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| 00:00.42 | zmitya | Gm4n, CutMeOwnThroat: ok guys, understood.. and what wbout an RT patched kernel ? |
| 00:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, only you can really know... |
| 00:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it's pretty much the only process I'd again say there's not much point |
| 00:01.31 | zmitya | currently it can pass through 60 000 packets per second |
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| 00:01.50 | maher | how do i use the inconsolata fonts? |
| 00:01.53 | Gm4n | kernel code doesn't get faster hardware than normal code, it just gets a few less restrictions |
| 00:01.57 | zmitya | RTP packets are really small packets, so that is the most important |
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| 00:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so what *is* your bottleneck? |
| 00:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I really don't see you have to bother much |
| 00:03.05 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: well, don't know.. I just can't beleive that I can't improve the performance by some trick |
| 00:03.13 | bluesceada | zmitya: try the new edf scheduling policy |
| 00:03.18 | bluesceada | (maybe) |
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| 00:03.59 | zmitya | so I need the fastest network stack as possible |
| 00:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how such a trick should work, except if it's __magic__ |
| 00:04.43 | zmitya | CPU/memory is not an issue since _usually_ it does not do anything with the packet just passes through |
| 00:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only thing really would be if you can prevent the network code from doing (having to do) something silly like split large packets in lots of small ones or combine lots of small ones into large ones when it's not useful |
| 00:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | if CPU is not an issue, why do you care about renicing? |
| 00:06.14 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: thats a good point |
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| 00:06.42 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: don't really know, just trying things |
| 00:06.52 | bluesceada | if you are trying different things |
| 00:06.58 | bluesceada | try the edf scheduling class |
| 00:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you're at about the limit of your ethernet connection, what OS-tweaking do you think could help that? |
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| 00:07.11 | zmitya | bluesceada: thanks, I'll check it |
| 00:07.27 | bluesceada | on lkml: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/9/22/186 |
| 00:07.39 | bluesceada | it's earliest deadline first scheduling |
| 00:07.42 | bluesceada | (realtime scheduling) |
| 00:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, well, don't try random things but try to find out what is limiting the throughput... |
| 00:08.12 | bluesceada | but it's rather for a higher cpu load, so ... |
| 00:08.20 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: actually I'm not running out of the network connection: 60 000 packets / sec means (172 bytes each) ~10 Mbyte /sec |
| 00:09.04 | zmitya | I have gig network card with the best ciscos around which can handle n x 100000 packets / sec |
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| 00:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you really get anything near that with ping -f, though? |
| 00:09.38 | zmitya | well is it possible that the kernel is the bottleneck in my case ? |
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| 00:10.08 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: let me check :) |
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| 00:11.53 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: 77256 packets transmitted, 77255 received, 0% packet loss, time 24238ms |
| 00:12.35 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: this is 3100 packets / sec |
| 00:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, you should probably use -s also |
| 00:12.42 | zmitya | oh |
| 00:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... to set a comparable size? |
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| 00:13.39 | tonyb486 | is tempted to try that over ip over infiniband.. |
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| 00:15.17 | zmitya | 62213 packets transmitted, 62213 received, 0% packet loss, time 21203ms = ~3000 pps |
| 00:15.35 | maher | so i installed inconsolata, but it doesn't show up in xfontsel - what shoudl i do? |
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| 00:17.35 | tonyb486 | 102307 packets transmitted, 102307 received, 0% packet loss, time 3524ms |
| 00:17.45 | tonyb486 | ip over infiniband |
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| 00:20.27 | drasko | Hi. I am trying to boot Debian kernel with initrd and my custom fs in qemu and I am gettig: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed |
| 00:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, so ping -f transmits a factor 10 less than your program? |
| 00:21.24 | drasko | : No such file or directory, but I created /root/dev dit on my fs. What could be wrong? |
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| 00:22.17 | drasko | I am calling qemu like this: qemu -kernel vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 -initrd initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 -hda rootfs.img -append "root=/dev/hda init=hello_test" -curses |
| 00:22.42 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: actually yes |
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| 00:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so am I the only one thinking that's weird? |
| 00:23.11 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: 3000 is a pretty low value I think |
| 00:23.21 | zmitya | yes, its weird :) |
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| 00:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, ping uses its own protocol |
| 00:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | iirc |
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| 00:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, well, it's 6000 packets - they have to come back as well |
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| 00:28.18 | NoCode | Is there a Squeeze ISO out there instead of upgrading from stable? |
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| 00:29.00 | petemc | NoCode: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:29.07 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but my program does it twice as well :) from A to B and from B to A... the sum of the packets are 60 000 pps |
| 00:29.16 | nar | can i get some basic support here for debian mirror instruction? I'm trying to do it the right way and not use the "apt-mirror" package. |
| 00:29.24 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm wondering if I can remove netfilter |
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| 00:30.15 | NoCode | petemc: Thanks. I guess the only option is netinstall? What business card? |
| 00:30.19 | NoCode | What's* |
| 00:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, but really, while I wouldn't claim to be an expert on networking, you never get anywhere near the performance the name of a network connection suggests - after all the closer you get to that theoretical value, the more your number of packet collisions increases.... |
| 00:30.34 | petemc | NoCode: business card doesnt support ppp, afaik |
| 00:30.46 | NoCode | ...ppp? |
| 00:30.53 | NoCode | PPPoE? |
| 00:31.04 | petemc | that as well |
| 00:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, and for every failed attempt to drop a packet on the ethernet, you get one retry (if it's tcp) |
| 00:31.40 | NoCode | I guess I'll just go for the netinstall then and hope it works. Will the iso work from USB too? |
| 00:32.10 | petemc | i dont think so |
| 00:32.14 | NoCode | I should have never installed Karmic. :( Squeeze was so beautiful. |
| 00:32.16 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: well, its UDP, but you are right... the dropped packets will increase for sure |
| 00:32.25 | NoCode | Okay. |
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| 00:33.06 | babilen | !ops SuZannA__ turk pr0n spam |
| 00:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, I don't really know much more about this, but I'd suggest.... IIRC it was ##networking |
| 00:33.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: SuZannA__ turk pr0n spam |
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| 00:33.27 | streuner__ | hm |
| 00:33.49 | NoCode | I guess I'll be back in a while. I need to install Squeeze again. Going to stick with it, and that's it, no more Ubuntu for me. I have no idea WHY I installed Karmic. Idiot I am. :) |
| 00:34.08 | NoCode | what's zsync? |
| 00:34.20 | tntc | NoCode: because that beautiful brown scheme got the best of you :) |
| 00:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, 217 ppl in there, seems I got that name right |
| 00:34.40 | streuner__ | heh |
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| 00:35.16 | streuner__ | CutMeOwnThroat: a simple "i dont know" would be enough :-P |
| 00:35.24 | althaser | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplayer/libflashplayer.so how can I fix this ? |
| 00:35.25 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: thats fine... anyway, thanks for your answers, those were useful |
| 00:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner__, ha, see! |
| 00:36.13 | streuner__ | CutMeOwnThroat: well, most people here are just "hoeflich" :-P |
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| 00:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner__, anyway, I'd be interested reading their answer if (s)he asks there |
| 00:36.44 | streuner__ | you should know better, because you live in the states |
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| 00:37.30 | streuner | s/live/life/ |
| 00:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I was at a meeting/conference today, had to grin at one announcement someone did in the middle |
| 00:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's more something for #d-ot |
| 00:38.04 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:39.59 | dob1 | hi, what is a good way to remove kde packages ? |
| 00:40.08 | maher | it works now but i don't know why.... |
| 00:40.25 | dob1 | i am using gnome right now, and i have a lot of kde applications that i don't want to keep anymore |
| 00:40.47 | streuner | dob1: all of them? |
| 00:40.49 | maher | dob1: it does no harm to leave them |
| 00:40.53 | streuner | !remove kde |
| 00:40.53 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). |
| 00:41.09 | maher | dob1: you might also like deborphan |
| 00:41.42 | dob1 | maher: i know it doesn't create problems to leave them, but now on gnome menu i have 200 kde applications, it's a bit annoying |
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| 00:48.29 | hehu | serious: what if ubuntu was a payed project to ruin linux's image? |
| 00:49.01 | peterrooney | hehu: if true, then it's failed badly. |
| 00:49.14 | peterrooney | s/it's/it has/ |
| 00:49.17 | \amethyst | hehu: wrong conspiracy theory, that's OpenSuse |
| 00:49.22 | \amethyst | :P |
| 00:49.26 | hehu | think about it |
| 00:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... serious: it's really offtopic here |
| 00:49.37 | hehu | it just blew my mind |
| 00:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, is there ##conspiracy-theories or ##theworldisevil |
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| 00:51.12 | roland- | hey, I am having some issues, need to add a line in grub in squeeze but it's using the new grub and everyhing is changed |
| 00:51.54 | streuner | that shouldnt be a problem if using only Debian |
| 00:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I admit blissful ignorance, but... #grub? |
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| 00:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | they only want to give advice on grub2 now :) |
| 00:53.15 | streuner | roland-: if you using 98, dont be afraid, it doesnt work here too :-P |
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| 00:54.49 | roland- | no im using somehting else |
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| 00:57.05 | peterrooney | roland-: can you install lilo? |
| 00:57.11 | peterrooney | ducks and covers |
| 00:57.13 | streuner | well, it seems that isnt well supported in grub2 yet |
| 00:57.22 | streuner | i did |
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| 00:57.32 | streuner | not a bad idea... |
| 00:57.34 | roland- | peterrooney, i am goin to do that right now |
| 00:57.37 | streuner | in some cases |
| 00:57.38 | roland- | fucks grub |
| 00:58.43 | roland- | whete on earth is lilo.conf |
| 00:58.45 | roland- | this is ridicoulous |
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| 00:59.57 | streuner | roland-: it doesnt exist |
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| 01:00.09 | streuner | roland-: even if you have lilo installed... |
| 01:00.20 | roland- | wow debian ROCKS |
| 01:00.22 | streuner | roland-: you have to create that |
| 01:00.31 | streuner | tell news |
| 01:00.36 | roland- | grub complicated lilo cannot be configured. |
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| 01:01.11 | streuner | well, you need some knowlegde about lilo and just google for an example for lilo.conf. thats all.. |
| 01:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grub2 |
| 01:01.35 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition and <grub2 squeeze>. #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:09.56 | lordlicorice | since I installed gstreamer plugins, mplayer works but gmplayer is broken |
| 01:10.06 | lordlicorice | keeps saying things about broken frames and skipping all over the place |
| 01:10.09 | lordlicorice | any ideas? |
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| 01:11.32 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 01:11.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 01:12.14 | babilen | lordlicorice: #mplayer might also be a place to ask |
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| 01:13.18 | lordlicorice | ok |
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| 01:16.21 | nsadmin | lordlicorice: if one's operating fine and the other is having performance problems, you could consider the difference between the two... that g, what does that mean? |
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| 01:17.44 | Jorophose | how can I perform a sector check with a linux live CD? searches don't bring anything up =( |
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| 01:18.08 | lordlicorice | nsadmin: well it plays 1080p h.264 perfectly fine, only certain codecs are broken |
| 01:18.15 | lordlicorice | nsadmin: I just can't figure out what settings are different |
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| 01:18.40 | lordlicorice | shouldn't they use the same .mplayerrc or something, just with a different interface |
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| 01:22.02 | iluminator101 | Hey how do i install grub-legacy, i have lilo installed right now without messing up my mbr? |
| 01:23.36 | nsadmin | lordlicorice so both gmplayer and mplayer play certain file types ok? |
| 01:24.13 | nsadmin | iluminator101: start by backing up your mbr |
| 01:24.39 | iluminator101 | nsadmin: how do i do that? |
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| 01:26.13 | nsadmin | iluminator101: very quick question come back... I admire your speed... what will you find if you google for "back up mbr" |
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| 01:26.45 | lordlicorice | nsadmin: yeah |
| 01:26.59 | lordlicorice | I don't know, I just won't use it |
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| 01:27.02 | lordlicorice | not a big deal |
| 01:28.13 | nsadmin | you can lead someone to their own mind... but you can't make them think! |
| 01:29.27 | iluminator101 | ha ha....very funny, you should get an emmy |
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| 01:29.44 | rumpsy | hey guys :D |
| 01:29.52 | rumpsy | Happy weekend |
| 01:29.58 | markybob | s/emmy/enema |
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| 01:30.17 | markybob | rumpsy, fuck no it isnt |
| 01:31.47 | rumpsy | Tell me how to mount sda using uid |
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| 01:32.14 | rumpsy | !hi |
| 01:32.35 | rumpsy | dpkg.... oh i miss you bot |
| 01:32.42 | nsadmin | first find the uid |
| 01:32.49 | rumpsy | i found that |
| 01:33.17 | rumpsy | i want to know command format |
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| 01:33.34 | rumpsy | i know my uid here.. |
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| 01:34.44 | muddd | hey which old debian version runs glibc-linuxthreads-2.2.5? |
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| 01:35.20 | muddd | this developer I'm dealing with wants me to roll back my libc to that version, but I'm sure I can't using lenny |
| 01:35.20 | rumpsy | nsadmin: then what i have to do? |
| 01:35.49 | nsadmin | I can't find my uuid fstab |
| 01:35.51 | prince_jammys | wonders if you're referring to UUID or your user's UID |
| 01:36.01 | rumpsy | lol |
| 01:36.11 | prince_jammys | UUID=blahblah takes place of /dev/sdaX |
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| 01:36.41 | prince_jammys | mount -U blahblah ... if using mount. see man mount |
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| 01:37.08 | rumpsy | There is a format to mount sda... how to achieve it using uid |
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| 01:39.29 | babilen | muddd: woody maybe (might be 2.3 though) |
| 01:39.48 | babilen | muddd: Still the MySQL3 thing? |
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| 01:40.24 | muddd | babilen, yup |
| 01:40.38 | muddd | I got an email from the guy... I think i caught him off guard |
| 01:40.59 | muddd | now I know why he primarily shoots for people running windows |
| 01:41.01 | nsadmin | try potato |
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| 01:41.20 | rumpsy | nsadmin: did you find uid |
| 01:41.29 | nsadmin | he shoots four people running windows?! |
| 01:41.33 | muddd | I'm thinking of keeping my lenny, but running the old woody or whatever in a virtual-box |
| 01:41.41 | muddd | ha he should |
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| 01:42.09 | babilen | muddd: So the company will not provide support for Linux? |
| 01:42.18 | nsadmin | well it's going to be his server, yes? |
| 01:43.45 | muddd | babilen, :) doesn't look like it hahaha. Pretty much its mysql 3 and apache-tomcat-4.1.40 |
| 01:43.59 | muddd | with some sort of java thing he did as a front end for the database |
| 01:44.11 | muddd | from what I know anyways |
| 01:44.40 | muddd | I should learn to program a frontend for mysql myself. I at least have been studying version 5 any suggestions? |
| 01:45.00 | muddd | perl/python/php or something> |
| 01:45.43 | babilen | wonders why your company bought that crap |
| 01:45.54 | nsadmin | rumpsy I thought I was using uuids, but I guess not any more... take a look at man mount |
| 01:46.19 | Sir_Konrad | is away. He'll be back later. |
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| 01:49.20 | rares | FF 3.5 keeps dying when i click the close tab button |
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| 01:51.16 | babilen | rares: Then don't click it |
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| 02:00.04 | kingsley | How would you move emails in /var/spool/exim4/input/ to /var/spool/mail/<username>? |
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| 02:02.20 | rumpsy | where is dpkg |
| 02:02.41 | rumpsy | help me to mount nfts to user |
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| 02:03.40 | kingsley | rumpsy: $ which dpkg |
| 02:03.47 | rumpsy | bot |
| 02:03.58 | rumpsy | Leave that |
| 02:04.00 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 02:04.11 | rumpsy | tell me how to mount ntfa partition |
| 02:04.18 | rumpsy | tell me how to mount ntfs partition |
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| 02:04.51 | rumpsy | i know how to mount it for root, but i want for user |
| 02:05.48 | markybob | !tell rumpsy about user accessible ntfs |
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| 02:07.12 | markybob | rumpsy, you're welcome |
| 02:07.34 | rumpsy | why dpkg not answering me? |
| 02:07.40 | rumpsy | o_O |
| 02:07.52 | markybob | rumpsy, it's a fucking bot, not a psychic |
| 02:08.27 | zcat | I updated from stable to testing the other day, and all went well, except for one bit of kernel 2.6.26 to 2.6.30-2 minutia: I've got a cheapo CF-IDE HDD adapter that doesn't support DMA, so it slows bootup by about 90 seconds waiting for it to timeout. Previously, 'options ide_core options="ide=nodma"' in /etc/modprobe.d/nodma.hack, was a good workaround, but no longer. |
| 02:08.40 | nar | anyone here running a debian mirror? |
| 02:08.49 | zcat | Before I go digging, anyone happen to know what changed? (libata was already present in 2.6.26 afaik) |
| 02:09.02 | rumpsy | markybob:do this !tell rumpsy about mount |
| 02:09.04 | epsilon | nar: metaquestion |
| 02:09.11 | rumpsy | i need that |
| 02:09.23 | rumpsy | !tell rumpsy about mount |
| 02:09.26 | nar | epsilon: metaquestion? |
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| 02:09.48 | rumpsy | nar:do this !tell rumpsy about mount |
| 02:09.49 | markybob | rumpsy, what you need is a brain transplant |
| 02:10.06 | rumpsy | markybob: plese do this !tell rumpsy about mount |
| 02:10.38 | markybob | zcat, libata is no more |
| 02:11.43 | zcat | markybob, sorry? libata is what replace the old sauce (about 2 years ago iirc). |
| 02:11.46 | zcat | *replaced |
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| 02:11.56 | zcat | sdX vs hdX etc. |
| 02:12.17 | markybob | zcat, yes, and now it has been removed. kernel develops very quickly |
| 02:12.56 | opakavic | something happened to rumpsy o_O |
| 02:13.05 | opakavic | Where is he now o_O |
| 02:13.09 | zcat | markybob, with? |
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| 02:13.28 | markybob | zcat, honestly, man, if you cant figure this out, you shouldnt be compiling your own kernel. |
| 02:13.59 | zcat | markybob, It's the standard testing kernel; I'm not rebuilding anything. |
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| 02:14.14 | zcat | modprobe -l libata ; lsmod|grep libata |
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| 02:15.15 | rumpsy | i got it thank you :D |
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| 02:16.10 | eatnumber1 | hey, I am running a dns server on my machine, and I'd like to have the machine delegate to itself for dns before it goes to the dns servers retrieved via dhcp. I have a dns-nameservers 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/network/interfaces, but that puts the nameserver 127.0.0.1 line after the dhcp ones. I need that line before. How do I do that? |
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| 02:17.48 | Sir_Konrad | is back! All systems are go! |
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| 02:21.25 | alex2012 | hey folks |
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| 02:22.20 | alex2012 | I am running a box with no debian internet connection and I want to add wvdial, do I just download wvidial and its 1 st level dependencies? |
| 02:22.29 | alex2012 | in order to install it |
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| 02:24.55 | roland- | hey, hotplugs loads moduse e1000e by default at boot, and I don't want that, can I fix it? |
| 02:25.27 | merrily | roland-: add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
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| 02:25.45 | alex2012 | :) |
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| 02:26.04 | alex2012 | debian is pretty neet |
| 02:26.08 | alex2012 | neat |
| 02:26.58 | roland- | yeah but newest grub sucks. |
| 02:27.20 | alex2012 | why? |
| 02:27.40 | mattgirv | im using grub-legacy too, only because i couldnt get the map function working properly in grub2 |
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| 02:28.02 | roland- | im using lilo |
| 02:28.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats not a reason why grub sucks |
| 02:28.29 | merrily | alex2012: so much better not to ask |
| 02:28.55 | mattgirv | Kamping_Kaiser: If you're talking to me, I never said Grub2 sucks, just that I had trouble |
| 02:29.03 | alex2012 | well its my first day using linux |
| 02:29.04 | alex2012 | and its fun |
| 02:29.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | mattgirv: no, i was talking to roland- |
| 02:29.48 | alex2012 | merrily so much better to ask |
| 02:29.48 | alex2012 | :) |
| 02:29.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk, i'll br back in an hour |
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| 02:33.20 | alex2012 | without asking whole process might take much longer |
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| 02:34.49 | alex2012 | and whats a point to sit in chat and say nothing? |
| 02:34.59 | sway | alex2012: aptitude will take care of the dependencies for you |
| 02:35.08 | alex2012 | lol |
| 02:35.08 | alex2012 | merely log others convos? |
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| 02:35.43 | roland- | can I install grub legacy if I am on squeeze? |
| 02:36.06 | merrily | roland-: of course. you can do whatever you want, though it may not be wise |
| 02:36.42 | roland- | why is not wise? |
| 02:37.10 | merrily | for all of the reasons that grub2 was written in the first place |
| 02:38.00 | merrily | really, no one cares. you do as you wish |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | alex2012: you're actually welcome to ask questions... and as you progress in your understanding, you can hope to gain the ability to find answers that already exist (example, there are many "slow irc" like things, such as email lists where conversations are archived and searchable) |
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| 02:39.13 | xhairball | nsadmin: notice that tab complete didn't work? alex2012 already left. :) |
| 02:39.27 | nsadmin | he did? oh ok |
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| 02:40.17 | nsadmin | tab completion in irc clients doesn't work right... I don't use it cause I don't like how it works... |
| 02:40.28 | nsadmin | so I cut/pasted his nick |
| 02:40.43 | merrily | nsadmin: you sound like a pidgin user |
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| 02:41.02 | nsadmin | merrily: you can hear me typing?! |
| 02:41.16 | xhairball | really? Works fine for me in irssi. It remembers who spoke last so if I do 'n<tab>', it completes to you even though you're not alphabetically the first n* name. |
| 02:41.37 | merrily | xhairball: pidgin users are in their own little world. just let them be :P |
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| 02:42.45 | nsadmin | xhairball: someone's assuming I use pidgin... I contend my client doesn't matter :) |
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| 02:43.39 | merrily | nsadmin: one needs not assume when there's /version |
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| 02:45.13 | nsadmin | merrily: and yet you made not just that assumption, but one about the size of my world and whether I'm in it :) |
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| 02:45.59 | Guarini | hello ... |
| 02:46.08 | icebrain | Guarini: hi |
| 02:46.12 | merrily | nsadmin: ...i remember you saying that you couldnt delete a file while in use yesterday. i dont believe you have anything to hold on to. |
| 02:46.36 | merrily | nsadmin: feel free to try again, though :) |
| 02:46.41 | Guarini | somebody speak portuguese ? |
| 02:46.46 | nsadmin | !pt |
| 02:46.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 02:47.34 | Guarini | somebody know's wath happen with the debian testing iso files ? |
| 02:47.36 | merrily | nsadmin: c'mon...nothing? shame. |
| 02:47.44 | nsadmin | merrily: try what? not sure what kind of trouble you're trying to start... |
| 02:48.09 | merrily | nsadmin: i'm not starting trouble. i'm just proving that you have no idea what you're talking about, and thus you shouldnt be talking |
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| 02:48.38 | Guarini | this link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ have no files anymore ... |
| 02:48.40 | Guarini | =/ |
| 02:48.40 | nsadmin | merrily: ahh. and so you're a troll. -plonk-, and have a fun day... |
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| 02:50.41 | merrily | nsadmin: and yet i've shown you to be wrong and you've not shown me to be wrong. that, my dear idiot, makes you the troll |
| 02:51.49 | sway | merrily: can you make the letters in a sentence different colors? |
| 02:51.51 | nsadmin | !ops merrily offtopic troll |
| 02:51.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: merrily offtopic troll |
| 02:53.16 | nsadmin | I don't care if he stays, but at least talk to him |
| 02:54.07 | merrily | nsadmin: i havent done anythig wrong...which is why i'm still here. but thanks |
| 02:54.24 | babilen | merrily: If you realise that wrong advise is given by someone point that out in a friendly way. Everybody in here tries his/her best and might make mistakes.. |
| 02:54.45 | babilen | If you want to discuss this further -> #debian-offtopic |
| 02:55.25 | merrily | babilen: i accept that. to you i apologize |
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| 02:55.45 | nsadmin | please let me know if something starts in that regard, but I won't be starting it |
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| 02:59.02 | xhairball | Guarini: Not sure why it is empty for i386 and a couple others. There are images for amd64, sparc, powerpc, etc from Monday which is consistent with when the page says it will be updated. |
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| 03:09.37 | xhairball | Guarini: Found it. It's a known problem. Steve is on vacation until tomorrow. http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-cd@lists.debian.org/msg18782.html |
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| 03:11.04 | rahsputin | hi. How do i get a full screen using framebuffer: i use this command: fbset -fb /dev/fb0 -vxres 1024 -vyres 768 -depth 16 , ... but still the screen stays 640x480-60 |
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| 03:26.13 | ugly | I'm trying to identify the source of random reboots and freezes on my Dell laptop. Memory passes in memtest86+, smartctl's 'long' test completes without error, I don't see any obvious signs that the computer is overheating, and I can't find anything relevant in /var/log/messages or daemon.log. I do, however, see the following msg sporadically in dmesg: " kernel:[ 306.624805] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 31 on CPU 0." |
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| 03:26.27 | ugly | Any idea what's going on? (testing branch) |
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| 03:28.54 | nsadmin | I don't... but it seems the hw is ok (no temp or main bus problems, as would be indicated by memtest86 and either the bios temp monitor or properly configured lmsensors). people would want to see your boot log and your kernel version |
| 03:29.58 | ugly | this may be relevant: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13190 |
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| 03:30.23 | ugly | kernel 2.6.28-1 |
| 03:31.51 | ugly | maybe not :P |
| 03:31.57 | nsadmin | is that the whole output of uname -r? |
| 03:32.14 | Desph | Hey guys |
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| 03:32.22 | Desph | How can I tell how many files are in a directory using a shell |
| 03:33.14 | ugly | nsadmin: 2.6.28-1-686 |
| 03:33.32 | Coweater | Desph: ls|wc -l |
| 03:33.57 | babilen | ugly: I would still think it is bad RAM or some other faulty hardware causing that non maskable interrupt. Did you run all the tests memtest provides? |
| 03:33.57 | ugly | seems there's a 2.6.30 now, wonder if it would be worthwhile to upgrade |
| 03:34.27 | ugly | babilen: I ran whatever the default was - it said it ran a series of tests |
| 03:34.29 | nsadmin | since it's possible to have both kernels installed at the same time, it's definitely worth a shot |
| 03:35.07 | babilen | ugly: IIRC you can enable more tests. But try a newer kernel as well. |
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| 03:35.16 | ugly | will do |
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| 03:35.41 | babilen | Desph: ls /path/to/dir|wc -l |
| 03:35.57 | Desph | :P yep as Coweater said above |
| 03:36.05 | prince_jammys | shopt -s nullglob dotglob; f=(*); echo "${#f[@]}" #and shopt back if desired, strictly speaking |
| 03:36.08 | kingsley | After upgrading to version 4, why would emails stay in /var/spool/exim4/input/, and |
| 03:36.10 | babilen | Desph: Ah, sorry. I overlooked that. |
| 03:36.30 | kingsley | have the embedded error messages |
| 03:36.38 | Desph | I'm waiting for FTP to transfer about 1000 files so its nice to double check its making progress |
| 03:36.51 | kingsley | "SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<kingsley@127.0.0.1>:" |
| 03:36.51 | kingsley | and |
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| 03:37.11 | kingsley | "501 5.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax"? |
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| 03:37.35 | babilen | Desph: You could adjust the ls options to show all files, or use "find /path/..." |
| 03:37.48 | babilen | prince_jammys: Is that doing the same thing in a better way? |
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| 03:37.54 | Desph | babilen: it works fine as is |
| 03:37.58 | kingsley | Oops, I should have mentioned that I upgraded exim to version 4. |
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| 03:38.34 | prince_jammys | babilen: well, filenames may contain newline characters |
| 03:38.53 | jmarsden | babilen: prince_jammys was doing it using *only* the shell, the others use external programs ls and wc as well as the shell, and a classic rule of shell programming is never to parse the output of ls... |
| 03:39.15 | DogBoy | I ran into that problem recently |
| 03:39.15 | prince_jammys | so anally, that should give the correct count. (similar to ls -A|wc -l if no newlines are present in filenames) |
| 03:39.22 | PsyberPsyborg1 | anyone know anything about ISPconfig 3 |
| 03:39.45 | babilen | prince_jammys: and another alias for my .bash_alias . Thanks |
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| 03:40.57 | prince_jammys | shopt -u nullglob dotglob though, if you want globs to revert to "normal" |
| 03:41.55 | babilen | prince_jammys: I will read up on that. I rarely script in bash so I appreciate the pointer. |
| 03:42.15 | xhairball | prince_jammys: That includes directories and it doesn't handle files starting with a dot. |
| 03:43.03 | prince_jammys | shopt -s dotglob; echo ~/* |
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| 03:45.37 | prince_jammys | i didn't take "files" to mean "regular files". maybe that's what was meant |
| 03:45.51 | sway | if a file can be forked off into multiple inodes, what distinguishes files from sub-files in the form of inodes? |
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| 03:48.57 | bao_ | what's chinese name for this distribution? |
| 03:49.56 | sway | bao_: other distros have chinese names? |
| 03:49.58 | babilen | bao_: Debian |
| 03:50.18 | bao_ | debian will develop better with chinese name |
| 03:50.35 | babilen | bao_: The name is not transliterated |
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| 03:50.46 | nsadmin | bao_: why? btw, there was discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-project%40lists.debian.org/msg08073.html |
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| 03:51.58 | sway | bao_: where i live, we call confucius charlie |
| 03:52.05 | sway | or chuck |
| 03:52.31 | babilen | points to #debian-offtopic and will serve nice tea over there |
| 03:52.33 | nsadmin | I think, tho, that debian would develop just fine with or without some different name... people program, develop, debug, refactor just fine no matter what the name is |
| 03:52.50 | sway | pardon |
| 03:53.49 | nsadmin | bao_: what is it you really want? |
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| 03:55.57 | bao_ | nsadmin, what is it you really ask |
| 03:56.15 | bao_ | what do you think i want |
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| 03:57.35 | prince_jammys | ha, never seen that response. good one. |
| 03:58.21 | nsadmin | bao_: I'm not sure you're asking for what you really want. debian development will proceed just as well with or without an extra name |
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| 03:59.10 | bao_ | not an EXTRA name, a chinese name |
| 03:59.21 | nsadmin | example? |
| 03:59.31 | fender0107401 | why need chinese name? |
| 03:59.38 | nsadmin | and why would it benefit? |
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| 04:00.07 | fender0107401 | i am sure we can benefit nothing |
| 04:00.15 | bao_ | because chinese people use chinese name |
| 04:00.20 | bao_ | ? |
| 04:00.33 | fender0107401 | trust me noby care is |
| 04:00.38 | bao_ | you can benefit nothing, who are you anyway |
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| 04:00.45 | bao_ | you are nobody |
| 04:00.57 | fender0107401 | i am chninese |
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| 04:01.42 | bao_ | you are not chinese who speak chinese, so you are not that chinese |
| 04:01.47 | nsadmin | bao_: what is the problem you hope to solve? what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 04:02.02 | fender0107401 | and different name maybe confuse someone |
| 04:02.42 | bao_ | chinese people don't speak english, they speak chinese, they use chinese name, anything in china is preferrably having a chinese name |
| 04:02.52 | bao_ | is it complicated? |
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| 04:03.25 | nsadmin | what about a phonetic chinese character-based name that sounds like "debian" |
| 04:03.27 | fender0107401 | no it is easy to understand you are boring |
| 04:03.52 | mattgirv | Fender is a cool name anyway, at least they make good guitars |
| 04:03.55 | nsadmin | bao_: do you program? |
| 04:04.03 | fender0107401 | haha |
| 04:04.09 | nsadmin | but guitar doesn't make good fenders... |
| 04:04.17 | mattgirv | eh? :D |
| 04:04.21 | bao_ | NO, i do not program |
| 04:04.24 | fender0107401 | fender |
| 04:04.37 | bao_ | i program unless you dance |
| 04:04.51 | nsadmin | bao_: do you use debian? |
| 04:05.14 | bao_ | YES i do use debian. and i think you are asking irrelevant question, nsadmin |
| 04:05.21 | bao_ | objection |
| 04:05.29 | mattgirv | overruled |
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| 04:06.09 | nsadmin | you do?! even if it doesn't have a chinese name? |
| 04:06.20 | nsadmin | I'm shocked! |
| 04:06.36 | nsadmin | why is it you use debian? what attracts you? |
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| 04:06.57 | bao_ | when i mention this distro to other chinese, they have problem to pronouce 'debian' becuse it's not their language |
| 04:07.05 | bao_ | so i think debian needs a chinese name |
| 04:07.09 | bao_ | simple as that |
| 04:07.10 | mattgirv | lol |
| 04:07.28 | nsadmin | bao_: are there chinese dists? |
| 04:07.30 | bao_ | theydon't even know alphabet |
| 04:07.33 | standardstp | Is anyone who is affected by this bug on debian squeeze? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/410407 |
| 04:07.43 | bao_ | yes there is chinese dists |
| 04:07.48 | standardstp | er.. for anyone who is affected, do you have a solution |
| 04:07.52 | fender0107401 | lunch time |
| 04:07.53 | sway | all the necessary noises are present in the chinese i've heard |
| 04:08.21 | mattgirv | ive even heard a few say debian so this just cant be true |
| 04:08.23 | sway | bao_: if you get to propose a chinese name, i get to propose a pantomime that represents debian |
| 04:08.34 | bao_ | i'm a chinese who likes debian and really want to spread the good news about debian |
| 04:08.51 | fender0107401 | not every chinese guy care the name |
| 04:09.00 | nsadmin | sway: you get to propose a pantomime whether or not he proposes a name :) |
| 04:09.09 | sway | sweet |
| 04:09.10 | fender0107401 | seems normally nobody care |
| 04:09.26 | bao_ | the big problem: a phonetic chinese character-based name that sounds like "debian" , is not appropriate |
| 04:09.32 | AsmCoder8088 | I don't use Debian.. I use Mac OS X |
| 04:09.37 | bao_ | that' why i am asking an official chinese name for debian |
| 04:09.42 | AsmCoder8088 | it is far superior UNIX |
| 04:09.51 | mattgirv | standardstp: Can't say I've had that problem, running squeeze with flashplugin-nonfree+nvidia+compiz |
| 04:10.11 | sway | bao_: will you do the debian shuffle? |
| 04:10.46 | AsmCoder8088 | debian shuffle |
| 04:10.48 | nsadmin | bao_: if you want this name to represent debian as "debian" has historically, then you would have to represent "Deb" (who is Ian's wife) and "Ian" (who is the founder) |
| 04:10.48 | AsmCoder8088 | lol |
| 04:10.59 | bao_ | look, i don't /can't even pronouce a phonetic chinese character-based name that sounds like "debian", because it's tooooo appropriate |
| 04:11.02 | mattgirv | nsadmin: True enough |
| 04:11.05 | merrily | AsmCoder8088: no one cares |
| 04:11.59 | mattgirv | bao_: You don't just dump a name because you think it sounds silly, GIMP would of been out the window a long time ago otherwise |
| 04:12.02 | mattgirv | :) |
| 04:12.16 | nsadmin | but again, I refer to the link I posted earlier, and this time stating, "this issue was brought up 5 years ago" |
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| 04:13.06 | AsmCoder8088 | I had debian with bao three times in a row |
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| 04:19.06 | bao_ | what's wrong with gimp? |
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| 04:20.04 | prince_jammys | ''Gimp, a pejorative term for a person with a disability.'' |
| 04:20.12 | nsadmin | "gimp" is pejoritive slang for "crippled person" |
| 04:20.25 | prince_jammys | '' Gimp, a type of sexual submissive in [14]BDSM who may wear a [15]bondage suit'' |
| 04:20.43 | babilen_ | bao_: Why don't you just pronounce it "De-Bi-An" as in eg: å¾·ç†安? |
| 04:21.01 | babilen | point to #debian-offtopic again ;-) |
| 04:21.24 | bao_ | too long |
| 04:21.40 | bao_ | make it short |
| 04:21.47 | prince_jammys | D |
| 04:22.06 | mattgirv | lol |
| 04:22.07 | babilen | please join #debian-offtopic |
| 04:22.44 | nsadmin | d.org is probably taken already... |
| 04:23.08 | babilen | bao_: Most chinese names are 3 characters long. I don't see why that should be too short. |
| 04:23.34 | babilen | bao_: err... too long |
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| 04:25.35 | babilen | bao_: Anyway - Debian is *not* transliterated and you can pronounce it anyway you like, although I would suggest De-Bi-An instead of De-Bian as syllables. |
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| 04:27.32 | nsadmin | babilen: I have the sense he wants more cultural value in the chinese community placed on debian... probably, he has to explain much more than he wants to in order to advocate its use there |
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| 04:32.08 | iluminator101 | is an openssh server that is free that you guys suggest |
| 04:32.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | what? |
| 04:32.46 | babilen | iluminator101: What about openssh-server ? ;-) |
| 04:33.08 | babilen | iluminator101: In related news: aptitude search / apt-cache search |
| 04:33.12 | nsadmin | once more, this time do it in an arnold-swartzenegger kind of way... with feeling... |
| 04:33.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 04:33.31 | iluminator101 | ich binIch bin ein Berliner |
| 04:33.56 | babilen | iluminator101: No you are not. |
| 04:34.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | whacks iluminator101 on the bbq |
| 04:34.27 | mee | dips iluminator101 in coffeee |
| 04:34.43 | bugjar | babilen, agreed, but aptitude search doesn't help if your search terms are foofed |
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| 04:35.06 | babilen | bugjar: foofed? |
| 04:35.15 | bugjar | babilen, fouled? |
| 04:35.31 | bugjar | babilen, no doubt part of *my* problem? |
| 04:36.00 | babilen | bugjar: You can search in the descriptions of the packages (among other things) as well. |
| 04:36.36 | bugjar | babilen, yeah, but for example, `aptitude search mouse` does NOT return gpm. t'ain't case-insensitive |
| 04:36.58 | bugjar | it will if you `aptitude search Mouse` but... |
| 04:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | 15:07:05 kgoetz@epicfail:~$apt-cache search mouse |grep gpm |
| 04:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | gpm - General Purpose Mouse interface |
| 04:38.01 | bugjar | Kamping_Kaiser, exactly, "Mouse" which requires the `aptitude search Mouse` search rather than "mouse" |
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| 04:38.36 | bugjar | i havent explored (yet) regex terms |
| 04:38.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | bugjar: wouldn't know about aptitude (don't use it), but apt-cache appears to find it fine. |
| 04:39.49 | bugjar | oi! apt-cache search mouse returns 259 entries for me! that's a lot of parsing.... but I stand corrected. |
| 04:40.17 | Arrowmaster | `aptitude search Mouse` doesnt even return gpm for me |
| 04:40.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arrowmaster: yeah... we just established that ;) |
| 04:40.44 | bugjar | i wonder what xsok has to do with "mouse" |
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| 04:40.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | bugjar: yeah, its a long list. thats why i went with grep ;) |
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| 04:41.10 | bugjar | Arrowmaster, interesting... |
| 04:41.20 | Arrowmaster | Kamping_Kaiser: no bugjar was saying that 'mouse' didnt work but 'Mouse' did |
| 04:41.22 | babilen | Arrowmaster: aptitude search ~dMouse |
| 04:41.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arrowmaster: ah, sorry, i missunderstood |
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| 04:41.51 | babilen | cf: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 04:42.12 | simonrvn | Arrowmaster: it only returns names with 'mouse' in it. apt-cache searches descriptions too |
| 04:43.00 | nsadmin | I thought there was a policy about lower case names in debian... wouldn't that apply to file names? |
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| 04:44.21 | bugjar | babilen, thanks for that reference... i'll never find it again, but it's cool to see. |
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| 04:46.12 | babilen | bugjar: bookmark it, search for aptitude patterns, remember the name daniel burrows (may he be praised ;-) or ... |
| 04:46.31 | bugjar | hah |
| 04:46.37 | bugjar | chuckles |
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| 04:49.38 | prince_jammys | aptitude search aptitude-doc |
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| 04:54.07 | babilen | good night all! (or rather: good morning) |
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| 05:00.19 | simy | Hello all I'm trying to get debian on a usb thumb/flash-drive I have I cant even get grub-pc to work. what can I look at or what can I do to get this to work? or are there any good tutorials I can follow? Grub isnt starting at all! I dont see anything showing success. |
| 05:06.03 | wols | !tell simy about usb install |
| 05:06.34 | simy | wols, my problem is the USB stick isnt booting with grub-pc or grub2 |
| 05:06.43 | simy | w/e its going by now... |
| 05:08.07 | simy | ive done debootstrap allready, and a few other things I just cant get it to load grub |
| 05:08.13 | simy | does it need to be fat or somthing? |
| 05:08.33 | simy | wols, I dont want to install via USB, i want to have a bootable recovery dodat on USB :) |
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| 06:01.54 | deadcat | anyone using the apple bluetooth keyboard on unstable? it doesnt seem to work after upgrading. i have to take battery out, event hen its kinna work.... )= |
| 06:04.54 | wols | wireless keboard work really really well when you take the batteries out |
| 06:05.08 | wols | but that's to be expected if one has found a perpetuum mobile of sorts |
| 06:05.19 | Caelum | check your /var/log/messages when plugging in the keyboard and stuff |
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| 06:05.50 | deadcat | wols: as in put them back. |
| 06:06.03 | Caelum | if I have 2 routes for 0.0.0.0 pointing to the same place, but on different interfaces... which one gets used? |
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| 06:07.11 | Remmy | Hi all, I have a machine with two network cards. One network plugs into my modem/router and is assigned an IP address from the DHCP server in there. Can the other network card also be assigned a DHCP address by the same DHCP server (despite having no direct connection to it)? |
| 06:08.28 | mtnman | Remmy theoretically yes, but what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 06:08.35 | liveAndLetDie | My instinct is 'yes'. You may have to instruct your box to route traffic to the DHCP server through the first card. |
| 06:09.42 | Caelum | why do you need a physical network card for that? |
| 06:10.08 | Remmy | mtnman, well, that other network cards connect to another computer, which in the end I want to have DHCP client configured as well. So, I'm trying to install debian on that other pc, so it'll go: PC1 --> PC2 (eth0) --> PC2 (eth1) --> router |
| 06:10.29 | Remmy | Caelum: It's sunday and the only spare cable I have left is a crosslink one |
| 06:10.39 | Caelum | heh |
| 06:11.10 | Remmy | I thought perhaps installing dhcp3-relay might do the trick, but having no luck with it yet |
| 06:11.30 | liveAndLetDie | Why not router --> PC2 --> Disk --> PC1? <_< |
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| 06:11.58 | mtnman | Remmy in that scenario it is usual to have the second card on a separate network, with a separate dhcp server on it. i don't think your cable/dsl modem will want to assign you two addresses, but i could be wrong on that. |
| 06:12.13 | liveAndLetDie | Since you say 'PC', I presume they have disk drives... |
| 06:12.41 | Remmy | mtnman: You mean, set up a seperate network between the two pc's, and run dhcp server on the machine with two network cards? |
| 06:12.59 | liveAndLetDie | mtnman: Wouldn't the network cards have seperate MACs? :/ |
| 06:13.14 | Remmy | liveAndLetDie: Both have disks in them yes... but I don't think I understand what you propose. |
| 06:13.34 | izanuff | anyone know of good hosting with ssh? I am trying to set up a control panel for a game server. |
| 06:13.38 | liveAndLetDie | Just burn the ISO to a disk, and install from it. |
| 06:13.47 | Caelum | Remmy: drink a few shots and go to sleep, and buy a network cable tomorrow (err today) |
| 06:13.53 | mtnman | Remmy yeah but for only two machines i would just set up static ip addresses. |
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| 06:14.02 | Remmy | liveAndLetDie, then I still want my network working after the installation. |
| 06:14.12 | liveAndLetDie | izanuff: vpslink is dirt-cheap, but not exactly 'good'.... |
| 06:14.17 | mtnman | Remmy there is a howto floating around describing how to do what you are attempting |
| 06:14.27 | liveAndLetDie | Remmy, oic. |
| 06:15.18 | mtnman | Remmy the box with 2 network cards is running which os? |
| 06:15.29 | Remmy | mtnman, debian stable. |
| 06:16.01 | mtnman | and the second box to be connected to b0x 1's second interface? |
| 06:16.06 | izanuff | I just need a few mb for my cpanel. thats all I need |
| 06:16.16 | Remmy | mtnman, that's going to be my new debian desktop |
| 06:16.39 | mtnman | ok, well first thing is to make sure your kernel supports ip-forwarding |
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| 06:16.46 | Remmy | I have a debian testing net-install iso burned for it |
| 06:17.21 | Remmy | mtnman, thanks... I think I know how to do this... was just hoping there would be a plug-n-play solution :-) |
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| 06:17.55 | mtnman | Remmy maybe there is. i don't know it |
| 06:18.07 | Caelum | Remmy: if you're doing a netinst, why do you need both machines connected at the same time? |
| 06:18.12 | Remmy | Thanks anyways :) |
| 06:18.28 | liveAndLetDie | izanuff: Don't know if it fits your purposes, but: http://vpslink.com/ |
| 06:18.37 | Remmy | Caelum, I can indeed switch the cables around, but in the future I want both online at the same time too |
| 06:19.06 | Remmy | One is the server which receives my mail etc., the other will be my desktop. |
| 06:19.34 | izanuff | the liveandletdie sorry i missed it the first time you posted it |
| 06:19.37 | izanuff | thanks* |
| 06:19.52 | liveAndLetDie | Check it out. See if you like it. |
| 06:20.13 | mtnman | Remmy its really not too complicated. you just need to turn on ip forwarding on box1 then i would set a static ip address in a private range on box1's second interface... |
| 06:20.18 | liveAndLetDie | Please note, I've experienced some downtime with them, and they delete some coreutils (nslookup, less, etc.). |
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| 06:20.45 | liveAndLetDie | If it fits your purposes though, I think they have a refferal program w/ discount... |
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| 06:21.07 | izanuff | how "bad" are they? |
| 06:21.39 | liveAndLetDie | If your not doing something professionally? |
| 06:21.43 | Remmy | mtnman, I think I'll do that. Thanks. |
| 06:21.58 | liveAndLetDie | Not too bad... but, for $8/month, you get what you pay for... |
| 06:22.09 | liveAndLetDie | :P |
| 06:22.37 | mtnman | Remmy if you set a static address on box2 then you don't have to worry about dhcp servers |
| 06:23.00 | izanuff | nah. im only running a control panel that requies ssh extension to work with my gaming communities server box |
| 06:23.02 | mtnman | was told many years ago that you get what you pay for... or less. |
| 06:23.17 | Remmy | mtnman, I know... I thought it would be easier to have DHCP |
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| 06:24.02 | mtnman | Remmy its pretty easy to set up dhcp, but for only 2 boxes its kind of a waste of time/energy imho. |
| 06:24.49 | mtnman | dhcp is more convenient if you add/remove machines from your network often. |
| 06:25.06 | liveAndLetDie | izanuff: Okay, I'll investigate that referral thing, then... |
| 06:25.37 | Remmy | Okies, clear :) |
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| 06:28.23 | izanuff | ty |
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| 06:58.46 | thianpa | hi, whats a good rar program for Linux ? for GUI |
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| 07:06.21 | nsadmin | thianpa what's wrong with cli? you should consider learning it anyway; it has a lot of expressive power that is just not available in any gui app I've seen (other than smalltalk). |
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| 07:06.48 | nsadmin | in any case just use rar |
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| 07:11.36 | thianpa | ok. nsadmin. I'm willing to learn a lot. Actually, I'm a noob. |
| 07:11.45 | thianpa | and also, another question. :) |
| 07:12.01 | thianpa | I have setup the LAMP as far as i know in my dedi |
| 07:12.09 | thianpa | dont need mysql right now. |
| 07:12.28 | thianpa | SO I want to browse using one of my account which is thianpa. |
| 07:12.44 | thianpa | So I just put a test.php |
| 07:12.54 | thianpa | in a /test/test.php |
| 07:13.03 | thianpa | I dont even know how to browse that. |
| 07:13.20 | thianpa | when i entered the dedicated ip. I'm getting "It works" |
| 07:13.29 | thianpa | so seems the installation is working |
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| 07:14.47 | Morpheuss | thianpa, by default the index page of apache will be shown |
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| 07:15.24 | thianpa | Morpheuss , so what will be the url of the account thianpa |
| 07:15.37 | Morpheuss | so you need to give correct path like http://localhost(ip_address)/test/test.php |
| 07:15.47 | thianpa | my.ip/thianpa/ ? |
| 07:16.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | where is /test/test.php located? |
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| 07:17.34 | thianpa | thianpa's Home / test / test.php |
| 07:18.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'd suggest enabling userdirs (a2enmod userdir) and moving test into ~/public_html/test |
| 07:18.25 | thianpa | ok can you please tell me how? |
| 07:18.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | er... I just did. |
| 07:18.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | < Kamping_Kaiser> I'd suggest enabling userdirs (a2enmod userdir) |
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| 07:21.28 | psiklops | i have a scsi hdd, on it i would like like to compile kernels... is there a specific FS that i should/could do such job with? |
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| 07:22.51 | psiklops | or is the FS not essential? |
| 07:24.15 | cahoot | you won't consider vfat/ntfs I suppose |
| 07:24.22 | psiklops | :) |
| 07:24.30 | psiklops | i was thinkin about using xfs |
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| 07:25.10 | thianpa | so userdirs means 'thianpa' ? |
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| 07:29.55 | Arrowmaster | psiklops: as long as you use something that can handle the file permissions it should be fine |
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| 07:30.24 | psiklops | Arrowmaster: thanx |
| 07:31.12 | thianpa | ok just enabled the userdir |
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| 07:33.25 | derferman | Is there anyway to install python 2.6 on lenny? |
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| 07:33.55 | jelly-home | derferman: uh, install from source into a separate tree in /usr/local or /opt? |
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| 07:34.08 | derferman | ok, cool, thanks |
| 07:34.08 | krion | hi |
| 07:34.21 | krion | is there wifi/radiosignal specialist around here ? |
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| 07:34.49 | krion | is it normal than in the capture in this page, the frequency for 802.11b is not exactly the same ? |
| 07:34.54 | krion | http://www.freenews.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=759368 |
| 07:35.04 | thianpa | bbl |
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| 07:43.47 | nsgn | i've got debian in a vmware VM. i have the need to expand a secondary virtual disk attached to this debian VM. i can do this easily in vmware but I'm not getting results in google on how to expand the ext2 filesystem on this drive to take advantage of the new space |
| 07:44.12 | nsgn | i don't believe i'm doing any partitioning on this disk. i think i just slapped ext2 right on the disk since it is secondary |
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| 07:58.13 | joza | Hello, debian write on lcd "Out of range" pls help. |
| 07:58.21 | joza | im cz. |
| 07:58.56 | med\weeds | !dpkg video | joza |
| 07:59.12 | med\weeds | joza: ask dpkg about nvidia|ati|intel etc |
| 07:59.32 | med\weeds | or state os version specific/hardware plz |
| 07:59.42 | joza | ok mmnt |
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| 08:02.03 | rburn | hey ppl, anyone knows when will there be a Debian Lenny 5.0.4 release? |
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| 08:03.07 | rburn | or if one will be made? |
| 08:04.03 | med\weeds | rburn: what does google say? |
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| 08:04.25 | med\weeds | joza: keep pm in channel please |
| 08:04.41 | med\weeds | and if you need more than 2-3 lines lets use pastebin or #flood ok? |
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| 08:05.04 | med\weeds | if your having trouble getting data out of the computer, try putting into single user mode, or going to ctrl+alt+f1-6 |
| 08:05.29 | med\weeds | see if you can get a tty to still show video where you can do helpful things like lspci -vvv |
| 08:05.49 | med\weeds | if not i'll attempt to walk you through single user mode, and edit xorg |
| 08:05.51 | med\weeds | etc |
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| 08:12.50 | med\weeds | and this is #debian not #opensuse or w/e |
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| 08:13.04 | med\weeds | alternatively ##linux may also be a good place - |
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| 08:17.59 | rojak | when i run "aptitude safe-upgrade" it list down what will be upgraded, but it do not show what is new & replacement version number. i m newbie, pls advise. |
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| 08:31.19 | dms | i've just installed compiz on my Lenny laptop. The fusion-icon is installed, but I can't see where to enable/disable plugins. How can I turn off wobbly windows? |
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| 08:33.43 | izanuff | im looking for a shared hosting with ssh for a control panel... |
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| 08:45.18 | nkuttler | izanuff: hm? ssl? |
| 08:45.41 | izanuff | shell |
| 08:46.06 | nkuttler | ah. control panel usually means web based |
| 08:49.05 | nkuttler | izanuff: i think you want a vps |
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| 08:49.05 | izanuff | but then I still gotta install everything |
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| 08:49.05 | izanuff | my panel only takes up 6mb |
| 08:49.05 | nkuttler | define "everyting" |
| 08:49.05 | izanuff | mysql phpmyadmin cpanel(or equiv) apache and all |
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| 08:49.05 | nkuttler | well, this is #debian. cpanel (or equiv) aren't really supported here. I heard that there vps with panels though. |
| 08:49.05 | nkuttler | there are |
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| 09:03.15 | Dominique | !hi |
| 09:03.15 | dpkg | hello, dominique |
| 09:03.22 | Dominique | Hi! I see that Debian does not share my internet connection equally between applications... how do I make it do that? |
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| 09:03.59 | Rhap | s.a |
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| 09:12.26 | Newbie16 | Dominique: share between applications? can't one access the internet? |
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| 09:16.30 | aaronwi | which distro should i use on a laptop,...specifically hp dv5t...gona mainly be used for school...internet and research./notetaking |
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| 09:26.46 | mnuhmnuh | aaronwi: i've hp dv5. AM proc. I'd go with the bleeding-less edge distro you can find. Sidux? |
| 09:27.20 | mnuhmnuh | s/AM/AMD/ |
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| 09:31.23 | cr3rzemjest | is it safe to upgrade from testing to stable? |
| 09:31.44 | cr3rzemjest | i mean the opposite :P from stable to testing |
| 09:33.31 | aaronwi | bleeding-less? |
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| 09:33.54 | aaronwi | i have a core2duo 2.0ghz and 2gb ram |
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| 09:37.08 | caraconan | Hi. Some software to pass data (not sync contacts,mails...) from pda (HTC P3300 premium) to debian via usb wire? |
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| 09:37.08 | caraconan | I haven't card reader yet... |
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| 09:39.35 | cr3rzemjest | so how do i upgrade? change "lenny" to "testing" in sources.list? run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:41.21 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: /msg dpkg testing, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 09:41.36 | aaronwi | so i have lenny 5.0.0, should I download a new disk, or will the update program update everything for me? |
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| 09:42.57 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: since you don't seem to be familiar with Debian upgrade procedures, it might not be a great idea to use testing. |
| 09:43.16 | cr3rzemjest | testing, i mean squeeze |
| 09:43.30 | cr3rzemjest | it seems to be simple as dpkg says |
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| 09:44.19 | jelly-home | the first factoid doesn't make it sounds simple at all |
| 09:44.30 | jelly-home | !testing |
| 09:44.30 | dpkg | testing is probably a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 09:44.54 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: do you have "a sound knowledge of Debian packaging"? |
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| 09:45.19 | cr3rzemjest | um, what? :P |
| 09:45.39 | simonrvn | how do you start up a kernel thread that crashed? |
| 09:46.07 | cr3rzemjest | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 09:46.15 | cr3rzemjest | :( |
| 09:46.23 | simonrvn | kswapd segfaulted ... |
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| 09:46.50 | cr3rzemjest | "Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade" doesn't look complicated to me |
| 09:46.56 | simonrvn | tried turning off the available swap, but that didn't spawn a new one |
| 09:47.12 | simonrvn | (after turning it back on) |
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| 09:47.36 | cr3rzemjest | what will happen when Debian runs out of names from Toy Story? |
| 09:47.40 | jelly-home | simonrvn: with a reboot? |
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| 09:47.52 | simonrvn | jelly-home: short of that |
| 09:48.17 | simonrvn | (i'm suspecting, nothing TBF) |
| 09:48.49 | jelly-home | simonrvn: if it were modularized functionality, rmmod/modprobe. However I suspect swap isn't. |
| 09:49.10 | simonrvn | it isn't. it's all or nothing thing. |
| 09:49.19 | simonrvn | an all* |
| 09:49.24 | jelly-home | then you already have the answer |
| 09:49.53 | aaronwi | is stable lenny ok with ich9m-e/m and the wifi card broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN 4315 BCM94312MCG? |
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| 09:50.40 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 09:51.01 | aaronwi | at least is it ok with ich9m? |
| 09:52.06 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: fixing any/all breakage that will happen during the upgrade may be complicated, which is where knowledge of how to fix dependency conflicts and install script barfs comes in useful |
| 09:52.25 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ps auxw | grep kswap > exit 1 (wah!) |
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| 09:52.37 | jelly-home | simonrvn: serves you right for testing fresh kernels! |
| 09:53.01 | simonrvn | it's the stable one! fuckin' bullshit :(. |
| 09:53.24 | simonrvn | !+kernel |
| 09:53.27 | dpkg | No, I won't harass the entire channel. |
| 09:53.38 | simonrvn | oh poo. it's 1 line |
| 09:53.39 | jelly-home | um, serves you right for using super-old distro kernels instead of vanilla upstream? |
| 09:53.54 | jelly-home | hides |
| 09:53.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | larts jelly-home |
| 09:54.12 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sorry, it is vanilla upstream. what they call 'stable' |
| 09:54.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:54.27 | jelly-home | so my first guess was correct |
| 09:54.34 | simonrvn | it was |
| 09:55.12 | simonrvn | stupid thing is i just booted the thing to that kernel. |
| 09:55.49 | jelly-home | which one of the _five_ stable versions from http://kernel.org/ are we talking about? |
| 09:56.08 | simonrvn | 2.6.31.5 |
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| 09:56.58 | jelly-home | 2.4.37.7 is newer and has most of the numbers larger! |
| 09:57.17 | simonrvn | Unable to handle kernel paging request for data at address 0x00000000 Faulting instruction address: 0xc00e6760 Oops: Kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1] ... ... TASK = d7952940[123] 'kswapd0' THREAD: d7958000 |
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| 09:57.29 | simonrvn | *eyeroll* |
| 09:58.40 | simonrvn | (btw, it's not you, i'm just ticked and tired) |
| 09:58.47 | thianpaa | hi, so I have setup Apache and php. and enabled userdir |
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| 09:58.57 | thianpaa | How do i put my files in it? |
| 09:59.05 | thianpaa | I have this user 'thianpa' |
| 09:59.29 | thianpaa | I'm logging in as thianpa in NX but i can even put some php files in /www |
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| 09:59.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | thianpaa: the point of userdirs is that you can put files in public_html |
| 09:59.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | in your home directory |
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| 10:00.50 | thianpaa | oh ok |
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| 10:04.53 | erik__ | i can't get X configured correctly due to"01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)"i my guess...suggestions? |
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| 10:07.37 | wols | !tell erik__ about unichrome |
| 10:07.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | thianpa: keep itt in channel. |
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| 10:08.59 | med\weeds | simonrvn: nice dpkg command lol |
| 10:10.03 | thianpa | ok. So I should make a public_html in my thianpa's Home dir |
| 10:10.10 | med\weeds | and Kamping_Kaiser wouldnt document_root have been a good thing for thianpa to have checked out a bit? Would apply more generally, and in this specific case directly? |
| 10:10.58 | thianpa | What i just want to do is make a web server for the account thianpa |
| 10:11.27 | thianpa | so i can access it like My.ip/thianpa/index.php etc..etc.. |
| 10:11.29 | med\weeds | apache/lighttpd/squid/php? with what componants? |
| 10:11.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | med\weeds: shrug. |
| 10:11.55 | med\weeds | Kamping_Kaiser: less work the second time ;) |
| 10:12.06 | thianpa | i dont even need mysql just php :) |
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| 10:13.15 | med\weeds | thianpa: uname -srvmpi ? |
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| 10:13.54 | thianpa | what does that do? |
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| 10:14.15 | izanuff | i have installed apache2 mysql php5 phpmyadmin... everythign works except for phpmyadmin |
| 10:14.18 | thianpa | try telling as if you trying to teach a monkey |
| 10:14.19 | thianpa | lol |
| 10:14.20 | med\weeds | and for pastebin: dpkg -l|grep ii|grep -i -e apache -e lightt -e php |
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| 10:14.35 | jelly-home | thianpa: the url will be http://hostname/~thianpa/ by default |
| 10:14.44 | med\weeds | thianpa: thats for checking kernel version, release, arch |
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| 10:14.45 | simonrvn_ | thianpa: it's uname, it won't break anything. try it |
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| 10:14.57 | med\weeds | jelly-home: knows some shit |
| 10:14.59 | Perhaps | Hi, anyone know how I can install openssh-server without the x11 dependencies? |
| 10:14.59 | med\weeds | backs off |
| 10:15.16 | med\weeds | !dpkg ssh |
| 10:15.17 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>. |
| 10:15.43 | Perhaps | hrmm |
| 10:15.46 | thianpa | lol.. that was it |
| 10:15.53 | thianpa | i didnt add ~ |
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| 10:16.10 | med\weeds | Perhaps: i recommend also ca-certificates and the blacklist packages - try " apt-cache search blacklist ssh " then replace ssh with ssl the second time |
| 10:16.21 | med\weeds | thianpa: nice! |
| 10:16.26 | Perhaps | aptitude install ssh also want to install all kinds of x11 depends |
| 10:16.37 | hark | Perhaps: aptitude install openssh-server -R |
| 10:16.40 | med\weeds | Perhaps i usually do something like um |
| 10:16.42 | med\weeds | gimme sec |
| 10:16.42 | Perhaps | I don't remember ever having this problem before |
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| 10:16.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Perhaps: such as? |
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| 10:16.59 | med\weeds | gotta login my debian box |
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| 10:17.14 | Perhaps | I don't remember openssh-server ever wanting to install x libraries |
| 10:17.18 | hark | Perhaps: it's probably brought in by xauth which is a recommends |
| 10:17.19 | thianpa | thanks a lot for the help guys. |
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| 10:17.26 | thianpa | and also I have run the uname |
| 10:17.33 | med\weeds | apt-get install ssh openssl-blacklist openssl-blacklist-extra openssh-blacklist openssh-blacklist-extra ca-certificates |
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| 10:17.37 | thianpa | dont know what that does tough |
| 10:17.46 | med\weeds | that pulls in blacklists, and ensures your local certs are decent |
| 10:18.04 | med\weeds | it can break old certs on a pre-existing upgraded install, however the broken ones were already "broken" |
| 10:18.16 | med\weeds | or likely insecure |
| 10:18.49 | med\weeds | thianpa: check it out here's uname -a [a == all] |
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| 10:18.54 | med\weeds | Linux txbx.thruhere.net 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3 #1 SMP Sun May 10 18:54:51 MSD 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 10:19.00 | med\weeds | see? |
| 10:19.01 | thianpa | ok thanks |
| 10:19.11 | Perhaps | what are these blacklists? |
| 10:19.37 | thianpa | Linux ks304620.kimsufi.com 2.6.31.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 #2 SMP Thu Nov 5 12:35:58 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:19.40 | thianpa | :P |
| 10:19.43 | med\weeds | this is a linux box, called txbx on thruhere.net running 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5.028stab062.3 #1 SMP kernel and 32bit |
| 10:20.21 | med\weeds | thianpa: ok so 32bit kernel with a grsec patchset |
| 10:20.31 | med\weeds | above my paygrade to support grsec :P |
| 10:20.38 | med\weeds | [meaning i dunno] |
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| 10:20.45 | thianpa | lol |
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| 10:20.52 | med\weeds | but anyway the rest of its fine |
| 10:21.02 | med\weeds | and we dont really need any of that information now that you found its up and running correctly |
| 10:21.08 | thianpa | well I'm getting the hang of it right now |
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| 10:21.30 | med\weeds | also i recommend a few packages: htop/bwm-ng/dnsutils/nmap on every server for sure |
| 10:21.39 | med\weeds | thianpa: feels good huh ;) |
| 10:21.56 | med\weeds | now make some firewall rules or add an authentication routine + ssl cert :> |
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| 10:24.22 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a kde 3.5.10 repository that is kept up to date against sid? |
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| 10:34.01 | izanuff | i could use some help with this |
| 10:34.02 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d382923a8 |
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| 10:35.40 | Muhammad | izanuff, have you remove mysql-common package ? |
| 10:35.52 | izanuff | not that i know of |
| 10:36.01 | izanuff | where can i check |
| 10:36.14 | Muhammad | izanuff, dpkg -l | grep mysql-common |
| 10:36.57 | Muhammad | you should found of the first column of left ii symbol , which indicates that the package is already installed |
| 10:37.11 | izanuff | ii mysql-common 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 MySQL dat |
| 10:37.40 | izanuff | what does this mean |
| 10:37.45 | jcm | hi, I get periodically a kernel panic not syncing on my new box running debian lenny with openvz, raid5 soft + LVM. See http://jcmichel.free.fr/kernel_panic.jpg Did I miss some bios settings ? what can I try to solve this ? |
| 10:37.49 | izanuff | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 10:37.51 | izanuff | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 10:38.14 | Muhammad | izanuff, you have to pkg manager already working together |
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| 10:38.25 | izanuff | so how do i stop it |
| 10:38.28 | Muhammad | like synaptic , along with apt-get for ex |
| 10:38.37 | izanuff | i bet its the mysql error from earlier.. trying to install mysql-server |
| 10:38.41 | Muhammad | close one of them |
| 10:38.56 | izanuff | k lemme google that |
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| 10:39.47 | izanuff | other than reboot i have no idea how to close a process |
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| 10:40.35 | Muhammad | izanuff, try reinstalling again |
| 10:40.42 | izanuff | the os? |
| 10:40.45 | Muhammad | apt-get --purge remove mysql-server mysql-common |
| 10:41.02 | Muhammad | and then apt-get install mysql-server , to get a clean setup |
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| 10:41.03 | izanuff | i cant |
| 10:41.08 | izanuff | i get the process error |
| 10:41.20 | Muhammad | close synaptic if you opened it |
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| 10:41.37 | izanuff | nope |
| 10:42.19 | izanuff | dont use synaptic |
| 10:42.42 | Muhammad | you're using apt-get then ? |
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| 10:43.36 | izanuff | yea |
| 10:44.07 | Muhammad | then killall apt-get session to get over that error |
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| 10:45.50 | izanuff | says no process killed and still gives error when i try to purge or do anything |
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| 10:46.24 | izanuff | should i just reboot? |
| 10:46.54 | Muhammad | izanuff, just another sol try remove rm rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
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| 10:47.07 | Muhammad | sorry for doubling rm it's just one |
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| 10:48.28 | izanuff | k i found out dpkg was running |
| 10:48.31 | izanuff | i killed it but now |
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| 10:48.42 | izanuff | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 10:49.16 | massmc | wow, finally formatted a drive with seperate /home partitions.. 3 cheers for massmc everyone.. hip hip |
| 10:49.17 | izanuff | k ima pastebin something |
| 10:49.19 | Muhammad | the solution in that message , simply dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:49.23 | izanuff | i did that |
| 10:49.57 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/m29a356ea |
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| 10:50.12 | massmc | and I have named my machine appropriately to "wogcock" |
| 10:50.18 | massmc | hip hip |
| 10:50.42 | nkuttler | izanuff: ps auxw | grep dpkg |
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| 10:51.42 | Newbie16 | hi |
| 10:51.45 | izanuff | lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst configure 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 |
| 10:52.08 | nkuttler | izanuff: please pastebin the whole output |
| 10:52.15 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/m6276a4e2 |
| 10:52.19 | Newbie16 | where can i get a netinstaller that'll use grub1 rather than grub2, my system has issues with grub2 |
| 10:52.50 | nkuttler | izanuff: and you killed dpkg earlier, right? it's not running on a different terminal? |
| 10:53.04 | izanuff | i only got 1 terminal open |
| 10:53.15 | Newbie16 | is there a netinstaller for testing that doesn't use grub2? |
| 10:53.24 | nkuttler | izanuff: then kill -15 2743 |
| 10:53.28 | izanuff | i shutdown the other because it had no prompt |
| 10:54.44 | izanuff | ok so i killed that and then tried to remove myswl-server again and back to square one with the error and its hung now |
| 10:55.01 | nkuttler | izanuff: is the debconf process gone? |
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| 10:55.42 | pythonic | why are there more people in #ubuntu than in #debian? |
| 10:55.54 | nkuttler | because they need more help? |
| 10:56.01 | pythonic | is debian dying? |
| 10:56.10 | pythonic | has netcraft confirmed it? |
| 10:56.15 | izanuff | yes it is now |
| 10:56.20 | izanuff | do i try again? |
| 10:56.28 | nkuttler | izanuff: try what? |
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| 10:56.38 | izanuff | to remove mysql-server |
| 10:56.51 | pythonic | yes please |
| 10:56.54 | pythonic | upgrade to postgresql |
| 10:56.54 | nkuttler | izanuff: don't say "remove foo", say which command you want to type |
| 10:57.14 | izanuff | apt-get remove mysql-serv mysql-client |
| 10:57.24 | pythonic | apt-get install postgresql |
| 10:57.32 | nkuttler | izanuff: go ahead |
| 10:57.41 | themill | pythonic: if you don't have something constructive to say, please either /part or be silent |
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| 10:58.04 | pythonic | themill: oh, part now or forever hold your peace, eh? |
| 10:58.16 | izanuff | argh |
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| 10:58.18 | wols | izanuff: you still have some debconf running elsewhere |
| 10:58.31 | izanuff | can i reboot and solve this? |
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| 10:58.41 | nkuttler | izanuff: this isn't windows |
| 10:58.50 | wols | not necessarily |
| 10:59.01 | izanuff | just asking |
| 10:59.09 | Newbie16 | Has anyone here faced this error with grub2 and resolved it? error: cannot get C/H/S values |
| 10:59.09 | nkuttler | izanuff: you most likely get the same error as before, and the fix is still the same |
| 10:59.18 | wols | you can check what locks your debconf file(s). the error emssage you pastebined is your clue. read it more carefully |
| 10:59.20 | izanuff | yes i keep getting same error |
| 10:59.23 | izanuff | and tells me to dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:59.39 | Newbie16 | i haven't been able to get any solutions to it |
| 10:59.46 | wols | that dpkg command gives you an error. read it more carefully |
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| 11:00.00 | wols | Newbie16: what command do you try to run? |
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| 11:00.01 | izanuff | then it gives me invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. and doesnt give me a cursor again |
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| 11:00.29 | wols | izanuff: lets make a deal: you ignore what I tell you, I ignore you totally from now on. have a good day |
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| 11:00.42 | Newbie16 | wols: i moved my working hdd with the os and grub2 to another laptop on which it gives that error |
| 11:00.55 | wols | Newbie16: read my question again |
| 11:00.58 | izanuff | im trying to find out what else is running |
| 11:01.25 | bao__ | is there chinese channel for debian |
| 11:01.30 | nkuttler | !tell izanuff about errors |
| 11:01.33 | nkuttler | !zh |
| 11:01.33 | dpkg | hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 11:01.33 | wols | !cn |
| 11:01.35 | pythonic | C/H/S is so 90s |
| 11:01.35 | dpkg | i guess cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 11:01.50 | wols | pythonic: but needed for BIOS |
| 11:01.59 | Newbie16 | wols: oh, no command, i start the pc, it says Loading Grub, Entering reascue mode... error: cannot get C/H/S values then i get a prompt: grub rescue> |
| 11:02.09 | wols | Newbie16: reinstall grub then |
| 11:02.33 | Newbie16 | wols: but it works fine on the other laptop, which is what confuses me |
| 11:02.46 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d3112021e |
| 11:02.52 | izanuff | thats all thats running |
| 11:03.45 | Newbie16 | wols: i would get it if the os didn't boot because it was going from amd x2 to intel c2d but thats about it |
| 11:04.03 | wols | Newbie16: debian is not windows. what version of debian btw? |
| 11:04.21 | Newbie16 | well i netinstalled testing, then onto sid |
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| 11:04.28 | Newbie16 | but the testing installer came with grub2 |
| 11:04.39 | nkuttler | izanuff: that's not an error. anyway, check if debconf is running. if file still locked use something like lsof. |
| 11:04.42 | wols | as I said: reinstall grub |
| 11:04.43 | izanuff | wols: how do I find out if I still have debconf running |
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| 11:05.47 | izanuff | i dont know how to check whats running |
| 11:06.18 | Newbie16 | wols: well i did it once, on the amd laptop i decided to move to grub-legacy but it didn't create a menulist and grub-install failed so i reinstalled grub, but it works fine on that laptop |
| 11:06.53 | nkuttler | izanuff: ps |
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| 11:07.31 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/m2e6f8f74 |
| 11:08.32 | Newbie16 | wols: i found a patch, i'll try it [PATCH] gracefully ignore inability to retrieve C/H/S on LBA disks |
| 11:08.47 | nkuttler | izanuff: ... do you remember the ps command i gave you earlier? also, man ps |
| 11:08.55 | izanuff | yes i have it |
| 11:09.16 | izanuff | ps auxw | grep dpkg |
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| 11:09.27 | nkuttler | izanuff: right. do you know what that did? |
| 11:10.18 | izanuff | showed processes for dpkg? |
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| 11:14.48 | izanuff | i only have bash and ps running |
| 11:16.18 | themill | izanuff: no, that's just what is running in that terminal. pastebin "ps auxwf" |
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| 11:16.58 | groton | when i connect an usb key, vlc startsup and try to run any video on it. How to disable this from happening? |
| 11:17.10 | Newbie16 | when i apt-get source a package, does dpkg get the original source and also patch it with the latest debian packages? |
| 11:17.11 | groton | i am using squeeze |
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| 11:17.40 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/m15f75252 |
| 11:17.51 | izanuff | im guessing close 3640 and 3641 ? |
| 11:17.55 | themill | Newbie16: it gets the upstream source and debian patches for the newest version available from the deb-src lines in your sources.list |
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| 11:20.57 | Newbie16 | themill: but it creates a folder and extracts the source, but does it also apply the patches? |
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| 11:21.45 | izanuff | all this trouble for what some webpage makes out to be a simple install |
| 11:21.55 | izanuff | and i manage to screw it all up |
| 11:22.18 | themill | Newbie16: it applies the diff.gz which might directly apply patches or may keep them in a debian/patches/ directory with a debian/README.source to tell you how to use them. |
| 11:22.42 | Newbie16 | oh |
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| 11:23.01 | themill | Newbie16: "lsdiff -z *.dif.gz" is useful to see what it's doing. (lsdiff is in patchutils) |
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| 11:23.32 | themill | (lsdiff -z *.diff.gz, obviously) |
| 11:23.45 | imimimiim | hi, i need to modify the dhclient call on boot to add the "-1" parameter (only one connection will be attempted). does anyone know which script calls dhclient? |
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| 11:27.00 | izanuff | I keep getting this.. E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 11:27.37 | izanuff | when I manually run dpkg --configure -a it starts my list of errors again |
| 11:28.03 | nkuttler | izanuff: pastebin |
| 11:28.08 | themill | izanuff: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -f install" |
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| 11:28.47 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d15da1c50 |
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| 11:29.49 | themill | izanuff: I never did see why you removed the files from /etc/mysql/ |
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| 11:30.02 | izanuff | i didnt know i did |
| 11:30.46 | rahit | how can i use my s/pdif i don't have a sound from spdif, i'm using alsa latest and debian lenny, i have sound blaster x-fi ? |
| 11:30.50 | rahit | who can help, pls |
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| 11:31.01 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d1de1214d |
| 11:31.54 | imimimiim | is there any file that calls dhclient on boot, where i can change the options used to load it? |
| 11:32.28 | izanuff | i think its fixed |
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| 11:32.45 | themill | izanuff: OK, good start. Now can you pastebin the output of "aptitude purge mysql-common" (that will probably try to remove some other packages on you, it the list isn't too big, let's just do it) |
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| 11:33.57 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d21e511f4 |
| 11:34.09 | izanuff | im trying to write all of these cmds down so i can go back and learn about them haha |
| 11:34.15 | izanuff | sorry if im a little slow |
| 11:34.59 | themill | izanuff: you're also missing standard files from /etc/apache2 ;( |
| 11:35.35 | izanuff | wow im good at messing stuff up |
| 11:35.44 | rahit | how can i install the last kernel from kernel.org on debian lenny 5.0.3 ? |
| 11:35.54 | izanuff | themill: so umm.... any ideas? |
| 11:36.10 | themill | izanuff: have you been monkeying about with webmin to configure these things? |
| 11:36.19 | izanuff | yes |
| 11:36.38 | themill | izanuff: we can probably blame webmin then. Seriously... don't use it. Learn to do things properly. |
| 11:36.42 | themill | !webmin |
| 11:36.42 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 11:36.59 | izanuff | ahhh |
| 11:37.00 | izanuff | ok |
| 11:37.08 | izanuff | so how "phucked" am i? |
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| 11:38.00 | themill | izanuff: let's start by cleaning up apache2.2-common as well: "aptitude purge apache2.2-common" |
| 11:38.01 | JosefAssad | erm. |
| 11:38.20 | izanuff | themill: ok. done |
| 11:39.02 | JosefAssad | I'm trying to make a ssh passwordless logon. I copy the id_rsa.pub from the client to the server and >> it to .ssh/authorized_keys and that should be it, no? |
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| 11:39.26 | dimir | morgur |
| 11:39.32 | dimir | morgür |
| 11:39.38 | nkuttler | JosefAssad: check your auth.log |
| 11:39.39 | dimir | borgür even |
| 11:39.46 | JosefAssad | nkuttler: ah. Good idea |
| 11:40.07 | themill | izanuff: then "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server-5.0 phpmyadmin" should install just about everything you wanted. |
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| 11:41.16 | themill | JosefAssad: it's probably a permissions problem on ~/, ~/.ssh or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. (debian provides an ssh-copy-id utility that does the copying across and permissions checking for you automatically, btw) |
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| 11:41.55 | JosefAssad | nkuttler: good idea indeed. I'm shit out of luck but I know what the problem is now. |
| 11:41.55 | JosefAssad | themill: not quite. Public key [REDACTED] blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)) |
| 11:42.37 | themill | JosefAssad: ahh... the machine that you're using to generate the keys still has not been patched against DSA1571 (that was 18 months ago...) |
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| 11:44.08 | JosefAssad | themill: worse, it's an eeepc. Asus isn't forthcoming with updates |
| 11:44.16 | themill | you what!? |
| 11:44.51 | themill | JosefAssad: you can generate the key on another non-vulnerable machine and copy it over still. |
| 11:44.53 | izanuff | now io get this http://pastebin.com/d67ab716d |
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| 11:45.13 | JosefAssad | themill: ah, that's a good idea |
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| 11:45.50 | themill | izanuff: grr... you need to "aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0" as well and then retry that last command. |
| 11:46.03 | izanuff | sorry did i miss that earlier :/ |
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| 11:46.22 | JosefAssad | themill: so, I generate on the server, >> the id_dsa.pub to the server's authorized_keys, and move the private key to the eeepc. Does that sound right? |
| 11:46.40 | themill | izanuff: not your fault -- I didn't realise that /etc/mysql/debian-start was in the server package not in the common package. |
| 11:46.53 | themill | JosefAssad: yeah, but use RSA keys not DSA keys |
| 11:47.03 | JosefAssad | themill: okie dokie. Thanks! |
| 11:47.18 | JosefAssad | lord, the pain of setting up an eeepc backup server... *sigh* |
| 11:47.28 | izanuff | it prompts me if i wanna "Remove all MYSQL Databases" YES or NO? |
| 11:47.40 | themill | rahit: please keep it in the channel so that when I go afk (like right now...) someone will still help you. |
| 11:47.50 | themill | izanuff: presumably no. |
| 11:48.00 | izanuff | well i have nothing in there |
| 11:48.08 | izanuff | so i wasnt sure if it mattered |
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| 11:49.09 | JosefAssad | ah, worked. Thanks again themill |
| 11:49.41 | rahit | how can i install the last kernel from kernel.org on debian lenny 5.0.3 ? |
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| 11:50.38 | HackeMate | gnome has a terminal server client, it allows VNC protocol, but i have it disabled, how can i enable it? what package i need |
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| 11:51.11 | izanuff | so now i still need to install apache2 correct? it wasnt in that line |
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| 11:52.47 | izanuff | themill: i got this when I tried restarting the apache server |
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| 11:54.00 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/d4bf926ca |
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| 11:56.09 | nkuttler | izanuff: pastebin your /etc/hosts |
| 11:57.13 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/dd1ae23a |
| 11:58.19 | rahit | !dpkg kp-mantra |
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| 11:58.19 | dpkg | [kp mantra] make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 11:58.40 | nkuttler | izanuff: actually, is the webserver running? |
| 11:58.57 | izanuff | should be |
| 11:59.14 | nkuttler | looks like some hostname misconfiguration |
| 11:59.16 | izanuff | says apache is running |
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| 11:59.32 | izanuff | it worked earlier until i was trying to install phpmyadmin |
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| 12:00.45 | izanuff | i have no idea what the hostname config should be though |
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| 12:03.45 | izanuff | nkuttler: any ideas? |
| 12:03.52 | Mark21 | Hello, is there a way so I could see what is using RAM on my system (and how much it is using)? |
| 12:05.38 | nkuttler | izanuff: fix your apache config |
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| 12:05.45 | dutchfish | Mark21, depends abit there several ways; cat /proc/meminfo ; ps auxww |
| 12:06.25 | dutchfish | Mark21, some find top and htop usefull |
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| 12:06.34 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 12:07.32 | kjoonlee | If I've told debconf that my hardware clock is set to UTC (when it isn't) or vice versa, which package do I dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 12:07.47 | izanuff | i never read anything about an apache config. any info on where i could find a tut on it.. i googled but didnt come up with much |
| 12:07.55 | Mark21 | dutchfish: it is mainly "cached" if I may believe cat /proc/meminfo, how could I lower it? now it is using over 800MB of swap (and I don't like using swap) |
| 12:08.15 | dutchfish | Mark21, you mean dispose the cache? |
| 12:08.45 | Mark21 | at least lower it to something so swap isn't used |
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| 12:09.32 | dutchfish | Mark21, you can with echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync ; but rem that the kernel optimizes it at its best for you already; this shoul not be neccesary |
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| 12:10.25 | Mark21 | dutchfish: probably yes, but I just wanted to know it (not doing it right now) |
| 12:10.33 | dutchfish | Mark21, if you see high cache together with swap space being used, then either your system needs more ram or there are faulthy aplications |
| 12:10.54 | Mark21 | it haves 6GB RAM |
| 12:11.01 | nkuttler | izanuff: /usr/share/doc/apache*, /etc/apache2/, apache.org. just search for hostname in the config. it's probably not very important atm |
| 12:11.04 | dutchfish | Mark21, more then it will ever need |
| 12:11.07 | Mark21 | but it is running magento, so that probably is the reason |
| 12:12.00 | izanuff | changelog.Debian.gz copyright NEWS.Debian.gz README.Debian.gz |
| 12:12.05 | izanuff | thats all thats in my apache2 di |
| 12:12.07 | izanuff | dir |
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| 12:12.24 | izanuff | nvm |
| 12:12.43 | Mark21 | dutchfish: thank you for the information |
| 12:12.49 | dutchfish | Mark21, yw |
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| 12:13.33 | krsna | i have installed swfdec-mozilla but it does not work. how to enable flash for browsers without the macromedia flash? |
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| 12:16.39 | izanuff | nothing int here but hostname lookups |
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| 12:18.30 | Python1320 | Is there any extended copy command or similar to copy files with extended rules like "don't copy folders with name test" |
| 12:18.47 | petemc | find? |
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| 12:19.02 | Python1320 | Hmm |
| 12:19.20 | Python1320 | cp -flrx source/*/* target |
| 12:19.31 | Python1320 | How would you modify that |
| 12:19.41 | Python1320 | Because my logic doesn't really work right now. |
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| 12:20.14 | themill | izanuff: what's in /etc/hostname? |
| 12:20.43 | themill | Python1320: rsync |
| 12:20.46 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/dd1ae23a |
| 12:20.46 | xand | Python1320: cp with -l doesn't copy, creates links |
| 12:21.05 | Python1320 | xand, temill, cp -flrx |
| 12:21.19 | themill | Python1320: that's /etc/hosts not /etc/hostname |
| 12:21.28 | izanuff | the hostname only has : limestone |
| 12:21.28 | themill | gah.... izanuff ^^ |
| 12:21.33 | izanuff | thats all thats written int he file |
| 12:21.39 | Python1320 | themill, ^^ |
| 12:21.46 | Python1320 | xand, yeah that's my problem. |
| 12:21.46 | xand | Python1320: what about it? like I said, -l doesn't copy |
| 12:21.53 | Python1320 | Sorry, link I meant to say. |
| 12:22.05 | Python1320 | I basically want to link-merge folders. |
| 12:22.10 | Python1320 | without specific folders. |
| 12:22.13 | themill | izanuff: yeah, so your machine thinks its name is "limestone" but you don't have an entry in /etc/hosts to give it in IP address |
| 12:22.21 | xand | Python1320: use rsync |
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| 12:22.40 | Python1320 | xand, but it can't make the links. The folders are so big that it would be a huge waste of space. |
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| 12:23.12 | izanuff | themill: im not sure how to do that exactly |
| 12:23.15 | izanuff | everythign worked fine before |
| 12:23.50 | themill | dpkg: tell izanuff about hostname |
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| 12:24.23 | Python1320 | THe big picture is I have a bunch of svn repositories done using checkout. They all contain .svn folders though. I don't want the .svn folders to get linked or even created. I am trying to merge the folders. |
| 12:24.35 | izanuff | thx i will look into that |
| 12:24.42 | izanuff | maybe one day I will be able to use this thing |
| 12:25.21 | themill | izanuff: I would guess you actually want to change the hostname from "limestone" to something else (since that's just the name of your hosting provider) and then fix the /etc/hosts entry to match (i.e. change "unassigned" in /etc/hosts) |
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| 12:25.33 | negge | I keep getting "GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B" when running apt-get update. What's going on? |
| 12:25.41 | themill | dpkg: tell negge about new archive key |
| 12:25.53 | nkuttler | Python1320: not sure what you're trying to do, but find | grep -v | xargs cp ? |
| 12:26.05 | negge | themill: thanks a bunch! |
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| 12:26.19 | themill | negge: perhaps.... that shouldn't cause BADSIG though. |
| 12:26.47 | themill | gives nkuttler a bunch of "-print0, -zZ and -0" for that command |
| 12:26.50 | izanuff | yes but that wouldnt fix the reason my apache isnt working would it? |
| 12:26.55 | Python1320 | nkuttler, merge a bunch of folders (complex directory structure) to one big folder by linking but exclude folders with name ".svn". |
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| 12:27.13 | Fantom__ | !dpkg kp-mantra |
| 12:27.13 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 12:27.15 | nkuttler | themill: i don't need them, maybe Python1320 |
| 12:27.18 | xand | Python1320: rsync with --link-dest |
| 12:27.22 | negge | themill: yeah something's weird. I tried install debian-archive-keyring but it was already installed |
| 12:27.25 | Python1320 | xand, oh |
| 12:27.33 | xand | set to the source dir |
| 12:27.38 | xand | (full path) |
| 12:27.39 | themill | nkuttler: you suggested the command :) |
| 12:27.59 | HackeMate | is there something like ksnapshot for gnome? |
| 12:28.04 | nkuttler | themill: if you re-read my suggestion you will see that it's totally incomplete, but whatever |
| 12:28.16 | Python1320 | xand, that's not even in the rync's help. |
| 12:28.21 | Python1320 | *rsync* |
| 12:28.30 | Python1320 | or wait, it is |
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| 12:29.01 | Fantom__ | make-kpkg --revision=2.6.31.5-ghost initrd.img-2.6.31-5-amd64 |
| 12:29.01 | Fantom__ | Error: Unknown target initrd.img-2.6.31-5-amd64 |
| 12:29.02 | Fantom__ | use --targets to display help on valid targets. |
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| 12:29.18 | Fantom__ | make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 12:29.30 | Fantom__ | help? |
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| 12:30.25 | nkuttler | !tell Fantom__ about kp mantra |
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| 12:31.17 | craigevil | HackeMate: check out shutter or scrot |
| 12:31.24 | nsadmin | Fantom__: make-kpkg does not produce the initrd image |
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| 12:31.40 | nsadmin | not even if you feed it --initrd |
| 12:31.41 | themill | HackeMate: hitting printscreen should bring it up for you |
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| 12:32.12 | nsadmin | what it DOES do is create packages that have sufficient code to figure out and create the image |
| 12:32.29 | nsadmin | understand the difference? |
| 12:32.37 | themill | negge: there was a little bit of BADSIG going around a couple of weeks ago -- thought that was all sorted. It might be one of the security mirrors is out of sync or in the middle of an update. Try again? |
| 12:32.53 | Python1320 | xand, can't seem to get that to work. |
| 12:33.49 | negge | themill: I've tried apt-get update a bunch of times already, and I saw a bug report about it (probably the same as you mentioned) |
| 12:34.19 | negge | guess I'll just wait a few days and see if it goes away, if not I'll have to investigate further |
| 12:34.36 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: make-kpkg -initrd --revision=2.6.31.5-amd64-ghost vmlinuz-2.6.31-5-amd64 what is wrong here i'm reading the help site "hwo to compile new kernel" |
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| 12:34.39 | Fantom__ | and nothing |
| 12:34.51 | themill | negge: are you behind a proxy server (particularly a transparent proxy)? |
| 12:34.55 | Fantom__ | my english is nto good |
| 12:35.00 | Fantom__ | my english is not good |
| 12:35.03 | dutchfish | negge, http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 12:35.18 | nsadmin | Fantom__: do you have the configured kernel source? |
| 12:35.28 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:35.29 | negge | dutchfish: it's security.debian.org that is failing. There are no mirrors for that one right? |
| 12:35.34 | negge | themill: not that I know of |
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| 12:35.39 | nsadmin | are you in the source dir? |
| 12:35.42 | nkuttler | Fantom__: did you actually try the suggested use "--targets to display help on valid targets." |
| 12:35.43 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: yes |
| 12:35.59 | Fantom__ | linux-2.6.31.5 it is configured |
| 12:36.01 | Fantom__ | :) |
| 12:36.09 | themill | negge: s.d.o is on a dns round-robin, so trying again can help. |
| 12:36.13 | nsadmin | ok, these specific targets you're giving it won't work, |
| 12:36.19 | negge | themill: I could reboot to Debian and check if it happens with Squeeze too. I'm currently on Windows so it's kinda hard... |
| 12:36.29 | negge | themill: okay |
| 12:36.38 | nsadmin | there are four different things it can build... |
| 12:36.54 | nsadmin | kernel image, kernel headers, kernel docs and something else I forgot |
| 12:37.18 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: what i need to type to compile it after make-kpkg clean and configuring the kernel? |
| 12:37.20 | nsadmin | you definitely want the kernel image |
| 12:37.25 | dutchfish | negge, there are mirrors of sec too: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full |
| 12:37.39 | izanuff | ugh too much of a headache.. too late to deal with this crap... Thanks for the help guys. |
| 12:37.44 | nsadmin | Fantom__ if I were you I'd backup the .config file |
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| 12:38.00 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: it is backup |
| 12:38.02 | negge | Fantom__: check out this link : http://howtoforge.com/roll_a_kernel_debian_ubuntu_way |
| 12:38.06 | nsadmin | and then, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 12:38.12 | themill | nsadmin: if your ISP has a proxy that you can configure apt to use then it will frequently (but not always) behave better than when it's a transparent proxy. |
| 12:38.15 | Fantom__ | what is that kernel_image ?!??!?!?! |
| 12:38.22 | smhar | can I run enlightenment 17 on debian squeeze? it is not in the repositories |
| 12:38.32 | negge | Fantom__: ? |
| 12:38.41 | nsadmin | Fantom__: make-kpkg --targets |
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| 12:39.02 | nsadmin | Fantom__: contains the |
| 12:39.04 | nsadmin | kernel |
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| 12:39.06 | nsadmin | image |
| 12:39.21 | nsadmin | oh, oops, too much verticality... |
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| 12:40.05 | negge | dutchfish: that list is a bit hard to browse |
| 12:40.19 | nkuttler | smhar: well, you could probably build a backport or maybe get the stable version |
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| 12:45.06 | negge | themill: it magically started working now. I did an nslookup on security.debian.org and tried chaning the address to one of the IPs it gave, which for some reason didn't work at all (got a 404 error), then I changed it back and ran apt-get update and it went through just fine |
| 12:45.38 | themill | yay |
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| 12:45.46 | dutchfish | negge, crtl-f security |
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| 12:45.56 | dutchfish | negge, next, next etc |
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| 12:46.05 | negge | dutchfish: what? where? |
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| 12:46.22 | negge | dutchfish: oh yeah |
| 12:46.28 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 12:46.52 | negge | dutchfish: anyway, I got it sorted out |
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| 12:50.24 | izanuff | themill: i found my problem. my httpd.conf was completely empty |
| 12:50.51 | iceroot | izanuff: httpd.conf is always empty. its now in apache2.conf |
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| 12:50.58 | izanuff | oh |
| 12:50.59 | izanuff | darn |
| 12:51.04 | izanuff | i thought i was smart |
| 12:51.04 | izanuff | lol |
| 12:51.18 | themill | izanuff: did you fix your hostname and /etc/hosts? |
| 12:51.27 | izanuff | i added my ip |
| 12:51.37 | bao__ | why debian must have strange conf file layout |
| 12:51.53 | iceroot | bao__: what is strange? |
| 12:52.04 | bao__ | conf.d? |
| 12:52.08 | bao__ | why is there conf.d |
| 12:52.23 | iceroot | bao__: for having multiple confs |
| 12:52.27 | izanuff | i dont know what my hostname should be.. limestone is fine with me |
| 12:52.44 | abrotman | bao__: it's easier than having each package mangle a single config file |
| 12:52.45 | iceroot | bao__: so if you install an addon it can put the config there also. starting with a number |
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| 12:52.49 | themill | bao__: conf.d is an *excellent* mechanism for saving you from having to merge your own changes to apache2.conf back into the package version every time the maintainer improves it |
| 12:52.50 | bao__ | but multiple conf is confusing |
| 12:52.57 | iceroot | bao__: the number tells what to execute first |
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| 12:53.02 | iceroot | bao__: no, its not |
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| 12:53.38 | bao__ | multiple conf.d makes debian sucky, why not follow standard |
| 12:53.40 | themill | bao__: not confusing at all. You never need to touch apache2.conf. You only have a couple of small config files in conf.d that you manipulate (rather than 3000 lines of apache2.conf to try to navigate around) |
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| 12:54.09 | iceroot | bao__: just try to understand why there is conf.d |
| 12:54.21 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 12:54.27 | bao__ | httpd.conf is supposed to be config in one file, sure it can include multiple file, but there should only be one httpd.conf |
| 12:54.31 | themill | bao__: Apache upstream has an "include" directive and always has. |
| 12:54.48 | iceroot | bao__: there is only one |
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| 12:55.02 | bao__ | debian should follow standard |
| 12:55.13 | bao__ | uniqueness doesn't apply here |
| 12:55.19 | mesaGL | bao__: i'm not the slightest bit interested in hearing any more of your inane whining |
| 12:55.23 | izanuff | how do I get out of vi ? |
| 12:55.32 | themill | bao__: it does, the apache documentation even suggests how to split up the config file using include statements to make the config easier to read. |
| 12:55.33 | iceroot | izanuff: esc :q! |
| 12:55.38 | iceroot | izanuff: for not saving |
| 12:55.40 | nkuttler | bao__: feel free to edit the apache2.conf, do everything you want, and debian won't touch it |
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| 12:55.45 | iceroot | esc :wq for saving |
| 12:55.59 | izanuff | esc isnt working |
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| 12:56.12 | iceroot | izanuff: it is :) |
| 12:56.33 | izanuff | nope |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | just type :wq |
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| 12:57.46 | izanuff | im stuck in some fake help file |
| 12:57.54 | abrotman | :q |
| 12:57.56 | _AnywhereIs_ | vi is a funny thing xD |
| 12:58.04 | izanuff | apparently |
| 12:58.14 | _AnywhereIs_ | when i first used it i asked that too: how to quit xD |
| 12:58.37 | izanuff | :/ |
| 12:58.39 | izanuff | this sucks |
| 12:58.41 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_: i think everyone gets that problem first |
| 12:58.42 | izanuff | cant get out |
| 12:58.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | iceroot, yeah =) |
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| 12:59.07 | _AnywhereIs_ | i solved that then by ssh'ing and kill -9 lol |
| 12:59.19 | abrotman | he shouldn't have to .. it's not a difficult program to use |
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| 12:59.31 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_: like here :) |
| 12:59.33 | izanuff | i dbl tapped esc and still nothing |
| 12:59.48 | _AnywhereIs_ | =) |
| 12:59.50 | izanuff | im in some help.txt file and its above my .php file i have open |
| 12:59.52 | icebrain | izanuff: what happens when you do :q |
| 12:59.55 | bao__ | i've used debian for many years, i think conf.d is plain silly idea |
| 12:59.55 | bao__ | it ruins debian |
| 12:59.55 | iceroot | izanuff: type :q! |
| 12:59.55 | themill | izanuff: :q |
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| 13:00.14 | izanuff | ding ding we have a winner |
| 13:00.14 | abrotman | bao__: you have the option of not using Debian |
| 13:00.23 | abrotman | bao__: you also don't have to use the Debian packages |
| 13:00.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | bao__ i like to manage configs in single file or structure i like =) |
| 13:00.29 | izanuff | see i didnt see those cmds in the man |
| 13:00.31 | iceroot | izanuff: as i said esc :q! :) |
| 13:00.36 | izanuff | only escape and dbl escape |
| 13:00.48 | mesaGL | izanuff: suggestion. before you do *anything* else, learn how to swich modes and exit vi/vim, with and without saving. a prerequisite for this, is that the window you are attempting to type into actually has the focus, if you are in X |
| 13:00.53 | izanuff | esc didnt work.. just the :q! and :q |
| 13:01.01 | themill | bao__: we don't care. You are free not to use any of the conf.d stuff just edit apache2.conf to not use it. You get to manage all modules and sites yourself manually and best of all, you get to stop whinging. |
| 13:01.04 | iceroot | izanuff: esc is for entering command-mode |
| 13:01.11 | iceroot | izanuff: i is for entering insert mode |
| 13:01.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | vim is funny =) |
| 13:01.29 | izanuff | ill def stay away from vi until i finish the man |
| 13:01.32 | iceroot | izanuff: so you press esc to enter command mode, then :q! to setup a command |
| 13:02.35 | izanuff | :) |
| 13:02.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | bao__, i also may say that conf.d is not debian-specific thingy =) |
| 13:02.57 | iceroot | izanuff: but the good thing about linux is you always have a alternate. if you dont like vi, there are many other editors like nano (easy to use), emacs, joe and so on |
| 13:03.09 | izanuff | i normally use nano |
| 13:03.13 | bao__ | yes i will stop using debian, plain stupid conf.d, outdate "stable" version, crash-prone "unstable" version, "testing" version with both weakness |
| 13:03.16 | _AnywhereIs_ | nano fails at russian UTF8 for some reason. |
| 13:03.29 | _AnywhereIs_ | it won't render letters correctly while vim does |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | bao__: do you actually need help, or are you just going to whine all day? |
| 13:03.39 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_: never tried russian |
| 13:03.51 | themill | bao__: are you just here to troll? Or do you actually have something constructive and interesting to say? If you have bugs to report, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 13:03.56 | _AnywhereIs_ | =) it's my native |
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| 13:04.32 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_: you have a special keyboard to use that special chars? or is it a normal us-layout? |
| 13:04.44 | bao__ | yes i am here to troll |
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| 13:04.54 | iceroot | bao__: you are a bad troll |
| 13:04.54 | mesaGL | us-layout is normal ? i think not |
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| 13:04.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | iceroot it's us+ru keyboard =) |
| 13:05.02 | abrotman | bao__: take a 10 minute timeout |
| 13:05.11 | iceroot | mesaGL: german-layout is normal :) |
| 13:05.19 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_: ok |
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| 13:07.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | i already used debian, slackware, gentoo and some other distros, i can say debian is the fastest to set it up for some specific task. =) i like it for binary packages are easy and fast to install and manage. when time is critical, debian rocks =) |
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| 13:07.25 | izanuff | well i got everythign installed again but when i try to go to localhost/info.php to test it it keeps downloading the file and not opening it |
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| 13:07.42 | iceroot | what happend in conf.d if two confs are starting with the same number? next check on the charakters after the number? so 20a... is started before 20b...? |
| 13:07.46 | _AnywhereIs_ | izanuff, what you're trying to do? |
| 13:07.57 | izanuff | installed mysql and apache and php5 |
| 13:07.58 | iceroot | izanuff: php -version |
| 13:08.05 | abrotman | izanuff: what are you testing with ? |
| 13:08.33 | izanuff | ie |
| 13:08.36 | iceroot | izanuff: restated apache after installing php5? |
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| 13:08.40 | izanuff | and chrome |
| 13:08.43 | abrotman | izanuff: you're testing on localhost with IE? |
| 13:08.44 | izanuff | yes i did |
| 13:08.45 | abrotman | on linux? |
| 13:08.48 | _AnywhereIs_ | o_0000 |
| 13:08.58 | izanuff | well i put localhost because im not giving out my ip |
| 13:09.03 | izanuff | its a colocated box |
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| 13:09.08 | iceroot | izanuff: look at /etc/apache2/error.log |
| 13:09.23 | _AnywhereIs_ | o_0 apache stores logs in /etc ? |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | izanuff: IE sucks .. clear the browser cache, close all IEs .. restart IE, try again |
| 13:09.33 | nkuttler | _AnywhereIs_: /var/log/apache2/ |
| 13:09.34 | iceroot | /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 13:09.36 | iceroot | sorry |
| 13:09.39 | izanuff | chrome does same thing |
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| 13:09.46 | _AnywhereIs_ | i was scared =) |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | izanuff: just do it |
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| 13:10.04 | iceroot | _AnywhereIs_:hehe no need to |
| 13:10.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | izanuff, tail -n 50 your_error_log_path |
| 13:10.32 | _AnywhereIs_ | iceroot, yeh i use nginx and own-built php anyways =) |
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| 13:12.23 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 13:12.33 | izanuff | http://pastebin.com/ma998b6c |
| 13:13.05 | cr3rzemjest | can i download stable amd64 netinst and then switch to testing? or during install? somehow? |
| 13:13.15 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: yes |
| 13:13.39 | abrotman | izanuff: it's working fine |
| 13:13.51 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman: how? just change entries in sources.list after installationi? |
| 13:13.58 | cr3rzemjest | *n |
| 13:13.59 | abrotman | !tell cr3rzemjest about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:14.00 | izanuff | well my info.php isnt working correctly |
| 13:14.13 | abrotman | izanuff: did you do what i told you yet? |
| 13:14.14 | AimHere | cr3rzemjest, yes, then run apt-get dist-upgrade or the equivalent in your quiche-eater gui program |
| 13:14.17 | izanuff | yes i did |
| 13:14.19 | mattgirv | cr3rzemjest: Yep change all of the 'lenny' entries to 'squeeze' for testing |
| 13:14.21 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 13:14.23 | abrotman | !tell AimHere about why aptitude |
| 13:14.29 | abrotman | and it's not dist-upgrade either |
| 13:14.37 | AimHere | It's not? |
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| 13:15.04 | abrotman | izanuff: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:15.33 | izanuff | was already installed |
| 13:15.43 | AimHere | Oh, and dpkg is offline so I still don't know why aptitude, other than perhaps it's more inclined to remove auto-installed libraries |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | dpkg is talking to me ... |
| 13:15.55 | dpkg | abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 13:16.02 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | izanuff: a2enmod php5 |
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| 13:16.30 | valdyn | !why aptitude |
| 13:16.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:16.41 | cr3rzemjest | also, can i install debian from hdd if i have existing debian installation (mount iso, copy contents to dir, in grub.conf specify path to kernel (i don't how many are there in iso...) and perhaps initrd if it exists? |
| 13:16.43 | izanuff | module does not exist |
| 13:16.58 | abrotman | izanuff: did you remove files by hand? with rm? |
| 13:17.05 | valdyn | Sometimes aptitude will come to the wrong solution, but im finding that its near always better than apt-get |
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| 13:17.25 | valdyn | and in the cases where apt-get is "better" its to complex to use correctly for most users anyway |
| 13:17.26 | twiggz | debian backports is giving me crap over pidgin |
| 13:17.26 | abrotman | and for someone using testing/unstable .. that's a good thing :) |
| 13:17.35 | izanuff | yes i did |
| 13:17.48 | abrotman | izanuff: WHY? what makes you think you're smart enough to remove config files by hand? |
| 13:17.59 | izanuff | no idea |
| 13:18.05 | abrotman | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 13:18.09 | izanuff | well i dont remember removing a.conf |
| 13:18.11 | mattgirv | Yep I found that out the hard way when apt-get decided removing my entire x.org/gnome setup was required to remove nvidia drivers |
| 13:18.40 | izanuff | guess im too much of a windows user |
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| 13:18.53 | izanuff | abrotman: any info on what i can do to fix? |
| 13:18.56 | abrotman | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 13:19.13 | valdyn | more repeats please ;) |
| 13:19.14 | legba7 | \leave |
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| 13:19.34 | cr3rzemjest | can i install debian from hdd if i have existing debian installation (mount iso, copy contents to dir, in grub.conf specify path to kernel (i don't how many are there in iso...) and perhaps initrd if it exists? I've tried that with Zenwalk and it kinda worked, i think. I mean i've installed it... |
| 13:19.35 | abrotman | seriously ... |
| 13:19.45 | abrotman | !tell cr3rzemjest about repeat |
| 13:19.49 | abrotman | !tell cr3rzemjest about debootstrap |
| 13:19.58 | _AnywhereIs_ | now i know who windows users are. they are the ones who is cracking the very tree they are sitting on. |
| 13:20.26 | izanuff | yay that worked |
| 13:20.31 | cr3rzemjest | i didn't repeat immediately |
| 13:20.44 | izanuff | nope sorry not fat :) |
| 13:20.45 | valdyn | theyre the ones forced to use badly documented crapware, where trial and error is "easier" than doing the right thing? |
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| 13:21.04 | izanuff | im new to linux. I kinda like it though. |
| 13:21.08 | stasi | how do i list files inside a .deb |
| 13:21.13 | izanuff | im gonna install it on my wifes netbook |
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| 13:21.19 | valdyn | stasi: man dpkg or dpkg --help |
| 13:21.26 | stasi | valdyn, what, -l ? |
| 13:21.28 | stasi | i tried tht |
| 13:21.54 | abrotman | stasi: dpkg -L |
| 13:22.01 | valdyn | stasi: you tried -l ? now what does it say about -l in the documentation i pointed you to? does that look anything like "list contents" ? |
| 13:22.07 | stasi | --info does iot |
| 13:22.25 | valdyn | stasi: -L lists the *installed* debian package's files, not the .deb contents |
| 13:22.48 | icebrain | dpkg-deb -c ? |
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| 13:23.02 | valdyn | or dpkg --contents |
| 13:23.09 | stasi | yes contentws |
| 13:23.11 | stasi | -w |
| 13:23.12 | valdyn | dammit, now i read the manpage myself =/ |
| 13:23.29 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 13:23.29 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:23.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | xDDD |
| 13:23.51 | rhona | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiedTok_SX8 |
| 13:24.33 | xand | !edd |
| 13:25.20 | abrotman | rhona: wrong channel |
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| 13:25.36 | rhona | chillax |
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| 13:26.11 | abrotman | rhona: go spam somewhere else |
| 13:26.16 | izanuff | it all works finally |
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| 13:27.08 | roland- | hey, I plugin my usb drive and nothing shows up... |
| 13:27.18 | roland- | no message in dmesg |
| 13:27.59 | becky | roland-, does it turn on? maybe a power issue? |
| 13:28.06 | roland- | it turns on. |
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| 13:28.38 | becky | and other usb drives work well? |
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| 13:29.18 | roland- | don't have other |
| 13:29.33 | abrotman | roland-: which kernel? |
| 13:29.56 | roland- | custom kernel but loaded with debian config and using the debian kernel |
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| 13:30.12 | stasi | hgbiijuuipojoijoijiojiokkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 13:30.16 | abrotman | walks away |
| 13:30.19 | roland- | also using squeeze |
| 13:30.22 | roland- | ah damn |
| 13:30.33 | roland- | let me try the old kernel |
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| 13:32.10 | becky | could only be a kernel issue when it's no problem with power |
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| 13:32.51 | abrotman | there could be other issues |
| 13:33.20 | becky | but they would be the most probable ones |
| 13:33.39 | stasi | sorry about that. |
| 13:34.18 | becky | stasi, smashing your head on the keyboard ? |
| 13:34.38 | stasi | my router went dead so my ssh connection stopped responding |
| 13:34.55 | stasi | that was just me trying to jumpstart it ;) |
| 13:35.11 | becky | ah ja |
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| 13:36.16 | action09 | hi all |
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| 13:36.37 | becky | hi action09 |
| 13:36.52 | action09 | hi becky and all :) |
| 13:37.08 | rhona | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:37.33 | dutchfish | hi, does dmucs take into account ARCHes? and if, how to configure it? |
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| 13:40.25 | Overdrive | hi people, i'm seeing this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546263 however not sure how to fix that problem |
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| 13:43.43 | dutchfish | Overdrive, is clx in your search path? |
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| 13:45.49 | dutchfish | Overdrive, To load CLX, you will first need to add the Lisp contrib directory to the module search path. |
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| 13:47.37 | Overdrive | dutchfish: could you show me how to do that? |
| 13:47.43 | dutchfish | Overdrive, that solved it for me |
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| 13:48.35 | dutchfish | Overdrive, there could be more to it, but i figured out in squeeze by using this: http://wwwcgi.rdg.ac.uk:8081/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/wsi14/poplog/lisp/help/clx |
| 13:48.53 | dutchfish | Overdrive, fyi on a amd64/squeeze system |
| 13:50.25 | Overdrive | thanks dutchfish |
| 13:50.33 | dutchfish | Overdrive, yw |
| 13:50.48 | Overdrive | i'm using squeeze on amd64, so that's perfect for me |
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| 13:53.26 | julianoliver | i am using the iwlagn driver for the Intel 5100 Wireless device on 2.6.31 (backports). often i get the output 'link is not ready' when setting essid with iwconfig, even after taking the NIC up/down and clearing keys and setting ESSID to off. reloading the module remedies this. why? |
| 13:53.57 | julianoliver | of note is that i've had the same problem with previous stable kernels. |
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| 13:56.18 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 13:56.55 | eptalon | are there any suggestions on what to use for filesystem-level encyption? |
| 13:57.14 | Overdrive | dutchfish: i assume that those commands are executed inside SBCL, that's right? |
| 13:57.16 | valdyn | eptalon: dont go that route at all |
| 13:57.29 | dutchfish | Overdrive, mosyly yes |
| 13:57.37 | dutchfish | s/mosyly/mostly |
| 13:57.39 | Overdrive | dutchfish: is not working |
| 13:58.02 | valdyn | eptalon: filesystem level encryption only exists for reiser4 and probably btrfs, thats not for production |
| 13:58.04 | eptalon | valdyn: what alternatives are there? |
| 13:58.13 | dutchfish | Overdrive, let me think, its quiet some time a go i did it |
| 13:58.15 | valdyn | eptalon: block device level encryption |
| 13:58.57 | Overdrive | dutchfish: for all of them is telling debugger invoked on a SB-INT:EXTENSION-FAILURE in thread ... etc... Don't know how to REQUIRE CONTRIB |
| 13:59.02 | julianoliver | what part of memory is /not/ cleared by taking a NIC down (and ensuring iwconfig reports no set values) that /is/ cleared by unloading the module? |
| 13:59.09 | Overdrive | dutchfish: and the same for the rest |
| 13:59.10 | eptalon | valdyn: what do you suggest? - I basically want to encrypt the whole "/home", but dont lose the ability (xfs) to resize the thing. |
| 13:59.11 | valdyn | eptalon: that makes loop-aes and cryptsetup |
| 13:59.34 | valdyn | eptalon: the encryption is beneath xfs |
| 13:59.48 | valdyn | eptalon: you dont lose the resize ability |
| 13:59.59 | eptalon | I only need it for like a week, is it easy to later unplug? |
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| 14:00.08 | valdyn | eptalon: unplug? |
| 14:00.13 | dutchfish | Overdrive, and the contrib dir is there? |
| 14:00.33 | Overdrive | dutchfish: where? |
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| 14:00.59 | eptalon | valdyn: I need it for a week, later I want to "undo", and no longer use the encryption layer |
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| 14:01.15 | Overdrive | dutchfish: it is in my sbcl-1.0.25.0 directory yes, where i'm launching this command |
| 14:01.17 | valdyn | eptalon: bad idea that undo, to much work |
| 14:01.36 | eptalon | valdyn: how much is the performance impact? |
| 14:01.45 | valdyn | eptalon: you cant just move the system to encrpyption without copying the whole data |
| 14:02.06 | valdyn | eptalon: that should be small enough to be irrelevant |
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| 14:04.49 | jcm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:05.57 | valdyn | jcm: random pretty much suggests that you have broken hardware |
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| 14:06.06 | eptalon | valdyn: is it possible ot do something with automount on user login? |
| 14:06.23 | valdyn | eptalon: everythign is possible |
| 14:06.34 | valdyn | eptalon: what would be the point of it? |
| 14:06.50 | valdyn | eptalon: is the point enough to mess with login system? |
| 14:07.22 | dutchfish | Overdrive, it is something like (add-to-list 'load-path "/the/path/to/foo") but sorry i forgot the right path/naming |
| 14:07.34 | eptalon | valdyn: Basic idea: disk is useless (data inaccessible) outside the current box? |
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| 14:08.10 | Overdrive | dutchfish: ok thanks |
| 14:08.10 | valdyn | eptalon: its just encrypted, it can be used in any box with the same encryption software |
| 14:08.13 | eptalon | valdyn: it can be re-formatted and re-used, but there won't be access to the data. |
| 14:08.43 | eptalon | valdyn: but without the "key" it the data can't be accessed. |
| 14:08.45 | dutchfish | Overdrive, if it doe snot work out, i can look it up on monday, i am curently not on that system |
| 14:08.51 | valdyn | eptalon: right |
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| 14:10.17 | jcm | valdyn: should I test memory ? can't it be a soft problem appearing only after some days ? |
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| 14:11.08 | valdyn | jcm: sure |
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| 14:11.42 | valdyn | jcm: if the panic stack trace is random its also likely a hardware error |
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| 14:11.50 | Overdrive | dutchfish: ok thanks, i will try, if it doesn't work, i will let you know later, ta |
| 14:11.54 | dutchfish | Overdrive, resume: clx need that path to contrib |
| 14:12.06 | valdyn | jcm: if its not, then it depends on the trace |
| 14:12.28 | valdyn | jcm: feel free to try a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 14:12.41 | jcm | valdyn: I suspect openvz since vzctl is still 32 while debian lenny is running with amd64 flavor |
| 14:13.41 | jcm | valdyn: I could'nt find trace in logs (probably because of the syncing pb). The error in console is always 'Kernel panic - sync pb' |
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| 14:13.58 | valdyn | jcm: your screenshto shows a trace |
| 14:14.13 | WormFood | is there a problem with sid, and x-chat and gnome....I don't get the icon on the "task bar/system tray/notification area" (what do they call that in gnome?) when someone says my name (and it has been working in the past) |
| 14:14.31 | valdyn | !bts |
| 14:14.32 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:14.34 | valdyn | WormFood: ^^ |
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| 14:15.15 | WormFood | valdyn, I'm quite aware of the bug tracker, but thanks for the reminder....I was wondering if anyone else was having the same problems. |
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| 14:16.14 | WormFood | is it a bug in x-chat, or gnome? what do I search for? :P |
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| 14:17.23 | dutchfish | WormFood, what arch? |
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| 14:18.09 | abrotman | WormFood: did you configure the thing ? |
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| 14:19.02 | nkuttler | WormFood: could be any of them. try a different systray |
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| 14:19.35 | _AnywhereIs_ | WormFood: have you set "Enable system tray icon" in preferences of xchat? =) |
| 14:19.36 | WormFood | also valdyn, you didn't answer my other question....what is that area called in gnome? |
| 14:20.06 | dutchfish | fyi, the systray curently in squeeze/amd64 has minor problems _on_repaint not wroking |
| 14:20.19 | babilen | WormFood: I think the correct term would be "Gnome Panel" |
| 14:20.25 | WormFood | dutchfish, i386 |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | babilen: no, he means the gnome notification area |
| 14:20.35 | abrotman | it's on the panel |
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| 14:20.51 | dutchfish | ok, forget what i said then |
| 14:20.53 | babilen | stands corrected |
| 14:20.59 | WormFood | yes, it is configured...it has been working fine....then I see the gnome panel disappear and reappear, and x-chat does not notify me after that. |
| 14:21.01 | babilen | hello all btw :-) |
| 14:21.11 | WormFood | 你好 babilen ;) |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | WormFood: english here |
| 14:22.11 | x2y21 | wormFood:are you chinese? |
| 14:22.16 | babilen | ... it was just "hello" in chinese in a reference to a conversation yesterday. But yes - English in here! |
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| 14:22.29 | WormFood | x2y21, no, but I'm in China...you? |
| 14:22.52 | x2y21 | WormFood,yes, i'm a Chinese. |
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| 14:23.01 | WormFood | cool...come join us in #mandarin |
| 14:23.03 | babilen | serves cappuccino in #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:24.07 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 14:36.09 | eptalon | can anyone recommend a good image viewing porgram? |
| 14:36.27 | mattgirv | gThumb? |
| 14:36.39 | mattgirv | F-Spot? |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | eog and feh |
| 14:38.11 | izanuff | im using proftpd and i can go so far through subdir but then i get a 500 error failing to retrieve dir listing |
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| 14:42.12 | macrobat | eptalon: geeqie is my fav |
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| 14:46.47 | roland- | hey, i know there is a way to install debian from current hard drive, is there a tutorial? |
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| 14:47.50 | eptalon | which of them is particularly suited to displaying many images (and rotating, if necessary)? |
| 14:48.06 | eptalon | macrobat: geeqie is broken in my setup (sid) |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | !tell roland- about debootstrap |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | eptalon: eog is pretty simple for viewing .. so is feh |
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| 14:50.26 | eptalon | `./lib/modules/2.6.31-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/metronomefb.ko': No space left on device ? |
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| 14:53.15 | omry|work | I am trying to umount an nfs mounted dir, and I get that the mount point is busy, however lsof does not show any process using it. any idea? |
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| 14:54.54 | OMG | hi pls checkt out |
| 14:55.00 | becky | omry|work, maybe your $PWD is beneath the mountpoint itself |
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| 14:55.37 | omry|work | becky, no. that would show my bash process as using the mount point in lso |
| 14:55.38 | omry|work | f |
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| 14:56.37 | Elmaron | what do I do when ssh'ing, using "apt-get upgrade" and getting the connection reset so also apt-get gets terminated while updating python2.5-minimal? |
| 14:56.45 | omry|work | ah, "lsof mountpoint" did not show anything, but "lsof | grep mountpoint" did |
| 14:56.48 | Elmaron | especially as it now doesn't want to continue that operatiion but talks about error value 1 |
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| 14:57.08 | becky | omry|work, and what do |
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| 14:57.15 | becky | block access? |
| 14:57.29 | azeem_ | Elmaron: what connection gets reset? |
| 14:57.35 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to boot Debian kernel (and Debian initrd) with my custom filesystem in qemu. I am getting message: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory. I created /root/dev directory on my filesystem, though. What am I missing? |
| 14:57.35 | omry|work | becky, what do you mean? |
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| 14:57.45 | Elmaron | azeem_: I had an ssh session and lost internet connection _while_ I was running apt-get upgrade in it |
| 14:58.01 | Elmaron | that killed off the session on the server and also the apt-get upgrade process while it was updating python2.5-minimal |
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| 14:58.12 | Elmaron | now every apt-get upgrade just gives me error messages that it can't complete that operation |
| 14:58.14 | becky | omry|work, just ofr my intrest I wanted to know what the problem was |
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| 14:58.20 | azeem_ | Elmaron: which version of Debian? |
| 14:58.36 | Elmaron | it's ubuntu >.> but nobody in #ubuntu seems to care about such an issue :( |
| 14:58.43 | omry|work | becky, no idea why it happened. I had some processes using it, which lsof /mnt did not show, but lsof | grep mnt did. |
| 14:58.47 | Elmaron | the only uer that even answered had no idea |
| 14:58.49 | Elmaron | >.> |
| 14:58.50 | omry|work | maybe a bug in lsof. |
| 14:58.56 | Elmaron | and as apt-get is also on debian I hoped someone here could help |
| 14:58.57 | azeem_ | Elmaron: sorry, but Ubuntu is not supported here |
| 14:59.18 | azeem_ | upgrades via ssh should in general work on Debian, no idea what Ubuntu changed |
| 14:59.34 | Elmaron | the connection was reset |
| 14:59.40 | Elmaron | while the upgrade was in progress |
| 14:59.52 | Elmaron | when you reset an ssh connection, the ssh session and the program running in it gets terminated |
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| 15:00.13 | abrotman | Elmaron: please ask #ubuntu |
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| 15:00.27 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to boot Debian kernel (and Debian initrd) with my custom filesystem in qemu. I am getting message: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory. I created /root/dev directory on my filesystem, though. What am I missing? |
| 15:00.50 | Fantom__ | for modules like sound blaster x-fi module in kernel to run the x-fi, i need modules_image to create a package or no ? |
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| 15:00.52 | Fantom__ | is that true ? |
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| 15:03.27 | roland- | ok can I have that link again to install debian with no cd? |
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| 15:05.52 | issyl0 | I'm trying out Debian in a VM. It seems good so far :) |
| 15:06.09 | julianol1ver | issyl0: what's the host? |
| 15:06.15 | Alexxx` | wich linux is better for noobs ? |
| 15:06.23 | roland- | Alexxx`, ubuntu |
| 15:06.24 | issyl0 | julianol1ver, Ubuntu |
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| 15:06.26 | x2y21 | ubuntu is good for noob |
| 15:06.32 | roland- | it's very idiot friendly |
| 15:06.44 | nkuttler | Alexxx`: debian is good for people who want to read and learn. and get good support |
| 15:06.48 | x2y21 | but i think you will addict to debian after you learn more about linux |
| 15:06.54 | julianol1ver | Alexxx`: Ubuntu is good for both newbies and experienced users. Debian's for those that want more control and flexibility. |
| 15:07.01 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 15:07.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 15:07.04 | issyl0 | I'm wondering whether to switch from Ubuntu to Debian, as, well, I don't consider myself a noob now and I don't like people thinking I am. |
| 15:07.17 | Alexxx` | i want to learn php |
| 15:07.21 | Alexxx` | and mysql |
| 15:07.22 | roland- | yeah like for thoe who install xfce without 673673 gnome files. |
| 15:07.23 | Alexxx` | javascript.. |
| 15:07.52 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to boot Debian kernel (and Debian initrd) with my custom filesystem in qemu. I am getting message: Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory. I created /root/dev directory on my filesystem, though. What am I missing? |
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| 15:08.09 | julianol1ver | issyl0: as i say, Debian is about control and flexibility. i've used it since 1998 as my core OS for this reason. |
| 15:08.14 | Alexxx` | julianol1ver witch distribution is better for php |
| 15:08.37 | Fantom__ | slackware |
| 15:08.40 | julianol1ver | Alexxx`: perhaps any that offers easy install and management of the LAMP stack. |
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| 15:08.51 | issyl0 | Oh right. Debian doesn't change as much as Ubuntu, I find all the updates annoying in Ubuntu. |
| 15:09.10 | x2y21 | i agree julianol1ver |
| 15:09.45 | Fantom__ | julianol1ver: are u a woman |
| 15:09.50 | Alexxx` | some told me |
| 15:09.53 | x2y21 | NO. Ubuntu changes too much .but debian not .debian is just simple and pure free. |
| 15:09.54 | Alexxx` | fedora is good choise for me |
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| 15:10.32 | x2y21 | ~~~~.it seems Fantom__ 's word is not friendly... |
| 15:10.33 | apt | okay, x2y21 |
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| 15:10.52 | x2y21 | OK. i 'am not a english native speaker |
| 15:10.53 | julianol1ver | Fantom__: right, OK. |
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| 15:11.04 | Fantom__ | haha |
| 15:11.11 | Fantom__ | 11 years on linux |
| 15:11.12 | azeem_ | Fantom__: please keep it on topic |
| 15:11.13 | Fantom__ | woman |
| 15:11.28 | themill | apt forget ~~~.it seems fantom__ 's word |
| 15:11.28 | apt | i forgot ~~~.it seems fantom__ 's word, themill |
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| 15:11.49 | Fantom__ | !apt test |
| 15:11.55 | Fantom__ | what is that |
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| 15:12.00 | Fantom__ | i don't know english |
| 15:12.00 | Fantom__ | good |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | Fantom__: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:12.25 | Fantom__ | yes |
| 15:12.31 | abrotman | So ask |
| 15:12.38 | Fantom__ | okay |
| 15:13.04 | themill | Fantom__: perhaps you would be more comfortable in #debian-bg or #debian-russian |
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| 15:13.53 | Fantom__ | abrotman: if i want x-fi module from sound device in kernel <M> i need to made modules_image or no ? |
| 15:14.09 | Fantom__ | or just kernel_image uses it |
| 15:14.10 | azeem_ | Fantom__: that question already got addressed in the other channel |
| 15:14.16 | abrotman | Fantom__: Debian provides kernels for you. |
| 15:14.22 | Fantom__ | i cant understand |
| 15:14.30 | negge | :D |
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| 15:15.19 | wols | your kernel image deb package contains all the modules as well |
| 15:15.23 | wols | no 2nd package needed |
| 15:15.39 | issyl0 | Hmm, what partitioning should I do, should I do all the files in one or separate /home partition or what? |
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| 15:15.46 | melkor | I'm using antix which uses some debian packages, but they point it at testing. |
| 15:15.54 | issyl0 | I don't really care, it's only a VM, but still! |
| 15:16.01 | Fantom__ | abrotman: no i don't have q answear |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | issyl0: then just do it all in one |
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| 15:16.12 | abrotman | Fantom__: you were already answered |
| 15:16.19 | Fantom__ | wherE? |
| 15:16.22 | Fantom__ | when? |
| 15:16.28 | Fantom__ | i cant remember |
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| 15:16.43 | negge | issyl0: I usually keep /home on a separate partition |
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| 15:17.02 | Fantom__ | no help here only rules and theory |
| 15:17.14 | issyl0 | Hmmm, I chose the default |
| 15:17.15 | Fantom__ | only gods and wizards can help |
| 15:17.18 | negge | issyl0: but you can keep them all on the same partition too. If you feel the need to put some folder on a separate partition later on it's doable |
| 15:17.27 | negge | Fantom__: what exactly do you want? |
| 15:17.30 | julianol1ver | issyl0: i like to have a separate /home also. |
| 15:17.49 | issyl0 | Oh right. |
| 15:17.55 | Fantom__ | all is maniacally like beer cigaretes and alcohol |
| 15:17.58 | issyl0 | I'll keep them on the same for now then :) |
| 15:18.03 | abrotman | Fantom__: keep it on topic |
| 15:18.05 | babilen | issyl0: As you are using a VM, it will not make much of a difference. What will you use that installation for? |
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| 15:18.28 | issyl0 | babilen, testing it to see if I want to fully make the switch from Ubuntu to it |
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| 15:18.45 | abrotman | issyl0: if it's just for evaluation, make it easy on yourself |
| 15:18.55 | julianol1ver | i agree |
| 15:18.59 | babilen | issyl0: Then just keep it all in one partition. There are reasons to split it up, but none of them apply in your case IMHO. |
| 15:19.01 | negge | that fantom guy was weird... |
| 15:19.06 | issyl0 | Already the installer has won me over to be honest, much better than Ubuntu's brown and horrible colours/newbie stuff |
| 15:19.26 | issyl0 | Heh yeah |
| 15:19.30 | f3ar007 | Hi, I'm trying to install mpd from the git repository on Debian on my sheevaplug. But when I try to install it and use ./autogen.sh I get: configure error: error in /path/to/mpd configure:error C compiler cannot create executables.. |
| 15:19.34 | f3ar007 | is this the place to ask? |
| 15:19.50 | azeem_ | f3ar007: sort of; do you have build-essential installed? |
| 15:20.02 | wols | f3ar007: are you trying to compile it on PC for your sheeva? |
| 15:20.02 | babilen | f3ar007: there is also #mpd |
| 15:20.12 | saTTY | may be linker problem |
| 15:20.37 | julianol1ver | f3ar007: you're probably missing 'c++', install build-essential metapackage. |
| 15:20.43 | babilen | f3ar007: But ask ... If it is related to you Debian setup we will figure it out. (--> "build-essentials" ) |
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| 15:20.48 | f3ar007 | azeem_: im installing build essential right now |
| 15:20.48 | saTTY | ++^ |
| 15:20.56 | f3ar007 | wols: im trying to compile it on the sheeva |
| 15:21.01 | f3ar007 | for the sheeva |
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| 15:21.07 | cr3rzemjest | i want to do debootstrap in sda7 but i can't: |
| 15:21.15 | wols | ok. the build-essential it is (you missed binutils most likely) |
| 15:21.17 | cr3rzemjest | mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/sda7': File exists |
| 15:21.19 | cr3rzemjest | mknod: `/dev/sda7/test-dev-null': Not a directory |
| 15:21.21 | cr3rzemjest | E: Cannot install into target '/dev/sda7' mounted with noexec or nodev |
| 15:21.36 | cr3rzemjest | wait it must be dir |
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| 15:21.48 | azeem_ | cr3rzemjest: sda7 is a device file |
| 15:21.50 | cr3rzemjest | ok nevermind |
| 15:21.56 | azeem_ | cr3rzemjest: you need to debootstrap to a mountpoint |
| 15:21.58 | cr3rzemjest | i no |
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| 15:22.26 | f3ar007 | is waiting for build-essential to download, will post the result |
| 15:22.28 | f3ar007 | thanks for the help |
| 15:22.33 | f3ar007 | :D |
| 15:23.17 | cr3rzemjest | then, if i use debootstrap to instal 'verybasic system' (with --arch=amd64 squeeze), what do i do next? how to install 64 bit applications and have 64 bit system there |
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| 15:30.42 | f3ar007 | hi, build-essential helped the problem, but now i need glib-2.16, i tried apt-get install glib and apt-cache search glib, but i cant seem to find glib-2.16 |
| 15:31.37 | becky | f3ar007, usually a newer version should also work |
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| 15:32.08 | f3ar007 | becky: well, how do i find the correct name using apt? i think thats what i need to do... |
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| 15:32.37 | f3ar007 | becky: or is glib part of build-essential? |
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| 15:33.48 | julianoliver | f3ar007: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libglib.so |
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| 15:34.13 | pfo | anyone in here using clobber for deployment? |
| 15:34.16 | f3ar007 | julianoliver: not found.... |
| 15:34.21 | julianoliver | f3ar007: dpkg -L build-essential |
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| 15:34.55 | f3ar007 | julianoliver: it lists some directories... |
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| 15:36.37 | julianoliver | yep, build-essential is just a meta-package. i expected more output. my mistake. |
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| 15:37.02 | becky | f3ar007, I'd guess you like to install libglib1.2 and/or libglib2.0-0 |
| 15:37.10 | julianoliver | f3ar007: regardless, the error you posted earlier is a common one, fixed by installing the build-essential package usually. |
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| 15:37.35 | julianoliver | (or just the c++ linker independently) |
| 15:37.50 | f3ar007 | julianoliver: correct, it fixed the error and the install went further than it did before, now i just get the new error... |
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| 15:38.40 | f3ar007 | becky: libglib2.0-0 says already installed |
| 15:38.42 | julianoliver | f3ar007: what is that? sorry, i think i dropped offline. |
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| 15:40.19 | f3ar007 | julianoliver: checking for GLIB configure error: glib-2.16 is required |
| 15:40.38 | julianoliver | f3ar007: post the error again. |
| 15:40.58 | cr3rzemjest | after: debootstrap --arch=amd64 squeeze debian44/ files are being extracted but the last line is: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debian44 mount -t proc proc /proc. wat do? |
| 15:40.59 | f3ar007 | checking for GLIB... configure: error: glib-2.16 is required |
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| 15:41.18 | julianoliver | f3ar007: what are you compiling? |
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| 15:41.28 | f3ar007 | mpd from git repository |
| 15:42.21 | cr3rzemjest | # cat debian44/debootstrap/debootstrap.log |
| 15:42.21 | valdyn | f3ar007: apt-get build-dep mpd |
| 15:42.22 | cr3rzemjest | chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error |
| 15:42.22 | cr3rzemjest | what is this |
| 15:42.23 | valdyn | cr3rzemjest: wrong arch? |
| 15:42.35 | issyl0 | is in love with the amazingness of Debian already, before the install has even finished :P |
| 15:42.55 | cr3rzemjest | valdyn: i have no idea... i wanted to install 64 bit system without dvd/cd/usb stick <- didn't work :P |
| 15:42.55 | f3ar007 | valdyn: you must put some source uri in your sources.list.. |
| 15:42.56 | julianoliver | f3ar007: dpkg -l | grep libglib may explain things, but yep, i'd build-dep |
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| 15:43.09 | cr3rzemjest | also, the filesystem there is XFS |
| 15:43.11 | valdyn | cr3rzemjest: well you cant install a 64-bit system on top of a 32-bit kernel |
| 15:43.26 | valdyn | f3ar007: why do I ? |
| 15:43.37 | valdyn | judd: versions mpd |
| 15:43.38 | judd | valdyn: mpd -- etch: 0.12.1-1.1 lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1 sid: 0.15.4-1 squeeze: 0.15.4-1 |
| 15:43.41 | cr3rzemjest | so how do i do that |
| 15:43.49 | f3ar007 | valdyn: no, thats what the error is now |
| 15:43.58 | valdyn | f3ar007: are you on debian? |
| 15:44.00 | f3ar007 | yes |
| 15:44.09 | cr3rzemjest | valdyn: when i tried to install netinst from usbstick i couldn't because the installer checks for the CD not usb drives |
| 15:44.10 | valdyn | f3ar007: put your source.list on a paste site |
| 15:44.14 | f3ar007 | okay |
| 15:44.15 | valdyn | f3ar007: put your sources.list on a paste site |
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| 15:44.52 | valdyn | cr3rzemjest: how the hell did you install 32-bit debian? |
| 15:45.23 | cr3rzemjest | valdyn: on dvd :P |
| 15:45.33 | valdyn | cr3rzemjest: so do the same for the 64-bit version |
| 15:45.51 | f3ar007 | valdyn: my sources list is one line |
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| 15:46.01 | valdyn | f3ar007: show me |
| 15:46.02 | julianoliver | f3ar007: paste here then |
| 15:46.04 | cr3rzemjest | burn a dvd to use it 1 time? it's kind of a waste of dvd :P |
| 15:46.08 | f3ar007 | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 15:46.56 | valdyn | f3ar007: why dont you run "aptitude install mpd" in the first place? |
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| 15:48.18 | f3ar007 | aptitude says no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
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| 15:48.34 | valdyn | f3ar007: so its already installed? |
| 15:48.38 | f3ar007 | yes |
| 15:48.43 | f3ar007 | but theres a new version |
| 15:48.44 | valdyn | f3ar007: so use it? |
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| 15:48.53 | valdyn | f3ar007: so? theres a new version of everything |
| 15:49.00 | roland- | hey, is there a way to run debian iso in a partition? like if I do dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/sda4 will I be able to boot it ? |
| 15:49.10 | f3ar007 | valdyn: i understand, however i have trouble with the current version |
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| 15:49.30 | valdyn | f3ar007: why would the git version fix that trouble? |
| 15:49.55 | f3ar007 | because the problem has been reported by other users |
| 15:50.03 | valdyn | f3ar007: but to the first problem: you need to add a deb-src line that looks like your one line |
| 15:50.19 | valdyn | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 15:50.24 | valdyn | and run "aptitude update" |
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| 15:50.42 | valdyn | then apt-get build-dep mpd, then build it if you must |
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| 15:52.35 | icebrain | cr3rzemjest: I think you should use the netboot image: http://basic.vox.com/library/post/debian-install-netboot-from-usb-flash-drive.html |
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| 15:52.44 | abrotman | icebrain: why? |
| 15:52.54 | icebrain | to install from usb stick |
| 15:52.55 | icebrain | no? |
| 15:52.57 | abrotman | he specificalyl asked for a method to install from his HDD |
| 15:53.16 | f3ar007 | valdyn: Build-Depends dependency for mpd cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 15:53.21 | icebrain | abrotman: he said he tried to install from usb-stick |
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| 15:53.32 | f3ar007 | after finishing aptitude update |
| 15:53.35 | icebrain | abrotman: but couldn't, because it was "netinst", not netboot |
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| 15:53.41 | f3ar007 | and runing apt-get build-dep mpd |
| 15:53.42 | lszyba1 | hello,would anybody know how to setup syslog for my custom application...I am using python sysloghandler which writes to /dev/log and the default facility is log_user.....how do I setup config file for rsyslog so that I can save the logs for "myapp" to /home/lucas/myapp.log.... where do I put the config file, and what do I put in that file..? |
| 15:53.49 | issyl0 | Debian has a few more options than Ubuntu though, like do you want a SQL Database or some other things apart from the standard installation. Cool |
| 15:53.50 | abrotman | he said he was using debootstrap above |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | issyl0: FWIW .. most people skip that and install what they want later |
| 15:54.10 | icebrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.18 | issyl0 | abrotman, yeah, I did too ;) |
| 15:54.35 | abrotman | <cr3rzemjest> after: debootstrap --arch=amd64 squeeze debian44/ files are being extracted but the last line is: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debian44 mount -t proc proc /proc. wat do? |
| 15:54.39 | abrotman | i can do it too ? |
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| 15:54.58 | abhi_ | I have installed adobe reader 9 using .deb ...i cannot uninstall it with apt-get remove. Somebody plz tell me how to remove it |
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| 15:55.12 | epsilon | use dpkg |
| 15:55.19 | julianoliver | abhi_: dpkg -P not work also? aptitude remove? |
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| 15:55.39 | abrotman | abhi_: why can't you remove it? |
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| 15:55.49 | abrotman | epsilon: aptitude/apt-get should still work |
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| 15:59.04 | epsilon | thought apt-get removes only packages coming from sources.list? |
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| 16:00.13 | abrotman | no |
| 16:00.17 | abhi_ | aptitude remove does not work... |
| 16:00.24 | themill | dpkg: tell abhi_ about doesn't work |
| 16:00.27 | cr3rzemjest | *img = *iso? i couldn't find any iso2img |
| 16:00.43 | abrotman | abhi_: why can't you remove it? |
| 16:00.51 | abhi_ | it says acroread isn't installed so cannot remove it |
| 16:00.58 | abrotman | abhi_: dpkg -l acroread |
| 16:01.04 | abhi_ | thnx |
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| 16:01.56 | abhi_ | dpkg -l says package not found |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | abhi_: what is the line ? |
| 16:01.56 | dpkg | ii says package not found 3.6-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:02.05 | abrotman | abhi_: so it's not installed .. what's the problem ? |
| 16:02.09 | abhi_ | i guess it's not the correct name for adobe reader |
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| 16:02.39 | themill | abhi_: why do you think acroread is still installed? |
| 16:02.42 | abhi_ | it's installed i can start reader using acroread in terminal |
| 16:02.55 | abhi_ | it shows in applications |
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| 16:04.56 | themill | abhi_: what command do you give to run acroread from the terminal? "acroread"? |
| 16:05.03 | abhi_ | yes |
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| 16:05.22 | abhi_ | there's a link file acroread in /usr/bin |
| 16:05.42 | themill | abhi_: what's the output of "dpkg -S /usr/bin/acroread" |
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| 16:07.44 | abhi_ | adobereader-enu: /usr/bin/acroread |
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| 16:08.07 | jcm | valdyn: I'm running memtester, looping without error. Should I try memtest86+ at boot ? |
| 16:09.03 | negge | jcm: if it doesn't find any errors but you still suspect there's something wrong with your memory modules, it's worth a shot |
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| 16:10.32 | themill | abhi_: so the package name is "adobereader-enu". "aptitude purge adobereader-enu" should do it for you. For future reference, acroread is packaged for debian in the debian-multimedia repo as well. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 16:11.30 | abhi_ | thnx |
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| 16:20.53 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:20.53 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 16:26.26 | debuggerboy | is there a directory server for debian? like fedora directory server? |
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| 16:27.00 | abrotman | like .. ldap? |
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| 16:28.30 | debuggerboy | I though something like Fedora Directory server, (file sharing, directory access, centralized user, we web gui etc) |
| 16:28.57 | azeem_ | file sharing? |
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| 16:31.29 | roland- | hey, can I get the mini debian installer with ext4 support? |
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| 16:32.56 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 16:32.57 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 16:34.14 | roland- | abrotman, yes but those use cd install and I need network install, im booting an usb stick and it hangs on detecting cdrom etc |
| 16:34.57 | abrotman | roland-: use the kmuto stuff above ? |
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| 16:37.16 | roland- | well i see there is an boot.img.gz but I dunno where to add it |
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| 16:38.44 | roland- | await found it |
| 16:39.12 | mrstocks | how do i change the keyboard layout when you use hal ? (for xorg...) |
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| 16:40.48 | babilen | mrstocks: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 16:42.13 | mrstocks | will try |
| 16:42.16 | mrstocks | thx |
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| 16:43.42 | babilen | mrstocks: See also "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" if you are using squeeze/sid |
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| 16:55.21 | acquiesce__ | can i boot my debian install from cd1 my other distro didnt recongnise deb ? |
| 16:55.36 | acquiesce__ | from install disc* |
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| 16:56.03 | acquiesce__ | recognise it as in boot loader |
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| 16:56.45 | wols | yes, lenny CDs can rescue boot |
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| 16:57.16 | acquiesce__ | so when i boot up i rescue debian |
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| 16:57.37 | babilen | acquiesce__: Although i would suggest using a more full blown live cd like knoppix, grml, debian live, ... |
| 16:57.44 | wols | you load the kernel from CD and get your / from your debian installation |
| 16:58.10 | wols | there is a full blown debian which is actually on the disk he can use |
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| 16:59.01 | bugjar | remount=/? |
| 16:59.04 | acquiesce__ | yeah im using a few distros ......i was going to use ubuntu for bootloading |
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| 16:59.14 | acquiesce__ | 3 |
| 16:59.30 | acquiesce__ | but ubuntu didnt see either deb or slackware |
| 16:59.51 | acquiesce__ | i know how to boot slack just want to know howto with deb |
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| 17:01.23 | wols | you put in the cd and do a rescue boot from the debian advanced boot menu |
| 17:01.26 | wols | good enough? |
| 17:01.39 | acquiesce__ | ok ill do that |
| 17:01.45 | acquiesce__ | yeah that fine ty |
| 17:01.55 | wols | we don't do support how to use ubuntu for bootloading of any sort btw |
| 17:02.10 | acquiesce__ | np |
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| 17:02.24 | acquiesce__ | wasnt expecting it |
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| 17:06.33 | dustybin | has a debian release ever used any bits from ubuntu? |
| 17:06.58 | abhi_ | My audio does not work in pidgin 2.6.1 . i am on ubuntu 9.04. can somebody direct me on how to correct that problem |
| 17:07.01 | abhi_ | ? |
| 17:07.07 | azeem | dustybin: eh? |
| 17:07.07 | asg | dustybin: apparently ufw just entered sid so I'd say yes. |
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| 17:07.14 | dustybin | aye interesting |
| 17:07.34 | acquiesce__ | abhi_, 2.6.1 works ...im on 2.6.3 |
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| 17:07.57 | acquiesce__ | 2.6.1 does it work ? |
| 17:08.02 | acquiesce__ | for yahoo |
| 17:08.09 | abhi_ | yes |
| 17:08.18 | abhi_ | not for yahooo but gtalk |
| 17:08.33 | abhi_ | i haven't tested it for that |
| 17:08.40 | wols | abhi_: ask #ubuntu. we do not support that here |
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| 17:08.46 | acquiesce__ | oh i had to install from source get it to work with yahoo |
| 17:08.57 | acquiesce__ | im not using ubuntu |
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| 17:09.11 | wols | did I say you did? |
| 17:09.19 | acquiesce__ | nope |
| 17:09.47 | acquiesce__ | i was teling abhi |
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| 17:10.03 | abhi_ | what are u on? |
| 17:10.12 | acquiesce__ | im not slackware at moment |
| 17:10.21 | acquiesce__ | on* |
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| 17:14.29 | cr3rzemjest | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html isn't this wrong? |
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| 17:16.06 | cr3rzemjest | it's not possible to install debian from USB stick beause the installer looks for CD in cdrom drive |
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| 17:17.57 | wols | !usb install |
| 17:17.57 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:18.02 | wols | are you sure? |
| 17:18.22 | Titan8990 | unetbootin also works, not sure if its in the guides |
| 17:18.44 | acquiesce__ | wols how you install madwifi drivers instead of ath5k driver with deb |
| 17:19.13 | cr3rzemjest | wols: yes i'm sure, it tries to scan the cd while it's not possible to specify source of the packages |
| 17:19.19 | Titan8990 | acquiesce__: if you are wanting madwifi for the injection support you will want to manually compile anyways |
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| 17:19.41 | acquiesce__ | yeah Titan8990 |
| 17:19.51 | acquiesce__ | get sources from madwifi |
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| 17:20.23 | Titan8990 | acquiesce__: this is the only time you will hear me recommend manual source compiles.... follow the instructions on the aircrack-ng website of patching and install madwifi |
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| 17:21.02 | acquiesce__ | ive normally install madwifi drivers from source ...i dont like ath5k driver |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | i thought madwifi was dead upstream ? |
| 17:21.35 | Titan8990 | abrotman: it is but it still has superior injection to ath5k |
| 17:21.56 | acquiesce__ | you can configure it more to |
| 17:22.10 | acquiesce__ | no iwpriv commands with ath5k |
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| 17:23.14 | acquiesce__ | dont matter so much with monitor mode |
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| 17:26.26 | robinetd | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is empty. Has been since yesterday it seems like. Any ideas what's going on? |
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| 17:27.42 | mattgirv | robinetd: Froze until yesterday apparently |
| 17:27.43 | wols | weekly builds = testing. testing breaks. maybe the install is broken |
| 17:27.46 | mattgirv | oh wait |
| 17:27.50 | valan | first time doing netinstall, it seems to be getting stuck at vesamenu.c32 |
| 17:27.51 | mattgirv | nm |
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| 17:27.55 | wols | just install lenny and update |
| 17:27.56 | valan | any ideas here? |
| 17:28.29 | robinetd | wols: I was going to, but I figured it'd be better to just install testing and not have bits of stable left over. |
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| 17:28.46 | wols | what bits do you speak of? |
| 17:29.05 | wols | if there is a upgraded package it replaces the stable one. if there isn't, both versions are the same |
| 17:29.22 | robinetd | wols: What happens with old config files? |
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| 17:30.06 | manicman | hi |
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| 17:30.08 | wols | why would the config file names differ? |
| 17:30.27 | wols | the only I can think of is menu.lst from grub |
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| 17:31.29 | manicman | i have installed a new nic a rtl 8139. lspci looks good but ifconfig eth0 up doesnt find the interface... how can i find out how the new device is named? |
| 17:31.31 | wols | just remember that you don't need to download anything when using the 150MB netinst installer. not even install X |
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| 17:31.37 | wols | the number of packages is very small then |
| 17:31.47 | wols | manicman: ifconfig -a |
| 17:32.14 | manicman | wols: thx |
| 17:32.17 | Titan8990 | wols: it will download updated versions of the packages that exist on the netisnt |
| 17:32.25 | Titan8990 | wols: from my experience it will upgrade 4-10 packages |
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| 17:32.49 | robinetd | wols: I meant if I have a package that supplies a system config file, say /etc/profile, if I update that package and the update contains a new version of the config file, does it rename profile to profile.old or something or just blindly overwrite it and all of my changes? |
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| 17:33.16 | wols | if you haven't changed the config file it will overwrite it. if you made changes it will ask |
| 17:33.44 | robinetd | I see. Better than both of my examples. :D. thanks. |
| 17:33.45 | wols | but that is no concern of yours. you immediately upgrade to lenny in which case the new, lenny /etc/profile will be there and nothihng else |
| 17:33.53 | wols | just as if you had installed lenny directly |
| 17:34.16 | robinetd | wols: It's not my concern if the system automatically overwrites things? |
| 17:34.28 | wols | only when aprogram majorly changes like grub -> grub2 then there are old files left behind |
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| 17:34.53 | cusco | hi |
| 17:34.56 | wols | no it's not. if you upgrade a binary it is overwritten. which is exactly what you want |
| 17:35.09 | wols | and as I said: if you changed the config, it will ask you. for each one of them |
| 17:35.21 | wols | but again: since you want lenny, this is no concern of yours. at all |
| 17:35.22 | robinetd | wols: Right. But you just said it wasn't any of my concern anyways. |
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| 17:35.36 | wols | it won't. not if your initial question wasn't a lie |
| 17:35.40 | cusco | some gtk error: http://paste.debian.net/51042/ - stops me from opening gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 17:36.19 | robinetd | wols: ... My initial question was why I couldn't download Squeeze directly. |
| 17:36.55 | wols | yes. and I told you that you should install lenny and upgrade. which is the way that is proper. always |
| 17:36.57 | chomwitt | i installed ubuntu 9.10 in a secondary hdd and it changed grub legacy to grub2!! but in my debian installation i've not installed grub2. How i'm supposed to change the grub.cnf? (isnt installed in ubuntu either) |
| 17:37.07 | wols | those installers are there for testing them. NOT for actually installing debian |
| 17:37.27 | wols | chomwitt: this is a debian problem how? |
| 17:37.46 | chomwitt | wols: ..:-) sorry.. |
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| 17:37.51 | babilen | cusco: Did you check the BTS? |
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| 17:38.05 | wols | either your grub invokes the ubuntu grub2 as it did invoke ubuntu grub before or it loads the kernel directly. both times nothing really changes |
| 17:38.13 | mattgirv | chomwitt: #ubuntu |
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| 17:40.20 | nkuttler | does anybody in here sync telephone numbers etc via bluetooth to a mobile device? |
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| 17:43.11 | wols | nkuttler: better state your actual problem. read the anyone dpkg factoid |
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| 17:43.31 | nkuttler | which software does everybody in here use to sync telephone numbers etc via bluetooth to a mobile device? |
| 17:44.21 | nkuttler | wols: yeah, it's a poll. get over it. |
| 17:44.47 | wols | good luck getting a meaningful answer. you'll need it |
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| 17:45.06 | nkuttler | yeah, didn't have any luck with you |
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| 17:49.54 | petemc | xerophyte: check out the kill manpage |
| 17:50.08 | cusco | babilen: actually no. good idea, thanks |
| 17:51.04 | babilen | cusco: If it is not a known problem file a bug or dig into it. Dunno what the reason might be. |
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| 18:01.46 | roland- | hey, is there a way to upgrade to office 3 ? in lenny ? just office |
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| 18:02.19 | abrotman | !tell roland- about bpo |
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| 18:03.18 | roland- | I have bacports added, still I have office 2.4 |
| 18:03.28 | savestream | How can I save a playing stream in VLC? |
| 18:03.49 | savestream | (it's from uitzendinggemist.nl) |
| 18:04.13 | savestream | It appears that after you obtained some kind of token, you are unable to reconnect to the same stream again, which makes mplayer -dumpstreak fail, etc. |
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| 18:05.34 | hark | roland-: it won't update it automatically for you. you have to explicitly specify it |
| 18:06.11 | roland- | ahm ? |
| 18:06.37 | hark | roland-: read the instructions at backports.org |
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| 18:07.31 | abrotman | roland-: you have to explicitly install backports |
| 18:07.54 | mwarning | the debian-multimedia,org repository apparently broke my vlc. http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=67743 |
| 18:07.57 | roland- | backports are installed im using flash plugin non free and wicd from it |
| 18:08.01 | mwarning | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 18:08.31 | hark | mwarning: restore the packages to the versions in stable? |
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| 18:09.59 | roland- | ah do I have to manualy add al dependencies into preferences? |
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| 18:11.42 | pfsense_noob | hi |
| 18:11.56 | hark | roland-: something like aptitude install -t lenny-backports openoffice.org |
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| 18:13.00 | antgel | how can i use ccache to speed up kernel compilation? tried MAKEFLAGS="CC=ccache gcc" fakeroot make-kpkg kernel-image but it bails with errors |
| 18:13.30 | pfsense_noob | could you recommend a good software-firewall/router that does multi-wan routing over ip? |
| 18:13.30 | pfsense_noob | I tried pfsense, but it has the stupid restriction to have a dedicated connection to the wan-router -.- and only does round-robin for the load-balancing part... I need something smarter |
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| 18:17.20 | antgel | ah, perhaps HOSTCC="ccache gcc" |
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| 18:18.30 | debio264 | I'm sure this is somewhere on the website and I'm just not finding it, but how does Debian's release schedule work? |
| 18:18.59 | petemc | whenever a new one is ready, its released |
| 18:19.09 | mwarning | hark, I replaced my repository links in source.list with stable and reloaded the package information. When I select vlc to be installed (0.8.6.h-4+lenny2) I get "vlc: Depends: libcucul0 but it is not going to be installed". |
| 18:19.48 | icebrain | debio264: see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 18:19.49 | antgel | mwarning: and what apart from debian sources do you have in sources.list |
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| 18:20.05 | hark | mwarning: which version of debian are you running? |
| 18:20.15 | mwarning | hark, testing |
| 18:20.41 | mwarning | antgel, only the debian sources. |
| 18:20.53 | mwarning | I commented the debian-multimedia list |
| 18:20.55 | hark | mwarning: oh, then don't replace it with stable's versions, but squeeze |
| 18:21.13 | hark | mwarning: also vlc is not the package |
| 18:22.02 | mwarning | sec |
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| 18:22.20 | debio264 | icebrain: thanks |
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| 18:23.02 | mwarning | hark, vlc installs now. But the problem remains. |
| 18:23.04 | hark | mwarning: wait, put the debian-multimedia repo back again, run an aptitude update. when done let me know |
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| 18:23.34 | hark | mwarning: vlc is not the package you have to reinstall |
| 18:23.47 | debio264 | and when I install Debian... does the installer give a choice of desktop environments or leave you at a console? |
| 18:23.58 | mwarning | hark, I always select all vlc* packages |
| 18:24.04 | debio264 | (It's been a while since I used Debian, but I seem to have returned) |
| 18:24.54 | hark | debio264: it does, but if you don't want gnome you have to pick advanced options in the installer boot screen |
| 18:25.13 | Araneidae | How can I find out the name used by CUPS to publish my printer? |
| 18:25.18 | Araneidae | A little off topic, I know... |
| 18:25.30 | debio264 | hark: well, I'm just wanting a console, so that should be all good |
| 18:25.48 | debio264 | Araneidae: in the CUPS administrative interface? |
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| 18:26.13 | Araneidae | debio264, alas it gives short name and the local Device URI, but not the remote URI |
| 18:26.20 | hark | debio264: yeah, just don't select the desktop environment option then |
| 18:26.21 | mwarning | hark, no change. I've put debian-multimedia back again, using squeeze. |
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| 18:26.54 | debio264 | Araneidae: I don't have a local installation of CUPS to test with, but it should be in there somewhere |
| 18:26.55 | Araneidae | I mean, it tells me it's parallel:/dev/lp0 and called Brother_HL-1250, but not socket: or ipp: or lpd: or whatever |
| 18:27.12 | debio264 | Araneidae: then I think the remote URI would be... |
| 18:27.12 | mwarning | I've reloaded the package information every time I change the sources.list. |
| 18:27.24 | hark | mwarning: i know, pastebin the ouput of aptitude search '~S~i~Ouno' |
| 18:27.27 | debio264 | http://host:631/printers/Brother_HL-1250 |
| 18:27.30 | debio264 | or something like that |
| 18:27.30 | Araneidae | For some reason the CUPS browser on the machine I'm trying to connect from can't browse it... |
| 18:27.38 | Araneidae | worth a try... |
| 18:27.49 | debio264 | if you check the CUPS configuration for the ACLs, there should be one that pertains to this |
| 18:27.54 | debio264 | that should make it fairly obvious |
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| 18:28.06 | Araneidae | My OSX box says Queue Name is Brother_HL-1250@host |
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| 18:28.17 | mwarning | hark, http://pastebin.com/m7bcedd6e |
| 18:28.31 | debio264 | although if you're wanting CUPS <-> CUPS printer sharing, I think theres an announce option you can turn on |
| 18:28.35 | debio264 | that makes it automagical |
| 18:28.45 | Araneidae | That was what I was hoping for... |
| 18:28.46 | debio264 | at least, that's what I remember |
| 18:29.09 | Araneidae | Argh, CUPS configuration is so painful ... and then it breaks on every upgrade. |
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| 18:31.08 | hark | mwarning: i can't access it. it says unknown post id for me. |
| 18:32.10 | hark | mwarning: but do you see something like libavcodec52 etc. ? |
| 18:32.14 | debio264 | now I just have to get my ARM box running again... |
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| 18:32.40 | mwarning | hark, i A libavcodec52 |
| 18:32.44 | mwarning | ^ yes |
| 18:33.46 | mwarning | hark, maybe this one works? http://pastebin.com/m673f90f |
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| 18:35.23 | dalfz | how can i make debian console more colorful? like gentoo is? is there i.e. a package for it? |
| 18:35.24 | Araneidae | Can anybody else remember anything about CUPS configuration, please?! I'm floundering here |
| 18:35.42 | Araneidae | Trying to connect a CUPS 1.4.1 client to a CUPS 1.3.8 server, and not getting very far... |
| 18:36.04 | Araneidae | Is there a command line tool for probing printers by name, for example? |
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| 18:36.57 | debio264 | Araneidae: my first step would be to set the ACLs to allow all |
| 18:37.01 | debio264 | then get that working |
| 18:37.04 | debio264 | then get it secured |
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| 18:37.33 | Araneidae | debio264, you mean all those "Allow all" lines in my cupsd.conf file? |
| 18:37.44 | debio264 | yep |
| 18:38.00 | Araneidae | Well, how can I tell whether they're working?! |
| 18:38.22 | hark | mwarning: that works. it's those ffmpeg packages you have to reinstall. at least libavcodec52 libavformat52 libavutil50 libpostproc51 libswscale0 |
| 18:38.33 | debio264 | hrmmm |
| 18:39.10 | debio264 | unfortunately.... I don't really know |
| 18:39.13 | drasko | Hi all. I am trying to boot vanilla kernel in qemu, and I am getting message: No filesystem could mount root, tried: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 18:39.17 | hark | mwarning: i don't know of an easy aptitude command, so you'll have to do it the long way |
| 18:39.19 | debio264 | it's been a year since I've touched CUPS |
| 18:39.39 | Araneidae | debio264, that seems to be the real killer. It's in there *somewhere*. |
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| 18:39.53 | debio264 | (incidentally, it's been a year since my printer shared from Windows Vista randomly started giving access denied errors) |
| 18:40.02 | hark | mwarning: i'll show you how to do it for one of them. |
| 18:40.26 | debio264 | Cups printer sharing generally "just works" |
| 18:40.36 | debio264 | is port 631 open in your firewall? |
| 18:40.38 | mwarning | hark, thanks for your help. I will have to try later. guests are coming for video. I will use the laptop. |
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| 18:41.38 | Araneidae | Well, discovered a command `cupsctl --share-printers` ... but didn't make any difference |
| 18:41.42 | hark | mwarning: np, just remember to delete ~/.vlc/plugins*dat once done |
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| 18:43.29 | valdyn | Araneidae: it works via http, if you cant access the website then you cant print |
| 18:43.35 | valdyn | Araneidae: the url is the same too |
| 18:44.06 | Araneidae | valdyn, I have no problems accessing either CUPS server through its web site. |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | Araneidae: http://server:631/ not responding means that cups is not listing on that interface |
| 18:44.18 | valdyn | Araneidae: the *print* url is the same |
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| 18:44.23 | Araneidae | Haven't tried http: as a pritner address yet, will do now |
| 18:45.04 | valdyn | Araneidae: DeviceURI ipp://server.home:631/printers/oki-430dn |
| 18:45.26 | Araneidae | ahhha |
| 18:45.26 | valdyn | Araneidae: that one works and is from me printers.conf on the client |
| 18:45.37 | Araneidae | "printers" -- will try that now |
| 18:45.37 | valdyn | Araneidae: ( i never edited that manually ) |
| 18:45.53 | acidslep | I have had problems burning bootable discs in the past |
| 18:45.54 | Araneidae | The CUPS client should have discovered it automatically... |
| 18:46.04 | valdyn | Araneidae: should? |
| 18:46.21 | acidslep | what is the best way to verify the intregity of a burnt cd? can i simply diff the block device and the image file? |
| 18:46.55 | Araneidae | valdyn, surely? I'm running a 1.4.1 CUPS client (on Ubuntu) and it's failing to discover any network printers... |
| 18:48.12 | Araneidae | valdyn, that did the trick: manually configuring http://venus:631/printers/Brother_HL-1250 worked! TVM |
| 18:48.25 | Araneidae | Bloody CUPS |
| 18:48.27 | Araneidae | mutters |
| 18:48.48 | hjb2 | hi. I've forgot about a commonad for aptitude which allowed me to purge all old config files of packages in the "rc" state |
| 18:49.09 | hark | hjb2: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 18:49.17 | wols | Araneidae: debio264 told you that 2 minutes ago |
| 18:49.21 | wols | *20 |
| 18:49.32 | hjb2 | hark: thanks :-) |
| 18:49.56 | Araneidae | wols, not quite: I didn't get the /printers/ part of the URL |
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| 18:50.09 | hjb2 | hark: btw. since when is that possible? searching on google shows up lot of solutions chaining dpkg + grep + cut + aptitude together |
| 18:50.20 | hark | hjb2: it's all in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README :) |
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| 18:51.31 | hjb2 | hark: that's a big file, but you're pretty well right about that ;-) |
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| 18:52.41 | doublehp | syslog says << /usr/sbin/cron[1952]: (root) WRONG INODE INFO (crontabs/root) >> any clue ? |
| 18:52.47 | Araneidae | debio264, wols, sorry, I scrolled back: my mistake! |
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| 18:54.32 | hark | hjb2: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 18:56.33 | hjb2 | hark: is that available as a package? i'd love to have it installed locally, seems handy for reference |
| 18:57.04 | hark | !aptitude docs |
| 18:57.04 | dpkg | Documentation for aptitude can be found in the aptitude-doc package (to see the languages in which it is available, apt-cache showpkg aptitude-doc) or at http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/index.html . Also ask me about <aptitude search><aptitude-build-dep><aptitude clone><aptitude-fu>, or <aptitude debug> |
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| 18:57.55 | hjb2 | hark: :) |
| 18:58.49 | hjb2 | error: Problems detected: package mplayer left obsolete init.d script behind, package timidity left obsolete init.d script behind |
| 18:59.12 | hjb2 | i get that after "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc' |
| 18:59.40 | drasko | Hi all, I am trying to select some IDE drivers in menuconfig, but it gives me M or nothing. How to forcr these drivers to build into the kernel? |
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| 19:01.01 | patrikf | drasko, you probably have some dependency of that driver selected to build as module |
| 19:01.01 | ScreaminIke | can uh.... can anyone here help me with gyachi? i have it configged and installed (methinks,) but i can't find anything on how to actually use the voice chat in Yahoo! |
| 19:01.14 | hark | hjb2: check using dpkg -S /etc/init.d/foomplayerscript |
| 19:01.15 | ScreaminIke | like... how to choose a server, etc |
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| 19:01.51 | hjb2 | hark: i've done that, it shows that the conf is from package "mplayer" |
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| 19:02.10 | Gaston_Lagaffe | hello |
| 19:02.28 | Gaston_Lagaffe | is there anyone speaking french here ? |
| 19:02.44 | doublehp | Gaston_Lagaffe: y |
| 19:02.52 | doublehp | syslog says << /usr/sbin/cron[1952]: (root) WRONG INODE INFO (crontabs/root) >> any clue ? |
| 19:02.55 | ScreaminIke | a little german, some spanish. not french |
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| 19:03.03 | petemc | !fr |
| 19:03.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:03.11 | Gaston_Lagaffe | merci |
| 19:03.13 | hark | hjb2: check the bts, i know the timidity is a known issue and there is a bug report for it |
| 19:03.25 | hjb2 | hark ok, thanks |
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| 19:03.41 | hjb2 | so i cannot upgrade to dependycy-based init right now |
| 19:03.45 | doublehp | why does init relaucnhes my process 10 times in 2 minutes when it crashes instead of waiting 5mn with message "respawn too fast" ? I did *NOT* put the "+" option |
| 19:03.45 | crazy2k | Hello. Anyone did a netboot? |
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| 19:04.13 | doublehp | crazy2k: Y |
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| 19:04.55 | hjb2 | btw. how can i see from which source of the sources.list a specific package comes? |
| 19:05.05 | xhairball | hjb2: I ran into that as well. IIRC all I had to do was purge timidity. I would check the bug report, but I'm sure it says something similar. |
| 19:05.11 | jrib | hjb2: apt-cache policy PACKAGE will show you what's available |
| 19:05.14 | hark | hjb2: apt-cache policy foo |
| 19:05.40 | hark | hjb2: for mplayer, it's also been reported. all you have to do is rm /etc/init.d/mplayer for now |
| 19:06.05 | hjb2 | hark: yes found it, thanks |
| 19:06.18 | hjb2 | hark i've got the version from debian-multimedia installed |
| 19:06.20 | crazy2k | doublehp: I have the tftp server and the client both connected to a router. Is it possible to make the client boot this way? I mean, the router is the one with the DHCP server. |
| 19:06.49 | hjb2 | crazy2k: i've got excatly the same question on my mind ;-) |
| 19:07.00 | hjb2 | crazy2k: but had no time to figure it out yet |
| 19:07.05 | crazy2k | hjb2: Really? |
| 19:07.17 | hjb2 | crazy2k: yeah |
| 19:07.19 | crazy2k | hjb2: I've been told it's possible if I turn off the DHCP server in the router. |
| 19:07.23 | doublehp | which arch do you boot ? |
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| 19:07.35 | crazy2k | hjb2: And set up a DHCP server on the tftp server. |
| 19:07.39 | hjb2 | crazy2k: i don't want to do that |
| 19:07.41 | crazy2k | doublehp: x86? |
| 19:07.59 | pooper | bowel movement |
| 19:08.03 | doublehp | crazy2k: what's your boot process ? BIOS ? network card ? firmware ? |
| 19:08.12 | hjb2 | crazy2k: just was curious if there's another way not involving moving the dhcp server from router to another machine |
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| 19:08.35 | crazy2k | doublehp: It's an eeepc. It can boot from LAN. It asks me whether I want to use PXE. |
| 19:08.38 | pooper | feces |
| 19:08.42 | pngwn | pooper, go be stupid elsewhere |
| 19:08.43 | dalfz | is there a package with a /etc/bash.bashrc providing a nice colorful session? |
| 19:09.03 | doublehp | crazy2k: i know a dozen of netboot mecanismes |
| 19:09.16 | doublehp | crazy2k: which PXE version ? |
| 19:09.46 | acidslep | dalfz, edit your bashrc. the default one has colorful stuff commented out so you can enable it easily. |
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| 19:10.22 | crazy2k | doublehp: Uhm.. I don't know. Should I find that information in the BIOS? |
| 19:10.40 | doublehp | crazy2k: what's your point anyway ? are all machines on the same side of the router ? which kind of router ? NAT ? where is your DHCP ? |
| 19:10.41 | dalfz | acidslep, i see, but is there a global one with colors? |
| 19:10.50 | pooper | defecate |
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| 19:11.12 | doublehp | crazy2k: PXE version is given by the PXE client. Can be either the network card, or the bios itself. I don't know the eeePC |
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| 19:11.45 | doublehp | crazy2k: I have problems with intel cards using different PXE version than Debian standard DHCP server ... |
| 19:11.51 | doublehp | 1.2 vs 2.0 |
| 19:11.56 | acidslep | dalfz, not by default and i know of no package that does so. but you can copy the colorful parts of your own bashrc into the /etc one to make it global. |
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| 19:12.17 | acidslep | messing with root's colors is not generally done, for saftey i think. |
| 19:12.34 | acidslep | but what would i know, i can't spell safety |
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| 19:12.43 | crazy2k | doublehp: DHCP server on the router. However, I can turn it off. I don't know much about networks. If I turn the DHCP off on the server, and set up a DHCP server on the machine which hosts the tftp server, will the tftp client machine be able to get its IP from the DHCP server? |
| 19:12.45 | dalfz | acidslep, ah yes. thanks! |
| 19:13.06 | wahjava | crazy2k, yes..ofcourse |
| 19:13.20 | crazy2k | Ok. Maybe I should try that before. |
| 19:13.25 | doublehp | crazy2k: in short, PXE from recent x86 should work easily. Even the DHCP server may not be in your LAN segment, providing the router/gateway can forward DHCP requests somewhere else. TFTP and further services can be as far as you want (even opposite side of the earth: there are "internet boot servers" ) |
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| 19:14.00 | doublehp | crazy2k: TFTP and DHCP don't have to be on the same machine |
| 19:14.17 | doublehp | crazy2k: your home made DHCP can provide same infos as the router if you configure it properly |
| 19:15.05 | doublehp | crazy2k: you can have both DHCP running; the PXE client should/could querry DHCP (who will both answer alternatively) untill it get's a PXE compatible answer - at least, that's how it works for me |
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| 19:15.20 | crazy2k | doublehp: Thing is I tried having the tftp server on this machine, and the DHCP server on the router. But then the client machine gets its IP correctly from the DHCP server, but can't find the files to boot from. |
| 19:15.24 | benedikt | what is the package for the gnome printing utility called? |
| 19:15.42 | benedikt | crazy2k: have you set the dhcp options correctly? |
| 19:15.45 | crazy2k | doublehp: Oh. Cool. |
| 19:15.56 | doublehp | my two DHCP provide even different services; netboot clients just querry (broadcast); the the wrong answers, they try again (because of missing PXE content, they just are "not happy", and try again :D ) |
| 19:16.04 | crazy2k | doublehp: I'll set up the DHCP server on this machine too, and give it a try. Thanks. |
| 19:16.05 | abrotman | benedikt: apt-cache search gnome cups ? |
| 19:16.26 | doublehp | crazy2k: maybe your router can provide PXE answers (or not :D ) |
| 19:16.41 | benedikt | abrotman: i though it was gnome-cups-manager or something, but that doesnt seem to exist. |
| 19:16.44 | doublehp | PXE 2.0 answers are quiet easy to generate: just provide 3 more fields |
| 19:16.58 | abrotman | benedikt: it's probably in another package |
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| 19:17.04 | crazy2k | doublehp: Uhmm.. I don't think so. It's a Linksys WRT54G2 |
| 19:17.12 | benedikt | abrotman: is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:17.13 | doublehp | crazy2k: just make your machine provide the right ... IP range, gateway, DNs, and domain name, should be enough |
| 19:17.20 | abrotman | benedikt: i don't own a printer |
| 19:17.33 | doublehp | Linksys ... that's 3COM right ? |
| 19:17.42 | crazy2k | Cisco. |
| 19:17.51 | crazy2k | doublehp: Let me give it a try. If it doesn't work, I'll ask you again :) |
| 19:18.08 | doublehp | after the web configuration, do you have a more "manual" way to set it up ? |
| 19:18.16 | doublehp | maybe ssh on it, and alter manually the conf |
| 19:18.28 | doublehp | (exactly the same way you WILL do it on your PC anyway :D ) |
| 19:18.44 | abrotman | benedikt: is this just to set one up? you probably want ot use the CUPS thing |
| 19:18.53 | crazy2k | doublehp: It's easier here :) |
| 19:19.05 | doublehp | crazy2k: either the device offers you a web way to edit the raw file, or, ssh on it :) |
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| 19:19.30 | doublehp | crazy2k: having two DHCP is better anyway :) one's always up :) |
| 19:19.50 | doublehp | (and on different UPS of course :D ) |
| 19:19.51 | hark | benedikt: system-config-printer iirc |
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| 19:20.19 | doublehp | syslog says << /usr/sbin/cron[1952]: (root) WRONG INODE INFO (crontabs/root) >> any clue ? |
| 19:20.25 | setuid | Anyone know a place to pick up the latest Subversion debs, for Lenny? (1.5.1 is latest in Lenny, I need 1.6.5 or later, to use the secure password encryption) |
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| 19:20.58 | benedikt | hark: just figured it out. thanks :) |
| 19:21.41 | xhairball | judd versions subversion |
| 19:21.43 | judd | xhairball: subversion -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-security: 1.4.2dfsg1-3 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-4 squeeze: 1.6.3dfsg-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.4dfsg-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.6dfsg-1 |
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| 19:22.37 | setuid | xhairball, Where do I configure "backports" for Lenny? |
| 19:22.42 | setuid | Just backports.debian.org? |
| 19:22.47 | xhairball | setuid: I wouldn't upgrade to sid just for that. If 1.6.5+ is a requirement, I would compile it manually. |
| 19:22.56 | xhairball | setuid: backports is 1.6.4. You said you needed 1.6.5+ |
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| 19:23.18 | setuid | Anything less than 1.6 stores user's passwords in cleartext in $HOME, and that's forbidden when using NFS at our bank |
| 19:23.31 | setuid | 1.6.4 is fine, I can deal with the minor differences between 1.6.4 and 1.6.5 |
| 19:23.43 | benedikt | how about pin it fro unstable? |
| 19:23.43 | setuid | 1.6.5 was the latest, that's why I suggested that version |
| 19:23.53 | benedikt | from* |
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| 19:24.03 | benedikt | or squeeze if 1.6.3 is ok |
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| 19:24.24 | hark | !tell setuid about bpo |
| 19:24.35 | setuid | apt-get -t lenny-backports install subversion |
| 19:24.42 | hjb2 | crazy2k: are you plainning to document your setup anywhere? |
| 19:25.07 | hjb2 | crazy2k: i'd like to read and try it, too |
| 19:25.28 | setuid | # svn --version |
| 19:25.29 | setuid | svn, version 1.6.4 (r38063) |
| 19:25.29 | setuid | yay |
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| 19:30.00 | crazy2k | doublehp: I've found something (I know it's Ubuntu's documentation, but it may be useful): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet |
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| 19:30.29 | crazy2k | doublehp: They're not installing a new DHCP server, nor changing any options in the one they have. |
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| 19:30.47 | crazy2k | doublehp: They install bootp though, apart from the tftp server. |
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| 19:31.58 | doublehp | crazy2k: one of the many tutos ... |
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| 19:32.56 | doublehp | crazy2k: they DO alter DHCP !!! |
| 19:33.21 | doublehp | bootp is optionnal; depends on your DHCP version and PXE required |
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| 19:33.45 | mix25 | There is a channel for flex lexical analyser? |
| 19:34.12 | simonrvn | tried #flex perhaps? |
| 19:34.33 | mix25 | i tried, it's something about adobe flex ... |
| 19:34.49 | simonrvn | damn :( |
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| 19:34.56 | lhasbs | when i use vnc to connect to X, the keyborad is not US keys |
| 19:34.59 | simonrvn | or #lex maybe |
| 19:35.15 | simonrvn | no such channel |
| 19:35.16 | mix25 | in #lex there is nothing |
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| 19:35.30 | doublehp | crazy2k: the problem of netboot is that the server only knows the client's MAC; this a BIG problem when you boot different arch: x86 netboot zones can't work on alpha or Sun. You could make a list of MAC s you have around; but if you move a NIC from a x86 to an AMD64 ... the the conf is bad again. |
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| 19:36.04 | lhasbs | when i use vnc to connect to X, the keyborad is not US keys |
| 19:36.11 | doublehp | crazy2k: so, either the DHCP server knows all MACs, or it must assume any unknown client will belong to one predefined arch. If wrong, boot fails. |
| 19:36.12 | setuid | lhasbs, You said that. |
| 19:36.48 | simonrvn | !tell lhasbs -about repeat |
| 19:37.23 | doublehp | lhasbs: I never had this problem in 10 years .... and I did many nasty things ! |
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| 19:39.35 | crazy2k | doublehp: Where does it touch the DHCP server? I can't see it. |
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| 19:40.55 | benedikt | allright.. package with drivers for canon printer |
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| 19:41.03 | benedikt | google and apt-cache of no help |
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| 19:42.51 | doublehp | crazy2k: bottom: << Here is my current dhcpd.conf >> # You need a next-server option if TFTP and DHCPd aren't on the same system. next-server sahara; |
| 19:42.58 | doublehp | that's one of the two magical features :) |
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| 19:43.42 | doublehp | literaly, it means: << I am the DHCP, your first server; when you are done with me, go to see my mate, the "next server" after me, the second you should visit: sahara |
| 19:44.10 | doublehp | there is an alternative syntax that depends on the client version and requirements |
| 19:44.10 | simonrvn | lhasbs: #vnc |
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| 19:51.52 | crazy2k | doublehp: It worked. I didn't have to touch my dhcp server nor install a dhcp server myself (unless bootpd is also a dhcp server). |
| 19:52.09 | crazy2k | doublehp: I used the first method in that HOWTO. |
| 19:52.49 | simonrvn | bootp is a subset of dhcp |
| 19:53.21 | crazy2k | Oh. |
| 19:53.33 | doublehp | crazy2k: some bootp can include a DHCP |
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| 20:02.19 | doublehp | cron problem: http://pastebin.com/d7d2df4b3 please any idea ? |
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| 20:08.30 | doublehp | when i kill a process started by inittab more than 10 times per minute, i don't get the "respawn too fast" in syslog. any clue ? |
| 20:08.38 | doublehp | is this chan dead ? |
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| 20:09.43 | doublehp | feels alone and cold |
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| 20:10.06 | dutchfish | doublehp, is you disk too occupied? |
| 20:10.22 | dutchfish | doublehp, or hardware trouble? |
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| 20:10.53 | doublehp | dutchfish: I have free space and isodes. Which kind of trouble do you speak of ? |
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| 20:11.17 | dutchfish | doublehp, maybe a broken disk |
| 20:11.38 | dutchfish | doubleclick, this is lenny rigth? |
| 20:12.10 | doublehp | dutchfish: how do i check this on a live machine ? |
| 20:12.52 | dutchfish | doubleclick, what does dmesg tell you? syslog maybe; and you can check if you shedule a fchk on next boot |
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| 20:13.02 | Wazzzaaa | I try to resize an ext4 partition in parted and get the error: "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled". Any ideas hwo to solve this? |
| 20:13.28 | doublehp | dutchfish: i am 2hp ... |
| 20:13.29 | dutchfish | doubleclick, ext3 and debian lenny? |
| 20:13.44 | dutchfish | oops my fault |
| 20:13.51 | doublehp | dutchfish: dmesg syslog and messages say nothing about disk |
| 20:14.02 | doublehp | (but also say nothing about "respawinf too fast :/ ) |
| 20:14.10 | dutchfish | is this ext3 fs? |
| 20:14.20 | doublehp | deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 20:14.28 | doublehp | ext3 , rarely updated |
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| 20:14.40 | doublehp | compact flash, sync every 5mn to avoid burning it |
| 20:14.44 | Marianita | 7:10 qeast.net *** G-lined |
| 20:14.44 | Marianita | 17:10 qeast.net *** Banned flood/spam (2009/11/8 15.10) |
| 20:14.44 | Marianita | - |
| 20:14.44 | Marianita | 17:10 Closing Link: 192-39-223-201.adsl.terra.cl (*** Banned ) |
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| 20:15.31 | Marianita | Te invitamos a escuchar la nueva radio del servidor en http://www.planeta-yerba.com o http://www.ircadictos.com y si tienes winamp / ares / windows media player / Itunes hazlo con la url http://radiodivadigital.net:8085 Para pedir un tema puedes hacerlo en el msn, radiodivadigital@hotmail.com Te esperamos!! |
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| 20:15.44 | dutchfish | doublehp, and stock kernel up 2 date? |
| 20:15.47 | doublehp | BAN requested |
| 20:16.05 | doublehp | no |
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| 20:16.10 | doublehp | i just never reboot it |
| 20:16.26 | dutchfish | doubleclick, ok, what kernel? |
| 20:16.34 | doubleclick | :) |
| 20:16.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm dd-ing a complete OS from the eeepc to a partition on an external HDD, I created a partition exactly the same size according to fdisk -l but dd is giving me "not enough space on the device" :( I am not really able to repartition the hdd as it has loads of data on it now. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 20:16.46 | dutchfish | doubleclick, sorry |
| 20:16.59 | dutchfish | doublehp, what kernel atm? |
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| 20:17.05 | doublehp | 2.6.21-2-486 . Google just say "dont edit crontab manually, but use cron -e" |
| 20:17.06 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: what os? |
| 20:17.13 | jpinx-eeepc | lenny |
| 20:17.14 | doubleclick | dutchfish: no worry ;) |
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| 20:17.25 | doubleclick | don't worry* |
| 20:17.38 | doublehp | gives a beer to doubleclick |
| 20:18.16 | kabniel | hmm, "Free VPS" spam on #debian join? users wlf4 and F444 |
| 20:18.17 | dutchfish | doublehp, i strongly suggest to get latest security fixes along with the kernel |
| 20:18.32 | jdavis | I am using ntfs-3g, and it doesn't want to unmount the volume. There's a process mount.ntfs-3g that's still running, and I don't know what started it or how to safely shut it down. |
| 20:18.45 | jpinx-eeepc | kabniel: tell ops ? |
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| 20:19.22 | jpinx-eeepc | jdavis: did it start as an automount in Gnome or some-such? |
| 20:19.31 | doublehp | dutchfish: what would security fixes change ? |
| 20:19.38 | dutchfish | !kernel |
| 20:19.39 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091106, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.5 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.38 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
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| 20:19.53 | dutchfish | mmm |
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| 20:20.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jdavis: I have had something similar in the apst and I left it to settle and killed the process without ill-effects, but ymmv |
| 20:20.48 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: hmm... ok |
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| 20:21.06 | dutchfish | doublehp, from the top of my hat, that kernel had some issues, if you are on lenny i believe its 2.6.26 atm |
| 20:21.20 | dustybin | does ssh-server run as root user? |
| 20:21.21 | jpinx-eeepc | jdavis: go and have a coffee and kill it when you come back ;) |
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| 20:22.10 | jelly-one | dustybin, it has to. |
| 20:22.22 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: ok, thanks. |
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| 20:22.45 | Wazzzaaa | I try to resize an ext4 partition in parted and get the error: "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled". Any ideas hwo to solve this? |
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| 20:22.50 | dustybin | jelly-one: does that mean, if openssh-server got hacked, the hacker could get root privs ?\ |
| 20:22.51 | dutchfish | doublehp, http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1929 |
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| 20:23.00 | dutchfish | thx |
| 20:23.03 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: hmm... regular TERM is not doing anything to it. |
| 20:23.18 | doublehp | dutchfish: would that fix my cron ? |
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| 20:23.24 | themill | thanks, kabniel |
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| 20:23.31 | jelly-one | dustybin, it depends on where the vulnerability is. openssh drops its privileges as soon as it can. |
| 20:23.36 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: nevermind, it went away |
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| 20:23.53 | dustybin | jelly-one: should open-ssh server run in a chroot? |
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| 20:24.05 | dutchfish | doubleclick, if you have unreported inode problems, i would first look at the kernel |
| 20:24.10 | jelly-one | dustybin, that wouldn't work for interactive shell users. |
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| 20:24.24 | dutchfish | doublehp, asuming you dont have a hardware problem |
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| 20:24.25 | dustybin | aye indeed |
| 20:24.29 | jelly-one | dustybin, it might work if you only got sftp users. |
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| 20:25.02 | dustybin | open-ssh server code must be rock solid secure |
| 20:25.10 | doublehp | dutchfish: the only direct access from outside to this machine is using ping6 and HTTP requests on hidden ports ( not 80 ) . I me _I_ don't know the SSH password (RSA ) |
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| 20:25.41 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: oh, if it helps, it was originally mounted because it's USB, and I plugged it in. Does that matter |
| 20:25.45 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: ? |
| 20:25.51 | doublehp | dutchfish: most forums say: reinstall the service, and stop editing by hand |
| 20:26.25 | dutchfish | doublehp, true, debian has a fine system and you dont have to use crontab at all |
| 20:26.49 | dutchfish | doublehp, but that doesnt explain unlisted inode errors |
| 20:27.38 | doublehp | where does crontab -e store it's files ? neither /etc or /root . /var ? it's huge, i cant grep it |
| 20:27.39 | dutchfish | doublehp, and you prolly have verified whats there as cronjobs, right? |
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| 20:28.53 | dutchfish | doubleclick, i dont know because i use /etc/cron.xxx and put my scripts in there |
| 20:29.04 | valdyn | doublehp: /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 20:29.21 | durammx | hi! Can anyone tell me how to change the display manager? |
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| 20:30.11 | doublehp | dutchfish: empty or trivial file makes it ... but crontab -e gave me sth interesting: some cron task point to inexistant directory ... |
| 20:30.21 | doublehp | */5 * * * * /bin/run-parts /etc/cron.mrtg 1> /dev/null |
| 20:30.30 | doublehp | while /etc/cron.mrtg does not exist |
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| 20:30.58 | dutchfish | doublehp, and you used crontab as root? |
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| 20:32.19 | durammx | I want to use the Orthos dm http://e-x-a.org/?view=orthos |
| 20:32.54 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 20:32.54 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
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| 20:35.38 | gasull | Hi. How do I install tork without installing konqueror |
| 20:35.41 | gasull | ?+ |
| 20:35.46 | doublehp | dutchfish: valdyn that was it :) comment the bad line in that /var/spool crontab, and that's all :) |
| 20:36.04 | doublehp | dutchfish: message "bad inode" is then simple to explain : |
| 20:36.32 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.40 | doublehp | what is just ... impossible :) |
| 20:36.42 | dutchfish | ah ic |
| 20:36.56 | dutchfish | ok |
| 20:36.57 | doublehp | i ll report that on a forum for posterity |
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| 20:37.44 | dutchfish | doublehp, it would be better if the script was simply put into /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 20:39.33 | peterrooney | gasull: it's only a recommend, not a depends |
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| 20:40.10 | gasull | peterrooney: If I do aptitude install tork it tries to install konqueror and then says dpkg is broken |
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| 20:40.37 | peterrooney | gasull: so, use apt-get install tork - but probably a VERY good idea to fix dpkg, first |
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| 20:41.29 | babilen | wonders how tork managed to break dpkg |
| 20:41.36 | valdyn | gasull: theres a point in reading error messages completely |
| 20:41.45 | valdyn | gasull: it doesnt say that dpkg is broken |
| 20:42.08 | flami | Hi , I have a problem with cups. for some reason I cant print pdfs on this box , but i can when I use another one and use the printer on this box. I get a weird error in the logs :" /usr/lib/cups/filter/cpdftocps: line 59: �i: command not found " . any ideas what to check ? |
| 20:42.15 | peterrooney | gasull: on my system, niether apt-get or aptitude pull in konqueror |
| 20:42.32 | Rusty1 | can somebody give me the correct syntax to remove a <package> using dpkg and remove-reinstreq |
| 20:42.47 | themill | judd recommends tork |
| 20:42.47 | gasull | valdyn, peterrooney: apt-get seems to be working |
| 20:42.48 | judd | themill: tork -- Recommends: konqueror, tor, privoxy |
| 20:43.09 | gasull | It seems that aptitude installs what is recommended |
| 20:43.10 | valdyn | flami: read that file, line 59 |
| 20:43.20 | valdyn | flami: should be $i probably |
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| 20:44.21 | valdyn | flami: or neither nor |
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| 20:44.51 | valdyn | flami: or try reinstalling the cups package |
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| 20:45.44 | valdyn | Rusty1: or read the manpage yourself? |
| 20:46.54 | peterrooney | Rusty1: it's a good idea to install bash-completion and configure your shell to use it. |
| 20:47.09 | Rusty1 | valdyn you should spend more time helping others on IRC |
| 20:47.15 | flami | valdyn: well i got " 59: �i: " "59: �]:" , and the same in another file ( differetn line . neither have a ] nor i in them ^^ |
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| 20:47.30 | valdyn | flami: why is taht file broken? |
| 20:47.39 | valdyn | flami: you must have broken hardware |
| 20:47.46 | valdyn | flami: reinstall the cups package anyway |
| 20:48.03 | flami | well I opened it with vi and the line looks fine to me |
| 20:49.05 | valdyn | flami: broken hardware i say, try memtest or somesuch |
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| 20:50.36 | babilen | might also be an encoding problem. The � looks like 'replace' was used in the decoding process to render the error message |
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| 20:50.49 | babilen | flami: Try reinstalling the package.. |
| 20:51.04 | flami | well reinstalling didnt help |
| 20:53.02 | flami | Hum seems that it calls the pdftops args with ... �] ▒pr @4r `�i `�] ... |
| 20:53.18 | kristian1 | Torchlight is a great new game made by Runic Games. Some of the developers behind Torchlight were also behind Diablo 1 and 2. The game is currently Windows only, but they might make a Linux version. Here is some game info: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/torchlight/review.html?part=rss&subj=6238401 If you like what you see, register and make your voice heard here: http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=901 |
| 20:53.21 | doublehp | dutchfish: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6048408.html#6048408 |
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| 20:53.37 | babilen | kristian1: Please don't to that again |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | kristian1: no spam please |
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| 20:54.32 | kristian1 | babilen & valdyn : ok sorry. hope they make a linux version though. |
| 20:54.41 | simonrvn | !kill kristian1 |
| 20:54.41 | dpkg | rips off kristian1's balls with a large trout |
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| 20:55.01 | kristian1 | :-p |
| 20:55.03 | tonyb486 | !kill tonyb486 |
| 20:55.04 | dpkg | mangles tonyb486 with a Knoppix CD |
| 20:55.17 | abrotman | kristian1: go spam somewhere else |
| 20:55.18 | tonyb486 | I never knew dpkg had it in him |
| 20:55.21 | flami | dpkg is really pissed off it seems |
| 20:55.21 | dpkg | flami: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 20:55.22 | peterrooney | welll, dpkg, that wasn't too hard, was it |
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| 20:55.24 | kristian1 | you all have to admit that it would be nice if a linux version came though. |
| 20:55.31 | abrotman | kristian1: go away, last warning |
| 20:55.46 | kristian1 | abrotman: ok, ill keep quiet. |
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| 20:56.18 | peterrooney | kristian1: looks like spam, quacks like spam, it must be... a debian specific question? |
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| 20:56.43 | dutchfish | doubleclick, clear |
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| 20:58.43 | flami | he funny I can print a picture of the pdf though. |
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| 21:07.17 | yitz_ | Any recommended tools for viewing RAW photos? I like feh but it doesn't support RAW |
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| 21:08.38 | cahoot | ufraw |
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| 21:10.10 | yitz_ | Thanks cahoot |
| 21:10.40 | cahoot | yitz_: personally I bought bibble |
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| 21:10.55 | Nemurenai | Hey. I'm trying to install Lenny on a Qube3. To do this, I need to netboot it. It mounts / ok from the NFS server, but then does a kernel panic with "Kernel too old" - any idea what that means? |
| 21:11.08 | cahoot | yitz_: but there are a few apps to handle raw |
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| 21:11.21 | cahoot | s/apps/free apps/ |
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| 21:14.59 | yitz_ | Cool. ufraw is interesting. I never really played with RAW files before. Mostly I shoot jpeg |
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| 21:19.56 | mwarning | hark, problem solved now! I will update the forum post for others. |
| 21:20.24 | tensorpudding | the problem with RAW is that there is more than one RAW format |
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| 21:21.18 | hark | mwarning: how did you fix it? |
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| 21:22.04 | mwarning | hark, I've removed vlc and the libs you have told me. Deleted any cached files and reinstalled vlc. |
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| 21:22.21 | yitz_ | tensorpudding: Mmm. ufraw seems to deal well with my Nikon raw (NEF). It's interesting playing with the sliders |
| 21:23.16 | bruce | greetings. I've been unable to resolve why my "connect to server" connections will show on the desktop but not under ~/.gvfs.. I'm running lenny and can't find any documentation on gvfs. Google turns up a bazillion bug hits. Is this a known issue or do I need to config something? |
| 21:24.03 | bruce | also, the little i did find recommended i add myself to the fuse group, which i've done with no change in results. |
| 21:24.50 | hark | mwarning: ah ok. though removing vlc is not required. btw vlc works here with dmm on sid |
| 21:25.07 | mwarning | k |
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| 21:27.55 | filePeter | Hi, why does my Lenny AMD64 not have snd-usb-audio loadable? |
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| 21:30.49 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 21:30.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 21:31.58 | filePeter | markybob: ? Is snd-usb-audio still in lenny-kernels? |
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| 21:34.14 | bruce | further info on my .gvfs issue... a ps axl shows two gvfs processes... one is gvfsd and the other is gvfs-fuse-daemon. the gvfs-fuse-daemon is showing ~/.gvfs as an argument. |
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| 21:34.21 | markybob | filePeter, grep CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO in your /boot/config-ver# |
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| 21:35.17 | filePeter | markybob: Wow, totally forgot that one… Thx… |
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| 21:35.36 | bruce | /usr/lib/gvfs//gvfs-fuse-daemon /home/bruce/.gvfs ... would that extra / keep it from creating files in my ~/.gvfs? |
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| 21:41.42 | at0m | bruce: in short, no. but it's easy to try: /bin//ls |
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| 21:45.33 | dustybin | is there a way to search for text in memory? |
| 21:45.41 | dustybin | imagine i logged into a server as a user |
| 21:46.02 | dustybin | would i have permission to view the whole servers memory? |
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| 21:46.22 | Mark21 | dustybin: depends on the settings |
| 21:46.38 | dustybin | what do you mean? |
| 21:46.48 | dustybin | i would like to sniff the memory of a box |
| 21:46.52 | bruce | i also have gnome-vfs-2.0/gnome-vfs-daemon running. is it still required when gvfs is installed? |
| 21:47.18 | dustybin | i remember in the amiga days, one had special tools to view memory |
| 21:47.28 | dustybin | one could rip stuff out of the memory |
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| 21:48.40 | bruce | would /proc/kcore have all memory of the box? |
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| 21:50.46 | dbuduru | I am running Debian as a guest OS using VBox, I connected a USB hard drive and I have it setup such that Debian captures it when I plug it in. I am facing a couple of issues - 1. Only root can access the data and 2. The drive is read-only. Is there a way I can change it to have other users access the USB hard disk and also have the capability to write to the USB Hard disk |
| 21:51.15 | dustybin | bruce: i mean stuff what is currently in RAM |
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| 21:54.10 | jpinx-eeepc | jdavis: yes -- I did ask you if it was automounted ;) |
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| 21:55.01 | simonrvn | dustybin: still can |
| 21:55.19 | simonrvn | dustybin: /proc/kcore like bruce said |
| 21:55.32 | jpinx-eeepc | jdavis: 15:17 < jpinx-eeepc> jdavis: did it start as an automount in Gnome or some-such? |
| 21:55.41 | simonrvn | don't try to view that thing with mc ;) |
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| 21:55.53 | dustybin | simonrvn: surely a normal user wouldnt be able to view the whole of /proc/kcore as it might contain root stuff etc |
| 21:56.31 | simonrvn | no, of course not. it's 600 root:root |
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| 21:56.51 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 21:56.53 | simonrvn | oh wait |
| 21:56.57 | simonrvn | 400 sorry |
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| 21:57.11 | dustybin | simonrvn: could any user have the permission to view the whole content of whats in RAM ? |
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| 21:57.49 | simonrvn | dunno, tbf, i just know you can access it that way. i haven't done much digging beyond that. |
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| 21:57.57 | HSorgYves | i have a "problem" with php sessions; as far as I found out Debian uses a cron to delete php sessions, can anyone confirm this behaviour? |
| 21:57.58 | bruce | no.. segmented mem, and permissions. they could view mem of processes they own i assume. |
| 21:58.13 | dustybin | ohh interesting |
| 21:58.25 | dustybin | the users memory is segmented |
| 21:58.29 | abrotman | HSorgYves: they have a timeout ... |
| 21:58.34 | simonrvn | bruce: iirc that's exactly it is |
| 21:58.41 | simonrvn | exactly what* |
| 21:59.04 | HSorgYves | abrotman: ? which means? |
| 21:59.30 | abrotman | HSorgYves: what's the timeout on your PHP sessions ? |
| 21:59.39 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: it's configurable |
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| 22:00.02 | bruce | don't suppose anyone is runny lenny and has network shares mounted on a gnome desktop with that same shares showing up under their ~/.gvfs directory? |
| 22:00.10 | bruce | s/runny/running/ |
| 22:00.16 | HSorgYves | abrotman: 1440 by default; but my sessions do not expire after that time, while they expire a some time later |
| 22:00.23 | simonrvn | runny lenny, i hope not :P |
| 22:00.30 | bruce | :) |
| 22:00.37 | jelly-one | HSorgYves, the cron job is supposed to delete session file that haven't been accessed that long or more |
| 22:00.46 | simonrvn | that'd be messy |
| 22:00.49 | jdavis | jpinx-eeepc: oops, sorry, I missed that message. Is it normal to have to kill an automounted device? |
| 22:01.03 | simonrvn | jdavis: no |
| 22:01.54 | jcm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.55 | HSorgYves | simonrvn: sure |
| 22:02.28 | jdavis | simonrvn: oh, ok. I had a mount.ntfs process running, and the only way I could unmount the device is by sending SIGTERM to the mount.ntfs process. |
| 22:02.40 | HSorgYves | abrotman: can you explain why session do not expire after 1440 seconds while they do after the cron ran? |
| 22:03.01 | abrotman | nope! |
| 22:03.31 | bruce | jcm: after lotsa network traffic? |
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| 22:04.00 | HSorgYves | abrotman: so this should not be working like this? |
| 22:04.19 | HSorgYves | jelly-one: well, in the php.ini i do read something else about garbage collection |
| 22:04.21 | abrotman | HSorgYves: i just don't remember a cron task that cleans them |
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| 22:04.54 | HSorgYves | abrotman: /etc/cron.d/php5 exists on my system, not on yours? |
| 22:05.04 | abrotman | lenny? |
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| 22:06.12 | abrotman | HSorgYves: yeah it does .. moment |
| 22:06.27 | HSorgYves | afaik yes |
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| 22:06.31 | abrotman | HSorgYves: it's telling you that if the session is expired already, it will clean it up |
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| 22:07.06 | HSorgYves | it deletes the files with time older than maxlifetime |
| 22:07.43 | abrotman | right |
| 22:07.58 | HSorgYves | abrotman: but my sessions only expire at some strange time, not after 1440 seconds |
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| 22:08.33 | abrotman | HSorgYves: if the session is still in use, it won't expire |
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| 22:09.08 | HSorgYves | abrotman: of course not, but if i don't touch the browser for 25 minutes it should |
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| 22:09.20 | abrotman | HSorgYves: which is what is happening or not ? |
| 22:09.37 | HSorgYves | abrotman: which is NOT happening unfortunately |
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| 22:10.08 | abrotman | HSorgYves: so they're not being cleaned up at all? or they are expiring at random times? |
| 22:10.23 | at0m | is the access time attribute enabled on the file system, or is the script based on it? |
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| 22:11.25 | HSorgYves | abrotman: the cron file only looks at /var/lib/php5 isn't it? |
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| 22:12.03 | Kasbe_ | I have a grub question: Is it normal that Grub 0.97 doesnt detect my Ubuntu's Ext4 partition? (happened as I installed Debian). What do I have to do to fix this? |
| 22:12.15 | MorkBork | yes |
| 22:12.17 | MorkBork | well |
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| 22:12.53 | abrotman | HSorgYves: are yours somehwere else ? |
| 22:12.58 | MorkBork | many options Kasbe_ |
| 22:13.02 | at0m | HSorgYves: less /etc/cron.d/php5 - so yes just /var/lib/php5 |
| 22:13.11 | MorkBork | grub 2 has ext4 support, or could make a seperate /boot with ext2 |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | Kasbe_: what does this have to do with Debian ? |
| 22:13.41 | MorkBork | Kasbe_, http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-634429ff2676cfc0e86fe9acd7bfa1d2237f2910 |
| 22:13.57 | Kasbe_ | abrotman: It's just that |
| 22:14.05 | MorkBork | according to that link: "NOTE: At least in debian-derived distros, including Ubuntu, converting your filesystem to Ext4 when using a initramfs results into a non-booting system, apparently even when you enable the "ext4dev compatibility" option". The problem is that the fstype klibc utility detects the ext4 filesystem as ext3, and tries to mount it as ext3, and fails. The fix is to pass the "rootfstype=ext4" option (without the quotes) in the kerne |
| 22:14.05 | MorkBork | l command line." |
| 22:14.06 | abrotman | Kasbe_: just what? |
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| 22:14.17 | HSorgYves | abrotman: yes, so it has nothing to do with the cron... mine are in /var/www/virtual/<domainname>/phptmp/ |
| 22:14.18 | jcm | bruce: no network traffic, it's a test server, almost nothing happens on it... |
| 22:14.23 | abrotman | Kasbe_: if you need help with Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 22:14.43 | abrotman | HSorgYves: ah okay .. so it won't look there .. awesome |
| 22:15.04 | HSorgYves | abrotman: there i see a file with timestamp 22:45 (more than 1440 seconds ago); its 23:14 here |
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| 22:16.14 | Kasbe_ | abrotman: I used Ubuntu and Im planning to switch to Debian. I thought Debian people would know more about Debian's default Grub. |
| 22:16.41 | abrotman | Kasbe_: but you're asking about your Ubuntu ext4 .. |
| 22:16.52 | Kasbe_ | Anyways thanks for the link and help |
| 22:16.53 | abrotman | HSorgYves: and if you change the cron script ? |
| 22:17.26 | tensorpudding | ext4 is the same regardless of what distro you use |
| 22:17.31 | HSorgYves | of course I could, but I am wondering if I need to? |
| 22:17.46 | abrotman | tensorpudding: really? so not a single distro patches their grub ? |
| 22:17.58 | abrotman | HSorgYves: i think you're going to have to |
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| 22:18.26 | tensorpudding | grub is different, i'm talking about the filesystem |
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| 22:18.48 | abrotman | tensorpudding: so no distros patch their kernels? |
| 22:18.49 | tensorpudding | doesn't squeeze use grub2 nowadays? |
| 22:18.50 | HSorgYves | abrotman: this means that on Debian sessions in php only expire after they have been deleted by cron? |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | he's asking about grub at any rate |
| 22:19.03 | abrotman | HSorgYves: that's when they get cleaned up |
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| 22:19.36 | HSorgYves | abrotman: but they should expire before? |
| 22:19.55 | abrotman | i think so ? |
| 22:20.05 | jpinx-eeepc | HSorgYves: they will expire if you write good php ;) |
| 22:20.32 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: what does this have to do with good php? |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: this is the filesystem cleanup |
| 22:21.20 | jpinx-eeepc | HSorgYves: php haas it's own session management. |
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| 22:21.43 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: which doesn't seem to work on Debian as expected |
| 22:21.58 | jpinx-eeepc | HSorgYves: works for me ;) |
| 22:23.03 | Kasbe_ | so, if I upgrade to Grub2, will I be able to boot into Ext4 partitions? (and I'm sorry if this looks newbie, because it IS) |
| 22:23.07 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: i have session.gc_probability=1 and session.gc_maxlifetime=1440; if i refresh a page after 25 minutes, the session should be expired, shouldn't it? |
| 22:23.58 | jpinx-eeepc | I believe so, but you would be better to ask in #php |
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| 22:24.24 | Xuzz | How do you run apt-get from another process as root (when the first process is setuid and setgid)? |
| 22:24.44 | djp_ | what's the name of the app used for extracting .zip files from the command line? |
| 22:24.46 | Xuzz | Right now my fork() and execl() are running apt-get as root fine, but when it tries to launch dpkg there is failure. |
| 22:24.53 | Xuzz | djp_: unzip, i believe |
| 22:25.20 | djp_ | Xuzz: doh! cheers... i need to sleep obviously... :) |
| 22:25.20 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: i did, but i believe from different posts on php.net that this is Debian specific |
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| 22:25.58 | Xuzz | The output I get is: dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 22:26.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - odd - I just followeed the instructins in the manual for session management and I don't have any issues |
| 22:26.12 | Xuzz | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:27.07 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: there is a "warning" about Debian in http://lu.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php |
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| 22:30.47 | jpinx-eeepc | HSorgYves: fairysnuff - I hadn't seen that |
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| 22:32.21 | jelly-one | HSorgYves, that cronjob thing always looked like a debian workaround for some upstream thing to me, yes |
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| 22:32.25 | HSorgYves | jpinx-eeepc: well ;-) |
| 22:32.59 | jelly-one | you want the sessions expired at the earliest possible time, run it as often as you can |
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| 22:34.49 | HSorgYves | jelly-one: you mean the cron? |
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| 22:35.27 | HSorgYves | jelly-one: but the cron does not affect the directory i store the session files into... |
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| 22:37.39 | jelly-one | HSorgYves, then you ought to adapt it so it does, I think |
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| 22:38.12 | HSorgYves | jelly-one: well they get cleared at some time, but i have no clue when or why |
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| 22:42.48 | alokat | exit |
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| 22:45.35 | vater | buenas |
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| 22:55.31 | dff | i wish to install debian on mac mini, is it the i386 version i want? |
| 22:55.36 | dff | on a mac mini |
| 22:56.10 | mesaGL | depends whether it is intel chipset or ppc |
| 22:56.16 | peterrooney | dff: depends on how old the mac mini is |
| 22:56.23 | dff | like 3 days |
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| 22:56.26 | dff | it's intel |
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| 22:57.06 | mesaGL | prolly core 2 duo ? |
| 22:57.23 | dff | yes |
| 22:57.43 | Xuzz | i386 is good |
| 22:57.55 | dff | 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor |
| 22:58.18 | massmc | Hi, is there a way to hide the home folder from other users? i chmod the home folder to 700. now a user cannot make dirs |
| 22:58.22 | dff | is debian 5 dvds? |
| 22:58.55 | mesaGL | dff: you might have trouble with the wireless if you have it. ath5k chipset ? |
| 22:59.13 | abrotman | i think they're broadcom |
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| 22:59.23 | dff | mesaGL: not sure but i wont be using wireless |
| 22:59.28 | abrotman | massmc: chmod of which directory ? |
| 22:59.34 | dff | wired is the way to go! |
| 22:59.52 | mesaGL | abrotman: i've seen all sorts. but yeah sometimes |
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| 23:00.16 | mesaGL | dff: net install is a good option |
| 23:00.27 | dff | mesaGL: ill try that |
| 23:00.29 | mesaGL | small cd about 130M |
| 23:00.32 | jelly-one | dff, either i386 or amd64 should work. the netinst (~200MB) image is enough to burn, the rest will be installed as needed via your internet connection |
| 23:00.57 | dserban__ | how do I force an eject to work on a drive. It seems to have frozen reading an audio disc (scratched)... now I type eject as root, and it is successful, but the drive doesn't actually eject. |
| 23:01.06 | abrotman | dserban__: paperclip |
| 23:01.08 | dserban__ | Do I need to reset the bus? |
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| 23:01.18 | dff | thanks alot guys |
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| 23:01.42 | mesaGL | debian-503-i386-netinst.iso is 150M. my bad |
| 23:01.44 | dserban__ | abrotman, ehh, rough, that won't work, the drive is stealthed. |
| 23:01.46 | massmc | abrotman, I have 3 users on my system. They can all dir into the home folder and see what the others have,.. I chmod the home folder to 700 which prevents this, but now they cannot create folders or files when logged in.. what have i done wrong |
| 23:01.53 | abrotman | dserban__: it's what ? |
| 23:02.45 | abrotman | massmc: ls -ld /home/<user>/ |
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| 23:03.26 | dserban__ | abrotman, it's stealthed, it looks like an empty drive bay :o... the pin hole is covered ... |
| 23:03.31 | dserban__ | http://www.rabidhardware.net/?id=2 |
| 23:03.58 | dserban__ | although it doesn't look that bad :) |
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| 23:04.39 | abrotman | dserban__: there's still a pinhole .. you just covered it |
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| 23:04.53 | massmc | what was the original permission in chmod for the home folder? i need to change it back |
| 23:04.53 | catsup | i'm trying to get the IP of this os x machine using avahi. mdns-scan says "Firstname Lastname?s Computer". anyone know how i translate this into the domain name? or another approach? |
| 23:05.16 | catsup | actually i will just nmap but mdns solution would be appreciated |
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| 23:05.38 | abrotman | massmc: i asked what they are now |
| 23:05.45 | dff | thanks for the help everybody |
| 23:05.52 | dff | getting the netinstaller now |
| 23:06.06 | massmc | drwxr-xr-x 6 massmc 4096 2009-11-09 00:10 /home/massmc/ |
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| 23:06.32 | dserban__ | abrotman, yep there is. dmesg reports hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } ... so can the bus be reset without rebooting the computer? |
| 23:06.41 | massmc | thats after i chmod 700 the home folder as root |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | massmc: that'snot right .. |
| 23:07.17 | abrotman | dserban__: either the drive is going bad .. or the disc is bad |
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| 23:07.48 | jelly-one | dserban__, it often can't, but try using cdrecord, er, wodim to reset it. |
| 23:08.09 | dserban__ | abrotman, yes the disc has a corrupt track... i just want to eject it/reset it |
| 23:08.31 | massmc | abrotman, I just want to know what was the chmod before I made it 700 so I can change it back |
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| 23:08.50 | abrotman | massmc: chmod 755 |
| 23:09.10 | abrotman | massmc: but it sounds like you screwed up something else .. it'd be better if we knew exactly which command you used to break it |
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| 23:10.17 | massmc | abrotman, i just chmod 700 /home/ as root |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | what? why? |
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| 23:10.46 | abrotman | anyways .. i'm not going to help someone already getting help on OFTC |
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| 23:12.36 | twiggz | lol |
| 23:13.00 | massmc | abrotman, i'm here now.. i dont like oftc anyways |
| 23:13.09 | massmc | promise to be loyal bro |
| 23:13.12 | massmc | lol |
| 23:13.34 | massmc | look, i just left oftc, see? |
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| 23:14.04 | abrotman | massmc: ls -ld /home/ |
| 23:14.49 | massmc | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2009-11-09 00:39 /home/ |
| 23:15.02 | massmc | seems to have fixed it chmod 755 back on home |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | excpet that's not right |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | drwxrwsr-x 9 root staff 4096 2008-10-19 16:44 /home/ |
| 23:16.38 | huelshoff | Does someone had success compiling nvidia-kernel module (for lenny) with the kernel 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64? |
| 23:17.18 | themill | abrotman: all my boxen have 0755 for /home... |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | why is mine sticky ? |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | oh well .. good enough i suppose |
| 23:17.52 | themill | abrotman: old sarge box of mine has that |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | themill: this laptop might be that old :) |
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| 23:20.11 | massmc | abrotman, so as a normal user i can see other user accounts.. I want to stop this from happening |
| 23:20.23 | Octalot | massmc: if you distrust your users enough that you want to prevent them finding out who the other users are, I think you need to take a sysadmin course (no, I don't have one to suggest). |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | massmc: ls -ld /home/user/ .. what is it ? |
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| 23:21.21 | massmc | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2009-11-09 00:39 /home/massmc/ |
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| 23:21.38 | abrotman | massmc: chmod o-rx /home/massmc/ .. is that what you want ? |
| 23:21.40 | massmc | Octalot, you pay for the course right? |
| 23:21.56 | abrotman | massmc: it ultimately depends how much you want to lock them out i suppose |
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| 23:22.17 | abrotman | also see /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 23:22.46 | massmc | abrotman, it's not that I distrust anyone.. It would just be nice to hide users from others |
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| 23:23.06 | massmc | su |
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| 23:23.27 | massmc | oops.. taking a look at that now abchirk |
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| 23:23.34 | massmc | abrotman, ** |
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| 23:25.19 | massmc | abrotman, thanks! so just change the DIR_MODE in the adduser.conf to 700? |
| 23:25.37 | abrotman | massmc: that isn't real directory security though |
| 23:26.18 | massmc | I dont have criminals in my box tho.. just fams |
| 23:26.41 | abrotman | same thing sometimes |
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| 23:27.09 | tensorpudding | don't trust anyone |
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| 23:27.20 | peterrooney | massmc: sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice |
| 23:27.26 | f3ar007 | is there a build-essential package with more libraries, etc... |
| 23:27.29 | f3ar007 | like build-full |
| 23:27.31 | tensorpudding | especially not yourself |
| 23:27.53 | streuner | f3d: no |
| 23:28.11 | streuner | f3ar007: no, not that i know |
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| 23:28.27 | f3ar007 | streuner: hmm, im trying to install mpd from the git repository and i keep getting dependencies needed |
| 23:28.31 | streuner | f3ar007: b-e is usually enough |
| 23:28.39 | f3ar007 | that are already installed |
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| 23:29.01 | streuner | !ssb |
| 23:29.01 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 23:29.35 | streuner | f3ar007: use "apt-get build-dep packagename" to get the rest... |
| 23:29.41 | themill | f3ar007: make use of the debian maintainers work: aptitude build-dep mpd |
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| 23:31.34 | f3ar007 | i get Build-Depends dependency for mpd cannout be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 23:31.44 | f3ar007 | themill and streuner |
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| 23:31.56 | antgel | i'm building a kernel from vanilla source with HOSTCC="ccache gcc" make-kpkg..., but after a make-kpkg clean, it appears to be building as slowly as before. what's the way to get ccache to work with make-kpkg? |
| 23:31.58 | f3ar007 | so i need to wait until the package becomes available? |
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| 23:32.13 | f3ar007 | basically, i want to install the latest mpd server on my sheeva plug |
| 23:32.25 | themill | f3ar007: are you running etch there? |
| 23:32.25 | streuner | and you are using stable? |
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| 23:32.43 | f3ar007 | how can i print the os info... |
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| 23:32.52 | f3ar007 | streuner: do you mean in my sources.list? |
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| 23:33.03 | streuner | f3ar007: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:33.10 | themill | judd, builddep mpd |
| 23:33.10 | judd | themill: mpd -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>= 6), cdbs, libavahi-client-dev, libsamplerate0-dev, libaudiofile-dev, libasound2-dev [!kfreebsd-amd64 !kfreebsd-i386 !hurd-i386], libao-dev (>= 0.8.3-1), libpulse-dev, libjack-dev, libshout3-dev, libogg-dev, libvorbis-dev [!arm !armel !armeb], libvorbisidec-dev [arm armel armeb], libflac-dev (>= 1.1.4-1), libmpcdec-dev, libmad0-dev, libfaad-dev, libmikmod2-dev, (1 more message) |
| 23:33.17 | streuner | yep, that too, show us please in paste.debian.net |
| 23:34.03 | f3ar007 | streuner: libc6 2.10.1.-5 |
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| 23:35.35 | streuner | show us the whole output |
| 23:35.51 | f3ar007 | that is the whole output |
| 23:35.54 | streuner | and the sources.list |
| 23:36.06 | f3ar007 | sources.list is one line: |
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| 23:36.29 | f3ar007 | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debain unstable main contrib |
| 23:36.42 | themill | !debain |
| 23:36.42 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:36.54 | streuner | should be magic then, how you installed Debian :-) |
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| 23:37.04 | babilen | f3ar007: We have been over this earlier... You need at least *2* lines in your sources list. One for binary packages and one for source packages. |
| 23:37.06 | f3ar007 | debian** |
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| 23:37.27 | f3ar007 | babilen: can you provide the 2nd line |
| 23:37.28 | beardy | themlil! |
| 23:37.31 | f3ar007 | or the two lines? |
| 23:37.38 | twiggz | usually just copy the same line you have |
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| 23:37.42 | twiggz | but start it with deb-src |
| 23:37.43 | themill | f3ar007: why are you running sid, btw? |
| 23:37.59 | babilen | f3ar007: I guess it is the one you removed earlier in a misguided attempt to compile mpd. |
| 23:38.20 | f3ar007 | themill: i dont know what sid is |
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| 23:38.44 | babilen | f3ar007: I recall you saying "I have exactly one source line" earlier and quoting the line you are missing now. ;-) |
| 23:38.44 | streuner | great |
| 23:38.46 | twiggz | haha |
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| 23:38.53 | babilen | o_O |
| 23:38.58 | babilen | quotw? |
| 23:39.05 | streuner | no |
| 23:39.08 | babilen | ok |
| 23:39.11 | themill | dpkg: tell f3ar007 about sid |
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| 23:40.06 | f3ar007 | the reason i am using sid, sorry i didnt know the acronym, is because it was part of the debian-installer for arm |
| 23:40.16 | f3ar007 | for my sheevaplug |
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| 23:41.52 | blueshoes | f3ar007: how do you like it? (the sheevaplug) |
| 23:42.00 | f3ar007 | blueshoes: its great |
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| 23:42.38 | f3ar007 | acts as a media server for xbmc and a print server, i want it to act as a mpd server tho :/ |
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| 23:42.56 | f3ar007 | its connected to the network wirelessly and keeps everything 'out of the way' or 'off my desk' etc... |
| 23:42.57 | blueshoes | I wanted one for a cheap NAS :> |
| 23:43.22 | f3ar007 | blueshoes, yeah, its worth it |
| 23:43.29 | nsadmin | what's a sheevathingy? |
| 23:43.44 | tensorpudding | it's a plug computer |
| 23:44.01 | tensorpudding | with usb and ethernet |
| 23:44.13 | blueshoes | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug |
| 23:44.17 | f3ar007 | http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp |
| 23:44.34 | themill | antgel: have you tried putting a set of symlinks for /usr/local/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/ccache etc? e.g. I have this in my cowbuilder setup: http://pastebin.ca/1662711 |
| 23:44.47 | tensorpudding | it has an ARM processor |
| 23:44.56 | tensorpudding | running at 1.2 ghz |
| 23:44.59 | babilen | f3ar007: Did the installation of Debian lenny (stable) fail on you sheevaplug? |
| 23:45.20 | tensorpudding | and 512 mb of flash and 512 mb of ram |
| 23:45.21 | nsadmin | can you get them with two eths? |
| 23:45.27 | f3ar007 | no, i just followed a guide from... |
| 23:45.38 | f3ar007 | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ |
| 23:45.50 | f3ar007 | which has a stable guide as well :P |
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| 23:47.22 | babilen | f3ar007: I would highly suggest you to install stable and optionally use software from backports. |
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| 23:48.02 | babilen | f3ar007: If you feel comfortable with that system you can upgrade to testing if you see a *compelling* reason. |
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| 23:48.35 | babilen | f3ar007: Right now you are running unstable (sid) which might be a tough ride for you. |
| 23:49.40 | jpinx-eeepc | f3ar007: stable is what works withut problems . you can add more recent packages with backports |
| 23:50.04 | babilen | !tell f3ar007 -about bpo |
| 23:50.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 23:50.06 | dpkg | i guess sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
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| 23:50.41 | blueshoes | hahaha I love that ^^ |
| 23:50.53 | blueshoes | toy story rocks :> |
| 23:51.05 | antgel | themill: hiya. i could try that. just wondered why it didn't work the other way. |
| 23:51.09 | nsadmin | I mean, if you're willing to give up all that debian has to offer in the way of stability... either sid, fedora, slackware or ubuntu... |
| 23:51.09 | f3ar007 | yea toy story reference was funny :D |
| 23:51.26 | babilen | blueshoes: guess where squeeze, woody, lenny, ... are from. |
| 23:51.34 | blueshoes | babilen: I know :P |
| 23:51.37 | blueshoes | still funny :P |
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| 23:51.44 | babilen | blueshoes: right! |
| 23:51.49 | themill | antgel: kernel-package is a bit of a moving target atm... I have no idea what bits work and what don't |
| 23:52.11 | nsadmin | if you pick any of those (incl. sid), support will be thin and you'll have to take care of pretty much everything yourself |
| 23:52.12 | f3ar007 | so backports are for the stable version, but they are the newest sources...? |
| 23:52.17 | f3ar007 | do i understand that correctly? |
| 23:52.38 | nsadmin | not necessarily newest, but most of the time newER |
| 23:53.21 | babilen | f3ar007: They might not be the *newest* sources but they are sometimes significantly newer than those shipped with stable. |
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| 23:54.42 | izanuff | ps auxw will give me a list of all processes running correct? |
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| 23:56.34 | anewbie | hi guys i want to update with the debian backport kernel |
| 23:56.43 | anewbie | but i recive that from aptitude |
| 23:56.45 | anewbie | W: GPG error: http://backports.undebian.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 22CAE404507CCE4B |
| 23:56.58 | anewbie | i install all the keyrings that i found with aptitude search keyring |
| 23:57.10 | anewbie | but the effect was null can some one give me a hint |
| 23:57.58 | karme | anewbie: you want to fetch the missing key - and add it via apt-key |
| 23:58.05 | blueshoes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:58.41 | themill | anewbie: keep reading the backports.org instructions |
| 23:58.50 | karme | anewbie: if you want to be on the safe side you might wish to check the fingerprint |
| 23:58.56 | abrotman | blueshoes: you took all the fun out of it |
| 23:59.14 | blueshoes | abrotman: I'm sorry, I won't do it again :) |
| 23:59.22 | anewbie | abrotman, i thing that his not |
| 23:59.30 | anewbie | couse i still recive the missing key msg |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | wtf is backports.undebian.org ? |
