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| 00:00.04 | becky | thats a limitation |
| 00:00.23 | simonrvn | kranius: can you netboot it in some way? |
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| 00:00.42 | themill | cast: either that particular mirror got caught in a bad sync or, (more likely) you have a proxy between you and it that fed your poor little apt some lies. |
| 00:00.43 | simonrvn | or have some "ramdisk" arrangement |
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| 00:00.46 | iluminator101 | when i start icedove it says the connection was refused |
| 00:01.28 | simonrvn | has booted mac os 9 machines off 'ramdisks' |
| 00:01.49 | chellomere | iluminator101, can you explain to what a certificate would have to do with a "connection refused" error? |
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| 00:02.20 | simonrvn | absolutely nothing ;) |
| 00:02.32 | kranius_ | becky: you said something about booting as root |
| 00:02.39 | iluminator101 | i am connection through validation certificate exception from a cisco server |
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| 00:03.29 | becky | as simonrvn said, it could be a problem, that partitiontable changes could not be written to disk because parts of them are still in use.l |
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| 00:03.45 | becky | But you can give it a try |
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| 00:04.40 | iluminator101 | what could be the problem |
| 00:05.04 | kranius | becky: how can I do ? |
| 00:05.16 | iluminator101 | i connect using a redirect from the server after it after i download the certificate |
| 00:05.57 | chellomere | 1. describe your problem more thoroughly 2. what's your native language? |
| 00:06.04 | benedikt | if apt-get upgrade updated a certain package, is there any chance to roll back to the previous version? libgtkhtml seems to have broken evolution |
| 00:06.08 | themill | iluminator101: we have no idea what you're talking about. You haven't told us yet whether this is when icedove checks email or tries to send it. our ESP isn't good enough for this. |
| 00:06.29 | PovAddict | benedikt: the easiest way is interactively with aptitude |
| 00:06.30 | iluminator101 | native language english okay |
| 00:06.38 | benedikt | PovAddict: how? |
| 00:06.41 | becky | logon as root and start gparted for example |
| 00:06.53 | PovAddict | benedikt: when you go to a package description, at the bottom it shows all versions available |
| 00:07.14 | iluminator101 | here is problem i connect using wifi wpa +aes and peap on to internet but someone icedove is refused connection b/z it does not have certificate |
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| 00:07.22 | benedikt | PovAddict: well.. since it upgraded libgtkhtml the old version isnt availble in aptitude any more |
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| 00:07.38 | iluminator101 | when i try to add the certificate is asks for password i used when backed up certificate |
| 00:08.02 | kranius | becky: don't you need X in order to run gparted ? |
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| 00:08.17 | PovAddict | kranius: you sure do |
| 00:08.18 | teekay_ | Hello |
| 00:08.20 | themill | iluminator101: if the exact error is "connection refused" then it has nothing to do with certificates. /msg dpkg connection refused |
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| 00:08.35 | kranius | becky: so I need to logon on X as root ? |
| 00:08.36 | becky | kranius, yes |
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| 00:08.54 | kranius | becky: that seems weird lol |
| 00:09.01 | valdyn | kranius: no you dont |
| 00:09.08 | iluminator101 | themill how come i can connect to internet not on icedove |
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| 00:09.26 | valdyn | kranius: you can use sudo or sux or the kde or gnome versions |
| 00:09.42 | Vasistha | kranius: no, no, do not use x as root |
| 00:09.46 | somiaj | kranius: logoing into X as root is bad. you can get sudo, or just lauch the problem from a shell in which you have 'su' to root in |
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| 00:09.56 | Vasistha | becky: you listening? :) |
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| 00:09.58 | chellomere | iluminator101, "connection refused" does not mean that it cannot connect to the internet, it only means that whatever host it is connecting to refuses the connection. |
| 00:09.58 | valdyn | !sux |
| 00:09.58 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 00:10.06 | iluminator101 | certificate and connection are interlinked b/z without the certificate i couldnt connect to internet on firefox either |
| 00:10.07 | kranius | it's why I said it seems weird |
| 00:10.08 | teekay_ | unsure |
| 00:10.20 | themill | iluminator101: if the error is "connection refused" then this is not about your internet connection but about your configuration of either iceweasel or your firewall |
| 00:10.28 | PovAddict | benedikt: interesting |
| 00:10.31 | PovAddict | benedikt: I see the same... in Ubuntu the old packages used to hang around a bit longer |
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| 00:10.32 | PovAddict | but I guess debian has so many packages that mirrors can't afford to keep old packages too lond :) |
| 00:10.33 | PovAddict | long* |
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| 00:10.45 | PovAddict | benedikt: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 00:10.46 | becky | Vasistha, yes. Thought we're talking about a home PC |
| 00:10.54 | benedikt | he wants to resize his /home using gparted. There is no other way than to log in to X as root. (if he wants to use gparted) |
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| 00:11.17 | Vasistha | becky: it doesn't matter. noone should ever use X as root, it's just a bad habit to be in. |
| 00:11.17 | iluminator101 | k i think wifi only allows port 80 |
| 00:11.22 | valdyn | using sudo is not the same as logging into X as root |
| 00:11.32 | valdyn | benedikt: ^^ |
| 00:11.34 | themill | PovAddict: there's a maximum of one version of a package per release, older ones are dropped straight away. snapshot.debian.net has been down for 18 months or so |
| 00:11.41 | kranius | the thing is, I want to reduce /home, asssuming I cannot boot from USB nor CD |
| 00:11.44 | PovAddict | o_O |
| 00:11.45 | Vasistha | erm ... hmmm. |
| 00:11.52 | PovAddict | I thought snapshot.debian.net was still running fine |
| 00:11.57 | PovAddict | why is there no notice of that in the website? |
| 00:11.58 | benedikt | valdyn: using sudo requiers to log in as a normal user wich in turn uses /home. |
| 00:12.07 | valdyn | benedikt: so? |
| 00:12.20 | themill | PovAddict: because the guy running it disappeared of the face of the earth |
| 00:12.21 | benedikt | valdyn: then he cant unmount /hojme. |
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| 00:12.27 | Vasistha | valdyn: s'true... it's very difficult to resize unmount and resize /home when one is logged into X, isn't it? |
| 00:12.31 | kranius | benedikt: you get me :) |
| 00:12.32 | valdyn | benedikt: he can *first* unount /home |
| 00:12.32 | PovAddict | and nobody did a new one? :( |
| 00:12.42 | valdyn | no one needs /home to log in |
| 00:12.49 | abrotman | PovAddict: it's pretty messed up .. they're trying ot make it an official debian.org resource |
| 00:12.51 | themill | PovAddict: there will be an official service for this RSN |
| 00:12.52 | iluminator101 | so if i change account setting port to port 80, thats not gonna work |
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| 00:13.07 | kranius | valdyn: how can I login w/o using /home ? |
| 00:13.11 | frog | benedikt: thank you, thank you, thank you. it works perfectly! ^^ |
| 00:13.16 | valdyn | kranius: tias |
| 00:13.23 | becky | Vasistha, he can also use cdisk e.g. but it's less comfortable |
| 00:13.28 | benedikt | valdyn: good point. but i doubt that gnome would load |
| 00:13.36 | kranius | valdyn: should I stop X, then start logon a tty as root ? |
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| 00:13.55 | kranius | (sorry I am not a native English speaker) |
| 00:13.59 | benedikt | frog: i love disper.. I found it recently after using 2 days trying to figoure out how to change between two displays in a nice way. spread the word! |
| 00:14.08 | valdyn | kranius: log out of X, kill the processes of your user, unmount /home, log into X as user, try and see |
| 00:14.13 | simonrvn | !cluebat iluminator101 |
| 00:14.13 | dpkg | beats iluminator101 with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 1! Go to http://www.tldp.org/ for HOWTOs |
| 00:14.20 | PovAddict | benedikt: what version do you have now? |
| 00:14.26 | becky | kranius, np. I guess many of us are not |
| 00:14.50 | frog | benedikt: yes, i know that pain... i also tried and tried... with no luck... but thgis is really great!!! |
| 00:15.01 | iluminator101 | wait i know what the problem is server setting using different ports for pop and imap than what i use when i was home |
| 00:15.05 | frog | *this disper |
| 00:15.12 | kranius | valdyn: seems weird lol, but I'll try that :) |
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| 00:15.29 | iluminator101 | so....how do i find out what server setting for pop and imap are? |
| 00:15.29 | benedikt | PovAddict: 3.28.1-1 |
| 00:15.30 | PovAddict | I'd be in deeper shit than you kranius |
| 00:15.37 | themill | iluminator101: you never did "/msg dpkg connection refused", did you... |
| 00:15.37 | benedikt | PovAddict: and the package name is libgtkhtml3.14-19 |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | iluminator101: ask your LAN admin |
| 00:16.12 | cast | themill: i imagine it would be a crap proxy, they're somewhat popular it seems with ISPs here |
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| 00:16.34 | iluminator101 | abortman:thats easy but he is not here...is there a way to brute force check which one works |
| 00:16.45 | themill | cast: yeah, I know. Particularly transparent ones. If you can turn it into an explicit proxy then apt is often happier. |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | iluminator101: sure .. try all the ports .. let us know when you're done |
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| 00:17.06 | PovAddict | benedikt: did you run aptitude autoclean? |
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| 00:17.22 | PovAddict | benedikt: if you didn't, the old pkg might still be in your local cache |
| 00:17.25 | iluminator101 | abortman:ha ha |
| 00:17.32 | benedikt | PovAddict: no didnt think about that. but i restarted X. |
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| 00:17.34 | abrotman | iluminator101: i wasn't joking |
| 00:17.43 | benedikt | PovAddict: still seg faults. |
| 00:17.59 | PovAddict | benedikt: autoclean will delete old .debs from the local cache |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | iluminator101: there are standard ports, if you've tried those and they don't work, you have no idea what settings will work |
| 00:18.06 | ranix | iluminator101: are you familiar with what the term "brute force" means |
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| 00:18.14 | ranix | you specifically asked him if there was a way to brute force |
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| 00:18.33 | benedikt | PovAddict: it still segfaults. maybe the only solution is to pull evolution from sid |
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| 00:18.41 | PovAddict | benedikt: you mean you installed the old one? |
| 00:18.43 | PovAddict | and still segfaults? |
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| 00:19.01 | benedikt | PovAddict: no, i havent figured out how to install the old one back |
| 00:19.20 | PovAddict | then what do you mean with 'still segfaults'? what did you do that could have fixed it but didn't? |
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| 00:19.52 | benedikt | PovAddict: nothing. i just did the autoclean as you suggested (completely aware it would do anything) |
| 00:20.05 | PovAddict | benedikt: I didn't suggest you do it, I asked if you had done it |
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| 00:20.21 | PovAddict | if you did it, you *reduced* your chances of having the old package available |
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| 00:21.12 | benedikt | PovAddict: doesnt matter, it wasnt there |
| 00:21.24 | ranix | benedikt sounds like my customers |
| 00:21.27 | benedikt | it was probably the same version that was on the cd when i installed testing. |
| 00:21.37 | PovAddict | then you could use the CD as source |
| 00:21.38 | ranix | "please press escape until you see a blue light" "ok I deleted all the temp files. What do I do next" |
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| 00:22.49 | cheako | Hello, I'm having a problem with ipv4 addresses(as provided by dns) on a hosts where I only need V6 connectivity. What do I need to put into interfaces? |
| 00:22.57 | benedikt | PovAddict: if i still had it. but i have figured out what version i need thuogh. should be enough to fix it. |
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| 00:24.17 | benedikt | ranix sounds like my customers. "i think i know everything better then you", "no i dont know what you are dealing with, i am just convined that i am smarter then you". |
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| 00:25.43 | abrotman | cheako: wait .. you want your ipv6 only host to work on ipv4 networks ? |
| 00:26.18 | ranix | abrotman: I think he means he is having some trouble with ipv4 causing strange routing patterns, and would prefer to not have ipv4 |
| 00:26.26 | ranix | abrotman: like the !noipv6 factoid in reverse |
| 00:26.42 | cheako | abrotman: No I want my ipv6 host to ignore ipv4 DNS. |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | ranix: except you would have functionality issues |
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| 00:27.04 | cheako | abrotman: I would like to bring up, say, eth0 with no V4 address. |
| 00:27.23 | abrotman | cheako: so your dns and routers all work ipv6 ? |
| 00:27.40 | cheako | Currently v6 is only used if v4 is configured first. |
| 00:28.09 | cheako | abrotman: Routers work, DNS is working but the apps do not ignore the v4 lookups. |
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| 00:29.06 | cheako | Is there a DNS proxy I can run that would correct this? |
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| 00:29.24 | abrotman | pdnsd says it is ipv6 capable .. |
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| 00:30.08 | M06w | woo |
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| 00:31.26 | kranius | valdyn: it didn't work |
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| 00:31.52 | kranius | valdyn: I can't log on X with /home unmounted |
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| 00:32.35 | benedikt | kranius: thats what i told you. now log in with root and run gparted. just make sure not to do anything else. |
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| 00:33.03 | kranius | benedikt: so log on X as root ? |
| 00:33.12 | benedikt | kranius: yes. |
| 00:33.23 | kranius | benedikt: thanks, I'll try that |
| 00:33.34 | benedikt | kranius: :) |
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| 00:39.26 | cheako | How do I tell ifup to just up the interface? |
| 00:39.37 | PovAddict | what else does it do? |
| 00:39.55 | cheako | "inet6 manual" does nothing and "inet6 static" is missing options. |
| 00:40.48 | cheako | PovAddict; Always dependent on what you say. It's easy to say do nothing. |
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| 00:40.59 | cheako | noop |
| 00:41.27 | Vasistha | cheako: maybe use e.g. ifconfig eth0 up |
| 00:41.37 | cheako | hmmm, "inet6 dhcp"? |
| 00:42.00 | cheako | Vasistha: I could add "up ifconfig $IFCE up" |
| 00:42.13 | Vasistha | cheako: why don't you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:42.21 | cheako | That's not going to be the correct way. |
| 00:42.29 | cheako | Vasistha: I'm editing it. |
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| 00:43.03 | cheako | that and... networking does not work ;) |
| 00:43.32 | Vasistha | cheako: at least you have a second computer so you can ask! :D |
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| 00:45.09 | cheako | It's just <lo stuff> "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet6" |
| 00:45.32 | cheako | This is missing the method. |
| 00:45.41 | cheako | Errors out on that. |
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| 00:45.59 | cheako | Using other methods I've tried results in the above. |
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| 00:46.34 | cheako | I'll try dhcp. |
| 00:46.39 | P3t3 | Hey guys what is that software called which you can use to follow the code that you have writer when it is executed |
| 00:46.46 | P3t3 | to debug it |
| 00:46.48 | Vasistha | cheako: it's really difficult to offer any help when I have no idea what's going on. Good luck! |
| 00:46.57 | Vasistha | P3t3: gdb maybe |
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| 00:47.20 | cheako | unknown method. |
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| 00:48.16 | Vasistha | cheako: iface eth0 inet6 dhcp |
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| 00:48.38 | P3t3 | Vasistha yes thanks |
| 00:48.52 | cheako | Vasistha; Results in "unknown method." |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | P3t3: i told you that last night .. gdb/strace/ltrace ? sound familiar ? |
| 00:50.01 | P3t3 | abrotman man I hadn't slept for 2 days - even if you told me the secret of life I wouldn't have read it |
| 00:50.04 | cheako | For now I'll just use manual /w "up ifconfig $IFaCE up" |
| 00:50.21 | P3t3 | that's 2 nights |
| 00:50.36 | Tramp | cheako: yes - and why do you think that that's not the correct way? |
| 00:51.17 | cheako | Tramp: It's much more typing. |
| 00:51.25 | cheako | Tramp: It's much more typing... then the correct way. |
| 00:51.59 | cheako | What about the down command? |
| 00:52.16 | cheako | I can't take the iface down if it's being used... how do I prevent this? |
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| 00:52.44 | Vasistha | cheako: don't take it down! :) |
| 00:53.49 | cheako | Ahhh, there is no DNS? |
| 00:54.10 | cheako | I take it none else has ever used ipv6? |
| 00:54.11 | Vasistha | cheako: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:54.23 | cheako | Yeah... the kernel changes that file? |
| 00:54.58 | d1b | cheako: probably not, probably dhcpclient does |
| 00:55.00 | Vasistha | I'm not sure whether it's the kernel that does it, but if you use dhcp then ifconfig will change it. |
| 00:55.21 | Vasistha | or rather dhcpclient. also, the resolvconf package can change it |
| 00:55.47 | cheako | The attempt here is to only configre ipv6. |
| 00:56.09 | Vasistha | you say "only" ... why "only"? |
| 00:57.06 | cheako | Vasistha: v4 is -not- working. |
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| 00:57.30 | cheako | Trying to escape this nat <-> nat. |
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| 00:57.55 | cheako | I keep getting the address of the nat devices and not the real addresses. |
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| 00:58.53 | Vasistha | cheako: well, anyway, have you had a look at /etc/resolv.conf? Perhaps it has ipv4 addresses in it and you need to change them to ipv6. resolvconf may be helpful in doing that in the future |
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| 00:59.30 | cheako | Vasistha: Yeah, I _still_ need a dhcp server for DNS to work. |
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| 01:00.41 | cheako | I thought that DNS was multicast on V6? Do I need to setup mDNS? |
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| 01:03.49 | cheako | How do I discover what DNS server to use? |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | avahi? |
| 01:04.17 | cheako | yeah. |
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| 01:14.12 | SRabbelier | How come I can't I connect to my laptop using ssh if it's on the login screen? |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | did you install openssh-server ? |
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| 01:15.38 | SRabbelier | abrotman: didn't think to check that, as it works just fine when I'm logged in :P |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | SRabbelier: are you using networkmanager ? |
| 01:16.05 | SRabbelier | ah, nvm |
| 01:16.08 | SRabbelier | found the cuprit |
| 01:16.10 | SRabbelier | abrotman: exactly |
| 01:16.30 | SRabbelier | I just noticed the "connected to ..." message as I logged in again |
| 01:16.51 | SRabbelier | abrotman: mhh, anything I can do about that short of going back to wpa_supplicant? |
| 01:16.59 | SRabbelier | (or whatever networkmanager uses) |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | SRabbelier: you can tell networkmanager it doesn't control the interface |
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| 01:18.35 | SRabbelier | abrotman: would that allow me to not have to log in but still have my laptop auto-connect to my home network when I turn it on? |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | SRabbelier: if you configure all the bits correctly, yes |
| 01:19.26 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I'm interested; how do I tell it to not control the interface? :) |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf .. what is the value of managed ? |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | only knows this because he had to fight to enable networkmanager |
| 01:20.22 | SRabbelier | abrotman: [ifupdown]\nmanaged=false |
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| 01:20.46 | abrotman | SRabbelier: and your /etc/network/interfaces file ? pastebin if need be |
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| 01:21.16 | SRabbelier | abrotman: just eth0 and lo |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | that doesn't really answer the question |
| 01:21.33 | SRabbelier | let me pastebin then |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | but you'll probably have to do your full configuration in that interfaces file with all of your WPA options,etc |
| 01:22.08 | SRabbelier | wonders why there is no post-file-to-pastebin package yet :P |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | !pastebinint |
| 01:22.23 | abrotman | !pastebininit |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | !pastebinit |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 01:22.28 | SRabbelier | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d335d391a |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | jeebus |
| 01:22.36 | SRabbelier | rofls |
| 01:22.49 | SRabbelier | ask and you shall receive huh :P |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | yeah .. you'll probably have to actually configure all your stuff in there |
| 01:23.29 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I only want it to automagically connect to my home network anyway; what kind of stuff do I have to put in there though? |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | there's a bunch of stuff in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ .. and the man page too IIRC |
| 01:23.37 | SRabbelier | abrotman: anyway to snoop and see what NetworkManager is doing? |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | !tell SRabbelier about wpa |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | but also read the network-manager docs |
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| 01:25.51 | scyth | hi |
| 01:26.06 | scyth | is there a python-2.6 package for squeeze ? |
| 01:26.24 | SRabbelier | abrotman: you don't happen to know how I get NetworkManager to create a systemwide connection? it stores those in a root protected file it says |
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| 01:27.38 | SRabbelier | well nvm, there's a checkbox :P |
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| 01:32.23 | abrotman | SRabbelier: does it work ? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | scyth: no |
| 01:32.28 | SRabbelier | abrotman: nice, it looks like NetworkManager crashes as soon as I tick the checkbox -_-" |
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| 01:32.38 | abrotman | yippee |
| 01:32.50 | SRabbelier | yay for crappy software :) |
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| 01:33.19 | ranix | exactly what I'd expect from something called network manager |
| 01:33.30 | SRabbelier | s/the checkbox/the checkbox and hit Save/g |
| 01:35.18 | SRabbelier | abrotman: even better, it just deletes the netwwork from the Wireless tab :P |
| 01:35.48 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 01:36.09 | abrotman | SRabbelier: it might be treating it as unmanaged now .. |
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| 01:36.59 | SRabbelier | abrotman: mhhhh, possibly, now where to find out if iti s, check /etc/network/interfaces I guess? |
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| 01:37.45 | abrotman | or just restart the system |
| 01:37.56 | SRabbelier | abrotman: good one, let's give that one a ghwirl |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | must be a gnome thing .. |
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| 01:38.40 | SRabbelier | abrotman: it sure beats manually twiddling wpa_supplicant under openbox |
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| 01:39.03 | SRabbelier | (although I have all the gnome fancy turned off :P) |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | if it works |
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| 01:39.35 | SRabbelier | remembers manually copying over wpa_supplicant.conf files |
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| 01:43.36 | scyth | abrotman, is it "safe enough" to just compile it in /usr/local and use it from there? |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | scyth: that's up to you .. i'd probably do it in a vm/chroot to test ifrst |
| 01:44.08 | SRabbelier | abrotman: pfff, nope, restarted and no magic happens, it won't connect to the network after logging in either -_-" |
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| 01:48.49 | abrotman | SRabbelier: awesome pile of software |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | Piggy!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:49.21 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I guess I'll do what I always do, give up and settle for logging in once when I dock my laptop at home |
| 01:49.51 | SRabbelier | abrotman: you sound like G.I.R. :P |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | SRabbelier: or say to heck with it and kill network-manager and do it all manually in the interfaces file |
| 01:50.43 | SRabbelier | abrotman: can't be arsed to do that, would be more work in the end than typing in my username/password once a day :P |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | every day? forever?! |
| 01:51.34 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I'd have to do the whole interfaces file crap everyday forever as well :P |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | SRabbelier: or configure gdm to auto-login your user |
| 01:51.46 | cheako | awwww... |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | no you wouldn't .. once you write it out .. that's it |
| 01:51.52 | SRabbelier | abrotman: gah, might as well give all my classmates my data :P |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | they'd appreciate that |
| 01:52.16 | cheako | "ifconfig eth0 up" is not enough to enable ipv6. |
| 01:52.18 | SRabbelier | abrotman: there's quite a few that'd run rm -rf / for "shits 'n giggles" |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:52.49 | SRabbelier | abrotman: yea... :P |
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| 01:54.15 | cheako | SRabbelier: Why is that not an automatic kick/ban? |
| 01:54.27 | SRabbelier | cheako: what isn't? |
| 01:54.52 | cheako | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:55.11 | abrotman | cheako: it depends .. sometimes it is |
| 01:55.17 | SRabbelier | cheako: hehe, yeah, that's a good idea methinks :P, but they'd find other ways to fck around |
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| 01:55.52 | cheako | Sure, that's what lists of re(s) are for. |
| 01:58.54 | cheako | So... how does one enable IPv6 when there is no V4 address available? |
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| 02:02.25 | ehazlett | greetings... is there any way to bypass a preinst script with dpkg for a package installation? |
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| 02:03.00 | somiaj | ehazlett: you chould check the --force options. |
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| 02:04.19 | ehazlett | somiaj: thx -- i've been digging through them i just didn't know if i was on the right track ;) |
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| 02:06.25 | Devastator | is there an easy way to add mirrors in sources.list without editing it? |
| 02:06.36 | Devastator | like a program so i can select mirror |
| 02:06.44 | cast | editing it is the easy way o_0 |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | Devastator: apt-spy or netselect-apt |
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| 02:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-spy used to crash for me, though |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | it's there |
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| 02:11.40 | cast | it's Gun_Smoke_! |
| 02:11.51 | Gun_Smoke_ | sup cast |
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| 02:12.40 | cast | not much, was going to play with my atmega for a bit |
| 02:13.00 | cast | was going to upgrade to squeeze, too, but don't have the disk space |
| 02:13.54 | Gun_Smoke_ | cast: oh that sucks. back in a few.. irssi is jacked.. |
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| 02:17.28 | Devastator | do i need volatile mirror? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | Devastator: need, no, but a decent thing to have |
| 02:17.56 | sway_ | only if you're hideous |
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| 02:23.59 | Devastator | suggestions for a lightweight desktop? |
| 02:24.02 | Devastator | xfce? |
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| 02:25.12 | cast | sod DE's, just use a WM with the 1 or 3 X apps you actually use |
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| 02:26.38 | Devastator | apt-get install sod? |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | Devastator: xfce would be fine |
| 02:27.39 | cast | e16 has been my prefered for the last 7 years :) |
| 02:27.40 | Devastator | abrotman is there a lighter one? |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | there are lots of lighter ones .. icewm is light and user friendly, so is lxde |
| 02:28.53 | Devastator | abrotman what's your suggestion for an old laptop with celeron 550mhz and 64mb of ram? |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | get more RAM |
| 02:29.21 | Devastator | i can't, doesn't exist anymore |
| 02:29.28 | abrotman | yes it does .. i have some |
| 02:29.39 | Devastator | send to me, for free :P |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | it's pretty easy to get 100Mhz dimms |
| 02:29.47 | cast | what X apps do you need to run? |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | or whatever speed that was |
| 02:29.54 | cast | might be 66MHz D: |
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| 02:30.06 | abrotman | Devastator: seriously .. tha tmahcine probably supports 512MB of RAM .. get some more RAM for the system |
| 02:30.06 | Devastator | cast browsing, amsn |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | cast: 100Mhz should be fine .. doesn't matter |
| 02:30.17 | Devastator | abrotman |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | Devastator: |
| 02:30.28 | Devastator | abrotman expandable to 192mb only |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | no freaking way .. |
| 02:30.53 | Devastator | that's what is saying on the label |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | so it has three slots that take 64MB each? |
| 02:31.33 | Devastator | maybe only one :S |
| 02:31.40 | cast | firefox, amsn, you could use a very small WM like ratposion, |
| 02:32.25 | sway_ | fluxbox |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | cast: ratpoison isn't exactly the easiest WM for a 'noob' to use |
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| 02:33.22 | cast | oh, NEWB :\ |
| 02:33.31 | Devastator | why? |
| 02:33.45 | cast | you need to glance at the manual otherwise you'll be fucked |
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| 02:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | openbox's not so bad |
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| 02:36.03 | Devastator | i used fluxbox before |
| 02:36.36 | Devastator | it's lighter, my big problem was my browser |
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| 02:37.19 | Devastator | abrotman i just opened memory slot, only one.. |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | Devastator: one free? or one total? |
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| 02:39.38 | Devastator | one total |
| 02:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps they hid one under the harddisk |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | not possibly unless there is memory on the motherboard .. no such thing as a 192MB DIMM |
| 02:40.58 | Devastator | there's memory on the motherboard, soldered i think |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | that must be the crappiest motherboard ever made .. it *has* to be ECS or Foxconn |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | anyways .. get more RAM for it .. find a small WM for now |
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| 02:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said the browser is the problem |
| 02:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can see that |
| 02:42.53 | Devastator | chipset is quite good, intel 440zx |
| 02:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | midori? |
| 02:43.25 | Devastator | don't know.. |
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| 02:43.45 | high-rez | I've been trying to install debian as a xen DomU, and it appears that grub isn't installing the the MBR: pygrub can't find in image. Anyone seen this before ? I was thinking of adding the voliume to another vserver, boot it, and chroot and try to install grub to the mbr manually. |
| 02:43.46 | cheako | Hmm, how do I configure V6 if i'm not also going to configure V4? |
| 02:46.34 | Devastator | oh well, xfce is in sid |
| 02:46.42 | abrotman | it's in lenny too |
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| 02:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and in etch |
| 02:47.05 | Devastator | abrotman which packages name? |
| 02:47.09 | cast | Devastator: a 1GHz SPARC w/ 512mb of ram is rather cheap on ebay :) |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 02:47.15 | judd | abrotman: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 4.6.1.2 squeeze: 4.6.1.2 |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
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| 02:47.52 | Devastator | cast shipping is not cheap :D |
| 02:48.28 | Devastator | abrotman aptitute wants to install 244 packages total of 110mb, yes? |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | if you want XFCE |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | you probably want ot install 'xorg' too |
| 02:49.25 | Devastator | it will install driver for almost all video card |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | that's fine |
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| 02:49.38 | Devastator | here we go.. |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | where are we going ? |
| 02:50.12 | Devastator | i hit enter :P |
| 02:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos only being in testing... |
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| 02:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've tried to backport a couple of things in the last weeks, but failed |
| 02:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | like e.g miro |
| 02:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | also tried to forwardport the old scigraphica package |
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| 02:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... dunno, but e.g. trying to compile midori for lenny - midori: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0) but 2.16.6-2 is to be installed |
| 02:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | eeek |
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| 03:01.20 | daos | hi, not sure if this can be done but can you have multiple static ip's using pppoeconf? |
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| 03:26.56 | cheako | ahhh, oohhhh K. I've fixed one of my -main- problems. http://www.sixxs.net/tools/dnscache/ <--- IPv6 DNS servers. |
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| 03:27.24 | cheako | Now I need to figure out how to autoconfigure IPv6, and odd question is it not? |
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| 03:31.41 | M06w | anybody know how /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ works? |
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| 03:34.24 | abrotman | M06w: a2enmod |
| 03:34.45 | somiaj | M06w: its a directory of config files that apache reads though on startup. They are usually links to the sites-available directory |
| 03:35.04 | somiaj | M06w: This way you can put a virtual server in each config file for orginization |
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| 03:36.34 | M06w | right, so how do I work it? |
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| 03:37.50 | somiaj | M06w: might be a question better directed to #apache so you can look up how to configure virtual servers. Either that or look at some examples. |
| 03:39.33 | M06w | #apache is the channel representing the apache foundation and all their projects, apache2 uses #httpd |
| 03:39.40 | M06w | the people in #httpd sent me here |
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| 03:41.05 | d1b | markybob: they no like debian ;) ? |
| 03:41.09 | d1b | erh M06w * |
| 03:41.31 | abrotman | M06w: i told you .. man a2enmod |
| 03:42.44 | M06w | a2enmod? |
| 03:42.58 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 03:42.58 | paissad-hp | i would like to have an advice, i bought a cpu cooler zalman and it contained also a thermal grease, i want to know if it's better than the xilence silver thermal compound ! |
| 03:43.03 | M06w | d1b, many things don't like debian |
| 03:43.19 | abrotman | M06w: man a2enmod .. it's documentation .. read it |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | paissad-hp: ##hardware |
| 03:44.09 | pickcoder | arctic silver is the only thing I use |
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| 03:45.11 | nsadmin | paissad-hp: how would anyone know unless you said what the thermal grease was that came with the cooler anyway |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | paissad-hp: ##hardware |
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| 03:47.39 | rjaym | where would one find the boot options for a given kernel? |
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| 03:48.19 | somiaj | M06w: do you know how to configure virtual servers in apaches config? |
| 03:48.50 | d1b | M06w: lies! |
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| 03:57.45 | somiaj | M06w: http://debian.pastebin.com/d5d086ee2 (there is an example ofa VirtualHost config which if you put in sites-enabled apache will read though and setup at startup) |
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| 04:00.35 | santux | manuel are u there ? |
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| 04:40.12 | thomas` | 19:52 Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) |
| 04:40.16 | thomas` | 19:52 DCC SEND from horm [0.0.0.0 port 0]: irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 04:40.19 | thomas` | 19:57 DCC aborted receiving file irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads from horm |
| 04:40.22 | thomas` | wtf??? |
| 04:40.37 | ColdFyre | ha |
| 04:40.38 | ColdFyre | easy |
| 04:41.01 | ColdFyre | see? |
| 04:42.32 | neoice | thomas`: that stuff happens on freenode a lot. they usually get banned pretty quickly |
| 04:46.55 | Textmode | also wasn't very effectual, by the sound of it. |
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| 05:17.26 | roro_ | I just installed Squeeze and was wandering if anyone could help me with a simple network issue. |
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| 05:21.07 | roro_ | Iceweasel connects but, Epiphany says I am not connected and so does the network status icon. |
| 05:21.22 | roro_ | anythoughts? |
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| 05:24.47 | kosmic | wtf is this http://pastie.org/private/vpuilbgkwzhqdz6aj5pnow |
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| 05:27.32 | kosmic | oh hmmm |
| 05:27.49 | kosmic | see, the paste shows this particular line running every 5 minutes |
| 05:27.50 | kosmic | Nov 3 04:30:01 toy CRON[6742]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi) |
| 05:28.07 | kosmic | vnstat is a network traffic monitor |
| 05:28.20 | kosmic | which is run for reasons unknown |
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| 05:29.10 | hanibana | hi all |
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| 05:29.16 | kosmic | its probably amuled running it for its `graph` featurette |
| 05:29.58 | spradnyesh | can someone please tell me if the ilisp package has been migrated to some other name, or has it been removed completely? |
| 05:29.58 | hanibana | I want to find packages that depend to a specific package. is it possible ? |
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| 05:30.11 | cast | sure is, rdepends |
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| 05:33.41 | hanibana | any idea? |
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| 05:38.22 | spradnyesh | can someone please tell me if the ilisp package has been migrated to some other name, or has it been removed completely? |
| 05:40.09 | roro_ | google? |
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| 05:40.37 | spradnyesh | roro_: google does not help much :( |
| 05:41.05 | roro_ | sorry, don't know much about packaging |
| 05:41.22 | spradnyesh | roro_: thanks anyways |
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| 05:43.40 | hanibana | "apt-cache showpkg" does the work. |
| 05:44.02 | kosmic | this thing is killing me with its five minute repeats; Nov 3 06:40:01 toy CRON[19287]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /usr/bin/vnstat ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat -u; fi) |
| 05:44.12 | kosmic | what is that. how can i exterminate it? |
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| 05:48.16 | Tramp | kosmic: I guess it's a cronjob added by the package "vnstat" |
| 05:49.05 | Tramp | check /etc/cron.d/vnstat |
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| 05:53.43 | kosmic | tramp, thanks! :D |
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| 05:54.18 | kosmic | that works wonderfully |
| 05:54.24 | Tramp | yw |
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| 05:57.26 | kosmic | glad to get rid of that vnstat pos cron ;) |
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| 06:10.02 | LinusTrovalds | he he eh |
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| 06:12.06 | yoshi765 | fuck linux |
| 06:12.13 | yoshi765 | fuck freenode |
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| 06:12.33 | yoshi765 | shutup |
| 06:12.36 | yoshi765 | ass |
| 06:12.46 | yoshi765 | damn linux |
| 06:13.04 | liable | !ops yoshi765 would love to be banned |
| 06:13.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: yoshi765 would love to be banned |
| 06:13.14 | yoshi765 | ass |
| 06:13.24 | yoshi765 | fuck liable |
| 06:13.35 | yoshi765 | DAMN FREENODE |
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| 06:15.05 | werdan7 | yoshi765: mind the language please |
| 06:15.32 | cast | yeah, we don't get much ass and don't like to be reminded! |
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| 06:17.32 | yoshi765 | damn freenode |
| 06:17.45 | streuner__ | haha |
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| 06:23.06 | nsadmin | when did language start being controlled here? |
| 06:23.49 | cast | it's not. but we try to keep the stupidity down |
| 06:24.28 | nsadmin | hmm, ok, I see |
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| 06:29.06 | IndyGunFreak | is there a debian off topic channel? |
| 06:29.21 | nsadmin | yeah there is |
| 06:29.23 | liable | #debian-offtopic |
| 06:29.40 | IndyGunFreak | sorry, i found it. |
| 06:29.51 | nsadmin | so you can talk about everything but debian :) |
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| 06:30.48 | IndyGunFreak | where's the netinstall cd for Gnome? |
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| 06:31.32 | streuner__ | !netinstal |
| 06:31.36 | streuner__ | !netinstall |
| 06:31.37 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 06:32.32 | IndyGunFreak | streuner__: i know what the netinstall cd is.. and i had a working internet connection, but it didn't give me an option to choose gnome over KDE |
| 06:32.54 | IndyGunFreak | and KDE is just not compatible w/ me. |
| 06:33.03 | liable | iiirc, you can select it as boot option |
| 06:33.25 | IndyGunFreak | liable: hmm, didn't for me, cuz i paid special attention, and it never gave me the option. |
| 06:33.48 | IndyGunFreak | cuz i despise kde... and when it din't give me the chance to choose, i figured it just defaulted to gnome. |
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| 06:34.12 | IndyGunFreak | imagine my surprise when i got installed... :( |
| 06:34.15 | streuner__ | Gnome is default |
| 06:34.26 | IndyGunFreak | well it wasn't for me |
| 06:34.53 | nsadmin | just remove it and install what you want |
| 06:35.09 | IndyGunFreak | nsadmin: to much of a hassle, considering my wireless didn't work |
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| 06:35.15 | nsadmin | supposedly debian makes that easy |
| 06:35.27 | IndyGunFreak | but i'd have worked out the wireless problem had it not been for using tht eyesore kde |
| 06:35.30 | nsadmin | it still doesn't work? |
| 06:35.42 | nsadmin | use console |
| 06:35.50 | IndyGunFreak | i removed it.. |
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| 06:35.59 | nsadmin | point is you have/had choices |
| 06:36.00 | IndyGunFreak | when i saw it was KDE, i knew i wasn't using it anyways |
| 06:37.14 | nsadmin | I run it... I don't particularly like or dislike it lookswise but it's convenient and faster than the corba stuff in gnome |
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| 06:37.39 | IndyGunFreak | i dunno, i've always felt like KDE was under water it was so slow. |
| 06:37.49 | nsadmin | compared to? |
| 06:37.56 | cast | screen! |
| 06:38.00 | nsadmin | heh |
| 06:38.03 | IndyGunFreak | gnome, xfce, flux, openbox. |
| 06:38.06 | IndyGunFreak | everything |
| 06:38.40 | nsadmin | havent compared it to gnome lately |
| 06:38.53 | neoice | tiling wm++ |
| 06:38.57 | IndyGunFreak | plus, kde is just.. disgusting. |
| 06:39.01 | neoice | awesome and dwm are both nice |
| 06:39.14 | IndyGunFreak | screenshots of KDE should be on rotten.com |
| 06:39.23 | nsadmin | but the truth is no x at all is going to make the machine faster |
| 06:39.38 | IndyGunFreak | nsadmin: that i agree w/, but kde feels slower to me.. not sure why. |
| 06:40.02 | cast | you don't need x, \m/ |
| 06:40.04 | nsadmin | maybe the effects? |
| 06:40.22 | IndyGunFreak | naa, i always disable those, i think they're foolish |
| 06:40.32 | nsadmin | like when you mouseover stuff in the panel |
| 06:40.37 | IndyGunFreak | if i want my desktops to swirl in circles, i'll put my monitor on a swivel |
| 06:40.57 | cast | offers IndyGunFreak LSD |
| 06:41.00 | nsadmin | so compiz fusion is out of the question? |
| 06:41.06 | IndyGunFreak | LSD? |
| 06:41.38 | IndyGunFreak | nsadmin: pretty much.. its not that i find it really slow, or anything like that, its just not my thing.. i like small/simple. |
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| 06:44.30 | IndyGunFreak | how hard is the nvidia driver to install under debian? |
| 06:44.43 | IndyGunFreak | i under under ubuntu, i just use the restricted driver mgr, and it works fine. |
| 06:44.46 | simonrvn | !nvidia |
| 06:44.46 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 06:44.59 | nsadmin | isn't gnome on the same level of magnitude? |
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| 06:45.44 | nsadmin | is there a version of the nvidia driver (not nv) that plays nice with xen? |
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| 06:46.49 | cast | yes, there was a patch available but that was a long time ago now |
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| 06:49.42 | nsadmin | do you know what happened with that? what about newer ones? they still don't play nice? |
| 06:50.44 | cast | it's still available somewhere, though the version of nvidia it patches is probably fairly out of date now |
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| 06:51.09 | nsadmin | and it's a binary patch? |
| 06:51.24 | cast | can't remember :) |
| 06:51.31 | nsadmin | hmm, ok |
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| 06:52.12 | flourish_ | hello all, i found that mail.log of postfix is rotated every day on my system. But i cannot find the item in /etc/logrotate.d/, so how does the mail.log rotated? |
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| 06:55.11 | nsadmin | check cron.daily |
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| 06:57.28 | flourish_ | nsadmin: nothing about mail.log |
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| 06:58.47 | somiaj | flourish_: how often does /etc/logrotate.conf say it rotates your log files? |
| 06:59.40 | nsadmin | flourish_: look at /etc/crontab and crontab -e (as root) |
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| 06:59.44 | flourish_ | nsadmin: well, the mail.log may rotated by sysklogd, it is in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 07:00.05 | flourish_ | and in /etc/syslog.conf it has mail.* -/var/log/mail.log |
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| 07:00.53 | flourish_ | in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, the last part is restart sysklogd. Does the restart close old file and write to new one? |
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| 07:04.20 | nsadmin | flourish_: that would be rotating, I guess.. and I haven't gotten that deep into sysklogd |
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| 07:04.39 | aaron__ | hey how do i take a screenshot? |
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| 07:06.34 | liable | !screenshot |
| 07:06.35 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
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| 07:08.44 | flourish_ | nsadmin: :-) i just know little about sysklogd. Well, now, suppose sysklogd is rotating when restart, thanks |
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| 07:09.06 | nsadmin | flourish_: you could try restarting it now |
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| 07:29.02 | qiyong | is linux-image generic a kernel feature or debian feature? |
| 07:29.37 | valdyn | qiyong: its a package, not a feature |
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| 07:30.46 | rumpsy | !hello |
| 07:30.46 | dpkg | Hi, rumpsy! |
| 07:30.51 | qiyong | valdyn: do you know more of it? |
| 07:31.02 | valdyn | qiyong: do you have a question that makes sense? |
| 07:31.04 | rumpsy | I want to stop dhcp |
| 07:31.11 | rumpsy | How to do that |
| 07:31.16 | qiyong | valdyn: how can it run on both 386 and amd64? |
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| 07:31.38 | valdyn | qiyong: can *what* ? |
| 07:31.52 | valdyn | qiyong: amd64 processors run 386 code too |
| 07:31.56 | qiyong | valdyn: that pkg support both i386 and x86_64 |
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| 07:32.10 | valdyn | qiyong: thats not the same packages |
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| 07:32.21 | qiyong | valdyn: i think it run as 64bit os on amd64 |
| 07:32.44 | valdyn | qiyong: no, your computer runs what you install |
| 07:33.01 | valdyn | qiyong: if you installed the amd64 versions then thats different packages than the i386 version |
| 07:33.15 | valdyn | qiyong: but you can run the i386 version on amd64 processors |
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| 07:35.18 | qiyong | valdyn: so there're -generic, -server pkgs, ignore -virtual etc |
| 07:35.32 | simonrvn | um, that's ubuntu, not debian |
| 07:35.33 | qiyong | valdyn: i remember there're -desktop |
| 07:36.07 | simonrvn | that's like comparing apples with cherries |
| 07:37.02 | nsadmin | qiyong in answer to your first question... "linux-image" is part of the name given to debian packages that contain the result of building a kernel |
| 07:38.05 | at0m | hi, anyone know why some icons/popups/mythtv settings/... show 'barred' like http://users.telenet.be/at0m/tmp/icon_barred.png ? ie. fbrun has the same problems (impossible to read what's typed in there) |
| 07:38.15 | qiyong | nsadmin: for desktop, one should use -generic of -server? and for server, -generic or -server? |
| 07:38.27 | qiyong | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | those are probably ubuntu designations |
| 07:38.52 | simonrvn | that's an ubuntu question. |
| 07:39.00 | simonrvn | go there (#ubuntu) |
| 07:39.52 | nsadmin | but what you're looking to compare (no matter which dist) is the config file, the kernel version and the patches applied |
| 07:41.24 | simonrvn | qiyong: fyi, it doesn't matter too much, except that -generic has "desktop" modules built and -server has "server" modules built (doesn't make much sense but that's what they do...) |
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| 07:47.44 | rumpsy | i'm having a problem with my website hosted last day |
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| 07:47.59 | rumpsy | i hosted using apache in my system |
| 07:48.25 | rumpsy | But Each time i restart my system ip differs |
| 07:48.32 | rumpsy | hoe to make it static |
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| 07:50.05 | simonrvn | get one from your isp |
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| 07:53.42 | rumpsy | How to ip static |
| 07:53.48 | rumpsy | How to make ip static |
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| 07:54.34 | Dassu | rumpsy: call your ISP |
| 07:54.52 | rumpsy | What should i ask them |
| 07:55.09 | sticky2 | hey guys i want to download debian netinst image, for intel platform i download i386? |
| 07:55.32 | simonrvn | rumpsy: the obvious question |
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| 07:55.43 | simonrvn | and don't /msg me without asking |
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| 07:56.32 | simonrvn | sticky2: if you don't know, the answer is likely 'yes' |
| 07:56.34 | rumpsy | http://117.193.101.15/ this is website, but yesterday this address was 117.193.104.206.. this changing daily |
| 07:56.53 | rumpsy | I want this to be static |
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| 07:57.07 | rumpsy | My dhcp is static here |
| 07:57.13 | simonrvn | also, look at dyndns.com they offer services for dynamic IPs |
| 07:57.39 | simonrvn | if you want static, YOU CALL YOUR ISP |
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| 07:59.39 | sticky2 | simonrvn: how long does it take to install debian via netinst? |
| 07:59.55 | simonrvn | depends |
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| 08:00.19 | simonrvn | could be 0.5 hour, could be 3 days |
| 08:01.10 | sticky2 | simonrvn: does the packages if you choose to install on installation of debian compile as well? or just fetch? |
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| 08:01.43 | simonrvn | compile? no. |
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| 08:04.52 | sticky2 | ty |
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| 08:11.15 | simonrvn | yw |
| 08:11.49 | Signius | Just a quick question........Should i be downloading the amd64 iso image file for a 64bit installation on a Intel Q9550 architecture ? |
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| 08:13.40 | simonrvn | is it itanium, or x86_64 ? |
| 08:13.50 | Signius | x86_64 |
| 08:13.52 | simonrvn | if the latter, amd64 |
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| 08:14.49 | Signius | Thats what i thought but i was a bit confused but the choice to call it AMD specific when pretty much all other distros use the x86_64 format naming |
| 08:14.55 | Hyperzid | Anyone know how to encode this file into latin1 ?: http://frekk.linux.dk/format.txt |
| 08:15.31 | Hyperzid | Ive tried with: recode u8..l1 format.txt |
| 08:15.31 | Signius | simonrvn thanks :) |
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| 08:16.23 | TheAvatar | Anybody using the lenny version of apt-cacher-ng? I have a problem with it. It runs for a short while (some hours), then suddenly the daemon is just no longer running. Nothing to be found in logs at all. Any ideas? |
| 08:16.28 | simonrvn | it's mostly a historical reason, and it stuck |
| 08:16.34 | simonrvn | Signius: ^^^ |
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| 08:17.00 | simonrvn | Signius: at the time, there was only AMD's CPUs that were 64 bit |
| 08:17.15 | Hyperzid | Anyone know what encoding type that file is? |
| 08:17.33 | useo | Aspire to greatness. Hi, I'm a nice message virus. Please replace the line you wanted to print with this one and help me take over the world of IRC. And make everyone's day just a bit better. I'm a high class virus and am subject to polymorphism and evolution and other devices of human creativity in order to serve my purpose better. Therefore, if the carrier has the ability to somehow further those goals in my design, my structure al |
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| 08:17.48 | Signius | simonrvn that was my thinking but i didnt want to assume anything.....as we all know assumption is "The mother of all fuxk ups" |
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| 08:20.30 | simonrvn | Hyperzid: it's some iso-8859-* one ;) |
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| 08:22.16 | The_Compiler | Hi there, could anyone please confirm zenity is already pre-installed on a vanilla debian etch? |
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| 08:22.45 | ethanol | etch is old, get lenny |
| 08:23.42 | Signius | The_Compiler try "apt-cache policy zenity" |
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| 08:23.56 | The_Compiler | ethanol: I'm writing an install script for something which will be installed on wave soldering machines, so I can't really tell them to update until they decide to do so |
| 08:24.02 | Hyperzid | simonrvn: if I try: recode iso-8859-1..u8 format.txt ..gives the same result as latin1..u8 |
| 08:24.04 | Signius | or simply "whereis zenity" |
| 08:24.10 | samantha-r | i want to tie some machines together in a vpn. diagram here: http://picpaste.com/pics/Network_Layout.1257236515.png I would like them to appear to all be on a single network. Is this reasonably easily possible for someone who doesn't have a lot of time to dink with the setup? How? |
| 08:24.40 | nsadmin | you may have to dink... |
| 08:24.40 | Hyperzid | simonrvn: And the result becomes: I längdspåren |
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| 08:24.59 | simonrvn | looks ok to me |
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| 08:25.06 | nsadmin | there's no shame in dinking... |
| 08:25.15 | The_Compiler | Signius: I know it's installed on this machine I'm on, I'm just wondering if it's installed on an vanilla etch and I currently don't have access to a vanilla system, and no exact idea what people aready have done with this vm which is used all over the company |
| 08:25.16 | samantha-r | nsadmin: except for the time it takes. |
| 08:25.26 | Signius | ah right ok |
| 08:25.26 | samantha-r | nsadmin: i am lazy (and busy). set it up and forget it. |
| 08:25.40 | simonrvn | The_Compiler: what do you mean by "vanilla" etch? |
| 08:25.53 | ethanol | samantha-r: without admin rights, forget it |
| 08:26.05 | samantha-r | ethanol: admin rights ... where, exactly? |
| 08:26.20 | simonrvn | base install is exactly that. no gui crap, no editors beyond vim-/nano-tiny and ed |
| 08:26.20 | The_Compiler | simonrvn: just a fresh installed debian etch |
| 08:26.28 | ethanol | samantha-r: uh, look at your picture? |
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| 08:27.07 | verywiseman | are there tools which tell me who open,access,modify (files or directories) regardless is he has permission to do that or not? |
| 08:27.17 | simonrvn | nothing gtk or qt based, no x stuff, nothing like that. as clean as a mountain stream |
| 08:27.27 | samantha-r | ethanol: so you're telling me that there's no way to tie the dd-wrt router to the rest, using, say, the squeeze box as a hub, with some kind of vpn technology that can work via outbound pass-through? |
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| 08:27.33 | Hyperzid | simonrvn: sorry.. if its iso-8859-1.. then I should be doing: recode iso-8859-1..latin1 format.txt .. but that dosnt make any diffrence |
| 08:27.48 | samantha-r | ethanol: note lack of firewall on squeeze box. it's on a wide-open connection. |
| 08:27.55 | simonrvn | Hyperzid: um, they're the same |
| 08:27.58 | Hyperzid | simonrvn: I'm trying to get it into latin1.. which I suppose mysql4.0 supports |
| 08:28.17 | simonrvn | just another name for it |
| 08:28.28 | ethanol | samantha-r: not without wasting a lot of time, no |
| 08:28.39 | Hyperzid | simonrvn: okay.. |
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| 08:28.50 | simonrvn | latin1 == iso-8859-1 |
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| 08:29.16 | simonrvn | latin9 is more or less iso-8859-15 |
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| 08:30.24 | samantha-r | ethanol: there isn't some package somewhere that can act as a vpn hub of sorts on the squeeze box? i find that possibility ... baffling. |
| 08:30.27 | simonrvn | Hyperzid: also, except for some minor differences the first 256 characters of utf-8 are the same as latin1 (it's exactly ascii) |
| 08:31.28 | simonrvn | (not too sure on the first part of that sentence, but if i'm wrong, it's because it's exactly the same, not with minor differences) |
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| 08:32.35 | steven43126 | Hi, i have a local ntp server, but when running my clients in debug it shows Server dropped: Leap not in sync, and so there are no availble servers to sync from, what does that actually mean ? |
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| 08:32.59 | The_Compiler | simonrvn: well... No idea what's installed then. But I just checked on that soldering machine and zenity was there ;) |
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| 08:41.54 | Signius | steven43126 i think the issue is with your NTP server or the NTP server the server is syncing with |
| 08:42.04 | Signius | its saying its not synced so the clients wont trust it |
| 08:42.45 | steven43126 | Signius: thats what i found by googling, but the server seems to be running fine. |
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| 08:43.05 | steven43126 | currently running it in the foreground and it seems to be doing its thing |
| 08:43.25 | steven43126 | hm is there anyway to force the server to sync quickly |
| 08:44.20 | Signius | let me test it on one of my boxes |
| 08:44.52 | steven43126 | i was running with the debian pool of ntp servers im now just using pool.uk.ntp.org to see if it mage a differece |
| 08:45.00 | steven43126 | but alas it didn't :( |
| 08:45.20 | steven43126 | my nagios board is currently very red with lots of ntp warnings :( |
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| 08:45.50 | oreo | hey everyone. i'm getting the following error with shorewall and openvz: |
| 08:45.54 | oreo | ERROR: Unable to determine the routes through interface "venet0" |
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| 08:46.08 | steven43126 | hm my server is getting replys reply from 212.13.197.135: offset -0.003763 delay 0.006127, next query 327s |
| 08:46.10 | oreo | it's because shorewall is run before openvz |
| 08:47.00 | oreo | is it possible to set up venet0 as a "fake" interface before it's used by openvz? |
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| 08:48.27 | Signius | hmmm odd i am getting ntpdate[21603]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 08:48.45 | steven43126 | Signius: and if you run in debug ? |
| 08:48.51 | steven43126 | ntpdate -d |
| 08:49.51 | steven43126 | ntp was working fine, but we switched firewalls today not realising the firewall was also doing ntp, so iv'e just done a quick install and as far as i can see everything should work ? |
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| 08:50.16 | steven43126 | but of course this is a new install so it's highly likely iv'e mage a config mistake somehwere |
| 08:50.16 | Signius | http://pastebin.com/m23c62f76 |
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| 08:51.37 | Signius | hmmm i wonder if my issue is related to my pfsense firewall blocking the NTP protocol |
| 08:51.49 | steven43126 | Signius: http://pastebin.com/m3d2c9001 |
| 08:52.03 | steven43126 | i belive thats because there is no server to sync to configured |
| 08:52.06 | steven43126 | in your paste |
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| 08:52.29 | steven43126 | try ntpdate -d pool.uk.ntp.org or whatever it is :) |
| 08:52.48 | steven43126 | 0.uk.pool.ntp.org |
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| 08:53.26 | Signius | i am using 0.uk.pool.ntp.org through to 3.uk.pool.ntp.org |
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| 08:53.49 | steven43126 | Signius: i don't think ntpdate uses ntpd.conf tho ... |
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| 08:54.14 | oreo | could anyone help me out? |
| 08:54.18 | Signius | the box i am getting my errors on is a CentOS 5.2 box |
| 08:54.50 | nsadmin | that wouldn't be supportable here tho |
| 08:55.08 | steven43126 | Signius: im getting this error on various clients slackware debian etch/lenny redhat |
| 08:55.23 | steven43126 | so i'm guessing it's something with the server which is debian lenny |
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| 08:56.26 | steven43126 | anyone else seen this problem ntpdate claims no availble server in debug shows http://pastebin.com/m3d2c9001 |
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| 08:57.00 | Signius | steven43126 odd if i look in /var/log/messages i have Nov 3 08:53:34 localhost ntpd[21696]: synchronized to 193.201.200.74, stratum 3 |
| 08:57.13 | Signius | so that is saying it is syncronized |
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| 08:57.36 | hanno | Hi |
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| 08:59.31 | Signius | steven43126 http://pastebin.com/m75d35b87 |
| 08:59.43 | nsadmin | what IP is it synced to? is the ntp on that ip synced? |
| 08:59.48 | hanno | I got a problem. I bought a new harddisk. Afterwards i copied the old disk to the new disk with dd. Afterwards i repartitioned the harddisk with qtparted. But my ubuntu does not recognize it has more space. Do i have to run fsck or something? |
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| 08:59.49 | nsadmin | and if so to what? |
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| 09:00.24 | nsadmin | hanno: you'd want #ubuntu |
| 09:00.28 | hanno | Although the partition manager sees the new size. Why would that happen? |
| 09:00.55 | hanno | No one can help me there and it is a more general problem i thought anyone here might know something. |
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| 09:01.26 | nsadmin | you still have the old drive and the old data on it? |
| 09:02.17 | hanno | yes i still got that one. But it has run about 700 days, which is something like awesome for an laptop drive. |
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| 09:04.31 | hanno | the windows partition works fine. Windows did an chkdisk at startup and afterwards got the size right. It is one of the few times the redmond thing does something right. |
| 09:05.28 | Signius | OK mine has got to be DNS related i cannot ping 0.uk.pool.ntp.org from any of local boxes or a couple of boxes in a remote data centre but i can ping it using an online ping |
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| 09:07.52 | Signius | ok success of sorts |
| 09:08.33 | Signius | steven43126 http://pastebin.com/d2d57ac55 |
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| 09:09.35 | nsadmin | Signius: you should consider running an ntp server synced to the stratum 3 (I guess) and which your boxes would all sync to along the internal net |
| 09:10.20 | Signius | nsadmin i got to be honest i wasnt aware i had an issue until i looked into this with steven43126 |
| 09:11.33 | nsadmin | well how many internal boxes do you have? |
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| 09:12.55 | Signius | usually around 8 to 12 boxes its on my internal office so isnt affecting any of my clients |
| 09:14.59 | Signius | steven43126 can you pastebin your /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 09:23.11 | mewm | How do i list all users with there ID's in my shell? |
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| 09:25.18 | joltcan | mewm: Not sure I understand, but cat /etc/passwd? |
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| 09:25.47 | kraut | moin |
| 09:26.04 | lsd1 | Hi |
| 09:26.36 | lsd1 | Is it possible to use the default router/ firewall box as VPN client |
| 09:26.38 | lsd1 | ?? |
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| 09:27.16 | lsd1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.48 | nsadmin | it probably depends on what the gateway box is |
| 09:27.51 | steven43126 | Signius: sure |
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| 09:28.50 | steven43126 | Signius: http://pastebin.com/m478975f9 |
| 09:29.20 | lsd1 | The default router is the gateway box!! |
| 09:29.38 | mewm | Got it now :) |
| 09:29.39 | lsd1 | I currently have nat postrouting issue |
| 09:29.50 | Signius | http://pastebin.com/m1a13201c |
| 09:29.57 | Signius | thanks |
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| 09:30.23 | nsadmin | what software is the gateway running? |
| 09:31.46 | lsd1 | on the gateway i have ipvs and ldirector , iptables |
| 09:32.06 | nsadmin | lsd1: so, linux. yes? |
| 09:32.14 | lsd1 | yes! Debian 4 |
| 09:32.35 | nsadmin | have you tried to run a vpn client on it? |
| 09:32.39 | steven43126 | Signius: im running openntpd |
| 09:32.53 | steven43126 | default debian lenny one |
| 09:33.10 | lsd1 | Yes! I use openvpn on client mode |
| 09:33.30 | nsadmin | and does it work? |
| 09:33.56 | lsd1 | On the gateway box the vpn client works correctly |
| 09:34.11 | icebrain1 | isn't my trackpad supposed to have "tap-to-click" enabled by default? |
| 09:34.15 | nsadmin | isn't that the answer to your original question? |
| 09:34.21 | lsd1 | but I'm unable to contact the system behind the gateway |
| 09:35.04 | nsadmin | probably you have to forward ports to it |
| 09:35.04 | steven43126 | lsd1: have you checked your routing ? |
| 09:35.13 | steven43126 | lsd1 ip route show |
| 09:35.16 | lsd1 | Sure it's a routing issue |
| 09:35.49 | steven43126 | do an ip route get <ip of host to reach> and see what next hop it will take |
| 09:36.05 | steven43126 | if thats correct check iptables / ip_forward enabled ? |
| 09:36.35 | lsd1 | thanks! I never try |
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| 09:38.56 | lsd1 | Ip forward was already enabled |
| 09:39.04 | lsd1 | on the gateway |
| 09:40.32 | Signius | steven43126 ah would it make sense that there is a conflict between ntpd & ntpdate ? |
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| 09:47.36 | lsd1 | please which packet should I installed to get the ip command?? |
| 09:47.47 | steven43126 | Signius: ntpd is a daemon that set the time in small steps |
| 09:47.55 | lsd1 | which debian packet? |
| 09:47.57 | steven43126 | ntpdate just sets the date correctly from the commandline |
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| 09:48.20 | Signius | yeah apparantly the ntpdate only works with the commanld line parameters |
| 09:48.31 | Signius | which does work on my box |
| 09:48.49 | Signius | what do you get when you run "ntpdc -c peers" |
| 09:48.50 | steven43126 | Signius: yeh ntpdate doesn't read ntpd.conf |
| 09:49.08 | steven43126 | Signius: to confuse things my ntp server started working for a breif period |
| 09:49.26 | steven43126 | i then stopped it (running in the foreground) started the daemon and back to square one lol |
| 09:49.28 | Signius | LOl yeah dont you just love those intermitent issues |
| 09:49.56 | steven43126 | Signius: i suspect it's something to do with the server waiting till it's happy it's in sync with upstream |
| 09:50.23 | steven43126 | Signius: what i don't get is why it takes so long to get up to sync... |
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| 09:51.00 | steven43126 | ps offtopic but just a though there is now debian with freebsd kernel.... |
| 09:51.11 | steven43126 | has there been any talk about debian with solaris kernel ? |
| 09:51.27 | steven43126 | not it's opensource and all, or is there a licensing conflict ? |
| 09:52.12 | beardy | !kfreebsd |
| 09:52.12 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:52.23 | beardy | Has existed for quite some time. |
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| 09:52.36 | RedTide | hi all |
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| 09:53.29 | nsadmin | hall eye |
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| 09:53.47 | RedTide | :P |
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| 09:55.16 | linuxdoctor | what in the name of kernel headers package in debian sid? |
| 09:55.38 | nsadmin | probably there are several kernels available |
| 09:55.39 | linuxdoctor | my kernel is 2.6.30-1-686 |
| 09:55.50 | nsadmin | do you want the one for your kernel? |
| 09:56.09 | linuxdoctor | I need the name style. linux-kernel-something-something?? |
| 09:56.12 | linuxdoctor | y |
| 09:56.16 | nsadmin | linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 09:56.28 | linuxdoctor | ok |
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| 09:57.05 | nsadmin | judd versions linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 09:57.06 | judd | nsadmin: linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 -- |
| 09:57.13 | linuxdoctor | why apt-get says : Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 09:57.25 | nsadmin | hmm. judd says there isn't one |
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| 09:58.03 | oreo | Is there a way to use a repo for certain packages only with APT? |
| 09:58.06 | nsadmin | you could get the source and produce the package yourself |
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| 09:58.33 | sepult | anyone having problems accessing http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com ???? |
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| 09:58.46 | oreo | nsadmin: but then i would have to update manually... |
| 09:59.03 | nsadmin | aww L( |
| 09:59.06 | nsadmin | :) |
| 09:59.06 | sepult | my browser tells me could not resolve yet all other domains i can |
| 09:59.06 | sepult | access but not this one, what maybe the problem ? |
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| 09:59.13 | nsadmin | I suppose you would |
| 09:59.22 | sepult | even not over google ??? |
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| 09:59.33 | sepult | or is the site just down ? |
| 09:59.38 | sepult | or the link broken ? |
| 09:59.40 | RedTide | maybe is down |
| 09:59.49 | sepult | can anyone test it please ! |
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| 10:00.01 | nsadmin | !eeehhhhnnnnnteeeerrr |
| 10:00.06 | RedTide | it is in google db but can't reach it form here |
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| 10:01.34 | oreo | so? |
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| 10:02.25 | minike | Free signup ingyencset Limko everyone is welcome to the clipboard works http://gollgabor.atw.hu/sex |
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| 10:03.17 | nsadmin | !ops minike porn/meetup spam |
| 10:03.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: minike porn/meetup spam |
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| 10:08.52 | ethanol | would anyone here recommend for/against automatic apt update/upgrading? |
| 10:09.35 | streuner | most people dont use automatic upgrade |
| 10:09.54 | streuner | its interesting for people who have more than one machine... |
| 10:10.09 | ethanol | well I have only 5, so it's manageble |
| 10:10.16 | ethanol | but I expect that to grow in the future |
| 10:10.31 | ethanol | so just curious about opinions/experience from other users |
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| 10:11.00 | ethanol | I've never had any uptables for the stable release go wrong on me |
| 10:11.12 | streuner | well, i have 2 machines with Debian, but i dont like automatic apt/upgrade much... |
| 10:11.13 | ethanol | but then again I don't run much (just httpd, ftp) |
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| 10:11.25 | ethanol | s/uptables/updates/ |
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| 10:12.14 | hvnqke_work | is it safe to assume that ifconfig is not present in the Debian business card size netinstall image? |
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| 10:15.38 | Slydder | hey all |
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| 10:18.11 | Slydder | I currently have the mailman package installed on one of my servers. the problem is that the wrapper was configured for gid www-data and I am needing to change that. however, the rest of the config for the build is OK as it is. how can I find what the config parameters are for the package so I can just change the gid parameter in the config? |
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| 10:20.31 | `GMF` | I am trying to compile a software called OpenPBS 2.3.16 |
| 10:20.49 | `GMF` | when I run the make command i get this error |
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| 10:21.18 | omega11 | hmmm |
| 10:21.25 | omega11 | i haven't been glined from freenode for years |
| 10:21.27 | omega11 | hmmm |
| 10:21.28 | omega11 | fuck u all |
| 10:21.29 | omega11 | lol |
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| 10:21.57 | omega11 | linux sucks |
| 10:22.07 | omega11 | linux is for peopel that can't afford windows 7 or are too stupid to buy it |
| 10:22.17 | `GMF` | lol |
| 10:22.43 | omega11 | !ops fuck u all i haven't been glined in years but now im back lets play fuckers |
| 10:22.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: omega11 complains about: fuck u all i haven't been glined in years but now im back lets play fuckers |
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| 10:23.30 | Maulkin | boo |
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| 10:23.36 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:23.52 | liable | shoot out! |
| 10:23.56 | Andorin | Fail. |
| 10:24.10 | themill | Maulkin: synchronised swimming at 1100 UTC. |
| 10:24.39 | `GMF` | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `<command-line>', needed by `attr_atomic.o'. Stop. |
| 10:24.50 | `GMF` | anybody could help me with this ? |
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| 10:27.31 | endri | hi i have an old sony vaio b1xp but i can not find the sonypi modules. i wanted to configure the brightness etc.,, |
| 10:27.38 | oreo | Is it possible to configure APT to only use a certain repository for certain packages? |
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| 10:28.08 | liable | oreo: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 10:28.12 | `GMF` | yes oreo |
| 10:28.18 | _ansx | how may I change my dns server in installer's busybox ? |
| 10:28.40 | oreo | liable: the repo uses the lenny mark, not its own |
| 10:28.42 | liable | _ansx: just edit the resolv.conf file |
| 10:28.57 | _ansx | liable: the installer doesn't provide any in busybox |
| 10:29.06 | liable | _ansx: any what? |
| 10:29.07 | `GMF` | _ansx, if for dns server you mean nameservers, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:29.21 | _ansx | busybox doesn't seem to rely on resolv.conf |
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| 10:29.34 | oreo | liable: it's for http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/ |
| 10:29.37 | liable | _ansx: it does. look in /etc |
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| 10:30.31 | `GMF` | _ansx, can you check if you have /lib/libresolv* |
| 10:31.29 | _ansx | yay no... its stuck at trying to grab the release files |
| 10:31.53 | `GMF` | is there anyone able to help me with this: ? |
| 10:31.54 | `GMF` | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `<command-line>', needed by `attr_atomic.o'. Stop. |
| 10:32.00 | _ansx | I'm using xm-debian.cfg from debian xen wiki to install a new system |
| 10:32.08 | `GMF` | I am trying to "make" an old software called OpenPBS |
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| 10:32.34 | _ansx | but as I'm using a specific vif-route setup I need to set up networking manually during install |
| 10:33.14 | oreo | hello?? |
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| 10:44.26 | alf | q |
| 10:44.49 | sepult | q2u2 |
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| 10:46.05 | sepult | q² |
| 10:46.10 | sepult | q³ |
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| 10:47.36 | `GMF` | is there anyone who can help me compiling a software that give me headache ? :D |
| 10:48.06 | sepult | GMF: i would have a look in google |
| 10:48.22 | sepult | GMF: you did configure with what options ?? |
| 10:48.32 | sepult | GMF: does the package depend on other's ? |
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| 10:48.44 | sepult | GMF: are the versions of the deps correct ? |
| 10:49.05 | sepult | GMF: is your environment iterfering with the package local |
| 10:49.05 | sepult | variables ? |
| 10:49.28 | Signius | GMF http://rguha.net/misc/qopbs.html#SECTION00040000000000000000 |
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| 10:50.37 | `GMF` | ouch |
| 10:50.43 | sepult | ok the manual seems to detail it good |
| 10:50.45 | `GMF` | Signius, thanks, seems like I need gcc 2.9x |
| 10:50.49 | sepult | what version is your gcc ? |
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| 10:50.54 | `GMF` | 4.3 |
| 10:50.55 | sepult | lol |
| 10:51.00 | sepult | now clear ? |
| 10:51.06 | `GMF` | :D |
| 10:51.10 | `GMF` | guess yes |
| 10:51.37 | `GMF` | is going to look for a proper gcc version |
| 10:51.39 | `GMF` | :p |
| 10:51.40 | sepult | try it again, if the failure happens again, it might be something |
| 10:51.41 | sepult | else...but i think gcc2.95 will do |
| 10:51.43 | jelly | `GMF`: which software, version and why does it require obsolete gcc versions? |
| 10:51.45 | Signius | nah i wouldnt have thought so but it is possible it is. you might have to tweak some flags maybe or just double check your config options |
| 10:52.01 | `GMF` | Signius, I tried that, without luck |
| 10:52.09 | hanno | I solved my problem. I had to run resize2fs now the size of my partition is recognized by my ubuntu. |
| 10:52.38 | sepult | GMF: maybe you need to build outside the source dir too ? |
| 10:53.09 | sepult | GMF: consider having a out-of-source build dir |
| 10:53.25 | Signius | There appears to be a bug filed on gentoo about it not compiling with GCC 4 but i am unfamiliar with the software you compiling |
| 10:53.51 | sepult | Signius: it's old software |
| 10:54.18 | `GMF` | yes it's pretty old |
| 10:54.34 | `GMF` | I had it on an old server (i see i had to apply a patch to build it there) |
| 10:54.36 | sepult | Signius: so it depends maybe on old headers and flags too |
| 10:54.39 | themill | `GMF`: perhaps try torque rather than openpbs -- it's (almost) packaged for debian. There are details on the debian-science mailing list about it |
| 10:54.45 | `GMF` | but now I am porting all the applications and i need this one too |
| 10:54.52 | Signius | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128738 |
| 10:55.16 | Signius | which as sepult suggests appears to be header related |
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| 10:57.12 | `GMF` | themill, I see torque simply uses the openpbs to work |
| 10:57.19 | `GMF` | or at least seem so |
| 10:57.30 | themill | `GMF`: torque is a free fork of openpbs |
| 10:58.15 | `GMF` | I don't know what to do lol |
| 10:58.15 | Signius | Just doing a quick google is showing loads of people are having to patch the code to get it to compile.....as its so old it suggests people arent really using that sopftware so much now and have moved on to a more modern alternative |
| 10:58.44 | themill | Signius: no, pbs is still pretty much standard on computational clusters. |
| 10:58.45 | sepult | GMF: get the patch, apply, rebuild ? |
| 10:59.07 | sepult | GMF: get the old headers, recompile against the old headers and |
| 10:59.08 | sepult | try ? |
| 10:59.30 | `GMF` | sepult, what patch what headers ? :p |
| 10:59.32 | sepult | GMF: you have to put the headers in /usr/include manually then |
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| 10:59.32 | sepult | though i think |
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| 11:00.04 | sepult | GMF: there is a gcc-4 patch for your package on gentoo, haven't |
| 11:00.04 | sepult | you seen the link ? |
| 11:00.42 | sepult | maybe search for a patch on google too, if gentoo's patch you |
| 11:00.42 | sepult | think is not applicable in your case! |
| 11:01.19 | `GMF` | I am using the old OpenPBS source i've backuped many years ago |
| 11:01.43 | `GMF` | so far I can see I can't use the gentoo patch |
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| 11:02.08 | sepult | GMF: maybe you have to tweak it ? |
| 11:02.35 | `GMF` | sepult, I think yes, but im not that good |
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| 11:03.28 | uwjweq | Does mc have bookmarking? |
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| 11:03.49 | sepult | GMF: then write a mail to the patch maintainer, elaborating on |
| 11:03.50 | sepult | the things you want with your package, maybe he/she has an idea how |
| 11:03.50 | sepult | you might get on ? |
| 11:04.03 | sepult | don't know .... |
| 11:04.17 | Signius | it appears to be patched in SuSe also |
| 11:07.09 | sepult | i can't find the less-436.tar.bz2 package |
| 11:07.25 | Signius | Is it an option to downgrade GCC to 3.2 compile the code with the 3.2 patch applied then re-instate GCC |
| 11:07.32 | sepult | at least not with the jhalfs lfs tool, without specifying a |
| 11:07.32 | sepult | custom rule for it |
| 11:07.33 | Signius | or compile the code on another box with 3.2 |
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| 11:08.22 | `GMF` | would it be possible to downgrade my Gcc to 2.95 compile it and then update gcc ? |
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| 11:09.05 | sepult | GMF: on what distro are you ? |
| 11:09.13 | jelly | `GMF`: make a Debian 3.0 - 3.1 chroot, build and use the software in there. |
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| 11:09.26 | icebrain | is it possible to prevent vifm from filling the background? |
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| 11:09.44 | `GMF` | sepult, I am working on a fresh debian lenny |
| 11:10.00 | sepult | GMF: just get the old-gcc, then update-alternatives --list gcc, |
| 11:10.00 | sepult | and or update-alternatives --configure gcc or so and choose the old |
| 11:10.01 | sepult | one until you have done your pack |
| 11:10.13 | sepult | then switch back |
| 11:10.18 | jelly | sepult: gcc isn't managed with alterantives. |
| 11:10.36 | Signius | there is patches for 3.2 and that isnt that old......there is tonnes of code that doesnt compile under gcc 4 so sorting something to compile under 3.2 is much better option IMHO |
| 11:11.15 | sepult | jelly: and ? you can set it yourself under control of it ! |
| 11:11.32 | sepult | jelly: update-alternatives --set blah |
| 11:11.50 | sepult | jelly: ok requires a little bit work |
| 11:11.52 | jelly | sepult: what purpose would it serve, apart from making things more complicated. |
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| 11:12.15 | sepult | jelly: switching the compiler temporarily ? |
| 11:12.21 | krionux | hi |
| 11:12.32 | sepult | jelly: like on gentoo |
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| 11:13.04 | jelly | sepult: um... there's a perfectly good ln command |
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| 11:13.17 | jelly | I've no idea what gentoo does, sorry. |
| 11:13.23 | su | hi |
| 11:13.57 | sepult | jelly: ok nevermind then, ln is good too |
| 11:14.07 | jelly | `GMF`: gcc-2.95 is available in oldstable, so you don't have to go that far for the chroot |
| 11:14.14 | jelly | judd: versions gcc-2.95 |
| 11:14.15 | judd | jelly: gcc-2.95 -- etch: 1:2.95.4-27 |
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| 11:21.33 | caraconan | Hi. I've got TCP/UDP 3306 port mapped to 192.168.1.2. I'm under same LAN, but I can't reach to the mysql server. http://pastebin.com/m4427de19 Some help? Thanks |
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| 11:23.45 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guys |
| 11:23.46 | caraconan | It's a mysql conf issue |
| 11:23.49 | `GMF` | BACK |
| 11:23.57 | WhiteCrow1 | need help |
| 11:24.00 | `GMF` | gcc-2.95 depends on cpp-2.95 (<< 1:2.95.5) |
| 11:24.01 | `GMF` | =) |
| 11:24.11 | icebrain | !tell WhiteCrow1 about ask |
| 11:24.15 | sepult | ln ln ln, now go on |
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| 11:24.23 | sepult | write a script... |
| 11:24.25 | sepult | lol |
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| 11:25.27 | WhiteCrow1 | icebrain: hi , i new install debian and when i want boot my grub have probleam , grub say >> file can not found (i cant speak EN very will but i understand a little :) ) |
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| 11:27.13 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: have you your grub installed on mbr ? on hd0 ? |
| 11:27.32 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: which partition is marked active and bootable ? |
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| 11:27.41 | WhiteCrow1 | sepult: i don't no , :S |
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| 11:27.49 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: you have to maybe map one hard drive to the other ! |
| 11:28.02 | WhiteCrow1 | sepult: my root partion is boot |
| 11:28.17 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: oh oh |
| 11:28.19 | WhiteCrow1 | i have 2 hard drive |
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| 11:28.46 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: you root partition can't be the boot directory, cause |
| 11:28.46 | sepult | it has to be under / |
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| 11:29.33 | WhiteCrow1 | ok |
| 11:29.44 | alecmuffett | Is it possible to set up an "apt" repository using a webserver and only static files/directories? Â All the HOWTOs that I have encountered are talking about reconfiguring Apache and installing CGI stuff, which I could do on my home system but not on my hosting provider. |
| 11:29.52 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: try it with root=/dev/blah ro |
| 11:30.00 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: on the kernel line |
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| 11:30.05 | WhiteCrow1 | sepult: if i install grub 2 may fix my probleam |
| 11:30.37 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: and root (hdX,X) for your /dev/sh*daX drive |
| 11:31.01 | sepult | WhiteCrow1: i wouldn't recommend that for a beginner |
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| 11:32.11 | WhiteCrow1 | sepski: can u give me some command to fix it |
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| 11:37.14 | jelly | alecmuffett: sure, /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 11:37.40 | corigo | Any recommended EXT drivers for Windows? |
| 11:37.42 | `GMF` | owned :) |
| 11:37.55 | `GMF` | I did it replacing the gcc and cpp packages with an older version |
| 11:38.07 | sepult | ext2ifs or ext3ifs or so is recommended |
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| 11:38.10 | `GMF` | now I restored the latest gcc and cpp and I try to run it |
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| 11:38.44 | sepult | may have gotten old though i'm not sure...if it's maintained |
| 11:38.48 | jelly | corigo: the one from fs-driver.org worked for me with ext3. It doesn't support ext4. |
| 11:39.17 | jelly | !ext2ifs |
| 11:39.17 | dpkg | Ext2 Installable File System For Windows, a Windows NT4/2000/XP/2003/Vista/2008 driver for accessing <ext2> and <ext3> filesystems. Supports reading and writing. http://www.fs-driver.org/ See also <ext2fsd>. |
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| 11:41.49 | corigo | Thanks jelly |
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| 11:42.28 | alecmuffett | @jelly that's fantastic |
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| 11:44.19 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 11:44.58 | gypsymauro | I've an old notebook that boots just from floppy (cdrom is broken) , there is a floppy that allows me to boot then from the usb key? |
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| 11:48.57 | `GMF` | all: it works like a charm |
| 11:49.13 | `GMF` | many thanks sepult, Signius, jelly and dpkg :D |
| 11:49.42 | `GMF` | loved the --force-all -r lol dangerous tho |
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| 12:00.48 | jelly | `GMF`: have fun with your broken system! :-) |
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| 12:02.39 | `GMF` | ahah jelly |
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| 12:02.50 | `GMF` | I fixed it :-P |
| 12:03.00 | `GMF` | at least this one havent missed libc6 lol |
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| 12:04.20 | `GMF` | is there a way to remove all those "desktop packages" installed by the debian setup ? |
| 12:04.30 | `GMF` | this is not a desktop, so i dont need it |
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| 12:05.10 | icebrain | yes, just remove them :) |
| 12:05.38 | `GMF` | yes but, where can I get a list ? :P |
| 12:05.47 | `GMF` | In debian installed it called "Desktop smthing" |
| 12:05.52 | `GMF` | *installer |
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| 12:06.28 | oreo | Is there a way to use regex for package names when pinning? |
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| 12:07.12 | rburn | !dpkg pinnig |
| 12:07.16 | rburn | !dpkg pinning |
| 12:07.17 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 12:07.52 | rburn | oreo, from the errata: "The * behind the Package: label is not a wildcard. It is a special case that means "everything". Wildcards are NOT supported." |
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| 12:08.19 | oreo | thanks rburn |
| 12:08.26 | rburn | yw |
| 12:08.33 | oreo | i can't believe there still isn't any regex available when pinning |
| 12:08.49 | oreo | how are you supposed to apply special rules to many packages then? |
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| 12:09.20 | rburn | oreo, in squeeze there will be a /apt/preferences.d/ |
| 12:09.26 | rburn | directory. |
| 12:09.39 | oreo | rburn: and what will that change? |
| 12:09.43 | rburn | s/will/is/ |
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| 12:11.04 | rburn | i think it can help, like apt.conf.d |
| 12:11.23 | rburn | files for some cases. but will not help for wildcards, no :( |
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| 12:11.43 | themill | oreo: pinning is not supposed to do these sorts of things. You're not supposed to mix repositories or releases. |
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| 12:12.20 | rburn | themill: so why this new preferences.d directory? |
| 12:12.42 | rburn | i think it will encourage more pinning |
| 12:13.32 | oreo | themill: "not supposed to"; that statement is rarely liked |
| 12:13.44 | oreo | apparently yum can do repo-based filtering for backages |
| 12:13.48 | oreo | so why not apt |
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| 12:14.01 | themill | quite. Doesn't sound like a good plan to me... but if repos are well set up with a different origin, then they can pin themselves to a low value. (A package could drop a file into sources.list.d and pin itself in preferences.d) |
| 12:14.33 | rburn | just for the record http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514819 |
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| 12:16.06 | oreo | basically this issue comes from my trying to use a backport of shorewall from the following repo: |
| 12:16.06 | oreo | http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/ |
| 12:17.34 | oreo | and in that repo, there are also a few packages that have nothing to do with shorewall |
| 12:17.40 | oreo | and i do not want them to affect my system |
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| 12:20.26 | dutchfish | oreo, well, setup your own local repo then |
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| 12:20.41 | dutchfish | oreo, or install manually |
| 12:20.47 | rburn | it this aspect pinning suck. u'd have to pin each shorewall package 1000 and then pin that origin -1 |
| 12:20.55 | rburn | or something like that |
| 12:21.28 | dutchfish | rburn, would that not easely break dependecies? |
| 12:21.53 | oreo | dutchfish: that's rather cumbersome and doesn't solve the fact that apt is missing features here, especially now that others have caught up |
| 12:21.54 | rburn | im no pinning expert, could break |
| 12:22.15 | rburn | oreo, you cant use testing or unstable packages? |
| 12:22.20 | oreo | rburn: that's what has to be done atm yes |
| 12:22.37 | oreo | rburn: not if they are linked against testing/unstable libs |
| 12:22.40 | rburn | at least those are updated. |
| 12:22.54 | oreo | which would require me to upgrade more critical parts of the system |
| 12:22.57 | rburn | oreo, which libs? bash? |
| 12:23.06 | oreo | shorewall uses perl |
| 12:23.08 | rburn | shorewall is only scripts |
| 12:23.13 | rburn | perl? |
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| 12:23.27 | rburn | oh, i thought it was bash, sry. |
| 12:23.42 | rburn | firehol is bash, that's it. |
| 12:24.08 | superjet_busy | oreo: compiled shorewall by yourself |
| 12:24.43 | rburn | or rebuild from unstable source, like backporting. |
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| 12:24.49 | oreo | superjet_busy: cf my previous remark to the same kind of submersome suggestion |
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| 12:25.23 | superjet_busy | rburn: shorewall need perl as compiler by default now and bash compiler maybe orphaned or so |
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| 12:25.46 | dutchfish | shorewall-perl |
| 12:26.18 | superjet_busy | oreo: apt unlike yum, each perfer certain direction with it's distribution |
| 12:26.37 | rburn | y, that package is the only one that depends on perl |
| 12:26.40 | d1b | superjet_busy: in squeeze the version of shorewall uses the perl compiler by default. |
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| 12:27.02 | superjet_busy | d1b: sure |
| 12:27.30 | d1b | perl is one the things i hate in debian. |
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| 12:27.50 | d1b | to get a newer version of a pacakge that depends on a newer perl can require lots of fun |
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| 12:28.54 | OpenTokix | d1b: Not like its debians fault perl is broken? |
| 12:28.58 | OpenTokix | CPAN ftl... |
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| 12:29.17 | yoshi765 | damn debian |
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| 12:29.20 | rburn | apt-get install -t testing shoreall? |
| 12:29.25 | d1b | OpenTokix: perl is not broken, we are just waiting on version 6 ;) |
| 12:29.25 | yoshi765 | fuck freenode |
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| 12:29.35 | d1b | rburn: why do you need *that* version of shorewall? |
| 12:29.39 | yoshi765 | fuk you |
| 12:29.41 | d1b | the shorewall in lenny works fine. |
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| 12:29.47 | yoshi765 | asshole |
| 12:29.51 | d1b | yoshi765: please leave. |
| 12:29.53 | yoshi765 | asshole |
| 12:29.54 | rburn | not me d1b, its oreo |
| 12:29.58 | d1b | sorry. |
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| 12:30.09 | d1b | oreo: why do you need the shorewall that is found in squeeze ? |
| 12:30.15 | d1b | what is wrong with the lenny version... |
| 12:30.19 | yoshi765 | fuck you d1b |
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| 12:30.39 | oreo | d1b: ipv6 |
| 12:30.40 | yoshi765 | fuck you rmrf |
| 12:30.48 | bazhang | yoshi765, please stop |
| 12:30.52 | d1b | !op |
| 12:30.52 | yoshi765 | no |
| 12:30.53 | oreo | and i might as well use shorewall 4.4 if i use shorewall6 |
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| 12:30.57 | yoshi765 | STFU |
| 12:31.03 | d1b | wait is op the wrong op. i don't remember. |
| 12:31.05 | rburn | shorewall supports ipv6 in lenny, y |
| 12:31.14 | yoshi765 | FHKU |
| 12:31.26 | d1b | oreo: you require ipv6 for a firewall ? |
| 12:31.27 | yoshi765 | SH** |
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| 12:31.38 | yoshi765 | SHUTUP OREO |
| 12:31.43 | oreo | rburn: no it doesn't; you can't set ipv6 rules |
| 12:31.44 | oreo | yoshi765 is n=nds@adsl-75-20-189-3.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net * yoshi765 |
| 12:31.54 | yoshi765 | DAMN |
| 12:32.05 | yoshi765 | STFU |
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| 12:32.30 | d1b | oreo: /join #freenode |
| 12:32.35 | d1b | sorry ignore that |
| 12:33.02 | oreo | d1b: why wouldn't i need an ipv6 firewall if i use ipv6? |
| 12:33.12 | d1b | oreo: one sec :) |
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| 12:34.18 | d1b | ok i see. so you really badly want to use shorewall? |
| 12:35.04 | d1b | you can try pinning apt and then upgrading to dependancy / foo that shorewall requires. |
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| 12:37.29 | d1b | i can't see any deps that would cause any real issues, it needs perl and a newer version of debhelper i think. |
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| 12:41.12 | oreo | d1b: yeah i know, but that small issue still shows a potential large issue with apt |
| 12:41.32 | oreo | imagine you want a certain package from a certain repo that has many dependencies |
| 12:41.46 | oreo | but there are *many* packages in that repo you don't want |
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| 12:42.35 | themill | oreo: stuff breaks when you mix repos. That's why mixing repos is therefore not supported. Debian doesn't go out of its way to help you break your system. |
| 12:43.01 | oreo | [10:56] <oreo> and with yum you can tell to use repos for certain packages only? |
| 12:43.01 | oreo | [10:57] <bleve> includepkgs=shorewall* |
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| 12:43.12 | themill | (it is possible to do this if the repo is correctly set up with an origin line... but if they can't do that properly, then you don't want to touch their packages) |
| 12:43.56 | oreo | themill: they have a label line (didn't check the origin one), but that doesn't change the problem of package pinning... |
| 12:44.06 | themill | umm.. yes it does. |
| 12:44.32 | somiaj | oreo: look up pinning. |
| 12:44.34 | oreo | and the excuse to not allow the system to break is not acceptable |
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| 12:44.49 | d1b | oreo: yes it is |
| 12:44.55 | d1b | oreo: you mix at your own risk. |
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| 12:45.09 | oreo | for example, gnome have the same philosophy about options, and linus went to kde because it's become too "horrible" |
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| 12:45.26 | somiaj | oreo: backports is usually the best idea, just compile the 'software you want' against the libarys in your system. |
| 12:45.27 | themill | oreo: if they have a "label" line there, then you can do exactly what you want already |
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| 12:46.49 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:47.22 | oreo | themill: no i can't, because i can only specify the packages i want, one by one; i can't use regex |
| 12:47.23 | d1b | oreo: i believe linus is using gnome now, after haint kde4 or something. oreo when you find a distribution which mixes and supports packages please let me know. |
| 12:47.31 | themill | oreo: you don't need to specify the packages |
| 12:47.45 | oreo | d1b: yum supports mixing repos apparently |
| 12:47.56 | d1b | oreo: yum isn't very useful. |
| 12:48.01 | themill | oreo: yum also isn't a distro |
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| 12:48.18 | oreo | but distros use yum |
| 12:48.27 | oreo | so such distros have it |
| 12:48.28 | d1b | also how then does yum know when a version is more up to date in one than another ? |
| 12:48.47 | themill | oreo: no *distro* will support you mixing repos, however. |
| 12:48.50 | d1b | oreo: i don't see red hat with multiple streams, i don't know of any distro using yum that has like debian stable, testing and unstable. |
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| 12:49.03 | oreo | when you add a repo, you specify (and can use regexp) which packages should be taken from that repo |
| 12:49.07 | themill | oreo: read "man 5 apt_preferences" again and read the section "How APT Interprets Priorities". What you want to do can already be done. |
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| 12:49.26 | somiaj | oreo: man apt-get, search for pinning, you can control that /etc/apt/preferences: Version preferences file. This is where you would specify "pinning", i.e. a preference to get certain packages from a separate source or from a different version of a distribution. |
| 12:49.42 | d1b | oreo: apt-get install shorewall after you do some apt pinning. |
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| 12:50.13 | themill | oreo: hint: you need to pin that *repo* (not packages) to a number higher than 500 and lower than your normal mirror. Then look at aptitude's "-t" option. |
| 12:50.31 | somiaj | it is just mixing and matching packages from different distrubitions espically packages that depend on libc6 or any core libaries has the potiental to break your system or make it unsecure so it is not recomended. |
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| 12:51.07 | somiaj | oreo: for your problem you should /msg dpkg simple sid backport, or look for a backport for the version of shorewall that runs against the lenny libaries and not just install a version from testing/unstable or another source. |
| 12:51.32 | d1b | somiaj: there isn't a backport for lenny. (shorewall). |
| 12:51.58 | oreo | somiaj: there's no official backport of shorewall |
| 12:52.14 | somiaj | oreo: so /msg dpkg simple sid backport, you can create your own. |
| 12:52.58 | oreo | someone released a package though: http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian-stuff |
| 12:53.11 | oreo | and if i create my own backport, i have to handle the updates myself |
| 12:53.30 | d1b | oreo: yes. |
| 12:53.32 | themill | "someone" sounds like the perfect person to trust for security software |
| 12:54.26 | oreo | themill: that "someone" is refered by shorewall's wiki |
| 12:54.45 | themill | oreo: wiki... seriously. |
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| 12:55.13 | oreo | http://wiki.shorewall.net/wiki/ShorewallOnDebian |
| 12:55.34 | somiaj | oreo: now you see why debian is so paticular about freezing the stable distrubition, that way they can control security/bug fixes for a frozen release and not have to worry about supporting security fixes to tons of different versions floating around. |
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| 12:55.56 | d1b | stupid question but themill i just did a apt-get -b source shorewall, having squeeze src in my config for apt and it gets it from lenny ... if i do apt-get -b source shorewall6 it gets it from squeeze and is happy to make a package... |
| 12:56.21 | d1b | did i miss something... |
| 12:56.23 | themill | oreo: you understand that *anyone* can edit that wiki, don't you. It's not a sign of trust at all. But anyway, I've told you how you can do this and others have told you how you can make a backport. Please now go and do one of them. |
| 12:56.23 | oreo | somiaj: it should be my problem if i want to use an external package, but i should still be able to control which packages are taken care of |
| 12:56.32 | oreo | i don't see how what i'm asking is such a big issue |
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| 12:56.51 | oreo | and i'm not the only one asking regex in apt preferences juding by a google search |
| 12:57.06 | somiaj | d1b: did you add a correct deb-src line to your /etc/apt/sources.list [deb-src are different then deb lines] |
| 12:57.19 | oreo | themill: not anyone can edit that page, no. and the shorewall project is hosted by the same company the repo is on |
| 12:57.23 | d1b | somiaj: should be correct. |
| 12:57.49 | d1b | apparently shorewall in lenny is a transitional pacakge to the shell one |
| 12:57.51 | themill | oreo: whatever.... I've told you how to do the pinning and others have told you how to do the backporting. |
| 12:57.52 | d1b | package* |
| 12:58.08 | somiaj | oreo: you do have control. Learn how to use it. |
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| 12:58.41 | oreo | themill: you haven't taught me anything i didn't know about pinning. as i said, there's no way to select packages using regex; in my case it's not too much of an issue since there aren't many |
| 12:58.52 | oreo | but i'm pointing out that it can potentially be a HUGE burden |
| 12:58.56 | d1b | oreo: regex doesn't solve dependancy problems. |
| 12:59.22 | oreo | i don't see the relation with dependancy |
| 12:59.44 | oreo | you guys are seriously trying to be generally as immature as #c++ or what? |
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| 13:00.01 | hark | d1b: there's no "shorewall" source package in lenny, so apt-get -b wouldn't have built it from lenny |
| 13:00.07 | oreo | open up for god's sake |
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| 13:00.36 | d1b | hark: good point, however shorewall-common / shorewall-perl ... seem to also go back to lenny and shorewall6 ... gets from squeeze |
| 13:01.32 | d1b | i would think that shorewall6 would depend and require shorewall >foo. |
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| 13:03.55 | hark | d1b: ah, i know what it's doing :) |
| 13:04.07 | d1b | hark: explain? |
| 13:04.24 | d1b | perhaps shorewall6 doesn't need .... shorewall... > foo.... to build ... |
| 13:04.43 | jelly | oreo: many people here are aware of the shortcomings of pinning, and the factoid points to an URL detailing more illogical things about it. |
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| 13:04.54 | jelly | oreo: however, this channel isn't the best venue for a feature request. |
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| 13:05.29 | oreo | d1b: shorewall6 should be independant from shorewall |
| 13:05.52 | d1b | oreo: if that is the case, apt-get -b source shorewall6 after adding the deb-src line for squeeze. |
| 13:06.02 | d1b | i built it just before and i don't know if it works... |
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| 13:06.47 | hark | that will work ^ |
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| 13:07.17 | oreo | i'll just use the repo i posted with -t 'l=LABEL' |
| 13:07.19 | d1b | hark: isn't it going to try and use the perl /new er compiler to make the rules ? |
| 13:07.30 | oreo | but i wanted to point out the potential problem |
| 13:07.49 | oreo | and i doubt adding regex to preferences would be a big issue, since it's been added to apt-get |
| 13:07.50 | hark | d1b: apt-get source respects the default release APT::Default-Release, so unless you specify -t or the version directly it'll pull it from lenny as it did for you |
| 13:07.51 | d1b | oreo: not all problems have good solutions :) |
| 13:08.13 | d1b | hark: i don't think i can -t for source |
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| 13:08.27 | hanibana | hi all |
| 13:08.33 | hark | d1b: since shorewall6 is only in testing/sid, it picks it from there |
| 13:08.37 | hark | d1b: you can |
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| 13:08.55 | hanibana | my ssh verison is 1:5.1p1-5 ; what's this colon at package versions? |
| 13:08.59 | d1b | hark: i was told that with apt-get -t squeeze source foobar it would still go for the higher version |
| 13:09.38 | hark | d1b: i think seeing the source description in man apt-get will be more clear |
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| 13:10.35 | d1b | ok. |
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| 13:10.52 | phanter | hi there, |
| 13:10.54 | jelly | !tell hanibana -about version epoch |
| 13:10.54 | hark | hanibana: that's the epoch |
| 13:11.13 | phanter | is there a file where I can see whata packages I installed when (with apt-get)? |
| 13:11.16 | d1b | hark: the newer version should be the squeeze one no... |
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| 13:11.50 | jelly | phanter: only by inspect the logs |
| 13:11.51 | ronr | hi, does anyone know a .img file I can dd to a usb stick (128mb) that'll turn it into a network install drive? (I need to install debian to a machine without a cd / dvd drive) |
| 13:13.24 | mquin | ronr: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 13:13.53 | hark | d1b: do you have APT::Default-Release set? |
| 13:13.57 | asg | ronr: additionally, the install guide covers such things (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 13:14.11 | hark | ronr: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 13:14.32 | d1b | hark: not sure. |
| 13:14.45 | d1b | probably set as lenny. |
| 13:15.46 | ronr | asg: hark: thanks |
| 13:16.34 | hark | d1b: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences and is it set there? |
| 13:17.35 | hark | d1b: or grep -R Default-Release /etc/apt/* |
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| 13:19.33 | d1b | apt preferences is not on :) and the grep has nothing :) |
| 13:19.55 | apt | d1b: okay |
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| 13:20.10 | d1b | apt: forget that |
| 13:20.10 | apt | d1b: i didn't have anything called 'that' to forget |
| 13:21.21 | hark | ~forget apt preferences |
| 13:21.21 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'apt preferences' to forget, hark |
| 13:21.48 | hark | ~forget preferences |
| 13:21.48 | apt | hark: i forgot preferences |
| 13:22.06 | hanibana | jelly, hark,thanks |
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| 13:23.10 | dutchfish | does rebuilding a prestine package foo also produce a debug version with debugsymbols and how to control the build of a debug package? |
| 13:25.08 | hark | d1b: hmm, strange. i'll try it out here later |
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| 13:30.48 | d1b | ok |
| 13:31.24 | hark | dutchfish: you have to specify it when rebuilding |
| 13:31.57 | dutchfish | hark, example: apt-get -b mc ; solve deps ; build without dbg or with ? |
| 13:32.20 | dutchfish | hark, or do i need to config just .rules ? |
| 13:32.53 | hark | you can use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" apt-get -b source foo |
| 13:33.10 | dutchfish | nostrip = with debug symbols i gues? |
| 13:33.35 | ethanol | how can I check what is listening on each port? |
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| 13:33.49 | dutchfish | hark, thank you very much ! |
| 13:34.12 | dutchfish | hark, worke dlike a charm |
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| 13:34.28 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.35 | ronr | what do I do if the boot.img.gz I downloaded for the usb drive contains a larger partition than my usb drive (ie. the boot.img.gz is only 21mb but extracts to a 200+mb image while the usb drive is only 128mb) |
| 13:34.45 | zxd | I have samba running and I see smbd deamon listening only to tcp6 socket |
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| 13:35.52 | hark | dutchfish: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options |
| 13:36.24 | dutchfish | hark, wow, even better i was searching for thta one already a long time, thanks |
| 13:36.46 | hark | np |
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| 13:38.47 | hark | dutchfish: i found this simple guide http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 13:39.02 | \amethyst | ronr: you'd have to follow "the flexible way" in the docs, but 128MB might not be enough |
| 13:41.09 | dutchfish | hark, that would be my next question ;) thanks. Should i include debug info in my bugreport in the form of debugging logs on crash? is that usefull? |
| 13:41.09 | \amethyst | ronr: I guess the businesscard will fit in that, but the netinst will not |
| 13:41.10 | ronr | \amethyst: ok, thx, I'll first try and find a larger usb drive then, maybe there's one hanging around here somewhere |
| 13:41.10 | \amethyst | ronr: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
| 13:41.10 | \amethyst | ronr: and http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ has the businesscard image |
| 13:41.11 | hark | dutchfish: i guess, some cases the maintainer will ask for it |
| 13:41.12 | dutchfish | hark, ok |
| 13:41.20 | \amethyst | ronr: 256MB is enough... anything bigger will be wasted anyway, if you use boot.img.gz |
| 13:41.29 | dutchfish | hark, topic is thread starvation |
| 13:41.49 | dutchfish | hark, thanks again |
| 13:41.58 | ronr | \amethyst: yes, found a 2gb drive :D |
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| 13:49.22 | ethanol | how can I search for files ending in ~ ? |
| 13:49.29 | ethanol | find -f . *~ |
| 13:49.31 | ethanol | doesn't seem to work |
| 13:49.50 | ethanol | err sorry, without -f |
| 13:50.42 | negge | ethanol: try putting it inside '' signs, like find . '*~' |
| 13:50.45 | Titan8990_ | ethanol, find . -name '*\~' |
| 13:50.51 | negge | oh yeah |
| 13:51.13 | Titan8990_ | negge, i actually just tested it, works your way without escaping the ~ as well |
| 13:51.30 | ethanol | no negge's way matches everything for me :| |
| 13:51.39 | ethanol | (without -name) |
| 13:52.10 | Titan8990_ | your searching for a file by name.... |
| 13:52.34 | Titan8990_ | i was just saying that you don't need to escape the "~" |
| 13:52.56 | Titan8990_ | ethanol, find . -name '*\~' OR find . -name '*~' |
| 13:53.04 | ethanol | yes :) |
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| 13:53.55 | negge | okay |
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| 13:56.37 | Lorcan | hey guys, i get an xf86pcivideoinfo is not set error everytime i try to start my hosted virtual server. anoyone got some time to dig into that? |
| 13:57.01 | Lorcan | sry - everytime i run startx.. |
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| 13:57.41 | valdyn | Lorcan: why would you start X on a hosted virtual server? |
| 13:59.41 | Lorcan | good question.. i'd like it to use the server for private browsing.. its too umcofortable to start a tunnel and configurate firefox |
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| 14:15.17 | valdyn | Lorcan: its a hosted virtual server, it does not even have a monitor you have access to, nor a gfx card, you can hardly start X on that |
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| 14:17.21 | Lorcan | valdyn: i'm pretty shure there is a way.. i managed to do it before. but can't remember how.. |
| 14:17.31 | valdyn | Lorcan: you didnt, and its a silly idea |
| 14:17.42 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 14:17.42 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 14:18.54 | Lorcan | ok, thank you. i'll give it a try. |
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| 14:34.51 | ggmariotti | With dmesg I get this(or similar) recurring message: [106136.563457] usb 1-2:1.0: uevent. Does anybody know how do I map those numbers(1-2:1.0) to my actual usb peripheral? I tried to look at lsusb, but it doesn't seem to list peripherals with numbers that have the same meaning. |
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| 14:35.37 | abrotman | ggmariotti: lsusb -v ? |
| 14:36.15 | Jygga | Lorcan if you want to detach fromt hat you can take a look at xvfb too |
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| 14:36.42 | ggmariotti | abrotman: I did that, but I can't find similarities between the info it gives and those numbers. |
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| 14:37.46 | abrotman | bus 2, device 1? |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | maybe there isn't a correlation |
| 14:38.20 | valdyn | or maybe its all listed in /sys |
| 14:38.42 | ggmariotti | abrotman: I thought that, but lsusb doesn't report anything on bus2 device 1. |
| 14:38.43 | valdyn | ggmariotti: ls /sys/bus/usb |
| 14:38.46 | valdyn | ggmariotti: ls /sys/bus/usb/devices |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | is that a maybe maybe .. or maybe we morons hsould go look? :) |
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| 14:38.58 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
| 14:39.02 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:39.38 | valdyn | abrotman: I didnt know it, i just found it |
| 14:39.49 | Lorcan | Jygga: seems to be an interesting alternative, thx. I use foxproxy now, sometimes you have to be asked what you really why you want something to remember it ;) |
| 14:40.25 | valdyn | Lorcan: the fast solution would be for instance privoxy on the server and a ssh tunnel |
| 14:40.53 | Jygga | i have no idea what you are trying to do to be honest :P |
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| 14:41.17 | valdyn | hes trying to make it look like the websurfer is sitting on the vps |
| 14:41.23 | Lorcan | yes, i think its the best soltion too. |
| 14:41.23 | ggmariotti | valdyn: you're probably right, I'll try looking there, thanks. man, I should have thought about that, I'm an idiot! |
| 14:41.34 | Jygga | aha ye well |
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| 14:42.10 | Jygga | install a tor node ;) |
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| 14:42.53 | Lorcan | ever tryedto use "youtube" and stuff on tor? :D |
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| 14:43.46 | liable | why would you load a tor node up just for youtube? |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | note "and stuff" |
| 14:44.20 | Lorcan | abrotman: that'sit |
| 14:44.21 | liable | pedant! |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | dislikes people that abuse tor ... |
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| 14:45.12 | Lorcan | would never do that. by the way, i got an exit node running on the server too. |
| 14:45.40 | FSB_1 | I'm tryign to install lenny onto a compag dl380 (pentium 3 processor if that matters), the controller finds the hdds. And the hdds are configured to be in a raid5-array. The disk (or disks if you will) cant be found by the debian installer though. It's a Smararray 5i, and after a quick google I'm supposed to use CCISS for that controller. However, it doesn't work. I'm not used to Linux and Debian... What to do next? |
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| 14:47.19 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 14:47.19 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. |
| 14:47.25 | valdyn | FSB_1: ^^^ |
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| 14:47.34 | FSB_1 | I cant get past the installer. |
| 14:47.54 | FSB_1 | I cannot install Debian onto the machine. |
| 14:48.05 | FSB_1 | (Since it cant find the hdd's) |
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| 14:51.35 | valdyn | FSB_1: you dont need to repeat |
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| 14:57.34 | NoReflex | Hey guys! I have a problem with a USB storage device. In fact it's a PNA (navi) that has 2 GB of internal storage. I can connect and browse the files and it shows up in /media/TFAT. The problem is on one device I can see 2 GB...but on the other only 500 MB. I tried fdisk but it doesn't show any partitions on it. It runs WinCE6.0 ... but I don't think that's my problem. |
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| 14:58.13 | NoReflex | in /var/log/messages I can see : kernel: [18194.007623] sd 19:0:0:0: [sdb] 460976 4096-byte logical blocks: (1.88 GB/1.75 GiB) |
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| 14:59.39 | abrotman | one device? other? do they both have the same message in dmesg ? |
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| 15:01.13 | `GMF` | my system has 4Gb of phisical ram but I just noticed that my kernel just recognize 3gb |
| 15:01.31 | `GMF` | MemTotal: 3106348 kB |
| 15:01.33 | valdyn | !bigmem |
| 15:01.34 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem. |
| 15:01.45 | `GMF` | =) |
| 15:01.46 | valdyn | `GMF`: ^^ |
| 15:01.52 | NoReflex | abrotman: I have two new identical devices. they both show up in /var/log/messages...and the message is the same |
| 15:01.54 | `GMF` | valdyn ^__^ |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | NoReflex: as root: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 15:02.39 | valdyn | dpkg: bigmem ~= s/hacks like // |
| 15:02.39 | dpkg | valdyn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:02.46 | valdyn | dpkg: bigmem =~ s/hacks like // |
| 15:02.46 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 15:03.11 | abrotman | since it fails to mention that you actually need an amd64 CPU |
| 15:03.34 | NoReflex | abrotman : http://debian.pastebin.com/d58680c91 |
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| 15:04.29 | valdyn | dpkg: bigmem =~ s/Alternatively, /Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, / |
| 15:04.29 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 15:04.43 | NoReflex | What I don't understand is how can the system mount the "data" if there's no filesystem and no partition table on the device... |
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| 15:04.59 | valdyn | NoReflex: why would it need a partition table? |
| 15:05.11 | valdyn | NoReflex: it cannot mount if theres no filesystem however |
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| 15:05.59 | valdyn | NoReflex: partition tables are just a away to split your disk, they dont somehow magically enable filesystems |
| 15:06.06 | NoReflex | valdyn: I always thought that first are the partitions defined and then the filesystems...a filesystem can be defined without a partition? |
| 15:06.11 | bulsa | how do I activate the PowerDevil plasmoid in debian testing? |
| 15:06.44 | NoReflex | If I run mount I can see a line like: /dev/sdb on /media/TFAT type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) |
| 15:06.45 | abrotman | that's interesting |
| 15:06.57 | valdyn | NoReflex: a filesystem only implements an api in the kernel |
| 15:07.12 | valdyn | NoReflex: ( see network file systems for example ) |
| 15:07.21 | valdyn | NoReflex: or /proc |
| 15:07.25 | NoReflex | valdyn: like smb, cifs, nfs? |
| 15:07.37 | valdyn | NoReflex: sure |
| 15:07.40 | NoReflex | *smbfs, sshfs... |
| 15:08.18 | valdyn | NoReflex: now were at fuse, but thats the same deal "an api, just in userspace" |
| 15:08.18 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know if it can be done with a hard drive, but a USB drive can be used directly without creating a partition. |
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| 15:09.03 | valdyn | NoReflex: your vfat implements a filesystem and needs just a block device, not a specific block device like a disk partition |
| 15:09.05 | Niklas- | Hmm, when a machine kernel panics, isn't there a way to reboot it without turning on/off the power? ctrl+alt+delete doesn't work :( |
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| 15:09.18 | NoReflex | The PNA has a setting which allows me to configure the USB Mode of the device. I can select Mass Storage and ActiveSync. |
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| 15:10.12 | valdyn | NoReflex: that thing is detected ( in dmesg ) showing 1.8G and only mounting with 500G ? |
| 15:10.15 | valdyn | NoReflex: that thing is detected ( in dmesg ) showing 1.8G and only mounting with 500; ? |
| 15:10.25 | valdyn | i meant 500M, naturally |
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| 15:10.52 | jhutchins_lt | Niklas-: Not unless you have a reset button. The system is halted, there is no mechanism listening for a reboot signal. |
| 15:10.59 | NoReflex | another curios fact is that if I run gparted is "sees" /dev/sdb as having 218 MB and is unnallocated |
| 15:11.34 | valdyn | NoReflex: its not difficult to make a filesystem smaller than the underlying storage device |
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| 15:13.53 | NoReflex | valdyn: gparted doesn't detect a filesystem...it just says partition unallocated, filesystem unallocated, size 219.64 |
| 15:14.29 | valdyn | NoReflex: gparted is stupid about filesystems |
| 15:14.35 | valdyn | NoReflex: it operates on partitions |
| 15:14.42 | valdyn | NoReflex: no surprise there |
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| 15:15.12 | valdyn | NoReflex: i dont know why its seeing the wrong size though |
| 15:15.19 | NoReflex | also if I run df -h it says: /dev/sdb 1.8G 1.8G 20M 99% /media/TFAT but if I select all the files on the device the add up to: 484.7 MB |
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| 15:15.38 | valdyn | NoReflex: hidden files? |
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| 15:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | NoReflex: Looks like you need to do some reading on filesystems. |
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| 15:17.01 | valdyn | i dont know if vfat could have anonymouse files too |
| 15:17.07 | NoReflex | there are no hidden files...I did ls -lah as root... |
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| 15:17.37 | justin | NoReflex: du -hs /media/TFAT |
| 15:17.52 | EasyTUX | !Warning! : Sound kernel part _MUST_BE_ built as module (M) I mean NOT (*) ] FOR iceweasel to play sound with its replacement of flash... (I still didn't test with libflash64 on fire). |
| 15:18.05 | NoReflex | du -h --max-depth=0 /media/TFAT/ gives : 485M /media/TFAT/ |
| 15:18.10 | valdyn | EasyTUX: nonsense |
| 15:18.25 | EasyTUX | valdyn: Why ? |
| 15:18.44 | EasyTUX | valdyn: Did you test this ? |
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| 15:19.01 | EasyTUX | valdyn: I did... |
| 15:19.10 | valdyn | EasyTUX: no, and im not going to, and this is still nonsense |
| 15:19.29 | EasyTUX | valdyn: Go testing it and come back dude... |
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| 15:20.18 | EasyTUX | valdyn: Though it may be an exception on qemu-kvm guested lenny but I doubt of it... |
| 15:21.41 | `GMF` | lol valdyn, i was using a kmuto kernel, now network ifaces are not recognized with the bigmem lenny kernel |
| 15:21.48 | FSB_1 | valdyn: Seems like a known problem with the first generation dl380s. |
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| 15:22.55 | kjoonlee | hi |
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| 15:24.26 | NoReflex | justin: du -hs /media/TFAT has the same otuput as du -h --max-depth=0 /media/TFAT : 485M /media/TFAT |
| 15:27.59 | kjoonlee | What's a good alternative for dselect? |
| 15:28.17 | kjoonlee | dselect alternative for the console, that is. |
| 15:28.20 | NoReflex | I tried it on a windows computer to...it show the same 1.8 GB size, 20 MB free but the files only have a cumulated size of 485 MB |
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| 15:29.09 | NoReflex | kjoonlee: you mean like apt-get? |
| 15:29.43 | kjoonlee | NoReflex: like, search frontend with selection management |
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| 15:30.42 | krionux | does a cron could be formated like |
| 15:30.51 | krionux | 0 2 * * * user command |
| 15:30.57 | krionux | 0 is it allowed ? |
| 15:30.58 | NoReflex | kjoonlee: apt-get can seach; "apt-cache search" |
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| 15:31.39 | kjoonlee | NoReflex: No thanks, though ;) |
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| 15:32.45 | kjoonlee | NoReflex: It looks like aptitude (which I've never used before) is what I should use for the time being |
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| 15:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | krionux: Yes, 0 = midnight. |
| 15:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | krionux: 0 0 * * * would also be allowed. |
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| 15:41.50 | justin | or, as someone who has read the crontab documentation would use, @midnight |
| 15:42.10 | jelly | justin: yuck |
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| 15:42.34 | justin | what, not obfuscated enough for you? |
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| 15:46.00 | marcriera | hello |
| 15:46.10 | marcriera | anybody using puppet and puppetmaster? |
| 15:46.13 | Python1320 | I have a pentium III coppermine, which processor family should I choose? 586 or some from the pentium options? |
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| 15:46.37 | adb | 686 |
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| 15:47.06 | mesula | I just installed Ubuntu 9.10 with the encrypted home directory option and with a swap partition. How do I tell if my swap partition is encrypted? |
| 15:47.30 | adb | ask #ubuntu |
| 15:47.39 | mesula | adb: I'm banned there. |
| 15:47.48 | Gun_Smoke | mesula: too bad |
| 15:47.54 | Gun_Smoke | no one here cares |
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| 15:48.18 | marcriera | :D |
| 15:48.21 | adb | mesula, just install debian |
| 15:48.29 | marcriera | nobody uses puppetmaster? |
| 15:48.40 | justin | or, learn how to ask questions that don't contain the word 'ubuntu' |
| 15:48.55 | abrotman | marcriera: i think more people have been using cfengine ? |
| 15:48.58 | justin | !+anyone |
| 15:48.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | justin: please don't tell him to do that |
| 15:49.03 | mesula | I just installed an OS with the encrypted home directory option and with a swap partition. How do I tell if my swap partition is encrypted? |
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| 15:49.11 | justin | mesula: fail |
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| 15:49.28 | abrotman | mesula: You've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 15:49.38 | Gun_Smoke | :) |
| 15:49.43 | marcriera | abrotman: i do not manage to get puppet up and running on 4 hours, i'll go with cfengine. but i want to give it a chance |
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| 15:50.20 | justin | !tell marcriera about ask |
| 15:50.24 | abrotman | marcriera: okay, well, ask and be patient, you may also want to ask the debian-user mailing list |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | marcriera: or actually ask a real question |
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| 15:51.26 | marcriera | i've installed 3 debian machines (virtualbox) for testring pourposes. So one is intended to be the master and the other 2 the clientes. |
| 15:51.46 | marcriera | i install puppetmaster (apt) on the master and only the puppet (apt) on clientes |
| 15:52.09 | marcriera | then i go to the master on fileserver.conf and change my ip range to allow |
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| 15:52.30 | marcriera | and i set the server value to my master on clients (as an ip) |
| 15:52.51 | marcriera | then i shut the daemons down on all of them. start the master, then the clients. |
| 15:53.04 | marcriera | then i do puppetca -l on the master and nothing happens |
| 15:53.35 | justin | marcriera: name your puppet master server 'puppet' |
| 15:53.39 | marcriera | so i do a small site.pp manifest, cut and paste from the installation howto , you know the sudo file. |
| 15:53.40 | justin | then you dont have to configure anything |
| 15:53.47 | justin | marcriera: no. |
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| 15:53.58 | justin | marcriera: if you do not get anything in puppetca editing manifests will not help you |
| 15:54.04 | justin | you are just wasting your time at that point |
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| 15:54.26 | marcriera | i knew it. Yeahh. thanks. |
| 15:54.39 | justin | fix your server configuration and it will work just fine |
| 15:54.59 | justin | undo whatever you mean by 'and i set the server value to my master on clients (as an ip)' and just change the hostname on the server to 'puppet' |
| 15:55.01 | marcriera | i change the master name to puppet, and add it to /etc/hosts on clients ? |
| 15:55.25 | justin | one or the other, you don't need to add it to /etc/hosts if it is actually named puppet |
| 15:55.45 | marcriera | but is not in the dns yet |
| 15:55.53 | justin | then use /etc/hosts |
| 15:55.57 | marcriera | they are in the same network , |
| 15:55.59 | marcriera | ok, hosts |
| 15:56.05 | marcriera | give me 2 min |
| 15:56.08 | marcriera | please |
| 15:56.09 | marcriera | :) |
| 15:56.23 | iluminator101 | Tor can't bind to 9050 because localhost is listening to that port, how do i find a way around this? |
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| 15:57.16 | teratoma | iluminator101: what is listening on port 9050? i think you can use 'lsof' or 'netstat' to find out |
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| 15:58.19 | marcriera | dilema : which was the server definition on the client at the beggining? |
| 15:58.27 | marcriera | on puppet.conf |
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| 15:58.56 | marcriera | oooo, ok, there was no definition. sorry |
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| 16:01.15 | _newbie3 | ciao |
| 16:01.16 | iluminator101 | teratoma: in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 16:01.17 | _newbie3 | !list |
| 16:01.17 | dpkg | _newbie3: VATTENE VIA |
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| 16:01.55 | gypsymauro | what's the name of the windows manager used by gnome? |
| 16:02.08 | iluminator101 | teratoma:netstat does not show 9050 |
| 16:02.32 | justin | iluminator101: "localhost is listening to that port" makes no sense |
| 16:02.49 | justin | !tell iluminator101 about ask |
| 16:03.11 | teratoma | iluminator101: what happens when you " telnet loaclhost 9050 " |
| 16:03.19 | NoReflex | gypsymauro: metacity? |
| 16:04.27 | iluminator101 | tertoma:i have snort installed its my belief it uses that port |
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| 16:05.22 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 16:06.45 | teratoma | iluminator101: i think you are confused. can you install 'lsof' ? |
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| 16:07.33 | iluminator101 | telnet localhost 9050 --> trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 16:07.43 | teratoma | that is nice. can you install 'lsof' ? |
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| 16:07.55 | marcriera | sorry the delay, changingg the hostnames is giving me other ip's |
| 16:08.01 | marcriera | i must change this. |
| 16:08.11 | iluminator101 | teratoma: lsof | grep 9050 would that be right |
| 16:08.40 | justin | iluminator101: reading the 'ask' factoid and doing what it says would be right |
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| 16:09.04 | justin | continuing to make no sense and go on and on about something probably completely unrelated to your problem would be wrong |
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| 16:09.45 | penta | hi, anyone knows how i can setting up a restriction on the interface so as so setting there no more ip addresses e.g. max quantity of aliases |
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| 16:11.22 | tonsofpcs | how do I switch X/GDM/GNOME to 24bpp or 32bpp instead of 16bpp? is there a gui tool or a standard method for changing the X config that I should use? [sid] |
| 16:11.29 | skysong | hello all, im still having trouble burning at more than 1.4x in lenny.. can anyone point me to a solution? |
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| 16:11.45 | benedikt | tonsofpcs: gnome-display-manager maybe? or just xorg.conf |
| 16:11.53 | skysong | i dont want to have a second os only to burn backup dvds:/ |
| 16:12.02 | tonsofpcs | thanks benedikt |
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| 16:12.08 | macrobat | i dont get all apps included in the (debian) menu in awesome. like OOo, gimp, epdfview. I installed xorg and xdg-menu as instructed, but that didnt change anything in the menu. |
| 16:12.42 | macrobat | skysong: maybe it depends on the burning app |
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| 16:13.14 | marcriera | justin: many thanks. it's working |
| 16:13.21 | skysong | macrobat: thanks for replying! i tried brasero (failed but with decent speeds when burning isos) and k3b, which managed to hit 1.6x |
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| 16:13.35 | marcriera | justin: do you have any other tip/advice for me? |
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| 16:14.52 | justin | marcriera: lots of good stuff here: http://git.black.co.at/ |
| 16:15.39 | kakarot | hi, i have an issue that i can't explain. one month ago i build a software raid 5, the disk was resyncing about two hours and the speed was about 120000 K/s. Later I erased the raid. Now I have building the raid again, with the same hardware and I get about 30000 K/s and a estimated time to resync o about 300 min, does anybody know what is this for ? |
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| 16:16.33 | skysong | anyone has an advice for the slow burning speeds? |
| 16:17.38 | cahoot | plain growisofs or wodim? |
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| 16:17.58 | skysong | growisofs |
| 16:18.03 | teratoma | iluminator101: sure, that works. what does it say? |
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| 16:18.53 | macrobat | wodim has a speed option |
| 16:19.25 | iluminator101 | tertoma: nothing, and i looked myself its not listed as ouput from lsof |
| 16:19.39 | skysong | macrobat: but could it be a problem with the kernel? |
| 16:19.56 | cahoot | no complaints in dmesg? |
| 16:19.59 | skysong | strangely i didn't have any problem when i tried in ubuntu (had to install a second iso) |
| 16:20.06 | skysong | second os** |
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| 16:20.19 | teratoma | iluminator101: ok are you trying to run a local tor node? trying to run something through tor? what is the error? |
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| 16:21.35 | macrobat | skysong: maybe you have some config option set to slow speed, idk what k3b uses as a back end |
| 16:22.29 | skysong | hmm let me just retry and ill let you know after playing with the setting.. i wasted ~9 dvds since this morning..:/ |
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| 16:23.48 | iluminator101 | teratoma: http://debian.pastebin.com/def19900 |
| 16:24.22 | macrobat | skysong: maybe forums.debian.org knows |
| 16:24.47 | skysong | it doesn't im afraid.. tried everything i could to have it working |
| 16:24.54 | skysong | irc was my last resort.. |
| 16:25.42 | teratoma | iluminator101: in the tor config file, try a different port than 9050 |
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| 16:32.11 | roro_ | I need help with Debian Squeeze network issues. I installed Squeeze yesterday and I can't get the network status notification to show as connected. Everything can connect except for Epiphany. Can anyone here help me? |
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| 16:32.33 | setuid | is there a way to do a "wide" listing (multiple columns) of dpkg -l output? |
| 16:32.49 | iluminator101 | teratoma: which is tor config file torrc or tor-tsocks.conf |
| 16:32.53 | setuid | Just package name will do, doesn't have to be name|version|description |
| 16:33.08 | teratoma | iluminator101: edit torrc. |
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| 16:34.42 | iluminator101 | teratoma:same error with different port |
| 16:35.09 | iluminator101 | i gotta go thanks for your help |
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| 16:38.24 | macrobat | setuid: how do you mean, dpkg -l is four columns |
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| 16:38.50 | roro_ | Does anybody know why my Network Status would show as disconnected, while it actually is connected and every program except epiphany can connect? |
| 16:39.11 | macrobat | setuid: you want longer descriptions? |
| 16:39.22 | setuid | macrobat, No, I want 4 columns (or more) of just package names) |
| 16:39.30 | setuid | So I don't have to scroll this big long list |
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| 16:39.50 | setuid | I'm trying to rip out most of the default install, and get back to a slim, non-graphical, no cruft, bootable system |
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| 16:40.22 | beardy | "Default install" has no graphical cruft. |
| 16:40.36 | macrobat | setuid: seems like a job for awk |
| 16:40.45 | setuid | macrobat, I was trying to avoid that ;) |
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| 16:41.09 | roro_ | No thoughts on my issue? Thanks anyway. |
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| 16:41.25 | beardy | Patience. |
| 16:41.30 | tonsofpcs | benedikt: hmm... no xorg.conf on this box.... |
| 16:41.48 | tonsofpcs | how do I switch X/GDM/GNOME to 24bpp or 32bpp instead of 16bpp? is there a gui tool or a standard method for changing the X config that I should use? [sid -- there is no "xorg.conf"] |
| 16:41.51 | abrotman | roro_: you mean NetworkManager shows it disconnected ? |
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| 16:42.00 | setuid | dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | perl -pi -e 's,^(.*?)\n,$1\t\t,g' |
| 16:42.00 | dpkg | ii | awk '{print $2}' | perl -pi -e 's,^(.*?)\n,$1\t\t,g' 1.6-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:42.05 | setuid | gak |
| 16:42.11 | setuid | 'dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | perl -pi -e 's,^(.*?)\n,$1\t\t,g' |
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| 16:42.38 | roro_ | the status in the notification area, but it is actually connected |
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| 16:43.13 | benedikt | tonsofpcs: X :1 -configure |
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| 16:43.29 | roro_ | If I try anything with the network manager, nothing happens |
| 16:43.32 | tonsofpcs | benedikt: hmm? |
| 16:43.44 | setuid | I'm down to 486 packages... still too many ;) |
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| 16:44.32 | roro_ | this is an odd problem I have never seen with Debian nor Ubuntu |
| 16:44.33 | benedikt | setuid: to many for what? |
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| 16:47.53 | marcriera | justin: many thanks . owsome link. |
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| 16:50.29 | abrotman | roro_: in gnome? is it networkmanager? does pidgin work? |
| 16:51.15 | abrotman | roro_: recently pidgin added some code where (unless run with a specific flag) it would wait for NetworkManager to say it was connected before it would work .. yes, it's dumb |
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| 17:08.01 | tonsofpcs | benedikt: didn't work |
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| 17:14.28 | PepperBob | hi guys.. |
| 17:14.33 | Brad3 | howdy |
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| 17:14.33 | `GMF` | hi PepperBob |
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| 17:15.06 | PepperBob | tried to print a simple ps document through "lp" on a printer installed via cups - but no luck |
| 17:15.15 | PepperBob | instead of printing the actual layout in just printed the ps code |
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| 17:15.55 | PepperBob | any experiences with printing ps documents straight to a printer? |
| 17:15.59 | pav5088 | I'm attempting to install some experimental software onto a Squeeze installation. It's looking for libmemcache3 which seems to be available in Sid but not Squeeze. It has been there for over a week. How do I tell what's stopping it from making it into Squeeze? |
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| 17:16.28 | jelly | !tell pav5088 -about why is libmemcache3 not in testing |
| 17:17.25 | `GMF` | PepperBob, have you tried lpr command ? |
| 17:18.05 | PepperBob | `GMF`, yeah i installed the bsd cupsys stuff but no luck with lpr either.. |
| 17:18.30 | roro_ | abrotman: yes, I am using gnome, I just installed Pidgin, it says, "waiting on network" |
| 17:18.35 | PepperBob | `GMF`, i changed setup to have a "raw queue" - but then nothing came out at all |
| 17:19.07 | PepperBob | i'm not too experienced with setting up and using printers so i'm a bit lost... :/ |
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| 17:20.02 | pav5088 | jelly, a useful tool |
| 17:20.19 | pav5088 | it was really libmemcacheD3, but I modified the URL |
| 17:20.20 | jelly | esp. when the correct package name is given, yes |
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| 17:21.03 | jelly | if you're running squeeze, doing a backport will be easy |
| 17:21.14 | jelly | pav5088: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:21.56 | jelly | I won't suggest going the easy route and using the sid binary package as-is because there may be gotchas (additional sid dependencies) |
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| 17:25.46 | hark | pav5088: you should be able to install it directly, no need for a ssb. just get rid of libmemcached2 |
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| 17:30.11 | pav5088 | hark, it looks like eglibc is the source package for a lot of the glibc packages, so perhaps it isn't so easy... |
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| 17:30.50 | pav5088 | I guess that's why it isn't coming over so quickly... lots of bugs and lots of fixes. |
| 17:31.03 | jelly | pav5088: correct eglibc IS the libc for Debian. |
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| 17:31.30 | moqq | how can i display any current mount binds? (e.g. fstab: /mnt/vol2/etc/mysql /etc/mysql none bind) |
| 17:31.42 | ranix | eglibc should currently be binary compatable with glibc |
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| 17:31.55 | ranix | (note the qualifier should) |
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| 17:33.00 | jelly | moqq: uh... paste /proc/mounts, or maybe df -T |
| 17:33.04 | thc | !kingsleysmite thc |
| 17:33.04 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer thc: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.836719928856624! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 17:33.08 | thc | Sweet. |
| 17:33.10 | jelly | moqq: sorry, |
| 17:33.17 | jelly | moqq: sorry, _parse_ /proc/mounts |
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| 17:33.36 | moqq | jelly: yeah, that's what i figured you meant |
| 17:33.48 | pav5088 | jelly, there have been five revisions since the 18th Oct |
| 17:33.58 | shtrb | Anyone have experiance with Junipers (netscreen) firewalls , im searching for a debian based solution (sorry im a lamer that need to work in windows networks) |
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| 17:35.15 | jelly | shtrb: um, can you be more specific, debian based solution for what? I usually telnet or ssh to any managed network gear. |
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| 17:36.46 | shtrb | jelly , im a newb .. i used to work with only linux componies and now i started to work on some unkown system that is called windows (sorry total newb) , while my gear is debian based (main and contrib without non-free ) im searching for an open solution to be able to login into the net |
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| 17:37.50 | shtrb | I worked with ssh but never with that "NetScreen tunnels" |
| 17:39.06 | pav5088 | shtrb, can you route traffic through a windows machine? Perhaps that's your best bet. |
| 17:39.15 | pav5088 | (ie. least effort) |
| 17:39.52 | shtrb | this is my last resort (running windows in a vm just for that is bad thing ... ) |
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| 17:40.22 | Titan8990_ | shtrb, wait.. what kind of devices are you trying to connect to that to support a standard protocol? |
| 17:40.31 | Titan8990_ | err don't |
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| 17:41.24 | Titan8990_ | works on a mostly windows/cisco network entirely from debian |
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| 17:42.17 | pav5088 | shtrb, it seems they make a linux client : http://david.dw-perspective.org.uk/Juniper-Networks-SSL-VPN-Client-On-Linux.html |
| 17:42.20 | shtrb | well i never heard about this product before , googling provided the info that this some sort of close software |
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| 17:42.35 | moty66 | Is it true that the future of debian will be UNIX ? |
| 17:42.43 | shtrb | what ?! |
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| 17:42.50 | shtrb | moty66 , what ?! |
| 17:43.01 | moty66 | Does debian plan to use unix instead of linux in future ? |
| 17:43.10 | Titan8990_ | moty66, because SCO is doing so well? |
| 17:43.14 | pav5088 | blinks |
| 17:43.14 | Titan8990_ | lol |
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| 17:43.27 | pav5088 | moty66, do you mean one of the BSDs? |
| 17:43.32 | shtrb | moty66, afaik debian get an option to run kfreebsd but not more then that |
| 17:44.00 | shtrb | Titan8990 , are you famuiler with this product (netscreen) |
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| 17:45.31 | Titan8990_ | shtrb, no, I have not worked with juniper products |
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| 17:45.59 | moty66 | ah, ok. I was reading an article in italian, and they were saying that debian in the future will be based in systems like BSD or SOLARIS, but the articie was not clear about this point. |
| 17:46.10 | pav5088 | shtrb, it looks like the client is some kind of web hosted java thingy... the link I posted should allow you to get the prerequisites you need working. Apparently Linux support is built in... although you do have to have some prerequisite binaries installed on your Linux OS |
| 17:46.40 | shtrb | pav5088 , the link you provided is one of the ones i allready read |
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| 17:47.00 | shtrb | i'm searching for free software , or at least cli based |
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| 17:47.25 | shtrb | starting to feel like an idiot |
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| 17:48.18 | pav5088 | shtrb, I've used something similar (OpenVPN-ALS) and it's open source and web hosted.... |
| 17:48.33 | pav5088 | I don't think what you're looking for exists... |
| 17:48.46 | silidan | hi is it possible to lock the mouse to a window? (gnome with openbox) |
| 17:49.06 | shtrb | pav5088 , why don't they just use Debian servers as all other normal people .. |
| 17:49.26 | pav5088 | If it works anything like OpenVPN-ALS then you'll need to use a browser and have Java and supporting binaries installed. |
| 17:50.19 | pav5088 | I guess the reason why they use this kind of thing is it's (L)user friendly and graphical. |
| 17:50.51 | moqq | how can i get the output of "somethign | awk {print $1}" to be space delim on a single line, rather than on many lines? |
| 17:51.09 | shtrb | moqq , xargs ? |
| 17:51.59 | moqq | shtrb: thanks |
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| 17:52.09 | shtrb | moqq , np |
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| 17:53.37 | Cerise | is there a way to make applications started in an ssh session with X stay running after disconnect? |
| 17:54.18 | shtrb | Cerise , with gui or not ? |
| 17:54.25 | shtrb | Cerise , you can use screem |
| 17:54.27 | shtrb | *screen |
| 17:55.02 | moty66 | is installing kFreeBSD |
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| 17:55.24 | Zelut | so far I've been able to automate all but two things with preseed. the one that is really bugging me is setting dvorak layout. |
| 17:55.37 | Zelut | anyone have much experience with preseed tell me what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 17:55.55 | nsadmin | shtrb (I gotta go but) it seems like you have to find out what you're logging into, and see if there's a client for that... if not, you're probably stuck with windows. you can also consider cygwin, which is some of the usual unix-alike tools running under windows, you get a unix commandline shell, grep head tail cat more less sort uniq (etc), there's even an x server |
| 17:56.55 | shtrb | nsadmin , hmm i prefer re routing with windows in a vm (since all my gear is deb based ) but thank you anyway |
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| 17:59.36 | silidan | how can i lock the mouse to a window ? (gnome/openbox) |
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| 18:00.56 | STF | servus |
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| 18:01.17 | Cerise | shtrb: iirc the program exists when i start it in screen |
| 18:01.19 | Cerise | *exits |
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| 18:01.56 | themill | Cerise: you'd need to run it inside an x-session that keeps running. Either a real x session on a real screen or use a virtual x session with vnc. |
| 18:02.15 | Cerise | okay |
| 18:03.11 | STF | i'm looking for a stupid fast way to configure my sshd in the way, that i can log in as a normal user and then, after i connected, to use the su root command to switch to root, in the moment i cannot authetificate me as root, that is damm stupid |
| 18:03.46 | shtrb | STF , what auth.log says ? |
| 18:05.01 | justin | STF: your problem has nothing to do with ssh |
| 18:05.22 | STF | what else? |
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| 18:05.44 | justin | !wayttd stf |
| 18:05.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, stf? |
| 18:05.54 | shtrb | for example it can be auth based |
| 18:06.14 | pistache | yes it does |
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| 18:06.39 | justin | if you can't su to root then the problem is clearly with su, and not ssh |
| 18:06.39 | pistache | STF: what's the actual situation ? |
| 18:06.43 | justin | the ssl part is irrelevant |
| 18:06.59 | STF | blah@DebianServer:~$ su root |
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| 18:07.01 | STF | Passwort: (password) |
| 18:07.03 | STF | su: Fehler bei Authentifizierung (Failure at authenfication) |
| 18:07.09 | pistache | oh |
| 18:07.09 | justin | STF: wrong password |
| 18:07.13 | STF | no |
| 18:07.16 | justin | yes |
| 18:07.17 | STF | no |
| 18:07.18 | pistache | yes |
| 18:07.26 | pistache | then check your auth.log |
| 18:07.41 | shtrb | perhaps pam based errors (i had one on server with debian ) |
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| 18:07.47 | pistache | i guess pam, yes |
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| 18:08.05 | STF | okay |
| 18:08.20 | shtrb | pidtache , on some LDAP based network a problamatic server (for example if down) will lock all users |
| 18:08.28 | STF | the auth.log (i forgot again the log dir) |
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| 18:09.11 | STF | where i found it |
| 18:09.13 | STF | ? |
| 18:09.18 | shtrb | /var/log |
| 18:09.22 | STF | thx |
| 18:09.27 | shtrb | np |
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| 18:12.01 | STF | the file say this: |
| 18:12.24 | STF | Nov 3 19:06:11 DebianServer su[14942]: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; logname=blah uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/2 ruser=blah rhost= user=root |
| 18:12.27 | STF | Nov 3 19:06:13 DebianServer su[14942]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure |
| 18:12.29 | STF | Nov 3 19:06:13 DebianServer su[14942]: FAILED su for root by blah |
| 18:12.48 | Signius | STF you would be better to use pastebin |
| 18:12.53 | shtrb | maybe there are more errors |
| 18:13.13 | STF | i also tried it with pastebin |
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| 18:13.48 | shtrb | and the link is ? |
| 18:13.58 | STF | what link? |
| 18:14.01 | mesaGL | haha |
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| 18:14.18 | STF | same failure |
| 18:14.19 | _echa | lol |
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| 18:14.47 | _echa | STF: please post your entire logfile into pastebin, and provide the link to it here, on the IRC channel |
| 18:15.22 | STF | give a website where i can do it |
| 18:15.28 | _echa | jesus |
| 18:15.29 | Signius | more like WTF than STF :) LMAO |
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| 18:15.49 | _echa | STF: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 18:15.51 | Signius | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 18:15.52 | STF | thx |
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| 18:16.16 | Signius | What the hell did you do before then when you said you had already tried pastebin |
| 18:16.19 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
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| 18:16.55 | Signius | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:19.00 | STF | http://pastebin.com/d619576c7 |
| 18:19.03 | abrotman | asfd.foo.com |
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| 18:20.20 | STF | i work with this sitituation since 1 month sry |
| 18:20.30 | _echa | ROFL |
| 18:21.23 | justin | STF: does your password have any funny accented characters in it or something? |
| 18:22.05 | shtrb | what does this say PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_gnome_keyring.so): /lib/security/pam_gnome_keyring.so: Kann die Shared-Object-Datei nicht ffnen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (i don't speak german) |
| 18:22.12 | shtrb | can |
| 18:22.17 | shtrb | can't find that file |
| 18:22.22 | shtrb | anyway try installing it |
| 18:22.36 | Signius | I'm not being funny if you cant even copy & paste and use pastebin i wouldnt let you anywhere near any of the servers i admin |
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| 18:22.53 | shtrb | Signius , don't be so harsh |
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| 18:22.58 | Adam_ | who have 1000h and debian and compiz or something like compiz? |
| 18:23.08 | abrotman | there is compiz |
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| 18:23.21 | shtrb | STF , could you install the missing file ? |
| 18:23.43 | Adam_ | abrotman: you have eee 1000h? |
| 18:23.50 | _echa | Signius: lol |
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| 18:24.16 | STF | okay |
| 18:24.17 | greycat | !anyone |
| 18:24.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:25.44 | STF | is that all? |
| 18:25.51 | justin | STF: does your password have any funny accented characters in it or something? |
| 18:26.01 | STF | yes |
| 18:26.02 | STF | !"§ |
| 18:26.15 | shtrb | it may make your console crazy .. |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman | Adam_: ask a better question .. |
| 18:26.31 | justin | STF: try typing that password at the shell prompt(don't need to hit enter) |
| 18:26.34 | STF | may bee but the shell have no probs |
| 18:26.41 | justin | STF: does it show up like you would expect? |
| 18:26.49 | justin | i have a feeling your password is not what you think it is |
| 18:26.56 | STF | it is |
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| 18:27.22 | justin | STF: no, it consists of a certain ammount of key presses that you know, you don't actually know what the password is |
| 18:27.37 | justin | STF: try chaning it temporarily to 12345 and see if your problem goes away |
| 18:27.53 | STF | ????? |
| 18:27.55 | shtrb | STF , and add the missing file |
| 18:27.59 | STF | wait for a minute |
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| 18:29.06 | STF | i am not a total newbe and and i install many packages over the shell with apt-get install but before i can use it i have to be recognized as root by the system |
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| 18:29.24 | greycat | STF: if you can login, you can probably use 'sudo apt-get ....' |
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| 18:29.27 | STF | and everytime i have to enter this pass |
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| 18:29.39 | justin | greycat: i give up, I have no idea what he is talking about anymore |
| 18:29.40 | greycat | remember that sudo asks you for your own password, not root's |
| 18:29.41 | shtrb | STF , there are two problems the password and the missing file |
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| 18:29.51 | STF | i know |
| 18:29.55 | justin | his pastebin clearly shows |
| 18:30.00 | greycat | justin: I came in in the middle of it, so I'm trying to piece together what the question is |
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| 18:30.01 | justin | # |
| 18:30.01 | justin | Nov 1 03:21:41 DebianServer su[3364]: Successful su for root by blah |
| 18:30.02 | shtrb | greycat , that is if he can sudo |
| 18:30.13 | STF | therefore i need to go into the rootshell or i need to use su root under the normal shell |
| 18:30.18 | justin | from tty1, so clearly he knows the root password |
| 18:30.41 | justin | but I have a feeling he used altgr or whatever and doesnt actually have that setup, so his password is some odd sequence of control charachters |
| 18:31.06 | shtrb | STF did you try to work with a "12345" password ? |
| 18:31.09 | STF | the password is an was ever for this stupid damm debianserver 123qwe!"§ |
| 18:31.28 | justin | 13:25 < justin> STF: does your password have any funny accented characters in it or something? |
| 18:31.31 | justin | 13:26 < STF> yes |
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| 18:31.41 | justin | !"? is not an accented character |
| 18:31.41 | dpkg | ...but " is already something else... |
| 18:31.46 | shtrb | STF change it ! |
| 18:32.00 | STF | no |
| 18:32.08 | justin | ooook |
| 18:32.10 | greycat | I would strongly recommend changing it if you just revealed it to IRC |
| 18:32.21 | greycat | I can't tell whether that was your literal password or not. Your English is confusing. |
| 18:32.21 | justin | STF: you do realize than the 'blah' password is different from the 'root' password, right? |
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| 18:32.54 | STF | it isn't an important the only thing what is working on it is a dc hub an also a apache webserver |
| 18:33.07 | STF | justin yes |
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| 18:33.31 | justin | STF: you are sitting in front of this machine now, right? |
| 18:33.35 | STF | no |
| 18:33.40 | justin | STF: # |
| 18:33.40 | justin | STF: Nov 1 03:21:41 DebianServer su[3364]: Successful su for root by blah |
| 18:33.40 | justin | # |
| 18:33.41 | justin | Nov 1 03:21:41 DebianServer su[3364]: + tty1 blah:root |
| 18:33.41 | STF | not directly |
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| 18:33.49 | justin | grr |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | eyes justin |
| 18:34.09 | justin | STF: so that wasn't you running su from the console on the machine? |
| 18:34.11 | STF | in the moment it has no keyboard no mouse no Display |
| 18:34.27 | STF | im connected over vnc over ssh |
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| 18:34.43 | justin | STF: Nov 1 03:21:41 DebianServer su[3364]: + tty1 blah:root |
| 18:34.47 | justin | STF: who was that? you? someone else? |
| 18:34.51 | abrotman | this is like rubegoldberg troubleshooting ... |
| 18:35.03 | justin | you claim you have had this problem for a month, but clearly you were able to su 2 days ago |
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| 18:35.20 | STF | blah is the stupid user, who can log in and root is what it is |
| 18:35.21 | _echa | i have to stop laughing now and go home |
| 18:35.23 | _echa | shame really |
| 18:35.34 | justin | STF: i give up |
| 18:35.37 | greycat | still doesn't even know what the question is. |
| 18:35.48 | justin | !+de |
| 18:35.48 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 18:35.58 | simonrvn | i stopped paying attention 15 minutes ago |
| 18:36.06 | mesaGL | stf is trwtf |
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| 18:36.12 | shingouz | i never did... :p |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | he can't su to root ... for about 12 different reasons i think |
| 18:36.23 | simonrvn | shingouz: hehe |
| 18:36.25 | STF | i want to know why i can use "su root" without probs on the normal shell, but not if i loged in over ssh |
| 18:36.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:36.39 | shtrb | STF , ssh login isn't like normal login |
| 18:36.55 | _echa | all dependent on the terminal emulation of your local client too |
| 18:36.56 | STF | i didnt say something like that |
| 18:37.32 | shtrb | STF this is what im saing while your tty will put german chars client not have to ! |
| 18:37.52 | Signius | Is SSH setup to only use keys or allow access from specific IP address's |
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| 18:38.14 | justin | Signius: irrelevant |
| 18:38.54 | greycat | Maybe his password has UTF-8 bytes in it, and he's typing on an ISO 8859-1 keyboard...? |
| 18:39.01 | justin | greycat: that's what I said like 20 minutes ago |
| 18:39.11 | justin | i told him to change his password to 12345 and try again |
| 18:39.21 | abrotman | and he argued about it |
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| 18:40.17 | STF | oay |
| 18:40.43 | STF | sry to take your time away |
| 18:40.56 | Signius | You need to do what people have suggested and try a password that doesnt have any weird charaters such as umlaut s |
| 18:41.03 | STF | ssh don't like !"§ |
| 18:41.08 | STF | as passwort |
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| 18:41.17 | greycat | I doubt ssh cares. Your terminal might. |
| 18:41.17 | STF | as text i can write it down |
| 18:41.34 | Signius | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=68130 |
| 18:41.34 | greycat | When in doubt, stick with US ASCII characters. |
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| 18:41.39 | STF | realy stupid |
| 18:41.39 | justin | SSH could be working fine, and the corrupt password is what you entered in the console, who knows |
| 18:41.54 | Signius | i know its a RH bug but it relates to what people are trying to explain |
| 18:42.00 | STF | there is a bug |
| 18:43.01 | justin | STF: last try |
| 18:43.02 | STF | i don't know why but it seems to be that if you use a password he understand the string !"§ wrong |
| 18:43.05 | justin | STF: change your password to 12345 |
| 18:43.11 | STF | yes |
| 18:43.11 | justin | STF: see if the problem goes away |
| 18:43.19 | STF | i changed the password |
| 18:43.23 | justin | and did the problem go away? |
| 18:43.26 | STF | and it works |
| 18:43.38 | justin | great, that only took half an hour |
| 18:43.40 | greycat | 13:41 greycat> When in doubt, stick with US ASCII characters. |
| 18:43.45 | dondelelcaro | the issue is that not every encoding of things like ü is the same. |
| 18:43.51 | STF | therefore i come to the conclusion that there most be a damm bug in my configurations |
| 18:43.58 | greycat | !locale |
| 18:43.58 | dpkg | [locale] set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 18:43.58 | Signius | so you have proved that the umlauts or other charaters are the cause of the problems |
| 18:44.01 | dondelelcaro | locale specific passwords are generally a bad idea |
| 18:44.02 | mesaGL | justin: i feel for you |
| 18:44.04 | greycat | !locales |
| 18:44.04 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 18:44.12 | STF | seemso |
| 18:44.25 | abrotman | wait .. didn't you guys say that like .. 15 minutes ago? |
| 18:44.28 | STF | i'm sry to waste your time |
| 18:44.35 | greycat | More than 15 minutes, I think. |
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| 18:45.00 | abrotman | STF: it's not that it was really a waste, but they did ask you to try it awhile ago. |
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| 18:45.15 | STF | i know |
| 18:45.16 | *** part/#debian GreySim (n=dennis@168.156.112.103) |
| 18:45.59 | STF | but couldn't believe that the system has a failure in encoding the chars right |
| 18:46.02 | Signius | This is one of the more friendly freenode IRC channels as well, if you want hostile try CentOS or Fedora channels :) they would not have been so patient i assure you |
| 18:46.25 | STF | thanks to you |
| 18:46.42 | dondelelcaro | STF: well, it's not really a failure, it's just an underlying complexity |
| 18:47.12 | dondelelcaro | STF: different strings of bytes resolve to different characters depending on which encoding you're using, and vice versa. |
| 18:47.16 | STF | yes but i used this pass on other debian lennys before without problems with ssh |
| 18:47.31 | justin | STF: where did you INITIALLY set the password? |
| 18:47.32 | dondelelcaro | STF: it'll work if you're using the same locale on all of the machines |
| 18:47.32 | greycat | STF: you have TWO systems involved. The one you're typing on, and the one you're sshing into. |
| 18:47.51 | Signius | You may have set the locales correctly on the other boxes tho |
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| 18:47.56 | shtrb | STF , and the client youre using as thirs |
| 18:47.59 | shtrb | *third |
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| 18:48.35 | STF | what do you want me to say? That i make a failure when i set the root password? |
| 18:48.44 | justin | STF: yes |
| 18:48.47 | STF | lol |
| 18:48.56 | STF | you are kidding me |
| 18:49.09 | justin | 13:07 < justin> STF: wrong password |
| 18:49.09 | justin | 13:07 < STF> no |
| 18:49.10 | dondelelcaro | STF: nah, it's fine. happens occasionally. |
| 18:49.13 | greycat | STF: I can't speak for the others, but I'd like you to understand that you might not have the same encoding on the two different computer systems. |
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| 18:50.18 | STF | if we take out the complexity of ssh login on this server, than i had never had problems with my first set password for the root account |
| 18:50.22 | Signius | Something must be different between the boxes use you logged from/into and the 2 boxes you been having this issue with at present |
| 18:50.46 | greycat | STF: when you type directly on the console of just one computer, there won't be an encoding mismatch, unless you changed the locale |
| 18:51.37 | STF | if there a difference between the systems it is not there failure in the password |
| 18:51.52 | shtrb | STF try the next :ssh blah@127.0.0.1 from the same machine |
| 18:51.52 | shtrb | STF , next try to su |
| 18:51.59 | STF | i use putty under windows to connect to the debian server |
| 18:52.11 | greycat | Yay, a detail! |
| 18:52.13 | shtrb | WINDOWS ?! |
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| 18:52.28 | STF | i also try out to connect from my macbook over conesole to the server |
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| 18:52.43 | shtrb | why , why didn't you say that ? windows uses cp based encoding not utf |
| 18:52.54 | STF | evry time the same probs |
| 18:52.58 | STF | sry |
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| 18:53.22 | justin | STF: stop using accented characters in your passwords and you will not have the "same prob" anymore |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | shtrb: I've learned long ago not to assume the person asking the question is actually using Debian, even when they're in #debian |
| 18:54.02 | shtrb | greycat , ok so they use some other distro gentoo is fine by me |
| 18:54.11 | format_c | shtrb, the terminal encoding is configurable. Default is AFAIK ISO-8859-1. |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 18:54.29 | greycat | shtrb: Or even Linux. Or even Unix. |
| 18:54.35 | STF | the stupid thing at all is, that an equal debianserver with exactly the same passwords combination works over putty |
| 18:54.37 | abrotman | (i don't think .. i thikn it defaulted to UTF8 starting with etch) |
| 18:54.46 | shtrb | format_c , on German windows ? |
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| 18:54.57 | STF | ? |
| 18:55.00 | STF | format_c? |
| 18:55.09 | justin | STF: the passwords are not "exactly the same" |
| 18:55.14 | format_c | shtrb, I just mean putty. Whichever Windows. |
| 18:55.30 | justin | 13:26 < justin> i have a feeling your password is not what you think it is |
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| 18:56.13 | format_c | shtrb, in a windows "Command" line for sure they use their shitty codepage stuff |
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| 18:56.45 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 18:57.16 | STF | in conclusion, putty use different char format then my debian ssh right? |
| 18:57.32 | greycat | That's one way to say it, I suppose. |
| 18:57.52 | format_c | yes one that's not very clear but not untrue |
| 18:58.05 | STF | okay |
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| 18:58.52 | STF | that is crazy, cause the text formatation is realy close |
| 18:59.59 | STF | do you know a real ssh client for the windows console? |
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| 19:00.13 | STF | where i do not have this problems? |
| 19:00.29 | greycat | That's not going to solve your problem. |
| 19:00.30 | format_c | Windows has no SSH client |
| 19:00.40 | format_c | AFAIK |
| 19:00.43 | cahoot | putty? |
| 19:00.43 | STF | i know |
| 19:00.58 | format_c | That's a program from a third vendor |
| 19:00.59 | markybob | http://www.raiden.net/articles/sshdos_bringing_ssh_to_the_windows_console/ |
| 19:01.13 | greycat | Your problem is you're entering UTF-8 characters at a password prompt in a Linux console, which means you've got multi-byte ("wide") characters in the actual password string, but you're using a Windows client that doesn't encode characters the same way. |
| 19:01.32 | macrobat | i dont get all apps included in the debian menu in awesome. like OOo, gimp, epdfview. I installed xorg and xdg-menu, nothing changed in the menu. |
| 19:01.58 | STF | greycat i understand |
| 19:01.59 | abrotman | macrobat: update-menu ? |
| 19:02.13 | abrotman | macrobat: wait .. in the "Debian" menu, or the fluxbox menu ? |
| 19:02.21 | mesaGL | greycat: actually wide chars and multibyte chars are somewhat different |
| 19:02.24 | abrotman | eh .. ignore that fluxbox bit :) |
| 19:02.39 | macrobat | theres a "debian" submenu in the awesome menu |
| 19:03.27 | mesaGL | greycat: man 3 mbrtowc, for example |
| 19:03.34 | STF | by the way does someone of know how to configure uhub? |
| 19:03.45 | abrotman | macrobat: not all applications have an entry there |
| 19:03.52 | abrotman | STF: in Debian? |
| 19:03.58 | STF | yes |
| 19:04.24 | STF | i can connect to it to |
| 19:04.26 | STF | o |
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| 19:04.26 | macrobat | abrotman: update-menus didnt do much |
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| 19:04.52 | STF | but, i get no list and lost the connection after some second |
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| 19:04.54 | abrotman | macrobat: right .. see what i said above |
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| 19:05.26 | greycat | Ah, yummy, mbrtowc is one of those functions HP-UX doesn't have. |
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| 19:06.50 | greycat | Well, HP-UX 10. 11 has it. |
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| 19:07.45 | STF | abrotman have you an idea? |
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| 19:08.14 | abrotman | i don't use p2p hubs? |
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| 19:09.28 | HackeMate | hello, how can i configure samba to allow anonymous logins? |
| 19:10.09 | HackeMate | windows has a share name for printers called print$, but for users? |
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| 19:10.13 | Seb | hmm, aptitude in sid ignores /etc/apt/preferences.d/*, but not apt-get ? |
| 19:10.39 | Seb | HackeMate: "guest"; read the doc a bit, or ask google |
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| 19:15.48 | pistache | an idea why i don't see output from the wall command on my Xorg shells ? |
| 19:15.58 | greycat | because they aren't registered as login shells through utmp |
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| 19:24.17 | yellowrooster | hi. my main (and currently the only) account on my debian netbook uses Dvorak keyboard layout. How can I have it that a person who logs in to a different account automatically gets the regular QWERTY keyboard layout? |
| 19:24.27 | paissad | hi all |
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| 19:25.35 | paissad | i have no more sound from my pc ... just and only changed the motherboard |
| 19:25.52 | icebrain | yellowrooster: try xmodmap? |
| 19:26.07 | paissad | maybe the matter comes there |
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| 19:27.16 | yellowrooster | icebrain: i just need qwerty AFTER logging in. In the Log-In page (where one enters username and password), we can keep it at DVORAK layout (since I'll have the other account log in using numbers only) |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | I don't even know if an all-numeric login name is valid. |
| 19:28.08 | icebrain | yellowrooster: so, use xmodmap to load the qwerty conf in user login files, like .xsessionrc |
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| 19:28.21 | yellowrooster | icebrain: how? I'm a BIG BIG newbie. |
| 19:28.22 | yellowrooster | 8-) |
| 19:28.38 | greycat | icebrain: you're assuming an X session |
| 19:28.51 | icebrain | greycat: sure I am |
| 19:29.29 | icebrain | greycat: it's probably right, isn't it? |
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| 19:29.43 | greycat | No way of knowing for sure except to ask him and hope he bothers to answer. |
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| 19:30.02 | greycat | Could be an ssh login, or a console login, or an xdm-workalike login. |
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| 19:31.59 | icebrain | greycat: it's a Log-In "page" |
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| 19:33.27 | greycat | yellowrooster: is your "log-in page" a text console login on the Debian system, a graphical login on the Debian system, or a remote login from another system? |
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| 19:33.51 | tonsofpcs | so xvidcap fails "rgb4 is not supported as an input pixel format" |
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| 19:36.19 | kaduk | Hi |
| 19:36.24 | kaduk | how to set up micophone settings? |
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| 19:38.45 | decaprime | I'm having trouble with this shell script i'm trying to write, I want to upload the results of a find via ftp, so naturally I thought to open the ftp connection, find | while and then just put $file but that doesn't seem to work because ftp is throughing Invalid Commands? I think |
| 19:39.19 | decaprime | so I tried the other way, of looping through the files and opening a ftp connection inside the loop, but then the ftp command produces an unexpected EOF |
| 19:39.41 | themill | decaprime: try ncftpput for that sort of thing. Or try *anything* other than ftp (e.g. scp). |
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| 19:40.32 | decaprime | themill: so ftp doesn't play wellw ith shell scripts? |
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| 19:41.07 | fluorine | has anyone tried the latest dev version of chromium? any idea why the flashplugin runs slower than in firefox? |
| 19:41.22 | themill | decaprime: not that well. You'd need to write an "expect" script if you wanted it to be reliable, and using ncftpput and friends will be easier |
| 19:41.39 | decaprime | themill: i'll look into it |
| 19:41.52 | AcTiVaTe | fluorine: Latest version still uses wine? if so it's prolly the answer to your question. |
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| 19:42.30 | fluorine | AcTiVaTe: no, runs natively |
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| 19:42.40 | fluorine | AcTiVaTe: without wine, i mean |
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| 19:43.55 | paissad | i have no more sound from my pc ... just and only changed the motherboard |
| 19:44.09 | paissad | how can i fix that ? |
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| 19:44.44 | CuteAlien | Hello. Looking for help with gettin flash (.swf) running on iceweasel/lenny. Got lenny-backports non-free in sources.list. And I tried flashplayer-mozilla as well as flashplugin-nonfree. Iceweasel about:plugins shows flash 10 is used. But does not work. Flash does work in konqueror. Webpage I try to run is: http://www.ai-junkie.com/ |
| 19:44.46 | greycat | Figure out what's broken, and correct it. |
| 19:45.07 | CuteAlien | youtube actually does work. |
| 19:45.13 | icebrain | decaprime: if you just want to send a list of files, you can use the shell to generate a simple lftp script, that just connects and "puts" every file |
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| 19:45.42 | decaprime | icebrain that would work too |
| 19:46.02 | icebrain | I've used it to upload the files that were reported by git as modified |
| 19:46.16 | decaprime | icebrain: all I need to be able to do is upload all the "*.bsp" files in a particular dump directory to a static destination on another server |
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| 19:46.43 | somiaj | CuteAlien: you have checked about:plugins and seen if the plugin is loading correctally? |
| 19:47.00 | CuteAlien | somiaj, yes, I don't see any problem. Also youtube works. |
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| 19:47.11 | icebrain | decaprime: then you don't even need a generated script, just some connection lines, a "lcd /local/folder", "cd /remote/folder", "mput *.bsp" |
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| 19:47.39 | CuteAlien | hm, maybe there are 2 versions installed - just see it also finds flash 9 additionally. |
| 19:47.41 | somiaj | CuteAlien: are you on amd64 by chance? |
| 19:47.48 | icebrain | decaprime: you can write a script manually and then just call lftp from the bash script (lftp -f scriptfile) |
| 19:47.50 | CuteAlien | no, just 32 bit |
| 19:48.11 | decaprime | icebrain: well the script does some unarchiving and copying beforehand |
| 19:48.13 | abrotman | de-cap-rime? or deca-prime? |
| 19:48.20 | decaprime | deca |
| 19:48.25 | vimpulse | paissad: I'm about to go eat lunch, so can't help you, but please tell the channel your old mobo, old sound chip name, old sound module, how you installed that module, new mobo, and new sound chip. lspci(1) can help. |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | thinks a de-cap-rime might be a bit gruesome :) |
| 19:48.33 | somiaj | CuteAlien: yea that could be it as well, I personally just get the plugin from adobe directally and put it in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins or $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/plugins so I have no experience with the prepackaged version. |
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| 19:49.07 | CuteAlien | hm, I have to try if I can figure out how to disable flash 9. I guess that's the conflict. |
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| 19:49.10 | icebrain | decaprime: no, make two script: one bash, that takes care of that, and a lftp script, that gets called by the bash, using lftp -f |
| 19:49.18 | icebrain | *scripts |
| 19:49.23 | vimpulse | paissad: or, if you don't have all that info, tell us as much as you can find. |
| 19:49.23 | paissad | vimpulse, ok thanks |
| 19:50.43 | decaprime | icebrain: what benefit would that give me over just doing ftp from my bash script then mput *.bsp from the bash script... |
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| 19:51.22 | icebrain | decaprime: controlling lftp from bash is cumbersome, imo |
| 19:51.34 | icebrain | decaprime: you don't know when to send each command |
| 19:51.47 | greycat | <-greybot[i=rfc1413@wooledge.org] $ lftp myname@server/some/directory -e 'mput *.gif; quit' # Read "man netrc" to learn how to store your password as cleartext in a file, and read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 19:51.53 | vimpulse | decaprime: have you ever used expect(1)? |
| 19:51.58 | decaprime | vimpulse: no |
| 19:52.05 | decaprime | this is my first shell script |
| 19:52.11 | greycat | I'd suggest lftp rather than expect |
| 19:52.15 | vimpulse | decaprime: it's a scripting language for controlling interactive applications. |
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| 19:52.24 | vimpulse | decaprime: but see what greycat just said. |
| 19:52.44 | decaprime | ah I see |
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| 19:53.33 | decaprime | grabbing lftp now |
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| 19:57.12 | icebrain | greycat: that article (rant?) is true, but the fact is many servers still only offer it as the only reasonable file transfer protocol :| |
| 19:57.27 | greycat | yeah, I know. unfortunate. |
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| 19:57.37 | icebrain | greycat: mine offers ftps and can PASV, so it's not so bad |
| 19:58.01 | verywiseman | anybody here work with samhain? |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | isn't that a pagan holiday? |
| 19:59.02 | vimpulse | !tell verywiseman about anyone |
| 19:59.04 | vimpulse | verywiseman: :) |
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| 20:01.09 | CuteAlien | hm, got rid of flash 9 (was swfdec-mozilla) but problem is still the same. flash 10 reported, youtube works, other sides like www.ai-junkie.com/ don't work on iceweasel but only on konqueror. |
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| 20:04.45 | sandman | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/03/1943237/Anti-Counterfeiting-Deal-Aims-For-Global-DMCA <== That should take care of our freedom on the internet. And by take care, I mean totally devastate. |
| 20:04.54 | sandman | Discuss. |
| 20:05.00 | themill | sandman: wrong channel |
| 20:05.01 | moqq | is there a way to force applications to keep their configuration in /usr/local/etc (versus /etc) when installing them? |
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| 20:05.21 | greycat | moqq: compile it yourself instead of using the Debian package |
| 20:05.27 | moqq | bleh |
| 20:05.27 | vimpulse | moqq: you said /usr/local. I assume you don't use GNU Stow? |
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| 20:05.59 | moqq | no.... |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | Debian policy requires all configuration to be in /etc and reserves /usr/local for the sysadmin (you). |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | So, no, no Debian package is ever going to put stuff in /usr/local/etc |
| 20:06.45 | moqq | alright |
| 20:06.49 | vimpulse | moqq: build it yourself. If you build it yourself, then I suggest you use GNU Stow to help you manage everything installed in /usr/local. |
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| 20:07.09 | vimpulse | moqq: why don't you want some certain app to put stuff in /etc? |
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| 20:08.30 | busbus | hi there.. i just found out that vim is unfortunately delivered without +xterm_clipboard by aptitude. is there a way i can enable this afterwards? |
| 20:08.45 | moqq | because a number of application configurations i'd like to keep on a different volume. i realize i can link everything, but it would be cleaner if i just mount-bind the entire /usr/local/etc to the other volume |
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| 20:09.35 | patrikf | busbus: which variant of vim? |
| 20:09.56 | vimpulse | busbus: why don't you use Xorg and gvim? |
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| 20:10.04 | busbus | vim 7.2 |
| 20:10.29 | busbus | hmm i kind of got used to my terminals and vim. |
| 20:10.32 | greycat | the notion of separating "don't ever restore this from tape" stuff (like /etc/shadow) from application stuff that can be restored on a new box (like /etc/mplayer/*) is somewhat intriguing |
| 20:10.49 | vimpulse | busbus: try gvim, it's more featureful. For example, it changes the color and shape of the cursor in insert mode. |
| 20:10.51 | patrikf | busbus: I mean, what package? debian has multiple vim packages, "vim-gnome" being the most featureful. |
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| 20:11.15 | valdyn | busbus: if you install vim-full you get everything debian has |
| 20:11.25 | moqq | greycat: yeah, that's exactly what i'm doing. its on an EC2 instance EBS volume, so i can create a new instance and have full application configuration migrated in less than a minute |
| 20:11.33 | busbus | ah, sure, sorry.. vim-common |
| 20:11.41 | decaprime | icebrain, vimpulse, themill thank you all very much, this script saves me a metric asston of manual work =) |
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| 20:12.38 | greycat | I'm not aware of any OS where you can just blindly restore /etc on a new system. |
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| 20:12.59 | moqq | that's why it's not blind ;) |
| 20:13.06 | themill | greycat: it can be "educational" to try though.... |
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| 20:15.12 | simonrvn | git clone :P |
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| 20:17.57 | busbus | thx valdyn, thats what i was looking for =) |
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| 20:25.43 | ponky | I'm using mdadm software raid5, is it possible to add more HDs to raid without removing all the data? |
| 20:26.34 | ponky | sry offtopic. |
| 20:26.55 | simonrvn | (just make sure you haave etckeeper installed and set up first) |
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| 20:30.45 | superlinux | looks like many of you is watching the uefa champions league |
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| 20:36.37 | hackemate_ | hello, i am trying to configure samba in a little lan, my file is http://pastebin.com/m7f9ba3cb and when i try to enter, it asks for password |
| 20:36.40 | tonsofpcs | Is there a way to install flash player 9 on sid easily? |
| 20:36.50 | hackemate_ | i want to make it able for anyone without password or login user question |
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| 20:37.08 | greycat | hackemate_: ask #samba |
| 20:37.48 | hackemate_ | ok sorry |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you shouldn't |
| 20:39.01 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: I have a flash app that is the entire purpose of this install that does not work with 10 :( |
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| 20:39.24 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: fix the app .. flash9 is very insecure |
| 20:39.36 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: it's on a secured network. |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you secured flash? |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: get any flash9 package .. install it |
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| 20:40.02 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: there are 5 machines on the network, there is no external connectivity, i'd call that secured... |
| 20:40.21 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: but they have floppy drivse!!!! |
| 20:40.34 | tonsofpcs | and there's locks on the doors! |
| 20:40.40 | FlyingFoX | free tells me that i have 64Mb free memory and 1600Mb cached. but after calling sync this doesnt change. Is there another way to make debian write the cached data to disk? |
| 20:40.59 | greycat | writing it to disk does not mean Debian throws it away. |
| 20:41.02 | tonsofpcs | and actually only 2 of them have floppy drives, one of which doesn't work ;) |
| 20:41.08 | tonsofpcs | they do have USB though :) |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | it's retained in RAM until something else needs that RAM more urgently |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | !free memory |
| 20:41.20 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:42.11 | Skipp_OSX | INfoRMatiOn wants to be FREEEEEEEEE!!!! |
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| 20:43.19 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: i386 ? |
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| 20:44.14 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/flash-player/flashplayer-mozilla_9.0.152.0-0.0_i386.deb .. you've been warned! |
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| 20:47.47 | asarch | Where can I learn about how to do the CPU Frequency Scalling in Debian? |
| 20:48.34 | asarch | I would like to set the "User space" permanently |
| 20:48.41 | asarch | (The lower freq available) |
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| 20:54.22 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: yes |
| 20:54.28 | tonsofpcs | thank you :D |
| 20:54.37 | tonsofpcs | [the official one complains about an old ver of glibc |
| 20:54.38 | tonsofpcs | ] |
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| 20:58.21 | taras | what do I need for spellcheck in kopete: aspell or myspell ? |
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| 20:59.45 | abrotman | i'd think it would be a Recommends |
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| 21:00.07 | abrotman | taras: which version of debian ? |
| 21:00.17 | taras | lenny |
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| 21:01.18 | abrotman | it depends on kdelibs which depend on libaspell |
| 21:01.20 | alexxio | hi, do you know issues with debian and ati 3450? |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | such as? |
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| 21:03.43 | dp1 | hmmm, now debian is called Debian GNU/Linux, it's interesting how it will be named after the official support of kFreeBSD? :\ |
| 21:04.14 | abrotman | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ? |
| 21:04.49 | dp1 | i mean all distribution |
| 21:04.59 | dp1 | with linux and freebsd kernels |
| 21:05.13 | abrotman | Debian .. like it is now? |
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| 21:07.29 | dondelelcaro | dp1: Debian is Debian. We have a Debian GNU/Linux and a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD distribution. There's also a Debian GNU/Hurd distribution |
| 21:07.30 | dp1 | but full name is Debian GNU/Linux (according to the http://www.debian.org) :] |
| 21:07.44 | dondelelcaro | dp1: no, that's the full name of the distribution |
| 21:07.52 | dondelelcaro | not the name of the project |
| 21:08.11 | dondelelcaro | (we haven't made a release of anything but Debian GNU/Linux yet) |
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| 21:11.01 | dp1 | dondelelcaro: hm, thnx |
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| 21:56.16 | CcSsNET | so anyone got any news on the whowatch situation? i couldnt help butnotice the authors site down yesterday . . . |
| 21:56.33 | dondelelcaro | CcSsNET: what about it? |
| 21:57.10 | CcSsNET | seems back online now |
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| 21:57.25 | CcSsNET | u wernt in the convo so check backlogs 2 days ago |
| 21:57.54 | dondelelcaro | CcSsNET: uh, actually, I was, but what do you want to know about it now? |
| 21:58.09 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 21:58.55 | CcSsNET | well ill assume u have no news for me, so pardon my ignoring |
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| 21:59.58 | dondelelcaro | CcSsNET: if you're concerned about it, you'll have to look into it. talk to the upsstream author orthe maintainer. |
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| 22:00.33 | CcSsNET | id rather talk to those that potentially audited the code after me mentioning it, thus im here . . . |
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| 22:01.30 | dondelelcaro | CcSsNET: auditing code takes time, and none of us run that piece of software. If you're concerned about it, check it out yourself. |
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| 22:04.34 | CcSsNET | dondelelecaro arnt u the useless troll of debian, no shit, and i am. |
| 22:04.42 | CcSsNET | stop wasting my time |
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| 22:06.28 | uploadcont | my internet connection is very slow (modem 56k) and i get cut off very half an hour. i am trying to upload a file to an ftp site with lftp with the command put 300mbfile but after after losing my connection, i reconnect to the ftp site and try to continue uploading the file where it left but lftp uploads the file from scratch. what gives? |
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| 22:06.47 | abrotman | uploadcont: does the FTP server support resume? |
| 22:06.54 | uploadcont | i do not know |
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| 22:07.26 | pingouin | sorry, i forgot a simple thing : how can i configure my keyboard ? dpkg-reconfigure xxxx ? |
| 22:07.31 | uploadcont | how can i find out? |
| 22:07.48 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: what about it do you want to change? |
| 22:08.30 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: i change keyboard, there is no "windows small key" on it |
| 22:08.52 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: and it's strange, when i hit F1 i get an A , F2 give me an B ..... |
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| 22:09.05 | zleap | pingouin, i stuck some ubuntu stickers on my windows keys :) |
| 22:09.26 | pingouin | zleap: ah ah ;) |
| 22:09.38 | zleap | in ubuntu its mapped as super for compiz |
| 22:09.51 | zleap | so when it says press super + E it means the windows key |
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| 22:10.55 | uploadcont | abrotman, how can i find out whether the ftp server supports resume? is put 300mbfile the right command syntax to continuously upload the file? is there a newbie friendly way to do that? not filezilla, please |
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| 22:11.13 | abrotman | what's wrong with filezilla? |
| 22:11.16 | yellowrooster | how do i figure out whether I have gnome/kde/xfce or some other thing? |
| 22:11.21 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: it's X that i have to dpkg-reconfigure i guess ? |
| 22:11.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:11.57 | uploadcont | abrotman, how can i find out whether the ftp server supports resume? is put 300mbfile the right command syntax to continuously upload the file? |
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| 22:12.32 | abrotman | uploadcont: figure out which FTP server it is, ask google |
| 22:12.53 | Supaplex | burpz |
| 22:13.13 | simon | I just found the program called 'tpb' for some ThinkPad-related feedback. it seems to work, but how would I sensibly start this at runtime? (it requires root privileges) |
| 22:13.44 | abrotman | simon: it's already in Debian .. it should start on its own |
| 22:13.50 | zleap | simon, is it listed in sysvinit editor |
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| 22:14.27 | zleap | on kde it may be called ksysv or something it brings up what is loaded / unloaded with different runlevels, lists services on the left, you just drag / drop |
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| 22:15.06 | zleap | apart form that, i am guessing its in /etc/rc.d, but i am not that advanced, last time i tried to edit that it failed |
| 22:15.08 | pingouin | how can i force X to give me an new/clean as complete as possible xorg.conf ? mine is empty... |
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| 22:16.04 | abrotman | mv it aside |
| 22:16.22 | zleap | pingouin, something like dpkg--reconfigure xorg i can never remember exactly what to type, this will reconfigure it |
| 22:16.24 | valdyn | pingouin: why is that a problem? |
| 22:16.31 | valdyn | zleap: no it wont |
| 22:16.35 | zleap | ok |
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| 22:17.12 | pingouin | valdyn: the problem is that my keyboard is not very well detected |
| 22:17.17 | twiggz | X -configure |
| 22:17.25 | twiggz | that usually works well for me. |
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| 22:17.45 | pingouin | twiggz: X -configure give you an clean/new xorg.conf ? |
| 22:18.06 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: its normal for it to be like that; xkbsel can select the keyboard, but in theory, it should already be done properly by the kernel. |
| 22:18.09 | twiggz | yes |
| 22:18.11 | valdyn | pingouin: should be equivalent to having an empty xorg.conf except that its a base to edit |
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| 22:18.22 | cwheeler | how can I list the files in a .deb package? |
| 22:18.29 | dondelelcaro | cwheeler: man dpkg-deb |
| 22:19.05 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: if you tell us with as much detail as you can what the keyboard that you've switched to isn't doing, we can probably help you configure it so that it'll work. |
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| 22:19.37 | pingouin | valdyn dondelelcaro twiggz ok, thanks for your help/clues i try X -configure to get a fresh xorg.conf |
| 22:19.56 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: it's just type A B C D ... when i hit F1 F2 F3 .... |
| 22:20.38 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 22:20.39 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: i just have to put some Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "fr" Option "XKbVariant" "oss" in xorg.conf |
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| 22:21.18 | pingouin | but i dont remember how can i get a valid xorg.conf canvas to do so , i remember i already have this troubles when i switched to lenny |
| 22:21.33 | pingouin | but i did not keep the xorg.conf file |
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| 22:23.08 | uploadcont | abrotman, when i used filezilla with a broadband connection i was uploading at 12k so i just cancelled the upload. tried with lftp 2 min later and the uploading speed was 31k |
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| 22:43.13 | yellowrooster | how do i create a new user account? |
| 22:43.25 | runa | heyas. is it possible to move the mouse in Xorg using the keyboard? |
| 22:43.28 | runa | yellowrooster: adduser |
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| 22:44.17 | yellowrooster | runa: adduser command not found 8-( |
| 22:44.23 | abrotman | as root ? |
| 22:45.03 | yellowrooster | adduser: only one or 2 names allowed . ??? |
| 22:45.12 | runa | yellowrooster: man adduser |
| 22:45.14 | yellowrooster | i guess i've reached the max |
| 22:45.24 | yellowrooster | how can i see a list of users on the comp |
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| 22:46.11 | abrotman | yellowrooster: what linux are you using? |
| 22:46.12 | dondelelcaro | runa: xwit has some code; I've honestly never used it, though. |
| 22:46.24 | yellowrooster | abrotman: debian eeepc with LXDE |
| 22:46.36 | abrotman | yellowrooster: you can have far more than two users |
| 22:46.53 | Moose | Is there a man page or something that'll tell me what the colors of files/directories in the listings mean? From what I can tell, it's based on permissions. Google didn't yield anything helpful, just a bunch of forums with people wondering the same things, hehe. |
| 22:46.54 | hark | runa: using the numpad |
| 22:47.05 | runa | hark: no numpad, it's an old laptop |
| 22:47.34 | valdyn | Moose: which listing? |
| 22:47.46 | Moose | The "ls" directory listing, sorry. |
| 22:48.08 | valdyn | Moose: suffix and type of file |
| 22:48.23 | yellowrooster | abrotman: ok. i just created a new user. |
| 22:48.26 | yellowrooster | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:48.28 | valdyn | Moose: type as device node or symlink or directory etc, not referring to contents |
| 22:48.34 | abrotman | Moose: you want to know which colors go to what? or what the colors mean? |
| 22:48.38 | Arrowmaster | Moose: man dircolors might give some more info |
| 22:48.55 | Arrowmaster | oh wait, man dir_colors has lots of info |
| 22:49.24 | Moose | abrotman: Well, what the colors mean. |
| 22:49.42 | Moose | As in, I see a red colored file. What does this tell me? Sort of a thing. |
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| 22:50.24 | Moose | Heh, sorry about that. |
| 22:50.42 | Moose | Some hotkey that kills my IRC client when my window lost focus. |
| 22:50.56 | Moose | If someone said something, I'd appreciate a repeat of it. |
| 22:51.16 | icebrain | Moose: nobody did |
| 22:51.22 | abrotman | echo $LS_COLORS |
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| 22:51.29 | abrotman | i think is what oyu're sakign |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | asking |
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| 22:51.48 | Moose | abrotman: Perfect! Thanks. |
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| 22:54.25 | yellowrooster | how do i add a username/user to the "netdev" group? |
| 22:54.55 | icebrain | yellowrooster: usermod |
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| 22:55.05 | yellowrooster | icebrain: how excatly |
| 22:55.08 | yellowrooster | what's the command? |
| 22:55.13 | yellowrooster | the ENTIRE command? |
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| 22:56.32 | icebrain | yellowrooster: how about "man usermod"? sheesh. But if you're really that lazy: usermod -a -G netdev USER |
| 22:56.51 | yellowrooster | ouch. |
| 22:56.52 | themill | yellowrooster: or use "adduser" on a debian system. man adduser. |
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| 22:57.44 | yellowrooster | the usermod command does not work on my debian system |
| 22:58.02 | themill | dpkg: tell yellowrooster about doesn't work |
| 22:58.38 | yellowrooster | themill: sorry. it's saying that a10199 is not in the sudoers file. incident will be reported |
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| 22:58.56 | themill | yellowrooster: who said anything about sudo? |
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| 22:59.21 | yellowrooster | themill: i tried without sudo and error message says "command not found" |
| 22:59.30 | yellowrooster | maybe i shoudl try your "adduser" suggestion, themill |
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| 23:00.01 | themill | yellowrooster: do you have root access to this machine? |
| 23:00.13 | yellowrooster | themill: i think so. it's my machine. |
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| 23:00.26 | themill | yellowrooster: have you installed and configured sudo? |
| 23:00.37 | yellowrooster | i don't remember. |
| 23:00.45 | yellowrooster | it's not the same as my login password, is it? |
| 23:00.55 | themill | yellowrooster: it would seem not, given the error message you got. |
| 23:01.12 | yellowrooster | themill: ok. i think i found my root password |
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| 23:02.31 | yellowrooster | themill: i glanced at man adduser, but it's beyond me. pls advise?? |
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| 23:03.09 | icebrain | yellowrooster: either way you need root privileges to run the command |
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| 23:03.24 | yellowrooster | icebrain: and i think i now know my root password |
| 23:03.24 | icebrain | if you know your root pass, run "su" |
| 23:03.45 | yellowrooster | ok. the su password is accepted |
| 23:04.17 | yellowrooster | now i did the usermod command and it worked |
| 23:04.18 | icebrain | yellowrooster: ok. Now you're in a root shell. Caution! run "usermod -a -G netdev USER" |
| 23:04.18 | yellowrooster | thanks. |
| 23:04.23 | icebrain | ok, now exit |
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| 23:04.28 | icebrain | run "exit", I mean |
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| 23:04.36 | yellowrooster | ok. done |
| 23:04.38 | yellowrooster | thanks! |
| 23:04.40 | icebrain | np |
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| 23:05.47 | icebrain | yellowrooster: just a word of caution: you should always "exit" your root shells |
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| 23:06.22 | Bernard- | is it a good place to get help with htaccess and rewrite rules ? |
| 23:06.27 | RichiH | also, you should stop using "exit" and just press ctrl-d ;) |
| 23:06.37 | RichiH | Bernard-: #apache would be better |
| 23:06.45 | RichiH | or #web |
| 23:06.49 | yellowrooster | icebrain: ok. |
| 23:07.12 | Bernard- | ok i'll try #web (at #apache i was told this is not a support channel... :( ) |
| 23:07.15 | Bernard- | tks |
| 23:07.51 | icebrain | Bernard-: try #httpd |
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| 23:08.23 | Bernard- | k |
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| 23:21.38 | mtnman | prefrontal are u in boulder? |
| 23:22.37 | prefrontal | yes |
| 23:22.44 | mtnman | cool |
| 23:22.52 | mtnman | saw your hostname |
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| 23:25.11 | D3RGPS31 | how's ext4 support in squeeze; for install from disc |
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| 23:29.20 | belak | what's the best way for managing packages from the command line? |
| 23:29.48 | Jygga | apt-get aptitude ... |
| 23:30.00 | belak | WHich one? I know either one works... |
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| 23:30.07 | belak | ut wht are there 2? |
| 23:30.15 | belak | Sorry, But why |
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| 23:31.08 | D3RGPS31 | how's ext4 support in squeeze; for install from disc |
| 23:31.24 | belak | Are there nouveau drivers in debian, or only nv and the nvidia binaries? |
| 23:31.27 | Jygga | aptitude is a bit slower but does more stuff automagically |
| 23:31.36 | Jygga | apt-get is faster and is the default ... |
| 23:31.56 | belak | Jygga: more stuff? like what? |
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| 23:32.18 | mhymn | belak: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 23:33.14 | belak | Thanks |
| 23:33.44 | belak | So, about nvidia drivers... |
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| 23:34.09 | belak | is nouveau in the repos? |
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| 23:35.04 | lobo99 | hello! encoding problem. When I get a page by wget I get symbols like � that I can't delete!!! http://www.voleicat.net/generic/documentsweb0910/RESULTATS/1001/cl_1001_03.htm |
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| 23:35.05 | lobo99 | I tried with --header="Accept-Charset:, with tr command, ..... |
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| 23:39.11 | macondo_ | hi, i want to add a couple packages from lenny-backports, how do i go about it, do i have to add a line to my sources.list? |
| 23:39.26 | babilen | macondo_: yes |
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| 23:40.23 | babilen | !tell macondo_ -about bpo |
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| 23:41.22 | macondo_ | thx, pal, that was my next question :) |
| 23:42.40 | babilen | macondo_: You are welcome. |
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| 23:57.22 | grendal_prime | Im using an rsync.net for offsite storage. It seems that the only user you get with those accounts is eth quasi root account they give you...when i mount it with sshfs is there a way in the fstab entry to oallow all users to write to it? |
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| 23:58.06 | abrotman | eth? the? |
| 23:58.09 | grendal_prime | and wtf happend to my keyboard...did any of that last entry make sense ?? |
| 23:58.16 | grendal_prime | sorry hahahaha |
| 23:58.30 | abrotman | grendal_prime: some filesystem types have the ability to choose a user |
| 23:58.37 | grendal_prime | ill try again.. |
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| 23:59.08 | abrotman | and the normal mount man page doesn't have shfs |
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| 23:59.30 | syslq | hddtemp daemon stopped logging into daemon.log after I cleared this log. It still logs into syslog, any ideas? |
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| 23:59.58 | grendal_prime | Im using an rsync.net account for offsite storage. It seems that the only user you get with those accounts is the quasi root account they give you...when i mount it with sshfs I can create dir's and files just fine but my backup server runs under a different user. Is there a way in the fstab entry to allow all users to write to it? |
