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| 00:06.30 | daraxa | hi |
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| 00:07.06 | daraxa | i am ussing a ntfs-3g partition mounted as /home right now, do you think I can have any problem? |
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| 00:09.04 | mattgirv | daraxa: Hmm probably with permissions... |
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| 00:09.19 | daraxa | yeah |
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| 00:09.28 | mattgirv | Why are you doing that anyway |
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| 00:10.02 | daraxa | I had to edit line 66 in /etc/X11/Xsession to can start X server, should i exect more similar issues? |
| 00:10.21 | mattgirv | hm, no that isnt normal, what did you have to edit? |
| 00:10.29 | mattgirv | and what are you running? stable? |
| 00:10.39 | daraxa | i have done it to not having two partitions for data, one for Linux and other for Windows |
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| 00:10.54 | daraxa | testing |
| 00:11.19 | mattgirv | Okay, I'm not sure how fast ntfs-3g is in comparison to ext3/etc that is probably worth bearing in mind also |
| 00:11.21 | daraxa | that line run chmod 600 ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:11.47 | daraxa | it is impossible to run a chmod over ntfs-3g |
| 00:11.53 | mattgirv | aye |
| 00:12.16 | mattgirv | i wouldnt recommend it in any way really, :/ youd be much better finding something to sync between your windows and linux installs |
| 00:12.22 | mattgirv | i use dropbox, |
| 00:12.37 | abrotman | or a fat32 partition? |
| 00:12.50 | mattgirv | abrotman: terrible with permissions though |
| 00:13.03 | dfinn | had no idea how long an apt-get install kdebase would take |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | mattgirv: you don't see that concerned aboutit .. it's not like ext3 and ntfs have the same permission scheme |
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| 00:14.08 | mattgirv | abrotman: Its not my problem to be concerned over, he is already running like that, I said it wasn't a good idea |
| 00:14.15 | mattgirv | I'm not going to force someone to do something |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | sorry .. got crossed up |
| 00:14.41 | daraxa | how can dropbox help me? |
| 00:14.44 | mattgirv | :) |
| 00:15.22 | mesaGL | abrotman: ntfs-3g has (just) introduced all sorts of posix extensions to ntfs. it's still in rc stage tho |
| 00:15.33 | thrashold | After I change some md devices, how do I force auto regeneration of mdadm.conf? |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | and ext3 has ACL extensions |
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| 00:17.22 | daraxa | i dont want to copy files twice |
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| 00:18.02 | mattgirv | Dropbox is essentially a folder that sits in your home folder that syncs between any computers you install it on |
| 00:18.33 | mattgirv | I use that, I also mount my NTFS drive within Linux and put files in there if I need to, |
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| 00:18.58 | mattgirv | Frankly its a lil more hassle than a completely seamless home dir for Windows/Linux, but at least I know it isn't going to break |
| 00:20.11 | thrashold | I had several md arrays created before the installation of debian. They were autodetected and put into mdadm.conf (I don't know why I would need that, Gentoo autodetected them on boot) |
| 00:20.35 | thrashold | Now I deleted one of the arrays, and created it again and I want it to be autodetected on boot |
| 00:20.38 | thrashold | what would I do? |
| 00:20.51 | daraxa | i plan to use this ntfs /home some time, then I will tell you if it breaks or not |
| 00:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh will complain |
| 00:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | mainly if you have a secret key |
| 00:21.35 | daraxa | but if many applications had scripts like Xsession, i will have a lot of problems |
| 00:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and every other program that stores sensitive information |
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| 00:22.07 | thrashold | Also, how do I detect the array at all without using mdadm -A? |
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| 00:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have at least /home/youruser and mount your mount the ntfs into /home/youruser/win/ |
| 00:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still can save all your files into /home/yourusr/win ... |
| 00:22.45 | mattgirv | daraxa: I already told you I know it will break, the permissions don't meld together, ntfs-3g performance is slower and most apps will be expecting something else as far as permissions go so you're pretty much screwed :) |
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| 00:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattgirv, you can use ACLs under linux, though... but last time I read about it, ... you couldn't get them to work with ntfs-3g or something (that's a long time ago, though) |
| 00:23.56 | daraxa | :( |
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| 00:24.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | daraxa, there's also no softlinks in ntfs |
| 00:24.29 | mattgirv | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. Its not so much that its impossible, I just wouldnt be the one having to deal with it on a daily basis and fix it when it breaks tis all :p |
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| 00:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | daraxa, the same goes for named fifos |
| 00:26.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattgirv, and it still wouldn't address the softlinks and fifos I just mentioned |
| 00:26.26 | mattgirv | yep, it certainly would need a lot of time put into it, and not just on ntfs-3g's part really. |
| 00:26.29 | daraxa | I could use a ext4 for / (root) and /home, therefor, .config files would be in a real ext4 filesystem, then I can mount my ntfs in a subfolder in /home to store data... |
| 00:26.49 | mattgirv | yeah you could do that |
| 00:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could do something with... |
| 00:26.57 | mattgirv | that would make more sense if its purely documents |
| 00:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !unionfs |
| 00:26.58 | dpkg | somebody said unionfs was union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
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| 00:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't see that being painless either |
| 00:27.37 | en1gma | how do i make me root.....when i su root and give password it logs me in as the name of my pc when i installed debian |
| 00:28.03 | mattgirv | that most likely is root :p |
| 00:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | daraxa, there's no need to have /home on a separate partition if you're not storing much data in it |
| 00:28.09 | en1gma | i mean i cant ssh into my router unless i am root |
| 00:28.15 | daraxa | is it possible to mount two partitions over the same folder? any risk for it? |
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| 00:28.18 | en1gma | do i just addusr to make a root account |
| 00:28.22 | mattgirv | en1gma: but you should be able to just issue su, without any username |
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| 00:28.34 | en1gma | like 'su ssh' |
| 00:28.42 | mattgirv | en1gma: or you can install sudo and add yourself to the sudoers file |
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| 00:28.51 | themill | en1gma: wtf? |
| 00:29.00 | abrotman | mattgirv: that's not what he's asking .. |
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| 00:29.23 | en1gma | i mean if my dd-wrt router is looking for the name "root" what is best way to ssh into it from debian |
| 00:29.25 | mattgirv | abrotman: Eh, well he changed his question midway through :p |
| 00:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | en1gma, do you mean... ssh root@<your router ip> ? |
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| 00:29.42 | en1gma | yea |
| 00:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guessed it!!!!!!!!!!!!111eleven |
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| 00:30.01 | abrotman | mattgirv: no he didn't .. he doesn't know what he's asking |
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| 00:30.01 | mattgirv | God, you have some special IRC power or something? |
| 00:30.11 | mattgirv | abrotman: :p |
| 00:30.24 | themill | mattgirv: ESP-over-IRC is frequently necessary around here |
| 00:30.33 | daraxa | thanks you very much to all for your advice. Now going to bed, see you later.. |
| 00:30.40 | tootyfruity | is it ok, not to specifically name an app i wish to install using aptitude if the very same app is installed as part of another selected apps installation? |
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| 00:31.13 | mattgirv | themill: Aye, its all coming back now :) |
| 00:31.18 | en1gma | it keeps on saying my connection is refused when i 'su' and then 'ssh 192.168.1.1' |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | tootyfruity: uh what ? |
| 00:31.30 | abrotman | tootyfruity: oh, yes .. |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | tootyfruity: if a package (A) is already a dependency of another package (B), you can just install B, which in turn will force the installation of A |
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| 00:33.24 | tootyfruity | abrotman: thanks. and that won't be an issue, if say using your example, i decided to uninstall package B at a later date? |
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| 00:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattgirv, it's like this TV show whose name I just can't recall - where candidates have to guess the question from the answer |
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| 00:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mattgirv, only difference is, we don't get the answer, either :-P |
| 00:33.44 | Zitter | hi, I've overwritten a file. Ehm is there a way to recover orginal one? |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | tootyfruity: it would uninstall A because it would be unused |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | tootyfruity: it might help if you name A/B :) |
| 00:35.04 | mattgirv | Yeah its like those forum threads where someone has a problem and it ends with 'never mind fixed, close!' and you never find out the solution |
| 00:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeopardy! (courtesy to themill) |
| 00:35.35 | mattgirv | lol urrgh |
| 00:35.41 | mattgirv | they made a board game of that didnt they? |
| 00:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so essentially they say "it doesn't work" and we have to guess question AND answer |
| 00:36.08 | tootyfruity | abrotman: hmm, that's what i feared. you see, for example, zomg installs vorbis-tools by default, so i didn't specify vorbis-tools specifically. i use ogg123, which is part of vorbis-tools. if i uninstall zomg, will it then remove vorbis-tools as well? does that make some sort of sense?! ;) |
| 00:36.38 | mattgirv | in that case, can you not uninstall zomg and reinstall vorbis-tools seperately? |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | tootyfruity: yes .. but you can also 'aptitude unmarkauto vorbis-tools' and the issue will go away |
| 00:37.20 | mattgirv | ah :) |
| 00:37.31 | PyroPhelia | I want to run a debian 4 server with a crap load of sata hard drives. Is there any kind of tool, that can help me monitor the tempreture of all the compents with a thermal sensor, graphically? |
| 00:37.43 | PyroPhelia | 45 sata drives |
| 00:37.54 | PyroPhelia | I also want to monitor fan speeds, and cpu temp |
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| 00:38.14 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: you mean debian 5 right ? |
| 00:38.38 | tootyfruity | abrotman: thanks. though if i had specified both apps when i installed originally, say "aptitude install vorbis-tools zomg", then when i removed zomg, vorbis-tools would have remained? |
| 00:38.49 | PyroPhelia | well if that's the newest sure. I'm more of an ubuntu person, but I'd rather go with debian on the server |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | tootyfruity: yep |
| 00:39.18 | tootyfruity | abrotman: brilliant. thank you. |
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| 00:39.27 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: and without knowing the actual hardware .. gets hard to say .. and by graphically, i assume you mean via a webpage ? |
| 00:40.30 | PyroPhelia | not neccessarily. Ideally I would like to have an Xserver on it so I can connect to the desktop remotely |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | why? it's a server |
| 00:41.46 | PyroPhelia | basically what my question comes down to is, how many tools are available to help me monitor the thermal stats of my equipment. |
| 00:41.55 | PyroPhelia | true, but I don't want apache on it. |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | right .. apache bad, Xorg good .. |
| 00:42.25 | epsilon | question about syslogd-listfiles: how can I specify which logfiles to be listed in --weekly? I want syslog to be rotated weekly and not daily |
| 00:42.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | PyroPhelia, I guess "apt-rdepends -r lm-sensors" about answers that (?) |
| 00:43.02 | PyroPhelia | is xorg horribly insecure? |
| 00:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting for you is probably sensord from out of those |
| 00:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I'd judge |
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| 00:44.49 | Rezagrats | What's the name of that windows' program that allows a user to login into a Linux machine via ssh ? it uses a GUI that shows all files and folders. any ideas? |
| 00:44.59 | PyroPhelia | outty |
| 00:45.03 | PyroPhelia | putty* |
| 00:45.06 | Rezagrats | No. |
| 00:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, logrotate's doing that, or not? |
| 00:45.09 | valdyn | Rezagrats: winscp |
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| 00:45.28 | Rezagrats | Thank you, valdyn. |
| 00:45.44 | abrotman | Rezagrats: filezilla ? |
| 00:45.54 | PyroPhelia | whats wrong with putty? |
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| 00:46.02 | epsilon | CutMeOwnThroat: it's complicated, logrotate is calling cron.[dily|weekly]/syslogd, hich is asking syslogd-listfiles which files to rotate |
| 00:46.02 | mattgirv | Thats the wrong thing completely :) |
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| 00:46.06 | Rezagrats | Too command-line..ish |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: it wasn't what he was asking about |
| 00:46.11 | mattgirv | Putty is an ssh client, |
| 00:46.34 | PyroPhelia | oh sorry, I only read half the question |
| 00:46.43 | epsilon | I can hack the cron.[dily|weekly]/syslogd, but I prefer if I can tell syslogd-listfiles which file to rotate when |
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| 00:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, yeah, but I think you configure all that from /etc/logrotate.conf - at least it's there that you find "weekly" as a keyword (and the hint on using man logrotate) |
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| 00:49.13 | en1gma | i installed debian 5.03 stable to my 160gig hd on a sata connector all by itself.....i have 2 more sata drives in a raid0 for windows connected to the 4ports that are togather......what do i need to do....to be able to see that ntfs F.S. in linux |
| 00:49.48 | valdyn | !dmraid |
| 00:49.48 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). See <sata faq>. |
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| 00:50.13 | valdyn | en1gma: you need to use dmraid |
| 00:50.22 | valdyn | en1gma: except that is a real hardware raid controller |
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| 00:50.46 | en1gma | well i installed dmraid when the raid0 drives were disconnected and then shutdown and then hooked up the raid0 drives and i kept getting buffer i/o errors when i tried to boot up |
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| 00:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, or possibly you really have to move syslogd from /etc/cron.daily to /etc/cron.weekly |
| 00:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually from that looks to me like this one is not handled by logrotate, but is separate |
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| 00:52.33 | epsilon | CutMeOwnThroat: already checked out these, and look at sysklogd in /etc/cron.* |
| 00:53.21 | epsilon | it's asking syslogd-listfiles which file to rotate with --auth, --weekly, and daily with no further option |
| 00:53.30 | epsilon | I see no conf file to manipulate THAT |
| 00:53.39 | en1gma | after all this time are you saying that dmraid dont work with debian? |
| 00:53.52 | valdyn | en1gma: no one said that |
| 00:53.53 | abrotman | who said that ? |
| 00:53.53 | en1gma | every other distro has this working upon install |
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| 00:54.09 | en1gma | the !dmraid said it |
| 00:54.14 | en1gma | it says use md |
| 00:54.15 | valdyn | en1gma: no |
| 00:54.31 | valdyn | en1gma: it sais that dmraid is worse than mdraid |
| 00:54.37 | valdyn | en1gma: it doesnt say that it doesnt work |
| 00:54.44 | en1gma | ive used dmraid for about 2 years and it works perfect |
| 00:54.54 | en1gma | i used it on my old 4 drive raid0 |
| 00:54.54 | valdyn | en1gma: its junk |
| 00:55.03 | en1gma | ok tell someone who dont know |
| 00:55.05 | valdyn | en1gma: your anecdotical evidence cant fix that |
| 00:55.06 | en1gma | believe me i know |
| 00:55.10 | en1gma | ive used it |
| 00:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, actually, apt-file tells me that /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd doesn't belong to logrotate, but to sysklogd ( \o/ for the exception to the rule ) |
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| 00:56.09 | epsilon | I don't actually care if logrotate or cron is initiating the script, my problem is at syslogd-listfiles |
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| 00:56.37 | epsilon | never mind, I gonna hack the sysklogd cronjobs |
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| 00:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, I don't think there is any other way |
| 00:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no preferable one |
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| 01:01.14 | epsilon | one thing I don't understand, why is so simple thing as changing the rotation of syslog not possible with simple config? I can't be the only one who want more than daily & 7days syslog... |
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| 01:01.28 | epsilon | is there any reason why syslog should be rotated daily? |
| 01:01.50 | epsilon | *rotation period |
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| 01:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess most people just don't care? |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | wave your hands ? |
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| 01:11.32 | mattgirv | right im off to bed, nn |
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| 01:25.31 | ajehals | Quick question, is there any current migration path from sysvinit to upstart? |
| 01:25.41 | ajehals | s/current/currently |
| 01:25.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | inisserv iirc |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | isn't it insserv ? |
| 01:27.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah, sorry |
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| 01:32.19 | roland- | hey, no ext4 on debian install? |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | roland-: not in lenny, it uses a kernel that was released before ext4 was deemed stable by the kernel devs |
| 01:33.48 | roland- | so I need to install testing? |
| 01:33.54 | tensorpudding | you can upgrade ext3 to ext4 can't you? |
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| 01:34.16 | roland- | on the filesystem? can I? |
| 01:34.31 | tensorpudding | yes i believe so, let me see |
| 01:34.39 | roland- | I am planning to use a custom kernel but Idid no knew migration from ext3 to ext4 can be done |
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| 01:34.54 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 01:34.54 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 01:35.14 | roland- | oh debian with sexy kernel. |
| 01:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about sex |
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| 01:35.45 | roland- | lenny-custom-0627.iso - kernel version 2.6.30 + linux-firmware + ext4 support that is sexy |
| 01:35.45 | beardy | y |
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| 01:36.24 | tensorpudding | of course, if that is going to be on your root, you have to have the filesystem unmounted first |
| 01:36.55 | roland- | tensorpudding i know i can do some other distro cd and mount but the issue is that the migration is not 100% to ext4 just some features |
| 01:36.59 | roland- | that is what I remember |
| 01:37.10 | valdyn | its 100% |
| 01:37.21 | roland- | sounds nice |
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| 01:37.24 | valdyn | but affects only new files |
| 01:37.37 | chron | does debian install support encryption? |
| 01:37.52 | chron | the installer itself |
| 01:37.55 | roland- | well if I use that installer custom says lenny 5.0 will apt upggrade to 5.0.3 automaticaly? |
| 01:38.03 | valdyn | sometimes you can make that to all files by just copying every file, sometimes thats hard to do |
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| 01:38.35 | valdyn | roland-: yes, if you have network |
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| 01:38.46 | roland- | I do have network |
| 01:39.36 | roland- | i know this is a dumb question but can I install debian and use ubuntu packages? |
| 01:39.36 | roland- | :> |
| 01:39.49 | tensorpudding | no |
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| 01:40.08 | roland- | damn, I hate that pokemon distro name |
| 01:40.11 | tensorpudding | if you have a deb made for ubuntu there is no guarantee it will work on debian |
| 01:40.13 | roland- | it's unprofessional |
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| 01:41.06 | tensorpudding | it's surely possible that some will work |
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| 01:45.29 | roland- | Broadcom NetXtreme II 10Gb |
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| 01:45.33 | qiyong | how to change a list's owner? in CLI? |
| 01:45.34 | qiyong | mailman |
| 01:45.46 | roland- | I wish I had that internet speed. |
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| 01:47.07 | abrotman | qiyong: #mailman |
| 01:47.19 | qiyong | abrotman: people dead there |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | wait |
| 01:47.39 | qiyong | abrotman: till 24 hours later? |
| 01:47.43 | tensorpudding | they died? |
| 01:47.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean "!they don't know"? |
| 01:48.00 | roland- | it's only 19.000 euros/mo for that 10gb conectivity |
| 01:48.02 | qiyong | if one knows, why can't answer here |
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| 01:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | because if he knew, he'd also be in #mailman |
| 01:48.57 | qiyong | CutMeOwnThroat: one knows 100 programs, one sit in 100 channs? |
| 01:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | exactly |
| 01:49.12 | qiyong | heh |
| 01:49.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the law!!!!111eleven |
| 01:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you saying you don't do that? |
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| 01:50.33 | tensorpudding | you don't have to idle in every channel you have the slightest interest in |
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| 01:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course you do! |
| 01:53.13 | tensorpudding | though i'm not sure why i idle here except for the lols |
| 01:53.16 | Titan8990 | tensorpudding: yep, good to log them too |
| 01:53.35 | tensorpudding | more logs not worth reading... |
| 01:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | tensorpudding, see, you're not even interested! |
| 01:54.22 | tensorpudding | hmm, ~/.xsession-errors is kinda useless |
| 01:56.15 | roland- | oh this is nice |
| 01:56.36 | roland- | debian fails to start after install complains about cannot mount because of unsupported optional features |
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| 01:58.47 | papait | !ha |
| 01:58.47 | dpkg | i guess ha is High Availability, or <search> heartbeat, or 12.5% of an LOL |
| 01:58.56 | papait | !ja |
| 01:58.56 | dpkg | methinks ja is nice |
| 01:59.02 | papait | !what? |
| 01:59.02 | dpkg | This! |
| 01:59.06 | papait | ha ha |
| 01:59.12 | papait | !so |
| 01:59.12 | dpkg | so are you broken? |
| 01:59.16 | papait | !no |
| 01:59.16 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 01:59.22 | Tramp | papait: stop it please |
| 01:59.28 | papait | Tramp, ok |
| 01:59.45 | Tramp | papait: if you feel the need, you can /msg the bot |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | or not |
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| 02:00.11 | umeboshi | does anybody know why libgtk2.0-dev can't be installed on sid, currently? |
| 02:00.26 | zinx | sid's sid :/ |
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| 02:01.11 | umeboshi | yes, but usually lib* and lib*-dev come from the same source package, so there shouldn't be this sort of problem |
| 02:01.13 | Saar | as in unstable/testing |
| 02:01.18 | Saar | word says it |
| 02:02.14 | Saar | sid's unstable in this case |
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| 02:02.24 | abrotman | umeboshi: it doesn't mean they both build correctly |
| 02:02.41 | Saar | so as to why, cause it's unstable ;-) |
| 02:02.42 | umeboshi | I understand that sid has problems from time to time, but this particular problem usually never happens, and I was wondering if anybody knew what was happening? |
| 02:03.17 | Saar | !yes |
| 02:03.18 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | umeboshi: no reason to msg me |
| 02:04.23 | papait | !bye |
| 02:04.23 | dpkg | Cya, papait |
| 02:05.02 | umeboshi | abrotman: I'm sorry I thought you had done so to me, I'm not used to this irc client yet |
| 02:05.15 | papait | !Cya |
| 02:05.15 | dpkg | [cya] Cover Your Ass, or l33tspeak for "see you" |
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| 02:05.16 | umeboshi | abrotman: I used to use xchat, but decided to go with the kde irc client |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | papait: please go away |
| 02:06.19 | umeboshi | abrotman: when I see red text, that's why I figured it was /msg |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | it just means you got highlightted |
| 02:06.29 | umeboshi | I'm really sorry about the confusion |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | umeboshi: incoming.debian.org hve your package? |
| 02:07.01 | umeboshi | maybe, I'll check next |
| 02:07.24 | umeboshi | but I think I'll just use lenny chroot to build the source, which will work just as well anyway |
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| 02:08.50 | rares | does anyone have a midnight commander color theme like the class darkslategray theme on emacs? |
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| 02:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | cya is leet? |
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| 02:18.27 | roland- | y4s m4n |
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| 02:19.59 | umeboshi | I think the chroot will work out just fine for what I need, thanks for hte help, and sorry about not being familiar with my irc client :) |
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| 02:44.33 | roland- | xfce 4.4.2 wtf debian isn't upgrading anything? |
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| 02:46.36 | craigevil | judd versions:xfdesktop4 |
| 02:46.36 | judd | craigevil: Error: "versions:xfdesktop4" is not a valid command. |
| 02:47.01 | craigevil | judd version: xfdesktop4 |
| 02:47.01 | judd | craigevil: Error: "version:" is not a valid command. |
| 02:47.04 | craigevil | arg |
| 02:47.24 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions xfce |
| 02:47.24 | freenose | roland-: use testing |
| 02:47.24 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: xfce -- |
| 02:47.33 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 02:47.34 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 4.6.1.2 squeeze: 4.6.1.2 |
| 02:47.36 | craigevil | anyway xfce 4.6 is in sid and maybe backports and testing |
| 02:48.02 | roland- | checks when xfce 4.6 was released |
| 02:48.19 | roland- | april |
| 02:48.22 | freenose | roland-: or check backports |
| 02:48.52 | roland- | I think debians seems to have the slowest update in the world. |
| 02:49.03 | freenose | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/xfce4 |
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| 02:49.25 | craigevil | roland-: stable doesnt get ne wversions if you want newer versions then you run testing or sid |
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| 02:50.52 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: are you not reading the factoid? 4.6 is in lenny backports |
| 02:51.25 | roland- | how do I get to sid? |
| 02:51.28 | craigevil | yes i saw that, using backports isnt the same as running straight lenny nor is it always as stable that way |
| 02:51.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell roland- about ssb |
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| 02:52.02 | craigevil | and not every package gets backported |
| 02:52.09 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: stable with backports is ok for production |
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| 02:52.44 | roland- | ok so which is more stable unstable? sid or backports/? |
| 02:52.51 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: and anything not backported is probably not good enough for production - you can't have it both ways ;) |
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| 02:53.51 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: sid is experimental - backports is not a version of debian - it is amethod of getting some more recent versions of some packages |
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| 02:54.14 | roland- | that just sucks. |
| 02:54.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell roland- about sid |
| 02:54.27 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:54.43 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: define your problem |
| 02:54.48 | roland- | install debian with some new packages |
| 02:54.58 | freenose | use squeeze |
| 02:54.58 | jpinx-eeepc | which newer packages? |
| 02:55.04 | roland- | my problem is that xfce 4.6 has some new features. |
| 02:55.13 | jpinx-eeepc | freenose: not necessarily |
| 02:55.29 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: so you are ot ina production environment? |
| 02:55.33 | roland- | xfce is not a well maintained software so latest version can be a boost |
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| 02:55.38 | roland- | no, laptop |
| 02:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: do a ssb of the version of xfce4 in sid |
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| 02:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: be aware that stable means exactly that - very stable - for heavyweight production environments |
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| 02:57.10 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: for your laptop you can be more adventurous |
| 02:57.22 | roland- | xfce 4.2 cannot be stable. |
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| 02:57.38 | abrotman | it can't be ? |
| 02:57.43 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: don;t confuse stable with new |
| 02:57.46 | roland- | unles debian modifies alot of stuff |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 02:58.02 | judd | abrotman: xfce4 -- etch: 4.3.99.2 etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2 lenny: 4.4.2.1 sid: 4.4.2.1 lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1 sid: 4.6.1.2 squeeze: 4.6.1.2 |
| 02:58.04 | roland- | is like calling ext4dev stable |
| 02:58.05 | jpinx-eeepc | roland-: what is unstable about it? |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | doesn't see 4.2 anywhere ? |
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| 03:01.25 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: how much of the crud created by the ssb procedure can I delete? |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: til it stops working :) |
| 03:01.57 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you mean like all the -dev packages? |
| 03:02.20 | jpinx-eeepc | yea |
| 03:02.53 | jpinx-eeepc | and .diff.gz |
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| 03:03.34 | racecar56 | it weirdly seems that my K menu doesn't have iceweasel listed, i tried reinstalling iceweasel and that didn't help, what is wrong? |
| 03:03.35 | roe | is there a CLI way to print all pdfs in a folder? |
| 03:03.53 | freenose | ls *.pdf |
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| 03:03.58 | tensorpudding | print as in, print out? |
| 03:04.01 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I've already moved it into a different dir, and nothings broken yet, so I get the feeling that it's only needed during the install |
| 03:04.07 | roe | print as in send to a cups printer |
| 03:04.08 | tensorpudding | there is probably some magic with lpr that could do that |
| 03:04.21 | racecar56 | sounds about right @ tensorpudding |
| 03:04.38 | abrotman | there is stuff like pdf2txt |
| 03:04.43 | tensorpudding | you'd have to have cups configured |
| 03:04.55 | tensorpudding | so that lpr would know what the hell to do |
| 03:05.10 | tensorpudding | i haven't messed with cups in ages thankfully |
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| 03:06.48 | babilen | racecar56: just "lpr -P name_of_printer *.pdf" |
| 03:07.08 | roe | is that to me? |
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| 03:07.13 | babilen | racecar56: If you need anything more fancy "man lpr" |
| 03:07.19 | tensorpudding | roe: i think so |
| 03:07.31 | babilen | roe: yes. Sorry |
| 03:07.37 | roe | I settled on lpr *.pdf -C Ricoh |
| 03:07.48 | roe | just needed the starting command so I could man it |
| 03:07.49 | tensorpudding | hmm, lpr defaults to a printer specified at $PRINTER |
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| 03:08.03 | racecar56 | :D that sounds right !@ babilen |
| 03:08.11 | racecar56 | s/!@/@ |
| 03:08.39 | tensorpudding | oh hmm, wait, that's openbsd's lpr |
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| 03:42.30 | develCuy | is there some secret about ulimit -v? how can I change the default value? |
| 03:43.22 | MorkBork | theres a limit.conf |
| 03:43.49 | MorkBork | its /etc/security/limits.conf in debian |
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| 03:45.20 | develCuy | MorkBork, it seems that limits.conf can't help me to change the total or virtual memory :( |
| 03:45.34 | MorkBork | what is it right now |
| 03:45.39 | develCuy | 200000 |
| 03:46.00 | MorkBork | im on a fresh debian install |
| 03:46.05 | MorkBork | ulimit -v = unlimited for me |
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| 03:47.20 | develCuy | yep |
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| 03:47.46 | develCuy | I have remote server, where I need to increase the value, just don't know how |
| 03:48.01 | MorkBork | is it a vps? |
| 03:48.16 | develCuy | ds |
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| 04:00.58 | develCuy | I'm really frustrated because I don't know where the value of ulimit is stablished/locked |
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| 04:18.16 | kampasky | develCuy: /etc/security/limit.conf? |
| 04:18.25 | kampasky | *limits.conf |
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| 04:18.57 | develCuy | kampasky, I have tried with that already, just don't know how to apply the changes |
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| 04:19.07 | develCuy | or if the values affect the max memory |
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| 04:20.54 | marcin | Hi, could you help me? My drbd second device went into cs:WFConnection. How do you think: drbadm connect all should help? |
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| 04:22.07 | kampasky | develCuy: (you need to log out and back in for them to tak eeffect) |
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| 04:22.36 | develCuy | kampasky, do you know which value to change for increase memory limit? |
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| 04:23.26 | kampasky | develCuy: rss or data |
| 04:23.39 | kampasky | but usually you don't ahve limits for that at all |
| 04:23.47 | tuv | alright.. a keybinding to: wmctrl -a `zenity --entry` <- switch windows by name.. pretty neat |
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| 04:24.21 | tuv | loves openbox |
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| 04:26.46 | develCuy | ok, trying |
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| 04:28.40 | develCuy | found the error, last time I was trying with the wrong format |
| 04:29.29 | develCuy | it seems to work now, it at least now shows unlimited for ulimit -v |
| 04:29.59 | develCuy | got it working :), thank you!!! |
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| 04:45.17 | amitz | quick question. Does grep send result only after crawling through everything or they will spout a line immediately after it finds a match. Assume normal output. |
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| 04:53.47 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 04:53.56 | S4nD3r | please, how to solve error like this look this http://pastebin.com/d74b3447 now, its worst |
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| 04:58.38 | axe | S4nD3r, you have syntax error in /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller init-script |
| 04:58.53 | S4nD3r | yes |
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| 04:59.02 | S4nD3r | id like to reinstalls it |
| 04:59.13 | S4nD3r | but, always have those errors |
| 04:59.52 | axe | try to kill it without init script |
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| 05:00.58 | axe | or you can try to fix init-script by hand |
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| 05:03.28 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 05:03.48 | S4nD3r | now it works |
| 05:03.53 | S4nD3r | already I need help in these problem http://pastebin.com/d23b97ba0 |
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| 05:05.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks to me like your asking in the wrong channel |
| 05:06.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | S4nD3r: you should be asking your querstions in #ubuntu . |
| 05:06.36 | S4nD3r | oh.... |
| 05:06.42 | S4nD3r | but they dont know |
| 05:06.43 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 05:06.49 | S4nD3r | or, dont want to help |
| 05:07.16 | S4nD3r | id like to use broadcom wireless card, just this |
| 05:07.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | nevertheless, its teh correct location for your question |
| 05:07.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | *especially* since the relevant packages have ubuntu modifications |
| 05:08.03 | S4nD3r | these card works in debian? |
| 05:08.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | no idea |
| 05:08.31 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 05:08.35 | S4nD3r | thnkx |
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| 05:13.14 | eyevvvvvvv | o_O |
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| 05:20.31 | S4nD3r | hi there. How to reload a module ? |
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| 05:20.41 | S4nD3r | lsmod? |
| 05:20.46 | S4nD3r | shows |
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| 05:21.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubuntu is still offtopic here |
| 05:21.25 | S4nD3r | I know |
| 05:21.32 | S4nD3r | but this is linux |
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| 05:21.36 | S4nD3r | isnt it ? |
| 05:21.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:22.02 | S4nD3r | I will need go to ubuntu to ask how to reload a module? |
| 05:22.14 | S4nD3r | This is the debian channel? |
| 05:22.27 | Gun_Smoke | one of them. |
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| 05:22.57 | S4nD3r | Kamping_Kaiser, tell me King of true |
| 05:23.19 | S4nD3r | Master of knowlegment |
| 05:23.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ask in #ubuntu (or just fucking google it. in this instance, the better option) |
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| 05:24.12 | Gun_Smoke | :) |
| 05:24.47 | ehazlett | greetings... is there a way to direct apt not to start daemons after an apt-get install? |
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| 05:25.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm... arch must have had a new release or something. that questions been hre a few times recently |
| 05:25.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | ehazlett: not afaik |
| 05:25.41 | ehazlett | hmmm |
| 05:26.22 | swoody | S4nD3r, did you install both b43-fwcutter and bcmwl-kernel-source ? |
| 05:26.53 | S4nD3r | sure! |
| 05:26.53 | swoody | S4nD3r, just an FYI, but those are two different drivers for the same device... I would reccomend keeping one, and ditching the other to begin with :) |
| 05:27.29 | S4nD3r | ok. thank you so much for your help |
| 05:27.51 | swoody | S4nD3r, which model broadcom card do you have? |
| 05:28.19 | swoody | "lspci | grep Network" should help ;) |
| 05:28.22 | S4nD3r | 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03) |
| 05:28.42 | swoody | one sec... |
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| 05:30.37 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 05:31.28 | swoody | Still trying to figure it out, but there may be an open source driver you can use... |
| 05:31.30 | swoody | http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/ |
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| 05:31.51 | swoody | I've used it on my BCM4311 with success in Ubuntu, gNewSense, and Debian |
| 05:34.02 | swoody | S4nD3r, you might be out of luck... |
| 05:34.10 | swoody | "i was wrong. For BCM4328 bm43-fwcutter doesn't work. I'm using ndiswrapper with windows drivers" |
| 05:34.43 | S4nD3r | ok. |
| 05:34.54 | S4nD3r | I will try to install ndis again |
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| 05:35.08 | S4nD3r | its necessary to remove others? |
| 05:35.38 | swoody | S4nD3r, I would, and it might prove useful to remove them :) |
| 05:35.43 | swoody | S4nD3r, http://ghantoos.org/2009/04/30/debian-bcm4328-and-ndiswrapper/ |
| 05:35.49 | swoody | that may be of use to you ;) |
| 05:37.02 | S4nD3r | Ok. thanks |
| 05:37.07 | S4nD3r | I will follow those links |
| 05:37.09 | swoody | it's no problem at all :) |
| 05:37.25 | S4nD3r | when finish, Ill turn back to say |
| 05:37.28 | S4nD3r | if worked |
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| 05:41.18 | drdo | Hello |
| 05:41.35 | drdo | "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" |
| 05:41.42 | drdo | I'm getting this when running "X -configure" |
| 05:41.57 | drdo | Could anyone share some insight on why this is happening and what it actually means? |
| 05:42.12 | S4nD3r | so |
| 05:42.34 | S4nD3r | I followed all steps, but iwconfig didnt show wireless interface |
| 05:42.50 | S4nD3r | is there another way to solve it? swoody |
| 05:43.09 | swoody | S4nD3r, did you try rebooting? |
| 05:43.15 | S4nD3r | not yet |
| 05:43.33 | swoody | S4nD3r, try giving it a reboot if 'ifconfig xxx up' doesn't work |
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| 05:46.54 | swoody | drdo, what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 05:47.33 | drdo | nvidia |
| 05:47.57 | drdo | i installed nvidia proprietary drivers now using nvidia's installer and then used nvidia-xconfig and it's working properly |
| 05:48.04 | drdo | But i'd like to use the "nv" driver instead |
| 05:50.25 | swoody | drdo, do you have both drivers installed right now? |
| 05:50.32 | drdo | yes |
| 05:50.48 | swoody | drdo, try uninstalling the proprietary Nvidia drivers completely |
| 05:51.00 | drdo | that was how i was before |
| 05:51.02 | swoody | I think two drivers may be trying to create two different outputs or 'screens' |
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| 05:51.18 | drdo | That error was with nvidia drivers uninstalled |
| 05:51.27 | swoody | drdo, I see... |
| 05:51.32 | swoody | one sec... |
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| 05:51.56 | S4nD3r | swoody, thanks so much |
| 05:52.09 | drdo | there's no rxvt-unicode in debian squeeze? ? :S |
| 05:52.16 | swoody | S4nD3r, did it work out for you? |
| 05:52.22 | S4nD3r | I didnt get to connect, but, nic is working |
| 05:52.50 | swoody | S4nD3r, it 'wouldnt' connect, or you don't have a AP to connect to? |
| 05:53.10 | S4nD3r | I have |
| 05:53.18 | S4nD3r | but, didnt connect |
| 05:53.22 | S4nD3r | I dont know what |
| 05:53.54 | swoody | S4nD3r, any errors? Did you make sure your key was entered correctly? |
| 05:54.01 | swoody | and double-check it**? |
| 05:54.20 | S4nD3r | no errors |
| 05:54.25 | S4nD3r | just no connect |
| 05:54.31 | S4nD3r | key is correct |
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| 05:56.10 | jetscreamer | nv no 3d |
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| 06:05.10 | swoody | drdo, can you give us the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 06:07.37 | drdo | it is as generated by nvidia-xconfig |
| 06:07.39 | drdo | the default |
| 06:09.09 | jetscreamer | well if you're trying to go back to nv, there should be a backup of the original xorg.conf |
| 06:09.20 | jetscreamer | in /etc/X11 |
| 06:09.35 | drdo | no because X -configure would not generate it |
| 06:09.39 | drdo | that was exactly where the problem was |
| 06:09.58 | jetscreamer | it's just an empty file basically, nowadays |
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| 06:16.12 | S4nD3r_ | swoody, |
| 06:16.26 | S4nD3r_ | thank you for your patience |
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| 06:16.32 | S4nD3r_ | and your help |
| 06:16.41 | swoody | S4nD3r_, it's np, sorry we couldn't get it working better for ya :/ |
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| 06:17.03 | S4nD3r_ | really something is wrong |
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| 06:17.27 | S4nD3r_ | notebook cant see my wireless network |
| 06:17.52 | S4nD3r_ | my mobile see, conects |
| 06:17.57 | S4nD3r_ | lol |
| 06:18.02 | swoody | hmm... |
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| 06:18.25 | S4nD3r_ | my laptop, just see.. PUT_YOUR_LICENSE as a network |
| 06:18.27 | S4nD3r_ | lol |
| 06:18.37 | S4nD3r_ | my one is called NetHouse |
| 06:19.00 | S4nD3r_ | can you send me .inf file? |
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| 06:20.53 | jetscreamer | there are no infs |
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| 06:21.26 | swoody | S4nD3r_, try this: http://hasin.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/getting-dell-bcm4328-wifi-card-working-on-ubuntu-710/ |
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| 06:21.41 | swoody | a bit old, but it should get you the driver files you need |
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| 06:21.57 | S4nD3r_ | bcmwl5.inf |
| 06:22.23 | jetscreamer | unless this is that 'use windows drivers' thing |
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| 06:23.52 | S4nD3r_ | I downloaded this one just to use here |
| 06:24.09 | swoody | jetscreamer, yes, ndiswrapper uses the Windows driver :) |
| 06:25.21 | swoody | S4nD3r_, try going to the website of your computer manufacturer, and see if they have drivers available for download, you should be able to find it there :) |
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| 06:25.45 | S4nD3r_ | ok. I had in CD |
| 06:25.50 | S4nD3r_ | from my dell |
| 06:25.51 | swoody | CD works too ;) |
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| 06:26.40 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it, ndiswrapper |
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| 06:26.53 | jetscreamer | worked fine for me when i used it |
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| 06:28.50 | draeath | aarg I cannot get X to NOT load composite |
| 06:28.54 | draeath | first, "(**) Extension "Composite" is disabled" as I have disabled it in the extensions section |
| 06:28.58 | draeath | but then, later: "(II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE" |
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| 06:30.14 | draeath | my X config: http://pastebin.com/m42f3885 |
| 06:31.26 | jetscreamer | enable? |
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| 06:31.32 | jetscreamer | wouldn't be boolean? |
| 06:31.38 | jetscreamer | isn't sure |
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| 06:32.21 | jetscreamer | Option"Composite""1" |
| 06:32.23 | draeath | I believe 'enable' is a valid bool for Xorg |
| 06:32.24 | jetscreamer | now i'm sure |
| 06:32.29 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:32.34 | jetscreamer | mine says that though |
| 06:32.49 | draeath | well, that's what nvidia-xconfig --no-composite did |
| 06:32.58 | draeath | and the x log shows that it IS reading that part |
| 06:33.04 | draeath | but then it goes and loads it anyway!? |
| 06:33.22 | jetscreamer | might be a #xorg type question, or #nvidia |
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| 06:34.56 | draeath | hmm... i'll try xorg |
| 06:35.06 | draeath | I want to know at least why it's disrespecting my direct "orders" |
| 06:35.08 | draeath | ty |
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| 06:38.40 | olspookishmagus | hello... how come two SAME version installations of twitux differ as to the hyperlink manipulation? |
| 06:38.41 | olspookishmagus | In Debian stable links will not be opened/copied in contrary with Debian testing that they WILL be opened or copied if requested... |
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| 06:39.16 | S4nD3r | swoody, |
| 06:39.17 | S4nD3r | nothing |
| 06:39.27 | S4nD3r | probably ap is in trouble |
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| 06:40.10 | drdo | is there no rxvt-unicode in debian? |
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| 06:40.45 | jetscreamer | there was |
| 06:40.52 | drdo | was it removed? |
| 06:41.11 | jetscreamer | did you try apt-cache search? i dunno if it was removed, i just remember seeing it |
| 06:41.18 | jetscreamer | a while ago |
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| 06:41.38 | drdo | apt-cache can't find it |
| 06:41.46 | drdo | but apt-get |
| 06:41.54 | drdo | says it is referred by another package |
| 06:42.23 | jetscreamer | !rxvt-unicode |
| 06:42.23 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is, like, an <RXVT>-like terminal emulator with Unicode support. FAQ: http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html #rxvt-unicode @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:43.03 | drdo | by the way, how unstable is unstable? I'm currenly using testing |
| 06:43.40 | craigevil | judd: versions rxvt-unicode |
| 06:43.40 | judd | craigevil: rxvt-unicode -- etch: 7.9-2 lenny: 9.05-1+lenny1 sid: 9.06-2 |
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| 06:43.57 | elik | Say I install matlab on linux, what would be the best directory to put it in? |
| 06:44.21 | jetscreamer | drdo: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rxvt-unicode |
| 06:44.34 | drdo | i'm not using lenny |
| 06:44.38 | drdo | i'm using squeeze |
| 06:45.14 | jetscreamer | drdo: apparently, like other packages, it's in sid, and stable, but not testing |
| 06:45.30 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rxvt-unicode&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 06:45.34 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 06:45.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:45.43 | S4nD3r | ls |
| 06:45.46 | S4nD3r | in /usr elik |
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| 06:46.11 | elik | S4nD3r, anything special under that? /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, /usr/share |
| 06:46.14 | jetscreamer | you could 'probably' just use the sid package |
| 06:46.21 | drdo | btw, when i tried using module-assistant to build a nvidia module |
| 06:46.30 | S4nD3r | normally, /usr (user) |
| 06:46.31 | drdo | it installed a bunch of crap that was obviously not needed |
| 06:46.33 | jetscreamer | but, ymmv and you get to keep both pieces if it breaks |
| 06:46.39 | S4nD3r | or /opt |
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| 06:46.41 | drdo | is there any way i can get rid of it? |
| 06:46.46 | S4nD3r | I used those! |
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| 06:47.02 | jetscreamer | get rid of what |
| 06:47.06 | jetscreamer | m-a is cool |
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| 06:47.25 | jetscreamer | i prefer the nvidia-installer personally though |
| 06:47.31 | jetscreamer | i get much grief for it |
| 06:47.34 | jetscreamer | in here |
| 06:47.46 | drdo | sure, m-a didn't work anyway |
| 06:47.49 | DogBoy | heh, jetscreamer |
| 06:47.58 | drdo | the problem is it installed a bunch of crap as a dependency for the nvidia module |
| 06:48.07 | drdo | totally unrelated |
| 06:48.17 | drdo | like conkeror, aumix and a long listt |
| 06:48.20 | drdo | *list |
| 06:48.24 | S4nD3r | thanks for all help |
| 06:48.26 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:48.28 | drdo | is there any way i can remove those packages? |
| 06:48.33 | S4nD3r | see you! |
| 06:48.36 | jetscreamer | yeah just --purge em |
| 06:48.37 | S4nD3r | bye |
| 06:48.40 | jetscreamer | or --remove |
| 06:48.45 | drdo | jetscreamer: problem is i don't have a list |
| 06:48.48 | drdo | of those packages |
| 06:48.51 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 06:49.17 | jetscreamer | scroll waaaaaaaay up on your monitor..... :/ |
| 06:49.29 | drdo | oh no, i've rebooted since then |
| 06:49.32 | drdo | isn't there a log? |
| 06:49.36 | jetscreamer | i don't know |
| 06:49.38 | drdo | or can't m-a remove it? |
| 06:50.04 | jetscreamer | it probably wouldn't remove the cruft, just the module.. but i'm guessing, haven't used m-a all that much |
| 06:50.10 | drdo | there's a log |
| 06:50.13 | jetscreamer | check /var/log ? |
| 06:50.20 | drdo | /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 06:50.22 | drdo | :) |
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| 06:53.22 | drdo | how can i install rxvt-unicode from sid? |
| 06:53.27 | drdo | since it is not on testing |
| 06:53.29 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 06:53.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:53.37 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 06:53.37 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 06:53.57 | jetscreamer | ssb ^^ |
| 06:55.16 | jetscreamer | Simple |
| 06:55.55 | drdo | livafterimage-dev: Depends: librsvg-2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:56.36 | olspookishmagus | ok, THIS is Closed/Resolved -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504792#1 but HOW did it got resolved? |
| 06:57.16 | drdo | so how do i solve this issue guys? |
| 06:59.37 | jetscreamer | well this is what you shouldn't do, because i would, and it would work probably, and i'd get larted in #debian ... just d/l the sid or lenny .deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 06:59.51 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 07:00.05 | jetscreamer | the other thing you shouldn't do, if that didn't work, is... |
| 07:00.32 | jetscreamer | change sources to sid, do apt-get update, apt-get install rxvt-unicode, change sources back to testing |
| 07:00.36 | olspookishmagus | as seen here [1] the versions of the package twitux are: Stable 0.61-3, Testing 0.61-3, Unstable 0.69-4 and still same versions of the package but on my testing installation the problem does not exist :/ [1] http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=twitux |
| 07:00.45 | superlinux | is't allowed to install the AMD64 distro over the core2duo ? |
| 07:00.54 | superlinux | is't allowed to install the AMD64 distro over the core2duo system? |
| 07:01.14 | jetscreamer | supported yes that's what you want for 64bit |
| 07:01.19 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 07:01.20 | dpkg | amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 07:01.56 | superlinux | aha ok |
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| 07:02.25 | drdo | jetscreamer: gonna try downloading the deb |
| 07:02.31 | drdo | probably won't work |
| 07:02.44 | drdo | it won't be able to meet those dependencies |
| 07:02.54 | jetscreamer | which deps |
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| 07:03.07 | drdo | livafterimage-dev: Depends: librsvg-2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 07:03.24 | drdo | and there's another one but i don't feel like copying it from the other pc :P |
| 07:03.26 | jetscreamer | liveafterimage? and why -dev, you're going to dev it? |
| 07:03.34 | drdo | ahmm |
| 07:03.42 | drdo | i'm following ssb |
| 07:03.52 | drdo | this is on the build-dep step |
| 07:04.02 | jetscreamer | well did you try apt-get install librsvg-2 et al? |
| 07:04.10 | drdo | nop |
| 07:04.11 | jetscreamer | chances are those are in testing |
| 07:04.24 | drdo | isn't that the whole point of build-dep? |
| 07:04.27 | drdo | to do that |
| 07:04.29 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 07:04.51 | jetscreamer | i just kinda coax things to work |
| 07:04.56 | drdo | i just feel like upgrading to sid tbh |
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| 07:05.11 | jetscreamer | well everybody in here will tell you not to |
| 07:05.18 | jetscreamer | i've been running sid since woody |
| 07:05.28 | drdo | how unstable is it? |
| 07:05.50 | jetscreamer | it has it's moments, of true hell, but not really all that often |
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| 07:06.19 | drdo | why the hell is there no rxvt-unicode in testing anyway? |
| 07:06.33 | drdo | and btw, is there a better alternative? |
| 07:06.35 | jetscreamer | and, as long as you're careful, and know when to not update, you're ok |
| 07:06.39 | jetscreamer | they do that |
| 07:06.51 | jetscreamer | not just 'that' program.. there's a reason |
| 07:06.57 | drdo | all i want is a simple terminal with Xft support |
| 07:06.58 | jetscreamer | damn if i know what it is |
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| 07:07.04 | drdo | no tabs no bullshit |
| 07:07.04 | jetscreamer | !why is blah not in testing |
| 07:07.04 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 07:07.23 | jetscreamer | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 07:07.23 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 07:07.37 | peterrooney | drdo: because the devs hate swearers. xterm-unicode |
| 07:07.58 | jetscreamer | cursors :o |
| 07:08.07 | jetscreamer | (cursers) |
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| 07:08.15 | jetscreamer | potty mouths |
| 07:08.17 | drdo | peterrooney: xterm is pretty slow |
| 07:08.22 | peterrooney | jetscreamer: curses, typos again! |
| 07:08.25 | drdo | or at least it was when i last tried using it |
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| 07:08.50 | drdo | it still is |
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| 07:11.48 | drdo | btw |
| 07:12.00 | drdo | can't they just use the rxvt-unicode from lenny on testing? |
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| 07:13.15 | drdo | no git on testing either? |
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| 07:18.57 | drdo | here we go, upgrading to sid |
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| 07:30.52 | drdo | i removed some packages |
| 07:30.56 | drdo | and i want to purge them now |
| 07:30.58 | drdo | how can i do that? |
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| 07:32.58 | mnuhmnuh | xterm is slow? what are you using it on? a teletype? |
| 07:33.12 | hark | drdo: aptitude purge foo |
| 07:33.22 | drdo | try rxvt and then try xterm and you'll know what i mean |
| 07:34.03 | mnuhmnuh | i use both. on modern hardware, they're (speed-wise) comparable. |
| 07:34.16 | drdo | not quite |
| 07:34.31 | drdo | just run "dmesg" or some other command with lots of output |
| 07:34.34 | drdo | and compare them |
| 07:34.43 | drdo | you'll notice the difference |
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| 07:35.50 | mnuhmnuh | diference, of what value? compared to loading firefox page w and wout jscript enabled? |
| 07:35.55 | jmarsden | drdo: Yes, scroll speed is usually faster on rxvt. However, unless you read a zillion words per minute, it's usually more useful to only output what you want to read rather than output 5 million lines of junk and wait for it to stop :) |
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| 07:37.47 | drdo | it's not only scroll speed |
| 07:37.52 | drdo | when you do that in xterm |
| 07:37.54 | drdo | it will flicker |
| 07:38.05 | drdo | rxvt displays it nicely, no flickering |
| 07:38.32 | jmarsden | drdo: So don't do that. Compare dmesg |tail in each one, instead. |
| 07:38.33 | hark | xterm becomes much faster if you don't use a ttf font |
| 07:38.44 | drdo | hark: it still flickers |
| 07:39.23 | drdo | but i want to use a TTF font anyway |
| 07:39.23 | drdo | why would i use the inferior software when i can use rxvt? |
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| 07:39.24 | drdo | urxvt does everything uxterm does, only better |
| 07:39.38 | mnuhmnuh | why use a ttf font when it fscks with your term?!? |
| 07:39.46 | drdo | it doesn't |
| 07:39.52 | drdo | TTF works great on urxvt |
| 07:40.15 | drdo | fast, looking good, no complaints |
| 07:40.20 | hark | drdo: know about urxvtd? |
| 07:40.25 | drdo | hark: yes, i use it |
| 07:40.33 | Tobias| | Is there an obvious reason I've missed why I can't find linux-restricted-modules with apt? |
| 07:41.02 | hark | Tobias|: because it's not there? what exactly are you looking for? |
| 07:41.22 | Tobias| | Trying to get my confunded nvidia card working on Squeeze |
| 07:41.38 | hark | Tobias|: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 07:42.36 | Tobias| | I'll give that a go; tried the guide several times already |
| 07:42.39 | Tobias| | Thanks |
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| 07:43.05 | hark | urxvt is pretty good, it's even got 256 color support. plus stuff like clickable urls which i haven't managed to get in xterm |
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| 07:43.29 | drdo | even without that |
| 07:43.37 | drdo | rxvt is just superior performance-wise |
| 07:43.47 | drdo | i'm using TTF right now |
| 07:43.57 | drdo | and it's faster than xterm without TTF |
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| 07:44.42 | hark | gnome-terminal will be even faster then with your performance conditions |
| 07:44.51 | drdo | it is not |
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| 07:45.05 | drdo | and gnome-terminal sucks anyway |
| 07:45.14 | drdo | i hate bells and whistles on my terminal emulator |
| 07:46.00 | nevyn | hrm bells on terminals are awesome. |
| 07:46.17 | nevyn | I do prefer visual bells but bells are cool |
| 07:46.21 | drdo | rxvt-unicode is just perfect, does everything it's supposed to, nothing more, nothing less |
| 07:46.39 | drdo | and it's fast as hell |
| 07:46.53 | nevyn | I like konsole's "monitor for activity" and "monitor for inactivity" |
| 07:46.56 | drdo | now if only i could find a decent IM client |
| 07:47.36 | nevyn | so you can start a big package upgrade and have it notify you when it get's stuck waiting for input. |
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| 07:48.13 | drdo | i don't have a taskbar anyway |
| 07:48.20 | drdo | i use a pretty basic xmonad |
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| 07:57.47 | WormFood | is there an app in debian (sid) to view "pcb" files (printed circuit board layout) |
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| 07:59.25 | jmarsden | WormFood: Maybe gervb or kicad -- there are several PCB layoutr programs and viewers, I'm not sure which ones do which file formats |
| 07:59.35 | jmarsden | *gerbv |
| 07:59.51 | mhymn | WormFood: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:59.53 | WormFood | thanks jmarsden...I'll check them out |
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| 08:00.59 | WormFood | kicad won't do it (I already have that installed) |
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| 08:01.17 | WormFood | I don't see "gervb" with an apt-cache search |
| 08:01.28 | jmarsden | My typo: gerbv |
| 08:01.31 | jmarsden | Also try pcb |
| 08:01.35 | WormFood | gerbv |
| 08:01.42 | WormFood | yeah, I just figured that out :P |
| 08:01.51 | WormFood | yeah, I just searched for gerber |
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| 08:03.12 | WormFood | I have a gerbview program....supports a lot of different formats, but no "pcb" format....I wonder if this is just named wrong. |
| 08:04.13 | WormFood | first few bytes of the file say "PCB 4.0 Binary File"....probably some winblows specific software |
| 08:04.37 | WormFood | protel |
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| 08:25.48 | AlexC_ | morning, |
| 08:25.57 | AlexC_ | how can I find the changelog for linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64? Would like to see if it fixes a bug |
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| 08:28.46 | krionux | hi |
| 08:29.35 | lghtng | hi |
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| 08:31.17 | AlexC_ | the link on http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 for Changelog is broken (404), any other way of getting it? |
| 08:31.27 | shad0w | is there any way to find droid fonts? |
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| 08:35.38 | freebse | hi I installed debian unstable a few moments ago on a FSC Amilo Pro 2065v, every hour the notebook freezes, I can move the mouse but can not click on anything |
| 08:36.10 | freebse | maybe someone in here had this behaviour before and knows if this is related to X or a kernel problem |
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| 08:37.15 | freebse | looks to me as if the memory got overrun and bebian blocks access to the memory... kernel messages before hanging are related to memory faults |
| 08:37.44 | Duddle | hello! I'm installing debian on a new server and after it is setup, I want to globally change the IP adress (as a switch from the old to the new server). is there a better way to do this than searching all config files for the IP? |
| 08:37.45 | freebse | the same notebook running Windows Vista without a problem |
| 08:38.05 | freebse | I want to write a bug report, but don't know where to start |
| 08:38.41 | streuner_ | freebse: check out the logs |
| 08:39.05 | streuner_ | freebse: there should be a last entry before freeze... |
| 08:39.10 | Tobias| | "(18:25:45) dpkg: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution" |
| 08:39.28 | Tobias| | I don't believe I have any mentions of testing in my sources.list; anybody able to provide an example? |
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| 08:39.51 | elenril | freebse: do magic sysrq combos work? |
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| 08:41.37 | AlexC_ | never mind, I found it - all packages have changelog is /usr/share/doc/package-name |
| 08:41.45 | freebse | elenril: they do work, so it is not related to SYSRQ |
| 08:42.47 | freebse | I am writing from it now, but I can force it easily to hang... by starting some torrents and firefox... and there it is |
| 08:42.55 | elenril | might be a gaphics problem |
| 08:43.10 | freebse | I guess it is memory related |
| 08:43.26 | streuner_ | dont guess, check the logs |
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| 08:43.36 | freebse | because whenever I start programs that use much memory it does not work anymore |
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| 08:44.30 | freebse | streuner_: the logs do not really help much ... |
| 08:44.47 | streuner_ | why |
| 08:44.50 | Tobias| | Anybody got an example of how I can add a 'non-security testing line' for sid to my sources.list? |
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| 08:45.49 | wintix | Is there a way to issue a re-scan of the entire scsi bus? |
| 08:46.07 | freebse | I checked allready, the logs are ok no faults... system hangs... but logs say everything is allright |
| 08:46.43 | wintix | I'm having trouble with a lot of hard drives. Each boot there are 1-5 missing and each boot other disks are missing. |
| 08:46.47 | freebse | I am trying now with an rebuild kernel, so far it is allright |
| 08:47.29 | freebse | I did an upgrade from testing to unstable... I had another kernel problem with udev |
| 08:48.15 | freebse | looks like it is gone, I have 20 notebooks here to install debian on, all have the same prob with the upgrade |
| 08:48.25 | freebse | new installed are working allright |
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| 08:48.57 | streuner_ | freebse: in the logs isnt there a similar entry (every time it just stops at this event)? |
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| 08:50.50 | blast_hardcheese | Help! |
| 08:50.58 | blast_hardcheese | The latest version of tcl breaks password-gorilla, |
| 08:51.01 | freebse | streuner_: I can post the entry when restarting |
| 08:51.18 | blast_hardcheese | I need to log into my bank account and transfer funds, but I can't open password-gorilla |
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| 08:54.12 | Tobias| | Anybody got an example testing repo from sources.list? |
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| 08:57.26 | tuxfusion | I have a simple question , long time no debian here, we have php5 compiled by code on a box , can i "add" just php-curl package to that install without recompiling php5 . it is more a php module question , maybe someone knows ... thx |
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| 08:58.00 | freebse | Streuner_: it is gone after I installed an own kernel... |
| 08:58.21 | freebse | Streuner_: before that I was getting FATAL: Process 1 has been restarted too many times, waiting 5 minutes. |
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| 08:58.46 | freebse | Streuner_: when loging in at gdm and then the pc freezes |
| 08:59.05 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 08:59.40 | freebse | Streuner_: I don not know what causes this behavior. I had a message about udev and not fully supported hardware with the old kernel |
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| 09:00.12 | freebse | Streuner_: I can write down the exact message when installing the rest of the 20 notebooks |
| 09:01.19 | a-s | can I see the executable files from a package using apt ? |
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| 09:01.24 | freebse | Streuner_: apt-get hold back the kernel - a firmware for Intel 2200 WLAN is causing this... so I guess it is related to unstable and an old testing kernel, since the kernel does not get updated |
| 09:01.57 | freebse | Streuner_: I just hope it is gone |
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| 09:12.48 | Tobias| | Bah |
| 09:13.20 | Tobias| | I've followed the instructions dpkg threw back as to me about how to install nvidia drivers on squeeze. Now, apparently, nvidia-glx has become incompatible with xorg |
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| 09:15.24 | olspookishmagus | Tobias|: not |
| 09:15.31 | oasisfai | Doest debian squeeze provide xen-image ? |
| 09:15.43 | olspookishmagus | Tobias|: do you have the apropriate kernel headers installed? |
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| 09:17.14 | rvalles | !tellme apt-key |
| 09:17.25 | rvalles | !tellme apt key |
| 09:17.34 | rvalles | !tellme key |
| 09:17.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell rvalles about message the bot |
| 09:19.42 | Tobias| | olspookishmagus: Apparently so -- "linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 is already the newest version." |
| 09:21.41 | streuner_ | oasisfai: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:29.42 | oasisfai | streuner: I can't search any xen-image using synaptic. |
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| 09:32.51 | oasisfai | streuner: squeeze only proivdes xen-hypervisor, but no xen-image. |
| 09:33.17 | oasisfai | streuner: I don't know how to boot up domain 0 on squeeze. |
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| 09:34.29 | oasisfai | streuner: before upgrade squeeze from lenny, I can boot up domain 0 without any problem. |
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| 09:37.24 | Tobias| | Anybody know of a reason why Nvidia is incompatible with Xorg? |
| 09:37.38 | Tobias| | Been googling this for a while now; had the same issue on Lenny yesterday (now on Squeeze) |
| 09:37.40 | Tobias| | Nvidia-glx* |
| 09:37.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | its proprietary? |
| 09:38.03 | Tobias| | Ah; perhaps the right word is conflicts |
| 09:38.07 | Tobias| | My apologies |
| 09:39.31 | Tobias| | Essentially along the lines of http://pastebin.ws/v6h9t |
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| 09:41.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tobias|: are you running stable? if so the app is probably built for testings xorg |
| 09:43.06 | Tobias| | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm currently running squeeze? |
| 09:43.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tobias|: oh, in that case i don't know. |
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| 09:44.26 | Tobias| | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549869 |
| 09:44.28 | Tobias| | Aha |
| 09:44.33 | Tobias| | Think this may be relevant |
| 09:45.22 | hark | Tobias|: it's not. you're probably not following the factoid right |
| 09:45.50 | hark | Tobias|: pastebin your errors |
| 09:46.01 | Tobias| | From where? |
| 09:46.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | hark: 10 lines uo |
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| 09:47.33 | hark | Tobias|: didn't i tell you about the nvidia squeeze factoid? |
| 09:47.45 | hark | !nvidia squeeze |
| 09:47.45 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 09:47.50 | Tobias| | I used that verbatim, hark |
| 09:48.29 | hark | tobias-desktop:/home/tobias# apt-get install nvidia-glx -t testing |
| 09:48.37 | Tobias| | >.> |
| 09:48.42 | hark | where do you see this there ^^ |
| 09:49.05 | Tobias| | I did ask several times how to follow that step; if you recall |
| 09:49.20 | Tobias| | Given that it's incredibly ambiguous |
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| 09:51.03 | hark | if you can't figure it out from all that, you shouldn't be running testing or sid |
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| 09:51.51 | hark | themill created a pretty good factoid |
| 09:52.33 | Tobias| | !tum |
| 09:52.34 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 09:53.04 | Tobias| | Right; so assuming I have no "non-security testing line", that doesn't render that statement absoloutely useless to me? |
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| 09:53.54 | Tobias| | Or am I merely expected to be of such skill that I can off-handedly reproduce lines of ambiguously specified god-knows-what? |
| 09:54.44 | krionux | trouble with badsig gpg key on etch ? |
| 09:54.44 | hark | yes |
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| 09:55.25 | krionux | still ? |
| 09:55.37 | krionux | was quickly fix for lenny earlier |
| 09:55.51 | hark | !tell Tobias| about testing security |
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| 09:56.39 | hark | Tobias|: that's a security line for example. you just leave it as it is and change the other one |
| 09:56.54 | hark | !tell Tobias| about reference |
| 09:56.58 | BleSS | does anybody has created a boot disk with GPT partition? |
| 09:57.17 | Tobias| | Thankyou >.> |
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| 09:58.31 | rvalles | BleSS: "has anybody created..." |
| 09:58.39 | rvalles | (can't help about the actual question, sorry) |
| 09:59.16 | ONE_PATE | hez |
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| 09:59.27 | ONE_PATE | I'm trying to connect via sftp from my laptop (WindowsXP) to my desktop |
| 09:59.27 | ONE_PATE | (Debian5) using the pre-installed windows "SSH Secure File Transfer |
| 09:59.27 | ONE_PATE | Client". The ssh client asks for "password" and the connection fails |
| 09:59.27 | ONE_PATE | with the error: |
| 09:59.27 | ONE_PATE | "File transfer server could not be started or it exited unexpectedly. |
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| 10:01.04 | hark | krionux: maybe check with another mirror? |
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| 10:01.15 | ONE_PATE | cann someone heklp ,ee |
| 10:01.18 | ONE_PATE | http://pastie.org/686208 |
| 10:04.30 | hark | try using winscp or something, i can't tell much from this error |
| 10:04.37 | babilen | ONE_PATE: Do you have openssh-server installed and configured on the Debian host? |
| 10:04.39 | nsadmin | ONE_PATE seems liek you might not have ssh server running on the debian box |
| 10:05.11 | babilen | ONE_PATE: installed, configured *and* running that is ;-) |
| 10:05.13 | hark | ONE_PATE: can you telnet to the ssh port? |
| 10:07.02 | nsadmin | ONE_PATE: are you awake/alive? |
| 10:07.51 | nsadmin | that would be a no... |
| 10:07.53 | babilen | pokes ONE_PATE - No Jim, he's dead. |
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| 10:08.38 | Janni | Hi. |
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| 10:09.48 | Janni | Could it be that the stunnel4 package is rather buggy? After a reboot I got 6 stunnel instances running and can not connect to the one single tunnel that is specified in /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf |
| 10:10.36 | Janni | After I have done `/etc/init.d/stunnel4 restart` I can connect. |
| 10:10.41 | nsadmin | hmm, I don't know anything about stunnel... but if I did, I'd be curious about why you couldn't connect |
| 10:10.46 | Janni | But still 6 instances running. |
| 10:11.56 | Janni | I think (I'm not sure) whether I have to restart stunnel after some hours of uptime, or if it's only after going into standby and back on. |
| 10:12.33 | Janni | Anyway. Something is wrong, and I'm not sure whether it's Debian or stunnel itself. Anyway, if anybody knows something, I'd be glad if you let me know... |
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| 10:13.11 | Janni | (Because it blocks my exim from connecting to the outside (which it does over an SSL tunnel)) |
| 10:13.19 | nsadmin | Janni: so you have to restart it after you do what? |
| 10:14.07 | Janni | nsadmin: I'm not sure I understand your question. |
| 10:14.29 | Janni | It's like that: Sometimes I can't connect: "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection reset by peer" |
| 10:15.10 | Janni | Then I do `/etc/init.d/stunnel4 restart` (which takes a few seconds by the way, which I find strange) and then the connection succeeds. |
| 10:15.11 | ONE_PATE | hark: babilen nsadmin i can login via ssh |
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| 10:15.54 | Janni | nsadmin: Ah, now I understand your question (no idea why I didn't earlier) |
| 10:15.55 | nsadmin | you say something to the effect of "I have these stunnel instances... I can't connect to them... there are 6 running... but then when I restart the stunnel, I can connect" |
| 10:15.55 | nsadmin | is that much correct? |
| 10:16.03 | Janni | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:16.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:16.27 | Janni | nsadmin: I'm not 100% when it doesn't work anymore. It didn't after rebooting the system, for instance. |
| 10:16.43 | Janni | I'm rather positive, that it stops working after several hours of uptime. |
| 10:16.47 | nsadmin | right, that's my question |
| 10:16.51 | Janni | But I can't pin a certain event to it. |
| 10:17.02 | nsadmin | "how do you get to the state of not working" |
| 10:17.14 | Janni | Yeah, right. But as I said: I'm not sure. |
| 10:17.36 | nsadmin | so maybe stunnel is started too early, it needs something else started before it can start properly |
| 10:17.37 | Janni | Let me analyze for a bit (I thought this was a quite known problem) |
| 10:18.07 | nsadmin | (again, disclaimer... I don't know anything about stunnel itself...) |
| 10:18.35 | nsadmin | known problems in debian can be found on bts... a good-to-know fact :) |
| 10:18.56 | Janni | I don't think that's the problem, as it is started _very_ late within the boot-process. |
| 10:19.26 | nsadmin | ok, let's do a small experiment... is it working now? |
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| 10:19.39 | Janni | yep |
| 10:20.01 | Janni | is quite excited about the experiment |
| 10:20.04 | nsadmin | ok, what happens when you disconnect the client and reconnect again? |
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| 10:20.11 | Janni | nsadmin: works. |
| 10:20.21 | BleSS | is possible to boot a GPT disk on a BIOS computer? |
| 10:21.04 | nsadmin | ok, so restarting the stunnel, then everything works pretty much forever (or until next reboot maybe) |
| 10:21.40 | Janni | Surely not. |
| 10:22.04 | Janni | Including standby time, I have had times where the system wasn't rebooted for weeks. |
| 10:22.12 | Janni | And I had to restart stunnel several times. |
| 10:22.31 | nsadmin | ok, so there's definitely something else |
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| 10:22.55 | nsadmin | (yes... I know... mister obvious here...) |
| 10:23.34 | nsadmin | does anything related to the stunnel server log to some file on the server machine? |
| 10:23.51 | Janni | Wait, I think it might be a good idea to have a look at the stunnel4 logs. |
| 10:24.27 | nsadmin | cool :) glad you thought of it :) |
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| 10:24.37 | Janni | yeah :-) |
| 10:24.41 | zu22 | where can i find mirrors for my sources.list? |
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| 10:25.26 | nsadmin | www.debian.org/mirrors? |
| 10:25.32 | zu22 | cool thx |
| 10:25.40 | nsadmin | !mirrors? |
| 10:25.41 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 10:26.09 | zu22 | nice, ciao~ |
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| 10:26.43 | Janni | OK. It clearly seems to be problem, that my computer is not always online. stunnel4 seems to delay DNS lookups when started without an internet connection, and doesn't seem to do the DNS lookup later on (when internet is there) |
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| 10:27.43 | jogla | Was what the name of that lenny broadcom wifi driver |
| 10:28.02 | jogla | is b43-fwcutter the right thing? |
| 10:28.46 | amitz | sounds right |
| 10:28.57 | amitz | give or take a few phenomes |
| 10:29.34 | jogla | thanks |
| 10:29.53 | icebrain | hi. If the "checkroot.sh" script can't mount the rootfs as rw, will it stop the boot or continue with a ro rootfs? |
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| 10:33.39 | Janni | nsadmin: Thanks for the help. I think I got it. Setting some timeouts and retry options in stunnel4 should help. Bye |
| 10:36.14 | babilen | jogla: b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract the firmware from different source files, like from the driver for Windows/Mac. |
| 10:37.14 | babilen | jogla: The "driver" (ie module) you are looking for is "bcm43xx" |
| 10:38.14 | hark | bcm43xx is the old driver, b43 is the new one |
| 10:38.44 | babilen | has not used broadcom wifi for 3 years. |
| 10:39.05 | jogla | Hmm |
| 10:39.09 | hark | jogla: /msg dpkg b43 |
| 10:39.13 | babilen | jogla: Sorry for the outdated information. Use the b43 driver as hark pointed out |
| 10:39.36 | jogla | Hmm |
| 10:39.41 | jogla | the lamp doens't light up |
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| 10:40.20 | hark | !b43 |
| 10:40.20 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:40.46 | hark | ONE_PATE: can you sftp from any other machine? a linux one? |
| 10:41.22 | hark | ONE_PATE: or did you try winscp? |
| 10:42.53 | jogla | Hmm |
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| 10:43.20 | jogla | its not my wifi, it's a friend's wifi how is new to linux |
| 10:43.44 | jogla | he did modprobe b43, dmesg says: [ 270.403443] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ], but the light doesn't shine |
| 10:44.07 | hark | jogla: does /sbin/iwconfig show it? |
| 10:45.19 | jogla | Yes |
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| 10:46.18 | hark | then it's fine. get your friend to use network-manager to connect. led support may not be there maybe |
| 10:46.21 | py_ | hello |
| 10:46.33 | themill | jogla: many drivers don't do anything with the wireless led |
| 10:46.41 | jogla | ahh, ok |
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| 10:48.06 | py_ | One of the modules I use on my system need to be loaded with a parameter (reset=1). Currently, it is loaded automatically (with no parameter), and I have to rmmod /modprobe it by hand to get it to work. Where can I configure it to be loaded with the proper parameter automatically? |
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| 10:49.49 | hark | /etc/modprobe.d/ or you can also put it in /etc/modules |
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| 10:51.28 | babilen | py_: Add a line "options module_name the_options_you_want" to /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| 10:52.53 | wintix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.59 | wintix | what. |
| 10:53.14 | icebrain | I've installed Lenny in a USB flash disk, but now when I boot the startup scripts complain that / is readonly. I'm using a selfcompiled kernel w/o initrd, but it isn't initrd's responsibility to mount / as rw, afaik |
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| 10:54.00 | jogla | I have this line in fstab: |
| 10:54.02 | jogla | /dev/sda1 /mnt/other ntfs user 0 0 |
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| 10:54.19 | jogla | dr-x------ 1 root root 4096 2009-10-30 09:08 other |
| 10:54.34 | jogla | and my systems keeps assigned this priviledges to the other foldre |
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| 10:56.05 | py_ | babilen, hark: thanks for the suggestions |
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| 10:58.20 | metalfan | hi |
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| 11:01.04 | metalfan | i got sources for the psb kernel module in /usr/src/psb-kernel-source-4.41.2 but its not build after reboot, shouldnt dkms build it? |
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| 11:04.34 | babilen | !tell metalfan -about dkms |
| 11:04.55 | babilen | metalfan: Did you setup dkms as described in the wiki? |
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| 11:06.29 | metalfan | no |
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| 11:08.07 | babilen | metalfan: I guess you know what to do now?! |
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| 11:13.03 | mastro | is there a bot here I can ask "last seen" user? |
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| 11:19.37 | oliva | hi there anybody uses jfs? |
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| 11:37.00 | scoaz | Which stuff does actually handle the sound card ? |
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| 11:37.12 | scoaz | And how kmix works ? |
| 11:37.14 | jelly | scoaz: um, alsa drivers come with the kernel... you already have them. |
| 11:37.25 | scoaz | hum k. |
| 11:37.28 | jelly | scoaz: which Debian release? |
| 11:37.31 | scoaz | lenny. |
| 11:37.59 | jelly | scoaz: is there a /proc/asound/cards? |
| 11:39.04 | scoaz | Yep, evrything works fine. I was just wondering why an aptitude search alsa didn't showed anything. |
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| 11:45.27 | maxagaz | jelly, thanks |
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| 11:47.52 | do0ob | does debian have a website with the latest news/updates? somewhere things like 2.6.32 fixing security bugs would show up? |
| 11:48.04 | petemc | !dsa |
| 11:48.04 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ , or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers. |
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| 11:48.40 | jelly | scoaz: if that doesn't show a thing, you've either forgotten to run an "aptitude update" or your apt sources configuration is invalid |
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| 11:50.44 | Kaonashi | I am having difficulty upgrading to "unstable" |
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| 11:51.01 | Kaonashi | I changed the apt repositories and so on |
| 11:51.06 | Kaonashi | and it upgraded all the packages |
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| 11:51.32 | Kaonashi | but now it hangs on startup, upon trying to create a 1.5gb swap file |
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| 11:52.36 | EduardeCalibal | Kaonashi, maybe the disks have another path now... |
| 11:52.42 | Kaonashi | D: |
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| 11:52.48 | EduardeCalibal | Here happen this any time... |
| 11:52.53 | do0ob | petemc: thanks, thats what i was looking for |
| 11:53.00 | Kaonashi | it seems you are right |
| 11:53.09 | Kaonashi | what do? |
| 11:53.11 | P_Kable | Hello; just installed lenny, but auto-completion isnt working |
| 11:53.15 | P_Kable | why ? |
| 11:53.35 | EduardeCalibal | Change options in boot (grub) for the correct path. |
| 11:53.48 | EduardeCalibal | I never see it P_Kable. |
| 11:53.53 | Kaonashi | ahk |
| 11:54.04 | P_Kable | EduardeCalibal, see what ? |
| 11:54.19 | EduardeCalibal | lost auto-completion. |
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| 11:54.38 | EduardeCalibal | Mauybe you lost a program, I dont know who have this function. |
| 11:54.41 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe |
| 11:54.44 | P_Kable | EduardeCalibal, when I type aptitude ins + tab nothing ...* |
| 11:55.12 | EduardeCalibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.14 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 11:55.18 | Kaonashi | it seems that grub is booting from hda1, which is correct |
| 11:55.26 | Kaonashi | but it is trying to create a swap on /dev/hda5 |
| 11:55.30 | Kaonashi | :| |
| 11:56.42 | babilen | P_Kable: check that you have bash-completion installed and/or if you enabled it in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 11:57.01 | P_Kable | babilen, its installed but I dont know about bashrc |
| 11:57.13 | EduardeCalibal | Yes, bash-completion |
| 11:57.16 | P_Kable | how to enable in bashrc babilen ? |
| 11:57.35 | EduardeCalibal | Try uninstall, clear and reinstall bash-completion. |
| 11:57.56 | P_Kable | ok |
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| 11:57.57 | EduardeCalibal | Kaonashi, check any disk and see if all is correct. |
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| 11:59.33 | P_Kable | EduardeCalibal, purge and resintalled no luck |
| 11:59.56 | P_Kable | what line should I add in bashrc ? |
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| 12:00.05 | babilen | P_Kable: Edit /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc and uncomment http://paste.debian.net/50878/ |
| 12:00.11 | Kaonashi | EduardeCalibal: I can't boot.... |
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| 12:00.31 | Kaonashi | as I said, it hangs on trying to make that swap file |
| 12:00.45 | Kaonashi | I could boot into a live distro, but what would I do from there? |
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| 12:01.09 | EduardeCalibal | Make a report and post a link. |
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| 12:01.22 | P_Kable | babilen, thx a bunch it works |
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| 12:02.05 | babilen | P_Kable: No problem. Hope you enjoy it. |
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| 12:09.15 | Kaonashi | I think I'll just disable swap for now |
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| 12:14.58 | avash | !hello |
| 12:14.58 | dpkg | Hi, avash! |
| 12:15.23 | avash | ]!hi dpkg |
| 12:15.28 | avash | !hi dpkg |
| 12:16.27 | avash | !how are you? |
| 12:16.27 | dpkg | mas o menos, avash |
| 12:16.40 | avash | !yeah mas o menos! |
| 12:17.31 | amee2k | is there a way to get a more verbose error message out of tcpdump than "syntax error in filter expression" ? |
| 12:18.23 | justin | amee2k: your filter expression has a syntax error |
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| 12:19.10 | amee2k | well, i figured that. a hint as to where in my expression, or what kind of syntax error would be really helpful however |
| 12:19.39 | justin | start with a simpler expression and add things until you get the error |
| 12:20.12 | Kaonashi | hmm |
| 12:20.24 | Kaonashi | seems it wanted to run fsck and make the swap file at the same time... |
| 12:20.53 | amee2k | " tcp && (false || (host 192.168.42.90 && port 55451 && host 70.32.35.173 && port 22))" << how much more simple than this? |
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| 12:21.51 | aprendiz001 | hi |
| 12:22.17 | az__ | hi, last time when i use compiz all crash, because of it this time i wanna ask, is possible to backup config and when i will have crash back to old config? |
| 12:22.57 | amee2k | hm... replacing the false with "(1==0)" seems to work. having at least something like "unknown keyword 'false'" in the error would be helpful tho... |
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| 12:28.53 | Kaonashi | az__: config for what? |
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| 12:30.18 | nkuttler | hm, why would a telnet on port 25 fail "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host" if i can telnet to port 80 just fine? |
| 12:30.21 | babilen | az__: And yes, that is posible. Have a look at eg rsnapshot |
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| 12:31.37 | petemc | nkuttler: firewall? |
| 12:32.06 | nkuttler | petemc: yeah, my guess too. i wonder wth my hoster is doing.. |
| 12:32.34 | petemc | its common to block port 25, usually a good thing |
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| 12:33.02 | nkuttler | not after the machine has been used as a mailserver for years though |
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| 12:33.38 | petemc | aye not in all circumstances |
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| 12:35.03 | az__ | i install compiz |
| 12:35.06 | az__ | by apt-get install compiz |
| 12:35.08 | az__ | how run it ? |
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| 12:36.43 | simonrvn | compiz is a window manager, so you run it like one. it replaces the one you have running. compiz --replace & in a term in x usually does it. |
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| 12:37.17 | babilen | !tell az__ -about compiz |
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| 12:37.45 | m314 | I'm looking for a way to make caps lock another ctrl key, and be able to write the danish characters æ, ø and å with AltGr+ ;'[ respectively, anyone know how I could accomplish this? |
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| 12:39.27 | simonrvn | Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,altwin:meta_win,menu:compose" |
| 12:40.18 | az__ | i have compiz windows in top of screen how make it normal? because i cant move it :( |
| 12:40.22 | amgarching | Hi, I get this upond "ldd": libgcc_s.so.1 => not found, though there is /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 installed. What's wrong? |
| 12:40.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.48 | amgarching | ldconfig -p has it: libgcc_s.so.1 (libc6,x86-64) => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1, Does it mean "ldd" is looking for a different (32bit) version of libgcc_s.so ? |
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| 12:47.08 | sunmao | hi all |
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| 12:49.25 | sunmao | I'have installed an Ubuntu 9.10 ( karmic koala ) with grub2 but it isn't recognize my debian-xen kernel so i've reinstalled the debian and i override the mbr with grub 0.97 now i can boot the xen kernel but i cant see the ubuntu 9.10 cause 0.97 not recognize ext4 partition I've tired chainloading but i colud not can anyone help? |
| 12:50.02 | scream_ | how does this relate to #debian channel? |
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| 12:51.04 | sunmao | i ve installed debian? |
| 12:51.19 | sunmao | on the otherhand where else can i go? |
| 12:51.59 | scream_ | ah, i thought you have installed debian xen kernel on ubuntu |
| 12:52.03 | scream_ | sorry ;) |
| 12:52.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | sunmao: research 'grub daisychaining" |
| 12:52.24 | sunmao | ok |
| 12:52.30 | sunmao | http://pastebin.com/m17a68bde |
| 12:52.38 | sunmao | the two way that i ve tried |
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| 12:54.42 | sunmao | Kamping_Kaiser i googled about six or seven hour.. :( |
| 12:54.43 | sunmao | :P |
| 12:54.48 | sunmao | before i came here |
| 12:55.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | fwiw, iirc grub2 is in debian stable too, so you could try installing that on your debian host |
| 12:55.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | it may not do ext4 though, being pre-ext4 release |
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| 12:56.16 | babilen | Can somebody point me to some documentation that explains the dependency boot related headers in init scripts? |
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| 13:02.49 | sunmao | Kamping_Kaiser grub2 and xen kernel cant work together |
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| 13:03.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | sunmao: oh, not at all? :( bugger |
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| 13:05.37 | Titan8990 | sunmao, really? |
| 13:05.49 | craigevil | sure it can, http://daniel.mateos.cc/articles/2008/02/07/xen-with-grub2-on-debian-etch a bit old but it explains it pretty well |
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| 13:13.11 | amgarching | is "gcc-multilib" described by "On architectures with multilib support, the package contains dependencies for the non-default multilib architecture(s)." meant to support 32-bit executables on x86_64? |
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| 13:14.46 | amgarching | yes it is |
| 13:15.13 | amgarching | thank you, amgarching :) |
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| 13:25.35 | WormFood | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/36901/discuss nice! |
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| 13:27.20 | Titan8990 | WormFood, least amount of details I have ever seen in a vuln disclosure? |
| 13:27.52 | Titan8990 | WormFood, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability/ |
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| 13:29.29 | WormFood | I've seen less |
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| 13:29.45 | WormFood | but I don't quite understand how the examples are supposed to do anything more than a DoS |
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| 13:30.06 | sunmao | i found a new version of grub |
| 13:30.06 | sunmao | http://code.google.com/p/grub4ext4/downloads/detail?name=grub-0.97-141.1.tar.gz&can=2&q=label%3AFeatured |
| 13:30.13 | sunmao | but how can i install this |
| 13:30.25 | sunmao | i cant found how to nowhere |
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| 13:31.26 | Titan8990 | sunmao, you won't find much support for manual installation of non-debian software here |
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| 13:31.52 | sunmao | (Y) |
| 13:32.41 | amee2k | yeah, asking in a grub related place may be a better idea |
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| 13:33.12 | gdv | i dont have a known_hosts file. i only use dsa keys. is that normal? |
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| 13:33.54 | amee2k | not really. i use RSA keys and/or interactive/password authentication and i have one |
| 13:34.10 | d1b | hi um when i do apt-get update it works fine and takes it from the correct location, however if i do apt-get install foo i get it from the wrong ip. i even hard set the ips in /etc/apt/sources.lst ... any ideas |
| 13:34.13 | amee2k | never seen a system that doesn't(assuming ssh has been used actively) |
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| 13:35.41 | Titan8990 | d1b, pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:35.46 | amee2k | gdv: maybe the location of that file has been changed in the configuration? |
| 13:36.07 | d1b | Titan8990: it now works... |
| 13:36.13 | d1b | my isp is being weird.... |
| 13:36.40 | d1b | Titan8990: i even set it to use an ip and it was trying to take from an ip +1 up from what it should be |
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| 13:42.08 | d1b | Titan8990: my isp appears to be screwing with me :) |
| 13:42.14 | d1b | yay |
| 13:43.47 | mastro | Titan8990, hy titan.. do you remember my issue with SSH RSA key keep changing? |
| 13:43.47 | amee2k | i don't think he can render any assistance unless you do what he asked for... |
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| 13:45.37 | Titan8990 | mastro, yep, figure it out? |
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| 13:48.01 | mastro | Titan8990, yep... the RSA changed again this morning and I guessed the root password :D and guess what? i logged to a different server... there was 2 servers inside my company with the same IP.. mine was build when the other one was down (and there was no documentation on it's existant). Still don't understand how they could have been both up and running and I could access my server sometimes.. but that was the issue xD |
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| 13:48.41 | d1b | mastro: same dns? |
| 13:48.48 | d1b | (2 A records) ? |
| 13:48.55 | mastro | d1b, no.. no DNS involved... only static IP |
| 13:49.12 | mastro | mine was a debian server (is) and the other one a red hat server |
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| 13:50.50 | Titan8990 | mastro, good that you figured it out |
| 13:50.56 | Titan8990 | mastro, was a pretty odd problem |
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| 13:58.49 | mastro | Titan8990, yes it was.... still can't figure out how I could have worked with that server 2 days while (at the same time) my collegue was working on the other from inside my company |
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| 13:59.33 | Titan8990 | mastro, it was making ARP replies before the other server maybe? |
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| 14:05.24 | kc | hi, is anyone familiar with the syntax that the dig command gives you? |
| 14:05.35 | mastro | Titan8990, yes I thought the same... but if this is the case: how was my collegue working with it? |
| 14:05.40 | petemc | kc: lots of people |
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| 14:05.59 | mastro | Titan8990, may be the routing was different for me and for him |
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| 14:06.09 | Titan8990 | mastro, that would make since |
| 14:06.28 | Titan8990 | mastro, because one router would have serverA in it's arp cache and the other serverB |
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| 14:08.01 | kc | If I do: dig domain.tld mx ; in the Answer section, I get multiple entries for mx records by priority; It looks like this: domain.tld <time> IN MX <priority integer> <mx server address>. What is <time> respresenting? |
| 14:08.15 | mastro | Titan8990, and sometimes I couldn't reach it because the router updated it's table and token the other server.. that could explain my periodical issue yesterday! anyway thanks for your support :) |
| 14:08.54 | gdv | what's a dsc file? |
| 14:08.57 | gdv | .dsc |
| 14:09.11 | mastro | gdv, it stand for "description" |
| 14:09.14 | petemc | kc: the refresh or retry |
| 14:09.27 | kc | petemc, can you elaborate? |
| 14:10.01 | petemc | kc: its the retry, as in how long you can hold an entry in a cache before checking with the primary to see if its changed |
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| 14:10.32 | Edgardoweb | hi |
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| 14:11.23 | kc | petemc, so a value like 3H means that it will hold the entry I got for my mx lookup for 3 hours before doing a recursive again |
| 14:11.51 | gdv | how can i find how a deb package was ./configured? |
| 14:11.51 | petemc | kc: yes, i believe its in seconds |
| 14:12.00 | gdv | the exact options |
| 14:12.09 | kc | petemc, thank you |
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| 14:12.40 | petemc | !tell gdv about debian/rules |
| 14:13.16 | gdv | petemc: that's in the deb file? |
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| 14:13.28 | petemc | gdv: the source of, yes |
| 14:13.32 | matt7676 | Has somebody experienced this problem with iperf: after killing iperf client, the traffic is still high? Only killing the iperf server stops the actual data transfer process. |
| 14:13.52 | kc | petemc, do you happen to know how I can check as to whether the mx records for a certain domain were changed recently? |
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| 14:14.33 | kc | petemc, is that an option that dig supports? I can look it up myself. |
| 14:14.37 | petemc | kc: theres no definitive way afaik, you would have to rely on someone not updating their records |
| 14:14.54 | kc | petemc, thank you |
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| 14:16.57 | gdv | petemc: im confused. which file is it? "MANIFEST" ? |
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| 14:18.39 | gdv | anyone? |
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| 14:19.50 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:20.36 | DexterF | build problem making truecrypt-6.3-debs: running dpkg-buildpackage aborts like this: http://pastebin.ca/1659545 |
| 14:21.41 | DexterF | I followed these instructions: http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=102767&start=15 which worked ok on 6.2a, obviously I'm missing somethign but I don't know what |
| 14:21.43 | gdv | where do i see the original ./configure line with which a deb pkg was compiled? |
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| 14:23.47 | abrotman | !tell gdv about debian/rules |
| 14:24.12 | gdv | yes i downloaded the source |
| 14:24.19 | gdv | and i cant find that file included |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | gdv: how did you download the source ? |
| 14:24.47 | gdv | abrotman: from the pkg's page in debian.org |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | wrong |
| 14:24.53 | gdv | *at |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | !tell gdv about source |
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| 14:25.50 | craigevil | DexterF: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46266&hilit=Truecrypt |
| 14:25.51 | abrotman | !tell gdv about sources |
| 14:25.52 | abrotman | duh |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | no .. the first was right |
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| 14:27.42 | gdv | oh thanks |
| 14:27.44 | DexterF | craigevil: precompiled debs are no option |
| 14:27.50 | gdv | abrotman: and which is the default |
| 14:27.58 | gdv | i see a lot of options |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | put it in a pastebin |
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| 14:32.48 | gdv | abrotman: if i want to build a pkg from source for my pc, is it compatible that i dont use these debian patches and options? |
| 14:33.09 | gdv | like is the rules file and the options only for debs? |
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| 14:35.23 | abrotman | gdv: what is your PC ? |
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| 14:36.19 | gdv | abrotman: debian server |
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| 14:36.21 | gdv | stable |
| 14:36.32 | abrotman | so why are you building it instead of just installing it ? |
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| 14:38.27 | gdv | abrotman: i need to have a different version of this pkg, with different ./configure options |
| 14:38.33 | gdv | s/need/want/ |
| 14:38.48 | gdv | abrotman: what's the recommended way of doing it? |
| 14:39.00 | gdv | don't want to build the deb, i just want the binary |
| 14:39.15 | valdyn | gdv: which package? |
| 14:39.29 | gdv | valdyn: bash |
| 14:39.36 | valdyn | oh geez |
| 14:40.13 | Titan8990 | gdv, curious, how are you going to build it differently? |
| 14:40.26 | abrotman | now with extra monkeys! |
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| 14:40.31 | gdv | lol |
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| 14:40.44 | valdyn | gdv: thats a bad idea, you are obviously not ( yet ) knowledgable enough to safely replace key components of debian |
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| 14:41.20 | gdv | i just dled the src and i was thinking doing manually ./configure [options], but i thought i might ask if building all the debian patches in it is the recommended way |
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| 14:41.43 | gdv | valdyn: i will not make a replacement. i will have it as experimental |
| 14:41.45 | gdv | second |
| 14:41.55 | gdv | want to try some things with it |
| 14:42.11 | valdyn | gdv: alright, then just ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 14:42.14 | abrotman | gdv: did you answer Titan8990? |
| 14:42.29 | gdv | valdyn: but i miss all the debian specific patches, no? |
| 14:42.50 | valdyn | gdv: i very much doubt that debian heavily patches bash |
| 14:42.53 | gdv | Titan8990: cd bash_src; ./configure [myoptionshere] ; make |
| 14:42.54 | abrotman | this is going to go poorly ... |
| 14:43.09 | valdyn | gdv: if at all.. |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | gdv: he's asking you what options you're going to add that aren't already there |
| 14:43.13 | Titan8990 | gdv, my question was more like.... what is your [myoptionshere]? |
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| 14:44.16 | sweetandy | I'm getting notices from apt about autoremoving some 400 megs of programs and data... what should I do about this? I'm really quite afraid of doing it, I might lose important things, or is apt smarter than that? |
| 14:44.39 | valdyn | sweetandy: apt is dumber |
| 14:44.39 | Titan8990 | sweetandy, pastebin what it says |
| 14:44.57 | gdv | Titan8990: ./configure --enable-minimal-config --enable-restricted --disable-disabled-builtins --disable-xpg-echo-default --enable-static-link |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | disable-disabled ? |
| 14:45.23 | valdyn | now wtf is the point of creating a minimal bash like that? |
| 14:45.36 | mesaGL | i didn't not hate that either |
| 14:45.47 | fredl | hey guys. does the current stable ulogd support nflog targets? |
| 14:45.48 | valdyn | gdv: if you want a lean small shell, then bash is just the wrong choice |
| 14:45.59 | sweetandy | man pastebin has so many popups!! http://pastebin.org/51416 |
| 14:46.02 | gdv | valdyn: no i dont want that |
| 14:46.09 | fredl | wait... |
| 14:46.36 | Titan8990 | sweetandy, that site is NOT really legit |
| 14:46.45 | sweetandy | suggested replacement? |
| 14:46.46 | Titan8990 | sweetandy, you were looking for pastebin.com, not pastebin.org |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | sweetandy: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:46.57 | valdyn | sweetandy: read the documentation, the parts about auto-installed packages and the unmarkauto command |
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| 14:47.01 | Titan8990 | pastebin.org showed up about 6 weeks ago with lots of bad advertisements |
| 14:47.32 | fredl | does the current Lenny ulogd support nflog targets? |
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| 14:48.44 | valdyn | Titan8990: uh? not a single ad in that paste? or is my adblocker getting all? |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | sweetandy: aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core .. for starters |
| 14:49.02 | abrotman | valdyn: if you have JS and popups off, you won't notice |
| 14:49.13 | valdyn | i dont have either off |
| 14:49.17 | valdyn | i just have privoxy on |
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| 14:49.53 | sweetandy | abrotman: That command wants to remove the packages. |
| 14:50.01 | Titan8990 | valdyn, I have seen the "rogue" ads on the sites.... the ones that look like windows and tell you your machine is infected |
| 14:50.12 | valdyn | Titan8990: I see |
| 14:50.20 | sweetandy | aptitude documentation, would that be in /usr/share/doc/aptitude? I can't find much there. |
| 14:50.24 | abrotman | sweetandy: you probably have to unmarkauto a few others |
| 14:50.35 | sweetandy | abrotman: All right, I'll research this some more. |
| 14:50.35 | valdyn | i dont really know any website without privoxy.. |
| 14:50.36 | sweetandy | thanks |
| 14:50.49 | valdyn | ( maybe gogle.com is cluttered now.. |
| 14:50.55 | petemc | !tell sweetandy about aptitude docs |
| 14:50.55 | valdyn | *oo* |
| 14:50.58 | hark | sweetandy: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 14:51.09 | fredl | does the current Lenny ulogd support nflog targets and do syslog emulation by default? |
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| 14:52.34 | sweetandy | reading |
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| 14:53.34 | fredl | c'mon Lenny supporters you can do it :) |
| 14:53.42 | fredl | has faith |
| 14:54.01 | cesco | Hi, I need help with DAT72 tape drive |
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| 14:54.42 | cesco | Anyboty with experience? |
| 14:55.05 | abrotman | just ask |
| 14:56.25 | cesco | ok, I'm trying to backup with a DAT72 usb drive. Use command: tar -czvvf /Dev/nst0 source_dir/. It works well with one file or small dirs. Very slow with big dirs and the drive makes lot of noise. |
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| 14:59.25 | abrotman | tried with one large file? i mean it is USB ... |
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| 15:01.13 | cesco | should I make the TAR in the harddisk and afterward save it to the tape? |
| 15:02.09 | cesco | With one small file saves at 3MB/s wich is the correct speed, but with a directory with many files it takes for ever... 4 times slower. |
| 15:02.31 | cesco | What's the reason why one big file should be better? |
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| 15:02.57 | abrotman | do you know which version of USB it's using? |
| 15:03.24 | cesco | I know that the hardware is 2.0 but I'm not shure if the software is using it? |
| 15:03.29 | cesco | how can I tell? |
| 15:04.12 | fredl | wow, no answer to a straightforward question about Lenny on either the official or the unofficial Debian support channel... |
| 15:05.13 | mesaGL | fredl: ulogd you say. what is that then ? |
| 15:05.31 | Pnux | hey, im doing some reseach and i was wondering if it was posible to set the /home, /var, /usr, /etc and some other folders needed over a network/intranet. If that isnt clear enough, it would be something like using those directories on a different partition with the installer, but instead of using another partition in the same hd, use a complete different system using debian as well. |
| 15:05.46 | DexterF | truecrypt built.. started from scratch this time... must have forgotten some measly little change,, |
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| 15:07.27 | abrotman | mesaGL: you took the bait! |
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| 15:08.36 | hehu | Pnux, you'll need to mount it over nfs or samba. the installer doesn't lend for things like this, so just do a regular install and adjust fstab accordingly |
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| 15:09.15 | Pnux | hehu: i see, thanks for the answer.. thats all i needed to know |
| 15:09.19 | hehu | Pnux, and /etc will not be possible unless you work a unionfs solution |
| 15:09.36 | Pnux | hehu: fogured, no idea why i mention /etc |
| 15:09.41 | Pnux | *figured |
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| 15:11.35 | mesaGL | abrotman: perhaps i was too subtle. i was really saying : "i don't use ulogd. so i'm not about to give an opinion or guess. but if you stick around, maybe someone can answer you later" |
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| 15:13.51 | dob1 | hi, i have my debian installation installed on ad ide hdd, now i want to replace this ide hdd with a sata one and transfer all the debian system (not reinstalling) to this new hdd, any advice to do this? |
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| 15:14.45 | dob1 | i see that there is a howto about hdd upgrade, to transfer the system |
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| 15:14.53 | dob1 | a bit outdated |
| 15:15.14 | mattgirv | dob1: Perhaps take a look at Clonezilla? |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | dob1: the one thing will be the device rename |
| 15:15.40 | Titan8990 | dob1, should be as simple as rsync one disc to the other, edit /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst for new device names |
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| 15:16.24 | dob1 | i think i am the only one that still has lilo as bootloader, but i think is the same for doing this |
| 15:17.27 | abrotman | dob1: really? even grub1 has been deprecated upstream i believe |
| 15:18.00 | hehu | dob1, clonezilla, etc. are slow. copy --preserve=all and rsync for /boot |
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| 15:18.29 | hehu | oh between hdds |
| 15:18.30 | hehu | nvm |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | not really sure he was concerned about speed .. it was an IDE HDD though |
| 15:18.38 | dob1 | abrotman: yes i use it, i had no problem with lilo and for something that is automatic like the boot i never found reason to change |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | erm .. after all |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | dob1: i've had lilo sting me a few times (nothing i couldn't solve, but still) .. i think i'm grub2 almost everywhere now |
| 15:19.22 | abrotman | and a milo |
| 15:19.29 | mattgirv | I actually couldn't get grub2 working with my mapped Windoze partition :( |
| 15:19.30 | dob1 | maybe this will be a time to change then |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | is it milo? |
| 15:20.02 | abrotman | oh .. aboot .. jeez |
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| 15:20.39 | dob1 | one last question, i was thinking at kernel modules, now i just have ide drivers and my kernel is a custom one, i need to add sata modules i think before doing this |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | milo isn't even in the repos anymore |
| 15:20.48 | Debian-user | Is anyone here ? |
| 15:21.01 | Pnux | does anybody know if the deving of Squeeze is gonna freeze any time soon? |
| 15:21.23 | Pnux | Debian-user: there are 886 other people here beside you |
| 15:21.30 | abrotman | dob1: you should have it use the Debian kernel until you get it booted |
| 15:21.32 | Debian-user | No gnome startup sound. |
| 15:21.38 | abrotman | Pnux: i think the current estimate is March |
| 15:22.10 | Pnux | abrotman: and do you know how much time between the freeze and the release? |
| 15:22.18 | Debian-user | kde startup sound is ok, but there is no gnome startup sound , is there any startup sound for gnome , it's debian lenny. |
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| 15:22.53 | mattgirv | Debian-user: I'm presuming you have a sound set on boot in the Gnome Sound options? |
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| 15:24.40 | abrotman | Pnux: no one would know .. it depends how quickly bugs are fixed, etc |
| 15:25.26 | Pnux | abrotman: i see, thanks |
| 15:25.29 | mattgirv | Debian-user: Well here you go, http://people.equars.com/2009/5/5/freedesktop-sound-theme |
| 15:25.42 | mattgirv | Never even noticed personally, I hate the GNOME sounds :( |
| 15:26.06 | Pnux | why stop at sounds? |
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| 15:26.26 | mattgirv | you mean in terms of hating? |
| 15:26.34 | Pnux | yup |
| 15:26.46 | mattgirv | heh, well I like KDE 3.5.... 4 isn't my cup of tea |
| 15:27.05 | mattgirv | And apart from that... theres not much unique in the way of DE's |
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| 15:28.30 | Pnux | i find KDE better than gnome, but after all, its just a matter of taste.. |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 15:28.49 | abrotman | libesd-alsa0 |
| 15:28.50 | Pnux | indeed, anyways |
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| 15:34.12 | P_Kable_ | hello, I forgot the command to look inside files, can someone remind me please ? |
| 15:34.27 | Pnux | look inside? |
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| 15:34.42 | valdyn | P_Kable_: cat ? |
| 15:35.04 | P_Kable_ | cat what |
| 15:35.12 | valdyn | !cat |
| 15:35.12 | dpkg | methinks cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> <less> <dog> |
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| 15:35.22 | P_Kable_ | how cat will look inside files |
| 15:35.26 | mattgirv | or less maybe? |
| 15:35.40 | mattgirv | for larger files anyway |
| 15:35.42 | P_Kable_ | I want to look for alfresco in files |
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| 15:35.51 | valdyn | P_Kable_: grep ? |
| 15:35.55 | P_Kable_ | forgot the command |
| 15:36.04 | Pnux | so you need to searcn for a string inside text files |
| 15:36.12 | Pnux | *search |
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| 15:36.42 | P_Kable_ | grep I need to search in all the files of the rep for the word alfresco |
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| 15:36.53 | P_Kable_ | I know it's weird |
| 15:36.54 | valdyn | another metaphor that P_Kable_ does not understand ( string ) |
| 15:37.13 | valdyn | P_Kable_: its not weird and the program is "grep" |
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| 15:38.07 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. lvm question: is it possible to restore a snapshot to the original lvm device? i'd only like to copy the delta-bits over. |
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| 15:38.32 | valdyn | pluesch0r: what snapshot? |
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| 15:38.39 | pluesch0r | valdyn: an lvm snapshot. |
| 15:38.55 | pluesch0r | s/an/a/ |
| 15:38.55 | fredl | mesaGL: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ulogd |
| 15:39.40 | valdyn | pluesch0r: an lvm snapshot of a live filesystem? |
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| 15:39.40 | valdyn | pluesch0r: thats like evil |
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| 15:39.45 | pluesch0r | valdyn: who said that? |
| 15:39.54 | pluesch0r | valdyn: the filesystem was not being accessed when i took the snapshot. |
| 15:39.56 | valdyn | pluesch0r: no one, im asking |
| 15:40.12 | jelly | let's assume the user isn't completely stupid and it's not a live/mounted device |
| 15:40.12 | mesaGL | fredl: thanks buddy, and i appreciate your concern for my continued developmental process, but i already looked it up |
| 15:40.17 | valdyn | pluesch0r: i dont know how to restore the diff |
| 15:40.20 | pluesch0r | now, changes were made on the source filesystem, i want to revert them. using the delta that's present in the snapshot. |
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| 15:40.42 | pluesch0r | naturally, i don't want to dd 500GB over, just 'cause 0.1% of the fs were changed. |
| 15:41.02 | jelly | pluesch0r: #lvm will possibly know |
| 15:41.10 | valdyn | pluesch0r: youll have to read 500G twice already in order to find the delta? |
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| 15:41.35 | valdyn | pluesch0r: theres no much gain if thats the case |
| 15:41.41 | pluesch0r | valdyn: that's just wrong. |
| 15:41.46 | pluesch0r | jelly: thanks. |
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| 15:41.55 | pluesch0r | valdyn: lvm snapshots user copy-on-write to track changes. |
| 15:42.09 | pluesch0r | so, the information has to be somewhere inside the lvm internals. anyways. gonna take this question somewhere else. thanks. |
| 15:42.31 | jelly | and what does COW do? |
| 15:42.33 | jelly | !moo |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:42.43 | cure` | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) up: 1day 22hrs 34mins 28secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz (x64) at 2660MHz (3% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ 512MB res: 1600x1200 32bit 85Hz ram: 1641/8191.1MB (20.04%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 20.29GB/50GB D:\ 74.75GB/415.76GB E:\ 7.27GB/415.76GB F:\ 187.01GB/415.76GB G:\ 18.31GB/50GB net: Realtek RTL8169_8110 Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC [NDIS 6.20] - 1000MB/s 0B In 0B Out |
| 15:42.59 | valdyn | he thinks his lvm volume has a journal over all blocks |
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| 15:43.07 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:43.08 | valdyn | !cow |
| 15:43.08 | dpkg | cow is, like, a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo, or see <cow theory> |
| 15:43.13 | jelly | valdyn: his lvm snapshot. And yes, yes it does. |
| 15:43.29 | jelly | that's the whole point of snapshots really |
| 15:43.29 | simonrvn | !kill cure` |
| 15:43.29 | dpkg | tears a hole in cure`'s head with a rusty dagger |
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| 15:44.30 | jelly | cure`: you'll want to disable that !moo thing in this channel |
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| 15:45.51 | simonrvn | !moo |
| 15:45.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:45.55 | cure` | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) up: 1day 22hrs 37mins 47secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz (x64) at 2660MHz (60% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ 512MB res: 1600x1200 32bit 85Hz ram: 1775/8191.1MB (21.67%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 20.3GB/50GB D:\ 74.75GB/415.76GB E:\ 7.27GB/415.76GB F:\ 187.01GB/415.76GB G:\ 18.31GB/50GB net: Realtek RTL8169_8110 Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC [NDIS 6.20] - 1000MB/s 0B In 0B Out |
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| 15:46.19 | simonrvn | !moo |
| 15:46.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:46.22 | cure` | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) up: 1day 22hrs 38mins 15secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz (x64) at 2660MHz (41% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ 512MB res: 1600x1200 32bit 85Hz ram: 1773/8191.1MB (21.65%) [||--------] hdd: C:\ 20.3GB/50GB D:\ 74.75GB/415.76GB E:\ 7.27GB/415.76GB F:\ 187.01GB/415.76GB G:\ 18.31GB/50GB net: Realtek RTL8169_8110 Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC [NDIS 6.20] - 1000MB/s 0B In 0B Out |
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| 15:46.44 | cusco | hi |
| 15:46.56 | themill | cure`: /msg one of the ops when you've fixed your client. |
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| 15:48.28 | mattgirv | themill: Looks like a classic case of client abuse to me :p |
| 15:48.45 | pom | What is the point of this: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
| 15:48.54 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 15:48.55 | themill | pom: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 15:49.23 | BlueG | How do you install xorg with only the necessary drivers? |
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| 15:50.32 | pom | themill: Thanks, but I do this on every server. Why is it set so low? |
| 15:50.51 | maligor | BlueG, Do you realize they only take 6mb, assuming you mean display drivers?-) |
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| 15:51.12 | themill | pom: you shouldn't need to if you only have stable and stable-security in your sources.list (which is all that is recommended to have). |
| 15:51.54 | magyar_ | ping asg |
| 15:51.56 | maligor | BlueG, but they're divided into xserver-xorg-video-xxxx, xserver-xorg-input-xxxx |
| 15:52.23 | BlueG | maligor: hmm, I suppose I mean the input drivers too, but I did think they were rather larger than that |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | magyar_: can't you ask everyone ? |
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| 15:52.41 | magyar_ | hi. can i run a virtualbox client (win-xp) on a lenny server without GUI (no X ) ? |
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| 15:53.23 | joltcan | magyar_: vboxheadless -s thename & |
| 15:53.25 | maligor | BlueG, the documentation might add a bit, but they're trivial in size in all |
| 15:53.26 | jelly | magyar_: if you mean a vbox guest, then yes |
| 15:53.38 | simonrvn | !virtaulbox |
| 15:53.44 | simonrvn | !virtualbox |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | it has been said that virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch> or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 15:54.01 | joltcan | magyar_: just remember to enable some remote access :D |
| 15:54.26 | maligor | BlueG, the two big drivers are fglrx and nvidia and they aren't installed on default anyway ;P |
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| 15:56.07 | abrotman | tell ? |
| 15:56.49 | simonrvn | two birds .. |
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| 15:56.57 | ranix | owls? |
| 15:57.03 | cusco | err... hi |
| 15:57.24 | cusco | restoring grub, reading dpkgs factoid "fixmbr" |
| 15:57.39 | cusco | grub-install /dev/sda reports> |
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| 15:58.02 | cusco | /dev/sdc2 not found |
| 15:58.21 | cusco | why is it looking for /dev/sdc2 |
| 15:58.30 | Titan8990 | cusco, this is not the backtrack support channel |
| 15:58.56 | simonrvn | check your device.map |
| 15:58.58 | ranix | looks like e17 is broken in sid due do missing dependency libedge-dev |
| 15:59.02 | ranix | due to^ |
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| 15:59.35 | cusco | Titan8990: got me |
| 15:59.38 | cusco | thanks simonrvn |
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| 16:00.09 | abrotman | themill: did he fix it ? |
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| 16:07.07 | H2S04 | !aptitude |
| 16:07.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 16:13.13 | BlueG | heh, its hard to consider anything trivial when you have only 198M free to install a working system... I'm looking for some really light apps with the most basic functionality... |
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| 16:14.12 | magyar_ | joltcan, hmm, what if i installed the .vdi on a different computer. What configurations I would need to perform. I already copied the .vdi file , but thats all i did |
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| 16:17.15 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 16:17.16 | rajeshsr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.30 | rajeshsr | while my headset works well |
| 16:17.37 | rajeshsr | my mike seems not detected |
| 16:17.44 | rajeshsr | can anyone help me out? |
| 16:17.50 | ranix | !anyone |
| 16:17.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:17.54 | ranix | !ask |
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| 16:17.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:22.18 | ranix | rajeshsr: check alsamixer, make sure your mic is not mutes |
| 16:22.47 | ranix | rajeshsr: then try closing all things that could potentially use audio and running cat /dev/dsp /tmp/audio.fil, and speak into your microphone |
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| 16:23.04 | ranix | rajeshsr: rather, cat /dev/dsp >/tmp/audio.fil |
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| 16:23.35 | ranix | rajeshsr: then ^C it, and run cat /tmp/audio.fil >/dev/dsp and you should hear what was recorded by your microphone |
| 16:23.54 | rajeshsr | ranix, checked alsamixer, seems no problem |
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| 16:24.02 | Zhila | I'm having difficulty figuring out how to get debian-installer to set up my rt61 based wifi card in order to proceed installation, even after some hours searching google |
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| 16:24.58 | ranix | Zhila: using a wire for installation and getting your card installed post-installer may save you a lot of time |
| 16:25.26 | pom | I've run into trouble while trying aptitude dist-upgrade. I think it halts on package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg. Here's the full output after I already run it once before the problem: http://pastebin.com/m2d1d72a8 . I'm not sure I'm using the correct sources, because I don't know how I decide which to use. |
| 16:25.31 | rajeshsr | ranix, sudo lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 16:25.36 | rajeshsr | displayed nothing |
| 16:25.48 | rajeshsr | but, cat xx > /dev/dsp |
| 16:25.48 | rajeshsr | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 16:25.53 | rajeshsr | i get tat.. |
| 16:26.09 | valdyn | rajeshsr: "fuser /dev/dsp" |
| 16:26.13 | ranix | rajeshsr: yeah that will happen, something may be using /dev/dsp like you window manager |
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| 16:26.49 | ranix | rajeshsr: best way to do this is to close X completely and do it from a virtual terminal |
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| 16:27.19 | ranix | rajeshsr: I have the same behaviour when lastfm is running even when stopped. Doesn't appear to have /dev/dsp open, but I still get resource busy |
| 16:27.22 | valdyn | which window manager uses /dev/dsp ? |
| 16:27.24 | \amethyst | pom: upgrading from what to what? |
| 16:27.49 | themill | pom: don't try to upgrade directly from etch to squeeze |
| 16:28.10 | jelly | rajeshsr: is the headset usb connected? Or analogue, two cables? Or something else? |
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| 16:28.37 | rajeshsr | it is not usb. |
| 16:28.38 | themill | pom: or worse... don't try to upgrade directly from etch to sid. |
| 16:29.28 | pom | \amethyst: Everything began with a MySQL-problem. So I wanted to upgrade MySQL and the system as well. I first ran apt-get upgrade only. That didn't work because breaks wasn't supported. I didn't know what that mean so I tried this and now everything is fubar to me. |
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| 16:29.52 | pom | themill: Actually, when It comes to upgrading Debian, I have NO idea what I'm doing most of the time. |
| 16:29.59 | \amethyst | pom: what version of Debian were you running? |
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| 16:30.14 | themill | pom: yes, I can see that. You definitely shouldn't be going anywhere near sid, in that case. |
| 16:30.22 | ctmjr | pom:: then you should stay away from sid |
| 16:30.59 | pom | themill: OK, fine. I thought it was Lenny that was going to be installed. |
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| 16:31.17 | themill | pom: perhaps pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:31.24 | pom | Anyway, I could really use some help to get me to understand how to think around these issues. |
| 16:31.34 | pom | themill: Sure, but don't laugh |
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| 16:31.48 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
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| 16:32.01 | JohnFlux | how do I tell apt-get to download a package into the current directory? |
| 16:32.06 | pom | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2eccd46f |
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| 16:32.15 | JohnFlux | apt-get install -d package is just saying "package already installed" and refusing to download it :-/ |
| 16:32.21 | themill | JohnFlux: use "aptitude download" instead. |
| 16:32.58 | themill | pom: so line 9 that has "unstable" in it wasn't a clue that you weren't going to install "stable"? |
| 16:33.26 | JohnFlux | themill: thanks |
| 16:33.36 | JohnFlux | how do I now install this downloaded package? |
| 16:33.44 | JohnFlux | using aptitude to resolve conflicts etc |
| 16:33.51 | valdyn | JohnFlux: haha |
| 16:33.55 | themill | JohnFlux: err.... why wouldn't you just "aptitude install" the package to start with? |
| 16:34.00 | JohnFlux | ah jsut apt-get install file.deb seems to work |
| 16:34.00 | valdyn | JohnFlux: whats wrong with "aptitude install" directly? |
| 16:34.10 | JohnFlux | I'm installling in a scratchbox :-/ |
| 16:34.13 | pom | themill: Yes, apparently. But brokep told me to once. :) |
| 16:34.24 | valdyn | JohnFlux: so? |
| 16:34.36 | greycat | Why would you ask how to download a .deb into $PWD if you didn't know how to install packages from files in $PWD? |
| 16:34.41 | pom | themill: I need another crash course. |
| 16:34.46 | JohnFlux | so, I'm downloading the .deb on my host machine, and copying it into scratchbox, and installing ther |
| 16:34.47 | JohnFlux | there |
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| 16:34.58 | JohnFlux | greycat: one step at a time? |
| 16:35.02 | greycat | what is "scratchbox"? |
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| 16:35.15 | Creap | how can I install a .deb package to a custom location, like my home dir? |
| 16:35.17 | valdyn | JohnFlux: thats one step that you invented, its not a step in the solution |
| 16:35.21 | JohnFlux | hmm, dpkg -i says that there are conflicts |
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| 16:35.23 | greycat | Creap: you can't. |
| 16:35.32 | Creap | :-( |
| 16:35.33 | valdyn | JohnFlux: you should have used something like apt-zip |
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| 16:35.38 | greycat | Creap: closest you can come to that is installing in a chrooted Debian system |
| 16:35.41 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 16:35.41 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest) |
| 16:35.53 | valdyn | JohnFlux: ^^ |
| 16:35.58 | JohnFlux | cool |
| 16:36.33 | pom | themill: Do you think I can have this resolved without reinstalling? |
| 16:36.35 | JohnFlux | I want to replace the currently-installed "libgl1" with the "libgl1-mesa-glx" package I just downloaded. Any ideas how to do that? |
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| 16:36.55 | valdyn | JohnFlux: debian ever had a libgl1 package? |
| 16:36.58 | razi | Hello |
| 16:37.00 | valdyn | !judd: versions libgl1 |
| 16:37.04 | valdyn | judd: versions libgl1 |
| 16:37.05 | judd | valdyn: libgl1 -- |
| 16:37.10 | valdyn | oo |
| 16:37.17 | ranix | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx? |
| 16:37.18 | greycat | I think we're not getting the whole truth here. |
| 16:37.24 | ranix | judd: versions libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 16:37.24 | judd | ranix: libgl1-mesa-glx -- etch: 6.5.1-0.6 lenny: 7.0.3-7 sid: 7.6-1 squeeze: 7.6-1 |
| 16:37.29 | razi | which is the best file system to use with an 2 To HDD ? |
| 16:37.29 | themill | pom: change your sources.list so that it only has lines for "lenny" in it and follow the release notes for upgrading etch to lenny. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 16:37.30 | ultralazer | dpkg -i packagename |
| 16:37.30 | dpkg | removes a speen from ultralazer and replaces it with packagename |
| 16:37.36 | ultralazer | a speen? |
| 16:37.40 | ranix | what's a speen |
| 16:37.42 | greycat | I still don't know if "scratchbox" is some product I'm not familiar with, or some term that JohnFlux made up. |
| 16:37.43 | ranix | !speen |
| 16:37.43 | ultralazer | oops sorry didn't mean to activate the bot. |
| 16:37.53 | valdyn | razi: wrong question |
| 16:37.57 | JohnFlux | greycat: virtual machine.. kinda |
| 16:38.05 | valdyn | razi: /msg dpkg best |
| 16:38.09 | greycat | JohnFlux: So install Debian on it and use aptitude in it. |
| 16:38.31 | ranix | apt-get is better than aptitude |
| 16:38.34 | JohnFlux | ah screw, I'll just --force-all the new package on top ;-D |
| 16:38.45 | ranix | uhh? |
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| 16:38.53 | valdyn | JohnFlux: sure, go ahead |
| 16:39.05 | valdyn | JohnFlux: but pulease dont ask us to pick up the pieces |
| 16:39.20 | Sneex | looks at all the pieces |
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| 16:39.49 | ranix | if you are getting some sort of error message when performing apt-get install libgl1-mesa-drx, you should tell us "I am getting error message ___" so we don't have to ask basic questions like "what error message are you getting" before you --force anything |
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| 16:40.19 | greycat | I still don't understand why he ISN'T actually running "apt-get install libwhatever" inside his virtual machine. |
| 16:40.31 | valdyn | its a "kinda virtual machine" |
| 16:40.35 | greycat | I guess it's too much to ask that people exercise some basic common sense. |
| 16:40.37 | valdyn | is that "semi virtual" ? |
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| 16:40.44 | ultralazer | free prozac |
| 16:40.46 | ultralazer | later |
| 16:40.54 | valdyn | or is that a badly hidden untruth? |
| 16:41.22 | JohnFlux | it's similar to that program you guys use to make packages |
| 16:41.24 | JohnFlux | I forget its name |
| 16:41.37 | JohnFlux | the way build-package creates a chroot environment |
| 16:41.43 | \amethyst | pbuilder? |
| 16:41.53 | JohnFlux | maybe |
| 16:41.56 | ctmjr | Scratchbox[1] is a cross-compilation toolkit designed to make embedded Linux application development easier. |
| 16:42.03 | valdyn | JohnFlux: why cant your chroot environment use the net? |
| 16:42.06 | greycat | so, like, chroot into it, and execute apt-get? |
| 16:42.18 | valdyn | JohnFlux: the *net* that it *already* shares with the host. |
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| 16:42.58 | valdyn | so its not a virtual machine at all aftera ll |
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| 16:43.14 | Meths | not even semi-virtual ;P |
| 16:44.36 | pom | What is the difference between stable and a names release? |
| 16:44.40 | pom | named even |
| 16:44.49 | JohnFlux | valdyn: well, it has a cpu emulator to run arm binaries etc |
| 16:44.52 | greycat | "stable" is an ever-changing symlink to a named release |
| 16:44.54 | JohnFlux | valdyn: that's pretty virtual |
| 16:45.05 | greycat | right now, stable points to lenny |
| 16:45.21 | themill | dpkg: tell pom about stable sources.list |
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| 16:47.06 | valdyn | JohnFlux: then its not what debian uses |
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| 16:49.01 | hedkandi | hello |
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| 16:49.16 | hedkandi | does anyone know about these debian packages? |
| 16:49.24 | mastro | i've started some service from a terminal in background |
| 16:49.59 | mastro | how do I make those server unrelated to my terminal so that i can close it? (actually is a remote SSH session) like if i launched them with nohup |
| 16:50.08 | hedkandi | as I understand it, a package is a pair of zip files in a binary format |
| 16:50.10 | greycat | mastro: nohup myprogram & disown |
| 16:50.22 | greycat | mastro: or better, nohup myprogram >/dev/null 2>&1 & disown |
| 16:50.23 | hedkandi | in one zip file is a bunch of binary files |
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| 16:50.31 | mastro | greap, I already launched them |
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| 16:50.33 | hedkandi | and the other contains dependency info, descriptions etc. |
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| 16:50.47 | mastro | greycat, I already launched them |
| 16:50.52 | mastro | greap sorry :) not for you |
| 16:50.56 | greycat | mastro: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/063 -- My ssh client hangs when I try to run a remote background job! |
| 16:51.19 | mastro | greycat, is there a way to do it without stopping and restarting? |
| 16:51.25 | gladideg | I'm running bind9 on debian, and I'm looking for a secure approach to reload bind with php. What should I do regarding permissions etc? |
| 16:51.30 | valdyn | hedkandi: surely not zip files |
| 16:51.41 | valdyn | hedkandi: the .deb file is an ar archive |
| 16:52.00 | greycat | mastro: do what? |
| 16:52.20 | valdyn | hedkandi: but this is all documented, no need to ask us |
| 16:52.32 | greycat | mastro: to make your ssh client relinquish its death-grip? The FAQ says to use Enter ~ something kill the client. |
| 16:52.41 | greycat | been a while since I've had to do it, or since I've read it... |
| 16:52.47 | mastro | greycat, i already launched those apps.. how do i unlink them from the command line WITHOUT terminating them and re-launch them |
| 16:53.00 | greycat | mastro: kill the ssh client as described. |
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| 16:53.13 | mastro | greycat, kill it from local? |
| 16:53.15 | mastro | ok |
| 16:53.17 | greycat | if you used nohup as you said you did, then the background jobs will not die. |
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| 16:53.41 | mastro | greycat, i never said i used nohup.. i sayd i launched them.. then CTRL+z and bg |
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| 16:54.06 | greycat | mastro: oh, then you're screwed. Kill and restart with nohup. |
| 16:54.28 | \amethyst | mastro: disown; then the shell won't pass along HUPs |
| 16:54.30 | mastro | greycat, auch... no way to nohup "on the fly"? |
| 16:54.40 | greycat | no |
| 16:55.21 | mastro | \amethyst, uh? how? |
| 16:55.30 | mastro | \amethyst, man disown show nothing |
| 16:55.39 | \amethyst | mastro: it's a bash builtin; help disown |
| 16:55.54 | \amethyst | disown -h is enough, if you want them to still have a job number |
| 16:56.13 | jelly | gladideg: uhm... sudo on "rndc reload"? |
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| 16:56.31 | mastro | \amethyst, good! so now i can exit the ssh without closing them |
| 16:56.34 | mastro | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 16:57.53 | \amethyst | mastro: note that nohup does more than this |
| 16:58.18 | mastro | \amethyst, can you tell me what? or give me something that explain it? |
| 16:58.19 | mastro | thanks |
| 16:58.32 | gladideg | jelly: www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/bind reload <- Like that in /etc/sudoers ? |
| 16:58.32 | greycat | nohup is an external command, so it has a man page |
| 16:58.52 | \amethyst | mastro: nohup also redirects stdin/stdout/stderr, and it actually blocks HUP signals |
| 16:58.53 | greycat | probably /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 16:58.57 | jogla | I have a problem with my keyboard, ISO_Level3_Shift will not give me any uppercase letters |
| 16:59.18 | jogla | For example, ISO_LEVEL3 is àéôû, but ISO_Level3_Shift is nothing |
| 16:59.24 | gladideg | greycat: ok |
| 16:59.24 | jogla | with US -> International Dvorak |
| 16:59.34 | gladideg | greycat: was thinking of just allowing reload just in case |
| 16:59.38 | mastro | \amethyst, what are HUP signals? |
| 16:59.43 | \amethyst | mastro: disown only affects the shell; normally if the shell receives a SIGHUP (e.g. if it is in the foreground and the terminal disconnects) it will pass it on to its jobs---disown prevents that |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | mastro: SIGHUP, delivered when a terminal goes away. |
| 16:59.52 | mastro | \amethyst, may be i should ask in #bash instead :) |
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| 17:00.11 | \amethyst | mastro: do you know what a signal is? |
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| 17:00.33 | mastro | \amethyst, yes i know... don't know how they are managed into bash but i know there are |
| 17:00.50 | jelly | gladideg: that might work, too. I tend to use /usr/sbin/rndc instead of the init script. |
| 17:00.53 | emil | CRAP. i just did a rm * in / with a mistake in a shell-script |
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| 17:01.05 | valdyn | emil: no big deal |
| 17:01.06 | \amethyst | mastro: HUP is one of the signals that the OS can raise itself without a process doing kill() |
| 17:01.17 | greycat | there shouldn't be many files in / |
| 17:01.18 | valdyn | emil: what did you have there that was not a directory? |
| 17:01.19 | emil | it didnt go into directories but i think there where some links in there |
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| 17:01.30 | greycat | maybe some symlinks to kernels from /vmlinuz* |
| 17:01.34 | emil | symlinks. vmlinuz |
| 17:01.34 | \amethyst | mastro: when a terminal goes away, the kernel sends SIGHUP to all the processes in the foreground process group |
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| 17:01.41 | emil | yeah. i havnt put anything there |
| 17:01.55 | emil | do i need the symlinks to boot up the machine? |
| 17:02.21 | \amethyst | mastro: normally an interactive shell puts each job in a separate process group, so this would by itself mean that background jobs wouldn't get killed |
| 17:02.53 | valdyn | emil: no |
| 17:03.04 | emil | valdyn, good. |
| 17:03.08 | valdyn | emil: its possible that your current boot manager relies on those links though |
| 17:03.17 | valdyn | emil: if you are using grub youre safe iirc |
| 17:03.18 | \amethyst | mastro: but the shell, when it receives HUP, passes it on to those jobs (since normally you would want background jobs to die if their terminal goes away; and this is what always happened before job controll); this is what disown prevents |
| 17:03.19 | emil | the funny thing is that im working on a backupscript :) |
| 17:03.23 | jpinx-eeepc | does gpe-screenshot have any options - like a time-delay? There's nothing in the man page :( |
| 17:03.30 | emil | valdyn, im using grub |
| 17:03.32 | valdyn | emil: is it an amd64 install? |
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| 17:03.46 | gladideg | jelly: Ok, I'm gonna do that too. I'm not sure I'm doing it right, I get permission denied because it can't open the rndc config. (rndc.key: permission denied) |
| 17:03.46 | emil | valdyn, backupscripts should run rm /* |
| 17:04.00 | emil | valdyn, no. debian 5.0 32-bit |
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| 17:04.16 | greycat | !screenshot |
| 17:04.17 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
| 17:04.33 | valdyn | emil: as far as i know theres only initrd.img and vmlinuz then that you deleted |
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| 17:04.57 | valdyn | emil: both symlinks, both not essential |
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| 17:05.16 | emil | valdyn, if i reboot the machine and home my breath until it is up again. may i die? |
| 17:05.18 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: thanks - I use gpe-screenshot 'cos it is such a lightweight app |
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| 17:05.35 | valdyn | emil: just read /boot/grub/menu.lst before you reboot. |
| 17:05.41 | gladideg | jelly: never mind, forgot to put sudo before the command :) |
| 17:05.53 | mastro | \amethyst, thank you for the little lesson :) |
| 17:06.48 | emil | valdyn, grub seems to be looking for the kernels in /boot |
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| 17:07.34 | CoNfUsO | how to block a dos attack from one host ? |
| 17:08.17 | greycat | Your upstream ISP would have to assist you. |
| 17:08.41 | greycat | You can't block the packets until they get to you. Once they get to you, they've already consumed the bandwidth. |
| 17:08.50 | \amethyst | you can at least drop packets from that host with iptables to reduce the load on your system, and outgoing response packets |
| 17:09.02 | CoNfUsO | i have this host Entrata : 3447.9 kb/s |
| 17:09.02 | CoNfUsO | Uscita : 63.2 Mb/s |
| 17:09.12 | \amethyst | but as greycat notes that won't help if they're filling up your downstream bandwidth |
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| 17:09.34 | jelly | CoNfUsO: but what if we don't know italian? |
| 17:09.38 | hark | Zenox: mpg and xvid played |
| 17:09.41 | CoNfUsO | sorry |
| 17:09.48 | CoNfUsO | i get the host one moment |
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| 17:10.11 | CoNfUsO | this host doss me .ttnet.net.tr |
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| 17:10.25 | jelly | CoNfUsO: you'd typically use iptables to block the traffic. It will still clog the tubes, but at least it won't reach your application |
| 17:10.25 | emil | valdyn, thanks for the help |
| 17:11.16 | CoNfUsO | do you have rules for iptables? |
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| 17:12.23 | \amethyst | CoNfUsO: iptables -A INPUT -s ttnet.net.tr -j DROP |
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| 17:13.13 | jhutchins_lt | How do I install an updated package that I've downloaded manually? |
| 17:13.27 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -i |
| 17:13.27 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -i |
| 17:13.42 | az_ | http://www.bisigi-project.org/?page_id=8&lang=en -- will that work under debian squeeze? |
| 17:13.50 | valdyn | CoNfUsO: which service is it dosing? |
| 17:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | That appears to be simply installing it without doing anything but possibly overwriting the older version. |
| 17:13.55 | CoNfUsO | apache |
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| 17:14.06 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: so, what's the REAL question? |
| 17:14.14 | CoNfUsO | if i drop apache the doss stopping |
| 17:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Well, I was wondering if I had used the intended command, which I had, so now the question is "now what", and I think the answer is "remove, old, install new". |
| 17:15.19 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: you shouldn't have to remove the old one first. |
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| 17:18.19 | CoNfUsO | uhm \amethyst the rules don't work |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | CoNfUsO: ".ttnet.net.tr" is not a proper hostname. Typically you'd do something like \amethyst said, but with the correct source, and perhaps using a destination port (--dport 80) |
| 17:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Agreed, I think it's a) bad packaging and b) they include the version number in the primary package name. |
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| 17:18.53 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: so... this is not a Debain package? |
| 17:18.54 | greycat | Debian* |
| 17:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: .deb package of avg antivirus _for_ debian by third party (grisoft). |
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| 17:19.47 | d0uglas | hi. when i run screen and do ctrl a/S to split the screen in half, the bottom new terminal is blank and unusable |
| 17:19.48 | greycat | Not a Debian package, then. Well, I hope it works. |
| 17:19.48 | CoNfUsO | on iptraf have lot of this dsxxx-xxx-xxxx.ttnet.net.tr:3503 |
| 17:19.54 | d0uglas | not logged in |
| 17:20.12 | greycat | d0uglas: you probably have to start a shell in it or something. |
| 17:20.36 | d0uglas | yeah.. any idea how? |
| 17:20.46 | greycat | Not off hand. I'd have to read the manual. |
| 17:20.55 | d0uglas | i guess that's what i have to do |
| 17:21.08 | d0uglas | weird, it worked the other day |
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| 17:23.13 | valdyn | d0uglas: its just blank, not unusuable |
| 17:23.33 | d0uglas | well, i can't type anything into it |
| 17:23.44 | valdyn | d0uglas: you can use the usual screen comands |
| 17:24.26 | d0uglas | i can c-a tab to bounce up and down.. |
| 17:24.40 | d0uglas | i'm reading the man.. |
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| 17:25.33 | greycat | d0uglas: as a quick experiment, ^A c in the new one seems to start a shell. |
| 17:26.32 | d0uglas | jackpot |
| 17:26.36 | d0uglas | thank you |
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| 17:31.35 | cusco | hi... |
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| 17:31.56 | cusco | I used unetbootin to put net-installer on the usb drive |
| 17:32.00 | km | any ideas how to determind why apache1.3 hangs? |
| 17:32.01 | cusco | now it fails to load cdrom |
| 17:32.09 | cusco | how to go round that? |
| 17:32.21 | cusco | km: error.log? |
| 17:32.22 | km | no indication in the logs why apache hangs |
| 17:32.34 | cusco | maybe strace it |
| 17:32.35 | km | just some old ssl error messages |
| 17:32.44 | km | like |
| 17:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: httpd -t? |
| 17:33.10 | cusco | jhutchins_lt: not for me |
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| 17:33.19 | km | all the syntax check out ok |
| 17:33.56 | km | it intermittenly hangs |
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| 17:34.26 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Ah, sorry. |
| 17:34.37 | cusco | km: strace /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 17:34.39 | cusco | something like that |
| 17:34.49 | cusco | I have a different problem |
| 17:35.04 | km | what will that tell that us |
| 17:35.36 | greycat | cusco: you probably want strace -f -o somelogfile there |
| 17:35.39 | cusco | km: I can't help you there but it tells you all the instructions it is performing and where it hangs |
| 17:36.05 | cusco | greycat: probably. My problem however, is using netinstall from a usb drive |
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| 17:36.07 | cusco | fails to load cd-rom |
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| 17:36.27 | cusco | how can I go round tgat |
| 17:36.29 | cusco | that |
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| 17:37.10 | greycat | Look up how to do installs from USB mass storage devices in the install guide? |
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| 17:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Is it a usb drive or a cd-rom? |
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| 17:42.27 | Katatonic | I just installed Samba and set it up as a domain - where abouts do I go to confirm the domains setting for a so I can set it up in Windows? |
| 17:42.58 | OuterSpaceMan | I've got a screwy xorg problem I haven't seen before. When I switch to fglrx from radeonhd it starts fine, runs fine, but the screen is wrapped around horizontally by about 1/4 the screen |
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| 17:43.45 | OuterSpaceMan | It's a Radeon X1200 in an Inspiron |
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| 17:45.28 | MarkGil | Can someone tell me how debian unstable builds work. I am waiting for a updated build for ARM of this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/esniper It's showing red. Is there is build script that's building lots of things, and it's not ready yet, or there is some problem, or it's a manual thing? |
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| 17:46.22 | greycat | MarkGil: I'd check bugs.debian.org/esniper first |
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| 17:47.01 | Wazzzaaa | Hi, I'm logged on via SSH. When I press ALT+LEFT I get "3D". Can somebody explain me why this occurs? |
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| 17:47.48 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: your terminal is probably sending something like ESC [ 3 D |
| 17:48.13 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: But it does work on other (debian) servers |
| 17:48.27 | ranix | Wazzzaaa: ® |
| 17:48.28 | Wazzzaaa | So I think I could do something on the server to solve it... |
| 17:48.33 | km | apache doesn't hang on startup. only intermittenly hangs after it has been up and running for sometimes |
| 17:48.46 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: it sounds like it's already working. |
| 17:49.02 | greycat | your terminal is generating something, and since you're at a shell prompt, the shell is echoing back what it receives... |
| 17:49.04 | ranix | Wazzzaaa: does ALT + i give you a é |
| 17:49.08 | greycat | what did you expect it to do? |
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| 17:49.16 | Wazzzaaa | ranix: no |
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| 17:49.47 | Wazzzaaa | well, for example, I'm in irssi. ALT+LEFT should bring me 1 windows to the left |
| 17:49.54 | Wazzzaaa | 3D |
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| 17:50.33 | Wazzzaaa | this didn't occur on other servers.... |
| 17:50.36 | greycat | So you're using some terminal that is not the linux console, but you expected to see whatever behavior you're used to from a Linux console...? |
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| 17:50.39 | Wazzzaaa | with this terminal |
| 17:50.54 | greycat | Start by telling us what terminal you're using. |
| 17:50.58 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: what is your $TERM ? |
| 17:51.02 | Wazzzaaa | the gnome-terminal |
| 17:51.03 | greycat | That would be step two. |
| 17:51.19 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: the environment variable, I mean; perhaps it is being set differently on this server? |
| 17:51.24 | greycat | Ok, so you're in a gnome-terminal, and you're ssh-ing to a Debian server, and $TERM is ... what? |
| 17:51.30 | Wazzzaaa | \amethyst: xterm (local and server) |
| 17:51.34 | ranix | Wazzzaaa: echo $term |
| 17:51.36 | ranix | ehr |
| 17:51.38 | ranix | $TERM |
| 17:51.42 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: yes |
| 17:51.51 | greycat | xterm is the wrong value for a gnome-terminal. that explains the problem. |
| 17:51.52 | Wazzzaaa | i understand that |
| 17:52.10 | greycat | The remote server thinks you're an xterm, but you're sending gnome-terminal escape sequences. |
| 17:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, ha, I looked at it a bit more - actually it seems to be a bug - the cronjobs calls syslogd-listfiles and that looks at the size of the logs and decides which need to be rotated |
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| 17:52.47 | Wazzzaaa | are you sure? I didn't change anything on this client machine :S |
| 17:52.49 | \amethyst | greycat: they should send the same sequences though |
| 17:53.15 | Wazzzaaa | I'm sure I can fix this by doing something on the server, not local |
| 17:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, only seems it's _always_ returning syslog - even if I call it with syslogd-listfiles --large <large number> it's always returning syslog |
| 17:53.31 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: you say there are problems in every program, not just the shell? |
| 17:53.40 | Wazzzaaa | yes |
| 17:53.41 | greycat | launches an xterm on a Debian lenny box and hits Ctrl-V Alt-Left and observes that it generates ESC [ 1 ; 3 D |
| 17:53.47 | Wazzzaaa | on a certain server |
| 17:53.50 | \amethyst | greycat: so does gnome-terminal |
| 17:53.58 | MarkGil | OK, I checked bugs.debian.org/esniper and there is nothng blocking the arm port per-se, is this just a wait for it thing? is there seperate maintainers for each port? I don't normally care too much, but this specific package gets broken frequently by ebay updates, and quick turnarounds on packages are quite important. |
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| 17:54.17 | greycat | \amethyst: meanwhile, Alt-Left in rxvt (or rxvt-unicode) sends only ESC |
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| 17:54.31 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: it also occurs when I ssh via xterm |
| 17:54.36 | \amethyst | greycat: it sends esc esc [ D |
| 17:54.41 | greycat | \amethyst: whoops, no, it actually sends ESC ESC [ D |
| 17:54.43 | Wazzzaaa | instead of gnome-terminal |
| 17:54.49 | greycat | \amethyst: Ctrl-V test fails for that one. |
| 17:54.59 | greycat | \amethyst: I had to fall back to od -t x1 ENTER Alt-Left |
| 17:55.08 | \amethyst | greycat: I usually use cat |
| 17:55.17 | greycat | Point being, different terminals send different things for the same keypress. |
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| 17:55.34 | \amethyst | the thing is, terminfo doesn't say anything about alt-left |
| 17:55.38 | greycat | I don't feel like installing gnome-terminal to test it. |
| 17:55.47 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: even xterm had the problem |
| 17:55.59 | Wazzzaaa | has |
| 17:56.15 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: locally, if you press ctrl-v then alt-left do you get ^[[3D or ^[[1;3D ? |
| 17:56.22 | Wazzzaaa | 3D |
| 17:56.23 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: then do the same test remotely |
| 17:56.31 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: err, just 3D? |
| 17:56.33 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: you must press the Ctrl-V first. |
| 17:56.39 | greycat | At a shell. |
| 17:56.43 | Wazzzaaa | ^[[1;3D |
| 17:56.45 | Wazzzaaa | both |
| 17:56.58 | \amethyst | Wazzzaaa: so it has the 1; both locally and remotely? |
| 17:57.04 | Wazzzaaa | yea |
| 17:57.25 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: what version of Debian is on the box you're ssh-ing into? |
| 17:58.09 | Wazzzaaa | like I said before. It has something to do with the server. I don't know how to call. I think the server only allow keys from the very old keyboards. Which hasn't VK_LEFT key etc |
| 17:58.14 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: debian 4.0 |
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| 17:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, I'd say file a bug... the lack of response to bug #104278 is a bit discouraging - there's also #44523 |
| 17:59.03 | Wazzzaaa | I already compared the ouputs of EXPORT (from local and server) |
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| 17:59.15 | greycat | I don't even know how Unix/terminfo deals with Alt-* at all. It's so incredibly nonstandard... |
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| 17:59.48 | Wazzzaaa | well it works on most systems |
| 17:59.58 | Wazzzaaa | most system I am using |
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| 18:00.03 | greycat | Heh. |
| 18:00.57 | Wazzzaaa | Maybe you can give me some more info or pointer for me to look into |
| 18:01.02 | Wazzzaaa | xterm ? |
| 18:01.23 | greycat | That's the problem. I don't even have a theoretical basis for HOW this is supposed to work. Terminals never had Alt keys. |
| 18:01.34 | Wazzzaaa | ah, okay |
| 18:01.41 | greycat | So maybe there's some special GNU/Linux hackery going on. |
| 18:01.54 | jelly | putty seems to be the most complete free vt100/vt220/vt320 emulator so far |
| 18:01.57 | Wazzzaaa | hehe, yeah I think that's it |
| 18:02.06 | MarkGil | Hmm, whats: http://incoming.debian.org/?11050300 |
| 18:02.07 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a safe way to scan for (and remove) orphaned dependencies? Say I've always used dpkg or apt-get to remove stuff, so dependencies got orphaned. |
| 18:02.09 | Wazzzaaa | something GNU |
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| 18:02.27 | jelly | greycat: also, didn't IBM terminals have very-IBM PS/2-like keyboards? With Alt and all. |
| 18:02.28 | MarkGil | as there is a build there (good old google and consistent naming conventions) |
| 18:02.30 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: debfoster, deborphan |
| 18:02.43 | Wazzzaaa | jhutchins_lt: apt-get autoremove |
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| 18:03.01 | Wazzzaaa | man apt-get for more info jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | Wazzzaaa: What about aptitude? |
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| 18:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | Wazzzaaa: Compare the termcapinfo from a server that handles the keystrokes correctly with that from the one that doesn't. |
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| 18:06.26 | Wazzzaaa | jhutchins_lt: I don't know how to do it in aptitude |
| 18:06.38 | Wazzzaaa | How do I retrieve termcapinfo ? |
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| 18:07.31 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: infocmp xterm |
| 18:07.31 | Wazzzaaa | infocmp ? |
| 18:07.34 | Wazzzaaa | ok |
| 18:07.39 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: (or infocmp gnome-terminal) |
| 18:07.52 | greycat | But as \amethyst said already, Alt isn't covered by that. |
| 18:08.13 | Wazzzaaa | Well, and what could I do with the output? |
| 18:08.15 | Wazzzaaa | hm, ok |
| 18:08.17 | greycat | I haven't a clue how an application is expected to discern what the escape sequence for Alt-* keys is. |
| 18:08.22 | Wazzzaaa | I'll look further |
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| 18:08.51 | greycat | This is why when you use irssi on a non-GNU-special system, you use things like ESC 1 instead of Alt-1 |
| 18:09.02 | Wazzzaaa | greycat: another example when it annoys me is in vim. When I accidently press LEFT. It inserts a newline and D |
| 18:09.14 | greycat | That definitely sounds like a terminfo mismatch. |
| 18:09.42 | Wazzzaaa | How can I solve that? |
| 18:11.12 | greycat | GAH! I can't remember the name of this package and I can't find it!! |
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| 18:11.16 | greycat | I thought it was 'terminfo-extra'. |
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| 18:11.35 | Wazzzaaa | I'll search aptitude |
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| 18:12.25 | Wazzzaaa | hmz, nothing |
| 18:12.29 | greycat | Wazzzaaa: I think it's ncurses-term |
| 18:12.39 | greycat | Description: Additional terminal type definitions |
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| 18:13.23 | greycat | if ncurses-term is installed on the Debian 4.0 box and it still doesn't recognize xterm's Left arrow key, then I'm stumped. |
| 18:13.35 | Wazzzaaa | ok |
| 18:13.42 | Wazzzaaa | well too bad im not root on that machine |
| 18:13.55 | Wazzzaaa | But it isn't installed on my desktop :P |
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| 18:15.37 | Wazzzaaa | thnx for the help greycat |
| 18:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, are you saying there's a fix for cursor keys printing D and other keys on non-vim vi on non-gnu systems? |
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| 18:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always thought non-vim vi just doesn't handle/understand cursor keys |
| 18:17.38 | dfinn | why would xorg and everything related need to be UN installed when I apt-get install nvidia-glx? |
| 18:17.39 | Wazzzaaa | Well that problem never occured to me on debian machine |
| 18:17.41 | Wazzzaaa | s |
| 18:18.02 | hark | dfinn: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
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| 18:18.55 | dfinn | is there a way to get opengl working without using the non-free driver? |
| 18:18.58 | hark | vim-tiny when run as vi is set compatible. that's why you have the cursor keys issue |
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| 18:19.14 | SparFux | Hello. |
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| 18:20.00 | Wazzzaaa | hark: thnx for that!! That helped me for this |
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| 18:21.18 | SparFux | Are there tutorials for making cups find windows xp printers on the lan? I can only find tutorials for windows clients using cups printers. ?? |
| 18:21.40 | mattgirv | dfinn: Check out http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 18:22.01 | mattgirv | its a slow waiting game on that front though sadly |
| 18:22.40 | mattgirv | dfinn: I had the same problem as you and I decided just to compile the kernel module manually, worked fine and its a later version than in the repos |
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| 18:23.02 | psone | Hello. What is the default value of PS1 on Debian? |
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| 18:23.23 | foo | hm, etch isn't the latest anymore, is it? can someone shoot the upgrade instructions to me? |
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| 18:27.03 | babilen | !tell foo -about etch->lenny |
| 18:27.10 | foo | babilen: thanks |
| 18:27.22 | babilen | foo: And make sure you actually *read* the release notes. |
| 18:27.29 | psone | PS1 anyone, prease? |
| 18:28.24 | foo | babilen: thanks |
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| 18:28.58 | babilen | foo: You are welcome. Ask if something is unclear. |
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| 18:29.29 | hunin_ | can someone tell me how to turn of power saving? |
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| 18:30.03 | abrotman | psone: did you change it ? |
| 18:30.30 | prince_jammys | cat /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 18:31.08 | psone | prince_jammys: I don't see what good that would do since I'm not on a Debian system. |
| 18:31.36 | abrotman | psone: then say that .. we're not mind readers |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | $ echo $PS1 |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 18:31.50 | muddd | I'm trying to install mysql-3.23.58 and I get a linuxthreads error.... http://pastebin.com/d6760cec2 |
| 18:32.02 | muddd | from what I can tell I should be good. what gives? |
| 18:32.03 | prince_jammys | psone: http://pastebin.com/d72d21849 |
| 18:32.19 | psone | abrotman: I don't see how that helped you answer my question, but thank you anyway. |
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| 18:32.45 | nsadmin | mysql 3, isn't that ancient? |
| 18:33.00 | abrotman | psone: because we're just thinking you're stupid because you can't find it on your own :) |
| 18:33.01 | muddd | nsadmin, yes, but I'm getting software that requires it unfortunately |
| 18:33.03 | psone | prince_jammys: thank you |
| 18:33.10 | prince_jammys | welcome |
| 18:33.17 | nsadmin | how are you trying to install it? |
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| 18:33.27 | muddd | I get that error at ./configure |
| 18:33.33 | justin | muddd: what software is this? |
| 18:33.34 | psone | abrotman: that's a stupid thing of you to do, ironic - is it not? |
| 18:33.37 | nsadmin | so you're compiling it |
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| 18:33.40 | muddd | a collections software |
| 18:33.46 | muddd | yes sorry should have said that |
| 18:33.54 | justin | i would not install mysql3 |
| 18:34.01 | nsadmin | ok, just curious... |
| 18:34.28 | abrotman | yeah .. because having someone in #debian .. without a debian system .. that'd be stupid |
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| 18:34.33 | muddd | justin, i wouldnt either but the software developer said its necessary |
| 18:34.41 | justin | the software developer is an idiot |
| 18:34.49 | muddd | lol |
| 18:34.49 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am about to upgrade from lenny to testing and wondering what is an good way to log everything? tee? |
| 18:34.55 | abrotman | justin: i say that all the time! |
| 18:35.03 | abrotman | evilbulgarian: man script |
| 18:35.06 | muddd | I think he designed it back in the day and didnt learn about mysql 5 |
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| 18:35.17 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: thank you |
| 18:35.31 | muddd | but i'm guessing i'm gonna have to roll back my glibc? |
| 18:35.36 | justin | muddd: no |
| 18:35.39 | muddd | whew |
| 18:35.44 | justin | muddd: install mysql 5, make the software work with that |
| 18:36.01 | nsadmin | muddd: besides, if you try to do that you'll screw up most of your system |
| 18:36.05 | muddd | haha i hope it can. weren't there some big changes since then? I'm not sure if it would work |
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| 18:36.46 | nsadmin | or -much- better, look into porting it to postgres |
| 18:36.51 | justin | heh |
| 18:36.53 | muddd | christ |
| 18:37.20 | nsadmin | postgres has... -transactions-... |
| 18:37.35 | justin | mysql has transactions, though who remembers if mysql 3 does :) |
| 18:37.36 | Wazzzaaa | mysql too |
| 18:37.41 | muddd | ha |
| 18:37.51 | simNIX | Im trying to setup a Linux box so that the owner of the box when logged in can use all of internet, but when kids login they can't. I've thought about a proxy but since the Internet is directly connected to the box disabling the proxy = full access. Any recomends ? A firewall would also block main user's full access ... |
| 18:38.04 | justin | there's no reason to have currently released software depend on mysql3 |
| 18:38.10 | nsadmin | and stored procs |
| 18:38.30 | greycat | simNIX: I believe you can have iptables filter packets based on UID |
| 18:38.50 | simNIX | ow - i'll give that a google - tnx for tip greap |
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| 18:39.10 | muddd | lol so what am I gonna have to do about this? the lib part |
| 18:39.13 | simNIX | *greycat |
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| 18:40.01 | justin | muddd: make the application work with a newer(supported) version of mysql |
| 18:40.26 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:41.01 | zamuro | Is there a reason why I can send files from my computer to a cellphone via bluetooth but not the other way around? |
| 18:41.05 | muddd | damn this guy |
| 18:41.07 | nsadmin | muddd: what is the exact text of the error you get? |
| 18:41.31 | muddd | http://pastebin.com/d6760cec2 |
| 18:41.35 | muddd | bottom |
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| 18:42.16 | nsadmin | so you need that lib |
| 18:42.17 | greycat | muddd: it looks like you don't have *-dev packages installed. |
| 18:42.32 | muddd | lemme check |
| 18:42.36 | greycat | muddd: apt-get install build-essential zlib1g-dev just based on the screen shot... |
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| 18:42.44 | justin | greycat: he is trying to compile mysql3 |
| 18:42.48 | greycat | justin: I got that part. |
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| 18:42.59 | nsadmin | that part was got. |
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| 18:43.10 | greycat | I agree that it's a bad idea, but.... |
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| 18:43.23 | justin | he would probably have better luck installing woddy |
| 18:43.29 | goneaway | anyone know a good way to see which new packages have entered testing? |
| 18:43.42 | justin | or at least a woody chroot, but that may still have threading issues |
| 18:43.48 | ranix | compiling mysql 3 is a bad ide |
| 18:43.49 | ranix | a |
| 18:43.49 | muddd | ok trying that greycat |
| 18:43.53 | nsadmin | if he can install both mysql3 and mysql5, he has a better chance of porting it |
| 18:44.25 | ranix | I strongly agree with justin - install woody on a box to use for restoration |
| 18:44.28 | muddd | I had mysql5 on here but uninstalled it for 3... but I'm sure I could try both |
| 18:44.35 | muddd | so easiest would be running woody? |
| 18:44.39 | muddd | possibly? |
| 18:44.41 | ranix | I think so |
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| 18:44.47 | justin | no, easiest would be running a new supported version of mysql |
| 18:44.54 | justin | and kicking this "developer" in the ass |
| 18:44.58 | muddd | haha justin |
| 18:45.02 | ranix | justin: he wants to convert his tables to mysql5 |
| 18:45.10 | ranix | after doing that, then kick the "developer" |
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| 18:46.04 | nsadmin | I think he wants to get the app running... |
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| 18:47.26 | babilen | muddd: Do you have any way to contact the developer? Which application are we talking about? Are you sure you need exactly that one? |
| 18:47.48 | greycat | smells like an in-house app, not something we'd know about |
| 18:48.04 | nsadmin | you might try openacs... but that's specialized for big sites |
| 18:48.18 | muddd | babilen, I'm shooting him an email now asking why can't I use mysql 5 instead of 3... yeah its a collections program |
| 18:48.32 | muddd | written in java |
| 18:48.46 | ranix | ah it's a java "developer" |
| 18:48.54 | muddd | lol is that bad? |
| 18:48.59 | goneaway | start with kicking then ask questions later. |
| 18:49.00 | babilen | If I may ask... what is a "collections program" ? |
| 18:49.01 | ranix | could be worse, he could be a C++ developer |
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| 18:49.08 | greycat | They're slightly better than PHP "developers". |
| 18:49.29 | muddd | hahaha. Its a program used to keep track of debtors in a collections agency. debt collectors |
| 18:49.30 | ranix | greycat: but php developers have bright LAMPs |
| 18:49.38 | nsadmin | "developer" wars! |
| 18:49.40 | babilen | muddd: And you need that application and can't use something comparable? |
| 18:49.48 | ranix | !start a language war |
| 18:49.49 | dpkg | Logo is more efficient than LITHP |
| 18:49.50 | jimcooncat | I wanna be a tcl developer |
| 18:49.57 | nsadmin | your developer wears army boots! |
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| 18:50.03 | nsadmin | is a tcl dev |
| 18:50.06 | greycat | is too |
| 18:50.06 | goneaway | at least PHP is easy to fix after it's deployed. edit. edit. somewhat better. |
| 18:50.14 | ranix | goneaway: no? |
| 18:50.41 | babilen | muddd: OK, out of luck then. I guess you have to ask the Java "developer" if she can port the application to mysql 5 |
| 18:50.45 | ranix | you can write fortran in PHP as easily as in Java |
| 18:50.48 | goneaway | ranix: I mean when compared to java. |
| 18:50.53 | muddd | babilen, nope this company already bought the program :( |
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| 18:51.06 | nsadmin | so is tcl, perl, python, bash (and other shells), scheme, lisp |
| 18:51.27 | goneaway | more people need to become 'professional' brainf*ck developers. |
| 18:51.32 | nsadmin | muddd: who knows, you could be the one to port it |
| 18:51.34 | babilen | muddd: *sigh* Good luck with the support then. |
| 18:51.40 | muddd | lol |
| 18:51.51 | nsadmin | port it to oracle :P |
| 18:52.06 | muddd | its mostly for MS Windows servers, but I'm using a debian server |
| 18:52.13 | greycat | hahahaha |
| 18:52.13 | babilen | nsadmin: I doubt that muddd gets to see the source code let alone modify it. |
| 18:52.20 | ranix | it's for a collection agency, just make it connect to a database, select * from foo where 1=1, then dial a random phone number |
| 18:52.33 | ranix | nobody will ever know the difference |
| 18:52.40 | muddd | lol we're talking about bill collectors here, they can barely type |
| 18:53.01 | abrotman | says the guy using 'lol' |
| 18:53.06 | nsadmin | then take their computers away! |
| 18:53.07 | goneaway | jesus, it's like you're building a monument to human misery. |
| 18:53.12 | muddd | ha |
| 18:53.26 | ranix | more like a machine of |
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| 18:53.35 | ranix | a horrible machine of misery |
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| 18:53.58 | greycat | Do you find yourself wondering why people think Dilbert is funny? When to you it looks like an improvement? |
| 18:54.04 | nsadmin | one of the evils necessary to the economy |
| 18:54.12 | goneaway | makes me itchy just thinking about it and I have to babysit a huge number of Win2003 boxes. |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 18:54.36 | ranix | nsadmin: none of those people are ever going to pay those bills |
| 18:54.57 | goneaway | right, just /dev/null instead of wasting time with a db. |
| 18:55.02 | jimcooncat | or answer the phone |
| 18:55.07 | ranix | /bin/false |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | or go talk about it in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:55.17 | greycat | goneaway: /dev/urandom |
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| 18:55.50 | ranix | !moo |
| 18:55.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 18:58.48 | HackeMate | hello |
| 18:59.01 | HackeMate | sudo apt-cache search rhythmbox client |
| 18:59.01 | HackeMate | ario - GTK+ client for the Music Player Daemon (MPD) <- is that want i need for manage the rhythmbox via console? |
| 18:59.21 | HackeMate | i remember some time ago i got it, the command were rhythmbox-client |
| 18:59.22 | greycat | By the way, you can use apt-cache search without sudo. |
| 18:59.25 | HackeMate | but now i cant find that package |
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| 18:59.43 | HackeMate | right, i didnt knew it greycat, thanks |
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| 19:00.10 | Titan8990 | is sudo EVER configured by default in debian? |
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| 19:00.28 | abrotman | hopefully ont |
| 19:00.29 | emil | Titan8990, i do not think so |
| 19:00.35 | HackeMate | is not |
| 19:00.37 | goneaway | sudo is ubuntu poison usually. |
| 19:00.41 | HackeMate | i did configured it, but why is not by default? |
| 19:00.43 | HackeMate | is useful |
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| 19:00.54 | HackeMate | at least i like it :p |
| 19:01.00 | HackeMate | and i dont like ubuntu at all |
| 19:01.03 | greycat | goneaway: no, it's commonly used everywhere |
| 19:01.03 | emil | it is pretty much a question of politics |
| 19:01.03 | HackeMate | is a debian with scripts |
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| 19:01.21 | Titan8990 | HackeMate, because in a CTF I participated in we cracked someones window's NTLM has which was the same as their password to the ubuntu server.... guess what, it had sudo and we had root access |
| 19:01.23 | HackeMate | dont forget my question please :( |
| 19:01.33 | goneaway | I mean on desktops, single user desktops. on multi-user machines sudo makes sense. |
| 19:01.34 | emil | goneaway, i always install it on debian |
| 19:01.40 | HackeMate | uh? |
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| 19:01.53 | emil | sudo can do things that su just cant |
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| 19:02.09 | HackeMate | well, many of sudoers have the same password for user as for root |
| 19:02.12 | HackeMate | so there is pointless |
| 19:02.16 | Titan8990 | emil, yeah... elevate a user to root with a single password |
| 19:02.19 | abrotman | emil: like? |
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| 19:02.48 | emil | sudo can allow a user to execute only one command as root and no others. even without password |
| 19:03.02 | Titan8990 | so can setuid |
| 19:03.04 | jelly | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 19:03.04 | judd | jelly: xulrunner-1.9.1 -- sid: 1.9.1.4-1 |
| 19:03.07 | emil | sudo can allow user pelle to run hdtemp but no other commands |
| 19:03.12 | jelly | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 19:03.14 | judd | jelly: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.4-1 |
| 19:03.35 | emil | Titan8990, can setuid allow only pelle and olle to execute that command but not the rest of the users? |
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| 19:04.25 | babilen | jelly: Why not /query the bot or use rmadison? |
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| 19:04.44 | Titan8990 | emil, yes, in combination with other unix permissions |
| 19:04.54 | Titan8990 | emil, I will agree sudo is better in that situation however |
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| 19:05.35 | emil | Titan8990, you would have to mess around with groups and change group ownership of the hdtemp-file |
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| 19:06.05 | abrotman | HackeMate: it's called rhythmbox-client i believe |
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| 19:06.18 | jelly | babilen: good idea |
| 19:06.31 | HackeMate | abrotman: yes it is, but i dont find it |
| 19:06.42 | HackeMate | is there a way/command to know in what package is a certain command? |
| 19:06.46 | bluesceada | where can i configure what my special acpi keys do? They dont do what is in /etc/acpi/events |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | HackeMate: find it in what? Lenny? Squeeze? Etch? |
| 19:06.52 | abrotman | !tell HackeMate about apt-file |
| 19:07.09 | bluesceada | i hate this non-transparency introduced :/ |
| 19:07.16 | abrotman | which oddly is in the rhythmbox package ... |
| 19:07.21 | bluesceada | i want my wireless key to juts toggle bluetooth and nothing else |
| 19:07.30 | bluesceada | of my lenovo x61s |
| 19:07.38 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 19:07.40 | bluesceada | but it always toggles both |
| 19:07.45 | bluesceada | wlan+bt |
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| 19:08.36 | bluesceada | where are those "secret" other config files |
| 19:08.40 | bluesceada | powersaved is not running.. |
| 19:08.43 | bluesceada | just hal, acpid |
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| 19:09.48 | peleczek__ | hello all |
| 19:10.56 | peleczek__ | i use debian lenny and flash is very choppy. i woul like to install only one package from official sid or squeeze repositories- new flash plugin is it possible, if yes how to do it |
| 19:10.57 | ranix | !hello |
| 19:10.57 | dpkg | Hi, ranix! |
| 19:11.02 | ranix | hi dpkg |
| 19:11.02 | bluesceada | hm |
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| 19:13.39 | jzaboo | Hi, anyone who knows how to setup mrtg to load MIBs? |
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| 19:15.10 | osmosis | how do I figure out what package owns a file ? |
| 19:15.12 | ignotus | hello, I have a software source with a debian/ directory in it, what command can I use to get a .deb package? |
| 19:15.31 | ignotus | osmosis: dpkg -L filename, if that is an installed package |
| 19:15.51 | greycat | ignotus: lots of different ways... "debian/rules binary" is one. "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" is probably better. |
| 19:16.00 | ignotus | greycat: thanks |
| 19:16.10 | osmosis | ignotus, nope, that doesnt work. That would be dpkg -L package |
| 19:16.14 | greycat | osmosis: he meant dpkg -S filname |
| 19:16.31 | osmosis | ok |
| 19:16.33 | ignotus | hehe yeah:) |
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| 19:21.34 | sbyrne | Is there a way to allocate a region of memory and treat it as a block device so I can create a filesystem and then files on it? |
| 19:21.41 | asg | sbyrne: tmpfs |
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| 19:22.43 | sbyrne | asg: Thank you! |
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| 19:30.24 | wOPr_tmp | Hello :) - I'm looking for someone that can help me reading the file system of a smart card on lenny: anyone can help me please? |
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| 19:32.33 | soreau | Is there a repo for compiz 0.8.4 that provides emerald as well? |
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| 19:34.05 | joeytwiddle | soreau: someone posted this a while back |
| 19:34.06 | joeytwiddle | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 19:34.42 | soreau | joeytwiddle: That's for old 0.7.9 |
| 19:35.03 | soreau | I thought there was a repo for 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 somewhere |
| 19:35.08 | mesula | My games keep grinding to a halt and then crashing when I run them in conjunction with RAM intensive programs such as Rhythmbox with a 21,000 song collection and Firefox. I only have 1GB of RAM and I have no swap. |
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| 19:35.49 | joeytwiddle | mesula: make some swap! |
| 19:36.07 | joeytwiddle | soreau: grepping logs further, found some stuff you posted, guess that won't help ;) |
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| 19:36.29 | _stack | ho do I force an install of libc6 from the repository? |
| 19:36.31 | soreau | heh |
| 19:36.37 | mesula | joeytwiddle: I'm not using swap because I'm using an encrypted home directory with ecryptfs and I don't want an unencrypted swap. |
| 19:37.05 | _stack | I had an error installing 2.10 and 2.9 is needed for many things |
| 19:37.18 | mesula | joeytwiddle: Is the problem that I don't have enough RAM? |
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| 19:37.53 | mesula | joeytwiddle: If so, I'll spend a few hundred quid on upgrading my motherboard and CPU so that I can install some big DDR2 modules. |
| 19:38.24 | joeytwiddle | well the fact that it happens "in conjunction with RAM intensive programs" convinced me ;) |
| 19:38.41 | mesula | joeytwiddle: I wasn't trying to imply any cause. |
| 19:38.54 | joeytwiddle | you could close firefox when you play, that's what i do |
| 19:39.03 | joeytwiddle | 1 app at a time, DOS style ;) |
| 19:39.08 | mesula | joeytwiddle: I was just trying to accurately describe the circumstances. |
| 19:39.18 | mesula | joeytwiddle: Yeah, I do close down Firefox now. |
| 19:39.27 | mesula | joeytwiddle: But it feels so twentieth century. |
| 19:40.00 | mesula | joeytwiddle: As a modern OS, Linux should be able to multitask. |
| 19:40.00 | mesula | joeytwiddle: I like to browse for walkthroughs, tips, etc when playing. |
| 19:40.17 | mesula | I also like to listen to music with Rhythmbox, download torrents and talk to friends on IM when gaming. |
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| 19:40.21 | jmd | Why is the shared-info-pspp package so terribly out of date? |
| 19:40.27 | greycat | You could create a swap file, but it's not as efficient as a swap partition. |
| 19:40.38 | joeytwiddle | mmm good idea |
| 19:40.42 | mesula | greycat: Actually, in 2.6 kernels it's just as efficient. |
| 19:40.43 | greycat | I'm not sure how one would go about putting a swap file on an encrypted file system. |
| 19:40.57 | mesula | greycat: only /home/mesula is encrypted |
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| 19:41.03 | mesula | greycat: I'm using ecryptfs |
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| 19:41.05 | greycat | Presumably you'd have to delay the swapon until it's mounted. |
| 19:41.22 | _KaszpiR_ | you could use pendrive |
| 19:41.22 | _KaszpiR_ | ;) |
| 19:41.34 | mesula | _KaszpiR_: That's actually not a bad idea... |
| 19:41.50 | tensorpudding | not running a swap is a pretty poor plan... |
| 19:42.03 | mesula | Wouldn't installing more RAM be the easiest and most ideal solution, though? |
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| 19:42.20 | mesula | tensorpudding: It's better than having the police raid my system and get all my data. |
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| 19:42.33 | tensorpudding | also i don't know about ecryptfs but I thought luks did encrypted swap |
| 19:42.41 | joeytwiddle | more RAM > more swap :) |
| 19:43.03 | mesula | It's a 4 year old PC so I guess it's coming up to upgrade time. |
| 19:43.04 | _KaszpiR_ | with 8gb it becomes less important, though ;) |
| 19:43.08 | _KaszpiR_ | but all depends on load |
| 19:43.10 | mesula | I've just upgraded to a 1.5TB HDD. |
| 19:43.24 | mesula | _KaszpiR_: I only use it as a desktop PC. |
| 19:43.34 | mesula | _KaszpiR_: The most RAM intensive program I use is Picard. |
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| 19:43.37 | tensorpudding | 1 GB is tough to to deal with, I stopped using Firefox because it would get slow as hell after running for a while |
| 19:43.38 | mesula | Oh, and games. |
| 19:44.00 | tensorpudding | and also because the development alpha of chrome appeared |
| 19:44.09 | hehu | why are you encrypting swap? what are you trying to hide? |
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| 19:44.18 | mesula | hehu: Illegal stuff. |
| 19:44.21 | goneaway | I think Firefox leaks memory like crazy. Do you have the Flashblock addon installed? Flash is super grabby about resources. |
| 19:44.33 | tensorpudding | if you're going to bother to do disk encryption, you need encrypted swap |
| 19:44.42 | mesula | tensorpudding: ATM I have no swap. |
| 19:44.44 | tensorpudding | since passwords and stuff will be in there |
| 19:44.54 | mesula | goneaway: Nope, but I have Adblock. |
| 19:45.10 | joeytwiddle | google says "encrypted swap" is not unheard of under Linux |
| 19:45.11 | tensorpudding | mesula: use a different browser or buy more RAM... |
| 19:45.16 | thianpa | hi, guys. So i just bought this VPS and the ftp account that has been created dont have the permission to upload to /www dir |
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| 19:45.27 | babilen | What about lvm+encryption and swap within the encrypted vg? |
| 19:45.31 | thianpa | How do i enabled the permission? |
| 19:45.31 | goneaway | mesula: Flashblock lets you selectively enable flash on pages so you don't have ads and crap running. |
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| 19:45.45 | mesula | babilen: It's less nicer than ecryptfs. |
| 19:45.46 | thianpa | do i need to create another ftp account? |
| 19:45.56 | mesula | tensorpudding: I'll save up for 4GB RAM, then. |
| 19:46.12 | nsadmin | authenticated ftp?! you're kidding right? |
| 19:46.15 | tensorpudding | there's opera, midori, epiphany, and chrome has a decently stable alpha |
| 19:46.16 | hehu | they'll still catch you no matter how many blowfishes you throw on your swap |
| 19:46.42 | thianpa | I have the root access. |
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| 19:47.03 | hehu | in fact, encrypted filesystems is the most telltail sign |
| 19:47.04 | DexterF | off topic, but does anyone know how map a truecrypt container with no file system from the command line? |
| 19:47.07 | nsadmin | you should -not- be using plain ftp |
| 19:47.10 | hehu | just encrypt a file |
| 19:47.14 | DexterF | it used to have a "map" option, seems gone |
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| 19:47.26 | mesula | hehu: Aren't double standards illegal? I can't crack DVD CSS so they can't crack my blowfish. |
| 19:47.43 | hehu | they *shouldn't* |
| 19:47.48 | babilen | mesula: What are the advantages? |
| 19:47.49 | mesula | hehu: I have too many files to encrypt. |
| 19:47.50 | hehu | doesn't keep them from doing it |
| 19:47.54 | mesula | babilen: Of ecryptfs? |
| 19:47.55 | nsadmin | doesn't mean they wont |
| 19:48.02 | babilen | mesula: Yes, sure |
| 19:48.03 | eatnumber1 | is there any official documentation on the bridge_* directives in /etc/network/interfaces? There doesn't seem to be anything in interfaces(5) |
| 19:48.09 | mesula | babilen: It's seamless. |
| 19:48.17 | tensorpudding | mesula: there are encryption systems that can do encrypted swap, if ecryptfs can't do it, why not switch? |
| 19:48.20 | mesula | babilen: Used with PAM, I don't have to enter any encryption key to use my PC. |
| 19:48.41 | mesula | tensorpudding: Because I don't like having to bother with entering encryption keys. |
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| 19:49.05 | mesula | I'm pretty damn lazy. Excuse my French. |
| 19:49.22 | eatnumber1 | oh, I found it... bridge-utils-interfaces(5) |
| 19:49.31 | babilen | mesula: Are there any technical advantages? |
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| 19:49.57 | nsadmin | technical advantages to lazyness? |
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| 19:50.43 | joeytwiddle | thianpa: to allo my_user to upload to /www, run: chgrp my_user /www && chmod g+rwx /www |
| 19:50.45 | joeytwiddle | allow* |
| 19:50.48 | mesula | babilen: I don't know. |
| 19:51.14 | thianpa | ok thanks a lot Joelio_ |
| 19:51.15 | mesula | babilen: But it's so much simpler to use than LVM and LUKS. |
| 19:51.19 | thianpa | oops joeytwiddle |
| 19:51.31 | mesula | babilen: I don't ever have to bother remembering any encryption passphrases. |
| 19:51.36 | mesula | babilen: Or entering them. |
| 19:51.36 | nsadmin | thianpa: again you should not be using plain ftp (don't say you weren't warned :) |
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| 19:52.58 | nsadmin | "HELP! someone rooted my box, used it to hack cia.gov and now the govt is suing me!" (ok, so that's pretty extreme :) |
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| 19:53.47 | baggend | Can anyone suggest a 'clean' way of getting the block device that's mounted at a given mount point? Something like readlink, only for reading the block device behind a directory instead of a symlink. |
| 19:53.58 | baggend | (I'm trying to avoid parsing df/mount output) |
| 19:54.08 | greycat | baggend: df /dir |
| 19:54.12 | valdyn | baggend: grub2 ships such a tool |
| 19:54.42 | valdyn | baggend: grub-probe methinks |
| 19:54.47 | greycat | df is easier. |
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| 19:55.07 | valdyn | except that he doesnt want df ( which is stupid i guess ) |
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| 19:55.19 | greycat | He thinks he has to type "df" and parse all of it, instead of "df /dir". |
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| 19:55.26 | greycat | Also: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/094 |
| 19:55.32 | nsadmin | <barbie> parsing is HARD! |
| 19:55.35 | valdyn | baggend: whats wrong with parsing df? its to simple? |
| 19:55.55 | greycat | valdyn: see the caveats on http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/094 |
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| 19:56.34 | baggend | greycat: valdyn: It's just not the right tool for the job. Just because I *can* get the info from it doesn't mean that I should. df is intended to show free space, not parse mount points. |
| 19:56.45 | valdyn | baggend: so use /proc/mounts |
| 19:57.14 | greycat | df is definitely superior to some Linux-only solution like "/proc/mounts" |
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| 19:57.21 | valdyn | or maybe /etc/mtab to be more portable? |
| 19:57.28 | greycat | at least it'll run on half the unix systems in the world, instead of only one. |
| 19:57.35 | valdyn | greycat: is mtab portable? |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | imadev:~$ ls -l /etc/mtab |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | /etc/mtab not found |
| 19:57.51 | greycat | guess not. ;-) |
| 19:58.09 | valdyn | linux best choice is probably /sys, but that is certainly not portable |
| 19:58.16 | nsadmin | one could be enough :P |
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| 19:58.26 | tensorpudding | procfs was borrowed from plan 9 wasn't it? |
| 19:58.45 | greycat | solaris also had a /proc but it's only got processes in it, not other crap like Linux's has |
| 19:59.08 | greycat | I don't know who had one first. |
| 19:59.10 | tensorpudding | hmm, linux's proc was copied from plan9 but proc dates to UNIX 8 |
| 19:59.44 | valdyn | ./proc is being deprecated for many or most things anyway |
| 19:59.53 | tensorpudding | which explains why BSD derived systems don't have it |
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| 20:01.06 | DexterF | I just deleted a 40GB file on an ext3 but still df (and every other program) claims there's only 11GB free on that partition, even after a sync. |
| 20:01.19 | valdyn | DexterF: file is still open? |
| 20:01.24 | greycat | DexterF: some process has it open |
| 20:01.25 | DexterF | what do I need to do to make the freed space available? |
| 20:01.30 | DexterF | valdyn: shouldn't, ill check |
| 20:01.33 | greycat | kill whatever process has it open |
| 20:01.37 | soreau | Does anyone know where to find compiz 0.8 repo for debian? |
| 20:01.48 | valdyn | judd: versions compiz |
| 20:01.48 | judd | valdyn: compiz -- etch: 0.2.2-1 etch-backports: 0.5.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.7.6-7 sid: 0.8.2-6 squeeze: 0.8.2-6 |
| 20:01.50 | nsadmin | if it's open, the delete should have thrown an error message |
| 20:01.56 | tensorpudding | lsof is useful to find out if it's open |
| 20:01.57 | greycat | since you unlinked it from the file system, you can't use fuser or lsof to find out what process is holding it open any longer. |
| 20:02.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: umm, on windows you would be right, never on linux |
| 20:02.16 | greycat | you'll have to use common sense. if the file is an apache log file, maybe apache should be restarted. |
| 20:02.22 | soreau | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 20:02.42 | nsadmin | valdyn hmm, so busy files can be deleted |
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| 20:02.53 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:03.03 | greycat | nsadmin: they can be unlinked. the space isn't actually freed until the last open handle is closed. |
| 20:03.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: thats exactly one major reason why windows had to reboot for everything |
| 20:03.36 | DexterF | valdyn, greycat : yup, app held it open. |
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| 20:03.40 | nsadmin | like installing and removing software |
| 20:04.27 | tensorpudding | 40 gb file..going to guess it was a virtual hard disk file |
| 20:05.06 | nsadmin | or some kind of database, or a movie file, or ... |
| 20:06.24 | tensorpudding | i suppose movie files can get that big |
| 20:06.42 | tensorpudding | but do you delete databases while they're still in use? |
| 20:06.43 | greycat | log files grow without bounds, often. |
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| 20:13.09 | buntfalke | How sould I start debugging this: segfault at 7f94af4bd950 ip 00000037b6a43ad1 sp 00007fff56975a40 error 4 in libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.8.1[37b6a00000+c2000] |
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| 20:13.38 | buntfalke | the size and md5 of the lib is matching the original. shouldnt be broken. |
| 20:15.28 | hark | do you get it even when you do an update? |
| 20:16.49 | simonrvn | i bet s/he does |
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| 20:17.40 | greycat | buntfalke: RAM check? |
| 20:17.45 | hark | then first i'd try deleting /var/cache/apt/*bin and running the update again |
| 20:17.59 | buntfalke | greycat: seems to work properly... |
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| 20:18.50 | buntfalke | the segfault happens when the packagelist is being loaded. so for updates, reinstalls, everything |
| 20:19.56 | simonrvn | buntfalke: aptitude/apt-get -o Acquire::PDiffs=fals |
| 20:20.00 | simonrvn | e |
| 20:21.06 | buntfalke | same |
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| 20:21.15 | buntfalke | hmm. |
| 20:21.36 | buntfalke | goes try memtest again... |
| 20:21.42 | dfinn | really likes the latest version of KDE after not having used it for about 10 years. really nice. |
| 20:21.47 | hark | buntfalke: rm /var/cache/apt/*bin |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | it's odd that you'd only get this from apt, and nothing else |
| 20:22.03 | greycat | dfinn: "latest" meaning 3.5 in lenny? |
| 20:22.21 | dfinn | greycat: no, it's 4.1.x I think. I'm on squeeze |
| 20:22.32 | buntfalke | hark: wtf, that fixed it |
| 20:22.37 | buntfalke | hark: thanks |
| 20:22.40 | buntfalke | but. why? how? |
| 20:22.48 | dfinn | greycat: make that 4.3.x |
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| 20:22.56 | buntfalke | .oO(...isnt that a serious bug somewhere?...) |
| 20:23.11 | greycat | might be, but it's probably going to be very tough to fix if you can't reproduce it |
| 20:23.11 | hark | buntfalke: probably got corrupt |
| 20:23.33 | buntfalke | Hm. |
| 20:23.47 | buntfalke | Well. Thanks guys :-) |
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| 20:25.25 | en1gma | hey all i need to (temporarly) set a static ip but when i reboot i want it to go back to the normal inet dhcp in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/cache/apt/*bin? amazing, never seen those between all those other files |
| 20:25.40 | cusco | hi |
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| 20:25.44 | en1gma | can someone tell me what command to type in a shell so it goes to 192.168.1.2 |
| 20:25.48 | cusco | im at the debian installer right now |
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| 20:25.58 | cusco | it is unable to install the linux kernel |
| 20:26.09 | wooden | en1gma: man ifconfig |
| 20:26.11 | greycat | en1gma: the cleanest way is probably to edit interfaces, ifdown eth0, ifup eth0, then put the file back. |
| 20:26.42 | cusco | it says mkinitramfs: for root missing /sys/block/ entry |
| 20:26.55 | cusco | oh sorry |
| 20:26.56 | cusco | beofre that |
| 20:27.01 | en1gma | greycat cant i just tell it if down then do ifconfig eth1 address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:27.07 | cusco | readlink: missing operand |
| 20:27.17 | greycat | en1gma: if you already knew how to do that, why are you asking us? |
| 20:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | en1gma, you canm but also need to set the route |
| 20:27.25 | en1gma | because it is not working |
| 20:27.32 | greycat | en1gma: (by the way, "nameserver" doesn't go there) |
| 20:27.37 | en1gma | debian has the goofiest network manager i ever seen in my life |
| 20:27.43 | en1gma | yea i mean gateway |
| 20:27.46 | cusco | nameserver goes in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:27.47 | ranix | haha en1gma |
| 20:27.54 | greycat | gateway is done with the "route" command. |
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| 20:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that |
| 20:28.15 | en1gma | i thought gw or gateway can go in the ifonfig eth1 command |
| 20:28.18 | tensorpudding | debian has a network manager? |
| 20:28.32 | en1gma | the network manager in debian is TERRIBLE |
| 20:28.32 | Titan8990 | route add default gw 10.0.0.1 |
| 20:28.33 | ranix | tensorpudding: he means ifconfig |
| 20:28.37 | greycat | en1gma: as I said, the CLEANEST way is probably to edit the file, ifdown, ifup, restore the file. |
| 20:28.37 | hark | buntfalke: i found a lot of old bug reports on this: http://bugs.debian.org/93453 |
| 20:28.49 | tensorpudding | ifconfig isn't just debian...and what's wrong with ifconfig? |
| 20:28.50 | cusco | en1gma: I would just edit /etc/network/interfaces (i didn't read before so I dunno what your problem is) |
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| 20:28.53 | buntfalke | hark: i see, thanks |
| 20:28.53 | greycat | en1gma: if you want to do it with lower level commands, you're free to do so. |
| 20:29.16 | en1gma | i tried to edit the file and it saves with static info yes but the dhco server keeps automatically changing it |
| 20:29.18 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps can somebody help me with compiz or is there a channel for that? |
| 20:29.19 | ranix | en1gma: just fix /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:29.37 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: at least ask a real question |
| 20:29.39 | tensorpudding | en1gma: your dhcp server probably doesn't want you to have a static ip... |
| 20:29.45 | en1gma | ramix read what i just wrote |
| 20:29.49 | bbelt16ag | it can't find my extensions in the my xorg.conf |
| 20:29.50 | en1gma | it dont |
| 20:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I'm not a peep |
| 20:29.54 | bbelt16ag | I will paste bin |
| 20:29.56 | ranix | you wrote a lot of crazy stuff |
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| 20:30.17 | Arrowmaster | if you set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces the dhcp server cant override that |
| 20:30.30 | ranix | en1gma: if dhclient is running you can kill it |
| 20:30.36 | en1gma | there has to be a way without uninstalling dhcp server so i can have a static ip just for like 5mins |
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| 20:30.40 | ranix | en1gma: it will stop screwing with your interfaces |
| 20:30.41 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 20:30.47 | en1gma | ramix i think your onto something |
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| 20:30.50 | ranix | haha |
| 20:30.54 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:30.55 | ranix | I actually ran into this the other day |
| 20:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | 5 minutes doesn't sound very static to me |
| 20:30.59 | en1gma | :) |
| 20:31.07 | ranix | but fixed it without thinking about it |
| 20:31.08 | greycat | Really, if he had just done what I said, he would've been done already. |
| 20:31.10 | en1gma | just need it to flash my openwrt router |
| 20:31.26 | en1gma | i did edit the interfaces file before i ever came in here. |
| 20:31.31 | ranix | greycat: why don't you idle in offtopic |
| 20:31.35 | en1gma | dhcp server keeps its own settings |
| 20:31.42 | ranix | en1gma: no it doesn't |
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| 20:31.50 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.ca/1659959 that's my config. |
| 20:31.57 | cusco | so dpkg errors setting up the kernel image |
| 20:31.58 | en1gma | well its doing something where it dont read the static interfaces file |
| 20:31.59 | greycat | Some DHCP servers do keep track of clients. |
| 20:32.00 | cusco | what do I do? |
| 20:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I don't see that it's so much "cleaner", though (not sure what that's supposed to mean in that case anyway) |
| 20:32.14 | en1gma | brb i got to test it out |
| 20:32.24 | ranix | sigh |
| 20:32.32 | ranix | he keeps confusing the words server and client |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: editing /etc/network/interfaces is easier and simpler and faster than trying to teach him the syntax of the ifconfig and route commands, and the nature of IP routing |
| 20:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that I can agree to |
| 20:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | although not much if I'd been on my laptop where the commands are still in one line in the history :) |
| 20:34.09 | Arrowmaster | bbelt16ag: are you wanting to use TwinView or Xinerama? |
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| 20:36.06 | gioele | hello |
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| 20:36.09 | bbelt16ag | xinerama |
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| 20:36.26 | bbelt16ag | I want to be albe to pull my windows from one screen to another |
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| 20:37.31 | bbelt16ag | did I do something wrong? |
| 20:37.36 | gioele | I'd like to rebuild a package with debuild with a slight change. I have been able to rebuild it, but I forgot to change the version number; I'd like to append a "~gioele0" after the version. Is changing the changelog all I need to do? |
| 20:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 20:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | debuild? |
| 20:39.05 | bbelt16ag | :( |
| 20:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all if you're using dpkg-buildpackage... dunno about debuild |
| 20:39.17 | Arrowmaster | bbelt16ag: in the Files section try adding ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" |
| 20:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that only calls dpkg-buildpackage anyway |
| 20:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and does some additional stuff for uploading to a repro |
| 20:41.03 | greycat | Is a repro where packages create baby packages? |
| 20:41.06 | Cope | Have any of you folk had any success using the Brightbox Apt Repository, to provide recent rubygems, passenger etc? |
| 20:41.37 | gioele | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, debuild |
| 20:41.37 | bbelt16ag | ok going to go try Arrowmaster |
| 20:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, don't tell me you've never seen that happen... |
| 20:43.30 | greycat | I see packages that break apart into lots of smaller packages, all the time, but I didn't have any overwhelming desire to watch the process. |
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| 20:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably rule 34 applies |
| 20:44.11 | gioele | anyway, I got my packages with the added "~gioele0" tag. Now I have moved them in /tmp/repo/bin together with a Packages file created with dpkg-scanpackages. In sources.list I have deb file:///tmp/repo bin/ but apt-cache policy does not show my ~gioele0 package, only the original version |
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| 20:45.29 | Arrowmaster | did you run apt-get update yet? |
| 20:45.33 | xoz | really wonders why everytime there is a new installer release of ubuntu, they reinstall their system. what? they don't really optimize the strength of apt system for distupgrade. |
| 20:45.51 | greycat | ask #ubuntu... |
| 20:46.11 | bbelt16ag | didn't work |
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| 20:46.13 | gioele | Arrowmaster: yes, aptitude btw |
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| 20:47.04 | gioele | Arrowmaster: aptitude says it has been downloaded fine |
| 20:47.14 | xoz | just thinks it is quiet anti-principle of apt :) |
| 20:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you check if it's found |
| 20:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's ok as long as it's quiet |
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| 20:49.29 | gioele | CutMeOwnThroat: it was yellow in the curses interface. Anyway I have /var/lib/apt/lists/_tmp_repo_bin_Packages |
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| 20:52.14 | moskvat | I can not configure the pop3 and smtp on squirrel, someone can help? |
| 20:52.58 | Titan8990 | moskvat, first question... does the SMTP and pop3 server work w/o squirrelmail? |
| 20:54.10 | greycat | squirrelmail is a web application that talks to an IMAP server. |
| 20:54.32 | moskvat | Titan8990, I have also installed postfix? |
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| 20:54.49 | greycat | I think it might also use /usr/sbin/sendmail or possibly localhost:25 to send mail. Not sure about that. I don't see how POP3 would be involved at all. |
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| 20:55.35 | Snadder | !testing |
| 20:55.35 | dpkg | testing is, like, a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 20:56.01 | abrotman | Snadder: you can msg the bot |
| 20:56.07 | Snadder | Ok |
| 20:56.29 | Titan8990 | moskvat, you need to configure you mail server to work before you stack webmail on top of it |
| 20:56.51 | abrotman | that's crazy talk |
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| 20:56.57 | Snadder | Anyone know if firefox3.5 is in testing? |
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| 20:57.08 | greycat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 20:57.08 | judd | greycat: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.4-1 |
| 20:57.09 | Titan8990 | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 20:57.09 | judd | Titan8990: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.4-1 |
| 20:57.25 | jelly-home | judd, you're repeating yourself |
| 20:57.25 | moskvat | Titan8990, oh my god |
| 20:57.25 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "you're" is not a valid command. |
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| 20:57.37 | Titan8990 | moskvat, ehh, what? |
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| 20:58.43 | N3tw0rK | any idea why im getting a kernel panic on boot when my interfaces are unplugged? |
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| 20:58.59 | abrotman | N3tw0rK: with which kernel? |
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| 20:59.43 | N3tw0rK | stock lenny amd64, i can get the exact version once i reboot it again |
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| 21:02.37 | abrotman | N3tw0rK: you'll probably want to plug it in, and then give us your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 21:05.57 | N3tw0rK | kernel 2.6.26, i thought it might be the interfaces file. i set both interfaces to auto but its a blade center. so the internal switch doesnt connect the ports until they are done spanning. and it says IP-Config: eth0 hardware address XXXXXXXXXXXX bnx2: eth0 NIC SerDes Link is Down.....then it panics |
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| 21:07.40 | debian_newcomer | Good evening everyone, I need somehelp regarding to debian 5.0.3 amd64 install |
| 21:07.51 | N3tw0rK | debian_newcomer: lol me too :) |
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| 21:08.15 | N3tw0rK | debian_newcomer: whats yours? |
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| 21:08.35 | debian_newcomer | first stupid question: is amd64 is the right release for AMD based processor,like Athlon 64 series |
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| 21:09.11 | tensorpudding | debian_newcomer: if you have a 64-bit processor by AMD or Intel, then amd64 is suitable |
| 21:09.12 | Titan8990 | debian_newcomer, amd64 is for 64bit architectures. it is supported by the athlon 64 series but that does not make it the best choice |
| 21:09.14 | debian_newcomer | ? |
| 21:09.28 | debian_newcomer | Titan: What do you recommend? |
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| 21:09.49 | greycat | If you're going to be using lots of desktop applications, i386 might be more compatible with weird software. |
| 21:10.08 | tensorpudding | there is no real disadvantage to using amd64 as far as compatibility anymore |
| 21:10.09 | greycat | Or especially if you're using strange wireless network interfaces that require Windows drivers, etc. |
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| 21:10.36 | tensorpudding | though the advantages aren't that significant for standard desktop programming |
| 21:10.48 | debian_newcomer | ok, thank you for the info, so it is better to use the "classic" 32 bit release? |
| 21:11.09 | tensorpudding | i would say no |
| 21:11.17 | tensorpudding | if you can use amd64, use it |
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| 21:12.20 | debian_newcomer | that is problem, I have downloaded the Debian 5.0.3 BIN-1 labelled disc via torrent, but the installation fails |
| 21:12.33 | tensorpudding | there is a 4 GB memory limit or some such thing with 32-bit operating systems though with some extensions you can circumvent it |
| 21:12.48 | debian_newcomer | it says: please insert valid cdrom ( something like this, sorry I am using hungarian settting) |
| 21:13.04 | tensorpudding | debian_newcomer: how far did you get? |
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| 21:13.13 | debian_newcomer | it fails at the beginning |
| 21:13.46 | debian_newcomer | but I think the dvd is correct, the this label is the lets say "basic system" |
| 21:13.56 | tensorpudding | did the installer start, or was this an error in loading the disk |
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| 21:14.43 | debian_newcomer | It is booting, I can select the graphical or alphanumerical method and the languaege, but after that I receive the wrong disc message |
| 21:14.48 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 21:15.13 | debian_newcomer | firstly I think that i have downloaded the wrong disc, but I think the disc image is correct |
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| 21:15.25 | tensorpudding | well, is it i386 or amd64? |
| 21:15.30 | debian_newcomer | amd64 |
| 21:15.36 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 21:15.44 | debian_newcomer | because I have athlon 64 3200+ |
| 21:15.45 | tensorpudding | so it's not a mismatched arch |
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| 21:15.56 | debian_newcomer | I think the architecture is correct |
| 21:16.12 | debian_newcomer | I really don not know what is the problem, currently I am running on suse |
| 21:16.15 | tensorpudding | what exactly does the error say? |
| 21:16.16 | debian_newcomer | without any problem |
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| 21:16.31 | debian_newcomer | something like this: insert valid installing source |
| 21:16.35 | Zagorax | hello, I installed today a debian server and I want control it with vnc, it works if a user is logged, but I want to login via vnc... can someone help me? I found a lot of guide but I think that they are all old becouse they use file totally different from the files that I have... thank you |
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| 21:17.12 | debian_newcomer | I forgot to make snapshot :( |
| 21:17.34 | tensorpudding | does it say what it fails to find? |
| 21:18.16 | debian_newcomer | do, just say incorrect cd drive ( although it is a dvd) please insert valid install source, this is not suitable |
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| 21:18.37 | tensorpudding | that's very odd |
| 21:18.47 | greycat | sounds like it's a broken image |
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| 21:19.07 | debian_newcomer | yes, but the debian installer starts successfully under windows |
| 21:19.08 | tensorpudding | you should boot into Suse and check the md5 sum |
| 21:19.09 | greycat | either that, or the kernel just can't find your CD/DVD drive at all |
| 21:19.22 | debian_newcomer | I also think that the image corrupted somehow |
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| 21:19.33 | tensorpudding | if you didn't check it after you burned the disk |
| 21:19.34 | debian_newcomer | I will check it, that is good idea, thank you very much |
| 21:20.06 | tensorpudding | if the kernel can't find your cd drive it would seem unlikely that suse would have found it either |
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| 21:20.30 | debian_newcomer | no, open suse works fine |
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| 21:20.39 | greycat | unless suse has a newer kernel |
| 21:20.41 | tensorpudding | it could plausibly be a bug in the installer image but i don't know |
| 21:20.53 | tensorpudding | lenny is pretty new though |
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| 21:21.05 | debian_newcomer | greycat: are you sure? the suse relase from september, and debian also |
| 21:21.15 | greycat | what are the kernel versions? |
| 21:21.22 | debian_newcomer | good question |
| 21:21.25 | tensorpudding | lenny stable was released early this year |
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| 21:21.31 | greycat | lenny has 2.6.26 |
| 21:21.32 | tensorpudding | it has 2.6.26 |
| 21:21.32 | nvz | if I LVM 3 drives together to make a 1TB or so partition does that nessicarily mean failure of any one disk will render all data on that filesystem useless? Or is the possibility of recovery? |
| 21:22.00 | debian_newcomer | Linux 2.6.27.37-0.1-default x86_64 |
| 21:22.08 | tensorpudding | that's for suse? |
| 21:22.09 | debian_newcomer | I think this is the kernel version |
| 21:22.11 | debian_newcomer | yes |
| 21:22.20 | tensorpudding | so it's a little newer |
| 21:22.28 | tensorpudding | how old is the hardware? |
| 21:22.28 | debian_newcomer | I agree |
| 21:22.34 | adb | !kmuto |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 21:22.39 | debian_newcomer | it is not a new one:) |
| 21:22.44 | adb | debian_newcomer, try it ^^^ |
| 21:22.51 | debian_newcomer | 3 or 4 years old :) |
| 21:23.21 | tensorpudding | well, as far as cdrom drive support, linux is very good at it and i'd be surprised if 2.6.26 can't load it due to a driver problem or somesuch |
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| 21:23.43 | debian_newcomer | I am also suprised...but in this case this is negative :( |
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| 21:24.38 | debian_newcomer | ok, I will try, thank you again for the help, really |
| 21:24.41 | debian_newcomer | bye everyone |
| 21:25.46 | greycat | tensorpudding: I disagree. There are plenty of newer motherboards with SATA chipsets that the 2.6.26 kernel can't find. |
| 21:26.02 | greycat | If his CD is on SATA (which is common now) then he might need a newer kernel to see it. |
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| 21:28.11 | tensorpudding | his computer is 3-4 years old, which makes the possibility that the chipset isn't supported in 2.6.26 a little bit less likely |
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| 21:32.38 | macrobat | do all sata cd drives work with linux? |
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| 21:33.57 | Titan8990 | thats a good question.... I wouldn't think that its dependent on the storage controller but it may be |
| 21:34.43 | tensorpudding | i'm thinking you just need a driver for the sata controller |
| 21:35.10 | tensorpudding | i haven't had a computer with a dvd drive in a while |
| 21:35.28 | Zagorax | if I start vnc4server with ssh, than I'm able to connect via vnc, how to start vnc4server at the startup? |
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| 21:45.19 | wOPr_tmp | Hello :) - I'm looking for someone that can help me reading the file system of a smart card on lenny: anyone can help me please? |
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| 21:45.35 | babilen | !ask |
| 21:45.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:47.55 | DOI-Mike | I'm trying to setup xrandr. If I'm using two monitors with different resolutions (1680x1050 and 1280x1024), should I set Virtual to 2960x1050 or 2960x1024? |
| 21:48.31 | dutchfish | DOI-Mike, the sum of weight and the largest height or vice versa |
| 21:48.39 | dutchfish | s/weight/height |
| 21:48.52 | DOI-Mike | What is weight? |
| 21:49.14 | dutchfish | DOI-Mike, example 2960x1050 |
| 21:49.50 | DOI-Mike | Thanks. |
| 21:49.52 | dutchfish | DOI-Mike, or 1680 x 2074 |
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| 21:56.14 | joeytwiddle | the new kernel in lenny wouldn't boot. it said "Loading, please wait ..." i waited 90 seconds |
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| 21:57.20 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, it might be that the initrd making went wrong? did you check that before reboot? |
| 21:57.25 | ehazlett | greetings... ext4 trouble... i can mkfs.ext4 fine, but when i try to mount it i get "unknown filesystem 'ext4'" any ideas? |
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| 21:57.44 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, or the system is doing fsch becaus eits up more then 30 days |
| 21:58.06 | joeytwiddle | ok dutchfish. it did build an initrd but maybe something went wrong there |
| 21:58.11 | dutchfish | s/fsch/fchk |
| 21:58.18 | joeytwiddle | this was right at the start, not as far as fsck imo |
| 21:58.34 | greycat | The time-between-fscks is much longer than 30 days. |
| 21:58.35 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, you have another kernel installed? |
| 21:58.48 | joeytwiddle | only for gentoo |
| 21:58.55 | joeytwiddle | maybe i should admit, i'm still using lilo ;) |
| 21:58.57 | greycat | Pretty sure it's somewhere between 180 and 365 days. |
| 21:59.10 | jimcooncat | ehazlett: sounds like the kernel doesn't know about ext4. Wish I could help, I'm a noob at kernels |
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| 21:59.27 | abrotman | ehazlett: in lenny? |
| 21:59.34 | ehazlett | abrotman: yes |
| 21:59.43 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, i dont know much about lilo, but if you can boot in debian into another kernel you can do update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-foo |
| 21:59.49 | greycat | The lenny kernel doesn't support ext4. |
| 21:59.51 | abrotman | ehazlett: /msg dpkg bpo .. the .26 kernel with lenny doesn't have ext4, just ext4_dev |
| 21:59.52 | ehazlett | abroman: 5.0.3 |
| 21:59.58 | joeytwiddle | thanks, will try that :) |
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| 22:00.11 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, yw |
| 22:00.11 | joeytwiddle | what i actually did was booted into gentoo and apt-got the old kernel ;) |
| 22:00.19 | joeytwiddle | via chroot |
| 22:00.33 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, then you prolly missing the right intrd |
| 22:00.44 | ehazlett | abrotman: gotcha i'm run an xen host, so not too sure about upgrading the kernel... thx |
| 22:00.50 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, also run depmod before the other command |
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| 22:01.14 | dutchfish | joeytwiddle, so initramfs will catch all the needed modules |
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| 22:02.31 | ehazlett | abroman: is there a way to do something like mount -t ext4_dev to get to the filesystem? |
| 22:04.01 | abrotman | ehazlett: you could try, but if you value the data, i wouldn't |
| 22:04.14 | ehazlett | abrotman: gotcha -- thanks again |
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| 22:09.37 | joeytwiddle | right will do |
| 22:10.20 | DOI-Mike | When I add the Virtual line to my Display Screen subection X fails to start. I'm guessing this is because of my xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what specifically. Currently, both screens are just mirrored. My xorg.conf looks like http://pastebin.com/d1884ff4d |
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| 22:11.36 | DOI-Mike | The last time I did this, running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg put a lot more information into xorg.conf. |
| 22:11.42 | karsten | What is the current Debian/Linux way of doing Norton Ghost system image backup/replication/deployment? Still dd? |
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| 22:13.48 | GPSIN1 | yahoooooooooo |
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| 22:16.44 | abrotman | karsten: there is g4l i think |
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| 22:19.08 | pbn | Hi, I'm running testing and it's now a few days that there is anew version of Amarok. With that new version Amarok always crashes on startup with 11 SIGSEGV... any idea on how to fix this ? |
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| 22:20.29 | babilen | pbn: Are there bug reports regarding that? |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | has an obvious answer ... |
| 22:22.05 | babilen | .. that is? |
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| 22:23.06 | bintut | waves |
| 22:23.08 | bintut | in bonding interface on linux, can i just ignore having a switch in between and just directly connect 2 cables between 2 machines that were configured both in lacp mode? |
| 22:24.17 | nsadmin | bintut: depends on your hardware |
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| 22:24.50 | bintut | nsadmin: i got dell poweredge 1950 and dell r300 |
| 22:25.15 | MoDaX | pbn: few days? |
| 22:25.19 | nsadmin | what nics? do those nics support that? have you tried it? what was the result? |
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| 22:30.12 | jekader | hi everybody! |
| 22:30.34 | jekader | am I allowed to ask questions about WINE here? |
| 22:30.54 | jekader | cause the guys at debian-russian didn't actually like that :) |
| 22:31.39 | iceroot | jekader: #winehq |
| 22:32.04 | jekader | iceroot - thx! |
| 22:32.05 | ctmjr | jekader: you can ask in #winehq might be more responsive |
| 22:32.18 | jekader | will they answer debian-specific questions there? |
| 22:32.34 | iceroot | jekader: please dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 22:32.34 | nsadmin | you know, you could just ask |
| 22:33.13 | bintut | nsadmin: http://www.pastie.org/687187 |
| 22:33.28 | jekader | OK, so I'm firs asking you :) |
| 22:33.50 | jekader | I'm installing wine on x86_64 using ia32-apt-get |
| 22:34.24 | jekader | and when I try to install wine-unstable, I get the following output: http://pastebin.ca/1660126 |
| 22:34.37 | jekader | it tells me about conflicts |
| 22:34.38 | abrotman | jekader: hint .. we don't speak russian |
| 22:34.45 | jekader | and installs no binaries! |
| 22:35.26 | jekader | abrotman - start from line 21 |
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| 22:36.05 | jekader | Where do all those warnings come from? |
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| 22:36.07 | abrotman | jekader: i still don't speak russian |
| 22:36.25 | jekader | when I install stable wine, they're not present |
| 22:36.40 | abrotman | jekader: try "LANG=C <command>" |
| 22:37.00 | jekader | abrotman - do you really need all the output? |
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| 22:37.03 | Dawgmatix | anyone running the armel debian distro under qemu ? |
| 22:37.26 | abrotman | jekader: i don't understand any of that .. but i can say "you're running unstable, things break" |
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| 22:37.54 | jekader | abrotman - Ok, will do that now just for you :) |
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| 22:38.59 | jekader | http://pastebin.ca/1660145 here |
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| 22:42.24 | jekader | abrotman ping |
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| 22:48.08 | abrotman | jekader: it seems fine .. but you probably need to actually install wine |
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| 22:48.52 | abrotman | jekader: that package isn't in Debian .. where did you get it ? |
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| 22:52.39 | joeytwiddle | all sorted, was definitely the user's fault and not the kernel's ;) |
| 22:53.17 | macrobat | jekader: i put "deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main" in my sources.list and wine installed just fine |
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| 23:02.55 | jekader | abrotman that's the i386 package |
| 23:03.05 | jekader | installed using ia32-apt-get |
| 23:03.10 | jekader | already solved that |
| 23:03.36 | jekader | the guy at #winehq told me ia32-apt-get is an extinct hack |
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| 23:04.13 | nsadmin | jekader you have an itanium? |
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| 23:08.15 | tonyb486 | Why would getty crash with "Bus error" (an error which it doesn't actually print) whenever the name of a valid user is entered? |
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| 23:08.47 | tonyb486 | Over nfs root |
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| 23:09.52 | tonyb486 | Oh, the nfs server wouldn't let it read /etc/shadow |
| 23:10.37 | fynn | Hey, just to make sure: |
| 23:10.37 | fynn | Whenever a new .deb package is created, it's added to _unstable_. after 3 weeks in _unstable_ with no issues, it is upgraded to _testing_. then arbitrarily (usually after a long time) it is released as part of _stable_. |
| 23:10.43 | fynn | Is that fairly accurate? |
| 23:11.38 | nsadmin | somewhat... except a package in testing could go back to unstable if it develops new bugs |
| 23:12.34 | fynn | cool, so all in all, testing is a good choice for a server that needs to be fairly up to date. |
| 23:12.50 | fynn | the overhead is no more than 3 weeks over unstable, which isn't that bad |
| 23:13.14 | fynn | and otoh, you still get fairly recent software and don't have to wait for months or years for it to hit stable. |
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| 23:13.57 | rudi_s | fynn: IMO you shouldn't use testing for a server, use stable and backports if you need recent software. |
| 23:14.02 | hark | it's not 3 weeks btw |
| 23:14.03 | babilen | fynn: I would not use testing for a production machine. If you... |
| 23:14.11 | babilen | fynn: backports .... |
| 23:14.44 | fynn | hark: how long is it? |
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| 23:15.07 | fynn | rudi_s, babilen: can you explain why? |
| 23:15.16 | fynn | are there specific known drawbacks? |
| 23:15.19 | hark | fynn: i'll get you the link for it. it's more accurate |
| 23:15.30 | fynn | cool, thanks. |
| 23:16.09 | rudi_s | fynn: Well, stable is stable, which normally means less bugs and less problems. It can happen in testing that packages are broken for some time ... normally not something you want for a server. And security support for stable is better. |
| 23:16.28 | hark | fynn: no security support by the security team for one |
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| 23:17.33 | hark | fynn: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 23:17.59 | DONDON | is there an easy way to look up a users info ie: groups they're in, their home folder etc etc etc? |
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| 23:18.42 | babilen | fynn: If you are running a production server you essentially want it to run without any problems. If you *really* need newer software use the packages from backports. |
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| 23:19.19 | rudi_s | DONDON: /etc/passwd and /etc/group and grep .. |
| 23:19.24 | babilen | fynn: The basic idea is that software in "stable" does not change (except for security updates). So you don't need to fear every single upgrade... |
| 23:19.53 | fynn | thanks, the consensus seems to be that for a server, one needs to use Stable with backports :) |
| 23:20.05 | babilen | fynn: Absolutely ;-) |
| 23:20.08 | fynn | btw, where would one use Testing then? |
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| 23:20.17 | DONDON | rudi_s: ty |
| 23:20.17 | Dawgmatix | :) debian stable is stable - unlike some other distros where there are bleeding edge packages ... |
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| 23:20.25 | rudi_s | np |
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| 23:20.28 | babilen | fynn: personal machines |
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| 23:21.45 | Ryan|Desktop | Got a slight problem with my Debian GUI, I'm trying to save RAM so I logged out of the GUI and did /etc/init.d/gdm stop. It must not've worked right, so I tried something else, don't remember what it was, I restarted gdm, I can login at tty7 like I normally can, but tty's 1-6 show a gray screen with a cursor at the bottom, the screen is the screen you get as soon as you start gdm,... |
| 23:21.47 | fynn | babilen: why doesn't the "Stable + Backports" logic apply there too? |
| 23:22.02 | FreakGuard | what's the git package? |
| 23:22.07 | Ryan|Desktop | ...but before the watch. The tty's respond but I can't see anything |
| 23:22.12 | Ryan|Desktop | Can I fix it without rebooting? |
| 23:22.29 | babilen | fynn: It does actually. But some people know Debian and are more advanterous.. |
| 23:22.41 | fynn | FreakGuard: git-core iirc |
| 23:22.56 | babilen | fynn: That said: Testing is actually pretty stable (as in: not breaking all the time) |
| 23:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ryan|Desktop, maybe, maybe not... you could try SVGAtextmode |
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| 23:23.30 | Ryan|Desktop | how do you do that |
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| 23:23.48 | fynn | babilen: cool. is there a really quick way to know which package versions are in which distribution (e.g. what's the Python version on Stable, Testing, and Unstable)? |
| 23:23.48 | SparFux | Hey, my microphone is broken in debian sid. Anybody else seeing this problem? |
| 23:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 23:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | install it, read manpage, run it? |
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| 23:24.19 | Ryan|Desktop | k, lol |
| 23:24.21 | Ryan|Desktop | bbl |
| 23:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | run it from one of the ttys you can't see anything from... |
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| 23:24.47 | babilen | fynn: install the package devscripts and run "rmadison package_name" or query packages.d.o |
| 23:25.09 | babilen | fynn: Or /msg judd in here |
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| 23:25.26 | FreakGuard | extconf.rb:1:in `require': no such file to load -- mkmf (LoadError) |
| 23:25.29 | FreakGuard | .... |
| 23:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | rmadison? that's a short for apt-cache madison? |
| 23:25.54 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 23:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's more apt programs than you can shake a stick at |
| 23:26.53 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: it is a nice little tool (among many others) in the dvscripts package |
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| 23:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | where does it get its info from |
| 23:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's doing http to http://qa.debian.org/madison.php? |
| 23:28.24 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 23:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesnt find scigraphica |
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| 23:30.27 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Looks like "apt-cache madison" and "rmadison" do the related things. |
| 23:30.38 | babilen | s/the// |
| 23:31.00 | fynn | thanks guys. |
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| 23:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but apt-cache madison uses your local database from your last update of what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so rmadison is actually more useful for helping someone in here |
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| 23:35.53 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly |
| 23:37.40 | Masky | I just re-installed debian on my laptop with an Intel GMA X3100 and now whenever I try to start X, I just get a black screen (I can still shutdown the computer by pressing the power button) |
| 23:38.46 | Sevalecan | so. |
| 23:39.38 | Sevalecan | I'm attempting to set up system encryption on debian with luks, and I have no idea how to active the cryptroot script in the initrd and am unable to find documentation anywhere :P |
| 23:40.10 | babilen | !tell Masky -about sysrq |
| 23:40.43 | babilen | Masky: don't know what your problem might be. But that is much better then pressing the power button |
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| 23:41.09 | Masky | when I press power it does a clean shutdown, but thanks for the info |
| 23:42.02 | Sevalecan | when I grab the hammer it does a clean shutdown too |
| 23:42.17 | silvering | very clean, forever |
| 23:43.57 | Sevalecan | :( |
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| 23:55.57 | Cypriot | hi all |
| 23:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, didn't know about it, so thanks for mentioning it in here :) |
| 23:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't call that a "clean" shutdown... if you use your hammer properly, there'll be pieces all over the place |
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