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| 00:00.45 | prince_jammys | a TEC-9 is probably cleaner, though a bit more dangerous |
| 00:01.32 | prince_jammys | also pretty useless for carpentry |
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| 00:17.54 | Owner | hey if i can see the routers around with wicd with my wifi card, does that mean the driver is working and i shouldnt need a new driver or firmware ? |
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| 00:18.14 | Vasistha | Owner: probably |
| 00:18.20 | Owner | i'm tryin to connect to a wpa-psk net tho and the guy says i need firmware update but i don't think i do |
| 00:18.47 | Owner | if i needed a driver it wouldnt see the routers i would think too probably |
| 00:18.56 | Owner | maybe for wpa-psk capability i suppose |
| 00:19.17 | Owner | coz its newer than wep i gues |
| 00:19.55 | Owner | i have a usb trendnet tew-424ub v3 |
| 00:20.02 | Owner | and debian sid |
| 00:20.11 | Owner | it shows up as wlan0 and stuff and appears to work tho |
| 00:20.11 | Vasistha | Owner: hmm, well, it may be that the driver you have does not support wpa in which case they may be right |
| 00:20.30 | Owner | ah ya maybe i will read up on the driver then im using on it |
| 00:20.36 | Owner | its my upstairs neighbour actually |
| 00:20.54 | Owner | i couldnt config the usb adapter i gave hiim and got fed up and came back downstairs |
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| 00:21.03 | Vasistha | Owner: why are you using sid? You like having a broken system? :P |
| 00:21.05 | Owner | he thinks he needs some firmware i dunno |
| 00:21.07 | Owner | lol |
| 00:21.12 | Owner | its not me actually |
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| 00:21.16 | Owner | its my neighbor |
| 00:21.23 | Owner | i'm trying to share my internet with him |
| 00:21.33 | Vasistha | usb adapters often have trouble |
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| 00:21.44 | Owner | i bought it so i can use wifi in vmware |
| 00:23.19 | Owner | hi guys |
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| 00:23.36 | Owner | got a machine running testing and cant get wireless working |
| 00:23.51 | Owner | the driver is rtl8187 |
| 00:23.58 | Vasistha | oh, ouch |
| 00:23.59 | Owner | wondering if i also need a firmware |
| 00:24.20 | Vasistha | I used to have one of those. It never worked very well. |
| 00:24.51 | Vasistha | !tell Owner about rtl8187 |
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| 00:25.47 | Owner | i had the same problem on a friends laptop recently and found i had to install ipw2200 firmware from non-free |
| 00:25.49 | Vasistha | oh, looks like things have improved since then, it's in the mainline kernel! Back when I was using it, the thing would make the kernel lock up periodically. But if it's mainlined then they must have worked some of those bugs out. |
| 00:26.01 | Owner | i wonder if this is the same situation |
| 00:26.06 | Vasistha | Owner: you should check out the wiki entry in that factoid I had dmsg send to you. |
| 00:26.17 | Owner | looking... |
| 00:26.25 | Vasistha | ipw2200 is a completely different driver for a completely different radio |
| 00:26.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmesg? |
| 00:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like you're proposing a new bot :) |
| 00:27.18 | Vasistha | nope. just a typo that was probably interpreted as my intent rather than my words |
| 00:27.36 | nsadmin | who's marrying a bot?! |
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| 00:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you are! |
| 00:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, marry nsadmin |
| 00:27.50 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 00:27.53 | nsadmin | eww |
| 00:27.54 | nsadmin | err |
| 00:27.55 | nsadmin | wee |
| 00:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands nsadmin a couple of blue pills |
| 00:28.57 | Owner | not seeing a wiki entry here... |
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| 00:30.45 | Vasistha | Owner: /msg dpkg rtl8187 and see http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 00:31.00 | Vasistha | Owner: it may be that all you need to do is install the wpasupplicant |
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| 00:31.59 | Owner | got wpa_supplicant set up correctly |
| 00:32.11 | Owner | triple checked multiple times |
| 00:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so at least 9 times :) |
| 00:32.44 | Owner | yep |
| 00:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should try without wpa 1st |
| 00:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | then when you're sure the drivers can do an unencrypted conection, add the wpa stuff |
| 00:34.13 | Vasistha | Owner: well... if you can see wireless networks, but you can't connect to a wpa network, then I can't help but think that you need to be doing something with wpa. /msg dpkg wpa |
| 00:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it seems likely... |
| 00:34.32 | Vasistha | Owner: btw have you attempted to connect to an open (non-encrypted) network? |
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| 00:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
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| 00:47.27 | chomwitt | lenny wont start if i connent a second sata hdd. |
| 00:47.52 | markybob | so dont connent. to not connent is to live |
| 00:48.13 | markybob | hates connenters |
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| 00:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, you... connetist! |
| 00:51.03 | chomwitt | sorry, i meant connect |
| 00:51.36 | chomwitt | aka as plug |
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| 00:52.56 | vchrizz | im using xfs on a raid6 array, "mount: Structure needs cleaning" syslog: http://pastebin.com/deb46288 xfs_check tells to mount, on failure run xfs_repair -L .. should i run it? not sure when looking at syslog |
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| 00:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not supposed to hot-plug those! |
| 00:53.27 | chomwitt | CutMeOwnThroat: i plug it before boot |
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| 00:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | vchrizz, time to play back in those backups? |
| 00:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, and now we're supposed to guess what went wrong? |
| 00:55.43 | chomwitt | CutMeOwnThroat: no. |
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| 00:55.58 | abrotman | vchrizz: there's also a #xfs |
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| 00:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, then we won't |
| 00:56.58 | vchrizz | abrotman: sitting already there patiently waiting for answer ;) |
| 00:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not SO patient, else you'd not have asked here |
| 00:57.44 | thrashold | vchrizz: Any chance you had the write cache of your drives until the failure? |
| 00:58.07 | vchrizz | CutMeOwnThroat, i _am_ patient, well i thought here are more persons who maybe have an idea |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | ohok |
| 00:59.15 | vchrizz | thrashold, i had writecache on before (until now while googling i read in XFS_FAQ to disable it) |
| 00:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | chomwitt, I was hinting that you might supply any errors you see or whatever the last messages are that you see |
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| 00:59.32 | thrashold | vchrizz: vchrizz: I completely baked an XFS partition on a raid5 array because of this. (And 30% of the data was completely unusable) |
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| 01:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... that translates into "xfs is nice" |
| 01:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk, and people make fun of reiserfs |
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| 01:00.49 | thrashold | (That applies only for Linux RAID, and probably LVM. Hardware RAID probably doesn't have such problems, I don't know) |
| 01:00.55 | markybob | way back in the day...i made the first debian installers supporting xfs. the good old days : ) |
| 01:01.47 | thrashold | CutMeOwnThroat: What problems ReiserFS had? |
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| 01:02.07 | markybob | thrashold, a lot. sane people dont use reiserfs |
| 01:02.28 | thrashold | CutMeOwnThroat: All filesystem can get corrupted with a RAID and write cache on. Though I'm not sure they would to the extend my XFS did. |
| 01:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, I meant tsk, and people _used to_ make fun of reiserfs |
| 01:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it used to have problems on recovering from a crash |
| 01:03.21 | vchrizz | thrashold, i see... i thought the problem is writecache+journaled filesystems in general? http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_problem_with_the_write_cache_on_journaled_filesystems.3F |
| 01:03.28 | markybob | why would someone want to use a filesystem who's only supporting organization has fallen apart? |
| 01:04.00 | dondelelcaro | thrashold: 9 times out of 10, when someone comes inhere, and their filestsem has exploded, they're using reiserfs. |
| 01:04.08 | Sevalecan | because thats just how we are |
| 01:04.08 | thrashold | markybob: As far as I know ReiserFS is maintained by the kernel guys, which isn't any worse than XFS. |
| 01:04.08 | Sevalecan | ! |
| 01:04.31 | dondelelcaro | there is corruption, and then there is total filesystem destruction... |
| 01:04.32 | chomwitt | CutMeOwnThroat: i boot, i see the grub menu, i choose my lenny entry , and after some boot messages the booting stops in a msg like '..mounting root' |
| 01:04.34 | markybob | thrashold, you would be incorrect. not to mention that "the kernel guys" is illogical. |
| 01:04.38 | thrashold | I have fscked up a ReiserFS partition twice, but that was because I was too clever |
| 01:04.40 | vchrizz | dondelelcaro, really? i was recommended to use reiser instead of xfs if i lose all data |
| 01:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, well... I think I used it back in its unstable phase - IIRC it was the only journaling filesystem you could have with linux back then? I decided on that, when an fsck on an ext2 disk took something like ... dunno 8 hours or so after a crash |
| 01:05.20 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, sure, 6 years ago. it's nearly 2010 |
| 01:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, is it?! |
| 01:05.49 | dondelelcaro | vchrizz: that's my experience. it doesn't mean that one is better than the other, though. (I personally use neither.) |
| 01:06.25 | vchrizz | well what fs should i use if ext3 isnt able to address the space? |
| 01:06.39 | thrashold | vchrizz: How much space is that? |
| 01:06.54 | vchrizz | 14x1,5tb in raid6 |
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| 01:07.31 | thrashold | vchrizz: Make it a RAID-10 and ext3 will address the space :P |
| 01:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually think reiserfs solved the issues causing all the corruption on a crash some years ago |
| 01:07.41 | vchrizz | :P |
| 01:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... I mostly only boot on power-failures and there are plenty |
| 01:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | so guess I'd know if my fs was in shambles |
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| 01:08.46 | jrib | where has rxvt-unicode gone in squeeze? |
| 01:08.49 | thrashold | vchrizz: If you lose your data, you can experiment |
| 01:09.00 | blast_hardcheese | jrib: urxvt, I think |
| 01:09.13 | blast_hardcheese | unless that's different |
| 01:09.16 | thrashold | vchrizz: Put 10 TB data on a reiserfs partition, start a masssive write with write cache on and turn the machine off. Several times. |
| 01:09.21 | vchrizz | sure but with what? my experiments took days/weeks .. not funny to experiment this way |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | vchrizz: but ext3 can address more than 5TB |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | vchrizz: or do you mean filesize of 5TB ? |
| 01:09.58 | \amethyst | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 01:09.59 | vchrizz | actually 17,8tb |
| 01:10.12 | jrib | \amethyst: thanks |
| 01:10.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I've come across a .rar format archive which I can't open. Anyone know how? |
| 01:10.17 | thrashold | vchrizz: That won't guarantee you that it won't get totally destroyed, but at least you'll compare how the event that you probably suffered from would affect you there |
| 01:10.21 | jrib | blast_hardcheese: thank you too |
| 01:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, "unrar" perhaps? (gosh) |
| 01:10.28 | vchrizz | im not sure, cant remember but ext3 didnt use the whole space |
| 01:10.29 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, install the nonfree unrar |
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| 01:10.40 | \amethyst | jrib: apparently it was removed at some point, probably to help along a transition; now it's waiting for a few autobuilers, and the 10-day waiting period |
| 01:10.44 | dondelelcaro | ext3 has a 16 tib limit |
| 01:10.48 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks - too obvious ;) |
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| 01:11.13 | dondelelcaro | vchrizz: I'd either use ext3 or possibly ext4. |
| 01:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's unrar-free, too now! |
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| 01:11.42 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: cool - looking |
| 01:11.47 | vchrizz | thrashold, true, will do that if i really lose all data |
| 01:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if it works.... (seems not so well according to package description) |
| 01:11.54 | dondelelcaro | vchrizz: esp. if I could get away with two volumes (or more) |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | vchrizz: sorry, misread the , |
| 01:12.02 | icebrain | CutMeOwnThroat: unrar free doesn't open RARv3 files :| |
| 01:12.06 | thrashold | vchrizz: ext4 supports upto 1 EiB volumes |
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| 01:12.14 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, which is why he was recommended to install the nonfree package :P |
| 01:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, btw. there's also "unp" which will automagically select the correct unpacker (if it's installed) |
| 01:12.35 | jrib | \amethyst: yep, time to setup some pinning... |
| 01:12.57 | vchrizz | dondelelcaro, thrashold, ext4 isnt production stable i was told? |
| 01:13.07 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: debian is just *too* clever for me :) |
| 01:13.15 | thrashold | vchrizz: Yet if you consider using RAID-10, ext3 will work, too |
| 01:13.17 | Sevalecan | debian is not clever enough for me :( |
| 01:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, that wasn't the point - I wasn't even aware of unrar-free until I just looked it up |
| 01:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, and sometimes, too "free" |
| 01:13.43 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds like you should've kept your comments to yourself |
| 01:13.46 | \amethyst | jrib: I wouldn't worry about pinning |
| 01:13.48 | jpinx-eeepc | goes with free till it fails ;) |
| 01:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sevalecan, perhaps it just acts dumb, though |
| 01:13.56 | \amethyst | jrib: just get the .deb from unstable and install it |
| 01:13.59 | Sevalecan | perhaps |
| 01:14.07 | Sevalecan | I am reverse engineering debian. |
| 01:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, to you perhaps |
| 01:14.17 | \amethyst | jrib: when a newer version is in squeeze, apt will upgrade to that as normal |
| 01:14.18 | Sevalecan | if all else fails (documentation), reverse engineer it! |
| 01:14.19 | Sevalecan | "{ |
| 01:14.21 | Sevalecan | :P |
| 01:14.34 | vchrizz | thrashold, rather than raid10 i would use raid5 (if not raid6) |
| 01:15.15 | jrib | \amethyst: yeah, was going to set it up anyway though so I might as well use it now |
| 01:15.33 | vchrizz | its not very important data.. just backups.. but because its the backup box we need more space less redundancy, so raid6 is quite ok we thought |
| 01:15.35 | thrashold | vchrizz: Oh, are you running an LVM over the RAID? Might also consider wasting some space for snapshots. That way ext3 would handle all the space, and you would have a snapshot of the filesystem in a sane state. Unless there were cases of a massive LVM corruption? |
| 01:16.06 | vchrizz | yes, lvm set up too |
| 01:17.25 | vchrizz | im not sure how much is corrupted, its just two lvs, one data one swap |
| 01:17.29 | thrashold | RAID-5 with 14 disks is a bad idea for backups |
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| 01:17.43 | markybob | raid isnt for backups, period |
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| 01:18.01 | vchrizz | see it as second-backup-box :P |
| 01:18.03 | thrashold | The probability that your backups fail when you need them is too high |
| 01:18.13 | thrashold | markybob: eh? And what is? Bare disks? :P |
| 01:18.24 | vchrizz | i could use raid0 even |
| 01:18.37 | vchrizz | but a little failover is wanted gg |
| 01:18.51 | markybob | thrashold, you just have to google. raid != backup. period. http://www.2brightsparks.com/resources/articles/RAID-is-not-a-backup-solution.html |
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| 01:19.24 | vchrizz | i dont use raid as backup solution btw |
| 01:19.25 | thrashold | vchrizz: I wouldn't leave any backups without some redundancy |
| 01:19.26 | markybob | thrashold, http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/raid-is-not-a-backup/ |
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| 01:22.11 | thrashold | markybob: I can protect myself against user error and operator error with snapshots just fine. Site destruction doesn't concern me if I die together with my PC. So RAID's fine for me :) (With some prayers that I won't suffer from huge software failure that would make the snapshots unusable :D ) |
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| 01:22.38 | markybob | thrashold, if you're relying on prayers, you deserve to lose data |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | what .. no BAARF link? |
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| 01:23.11 | tensorpudding | you can live without backups if you can live without your data |
| 01:23.39 | thrashold | markybob: At my previous workplace with didn't keep any backups, raids, or whatever, we simply had a person to pray against every type of failure that could happen, worked perfectly :P |
| 01:23.40 | tensorpudding | raid protects you against a small number of the different ways that data can get lost |
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| 01:24.05 | tensorpudding | thrashold: faith-based system administration? |
| 01:24.14 | markybob | thrashold, i'm not sure why you're still talking. |
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| 01:24.44 | tensorpudding | not even the staunchest christian evangelical admin would think that prayer is an alternative to backups |
| 01:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | thrashold, what deity? |
| 01:24.56 | thrashold | CutMeOwnThroat: FSM, of course :) |
| 01:25.02 | markybob | i'm a christian. i backup my fucking data, damnit |
| 01:25.24 | tensorpudding | markybob: do you have a rapture ready data backup plan? |
| 01:25.28 | tensorpudding | j/k |
| 01:25.38 | tensorpudding | this shouldn't become a religion polemic |
| 01:25.48 | craigevil | the great spaghetti god protects my pc no need for backups :) |
| 01:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thrashold, I would have guessed on anonia... |
| 01:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | thrashold, err, Anoia |
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| 01:27.08 | thrashold | CutMeOwnThroat: Eh, haven't read them :) |
| 01:27.20 | tensorpudding | all the sysadmins i know (two) are discordians |
| 01:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're not musical? |
| 01:28.46 | tensorpudding | CutMeOwnThroat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism |
| 01:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* I was joking |
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| 01:32.43 | anao | hello can anyone tell me the kernel-loglevel is usplash is shown service start and "ok" |
| 01:32.51 | MrLogan | I'm new to Debian - coming from Ubuntu. Is there anyone who can help me get my wireless setup? Debian is not detecting my adapter. |
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| 01:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wireless |
| 01:33.45 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 01:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | take your pick... |
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| 01:35.16 | MrLogan | Thanks |
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| 01:44.27 | brabo | CutMeOwnThroat: hi how are you? |
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| 01:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | okish... still gotta find acceptable transportation for tomorrow |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | mule |
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| 01:52.47 | ekipreets | has anyone heard from stew? |
| 01:53.04 | Sevalecan | ok thanks for nothing, I finally got system encryption set up :P |
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| 01:53.44 | Sevalecan | apparently all I needed to do was set up the conf.d/cryptroot config file and do everything as normal. |
| 01:53.58 | Sevalecan | the sad part: I had to let the debian installer install with a dm-crypt setup to find that out |
| 01:53.58 | Sevalecan | :P |
| 01:54.40 | _stack | mhhh how is called the sw under gnome that lets you analize disk occupation? |
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| 01:55.38 | abrotman | boabab ? |
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| 02:05.20 | macrobat | gdmap gives a visual representation of files on disk |
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| 02:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed, but is it "under gnome"? :) |
| 02:07.45 | macrobat | i appreciate its lack of gnome (and kde) deps :) |
| 02:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, it's not what he wanted |
| 02:08.20 | macrobat | haha |
| 02:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't just press your preferred software on people, you know? |
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| 02:09.07 | _stack | I'm not so interessed that it is under gnome or not, just know that there was one under gnome but don't remember the name |
| 02:09.07 | _stack | :) |
| 02:09.28 | valdyn | _stack: "baobab" |
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| 02:10.15 | _stack | ok thanks, but I'll try gdmap |
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| 02:17.05 | evilbulgarian | hi, i upgraded to testing from lenny and am wondering what is an good tool to control the startup scripts now? i used rcconf befor is that still safe? i got some msgs about failing to convert to an dependancy init system |
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| 02:18.03 | Kaonashi | hello, I am using debian sid on an acer laptop |
| 02:18.15 | Kaonashi | and the arrow keys on my keyboard do not work in any application |
| 02:18.18 | logan_ | I'm trying to issue this command - deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free, but I keep getting this error - bash: deb: command not found |
| 02:18.19 | Kaonashi | except for the left arrow |
| 02:18.20 | logan_ | Help? |
| 02:18.39 | Kaonashi | logan_: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | logan_: that's not a command |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | logan_: why are you using eetch ? |
| 02:19.04 | logan_ | Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:19.30 | abrotman | !tell logan_ about contrib |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | !tell logan_ about non-free |
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| 02:20.03 | logan_ | http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945 - I'm trying to set up my wireless adapter. |
| 02:20.25 | logan_ | I'm brand new to Debian. Coming off Ubuntu. |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | right .. see what the bot told oyu |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | you |
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| 02:21.30 | iluminator101 | how do i kill jdownloader, it just froze in the middle of opening |
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| 02:22.55 | abrotman | man kill ? |
| 02:23.16 | prince_jammys | throw in 'pkill' |
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| 02:23.48 | Kaonashi | is the ubuntu-style terminal font in sid because of a new version of bash? |
| 02:24.15 | iluminator101 | killall java does it |
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| 02:27.25 | prince_jammys | Kaonashi: bash doesn't deal with fonts. it's something else |
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| 02:27.51 | Kaonashi | ok |
| 02:28.13 | Kaonashi | and does anybody know why my keyboard is now only half-functional? |
| 02:28.14 | prince_jammys | the font in an X-terminal, or in the linux console? |
| 02:28.26 | Kaonashi | prince_jammys: console |
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| 02:31.54 | iluminator101 | does anyone know 512 jdownloader command |
| 02:32.08 | prince_jammys | Kaonashi: maybe grub2 configuration is involved. console font and keyboard set-up has changed |
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| 02:32.50 | prince_jammys | .. but i don't recall where to look, or to read about it |
| 02:33.40 | Kaonashi | dammit |
| 02:36.43 | Kaonashi | iluminator101: what? |
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| 02:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kaonashi, SVGAtextmode? |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | no .. |
| 02:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | for changing the font |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? |
| 02:38.28 | prince_jammys | i do this in /etc/console-tools/config |
| 02:38.42 | Kaonashi | k |
| 02:38.48 | iluminator101 | jdownloader just hangs in opening just yesterday i opened it without any problems, and i didnt update today either |
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| 02:39.09 | iluminator101 | on terminal last line /opt/JDownloader/config/WEBUPDATE.cfg (No such file or directory) |
| 02:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove it's dotfile? |
| 02:39.56 | iluminator101 | remove dotfile i am not following explain please |
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| 02:41.37 | Kaonashi | wat |
| 02:41.40 | Kaonashi | ok... |
| 02:41.40 | iluminator101 | i forgot x512 jdownloader command does anyone know that command |
| 02:41.42 | Kaonashi | now my keyboard works |
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| 02:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove its configuration for that user |
| 02:44.30 | prince_jammys | Kaonashi: sorry, was wrong about grub2. between grub2 and the new Xorg, i'm pretty confused. |
| 02:44.45 | Kaonashi | prince_jammys: doesn't matter now |
| 02:44.47 | Kaonashi | it all works |
| 02:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse prince_jammys |
| 02:44.48 | dpkg | No, what is my weasel yesterday, prince_jammys? Pants of the People's Republic of Mongolia with extra cream. |
| 02:44.55 | Kaonashi | except for my touchpad's click..... |
| 02:45.07 | prince_jammys | heh |
| 02:45.22 | prince_jammys | i guess grub2 configuration would affect the resolution, not the other stuff |
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| 02:46.27 | prince_jammys | wonders what the ''ubuntu-style terminal font'' was |
| 02:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps asks a silly question in every other line |
| 02:46.52 | Vasistha | Kaonashi: if you're using a synaptics touchpad... I could pastebin my xorg.conf for you. |
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| 02:48.04 | Kaonashi | please.. |
| 02:48.11 | prince_jammys | i don't think i've met an irc bot with dpkg's flair |
| 02:49.17 | Kaonashi | Vasistha: ok |
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| 02:50.12 | Vasistha | prince_jammys: it's a blootbot, but what really makes 'im special is all the wonderful little things he's programmed to say, and of course we have all the members of this chan to thank for that |
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| 02:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "thank" |
| 02:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | (in some cases) |
| 02:52.32 | Vasistha | Kaonashi: http://paste.debian.net/50943/ keep in mind that it has a lot of stuff in it you may not want or need: I would not advise just copying and pasting this into your xorg.conf, you should definitely selectively take only the parts that you need. And I'm not certain it'll work for you. But this one works on my computer :) |
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| 02:53.38 | prince_jammys | there is no configuration file that i despise more than xorg.conf |
| 02:53.40 | acu | I want to use gtk-record my desktop and it works fine - except that I do not know to tell that for audio instead of device DEFAULT I want to use my C-media usb head phone mic - how can I know which device is this C-media |
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| 02:54.42 | Vasistha | prince_jammys: happily nowadays we don't have to use it nearly as much! |
| 02:55.21 | prince_jammys | yes, that's a plus. |
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| 02:55.57 | prince_jammys | i did eventually read xorg.conf's manual, which should have been Step One. |
| 02:56.33 | Kaonashi | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 03:05.42 | nsadmin | prince_jammys: I can fix that... |
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| 03:08.20 | prince_jammys | nsadmin: huh? |
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| 03:08.50 | hatter[2] | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | you have a backup right ? |
| 03:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | prince_jammys, I recommend editing some of sendmails configuration files |
| 03:09.39 | prince_jammys | you mean ... give me a configuration file that's more annoying than xorg.conf? i'm sure it's easy, but i have personal prejudice |
| 03:09.41 | iluminator101 | Ich bin ein Berliner |
| 03:09.52 | hatter[2] | abrotman, yeah, painful reinstall though. |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | iluminator101: english |
| 03:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg.conf isn't bad |
| 03:10.23 | prince_jammys | it'll be like ''oh, another annoying conf file'' vs. ''THIS shit again'' |
| 03:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it was! one of your presidents said that! |
| 03:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was offtopic, though |
| 03:11.38 | nsadmin | prince_jammys: exactly... write a sendmail config file from scratch without macros |
| 03:11.45 | iluminator101 | abortman did you hear about web domain internationalization, its gonna lead truly viral growth in india and china especiall |
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| 03:11.58 | iluminator101 | especially india |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | iluminator101: this channel is for Debian support |
| 03:12.27 | iluminator101 | its called a segway |
| 03:13.02 | nsadmin | no, a segway is this two-wheel thing that has gyros and steers by you leaning |
| 03:13.04 | jmarsden | iluminator101: It's off topic, so please desist. Segways are also off topic unless they run Debian |
| 03:13.28 | nsadmin | I've never asked one what it runs |
| 03:13.44 | abrotman | segue |
| 03:14.37 | iluminator101 | so debian 64bit is that tried and true b/z i wanna install it in my desktop |
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| 03:15.06 | iluminator101 | also minimal install as server does that mean its just a shell or??? |
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| 03:15.41 | nsadmin | well 64 bit has less of an installed base (that's changing) so some binary-only things might not run |
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| 03:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, probably its mouth |
| 03:16.04 | nsadmin | minimal install is enough to run apt-get |
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| 03:17.02 | iluminator101 | so minimal install gnome from that point on then i am up and running |
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| 03:24.29 | macrobat | i dont think gnome is minimal :) |
| 03:24.48 | blast_hardcheese | iluminator101: Why not just install desktop |
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| 03:25.02 | blast_hardcheese | that'll give you a fully running system that you can just use, then tweak from there |
| 03:25.27 | iluminator101 | blast_hardcheese: true |
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| 03:25.54 | iluminator101 | maemo is basically just stripped down debian, did anyone preorder n900 |
| 03:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | #maemo |
| 03:27.25 | abrotman | iluminator101: the topic here is debian support |
| 03:28.13 | blast_hardcheese | iluminator101: Here: tasksel --list-tasks |
| 03:28.25 | blast_hardcheese | then tasksel --task-packages <taskname> |
| 03:28.56 | blast_hardcheese | Those commands (like tasksel --task-packages desktop ) will tell you packages that are installed when you select one of those tasks |
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| 03:29.54 | smacnay | What happened to centericq? I am looking for a messaging app for console. |
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| 03:30.23 | abrotman | smacnay: centerim or finch |
| 03:31.18 | smacnay | abrotman: ah, thanks |
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| 03:35.18 | smacnay | abrotman: I just got the urge to run either fluxbox or openbox... it is like waking up after a long sleep and finding myself naked on a logging road 300 miles from the nearest civilization BUT I have matches, a hatchet, knife, and basic utensils. |
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| 03:35.41 | abrotman | you can still run pidgin |
| 03:36.22 | tensorpudding | twm is like being naked inside a running blender |
| 03:37.49 | tensorpudding | and not just any blender, but a gray-green blender that looks hideous |
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| 03:38.29 | blast_hardcheese | Fluxbox isn't _that_ bad. |
| 03:38.30 | _ohm | is there a command for apt to display all the packages i have installed? |
| 03:38.33 | macrobat | i think i had twm on a puter exam |
| 03:38.39 | smacnay | abrotman: yes, I guess so... |
| 03:39.11 | blast_hardcheese | _ohm: dpkg -l |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | !tell _ohm about installed |
| 03:39.35 | _ohm | thanks |
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| 03:41.20 | tensorpudding | was talking about twm, not fluxbox / openbox |
| 03:41.52 | tensorpudding | which i don't know what urged me to say that |
| 03:42.28 | darrh00 | which splash shall I use?I updated sysv-rc which I holded for a long time,now it stops splashy from working.Is usplash a better choice?Since splashy has not been updated for a long time. |
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| 03:46.09 | peterrooney | tensorpudding: the urge came from the pain behind your left eye remembering twm, which made you forget your usual polite self. |
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| 03:47.35 | tensorpudding | i remember the first time i use twm, i was so frightened i quit X |
| 03:47.36 | iandoh | hi im wondering what version of debian i need, i want to do a fresh install of 5.0.3 |
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| 03:48.16 | sepult | iandoh: why are you wondering ? |
| 03:48.18 | jmarsden | iandoh: Then, logically, the version of Debian you need is 5.0.3 |
| 03:48.21 | iandoh | i know its the i386 verson but what disk |
| 03:48.23 | sepult | that's the question here |
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| 03:48.30 | iandoh | i want to net install it |
| 03:48.34 | iandoh | as my isp has a mirror |
| 03:49.17 | macrobat | iandoh: seems you know what you need... |
| 03:49.25 | iandoh | but is 5.0.3 the latest |
| 03:49.32 | iandoh | ill happily take a work in progess |
| 03:49.35 | tensorpudding | 5.0.3 is lenny isn't it |
| 03:49.44 | smacnay | is fuse still in use? |
| 03:50.04 | abrotman | so get the lenny netinst |
| 03:50.06 | macrobat | with netinstall, you get the latest, even an older netinstall can do that |
| 03:50.21 | smacnay | iandoh: I believe that the first cd has enough to start an install. |
| 03:50.33 | iandoh | yeah but isnt there a beta bulid around? |
| 03:50.34 | jmarsden | iandoh: See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 03:50.41 | tensorpudding | there is squeeze |
| 03:50.50 | tensorpudding | which is the current testing |
| 03:51.15 | iandoh | ill take squeeze then |
| 03:51.19 | iandoh | but can it do a net install |
| 03:51.41 | jmarsden | iandoh: Yes. But... you just said you wanted 5.0.3 ... now you want squeeze instead? What changed in the last 4 minutes? |
| 03:52.02 | iandoh | http://debian.virginmedia.com/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ see there doesnt seem to be a iso there |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | iandoh: use lenny |
| 03:52.16 | tensorpudding | lenny is safe, and fairly fresh |
| 03:52.29 | tensorpudding | it was last updated only back in august or so wasn't it |
| 03:52.32 | iandoh | ok even when i look for lenny there its not there |
| 03:52.42 | abrotman | !tell iandoh about getinst |
| 03:52.43 | tensorpudding | lenny is 5.0.3 |
| 03:53.31 | jmarsden | iandoh: Read the page I gave you, or download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 03:53.48 | Dominicus | I'm concerned with my adding of debian-multimedia to my /etc/apt/sources.lst file, as after I added it, updated the repository cache, and tried a safe-update, I get almost a dozen items that want to be installed, that didn't need to be installed before (and i haven't installed anything from debian-multimedia yet). I've tried pinning things, but everything I've tried, doesn't prevent the dozen items from wanting to be installed. What am I doing |
| 03:53.50 | iandoh | i wanted to use local mirror but ok |
| 03:54.19 | jmarsden | For a smaller initial download, try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 03:54.26 | jmarsden | Read that oage :) |
| 03:54.29 | jmarsden | *page |
| 03:54.30 | iandoh | its not the download speed thats a problem |
| 03:54.36 | iandoh | netisntalls downloaded now |
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| 03:55.36 | joeytwiddle | Dominicus: what things? maybe it doesn't matter if you do install them :) maybe they are more compatible with multimedia stuff! |
| 03:55.49 | joeytwiddle | i think i had the same experience as you btw |
| 03:55.56 | joeytwiddle | i didn't worry about it and haven't had problems :D |
| 03:56.28 | Dominicus | joeytwiddle: But, if I pin things, they shouldn't even register as needing to be installed via a safe-upgrade, AT ALL. So, why are they? |
| 03:56.42 | iandoh | ok burning |
| 03:57.08 | joeytwiddle | ah i'm not strong on pinning |
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| 03:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, perhaps they're security updates that you only saw after you did apt-get update, but not before |
| 03:58.05 | joeytwiddle | if you pin by version number or "level" (stable/testing/unstable), but the ones on deb-mm have the same version or "level" then i guess the pinning won't help |
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| 03:58.13 | joeytwiddle | unless you can pin by actual repository |
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| 03:59.05 | joeytwiddle | i have deb-mm/stable in my sources.list. this offers me their build of spidermonkey-bin and acroread, but most of their packages do look audio/video related |
| 03:59.43 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: I doubt it. I did a "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" before doing anything whatsoever, installed everything, did it again, it come up with 0 packages to install, then i added debian-multimedia to my /etc/apt/sources.lst, and to /etc/apt/preferences for pinning two different ways. The dozen or so, only came into play when I added debian-multimedia, and they don't want to be pinned out of being upgraded. |
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| 04:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, well, pastebin us what packages they are, I'm curious |
| 04:00.33 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: It should be in that pastebin. |
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| 04:02.10 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: My sources.lst had only pure debian lenny sources (mind you it also had contrib and non-free), but debian-multimedia is the only third party sources I added that caused all the pinning misbehavior. And, for as much as I try to findn out why it's pinning a certain way, I don't know why aptitude is choosing what it wants to... and thus gives me that dozen or so items to install. |
| 04:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | as far as I know this can't happen... you have a default or a priority in /etc/apt/preferences and things outside the default are only being upgraded to if the package version is already higher than the one in the default repro |
| 04:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, it should be in which pastebin? I don't see you pasting an URL |
| 04:04.11 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: 22:58 ...... http://pastebin.ca/1660493 |
| 04:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the first time you paste this in this channel |
| 04:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least for the length of my lastlog |
| 04:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not crossposting, are you? |
| 04:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libmp3lame0 |
| 04:06.51 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libmp3lame0 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4 sid-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.5 squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.5 |
| 04:06.59 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh sorry. I forgot. Irssi, doesn't like things of a certain length, and it truncates it, instead of splitting it to a second message. I have to go out of my way to download that specialty script, and this is a new box. *sigh* |
| 04:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libamrnb3 |
| 04:07.43 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libamrnb3 -- lenny-multimedia: 7.0.0.2-0.1 sid-multimedia: 7.0.0.2-0.1 squeeze-multimedia: 7.0.0.2-0.1 |
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| 04:07.54 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: crossposting? |
| 04:08.06 | devin | anyone using squeeze? |
| 04:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I wondered where you had pasted that URL :) |
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| 04:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, what does dpkg -l libamrnb3 libamrwb3 libdirac0 libfaac0 libmp3lame0 libschroeding |
| 04:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | er\* libx264\* libxvidcore4\* say? |
| 04:09.16 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: LOL. No. Just bitten by an old irssi shortcoming. Not the first time that's happened. |
| 04:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, without the newline... dpkg -l libamrnb3 libamrwb3 libdirac0 libfaac0 libmp3lame0 libschroedinger\* libx264\* libxvidcore4\* |
| 04:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, good to know... I'll feed that to the people telling me I should use irssi instead of xchat :-P |
| 04:10.58 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. for a while i thought irssi was kind. But, I repeatedly find the chink in the armor with that truncation bug. |
| 04:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, do you see a load of 'ii' at the start of the line? |
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| 04:11.56 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.ca/1660512 |
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| 04:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... e.g. a version <7.0.0.2-0.1 for libamrnb3 |
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| 04:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, stupid me.. .aptitude already said those are newly installed |
| 04:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libavcodec51 |
| 04:13.41 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libavcodec51 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
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| 04:13.58 | devin | I'm trying to add a usplash theme, but the problem is, I'm not certain where the config file is in grub2 need to add splash to the kernel line |
| 04:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | barking up the wrong side of the tree |
| 04:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libavformat52 |
| 04:14.31 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libavformat52 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091021-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091101-0.0 |
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| 04:16.43 | mesaGL | i found conflicts and badness in the multimedia repos. so i got just the stuff i need, and pinned it, and turned the repos off again |
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| 04:17.11 | mesaGL | the whole libav* is broken on multimedia |
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| 04:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, so what does dpkg -l libavcodec51 libavformat52 libavutil49 libpostproc51 say? |
| 04:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have the versions judd gave for lenny for the two I queried |
| 04:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libavutil49 |
| 04:20.20 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libavutil49 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 |
| 04:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libpostproc51 |
| 04:20.29 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libpostproc51 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091021-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091101-0.0 |
| 04:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, I wonder if that's a bug or... err.. "undocumented feature" connected with the version numbers used in this case |
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| 04:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | all packages have a version 0.svn in lenny... and something like 3:[0-9] in debian-multimedia |
| 04:22.03 | rizza | solid complete tutorial for postfix on debian lenny? |
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| 04:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, actually - did you also try apt-get upgrade? |
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| 04:23.31 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: This is at least more informative, but I'm not sure how to interpret it. http://pastebin.ca/1660525 And, I've been using safe-upgrade, as aptitude (via cli) always tells me that the upgrade argument is deprecated. |
| 04:23.41 | LobbyZ | Err |
| 04:23.56 | LobbyZ | Why is it that when i install PHPMYADMIN, the folder won't show up? |
| 04:24.32 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: "apt-get upgrade" gives a slightly different response: http://pastebin.ca/1660532 |
| 04:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, yeah, my fault - aptitude already said in your 1st pastebin that those are not present on your system |
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| 04:26.13 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Don't mind me. I'm willing to humor anything, because I'm at a complete loss over why it still wants me to install stuff from debian-multimedia despite what I've tried. lol. I come here to you guys as my brain bank, when I can't figure the stuff out on my own after a handful of tries. =) I just assume you guys have gotten to see all the weird stuff first hand. |
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| 04:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libavacodec51 |
| 04:28.12 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libavacodec51 -- |
| 04:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, typo |
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| 04:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd is lagging a bit there - lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 , while I get lenny: 0.svn20080206-18 and lenny-security 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 |
| 04:30.31 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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| 04:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what's weird with what I get with "apt-cache madison libavcodec51" is... |
| 04:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can debian-security have a lower version number (0.svn20080206-17+lenny1) than lenny (0.svn20080206-18) |
| 04:31.35 | LobbyZ | Why does not phpmyadmin get setup correctly when you apt-get it? It does not show in /var/www |
| 04:32.02 | jmarsden | LobbyZ: Did you read the README.Debian file that comes with it? |
| 04:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, so do you get the same behavior with apt-get upgrade or not? |
| 04:32.18 | LobbyZ | jmarsden, where is that? |
| 04:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmarsden, may I guess?! |
| 04:32.34 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: You may :) |
| 04:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmarsden, "no" |
| 04:33.23 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: They both want to install new packages and upgrade packages that I never told it to, despite "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-ugprade" running to completion and having nothing additional to install. So, yeah... they're both weirded out in relatively the same way. |
| 04:33.38 | abrotman | LobbyZ: it's not supposed to |
| 04:34.13 | jmarsden | LobbyZ: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
| 04:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, well, I wondered if it's a bug in aptitude... |
| 04:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | they do have different code to resolve dependencies, perhaps also to select the repository |
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| 04:37.47 | Oleg_ | Please help. My server is running Debian Lenny, so I put startxfce4 in the xstartup file for vnc, but when I login through a vnc viewer, xfce4 doesn't load |
| 04:37.48 | Oleg_ | why? |
| 04:40.54 | Oleg_ | nobody here has any idea why it happens? |
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| 04:44.47 | Oleg_ | no one here can help me? |
| 04:44.53 | Snadder | With what tool can I see the network card usage? |
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| 04:45.44 | GhostlyDeath | For the Poptop VPN Server (pptpd), is there a way to allow both MSCHAP-v1 and MSCHAP-v2 and require encryption for both |
| 04:46.10 | jmarsden | Snadder: ifconfig to see the interfaces, tcpdump or ntop or wireshark or several others for looking at actual network traffic... |
| 04:46.52 | abrotman | Snadder: jnettop,iftop |
| 04:48.23 | GhostlyDeath | trying to get my Windows Mobile clients connected to the VPN without sacrificing the security of my other clients |
| 04:48.24 | Snadder | Ok, thanks |
| 04:48.54 | Snadder | Anyone know if iostatsvctm |
| 04:48.56 | Snadder | ops |
| 04:49.51 | Snadder | Anyone know if iostat's svctm measure the time from a requests comes in(eg from nfs).. and to its served? |
| 04:50.20 | Snadder | sometimes my svctm is very hight.. so i'm wondring if it can be a nfs problem or not |
| 04:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, a) is "-1" valid for pinning? (try a low positive number if also unsure) and... hmmmm... perhaps run dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache madison |grep multimedia - you said you don't have *any* packages from debian-multimedia, I wonder if this shows more packages that could be upgraded to dmm versions (if that's the case, it's a bug probably connected with those 0.svn version numbers - it's a weird coincidence that all pa |
| 04:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ckages have such a version) |
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| 04:51.54 | jmarsden | GhostlyDeath: I'm not sure, but I'd try refusing all the less secure possibilities so the ones left are just mschap and mschap-v2 man pppd has all those options, as I am sure you know already :) |
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| 04:52.32 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, -1 is supposed to be a valid value, it's supposed to ignore ALL packages from a repository, unless specifically requested in the cli last I read it just a little bit ago. I'll try it with a low number just for giggles. |
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| 04:53.13 | luke3321 | Anyone know the name of the program that gets the include dir for a library? |
| 04:53.35 | abrotman | like locate, but only for libraries ? |
| 04:53.43 | luke3321 | abrotman: kinda |
| 04:53.46 | Snadder | Its like this.. webserver<-->nfs server and on the nfs server the svctm (time it takes to serve a io request) is like 1000 milli seconds some very few times. |
| 04:54.25 | luke3321 | abrotman: As I recal, you pass it the name of the library and it prints out the flags to pass to gcc (or g++) to compile |
| 04:54.29 | luke3321 | with that lib |
| 04:54.40 | abrotman | oh . you've used one .. |
| 04:55.01 | abrotman | luke3321: is it C/C++ ? |
| 04:55.05 | Snadder | Does that mean the problem could be nfs related?.. maybe it takes long time before an io request is delivered back to the webserver.. and thats why so many io requests is queued up? |
| 04:55.11 | pickcoder | luke3321: ldd? |
| 04:55.15 | luke3321 | abrotman: Yes |
| 04:55.26 | abrotman | pickcoder: but that's the fullpath ? |
| 04:55.33 | luke3321 | pickcoder: Nope, not it. Isn;t that the linker? |
| 04:55.50 | pickcoder | it shows the link tree, yeak |
| 04:55.54 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 04:56.22 | abrotman | i was just going to suggest ot ask ##c or ##c++ .. i've not heard of such a tool |
| 04:57.03 | luke3321 | Hmm... Well I'll let you know if I find it... I always find it, then forget it and have to hunt it down all over again haha |
| 04:57.23 | jmarsden | luke3321: pkg-config maybe what you are thinking of? |
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| 04:57.41 | luke3321 | jmarsden: And I think we have a winner |
| 04:58.00 | luke3321 | yep |
| 04:58.02 | luke3321 | thats it |
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| 04:58.19 | module000 | luke3321: you are thinking of pkg-config |
| 04:58.35 | lotus-blade | anyone install java from the sun .sh files? |
| 04:58.42 | luke3321 | Yes I am, now I just need to etch that into my hand ;) |
| 04:58.44 | abrotman | !install java |
| 04:58.44 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. Etch users: ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 04:58.45 | module000 | luke3321: ie 'gcc somegtkapp.c `pkg-config gtk2`' and it drops in all your -I's and whatnot for gtk2 |
| 04:59.12 | luke3321 | module000: And that is exactly the case I am using it for haha |
| 04:59.13 | lotus-blade | I am getting can not execute binary |
| 04:59.50 | module000 | luke3321: i use it for gtk apps also..all those includes and whatnot are a pain otherwise, you have 2 lines of syntax to compile |
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| 05:00.05 | luke3321 | module000: mhm |
| 05:00.38 | luke3321 | "Package gtk2 was not found in the pkg-config search path" |
| 05:00.42 | luke3321 | dang it |
| 05:00.56 | luke3321 | I hate gtk |
| 05:01.00 | luke3321 | But I also love it so |
| 05:01.02 | module000 | luke3321: it's more than just "gtk2", it's a longer name, i was just using that as an example |
| 05:01.17 | luke3321 | curl does that as well |
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| 05:01.21 | luke3321 | they all do... |
| 05:02.02 | jmarsden | luke3321: Try installing libgtk2.0-dev and using that |
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| 05:02.45 | luke3321 | no can do |
| 05:02.54 | luke3321 | (that was already installed anyway) |
| 05:03.01 | luke3321 | Wait.... |
| 05:03.10 | Xuzz | I'm writing a script that uses apt-get install to install a package. How would I get apt-get to put out a progress string of the download so I can parse and use that to update my progress bar? |
| 05:03.18 | luke3321 | Didn't Debian opt to stop shipping .pc files that make pkg-config work? |
| 05:03.30 | module000 | luke3321: no, i usem |
| 05:03.31 | Xuzz | (without creating a proxy program with libapt) |
| 05:03.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xuzz: afaik you don't |
| 05:03.46 | luke3321 | module000: huh. dunno what up here then |
| 05:04.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xuzz: other then the %countdown you get anyway |
| 05:04.15 | module000 | luke3321: you need to type the right pkg-config args, use this: gcc yourprogram.c `pkg-config --clflags gtk+-2.0` |
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| 05:04.29 | Xuzz | Kamping_Kaiser: Thats perfecfly fine, but I don't get that when I do "apt-get install PACKAGE > file.txt", I don't ever see any percentages. |
| 05:04.31 | module000 | luke3321: --cflags |
| 05:04.50 | luke3321 | module000: Damn, I had all of that but the "+" |
| 05:05.03 | module000 | luke3321: check out http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/gtk-compiling.html if you need any more pkg-config flags that are gtk related |
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| 05:05.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xuzz: dunno. i get the progress indicators when instaling in a terminal :/ |
| 05:06.23 | Xuzz | Kamping_Kaiser: I get it too, I just don't get it when I'm reading it in with my script. |
| 05:07.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xuzz: I don't knwo what magic its pulling there. |
| 05:07.32 | Xuzz | possibly it is "backing up" to replace its own printed text. |
| 05:07.42 | Xuzz | let me try piping it to something that displays it asap |
| 05:08.27 | luke3321 | module000: Ah. curl wasn't working because curl isn't installed (at least the dev package isnt) |
| 05:08.32 | luke3321 | this is a fresh install |
| 05:08.38 | luke3321 | still configuring it ;) |
| 05:09.43 | lotus-blade | where is libstdc++.so.5? |
| 05:09.58 | luke3321 | /usr/lib? |
| 05:10.01 | luke3321 | (a guess) |
| 05:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell lotus-blade -about apt-file |
| 05:10.10 | lotus-blade | no what package |
| 05:10.25 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: or dlocate (its faster (to me...)) |
| 05:10.38 | Xuzz | http://pastie.org/private/7lsi4d4f3g3bjnpj6sepg << Kamping_Kaiser thast the weird ouput from cat |
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| 05:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, only works if you have it, and the database is up-to-date, though |
| 05:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libstdc++5 |
| 05:11.07 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libstdc++5 -- etch: 1:3.3.6-15 lenny: 1:3.3.6-18 |
| 05:11.14 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: True |
| 05:11.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xuzz: dunno sorry :9 |
| 05:11.30 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I tried replacing the -1 value with 3 instead. Same problem. Here's me trying most of everything again, just to be sure: http://pastebin.ca/1660574 |
| 05:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | lotus-blade, did you read the factoid?! |
| 05:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | lotus-blade, it's gone from squeeze onwards, though |
| 05:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, so âI use dlocate myself if possible, but much more often refer people to apt-file :) |
| 05:12.19 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: I even tried removing the one package that I did install, via a dpkg --purge command. It was the debian-multimedia-keyring, and it didn't resolve anything. I guess I should file a bug? |
| 05:13.12 | luke3321 | CutMeOwnThroat: I could see how the constant explanation could get repatative |
| 05:13.42 | nevyn | glares at dpkg |
| 05:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | luke3321, just trying to give the command that will give results with depending on the least amount of things... |
| 05:15.00 | luke3321 | that as well... and dlocate seems to be a bit more picky about your search strings |
| 05:15.16 | luke3321 | but that could be sleep deprivation induced results there |
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| 05:16.03 | worship | Does anyone know if there is a fix for http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2597#c37 in sid? |
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| 05:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, hm, that awk line... it should at least show the 4 packages that apt wants to upgrade to debian-multimedia... perhaps it's called differently... try e.g. apt-cache madison libavcodec51 and adjust the grep so that it shows you the line from that belongs to the debian-multimedia repository |
| 05:18.20 | nevyn | glares at dpkg the killer of SSD's |
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| 05:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is libstdc++5 not in testing |
| 05:19.15 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, fail |
| 05:19.39 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 05:20.54 | Xenguy | haha |
| 05:20.56 | Dominicus | Looks like dpkg has a bit of an attitude tonight. |
| 05:21.09 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: dressed down by dpkg :-) |
| 05:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dominicus, well, tell him to shaddup |
| 05:21.28 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: mutual I suppose |
| 05:21.54 | Xenguy | er, you know what I mean |
| 05:21.57 | Dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not going to stand up to dpkg. You do it. I'm afraid of dpkg, and his friend judd. |
| 05:22.04 | lotus-blade | debian:/home/spdupee/Desktop# ./java_ee_sdk-5_08-jdk-6u17-linux.bin ./java_ee_sdk-5_08-jdk-6u17-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:22.13 | Xenguy | Dominicus: bots <shiver> |
| 05:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lotus-blade, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536776 is valid from squeeze on |
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| 05:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 05:22.39 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 05:22.48 | Dominicus | LOL |
| 05:23.05 | Xenguy | dpkg mutually exclusive |
| 05:23.05 | dpkg | Xenguy: i don't know |
| 05:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you bully |
| 05:23.07 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 05:23.09 | Xenguy | oh |
| 05:23.16 | Xenguy | dpkg |
| 05:23.19 | Dominicus | dpkg, repent |
| 05:23.19 | dpkg | wish i knew, Dominicus |
| 05:23.27 | worship | does anyone here run X multihead on sid ? |
| 05:23.29 | Xenguy | dpkg. |
| 05:23.38 | Xenguy | dpkg... |
| 05:23.43 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 05:23.59 | Xenguy | dpkg, keyword |
| 05:23.59 | dpkg | Xenguy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:24.05 | Xenguy | truly |
| 05:24.09 | worship | nothing like baiting bots |
| 05:24.30 | Xenguy | worship: I only do it occasionally, fortunately :-) |
| 05:24.41 | worship | lol |
| 05:24.53 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 05:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | lotus-blade, well, install it... or did you still not read what dpkg told you in a pm? |
| 05:27.19 | Xenguy | dpkg, fracktastic |
| 05:27.19 | dpkg | Xenguy: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:27.25 | Xenguy | well |
| 05:27.45 | Xenguy | later for you dpkg |
| 05:27.45 | worship | What's the easiest way to revert my X installation to the version in Lenny, which does not have the Xorg multihead bug, without reverting the entire OS? |
| 05:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lotus-blade, also, doesn't the package sun-java5-jdk not provide the same as that sh script you're running (so why do you run that?) |
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| 05:28.04 | Xenguy | !revert |
| 05:28.09 | Xenguy | gah |
| 05:28.19 | Xenguy | !rollback |
| 05:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok guys... stop playing with the bot |
| 05:28.27 | Xenguy | Lady gahgah |
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| 05:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you think you have to, you can |
| 05:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !msg the bot |
| 05:28.48 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 05:29.09 | Xenguy | danger, flood threat :-) |
| 05:29.19 | novato | to install DEBIAN have I download 5 dvds from debian's website? |
| 05:29.30 | Xenguy | novato: 1 CD |
| 05:29.40 | novato | what is the link? |
| 05:29.40 | Xenguy | novato: or other methods |
| 05:29.43 | lotus-blade | not when installing ee |
| 05:29.46 | Xenguy | debian.org |
| 05:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | novato, no, the netinstall is enough - everything else comes from the internet during your installation |
| 05:29.49 | novato | i have doubts |
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| 05:29.54 | jmarsden | novato: One 40MB or so ISO works fine... |
| 05:29.57 | Xenguy | novato: look for CD section |
| 05:29.57 | novato | yeah, Xenguy, I'm on there |
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| 05:30.01 | novato | ok |
| 05:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !netinstall |
| 05:30.36 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 05:30.43 | novato | Xenguy, there are many cds ==> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:30.54 | novato | which of them should I download it? |
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| 05:31.06 | jmarsden | novato: Try for example http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-businesscard.iso for a small one if you have a good network connection |
| 05:31.07 | Xenguy | novato: choose your favourite flavour |
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| 05:31.23 | novato | ok |
| 05:31.24 | jmarsden | novato: Also you can read http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 05:31.39 | novato | I am not ready to netinst, jmarsden |
| 05:31.56 | Xenguy | novato: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 05:32.06 | jmarsden | novato: Then pick a bigger ISO image instead :) |
| 05:32.15 | Xenguy | novato: go forth and free thy software :P |
| 05:32.35 | novato | yeah, jmarsden |
| 05:32.48 | novato | I would like to get DVD's iso image |
| 05:32.55 | Xenguy | picky |
| 05:33.05 | GhostlyD1ath | Well, I got all my clients working, with encryption supposidely |
| 05:33.08 | novato | but the debian system web site is understandable for beginners |
| 05:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you already know what you want, why ask? |
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| 05:33.29 | Xenguy | heh, exactly |
| 05:34.36 | worship | ok ... what does RTFM mean? I get that the bot is supposed to be helpful (when not being baited), but talking in abbreviations id not helpful :o( |
| 05:34.53 | novato | why does debian have put a lot iso on their website? |
| 05:35.06 | novato | why don't they put one link ? |
| 05:36.23 | GhostlyD1ath | novato: there's not just you in the world |
| 05:36.42 | jmarsden | novato: Because different people want different things. Did you bother to read http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? |
| 05:36.56 | module000 | worship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM |
| 05:37.10 | prince_jammys | Read The Friendly Manual |
| 05:37.19 | Xenguy | !rtfm |
| 05:37.19 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 05:39.09 | novato | ok ok |
| 05:41.14 | worship | I get it :o) |
| 05:41.56 | worship | I've been through the manuals - the problem I am tracking is a bug in xorg that got a workaround. Apparently, the code has changed sufficiently that the documented workaround on the xorg site can't be applied |
| 05:42.21 | worship | Other sid users have been fighting the same problem |
| 05:42.47 | worship | xorg's int10 module has problems with cards that are not the primary card. |
| 05:42.56 | worship | So multiheading works in lenny, but not sid |
| 05:43.45 | worship | but I need sid's kernel and libc to support the video presentation software that I would like to use |
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| 05:45.13 | worship | I had it kinda working until this evening, when dpkg decided to "upgrade" my X installation |
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| 05:46.46 | craigevil | worship: the 2.6.30 kernel in backports isnt new enough gor what you need? |
| 05:46.55 | craigevil | s/gor/for |
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| 05:47.44 | worship | It's not a kernel issue - the kernel issue that was related and made it difficult for the xorg team to find their bug has been resolved (I think) |
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| 05:48.41 | worship | I'm trusting the developers of the product when they say I need to be on sid |
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| 05:49.39 | worship | There's a stack problem in the libc version shipped in lenny that breaks their product |
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| 05:51.36 | worship | if I've deciphered the manual, correctly, "apt-get -t=lenny upgrade xorg-server" should get me back to an operational system? |
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| 05:56.08 | worship | well, that didn't do anything useful. |
| 05:56.59 | worship | same broken version of X giving me the same log :o( |
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| 06:00.52 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 06:00.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing> |
| 06:01.07 | lotus-blade | ok anyone good with alsa sound? |
| 06:01.24 | lotus-blade | I am getting no sound right now |
| 06:03.22 | lotus-blade | !alsa |
| 06:03.22 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:03.28 | worship | The system I'm trying to fix is a jukebox. The first thing I've learned to check is whether or not the sound channel is enabled |
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| 06:04.37 | worship | Check the master, and each of the inputs. Also check the master volume and the channel volume |
| 06:05.02 | worship | Most sound goes through the PCM channel |
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| 06:06.22 | worship | The other thing I do from time to time is get the speaker and headphones output switched around |
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| 06:25.49 | lotus-blade | I have a riptide sound card, can anyone help me get it to work? |
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| 06:26.39 | worship | sorry, I wish I could |
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| 06:31.09 | dome | where is the FAQ? |
| 06:31.21 | liable | which one? |
| 06:31.47 | dome | for #debian. I am a new comer and I msg'd dpkg said read the FAQ but gave no link |
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| 06:32.18 | liable | hmm, |
| 06:32.27 | liable | !listkeys #debian |
| 06:32.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of '#debian' by key (15 of 3386): #debian ext2->ext3 ;; #debian fiik ;; #debian hell ;; #debian menuconfig ;; #debian mit ;; #debian mx ;; #debian nano ;; #debian opie ;; #debian overclocking ;; #debian register ;; #debian rice'n'peas'n'turkey'n'ketchup ;; #debian rtfm ;; #debian s3 ;; #debian welcome back ;; #debian-bots ffmpeg. |
| 06:32.39 | liable | !listkeys faq |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'faq' by key (15 of 62): #debian faq ;; #debian-bots faq ;; _default mplayer faq ;; badgerfaq ;; colsfaq ;; dfsg faq ;; faq ;; faq-o-matic #del# ;; faqomatic #del# ;; gnuplot-faq ;; linuxchix-faqs ;; mozilla faq ;; mplayer faq ;; sata faq ;; x faq. |
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| 06:32.59 | dome | ahhh listkeys cmd. did not know that |
| 06:33.00 | liable | dome: /msg dpkg #debian faq |
| 06:33.19 | dome | liable thank you |
| 06:33.23 | liable | yw |
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| 06:44.45 | lotus-blade | how do you get apt-get to get all dependancies? |
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| 06:45.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | huh? apt handles it |
| 06:45.06 | lotus-blade | apt-get install is not doing it |
| 06:45.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | are you installing 3rd party stuff? |
| 06:45.38 | lotus-blade | it is weird |
| 06:45.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | pastebin your error message adn we can have a look |
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| 06:51.04 | GhostlyD1ath | For poptop's pptp server, is there a way I can get the list of connected clients along with what encryption and authentication method they are using? |
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| 07:27.03 | imimimiim | hi, i am getting a "maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended" error but i am booting the kernel with the readonly parameter and fstab mounts /dev/hda2 as readonly.. any ideas how a mount counter could be stored? |
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| 07:30.34 | losha | GhostlyD1ath: no idea, but surely it keeps a log file you can look in? |
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| 07:37.00 | gizmo-- | hi, i've a problem with drftpd 2.0.5 on debian 5 64 bits (about java wrapper), i hadn't the pb on centos 5 64 bits... |
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| 07:54.05 | metalfan | ive got a newer version of mumble installed into my user dir, the debian one is outdated. but i still want to use the init script from the debian package, so i changed DAEMON=/usr..../murmur to DAEMON=murmur.x86 because the server is in the same dir as the script. but the script says that it cant find the daemon? |
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| 08:08.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:08.49 | dpkg | < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
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| 08:10.08 | amitz | !qotd0 |
| 08:10.09 | dpkg | <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
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| 08:11.54 | sweetandy | if I knew that all it took to re-enable my audio card was "alsaconf" I would have done it long ago :) hooray debian |
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| 08:13.33 | liable | well ,they removed it recently |
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| 08:16.27 | jure | how do i get btrfs in debian? |
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| 08:20.23 | fale | hi |
| 08:20.25 | fale | for some weird reasons now I have all my contacts multiplied multiple times. Is there a program to unify the contacts (that now are in a vcard) that has the same name and/or same email? |
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| 08:25.11 | iceroot | fale: there is a thunderbird addon for that |
| 08:25.50 | fale | iceroot: cool, thank you ) |
| 08:25.51 | fale | :) |
| 08:26.45 | sweetandy | This is a mac laptop, and once I booted another mac, connected to this debian mac, in Target Disk Mode (hold town T at startup), and it actually mounted the hard drive of the other mac on the desktop here |
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| 08:27.06 | sweetandy | Admittedly it was read only, being HFS+ and having poor kernel support on this end, but it was still cool |
| 08:27.25 | sweetandy | I'm surprised Debian knew what to do |
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| 08:29.32 | dome | when I start KDE I get this : cannot connect to x server |
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| 08:39.08 | twiggz | debian backports have a channel here? |
| 08:39.16 | twiggz | on freenode? |
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| 08:40.22 | twiggz | really, elive is awesome as a debian lenny based distro with a NEWER kernel ...but really...old apps... |
| 08:41.08 | twiggz | pidgin IE is not useable with a few protocols with the debian lenny version ...and debian backports saythe shit is just broken... |
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| 08:41.14 | twiggz | blah |
| 08:41.27 | twiggz | if freebsd had decent flash support , id be on it. |
| 08:42.03 | dome | i cant even figure out how to run kde :/ |
| 08:42.27 | twiggz | install it and reboot? |
| 08:42.29 | twiggz | lol |
| 08:42.55 | dome | doing it remotely |
| 08:43.03 | dome | got x and kde installed |
| 08:43.06 | dome | and screen |
| 08:43.14 | twiggz | why are you trying to use kde remotely... |
| 08:43.30 | twiggz | screen is of no use unless you have no X |
| 08:43.46 | dome | ahh thought i needed it all to remote desktop |
| 08:43.48 | twiggz | imo |
| 08:43.53 | dome | but i cant even figure that out either |
| 08:44.52 | twiggz | pardon me, i am intoxicated...bit why are you setting up kde remotely.... |
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| 08:44.55 | twiggz | ? |
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| 08:45.38 | twiggz | I have done so for folks ...and it has worked...but it was for their use... |
| 08:45.39 | dome | i was told I needed it to remote desktop |
| 08:45.58 | twiggz | you were misinformed. |
| 08:45.59 | dome | i am setting up a game server |
| 08:46.07 | dome | its in tx and im in hi |
| 08:46.27 | dome | so i will uninstall it then |
| 08:46.39 | dome | i installed gnome, x, and kde |
| 08:46.39 | twiggz | i have a dedi in east lansing michigan... |
| 08:46.44 | dome | and screen |
| 08:47.01 | dome | and i have no idea what program to use to remote desktop with |
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| 08:47.19 | twiggz | you shouldnt need any of the crap to run a game server |
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| 08:52.45 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:53.43 | Frx | hmm |
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| 08:54.25 | Frx | well, i just upgraded to squeeze, and vlc 's fonts arent right , any suggestions on what could be causing this? |
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| 08:58.47 | orak3l | i have a mix system with testing unstable and experimental packages installed. is there a way i can list all packages from unstable resp. experimental? |
| 08:59.02 | orak3l | i mean only the installed ones |
| 08:59.29 | dome | anyone run gameservers off debian? |
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| 09:08.58 | twiggz | sorry for slow response...im on many nets... |
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| 09:09.04 | twiggz | catch me up |
| 09:09.20 | metalfan | ive got a newer version of mumble installed into my user dir, the debian one is outdated. but i still want to use the init script from the debian package, so i changed DAEMON=/usr..../murmur to DAEMON=murmur.x86 because the server is in the same dir as the script. but the script says that it cant find the daemon? |
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| 09:09.46 | twiggz | i dont use vlc or any qt app |
| 09:09.54 | twiggz | at imo is a fat ho |
| 09:10.01 | twiggz | i stick to gtk2 apps |
| 09:10.16 | twiggz | er |
| 09:10.20 | twiggz | qt* |
| 09:10.54 | twiggz | vlc doesnt do anything that mplayer or gnome-mplayer cant do with the same codecs installed... |
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| 09:11.11 | Woet | Is the 2.6.26-2-openvz-686 kernel bugged by any chance? |
| 09:11.28 | Woet | I've been using it on quite a few servers, and most of them get filesystem erros after a few weeks :/ |
| 09:11.35 | Woet | i sincerely doubt all those harddisks are corrupt |
| 09:11.41 | a_l_e | i have a problem with my local network and i don't know where to look at. debian testing is installed on two computers... |
| 09:11.46 | Woet | wait |
| 09:11.48 | twiggz | there is a new local exploit i just fixed on my dedi |
| 09:12.01 | twiggz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Hole-in-the-Linux-kernel-allows-root-access-850016.html |
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| 09:12.23 | a_l_e | the eeepc can normally use the nfs share from a qnap 209, the main computer can mount and use the nfs share, but blocks every 10 seconds for a couple of seconds... |
| 09:12.26 | Frx | running debian squeeze here, cant seem to be able to change the font in qt 4 settings |
| 09:12.33 | Frx | what could be cuasing this ? |
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| 09:13.42 | a_l_e | for the rest, the network seems to work correctly... |
| 09:13.46 | a_l_e | any idea where i could look? |
| 09:13.51 | Frx | the fonts in qt application are hideous |
| 09:14.18 | a_l_e | Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)... |
| 09:14.31 | a_l_e | but i have the problem occurs also over eth0 |
| 09:14.47 | twiggz | netstream[eth0: Receiving 1 KB/s, Sending 0 B/s] |
| 09:14.53 | dome | how to I assign a drive letter? so putty doesnt tell me im in unassigned:~# |
| 09:14.55 | twiggz | lol |
| 09:15.32 | dome | :/ |
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| 09:16.02 | a_l_e | btw, pinging the server every two seconds makes the connection work better but i still blocks from time to time |
| 09:16.24 | a_l_e | does anybody have an idea where the problem could be or where i can get some help on it? |
| 09:16.53 | dome | can someone atleast send me to a website where I may find some answers |
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| 09:21.57 | dome | can someone atleast send me to a website where I may find some answers |
| 09:23.31 | iceroot | dome: there are no drive-letters in linux |
| 09:23.48 | iceroot | dome: there is only / |
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| 09:24.28 | simonrvn | !tell dome -about repeat |
| 09:24.32 | simonrvn | !tell dome -about ask |
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| 09:26.57 | dome | I have a problem with X |
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| 09:27.20 | iceroot | dome: just ask a real question in one line |
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| 09:27.55 | dome | When I run startx I get the errors - Message: "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 09:28.24 | iceroot | dome: using putty? |
| 09:28.33 | iceroot | dome: ssh |
| 09:28.45 | dome | yes |
| 09:29.11 | iceroot | dome: and why you want start the x-server from ssh? |
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| 09:29.25 | iceroot | dome: you think then you see your desktop in putty? |
| 09:29.44 | dome | so I can use vnc |
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| 09:30.34 | iceroot | dome: is it a server? |
| 09:30.41 | dome | yes |
| 09:30.58 | iceroot | dome: then learn to use ssh and the bash instead of the gui |
| 09:31.11 | iceroot | you dont need and want a gui on a server |
| 09:31.30 | dome | its a game server |
| 09:31.44 | iceroot | dome: ..... you dont need a gui for a game-server |
| 09:31.50 | dome | ok |
| 09:31.53 | iceroot | dome: also please read some linux-basics |
| 09:32.05 | dome | i ws about to ask where to find some |
| 09:32.11 | dome | everythign I have googled isnt helping much |
| 09:32.54 | dome | i have to install ftp server, swiftpanel, multiple orangebox servers, cod4, dota, mumble |
| 09:32.59 | a_l_e | !tell a_l_e -about repeat |
| 09:33.00 | dome | trying to make my job easier |
| 09:33.29 | a_l_e | !tell a_l_e -about ask |
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| 09:36.12 | iceroot | dome: to learn some linux-basics, install an easy linux-system and play with it. i know everyone wants to kill me but try ubuntu, to learn some basic stuff. use a live-cd or a vm. after that you can try same basics on the bash, maybe then you can setup a secure server |
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| 09:36.37 | Mr_Fido | !hi |
| 09:36.38 | dpkg | hello, mr_fido |
| 09:37.00 | dome | well I am renting a dedi box in texas. I am 4000 miles away from texas |
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| 09:37.26 | Mr_Fido | ! my name is in Caps |
| 09:37.26 | dpkg | ...but my name is already something else... |
| 09:37.31 | iceroot | dome: dont rent a server if you dont know anything about the system... it will only become a spam-relay... |
| 09:37.39 | dome | i swapped from windows server 2003 because I was told linux is easy |
| 09:37.41 | dome | apparently not |
| 09:37.45 | nkuttler | !tell dome about grounding |
| 09:37.58 | nkuttler | dome: if you need more specific docs, just ask |
| 09:38.03 | iceroot | dome: linux is easy but it is different from windows |
| 09:38.35 | Mr_Fido | ! so what? |
| 09:38.35 | dpkg | so what is, like, DivX? |
| 09:38.46 | Mr_Fido | !no it is like a quetion |
| 09:38.46 | dpkg | Mr_Fido: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:38.50 | nkuttler | Mr_Fido: please /msg the bot |
| 09:38.51 | iceroot | dome: there are some versions which are not so easy like gentoo but there are also very easy once like debian, ubuntu, opensuse |
| 09:39.02 | dome | basically I want to know how to change the name from unassigned# to a computer name |
| 09:39.14 | nkuttler | dome: hm? context? |
| 09:39.16 | Mr_Fido | ok |
| 09:39.18 | dome | i am running lenny 64bit |
| 09:39.41 | iceroot | dome: /etc/hosts |
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| 09:39.54 | dome | i used ssh for centos once and it would say like limeston654_01# |
| 09:40.08 | iceroot | dome: thats the hostname |
| 09:40.11 | dome | yes |
| 09:40.20 | iceroot | dome: stored in /etc/hosts |
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| 09:40.35 | nkuttler | dome: man hostname, and it's stored in /etc/hostname |
| 09:40.54 | simonrvn | Mr_Fido: stop it with the bot |
| 09:41.02 | iceroot | ah sorry, /etc/hostname |
| 09:41.13 | Mr_Fido | i have stoppe, i am in PM. |
| 09:41.26 | dome | ok |
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| 09:42.24 | simonrvn | Mr_Fido: no, stop it totally. don't mess with it, it's not a toy. |
| 09:42.42 | Mr_Fido | ok |
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| 09:43.35 | simonrvn | Mr_Fido: thank you |
| 09:43.50 | dome | is there a text editor for ssh? |
| 09:44.12 | nkuttler | dome: there's like a gazillion |
| 09:44.18 | Mr_Fido | simonrvn: may i ask you a question? how did you know i was in PM wit the bot? |
| 09:44.28 | dome | best for beginners? |
| 09:44.33 | nkuttler | dome: which editor are you used to? |
| 09:44.43 | iceroot | dome: nano is easy |
| 09:44.58 | dome | im used to notepad lol |
| 09:45.07 | nkuttler | yes, nano should do |
| 09:45.35 | simonrvn | Mr_Fido: i used my crystal ball :P |
| 09:45.42 | iceroot | dome: as i said, please dont host a server. please give me the ip, so i can bllacklist the server in my spam-filter |
| 09:45.55 | Mr_Fido | ha ha ha |
| 09:45.57 | iceroot | dome: please learn some basics before hosting a server in the internet |
| 09:46.10 | nkuttler | iceroot: it's already done. it's really hard to set up an open relay with debian. |
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| 09:46.22 | dome | too late |
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| 09:46.37 | iceroot | nkuttler: then replace spam-relay with warez-server |
| 09:46.46 | simonrvn | iceroot: he's probably ircing from it |
| 09:46.47 | HackeMate | Hola |
| 09:46.50 | nkuttler | iceroot: setting up an ftp is non-trivial |
| 09:47.11 | neoice | the machine could just get 0wned |
| 09:47.21 | dome | well im willing to learn |
| 09:47.24 | neoice | presumably the attacker would be able to configure nasty things :P |
| 09:47.27 | iceroot | and then its a spam-relay after someone take over it :) |
| 09:47.32 | nkuttler | simonrvn: what's wrong with that :) |
| 09:47.36 | neoice | dome: this is where I started: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 09:47.40 | Shtl | Hello all, in official site of debian there are 5 DVDs, which one to download for installation, and are these a full repository of debian??? |
| 09:47.42 | neoice | I recommend you read that cover to cover. twice. |
| 09:47.50 | dome | ty neoice |
| 09:47.59 | simonrvn | nkuttler: the machine he's ircing from could also be the open relay |
| 09:48.23 | neoice | dome: another tip is to read articles on wikipedia and open new tabs off every concept / term you dont understand |
| 09:48.27 | valdyn | Shtl: only get the first cdrom ( not dvd ) or netinstall |
| 09:48.36 | valdyn | Shtl: you dont need all those dvds |
| 09:48.39 | dome | i have 13 tabs open right now :( |
| 09:48.43 | neoice | dome: and dont forget to read man pages |
| 09:48.52 | simonrvn | Shtl: it's full repo. you don't need them all. |
| 09:48.57 | simonrvn | it's the* |
| 09:49.12 | Shtl | valdyn: but i dont have the internet connection |
| 09:49.17 | iceroot | dome: and very important, only be root if you need it. dont do everything as root |
| 09:49.27 | valdyn | Shtl: in that case try only the first dvd |
| 09:49.31 | dome | ill look into setting up another user |
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| 09:49.59 | valdyn | Shtl: thats more than you need to install, maybe all the software you ever need. You can get more dvds later if you must |
| 09:49.59 | Shtl | valdyn: it has all the development tools and libraries with it? |
| 09:50.08 | nkuttler | dome: uh, you haven't yet? also, disable root ssh logins and disable password auth. use keys |
| 09:50.26 | simonrvn | facepalms |
| 09:50.31 | dome | i just got on this thing like 20minutes ago |
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| 09:50.33 | valdyn | Shtl: obviously not "all" or there wouldnt be more dvds |
| 09:50.39 | dome | havnt redad a single article on setting up users |
| 09:50.43 | dome | read* |
| 09:50.48 | valdyn | Shtl: but its not unlikely that it contains all you ever need |
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| 09:50.56 | Shtl | valdyn: yaa |
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| 09:51.14 | valdyn | Shtl: packages are sorted by popularity |
| 09:51.25 | valdyn | Shtl: -> first dvd, contains the most popular packages |
| 09:51.33 | Shtl | ok |
| 09:51.42 | valdyn | Shtl: last dvd has software with few more than 1 user |
| 09:51.53 | omajgat_ | hi, can someone help me whith java? ;p (im newbie) |
| 09:52.01 | Shtl | ok |
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| 09:52.17 | Shtl | wats that update DVD they hve mensioned? |
| 09:52.40 | valdyn | Shtl: when you have an older debian installation and no net then you could use the update dvd |
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| 09:52.47 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 09:52.55 | valdyn | Shtl: obviously you dont need that one either |
| 09:52.55 | omajgat_ | czesc |
| 09:53.06 | Shtl | ok fine |
| 09:53.07 | cr3rzemjest | dobry |
| 09:53.14 | Shtl | thnx |
| 09:54.09 | Shtl | valdyn: this dvd is next version to lenny rt? |
| 09:54.18 | Shtl | 5.0.3 |
| 09:54.19 | dome | in linux.. is root considered a user? or does linux call it something else |
| 09:54.46 | valdyn | Shtl: it should upgrade anything between debian 5.0.0 and debian 5.0.2 to debian 5.0.3 |
| 09:55.08 | Shtl | 5.0.3 have kde4 and later? |
| 09:55.10 | valdyn | dome: its a user with a "hardcoded" id |
| 09:55.17 | valdyn | Shtl: no, it ships kde3 |
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| 09:55.39 | Shtl | when it will be with kde4? |
| 09:55.54 | valdyn | Shtl: it wont, squeeze will be, that the next debian release |
| 09:56.04 | Shtl | ok |
| 09:56.12 | omajgat_ | hi, can someone help me whith java? |
| 09:56.18 | dome | so I want to set up a user with key and not user with pw.. correct? |
| 09:56.20 | nkuttler | !tell omajgat_ about ask |
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| 09:56.37 | valdyn | dome: why? |
| 09:56.44 | nkuttler | dome: all users have passwords. keys is a ssh thing |
| 09:56.58 | dome | im using ssh |
| 09:56.59 | nkuttler | well, not all users have to have passwords, but the relevant ones usually have |
| 09:57.00 | \amethyst | not all users have passwords |
| 09:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 856] by debhelper |
| 09:57.19 | \amethyst | it's common (though probably not in Debian) for root to not have a password |
| 09:57.28 | dome | my root has a pw |
| 09:57.46 | omajgat_ | I have already installed java, but dont work in Iceweasel browser ;/ |
| 09:57.47 | nkuttler | dome: really, read the securing debian manual, and what the bot told you about grounding |
| 09:58.06 | dome | well I have some people saying it doesnt matter if i use root and some telling me you have to change root omfg facepalm |
| 09:58.26 | dome | I am reading it. But i am not familiar with unix/linux terms whatsoever |
| 09:58.51 | \amethyst | dome: generally you should not run anything as root except what is necessary to administer the system |
| 09:59.11 | dome | I understand that now. I am just trying to figure out how to create new users |
| 09:59.15 | simonrvn | dome: the people telling you to use root blithely are asking for trouble, and giving you bad advice. |
| 09:59.27 | nkuttler | dome: see man adduser |
| 09:59.27 | cr3rzemjest | how do i find out why dhclient clears all network information after some time (while "renewal time" is 26555 seconds ~7h)? how do I make it automatically request new address when there is no connection? It might be important that i spoof MAC address on my laptop so that it's the same as one of my 2 PCs(ISP allows 2 machines only, otherwise i would have to go to their website, and wait for 15... |
| 09:59.29 | cr3rzemjest | ...mins in order to switch from PC to laptop) |
| 09:59.43 | nkuttler | !tell omajgat_ about java plugin |
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| 10:00.40 | massmc | how come no bitchx in apt with lenny? |
| 10:00.47 | massmc | am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 10:01.06 | nkuttler | massmc: how are you looking? |
| 10:01.08 | dome | how do I bring up man adduser? |
| 10:01.13 | \amethyst | massmc: removed for perennial security problems, and lack of maintenance |
| 10:01.16 | nkuttler | dome: you type "man adduser" |
| 10:01.23 | \amethyst | dome: into a terminal |
| 10:01.26 | massmc | ahh i see, thank you |
| 10:01.34 | massmc | i miss bitchx |
| 10:02.06 | massmc | irsi is nice but not as colorful |
| 10:02.10 | massmc | irssi* |
| 10:02.52 | trifler | massmc: Create a coloful theme for it? |
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| 10:03.15 | massmc | for irssi? |
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| 10:03.27 | frx | hello again. |
| 10:03.28 | trifler | massmc: Yes. |
| 10:03.31 | omajgat_ | ffs |
| 10:03.39 | trifler | massmc: inspiration -> http://www.irssi.org/themes |
| 10:03.46 | massmc | i might try that when i find some mushrooms |
| 10:03.46 | frx | so, as i said, i upgraded to squeeze today |
| 10:03.56 | frx | during boot, i see less info on whats going on, whys that? |
| 10:04.01 | massmc | ty trifter, i'll check that |
| 10:04.03 | frx | and during shutdown and reboot |
| 10:04.08 | frx | whats causing this ? |
| 10:04.11 | trifler | massmc: I like hv :) |
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| 10:05.27 | frx | like for example before upgrading, a reboot would show me that that things are shuting down etc. |
| 10:05.46 | frx | now it just shows, system rebooting. |
| 10:06.59 | massmc | trifler, check mad cow out lol |
| 10:07.21 | massmc | with the usernames on the right pane |
| 10:07.23 | massmc | wow |
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| 10:07.37 | frx | massmc : any idea? |
| 10:07.38 | HackeMate | hello, is there an addon, or any kind of software that allows me to burn a mp3 cd from rhythmbox |
| 10:07.41 | HackeMate | or any playlist? |
| 10:07.51 | massmc | can't I just steal those? |
| 10:07.55 | massmc | lol |
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| 10:08.27 | massmc | and also will the themes change for my users aswell or just root |
| 10:08.39 | nkuttler | omajgat_: please ask in the channel |
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| 10:08.49 | frx | HackeMate : not sure, but Brasero can do that for you. |
| 10:08.59 | HackeMate | from a playlist? |
| 10:09.08 | HackeMate | in mp3? |
| 10:09.18 | HackeMate | i tried everything, and they only burn in audio |
| 10:09.40 | frx | its a software of it own, nothing to do with your rhythmbox playlist |
| 10:09.58 | frx | well , why not |
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| 10:10.06 | frx | give it a try |
| 10:10.27 | omajgat_ | omajgat:~# update-java-alternatives --list -> 'java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun' after this i do: 'update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun' and still dont work |
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| 10:11.53 | valdyn | omajgat_: *what* don't work? |
| 10:12.10 | omajgat_ | valdyn: JAVA |
| 10:12.20 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 10:12.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 10:13.23 | simonrvn | omajgat_: you don't have to screw around with that usually, if you just install the package(s)... |
| 10:13.59 | omajgat_ | ok, fuck this, i back to Windows |
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| 10:14.22 | valdyn | omajgat_: were not holding you back |
| 10:14.36 | nkuttler | i think he wants the icewease plugin |
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| 10:14.47 | valdyn | maybe |
| 10:14.52 | omajgat_ | yea |
| 10:15.01 | omajgat_ | ;d |
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| 10:16.16 | valdyn | !java |
| 10:16.16 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:16.21 | simonrvn | aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 10:16.28 | simonrvn | wow, so hard ;p |
| 10:16.30 | omajgat_ | my problem is simply, i got java, go to website whith java applet and dont work |
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| 10:16.38 | Cornholio | Hello. I just did a very minimal lenny netinstall (without a DE) and I'm trying to enable the sid repos. Which url's in sources.list should i change? |
| 10:16.53 | simonrvn | make sure you restart the browser and enable it in the browser prefs |
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| 10:17.19 | simonrvn | Cornholio: you sure you want to do that? |
| 10:17.32 | Cornholio | yes |
| 10:17.35 | omajgat_ | omg |
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| 10:17.53 | omajgat_ | i search about 5h in google this ;p |
| 10:18.09 | omajgat_ | thx, work |
| 10:18.12 | omajgat_ | ;p |
| 10:18.17 | valdyn | omajgat_: you omitted the word plugin in google i guess ) |
| 10:18.18 | simNIX | omajgat_, which java pkg did you add ? |
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| 10:18.41 | simonrvn | omajgat_: just make sure you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list. oh never mind, i guess you did ;). |
| 10:19.11 | omajgat_ | i got, many thx |
| 10:19.38 | omajgat_ | i yeasterday first time install linux, so im newbie ;x |
| 10:19.42 | massmc | is there a good howto on making A records for a vps running debian |
| 10:20.00 | simNIX | omajgat_, try aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin openjdk-6-jre-lib |
| 10:20.02 | massmc | it has an IP, i have a domain name :P |
| 10:20.15 | simonrvn | why should making an a rr be any different for a vps? |
| 10:20.15 | simNIX | for my nephew that makes runescape webpage works (java) |
| 10:20.20 | valdyn | massmc: your registrar has a GUI and instructions |
| 10:20.34 | Cornholio | simonrvn: i'm not new to linux, i just botched up this once before. |
| 10:20.36 | omajgat_ | simNIX, work after: aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 10:20.49 | valdyn | massmc: ( hows that a debian question ? ) |
| 10:21.18 | simNIX | omajgat_, if it worked already wondering why then you ask here ? |
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| 10:21.38 | simonrvn | Cornholio: /msg dpkg unstable and s,stable,unstable, (better: s,stable,sid, ) |
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| 10:21.52 | valdyn | simonrvn: it didnt work before simonrvn told him the fix |
| 10:21.55 | valdyn | gah |
| 10:21.56 | valdyn | nvm |
| 10:22.02 | massmc | valdyn, I just came from windows, and have a vps running debian.. so where should I ask? |
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| 10:22.14 | simonrvn | Cornholio: of course, if it says lenny, well.. i don't think i need to explain that |
| 10:22.28 | valdyn | massmc: at your registrar |
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| 10:23.00 | massmc | rather than ask them I wanted to see if there was a good howto out there so could read up on it and do it |
| 10:23.07 | simonrvn | valdyn: i think he was trying something very strange with update-alternatives instead of letting the proper package do it |
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| 10:23.22 | valdyn | simonrvn: i didnt even know that update-java-alternatives exists |
| 10:23.57 | simonrvn | it doesn't afaik, but i don't keep track of everything |
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| 10:28.10 | OpenMaster | hi to all |
| 10:29.55 | OpenMaster | I need help; can anyone hel me? I need to know if is it possible to change from ubuntu to debian keeping the home partition (ext4). |
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| 10:30.23 | ersoy | can i use hosting control panel on lenny? |
| 10:30.41 | nkuttler | OpenMaster: sure. just don't delete the partition when you install |
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| 10:32.07 | OpenMaster | ok; the second question is: are there guides to install "restricted extra" on debian? |
| 10:32.26 | simonrvn | restricted extra? |
| 10:32.49 | OpenMaster | codec for: divx, flash, dvd, wmw etc etc |
| 10:32.49 | iceroot | simonrvn: he means something like apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras |
| 10:33.24 | OpenMaster | in ubuntu you need to install this extra to play movies and to run java programs and so on |
| 10:33.29 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 10:33.29 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 10:33.36 | simonrvn | OpenMaster: ^^^ |
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| 10:34.09 | simonrvn | and also: |
| 10:34.13 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 10:34.13 | dpkg | i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:34.26 | simonrvn | that's for sun java and such |
| 10:35.03 | OpenMaster | ok thanks; the last question: |
| 10:36.04 | Arrowmaster | or just use openjdk for java |
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| 10:38.18 | OpenMaster | I'm thinking to switch from ubuntu to debian because the last version of ubuntu is very unstable; the wireless network is very very unstable...but I don't want somthing of hard bercause I need to install debian also on my girlfriend laptop that need the last version of these programs: kmes/firefox/open office |
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| 10:38.36 | dome | If I want to give a user admin type priviliges just do adduser <name> -D ????????? |
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| 10:39.03 | peterrooney | dome: sudo |
| 10:39.10 | dome | sudo? |
| 10:39.31 | OpenMaster | do you think debian is the right way? |
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| 10:40.17 | nkuttler | dome: add a normal user, use sudo, apt-get install sudo |
| 10:40.50 | simonrvn | OpenMaster: you expecting an honest answer? look where you're at ;). |
| 10:40.51 | dome | i have sudo now |
| 10:40.52 | peterrooney | dome: sudo allows you to assign privileged commands (and groups of commands) to particular users |
| 10:40.56 | dome | kk |
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| 10:42.06 | peterrooney | dome: to edit the file, use visudo - the configurattion file has its own man page, `man 5 sudoers' |
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| 10:42.44 | dome | ok.. i am reading man sudo right now |
| 10:43.37 | dome | my question is.. what file am I editing.. I havnt come across that in the manual |
| 10:43.56 | peterrooney | dome: never edit the file directly. just don't. |
| 10:43.56 | hark | read man sudoers instead |
| 10:44.01 | simNIX | man shall say at end /etc/sudoers ? |
| 10:44.38 | hark | it has an examples section :) |
| 10:44.51 | simNIX | :o) |
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| 10:46.33 | Raven737 | Help.. my debian net install failed on grup install.. nothing worked so i said 'continue without grub' and comp rebooted, i'm at grup bash like interface now.. what do i do? |
| 10:47.00 | Raven737 | *grub* not grup ;-) |
| 10:47.20 | OpenMaster | simonrvn: yes I think that only who use Debian can tell me if debian is hard or simple for a noob XD |
| 10:47.44 | dome | all i need to do is set up 1 user. thats th eonly one I will ever need. period. what would be the sudoer rights for something just below root privileges |
| 10:48.03 | valdyn | OpenMaster: debian is the wrong distro if you need the last versions of software |
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| 10:48.20 | simonrvn | OpenMaster: well, i came in from mac os 9 to debian. that was in 2002. |
| 10:48.27 | hark | dome: /msg dpkg sudoers /msg dpkg visudo |
| 10:48.34 | valdyn | OpenMaster: debian is made to be stable, not to be on the edge |
| 10:48.54 | valdyn | OpenMaster: that's pretty much 2 mutually exclusive goals |
| 10:48.56 | simonrvn | well, it can, if you want it ;) |
| 10:49.09 | simonrvn | but you don't get stability ;) |
| 10:49.10 | dome | well i dont need to read into how to do this |
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| 10:49.31 | dome | all i need is 1 user. someone just tell me what the privileges would be right below root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:49.43 | valdyn | dome: that does not exist |
| 10:49.50 | dome | ugh |
| 10:49.57 | valdyn | dome: jsut use <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:49.59 | simonrvn | dome: sudo by default excutes commands as a privileged user, i.e. root privileges |
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| 10:50.18 | dome | then im just gonna keep my root then |
| 10:50.21 | dome | screw making users |
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| 10:50.40 | iceroot | dome: add a user, put it in sudoers and be happy |
| 10:50.54 | dome | i dont have time to read al that crap |
| 10:51.04 | dome | just to do 1 thing |
| 10:51.06 | iceroot | dome: then dont use it |
| 10:51.09 | neoice | dome: if you're not logging in ON THE CONSOLE, you shouldnt use root. |
| 10:51.16 | valdyn | dome: dont use debian if you dont have time to learn it |
| 10:51.23 | valdyn | dome: we dont need more spam zombies |
| 10:51.26 | dome | once i get my games installed i will only be using cpanel |
| 10:51.32 | iceroot | dome: please let someone else admin the server if you dont want to learn |
| 10:51.42 | simonrvn | you want to run a game server? learn to do it properly and securely, or don't bother. |
| 10:52.08 | dome | why cant someone just give me the help i ask for. sheesh |
| 10:52.11 | neoice | dome: also, most consumer ISPs _will_ notice your game server and wont be too happy. |
| 10:52.18 | valdyn | dome: you're not paying |
| 10:52.21 | iceroot | dome: we gave you the help. read the manuals |
| 10:53.00 | dome | ive read 3 different manuals about users. and so far to keep the privileges I want I need to use ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:53.05 | iceroot | dome: also its not good to copy and paste commands someone is posting here |
| 10:53.14 | valdyn | dome: I already told you the solution |
| 10:53.14 | dome | but thats the point of disabling root if I still need to use root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:53.30 | neoice | dome: UNIX privs are extremely granular. but the defaults are usually all (root) or nothing (users) |
| 10:53.36 | valdyn | dome: you simply dont understand what that line means |
| 10:53.38 | dome | thats the command from my visudo file |
| 10:53.48 | valdyn | dome: just add "<username> ALL=(ALL) ALL", done |
| 10:54.03 | neoice | dome: if you want to, you can configure sudoers (or other mechanisms) to allow pretty much every level of access you can imagine |
| 10:54.05 | simonrvn | sudo is good to do one-offs, which is what you'll be doing most of the time. you're also not disabling root, you're just staying away from using it all the time. |
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| 10:54.26 | iceroot | dome: add a user, "adduser username", put it in sudoers, disable root-acces with ssh |
| 10:54.27 | dome | i understand exactly what that is.. my question was why would I need to disable root if my next user is gonna have the same rights |
| 10:54.45 | valdyn | dome: no one asked you to disable root |
| 10:54.47 | iceroot | dome: you dont disable root, you disbale root-acces with ssh |
| 10:54.49 | neoice | dome: you want to disable root SSH logins so chinese hackers dont 0wn your ass |
| 10:54.59 | dome | thats what i mean. disbale for ssh |
| 10:55.07 | iceroot | dome: yes |
| 10:55.08 | neoice | dome: because you WILL get scanned. a lot. |
| 10:55.17 | iceroot | dome: disable root-login by ssh |
| 10:55.24 | dome | I planned on it |
| 10:55.25 | neoice | dome: you should also install fail2ban (did you read that manual I sent you earlier?) |
| 10:55.32 | iceroot | dome: that does not mean there is no root account anymore |
| 10:55.37 | dome | yes i have a lot open from the securing debian |
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| 10:55.42 | simonrvn | esp. if you *keep* it on port 22 |
| 10:55.43 | neoice | again, because you will get scanned. A LOT. hundreds of times a day. |
| 10:55.54 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:56.07 | iceroot | neoice: much much more then hundreds... |
| 10:56.22 | SmartGuy | hey can anyone give suggestions for www.artlitgames.com I think this channel can help since this is a large community |
| 10:56.28 | neoice | simonrvn: I only allow ssh-key auth and it greatly reduced the scans I see on my logs |
| 10:56.50 | iceroot | neoice: changing the port is also a good idea. |
| 10:56.57 | valdyn | I wouldnt be worried about scans, they're not going to crack a decent password |
| 10:56.58 | simonrvn | i just changed the port, and do iptables stuff |
| 10:57.07 | neoice | iceroot: I have outbound firewall rules at work, so its 22, sshkeys and fail2ban |
| 10:57.23 | neoice | I ran ALLOW rules for a long time, but it wound up just being too paranoid even for me |
| 10:57.35 | iceroot | neoice: ah ok, i am just using another port, root enabled, no key-auth, no fail2ban :) |
| 10:57.41 | simonrvn | keys only, well i got burned once too many times but i do do it |
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| 10:58.20 | neoice | iceroot: fail2ban is superb. you dont even have to configure it, the debian defaults do a decent job |
| 10:58.41 | iceroot | neoice: i know it but i am on a vserver, so there is no iptables |
| 10:58.48 | neoice | OWCH |
| 10:58.53 | iceroot | yes |
| 10:59.02 | neoice | you can probably configure it to use hosts.deny |
| 10:59.25 | iceroot | neoice: yes, i have smething running scanning logs and using hosts.deny |
| 10:59.42 | iceroot | neoice: but that is to slow |
| 10:59.48 | neoice | it has a file /etc/fail2ban/action.d/hostsdeny.conf |
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| 11:00.09 | neoice | no iptables is brutal. |
| 11:00.17 | iceroot | yes it is |
| 11:00.25 | iceroot | but vserver are cheap |
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| 11:01.01 | neoice | is there a reason they dont have iptables? I havent even read much on vserver |
| 11:01.15 | iceroot | neoice: they dont have an own kernel and eth0 |
| 11:01.22 | dome | ok i mae my user and disabled ssh root |
| 11:01.24 | dome | :) |
| 11:01.45 | iceroot | dome: good |
| 11:01.56 | iceroot | dome: next read man su and man sudo |
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| 11:02.31 | nkuttler | dome: before you disable ssh root make sure your new user can log in |
| 11:02.36 | simonrvn | dome: yay |
| 11:02.47 | neoice | I'm not sure what I'm going to do when I dont have a free colo :( |
| 11:02.54 | nkuttler | dome: so don't log out yet, log in from another terminal |
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| 11:04.44 | dome | my new user can log in but im getting permission denied on writing files |
| 11:05.00 | dome | i made sure it could login before closing root terminal |
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| 11:05.36 | iceroot | dome: as i said man su and man sudo for your permission problem |
| 11:05.37 | nkuttler | !tell dome about errors |
| 11:05.42 | peterrooney | dome: good for you, and THAT is why you never edit sudoers file directly. |
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| 11:06.28 | iceroot | dome: also try to understand the meaning of something like rwxr-xr-x |
| 11:06.39 | SmartGuy | any suggestions |
| 11:06.42 | iceroot | dome: that is very important to get a safe server |
| 11:06.58 | nsadmin | any suggestions about what? |
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| 11:07.10 | SmartGuy | abt the site i gave |
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| 11:07.25 | themill | SmartGuy: you need to describe the setup that you have |
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| 11:07.41 | nsadmin | not visiting a random site. do you have a question about debian specifically? |
| 11:07.57 | dome | well now wtf do i do |
| 11:08.09 | SmartGuy | not exactly i just neededd afeedback on the site |
| 11:08.14 | iceroot | dome: are you ignoring me? |
| 11:08.37 | themill | SmartGuy: is "utterly broken" the sort of feedback you wanted? |
| 11:08.41 | dome | ive read through them |
| 11:08.53 | nsadmin | SmartGuy: you mean the design of the site? there's #web |
| 11:08.56 | simonrvn | what site? |
| 11:08.59 | iceroot | dome: and you know what rwxr-xr-x is meaning? |
| 11:09.09 | SmartGuy | yes i got some feedback from there |
| 11:09.12 | themill | SmartGuy: ahh... less broken now. And yes, #debian isn't the place for this. |
| 11:09.14 | dome | i know its read write cmds |
| 11:09.18 | SmartGuy | ok |
| 11:09.54 | iceroot | dome: for owner, group and world |
| 11:10.01 | simonrvn | dome: permissions |
| 11:10.03 | themill | SmartGuy: I mean, you can't even use the excuse that the machine is running debian so it's sort of related... |
| 11:10.12 | dome | yes i got that part |
| 11:10.14 | iceroot | dome: so maybe you understand know why you get permission denied if you want to write a file if you are not root |
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| 11:10.24 | iceroot | dome: and you read man su and man sudo |
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| 11:10.42 | neoice | man chmod && wiki chmod |
| 11:10.56 | dome | root is disabled. new user cannot edit the file to turn root back on |
| 11:11.00 | nsadmin | really, whether the site is running debian or not is secondary since he's asking a question about the output of a customized web app |
| 11:11.00 | SmartGuy | you are right on that |
| 11:11.11 | iceroot | dome: read man sudo and man su again |
| 11:11.15 | neoice | su |
| 11:11.35 | SmartGuy | its not customised its written from scartch |
| 11:11.37 | twiinz | hi there, is it possible to restore a deleted file from a package? i dont want to reinstall everything, just a couple of file that i can see with dpkg -L mypackage |
| 11:12.16 | themill | twiinz: either repackage it or use dpkg-divert |
| 11:12.42 | SmartGuy | the truth is i want to know from a linux point of view since i am using windows os |
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| 11:13.15 | twiinz | themill: im just using the package, not creating/maintaining it, does that still apply? |
| 11:14.14 | dome | iceroot: i have found nothing in either manual telling me how to over ride permissions so I can turn my root back on |
| 11:14.16 | peterrooney | twiinz: you can use dpkg --extract <package> <tmpdir>, and then copy over the files needed from tmpdir |
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| 11:14.34 | twiinz | ah peterrooney that'd work, let me try |
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| 11:15.30 | dome | iceroot: any info now? |
| 11:15.37 | twiinz | hehe one more stupid question, the package comes from apt-get install, where can i find it ? |
| 11:15.54 | peterrooney | twiinz: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 11:17.07 | twiinz | that's awesome peterrooney, it all worked, thanks a lot for your help |
| 11:17.07 | peterrooney | twiinz: unless, of course, you regularly run autoclean, in which case you'd have to do something like 'apt-get --download-only install <package> |
| 11:17.26 | twiinz | noted ;) |
| 11:17.39 | peterrooney | I remember having to do that a lot when I had a 4 GB hard drive. |
| 11:18.04 | dome | can I uninstall sudo to get it back? |
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| 11:18.24 | neoice | dome: thats totally ilogical. |
| 11:18.28 | neoice | illogical* |
| 11:18.35 | dome | well then how do i get my root back |
| 11:18.50 | dome | if I dont have permission to edit the visudo file and root is logged out |
| 11:19.00 | neoice | did root have a password? |
| 11:19.12 | dome | yes |
| 11:19.27 | peterrooney | and, can root log in? |
| 11:19.31 | dome | no |
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| 11:19.40 | dome | thats why I have a problem |
| 11:19.50 | neoice | have you run just 'su' by itself and enter your root password? |
| 11:19.57 | peterrooney | dome: you didn't edit /etc/passwd directly, did you? |
| 11:20.08 | dome | no i did not edit the etc/passwd |
| 11:20.21 | dome | i tried to run su and got an error.. 1 sec ill do it again |
| 11:20.25 | iceroot | dome: man su |
| 11:20.30 | iceroot | dome: read that!!! |
| 11:20.33 | neoice | a non-password failure error? |
| 11:20.51 | neoice | iceroot: I just skimmed over it. the relevant details are in the first two sentences |
| 11:21.11 | simNIX | try sudo bash |
| 11:21.13 | iceroot | dome: you dont want to get back root with ssh, you want to use us and sudo |
| 11:21.17 | neoice | at first I thought it failed to mention that because its 2-3 screens explaining options that rarely get used |
| 11:21.34 | simNIX | by default no password is set for root in Debian (sudu use is asumed) |
| 11:21.47 | valdyn | simNIX: umm? |
| 11:21.51 | neoice | smica: since when? |
| 11:21.55 | dtr | since never |
| 11:21.55 | peterrooney | simNIX: since when? |
| 11:21.55 | valdyn | simNIX: youre talking about ubuntu |
| 11:22.02 | neoice | valdyn++ |
| 11:22.09 | iceroot | he has disabled root-login with ssh but he think he cant get root anymore and he dont want to read man su and man sudo |
| 11:22.10 | dome | ok. last time trying to explain this |
| 11:22.18 | simNIX | since I preseed my Debian I asumed wrongly |
| 11:22.26 | neoice | Debian installer creates a root password and then requests (forces?) you to create a user |
| 11:22.44 | dome | I used su.. used my root pw and when i try to edit the sshd config i get permission denied |
| 11:22.46 | neoice | simNIX: xen-create-image defaults to no root password as well |
| 11:22.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | neoice: expert install can create a locked-for-logins root account |
| 11:22.55 | iceroot | dome: whoami |
| 11:23.03 | neoice | 'id' is nicer |
| 11:23.04 | iceroot | dome: whats the output of it in the shell? |
| 11:23.09 | dtr | dome: is your user part of the wheel group? |
| 11:23.21 | neoice | dtr: isnt pam_wheel disabled by default? |
| 11:23.22 | simNIX | in that case; try sudo passwd or sudo bash to set one ? |
| 11:23.29 | dome | whoami = dome |
| 11:23.35 | neoice | dome: then you are not root. |
| 11:23.37 | iceroot | dome: then you are not root |
| 11:23.40 | dome | obviously |
| 11:23.42 | neoice | lol first |
| 11:23.47 | simNIX | hehe |
| 11:23.47 | iceroot | neoice: :( |
| 11:24.01 | peterrooney | dome: you have to be root to write any changes to /etc/sshd_config |
| 11:24.08 | dome | I understand this |
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| 11:25.03 | neoice | 'sudo whoami' ? |
| 11:25.12 | peterrooney | did you get "Error writing /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Permission denied" |
| 11:25.26 | simNIX | dome did you try sudo passwd (to set a root password) or sudo bash (to work as root)? |
| 11:25.26 | neoice | it feels like something is b0rked with the root user, not with the root permissions |
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| 11:25.38 | neoice | or sudo su - |
| 11:26.39 | dome | k i got my root back |
| 11:26.44 | dome | I had to restart ssh |
| 11:26.45 | neoice | what worked? |
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| 11:26.58 | neoice | how did you restart ssh without root? |
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| 11:27.17 | dome | good question |
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| 11:27.26 | dome | afterward i did whoami and still said dome |
| 11:27.36 | neoice | I fail to see what the issue is still because you should be able to get a root prompt |
| 11:27.42 | neoice | if you have root permissions |
| 11:27.43 | dome | i could do a lot of stuff but i couldnt edit the sshconfig |
| 11:27.49 | neoice | head /etc/passwd ? |
| 11:27.50 | dome | but it let me restart /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 11:28.09 | dome | i understand what su does |
| 11:28.18 | dome | allowing me root access as a seperate user |
| 11:28.28 | dome | but for some reason it did not work |
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| 11:29.04 | valdyn | dome: you need to stop thinking you understand anything |
| 11:29.20 | valdyn | dome: thats in fact what you are fighting against, your misconceptions of everything |
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| 11:29.34 | dome | im sorry. thats what it states in the first sentence of man su then valdyn |
| 11:29.56 | valdyn | dome: not my manpage |
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| 11:30.14 | dome | The su command is used to become another user during a login session. |
| 11:30.14 | dome | Invoked without a username, su defaults to becoming the superuser. |
| 11:30.27 | valdyn | dome: exactly |
| 11:30.31 | dome | thats my man page |
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| 11:32.41 | emil | i cant get cron to work! i added this with crontab -e 10 12 * * * "/usr/local/bin/backup.sh username password" |
| 11:32.49 | emil | but it doesnt run! |
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| 11:33.10 | valdyn | emil: i dont think you can put this in " |
| 11:33.11 | emil | i have tried without "" |
| 11:33.15 | valdyn | emil: skip the " |
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| 11:34.05 | emil | valdyn, will try again. it should run in 2 mins |
| 11:34.46 | valdyn | emil: funny timezone youre in |
| 11:35.10 | emil | valdyn, sweden :) |
| 11:35.23 | valdyn | emil: its not 12:08 in sweden? |
| 11:35.30 | emil | its 12:35 |
| 11:35.43 | emil | i changed the time in the crontab -e too |
| 11:36.02 | emil | valdyn, it worked now. huge thanks :) |
| 11:36.22 | emil | i tried without "" before. must have been some other errors there |
| 11:36.41 | valdyn | emil: the first argument is the command to run |
| 11:36.49 | emil | isnt there a cron log-file somewhere? |
| 11:36.53 | valdyn | emil: err, the *program* to run |
| 11:37.03 | valdyn | emil: obviously the program isnt whats in " " |
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| 11:37.18 | valdyn | emil: no, what do you want logged? |
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| 11:37.25 | valdyn | emil: jobs are in syslog |
| 11:37.32 | valdyn | emil: job output is in your email |
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| 11:38.21 | emil | valdyn, i would want that "syntax"-error to be logged |
| 11:38.30 | emil | didnt get a mail. weird |
| 11:38.45 | valdyn | emil: roots email if you dont forward or alias that |
| 11:38.55 | emil | is it mail only on errors? |
| 11:38.56 | valdyn | emil: err, nm, its a user crontab-- |
| 11:39.13 | valdyn | emil: any output of your cronjob |
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| 11:39.22 | emil | valdyn, i run everything as root on this machine |
| 11:39.49 | valdyn | emil: run the mail command and see |
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| 11:40.23 | emil | intranet:~# mail |
| 11:40.23 | emil | No mail for root |
| 11:40.24 | valdyn | emil: check /etc/aliases for root |
| 11:40.37 | valdyn | emil: for root on the left side |
| 11:41.09 | emil | valdyn, okay. there was an alias for a user on this machine |
| 11:41.19 | emil | does that get created automatically for the first user? |
| 11:41.26 | valdyn | emil: no |
| 11:41.39 | valdyn | emil: its a dialogue |
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| 11:41.58 | emil | when you create the user? |
| 11:42.07 | valdyn | emil: when you install debian |
| 11:42.31 | valdyn | emil: i dont know at what point exactly |
| 11:42.35 | emil | okay. dont remember that dialogue.. |
| 11:42.57 | emil | is it possible to forward all mail to an external mail-address? |
| 11:43.07 | valdyn | emil: sure |
| 11:43.28 | emil | postfix with default configuration should be ok? |
| 11:43.35 | valdyn | emil: first of all your local mailer needs to be set up properly |
| 11:43.43 | valdyn | emil: try it |
| 11:43.54 | valdyn | emil: i mean, try if postfix will route mail correctly |
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| 11:44.27 | valdyn | emil: once you know that mail is routed correctly you can use aliases to collect mail at once specific local user |
| 11:44.34 | dome | Fatal Server Error: No Screens Found |
| 11:44.45 | valdyn | emil: and once that works you can setup a .forward file |
| 11:44.47 | valdyn | !.forward |
| 11:44.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, .forward is a file which exim and other popular SMTP servers use to forward incoming mails to other mail boxes.. try: echo "apt@debian.org" >.forward |
| 11:45.05 | valdyn | err, dont forward to apt |
| 11:45.24 | valdyn | emil: .forward is nicely documented on the web, since its such an old standard |
| 11:45.43 | emil | valdyn, okay. thanks |
| 11:46.03 | themill | dpkg, .forward =~ s/apt@debian.org/someone@example.com/ |
| 11:46.03 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 11:46.27 | dome | do I need to edit anything in xorg to be able to startx through ssh? |
| 11:46.51 | valdyn | dome: running startx through ssh in your case is a stupid idea |
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| 11:47.13 | dome | ok |
| 11:47.15 | dome | do I need to edit anything in xorg to be able to startx through ssh? |
| 11:47.33 | valdyn | dome: you cant use X on that hosted server |
| 11:47.34 | dome | oops wrong button |
| 11:47.47 | dome | oh.. why not? |
| 11:47.52 | valdyn | dome: it doesnt even have a gfx card or a monitor |
| 11:48.04 | valdyn | dome: how the hell would X run? |
| 11:48.13 | iceroot | dome: use ssh, its much more powerfull then a gui |
| 11:48.20 | valdyn | dome: and if it had a monitor you wouldnt see it anyway |
| 11:48.25 | themill | dpkg: tell dome about sshx |
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| 11:49.16 | dome | guess I will figure it out then |
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| 11:50.00 | iceroot | dome: maybe you are searching for smething like webmin, to not use the shell for everything |
| 11:50.17 | Raven737 | Hi.. i just setup debain with lvm but now at boot i get the error mounting /dev/root to /root failed (not found)... this is true becuase it is in /dev/vg/root (volume group of lvm). Where is the config/script that tries to mount /root? TIA |
| 11:50.21 | dome | webmin is supposedly installed already but have no idea how to access it |
| 11:50.25 | iceroot | dome: but as i said before, learn some linux then come back and host a server |
| 11:50.39 | dome | and I want to instal a gui for use with vnc because thats what I want to do |
| 11:50.54 | iceroot | dome: no you dont want vnc to manage a server |
| 11:51.06 | dome | im not going to manage it that way. i just want to be able to do it |
| 11:51.24 | iceroot | dome: for what task you need vnc exactly? |
| 11:51.30 | dome | im trying to learn things here. but when I run startx im getting errors |
| 11:51.35 | dome | because I want to |
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| 11:52.00 | iceroot | dome: ubuntu.com/download download karmic 9.10 desktop edition, install it in a vm or use the live-cd to learn linux |
| 11:52.08 | dome | because i couldnt get it to work earlier so I am determined to fix it |
| 11:52.33 | Raven737 | Where/How is /root mounted??? |
| 11:52.36 | iceroot | dome: after you can manage ubuntu, try a debian without a gui |
| 11:52.48 | dome | its liek talking to a wall |
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| 11:52.57 | iceroot | dome: same here |
| 11:53.05 | valdyn | dome: X cannot be started on your remote server, period |
| 11:53.13 | dome | it shouldnt matter why I want or need to. |
| 11:53.16 | iceroot | dome: you dont know anything about linux, nothing and you want to host a server... |
| 11:53.19 | valdyn | dome: you can use vnc, but you shouldnt |
| 11:53.19 | dome | ok then thats all I have been looking for |
| 11:53.27 | dome | if it wont start then I am using the wrong thing |
| 11:53.34 | valdyn | dome: no |
| 11:53.54 | valdyn | dome: i told you: your hosted remote server HAS NOT MONITOR and NO GFX CARD, startx cannot work |
| 11:54.04 | dome | i know this |
| 11:54.07 | dome | we just went over that |
| 11:54.20 | emil | dome, you can access webmin http://serverip:10000 |
| 11:54.31 | Raven737 | dome: just forget aboutusing linux debian.. you install it and it comes up with error cause it can't mount /root and nobody wants to help you :( |
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| 11:54.46 | valdyn | Raven737: whats your boot manager? |
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| 11:54.53 | Raven737 | lilo |
| 11:54.55 | dome | webmin must not be installed then.. i tried that ip/port earlier and just now to no avail |
| 11:55.12 | iceroot | dome: apt-get install webmin |
| 11:55.12 | valdyn | Raven737: which partition is your kernel on? |
| 11:55.15 | Raven737 | valdyn: grub (and grub2) failed on install... lilo at least worked somewhat |
| 11:55.36 | valdyn | Raven737: which installer did you use? |
| 11:55.38 | iceroot | dome: as root,, or use sudo apt-get install webmin |
| 11:55.47 | Raven737 | valdyn: i think a boot partition but not sure... how do i check? |
| 11:55.50 | xand | ?webmin |
| 11:55.51 | emil | dome, didnt you get any information from the company that set up the server for you? if webmin was installed by default, there should be some information |
| 11:55.52 | xand | !webmin |
| 11:55.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 11:55.58 | dome | Package webmin has no installation candidate |
| 11:55.58 | valdyn | Raven737: you need to use a *stable* debian isntaller, not testing, not squeeze, not weekly builds |
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| 11:56.12 | Raven737 | valdyn: used net install cd |
| 11:56.12 | xand | webmin is not in debian, cos it's poo |
| 11:56.19 | dome | lol |
| 11:56.28 | Raven737 | valdyn: but i want/need 2.6.30+ |
| 11:56.42 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 11:56.42 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 11:56.57 | valdyn | Raven737: useing known broken installers is not the fix for your or any problem |
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| 11:57.12 | Raven737 | valdyn: it is a test system, i want to test squeeze |
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| 11:57.22 | dome | I dunerstand you guys saying not to use vnc. But thats not helping me. I want to use it. i want to get it working. I have used it before on centos. I am not going to use it for running the server. I just want to do it because I can |
| 11:57.30 | valdyn | Raven737: you did just teset the squeeze installer, contratulations |
| 11:57.37 | babilen | Raven737: Do a stable installation and upgrade to squeeze afterwards |
| 11:57.45 | valdyn | Raven737: now report a bug and use something that works |
| 11:58.10 | babilen | Raven737: If you need a newer kernel (because of unsupported hardware) use the *stable* installer from kmuto |
| 11:58.14 | Raven737 | valdyn: lol ok ok ;-) |
| 11:58.26 | Raven737 | got it, install etch and upgrade to testing |
| 11:58.34 | valdyn | Raven737: not etch, lenny |
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| 11:59.09 | Raven737 | valdyn: yes what i mean.. wow i'm out of it totay |
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| 11:59.21 | iceroot | dome: again, what excatly want you do with vnc? |
| 11:59.33 | iceroot | dome: using gedit because you cant use vi, nano or emacs? |
| 11:59.39 | Raven737 | babilen: thank you for the suggestion of kmuto! |
| 11:59.40 | emil | dome, is it a dedicated server, with a graphicscard or is it a virtual server? |
| 11:59.45 | dome | i dont even know what gedit is |
| 11:59.54 | iceroot | dome: editor |
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| 12:00.05 | dome | i just want to install it |
| 12:00.07 | dome | thats it |
| 12:00.16 | dome | because I can |
| 12:00.38 | dome | its a dedicated 1U rack |
| 12:00.40 | emil | dome, apt-get install vncserver as root |
| 12:00.59 | dome | cant find package |
| 12:01.06 | dome | i have vncserver4 installed though |
| 12:01.09 | dtr | perhaps you should vm debian before you work with a dedicated |
| 12:01.11 | valdyn | !tell dome about search |
| 12:01.16 | dtr | to learn your way around |
| 12:01.30 | dome | i will eventually |
| 12:01.41 | dome | once its done downloading |
| 12:01.46 | babilen | Raven737: You are welcome, but it was valdyn who suggested it first. |
| 12:01.56 | babilen | Raven737: Do you need a newer kernel for the installation? |
| 12:02.05 | dome | Couldn't find package vncserver |
| 12:02.43 | dtr | dome apt-get install tightvncserver |
| 12:02.55 | dome | i keep getting told that X wont work from ssh but every how to: i read says to install x and then kde or gnome and then run vncserver |
| 12:02.56 | emil | dome, okay. the package probably has another name then. but if you already have vncserver4 installed, you dont need to install it again |
| 12:02.59 | Raven737 | babilen: well, i guess i can also try with other kernel and then just install the newer kernel image? |
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| 12:03.22 | Raven737 | valdyn: thank you for your suggestion, didn't see it at first :) |
| 12:03.25 | dome | dtr: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tightvnc/tightvncserver_1.3.9-4_amd64. |
| 12:03.28 | babilen | Raven737: Yes. If you upgrade from lenny to squeeze you will get the kernel image that is in squeeze |
| 12:03.55 | dtr | as root? |
| 12:03.55 | Raven737 | babilen: and that is .30+? |
| 12:04.03 | babilen | Raven737: You should use the CDs from kmuto if you need a newer kernel at installation time (due to unsupported hardware in older kernels) |
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| 12:04.04 | emil | dome, i dont know if you can use x11-forwarding without an running x11 server. you will have to try |
| 12:04.37 | dome | when I did it on centos. I am pretty sure I had to edit something and I think I installed screen as well |
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| 12:04.47 | emil | dome, run ssh -XC serverip |
| 12:04.48 | dome | but that was a while ago |
| 12:04.53 | babilen | Raven737: Yes |
| 12:05.13 | dome | emil: ssh: Could not resolve hostname serverip: Name or service not known |
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| 12:05.21 | dtr | lol |
| 12:05.26 | emil | dome, change serverip to the ip of your server :) |
| 12:05.27 | Raven737 | babilen: ah i see, thank you for lcearing that up. I will try to just go with lenny and then upgrad. If i have problems i will try the kmuto cd :) |
| 12:05.31 | dome | :) |
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| 12:06.27 | dome | ok i did that |
| 12:06.30 | babilen | Raven737: great. If you don't have *really* new hw it should work with the .26 kernel in lenny |
| 12:06.31 | emil | dome, once you are in. try to run an application that uses x11 |
| 12:06.37 | emil | like xeyes |
| 12:06.52 | dome | Error: Can't open display: |
| 12:07.24 | Raven737 | Well i will see. Thanks for all the help!!! =) |
| 12:07.32 | emil | dome, okay. problably need to install and run an x11 server then |
| 12:08.00 | emil | dome, probably need a display-manager like gdm too |
| 12:08.08 | emil | or something more lightweight |
| 12:08.25 | dome | i have xorg, gnome, kde installed |
| 12:08.28 | dtr | i doubt his dedicated has a video card though |
| 12:08.39 | dome | no it doesnt |
| 12:08.46 | dome | i dont think |
| 12:09.04 | emil | dtr, i work for a hosting company. i have never seen a dedicated server without a video card |
| 12:09.08 | dome | it worked on another box I had |
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| 12:09.52 | emil | dtr, simple vga-graphics card. helps alot when you install the server if you dont have kvm |
| 12:09.55 | dome | last time it was as simple as installing X, installing KDE, screen and vnc and voila I was on |
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| 12:10.37 | fhd | Hi. Can someone tell me how I can get the latex glossaries CTAN package in Debian the nice way? |
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| 12:11.49 | emil | dome, something isnt running as it should then. dont know what. seem weird that you have both gnome and kde installed |
| 12:12.41 | emil | it should be possible to run x11 on a dedicated server and use it as a desktop machine. i would never do anything like that. but it should be possible :) |
| 12:12.54 | emil | its a huge waste of the server resources |
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| 12:13.13 | dome | I just removed xorg kde gnome and screen |
| 12:13.18 | dome | gonna try again |
| 12:13.30 | emil | dont install both kde and gnome |
| 12:13.36 | dome | no i only want kde |
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| 12:15.00 | Kraftzwerk | what is the sensible way to grant access to, say, /var/www/mythweb/ to a single user while denying access to all other directories? (what to put where in apache configuration, that is) |
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| 12:15.45 | Raven737 | Hi again. How/Where do i report an installer bug for squeeze? |
| 12:15.59 | Kraftzwerk | deny from all, allow some kind of override, put .htaccess in /var/www/mythweb ? |
| 12:16.05 | Meths | dome: use dmesg and lspci and find out what graphics is on the system rather than wasting time with all this speculation. |
| 12:16.20 | dome | http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-manage-machines-using-vnc.html |
| 12:16.21 | emil | Kraftzwerk, i would give the user an ftp-account using proftpd. make /var/www/mythweb/ his home-directory and chroot him there |
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| 12:16.48 | Meths | dome: if you say startx is reporting errors then pastebin the errors so people in here aren't guessing |
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| 12:17.03 | Kraftzwerk | emil: sadly, it has to be apache :/ |
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| 12:17.42 | emil | Kraftzwerk, okay. should be able to upload files? then .htaccess |
| 12:17.55 | Kraftzwerk | okay, will do |
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| 12:18.35 | dome | http://pastebin.com/d15a8c507 |
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| 12:19.14 | emil | dome, that guide is probably for a debian desktop installation. a server installation doesnt have an x11 server |
| 12:20.05 | dome | it is for server install |
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| 12:21.19 | emil | dome, do you have access to reinstall the server? if you do, reinstall debian with a desktop distribution, test whatever you want using vnc and then reinstall it with a server distribution when you want to use it as a server. |
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| 12:21.41 | dome | no i dont |
| 12:21.55 | dome | i just had it reloaded from windows 2003 to debian a few hours ago |
| 12:21.59 | emil | dome, what you are doing is pretty much trying to convert a server distribution to a desktop distribution |
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| 12:27.43 | dome | what about this http://pastebin.com/d3b0dcf68 |
| 12:27.58 | dome | its a valid url. u can type it in and it will try and download it |
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| 12:29.05 | neoice | dome: is your DNS broken? |
| 12:29.14 | emil | dome, it works for me. probably a routing or dns problem |
| 12:29.24 | dome | how can I check |
| 12:29.25 | emil | dome, can you ping google.com ? |
| 12:29.30 | dome | 1sec |
| 12:29.35 | neoice | also, DoD? L4D man. |
| 12:29.46 | dtr | cs |
| 12:29.59 | neoice | 1.6 |
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| 12:30.40 | dome | dome@limestone:~$ ping -i http://www.google.com ping: bad timing interval. |
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| 12:30.49 | neoice | what the hell |
| 12:30.51 | babilen | o_O |
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| 12:31.18 | dome | no i |
| 12:31.20 | ferr | :P |
| 12:31.41 | neoice | lol, yeah why are you using -i? |
| 12:31.42 | dome | im gonna run dod tf2 and l4d2 |
| 12:31.47 | dome | i didnt mean to |
| 12:31.51 | dome | but it still didnt work |
| 12:32.09 | dome | dome@limestone:~$ ping http://www.google.com |
| 12:32.13 | dtr | what about, host google.com |
| 12:32.15 | dome | ping: unknown host http://www.google.com |
| 12:32.15 | emil | dome, just run ping google.com |
| 12:32.21 | neoice | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:32.24 | emil | no http:// |
| 12:32.26 | dome | i did and same thing |
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| 12:32.34 | neoice | ^^ |
| 12:32.39 | dome | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 12:32.47 | neoice | you dont have dns |
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| 12:32.50 | neoice | ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 12:33.04 | emil | dome, run the command neoice wrote and thry to ping the resulting ips |
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| 12:33.12 | emil | dome, if any |
| 12:33.20 | dome | its pinging them |
| 12:33.30 | neoice | cat /etc/resolv.conf please |
| 12:33.46 | neoice | should have 1-3 IPs in there and maybe a comment |
| 12:34.35 | dome | how # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
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| 12:34.42 | dome | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 12:34.45 | dome | thats all it says |
| 12:34.49 | neoice | lol |
| 12:34.59 | neoice | thats were your DNS servers should be |
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| 12:35.11 | neoice | echo '4.2.2.2' > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:35.14 | themill | dome: are you using dhcp on this machine? |
| 12:35.17 | neoice | and then try resolving hosts |
| 12:35.48 | dome | so i just need to get with my host and have them fix the dns? |
| 12:36.19 | emil | dome, yes. they probably have dns-servers that you can use. or you can use neoice's server |
| 12:36.22 | neoice | are you using DHCP? |
| 12:36.34 | dome | i dunno |
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| 12:36.38 | emil | neoice, is that some public dns server? |
| 12:36.40 | neoice | do you have a static IP address? |
| 12:36.46 | ferr | ps axu | grep dhcl | wc -l ? |
| 12:37.00 | dome | my dns servers are ns1.limestonenetworks.com |
| 12:37.00 | neoice | emil: its the standard public DNS server, its used for testing and examples |
| 12:37.19 | neoice | I think it was run by GTE or something for a long time |
| 12:37.21 | emil | neoice, ok. great. good to know :) |
| 12:37.37 | neoice | emil: I think 4.2.2.1-4 work too |
| 12:37.44 | neoice | or there's some sort of alternatives around there |
| 12:37.54 | neoice | 4.2.2.2 can be really slow |
| 12:38.36 | dome | how do i add the dns |
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| 12:39.04 | dutchfish | dome, in /etc/resolv.conf lines like nameserver x.x.x.x |
| 12:39.08 | themill | that "fix" will only last until he either reboots the machine or the dhcp lease is renewed. Fix it properly in /etc/network/interfaces or in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base |
| 12:39.26 | dtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.30 | neoice | dutchfish: I always forget the 'nameserver' part. thats a fun troubleshooting experience. |
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| 12:39.45 | dome | i thought if I edit that file it would just be overwritten??? |
| 12:39.59 | dutchfish | dome, you might want to take a look at /etc/network/interfaces first |
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| 12:40.42 | dutchfish | dome, correct |
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| 12:41.03 | dutchfish | dome, as long as you are using dhcp |
| 12:41.08 | dome | im just gonna submit a support ticket. |
| 12:41.11 | dome | yes i have static ip |
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| 12:41.32 | dutchfish | dome, yes, and ask them why there dhcp server dont hand out proper dns server settings |
| 12:41.40 | dome | i guess when they reloaded os tonight they missed some of the things they were supposed to do |
| 12:41.45 | emil | dome, let them fix it. they may want you to use some specific dns-server |
| 12:41.57 | dutchfish | dome, they might have semifixed ip support |
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| 12:42.15 | dutchfish | dome, dhcp ip by reservation |
| 12:42.54 | dutchfish | dome, any any case they should fix it |
| 12:43.11 | dutchfish | dome, good luck |
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| 12:43.40 | dome | ty |
| 12:43.44 | dutchfish | emil, whats wrong with that? |
| 12:43.45 | dome | i sent them a ticket |
| 12:44.04 | dome | i miss windows :) |
| 12:44.09 | dome | but im learning a lot |
| 12:44.10 | emil | dutchfish, whats wrong with what? |
| 12:44.14 | dutchfish | dome, no, you dont |
| 12:44.28 | neoice | just a new learning experience dude |
| 12:44.34 | neoice | I bet you sucked at windows on day 1 |
| 12:44.39 | dome | this sucks cuz i cant even get my game files downloaded tonight |
| 12:44.44 | dutchfish | emil, there is a good reasen to use there advised dns servers 9think latency) |
| 12:45.19 | emil | dutchfish, exactly. thats why i told him to let them fix it so he uses the right one |
| 12:45.30 | dutchfish | emil, yep |
| 12:45.45 | emil | dutchfish, nothing wrong here :) |
| 12:45.47 | neoice | dome: you can temporarily add 4.2.2.2 to /etc/resolv.conf but in the longterm, you'll need a different fix |
| 12:45.58 | dtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.04 | dome | nah i dont wanna screw anythign else up |
| 12:46.25 | dutchfish | dome, stick to your hosters advice |
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| 12:46.30 | dome | im busy reading right now about how to setup ftp |
| 12:47.31 | neoice | dome: do you really need ftp? ssh has sftp built in |
| 12:47.39 | dutchfish | dome, you might be intested the in vsftp |
| 12:47.40 | neoice | waaay more secure. |
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| 12:48.07 | dome | i need something with username and pw for a few people to access server files |
| 12:48.20 | dome | i would like them to be locked in specific dir though if possible |
| 12:48.34 | dutchfish | dome, vsftp |
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| 12:48.50 | dome | is it packaged in debian? |
| 12:49.00 | dutchfish | dome, dont give any user shellaccess |
| 12:49.06 | dutchfish | dome, yes |
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| 12:49.25 | neoice | bin/scponly :D |
| 12:49.27 | dome | well the ftp will actually go through the swiftpanel when im done |
| 12:49.33 | dome | def not giving shell |
| 12:49.41 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:50.57 | neoice | dome: is there a reason you're not just using a prefab solution for this? |
| 12:51.35 | dutchfish | neoice, stop trolling |
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| 12:52.20 | dome | neoice: define prefab solution |
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| 12:52.40 | neoice | dutchfish: I'm genuinely curious, even if the answer is just "for the learning experience" |
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| 12:53.14 | neoice | dome: there's lots of providers that you can just click a button and get a game server with FTP and control panel |
| 12:53.21 | dome | this is why i pull triggers and teach marksmanship for a living lol |
| 12:53.29 | dome | ahh |
| 12:53.38 | dome | 1 is actually for learning exp and 2 its much cheaper |
| 12:53.57 | neoice | having looked at the prices, muuuch cheaper. |
| 12:54.21 | dome | i pay $125 for a Q9300 8GB 100mb 4000GB |
| 12:54.50 | KrEo | wireshark il fume qd on vient ici ... pas cool |
| 12:54.51 | dome | that server already setup would cost $220+ |
| 12:55.16 | dtr | way overkill lol |
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| 12:55.54 | dome | i was running 5 public servers and a dota server plus 4 privates on win2003 |
| 12:56.01 | dome | and i figured.. hey. lets try linux |
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| 12:56.19 | dome | and i was informed by many GSP guys that debian ftw |
| 12:56.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | dota? |
| 12:56.28 | dome | defense of the ancients |
| 12:56.36 | dome | warcraft3 mod |
| 12:56.45 | dtr | you will just need to learn a lot |
| 12:57.04 | dome | oh i will |
| 12:57.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
| 12:57.19 | ferr | dome 5 public servers? |
| 12:57.23 | dome | i had to get more beer for this |
| 12:57.24 | ferr | pvpgn? |
| 12:57.31 | dome | pvpgn? |
| 12:57.38 | dtr | debian is ftw |
| 12:57.38 | dome | i was running tf2 dods and css |
| 12:57.45 | dome | only 1 dota server |
| 12:57.49 | dome | cod4 pub as well |
| 12:57.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | remenises about tf2 and css |
| 12:58.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 12:58.03 | dtr | i have a css pub, no one plays on it though |
| 12:58.04 | emil | are there different servers for css and cs? |
| 12:58.05 | ferr | what is dota server?:) |
| 12:58.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ferr: read up t lines :) |
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| 12:58.21 | neoice | ferr: its a video game |
| 12:58.27 | ferr | i know w3 |
| 12:58.28 | ferr | and dota |
| 12:58.29 | joza | cz? |
| 12:58.30 | neoice | ferr: I cant recall the acronym |
| 12:58.38 | ferr | but i know only pvpgn for server |
| 12:58.55 | dome | so apparently the support tech said they didnt install mysql or webmin and hes fixiing the resolver issue as well |
| 12:58.59 | neoice | pvpgn is a very specific kind of "game server" |
| 12:59.02 | dome | thx for the help guys |
| 12:59.06 | dtr | dome: just fyi, apt-get update will update all your installed packages |
| 12:59.10 | dome | i know its hard when im stubborn |
| 12:59.19 | dome | i tried that but it didnt work |
| 12:59.26 | dome | i guess because of the dns issue? |
| 12:59.29 | dtr | yes |
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| 12:59.40 | emil | dome, apt-get update will update your list of packaged. apt-get upgrade will actually upgrade them. run both |
| 12:59.47 | dtr | apt-get upgrade then apt-get update |
| 12:59.49 | ferr | neoice: do u know other servers for w3? |
| 12:59.50 | dome | kk |
| 12:59.52 | dtr | yea |
| 12:59.59 | emil | dtr, the other way around |
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| 13:00.47 | dome | im digging my fresh install of win7 |
| 13:00.49 | neoice | ferr: no, pvpgn is a very specific solution to Blizzard's bnet system |
| 13:01.23 | neoice | ferr: I believe there is another bnet reimplementation in existance, but its much less active |
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| 13:01.26 | emil | dome, i get crazy after using windows for more than 10 minutes |
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| 13:01.31 | dome | lol |
| 13:01.34 | neoice | me too |
| 13:01.39 | babilen | dome: Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade" actually |
| 13:01.55 | ferr | neoice: i don't know other solutions, but pvpgn is working well |
| 13:02.00 | dome | so whats a good free virtual thing to run so i can install debian on my desktop |
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| 13:02.11 | neoice | dome: virtualbox. |
| 13:02.11 | emil | i need debian or ubuntu and three monitors to be productive |
| 13:02.24 | emil | otherwise i just feel trapped :) |
| 13:02.26 | neoice | emil: I just need a shell prompt :P |
| 13:02.50 | emil | neoice, you do all your internet buisness in elinks? :) |
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| 13:03.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | which reminds me, I need to make my monitor go vertical instead of landscape. should be a fun project |
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| 13:04.15 | dtr | i can see 2 monitors, but 3? what are you doing lol |
| 13:04.42 | neoice | massive amounts of pr0n |
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| 13:04.57 | dome | anyone have link for debian image file? |
| 13:05.03 | neoice | google does |
| 13:05.11 | dome | kk |
| 13:05.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg does :) |
| 13:05.11 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: wish i knew |
| 13:05.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | bloody bot |
| 13:05.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: <3 |
| 13:05.22 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:05.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
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| 13:05.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | is rejected |
| 13:05.38 | dtr | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian |
| 13:05.48 | dutchfish | .coffee Kamping_Kaiser |
| 13:05.54 | emil | dtr, normaly i have, mail, irc and notes in one display. programming enviroment in one and browser in one |
| 13:06.24 | emil | right now i have xchat in one. firefox in one and pidgin in one |
| 13:06.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dutchfish: :) its saturday night (hell, its almost sunday). beer is on the cards :) |
| 13:06.32 | dtr | makes sense to me |
| 13:06.33 | emil | and terminals all over the place :) |
| 13:06.35 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 13:06.35 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 13:06.42 | dome | sheesh... how big is debian |
| 13:06.47 | neoice | I like how '$package debian' almost always links to packages.debian |
| 13:06.52 | dome | like 5 dvds worth of image files |
| 13:07.02 | neoice | dome: thats for the ENTIRE repo of EVERYTHING |
| 13:07.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | dome: no, 5 dvds of packages. |
| 13:07.06 | dtr | i always do net install |
| 13:07.06 | neoice | you only need the first CD |
| 13:07.09 | abrotman | dome: you only need the netinst |
| 13:07.11 | dtr | only 180mb |
| 13:07.16 | dtr | 130ish actually |
| 13:07.39 | dome | 131mb sound right? |
| 13:07.47 | neoice | perfect |
| 13:07.56 | dtr | yea |
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| 13:08.19 | dtr | you have to manually install things, but you need to learn anyway |
| 13:08.29 | dtr | only what you need |
| 13:08.38 | BleSS | hi! if there is anybody is interested in helping to support NILFS2 in grub, please contact in #grub |
| 13:09.04 | abrotman | BleSS: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 13:09.38 | ktebit | im using debian |
| 13:09.44 | ktebit | is there a standard file so i dont need to restore it after each reboot with a cronjob? |
| 13:09.50 | ktebit | i want to put my iptable rule there |
| 13:10.17 | abrotman | ktebit: you create an iptables script and use the init system or the pre-up in hte interfaces |
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| 13:10.31 | BleSS | abrotman: does debian uses grub as boot-loader? it ist's so then all debian users could benefit of that |
| 13:10.32 | ktebit | in my rc files |
| 13:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | BleSS: please don't spam |
| 13:10.51 | ktebit | maybe put a script under /etc/init.d/ to start/stop the firewall ? |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | BleSS: do you need debian help or not? |
| 13:11.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | will have to take a clue-by-four to the grub maintainer(s) he knows |
| 13:11.05 | abrotman | ktebit: that's one way |
| 13:11.12 | ktebit | and the other? |
| 13:11.14 | dome | i hate hawaii internet |
| 13:11.22 | dome | 80kbs |
| 13:11.27 | dome | bleh |
| 13:11.31 | ktebit | whats the easiest way |
| 13:11.32 | ktebit | ? |
| 13:11.37 | abrotman | ktebit: i just told you |
| 13:12.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | And I'd suggest the if-up option, if your not familiar with init |
| 13:12.18 | ktebit | I'm sure Debian has implemented this wheel I have reinvented |
| 13:12.27 | abrotman | ktebit: no, they haven't |
| 13:12.30 | neoice | surprisingly no |
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| 13:12.41 | abrotman | they did .. then it was removed .. it's back again, but not in lenny |
| 13:12.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | I thought I understood sysv-init, and it turnsout i'm stumped by it :( |
| 13:12.50 | neoice | huzzah! |
| 13:12.57 | emil | ktebit, just put anything you want to run at boot in /etc/rc.local |
| 13:13.00 | neoice | is it in squeeze? |
| 13:13.11 | emil | ktebit, there are some documentation in that file |
| 13:13.11 | abrotman | NFC .. look |
| 13:13.21 | emil | ktebit, that definitely is the easiest way |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | but not really secure |
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| 13:14.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | emil: rc.local is processed on each runlevel change, oder? |
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| 13:14.47 | emil | Kamping_Kaiser, oh. it is. my mistake. i thought it was run just once |
| 13:15.06 | emil | ktebit, maybe its not such a good idea after all. it should work though |
| 13:15.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | emil: since a debian box only uses levels 0,1,2,6 its a small blow to take |
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| 13:15.44 | abrotman | it's still not the right place |
| 13:15.48 | emil | from rc.local "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel." |
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| 13:17.05 | neoice | if-up is the best place for it |
| 13:17.24 | neoice | unless you want to write the entire script |
| 13:17.38 | abrotman | it's the pre-up in the interfaces file |
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| 13:25.21 | izanuff | so webmin is like a shitty web based ssh |
| 13:25.53 | iceroot | izanuff: its a web-software for editing configs/settings |
| 13:26.10 | izanuff | can i edit my ssh users and pw via webmin? |
| 13:26.14 | abrotman | izanuff: but you sohuldn't use it |
| 13:26.15 | izanuff | from the looks of it i can |
| 13:26.23 | izanuff | it looks like crap |
| 13:26.26 | izanuff | lol |
| 13:26.36 | iceroot | izanuff: use ssh |
| 13:26.48 | izanuff | rgr will do |
| 13:26.52 | izanuff | :) |
| 13:27.04 | thrashold | What's so bad about webmin? |
| 13:27.29 | iceroot | thrashold: its like yast |
| 13:27.39 | thrashold | I never used yast :) |
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| 13:27.53 | iceroot | thrashold: its working fine if you only using it but if you edit a config by hand, it can be get very wired |
| 13:28.11 | iceroot | thrashold: also, if webmin is old, its maybe doing something wrong with the config |
| 13:28.14 | abrotman | thrashold: it makes a mess out of configs .. besides being mildly insecure |
| 13:28.32 | thrashold | I see |
| 13:28.40 | iceroot | thrashold: so only use ssh and vi |
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| 13:28.54 | iceroot | or any other editor |
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| 13:34.39 | digilink | hi all, having a problem with a couple of network cards. I have two NIC system with an onboard Realtek 8101 and a Realtek 8169 as shown from lspci -v. Ive downloaded and installed the 8101 driver, but the 8101 card is still using the 8169 module. I can't remove it because the other card depends on it, and doing a modprobe on the 8101 yields no results |
| 13:34.53 | abrotman | downloaded ? |
| 13:35.02 | digilink | Im thinking a udev rule might be in order here, but I'm not sure of the best approach |
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| 13:35.52 | digilink | abrotman, yes, the driver is available on realtek's website and is not in the stock debian kernel |
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| 13:36.12 | digilink | and from the best I can tell, it has been excluded from more recent kernels as well, but Im not entirely sure |
| 13:36.55 | abrotman | do you have the PCIIDs? |
| 13:38.07 | d1b | digilink: lspci please. / what module. |
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| 13:38.20 | d1b | as the 8101 i thought was really a rtl 8169 and that shoudl work. |
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| 13:38.46 | izanuff | what was that ftp again.. vsftp? |
| 13:38.56 | digilink | d1b, it does work, but is unstable |
| 13:38.56 | abrotman | that's one of them |
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| 13:39.08 | digilink | Ive had better luck with the 8101 module |
| 13:39.13 | d1b | oh. seems to work fine for me... |
| 13:39.19 | abrotman | digilink: lspci -nn .. show us the line |
| 13:39.41 | StM | Is there a way a process can block a strace? I get a EPERM while i run the strace as root and its the only process where strace fails... |
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| 13:40.34 | digilink | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m7dc53adc |
| 13:40.46 | gusto | does someone here use ati catalyst as a video driver for his ati card? |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 13:41.12 | judd | abrotman: [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
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| 13:41.25 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10ec:8169 |
| 13:41.25 | judd | abrotman: [10ec:8169] is 'RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8169 |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | digilink: but you're saying they're just unstable, to the point of unusable ? |
| 13:42.16 | digilink | no, it just seems to lose connectivity for some reason on this driver as opposed to the true blue 8101 driver direct from the vendor... |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | didn't you say that one wasn't working at all ? |
| 13:42.43 | digilink | it's very hit and miss |
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| 13:43.09 | d1b | digilink: no idea i have an rtl-8169 pcmcia card and it works fine. |
| 13:43.40 | d1b | perhaps try a newer kernel? |
| 13:43.53 | digilink | in the past Ive simply generated a new initram image against this driver, but it borke it with the latest updates |
| 13:44.07 | digilink | *broke |
| 13:44.53 | d1b | fair enough. |
| 13:44.55 | digilink | d1b, that was one of my thoughts, but I can't tell if this driver is included in the newer kernels or not, I don't think it is but Im not sure |
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| 13:48.57 | jeeves | what is my best option to sync my laptop, desktop, and PDA? |
| 13:49.28 | jeeves | I need to be able to sync my contacts, and callender. currently, I use Dovecot for IMAP mail |
| 13:50.00 | Hoxzer_ | You coul use google calendar |
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| 13:51.51 | jeeves | Hoxzer, I'd like to maintain control over it (also, so I can use the contacts in RoundCube on my server when I access it via the web account) |
| 13:53.28 | jeeves | Hoxzer, I'd like to maintain control over it (also, so I can use the contacts in RoundCube on my server when I access it via the web account) |
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| 14:02.20 | taras | what affect ability to change screen brigness with fn keys? |
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| 14:02.51 | taras | I've included user to all groups where is included user, for who it works |
| 14:04.45 | taras | and it still doesn't work |
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| 14:07.49 | themill | taras: it requires the keys to correctly generate either keypress or acpi events *and* for the xorg video driver to support controlling brightness. |
| 14:08.19 | taras | why in one user it works and in another doesn't? |
| 14:08.37 | taras | in text consoles doesn't work too |
| 14:10.41 | versuchsanstalt | i am trying to netinst on an asus m3n78-vm mainboard and cant get the sata cdrom to work (no cdrom found, ls/dev/ wont show any drives). i guess this is a common error, what should i do or read? |
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| 14:11.14 | versuchsanstalt | noapic and nolapic options dont change anything |
| 14:11.37 | versuchsanstalt | should i try another install cd? |
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| 14:12.15 | babilen_ | versuchsanstalt: It might be due to missing support for your SATA controller in the 2.6.26 kernel that is used by Debian's stable installer |
| 14:12.28 | babilen | !kmuto |
| 14:12.29 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 14:13.05 | versuchsanstalt | aaah. thanks for the pointer, i'll dig into that. |
| 14:13.23 | babilen | versuchsanstalt: Come back if that does not solve your problem. Good luck! |
| 14:13.48 | versuchsanstalt | babilen: yup. thanks a lot. |
| 14:14.05 | themill | taras: do you have the same keyboard layout defined for both users in X? |
| 14:14.32 | taras | I think so |
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| 14:16.01 | taras | well in user where it works some xkb options are modified |
| 14:16.34 | taras | i.e. to change languages with double shift |
| 14:16.54 | taras | set in kcontrol |
| 14:17.26 | themill | that *shouldn't* be a problem. It's more if you've got a "Laptop model kb" defined in one user and not another (Also doable in kcontrol) |
| 14:17.48 | izanuff | thx for the help all |
| 14:17.57 | izanuff | i got apache and php installed and working as well |
| 14:18.00 | izanuff | gnite |
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| 14:20.57 | taras | themill: and where can I find if "laptop model kb" is set? |
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| 14:22.23 | themill | taras: sorry, that was a bit vague, wasn't it? Kcontrol -> Regional -> keyboard layout -> layout -> Keyboard model. e.g. I have "Dell laptop inspiron 6xxx/8xxx" selected to match my hardware. |
| 14:22.36 | taras | well |
| 14:22.45 | taras | first tab turned off |
| 14:22.51 | themill | taras: without that set, many bits don't work properly, although usually brightness does work. |
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| 14:27.17 | taras | I don't think that is the problem since in both users first tab is off, and it uses options from X, doesn't it? |
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| 14:28.26 | taras | oh in xorg.cong pc105 is set |
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| 14:29.25 | themill | taras: yeah, should do. Do you have "powersaved" installed? if so, try out "powersave -k d" and "powersave -k u" to see if they work as both users |
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| 14:31.24 | taras | hm installing powersaved removes apmd |
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| 14:31.42 | liable | you have a laptop old enough to need apmd? |
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| 14:31.51 | themill | taras: if you're not already using it, I probably wouldn't bother installing it though. |
| 14:32.17 | taras | liable: its year old |
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| 14:32.26 | liable | taras: then you dont want apmd |
| 14:32.56 | taras | well apmd was installed by default I guess |
| 14:32.59 | taras | weird |
| 14:33.07 | cusco | hi. I have a debian install but I can't fix grub. Even entering in with chroot from livecd, mounting /dev with --bind and /proc, running update-grub and grub-install exits with no errors |
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| 14:33.37 | cusco | when I restart, grub is displaying that mensage "minimal bash like line editor press tab to see all commands bla bla" |
| 14:33.47 | cusco | but doen't let me type in anything, like its frozen |
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| 14:36.27 | taras | themill: writes "Brightness level set to" 0 for -u d, 2 for -u d |
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| 14:37.10 | taras | and if I change brightness and run it again - noting changes |
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| 14:37.32 | jeeves | taras, check to see if ACPID is running |
| 14:37.46 | themill | taras: both with the working and non-working user? |
| 14:37.47 | worship | I am getting hit by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546586 , and I really need to get my Xserver working again |
| 14:38.10 | worship | Does anyone online know how I can back down to a working version of xserver? |
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| 14:38.22 | worship | without reinstalling lenny from scratch that is |
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| 14:38.54 | taras | jeeves: root 84 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct11 0:06 [kacpid] |
| 14:39.28 | jeeves | taras, does the screen brightness work in Windows? |
| 14:39.34 | taras | but when I've installed powersaved - it wrote it can't start since acpid is off |
| 14:39.38 | simNIX | worship, by default xorg.conf = empty so defaults are used ? |
| 14:39.41 | taras | jeeves: I don't use windows |
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| 14:40.02 | simNIX | ifnot cp xorg.conf somewhere safe and back when broken |
| 14:40.34 | jeeves | taras, has the brightness worked before? |
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| 14:40.44 | taras | it works only for one user |
| 14:40.54 | taras | for others not |
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| 14:41.21 | taras | I think this user was created during install |
| 14:41.23 | worship | simNIX: no, my xorg.conf worked under lenny. It's pretty simple, but it supports the multihead on lenny and ubuntu prior to hardy |
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| 14:41.55 | jeeves | taras, well, if it's working only for one user, then it's a premissions issue |
| 14:42.02 | worship | the problem is with the int10 drivers ability to load the vbios from the chip |
| 14:42.28 | worship | it worked on this machine last night until I allowed the sid upgrade to complete |
| 14:42.34 | taras | jeeves: but I've included non-working user to all group where first user is included |
| 14:42.39 | worship | now I have no XServer at all |
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| 14:43.17 | simNIX | I have 4 screens on ati cards - this hase also that bios only can be read once x bug |
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| 14:43.38 | simNIX | workaround I found if to make 2 screens works as one times 2 |
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| 14:43.46 | jeeves | taras, I'm not sure then. I'm trying to solve this Dovecot server issue right now before people in Toronto get mad @ ma |
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| 14:43.57 | worship | I can't even get one screen working after the sid upgrade |
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| 14:44.13 | simNIX | ot even with an empty xorg.conf ? |
| 14:44.15 | simNIX | n |
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| 14:44.30 | worship | Only if I pull two of my cards out of the system |
| 14:44.47 | simNIX | anoying bug ... |
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| 14:45.34 | worship | no kidding :O) They're promising a fix with the .32 kernel |
| 14:45.42 | simNIX | .. does xorg log give any leads ? |
| 14:45.48 | worship | but I need my system working again by tomorrow |
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| 14:46.08 | worship | it simply say it cannot read the V_BIOS |
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| 14:47.10 | worship | There used to be an xorg patch that allowed you to load the vbios from a file, but xorg's code base has changed enough that it can't be trivially applied any more |
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| 14:48.02 | simNIX | worship: with a preseed I can share you could install testing during install - if you forehand backup /home and such and make a list of whats now installed - it's after barebones install only needed to load that list of pkg that were installed and you should be done - forehand maybe utilize clonezilla to backup current situatino so yuo can go back if needed |
| 14:48.28 | taras | brb relogin |
| 14:49.05 | worship | It was a barebones lenny system before the "upgrade" to sid. |
| 14:49.14 | simNIX | list of all installed an be created with: dpkg --get-selections > installed.list |
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| 14:49.44 | simNIX | and restored using: dpkg --get-selections > installed.list |
| 14:49.49 | simNIX | ow |
| 14:49.55 | simNIX | then best restart fresh |
| 14:49.59 | worship | I only need rhythmbox, totem, and mysql on this system |
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| 14:50.20 | simNIX | I have cron do that make list comand to remote server |
| 14:50.26 | worship | k ... then I know what I'm doing for hte rest of today |
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| 14:50.57 | taras | hm what I've just discovered - it works only in first graphical consol |
| 14:51.00 | taras | aka F7 |
| 14:51.01 | simNIX | and when needed I have a preseed wchich keeps /home and does barebones install unattended and at end runs scripts that wet's this list and readds all |
| 14:51.07 | taras | and doesn;t for others |
| 14:51.22 | simNIX | *wget's |
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| 14:52.34 | taras | so how to enable that for all consoles? |
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| 14:53.08 | simNIX | enable what ? |
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| 14:54.32 | simNIX | k - be silent - im gone - latersss |
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| 14:55.08 | liable | of you go then.. |
| 14:55.14 | liable | off.. |
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| 15:02.39 | amd64 | guys, how do i monitor/analyze average upstream on the network card? |
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| 15:03.36 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 15:04.05 | zmitya | guys, how do I know if the netfilter kernel module is loaded on a system ? |
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| 15:04.20 | StM | zmitya lsmod? |
| 15:04.24 | becky | amd64, what to you mean with monitor|analyze upstream? |
| 15:04.33 | zmitya | StM: ok, but whats the name of the module ? |
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| 15:05.20 | zmitya | StM: oh, maybe iptable_filter ? |
| 15:05.27 | becky | zmitya, lsmod | grep ^nf |
| 15:05.29 | amd64 | becky - i want to know how many bandwidth goes through the network card (preferrably average since uptime) |
| 15:05.40 | becky | amd64, try iftop |
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| 15:06.35 | becky | zmitya, AFAIK the iptables subsystem has been renamed into netfilter even for module names. |
| 15:06.39 | grawity | Hi. How can I find out what package caused apt to install 'yum' as a dependency? (I'm sure I didn't install it manually.) |
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| 15:07.25 | kykrishna | hi eveyone |
| 15:07.34 | hark | grawity: aptitude why yum |
| 15:07.45 | zmitya | becky: thanks |
| 15:07.47 | kykrishna | any one tell me how do i get the debian file for games |
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| 15:07.53 | grawity | hark: "Unable to find a reason to install yum." :| |
| 15:08.01 | grawity | hark: So it has been installed manually? |
| 15:08.14 | amd64 | becky - iftop is great! can i seem averages since uptime? |
| 15:08.16 | StM | Or the install reason is deleted |
| 15:08.30 | abrotman | grawity: so remove it ? |
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| 15:08.52 | abrotman | kykrishna: aptitude install gnome-games |
| 15:09.31 | becky | amd64, this is a ad-hoc monitor. Bytes and avg rate can be calculated with data from ifconfig and uptime :) |
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| 15:09.48 | kykrishna | hi i require debian file for games from the intenet |
| 15:10.17 | becky | kykrishna, pls be more specific |
| 15:10.19 | abrotman | kykrishna: aptitude install gnome-games |
| 15:10.19 | jrib | heh, debian scared me yesterday. For some reason it tries to play all my sound through the pc speaker which of course sounds like a bunch of crickets dying in my box |
| 15:10.24 | Led_Zeppelin | have a very strange problem. I have 1 samba server and 10 clients. One of the clients always has an old copy of the file. the md5sum has the old checksum. If i unmount the filesystem and remount then its fine. |
| 15:11.03 | kykrishna | hi .deb file i need for games like .exe in windows so that once i double click it can be installed, not in command by terminal |
| 15:11.34 | becky | kykrishna, what game are you talking about? |
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| 15:12.00 | taras | hmmm - why brightness changing works only in :0 - and doesn't work in other consoles |
| 15:12.06 | jrib | How should I configure my sound card in debian? |
| 15:12.07 | taras | same on father's laptop too |
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| 15:12.30 | sosko | hi there |
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| 15:12.56 | sosko | i'm having problem with install of multiarch debian 5.0.3 on fresh, clean system |
| 15:12.56 | kykrishna | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.19 | jrib | ah, it may help if I install alsa :) |
| 15:13.21 | sosko | it says no common cd-rom detected |
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| 15:13.38 | sosko | intel p55 chipset |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | kykrishna: for which version of Debian ? |
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| 15:13.49 | abrotman | sosko: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 15:13.55 | Oleg_ | Please help. My server is running Debian Lenny. Even though I put startxfce4 in the xstartup file for vnc, my vnc viewer still doesn't load xfce. Why? |
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| 15:14.21 | verrukta | hi, together i have a problem with my USB keyboard on lenny. It was attacht with a USB to PS2 adapter. If it was attacht at boot time all works good, but if i attach it later the keyboard will not work. /var/log/message say ... Nov 7 15:41:38 thinkpad kernel: [ 6125.079693] input: Generic USB K/B as /class/input/input15 ... Anyone an idea where to start? |
| 15:14.33 | sosko | abrotman: thanks, looks promissing. |
| 15:14.50 | M06w | how can I create a terminal command? |
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| 15:15.23 | jrib | M06w: write an executable (maybe in bash script) and then drop it in your PATH (for example use ~/bin if it is in your path) |
| 15:16.08 | sosko | abrotman: are these releases completely compatible with unmodified debian? |
| 15:16.20 | M06w | bash is just the normal terminal language thingy right? |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | sosko: except the kernels i think they are |
| 15:16.34 | jrib | M06w: yes |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | sosko: and the security updates on those kernels |
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| 15:17.37 | sosko | abrotman: but once newer kernel is released in stable, i should be able to migrate and then follow security patches, right? |
| 15:18.03 | abrotman | sosko: you'll have to keep an eye out for lennynhalf if it happens, or backports.org |
| 15:18.59 | sosko | abrotman: thanks once again. |
| 15:19.00 | kykrishna | any debian file for racing games compatible for 512 MB RAM please suggest |
| 15:19.01 | sosko | +1 abrotman |
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| 15:19.15 | sosko | if there's someone writing those down :) |
| 15:19.16 | sosko | bye |
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| 15:19.34 | abrotman | !karma abrotman |
| 15:19.35 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 47 |
| 15:19.47 | liable | meh |
| 15:20.05 | mattgirv | kykrishna: Torcs? |
| 15:20.26 | Kissaki | what was the packages name for 32bit libs on a 64bit system? |
| 15:20.30 | _AnywhereIs_ | ws that magic karma? =) |
| 15:20.59 | mattgirv | Kissaki: Usually ia32-libs contains most of the essentials |
| 15:21.05 | Kissaki | ah, thx |
| 15:21.19 | Kissaki | that was indeed the name i was looking for :) |
| 15:21.23 | mattgirv | :) good good |
| 15:21.25 | kykrishna | any racing need for speed games in debian |
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| 15:21.34 | mattgirv | kykrishna: Torcs/Tux Racer :D |
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| 15:23.04 | mattgirv | !karma mattgirv |
| 15:23.04 | dpkg | mattgirv has neutral karma |
| 15:23.10 | mattgirv | oh |
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| 15:24.27 | taras | !karma taras |
| 15:24.27 | dpkg | taras has neutral karma |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 15:24.43 | jrib | ok, I have installed alsa and now I have HDA Intel as my default sound card as it should be, but /dev/dsp isn't being created. This is minimal debian squeeze together with xorg, xmonad, and alsa now |
| 15:25.16 | hark | jrib: why do you want /dev/dsp? |
| 15:25.20 | verrukta | wich modules needed for usb-keyboard? |
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| 15:26.53 | jrib | hark: thanks! I thought I had unmuted everything in alsamixer but I hadn't. All good now |
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| 15:27.42 | emil | verrukta, you shouldnt have to load modules for a usb-keyboard |
| 15:28.07 | emil | can you run dmesg and look for errors? |
| 15:28.24 | emil | could be hard without a keyboard but so is loading modules :) |
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| 15:30.12 | verrukta | emil: there is no error in dmesg everything looks good after plugin usb |
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| 15:30.52 | Oleg_ | Please help. My server is running Debian Lenny. Even though I put startxfce4 in the xstartup file for vnc, my vnc viewer still doesn't load xfce. Why? |
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| 15:31.35 | emil | verrukta, the keyboard isnt working at all? |
| 15:31.44 | [Elvis] | hej guys, I'm getting: WARNING: ** mod_ssl.h not found or missing SSL headers! .....which package do I need to aptitude install for this error to disappear? |
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| 15:32.07 | rvalles | Oleg_: put an xterm on it |
| 15:32.13 | rvalles | Oleg_: and try running startxfce4 on it |
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| 15:32.41 | themill | !wayttd [Elvis] |
| 15:32.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [Elvis]? |
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| 15:32.55 | Oleg_ | you mean, I need to put both xterm and startxfce4 in the xstartup file? |
| 15:32.57 | [Elvis] | compile mod_log_sql |
| 15:33.01 | joeytwiddle | [Elvis] this might help http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=mod_ssl.h |
| 15:33.07 | verrukta | emil: no the keyboard does not work if i attach it after boot, but if it is pluged in at boot all works fine |
| 15:33.22 | [Elvis] | I did infact aptitude prefork joeytwiddle |
| 15:33.44 | [Elvis] | btw which is better prefork or threader? |
| 15:33.44 | dimir | $ apt-file search mod_ssl.h | grep include |
| 15:33.44 | dimir | apache2-prefork-dev: /usr/include/apache2/mod_ssl.h |
| 15:33.44 | dimir | apache2-threaded-dev: /usr/include/apache2/mod_ssl.h |
| 15:33.45 | [Elvis] | d |
| 15:33.57 | themill | judd versions libapache2-mod-log-sql |
| 15:33.58 | [Elvis] | yes prefork is on the system, |
| 15:33.58 | judd | themill: libapache2-mod-log-sql -- lenny: 1.100-14 sid: 1.100-14+b1 squeeze: 1.100-14+b1 |
| 15:34.11 | dimir | [Elvis]: what about prefork-dev ? |
| 15:34.11 | themill | [Elvis]: ^^ any reason to compile it? |
| 15:34.12 | [Elvis] | that's on old version |
| 15:34.15 | [Elvis] | also |
| 15:34.46 | Oleg_ | rvalles: no, that still doesn't load xfce |
| 15:34.51 | dimir | [Elvis]: make sure the thing is compiled with -I/usr/include/apache2 (unless it includes file like apache2/mod_ssl.h) |
| 15:35.00 | emil | verrukta, thats very strange. i would compare dmesg from a boot where it worked and dmesg from a boot where it doesnt work. away from that i dont have any ideas :/ |
| 15:35.32 | DDave | Good afternoon, does anybody know how to fix the weird error "child pid XXXXX exit signal Segmentation fault (11)" ? I've tried everything I've found on google... (the server is running in a vmware :S) |
| 15:35.46 | rvalles | Oleg_: but you get to see an error message on the xterm at least? |
| 15:35.50 | rvalles | or anyting other of interest. |
| 15:36.07 | themill | [Elvis]: is there anything in 1.101 that's not in 1.100 that you actually need though? |
| 15:36.14 | verrukta | emil: thanks i will try |
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| 15:37.38 | [Elvis] | yes themill |
| 15:37.43 | [Elvis] | there is, otherwise I wouldn't be compiling |
| 15:37.44 | [Elvis] | :P |
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| 15:37.53 | [Elvis] | I will try that dimir |
| 15:38.19 | Oleg_ | rvalles: when I look in the log. I see one error: error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
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| 15:38.41 | themill | [Elvis]: given what we see day in day out here in #d, I wouldn't say that's a particularly obvious conclusion to draw. There are a lot of people who should /msg dpkg versionsmite me. |
| 15:39.17 | Oleg_ | well, I guess this error is irrelevant to the problem I am having |
| 15:39.19 | themill | [Elvis]: In any case, "/msg dpkg uupdate" for a way of doing this more easily and producing a deb at the same time. |
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| 15:39.48 | rvalles | does the script finish (and you can input commands on the shell again) or get stuck? |
| 15:40.12 | worship | here's a new on for me |
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| 15:40.43 | worship | on the lenny installation CD, chroot is giving me a segmentation fault |
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| 15:40.58 | Oleg_ | Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb. I guess it's also irrelevant to the fact that I can't load xfce? |
| 15:40.59 | themill | [Elvis]: you can also use "reportbug" to request that the maintainer package up the newer version. /msg dpkg reportbug. |
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| 15:41.24 | Oleg_ | vnc viewer loads a gnome terminal for some reason, from which I can load xfce |
| 15:41.32 | [Elvis] | hmm it's no bug, themill, it's just a newer version which has been there for like 1 or 2 years allready |
| 15:41.37 | [Elvis] | which logs input output in bytes.. |
| 15:41.43 | Oleg_ | But I want xfce to load, as soon as I open the vnc viewer |
| 15:43.11 | taras | Oleg_: ha, I didn't know I could do startkde in such situation :) |
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| 15:44.27 | themill | [Elvis]: the debian version being a long way out of date is still a debian bug of "wishlist" priority. |
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| 15:45.14 | taras | themill: btw, as I've discovered - problem with brightness is that changing works only in :0 |
| 15:45.34 | taras | but how to enable it work in other consoles? |
| 15:45.45 | themill | taras: yeah, I saw you mention that. I've never seen anything like that. |
| 15:45.54 | themill | taras: lenny or squeeze, btw? |
| 15:46.00 | taras | same on father's laptop with same lenny |
| 15:46.52 | taras | tho my is toshiba and his is hp |
| 15:46.55 | themill | taras: hmm.. I don't have that issue here with lenny. |
| 15:47.21 | taras | do it work for you in text consoles? |
| 15:47.28 | aucabarcas | hi, is it possible to access a Local FTP server in the "sftp admin@MAC_ADDRESS" way? I've tried it and I reach the server prompt though but it denies me the access. when in the IP mode it works okay. lenny+sftp. |
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| 15:47.36 | themill | taras: yes |
| 15:47.52 | themill | [Elvis]: actually, it's already been filed. |
| 15:48.03 | themill | !dbugs 439365 |
| 15:48.07 | dpkg | #439365:W[libapache-mod-log-sql] libapache-mod-log-sql: new upstream version available (1.101) (); Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:45:01 UTC [] |
| 15:48.08 | themill | [Elvis]: ^^ |
| 15:48.29 | Oleg_ | wtf |
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| 15:48.49 | joltcan | aucabarcas: I think that would never work. You could however add an arbitrary IP address to a MAC address by the "arp" command |
| 15:48.49 | Oleg_ | why doesn't xfce show up as soon as I open the vnc viewer? |
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| 15:49.52 | worship | Why would the chroot be giving me segmentation faults in the installer |
| 15:50.04 | themill | [Elvis]: in that bug report the maintainer asks for help in working out how to migrate from older to newer versions. If you have experience with this package, perhaps you can offer assistance in this? |
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| 15:51.14 | Oleg_ | finally! |
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| 15:51.21 | Oleg_ | now it starts! |
| 15:51.23 | Oleg_ | cool! |
| 15:51.37 | kqrx | is there any way to force resolution in X? i get 1280*1024 on my virtual machine, and i don't want more than 800*600 or something... |
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| 15:52.24 | Oleg_ | problem is solved |
| 15:53.06 | nkuttler | !tell kqrx about resolution |
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| 15:56.12 | Dominicus | kqrx: Yeah, http://pastebin.ca/1661014 It's an example of the portion of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that I use to force a computer to default to onlythe resolution of my HD Widescreen 1080i. Mind you, you ideally need to know the resolution increments supported by the device you want, unless something magically autofudges it to still give you something usable. But, this should get you where you want to be. |
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| 15:57.04 | Dominicus | kqrx: Just be sure you backup what you currently have, otherwise, you'll have no one to blame but yourself when what you have no longer works at all. =) |
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| 15:58.39 | kqrx | Dominicus: no worries, the system is a fresh install so nothing lost if anything goes wrong :) |
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| 15:59.55 | chomwitt | gparted hasnt active entries to create fat* partitions |
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| 16:00.54 | Dominicus | kqrx: Yeah, but, just make a copy of the xorg.conf, is all i was hinting at. =) |
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| 16:02.53 | kqrx | Dominicus: oh sure will... but it seems X seems to prioritise the autoconfigure-thingey over my specified resolution in xorg.conf |
| 16:05.12 | Dominicus | kqrx: That should only be the case, if your xorg.conf is incomplete last I experienced. |
| 16:05.19 | Dominicus | kqrx: You running nvidia or ati? |
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| 16:05.57 | Dominicus | kqrx: And, i'm assuming you killed the gdm/kdm then tried to log back in, first? |
| 16:06.14 | kqrx | Dominicus: nvidia, though i'm running debian in a virtual machine |
| 16:06.17 | kqrx | Dominicus: yes, i did |
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| 16:08.17 | joeytwiddle | kqrx: for a dirtier fix, you could use xrandr to reduce your resolution, after X has booted ;) |
| 16:08.41 | ybit | the ddp developer's manual has a typo |
| 16:08.42 | ybit | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 16:09.36 | kqrx | joeytwiddle: how do i adjust the resolution with xrandr? it would be nice to do it quickly while i'm fiddling around |
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| 16:09.58 | Dominicus | kqrx: Hmmm. i don't have much experience configuring xorg.conf under VMs, but the trick I normally use on my nvidia hardware is i run the nvidia-xconfig (from the same package name). And, i use it coax out a basically configured xorg.conf file, then I just remove the multiple entries for bidepth other than 24, and I remove the other resolutions, then killall gdm and restart it in the background. |
| 16:10.12 | joeytwiddle | xrandr -s 800x600 |
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| 16:12.50 | ybit | that's not the typo, and i suppose this isn't the appropriate outlet to point the typo out |
| 16:13.24 | kqrx | joeytwiddle: xrandr without arguments lists "800x600 61.0" amongst others, but when i try to change size it says "Size 800x60 not found in available modes" |
| 16:13.53 | joeytwiddle | u missed a 0? |
| 16:14.02 | kqrx | just a typo here |
| 16:14.05 | joeytwiddle | ^^ |
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| 16:19.47 | versuchsanstalt2 | i have trouble configuring a parport printer (hp ljet3w/pcl). i am not sure if the parport is configured correctly. how can i test if there is a connection to the parport at all? |
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| 16:25.15 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:25.47 | Posterdati | please I need help on embedded linux (zefeer ep9302) |
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| 16:26.51 | worship | I am trying to install cleanly from the debian-503-i386-netinst.iso , and it chokes on configuring APT sources |
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| 16:28.12 | abrotman | worship: proxy involved? tried more than one source? |
| 16:28.21 | worship | No proxy involved |
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| 16:28.31 | abrotman | !5% error |
| 16:28.31 | dpkg | 5% error is probably d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
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| 16:29.45 | jelly-home | kqrx: have you told xrandr which --output to change the resolution at? |
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| 16:30.13 | worship | dpkg wasn't listening - (bots!) I am using the latest iso from debian.org, just downloaded and burned to CD today |
| 16:30.13 | dpkg | worship: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 16:31.06 | kqrx | jelly-home: yes, i tried that. and, i also tried to set --mode to 800x600, but then X just terminated. i found the same thing happened to someone else (in here, curious fact), but there was no solution to his/her problem |
| 16:31.25 | jelly-home | kqrx: also, virtualization solutions will have custom drivers for the hardware or different ways to set initial resolution up. |
| 16:31.58 | jelly-home | kqrx: what are you using for your vm needs? |
| 16:32.04 | kqrx | jelly-home: virtual box |
| 16:32.14 | kqrx | jelly-home: you gave me an idea for a google query *trying* |
| 16:32.18 | jelly-home | kqrx: #vbox channel might be more helpful then |
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| 16:32.31 | jelly-home | alos, vbox has a decent manual |
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| 16:33.39 | worship | I haven't tried more than one source yet - I don't have it up far enough that I've had that opportunity yet |
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| 16:34.37 | jelly-home | kqrx: afair, you basically have to install the guest additions, and then use Driver "vboxvideo" in xorg.conf |
| 16:34.45 | worship | this time it got past the configuring dpkg - I just checked my network cables |
| 16:35.01 | kqrx | jelly-home: sounds good |
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| 16:36.04 | jelly-home | kqrx: xorg.conf for when my linux at home is running inside vbox: http://pastebin.com/f6940cf23 |
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| 16:37.58 | worship | it even got past configuring the kernel! yay! two hours in and we're finally getting past the installation bootstrap |
| 16:38.02 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a package that will control users logged on time and give a pop-up warning a few minutes before logging them out? |
| 16:39.08 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you mean like a Nanny? |
| 16:39.40 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yes |
| 16:40.13 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude search nanny gave me nothing ;9 |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | i meant a real life nanny :) |
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| 16:41.33 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: no - they are the problem - not the solution ;) |
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| 16:41.52 | kqrx | jelly-home: thank you, works perfectly now! :) |
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| 16:43.07 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=319 |
| 16:44.04 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no clue about warning them .. though if it's X you could use a script and cron |
| 16:44.26 | jpinx-eeepc | bows to abrotman s google-fu |
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| 16:46.21 | themill | s/cron/at/ |
| 16:47.36 | abrotman | i figured it owuld be recurring |
| 16:47.59 | themill | yeah, I see that fro the link you gave... I was presuming internet cafe/kiosk sort of arrangement |
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| 16:48.31 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: it's like an internet cafe in this house at weekends - hence the problems |
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| 16:49.32 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, so it's not so much a set of times that are allowed (0900-1200 etc) that you want, but a max login time (say 30 min) |
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| 16:49.55 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: exactly |
| 16:50.37 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: a specific user would be allocated a duration of their login in advance. |
| 16:50.50 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: perhaps look at some of the kiosk tools then... they might have that sort of stuff there. |
| 16:50.53 | jpinx-eeepc | so they can login when they like, but only for that period of time |
| 16:51.25 | jpinx-eeepc | any pointers where to find these "kiosk tools" ? I'm not having much luck |
| 16:52.03 | themill | judd info kiosktool |
| 16:52.03 | judd | themill: kiosktool (kde): is optional; Version: 1.0-3; Size: 450.8k; Installed: 1404k -- tool to configure the KDE kiosk framework |
| 16:52.38 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I am finding stuff for KDE and gnome, but I really want something non-gui |
| 16:52.39 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: ^^ superseded in KDE4 by something else that I don't know of though... There are presumably plenty of others around too. |
| 16:52.45 | macrobat | can i have autocompletion of pkgames in for example "aptitude search pkg" |
| 16:53.14 | themill | macrobat: not for search, but for install, remove etc |
| 16:54.58 | macrobat | ok, i have to tab twice, thx |
| 16:56.27 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: what sort of login session will this be? some sort of windows manager/desktop env involved? |
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| 16:59.40 | phocean | hey |
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| 17:02.17 | pbn | Hi, I'm running testing and it's now a few days that there is anew version of Amarok. With that new version Amarok always crashes on startup with 11 SIGSEGV... any idea on how to fix this ? |
| 17:04.33 | gusto | newsflash |
| 17:05.01 | themill | pbn: try #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:05.15 | gusto | i have debian testing and I noticed, that some windows are moving very slowly when raised in fluxbox |
| 17:05.45 | gusto | now I ve installed fvwm and everyting s fine, so fluxbox has some bugs |
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| 17:07.01 | gusto | but i have to say, that fvwm looks good |
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| 17:11.51 | SparFux | I have a question about the gpl. Is this channel a good place to ask about that? |
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| 17:12.34 | cr3rzemjest | what's the fastest and easiest way of "burning" iso to usb? i wanted to tried syslinux, but i dunno even how to copy whole iso without problems? even with cp -dRpV i have problems with links??? i told him not to derenrence right?? |
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| 17:12.46 | cr3rzemjest | *ference |
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| 17:14.29 | bit0 | hello. I can't use iceweasel, i can't change proxy settings |
| 17:14.48 | niklaswe | does someone has any htc hero here? |
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| 17:15.55 | tonyb486 | has a g1? |
| 17:16.19 | zinx | niklaswe: kind of off-topic.. |
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| 17:17.04 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: users will login via gdm, and I would like them logged out after a predetermined time and then a delay invoked preventing them logging in again for a predetermined delay, all controlled from the cl - not a gui. |
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| 17:19.05 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: the intention is to control the logins from a remote connection (a nearby building) by ssh |
| 17:19.14 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: finding a dm that does that for you would be best (may gdm can?). |
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| 17:19.35 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yea - I'm reading lots of things in PAM too |
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| 17:25.48 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: the *dm's don't appear to do anything specific per-user |
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| 17:30.50 | worship | I (finally) got lenny reinstalled, and my multihead works correctly now |
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| 17:35.03 | rwd | hi all, i'm an Arch Linux user considering using Debian for a home server (streaming media/webserver/nas tasks). Are there any downsides to mixing testing and stable? Stable is too old for me but I read testing has less security updates. |
| 17:36.05 | Titan8990 | rwd: typically bad unless you know what your doing.... what newer packages do you need? |
| 17:36.23 | themill | rwd: if you're just file sharing like that, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with stable. |
| 17:36.28 | rwd | Titan8990: not sure, but mainly for the tasks I mentioned |
| 17:36.29 | Titan8990 | rwd: and have you already looked in to lenny backports |
| 17:36.51 | Titan8990 | rwd: none of that stuff needs bleeding-edge packages.... |
| 17:37.12 | neoice | rwd: I run testing/unstable on my home server and have had minimal issues. once in a while something breaks or a package is missing a dependancy for a few days |
| 17:37.33 | neoice | I have more problems with the actual hardware than anything Debian can throw at me |
| 17:37.39 | rwd | Titan8990: i haven't no. Backports contain packages from testing or from unstable? |
| 17:37.46 | Titan8990 | doesn't understand running pure lenny on any productions server, even at home... |
| 17:38.06 | Titan8990 | rwd: no, newer packages for lenny |
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| 17:38.53 | Titan8990 | imo a home server should be configured and thrown in a basement to not worry about for a year.... just install lenny |
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| 17:39.16 | themill | nods |
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| 17:41.09 | cr3rzemjest | how do i speed up USB transfer? I've read USB 2.0 has 240-480 Mbps. 240/8 is 30 Mbyte/s. I'm trying to copy a big file onto usb stick, and the transfer rate varies from 10Mb/s to as little as 0.5Mb/s.... how do i get to 30Mb/s? |
| 17:41.24 | rwd | Titan8990: that's what draws me to Debian. Updates in Arch can break stuff and I would like to just turn on security updates and not have to do much maintanance |
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| 17:42.05 | Titan8990 | rwd: debian lenny is a good choice for that |
| 17:42.27 | cr3rzemjest | i mean MB/s = megabyte per second..... Megabit is Mbit |
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| 17:42.44 | Titan8990 | cr3rzemjest: write speeds with flash memory will always be limited because of the way things are written in chunks IIRC |
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| 17:42.52 | rwd | Titan8990: alright. And if I do need something newer backports are preferable to testing or compiling by hand you think? |
| 17:43.01 | themill | rwd: sounds like you definitely want to just install stable then. About the only things not from stable that I ever consider putting on servers are backports of git or subversion where newer server-side software is also required (normally, it's not). /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:43.06 | Titan8990 | rwd: no, ssb |
| 17:43.08 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 17:43.08 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 17:43.18 | cr3rzemjest | Titan8990: but 1 megabyte per second? it's almost as slow as floppy |
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| 17:43.21 | Titan8990 | rwd: let apt build it for you |
| 17:43.35 | bit0 | !iceweasel |
| 17:43.35 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 17:43.37 | themill | rwd: don't mix testing and stable. That will certainly end in tears. |
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| 17:44.05 | rwd | Titan8990 & themill thanks for the info! |
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| 17:45.40 | mns | How do I get connected to a hidden wireless network using wicd/iwconfig ? I know the SSID and the key, but wicd does not let even see the network. |
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| 17:46.42 | bugjar | is there a reason why an older netinst bootdisk (etch, 4.0...something) would not be able to pull a stable top off? |
| 17:46.51 | bugjar | er, net install? |
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| 17:47.01 | Titan8990 | mns: with iwconfig: iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid here> |
| 17:47.06 | Titan8990 | mns: not sure wicd |
| 17:47.20 | cr3rzemjest | "[32059.140048] usb 4-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" OH GOD NO, why?? my usb stick clearly is v2.0, why did it choose "low speed"? i want _HIGH_ speed, how to achieve that? |
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| 17:49.06 | mns | Titan8990, I've tried that, but does not seem to be connected. ping etc still do not work and using ifconfig wlan0, shows me no ip address for the interface |
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| 17:52.45 | cr3rzemjest | how do i find out if my kernel supports hispeed USB? |
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| 17:53.13 | filePeter | cr3rzemjest: Check for uhce and ehce |
| 17:53.24 | Titan8990 | mns: after you associate with the AP you have to run dhclient wlan0 or assign a static ip with ifconifg |
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| 17:53.44 | filePeter | cr3rzemjest: Sorry⦠UHCI⦠|
| 17:54.14 | filePeter | cr3rzemjest: In your kernelconfig inside /boot/ |
| 17:54.35 | cr3rzemjest | filePeter: but if its default kernel |
| 17:55.18 | cr3rzemjest | CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD=m |
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| 17:55.37 | filePeter | cr3rzemjest: So try loading usb-uhci |
| 17:55.42 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: if it's a debian kernel and less than like five years old, it will |
| 17:56.02 | cr3rzemjest | FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found. |
| 17:56.46 | cr3rzemjest | i don't understand why it is looking for "usb_uhci" when i ask for "usb-uhci" |
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| 17:56.55 | _Dave123_ | i need to compare all lines of file1 with all lines of file2..file1 has some lines with only one small code, and i like to compare all these lines, and get all lines from file1 that not occur in file2.. |
| 17:56.59 | _Dave123_ | is there any way i can easily do this> |
| 17:57.01 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 17:57.12 | iluminator101 | How do i check suspect files after i run initiall rkhunter? |
| 17:57.16 | abrotman | _Dave123_: comm |
| 17:57.19 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman: Linux cr3-hp 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | it's uhci-usb |
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| 17:58.06 | filePeter | abrotman: Oops. :-) sorry. |
| 17:58.25 | jelly-home | if he wants usb 2.0 speeds, that'll be ehci |
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| 17:59.05 | iluminator101 | for instance i run rkhunter --check i find one or two suspect files how do i check them |
| 17:59.12 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: are you sure your _hardware_ supports usb2 on all the ports? |
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| 17:59.40 | cr3rzemjest | actually, no |
| 17:59.47 | filePeter | cr3rzemjest: :-) |
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| 18:00.32 | iluminator101 | for instance i run rkhunter --check i find one or two suspect files how do i check them |
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| 18:04.39 | cr3rzemjest | 22 minutes 31 seconds to copy a 2.5GB file .... 1.8MB/s average rate |
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| 18:09.41 | cr3rzemjest | i couldn't find any manuals, but internet says my laptop has usb2.0 |
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| 18:10.15 | cr3rzemjest | but then, isn't there usb2.0 kernel support by default? it should be |
| 18:10.47 | joltcan | cr3rzemjest: maybe it's disabled in the bios? |
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| 18:11.43 | joltcan | iluminator101: I don't know rkhunter, but I guess you get a guess of what type of hazardous thing have infected them an can google on that? |
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| 18:14.49 | wols_ | cr3rzemjest: are you SURE your flash stick can handle high speeds? |
| 18:16.14 | cr3rzemjest | wols_: pretty sure |
| 18:16.35 | cr3rzemjest | :P |
| 18:16.46 | wols_ | so not sure at all. have you ever seen it run at higher speeds than those currently observed? |
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| 18:17.27 | legba7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.38 | wols_ | and yes. not all usb connectors do 2.0, e.g my P35 board here has several 1.1 ones if my BIOS output is to be believed |
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| 18:18.30 | cr3rzemjest | legba7: i might be probable, the speed was changing constantly in a weird way, from 10MB/s to 600KB/s etc... |
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| 18:19.15 | cr3rzemjest | or it is probable |
| 18:19.19 | lhx2 | I recently netinstalled the current stable distribution on my G4 Mac Mini. SInce this is a PPC computer, I'm having some issues with flash playback. I know Adobe doesn't support linux ppc, but I can't seem to get Gnash to load into iceweasel and swfdec doesn't work properly. Any ideas on why gnash (and the gnash mozilla plugin) isn't installing? |
| 18:21.30 | cr3rzemjest | wols_: well I think so, but on WinXP there is no speed indicator but 1hour ago i've copied 1.9GB file on the stick and it didn't take 20 minutes... |
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| 18:28.07 | iluminator101 | whats an ipconfig /all command for linux |
| 18:28.15 | Seb | ifconfig -a |
| 18:28.22 | Seb | but you could search google first |
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| 18:29.25 | iluminator101 | that does show dns servers and stuff |
| 18:29.29 | iluminator101 | not* |
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| 18:30.01 | themill | iluminator101: "ifconfig -a ; cat /etc/resolv.conf". Happy now? |
| 18:30.27 | thrashold | Now he'll ask for gateways ;) |
| 18:30.58 | iluminator101 | thanks gateways too...lol |
| 18:31.35 | thrashold | iluminator101: route -n ... or ip r |
| 18:32.26 | lhx2 | I recently netinstalled the current stable distribution on my G4 Mac Mini. SInce this is a PPC computer, I'm having some issues with flash playback. I know Adobe doesn't support linux ppc, but I can't seem to get Gnash to load into iceweasel and swfdec doesn't work properly. Any ideas on why gnash (and the gnash mozilla plugin) isn't installing? |
| 18:32.32 | Titan8990 | thrashold: can't forget about the one that will work on the most systems: `netstat -rn` |
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| 18:35.03 | iluminator101 | how do you find dhcp hostname address |
| 18:35.16 | wols_ | lhx2: we saw it the first time |
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| 18:35.39 | wols_ | iluminator101: what do you mean? be a bit more specific please |
| 18:35.49 | wols_ | !tell lhx2 about ppc |
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| 18:38.07 | iluminator101 | i am setting up debian network wont configure i am setting it up manually |
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| 18:39.20 | wols_ | well, there is no dhcp hostname address. and dhcp doesn't set a hostname either |
| 18:39.21 | iluminator101 | how do i find out dhcp hostname |
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| 18:39.27 | wols_ | there is no such thing? |
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| 18:41.22 | Titan8990 | wols_: dhcp can assign hostnames in combination with a dns server iirc |
| 18:42.28 | Arrowmaster | a client can both send its hostname when requesting an address from a dhcp server, and the server can assign the client a hostname when an ip is requested |
| 18:44.09 | Arrowmaster | sadly the upstream dhclient scripts are lacking the ability to send the hostname without manually hardcoding it into the config, and while some distros have patched it to do it dynamically debian hasnt |
| 18:45.00 | Titan8990 | assuming similar problems with dhcpcd? |
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| 18:45.25 | wols_ | Titan8990: usually the _client_ tells dhcp what hostname it wants and dhcp enters it into dns afaik |
| 18:45.57 | Titan8990 | wols_: Arrowmaster just gave an answer that sounds about right |
| 18:46.02 | Arrowmaster | letting the dhcp server set the hostname is something you dont want a default, its only really useful in large networks so you can just move a box around and not have to manually change the hostname if you use some layout where you assign hostnames based on physical location or something |
| 18:46.10 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: how does the dhcpd tell diffenet clients apart? do they send MACs or such? |
| 18:46.38 | Arrowmaster | yes usually MAC address |
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| 18:46.49 | Arrowmaster | although you can get more specific |
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| 18:47.32 | Arrowmaster | for example the debian installer sends a name of "d-i" so it can be identified and you can use dhcp based preseeding |
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| 18:48.31 | Arrowmaster | the bug about dhclient not having a good way to dynamically send the hostname to the dhcp server without manually hardcoding it into the config file has been open for at least 3 years i think |
| 18:49.10 | Arrowmaster | they want upstream to fix it but upstream hasnt done anything |
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| 18:52.43 | Arrowmaster | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=151820 |
| 18:52.49 | Arrowmaster | i was wrong, open since 2002 |
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| 18:53.52 | wols_ | are these things part of the dhcp rfcs? or non standard extensions? |
| 18:54.19 | Arrowmaster | what sending the hostname? |
| 18:54.23 | Arrowmaster | those are standard |
| 18:54.26 | wols_ | yes. and the MAC and such |
| 18:54.37 | Arrowmaster | mac has to be sent |
| 18:54.46 | wols_ | oops. the hostname sending I knew was standard. I mean the unimplemented, open parts |
| 18:55.16 | Arrowmaster | all the dhcp clients can send the hostname |
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| 18:55.32 | peterrooney | Arrowmaster: pardon my uninformedness, but how is this a 'normal' bug as opposed to a 'wishlist' bug? |
| 18:55.35 | Arrowmaster | the problem is that the way to config dhclient is bad |
| 18:56.15 | Arrowmaster | peterrooney: its a forwarded wishlist bug |
| 18:56.42 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: resolving a hostname manually is bad? |
| 18:56.50 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: i dont even see where theres a problem |
| 18:56.58 | peterrooney | Arrowmaster: ah. just that it's marked 'normal' on the debian page. |
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| 18:57.15 | \amethyst | valdyn: because the hostname has to be hard-coded in the DHCP config file if you want to send it to the DHCP server |
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| 18:57.30 | \amethyst | valdyn: meaning that's one more file that needs to change if you change the hostname |
| 18:57.40 | wols_ | where else would dhclient get it? from hostname itself? |
| 18:57.49 | \amethyst | wols_: that's the request, yes |
| 18:58.00 | \amethyst | wols_: to allow getting it from hostname itself |
| 18:58.04 | valdyn | so easy to work around |
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| 18:58.09 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 18:58.18 | \amethyst | valdyn: by editing the config file with a script? |
| 18:58.20 | peterrooney | ah, that looks like it might go in a `preup' section of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:58.30 | peterrooney | or is it pre-up |
| 18:58.42 | JosefAssad | I just started using rsnapshot. I was wondering, it's on its second backup now. Is it normal that the second and later take absolute ages? |
| 18:59.11 | Arrowmaster | most other distros have patched dhclient so that a special keyword can be used in the config and it will replace it with the hostname, instead of something like automatically editing the config with scripts |
| 18:59.38 | Arrowmaster | infact if you look at that bug debian used to do it too |
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| 19:00.23 | themill | Arrowmaster: remember that debian gets criticised on a regular basis for patching software and that some of these patches have led to quite unfortunate outcomes (think DSA1571). |
| 19:01.02 | wols_ | isn't debian one of the least patching ones? just look at kernels from most other distros... |
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| 19:01.21 | Arrowmaster | yes i know, i know thats the reason its a wishlist bug waiting on upstream, since the different distros are using different patches and debian doesnt want to do that |
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| 19:03.01 | jelly-home | JosefAssad: it chiefly depends on the number of files in the backed-up tree |
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| 19:07.03 | JosefAssad | jelly-home: hm, ok. I was under the impression that N>1 backups would be incremental and therefore faster. But if it's the # of files determining ten yes, quite a lot |
| 19:07.03 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 19:07.35 | themill | JosefAssad: my 50ish GB backup set takes around 30 min to run each time; half that time is the "cp -al" stage, the other half is rsync chugging through all those files to work out what's changed. (that it's running on a usb drive doesn't help!) |
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| 19:08.37 | jelly-home | JosefAssad: main benefit of an incremental backup is in space resources used, not necessarily time or cpu |
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| 19:09.28 | JosefAssad | themill: I'm way below 50 Gb, but then I'm doing this to over a wifi network to a hard disk connected via usb to an eeepc, so... :) |
| 19:09.37 | JosefAssad | jelly-home: gotcha. Thanks :) |
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| 19:11.39 | themill | hmm... make that 160GB... wth is taking that much space? |
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| 19:12.53 | JosefAssad | over nfs I might add |
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| 19:16.22 | flami | 'ello, can anyone please recoomend a nice package manager gui? preferrably kde ^^. |
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| 19:19.32 | JosefAssad | this might sound dense... would the fact that I'm using nfs-user-server not nfs-kernel-server be a possible cause for slow performance? |
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| 19:19.58 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 19:20.02 | goshawk | hi, is there a way to get a package which is published on the ftp-master NEW section? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 19:20.42 | roland- | hey, where can I find the debian install cd grub image? I mean whatever is used to start the cd i like it |
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| 19:21.39 | \amethyst | roland-: it uses syslinux I believe |
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| 19:23.56 | \amethyst | roland-: you can get it by downloading and loop mounting the boot.img.gz from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 19:24.28 | \amethyst | roland-: (gunzip it and mount -o loop -t vfat boot.img /mnt ) |
| 19:25.05 | roland- | ok let's see |
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| 19:26.03 | roland- | ah crap I have to compile vfat in kernel |
| 19:26.05 | \amethyst | roland-: (if you want syslinux itself, that's in the 'syslinux' package; the boot.img also has syslinux configuration and an initrd |
| 19:26.16 | \amethyst | roland-: not using Debian's kernel? |
| 19:26.17 | nsadmin | roland-: why? |
| 19:26.32 | roland- | I use a custom kernel |
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| 19:27.06 | \amethyst | roland-: this is why you shouldn't go disabling everything in your custom kernels :) |
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| 19:27.15 | \amethyst | roland-: leave them as modules, instead |
| 19:27.15 | roland- | so that screen image won't work on grub? |
| 19:27.34 | roland- | well i did not see vfat coming |
| 19:27.38 | \amethyst | roland-: you can use the splash.png from the boot.img.gz with grub |
| 19:27.43 | roland- | good |
| 19:28.01 | nsadmin | you just like the graphic? |
| 19:28.11 | \amethyst | roland-: typically you would base your kernel .config on the debian one and only change what you need |
| 19:28.13 | roland- | yes is very cool |
| 19:28.24 | roland- | that is what I did |
| 19:28.40 | \amethyst | apparently not, if the vfat module wasn't compiled |
| 19:28.45 | roland- | just changed like cpu typeto core2 newer xenon , bla bla |
| 19:29.00 | nsadmin | roland- when you ran make-kpkg did you use --initrd? |
| 19:29.39 | roland- | no i added everything in kernel included some intrd files directly in kernel I don't use initrd |
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| 19:30.49 | roland- | everything works fine for an year never had issues |
| 19:30.54 | roland- | I just like that boot scren |
| 19:30.54 | roland- | :) |
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| 19:30.59 | roland- | and need to set it up |
| 19:31.01 | roland- | brb |
| 19:31.38 | vig | seen wart |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | nope |
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| 19:32.56 | xyan | do i really need consolekit daemon thingy on a single seat machine? |
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| 19:34.40 | \amethyst | xyan: only if you need hal (but these days, you usually do need hal---even xserver-xorg depends on it) |
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| 19:34.51 | psi-jack_ | Is it possible to get Debian to use onboard nvidia RAID controllers properly during installation of Lenny? |
| 19:35.07 | abrotman | psi-jack_: i doubt it's reall yraid |
| 19:35.26 | psi-jack_ | It's really RAID 5. That much I do know. |
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| 19:36.28 | xyan | \amethyst: well i dont know what i need hal for, i dont let xorg use hal to detect input devices, theres no automount stuff, what else needs hal? |
| 19:37.10 | psi-jack_ | Thing is, I still want to USE the onboard RAID feature. |
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| 19:38.45 | \amethyst | xyan: I haven't tried, but you could use 'equivs' to generate a fake hal package, install it, and see what breaks |
| 19:39.17 | xyan | \amethyst: oh great <3 breakage ;) |
| 19:39.19 | wols_ | psi-jack_: nvidia raid is fake raid, You can do it with lots of horrible kludges. what kind of raid do you want? |
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| 19:41.15 | psi-jack_ | wols_: Raid5 |
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| 19:41.52 | wols_ | booting frm raid5 is probably not possible so you'd need a small boot partition. rest _should_ be doable. There are howtos out there for this |
| 19:42.01 | wols_ | you might need a custom installer kernel tho |
| 19:42.15 | psi-jack_ | wols_: The Raid works fine, it was on Mandriva using Raid1, but I'm re-doing the system to Debian. |
| 19:42.24 | gorp | booting from raid 5 impossible ? |
| 19:42.35 | psi-jack_ | Booting from Raid5 is very possible. |
| 19:42.52 | gorp | of course |
| 19:43.25 | psi-jack_ | The Raid controller itself handles how the information is read. |
| 19:43.48 | gorp | The raid controler store its information on disk |
| 19:44.04 | wols_ | the raid controller is shit. it's fake raid |
| 19:44.14 | psi-jack_ | The problem still remains. During installation, I want to use the onboard fakeraid controller. |
| 19:44.14 | gorp | Linux will only sees LUN |
| 19:44.35 | gorp | are we talking scsi ? |
| 19:44.39 | psi-jack_ | No |
| 19:44.47 | psi-jack_ | gorp: Nvidia onboard fakeraid. |
| 19:44.49 | psi-jack_ | SATA-2 |
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| 19:45.10 | gorp | SATA will never have real raid controlers. |
| 19:45.34 | psi-jack_ | Actually, SATA does have real raid controllers. LSI makes them. |
| 19:45.40 | binary | Anyone here tried sshv1 in lenny? |
| 19:45.45 | binary | I can't get it to work. |
| 19:46.10 | nsadmin | why do you need that |
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| 19:46.25 | binary | plan9 |
| 19:46.42 | gorp | you mean ssh version 1 |
| 19:46.43 | gorp | ? |
| 19:46.48 | binary | Yes. |
| 19:47.06 | gorp | why not turn back to the old rcmd ? |
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| 19:47.26 | binary | I don't know of rcmd |
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| 19:47.48 | gorp | you know rlogin rsh rcp, all theses stuffs |
| 19:48.11 | binary | Oh... |
| 19:48.15 | binary | Actually no I don't. |
| 19:48.32 | binary | But I can research. |
| 19:48.43 | binary | However, it would be nice just to use ssh version 1. |
| 19:48.43 | gorp | what kind of error have you with ssh ? |
| 19:48.52 | wols_ | psi-jack_: have you googled for your problem? I found several articles and posts about it. |
| 19:48.53 | \amethyst | binary: ssh -1 doesn't work? |
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| 19:49.05 | \amethyst | binary: or do you mean you want an ssh version 1 server? |
| 19:49.50 | psi-jack_ | Well, yes. And presumably it says loading sata_nv, it shoudl work, but it's not. |
| 19:50.02 | binary | http://pastebin.com/d6e4daba |
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| 19:50.32 | binary | ssh version 1 server. |
| 19:50.34 | psi-jack_ | Hang on. Got it. |
| 19:50.44 | Arrowmaster | psi-jack_: on the installer boot menu where you can select between stuff like normal/expert and console/gui, press tab over the one you want to use and add "dmraid=true" (without the quotes) to the end of the line and press enter |
| 19:51.01 | nsadmin | so you need a host key |
| 19:51.24 | binary | I generated one. |
| 19:51.34 | binary | And gave 600 permissions. |
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| 19:51.46 | binary | Hmm, badly phrased, I did $chmod 600 ssh_hostkey |
| 19:52.03 | binary | s/host/&_/ |
| 19:52.22 | nsadmin | mayvbe you need 644 |
| 19:52.47 | garrythefish | ScummVM will soon reach 1.0!!! I can hardly wait! join the wait in the official channel #scummvm ;D it's a spledid day for open source anywhere! :D |
| 19:52.51 | binary | nsadmin: Nah, that's too open for it. |
| 19:52.53 | nsadmin | maybe the reason your ssh can't read it is it has no permission to read |
| 19:53.09 | binary | Permissions 0644 for '/etc/ssh/ssh_host_key' are too open. |
| 19:53.26 | abrotman | garrythefish: go away |
| 19:53.45 | binary | waves banhammer at garrythefish |
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| 19:54.10 | Arrowmaster | binary: 644 for the ones ending in .pub, 600 for the others |
| 19:54.10 | AL^3QRAB | Im Using H4cKeRzE |
| 19:54.30 | abrotman | AL^3QRAB: English please |
| 19:54.31 | nsadmin | I'd say try it and see if it works |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | or that |
| 19:55.13 | binary | Permissions changed, same error. |
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| 19:55.53 | Arrowmaster | whats the error? |
| 19:55.54 | nsadmin | ok, put them back... looks like ssh is not looking in the right place for it or something |
| 19:56.03 | binary | 19:50 < binary> http://pastebin.com/d6e4daba |
| 19:56.16 | abrotman | it can't find an sshV1 key |
| 19:56.26 | binary | nsadmin: I don't know what they were previously, so I can't put them back. |
| 19:56.28 | abrotman | says obvious things and fades into the background |
| 19:56.43 | jimcooncat | binary: maybe you're using a DSA host key instead of an RSA host key. |
| 19:56.45 | nsadmin | look at your ssh config file |
| 19:56.51 | binary | jimcooncat: I generated an RSA key. |
| 19:57.03 | binary | nsadmin: What am I looking for? |
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| 19:57.30 | nsadmin | binary: to see if there's a spec for the location of the host key |
| 19:57.34 | jimcooncat | ssh-keygen can create RSA keys for use by SSH protocol version 1 |
| 19:57.35 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.35 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.35 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.35 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.51 | binary | Lol. |
| 19:57.54 | binary | Fail. |
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| 19:58.21 | nsadmin | well his hat... err... heart... was in the right place |
| 19:58.23 | jimcooncat | oops sorry |
| 19:58.29 | binary | jimcooncat: :) |
| 19:58.36 | Arrowmaster | did you generate the key using '-t rsa1' or '-t rsa'? |
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| 20:00.22 | binary | I did ssh-keygen -t rsa1 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
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| 20:01.42 | nsadmin | and what does the /etc/ssh/ssh_config say about the location of the file? |
| 20:01.55 | fisxoj | I'm trying to copy a partition using the installer disc, and I get an error about incompatible features |
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| 20:02.51 | binary | http://sprunge.us/gYgM |
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| 20:03.38 | nsadmin | hmm. looks good |
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| 20:03.52 | binary | http://sprunge.us/gYgM |
| 20:03.59 | binary | Woops, sorry guys, ignore that. |
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| 20:05.42 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions timekpr |
| 20:05.43 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: timekpr -- |
| 20:06.01 | gorp | mocp rulez |
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| 20:06.51 | Arrowmaster | binary: and you have sshd_config with "Protocol 2,1" |
| 20:07.03 | binary | Yes. |
| 20:07.23 | binary | #cat sshd_config |grep Protocol |
| 20:07.23 | binary | Protocol 2,1 |
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| 20:08.07 | nsadmin | and you restarted sshd |
| 20:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know timekpr? http://freshmeat.net/projects/timekpr I would like to create a .deb of it to try. How would I go about that? |
| 20:08.21 | nsadmin | actually that shouldn't matter if you're sshing out |
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| 20:08.32 | thianpa | how do you create an ftp account using console? |
| 20:08.37 | Cooler_ | Hi all |
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| 20:09.10 | nsadmin | an ftp acct is a shell acct |
| 20:09.29 | nsadmin | and authenticated ftp is not recommended |
| 20:09.45 | Cooler_ | Please how too install intel gma 4500mhd on debian |
| 20:09.56 | binary | nsadmin: Yes I restarted otherwise I wouldn't be able to paste the error would I? |
| 20:10.22 | nsadmin | so the server didn't see the host key |
| 20:10.27 | gorp | Cooler_, you mean Xorg configuration ? |
| 20:10.43 | binary | nsadmin: It failed to load the key. |
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| 20:11.24 | Cooler_ | gorp yes |
| 20:11.28 | jelly-home | Cooler_: it's supposed to "just work" |
| 20:11.32 | Cooler_ | gorp i use default |
| 20:11.48 | jelly-home | Cooler_: what errors do you get? |
| 20:11.51 | Cooler_ | i need to run with DRM |
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| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | Cooler_: which debian release are you using? Which kernel version? |
| 20:12.26 | nsadmin | binary: ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 20:12.55 | binary | #ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 20:12.55 | binary | -rw------- 1 root root 973 2009-11-07 16:40 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 20:13.18 | gorp | Cooler_, just use driver "Intel" and Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" on section "Device" |
| 20:13.57 | Cooler_ | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP |
| 20:14.05 | hark | Cooler_: make sure xorg is installed |
| 20:14.08 | Cooler_ | ok |
| 20:14.26 | Cooler_ | i wheel with xorg and gnome... |
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| 20:16.25 | Cooler_ | thanks |
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| 20:17.12 | Cooler_ | i go to test now,bye |
| 20:19.10 | EasyTUX | I'm searching for a very lightweight CPUs current load display, in a kind of what "pavumeter" does for sound style... Do you know some ? |
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| 20:21.21 | edgardo-laptop | hi |
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| 20:21.30 | GT | There's something that's been bugging me for a while: Under GNOME, the "Detect Monitors" button under Preferences > Display has never really seemed to work. Why is that? |
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| 20:27.08 | jrib | EasyTUX: gkrellm |
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| 20:27.35 | simonrvn | kinda noop since *it already has*, for 1 monitor |
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| 20:28.52 | GT | There are two monitors on it, and the one monitor just shows up as "Unknown." |
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| 20:29.39 | simonrvn | so it doesn't have a name :P |
| 20:29.56 | EasyTUX | jrib: Thanks. |
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| 20:31.48 | simonrvn | GT: how is it behaving? as expected, or not? |
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| 20:32.47 | Atomix | anyone could tell me how to automaticly refresh a website page in a screen through ssh ? my php auto refresh doesn't work in ssh :/ |
| 20:33.02 | GT | Yes, except that the second screen doesn't come up. |
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| 20:34.01 | hark | Atomix: which browser? |
| 20:34.18 | Atomix | i'm using links + url through ssh hark |
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| 20:34.29 | Sneex | omg -- spammed in this channel :P |
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| 20:34.46 | abrotman | Sneex: thank you |
| 20:35.10 | Sneex | :p joining spam :( abrotman |
| 20:35.14 | abrotman | it's gone now |
| 20:35.19 | Sneex | roger |
| 20:35.19 | liveAndLetDie | Atomix: You mean, automated -- ie, a spider or something refreshes -- or you want to script links? |
| 20:35.44 | Atomix | yeah spider or something refreshes |
| 20:35.46 | nsadmin | onjoining spam... wonderful spam spam spam spam.... |
| 20:36.41 | Atomix | i thought about a .sh script to automaticly refresh my status page through links + "url of the page" |
| 20:36.54 | Atomix | i have to ctrl+r to refresh manually |
| 20:36.58 | liveAndLetDie | Okay. wget and sleep. |
| 20:37.52 | simonrvn | GT: tried adding it with xrandr/ |
| 20:38.05 | simonrvn | GT: s,/,?, |
| 20:38.14 | GT | Hmmm? |
| 20:38.50 | Atomix | what am i supposed to do exactely please ? |
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| 20:40.14 | hark | Atomix: can't you use the meta refresh tag instead (if it's your page)? |
| 20:40.26 | Atomix | yeah it's my page |
| 20:40.46 | liveAndLetDie | Ah. Than hark's is a more elegant solution. |
| 20:41.39 | Atomix | i think that's what i'm using, let me double check |
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| 20:43.30 | rjaym | does anyone know why mdev -s might not be loading block devices hda1 hda2 etc..? |
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| 20:43.34 | Atomix | i'm using this code atm http://pastebin.com/m7cea402f |
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| 20:43.49 | Atomix | which works well for normal browsers |
| 20:43.55 | roland- | hey I know there were some software brances, how can I install debian stable and get the latest packages? |
| 20:44.00 | roland- | not the stable ones |
| 20:44.09 | Sneex | Atomix: this is more portable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_refresh |
| 20:44.36 | Atomix | alright thanks |
| 20:44.39 | Atomix | i'm going to try now |
| 20:44.51 | abrotman | roland-: make up your mind |
| 20:45.05 | roland- | ok how do I get testing packages? |
| 20:45.14 | abrotman | !tell roland- about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:45.30 | Arrowmaster | !tell roland- about bpo |
| 20:45.43 | jelly-home | GT: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
| 20:46.08 | GT | Eins Moment. |
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| 20:49.36 | drasko | hi all. How do I get correct source for my running kernel? mu "uname -a" says: Linux Marx 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 19:00:26 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, but all I find with apt-cache search is: linux-source-2.6.26 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.26 with Debian patches. Is this package what I am looking for? |
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| 20:51.00 | Atomix | the code is cleaner & working but i'm still not able to get "links http://aion.atomixro.com/status/status.php" automaticly refreshing in my screen :( |
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| 20:51.31 | nsadmin | how many lines output is dpkg -l | grep 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:51.58 | Atomix | omg nvm guys |
| 20:52.07 | Atomix | there was an auto refresh built in links |
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| 20:52.16 | Atomix | i simply had to cross the option D: |
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| 20:52.58 | nsadmin | drasko how many lines output is dpkg -l | grep 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 20:53.31 | drasko | two |
| 20:53.37 | drasko | linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 and some modules |
| 20:53.43 | Atomix | thanks |
| 20:53.50 | drasko | image is not what I am looking for, it's the sources |
| 20:53.58 | nsadmin | try: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 20:54.20 | nsadmin | and be in a writable dir that has a good amount of storage when you do |
| 20:54.24 | drasko | nsadmin, works... |
| 20:54.40 | nsadmin | because |
| 20:54.49 | nsadmin | it's going to drop the source into . |
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| 20:56.26 | BenBE | Hi, is there a simple way (with the command line) to check if a CD-R/CD-RW is in the drive (presence+type)? What command line utilities are required for this, if any? |
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| 20:56.47 | abrotman | you can poll the drive |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | cdinfo |
| 20:57.23 | abrotman | you could also use hal if you wanted to |
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| 20:57.49 | Arrowmaster | theres a dvd+rw-mediainfo that im guessing works on cds too |
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| 21:05.48 | rjaym | anyone know why "mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys" would not load block devices /sys/hda etc..? |
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| 21:06.21 | Arrowmaster | you mean /sys/block/hda? |
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| 21:06.48 | rjaym | sorry yes |
| 21:07.32 | rjaym | this is inside an initramfs shell |
| 21:07.32 | BenBE | abrotman Well, basically I need this for some daemon project I'm working on to check for a disk before issuing the actual cdrecord command. |
| 21:07.48 | BenBE | What would be the hal way be? |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | BenBE: right .. cdinfo |
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| 21:08.08 | BenBE | (The daemon is written using PEAR System_Daemon class) |
| 21:08.12 | devurandom | Hi! |
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| 21:08.27 | abrotman | BenBE: cdinfo -d <device> .. if there's no disc it will say so |
| 21:08.49 | devurandom | Where is linux-image-2.6.31-1-686 to be found? linux-image-686 depends on it, but it seems missing on my end... |
| 21:10.08 | BenBE | abrotman Which package name? |
| 21:10.16 | BenBE | Can't find it on the list ATM ... |
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| 21:10.59 | Arrowmaster | BenBE: cdtool |
| 21:11.03 | BenBE | k, found it: cdtool. |
| 21:11.10 | BenBE | Thx. |
| 21:11.10 | abrotman | BenBE: apt-file is a wonder |
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| 21:11.29 | Arrowmaster | does that work if you dont have the package installed? |
| 21:11.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:11.55 | Arrowmaster | i just use packages.debian.org |
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| 21:12.39 | BenBE | Yeah, but the computer I'm working on is an AMD K6 with 400MHz, 256 MB RAM and 4GB harddrive running Lenny... And I need about 1GB free disk space for the work the maschine has to do ;-) |
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| 21:13.16 | Arrowmaster | uninstall gnome |
| 21:13.52 | nsadmin | BenBE get another hd |
| 21:14.54 | BenBE | nsadmin Well, computer is build from spare parts ... No reason to change stuff as the resources are reaching by far if you keep the system simple. |
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| 21:15.19 | xhairball | BenBE: If it's for a program, you may want to use the API instead: http://www.gnu.org/software/libcdio/ |
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| 21:17.11 | BenBE | xhairball Thanks for this link. But I'm using PHP (as mentioned) and thus direct API access would require a API binding. And as speed doesn't matter for my task there, using shell utilities is enough. |
| 21:18.07 | sway | BenBE: why do you need 1gb of disc space? |
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| 21:19.59 | BenBE | sway To store the image files to be burnt. |
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| 21:21.26 | sway | BenBE: thank you |
| 21:23.39 | abrotman | BenBE: all you want it to do is to rip/encode a CD ? |
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| 21:32.01 | BenBE | abrotman No. |
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| 21:32.24 | abrotman | BenBE: you can talk in here |
| 21:32.41 | starenka | hi, i removed root's password in /etc/shadow and added my user to sudoers (to prevent root login from ssh). now if i do "sudo su -" i get "su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" but i get root prompt. what's my problem? |
| 21:33.51 | abrotman | BenBE: please talk in here .. explain what you're trying to do/automate |
| 21:33.55 | prince_jammys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.10 | sepult` | to prevent root login from ssh you'd confiugre ssh_config or sshd_config |
| 21:34.18 | sepult` | and not touch your shadow |
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| 21:34.44 | starenka | prince_jammys: ok, but i dont want to type the password when i su |
| 21:34.52 | sepult` | or even visudo and set appropriate command for root to not use ssh |
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| 21:35.36 | sepult` | starenka: then append a ALL=NOPASSWD: bla to your root on |
| 21:35.36 | sepult` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.58 | sepult` | in your /etc/sudeoers file |
| 21:36.12 | starenka | oh i already got that |
| 21:36.36 | starenka | so i just set the password back for root and edit sshdconf and im all set? |
| 21:36.47 | sepult` | starenka: have you a copy of your prev shadow somehwere to |
| 21:36.47 | sepult` | restore ? |
| 21:37.00 | sepult` | yep |
| 21:37.07 | sepult` | you're all set then |
| 21:37.08 | starenka | no i dont :( |
| 21:37.12 | sepult` | oh |
| 21:37.25 | starenka | feels shame |
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| 21:38.23 | starenka | if i copy a hash from an acoount i know password, would it work? (problably not) |
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| 21:38.34 | BenBE | abrotman And if I don't like to publish the whole project details ??? |
| 21:38.55 | abrotman | BenBE: you could have left out the details |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | just a general description .. |
| 21:39.16 | Arrowmaster | starenka: personal opinion but i prefer sudo -s over sudo su |
| 21:39.18 | sway | starenka: hashes can't be reversed. technically, anyway. |
| 21:39.21 | prince_jammys | if you are already using sudo, ''sudo -i'' is likely to accomplish what ''sudo su -'' was |
| 21:39.38 | BenBE | I thought I mentioned that above: Write a daemon that automates burning CDs using multiple CD burning drives. |
| 21:39.55 | starenka | ok, but how do i set a password for root now? passwd fails |
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| 21:40.49 | sepult` | starenka: do you have a /etc/shadow- ? |
| 21:41.06 | starenka | yes |
| 21:41.12 | starenka | oh |
| 21:41.16 | starenka | just mv it? |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | BenBE: so you're just looking for a blank in the drive, and hten you will proceed with burning? does cdinfo work or would you like the hal command ? |
| 21:42.22 | BenBE | Have to test with a blank CD ... mom |
| 21:42.28 | BenBE | but should do. |
| 21:42.43 | starenka | sepult`: do i just replace the shadow file w/ shadow- ? |
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| 21:42.57 | BenBE | You might provide the hal command if you have it at hand. TIA. |
| 21:43.02 | sepult` | starenka: only grep -i root /etc/shadow- >> /etc/shadow |
| 21:43.49 | starenka | thank you all |
| 21:43.55 | starenka | sepult`: thanks |
| 21:44.27 | abrotman | BenBE: .. i haven't messed with this in awhile .. `hal-get-property --udi '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_22_0' --key block.have_scanned |
| 21:44.34 | abrotman | whoops .. ignore leading ` |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | i probably found cdinfo to be more reliable |
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| 21:47.16 | BenBE | abrotman cdinfo seems to work just fine. |
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| 21:47.57 | abrotman | BenBE: it's probably less flaky than hal :) |
| 21:48.06 | BenBE | THX for the hint with hal; will test it sometime on a mashcine with hal installed (the maschine i currently work with does not) |
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| 21:48.12 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 21:52.50 | BenBE | hmmm, is it normal, that cdinfo only shows "data_disc" and no TOC information (independantly from the options I give)? |
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| 21:56.03 | BenBE | formats an CD-RW containing an Kubuntu Server image to check some stuff with burning an Debian Testing image ... |
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| 22:00.06 | kingsley | What are the default mail transfer agent and spam filter for Debian desktop workstations nowadays? |
| 22:01.25 | nkuttler | kingsley: exim, no default spam filter |
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| 22:03.24 | jorik | kingsley: install postfix/spamassassin/clamav/amavis |
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| 22:05.05 | starenka | prince_jammys: although i've changed PermitRootLogin to no it still asks for password (i did restart the deamon) |
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| 22:06.44 | kingsley | jorik: What advantage, if any, does postfix have over exim? |
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| 22:08.24 | laludelala | Hallo! |
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| 22:09.00 | BenBE | abrotman rechecked with an empty CD-RW ... cdinfo says no_disk ... |
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| 22:09.22 | laludelala | I would like to connect a second display to my notebook (nvidia driver) and run a "0.1" display on it -- can someone help with setup? |
| 22:09.23 | nkuttler | starenka: ssh? makes sense. an attacker shouldn't know root login is disabled. |
| 22:09.40 | starenka | awsome. thank you |
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| 22:13.21 | jorik | kingsley: its not exim, thats nuf said |
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| 22:16.29 | jorik | kingsley: exim and postfix are probably the "best" (very subjective, i know) MTA's out there... i just always used postfix... im sure exim is also good |
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| 22:17.39 | nkuttler | !why exim |
| 22:17.40 | dpkg | Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/06/msg00476.html, or see http://feayn.org/~lewis/exim.txt |
| 22:17.46 | roland- | hey, if I install testing/squeeze now , when will become stable do I have to reinstall ? |
| 22:18.30 | _stack | hi, why there is no rxvt-unicode in squeeze? |
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| 22:19.02 | SteveC | How can I find out what process is using a port in debian? |
| 22:19.20 | peterrooney | SteveC: netstat is your friend |
| 22:19.47 | peterrooney | SteveC: also, the lsof util is pretty good, too. |
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| 22:20.15 | nkuttler | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 22:20.15 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
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| 22:20.23 | BenBE | abrotman cdinfo only tells non-empty disks as present, but with HAL checking for disks in the drives works properly. |
| 22:20.46 | BenBE | I guess I can figure out the rest myself. |
| 22:20.53 | BenBE | Thanks a lot for that help! |
| 22:21.36 | BenBE | !help |
| 22:22.03 | SteveC | peterrooney: umm, not sure how tie the binary to the port in either? |
| 22:22.15 | peterrooney | SteveC: lsof -i |
| 22:23.30 | SteveC | hurm, according to that, nothing on port 80 but it's responding! |
| 22:23.30 | BenBE | !status php-geshi |
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| 22:24.51 | psi-jack_ | Okay. I have an external HDD that has a gpt partition table on it that I cannot seem to mount properly. It worked before just earlier today before making the distribution switch from Mandriva to Debian for this server, but now mount's saying it doesn't have a valid superblock |
| 22:26.28 | mesaGL | gpt you say. hmmm. maybe you'd better just go back to mandriva then |
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| 22:28.16 | Walex | psi-jack_: what get in the logs if you reread the partition table? ("hdparm -z" for example) |
| 22:28.20 | Arrowmaster | ive got a drive with a gpt partition table that works fine |
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| 22:29.14 | Number5 | hello guys, how can I install bluetooth lib with apt-get, I'm a bit new. I need it for programming in C |
| 22:29.23 | Arrowmaster | psi-jack_: this on your nvidia raid5? |
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| 22:31.11 | Number5 | sorry got it |
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| 22:31.43 | IUTkrasse | http://www.PetiteMarion.com/?id=361583 |
| 22:31.59 | roland- | hey, if I install testing/squeeze now , when will become stable do I have to reinstall ? |
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| 22:32.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:32.30 | roland- | good |
| 22:33.33 | Arrowmaster | although there may be some things youll have to manually change |
| 22:34.42 | neoice | does samba-server not respond well if the machine is under high CPU load or did I break something? |
| 22:37.20 | drasko | where can I find debian initramfs image? Is it linux/usr/initramfs_data.cpio.gz? |
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| 22:41.50 | yokobr | plz, could anyone help me to get my sound card working? |
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| 22:43.44 | babilen | !anyone |
| 22:43.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:44.24 | yokobr | ok... |
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| 22:44.46 | yokobr | I have an ESS Allegro (maestro3) sound card. When i run alsamixer, it shows me that. |
| 22:44.51 | psi-jack_ | Walex: Sec.. Didn't even have hdparm on here. jej |
| 22:44.53 | yokobr | But still i have no sound |
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| 22:44.57 | psi-jack_ | Arrowmaster: Nope |
| 22:45.23 | babilen | yokobr: IIRC you have to download some firmware package from alsa and compile the driver. There should be a page on maestro3 on wiki.debian.org |
| 22:45.44 | yokobr | babilen, i've followed step by step that tutorial. |
| 22:45.46 | psi-jack_ | Walex: Negative. hdparm -Z no good. |
| 22:46.03 | yokobr | and as i said, it shows me it. |
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| 22:46.21 | babilen | yokobr: Ah, ok. Sorry... Did you unmute the channels? |
| 22:46.30 | yokobr | yes. |
| 22:46.32 | psi-jack_ | Oh well. I put a mirror drive into a USB case and got it back anyway. |
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| 22:46.53 | yokobr | babilen, it's unmuted. |
| 22:46.55 | psi-jack_ | Just all the work I'd done to backup to the small mini laptop drive slapped into a USB case went to waste. |
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| 22:47.26 | yokobr | babilen, i've done the wiki tutorial, and it worked. |
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| 22:47.39 | yokobr | But still i got no sound in some applications.. |
| 22:47.41 | babilen | yokobr: Ok, great. I assume you already tried unloading and loading the module. Where there any errors? (See dmesg) |
| 22:47.50 | yokobr | so i've removed and re-installed alsa.. |
| 22:47.56 | yokobr | so it stopped forever |
| 22:48.07 | babilen | yokobr: Does that mean you have sound in some application but no sound in others? |
| 22:48.20 | yokobr | nope. Now i have no sound at all |
| 22:48.27 | yokobr | after reinstalling alsa |
| 22:48.27 | psi-jack_ | Oh well, I'm out. |
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| 22:49.35 | babilen | yokobr: So it worked perfectly until you reinstalled alsa? |
| 22:50.13 | yokobr | it worked perfectly.. only zsnes had no sound |
| 22:50.20 | yokobr | that's why i've re-installed alsa. |
| 22:50.49 | jorginator | question: what's the easiest way to synchronize the evolution address book between two machines? |
| 22:52.13 | yokobr | babilen, dmesg shows "firmware: requesting ess/maestro3_assp_kernel.fw" and "minisrc.fw" |
| 22:52.24 | yokobr | no error message |
| 22:52.50 | babilen | yokobr: Is the firmware still in place (I would think so, but anyway) |
| 22:53.14 | yokobr | babilen, yes, i guess. |
| 22:53.35 | yokobr | how do i load and unload that modules again? |
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| 22:54.01 | yokobr | rmmod and modprobe? |
| 22:54.12 | babilen | yokobr: modprobe -r snd-maestro3 && modprobe snd-maestro3 |
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| 22:55.14 | yokobr | it says that's in use. |
| 22:57.29 | bugjar | what's the note to ask dpkg about NO_PUBKEY |
| 22:57.45 | yokobr | i think that the driver and firmware is installed correctly... The problem shoud be with alsa |
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| 22:58.22 | yokobr | well.. |
| 22:58.29 | yokobr | i'll try the last time.. |
| 22:58.33 | yokobr | just a min. |
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| 22:59.32 | Tramp | !tell bugjar -about public key |
| 22:59.35 | bugjar | how do i ask dpkg about updating the gpg key |
| 22:59.39 | Tramp | that one? |
| 22:59.41 | bugjar | ahhh thanks |
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| 23:03.22 | bugjar | tramp, dpkg says to get it from http://ftp-master.debian.org/, but where? |
| 23:03.45 | bugjar | tramp, hrm. maybe under http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html, but that's for archive? wacky page... |
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| 23:07.39 | bugjar | how are these keys signed? |
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| 23:09.54 | GPSIN | yahoooooooooooooo] |
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| 23:10.47 | abbe | hi all |
| 23:11.05 | abbe | What is the recommended way to set EDITOR globally in Debian ? |
| 23:11.07 | bugjar | grrrrrrrrr |
| 23:11.25 | abbe | I've added EDITOR=vim to environment(5) but visudo still opens nano |
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| 23:11.42 | abbe | though my shell has $EDITOR set to vim |
| 23:12.28 | abbe | i think i've to use update-alternatives to update editor symlink. |
| 23:12.33 | bugjar | abbe: i've done this and wish i could tell you... |
| 23:12.43 | Coweater | abbe: |
| 23:12.48 | epsilon | mine's jed - like emacs, just smart |
| 23:12.51 | bugjar | a yes, simlink are annoying like that.. /etc/alternatives |
| 23:13.11 | themill | abbe: "export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim" wfm |
| 23:13.20 | abbe | yes I liked jed also...:). |
| 23:13.26 | abbe | themill, wfm ? |
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| 23:13.35 | epsilon | I just have "export EDITOR=jed" in .bashrc |
| 23:13.35 | themill | !wfm |
| 23:13.36 | dpkg | i heard wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 23:13.38 | bugjar | themill, the simlink will override the $EDITOR preferencesa |
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| 23:13.45 | themill | bugjar: no it won't |
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| 23:14.00 | \amethyst | abbe: did you log out and back in after you changed /etc/environment? |
| 23:14.02 | epsilon | kiss |
| 23:14.03 | abbe | themill, i want to set it globally and don't want to keep setting it again |
| 23:14.04 | bugjar | guess it's just me. |
| 23:14.11 | abbe | \amethyst, yes, and I can it in my environment. |
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| 23:14.24 | abbe | \amethyst, but when I do, sudo visudo, it still loads nano |
| 23:14.27 | epsilon | !kiss |
| 23:14.27 | dpkg | well, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 23:14.42 | themill | abbe: update-alternatives for the editor alternative is then the easiest approach, as long as you *haven't* set EDITOR anywhere |
| 23:15.04 | abbe | okay, thanks themill. |
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| 23:15.43 | \amethyst | visudo ignores VISUAL and EDITOR by default |
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| 23:15.46 | themill | abbe: "sudo visudo" will unset EDITOR prior to calling visudo |
| 23:16.06 | \amethyst | you need Defaults env_editor in sudoers |
| 23:16.08 | abbe | yes, I knew that it doesn't preserve environment variables unless I ask it. |
| 23:16.17 | themill | \amethyst: err... no it doesn't |
| 23:16.40 | bluesceada | hi |
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| 23:16.44 | \amethyst | themill: manpage says "The following environment variables may be consulted depending on the value of the editor and env_editor sudoers variables:" |
| 23:16.48 | bluesceada | where can i ask questions about debian-desktop? |
| 23:16.51 | bluesceada | is there a channel? |
| 23:16.55 | \amethyst | themill: the manpage for visudo that is |
| 23:16.56 | themill | \amethyst: "sudo visudo" ignores editor, just visudo does not |
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| 23:17.20 | bluesceada | if not: how would be the best way to go from lennys kde to the one of debian-desktop lenny-backports (4.3.x) ? |
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| 23:17.49 | icedwater | Hey guys :) I'm trying to fix a partition table that has one partition not ending on a proper cylinder. Gparted reads the partition table as blank ... if I used that all my data would be gone. |
| 23:18.03 | themill | bluesceada: there is no sensible way of using KDE 4.3 with lenny. Packages that provide that aren't supported here. |
| 23:18.05 | icedwater | Are there any tools to recommend? sfdisk and fdisk complain, too. |
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| 23:19.11 | \amethyst | themill: hm, either the manpage is wrong, or this is because it uses sensible-editor as the hard-coded editor |
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| 23:19.39 | \amethyst | themill: or it was compiled with --with-enveditor I guess |
| 23:20.05 | \amethyst | I guess the man page doesn't necessarily describe debian's configuration |
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| 23:20.13 | themill | \amethyst: in lenny, "EDITOR=vim visudo" uses vim and "EDITOR=nano visudo" uses nano with a default sudoers. |
| 23:21.23 | belak | Is there a good way to run a git version of a program in debian? Say, like... mpd and ncmpcpp? |
| 23:21.28 | \amethyst | themill: yeah, I can confirm here |
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| 23:22.16 | bluesceada | themill: whate are the debian-desktops repositories for then? |
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| 23:22.30 | \amethyst | themill: yeah, Debian configures visudo with --with-env-editor |
| 23:22.45 | themill | bluesceada: you'd have to ask them. They are just some random website providing .debs. They are nothing to do with the debian project. |
| 23:22.48 | bluesceada | icedwater: fdisk can often be the best to fix sth. |
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| 23:23.00 | themill | \amethyst: yeah, the man page for visudo says that (later in the same paragraph) |
| 23:23.19 | bluesceada | themill: ok so those are not the people behind the debian-desktop reps? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ |
| 23:23.29 | \amethyst | themill: it doesn't say that Debian's was compiled that way, but I see now that it is |
| 23:23.34 | bluesceada | it's just also called debian-desktop and just there for the "normal" kde etc. packages? |
| 23:23.49 | bluesceada | *confusion* |
| 23:23.53 | \amethyst | themill: oh |
| 23:23.56 | themill | bluesceada: Different bunch of people indeed. |
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| 23:24.01 | \amethyst | themill: the Lenny version does, the Sid version does not |
| 23:24.05 | \amethyst | themill: bah |
| 23:24.09 | bluesceada | themill: uh ok, thanks |
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| 23:24.50 | themill | \amethyst: interesting... has the behaviour changed? (changing visudo almost warrants mentioning in the release notes) |
| 23:24.56 | \amethyst | themill: no, the behaviour has not |
| 23:25.11 | \amethyst | themill: just a manpage regression |
| 23:25.18 | themill | yay :( |
| 23:25.29 | \amethyst | I'll report it |
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| 23:26.45 | bugjar | hooray! now upgrading a new etch install to lenny! |
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| 23:29.02 | abbe | belak, maybe building packages using git repo as source and then install those packages. |
| 23:29.55 | belak | make install?? |
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| 23:30.41 | abbe | belak, that is source-based install, if you want to do that, you won't be able to cleanly track what all files it installed in case you later want to uninstall it. |
| 23:30.56 | belak | Then checkinstall? |
| 23:31.00 | abbe | belak, building packages and then installing those packages is what I'll prefer. |
| 23:31.06 | belak | abbe: how |
| 23:31.12 | \amethyst | themill: ah, in the source package the change is in visudo.man.in but that is now generated from visudo.pod |
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| 23:31.46 | abbe | belak, debian new maintainer's guide and there is also another HOWTO about using VCS repositories as sources in packages. |
| 23:31.59 | Gm4n | does lenny use ksplice to install kernels? I just installed a kernel update and wasn't prompted to reboot... |
| 23:32.03 | abbe | belak, you can start by modifying existing source package. |
| 23:32.47 | \amethyst | themill: and visudo.man.in is as packaged newer than visudo.pod |
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| 23:33.02 | zmitya | hi all |
| 23:33.10 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 23:33.15 | belak | See the thing is that I'm running gentoo right now... and I kinda want to try Debian (I liked ubuntu but found it too... un-customizable)... the whole live packages is the only thing that kills it for me |
| 23:33.21 | themill | \amethyst: at least that sounds easy to fix |
| 23:33.29 | bbelt16ag | is there a how to for setting up hibernate and suspend what config files do i need to fix |
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| 23:33.37 | \amethyst | themill: well, the thing is I'm not sure why it's built the way it is |
| 23:33.45 | abbe | belak, gentoo is best for source based stuff, emerge is easier than debian packaging system, IMO. |
| 23:33.54 | zmitya | guys, I'm writing a proxy application (RTP) and I would like to set up the nice to -20 |
| 23:34.01 | abbe | belak, or better you can try Arch too...:P |
| 23:34.03 | zmitya | does it have any side effects on the system |
| 23:34.07 | zmitya | can I do that ? |
| 23:34.16 | belak | abbe: good idea... why didn't I think of that? |
| 23:34.17 | \amethyst | themill: since the .man.in is newer and does have the phrase, the manpage should be generated with the phrase |
| 23:34.34 | belak | abbe: Maybe I'll try both in Vbox First |
| 23:34.35 | xhairball | belak: stgit/topgit/etc is your friend here. Clone the main repo and then add a patch using Debian's changes: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/mpd/0.15.4-1. You can then easily track the upstream codebase with Debian's changes synched. |
| 23:34.37 | belak | Thanks for the ideas |
| 23:35.15 | abbe | belak, Building packages for Arch is very easy...:) |
| 23:35.20 | abbe | all the best belak . |
| 23:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, we don't know if _you_ can do that :) |
| 23:35.33 | belak | abbe: AUR? |
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| 23:35.46 | abbe | belak, yes, AUR is their user-contributions repository. |
| 23:35.59 | abbe | xhairball, is there any documentation for that ? |
| 23:36.05 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: actually I can renice the app :) |
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| 23:36.13 | belak | abbe: Are you in the archlinux chanel too? I might need some help... in a bit |
| 23:36.16 | abbe | xhairball, I mean using VCS as sources for packages. |
| 23:36.43 | abbe | belak, you can PM me, if I've time, I'll help you or ask someone in the channel.... |
| 23:36.51 | belak | Ok |
| 23:36.57 | belak | I'll be back in a bit... |
| 23:37.02 | belak | Kernel upgrade |
| 23:37.05 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean can it prevent the system from any other operation ? what is the "healthy" nice level for an app, which is the only running app on the system ? |
| 23:37.34 | zmitya | plus syslog-ng :) |
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| 23:38.20 | \amethyst | themill: ohh |
| 23:38.43 | xhairball | abbe: What I mentioned is documented in the topgit man page. There are git repos for some packages already: http://git.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Git |
| 23:39.27 | abbe | xhairball, I don't use Debian right now because of packaging issues I'd with it in past...but I'll definitely want to go back to it. Thanks for the links. |
| 23:39.28 | jimcooncat | xhairball: do you recommend gitosis or any other helper? |
| 23:40.26 | xhairball | jimcooncat: I've always used git directly so I'm not sure about what front ends are best. |
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| 23:42.01 | scibotic | I need help pretty badly, my left click just stopped working and I need a way to bind a key to it in the mean-time. |
| 23:42.08 | jimcooncat | xhairball, I just found "everyday git with 20 commands", so I think I'll be set :-) |
| 23:42.29 | RichiH | how do i permanently change the keyboard encoding on tty? i need to go de -> us |
| 23:42.41 | scibotic | I'm looking to use my "Windows" key for it, so does anyone know how to do that? |
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| 23:43.20 | scibotic | If you're wondering why I just can't get a new mouse, it's a laptop and I can't research a solution while I can't click. |
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| 23:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, well, guess it's not really good if it has higer priority than swapping... |
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| 23:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, also I don't see why you'd need such a high priority |
| 23:45.27 | xhairball | abbe: Ok. I really like topgit. It fits in well with how I want to work. You clone a repo as the master, then use "tg init" to create a topgit branch. On the master branch, you do the usual "git pull" or "git svn rebase". Switch over to the topgit branch and do "tg update" and it pulls in all of the changes and commits them. Since it's just a git branch + metadata, you can have a tg branch pointing to another tg branch as the source. |
| 23:46.00 | abbe | okay |
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| 23:46.42 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: well, trying to get the max performance from my app, thats the only reason... that is why I asked you guys :) |
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| 23:47.30 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you think would be the best nice level for an app, which is the only prg in the system ? |
| 23:47.43 | ahi | I have a CanoScan Lide 30, I can make it to scan as root, but not as normal user, how do I configure it? |
| 23:48.04 | ahi | (with sane) |
| 23:48.35 | Kvant | maybe you need to add yourself to the scanner group? |
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| 23:48.59 | ahi | I am in the scanner group, but let me check again... |
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| 23:49.52 | Gm4n | zmitya: if you're really trying for maximum performance, it's generally better to optimize your code than to renice it |
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| 23:51.05 | ahi | Kvant, I am in the scanner group, but it does still dont work |
| 23:51.21 | zmitya | Gm4n: well, I finished that, lets say I cant get better performance from my app (this does nto mean that it is impossible, just I can't do more) |
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| 23:51.43 | ahi | the problem with the CanoScan Lide Series with the root only mod is very common, but I dont understand what to do... |
| 23:52.12 | zmitya | Gm4n: actually I'm satisfied with the throughput of it, now I would like to improve it with finetuning the OS |
| 23:52.31 | Gm4n | are you limited by memory, CPU, disk speeds, ? |
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| 23:53.09 | Gm4n | renice is a way to get priority over other processes. If you don't *have* many other processes, there's not too much point |
| 23:53.09 | zmitya | I'm finetuning the network stack now and just tried to change the nice level |
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| 23:54.23 | zmitya | atually it will run on n x 10 servers, very importand to get the max performance since we can save servers |
| 23:55.57 | \amethyst | themill: bug report, with patch, sent |
| 23:56.00 | Gm4n | zmitya: what did you write it in? |
| 23:56.07 | themill | \amethyst: :) |
| 23:56.49 | zmitya | Gm4n: it is an RTP proxy for our voip system |
| 23:57.10 | Gm4n | I meant, what language is it written in? |
| 23:57.24 | zmitya | Gm4n: oh, sorry, its in C/C++ |
| 23:57.46 | zmitya | mainly in C just a few STL stuff |
| 23:57.56 | Gm4n | yeah, I'd really focus on things like loop unrolling and exploiting temporal/spatial locality |
| 23:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, you don't need to renice that at all... a) disk-speed and amount of memory will be limiting, not CPU, b) it'll get all the time it needs anyway if there are no processes using up CPU |
| 23:59.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, Gm4n already said there's not much point to it :) |