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| 00:00.56 | babilen | Jygga: I would not do that. Upgrade to testing or use backports. To solve your immediate problem install libmysqlclient15 from testing as well. |
| 00:01.31 | babilen | Jygga: But this is hard to debug without knowing all your pinning-fu and all that. |
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| 00:01.41 | Jygga | that specific server is going to be scrapped next week, i just wanted to test something on that machine ;) |
| 00:01.56 | Jygga | yeah my pinning fu is rather weak tbh |
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| 00:03.37 | babilen | Jygga: I guess that you have to install all the dependencies from squeeze as well. Something like "aptitude install -t testing libmysql++-dev" |
| 00:04.06 | babilen | Jygga: Or apt-get if you used that until now... |
| 00:05.30 | Jygga | it gets rather scary at this point |
| 00:05.30 | Jygga | http://www.pastey.net/127374 |
| 00:05.32 | Jygga | :) |
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| 00:06.24 | babilen | Jygga: OK. don't switch between aptitude and apt-get! the dependency handling is quite different. My bad. sorry... |
| 00:06.54 | babilen | Jygga: Or rather: Do switch, but not like this. |
| 00:06.54 | Jygga | well it proposed a solution instead of laughing at me |
| 00:07.19 | babilen | Jygga: Is the solution acceptable for you? |
| 00:07.27 | Jygga | not really no |
| 00:07.34 | babilen | Jygga: why? |
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| 00:08.35 | babilen | Jygga: Why are you running a mixed system of etch+lenny+squeeze? |
| 00:09.02 | Jygga | if i could answer that to a satisfying degree i wouldnt have this problem now i guess |
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| 00:09.46 | Jygga | at some point we needed a package from lenny testing but didnt want to upgrade the whole production server |
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| 00:10.00 | Jygga | wrong turn to the abyss :) |
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| 00:10.09 | babilen | Jygga: think backports next time. And stay with stable.... |
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| 00:10.28 | moeen | I have an Image which is in use, and by mistake, I moved another file on it. It's still in use, so I know it's not removed yet, but is there any way I can recover it ? |
| 00:11.52 | babilen | Jygga: I am not sure if we can really sort this out here. I would suggest to upgrade the server to lenny first in order to get rid of etch. |
| 00:12.17 | babilen | moeen: How is it still in use? |
| 00:12.32 | Jygga | too much effort on a doomed system right now but thank you for your insight |
| 00:12.34 | moeen | babilen, by Xen |
| 00:12.47 | babilen | Jygga: that might simplify that whole endeavour a bit. |
| 00:13.26 | babilen | moeen: Can you safe it somewhere else? I assume that it is only in the RAM right now... |
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| 00:13.38 | babilen | s/safe/save |
| 00:14.03 | moeen | babilen, it's 40 GB, it shouldn't be in Ram |
| 00:14.04 | laserlife | would anyone be able to point me in the direction of how to wright a shell script that will constantly update the temperature in a scrolling fashion ? |
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| 00:14.55 | babilen | moeen: hmm.. No idea right now. sorry. |
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| 00:16.49 | babilen | laserlife: Have a look at dzen. That might do what you want... Which temperature do you want to update? May I suggest raising the temp in western europe a little (+ 20C) |
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| 00:18.50 | laserlife | babilen: the temperature i want to keep a eye on is /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 00:19.00 | laserlife | as at the moment its at 72c |
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| 00:20.18 | babilen | as i said.. have a look at ----> dzen |
| 00:21.05 | laserlife | ahh... its a headless server |
| 00:21.14 | laserlife | i should have mentioned that |
| 00:21.56 | babilen | laserlife: watch cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature then.. |
| 00:22.15 | goathens | babilen: looking at rsnapshot, why use it instead of just scripting up your own using cron and rsync? is it just more reliable to use the package's scripts? |
| 00:22.59 | laserlife | babilen: perfect ! thankyou so much |
| 00:23.43 | babilen | goathens: It works great for me. I like the hard link approach and the daily, weekly monthly snapshots that are directly accessible... |
| 00:23.56 | babilen | goathens: I guess it is a matter of taste. |
| 00:24.21 | babilen | goathens: And it uses cron and rsync in the background. |
| 00:24.39 | goathens | gotcha, so it's just not wasting your time re-inventing the wheel. |
| 00:25.27 | goathens | do you bother with the whole "mounting the backups twice" thing? RO for users, then a root-accessible RW mount point? |
| 00:25.55 | babilen | goathens: If you want to change something you can start from where the rsnapshot dev stopped. or rdiff-backup dev, or <INSERTOTHERTOOLHERE> devs |
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| 00:26.00 | dean | hello |
| 00:26.08 | goathens | I didn't know it was possible to double-mount stuff. heh. |
| 00:27.35 | goathens | babilen: I just figured it was a trust-like thing. Do I trust the author of X tool to have written something that won't corrupt backups. I probably do- I mean, I have one guy, you, at least vouching for rsnapshot. |
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| 00:27.51 | babilen | goathens: I do not bother with that. The backups of the servers are not user accessible anyway and on my laptop there is just me.. |
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| 00:28.14 | _dean_ | dhclient isn't running automatically anymore |
| 00:28.20 | _dean_ | I have to type "dhclient wlan0" |
| 00:28.51 | _dean_ | Here is my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:28.55 | _dean_ | http://pastebin.com/f69a9572c |
| 00:29.08 | babilen | goathens: There are plenty of backup tools. I like rsnapshot, but you should evaluate your needs first. You might end up using bacula ;-) |
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| 00:33.22 | goathens | I like the simple solution where the snapshots are standard directories. I don't want to have to use some binary dump incremental format- much rather use up the full space in copies of the file. |
| 00:33.40 | goathens | having said that, I don't know how bacula works anyways. |
| 00:35.44 | _dean_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.10 | _dean_ | s/sapshot/snapshot/ |
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| 00:36.10 | goathens | what's a good way to verify that a snapshot doesn't contain "corrupted" data? All I have experince in is crc32 checksums on large media files and md5's for linux ISOs |
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| 00:37.17 | goathens | yeah, the new FS's are all starting to have that stuff built in- but they all seem to have big red letters: UNDER DEVELOPMENT. |
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| 00:41.14 | _dean_ | what features do you need for backups ? |
| 00:42.24 | _dean_ | for verification crc should be sufficient |
| 00:42.58 | goathens | yeah, just verification. |
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| 00:43.22 | goathens | looks like btrfs supports it, too bad it may not be production ready. |
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| 00:45.11 | _dean_ | i think that is the idea of btrfs |
| 00:45.11 | D3RGPS31 | anyone test ubuntu 9.10 with any ati card? |
| 00:46.35 | edju | Whizzing by the screen at boot is the message "mount point udf iso9660 does not exist". Data cds can be mounted. Should I worry about this? |
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| 00:52.31 | rgouveia | hi ... I'm running lenny and I would like to add a location to the weather applet in gnome but I can't seem to find the Locations.xml.in file in /usr/share/libgweather. Any ideas? |
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| 00:53.14 | CodeNinja | oh wtf |
| 00:53.20 | magyar | hi, how do i configure printing in KDE 4.3? |
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| 00:57.27 | rgr | you have to edit xml to add a location still? Streuth. |
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| 00:59.40 | rgouveia | rgr: I can't find another option the applet itself. Maybe it's possible with gnome > 2.22.3 |
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| 01:01.20 | CodeNinja | kicks debian down a flight of stairs :( |
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| 01:02.19 | rgouveia | helps debian getting back on its feet :-) |
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| 01:02.59 | CodeNinja | rgouveia: you better tell debian to give me back my apache2 install :| |
| 01:03.51 | HazardX | where do I set the timezone? |
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| 01:04.01 | rgouveia | CodeNinja: ouch .... what happened? |
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| 01:04.11 | markybob | !timezone |
| 01:04.11 | dpkg | it has been said that timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 01:04.14 | CodeNinja | rgouveia: I have no idea... its still installed.. but dpkg says otherwise |
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| 01:04.21 | HazardX | I forgot how annoying using a bootstrapped system can be >.< |
| 01:04.33 | CodeNinja | uhm |
| 01:04.41 | CodeNinja | without the boostrap, you'd have no os |
| 01:05.00 | HazardX | Yes, but when run from the actual installer, it configures all the obvious things for you |
| 01:05.23 | HazardX | (All the obvious things you're prone to forget about, then bang your head into a wall later trying to fix something else) |
| 01:05.32 | Knorrie- | so it's just great if you know how to setup all of those |
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| 01:05.44 | HazardX | Of course it is. |
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| 01:07.31 | CodeNinja | HazardX: when you're banging your head on a more complex issue, come talk to me.. setting time zone data... is minimal |
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| 01:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, you should say what makes you think so... |
| 01:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's only trivial to change timezone when you know how to do that... and that's actually true for most things :) |
| 01:13.18 | icebrain | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it's just a matter of googling "debian timezone" |
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| 01:13.55 | markybob | give it a break already. this is why there are factoids and this channel. not everyone knows everything |
| 01:14.14 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: no... timezone is really a minimal problem on my list... things like apache2 not being installed when it clearly is are things that concern me |
| 01:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you didn't ask a real question, he did... |
| 01:14.37 | markybob | CodeNinja, do you want a cookie? |
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| 01:15.04 | CodeNinja | markybob: no... I want a cupcake :) |
| 01:15.04 | icebrain | in my case, it's booting a system installed in usb flash drive via pxe xD |
| 01:15.12 | markybob | holds codeninja tightly...he's obviously lacked love |
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| 01:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pxe? |
| 01:15.26 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: indeed, and I really didn't ask a question to begin with, I was just pointing out the fact that I was mad at debian |
| 01:15.27 | HazardX | hides from the flamewar inadvertantly started with forgetfulness :/ (I've been using gentoo too much, and the locations of stuff are different) |
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| 01:15.41 | markybob | CodeNinja, cry, cry away |
| 01:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, whining -> #debian-offtopic, then :) |
| 01:15.48 | Mavs | can someone help me with netboot? |
| 01:15.53 | HazardX | Mavs what with? |
| 01:16.02 | Mavs | well, I set the tftp |
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| 01:16.07 | HazardX | and? |
| 01:16.07 | CodeNinja | :P |
| 01:16.09 | HazardX | dhcp server setup? |
| 01:16.12 | Mavs | and it is working on a virtual machine |
| 01:16.18 | HazardX | Congrats! |
| 01:16.19 | CodeNinja | goes back to destroying the apache install |
| 01:16.22 | Mavs | but not on my real eee pc |
| 01:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean we COULD help you, but only if you ask a real question |
| 01:16.33 | HazardX | does it support PXE boot? |
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| 01:16.39 | CodeNinja | CutMeOwnThroat: so a question like this is not answered. |
| 01:16.41 | CodeNinja | :P |
| 01:16.47 | Mavs | it does |
| 01:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, this was along the lines of |
| 01:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 01:16.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 01:16.52 | Mavs | it gives me an error about |
| 01:17.10 | CodeNinja | lol |
| 01:17.11 | Mavs | an attempt was made to move the file pointer |
| 01:17.24 | Mavs | and goes on |
| 01:17.32 | markybob | CodeNinja, dude...you havent asked a question. |
| 01:17.51 | HazardX | Mavs PXE tells you this? |
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| 01:18.06 | Mavs | the tftpd log does |
| 01:18.09 | CodeNinja | markybob: no... really.. I know :P and I'm not going to because what I'm doing is technically not supported in this channel anyway |
| 01:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the longer you don't, the more I suspect it's a case of PEBKAC, really |
| 01:18.30 | markybob | CodeNinja, jesus fucking christ. then please stop wasting our time |
| 01:18.31 | HazardX | what's the PXE screen on the client say? Its usually *sorta* more indicitive of why its not booting right |
| 01:18.36 | CodeNinja | facedesk |
| 01:18.40 | Mavs | http://pastebay.com/64886 |
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| 01:19.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Is there a way to identify which of my logins is doing what and then log it out? |
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| 01:19.06 | HazardX | Mavs any particular line? |
| 01:19.13 | Mavs | you can see the sucessful part up and the failure down |
| 01:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "log it out" |
| 01:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 01:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | log the use out, or did you mean "log it" |
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| 01:20.08 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - users shows me logged in 6 times, and one of those is remote and I want to kill it, but the login names are all the same. |
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| 01:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'w' should show you which tty each uses |
| 01:20.41 | HazardX | Does debian have the equivilent of (pardon my gentoo!) Gentoo's /etc/conf.d/rc 'RC_DOWN_INTERFACE' setting? |
| 01:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you can check with fuser /dev/pts/XX which process accesses that tty |
| 01:21.04 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: not a valid option for users |
| 01:21.04 | HazardX | (IE, the setting that keeps the init script from completely shutting down a network interface when its taken down) |
| 01:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 01:21.13 | Mavs | HazardX, well the last line is where it ends but it's giving errors since line 109 |
| 01:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
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| 01:21.39 | HazardX | Assuming, that a NFSbooted machine actually takes its interface down? (I'm not sure of that either) |
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| 01:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that actually works for me |
| 01:22.17 | HazardX | Mavs: Your PXE linux config seems to not be giving the PXE machine a config file to load |
| 01:22.22 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I get a list of logins with w but how to know which one is doing what where? |
| 01:22.23 | HazardX | so, its trying all kinds of default names |
| 01:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, it shows in the right-most column... |
| 01:22.52 | Mavs | yes, the interesting thing it gives the same file when virtualbox asks for the same file |
| 01:23.12 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: OK and how to kill that specific login? |
| 01:23.20 | HazardX | Mavs OK to PM? |
| 01:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just told you? |
| 01:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you get the PID with fuser... read above |
| 01:23.38 | Mavs | ok |
| 01:24.00 | HazardX | oops |
| 01:24.01 | jpinx-eeepc | oops - missed that bit :) |
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| 01:24.31 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 01:26.06 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: fuser /dev/pts/tty7 is saying no such file or dir |
| 01:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | because that's wrong |
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| 01:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | w shows you pts/7 or so and there is /dev/pts/7 |
| 01:27.16 | km | will swap be a problem if you run low or out of diskspace? |
| 01:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? swap is normally on a different partition |
| 01:28.16 | jpinx-eeepc | km: I have no swap ;) |
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| 01:30.31 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: the thing I want to do is kill the X session running on the remote eeepc, but keep the broadcast X running which I am using on the local old laptop. |
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| 01:31.53 | km | is system swap space preallocated you selecting to use swap during the install? |
| 01:32.17 | icebrain | km: yes, it creates a dedicated partition on the disk |
| 01:32.32 | jpinx-eeepc | km: normally swap is created in a separate partition |
| 01:33.06 | jpinx-eeepc | km: so filling the data partitions will not affect it |
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| 01:34.07 | Mavs | well, I still need some help on netboot |
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| 01:34.57 | alexbodn | hello friends. how could i activate gnome-shell? the doc recipes didn't work. |
| 01:35.19 | fhd | Hi. Is there any prospect on when one can expect a nvidia-kernel-2.6.30 package in testing? I've looked around and couldn't even find one in experimental. |
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| 01:36.13 | alexbodn | fhd: there are source packages you should build your package for the kernel |
| 01:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nvidia oneliner |
| 01:36.32 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 01:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | who messed up this factoid |
| 01:37.06 | fhd | alexbodn: nvidia-kernel-source I presume? I'd rather not, but if I'll otherwise have to wait a long time for 2.6.30... |
| 01:37.14 | rgr | anyone here managed to install picard from source recently? I keep getting avcodec.h file not found. I do have it installed. |
| 01:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nvidia m-a |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 01:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | fhd ^^^ |
| 01:37.37 | fhd | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you, I'll look into it |
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| 01:38.02 | alexbodn | fhd: get accustomed to this ;) |
| 01:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't the content of nvidia m-a be in nvidia oneliner also? |
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| 01:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... you hardly need a oneliner for the prebuilt packages |
| 01:38.51 | Mavs | well, I still need some help on netboot |
| 01:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what you're doing is really out of the scope of #debian, so you'll probably keep on asking |
| 01:39.32 | Mavs | me? |
| 01:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | as far as I can see |
| 01:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 01:39.43 | fhd | true, I didn't expect a lot of complexity with debian's source packages. anyways, I like to have my presumably tested binaries, just a bit of paranoia |
| 01:39.53 | Mavs | I'm trying to use it to boot debian :P |
| 01:40.02 | fhd | but since there's apparently no prospect on when something prebuilt will arrive, I guess I will build it |
| 01:40.37 | fhd | that kinda solves my issue, thank you :) |
| 01:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he's already gorn |
| 01:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hate it when people do that |
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| 01:42.15 | Xenguy | a lot of people have been doing that recently; ask a question and then /quit -- it's annoying |
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| 01:47.40 | WormFood | they are expecting the answer telepathically |
| 01:48.43 | Mavs | I still need some help on netboot |
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| 01:49.32 | Q-think | wow |
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| 01:50.54 | sepult | the definite answer to sources is lfs lol |
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| 02:01.36 | edju | Just a comment . . . went to a site to dwnload a songbird deb. It said that a deb file is equivalent to a Windows exe file, and after installation, to restart the system. Needless to say, I didn't dwnload anything. |
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| 02:06.34 | damo22 | i wrote a kernel module patch for a new high end soundcard, but i want to package it for module-assistant... so ubuntu/debian folks can compile it without doing an entire kernel rebuild |
| 02:06.43 | damo22 | how do i package it? |
| 02:07.49 | damo22 | its basically one kernel module |
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| 02:10.28 | nsadmin | damo22: take a look at other external modules that have been debianized |
| 02:11.20 | nsadmin | you'll want to see it before and after whoever the debian maint was got to it |
| 02:11.24 | massmc | just gparted a usb hdd to ext3. How do I change the permissions so any user can write |
| 02:11.47 | nsadmin | info coreutils |
| 02:11.54 | nsadmin | !file permissions |
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| 02:12.20 | nsadmin | !grounding |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 02:12.45 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 02:12.46 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read! |
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| 02:13.51 | nsadmin | you see before you sources of info where you can find out about unix-style file permissions... dig in, and if you don't get to them right away, it's no biggie, you'll be getting something out of it |
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| 02:15.14 | Season | irc://irc.oftc.net/ #arch-cn |
| 02:15.38 | Mavs | seems that my 1008ha didn't automatically recognize the network card |
| 02:15.47 | bugjar | oh, but why is pulse audio always so difficult! |
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| 02:16.32 | markybob | pulse audio is retarded |
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| 02:16.41 | markybob | there's no reason for it to even exist |
| 02:16.42 | scb | Hello. I am having a problem with the gtk font rendering. In my KDE apps they look just fine, but with firefox/gtk apps they look just fugly. Here's a picture: http://imagebin.org/69829 --- Any idea of what is causing this issue? |
| 02:16.52 | bugjar | i don't see a note in the manpage to identify what the second column means when doing a `pulseaudio --dump-modules` -- is there a guide? |
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| 02:17.32 | markybob | god of debian...please...kill pulseaudio...please. |
| 02:17.50 | bugjar | and the command mode of the pulse server says there are no modules... |
| 02:17.57 | markybob | bullshit fucking worthless piece of shit |
| 02:18.12 | markybob | which is why debian doesnt install it by default |
| 02:19.02 | Mavs | it does what others can't |
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| 02:19.30 | markybob | it does what retards cant. there's no reason for pulse audio. none |
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| 02:19.58 | bugjar | markybob - well, what would do sound from one machine to the next? in particular, i'm wanting the audio (say, of a festival or mplayer) to go from one machine played on the speakers of the other. |
| 02:20.05 | markybob | another daemon...that's what linux desktops need! yay! |
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| 02:20.33 | markybob | bugjar, uh, seriously? esd can do that. alsa can do that. |
| 02:21.07 | bugjar | markybob, i can't get esd to do anything, seems rather dead-ended, and how does one make alsa xmit its audio to some other box? |
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| 02:21.51 | markybob | bugjar, can you get to the moon? or does that mean that moon landing is impossible? or could it possibly be that you just dont know how? |
| 02:21.52 | bugjar | i was under the impression that esd was dead, anyway. |
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| 02:22.11 | markybob | bugjar, no. not even close |
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| 02:22.54 | bugjar | *sigh* moon landing is impossible with my *wings*.... 'specially as they look like an arm that has a few feathers taped to them, flapping... |
| 02:22.58 | bugjar | snorts |
| 02:23.13 | markybob | yes, that's called ignorance |
| 02:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't seriously believe humans landed on the moon, do you? |
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| 02:23.38 | bugjar | oops.. should have been "*my*", not "*wings*" |
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| 02:23.57 | bugjar | well, then enlighten me, sound daemon... |
| 02:24.11 | bugjar | is too punny for himself. |
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| 02:25.15 | iandoh | hey, i have a issue with my debian server, every 6 days the hard drive led stays flashing, its reading the drive but it never stops |
| 02:25.18 | bugjar | markybob, is there a doc? i mean, pulse *says* it can, tho considering it won't play simple sounds on a single machine, hoping for sounds from a remote is too much |
| 02:25.19 | ruben23 | hi |
| 02:25.26 | iandoh | any idea how i can view a log to see whats doing it |
| 02:25.46 | bugjar | iandoh, when does it stop? do you power it down? |
| 02:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it it a software raid? |
| 02:25.55 | iandoh | i have to reboot it |
| 02:26.00 | bugjar | iandoh, /var/log/messages? or maybe `top` ? |
| 02:26.02 | iandoh | no raid |
| 02:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmesg? |
| 02:26.19 | iandoh | its rebooting now so ill ssh once its done |
| 02:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | not top, but iotop |
| 02:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to reboot? |
| 02:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 02:26.37 | iandoh | yes |
| 02:26.39 | bugjar | CutMeOwnThroat, what's the diff? |
| 02:26.40 | iandoh | because it never stops |
| 02:26.45 | bugjar | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, nm. |
| 02:26.49 | iandoh | it just keeps crunching the hdd over and over, could go for days |
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| 02:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugjar, difference like between a bus and a tank :) |
| 02:27.16 | bugjar | CutMeOwnThroat, actually, top would see what proc might be playing at the time... but i admin i/o would be useful too :) |
| 02:27.33 | bugjar | CutMeOwnThroat, "target" and "killer"? |
| 02:27.44 | iandoh | server:~# iotop |
| 02:27.44 | iandoh | -bash: iotop: command not found |
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| 02:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | high I/O is very often not accompanied with high CPU usage.... (sometimes it is, most often not) |
| 02:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installit |
| 02:27.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 02:28.20 | iandoh | but ive just rebooted it so it wont tell me |
| 02:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | iandoh, you shouldn't reboot, then ask how to find out what's wrong |
| 02:28.34 | iandoh | theres NO way otherwise to see |
| 02:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ex -- actly |
| 02:28.39 | iandoh | since the machine is completely unusable |
| 02:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 02:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | check what hdparm tells you |
| 02:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | should only get unusable if UDMA is switched off |
| 02:29.43 | iandoh | installing |
| 02:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | which happens on ide disks when yhere is an error which ends in a timeout and a reset |
| 02:29.52 | iandoh | its a IDE disk yes |
| 02:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should check the SMART records of that disk if it has them |
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| 02:30.14 | iandoh | hdparm and what option? |
| 02:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | just hdparm /dev/hdYX |
| 02:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdparm -d1 /dev/hdXY to switch DMA back on if it's off |
| 02:30.52 | iandoh | no such dir as YX |
| 02:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a placeholder for whatever YOUR disk is |
| 02:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 02:31.18 | iandoh | i tried HD0 and still says nothing |
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| 02:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's something like /dev/hda |
| 02:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or /dev/sda |
| 02:31.45 | iandoh | http://pastebin.com/m2cee3fdc there |
| 02:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need to pastebin - you see using_dma = 1 (on) and that's as it should be |
| 02:32.16 | iandoh | yes |
| 02:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should check for that when it's unusable |
| 02:32.32 | iandoh | but i cant connect when its unusable |
| 02:32.43 | iandoh | whatever it is thats doing it, is using all the cpu and hdd |
| 02:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 02:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | open the box with the crowbar you'll find inside the box.... |
| 02:33.15 | xhairball | iandoh: What does smartctl say? |
| 02:33.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, bus-time |
| 02:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 02:34.10 | iandoh | http://pastebin.com/m30a03cb1 ouput |
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| 02:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Completed without error 00%? |
| 02:35.52 | iandoh | that doesnt seem right |
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| 02:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 ? |
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| 02:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird that these are all multiples of 100 |
| 02:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | this doesn't look at all like the last time I read smart output |
| 02:37.31 | iandoh | i dont think its the drive fialing since its every 6 days without fail |
| 02:39.17 | iandoh | does the system log everything? |
| 02:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if it can't write to the disk |
| 02:39.36 | iandoh | well it is writing |
| 02:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | else.. look in /var/log/messages as suggested already |
| 02:39.45 | bugjar | :) |
| 02:40.08 | iandoh | taking so long to load |
| 02:40.29 | bugjar | that may not give much help, tho...especially if (as you said) it can't write to the drive.. does it house /var/? |
| 02:40.49 | iandoh | it might write some info to the disk |
| 02:40.56 | iandoh | like the task that started |
| 02:41.05 | iandoh | just taking so long to load so its obviously huge |
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| 02:41.59 | bugjar | argh pulse!! |
| 02:42.11 | iandoh | STILL loading |
| 02:44.00 | iandoh | ok thisi s just awful |
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| 02:44.21 | bugjar | locate another tty and `top` |
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| 02:44.38 | iandoh | cant since its using all HDD again... |
| 02:45.09 | iandoh | maybe thats it, maybe it tries to write to the messages log and it does this |
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| 02:47.34 | iandoh | just opened it, its definitly reading i can hear it |
| 02:48.45 | bugjar | so how do i get the aseqnet to offer up which client/port combination it opened? |
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| 02:54.57 | rumpsy | please help me to host a website through apache... |
| 02:56.45 | jaggz | vncviewer disappears when I switch to fullscreen. If I run with -fullscreen it works but then keyboard keys don't go through (they do if I don't run with -fullscreen) |
| 02:56.50 | bugjar | rumpsy, content goes in to /var/www/ (or whereever the manpage says it goes, that's where most apache configurations put it), run as root /etc/init.d/httpd start and you should good to read with your favorite webbrowser |
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| 02:57.19 | rumpsy | bugjar: i can see my website in localhost |
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| 02:57.37 | bugjar | rumpsy, cool. then you're already done |
| 02:58.05 | rumpsy | bugjar: but its in localhost.. i wan it to pulish to everyone.. |
| 02:58.06 | bugjar | argh alsa! |
| 02:58.24 | bugjar | rumpsy, what do you mean? |
| 02:58.43 | rumpsy | i want everyone to see my website |
| 02:58.47 | rumpsy | How to do that |
| 02:58.57 | bugjar | rumpsy, they cannot? |
| 02:59.30 | LtL | rumpsy: you might need to edit httpd.conf to listen on your wan address and or forward port 80 on your router |
| 02:59.48 | rumpsy | can you please help me how to do that |
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| 03:00.02 | bugjar | rumpsy, you set up DNS to show the name of the server? |
| 03:00.18 | jaggz | ahh.. newer versio nis xvnc4viewer |
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| 03:00.24 | rumpsy | oh.. please in detail way.. |
| 03:00.29 | bugjar | rumpsy, you have rented a name, yes? |
| 03:00.39 | rumpsy | no.. not yet.. |
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| 03:01.04 | bugjar | rumpsy, or did you just want to https://148.231.165.320/home.php ? |
| 03:01.29 | rumpsy | yes just like this |
| 03:02.15 | bugjar | what LtL said... your netwrk is in need of tuning... |
| 03:02.29 | rumpsy | bugjar: how to tune that.. |
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| 03:03.06 | LtL | rumpsy: are you behind a router? pastebin your httpd.conf |
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| 03:03.21 | rumpsy | okay... |
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| 03:03.59 | rumpsy | But nothing is there in http.conf |
| 03:04.07 | rumpsy | I see like empty file |
| 03:04.15 | LtL | rumpsy: httpd.conf |
| 03:04.29 | mark_s | hello, can someone please help me partitioning a disk. I have a Raid 5 Array on a 3ware controller. cfdisk and fdisk show the disk as 4.5 TB which is correct. But I cannot create one large partiton. cfdisk creates the most 100mb and fdisk 2 GB. |
| 03:04.38 | rumpsy | yes exactly.. httpd.conf |
| 03:04.49 | rumpsy | its empty file here |
| 03:05.16 | rumpsy | okay.. even its empty.. i pastebin it for you |
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| 03:05.23 | LtL | rumpsy: some distros use /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default look for that |
| 03:05.43 | rumpsy | yes.. yes i'm debian man |
| 03:05.56 | rumpsy | i having this "default" |
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| 03:07.23 | rumpsy | i did http://debian.pastebin.com/m8bf514c |
| 03:07.44 | LtL | rumpsy: pastebin ls -R /etc/apache2/ i havent setup a debian apache in a long time |
| 03:07.45 | bugjar | argh alsa! |
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| 03:08.45 | rumpsy | LtL: got that pastebin |
| 03:09.04 | rumpsy | i pasted there "default" |
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| 03:09.56 | LtL | rumpsy: my guess is the allow from line needs to be changed |
| 03:10.08 | bugjar | so where is the physical alsa connection to tie the network in (aseqnet apparently creates a 128:0 connection) to a sound device? |
| 03:10.30 | bugjar | aconnect just doesn't talk about the *sound* part of it |
| 03:10.37 | rumpsy | What changes i have to do |
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| 03:11.55 | bugjar | MIDI, phooey. |
| 03:12.04 | bugjar | if i wantd MIDI, i'd still have my ST |
| 03:12.06 | rumpsy | LtL : are you there |
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| 03:12.49 | LtL | rumpsy: allow from 117.193.97.30 <- your ip |
| 03:13.35 | LtL | rumpsy: you'll need to restart apache |
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| 03:42.19 | hd_chro | hello, everyone |
| 03:42.34 | hd_chro | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.43 | hd_chro | I download the private display driver from ati, but when install go complete, the driver pop up a error "gcc related", I download another old driver for ati again, the error exist however, I restart computer after I installed ati driver with error, the computer enter X-window, it halt |
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| 03:43.57 | somiaj | hd_chro: what error do you get, it will help us try to figure out what advice to give you. Have you tried setting the display driver to 'vesa', this won't take advantage of your videocard, but it should work on all cards. |
| 03:44.11 | hd_chro | after I installed ati driver ignore errro, when computer enter x-window, I stop respone |
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| 03:44.22 | hd_chro | after I installed ati driver ignore errro, when computer enter x-window, It stop respone |
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| 03:46.55 | hd_chro | I use dpkg-reconfigure x-server, it pop up a wizard, but havenot let me configure display mode, so I cannot solution my debian display problem, by the way, my display monitor best resolution is 1366x768 |
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| 03:50.09 | Shockcore | http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/se7520af2/sb/cs-016707.htm |
| 03:50.13 | Shockcore | nice shit |
| 03:50.14 | Shockcore | :P |
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| 03:50.51 | gi1242 | Hi All. Does anyone know how to install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins on debian/sid (amd64)? Looks like it is only available for Lenny. Is there some reason it's depreciated? |
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| 03:51.15 | somiaj | hd_chro: you can modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and set your display modes that way (also are you running lenny or testing/unstable) |
| 03:51.48 | somiaj | hd_chro: also tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log and try to figure out what error is stoping it from running |
| 03:52.55 | somiaj | gi1242: the package could have died for various reasons. Lots of dependencies are version >= X. So you should be able to install the lenny package from packages.debian.org in sid. (though check the dependenceys to make sure0 |
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| 03:54.24 | gi1242 | Thanks somiaj. Unfortunately, I'm having a problem that Google says I need to install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins to solve. |
| 03:54.41 | gi1242 | The problem is that digikam shows all my image sizes as unknown. |
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| 03:55.02 | gi1242 | The digikam website claims this will go away on debian based systems if I install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins. |
| 03:55.20 | gi1242 | I've tried everything else, so now I try to install this. |
| 03:55.21 | somiaj | gi1242: well you made sure you had all the dependencies from the list at packages.debian.org/kdegraphics-kfile-plugins |
| 03:55.57 | somiaj | gi1242: you could also download the src with the debian patches, and then compile it and make it dependent on your version of the libs. |
| 03:55.59 | gi1242 | I don't follow you somiaj |
| 03:56.16 | gi1242 | dependencies of kdegraphics-kfile-plugins? |
| 03:56.26 | gi1242 | meaning all packages kdegraphics-kfile-plugins depends on? |
| 03:56.26 | somiaj | gi1242: isn't that the package you were talking about? |
| 03:56.35 | somiaj | gi1242: correct, goto the webpage: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kdegraphics-kfile-plugins |
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| 03:57.09 | somiaj | gi1242: and look at the package version you want, it will list all the dependencies and such on that webpage |
| 03:57.54 | somiaj | gi1242: though looks like it is dependent on kdelibs 4:3.5.9, if this has updated major versions in sid you may not be able to get that package to work. |
| 03:57.56 | hd_chro | somiaj: thank you log for response, I left to get error log, I will back later |
| 03:58.03 | hd_chro | somiaj: thank you lot for response, I left to get error log, I will back later |
| 03:59.21 | gi1242 | Hmm. I have kdelibs 4:3.5.10 on my system (testing). |
| 03:59.35 | gi1242 | I think I have all the other deps too, but will take me a few more mins to check. |
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| 04:02.04 | somiaj | the kde version shouldn't be a problem, just make sure you have the rest of the debs. But maybe you may not want to use this package or find an alternative since it isn't in debian anymore, and you'll have to maintain its ability to work on your system |
| 04:03.14 | gi1242 | somiaj -- I just checked them all. I have all the deps. |
| 04:03.53 | gi1242 | I'm not sure why the package isn't in debian anymore. It looks like it is needed by digikam. |
| 04:03.55 | gi1242 | :( |
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| 04:04.45 | somiaj | gi1242: looks like it just is dependent on a bunch of libs that are obsolete and so it had to be removed. I just checked the BTS |
| 04:05.23 | gi1242 | Whats BTS? (I'm new to debian -- a longtime Gentoo user who just switched.) |
| 04:05.33 | somiaj | Bug Tracking System |
| 04:05.45 | somiaj | !bts |
| 04:05.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 04:05.52 | gi1242 | I also just looked at he files. They're all KDE3, so I guess it's outdated... |
| 04:06.06 | gi1242 | Thnkas for BTS info |
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| 04:10.27 | gi1242 | I just searched through BTS -- no luck on my digikam bug. I guess I'll follow up with digikam mailing list -- their solution of installing kdegraphics-kfile-plugins is wrong (since that's clearly for KDE3). |
| 04:10.39 | gi1242 | Thanks for your help somiaj |
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| 04:13.16 | LtL | I got rumpsy's web server going but his drupal and sql and mailserver need serious work |
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| 04:15.29 | LtL | it's a debian box, i'm not totally ot :) |
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| 04:19.12 | hd_chro | somiaj: I paste my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log erro to following url http://pastie.org/677707, please check it, thank you |
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| 04:22.52 | somiaj | hd_chro: your file is basically blank. You don't have a video card configured. Its been a while since I've used the debian tools to make a working xorg.conf file but yours is a bunch of blank info |
| 04:23.10 | somiaj | hd_chro: maybe someone else can rember the tools. |
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| 04:23.47 | hd_chro | I used x --configure generate xorg.conf, it isnot work too. |
| 04:23.56 | hd_chro | I used X --configure generate xorg.conf, it isnot work too. |
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| 04:24.15 | somiaj | hd_chro: /msg dpgk xorg config lenny |
| 04:24.30 | somiaj | hd_chro: it looks like a blank xorg.conf file and letting it autodetect is the best method. |
| 04:24.50 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.56 | hd_chro | I will try it |
| 04:25.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.24 | hd_chro | I doesnot remember accurate command, maybe is above X -configure |
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| 04:26.42 | adb | !xorg config lenny |
| 04:26.42 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 04:28.04 | centHOGG | hi, anybody here use handbrake (what version), tia |
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| 04:29.13 | adb | !handbrake |
| 04:29.14 | dpkg | HandBrake is a tool for ripping DVDs and transcoding video into other formats (H.264, XViD, OGG). Packaged for lenny at <debian-multimedia>. http://handbrake.fr/ See also <dvd::rip>, <ogmrip>. |
| 04:29.37 | adb | judd, versions handbrake |
| 04:29.38 | judd | adb: handbrake -- |
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| 04:30.04 | centHOGG | yeah right now I'm using the stable version which seems kinda old |
| 04:30.15 | centHOGG | for xvid |
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| 04:34.04 | nsadmin | centHOGG: handbrake isn't in debian (at least according to judd),,, but if it was (and therefore was on-topic), then it would be you that should be providing the info, not the other way around. basically /msg dpkg ask. but also, what have you done so far, what have you read, what did you do as a result of reading (particular action <--> particular section/paragraph of reading), what was the result, did you expect the result you got, if not, what did you e |
| 04:34.36 | centHOGG | i got it from the dmm library |
| 04:34.42 | Tramp | judd, versions handbrake-cli |
| 04:34.43 | judd | Tramp: handbrake-cli -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1 squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.4 sid-multimedia: 0.9.3+svn20091021-0.0 |
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| 04:35.09 | Tramp | handbrake-gtk left as an exercise for the reader |
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| 04:35.55 | Tramp | centHOGG: /msg dpkg dmm for more information |
| 04:36.05 | nsadmin | ahh, cool, so it is on topic, and so all questions asked apply, as well as those in /msg dpkg ask, and /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 04:36.23 | Tramp | yep |
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| 04:36.41 | Tramp | as well as poll |
| 04:37.06 | nsadmin | translation: don't put all the fukn work on the help :P |
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| 04:40.58 | nsadmin | centHOGG: now if you want to start over on that basis, I'm certain that someone might be around that could help possibly... |
| 04:41.38 | centHOGG | anyone use handbrake here |
| 04:41.51 | nsadmin | !anyone |
| 04:41.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 04:44.37 | nsadmin | previously... I was 25% certain, 25 percent felt someone might be around, 25% thought someone could help and 25% sure that it's possible... |
| 04:44.46 | nsadmin | now I'm not so sure of anything |
| 04:44.47 | hd_chro | ok, I use vesa driver mode 1024x768, it enter x-window successfully now |
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| 04:49.22 | centHOGG | oh well later |
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| 04:50.46 | hd_chro | how can I improve my monitor resolution to best 1366x768, I use gdm "screen resolution" cannot change it, and I installed proprietary ati linux driver, it report gcc related error when install will complete |
| 04:50.55 | nsadmin | well perhaps... more likely (given results we've seen here and now), you probably won't learn how to treat helpers as equals rather than paid help |
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| 04:52.53 | hd_chro | if cannot use private driver, I cannot use high resolution ? |
| 04:53.43 | hd_chro | please give me a tips |
| 04:53.57 | ctmjr | hd_chro: radeon |
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| 04:54.14 | hd_chro | yes, I used radeon private driver |
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| 04:58.59 | nsadmin | hd_chro so building the radeon driver produced an error? |
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| 05:00.39 | hd_chro | My display card is radeon 4350 |
| 05:01.23 | Gokee2 | Hello all, is there any way to find out why asterisk-web-vmail was removed from Debian Lenny? |
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| 05:03.39 | hd_chro | nsadmin: I run .sh driver install package, when it will complete, it pop up shell error, it report "***glic detected **** ./setup.datea/bin/x86_64/setup: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x000001b6a950 |
| 05:04.21 | roe | Gokee2, isn't it rolled into the main package now? |
| 05:04.25 | hd_chro | I try ati driver 9-10 and 9-9, it report the error both |
| 05:04.31 | somiaj | Gokee2: you could check the BTS, that can provide some insite. |
| 05:04.47 | Gokee2 | roe, Is it? How would I go about using it then? |
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| 05:05.41 | hd_chro | and if I install the ati driver and ignore error, when x-window start, it halt and stop response |
| 05:05.49 | Gokee2 | somiaj, I tried clicking the Bug Reports but nothing came up |
| 05:06.33 | hd_chro | I run ati .run driver and .sh |
| 05:06.40 | hd_chro | I run ati .run driver and not .sh |
| 05:06.58 | Titan8990 | hd_chro, from where? |
| 05:07.17 | hd_chro | from console, after I stoped x-window |
| 05:07.28 | somiaj | hd_chro: /msg dpkg ati; /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 05:08.37 | hd_chro | I will try |
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| 05:10.56 | roe | what is the aptitude equivalent to apt-cache policy? I tried aptitude policy, but no dice |
| 05:13.06 | hd_chro | When I run X -configure to generate xorg.conf, X report exception exit, I veiw log I found it is caused by fglrx_drv.so error, so I change directory to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/driver/ and rename fglrx_driv.so, and then I run X -configure successfully, is this driver must have ? |
| 05:13.17 | somiaj | roe: why not just use apt-cache. aptitude using the same basic policy structure. |
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| 05:13.51 | roe | I did, but no reason not to explore the new tools |
| 05:14.40 | hd_chro | due to I rename fglrx_drv.so, if I missed important display driver ? |
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| 05:15.16 | Titan8990 | no, you read the wiki, follow the steps and let module-assistant do everything for you |
| 05:15.17 | somiaj | roe: ahh I thought aptitude was a apt-get replacment with a nice curses frontend, didn't realize it contained some featurs of apt-cache. nice to know. |
| 05:16.19 | roe | aptitude, from what I understand is a feature complete replacement for apt. |
| 05:16.45 | Titan8990 | its a front-end for apt |
| 05:18.19 | roe | Titan8990, there is a front-end but it can also be used exactly as apt is used |
| 05:18.31 | somiaj | roe: I see a 'why' and 'why-not' optoin but doesn't look like it gives what ya want. yea I don't see anything that mimics the 'apt-cache policy' option, though seems with verbosness you may be able to get some of that info from aptitude show |
| 05:18.33 | Titan8990 | from apt man page: "APT is a management system for software packages. For normal day to day package management there are several frontends available, such as aptitude(8) for the command line or synaptic(8) for the X Window System. Some options are only implemented in apt-get(8) though." |
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| 05:19.11 | roe | be that as it may, either that factoid is poorly written or it has nothing to do with my question |
| 05:19.24 | somiaj | I don't use aptitude, but my guess is it doesn't contain an undocumented feature 'policy' |
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| 05:20.52 | roe | that *I* have confirmed, my question was, is there a different syntax to mimic apt-cache policy |
| 05:21.43 | hd_chro | somiaj: dpkg ati and dpkg fglrx doesnot work, do you mean install xserver-xorg-video-ati (use apt-get) ? |
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| 05:22.23 | ctmjr | hd_chro: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 05:22.43 | hd_chro | thank you, I will view it |
| 05:22.57 | d0htem | debian is awesome dont ever leave it! |
| 05:24.31 | somiaj | hd_chro: those are just pointers to lead you to documantation to tell you how to install the correct non-free ati driver you need for your card. |
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| 05:24.53 | Titan8990 | roe, no |
| 05:25.02 | somiaj | hd_chro: xserver-xorg-video-ati is just the 'free' ati driver that may not work well with all ati cards. Figure out what card you have and get the correct kernel module/xorg driver |
| 05:25.32 | hd_chro | somiaj: ok, thanks, I will read it |
| 05:25.59 | hd_chro | somiaj: thank for remind |
| 05:26.18 | Gokee2 | roe, I search all around for that one day when thinking about switching to aptitude but never found anything, let me know if you do. |
| 05:26.33 | Gokee2 | ~s/search/searched/ |
| 05:26.48 | Supaplex | what exactly is ecc mode in memtest86+ do when it's on? and off? |
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| 05:29.12 | dserban_ | hmm, what gnome package do I install to rip cd's? |
| 05:29.53 | simonrvn | i like grip |
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| 05:30.52 | dserban_ | grip isn't available in sid? |
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| 05:31.02 | simonrvn | got removed :/ |
| 05:31.08 | dserban_ | why? |
| 05:31.12 | xhairball | I like abcde |
| 05:31.30 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 05:32.21 | simonrvn | i could hazard a guess, but some of them aren't family-oriented :P |
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| 05:33.04 | mhymn | i prefer using mplayer + lame or oggenc |
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| 05:34.07 | roe | mplayer doesn't rip cds |
| 05:34.12 | roe | mencoder on the other hand... |
| 05:34.27 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 05:34.31 | mhymn | yes it does |
| 05:34.35 | xhairball | mencoder isn't included in Debian though. |
| 05:34.39 | somiaj | cdparanoia use to be a nice one or cdda2wave, then convert the resulting wave. Though in most cases I found the extra time to get a rip from cdparanoia not worth the result. |
| 05:34.53 | simonrvn | wav* |
| 05:35.01 | somiaj | yea wav forget the e... |
| 05:35.34 | simonrvn | otherwise you get a 'package not found' error =;) |
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| 05:37.46 | mhymn | roe: and here someone complains that mencoder doesn't do the job while mplayer actualy does! --> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2003-March/031519.html |
| 05:37.48 | dserban_ | asunder seems cool |
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| 05:39.58 | somiaj | though seems a bit outdated, but so is mplayer. |
| 05:40.32 | roe | what is 'outdated' about mplayer? |
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| 05:43.28 | alsd | hi there |
| 05:43.31 | racecar56 | hi |
| 05:43.52 | racecar56 | my computer froze up out of random, why did that happen? |
| 05:44.12 | mhymn | you know what you did |
| 05:44.14 | simonrvn | my crystall ball broke, i couldn't tell you |
| 05:44.23 | arussel | racecar56: it's too cold |
| 05:44.27 | racecar56 | it froze up, with no screen signal, when i plugged in the keyboard etc. they wouldn't power on |
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| 05:44.42 | alsd | im having trouble with grub (legacy) here, on debian lenny : moved the /boot partition from one hard disk to another, re-ran grub "setup (hd0)", but it locks with error 2 at stage1.5 at boot time |
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| 05:44.52 | simonrvn | crystal* |
| 05:44.55 | racecar56 | arussel: O_o really? |
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| 05:45.19 | racecar56 | if needed i can provide more information about the computer |
| 05:45.36 | alsd | besides, running "setup (hd0,1)" which is the /boot partition (ext2), tells me the grub "embed" command fails |
| 05:45.46 | arussel | no just put a blanket on it for an hour, it should solve the problem |
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| 05:47.06 | racecar56 | ok seriously, what is the problem with it? it didn't freeze in an ice cube O_o |
| 05:48.26 | roe | racecar56, my car won't start, do you know why? |
| 05:48.29 | simonrvn | you *need* to provide more info |
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| 05:50.00 | racecar56 | it is running debian lenny, and it froze giving no VGA signal and USB devices plugged into it (keyboard etc) didn't function |
| 05:50.24 | racecar56 | it may have hibernated (and failed) due to being idle so long |
| 05:50.33 | racecar56 | i don't think that is the case though |
| 05:51.05 | simonrvn | can you see anything in the system logs? right around the time it locked up. |
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| 05:52.19 | racecar56 | what system logs (sorry if i sound like a noob) |
| 05:53.08 | simonrvn | (/var/log) messages syslog kern.log etc. |
| 05:53.48 | simonrvn | (and yes you sound like a newbie ;) |
| 05:53.59 | racecar56 | ok will check now |
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| 05:59.52 | hd_chro | thank you , I use method 1 install ati non-free driver, it worked now |
| 05:59.57 | hd_chro | thank you very much |
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| 06:00.18 | nsadmin | oh cool, it's good you succeeded |
| 06:00.25 | hd_chro | thanks |
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| 06:01.07 | nsadmin | if you got a few extra pieces of CLI experience, so much the better |
| 06:01.34 | Gokee2 | Ok, so I ran a update on debian squeeze and now I notice nvidia-glx conflicts with xorg and as such has been uninstalled! I better not restart eh.... Anyone have any idea on whats wrong? |
| 06:02.09 | nsadmin | yep... you ran the update first, and asked questions later' |
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| 06:03.15 | nsadmin | see if you have packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:03.55 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Lots |
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| 06:05.46 | nsadmin | maybe the nvidia-glx and older xorg is among those |
| 06:06.29 | nsadmin | if I were you I'd shut x down and work exclusively in console mode while you deal with this |
| 06:07.04 | nsadmin | maybe other supporting packages are in there too |
| 06:07.27 | nsadmin | on the other hand, maybe you could try apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 06:07.47 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Hmm, I have a buncha programs open atm I don't really feel like closing. I might wait a while hoping the power does not go out (its windy outside :(! ) and hope the whole thing gets fixed |
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| 06:08.08 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, apt-get install nvidia-glx wants to remove xorg |
| 06:08.29 | nsadmin | hmm, so it's evidently not been updated |
| 06:08.34 | Gokee2 | Looks like its been reported http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549869 |
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| 06:08.47 | nsadmin | good to know |
| 06:09.01 | nsadmin | better to have known before :) |
| 06:09.18 | nsadmin | we've all been there |
| 06:10.16 | racecar56 | i think i found something funny in kern.log about my crash... it has to do with ICH4 quirks |
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| 06:10.33 | roe | !pastebin |
| 06:10.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 06:11.12 | racecar56 | wait a sec im gonna pastebin |
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| 06:11.43 | Gokee2 | I should *really* take a better look at updates... Ah well I don't plan on restarting anytime soon anyway |
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| 06:17.55 | racecar56 | http://pastebin.com/fb8e260c ahh finally i got it pastebinned |
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| 06:18.13 | racecar56 | it's just a snip so it won't contain everything |
| 06:21.53 | racecar56 | is that snip from kern.log enough information? |
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| 06:51.24 | smacnay | to *try* and recover deleted file from a large external hd (etx2) - I have used e2undel but I think I need a very large drive to write to. I did try debugfs but it did not recover all of what I deleted. Just very recent files |
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| 07:21.09 | valdyn | Gokee2: that "problem" is fixed in sid, and you can fix it with sid packages or by downgrading |
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| 08:02.55 | nar | Question about becoming a debian mirror... The debian instructions explicitly say don't use "wget" to download the mirror. However, following most tutorials, they use "apt-mirror" to mirror. Apt-mirror appears to use "wget" instead of "rsync". Is this still a bad idea? |
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| 08:09.02 | nsadmin | so it's a wrapper |
| 08:09.09 | somiaj | nar: I'd say that though apt-mirror is using wget to grab the files, it is doing more than just 'wget' the files, it is including all the configuration of the files you grab for your mirror...I'd just check out the apt-mirror docs some more. |
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| 08:09.39 | nsadmin | you say apt-mirror and some debian guy or gal controls the content of that wrapper |
| 08:10.07 | Internat | how does one make a response file for a package? |
| 08:10.08 | somiaj | and it allows you to configure which parts of the sources you are using you want to mirror |
| 08:10.30 | rumpsy | !seen LtL |
| 08:10.30 | dpkg | ltl is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 3h 55m 1s, last said: 'it's a debian box, i'm not totally ot :)'. |
| 08:11.30 | nsadmin | and it probably does so in such a way that an apt-mirror command line makes sense in that context, but the underlying wgets or rsyncs or whatever, are numerous and looped and complex |
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| 08:12.15 | nsadmin | rumpsy: he probbly said that about your debian box |
| 08:12.37 | nar | thanks nsadmin |
| 08:12.37 | rumpsy | Can you help me apache conf.. |
| 08:12.48 | rumpsy | dpkg nar |
| 08:12.48 | dpkg | rumpsy: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:12.54 | nar | dpkh? |
| 08:12.56 | nar | dpkg? |
| 08:13.02 | nar | instead of apt-mirror? |
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| 08:13.32 | liable | dpkg: what are you? |
| 08:13.32 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 08:14.02 | nar | dpkg: thank you. |
| 08:14.03 | dpkg | no problem, nar |
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| 08:16.32 | Dassu | anybody else getting: " Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_store_get_value: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store)' failed " when starting gnome-keybinding-properities |
| 08:16.49 | Dassu | on testing |
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| 08:18.06 | Dassu | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591392 <- seems to be this one |
| 08:18.58 | nsadmin | would there be a corr. debian bug in the debian bts? |
| 08:20.44 | Dassu | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg709043.html I found this one |
| 08:20.49 | nsadmin | seems like the tree might have got corrupted |
| 08:22.33 | nsadmin | if you figure out why VALID_ITER "failed" you may or may not discover the tree got screwed up |
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| 08:23.29 | somiaj | rumpsy: I'd consult apache people for apache.conf issues. |
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| 08:23.40 | nsadmin | in any case you'll be finding out major clues as to why it |
| 08:23.46 | nsadmin | is throwing that error |
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| 08:24.54 | nsadmin | ahh, so the assertion is failing because VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store) is returning 0 |
| 08:25.12 | nsadmin | (by definition of the ASSERT macro) |
| 08:25.47 | nsadmin | so it thinks iter is not valid |
| 08:25.56 | nsadmin | find out how it knows that |
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| 08:35.37 | PATRI0T | q |
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| 08:37.10 | fredl | what a comedy of errors; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545032 |
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| 08:37.44 | nsadmin | thinks comedy is funny! |
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| 08:41.44 | fredl | ROTFL, Michael Biebl does not have a small list of pkg's to take care of. |
| 08:41.49 | rumpsy | bye |
| 08:42.04 | fredl | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=biebl@debian.org |
| 08:42.08 | liable | off you go then.. |
| 08:43.46 | fredl | dbus, hal, gnome, consolekit, avahi... that's a tricky pile to be in charge of. |
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| 08:54.49 | KrzaQ | I hope this is the right place to ask this question. I installed truecrypt from the ubuntu package, created a volume and mounted it. So far everything worked. Then I decided to remount it in a different folder. I received an error message "Error: device-mapper: create ioctl failed: Device or resource busy". |
| 08:54.54 | KrzaQ | Upon further googling I found out that some peple managed to fix it by using "cryptsetup -v remove /dev/mapper/name", but I'm getting "Command failed: Device busy" and googling that doesn't help me... |
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| 09:00.04 | massmc_ | hello. I have a external usb ntfs drive that wont mount.. how can i fix this |
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| 09:01.16 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys i have bind9 running on my debian machine how i can make entry's that i can do something.test.lan that redirect to a ip adres |
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| 09:01.50 | KrzaQ | ChanServ: /etc/hosts - edit it. |
| 09:01.52 | KrzaQ | hm |
| 09:02.03 | KrzaQ | Codtv`Yuc* |
| 09:02.54 | Codtv`Yuc | hmm i'm now installing another linux machine so a moment i will test it |
| 09:05.45 | Codtv`Yuc | krzaq is it poseble to create a forward lookup zone and reverse lookup zone |
| 09:05.52 | Codtv`Yuc | or does bind9 not work that way |
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| 09:06.00 | KrzaQ | No idea |
| 09:06.07 | Codtv`Yuc | okee |
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| 09:10.33 | KrzaQ | What is kdmflush? I can't kill this process |
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| 09:11.41 | hackemate | hello |
| 09:11.58 | hackemate | i just installed debian stable, and used module-assistant for install nvidia driver |
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| 09:12.08 | hackemate | i got it, but i dont see the nvidia logo when start X |
| 09:12.20 | hackemate | i modified the driver section on Device to: nvidia |
| 09:12.27 | hackemate | am i missing one step? |
| 09:13.17 | hackemate | also i dont find the menu of nvidia settings |
| 09:13.22 | OpenTokix | hackemate: did you modprobe nvidia ? |
| 09:13.32 | OpenTokix | ie. inserted the module into the running kernel |
| 09:13.41 | hackemate | it returns nothing |
| 09:13.49 | hackemate | so is not properly installed? |
| 09:13.52 | OpenTokix | lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 09:14.14 | hackemate | (2 lines that i wont flood) agpgart 28808 2 nvidia,via_agp |
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| 09:14.28 | OpenTokix | you did modprobe just now? |
| 09:14.34 | hackemate | yes |
| 09:14.36 | hackemate | after the lsmod |
| 09:14.44 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 09:14.48 | OpenTokix | try restarting X now |
| 09:15.03 | hackemate | ctrl+alt+backspace is enough, or better if restart gdm? |
| 09:15.09 | OpenTokix | same thing |
| 09:15.11 | hackemate | ok |
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| 09:16.07 | hackemate | re, modprobe is still quiet |
| 09:16.14 | OpenTokix | yes, it should |
| 09:16.18 | OpenTokix | but do you get graphics? |
| 09:16.41 | OpenTokix | log in as a user, open terminal and issue: glxinfo |grep "vendor string" |
| 09:16.42 | hackemate | well i have graphics, but i cant see the menu for configurate dualview |
| 09:17.01 | hackemate | glxinfo not command |
| 09:17.02 | hackemate | hm |
| 09:17.19 | OpenTokix | you havent installed glx then, did you do m-a auto-install nvidia ? |
| 09:17.26 | OpenTokix | and do you have non-free repos? |
| 09:17.29 | hackemate | yes, i used m-a a-i nvidia |
| 09:17.38 | hackemate | oh, i dont have those non-free repos |
| 09:17.40 | hackemate | just contrib |
| 09:18.10 | OpenTokix | if you want, just add non-free at the end of the deb-line |
| 09:18.53 | hackemate | do you mena deb-src ? |
| 09:19.01 | hackemate | mean* |
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| 09:19.09 | OpenTokix | no |
| 09:19.09 | OpenTokix | deb |
| 09:19.22 | OpenTokix | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 09:19.25 | OpenTokix | thats mine |
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| 09:20.30 | hackemate | nvidia-glx ya está en su versión más reciente. <means nvidia-glx is already installed> |
| 09:20.45 | hackemate | --reinstall? |
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| 09:22.15 | hackemate | oh, i was missing mesa-utils package |
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| 09:22.44 | hackemate | server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
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| 09:28.46 | hackemate | i found it in package nvidia-xconfig |
| 09:28.52 | hackemate | thanks, OpenTokix, you gave me some clues |
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| 09:32.11 | sixfish | good day guys |
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| 09:32.40 | Zitter | hi, any hint on this: http://pastebin.com/m73de696a ? |
| 09:32.48 | massmc2 | hi, lame codec does not extst in the lenny repo? i need this for audacity.. any help? |
| 09:33.08 | babilen | massmc2: Try debian-multimedia |
| 09:33.54 | massmc2 | babilen, how do i get there lol |
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| 09:34.52 | massmc2 | oh yea |
| 09:34.54 | massmc2 | cheers |
| 09:34.57 | babilen | massmc2: either: (i) google debian-multimedia or (ii) debian-multimedia.org |
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| 09:37.08 | babilen | Zitter: installing the kernel headers might help... |
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| 09:37.31 | Zitter | i've installed zlib1g-dev |
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| 09:38.41 | sixfish | has anyone tried aircrack-ng on debian |
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| 09:39.59 | liable | nope, noone has ever tried it. |
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| 09:42.24 | sixfish | :) ok |
| 09:43.03 | sixfish | liable do you know if debian 5.0 already has RTL8187L preinstalled |
| 09:43.28 | liable | is that an ethernet chip? |
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| 09:43.52 | liable | i vaguely recall someone having problems with a similar looking model to that |
| 09:44.42 | liable | if its the model after the 8160, i doubt it would work in stable |
| 09:45.40 | rburn | good morning, i am having trouble to build the kvm-source module in lenny with 2.6.30. apparently it's this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=531829. anyone has a workaround? |
| 09:45.40 | sixfish | ah no |
| 09:45.43 | sixfish | its a wireless card |
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| 09:46.41 | liable | rtl is realteck innit? i was thinking of ralink 8160, so i'm not sure actually |
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| 09:48.53 | sixfish | yeah |
| 09:49.02 | sixfish | Alfa AWUS036H |
| 09:49.06 | sixfish | this is the card and model |
| 09:49.37 | liable | check linuxwireless.org |
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| 09:50.29 | sixfish | ok |
| 09:50.45 | nsadmin | is it usb? or pci? or on the mobo? |
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| 09:53.37 | sixfish | usb |
| 09:53.38 | giggsey | I'm getting "-bash: start_pipeline: pgrp pipe: Too many open files in system" when trying to do anything on my system. Any ideas? |
| 09:53.44 | sixfish | yeah its a usb adapter |
| 09:53.50 | sixfish | i used to have it before its really sweet, good chipset |
| 09:53.58 | sixfish | i think |
| 09:53.58 | sixfish | hah |
| 09:54.03 | sixfish | i just ordered one |
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| 09:55.34 | sixfish | well http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB sure doesnt have it |
| 09:55.42 | sixfish | not added there or mentioned |
| 09:55.54 | Supaplex | giggsey: unless you know what to exit, you might have to logout completely, or even reboot. |
| 09:56.00 | giggsey | I got into root fine |
| 09:56.16 | giggsey | for some reason I have 2k commands running as this user |
| 09:56.33 | giggsey | Is it possible to see where a PID is running from? (including string args?) |
| 09:57.07 | liable | in proc |
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| 09:59.43 | sixfish | liable, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 09:59.50 | sixfish | liable, def have a driver for it :) |
| 09:59.52 | liable | well, the string anyway, pstree maybe for giving you some idea whats happened |
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| 10:00.06 | sixfish | oh Debian 3.1 driver (kernel 2.6.13) |
| 10:00.07 | liable | sixfish: sweet |
| 10:00.13 | sixfish | liable, what is this Debian 3.1 driver (kernel 2.6.13) |
| 10:00.19 | sixfish | 3.1? |
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| 10:00.30 | giggsey | Thanks Supaplex & liable |
| 10:00.38 | liable | thats fine, should still work, unless they havent ported it over to the new stack |
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| 10:00.54 | sixfish | i see |
| 10:01.02 | sixfish | but that drive would still work on debian 5.0 ? |
| 10:01.04 | Supaplex | giggsey: ps auxww and maybe killall -u username |
| 10:01.18 | giggsey | I've done that |
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| 10:06.23 | SparFux | Hi all. |
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| 10:06.47 | sixfish | hey SparFux |
| 10:07.11 | hackemate | hello, now i have another issue: when i go to see my harddisks, i cant mount them because i have no privileges, but i already see the vols |
| 10:07.16 | hackemate | should i add them to fstab? |
| 10:07.35 | SparFux | hackemate: yes, this way you can do this. |
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| 10:07.54 | SparFux | hackemate: there is an option for fstab which will make user able to mountn it. see man mount. |
| 10:08.06 | hackemate | oh, nice |
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| 10:08.15 | SparFux | hackemate: see "The non-superuser mounts." |
| 10:08.46 | hackemate | that's the way for mount usb sticks? |
| 10:08.50 | SparFux | The option for fstab is a mount option and it is option "user" |
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| 10:09.19 | SparFux | hackemate: I do that as root, but "user" is a way. On the other hand, I think the nicest thing would be an auto-mount. |
| 10:09.20 | valdyn | hackemate: nah |
| 10:09.40 | valdyn | hackemate: if you are using gnome on lenny, just add yourself to the plugdev group |
| 10:09.40 | hackemate | an auto-mount could be great, indeed |
| 10:09.46 | MoDaX | hackemate: all major desktop environments do this via hal |
| 10:10.01 | hackemate | valdyn, your way is interesting |
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| 10:14.04 | Zitter | if I install a new kernel with parameter --revision=myCustomKernel, after rebooting I have to see "myCustomKernel" flag from uname -a, right? |
| 10:14.35 | Zitter | (of course before rebooting dpkg -i of my new kernel) |
| 10:14.41 | SparFux | I wannt to use ifupdown with guessnet for automatic configuration of my internet access. The one config is to user pppoe via ifup device "alice-dsl" which in turn uses eth0 and the other is to use eth0 as LAN device and have a default gateway. I do this by mapping eth0 with guessnet and for the pppoe part, my eth0 device for that does "up ifup alice-dsl" in /etc/network/interfaces. Is this proper way? |
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| 10:17.13 | nsadmin | SparFux: wait, how many eths do you have? |
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| 10:19.15 | hackemate | valdyn, i used your option but i am unable to mount them yet, should i modify any config file or restart x? |
| 10:19.26 | hackemate | (im also reading autofs) |
| 10:19.33 | valdyn | hackemate: you need to log out and back in |
| 10:19.41 | valdyn | hackemate: autofs is not for you |
| 10:19.41 | hackemate | oh, thanks |
| 10:19.42 | nsadmin | hackemate if you run groups |
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| 10:19.52 | hackemate | im in, nsadmin |
| 10:20.07 | hackemate | i go relog |
| 10:20.59 | SparFux | nsadmin: I have eth0 and eth1 |
| 10:21.25 | nsadmin | and on this box with eth0 and eth1 you want to do what? make a gateway? |
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| 10:22.35 | SparFux | nsadmin: not exactly. I want to use it at two places, one with direct internet pppoe access with alice-dsl pppoe device over eth0. and one with internet access via LAN on eth0 and using a gateway on this LAN as default gateway to access internet. |
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| 10:23.48 | SparFux | nsadmin :I have a working setup which does not start at boot time unfortunately and it uses "recursive" call of ifup: |
| 10:24.03 | nsadmin | and eth1 will be used in both cases? |
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| 10:25.01 | SparFux | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/ddc86270 |
| 10:25.14 | SparFux | nsadmin: no, in both cases I use eth0. |
| 10:25.44 | SparFux | nsadmin: I just want to use one network card for internet access and it should automatically configure for the proper installation. This is done by the test lines. |
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| 10:26.06 | SparFux | btw, I can now determine my MAC in pppoe installation and add it to test peer address 192.168.1.1 |
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| 10:26.43 | hackemate | http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1265/sinnombre.jpg |
| 10:26.48 | SparFux | My first question is wether my setup in pastebin http://pastebin.com/ddc86270 is the proper way to do it. It works, but the recursive call to ifup seems strange. |
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| 10:28.50 | SparFux | He, funny. How can I find the MAC address of ip 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 10:29.00 | SparFux | of a machine in the LAN? |
| 10:29.15 | Xed | Can someone help me troubleshoot an internet issue please? |
| 10:29.20 | Xed | No program seems to be connecting, but ping is working. |
| 10:29.58 | SparFux | Anyway, such an automatic network setup is really really cool. I like the idea of guessnet and espacially the idea to sit on top of debian's ifupdown mechanism. |
| 10:29.59 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.40 | kband | Xed: are you pinging an ip address (192.168.1.1) or a hostname (yahoo.com)? |
| 10:30.54 | Xed | hostname |
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| 10:31.40 | hackemate | guys, gnome-mount mounts them automaticly, or i need execute it every session? |
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| 10:32.17 | valdyn | hackemate: you just doubleclick on the disk icon to mount it |
| 10:32.30 | hackemate | it says i have no privileges as i pasted in that pic |
| 10:32.42 | hackemate | i have reloged already, i dont know if i did something wrong, but it looks quite simple |
| 10:32.44 | valdyn | hackemate: you need to be member of the plugdev group |
| 10:32.44 | hackemate | even for me |
| 10:32.52 | hackemate | i added myself |
| 10:33.05 | hackemate | ~$ id |
| 10:33.06 | hackemate | uid=1000(hackemate) gid=1000(hackemate) grupos=46(plugdev),1000(hackemate) |
| 10:33.06 | hackemate | right? |
| 10:33.18 | valdyn | hackemate: ok, the "problem" is that parts of gnome persist across reboots |
| 10:33.21 | SparFux | aha, I may be able to use "arp" to get the mac. |
| 10:33.23 | valdyn | hackemate: yes, if you are on debian lenny |
| 10:33.32 | hackemate | yes, i am on debian lenny with gnome |
| 10:33.36 | valdyn | hackemate: i meant "across relogins" |
| 10:33.41 | Xed | Also, might be related but I'm unable to change the system time |
| 10:33.48 | hackemate | restart machine could help? |
| 10:33.55 | valdyn | hackemate: if you can, just reboot, thats simple enough |
| 10:34.01 | hackemate | there i go |
| 10:34.01 | valdyn | hackemate: while not technically required |
| 10:34.11 | hackemate | well, will be an experience for me |
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| 10:37.05 | hackemate | :/ |
| 10:37.38 | SparFux | I have to relog in to test my automatic network setup, hold on :-) |
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| 10:50.09 | eshat | hi all,... i would like to use emacs as a reader instead of less, because of the syntax highlighting, but is there a paramater to to open a file readonly, so that I don't change something by mistake ? |
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| 10:52.18 | jamesstanley | I rent a debian VPS, and when I run "ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org", it tells me the time is 28700 seconds away, but it doesn't correct the time |
| 10:52.26 | jamesstanley | How do you make ntpdate correct the time instead of just saying how wrong it is? |
| 10:52.36 | eshat | or maybe there is a "less" like program, that hsa syntax highlighting |
| 10:52.39 | popix | eshat, why not less or more command? |
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| 10:52.45 | somiaj | eshat: look in 'man emacs' for 'read-only' or ask #emacs, they will know if there is a flag you can send emacs so it opens read only |
| 10:53.06 | eshat | popix: no syntax highlighting, |
| 10:53.09 | popix | ok ok |
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| 10:53.48 | eshat | somiaj: there is a key combination,... but I am looking for a paramter...i ll ask in #emacs |
| 10:53.54 | jamesstanley | eshat: i think the "highlight" program in apt can do syntax highlighting to a terminal |
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| 10:54.13 | popix | try C-x or C-q |
| 10:54.13 | jamesstanley | which you could then pipe to less to have it scrollable |
| 10:54.27 | eshat | jamesstanley: I ll check that |
| 10:54.57 | jamesstanley | it prints in html by default but there is a way to change it |
| 10:55.00 | somiaj | jamesstanley: two options. 1) is the user your running that command has no primisions to change the clock. If you are running that as root and getting the same error then it is because it is a VPS or a virtual image. |
| 10:55.10 | jamesstanley | somiaj: i am running as root |
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| 10:55.20 | jamesstanley | there is no error |
| 10:55.23 | jamesstanley | it just doesn't change the time |
| 10:55.23 | somiaj | jamesstanley: the virtual machine that is running has no control over the clock of the physical machine |
| 10:55.31 | popix | jamesstanley, i always use rdate command, rdate -s ntp0.cam.ac.uk |
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| 10:55.36 | jamesstanley | i don't care about the physical machine, i want the virtual machine clock to be correct |
| 10:55.39 | jamesstanley | popix: i'll try that |
| 10:55.52 | jamesstanley | popix: what is wrong with the ntpdate program? |
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| 10:56.11 | somiaj | jamesstanley: yes but if the virtual machine gets its time from the physical machine you are not at the level of the machine [which is running the virtual images] to change the clock |
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| 10:56.57 | SparFux | re all. Well, this config seems nice to me, though I don't know wether it is "way to go on debian" and why it does not work on boot. It says "eth0" and "eth1" aren't known on bootup, which is caused by dependency based booting and udev position in the sequence, but anyway: |
| 10:56.59 | popix | jamesstanley, I have some problems with ntpdate , is easy for me remember the rdate command just this.. but ntpdate should work |
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| 10:57.05 | jamesstanley | ok |
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| 10:58.12 | popix | ntpdate -u -b ntp0.cam.ac.uk works in my system |
| 10:58.12 | SparFux | This is my ifup config : http://pastebin.com/d1b2e658a |
| 10:58.35 | somiaj | jamesstanley: it appears that your clock is about 8 hours off. It could be a timezone setting. |
| 10:58.55 | jamesstanley | it has the current GMT time wrong as well |
| 10:58.58 | somiaj | jamesstanley: if you change your timezone setting it should alter the 'system time' that it gets from the physical machine to the correct timezone |
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| 10:59.15 | somiaj | do you know what time zone the physical machine is in? |
| 10:59.17 | jamesstanley | changing the timezone didn't change what it thought GMT was |
| 10:59.19 | jamesstanley | it is in Chicago |
| 10:59.24 | jamesstanley | and i have set it to that timezone |
| 10:59.29 | somiaj | isn't that gmt-8? |
| 10:59.42 | jamesstanley | it might be |
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| 11:00.22 | jamesstanley | so should i set it to say the timezone is GMT+8 so that it converts the system time (which is supposed to be in GMT, as far as I know) to actual GMT |
| 11:00.23 | jamesstanley | ? |
| 11:00.33 | somiaj | what I think is going on is the physical machine is set to gmt-8 time. Then your vps is thinking the system time is measured in gmt time, and correcting for the time zone. See if you set your time zone to gmt+0 if it fixes it |
| 11:00.39 | RichiH | ever since upgrading to 2.6.30-2-686 (and other packages, mind), i am unable to disable caps lock & num lock on my thinkpad x31 -- any ideas what might cause this? |
| 11:00.52 | somiaj | to me this sounds like an issue with your VPS provider as they are the ones that will control the system clock that all vps users are using. |
| 11:00.52 | jamesstanley | ok somiaj |
| 11:01.06 | jamesstanley | i'll put it to GMT and see what it says |
| 11:01.21 | jamesstanley | Current default timezone: 'Europe/London' |
| 11:01.21 | jamesstanley | Local time is now: Sat Oct 31 19:00:50 GMT 2009. |
| 11:01.21 | jamesstanley | Universal Time is now: Sat Oct 31 19:00:50 UTC 2009. |
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| 11:01.36 | jamesstanley | but in real life it is 11:00:50 GMT |
| 11:02.22 | mesaGL | RichiH: debian unstable ? i'm running the same kernel, no issues here |
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| 11:03.20 | SparFux | RichiH: This sounds strange. Are you sure the hardware didn't break just after upgrading? Have you booted working kernels after that and they still worked ok for numlock? |
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| 11:04.09 | somiaj | jamesstanley: I'd submit a support ticket to your vps provider. I don't see any reason why a vps should have any control over the physical clock on the machine and it seems to me that it is the physical machine whose clock is set to their local timezone instead of gmt. Can't you tell your vps that the time its given is local and not gmt? |
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| 11:04.44 | jamesstanley | somiaj: I'm sure the debian installer has such an option, but I don't know how to do it from in an already-installed environment |
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| 11:05.02 | jamesstanley | I've peen poking around dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and tzselect but everything assumes the hardware clock is in GMRT |
| 11:05.04 | jamesstanley | *GMT |
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| 11:06.05 | jamesstanley | somiaj: I'm looking in the web-based control panel now. If I don't find anything here then I'll wait until the instant-message support person is on |
| 11:06.15 | jamesstanley | Thanks |
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| 11:07.40 | jorik | jamesstanley: you cant use hwclock to change the hardware clock? |
| 11:08.20 | SparFux | nsadmin: my setup works so far :-D |
| 11:08.28 | jamesstanley | jorik: no I tried that as well it doesn't change the time |
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| 11:09.03 | eeebittin | does anyone know how to get the built in eeepc webcam to work in cheese on a 900HD? |
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| 11:10.28 | eeebittin | got it to work in mplayer but not in cheese :( |
| 11:11.46 | somiaj | jamesstanley: have you tried hwclock --localtime |
| 11:12.00 | somiaj | jamesstanley: that tells the hardware clock that your system clock is set to local time. |
| 11:12.20 | somiaj | jamesstanley: what does 'hwclock --localtime --show' give you? |
| 11:12.42 | RichiH | SparFux: i have not, i just noticed the problem and can't reboot, just now |
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| 11:13.49 | SparFux | RichiH: Hm... |
| 11:14.06 | streuner_ | RichiH: somebody told us about the same problem too... |
| 11:14.07 | SparFux | RichiH: You can't reboot because you do something special? Or the reboot command does not work? |
| 11:14.12 | streuner_ | RichiH: IIRC |
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| 11:14.33 | somiaj | jamesstanley: also looks like hwclock -s could do what you want. What it does is set your system time from the hardware clock, and sets the kernel's timezone to localtime as opposed to UTC |
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| 11:14.55 | streuner_ | RichiH: (numlock doesnt work after upgrade) |
| 11:15.00 | jamesstanley | ok somiaj i'll try it |
| 11:15.32 | jamesstanley | it doesn't appear to have changed anything |
| 11:16.07 | somiaj | jamesstanley: oh well, I am still under the impression its a badly set timezone for the machine running the vps |
| 11:16.21 | jamesstanley | yeah i'm going to ask the company about it |
| 11:16.45 | jamesstanley | what it says for "universal time" is the same as the current hong kong time... |
| 11:17.09 | streuner_ | RichiH: do you have numlockx installed? |
| 11:17.13 | eeebittin | http://paste.debian.net/50383 kernel is 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
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| 11:20.57 | RichiH | SparFux: i am doing stuff that i could not stop |
| 11:21.02 | RichiH | i can reboot now, though |
| 11:21.11 | SparFux | RichiH: ah. |
| 11:21.12 | SparFux | :-) |
| 11:21.21 | RichiH | streuner_: how do i check that? |
| 11:21.25 | RichiH | ok ok ;) |
| 11:21.27 | RichiH | no, it's not |
| 11:21.28 | SparFux | I have to reboot too. And then I am off. |
| 11:21.33 | SparFux | I will be back on later. |
| 11:21.53 | SparFux | I have to track down the non-existant eth0 and eth1 problem on bootup. |
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| 11:23.14 | streuner_ | RichiH: what happens if you install numlockx, does numlock work then? |
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| 11:25.34 | RichiH | streuner_: nope |
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| 11:26.24 | RichiH | streuner_: numlock oes not work on the ttys, not X |
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| 11:28.11 | scorpionim | ruby |
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| 11:32.02 | shaoling- | is someone speaking french here ?? |
| 11:32.35 | streuner_ | !fr |
| 11:32.36 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:32.56 | ^Anonymous | Hello? |
| 11:33.15 | eeebittin | Hello |
| 11:33.16 | streuner_ | shaoling-: many people, but if you have a debian question just please ask in #debian-fr |
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| 11:33.41 | shaoling- | thanks |
| 11:33.55 | ^Anonymous | Hello!? |
| 11:34.19 | nsadmin | Jello |
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| 11:34.30 | ^Anonymous | jello? |
| 11:34.39 | nsadmin | stello. |
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| 11:35.23 | nsadmin | so ask your question already :P I only have so many rhymes... |
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| 11:37.18 | eeebittin | i hope it fixes itself in some update =p |
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| 11:37.51 | dutchfish | eeebittin, are your bugs belong to us ;) |
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| 11:37.56 | eeebittin | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:38.06 | eeebittin | or more gnome actully |
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| 11:41.35 | shad0w | hello guys |
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| 11:42.38 | shad0w | i have this sound controller : 00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 11:43.05 | shad0w | and i have loaded the needed modules with the help of alsa |
| 11:43.31 | shad0w | when i have pcm to 100% sound skips and is choppy |
| 11:45.15 | jelly-home | shad0w: do you also see a dB value next to that 100%? |
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| 11:45.39 | shad0w | yes 12db |
| 11:45.42 | shad0w | gain |
| 11:45.52 | jelly-home | shad0w: well then, get it back to 0dB |
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| 11:46.14 | sohum | is there a way to install msttcorefonts /without/ comic sans? |
| 11:46.18 | shad0w | why is that? |
| 11:46.47 | sohum | I don't like comic sans? |
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| 11:47.24 | shad0w | sorry sohum,the message was for jelly-home |
| 11:47.54 | sohum | shad0w: fair enough |
| 11:48.04 | dutchfish | hi, i stumbled over a bug i kerneltop in squeeze amd64, i have tested so far with stock debian kernel and some of my own, there is only 1 bug in the list version 0.8-2, also lintian errors and violation of debian poilcy, could this be fixed? i think my bug is more general ie the package does not handle systemmaps correctly anymore; thanks |
| 11:48.07 | xand | sohum: you don't have to use it. |
| 11:48.48 | sohum | xand: right, but I'd prefer any content which specifies comic sans to also not show up in it. |
| 11:48.49 | jelly-home | shad0w: dB gain value is correct one to look at; if you're asking _why_ the device is configured to even make +12dB amplifiction available, that's because some media (eg. DVD movies) is mastered with -12dB |
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| 11:49.18 | shad0w | the problem even though remains jelly-home |
| 11:49.46 | jelly-home | shad0w: ok, so now you see it has nothing to do with volume settings |
| 11:50.39 | jelly-home | shad0w: uname -r? |
| 11:50.58 | DeSian | ! debian shop |
| 11:50.59 | dpkg | it has been said that debian shop is available at http://www.df7cb.de/debian/shop/ |
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| 11:51.17 | shad0w | 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 11:51.42 | shad0w | i had the same problem with 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 11:53.09 | jelly-home | shad0w: snd-hda-intel driver has some tunables, you might have to use a specific position_fix= setting |
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| 11:54.06 | jelly-home | shad0w: also, try asking in #alsa |
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| 11:54.43 | shad0w | jelly-home, i dont use snd-hda-intel i use snd-atiixp |
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| 11:56.32 | jelly-home | shad0w: oh, so, different from SB600 chipset then. I've no idea about it. |
| 11:56.43 | shad0w | yes sb400 |
| 11:56.57 | shad0w | ok thnx for your help even though jelly-home |
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| 11:57.23 | sxp | hi: i have got squeeze and i can not give up my wi-fi network. I am using a Ralink rt2860 chip. |
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| 11:58.17 | sohum | xand: hm. ok, fixed it by blacklisting in fonts.conf. thanks anyway! |
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| 11:58.38 | sxp | i can see the module when i make lsmod|grep rt2860sta |
| 11:59.08 | cahoot | sxp: isn't there also a firmware to install? |
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| 11:59.29 | sxp | cahoot: i think that is possible |
| 11:59.47 | sxp | but i do not know how i can do to install the firmware |
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| 12:00.44 | cahoot | aptitude install firmware-ralink? |
| 12:01.19 | dutchfish | shad0w, are you using pulseaudio-esound-compat package? |
| 12:02.13 | sxp | cahoot: it does not work |
| 12:02.32 | hackemate | suddenly, i have no audio, i see a X beside my volume controller, i executed alsaconf but did not fixed it |
| 12:02.51 | shad0w | dutchfish, the only package for pulse i have is libpulse0 |
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| 12:03.20 | sxp | in ubuntu, xubuntu, and winXP my wi-fi network works well, then the problem is with debian |
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| 12:03.31 | cahoot | sxp: 'it doesn't work'? |
| 12:03.31 | dutchfish | shad0w, if you are on debian squeeze you could try install pulseaudio-esound-compat package and then restart system |
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| 12:04.10 | cahoot | sxp: you have the module + firmware in place? |
| 12:04.27 | sxp | cahoot: i do not know |
| 12:04.43 | cahoot | sxp aptitude install firmware-ralink? |
| 12:04.49 | shad0w | dutchfish, ok ill try it and ill be back |
| 12:06.04 | sxp | cahoot: no packages with that name... |
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| 12:06.34 | cahoot | !non-free |
| 12:06.34 | dpkg | well, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:06.41 | sxp | i think i need to make any changes to the sources.list |
| 12:06.42 | cahoot | sxp: ^^ |
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| 12:07.39 | sxp | sorry, but i have 2 problems. 1) my wi-fi problem, 2)the language (my english is bad) |
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| 12:11.07 | sphenxes | I have eeepc with limited hard drive and a debian PC which can act as server. I would like to add several programs to my Sever debian and use it through eeepc as client. my question how can i know that is a program can work both on the sever and client. e.g can i install openoffice on my debian and use it from eeepc, other programs: xchat, gnucash, vym |
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| 12:12.33 | magnet | you can do X forwarding sphenxes, but it requires a good connection between the server & the client |
| 12:12.43 | magnet | (if you want it to be snappy) |
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| 12:13.32 | magnet | but truly, an eeepc has enough diskspace to install those programs locally |
| 12:14.47 | sphenxes | magnet, the problem is not only eeepc, i would like a lot of programs to be installed on my server and use other computers as clients. |
| 12:15.10 | magnet | well, use client/server programs or X forwarding |
| 12:15.19 | superjet_busy | sphenxes: nx or vnc over ssh |
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| 12:16.04 | sphenxes | magnet, superjet_busy thanks |
| 12:16.23 | abrotman | !tell sphenxes about sshx |
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| 12:17.13 | superjet_busy | sphenxes: http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
| 12:17.28 | abrotman | why? |
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| 12:19.11 | lz | hello, do somebody know what is replacement command for pstack in debian? I searched with apt-cache and apt-file and I could not found pstack |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | tell us what it does ? |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | judd: versions pstack |
| 12:20.20 | judd | abrotman: pstack -- etch: 1.2-1 lenny: 1.2-1 sid: 1.2-1 squeeze: 1.2-1 |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | lz: pstack is in debian |
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| 12:21.13 | lz | abrotman, pstack dumps stack of running process |
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| 12:21.36 | abrotman | lz: but it's in debian (so says the bot) |
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| 12:22.34 | lz | ok, found pstack in i386, it is not in amd64 ;( |
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| 12:23.08 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 12:23.09 | kthakore | hi |
| 12:23.27 | aanderse | if i'm using module-assistant to build an nvidia package (version y) but i want to specify that it build an older version (y) how do i tell it to work with the older version? |
| 12:23.32 | kthakore | I am a upstream dev for libsdlperl |
| 12:23.48 | kthakore | our next release will not be back compatible |
| 12:24.11 | mjt | kthakore: you probably want debian-devel or debian-perl on oftc |
| 12:24.12 | kthakore | how will that work on debian? |
| 12:24.24 | kthakore | mjt: my thanks to you sir |
| 12:24.34 | themill | kthakore: or pkg-sdl-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 12:24.39 | abrotman | kthakore: contact the maintainer |
| 12:24.41 | mjt | kthakore: and more importantly... |
| 12:24.45 | mjt | kthakore: what other said ;) |
| 12:24.49 | mjt | others |
| 12:24.50 | kthakore | mjt: thanks |
| 12:25.09 | abrotman | i'm not sure the debian-devel or debian-perl would care as much as the maintainer at this point |
| 12:25.17 | mjt | yeah |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | i'd wager the debian-games people might be more interested |
| 12:25.32 | themill | kthakore: you'll break frozen-bubble!!!1! |
| 12:25.57 | kthakore | themill: frozen bubble will be updated to use new one too |
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| 12:26.02 | kthakore | themill: I am working on it |
| 12:26.06 | themill | :) |
| 12:26.30 | kthakore | themill: but less memleaks and more features and galores of bug fixes |
| 12:26.55 | abrotman | pshaw .. dont' break the games! |
| 12:26.57 | lz | so, any replacement for pstack on amd64 ? |
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| 12:27.21 | kthakore | themill: http://yapgh.blogspot.com/2009/10/beginnings-of-modular-design-for-sdl.html |
| 12:27.33 | kthakore | themill: it explains why we are changing the design |
| 12:27.43 | abrotman | lz: apt-cache search process stack ? |
| 12:27.55 | kthakore | themill: the code for SDL Perl has been dead and roting for 6 years |
| 12:28.05 | kthakore | themill: so there is only so far we can make it go |
| 12:28.28 | themill | kthakore: looks interesting (I've never used the SDL stuff myself though). Have fun with it! |
| 12:28.38 | kthakore | themill: joing #sdl irc.perl.org |
| 12:28.42 | kthakore | themill: I am :) |
| 12:29.00 | abrotman | and fix kyra too? :) |
| 12:29.21 | kthakore | thanks for the info |
| 12:29.26 | kthakore | goes back to hacking |
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| 12:33.42 | yacyac_ | how do i configure a printer which is installed on a windows machin |
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| 12:37.30 | format_c | yacyac_, isn't it the wron channel? or don't I understand your question right? |
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| 12:37.51 | abrotman | yacyac_: configure CUPS |
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| 12:40.30 | yacyac_ | hey abrotman |
| 12:40.33 | yacyac_ | how you doing |
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| 12:40.40 | abrotman | hi |
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| 12:42.38 | rgr | kthakore: in this day and age of high res screens and different window managers it might be nice if f.bubble had mouse support. |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | rgr: send in a patch .. quit being so lazy |
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| 12:43.15 | rgr | ? |
| 12:44.16 | RichiH | wow, it's 1342 and i just slept for an hour... |
| 12:44.46 | RichiH | so, did anyone else ever hear of numlock and capslock being literally locked to on on the ttys, but working normally in X? |
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| 12:45.24 | format_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.25 | abrotman | RichiH: tried unplugging/replugging the kb ? |
| 12:45.42 | jelly-home | RichiH: the lights or the functionality or both? |
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| 12:49.07 | yacyac_ | abrotman, if i configure cups will i able to connect to the printer on windows machin ? |
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| 12:49.30 | abrotman | yacyac_: so i've been told .. i don't owna printer |
| 12:50.04 | yacyac_ | oh |
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| 12:54.04 | RichiH | abrotman: it's a thinkpad x31 |
| 12:54.11 | RichiH | jelly-home: both |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | RichiH: and? :) |
| 12:54.34 | RichiH | fy ;) |
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| 12:55.21 | RichiH | though i could get a usb keyboard and try to unlock caps/num with that |
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| 12:56.06 | abrotman | RichiH: there is a program to manipulate the kb lock keys i thought |
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| 12:59.07 | elmovato | Yellow |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | banana |
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| 13:00.33 | kthakore | oh another question |
| 13:00.36 | elmovato | abrotman: :) |
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| 13:00.49 | abrotman | kthakore: only one per day ... |
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| 13:01.18 | kthakore | I am switching to debian lenny and getting a new laptop. Are there statistics or info on which laptops work best with debian ? |
| 13:01.22 | kthakore | abrotman: :P |
| 13:01.32 | RichiH | .84 |
| 13:01.43 | themill | !laptop |
| 13:01.43 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 13:01.45 | abrotman | kthakore: linux-laptop.net |
| 13:01.46 | kthakore | yay! |
| 13:01.57 | kthakore | !thinkpad |
| 13:01.57 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:02.03 | elmovato | i bought an Acer thinking on debian, but i failed to make it work with smart ACPI |
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| 13:02.27 | kthakore | thanks guys |
| 13:02.29 | kthakore | and gals |
| 13:02.31 | kthakore | :P |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | kthakore: when the time comes .. you may need to /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 13:02.46 | elmovato | Thinkpads are overrated |
| 13:02.56 | abrotman | goes to buy a new thinkpad |
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| 13:04.11 | kthakore | abrotman: in you kmuto custom iso for the ext4 support does it still have the curroupting bug? |
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| 13:04.39 | abrotman | kthakore: uhm, wasn't that just fixed in the last -rc from kernel.org ? |
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| 13:05.06 | kthakore | abrotman: not sure thats why I am asking |
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| 13:05.41 | kthakore | elmovato: than what do you recommend? |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | kthakore: i'm really not sure .. i'd have to read the kernel chagnelogs and and then compare it to the one kmuto is using |
| 13:06.11 | kthakore | abrotman: ok well I am going for the WPA custom anyway |
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| 13:07.32 | liable | kthakore: let me know if it works. those were my patches that I gave up temporarily trying to get into d-i |
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| 13:07.52 | elmovato | kthakore: I would love to use debian, but... I always (or it) had problems with smart batteries and Nvidia cards, after sleep or hibernation it crashes horribly, forcing you to cold restart. |
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| 13:10.01 | et | can i somehow find out why packages in sid aren't "recent"? like the amd architecture for http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-amd64 |
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| 13:10.16 | kthakore | elmovato: I really want to use one of the stable distros. I would like to have a good graphics (as I am hacking a lot of game development stuff) nvidia seems the best and worst on linux |
| 13:10.36 | kthakore | elmovato: what did you end up using for your nvidia card? |
| 13:11.03 | hackemate | hello, i have problems running a game in wine (it was working until this time i reinstalled) http://pastebin.com/m5d7ac0b2 |
| 13:11.14 | hackemate | it says NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (permission denied). |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | kthakore: if you want the least hassle .. probably get something with an intel card |
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| 13:11.45 | jelly-home | hackemate: ls -ld /dev/nvidiactl ... does your user have permission to access that device? |
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| 13:12.12 | elmovato | kthakore: I use the Aspire 6935g that comes with Nvidia 9600, im a developer, so i dont really push graphics, I just connect 2 monitors to the laptop. I just want to have the ability to sleep and hibernate, its quite annoying to open 50 windows every time... |
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| 13:12.30 | hackemate | crw-rw---- 1 root video 195, 255 oct 31 13:21 /dev/nvidiactl |
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| 13:12.33 | hackemate | hm |
| 13:12.36 | kthakore | elmovato: what are you using for your distro? |
| 13:12.38 | hackemate | add myself to video group? |
| 13:12.48 | jelly-home | hackemate: probably |
| 13:13.09 | elmovato | kthakore: I use win7 here, but I use Debian for development servers |
| 13:13.28 | hackemate | usermod -a -G video hackemate, correct? |
| 13:13.44 | kthakore | elmovato: ah ok |
| 13:13.45 | hackemate | and relog |
| 13:14.15 | elmovato | kthakore: I tried all, nothing works with smart batteries :( |
| 13:14.30 | kthakore | elmovato: awww. |
| 13:15.31 | elmovato | kthakore: the only workaround i found is: "turn off/on the laptop", but thats the magic of laptops, sleep and hibernation |
| 13:15.51 | kthakore | ewww |
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| 13:16.46 | elmovato | kthakore: so probably the best would be to buy a laptop with OEM linux, if thats the term |
| 13:16.59 | endri | when i run mplayer i get the following ld error when i run mplayer: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 719: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! |
| 13:17.10 | kthakore | elmovato: OEM? |
| 13:17.27 | elmovato | kthakore: with linux preinstalled and tested |
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| 13:17.47 | kthakore | elmovato: ah |
| 13:17.50 | kthakore | system76 |
| 13:17.58 | kthakore | the prices are insane though |
| 13:18.00 | kthakore | :p |
| 13:18.28 | abrotman | uh .. he said he wants to install debian |
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| 13:18.39 | kthakore | abrotman: me? |
| 13:18.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:19.04 | kthakore | abrotman: I probably am going to get system76. I am asking if I can get debian lenny on it preinstalled |
| 13:19.12 | kthakore | abrotman: waiting for reply |
| 13:19.18 | abrotman | kthakore: that's a question to ask them, not us |
| 13:19.27 | kthakore | abrotman: not asking you |
| 13:19.28 | kthakore | :P |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | kthakore: i'm just telling you where to get the best answer .. instead of some guy on IRC |
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| 13:20.05 | kthakore | abrotman: ah ok |
| 13:20.10 | kthakore | abrotman: thank you sire |
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| 13:20.44 | abrotman | endri: where did you get your mplayer? is your system up to odate? |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | to date |
| 13:20.55 | endri | debian-multimedia |
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| 13:21.29 | endri | but i am concerned with ld.so. it is updated. i have a debian testing |
| 13:21.29 | kthakore | elmovato: abrotman: ok some guys on irc I am going to go ask system76 thanks. |
| 13:21.55 | aymak | After kernel upgrade, a commercial binary reports missing linux-gate.so. How to fix this? |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | endri: is the mplayer up to date from dmm ? |
| 13:22.17 | abrotman | aymak: from which kernel to which kernel? |
| 13:22.50 | endri | sorry abortman: what does ddm mean |
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| 13:23.03 | aymak | abrotman 2.6.8 to 2.6.26 |
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| 13:23.37 | aymak | abrotman: 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 13:23.51 | valdyn | aymak: that should have been a sarge -> etch -> lenny upgrade |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | should be 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
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| 13:26.07 | aymak | abrotman: How do I specify that 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem should be installed? |
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| 13:26.33 | da65 | Hi, whats the command to turn safe mode off in etch, having problems with a wordpress on a domain |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | aymak: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 13:26.52 | abrotman | aymak: i doubt that will fix your linux-gate issue though |
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| 13:30.10 | aymak | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m32e9fa25 |
| 13:32.51 | abrotman | aymak: those should read 'lenny' not 'stable' |
| 13:33.02 | abrotman | valdyn: that probably explains the .8 to .26 jump |
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| 13:34.57 | aymak | abrotman: I wonder if I should try another upgrade or let it go..? |
| 13:35.23 | abrotman | aymak: did you change the file yet ? |
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| 13:35.49 | abrotman | aymak: and as i said .. it's not going to fix your missing module |
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| 13:36.37 | aymak | abrotman: Have not. The commercial binary is backup software. |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:37.13 | abrotman | aymak: change that file first |
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| 13:38.49 | anoob | hi, i have a realtek 8187 that just works next to the router... how can i solve it? |
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| 13:39.34 | aymak | abrotman: any prospects for fixing the linux-gate dependency? |
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| 13:41.22 | abrotman | aymak: how old is that binary? |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | aymak: after you finish changing that file .. `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 13:43.00 | aymak | abrotman: estimate 3-4 years old. |
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| 13:43.47 | aymak | abrotman: thanks, I'll try it. |
| 13:43.51 | abrotman | aymak: it's possible it's not capable of running .. what does this binary do ? |
| 13:44.08 | aymak | abrotman: system backups |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | there are tons of backup apps ? |
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| 13:45.14 | marte- | ciao |
| 13:45.19 | aymak | abrotman: we hope to eliminate the need for it over the next few months, but it would be nice to have backups in the transition (to virtualization). |
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| 13:47.06 | aymak | abrotman: Not that familiar with backup offerings, kind of out of my department. |
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| 13:47.14 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:47.46 | NahuelM1 | hi, i'm running lenny, and it all works well, except that in X, below my cursor I get a little rectangle of garbled video. My driver is intel. I'm trying to fix it, been googling for help, but to be honest I'm a bit lost, I don't exactly where to look or what could be causing the issue. can anybody please point me in the right direction? thanks |
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| 13:48.50 | valdyn | NahuelM1: try switching off HWCursor |
| 13:50.01 | NahuelM1 | valdyn: no difference |
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| 13:51.23 | NahuelM1 | the issue is present on both the internal and external displays |
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| 14:02.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:02.38 | dpkg | <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 14:04.21 | johndoe | whats a good open-source non-linear video editor? |
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| 14:06.06 | themill | judd info kdenlive |
| 14:06.11 | filePeter | johndoe: Cinelerra. |
| 14:06.13 | themill | judd versions kdenlive |
| 14:06.13 | judd | themill: kdenlive -- etch-multimedia: 0.4-0.1-etch2 lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2 squeeze: 0.7.5-1 sid: 0.7.6-1 |
| 14:06.21 | scb | Hello. I am having a problem with the gtk font rendering. In my KDE apps they look just fine, but with firefox/gtk apps they look just fugly. Here's a picture: http://imagebin.org/69829 ... Any idea of what might be causing this? |
| 14:06.22 | themill | judd info kdenlive --release sid |
| 14:06.22 | judd | themill: kdenlive (video): is optional; Version: 0.7.6-1; Size: 984.4k; Installed: 2752k -- a non-linear video editor |
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| 14:10.30 | johndoe | thanks |
| 14:10.49 | liable | bloody hell, i always have to kill -9 weasel because of flash |
| 14:11.05 | liable | i wish for once it would just work for gods sake |
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| 14:11.59 | filePeter | scb: I have no idea. |
| 14:12.57 | scb | filePeter: :( |
| 14:13.20 | UbuntN | hi i have a question ! i want a good Operating System Based On Linux ! I Don't know what to get ! Mandrake, Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora ! I don't want to loose all my files anyway and make many partitions ! i just want a good operating system because i'm from now i hate "windows" "windows sucks" |
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| 14:14.33 | filePeter | UbuntN: How experience are you with PC in general? |
| 14:14.37 | adb | UbuntN, and , where is the question ? |
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| 14:14.52 | filePeter | adb: Which one should I take⦠:-) |
| 14:15.23 | UbuntN | writeln ('the question is : whats the best operating system i should get ?'); |
| 14:15.44 | abrotman | UbuntN: you're in #debian .. what do you think we will answer? |
| 14:15.46 | filePeter | UbuntN: The answer depends on what you need it for. |
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| 14:15.58 | filePeter | abrotman: That mandrake is dead? :-) |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | he should ask ##linux if he wants an answer other than Debian |
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| 14:18.15 | hd_chro | hello, everyone |
| 14:18.23 | UbuntN | thank you abrotman |
| 14:19.02 | filePeter | UbuntN: Just donât use Mandrake. Debian and Fedora are still considered harder to use⦠Ubuntu is just clicky⦠|
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| 14:19.57 | abrotman | he should ask ##linux .. |
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| 14:20.33 | xoz | doesnt agree that debian is harder to use. |
| 14:20.49 | UbuntN | Debian so secure and hard ! |
| 14:20.51 | hd_chro | I switched my debian 5.03 to xen-amd64 kernel, but I install non-free display driver fglrx, it cannot work, it make computer reboot, I dig the x0rg.0.log, I found first "EE" line "Failed to load module "fgl.renamed.libglx" (module does not exist), how can I deal with it? is the non-free driver bug ? |
| 14:20.56 | xoz | thinks you just need time and interest |
| 14:20.59 | prince_jammys | if you're new and get debian, i recommend stable. |
| 14:21.10 | prince_jammys | less hair loss. |
| 14:21.21 | filePeter | xoz: Thatâs why I said itâs considered harder⦠^_^ |
| 14:21.31 | xoz | notes he has no hair |
| 14:21.33 | filePeter | UbuntN: Is it? |
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| 14:21.35 | Titan8990 | hd_chro, went through this last night.... should have used module assistant unstead of doing all that manual work |
| 14:21.37 | prince_jammys | xoz: see? |
| 14:22.11 | xoz | prince_jammys: that is because i have stable, testing, and unstable |
| 14:22.18 | Titan8990 | hd_chro, if fgrlx was working prior to kernel switch, you just need to reinstall it |
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| 14:22.49 | hd_chro | yes , the non-free ati fglrx driver work on kernel 2.6.26-2 amd64 |
| 14:23.47 | hd_chro | I reinstalled it use module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src, and I viewed /lib/modules/kernel-xxx-xen/misc have related .ko driver module |
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| 14:25.57 | hd_chro | but when I boot with xen-2.6.260-2 kernel, when load x11, the computer reboot, if I only use vesa driver and skip fglrx driver, it can start x-window, but its resolution is only 1024x768 |
| 14:26.57 | hd_chro | and more important the vesa driver isnot support sdl, I guess, so my xen guest cannot work |
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| 14:28.30 | ksdfpr1 | hi 2 al |
| 14:28.43 | ksdfpr1 | can anyone explain what to do to work my sata (here is the way http://wiki.debian.org/pata_marvell but I m only few minutes user!!! |
| 14:28.48 | hd_chro | the first xorg.0.log "EE" line is x0rg.0.log, I found first "EE" line is "Failed to load module "fgl.renamed.libglx" (module does not exist) |
| 14:29.24 | hd_chro | the first "EE" line is "Failed to load module "fgl.renamed.libglx" (module does not exist) |
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| 14:31.03 | hd_chro | please give me a tips, I am tired, and it is display driver make me cannot use xen winxp guest |
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| 14:32.22 | OpenTokix | HackeMate: Did you solve the problems. - Sorry for leaving before, somethign came up. |
| 14:32.22 | liable | hd_chro: what card chip is it? these days the radeon or radeonhd driver work mostly, no real need for fglrx |
| 14:32.40 | hark | hd_chro: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 14:33.10 | hd_chro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.24 | liable | and vesa does 1200x1600 fine on my lappy |
| 14:33.25 | hd_chro | yes, wait I paste |
| 14:33.29 | HackeMate | OpenTokix, i had various problems but yes, i fixed all |
| 14:33.35 | HackeMate | do you want details about which one? |
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| 14:34.09 | ksdfpr1 | can anyone explain what to do to work my sata (here is the way http://wiki.debian.org/pata_marvell but I m only few minutes user!!! |
| 14:34.23 | liable | hd_chro: are you running stable? |
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| 14:35.11 | filePeter | ksdfpr1: Whatâs not working with the tutorial? |
| 14:35.36 | hd_chro | liable: stable you mean debian , my fglrx driver get use command "apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src |
| 14:35.37 | hd_chro | " |
| 14:36.14 | ksdfpr1 | filePeter: What do you mean? My sata disk isnt working |
| 14:36.28 | filePeter | thx |
| 14:37.10 | hd_chro | my debian is 5.03 dvd #1, it should be release version |
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| 14:37.20 | filePeter | ksdfpr1: My aircon isnât working here, too. Can you tell me why? |
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| 14:37.58 | ksdfpr1 | filePeter: No:-[ |
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| 14:39.48 | babilen | filePeter: It might help if you give a better definition of "isn't working" |
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| 14:40.21 | babilen | filePeter: It surely does not go to work every now and then and hands you the paycheck at the end of the month |
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| 14:41.09 | filePeter | babilen: :-) Please read what I told ksdfpr1. He was the one who âisnât workingâ |
| 14:41.57 | babilen | filePeter: I apologise. I did not read the whole thread and your sentence read as if it was the beginning of a new topic. |
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| 14:43.11 | hd_chro | hark: I paste my xorg.conf http://pastie.org/677922 |
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| 14:43.41 | hd_chro | My monitor best resolution is 1366x768 |
| 14:45.28 | hd_chro | If I want remove non-free fglrx driver what command I can used ? |
| 14:45.39 | hark | hd_chro: try without an xorg.conf or base it on X -configure |
| 14:45.50 | filePeter | babilen: Hey, no worries! :-) Does your client support threadding? Cool. |
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| 14:46.15 | hd_chro | ok , thanks, |
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| 14:47.33 | hd_chro | because I installed ati private linux driver but kernel panic, so I suspect it is collosion with non-free fglrx driver |
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| 14:49.46 | hd_chro | when I used kernel 2.6.26 amd64, I install ati private driver, it raise gcc related error when install will be completed, but when I switched to kernel xen-2.6.26-2-amd64, when I try install private ati driver, it crash now |
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| 14:50.25 | d1b | hd_chro: i can't get xorg to start when i am on a xen kernel. |
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| 14:50.33 | d1b | so.... you are lucky :) |
| 14:50.41 | hark | hd_chro: what's ati private driver? |
| 14:50.56 | d1b | hark: i think he means proprietary. |
| 14:51.01 | hd_chro | ati-driver-installer-9-10-x86.x86_64.run |
| 14:51.15 | hd_chro | yes, it is proprietary driver |
| 14:51.21 | hark | hd_chro: for that maybe ask #ati |
| 14:51.35 | d1b | hd_chro: you are encouraged to use the debian package. |
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| 14:52.01 | d1b | however, on the xen kernel if xorg is even working on that 2.6.26 im impressed :) |
| 14:52.21 | d1b | apparently the newer xserver-xorg may work :) |
| 14:52.25 | d1b | (with xen ..) |
| 14:52.44 | liable | apparently xen is gonna get dropped anyway.. |
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| 14:53.25 | d1b | liable: not all of us have support for kvm |
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| 14:53.37 | hd_chro | yes, xorg on xen kernel my computer reboot, My computer is dell Inspiron Desktop 535MT, if it have compatibility problem ? |
| 14:54.06 | d1b | hd_chro: if it works with the normal kernel, im going to say no |
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| 14:54.29 | d1b | and xen breaks xserver-xorg for a log of graphics cards. |
| 14:54.44 | hd_chro | yes, I used non-free fglrx driver work successfully on kernel 2.6.26-2-amd |
| 14:54.46 | d1b | or rather xserver-xorg has a funny means of finding where memory is. |
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| 14:55.14 | hark | hd_chro: did you try with what i said? |
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| 14:55.42 | hd_chro | hark: you mean ask ati ? |
| 14:55.52 | hark | hd_chro: try without an xorg.conf or base it on X -configure |
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| 14:56.46 | hd_chro | hark: I do without an xorg.conf reinstalled fglrx driver, is it ? I will try it |
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| 15:00.45 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 15:01.20 | SamuraiDio | sometime ago i used a little program to limit bandwidth usage of other commands, but i can't remember its name. do somwone knows it? |
| 15:01.42 | petemc | trickle |
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| 15:02.13 | SamuraiDio | lemme see... |
| 15:02.14 | liable | get your prostate checked |
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| 15:03.35 | xoz | SamuraiDio: shaper? apt-cache search bandwidth |
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| 15:04.12 | SamuraiDio | petemc, tnx, that was it |
| 15:04.14 | d1b | wondershaper :) |
| 15:04.20 | SamuraiDio | :D |
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| 15:06.00 | decaprime | Wondering if someone might be able to help, sorry if this isn't appropriate for the channel, but i'm bashing my head againts the wall trying to get vsftpd working with mysql virtual users, it auths the credentials correctly but i'm getting a priv_sock_get_result error and can't seem to find any direciton to persue... |
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| 15:07.29 | Titan8990 | decaprime, not many there but there is a #vsftpd |
| 15:07.37 | d1b | decaprime: do the users have mappings to a location and yse try #vsftpd |
| 15:07.42 | d1b | yes* |
| 15:08.02 | decaprime | d1b: honestly i'm not sure what that means |
| 15:08.37 | decaprime | They should be /home/ftp/$USER |
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| 15:09.22 | d1b | decaprime: http://www.howtoforge.com/vsftpd_mysql_debian_etch_p2 |
| 15:09.44 | d1b | might be of help |
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| 15:10.07 | decaprime | i've seen these tutorails before by falko there are like 80 of them that all are pretty much the same, I tried his pure-ftpd one the other day, complete failure |
| 15:10.26 | d1b | ok |
| 15:10.38 | d1b | i was refering to the last part btw. |
| 15:10.44 | d1b | not the entire thing. |
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| 15:11.23 | decaprime | this is actually pertty much what I did, let me go through the conf another time |
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| 15:13.08 | EugenMayer | can I store several keys in authorized_keys? |
| 15:13.25 | hd_chro | My xserver keep reboot my do step following: I removed my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and I used module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src on kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel, and then I run aticonfig --initial |
| 15:13.31 | liable | yes, ssh will add them when you log in |
| 15:13.46 | hd_chro | I paste xorg.conf and xorg.0.log http://pastie.org/677944 |
| 15:13.53 | EugenMayer | liable: well I need more the "client" one, not the server one |
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| 15:14.28 | Intel | can someone point me to a link on how the top level Admin manages lower level admins all working on the same server but on different projects? |
| 15:14.33 | hd_chro | is it a bug on xen-amd64 kernel for my dispaly card ? |
| 15:14.49 | d1b | hd_chro: xen. probably. |
| 15:15.03 | d1b | hd_chro: well not xen but xorg and xen having fun with memory. |
| 15:15.14 | d1b | i can't use xen + xorg even with intel / other cards. |
| 15:15.28 | d1b | on debian lenny. |
| 15:16.12 | hd_chro | ok, that sound sadness |
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| 15:16.50 | d1b | probably. |
| 15:17.01 | d1b | i don't run xen on systems that have xorg mostly :) |
| 15:17.18 | hd_chro | My xen guest winxp boot with vnc password error, I googled it is related to SDL , but I cannot install display driver for xen-amd64 kernel |
| 15:17.56 | d1b | ok. |
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| 15:19.22 | hd_chro | thanks, I knowed it, I give up xen virtual machine, thank a lot |
| 15:19.53 | hark | hd_chro: the log you pasted is from a different xorg.conf |
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| 15:21.07 | hd_chro | the x.org.0.log should be for xorg.conf, when my computer reboot, after I enter single user mode I copied the two file |
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| 15:21.40 | hark | hd_chro: they don't match |
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| 15:22.01 | hd_chro | what donot match ? |
| 15:22.29 | hark | hd_chro: don't run aticonfig, delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf. try again. if it does not work, create a new one using X -configure and set the driver as fglrx and try again |
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| 15:23.46 | hd_chro | ok , I will try |
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| 15:30.54 | decaprime | screw these ftpds, anyone have a resource on how I could add limited sftp access, only to a specific directory, I can't seem to get a concrete answer from google |
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| 15:31.52 | d1b | decaprime: chroot. |
| 15:32.04 | d1b | but limited is lots of fun :) |
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| 15:32.14 | decaprime | ? |
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| 15:32.36 | d1b | decaprime: you *only* want to give sftp |
| 15:32.41 | decaprime | yes |
| 15:32.42 | d1b | not shell access. |
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| 15:33.17 | decaprime | I just want to be able to make a place for some people to dump files so they don't have to send them to me via email to upload heh |
| 15:33.38 | decaprime | and i've spent near 5 hours on this issue already |
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| 15:34.13 | petemc | decaprime: scponly might be of use |
| 15:34.15 | hark | decaprime: you can look into scponly |
| 15:34.39 | decaprime | good sign when 2 people suggest the same package at the same time I guess =P |
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| 15:36.51 | JPT | :/ |
| 15:37.14 | JPT | is there a special package that is required for resolving dns? |
| 15:37.35 | JPT | i think i just managed to uninstall it |
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| 15:38.00 | hark | hd_chro: it doesn't take that long to try it out. sorry, i can't wait, i've got to go. later |
| 15:38.11 | Titan8990 | JPT, no, but there is resolvconf |
| 15:38.16 | Titan8990 | !resolvconf |
| 15:38.16 | dpkg | it has been said that resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 15:38.17 | decaprime | err on second thought, does scponly support symlinks outside of the chrooted directory, doesn't seem like it from what i'm reading =/ |
| 15:38.33 | JPT | mh |
| 15:38.42 | JPT | resolveconf is not official |
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| 15:38.55 | Titan8990 | what do you mean not official? |
| 15:39.20 | JPT | well.. i just uninstalled some packages where i thought they were not needed... and now i cannot resolve things like google.com |
| 15:39.43 | Titan8990 | JPT, what does you /etc/resolv.conf look like? |
| 15:39.52 | azeem | JPT: can you ping 141.76.2.5? |
| 15:40.05 | JPT | two nameserver-lines |
| 15:40.15 | JPT | Oo |
| 15:40.21 | JPT | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 15:40.31 | JPT | seems to be a different issue |
| 15:40.34 | azeem | indeed |
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| 15:45.04 | JPT | mh..okay |
| 15:45.12 | JPT | looks like my router crashed |
| 15:45.17 | JPT | problem solved |
| 15:45.18 | JPT | :) |
| 15:45.33 | d1b | JPT: ... |
| 15:46.11 | JPT | well..it was my own logic that told me that uninstalling packages and a failing connection might have something in common ;) |
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| 15:49.17 | EugenMayer | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 15:49.17 | EugenMayer | 30 4 * * * /root/aptsecurityupdates |
| 15:49.26 | EugenMayer | is something wrong here? that's my crontab -e entry |
| 15:49.34 | JPT | you need the user |
| 15:49.38 | EugenMayer | but it never gets executed |
| 15:49.42 | JPT | * * * * * <user> <command> |
| 15:49.51 | EugenMayer | even in crontab -e |
| 15:49.59 | JPT | mh |
| 15:50.01 | JPT | err |
| 15:50.02 | EugenMayer | ? |
| 15:50.09 | JPT | i'll check the manpage |
| 15:50.17 | EugenMayer | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 15:50.23 | EugenMayer | accoring to that, this is not the case |
| 15:50.30 | JPT | right |
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| 15:50.55 | JPT | looks like my 5 minutes of being an idiot are not over yet |
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| 15:50.58 | gigo | i want to use my computer with the wireless router I have got. I haven't done such a thing in Debian before. I am using Squeeze. Could you please suggest where to start with? |
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| 15:51.23 | d1b | gigo: what do you mean... you will need a wireless card. |
| 15:51.31 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: it looks reasonable for a user crontab. |
| 15:51.47 | deus___ | you can go the easy way and install a GUI, e.g. wicd, or by your shell |
| 15:51.53 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: I just don't get, why it is never exectued |
| 15:51.57 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: do you get a mail report with the cause of failure? |
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| 15:52.21 | gigo | d1b, my laptop has wireless. I can see a bluetooth and wireless icon on my laptop with blue light shining. |
| 15:52.22 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: the systems MTA is not configured to mail me anything yet. |
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| 15:52.47 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: you're going to have hard time debugging it then |
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| 15:52.50 | d1b | gigo: are you using network manager? |
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| 15:53.13 | hd_chro | I found my computer reboot is caused by load fglrx.ko, when I manual insmod ./fglrx.ko in kernel 2.6.26-xen-amd64, kernel panic with reboot computer, I do following: generate a new xorg.conf and remove old ati proprietary driver use its uninstall script |
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| 15:53.25 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: I guess so. Well maybe a 2> could help |
| 15:53.52 | jimmybgood | EugenMayer: Is /root/aptsecurityupdates readable and executable by the user? |
| 15:53.59 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: yes. Both |
| 15:54.12 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: as you suppose, root is running that script |
| 15:54.20 | jelly-home | mmm |
| 15:54.20 | gigo | d1b, I am not sure. how to find out whether i am using network manager. I know that I have only lo entry in /etc/network/interfaces. I don't have any eth entry there. |
| 15:54.29 | hd_chro | by the way, My used xen-hypervisor is patched, My installed program is Ether |
| 15:54.32 | gigo | and when I connect or disconnect, the network icon in gnome responds accordingly. |
| 15:54.52 | d1b | gigo: yes i meanthe gnome icon i guess. |
| 15:54.53 | azeem | gigo: connect what? |
| 15:54.59 | d1b | you can probably use that to connect to wifi.. |
| 15:55.00 | azeem | gigo: you are not very specific or precise |
| 15:55.03 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: |
| 15:55.05 | EugenMayer | http://pastebin.com/d1392d0d4 |
| 15:55.07 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: which editor did you use to edit the file? Is the last line properly ended with \n ? |
| 15:55.12 | gigo | azeem, I mean when I connect or disconnect the ethernet cable. |
| 15:55.16 | EugenMayer | that's the only thing inside there. Nothing suprising I guess |
| 15:55.18 | azeem | gigo: ok |
| 15:55.25 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: vim |
| 15:55.27 | gigo | azeem, right now I am using ethernet. but I want to use wireless now as I have bought a new wireless router. |
| 15:55.37 | azeem | gigo: did you try a left click on the network icon and select a wireless network |
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| 15:55.55 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: the last line should have \n ...well this could be it |
| 15:55.56 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: ok, vim ends lines properly |
| 15:55.56 | hd_chro | is patched xen hypervisor influence fglrx driver ? |
| 15:56.06 | gigo | azeem, there is no option to select wireless network there. they are disabled. |
| 15:56.22 | d1b | gigo: if you go iwconfig as root in terminal, what happens? |
| 15:56.26 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: unrelated: unattended upgrades are a bad idea |
| 15:56.46 | azeem | gigo: what wireless card do you have? |
| 15:56.52 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: iam doing those for a longer time now. Never run into anything bad. |
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| 15:57.19 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: I mean, it's the debian policy which does save my ass here "no new features, only security fixes. No removing / adding of features" |
| 15:58.03 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: well. you can enable cron.log in /etc/syslog.conf (rsyslog.conf in lenny), reload the service, see if anything appears in the log |
| 15:58.03 | gigo | d1b, http://pastebin.com/m76b2c881 |
| 15:58.31 | jelly-home | (the syslog service I mean... sysklogd, or rsyslog) |
| 15:58.44 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: oh well that's a perfect idea! |
| 15:58.54 | gigo | azeem, I get two output for net in lspci |
| 15:58.56 | d1b | gigo: ok so if you go iwlist scan |
| 15:59.01 | gigo | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02) |
| 15:59.01 | gigo | 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 15:59.04 | azeem | gigo: if you right click on the network icon, do you have a "Enable wireless" option? |
| 15:59.18 | azeem | !3945 |
| 15:59.18 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:59.24 | gigo | azeem, enable wireless option is checked |
| 15:59.27 | d1b | azeem: his card seems to be there... |
| 15:59.30 | azeem | gigo: see what dpkg just wrote |
| 15:59.40 | azeem | gigo: you probably need firmware to be loaded |
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| 16:00.04 | d1b | ah fair enough :) |
| 16:00.17 | gigo | ok. with iwlist scan, I see it says, "Interface doesn't support scanning" for all interfaces. |
| 16:00.26 | gigo | for wlan0, there is an extra message. "network is down" |
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| 16:00.30 | d1b | gigo: yes so do what dpkg says. |
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| 16:00.35 | d1b | you will need the firmware. |
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| 16:00.47 | d1b | however, you may want to try again fater going ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 16:00.53 | d1b | after* |
| 16:01.03 | azeem | d1b: please give one advice after the other |
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| 16:03.22 | gigo | how to understand whether to set the wireless connection type as 'infrastructure' or 'adhoc' ? |
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| 16:04.31 | azeem | gigo: fix your firmware first |
| 16:04.41 | azeem | before worrying about anything else |
| 16:04.43 | gigo | yes, i will do it now. |
| 16:04.49 | gigo | but i was curious to know the other thing. |
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| 16:05.45 | gigo | i also want to know when i right click the network icon, for 'Auto eth1' why does it show 'Never' beside it. |
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| 16:06.11 | azeem | gigo: no idea what you mean with Never |
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| 16:07.13 | et | eshat: show tables like, dann drop |
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| 16:08.38 | gigo | When I right click the network icon and select 'Edit connections' a window opens which has a 'Wired' tab. In that tab there is one entry that says, "Auto eth1" followed by "Never" aligned to the right. |
| 16:08.45 | gigo | so I am wondering what that "Never" means? |
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| 16:09.10 | eshat | et: Sorry I am totally new to this,... SHOW TABLES LIKE 'blog_*'; doesn't work |
| 16:09.11 | azeem | gigo: no idea, and i wonder why you care when you should fix your firmware |
| 16:09.30 | azeem | gigo: I am not going to wait for another half hour until you do what we suggest |
| 16:09.31 | gigo | ok. just want to know for my knowledge. i will fix the firmware now. |
| 16:09.39 | azeem | gigo: read the manual or so |
| 16:09.53 | azeem | you don't need "Edit Connections" at all normally |
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| 16:10.05 | et | eshat: the wildcard in mysql is %, not * |
| 16:10.32 | eshat | et: ahh ok,... and how do i drop these... pipe symbol ? |
| 16:10.51 | et | by some kind of script. |
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| 16:11.43 | gigo | azeem, ok. there is no need to wait for me. I will take some time before fixing my firmware. I am doing a little bit of googling to learn the concepts behind it. so I need some time. |
| 16:12.00 | azeem | dpkg told you exactly what to do |
| 16:12.00 | dpkg | azeem: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:12.17 | gigo | azeem, yes. I mean, I am learning some extra stuff. |
| 16:12.21 | azeem | fine |
| 16:12.30 | MarkGil | Hi, does anyone understand the Dependency based boot sequence? I am trying to setup a package that's external from apt (becuase it's a commerical application), and it's causing me grief |
| 16:12.31 | gigo | dpkg told you exactly what to do |
| 16:12.31 | dpkg | gigo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:12.41 | gigo | why is dpkg responding like this? |
| 16:12.48 | azeem | I don't know, and I complained already |
| 16:12.55 | azeem | dpkg: told you |
| 16:12.55 | dpkg | azeem: i don't know |
| 16:13.00 | azeem | dpkg told you |
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| 16:13.26 | MarkGil | http://pastebin.com/m4e3dfabc |
| 16:13.26 | themill | azeem, gigo: there's no factoid called "told you" so it's telling you off for asking it to do something that it knows nothing about |
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| 16:13.48 | azeem | dpkg sadofisf oasdjfasdfo oadsjfosadf |
| 16:13.48 | dpkg | azeem: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:13.54 | azeem | this is really annoying |
| 16:13.55 | gigo | lol |
| 16:14.05 | themill | just don't start sentences with "dpkg". |
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| 16:14.14 | ctmjr | azeem: then stop |
| 16:14.16 | azeem | IMO dpkg should only act if addressed with "dpkg:" |
| 16:14.43 | themill | e.g. put the target's name at the start: gigo: dpkg told you what to do |
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| 16:15.08 | azeem | themill: I understand that this would be a work-around |
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| 16:17.07 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: can I have several Host / IdentityFile sections in my .ssh/config on the client? http://pastebin.com/d3a886532 |
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| 16:21.12 | NoReflex | Hey guys! Does anyone have problems with /proc/kcore? I was running a game in wine and after about an hour I had no space left on the root partition; even though prior to starting the game a had about 6 GB free. I've read kcore shouldn't take up any space on the FS but I can't find another explanation. I'm using 2.6.31 |
| 16:22.28 | NoReflex | I only have 4 GB of RAM but kcore has 4.6 GB |
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| 16:24.05 | Trewas | NoReflex: maybe something is spamming logs in /var/log? |
| 16:24.14 | Trewas | kcore definitely takes no space |
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| 16:25.40 | NoReflex | Trewas: /var/log has only 492 MB....I'm missing about 6 GB... |
| 16:26.00 | azeem | NoReflex: the rest of var? |
| 16:26.06 | azeem | /var/cache, e.g. |
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| 16:26.27 | NoReflex | I started nautilua as root and the whole var folder has 492 MB |
| 16:26.54 | NoReflex | /var/log has only 9 MB |
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| 16:27.17 | petemc | NoReflex: its not hard to track disk usage with du and sort |
| 16:27.26 | azeem | NoReflex: pastebin the output of df |
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| 16:28.16 | NoReflex | http://pastebin.com/d4a72504c |
| 16:29.17 | azeem | NoReflex: eh, you have /usr on / as well |
| 16:29.47 | azeem | and /home |
| 16:29.48 | NoReflex | azeem: /usr has 2 GB |
| 16:29.59 | azeem | NoReflex: well, what are you trying to say? |
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| 16:30.44 | valdyn | NoReflex: why would kcore be 4.6G? |
| 16:30.50 | NoReflex | azeem: I opened nautilus and if I check the properties of /proc it says: 40,446 items, totalling 4.5 GB |
| 16:30.58 | valdyn | NoReflex: because you cant read Gigabyte properly? |
| 16:30.58 | azeem | NoReflex: so? |
| 16:31.09 | azeem | NoReflex: /proc is a virtual file system |
| 16:31.25 | azeem | NoReflex: if you're playing a game, wouldn't it be more logical that wine spams your $HOME? |
| 16:32.05 | NoReflex | it doesn't spam my home folder |
| 16:32.14 | azeem | well then |
| 16:32.21 | azeem | find whatever else is taking up space |
| 16:32.22 | valdyn | !folder |
| 16:32.22 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 16:32.30 | azeem | it's certainly not /proc |
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| 16:33.45 | azeem | NoReflex: also, did you make space on /? Because df shows it's not totally full |
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| 16:33.52 | xoz | NoReflex: just run kdirstat or similar app |
| 16:33.54 | azeem | NoReflex: if not, pastebin the output of "df -i" |
| 16:34.03 | NoReflex | azeem: I did free about 2 GB |
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| 16:34.36 | NoReflex | this seems odd...i went to / and did du -h --max-depth=1 ... home seems to take up 13 GB.... |
| 16:34.56 | NoReflex | but if I check the properties from nautilus (opened as root) it says 4.4 GB |
| 16:34.59 | Arrowmaster | so go into /home and run the command again |
| 16:35.24 | valdyn | NoReflex: thats because your wine stuff is in .wine and you are not showing hidden directories in nautilus |
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| 16:36.31 | valdyn | which reminds me that .wine is a lame place for applications, even if its windows apps |
| 16:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | NoReflex: did you get any errors when you did du --max-depth=1 on your home dir? |
| 16:37.12 | jpinx-eeepc | and permission denied stuff? |
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| 16:37.48 | NoReflex | jpinx-eeepc: du: cannot access `./.gvfs': Permission denied - but that's not a problem AFAIK |
| 16:37.58 | valdyn | NoReflex: thats ok |
| 16:38.14 | valdyn | NoReflex: .gvfs is also not taking space in any case |
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| 16:38.21 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not a problem, but it might explain the differences |
| 16:38.38 | valdyn | NoReflex: du -hs ~/.wine |
| 16:38.41 | jpinx-eeepc | NoReflex: try doing the same du on your home dir as root |
| 16:39.37 | valdyn | its *root* who has no permissions to .gvfs |
| 16:39.38 | NoReflex | valdyn: 198M/home/username/.wine |
| 16:39.39 | xoz | hunting for a lost disk space should be trivial using df, du, or graphical stats like kdirstat. i think you better hunt and use common sense |
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| 16:41.37 | jpinx-eeepc | xoz: true indeed - thre is no such thing as "lost" disc space, only an inability to find it;) |
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| 16:42.01 | valdyn | NoReflex: thats some pretty small game considering its a windows game |
| 16:42.03 | NoReflex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.20 | azeem | NoReflex: no idea why you tell *us* |
| 16:42.34 | NoReflex | the windows game is installed in /media/stocare which is mounted on another partition |
| 16:42.37 | jpinx-eeepc | NoReflex: ls -al might be more useful |
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| 16:42.51 | xoz | problem is you start with a wrong premise. better not to blame the game and start investigation without any bias. |
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| 16:43.13 | NoReflex | forgot about the a switch for ls |
| 16:43.29 | NoReflex | 7.7G xsession-errors.old |
| 16:43.31 | jpinx-eeepc | NoReflex: or ls -alh if you want to make the maths eeasier ;) |
| 16:43.35 | NoReflex | can you believe that? |
| 16:43.41 | valdyn | NoReflex: nice one |
| 16:43.42 | NoReflex | 7.7 GB .... |
| 16:43.44 | xoz | yep. i have that before |
| 16:43.47 | MrTorque | if i want to delete a whole subversion repo, how do i do it? |
| 16:43.53 | valdyn | NoReflex: just delete that file |
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| 16:44.17 | NoReflex | valdyn: will do in a jiffy....just want to take a little peek at it |
| 16:44.21 | MrTorque | i couldn't find that topic in subversion handbook, so i guess, i only have to delete the repository with rm /path/to/repo |
| 16:44.31 | xoz | you assume it is the game so your investigation is biased from the start |
| 16:44.53 | MrTorque | since i did not find any special command, i assume that this should work. am i right? |
| 16:44.58 | valdyn | xoz: he didnt, I did |
| 16:45.05 | xoz | i see |
| 16:45.06 | jpinx-eeepc | xoz: assumptions are the mothers of dissappointments :) |
| 16:46.08 | NoReflex | seems wine logs the errors generated by the game to that file... |
| 16:46.24 | xoz | i thought this xsession-error problem has been resolved a lng time ago. i have a wrong assumption. at the back of my head, i want to suggest to look into this. but it was 4 years ago i have the same problem. |
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| 16:46.45 | valdyn | xoz: problem that some applications spam to much? |
| 16:46.51 | valdyn | xoz: howd you wanna solve that? |
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| 16:47.42 | xoz | valdyn: this xssession-log thing should be in the /var/log instead of home so that the daily cron to clear it should work. |
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| 16:48.04 | valdyn | xoz: but users cant log to /var/log/ |
| 16:48.29 | grantk | I have been looking for a way to find out if debian caches route table entries. I am trying to delete an entry I had made previously, route del works fine for the session, but as soon as I reboot the entry is back |
| 16:48.35 | xoz | valdyn: xsession-log isnt under xorg which? |
| 16:48.38 | NoReflex | perhaps I can get rid of the error logging with WINEDEBUG=-all |
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| 16:48.40 | valdyn | xoz: plus like this they can only dos ~/, not the whole system |
| 16:49.02 | NoReflex | Thank you a lot guys for helping me with this. |
| 16:49.34 | valdyn | xoz: the session is run by a user |
| 16:49.39 | xoz | valdyn: anyway, i thought they have already addressed this xsessio-log. it is easy to overlook this thing. |
| 16:49.40 | valdyn | xoz: its not Xorg errors |
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| 16:51.15 | themill | valdyn, xoz: I've seen things like "this session has created too many lines in .xsession-errors, truncating log" in ~/.xsession-errors before. Nice, up until you actually want more recent errors. |
| 16:51.22 | xoz | you will only notice this if you are ready running out of disk space. for some with lots of disk space, this xsession-log can grow as big as maybe 20G or more until the file size limit is reachd |
| 16:52.43 | xoz | they could have written in .bashrc skeleton script to check the size of this thing. |
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| 16:53.03 | eptalon | heyas |
| 16:53.15 | valdyn | wine should not spam that much |
| 16:53.30 | valdyn | maybe default should be that WINEDEBUG=-all |
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| 16:53.52 | eptalon | I was wondering if there is a free alternative to the Adobe flash plugin; the flash plugin doesnt work in a stable manner on AMD64 |
| 16:54.00 | valdyn | ( its probably just alot of fixme: blah that are useless anyway for most ) |
| 16:54.01 | xoz | valdyn: in my case, i was not using wine. something is spamming it aside from wine. other apps as well. |
| 16:54.09 | valdyn | xoz: sure, anything can |
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| 16:55.08 | valdyn | xoz: that files does get cleaned up btw |
| 16:55.16 | valdyn | xoz: soon as you restart X |
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| 16:55.24 | xoz | valdyn: but after upgrade to another debian, i have not encountered it. |
| 16:55.27 | valdyn | xoz: probably as soon as you log back in |
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| 16:55.39 | xoz | valdyn: yeah, i think the supposed cleaning up did not happen. |
| 16:55.47 | ryanCH | how can i view my hard drive sector by sector? |
| 16:55.52 | valdyn | xoz: oh, it *was* moved to .old by someone |
| 16:56.02 | valdyn | ryanCH: VIEW? |
| 16:56.06 | valdyn | ryanCH: open it |
| 16:56.13 | valdyn | ryanCH: need special screw drivers |
| 16:56.18 | xoz | valdyn: which script usually does this? |
| 16:56.23 | valdyn | xoz: no idea |
| 16:56.34 | valdyn | xoz: I dont have a .old |
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| 16:56.44 | ryanCH | valdyn, i mean a program that that i can view the sectors |
| 16:56.48 | ryanCH | ;p |
| 16:56.50 | valdyn | xoz: i suppose that depends on your X session manger of choice |
| 16:56.58 | valdyn | ryanCH: thats bullshit |
| 16:57.05 | valdyn | ryanCH: what do you really want? |
| 16:57.18 | xoz | valdyn: if i remember 4 years ago, there was a long discussion about this because many had the same problem... but recently, i noticed not much people encounter this. |
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| 16:57.38 | ryanCH | valdyn, a sector by sector viewer ;p |
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| 16:57.50 | valdyn | ryanCH: what would be the point of that? |
| 16:57.55 | xoz | valdyn: possible... i think that is a good idea. |
| 16:58.09 | wootR_ | uhm hi, how would i enter a folder with cd which contains a space? |
| 16:58.14 | ryanCH | valdyn, for a forensic aspect |
| 16:58.19 | valdyn | ryanCH: umm? |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | ryanCH: thats stupid |
| 16:58.31 | valdyn | ryanCH: what do you really want to do? |
| 16:58.35 | ryanCH | ehe |
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| 16:58.36 | prince_jammys | wootR_: cd "Some Place" ; cd Some\ Place |
| 16:59.04 | valdyn | ryanCH: only windows defraggers that sell to ignorant users not by doing something useful but by the right *bling* have this |
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| 17:00.01 | eptalon | wootR_: cd "Folder with space" |
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| 17:01.40 | MrTorque | how do i delete a complete subversion repository? |
| 17:01.58 | Shockcore | ST31500341AS: 46 deg C @idle... thats a bit much no? |
| 17:02.05 | valdyn | Shockcore: nah |
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| 17:02.25 | eptalon | MrTorque: rm -rf |
| 17:02.25 | Shockcore | whats max for hard drive? |
| 17:02.25 | valdyn | Shockcore: thats probabably about the heat in your case anyway |
| 17:02.42 | Shockcore | ok |
| 17:02.46 | eptalon | MrTorque: it is a directory in a filesystem after all |
| 17:02.47 | valdyn | Shockcore: theres no hard max before a temperature that will siginificantly shorten the lifetime |
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| 17:03.26 | eptalon | Big question: At what levels of fragmentation in ext3 should I start worrying? |
| 17:03.41 | jaggz- | what caches dns entries in lenny debian system? |
| 17:03.41 | valdyn | eptalon: not at all |
| 17:03.45 | MrTorque | eptalon: so if i delete the repo-folder, everything is gone. no further svn-admin commands needed? |
| 17:03.49 | rednammoc | hi guys. short question. why "sh -c echo "hello" > world" doesnt put me the word hello in the file world ? |
| 17:03.52 | valdyn | eptalon: its not *that* simple |
| 17:04.11 | valdyn | eptalon: you should leave at least 5% or the size of your biggest file free |
| 17:04.15 | eptalon | valdyn: My boot partition has reached like 8.5% |
| 17:04.19 | prince_jammys | rednammoc: sh -c 'echo hello' |
| 17:04.25 | valdyn | eptalon: dont worry about it |
| 17:04.26 | jaggz- | sh -c "echo hello" |
| 17:04.48 | prince_jammys | rednammoc: you are currently running only echo, and setting $0 to hello |
| 17:04.51 | rednammoc | prince_jammys: thx :D |
| 17:04.55 | jaggz- | rednammoc: because -c wants one parameter |
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| 17:05.04 | eptalon | valdyn: Ok, good. I take there are also no tools that can defrag a rw ext3 volume? |
| 17:05.07 | valdyn | eptalon: you have ~20 files there, this probably means that one file is split in half |
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| 17:05.21 | valdyn | eptalon: right, none, unless you unmount |
| 17:05.22 | ix | sh -c "echo hello" |
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| 17:05.50 | jaggz- | I need my dns to dump its cache |
| 17:06.04 | valdyn | eptalon: fragmentation is largely irrelevant |
| 17:06.13 | jaggz- | not my actual dns, but the local debian system .. it's not updating an IP which I did update in my remote dns |
| 17:06.19 | valdyn | eptalon: theres cases where it may matter, but certainly not in /boot |
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| 17:06.35 | jaggz- | heh |
| 17:06.53 | eptalon | valdyn: boot is the only volume I have on ext3, all the others use other fses. |
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| 17:07.21 | valdyn | eptalon: the only linux fs with online defragger is xfs as far as i know |
| 17:07.28 | xoz | you'll earn 0.00001 faster processing with defrag in /boot |
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| 17:08.03 | valdyn | i have one horribly fragmented movie partition |
| 17:08.04 | eptalon | valdyn: thats what I use, though. |
| 17:08.11 | valdyn | and guess what, it doesnt matter the least bit |
| 17:08.21 | valdyn | because the disk is still a few times as fast as my network |
| 17:08.34 | valdyn | eptalon: thought so |
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| 17:09.22 | eptalon | valdyn: there are few choices; forget ext2/ext3, forget jfs, and probably forget reiser. |
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| 17:09.35 | valdyn | eptalon: forget about fragmentation |
| 17:09.55 | valdyn | eptalon: i bet you that ext4 is faster with a good bit fragmentation that xfs will ever be |
| 17:10.06 | valdyn | s/that/than/ |
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| 17:10.42 | eptalon | valdyn: its more recent; just wondering, does grub support ext4 yet? |
| 17:10.47 | valdyn | eptalon: fragmentation happens up to a system dependendent threshold, its very very hard to go higher than that value |
| 17:11.01 | xoz | !defrag |
| 17:11.01 | dpkg | from memory, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space |
| 17:11.43 | grantk | anyone know how to delete a route table entry perman |
| 17:11.52 | valdyn | eptalon: grub does not, grub2 does |
| 17:11.54 | grantk | ently |
| 17:12.28 | valdyn | eptalon: and lenny does not either, but can be made to easily, documented at kernelnewbies.org, the changelog to 2.6.28 kern el |
| 17:12.29 | themill | grantk: you need to stop whatever is creating this route from doing so |
| 17:12.49 | valdyn | eptalon: this is probably a waste of time though, xfs is not bad |
| 17:12.55 | grantk | hmm, I created it 2 weeks ago, got second nic now so no longer need it |
| 17:13.34 | eptalon | valdyn: on sid, standard kernel I use is 2.6.30 |
| 17:13.42 | grantk | themill, so If I deleted by hand there should not be anything else creating it |
| 17:13.50 | valdyn | eptalon: no problem then |
| 17:13.50 | themill | grantk: route entries are not persistent across reboots -- configuration options for files or programs are persistent. First place to look is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:13.53 | grantk | themill, excuse me, created by hand |
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| 17:14.55 | grantk | themill: Thank you, I bet you did not know you had the cure for blindness |
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| 17:15.14 | themill | heh |
| 17:15.16 | grantk | themill: I missed my command in there to add the route at boot. Thanks |
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| 17:21.35 | mastro | how do I discover which program is locking apt-get ? |
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| 17:22.38 | willy | hy all |
| 17:22.52 | Pryon | mastro: lsof <name of the file that you can't get a lock on> |
| 17:23.06 | filePeter | mastro: lsof |
| 17:23.14 | filePeter | Oh, sorry Pryon. |
| 17:23.25 | mastro | Pryon: you mean the path or the filename only? |
| 17:23.25 | Pryon | no harm done - 10 brains are better than one |
| 17:23.36 | Pryon | mastro: the path |
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| 17:24.17 | willy | someone can help me? |
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| 17:24.26 | abrotman | did you ask a question? |
| 17:24.40 | mastro | Pryon: it does NOT work: apt-get install something ---> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | mastro: are you root? |
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| 17:24.54 | willy | i whant to put an interface to debian 4.0 |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | an interface? |
| 17:25.04 | mastro | Pryon: but if I try: lsof /var/lib/dpkg it say nothing |
| 17:25.10 | abrotman | willy: please keep it in the channel |
| 17:25.14 | willy | yes |
| 17:25.17 | johnmn3 | hello |
| 17:25.20 | willy | sorry for my english |
| 17:25.24 | willy | i have an server |
| 17:25.25 | Pryon | mastro: are you running apt-get as root? |
| 17:25.27 | willy | whit debian |
| 17:25.32 | filePeter | willy: good |
| 17:25.34 | willy | i whant to get in by vnc |
| 17:25.42 | themill | mastro: are you running lsof as root? |
| 17:25.44 | azeem_ | mastro: /var/lib/dpkg is a directory, not a file |
| 17:25.47 | abrotman | mastro: and Debian recommends that you use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 17:25.52 | mastro | abrotman: yes i'm root :) i'm not a newbie... I'm just helping a user that don't know which problam he is executing.. and I don't have access to her pc.... I never happen to check "what" is locking dpkg... |
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| 17:25.59 | azeem_ | not sure lsof supports that |
| 17:26.04 | themill | mastro: it should be: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 17:26.05 | mastro | themill: yes |
| 17:26.06 | abrotman | mastro: is there a /var/lib/dpkg/lock ? |
| 17:26.14 | mastro | azeem_: I know... |
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| 17:26.33 | mastro | abrotman: I know but I don't like apt-get.. and let me check |
| 17:26.42 | johnmn3 | What are common commands for synaptic/apt-get to use when it becomes corrupted? |
| 17:26.43 | mastro | abrotman: (don't like aptitutde off course) |
| 17:26.57 | abrotman | what's wrong with aptitude? |
| 17:27.07 | azeem_ | johnmn3: rather explain your problem |
| 17:27.26 | johnmn3 | I keep doing updates, but it's telling me all kinds of programs that should be available are not |
| 17:27.45 | azeem_ | johnmn3: run apt-cache policy on them |
| 17:28.09 | themill | johnmn3: sounds like you need to fix your sources.list or your last "aptitude update" failed. |
| 17:28.12 | johnmn3 | ok, that's "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 17:28.20 | azeem_ | "on them" |
| 17:28.25 | themill | johnmn3: yeah, pastebin the output of that command. |
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| 17:28.30 | filePeter | willy: Why would you want that? You canât administrate most of the serversoftware with an Xconfigurator anyway |
| 17:28.39 | mastro | abrotman: it simples does too much.. It should do exactly what I say and nothing else.. and that's apt-get. when i launch aptitude it just do a lot of things that i NEVER asked it to do |
| 17:28.43 | johnmn3 | I have a hunch it's my sources.list, but I couldn't see anything out of the ordinary |
| 17:29.03 | abrotman | mastro: maybe try 'aptitude install foo' instead of apt-get |
| 17:29.15 | mastro | abrotman: i'm talking exactly of that |
| 17:29.28 | abrotman | johnmn3: so put htem in a pastebin .. let us double check |
| 17:29.32 | themill | mastro: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 17:29.35 | abrotman | mastro: okay .. whatever .. is the lock file there ? |
| 17:29.38 | mastro | abrotman: when there are conflict apt-get just tell me there are and then I can manually solve them... |
| 17:29.48 | mastro | themill: uh.. that's interesting |
| 17:29.48 | johnmn3 | to my dismay, I just tried sudo aptitude install vlc and it finally says "ok, here's your dependencies, yes?" :/ |
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| 17:30.01 | johnmn3 | let me try a few more to see if it's completely fixed |
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| 17:30.21 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 17:30.21 | mastro | abrotman: waiting the user to reply :) |
| 17:30.35 | ZenWalker | the scroll bar of volume on audacious not rules, ?= |
| 17:30.48 | abrotman | mastro: what OS is the user using ? |
| 17:31.06 | mastro | it never happen to me to "not know if I have a program using dpkg opened" and so I never had to check "which" program is using it |
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| 17:31.18 | mastro | abrotman: I think she's using ubuntu |
| 17:31.32 | abrotman | mastro: then you should be asking #ubuntu for assistance |
| 17:32.14 | mastro | abrotman: lol.. I use debian and I ask here for assistance :) I just want to know how to check which application is locking dpkg.. and that's a debian stuff anyway |
| 17:32.34 | abrotman | mastro: the OS in question is Ubuntu, we could give a command that could destroy an ubuntu box |
| 17:32.34 | mastro | abrotman: and you already replied me.. so thanks you all |
| 17:32.50 | ZenWalker | please, the volume scroll bar on audacious not rules |
| 17:32.54 | abrotman | not work ? |
| 17:33.00 | mastro | abrotman: I hardly think so :P don't be a full.. lsof killing an operating system? |
| 17:33.09 | mastro | s/full/fool |
| 17:33.11 | ZenWalker | not work |
| 17:33.17 | abrotman | mastro: please go to #ubuntu for support, Ubuntu is offtopic here |
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| 17:33.38 | mastro | abrotman: I never talked of ubuntu.. I was talking about debian AND dpkg |
| 17:33.45 | ZenWalker | the scroll move but the volume is equal |
| 17:33.46 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 17:33.50 | mastro | abrotman: and anyway you already replied.. i've no more questions |
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| 17:33.59 | abrotman | ZenWalker: look at which audio output plugin you're using |
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| 17:34.14 | ZenWalker | ok... |
| 17:34.36 | johnmn3 | in full disclosure, I'm running ubuntu here. I'd have asked at #ubuntu if it weren't the blind leading the blind in there |
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| 17:34.44 | mastro | abrotman: you guys are riddiculus with this OS war between debian and ubuntu.. fedora vs ubuntu or whatever.. this is the main issue with linux spreading out |
| 17:34.52 | ZenWalker | alsa output plugin |
| 17:35.01 | azeem_ | mastro: please keep it on topic |
| 17:35.01 | abrotman | mastro: it's the channel policy. Please don't argue |
| 17:35.10 | \amethyst | mastro: it's not a war... it's just that this is a Debian support channel |
| 17:35.45 | abrotman | willys: keep it in the channel |
| 17:35.50 | \amethyst | mastro: just like you can't go to BMW to get help with your Volkswagen |
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| 17:35.55 | mastro | abrotman: I just thing ubuntu is debian a little tweeked. I use debian and i was asking a debian question.. I really don't understand why you should say i'm off-topic just because i'm asking it to help a friend using ubuntu |
| 17:36.04 | \amethyst | mastro: or maybe I should say Porsche and Volkswagen |
| 17:36.06 | abrotman | mastro: no, it's NOT a debian question |
| 17:36.13 | mastro | lol |
| 17:36.18 | mastro | dpkg is not a debian question? |
| 17:36.19 | dpkg | mastro: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:36.28 | mastro | please... |
| 17:36.30 | themill | mastro: ubuntu has large patches against things like dpkg and apt -- please stop trying to tell us that it's Debian question and please stop arguing. |
| 17:36.36 | azeem | mastro: drop it |
| 17:36.36 | abrotman | mastro: Ubuntu gave your friend her dpkg/aptitude .. it may not work the same as the one in Debian .. Ubuntu is not supported in #debian, this is a Debian support channel |
| 17:36.44 | mastro | bah |
| 17:36.49 | mastro | thank you anyway |
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| 17:36.51 | ZenWalker | I am using debian |
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| 17:37.11 | EasyTUX | eh. |
| 17:37.24 | johnmn3 | some times I go to #gentoo if I have a question that is not debian/ubuntu specific.. very helpful. I actually have a question about debian |
| 17:37.41 | EasyTUX | "ZenWalk"er : I am using debian |
| 17:37.52 | EasyTUX | eh. |
| 17:37.56 | ZenWalker | ¿? |
| 17:38.02 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:38.19 | ZenWalker | ZenWalker is my nick |
| 17:38.20 | abrotman | ZenWalker: i told you to look at something |
| 17:38.32 | EasyTUX | ZenWalk"er: didn't you tried ZenWalk distro ? |
| 17:38.33 | ZenWalker | but I am using debian |
| 17:38.36 | ZenWalker | what is the problem? |
| 17:38.37 | johnmn3 | I tried it about 2 years and, from what I remember, it didn't default to using sudo from a non-admin account, like ubuntu does |
| 17:38.39 | ZenWalker | yes, I know |
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| 17:38.53 | ZenWalker | but I am using debian |
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| 17:38.57 | abrotman | ZenWalker: i told you to look at something |
| 17:39.12 | johnmn3 | does the latest default to that style? using sudo for most things? |
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| 17:39.34 | ZenWalker | abrotman: I am using alsa output plugin |
| 17:39.35 | abrotman | johnmn3: you can setup sudo if you want it |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | ZenWalker: gnome? kde? |
| 17:39.51 | ZenWalker | gnome |
| 17:39.55 | EasyTUX | thinks Debianer name must ne registered... |
| 17:39.58 | johnmn3 | right |
| 17:40.14 | abrotman | ZenWalker: if you go into the volume settings, do you have a PCM setting? |
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| 17:40.21 | paxcoder | I have an ancient printer, and it just won't stop printing. I wasn't able to see jobs in a GUI, but lpq lists them. However, lprm command doesn't clear queue for me as it should. It simply prints "lprm: The printer or class was not found.". Help? |
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| 17:40.55 | ZenWalker | abrotman: yes |
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| 17:41.01 | johnmn3 | paxcoder: can you cancel the job on the printer? |
| 17:41.06 | abrotman | does that change the volume ? |
| 17:41.17 | abrotman | paxcoder: unplug it? |
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| 17:41.37 | paxcoder | abrotman: doesn't work. |
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| 17:41.48 | johnmn3 | what an office scene |
| 17:41.49 | abrotman | paxcoder: it doesn't work if you unplug the printer? |
| 17:42.10 | abrotman | wonders hwo the printer prints with no power |
| 17:42.13 | johnmn3 | he plugs it back in and it starts printing again |
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| 17:42.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: it doesn't clear the queue. Also, I could read it even when it was unplugged |
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| 17:42.29 | paxcoder | johnmn3: yes. |
| 17:42.43 | johnmn3 | oh, I was joking... |
| 17:42.57 | paxcoder | abrotman: *read the queue with lpq |
| 17:43.13 | johnmn3 | um, is it networked or usb or the old printer connector? |
| 17:43.19 | azeem | the queue is on your computer, not on your printer |
| 17:43.24 | paxcoder | johnmn3: old lpt one. |
| 17:43.44 | ZenWalker | 18:41 < abrotman> does that change the volume ? |
| 17:43.46 | paxcoder | azeem: yes it would seem so :-) but that only makes the error message stranger. |
| 17:43.46 | ZenWalker | yes |
| 17:43.55 | johnmn3 | so, if you disconnect the lpt, and cycle the power, it doesn't keep printing while disconnected, right? |
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| 17:44.10 | paxcoder | ZenWalker: wow, you're in my timezone. German? ;-) |
| 17:44.17 | ZenWalker | but on audacious the bar not change the volume |
| 17:44.26 | ZenWalker | Spain :P |
| 17:44.31 | paxcoder | johnmn3: can try if you wish... |
| 17:44.59 | johnmn3 | well, that'd determine if there's a queue on the printer that's borked |
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| 17:45.15 | U2 | from Pakistan here =) |
| 17:45.22 | johnmn3 | though I don't see how it could hold it's queue after a power cycle |
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| 17:45.31 | johnmn3 | U2: Afghanistan here! |
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| 17:45.40 | Gm4n | I just formatted a device as ext4, but now it won't mount (mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'). What gives? |
| 17:45.42 | U2 | *really*? |
| 17:45.47 | johnmn3 | Brother :P |
| 17:45.55 | paxcoder | johnmn3: it's now disconnected from the pc, i powered it on/off, so the printer's queue is clear. the pc one is still readable via lpq |
| 17:45.56 | johnmn3 | yea |
| 17:46.08 | U2 | in the army? |
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| 17:46.17 | johnmn3 | roger that |
| 17:46.17 | abrotman | Gm4n: which version of debian ? |
| 17:46.26 | U2 | :) cool |
| 17:46.29 | Gm4n | lenny |
| 17:46.34 | abrotman | Gm4n: with the .26 kernel ? |
| 17:46.46 | Gm4n | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:46.56 | abrotman | Gm4n: that would be ext4_dev i believe |
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| 17:47.02 | paxcoder | johnmn3: no idea? |
| 17:47.09 | johnmn3 | paxcoder: mmm.. ok, so I don't know.. perhaps restarting the services, cups, lpq, dunno :( |
| 17:47.17 | azeem | paxcoder: remove the jobs |
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| 17:47.21 | Gm4n | so should I install the ext_dev package, or should I reformat as ext3? |
| 17:47.44 | johnmn3 | U2: are you from Pakistan? |
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| 17:47.59 | U2 | yes... |
| 17:48.00 | U2 | why? |
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| 17:48.03 | U2 | :) |
| 17:48.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:48.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 17:48.18 | paxcoder | azeem: how? |
| 17:48.31 | azeem | lprm I think |
| 17:48.33 | paxcoder | azeem: is that supposed to be funny or what? |
| 17:48.34 | abrotman | Gm4n: ti's already installed .. and yes, you shold probably just use ext3 |
| 17:48.41 | johnmn3 | just wondering. I'm not likely to see anyone from afghanistan on freenode |
| 17:48.54 | U2 | hmmm |
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| 17:49.23 | MrTorque | how to clear the comand-prompt? pressing BACKSPACE for 8 seconds sucks |
| 17:49.30 | heroid | im having a problem |
| 17:49.33 | heroid | with apt-get |
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| 17:49.39 | heroid | with sudo actually |
| 17:49.40 | Gm4n | will do abrotman, thanks |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | MrTorque: ctrl-c |
| 17:49.45 | U2 | are you just serving in afghanistan or are you actually an afghani? |
| 17:49.49 | heroid | its telling me im not in the sudoers list |
| 17:49.54 | abrotman | U2: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:50.01 | abrotman | heroid: so configure sudo |
| 17:50.09 | U2 | ok abortman |
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| 17:50.29 | mhymn | MrTorque: ctrl-w even |
| 17:50.48 | heroid | how do i do that |
| 17:51.02 | abrotman | man sudoers |
| 17:51.09 | farri | I am trying to implement token-based authentication for serving rtsp from my webpage, has someone here experience with darwin streaming server and apache in a debian machine? |
| 17:51.16 | heroid | thanks |
| 17:51.42 | paxcoder | azeem: lprm: The printer or class was not found. |
| 17:52.11 | azeem | paxcoder: then you are doing something wrong |
| 17:52.18 | azeem | what command are you running exactly? |
| 17:52.18 | heroid | man sudoers and then? |
| 17:52.22 | azeem | heroid: read |
| 17:52.32 | paxcoder | azeem: lprm - as well as lprm <username> doesn't wwork |
| 17:52.46 | azeem | paxcoder: did you read the lprm documentation? |
| 17:52.49 | paxcoder | azeem: i followed http://www.ehow.com/how_2064956_use-lprm-remove-jobs-from.html |
| 17:52.51 | valdyn | paxcoder: why the hell do you think lprm takes a username ? |
| 17:52.58 | paxcoder | the above |
| 17:53.07 | valdyn | paxcoder: run lpq first, then lprm <number> |
| 17:53.25 | paxcoder | valdyn: same error |
| 17:53.30 | azeem | paxcoder: there's different lprm implementation, you know |
| 17:53.46 | valdyn | paxcoder: same error on which command |
| 17:53.47 | paxcoder | didn't know that. |
| 17:53.56 | paxcoder | valdyn: lprm job number |
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| 17:54.07 | valdyn | paxcoder: is the job number listed in lpq? |
| 17:54.12 | paxcoder | yes |
| 17:55.10 | MrTorque | abrotman, mhymn thank you a lot. |
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| 17:55.17 | valdyn | paxcoder: did you use cups to setup your printer? |
| 17:55.31 | abrotman | why wouldn't you just read the lprm man page on your system? |
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| 17:55.52 | valdyn | those 2 commands are ok |
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| 17:56.08 | paxcoder | valdyn: i don't remember. i used the gui here :-) |
| 17:56.15 | valdyn | paxcoder: which gui? |
| 17:56.30 | paxcoder | abrotman: i did. says the same thing the page and these guys said, which i tried and wwhich failed. |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn | paxcoder: is the package cups-bsd installed? |
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| 17:57.07 | paxcoder | valdyn: system-config-printer i think |
| 17:57.16 | valdyn | paxcoder: ok - that configures cups |
| 17:57.31 | valdyn | judd: versions cups-bsd |
| 17:57.32 | judd | valdyn: cups-bsd -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny6 squeeze: 1.4.1-4 sid: 1.4.1-5 |
| 17:57.33 | valdyn | judd: versions cupsys-bsd |
| 17:57.35 | judd | valdyn: cupsys-bsd -- etch: 1.2.7-4etch6 etch-security: 1.2.7-4+etch8 sid: 1.3.8-1lenny3 etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 sid: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny6 experimental: 1.3.9-12 squeeze: 1.4.1-4 sid: 1.4.1-5 |
| 17:57.58 | paxcoder | valdyn: seems so. |
| 17:58.27 | paxcoder | valdyn: yes |
| 17:58.37 | valdyn | paxcoder: dpkg -S $(which lprm) |
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| 17:59.13 | paxcoder | valdyn: cups-bsd: /usr/bin/lprm |
| 17:59.27 | valdyn | paxcoder: all nice |
| 17:59.36 | heroid | where is the sudoers file located? |
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| 17:59.41 | paxcoder | not all :-) |
| 17:59.47 | valdyn | paxcoder: try http://localhost:631/ |
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| 17:59.57 | valdyn | paxcoder: you should be able to remove print jobs there aswell |
| 17:59.57 | azeem | maybe you don't have the necessary permissions and the error message is confusing |
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| 18:00.26 | paxcoder | azeem: i tried root. will try web UI |
| 18:01.32 | gasull | Hi. My laptop goes to sleep when I don't use for a while, despite I've configured it not to go to sleep. Also, when it's sleeping it doesn't come back to life and I have to switch it off and on. How can I see what's going on? Thank you. |
| 18:01.47 | paxcoder | valdyn: thanks for the tip. one was removed immediately, the other says "canceled at...", we'll see what happens. (nice new cups UI) |
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| 18:02.59 | mhymn | heroid: i guess you need to read 'man visudo' too |
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| 18:03.28 | paxcoder | i'll try and connect the printer now |
| 18:03.31 | heroid | ahh crap this is too much for me |
| 18:03.32 | heroid | :P |
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| 18:03.40 | heroid | but i'll do it |
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| 18:05.02 | paxcoder | azeem: as soon as I connected the printer, it started printing again. however, this seemed to have been the last job (others were canceled), so it's fine now. thanks. |
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| 18:08.21 | paxcoder | azeem: sorry for bothering, but it started printing that notorious ASCII again |
| 18:08.42 | paxcoder | azeem: (i tried to start a new job) |
| 18:09.05 | farri | I am trying to implement token-based authentication for serving rtsp from my webpage, has someone here experience with darwin streaming server and apache in a debian machine? |
| 18:09.06 | azeem | I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 18:10.03 | paxcoder | azeem: my ancient printer gets confused at times, and instead of documents, starts printing strange characters |
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| 18:10.20 | paxcoder | azeem: that's why i tried to stop it. but it just doesn't want to stop the last job |
| 18:10.34 | valdyn | paxcoder: switching off and on during a print job does that |
| 18:10.45 | paxcoder | valdyn: yeah. |
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| 18:11.32 | paxcoder | valdyn: although i didn't expect it continue doing that with new jobs |
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| 18:12.29 | valdyn | paxcoder: how would you know that its a new job? |
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| 18:13.12 | paxcoder | valdyn: the old job disappeared, because it was finished, and then i tried to print a new one. as soon as i hit the print button, it started printing this cr*p again. |
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| 18:13.30 | valdyn | paxcoder: theres caching involved that can be pretty huge if its printed as ascii instead of dots |
| 18:13.33 | azeem | sounds like a driver issue rather, I guess |
| 18:13.46 | paxcoder | azeem: it did work |
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| 18:14.02 | paxcoder | valdyn: i know, but it stopped printing. and the job disappeared. |
| 18:14.15 | valdyn | paxcoder: hmm, that could have been because it just missed a line or page feed, but still old data |
| 18:14.22 | paxcoder | valdyn: and then it stayed cool until i started printing again. |
| 18:14.47 | paxcoder | valdyn: trust me, will ya :-) |
| 18:15.20 | paxcoder | anyway, the queue is clear again, and there are no jobs. what do you suggest i do? plug it out and then try the new job? |
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| 18:15.37 | paxcoder | (after plugging in again) |
| 18:15.40 | valdyn | paxcoder: no, just reset the printer itself |
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| 18:15.55 | paxcoder | ok, but i did that the last time... :-/ |
| 18:16.01 | fhd | Hi. I'm on a debian testing system here, but I need an older version of a specific package. Can I somehow list all available versions? |
| 18:16.09 | valdyn | paxcoder: that does do what replugging it does |
| 18:16.16 | azeem | fhd: there is only one version available for testing |
| 18:16.18 | valdyn | paxcoder: it just adds the printer reset on top |
| 18:16.29 | fhd | azeem: ah, I see. shoot. thanks :) |
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| 18:16.44 | paxcoder | will try a small text file as a test first. |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn | paxcoder: is it a line or page printer? |
| 18:17.18 | paxcoder | any shell progs to keep it really text? |
| 18:17.30 | abrotman | as opposed to? |
| 18:17.35 | paxcoder | valdyn: what's the difference? |
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| 18:18.02 | paxcoder | abrotman: gedit ads its own font, i'd presume that's graphics rather than text mode which i also presume exists... |
| 18:18.16 | paxcoder | *adds |
| 18:18.49 | azeem | is this a dot-matrix printer? |
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| 18:19.01 | azeem | I don't think text mode exists for inkjet or laser printers |
| 18:19.05 | paxcoder | azeem: no. ink-jet. (epson stylus color 4400) |
| 18:19.10 | azeem | unless you consider postscript text-mode |
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| 18:19.44 | Supaplex | azeem: my hp laserjet will print from plain old school ascii just fine |
| 18:19.52 | abrotman | i think maybe he means like enscript? |
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| 18:20.36 | azeem | Supaplex: because your cups printer driver translates it to postscript |
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| 18:23.05 | Supaplex | back when agp did not exist, you can print to lpt1. I still remember dir /a > lpt1: |
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| 18:25.00 | paxcoder | azeem: now it just spews out blank paper |
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| 18:25.10 | paxcoder | meh |
| 18:26.01 | Supaplex | well that is how it saves ink :P |
| 18:26.04 | paxcoder | some other time when it's feeling friendlier i guess |
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| 18:27.12 | paxcoder | ooo. it printer out few arbitrary chars on this one. nice. |
| 18:27.15 | RoStEr | -bash: svn: command not found |
| 18:27.21 | RoStEr | apt-get install svn? |
| 18:27.26 | abrotman | !tell RoStEr about apt-file |
| 18:27.52 | RoStEr | I know how to do it doh |
| 18:27.56 | RoStEr | I just dont know svn package name |
| 18:28.00 | RoStEr | and I did apt-cache search svn |
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| 18:28.10 | abrotman | apt-file .. not apt-cache |
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| 18:40.42 | r12dk | is it possible to get the lenny installer to recognize my promise sata raid controller? it sees the raid as 2 seperate disks... :( |
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| 18:46.06 | willy | hy all |
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| 18:46.16 | willy | someone can help to install a vnc on a kde? |
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| 18:47.47 | suied | hey, when I try to install Debian on my computer, it doesn't find any of my partitions, instead saying that my entire harddrive is unallocated space (which is wrong); any idea why? |
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| 18:48.05 | azeem | suied: maybe it's a LVM? |
| 18:48.54 | patrikf | suied: what kind of computer is it? |
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| 18:49.17 | suied | patrikf: HP Compaq |
| 18:49.20 | patrikf | suied: what operating system did you have on it before or parallel to installing debian? |
| 18:49.39 | suied | I have WinXP on it now, and recently removed Fedora Core 10 |
| 18:49.54 | TTimo | hello .. is there an easy way to have all installed packages on one system get installed on another (e.g. I am setting up a second server and I want the same package set as my current one)? |
| 18:50.01 | patrikf | suied: and you have just one harddisk in your computer? |
| 18:50.09 | suied | patrikf: correct |
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| 18:50.29 | patrikf | suied: what ISO image did you use? (the original filename would be nice) |
| 18:51.02 | suied | patrikf: debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:51.31 | patrikf | suied: are you familiar with cfdisk or any other command-line partitioning tool for linux? |
| 18:51.52 | suied | patrikf: Nope, all I've really used is GParted |
| 18:52.21 | willy | how i can install a vnc on debian 4.0 |
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| 18:52.39 | radoe | TTimo: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 18:52.47 | TTimo | ty |
| 18:53.37 | patrikf | suied: hm. drop into a shell (the installer has a menu option for that somewhere) and type "sfdisk -l /dev/hda" or whatever your harddisk is (maybe /dev/sda), and see whether it lists your partitions or not |
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| 18:54.55 | suied | patrikf: mk, be back in a few |
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| 19:03.57 | innociv | Anyone know much about the n900 debian based OS? Maemo. I was curious whether pretty much any debian software would run on it or not |
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| 19:04.54 | abrotman | innociv: there is a #maemo that might know more |
| 19:05.41 | innociv | .. Serious? |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | has 400 users |
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| 19:14.56 | Shockcore | how can we rescan scsi bus, since we just plug a new scsi disk, i want to see it in fdisk ... |
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| 19:21.26 | chomwitt | isnt webmin in lenny repository? |
| 19:23.30 | elmovato | no, thats gay |
| 19:23.54 | mhymn | chomwitt: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 19:25.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell elmovato -about gay |
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| 19:26.02 | elmovato | divorced? |
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| 19:28.20 | elmovato | *hik* |
| 19:28.37 | paxcoder | !tell paxcoder -about gay |
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| 19:29.27 | paxcoder | yeah that was disgusting |
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| 19:30.46 | suied | patrikf: tried the sfdisk command, did not list the partitions |
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| 19:38.52 | mirak | hi |
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| 19:40.26 | linduxed | hey guys |
| 19:40.42 | linduxed | ive got a server running with lenny installed on it |
| 19:40.48 | linduxed | stable |
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| 19:41.21 | simonrvn | that's nice. works well? |
| 19:41.35 | linduxed | i wanted to install a commandline rss reader, so i came across NRSS, but from what i can tell it's deprecated by the developers |
| 19:42.17 | patrikf | suied: but windows still boots? |
| 19:42.27 | simonrvn | my question is, why would you install that on a server? |
| 19:42.48 | linduxed | simonrvn: so it pulls the feeds i have automatically |
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| 19:43.25 | patrikf | linduxed: a friend of mine swears on newsbeuter |
| 19:43.28 | linduxed | simonrvn: i hope it has support for automatically downloading linked stuff like videos (some of the feeds are podcasts) |
| 19:43.35 | cusco | what provides javac ? |
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| 19:47.23 | gasull | How can I know why my laptop is getting frozen? |
| 19:47.45 | gasull | s/getting frozen/freezing/ |
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| 19:48.29 | suied | patrikf: yes, Windows boots fine, and the partition manager I use on Windows detects both of my partitions |
| 19:48.56 | gasull | I mean, what logs can I look at? |
| 19:49.51 | xand | how can I get iceweasel's page setup to let me change paper size? it's set to Letter and greyed out and I want to set to A4 (which the printer is set to in CUPS) |
| 19:50.36 | j_14 | gasull: kern.log would be a good place to start |
| 19:51.07 | gasull | xand: File -> Page setup |
| 19:51.08 | somiaj | gasull: depends on when and why it is freezing? is it random or does it occur at various times. Usually if your kernel is fine the most common reason for freezing is hardware, and sometimes hardware (overheating/bad ram) just cause lockups without time to put things in the logs. /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/messages can sometimes be useful. Just start looking though them. |
| 19:51.25 | xand | gasull: I said it's greyed out. |
| 19:51.31 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm running squeeze. i got an issue with my SB Z pcmcia: http://pastebin.com/m11ebaae5 |
| 19:51.36 | xand | gasull: oh, sorry. |
| 19:51.45 | xand | gasull: will it remember that? |
| 19:51.47 | project2501a | clues would be appreciated |
| 19:52.13 | gasull | xand: maybe you don't have write permission wherever it's trying to write that config info |
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| 19:52.51 | xand | I have ot change the option for every page :| |
| 19:53.39 | gasull | somiaj: When I stop using my laptop it starts the screensaver, and after a while it seems to be suspended, but then I cannot un-suspend it, and I have to switch it off and on. And I have my laptop configured NOT to suspend. |
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| 19:55.25 | somiaj | gasull: ahh, in that case it does sound like a acpi issue. I am not familar with laptops since I don't use them, but my guess is something is configured to suspend your laptop, or try to and that is your issue. |
| 19:56.14 | somiaj | gasull: but start parsing though /var/log, I'd think such a 'starting suspend' or 'hibernate' will be marked in the logs somehwere, though I wouldn't know which one to look in |
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| 19:57.06 | gasull | somiaj: http://dpaste.com/114725/ |
| 19:57.40 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm running squeeze. i got an issue with my SB Z pcmcia: http://pastebin.com/m11ebaae5 . clues would be appreciated :) |
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| 19:58.43 | iuri | hi there |
| 19:59.04 | somiaj | gasull: most likely what your looking for won't be in the tail of the logs since by the time you can read them your machine has rebooted and put a bunch more info in the logs. Start parsing them see if you can find something. Or double check all your acpi settings and make sure you have actually disabled anything that will suspend/hibernate your laptop after a period of time. That is the only advise I can give. |
| 19:59.15 | iuri | hi do i allow port 80 to be opened by users on debian |
| 19:59.28 | project2501a | iuri: come again? |
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| 20:00.12 | somiaj | iuri: by default there is no firewall on debian iteslf and the port is open. If you haven't configured a custom firewall to block port 80, it could be something else such as your router, network or even isp |
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| 20:02.26 | cr3rzemjest | long mc path - wat do. i want short |
| 20:02.26 | gasull | somiaj: I think you're right. This is from /var/log/syslog: http://dpaste.com/114730/ An ACPI error. |
| 20:02.53 | cr3rzemjest | i know PS1 is in bash but i have short path there |
| 20:02.55 | iuri | somiaj, no it isnt that. the scenario is i set up an aolserver instance on port 8090, but when i change to port 80 the lo says permission denied |
| 20:03.09 | cr3rzemjest | suddenly mc displays whole path /asda/d/as/da/dwd//d |
| 20:03.20 | cr3rzemjest | halp halp halp |
| 20:03.36 | iuri | project2501a, no it isnt that. the scenario is i set up an aolserver instance on port 8090, but when i change to port 80 the lo says permission denied |
| 20:04.52 | project2501a | iuri: yes, because port 80 is not a user-land port. you'll have to start the aolserver instance as root, while making sure that nothing else is listening on that port, eg apache |
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| 20:06.07 | iuri | project2501a, right! i can start it on 80 manually but when i put daemontools to do that it starts as the application user |
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| 20:06.36 | marcin | Hello. Can U tell which sysctl variable corresponds to number of max established tcp connections in Linux? |
| 20:07.54 | iuri | project2501a, for example, i use this command to set up aolserver exec /usr/local/aolserver/bin/nsd-postgres -it /usr/local/aolserver/servers/openacs/etc/config.tcl -u openacs -g web |
| 20:08.18 | iuri | project2501a, but daemontools runs it as openacs instead of root |
| 20:08.26 | project2501a | um, yes? |
| 20:08.33 | project2501a | -u openacs ? |
| 20:08.48 | iuri | project2501a, so the question is how do i make daemontools run it as root |
| 20:09.21 | iuri | because, if put -u root in the command the aolserver instance crashes |
| 20:09.38 | project2501a | why does it crash? |
| 20:10.49 | iuri | when i put -u root -g root the service shows up properly in the ps -ef : root 2428 2411 44 10:17 ? 00:00:04 /usr/local/aolserver/bin/nsd -it /usr/local/aolserver/servers/openacs/etc/config.tcl -u openacs -g web |
| 20:11.05 | iuri | when i put -u root -g root the service shows up properly in the ps -ef : root 2428 2411 44 10:17 ? 00:00:04 /usr/local/aolserver/bin/nsd -it /usr/local/aolserver/servers/openacs/etc/config.tcl -u root -g root |
| 20:11.17 | project2501a | iuri: give me 10 minutes, mate. i feel a hypoglycemia coming on |
| 20:11.22 | iuri | project2501a, the first one is the desired the last is what i get |
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| 20:12.23 | iuri | i want to break a part the users here. the user who runs the daemontools aplication and the user of aolserver service |
| 20:12.41 | iuri | project2501a, what is hypoglycemia: |
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| 20:13.59 | gasull | somiaj: Any hint about what to do now? I'm googling as hard as I can. |
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| 20:14.56 | calaen0_ | Is there a way to tell a courier IMAP server to NOT delete emails from a client when they are missing on a server? Recovering from a server crash - and since I restored from an old data backup - I don't want IMAP clients to lose mail when they sync next. |
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| 20:17.02 | dondelelcaro | calaen0_: that's really up to the clients |
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| 20:20.30 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 20:20.54 | moqq | is it possible to install a package (e.g. apache2), but neither start apache2 nor add it to the startup symlinks in /etc/rc.x ? |
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| 20:21.11 | mifritscher | hi |
| 20:21.12 | cr3rzemjest | how do i unsee gnome power manager while running KDE. i dont want to uninstall it. and it can run in the background it doesnt bother me, i just dont want 2 icons for same thing |
| 20:21.37 | mifritscher | what is the status of openvz+squezze - yust stumbled over http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg47687.html |
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| 20:25.00 | daf999 | what is active *anon* pages? |
| 20:25.20 | dondelelcaro | moqq: yes |
| 20:25.45 | dondelelcaro | moqq: by default it'll start, but you can easily stop it by using policy-rc.d, and then turning the S links into K links (or disabling the init script) |
| 20:28.06 | dondelelcaro | mifritscher: basically, it'll likely not be supported in the kernel unless someone comes forward to drive it |
| 20:28.31 | dondelelcaro | mifritscher: that said, if it's something that you're interested in, I'm sure the kernel team would love to have your assistance in supporting openvz |
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| 20:29.36 | mifritscher | dondelelcaro: do you know about other people working an this? According to http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1407 , some people from openvz seem to help, but didn't found anything |
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| 20:30.03 | dondelelcaro | mifritscher: the team that is working on it is the Debian Kernel team; I don't know who specifically (if anyone) is working on openvz |
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| 20:30.56 | mifritscher | ah, ok, I unterstandthe sentence this way that debian+openvz people work together for this |
| 20:31.37 | dondelelcaro | mifritscher: openvz has done some work to make it supported in the past, but it's not clear if they're going to commit to the work going forward |
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| 20:32.50 | mifritscher | dondelelcaro - do you know if there is any workingplace on which I can find ideas. patches etc. to prevent double work? |
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| 20:33.56 | Gm4n | my mdadm raid5 set says it's degraded, but all the drives are present and /proc/mdstat doesn't say it's resyncing. What does that mean? |
| 20:34.03 | calaen0_ | Have a grub-related issue: re-created a root disk for a server from a backup, ran grub, setup (hd0) and all, and when I try to boot, I get Grub Error 2. The files are all there, and everything seems proper - any clues on what I can do? |
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| 20:35.43 | dondelelcaro | mifritscher: I'd ask on the debian-kernel@lists.debian.org mailing list, and possibly on the openvz mailing list |
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| 20:37.35 | valio | hi |
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| 20:37.45 | valio | I have a little problem with cron jobs |
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| 20:38.36 | valio | bostko2@mail:/$ crontab -l |
| 20:38.36 | valio | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 20:38.36 | valio | 5 * * * * /home/www/dev.lionmv.com/htdocs/kursova/what_is_happening/trunk2/cache.php |
| 20:38.48 | valio | I'm with debian sid |
| 20:39.00 | valio | a week ago I dist-upgraded from debian lenny |
| 20:40.07 | valio | http://pastebin.com/d4c2cb323 |
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| 20:40.51 | valio | it doesn't execute my script |
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| 20:41.43 | JPT | is your php-script having the +x flag? |
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| 20:42.02 | JPT | does it begin with #! /usr/bin/php5 or something else matching your php installation? |
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| 20:44.41 | OpenTokix | HackeMate: Great |
| 20:44.56 | aum | hi - i recently did an 'apt-get upgrade' on my sid gnome workstation - now my keyboard's cursor/navigation keys come up disabled, and I have to change my keyboard model in gnome 'keyboard preferences' to get the cursor keys working again - any ideas? |
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| 20:47.02 | cosimo | i have debian live, but i want to use it to instal debian, is there a way i can edit the boot command line so int runs the installer? |
| 20:47.35 | azeem | cosimo: I don't think so |
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| 20:50.27 | simonrvn_ | !ops souNd on-join spam |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn_ complains about: souNd on-join spam |
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| 20:50.42 | abrotman | thanks |
| 20:50.47 | simonrvn_ | thanks |
| 20:51.05 | simonrvn_ | :) |
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| 20:52.07 | valdyn | Gm4n: it means that nothing accessed the raid |
| 20:52.36 | valdyn | Gm4n: raid syncs as soon as the first access happens, not by itself |
| 20:53.30 | wootR_ | I wonder how the motd could be saved, it went back to default after rebooting my server |
| 20:53.42 | valdyn | wootR_: oo |
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| 20:54.04 | valdyn | wootR_: /etc/motd is generated |
| 20:54.22 | wootR_ | oh .. |
| 20:54.41 | valdyn | wootR_: i think you just want to edit /etc/motd.tail |
| 20:54.58 | wootR_ | exactly, thank you |
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| 20:56.02 | valio | JPT, yes |
| 20:56.07 | valio | it is with 777 |
| 20:56.12 | JPT | hm...ok |
| 20:56.27 | JPT | so the script can be run manually |
| 20:56.32 | valio | yes |
| 20:56.35 | valio | with ./ |
| 20:56.56 | valio | it runned fine |
| 20:57.02 | valio | it is running fine |
| 20:57.08 | valio | on another pc with ubuntu |
| 20:57.23 | valdyn | !tell valio -about enter |
| 20:57.40 | JPT | hm...did you try to set up a usual cronjob on the same computer where your script is not being run? |
| 20:57.42 | valio | sorry :) |
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| 20:57.57 | simonrvn_ | JPT: and other people can write to it to.... not wise |
| 20:58.03 | lipstick_ | hey guys, I am looking for a program that will make my pc and internet much safer and it should be java based |
| 20:58.10 | simonrvn_ | too* |
| 20:58.18 | valdyn | lipstick_: why would a program make you safer? |
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| 20:58.25 | lipstick_ | actually, I was using it but I forgot its name |
| 20:58.25 | valdyn | lipstick_: the reverse is true |
| 20:58.29 | JPT | simonrvn: i did just ask for +x, not for 777 |
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| 20:58.41 | valdyn | lipstick_: the less programs you use, the safer you are |
| 20:58.48 | lipstick_ | yea I know ^^ |
| 20:58.56 | lipstick_ | but I need it |
| 20:59.19 | lipstick_ | it is slow and lame, but it makes the pc safe and proxy |
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| 20:59.25 | lipstick_ | and it was java based |
| 20:59.28 | valdyn | lipstick_: doesnt exist |
| 20:59.29 | module000 | lipstick_: i have no clue what you are asking for |
| 20:59.32 | lipstick_ | open source etc... |
| 20:59.36 | p3rror | please do you a formula to calculate all memory used by a process |
| 20:59.42 | valdyn | lipstick_: privoxy is good and neat, but not java based |
| 20:59.49 | module000 | p3rror: just look at `ps` output |
| 20:59.52 | valdyn | p3rror: 100% |
| 20:59.58 | module000 | p3rror: or run `top` |
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| 21:00.18 | valdyn | p3rror: its not that simple |
| 21:00.19 | p3rror | i think ps return the resident size set of a process |
| 21:00.28 | lipstick_ | one of my friend want to do some "very nasty" things on the net but she doesn't want to get caught |
| 21:00.36 | valdyn | lipstick_: so? |
| 21:00.44 | valdyn | lipstick_: you think we would support that? |
| 21:00.50 | JPT | if you don't want to get caught, don't do it |
| 21:00.55 | p3rror | valdyn, you are right it's not simple |
| 21:01.00 | lipstick_ | you don't have to support this behaviour |
| 21:01.09 | Cain | Hi, where to find informations about the ram used on a debian box ? (amount, type, bus frequency,manufactur...) |
| 21:01.18 | lipstick_ | she just need the "open-source" solution ^^ |
| 21:01.20 | valdyn | p3rror: mmap is very hard to track, shared memory is very hard or impossible to assign properly |
| 21:01.28 | module000 | lipstick_: down syndrome or not, a troll is a troll. go ask somewhere else. |
| 21:01.40 | valdyn | p3rror: rss is not to bad |
| 21:01.58 | lipstick_ | :< |
| 21:02.12 | p3rror | valdyn, if i understand the amm memory ~ shared + vsz + rss |
| 21:02.25 | p3rror | valdyn, if i understand the all memory ~ shared + vsz + rss |
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| 21:02.44 | valdyn | p3rror: well, shared is used by 1 or more programs, thats why its shared |
| 21:02.56 | valdyn | p3rror: virtual is not used at all |
| 21:03.21 | valdyn | p3rror: how do you know if virtual is backed by swap or by a file on disk? |
| 21:03.50 | valdyn | p3rror: so i wouldnt say its as easy as adding those up |
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| 21:06.09 | p3rror | valdyn, so rss is a near the real memory used |
| 21:06.15 | valdyn | p3rror: not at all |
| 21:06.27 | valdyn | p3rror: rss is a minimum |
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| 21:07.13 | p3rror | valdyn, so rss + mapped + vsz (if it is used) |
| 21:07.19 | valdyn | p3rror: no |
| 21:07.30 | p3rror | also ~ shared |
| 21:07.40 | valdyn | p3rror: you *cant* add vsz |
| 21:07.47 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:08.24 | valdyn | p3rror: i can mmap a 40G sized file |
| 21:08.34 | valdyn | p3rror: that will inflate my vsz, but not use any memory at all |
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| 21:09.37 | calaen0_ | Is there a way to tell a courier-pop3d server to not delete messages from the server? |
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| 21:10.46 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:11.57 | jelly-home | calaen0_: deleting messages is a function of the pop3 client. |
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| 21:12.16 | jelly-home | calaen0_: most can be set up to "keep messages on the server" or similar |
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| 21:15.11 | calaen0_ | jelly-home thank you! |
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| 21:21.04 | starenka | hi, my touchpad just stopped working, what should i do? it's really bizzare. i've tried remove psmouse module and add it, but no change :( |
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| 21:21.57 | valdyn | starenka: you are running which debian releasE? |
| 21:21.58 | JPT | starenka: anything in dmesg about it? |
| 21:22.13 | starenka | valdyn: yes lenny |
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| 21:22.41 | \\BAF\IRC | meh, is there any easy way to install mono 2.4 on etch? |
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| 21:22.49 | valdyn | starenka: what did you do to break it? |
| 21:22.56 | starenka | JPT, i panicked after trying whatever (also restarting x) and rebooted... i don't think there will be smthng |
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| 21:23.03 | JPT | mh |
| 21:23.10 | valdyn | starenka: what is "whatever" |
| 21:23.13 | starenka | valdyn: nothing... just running a shell script (some curl) |
| 21:23.15 | JPT | what did you do before it stopped working? :) |
| 21:23.25 | abrotman | \\BAF\IRC: i doubt it .. it'd be at backports.org if so |
| 21:23.40 | valdyn | starenka: a cold reboot is not exactly nothing |
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| 21:24.05 | starenka | i know.. i tried jic |
| 21:24.17 | valdyn | starenka: run gsynaptics |
| 21:24.32 | starenka | i use kde :) |
| 21:24.45 | valdyn | starenka: kde has its own tool to setup your touchpad? |
| 21:25.16 | starenka | valdyn: never seen it, but cant deny it. i dont have gsynaptics in path do |
| 21:25.19 | starenka | *tho |
| 21:25.26 | valdyn | starenka: then install gsynaptics and run it |
| 21:25.37 | starenka | i was about to say that |
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| 21:25.56 | \\BAF\IRC | k, thanks abrotman , i'll check |
| 21:26.29 | valdyn | starenka: and read and / or paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin site if gsynaptics cant fix it immediately |
| 21:27.15 | starenka | GSynaptics couldn't initialize. |
| 21:27.17 | starenka | You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics |
| 21:27.38 | valdyn | !gsynaptics |
| 21:27.42 | valdyn | starenka: yea |
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| 21:28.01 | starenka | http://crap.starenka.net/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:28.27 | starenka | (damn it's crazy moving w/out a mouse :D ) |
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| 21:28.54 | valdyn | starenka: its at /dev/input/event8 |
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| 21:29.01 | valdyn | starenka: you dont need psmouse |
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| 21:29.48 | starenka | i see, well but "how to make cursor move"? |
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| 21:30.08 | valdyn | starenka: can you show your /etc/X11/xorg.conf too? |
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| 21:30.13 | starenka | np |
| 21:30.24 | daishadar | how can i determine the repository origins of a package via the command line? |
| 21:30.28 | mjt | will it work w/o psmouse? Many tochpads are connected to ps/2 port.. |
| 21:30.33 | starenka | valdyn: http://crap.starenka.net/xorg.conf |
| 21:31.39 | starenka | valdyn: nothing special.. |
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| 21:33.11 | abrotman | !tell daishadar about which repo |
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| 21:35.19 | valdyn | starenka: ok, i have no idea why X isnt making your touchpad core pointer, but the pad is found |
| 21:35.28 | valdyn | starenka: so make it the core pointer explicitely |
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| 21:36.27 | starenka | it's funny that this happenes deliberately |
| 21:36.46 | valdyn | starenka: id doubt that its deliberately, were just not seeing the cause |
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| 21:37.41 | starenka | valdyn: how do i make it core pointer? |
| 21:38.03 | starenka | ( i can see the cursor, but it doesn't move nor the buttons work) |
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| 21:38.44 | mjt | what IS CorePointer, anyway? And what other pointers are there? |
| 21:38.56 | starenka | hardcore? |
| 21:38.59 | starenka | :_ |
| 21:39.04 | valdyn | starenka: Section "InputDevice" \ Identifier "foo" \ Driver "synaptics" \Option "Device" "/dev/input/input8" \ Option "CorePointer" \ EndSection |
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| 21:39.26 | valdyn | starenka: someting like that, im by no means a touchpad expert |
| 21:39.27 | mjt | and in ServerLayout too |
| 21:39.41 | valdyn | that may be optional |
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| 21:39.46 | starenka | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:39.50 | valdyn | no idea |
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| 21:40.14 | mjt | that /dev/input/event8 (it's event not input) is dynamic |
| 21:40.21 | valdyn | starenka: example: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/synaptics-touchpad-probleme-haenger-seltsame-/ |
| 21:40.27 | mjt | so it may be different on next boot |
| 21:40.32 | starenka | nice, but i can click it :D |
| 21:40.34 | valdyn | starenka: but much of the stuff in that example is redundant |
| 21:40.52 | starenka | okay |
| 21:41.17 | valdyn | yea, "event8", my bad |
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| 21:42.02 | valdyn | starenka: you could use /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/by-id/ |
| 21:42.37 | valdyn | starenka: and while youre at it, add the SHMConfig thing |
| 21:42.47 | simonrvn | !shmconfig |
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| 21:43.33 | starenka | !shmconfig |
| 21:43.44 | linux2 | can someone remind me how I can check and see what applications are using a certain module. I need to remove my soundcard module and reload it to change its index, but I don't know what is still using it |
| 21:44.08 | simonrvn | starenka: um you saw it didn't say anything so why repeat it? |
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| 21:44.30 | valdyn | linux2: "alsa force-unload" |
| 21:44.35 | starenka | i thought it sends you the mess as pm |
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| 21:45.12 | valdyn | linux2: but this is a bad idea |
| 21:45.19 | valdyn | linux2: you dont need to configure this via index |
| 21:45.59 | linux2 | valdyn, humm... ok |
| 21:46.06 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 21:46.10 | valdyn | !asound.conf |
| 21:46.13 | valdyn | oo |
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| 21:47.00 | valdyn | linux2: http://seehuhn.de/pages/alsa |
| 21:47.57 | linux2 | valdyn, is there any other way to check? at least so I can know what is using the sound module and possibly close it myself? |
| 21:48.45 | valdyn | linux2: lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 21:48.52 | valdyn | linux2: or fuser |
| 21:49.26 | linux2 | valdyn, I needed to set my primary sound card to index=0 so some applications would actually be able to playback sound through the card. This card is normally index=1 because I have another sound card hooked up. |
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| 21:51.00 | maligor | linux2, you can check that tho /dev/snd/*C1* |
| 21:51.13 | maligor | would give you all devices from 'Card 1' |
| 21:51.39 | maligor | index 0 would be Card 0 |
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| 21:52.08 | valdyn | i think he just wants static id assignment |
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| 21:53.06 | valdyn | ..which i use /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.local.conf for |
| 21:53.18 | linux2 | valdyn, yep, that is what I use |
| 21:53.22 | starenka | valdyn: i just made a cold start and it works (w/ou modifing xorg) stains on the sun,maybe? :D |
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| 21:53.34 | valdyn | starenka: so a hardware problem |
| 21:53.39 | valdyn | starenka: happens |
| 21:54.26 | valdyn | starenka: hopefully it wont happen often |
| 21:54.50 | starenka | hope so |
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| 21:57.16 | starenka | valdyn: forget about one thing. thank you |
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| 22:04.27 | rednammoc | hi guys. i have a strange problem with my SATA external drive. I share it on my private network via samba. I can access the filestructure without problems. if i copy a file the whole system crashes after 12MB transfer. After that i checked the log and tried one more time. same result. here's a snippet of the kern.log. the snippet is represented in the kern.log a lot of times. Has anybody any idea whats going on or how to hand |
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| 22:05.38 | Tramp | rednammoc: not, that I could help - but you were cut off after "how to hand" |
| 22:05.40 | valdyn | rednammoc: you got cut off after "how to hand" |
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| 22:06.11 | valdyn | rednammoc: same result meaning it crashed again after exactly the same amount of transfer? |
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| 22:06.14 | rednammoc | ...how to handle this problem ? http://pastebin.com/d685eba2a |
| 22:06.28 | rednammoc | valdyn: yep. same result |
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| 22:06.51 | valdyn | rednammoc: disk or cabling kaputt |
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| 22:07.42 | rednammoc | vakdyn: are you sure ? |
| 22:07.55 | rednammoc | valdyn: |
| 22:08.04 | valdyn | rednammoc: i cant be sure, pc hardware sucks for hardware debugging |
| 22:08.36 | valdyn | rednammoc: it could also be a kernel / driver bug or your psu resulting in to few power to the disk or the controller or whatever |
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| 22:09.07 | rednammoc | vakdyn: is there any log that represents more useful data ? |
| 22:09.22 | valdyn | rednammoc: all you can do is exchange hardware components and let your instincts guide you |
| 22:09.38 | valdyn | rednammoc: no, there is no better log |
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| 22:10.23 | valdyn | rednammoc: disk firmware issue or overheating of that disk or.... |
| 22:10.32 | Shockcore | i have a raid5 array, why is md1_resych going and taking lots of cpu ? |
| 22:10.33 | valdyn | rednammoc: at least you can check temperature with hddtemp |
| 22:10.46 | valdyn | Shockcore: what did you expect? |
| 22:10.54 | valdyn | Shockcore: resyncing is slow and takes cpu, duh |
| 22:10.57 | rednammoc | vakdyn: i will check the cable and try a new data-transfer. thx. |
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| 22:11.10 | Shockcore | valdyn why it is resyncing? |
| 22:11.13 | valdyn | Shockcore: the horrible sync performance is why you should probably not use raid5 anyway |
| 22:11.24 | Shockcore | array is empty |
| 22:11.29 | Shockcore | big but, empty |
| 22:11.34 | valdyn | Shockcore: your raid doesnt know that its empty |
| 22:11.48 | Shockcore | i see |
| 22:11.59 | Shockcore | its using 100% cpu |
| 22:12.00 | Shockcore | hehe |
| 22:12.02 | valdyn | Shockcore: check your cron jobs, the raid is scheduled to sync once per week by default |
| 22:12.10 | Shockcore | oh |
| 22:12.17 | valdyn | Shockcore: its not usign 100% cpu though, learn to read top |
| 22:12.18 | Shockcore | can't it be in "real time" |
| 22:12.34 | valdyn | Shockcore: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 22:12.57 | valdyn | Shockcore: syncing uses only idle time |
| 22:13.18 | Shockcore | root 2196 63.1 0.0 0 0 ? S< 21:16 35:25 [md1_raid5] |
| 22:13.18 | Shockcore | root 3016 26.3 0.0 0 0 ? D< 21:22 13:11 [md1_resync] |
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| 22:14.02 | valdyn | Shockcore: check top, i dont know how ps sums it up |
| 22:14.11 | valdyn | Shockcore: most of the "cpu" time should be %wa |
| 22:14.40 | mifritscher | ls |
| 22:14.41 | Shockcore | 80%id |
| 22:16.03 | valdyn | Shockcore: how many cores? 4? |
| 22:16.35 | Shockcore | 2 cpu |
| 22:16.38 | Shockcore | xeon |
| 22:16.51 | jhutchins | Is is correct for the current kernel to identify itself as running on "PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4" for a Core2 Duo? |
| 22:16.54 | valdyn | Shockcore: xeon is a marketing name, useless |
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| 22:17.08 | jhutchins | Or for dpkg to identify it that way? |
| 22:17.23 | valdyn | jhutchins: yea, core2 is more or less p3 based |
| 22:17.39 | valdyn | jhutchins: iirc |
| 22:17.51 | jhutchins | tnx |
| 22:18.27 | valdyn | jhutchins: p3 -> pM -> coreX or somesuch, p4 is dead |
| 22:20.41 | Shockcore | valdyn i use raid5 to not waste space like a raid1 does |
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| 22:21.01 | jhutchins | Oh, they're still around, glowing in the dark and sucking the power grid dry. |
| 22:21.21 | wootR_ | Hey guys, I recently got some problems, my ps is spammed with /usr/bin/sshd from an user I only run teamspeak-on -> http://pastebin.com/d9cb8fa7 I don't know really what would cause that huge spam, it also takes a huge amount of ram. |
| 22:21.50 | wootR_ | The only solution is pkill -u ts and restarting the server, but it'll come back within 6 hours |
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| 22:23.07 | jhutchins | wootR_: pkill sshd and leave it off for a while. If you need to leave it open, set up a firewall and throttle ssh to something like 3 connections per second. You are under a brute force attack. |
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| 22:23.39 | valdyn | wootR_: install fail2ban |
| 22:24.31 | valdyn | shouldnt the sshd run as root though? |
| 22:24.45 | valdyn | or is that your custom ssh setup? |
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| 22:24.52 | wootR_ | that's interesting, that might explain why the teamspeak admins accounts have been changing IPs recently |
| 22:25.10 | valdyn | or does teamspeak run over ssh? |
| 22:25.13 | wootR_ | is that a ssh account bruteforce or might that be anything webrelated too? |
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| 22:25.21 | \amethyst | wootR_: what is this './start' and './a' ? |
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| 22:25.28 | \amethyst | wootR_: maybe they're using ssh tunnelling |
| 22:25.35 | wootR_ | \amethyst: the script to run the teamspeak server, included with the package |
| 22:25.36 | valdyn | wootR_: you should see in /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:25.57 | valdyn | i still dont get why the sshd is running as ts though |
| 22:26.10 | jhutchins | I would seriously shut it down asap. |
| 22:26.21 | \amethyst | wootR_: do these other ts admins have access to the ts account? |
| 22:26.25 | wootR_ | it only happens when the teamspeak server is running |
| 22:26.33 | wootR_ | nope, only the actual teamspeak server rights |
| 22:26.37 | wootR_ | I'm the only one with ssh access |
| 22:26.55 | valdyn | wootR_: there a bit to many sshd running for just you having access |
| 22:27.28 | jhutchins | I'd seriously think about getting it off the net until you figure out what's happening. |
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| 22:27.41 | wootR_ | Alright, I'll shut it down then .. |
| 22:27.59 | jhutchins | valdyn: Do you have something like chkrootkit on it? |
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| 22:28.28 | Shockcore | valdyn |
| 22:28.28 | Shockcore | [===>.................] recovery = 17.0% (250304332/1465135872) finish=290.4min speed=69698K/sec |
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| 22:28.55 | wootR_ | \amethyst: Any chance that also explains 13GB traffic in one day? |
| 22:29.23 | valdyn | jhutchins: wrong target |
| 22:29.29 | valdyn | Shockcore: yea, thats ok |
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| 22:30.02 | valdyn | Shockcore: read on how to enable bitmaps in the mdadm manpage |
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| 22:30.50 | Shockcore | ok |
| 22:31.02 | valdyn | !bitmap |
| 22:31.06 | valdyn | oo |
| 22:31.23 | valdyn | Shockcore: bitmaps dramatically shorten sync time in case of power outage or crash |
| 22:31.37 | valdyn | Shockcore: but this one is probably just a sync triggered by the cronjob |
| 22:32.35 | Shockcore | i just checked i dont have any cron job |
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| 22:32.46 | valdyn | Shockcore: oh, you do |
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| 22:33.01 | Shockcore | we rebooted the computer so maybe thats why |
| 22:33.06 | Shockcore | some kind of "crash" |
| 22:33.14 | valdyn | Shockcore: ls /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
| 22:33.45 | Shockcore | 57 0 * * 0 root [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ] && /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --quiet |
| 22:33.46 | Shockcore | ah |
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| 22:36.08 | Shockcore | can i reboot in the middle of that sync |
| 22:36.09 | thrashold | Shockcore: /etc/default/mdadm and set AUTOCHECK=false |
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| 22:38.07 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 22:39.44 | uwjesd | How can I rename all files in the directory from test.txt;1 to test.txt |
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| 22:41.00 | simonrvn | !rename |
| 22:41.01 | sixfish | hey guys, i want to ask this, ive downloaded the debian netinstall cd but i only have internet via wirless (adapater) netinstall cd doesnt seem it can connet to any wireless ap, anyone familiar ? |
| 22:41.09 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 22:41.09 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 22:41.27 | dondelelcaro | uwjesd: rename 's/;1$//' '*;1'; |
| 22:41.37 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you have prename installed) |
| 22:41.39 | wootR_ | jhutchins: You earlier said I should leave sshd off, might it be a problem that I'm like 15hours+ per day connected to SSH? |
| 22:42.12 | Convulsion | sixfish I had that problem too |
| 22:42.20 | sixfish | Convulsion ahh ok |
| 22:42.24 | sixfish | Convulsion no way around ? |
| 22:42.35 | Convulsion | I just went and got the CD version it had the ndiswrapper source on there |
| 22:42.39 | sixfish | Convulsion i found this, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/ i have a 64 bit, im just not sure which one to get now |
| 22:42.42 | sixfish | Convulsion too many hah |
| 22:43.17 | sixfish | Convulsion you think getting to GUI will let me play with it around more so atleast i can install the iwlagn driver |
| 22:43.39 | Convulsion | normally u just need the first CD it has the main base install there's a list i forget where - netinstall doesn't have gnome / gui with it u have to d/l those |
| 22:43.50 | sixfish | Convulsion correct |
| 22:43.54 | sixfish | Convulsion thats what i thought |
| 22:43.58 | simonrvn | you don't need one either |
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| 22:44.09 | sixfish | so in that case this would work, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 22:44.37 | Convulsion | if u have internet access by other means, u can d/l the ndiswrapper and use windows drivers for your wireless or look and see if linux has native support for it and build the modules for it |
| 22:45.06 | sixfish | Convulsion ok i see, you know most of the time i dont know what im doing, but im trying very hard |
| 22:45.15 | sixfish | Convulsion so i wouldnt know how to build the modules :) |
| 22:45.17 | Convulsion | lol me too |
| 22:45.20 | sixfish | Convulsion but there are drivers for my wireless card |
| 22:45.24 | sixfish | Convulsion ahh nice ;) |
| 22:45.31 | sixfish | Convulsion so i could download it and install it with np |
| 22:45.44 | sixfish | Convulsion but what is ndiswrapper |
| 22:46.13 | Convulsion | ndiswrapper is a program for linux that lets u use windows .inf drivers for your wireless card |
| 22:46.27 | sixfish | ah i see, nah |
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| 22:46.33 | sixfish | no need for that, if anything. ill just install a driver |
| 22:46.39 | Convulsion | some wireless cards there are native linux drivers based on the chipset |
| 22:46.49 | sixfish | ok |
| 22:47.01 | sixfish | im sure debian has iwlagn driver already |
| 22:47.12 | Convulsion | those would be modules which u'd have to build/compile on your system |
| 22:47.14 | simonrvn | !iwlagn |
| 22:47.14 | dpkg | iwlagn is probably the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 22:47.22 | simonrvn | sixfish: ^^^ |
| 22:47.22 | Convulsion | anyways i'm having an issue myself, maybe someone can help |
| 22:47.35 | Convulsion | I have a router, it uses 'hostnames' to port forward, and not IPs |
| 22:47.48 | simonrvn | that's a crap router |
| 22:47.52 | simonrvn | imo |
| 22:47.58 | Convulsion | so when using DHCP, I put 'send-hostname "myhostname" in dhclient.conf and dhcp works fine and the hostname shows up |
| 22:48.10 | simonrvn | ...but |
| 22:48.17 | Convulsion | when I put my static IP into /etc/network/interfaces, my hostname no longer shows up on the router |
| 22:48.22 | sixfish | simonrvn ill keep this in mind |
| 22:48.29 | sixfish | but i still am not sure which one to download hah |
| 22:48.34 | Convulsion | any ideas? - simonrvn I agree with u, unfortunately this is the router my DSL company sent me for free |
| 22:48.44 | uwjesd | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 22:49.05 | simonrvn | Convulsion: man interfaces i think you can either a) set the name there or b) get it to include dhclient.conf "extras" |
| 22:49.30 | xhairball | uwjesd: btw, next time run it with -n to make sure it does what you think. :) |
| 22:49.41 | simonrvn | i know for a fact you can set the hostname |
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| 22:51.35 | icebrain | hello. I'm having trouble booting a kernel (2.6.30, self-compiled, no initrd) via PXE with the rootfs in a local usb flash drive (debootstraped with lenny). It seems it correctly mounts the fs ("VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly"), but then it isn't able to run /sbin/init or /bin/bash if I passed them in init=. I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init=option to |
| 22:51.38 | icebrain | kernel" |
| 22:51.50 | Convulsion | yea i keep seeing references to /etc/hostname which is already set |
| 22:52.13 | simonrvn | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:56.07 | wootR_ | Is there anything else then fail2ban I can do against sshd bruteforces? |
| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | iptables' recent match rules |
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| 22:57.18 | simonrvn | change your port |
| 22:57.20 | Convulsion | hmmm simon i've tried adding the line 'hostname myhostname' to no avail i don't see anything about that in the manual |
| 22:57.38 | simonrvn | 'host' IIRC |
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| 22:58.29 | simonrvn | look under 'the dhcp method' ... |
| 22:58.56 | simonrvn | didn't look very hard, did you? ;) |
| 22:59.44 | uwjesd | 's/;1$//' '*;1'; |
| 22:59.45 | uwjesd | Can't rename *;1 *: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 22:59.46 | uwjesd | 's/;1$//' '*;1'; |
| 22:59.46 | uwjesd | Can't rename *;1 *: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 22:59.54 | uwjesd | 's/;1$//' '*;1'; |
| 22:59.54 | uwjesd | Can't rename *;1 *: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 23:00.00 | uwjesd | [#debian] |
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| 23:00.02 | prince_jammys | unquote the asterisk |
| 23:00.31 | uwjesd | dondelelcaro: That one gives me an error. Can't rename *;1 *: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 23:00.37 | prince_jammys | *\;1 or *';1' |
| 23:00.54 | prince_jammys | asterisk must be unquoted, semicolon must be quoted |
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| 23:01.16 | xhairball | wootR_: Change your port and use pubkey logins. |
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| 23:02.46 | wootR_ | I just checked the authlog, it contains a huge mass of failed logins with random usernames by a brasilian IP :\ |
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| 23:04.06 | Convulsion | simonrvn when doing dhcp it works when doing static it doesn't |
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| 23:04.41 | sixfish | is the instalation any differant than slack 12 ? |
| 23:05.12 | sixfish | lol |
| 23:05.20 | sixfish | i meant to ask that elsewhere :) |
| 23:05.21 | shadowpho | can someone help me install xmonad .9 in sid? my dependencies conflict :/ |
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| 23:07.08 | shadowpho | my libghc6-xmonad-contrib-dev requires <1.4.5+ of libghc-x11-dev |
| 23:07.17 | shadowpho | But there's 1.4.5 |
| 23:07.20 | shadowpho | *1.4.6 |
| 23:07.30 | endeavormac | i'm trying to update my debian server, and i'm getting 404 errors from security.debian.org... i am concerned |
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| 23:07.43 | shadowpho | endeavormac: lenny? |
| 23:07.45 | endeavormac | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main phpmyadmin 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny3 |
| 23:07.46 | endeavormac | yeah |
| 23:08.30 | endeavormac | please tell me something is going on at the security.debian.org end |
| 23:09.13 | shadowpho | endeavormac: I'd love to help, but I am running sid and we don't have security |
| 23:09.18 | icebrain | endeavormac: there's another person experiencing that at #debian@oftc (but for etch) |
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| 23:09.47 | icebrain | I run sid too, sorry |
| 23:10.24 | hark | shadowpho: it's only built for amd64 now, but you can build it yourself too |
| 23:11.09 | hark | endeavormac: run an update and try again |
| 23:12.00 | endeavormac | hark: done that about 10 times now |
| 23:12.15 | shadowpho | hark: do you mean git the code and compile myself, or compile package from source? |
| 23:12.28 | shadowpho | hark: if compile package source can you tell me how to do it please? |
| 23:13.32 | endeavormac | wait, what's stable right now for debian, lenny or sid? |
| 23:13.42 | prince_jammys | lenny |
| 23:13.52 | endeavormac | ok |
| 23:14.00 | hark | shadowpho: the source packages are updated, /msg dpkg source |
| 23:14.03 | xhairball | sid will never be stable |
| 23:14.08 | prince_jammys | sid is always unstable |
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| 23:14.19 | Xgates | if a pkg(s) might be broke what's the dpkg cmd to fix? I forgot.... |
| 23:14.33 | endeavormac | ... i thought ... ok, nvm then |
| 23:14.50 | hark | shadowpho: you'll have to do it for the haskell x11 package, xmonad and xmonad-contrib. additional dependencies may be required as well, but it should all build |
| 23:16.11 | endeavormac | maybe it's on my ISP's end |
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| 23:17.04 | hark | Xgates: there's no such command, depends on what you mean by broke |
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| 23:17.34 | Xgates | oh I thought if something was installing right you could run a dpkg cmd to fix things ok |
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| 23:21.16 | babilen | endeavormac: Which release are you running? |
| 23:22.27 | endeavormac | babilen: lenny |
| 23:22.46 | babilen | endeavormac: Could you compare your sources list to: |
| 23:22.58 | babilen | !tell endeavormac -about security |
| 23:23.49 | babilen | endeavormac: And paste the actual aptitude output somewhere if your sources.list compares equal to the one dpkg told you about. |
| 23:24.45 | endeavormac | babilen yeah i think my mirror is down and now i'm scrambling to find a new one |
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| 23:25.44 | babilen | endeavormac: I thought you have problems with security.debian.org ?! |
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| 23:26.26 | endeavormac | yeah |
| 23:26.35 | endeavormac | ok, i'm a bit lost let me get sources.list up somewhere |
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| 23:26.43 | babilen | endeavormac: right :-) |
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| 23:26.53 | babilen | endeavormac: you know about pastebinit? |
| 23:26.57 | paipimenta | hello debian peeps.... got a question, I had firefox open, but then it closed.. however when I try to run again, it says firefox is still running... how do I close that process? |
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| 23:27.28 | prince_jammys | pkill firefox |
| 23:27.34 | babilen | paipimenta: there probably is a lock file in your iceweasel/firefox profile somewhere. Delete that and try again... |
| 23:27.40 | prince_jammys | and see if it complies |
| 23:28.05 | endeavormac | http://pastebin.ca/1651008 |
| 23:28.06 | babilen | paipimenta: Otherwise search for the error and try the various solutions posted millions of times already |
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| 23:28.22 | chubaca | Hi. |
| 23:28.32 | paipimenta | babilen: also, I'm running the firefox executable out of the firefox folder on my desktop (which I extracted from the tarball)... what is better practice than running this way? |
| 23:28.40 | endeavormac | babilen that was for you http://pastebin.ca/1651008 |
| 23:28.49 | endeavormac | i'll brb 5 min, sorry (laundry) |
| 23:28.52 | chubaca | Are you informed about the official repositories packages listing problem? |
| 23:29.36 | paipimenta | !lockfile |
| 23:29.36 | paipimenta | !lock file |
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| 23:29.55 | chubaca | Since few minutes I get Filename with (I think) absolute path of packages when I apt-get update. |
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| 23:30.23 | chubaca | For example, Filename: /srv/security-master.debian.org/ftp/pool/updates/main/e/expat/libexpat1_2.0.1-4+lenny1_i386.deb instead of |
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| 23:30.31 | chubaca | Filename: pool/updates/main/e/expat/libexpat1_2.0.1-4+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 23:30.33 | babilen | paipimenta: Install the Debian packaged Iceweasel |
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| 23:31.13 | babilen | chubaca: What do you mean? which listing problems? |
| 23:31.19 | chubaca | I've this problem on all my debian computers. |
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| 23:32.25 | babilen | OK, probably related to the ftpmaster's workcamp then. They wanted to get it running tonight (GMT+1 I assume) and seem to have some big plans. |
| 23:32.55 | Supertanker | What is the difference between invoke-rc.d and running a script in /etc/init.d directly? |
| 23:32.55 | endeavormac | chubaca no i'm not aware of this problem |
| 23:32.59 | chubaca | I hope they know about this issue so. |
| 23:33.30 | endeavormac | chubaca you too are having this issue right now? |
| 23:33.41 | chubaca | yep. |
| 23:33.49 | chubaca | On around 100 servers. |
| 23:33.50 | chubaca | :] |
| 23:33.51 | endeavormac | chubaca recent, like, started in the last 24-48 hours? |
| 23:33.53 | endeavormac | ok |
| 23:33.56 | endeavormac | i feel a little better now |
| 23:34.10 | chubaca | Since less than half an hour. |
| 23:34.13 | endeavormac | ok |
| 23:34.39 | j_14 | Supertanker: invoke-rc.d will start a script only if it is set to start for the current runlevel |
| 23:34.40 | chubaca | When I received an email from CRON-APT because there is a bugfix on the proftpd etch package. |
| 23:34.41 | endeavormac | i was thinking worst case, someone had compromised my machine and broke something |
| 23:35.02 | chubaca | The security.debian.org packages list is just broken. |
| 23:35.07 | endeavormac | ok |
| 23:35.07 | endeavormac | good |
| 23:35.08 | endeavormac | thanks |
| 23:35.08 | j_14 | Supertanker: *will start a service* |
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| 23:35.26 | Supertanker | j_14, thanks, that helps. I've been wondering about that :) |
| 23:35.36 | SnakDoc | any reason i having trouble with debian repo ? |
| 23:35.45 | SnakDoc | 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] |
| 23:35.51 | endeavormac | snakdoc security.debian.org is messed up right now |
| 23:35.57 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:36.01 | endeavormac | i'm having the same issue, and so is chubaca |
| 23:36.03 | SnakDoc | endeavormac: any idea when it will be up ? |
| 23:36.20 | streuner | no |
| 23:36.20 | endeavormac | snakdoc i literally found this out about 30 seconds before you joined |
| 23:36.27 | chubaca | I think many debian users will income here soon. :] |
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| 23:36.27 | SnakDoc | lol ok |
| 23:36.41 | streuner | it just happens, have some patient, the team is informed and work on it |
| 23:36.46 | endeavormac | well when security.debian.org goes down, it does sort of raise panic alarms |
| 23:36.49 | chubaca | streuner: thanks. |
| 23:36.50 | SnakDoc | i just installed debian was setting up server bad time to break lol :( |
| 23:36.55 | chubaca | I came just to inform. ;) |
| 23:37.03 | endeavormac | yeah thanks chubaca |
| 23:37.03 | streuner | thanks |
| 23:37.24 | chubaca | So good luck for fixing that. |
| 23:37.29 | SnakDoc | thanks for info long as not something i broke lol |
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| 23:38.56 | chubaca | From my point it's coming from the absolute local path in the Filename field of the list. |
| 23:39.15 | chubaca | (excuse my english) |
| 23:39.24 | j_14 | are the problems with security.debian.org documented somwhere? |
| 23:39.40 | streuner | nah |
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| 23:39.51 | chubaca | I don't think so 'cause it's fresh. |
| 23:39.55 | streuner | it just happend in a few |
| 23:39.56 | streuner | ... |
| 23:40.04 | chubaca | s/fresh/recent/ |
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| 23:40.51 | SparFux | Hi. |
| 23:41.11 | SparFux | When using make-kpkg, do I have to do a "make oldconfig" essentially? Or will make-kpkg take care? |
| 23:41.25 | babilen | j_14: I have not yet seen any official announcement of the breakage. Just got it from #debian-dev |
| 23:41.47 | sepult | make-kpkg's default is --config=oldconfig |
| 23:41.57 | sepult | if not specified otherwise |
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| 23:42.45 | sepult | afaik... |
| 23:42.50 | SnakDoc | i know the server down time is unknow but in general how long does it take to be fixed |
| 23:42.53 | dutchfish | hi, how can i make gitk force to use tk8.5 so it maybe uses font antialiasing? It is gaving me massive headache's all the time without anti-alliasing. Using squeeze amd64 |
| 23:43.10 | SnakDoc | not try to be pain about it was just going to leave if it was going to be a while |
| 23:43.58 | SparFux | sepult: if I have a .config file, but clean kernel tree and then update it, will it be necessary to do make oldconfig then? As far as I understand the make-kpkg man page, it will only run make oldconfig, when no .config file is there and it finds a one it can use. |
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| 23:44.39 | Darkedge | How can I edit the GNOME WITHOUT the menu editor? |
| 23:45.20 | dutchfish | SparFux, you need a compatible .config. The oldconfig basically fills in the gaps if you have not defined the newer options of the newer kernel. And no, make-kpkg does not solve it. |
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| 23:46.01 | babilen | Darkedge: What do you mean exactly? That does not sound like you actually plan to work on the GNOME codebase. |
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| 23:46.49 | SparFux | dutchfish: I had the .config in kernel tree lay around and I did not do oldconfig or any ...config. I think I have to recompile everything... :-( |
| 23:46.54 | chubaca | SnakDoc: it's easier to fix, but they need to be very careful because another bigger breakage will not be cool. |
| 23:46.55 | sepult | SparFux: read the manual of make-kpkg again, it tells you default |
| 23:46.55 | sepult | is oldconfig, however... |
| 23:46.56 | streuner | !ops it would be helpful if the s.d.o issue would be mention in /topic... |
| 23:46.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: streuner complains about: it would be helpful if the s.d.o issue would be mention in /topic... |
| 23:47.09 | sepult | if you don't have a .config already |
| 23:47.10 | heroxbd | Hi. In my Lab there are all bad old Fedora Core 3s around (but the hardware is modern). I have only a normal user account. What would you suggest for running a shiny new Debian on top of them? |
| 23:47.17 | sepult | you'll get into trouble... |
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| 23:47.26 | jorik | http://pastebin.com/m12355e0e <- is it just me or is security.debian.org failing? |
| 23:47.39 | dutchfish | SparFux, maybe not. If you used it without make oldconfig make-kpkg WILL ask you questions, but it will NOT alter .config |
| 23:47.51 | person | Kopete doesn't send files reliably or fast these days; is there a newer version for Lenny? |
| 23:47.54 | streuner | jorik: people are informed, just have some patient, it will be fixed soon |
| 23:48.00 | sepult | not necessarily, but possibly into trouble |
| 23:48.01 | jorik | streuner: tnx |
| 23:48.04 | person | I've looked in backports and volatile |
| 23:48.04 | streuner | np |
| 23:48.13 | Darkedge | Who's Linux_Virus he |
| 23:48.17 | dutchfish | SparFux, you can run a dif on the kernel's config and the one you have ;) |
| 23:48.18 | Darkedge | lol opps |
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| 23:48.28 | jorik | streuner: i must have missed the public service announcement :) |
| 23:48.40 | chubaca | There is no one, jorik. |
| 23:48.49 | streuner | jorik: nah, it prolly just happend not long ago... |
| 23:48.52 | SparFux | dutchfish: it does not differ. But I think make oldconfig does some more stuff? |
| 23:48.56 | jorik | ok :) |
| 23:49.00 | chubaca | Just be patient. |
| 23:49.06 | dutchfish | SparFux, yes, like i explained |
| 23:49.33 | dutchfish | SparFux, it prepares .config for your curent kernel |
| 23:49.39 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 23:49.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 23:49.39 | sepult | Note however that make-kpkg scans the config file at startup |
| 23:49.39 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.39 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.39 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:49.48 | SparFux | dutchfish: your explanation suggest leaving the make oldocnfig when using make-kpkg does not do any harm. |
| 23:50.11 | SparFux | dutchfish: so, how come I get a strange kernel image name? |
| 23:50.17 | chubaca | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png <-- same case for me except my code is not compiling, I am waiting the security repository fix. |
| 23:50.35 | chubaca | :-)) |
| 23:50.37 | dutchfish | SparFux, correct, but remember you will be nagged everytime with the unconfigured options by make-kpkg |
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| 23:51.08 | Gm4n | What could cause mdadm to show my raid as degraded, but mdstat to not show a reconstruction? http://paste.debian.net/50415/ |
| 23:51.20 | SparFux | dutchfish: there are no unconfigured options, because it is just a modified version, with no additional options. the .config files are the same. |
| 23:51.29 | dutchfish | SparFux, and yes, make-kpkg i snot that smart ;) so just run make oldconfig |
| 23:51.57 | dutchfish | SparFux, i will hand you mine, a sec |
| 23:52.01 | SparFux | dutchfish: so you say, if I did not do make oldconfig, I should recompile the tree? |
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| 23:52.57 | dutchfish | SparFux, http://pastebin.com/f35ff2d5d |
| 23:53.06 | dutchfish | SparFux, depends |
| 23:53.50 | SparFux | I did not even do make-kpkg clean. |
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| 23:54.05 | SparFux | I updated the kernel git tree and did only do make-kpkg kernel_image. that's bad I think. |
| 23:54.35 | dutchfish | SparFux, i suggest then you do it proper make oldconfig and do it again something like my script, you can alter it to your likings |
| 23:54.47 | Xgates | I uninstalled gdm it wasn't working then when I go back to install it I get errors won't install |
| 23:54.55 | dutchfish | SparFux, initrd ? |
| 23:55.00 | Xgates | how can I run dpkg to fix this broken? |
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| 23:55.54 | xxtjaxx | Which command triggers refreshing of the /var/lib/dpkg/avaiable file |
| 23:55.57 | SparFux | dutch: I have a command sequence notation: http://www.alice-dsl.net/jkl345/Nouveau/Installation-Nouveau.txt |
| 23:56.11 | SparFux | dutchfish: I am using initrd. yes. |
| 23:56.30 | Xgates | # |
| 23:56.30 | Xgates | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:56.30 | Xgates | # |
| 23:56.30 | Xgates | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
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| 23:56.49 | hark | !tell xxtjaxx about available |
| 23:56.58 | Xgates | sorry guys didn't know it was going to pop put 4 lines |
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| 23:57.02 | chubaca | Xgates: use a pastebin website for long paste. |
| 23:57.14 | chubaca | :) |
| 23:57.36 | Gm4n | what does it mean if mdadm says I have 3 raid devices and 2 total devices? |
| 23:57.43 | dutchfish | SparFux, i would alter the fakeroot make-kpkg --us --uc --initrd --append_to_version=-nouveau.git-`date +%Y%m%d` --revision=3 kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 23:58.09 | SparFux | dutchfish: in how far? |
| 23:58.10 | Xgates | Can't install gdm getting errors on dpk failing ---> http://pastebin.com/m284c2632 |
| 23:58.23 | Xgates | when dpkg fails to install how do you fix a borked install? |
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| 23:58.28 | dutchfish | SparFux, mind the --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 23:58.49 | dutchfish | SparFux, the rest is cosmetic |
| 23:59.03 | dutchfish | SparFux, it should work |
| 23:59.13 | SparFux | dutchfish: what about --rootcmd? isn't it the same as fakeroot in the beginning? |
| 23:59.25 | babilen | Xgates: Could you please paste the complete output? /msg dpkg about pastebinit |
| 23:59.49 | dutchfish | SparFux, not quiet, i have expirienced make-kpkg choing in it |
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