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| 00:00.07 | dcj1 | I once booted a LiveCD here and gnome simply did not open up |
| 00:00.07 | alexidoia | a last time |
| 00:00.09 | alexidoia | for fun |
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| 00:00.16 | dcj1 | was that fixed? |
| 00:00.23 | alexidoia | can anyone tell me how to set and get extended attribute ? |
| 00:00.42 | alexidoia | IÂ have xattr that does not have a man page |
| 00:02.04 | dcj1 | markybob, how many FPS do you get by running glxgears? |
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| 00:02.37 | mesaGL | alexidoia: man setfattr |
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| 00:03.35 | markybob | dcj1, 500ish |
| 00:03.47 | alexidoia | mesaGL: no manual entry |
| 00:04.01 | devhell_ | alexidoia: install attr |
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| 00:04.14 | mesaGL | good call :) |
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| 00:05.03 | dcj1 | 4018 frames in 5.0 seconds = 803.427 FPS |
| 00:05.04 | dcj1 | 3490 frames in 5.0 seconds = 697.940 FPS |
| 00:05.04 | dcj1 | 3999 frames in 5.0 seconds = 799.734 FPS |
| 00:05.07 | dcj1 | that is not bad, right? |
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| 00:05.32 | dcj1 | sorry :S |
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| 00:06.07 | alexidoia | mesaGL: I did touch bar; setfattr -n gretting -v hello bar; it says operation not supported |
| 00:06.07 | markybob | dcj1, depends partially on your resolution, too. 1680x1050 here |
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| 00:06.14 | dcj1 | I got 700ish, that is not bad, right? |
| 00:06.19 | dcj1 | hmm, 1920X1080 here |
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| 00:06.28 | alexidoia | mesaGL does it mean my fs does not support extended attribute ? |
| 00:06.29 | markybob | dcj1, you shouldnt be complaining :P |
| 00:06.34 | MarkGi | Hi, I am running Debian Squeeze, and everything is great, except one program that's badly broken: ensiper. It depends on how ebay setup their page, when the page changes it breaks. Currently the one is testing is totally borked, so I want to get the latest from unstable (which in this case ironically is more stable that testing..): http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/esniper |
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| 00:06.43 | MarkGi | Is it possible to get this one package? |
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| 00:07.03 | alexidoia | devhell_: how can I be sure my fs support extended attribute ? |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | !why is ensiper not in testing |
| 00:07.07 | dpkg | ensiper is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ensiper |
| 00:07.08 | MarkGi | or am I at the mercy of when someone marks it as stable |
| 00:07.27 | dcj1 | I am not complaining xD I just wanted to know if fglrx has a better FPS rate |
| 00:07.39 | alexidoia | devhell_: I did use this in m fstab /dev/sda1 / ext3 user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 00:07.43 | alexidoia | is that enough ? |
| 00:07.43 | dcj1 | I can install the proper driver in openSUSE, but I do not like that distribution |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | MarkGi: it doens't build on parisc .. but it is old enough .. if you really can't wait you can backport it oyurself |
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| 00:09.01 | alexidoia | can anyone stick with me for a few sec please ? |
| 00:09.21 | MarkGi | because my embedded plug has no compiler. If I wanted a source distribution I would have installed gentoo! I moved from Lenny because of this very reason. Broken things took months to get fixed. |
| 00:09.41 | hans | I have a user (with no sudo) on my friend's server that I SSH into to run irssi, the time stamps are 5 hours ahead of my time zone, how can I change this? |
| 00:09.49 | nick_h | i just reinstalled Debian, and the line Load "r300_dri" in xorg.conf fails to load the driver. any idea where i can get the driver from? |
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| 00:10.31 | ruben23 | i installed vsftpd, Public accessible ftp site is located what directory..? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | nick_h: you probably just want it to say 'radeon' i would think |
| 00:10.42 | alexidoia | ok thanks ! |
| 00:10.47 | mesaGL | alexidoia: not sure if you can set arbitrary name/value pairs. i think the name has to be a fully qualified "legal" name where the class has to be security, system, trusted, or user. man 5 attr |
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| 00:11.21 | hans | or I guess I'm asking how to set the clock on the server without sudo? |
| 00:11.37 | alexidoia | mesaGL ok but how can I simply know that my fs can accept extended attribute ? |
| 00:11.45 | MarkGi | Can I just "install" the deb from here somehow? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/esniper/esniper_2.20.0-1_armel.deb |
| 00:11.49 | alexidoia | mesaGl : I did use this in m fstab /dev/sda1 / ext3 user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 00:12.00 | alexidoia | mesaGL: : I did use this in m fstab /dev/sda1 / ext3 user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 00:12.05 | alexidoia | sorry for the repeat |
| 00:12.09 | markybob | MarkGi, download and use sudo dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:12.23 | abrotman | markybob: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 00:12.45 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 00:12.45 | MarkGi | will there be any concequences by doing that? Should I get rid of my old one first? will it try and downgrade me? |
| 00:12.56 | markybob | abrotman, alrighty |
| 00:13.12 | mesaGL | alexidoia: ext3 should be ok. tune2fs -l /dev/whatever | grep features |
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| 00:13.43 | et | is there a way to make apt-get -b source use multiple processors? |
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| 00:15.34 | markybob | et, no |
| 00:15.54 | abrotman | et: i vaguely recall a method |
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| 00:16.42 | markybob | abrotman, maybe you should be hypnotized or see a psychic |
| 00:16.49 | abrotman | why? |
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| 00:17.13 | markybob | ...to...find lost memories. dont you watch tv? |
| 00:17.18 | asrekdal | vast majority is insane by influence |
| 00:17.30 | nsadmin | his lost memories are on tv?! |
| 00:18.04 | markybob | his lost memories certainly arent helpful |
| 00:18.24 | nsadmin | -b is build, right? |
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| 00:18.43 | asrekdal | vast majority are insane by influence |
| 00:18.46 | markybob | nsadmin, when used with source, it downloads the source and builds the deb package |
| 00:19.47 | nsadmin | well I guess he could take the -b out and alter the #! line of debian/rules to include -j # |
| 00:20.14 | Saar | urk |
| 00:20.23 | markybob | nsadmin, yes. that wasnt the question or the supposed memory |
| 00:20.35 | Saar | anyone know how to grep for a string, and only have the line number where it appears output? |
| 00:21.37 | nsadmin | Saar: feed grep -n output to cut? |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | Saar: pass it to awk |
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| 00:21.52 | asrekdal | http developers handbook as reference |
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| 00:22.13 | Saar | hm ja i was hoping grep had its own option for that, thanks |
| 00:22.25 | markybob | i'd use cut |
| 00:22.25 | asrekdal | all in one desk reference as reference |
| 00:22.31 | nsadmin | if it does, you will find it in man grep |
| 00:22.57 | themill | et: istr it's something like: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=3" |
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| 00:23.56 | Saar | cut will do thanks |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | ah .. yes .. man dpkg-buildpackage .. thank you themill |
| 00:24.12 | markybob | Saar, np |
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| 00:25.19 | abrotman | asrekdal: do you need help? |
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| 00:25.49 | asrekdal | yeah thank i was wanting to confiure clock presentation |
| 00:26.03 | asrekdal | thank as thanks |
| 00:26.34 | asrekdal | all upper case no comma |
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| 00:28.38 | Emery | Anyone know how to get etoile to start from xinit ? |
| 00:28.57 | asrekdal | a name limited audial alert feature for xchat |
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| 00:29.22 | Ergo^ | hello, i got a server that doesnt want to start after a reboot, i launched a rescue network console and mounted its filesystems, what should i check first for problems ? |
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| 00:29.41 | abrotman | asrekdal: What is your native language? |
| 00:29.42 | mesaGL | Emery: ~/.xinitrc ? |
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| 00:29.56 | asrekdal | english without punctuation |
| 00:29.58 | Emery | mesaGL, yes but i mean the exec command that goes inside xinit |
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| 00:30.04 | Emery | i.e exec fluxbox |
| 00:30.10 | asrekdal | question mark |
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| 00:30.25 | abrotman | asrekdal: please speak english |
| 00:30.38 | asrekdal | i take offense from these statements |
| 00:30.45 | mesaGL | Emery: only the last entry should have "exec" |
| 00:30.48 | asrekdal | i have battled many |
| 00:30.49 | themill | asrekdal: perhaps we could convince you to be silent in here if you don't have a Debian-support question for us. Your random interjections have gone on long enough. |
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| 00:31.08 | abrotman | asrekdal: you've been banned for 10 minutes for speaking gibberish repeatedly |
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| 00:31.43 | Emery | mesaGL, i don't think you understand .. i don't know the exec command to execute etoile when i run xinit |
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| 00:31.52 | mesaGL | Emery: what is etoile anyways ? i know it's french for "star" |
| 00:32.02 | Emery | a desktop |
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| 00:32.38 | mesaGL | Emery: search the etoile package with dpkg -L or whatever |
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| 00:36.23 | chocothief | Hey guys I have a question about bash commands. I'm a total noob and im writing a simple script to mysql dump. my problem arises when I have it dump to an .sql file i have some question marks in the name. I think its a problem with the date format im using in the script |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | there is a #bash |
| 00:36.46 | chocothief | thank you |
| 00:37.01 | ranix | and #bash is rather high on usefulness |
| 00:37.10 | mesaGL | Emery: are you sure this is a debian question ? it's just that i can't seem to find any reference to etoile anywhere, except two images. presumably of stars ... |
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| 00:37.48 | Emery | etoile is compile-able on any linux system |
| 00:38.03 | Emery | but i'm doing it on my Debian box so ... it's a Debian question |
| 00:38.13 | ranix | Emery: did you install manually, or is there a "make install" that you ran? |
| 00:38.24 | Emery | i compiled it |
| 00:38.43 | ranix | drr |
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| 00:38.45 | ranix | Emery: did you install manually, or is there a "make install" that you ran? |
| 00:38.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@c-69-242-148-62.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 00:38.52 | mesaGL | this sounds like ubuntuism to me |
| 00:38.52 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 00:39.05 | mesaGL | "arrest that man" |
| 00:39.09 | Emery | far from it |
| 00:39.16 | abrotman | Emery: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 00:39.16 | Emery | so your assumption is very wrong. |
| 00:39.36 | Emery | cat /proc/version id personally use but ... i cant paste it over |
| 00:39.40 | Emery | as it's on another box |
| 00:39.47 | Emery | running CLI |
| 00:39.50 | Emery | hence the question |
| 00:39.52 | ranix | I don't care about /proc/version |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | so IRC from that box |
| 00:39.56 | ranix | did you run make install or not |
| 00:40.08 | ranix | help me help you |
| 00:40.11 | Emery | ranix unless you can't read ... i said yes i compile it. |
| 00:40.22 | mesaGL | my assumption is correct. it does sounds like ubuntuism |
| 00:40.33 | ranix | ok I consign you to the fiery pit of ignorance, Emery |
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| 00:40.48 | themill | Emery: "i compile it" != "I ran make install". Are you being intentionally vague? |
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| 00:41.06 | Emery | that's pretty hypocritical ranix i'd say |
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| 00:41.22 | Emery | mesaGL, once again your wrong. |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:41.33 | jure | can anyone help me understand why http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is empty? |
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| 00:41.55 | abrotman | jure: because they're useless .. out of date in 12 hours |
| 00:42.05 | Emery | abrotman, i don't think i have an xchat dict correction module, i'll let you know if i do. |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | uhm .. it wouldn't correct that .. |
| 00:42.51 | jure | abrotman, correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't a weekly build hold up for an entire week? |
| 00:42.58 | et | themill: thanks, will try this sometime |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | jure: i'm saying it's a lot of work to build them, and they're out of date in 12 hours .. use a netinst |
| 00:43.20 | et | (have been compiling for a while now, don't want to interrupt ;)) |
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| 00:43.37 | themill | sounds fair |
| 00:43.40 | mesaGL | Emery: personally i don't care. close the door quietly on the way out pls |
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| 00:44.11 | Emery | door ? |
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| 00:44.29 | Ergo^ | what logs should i browse if server system doesnt boot ? im in rescue console and mounted filesystems |
| 00:44.30 | Emery | good job the question wasn't aimed at you then isn't it. |
| 00:44.34 | jure | abrotman, why isn't that same reason used for amd64, then? there's always weekly builds for that arch... |
| 00:44.42 | abrotman | jure: dated when ? |
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| 00:44.53 | jure | 26. Oct |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | jure: use a netinst |
| 00:45.24 | jure | abrotman, fine. |
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| 00:46.31 | Emery | mesaGL, learn2read this isn't my debian box. |
| 00:46.36 | Emery | not point ctcp'ing it. |
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| 00:46.55 | ranix | stop being so hostile, Emery |
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| 00:47.11 | chocothief | k so I went to the bash channel and it doesnt look like anyones in there.. |
| 00:47.22 | Emery | i'm not, but mesaGL is very redious |
| 00:47.26 | Emery | tedious* |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | Emery: either ask your question, or be quiet .. don't sit here and argue with people |
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| 00:50.50 | valdyn | Ergo^: we cannot know before you told us at which point booting stops |
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| 00:52.21 | Ergo^ | valdyn: i dont know, i cant access or ping the system at all, i did a remote reboot and im on network booted rescue system, i have only mounted disks with real system |
| 00:52.27 | Ergo^ | im not sure where to go from here |
| 00:52.32 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 00:52.41 | valdyn | Ergo^: ^^ |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | jure: it's possible they just built those as a test .. to test the build system, the other architetures are also missing totally, or missing a large number of CDs |
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| 00:53.54 | Ergo^ | valdyn: so i should try to change that conf option, reboot, wait a while reboot again and then look for results ? |
| 00:54.04 | valdyn | Ergo^: yes |
| 00:54.08 | Ergo^ | k, thanks |
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| 01:01.36 | ruben23 | how do i check my free space |
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| 01:01.39 | ruben23 | on my disk |
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| 01:01.48 | azeem | df |
| 01:02.01 | fbt | hi, can you recommend me a repo to install KOffice 2 on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 01:02.51 | ruben23 | azeem: how about the un partition part...? |
| 01:03.05 | azeem | ruben23: fdisk or cfdisk or parted |
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| 01:04.34 | markybob | ruben23, where are you from? |
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| 01:05.09 | ruben23 | markybob: philippines, why..? |
| 01:05.34 | markybob | ruben23, ruben spelled that way is somewhat unique. my brother's name is spelled that way |
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| 01:07.22 | markybob | ruben23, for example, in north america, it's "reuben" |
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| 01:09.26 | markybob | ruben23, i was in the US Navy. it's amazing how many Philippians are in the navy |
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| 01:09.46 | ruben23 | markybob: wow that my dreamed, |
| 01:10.02 | ruben23 | ive always look up the usnavy |
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| 01:10.42 | ruben23 | markybob: just loe reading staff on navy- history WW2 |
| 01:11.02 | markybob | ruben23, you'd be with many of your own people. seriously....there are a ton of philippians in the us navy. i had some great friends from there |
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| 01:11.21 | info-boyo | Was wondering if anyone could help me. Can't seem to boot my debian OS. I'm getting a "cannot execute 'etc/init.d/rcS' " and "cannot execute 'etc/init.d/rc' " at boot up. Not sure what the problem is or how to diagnose it. |
| 01:11.38 | ruben23 | markybob: actually it would be a permanent dream only.. |
| 01:12.00 | ruben23 | coz im not physically fit for it..:-( |
| 01:12.33 | markybob | ruben23, you might be surprised. even if all you can do is cook, there's a spot for you. you dont have to be able to fight |
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| 01:13.13 | ruben23 | markybob: my dreamed is diverted to my career path, becoming a us navy, IT staff or IT guy doing technology staff. |
| 01:13.50 | markybob | ruben23, to be in IT in the navy, you have to be a US citizen, so you should probably give up on that dream. but you can do other jobs that dont require citizenship |
| 01:14.10 | ruben23 | markybob:ow |
| 01:14.47 | ruben23 | markybob: like what..? |
| 01:14.48 | info-boyo | Not sure what it was exactly that did my debian install in. Maybe it was that apache or PHP install. That, or maybe the fact that I plugged in my PC into a LAN network filled with infested Windows boxes. And the that I also plugged in several infected usb flash drives into my PC as well. |
| 01:14.58 | markybob | ruben23, there's opportunity, though. i wasn't a citizen when i joined, but through the navy I began a citizen. i could then switch jobs...but i just didnt choose to |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:15.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:15.17 | adb | ruben23, like pirate US navy ;) |
| 01:15.22 | markybob | ruben23, it's not glamorous. it's hard work, cooking, or painting, or driving attack boats |
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| 01:16.56 | markybob | yes. because it's so busy in here |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | that's irrelevant |
| 01:17.42 | markybob | abrotman, sorry. lost all respect for your opinion today. feel free to kick me |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | i don't really care .. you're still offtopic .. go to #debian-offtopic if you want to continue |
| 01:18.10 | info-boyo | Erm anyone? My machine also logged of on its own. Then things started getting funky. |
| 01:18.13 | ruben23 | markybob: well that do of course even a janitor, i would loved to--> a janitor for an aircraft carrier- NimItz or Enterprise, Kitty Hawk |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | ruben23: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | info-boyo: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 01:18.39 | info-boyo | Nope. |
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| 01:18.46 | info-boyo | abroteman: nope. |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | info-boyo: but the system used to boot ? |
| 01:18.59 | info-boyo | abrotman: Yep. |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | info-boyo: is it lenny? squeeze? sid? did you update some software recently? |
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| 01:19.21 | info-boyo | abrotman: Not sure what went wrong. I think it was those infested flash drives. |
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| 01:19.51 | markybob | abrotman, if you didnt care, you wouldnt be bothering me. a bit contradictory |
| 01:20.00 | info-boyo | abrotman: The flash drives mounted as read only. They were infected with some windows viruses though. |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | markybob: i don't care that you lost respect for my opinion, i do care that you're offtopic |
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| 01:21.07 | info-boyo | abrotman: I also tried loggin on as single user. But when the tiem came to type in teh root password, something else came up. Lemme type it up. |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | info-boyo: can you boot the system if you go init=/bin/bash ? |
| 01:21.47 | info-boyo | abrotman: How do I do that? Single user mode? |
| 01:22.06 | info-boyo | I'm currently using another distro on the same machine installed on a different partition. |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | you do it with the bootloader |
| 01:22.27 | info-boyo | You mean grub? |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:23.23 | markybob | abrotman, i feel for you. thinking you're better than everyone and not caring about anyone's opinion. it must be quite lonely |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | markybob: this is also offtopic .. if you want to continue this, either msg or #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:26.05 | info-boyo | abrotman: Haven't tried that yet. But besides that, anything else I can do to diagnose the problem? I'm getting a "scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic Flash R?W 2002 PQ:0 ANSI:2" when I try booting in single user mode at the root password prompt. |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | info-boyo: are the flash drives still plugged in when you try to boot ? |
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| 01:27.24 | info-boyo | abrotman: No. The flash drives were from yesterday. I was real careful not log-in/restart/boot with the flash drives plugged in. |
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| 01:27.43 | info-boyo | And I never even provided my root password during the entire time. |
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| 01:28.42 | info-boyo | My machine did however log off on its own, but the flash drive was already removed from my machine by then. |
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| 01:30.00 | rumpsy | !hi |
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| 01:30.01 | dpkg | hello, rumpsy |
| 01:30.29 | rumpsy | Please help me in host website through apache |
| 01:30.33 | info-boyo | abrotman: the flash drive did have some strange files in them. Files I can't copy. And when I try to view properties>permissions, it says that the files permissions can't be determined. |
| 01:30.52 | rumpsy | I installed apache, php, mysql |
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| 01:31.42 | info-boyo | rumpsy: Did that too man. Now I'm asking myself if doing that did my machine in. |
| 01:32.48 | rumpsy | do you know how to host using apache |
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| 01:33.27 | jpinx-eeepc | rumpsy: that is not debian specific and there are lots of good tutorials on the net - use google |
| 01:33.57 | info-boyo | rumpsy: I think you put your pages under /var/www/ |
| 01:34.24 | rumpsy | i can see my website in localhost... |
| 01:34.27 | info-boyo | rumpsy: More than that, I don't really know. I just installed it 2 days ago. |
| 01:35.18 | rumpsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | info-boyo: did you try with the init=/bin/sh ? |
| 01:35.55 | rumpsy | He can help me in thiscase |
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| 01:38.16 | info-boyo | abrotman: Not yet. I'll go try init=/bin/bash and init=bin/sh now. All I have to do is reboot right? Do I choose single user mode with grub then type in init=/bin/bash? |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | it's a bit more than that |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | you would edit the entry .. then append that bit |
| 01:40.25 | info-boyo | abrotman: edit which entry? |
| 01:40.27 | teddymills | Does a Debian 5.02 new OS installation with a RAID1 install GRUB on both drives? |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | info-boyo: the one for debian ? |
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| 01:41.03 | leleobhz | hello |
| 01:41.36 | leleobhz | i have a proprietary package (PacketTracer from Cisco) and a amd64 installation |
| 01:41.47 | leleobhz | have someway to convert the package? |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | convert it to what? |
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| 01:42.09 | leleobhz | from i386 package to amd64 package |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | not without the source |
| 01:42.20 | leleobhz | a amd64 package with 32bits binary |
| 01:42.25 | info-boyo | abrotman: I'm a bit lost. Is the entry some sort of text file? Where can I find it? |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | info-boyo: when you boot the computer ? |
| 01:42.41 | leleobhz | abrotman: i dont want to force the installation of the package |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | leleobhz: but it won't run ? |
| 01:43.04 | leleobhz | abrotman: my problem isnt run |
| 01:43.07 | leleobhz | is this broke my apt |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | leleobhz: did you try to purge it ? |
| 01:43.23 | leleobhz | because cisco package is i386 and my os is amd64 |
| 01:43.26 | info-boyo | abrotman: Guess I'll just have to reboot then. i'll be back. |
| 01:43.32 | leleobhz | abrotman: if i purge, i dont have the programm |
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| 01:44.03 | abrotman | leleobhz: you might be able to unpack it .. change the arch and repackit ? |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | leleobhz: i've never attempted such a thing |
| 01:44.43 | leleobhz | dpkg: error processing /media/CORSAIR/PacketTracer-5.2-u.i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 01:44.44 | dpkg | leleobhz: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:44.49 | leleobhz | just this |
| 01:44.57 | leleobhz | lol |
| 01:45.26 | abrotman | leleobhz: so it's still trying to install it ? |
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| 01:46.18 | leleobhz | abrotman: ? |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | leleobhz: if you `dpkg --configure -a` .. does it try to make it work ? |
| 01:46.42 | leleobhz | i need this package here and i need only to change the arch |
| 01:47.15 | leleobhz | it even get installed abrotman |
| 01:48.02 | nsadmin | leleobhz: so get the right package |
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| 01:49.38 | leleobhz | nsadmin: cisco dont provides 64bit version of Packettracer |
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| 01:50.22 | nsadmin | and no source? |
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| 01:51.21 | sepult | if i were to make a initrd and kenrel with allmodconfig, and i |
| 01:51.22 | sepult | have to use grub, which commandline would be required, to get ext2, |
| 01:51.22 | sepult | ext3, jbd, kbd or atkbd, mouse usb and other things like framebuffer |
| 01:51.22 | sepult | devices get loaded ? |
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| 01:52.00 | leleobhz | nsadmin: unfortunelly non free software |
| 01:52.00 | leleobhz | packettracer is a cisco network simulator |
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| 01:52.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Can someone help me disabling capslock in vtty's? I know something neesd to be set in /etc/inittab ona kb:: line, but for the life of me I can't find it on the 'net |
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| 01:53.01 | leleobhz | nsadmin: i dont like this and rebuild for me is a must to, but i dont know if its possible to make some work with binary-only packages |
| 01:53.04 | sepult | wth.. |
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| 01:53.50 | nsadmin | sepult: *shrug* you pasteflooded... not sure how that isn't clear |
| 01:54.02 | sepult | i did not! |
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| 01:54.16 | sepult | i did not paste first of all.. |
| 01:54.20 | nsadmin | you sure didn't type that |
| 01:54.30 | sepult | i typed that |
| 01:54.39 | sepult | maybe my sentences were too long ? |
| 01:54.46 | sepult | or what ? |
| 01:55.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | pasteflood |
| 01:56.58 | sepult | i'm using emacs, and the sentences are buffered first i think, |
| 01:56.59 | sepult | until all my sentences are completed i see for example 3 to 4 lines, |
| 01:56.59 | sepult | and then when i hit C-c RETURN they are sent..... |
| 01:57.11 | nsadmin | in any case, whatever... if you build the kernel with make-kpkg --initrd then resulting packages would build initrd images automatically in order to arrange to mount / |
| 01:57.31 | nsadmin | sepult: so emacs pasteflooded |
| 01:57.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | if those are your sentences, youmight /msg dpkg enter |
| 01:57.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | and read that |
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| 01:57.55 | nsadmin | the bot kicks on too much vertical bandwidth |
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| 02:02.18 | rumpsy | No more help here, bye i'm moving :( |
| 02:03.20 | sepult | ok ok don't answer then.... |
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| 02:03.52 | sabayonweb_48723 | 9.10 has some serious regressions on older hardware |
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| 02:05.31 | abrotman | sabayonweb_48723: wrong channel |
| 02:05.52 | sabayonweb_48723 | screw you |
| 02:06.00 | Cain | !ops sabayonweb_48723 |
| 02:06.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cain complains about: sabayonweb_48723 |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | sabayonweb_48723: you want #ubuntu |
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| 02:06.26 | sabayonweb_48723 | i hate ubuntu |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | it's offtopic here |
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| 02:07.31 | sabayonweb_48723 | isnt ubuntu trying to take over debia ? |
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| 02:07.50 | sabayonweb_48723 | and make it sloopy just like windows |
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| 02:07.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-rqtaovmiwmqfxxpi] by abrotman |
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| 02:08.26 | abrotman | sabayonweb_48723: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 02:08.44 | info-boyo | abrotman: No luck with init=/bin/bash and init=/bin/sh. |
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| 02:09.21 | info-boyo | abrotman: I've tried inserting the line before the kernel, after the kernel etc. |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | info-boyo: no luck in that it doesn't work? |
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| 02:10.58 | info-boyo | abrotman: Yep. I still get a "cannot execute '/etc/init.d/rcS'". And then a prompt for "(none) login:". |
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| 02:11.41 | info-boyo | abrotman: It feels like the error comes real early though. I only get to see less than twenty lines before the error pops up. |
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| 02:13.21 | info-boyo | abrotman: Maybe there's something wrong with my boot commands? I currently have five lines there. root, kernel, intrd, savedefault and boot. |
| 02:13.41 | benedikt | Why does dpkg tell me that i should "Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64." |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | benedikt: because of hte numerous binary-only packages from third party companies |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | and the very small benefit that running amd64 will give you |
| 02:15.39 | benedikt | what are the benefitsexcatly? as far as i can work out there are no specific benefits. 64 bit processor just means that the smallest addressable amount of memory are 64 bits, not 32. (the WORD size) |
| 02:16.07 | ranix | larger amount of addressable space means more maximum memory |
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| 02:16.37 | ranix | there are ways to address more ram in 32 bit space but they are ugly and slow |
| 02:17.02 | Wyzard | benedikt: More efficient support for machines with more than 4GB of physical RAM (though even 32-bit machines can support up to 64GB) and support for processes using more than 4GB of address space (not possible at all on 32-bit) |
| 02:17.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ftr, the keymap thing is set in /etc/console-tools/remap |
| 02:17.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | (for the logs :)) |
| 02:17.31 | benedikt | Wyzard: how is it "more efficient"? |
| 02:17.55 | ranix | benedikt: how would you address more than 4 gigs of address space in a 32-bit variable |
| 02:18.10 | ranix | benedikt: however you do it, it's going to be more steps than doing it in a 64-bit one |
| 02:18.24 | benedikt | ranix: good explenation. |
| 02:18.26 | Wyzard | benedikt: Using more than 4GB of physical RAM on a 32-bit machine requires use of a processor facility called PAE, which I've heard incurs a performance overhead (though I haven't noticed a difference personally) |
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| 02:18.55 | benedikt | then there are no benefits in using debian 64 bit |
| 02:19.03 | benedikt | (for me) |
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| 02:19.10 | ranix | very possibly |
| 02:19.23 | benedikt | i have 2 gb of memory and think its plenty |
| 02:19.42 | Wyzard | benedikt: The larger address space can be useful even if you don't have lots of RAM |
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| 02:20.00 | ranix | really? |
| 02:20.00 | benedikt | Wyzard: if i am storing huge integers yes. |
| 02:20.04 | Wyzard | benedikt: Programs can use it to open and access large files via mmap() rather than having to seek around |
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| 02:20.38 | benedikt | Wyzard: i never deal with larger files then 700 mb (avi movies) :-) |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | benedikt: but for most desktop users, there's no super great advantage |
| 02:21.12 | jetscreamer | how do i enable my tv out with this xorg radeon driver |
| 02:21.19 | Wyzard | runs amd64 on the desktop and it's fine |
| 02:21.32 | ranix | huh a quick google of mmap says it is slightly over my head |
| 02:22.19 | nsadmin | that's because you only did a quick google |
| 02:22.56 | nsadmin | oh, mmap not nmam |
| 02:23.10 | Wyzard | ranix: Memory-mapping a file makes the file's contents appear as if they were loaded into memory without actually having to load and hold all the data in RAM |
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| 02:23.58 | Wyzard | (Individual pages get loaded on-demand when accessed, and if unmodified they can be discarded by the kernel if RAM is needed for other things, and re-read from disk later if needed again) |
| 02:24.22 | Wyzard | For doing random access on a large file, it's much more efficient than seek() and read() |
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| 02:24.33 | ranix | hmm, thanks Wyzard |
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| 02:25.37 | nsadmin | so things like postgres would use mmap |
| 02:25.44 | Wyzard | probably, yes |
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| 02:26.29 | Wyzard | and physical RAM has nothing to do with it -- you can mmap a 10GB file on a 64-bit machine even if you only have 512MB of actual RAM |
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| 02:27.36 | nsadmin | it probably buffers it into phys. ram |
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| 02:28.59 | Wyzard | Yes, using the normal disk cache, nothing special or mmap-specific afaik |
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| 02:37.59 | centHOGG | hi |
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| 02:38.18 | sshc | How do I set my timezone (for all users globally) to UTC? |
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| 02:39.20 | muhoo | how would i set a lenny box to always boot up and run x, even if it has fsck errors |
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| 02:39.29 | centHOGG | <debian & handbrake nooby |
| 02:39.36 | muhoo | i.e. remove the remout-ro from /etc/fstab, but what else? |
| 02:39.36 | xerophyte | could somebody help me with munin + tls i have munin configured with TLS for remote nodes but local host i but tls diabled .. but when munin wanna update local host it says Could not establish TLS connection to "localhost.com" why would it try to connect using tls when it disable in the config file just wondering |
| 02:39.39 | Cain | Can I install Debian64 on a P4 3GHZ ? |
| 02:39.40 | markybob | sshc, pkg -configure tzdata |
| 02:39.50 | markybob | spkg* |
| 02:39.55 | markybob | dpkg* fuck |
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| 02:41.46 | sshc | markybob: package tzdata is already installed and configured |
| 02:42.21 | pedro | I have a porblem with iceweasel can somebody shed some light on it for me ? |
| 02:43.01 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 02:43.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:43.44 | centHOGG | hi pedro |
| 02:44.00 | pedro | When you open iceweasel it wont bring up my homrepage just a big iceweasel logo and a bunch of links, but i can type in the address bar and still goto webpages. |
| 02:44.23 | pedro | !ask |
| 02:44.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:46.28 | centHOGG | pedro: did you go to your preferences section (under edit) |
| 02:47.21 | centHOGG | gulp |
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| 02:47.29 | centHOGG | <debian & handbrake nooby |
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| 02:48.13 | muhoo | how can i make a lenny machine never hang at bootup, even if it has fsck errors? |
| 02:48.27 | muhoo | i.e. always get to runlevel 2, no matter what |
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| 02:49.02 | muhoo | various morons keep cutting power to it without shutting it down properly |
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| 02:49.37 | muhoo | it's ext3, but i want to be sure it never sits there with a "type CONTROL-D to continue" message |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | you don't want it to |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | if it can't auto-fsck and recover itself, there's something seriously wrong |
| 02:50.09 | ranix | I suggest replacing the power outlet with a locked outlet |
| 02:50.22 | muhoo | heh, well i am going to remove the on/off switch on the front, for sure |
| 02:50.24 | abrotman | or getting rid of the morons |
| 02:50.32 | muhoo | morons are a renewable resource |
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| 02:50.41 | muhoo | they are self-financing, self-reproducing, and cannot be eliminated |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | get rid of the moron hiring the morons ? |
| 02:50.49 | muhoo | this is a kiosk |
| 02:50.52 | ranix | sometimes it's easier to use a physical solution |
| 02:51.01 | ranix | rather than be confrontational |
| 02:51.14 | ranix | we call it 'fool-proofing; |
| 02:51.19 | muhoo | hm, yeah. well maybe removing the power switch will help |
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| 02:51.39 | abrotman | bets they'll just pull the plug |
| 02:51.43 | ranix | lock it |
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| 02:51.55 | muhoo | good call, will do |
| 02:52.05 | spaztik | how do you tell dpkg to reinstall the config files for a pkg again? |
| 02:52.12 | ruben23 | hi nayone can help i have installed pxe server it work, problem only is the process how it copies the file on my os distro, im doing it by ftp but it didnt work, NFS and http are option but how to do it.. |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | !tell spaztik about confmiss |
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| 02:52.57 | spaztik | thanks |
| 02:53.47 | spaztik | hmm... i deleted my asound.state file and now alsa fails to start.... what creates this? |
| 02:53.58 | spaztik | i've done the confmiss suggestions for alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 02:54.33 | spaztik | ok nm.. hmm.. that wasn't the issue |
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| 02:56.55 | Wyzard | spaztik: "alsactl store" should recreate the asound.state file |
| 02:57.21 | spaztik | Wyzard, yeah that wasn't my problem, something had the pcm locked |
| 02:57.26 | centHOGG | <xfce |
| 02:57.28 | spaztik | i got it though, alllllls good in the house |
| 02:58.09 | spaztik | except.. .i can't play back what i just freakin recorded |
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| 03:03.41 | nick_h | when you run xrandr, where does it store its user-specific config file(s)? |
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| 03:13.55 | simonrvn | nick_h: in the server. no conf |
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| 03:18.26 | nick_h | simonrvn: after i rebooted, the setup that i configured with xrandr persisted. a config file must have been changed somewhere... |
| 03:18.53 | simonrvn | nick_h: you running any sort of DE or a plain wm? |
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| 03:19.41 | IndyGunFreak | does debian gnome have a live cd? |
| 03:20.13 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: yes |
| 03:20.23 | Xenguy | !livecd |
| 03:20.23 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 03:20.29 | simonrvn | there's a debian live cd, but i do not know what you mean by 'debian gnome' |
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| 03:20.52 | IndyGunFreak | simonrvn, gnome as the GUI.. |
| 03:20.55 | IndyGunFreak | thanks Xenguy |
| 03:20.59 | Xenguy | yw |
| 03:22.06 | nick_h | simonrvn: kde 4.1 |
| 03:22.09 | nick_h | or 4. |
| 03:22.11 | nick_h | or 4.2 |
| 03:22.25 | simonrvn | IndyGunFreak: enjoy |
| 03:22.41 | IndyGunFreak | ubuntu 9.10 is a train wreck. |
| 03:22.46 | simonrvn | maybe it stored it. they do odd things that way |
| 03:23.25 | nick_h | hrmm |
| 03:23.46 | simonrvn | i run that in another partition... it's ok, but i think they released too early |
| 03:24.01 | info-boyo | IndyGunFreak: Are you certain? 'm in the process of upgrading. Should I cancel? |
| 03:24.01 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: really? |
| 03:24.11 | IndyGunFreak | Xenguy, i'm pretty disappointed |
| 03:24.17 | Xenguy | hrmm |
| 03:24.18 | IndyGunFreak | and i've been a pertty faithful ubuntu user |
| 03:24.25 | simonrvn | likes debian better |
| 03:24.41 | Xenguy | tried ubu for a year |
| 03:24.57 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: too bad |
| 03:25.00 | info-boyo | is trying ubuntu now while his deb machine is in disrepair |
| 03:25.05 | simonrvn | i like some of what they do, but not other things |
| 03:25.11 | IndyGunFreak | Xenguy, i like debian better, but its never picked up my wireless right |
| 03:25.14 | IndyGunFreak | guess we'll take a looksie. |
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| 03:25.21 | simonrvn | debian ime gets more things right |
| 03:25.38 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: wireless would be nice |
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| 03:26.11 | IndyGunFreak | Xenguy, yeah, the nice thing w/ ubuntu, is it works out of the box.. thats why i wanted to try debian live, before switching, if it works,i have no prob switching |
| 03:27.13 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: yeah, great technique for testing hardware compatibility |
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| 03:27.38 | IndyGunFreak | i still think ubuntu is the way to go for newbs |
| 03:27.51 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: ubu uses proprietary drives, whereas debian won't include those, IIUC |
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| 03:28.10 | Xenguy | IndyGunFreak: s/drives/drivers/ |
| 03:28.15 | IndyGunFreak | yea.. |
| 03:28.30 | IndyGunFreak | i've got an atheros device though, they usually have halfway decent support under Linux. |
| 03:28.50 | IndyGunFreak | i'm not concerned about my Intel graphics being able to run desktop effects, i don't even run them under ubuntu |
| 03:28.55 | simonrvn | IndyGunFreak: to a certain exent yes, and also good for handholding, but ubuntu does some things oddly |
| 03:29.00 | simonrvn | !atheros |
| 03:29.01 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar9170usb>, <ar9271> or <ar5523> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 03:29.56 | IndyGunFreak | pretty sure mine uses ath5k |
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| 03:30.07 | simonrvn | IndyGunFreak: that's what i see tend to suggest for networking on lappies, in here |
| 03:30.25 | IndyGunFreak | hmm, so that could be good. |
| 03:30.26 | IndyGunFreak | :) |
| 03:30.31 | simonrvn | ugh, sorry if you have a hard time understanding that last sentence.. |
| 03:30.41 | IndyGunFreak | its a ath5007eg, if i recall, but ubuntu always misdetects it as ar242x |
| 03:30.55 | simonrvn | is eating then going zzz |
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| 03:32.35 | IndyGunFreak | hmm, according to the ath5k link... i should be OK... |
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| 03:33.16 | IndyGunFreak | ubuntu switching from pidgin to empathy is stupid to... i understand their reasoning, but empathy sucks |
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| 03:34.08 | IndyGunFreak | how is debian for tracking down codecs?.. i know ubuntu has medibuntu... anything like that for debian? |
| 03:34.26 | simonrvn | i like empathy, and of course doesn't have the configurability and plugins pidgin has, i don't im that much anyway |
| 03:34.29 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 03:34.30 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 03:34.52 | IndyGunFreak | awesome |
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| 03:35.25 | simonrvn | dmm came about before ubuntu was started |
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| 03:36.07 | simonrvn | damn, no more dried strawberries |
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| 03:37.58 | IndyGunFreak | is 502 stable? |
| 03:38.02 | IndyGunFreak | i think it is. |
| 03:38.42 | simonrvn | 5.0.3 is the latest, but w/security updates you'll have 5.0.3 anyway |
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| 03:39.36 | IndyGunFreak | back ina few |
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| 03:53.36 | puff | I'm getting a dependency error when trying to install a package. |
| 03:53.36 | puff | However, this machine is due to be decomissioned soon, so I'd like to just ignore that for now and just build the new system from scratch. |
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| 03:54.16 | puff | However, pursuant to migrating to the new box, I need to install something like filelight, to anaylze the disk usage and find bulky files that can be cleaned up and thrown away before the migration. |
| 03:54.19 | IndyGunFreak | ok... well, my wireless isn't working out of the box. |
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| 03:54.45 | puff | Is there any way to tell it to ignore the dependency issues if they don't specifically affect the desired package? |
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| 03:59.08 | IndyGunFreak | does anyone know the root password for the live CD? |
| 03:59.41 | liable | IndyGunFreak: iirc, they mention it on the home page or wiki |
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| 03:59.48 | somiaj | puff: you can use --force in dpkg and have it ignore what ever you want. But you could break things and make it unsuable if you ignore the wrong thing. But yes it is an option |
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| 04:00.50 | somiaj | puff: man dpkg for more info |
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| 04:02.12 | puff | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 04:03.32 | IndyGunFreak | the live CD isn't an installer? |
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| 04:09.12 | clarjon1 | heh |
| 04:09.18 | clarjon1 | I love how a lot of projects have repos for their softwares |
| 04:09.54 | clarjon1 | is referring to WINE at the moment |
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| 04:10.09 | liable | its the easiest option untill you can get it into main, or few quick upgrades |
| 04:10.20 | Llloyd | hiho |
| 04:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, no, not really, you have to fix it first, dpkg can ignore dependencies, but apt can't work if dependencies are not ok |
| 04:10.27 | clarjon1 | it's off to work we go! |
| 04:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, so while you can install all kinds of packages with dpkg and --force-depends, there is no option that lets apt-get pass those to dpkg |
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| 04:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, of course, a package whose dependencies aren't fullfilled won't work - so you can just as well uninstall it - if you know that it *does* work, you can unpack the package, unpack the data.tar.gz within, edit/correct the dependencies in the file "control", pack everything together again and install the package with the new dependencies |
| 04:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, he's gorn |
| 04:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "und ich tipp mir hier den wolf" |
| 04:17.05 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: he got your second message |
| 04:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if he just rebooted |
| 04:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he rejoined a bit later |
| 04:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, well, weird |
| 04:17.58 | somiaj | yea I guess there could be lag, I see he joined again right before the second one...nope now he lost it |
| 04:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's busy doing the quit/join fandango |
| 04:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | "one step forward, two steps back" |
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| 04:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually we didn't have a factoid on that |
| 04:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !package |
| 04:23.11 | dpkg | debian ".deb" packages are just "ar" archives which can be unpacked with "ar -x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file |
| 04:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | see anything still missing? |
| 04:26.33 | somiaj | I'd leave off that dependcy part since its probabaly a bad idea to change them that way |
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| 04:42.01 | theblue | hi all. |
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| 04:42.09 | theblue | does anyone know if the nslu2 takes 12v or 5v? |
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| 04:48.18 | DrPantsMcgee | Hey guys, I've got a .passwd file with a few entries, |
| 04:48.34 | DrPantsMcgee | I'm just trying to remember how to change/update/delete the users/passwords contained within? |
| 04:49.04 | liable | to delete, use adduser, to change use passwd |
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| 04:50.49 | somiaj | DrPantsMcgee: what is this .passwd file for? |
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| 04:52.18 | somiaj | DrPantsMcgee: lots of different servers use different .passwd files for different things, such as apache, mail servers, etc. If you are wanting to modify system users from the /etc/passwd file follow liables advise, else use the tools for the application that access that file |
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| 04:52.23 | clarjon1 | DrPantsMcgee: .passwd? Sounds like it's an htpasswd file. (for web directory protection) If so, use htpasswd. |
| 04:52.38 | liable | i missed the . |
| 04:52.49 | somiaj | could be a hidden samba passwd, dovecot, the list goes on. |
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| 04:52.55 | clarjon1 | true |
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| 04:53.04 | clarjon1 | DrPantsMcgee: What Program Uses It? |
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| 04:54.01 | IndyGunFreak | what was that repository for the multimedia codecs? |
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| 04:54.19 | liable | !dmm |
| 04:54.20 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 04:54.24 | IndyGunFreak | thank you. |
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| 04:55.15 | IndyGunFreak | liable, the mirrors for the "stable" don't make any sense.. at least not in the sense I see usual mirrors(more like testing at the link) |
| 04:55.25 | IndyGunFreak | is there just something i'm missing? |
| 04:55.34 | liable | read the instructions |
| 04:56.09 | ruben23 | hi nay help setting pxe server |
| 04:56.09 | IndyGunFreak | oh nevermind, i didn't scroll down |
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| 04:56.29 | ruben23 | actually its working its just cant copy the file of the OS |
| 04:56.29 | DrPantsMcgee | clarjon1, it's for SVN |
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| 04:58.18 | IndyGunFreak | liable, whats the best one of those for the US?... |
| 04:58.27 | liable | not sure |
| 04:58.33 | Joelito | anyone know a possible release for debian 5.0.4? |
| 04:59.22 | somiaj | DrPantsMcgee: then you'll have to use SVN passwords tools to mess with it. I'd look up 'SVN passwd' in google, see if it is helpful |
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| 05:00.33 | somiaj | Joelito: 5.0.4 will just be 5.0.3 + security and bug fixes. These are being added to security.debian.org as they are found. I would say no approximate date, but if you install 5.0.3 and then all the security updates you'll be fine. There is no major different int he minor version changes except to group all the security/bug fixes together into the release. |
| 05:02.40 | Joelito | somiaj: I know, but I would prefer to download the complete DVD updated |
| 05:02.49 | Timmi | can someone make a recommendation for a distribution that has good webcam support? |
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| 05:03.49 | somiaj | Joelito: well 5.0.3 was released sept 5, 2009. It will probabaly be a few more months until there is enough change to warrent a new packaging of the dvds, etc |
| 05:04.07 | Joelito | somiaj: Thanks... |
| 05:04.09 | Joelito | :) |
| 05:04.41 | IndyGunFreak | Timmi, the one that doesn't exist. |
| 05:04.42 | IndyGunFreak | :) |
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| 05:05.45 | Joelito | IndyGunFreak: Agree |
| 05:06.11 | IndyGunFreak | a lot of it just depends on the camera, and unfortunately, there's not a lot of support for them. |
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| 05:08.05 | Timmi | well, as an fyi to all, fedora11 has excellent support, and fedora12beta even more... but the liveCD I have is slow as molasses in january! |
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| 05:09.12 | IndyGunFreak | Timmi, if fedora supports it, i'd be willing to bet, ubuntu does |
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| 05:11.50 | Timmi | ubuntu 9.10 promises support for the first time, because debian5 has it built in apparently (or is it debian6?). anyway, I don't like ubuntu. its a pain in the @$$ compared to Mint ubuntu. but mint lags behind in the release cycle, and I'm tired of waiting |
| 05:12.53 | IndyGunFreak | Timmi, ?... a pain compared to Mint?... they are the exact same thing with the exception of multimedia codecs |
| 05:13.03 | IndyGunFreak | if you're not braindead, you can install multimedia codecs in ubuntu |
| 05:13.05 | Timmi | that, and... |
| 05:13.24 | IndyGunFreak | and?... Mint has some pretty GUI? |
| 05:13.30 | Timmi | it doesnt even autoconfigure my wifi in my laptop... mint just finds everything first try. |
| 05:13.45 | Timmi | yeah, I'm braindead. thanks for pointing that out. I'm a novice. |
| 05:13.46 | IndyGunFreak | Timmi, then you're not setting up ubuntu right most likely |
| 05:14.09 | IndyGunFreak | Timmi, just pointing out the obvious, mint and ubuntu differences, are strictly cosmetic |
| 05:14.09 | Timmi | I'm allowing it to set itself up |
| 05:14.28 | IndyGunFreak | sorry... you're gonna have to sell that to someone else |
| 05:14.38 | IndyGunFreak | cuz i know better |
| 05:15.05 | IndyGunFreak | you can dislike ubuntu, i don't care... its actually got me fairly torqued w/ 9.10... but don't say things that aren't true. |
| 05:15.19 | Timmi | well I tried ubuntu. I wanted to like it. |
| 05:15.32 | Timmi | because I was discontent with Mint lagging behind. |
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| 05:16.00 | Timmi | and also, I feel concerned that Mint has a couple key members in development. |
| 05:16.22 | Timmi | I have nothing against ubuntu, believe me. it just doesnt set up as automatically, for beginners like me. |
| 05:16.32 | IndyGunFreak | whats your wireless device? |
| 05:16.54 | Timmi | I tried it first time months ago, then again with 9.04, and the last I tried was the beta of 9.10 |
| 05:17.14 | Timmi | its quite common actually... I have the centrino chipset |
| 05:17.24 | IndyGunFreak | but whats the wireless chipset |
| 05:17.35 | IndyGunFreak | atheros, broadcom, ralink, etc..? |
| 05:17.41 | Timmi | intel |
| 05:17.46 | IndyGunFreak | lol |
| 05:17.46 | Timmi | centrino is made by intel. |
| 05:17.55 | IndyGunFreak | intel works out of the box w/ almost every linux distro |
| 05:18.51 | Timmi | well, in 904 i had to manually enable it for it to work, but mint found it and made it work without me having to. in the beta 9.10 it didnt even have the drivers... I guess I should download the release that came out today. |
| 05:19.36 | somiaj | only problem with intel is the firmware is non-free so you have to get it that way by debian policy. |
| 05:19.56 | Timmi | whyis it you're so stoked about 9.10? I didn't even see webcams mentioned on the ubuntu website- that's why I didn't rack my brains over it - they don't seem to care about that feature. |
| 05:20.19 | IndyGunFreak | i'm not stoked about 9.10 at all.. its actually got me fairly irritated |
| 05:20.20 | Timmi | well, with Mint, Knoppix, Fedora, Puppy, it works out of the box |
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| 05:21.22 | Timmi | I was irritated that ubuntu doesnt set up everything automatically. I wish the Mint team would just join the ubuntu team, so they can finish the job! (but there is probably infighting that led to them to create mint in the first place) |
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| 05:22.01 | somiaj | and in the end it isn't #debian. |
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| 05:22.19 | IndyGunFreak | well, here in a minute i'll see if debian is gonna detect my wireless.. i don't think it will. |
| 05:22.37 | somiaj | IndyGunFreak: what wireless card? |
| 05:22.43 | clarjon1 | it detected my card |
| 05:22.47 | Timmi | well, I guess not... I guess if in ubuntu they don't implement or support all of debian's features... |
| 05:22.49 | clarjon1 | just had to copy the firmware files for it |
| 05:23.21 | somiaj | I belive there is a non-free package for the intel firmware as well...if I recall correctaly |
| 05:23.28 | IndyGunFreak | somiaj, ar242x |
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| 05:24.02 | liable | lenny installer might see it, but it wont work |
| 05:24.05 | IndyGunFreak | i'm on a lan cable nowdoing a net install, so we'll see when i get started. |
| 05:24.18 | IndyGunFreak | liable, yeah, the installer saw it... but didn't work... |
| 05:24.39 | IndyGunFreak | liable, but it only wanted a wep password, i use WPA... maybe if i had turned security off, it might have worked |
| 05:25.05 | liable | nah, the version of ath5k in that kernel doesnt support 2425 cards |
| 05:25.26 | IndyGunFreak | what do you have to do, madwifi? |
| 05:25.29 | liable | i know, because i modified the installer for the eeepc team so it would |
| 05:25.31 | liable | yeah |
| 05:25.39 | IndyGunFreak | hmm, never used madwifi, is it hard? |
| 05:25.48 | somiaj | not really |
| 05:26.06 | liable | no, just get the source (in non-free) and compile it with module assistant. newer kernels ath5k works |
| 05:26.08 | IndyGunFreak | should i completely update my system before doing the madwifi thing.. or do it on a virgin system? |
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| 05:26.53 | ampx | anybody know how to install debian in raid 1 |
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| 05:29.07 | araa-kodok | tes |
| 05:29.09 | araa-kodok | hahaha |
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| 05:29.30 | araa-kodok | can i guess somethin here?? |
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| 05:31.30 | IndyGunFreak | man that freaking irritates me |
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| 05:41.12 | jetscreamer | just instal gno e |
| 05:41.15 | jetscreamer | gnome |
| 05:42.08 | jetscreamer | oh not here |
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| 06:01.52 | Shtl | Good Morning all |
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| 06:04.37 | Shtl | I have a problem with old system, its intel celron 1 GHz, with 256 MB of RAM, the problem is i was trying to copy some file of size more than 600 MB from my 8 GB pen drive to PC, it was not happening, it was copying only 150 or 200 MB and then stoping, i have 2 OSes on it XP and one more is Linux with ext4 support |
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| 06:06.22 | Shtl | what is the cause, may be USB speed mismatch i guess, but previously it was happened and recently the problem is coming |
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| 06:24.45 | oobe | Hi i was wondering if there is a bleeding edge sid install cd that comes with kde |
| 06:24.51 | oobe | 4.3 |
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| 06:33.24 | oobe | is there a netinstaller for squeeze i cant find it |
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| 06:36.33 | somiaj | oobe: just use the netinstaller for stable. In the past the testing installers have been broken as they update them. Then change your sources list and upgrade the base install to squeeze with a dist-upgrade and start from there |
| 06:37.42 | oobe | thanks i think that sounds like a good idea |
| 06:38.46 | liable | or run it in expert mode, it will let you install testing |
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| 06:38.47 | liable | 100 go in, only one returns! |
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| 06:39.26 | Supaplex | when I'm am ssh'ed in, I can trigger a segfault that saves a core dump. When I am in xorg, I don't get the core dump from a segfault. I have adjusted /etc/security/limits.conf to allow coredumps up to 1/2gb. Simple tests on 'sleep' for now. Is there anything I'm overlooking? |
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| 06:45.35 | deadman | hey anyone knows how to force the user to enter root passwd to mount filesystems? |
| 06:46.17 | Supaplex | yeah. disallow su, sudo, and leave the user option out of fstab, and don't use pmount etc. |
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| 06:46.39 | oobe | yeah but besides all those things |
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| 06:46.47 | liable | hah |
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| 06:47.00 | oobe | lol jk |
| 06:47.21 | deadman | Supaplex, im a complete newbie... can you say it in a bit lay man terminology |
| 06:47.40 | deadman | i know where fstab is but how to leave the user option out of fstab |
| 06:47.49 | nsadmin | deadman: threaten the user with a weapon? |
| 06:47.51 | Supaplex | with a text editor |
| 06:47.57 | Supaplex | !tell deadman -about grounding |
| 06:48.01 | deadman | mainly i want to disable the kids in my house from mounting weird storage devices |
| 06:48.28 | deadman | lol |
| 06:48.29 | Supaplex | uhm... that's by design. |
| 06:48.58 | liable | maybe chastity belts are in order |
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| 06:49.21 | nsadmin | the three of them over there are in order of height |
| 06:49.24 | Supaplex | grep user /etc/fstab | wc -l 0 = success, 1+ = fix it. |
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| 06:50.13 | Supaplex | usually, only root has permission to mount filesystems |
| 06:50.42 | liable | unless he has gnome or whatever which will automount |
| 06:50.53 | deadman | hmm but when i plug in any usb device it automatically mounts it |
| 06:51.12 | deadman | i have gnome |
| 06:51.29 | somiaj | deadman: I'm guessing your using ubuntu too? |
| 06:51.30 | \amethyst | not being in group plugdev should prevent that |
| 06:51.46 | liable | good point |
| 06:52.15 | liable | somiaj: how did you make that connection? |
| 06:52.16 | \amethyst | id -Gn and see if 'plugdev' is listed |
| 06:52.28 | deadman | somiaj, yes |
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| 06:52.37 | somiaj | liable: afiak debian doesn't automount things by default, but ubuntu does. |
| 06:52.45 | deadman | but its based on debian right? |
| 06:52.53 | somiaj | deadman: then why aren't you asking the question in #ubuntu |
| 06:52.53 | liable | somiaj: hmm, i thought gnome would these days |
| 06:52.54 | deadman | so im not in the wrong place am i? |
| 06:53.06 | deadman | somiaj, they are busy with other things i guess |
| 06:53.18 | nsadmin | actually debian will automount... |
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| 06:53.31 | nsadmin | deadman: but are you running debian? |
| 06:53.33 | somiaj | yea, but I thought you had to set that up, as in not by default. |
| 06:53.40 | deadman | im running ubuntu 9.10 |
| 06:53.50 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 06:53.51 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 06:54.21 | deadman | ok sorry |
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| 06:54.35 | deadman | :S i thought ubuntu was 99% debian |
| 06:54.45 | nsadmin | not even close... |
| 06:54.49 | deadman | last time i used debian... i couldnt find any difference between the both |
| 06:55.00 | nsadmin | the deal is... they take the unstable debian periodically |
| 06:55.05 | nsadmin | and they deal with it |
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| 06:55.40 | nsadmin | so ubuntu actually never touches debian stability |
| 06:55.52 | nsadmin | pretty much literally |
| 06:55.54 | deadman | oh! |
| 06:55.57 | deadman | i didnt know |
| 06:56.01 | jure | how much does debian benefit from upstream patches provided by ubuntu developers, if at all? |
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| 06:56.11 | dondelelcaro | jure: depends on the package |
| 06:56.22 | nsadmin | some debian developers are also ubuntu devs |
| 06:56.43 | jure | that's good to know. |
| 06:56.59 | deadman | its the same dream that ubuntu shares with debian |
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| 06:57.06 | deadman | a free and stable operating system |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | so ubuntu does some of their own work... |
| 06:57.38 | somiaj | deadman: fedora, slackware, gentoo, all have similar ideas and somethings are similar and some things are different. You don't see gentoo/fedora/slackware questions in here. |
| 06:57.40 | deadman | and they are both EXACTLY the same... besides a few features |
| 06:58.20 | nsadmin | no, they're not |
| 06:58.25 | deadman | gentoo/fedora/slackware are all distant cousins arent they? |
| 06:58.26 | somiaj | deadman: not even close, debian has far different standards on free, opensource (look up the DFSG) ubuntu uses a lot of stuff that would never make it into debian (except non-free packages) |
| 06:58.26 | deadman | :D |
| 06:58.51 | ^shark_ | any guide on configuring a PPoE connection, looking at http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE does not have sufficient information for a newbie like me |
| 06:59.07 | deadman | debian and ubuntu are much like twins! :D haha... |
| 06:59.23 | deadman | anyway im off to google... i need a solution for my headaches |
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| 06:59.31 | somiaj | deadman: debian also writes an os for far more processors than ubuntu and has stability across all the arches. There are a lot of difference, one is based on the other but it doesn't mean that they are the same and you should seek your support for the os you chose to use. |
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| 07:00.02 | nsadmin | ubuntu clones the babys and raises the copies |
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| 07:00.35 | nsadmin | the copy that stays in debian is raised by debian |
| 07:00.39 | deadman | nsadmin, :) but debian will never find a better brother than ubuntu |
| 07:00.44 | dondelelcaro | whatever it is or isn't isn't on topic here |
| 07:01.13 | deadman | ok that's sounds like i better get the f*** outta here |
| 07:01.16 | deadman | bye |
| 07:01.22 | deadman | sorry for the disturbance |
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| 07:03.27 | Supaplex | I suspect xrdp is not invoking a session via pam, and thus not applying any settings pam normally would. |
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| 07:10.27 | DrPantsMcgee | How would I find out used/avaliable disk space on debian via command line? |
| 07:10.40 | liable | du -h |
| 07:12.16 | DrPantsMcgee | thanks :) |
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| 07:12.46 | LobbyZ | right, so how do i edit my crontab on a empty file on a 5.0 system which does not allow you to 'go down' so to say |
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| 07:13.29 | LobbyZ | nevermind |
| 07:13.32 | LobbyZ | found out i needed nano |
| 07:14.04 | nsadmin | crontab -e |
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| 07:21.55 | Minima | w i get debain Installation files? |
| 07:22.06 | somiaj | Minima: debian.org |
| 07:22.17 | Minima | thanks |
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| 07:24.40 | massmc | how far off is squeeze from release |
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| 07:26.23 | PiousMinion | massmc: I would "guess" 6+ months. |
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| 07:26.37 | massmc | PiousMinion, that's when it becomes stable? |
| 07:26.48 | ^shark_ | any body know of a good tutorial on ppoe configuration |
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| 07:27.27 | massmc | i may aswell just install lenny then.. just thought squeeze wasnt too far off so was going to wait |
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| 07:27.45 | PiousMinion | massmc: that is a total guess. Actually, it might take that long before they start freezing packages. |
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| 07:28.43 | massmc | what does freezing packages mean |
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| 07:29.08 | PiousMinion | massmc: freezing is when they lock packages to a specific version and only allow security updates. Once all packages are frozen for a bit a stable release is made. |
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| 07:30.06 | massmc | thought it was something along those lines.. I'm off to dl lenny then.. take care |
| 07:30.30 | somiaj | massmc: it means that a packages are frozen at their current versions and the only changes are bug fixes to make them work in debian. i.e. you won't get new upstream code |
| 07:30.43 | PiousMinion | massmc: lenny is the way to go. :) |
| 07:31.43 | PiousMinion | Personally I use a rolling release distro for my desktop, but for servers I use nothing but rock solid debian stable. |
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| 07:32.41 | sixfish | hello, |
| 07:32.57 | sixfish | would this be a correct to download for a 64 bit operating system, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-500-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:33.28 | PiousMinion | yep |
| 07:33.34 | sixfish | cool thank you PiousMinion |
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| 07:33.49 | PiousMinion | wait |
| 07:33.59 | PiousMinion | right architecutre, but not newest version |
| 07:34.19 | sixfish | oh |
| 07:34.19 | PiousMinion | --> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:34.21 | sixfish | ok |
| 07:34.34 | sixfish | but it is for a 64bit operatying system correct ? |
| 07:35.01 | sixfish | its been so long, but i love Debian |
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| 07:35.07 | sixfish | always had best luck never faild on me :) |
| 07:35.12 | nsadmin | will work with 64 or 32 |
| 07:35.13 | sixfish | its bee na while since my last install |
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| 07:35.21 | sixfish | ok |
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| 07:35.56 | nsadmin | but if you really want 64 b, then probably you want amd64 |
| 07:36.09 | sixfish | nah im not going heavy stuff on it |
| 07:36.24 | PiousMinion | I'm a tard. 64-bit, current version. --> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 07:36.27 | sixfish | one question though, when i do install the net cd, does the standrad system feature install GUI ? |
| 07:36.35 | sixfish | oh PiousMinion i was wondering |
| 07:36.37 | sixfish | but i let it go hehe |
| 07:36.50 | PiousMinion | There is a GUI option for the installer, yes |
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| 07:37.24 | sixfish | does it already install under the Standard System option |
| 07:37.27 | sixfish | there is an optin there |
| 07:37.28 | sixfish | option* |
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| 07:37.37 | sixfish | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig2-p2 |
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| 07:37.46 | sixfish | just getting some ideas while it downloads |
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| 07:38.32 | PiousMinion | ahh, "desktop environment" is what you want for a GUI to be installed. |
| 07:38.45 | sixfish | ah ok |
| 07:38.51 | sixfish | thats all i wount want really to start |
| 07:38.54 | nsadmin | you can always install one after |
| 07:38.54 | sixfish | rest ill add later |
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| 07:39.02 | PiousMinion | I always do a base install and install the GUI stuff myself though. |
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| 07:39.13 | sixfish | hmm how do you go about doing that |
| 07:39.23 | sixfish | that link is giving me trouble for some odd reason |
| 07:39.56 | PiousMinion | Once the new system is booted you can run apt-get install [package] to install things. |
| 07:40.09 | sixfish | ia64 right ? |
| 07:40.14 | PiousMinion | no |
| 07:40.16 | nsadmin | no |
| 07:40.21 | PiousMinion | amd64 (even for intel) |
| 07:40.25 | sixfish | for some reason that last one wont do it |
| 07:40.36 | sixfish | ok gotcha |
| 07:40.40 | nsadmin | ia64 is probably not what you want, it's for itanium |
| 07:40.41 | PiousMinion | ia64 is for intel chips with no 32bit support. |
| 07:40.44 | sixfish | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:40.56 | PiousMinion | that link is correct |
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| 07:41.10 | sixfish | ah even smaller :) |
| 07:41.14 | sixfish | cool |
| 07:41.47 | sixfish | is it safe to install sudo ? |
| 07:43.00 | PiousMinion | if configured correctly, yes |
| 07:43.25 | sixfish | ok |
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| 07:46.14 | sixfish | should my first step be to update and upgrade ? |
| 07:47.02 | nsadmin | what do you have now? |
| 07:47.14 | PiousMinion | yes |
| 07:48.05 | sixfish | ok |
| 07:48.12 | nsadmin | your first step should be to consider the data already on any connected storage, and consider its value... if it has value, you should back it up? |
| 07:48.26 | sixfish | correct |
| 07:48.50 | sixfish | that would be correct |
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| 07:49.07 | sixfish | i will backup before even installing, it will be ok to install even though vista is in place ? |
| 07:49.25 | PiousMinion | generally |
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| 07:50.05 | sixfish | ok |
| 07:51.36 | rahsputin | hi. i have Serial Mouse "Trust"/Ami Mouse Serial. Any ideas what protocol it take in xorg.conf? |
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| 07:54.14 | nsadmin | one final word of caution... be sure you can restore from your backup |
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| 07:57.06 | iceroot | why kicking for 5 min idle? |
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| 07:59.44 | sixfish | nsadmin i always just backup everything on cds that way i can always do a fresh install of whatever |
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| 08:00.03 | sixfish | nsadmin btw, speaking of that, if i did a full format on my hardrive, could that be restored any possible way ? |
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| 08:00.36 | nsadmin | a full format? |
| 08:00.41 | sixfish | correct |
| 08:00.46 | sixfish | ./format all :) |
| 08:01.02 | nsadmin | is that a llf? |
| 08:01.08 | xingu | !dban |
| 08:01.09 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq |
| 08:01.10 | sixfish | heh |
| 08:01.34 | sixfish | hmm |
| 08:01.45 | sixfish | could the fbi restore the data? :] |
| 08:01.46 | sixfish | heh |
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| 08:02.02 | PiousMinion | dban will securely (and very very slowly) erase data. That is not always wanted/needed. |
| 08:02.08 | nsadmin | who knows what they can do |
| 08:02.13 | sixfish | correct, slowly the better i know that one |
| 08:02.35 | nsadmin | do you need for the fbi to restore the data? |
| 08:02.51 | sixfish | nah just cruious how well it can be done |
| 08:02.57 | sixfish | you always compare it to the best right? |
| 08:02.58 | sixfish | :) |
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| 08:05.10 | sixfish | DBAN is a means of ensuring due diligence in computer recycling, a way of preventing identity theft if you want to sell a computer, and a good way to totally clean a Microsoft Windows installation of viruses and spyware. DBAN prevents or thoroughly hinders all known techniques of hard disk forensic analysis. |
| 08:05.24 | sixfish | "DBAN prevents or thoroughly hinders all known techniques of hard disk forensic analysis." |
| 08:05.37 | xingu | unless you use it on an ssd |
| 08:05.40 | sixfish | now the question is how well do you guys trust DBAN :) |
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| 08:05.49 | sixfish | xingu, ssd ? |
| 08:06.05 | xingu | solid state disk. |
| 08:06.37 | sixfish | yeap. i am behind in my stuff |
| 08:06.38 | sixfish | lol |
| 08:06.45 | sixfish | some high tech disks? |
| 08:07.05 | xingu | !giyf |
| 08:07.05 | dpkg | it has been said that giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 08:07.06 | sixfish | solid-state memory to store persistent data. ... |
| 08:07.18 | sixfish | nice |
| 08:07.24 | sixfish | solid state to store presisten data |
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| 08:07.29 | sixfish | who would use such disks |
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| 08:09.07 | sixfish | fbi? heh |
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| 08:18.19 | nettezzaumana | hi |
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| 08:19.02 | sixfish | what is kernel-package |
| 08:20.49 | MarkGi | Hi, I am newbie trying to write a bash script to update embedded users from Ubuntu (which dropped armv5 support yesterday) to Debian. My script is working great, but it's got a small problem I have this: http://pastebin.com/m4aee05d1 But it's failing on some machines, as their hardware identifies itself as "armv5tejl" How can I change this to check with a wildcard: armv5* |
| 08:20.56 | somiaj | sixfish: apt-cache show kernel-package |
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| 08:21.17 | sixfish | havent goten it installed yet heh |
| 08:21.46 | somiaj | sixfish: apt-cache gives you info on any package in your repo, type that command |
| 08:21.57 | somiaj | sixfish: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 08:22.47 | nsadmin | MarkGi: grep can do those kinds of things |
| 08:23.07 | sixfish | somiaj ok |
| 08:23.15 | MarkGi | I was trying to work out how to use grep and pipes, but failing badly :-( |
| 08:23.16 | sixfish | which distro come in 2.6.27 now |
| 08:23.34 | somiaj | sixfish: apt-cache search, apt-cache show are very useful commands |
| 08:23.56 | sixfish | i remember some |
| 08:24.15 | somiaj | sixfish: packages.debian.org/kernel-image |
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| 08:24.22 | telmich | good morning |
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| 08:25.53 | telmich | I'm searching for someone who is responsable for the libnss-ldap package or libnss, because my debian currently forgets about its users |
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| 08:26.12 | telmich | this is causing me a major pain in the ..., as described on http://www.nico.schottelius.org/blog/debian-with-ldap-forgets-users/ |
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| 08:28.14 | mhymn | MarkGi: try #bash |
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| 08:32.08 | paseante | when a package has suffix as in libsnmp-5.2.3-7etch2, what does the 7etch2 part mean? |
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| 08:32.54 | somiaj | <package>-<upstreamversion>-<debian subversion> |
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| 08:33.18 | somiaj | so the 7etch2 is a version number based on the number of patches/bug fixes the matainer has applied to it, including security updates |
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| 08:33.49 | maxagaz | is it possible to delete all message from a given sender directly with postsuper ? |
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| 08:33.57 | somiaj | mostly they will have security fixes and bug fixes since etch was frozen |
| 08:34.30 | paseante | somiaj: ok, thanks! |
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| 08:49.51 | holycow | hi guys |
| 08:50.05 | holycow | i just rebooted and my box thinks ext3 is ext4 and refules to mount it |
| 08:50.19 | holycow | i was only rsyncing files from that drive to another. |
| 08:50.34 | holycow | any tips on how one might deal with this? |
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| 08:53.30 | dubphil | Hello, I don't understand something on my server, I have a sata raid1 with a partition of 20Go for the system and another partition of 700Go for /home, I have almost 1Go of applications and logs in /var and /usr but my partition /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 mounted on "/" shows 100% (full) with df but my /home is ok, any idea what is wrong ? |
| 08:54.25 | Upgreydd | hi, i compiled python from source and the "./configure" for other application's can't find python headers. How to compile python headers? |
| 08:55.42 | Upgreydd | i know that python headers are in python-dev, but i can't use apt. Any ideas? |
| 08:55.50 | ssm | dubphil: you could find out where your space is going by doing "du -x / | sort -n" as root. It may take a while |
| 08:56.49 | dubphil | ssm: I doubt 16Go could have been used by something isn't it ? |
| 08:57.11 | somiaj | dubphil: do you do lots of installs via apt-get or upgrades? |
| 08:57.21 | ssm | dubphil: you never know :) |
| 08:57.52 | dubphil | somiaj: yes but I have just did aptitude clean and I didnot recover much places |
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| 08:57.58 | ssm | dubphil: also, check with "lsof +L 1" as root to see if you've got large, open, deleted files taking up space |
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| 08:58.52 | somiaj | dubphil: alrighty, just saying a common place that can get fairly full if you don't clean it. [i prefer autoclean myself though] |
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| 09:01.50 | ethanol | hey I want to write a "proper" init.d script for iptables on our servers, but iptables isn't exactly a daemon nor a service is it, or am I wrong here? I mean, start-stop-daemon does not apply here right? |
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| 09:03.33 | PiousMinion | ethanol: make 2 bash scripts. one for starting and one for stopping. each containing all your iptables commands. I don't think you can use start-stop-daemon |
| 09:03.37 | holycow | from what i understand it is part of the kernel, so if the kernel is compiled with it you can really only allow/not allow all trafic as an analogue to start/stop daemons |
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| 09:03.57 | ethanol | PiousMinion: yeah I figured as much |
| 09:04.25 | somiaj | ethanol: for standards you just want your init.d script to know what to do if it is sent 'start' or 'stop' |
| 09:04.28 | ethanol | so I guess I can only provide start, stop, reload in a figurative manner |
| 09:04.50 | somiaj | ethanol: I'd write a single script and if the argument is 'start' put your file wall up, if it is 'stop' flush the firewall, and you could even add a 'restart'. |
| 09:04.59 | ethanol | yeah |
| 09:05.23 | ethanol | reload would just read rules from /etc/firewall.conf or something, thus undoing any damage you might have done manually (provided you had not saved yet to the same file) |
| 09:05.47 | ethanol | or otherwise load blanc / pre-defined rules if said file does not exist |
| 09:05.47 | somiaj | ethanol: because as debian starts up/down and goes though the /etc/rc?.d links it sends the scripts the 'start', 'reload', 'stop' command depending on if it is booting up, changing runlevels or shuting down. |
| 09:06.52 | ethanol | should I also throw this service on at runlevel 1? or only starting from 2? |
| 09:07.04 | ethanol | I'm confused about the difference, 1 is single user, 2-5 is multi |
| 09:07.18 | neoice | instead of using an initscript, look at /etc/network/pre-up |
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| 09:07.32 | ethanol | neoice: yeah I use those for saving/restoring |
| 09:07.50 | ethanol | neoice: but it doesn't exactly give me simple clean start/stop commands |
| 09:07.57 | neoice | I wish debian came with a default iptables script |
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| 09:08.09 | neoice | Gentoo's is pretty nice |
| 09:08.22 | ethanol | and I just want to write this for fun, it's interesting and a simple learning experience :> |
| 09:09.02 | neoice | you should link me to it when you're done :D |
| 09:09.19 | neoice | sounds like our setups are very similar |
| 09:09.42 | neoice | (protip: set chains to ACCEPT on stop.) |
| 09:09.44 | Sia- | is in debian squeeze plan to tkae iceweasel 3.5? |
| 09:09.50 | Sia- | 'take* |
| 09:09.52 | ethanol | meh |
| 09:09.55 | somiaj | ethanol: you could write a script that can be called with start/stop/reload, but instead of having it in /etc/rc?.d, have it ran when your interfaces are brought up and down..[this way its more tied to the /etc/init.d/networking script] |
| 09:10.17 | neoice | ethanol: no meh. --flush doesnt change a chains default policy. so if your default is DROP and you flush, you lose your ALLOW rules. |
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| 09:11.03 | ethanol | neoice: I know, I once made that mistake :P |
| 09:11.11 | ethanol | neoark: always change policy before flushing |
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| 09:11.35 | ethanol | this is what I currently use (well, I just started adding the top part) -- http://pastie.org/676463 |
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| 09:11.56 | gothenburg | In Windows I miss the apt-get dist-upgrade command |
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| 09:15.15 | neoice | ethanol: if you're using iptables-save/restore, why are you hardcoding rules in the init script? |
| 09:15.35 | ethanol | neoice: like I said, this is what I -used- to use, in the process of rewriting it |
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| 09:15.47 | ethanol | neoice: there's no start/stop/flush etc yet |
| 09:15.52 | neoice | k :D |
| 09:16.23 | ethanol | basically everything below the help function is old. |
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| 09:16.32 | ethanol | it was just a run once and be done with it script |
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| 09:16.44 | ethanol | then only had save/restore on if-post-down and if-pre-up |
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| 09:19.19 | maxagaz | on which does ping ping on the a machine by default ? |
| 09:20.04 | ethanol | uh |
| 09:20.13 | ethanol | in english? |
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| 09:23.24 | ethanol | on a side note, when you have both a local and external interface, saving and restoring is done twice when you bring both up or both down, kinda silly :< |
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| 09:23.38 | Duddle | hello! I'd like to get the # of unread local mails via shell, but can't find a suitable command. any ideas? |
| 09:24.09 | twiggz | mail |
| 09:24.19 | twiggz | lol. |
| 09:24.59 | Duddle | well, mail is interactive |
| 09:25.01 | maxagaz | what is the port number of icmp protocol ? |
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| 09:25.17 | ethanol | that's a google question :< |
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| 09:27.26 | remoteCTR1 | hi guys! i know its a little offtopic but since msql flew out of the distro i need to converst a msql database to a mysql database can somebody point me the way to a proper howto please? |
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| 09:29.30 | sxp | Hi, i was installed squeeze and i can not launch xdm because i can not change my Display resolution. |
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| 09:29.50 | sauvin | remoteCTR1, the boys in #mysql may have some ideas |
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| 09:29.59 | sxp | i have not got xorg.conf |
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| 09:30.04 | remoteCTR1 | sauvin, ah! nice, thanks:) |
| 09:30.58 | sxp | in lenny, i change the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf: SubSection "Display" modes "800x600" EndSubSection |
| 09:31.15 | sxp | but in squeeze i can not do that |
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| 09:32.58 | dubphil | ssm: yeah I have found it, it was a samba share that did not get mount then all my backup went in /mnt then filled the "/" mounted partition |
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| 09:33.17 | ethanol | neoice: what do you reckon the difference between reload and restart should be? |
| 09:33.42 | ethanol | neoice: or what should their behavior be? I imagine restart could simply reset the counters? |
| 09:33.47 | dubphil | I should find a way to prevent the backup to work if the samba share is not mounted |
| 09:35.42 | somiaj | dubphil: should just be able the see check /proc/mounts, if its not there act accordinally |
| 09:36.07 | mhymn | sxp: '/msg dpkg xorg config squeeze' might help |
| 09:38.15 | mhymn | dpkg: +tell sxp -about xorg config squeeze |
| 09:38.15 | dpkg | told sxp about xorg config squeeze. |
| 09:42.17 | dubphil | somiaj: ok I will do this check before running the backup, thanks a lot ! |
| 09:42.23 | twiggz | X -configure ! |
| 09:42.35 | twiggz | Its sad how often you still have to do that... |
| 09:42.48 | twiggz | I hate this no xorg.conf xorg |
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| 09:42.54 | twiggz | it sucks on every setup I have. |
| 09:43.17 | twiggz | Used to nail my settings wonderfully.. |
| 09:43.20 | somiaj | dubphil: not sure if that is 100% sure though. for the mount point could be there but if the server goes down you may still have issues so there may be a better way to check. This way is just simple. |
| 09:43.34 | ssm | dubphil: good you found it. :) |
| 09:43.53 | somiaj | dubphil: i.e. if the server with the mount point crashes/goes down, the mount point will still exist, but writing to it could cause problems. |
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| 09:46.29 | dubphil | somiaj: yes you are right I will see at first with your simple solution and will see forward if I have again some problems |
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| 09:47.52 | krionux | yo |
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| 09:48.05 | somiaj | dubphil: one other suggestion. if the mount point is only needed to back up you could have a script that mounts it, if it mounts sucessful (check exit codes) back up data to it, then unmount it. |
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| 09:49.45 | somiaj | dubphil: if it doesn't mount sucessfuly, send you an email saying the backup failed |
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| 09:50.06 | andriijas | how do i change "status" of a package from pi to ii when doing dpkg -l ? |
| 09:50.39 | dubphil | somiaj: yes this sound even better :) |
| 09:51.10 | somiaj | andriijas: I'd reinstall it from the original deb. |
| 09:51.34 | dubphil | I will check if i can run pre and post commands with backupninja |
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| 09:51.57 | andriijas | somiaj: is there any reinstall flag to apt-get install ? |
| 09:52.57 | somiaj | andriijas: apt-get --reinstall install <blah>. the deb may also be located in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you haven't cleaned them out since you downloaded it in the first place. |
| 09:53.14 | somiaj | andriijas: of course this info is in 'man apt-get' |
| 09:53.38 | andriijas | somiaj: thanks |
| 09:53.41 | andriijas | have a nice day |
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| 10:09.29 | sash_ | good morning everybody. can someone here tell me, if there is a reason, why avidemux is not in the debian-repositories? i compiled it by now but i really would like to know that. |
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| 10:10.06 | liable | its in dmm repo |
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| 10:10.08 | liable | !dmm |
| 10:10.08 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 10:10.34 | sash_ | liable: well, but its not official. and i do not want to use it :) |
| 10:10.57 | liable | shrug, that factoid explains why anyway |
| 10:11.13 | somiaj | sash_: probabaly because the package dose not follow the DFSG |
| 10:12.07 | sash_ | somiaj: could be. but i think, liable/dpkg gave the answer. patent-related reasons |
| 10:12.36 | somiaj | sash_: which breaks the DFSG |
| 10:12.43 | sash_ | k ^^ |
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| 10:16.38 | mazzachre | Is the tomcat6 package for lenny working and everything? Or should I fetch a new one from apache? |
| 10:17.12 | azeem | mazzachre: why should it not work? |
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| 10:18.42 | reber | hi all |
| 10:19.33 | reber | http://freelancing-god.github.com/ts/en/ <-- having this sphinxsearch packaged would be cool. |
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| 10:22.52 | krionux | sometines, i do a grep with -E '(one|two)' |
| 10:23.06 | krionux | and that give me all line with one OR two |
| 10:23.25 | krionux | i wonder how i could do to match line with one AND two on the same line |
| 10:24.12 | icebrain | one.*two ? |
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| 10:24.39 | krionux | don't know, will try |
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| 10:25.28 | riz_ | I have a problem with gdm: it can't start gnome, only gnome file safe. I tried to reinstall gdm package but nothing change. Could someone give me a suggest? |
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| 10:28.48 | shad0w | i use mainly apt-get but i read that aptitude is better |
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| 10:28.55 | shad0w | can some1 explain why? |
| 10:29.38 | azeem | !why aptitude |
| 10:29.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 10:30.48 | shad0w | hmm ok thnx azeem |
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| 10:37.27 | yacyac | how do i enable sshd |
| 10:37.58 | azeem | yacyac: install openssh-server |
| 10:37.59 | riz_ | yacyac apt-get install openssh-server |
| 10:38.17 | yacyac | ok |
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| 10:38.22 | yacyac | how do i configure it |
| 10:38.39 | azeem | yacyac: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:38.40 | riz_ | vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:42.11 | yacyac | thanks |
| 10:42.23 | yacyac | works great |
| 10:42.42 | yacyac | tell me one thing.. how do i change the source list from cdrom to mirror |
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| 10:45.17 | riz_ | yacyac install apt-spy |
| 10:45.26 | yacyac | whats apt-spy for ? |
| 10:45.55 | riz_ | yacyac for checking your best mirror |
| 10:46.21 | yacyac | it says couldnt find the package |
| 10:46.32 | yacyac | i think i will have to update it |
| 10:46.36 | riz_ | :) |
| 10:46.48 | riz_ | yacyac which version of debian? |
| 10:46.52 | yacyac | lenny |
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| 10:47.37 | riz_ | ok install apt-spy and use it |
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| 10:47.40 | riz_ | apt-spy -d lenny -a europe |
| 10:47.50 | riz_ | (if you came from europe) |
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| 10:48.35 | riz_ | lenny is now stable? |
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| 10:49.07 | mazzachre | azeem: The reason I ask is because when I google, I get a million different ways to install tomcat6 on debian-lenny... So I am not sure why... |
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| 11:04.26 | inckie | im running this command: stty 115200 cs8 -parenb -parodd -F /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 11:04.30 | inckie | and im getting this back |
| 11:04.31 | inckie | stty: /dev/ttyUSB0: unable to perform all requested operations |
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| 11:08.08 | neoice | ethanol: reload should do iptables-restore again |
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| 11:08.21 | neoice | ethanol: since if you're using a file, you might want to change the file and then reload the rules |
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| 11:22.52 | ethanol | neoice: agreed :) |
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| 11:36.22 | ethanol | neoice: may I pm you regarding this? |
| 11:37.04 | neoice | ethanol: sure thing, I'll be back in a sec |
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| 11:47.28 | yang | I am getting such xrdp error, when trying to connect with vnc client - http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/303/xrdp.jpg |
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| 11:50.18 | PsiKlops | hi. when buid a custom kernel with the commands: make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image in the /usr/src/linux.xxx directory, is it ok to do so as root, when building it for a foreign machine? |
| 11:50.23 | PsiKlops | no |
| 11:50.25 | PsiKlops | lol |
| 11:50.27 | PsiKlops | sorry |
| 11:50.36 | PsiKlops | bout that , just found that out |
| 11:50.39 | PsiKlops | cd .. |
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| 12:02.21 | bolt | what does "rc" stand for in, like, .screenrc ? |
| 12:04.09 | ssm | bolt: run control, I think |
| 12:04.31 | mesaGL | resource |
| 12:04.33 | ssm | *googleabit* ... bolt: see http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch10s03.html |
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| 12:15.16 | uwjweq | How can I loop a command n times? |
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| 12:15.40 | caraconan | Hi. I can't install nagios3: http://pastebin.com/m1a92e25 How can I fix it? Thanks |
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| 12:16.06 | et | Hi. My console output seems to appear in a broken order - or broken anyway, sometimes the shell output destroys the prompt, lines don't move up in the terminal emulator ... also happens in virtual consoles, and seems to get a lot worse when i go from 2.6.26 to 2.6.31 - is this problem known? I think i didn't have it before switching to an amd phenom cpu (core2duo before), but i'm not sure |
| 12:16.53 | FilipeMaia | How can I figure out an IP from the MAC address? |
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| 12:17.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | FilipeMaia: arp? |
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| 12:18.58 | Hyperzid | How do I find out which encoding type.. eg. latin1 or utf8.. a file is? |
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| 12:19.33 | FilipeMaia | Kamping_Kaiser, so i should run arp and wait until it shows up? |
| 12:19.45 | ethanol | http://gist.github.com/222299 -- not sure if my required-stop/required-start are proper though, no clue on those to be honest |
| 12:20.01 | danners | hi i'm using windows xp under kvm on testing. I want to add iso files from my host to the winsystem and did that with virt-manager, but they don't show up can someone help? |
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| 12:20.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | FilipeMaia: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:21.48 | caraconan | <danners> it's enough for you if you mount the .iso on the parent linux system and then see from child windows virtual machine? |
| 12:22.10 | danners | caraconan: yes that would be okay |
| 12:23.24 | FilipeMaia | Kamping_Kaiser, i'm trying to figure out who has a certain MAC address. But i already did actually |
| 12:23.29 | caraconan | 1) install samba |
| 12:23.35 | caraconan | on the linux parent |
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| 12:24.01 | caraconan | 2) mount iso on linux parent: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /ruta/fichero.iso /ruta/punto/montaje |
| 12:24.17 | caraconan | 3) run windows virtual machine |
| 12:24.28 | caraconan | I don't know if it's too complicated... :) |
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| 12:24.51 | danners | caraconan: i will try it like that thanks |
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| 12:26.04 | caraconan | you're wellcome |
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| 12:29.17 | Hyperzid | How do I change a file from utf8 encoding to latin1? |
| 12:29.30 | Hyperzid | I remember there was a command for this |
| 12:29.36 | petemc | iconv ? |
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| 12:30.09 | Mereep | hi I just installed debian on my laptop but when I try to boot it says that it didn't found bootable device |
| 12:30.36 | Mereep | can any1 help? |
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| 12:32.06 | Shtl | i have a problem copying file of more than 500 MB from pen drive to my PC intel celron 1 GHz 256 MB RAM from my usb pen drive of 8 GB, not fully copying only 150 to 200 MB its happening, what can be the problem?? |
| 12:32.12 | Hyperzid | petemc: iconv: conversion from uft8 unsupported |
| 12:32.45 | bolt | Shtl: how are you copying it? |
| 12:32.58 | bolt | Shtl: do you get any error messages in the console / system logs ? |
| 12:33.02 | Shtl | through CLI |
| 12:33.42 | Shtl | no error on konsole, if copy through GUI then its says file cannot be read |
| 12:34.15 | bolt | Shtl: check system logs |
| 12:34.33 | Shtl | but on other systems no problem |
| 12:35.00 | bolt | are you using kanotix by any chance? |
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| 12:35.08 | Shtl | no |
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| 12:35.13 | bolt | just checking |
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| 12:35.36 | Shtl | its Linux-Mint with ext4 file system |
| 12:35.41 | bolt | ... |
| 12:35.50 | bolt | try on a debian system, then |
| 12:36.12 | jelly | !mint |
| 12:36.13 | dpkg | Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we are unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 12:36.20 | mesaGL | isn't mint a wanton ubuntuism ? |
| 12:36.31 | Shtl | ok |
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| 12:37.05 | bolt | basically, you just told us you have a problem on mint that you don't have on "other systems" |
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| 12:37.13 | bolt | i'd say you pretty much have a mint problem then |
| 12:37.19 | Shtl | ok |
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| 12:37.38 | venezolanaDebian | Hello |
| 12:37.45 | bolt | howdy |
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| 12:41.42 | caraconan | Hi. I can't find nagios3-common (= 3.2.0-2) amd64. The link points to version 3.2.0-4 => http://packages.debian.org/sid/nagios3-common. Some help? |
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| 12:42.20 | venezolanaDebian | someone is there to talk |
| 12:42.56 | caraconan | <venezolanaDebian> talk and you will be answered |
| 12:43.34 | mhymn | judd: versions nagios3-common |
| 12:43.35 | judd | mhymn: nagios3-common -- sid: 3.0.3-3 lenny: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.6-3 lenny-security: 3.0.6-4~lenny2 etch-backports: 3.0.6-5~bpo40+1 squeeze: 3.2.0-1 sid: 3.2.0-4 |
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| 12:44.40 | mhymn | judd: versions nagios3-common --arch amd64 |
| 12:44.41 | judd | mhymn: nagios3-common -- sid: 3.0.3-3 lenny: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.6-3 lenny-security: 3.0.6-4~lenny2 etch-backports: 3.0.6-5~bpo40+1 squeeze: 3.2.0-1 sid: 3.2.0-4 |
| 12:44.54 | mesaGL | caraconan: welcome to life with sid. this kinda thing happens all the time. usually things fix themselves after a few days tho |
| 12:45.49 | caraconan | Ok, I'm working on a squeeze system, but seems nagios3 and nagios3-cgi packages are broken... |
| 12:45.56 | caraconan | Thanks |
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| 12:46.08 | caraconan | I will just wait some days |
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| 12:47.01 | caraconan | I found it here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nagios3/ |
| 12:47.44 | caraconan | No, my file is not present:( |
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| 12:48.52 | ustunozgur | what should the permissions of a .forward file be? I have put a .forward file with permission 644 but the mail is not forwarded. |
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| 12:49.05 | careta | i have two packages which have been broken for a few days now with this message "unable to execute installed post-installation script: Exec format error", how can I delete them? |
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| 12:55.50 | caraconan | <careta> aptitude purge my_packae |
| 12:55.56 | caraconan | Maybe nagios3 ? |
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| 12:57.25 | careta | caraconan, aptitude says "dpkg: error processing python-pexpect (--purge): |
| 12:57.25 | careta | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.04 | caraconan | Bufff no idea, sorry |
| 12:58.16 | caraconan | dpkg -l | grep my_package what code returns? |
| 12:58.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep my_package what code returns |
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| 13:00.06 | careta | caraconan, pF python-pexpect 2.3-1 Python module for automating interactive applications |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | can you put the whole error message in a pastebin ? |
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| 13:02.19 | careta | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d2f860f51 |
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| 13:05.00 | abrotman | careta: which version of debian is this? |
| 13:05.25 | careta | abrotman, squeeze |
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| 13:09.48 | abrotman | careta: can you run any bash scripts at all ? |
| 13:10.08 | careta | yes abrotman and I can install and remove other packages |
| 13:10.19 | careta | it just complains |
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| 13:12.22 | abrotman | careta: could you put /var/lib/dpkg/info/kanjidic.prerm in the pastebin ? |
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| 13:13.21 | careta | abrotman, the file is empty |
| 13:13.29 | abrotman | really? |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | but it exists ? |
| 13:14.16 | Raven737 | Hi.. so my lovely IT department 'discovered' that one of my servers isn't 'maxing out' it |
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| 13:14.42 | Raven737 | it's allocated resources (a VMware system) so now they want to reduce the rsopurce allocation |
| 13:14.48 | careta | yes abrotman it exists |
| 13:14.50 | careta | but empty |
| 13:15.11 | abrotman | careta: moment |
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| 13:15.29 | abrotman | careta: apt-cache policy kanjidic .. what is Installed/Candidate ? |
| 13:15.43 | Raven737 | the argument 'it's a vmware, if it's not used other can use it' and 'it has to have the resources when it needs it' apperently don't count |
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| 13:16.23 | careta | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d4c310c25 |
| 13:16.27 | Creap | I added prepend statements to dhclient.conf, and ran sudo dhclient and it works fine |
| 13:16.40 | Creap | then the lease time runs out and dhcp renews and it vanishes from resolv.conf |
| 13:16.44 | Raven737 | Does anybody know of some tools that can 'max out' resources on a low prio basis (so it appears to be using much more but when something really needs it then it's given)? |
| 13:16.48 | Creap | how can I know what's running and editing it? |
| 13:16.53 | abrotman | Raven737: just CPU ? |
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| 13:17.15 | Raven737 | abrotman: no, mem is even more iportant and io too |
| 13:17.29 | abrotman | compile a kernel in a loop? :) |
| 13:17.54 | abrotman | not sure how intensive something like FAH is |
| 13:18.06 | Raven737 | but if the cpu looks like at avg of 75% instead of 25% it would be good too ;) |
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| 13:19.04 | Raven737 | abrotman: yea i did something like that (run iozone in loop etc) but it's high prio so when my apache/mysql server need it it's nor avail :( |
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| 13:21.26 | Raven737 | ok i don't evn know exactly how priority works in debian, is it just for execution (cpu) or also for resources like mem and io? |
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| 13:23.16 | Raven737 | Ok, it would be even better if the app did something usefull... isn't there something that can use physical memory to speed up io by caching? |
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| 13:25.41 | d1b | Raven737: yes. |
| 13:26.01 | d1b | there is a generic filesystem caching daemon i believe. :) |
| 13:26.07 | d1b | or you can use tmpfs :) |
| 13:26.12 | abrotman | Raven737: if you use 'free' .. how much is unused ? |
| 13:26.17 | abrotman | and how are they measuring it? |
| 13:27.00 | Raven737 | d1b: thank you, will look those up :) |
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| 13:27.31 | abrotman | Raven737: F@H will renice itself to a lower priority .. it does use CPU and RAM, not sure about IO |
| 13:27.48 | abrotman | careta: still looking .. hold on |
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| 13:28.45 | Raven737 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m6a3010a2 |
| 13:29.13 | Raven737 | abrotman: Thank you, F@H is a very good idea, might as well do something usefull =) |
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| 13:29.56 | abrotman | Raven737: that really is a lot of free RAM .. |
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| 13:31.00 | Raven737 | abrotman: yes, but i'm in the process of upgrading mysql to the x64 version, then much moer will be used (cached) |
| 13:31.10 | a-s | I downloaded a video from the web, and it is in .sitx format |
| 13:31.22 | a-s | somebody can help me to uncompress it? |
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| 13:31.49 | Raven737 | abrotman: since it is a VMware Infrastructure system they can just look at the management console.. but they just take the average and say 'well that MUST be enough' |
| 13:32.28 | Raven737 | abrotman: it's stupid becuase if they just make available the resources but they are not used vmware can reuse them for other systems |
| 13:32.43 | mhymn | a-s: file yourfile.sitx ? |
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| 13:33.36 | danisahne | hi i need some help or a howto for setting up imap mail |
| 13:33.44 | danisahne | postfix works |
| 13:33.50 | Raven737 | abrotman: besides, less then 50% mem free is not a 'lot' i think ;) |
| 13:34.17 | danisahne | imap daemon |
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| 13:35.33 | ranix | danisahne: use courier-imap |
| 13:35.38 | ranix | and saslauthd |
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| 13:35.57 | ranix | courier is going to want Maildir depositing |
| 13:36.06 | danisahne | ok i need just something easy yes |
| 13:36.29 | danisahne | and what is the standard maildir? |
| 13:36.39 | Raven737 | Well thanks for the suggestions.. i know, stupid sollutions for stupid problems :( |
| 13:38.28 | danisahne | ranix: and how does the auth work? |
| 13:38.34 | ranix | !tell danisahne about google |
| 13:38.51 | abrotman | danisahne: courier/dovecot are both nice .. cyrus does Maildir-ish |
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| 13:41.39 | abrotman | careta: still around ? |
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| 13:41.51 | careta | yes abrotman |
| 13:42.11 | abrotman | careta: i'm going to pastebin some stuff for you |
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| 13:42.57 | abrotman | careta: http://paste.debian.net/50336 |
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| 13:43.52 | abrotman | careta: that's what the prerm should be for that package |
| 13:44.13 | careta | thanks! |
| 13:44.24 | careta | shall i use the same for python-pexpect? |
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| 13:46.13 | abrotman | careta: no, see if that one fails again, if it does i'll get that one for you also |
| 13:46.39 | inckie | how do i configure com ports, with correct baud and flow control, using chat? |
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| 13:46.55 | careta | abrotman, it worked perfectly. |
| 13:47.11 | abrotman | careta: enjoy |
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| 13:48.14 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
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| 13:48.55 | _pepo_ | I am trying to install Squeeze in IBM x3550 server, do you know what modules I need for the ethernet card? |
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| 13:51.52 | d1b | _pepo_: is it not working out of the box :) |
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| 13:53.31 | d1b | _pepo_: i would guess e1000 ... not sure tho. |
| 13:53.46 | cosmo_ | hello, does anyone know how to modify control file's build-dependencies BEFORE checking for them? |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | _pepo_: is it a pretty new machine? do you know which NIC you have? |
| 13:54.03 | cosmo_ | ie. changing build-deps depending on system configuration |
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| 13:54.36 | _pepo_ | no, i dont know... ill try to get the data sheet now |
| 13:54.42 | azeem | cosmo_: before checking them how? |
| 13:55.03 | clarjon1 | Integrated dual Gigabit Ethernet on that server |
| 13:55.06 | clarjon1 | according to ibm |
| 13:55.21 | clarjon1 | _pepo_: What do you see when you do an ifconfig? |
| 13:55.36 | ranix | almost everything has e1000 |
| 13:55.40 | cosmo_ | azeem: i'd like to have my makefiles modify it, to allow different dependencies on different platforms |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | clarjon1: that's not helpful .. lots of people make those |
| 13:56.01 | cosmo_ | probably this is wrong thing to do, but i'd like to hear better ideas |
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| 13:56.13 | azeem | cosmo_: the proper way to do this is using different options to ./configure depending on platform |
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| 13:56.23 | azeem | cosmo_: or look at arch-specific Build-Depends |
| 13:56.25 | clarjon1 | abrotman: That's on the spec sheet for the server from IBM's site |
| 13:56.37 | cosmo_ | it's a Qt project, so no ./configure |
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| 13:56.56 | azeem | cosmo_: is it cmake? |
| 13:56.58 | ranix | clarjon1: it's just that having two gigabit ethernet is not unusual |
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| 13:57.09 | cosmo_ | and i think ./configure is run by rules, so it's too late |
| 13:57.12 | cosmo_ | azeem: qmake |
| 13:57.12 | clarjon1 | sighs |
| 13:57.24 | azeem | cosmo_: why would it be too late? |
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| 13:57.39 | cosmo_ | it checks the build-deps before running rules |
| 13:57.49 | abrotman | _pepo_: do you have another NIC you could put in the system to finish the installation? or a PCIID of the device? |
| 13:57.49 | azeem | what is "it"? |
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| 13:58.07 | cosmo_ | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:58.24 | azeem | ok, I still don't understand the problem |
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| 13:58.27 | azeem | except that qmake sucks |
| 13:58.48 | abrotman | cosmo_: start at the beginning .. why are you building the package? which architetcure? which version of debian? |
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| 13:59.13 | cosmo_ | the problem is that i'm building for maemo and desktop linux. on maemo i have different dependencies. |
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| 13:59.22 | azeem | why? |
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| 13:59.35 | cosmo_ | it has some extra libraries that are used |
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| 13:59.58 | cosmo_ | they are compiled in only if building in maemo environment |
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| 14:00.03 | azeem | you might need to generate two different source packages then |
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| 14:00.09 | abrotman | might this be easier in a chroot? |
| 14:00.11 | cosmo_ | that's what i'd like to avoid |
| 14:00.46 | azeem | cosmo_: avoiding that is a noble goal, but doing this by changing the Build-Depends on-the-fly is not the right solution |
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| 14:01.07 | cosmo_ | is there a solution? |
| 14:01.17 | azeem | maybe not with qmake |
| 14:01.30 | azeem | this will become a bigger issue with maemo6 I guess |
| 14:01.45 | JordiGH | I need to setup some VMs and I'm stubbornly refusing to install non-free VMware. I think xen is my only free choice, since it looks like my hardware can't handle kvm. What are the basic steps? Install a xenified Linux, create a virtual disk for xen, and then... ask CentOS how to run it as guest? |
| 14:02.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: what kind of speed do you need from the guests? |
| 14:02.42 | JordiGH | Not much. |
| 14:02.42 | cosmo_ | azeem: is there a solution if i'd use autotools? |
| 14:03.05 | cosmo_ | afaik also in autotools rules file is executed after checking build-deps |
| 14:03.07 | abrotman | JordiGH: qemu? virtualbox? |
| 14:03.10 | azeem | see above |
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| 14:03.38 | azeem | cosmo_: are those maemo libraries available on your desktop linux? |
| 14:03.47 | cosmo_ | azeem: no. |
| 14:03.48 | azeem | but just not welcome to be linked in? |
| 14:03.52 | azeem | cosmo_: so get that fixed |
| 14:03.57 | JordiGH | abrotman: Ah, there are others? Are they easier than xen? Xen looks a tad complicated. |
| 14:04.06 | JordiGH | On lenny, btw. |
| 14:04.09 | cosmo_ | they won't be, unfortunately |
| 14:04.14 | azeem | why not? |
| 14:04.33 | ranix | xen is pretty complex, but qemu is as simple as it gets |
| 14:04.40 | azeem | and slpw |
| 14:04.42 | azeem | slow* |
| 14:04.49 | JordiGH | Slow is fine. |
| 14:04.54 | cosmo_ | well, not for a long time. nokia modified open source and possibly some closed source stuff |
| 14:04.58 | JordiGH | As long as it's actually usable. |
| 14:05.00 | ranix | Xen has lots of forward-looking features and a lot of active development is being done |
| 14:05.15 | azeem | cosmo_: I suggest you ask Nokia/maemo about this |
| 14:05.18 | ranix | if you're going to do real work with it, Xen or Virtualbox seems to be the way to go |
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| 14:05.31 | ranix | VMWare has a place in the hearts of some people, but I don't like it |
| 14:05.40 | ranix | Qemu is easy and quick to set up |
| 14:05.53 | JordiGH | I feel horrible enough install Skype, no more non-free software here! |
| 14:05.56 | ranix | I don't know anything about kvm |
| 14:05.58 | cosmo_ | ok. so anyway answer to my question is that there is no solution currently. |
| 14:06.24 | ranix | !answer |
| 14:06.24 | dpkg | from memory, answer is when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect. |
| 14:06.30 | JordiGH | Not least of which because Skype sucks. Won't obey my Emacs keys, horrible interface, doesn't even seem to have tabs. |
| 14:06.48 | ranix | cosmo_: it may be that there is a solution but we just don't know it |
| 14:07.12 | azeem | cosmo_: the obvious solution is different source pakcages |
| 14:07.15 | azeem | packages* |
| 14:07.25 | cosmo_ | maybe i should check sources of some larger sw that's been ported to maemo such as xchat or pidgin |
| 14:07.42 | azeem | I bet they modified the source package as well |
| 14:07.45 | JordiGH | Anyways, try Virtualbox or qemu, eh? They're both packaged? I'll try virtualbox first... |
| 14:07.51 | azeem | but of course, libhildon exists |
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| 14:08.07 | jbaptiste_j | Greetings, I need to put my php safe_mode OFF, I was able to put it to OFF Globally, but not Locally, is this the place to ask ? |
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| 14:08.14 | jbaptiste_j | (I have lenny) |
| 14:08.49 | ranix | I have a project that's cross-platform myself, and the source is pretty extensively segregated for windows vs linux vs mac, cosmo_ |
| 14:08.54 | _pepo_ | ok i found the cds with the driver (bnx2) so I choose "no ethernet" and I hope that later I can install these module |
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| 14:09.05 | ranix | ifdefs here and there, specific functions, completely different libraries in some cases |
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| 14:09.21 | ranix | I wound up completely foregoing autotools |
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| 14:09.37 | cosmo_ | ranix: in Qt world that's not necessary, unless some libraries are only available to some platform such as in my case |
| 14:10.11 | cosmo_ | you can build for all 3 platforms using the same source if using pure Qt |
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| 14:11.08 | JordiGH | All 3, eh? BSD, Solaris, and GNU? |
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| 14:11.29 | ranix | JordiGH: he was talking about windows, mac, linux, the 3 that I spoke of. |
| 14:11.44 | ranix | JordiGH: he himself is working on linux/maemo |
| 14:11.54 | ericP | i just dd'd an ext3 from a squeaky drive to a new one. i chrooted to install grub, but the new mounts / ro when it boots |
| 14:11.56 | cosmo_ | JordiGH: well, one of them includes all major unices excluding mac |
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| 14:12.18 | JordiGH | What, Mac isn't a Unix? |
| 14:12.23 | JordiGH | I've been lied to! |
| 14:12.24 | ericP | i expect i have the wrong UUIDs in fstab, but don't know where to find the new ones |
| 14:12.38 | ranix | it might as well not be if you're doing gui |
| 14:12.39 | JordiGH | Anyways. |
| 14:12.42 | ranix | fing quartz |
| 14:12.47 | fabio71 | ciao !list |
| 14:12.52 | cosmo_ | JordiGH: ok let's define the one platform as X window system based unices :-) |
| 14:13.04 | cosmo_ | maybe that excludes mac well enough |
| 14:13.20 | a-s | sorry, I was out. |
| 14:13.37 | a-s | mhymn: yes, file.sitx |
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| 14:14.03 | rojak | can u pls advise me on how to enable my webserver (https based) accessible by external users, the issue is that their browser don't show the https page, as my webserver don't hv registered cert, which i hv no idea how. Many thanks in advance. |
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| 14:14.19 | mhymn | a-s: file is a command |
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| 14:15.53 | mhymn | a-s: http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/sitx |
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| 14:16.31 | a-s | ah |
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| 14:17.11 | a-s | file m.avi.part03.sitx |
| 14:17.11 | a-s | m.avi.part03.sitx: data |
| 14:17.11 | a-s | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:18.18 | ypnos | how to install nvidia driver 190.42 in debian, as debian nvidia-source packages for this are all outdated, there exist prebuilt packages, but for ubuntu only |
| 14:18.31 | ypnos | should I use the nvidia installer or are there better methods |
| 14:18.41 | ypnos | also, would using the installer break debian? |
| 14:19.06 | JordiGH | !nvidia |
| 14:19.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 14:19.07 | JordiGH | perhaps |
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| 14:20.42 | ypnos | k thx |
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| 14:21.49 | the_spide | Hi plp, I am just migrating from a testing disto to a stable one like Debian, I am on testing stage, I did installationg via internet, but I got 3 Pcs I'd like to install debian, the question is, How can I do to get the hole files for i386 and ia64 architecture and avoid using internet? |
| 14:22.13 | liable | you have an itanium box? |
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| 14:22.21 | boomernang | !flash |
| 14:22.21 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:22.30 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 14:22.30 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 14:26.52 | boomernang | Hi, if I have an external USB card that has no elements for alsamixer, and can only be controlled via the unit it self.. Could this be a cause for no sound in flash because I can't set it to be the default card with asoundconf? My onboard realtek is index0 and my usb is index1 (/proc/asound/cards). Mp3/kde sounds work fine on the USB. Any ideas? |
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| 14:29.45 | alcohol | ok, so I wrote this firewall init.d script |
| 14:29.47 | alcohol | http://pastie.org/676762 |
| 14:29.52 | boomernang | I also should mention that flash sound works fine on my onboard soundcard. So it's not a codec problem. |
| 14:29.55 | alcohol | now how do I add it properly to the rc levels? |
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| 14:30.31 | liable | a2: /msg dpkg rclocal |
| 14:30.41 | liable | uh alcohol ^^ |
| 14:30.42 | alcohol | will do |
| 14:31.25 | alcohol | ah |
| 14:31.26 | alcohol | "update-rc.d myscript defaults" |
| 14:31.36 | liable | yep |
| 14:32.16 | alcohol | I have my default start at 2 3 4 5, though it only has to be run once honestly. but if I remember correctly, debian pretty much considers 2 3 4 5 as one level? so my script will be run only once on start? |
| 14:32.34 | liable | yes, 2 is default |
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| 14:32.45 | alcohol | should I remove 3 4 5 ? |
| 14:32.55 | jelly | alcohol: by default debian goes to runlevel 2; 3, 4 and 5 are ignored |
| 14:33.03 | hark | boomernang: why can't it be set as the default card? |
| 14:33.07 | alcohol | ah ok |
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| 14:33.15 | liable | if you want, if its iptales, it wouldnt matter if its run more than once anyway |
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| 14:33.36 | liable | but it wouldnt be anyway.. |
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| 14:34.19 | alcohol | true |
| 14:34.21 | alcohol | thanks :) |
| 14:34.32 | alcohol | added perfectly |
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| 14:41.21 | CodeNinja | pokes the devs of #debian | please please please stop being slow on releasing updates for other packages!! :( |
| 14:42.02 | boomernang | hark, how can I do that with no asoundconf? using unstable |
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| 14:43.31 | petemc | CodeNinja: you dont think the poeple volunteering their time are working hard enough? |
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| 14:44.29 | datag | anyone having a problem with phonon (kde4) on testing, too? i says it doesn't work with my soundcard - but on the very first boot/login it worked. i can reproduce it every time |
| 14:45.18 | CodeNinja | petemc: I never said that, but I keep running into instances where the latest version of something is required for me to do what I want/need to do |
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| 14:45.51 | petemc | CodeNinja: which version of debian are you using? |
| 14:46.14 | CodeNinja | lenny |
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| 14:46.28 | CodeNinja | apache2 is beyond 2.2.9, which is almost 6 months old |
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| 14:46.39 | petemc | CodeNinja: lenny doesnt get new software, so no one is being slow, you just misunderstand how debian stable works |
| 14:46.50 | CodeNinja | .... |
| 14:46.57 | petemc | whats the elipsis for? |
| 14:46.59 | CodeNinja | explain? O.o |
| 14:47.07 | petemc | # |
| 14:47.11 | petemc | !tell CodeNinja about stable |
| 14:47.12 | CodeNinja | ? |
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| 14:47.43 | hark | !tell CodeNinja about meaning of stable |
| 14:48.13 | hark | boomernang: ok, that's different. the alsa wiki has instructions for handling such cases |
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| 14:49.04 | CodeNinja | ok, well that makes sense.... I know sid is like a no-no (I'd rather not, just leave it at that), how else can I get this package? |
| 14:49.15 | petemc | look for a backport |
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| 14:49.49 | Titan8990 | does anyone know where I can find documentation for netinstallation using intel 3945? The wiki only seems to cover driver installation on an existing system. The installer asks for the proprietary firmware but is not clear on how it should be loaded |
| 14:49.56 | hark | boomernang: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ026 and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards |
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| 14:51.57 | Titan8990 | hates when there isn't a manual to rftm |
| 14:52.26 | petemc | the installation manual doesnt cover this? |
| 14:52.31 | hark | !installer firmware |
| 14:52.31 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html , http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html and http://people.debian.org/~dannf/add-firmware-to/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 14:52.40 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:52.48 | hellyeah | i have a basic question |
| 14:53.05 | hellyeah | let say i configure source and i take some program called chromium |
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| 14:53.15 | hellyeah | how can i add this program to menu |
| 14:53.53 | hellyeah | with alacarte |
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| 14:55.45 | hark | hellyeah: why can't you add it? |
| 14:55.55 | Cain | How to disable a user account without removing it or changing his password ? |
| 14:56.06 | petemc | passwd -l |
| 14:56.32 | petemc | oh, that changes the password |
| 14:56.53 | Titan8990 | petemc, excellent, thanks |
| 14:57.21 | petemc | i think hark deseves the credit, but np! |
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| 14:57.49 | Cain | petemc : yes i just found that passwd -u unlock the account again with the same old passwd ^^ thx :) |
| 14:57.49 | Titan8990 | petemc, ah, missed that |
| 14:57.52 | Titan8990 | hark, thanks |
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| 14:58.12 | petemc | Cain: np |
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| 15:01.11 | yaaar | anybody round here know much about geolocation and ips? |
| 15:01.13 | yaaar | we just got a block from ARIN, but a lot of websites seem to think we're in Canada or South Africa |
| 15:01.13 | d0uglas | Hi. Any way to get two terminal sessions merged into one screen, split half and half horizontally with one on top the other below, switching between the two as you'd switch between regular screens using screen? |
| 15:01.31 | yaaar | some other websites have us placed properly.... |
| 15:01.47 | petemc | d0uglas: why not use screen? |
| 15:02.06 | d0uglas | just wanted to check, made it halfway through the man page and didn't find it.. okay i'll keep reading |
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| 15:02.46 | d0uglas | .. but you mean screen does what i describe, right? you're not asking me why don't I just settle for being able to bounce from one screen to the other using screen? |
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| 15:04.03 | prince_jammys | d0uglas: yes |
| 15:04.13 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 15:04.17 | prince_jammys | ctrl-A S splits. ctrl-A tab to go from one to the other. |
| 15:04.36 | d0uglas | beautiful. I appreciate it |
| 15:04.49 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.04 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.09 | prince_jammys | ctrl A : for a command prompt and ''resize 36'', for example, to resize. |
| 15:05.26 | prince_jammys | :resize60 |
| 15:05.29 | prince_jammys | oops. |
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| 15:09.03 | zophy | did that chick win those cars on The Price is Right ? |
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| 15:09.18 | zophy | i just gotta know |
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| 15:10.09 | d0uglas | well when I've got two screens going and do ctrl+a, s it locks up on me |
| 15:10.22 | prince_jammys | capital S |
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| 15:10.28 | d0uglas | ah |
| 15:10.51 | d0uglas | NICE |
| 15:10.53 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 15:11.34 | prince_jammys | when that happens, which it will if you're a miserable typist like me, then ctrl Q |
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| 15:11.49 | ix | I want to install Lenny i386 onto an USB pen drive -- Could I do that with the regular installer, or do I /have/ to use the live thingie? |
| 15:11.50 | boomernang | hark, the alsa in unstable has no ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf |
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| 15:13.19 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guys |
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| 15:14.04 | WhiteCrow1 | why open file deb wit archive manger ? sorry i cant speak EN very will but understand a little |
| 15:14.30 | MrTorque | i do not have an authz_svn_module in apache/mods-available. is that normal? how do i install? |
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| 15:15.03 | prince_jammys | d0uglas: or rather ctrl-a q (ctrl-a ? to remind you, see 'xon' and 'xoff') |
| 15:15.05 | Tohuw | Why is /dev/tcp disabled by default in debian? |
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| 15:16.01 | prince_jammys | ''this feature need not be a implemented by a shell'' or such is what i read somewhere |
| 15:16.14 | hark | boomernang: doesn't matter, you can create it or use another method |
| 15:16.16 | WhiteCrow1 | guys plz help me to understand |
| 15:16.45 | hark | ix: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:16.58 | WhiteCrow1 | why open deb file wit archive maneger |
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| 15:17.38 | ix | hark: thanks :) |
| 15:17.43 | hark | prince_jammys: security related iirc, moment |
| 15:18.11 | ix | hark: albeit the wrong subject |
| 15:18.17 | boomernang | hark, in the meantime - i disabled my realtek onboard card in bios and reinstalled unstable. So now the only card plugged in is my USB. However /proc/asound/cards only shows my usb card, but it is at index1 not index0. Weird. Maybe default card isn't the issue? |
| 15:18.29 | ix | hark: I want to install debian /onto/ a USB drive, not /from/ one. |
| 15:18.31 | hark | ix: sorry :) |
| 15:18.51 | WhiteCrow1 | hark: can u help me |
| 15:19.02 | hark | you can use a regular installer |
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| 15:19.48 | HazardX | is there a version of virtualbox-ose in the repository that dosen't depend on X? |
| 15:20.34 | hark | HazardX: it doesn't depend on X, at least as i see on squeeze/sid |
| 15:20.51 | HazardX | hmmmm |
| 15:21.05 | HazardX | maybe I'm just insane (wouldn't be the first tie) |
| 15:21.17 | hark | there's a separate virtualbox-ose-qt package that does |
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| 15:22.39 | HazardX | its pulling in mesa, sdl, xcursor and some other Xey stuff |
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| 15:23.15 | digijohn | uff, screwed by an upgrade |
| 15:23.16 | hark | WhiteCrow1: you can open it, they are just ar archives |
| 15:23.36 | docmax | hello, i updated from 9.04 to 9.10. now compiz is not working, what can i do? |
| 15:23.36 | hark | HazardX: wait, let me check in lenny |
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| 15:23.49 | hark | docmax: #ubuntu |
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| 15:23.57 | docmax | ups |
| 15:24.00 | docmax | right |
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| 15:24.05 | HazardX | hark: I'm on lenny (lookn' at the requirements) its pulling in qt3 which then seems to pull in a huge hunk of x |
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| 15:27.00 | mhymn | yes it does. |
| 15:27.51 | digijohn | Hi, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers on squeeze as detailed in /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 15:27.51 | digijohn | however, the module compilation fails |
| 15:27.51 | digijohn | step m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:27.52 | HazardX | :( I dunno I have the space for that |
| 15:27.52 | hark | HazardX: yeah, only 3.0 does |
| 15:27.52 | valdyn | digijohn: what is the error? what is your kernel? |
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| 15:27.52 | justin | digijohn: use m-a -t a-i nvidia and pastebin the log |
| 15:27.54 | MrTorque | can i limit the access for a user to only view pdf-files in a svn-repo? |
| 15:27.55 | hark | digijohn: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:27.57 | HazardX | hark: 3.0 of what? |
| 15:28.08 | hark | HazardX: virtualbox |
| 15:28.19 | HazardX | in unstable I suppose? |
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| 15:28.37 | digijohn | Oh snap, I may have spoken too soon |
| 15:28.46 | digijohn | the error was that there was an old partial build of nvidia |
| 15:28.50 | digijohn | m-a clean nvidia fixed it |
| 15:29.01 | hark | HazardX: http://packages.debian.org/sid/virtualbox-ose |
| 15:29.07 | digijohn | (when I tried to build using nvidia source from squeeze, I got a different error) |
| 15:29.10 | macrobat | i cant start awesome anymore: /home/idithoth/.config/awesome/awful/layout/init.lua:85: attempt to index field 'arrange' (a nil value) |
| 15:29.46 | digijohn | ok, guess it's time to try it again |
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| 15:29.54 | hark | macrobat: tried xmonad? |
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| 15:30.04 | HazardX | ahhh, so sid has them split, GUI dependencies in one package, and the core in another |
| 15:30.14 | HazardX | hmmm |
| 15:30.17 | docmax | i updated to 9.10... why do i still have grub1? |
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| 15:30.43 | macrobat | awesome 3.4-1 |
| 15:30.57 | macrobat | docmax: you are in the wrong channel |
| 15:31.13 | docmax | ups |
| 15:31.30 | macrobat | now, close this tab or install debian :) |
| 15:31.41 | mhymn | docmax: you've been once told to ask #ubuntu, and that's your second 'ups' |
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| 15:32.42 | macrobat | hark: im too stupid for haskell |
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| 15:33.27 | mhymn | macrobat: you tried #awesome perhaps? |
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| 15:38.10 | hark | macrobat: you don't need to know haskell, but it does take a bit of effort or looking at other examples in the beginning at least... depends on how much you want to customize it |
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| 15:40.31 | PovAddict | I want to move a user account to a new system |
| 15:40.39 | PovAddict | from kubuntu to my new debian install |
| 15:41.02 | PovAddict | but the (hashed) password in /etc/shadow seems to be in a different format |
| 15:41.53 | macrobat | better to make a user account and then move files |
| 15:43.07 | PovAddict | my password on debian is stored as $6$xxxxxxxx$(85 chars): |
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| 15:43.35 | PovAddict | on the old kubuntu it's stored as $1$xxxxxxxx$(22 chars): |
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| 15:45.00 | PovAddict | if I create a new user account, without moving the /etc/shadow line manually, can I make the user have to change his password on first login, in a way that works with graphical desktop environments? (not just a tty /bin/login) |
| 15:45.44 | boomernang | hark, you are a beautiful being. At the bottom of one of those links I found the answer :D I had to change defaults for pcm.card and ctl.card in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf. |
| 15:45.56 | valdyn | geez |
| 15:46.05 | valdyn | boomernang: editing files in /usr/share/ is fucked up |
| 15:46.26 | boomernang | valdyn, there was no other way I could do it! |
| 15:46.32 | valdyn | boomernang: theres 2+ other ways |
| 15:46.33 | PovAddict | configuration goes in /etc |
| 15:46.36 | adamos | PovAddict: I dont know if its gonna work in a gui but try chage -d 0 useracc |
| 15:46.48 | valdyn | boomernang: ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf |
| 15:46.50 | hark | boomernang: either go for the index option or the asoundrc |
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| 15:47.19 | c4y0 | hi |
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| 15:47.36 | boomernang | valdyn, I had to create both ~/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf.. the code from alsa wiki didnt work. |
| 15:47.52 | valdyn | boomernang: so? |
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| 15:49.16 | vchrizz | what alternatives for 'cut' do i have? cat /proc/net/dev | grep eth0 | cut -d ' ' -f 34 # works but i would like not to split by a single space in this case |
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| 15:49.33 | rvsjoen | vchrizz: awk |
| 15:49.41 | adamos | dont cat and grep |
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| 15:49.54 | adamos | grep eth0 /proc/net/dev |
| 15:49.56 | valdyn | !uuoc |
| 15:49.56 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 15:50.22 | vchrizz | ah :) |
| 15:50.40 | PovAddict | "Works for grep and most other Unix utilities." |
| 15:50.47 | PovAddict | for those that can't, there's always redirected stdin |
| 15:50.56 | et | i was just about to say that |
| 15:51.03 | rvsjoen | vchrizz: awk -F 'separator string' '{print $34}' |
| 15:51.07 | et | <filename grep |
| 15:51.07 | PovAddict | cat file | foo | bar => foo < file | bar |
| 15:51.32 | PovAddict | et: <file foo | bar works too? |
| 15:51.42 | et | yes. |
| 15:51.49 | PovAddict | amazing.. |
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| 15:52.08 | vchrizz | rvsjoen, well i dont know why but it was for me always the 36th field.. dont know why (maybe because of reboot yesterday) its the 34th field.. |
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| 15:52.30 | PovAddict | sometimes i use cat in ways that would get me an UUOC because it makes the order clearer |
| 15:52.43 | PovAddict | but if I can use stdin redirection before the command... |
| 15:52.49 | rvsjoen | vchrizz: I have no idea what you are cutting for :) |
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| 15:52.55 | vchrizz | for transmitbytes |
| 15:52.57 | valdyn | vchrizz: grep eth0 /proc/net/dev | awk '{print $4}' |
| 15:53.02 | et | >a.txt echo hello world; <a.txt> b.txt; cat b.txt |
| 15:53.02 | et | hello world |
| 15:53.19 | valdyn | vchrizz: i didnt actually count the elements so fix that yourself |
| 15:53.24 | et | (that doesn't work in all shells though ;) (the second part)) |
| 15:53.34 | PovAddict | I use bash |
| 15:54.00 | et | i don't know what bash does in the redirection-without-command-case |
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| 15:54.18 | PovAddict | and, sometimes, another shell that doesn't remotely support posix anyway (doesn't even have eg. a compatible &&) |
| 15:54.19 | vchrizz | valdyn, well thats the case, i dont want to count them too.. just split by space, regardless how many there are.. if there is one space or more than one |
| 15:54.36 | valdyn | vchrizz: you dont have to count spaces |
| 15:55.00 | vchrizz | ah |
| 15:55.03 | vchrizz | ok :) |
| 15:55.07 | valdyn | vchrizz: single or double space is the same for awk |
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| 15:55.14 | valdyn | vchrizz: but you have another problem |
| 15:55.29 | valdyn | vchrizz: that problem is that theres not always a space |
| 15:55.48 | valdyn | vchrizz: "lo: 8091200 85694" or "net0:59209193 195771" |
| 15:55.56 | vchrizz | for transmitbytes it is (for me) |
| 15:55.56 | valdyn | vchrizz: see, no space after net0: |
| 15:56.00 | vchrizz | for received its not, right |
| 15:56.19 | PovAddict | that file doens't sound easy to parse |
| 15:56.24 | valdyn | vchrizz: so you need to tell awk that : is a seperator too |
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| 15:57.02 | vchrizz | well i just need to count sent data, so im ok with that |
| 15:57.11 | valdyn | vchrizz: consider using /sys though |
| 15:57.22 | adamos | get your TX data from ifconfig |
| 15:57.26 | valdyn | vchrizz: then you dont have to parse at all |
| 15:57.28 | adamos | if you want to count data |
| 15:57.40 | adamos | RX = received TX = sent |
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| 15:57.57 | boomernang | valdyn, hark - maybe you can tell me what I did wrong before? http://paste.debian.net/50350/ |
| 15:58.02 | valdyn | vchrizz: check out "/sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/tx_bytes" |
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| 15:58.17 | vchrizz | hey great |
| 15:58.19 | valdyn | vchrizz: /proc is obsolete anyway |
| 15:58.33 | boomernang | valdyn, notice how only card in system shows up as card1, and not card0. |
| 15:59.18 | adamos | vchrizz: look at that: ifconfig eth0 | grep TX |
| 15:59.45 | vchrizz | adamos, ya i know ifconfig :) |
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| 16:00.04 | vchrizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.08 | vchrizz | didnt know that |
| 16:00.17 | PovAddict | where is it documented |
| 16:00.30 | PovAddict | I have a proc(5) manpage but no sys |
| 16:00.31 | vchrizz | theres everything in /sys/class/net/br0/statistics/ :) |
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| 16:01.07 | valdyn | PovAddict: try google |
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| 16:01.53 | xxtjaxx | Hi is there a way to set a default x11 windowmanager in a config file? |
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| 16:02.07 | valdyn | xxtjaxx: ~/.xsession |
| 16:02.11 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 16:02.12 | dpkg | xsession is, like, ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 16:02.42 | ballermann | Sharing: |
| 16:02.42 | ballermann | Sends: 0/ - Gets: 0/ |
| 16:02.54 | ballermann | Sharing: |
| 16:02.54 | ballermann | Sends: 0/ - Gets: 0/ |
| 16:03.05 | valdyn | boomernang: nothing wrong with that config as far as i can see |
| 16:03.07 | azeem | ballermann: turn that off, please |
| 16:03.14 | valdyn | boomernang: and nothing wrnog with the only card having index 1 |
| 16:04.16 | valdyn | PovAddict: and theres a sysfs manpage |
| 16:04.17 | boomernang | valdyn, yeah! :) it's a weird one, but the asound.conf has no effect |
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| 16:04.33 | valdyn | boomernang: why kind of effect is it supposed to have? |
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| 16:04.42 | valdyn | boomernang: you have only 1 card, its already the default |
| 16:04.51 | dob1_ | hi, someone use gnome-commander? how do you open directory in new tab? |
| 16:04.54 | valdyn | boomernang: makeing it again the default in asound.conf doesnt change a thing |
| 16:05.39 | boomernang | valdyn, so what does the alsa.conf "1" do that asound.conf doesn't do? |
| 16:05.51 | xxtjaxx | ah thanls |
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| 16:08.40 | cahoot | boomernang: no device corresponding to card0? |
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| 16:09.56 | boomernang | cahoot, correct |
| 16:10.39 | cahoot | boomernang: disconnected a usbcam or some other usb device with sound ability? |
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| 16:10.58 | boomernang | cahoot, nah this is fresh install |
| 16:11.56 | cahoot | boomernang: alsa force-reload makes no difference? |
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| 16:17.42 | Agiofws | when will i be able to register domains in my native language ? |
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| 16:17.54 | hark | boomernang: the asound.conf looks ok, not sure about device 0 though |
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| 16:19.34 | jumpkick | is there a place to set-up variables so they are available in the ENV during execution of /etc/init.d/ scripts? (does /etc/profile get called before executing these?) |
| 16:19.43 | sshc | can I remove a file that I installed with dkpg after I downloaded the package with aptitude? |
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| 16:20.40 | azeem | sshc: you mean a .deb? |
| 16:20.49 | jspiros | d-i used to let me choose which release to install when in "expert" mode |
| 16:20.57 | jspiros | it no longer seems to? |
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| 16:21.37 | sshc | azeem, yes |
| 16:21.42 | boomernang | hark, cahoot, the problem is this thanks to #alsa - snd-usb-audio gets automatically set to index=-2 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. Which means that even if it is the only card in your system, (and its USB). it will be card1 and not card0. the /etc/asound.conf i had does nothing. However change the index=-2 in alsa-base.conf to -1 corrects the issue without touching /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 16:21.44 | fatalerrors | i'm looking for a command line to erase all the files with the given name in a directory and its children |
| 16:21.49 | azeem | sshc: yes, you can remove those |
| 16:21.58 | fatalerrors | someone knows it? |
| 16:22.03 | azeem | fatalerrors: what are "its children"? |
| 16:22.10 | azeem | subdirectories? |
| 16:22.17 | fatalerrors | azeem: yes |
| 16:22.27 | azeem | then find . -name "foo" | xargs rm or so |
| 16:22.30 | cahoot | boomernang: why not give it index 0 if you want it as default? |
| 16:22.31 | Trewas | Agiofws: some TLDs already support non-7bit ascii characters in domain names |
| 16:22.47 | Agiofws | Technology: ICANN Approves Non-Latin ccTLDs |
| 16:22.49 | azeem | if "a directory" is the current directory |
| 16:22.49 | fatalerrors | azeem: thanks |
| 16:22.50 | Agiofws | in greek ? |
| 16:23.13 | fatalerrors | azeem: this is what i was looking for |
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| 16:24.17 | Trewas | Agiofws: according to wikipedia .gr TLD already allows greek characters |
| 16:24.39 | Agiofws | you mean i can register greek domains ? |
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| 16:25.46 | Trewas | Agiofws: I don't know what kind of rules they have in general when registering domain names, but apparently greek characters in them are fine |
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| 16:27.58 | Mereep | Hi.... I installed debian on external USB Drive while unplugging internal drive (was scared about doin sth wrong) and it did install and boot. But after reconnecting internal drive debian wont boot anymore. Anyone who can helo? |
| 16:28.45 | jhutchins_lt | Mereep: My first guess would be that the internal drive has priority in the BIOS boot order. |
| 16:29.14 | jhutchins_lt | Mereep: A lot of systems have a boot menu available (F12 for instance). |
| 16:29.22 | Mereep | maybe i have to add, that it stops after there comes a message that says that it unpacked linux |
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| 16:29.39 | Mereep | and then it cant mount some directorys |
| 16:29.46 | fatalerrors | is there a way to tell aptitude a package is installed (from source) to allow the installation of software needing it without breacking dependencies? |
| 16:29.53 | Mereep | USB drive is second after DVD |
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| 16:30.02 | Mereep | didnt change bootorder |
| 16:30.10 | iluminator101 | hi i am able to connect to my school network using peap and get an ip but not still not be able to go online why |
| 16:30.11 | jspiros | Is there any way to get the Lenny netinst CD to ask me which release (lenny, squeeze, sid) I would like to install? |
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| 16:30.53 | jspiros | Ohh, I have to use the businesscard CD |
| 16:30.57 | jspiros | Nevermind :) |
| 16:31.03 | iluminator101 | do i need to enable certificates or something? |
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| 16:31.33 | fatalerrors | any aptitude or qt guru here? |
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| 16:33.17 | ktebit | I tried ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.7 and I can ping my router 192.168.1.1 and my eth0 what is the next step in debian ? |
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| 16:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Hard for us to know what your network requires. Are you able to reach IP's on the network and just not able to connect to hostnames or what? |
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| 16:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | Mereep: I guess what I'd probably do is go back and re-test the USB drive with the HD disconnected, or on another computer. |
| 16:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | ktebit: Ping an address outside the router. |
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| 16:38.56 | docmax | how do i install ubuntu server edition on eeepc 900 ? |
| 16:39.10 | liable | docmax: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:39.21 | liable | wtf are you asking here? |
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| 16:39.45 | fatalerrors | is there a way to tell aptitude a package is installed (for me it's qt 4.6 from source) to allow the installation of software needing it without breacking dependencies? |
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| 16:41.21 | fatalerrors | actually i did remove qt using force-all param of dpkg wich a bit anoying in the time |
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| 16:41.41 | fatalerrors | but i need qt 4.6 as kde developper |
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| 16:42.38 | liable | hmm |
| 16:42.48 | liable | !equivs |
| 16:42.48 | dpkg | i guess equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 16:43.33 | fatalerrors | dpkg: thanks i'll look for this |
| 16:43.34 | dpkg | fatalerrors: my pleasure |
| 16:43.42 | liable | lol |
| 16:43.47 | clarjon1 | hehe |
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| 16:47.10 | Debian-user | What's the command for release upgrade ? |
| 16:47.17 | Debian-user | From 9.04 to 9.10 |
| 16:47.26 | valdyn | Debian-user: #ubuntu |
| 16:47.34 | liable | uh, wrong channel, off to #ubuntu with you |
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| 16:47.50 | liable | why the fuck does his still happen? |
| 16:47.58 | liable | s/his/this/ |
| 16:48.00 | azeem | keep cool |
| 16:48.20 | liable | i am, but i just dont understand it.. |
| 16:48.40 | mhymn | 9.10 just release |
| 16:48.49 | azeem | as a good debian user, Debian-user wanted to inform us that 9.10 just got released |
| 16:48.52 | azeem | or something |
| 16:48.55 | azeem | now let's move on |
| 16:49.35 | liable | oh, clever troll you think? |
| 16:49.48 | liable | and dumb liable |
| 16:51.43 | Debian-user | keep cool |
| 16:51.48 | Debian-user | liable: ^ |
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| 16:57.05 | Debian-user | What's the command to mount ntfs drive? |
| 16:57.11 | PovAddict | mount |
| 16:57.23 | cipherz | Debian-user: look into ntfs-3g |
| 16:57.30 | Debian-user | ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/drive , is it correct ? |
| 16:57.49 | Debian-user | PovAddict: mount will not work , i think |
| 16:58.04 | PovAddict | i used it yesterday |
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| 16:59.33 | PovAddict | there are hundreds of packages in the 'fonts' category; what font do you suggest for chinese and japanese? |
| 16:59.54 | PovAddict | I can't read either, but I don't like seeing squares in webpages |
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| 17:00.19 | PovAddict | why does a2 keep doing that? |
| 17:00.26 | Debian-user | PovAddict: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/drive , is it correct ? |
| 17:00.40 | cahoot | try |
| 17:00.47 | Debian-user | PovAddict: Need read-write ,exec option |
| 17:01.03 | PovAddict | Debian-user: I never remember the argument order :P |
| 17:01.06 | liable | Debian-user: how about you read the docs for it? |
| 17:01.25 | cahoot | rw presumes ntfs-3g AFAIK |
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| 17:01.46 | Debian-user | cahoot: I also think so. |
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| 17:02.11 | PovAddict | thinks mounting ro speeds up reading; possible? |
| 17:02.13 | Debian-user | very cool liable |
| 17:02.34 | liable | i'm trying my hardest.. |
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| 17:08.24 | Mereep | kay found error |
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| 17:10.00 | mesaGL | PovAddict: mounting read-only does make reads somewhat faster, yes. but the "noatime" mount option can help too |
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| 17:10.26 | penguin_ | The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or ? |
| 17:10.26 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.26 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.44 | penguin_ | But there is nothing on the command line |
| 17:10.44 | PovAddict | I once had to use noatime *and* nodiratime to delete a giant directory faster |
| 17:10.44 | Mereep | can any1 say me why when i going to view something at youtube its freaking slow the sound sounds horrible and the browser nearly hangs up? |
| 17:11.03 | PovAddict | because you're using youtube and Flash |
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| 17:11.17 | penguin_ | Should I verify it is correct if it is blank? |
| 17:11.26 | liable | Mereep: restart the browser. flash fucks up iceweasel often for me (usually having to kill -9 it) |
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| 17:11.59 | penguin_ | Also there is no choice but to edit it and hit OK |
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| 17:12.35 | clarjon1 | lol |
| 17:12.41 | clarjon1 | he was connected thru the browser XD |
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| 17:13.52 | PovAddict | penguin_: click ok and move on |
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| 17:14.58 | clarjon1 | hlo moose |
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| 17:17.45 | rgr | PovAddict: you forgot to add "on Debian" and it doesnt work on many debian setups for some reason. I have the same on my thinkpad. Used to work fine. Now no amount of tweaking can get it back to working smoothly. The video stutters at about 0.3 fps. |
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| 17:18.06 | PovAddict | Works For Me |
| 17:18.21 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with debian .. flash works mostly fine for me .. it's certain ads that do it on certain sites |
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| 17:18.37 | skycapt | Hi all, does anyone know of a proxy server i can use other than squid ? |
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| 17:18.38 | PovAddict | and, unlike on Ubuntu 8.04 (yes I had that old a version before), it didn't take me forever to setup Flash 10 |
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| 17:19.27 | PovAddict | because the flashplayer-nonfree package was already flash 10 |
| 17:19.27 | jhutchins_lt | I have an LTSP station running off of a Debian server and it plays flash just fine. |
| 17:19.28 | cahoot | use mplayer-plugin for flash? |
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| 17:23.46 | penguin_ | Do I have to worry about the grub update if I dual boot with Vista? |
| 17:23.55 | magyar_ | how do i find out which app is listening on 8080? |
| 17:24.02 | PovAddict | I'd worry about dual booting with vista |
| 17:24.12 | PovAddict | magyar_: sudo netstat -ntlp | grep 8080 |
| 17:24.19 | abrotman | magyar_: fuser -n tcp 8080 |
| 17:24.21 | PovAddict | magyar_: ntlp means: numeric, tcp, listening, show program |
| 17:24.26 | PovAddict | or that |
| 17:24.26 | penguin_ | I have it runing fine now |
| 17:24.28 | abrotman | penguin_: what grub update ? |
| 17:24.43 | penguin_ | The update to grub 2 |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | why would you? aren't you using grub to boot vista now? |
| 17:25.25 | penguin_ | I am, but it was big headache to set up |
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| 17:25.48 | abrotman | why? ISTR it was easy |
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| 17:28.24 | magyar_ | PovAddict, abrotman thanks guys |
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| 17:31.49 | penguin_ | why? ISTR it was easy What is ISTR? |
| 17:32.24 | PovAddict | maybe "I seem to recall" |
| 17:32.31 | hark | i'm stupid though really |
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| 17:32.47 | hark | !istr |
| 17:32.47 | dpkg | i heard istr is I seem to recall/remember |
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| 17:38.55 | vsayikiran | unable to send files in pidgin........i need help |
| 17:39.25 | PovAddict | what protocol? |
| 17:39.46 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: i am using gmail |
| 17:39.53 | PovAddict | so jabber? |
| 17:39.59 | penguin_ | I ended up having to manually switch the cables to the hard drives to get Debian to boot with Vista |
| 17:40.01 | PovAddict | on Google Talk server? |
| 17:40.18 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: XMPP |
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| 17:40.31 | PovAddict | tight |
| 17:40.33 | PovAddict | right* |
| 17:40.39 | PovAddict | not sure if that ever worked for me either |
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| 17:40.53 | PovAddict | are you sending to someone who uses the official Google Talk client? |
| 17:41.01 | penguin_ | I think the problem was that I installed Debian before Vista, and Vista insisted on nuking Debian MBR on install |
| 17:41.06 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: does XMPP protocol support ftp |
| 17:41.16 | PovAddict | of course not |
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| 17:41.27 | PovAddict | I know of no chat protocol that supports *ftp* |
| 17:41.36 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: then how does it send files |
| 17:41.53 | skycapt | Is there anyone here who knows how to pin point a attachment problem with squid ? |
| 17:42.19 | PovAddict | vsayikiran: here's the protocol spec if you care: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0096.html |
| 17:42.21 | PovAddict | but I don't think you do |
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| 17:43.28 | PovAddict | the problem may be that there are several ways to send files on XMPP and maybe Google Talk servers only support one of them, and pidgin is using another |
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| 17:45.49 | nsadmin | vsayikiran: there are so many different protocols for transfering files, ftp is just one of thoes |
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| 17:46.09 | tote | i was installing a couple of new harddrives and unplugged the boot harddrive, and plugged it back in another sata port (atleast i think i did that), and now debian wont boot, how can i solve it? |
| 17:46.45 | vsayikiran | nsadmin: so xmpp has its own way of sending files...........y am i not able to send file to my friend in pidgin |
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| 17:47.36 | PovAddict | all chat protocols have their own way of sending files really |
| 17:47.41 | PovAddict | vsayikiran: what client does your friend use? |
| 17:47.43 | quitte | tote: set the correct root= kernel parameter |
| 17:47.53 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: pidgin |
| 17:48.18 | tote | quitte: how? using a live cd? |
| 17:48.35 | PovAddict | so you're both using pidgin but you can't send files to him? |
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| 17:48.49 | quitte | tote: look at the grub menu. you should be able to figure it out |
| 17:49.36 | vsayikiran | PovAddict: yes we both are using Pidgin and unable to send file......:-( |
| 17:50.12 | tote | quitte: it doesnt get to the boot menu :/ |
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| 17:50.21 | delx | Hey |
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| 17:50.42 | quitte | tote: in that case tell your bios to boot from the disk containing grub |
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| 17:50.54 | quitte | tote: or does it start grub, but not the menu? |
| 17:51.09 | delx | How long is etch going to be maintained? |
| 17:51.27 | quitte | delx: 1 quarter of 2010 iirc |
| 17:51.57 | PovAddict | anyone here have git installed? |
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| 17:52.25 | benedikt | anybody using compiz with nvidia? |
| 17:52.35 | PovAddict | I think I found a (debian-specific) bug in the package |
| 17:52.56 | tote | quitte: dont think it start grub, atleast i dont see grub |
| 17:53.33 | tote | quitte: last thing i see is: "Verifying DMI Pool Data .................." |
| 17:53.44 | quitte | tote: why don't you just plug the disk in where it works? |
| 17:54.22 | tote | quitte: i dont know which port it was :P |
| 17:54.40 | PovAddict | tote: during POST, your BIOS probably says "Press F12 to select boot device" or something like that |
| 17:54.57 | PovAddict | then it lets you choose floppy, CD-ROM, hard disk, network, etc. |
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| 17:55.07 | tote | PovAddict: it says something about ctrl+s |
| 17:55.15 | PovAddict | on my machine, if I select hard disk on that list, it asks me which one |
| 17:55.15 | penguin_ | Tests have determined that problems in the boot system exist which ? |
| 17:55.15 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.16 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.26 | penguin_ | What does that mean? |
| 17:55.30 | zinx | penguin_: did you read it? |
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| 17:55.48 | tote | PovAddict: yeah i tried that, tested all dics still wont work :/ |
| 17:55.49 | PovAddict | penguin_: man, I feel fortunate I installed Debian after they had already moved to dependency-based boot |
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| 17:55.59 | abrotman | it's nto that hard |
| 17:56.38 | penguin_ | So what do I do? |
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| 17:57.32 | PovAddict | does it tell you what the problems are? |
| 17:57.55 | penguin_ | no |
| 17:58.00 | quitte | tote: the fastest way for you to get it back in a working state probably is to randomly change where the cables are switched in. if you have only two disks swapping the cables should work |
| 17:58.22 | tote | quitte: i guess i have to resort to that, but i got 8 discs :P |
| 17:58.35 | quitte | does lenny use uuids to identify disks by default now? |
| 17:58.41 | quitte | tote: ugh |
| 17:59.00 | quitte | then wait at least until i got an answer |
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| 17:59.30 | quitte | tote: or look in the manual of your motherboard to find out which is the first sata port |
| 17:59.30 | tote | :) |
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| 18:00.43 | tote | quitte: could there be something else? like a one of the new discs are broken? or other hardware i installed are broken? |
| 18:00.52 | ruben23 | hi |
| 18:01.27 | PovAddict | tote: you blew it up! |
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| 18:01.42 | tote | oh noes :) |
| 18:01.49 | quitte | tote: i doubt it. but to be sure you could deattach all but the system disk |
| 18:02.21 | tote | hmm true, i could try that |
| 18:02.43 | tote | is there a shutdown command, like ctrl+alt+del is reboot during boot? |
| 18:03.16 | quitte | tote just switch it off when you see the boot menu |
| 18:03.28 | PovAddict | you have a power button |
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| 18:08.12 | tote | same problem with my two bootable discs only plugged in |
| 18:08.41 | abrotman | but are they plugged back in the same spots ? |
| 18:09.08 | tote | nah, dont know the right spot, but i can test them one by one :) |
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| 18:09.38 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:10.07 | teratoma | does debian support Tengwar? |
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| 18:11.46 | xxtjaxx | dury hi |
| 18:12.22 | xxtjaxx | teratoma: blatant question but what is tengwar |
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| 18:13.23 | dury | I'm trying to install google gadgets and I'm following to install these package (the ones in green colour) is it correct http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-compile-and-install-google.html |
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| 18:14.13 | xxtjaxx | dury I guess you have a kde setup? |
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| 18:14.34 | dury | xxtjaxx: gnome |
| 18:15.13 | xxtjaxx | uhmm ... |
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| 18:16.05 | dury | xxtjaxx: I've installed all of them except libxul-dev and xulrunner |
| 18:16.30 | xxtjaxx | dury I believe you should |
| 18:16.54 | xxtjaxx | google (web) xulrunner(_for_ web) |
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| 18:17.15 | dury | xxtjaxx: you mean even these ones too => libxul-dev and xulrunner |
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| 18:17.43 | PovAddict | dury: just try to compile it |
| 18:17.51 | PovAddict | dury: if you're missing something, the ./configure will let you know |
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| 18:19.29 | tote | ahh thanks guys, i found the right port and it boots now :) |
| 18:19.52 | dury | heeeeyyyy go by steps don't mixed up me, please.... I mean should I install xulrunner... if so... how? |
| 18:20.20 | dury | apt-get install xulrunner |
| 18:20.37 | PovAddict | uhh seriously... go and run configure |
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| 18:22.40 | dury | didn't download the source yet.... I'm trying to install first the dependencies or extra packages that I need |
| 18:22.59 | PovAddict | like I said, configure will tell you if you're missing anything |
| 18:23.29 | PovAddict | are you on gnome? |
| 18:23.38 | dury | yeah! |
| 18:23.48 | PovAddict | then that blog post you found is wrong |
| 18:23.54 | PovAddict | you don't need libqt4-dev |
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| 18:24.04 | PovAddict | that's if you want to build for kde |
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| 18:25.00 | PovAddict | as for libxul and xulrunner, for GTK (gnome) you need them, for Qt (KDE) you don't |
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| 18:25.01 | dury | gesssss |
| 18:25.33 | ^shark_ | anybody have a good tutorial on PPPoE configurations |
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| 18:26.26 | PovAddict | http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/HowToBuild <- doesn't explain debian but it lists packages for ubuntu |
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| 18:29.33 | superlinux | hi all |
| 18:29.51 | superlinux | get this when i am doing ./configure a source code : checking for pow... no. I want it to be as "..yes" |
| 18:29.58 | superlinux | how? |
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| 18:30.23 | justin | superlinux: install build-essential? |
| 18:30.40 | PovAddict | justin: I think it'd have failed quite a while before if he didn't have build-essential |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | superlinux: probably a libpow something or other |
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| 18:31.11 | PovAddict | pow() is a standard library function |
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| 18:32.46 | PovAddict | in libm |
| 18:32.51 | PovAddict | in libc6-dev package |
| 18:32.59 | dury | PovAddict: all success except a package ->couldn't find package xulrunner-1.9-dev |
| 18:33.28 | PovAddict | dury: try xulrunner-dev |
| 18:33.38 | superlinux | abrotman, those should be part of the cmath c++ headers |
| 18:33.47 | superlinux | ok |
| 18:33.55 | dury | PovAddict: right, hang on |
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| 18:34.51 | superlinux | PovAddict, I have it missing and the sqrt too |
| 18:35.17 | PovAddict | superlinux: do you have libc6-dev installed? |
| 18:35.23 | dury | PovAddict: success that one! :) |
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| 18:35.49 | superlinux | PovAddict, yes. but now I asked for a reinstall . maybe something missing |
| 18:36.13 | dury | PovAddict: and now what should I type |
| 18:36.29 | superlinux | PovAddict, I am very good with debian. you may deal with me easily. |
| 18:36.38 | PovAddict | superlinux: check config.log too (created by configure) to see exactly why that check is failing |
| 18:36.40 | careta | abrotman, could you please give me the prerm script for python-pexpect? |
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| 18:36.49 | superlinux | ok PovAddict |
| 18:37.02 | dury | ./configure |
| 18:37.08 | PovAddict | careta: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-pexpect.prerm |
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| 18:38.06 | dury | PovAddict: ./configure now |
| 18:38.36 | careta | PovAddict, that file exists, but its empty for me. so aptitude keeps complaining and doesn |
| 18:38.42 | careta | doesn't let me purge |
| 18:38.46 | frontrank | hello ppl, I'm using backports.undebian.org for the kernel in my debian lenny. I can't compile with m-a kvm-source. Where should I report it? |
| 18:38.57 | PovAddict | careta: try first reinstalling it? |
| 18:39.11 | frontrank | cant find a irc channel nor a mailling list= anybody knows? |
| 18:39.35 | careta | PovAddict, doesn't work |
| 18:39.51 | superlinux | PovAddict, http://pastebin.com/d708ec005 check it out. it's really weird. |
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| 18:40.33 | PovAddict | weird o.O |
| 18:40.41 | dury | PovAddict: did ./configure but it said: bash: ./configure: no such file or directory |
| 18:41.07 | PovAddict | dury: 'configure' is a script that comes with the package you want to compile |
| 18:41.23 | abrotman | careta: huh ? |
| 18:41.30 | abrotman | careta: what happened to yours ? |
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| 18:41.47 | careta | abrotman, the same thing that happened to kanjidic, remember a few hours earlier we spoke? |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | yep |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | moment |
| 18:42.16 | PovAddict | superlinux: is that compiler from debian packages? |
| 18:42.22 | superlinux | yes! |
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| 18:42.36 | PovAddict | where can I download the package you're trying to compile? |
| 18:42.37 | superlinux | from lenny |
| 18:42.45 | superlinux | just a moment |
| 18:42.52 | abrotman | careta: there doesn't seem to be one ? |
| 18:43.00 | dury | PovAddict: one of those http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/downloads/list |
| 18:43.07 | superlinux | PovAddict, https://software.sandia.gov/opt++/opt++_download.php |
| 18:44.27 | careta | dpkg: error processing python-pexpect (--configure): |
| 18:44.27 | careta | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.28 | dpkg | careta: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:44.39 | PovAddict | lol |
| 18:44.42 | careta | abrotman, may the postrm script? |
| 18:45.18 | PovAddict | superlinux: strange... it checks for floor, pow, and sqrt, then checks floor alone with -lm |
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| 18:45.58 | dury | PovAddict: which one should I download in your opinion? |
| 18:46.41 | valdyn | dury: why are you not using the google gadgets debian package? |
| 18:46.57 | PovAddict | superlinux: but it also doesn't seem to be doing anything with the check results |
| 18:47.13 | valdyn | judd: versions google-gadgets-gtk |
| 18:47.14 | judd | valdyn: google-gadgets-gtk -- squeeze: 0.10.5-0.2 sid: 0.10.5-0.3 |
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| 18:47.33 | PovAddict | superlinux: oh it is... well, you could try ./configure LDFLAGS=-lm |
| 18:47.44 | dury | valdyn: how is it? |
| 18:47.45 | neurodamage | where can I read in debian how to configure services to start on bootup? |
| 18:47.55 | valdyn | !services |
| 18:47.55 | dpkg | services is probably to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 18:48.13 | PovAddict | dury: apt-get install google-gadgets-gtk; and save yourself the self-compilation trouble |
| 18:48.40 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:48.42 | dury | ok |
| 18:48.47 | amoe | Hi. I am using a program that looks for 'libsqlite3.so' (with dlopen). However, the debian package for libsqlite3 only creates the link 'libsqlite3.so.0'. Which is wrong, the program or debian? |
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| 18:49.29 | PovAddict | amoe: the link without a soname is available in the libsqlite3-dev package |
| 18:49.42 | Kfree | hello |
| 18:49.44 | PovAddict | amoe: but interesting question... |
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| 18:49.52 | Kfree | debsecan --suite lenny --only-fixed --format packages |
| 18:49.53 | amoe | PovAddict: thanks, that solves it for me :) |
| 18:49.54 | Kfree | kdelibs |
| 18:49.56 | Kfree | kdelibs-data |
| 18:49.57 | Kfree | kdelibs4c2a |
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| 18:49.59 | Kfree | is there update for this ? |
| 18:50.38 | PovAddict | amoe: I think the program probably should be dlopen'ing the one with .0; the day sqlite breaks ABI and makes a libsqlite3.so.1, and the link changes to that, the program probably won't work correctly |
| 18:50.57 | superlinux | PovAddict, what do you mean? I should just add this variable, or must add more into the variable? |
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| 18:50.58 | PovAddict | but for now, installing the -dev package will be a safe workaround |
| 18:51.12 | PovAddict | superlinux: add LDFLAGS=-lm to the configure arguments |
| 18:51.21 | superlinux | ok |
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| 18:51.44 | dury | Couldn't find package google-gadgets-gtk |
| 18:51.54 | PovAddict | dury: are you on lenny? |
| 18:52.01 | dury | yeah |
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| 18:52.11 | PovAddict | I'm not sure... |
| 18:52.47 | PovAddict | you have two options, compiling it from source, or changing your APT configuration and getting that package alone from debian testing |
| 18:52.52 | PovAddict | but I don't know which will be harder for you |
| 18:53.11 | dury | lsb_release -a |
| 18:53.12 | amoe | PovAddict: thanks :) |
| 18:53.13 | dury | No LSB modules are available. |
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| 18:53.14 | dury | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 18:53.16 | dury | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) |
| 18:53.17 | dury | Release:5.0.3 |
| 18:53.19 | dury | Codename:lenny |
| 18:53.20 | abrotman | careta: no scripts at all |
| 18:53.29 | dury | sorry to paste it |
| 18:53.37 | careta | thanks abrotman i'll go file a bug |
| 18:53.45 | gutsy | how come sometimes when i install upgrades using: sudo aptitude full-upgrade" in unstable version of debian, it removes some packages; e.g. it removed my games section |
| 18:53.47 | abrotman | careta: try just moving the file to another name |
| 18:53.56 | superlinux | PovAddict, have you noticed this : checking for dummy main to link with Fortran libraries... none ? does that matter too? |
| 18:54.15 | ranix | !tell dury about paste |
| 18:54.15 | PovAddict | superlinux: on my machine it gives a different error because I don't have a fortran compiler at all |
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| 18:54.55 | dury | I will |
| 18:55.22 | ^shark_ | anybody know of a good tutorial on pppoe |
| 18:55.25 | ranix | judd: versions google-gadgets-gtk |
| 18:55.26 | judd | ranix: google-gadgets-gtk -- squeeze: 0.10.5-0.2 sid: 0.10.5-0.3 |
| 18:55.56 | ranix | there you go, dury - it's not in lenny. You can try backporting it |
| 18:55.59 | Kfree | there are security issues and debian, anyone know if update are available ? |
| 18:56.03 | Kfree | s/and/on |
| 18:56.08 | ranix | !tell dury about bpo |
| 18:56.12 | superlinux | PovAddict, well you should have fortran 77 compiler installed to check it. |
| 18:56.34 | ranix | !simple sid backport |
| 18:56.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 18:56.43 | ranix | dury: sorry about that, bpo was the wrong factoid |
| 18:56.43 | superlinux | i'll see what will "make" produce. |
| 18:57.10 | dury | never mind |
| 18:57.26 | PovAddict | superlinux: maybe what that check result means is "this platform doesn't need any dummy main fortran library to work" |
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| 18:57.38 | gutsy | how come sometimes when i install upgrades using: sudo aptitude full-upgrade" in unstable version of debian, it removes some packages; e.g. it removed my games section |
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| 18:58.15 | PriitM | priit@amd4200:~$ glxgears |
| 18:58.15 | PriitM | 8672 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1734.266 FPS |
| 18:58.20 | PriitM | fear my video card |
| 18:58.22 | PovAddict | superlinux: see "checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C" |
| 18:58.24 | dury | ranix: should I install or add backports |
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| 18:58.38 | PovAddict | PriitM: glxgears is not a valid benchmark |
| 18:58.42 | ranix | dury: I don't think that particular package has been backported |
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| 18:59.04 | PriitM | there's nothing to benchmark though, it's nvidia 7300LE |
| 18:59.17 | ranix | dury: you'll want to do the sid deb-src line as dpkg describes in simple-sid-backport. Go slow and use man pages and stuff to learn it so you don't get lost |
| 18:59.28 | ranix | it's not hard |
| 18:59.45 | xyan | gutsy: man aptitude, read about full-upgrade vs safe-upgrade |
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| 19:00.20 | ^shark_1 | anybody have a good tutorial on pppoe configurations |
| 19:00.36 | explody | is there some magical formula to getting apt-pinning to work properly or is it just buggy/weird? I need to downgrade most of my system from testing->stable, and I have * pinned to stable with a much higher priority than testing, but apt seems to just ignore the preferences completely |
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| 19:00.52 | gutsy | xyan: thanks |
| 19:01.27 | explody | the only way I've found to make it actually choose one release over another is to just remove the sources line(s) for whichever one I don't want, but that defeats the point |
| 19:01.30 | valdyn | explody: much higher is not enough to enforce downgrade, see the manpage |
| 19:01.37 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 19:01.44 | dury | geesssss....can someone drive me please.... google-gadgets-gtk... should I add a line in third-party software for google-gadgets |
| 19:02.08 | PovAddict | explody: downgrading isn't quite supported |
| 19:02.34 | explody | ah ok so the priority has to be over 1000 |
| 19:02.42 | valdyn | explody: i dont remember |
| 19:02.44 | dury | I mean in repositories |
| 19:02.55 | valdyn | dury: its only in sid and squeeze as dpkg just said |
| 19:02.58 | explody | valdyn: it's in the manpage, I just missed that bit |
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| 19:04.34 | dury | valdyn: sorry mate... I'm really lost... would you drive me, please :( |
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| 19:05.14 | jimcooncat | what protocols can I use with sources.list? http, I suspect ftp, what about ssh? torrent? |
| 19:05.42 | explody | jimcooncat: only http/ftp IIRC |
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| 19:06.12 | jimcooncat | thanks explody, I hope to find more documentation |
| 19:06.13 | ranix | dury: nobody has compiled that package for lenny |
| 19:06.18 | hark | jimcooncat: cdrom, file, http, ftp, copy, ssh, rsh |
| 19:06.24 | ranix | dury: you will have to live without or do it yourself |
| 19:06.31 | explody | hark: oh ffs duh, of course you're right |
| 19:06.43 | explody | I do not RC :P |
| 19:06.51 | ranix | dury: doing it yourself is not difficult |
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| 19:06.59 | jimcooncat | hark: really! I'd like to find out more about them, especially ssh and what "copy" is |
| 19:07.01 | hark | jimcooncat: man sources.list has the details |
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| 19:07.16 | dury | but.... but.... gesssss :( |
| 19:07.20 | MarkGil | Hi, new to Debian, can apt-get install handle perl modules, or do I need to use CPAN to install them? |
| 19:07.20 | jimcooncat | hark -- of course. (facepalm) |
| 19:08.10 | hark | MarkGil: for cpan, look into dh-make-perl |
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| 19:09.28 | dury | add this in third-Party Software tab? ->deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:09.43 | dury | is that correct? |
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| 19:10.27 | MarkGil | I can't instantly see the advantage of using dh-make-perl over cpan. Seems like a load of unnecessary hassle (and it compiles them, so I need things like a compile on my embedded system) |
| 19:10.34 | dury | just someone to drive me a little bit that's all I need |
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| 19:13.40 | sd_rocks | hi!! i am having Dell Studio 1555 latop with wifi card intel wifi 5100!! installed Debian 5.01, the system is not detecting the device!! even if i follow some web wiki i am help less to get my wifi workin!!!! |
| 19:13.54 | explody | has upgrade to xorg 1.6 completely broken anyone else's X clipboard? my application(e.g. kde or gnome) and X clipboards no longer sync even with a clipboard manager running |
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| 19:16.02 | dury | NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:16.28 | dury | after adding line that what it said |
| 19:16.40 | sd_rocks | anyone? |
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| 19:19.29 | abrotman | !tell sd_rocks about bpo |
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| 19:20.10 | `GMF` | hi all debian people |
| 19:20.22 | `GMF` | jelly, are you there ? |
| 19:20.43 | `GMF` | k ill ask to everyone |
| 19:20.52 | `GMF` | I got a new server HP Proliant DL180 G6 |
| 19:21.19 | `GMF` | I was thinking to install a fresh Debian Lenny but the installation doesnt recognize the network card |
| 19:21.46 | `GMF` | looking for info on HP support website i discovered that they havent support for Debian on this server model |
| 19:21.48 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 19:21.48 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 19:22.11 | `GMF` | valdyn, thanks dude I try it |
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| 19:33.10 | camlin | I have pretty quick question about tcpdump (yes, I googled quite a bit) |
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| 19:33.39 | camlin | I did tcpdump -n -i eth0 |
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| 19:34.10 | camlin | but it won't sniff all packets on my network |
| 19:34.22 | camlin | why could that be? I have my eth0 promisc |
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| 19:35.09 | camlin | anyone? |
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| 19:40.47 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy' |
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| 19:41.14 | WhiteCrow1 | how can i install nvidia glx 180 or 185 in debian lenny ? |
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| 19:41.53 | walkvontrun2 | hi! |
| 19:42.06 | Ilsa | hi guys. i'm just trying to install debian on my new acer notebook; unfortunaly its network card isnt supported by the netinstaller (needs atl1c driver which is in kernel>=2.6.29, this netinstall cd has 2.6.26) |
| 19:42.17 | Ilsa | what would you suggest as the easiest way to get the install running? |
| 19:42.41 | Ilsa | install from "normal" cd image and try to get network up'n'running afterwards? |
| 19:42.52 | Ilsa | could be hard to get a new kernel without network :/ |
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| 19:50.15 | dondelelcaro | Ilsa: I'd just install using the cd, and get a kernel on a usb stick from bdo. |
| 19:50.25 | Ilsa | bdo? |
| 19:50.29 | dondelelcaro | !bdo |
| 19:50.29 | dpkg | for backports ask me about <backports>; for bugs ask me about <bts> |
| 19:50.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ilsa -about backports |
| 19:50.57 | Ilsa | i see |
| 19:51.00 | dondelelcaro | Ilsa: they have 2.6.30 kernels which you can install |
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| 19:51.59 | Ilsa | ok |
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| 19:52.08 | Ilsa | should cd1 be enough for a minimal install? |
| 19:52.23 | Ilsa | (i have a single usb stick and no cd drive) |
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| 19:56.50 | `GMF` | valdyn, kmuto r0x! ;) |
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| 20:02.28 | mark_s | Hi all, I use a NFS folder to share stuff. It should be possible for everybody save, delete and rename stuff. But at the moment the file alwasy belongs to the owner depending on the group he is in. How do I change this behavior, so that in this folder everybody can do anything? |
| 20:03.25 | explody | re: xorg1.6 and clipboard - upgraded all my KDE and QT stuff to unstable, and clipboards are all working normally again. looks like there is some kind of kde problem |
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| 20:05.22 | Defiler | Upgrading from Etch to Lenny, following the release notes, did 'aptitude install aptitude'.. |
| 20:05.36 | Defiler | stuck with this situation now: aptitude: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by aptitude) |
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| 20:05.53 | Defiler | Lots of stuff on Google about it, nobody with a good-sounding fix. Anyone run into that? |
| 20:07.25 | jelly-home | Defiler: _why_ do you even have a libstdc++.so in there? |
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| 20:07.56 | Defiler | installing aptitude put it there |
| 20:08.15 | jelly-home | Defiler: Debian never uses /usr/local |
| 20:08.49 | Defiler | Oh, well spotted. wtf |
| 20:08.54 | jelly-home | that file hasn't come from a Debian package; figure out what put it there, and possibly remove it |
| 20:09.07 | Defiler | I was looking at /usr/lib, failing to notice the error was complaining about /usr/local/lib |
| 20:09.10 | jelly-home | do a ldconfig afterwards |
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| 20:09.43 | Defiler | oh god, there is ancient crap in here |
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| 20:10.11 | jelly-home | won't comment on Debian's "genius" idea to put /usr/local/lib in front of the default library path in lenny |
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| 20:10.42 | azeem | in lenny? |
| 20:10.53 | azeem | it's been like this since the 90s I'd gues |
| 20:10.54 | azeem | s |
| 20:11.02 | jelly-home | azeem: nope |
| 20:11.17 | Pryon | makes sense, doesn't it? |
| 20:11.19 | jelly-home | fairly recent change AFAIR, stuff broke for me recently |
| 20:11.40 | jelly-home | Pryon: no. You want /usr/local/lib, use rpath when linking |
| 20:11.45 | Pryon | Why would you put anything in /usr/local if you didn't want it used instead of the standard stuff? |
| 20:12.12 | jelly-home | Pryon: for your own apps in /usr/local/{bin,sbin}, duh |
| 20:12.24 | mark_s | how do I change the behavior of a nfs share, so that any user from any group can also use and delete files and folders from others? |
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| 20:13.33 | grendal_prime | i got a dir witth a crapload of little files and subdirs in it...it is going to take hella long time to delete them...isnt there a way to just unlink them? |
| 20:13.40 | grendal_prime | like a truncate file... |
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| 20:13.57 | grendal_prime | like truncate -R * |
| 20:14.07 | azeem | jelly-home: so you are complaining about /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf, am I getting this right? |
| 20:14.15 | jelly-home | azeem: I think I am. |
| 20:14.30 | azeem | jelly-home: my bet would be you removed /etc/ld.so.conf in the past, and now get bitten by the new ld.so.conf.d thingy |
| 20:14.38 | azeem | removed and/or modified |
| 20:15.00 | jelly-home | azeem: modified is very likely |
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| 20:23.31 | HazardX | Is there any way to tell aptitude/apt to NOT run init script restarts/starts/stops upon installing new packages? |
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| 20:28.28 | centHOGG | hi <handbrake & debian |
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| 20:29.15 | Kthakore | Hi tyre |
| 20:29.26 | Kthakore | Hi there |
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| 20:30.14 | centHOGG | hi |
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| 20:30.21 | drocko | Hey I have a question about power management. When Linux shutsdown or reboots, what actually tells the hardware to powerdown or reset? is it ACPI? |
| 20:30.53 | HazardX | drocko, if the system and kernel supports it yes |
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| 20:31.17 | elops | i'm trying to install debian4 and the installation stops at "select and install software" at 5%, without getting any error msg and the computer doesn't get freez. i have change the cd-rom drive and it's ide cable. It stops all the time at the same time. Any ideas?\ |
| 20:31.26 | drocko | HazardX : but it is the ACPI system in the kernel that's doing this? I ask because I have a computer that will poweroff when it's shutdown, but not when it's rebooted. |
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| 20:31.37 | elops | time=percent point* |
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| 20:32.18 | centHOGG | elops: does it work with other os |
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| 20:33.01 | do0ob | hello everyone |
| 20:33.01 | HazardX | drocko, if its rebooted wouldn't you expect that? |
| 20:33.08 | HazardX | not to poweroff when rebooted ? o.O |
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| 20:33.25 | do0ob | what is the state of the ati drivers? are they well supported yet? |
| 20:33.44 | drocko | HazardX : I mean that Linux stops, but it does not tell the hardware to reset so the computer just sits there without restarting. |
| 20:33.50 | bolt | HazardX: i expect he means it doesn't reset |
| 20:33.53 | bolt | gah |
| 20:33.59 | HazardX | Ahhh |
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| 20:34.25 | HazardX | I have no idea, try booting with acpi=off on the kernel line, see if you can get a normal reboot (you probably won't be able to shutoff then) |
| 20:34.28 | drocko | it's this custom piece of hardware, so i worry a linux driver doesn't exist for it |
| 20:35.00 | drocko | HazardX : I'll give that a shot again. Can't hurt at this point! |
| 20:35.08 | drocko | this thing is driving me crazy |
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| 20:35.23 | HazardX | does it need to reboot unassisted but not shutting off is ok? |
| 20:35.54 | drocko | HazardX : it's going to be a display in a kiosk, so it needs to be able to reboot unassisted |
| 20:36.40 | bolt | drocko: you could also try what used to be the "acpi=force" option. think it's changed now, though. but it does some real mode shutdown hacks for difficult bios'es. had to use it on my old box |
| 20:36.52 | HazardX | well, my incredibly retarded solution would be (if you had a spare serial port or something) have a microcontroller act like a watchdog, and if it dosen't recieve a "don't kill me" transmission from the computer, it toggles the reset function on the board |
| 20:36.56 | bolt | drocko: that was for making it shut down too, though, but it might correct your reboot situation |
| 20:37.03 | HazardX | Of course, that's just me and there's probably something easier anyway |
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| 20:37.09 | drocko | bolt : cool. I"ll check that out next |
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| 20:37.29 | HazardX | Or force old APM |
| 20:37.30 | bolt | drocko: google for it, and i'm sure you'll find whatever it's supposed to be called today |
| 20:37.32 | HazardX | that might work too |
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| 20:37.40 | bolt | yeh. apm too might work |
| 20:37.47 | drocko | apm_available indicates that this guy doesn't support apm |
| 20:37.57 | drocko | but i'm not sure how accurate that is |
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| 20:38.09 | HazardX | I've got some buggy dell P3 boards that have ACPI support amounting to knowing when the power button is presssed, everything else is still done by APM |
| 20:38.29 | HazardX | drocko, I've got lots of boards that say the same thing. They're subsquently, all lying. |
| 20:38.37 | elops | there is a worning on one console window from 16:24 and right now here is 22:37 and I started that instalation before 10 mins... anyway I cannot bypass that worning, even if i type the requested "yes" |
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| 20:39.03 | drocko | wow it did not like that acpi=off parameter |
| 20:39.03 | drocko | hah |
| 20:39.16 | HazardX | what'd it do? |
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| 20:39.23 | HazardX | spew fire and beep in protest? |
| 20:39.34 | drocko | ha i wish |
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| 20:39.40 | HazardX | (or menacingly, it could also beep menacingly) |
| 20:39.46 | drocko | no video and then when i shut it down via ssh it does the same thing as before |
| 20:39.47 | drocko | just sits there |
| 20:39.50 | drocko | mocking me |
| 20:39.54 | drocko | saying "restarting system" |
| 20:40.00 | drocko | do not lie to me little computer |
| 20:40.04 | drocko | you will never restart! |
| 20:40.41 | HazardX | Well, there's always the sledgehammer solution, that is- to devise some kind of hardware watchdog |
| 20:40.49 | HazardX | anyway, goodluck I gots to go |
| 20:41.16 | drocko | bolt : are you sure acpi=force is depreciated? |
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| 20:44.48 | elops | the console has alot of in-target msgs like "libpoppler0c2-glib libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 etc... adn it says "Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? yes, no" |
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| 20:45.37 | drocko | elops :what is the exact error that it says abou those things? |
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| 20:54.43 | jhutchins_lt | anybody running avgscan? |
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| 20:56.44 | babilen | elops: Does it complain about untrusted packages? |
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| 20:59.15 | mark_s | i just installed debian 5 on a intel s300ah board. everything worked fin. If I but now I get the message:"MCFG area at f0000000 is not reserved in APCI motherboard resources" and the system doesn't boot. What can I do? |
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| 20:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | mark_s: add "noapci" to your boot command. |
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| 21:00.06 | mark_s | ok. I try |
| 21:00.15 | fanen | hi i am trying to install oracle 11g on leny but i have a problem plz how can help me to fix it |
| 21:00.17 | jhutchins_lt | mark_s: You know how to do that with grub? |
| 21:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | fanen: Contact Oracle support. |
| 21:00.38 | oblu | fanen: try me |
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| 21:01.34 | fanen | waw it's a miracle it just work the installer |
| 21:01.53 | oblu | fanen: yep its a fun .. |
| 21:02.07 | fanen | o0 |
| 21:03.08 | ElDiabolo | fanem: Are there official debian packages for Oracle 11g? |
| 21:03.24 | nsadmin | oh hell no :) |
| 21:03.27 | oblu | fanen: but for dev purposes its ok.. if you are creating prod. server, that centos or redhat |
| 21:03.49 | nsadmin | oracle is commercial... |
| 21:03.59 | nsadmin | but |
| 21:04.07 | fanen | i ve download it from oracle |
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| 21:04.26 | mark_s | jhutchins_lt: I grub I append noapci. And press b. I just did, the same result. |
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| 21:04.37 | nsadmin | you can get a OTN account for free and download oracle (could take awhile :) |
| 21:05.35 | nsadmin | Is grub2 really better than grub1 for any reason except support? |
| 21:05.48 | mark_s | The system tells me: not using mmconfig, bios bug: MCFG area at f0000000 is not reserved in APCI motherboard resources, not using mmconfig |
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| 21:06.15 | oblu | nsadmin: i hate that sh* |
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| 21:06.35 | oblu | nsadmin: i've removed that immediately and installed grub-legacy |
| 21:06.37 | nsadmin | oblu: oh... reason? and which do you hate? |
| 21:06.46 | nsadmin | oh, grub2 is what you hate |
| 21:06.50 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 21:07.36 | nsadmin | and include an example please :) specifically, what is one recent experience that led you to not like it? |
| 21:07.55 | nsadmin | brb, next coffee cup |
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| 21:09.25 | oblu | nsadmin: it just didn't work. it detected lvm bootable partitions so a lot! of new lines. other thing was that i didn't actually boot up any partition with 3rd module (like xenhypervisor) .. all thetime something about bad magic number. |
| 21:09.58 | nsadmin | oh, so there are more sanity checks I guess |
| 21:11.03 | oblu | nsadmin: configs are very different, i dont know, ofcourse that if i would digg deeper it would work, but grub1 works fine now. |
| 21:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do I find the last source package of a software that has been orphaned 2003? |
| 21:11.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | (bug 201372a) |
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| 21:11.58 | nsadmin | oblu: ok cool :) thanks for your comments :) |
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| 21:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, it's actually been adopted afterr that, but it's again gone now |
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| 21:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it's been in ubuntu at least until 2007 |
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| 21:16.45 | tote | ive installed a new network card, how do i disable the old one and make sure the new one is eth0? |
| 21:16.52 | melissa | does anyone know if there is a software equalizer that affects all alsa output? |
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| 21:18.23 | paxcoder | Does Debian use any software licenses that are not free software by FSF's standards? |
| 21:18.47 | paxcoder | I'd say no, right? |
| 21:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell tote -about z25 |
| 21:18.57 | jelly-home | paxcoder: like, BSD or Apache or MIT or other permissive licenses? |
| 21:19.13 | paxcoder | jelly-home: no, those are all free. |
| 21:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | mark_s: Strange, that should bypass it, you may want to try noapci noapic. |
| 21:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | melissa, I think that's possible |
| 21:19.24 | freenose | paxcoder: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html |
| 21:19.49 | jelly-home | paxcoder: where's the definition of acceptable licenses for "free software"? |
| 21:20.02 | tote | CutMeOwnThroat: i removed the line with my old eth0 and renamed the line with my new network card to eth0 but during boot it said, cannot rename eth0 something... |
| 21:20.11 | explody | http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines |
| 21:20.27 | paxcoder | jelly-home: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ (list not exclusive) |
| 21:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | melissa, users .asoundrc affect all alsa output... |
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| 21:21.02 | cloudy_nz | I just want to say Debian foomatic printer stuff rocks! |
| 21:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | tote, in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? udev doesn't _re_name interfaces/devices, it creates them |
| 21:21.22 | paxcoder | freenose: jelly-home: Do you know if blobs will be removed in squeeze? |
| 21:21.27 | cloudy_nz | I had huge trouble with an HP MFC printer in Vista, and it worked first time in Debian with eVince |
| 21:21.36 | cloudy_nz | Debian engineers are the coolest |
| 21:21.58 | paxcoder | cloudy_nz: lucker. |
| 21:21.59 | tote | CutMeOwnThroat: i guess i shouldn't have removed the line then, maybe it recreated then device and then couldnt name my new to eth0 |
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| 21:22.23 | jelly-home | paxcoder: blobs, the kernel ones? |
| 21:22.34 | paxcoder | jelly-home: is there any other kind? |
| 21:23.01 | jelly-home | paxcoder: it's an ongoing process. I don't know whether it's a release goal. |
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| 21:23.10 | paxcoder | jelly-home: there's that frirmware-linux thing whatnot, are there more? |
| 21:23.18 | paxcoder | oh |
| 21:24.14 | freenose | are you looking for a distro with 100% free software? |
| 21:24.15 | paxcoder | jelly-home: freenose: other than clearly proprietary blobs, are there any licenses accepted that are non-free in your opinion? |
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| 21:24.40 | jelly-home | paxcoder: I have no idea, DFSG is good enough for me :-) |
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| 21:24.53 | paxcoder | freenose: please don't reccomend gNewSense :-) I'm satisfied with Debian now. |
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| 21:25.28 | paxcoder | (didn't know blobs were required to drive the graphics drivers, but they're separated in squeeze for now) |
| 21:25.40 | freenose | what's your point? |
| 21:25.45 | paxcoder | jelly-home: if only "we"d abide by it. |
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| 21:26.02 | paxcoder | freenose: point? what do you mean? |
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| 21:26.19 | jelly-home | paxcoder: thus I don't even have a good idea of what FSF's idea of "free software" is what are the parts that clearly separate it from DFSG |
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| 21:27.04 | paxcoder | jelly-home: I think they're pretty compatible. Again, the problem is when people vote against DFSG: |
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| 21:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions scigraphica-common |
| 21:27.12 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: scigraphica-common -- |
| 21:27.19 | explody | paxcoder: this pretty much answers the base question, it lists licenses in use in main: http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
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| 21:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn bot, why didn't you say when I /msg'd you |
| 21:28.00 | eldowan | Is there a simple way to log outbound ssh connections? I don't want to re-configure my firewall to log those for a short time, and I cannot find a simple CLI (preferred) tool to do the task. I don't need to capture packets, just log what IP/MAC initiated the connection, and where it is going. I found iptraf, but was looking for something I could let run for a few days, and iptraf logs *all* connections even with filters applied. |
| 21:28.10 | paxcoder | explody: oh right. thanks. |
| 21:28.10 | freenose | paxcoder: you sound like you don't want non-free software in your OS |
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| 21:28.20 | paxcoder | explody: are you sure those are all? |
| 21:28.28 | paxcoder | freenose: that's correct. |
| 21:28.47 | explody | paxcoder: nope, but I'm not about to take up an audit of the whole package tree ;) |
| 21:28.59 | explody | so I'll assume the list is correct |
| 21:29.00 | paxcoder | explody: pleeease? |
| 21:29.03 | paxcoder | ;-) |
| 21:29.24 | babilen | eldowan: tcpdump maybe? |
| 21:29.26 | explody | hehe. Given the snit with mplayer, I'd be surprised if there was anything non-free that had snuck in |
| 21:29.55 | eldowan | babilen: thats exactly what I was actually looking for. I couldn't remember the damn name. Thanks a lot for the help. |
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| 21:30.19 | babilen | eldowan: You are welcome. I was not sure if tcpdump was indeed what you were looking for. |
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| 21:30.51 | eldowan | babilen: thats excatly it, I can run $( tcpdump | grep ssh ) and log the information that I want. |
| 21:31.38 | explody | or just tcpdump -p 22 |
| 21:31.55 | babilen | paxcoder: Are you aware of the differences between main, contrib and non-free? |
| 21:32.10 | explody | duh I mean tcpdump port 22 |
| 21:32.18 | eldowan | explody: I love this channel. I was looking through the man page, and had only got to -D. You're great. |
| 21:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, apt-cache doesn't search deb-src packages? |
| 21:32.44 | paxcoder | babilen: I only am not sure about contrib. Is it documentation or..? |
| 21:32.57 | explody | eldowan: keep in mind that packet dumping a connection like that is extremely verbose |
| 21:33.18 | babilen | paxcoder: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections |
| 21:33.19 | jelly-home | eldowan: a simple way to do it could also be using iptables log module. |
| 21:33.46 | babilen | paxcoder: contrib is free software that depends on non-free libraries/software |
| 21:34.50 | eldowan | jelly-home: babilen: Well, I'm actually not sure what I need to be doing. My network has been accused of doing a dictionary attack on multiple ssh servers of a specific company. But I don't actually know its originating from my network at all. so I figure I would just capture the ssh connection information passing through my firewall, and analyze it for offending outgoing connections. Any ideas? |
| 21:35.01 | paxcoder | babilen: yeah. thanks for the info. Wonder why GNU radio wasn't in there... |
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| 21:35.18 | freenose | paxcoder: so you don't use flash? :) |
| 21:35.24 | paxcoder | freenose: no |
| 21:35.39 | paxcoder | freenose: i do use swfdec actually. |
| 21:36.18 | jelly-home | eldowan: and you have a Debian machine posing as outbound firewall? |
| 21:36.55 | babilen | eldowan: Sounds like a plan. But these ssh attacks are quite frequently, i can see them just scroll by on some hosts. |
| 21:37.13 | eldowan | jelly-home: not posing. its an active firewall in production, but I was wanting to not mess with iptables if I can manage. |
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| 21:38.10 | eldowan | babilen: I don't think I would mind logging excess information. I can just filter the log file for the specific domain / ip address I am looking for. I'm hoping thats an actual plan though. |
| 21:39.50 | babilen | eldowan: It might help you to find compromised hosts on your network if these attacks *really* originate from it. |
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| 21:40.29 | babilen | eldowan: Do you need to provide ssh access to that company? |
| 21:40.33 | eldowan | babilen: Yeah, thats what I was thinking. |
| 21:41.03 | eldowan | babilen: I've never heard of the company, but none of my users *should* have ssh anyway. They are all running Windows XP... |
| 21:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there something like apt-get build-dep for an unpacked control file? |
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| 21:42.44 | babilen | eldowan: Why not just block ssh connection attempts to that company and log these blocked packages. That way you can be sure that nothing originates from your network and you can still single out malicious hosts. |
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| 21:43.14 | babilen | eldowan: We might want to head over to #debian-offtopic though... |
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| 21:44.07 | jelly-home | or ##networking |
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| 21:47.19 | ruben23 | do sysadmin guys dreamed to setup and have ther own mail server..running..;-) thats a fact.... |
| 21:47.26 | eldowan | babilen: point. I'm there if you like |
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| 21:56.01 | funky | does any of you have installed lighting extension for icedove on debian sid (amd64) ? |
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| 22:00.10 | foo | hm, which package is oggdemux part of? my apt-file is crawling |
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| 22:01.52 | becky | foo, then it should find it somewhen |
| 22:02.19 | foo | becky: uh, what? apt-file update is taking forever to update... like, dozens of minutes, I don't know if it's my connection or what. |
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| 22:06.10 | becky | foo, otherwize ask http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 22:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder, apt-file was always slow |
| 22:11.53 | foo | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought I remember it being quicker |
| 22:11.54 | foo | hm |
| 22:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | a bit |
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| 22:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | libgstreamermm-0.10-dev: /usr/include/gstreamermm-0.10/gstreamermm/oggdemux.h |
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| 22:14.08 | Darkedge | uhhh question, Can I search with APT? |
| 22:14.34 | dimir | apt-cache search <string> |
| 22:14.44 | Xenguy | Darkedge: aptitude or apt-cache |
| 22:14.48 | Darkedge | dimir: Thanks |
| 22:14.58 | dimir | Darkedge: np |
| 22:15.10 | Darkedge | and what's the diffrence between aotitude and apt-cache? |
| 22:16.30 | Xenguy | Darkedge: aptitude is the 'new' tool; 'apt-cache' is an older tool |
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| 22:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | multiword searching is normally more useful with apt-cache, though |
| 22:23.12 | Xenguy | still uses apt-cache out of habit... |
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| 22:27.43 | jhutchins_lt | apt-cache was the original dedicated search tool. |
| 22:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude tries to be more of an integrated tool. |
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| 22:30.02 | babilen | uses apt-cache only for 'apt-cache policy' and otherwise some funky aptitude ~d~i~foo |
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| 22:35.00 | sshc_ | how do I install module "ati"? (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 22:38.14 | babilen | sshc_: install the 'xserver-xorg-video-ati' or one of the -{mach64,radeon,r128} packages |
| 22:38.20 | sshc_ | thanks, babilen |
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| 22:38.54 | babilen | sshc_: What hardware do you use? |
| 22:38.55 | krion | hi |
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| 22:39.22 | krion | how much disk space and bandwith approximately would cost me to do a apt mirror of etch and lenny ? |
| 22:40.23 | sshc_ | babilen: I forget which video card it is; it's sort of old |
| 22:40.53 | babilen | sshc_: then the -ati package is perfect (it depends on the other ones) |
| 22:41.44 | babilen | krion: I would say the bandwidth depends on how many people use you mirror. |
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| 22:42.21 | krion | i think i'll not have the autorisation to make it public |
| 22:42.37 | krion | so i was talking in a matter of keeping it uptodate for my personal use |
| 22:42.54 | krion | and only for the main branch |
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| 22:43.28 | babilen | krion: I am not sure about that. But I guess that it won't be much. |
| 22:43.29 | cusco | krion: it doesn't seem sensible to have millions of packages when you are only going to use a few |
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| 22:44.11 | krion | cusco: but i've 60 machines |
| 22:44.13 | babilen | krion: You could use one of the apt proxies |
| 22:44.15 | makoshark86 | i'm trying to have a filesytem checked at bootup with fsck, but i want the system to continue booting if it fails. anyone know how to disable the "enter root password for maintenance" prompt that prevents my system from booting without intervention when the partition doesn't exist? |
| 22:44.42 | eldowan | is there a quick way to see what processes have open connections on a specific port? |
| 22:44.45 | krion | babilen: i heard that it could not handle multiple connection at the same time |
| 22:44.52 | babilen | If you *really* want to have a mirror you might want to write a mail to http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 22:44.57 | krion | and as my crond all set up at the same time... |
| 22:45.17 | krion | babilen: would i be able to keep it private ? |
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| 22:45.33 | makoshark86 | eldowan, netstat |grep <process> |
| 22:45.45 | makoshark86 | <port>* |
| 22:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | eldowan: netstat -a |
| 22:45.53 | krion | eldowan: netstat -pan |
| 22:46.11 | krion | eldowan: fuser also |
| 22:46.21 | scyth | any ideas why there's no i386 iso images available for debian-testing ? |
| 22:46.23 | eldowan | makoshark86: jhutchins_lt: krion: Thanks for the quick response. |
| 22:46.28 | cusco | krion: then it seems sensible to use something like a apt proxy |
| 22:46.46 | cusco | it will only download packages once, they stay cached for other machines |
| 22:46.52 | bolt | !apt-mirror |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | somebody said apt-mirror was a tool for making a local mirror of any apt source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free". Discussion forum: http://sf.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335 . http://apt-mirror.sf.net/ See also <debian mirrors>. |
| 22:46.58 | babilen | krion: There are some. apt-proxy, apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng |
| 22:47.00 | krion | cusco: as i said, i heard that it not handle multiple connections well |
| 22:47.29 | cusco | I don't see why not |
| 22:47.41 | krion | i'll try myself |
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| 22:47.49 | cusco | we use squid as a normal proxy and apt-cacher |
| 22:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | Also doesn't address what if you want package foo for one system on thursday, then for a different one next tuesday. |
| 22:48.02 | cusco | squid automatically redirects requests to apt-cacher |
| 22:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: How long does that cache files? |
| 22:48.25 | cusco | apt-cacher looks up if the package is in cache or if it needs to download it |
| 22:48.39 | cusco | jhutchins_lt: its configurable |
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| 22:53.29 | eldowan | I think I need some help. looking through the output of `tcpdump port 22` I am unsure of what is happening. I have many, many, instances of entries like this:17:56:48.514464 IP 65.203.97.98.46775 > 220.228.163.108.ssh: . ack 1860556068 win 8448 <nop,nop,timestamp 1076447868 1416937256>. I think this is my network initiating an ssh connection to a foreign address. Is this correct? |
| 22:55.19 | makoshark86 | i need to have my sytem continue when an entry in fstab doesn't exist |
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| 22:55.40 | makoshark86 | instead of halting with the "enter password for maintenance" prompt |
| 22:55.52 | makoshark86 | anyone know a good way to do that? |
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| 22:56.20 | eldowan | makoshark86: I don't get a message like that when an fstab entry doesn't exist. My system logs that the entry isn't there, and continues booting. |
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| 22:57.31 | dannyboy1121x | Need some help. Trying to set up a jabber server .. wiped the /etc/jabber directory and re installing the package with apt-get does not re create it ... |
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| 22:57.40 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 22:57.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 22:57.44 | grendal_prime | is there a tool (console app) that will give me realtime disk usage stats? |
| 22:57.58 | dannyboy1121x | sysstat grendal? |
| 22:58.01 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: iostat |
| 22:58.38 | dannyboy1121x | ahhh tyvm |
| 22:58.55 | TheBlunderbuss | I installed the package "dosage" along with all its dependencies through apt, and it isn't in my path. There's no hint of how to run it. |
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| 22:59.02 | grendal_prime | are those part of a particlar package? |
| 22:59.21 | makoshark86 | i think it's because i have fsck checking enabled, which i need |
| 22:59.43 | babilen | eldowan: Yes, these might be ssh connection attempts. Are these the network in question? |
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| 23:00.53 | kthakore | hi there |
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| 23:01.26 | kthakore | where can I get a internet installing iso for lenny 5.0.3 ? |
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| 23:01.35 | kthakore | I don't need 6 dvds of stuff |
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| 23:01.44 | kthakore | ?? |
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| 23:01.56 | babilen | kthakore: debian.org->network install |
| 23:02.02 | kthakore | babilen: thanks |
| 23:02.04 | grendal_prime | nevermind its in sysstat |
| 23:02.11 | grendal_prime | i was missing the 3rd s |
| 23:02.18 | ruben23 | hi |
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| 23:03.56 | lobo99 | i'm installing lenny on PIII, stops in Loading /install.386/initrd.gz.............ready |
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| 23:05.56 | dannyboy1121x | amethyst .. confmiss didn't appear to cure the issue |
| 23:06.21 | kthakore | babilen: thanks |
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| 23:06.43 | TheBlunderbuss | oh there it is. You run dosage from /usr/bin/mainline yeah that was so obvious. |
| 23:06.52 | TheBlunderbuss | Kinda breaks debian convention. |
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| 23:07.24 | dannyboy1121x | !confmiss |
| 23:07.24 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 23:08.25 | babilen | dannyboy1121x: Thank you. But please query/msg dpkg privately next time. |
| 23:08.52 | dannyboy1121x | apologies |
| 23:09.06 | nsadmin | it would be useful to have code that produces the original config files in a separate place, such as a dir off your home dir, so you could edit and reestablish as you want |
| 23:09.18 | babilen | lobo99: You might want to try the graphical installer first. I saw it working when the basic/expert install failed. If that does not work there might be another error. |
| 23:09.41 | Xenguy | nsadmin: there's something called 'etckeeper' IIRC |
| 23:10.06 | Xenguy | nsadmin: not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for though |
| 23:10.11 | nsadmin | Xenguy: hmm, sounds like a backerupper |
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| 23:10.30 | intx | anyone here succesfully installed xtables-addons on debian? |
| 23:10.37 | babilen | !anyone |
| 23:10.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:11.06 | intx | s/anyone here succesfully installed xtables-addons on debian\?/how do I succesfully install xtables-addons on debian\?/ |
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| 23:11.15 | nsadmin | intx: state what you have done |
| 23:11.28 | babilen | intx: and the problems you ran into |
| 23:11.30 | intx | i have a custom kernel |
| 23:11.42 | babilen | intx: preferrably a paste of the actual commands and outcome |
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| 23:11.49 | intx | i've installed the packages xtables-addons-common and xtables-addons-source |
| 23:11.56 | nsadmin | judd versions xtables-addons |
| 23:11.57 | judd | nsadmin: xtables-addons -- |
| 23:12.16 | nsadmin | what's a xtable? |
| 23:12.20 | lobo99 | babilen: i tried with edd=off and works |
| 23:12.43 | babilen | lobo99: Ok. Great! (What does it do?) |
| 23:13.04 | nsadmin | judd versions xtables |
| 23:13.04 | judd | nsadmin: xtables -- |
| 23:13.11 | lobo99 | try with expert mode, stops in probing edd, I don't know! |
| 23:13.17 | intx | !xtables |
| 23:13.17 | dpkg | [xtables] the 'wtf my iptables is broken' solution |
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| 23:13.59 | nsadmin | so xtables is the new iptables and we're going to get a whole new replacement for netfilter? |
| 23:14.02 | aanderse | how can i choose which version of a kernel module i want to install with module assistant/ |
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| 23:14.04 | aanderse | * ? |
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| 23:15.04 | babilen | wants pf on Debian not some xtables |
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| 23:16.48 | goathens | HI, I'm used to using ubuntu as a desktop. I'm looking to set up a headless server primarily as a NAS/backup, but also for some light home-server duty like media streaming/rtorrent/lighttpd. I think I'm correct in choosing debian instead of ubuntu. |
| 23:17.00 | goathens | What are some of the differences between the two, more or less? |
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| 23:18.51 | krion | even. |
| 23:19.07 | krion | but debian is better :) |
| 23:19.12 | nsadmin | goathens: mostly the difference is in what debian's maints do and what ubuntu's maints do. debian has packages which are firstly uploaded to unstable, then these packages "leak" into testing after a period of time, and then testing is released |
| 23:19.23 | dannyboy1121x | ok .. really stuck trying to completely reinstall jabber .. even with the --force--confmiss option I can't seem to get it to recreate the /etc/jabber directory and contents. I wonder if there is any other way of erasing any memory of it from the server and reinstalling |
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| 23:19.51 | somiaj | goathens: also a bit of personal preference and what system you would rather work with and configure. [along with a different collection of packages which are deemed server stable] |
| 23:20.55 | nsadmin | once testing is released, it is considered stable, which means among other things... no versions of packages will change, instead, -important- bugs get fixed in the existing version. this is representative of what debian as a whole considers "stability". |
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| 23:21.42 | nsadmin | ubuntu, otoh, takes debian unstable periodically (like once every 6 mos) and does their own work stablizing them. |
| 23:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | Or not. |
| 23:23.25 | goathens | Ha, ok. sounds good. |
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| 23:23.43 | goathens | One thing, i'm looking to backup to a secondary hard drive and am trying to ensure that it is a "drop in" replacement. |
| 23:23.59 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm logged into a box twice, once remotely and once locally. Can I kill the local login from the remote ? Both have the same name. |
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| 23:24.08 | goathens | ubuntu used UUIDs in fstab, so that plan wouldn't work so well. does debian use UUID in fstab? |
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| 23:24.24 | nsadmin | well I don't personally know what they do to stablize, but if this is still current as to what they do, then at -best- ubuntu is duplicating effort |
| 23:24.34 | nsadmin | yes, I'm using uuids now |
| 23:24.46 | somiaj | nsadmin: the server version of unbuntu is a lot more frozen than desktop most people use though. |
| 23:25.07 | goathens | hmm. can I configure debian to not use UUIDs? |
| 23:25.30 | nsadmin | why? just don't have them |
| 23:26.04 | nsadmin | I had to manually switch to them |
| 23:26.13 | goathens | ahh. that works. I just don't get down into the nitty-gritty of the OS so often. |
| 23:26.32 | goathens | but with a server, it all of a sudden matters. |
| 23:26.40 | nsadmin | out of idle curiousity, why not uuids? |
| 23:28.13 | goathens | they're unique to the hard drive, right? so if I dropped my "backup" hard drive in place of the main hard drive- like to the same sata port- wouldn't the uuids be different? |
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| 23:28.13 | Internat | yes they will |
| 23:28.13 | nsadmin | they're unique to the partition |
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| 23:28.27 | nsadmin | and aiui, they are not used in all fs types |
| 23:28.43 | Internat | kinda the point of a UNIVERSAL unique identifier.. so yeah, drop the uuid and use port references then.. |
| 23:29.14 | HazardX | how would I go about preventing the kernel from loading any of the alsa 'snd' drivers? (this is in sid) |
| 23:29.48 | goathens | yeah, that was my goal. I didn't know if you could select to use them or not. Sometimes certain settings are just set that way. |
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| 23:34.38 | nsadmin | goathens: uuids are good for when you upgrade the kernel which could cause a /dev/X name change |
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| 23:34.50 | nsadmin | assuming it does, the uuid would stay the same |
| 23:34.58 | Tony_montana | a ja z polski |
| 23:35.00 | Tony_montana | :D |
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| 23:35.19 | goathens | Understood. |
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| 23:35.58 | nsadmin | other things about servers... you generally want to protect certain dir trees from having their storage fill up |
| 23:36.05 | nsadmin | like / |
| 23:36.40 | goathens | I was trying to consider the differences between stable, testing, and unstable. |
| 23:36.44 | pngwn | Tony_montana, #debian.pl ? |
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| 23:37.20 | Tony_montana | pngwn tak |
| 23:37.22 | Tony_montana | ;] |
| 23:37.27 | nsadmin | so... you probably want to have separate /, /home, /var, /tmp, /usr partitions |
| 23:38.17 | babilen | !tell HazardX about blacklist |
| 23:38.18 | goathens | really? I'm not trying to make that serious a server though. |
| 23:38.34 | goathens | I was also thinking /tmp and /var/tmp -> ramdisk. |
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| 23:38.53 | nsadmin | could be |
| 23:39.06 | HazardX | babilen, thx, I'll give that a shot. |
| 23:39.09 | goathens | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.19 | babilen | HazardX: You are welcome. |
| 23:39.26 | nsadmin | maybe you should consider use of lvm |
| 23:39.42 | goathens | lvm... what's that one again? |
| 23:39.53 | nsadmin | logical volume manager |
| 23:40.03 | goathens | Isn't that raid stuff? |
| 23:40.45 | nsadmin | allows you to group physical storage and define partitions (aka "logical volumes") which are named |
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| 23:41.22 | goathens | ahh- i'm trying to keep all of this to one HDD. |
| 23:41.42 | nsadmin | yeah, I like lvm on one drive myself |
| 23:41.47 | goathens | "go green" and all that- use a mini-itx board and such. |
| 23:41.55 | massmc | hi, with the cpu frequency scaling applet in 503, how do you change settings on it? in ubuntu it's left click and theres a drop down menu |
| 23:41.58 | goathens | ohh, what would you use lvm for on one drive? |
| 23:42.22 | goathens | just give me an example of how you do it, and what lvm made possible that normal partitioning wouldn't have. |
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| 23:42.52 | nsadmin | pretty much the only way I'd use multiple drives is to establish a striped raid and have the whole thing -- moreorless -- be one lvm physical volume |
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| 23:43.12 | babilen | goathens: You can change the size of the "partitions" easily. |
| 23:43.19 | nsadmin | in short, lvm on top of real, hardware raid |
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| 23:43.59 | nsadmin | otherwise, lvm on top of one single large drive |
| 23:44.04 | goathens | would I be in trouble if I tried to restore an lvm "partition" on a different machine? |
| 23:44.41 | nsadmin | well you would back up the LV the same way you'd back up any partition |
| 23:45.15 | nsadmin | the way to get into trouble is by moving to a new kernel or rescue media that didn't have lvm support |
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| 23:45.33 | goathens | I see. |
| 23:46.06 | nsadmin | so essentially your rescue media has to support what you're using to mount / at -minimum- |
| 23:46.13 | iluminator101 | hey can some link me a wicd wpa2+aes template? |
| 23:47.07 | nsadmin | I'd almost say that if you're not familiar with lvm, you shouldn't suddenly move to it... |
| 23:47.12 | goathens | ok. But, If my partition scheme were basically /boot / and the rest as /home (filling the drive) would I have much to gain by using lvm? |
| 23:47.56 | nsadmin | I think you would, because you'd be able to change your mind on that point as long as you had unallocated space in your PV |
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| 23:49.00 | nsadmin | what's the server for again? and how far away from you would it be located? |
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| 23:49.19 | iluminator101 | here is what i got its connect and i get dhcp but renewal is slow |
| 23:49.23 | iluminator101 | http://pastebin.com/d6d4165eb |
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| 23:50.31 | goathens | home server. NAS, regular backups (of the NAS onto another hard drive via eSATA), rtorrent, ssh from outside world (Not as the router though), minimal web server, nothing specific really, just general home project stuff. |
| 23:50.54 | Jygga | hi i got a little apt problem and would be gratefull if somebody could nudge me into the right direction to solve it |
| 23:51.05 | iluminator101 | the protocol is wpa and data encryption is aes |
| 23:51.20 | Jygga | zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13) but 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15 is to be installed |
| 23:51.57 | Jygga | how do i solve that kind of #~++?\ ? tagging that version? |
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| 23:52.47 | nsadmin | goathens: so I'm getting that uptimes are not particularly important |
| 23:53.28 | babilen | Jygga: Could you paste the complete output somewhere. I assume that you are running testing or unstable, is that correct? |
| 23:53.34 | nsadmin | (i.e., you don't have to say to your boss "this server has been up with no problems for about 3 years") |
| 23:53.57 | goathens | heh, no not at all. |
| 23:54.06 | goathens | only thing I worry is that my data goes byebye. |
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| 23:54.31 | nsadmin | and your data is stored off of /home? |
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| 23:54.34 | goathens | but that's why the eSATA drive is actually 2. and one of them spends most of the time in a safe deposit box. |
| 23:54.38 | goathens | yeah, off /home. |
| 23:54.57 | goathens | it's really just me accessing it anyways. |
| 23:55.35 | babilen | goathens: I would actually suggest getting an external hd, using rsnapshot for backups to that hd. You could then plug the other hd into the system and double your disk space. |
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| 23:55.58 | Jygga | babilen http://www.pastey.net/127372 |
| 23:56.25 | goathens | rsnapshot... is that the one that keeps historic "snapshots" using rsync and hard-links |
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| 23:57.03 | Jygga | there are some packages from testing involved yes |
| 23:57.07 | babilen | goathens: That would mean though, that you will *not* be able to just plug in the second hd and the system will run again. On the other hand you'll get periodic (hourly, daily, ...) backups that are snapshots, easily accessible and all that... |
| 23:57.21 | babilen | goathens: Yes, exactly that tool. |
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| 23:58.10 | goathens | yeah, I'd heard of one a little more informal called faubackup |
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| 23:58.28 | babilen | Jygga: Do you run sid or squeeze? Why don't you use aptitude? |
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| 23:58.53 | Jygga | actually thats etch with mixed in lenny testing afair |
| 23:59.21 | babilen | Jygga: the "there are some packages from testing involved" implies that you are running a mixed system. correct? |
| 23:59.30 | Jygga | correct |
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| 23:59.56 | centHOGG | hi anybody here use handbrake & debian |
