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| 00:00.17 | brbrbr | jacktop. note: most others distros can't boot from USB sticks "from box", so its not speciafic distro 'flaw" and not significant, IMO. p.s. talking aside MS "products" |
| 00:00.19 | benedikt | i installed squeeze with just cd1 and no network. is it possible I am just missing some packages for sound? ive googled around and it doesnt seem like i need some non-free drivers this time though, but i am defenently missing something |
| 00:00.58 | brbrbr | for sound itself ? imo, not. but maybe you may need sometimes gstreamer-bad codecs or something ? |
| 00:01.01 | brbrbr | like it |
| 00:01.15 | markybob | benedikt, alsa is mute by default. you need a mixer to raise the levels |
| 00:01.17 | fly_ | anyone know what the package name for 32bit GSM is? |
| 00:01.25 | PovAddict | GSM? |
| 00:01.26 | benedikt | gdm just gives me the system beep when it comes alive |
| 00:01.50 | fly_ | PovAddict .. im on 64bit if i get libgsm it gives me 64bit |
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| 00:01.57 | benedikt | and according to alsamixer the channels are on |
| 00:01.57 | fly_ | i need 32 |
| 00:02.03 | PovAddict | I mean what's libgsm? |
| 00:02.09 | fly_ | GSM codec |
| 00:02.12 | markybob | benedikt, is your user in the audio group? |
| 00:02.15 | brbrbr | libgsm ? codec from GSM |
| 00:02.27 | benedikt | markybob: yep |
| 00:02.33 | poisonbit | !versions alsa-utils |
| 00:03.01 | benedikt | afaik there are no audio card that need closed drivers. and ubuntu certainly didnt complain (wich now upsets me) |
| 00:03.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:03.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 00:03.35 | fly_ | brbrbr, yep Im looking for the name to the 32bit package though. |
| 00:03.45 | PovAddict | fly_: there may not be one |
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| 00:03.53 | benedikt | jpinx-eeepc: aplay Noise.wav playes... noise.. |
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| 00:05.07 | brbrbr | btw, note:some codecs, such as some CMI's supported in latest Alsa. x.x.28 and up? |
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| 00:05.34 | rainy-day | in an old debian system (about 5 years old), what kind of settings are needed to connect to the internet through a typical home network with a router? |
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| 00:05.51 | Bob | Back. |
| 00:05.54 | brbrbr | fly do you have lib32xxxxxx installed ? |
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| 00:06.07 | fly_ | brbrbr ia32? |
| 00:06.16 | brbrbr | fly yep |
| 00:06.21 | benedikt | rainy-day: basic ifconfig (or ip if that exists then). man ifconfig has some good examples |
| 00:06.22 | fly_ | yup |
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| 00:07.04 | brbrbr | ia32-libs stuff |
| 00:07.13 | rainy-day | benedikt: ok thanks.. |
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| 00:07.20 | fredl | anybody have a clue why this doesn't want to work: http://pastebin.ca/1645862 |
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| 00:07.41 | fly_ | im just gonna ia32-libs* |
| 00:07.42 | Jacktom | Okay, it looks like I need to get zcat working. |
| 00:07.43 | fly_ | lol |
| 00:07.47 | fly_ | hopefully that gets it |
| 00:07.57 | Jacktom | zcat on Windows 2000 might work with MS Services For Unix. |
| 00:07.59 | fredl | all my DHCP clients only seem to get addresses starting from 192.168.1.100 |
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| 00:08.16 | Jacktom | Then I can write the Debian USB boot image to the USB thumb drive. |
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| 00:09.42 | Jacktom | Guys can't I just drag the Debian installer boot image to the device and burn it to the thumb drive? Maybe in Windows Explorer or Nero? |
| 00:09.55 | fly_ | nope |
| 00:10.02 | fly_ | none of the ia32-libs |
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| 00:10.31 | d0ubleclick | Jacktom: you can use UNetbootin -- http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:11.15 | d0ubleclick | Jacktom: i installed lenny of my micro sd card with a mobile phone connected to a usb cable xD |
| 00:11.30 | d0ubleclick | Jacktom: so if that worked.. |
| 00:11.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: there isa well-documented method of installing from USB |
| 00:11.50 | Jacktom | So if I install my Services For Unix on Windows 2000 that I got from my Microsoft Technet subscription, you don't think that will help get the image on the thumb drive using the commands you would use in Linux? |
| 00:12.26 | Jacktom | I'm reading http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en right now |
| 00:12.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: I have heard of people creating a VM in windows just to burn the installer onto the USB device 'cos windows sucked so bad |
| 00:12.56 | d0ubleclick | you don't have to read anything, just go with the unetbootin :) |
| 00:12.57 | markybob | Jacktom, you should listen to dondelelcaro |
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| 00:13.37 | markybob | oops...meant d0ubleclick :P |
| 00:13.58 | Jacktom | looks at Unetbootlinux |
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| 00:14.23 | asarch | Which alsa model is for "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)"? |
| 00:14.44 | Jacktom | Unetbootin looks way better than MS SFU. I'm downloading it now. :) |
| 00:15.29 | asarch | I have that sound card. This is my dmesg: http://shak.pastebin.com/m66675851 |
| 00:15.42 | asarch | This is my uname -a: Linux shak 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:57:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:15.59 | asarch | This is my lsmod: http://shak.pastebin.com/m673cc79a |
| 00:16.20 | d0ubleclick | Jacktom: wise choice.. it's really a nobrainer tool. see, it even has a ubuntu favicon hahaha |
| 00:16.26 | asarch | modinfo snd-hda-intel | grep msi: parm: enable_msi:Enable Message Signaled Interrupt (MSI) (int) |
| 00:17.36 | fredl | or should I go to a channel with people more specialized in DHCP configuration? |
| 00:17.36 | rainy-day | how can I find out what ifconfig command line does a system run on startup? |
| 00:17.42 | asarch | But I still can't hear anything :-( |
| 00:17.45 | asarch | What's wrong? |
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| 00:19.55 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:20.35 | rainy-day | err, maybe I should rephrase that: on system startup, where does ifconfig get its configuration? |
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| 00:20.57 | fredl | rainy-day, /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 00:21.35 | fredl | ehr /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:21.50 | rainy-day | fredl: thanks! |
| 00:22.07 | fredl | yw |
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| 00:22.36 | fredl | anybody have any idea why this won't work: http://pastebin.ca/1645862 Every DHCP client gets an IP starting from 192.168.1.100 (the first subnet range) |
| 00:22.47 | fredl | I would like the fixed-address hosts below to get addresses in other subnets instead. The three subnets are all class C networks on one physical interface, one is br0, the other two at eth1:0 and eth1:1 |
| 00:23.06 | d0ubleclick | off to get some sleep.. good night * |
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| 00:27.16 | benedikt | any idea why i cant mount a location with ssh in gnome and watch video files from it, works just fine if I copy the file locally first though |
| 00:28.13 | pipeline | benedikt: sshfs is slow, gnome-vfs is even slower. |
| 00:28.27 | jiohdi | is there a package for themes, I installed from business card distro... missing a lot |
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| 00:29.17 | markybob | jiohdi, apt-cache search gtk themes |
| 00:29.25 | et | benedikt: speed issue? or in general? |
| 00:29.48 | jiohdi | thanks |
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| 00:31.14 | benedikt | et and pipeline not a speed issue. the media players refuse to play. |
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| 00:31.39 | jiohdi | does that work for xfce? |
| 00:31.47 | et | benedikt: which media players? |
| 00:31.52 | benedikt | mplayer: New_face failed: Maybe the font path is wrong. |
| 00:31.57 | benedikt | et: vlc and gmplayer |
| 00:32.11 | iluminator101 | when i run streamtuner i get this error Segmentation fault? |
| 00:32.12 | et | both aren't really gnome apps |
| 00:32.13 | benedikt | totem is still missing the bloody codec since i cnat figure out what the package is called. |
| 00:32.16 | markybob | jiohdi, gtk2-engines-xfce |
| 00:32.27 | markybob | jiohdi, if you have that, then yes |
| 00:32.32 | benedikt | et: ssh mounted wia gnome. gnome-vfs or whatever it is called. |
| 00:32.39 | benedikt | works fine when i copy the file to a local fs |
| 00:33.05 | Jacktom | Okay, question... I used dd if=/dev/sda1 of=whatever bs=4k to make a back up of a 1 GB partition that is NTFS (Windows install). Will that image of the partition from dd work if I copy it back to the partition with dd? |
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| 00:33.52 | et | benedikt: i'm not really into gnome-vfs, but if it's anything like kdes kio-stuff, then it isn't really surprising |
| 00:33.56 | Jacktom | What if I use parted to make the partition 1 GB larger, will I be able to still use the 1 GB image of the NTFS partition on the 2 GB partition? |
| 00:33.58 | benedikt | Jacktom: yeop |
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| 00:34.13 | Jacktom | And Windwos will see the larger size? |
| 00:34.16 | et | benedikt: because the player don't know gnome-vfs |
| 00:34.19 | Jacktom | *Wdnows |
| 00:34.23 | benedikt | et: i hate to say this, but it worked fine in ubuntu and this is my main way of watching movies. |
| 00:34.35 | benedikt | Jacktom: the partition will still be 1 gb |
| 00:35.30 | Jacktom | benedikt: But if I make the partition 2 GB and copy over the old 1 GB image, Windows will only see the 1 GB even though the partition has been increased to 2 GB? |
| 00:35.31 | fly_ | figured it out.. i had to manually extract and place the 32bit libgsm1 package |
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| 00:35.48 | fredl | yawns |
| 00:35.52 | benedikt | Jacktom: correct |
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| 00:36.04 | et | maybe they patched the stuff? don't know. as i said, i don't know gnome-vfs, but it doesn't sound surprising to me |
| 00:36.20 | benedikt | ill figure it out |
| 00:36.25 | sway | Jacktom: what about cutting out a fat16 partition that's a 1gb instead of moving and resizing? |
| 00:36.29 | Jacktom | Basically, I am doing this: 1) used dd to make raw image of /dev/sda1 2) Grow size of partition to 2 GB 3) Now I need to use the 1 GB image to restore. |
| 00:36.44 | et | i'd just mount it the "usual" way |
| 00:36.56 | benedikt | with sshfs? |
| 00:37.02 | benedikt | im doing it now |
| 00:37.59 | icebrain | has anyone tried the grub2 usb mass storage support? my BIOS doesn't support it, but I want to boot debian off an usb stick |
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| 00:38.08 | Jacktom | So no way to make the raw image bigger? |
| 00:38.27 | Jacktom | Maybe run ntfs-resize on the image file. |
| 00:38.31 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: does your bios support USB booting? |
| 00:39.04 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: not for usb flash disks, only usb cdrom drives |
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| 00:39.37 | Jacktom | I'm trying to get Compaq to release a BIOS update to enable USB booting on my 500 MHz Pentium III mini PC. :) |
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| 00:40.03 | icebrain | Jacktom: mine is Compaq too, an old n400c laptop |
| 00:40.03 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: if your bios doesn't support booting from a USB stick, you're screwed;) |
| 00:40.34 | Jacktom | Can you update your BIOS to support USB? |
| 00:40.35 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: that's the thing: since last Google SoC, grub devs are including usb mass storage support |
| 00:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: it'll fail before it gets as far as grub |
| 00:40.58 | Jacktom | You could flash a BIOS from a newer PC. |
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| 00:41.14 | icebrain | Jacktom: there is no newer version |
| 00:41.29 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: sorry, i didn't explain correctly: I want to run grub off a CD |
| 00:41.41 | Jacktom | You could use a USB to IDE adapter. |
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| 00:42.12 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: what's the problem then? |
| 00:42.26 | melissa | hey I just wanted to thank you guys, stuff just wasn't working yesterday, and without your help I wouldn't have been able to fix it. So thank you. |
| 00:42.36 | icebrain | jpinx-eeepc: I want to run *grub* off the CD, but then grub can't load debian off the usb stick |
| 00:43.00 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain: why not? |
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| 00:43.16 | Jacktom | melissa: np, please leave some change in our guitar case. |
| 00:43.55 | jpinx-eeepc | melissa: repay by helping others less savvy than yourself ;) |
| 00:44.05 | Jacktom | BOFH! |
| 00:44.12 | Jacktom | hides under desk. |
| 00:44.16 | melissa | jpinx-eeepc, I'm about the least savvy there is. :) But I try to help when I can. |
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| 00:44.31 | Jacktom | melissa: I know even less. :) |
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| 00:44.51 | jpinx-eeepc | melissa: there is always someone needing something - even if you just get to know the relevant bot factoids |
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| 00:45.07 | Jacktom | I am clueless with computers. Unfortunately, I am an IT guy. :( |
| 00:45.16 | BOFH | hah |
| 00:45.31 | melissa | lol Jacktom |
| 00:45.43 | icebrain1 | sorry, I lost the connection |
| 00:46.01 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: because my bios doesn't support usb mass storage devices... |
| 00:46.11 | Jacktom | They fired my predecessor, who was a genius, because he put in backdoors and viruses and password loggers everywhere and screwed the company out of money. |
| 00:46.23 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: then you're screwed, as I said |
| 00:46.28 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: I knew about USB-to-IDE, but never about IDE-to-USB. |
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| 00:47.10 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: but has I said, grub devs are including usb mass storage support |
| 00:47.12 | Jacktom | icebrain1: Yeah, probably wouldn't work. The best you could do is use a CD or floppy to chainload the USB drive. |
| 00:47.12 | melissa | uh....real dumb one, but is there a way through the command line to monitor your bios? |
| 00:47.16 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: you can get serial-to-usb, so presumable the reverse is true |
| 00:47.31 | melissa | jpinx-eeepc, you got me thinking about other "issuses" |
| 00:47.40 | jpinx-eeepc | melissa: :) |
| 00:47.50 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: but how can I chainload, if grub can't see the device? |
| 00:47.52 | jpinx-eeepc | !bios |
| 00:47.53 | dpkg | [bios] Basic Input Output System - the part of your system that is responsible for initalizing the various part of a computer when it is booted. See also <flash bios> and <coreboot>. |
| 00:48.09 | melissa | !flash bios |
| 00:48.09 | dpkg | [flash bios] a <BIOS> which contains a flash ROM chip that can be updated under certain conditions, but is otherwise static. To perform the flash operation within Linux, use flashrom (http://coreboot.org/Flashrom, packaged for Debian). Alternatively, create a FreeDOS boot disk containing the vendor's flash tool and proprietary BIOS image, ask me about <freedos>. See also <coreboot>. |
| 00:48.33 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: can you run grub? where is the point of failure? what is the error? |
| 00:48.34 | Jacktom | icebrain1: There are floppy and CD images specifically for getting older PCs to boot USB thumb drives. That is all I know. |
| 00:49.16 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I can run grub off a CD, but it doesn't find the drive |
| 00:49.35 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: what is the specific error |
| 00:49.53 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: I haven't found one, besides kexec-loader, but I can't get it to work |
| 00:50.00 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: you might need to go into edit mode and search for the device |
| 00:50.09 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: I did |
| 00:50.09 | Jacktom | Hmm |
| 00:50.51 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: specifically remembering the grub starts from 0, not 1 - so sda0 is the frist sda device |
| 00:51.04 | iluminator101 | here is my error http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d7ebeed3d |
| 00:51.16 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I tried multiple roots and using the UUID too |
| 00:51.32 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: the bios simply doesn't provide support for it |
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| 00:52.27 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: back to the drawing board for you then - look around for physical adaptors maybe |
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| 00:53.07 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: I'll try SVN grub2 first, then I'll search for those |
| 00:53.09 | icebrain1 | thanks all |
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| 00:54.15 | iluminator101 | streamtuner error http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d7ebeed3d |
| 00:54.23 | Jacktom | What GRUB needs is a predesktop area you can use while Linux is booting or doesn't work. That way you can get online from GRUB with a small browser or listen to music when Linux won't boot due to kernel panics or missing fs modules or whatever. |
| 00:55.36 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: then grub will be so complex it'll have it's own panics and missing modules :P |
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| 00:56.33 | Jacktom | Well, my Thinkpad laptop has Windows embedded integrated into the BIOS. I can boot into it and browse IBM's web site without ever loading an OS. |
| 00:56.36 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: there are usb-serial adaptors and gender changers, so you might have to cobble a few things togetherr |
| 00:56.50 | Jacktom | It's the ThinkVantage predesktop area. |
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| 00:57.28 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: ok, i'll try those |
| 00:57.35 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: I'm searching too - I could use a workaround for a bios that doesn't support usb booting in my old toshiba |
| 00:57.49 | Jacktom | Plugs together physically != will actually work |
| 00:57.54 | djahandarie | My tab-completion in bash is fucked up. It can't tab complete in the middle of a file. Help? |
| 00:58.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: obviously |
| 00:58.24 | Jacktom | djahandarie: Please avoid pejoratives in a family-oriented channel. Thank you. |
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| 00:59.05 | djahandarie | Jacktom, hey, there wasn't a disclaimer for that. :P |
| 00:59.06 | djahandarie | sues |
| 00:59.22 | melissa | djahandarie, what happens if you hit tab multiple times? |
| 00:59.39 | dseagrav | I has a new question. If I found a random item that blocked me for about a week and confused the hell out of me (it's in testing and unstable) where do I make a note of it so someone else doesn't spend a week dealing with the same thing? |
| 00:59.46 | djahandarie | melissa, nothing. |
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| 01:00.13 | djahandarie | melissa, tab completion works directly after a /. If I try it after a letter it doesn't work. |
| 01:00.40 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: a solution would be using a CF card with a simple adapter, like this: http://sageshome.net/blog/index.php/sage/2009/09/14/cf_ide_adapter_buy_ssd |
| 01:00.40 | Jacktom | Check your PATH environment variable. |
| 01:00.57 | Jacktom | djahandarie: Does the which command work? |
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| 01:01.06 | djahandarie | Jacktom, yep |
| 01:01.08 | melissa | djahandarie, I had this problem before on my laptop, made notes on said laptop, then the BF Dropped 2 lt of Mt. Dew on it. |
| 01:01.11 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: but its too expensive for my needs, I'm mostly tinkering with the box |
| 01:01.48 | Jacktom | Mountain Dew... eww, trailertrash. |
| 01:02.07 | djahandarie | Jacktom, hey. Family-oriented. :P |
| 01:02.22 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: me too - still looking...... |
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| 01:03.31 | djahandarie | Jacktom, melissa, actually... it does tab-complete things in PATH. It's just when I'm trying to do it in the file system. |
| 01:03.56 | djahandarie | I've been having a hard time fathoming why it would be doing this. |
| 01:04.24 | dseagrav | Anyway, if anyone cares, starting with unstable, someone somewhere decided that the normal X11 background that has been there since forever ago should be replaced with a blank black screen. So if you type "X" and expect to see output, you will get nothing, think the server is broken, and waste a week fighting with it. |
| 01:04.29 | Jacktom | icebrain1: Too expensive? It is like $2.34 USD. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.711~r.46646764 |
| 01:04.32 | dseagrav | Err, starting with testing. |
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| 01:05.16 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: the adapter, yes. But the card isn't so much cheaper (I need at least 2GB) |
| 01:05.17 | benedikt | ive tried to find something about this in bugs.debian.org, but why are sounds themes disabled in squeeze? it causes my system bell ping loudly when gdm pops up and when i shut down. |
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| 01:05.44 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: besides, I'm not from the US, and here CF cards are hard to find |
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| 01:06.22 | Supaplex | how do I enable core dumps? When I kill sleep with -6 or -11, it quits with abort/segfault, but no core is saved. |
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| 01:06.55 | melissa | djahandarie, I've been watching too much house, I just googled "Differential Diagnose: Bash tab auto completion" |
| 01:06.58 | markybob | !gdb |
| 01:06.58 | dpkg | i guess gdb is see manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/documentation/ , or run "gdb myprogramname" and when the "gdb" prompt comes up type "run" (or "run arg1 arg2..."). If/when your program receives a fatal signal, type "where" to get a stack trace, and send that to the maintainer. |
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| 01:07.22 | Supaplex | I'd rather save the core file instead of running this under gdb |
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| 01:08.50 | markybob | i'd rather get laid without women wanting a relationship |
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| 01:10.43 | melissa | djahandarie, Is this like what you are experiencing? http://www.nabble.com/menu-complete-command-fails-to-complete-file-names-td24875095.html |
| 01:10.47 | iluminator101 | how do i reverse this echo /usr/lib/streamtuner/plugins/python.so >> ~/.streamtuner/enabled-plugins |
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| 01:11.05 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: do you have a pcmcia slot? |
| 01:11.10 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: yeah |
| 01:11.53 | iluminator101 | how do i reverse this command echo /usr/lib/streamtuner/plugins/python.so >> ~/.streamtuner/disabled-plugins |
| 01:12.09 | jpinx-eeepc | looks like that might be the way forward - usb to serial needs a fair bit of hardware between the USB device and the serial port on the cmputer |
| 01:12.10 | PovAddict | iluminator101: open ~/.streamtuner/disabled-plugins with a text editor and delete last line |
| 01:12.23 | Jacktom | Okay, I have to go fuck around with my initrd now. |
| 01:12.33 | Supaplex | iluminator101: or, grep -v /usr/lib/streamtuner/plugins/python.so ~/.streamtuner/enabled-plugins > junk ; mv junk ~/.streamtuner/enabled-plugins |
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| 01:13.00 | Jacktom | I don't know what I am doing, other than that the company's intranet is down now that the NAS is screwed. |
| 01:13.30 | Jacktom | ntfs-3g makes a bad root file system. =( |
| 01:13.39 | PovAddict | lol |
| 01:13.39 | djahandarie | melissa, yeah actually, that looks about right |
| 01:13.58 | djahandarie | melissa, not sure what he's saying about menu-completion though. I have the same symptomes |
| 01:14.31 | melissa | alright, I've got work in like fifteen minutes I'll look for an answer before I have to go. I'm all yours *wink* |
| 01:14.33 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: usb sockets in teh pcmcia slot http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d7ebeed3d |
| 01:14.45 | markybob | Jacktom, ...i hope to gods you're joking. a fuse filesystem as root? are you ...nevermind. i dont care |
| 01:15.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: that sounds like an accident looking for a venue |
| 01:15.16 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: i think you've confused the links :) |
| 01:15.19 | Jacktom | But once I have ntfs suport in the initrd, the "no init found" error will go away. |
| 01:15.28 | markybob | jesus christ |
| 01:15.30 | PovAddict | why the hell would you want ntfs as root on Linux? |
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| 01:15.36 | markybob | you are a moron |
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| 01:16.01 | jpinx-eeepc | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/48669 |
| 01:16.03 | djahandarie | melissa, hah. Maybe I'll just switch to zsh or something |
| 01:16.12 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: yea :/ ^^ |
| 01:16.13 | PovAddict | I tried to switch to zsh |
| 01:16.16 | PovAddict | but looked like too much to learn :P |
| 01:16.30 | icebrain1 | PovAddict: not really |
| 01:16.32 | Jacktom | No, I wanted to be able to assure that the technology we use, while saving the company money, is still 100% backwards-compatible with our legacy Windows NT 4 license. |
| 01:16.46 | icebrain1 | PovAddict: most of bash stuff works fine |
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| 01:17.14 | PovAddict | you can't, or at least shouldn't even try, to use ntfs as a root filesystem on Unix... |
| 01:17.18 | Jacktom | Problem is, Windows NT 4 doesn't suport volume shadow copy. =( |
| 01:17.24 | melissa | djahandarie, pastebin your /etc/bash_completion I want to compare it to a known good file. |
| 01:17.26 | PovAddict | and... NT4? you serious? |
| 01:17.28 | markybob | Jacktom, hey, newsflash, ntfs-3g is *not* assurance of any kind. in fact, you'll likely fuck things up on both linux and windows eventually |
| 01:17.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: you are missing all the benefits of ext filesystems and leaving yourself wide open to serious abuse of the base system |
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| 01:17.59 | markybob | Jacktom, it's reverse-engineered hackdom. to trust that to production is utterly irresponsible |
| 01:18.18 | Jacktom | Linux doesn't care what file system I use as root, as long as /sbin/init loads (which is a custom init I made myself) |
| 01:18.33 | PovAddict | does ntfs keep Unix permissions at all? |
| 01:18.46 | Supaplex | don't blame us if it blows up. |
| 01:18.46 | jpinx-eeepc | no |
| 01:18.46 | markybob | Jacktom, not to mention all of the permission issues. ntfs-3g doesnt support linux acl's and you *will* be hacked. you will! |
| 01:18.46 | Jacktom | markybob: Sorry, I am imperfect at my job. |
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| 01:18.46 | Supaplex | s/if/when/ |
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| 01:18.59 | jpinx-eeepc | PovAddict: not at all |
| 01:19.06 | Jacktom | My /sb/init will emulate permissions. |
| 01:19.16 | PovAddict | pfffffft hahaha |
| 01:19.19 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: I think that adapter only gives you more usb ports, I don't think it emulates an IDE disk |
| 01:19.20 | markybob | Jacktom, dude...no. dont be that stupid. you have everyone here warning you |
| 01:19.27 | Jacktom | It will remember permissions and set them on start up. |
| 01:19.29 | markybob | Jacktom, my god, dont do this |
| 01:19.37 | iluminator101 | wifi eap validation thing i couldnt get it go on wicd |
| 01:19.38 | PovAddict | I suggest Windows 95 |
| 01:19.41 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: but your BIOS might allow grub to see it |
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| 01:20.00 | benedikt | what package is needed for totem to play .avi mpeg 4? |
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| 01:20.09 | Jacktom | Okay, so maybe I could just make /home NTFS. |
| 01:20.10 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: no, my bios doesn't support it! that's the problem! |
| 01:20.10 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: unfortunately there is no way of knowing till you try it.... |
| 01:20.12 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use Eclipse? I am trying to share it out for several users but how would I install the plugins for it so they too can be shared? |
| 01:20.29 | Jacktom | A root NTFS sounded handy, though. |
| 01:20.44 | PovAddict | I don't know why you need NTFS at all |
| 01:20.59 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: meh, besides it's 13€ for the adapter, plus 18€ for the CF.. |
| 01:21.02 | benedikt | Jacktom: there are windows drivers for ext3 |
| 01:21.04 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: http://www.taltech.com/TALtech_web/support/usb2serial.htm |
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| 01:21.22 | icebrain1 | jpinx-eeepc: that's serial, not IDE |
| 01:21.33 | icebrain1 | I can't boot off serial port :) |
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| 01:21.38 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: I'd seriously consider buuilding my own converter if I can find the wiring diagram |
| 01:21.41 | Jacktom | The boss requirees all file systems on all company computers to be supported by Windows 2000 or NT 4 out of the box without third party drivers. |
| 01:22.01 | PovAddict | would you dual-boot with Windows on that machine? |
| 01:22.07 | jpinx-eeepc | icebrain1: ouch - you're even more screwed than I thuought |
| 01:22.11 | djahandarie | melissa, http://pastebin.com/f176f6a71 |
| 01:22.14 | Jacktom | On some machines we dual boot. |
| 01:22.16 | benedikt | Jacktom: why |
| 01:22.22 | markybob | Jacktom, then you dont use linux. and you dont go crazy with ntfs-3g as root. |
| 01:22.35 | markybob | Jacktom, this is beyond insanity. you just dont do it |
| 01:22.38 | craigevil | benedikt: try gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
| 01:22.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: get a new boss who knows what he's doing |
| 01:22.46 | Jacktom | Perhaps, but the boss likes Linux. Hmm. |
| 01:22.53 | icebrain1 | I think using ntfs and a mounted drive is ok |
| 01:22.59 | icebrain1 | just not as the root fs |
| 01:23.09 | benedikt | craigevil: thanks. |
| 01:23.10 | dkulchenko | Hi all! I'm coming over to Debian after finally dashing my hopes that Karmic improved on the mess that Jaunty was. Any recommendations for what version of Debian I should get? (unstable, lenny, etc.) I'm used to the bleeding edge and support for everything that Ubuntu had. |
| 01:23.10 | Zach_the_Lizard | Jacktom: the boss must no like Linux if he wants everything to be NTFS |
| 01:23.11 | Jacktom | He hired me because I "know Linux," |
| 01:23.23 | markybob | Jacktom, yeah, you've made that clear. |
| 01:23.43 | jpinx-eeepc | there is no need for / to be anything other than ext - /home could be ntfs <shudder> |
| 01:23.49 | PovAddict | Jacktom: then he shouldn't tell you how to do things |
| 01:23.56 | icebrain1 | dkulchenko: if you want bleeding-edge, try Sidux (it's unstable, with an installer and some scripts) |
| 01:24.09 | jpinx-eeepc | dkulchenko: install lenny and take it from there |
| 01:24.11 | icebrain1 | dkulchenko: http://sidux.com/ |
| 01:24.18 | PovAddict | dkulchenko: I stick to testing |
| 01:24.21 | Jacktom | markybob: In my area, I am a Linux genius. No one knows what it is, other than hearing the word in passing. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. |
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| 01:24.36 | dkulchenko | PovAddict: is that heavily buggy? |
| 01:24.38 | DaveDorm | yo |
| 01:24.40 | sway | haha |
| 01:24.43 | dkulchenko | icebrain1: I'll check that out |
| 01:24.45 | ddalton | hi, when i try to remove a package i tried to install i get this: http://pastebin.com/fa9c1a4 |
| 01:24.57 | Jacktom | Even though I admit I am far from a Linux expert. :) |
| 01:24.58 | DaveDorm | Adobe Air 64 bid Debian Sid. Tried about six HOWTOS. |
| 01:24.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: ok - use ext3 for / and don't worry that the boss can't read it |
| 01:25.02 | PovAddict | dkulchenko: I find 'stable' too old and 'unstable' just sounds a bit scary for me although I never tried it |
| 01:25.10 | ddalton | anyone know how to fix even if i try reinstalling with dpkg, i get more errors, i can post them if you require |
| 01:25.21 | DaveDorm | installed required 32 bit libs, still getting wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 01:25.41 | PovAddict | dkulchenko: really, for a desktop system, and especially if you're used to bleeding edge, do *not* get debian stable :P |
| 01:25.46 | sway | if you're not an expert, i don't think they exist |
| 01:25.52 | dkulchenko | PovAddict: apparently, testing is a lot more unstable than the 'unstable' branch |
| 01:26.00 | benedikt | Jacktom: sounds like my old boss |
| 01:26.01 | PovAddict | [citation needed] |
| 01:26.52 | craigevil | dkulchenko: install sidux, then install a debian kernel and grub2, then remove the sidux cruft and you have a working debian sid install in about 20 minutes |
| 01:27.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dkulchenko about testing |
| 01:27.21 | Jacktom | I see NTFS as root as a way to make my boss happy == I don't get fired. |
| 01:27.31 | dkulchenko | PovAddict: quote from the Debian FAQ: Testing breaks less often than Unstable. But when it breaks, it takes a long time for things to get rectified. |
| 01:27.40 | Jacktom | Hey, wait a minute... |
| 01:27.45 | Jacktom | I could do FAT32 as root. |
| 01:27.46 | melissa | crap, djahandarie, I've got to go, I've saved your bash completion, will look through it, though I'm very unsure that that is where the error is. I'll continue looking when I get home, if you're on tomorrow I'll tell you what I found. |
| 01:28.03 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: I think that's even less reliable :) |
| 01:28.14 | PovAddict | think of a real situation where you'd need to read the root filesystem of the Linux machine from a Windows system |
| 01:28.26 | dkulchenko | craigevil: ok, i'll try that |
| 01:28.35 | markybob | Jacktom, no, you.....fuck! listen! permissions will not work on ntfs or fat or vfat |
| 01:28.38 | Jacktom | PovAddict: I've argued this with my boss. He is very adamant about this. |
| 01:28.57 | Zach_the_Lizard | Jacktom: tell him it can't be done, then |
| 01:29.04 | Jacktom | markybob: So? That's only a problem if someone has local access or shell. |
| 01:29.18 | markybob | Jacktom, no, dude. not even close. you will be rooted in a week |
| 01:29.21 | Jacktom | Unless binaries aren't +e :( |
| 01:29.34 | Jacktom | *+x |
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| 01:29.57 | Zach_the_Lizard | Without permissions, you'll be hosed over very quickly |
| 01:30.01 | markybob | hell, i might root you, just to teach you a lesson. why dont you listen to what *everyone* is trying to tell you? |
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| 01:30.12 | Jacktom | I'll try to talk him into ext2 with a Windows CD that slipstreams the ext2 file system driver. |
| 01:30.15 | somiaj | dkulchenko: the problem with unstable/testing is things 'may' break during upgrades and cause lots of headache, hassle you may not want. My suggestion is debian stable + backports of anything you want that is not 'up to date enough' for you. |
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| 01:30.35 | markybob | and why the hell do i even try to convince you...i give. do whatever the hell crazy thing you wanna do. have fun |
| 01:30.48 | somiaj | dkulchenko: I run unstable, but I have also lost days of time fixing things after upgrades....if you don't have the knowledge, or the time to do this, its a bad suggestion. |
| 01:31.19 | Jacktom | markybob: No, your input is appreciated. I'm just between a rock and a hard place. |
| 01:32.12 | Jacktom | I'll try to present a case tomorrow for having ext2 as the root file system on the basis of preventing company downtime due to data loss. |
| 01:32.42 | Jacktom | We have motivational meetings in the mornings, so I'll confront him then. |
| 01:33.07 | markybob | motivational meetings? where do you work? hell? is your boss satan? |
| 01:33.12 | Zach_the_Lizard | lol |
| 01:33.23 | Zach_the_Lizard | I think it's the PHB in the flesh |
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| 01:33.27 | Jacktom | It's a debt collector. |
| 01:33.45 | PovAddict | looks like markybob was right |
| 01:33.48 | markybob | Jacktom, in that case, just jump off the roof. it's better for everyone |
| 01:34.00 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: the best solution is really ext3 for root, ntfs-3g to data |
| 01:34.02 | Jacktom | I manage the computers and servers for the skiptracing system and accounts management for a collector. |
| 01:34.16 | icebrain1 | Jacktom: as long as the data can be accessed from windows, what's the problem? |
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| 01:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: / on ext3, /home on ntfs - I told you that ages ago |
| 01:34.48 | icebrain1 | yeah |
| 01:34.58 | PovAddict | if you need to access the data on a Linux hard disk, use a Linux LiveCD, why do you need "access from Windows without extra drivers"? |
| 01:35.06 | jpinx-eeepc | smells a troll |
| 01:35.10 | icebrain1 | PovAddict: because he dual-boots |
| 01:35.13 | Jacktom | My boss breaks a lot of consumer protection laws with his company and we pay lots of FDCPA fines. So it isn't ideal. |
| 01:35.44 | Zach_the_Lizard | Explain where you would ever need to write to / from Windows |
| 01:35.50 | Jacktom | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah, ext3, but i said ext2 because it's the same thing other than some data integrity enahncements. |
| 01:36.13 | Jacktom | Zach_the_Lizard: My boss wants to be able to access his data himself if he wants. |
| 01:36.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: ext-whatever - the boss doesn't have to be able to read / - only /home |
| 01:36.38 | EasyTUX | Jacktom: Don't let anybody tell you what the hell is the best for YOU ! Try, figure out, compare, in a word think ! |
| 01:36.41 | Jacktom | Right. |
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| 01:36.54 | somiaj | Jacktom: and installing the windows ext2/3 drivers isn't an option. That way you can have unix style primisisions for the stuff in linux? |
| 01:37.04 | Zach_the_Lizard | If he *insists* on reading /, toss him a liveCD |
| 01:37.05 | markybob | i still think he should off himself |
| 01:37.27 | Zach_the_Lizard | markybob: That's probably the best solution for all involved, if he takes his boss with him |
| 01:37.32 | Jacktom | Why? At least I'm employed. |
| 01:37.34 | jpinx-eeepc | "offs" markybob |
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| 01:38.18 | Jacktom | My boss tells a lot of people he is a lawyer on the phone to scare them into paying. :/ |
| 01:38.39 | spldart | would someone mind helping me with a rdesktop problem in debian? i'm trying to connect to a windows 7 machine, RC ver, and I ahve remote assistance enabled... with debian on my netbook. But i get "error: the.ip.address.nstuff: unable to connect BTW.. win 7 is at 192.168.2.2 and both netbook and win 7 rigs have my name as username and same password for each. dunno if that makes a diff. |
| 01:38.39 | benedikt | i bet you are from america |
| 01:38.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: there are plenty of ways for the boss to read / in ext"n" if needed, but it's not |
| 01:39.05 | PovAddict | spldart: Windows Firewall? |
| 01:39.15 | benedikt | spldart: windows has a "new" and "security enhaced" rdp protocol in win7 i belive. disbale that. |
| 01:39.17 | spldart | I beleve I have that disabled |
| 01:39.18 | PovAddict | spldart: and no, your system password won't make any difference at all |
| 01:39.19 | spldart | I can check |
| 01:39.19 | markybob | benedikt, i'm from america. i'm not retarded |
| 01:39.29 | PovAddict | america is a continent |
| 01:39.39 | benedikt | markybob: his boss sounds retarded. not you (nor him) |
| 01:39.53 | icebrain1 | benedikt: that happens everywhere, do you think there's a country scam-free? |
| 01:40.01 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: sounds like your win box is not responding to it's IP |
| 01:40.14 | Jacktom | BTW, this is our web site: http://cascadecollections.com/collectionframe.htm |
| 01:40.20 | benedikt | icebrain1: nobody would be afraid of a lawyer where im from |
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| 01:41.17 | spldart | windo0ws firewall is off and I can ping it from the debian machine |
| 01:41.33 | spldart | and the debian rig is a eee 900 |
| 01:41.55 | asarch | Which alsa driver do I need fo those sound cards? http://shak.pastebin.com/m1e642234 |
| 01:41.55 | spldart | i know that doesn't make a diff but just thought I'd throw that out there |
| 01:41.57 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: I rdesktop from my 701 into a xp box no trouble |
| 01:41.59 | PovAddict | spldart: try nmap 192.168.2.2 |
| 01:42.20 | spldart | I have done deb to xp fine.. but that was a year ago.. tryinjg nmap now |
| 01:42.21 | icebrain1 | benedikt: ok, I'm glad. I'm from europe and many people are more afraid if you tell them you're a lawyer. |
| 01:42.36 | icebrain1 | benedikt: I guess it depends on the judicial system state |
| 01:42.46 | icebrain1 | benedikt: here in Portugal it's not that great |
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| 01:42.53 | jpinx-eeepc | here we eat lawyers for lunch :) |
| 01:43.00 | spldart | nmap isn't an app I have on deb.... |
| 01:43.09 | benedikt | icebrain1: but i like your drug laws |
| 01:43.10 | Zach_the_Lizard | icebrain1: if someone here in America told me he's a lawyer, I think I'd just shoot him and suffer the consequences =P |
| 01:43.30 | PovAddict | spldart: then get it? :) |
| 01:43.31 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - portugal is well ahead on that score |
| 01:43.45 | spldart | I am currently installing |
| 01:43.54 | Zach_the_Lizard | has portugal legalized some stuff? If so, I'm totally moving there |
| 01:43.55 | icebrain1 | benedikt: what drug laws? |
| 01:44.08 | benedikt | icebrain1: :D |
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| 01:44.29 | PovAddict | laws passed by lawmakers on drugs? |
| 01:44.52 | Jacktom | http://cascadecollections.com |
| 01:44.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: stop trolling |
| 01:45.28 | Jacktom | jpinx-eeepc: I am listening to Madonna music. |
| 01:45.30 | spldart | well crud.. nmap would seem to be telling me that windwos firewall or some such thing is blocoking. Bhyut i have windwos firewall off.... |
| 01:45.32 | spldart | gah |
| 01:45.47 | Jacktom | http://cascadecollections.com/collectionframe.htm |
| 01:46.11 | PovAddict | quit posting links to that |
| 01:46.14 | jpinx-eeepc | spldart: rdesktop is a no brainer in linux, the trouble is always at the Win end ;) |
| 01:46.19 | Jacktom | Sorry. |
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| 01:46.25 | spldart | okidoki |
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| 01:46.49 | spldart | like I said.. I've done debian>xp pro corp before.. but not > win7 .. I'll keep tinkering |
| 01:46.57 | Jacktom | So now I need to work on updating the web site. |
| 01:47.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: stop trolling |
| 01:47.18 | Jacktom | jpinx-eeepc: I am not a troll! |
| 01:47.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !topic |
| 01:47.41 | markybob | god i hope you're a troll. if you're not, then your "company" is doomed |
| 01:47.51 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: topic |
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| 01:48.02 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf.. |
| 01:48.02 | Jacktom | Hey guys... What do you think about cone bras? |
| 01:48.24 | Jacktom | I was going to wear a cone bra and strapon into work tomorrow. |
| 01:48.24 | markybob | Jacktom, ok...now you're asking to get kicked. keep it up |
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| 01:48.41 | Jacktom | Definitely not a troll. ;) |
| 01:48.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Jacktom: you're going to get kicked in a minute |
| 01:49.26 | Jacktom | I'm done anyway. I'm going to go on Ebay and buy more Madonna stuff now. :) |
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| 01:54.17 | IBM_ThinkBra | Does Debian have a good handwriting recognition app for tablet PCs? |
| 01:54.27 | IBM_ThinkBra | I'm installing Debian on my IBM Thinkpad tablet PC laptop. |
| 01:54.58 | IBM_ThinkBra | I'll try apt-cache search once I'm installed. :) |
| 01:55.00 | Zach_the_Lizard | considering you were just talking about installing Linux with a / on NTFS, I think not |
| 01:55.03 | asarch | Which alsa driver do I need fo those sound cards? http://shak.pastebin.com/m1e642234 |
| 01:55.20 | markybob | IBM_ThinkBra, yes. it's called cellwriter |
| 01:55.25 | teekay_ | yo |
| 01:55.32 | IBM_ThinkBra | asarch: Alsa will automatically detect modern sound cards. |
| 01:55.54 | Zach_the_Lizard | most modern sound cards anyways |
| 01:56.04 | asarch | It doesn't work with this sound card: "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)" |
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| 01:57.11 | nsadmin | asarch give us that same line again, except use lspci -nn |
| 01:57.48 | asarch | Ok |
| 01:58.09 | asarch | lsmod: http://shak.pastebin.com/m673cc79a |
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| 01:58.17 | asarch | uname -a: Linux shak 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:57:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:58.25 | asarch | dmesg: http://shak.pastebin.com/m66675851 |
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| 01:58.49 | asarch | modinfo snd-hda-intel | grep msi: parm: enable_msi:Enable Message Signaled Interrupt (MSI) (int) |
| 01:59.23 | Zach_the_Lizard | asarch: Does sound not work at all? |
| 01:59.36 | asarch | http://shak.pastebin.com/m64e0b0ef |
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| 01:59.40 | asarch | Nop :'-( |
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| 02:00.24 | spldart | ok... jpinx-eeepc I fixed the problem on the windows end.. how do I address a windows machine with 1920x1080 resolution with my debian machine with eee's 1024x600 resolution.. it's offscreen at the bottom and it's squaere instead of filling myscreen |
| 02:00.34 | tuv | nfs mounts seem to prevent laptop-mode's auto-hiberate script from putting the laptop to hibernate when the battery is running low. any workarounds? |
| 02:00.56 | nsadmin | hmm it probably is that driver... |
| 02:01.06 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:293e |
| 02:01.07 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:293e |
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| 02:01.22 | nsadmin | yep, that would be the driver |
| 02:01.43 | nsadmin | you probably have to pass it model=someModelName |
| 02:02.46 | spldart | err.. well... i was able to -g 90% to get the last of it on my screen. heehe.. |
| 02:02.47 | spldart | n/m |
| 02:02.55 | spldart | I'll figure this out outside of #debian :) |
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| 02:04.51 | benedikt | anybody else running testing and gets the system bell when gdm pops up? |
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| 02:14.32 | asarch | How can I let any users screw up NTFS partitions? |
| 02:14.44 | asarch | /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0? |
| 02:14.58 | benedikt | with ntfs-3g the permissions will be 777 |
| 02:15.17 | asarch | /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,-m=777 0 0? |
| 02:15.18 | asarch | ? |
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| 02:16.00 | benedikt | Amorphous: you dont have to specify it |
| 02:16.11 | benedikt | ntfs doesnt support unix permissions |
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| 02:16.21 | benedikt | so the only thing the driver can do is to make it 777 |
| 02:16.32 | asarch | /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0? |
| 02:16.36 | benedikt | yeah |
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| 02:18.21 | benedikt | !tell Kvant sex |
| 02:18.48 | benedikt | !tell Kvant about sex |
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| 02:20.22 | asarch | "The ntfs-3g filesystem is unknown" |
| 02:20.23 | asarch | ? |
| 02:20.39 | Touma | install the packet |
| 02:20.44 | Touma | ntfs-3g |
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| 02:21.42 | asarch | D'oh! |
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| 02:33.34 | calamari_ | hi |
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| 02:34.52 | calamari_ | under lenny I was able to install finch without installing x11 stuff. I upgraded to squeeze, and am having trouble with finch. It tries to install a bunch of x11 stuff that I have no need for. I guess the dependencies changed somehow? Any idea how I can work around this, or is this a bug? |
| 02:35.38 | sway | workarounds are dangerous last resorts |
| 02:36.12 | PovAddict | I already have X |
| 02:36.27 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell calamari_ about testing |
| 02:36.30 | PovAddict | and yet installing finch wants to download 57MB of stuff |
| 02:36.32 | PovAddict | and use 122MB of disk |
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| 02:37.03 | PovAddict | gstreamer for a text-mode chat client? |
| 02:37.23 | calamari_ | PovAddict: exactly.. I am not sure what changed .. it was lightweight in lenny |
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| 02:38.01 | calamari_ | I decided to upgrade because I wanted pidgin-facebookchat hehe |
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| 02:39.20 | calamari_ | jpinx-eeepc: btw you may want to fix your !tell bot.. he used a really long line and it cut off |
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| 02:49.56 | PovAddict | apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get source foo; how do I compile the package into a .deb now? |
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| 02:50.34 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: go into the top-level package and do debuild (or if you don't have devscripts installed, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us) |
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| 02:50.49 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: *the top-level directory it extracted, not the top-level package |
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| 02:50.56 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: err, use -uc -us with debuild too |
| 02:51.23 | PovAddict | eh, I don't have fakeroot... |
| 02:51.25 | bugjar | i don't see a note in the manpage to identify what the second column means when doing a `pulseaudio --dump-modules` -- is there a guide? |
| 02:51.32 | PovAddict | if I have to install more stuff anyway, it might as well be devscripts :) |
| 02:51.58 | PovAddict | wow, that depends on a zillion perl libraries... |
| 02:53.46 | PovAddict | Hydroxide: and what if I change the code? |
| 02:53.56 | PovAddict | I guess I should change the version number right? |
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| 02:56.04 | l3x | does anyone know about clean access and linux :P |
| 02:56.34 | Xenguy | sounds like a trick question =) |
| 02:56.41 | l3x | no |
| 02:56.48 | l3x | i have a java applet problem |
| 02:56.55 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: yeah, change the version number - use dch from devscripts to make a nice additional changelog entry |
| 02:56.59 | l3x | my school just implemented clean access |
| 02:57.15 | PovAddict | I just want it for local installation |
| 02:57.20 | l3x | and i cna't get online bc of the java applet issue |
| 02:57.20 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: dpkg-checkbuilddeps can also show you if you're missing any build dependencies, though there shouldn't be any if you just ran apt-get build-dep |
| 02:57.46 | Xenguy | l3x: WTH is "clean access" ? |
| 02:57.47 | PovAddict | I plan to report the bug and post the patch :) |
| 02:57.52 | PovAddict | (but not today!) |
| 02:57.54 | rainy-day | by default, are home networks usually on 192.168.1.1 or ..0.1 or there's no "typical" setting? |
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| 02:57.57 | xhairball | l3x: easiest way is non-technical. Ask for an exception. Tell them you don't run Windows. |
| 02:57.59 | l3x | i have tried to make konquer browser be a netscape browser as MAC but no go |
| 02:58.00 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: yeah, it's not absolutely essential but still nice to do that so you don't lose any history from the debian changelog and can still distinguish the versions in your package manager |
| 02:58.29 | PovAddict | but first I want to just install the .deb, which won't work if I don't change the version since I already have the original debian package installed |
| 02:58.35 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: try to put it between -1 and -2, or whatever the two version numbers are. like, -1.povaddict.1 or something |
| 02:58.45 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: it will let you install it either way with or without a different version number |
| 02:58.52 | l3x | xhairball, the sad thing is that they won't filter me i work for the head guy in it :( |
| 02:59.19 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: if it's for a quick test of that sort, then yeah, the version number doesn't matter |
| 02:59.35 | PovAddict | oh, i thought if it was identical to the currently installed, trying to install mine would do nothing |
| 02:59.44 | PovAddict | it = the version number |
| 02:59.47 | l3x | is there any linux java applet that i can install or hack? |
| 02:59.47 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: it will work fine either way. just if you do change it, be sure to make it lower than the next standard debian revision so that upgrades go smoothly |
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| 03:00.27 | PovAddict | should set up ccache tomorrow |
| 03:00.44 | PovAddict | and a zillion other things... I installed this debian today |
| 03:01.09 | PovAddict | dpkg-buildpackage ... -j2 doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 03:01.32 | Hydroxide | l3x: how about icedtea-gcjwebplugin, or if you want the proprietary version of sun's java plugin, add the non-free section to your sources.list and use sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:02.36 | l3x | Hydroxide, i'll do ne thing that helps, i have a problem i don't have ethernet the campus is all wireless, do you know where i can dl it from a windows machine? |
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| 03:03.30 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: use the environment variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=n" though not all package build systems are set up to support that |
| 03:03.43 | IBM_ThinkBra | Debian is the Godwin invocation OS. |
| 03:03.53 | PovAddict | is dissecting debhelper :P |
| 03:03.58 | IBM_ThinkBra | It invokes Godwin's law in every forum thread. |
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| 03:04.21 | IBM_ThinkBra | Especially on unofficial ports. :P |
| 03:04.34 | qiyong | is it possible to upgrade from a ubuntu system into debian? |
| 03:04.37 | Hydroxide | l3x: debian should support your wireless too, but ... did I understand your quesiton right? |
| 03:04.43 | qiyong | just change the repos and upgrade? |
| 03:04.53 | PovAddict | qiyong: I really don't think so... |
| 03:04.54 | Hydroxide | qiyong: no, not supported |
| 03:04.56 | IBM_ThinkBra | qiyong: I don't see why not. What's the worst thing that could happen? |
| 03:05.06 | qiyong | is it possible to upgrade from a ubuntu system into debian? just change the repos and upgrade? |
| 03:05.11 | Hydroxide | qiyong: if you manage to make it work, wonderful, but it's more likely that things will go wrong |
| 03:05.23 | qiyong | PovAddict: is it possible i mean, i can fix things manually |
| 03:05.23 | Hydroxide | qiyong: we have no way of knowing what |
| 03:05.42 | IBM_ThinkBra | qiyong: Just do a Debian install to a different device and copy the files from that install over your existing Ubuntu install. Should work fine. |
| 03:05.52 | PovAddict | I dare you to try :D |
| 03:05.54 | Hydroxide | qiyong: no guarantees from here, sorry. though yes, we can give you advice on saving your data |
| 03:06.02 | Hydroxide | qiyong: and then doing a reinstall |
| 03:06.09 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: so chroot install? |
| 03:06.14 | PovAddict | but do a *full* backup first :D |
| 03:06.16 | IBM_ThinkBra | qiyong: Yeah. |
| 03:06.23 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: sure, that way, you can install fedora even :) |
| 03:06.31 | IBM_ThinkBra | I don't see why you need to back up. |
| 03:06.50 | l3x | Hydroxide, yea, i see what you mean. let me see if i can dl the packages without logging it, because it won't let me browse the net |
| 03:06.53 | IBM_ThinkBra | The installer won't touch anything that isn't operating-system related. |
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| 03:07.11 | IBM_ThinkBra | As long as you don't format or partition. If you do that, all bets are off |
| 03:07.16 | qiyong | ok, i'll let them co-exist |
| 03:07.17 | rumpsy | !apache |
| 03:07.17 | dpkg | apache is probably a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://httpd.apache.org/ #apache on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:07.20 | Hydroxide | l3x: http://packages.debian.org/thepackagename will let you download packages, but you'll have to handle downloading dependencies yourself |
| 03:07.27 | PovAddict | well |
| 03:07.40 | rumpsy | Where can i find apache source in debian |
| 03:07.47 | rumpsy | Where it is installed |
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| 03:07.51 | PovAddict | rumpsy: source? |
| 03:07.55 | Hydroxide | rumpsy: apt-get source apache2 |
| 03:07.55 | l3x | Hydroxide, it tells me to inser the debian 5.0.1 disc :( |
| 03:08.05 | IBM_ThinkBra | Seriously, I don't think it is worth it (upgrading Ubuntu to Debian). Just save your configuration files and personal data and reinstall. |
| 03:08.09 | rumpsy | src.. location os apache |
| 03:08.10 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: you run thinkpad? |
| 03:08.17 | Hydroxide | l3x: you can download the individual .deb files and use dpkg -i to install them |
| 03:08.22 | rumpsy | i installed apache |
| 03:08.26 | l3x | Hydroxide, i used aptitude install icetead |
| 03:08.26 | IBM_ThinkBra | qiyong: Yes, I have an IBM Thinkpad X41 Tablet PC laptop. |
| 03:08.35 | rumpsy | But where it is installed |
| 03:08.46 | PovAddict | rumpsy: all over your filesystem, like most packages :P |
| 03:08.56 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: too old. |
| 03:08.56 | IBM_ThinkBra | I use my IBM tablet PC to watch Madonna videos. |
| 03:09.05 | rumpsy | oh.. bad :P |
| 03:09.07 | IBM_ThinkBra | qiyong: So you like X61? |
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| 03:09.17 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: i wonder how well thinkpad is supported under debian |
| 03:09.27 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: i use a r400 |
| 03:09.29 | rumpsy | Right i'm installing a module in perl.. it is asking for a src location os apache.. |
| 03:09.29 | Hydroxide | l3x: right. if you don't have a Debian disc or access to the internet directly from the debian system, you won't be able to use aptitude |
| 03:09.40 | Hydroxide | qiyong: my thinkpad x61 tablet works wonderfully with debian |
| 03:09.44 | PovAddict | rumpsy: you *don't* have apache source code |
| 03:09.52 | l3x | Hydroxide, what packages do i need, just icedtea |
| 03:09.57 | IBM_ThinkBra | Hydroxide: How is battery life? |
| 03:10.05 | rumpsy | i want o know the installed location of apache? |
| 03:10.07 | Hydroxide | l3x: check the dependencies listed |
| 03:10.12 | Hydroxide | l3x: on that web page |
| 03:10.13 | qiyong | Hydroxide: those buttons work well? |
| 03:10.16 | PovAddict | rumpsy: it's not installed in a single directory |
| 03:10.19 | IBM_ThinkBra | rumpsy: It is in / |
| 03:10.20 | Hydroxide | l3x: I suggested icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 03:10.35 | rumpsy | hmm... |
| 03:10.43 | Hydroxide | qiyong: yeah, many/most work with selecting the laptop type in kde settings :) |
| 03:10.50 | macrobat | rumpsy: maybe "which apache" |
| 03:10.51 | IBM_ThinkBra | rumpsy: /etc/apache/, /usr/bin |
| 03:11.06 | PovAddict | rumpsy: is it looking for apxs? |
| 03:11.09 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: if you want to patch the source to support parallel building, here's the relevant chunk of debian policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options |
| 03:11.11 | rumpsy | wait i give that location for installation of perl module |
| 03:11.13 | IBM_ThinkBra | find / -name grep -i madonna |
| 03:11.18 | IBM_ThinkBra | *apache |
| 03:11.18 | macrobat | nvm, its asking for source |
| 03:11.26 | l3x | Hydroxide, would it be under development? |
| 03:11.41 | rumpsy | macrobat: Can you tell me ? |
| 03:12.00 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: and you might be interested in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (==OFTC not Freenode) and debian-mentors@lists.debian.org... you seem to want to get into contributing, which is great |
| 03:12.00 | PovAddict | rumpsy: is it looking for "apxs" and development headers? |
| 03:12.08 | qiyong | IBM_ThinkBra: willing you choose x200/x300 next time? Hydroxide |
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| 03:12.29 | Hydroxide | qiyong: dunno. I bought my laptop this year so I'll see what's available when I want my next one. |
| 03:12.33 | IBM_ThinkBra | No, I'm upgrading to an X61 when I can. |
| 03:12.33 | rumpsy | look this what its asking for: Please tell me where I can find your apache src |
| 03:12.35 | rumpsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.39 | PovAddict | Hydroxide: I'm "upgrading" from Kubuntu 8.04 |
| 03:12.47 | macrobat | im not using perl or apache |
| 03:12.52 | qiyong | Hydroxide: x61 still on sale? |
| 03:12.56 | PovAddict | rumpsy: what are you trying to install? |
| 03:13.04 | rumpsy | CPAN |
| 03:13.08 | qiyong | Hydroxide: how much is the mem and the cpu and disk? |
| 03:13.26 | rumpsy | Please tell me where I can find your apache src [../apache_x.x/src] |
| 03:13.28 | PovAddict | I thought CPAN was a repository of packages, not a package |
| 03:13.29 | MargaretThatcher | muhahahaha, conservatives are fols. |
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| 03:13.40 | Hydroxide | qiyong: I upgraded the memory and cpu separately for $150. I have 4GB RAM and 500GB HD |
| 03:13.45 | Hydroxide | qiyong: core 2 duo cpu of some kind |
| 03:13.52 | rumpsy | ya.. right.. it has bundle of packages |
| 03:14.07 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: x200/x300 no longer as good as x41/x61? |
| 03:14.11 | rumpsy | i'm installing everything in it |
| 03:14.23 | PovAddict | well the answer to "where I can find your apache src" is "nowhere" |
| 03:14.33 | MargaretThatcher | qiyong: Well, I have never used an x200/x300, so I wouldn't know. |
| 03:14.37 | rumpsy | o_O |
| 03:14.42 | Hydroxide | rumpsy: you might want apache2-src |
| 03:14.53 | rumpsy | oh.. |
| 03:15.07 | MargaretThatcher | Hydroxide: Would you upgrade a Thinkpad X41 ablet with 1.6 GHz Pentium M and 2 GB RAM? |
| 03:15.09 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: Hydroxide or you guys prefer the old screen |
| 03:15.23 | Hydroxide | rumpsy: or apache2-threaded-dev for building apache modules - includes an apxs2 binary |
| 03:15.35 | MargaretThatcher | Well, I'd like a tablet that is lighter. |
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| 03:15.35 | Hydroxide | rumpsy: that's probably what you want |
| 03:15.56 | Hydroxide | qiyong: I got the multiview/multitouch (read: resistive touch) screen, it being a tablet |
| 03:15.56 | rumpsy | hmm i try that.. |
| 03:16.06 | MargaretThatcher | The most important feature for a tablet besides battery life is lightness. |
| 03:16.09 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: you use tablet for drawing? CG stuff? |
| 03:16.22 | MargaretThatcher | qiyong: Writing notes in class and in business. |
| 03:16.34 | MargaretThatcher | And watching Madonna videos. :D |
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| 03:17.01 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: i wonder if it's suitable for drawing, as wacom |
| 03:17.04 | MargaretThatcher | My tablet is great for mounting my Samba share, z:\madonnaporn |
| 03:17.20 | MargaretThatcher | qiyong: It is a wacom device. |
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| 03:17.38 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: Hydroxide you both are using a tablet so |
| 03:17.39 | Juzzy | anyone ever created vmware tools .deb? |
| 03:17.54 | MargaretThatcher | I guess it would depend on whether you liked looking at where you are drawing or using a setup that has the screen separate. |
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| 03:18.08 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: how many is the pen pressures? i planed to buy a wacom once |
| 03:18.29 | MargaretThatcher | I haven't paid attention to the sensitivity, but it is adquate. |
| 03:18.38 | MargaretThatcher | adequate* |
| 03:18.46 | rumpsy | i given "/usr/lib/apache2/" |
| 03:18.54 | qiyong | MargaretThatcher: i want to looking at where i'm darwing, not the separted |
| 03:19.05 | PovAddict | Hydroxide: I guess the problem is that dh doesn't support telling cmake about job numbers |
| 03:19.06 | rumpsy | it went through install |
| 03:19.11 | MargaretThatcher | I have only drwan quick sketches like wiring circuit diagrams, qiyong . |
| 03:19.26 | PovAddict | Hydroxide: but debhelper is Perl, so I can't add that feature myself :) |
| 03:19.41 | MargaretThatcher | But tablets are great for watching Madonna videos. :D |
| 03:19.43 | rumpsy | "Party in the USA" miley cyrus .... ho ho ho |
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| 03:19.56 | MargaretThatcher | rumpsy: Imposter. |
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| 03:20.26 | rumpsy | not enjoying party |
| 03:20.57 | MargaretThatcher | plays Madonna - Erotica and Madonna - Like a Virgin.flac |
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| 03:21.30 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: you'd be surprised |
| 03:21.38 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: it's quite extensible. |
| 03:21.57 | PovAddict | but I wouldn't know how to write hello world in perl |
| 03:21.59 | Hydroxide | PovAddict: but this is getting off-topic for #debian - we can go to /msg |
| 03:22.11 | MargaretThatcher | Hydroxide: People who can't program in C, program in perl. |
| 03:22.33 | Hydroxide | MargaretThatcher: I can program in both and have been working on a nice perl program lately. right tool for the right job :) |
| 03:22.47 | MargaretThatcher | Yeah, that's true. :) |
| 03:22.59 | rumpsy | yes |
| 03:23.03 | MargaretThatcher | Perl is good if you're not smart enough to learn PHP. |
| 03:23.09 | MargaretThatcher | j/k |
| 03:23.22 | Hydroxide | groans in MargaretThatcher's general direction |
| 03:23.30 | rumpsy | Any one know today's mokka? |
| 03:23.43 | MargaretThatcher | puts on cone bra and plays Madonna - Like a Prayer |
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| 03:24.07 | MargaretThatcher | rumpsy: Rosh Hashana |
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| 03:25.57 | MargaretThatcher | Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri. In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year. |
| 03:26.12 | adb | MargaretThatcher, keep on topic please |
| 03:26.16 | MargaretThatcher | Welcome to #theology |
| 03:26.23 | MargaretThatcher | Okay. |
| 03:26.38 | l3x | Hydroxide, too many dep :( |
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| 03:28.39 | Hydroxide | l3x: I'd recommend fixing your wireless first. |
| 03:29.00 | rumpsy | Where is mokka? |
| 03:29.12 | l3x | Hydroxide, its working fine, i just can't get through clean access |
| 03:29.21 | l3x | Hydroxide, do you know what that is? |
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| 03:30.56 | rumpsy | mokka |
| 03:31.34 | Hydroxide | l3x: no, probably something specific to whatever your network administrators have put in place to control access |
| 03:31.40 | MargaretThatcher | MOKKA IS A MAN THAT DOESN'T WASH, also known as Richard M. Stallmen. |
| 03:32.27 | nsadmin | MargaretThatcher: bot? |
| 03:32.44 | MargaretThatcher | Nope. |
| 03:32.52 | MargaretThatcher | I turned it off. |
| 03:32.56 | MargaretThatcher | Just now. |
| 03:32.58 | jpinx-eeepc | MargaretThatcher: troll? |
| 03:33.08 | nsadmin | oh, ok, good job |
| 03:33.21 | MargaretThatcher | Yeah, I write leet bots in C. =) |
| 03:33.25 | l3x | Hydroxide, yea clean access won't allow me to have ne activity. i open the browser and it says that i need to install java so that the applet may install, however clean access doesn't understand linux so it keeps redirecting me to download java |
| 03:33.35 | MargaretThatcher | #include <madonna.h> |
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| 03:36.07 | Hydroxide | l3x: ah |
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| 03:37.36 | l3x | Hydroxide, any ideas i tried this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3091091.0 but still no go |
| 03:37.36 | MargaretThatcher | Most people here are really using Debian for FreeBSD. |
| 03:38.03 | Hydroxide | l3x: I'd suggest you hook your computer up to some other network to download java |
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| 03:38.28 | l3x | Hydroxide, the icedtea you recommend? |
| 03:40.46 | Hydroxide | l3x: for example, yes. it's still not guaranteed to solve your problem - you might want to get in touch with linux users at your site |
| 03:40.49 | Hydroxide | l3x: they might have advice |
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| 03:43.14 | l3x | Hydroxide, damn, i goto school at Prairie View A&M :( |
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| 03:45.06 | Hydroxide | l3x: try things and share with your schoolmates :) |
| 03:45.42 | l3x | Hydroxide, lol, well thank you for your time have a goodnight |
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| 03:47.01 | sway | o.o |
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| 03:50.35 | asri | question: installed debian a few moments ago although dhcp autoconfigured |
| 03:51.04 | asri | wanting to statically set ip address will this cause failure |
| 03:51.52 | nsadmin | failure to do what? |
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| 03:52.28 | asri | after configuring static ip should i expect problems |
| 03:53.18 | nsadmin | are you inside your own lan? |
| 03:53.24 | asri | ten four |
| 03:53.38 | nsadmin | fourteen! |
| 03:53.48 | asri | twenty eight |
| 03:54.24 | asri | special character not allow here i take it |
| 03:54.49 | nsadmin | what is your gateway? do you have more than one machine inside? can you join here from a different machine? |
| 03:54.50 | PovAddict | is numlock on? ::) |
| 03:55.07 | asri | i could try on debian machine |
| 03:55.16 | asri | can i look for irc availablity there |
| 03:55.34 | nsadmin | well wait, what machine are you ircing from now? |
| 03:55.35 | asri | as on network gateway operational as dhcp |
| 03:55.46 | asri | xp homegrown |
| 03:56.05 | nsadmin | ok, and which machine do you want the static ip for? |
| 03:56.24 | asri | i will set static in router to allow connection |
| 03:56.39 | asri | although i first as you mention would like irc available from debian machine |
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| 03:57.20 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 03:57.35 | nsadmin | you can apt-get install bitchx or irssi (to name a pair of text console-based clients) |
| 03:57.38 | asri | command atp get irc |
| 03:57.41 | asri | huh |
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| 03:58.22 | asri | gnobe as presentational model |
| 03:58.26 | asri | gnome |
| 03:58.48 | nsadmin | oh, so do you want a non-console client? I guess xchat |
| 03:59.18 | asri | xchat is as using now as on xp |
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| 03:59.29 | _Trinity_ | say, what's the difference between libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss? Aren't they the same ? There's a howto that suggests installing both |
| 03:59.31 | asri | will seek availablity on debian and return |
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| 03:59.46 | nsadmin | so which machine will get the static ip? |
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| 04:00.09 | PovAddict | I installed irssi and screen after installing debian |
| 04:00.21 | PovAddict | and started ircing |
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| 04:00.35 | PovAddict | then I installed X and KDE, and reattached screen in a konsole :) |
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| 04:01.02 | PovAddict | and installed nvidia driver, which involved X restart |
| 04:01.08 | PovAddict | all without disconnecting from IRC |
| 04:01.11 | PovAddict | screen rocks |
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| 04:04.55 | asri | frustrated attempting xchat although patient |
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| 04:06.12 | asri | will seek proper search of gnome interface |
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| 04:08.35 | luser | where can i get a list of supported hw? i have a new mobo and when i try to boot a usb debian install it doesnt show anything, i assume my onboad gf8300 isnt supported |
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| 04:09.47 | nsadmin | asri: fire up a terminal and type xchat |
| 04:09.58 | luser | shouldnt i atleast get textmode VGA? |
| 04:10.23 | anj | hi to all,i have i386 system want to compile packages for amd64.can anyone tell how to do crosscompile and get debianised packages |
| 04:11.00 | scott_c | what makes the system decide whether to put something in ram or the swap? I've got 3gb of free memory but it still puts some stuff in the swap |
| 04:11.53 | PovAddict | scott_c: if you really care... try this: sudo swapoff -a; sudo swapon -a; |
| 04:11.56 | nick[0] | I'm using openbox as my WM (moderately old laptop), but would really like to start using a full-text desktop search engine that actually works. A long time ago I found that beagle was too resource-hungry; tracker has never proved to be very accurate nor helpful for me (but it's been a while since I've looked at it); I haven't tried Strigi yet. Has anyone had "This is AWESOME" type success with any full-text desktop search engine? |
| 04:12.01 | PovAddict | scott_c: preferably while watching 'top' in another shell :) |
| 04:12.12 | nick[0] | scott_c: echo -n 50 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 04:12.29 | nick[0] | scott_c: google /proc/sys/vm/swappiness to find what that value represents |
| 04:12.35 | PovAddict | nick[0]: I did with Google Desktop, and then they promptly bloated it |
| 04:12.52 | anj | i want to compile packages for ARM ,amd from i386 can anyone tell how to? |
| 04:13.11 | nick[0] | scott_c: and put the resulting command in your /etc/rc.local, and your resume from S3/S5 script if it's on a laptop |
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| 04:14.52 | nick[0] | PovAddict: Yeah, I know what you mean. It was Google Desktop that made this desirable for me. Hmm. Have you tried a recent Strigi? (from testing or sid, perhaps) |
| 04:15.09 | nick[0] | PovAddict: 'shame about the bloat |
| 04:15.14 | PovAddict | nick[0]: I installed Debian today |
| 04:15.25 | PovAddict | nick[0]: I had Kubuntu 8.04 before :P |
| 04:16.05 | PovAddict | I don't have many "documents" on my system |
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| 04:16.14 | PovAddict | (well currently I don't have much data at all) |
| 04:16.37 | PovAddict | I need a desktop search system that can find text in webpages I have seen |
| 04:16.43 | PovAddict | and IRC logs |
| 04:17.42 | luser | are there any grub command line arguments i can specify to force the most compatible video mode (text only vga?) |
| 04:17.43 | nick[0] | PovAddict: :-) congratulations. 'hope you enjoy Debian. (I'm a bit odd in that I ended up using Ubuntu after many others, mostly so that I could answer tech-support questions from friends) |
| 04:18.21 | nick[0] | PovAddict: if you auto-save your IRC logs as plain-text files, than any search engine will do (I'm 100% possitive that this is possible with any good IRC client) |
| 04:18.54 | PovAddict | I do |
| 04:19.06 | PovAddict | and I actually do search logs with grep |
| 04:19.07 | PovAddict | or less |
| 04:19.16 | MadonnaRules | nick[0]: webchat.freenode.net, the lowest common denominator IRC client for retards, doesn't. |
| 04:19.36 | nick[0] | PovAddict: the webpage cache will be trickier...I imagine that you could set up a squid proxy to function in this way |
| 04:20.04 | nick[0] | MadonnaRules: hey, I specified "good" IRC client! ;-) |
| 04:20.07 | teekay_ | hi |
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| 04:20.36 | PovAddict | ideally I'd like something that can create a search index from the contents of my brain |
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| 04:21.04 | PovAddict | but lacking that... |
| 04:21.08 | nick[0] | PovAddict: and a symbolic link from that squid cache to your home directory, and it just might auto-index |
| 04:21.40 | PovAddict | well I think I should install squid either way |
| 04:22.18 | PovAddict | when my intertubes get clogged (ISP trouble) is when I notice that Konqueror cache kept only the useless bits |
| 04:22.19 | teekay_ | I'll soon find out |
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| 04:23.16 | MadonnaRules | PovAddict: Or you could just stop having to wait until your neighbor gets home to use his wireless and just buy your own. |
| 04:23.52 | nick[0] | PovAddict: if you don't mind "updating the index" every six months, this is basically what the practice of maintaining a portfolio does (I have thousands of date-stamped fragments of writing that I regularly polish into publishable stuff, and without both physical and file-system folders to organise these, I'd be completely lost...but at this point, there are too many, and it'd be nice to have a desktop search engine :-) |
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| 04:24.21 | PovAddict | nick[0]: the "index my brain" was about things I read, not content I produce :) |
| 04:24.34 | PovAddict | nick[0]: "I remember having read about X but I can't remember where I saw it!" |
| 04:24.53 | PovAddict | MadonnaRules: I have 3mbit cablemodem |
| 04:25.04 | PovAddict | MadonnaRules: and it wouldn't surprise me if my neighbor is using *my* wireless |
| 04:25.13 | MadonnaRules | PovAddict: Oh, I see. |
| 04:25.24 | nick[0] | PovAddict: ooh! Yeah, that's tricky :-) |
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| 04:27.09 | TrumanAdministra | Stupid delimiter. |
| 04:27.22 | PovAddict | everything has a limit |
| 04:28.07 | PovAddict | nick[0]: I do have things I should "brain-dump" eventually |
| 04:28.08 | luser | does anyone have an AM3 motherboard with onboard geforce? |
| 04:28.15 | RoshHashanah | This is a good fallback. |
| 04:28.27 | PovAddict | but I got into a long dependency chain last time |
| 04:29.16 | PovAddict | I thought about installing a local mediawiki, but I couldn't just get it from apt, it'd be quite an old version (since I was on Ubuntu 8.04) |
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| 04:30.11 | PovAddict | and there was a long chain of "but before doing X I should do Y" |
| 04:30.19 | RoshHashanah | PovAddict: I recommend you buy The Internet on DVD at your local Target. |
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| 04:30.35 | PovAddict | I'm now on a modern Debian so that chain may have got shorter |
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| 04:30.43 | nick[0] | PovAddict: I know a guy who uses DragonSpeak in wine to do regular "brain-dumps" It's not a perfect system, but it seems to work for him (and the resulting text files are indexable!) |
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| 04:31.13 | RoshHashanah | nick[0]: Is he illiterate white trash? |
| 04:31.24 | PovAddict | typing speed is not really a problem :) |
| 04:31.39 | RoshHashanah | No, us literate people can type pretty fast. |
| 04:31.41 | PovAddict | although I should try dvorak before I develop CTS |
| 04:31.43 | nick[0] | RoshHashanah: do you have a coupon for The Internet on DVD? I can't afford to pay for three library of Congresses |
| 04:32.25 | RoshHashanah | nick[0]: The Internet on DVD is a monthly subscription where you get 16 DVDs a month. |
| 04:32.48 | PovAddict | nick[0]: http://blogs.ozu.es/blogfiles/zapping/downloadInternet.gif |
| 04:32.50 | _Trinity_ | anyone recommend pulseaudio on Lenny? |
| 04:32.58 | nick[0] | RoshHashanah: no, he speaks faster than he types, and he's in his late 50's, so...you you...carpal tunnel and stuff |
| 04:33.02 | RoshHashanah | You run internetondvd.exe and you get an emulated network device. |
| 04:33.29 | PovAddict | nick[0]: I'm 18, I have plenty of time to get carpal tunnel |
| 04:33.32 | RoshHashanah | nick[0]: Oh, okay. I unerstand. |
| 04:34.16 | RoshHashanah | PovAddict: You should be focused on women. |
| 04:34.48 | PovAddict | I have enough problems already |
| 04:34.49 | RoshHashanah | Being eighteen is about sneaking into bars underage and getting prostitutes to go out with you. |
| 04:36.41 | nick[0] | PovAddict: well then, type away my friend. I don't have it on this system, but I have a little script that opens up plaintext date_time.txt (file extension optional, of course) with my favourite editor; I hit the keyboard shortcut, type whatever's on my mind, close with a keyboard shortcut, forget. It all goes to ~/notebook/ I ought to make it more granular, month by month or something... ~/notebook/october ~/notebook/november etc. |
| 04:36.57 | PovAddict | that sounds useful |
| 04:37.26 | RoshHashanah | So definitely start going to bars to look for men or women. |
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| 04:37.46 | RoshHashanah | Being gay is even better. |
| 04:37.52 | kolby | /help |
| 04:38.29 | RoshHashanah | Women dig guys that fix their computers. |
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| 04:40.06 | kolby | good... good... |
| 04:40.26 | nick[0] | RoshHashanah: not sure if you're joking, but I did know once know a women (who considered most computer work "nerdy") who was attracted to the intense look of focus which *some* guys have while solving computer problems; it was probably more about focus and determination than anything else, I think. |
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| 04:40.56 | SONICTROLL | Hmm. |
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| 04:41.05 | nick[0] | RoshHashanah: 'just a different expression for stereotypically "masculine" traits |
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| 04:41.19 | nick[0] | s/expression for/expression of/ |
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| 04:41.43 | SONICTROLL | Always bring protection when women ask you to fix their PCs. Especially if they have boyfriends. |
| 04:41.56 | PovAddict | SONICTROLL: this would be me at a bar: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1463 |
| 04:42.15 | N3tw0rK | is ia64 only for itanuim? or can i use it on the new xeon nehalems? |
| 04:42.15 | wt | Is there a way to configure the kerneloops daemon to file bugs with debian instead of submitting to kerneloops.org. |
| 04:42.17 | wt | ? |
| 04:42.26 | SONICTROLL | Sexual favors from women with boyfriends is fun, as long as you are sneaky. ;) |
| 04:42.37 | PovAddict | N3tw0rK: there are new ia64s? |
| 04:43.13 | N3tw0rK | PovAddict: i have no idea, just trying to figure out which 64bit iso i need for my new nehalem xeons |
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| 04:43.42 | \amethyst | N3tw0rK: 64-bit xeon would be amd64; ia64 is as you say itanium-only |
| 04:43.46 | nick[0] | N3tw0rK: afaik, Intel's EMT64 extensions are licensed AMD64 ones |
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| 04:44.24 | N3tw0rK | thanks, i have a bladecenter H that is waiting to be tained with windows software that im setting up a cluster on until its commions date |
| 04:45.06 | SONICTROLL | brb, some gay guys are coming over for help with their PCs. |
| 04:45.19 | PovAddict | SONICTROLL: TMI |
| 04:45.51 | SONICTROLL | PovAddict: Homosexuality is the new cool. |
| 04:46.08 | nick[0] | well I've got to go get to work |
| 04:46.32 | wt | SONICTROLL: why does that comment belong in a Debian chat room? |
| 04:46.38 | N3tw0rK | ya i heard gay is the new straight |
| 04:47.17 | SONICTROLL | wt: I didn't know we had to stay ontopic here. |
| 04:47.40 | SONICTROLL | I thought the policy was that you can be offtopic a bit when the channel is quiet. |
| 04:47.41 | PovAddict | SONICTROLL: read freenode policy |
| 04:47.51 | wt | I just thought we might want to steer clear of sexist. |
| 04:48.11 | liable | generally you can, as long as you arent being offensive to others. |
| 04:48.14 | PovAddict | you can be offtopic a bit when the channel is quiet, but I believe sexual orientation is network-offtopic |
| 04:48.15 | SONICTROLL | Sure, but no one is being sexist. |
| 04:48.44 | SONICTROLL | is a gay activist. :) |
| 04:48.48 | adb | SONICTROLL, keep on topic |
| 04:48.54 | SONICTROLL | Okay. |
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| 04:49.04 | wt | SONICTROLL: you made an incredibly sexist comment before, "Sexual favors from women with boyfriends is fun, as long as you are sneaky. ;)" |
| 04:49.07 | nsadmin | if two were not sexist, we would not exist |
| 04:49.28 | SONICTROLL | wt: Maybe sexist against men |
| 04:49.44 | \amethyst | SONICTROLL: talking about your strategies with the opposite sex in public makes some people uncomfortable |
| 04:49.49 | wt | It's no wonder why women don't feel welcome in our community. |
| 04:49.52 | SONICTROLL | Okay. |
| 04:49.56 | \amethyst | SONICTROLL: it's not necessarily that you're belittling anyone |
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| 04:50.02 | N3tw0rK | welcome to the "United States of the Offended" |
| 04:50.07 | SONICTROLL | wt: As a pro-feminist, I completely agree with your sentiment. |
| 04:50.08 | liable | it wasn't that bad.. |
| 04:50.11 | \amethyst | SONICTROLL: though some people might interpret it that way |
| 04:50.17 | PovAddict | is "neutral": gays shouldn't be discriminated, but homosexuality shouldn't be "promoted" either |
| 04:50.43 | wt | I asked my wife if there was any problem with that statement before I commented on it. |
| 04:50.47 | SONICTROLL | wt is right, that comment was wrong. |
| 04:50.53 | SONICTROLL | Sorry. |
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| 04:51.17 | wt | Thanks. That's more mature than a lot of folks I've seen on here. :) |
| 04:51.18 | PovAddict | wt: good idea |
| 04:51.38 | SONICTROLL | I have about seventeen books on the feminist movement, so I'm surprised I said that. |
| 04:51.58 | PovAddict | thinks part of the advantages of using debian instead of ubuntu is being in #debian instead of #ubuntu |
| 04:52.20 | SONICTROLL | Ubuntu has a cool name, though. |
| 04:52.25 | PovAddict | lol |
| 04:52.29 | wt | I've found good people in both channels. |
| 04:52.47 | PovAddict | I'm not talking about maturity |
| 04:52.50 | PovAddict | right now |
| 04:52.57 | adb | !ot |
| 04:52.58 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:53.36 | liable | now whats parts and joins scroll by.. :P |
| 04:53.43 | liable | s/whats/watch/ |
| 04:53.56 | kolby | how do you use dput? |
| 04:54.24 | liable | write its config file, then use it to upload.. |
| 04:54.30 | PovAddict | in my experience #ubuntu was usually a noob-nest, and with almost nobody answering questions |
| 04:54.53 | wt | #debian feels like that most of the time, too |
| 04:54.55 | SONICTROLL | I'm going to go hang up my new Madonna posters. :) |
| 04:55.31 | SONICTROLL | #debian is pretty good. I learned about unetbootin here. :) |
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| 04:56.14 | anthea | hello i am on a debian lenny (stable i think) and i want to install W3AF package do you know how i can |
| 04:56.36 | anthea | w3af is on testing repositery |
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| 04:57.22 | anthea | here the package needed for a lenny distrib: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=w3af |
| 04:57.56 | wt | what is w3af? |
| 04:57.58 | anthea | do you know how can i get it from debian lenny distrib plz |
| 04:58.13 | kolby | liable, I have problems with it on launchpad. |
| 04:58.37 | anthea | wt, it s a webapplication tester |
| 04:58.38 | wt | you it's in the testing repository, you will have to upgrade to testing or unstable to get it |
| 04:58.44 | wt | or you could look for backports |
| 04:58.52 | wt | but backports are somewhat unreliable |
| 04:59.01 | anthea | wt, how can i upgrade to testing? |
| 04:59.09 | liable | kolby: hmm, best ask the ubuntu people then. or does debian have launchpad now? |
| 04:59.36 | wt | edit your /etc/apt/source.list and change "lenny" or "stable" to "testing" |
| 04:59.55 | wt | then "aptitude update" and "aptitude full-upgrade --purge-unused" |
| 04:59.55 | anthea | humm ok |
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| 05:00.05 | liable | erm, not good advice without first seeing if its backported, or can be |
| 05:00.12 | kolby | id have to ask lp admins. |
| 05:00.14 | anthea | wt, thank you; it s a recommended operation? |
| 05:00.18 | wt | it will mean updating a lot of packages and it can be somewhat less stable than stable |
| 05:00.30 | wt | also, security updates don't come as quickly to testing |
| 05:00.39 | anthea | arf |
| 05:00.41 | wt | so I wouldn't run it on a publically accessible server |
| 05:00.57 | anthea | wt, ok then it s not a good idea |
| 05:01.27 | wt | anthea: I've run unstable on public servers, but only ones that I didn't care if I would have to rebuild |
| 05:01.53 | wt | unstable will generally get security updates faster, but can also be subject to really heinous bugs |
| 05:02.02 | wt | like the time my pam library got screwed |
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| 05:03.05 | wt | testing and unstable should be used for testing and experimentation |
| 05:03.28 | wt | testing is good if you're interested in submitting bug reports to improve the next stable version |
| 05:04.43 | wt | anthea: info on testing security infrastructure can be seen here: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 05:05.00 | anthea | wt, downgrade is possible after an upgrade? |
| 05:05.02 | anthea | ? |
| 05:05.12 | wt | anthea: not really |
| 05:05.28 | wt | technically it's possible, but you'd have to do it manually |
| 05:05.34 | anthea | wt, i am on an eeepc and a lot of repo are not found |
| 05:05.37 | wt | and it's certainly not tested |
| 05:05.49 | anthea | W: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/testing-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 05:05.58 | anthea | Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/testing-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 05:06.07 | anthea | W: Failed to fetch http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 05:06.12 | anthea | it s just some sample |
| 05:07.07 | wt | what did you add to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:07.27 | anthea | wt, i change all lenny words by testing |
| 05:07.40 | anthea | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile testing/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 05:07.46 | anthea | for example |
| 05:07.56 | tntc | couldn't you just use the stock repos, and not the eeepc ones? |
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| 05:08.16 | wt | actually, that project doesn't have a testing branch |
| 05:08.22 | anthea | lol ok |
| 05:08.25 | wt | you'd have to use sid (unstable) |
| 05:08.54 | Supertanker | I am so happy with Debian on my laptop :D |
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| 05:09.00 | wt | they do have an explicit "squeeze" branch, which is probably testing |
| 05:09.07 | Supertanker | Debian + XFCE + unfortunately proprietory WL driver for wireless. |
| 05:09.10 | Supertanker | Gread job Debian team! |
| 05:09.12 | Supertanker | Great* |
| 05:09.21 | wt | they don't have a link from "testing" to it though |
| 05:09.51 | wt | they don't actually have the moving target names (stable, testing, and unstable) |
| 05:09.58 | wt | you have to use the names of the releases |
| 05:10.14 | wt | so you'd use squeeze if you want what is testing |
| 05:10.17 | wt | sid is unstable |
| 05:10.23 | anthea | wt, humm i don t want to break my debian my os |
| 05:10.26 | wt | http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/dists/ |
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| 05:10.36 | anthea | wt, i think i will stay with my lenny |
| 05:10.42 | tntc | Supertanker: wut? |
| 05:10.44 | wt | anthea: if you want to be bleeding edge, you might break things |
| 05:10.53 | wt | anthea: but it also makes you get better at fixing things |
| 05:10.55 | wt | :) |
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| 05:11.16 | anthea | wt, lol i love it, but i have no time for this in the few days coming |
| 05:11.17 | macrobat | no need for volatile testing and backports testing. there is none of those anyway :) |
| 05:11.21 | wt | anthea: truth be told, even unstable doesn't break that often |
| 05:11.28 | Supertanker | tntc, just really happy atm |
| 05:11.34 | wt | anthea: good luck, then :) |
| 05:11.49 | anthea | wt, thank you for your help |
| 05:11.52 | tntc | anthea: honestly, I find debian sid more stable than other distros' "stable" release. |
| 05:12.01 | tntc | well, some other distros. |
| 05:12.11 | tntc | Supertanker: got your system up and running? |
| 05:13.01 | Supertanker | tntc, yep :) |
| 05:13.08 | Supertanker | Just waitint to go to town to test the network dri er |
| 05:13.13 | Supertanker | driver* |
| 05:13.39 | anthea | tntc, humm i have to try then, but it s my professionnal latop |
| 05:13.56 | tntc | your professional laptop? |
| 05:14.12 | anthea | tntc, exciting thing, but too dangerous for me, morning in about 5 hours too short for me |
| 05:14.31 | wt | anthea: most of the time unstable is ok, but when it's not, it's really bad |
| 05:14.44 | anthea | tntc, heuu it s not my personnal laptop i mean, i need it for work this night |
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| 05:15.18 | anthea | and w3af package is just avaible on testing and unstable... |
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| 05:17.30 | anthea | but i am thinking on a good competition for sys admin, breaking your debian distrib and try to repair it |
| 05:17.32 | anthea | :) |
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| 05:18.17 | tntc | anthea: LFS (Linux from scratch) install :) |
| 05:18.24 | Supertanker | Hahahaha |
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| 05:19.58 | anthea | tntc, yes i know this dangerous hobby, a friend was near to death after a 3 days non stop LFSing |
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| 05:21.21 | tntc | anthea: gentoo is a close second, if only because it PRETENDS to be easier :) |
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| 05:21.56 | anthea | thanks you guys may be later need to work more |
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| 05:27.03 | SONICTROLL | It's a proven fact that if you eliminate all the people from flights and only fly them over completely unpopulated areas, we'll never have another air fatality again! We must do this now! Not just because we can, but because we are fucking morons. |
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| 05:30.12 | mase_wk | SONICTROLL: what about the pilots? =) |
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| 05:30.41 | SONICTROLL | mase_wk: Pilots never die. |
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| 05:31.03 | mase_wk | they would if the plane crashed. |
| 05:31.06 | wt | except when they decide to stare at a laptop for over an hour and not pay attention to their job |
| 05:31.09 | mase_wk | well they could |
| 05:31.16 | mase_wk | wt: touche |
| 05:31.40 | wt | I think something funky was going on with those pilots |
| 05:32.16 | liable | i'd say definately asleep. you just dont vague out like that when flying. not for an hour |
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| 05:32.22 | SONICTROLL | Maybe in ten years when their union is dead, flying aircraft will be the new fast food job. |
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| 05:32.48 | _Trinity_ | can someone recomend a u to date article on setting up sound on debian |
| 05:32.53 | SONICTROLL | "Just got out of jail, I think I'll apply for a minimum wage job at Delta as a pilot." |
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| 05:35.19 | SONICTROLL | And the job ads... "IF YOU CAN CHAT ON FACEBOOK, YOU TOO CAN BE A PILOT." |
| 05:36.13 | SONICTROLL | Of course, you'll have to have a good credit score. |
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| 05:36.41 | SONICTROLL | A credit score is the universal metric for the suitability of any given candidate for a given position. |
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| 05:37.04 | wt | I don't have a credit score. |
| 05:37.08 | wt | What does that mean for me? |
| 05:37.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | your fucked :p |
| 05:37.20 | SONICTROLL | Well, a lot of employers won't hure you then. |
| 05:37.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | really? |
| 05:37.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | where the hell do you live? >.> |
| 05:38.04 | SONICTROLL | Yeah, lots of employers, especially ones that pay poorly, want a good credit score. |
| 05:38.27 | SONICTROLL | And good luck getting an apartment in NYC with bad credit. :P |
| 05:38.29 | wt | that's ok; I am really happy with my current employer |
| 05:38.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'll admit I've not been asked for a credit rating... but i don't live in the land of the 'free' |
| 05:39.02 | wt | I don't have bad credit |
| 05:39.07 | wt | I have no credit |
| 05:39.23 | wt | there is a difference |
| 05:39.23 | SONICTROLL | wt: Which is almost as bad when you're looking for an apartment. |
| 05:39.54 | SONICTROLL | Yes, there is. Unfortunately, the distinction is not always appreciated as mch as it ought to be. |
| 05:40.05 | wt | FICO scores are really lame, actually. |
| 05:40.47 | SONICTROLL | Agreed. But as a former landlord, I'll tell you that most people with bad credit really are crooks and non-paying deadbeats. |
| 05:40.53 | wt | thankfully, I live in Sillicon Valley, I guess. |
| 05:41.09 | wt | I just pay my landlord a year at a time. |
| 05:41.16 | wt | and I am a former landlord as well |
| 05:41.22 | dub | whats the correct way to use an .rpm in debian? |
| 05:41.22 | SONICTROLL | Hmm. |
| 05:41.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | dub: find the deb :P or use alien |
| 05:41.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | !rpm |
| 05:41.51 | dpkg | RPM is both the RPM Package Manager and the file format for its packages. alien can convert a .rpm package to a .deb. converts to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm Debian package). Note that alien doesn't do a very good job of converting the package, you should use a proper Debian package in preference to alien. Also ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>. |
| 05:41.57 | SONICTROLL | Geting an apartment in NYC is tough, but I found one. |
| 05:42.02 | SONICTROLL | *Getting |
| 05:42.02 | wt | dub: I'm not sure that question has an answer. |
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| 05:42.31 | wt | SONICTROLL: are you a high tech worker? |
| 05:43.00 | dub | I'll try alien |
| 05:43.00 | SONICTROLL | Well, it has been my job title so far, but I am bored with it. |
| 05:43.11 | wt | work for anyone interesting? |
| 05:43.20 | SONICTROLL | I'm 22, so I have time to switch careers. |
| 05:43.30 | SONICTROLL | Not right now; I'm between jobs. |
| 05:44.12 | SONICTROLL | And I'm from Maine, which has very few options for technology jobs. |
| 05:44.36 | wt | so you don't enjoy tech? |
| 05:44.46 | wt | what would you rather do? construction? |
| 05:44.50 | SONICTROLL | I do enjoy tech, but I am looking for something better. |
| 05:44.59 | wt | how good are you? |
| 05:45.10 | SONICTROLL | I'm considering a management career. |
| 05:45.13 | wt | and are you SA or SWE like |
| 05:45.18 | wt | ah |
| 05:45.37 | wt | what kind of management? project manager or people manager? |
| 05:45.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesn't think management is better then techy |
| 05:46.00 | SONICTROLL | I have a lot of interesting skills in computer programming and experience with Linux/*BSD/et al, but I wouldn't rate myself as exceptional. |
| 05:46.06 | wt | Kamping_Kaiser: depends on your point of view, I would think |
| 05:46.24 | SONICTROLL | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure either, I am really thinking about where to go with my career right now. |
| 05:46.28 | wt | SONICTROLL: do you have a degree? |
| 05:46.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | wt: yeah... My few exposures to management are the braindead type. |
| 05:46.36 | SONICTROLL | Absolutely not. |
| 05:46.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | SONICTROLL: I'm 23, so I sympathise :) |
| 05:47.09 | wt | SONICTROLL: that definitely makes things tougher, but I do know of some positions at my company that don't strictly require a degree |
| 05:47.15 | wt | and we have an office in NYC |
| 05:47.24 | SONICTROLL | I have no formal education beyond my politicla science major I am pursuing. |
| 05:47.25 | wt | but it's really hard to get hired |
| 05:47.41 | SONICTROLL | wt: Hmm. |
| 05:47.54 | wt | I know folks with many different backgrounds at my work. |
| 05:49.08 | SONICTROLL | The other reason I'm moving is because the university here in Maine has a very poor offering of programs. It was basically major in Microsoft Windows/Visual Basic crap, major in accounting, or major in ........political science. I chose political science. |
| 05:49.31 | wt | ah |
| 05:49.58 | SONICTROLL | It is at least interesting and I learned something, but I don't think it will translate into much of a career. |
| 05:50.20 | wt | that's too bad |
| 05:50.34 | SONICTROLL | It's better than wasting my time and money relearning what I already knwo, though. |
| 05:50.56 | SONICTROLL | So at this point I have to think about what I'm going to do now. |
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| 05:52.55 | SONICTROLL | Do you think IT is a shrinking job sector? |
| 05:53.28 | wt | not for the good folks |
| 05:53.52 | SONICTROLL | I could probably get a job programming in some popular language like Java or C sharp, but I'm not sure I want to do that long. |
| 05:54.23 | wt | any good at C++ or Java or Python? |
| 05:54.38 | wt | or do you not want to be a programmer? |
| 05:54.44 | SONICTROLL | II like to think I am good with C/C++ |
| 05:55.20 | SONICTROLL | I'm an entrepreneurial person, so I'm not sure it's a good fit. |
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| 05:55.56 | wt | that's a good trait where I work |
| 05:56.14 | tntc | SONICTROLL: on a side note, I'd check out python. Lots of big names use it, and it's a neat language. |
| 05:56.16 | wt | I worked other places that claim that's true, but it really is where I work. |
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| 05:56.57 | wt | tntc: and Guido is a pretty nice guy, to boot |
| 05:57.15 | SONICTROLL | I can always pay the bills with RentACoder freelance jobs. |
| 05:57.17 | tntc | Well, I have yet to find a mean Monty Python fan :) |
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| 05:58.14 | SONICTROLL | They need some new Monty Python. |
| 05:58.16 | wt | SONICTROLL: if you have any interest in getting in the system where I work, feel free to PM me |
| 05:58.23 | SONICTROLL | They should bring back John Cleese. |
| 05:58.40 | wt | He's still alive...just older. :) |
| 05:59.08 | wt | ha...today is his birthday |
| 05:59.12 | wt | he's 70 |
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| 05:59.38 | SONICTROLL | wt: I really need to think about my next move career wise before I do anything, but I appreciate the offer. What borough of NYC? |
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| 06:00.04 | wt | I'm sure the office is in Manhattan |
| 06:00.14 | SONICTROLL | Probably. |
| 06:00.25 | wt | I've never actually been there. |
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| 06:00.39 | wt | I know we have a couple floors of the building we are in. |
| 06:00.52 | SONICTROLL | Well, I've got a reference for a political job in NYC right now. |
| 06:01.07 | wt | ah |
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| 06:01.27 | SONICTROLL | I like politics a lot, but I'm not sure I like it more than programming. |
| 06:02.00 | wt | There's always the FSF. :) |
| 06:02.07 | SONICTROLL | Yeah. |
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| 06:02.24 | wt | They are good people. |
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| 06:03.12 | wt | a little crazy at times, but good none the less |
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| 06:04.00 | nike | Is there an ncurses-based program for dealing with which services start at my default runlevel? |
| 06:04.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, but the name escapes me *g* |
| 06:04.46 | nike | There's this utility in a lot of RPM-based distros called ntsysv I like |
| 06:04.48 | wt | nike: I don't know about ncurses, but there is always update-init.d |
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| 06:05.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | sysvconfig perhaps |
| 06:05.47 | hark | nike: sysv-rc-conf |
| 06:09.18 | wt | man, command-not-found should be installed by default :)...It's so helpful. |
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| 06:14.15 | wt | of course I can't seem to get it to work on debian |
| 06:14.17 | wt | :( |
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| 06:14.47 | wt | ah, needed to run update-command-not-found |
| 06:14.56 | wt | this is so manual :( |
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| 06:15.22 | SONICTROLL | wt: I responded to your PM. :) |
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| 06:22.48 | wt | even the example code to enable it in /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't work |
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| 06:26.25 | tntc | wt: which repo is it in? |
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| 06:40.06 | wt | tntc: sid |
| 06:40.17 | wt | I have a home server running sid. |
| 06:40.46 | wt | it's a Core i7 that I can cause kernel oops on reliably within an hour with only ssh and writing to disk |
| 06:40.53 | wt | I think it's a kernel bug |
| 06:42.41 | wt | I even took the time to capture the oops and file a bug on linux-2.6. :) |
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| 06:44.10 | wt | command-not-found is not in stable |
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| 06:48.37 | the-dude | wt: can you pastebin it ? |
| 06:48.59 | wt | pastebin the oops? |
| 06:49.41 | rabidweezle | sips some dr. pepper |
| 06:49.42 | wt | http://www.kerneloops.org/submitresult.php?number=849516 |
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| 07:11.32 | wt | how long does it take a bug submission to become a bug |
| 07:11.49 | wt | I sent one in a couple hours ago and havent seen any confirmation in email yet |
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| 07:13.39 | the-dude | wt: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 07:13.43 | wt | yep |
| 07:14.08 | the-dude | it is having some "issues" at the moment with high load so it takes a long time |
| 07:14.13 | wt | I sent the message in approximately 3.25 hours ago |
| 07:14.50 | wt | I really wish there was a web form to submit a bug. |
| 07:14.59 | liable | Topic for #debian-devel: FUCKED: BTS (> 120K spam backlog) |
| 07:15.17 | the-dude | so? :) I send a message on 10:37 am and it got confirmed at 4am this morning or so |
| 07:15.29 | wt | email submission is just not as convenient? |
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| 07:16.15 | wt | s/\?// |
| 07:16.52 | paipimenta | so... last night nsadmin posted the link http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ |
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| 07:17.09 | paipimenta | I'm about to download the first video... but will lenny come with DivX capabilities? |
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| 07:17.25 | paipimenta | or am I better off with the 3 times bigger mpg to save myself a headache? |
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| 07:18.18 | wt | DivX should stream, so just try to play it while it's downloading |
| 07:18.44 | wt | My guess is that the answer depends on the codecs used since Divx is just a container format |
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| 07:24.45 | amee2k | how can i just uninstall specific packages and not have all packakges depending on them removed as well? |
| 07:25.38 | nsadmin | paipimenta: hmm. the smaller one sometimes you can't see the code too well |
| 07:25.40 | wt | mark the packages to keep as nonauto |
| 07:26.01 | nsadmin | the book for the course is free too, |
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| 07:26.10 | nsadmin | get a scheme interp or some kind |
| 07:26.16 | amee2k | mmm i vaguely recall there being an option for apt-get toignore dependencies and do just what i mean and no more |
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| 07:26.37 | nsadmin | get a scheme interp OF some kind |
| 07:26.58 | amee2k | but i can't find it right now... |
| 07:27.30 | nsadmin | you can ignore suggests and recommends |
| 07:27.36 | nsadmin | you can't ignore depends |
| 07:27.41 | paipimenta | why is lambda on the cover? |
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| 07:27.54 | wt | nsadmin: he wants to keep autoinstalled packages |
| 07:27.56 | amee2k | urgh |
| 07:28.11 | wt | s/nsadmin/amee2k/ |
| 07:28.27 | amee2k | well, /all/ packakges that depend on the ones i want to remove. independently of how they were installed |
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| 07:28.33 | wt | You just need to mark the packages you want to keep as not auto-installed |
| 07:28.51 | wt | "aptitude unmarkauto blah" to mark blah an manually installed |
| 07:29.03 | wt | then you can remove the reverse depends without removing blah |
| 07:29.03 | nsadmin | paipimenta: lambda is the symbol used in lisp for a function that hasn't necessarily been bound to a name |
| 07:29.04 | amee2k | won't it remove manually installed packages too when i remove a depencency? |
| 07:29.41 | wt | you can do "dpkg --purge --force-depends blah" |
| 07:29.48 | wt | that's not really safe though |
| 07:29.52 | paipimenta | the Cognitive Lab course I took senior year used MATLAB instead of Lisp, I think for the first time in that course... thank GOD |
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| 07:30.07 | paipimenta | although it sure as hell ain't free, beer or speech |
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| 07:30.22 | wt | and I think "aptitude install" will reinstall the dependency |
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| 07:30.30 | nsadmin | paipimenta: but there is scilab |
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| 07:30.45 | wt | if you really just want to reinstall a dependency, try "aptitude reinstall blah" |
| 07:31.22 | amee2k | well, eventually reinstall, but with a purge and not a remove to uninstall |
| 07:32.26 | amee2k | get as rid of it as possible. including all documentation |
| 07:32.38 | amee2k | s/documentation/configuration/ |
| 07:32.38 | amee2k | lol |
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| 07:33.17 | wt | purge will get rid of the config |
| 07:33.43 | amee2k | yeah, but iirc reinstall uses remove, not purge |
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| 07:34.29 | wt | I think that's true |
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| 07:42.00 | nsadmin | so you want to have to reconfigure it possibly when you reinstall? |
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| 07:45.25 | wt | dang, I have more info for my kernel bug now, but I can't add it as it's not a bug yet |
| 07:45.26 | wt | :( |
| 07:45.52 | nsadmin | if it's not a bug, add it to a blog |
| 07:46.23 | wt | I have found that if I stall my ssh client for 10 seconds every 10 minutes, my server doesn't get into a general protection fault state |
| 07:47.11 | wt | maybe I'll just more to Ubuntu and see if it happens on that system....at least I can file on Launchpad from the web then. |
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| 07:47.15 | hanibana | hi al |
| 07:48.00 | wt | anywho, g'nite |
| 07:48.04 | nsadmin | wt: so this |
| 07:48.14 | wt | so this, what? |
| 07:48.16 | nsadmin | is happening on debian-supplied kernels? |
| 07:48.19 | wt | yes |
| 07:48.22 | hanibana | I've installed freeradius in lenny. I have some active session. Now, I want to retrieve some attributes from server. What pachet type should I send to it? |
| 07:48.51 | wt | linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 07:48.58 | nsadmin | I guess ubuntu is worth a try |
| 07:49.05 | wt | both have a slightly different manifestation |
| 07:49.12 | wt | nsadmin: did you see the kerneloops? |
| 07:49.31 | nsadmin | I did, I cna't make any sense of it... |
| 07:49.48 | nsadmin | I took a look at the stack trace too |
| 07:49.48 | wt | nsadmin: you are kernel dude? |
| 07:49.58 | nsadmin | not at all |
| 07:50.04 | wt | ah |
| 07:50.12 | nsadmin | but I did look at it |
| 07:50.39 | wt | well the stuff as the top is memory and registers, followed by a stack trace, followed by the sequence of instructions leading up to the crash |
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| 07:51.32 | RabidWeezle | Captain, we are being hailed by the romulans |
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| 07:51.35 | nsadmin | those instructions don;'t make sense |
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| 07:51.53 | nsadmin | especially the ones after |
| 07:51.57 | wt | they are x86-64 assembler, I would think |
| 07:52.16 | wt | I don't know what good assembler looks like |
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| 07:52.22 | wt | maybe a compiler bug then? |
| 07:52.28 | nsadmin | oh, so that ooops isn't looking at it right? |
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| 07:52.56 | nsadmin | the thing is there's no jump or return before that last thing |
| 07:52.58 | wt | Well, I think the oops is showing where the bug occurred |
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| 07:53.16 | wt | there should be a jump there? |
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| 07:53.37 | nsadmin | otherwise it seems to run into undefined instructions?! |
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| 07:53.52 | nsadmin | paste the link again? |
| 07:54.00 | wt | http://www.kerneloops.org/submitresult.php?number=849516 |
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| 07:54.26 | wt | I think it's a race condition of some kind because I can fix it by inserting a 10 second delay every 10 min |
| 07:54.33 | wt | that's a nasty nasty hack |
| 07:54.47 | RabidWeezle | oh, if anyone is running debian on a laptop, and don't like the "my computer" icon being a desktop, I made a pretty cool laptop icon in inkscape modeled after my compaq cq60-215dx :) |
| 07:55.19 | wt | RabidWeezle: package it up as a theme? |
| 07:55.54 | RabidWeezle | it's only 1 icon though, icon sets require a full set :/ |
| 07:55.59 | wt | nsadmin: I guess it's possible that some memory got trashed |
| 07:56.21 | nsadmin | yeah, that could be... |
| 07:56.33 | RabidWeezle | guess I could mix it with another set I use though if I give credit for the base |
| 07:56.39 | nsadmin | but look at the instruction at 2b offset |
| 07:56.59 | wt | ok |
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| 07:57.28 | nsadmin | it xors something, then tests something (this sets cpu flags) |
| 07:57.42 | Sander__ | How do I find out which physical disk /dev/mapper/mpath3p1 is located on? |
| 07:57.47 | nsadmin | then it jumps on even (je) somewhere else |
| 07:57.58 | nsadmin | if not even, then what? |
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| 08:00.04 | nsadmin | maybe the bd byte (at 3f offset) is the first byte of a multibyte instruction that the oops reporter cut off the rest |
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| 08:00.19 | wt | Sander__: dmsetup table mpath3p1 |
| 08:00.36 | wt | then look for the major/minor numbers in dev nodes in /dev |
| 08:01.15 | wt | what does the lock instruction do? |
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| 08:01.35 | nsadmin | maybe it locks a memory segment? |
| 08:02.12 | nsadmin | no clue tho. I don't know for sure |
| 08:02.34 | wt | well...maybe this oops will be interesting to the devs |
| 08:02.49 | laserlife | i have managed to run out of space (lenny 5.0 ) and am in need of ideas of what i can remove ( its installed onto a 1gb usb drive ) anyone have any ideas ? |
| 08:03.16 | nsadmin | buy a 500g drive |
| 08:03.29 | laserlife | it has 4 hooked up to it :P |
| 08:03.31 | wt | laserlife: try using aptitude and finding things you don't user |
| 08:03.49 | wt | just type aptitude for a curses interface |
| 08:04.09 | wt | ok, I need to get to bed |
| 08:04.15 | nsadmin | oh, get a usb hub too :) |
| 08:04.20 | laserlife | wt thanks |
| 08:04.21 | nsadmin | nite. |
| 08:04.21 | liable | aptitude clean for a start |
| 08:04.28 | wt | thanks for the help nsadmin |
| 08:04.53 | nsadmin | just remember your guesses are as good as mine! |
| 08:05.51 | wt | nsadmin: looks like the lock instruction makes an instruction atomic, btw |
| 08:06.02 | wt | http://www.intel.com/software/products/documentation/vlin/mergedprojects/analyzer_ec/mergedprojects/reference_olh/mergedprojects/instructions/instruct32_hh/vc160.htm |
| 08:06.54 | wt | so it increements the register atomically |
| 08:06.59 | laserlife | does anyone know anything you can remove from a base netinstall ( nothing added to it ) to make it shrink a little more ? |
| 08:07.48 | wt | nfs |
| 08:07.50 | laserlife | liable: thanks that cleared 145mb ! |
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| 08:09.02 | babilen | Hi all. How would I install lenny using a newer kernel than the provided 2.6.26 one? |
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| 08:09.18 | liable | laserlife: yeah, usually the best place to start for getting disk space back. |
| 08:09.57 | laserlife | any other ideas to trim the fat ? |
| 08:10.31 | liable | if its a basic netinst, base install, it should only really take about 350MB iirc |
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| 08:11.53 | laserlife | well i installed debian then samba, and its 662mb |
| 08:12.40 | babilen | Are there any netinstall images using a new kernel? |
| 08:12.55 | babilen | Or how would I create one? |
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| 08:13.16 | liable | !lennynahalf |
| 08:13.30 | laserlife | babilen: you might have to install then compile the new kernel |
| 08:13.30 | liable | bleh |
| 08:13.30 | liable | !listkeys half |
| 08:13.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'half' by key (13): _default half-life ;; _default half life ;; etchandahalf ;; etchnhalf facts ;; etchnahalf ;; halflife ;; half life ;; etch+half ;; remove korhalf ;; etchnhalf ;; CMD: chop (.*?) in half ;; half-life ;; half-measure. |
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| 08:13.47 | mhymn | babilen: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 08:13.52 | liable | eh, stupid bot |
| 08:15.29 | babilen | liable, mhymn: thanks |
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| 08:15.56 | babilen | I guess the images available there are the same as the ones provided by Debian *except* that they have a newer kernel? |
| 08:16.10 | babilen | Or rather: *hope* ;-) |
| 08:17.23 | dz2 | is there a script hat runs at shutdown and restart? |
| 08:17.39 | dz2 | I want to log /proc/net/dev to messages |
| 08:17.43 | liable | dz2: there are many in /etc/init.d |
| 08:17.57 | dz2 | to keep try of data usage |
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| 08:18.15 | dz2 | thanks liable |
| 08:18.21 | babilen | dz2: have a look at /etc/rc.local |
| 08:18.22 | liable | !rclocal |
| 08:18.22 | dpkg | [rc.local] /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 08:19.34 | babilen | mhymn: How "official" are these images provided by kmuto? |
| 08:20.25 | liable | hes been doing em for years, he's a dd, but they are not official |
| 08:21.15 | WormFood | forgive me for asking, since I know it isn't directly related for debian (but it will be running on a debian system, so that has to count for something ;)...does anyone know of a good irc chat bot? (a bot that will pretend to be human, and talk with people) |
| 08:21.35 | RabidWeezle | lamebot |
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| 08:21.41 | babilen | liable: thanks. I just found his personal page. |
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| 08:22.32 | babilen | Is rmadison not working for anybody else? I get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/50143/ |
| 08:22.36 | RabidWeezle | WormFood, the best bot is the one you program yourself (I suggest python) |
| 08:23.23 | ethanol | if I setup an iface in static mode, do I have to supply a netmask, or can it figure out the right one itself? |
| 08:23.27 | RabidWeezle | babilen, what is rmadison? |
| 08:23.28 | laserlife | use state machine's to imitate intelligence iirc there is one doing the rounds on msn |
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| 08:24.23 | babilen | RabidWeezle: It is a tool to query the Debian archive about available package versions. |
| 08:24.35 | RabidWeezle | oh |
| 08:24.43 | babilen | RabidWeezle: You can find it within the "devscripts" package |
| 08:24.48 | WormFood | thanks RabidWeezle, but I don't program in python...and that really isn't the type of thing I program anyways. |
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| 08:25.24 | babilen | RabidWeezle: Something like "remote apt-cache policy" that gives you information about all packages, not only those in the sources you use *locally* |
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| 08:25.43 | laserlife | WormFood i know of one. it was programed in java a few years ago. it used state machines to imitate intelligence. |
| 08:25.56 | RabidWeezle | sounds usefull babilen for seeing if you want that version before you install it |
| 08:26.10 | dz2 | thanks babi len simple one line change |
| 08:26.28 | babilen | dz2: ? |
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| 08:27.29 | RabidWeezle | plays world of goo for a bit |
| 08:27.46 | WormFood | RabidWeezle, when you say "lamebot", were you saying that as a joke, or is that a real bot....I didn't dig too deep in goggle, but everything I'm coming up with so far isn't a bot |
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| 08:31.36 | mzb | Hi everyone. I've got some conceptual problems with a kernel module I'm writing. I hope it's OK to ask for advice here? |
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| 08:33.25 | babilen | mzb: #kernelnewbies on OFTC might be better suited, but: |
| 08:33.27 | babilen | !ask |
| 08:33.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:33.51 | mzb | ok, thanks (excuse the verbosity to follow;)) |
| 08:34.29 | babilen | mzb: Is your question somehow Debian related? |
| 08:35.00 | mzb | yes, I think ... all my systems are Debian: ie: Debian kernel |
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| 08:36.34 | mzb | I've written a module to handle IO to/from a device on the parallel port, by creating a character device that accepts input/output. |
| 08:36.38 | mzb | (8 relay outputs, 8 opto-isolated inputs = KC5230 "Silicon Chip" July 1997) |
| 08:36.40 | babilen | mzb: "Debian kernels" are vanilla linux kernel plus a few patches. I guess you will get better help in #kernelnewbies. But if you feel like it, just ask. |
| 08:36.47 | mzb | I've also added an irq handler (I'm building a rain tipper to connect to pin10). |
| 08:36.51 | mzb | Now, the problem I've got is that I'd really like to add a timestampt of the IRQ triggers to a database. |
| 08:36.56 | mzb | Does this mean that I need a connector between the kernel module and a userspace app? |
| 08:37.49 | mzb | starts to think that #kernelnewbies would be more appropriate |
| 08:37.59 | babilen | thinks so too |
| 08:38.09 | babilen | mzb: Good luck! |
| 08:38.11 | mzb | ok, thanks for your advice*pointer babilen |
| 08:38.25 | mzb | s/& ;) |
| 08:38.44 | Supaplex | that'll be $832USD |
| 08:39.38 | mzb | hehe |
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| 08:40.30 | mzb | lavishly pays babilen (and the peanut gallery) in kudos and karma |
| 08:40.37 | mzb | ;) |
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| 08:42.04 | babilen | mzb: Thanks a lot. |
| 08:42.20 | babilen | is happy! Great start into the day... :-D |
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| 08:43.46 | mzb | all asleep in #kernelnewbies ... nm, I can wait ;) |
| 08:48.01 | fredl | Hmm, could you make IP aliassed devices on top of an ethernet bridge, like br0:0 and br0:1 etc. ? |
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| 08:48.33 | WormFood | freaky[t], did you try it? |
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| 08:49.10 | fredl | WormFood, nope, not yet |
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| 08:49.49 | WormFood | d'oh...wrong nick completion....glad you were smart enough to figure out my mistake ;) |
| 08:50.05 | fredl | I'm trying many different things right now to get a few subnets configured on an interface that should also have a bridge configured for KVM |
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| 08:50.23 | fredl | figured you typed fre<tab> |
| 08:50.35 | WormFood | I wasn't paying attention |
| 08:50.38 | WormFood | common mistake |
| 08:50.49 | Sander__ | wt: dmsetup table mpath3p1 only returned: 0 733993722 linear 253:5 63 |
| 08:50.59 | fredl | I'm just curious if bridging interfaces go together well with aliased interfaces. |
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| 08:51.05 | Sander__ | wt: I want eg. /dev/sda returned |
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| 08:52.41 | dz2 | hey, rc.local only runs at startup. whats the name of the script that runs at shutdown and restart(before reset)? |
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| 08:54.42 | WormFood | dz2, try adding it to inittab, or /etc/init.d-/etc/rc?.d |
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| 08:55.59 | somiaj | dz2: check out /etc/init.d/README and learn how the different startup scripts are ran |
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| 08:57.12 | WormFood | dz2, look at /etc/init.d/rc.local, and add your own script to be called with the stop option, then add it to rc0.d and rd6.d |
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| 08:58.33 | RabidWeezle | thought it was called lamebot :/ |
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| 08:59.19 | RabidWeezle | that was a really old bot though, my memory could be a tad bit off |
| 08:59.36 | Sander__ | How do I find the disk, eg. /dev/sda1.. whic /dev/mapper/mpath3p1 is located on? |
| 08:59.45 | Sander__ | which* |
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| 09:00.10 | Sander__ | should I use dmsetup? |
| 09:00.11 | Prathibha | My xserver crashed now. The output of .xsession-errors file is pasted in http://pastebin.com/m7aa6cb7a. The out of Xorg.0.log file is pasted in http://pastebin.com/m727572fb. Why does it happen? |
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| 09:03.24 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 09:03.43 | rajeshsr | how am i to install open office, gievn tat all dependencies are in the current folder.. |
| 09:03.44 | rajeshsr | ? |
| 09:04.21 | somiaj | rajeshsr: what do you mean? You don't want to just use apt/aptitude/synaptic to do it for you? |
| 09:04.23 | nsadmin | rajeshsr: more details |
| 09:04.40 | rajeshsr | i have a lot of debs in the folder, just tat all dependencies are in the the current folder.. |
| 09:04.49 | rajeshsr | am not sure wat ordering is required to install |
| 09:04.55 | nsadmin | you want to install them all? |
| 09:05.09 | rajeshsr | nsadmin, just oowriter.. |
| 09:05.17 | Supaplex | apt-get install pokemon-libs (gotta catch ... blarg...) |
| 09:05.25 | somiaj | rajeshsr: maybe explain what you are trying to do. I have a feeling there is a better way to do what you are wanting. |
| 09:05.38 | rajeshsr | somiaj, of corz, there may be for debian! |
| 09:05.44 | somiaj | rajeshsr: i.e. why aren't you just doing apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 09:05.45 | rajeshsr | i can get from synaptic |
| 09:05.48 | nsadmin | why do you have other .debs in the folder if you only want to install one of them? |
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| 09:06.02 | rajeshsr | yeah, but i have 3.1 in downloaded from their site |
| 09:06.12 | somiaj | rajeshsr: are you running debian stable (lenny)? |
| 09:06.18 | rajeshsr | somiaj, yeah |
| 09:06.26 | nsadmin | also, which version of debian are these debs meant for? and you downloaded these from a debian mirror? |
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| 09:06.57 | rajeshsr | nsadmin, well it is breaking becoz of dependency and tat dependency is present in the current folder itself |
| 09:07.03 | somiaj | rajeshsr: yea don't do what your doing. You don't want to install a buch of dependencies because you could break your stable os. (i.e. if you upgrade some of the wrong libaries) |
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| 09:07.12 | somiaj | rajeshsr: look into backports. |
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| 09:07.30 | rajeshsr | somiaj, hmm, ok |
| 09:07.35 | somiaj | !backports |
| 09:07.35 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 09:07.50 | rajeshsr | still, any command tat will look for dependency in the current folder and install the package? |
| 09:08.46 | nsadmin | as you haven't specifically answered several questions, the responsibility remains to you as to what you're doing. given lack of information, I can only say "be careful" |
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| 09:09.57 | dz2 | are you sure /etc/init.d/rc.local runs at shutdown? my alteration is not doing anything. |
| 09:10.04 | amee2k | wt, thanks a lot. your dpkg line worked (and fixed my pulse audio :) |
| 09:10.15 | nsadmin | it runs at startup |
| 09:10.54 | dz2 | thanks nsadmin |
| 09:12.34 | nsadmin | dz2: if you're looking to have a specific thing start at startup and be cleaned up and shut down at shutdown, see other files in /etc/init.d/ especially skeleton which you could copy and edit. once all that's done, man update-rc.d |
| 09:12.35 | somiaj | rajeshsr: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/openoffice.org grab the packages you want from there. At least use a backport so you don't break things. |
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| 09:14.15 | nsadmin | rajeshsr: obviously the choice is yours; you can do what you want... but you can't expect support for somethign that's almost certainly going to break your system. probably your system will be unsupportable if you continue |
| 09:14.19 | MDman_ | hi |
| 09:14.55 | nsadmin | but I don't know that for sure because you have failed to provide all requested info |
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| 09:16.05 | somiaj | rajeshsr: you can use dpkg to install multiple debs, dpkg -i deb1.deb deb2.deb deb3.deb [but pay attention to what packages you are installing else you could break things]. i.e. you have been warned. |
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| 09:17.04 | RabidWeezle | installs multiple with apt-get like that quite a bit |
| 09:17.43 | Hyperzid | Does a nfs client cache data? |
| 09:21.22 | Hyperzid | ..I guess so. |
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| 09:22.41 | MDman_ | I need package a php aplication, I found only tutorials for packaging proyect with makefile. are there tutorials about packaging php aplications? |
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| 09:23.09 | nsadmin | MDman_: read debian packaging manual |
| 09:23.17 | nsadmin | and get to know debhelper |
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| 09:26.15 | RabidWeezle | wishes nm-applet had a ppp dialer built in :/ |
| 09:26.44 | MDman_ | I read this file http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html and some articles in blogs. Where is the "Debian packagin manual"? |
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| 09:29.59 | nsadmin | MDman_ probably somewhere off http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 09:31.38 | MDman_ | nsadmin: thanks I start to find tutorial |
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| 09:35.57 | markrian | I've got lenny with exim4-daemon-light installed. Haven't touched the config since installing it for local delivery months ago. Noticed today an error from 3 days ago saying: "unable to set gid=8 or uid=1000 (euid=105): local delivery to markrian <markrian@finale> transport=mail_spool". Googling tells me that exim will fail like this if not setuid root, but it is, and it's worked perfectly for months before, and also seems to be w |
| 09:35.57 | markrian | orking fine now, apart from some 'frozen messages' I don't know how to fix. Any ideas? |
| 09:36.51 | Hyperzid | iostat reports a svctm of 6.71 milli seconds.. is that high? |
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| 09:37.10 | ethanol | anything in /etc/init.d/ is executed on boot? |
| 09:37.44 | ethanol | oh wait, I'm confused |
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| 09:38.45 | ethanol | where should I put scripts to be executed on boot? (iptables script in this case) |
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| 09:39.12 | simonrvn | !update-rc.d |
| 09:39.13 | dpkg | i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead. |
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| 09:42.28 | ethanol | uh |
| 09:42.32 | ethanol | couldn't they have made this easier? :< |
| 09:43.33 | ethanol | I just want my script to run on boot, no stop or start options or whatever |
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| 09:45.55 | radoe | ethanol: put it somewhere, call it from /etc/rc.local. |
| 09:46.16 | ethanol | isn't that executed after -each- run level though? |
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| 09:47.01 | radoe | ethanol: at the end of each multiuser-runlevel. |
| 09:47.24 | ethanol | I think my brain just melted |
| 09:47.31 | ethanol | how complicated can such a simple task really be? :< |
| 09:48.03 | radoe | ethanol: as simple as call your script from rc.local. |
| 09:48.14 | ethanol | isn't it executed more than once then? |
| 09:48.29 | ethanol | I just want to load my iptables rules once, then be done with it |
| 09:48.35 | simonrvn | no. why would it? |
| 09:48.52 | radoe | ethanol: no. |
| 09:48.58 | simonrvn | like radoe said, once per multi-user runlevel |
| 09:49.02 | ethanol | rc.local says # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. |
| 09:49.14 | ethanol | what does that mean then? each multiuser runlevel ? |
| 09:49.26 | rvsjoen | any runlevel that is not in single-user mode |
| 09:49.30 | simonrvn | yes. in debian, 99.9% of the time that's exactly once. |
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| 09:49.45 | radoe | ethanol: if you do not switch runlevels by hand (yo don't need that, in debian 2-5 are equal), you enter just one multiuser runlevel after boot. |
| 09:50.02 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 09:50.03 | ethanol | I see |
| 09:50.18 | ethanol | 1 is single user mode, and then 2-5 is multi ? |
| 09:50.31 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:50.37 | radoe | ethanol: ethanol even if you make 5 your initdefault, you do not hop through 2,3,4 to reach 5. |
| 09:50.38 | ethanol | and 6 is what? |
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| 09:50.46 | simonrvn | S/1 |
| 09:50.53 | simonrvn | 6 is reboot |
| 09:50.59 | ethanol | I see |
| 09:51.09 | simonrvn | 0 is halt |
| 09:51.33 | simonrvn | S is run at start up. 1 is single user. they're equivalent, but not totally. |
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| 09:53.49 | rvsjoen | man init |
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| 10:09.51 | wm_eddie | Anyone remember how to change the console keyboard layout? I'm experimenting if I'm more productive without X. |
| 10:11.14 | thrashold | vmhobbes: /etc/default/console-setup on sid |
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| 10:12.50 | simonrvn | wm_eddie: personally, i find having terminals open in x to be very useful. gui alone doesn't cut it for me. |
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| 10:14.00 | thrashold | wm_eddie: Also you might true FluxBox or some ultra-uncluttered VM, together with some nice terminal emulator, to be more productive than using the console. And you can have up to 24 easily-accessible virtual consoles anyway |
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| 10:14.26 | thrashold | s/true/try/ |
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| 10:15.43 | wm_eddie | I'm trying to reduce the amount of multi-tasking I do. 24 easily-accessible consoles would be counter-productive. |
| 10:16.38 | thrashold | Just that you have apps open on these consoles doesn't mean that you'd switch to them all the time |
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| 10:18.03 | buntfalke | Is there a way to find out who / which process made the last change to file permissions? |
| 10:18.23 | buntfalke | Especially: For an ordinary user, with no root permissions. |
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| 10:19.19 | petemc | not unless you have something in place to log such things |
| 10:19.43 | buntfalke | Well. Is there a way to put something in place to log such things? This would need kernel-space modifications, wouldnt it? |
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| 10:20.07 | buntfalke | So, an ordinary user of a default debian stable cannot do it, right? |
| 10:20.15 | buntfalke | wonders what keeps changing his $home perms |
| 10:20.28 | petemc | no user can, by default |
| 10:20.40 | M4K4V3l1 | hi all |
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| 10:20.42 | thrashold | You can write a library that replaces chown/chmod with ones that log, and then add it to LD_PRELOAD for everybody, but they would be able to disable it. You can also modify glibc. |
| 10:20.56 | M4K4V3l1 | how can I get the source of a .deb ? |
| 10:21.01 | kolby | hi |
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| 10:21.21 | petemc | M4K4V3l1: apt-get source foo |
| 10:21.35 | M4K4V3l1 | ok thx |
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| 10:22.02 | thrashold | buntfalke: If the LD_PRELOAD approach is enough for you, you can look at the alsa-oss (aoss) source code for example on how they override open() |
| 10:22.03 | kolby | aptitude source <.den> |
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| 10:22.11 | kolby | *.deb |
| 10:22.24 | M4K4V3l1 | tks |
| 10:22.42 | petemc | aptitude source? |
| 10:22.50 | buntfalke | thrashold: good ideas! thanks :-) |
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| 10:22.52 | buntfalke | does so |
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| 10:25.52 | themill | thinks kolby should try that out |
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| 10:28.14 | kjs | ahh no, i accidently typed crontab -r |
| 10:28.30 | kjs | i need to restore the crontab entrys is there a way? |
| 10:28.47 | kjs | i have a backup of /etc and /var if helpfull |
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| 10:29.08 | rvsjoen | doubt it |
| 10:29.15 | kjs | damn it. |
| 10:29.32 | rvsjoen | hm, wait |
| 10:29.34 | themill | kjs: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 10:29.43 | rvsjoen | yes, if you have backup |
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| 10:30.09 | kjs | I only have one username in there |
| 10:30.13 | kjs | not root |
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| 10:33.43 | luser | ok i'm going crazy here... i put the latest deb dvd in my new computer and all i get is a black screen - are onboard geforce 8300s supported? |
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| 10:35.00 | kolby | themill. |
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| 10:40.10 | krionux | hi |
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| 10:40.30 | zeitsofa | hello :) did anybody knows a solution to disabling shuffle on ices2? |
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| 10:41.18 | krionux | i wonder how i could know what are the "configure options" for a specific package (in fact, nagios) |
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| 10:48.33 | radoe | krionux: download the source package, have a look in debian/rules |
| 10:48.42 | luser | are onboard geforce 8300s supported? i cant seem to even boot the lenny dvd |
| 10:49.04 | krionux | radoe: ok, ty |
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| 10:53.33 | krionux | fortunately, nagios3 debian package looks like it have been compiled with event-broker |
| 10:53.48 | krionux | (trough it use nagios:nagios but that would not be that big of a deal) |
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| 10:55.34 | RabidWeezle | luser, yes, I use an 8200M G, what you have to do is do like a net install (non-graphical) and then upgrade your kernel with backports, then compile the blob driver from nvidia's site |
| 10:56.34 | RabidWeezle | at least it worked on my x64 laptop like that |
| 10:57.00 | RabidWeezle | it might not be all that dramatic, but I always suggest using a later kernel if you are a laptop user using lenny |
| 10:57.24 | RabidWeezle | more for wireless networking that is |
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| 11:00.06 | benedikt | luser: use the ncurses install |
| 11:00.11 | luser | RabidWeezle, ok thanks ill have a look at a netinstall |
| 11:00.13 | RabidWeezle | and for the net install, it's only 1 small cd you have to burn |
| 11:00.37 | luser | I thought it would fallback to text only |
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| 11:01.17 | luser | benedikt, what is the ISO called? |
| 11:01.24 | themill | the installer is identical on each cd |
| 11:01.47 | luser | debian-503-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 11:01.47 | ethanol | anyone here a bit networking savy? (/etc/network/interfaces and iptables rules) |
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| 11:01.52 | luser | oh i thought net install and ncurses were two diff ISOs |
| 11:01.53 | benedikt | luser: i belive it is on all cd's. Its probably called either "install" (not grpahical install) or "text install" |
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| 11:02.18 | luser | benedikt, well my problem is I can't see anything with the disc in after POST |
| 11:02.25 | luser | so I can't chose graphical install |
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| 11:02.31 | RabidWeezle | luser, try to use your dvd again, and on boot, it should provide to you a menu to do a non-graphical install |
| 11:02.40 | benedikt | !tell ethanol about ask |
| 11:02.50 | ethanol | http://pastie.org/673132 -- anyone care to comment on this setup? |
| 11:02.56 | RabidWeezle | I've only installed with netinst so I haven't tried the other way around |
| 11:02.59 | luser | RabidWeezle, I've rebooted maybe ten times now to no avail. |
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| 11:03.27 | luser | downloading net ISO now though, I'll try anything! |
| 11:03.34 | RabidWeezle | :) |
| 11:03.36 | luser | I started out with a USB stick, DVD then CD |
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| 11:03.49 | luser | they boot on other machines not my new one |
| 11:04.00 | RabidWeezle | you might need to use a wire since the wireless detection is a little shotty since it's an older kernel |
| 11:04.14 | luser | it's a headless fileserver so no wifi |
| 11:04.23 | RabidWeezle | I know I had to use a wire |
| 11:04.30 | RabidWeezle | ahh, okay |
| 11:04.45 | benedikt | i couldnt use wireless becuase of non-free firmware |
| 11:04.57 | luser | it shouldn't be that hard, I thought. |
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| 11:05.43 | RabidWeezle | I couldn't use wireless until I updated kernel with backports |
| 11:05.44 | RabidWeezle | ath5k :) |
| 11:06.17 | luser | does anyone know what menu the graphical install is (like down twice)? |
| 11:06.32 | luser | *which option in the menu |
| 11:06.37 | RabidWeezle | you want non-graphical |
| 11:06.55 | benedikt | graphical is second. text first i belive. |
| 11:07.06 | luser | cool thx brb |
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| 11:08.37 | luser | I'm not getting anything with the netinst either |
| 11:08.46 | luser | screen is still on, just black, no cursor |
| 11:09.00 | benedikt | and you see your bios screen and such? |
| 11:09.04 | RabidWeezle | o_O |
| 11:09.04 | RabidWeezle | umm |
| 11:09.08 | luser | oh yes the computer POSTs |
| 11:09.08 | RabidWeezle | are you getting post? |
| 11:09.21 | luser | this is a new box with my old HDDs |
| 11:09.30 | luser | I can get to grub to boot my old deb OS from hda |
| 11:09.40 | luser | but the kernel starts booting and then the screen goes black |
| 11:09.44 | RabidWeezle | check the bios for any weird integrated video settings |
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| 11:09.50 | RabidWeezle | oh |
| 11:09.52 | luser | integrated? |
| 11:10.01 | luser | i tried pci=nomsi in boot arg. |
| 11:10.24 | benedikt | tried booting testing? |
| 11:10.26 | RabidWeezle | f'ing weird man |
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| 11:10.34 | luser | no not yet only lenny |
| 11:10.54 | luser | what sort of vid setting am i looking for? i only have onboard gf 8300 remember |
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| 11:11.20 | [Elvis] | hej guys, I can't build the vsock module of vmwareserver on my debian box...anyone knowof this problem? |
| 11:11.26 | RabidWeezle | tbh this sounds like some sort of weird kernel bug |
| 11:11.47 | RabidWeezle | like it doesn't like something in your hardware |
| 11:11.52 | RabidWeezle | perhaps you can install from ssh since it's headless anyway? |
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| 11:12.13 | RabidWeezle | like, get the ip of the box from the router |
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| 11:12.45 | RabidWeezle | stops talking |
| 11:13.08 | luser | ^_^ |
| 11:13.10 | Cerise | i can't use oidentd --stdio, when doing oidentd --debug --stdio i get "[oidentd.c:220:service_request] DEBUG: getpeername: Socket operation on non-socket" |
| 11:13.51 | luser | I'm stuck as well... My 2 SATA HDDs already have LVMs setup so I want to preserve them |
| 11:14.04 | luser | don't care about hda too much, had some config that would be nice to keep but not essential |
| 11:14.34 | luser | but I can't seem to get anything to boot. I had a standard 2.6.2x kernel I was hoping it would boot |
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| 11:15.40 | luser | benedikt, do i use the mini.iso (9MB) to install testing? |
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| 11:16.36 | RabidWeezle | Have you tried the unstable installer? |
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| 11:16.57 | RabidWeezle | it probably has a newer kernel |
| 11:17.21 | benedikt | luser: netinst would proably be best |
| 11:17.36 | benedikt | testing has 2.6.30 and unstable 2.6.31 |
| 11:17.55 | luser | hmmm i can't see ISOs for either on the mirror i'm on.. let me dig harder |
| 11:18.10 | benedikt | probaly only exists on cdimage.debian.org |
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| 11:18.28 | Zap-W | Hi |
| 11:18.44 | Zap-W | what file I have to edit to remove all prompting for editing new packages installation |
| 11:19.16 | Zap-W | postint scripts that prompt for user input |
| 11:19.35 | Zap-W | sometimes there are leveles , of when to ask the user |
| 11:20.59 | luser | ahhh there is nothing in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ - do i have to build my own iso with jidgo? |
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| 11:22.03 | RabidWeezle | didn't even know you could do that luser |
| 11:22.14 | luser | heh |
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| 11:22.24 | luser | I've been using debian a while now |
| 11:22.32 | RabidWeezle | hey, look up your mobo and chipset on the linux hardware compat list luser, maybe you will get an idea of what kernel to use |
| 11:23.19 | RabidWeezle | I was a gentoo user mostly :/ |
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| 11:23.32 | RabidWeezle | and a couple years of ubuntu :( |
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| 11:23.34 | luser | I assume debian-installer wouldn't have a new enough kernel? |
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| 11:24.01 | hark | !tell luser about kmuto |
| 11:24.26 | RabidWeezle | morning hark |
| 11:24.27 | RabidWeezle | passes out coffee |
| 11:24.52 | luser | thx |
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| 11:26.21 | hark | hi |
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| 11:29.37 | luser | hark, that is awesome thanks.. the DL is a bit slow but I'll manage |
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| 11:34.37 | julien2_french | Hi, when I delete a user (userdel), the system won't obey (''user MyUser is in use"). Still, I don't think this user can be in use since I didn't log woth it. |
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| 11:35.21 | julien2_french | *with it |
| 11:35.29 | ethanol | so if I have a script at /etc/init.d/networking/iptables then I should simply add /bin/sh /etc/init.d/networking/iptables at the end of rc.local ? |
| 11:36.15 | joltcan | julien2_french: maybe you kan pkill -u theuser first? |
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| 11:38.16 | julien2_french | joltcan : I ran your command, it didn't return any error, but I still can't delete my user |
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| 11:39.05 | joltcan | julien2_french: ps aux |grep username, any processes returned? |
| 11:40.11 | julien2_french | joltcan : no (indeed, only one line : grep) |
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| 11:41.39 | joltcan | julien2_french: are you doing that via a GUI program? |
| 11:42.10 | hark | ethanol: why don't you use iptables-restore instead? say from your pre-up in interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 11:42.17 | joltcan | julien2_french: try just userdel user |
| 11:42.19 | julien2_french | joltcan : putty (windows) |
| 11:42.28 | ethanol | hark: I probably will implement a post-down and pre-up rule |
| 11:42.52 | ethanol | hark: save with counters on down, restore with counters on up |
| 11:43.01 | julien2_french | joltcan : userdel user returns 'user is in use' |
| 11:43.34 | joltcan | julien2_french: freaking weird. Are you logged in as that user? |
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| 11:44.01 | hark | uswerdel has a force option as well, if it's needed :) |
| 11:44.08 | julien2_french | joltcan : no, logged in root |
| 11:44.49 | hark | afk |
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| 11:45.18 | julien2_french | ok, userdel -f seems to work fine |
| 11:45.19 | julien2_french | thanks |
| 11:45.38 | bisleri | hello. am installing debian on my laptop via a netinstall. just installted the base system. and i want to run xfce as my desktop. |
| 11:45.50 | bisleri | should i just do apt-get install xfce or something else? |
| 11:46.04 | ethanol | hark: or should I restore after up? |
| 11:46.06 | joltcan | julien2_french: totatlly weird, because my usedel works even when I have a program running in the background of the user :) |
| 11:46.15 | yacyac | my iceweasal is running way too slow now.. |
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| 11:46.28 | yacyac | any way to figure out the problem what is causing it |
| 11:46.28 | bisleri | what is iceweasel? |
| 11:46.40 | yacyac | firefox |
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| 11:47.16 | bisleri | can anyone help with installing X on my laptop? i just have tbe base system on, and irssi. want to have xfce. whatis teh best way to install X and xfce? |
| 11:48.06 | petemc | bisleri: aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
| 11:48.27 | bisleri | petemc: okie |
| 11:49.08 | bisleri | long wait while it downloads :( |
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| 11:49.48 | bisleri | also, is there an irssi usage howto for newbies? |
| 11:50.17 | RabidWeezle | man irssi |
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| 11:51.02 | ethanol | hark: though this script will only run at boot, I probably want to reset everything on a reboot (including counters) |
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| 11:51.55 | bisleri | RabidWeezle: the manpage talks about files in my home .irssi directory. if that is empty, do i need to create those files, like themes and config? |
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| 11:52.21 | j_14 | bisleri: the documentation installed along with irssi is decent |
| 11:52.25 | RabidWeezle | I never do :/ |
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| 11:52.45 | bisleri | oh |
| 11:53.05 | RabidWeezle | basically it's /quit to quit /part #channel to leave a channel, |
| 11:53.24 | bisleri | i am used to the mirc gui -.- |
| 11:53.35 | petemc | bisleri: there are config generators on the internet |
| 11:53.51 | RabidWeezle | and some crazy key combo to switch channels |
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| 11:54.03 | petemc | meta + 1 - 0 |
| 11:54.05 | bisleri | petemc: okay. will check them out once i have teh GUI running |
| 11:54.08 | petemc | hardly crazy |
| 11:54.31 | bisleri | i can change "windows" here by doing Alt 1, 2, 3, etc |
| 11:54.51 | luser | thanks everyone |
| 11:54.52 | luser | night |
| 11:54.57 | RabidWeezle | meta is very crazy, cause it's labeled with a windoze logo on many laptops |
| 11:55.30 | bisleri | eh? i thought the windows key and the meta key were different |
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| 11:55.40 | RabidWeezle | oh |
| 11:55.44 | RabidWeezle | maybe I'm thinking of super |
| 11:55.44 | petemc | meta is usually alt or escape, ime |
| 11:55.47 | RabidWeezle | forgets |
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| 12:06.29 | petemc | NoReflex: can use ethtool or look in dmesg to check if the link is up |
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| 12:11.01 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 12:11.02 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.3-2 |
| 12:11.37 | jelly-home | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 12:11.38 | judd | jelly-home: xulrunner-1.9.1 -- sid: 1.9.1.3-3 |
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| 12:13.18 | prisioner | Is there any apt developer? |
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| 12:14.29 | d1b | prisioner: try on oftc / irc.debian.org |
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| 12:15.37 | nagchampa | hey guys, i'm wondering how i could get a copy of the vmlinux for the livecd |
| 12:15.41 | krj217 | hi, i am having trouble installing fglrx module for my ATI card, i tried getting the fglrx-modules-2.6-686 package but even after i modprobe the module, Xorg does not start saying "fglrx" module does not exist |
| 12:16.19 | bisleri | hey nagchampa .. is that a flower? |
| 12:16.21 | prisioner | Is there any person, whe develop apt? |
| 12:16.23 | RabidWeezle | did you setup /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use the proper driver? |
| 12:16.41 | krj217 | RabidWeezle, i have "fglrx" in the Driver section, i think that is the right text to put in ? |
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| 12:17.09 | RabidWeezle | not sure since I'm an nvidia guy |
| 12:17.12 | jelly-home | krj217: is fglrx-driver installed? /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 12:17.40 | anoob | krj217, yes, fglrx driver is correct... |
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| 12:18.20 | krj217 | jelly-home, that is the non-free one, should i be using that? thought i was supposed to use the free one for 3d etc |
| 12:18.21 | bisleri | what package do i have to apt-get to install teh sun java 6? |
| 12:18.29 | krj217 | anoob, ty |
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| 12:19.09 | jelly-home | krj217: fglrx is non-free, yes. |
| 12:19.12 | anoob | did you get no screens found error krj217? |
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| 12:19.52 | krj217 | anoob, no i get the (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) \n (EE) No drivers available. |
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| 12:20.11 | anoob | i see krj217 |
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| 12:20.37 | bisleri | petemc: i did aptitude install xfce4 but X didnt auto install. what do i do to set the xorg properly? |
| 12:20.37 | krj217 | lsmod |grep -i fglrx shows me "fglrx 1939228 0" \n "agpgart 28808 2 fglrx,intel_agp" |
| 12:20.41 | kripz | how can i do cat 00001 -> 000040 > output |
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| 12:22.43 | krj217 | thinks it cant break any further, so gets fglrx-driver |
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| 12:23.55 | radoe | kripz: what should 00001 -> 000040 mean? |
| 12:23.55 | iceroot | kripz: cat 0001 00040 > output |
| 12:24.07 | kripz | files named 00001 to 000040 |
| 12:24.21 | kripz | rather than 0001 0002 ... 000040 |
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| 12:24.55 | themill | Is there a tool to spot filenames that only differ by case (e.g. Foo and foo) that a windows machine is going to complain about? |
| 12:25.03 | krj217 | ok, now it says screens found, but none have a usable configuration, given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver |
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| 12:26.33 | bisleri | oh crap. i just typed startx and it worked :)) |
| 12:26.55 | krj217 | lucky! |
| 12:27.28 | krj217 | jelly-home, here is the xorg.conf i am using, it works with vesa driver at the smaller rez, notice i added fglrx http://pastebin.ca/1646386 |
| 12:27.36 | radoe | kripz: all havein 4 leading zeros? |
| 12:27.44 | kripz | radoe yes |
| 12:27.44 | radoe | *having |
| 12:28.05 | kripz | actually, its a 5 digit number |
| 12:28.11 | kripz | so its padded if necessary |
| 12:28.33 | kripz | 00001 00010 00100 |
| 12:28.56 | radoe | kripz: but 40 with 4 leading zeros is a 6 digit number. So all have 4 leading zeros or not? |
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| 12:29.06 | kripz | no |
| 12:29.10 | kripz | just padded to 5 digits |
| 12:29.18 | kripz | my mistake above |
| 12:29.40 | bisleri | i installed blackbox and xfce .. how do i make blackbox start up? each time i startx, i get xfce |
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| 12:30.07 | krj217 | i would put "exec blackbox" in to your .xinitrc file |
| 12:30.14 | bisleri | thank you |
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| 12:30.28 | radoe | kripz: well, then we need a mot complex something... |
| 12:30.33 | krj217 | i usually link the menu to /home/user/menu for easy access |
| 12:30.38 | anoob | krj217, i always get no screens found error... i need to use radeon driver, with poor performance... :S |
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| 12:30.40 | radoe | kripz: untested - cat $(printf "000%02d" {1..40}) > output |
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| 12:31.05 | radoe | kripz: needs bash. |
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| 12:31.35 | kripz | got it i think, cat cat $(printf "000%02d " {1..40}) > output |
| 12:31.42 | kripz | oops, disregard double cat |
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| 12:31.49 | kripz | missing the space at the end inside tue quotes |
| 12:31.58 | kripz | thanks radoe |
| 12:32.00 | radoe | kripz: yes, of course. |
| 12:32.56 | Hyperzid | Anyone know the diffrence on svctm and await in iostat -x ? |
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| 12:33.06 | prisioner | Is there any person, who maintain/develop apt? |
| 12:33.22 | prisioner | I will search .deb or apt maintainer |
| 12:33.32 | simonrvn | wtf does 'tue' mean? |
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| 12:34.50 | simonrvn | prisioner: why do you ask? |
| 12:34.57 | martb | simonrvn: typoe of "the" i suspect. |
| 12:35.09 | krj217 | tuesday? |
| 12:35.18 | themill | prisioner: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 12:35.31 | simonrvn | i thought s/he might have meant 'two' |
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| 12:36.06 | simonrvn | though typo is more likely |
| 12:36.22 | prisioner | Ok. |
| 12:36.30 | bisleri | how do i get my ntfs partitions which i use with windows to show up in debian? when i was installing, there was no option for ntfs in teh partitioner |
| 12:36.31 | prisioner | I had idea for hybrid packages format |
| 12:37.01 | prisioner | There are a lot of people, who need standarised packages format, but standarisation is road of pain |
| 12:37.15 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 12:37.28 | prisioner | The main reason Linux programs are not delivered on CD's is not different descriptions on packages, but data redutant |
| 12:37.58 | prisioner | Why must creates packages in each format, what is not problem for big companies |
| 12:38.01 | soya | bisleri, install ntfs-3g |
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| 12:38.11 | prisioner | Companies must creates packages in each... |
| 12:38.16 | prisioner | Sorry for misspeling |
| 12:38.22 | bisleri | soya: and then add the partitions to /etc/fstab? |
| 12:38.32 | soya | yes |
| 12:38.41 | bisleri | soya: the data type is ntfs or ntfs-3g? |
| 12:38.53 | prisioner | So we can create one packages, but files on it and put description for each distribution |
| 12:38.57 | simonrvn | ntfs-3g |
| 12:38.58 | soya | bisleri: ntfs-3g |
| 12:39.04 | bisleri | excellent. |
| 12:39.13 | prisioner | It should be simple to handle new packaging format, because tools, like apt don't must change anythink |
| 12:39.17 | themill | prisioner: the package format is only part of the problem -- the package must actually work on each platform and must be integrated into the platform. Changing the package format doesn't help the other two and if anything, means that they get forgotten. |
| 12:39.23 | simonrvn | prisioner: what does this have to do with apt? |
| 12:39.30 | prisioner | It only decompress other file and search scripts/description for them |
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| 12:39.39 | bisleri | and what's a good graphical irc client? |
| 12:39.49 | prisioner | Because new package format will contains apt header, rpm header, etc. |
| 12:39.53 | krj217 | bisleri, xchat |
| 12:39.55 | themill | bisleri: most seem to use xchat or konversation |
| 12:40.02 | simonrvn | bisleri: uxterm -e irssi |
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| 12:40.49 | prisioner | It don't change anythin |
| 12:40.51 | prisioner | k |
| 12:41.15 | prisioner | We only must change path, where apt search for description/scripts |
| 12:41.19 | bisleri | simonrvn: am using irssi right now. its a little difficult to keep track :) |
| 12:41.19 | themill | prisioner: you should do some more research into what the packaging system and distribution development is actually about before proposing such things. A read through the debian developer's reference and debian policy might be enlightening for you. |
| 12:41.19 | bisleri | brb. let me instlal and switch to a GUI client |
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| 12:42.00 | nyk2005 | Strange problem: I see my digital camera when plugged in by USB to my laptop running gentoo, but on the older laptop running debian I can't see (or access) it. What could be the reason? |
| 12:42.07 | prisioner | When we use switch --hybrid-package, description/scripts will be search in package:/path/to/package.hybrid/distribution-depended/deb/* |
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| 12:42.43 | prisioner | So sorry |
| 12:42.52 | prisioner | I thought we can change only small think |
| 12:43.15 | simonrvn | prisioner: dude, that's really complicated |
| 12:44.00 | prisioner | So there's no way to unpack *.deb, *.rpm, remove program files from rpm folder, move .spec/scripts files, and tar it together? |
| 12:44.42 | prisioner | There's only one problem: path for some thinks, but in larger % it's standarized |
| 12:44.47 | soya | prisioner: unpack *.deb: ar x *.deb |
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| 12:45.58 | krj217 | (EE) fglrx(0): Given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver, PreInitVisual failed, PreInit failed. (why is it saying depth 8 in the error when i specified 24?) |
| 12:46.14 | krj217 | is it falling back to simpler, then cant even do that? |
| 12:46.25 | prisioner | Give me any link, if you can :-) |
| 12:46.36 | prisioner | I mean URL: |
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| 12:46.40 | simonrvn | prisioner: dealing with th software is one thing, but like themill said, you have to deal with each distro's pecularities |
| 12:47.01 | FSB_1 | How can I know what version of a specific package is in the repositories? |
| 12:47.08 | nyk2005 | The strange thing is I don't see anything at all using lsusb on the debian machine, but on gentoo it shows the empty busses. and the camera when connected. |
| 12:47.16 | prisioner | But software vendors are doing this |
| 12:47.36 | prisioner | When I go to any pages, I see packages for each distribution |
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| 12:48.18 | simonrvn | yes, and they're built on the specific distro... |
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| 12:48.55 | hark | FSB_1: http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:48.59 | prisioner | Build <-> compiling? |
| 12:49.25 | prisioner | Built mean compiling, yes? |
| 12:49.43 | prisioner | Maybe if we put there half code, it will helps? |
| 12:49.43 | simonrvn | prisioner: i know what you're getting at, and it's a well-intentioned thought, but it's just not easily feasible. yes it does. |
| 12:49.54 | jelly-home | krj217: you're missing a line like DefaultDepth 24 in the Screen section |
| 12:50.01 | prisioner | Ok. |
| 12:50.03 | FSB_1 | hark: And from the command line? |
| 12:50.10 | prisioner | Goodbye. |
| 12:50.16 | krj217 | jelly-home, im missing what? it is there i thought |
| 12:50.24 | hark | FSB_1: apt-cache policy foopackage |
| 12:50.27 | prisioner | Is there any simple think, that can help debian? |
| 12:50.28 | krj217 | tries |
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| 12:51.02 | krj217 | jelly-home, omg i think it works, *checks gimp for screen rez |
| 12:51.03 | krj217 | :O |
| 12:51.10 | x3rames | Hey there... I've just installed a binary which is located in /usr/local/bin, but it is not found even though /usr/local/bin is in $PATH. It says "could not be found in "/usr/bin". Is this because previously there was a binary with the same name in that folder, and how can I fix it? |
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| 12:51.17 | FSB_1 | hark: Thanks |
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| 12:51.43 | hark | x3rames: hash -r |
| 12:51.45 | krj217 | jelly-home, thanks i think its working, need to get 189 MB to install gimp, so i'll confirm later. but for now.. /worship /worship jelly-home |
| 12:52.04 | simonrvn | prisioner: 'thing', think is 'the mental process that makes thoughts' |
| 12:52.11 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 12:52.17 | x3rames | @hark: that did it, thank :) |
| 12:52.27 | x3rames | *thanks |
| 12:52.34 | hark | np |
| 12:53.35 | krj217 | 11:55pm , score! |
| 12:53.45 | jelly-home | simonrvn: prisioner has escaped the dungeon |
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| 12:54.28 | prisioner | Sorry. |
| 12:54.36 | prisioner | It still I. |
| 12:54.38 | prisioner | I:Me |
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| 12:55.04 | prisioner | I have decided to create my own WM's, but this probably hard work? |
| 12:55.09 | prisioner | WM's = Window Manager |
| 12:55.19 | krj217 | the good thing about any project is that you can build on it |
| 12:55.28 | prisioner | Not Full Graphicall User Environment, but only WM |
| 12:55.48 | prisioner | Yes. |
| 12:56.05 | prisioner | But I need small Windows manager, but the code must have basic functions |
| 12:56.10 | krj217 | i saw tutorial for creating simple window manager a few years ago, it looked fun |
| 12:56.13 | x2y2 | hi,hark. i'm new to internet chat , np means what? |
| 12:56.21 | prisioner | I can't start from big project, because code can be ugly |
| 12:56.29 | jelly-home | prisioner: because there's never enough of wms: http://xwinman.org/others.php |
| 12:56.30 | hark | x2y2: no problem :) |
| 12:56.32 | prisioner | Ok. |
| 12:56.46 | prisioner | It will be quite different WM |
| 12:56.54 | x2y2 | oh..i know now. thanks |
| 12:57.01 | prisioner | It will takes first role with user interaction/communication |
| 12:57.04 | prisioner | Thank |
| 12:57.25 | Hyperzid | I had 1000 as a svctm value in iostat.. just one second.. is that bad? |
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| 13:00.19 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: it just means some poor process had to wait 1s for their io request |
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| 13:00.55 | prisioner | Anyone knows how to generate Mouse Messages. |
| 13:01.09 | prisioner | I need to grab cursor and send message to windows if it is active |
| 13:01.42 | justin | !wayttd prisioner |
| 13:01.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, prisioner? |
| 13:01.43 | jelly-home | prisioner: so wrong channel, dude |
| 13:02.34 | jelly-home | prisioner: #xorg for generic X11 questions ... and I've no idea if there's a channel for X11 apps developing here |
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| 13:04.12 | mesaGL | prisioner: xdotool may be what you want |
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| 13:07.51 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: is it normal for fasts disks to have 1000 seconds of wait? |
| 13:08.12 | Hyperzid | its actually 36 disks in raid |
| 13:09.36 | Hyperzid | with a fiber connection between the san and the Linux server. |
| 13:10.18 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: 1000ms, you mean. It depends on how many requests are pending, on the device capabilities, some kernel tunables (ioscheduler used) |
| 13:10.43 | justin | generally you should not be using an io scheduler with a san |
| 13:11.06 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: how do I see how many requests that are pending? |
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| 13:11.16 | jelly-home | justin: you mean, you should use a dumb one |
| 13:11.33 | Hyperzid | justin: how do I know if I use a io scheduler? |
| 13:11.34 | barraponto | i like the debian configuration of apache, can i install it on other distros? |
| 13:11.35 | justin | not really dumb, the noop one |
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| 13:11.57 | justin | Hyperzid: unless you told it to use the noop one, you're probably using cfq or deadline or such |
| 13:12.15 | justin | your SAN probably has documentation for linux somewhere that tells you this :) |
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| 13:12.45 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler (replace sda with whatever the device) |
| 13:12.56 | mesaGL | barraponto: other distros ? like what ? |
| 13:14.07 | barraponto | mesaGL: like arch. |
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| 13:15.04 | mesaGL | barraponto: and do arch and debian use the same package manager ? |
| 13:15.27 | justin | mesaGL: configuration!=package |
| 13:15.27 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: "vmstat 1" second column (1) shows the number of processes waiting for io. iostat -x 1 also has more interesting numbers than just svctm |
| 13:15.45 | justin | barraponto: it might work, but you'd be missing all the helper scripts if you just copy the configuration |
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| 13:16.06 | mesaGL | justin: so how is someone going to export the config to arch, if not by repackaging ? |
| 13:16.19 | justin | mesaGL: uhh, tar cvzf apache.tgz /etc/apache ? |
| 13:16.25 | mesaGL | justin: stfu |
| 13:17.23 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: there is no queue/schedulere in /sys/block/dm-8 |
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| 13:17.51 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: figure out the physical device(s) |
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| 13:18.36 | dcestari | hello, anyone having trouble with acenic firmware? |
| 13:18.42 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: also, uname -r? |
| 13:18.53 | dcestari | I'm on squeeze and I get "failed to load firmware 'acenic/tg2.bin" |
| 13:18.55 | Creap | I made some changes to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, adding prepend statements to add new domains in "search" |
| 13:19.12 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: it says: noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
| 13:19.13 | Creap | in Ubuntu, I usually then just run dhclient to get new info from the dhcp server |
| 13:19.20 | Creap | but Lenny tells me command not found |
| 13:19.36 | Creap | what's the command? |
| 13:20.14 | tempuser | Creap: perhaps its not installed |
| 13:20.20 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: what other interesting values should I be looking for in iostat -x 1? |
| 13:20.32 | Creap | then how do I know what's used instead? |
| 13:20.36 | Creap | something is updating resolv.conf... |
| 13:20.51 | jelly-home | !tell Creap -about resolvconf |
| 13:20.53 | Creap | and there is a dhclient.conf etc |
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| 13:21.51 | jelly-home | Creap: if there's a dhcp configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for the device, you may just do an ifdown ethX && ifup ethX |
| 13:22.10 | Creap | ok |
| 13:22.18 | jelly-home | Creap: if you're using NetworkManager... dunno. That stuff scares me, |
| 13:22.37 | Creap | no, it's a server |
| 13:22.46 | Creap | I just edited dhclient.conf |
| 13:22.55 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: queue size for one |
| 13:23.31 | Hyperzid | justin: jelly-home: When my /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler contains: noop anticipatory deadline [cfq].. does that mean I use cfq, deadline or noop? |
| 13:23.32 | jelly-home | Creap: all of my servers have static ip assignments |
| 13:23.41 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: what do you think? |
| 13:23.59 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: which one stands out? |
| 13:24.05 | Hyperzid | cfq |
| 13:24.09 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 13:24.40 | Hyperzid | How big impact can this have? |
| 13:25.03 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: you can echo the new iosched type into that file, but it might make the system unstable esp. if it's busy |
| 13:25.39 | nyk2005 | How can it be possible that I don't see anything on the usb using lsbusb, when it works on an other machine? |
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| 13:26.09 | bogdanbivi | Hello |
| 13:26.38 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: also check your san device mgt tools to see if some other client is making a larger impact |
| 13:26.40 | justin | nyk2005: the machine you are running on isn't working right? |
| 13:27.46 | nyk2005 | justin: but I was using about a year ago and it was working then... |
| 13:28.03 | justin | nyk2005: is usb enabled in the bios? |
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| 13:28.17 | justin | nyk2005: do devices that you plug in get power? |
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| 13:28.28 | Hyperzid | jelly-home: how do I change to noop mode? |
| 13:28.29 | bogdanbivi | I have a Debian 5.0 installed on a VPS account. I'd like to install some ruby packages from lenny backports, but I don't know what should I add to /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 13:28.33 | nyk2005 | justin: maybe it forgot that it's enabled, because it has been off power... |
| 13:28.40 | nyk2005 | justin: I check the bios.. |
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| 13:29.06 | bogdanbivi | Could you help me figure it out? |
| 13:29.20 | nyk2005 | justin: maybe the bios setting change to default, because the machine is so old and back the USB wasn on by default |
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| 13:29.42 | nyk2005 | justin: no idea about power, I'm trying to remotely control an canon ixus |
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| 13:32.00 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: if I may repeat myself, |
| 13:32.00 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> Hyperzid: you can echo the new iosched type into that file, but it might make the system unstable esp. if it's busy |
| 13:32.23 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: so echo noop > /sys/block/foo/queue/scheduler |
| 13:32.31 | ethanol | how can I check if the ip_conntrack module is loaded? (and also on reboot) |
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| 13:34.10 | LtL | ethanol: lsmod in a terminal |
| 13:34.31 | ethanol | right so it's not loaded |
| 13:34.36 | ethanol | I use modprobe to load it, right? |
| 13:34.50 | engla | hi, aptitude show $PKG is much much slower than apt-cache show $PKG; however the latter is not localized. Is it possible to have both? Quick and translated? |
| 13:34.50 | LtL | ethanol: correct |
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| 13:34.59 | ethanol | but then on reboot, it won't be automatically reloaded, correct also? |
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| 13:36.02 | LtL | ethanol: if it isnn't recognized on boot, it will probably not load, correct. |
| 13:36.11 | ethanol | how can I make sure it is? |
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| 13:37.04 | eoliva | In kde4 using Kwin, can I change the title bar like using compiz+emerald? |
| 13:37.06 | LtL | ethanol: dmesg will show details, you could add the module by editting /etc/modules |
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| 13:37.30 | ethanol | LtL: that file currently only contains 'loop' |
| 13:38.12 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.33 | ethanol | I see, I gather all the other modules that are loaded currently are loaded by default? |
| 13:38.56 | ethanol | thus I should only add ip_conntrack to /etc/modules |
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| 13:39.12 | LtL | ethanol: yes, dmesg will show modules that load as devices are probed on boot. |
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| 13:39.46 | ethanol | thanks :) |
| 13:39.58 | LtL | ethanol: if it modprobes ok, then it should be ok to add it to /etc/modules |
| 13:40.02 | bogdanbivi | Let me rephrase that: The repositoy for lenny-backports is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny-backports main contrib"? |
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| 13:40.58 | jelly-home | bogdanbivi: no. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:42.13 | jelly-home | eoliva: heyum, where did you find emerald for debian? |
| 13:43.18 | eoliva | jelly, in the old shames repository |
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| 13:45.09 | jelly-home | eoliva: does that still work, care to paste the deb line? |
| 13:45.16 | ethanol | LtL: yeah modprobe loaded it fine |
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| 13:45.31 | ethanol | LtL: ip_conntrack is merely an extension for ip_tables, which is already loaded |
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| 13:46.32 | LtL | ethanol: then it should load at boot time, I don't know. |
| 13:46.43 | eoliva | jelly-home, it's working...actually I'm using Debian Sid with the emerald from shames repo: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
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| 13:47.07 | ethanol | LtL: me neither. but then again, this mailserver is quite old |
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| 13:47.16 | bilou042 | hell |
| 13:47.17 | bilou042 | o |
| 13:47.24 | cire | I am using pam_mount (1.32-1) and everything worked fine. Now I get segfaults when trying to log in. Debug: http://www.pastebin.ca/1646469 |
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| 13:47.52 | LtL | ethanol: I've heard of that module, don't know anything about it though, sorry |
| 13:48.17 | ethanol | LtL: it simply allows for -m conntrack in iptables rules :) |
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| 13:49.03 | ethanol | LtL: I'm setting up some new configs for our servers that are going to be moved soon; http://pastie.org/673290 |
| 13:49.17 | LtL | ethanol: google to be sure, but /etc/modules should be fine |
| 13:49.28 | ethanol | LtL: yeah seems fine to me so far :) |
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| 13:50.03 | nyk2005 | justin: But I see "new USB high speed device detected" each time I plug in the camera. So what can be the problem? |
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| 13:50.17 | justin | nyk2005: maybe there isn't a problem? |
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| 13:50.50 | nyk2005 | justin: but I don't see the camera using lsusb and using my remote-control driver that works on the other machine.. |
| 13:51.21 | jelly-home | eoliva: thanks, I'd used some other tuxfamily.org repos a few years back (trevinho?) but they ceased to be. |
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| 14:13.33 | junk | Problem: Php5 doesn't autosupport MySQL... how to recompile it so that it does? |
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| 14:13.49 | abrotman | junk: install php5-mysql |
| 14:13.56 | junk | k ty |
| 14:14.08 | junk | ffs took me like 20 mins to google for that and find nothing usefull... |
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| 14:14.35 | abrotman | !search |
| 14:14.35 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 14:14.36 | bogdanbiv | I feel like I miss something: How can I tell if ruby gems package is in main, contrib, or non-free? |
| 14:14.52 | abrotman | junk: so like aptitude search php5 mysql |
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| 14:14.54 | bogdanbiv | I don't understand much from here: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/rubygems |
| 14:15.15 | junk | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:16.48 | FalscherHase | hi. sparc kernel images don't contain the ipmi_* modules. where can i find out why not? |
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| 14:18.15 | junk | abrotman: it worked! thanks a bunch :D |
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| 14:18.58 | abrotman | junk: like i would lie? |
| 14:19.14 | abrotman | FalscherHase: probably have better luck in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:19.48 | junk | abrotman: no lol! was just to thank you |
| 14:19.54 | FalscherHase | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 14:20.05 | KTL | i got a small issue: the system speaker seems to be disappearing in newer systems and i like to have a reliable beep sound |
| 14:20.08 | justin | FalscherHase: ipmi is an intel thing, isn't it? |
| 14:20.40 | justin | FalscherHase: ah, newer sun hardware supports it, nevermind :) |
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| 14:21.06 | FalscherHase | justin: mmh :) seems i have to read more about it |
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| 14:21.21 | wtfjavabbq | hey, which java package gives the best performing browswer plugin? |
| 14:21.54 | wtfjavabbq | sun-jre, openjdk-jre, gcj-jre? |
| 14:22.08 | N3tw0rK | any reason why AMD64 would be showing 2x the number of processors "cores" that are really in the system? |
| 14:22.34 | N3tw0rK | wtfjavabbq: i havnt had any problems with openjdk |
| 14:22.41 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: i doubt you are reading this correctly |
| 14:23.07 | N3tw0rK | cat /proc/cpuinfo show 16 processors rather than 8 |
| 14:23.22 | radoe_ | N3tw0rK: pastebin it. |
| 14:23.23 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: so? |
| 14:23.38 | hanshans | hi all, is there something like /proc/cpuinfo for mainboard (where can i get information about mainboard built in)? |
| 14:23.38 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: i said I doubt you are reading this correctly, repeating does not fix that |
| 14:24.02 | valdyn | hanshans: dmidecode |
| 14:24.14 | hanshans | valdyn: thx |
| 14:24.39 | valdyn | hanshans: but a mainboard is not one logical device in any sense |
| 14:24.39 | clarjon1 | sees only 2 processors in his /proc/cpuinfo, and he's on amd64 |
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| 14:24.46 | valdyn | hanshans: its quite a few devices soldered together |
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| 14:25.52 | hanshans | valdyn: i just need the type and manufacturer of mainboard in order to look for compatible RAM |
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| 14:28.30 | N3tw0rK | http://pastebin.com/m318a6d00 |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | N3tw0rK: use the BIOS, turn off hyperthreading |
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| 14:30.07 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: look at each "physical id:" |
| 14:30.07 | wtfjavabbq | i thought you said those were amd chips |
| 14:30.14 | valdyn | nevyn: not the count of virtual cores |
| 14:30.18 | N3tw0rK | did not realize the nehalem's had ht..... |
| 14:30.25 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: not the number of virtual cores |
| 14:30.38 | N3tw0rK | wtfjavabbq: no i said i was running AMD64 |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | wtfjavabbq: he said 'AMD64' .. meaning the architecture of his packages |
| 14:30.52 | wtfjavabbq | ah i miss read it |
| 14:31.08 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: and "cpu cores: 4" per physical cpu |
| 14:31.16 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: and "siblings: 8" |
| 14:31.25 | valdyn | nevyn: you do have ht , you do have 4 cores per cpu |
| 14:31.29 | valdyn | ffs |
| 14:31.32 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: ^^ |
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| 14:32.02 | N3tw0rK | but without ht it should only show 4 core per cpu rather than 8 |
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| 14:32.30 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: yes, but ht is not disabled |
| 14:33.37 | N3tw0rK | in the past ive disabled it with *nix , guess ill run it with and without to see if there is a performance diffrence |
| 14:33.57 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: linux should know about it and use it properly |
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| 14:34.11 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: which would mean that ht is better than no ht |
| 14:35.12 | N3tw0rK | valdyn: i was just reading up on it, intel claims its nothing like their prev. attempts at HT |
| 14:35.52 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: im not sure that makes any difference as to how linux kernel has to treat the cores |
| 14:36.34 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: ht just means that a process has to be in a real core if available and only if that is not free on a virtual core |
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| 14:38.20 | N3tw0rK | valdyn: thanks, im going to run it for a while; ive got 11 of them in a cluster, going to run benchmarking with and without HT see what happens |
| 14:39.04 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: now a cluster makes this complicated... the kernel cannot distribute processes perfectly, you have to |
| 14:39.22 | valdyn | N3tw0rK: unless you have like no ipc... |
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| 14:44.11 | N3tw0rK | i will be testing diffrent versions of MPI |
| 14:44.48 | krew | hello |
| 14:46.21 | krew | I want install Debian from MICRO-SD and i have unetbootin but i don't know untbootin pls help me!!! |
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| 14:55.00 | krew | I don't install unetbooting help me |
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| 14:55.01 | N3tw0rK | krew: try a diffrent approach, you might get a response |
| 14:55.01 | krew | what? |
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| 19:24.32 | ranix | apt: welcome back |
| 19:24.33 | apt | [all in unison] Hi, back! |
| 19:24.48 | ranix | he's a little daft, these days |
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| 19:25.09 | greycat | if he's doing a fresh install of potato, it's definitely not supportable |
| 19:25.35 | valdyn | Maulkin: damn, i need a sheevaplug |
| 19:25.40 | mjt | used to use potato on PIII and PII machines... |
| 19:25.42 | valdyn | MarkGil: ^^ |
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| 19:26.05 | stone | huhu |
| 19:26.28 | ranix | I had a k6-266 that ran potato for awhile |
| 19:26.40 | ranix | amazingly useful |
| 19:26.51 | sthon | I think I still have a potato box somewhere |
| 19:26.54 | ranix | woody was much better, though |
| 19:27.54 | greycat | oldest running Debian systems I have are sarge (3.1) |
| 19:28.02 | sthon | I should track that down, if it's still running it must have a hell of an uptime |
| 19:28.29 | stone | Does someone of you have expierience with µuhub? |
| 19:28.33 | MarkGil | valdyn: Just in the process of binning everything lighttpd and apache2 from my system (including configs using --purge) and will try again. What I did was no difference procedure-wise to how I set it up on Ubuntu. (the reason I have moved from Ubuntu to Debian, is they are dropping ARMV5 support with the Karmic release) |
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| 19:28.50 | valdyn | MarkGil: yea |
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| 19:30.08 | stone | guys? |
| 19:30.29 | stone | have noone expierences with uhub????? |
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| 19:33.28 | MarkGil | valdyn: OK, back running again on port 80 basic configuration. Will enable SSL and fastcgi and see if that is where things go awry |
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| 19:41.11 | flower | is it possible to backport kernels? |
| 19:41.35 | sthon | sure |
| 19:41.35 | JordiGH | Sure, in fact, it happens. |
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| 19:43.59 | Titan8990 | judd, kernels |
| 19:43.59 | judd | Titan8990: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:43.59 | sthon | there's already a lot of backported kernels |
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| 19:43.59 | flower | thanks, is there a howto or something how to do that? |
| 19:44.00 | Titan8990 | !tell flower about bpo |
| 19:44.00 | valdyn | flower: you dont need to backport kernels usually |
| 19:44.00 | Titan8990 | flower, no different than installing some other backport, check your PM from dpkg |
| 19:44.00 | flower | installing ok, but building? |
| 19:44.00 | Titan8990 | its pre-compiled... otherwise you would just get it off kernel.org |
| 19:44.00 | valdyn | uh |
| 19:44.01 | Snadder | Does it work to boot debian up on another mainboard than it was installed on? |
| 19:44.01 | valdyn | flower: theres multiple ways to do this, but you should just use a precompiled kernel, theres plenty |
| 19:44.01 | greycat | Snadder: usually. depends on the differences between the two machines. |
| 19:44.14 | Titan8990 | Snadder, typically but you may have issues with /etc/fstab and menu.lst |
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| 19:44.24 | flower | valdyn: can you point me to the ways? |
| 19:44.27 | Titan8990 | or other configs that point to hard drive device names or UUIDs |
| 19:44.43 | valdyn | flower: wiki.debian.org |
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| 19:46.13 | greycat | linux 2.6 configuration became so incredibly complex that I gave up ever building my own kernels again. |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | it takes me an hour or so to slog through a 2.6 kernel config. this is not reasonable. |
| 19:46.37 | Titan8990 | only knew 2.6 configuration... |
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| 19:47.04 | valdyn | Titan8990: 2.6 already changed more over time than 2.4->2.6.1 |
| 19:48.04 | Titan8990 | well, probably has not changed much for me.... my first custom built kernel was 2.6.27 |
| 19:48.13 | valdyn | very annoying if you miss debugging features just because you dont know better |
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| 19:48.54 | Titan8990 | lol I guess I don't because I would typically remove most of the kernel debugging options |
| 19:49.11 | valdyn | Titan8990: most of them dont take cpu time and hardly take any ram |
| 19:50.02 | Titan8990 | I think the "help" on those options may be misleading if it is in fact useful to an end-user or administrator |
| 19:50.17 | valdyn | Titan8990: yes |
| 19:51.13 | Titan8990 | anyways... last custom kernel worked out very nice. I managed to tweak boot time down to under 10secs running apache (from grub prompt) |
| 19:51.41 | Titan8990 | I would like to go back and research that some more to find out if my performance increase was a result of minimalistic configuration or optimized CFLAGS |
| 19:51.56 | valdyn | Titan8990: CFLAGs is largely nonsense for the kernel |
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| 19:52.04 | valdyn | Titan8990: lucky if they dont break anything |
| 19:52.10 | JordiGH | CFLAGS sounds like !gentoosmite to me. |
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| 19:52.20 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite me |
| 19:52.20 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling titan8990, and when it's all done, titan8990 runs 0.7% faster than previously |
| 19:52.24 | Titan8990 | yes, thats about right |
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| 19:52.49 | Titan8990 | JordiGH, but they are not gentoo specific |
| 19:52.55 | Titan8990 | apt-built supports them |
| 19:53.00 | Titan8990 | err apt-build |
| 19:53.05 | JordiGH | Titan8990: Just attitude about them. :-) |
| 19:53.14 | JordiGH | "The POWAH of CFLAGS!" |
| 19:53.21 | valdyn | hopefully apt-build is sane enough to *not* try CFLAGS on the kernel |
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| 19:53.35 | Titan8990 | apt-build was not very sane from my experience |
| 19:53.37 | valdyn | ( or stupid enough to not manage to even change anything ) |
| 19:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | waves his C-flag |
| 19:54.53 | xMine | hello. iam trying to get the mysqld to work. so, i want to set the password for root: mysqladmin -u root password PASSWORD_HERE but the server says: error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' ... -.- can anyone help me? |
| 19:55.22 | greycat | xMine: you want -u root -p |
| 19:55.59 | Titan8990 | xMine, IIRC the post-configuration of mysql required you enter a password at that time |
| 19:56.37 | Titan8990 | so there should not really be case where root does not yet have a password on mysql in debian |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | He didn't say it doesn't have a password. He's got what I presume is the wrong syntax for his mysqladmin command. |
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| 19:58.16 | greycat | The mysqladmin(1) man page is a bloody mess. |
| 19:58.26 | greycat | So I'm assuming it uses the same options that mysql(1) does. |
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| 19:58.37 | Titan8990 | greycat, i believe that command is supposed to assign a root password |
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| 19:58.46 | xMine | okay, when i do "mysqladmin -u root -p PASSWORD" then i have to enter a password. I've tryed just ENTER, my root pwd and the new pwd and nothing worked :( it always says: Access denied ... |
| 19:58.50 | Titan8990 | greycat, yeah, it is according to this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/default-privileges.html |
| 19:58.55 | greycat | Well, he has to authenticate first, in order to change the password, right> |
| 19:59.18 | Titan8990 | not if there is not an existing password |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | I'd start with "mysql -u root -p" (no option "password" after it -- just -u root -p and nothing else) and make sure he has the correct OLD password just to connect. |
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| 20:00.09 | greycat | Once he can connect, then he can worry about changing things. |
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| 20:00.29 | xMine | but i've not entered a password before... can i reset the pwd in some file or reinstall it? i don't know whats the old pwd - i've set no |
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| 20:00.59 | themill | !mysql initial password |
| 20:00.59 | dpkg | if you've never set a password for mysql before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password> |
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| 20:04.05 | xMine | how does this bot work? I've msg'd him and typed "<forgot mysql root password>" and "forgot mysql root password" but nothing happend? |
| 20:04.17 | abrotman | xMine: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 20:04.35 | abrotman | xMine: it may not respond in that window .. depends on your IRC client config |
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| 20:05.01 | xMine | it doesn't repond at all... |
| 20:05.16 | themill | dpkg: tell xMine about forgot mysql root password |
| 20:05.29 | xMine | thx |
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| 20:05.43 | themill | midas touch ... |
| 20:06.44 | asg | themill: goldmember? |
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| 20:14.27 | xMine | thank you all, mysql runs now fine :) |
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| 20:16.33 | doublehp | i did "aptitude install mrtg mrtg-ping-probe snmp snmpd" ; any one can help me configure it ? i want a graph that will show internet connection uptime based on <home made ping command> or <logs> |
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| 20:18.04 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:18.50 | Titan8990 | doublehp, check out the docs in /usr/share/docs/mrtg/ |
| 20:18.50 | wootR_ | hai, im pretty new to *nix, how would i lock a shell user in a directory |
| 20:18.53 | wootR_ | so he cant even cd out |
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| 20:19.04 | Titan8990 | doublehp, there is a tool that generates the configuration, all the info you need is there |
| 20:20.21 | Titan8990 | wootR_, chroot jail |
| 20:20.42 | Titan8990 | wootR_, never used it before but it looks like "jailer" might be of help |
| 20:20.52 | greycat | I'm pleased to see that restricted shells have mostly been abandoned. |
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| 20:21.00 | bball_ | is there a way to manually configure key bindings for gnome ? |
| 20:21.20 | wootR_ | hmpf |
| 20:21.37 | bball_ | gnome-keybinding-properties segfaults |
| 20:22.00 | bball_ | I don't mind editting the config file by hand but not sure where it is |
| 20:22.07 | markybob | bball_, system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:22.24 | bball_ | markybob: doesn't work :-( |
| 20:22.35 | garo | Is there a 'right' way to change the symlinks in /etc/alternatives (I alway do it manually) |
| 20:22.42 | greycat | update-alternatives --config |
| 20:22.44 | bball_ | (gnome-keybinding-properties:9304): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_store_get_value: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store)' failed |
| 20:22.51 | garo | thanks |
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| 20:23.15 | doublehp | Titan8990: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.36 | greycat | doublehp: /usr/share/doc/ not docs/ |
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| 20:23.46 | aaron__ | hey i have a queston how do i bring the eth1 up |
| 20:23.59 | greycat | aaron__: edit /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup eth1 |
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| 20:24.04 | ozzonn | Hello, is there any one that knows about using debconf for packages (dpkg-deb --build method) ? |
| 20:24.23 | aaron__ | HMM |
| 20:24.26 | aaron__ | let me try that greycat |
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| 20:25.15 | aaron__ | greycat im getthing this error IGNORING unkwon interface eth1=eth1. |
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| 20:25.47 | greycat | !interfaces |
| 20:25.48 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 20:25.56 | sthon | aaron__: is eth1 defined in your interfaces file? |
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| 20:26.04 | aaron__ | yes it is' |
| 20:26.22 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 20:26.22 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | # The loopback network interface |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | auto eth1 |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | # The primary network interface |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 20:26.47 | aaron__ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 20:27.02 | aaron__ | that's what i have in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:27.11 | sthon | aaron__: you don't have eth1 defined |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | aaron__: you can't paste that much here. we didn't even see it all, likely. |
| 20:27.20 | sthon | are you going to use dhcp? |
| 20:27.21 | sthon | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 20:27.33 | aaron__ | yes |
| 20:27.42 | greycat | aaron__: if you missed it, /msg dpkg man interface |
| 20:27.46 | greycat | aaron__: if you missed it, /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 20:28.19 | aaron__ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:28.22 | aaron__ | something like that? |
| 20:28.50 | Titan8990 | anyone remember the dpkg command (the bot) to report total packages in the repos? |
| 20:28.58 | sthon | under auto eth1 add iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 20:29.07 | aaron__ | any help please? |
| 20:29.14 | greycat | aaron__: you've been told, like, 4 times now. |
| 20:29.16 | themill | Titan8990: dstats |
| 20:29.40 | Supaplex | irssi, please welcome aaron__ to the powers of regex and /ignore. \o/ |
| 20:29.52 | aaron__ | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 20:29.54 | doublehp | Titan8990: does mrtg depend on snmp ? all tutos i find use snmpd , and snmp is always the point where i get lost |
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| 20:30.06 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:30.10 | greycat | aaron__: do you actually HAVE an eth1 device? |
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| 20:30.20 | aaron__ | yes i do |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | aaron__: does it appear when you type "ifconfig -a"? |
| 20:30.24 | aaron__ | i have my ethernet |
| 20:30.26 | sthon | lol |
| 20:30.40 | sthon | do you have 2 NIC's? |
| 20:30.41 | mikejet | how do I prevent output going to /var/log/messages from being dumped on the console? |
| 20:30.42 | aaron__ | nope it aprears eth0 |
| 20:30.50 | greycat | aaron__: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:30.53 | aaron__ | nope i have a wireless card |
| 20:31.07 | aaron__ | greycat trying to connect with my ethernet card |
| 20:31.11 | eoliva | does anybody has managed to install and run without error VMWare Server 2 in Squeeze? |
| 20:31.13 | ozzonn | mikejet, kernel messages ? |
| 20:31.17 | greycat | It sounds like you're trying to make a WIRELESS card work. |
| 20:31.25 | aaron__ | nope |
| 20:31.32 | aaron__ | the wireless card is working already |
| 20:31.37 | greycat | aaron__: why do you think eth0 is not your ethernet device? Did you check dmesg? |
| 20:31.44 | aaron__ | I'm trying to get connected it via ethernet |
| 20:31.48 | mikejet | ozzonn, yes |
| 20:32.24 | gothenburg | :D |
| 20:32.40 | ozzonn | mikejet, echo 0 > /proc/sysrq_trigger (see /etc/sysctl.conf to set this at boot) |
| 20:32.45 | greycat | aaron__: type "dmesg | less" and find the ethernet device. |
| 20:33.10 | mikejet | ozzonn, okay thanks. |
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| 20:34.40 | greycat | wonders if there's some way under /sys or /proc to find this stuff. Other than "read all of the dmesg output until you find it, then look in the vicinity of that" |
| 20:35.14 | phogg | find what stuff? |
| 20:35.37 | greycat | phogg: aaron__ allegedly has an ethernet device in his computer. He claims it's eth1, but he has no eth1. |
| 20:35.45 | phogg | um |
| 20:35.55 | Titan8990 | you could grep dmesg for 'eth' to make it a bit cleaner |
| 20:35.59 | greycat | phogg: so the task is "help him figure out whether he has a recognized NIC and what it's called" |
| 20:36.12 | phogg | well, either it's somethng else or the driver doesn't exist, doesn't recognize it, or whatever |
| 20:36.14 | greycat | Titan8990: but you may have to read up or down from the point where the kernel emits that string |
| 20:36.24 | valdyn | greycat: sure there is in /sys |
| 20:36.26 | hark | mikejet: look at kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf instead. uncomment it |
| 20:36.33 | phogg | well /sys/class/net is supposed to liss net devices, right? |
| 20:36.53 | phogg | or interfaces, whatever |
| 20:36.56 | greycat | phogg: ah, that's a good start. "class" ... I'll have to try to remember that. |
| 20:36.59 | Wazzzaaa | What is the best way to chroot a user in it's homedir. I only want this for certain users who log in via ssh |
| 20:37.03 | vlt | Hello. Every now and then cron jobs aren't finished. I found this msg in syslog: "sSMTP[11473]: killed: timeout on stdin while reading body -- message saved to dead.letter." Any idea what causes this? |
| 20:37.04 | greycat | I kept lookin in "dev", "devices", etc. |
| 20:37.06 | Titan8990 | hmm... grep -A3 -B3 'eth' |
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| 20:37.15 | Wazzzaaa | I saw there is an openssh patch... |
| 20:37.17 | themill | !which ethernet module |
| 20:37.17 | dpkg | To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}' |
| 20:37.22 | valdyn | greycat: its all symlinked so plenty ways lead there |
| 20:37.31 | greycat | valdyn: yet I couldn't find a one. |
| 20:37.38 | doublehp | greycat: to find what ? |
| 20:37.54 | greycat | doublehp: aaron's alleged ethernet device |
| 20:38.09 | greycat | aaron__: what does "ls /sys/class/net" say? |
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| 20:39.06 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: he cannot log in without a program to run |
| 20:39.09 | phogg | in my experience /sys is mostly only useful for /sys/class... at least for mere mortals. |
| 20:39.34 | Wazzzaaa | sorry, I meant to JAIL a user in its homedir |
| 20:39.34 | hannes| | Hey is there a chance to remove a reported bug from the bug tracking system. Due to the massive spam attacks from showing off the e-mail publicly? |
| 20:39.39 | doublehp | i did "aptitude install mrtg mrtg-ping-probe snmp snmpd" ; any one can help me configure it ? i want a graph that will show internet connection uptime based on <home made ping command> or <logs> |
| 20:39.42 | valdyn | phogg: depends on how you are looking for something |
| 20:39.44 | Wazzzaaa | valdyn: ^^ |
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| 20:40.08 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:40.10 | themill | greycat: also for i in /sys/class/net/*/device ; do echo -n "$i: " ; readlink -f $i/driver; done |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | phogg: you could have a device in lspci, then you would probably go /sys/devices/<bus location>/ |
| 20:40.15 | phogg | valdyn: mere mortals probably don't know any other way to look (-; |
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| 20:40.45 | phogg | as far as I can tell most people can't tell a PCI ID from a MAC. |
| 20:40.52 | valdyn | hehe |
| 20:40.54 | Posterdati | please I need help with kde and a ndas disk. I managed it via autofs, but clicking on the icon won't mount it, only if I perform ls /mnt/ndas |
| 20:41.12 | greycat | themill: aaron hasn't responded to "what does ls /sys/class/net say" yet |
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| 20:41.47 | themill | greycat: yeah... just to answer your question though ;) |
| 20:41.51 | doublehp | greycat: life is full of things we don't do ... |
| 20:41.56 | Titan8990 | Posterdati, you might be confused on what is going on there... ls does not mount a drive |
| 20:42.01 | valdyn | vlt: the program that tried to send mail died |
| 20:42.10 | valdyn | vlt: .. died while it was sending the mail |
| 20:42.25 | valdyn | vlt: im not sure where the relation to CRON is there |
| 20:42.27 | Titan8990 | some DEs may require your mounts be set up in /media (just speculation) |
| 20:43.33 | valdyn | Posterdati: youre using autofs, which mounts on access - so ls works, but your desktop environment does not use autofs |
| 20:43.47 | Posterdati | valdyn: so? |
| 20:44.18 | valdyn | Posterdati: so you need to stop using 2 mechanisms for the same thing |
| 20:44.32 | valdyn | Posterdati: and give us the error given to you by your desktop environment |
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| 20:44.58 | Posterdati | valdyn: |
| 20:45.00 | Posterdati | Could not mount device. |
| 20:45.01 | Posterdati | The reported error was: |
| 20:45.03 | Posterdati | mount: can't find /dev/ndas-01032627-0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 20:45.13 | helo | when a dhcp lease expires, is the lease likely to change IPs for that MAC, or do dhcp servers tend to just re-lease the same IP again if there is no shortage of unallocated IPs in the pool? |
| 20:45.31 | greycat | Usually you will get the same IP again unless there's been a period of disconnection. |
| 20:45.37 | valdyn | Posterdati: which part if that error message is hard to understand? |
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| 20:45.58 | greycat | valdyn: for me it would probably be "where did the ndas-01032627-0 string come from" |
| 20:46.13 | Posterdati | valdyn: I don't want to insert a line in fstab if there's an autofs tool |
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| 20:46.25 | valdyn | Posterdati: now *that* is your problem |
| 20:46.43 | greycat | autofs requires configuration as wlel. |
| 20:46.44 | valdyn | Posterdati: you can ignore the disk icon and just open the mountpoint in your desktop environment |
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| 20:47.02 | Posterdati | valdyn: ah ok |
| 20:47.07 | valdyn | Posterdati: or you can complain to the developers that they dont use autofs ( but thats not going to change anything ) |
| 20:47.22 | valdyn | Posterdati: autofs is not a good solution to this |
| 20:47.36 | greycat | autofs was primarily designed for large corporate/university NFS networks |
| 20:47.49 | aaron | greycat, i'm lost with the ethernet |
| 20:47.54 | Posterdati | valdyn: ok |
| 20:47.54 | aaron | how can i get it to work> |
| 20:47.55 | visof | hello |
| 20:47.56 | valdyn | Posterdati: which desktop environment is this? on which distro? |
| 20:48.00 | greycat | autofs lets you say things like "when a user accesses /matlab I want you to NFS-mount ml1:/foo onto /matlab" |
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| 20:48.06 | Posterdati | valdyn: kde on lenny |
| 20:48.11 | visof | how can i extract or mount bin , cue files ? |
| 20:48.15 | valdyn | Posterdati: i seee |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | aaron: what does "ls /sys/class/net" say? |
| 20:48.28 | valdyn | Posterdati: most everything else is using something more modern now than fstab entries |
| 20:48.33 | themill | !kde automount |
| 20:48.33 | dpkg | To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. |
| 20:48.37 | themill | Posterdati: ^^ |
| 20:48.39 | aaron | eth0 lo pan0 wlan0 wmaster0 |
| 20:48.39 | valdyn | ah that one |
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| 20:48.45 | aaron | that's what it says greycat |
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| 20:48.47 | valdyn | Posterdati: what themill said, thats "more modern" |
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| 20:49.02 | greycat | aaron: ethtool --driver eth0 | head -n 1 |
| 20:49.25 | Posterdati | themill: and ndas is not a plugdev |
| 20:49.42 | aaron | greycat, what does that do? |
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| 20:49.51 | greycat | aaron: trying to determine what piece of hardware eth0 is |
| 20:49.54 | valdyn | Posterdati: what is it? |
| 20:49.58 | aaron | oh ok |
| 20:50.06 | Posterdati | valdyn: is like a nas |
| 20:50.20 | valdyn | Posterdati: why does it have a /dev entry? |
| 20:50.25 | greycat | aaron: if that doesn't work, um... try readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver |
| 20:50.26 | aaron | driver: forcedeth |
| 20:50.29 | valdyn | Posterdati: are you using block device over ethernet ? |
| 20:50.35 | greycat | aaron: OK, so that's the motherboard's built-in NIC. |
| 20:50.36 | Posterdati | valdyn: yes |
| 20:50.41 | valdyn | Posterdati: ok |
| 20:50.46 | valdyn | Posterdati: autofs is good then i suppose |
| 20:50.51 | greycat | aaron: is that the device you were trying to get working? |
| 20:50.53 | aaron | greycat, then what can i do |
| 20:50.58 | aaron | greycat, yes |
| 20:51.00 | mikejet_ | hark: that worked, thanks. |
| 20:51.04 | greycat | aaron: then it's eth0, not eth1. problem solved. |
| 20:51.04 | valdyn | Posterdati: you just dont want to click a disk icon to open it, but the mount point |
| 20:51.13 | aaron | so i do ifup eth0? |
| 20:51.16 | valdyn | Posterdati: and i have nfc how to disable the disk icon in kde |
| 20:51.17 | greycat | right |
| 20:51.25 | aaron | ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 20:51.45 | greycat | aaron: perhaps you have some other problem? something more subtle, like routing? |
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| 20:51.58 | valdyn | Posterdati: maybe you *can* disable the icon by adding a specific fstab entry though |
| 20:52.07 | Wazzzaaa | What is the best way to jail/lock a user in it's homedir? I only want this jail for certain users who log in via ssh |
| 20:52.15 | aaron | greycat, nope the cable is connected it directly to the modem i'm not using no routers |
| 20:52.32 | Titan8990 | Wazzzaaa, check out jailer |
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| 20:52.38 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: i already asked you which programs that user is supposed to run |
| 20:52.50 | benedikt | I have a NVIDIA integrated laptop card (go series). Fn+F8 is supposed to flip between displays but nothing happens. It is supposed to generate an ACPI event that the driver catches. acpi_listen does not detect anything. For reference; it workw with ubuntu and gives this acpi event: video VID 00000080 00000000 |
| 20:52.53 | greycat | aaron: But you have a wireless network also set up, so perhaps you have your default gateway set to the wireless device, and what you wanted was to point it to eth0 instead? |
| 20:53.12 | aaron | nope i want the eth0 to point to my modem |
| 20:53.21 | Wazzzaaa | that was nog clear to me valdyn, I want the user just to connect en download/upload files. |
| 20:53.36 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: you can just use "scponly" |
| 20:53.38 | greycat | aaron: well, if the modem acts as a DHCP server (many of them do), then you should be all set. |
| 20:53.39 | aaron | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 |
| 20:53.42 | aaron | is not picking up anything |
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| 20:53.49 | greycat | aaron: what kind of modem is it? |
| 20:53.54 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: or you can use scponly plus jailer |
| 20:54.05 | aaron | greycat, i don't kknow is from comcast |
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| 20:54.17 | Wazzzaaa | valdyn: thnx, I'll look into that |
| 20:54.22 | Posterdati | valdyn: no I don't want to disable the icon, I'd like to use it to access the ndas media |
| 20:54.35 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: in any case scponly is the main and better security mechanism |
| 20:54.36 | greycat | aaron: was it configured to talk only to some other machine? |
| 20:54.49 | valdyn | Wazzzaaa: the jail adds very little to that |
| 20:54.50 | aaron | no |
| 20:54.53 | greycat | comcast is a cable company, right? so this is a cable modem, and not a DSL modem? |
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| 20:55.14 | valdyn | Posterdati: its not a media as soon as you use autofs |
| 20:55.21 | Titan8990 | greycat, don't get confused.... comcast now gives out router/modem combos like DSL companies do |
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| 20:55.39 | valdyn | Posterdati: that may sound confusing... but autofs doesnt mount via device but via mount point access as i told you |
| 20:55.42 | Posterdati | valdyn: but kde won't handle it without autofs |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | if it's a cable modem then I might not have a clue what to do about it |
| 20:55.48 | aaron | is cable greycat |
| 20:55.56 | valdyn | Posterdati: sure it will, it told you to use fstab |
| 20:56.00 | greycat | aaron: you may have to configure it in some way. |
| 20:56.05 | Posterdati | valdyn: ok |
| 20:56.09 | Titan8990 | greycat, they call them "internet gateways".... produced by motorolla, similar to the crappy netopias that AT&T gives out |
| 20:56.14 | aaron | how greycat ? |
| 20:56.18 | Posterdati | valdyn: but what if the device is offline? |
| 20:56.22 | valdyn | Posterdati: or via what themill said ( doesnt matter that its not really a pluggable device ) |
| 20:56.23 | vlt | valdyn: CRON seems to send me an email whenever there's output from the cron job. How can I prevent aborting the cron job? |
| 20:56.36 | valdyn | Posterdati: then you should not see the disk icon |
| 20:56.39 | benedikt | vlt: add the line MAILTO="" in the crontab |
| 20:56.42 | Posterdati | valdyn: I've got kio plugins |
| 20:57.09 | valdyn | Posterdati: i have a decent general idea how this works, i know nothing kde - specific though |
| 20:57.25 | valdyn | vlt: umm? |
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| 20:57.37 | valdyn | benedikt: WHAT? |
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| 20:58.00 | valdyn | vlt: i dont know why your cronjob is failing or your cron is failing |
| 20:58.02 | benedikt | valdyn: then crontab doesnt send emails. Wich is what he/she was asking for. |
| 20:58.09 | valdyn | benedikt: no hes not |
| 20:58.13 | benedikt | or at leats thats what i understood. |
| 20:58.22 | benedikt | valdyn: oh, then disregard that. |
| 20:58.38 | valdyn | benedikt: he just doesnt want his cron or whatever to crash while its sending a mail |
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| 20:59.22 | melissa | how would one find drivers for a webcam with just the lsusb output? |
| 20:59.23 | PovAddict | when I installed Debian, I told it not to set a password for root |
| 20:59.29 | PovAddict | so I use sudo |
| 20:59.34 | valdyn | vlt: maybe you just rebooted at that point or had a power outage or watever resulting in dead.letter |
| 20:59.36 | Posterdati | valdyn: it works, thanks |
| 20:59.41 | benedikt | PovAddict: hey -- you had a nvidia integrated laptop card ? |
| 20:59.45 | PovAddict | however, KDE uses kdesu, and asks me for root's password |
| 20:59.47 | valdyn | Posterdati: nice |
| 20:59.54 | Posterdati | valdyn: I added a line in /etc/fstab |
| 20:59.57 | PovAddict | how do I make it use kdesudo instead? |
| 20:59.58 | PovAddict | benedikt: I don't have a laptop |
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| 21:00.06 | Posterdati | valdyn: /dev/ndas-01032627-0 /media/ndas0 auto user 0 2 |
| 21:00.11 | Posterdati | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:00.17 | Posterdati | themill: thanks |
| 21:00.19 | benedikt | PovAddict: ah. thanks anyways. |
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| 21:00.46 | themill | Posterdati: man kdesu -- you can tell it to use sudo instead |
| 21:00.47 | melissa | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0471:0328 Philips <--The webcam in question |
| 21:01.06 | Posterdati | themill: what? |
| 21:01.11 | themill | gah |
| 21:01.15 | themill | PovAddict: man kdesu -- you can tell it to use sudo instead |
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| 21:01.53 | PovAddict | themill: for example in dolphin, I right click a folder, Properties, Share tab, click Configure sharing, and it pops kdesu |
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| 21:02.03 | PovAddict | other parts of kde system prefs try to get root too |
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| 21:02.47 | PovAddict | so how would I change what *that* runs? |
| 21:02.59 | PovAddict | and I can't find how to tell kdesu to use sudo instead anyway... |
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| 21:03.07 | PovAddict | I guess there is a separate "kdesudo" program for a reason |
| 21:03.18 | valdyn | Posterdati: which kde version is this? |
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| 21:03.42 | valdyn | Posterdati: nm, guess dolphin is version 4 |
| 21:03.55 | PovAddict | pokes valdyn's shoulder |
| 21:04.05 | valdyn | Posterdati: you can give yourself permissions do specific things by using kdes polkit editor |
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| 21:05.44 | PovAddict | http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/11/kdesu-with-sudo.html |
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| 21:06.35 | themill | PovAddict: man kdesu tells me to do exactly that, yes. |
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| 21:07.03 | PovAddict | my man kdesu doesn't mention sudo anywhere |
| 21:07.18 | PovAddict | Jun 7, 2005 |
| 21:07.30 | PovAddict | but all of KDE docs are outdated as hell... |
| 21:07.35 | vlt | benedikt: Thank you, I'll try that. |
| 21:07.37 | PovAddict | konqueror help is from 2002! |
| 21:07.53 | themill | PovAddict: so try that out, but it is from KDE3.5... |
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| 21:08.01 | benedikt | vlt: are you referring to my "MAILTO="" " line? that just stops cron from sedning yhou an email, i think i misunderstood you. |
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| 21:12.23 | themill | PovAddict: if that doesn't work, try #debian-kde on oftc -- they might know more about kde4. |
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| 21:14.45 | PovAddict | that worked, yeah |
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| 21:15.00 | igothemhandsboi | Is there any version of debian that provides an option to install on ext4?, and also which installs grub2 instead of grub legacy by default? |
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| 21:15.01 | PovAddict | but the button was trying to get root to then launch a prefs panel that *I didn't install* |
| 21:15.05 | PovAddict | so it failed *silently* |
| 21:15.17 | doublehp | any one can help me setting up mrtg ? |
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| 21:15.55 | PovAddict | and now it tells me I need either samba or nfs installed first |
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| 21:16.19 | vlt | benedikt: The problem seems to be the mail sending process. It aborts after a timeout on stdin and kill the running vron job too. Maybe it works after adding MAILTO="". |
| 21:16.35 | benedikt | vlt: can you send mail at all ? |
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| 21:16.47 | benedikt | anybody using a laptop with an nvidia card ? |
| 21:16.59 | Arrowmaster | igothemhandsboi: testing netinst can |
| 21:17.57 | vlt | benedikt: Yes, that works. And short cron jobs with output on stdout are reported by mail. The job that isn't finished nearly every night runs about 20 minutes. |
| 21:18.43 | vlt | benedikt: I'm using laptop and nvidia (with ubuntu though) |
| 21:19.16 | benedikt | vlt: not sure i understood you. the job runs every night, you can send mail in everything but cron? |
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| 21:19.42 | benedikt | vlt: too bad. i would need help/comaring with somebody with debian. it works fine when using ubuntu over here. |
| 21:20.12 | vlt | benedikt: I can send mail. Also from command line. Cron can send mails too. It only aborts when the cronjob runs too long. |
| 21:20.42 | vlt | benedikt: ... or reaches a timeout for output to stdout |
| 21:20.57 | benedikt | vlt: so cron aborts when it has run for over 20 minus? i doubt that has only to do with mail |
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| 21:22.20 | vlt | benedikt: cron aborts sometimes after 5 minutes. I think cron's child process ssmtp kills itself when that timeout is reached. |
| 21:23.07 | bball_ | is it possible to create a borderless gnome-terminal window ? |
| 21:23.54 | benedikt | vlt: ah. then try the MAILTO="" and if you need mail then pipe the stdout and/or stderr to mail. i have written a program in python that only sends mail if there is an output on stderr if that might be helpful. and if it works, you shoudl try to figure out what is going wrong. |
| 21:24.13 | PovAddict | I fixed my plasma problem |
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| 21:25.07 | formfactor | Hi, I have an old debian machine that I didn't set up (the guy who did is long gone). It obviously has an iptables script (because my changes to iptables don't stick for very long), but I can't find it. rc.local is empty.. where else can i look? |
| 21:25.44 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.23 | dkr | formfactor: grep -r iptables /etc |
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| 21:29.49 | benedikt | formfactor: do your changes disappear on reboot or every once in a while? |
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| 21:30.18 | formfactor | benedikt, without reboot, but i'm not sure if it happens once every 24 hours or more often than that. |
| 21:30.40 | benedikt | formfactor: have you checked crontabs and the /etc/cron.daily and so on? |
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| 21:31.27 | benedikt | I have a NVIDIA integrated laptop card (go series). Fn+F8 is supposed to flip between displays but nothing happens. It is supposed to generate an ACPI event that the driver catches. acpi_listen does not detect anything. For reference; it workw with ubuntu and gives this acpi event: video VID 00000080 00000000 |
| 21:31.31 | formfactor | benedikt, nope, doing so now. |
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| 21:31.39 | gionnico | what's the best IDE for C (CLI and GUI) ? |
| 21:32.12 | benedikt | formfactor: could also be in /etc/rc.* But that would explain if its run systematicly |
| 21:32.17 | benedikt | gionnico: vim and gcc :) |
| 21:32.31 | benedikt | or gedit |
| 21:32.36 | formfactor | thanks |
| 21:32.51 | benedikt | gionnico: youc ould try code::blocks though. ive never liked it, but some do. |
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| 21:33.32 | [Work]Ninja | so.. my wifes monitor broke on her laptop... I hooked it up to a lcd screen, but its not switching, what can I do to fix this? I can barely see the screen |
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| 21:34.13 | gionnico | benedikt: ok thanks |
| 21:36.02 | jelly-home | [Work]Ninja: can you log in remotely via ssh? |
| 21:36.25 | dkr | [Work]Ninja: "not switching" automatically you mean? a lot of laptops have a function key you can use to switch monitor output |
| 21:36.47 | jelly-home | [Work]Ninja: depending on which graphics card and driver is in use, there may be different ways to enable the second screen |
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| 21:36.59 | dkr | uhm, wait a minute... "barely"? so the output is going to the right place, the screen is just dim? |
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| 21:38.14 | jelly-home | [Work]Ninja: it if was an intel, I'd say to go and try typing in "xrandr --output VGA --auto" blindly |
| 21:38.43 | benedikt | nina: if you can barely see the picture then its the backlight that is broken. the screen itself is fine. |
| 21:39.22 | Snadder | How do I see what kinda mainboard brand I have? |
| 21:39.40 | jelly-home | Snadder: use lshw or dmidecode |
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| 21:40.41 | teliti | How to create a locale for de_DE? |
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| 21:41.41 | Snadder | jelly-home: thanks :-) |
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| 21:44.02 | Snadder | jelly-home: about the san disks which needs a noop io scheduler.. You said earlier today.. Do you know if all sans needs that?.. I heard that its possible to configure some sans to not schedule io |
| 21:44.19 | [Work]Ninja | ok, I can get the screen to come up, but it only comes up during boot as soon as it goes to gdm it goes back to the laptop screen only, I'm not sure I can ssh to it, I never set it up from there. I tried the fn+video key, but it does nothing |
| 21:44.47 | benedikt | nina: alt+f2 ? |
| 21:45.06 | teliti | I do have a problem with KDE, it does not display the "Umlaut" (ä, ö, ü). "locale -a" tells me that theres only en_US! |
| 21:45.11 | [Work]Ninja | ok that got me to a readable screen on the lcd benedikt |
| 21:45.14 | benedikt | nina: i mean ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 21:45.33 | [Work]Ninja | benedikt: yeah I knew what you meant :) |
| 21:45.38 | benedikt | cool |
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| 21:46.00 | [Work]Ninja | jelly-home: what would the xrandr do? |
| 21:46.27 | Tramp | !tell teliti -about locales |
| 21:46.39 | [Work]Ninja | also, the screen is shattered but held togehter by the cover that goes over it, I get about an inch wide by full screen height in readable space on the laptop screen |
| 21:46.43 | teliti | Tramp: thx |
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| 21:46.49 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:46.53 | [Work]Ninja | oh, jelly-home nvm about the xrandr, its an amd |
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| 21:54.21 | neiljp | I'm looking for some advice on using mpd and streaming the data over wireless from a smbfs/cifs NAS; this has been working fine, but now whenever the music starts, it skips badly and pings go from ~ms to ~100+ms :( anyone any ideas of fixes or places to look? |
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| 21:55.21 | doublehp | neiljp: #mpd |
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| 21:57.47 | benedikt | I have a NVIDIA integrated laptop card (go series). Fn+F8 is supposed to flip between displays but nothing happens. It is supposed to generate an ACPI event that the driver catches. acpi_listen does not detect anything. For reference; it workw with ubuntu and gives this acpi event: video VID 00000080 00000000 |
| 21:58.39 | JPT | mh... isn't it part of the video driver to interpret fn+f8? |
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| 21:58.57 | PovAddict | yes, that's what he said :P |
| 21:59.40 | benedikt | JPT: yes. But fn+f8 doesnt send out the acpi event at all. |
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| 22:00.21 | JPT | i hate this... i don't even know what parts of software shall work with fn+<something>... |
| 22:00.28 | paxcoder | dpkg doesn't know what android is |
| 22:00.28 | dpkg | paxcoder: are you using Windows? |
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| 22:00.39 | PovAddict | lol |
| 22:00.48 | benedikt | JPT: me neither. thats what i am trying to figure out. Could it be the kernel? or some acpi module ? |
| 22:01.46 | PovAddict | maybe your *keyboard* is handling it! generating a special kind of interrupt which the kernel should read as an acpi event |
| 22:01.49 | PovAddict | instead of a keypress |
| 22:01.57 | JPT | mh... acpi... |
| 22:02.07 | JPT | well...acpi is more a kernel thing |
| 22:02.24 | PovAddict | well I pulled that idea out my ass |
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| 22:02.43 | benedikt | PovAddict: intresting idea. i need to narrow this down somehow. only thing google finds is a messeage on a dell mailing list telling me that if its a nvidia card then the driver catches an acpi event. |
| 22:02.55 | benedikt | acpi works fine, reports when i pull out one of the batteries. |
| 22:03.53 | helo | your mom |
| 22:04.35 | benedikt | JPT: but it doesnt catch anything when i use the *keyboard* to change hte brightness. (but the brigntess changes just fine, maybe gnome is catching it somehow). Could this be relevant? |
| 22:05.07 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:05.20 | JPT | changing brightness is more hardware stuff |
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| 22:05.52 | JPT | the inverters that supply the tft backlight are just supplied with a different voltage |
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| 22:06.16 | benedikt | fair point |
| 22:06.51 | JPT | i managed to repair a tft screen with broken backlight supply...this way i learned a bit about how this stuff works :) |
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| 22:07.12 | mikejet | how do I make NTP only bind to a single IP:123 ? |
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| 22:08.55 | benedikt | JPT: how did you repair it? i thought a broken inverter was not reparable? |
| 22:09.25 | JPT | well..i ordered some inverter boards and supplied them with 12V of my computer power supply.. |
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| 22:10.55 | doublehp | how do I re-install a package and get back default /etc files ? |
| 22:11.44 | JPT | doublehp: it might be enough to uninstall with --purge flag and then install it again |
| 22:11.57 | benedikt | or manualy rm the stuff in /etc |
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| 22:12.19 | doublehp | that's what i did: rm; but after reinstall, default config is not in etc any more |
| 22:13.06 | PovAddict | maybe because apt thinks *your* config is still there |
| 22:13.11 | PovAddict | so it avoids overwriting it |
| 22:13.17 | sepult | doublehp: u use apt-get install --reinstall -o |
| 22:13.17 | sepult | APT::DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" package maybe |
| 22:13.18 | PovAddict | uninstall with purge |
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| 22:14.26 | doublehp | sepult 's solution seems the best to me ... trying |
| 22:15.14 | Ramendik | Hello. I have Lenny, and cups from distro. I have set up a nice printer nHP_Deskjet_F2200_series_USB_1, it prints from Mozilla and shows in lpstatamed |
| 22:15.14 | igothemhandsboi | hoi debian, i know you cool and all, and you great operating system, and imma let you finish, but ubuntu is one of the greatest operating systems of all times! |
| 22:15.40 | Ramendik | in lpstat... BUT when I try lpr -PHP_Deskjet_F2200_series_USB_1it says : lpr: HP_Deskjet_F2200_series_USB_1: unknown printer |
| 22:15.55 | benedikt | igothemhandsboi: are you black? |
| 22:15.59 | Ramendik | So - I do have that printer but lpr says unknown printer |
| 22:16.02 | sepult | doublehp: you can cd to /var/cache/apt/archives if your package |
| 22:16.02 | sepult | is cached there and do a dpkg -i --force-confmiss pacakge.deb instead |
| 22:16.02 | sepult | if that's easier ... |
| 22:16.11 | Ramendik | how do I fix this? (The issue causes wine to fail to print) |
| 22:16.13 | dotCOMmie | whats up with xen-utils-3.4 and xen-utils-unstable? Is there a reason why qemu-dm is missing from xen-utils-3.4? |
| 22:16.26 | pipeline | Ramendik: maybe your lpr is not cups-bsd lpr but rather some other; reinstall the cupsys-bsd package |
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| 22:16.30 | dotCOMmie | and the qemu-dm is broken in xen-utils-unstable |
| 22:16.38 | PovAddict | does flashplugin-nonfree in debian squeeze install Flash 9? |
| 22:17.15 | Ramendik | pipeline: oops, it was not INSTALLED. I wonder what that lpr was |
| 22:17.18 | Ramendik | hmm |
| 22:17.20 | benedikt | PovAddict: its version 2.8 |
| 22:17.22 | Ramendik | it is from the package "lpr" |
| 22:17.39 | PovAddict | benedikt: yeah, so that says nothing |
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| 22:17.46 | benedikt | PovAddict: i know. |
| 22:17.57 | Ramendik | pipeline: THANKS! It works now |
| 22:18.01 | PovAddict | unless it really installs Macromedia Flash 2 |
| 22:18.06 | PovAddict | from 1997 |
| 22:18.14 | benedikt | that would be awesome |
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| 22:22.12 | Shockcore | is it possible that debian minimal cd hangs on installationg when its time to detect hardware (ethernet) ? |
| 22:23.05 | doublehp | sepult: I saw a file called mrtg.cfg.dpkg-new appear, then desapear ... |
| 22:23.37 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 22:33.26 | doublehp | [MRTG] cfgmaker >>> "Skipping public@localhost: as no info could be retrieved" ; any idea ? |
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| 22:36.05 | benedikt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=540711 now I found this bugreport on the issue. doesnt seem to be much interest on it |
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| 22:39.20 | benedikt | PovAddict: /libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so |
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| 22:41.23 | HazardX | anyone know of a decent commandline ISO image maker? |
| 22:41.47 | HazardX | (to make image clones of CDs, not just ISO file systems0 |
| 22:41.47 | HazardX | ) |
| 22:41.56 | dondelelcaro | HazardX: if you need to clone cds, dd. |
| 22:41.58 | benedikt | HazardX: dd |
| 22:42.32 | HazardX | Okiedokie, that's what the usual tool is anyway :) |
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| 22:45.40 | benedikt | Can i manually send out an acpi signal? |
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| 22:47.59 | gothenburg | Linus Torvalds. |
| 22:48.00 | gothenburg | http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 |
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| 22:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got a python program that does "import wx.lib.flatnotebook", which fails - flatnotebook is in python-wxgtk2.8 in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/lib/flatnotebook.py |
| 22:54.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's going wrong there? Looks to me like I got the right package... |
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| 22:55.37 | PovAddict | python-wxversion? |
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| 22:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | python-wxgtk2.8 |
| 22:56.20 | PovAddict | python is looking for a 'wx' in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ |
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| 22:56.46 | dominiq | hello folks, i have an issue with apache2.. lenny: |
| 22:56.52 | PovAddict | the python-wxversion package has a /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx.pth that probably just tells it to look in wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/ as well |
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| 22:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | python-wxversion was already installed |
| 22:58.21 | dominiq | ..or i don't :p |
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| 22:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | import wx.lib works as well |
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| 22:59.19 | PovAddict | installs |
| 22:59.20 | PovAddict | python-wxgtk2.8 |
| 22:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 23:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really don't know how this is supposed to work... |
| 23:00.11 | PovAddict | "import wx.lib.flatnotebook" works for me |
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| 23:00.23 | PovAddict | installing python-wxgtk2.8 installed python-wxversion automatically |
| 23:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ImportError: No module named flatnotebook |
| 23:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 23:00.59 | dominiq | hrhm i do have a prob.. when i go to http://site.com it says page cannot be found... while site.com/index.html brings "it works!" which is long gone from /var/www... wtf is wrong :( lenny |
| 23:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does your /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx.pth say? |
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| 23:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine only contains wx-2.6-gtk2-unicode |
| 23:01.25 | PovAddict | 2.6? |
| 23:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what it says |
| 23:01.36 | PovAddict | mine says wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode |
| 23:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that also makes more sense |
| 23:02.05 | PovAddict | $ ls /usr/lib/wx/python/ |
| 23:02.09 | PovAddict | what do you have there? |
| 23:02.19 | grendal_prime | hey guys...i got something here that seems to be more complicated than it needs to be. I have three machines A B and C. All 3 have ssh and sshd installed on them. I need to via ssh execute something on machine C Now the trick is i want to initiate it from machine A and first connect to machine B to do this. |
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| 23:03.19 | dominiq | grendal_prime you love to make it hard for yourself |
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| 23:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.39 | grendal_prime | I looked at setting up a tunnel from A -> B on say port 222 then from machine A ssh C -p 222 |
| 23:03.39 | PovAddict | CutMeOwnThroat: what files do you have in /usr/lib/wx/python/? |
| 23:03.42 | PovAddict | ok |
| 23:03.51 | PovAddict | hold on... |
| 23:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, reinstalling that package did nothing |
| 23:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't really think it would |
| 23:04.15 | Elive_user47_de | hi |
| 23:04.30 | grendal_prime | but this seems a bit complicted. |
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| 23:04.45 | euzao | hey! |
| 23:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's interesting |
| 23:05.05 | PovAddict | CutMeOwnThroat: try this: update-alternatives --set wx.pth /usr/lib/wx/python/wx2.8.pth |
| 23:05.36 | euzao | when was the last Debian update? |
| 23:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wx.pth points to /etc/alternatives/wx.pth which points to /usr/lib/wx/python/wx2.6.pth |
| 23:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:06.01 | grendal_prime | well dominiq this seems alot easier than the alternatives thats for sure.. |
| 23:06.12 | PovAddict | yep, but it's better to use update-alternatives than to mess with the symlinks by hand :) |
| 23:06.17 | themill | euzao: update of what? |
| 23:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno.. i don't see what your update-alternatives does |
| 23:06.31 | euzao | themill, the last version =P |
| 23:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so in this case for me it would be safer to reset the symlinks :) |
| 23:06.49 | PovAddict | it will make wx.pth point at wx2.8.pth instead of wx2.6.pth |
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| 23:07.20 | themill | euzao: the xulrunner package was updated today. so "today". Does that answer your question> |
| 23:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, that did it |
| 23:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
| 23:08.04 | jpinx-eeepc | is there any way I can connect my mobile fone to my lan to test websites I'm making for mobiles without having to pay my network? |
| 23:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now it segfaults a bit later :) |
| 23:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 23:08.19 | euzao | themill, only if you are mean hehe |
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| 23:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, and when you run it in valgrind, the segfault disappears |
| 23:12.31 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: without a gsm modem? |
| 23:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but actually it does give a hint this time: Source and destination overlap in memcpy [...] wxStringBase::AssignCopy [...] |
| 23:14.16 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: not sure what I've got to be honest - there's a serial cable that plugs into the phone if that's any good? |
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| 23:15.01 | MmikeRMRM | When building debian package, does one need to take into consideration downgrading of the package? |
| 23:16.06 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: do you want connectivity or just want to test your page on your mobile browser? i mean are you looking at transmission rate, too? if you just want to see the page, can't you save the page onto your phone over the dongle into a browser accessible folder? |
| 23:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | MmikeRMRM: downgrading is not a feature od debian - from a users pov |
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| 23:17.05 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I write the page on the laptop, and would like to view it in the mobile, speed is not important |
| 23:17.28 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: i think there are emulators for that |
| 23:17.32 | jpinx-eeepc | it'd be nice to be able to transfer my phone data, but that's maybe a separate issue? |
| 23:17.40 | sway | j2me may have one, if you're not anti-java |
| 23:18.00 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: emulators don't cut it - tried them. |
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| 23:18.28 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: what kind of phone do you have that comes with a serial port? |
| 23:18.34 | jpinx-eeepc | emulators don't emulate my ole nokia 6310 text-only browers |
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| 23:19.26 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: are you trying to line all of the e's up in every sentence or something? |
| 23:19.30 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: itsa nokia 6310 and I have a cable I used to unlock the network - it connects the phone to the serial port, but not sure if it's in any useful way for this purpose |
| 23:19.58 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: pardon. |
| 23:20.03 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: in the text only browser I want to optimise fontsizes etc |
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| 23:20.37 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: put some math on the screen resolution figure? |
| 23:20.42 | sway | math-fu |
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| 23:22.01 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I still need to see it on my mobile screen, which is what I am asking about here |
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| 23:22.21 | sway | ok |
| 23:22.28 | benedikt | i have this acpi signal: video VID 00000080 00000000. Any idea how i can "emulate" it with /proc/acpi? is it possible? |
| 23:22.29 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: can you save web pages on your phone? |
| 23:22.35 | Hyperi- | hmm, anyone knows a trick how to find out which modules are enabled in apache2? |
| 23:22.48 | PovAddict | Hyperi-: there is a command line switch to make it say that |
| 23:23.00 | sway | save your template to that same directory/folder |
| 23:23.20 | Hyperi- | PovAddict: But which one is it :P |
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| 23:23.37 | PovAddict | the --help should say |
| 23:23.43 | PovAddict | I'm not about to install apache just to check that |
| 23:23.52 | babilen | Hyperi-: have a look at /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 23:24.07 | Hyperi- | babilen: My module in there is already linked in mods-enabled |
| 23:24.19 | benedikt | Hyperi-: is it loaded? |
| 23:24.20 | Hyperi- | But for some reasons I can't see suPHP working :/ |
| 23:24.52 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: the point is that I can not *get* the pages onto the mobile direct from my lan |
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| 23:26.10 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: i thought you said the phone had a serial port? |
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| 23:26.36 | bintut | waves |
| 23:27.14 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I have a cable I used to unlock the network - it connects the phone to the serial port |
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| 23:27.34 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: i don't understand what that means |
| 23:27.56 | bintut | if i have a continuous ping to my default gateway, after sometime say 5 minutes, my ping will be dropped and afterwards, reply again.. how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 23:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | PovAddict, good job - I had no idea about this version package... turns out it it pretty nice (not sure yet if it does what I want well, too, but I'll see that) it's this: http://lorentz.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:28.51 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: what part of "I have a cable that connects the phone to the serial port" do you not understand? |
| 23:29.21 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: the part where you're not plugging it into a computer and saving the data to a browser accessible location |
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| 23:30.18 | PovAddict | why are you assuming the phone has a filesystem and that you can put files in arbitrary places using the serial port? |
| 23:30.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I can make the physical connection, but nothing happens anywhere |
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| 23:30.42 | sway | PovAddict: because magic doesn't exist. that thing runs on some kind of organized command syntax |
| 23:31.04 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: do you have a driver for that thing? or are you a proponent of merlin, too? |
| 23:31.18 | PovAddict | I know some Palm devices let you do network over the serial port |
| 23:31.28 | PovAddict | so a web browser on the Palm could access HTTP through the serial port |
| 23:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't know there is no magic involved! |
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| 23:31.41 | sway | CutMeOwnThroat: you're right |
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| 23:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | as long as you remember that! |
| 23:31.59 | sway | heh |
| 23:32.04 | PovAddict | but it definitely doesn't have a filesystem, so you can't "copy the html file into the device" and you can't use the browser to access a "local file" |
| 23:32.45 | sway | PovAddict: ok |
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| 23:33.22 | gothenburg | Night |
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| 23:34.58 | gh0st3r | where abouts is the php.ini file on a Debian 5 Lenny system, after doing 'apt-get install php5 apache2 libapache2-mod-php5'? |
| 23:35.47 | PovAddict | somewhere in /etc, where you'd expect all configuration to go |
| 23:36.10 | gh0st3r | I found it in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini , but when I modify it, it doesn't make any difference? |
| 23:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sway, I'm not sure you use 'magic' here in the sense that I used to think of technimagi, though... in my mind the term describes the belief that things do what you think they do or what would be most useful... instead of what was easiest to implement :) |
| 23:36.41 | babilen | gh0st3r: You can list all files within a package with "dpkg -L" Just grep for the file you are searching for and you'll be done. |
| 23:36.50 | PovAddict | gh0st3r: did you restart apache after changing the file? |
| 23:36.58 | gh0st3r | PovAddict, the entire server |
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| 23:37.08 | PovAddict | o_o |
| 23:37.15 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I have nothing other than a phyical connection - hence my question here |
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| 23:39.36 | sway | CutMeOwnThroat: you have a valid point. magic, to me, implies a instinct. the magic that's created and maintained in places like this one comes from choice, hard work and integrity. that's not magical, that's respectable |
| 23:39.44 | themill | gh0st3r: why do you need to modify the file? what are you changing? how are you testing whether the modification worked or not? |
| 23:40.11 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: well man, i thought you wanted to be scrooge and not pay the network access charges |
| 23:40.41 | jpinx-eeepc | that's right |
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| 23:40.54 | gh0st3r | themill, installing vtiger |
| 23:40.58 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: hence my asking here how to connect my mobile to my lan |
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| 23:41.50 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: doesn't debian have an embedded flavor? |
| 23:42.16 | jpinx-eeepc | sway: I have no idea - that's why I am asking here |
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| 23:42.56 | benedikt | im running squeeze with unstable pinned. when i use apt-get install, it tells me that quite a lot of packages were installed but not needed. This is severly incorrect, there are some very important packages in there. |
| 23:43.02 | benedikt | Whats "wrong"? |
| 23:43.14 | sway | jpinx-eeepc: a sage'll show up eventually. they'd know |
| 23:43.18 | themill | benedikt: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 23:43.45 | poncha | is there a fs-wide inode count limit in ext3 ? |
| 23:44.14 | benedikt | themill: how can i find out what package is causing this? |
| 23:44.39 | themill | benedikt: it will be something you removed recently most likely. |
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| 23:44.47 | sway | themill: does debian have an embedded flavor? |
| 23:45.12 | themill | !emdebian |
| 23:45.12 | dpkg | from memory, emdebian is a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:45.19 | sway | themill: thank you |
| 23:45.20 | benedikt | themill: ive been moving nautilus to unstable and back again. could that be it? |
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