchins_ltfind /path/to/files/ exec bzip2 {}\;
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17:27.41greycatjhutchins_lt: needs a space, and -exec
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17:27.46justinno, don't use exec
17:27.54justinuse xargs -P 3
17:27.57greycatand probably a -type f
17:27.59greycatjustin: no.
17:28.06greycatxargs is COMPLETELY broken if you don't use the -0 flag
17:28.09jelly-home"they" didn't make it an /usr/bin/bzip2 alternative yet
17:28.15justingreycat: i didn't say not to use -0 :)
17:28.17justinjust use -P
17:28.24greycatimadev:~$ echo "don't use xargs" | xargs echo
17:28.24greycatxargs: missing quote?: dont use xargs
17:28.42justingreycat: find does not have a -P option
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17:29.07justinlol, well, it does, but not for procs :)
17:29.12greycatif you want it to be ever-so-slightly faster, you can use find /path -type f -exec bzip2 {} +
17:29.47justinbut that will only run one bzip2 process, with xargs you can run 3 at a time
17:29.50ranixI usually use while read filename;do foo; done;
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17:30.48jelly-homejustin: pbzip2 makes for faster uncompressing later
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17:31.00greycatgriffon:~$ find . -name "apostrophe*" -print | xargs bzip2
17:31.00greycatxargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option
17:31.03greycatbzip2: Can't open input file ./apostrophes are so: No such file or directory.
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17:31.11greycatoh, wait, I forgot to show the filename too.
17:31.19greycatunfortunately that would've made the paste too long.
17:31.29justingreycat: seriously? no one cares, anyone with half a clue uses -0
17:31.39greycatjustin: BUT YOU DID NOT PUT -0 IN YOUR EXAMPLE!
17:31.44justingreycat: what example?
17:31.48alkalinelitoJust a quick question, how do i re-launch the mirror selection menu that appers in the install process ?
17:31.50greycat13:27  justin> use xargs -P 3
17:32.04justingreycat: that is not an example, that is a command fragment
17:32.15jelly-homegreycat: yelling at the wrong j* person?
17:32.27greycatNo, pretty sure I got that one right.
17:32.34themilljustin: did ${random new user} know that was only a command fragment?
17:32.40jelly-homeoh, it was a r person
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17:32.55greycatPeople who give WRONG and DANGEROUS help are the worst.
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17:33.35sthongreycat: but it makes things interesting
17:33.43justinfind /path/to/files/ -print0 | xargs -0 -P 3 bzip2
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17:33.44justinhappy now?
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17:34.07jelly-homesthon: especially when months later one has to reeducate users
17:34.22greycatjustin: looks ok now.
17:34.28themill-type f would be nice
17:34.31rvsjoenwhy not use -exec if you are using find in the first place ?
17:34.36justinsigh
17:34.41greycat(may still want -type f but the errors are probably not serious)
17:34.49justinrvsjoen: man xargs, look at what the -P option does
17:34.50jelly-homervsjoen: does exec do paralellism?
17:34.51sthonanyone have any clue how long it might take to dd zero's to a 6tb disk?  just a general estimate...
17:34.51linduxedis there a debian specific instruction for disabling the root account and moving to sudo, or can i use the one found on the arch linux wiki?
17:34.51rvsjoendoes xargs offer any improvements ?
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17:34.57greycatrvsjoen: apparently we've been invaded by people who care more about speed than correctness
17:35.16justini thought the whole point was speed?
17:35.17greycatrvsjoen: also apparently GNU xargs has some weird -P thing that nobody else has
17:35.22jelly-homelinduxed: there's no need to disable your root account.
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17:35.36themillgreycat: this is #debian. You are allowed to assume GNU xargs.
17:35.39greycatlinduxed: just login as yourself instead of as root
17:35.42greycatthemill: yeah
17:35.47rvsjoeninteresting
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17:35.56greycatthemill: doesn't mean I'm familiar with all the GNU extensions
17:36.29greycatsthon: would vary greatly depending on the hardware speed.  "An hour, or a day, or somewhere in between"
17:36.37jelly-homelinduxed: and enable sudo usage as you normally would
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17:37.22linduxedjelly-home: i thought "since ill never use the root account, it might be good to lock it down"
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17:37.49jelly-homelinduxed: oh you'll get to needing it one day when the system breaks
17:37.50greycatlinduxed: you might need to boot into single user mode some day
17:37.58sthongreycat: that's a pretty broad guess =p
17:38.10linduxedhmm thats true
17:38.20jelly-homesthon: show me a machine that never needed any fixing during its whole lifecycle
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17:38.44greycatsthon: I've got two different Debian systems with different hardware, but they both do occasional backups of local SCSI disk arrays to local SCSI tape drives.  One of them does such backups about 5 times as fast as the other.
17:38.47sthoneh?
17:38.57sthonI break something almost every day.
17:39.02jelly-homesthon: oh sorry
17:39.07jelly-homecannot read
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17:39.32jelly-homegreycat: that's because tapes suck! :-D
17:40.03greycatIt's the same tape drive on both systems, though.  The differences are the other stuff.
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17:40.38jelly-homesthon: in short: try a shorter dd, use vmstat or iostat to see fow fast it writes, do your math, and multiply by two as a fuzz factor
17:41.30jelly-homesthon: if it's already running, you may run "iostat -mx sda 1" right now, see how much get written to /dev/sda each second
17:41.58jelly-homegreycat: defragmenation does _wonders_ for the backup time
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17:42.14sthonjelly-home: thanks, that helped.
17:42.39RichiHhmm. when i define classids with tc class, how can i tag traffic so it is put into the correct class?
17:43.02RichiHi seem to remember doing it with iptables, but my memory is weak
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17:44.23RichiHah, tc filter, innit
17:45.16stewindeed
17:45.47jelly-homewhere do those tc things go to be reloaded at boot time?
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17:47.17khaije|amaltwhats the smartest way to move an ntfs partition (to a different part of the disk) ?
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17:47.49greycatdoes the new part overlap the old part?
17:48.07marcinHi. Does anyone use Suhosin extension with PHP?
17:48.38greycatthere is a ##php channel that might be of more assistance if your question isn't Debian-specific
17:49.25valdynI thought debian used that extension anyway
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17:49.33THC4khi, I wrote some shell script that i want to add to the path. Is there some script to do that or should I just symlink it to /usr/sbin or so?
17:49.44greycatTHC4k: better to put it in /usr/local/bin
17:49.44khaije|amaltgreycat: nope
17:49.45valdynTHC4k: you should not
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17:50.43greycatkhaije|amalt: well, if you can find something that can safely copy NTFS data over, then it should be fairly straightforward, since there's no overla
17:51.21khaije|amaltgreycat: oh so create new part at dest, copy then remove src part?
17:51.50greycatkhaije|amalt: yeah, using whatever tool is appropriate for copying NTFS.   I don't know what that would be.
17:51.59khaije|amaltthat def works, guess im spoiled from using qparted and ilk
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17:52.12greycatkhaije|amalt: also, if you need to be able to boot from that partition after it's been moved, you may have to adjust the MBR or whatever
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17:52.33swayi think windows will only boot from the 1st partition
17:53.16greycatI'm no longer up to date on what window can/can't do.  I'm at least two releases of Windows behind.
17:54.33PyroPheliaI need advice on raids built with mdadm.  If I have 45 drives in a single 4U, what would be the best (safest) raid 6 partition table configuration?  5/2 (5 active 2 reserved for backup) or can is it ok to go larger?
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17:55.38PyroPheliaI would love to have 1 hughe partition because it's going to be setup for video, but I've been told that's a really bad idea.  What are the disadvantages of that?  Theoretically, raid 6 can handle as many drivers as you have controllers right?
17:55.51PyroPhelias/hughe/huge
17:55.58jelly-homePyroPhelia: have at least 5-10% of hot spares.
17:56.09valdynPyroPhelia: even if you use one huge partition then you still dont have to use one huge raid6
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17:56.31jelly-homePyroPhelia: SATA disks?
17:56.39PyroPheliaJelly-home, correct
17:56.44EvilGeniushi, need some help with TIME_WAIT Connections (netstat)
17:56.53justinPyroPhelia: are you installing linux on a thumper? heh
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17:57.05PyroPheliavaldyn, thumper?
17:57.10PyroPheliaer sorry justin*
17:57.19valdynheh
17:57.20EvilGeniusan ip has over 50, and is that just using my server resources?
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17:57.45PyroPheliavaldyn, what do you mean?  you mean physical raid6 partitions, and a logical jobd?
17:57.53jelly-homePyroPhelia: I've no idea about softraid performance with a large number of disks, but a hw raid with 24 disks is working out fine for me
17:58.05justinPyroPhelia: http://www.computerworld.com/common/images/site/features/2009/032009/Thumper%20server%2048TB.jpg
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17:58.26jelly-homePyroPhelia: a huge logical (lvm) made out of smaller raid6 or raid5 arrays
17:58.29valdynPyroPhelia: better you create a jbod equivalent of a few small raid6 than a single huge raid6
17:58.41justinPyroPhelia: don't know many systems other than that that have 48 drives
17:58.41valdynPyroPhelia: better performance wise and better safety wise
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17:59.15PyroPheliahttp://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
17:59.21PyroPhelia67TB for less than $8
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17:59.37PyroPheliamy company has already ordered all of the parts, i'm just trying to figure out how I want to partition it.
17:59.48PyroPheliait's very similar to the thumper, just not nearly as expensive
17:59.48khaije|amaltgreycat: fyi, ntfsprogs allows full gparted manip with ntfs (including moving & shaping)
17:59.51valdynPyroPhelia: you sure that software raid is a good idea for this?
17:59.52jelly-homePyroPhelia: have fun findin the right hardware with right amounts of bandwidth where it matters
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18:00.05valdynPyroPhelia: im pretty sure that its not
18:00.57justinPyroPhelia: that thing is not designed to be used in isolation
18:00.59PyroPheliavaldyn, the backblaze guys use mdadm exclusively with deb 4
18:01.09PyroPheliaoh no we're building several pods
18:01.22thrasholdPyroPhelia: $7,XXX is not $7.XXX, that's eight thousand dollars not eight dollars
18:01.35justinwhat distributed filesytem do you plan on running on top of them>
18:01.35sthonthat backblaze has trouble written all over it
18:01.36PyroPheliaoh sorry
18:01.40PyroPhelialess than $8k is what I eant :P
18:01.42greycatthrashold: , and . are interchangeable in some countries
18:01.51jelly-homekhaije|amalt: while ntfs may end up ok, some windows filesystems may choke on resized ntfs (my xp really didn't like its boot partition not ending on a cylinder boundary)
18:01.53PyroPhelianfs
18:02.05PyroPheliawe just need a huge repository for raw HD video
18:02.09justinnfs is a network filesytem not a distributed filesystem...
18:02.12thrasholdgreycat: We use ',' in my country, that doesn't make the drives any cheaper, though :P
18:02.14jelly-homekhaije|amalt: it works, but one needs to be careful
18:02.16PyroPheliajustin, what do you mean
18:02.22justinpnfs maybe, but linux does not have pnfs yet
18:02.27PyroPheliaext4 is what they will be formated in
18:02.39PyroPheliawhat is a distributed filesystem?
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18:03.18jelly-homePyroPhelia: how much bandwidth do you need to get out of that storage?
18:03.19thrasholdMD RAID with ext4 is certainly not what I would use on such configuration. Although it probably wouldn't be that bad
18:03.20justinoh boy :)
18:03.42khaije|amaltjelly-home: ya, this is just some recovery part that shipped w/ the lappy so i little regard for it's integrity and well-being
18:03.51PyroPhelianothing big.  it's just an internal file server for raw video
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18:04.17valdynPyroPhelia: guess you dont need even half the raw possible bandwidth of those disks
18:04.20PyroPheliathe video editing stations all have indenpendant fibre channel xblades
18:04.22jelly-homePyroPhelia: less than 100MB/s, single parallel access?
18:04.28valdynPyroPhelia: more lioke 1/10th maybe
18:04.49PyroPheliawhy would it be 1/10?
18:05.18khaije|amaltgpart is really cool though, in this partition move it is even checking for the optimal block size, lol what?!?
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18:06.20PyroPheliaacording to the specs i've read, most backblaze pods average around 470MBps that's more than enough for us.
18:06.50PyroPheliaeven with 2 802.3ad ethernet cards we wouldn't be able to max it out
18:06.58valdynPyroPhelia: thats about 1/5th then
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18:07.15PyroPheliayea none of the editors will be working directly on it
18:07.20valdynPyroPhelia: or depending on your disks it can be 1/10th
18:07.42PyroPheliait's only purpose is to store raw HD video and the editors check it out to work on, on their personal xblade
18:08.13jelly-homePyroPhelia: you'll have to test it with parallel loads.
18:08.41PyroPheliahttp://blog.backblaze.com/2009/10/07/backblaze-storage-pod-vendors-tips-and-tricks/
18:08.51PyroPheliathat's the run down for the parts
18:09.02PyroPheliathey're using the seagate 7200.11
18:09.18PyroPheliatheir not the fastest drives out their but they are one of the coolest
18:09.31valdynPyroPhelia: thats a series
18:09.46valdynPyroPhelia: thats neither a specific disk nor a specific temperature rating
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18:10.19jelly-homeeh, whatever, as long as they're monitoring the worktemp
18:10.24PyroPheliahttp://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-hard-drive-charts/benchmarks,50.html
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18:10.38PyroPheliahttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148412
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18:10.47concord223hey i am trying to connect to my wifi network at school
18:10.58PyroPheliait's pretty specific
18:11.11jelly-homePyroPhelia: I notice you're _not_ using ES series drives.
18:11.27PyroPheliano, why would I?
18:11.33concord223it uses data encyption aes and eap mschapv2
18:11.43concord223how do i enable my debian laptop to connect with that
18:11.48linduxedis there a way to bind a word to an IP-address?
18:11.48concord223i have wicd
18:12.02PyroPheliayou mean the eco drives?
18:12.02valdynI use only es drives, but data set to small to tell if they are really worth the $
18:12.18Titan8990linduxed, /etc/hosts?
18:12.19valdynPyroPhelia: no, higher mtbf
18:12.41linduxedso instead of "scp some.file 123.123.123.123:someplace/" i can just type "scp some.file theplace:someplace/"
18:12.45jelly-homePyroPhelia: better tested and firmware for more "enterprisey" usage (parallel loads, command queueing), instead of the normal firmware
18:12.46PyroPheliai'm not to worried about that
18:12.57linduxedTitan8990: will /etc/hosts do that?
18:13.14abrotmanPyroPhelia: what does this have to do with debian again ?
18:13.20Titan8990linduxed, it will allow you define hostnames
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18:13.44Titan8990linduxed, for example when you do: ping localhost , it finds the addy 127.0.0.1 because it is mapped on in /etc/hosts
18:13.46concord223do i need to point wlan0 getway in /etc/network/interfaces or....
18:13.53concord223gateway?
18:13.58PyroPheliawell, my original question was what partition scheme would give me the best results from 45 disks
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18:14.11justinconcord223: network-manager works. never bothered with wicd
18:14.23justinconcord223: takes like 3 clicks to setup wpa
18:14.23valdynPyroPhelia: i guess the answer needs to be "thats irrelevant speed-wise"
18:14.44valdynPyroPhelia: because your system gets nowhere near being able to saturate the disks
18:14.55linduxedTitan8990: thx
18:14.58valdynPyroPhelia: just try to spread load across independent spindles and even independent raids
18:15.02PyroPheliathat's fine, i'm more concerned with redundance, not speed
18:15.11valdynPyroPhelia: raid1 then
18:15.22PyroPhelianot big enough
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18:15.24jelly-homePyroPhelia: are you going to have backups of the data?
18:15.28PyroPheliayeap
18:15.38valdynPyroPhelia: not big enough? how?
18:15.47PyroPhelia1 drive wasted for every active.
18:15.59PyroPheliawe need 50TB min for all of our raw video
18:16.15PyroPheliait's going to be either raid5 or 6
18:16.18PyroPheliathat much I know
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18:16.54jelly-homePyroPhelia: so choose raid6 or raid5 arrays, with the number of disks in 'em depending on what rebuild window you're comfortable with
18:17.21valdynthat rebuild window is going to be of some huge concern uh
18:17.29PyroPheliayea, that's what i'm worried about
18:17.43PyroPheliahow do you think say a 6disk rebuild would take with mdadm?
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18:17.45jelly-homePyroPhelia: personally I wouldn't put over 10-15 disks in a single array, and I'd be careful to test performance when it's rebuilding.
18:18.11jelly-homePyroPhelia: you'll have to test that yourself when the hardware arrives
18:18.24PyroPheliahmmm
18:18.32jelly-homeno way to tell what the actual bottlenecks are
18:19.03hercyniumwaves
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18:19.40jelly-home6 disk raid6 with one disk replaced probably shouldn't take _much_ more than max(reading_whole_disk, writing_whole_disk)
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18:20.32PyroPhelialets say I have all 45 in a single raid 6.  how long do you think the rebuild would be
18:20.32hercyniumI'm trying to figure out the best way to go about getting a specific version of some software "debianized"
18:20.32PyroPhelialike 3-4 days?
18:20.45jelly-homePyroPhelia: possibly yes... but who knows?
18:20.49valdynmore
18:20.53cognitiaclaevesI haven't attempted to install a 64 bit version of debian before, but think that I inadvertently upgraded a 32 bit etch to a 64 bit lenny.  Would I be able to determine this by looking at uname -a ?  ( I don't know what the response would be for a 64 bit system. )
18:21.00hercyniumI've been reading the new-maintainer/packager's guides and messing around with this for a few days and I'm finally ready to ask for help
18:21.07adamosyou can increase the speed of the build with one parameter but i dont remember the exact parameter. try googling it
18:21.11valdynand its actually being used -> even more
18:21.20adamosthe default is pretty low
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18:21.31t_rlI've installed a minimal Debian on my eee. I have a wired connection through eth0, which is through a proxy. I ned a bit of help getting online.
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18:22.04valdynPyroPhelia: you can already plan for complete raid failure too with that raid size
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18:22.14jelly-homeadamos: we're assuming the user is smart enough to figure out /proc and /sys stuff for md :-)
18:22.49adamosI assume :)
18:22.56PyroPheliaadamos, yea i've built lots of md raids, just nothing this size before
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18:23.01jelly-homePyroPhelia: you'll also want to test the array-rechecking times over a number of array sizes
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18:23.12PyroPhelianor have I ever tried to jbod raid6 mds
18:23.15zxdanyone know how to fix xen console not entering new lines
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18:23.24valdynPyroPhelia: lvm does this trivially
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18:23.43jelly-homePyroPhelia: eg. if a recheck takes 8 days and makes the array unusably slow, you won't be able to run it weekly
18:23.46hercyniumanyhow, if anybody can point me to the right newsgroup/mailing list etc for getting help with packaging, I would be greatly obliged@
18:23.51adamosSplit your raids and put lvm on top of them
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18:24.39valdynI would still not make it one huge fs if thats any way avoidable
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18:24.43jelly-home!+tell hercynium -about mentors
18:24.43dpkgtold hercynium about mentors.
18:24.44PyroPheliaadamos, yea tha'ts what i'm thinking.  I just have to figure out what's the best size for the MDs
18:24.47justin... or, don't use raid at all and use a propper distributed filesystem
18:24.51meffswifecan anyone help me with gpu temp questions?
18:24.55hercyniumthanks!
18:25.18PyroPheliajustin, i've never used a distributed filesystem before.  how could 1 be implemented with the parts i've already told you about
18:25.28dkrmeffswife: nope.  because you haven't asked any. :)
18:25.43PyroPheliabetter yet, do you have a man you link me to read
18:25.48PyroPheliayou can*
18:26.24meffswifegrr ok the gpu is at 60 and the quad core, quad 1 and 2 keep ranging between 38-41
18:26.26meffswifeis that bad?
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18:26.33valdynmeffswife: no
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18:26.47meffswifebut its flashing
18:26.55jelly-homejustin: which distributed fs are proper for high-bandwidth large-size video blobs streaming?
18:26.59valdynmeffswife: what is *it* ?
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18:27.08meffswifeand the core 0 and 1 actually keep going from no green check to a green check
18:27.20justinjelly-home: depends what the client api's need to be
18:27.24valdynmeffswife: wtf isa  green check?
18:27.27meffswifethe 61 for the gpu flashing
18:27.27meffswifeicon
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18:27.54meffswifesorry on speedfan 4.39 he has temps of everything. and on the gpu it says 61
18:27.56PyroPheliajelly-home, it doesn't need to be streaming.  the editors check out raw video.  none of the editors are allowed to touch the original HD sources
18:28.05meffswifeand on core 0 and 1 it shows 38-41
18:28.15hanshanshi all. what is the fastest way to transfer one file between two pcs? (size is about 2GB)
18:28.16valdynmeffswife: we know
18:28.24valdynmeffswife: these temperatures arent a problem.
18:28.30jelly-homePyroPhelia: so most of the access will be reading only?
18:28.31meffswifeis this ok? not runnin gnaything not even games!
18:28.37valdynhanshans: netcat
18:28.46valdynhanshans: err, i mean nc
18:28.59PyroPheliajelly-home, not most.  all.  with the exception of the guy who uploads the raw video sources.  and that shouldn't be more than once or twice a week.
18:29.22meffswifeok so when should i s tart to worry about gpu or cpu temps?
18:29.32greycathanshans: rsync is usually a good bet.
18:29.42valdynmeffswife: depends on the cpu and on the gpu
18:29.44PyroPheliaall the editing is done on the individual stations.  they have scsi raid xbaldes at each mac pro
18:29.53hanshansgreycat: valdyn: thx
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18:30.07meffswifethe cpu is intel quad core and the gpu is 8899 gr nvidia card. is that the right answer?
18:30.15meffswife8800 gt sorry
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18:30.21valdynmeffswife: im not going to google the ratings for you
18:30.30jelly-homePyroPhelia: and they'll connect using what?  A network fs?
18:30.37PyroPhelianfs
18:30.58meffswifeok what would i look for when I google it
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18:32.23PyroPhelia802.3ad NFS.  1000base-T X2
18:32.29jhutchins_ltAnybody familiar with flexbackup?
18:32.53PyroPheliathe server will be configured for 802.3adx4
18:32.59meffswifei just need to k now when to worry. but you guys are tellilng me that 60 gpu is fine. if i play a game and it goes up to like 80 should i worry? hasn't happpened yet but just wondering
18:33.04PyroPhelia802.3ad x4*
18:34.07jelly-homeif you mean "copper gigabit ethernet", say so
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18:34.35PyroPhelia802.3 is copper
18:34.50meffswifei guess i was wrong. meff came here for help and he knew what to ask and what he was doing. i though i could get some help even though i don't know because he...just.. DIED on the 18th.
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18:34.54PyroPhelia1Gbase-T
18:35.11jelly-homeoh, missed that line
18:35.36PyroPheliawell, technicaly that's not true, but most 802.3 implementations are copper.
18:36.24jelly-home(missed the 1000b-T line, I mean)
18:36.43PyroPheliaah
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18:37.02jelly-homewell, I hope your switches do bonding better than mine
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18:37.26PyroPhelianetgear prosafe.
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18:38.01PyroPhelia802.3ad is pretty weak when it comes to ether bonding because it doesn't support round robbin data stripping but I don't expect that
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18:39.18PyroPheliathe reason I'm going with 802.3ad is because osx and linux 802.3ad are smart enough to load balance across the ethernet cards.  but they won't stripe packets for a single connection
18:40.08jelly-homecorrect, so you'll get max 120MB/s per connection
18:40.20PyroPheliayeap
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18:41.45PyroPheliagod if osx supported round robbin packet stripping, i'd be going with much more serious data center.
18:42.14PyroPheliabut our most obvious bottle neck is the ethernet.  there is no point in having a supper speedy data center if it's wasted
18:42.50PyroPheliaand before you say it, the building owner does not allow us to run fiber for any reason.  our lease could be terminated if they find it.  and no, I have no idea why
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18:43.43jelly-homefiber is EEEEEVIL
18:44.00justinPyroPhelia: google pnfs
18:44.09justinPyroPhelia: google glusterfs
18:44.15justinPyroPhelia: google hdfs
18:44.52[Elvis]does anyone know if there is a channel for help on openaes and pacemaker?
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18:45.32sthon[Elvis]: try #linux-cluster
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18:46.39PyroPheliajustin, thanks i'll read them in a sec.  i'll get back to you in a few min.
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18:46.48mentorjelly-home: Is your leaseholder Mordac the Preventer of IT Services?
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18:47.02PyroPheliamentor, yes.  yes it os
18:47.07PyroPhelias/os/is
18:47.25mederEsiteWhat programs can I use for fingerprint reading authentication? I have a Thinkpad and a quick google gave me 'bioapi framework' .. is this the preferred  way?
18:47.36greycatI'd love to hear what their reasoning is for disallowing fiber-optic cables.
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18:48.18PyroPheliagreycat, the short story has something to do with the fact that if we lay fiber, the building owner has to pay for part of it.  even if it's in 1 room.
18:48.32PyroPheliaI don't know the whole story and i've told not to ask.  thye're pretty cranky about it
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18:48.44mentor!tell mederEsite about search
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18:48.50PyroPheliai've been told*
18:49.13jelly-homejudd: versions libpam-fprint
18:49.15juddjelly-home: libpam-fprint -- experimental: 0.2-3
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18:49.42mederEsitementor: I did search but couldn't find anything useful
18:49.51mederEsitewhich is why I'm asking
18:50.01mentorWell, I found libpam-frpint
18:50.07mederEsitei mean
18:50.16mederEsiteI can start randomly installing applications that have to do with fingerprint reading
18:50.22mederEsitebut why not just ask someone who's used them?
18:50.27mederEsiteisn't that the whole point of IRC?
18:50.32mederEsiteor rather, my use of this channel?
18:50.33mentorNo
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18:51.00mentorIt is definitely not to do your work for you.
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18:51.25mederEsiteWhat work? I'm not asking anyone to program anything. I'm asking for useful programs for my cause.
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18:51.43mederEsiteI'm not asking you to debug 500 lines of some compilation errors
18:51.45mederEsiteLike other people have
18:51.52Cerisehow do i use sort to sort output of du -h?
18:52.01mentormederEsite: Well, good luck thne
18:52.02greycatCerise: you don't.  use du -k instead.
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18:53.10benediktI installed squeeze with only cd1 (and no network) on a laptop. I chose "desktop environment" but it just seems like half of the normal stuff that comes with gnome got installed. Is this normal for the cd1 install?
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18:53.30greycatif you chose "desktop environment" then yeah, it'll install a lot of GUI things
18:53.47benediktit didnt install "a lot". I just installed "a few" :)
18:54.13greycatoh, you expected more?  well, you could explicitly install GNOME, then
18:54.34benediktso Cd-1 only installs gnome-core?
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18:54.54benedikti actually like that.
18:54.58greycat"desktop environment" is the key here, not "cd 1"
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18:55.13greycatit'll use the network to install whatever isn't on the CD
18:55.39benediktand i didnt have any network. So im guessing that just the gnome-core package was installed?
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18:57.16benediktgreycat: i just checked and its gnome-core. I wont be complainign, the main reason i switched to debian for a desktop is that ubuntu is way to cluttered with useless stuff
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18:58.36greycatMost of us (including me) never choose any of the tasks any more at install time.  Just install the base system, and then apt-get (or aptitude) whatever we want after that.
18:59.32benediktthink ill do that next time.
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19:02.22JordiGHI need to connect to a network scanner. Just running xsane, it thinks that there no available scanners. Do I need to manually edit conf files, or is there an interface?
19:04.39benediktalso, where is the page on debian.org describing when a package goes from sid to testing? I found it a few days ago and now I cant find it. www.debian.org gives me a headache sometimes!
19:04.58JordiGHbenedikt: The policy should describe this.
19:05.05stewbenedikt: look in "the testing distribution" seciton of the debian developer reference
19:05.11simonrvn!testing
19:05.11dpkgrumour has it, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>.  You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times.  Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
19:05.13JordiGHbenedikt: aptitude install debian-policy
19:05.37benediktthanks!
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19:06.24simonrvnJordiGH: don't you have an usb port in your head? :P
19:06.40JordiGHsimonrvn: No, office scanner. Hmmmm...
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19:07.03jelly-homemeffswife: the channel may or may not have knowledgeable people at any moment, and is used best with Debian specific problems In addition, there may be more appropriate channels for your current issue, like #ati ... or you can always fall back on Google. http://www.google.com/search?q=8800+gt+nvidia+typical+temperatures
19:07.07simonrvnoh so it'd be an ethernet port anyway
19:07.26greycatprobably not #ati for an nvidia card though ;-)
19:07.29jelly-homeright
19:07.39JordiGHBoo, nvidia.
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19:08.16jelly-home!nvidia
19:08.16dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work.  Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).  Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
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19:08.40jelly-homethat was just a typo.
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19:20.07smacnayIs there a unit conversion util for linux or, better yet, Gnome?
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19:20.21cahootunit?
19:20.23greycatthere is "units"
19:20.27JordiGHsmacnay: calculator?
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19:20.32jelly-homeand there's google
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19:20.44JordiGHsmacnay: R, Octave and Maxima can convert units. :-)
19:20.51themillsmacnay: qalculate
19:20.55JordiGHinches*2.56 ## centimeters!
19:21.03greycat2.54 actually.
19:21.13JordiGHClose enough.
19:21.27jelly-homeJordiGH: that's why Octave sux!
19:21.29Titan8990JordiGH, that would depend on what we are measuring :)
19:21.35smacnayJordiGH, the regular gnome calculator does conversions?
19:21.39jelly-homeJordiGH: buy Matlab!
19:21.48ranixuse bc
19:21.57JordiGHsmacnay: Sure, the regular Gnome calculator can multiply.
19:22.08greycatbc would work if you memorize a bunch of conversion constants
19:22.24themillsmacnay: /msg dpkg convert 5 cm to inches
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19:22.53justinbc just needs an .rc file where you can define all the constants :)
19:23.02JordiGHPerl! libconvert-units-perl
19:23.22smacnayJordiGH, multiplication works but I would need to know the constants...
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19:24.47swaysmacnay: which constants?
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19:25.13greycatmilliseconds per fortnight, parsers per millimeter, you know, the usual
19:25.22swayheh
19:25.23greycatparsecs*
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19:25.42smacnaymetric, imperial, length measurements, volume, etc.
19:26.02smacnayI was also looking for antimatter -> nuclear
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19:26.07greycatalso, you can't do temperature scale conversions by simple multiplication, unfortunately
19:26.11simonrvnparsecs per second
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19:26.14smacnayso I can build my spaceship
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19:26.55themillsmacnay: qalculate, units, or google (e.g. "2 milliseconds to fortnight")
19:27.06smacnaythemill, thanks
19:27.18greycatat least some versions of units(1) couldn't manage F->C or C->F because they weren't programmed to do anything but multiply/divide
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19:27.39greycatAh, I forgot google can do that.
19:28.12justinyeah, google calc can do a lo
19:28.15swaypetaton?  for the spaceship calculations.
19:28.26JordiGHSpaceship Earth?
19:28.34JordiGHSpaceship Jupiter?
19:28.39JordiGHHow much is a petaton?
19:28.44drizzdI upgraded iceweasel and flashplugin started acting up. How can I downgrade? I don't have the previous .deb any more and apt does not provide it any more either.
19:28.47swayshrugs
19:28.59greycatdrizzd: look on your local debian mirror, in "pool"
19:29.07jelly-homelike http://www.google.com/search?q=7+l%2F100km+to+mpg
19:29.11JordiGH!drizzd about downgrade
19:29.18JordiGH!tell drizzd about downgrade
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19:30.59drizzdgreycat: no joy, I was using 3.5.1 or so, and pool/ has only 3.0.x, and 3.5.3
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19:31.30greycat!snapshot
19:31.30docmaxhow can i set the working dir when loading a program via shortcut in gnome?
19:31.30dpkgwell, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable.  Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems.  See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. unmaintained since May 2008
19:32.05justindrizzd: did you try upgrading flash?
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19:32.15drizzdjustin: yes, it's the latest version already
19:32.41drizzdat least in terms of debian packages
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19:33.09drizzdthere is only 1:2.8 of flashplugin-nonfree, afaics
19:33.09karmeups - sorry
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19:33.17dpkgIn Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants.  "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages.  "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity.  Rule #1: Don't feed the troll.  Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll.  Rule #3: See rule #1.
19:34.10factorAnyone know how to get 64bit pitfdll to compile?
19:34.10drizzdJordiGH: I don't see why I should not be able to purge a package and reinstall an older version
19:34.23JordiGHdrizzd: The bot told you why it's hard or impossible.
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19:34.51factorthe pitfdll code does not have an entry for 64 bit amd
19:34.51drizzdJordiGH: that's ridiculous, I do it all the time
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19:35.00JordiGHdrizzd: And look where it's gotten you.
19:35.04factoralthough does have the code for 64 bit alpha
19:35.14jelly-homegreycat: a replacement for snapshot.d.n is in the works, I'm told
19:35.20drizzdJordiGH: the problem was caused by _upgrading_, not by downgrading the package
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19:35.41drizzdJordiGH: it's sure easy to blame a problem on the user if you have no idea whatsoever
19:35.41joglaWhat do i have to ask dpkg to get ubuntu translated
19:35.43Cocoabean47Hi, I am using /etc/network/interfaces to bring up multiple VLANS, all of which get DHCP. This causes a problem because multiple default gateways are received from the DHCP replies. This messes up my routes and I cannot pass traffic. Is there a graceful way to manually specify my default gateway and still use DHCP for all the interfaces?
19:35.45JordiGHdrizzd: And you're going to cause more problems by installing an older version.
19:35.53greycatdrizzd: I think the problem was actually caused by running unstable
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19:36.47JordiGHdrizzd: Yeah, you shouldn't be running unstable if you don't like bugs.
19:36.47jelly-homejogla: /msg dpkg start a distro war
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19:37.04joglaahh
19:37.10greycatjogla: if you have an ubuntu question, you should ask #ubuntu instead of #debian
19:37.20MarkGilHi, I am trying to adapt a ubuntu script that creates a debootstrap system for Sheevaplug, I am trying to hack it so it creates a Debian one (as Ubuntu are ditching ARMv5 support).   However the Ubuntu script does this, and it fails on Debian Squeeze: echo "Creating serial console /etc/event.d/ttyS0"
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19:37.41craigevildrizzd:  iceweasel 3.5.3 works just fine, you might try creating a new iceweasel profile
19:37.44justinMarkGil: debian does not use upstart
19:37.51justinCocoabean47: edit /sbin/dhclient-script ?
19:37.57drizzdcraigevil: thanks, I will try that
19:37.58MarkGilhttp://pastebin.com/m20f321d9
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19:38.18joglagreycat: Yeah, but that's certainly no ubuntu question
19:38.18Cocoabean47justin: thanks, I'll take a look at that
19:38.46greycatIsn't it?  It seemed so to me.
19:38.53joglagreycat: I you want a hot chocolate, you should go to starbucks instead of #debian
19:38.58greycatYou wouldn't ask #ubuntu what "debian" means.
19:39.03joglagreycat: <dpkg> Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
19:39.11joglaThat's what i meant
19:39.25jelly-homegreycat: he specifically wanted the value of a certain factoid
19:39.45jelly-homeer, the key. Whatever.
19:39.47MarkGilwhat's upstart?  The sheevaplug script I have does not use that.   It looks like a problem with event.d service.  Is this somehow different?
19:40.01smacnaygoogle does a nice job of converting...
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19:40.40simonrvnMarkGil: like justin said, debian doesn't use upstart. that's an upstart thing
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19:40.59moty66___how can I reopen stopped process
19:41.02Titan8990MarkGil, upstart is the ubuntu implementation of init
19:41.10asgmoty66___: how did you stop it?
19:41.11jelly-homeMarkGil: it's very different.  Typically you'd set a getty on a serial line in /etc/inittab
19:41.23MarkGilhow can I "maintains a getty on ttyS0 from the point the system is started until it is shut down again."
19:41.29greycatmoty66___: and what makes you believe it's "stopped"?
19:41.34moty66___asg: ctrl+x ; I can see it when i type jobs
19:41.41drizzdcraigevil: that did it
19:41.45jelly-homeMarkGil: /etc/inittab :
19:41.48jelly-home# Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal)
19:41.48jelly-home#
19:41.48jelly-home#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100
19:41.49greycatmoty66___: you mean ctrl-Z?  Try "fg" to bring it back to the foreground.
19:41.54asgmoty66___: then 'fg' in your shell
19:42.03MarkGilThe sheevaplug is a headless system with no vga, only serial.
19:42.05simonrvnmoty66___: re-open? you mean 'unstop' it? try kill -CONT itsPIDNumber
19:42.10moty66___thanks, yes it was ctrl+z
19:42.14simonrvnor fg it ..
19:42.23simonrvnfg/bg
19:42.40moty66___simonrvn: no, I didn't want to kill it, i just want to reopen it
19:42.44simonrvnmumbles something about sudden irssi lags
19:42.51greycatsimonrvn: over his head.
19:43.07simonrvnso it would seem
19:43.22moty66___fg works fine
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19:44.22greycatmoty66___: By the way, what you just used is called "job control".  Processes can be suspended, then brought back to the foreground ('fg') or run in the background ('bg') in some cases.
19:44.52jelly-homeMarkGil: anything using that /etc/event.d thing will have to be replaced with something else; best to get a Debian system running somewhere and figure out the differences in startup scripts
19:45.07moty66___greycat: thanks, I was reading the man fg, *very interesting*
19:45.23greycatwhere did you get "man fg"?
19:45.30moty66___internet
19:45.42asggreycat: who knows what that could be
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19:45.55greycatI think some non-Debian distributions have bash builtins as man pages.
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19:46.09simonrvnthat's what i was thinking
19:46.22asggreycat: the top google was an AT&T page written by David Korn
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19:46.49simonrvnO_O
19:47.01benediktto use my wlan card on debian i have to install firmware-iwlwifi, wich is not free software. I didnt have to use non-free software on Ubuntu for this card. What is going on?
19:47.06JordiGHwhat
19:47.14JordiGHfg doesn't have a manpage.
19:47.19JordiGHIt's a bash commad.
19:47.28greycatJordiGH: in Debian, it doesn't.  In other OSes, it might.
19:47.32Titan8990!tell benedikt about dfsg
19:47.39JordiGHgreycat: Hm. That's odd.
19:47.40Titan8990benedikt, check your pm from dpkg
19:47.41jelly-homeJordiGH: no, it's a zsh command!
19:47.58simonrvnbenedikt: um, ubuntu mixes things.... you probably don't/didn't realise that.
19:48.38benediktTitan8990: i did. are you just meaning that ubuntu might have used non-free firmware but didnt classify it as propriatary?
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19:48.48moty66JordiGH: I was reading this http://akpublic.research.att.com/~gsf/man/man1/fg.html
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19:49.07Titan8990benedikt, right... debian is the most restrictive about considering something "free"
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19:49.19Titan8990benedikt, even the GNU docs are considered non-free in debian
19:49.20greycatmoty66: you can also type "help fg" in bash to get the bash short-version help
19:49.25teekay_Hello
19:49.34greycatmoty66: the full documentation would be in "man bash"
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19:49.56SnadderAnyone know how to configure raid with 2 disks so I get 2 times the speed when transfering two files at the same time with mdadm?
19:50.02benediktTitan8990: one of the reasons I went to debian for my laptop. But firmware-iwlwifi is just binary, how could ubuntu neglect to categorize it as non-free?
19:50.05simonrvnbenedikt: proprietary, non-free, etc. .. please read up on what they mean, and be clear on what others mean by that. warning: it gets confusing.
19:50.08greycatSnadder: you want striping (RAID 0)
19:50.31JordiGHTitan8990: That depends, Gnewsense admits as free some things Debian doesn't and vice versa. Freedom isn't a spectrum, it's more of an RGB or HSV scale.
19:50.35Snaddergreycat, do you know if striping can be done with 4 disks too?
19:50.37jelly-homeSnadder: transferring from where to where? Do you require redundancy?
19:50.40JordiGHDebian's freedom is coloured red.
19:50.43benediktsimonrvn: i know. its confusing buisness. But i think this firmware is only availible as binary.
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19:50.53dseagravFreedom sometimes means sacrifice.
19:50.55Snadderjelly-home, I dont require redundancy.
19:51.00dseagravYou don't get something for nothing.
19:51.04Snadderjelly-home: transfer from the disks to the network.
19:51.05greycatSnadder: actual transfer speed isn't "number of files at once".  It's tied to the striping, since you'd get the first 32kB (or whatever) from disk 1, then the next from disk 2.
19:51.10simonrvnbenedikt: closed source, and probably proprietary.
19:51.16Titan8990benedikt, probably has to do their "wireless working OTB" goal
19:51.25jelly-homeSnadder: if you can live with losing all the data as soon as any one disk dies, raid0 is for you.
19:51.41moty66How can I clean the screen when i type logout or exit in terminal, is it a good idea to make an alias of logout ? something like alias logout="clear && logout" ?
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19:51.55greycatmoty66: you can put "clear" in ~/.bash_logout
19:52.02Snadderjelly-home, Yeah. I can live with that.. I have backup.. I just need performance.
19:52.10simonrvnmoty66: i just put 'clear' in my .zlogout
19:52.12moty66greycat: what about exit ?
19:52.14benediktTitan8990: guess ill have to buy a wireless card that has open drivers.
19:52.25greycatmoty66: "man bash", look for bash_logout
19:52.45moty66greycat: i'll do
19:52.50MarkGilThanks, that seems to have worked.  My only other error in my script was a package not in the debian package manager thats in the ubuntu one: language-pack-en  Can this be ignored, or is there a debian alternative (it did find language-pack-en-base)
19:52.54simonrvn. o O (why logout twice? )
19:52.57Titan8990benedikt, atheros is a good choice now with the ath5k drivers
19:53.03Snadderjelly-home, greycat: is it possible to have 4 disks on one huge raid0 ?
19:53.09greycatSnadder: yes
19:53.14SnadderNice :-)
19:53.35simonrvnMarkGil: those lang-packs are precompiled locales, dpkg-reconfigure locales (after you install it)
19:53.37ranixSnadder: for large values of raid you get a bottleneck at the controller
19:53.52benediktTitan8990: thanks
19:53.54ranixor, in the case of MD, the processor
19:54.03jelly-homeSnadder: your sequential read speedups may not be 4x
19:54.06ranixor both
19:54.06dseagravIf you have four disks, use raid 5, that way you can lose one of the disks without losing the array.
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19:54.19simonrvnprobably closer to 2x
19:54.21dseagravRaid 0 across four disks would be suicidal.
19:54.22jelly-homeranix: or PCI(e) bus, or whatever
19:54.37dseagravLosing -one- drive means losing all four.
19:54.40ranixraid0 has maximum utility with two disks IMHO
19:54.46dseagravAnd with that much data I bet you aren't backing it up
19:54.46jelly-homedseagrav: they don't need redundancy
19:54.47ranixthree disks is questionable and dangerous
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19:54.56ranixfour disks is suicidal and marginally stupid
19:55.00greycatHe's been warned.  He's a grown-up.
19:55.07simonrvnwould touch raid 0 anyway
19:55.12simonrvnwouldn't*
19:55.13jelly-homedseagrav: you really ought to read the backlog before answering
19:55.23ranixI use raid0 when I would otherwise use JBOD and don't care about data loss
19:55.50Snadderhow much data whould I be able to move with my little AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ 1809.276.. if someone could guess?
19:55.56SnadderI mean.. the speed
19:56.03jelly-homeanyway, on Linux, even md raid1 is smart enough to put read requests on different spindles
19:56.16dseagravjelly-home: IME "I don't need redundancy" means "I don't care right now but I will happily blame you later when I have problems"
19:56.29jelly-homedseagrav: sucks to be him
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19:57.19jelly-homeSnadder: noone can guess, it depends on many factors and the cpu is just one, usually not the bottleneck
19:57.38greycatI don't consider that a "little" processor either.
19:58.13jelly-homethat's because you're used to last millennium hardware
19:58.31ranixwhat is a little processor
19:58.44ranixoh the 3000+? yeah that's not little to me either
19:59.01ranixa 1ghz or slower celeron/p3 or less is little to me
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20:00.02SnadderAnyone know if there exists hardware raid cards which can manage gbit speed with 4xsata2 drives?
20:00.03sway366mhz works fine for me
20:00.12Titan8990ranix, sounds like you have never had to sit around while 850 packages, including firefox and openoffice compile :)
20:00.22Snadder..and what I should look at.
20:00.26ranixnope, people like themill do that for me
20:00.37ranixthanks for being maintainers and package managers, #debian!
20:00.41ranix:D
20:01.32dseagravOh yeah, is it normal for dpkg to ignore you if you haven't joined the channel and you message it anyway?
20:01.39greycatyes
20:01.49greycatthis is why I join #debian-bots even when I don't come here
20:01.56dseagravI wanted to ask it questions but I didn't want to contribute to the join/part spam
20:02.02dseagravAh. Noted.
20:02.17ranixwe can umode away the spam if it bothers us
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20:02.21Titan8990greycat, looks like it lacks judd
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20:02.24ranixjoin/part isn't considered rude
20:02.26dkrI config my client to ignore all join/part spam.  it's great for the signal to noise ratio
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20:05.00JordiGHDon't we have a better word than "spam" for bitstreams we don't want to see?
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20:05.07JordiGHIt's not spam unless you're selling something.
20:05.09greycatJordiGH: noise
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20:05.46dseagravI've always used "spam" to mean "crap", even before it became the problem it is today.
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20:07.06JordiGH-cocacolaSo refreshing...
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20:07.14xingugreycat: hey man, long time no see ;)
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20:07.51jantoniohello. I'm looking for a visualization program similar to vis5d old
20:07.53ranixJordiGH-cocacola: is that the mexican coke with no corn syrup
20:08.05xinguheh
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20:08.19JordiGH-nikeranix: Just drink it.
20:08.28xinguI found out all about this "mexican" coke thing on my last visit out
20:08.30SnadderWhen I have files which is like 10mb or 50mb huge.. what chunk size should I then use for best performance?
20:08.37xinguboth kinds give me the flu
20:08.41Snadderwhen setting up raid with mdadm
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20:08.58ranixI think american coke has corn syrup because of the subsidies on corn
20:09.05xinguthat's pretty much it
20:09.06ranixthe sugar is too expensive
20:09.18greycatimport tariffs on sugar, I think.
20:09.22greycatsome political thing anyway.
20:09.30xinguit's all sugar of one sort or another, the difference is corn vs cane vs beet
20:09.34ranixprobably an antiterrorist move of some kind
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20:09.43greycatranix: no, this predates 2001
20:09.58ranixah, so maybe it's part of the drug war
20:10.13JordiGH-nikeNow, you see, *this* is spam.
20:10.20ranixno this is offtopic
20:10.27ranixand/or trolling, rambling, etc
20:10.41greycatThis is off-topic discussion.
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20:11.00greycatUnless he meant his nickname changes.
20:11.07ranixgreycat: if you would idle in #debian-offtopic we could have this offtopic discussion in an on-topic channel
20:11.24xinguif it were north american noise and offtopic gossip, it'd belong on an entirely different mailing list.
20:11.24ranixor, an on-topic discussion in an offtopic channel?
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20:11.44jooonisn't there a free software project called sugar? :)
20:11.48xingusentences ranix to being maintainer for an xort release cycle
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20:12.03ranixwhat's that an xorg lart
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20:12.41Cerisehow do i use oidentd in openbsd-inetd?
20:12.42greycat!curse xingu
20:12.43dpkgMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, xingu!
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20:13.45jelly-homeCerise: uh... just the same as in old inetd?
20:13.57Cerisethink so.
20:14.31jelly-homethe only important thing different is name of the init script
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20:14.36cr3rzemjestcan somebody explain this pls. I've got a PC - 1 GB RAM, 2.8GHz CPU and a laptop - 2GB RAM, 2.0GHz CPU. when i open Firefox/Iceweasel on these machines, open 2 pages, and after they're loaded switch tabs with ctrl +tab i notice that on PC change, render is immediate, while laptop seems to be sluggish and i must wait for the page to render
20:15.38cr3rzemjestcould it be that those 800Mhz make such difference? or is my laptop with Debian configured not properly? or is it Iceweasel? is it slower than Firefox?
20:15.40jelly-homecr3rzemjest: check what else is running on both machines at the time
20:15.42fredl'ello. I have a physical NICE eth1 without it's own IP address. A bridge br0 is configured on it and two IP aliases, eth1:0 and eth1:1 which act as gateways to a virtual server class C and a wifi class C. I've configured /etc/default/dhcpd-server with INTERFACES="br0 eth1:0 eth1:1" yet when I start up dhcpd it logs: Interface eth1 matches multiple shared networks. I have the subnets configured http://pastebin.ca/1645567
20:15.47cr3rzemjestthese*
20:15.53fredlhow do I configure dhcpd correctly to listen to br0 eth1:0 and eth1:1?
20:16.02jelly-homecr3rzemjest: are you using different software as well?
20:16.42jelly-homecr3rzemjest: which OS is running on both?  Which versions of the browser?  Which browser exactly?
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20:16.59cr3rzemjestjelly-home: what do you mean? on the pc there is antivir and normal stuff, while even if i run Iceweasel on Fluxbox, which is lightweight wm, without any other programs, Iceweasel still is slower
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20:17.09cr3rzemjestjelly-home: Windows XP, Debian Lenny
20:17.15greycat"2.0GHz" and "2.8GHz" are not adequate to classify the relative performance of two different CPUs either
20:17.32greycatgah, two totally different OSes...
20:17.45cr3rzemjestjelly-home: Iceweasel 3.0.6, and Firefox 3.x-something
20:17.46jelly-homecr3rzemjest: you can compare the CPUs only when the rest is identical
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20:18.34jelly-homecr3rzemjest: so boot up lenny with the same package set on both, make them both run through the boot-up anacron jobs, then compare
20:18.54craigevilcr3rzemjest: firefox 3.5.3 is faster than iceweasel 3.0.x
20:19.17cr3rzemjestcraigevil: really? i'll try to run it with wine
20:19.22greycatI wouldn't even compare Firefox-for-Windows to Firefox-for-Linux.
20:19.29greycatLet alone introducing version skew as well.
20:19.34jelly-homecr3rzemjest: in addition, Mozilla's Firefox builds on windows have specific optimizations that iceweasel or even Firefox for Linux do not
20:19.46cr3rzemjestI didn't mean to "compare" I'm just asking why is it slow and how to speed it up
20:20.04craigevilcr3rzemjest:  firefox on my wifes laptop running xp is slower than firefox on my debian desktop
20:20.15jelly-homecr3rzemjest: that's exactly what comparing is... it's slow compared to the other thing.
20:20.19asgcr3rzemjest: also, your Debian is probably not optimized for Desktop workloads
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20:22.57cr3rzemjestasg: I don't know, I can't remember anything called "debian optimized for Desktop workloads" in Debian download section
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20:23.29justincr3rzemjest: what video card does that laptop have?
20:24.17cr3rzemjestjustin: I don't know, probably something of no-name quality
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20:24.41fredlshould I add aliassed interfaces to /etc/default/dhcp3-server to begin with?
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20:24.57cr3rzemjestjustin:  Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller
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20:29.35cr3rzemjestcan't run windows firefox with wine, i'll try to run firefox 3.5 from mozilla website
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20:30.13fredlwith DHCP requests not being IP specific I'd say I don't need to add eth1:0 and eth1:1.....
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20:31.41cr3rzemjeststill the same
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20:38.08magyar_hi, how do i enable rsyslog in lenny to accept remote logging?
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20:40.58greycatlooks like you'd start with "man rsyslog.conf" and read about the imtcp module.
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20:47.16magyar_greycat, thanks
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20:48.36exnanybody knows how to start skype call on the server without sound card ?
20:48.42exnor how emulate it..
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20:53.45DawgmatixI want a script to be run after networking has been initialised. how can i do this ?
20:53.56abrotmanDawgmatix: man interfaces .. post-up
20:54.02Dawgmatixthanks
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21:01.55garoI have a system where i frequently add and remove networkcards of the same model, is it possible to bind a particular MAC always to the same 'ethX' name ?
21:02.34rgammansgaro - udev does this automatically doesn't it?
21:02.52tempusergaro: yes. udev will do this. see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or somehting of the likening.
21:03.08garok, thanks
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21:09.38GijsHey all, what can you do if your server is getting ddosed by 10+ locations ?
21:09.41Gijsi got the ip
21:09.42Gijss
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21:10.42markybobideally you drop it on the router before it gets to your server
21:12.12unitypunkGijs call interpo.
21:12.14unitypunkinterpol
21:12.19unitypunkor the internet police.
21:12.33markybobunitypunk, wtf?  hush
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21:12.54unitypunklol markybob why not?
21:13.27markybobbecause they have bloody better things to do to care about this guy.  it's stupid and pointless and dumb
21:13.46markybobhe can take care of matters on his own
21:14.18Gijswhat they do?
21:14.25markybob*nothing*
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21:14.38Gijslol?
21:14.39Root-SacAllez hein bandes de fils de putes de juifs vous m'avez empeché d'avoir mon argent pour m'empecher de faire plaisir aux autres bandes de sous merdes radins mongoliens !!!
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21:16.23g00se!ops Root-Sac dubious
21:16.23dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: g00se complains about: Root-Sac dubious
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21:17.17belakIs there anything specific if I'm installing debian on virtualbox
21:17.19belak?
21:17.40_AnywhereIs_i installed it without problems on virtualbox
21:18.04belakLike, any specific drivers for X, or that sort of thing
21:18.36_AnywhereIs_ah, there is vbox-guest-addons CD image available on virtualbox site i guess. i fetched one from there
21:18.49belakOk, so just the guest additions?
21:18.49_AnywhereIs_it contains drivers, tools, etc
21:19.02belakI thought there was a package I could install in debian
21:19.10_AnywhereIs_i think yes. i didn't needed that as i only installed it without X
21:19.16belakAh
21:19.18belakOk
21:20.13_AnywhereIs_maybe there is. but i found that .iso manually when automatic "try to download it from internet" failed :)
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21:24.55Fox_1_hi all
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21:26.59Fox_1_people I have problem with my network. I'm connecting to a server via ssh. After connecting I'm trying to do `ps aux` but it's draw 2 lines and stoping and I couldn't do anything, but my internet was working normally. what can be a problem?
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21:27.46Fox_1_also I had the same problem when I was connect to server via vpn and then ssh, and the problem was ppp connection MTU
21:28.10rgammanshmm. How far away is the server?
21:28.16Fox_1_but now I'm using ADSL internet connection and connecting without vpn
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21:28.35SnadderHow can I configure raid to use more resources for copying data?
21:28.43Fox_1_ping 210-220ms
21:29.02rgammansFox_1_, I meant is it on a network outside of your control. multiple hops
21:29.14SnadderI want to get as good speeds as possible on my raid device
21:29.18Fox_1_outside
21:29.22rgammansFox_1_, Do you have any icmp firewalled
21:29.48Fox_1_I think no, maybe my ADSL modem has
21:30.10Fox_1_by the way I have interesting thing with my modem
21:30.14Fox_1_when I
21:30.16rgammansand no iptables on your sever or desktio
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21:30.43Fox_1_'m switching it on I can connect to my model via his IP
21:30.53g00seFox_1_: Does the same thing happen for any command that returns a few lines?
21:31.29Fox_1_but after some time when I'm trying to open the configuration page in the browser it write Waiting ... and noting
21:31.33_AnywhereIs_belak, i found package name virtualbox-guest-additions perhaps this is what you want ;) didn't tested
21:31.44Fox_1_g00se:  yes
21:31.45belak_AnywhereIs_: ok. thanks
21:32.13Fox_1_for example I couldn't open mc too
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21:32.49Fox_1_maybe I have problem with ssh client configuration?
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21:33.03g00seDoes it only happen with that server, or with any?
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21:33.25eshatWhere do I get compiled KDE 4.4 (SVN) packages?
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21:33.33Fox_1_with any
21:34.52g00seFox_1_: That 'configuration page' is the router page at your end?
21:35.11Fox_1_yes
21:36.06g00seFox_1_: Has it always been like this or is it recent?
21:36.28Fox_1_I have took this internet about 1 month ago
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21:37.24g00seFox_1_: Has it always been like this for month then?
21:37.35Fox_1_no
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21:37.53Fox_1_You think the problem is my ISP?
21:38.38g00seFox_1_: You could eliminate that by trying another know good router perhaps
21:39.17Fox_1_can it be router defect?
21:39.24g00seYes
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21:40.27Fox_1_sorry but I have found the server which works fine
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21:42.45g00seFox_1_: I don't understand. You mean *a* server is working ok?
21:43.02Fox_1_other server
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21:47.18StuckMojoanyone know which is prefered, openswan or strongswan?
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21:50.15nixiepixelHey guys does Lenny run GRUB 2?
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21:51.13nixiepixelSo many people, nobody talking heh
21:52.42StuckMojonixiepixel: i think it does, but i'm not sure
21:52.51StuckMojonixiepixel: it's definately in sid
21:52.55rgammansnixiepixel, I believe lenny uses grub 0.97 default. Look at packages.debian.org
21:53.26StuckMojohmph. i run sid so i dunno for sure
21:53.44StuckMojoyou could find out if it's available at least by looking at packages.debian.org
21:53.51StuckMojosearch for grub in lenny
21:54.59nixiepixelStuckMojo, rgammans Okay, thanks.. regardless, if I stall Lenny ontop of Ubuntu would it cleanly overwrite?
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21:56.49xhairballjudd versions grub-pc
21:56.50juddxhairball: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 squeeze: 1.97~beta3-1 sid: 1.97~beta4-1
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21:57.11xhairballgrub-pc = grub2.
21:57.56nixiepixelHmm,.. I wonder if I stall Lenny ontop of Ubuntu would it cleanly overwrite?
21:58.33mesaGLnixiepixel: nope
21:58.43rgammansnixiepixel, i really wouldn't
21:59.30nixiepixelHmm.. what would you suggest then if I want to install Lenny? o.o
21:59.41nixiepixelI really want to give it a shot. =D
21:59.59sthonso go for it
22:00.00rgammanstake a pkg list and copy of /home. /srv . wipe and reinstall
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22:00.15sthonif you like fixing broken shit that is
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22:01.09nixiepixelInteresting...
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22:01.39nixiepixelSo as long as a format  /home. and /srv. I'm good?
22:01.56nixiepixelhome and /  ?
22:02.22rgammansNo. you can keep /home and /srv.  But really only those. They are *your* data after all.
22:02.31xhairballtomaw: ok, I have to ask. ;)  Why does your bot reconnect every 30 minutes?
22:02.45tomawxhairball: it clears on-join spammers
22:03.05xhairballahh ok
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22:04.04rburnhi ppl,
22:04.09rburni'd like to delete the last line of a file with sed,
22:04.18sthonturns his on-join spam script off =[
22:04.26rburnbut only if it's empty.
22:04.39rburnanybody knows how?
22:04.42dondelelcarorburn: use head instead
22:05.05sthoneh?
22:05.14rburndondelelcaro, head? for last line?
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22:05.17sthondelete the last line of a file... but only if it's empty?
22:05.23rburnyes
22:05.34nixiepixelrgammans, What if I don't need any data? =p
22:05.41dondelelcarorburn: yes, to remove the last line. If you only want to do it if its empty, its more complicated.
22:05.43rburnif it isnt, leave the file
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22:06.12rburnyes, i cant find anything in google
22:06.13sthonif the file is empty how would there be a last line to remove?
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22:06.42rgammansnixiepixel, If you just want to start form scratch. Reformat all . It probably the easiest case.
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22:06.43sthonyou want to remove whitespace?
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22:06.54rburnsthon, the file shouldnt be empty
22:07.07rgammansnixiepixel, you could blank the part table to and leave to the installer to repartition.
22:07.08rburnonly the last line is removed if blank.
22:07.34nixiepixelrgammans, So if I reformat it all the linux partitions would it mess with my Windows partitions? (dual booting =p )
22:07.50rburnsthon, but now that u talk about it, it can happen that the file is empty too.
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22:08.02rgammansOh. Dunno. I don't do dual boot. But I think you'll be fine
22:08.39rgammansnixiepixel, Linux installers tend to look out and preserve windows, the converse isn't true.
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22:09.43sthonnixiepixel: just make sure not to delete your ntfs or fat partitions
22:09.54Tramprburn: sed '/^$/,$d' <--- this compresses all "trailing newlines" into one, if that's what you really want. otherwise I'd recommend #sed
22:10.53nixiepixelsthon, Oh boy, this sounds scarier than I thought. haha!
22:11.16sthonnixiepixel: you managed to do it once, right?
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22:11.54asarchWhere can I find 'glxgears'?
22:11.55nixiepixelrgammans, Didn't know if it's easier this time around.. with the boot loader
22:12.48Trampasarch: apt-cache search glxgears
22:12.51rgammansnixiepixel, I don't se why it would make a difference. It should be easier as you've already shrunk windows rto make space. Thats the bit that worries me.
22:12.52nixiepixelrgammans, It's funny how you said that linux installers tend to play nice with Windows, that's exactly what I said in my video tutorial for grub =p
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22:15.35nixiepixelrgammans, Well anyhow, thanks a lot.. you put my mind at ease. I'm teaching this to the newbie masses =p
22:15.50nixiepixelrgammans, ..and I'm a newbie myself. shhh!
22:16.11nixiepixelrgammans,  Take it easy hon
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22:16.44rgammansnp
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22:17.04rburnTramp, thx for the suggestion, im in #sed and had the solution, thx - i just wanted to remove the last blank line.
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22:17.50Tramprburn: out of curiosity: what is it?
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22:18.56rburnTramp, sed  '${/^[[:blank:]]*$/d;}'
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22:22.36Tramphmm. Tried that too, but sed  '${/^[[:blank:]]*$/d;}' <<<$'one\ntwo\nthree\n\n' leaves a trailing newline
22:22.37dkrperl -pi -0777 -e's/\s+$// file
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22:23.57\amethystTramp:  it removes the last one
22:24.14\amethystTramp:  because <<< appends a newline, there are two blank lines
22:24.38Tramp\amethyst: ah. stupid me. Thanks.
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22:24.57syslqHow can I change "the label" under which external drive is mounted?
22:25.11\amethystTramp:  <<< appends a newline, and $( ) removes all trailing newlines
22:25.26\amethystTramp: $( ) as well as its older cousin ``
22:26.13Tramp\amethyst: I have to remember those odds and ends when clobbering test-cases together...
22:26.28dkrcobbling
22:26.39\amethystwell, that depends :)
22:26.50\amethystbut probably what dkr said
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22:27.44valdynsyslq: depends on the filesystem on it
22:27.46Trampdkr: okok, don't clobber me :)
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22:27.59syslqvaldyn: ext3
22:28.18valdynsyslq: e2label then
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22:28.27syslqvaldyn: thanks a lot
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22:29.06Xgateswhen booting up I get this msg:  kinit: trying to resume from /dev/hda1 kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot, in /etc/fstab hda1 is my swap, ---> /dev/hda 1 none swap sw 0 0
22:29.23valdynXgates: that message is fine
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22:29.42Xgateswhy the heck is it trying to resume from something?
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22:29.51valdynXgates: the script checked if you had suspended to disk and found that you did not suspend
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22:30.26Xgatesanyone to disable this check, because I never suspend to disk and it's making the bootup really slow
22:30.34Xgatesanyone/anyway....
22:30.41valdynXgates: THAT little thing should make it slow? id doubt that
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22:31.13Xgatesyes slows the bootup by about 8 seconds
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22:31.21XgatesI don't need it, can I disable it
22:32.03DaemonikIs there a debian lenny install disc out there that can be used to install Debian to a machine that uses EFI instead of BIOS?
22:32.58Xgatessounds like someone has a mac  ;p
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22:34.51valdynXgates: i think its the uswsusp package
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22:35.26Xgatessorry what do you mean the uswsusp package
22:35.47valdynXgates: that package containst he resume script
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22:36.02Xgatesok
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22:37.21bezabanxgates: it's never that slow here, are you sure it's not the next thing starting up, or (possibly) a bad disk :s
22:37.29Xgatesno
22:37.39valdynit cant really be that slow....
22:37.48bezabanyou're on the right track to finding out though :>
22:38.02Xgatesit is for me, but I don't need resuming, I never use that stuff, so I'll remove that pkg
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22:38.38SupertankerHi; how can I change the GDM theme? No matter which theme I change it to, it always comes up with the default light blue Debian theme.
22:38.46SupertankerNot that I don't like the Debian theme, it just doesn't suit me :)
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22:39.41SupertankerAny ideas why it won't change from the default theme? Do I need to reboot?
22:39.41PovAddicthi
22:39.47PovAddictI just installed debian testing
22:39.55syslqSupertanker: you can say you dont like debian here, just dont mention ubuntu, or you'll get kicked out like I did once :)
22:40.00CutMeOwnThroatsomething is wrong with my (lenny) cupsd - if I go to http://localhost:631/printers/, all urls point to http://url_of_printer:631/[someurl] instead of http://localhost:631/[someurl] - I noticed because whatever that is prevents qtiplot from starting
22:40.05PovAddicthow do I install nvidia drivers?
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22:40.25syslqPovAddict: nvidia has an install script included
22:40.27PovAddictthere is an nvidia-glx package that depends on an unavailable version of the kernel
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22:40.46syslqPovAddict: you need to install kernel headers
22:40.53Supertankersyslq, would it be better if I just said that I installed Debian over Ubuntu, even though Ubuntu offered hte promise of easy wireless drivers? :P
22:41.16Supertanker(I got the wireless drivers working anyways, so now I'm customizing. I installed XFCE and made a darker purple/black version of the Galaxy theme.
22:41.23SupertankerLast thing to change is the GDM theme, which refuses to change.
22:41.49Xgatesvaldyn: well I don't have uswsusp installed so it has to be coming from somewhere else...
22:41.56PovAddict"nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 (provided by nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64)"
22:41.59syslqSupertanker: hehe
22:41.59PovAddict"nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 [UNAVAILABLE]"
22:42.24et!nvidia m-a
22:42.24dpkgThe short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.  For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
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22:42.37CutMeOwnThroatany idea how to find the underlying problem?
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22:42.54PovAddict!nvidia squeeze
22:42.55dpkgnon-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
22:43.12PovAddictoh fun :/
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22:44.08etPovAddict: well, it's testing after all
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22:45.35PovAddictI'd have probably made a testing/unstable mix eventually anyway...
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22:48.55MarkGilcan someone tell me the difference between useradd and adduser.  I recall one of them is the realdeal, the other is legacy to screw up newbies
22:49.12PovAddict!tum
22:49.12dpkgecho 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
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22:49.32MethsDoes anyone know if Debian is working on any Python > 2.5?  Or planning on stealing Ubuntu's versions any time soon?
22:49.39Supertankersyslq, ah well, I got it to work by manually editing /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
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22:50.07babilenMeths: Yes, the DDs are working on that.
22:50.18syslqSupertanker: nothing beats the manual work, I choped some woods today and I feel great
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22:50.37Methsbabilen: Cool, thanks.
22:51.10PovAddictalso moved from Ubuntu to Debian
22:51.26rgammansMeths, iirc, python 3,1 is in experimental
22:51.46PovAddictit was an old Kubuntu... I wasn't upgrading because of kde4phobia
22:52.28PovAddictbut I couldn't stay on an old version forever... so I upgraded to debian, and I'll force myself to use KDE4; shouldn't actually take long to get used to it
22:52.51babilenMeths: http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/10/msg00011.html
22:53.01jhutchins_ltFrom what I've heard once you get past 4.2.3 it's not too bad.
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22:53.33PovAddictI'm on 4.3.1
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22:56.40krisfremenhey guys
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22:56.55karstenPovAddict: Oddly enough ...
22:57.03karstenPovAddict: ... I moved from Chicago to San Francisco.
22:57.21karstenPovAddict: And yeah, the KDE4 situation on ubuntu more or less exactly sucks.
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23:00.27Methsrgammans: babilen: thanks for the info.
23:01.27babilenMeths: You are welcome. You know that you can always compile Python from source and install it to /usr/local
23:01.53babilenMeths: Just make sure that you delete /usr/local/bin/python and you should not run into any problems...
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23:09.16toolzanyone from here who heard about juno.c? a shit program which is used to flood/fuck up unsecured machines? I need someone to help me get rid of such attacks as they are so many in the last few days
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23:10.36syslqtoolz: how does it work?
23:10.48syslqtoolz: I use fail2ban for repelling network attacks
23:10.53toolzhttp://packetstormsecurity.nl/DoS/ I found this site with a lot of shit programs used for flooding
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23:11.48benediktis it possible to use the non-free repo for only one package and nothing else?
23:11.57benediktsomething similar to yum priorities plugin
23:12.01markybobtoolz, http://deflate.medialayer.com/  use this
23:12.18rgammans!dpkg tell benedikt pinning
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23:12.59benediktrgammans: dpkg is quiet.
23:13.08rgammansyeah I got an error
23:13.18benediktbut i can google
23:13.20benediktthanks
23:13.33rgammansbenedikt, ask dpkg yourself even
23:14.10benediktgoogle took me to the wiki :P
23:14.25telitiHi. Do you know in which packet one can find the battery-applet for kde?
23:14.52themillteliti: kpowersave
23:15.19telitithank you
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23:15.55PovAddictany suggestion for a graphical IMAP client? preferably for KDE (= using Qt), *other* than KMail
23:16.46teliticu
23:17.20themillPovAddict: mailody was getting some reviews a year or two ago.
23:18.11PovAddictI haven't tried KMail in KDE4 too much, but it didn't seem to be much different from KDE3's
23:18.51PovAddictwith imap it doesn't keep a local cache at all, if you look at message A, then B, then A, it downloads A twice from the server
23:19.00toolzmarkybob, that looks good
23:19.07themillPovAddict: it was only recently updated to KDE4 at all, wasn't it?
23:19.10PovAddictwith dimap, you have to manually tell it to sync to server, and I read reports about data loss
23:19.30toolzmarkybob, will it work only with iptables? I wont install apf as I've noticed you can choose to ban using iptables
23:20.06benediktrgammans: as far as I can work out, pinning is to set one repo to a lower priority. Isnt it possible to prohibit apt installing anything from non-free except one package?
23:20.56PovAddictbenedikt: pinning is more to make sure you get a package from one repo instead of another
23:21.08benedikti guess that gets to job done too.
23:21.11themillbenedikt: apt will never automatically install anything from non-free anyway. You have to request that it do so.
23:21.16PovAddictbut if the package is *only* available in non-free, then it'd get it...
23:21.30markybobtoolz, it works with either iptables or apf.  per your configuration
23:21.39PovAddictand that'd be the only situation anyway, since the same package can't be in both non-free and main...
23:21.44PovAddictsame package name, that is
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23:22.19benediktSo if a package is both availble in main and non-free, it will get the one in main.
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23:22.37benediktno, that doesnt make sense.
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23:22.58PovAddicta package can't be available in both
23:23.09benedikti know, thats why it didnt make sense
23:23.15CutMeOwnThroatyeah, how should that happen...
23:24.01benediktwhat I would like: have non-free enabled for my nvidia card (ugh). and apt would refuse to install anything else from non-free
23:24.43benediktand what Pin-Priority does main have? 1?
23:25.02CutMeOwnThroatit doesn't install from non-free anyway if you don't tell it to
23:25.14PovAddictCutMeOwnThroat: I think what he wants is to avoid accidentally telling it to
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23:25.20benediktyes.
23:25.26CutMeOwnThroatwell, just dont :)
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23:25.34benediktCutMeOwnThroat: what if i do 'apt-get install <package in non-free>
23:25.40PovAddictapt-get install somepackagename without knowing it was in non-free
23:26.10CutMeOwnThroatdon't you normally do apt-cache show <package> before that anyway to find out what that package is all about?
23:26.10benedikthmm. it probably wont be an issue..
23:26.33benedikti dont usually install packages that i dont konw what are beforehand..
23:26.34antidotoduring debian squeeze netinstall the laptop had overheated and the installation was stopped. Is there a way to continue the installation from where it was stopped?
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23:27.14jelly-homebenedikt: non-free isn't a different release, so for those purposes apt treats it as if it was part of the release mirror (which it usually is)
23:27.42CutMeOwnThroatfree programs that depend on non-free programs go in contrib, though?
23:27.56PovAddictyes
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23:31.09benediktjust discovered what vrms is.
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23:32.56PovAddictlol
23:33.01PovAddictthat's awesome
23:33.27ma3xis iceweasel optimized for debian (running quicker, using less ram, etc ... in other words better for the system) ?
23:33.48faffiits debianized for debian
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23:35.00ma3xyeah packaged alright
23:35.04ma3xbut not quicker or anything?
23:35.18PovAddictreboots for nvidia-glx
23:35.50jelly-homema3x: no
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23:37.12ma3xwhy apt-cache show iceweasel shows Version: 3.0.6-1 and pdo says 3.0.6-3?
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23:37.55Cryptic_DonkeyHow do i fix
23:37.55jelly-homema3x: you haven't done an aptitude update recently; or you're not looking at the whole output and there are multiple versions shown
23:38.00PovAddictuhh
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23:38.17[Elvis]hej guys, I'm wondering..what should I use aptitude or apt-get with autoremove to solve the dependency issues
23:38.22PovAddictdebianwiki:NvidiaGraphicsLibraries tells me I have to add stuff to my xorg.conf
23:38.25PovAddictsounded easy
23:38.30Kvantma3x, or you don't have security repo
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23:38.36PovAddictbut I don't have a xorg.conf :|
23:38.44Cryptic_DonkeyHow do i fix the fact the i als recognixes my  nvidia sound card but my sound is dead
23:38.59jelly-homePovAddict: use "X -configure" to generate a template
23:39.29PovAddictthat says X is already running
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23:40.49PovAddict"X :1 -configure" worked
23:40.55PovAddictflashed screen black
23:41.03jelly-homePovAddict: mmm. stop X, or add :1 to the ... oh well
23:41.04g00se_!tell [Elvis] why aptitude
23:41.55PovAddictokay, here we go...
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23:43.23benedikti still can't belive ubuntu installed the firmware for my wlan (wich apperently is non-free software) without letting me know.
23:43.30PovAddictX restart worked
23:43.55prince_jammyss>
23:43.55PovAddictand I successfully switched to OpenGL compositing mode
23:44.12PovAddictand everything is faster
23:44.15PovAddict\o/
23:44.19PovAddictthanks for the help!
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23:52.48JacktomDebian sucks; it can't bot from a USB thumb drive.
23:52.54Jacktom*boot
23:53.28JacktomI'm not going to break my USB thumbdrive trying to burn a Debian ISO to it!
23:53.51markybobJacktom, if debian sucks, why are you bothering?
23:53.59JacktomBecause I love apt.
23:54.02JacktomSo fuck off.
23:54.19JacktomI need someone to answer my question about USB thumb drive support!
23:54.28themillJacktom: do you have something constructive to say or are you merely here to insult and annoy?
23:54.34markybobJacktom, you're an ignorant fool.  you didnt ask a question
23:54.43Jacktomthemill: I am here to INSTALL LINUX FROM USB
23:54.49PovAddictyou said "it can't"
23:54.51PovAddictyou didn't ask "how do I"
23:54.58Jacktommarkybob: You're a keyboard warrior.
23:55.10markybobJacktom, no one cares about your bitching.  we are not your servants.  you treat us with respect or you go the hell away
23:55.12JacktomPovAddict: "How do I" was obviously implied.
23:55.29Jacktommarkybob: I could go use Windows if I wnated.
23:55.32Jacktom*wanted
23:55.33PovAddictbad attitude was implied
23:55.38themillJacktom: no it wasn't. You stated that it can't. You also stated that you didn't want to do anything about it.
23:55.38PovAddictthat doesn't get you help
23:55.41markybobJacktom, and that would hurt none of us.  go use it if you want
23:55.56JacktomI'm a lot smarter than all of you, but I do have a question.
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23:56.05PovAddictlol
23:56.11JacktomI have an IBM M52 ThinkCentre server that supports USB booting.
23:56.13PovAddictuse a search engine
23:56.17JacktomNo.
23:56.21PovAddictyou smart one
23:56.21JacktomI don't talk to computers.
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23:56.49PovAddictheh
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23:57.14themillJacktom: please take a time out from #debian and when you come back, do some reading from the install guide and try asking politely and then we'll be able to help you.
23:57.42brbrbrgoogle rules, yes
23:57.56themillJacktom: some reading for you... http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en
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