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00:00.10abrotmananewbie: why are you installing packages from there ?
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00:00.36blueshoeswow... we're in 90's again
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00:00.52anewbieabrotman, i found it int the net for backport repository isn't it ?
00:01.04abrotmananewbie: uhm .. you didn't answer the question
00:01.06anewbiei update my eeepc from there without any problems
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00:02.09Trampabrotman: he just came from ##linux. There: Dominian [i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian] has set mode +b %*!*@*.nsw.optusnet.com.au
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00:02.14anewbieabrotman, i update the eeepc from there becouse backport kernel support the ath5k driver for my atheros wifi
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00:02.31anewbienow i want to update my local firewall from there for security issues
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00:02.44Trampabrotman: had to ban the whole of new south wales for him (he was fscking around for 30 minutes)
00:02.48themillTramp: that's a pretty large .au ISP...
00:02.50memnonanewbie: Does the kernel from backports.org work, too?
00:03.06blueshoes*!*@c122-106-208-47.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au
00:03.10Trampthemill: I know. they banned a dozen IPs, then finally decided to ban nsw
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00:03.27anewbiememnon, i've never try it
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00:03.32anewbieWTF IS THAT FLOOD
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00:04.02blueshoeshe's too dumb to renew his ip and join again :P
00:04.11abrotmanblueshoes: that's exactly what he's been doing
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00:04.19blueshoesshrug :/
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00:04.45babilenok ...
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00:04.49babilenanewbie: still there?
00:04.57anewbieyes
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00:05.12babilenanewbie: You should use backports as in bpo as in:
00:05.21babilen!tell anewbie -about bpo
00:05.36anewbieyep
00:05.41anewbienow i got it
00:05.44anewbiethx a lot
00:05.45memnonanewbie: Where the heck did you find that repo?
00:05.50babilenanewbie: Or do you have a *real good* reason to install from UNdebian ?
00:06.04abrotmananewbie: so what are you trying to install from that repo ? it looks to be outdated
00:06.16anewbiei found it from some tutorial for eeepc's
00:06.23babilenmemnon: You happen to find it when you google for backports...
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00:06.32dpkgThe Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus.  Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support.  To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details.  See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>.  Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309  #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
00:06.37anewbiethere are explanation for the ath5k driver
00:06.42memnonanewbie: I would be really careful adding repos to my sources.list
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00:07.05anewbiememnon, you think that repo is ...
00:07.09memnonI mean, its the *kernel*.
00:07.11jpinx-eeepcanewbie: what are you trying to add?
00:07.12memnonNo, probably not
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00:07.22memnonJust a general suggestion
00:07.45anewbiememnon, do you think that i must remove it form sources.list on my eeepc ?
00:08.04abrotmananewbie: use backports.org .. not whatever you're trying to use
00:08.15anewbiejpinx-eeepc, i update the eeepc debian with backport kernel from that repo to install tha ath5k driver
00:08.16jpinx-eeepcanewbie: you need to be careful with that
00:08.23nsadminis there any small computer like a sheeva or something else, that has two nics and usb?
00:08.30jpinx-eeepcanewbie: use backports ;)
00:08.41jpinx-eeepcnsadmin: eeepc?
00:08.42anewbiethx guys :)
00:08.55nsadminjpinx-eeepc: is that a laptop?
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00:08.59abrotmananewbie: that kernel hasn't been updated since july .. during which time more than a few security issues have been fixed
00:09.07jpinx-eeepcanewbie: and /join #debian-eeepc@irc.oftc.org
00:09.16memnonanewbie: The kernel is the central part of your OS. Even if it is from a trusted source, what about regular updates etc. You should check this first.
00:09.16nsadminlooking for a replacement for my gateway
00:09.17babilenanewbie: the backports from backports.org
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00:09.44anewbiegot it duudes :) thx
00:09.44memnonbackports.org is reliable ;)
00:10.00memnonk ;)
00:10.02babilennsadmin: would a WRT54 not be a good option as well?
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00:10.51ultralazeris it not good to compile software not included in debian?
00:11.14jpinx-eeepcultralazer: you run the risk of breaking something :)
00:11.24ultralazerok that does make sense.
00:11.35blueshoesASUS RT-N16 > WRT54*
00:12.07memnonultralazer: Plus, again no automatic updates. I do this only for *very* small packages.
00:12.17ultralazeroh no i might miss the first episode of house for the night. sh configure && make && make install yall.
00:12.29ultralazerof course man
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00:13.14babilenblueshoes: Hmm, quite a bit newer than my trusted WRT. Why is it better? (-> #debian-offtopic ? )
00:13.57jimcooncatis there a no-encryption ssh available?
00:14.04_AnywhereIs_ultralazer: i run some software built by myself in lenny and feel quite happy with it. for some of it really cannot be found in repos or it's version is old.
00:14.08d1bjimcooncat: not really but you can do -c blowfish -C
00:14.14memnonjimcooncat: you mean rsh ;)
00:14.27d1bor pick a lower  crypto algorithm :)
00:14.44d1belse you have telnet or rsh
00:14.45babilenjimcooncat: Why would you want to turn of encryption?
00:14.49ultralazer_AnyWhereIs_ cool  I want to modify the ude/uwm widgets.  maybe i actually will.
00:14.54abrotmanjimcooncat: you mean like .. telnet ?
00:15.00jimcooncatnot exactly, I have been using blowfish between hosts, but I don't need it working between vm's
00:15.12jimcooncatnone is a compile-time option
00:15.39_AnywhereIs_ultralazer, i wasn't actually meaning i modified some sources, for jabberd2 i did only =)
00:15.50jimcooncatbut not available in the default ssh package, for obvious reasons
00:15.52ultralazerI see.
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00:16.33jimcooncatso I wondered if anyone had packaged it with the 'none' setting, for when you only need auth and multiplexing
00:18.15jimcooncatabrotman: I could use telnet, but I'd prefer to stick with ssh authentication.
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00:19.24memnonjimcooncat: For these cases, one could download the debsrc and compile from that? I have never done that... Am I right?
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00:20.13jimcooncatI suppose, but I haven't compiled anything in a long time. I'd imagine that ssh is complex?
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00:22.02jimcooncatI wouldn't know how to do this without messing with the regular ssh program, either.
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00:24.32jimcooncatI've found a patch
00:24.32jimcooncathttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=52671
00:24.43Gm4nI'm trying to compile something, but when I 'make', it errors out with /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/crtbeginT.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__DTOR_END__' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
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00:28.26gh0st3rneed massive help! restarted a linux debian server, its now got two messages upon loading... It does the whole "Booting the kernel... Loading, please wait..." and then it has two messages about "Assuming drive cache: Write though" any ideas about fixing this? its just hung there?
00:28.48jimcooncat"if you want to do this for yourself, you just need to specify --with-none to configure." So where can I go from here?
00:29.08gh0st3rnow i have an "alert! /dev/hda1 doesn't exist" and then drops me into an intrafms > prompt
00:29.53jimcooncatgh0st3r: reboot with livecd and check out hda?
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00:30.17gh0st3rjimcooncat, nope not yet... so i reboot and what am i checking out about it?
00:30.24gh0st3r(with live cd)
00:30.58jimcooncatgh0st3r: not my expertise, I bet others here could help
00:31.13Rusty1whether the drive has failed or not
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00:32.45gh0st3rRusty1, the drive is a VMWare virtual drive, so it should still be fine... anyway I can repair the logical file system on top of it though? if it has become corrupt due to some sort of write failure?
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00:33.58BubbaTHow can I get a list of packages matching a regexp?
00:34.47XenguyBubbaT: dpkg -l foo doesn't work?
00:35.05jimcooncatgh0st3r: then you should probably check the underlying media from the host system?
00:35.21\amethystXenguy:  dpkg -l takes wildcards, not regexps
00:35.26jimcooncatbadblocks?
00:35.45Xenguy\amethyst: alright
00:35.48\amethystBubbaT:  aptitude search '~n^lib.*dev$'
00:36.00themillBubbaT: aptitude search ~nregexp
00:36.02gh0st3rjimcooncat, the host system is fine also... is there anyway if i restarted the server without shutting it down correctly (power failure) the filesystem could get damaged and display these symptons?
00:36.45jimcooncatgh0st3r: sure
00:36.47memnonBubbaT: apt-cache is nice, too: apt-cache [search regex]
00:37.07gh0st3rjimcooncat, can this be fixed somehow? or troubleshooted even?
00:38.14jimcooncatgh0st3r: I think fsck would be needed, but I'm not into rescue. I'd want some handholding through that
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00:38.54gh0st3rjimcooncat, ill try and check and see if it still exists in the partition table, then try and fsck
00:39.14jimcooncatgh0st3r: no backup of the drive image?
00:40.07gh0st3rjimcooncat, have asked the boss many many many times for extra backup space because 1TB is not enough for the servers we have... got the answer "its been ordered" for the last 3 months... he may pay the price for the lack of space now
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00:42.47jimcooncatgh0st3r: "oh yeah, boss, we lost your pr0n and mp3's too."
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00:44.23gh0st3rjimcooncat, haha.... that would get his attention... its backing up our 2 main Windows Sever 2003 installations, which house all of our data (in excess of 300GB) so it only stores like 3 sets of the winblows data
00:44.25gh0st3rsadly
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00:46.22jimcooncatgh0st3r: if you had the space to backup that one vm image, now would be a good time to do it
00:47.00jimcooncatgh0st3r: then you won't make matters worse if you try to fix
00:48.16gh0st3rjimcooncat, good thinking, i don't have a NFS server to back it up too currently, but ill give it a go
00:48.29gh0st3rjimcooncat, thanks for the idea...
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00:49.03jimcooncatnp. Does anyone know if arcfour is faster than blowfish?
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00:55.44valsrocksaludos a JUAX
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00:55.47Juaxvalsrock al fin te unes al canal
00:55.52valsrockjajaja
00:56.00valsrockyou know man
00:56.02Juaxtipea la inicial no mas y luego presiona TAB
00:56.04abrotman!es
00:56.05dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:56.06Juaxy se completa el nombre
00:56.08Juaxlol
00:56.11abrotmanenglish here
00:56.21JuaxThX
00:56.31valsrockxuxa
00:56.42Juaxlet's go
00:56.44valsrocki'm newbie here
00:56.58Juaxyeah!!
00:56.58babilenvalsrock: Do you have a Debian related question?
00:57.02Juaxme too
00:57.29Juaxvalsrock is a newbie on the wordl linux xD
00:57.35valsrockbabilen, ahora q lo mencionas see
00:57.43abrotmanvalsrock: english only
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00:58.04Juaxvalsrock: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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00:58.24valsrockok man , i will try
00:58.38abrotmanif you want to speak spanish, go to #debian-es
00:59.00Juaxhere is debian en ... if you want join a channel of spanish ... type ./join #debian-es ... without >> .
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00:59.36valsrockmore english . well i will try
00:59.56valsrockcultural institute rulz
00:59.59valsrockxD
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01:00.08abrotmanvalsrock: do you have a Debian question?
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01:03.12valsrocki have a question, last time my debian
01:03.48valsrockmany time i have try install my printer
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01:03.57valsrockbut i can't
01:04.08memnonvalsrock: which printer?
01:04.13valsrockmy model is canon ip 1800
01:04.27valsrocki have intalled CUPS
01:04.53valsrockbut it's the same
01:05.00Juaxsearch a guide xD
01:05.03valsrocki can't print
01:05.28valsrockdo you believe that i dont find??
01:05.35valsrocki don't search?
01:06.04streunerhttp://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-ip1800_series
01:06.18babilenvalsrock: Do you use Gnome, KDE or some other desktop environment?
01:06.21valsrocki have read many documents but nothing
01:06.38valsrocki use gnome
01:06.40streunerCanon ip1800 series
01:06.40streunerColor inkjet printer, works Mostly
01:07.01TrueDDGnight to all
01:07.16valsrocki know but in my case that isn't
01:08.05abrotmanvalsrock: uname -a .. what does it say ?
01:09.07markybobprobably his kernel version...
01:09.10markybobhides
01:09.44abrotmanchases markybob
01:10.07valsrockuhmm
01:10.11streunerNOTE: For user-contributed printer entries no PPD files can be generated or downloaded.
01:10.18valsrocki don' believe that
01:10.43streunerwell, i would just buy an supported printer then...
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01:10.57streunereasy to sell the other printer...
01:11.07streunerdone.
01:11.27memnonvalsrock: http://tantos.web.id/blogs/how-to-karmic-koala-and-canon-pixma-ip1800-ip1900
01:11.35abrotmanmemnon: this is not #ubuntu
01:11.38abrotmanvalsrock: uname -a .. what does it say ?
01:11.38memnonfor ubuntu, but might be of some use ...
01:11.56valsrockmy kernel versio is 2.6.26-2-686
01:12.30streunerWhats that hard to sell a printer?
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01:14.03valsrocknooo i don' t think to sell my print
01:14.04valsrockxD
01:14.16valsrockit's unique
01:14.58streunerit is the easiest solution
01:15.28valsrockjajajaja
01:15.35streunerhehe
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01:17.11streunerCanon isnt a good idea either
01:17.18valsrocki comment you that i have tried install cnijfilter-ip1900series_3.00-1_i386.deb and i do it
01:17.48nsadminstreuner what's wrong with canon?
01:17.49valsrockbut after reboot my OS don't detect
01:17.52streunerbecause, its not possible to change the thingie which spite the ink
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01:18.27nsadminoh, is that a canon printer?
01:18.29streunerthey are together, in case when its broken its terrible expensive...
01:18.43streunersure, Pizo technic is part of canon
01:19.05valsrockJUAX what's means wrong?
01:19.18valsrockare you here?
01:19.24streunernsadmn: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-ip1800_series
01:19.38streunernsad:
01:19.44streunerhm
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01:22.39PoxyHow do I add a user to the "sudoers list" in debian 5?
01:22.51streunervisodo?
01:23.09streunervisudo?
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01:23.46PoxyOk thanks
01:24.27valsrocklast time i read that canon ip 1800 have restrictions about ink charge
01:24.38valsrockbut it have solutions
01:25.44valsrockyou may press a turn on button over 20 seconds
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01:35.22debio264in Squeeze, why does openjdk-6-jre-headless depend on all the X libraries
01:35.23debio264?
01:35.47debio264or am I misinterpreting its purpose?
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01:37.16abrotmanlike hwat ?
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01:40.27debio264abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m595d334f
01:41.02debio264it's wanting to install every font known to man and the basic X libraries
01:41.11abrotmandebio264: a) use aptitude b) use -R
01:41.26abrotmanthat is an awful lot of X libs
01:42.06debio264abrotman: -R?
01:42.26abrotmanman aptitude
01:42.26\amethystdebio264:  aka  --without-recommends
01:42.28debio264abrotman: and the reason this bother is is that the box this is coming from is a completely headless ARM system
01:42.30debio264ah
01:43.30debio264abrotman: that helped, but there are still a few: http://pastebin.com/m300f5478
01:43.31\amethystjust the Depends shouldn't pull any any GUI libs unless you count freetype
01:44.09WormFoodmd0 : active raid1 hda2[0]
01:44.09WormFood<PROTECTED>
01:44.12abrotmandebio264: those are probably required
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01:44.34\amethystdebio264:  aptitude why libxrender1
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01:45.05jnewthow can i guage a webservers performance to see how much an upgrade would benefit my internal website's performance running php scripts.
01:45.23abrotmanab2 perhaps
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01:46.44\amethystdebio264:  something is still wanting to install openjdk-6-jre
01:47.03WormFoodjnewt, that is a pretty broad question...it all depends on what exactly the web site is doing
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01:48.24jnewtWormFood, nice name!  the problem is that i have an iterative script in php that as data grows, so does it, it is taking more and more time to execute, and although I am exploring some possible code improvemets, i don't think they are going to be enough.
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01:48.47\amethystdebio264:  try   aptitude install -R openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-   to tell it to try to find a solution that includes the first package but not the second
01:49.06jnewtWormFood, so i am looking for a way to quantify the effect an upgrade of the server would have in order to justify the expense.
01:49.13f3ar007if i compiled an app sucessfully from the git repository...how can i remove it? apt-get remove packagename?
01:49.39WormFoodjnewt, if you're doing database queries, maybe memcached will help
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01:49.46WormFoodyou gotta work smarter, not harder :P
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01:50.43jnewtWormFood: only one database query, at the beginning of the script, only a small fraction of the total script execution time
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01:51.13WormFoodyou can use memcached with more than just database queries
01:51.22ryanCHwhat is that image viewer, it's like "pico" or something i can't remembe the name of it?
01:51.22debio264\amethyst: well, I need to install the JDK anyway, so I guess all this is for naught
01:51.26WormFoodare you calculating the same things over and over again?
01:51.39ryanCHanyone know what i'm talking about?
01:51.47WormFoodpico is a noob text editor
01:51.54mattgirvvim :D
01:52.04WormFoodalong with nano (better version of pico)
01:52.06debio264WormFood: I love nano
01:52.09jnewtWormFood: yeah, same equations, but they are based on the current timestamp, and the results of the last calculation.
01:52.15\amethystdebio264:  ah, yeah, the jdk seems to depend on the full jre and not just headless... that's kind of strange
01:52.16debio264WormFood: mostly because I'm admittedly too lazy to learn vim
01:52.24ryanCHwell, there is an image viewer that looks like that, i can't remember the name of it, i'm trying to find it
01:52.28mattgirvlearn vim? its not that hard :)
01:52.34mattgirvjust different
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01:52.44WormFoodif you want to be a systems administrator, and you use pico/nano, then your peers get the right to laugh at you
01:52.54cafuegoLoad the vim firefox extension and learn whilst browing yourube.
01:53.06cafuegobrowsing youtube also
01:53.14debio264well, I'm a programmer, and I'm too used to Eclipse to go back to command line
01:53.15jnewtjoin memcached
01:53.21mattgirvEmacs is good too
01:53.27debio264so I'm told
01:53.37cafuegomattgirv: emacs is a crap operating system, actually
01:53.48debio264but I learned the basics of Vim rather than Emacs
01:53.49WormFoodvim > emacs
01:53.51WormFood:P
01:53.54mattgirvcafuego: The text editor is quite good though
01:53.55debio264I can at least do basic editing in there
01:53.57XenguyWormFood: while I personally agree with you, I know a brilliant sysadmin who uses pico/nano -- there's no accounting for taste when it comes to editors :-)
01:53.59WormFoodlearn vi, then learn vim
01:54.08cafuegomattgirv: wait .. it can edit text? ;-)
01:54.14Xenguybut of course I agree vim is best ;-)
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01:54.25mattgirvcafuego: Hey don't slur me :D I use vim
01:54.44cafuegooften uses sed or perl to edit text files on Linux
01:54.57mattgirvperl here too
01:55.00smartboyathomeOk, so I have a server which is connected to a router. That router's config page requires a graphical browser to use. I need to open up some ports, but don't want to go all the way to where the server is to do it. I've already tried X over SSH, and its too slow to use. The only ports I have open are 21 and 80. Any ideas?
01:55.14WormFoodthe reason to learn vi, is the fact it is ubiquitous across unix systems
01:55.15debio264smartboyathome: links
01:55.25smartboyathomei tried links, lynx, and elinks
01:55.26debio264smartboyathome: as in "sudo aptitude install links; links"
01:55.27smartboyathomenone work
01:55.31debio264how so?
01:55.31cafuegosmartboyathome: Tunnel port 80 over ssh and use a gfx browser locally?
01:55.48smartboyathomeI tried that cafuego, and it was so slow it was almost unbearable
01:56.03debio264then... how is SSH not painfully slow?
01:56.17WormFoodsmartboyathome, did you try telnetting into the router, and using the command line interface to configure it?
01:56.26debio264is this server on a dial up connection or something?
01:56.30cafuegosmartboyathome: Don't tunnel X, just forward an arbitrary local port to the router
01:56.47smartboyathomeah ok, how would I go about doing that cafuego?
01:56.53cafuegosmartboyathome: ssh -L 8080:router-ip:80 user@server
01:57.06cafuegosmartboyathome: Then start a LOCAL browser and go to http://localhost:8080
01:57.18smartboyathomeok ill try that
01:57.19cafuegosmartboyathome: ssh will forward that request to router-ip:80
01:58.58peterrooneysmartboyathome: alternately, you can use x11vnc, and specify a low colour depth - can speed things up considerably.
01:59.23smartboyathomeThanks cafuego, it works!
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01:59.37cafuegomocks WormFood
01:59.41cafuegosmartboyathome: enjoy :-)
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02:00.02WormFood:P
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02:01.35valsrock!list
02:01.36dpkgvalsrock: VATTENE VIA
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02:03.33enyawixhow do we go about adding packages. I was adding packages to a differant distro but installed debian after a distrbute over a package
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02:04.24icebrain!mentors
02:04.24dpkgmentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive.  Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/  http://mentors.debian.net/  #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
02:05.06abrotmanafter a distrbute ?
02:05.13enyawixthanks icebrain
02:05.23abrotmanoh my .. cafuego is awake!
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02:06.57enyawixabrotman users had worked on a package for three years the admins created a package and did not use any of our work and the new package was broken to add insult ti injory
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02:07.46abrotmana dispute .. not distrbute
02:08.08enyawixsome of us called for a fork
02:08.33enyawixit is not work fighting over
02:08.43enyawixworth*
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02:14.02debio264hrmm, there's bitlbee in stable and unstable, but not in testing?
02:14.18freaky[t]!lenny2testing
02:14.25enyawixis their a place to place untested packages? a install at your on risk kind of place
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02:14.35babilenjudd versions bitlbee
02:14.36juddbabilen: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 sid: 1.2.4-1+b1
02:15.00debio264hrmm?
02:15.25jpinx-eeepcdebio264: I recently backported the latest bitlbee with no problems at all:)
02:15.39debio264just build the source package from unstable?
02:15.53jpinx-eeepcdebio264: no - do the ssb thing
02:15.55jpinx-eeepc!ssb
02:15.55dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
02:16.18debio264ah
02:16.19jpinx-eeepcdebio264: follow the instructions and it "just works"
02:16.34jpinx-eeepcI wrote a more expanded howto if you want it
02:16.50enyawixis their a place people put unsponsored packages
02:16.50debio264jpinx-eeepc: nah, that's fine
02:17.07enyawixtext etc
02:17.17abrotmanenyawix: you can put them on your server
02:17.18enyawixtest*
02:17.37debio264odd, I have no source repositories...
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02:18.44mpurcell|afkis there a way to tell aptitude to keep its opinion to itself about a single package it "suggests"
02:18.51abrotmanenyawix: what package is this ?
02:18.54mpurcell|afkI tried holding the package at uninst, but it wont listen
02:19.05abrotmanmpurcell|afk: it shouldn't tell you about suggests, just recommends
02:19.13MorkBorkyea mpurcell|afk theres a way to tell it to ignore suggests
02:19.24MorkBorkbut i dont know it off the top of my head, its in the man page though
02:19.26MorkBorki use apt-get myself ;x
02:19.27d1babrotman: debian lenny does recommends... too.. i thought..
02:19.34mpurcell|afkMorkBork: I dont want to tell it to turn off entirely
02:19.34d1babrotman: you can disable it sure.
02:19.37mpurcell|afkjust ignore this package
02:19.40abrotmand1b: read what i said
02:19.46abrotmanmpurcell|afk: put it in paste.debian.net
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02:19.56d1bsorry tired :)
02:20.41enyawixabrotman i want to try making a KatchTV package
02:20.54mpurcell|afkannoyingly hard to select text with apt hijacking the mouse -.-
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02:21.18mpurcell|afktheres no option to tell it to lay off the mouse?
02:21.20enyawixi will try next weekend
02:21.21abrotmanmpurcell|afk: you can do it from the CLI (not using hte interface)
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02:22.25mpurcell|afkproblem solved
02:22.25MocIs there a Math Parent here ?
02:22.44abrotmana what?
02:23.13mattgirvheh
02:23.16mpurcell|afkit was offering a suggestion (did not know why) turned out to be a broken package dep. (would be nice if it gave the reason)
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02:23.24prince_jammyswhat, never heard of a math parent?
02:23.38enyawixmath parent?
02:23.51prince_jammyshehe. beats me too.
02:23.54enyawixbrb google
02:24.07mattgirvonly get parents guide to maths
02:24.08mattgirv:p
02:24.28enyawix?
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02:24.44mattgirvmath parent turns up nothing which would make any sense
02:24.59enyawixMoc you need help with homework?
02:25.02Mocadd debian in front of your search
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02:25.22mattgirvAh the person/
02:25.27enyawixbrb looking
02:25.32Mocgoogle can't think for you ;)
02:25.36prince_jammysMathieu Parent
02:25.39Moceven if it try ;)
02:25.48prince_jammystrick question!
02:25.59mattgirvwhy don't you email him?
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02:26.16MocI wanted to see if he were arround first
02:26.32JoeP!help port forwarding
02:26.44abrotmanJoeP: just ask
02:26.48MocIm trying to clone http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/svox.git;a=summary  but the repo return me nothing
02:27.03enyawixcan packages in debian stable be updated to fix bugs?
02:27.09abrotmandepends on the bug
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02:27.31JoePI am trying to fwd a tcp port. I have not started using iptables yet as I am still learning it. But in the mean time I really need to open a tcp port.
02:27.32Mocenyawix: they rarely do unless it security
02:27.53enyawixabrotman the yahoo cliants are all broken the protocall for yahoo changed
02:28.10abrotmanenyawix: in pidgin ?
02:28.21enyawixpidgin = broken
02:28.26Mocenyawix: stable mean stable, and that include making bugs stable and consistant
02:28.27abrotmanenyawix: tried backports.org ?
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02:28.39markybobJoeP, then use something that has a walk-through installer...like shellter
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02:29.13enyawixno back port that i could frind i moved to debian testing to get a working pidgin and kde4
02:29.15JoePaptitude install shelter?
02:29.17markybobor read a how-to.  reading really isnt as difficult as people make it out to be :P
02:29.39markybobJoeP, http://shellter.sf.net
02:29.48abrotmanenyawix: did you try backports.org or not ?
02:29.56JoePive been reading a lot on google. everything is on iptables though
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02:30.04JoePbeen reading for 2 hours
02:30.31enyawixabrotman yes i found a a kde4 back port but not a pidgin
02:30.48markybobJoeP, *everything* on linux regarding firewalling or forwarding is on iptables.  other scripts and projects just provide a method of interfacing with iptables
02:30.54abrotmanenyawix: did you try backports.org or not ?
02:30.59abrotmanit's a freaking website
02:31.09enyawixabrotman yes i did
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02:31.14JoePok. so i might as well learn to open and close with iptables?
02:31.23markybobJoeP, yes
02:31.26abrotmanenyawix: so you tried the pidgin there?
02:31.28JoePalrighty
02:31.45enyawixabrotman no i did not see one
02:32.08d_benyawix: http://www.google.com/search?q=backports%20pidgin
02:32.09jpinx-eeepcenyawix: you could have built your own backport of pidgin
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02:32.49abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: it already exists at backports.org
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02:33.16jpinx-eeepceven better:)
02:33.31jpinx-eeepcis "into" building backports these days :D
02:33.52nsadminjpinx-eeepc: before you mentioned eeepc... is that a laptop?
02:34.03jpinx-eeepcasus netbook
02:34.04d_bof course it'd be even better to use an open protocol like xmpp instead of messing around with crap like yahoo
02:34.19enyawixjpinx-eeepc it is ok i love my testing install it works greate
02:34.33nsadminok, thought so... thanks
02:34.45jpinx-eeepcd_b: I am stuck with yahoo and msn messengers because of family using windows
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02:35.01jpinx-eeepcIrssi with bitlbee does it perfectly
02:35.10d_bjpinx-eeepc: there are xmpp clients for windows.
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02:35.33d_bor jabber, whichever name is prefered, I don't remember :)
02:35.34mpurcell|afkNautilus in current debian squeeze crashes when you open preferences
02:35.40mpurcell|afk(new install)
02:35.59jpinx-eeepcd_b: I appreciate what you're saying but my crusading days are over - I just go along with what people have
02:36.00abrotmanmpurcell|afk: it's a known issue
02:36.03markybobmpurcell|afk, yes, it does.
02:36.04enyawixjpinx-eeepc i am working on some Kopete fixes i have a working rose
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02:36.18mpurcell|afkany suggestions on how to change the settings?
02:36.25markybobmpurcell|afk, you wait
02:36.41markybobor you learn how to change gconf manually
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02:36.50mpurcell|afklast line sounds good
02:36.57jpinx-eeepcmpurcell|afk: or you use stable
02:37.14enyawixi got tired of typing @};-, to my gf
02:37.15mpurcell|afkjpinx-eeepc: maybe if it was closer to realistic package versions
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02:37.49jpinx-eeepcfails to see what is wrong with stable - but without gnome :D
02:37.57mpurcell|afkuh, u must not be a developer
02:38.21jpinx-eeepcwho? me? certainly not :p
02:38.29mpurcell|afkwell than stable would be fine for u
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02:39.31mpurcell|afknot trying to be dickish, kind of racing through this install (need system for work)
02:40.02mpurcell|afkheh, lots of options in the gconf for it, nice
02:40.09nsadminmpurcell|afk: something wrong with stable for a developer who wants to do real work? whether you're a developer or not, perhaps you have use, for example, for a homemade nas that's rocksolid
02:40.19freaky[t]what's the nick of the bot again?
02:40.27nsadmin!bot
02:40.27dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
02:40.35freaky[t]ah thx
02:40.45mpurcell|afknsadmin: Actually yes, real work is not 1 year out of date.
02:40.51mpurcell|afkAnd has dependencies
02:40.55Mocit finally an freaking git cmd issue..
02:41.23markybobdebian stable is only one year out of date?  since when?
02:41.29mpurcell|afkmarkybob: ll
02:41.30mpurcell|afklol*
02:41.45nsadminmpurcell|afk: and old is bad why? and you're a developer and you think this way?! :_
02:41.56enyawix1 year out of date is a long time
02:42.09markybobmpurcell|afk, there's a reason for it.  i'm a developer (lead developer of deluge for 1.5 yrs) and i use debian stable for most of my boxes.
02:42.14enyawix3mo would be cool
02:42.31nsadminit depends what application you put it to I suppose...
02:42.35jpinx-eeepcan ssh session has died in a screen and I can't close it with "exit" or ^c - any ideas how to kill that screen anyone?
02:42.46mpurcell|afknsadmin: new applications using new apis are nice once in a while. Not every developer is writing apps that are for legacy systems. Some are for future systems.
02:42.51mpurcell|afknsadmin: exactly
02:43.06abrotmannot exactly 'legacy'
02:43.10markybobjpinx-eeepc, you find the pid and kill -KILL
02:43.10enyawixmarkybob have you got grsecurity to work on debian?
02:43.22mpurcell|afkmarkybob: unfortunately, my work is mostly closed source, not necessarily my choice.
02:43.38markybobenyawix, i have no interest in grsecurity
02:44.00jpinx-eeepcmarkybob: it's in screen - it is one of the screens opened in screen
02:44.01markybobmpurcell|afk, that would make you a minority, when it comes to the debian community.
02:44.11mpurcell|afki havent used grsec in years, does it still make you put in another password even @ root.
02:44.27mpurcell|afkmarkybob: irrevelant
02:44.30mpurcell|afkerr
02:44.34mpurcell|afkirrelevant
02:44.35markybobmpurcell|afk, no, it's not
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02:44.56markybobmpurcell|afk, you're talking about things that 99% of debian's users wouldnt deal with.
02:45.06mpurcell|afkand 99% of people dont run linux
02:45.09abrotmanand there's always chroot
02:45.10enyawixmarkybob you have no servers? or you run selinux?
02:45.14mpurcell|afkStatistics arent that important
02:45.20nsadminmpurcell|afk so you're working on hardware drivers as a dd?
02:45.31mpurcell|afknsadmin: neg.
02:45.38mpurcell|afkI work in criminal justice mostly
02:45.42markybobenyawix, i have roughly 35 debian stable servers.
02:46.31nsadminoh ok, not sure how legacy systems applies to your work as a debian developer then, if you're not working on that side of the line
02:47.09enyawixmarkybob any system hardening?
02:47.16mpurcell|afknsadmin: library dependencies? the ability to compile current releases of non-package managed libraries, etc..
02:47.21markybob...says the guy that until yesterday didnt know you could delete in use files in linux...
02:47.28nsadminmaybe I'm jumping the gun... you said developer, not debian developer
02:47.43mpurcell|afkno big deal, gconf fixed the issue
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02:47.55markybobmpurcell|afk, glad to hear
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02:48.02mpurcell|afk*nod*
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02:49.01norbert_hi, I'm using the video editor cinelerra and finished a video that plays fine within cinelerra, but when I export it the audio is off; since #cinelerra is almost deserted, I wonder if anyone here has any idea what could be the issue (I tried several export formats, like mov/avi/ogg, but all off sync audio); Linux 2.6.26, latest cinelerra, alsa audio
02:49.15mpurcell|afkagain, wasn't trying to be curt with anyone, just in a rush.
02:49.28mpurcell|afksorry for ruffling any feathers
02:49.39mpurcell|afkmy fav distro, dont wanna upset anyone :)
02:50.10rgrnorbert_: judos for getting it to work at all. Not an easy program to use.
02:50.44enyawixnorbert_ i have not tried cinelerra  on debian yet it the low latancy patch part of the debain kernel?
02:51.49nsadminmpurcell|afk, well I didn't mean to get overly in your face either... it's just a bit strange to me to see those preferences in a debian developer (which you haven't actually claimed to be :)
02:51.59mpurcell|afk:P
02:52.35norbert_enyawix: dunno
02:53.27norbert_but I don't understand how low latency would have an effect on cinelerra, it's a software export that should work even on the slowest machine, right?
02:53.56enyawixnorbert_ that woud cause lag in cinelerra and linuxsampler if it is not
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02:54.12norbert_but I'm talking about the export (the render)
02:54.19freaky[t]are contrib and non-free not in the testing release (sources.list - apt)
02:54.20freaky[t]?
02:54.25norbert_it plays fine within cinelerra itself, in the preview window
02:54.54enyawixnorbert_ brb i will try it so i can see myself
02:54.58nsadminfreaky[t] non-free is not considered "in debian" even if the mirrors serve it
02:55.01markybobfreaky[t], they are in, but you need to add them manually to sources.list
02:55.54freaky[t]Err http://debian.shimpinomori.net squeeze/main Packages
02:55.54freaky[t]404 Not Found
02:55.58freaky[t]it says this :(
02:56.07abrotmanfreaky[t]: for what?
02:56.14freaky[t]Err http://debian.shimpinomori.net squeeze/main Packages
02:56.14freaky[t]404 Not Found
02:56.17freaky[t]oops sorry wait
02:56.35freaky[t]aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
02:56.36freaky[t]for this
02:56.48abrotmanwhat does that have to do with it ?
02:56.54abrotmanwhat is on that server that you want ?
02:57.00freaky[t]lenny
02:57.06markybobbleh
02:57.15abrotmanfreaky[t]: use a different mirror
02:57.22freaky[t]that server should be a mirror (i ran netselept-apt)
02:57.23freaky[t]ok
02:57.34enyawixnorbert_ wow i just searched for cinelerra and did not find it. do you have extra sources
02:57.51enyawixcinelerra is somthing i like to have on my system
02:58.08norbert_I probably compiled it myself
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02:58.23markybobit's in debian-multimedia
02:59.02enyawixdebian-multimedia a source list or a debian based distro?
02:59.04markybob!debian-multimedia
02:59.04dpkgdmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
02:59.38enyawixthanks
02:59.43kingsleyHow do you tell exim4 to use "bydns" with its smarthost?
02:59.59abrotmankingsley: try #exim
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03:00.24kingsleyabrotman: I did.
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03:00.43abrotmanso be patient and wait
03:01.17gh0st3rGRRR!!!
03:02.20gh0st3rfinally got my server to boot up with a live cd... its displaying theres no "/dev/hda1" which should be the main disk... when i run a "fdisk /dev/hda" it shows all space on the disk unallocated when that should be the main disk
03:02.26gh0st3rany ideas how to get my parititions back!
03:03.25jpinx-eeepcgh0st3r: what does fdisk -l tell you?
03:03.34norbert_I've been using GNU/Linux only for 13 years now, create GPL software, and support GNU, but I would always advice people to use a mac or windows if they want to do video editing
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03:04.04cafuegonorbert_: Apparently http://www.openmovieeditor.org/ is nice
03:04.18cafuegoKind of a cinellera fork with less suck and more win
03:04.35norbert_I've tried 'em all
03:04.50norbert_I like kdenlive the most
03:05.15norbert_but I like to stay in Debian stable, and even kdenlive failed pretty badly too many times
03:05.48gh0st3rjpinx-eeepc im in a live cd but fdisk -l shows a /dev/sda1and a /dev/sda2
03:06.33gh0st3r/dev/sda1 has my data!
03:06.42gh0st3rwhy the **** was it looking for /dev/hda1 then!
03:06.42gh0st3r?
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03:08.06jpinx-eeepcgh0st3r: maybe you have issues in grub?
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03:10.04gh0st3rjpinx-eeepc, grub shows the installations of debian on there... i think it might be /etc/fstab
03:10.15gh0st3reven thought I haven't changed anything in it for a good month or so
03:10.41gh0st3rjpinx-eeepc, ive run a fsck on the filesystem, comes back clean...
03:10.50gh0st3rjpinx-eeepc, any other ideas except for checking fstab?
03:11.43jpinx-eeepcghcheck fstab and then try again and if no good get into editing mode in grub and fish around the devices till you find it
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03:30.41gh0st3rjpinx-eeepc, boom! it was a problem in menu.lst / grub... it had changed back to /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/sda1
03:30.53NoCodeIs the http://www.lamaresh.net/ repository for wine any good with squeeze? Should I use it?
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03:31.15abrotmanask the person that made it
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03:31.44NoCodeI won't use it then.
03:31.56NoCodesqueezes abrotman
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03:49.17jpinx-eeepcgh0st3r: *plonk*  :)
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03:49.50jpinx-eeepcNoCode: wine works for me with that repo in my lenny
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03:52.00NoCodejpinx-eeepc, Cool. Yeah, I'm just going to use Squeeze's wine version as I had absolutely no problem with it last time I used it. Kind of a stupid question on my part. :)
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04:16.45gutsyi tried playing a video in Movie Player and I got the following error: codec error: use windows media player; and i googled the problem and it says it's a trojan, do i need to worry about the security issue if i opened it only in debian?
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04:21.19f3ar007when i use ./configure from mpd 0.16~ git repo, it looks for libmad
04:21.26f3ar007i cant seem to install libmad, only libmad0
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04:22.23prince_jammysgutsy: no. probably one of those Windows genius ideas of having media file formats that try to execute stuff.
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04:24.07gutsyprince_jammys: thanks, that's a  relief; i get paranoid very often, lol
04:24.56gutsyprince_jammys: so just deleting it would resolve the problem, i guess
04:24.56f3ar007i was able to install libcurl from source and the configure script detected it... i just cant get the config script to detect libmad
04:25.31animositisominacreate a symbolic link..
04:25.54animositisominaln -s libmad0... libmad.so
04:26.48animositisominainstall libmad0-dev too for header files..
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04:28.43f3ar007animositisomina: thanks i will try that
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04:31.36simonrvnf3ar007: why are you even doing this?
04:32.00f3ar007to install the latest mpd which is 0.16
04:32.02f3ar007from git
04:32.23simonrvnwhy?
04:32.30f3ar007the version i can get with apt-get install mpd has a problem when streaming over httpd
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04:32.47simonrvnhttp you mean. ah.
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04:32.53freaky[t]/dev/md1 has been mounted 34 times without being checked, check forced.
04:32.53freaky[t]Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
04:32.56freaky[t]hi all. what can i do if fschk hangs at: /dev/md1 has been mounted 34 times without being checked, check forced.
04:33.11freaky[t]omg lol
04:33.12f3ar007theres a segmentation fault when i press enter to play the files in the playlist
04:33.29freaky[t]i get the above error it doesnt do anything but displaying pass 1
04:33.31freaky[t]line
04:33.34simonrvnfreaky[t]: first, don't paste in here; second, you sure it's hung?
04:33.53\amethystfreaky[t]:  how long did you wait, and how big and fast is the device?
04:33.56freaky[t]how do i check if it hangs?
04:34.11freaky[t]im waiting since 7 minutes and my server didnt come up for arround 30 mins when trying to start
04:34.14freaky[t]*boot
04:34.16simonrvnanswer \amethyst's questions first
04:34.43freaky[t]the device is 750GB
04:34.50freaky[t]big and i dont know how fast :(
04:34.58freaky[t]it's a software raid
04:35.08freaky[t]i think it's scsi
04:35.45peterrooneyfreaky[t]: that could take a _long_ time to fsck
04:35.46\amethysthm
04:35.49\amethystyeah
04:35.55freaky[t]oh ok
04:36.00\amethystfreaky[t]:  could be hours
04:36.00freaky[t]ill wait an hour then now
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04:36.04freaky[t]ok ...
04:36.06freaky[t]thank you
04:36.26\amethystfreaky[t]:  you can in the future use tune2fs to change the "fsck every M boots or N days" settings
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04:36.55peterrooneymy issue: xine-ui is always at full volume, no matter what the volume control is set to.  (why do I always get the weird problems?)
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04:39.13freaky[t]ok it finished ... now still have the problem that server doenst come up. im rebooting (was in rescue system)
04:39.17simonrvnprobably adjusting the wrong volume knob, like master instead of pcm, or vice versa
04:39.56freaky[t]omg it came up :DD
04:40.00freaky[t]thank you very much guys ^^
04:40.26\amethystfreaky[t]:  man tune2fs, look for -c and -i
04:40.36\amethystfreaky[t]:  that will let you determine how often this happens
04:40.47freaky[t]ok thank you ^^
04:41.47amitzwhat package to install to enable automount in xfce? When plugging usb storage, the icon properly displayed but not automtically mounted. I must right click the icon then choose mount to make it mounts. debian lenny. the user has been added to plugdev group.
04:42.15f3ar007animositisomina: what dir should i be in when i create the sym link?
04:42.31f3ar007can i find out with dpkg -L libmad0?
04:42.40\amethystamitz:  thunar-volman probably
04:43.02animositisominaon the directory where resides the file libmad....
04:43.16animositisominalib ou usr/lib
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04:43.53\amethystf3ar007:   you need libmad0-dev
04:43.57animositisominaenter in the directory where the file resides..
04:44.02\amethystf3ar007:  it includes the libmad.so symlink
04:44.11peterrooneyfreaky[t]: you should let it happen at least occasionally.
04:44.15\amethystf3ar007:  usually it's the -dev package that includes the header file and the versionless .so symlink
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04:44.52\amethystf3ar007:  you in general need the -dev package to build a program that links with the library
04:44.54f3ar007\amethyst: apt-get install libmad0 tells me its already the newest version
04:44.55animositisominaand the header files too.. to compile against the library..
04:44.56peterrooneysimonrvn: nope, only one volume control in xine-ui
04:45.05\amethystf3ar007:  apt-get install libmad0-dev
04:45.12\amethystf3ar007:  it's a separate package
04:45.14f3ar007yea thats what i meant**
04:45.22f3ar007-dev says its the newest package
04:45.31animositisominahttp://packages.debian.org/pt-br/etch-m68k/libmad0
04:45.42animositisominaand you can see the related packages..
04:46.23animositisominahttp://packages.debian.org/sid/libmad0 is better
04:46.40\amethystf3ar007:  dpkg -L libmad0-dev   ... it should include /usr/lib/libmad.so
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04:47.01amitz\amethyst: got it, will try when I gain access to that box. thanks.
04:47.23f3ar007\amethyst: it lists /usr/lib/libmad.so
04:47.44f3ar007but still, when i run the ./configure from mpd 0.16~ git clone it says cant find libmad
04:48.18animositisominawget -c http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libm/libmad/libmad0-dev_0.15.1b-4_i386.deb
04:48.34animositisominadpkg -i libmad0-dev_0.15.1b-4_i386.deb
04:48.34dpkginstalls libmad0-dev_0.15.1b-4_i386.deb into animositisomina's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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04:49.42\amethystf3ar007:  could you pastebin the config.log?
04:49.51simonrvnpeterrooney: i shoulda been specific, in alsamixer
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04:50.10f3ar007\amethyst: sorry, which one exactly?
04:50.11animositisominasome libraries don't create the symbolic link...
04:50.33\amethystf3ar007:  when you try to run ./configure it generates a file 'config.log' in the current directory
04:50.36\amethystf3ar007:  that one
04:51.06f3ar007\amethyst: okay, i will pastebin it, one moment..
04:51.25f3ar007animositisomina: i need the armel not i386, i should be able to find it, just a moment
04:51.47animositisominaso... get the correct for you..
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04:52.25animositisominathink a little...
04:52.32animositisominawhat you need?
04:52.46animositisominalibmad0, libmad0-dev and a symbolic link..
04:53.27animositisominathis symbolic link could or not be created by libmad0-dev instalation...
04:53.46Gm4nwhat does it mean if dpkg lists a package as "rc" instead of "ii"?
04:53.47f3ar007\amethyst: http://pastebin.com/d19a87bf7
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04:54.40NoCodeDoes, "/dev/sda4       /media/Storage  ext3    auto,user,exec,rw,sync  0       1" look correct? Should I have defaults in the options?
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04:55.40f3ar007animositisomina: i the problem i am having is that i have not been able to use the libs from apt-get install
04:55.44f3ar007i need to compile them myself
04:55.49f3ar007to get this git version working
04:56.01NoCodeWe'll see I guess. Brb
04:56.02\amethystf3ar007:  so the problem isn't that it can't find the .so file, it's that it can't find the .pc file (which says how to link against it)
04:56.41\amethystf3ar007:  but that should have gone in /usr/lib/pkgconfig (from the -dev package)
04:56.57animositisominapkg-config --list-all
04:57.16animositisominaand search for the required library..
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04:58.31f3ar007so i want to search for libmad.pc?
04:58.49\amethystf3ar007:  yes; it should be in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/
04:58.57peterrooneysimonrvn: thanks, but that didn't work.  everything is on except for micboost
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04:59.10animositisominapkgconfig libmad
04:59.27\amethystpkgconfig mad
04:59.48\amethysterr
04:59.54\amethystpkg-config --cflags --libs mad
04:59.55animositisominapkg-config
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05:00.02\amethystf3ar007:  I have an idea... what does    type pkg-config   say?
05:00.08f3ar007both return nothing
05:00.10\amethystf3ar007:   does it say /usr/bin/pkg-config   or something else?
05:00.29f3ar007pkg-config --list-all doesnt list the libmad library
05:00.32simonrvnpeterrooney: maybe it's (xine) confused as to what's what the master volume ...
05:00.32animositisominapkg-config --list-all | grep mad
05:00.47f3ar007animositisomina: i tried that, it returns nothing...
05:01.22\amethystf3ar007:   does   type pkg-config   say it's in /usr/bin or somewhere else like /usr/local/bin  ?
05:01.22animositisominado you install libmad0-dev?
05:01.59f3ar007\amethyst: pkg-config simply says: must specific package names on the command line
05:02.06\amethystf3ar007:  'type' is the command
05:02.10f3ar007oh
05:02.13f3ar007:P
05:02.46f3ar007pkg-config is hashed "/usr/local/bin/pkg-config"
05:02.49\amethystf3ar007:  aha
05:02.53\amethystf3ar007:  that's your problem
05:02.53f3ar007!
05:03.17f3ar007okay
05:03.27\amethystf3ar007:  this version of pkg-config isn't going to be able to find any of your Debian-installed packages unless you set PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig
05:03.39\amethystf3ar007:  export that, I mean
05:04.14\amethystf3ar007:  this is why you should usually not go compiling things (like pkgconfig) that are available in Debian
05:04.26\amethysts/compiling/locally installing/
05:05.39f3ar007its enabled!
05:05.49abhi_<PROTECTED>
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05:06.01f3ar007\amethyst: you have been a great help!
05:06.04simonrvnabhi_: ask #ubuntu
05:06.14f3ar007along with animositisomina thanks !
05:06.24\amethystf3ar007:  so now, if you have a library in both places, it will prefer the one in /usr/local/
05:06.48animositisominayou can compile these things manually... but you have to know what you are doing..
05:07.08animositisominathis approach is good to learn...
05:07.11\amethystf3ar007:  this could end up being a problem, though, if you have a (direct or indirect) dependency on two different versions of the same package
05:07.22f3ar007yea i have only been using linux < 6months
05:07.34simonrvn...
05:07.42f3ar007so i dont really know what i am doing :P
05:07.43animositisominaso... try constantly to eliminate the dependencies..
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05:08.08animositisominathis is normal...
05:08.20animositisomina1 step at each time..
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05:08.29animositisomina:)
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05:08.50f3ar007\amethyst: i understand the possibility of a problem there...
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05:09.05f3ar007so basically, i could set it back to one location..
05:09.52\amethystyeah, e.g. set it to /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ and use the Debian -dev packages for everything
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05:12.27nick_hin the manpage for badblocks, what does "non-destructive read-write mode" mean?
05:15.15simonrvnf3ar007: i do local builds, but as much as possible i use the debian packages. it avoids problems like this (as much as possible).
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05:16.26f3ar007okay, so because i installed mpd myself it looked to a different pkg-config path...then \amethyst told me to add the correct path to the env variables (i think they are called) with export, correct?
05:16.48asmodeus_!hi
05:16.48dpkghello, asmodeus_
05:16.58peterrooneynick_h: means it there's a reasonable expectation that any data that might be there might survive the badblocks test
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05:18.49nick_hpeterrooney: the key word being "might", though...so there's a chance that some existing data will become corrupted by using badblock's -n option?
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05:19.23peterrooneynick_h: no, i mean that normally badblocks is run on a newly created partition.
05:19.23\amethystnick_h:  it saves the block, overwrites it, tests the new contents, and restores the original
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05:20.44nick_h\amethyst: thanks, that helps
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05:21.04nick_hpeterrooney: should badblocks not be run on partitions that have data?
05:21.15nick_hs/data/desirable data/
05:21.34\amethystnick_h:  ("saves" in RAM I mean);  if a block is marginal, it is possible that the overwrite will be the straw that breaks the block's back, and will 'make' the block go bad
05:22.06nick_h\amethyst: fair enough
05:22.20mr_queue'workspace switcher' used to give one the option to select how many workspaces you wanted. it doesn't seem to be the case any longer. Anywhere else I might find that? 2.28.0 Sid
05:22.41simonrvnmr_queue: the wm does it now
05:22.43nick_hany idea how long badblocks might take to go through a 30GB partition?
05:22.50simonrvnmr_queue: doesn't matter one, either
05:22.59mr_queuesimonrvn: oh?
05:23.11simonrvncould be openbox, or sawfish, or metacity
05:23.16simonrvnor whatever ...
05:23.30simonrvnmattr which one*
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05:23.37simonrvn!shoot my typist
05:23.37dpkgblows my typist away with a double-barreled shotgun
05:24.34asmodeus_!shoot my bike
05:24.34dpkgblows my bike away with an Uzi
05:25.06asmodeus_!kick me
05:25.06dpkgkicks asmodeus_ in the ass.
05:26.14rmrfhi, is current libfreetype6 in squeeze compiled with BCI?
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05:27.36mr_queuesimonrvn: is that also a new package to manage that? Or where has it been moved to?
05:27.44simonrvnasmodeus_: there's such a thing as overdoing it
05:28.01asmodeus_simonrvn, sorry
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05:28.09simonrvnmr_queue: no. your wm == window manager
05:28.15asmodeus_i did not understand you
05:28.23simonrvn!wm
05:28.23dpkg[window manager] a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server.  To list available window managers in your system, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager".  Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>.  To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".  For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/
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05:28.45simonrvnread that, and grok
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05:29.37funyunlinux noob here. can someone help me setup a Samba (SMB) server on linux?
05:29.51simonrvnmr_queue: a wm makes thw windows on your screen. without it, they would be frameless, and you'd be unable to move them around.
05:29.57simonrvnthe*
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05:30.07simonrvnfunyun: #samba
05:30.30funyunsimonrvn: duh. thank you :)
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05:31.25simonrvnnp
05:31.54mr_queuesimonrvn: I found it. I just didn't ever remember seeing that in gnome.
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05:32.28mr_queueAnd actually to further confuse the situation, I setup compiz yesterday. But all is well now. Thanks.
05:32.50simonrvnnp. ah so compiz would be doing that.
05:33.59simonrvnmr_queue: might want fusion-icon and compizconfig-settings-manager installed
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05:35.52mr_queuesimonrvn: Thanks, I'll look into that.
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05:38.36pobegaI'm reading through the Debian New Maintainer's Guide, and I'm wondering if it's normal for dh_make to generate a debian/rules file that looks like this: http://pastebin.com/f503d8db7
05:39.36pobegaThis is what the debian/rules default file is defined as in the new maintainer's guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-rules
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05:39.57Kamping_Kaiserpobega: for debhelper 7, iirc yes.
05:40.09Kamping_Kaiserbut get a 2nd opinion
05:40.17pobegaKamping_Kaiser: Thanks, I figured as much but wanted to see if it wasn't some sort of an error
05:40.19pobegaAh, okay.
05:40.30pobegaAs I said, I'm just trying to make sure it's not some sort of weird anamoly
05:40.44Kamping_Kaiserpobega: bug #549289 is what your after
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05:42.16pobegaSo it's just outdated docs. Alright, thanks!
05:42.39Kamping_Kaiserpobega: no worries :)
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05:48.30marcin_Hi. I have prepared IPSec in transport mode host to host. I was wondering how can I see that the traffic beetwen these hosts? Beacuse tcpdump show anything. :/
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05:50.55cbrmongermarcin_: what do you mean tcpdump shows nothing?
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05:52.43cbrmongermarcin_: you should be able to see the EH packets flowing between your hosts on the 'outside' interface, and the unencrypted stuff on your inside interface
05:53.04marcin_cbrmonger: I mean that, even if I do: ping $host_b from host $host_a, and I ran on on $host_b: tcpdump -i $interface icmp it doesn't show anything.
05:53.43cbrmongermarcin_: then i guessing it isn't working. have you let the right protocols through your firewall?
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05:55.20marcin_cbrmonger: why? I have loaded everything via setkey. Ping works. But tcpdump see no traffic.
05:55.39cbrmongermarcin_: actually, you won't see it as icmp though, as the traffic is encrypted
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05:56.16marcin_cbrmonger: cbrmonger .. I just want to be sure that traffic is really encrypted.
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05:57.50cbrmongermarcin_: then you need to dump protocol 50 and 51
05:58.09meeman, I'd like to support LWN, but 120$/yr is, uh, crazy. Even their 'starving hacker' rate of 60$/yr is way more than most printed periodicals I get. What gives?
05:59.07AsmCoder8088what's LWN
05:59.51jmarsdenLWN: Linux Weekly News.  http://lwn.net/
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06:00.14AsmCoder8088I'm sure you can still support them by giving a donation of your own choosing
06:01.21jmarsdenmee: LWn "starving hacker" rate is US$2.50/month, so US$30/year
06:02.13jmarsdenmee: $60/year is their standard individual rate... see http://lwn.net/op/Subscriptions.lwn
06:02.16meejmarsden: oh, sorry you're 100% right.
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06:02.53jmarsdenmee: I just got you a 50% discount :) :)
06:03.05meegives jmarsden his commission
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06:03.37Kamping_Kaiserhehe
06:03.53doubleclickin squeeze instalation, when it says ReiserFS, that's reiser v4 right?
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06:04.24AsmCoder8088the killer file system!
06:04.54epsilonkiller app
06:05.21v4nelleguys there is any "killing app" applet on gnome?
06:05.39macrobati use xkill
06:05.39FailPowahbah aptitude sucks.. i was going to upgradE/update tor/vidalia package.. i ended up upgrading half my server that took half the night
06:06.40marcin_cbrmonger: yeah, it helps. Thanks.
06:06.41macrobatpkgs and their versions are connected, like an eco-system
06:07.14doubleclick:)
06:07.32AsmCoder8088still need a universal ABI
06:07.38FailPowahwhat does dovecot have to do with tor/vidalia package? :D
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06:11.48AsmCoder8088I thought this was funny:
06:11.49AsmCoder8088http://www.phonelosers.org/media/dealership_how_do_i_open_the_hood01.mp3
06:13.44rmrfhi, I used 'apt-get source' to get source of a package. And now it has a debian/patch directory inside. Are these patches applied in binary package?
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06:15.46Kamping_Kaiserrmrf: probably
06:16.23rmrfKamping_Kaiser: what do you mean?
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06:17.25Kamping_Kaiserrmrf: if its in the debian/patches/series file its applied (or the 00list file)
06:17.28Kamping_KaiserAIUI
06:17.40jmarsdenrmrf: It depends on how the debian/rules file applies them, whether they are in the debian/patch/series file (for some patch systems), etc.
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06:19.47rmrfKamping_Kaiser, jmarsden: thanks for your helps
06:20.41jmarsdenrmrf: No problem.  Reading the New Maintainer guide would give you an overview of Debian packaging, BTW.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
06:21.28Kamping_Kaiserrmrf: np
06:21.43Kamping_Kaiserjmarsden: with the proviso its out of date and may not apply correctly in a lot of situations
06:22.01Kamping_Kaiser(eg, the rules file quesiton we had before)
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06:22.27jmarsdenKamping_Kaiser: Sure... other than Ubuntu-specific docs, is there something more up to date I should be recommending instead?
06:22.57Kamping_Kaiserjmarsden: not that i'm aware of
06:23.04NoCodeAre there any settings I should enable with my GM965 chipset in my Lenovo laptop besides the defaults in xorg?
06:23.47NoCodeI'm also in Squeeze.
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07:11.52shan2hi
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07:12.15shan2any body there
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07:13.40CarstenAnybody got a clue how I can set BIOS to use my boot-CDROM while my radio PS/2 Keyboard and USB-Keyboard are not recognized?
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07:18.53mr_queueAnother kb seems easy, what's the boot order as is? boot from usb?
07:19.09mr_queueCarsten: ^
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07:19.51Carstenmr_queue, I assume HDD NIL NIL and no legacy support
07:20.24mrnice1hi, i got a strage keyboard problem with debian testing and german layout on a notebook.  The  (><|) key does give me the (#) key.
07:20.28Carstenmr_queue, I have tried yet two usb-kbs (cable) and ps/2-radio
07:21.01mr_queueCarsten: humm...
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07:22.28CarstenWell I think I try an USB2PS adapter first.
07:22.34CarstenI hope can find one around
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07:24.54Carstenalright is ther a hardwareforum? Does anybody know if the PS/2 interfaces were different for mouse/keyboard?
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07:32.49pobegaI'm trying to build a Debian package (following the DNMG) and I'm wondering -- how do I tell what params dh_auto_configure is run with?
07:33.39Kamping_Kaiserpobega: just ftr, you might want to be asking questions like this in #debian-mentors on oftc
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07:35.59pobegaKamping_Kaiser: thanks again :]
07:36.24Kamping_Kaiserpobega: np :}
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07:50.34TiMiDosrcds?
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07:59.01izanuffsource dedicated server.. its for half-life 2 and other games
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08:14.00localocais there a new url for the weekly builds downloads? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ and subdirs have no iso files
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08:14.58Kamping_Kaiserlocaloca: there was issues with cd buiding for the last few weeks, its possible they have not been fixed
08:16.53localocaoh i see
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08:29.25scream_hi, how do i install iceweasel 3.5 on debian testing?
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08:30.01craigevi1scream_:  install the version from sid
08:31.17scream_is there some guide for it? it's almost impossible to find such info using google. :(
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08:35.01scream_apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel gives iceweasel is already the newest version.
08:35.27scream_i did add the experimental deb line in sources.list.d
08:36.03craigevi1unstable not experimental
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08:37.57simonrvnscream_: you also need to update after you add the line...
08:38.37scream_thanks for your pointers. the problem was that i needed unstable instead of experimental
08:38.52scream_it seems to be installing now
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08:53.29sanderj_If I reboot the nfs server.. Wil the nfs clients work after the reboot, without mounting the devices again?
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08:53.57simonrvnsanderj_: yeh, usually, if configured as such
08:54.18simonrvnand if it's quick enough... they might block, or not, depending on configuration
08:54.19sanderj_How do I know if its configured to work?
08:54.30simonrvntry it :P
08:55.05sanderj_Its a server in production.. so I dont want to just try it. I want to have all the commands ready
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08:56.26simonrvnthis is how i mount them (partial list, the rest is irrelevant to you): wsize=16384,rsize=16384,bg,retry=10,intr,nfsvers=3,proto=tcp,mountproto=tcp,sec=sys
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08:56.51alexscreamegetting issue when trying to install libapache2-mod-python after udpating debian?
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08:58.36simonrvnsanderj_: server side i use sync (and sometimes wdelay) in /etc/exports
08:58.57alexscreameLinux AFROLAND 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
08:59.28alexscreamehave several versions of python installed??
08:59.32sanderj_simonrvn, I use sync
08:59.46alexscreameapt-get gives me the same error message over and over
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09:01.10simonrvnsanderj_: i find setting those options on mount helps reliability and speed (that long list i pasted above)
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09:01.37simonrvnsanderj_: udp (the default) sometimes causes timeouts (on rare occasions)
09:01.51alexscreamethanks
09:02.15simonrvnalexscreame: IOW, you need to be clearer ;)
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09:03.13sanderj_simonrvn, aint udp faster?
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09:03.28Candlejacdoes anyone have any info on this new debian addon?
09:03.29Candlejachttp://bit.ly/19dPM7
09:04.05sanderj_simonrvn, I use: rw,noatime,wsize=8192,rsize=8192
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09:05.22ikonia!ops Candlejac banned multiple channels for posting bad links
09:05.23dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: Candlejac banned multiple channels for posting bad links
09:05.41simonrvnikonia: thanks
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09:05.52simonrvna2: Candlejac spammer
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09:07.39testi_How do I have to set up a bridge, so that: 1. it is created on startup, 2. does not disrupt IP-Configuration of the devices (Acquiring and keeping IP-address from DHCP-Server)
09:07.49testi_*system started
09:08.00testi_*system start
09:08.03testi_sry
09:08.03Candlejactesti
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09:09.04MK_FGHi, ppl
09:09.11Candlejacno
09:09.54MK_FGCan someone suggest what to do with "postgresql-server-dev-8.4: Depends: libpq-dev (>= 8.4~) but it is not going to be installed // E: Broken packages" error of apt-get?
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09:10.19MK_FGI need pgsql headers quite badly ;)
09:10.21simonrvnazeem: thank you
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09:10.34simonrvnMK_FG: use aptitude
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09:10.49MK_FGHmm
09:10.53MK_FGWill do, thanks
09:11.51MK_FGWorked like charm... didn't knew there's any difference ;)
09:11.57MK_FGThanks, simonrvn!
09:12.08simonrvnaptitude's better at dep handling
09:12.12simonrvnnp
09:12.25alexscreameI have a problem with apache2, python and apt-get install; I'm running Debian version squeeze/sid. When I try to do "sudo apt-get install, remove or purge of either apache2 or libapache2-mod-python" I get the following output "Setting up libapache2-mod-python (3.3.1-8) .../var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-python.postinst: 11: pycentral: not found dpkg: error processing libapache2-mod-python (--configure):  subprocess installed
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09:13.32simonrvnalexscreame: looks like you're missing pycentral
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09:17.08alexscreamewhere can i install that?
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09:17.31Thelma!ot
09:17.31dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.  #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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09:20.49mmjj23does anyone know how to set s
09:21.06mmjj23a systemwide environment variable
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09:21.37mmjj23temporally
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09:25.14leodadji'm having difficulty getting ethernet to work on leny 5 / Xfce
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09:25.38leodadjproblem being it doesn't come with a network manager
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09:26.57leodadji asked in the #xfce and was told to get wicd
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09:27.39leodadjso i downloaded it on my win pc but i can't mount usb in xfce
09:27.59leodadji get 7 folders 001 - 007 and a device file
09:28.38leodadjusing "mount -t usbfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash"
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09:29.29leodadjthe device file has info about my usb so it's kind of recognised but can see no files
09:29.53Arrowmasteruse the real filesystem name not usbfs
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09:30.08Arrowmasterprobably vfat
09:30.18leodadjthanks but i tried vfat and got:
09:30.52MorkBorkgot what?
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09:30.56cahoottry -t auto
09:31.05leodadjwrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
09:31.09leodadjthanks
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09:31.23Arrowmasterdo you have a /dev/sda2?
09:31.29leodadjsays: must specify the fs type
09:32.29leodadjall the way up to sda6
09:32.44leodadji think it's cos i got a few partitions
09:33.02Arrowmasterare you sure the flash drive is sda?
09:33.15leodadjpretty sure
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09:33.27leodadjit was listed as a sda device in the partition manager during setup
09:33.29Arrowmasteryou have 6 partitions on your flash drive?
09:33.36leodadjno on my hd
09:33.43Arrowmasterthen sda is not your flash drive
09:33.48leodadji see
09:34.09leodadjthere are numberous usbdev1.1_ep00 looking files
09:34.18leodadjbut i tried them all and they all yield same result
09:34.26leodadjthat is - the 7 folders
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09:34.28Arrowmasterit will be named sd[a-z]
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09:35.00scarra3I was thinking about going from Ubuntu to Debian what do you think
09:35.58mmjj23go to sidux instead
09:35.59Kamping_Kaiseri think its a silly question to ask #debian
09:36.05cahootscarra3: why ?
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09:36.58scarra3Because ubuntu is to easy for me I want somthing a little more challenging
09:37.11leodadjArrowmaster - thank you got it working with sdb
09:37.13scarra3Should I go with the Minimal bootable cd image
09:37.17leodadjand vfat
09:37.22krionuxhi
09:37.36Kamping_Kaiserkrionux: allo
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09:38.13Kasbescarra3: You can try and dual boot it, so you can decide wich one you like more. Although if you're using EXT4 for Ubuntu, you'll have to install Grub2 after installing Debian
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09:38.42cahootor simply stick to ubuntus grub
09:38.45scarra3Ive tried debian before in virtual box and I liked it
09:39.00scream_scarra3, that's what i thought 4 months ago. now, Debian on laptop pisses me off. :D I mean it's great on servers, but it need a lot of tweaking on desktop systems
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09:39.18scarra3I was just wondering if I should go with the full cd or the debian minimual boot
09:39.38scream_scarra3, just get a minimal cd and do a network install
09:39.45Kasbedepends on your conection speed
09:39.56Kasbeconnection*
09:40.09scarra316 mbs
09:41.06scarra3Can I use unetbootin?
09:41.42cahootscarra3: why not use ubuntus usb creator?
09:41.49scarra3or that
09:42.00cahoottoo easy?
09:42.04scarra3I mean can I boot it from usb using a client like that?
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09:43.04KasbeIf I recall correctly, you can mount a bootable USB out of any ISO using Ubuntu's Usb creator
09:43.19MorkBorktheres a tool called unetbootin
09:43.27MorkBorkand debian actually has instructions to make a bootable usb thing
09:43.39MorkBorkyou just download a 40mb image, dd it to the device, then copy an install image
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09:44.08MorkBorkhttp://www.debian-administration.org/article/Boot_Debian_from_an_USB_device
09:44.31MorkBorkand re some comments above, debian does piss me off in some aspects (cough) networking scripts (cough)
09:44.36MorkBorkbut overall its stable and light so whatever
09:45.11MorkBorkthe opposite end of the spectrum being something like gentoo, which has some great, really great, configuration scripts, but updates far too often
09:45.22MorkBorklifes full of compromises eh
09:45.45scream_scarra3, i recomend you install testing release. stable has pretty old packages for desktop use
09:46.10cahootor rather install stable and upgrade?
09:46.24scarra3But isn't the testing release bad because its being tested
09:46.29Kamping_Kaiserscream_: I'd disagree with that assertion
09:46.35Arrowmasterno if you are going to use testing install testing from a netinst cd
09:46.40themillscream_: there's nothing wrong with stable for desktop use. All my desktop machines run stable.
09:46.44Kamping_Kaiserscream_: especially because someone coming here running testing is likely to be told 'you get to keep both halfs'
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09:47.21scream_dunno, after ubuntu XFCE packages seemed old. Also you don't get iceweasel 3.5 even on testing
09:47.24Arrowmasterboth testing and sid are rather broken right now with gnome
09:47.27scarra3Ya right now I am working with C++
09:48.07themill!versionsmite scream_
09:48.08dpkgupgrades scream_ to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>)
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09:49.03scream_themill, it's not about version chasing.  i was used to xfce with squeeze archive manager and other new goodness.
09:49.06themillscream_: you'll find the same version of xfce in sid and on backports.org.
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09:50.38U-Dieniko c'est le bordel sur debian !
09:50.43U-Dieattention ça pue
09:50.51U-Diey a que des trous du cul sur ce canal
09:50.55U-Dieet ils ne parlent pas français
09:50.57U-Diec'est triste
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09:51.08U-Diejayne !!!
09:51.10U-Dieun connard
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09:51.16U-Diekick him
09:51.21U-Dieis a bitch
09:51.25U-Diejew
09:51.29JPTnous ne sommez pas parle(z) francais, aussi?
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09:51.51JPToh
09:52.01JPT:D
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09:52.37scream_that's the problem with debian. always need to search for these packages somewhere. i have no problem with old and tested versions of server software. and that is where Debian, IMHO, shines ;)
09:53.19at0mhi, where would one define system-wide proxy settings?
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09:54.32at0mi've set up proxies for apps with a GUI, but now would like wget, aptitude etc to use the proxy too
09:56.07themillscream_: "search somewhere"? packages.debian.org would have told you that.
09:57.23Kamping_Kaiserat0m: wget should respect the http_proxy environment variable
09:57.37themillat0m: export http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/
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09:59.27Debian-userHi,
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10:00.25smangoniHi, I'm compiling kernel (debian) 2.6.26 to enable pptp support, but when I browse the networking session (PPP) I cannot find MPPE section..
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10:02.42at0mthemill, Kamping_Kaiser thanks!
10:02.57Kamping_Kaisernp :)
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10:04.44at0mfek me, just exported on the proxy instead of on one of the clients... better first drink my coffee in the morning eh
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10:04.54Kamping_Kaiserhehe
10:05.14Kamping_Kaiserat0m: if you have a dedicated proxy you might want to consider making it a transparent proxy
10:05.53at0mKamping_Kaiser: running squid on the home server, filtering what adblock would
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10:06.33Kamping_Kaiserat0m: squid+adblock is nice.
10:06.43at0mKamping_Kaiser: so now on the router all MAC's are filtered, except the proxy
10:06.50Kamping_Kaiserat0m: seriously, whack squid in transparent mode :)
10:07.05at0mKamping_Kaiser: will look that up
10:07.08Kamping_Kaiserwhich reminds me, i need to work out why squids logs are not rotating
10:07.17at0mKamping_Kaiser: the proxy will work as gateway then?
10:07.39Kamping_Kaisernot sure i understand that quesiton
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10:08.05at0mlike set as gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
10:08.28at0mhm never mind, will look it up, the transparent squid thing
10:08.46Kamping_Kaiseroh, yeah. Ill admit i thought it was the gateway. should stll be doable, just might need more magic
10:09.59at0mhad huge fun with mod_rewrite the other day =]
10:10.33Kamping_Kaisernot dealt with that for quite a while, happily
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10:11.38at0mhad a truckload of sites on different ports, putting them to http://server/service instead of http://server:port
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10:11.46at0mfun fun
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10:11.54Kamping_Kaiseryup
10:12.35Kamping_Kaiseri've not used it for anything more taxing then adding a / to a rui
10:12.37Kamping_Kaiser*uri
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10:13.07jey2I dont have root access, and I want to get irssi
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10:13.15jey2can I just download/install it to my home dir?
10:13.45at0mjey2: indeed, but dont ask me how
10:14.03jey2at0m: How?
10:14.04jey2:P
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10:14.14at0mlet me know =]
10:14.40leodadjhow do i restart dbus please?
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10:16.40jey2or does anyone know where I can download the binaries of irSSI?
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10:17.11petemcjey2: aptitude install irssi
10:17.16at0mjey2: irssi.org ?
10:17.52petemcoh, no root access
10:17.53azeemat0m: no
10:18.04jey2at0m: it just jgive binary packages, aka says to use apt-git
10:18.08jey2*apt-get
10:18.12azeemwell, I doubt they have binary packages
10:18.31jey2yah
10:18.34jey2i have gtcc anyway
10:18.41jey2I thought I didn't
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10:24.05leodadjwhere abouts shall i put my wicd init script?
10:24.35leodadji mean - how do i get it to start in Xfce
10:25.16cahootleodadj: in my experience it's already made to start automagically
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10:27.03leodadjthanks cahoot, so i should just restart the system after install?
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10:27.23cahootleodadj: isn't wicd already running?
10:27.38leodadji'm just installing it now
10:27.42leodadjwell, just installed
10:27.52riz_Hi. Which kernel I need to install for this processor? Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  E2180  @ 2.00GHz ? (Actually I use Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP but I think this is not the right one) Thanks
10:28.11leodadjand at the end of the install readme it says to restart dbus and configure wicd init script to start
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10:28.48nevynriz_: looks rihgt
10:28.56nevynriz_: that's the correct kernel.
10:28.58cahootleodadj: you install ad modum debian?
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10:30.22riz_nevyn: really? AMD for intel?
10:30.32nevynriz_: it's amd64
10:30.44at0mriz_: amd64 is for both intel and amd 64bit cpu's
10:30.53riz_nevyn: ah
10:30.54nevynriz_: which intel called x86_e
10:30.55leodadjcahoot: not sure what that is. i installed lenny debian
10:30.58nevynor whatever it was
10:30.59ichbinsnuhri think he can use linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 too?
10:31.08riz_nevyn, at0m: thanks!
10:31.12at0michbinsnuhr: sure, 32bit then
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10:31.23ichbinsnuhryeah
10:31.29leodadjcahoot: trying to get xfce working with net
10:31.43riz_linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 this is for 32 bit (I think) this machine is 64bit
10:31.54nevynriz_: debian are holding onto amd64 as the name as as something of a protest against intel appropriateing the instructionset while making it difficult for everyone to realise that's what they were doing
10:32.05nevynriz_: yeah you probably don't want that.
10:32.06cahootleodadj: pgrep wicd
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10:32.29riz_okok, now it's clear. Thanks again!
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10:34.16ramo102Hi all, have anyone had trouble with wireless card on a fujitsu amilo li2735? Mine does not work due to HW RF kill switch
10:34.44leodadjcahoot: nothing happened
10:35.05cahootleodadj: ok so ot's not started
10:35.44leodadji need to know how to restart dbus and get wicd init script to auto start
10:36.15leodadjor reload dbus's config
10:36.23leodadjbut i'm noob so have no idea
10:36.31tdnI have a default drop policy with iptables. What do I need to allow in order to have my machine mount NFS shares?
10:36.40riz_now I have a strange problem with grub-pc update: http://pastebin.com/m7e1c5ecf  What does means?
10:37.32cahootleodadj: you have a wired connection atm+
10:37.34cahoot?
10:37.35leodadjyes
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10:37.49leodadjonly on win tho
10:37.57cahootleodadj: what kind of wlan device?
10:38.13leodadjintel 4965agn
10:38.14cahootleodadj: on win?
10:38.21leodadji have internet on win
10:38.25leodadjxfce is internetless
10:39.29cahootleodadj: even if you keep the ethernet cable connected when booting debian?
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10:39.40leodadji can't get even eth to work on debian xfce
10:39.53leodadjyes, even when booting with plugged
10:40.07leodadjgreen light is on
10:40.11twiggzdhcp?
10:40.18leodadjno connection manager in xfce
10:40.27leodadjso hopefully wicd will solve
10:40.37leodadjbut i can't figure out how to restart dbus
10:40.45twiggztry dhclient eth0
10:41.15cahootleodadj:  try /etc/init.d/dbus restart
10:41.33leodadjwmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
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10:42.52leodadjsorry, twiggz got the dhcp ip address, but "chown:failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or dir"
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10:43.19twiggzare you root?
10:43.23leodadjactually twiggz: it worked
10:43.26leodadjthanks
10:43.27twiggzyw
10:43.52leodadj:D
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10:44.25yucatan1hello guys i have a debian machine
10:44.30twiggzthe installation should have given you the option to set your network up via dhcp to begin with
10:44.46twiggzwell, atleast the netinst iso would have....i never use the full cds...
10:44.58leodadjit did but my mission is not to get eth to work but to get wireless working
10:45.10leodadji just assumed the eth would work straight away
10:45.33twiggzI dont know much about wireless, i dont mind using cables.
10:45.44twiggzI have no use for a notebook or anything...
10:46.02cahootleodadj:  for the wlan you want firmware-iwlwifi installed
10:46.24leodadjthanks cahoot, i know - just getting the nonfree sources updated now
10:46.47twiggzhe just needed an internet connection to get it done ;)
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10:47.41leodadjtoo right
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10:48.23yucatan1hello guys i have a debian machine with 3 network cards one is lan1 is lan2 one is wan. lan1 need to be forwarded to wan and the address should be changed using NAT lan2 need to changed to a address using NAT but now is my point is it possible that if LAN1 is requesting internet speed that it always gets the speeds it wants if LAN2 is asking speed it only gets it if available. so LAN1 always gets more priority then LAN2 now my question is
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10:50.31mmjj23is it possible to add proxy settings to /etc/network/interfaces as profiles for different networks?
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10:51.28soulchildis it recommended to install the 64bit version of sid ?
10:51.37cuscono
10:51.38cusco:)
10:51.56twiggzsid is not recommended at all.
10:51.57cuscoperhaps the 64bit version of lenny?
10:52.04twiggzsure
10:52.06yucatan1use stable
10:52.14nevyndoes multiarch work at this point?
10:52.18soulchildI use sid for years and I am happy with it
10:52.21nevynor is it still chroots and such
10:52.32soulchildbleeding edge is good for me ;)
10:52.35cuscowhat do you mean by multi arch?
10:52.41twiggzYou get flamed when you mention sid around here.
10:52.46soulchildI see
10:52.46twiggzI did once.
10:52.49babilensoulchild: You still don't want to use the sid installed. Install stable and upgrade after that.
10:52.52cuscoyou either have a 32 bit kernel withc only rus 32bit or a 64bit kernel that runs both
10:52.53twiggzI moved to testing quick.
10:53.01babilensoulchild: s/installed/installer
10:53.08twiggzI get treated better when I run testing.
10:53.10twiggzhaha
10:53.13nevyninstalling 32bit apps on 64bit debian..
10:53.27nevynI think my next machine is going to be 32bit anyway
10:53.34mmjj23does anyone know how to create proxy profiles, as i move around 4 different networks all with different proxy settings??
10:53.41cuscowhat 32 bit applications would you install?
10:53.46cuscoalso uses testing
10:54.09soulchildwhat kde version does testing have at the moment ?
10:54.22cuscommjj23: is proxy based on $http_proxy var?
10:54.27twiggzIm working on my own home rolled openbox debian testing based install....might be a distro one day.
10:54.34mmjj23yes
10:54.39twiggzUsing Elive at the moment though, its interesting.
10:54.48Muhammadis there any automatic way to remove all packages that were installed by apt-get build-dep foo command ? or i've to remove them manually?
10:55.00mmjj23the var needs to be system wide though
10:55.11nevyncusco: firefox particularly
10:55.14babilenyucatan1: Have a look at iptables, also read about quality of service. You might want to consider prioritising certain hosts/services. Ask in #iptables and/or read the tutorial on frozentux
10:55.43yucatan1i use iptables pretty much
10:55.47yucatan1for NAT
10:56.03yucatan1but i dont know how i should give one lan more rights then the other lan
10:56.10yucatan1that the only issue i have using iptables
10:56.15yucatan1the rest i already know
10:56.19nevynmore rights?
10:56.34nevynwhat's that even mean in a firewall/iptables context.
10:56.45yucatan1i have a debian machine
10:56.48yucatan1with 2 lans
10:56.51yucatan1and 1 wan
10:56.58yucatan1the one is testing network
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10:57.04babilenmmjj23: You could write a shell script that sets the proxies and call that within a "up command" or "down command" stanza in your /e/n/interfaces
10:57.12yucatan1the other is is more important
10:57.28yucatan1if LAN1 requets speed it always gets it
10:57.39yucatan1if LAN2 requests speed it only get it if available
10:57.47nevynoh qos with iptables.
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10:57.52babilenyucatan1: You might want to ask in #iptables. I never had the need to o anything like that and therefore don't know how to do this.
10:57.55Hui_nanhi all
10:58.06yucatan1nevyn explane
10:58.08yucatan1qos?
10:58.09Hui_nanI'm trying to bind a service to a tcp port 210
10:58.10yucatan1what u mean
10:58.19Hui_nanservice says that permissions are denied
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10:58.33babilenyucatan1: As i said, read the tutorial at frozentux, search for 'iptables "quality of service"' and/or ask in #iptables.
10:59.02nevynyucatan1: this stuff is tricky and beyond the scope of here..
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10:59.16Hui_nanso how to allow the binding?
10:59.26yucatan1babilen what u mean with frozentux?
10:59.28babilenyucatan1: Let us/me know if you found a solution.
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10:59.59nevynHui_nan: only root can bind to ports below 1024
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11:00.07nevyn(yes this is stupid no it won't change)
11:00.14cusconevyn: good question. is it not available in 64 bit?
11:00.17babilenyucatan1: http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/
11:00.28nevyncusco: firefox is. firefox plugins are not.
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11:00.56cusconevyn: which?
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11:01.48nevynfirefox is availible as a 64bit binary... many non-free firefox plugins are not availible as 64bit code
11:01.54Hui_nannevyn: thank you very much!
11:01.59jeevescan someone point me to a good howto for setting up a RSYNC server/client pair?
11:02.12mmjj23babilen: what command would give a system wide env. var.
11:02.17babilenyucatan1: Although that might be a bit too basic if you already use iptables on a daily basis. What you want to do is called "quality of service" in which you usually prioritise one *service* over another. Say: www over ircd.
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11:03.13yucatan1hmm thx
11:03.18yucatan1i shall search
11:03.19yucatan1and try
11:03.24nevynbabilen: but you can qos tag on src and then use that in the forwarding chain to determine priority
11:03.29nevyncan't you...
11:03.48Kamping_Kaiserhow many binary packages does debian have? 18K?
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11:03.57themillKamping_Kaiser: /msg dpkg dstats
11:04.03Kamping_Kaiserthemill: cheers
11:04.13nevynneato.
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11:04.36babilennevyn: Yes, i am sure you can do it. I have never done it though. If i wanted to do it I would start reading about "quality of service" with iptables and figure out to apply what is usually used for services, to NICs
11:04.44Kamping_Kaiser2000 packages? that can't be right
11:05.10nevynKamping_Kaiser: numbers are changing
11:05.18nevyndpkg is updating it's stats
11:05.18dpkgnevyn: I give up, what is it?
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11:05.57Kamping_Kaisernevyn: oh, cheers.
11:06.05Kamping_Kaiser2000 maintainers. just wow
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11:06.32nevynKamping_Kaiser: but that's only source packages
11:06.40nevynsome source packages create multiple binaries.
11:06.54Kamping_Kaisernevyn: thats ok, its more then the 9000 listed atm.
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11:07.27utrrrongeebWhen I log in to Xfce, USB drives connected to the system are automatically mounted. How can I stop that? [Debian Lenny]
11:09.17utrrrongeebI had usbmount installed, but removing it didn't change anything.
11:09.43themillKamping_Kaiser: you could also grep -c "^Package: " /var/lib/apt/lists/*_sid_*_binary-*_Packages
11:10.09nevynutrrrongeeb: vigr find plugdev remove your user account
11:10.12nevyn;)
11:10.39utrrrongeebnevyn: I meant stopping the /automatic/ mounting.
11:10.52themill!thunar-volman
11:10.53dpkgthunar-volman is a volume manager, like gnome-volume-manager is, but for XFCE, to auto mount your removable devices like USB keys.
11:11.44utrrrongeebthemill: Can thunar-volman be set to not automount? If not, will removing it interfere with manual mounting (i.e. the volume desktop icons)?
11:12.19themillutrrrongeeb: no idea and no idea. I use KDE and it gives me these options already -- don't know what xfce does.
11:13.03utrrrongeebthemill: Thanks -- that's a help, I know where to look now....
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11:17.19babilennevyn: I actually dislike the whole "quality of service" idea and am a supporter of "net neutrality"
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11:18.43Rada_Hi, how do I make a user passwordless? I freebsd this is done as root by 'pw usermod username -w no' - this way, it's not possible to use a password to log in (ie blank password also rejected)
11:19.01babilenmmjj23: You would not want to do this system wide. The best I can think of is to do this with some logic in your ~/.bash_env
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11:19.14babilenmmjj23: What kind of networks do you need to connect to?
11:19.20babilenmmjj23: Only wireless?
11:19.37cuscoRada: not sure, perhaphs erasing the root username from /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd
11:19.54mmjj23yes i use wpa_supplicant to auto. switch between them
11:19.56cuscoI would change the shell to flase, if I only wanted to disable shell access tho
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11:20.09Radacusco: My users name is "alive", so in freebsd it would be "pw usermod alive -w no" <- disable passworded logins for this user
11:20.10themillRada: "passwd -l" is probably what you are looking for.
11:20.21nevynbabilen: net neutrality is all good until moron developers decide that adobe acrobat should check for updates once a second
11:20.22Radathemill: Thank you :)
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11:20.42babilenmmjj23: And you have a set of wireless networks for which you want to set http_proxy to a specific value?
11:21.15mmjj23yea
11:21.16mmjj23any ideas?
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11:21.37babilennevyn: Yes, but even in this case i would rather Block the whole host and resolve the issue than prioritising services.
11:21.43cuscohave a script that asks you where you are and sets it accordingly :P
11:22.11themillmmjj23: I suspect the only approach here would be to run a proxy on localhost and export http_proxy=http://localhost:800/ for everything and then have some if-up/down hooks that reconfigure that proxy depending on what network you're attached to
11:22.16babilenmmjj23: The problem is that you will end up with many different settings for http_proxy over the time...
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11:23.26paissad_hi all
11:24.04paissad_my init.d script does not work , i just see the "echo pid -> $pid"
11:24.05paissad_paissad@paissad-server:/etc/init.d$ pastebinit -i pms-linux-server
11:24.05paissad_http://pastebin.com/f6f4f8a00
11:24.18paissad_but the program does not start
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11:24.22mmjj23i'll look into the local proxy idea, thanks guys!
11:24.46themillmmjj23: I don't know if you can chain proxies like that and not have lots of problems with it though... good luck!
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11:34.17cuscommjj23: try this: http://paste.debian.net/51095/
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11:35.07mmjj23wow thanks!!
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11:35.29superlinuxhi all
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11:36.29cuscommjj23: you need to edit it according to your needs (like the proxy address)
11:36.38cuscohi superlinux
11:37.23superlinuxhow can i exactly know the best mirror of what so ever domain to download something from it ?
11:37.26babilenmmjj23: That still has the problem that you will end up with different settings of http_proxy in different shells
11:37.26superlinuxcusco, hi
11:37.48beckypaissad_, is line 23 correct ". /lib/lsb/init-functions"? Also I wouldn't redirect all output from the $DEAMON start procedure to /dev/null if it isn't working well.
11:39.08FailPowahbrb, gotta reconnect,seem to have almost a minute lag
11:39.17FailPowahwrong windor >.<
11:39.17paissad_becky, yes line 23 is correct, btw could add the output to /dev/null but for the moment they are not the things which make my script not working i think
11:39.35cuscosuperlinux: I do not fully understand your questions
11:41.06superlinuxlook i , for example , am in lebanon.  Israel is listed on the php.net mirror. Lebanon is at war technically with israel. though i can download from israel but the rout goes through some router in london. we dont have a direct link with them. I know i could have selected any route by guessing. however i want the fastest accurately
11:41.13MorkBorksuperlinux, mirrorselect tool
11:41.20superlinuxok
11:41.24superlinuxthanks
11:41.31MorkBorkhttp://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Mirrorselect
11:41.33MorkBorkcan read there
11:42.02superlinuxok
11:43.16MorkBorkoh
11:43.16MorkBorkshit
11:43.16babilenMorkBork: gentoo?
11:43.16MorkBorkwrong channel
11:43.16MorkBorkrofl
11:43.16cuscothis is not gentoo
11:43.16cuscoo.O
11:43.16MorkBorkhttp://www.debianadmin.com/howto-select-fastest-mirror-in-debian.html
11:43.16babilen!teall superlinux -about mirror
11:43.16babilen!tell superlinux -about mirror
11:43.16MorkBorkthere you go ^
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11:44.41babilensuperlinux: Have a look at netselect-apt and apt-spy (/msg dpkg netselect-apt /msg dpkg apt-spy )
11:44.56superlinuxok dear
11:45.00superlinuxthanks
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11:45.15superlinuxi just want the netselect alone
11:45.21beckypaissad_, well is like reading a crystal ball. I guess to need to go through your script line for line and test where it stucks.
11:45.27superlinuxi found it in the pkg list
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11:47.16Roland-hey people, is there a way to uninstall dhcp client?
11:47.21Roland-and use dhcpcd over it?
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11:49.10cahootI suspect installing dhcpcd would remove dhclient
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11:50.49Roland-let me put it this way, how do i see which package contains a file?
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11:51.12babilenRoland-: apt-file search PATTERN
11:51.25j_14Roland-: dpkg -S file
11:52.55tarashi. I have next problem: changing laptop display brightness works only in :0, and doesn't work in other graphical or text consoles
11:53.03taraslenny on toshiba laptop
11:53.06taraswhat to do?
11:53.12babilenRoland-: The former searches all packages, the latter only installed ones.
11:53.19Roland-The following packages will be REMOVED:
11:53.19Roland-<PROTECTED>
11:53.25Roland-yes, finnaly damn buggy
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11:58.36ZambeziThese debian-502-i386-DVD-1 to DVD-5, is it just main? Just curious cause I guy just wrote he wants the complete sourcecode to Ubuntu. And that's like alot... I'm just trying to get an idea how many GB that will be. Probably only 32 and/or 64 bit.
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12:01.23rgronly 32bit and or 64 bit eh? nice ...
12:01.51pifhi, anyone successfully used hp-setup to install a printer under debian?
12:02.44FailPowahhmm i changed kde theme to redmond.. now the "start menu" row moved and i cant get it back in the bottom.. suggestions?
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12:04.12Kamping_KaiserZambezi: the amount of source in debian which doesn't build on i386/amd64is negligable
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12:06.14Mtrakerwhere i can install libquicktime-x264 or libquicktime-extras?
12:06.18ZambeziKamping_Kaiser: Might be worse with Ubuntu. Debian is neat.
12:06.36Kamping_KaiserZambezi: might be, but I can't comment on that
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12:07.22kronicI'm having an issue installing lenny, it keeps reporting "Installation step failed" with Select and Install Software
12:07.24ZambeziKamping_Kaiser: Do you have any idea now many lines the sourcecode is on Lenny?
12:07.26kronicthe log reports pkgsel
12:07.55Kamping_KaiserZambezi: no. i can promice there is a lot of 0's in the number though
12:08.04Kamping_KaiserZambezi: lots of groups of 0's infact :)
12:09.26ZambeziKamping_Kaiser: I think I saw a guy mention that Debian 3 had 230 million lines.
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12:09.54JohnDohhi, i replaced my harddrive and it moved from hda1 to sda1 but then i run update-grub it still uses hda1 does any one know what i have forgotten to update (everything else about the system works, its boots, just goes wrong with menu.lst is updated) thanks
12:10.01Kamping_KaiserZambezi: i could believe it
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12:10.06babilenMtraker: These packages are not in Debian. You could try debian multimedia...
12:10.18Kamping_KaiserJohnDoh: grubs device.map
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12:10.35babilenMtraker: Where do you have the package names from?
12:11.10JohnDoh/boot/grub/device.map ? that lists the new hd and not the old one
12:11.13Mtrakerwhen i make open media editor tryme that
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12:12.12craigevi1Mtraker:  gonna have to Google, those packages arent in debian or debian-multimedia.org's repos
12:12.22babilenMtraker: Could you rephrase that? What is "open media editor" and could you paste the output of the command that urges you to install these packages?
12:12.37babilencraigevi1: There is libx264 in dmm
12:13.07craigevi1l262 yes but not libquicktime264
12:15.06craigevi1libx264-dev, libx264-78, x264, gstreamer0.10-x264, is pretty nmuch all that shows up here  doing apt-get search 264
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12:17.08HSorgYvesthe files in /etc/cron.d are run automatically? or do i need to refresh them in some way after a modification?
12:17.22babilencraigevi1: Ok - Guess Mtraker is out of luck then. Still wonder what this "open media editor" is though...
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12:17.47babilenHSorgYves: Are they executable?
12:18.11babilenHSorgYves: forget that..
12:18.31HSorgYvesbabilen: no, they define cron jobs, they do not need to be...
12:18.58craigevi1babilen: perhaps he meant, openmovieeditor - a simple non-linear video editor
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12:19.45babilenHSorgYves: yes - (which is why i said "forget that" ) they should be executed in the interval you specify there
12:20.09HSorgYvesbabilen: but what if i change something inside, how to refresh?
12:20.48babilenHSorgYves: IIRC cron wakes up around once per minute and reads these files.
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12:21.17HSorgYvesbabilen: ok
12:21.20babilenHSorgYves: So that would make the change happen more or less automagically. Have a look at the man pages...
12:21.27zambais it possible to fix a ethx_rename without rebooting?
12:21.45HSorgYvesbabilen: thx
12:22.13babilenHSorgYves: But why not use crontab and/or weekly/daily/hourly ?
12:23.02HSorgYvesbabilen: because the default debian way to purge php sessions is done through /etc/cron.d/php5
12:23.26HSorgYvesbabilen: and i need to modify the path inside, because i store them in a non-standard path
12:23.41babilenHSorgYves: Ah - alright. Hope it works...
12:23.56Mtrakeri'm here other time, reinstall libquicktime with x264 enabled
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12:24.36HSorgYvesbabilen: me too, in crontab(5) is a comment which is also in /etc/crontab confirming that the update is done automatically
12:25.01kronicok, seems to be the kernel causing an installation issue during "Select & Install"
12:25.06kronicanyone ran into something like that
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12:27.05babilenkronic: could you elaborate on "that"  ?
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12:27.36kronicbabilen: I'm installing lenny, and it errors "Installation step failed" during "Select and install software"
12:28.02kronicso I  attempt to run "select and install software" again, the step that it takes is "preparing kernel..." and then it fails again
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12:29.06babilenkronic: Can you see any error message on tty9 (iirc) ?
12:29.17bugjarkronic, dunno if it applies, but i used a rather old netinst disk (4.0r0, 2007....) and it fails to find any software for installation from an ftp server.
12:29.52kronicbabilen: main-menu: WARNING ***: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1
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12:30.16bugjarkronic, also, i found that it also did that on a disk that i'd already installed a base image iwthout having clean disks
12:30.20babilenkronic: anything else that might explain what this error is?
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12:31.34bugjarcaused me some torment till i accepted that i would be perfectly able to install & upgrade manually
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12:32.05kronichmmm.. I might of found a solution, let me try something
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12:32.21kronichttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38934
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12:33.49babilen_is back
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12:34.53babilen_did you find any error messages that might explain more about this issue? Are you sure that there is enough space on the device?
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12:50.30cuscohow do I set my default sound device?
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12:51.29Saz|Laptopanyone have experience with testdisk on eSATA drives? I'm getting a "The harddisk (500 GB / 465 GiB) seems too small! (< 1000 GB / 931 GiB)" message
12:51.38Saz|LaptopNot sure why I'm getting this
12:51.51Saz|LaptopIt;s a standard 500GB SATA drive in an eSATA enclosure
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12:53.11kronicbabilen: that didn't shed any light, I'm installing from a cd image, how can I force it to update tzdata
12:53.34cuscoSaz|Laptop: is it empty?
12:53.38paissad_actually the matter comes from start-stop-daemon for START,
12:53.43paissad_http://pastebin.fr/5965
12:53.48Saz|Laptopcusco, no, one NTFS partition, a valid partition mind you
12:53.53paissad_here is the script ->
12:53.58cuscovalid for windows
12:53.59babilenkronic: Have to go right now... sorry. Good luck!
12:54.02paissad_paissad@paissad-server:/etc/init.d$ pastebinit -i pms-linux-server
12:54.03Saz|LaptopI'm gonna try a USB connection now
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12:54.09paissad_http://pastebin.com/fad58bee
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12:54.11cuscoSaz|Laptop: I got mensages like that with ntfs partitions
12:54.16cuscobefore
12:54.24cusconot sure it was exactly like that tho
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12:54.31Saz|Laptopnope, same result on USB
12:54.49cuscoSaz|Laptop: yes its not about the interface, its about the partition table
12:55.04Saz|Laptopcusco, I dont recall getting this message when the drive is used outside the enclosure
12:55.35Saz|Laptopbut its still going to find the partitions I need to recover from and work with them?
12:56.00prahalthis is to decipher where the breakage happened with regards to newer samba and gvfs (nautilus) and kio (konqueror)
12:56.19cuscoSaz|Laptop: I might be wrong then and you may do better to ignore what I have said
12:56.23cuscosorry
12:56.51Saz|LaptopI'll try it anyway, it can't hurt
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13:06.48sunsonI have a custom repo that contains just a few pkgs. I have put a Release file in the binary-<arch> dir but apt-get update seems to still ignore the file. Any ideas what I'm missing?
13:06.57sunson(and yes, the Packages.gz file is also there)
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13:16.47HSorgYvesbabilen: it worked
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13:27.15rjd__dpkg etch
13:27.15dpkgEtch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007.  Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>.  Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>.  Currently <4.0r8>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch
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13:31.38mazzachreWhat way to install Tomcat 6 on lenny? When I check aptitude I can only find Tomcat 5.5 packages...
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13:33.01MarkB1mazzachre: I just use the netbeans-bundle or J2ee bundles, from java.sun.com or netbeans.org
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13:33.56mazzachreMarkB1: netbeans? Is that not an IDE?
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13:34.51Methsnetbeans does contain glassfish and tomcat in one of its bundle options
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13:35.05Methsthe best way is just to get it from tomcat.apache.org IIRC
13:35.30themilljudd versions tomcat6
13:35.31juddthemill: tomcat6 -- sid: 6.0.20-7 squeeze: 6.0.20-7
13:35.36MarkB1Meths: right, I use glassfish and netbeans, so.....
13:35.56themillMaking a backport of the debian sid package would most likely be better.
13:36.03MethsMarkB1: So what's good for you isn't always the best answer to the question ;)
13:36.19MarkB1Meths: roger that, but for "core" stuff like this, I rarely use .debs
13:36.31MarkB1themill: roger that too
13:36.37paissad_help please
13:36.38paissad_http://pastebin.com/m1fc61da6
13:37.16mazzachreHmmm... How do I go about getting that backported? Or should I just fetch the binaries from apache and run it in /opt
13:37.26MarkB1the J2ee bundles from java.sun.com are pretty easy to deal with, if you have any experience at all -- IMHO
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13:39.05mazzachreMarkB1: I have not used Debian too much... I am a developer, and on my workstation use Gentoo... but what does the j2ee bundles include? and are they apt packages?
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13:39.41MarkB1mazzachre: they are not .debs -- you need to drop them in /opt -- I use /usr/local/encap and epkg for local-stuff
13:39.58MarkB1needs to make a blog entry on such stuff, doh
13:40.27mazzachreMarkB1: I will send you a small flower for Xmas if you'd write something up on that :)
13:40.47themillActually, backporting that thing is going to be a pig because the the horrid mess that java packaging is. Wtf java developers seem to make completely undistributable code, I'll never know.
13:40.51mazzachreI am used to the way Tomcat 6 works (and when it does not)...
13:41.00MarkB1mazzachre: email me at mbiggers@med.unc.edu -- I can get you details ...
13:41.13mazzachrethemill: Ya... Java can be horrible (and usually is)...
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13:41.40MarkB1can deal with Java, it's just another way of doing web devel -- big deal -- zope, plone yet another -- django yet another
13:41.54hamilton5Linux version 2.6.31.5h4 ( Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid )
13:42.33themillMarkB1: I'm yet to meet an upstream java developer who actually produces java code that debian can just use. (And Eclipse is the worst of them all). </rant>
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13:43.12MarkB1themill: I can empathize, but I haven't taken the time to fully grok Deb packaging -- rpm was painful enuf
13:43.16Titan8990themill, i thought one of the major benefits of java was that it can easily be ran on different platforms?
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13:43.37Anthro[OT] I'm looking for recommendations for a PCI (not PCI-X) SATA card, with at least two eSATA ports, for use under Linux. I'm getting tired of dealing with IEEE1394.
13:43.50miro_dietikerhi -- my sysql-server-5.0 is reporting install errors due to a "logger" not recognizing some commands. (because i have busybox's logger) ... how do i find the full logger package?
13:43.57themillTitan8990: yes, but if upstream doesn't give you something that you can compile, then that's a moot point.
13:43.59MarkB1I would like "local packages" that aren't (totally) dependent on the Linux version -- epkg is close
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13:44.55Titan8990Anthro, majority of the cheap ones will use sata_sil driver and its not the best but will work
13:45.30Titan8990Anthro, the silicon images storage controllers are cheap and supported
13:45.33mazzachrestarted using Java in the mists of creational times, because it should be cross platform and future proof... sigh :D
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13:46.03MarkB1uses Python for much the same reasons .... ;)
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13:46.21Fantom__!dpkg xfi
13:46.21dpkg[x-fi] The Sound Blaster X-Fi is a sound card series from Creative Technology.  GPL-licensed vendor driver for EMU20K1/EMU20K2 chipsets (PCI-Ids 1102:0005, 1102:000b) merged in <ALSA> as snd-ctxfi, released in ALSA 1.0.21 (merged in Linux 2.6.32-rc1).  "Xtreme Audio" devices (CA0106/CA0110 chipsets) are supported by the snd-ca0106 (1102:0007) and snd-hda-intel (1102:0009) drivers in ALSA versions > 1.0.16.  http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi
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13:47.39Fantom__who haves sound blaster x-fi ?
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13:48.26miro_dietikerhow do i find package names, providing systems' executables?
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13:49.09mazzachreMarkB1: Ya... except, than I would have to learn yet another programming language... I could possibly use Ruby aswell... Or PHP...
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13:49.35AnthroTitan8990: What's bad about sata_sil?
13:49.40MarkB1mazzachre: Python is well worth the (rel. small) time spent
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13:50.17cuscoerr... how can I set my default sound device?
13:50.30Fantom__who haves sound blaster x-fi ?
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13:50.51mazzachreMarkB1: It is just that I already do alot of languages... Don't know if I have space for more :)
13:50.57grazymaxhi all
13:51.45Titan8990Anthro, nothing wrong with the driver but the controllers are pretty cheap
13:51.53Titan8990Anthro, will get the job done like I said though
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13:52.49YeretikHi... Can anybody tell me how to enable a virtualhost previously created on sites-available directory with nginx ?
13:52.50AnthroTitan8990: I'm happy with cheap and easily replaced. Any particular brands I should avoid? Any I should prefer?
13:53.32Fantom__who haves sound blaster x-fi ?
13:53.46Fantom__!dpkg spdif
13:53.46dpkgspdif is probably Sony Philips Digital InterFace, usualy a coaxial connection (RCA Phono) the Optical verson is known as TOSLINK. Get your kernel patch to enable this on an sblive from http://emu10k1.fsck.tv
13:54.21Fantom__!dpkg s/pdif
13:54.25Fantom__!dpkg s\pdif
13:54.31j_14miro_dietiker: use "dpkg -S file" to find out which package provided "file"
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13:55.50babilencusco: Do you use GNOME or KDE? They should have a method to configure the device used for input, output, ...
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13:56.41Titan8990Anthro, not really... during my research it was pretty much just a lottery
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13:57.01miro_dietikerj_14: thx. that's odd. my etch tells "bsdutils" provided logger -- while my system with busybox's logger tells bsdutils was installed...
13:57.13Titan8990Anthro, I decided to NOT get a rosewill because I don't like the company... I went with this for my debian fileserver: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028
13:57.23AnthroTitan8990: Good to know. Thanks for the advice.
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14:00.30siri1Hi all...Could anyone of you please inform me how to restore grub?I tried.. but,now i m getting only debian not Windows..After selecting windows its again loading grub.....Please help out..:-(
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14:01.52anewbiehi there guys i have problem with setup my static ip i am filtered by mac address from my provider but they say that there is an empty mac slot and when i appear in the network the system will grab my mac automaticly
14:02.03siri1I m a newbie...Could anyone of you please help me...
14:02.09anewbiebut it seems there is a  problem with my /etc/network/interfaces
14:02.20anewbiei think the line network is wrhong
14:02.40anewbiei am from that mas 255.255.255.192
14:02.48anewbieand for network i use 77.70.86.0
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14:02.51anewbieis that correct ?
14:02.57babilencusco: If you want to set in with ALSA you have to set something like "options snd_your_card_module_here index=0" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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14:03.22dffhas anyone here installed debian on the new mac mini server?
14:03.33j_14miro_dietiker: installing busybox causes no conflict with the regular utilities
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14:03.49babilenanewbie: Can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere?
14:04.10anewbiebabilen, i cant couse the  other pc have no connection but i can retype it here
14:04.11anewbie?
14:05.02babilen!tell anewbie -about paste
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14:05.28babilenanewbie: either retype it on one of the websites mentioned by dpkg or use a usb stick to transfer the file
14:05.33Sero2I can not create files in a folder with root:smsuser as user/group and drwxrwsr-x permissions. I am in the smsuser group. any ideas?
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14:06.39Titan8990Sero2, rws? setuid?
14:06.40babilenanewbie: I'll be back in a second. Ask the channel too! Good luck.
14:06.40TrueDDHowdy
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14:07.09anewbiebabilen, thx
14:07.11anewbiehere it is
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14:07.11anewbiehttp://paste.debian.net/51104/
14:07.24cuscobabilen: gnome
14:07.33cuscobabilen: it is set to -2 I believe
14:07.42miro_dietikerj_14: i did download bsdutils again from repo and installled using dpkg -- now logger is no more busyboxes... but i've seen no regular way to retrigger binary reconsideration...
14:07.46cuscono sorry, pcspearker is as -2
14:08.13jcmhi, I found out that my memory had pbs with memtest86+. Once I receive the new memory package, should I reinstall debian ? can some data be corrupted on disk because of memory failures ?
14:09.13anewbiecan some one tell is that right http://paste.debian.net/51104/
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14:09.48khaije|amaltwhy does the website make it so tricky to download the squeeze weekly iso's (bittorent), would jigdo be easier to locate?
14:10.16babilen!tell cuscu -about alsa
14:10.23babilencusco: brb Good luck
14:10.24Titan8990anewbie, yes
14:10.41anewbiehmm
14:10.42cuscook thanks babilen
14:10.46anewbiewhy then i can connect
14:11.15khaije|amaltlol, looks like it :) jigdo it is
14:11.18Titan8990anewbie, you mean why can't your connect?
14:11.41Titan8990anewbie, actually your network and broadcast are wrong
14:12.07khaije|amaltargh! the link is to an empty directory
14:12.13anewbieTitan8990, how i must edit them
14:12.14anewbie?
14:12.45Titan8990anewbie, actually, ipalc says thats not a valid IP address for that subnet mask
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14:14.01anewbiepfu
14:14.06Titan8990anewbie, sorry, I was reading wrong... network address should be 77.70.86.192
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14:14.23Titan8990anewbie, broadcast is correct
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14:14.50Titan8990anewbie, it would only be 0 in that case if the netmask was 255.255.255.0
14:15.02anewbieTitan8990, nope
14:15.10anewbie255.255.255.192 is given me by the ISP
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14:15.30Titan8990anewbie, right... the subnet mask is likely right, the network address isn't
14:15.40j_14miro_dietiker: just use "/bin/busybox logger" or make a symlink
14:16.10Titan8990anewbie, that would only be the correct network address if your ip ended in 1-62
14:16.24miro_dietikerj_14 .. mysql-server-5.0 install script uses logger -i -- which is not supported by busybox. causing install script to fail
14:16.37anewbiehmm
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14:16.43anewbiebut it's not
14:16.53datenritterkde's "systemsettings" tells me i cannot configure my printers, because either an old module was left on the system or i need to install one. an interface "KCModule" (keyword "...system-config-printer-kde.py") is missing. any ideas? kdeprint and kdeutils are installed
14:17.01datenritter(talking about debian testing here)
14:17.04miro_dietikerso using busybox is no option.
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14:17.37abrotmankhaije|amalt: those ISOs will be out of date in six hours .. please use a netinst instead
14:17.59Titan8990anewbie, http://pastebin.com/m49fc8d51
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14:18.47Titan8990anewbie, that is not the correct network address for the network that your IP is on (77.70.86.225/26)
14:18.51P_Kable_Hello, I get kicked out from ssh after a few minutes of inactivity, anyone knows how to fix that please ?
14:19.30khaije|amalthi abrotman, the snapshot-builds are released at 3p est? im actually looking for a netinst, thats my preference. are there squeeze netinst's available?
14:19.41j_14miro_dietiker: but is the script still calling busybox?
14:19.59Titan8990P_Kable, do you have TCPKeepAlive yes in your sshd_config?
14:20.02abrotmankhaije|amalt: no, testing is updated two or four times a day (can't remember which it is now) .. they're available from the debian-installer devel area
14:20.11abrotmankhaije|amalt: if you can't find it, let me know
14:20.17anewbieTitan8990, i can bealive it i use it on my other pc
14:20.17anewbieuff
14:20.31khaije|amaltthx v much abrotman
14:20.32miro_dietikerj_14 after replacement (by hand) - no. but i didn't find any way to replace the binary the "correct" way (i think)
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14:21.04Titan8990anewbie, im not going to sit here and argue basic subnetting... can you ping your gateway?
14:21.05miro_dietikerj_14 why can't i do something like dpkg-reconfigure bsdutils
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14:21.50anewbienope
14:22.10Titan8990anewbie, ifconfig show that you have the correct IP?
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14:23.01anewbieyes
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14:24.05j_14miro_dietiker: hmmm busybox does not make the symlinks by default, did you create them manually?
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14:24.53miro_dietikerj_14 no -- it's a netgear readyNAS ... may be they did...
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14:25.12Titan8990anewbie, pastebin netstat -rn
14:25.39justinyou don't even need to configure network and broadcast in interfaces, they can be computed from the netmask
14:25.47miro_dietikerwell... after my success in logger and busybox -- now mysql-server-5.0 still doesn't install correctly. (can't see any  log with sense)
14:26.37Titan8990justin, yeah but I was trying to pass on some info on how subnetting worked... didn't go through very well
14:27.18miro_dietikerohh... file write permissions... (daemon.log) :-(
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14:28.28Titan8990!qotd0
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14:31.53anewbiehttp://paste.debian.net/51108/
14:31.56anewbieTitan8990,
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14:33.40rdbIs there anything more forcibly to apt-get than -y --force-yes ?
14:34.03rdbI'm getting the "To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'"
14:34.17CarstenThats severe... whats it about?
14:34.19Titan8990anewbie, what kind of internet connection is this?
14:34.30rdbCarsten, hehe, just removing python-minimal
14:34.48abrotmanrdb: don't do that
14:34.48rdbits a chroot install... I don't even need to boot form it
14:34.53Carstenwell.. It looks like you are removing something that is really important
14:34.58miro_dietikerhmmmm... how may i extract a brand new my.cnf from mysql-server-5.0?
14:35.09abrotmanrdb: it's telling you that you're trying to remove a very important package ..
14:35.12rdbabrotman, Carsten, its just python-minimal, and this is a chroot machine that I don't even need to boot
14:35.21rdbyeah, I got that part :-)
14:35.30abrotmanwell, just do it
14:35.35Stereomiro_dietiker: copy your existing my.cnf; aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0; aptitude install !$
14:35.43rdbabrotman, as this is part of an automated script I'd really like to know if theres an option to force this
14:35.52rdbbesides echo Yes, do as I say | apt-get stuff
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14:36.28abrotmanrdb: there may be an apt.conf or dpkg option
14:36.30Stereordb: maybe with aptitude-create-state-bundle and aptitude-run-state-bundle ?
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14:36.48Carstendpkg --purge
14:36.49dpkgCarsten: are you using Windows?
14:37.00robinetdYesterday I was told that the debian squeeze images weren't actually meant to be used and to download the lenny images instead and upgrade to squeeze. What if I want / to be ext4? Lenny's installer doesn't support ext4 at all.
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14:37.13Carstenwinxp win2000, debian 5.0.3, xubuntu 9.10, kubuntu 8.10
14:37.18Carstendpkg, ^
14:37.18dpkgrumour has it, ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it, or the XOR operator, or beginning of line in regex, or the 'search files in this dir for the following regexp' operator in zsh
14:37.22babilen!tell robinetd -about kmuto
14:37.29miro_dietikerStere that's the same as apt-get remove --purge ... yes?
14:37.33Carstendpkg, why?
14:37.34dpkgBecause!
14:37.46pngwnCarsten, it's a bot
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14:37.54jpinx-eeepc!bot
14:37.54dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
14:37.54Titan8990pngwn, awww, you ruined the fun
14:38.02Carstendpkg --purge dpkg
14:38.03dpkgdrinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up dpkg all over carsten and namit...
14:38.18robinetdbabilen, Curses, more crap to download. :( thanks.
14:38.23Carstenomg a bot with humorous programmes Xo(
14:38.33babilenrobinetd: Why do you want ext4 anyway?
14:38.33Carstendpkg >> /dev/nil
14:38.34dpkgCarsten: I wish you would RTFM.
14:38.42Carstennever mind
14:38.43cr3rzemjesthow to determine touchpad device name, I mean /dev/[what's here]
14:38.47pngwnTitan8990, I consider dpkg more of a tool than a toy
14:38.56xaashihi, i'm curious, shouldn't the package linux-headers-`uname -r' place it's files or a link them in '/usr/include'  - so that users can include them ?
14:39.03cr3rzemjestbecause ls -l /dev/input/by_id doesn't tell much
14:39.06robinetdbabilen, Because it's not ancient. Preallocation and whatnot.
14:39.11Titan8990pngwn, hes good for both
14:39.17Titan8990!qotd0
14:39.17dpkg<jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not
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14:39.22pngwnthought it was a she
14:39.29Carstenpngwn, I see
14:39.32cr3rzemjestI've got a mouse and touchpad, and the output to above command is
14:39.38cr3rzemjestlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 lis  9 14:14 usb-062a_0000-event-mouse -> ../event1
14:39.39cr3rzemjestlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 lis  9 14:14 usb-062a_0000-mouse -> ../mouse0
14:39.40rdbCarsten, hum, "dpkg --purge python-minimal" entirely refuses (doesn't even require me to type in one stink-sentence
14:39.51anewbieDAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN
14:39.57pngwnTitan8990, and I find qotd some of the dumbest factoids the bot spews :)
14:40.01anewbieTitan8990, the problem was in the NIC
14:40.07miro_dietikerStereo my mysql-server-5.0 reinstall still doesn't recreate my.cnf after --purge...
14:40.11anewbieit was broken when i change it everythings fine
14:40.18Titan8990pngwn, lol there are some good ones occasionally
14:40.19robinetdanewbie, Are you the adult version of the munsters guy? :p
14:40.25anewbiesorry about interupting you wit bullshits
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14:40.28babilenrobinetd: You know what you have to do then :-D
14:40.33themillmiro_dietiker: my.cnf is in mysql-common
14:40.36anewbierobinetd, munster ?
14:40.39robinetdbabilen, Indeed. Thanks for the link.
14:40.43Carstenrdb okay, I would stop deleting it from now
14:40.45pngwnTitan8990, 'occasionally' is the key word there ;)
14:40.58babilen!tell robinetd -about ext4
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14:41.04robinetdanewbie, You've never watched the munsters? :o. anyway, getting offtopic. Don't want my head taken off by the banhammer.
14:41.07babilenrobinetd: Some more information. Good luck.
14:41.11rdbCarsten, k, thanks. I'll find some other way to work around its presence
14:41.15miro_dietikerthemill - any way to get it out of there except ar?
14:41.31Carstenrdb you are making me curious, whats so wrong about phython minimal?
14:41.46Carstendo you have a clue what will fail if you dont have it anymore?
14:41.59robinetdbabilen, Thanks. I've had ext4 running on gentoo just fine. Entirely different animal though. :p
14:42.05xaashianyone familiar with linux-headers?
14:42.11abrotmanrdb: dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential python-minimal
14:42.11rdbCarsten, I just need gcc to work after that point
14:42.11jelAnyone know how to match a public key in authorized_keys from a private key?  someone moved the .pub files from a machine instead of copying.
14:42.13themillmiro_dietiker: purging then reinstalling the mysql-common package will fix that
14:42.20Stereomiro_dietiker: maybe the file is in mysql-common or something
14:42.23rdbso why does dpkg make such a big deal out of it?
14:42.27rdbdoes dpkg itself depend on it?
14:42.27Stereothemill: heh
14:42.30Carstenrdb and python is in the way?
14:42.32jel(asked in #ssh, but it's pretty empty)
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14:42.41Carstenthats new to me...
14:42.55rdbnaw, I'm compiling stuff and don't want the python library to conflict
14:43.07Stereojel: see man ssh-keygen maybe ?
14:43.14rdbso I figured, let me just purge python-minimal to be certain
14:43.20loca|hostanyone experienced some tftpbooting ?
14:43.28justinrdb: stuff?
14:43.33Stereojel: then regenerate the public key, and compare
14:43.42Carstenuch... mmm I see thats sounds reasonable... sorry no clue then except looking for something in gcc --dontgonuts
14:43.43Titan8990loca|host, using PXE?
14:43.58abrotmanrdb: because the package is Standard
14:44.45loca|hosti have Redhat entreprise linux 5.4 iso, and a debian lenny server with tftpboot/dhcp server (i used it for other ubuntu/debian installations), now i cant find the required files from the iso such as pxelinux.0, linux and initrd.gz
14:45.04miro_dietikerStereo && themill: now up and running.... thanks a lot. :-)
14:45.09Titan8990loca|host, there is a link to those files in  the install guide
14:45.12justinloca|host: that sounds like a redhat question not a debian question
14:45.12Titan8990!install guide
14:45.12dpkgThe Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual .  See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
14:45.14themillmiro_dietiker: np
14:45.22jelStereo: cool, that should work.  Thanks.
14:45.34rdbabrotman, any idea what will fail if I purge it (besides booting)
14:45.34Titan8990loca|host, oh... that is a rhel question
14:45.37themillrdb: are you actually doing this in debian or ubuntu? python is not essential in debian but is essential in debian
14:45.46themills/debian$/ubuntu/
14:45.54abrotmanrdb: aptitude why python-minimal .. which will tell you python .. aptitude why python
14:46.11rdbthemill, the chroot is an ubuntu install
14:46.16abrotmangah
14:46.19abrotmango away
14:46.20prince_jammysha
14:46.28themill!lart rdb
14:46.28dpkgoverclocks rdb until rdb burns out
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14:46.42themillrdb: no you know why we tell ubuntu users to go to #ubuntu. Farewell.
14:46.56rdbchanges the debootstrap command line to debian
14:47.00*** mode/#debian [+l 917] by debhelper
14:47.01rdbnow I can stay here :-)
14:47.14abrotmanrdb: seriously .. make up your mind
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14:47.35themillrdb: and you won't have a problem removing python-minimal in debian. (I just tried it in a chroot...)
14:47.41rdbawesome, thanks
14:47.46abrotmanokay .. problem solved .. bye now!
14:47.52rdbdebian it is then :-)
14:48.17rdbabrotman, so I guess everyone here suddenly hates me because I touched ubuntu? :)
14:48.20abrotmanreally *hates* when people come here pretending to be running Debian
14:48.31abrotmanrdb: can you read? What is the name of the channel?
14:48.42aspWorkhi guys, i run squeeze with gnome etc (right out of the package), but i feel that all the screen items are a bit to large for my liking. Is there any way to reduce the size of the windowbars, gnomebar, icons etc (ie to give the effect of a higher resolution), would changing the DPI give this effect?
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14:49.23rdbabrotman, debian. I figured it would make the most sense to ask dpkg-related stuff here. Sorry. :| In any case, am using debian now
14:49.23ranixis your resolution actually too low, aspWork ?
14:49.33aspWorkranix: 1920x1200
14:49.43ranixok
14:49.51aspWorkits more of a feeling
14:49.53abrotmanrdb: your dpkg/apt came from ubuntu .. how the hell would we know about their package manager(and the patches they make) or what the package priorities are .. go to #ubuntu for help with Ubuntu
14:49.54Titan8990isn't there a factoid about this not being dpkg question dumping grounds?
14:50.04rdbyou're right, sorry :|
14:50.05abrotmanit should be common sense
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14:50.18aspWorki dualboot and i experiance that these things are a tad smaller in window
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14:50.57ranixaspWork: there ought to be an option for reducing the size of the bars and such in the terrible menu-based configuration that gnome has
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14:51.38aspWorkranix: thats what i feared, going throw all the gtk stuff and making it small would probably be an option, i was looking for a magic fix to save me all the work
14:51.58ranixaspWork: it might be called the "gnome control panel" or the "instrument of pain and displeasure" - you'll be looking for "panel options" or "gouge my eyes out now"
14:52.16JPThow do you prepare an audio disc for playback without automatic stuff? i kind of need basic knowledge
14:52.20stixHi guys. I need some help. I need the new drivers for cciss, so I downloaded them here: http://cciss.sourceforge.net/#downloads. It needed the source-tree to build the .ko-file, but what do I do with that file? How do I install the driver into the kernel?
14:52.27aspWorkranix, ok, thanks, ill give it a try
14:52.36abrotmanJPT: stick it in the drive .. use a CD player
14:52.42ranixJPT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard)
14:52.49JPTi put it into my cd-rom drive..
14:52.50ranixJPT: I think this is what you're looking for
14:53.02JPTmh
14:53.11JPTi need to find out what i need to find out
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14:53.51ranixJPT: mp3-to-cd actually plays-back the track and writes it to the cd as one would write an analog record - by etching the surface
14:54.04ranixit's just multitrack digital instead of analog
14:54.10abrotmani thought he was trying to play it ?
14:54.16JPTi have got a cd
14:54.20JPTi put it into my drive
14:54.30JPTsome weeks ago, it used to show up on my kde desktop
14:54.33abrotmanless enter key
14:54.35JPTnow i need to prepare this manually
14:54.45justinJPT: why?
14:54.55ranixjust use some program that can play CDs
14:55.00ranixcan madplay do that
14:55.13ranixtry dcd
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14:55.20JPTi'm using amarok which worked for a long time... but now it says "no readable disc"
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14:56.25JPTthe weird thing is... a reboot once worked for a certain disc..
14:56.44ranixamarok's cd playback might be questionable
14:56.53ranixtry using dcd and see if it works when amarok doesn'
14:56.55ranixt
14:56.56JPTokay
14:56.56abrotmanin testing? i heard amarok was pretty buggy
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14:57.27ranixyeah they're working on a major version increase iirc
14:57.30saTTYhi debhelper
14:57.31JPTyou mean cdcd, don't you? :)
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14:57.48ranixyeah
14:58.06ranixused to be called dcd, maybe it got forked and replaced
14:58.17ranixI haven't used it for maybe 6 years
14:58.39ranixprobably the last time I listened to a CD
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14:59.26abrotmanback when you were listening to All-4-One ?
14:59.36JPThm... no disc in drive..
14:59.49lsdhm
14:59.56JPThow about fancy copy protections? are they able to confuse cd-player software?
15:00.00abrotmanJPT: considered the drive is toast ?
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15:00.09JPTthe drive is new
15:00.12abrotmanJPT: so?
15:00.17ranixabrotman: I think it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_(album)
15:00.17abrotmanJPT: any errors in dmesg ?
15:00.34abrotmanranix: you're not helping your case very much
15:00.37JPTno errors in dmesg, other dvds or cds work on debian and win7 :)
15:00.57JPTthe disc itself seems okay.. no scratches, no paint, no glue,...
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15:06.39CarstenJPT.. did you check MD5checksum?
15:06.57JPTerr
15:07.08JPTmd5sum of an audio disc?
15:07.11Carstenouch
15:07.15Carstennever mind
15:07.20JPTok
15:07.20CarstenI was in | tail
15:07.23CarstenXo)
15:07.27Carstenbtw why not
15:07.36JPTlol
15:07.40JPTi want to play this baby
15:07.46CarstenI just red "boot"
15:07.52CarstenDRM?
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15:08.01azeemJPT: maybe the CD is copy protected?
15:08.04JPTit's a dj bobo single from 2002 or so..
15:08.07JPTit might be protected
15:08.13JPTbut the protection will be a data track
15:08.14justinsigh
15:08.20CarstenWow, a drive with pride ;)
15:08.20justinor maybe the disk is just bad
15:08.23JPTwin7 could handle it
15:08.29justinon the same drive?
15:08.31Carstenthat is NO argument
15:08.32babilenJPT: You don't want to play that anyway.. believe me ;-)
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15:08.48ranixyou could have downloaded this entire album off the pirate bay 10 times in less time than it's taken you to figure out why this CD doesn't work
15:08.51JPTi've got more of such discs
15:08.55JPTi want to play them :>
15:09.02justinif you are playing it as an audio cd the OS isn't really relevant, the OS just tells the drive to play
15:09.17JPTmhh
15:09.26abrotmanJPT: and cdcd fails too ?
15:09.26justinif it is trying digital audio extraction, that is a different story, but i'm pretty sure cdcd and such just tell the drive to play
15:09.30JPTi think i'll just fire up win7 and rip it >.<
15:09.39JPTabrotman: cdcd tells me there is no disc in drive
15:09.46Carstenwell playing it as "direct" you might want to think about the "extra cable"?
15:09.48abrotmanJPT: tried using cdinfo to check or hal ?
15:09.48JPTi picked the right drive and the disc is inserted
15:09.56abrotmanhow many drives do you have?
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15:09.59JPTtwo
15:09.59justinJPT: are you sure that is an audio disk?
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15:10.14abrotmanJPT: you tried both ?
15:10.15JPTjustin: my stereo system plays it, it must be audio
15:10.18justinJPT: cdcd has an eject command right? if you run that, which drive opens?
15:10.23JPThmm
15:10.31abrotmanJPT: it could be a hybrid (though i suppose that should still work)
15:11.24StereoJPT: what am I playing ?
15:11.42JPTStereo: i could guess, but that's offtopic :D || abrotman: it is very probably a hybrid thingy...
15:12.23justinJPT: put the disk in your other cdrom drive
15:12.28JPTokay...
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15:12.34JPTmhh
15:12.40JPTsame error
15:12.44JPT:(
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15:12.58abrotmanJPT: and the eject ?
15:13.11JPTeject works on the drive the disc is currently in
15:13.21abrotmanJPT: have you tried shutting down KDE and trying something else?
15:13.22justinso it was in the wrong drive before?
15:13.49JPTjustin: the dvd-rom seems to be not reacting on eject
15:13.53JPTor /dev/sr0 is wrong
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15:14.04JPTbut according to /dev contents, it must be /dev/sr0
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15:14.09justin"must" ?
15:14.12azeemJPT: that doesn't asnwer justin's question, does it?
15:14.28justinwhatever drive opens when you run 'eject' is the drive the disk should be in
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15:15.32JPTmhh
15:15.43justinlike I said, the OS is mostly irrelevant if you are not trying to actually rip the cd
15:15.48JPTthe disc is in the device that reacts to eject
15:15.50justinthe OS sends the play command, the drive plays
15:15.59justinsome cdrom drives even have a 'play' button on them
15:16.12JPTwell... as i don't have a sound cable from the drive to my sound card, i won't hear anything
15:16.15azeemJPT: maybe your cd drive's audio output is not connected
15:16.21azeemtada
15:16.29abrotmanhe said it worked a few days ago
15:16.33JPTyep
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15:16.35abrotmanand that wouldn't break the CD detection
15:16.45abrotman(though i don't think amarok goes through the audio cable)
15:16.49JPTaudio data can be transfered via ide or s-ata cables, too..
15:16.49justina few days ago he was likely using digital audio extraction
15:16.54azeemcdcd does, though, AFAIK
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15:17.13abrotmanbut cdinfo should be able to tell if there's a disc in the drive regardless of the cable
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15:17.42JPTis cdinfo part of a package?
15:18.13oasisfaisqueeze does not provides xen kernel anymore?
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15:18.29JPTi cannot find it via apt-cache search
15:18.37azeem!search
15:18.38dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
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15:20.02oasisfaisudo apt-get search xen
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15:20.22JPTit is not installed, it is not in the results list of aptitude search or apt-cache search... which or whereis won't help me.
15:20.22oasisfaicannot find xen-image.
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15:20.49justin1) you don't need to be root to search for packages, 2) apt-get search is not a command, 3) xen is a bit of a mess
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15:22.20oasisfaijustin: thank for remind, xen was working fine on lenny before I upgraded to squeeze.
15:22.54justinoasisfai: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#XenonUnstable.2BAC8-Sid
15:23.07oasisfaijustin: now I don't know how to get the xen domain 0 work again.
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15:26.31oasisfaijustin: thank you.
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15:27.01igotI'm trying to apt-get install e2fsprogs-devel but all I get is "E: Couldn't find package e2fsprogs-devel", how do I know which sources I need? (or maybe I'm doing something else wrong cause google won't give me anything useful)
15:27.21dffi cant get my mac mini to netboot from my macbook running TFTP with the netboot files for debian
15:27.21justin!wayttd igot
15:27.21dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, igot?
15:27.51igotdpkg: compile a program, which says
15:27.51dpkgigot: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
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15:28.00justina program?
15:28.02dffor get my USB stick to boot containing debian-503-i386-netinst when i did a DD from the source iso
15:28.20igotconfigure: error: 'You need the uuid library (from e2fsprogs)'
15:28.20azeemJPT: nobody told you to run aptitude search or apt-cache search
15:28.22justindff: you dd'd the .iso to the usb drive?
15:28.26Titan8990!usb install
15:28.27dpkgYes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 .  To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>.  (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/).  BIOS can't boot from USB?  Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
15:28.32dffjustin: yes
15:28.39justindff: it doesn't work like that
15:28.47JPTazeem: mhh..okay... so where else can i get cdinfo? :)
15:28.55dffjustin: i followed a guide :/
15:29.00azeemJPT: read again what dpkg said about search
15:29.05abrotmanJPT: cdtools
15:29.09JPTaaah
15:29.21\amethystigot:  e2fslibs-dev
15:29.38abrotman!tell JPT about apt-file
15:29.38dffjustin: what is the easiet way to get the debian isntaller to load on a mac mini then, it doesnt have a cd drive
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15:30.07dffjustin: ill read what dpkg said and get back to you
15:30.07abrotmandff: why doesn't it? they sell them with one
15:30.17dffabrotman: i have the new server edition
15:30.20\amethystigot:  oh, libuuid... then you need  uuid-dev
15:30.31justindff: netboot or usb should be easy enough, just have to use the right files
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15:30.37abrotmandff: get your money back :)
15:30.41dffjustin: netboot did not work
15:30.46dffi tried that
15:30.55justin!+didn't work
15:30.55dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
15:30.56abrotmandff: try the USB installers
15:31.05dffi will
15:31.07Titan8990dff, did you follow the install guide for PXE isntall? usb install?
15:31.24dffTitan8990: ive follwed 20 different guides
15:31.30cr3rzemjestI've done everything tutorials say, but I still can't run gsynaptics(-init)....
15:31.33dffnone have worked
15:31.42dffive given up on netboot for now
15:31.42Titan8990dff, you should only follow the official guide
15:32.00dffdont think there is an official guide for isntalling debian on a mac mini :D
15:32.18Titan8990dff, for PXE and for usb install, what makes your mac mini special?
15:32.33justinprobably that macs have that EFI stuffs
15:32.37dffTitan8990: im not sure what it is, but something since netboot didnt work
15:32.44justin!+didn't work
15:32.44dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
15:32.44cr3rzemjesthttp://tinypaste.com/3316c <- what's wrong here?
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15:32.47igot\amethyst: seems to work, thanks!  how did you know what was needed?
15:33.31talulahi. is there a log kept of all device mount/unmount activity?
15:33.36dffit = the mac mini did not load the boot files from the TFTP server
15:33.44\amethystigot:   aptitude search '~nuuid.*-dev'
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15:34.05cr3rzemjestGSynaptics couldn't initialize.
15:34.07cr3rzemjestYou have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XFree86.conf to use GSynaptics
15:34.08cr3rzemjest^Error is wrong, I have set
15:34.09dffTo prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
15:34.09\amethystigot:  and knowing that Debian development library packages have names ending in "-dev"
15:34.14dffi donthave that
15:34.16justindff: did it get an ip address from dhcp?
15:34.31igot\amethyst: ok, thanks
15:34.31\amethystigot:  usually it would be something like libuuid-dev, so this one is a little unusual
15:34.41justindff: you should be able to build the usb disk from OS X
15:34.42dffthe mac mini?
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15:34.58stixHi guys. I need some help. I need the new drivers for cciss, so I downloaded them here: http://cciss.sourceforge.net/#downloads. It needed the source-tree to build the .ko-file, but what do I do with that file? How do I install the driver into the kernel?
15:35.07floweris it possible to downgrade a package?
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15:35.11Titan8990dff, unetbootin, while it might not be officially supported works
15:35.13justinno idea what device path you would use for dd, but i'm sure it would work
15:35.16Titan8990!downgrade
15:35.16dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.  Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing>
15:35.17dffthe mac mini just had the network boot icon up blinking, as if, "i cant find the net boot"
15:35.31cr3rzemjestalso i've installed and added in xorg.conf 'intel' driverz and firefox seems to be smoother
15:35.32dffdisk2
15:35.42azeemdff: sounds like you should talk to Apple support, rather?
15:35.56justindff: oh, ive' only ever netbooted a mac from the openfirmware prompt, which gave much more useful information than a blinking icon
15:36.19dffi dont have a firewire cable :/
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15:38.02kqrdebi know you can use -t squeeze together with testing-repos to get packages out of testing, but i was thinking if i want newer versions than that, is there a way to force unstable packages to my stable installation using apt-get?
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15:38.25abrotman!tell kqrdeb about bpo
15:38.27abrotman!tell kqrdeb about ssb
15:39.13kqrdebabrotman: thx, will read
15:39.29talulai totally forgot to umount a usb device before unplugging it. is a log kept of such errors anywhere?
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15:39.37justindff: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
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15:39.44justindff: try the boot.img there
15:39.52dffjustin: :)
15:39.56dffyou im doing that right now
15:39.59dffyup
15:40.07justinuncompress that, dump it to a drive
15:40.20dffany specific filesystem needed on the stick?
15:40.35justinno, overwrite the drive
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15:47.52egoleoHello guys, i am using sony vaio VGN-NW20SF with netword card Marvell Yukon, but during installation of debian lenny it does not detect my NIC, but rather says something abt fireware. anyone to help me plse?
15:48.09justinegoleo: firewire or firmware?
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15:48.29egoleoyes firmware
15:48.31egoleosorry
15:48.51egoleosorry is Firewire Ehternet
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15:49.08justinis what?
15:49.16egoleoanyone to help me
15:49.17justinmake up your mind, firmware or firewire
15:49.33egoleobcos i dont want to use any distro except debian
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15:49.50egoleojustin: is firewire ethernet
15:50.26azeemso maybe firmware is missing for your ethernet
15:50.42egoleohmm
15:50.50egoleoso how do i solve this
15:50.56egoleoas i need this plse
15:51.08azeemstart by explaining your problem
15:51.33justini dont think that card needs firmware, probably just needs newer drivers
15:51.39egoleobcos the error says No ethernet card was detected, but a Firewire interface is present
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15:51.43toucheis a log kept anywhere of mount/unmount activity?
15:51.43justindpkg: tell egoleo about kmuto
15:52.09egoleowhat?
15:53.12egoleojustin i cant get on the net
15:53.14azeemegoleo: do you actually want to use your fireware interface for networking?
15:53.16egoleoso how do i use those links
15:53.36egoleoi just want to be online
15:53.40egoleothat is all
15:53.45azeemso go online
15:53.48egoleoso i dont care which
15:54.01azeemdo you have a network cable for your fireware interface?
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15:54.28egoleonopes
15:54.38egoleoand is not fireware is firewire
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15:54.43egoleoplse
15:54.47azeemright
15:54.48azeemso again
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15:54.59azeemdo you want to use the firewire interface?
15:55.17egoleoif it will work
15:55.18justineverone stop talkin about firewire
15:55.29justin10:53 < egoleo> justin i cant get on the net
15:55.31azeemegoleo: how do you suggest it will work without a cable?
15:55.36justinegoleo: hate to tell you this, but you are on the net RIGHT NOW
15:55.46egoleoyes
15:55.48justinazeem: stop talking about firewire
15:55.52egoleobut using a friends machine
15:56.10azeemjustin: I think it is important that egoleo undestands the situation
15:56.18justinazeem: YOU don't understand the situation
15:56.23azeemoh?
15:56.31egoleohmm
15:56.48justinhe doesn't want to use ethernet over firewire. stop talking about firewire
15:56.49ultralazerI've been told firewire originated on the mac. really?
15:56.57justinultralazer: try wikipedia
15:57.02azeemjustin: he said he would if it worked
15:57.09justinit's not going to work
15:57.18azeemthat's where we're trying to go
15:57.19egoleoyes tried it
15:57.22egoleoand it did not work
15:57.45justinof course it didn't work you don't even have a firewire cable, let alone another machine running ethernet over firewire to connect it to!
15:57.46ultralazeryeah ok wikipedia.
15:57.46egoleobut when i run ubuntu live cd on it
15:57.48egoleoit works
15:57.52egoleoit sees all cards
15:58.01ultralazeractually wikibooks
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15:58.03justindpkg: tell egoleo about kmuto
15:58.04justindpkg: do that
15:58.04dpkgdoes that
15:58.07justiner
15:58.09azeem16:50 < azeem> so maybe firmware is missing for your ethernet
15:58.09justinegoleo: do that
15:58.38egoleohmm
15:58.40azeembut apparently justin knows which ethernet card you have and that a new kernel is required
15:58.44egoleoi went to those links u gave me
15:58.49egoleobut what exactly
15:58.50cheako<PROTECTED>
15:58.52egoleodo i do there
15:58.53azeemah, Marvell Yukon
15:59.01cheakoI moved the libs so it could link from /usr/lib to /lib, but after that there was a problem with xml configuration files.
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15:59.24themillegoleo: can you give us the pci-id of the card? "lspci -nn | grep -i net"
15:59.40Titan8990cheako, you MOVED libs from /usr/lib?
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16:00.06egoleook doing that
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16:00.58cheakoTitan8990: More accurately /usr/lib did/does not exist.
16:01.22cheakoTitan8990: /usr is not mounted.
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16:01.48\amethystcheako:   what did splashy need from /usr?  that sounds like a bug, and I don't see a bug report about that
16:01.53egoleook
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16:02.28\amethystcheako:  ah, #530268 maybe
16:02.43egoleois given me 2 cards one for Intel cop Wireless Wifi Link 5100 and Marvell Yukon
16:02.55egoleoas Ethernet card
16:03.12themillegoleo: the number in [ ] is what we need. Should be something like 11ab:11ab
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16:04.02cheako\amethyst: Thank you, I was beginning to think the whole Debian community got turned into windows zombies.
16:04.20cheakoIs this not a violation of policy?
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16:04.58egoleothe numbers are 11ab:4380 for Marvell Yukon and 8086:4232
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16:06.02themilljudd pciid 11ab:4380
16:06.03juddthemill: [11ab:4380] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'sky2' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4380 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2
16:06.45egoleohmm
16:06.54\amethystcheako:  what, what library was the problem?
16:06.55egoleoso how do i get this drivers
16:07.22cheako\amethyst: there were a lot.
16:07.27themillegoleo: ^^ so that's saying that you need a newer kernel to get that to work. Either complete a base installation using the normal lenny installer and then grab a newer kernel from backports.org or use the kmuto installer that justin mentioned earlier.
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16:07.49cheako\amethyst: libglib,directfb...
16:08.02egoleobut i cant even be online
16:08.03\amethystcheako:  glib should should be in /lib
16:08.18\amethystcheako:  I see from ldd that the directfb stuff is a problem, though
16:08.26egoleoso how do i grab the newer kernel from backports
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16:10.18themillegoleo: you'd need to download the linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 package from backports.org either from another computer or on that machine when booted to some other OS.
16:10.22cheako\amethyst: libglib2.0-0
16:10.34cheako\amethyst: pcre3
16:10.42egoleook
16:10.54\amethystcheako:  those are both in /lib
16:11.16cheakoI took the libs from all 3pkgs.
16:11.17\amethystcheako:  are you using the sid/squeeze version of splashy with lenny?
16:11.23cheakolenny.
16:11.25\amethystcheako:  hm
16:11.32\amethystcheako:  let me check the lenny version of splashy
16:11.49egoleook so i am downloading the boot.img.gz file
16:11.54egoleohow do i install it
16:12.11cheako\amethyst run this:cd  /lib; dpkg -s * | grep usr
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16:12.18cheako-S
16:12.38dffjustin: refit wont install on my mac mini
16:12.45dffso it looks pretty hopeless
16:12.54\amethystcheako:  huh?  why would I run that?
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16:13.22\amethystcheako:  see which libraries in /lib have files with the same name under /usr ?
16:13.26cheako\amethyst: I don't know how you can say these libs are in /lib.
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16:13.31\amethystcheako:  they moved
16:13.38\amethystcheako:  in Sid they're in /lib
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16:14.04cheako\amethyst: OMG, why are you supporting Sid?
16:14.17\amethystcheako:  it's what I run at home
16:14.31\amethystcheako:  but now I see that, yes, the lenny version also has such dependencies
16:14.37cheako\amethyst: it's not relesased yet!
16:14.44\amethystcheako:  it never will be released
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16:15.00\amethystcheako:  and because lenny *is* released, you're not likely to get a fix to your bug in lenny
16:15.17themillcheako: I use splashy quite happily in lenny.... what's the issue?
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16:15.25\amethystcheako:  since fixing it (moving glib etc) would be far too major for a point release
16:15.31\amethystthemill:  he has separate /usr
16:15.31cheako\amethyst: Slashy can get removd or some thing?
16:15.41cvsuphi, i have installed debian lenny but when boot the system
16:15.58\amethystcheako:  It looks like many of the libraries it needs have been moved to /lib, and only directfb remains in /usr
16:16.04cvsuphe stop in Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount. Somebody can help me?
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16:16.26\amethystcheako:  so if directfb gets moved as well, it could stay
16:16.26cheako\amethyst: What about the XML config files and images?
16:16.34themill\amethyst: ahh... it's that one again. (yes, glib moved to /lib because devicekit or hal or something now depends on it)
16:17.11cvsuphi, i have installed debian lenny but when boot the system,
16:17.13cvsuphe stop in Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount. Somebody can help me?
16:17.20cheako\amethyst: No, I moved all the libs and it still does no work.
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16:17.37cheako\amethyst: It only links now.
16:17.46\amethystcheako:  ah, yes
16:18.05\amethystcheako:  I had been looking at just libsplashy1, not the splashy package itself
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16:18.17themillcheako: did you read /usr/share/doc/splashy/README.gz and configure the package properly/
16:18.40nkuttlercvsup: was the installation completed? /scripts doesn't look like debian at all
16:18.43cheakothemill: Huh?
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16:19.58\amethystcheako:  "If /usr is mounted from a different partition/drive, you might want to put Splashy on initramfs or remove the symlink /etc/splashy/themes and copy the /usr/share/splashy/themes directory in this place."
16:20.24cvsupnkuttler yes the installation was completed
16:20.30\amethystcheako: so that addresses the data issue, but even in sid libdirectfb is still a problem
16:21.06cheako\amethyst: This should be done on every system.
16:21.40cheako\amethyst: On systems where it's windows then it's just another folder.
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16:22.06nkuttlercvsup: looks like initramfs trouble. no idea. did you install a real kernel yet?
16:22.13themillcheako: I suspect very few machines that have splashy installed on them would have a separate /usr. I guess that's why no-one is hitting this bug and solving it.
16:22.14cvsupyes
16:22.17cheako\amethyst: If /usr is mounted from a different "Filesystem" then it's a bug.
16:22.33cvsupin other pc works but in pc with asus p48x-x motherboard not
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16:22.52_Mojo_greetings to all
16:22.59cheakothemill: Every system should have /usr and /var hand /home broken out.
16:23.02\amethystcheako:  I'd agree, splashy is buggy... there has been discussion on d-d off and on about whether separate /usr should continue to be supported
16:23.35cheakothemill: Unless there is no LVM.
16:23.36rgrWhat do I need to do to stop the "chain loading" of grub and grub 2? I want to go straight to grub 2 at boot.
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16:23.54greycatrgr: run update-from-legacy-grub or whatever it was called
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16:24.02greycatup-something.
16:24.05rgrthanks
16:24.06cheako\amethyst:  I'll have to take a look at that.
16:24.19nkuttlerrgr: make sure to have a rescue cd at hand. my system was unbootable after that
16:24.19themillcheako: that's very much a matter of taste and is increasingly uncommon on laptops and desktops which, after all, are the main places you'll find splashy. There's zero advantage to having /usr on a separate system on a desktop machine these days and even /var is of minimal interest. (/tmp is more useful to put on a different partition, actually)
16:24.27cheako\amethyst: Just recently I had var fill up on me.
16:24.28rgroh god ...
16:24.30\amethystcheako:  /var and /home split is definitely supported, but /usr not so much
16:24.59themillcheako, \amethyst: it *should* be but in practice gets a lot less testing these days.
16:25.02\amethystcheako:  since you can use e.g. NFS root just as well as NFS /usr
16:25.27cheakothemill: I don't think you understand the advantage.
16:25.38themillcheako: I'm listening.
16:25.46greycatI had no problems upgrading to grub-pc on my old work machine, except for the fact that the grub-pc boot menu did NOT have windows on it (this was a dual-boot system), and none of the documentation told me HOW to get windows back onto it.
16:25.55rgrwhat is the command anyone? Not update-grub. Is there a bash "apropos" type thing to search for commands? (make grub 2 default).
16:26.14greycatrgr: it's something the grub-pc package installed and told you to run when you had checked it all out.
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16:26.25_Mojo_i have a problem booting  vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686  (linux-image-2.6.26-2-686)
16:26.55valdynrgr: "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" iirc
16:26.55_Mojo_recently I upgraded from 4.0 to 5.0.3 and everything went fine
16:27.01rgrthanks
16:27.05cheakothemill: The advantage is for filesystem corruption, like being full or data errors.  /usr can easily be rebuilt as %90 of it if from pkgs.
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16:27.20_Mojo_at the end of upgrade I installed a new kernel linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
16:27.21greycat_Mojo_: did your disks get renamed, by chance?
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16:27.46cheakothemill: / must have /etc and /etc is vary system specific.
16:27.53themillcheako: keeping a backup of /etc is equally as good then.
16:27.57_Mojo_after update-grub I cannot seen correct lines from menu.lst
16:28.22cheakothemill: that's why they get split, I put /usr on a eSATA flash disk for example.
16:28.25greycatrgr: it's "upgrade-from-grub-legacy"
16:28.35_Mojo_greycat: no the disks are correct and I can boot older linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
16:28.48greycat_Mojo_: ok, then what is the problem?
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16:29.29asaleemI want to log each time someone log on/log off to server using ssh from his own workstation. I log on the client side
16:29.41cheakothemill: It's more about data usage patterns, /etc could be on a RWCD/DVD where /usr should be much faster.
16:29.44_Mojo_problem is that I have both kernels listed in menu.lst and kernels with initrd are placed correct also
16:29.49themillcheako: yeah, I know that's the historical reasons for doing so, I just don't believe that there's really any point these days except on large-scale clusters with /usr on nfs etc (and they don't normally run splashy!)
16:29.50rgrgreycat: thanks but dont seem to have it despite having grub2.
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16:30.07valdynasaleem: /var/log/auth.log on the server is not good enough?
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16:30.12greycatrgr: you must not be using Debian, then.  Or you're not using Debian grub-pc packages.
16:30.13asaleemEach time someone logs on/off to a server from his workstation with ssh, its loogged on his PC
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16:30.36asaleemvaldyn, I want for ssh client
16:30.37rgrwell, it chains into grub 2. so I assumed grub-pc was installed. I guess not.
16:30.43nkuttlerrgr: upgrade-from-blah
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16:30.50valdynasaleem: i dont get what you want
16:31.14cheakothemill: There is not a single historical reason, there has been a large number of reasons.  Granted today there is a smaller number of reasons, but they are still important.
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16:31.36valdynmaybe the real bug is that splashy uses glib?
16:31.56_Mojo_greycat: under grub cmd line I get different file lists between root (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) although they're mirrored together and accessible throught md0
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16:32.20cheakothemill: I'm sure new technology will bring back some of these historical reasons, like flash drives VS NFS.
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16:32.34asaleemvaldyn, I have a client that wants us that we keep a log each time we access their server. So I want that if Mr. X  connects to their server, and I get a record of that. Also when he is finished and logs off, I get an entry on his workstation
16:32.34omg_onoezhi
16:32.48themillcheako: fundamentally, apt doesn't support shared /usr, so it's a bit of a moot point atm anyway.
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16:33.12valdynasaleem: its already logged on the server that belongs to your client
16:33.13greycatasaleem: just do the logging on the server side, which you can control.  Not the client (workstation) side which is not controlled.
16:33.20valdynasaleem: whats the point of adding another log?
16:33.23cheakothemill: I agree, no-one runs /usr over NFS.
16:33.58omg_onoezi wish to mount device via ssh and to use dd to copy it to local device, but i get "dd: opening '/mnt/dev/sda': Permission denied
16:33.58valdynasaleem: im sure your client wants to get the log primarily and does not care about the method
16:34.02dondelelcarouhhh... quite a few people do.
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16:34.08asaleemvaldyn, greycat its the client requirement that I do on the client side
16:34.09valdynasaleem: particularily when the method you are trying to apply is impossible
16:34.20greycatomg_onoez: you mount file systems, not raw disk partitions
16:34.22_Mojo_greycat: can I change menu.lst by hand and try to boot from hd1,0 ? is it correct ?
16:34.27cheakothemill: It's out-dated to run /usr on NFS, however it's not out-dated to run /usr on the fastest media you have.
16:34.28valdynasaleem: sometimes clients need to be told that they ask for nonsense
16:34.33valdynasaleem: *dangerous* nonsense
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16:34.38greycatomg_onoez: "ssh remotehost dd if=/dev/sda | dd of=copy-of-dev-sda
16:34.38omg_onoezgreycat, why can't i mount /dev
16:34.54asaleemvaldyn, in this case, they know that have the logs on the server
16:35.06omg_onoezi mounted dev over sshfs
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16:35.21greycatomg_onoez: the special files in /dev resolve to files on YOUR computer, not the remote computer.
16:35.38omg_onoezi mounted remote /dev on local /mnt/dev
16:35.44asaleemvaldyn, actually, I have dedicated on box for connecting to that client. Programers connect to it and then they connect to their servers using openvpn
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16:35.54omg_onoezgreycat, so why not
16:35.54valdynomg_onoez: remote /dev does not reference remote devices
16:35.55greycatomg_onoez: doesn't matter.  "Character device 3,0" means the same thing no matter what file system it's on.
16:36.09asaleemvaldyn, so for me its just one place I need the logging for
16:36.16omg_onoezso i can't use remote devices anyway like so
16:36.25valdynasaleem: you have only one workstation to monitor?
16:36.33ranixwait what
16:36.34omg_onoezbut i can't physically dismount it so it would be local ones
16:36.36ranixremote /dev?
16:36.36greycatomg_onoez: ssh remotehost dd if=/dev/sda | dd of=copy-of-their-dev-sda
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16:36.48ranix/dev/ is a virtual filesystem, what is remote about it
16:36.49omg_onoezi'll try, thx
16:36.57ranixyou can't even have a remote /dev/
16:36.58asaleemvaldyn, yes
16:37.02Titan8990ranix, read above
16:37.09asaleemvaldyn, one common ws
16:37.11omg_onoezoh, now i realized why so
16:37.21omg_onoezit was kinda stupid idea
16:37.27asaleemvaldyn, that each one will use to connect to that client
16:37.36valdynguess you could use a socket to "use" remote devices, similar to local devices, but thats also stupid
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16:37.58ranixone would use netcat or similar
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16:38.23valdynasaleem: write a wrapper around /usr/bin/ssh
16:39.32Raven737F**K.. just net installed Lenny, deselected gui and now i'm in a stupid login screen wheer i can't log in with root (and i don't havea user) WTF!
16:39.40touchesurely it's not good for your pc's hard drive if you continually keep reinstalling it? can someone please verify i'm correct here? i'm talking about the continual re-installation, roughly once a week! =-O
16:39.40omg_onoezgreycat, getting "Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input." with 34 MB copied
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16:39.49valdynRaven737: why do you think you cant log in as root?
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16:39.55asaleemvaldyn, yes, I was thinking about that
16:40.02Raven737i mean i have a gui login screen... how do i get my console?!
16:40.12valdynRaven737: ctrl-alt-f1
16:40.29greycattouche: probably no worse than running a big 24/7 file-I/O-intensive server
16:40.33asaleemvaldyn, how would I achieve having the log written when someoen disconnects the ssh from the client with that
16:40.37valdynRaven737: back to that log in screen with ctrl-alt-f7 usually
16:40.46greycattouche: as long as you're not powering it up and down
16:40.49grotonhow to add user authentication to an all sites hosted on an apache server? Just adding authenticationin a section with <Directory "/">...<> would suffice?
16:40.58valdynasaleem: im not going to write you that simple shell script
16:41.02Raven737valdyn: thanks, but it's vm ware, ctrl+alt = exit guest screen :(
16:41.11valdynasaleem: obviously your script runs ssh and notices when ssh quits
16:41.13greycatgroton: #httpd
16:41.17asaleemvaldyn, :)
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16:41.30\amethystRaven737:  vmware probably has some way to send ctrl-alt to the guest
16:41.45valdynRaven737: theres special key shortcuts for vmware doing the same thing
16:41.46\amethystRaven737:  in virtualbox it's rightctrl-F1 to send ctrl-alt-f1
16:42.27Raven737oh well don't want to have the gui anyway so i might as well just reinstall.. i was SO sure i deselected gui :(
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16:42.39omg_onoezgreycat, if dd will be aborted suddenly in this case, can i continue the process of making a copy like this, using conv=notrunc ?
16:42.56themillRaven737: what do you mean by "deselected gui"
16:42.59greycatomg_onoez: no idea.  I'd find out why your ssh connection is breaking.
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16:43.22mark_shi all,
16:43.29Raven737themill: i selected expert install (console based) and on 'apps to install' i only selected system tools..
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16:44.30omg_onoezgreycat, i c, and it doesn't matter, i just wanna know if it is possible to start all over again if something gone wrong without rewriting it from start (with conv=notrunc dd option)
16:44.30mark_scan I schedule a command from the termnal that it will start in 10 minutes without using cron?
16:44.37cheakoPerhaps /usr/* could be moved into /.
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16:44.50cheakoThat would solve all these problems.
16:44.54omg_onoezmany thanks and sorry for my english
16:45.08JBzhHi, I made a simple test.php with #!/usr/bin/php in first line and <?php echo 'test'; ?> in second line. It prints "test" alright but I then it prints "segmentation fault" (Debian Lenny/5.2.6-1+lenny3). I can't find this error in http://php.net/manual/fr/features.commandline.php . Any hint please ? Is a PHP error or a system error ?
16:45.10greycatmark_s: at
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16:45.54mark_sgreycat: thank you. I will google it.
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16:46.21greycatmark_s: ''man at'' would be enough
16:46.26greycat(should be)
16:46.31j_14asaleem: have you tried adjusting the LogLevel option? I don't you if you will get the information you want but maybe you should look into that.
16:46.42Raven737themill: giu was selected by default and i unchecked it
16:46.44\amethystmark_s:  'now + 10 minute'  is the timespec you need (that's not in the manpage, but in /usr/share/doc/at/timespec)
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16:47.09asaleemj_14, you mean on ssh client side?
16:47.26themillRaven737: "desktop system" you mean. That's fine. You're just using words that aren't anywhere in the installer at all so I was wanting to make sure that you were actually doing what you thought you were doing
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16:48.01j_14asaleem: yes
16:48.14themillRaven737: if you were using the German translation and are translating back to English then that would also explain it.
16:48.31Raven737themill: yes, that's what i meant, sorry (did't remember exactly)
16:48.50asaleemj_14, thanks for the idea, maybe that would help
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16:49.13j_14asaleem: you can set the verbosity of the log based on which host you are connecting to
16:49.24Raven737Well reinstall time, hopefull this time i will get it right ;-)
16:49.33Raven737Thanks for the help! :-)
16:49.45themillJBzh: have you loaded any php modules from packages outside debian?
16:50.04mark_s\amethyst: if a script (sync.sh) fails, I want to start it again in 30 minutes. Would b this right?  at now + 30 minutes < /path/sync.sh
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16:50.37asaleemj_14, yeah, I will check that too
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16:52.11greycatmark_s: while ! ./myscript; do sleep 30m; done
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16:53.03mark_sgreycat: that looks good. Thank you.
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16:53.48exoskahi, can someone help me out
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16:54.19exoskabasically it s a libc6 problem on etch.
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16:55.53exoskalibc6 2.7-1 dependencies
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16:56.39greycatjudd, versions libc6
16:56.39juddgreycat: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.10.1-5 squeeze: 2.10.1-5
16:56.51greycatexoska: etch does not have libc6 2.7
16:57.34exoskayes, so here s the latest problem i had ,
16:57.39exoskaThe following packages are BROKEN:
16:57.42exoskaThe following packages are BROKEN:
16:57.52themill!paste
16:57.52dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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16:58.14greycatexoska: if you attempted to install libc6 on etch, then you have done a partial etch->lenny upgrade.  The only supported course of action at that point is to finish upgrading to lenny.
16:58.20greycaterr, libc6 2.7
16:58.31exoskahttp://pastie.org/690405
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16:58.49exoskaalso the same error on ffmpeg libs
16:59.08greycatexoska: you are mixing non-etch sources with an etch system.
16:59.17exoskareally?
16:59.22greycatexoska: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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16:59.36exoskaoh , pasting, a sec..
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17:00.30exoskahttp://pastie.org/690412
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17:01.33greycatmother of god....
17:01.33Titan8990exoska, I think thats the most sources I have ever seen on a single computer
17:01.40Titan8990^ what i thought
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17:01.45greycatexoska: clearly one or more of them is not compatible with etch
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17:02.02exoska:)
17:02.12exoskaman that s an old list
17:02.31valdynwhy would you add that much? to slow down aptitude ?
17:02.33exoskahosting company added the initials, dont know how many rows.
17:02.46valdynwow
17:02.52exoskacan you suggest an optimized list?
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17:03.12Titan8990exoska, anything that says "stable" is wrong
17:03.22valdynexoska: youre going to use etch or lenny?
17:03.23exoskaouch
17:03.32exoskastick to the etch for the moment.
17:03.36valdyn!oldstable
17:03.37dpkghmm... oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team.  Etch (4.0) is now oldstable.  Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>).  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable
17:03.52greycatI can't imagine why you think you want debian-multimedia lines on a remotely hosted etch box.
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17:04.02Titan8990and tons of them
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17:04.28Sevetlooks like they've manually listed their mirrors
17:04.28Titan8990lol there is even a sarge line thrown in there that is commented out
17:04.32Sevetinstead of using a dns pool
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17:04.48exoskasevet, you are right
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17:05.21greycatexoska: do you require any packages that are not part of standard Debian?
17:05.41greycatexoska: if not, then you should just have two "deb" lines, and maybe a "deb-src" line or two if you want source code.
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17:06.01Sevetexoska: here's mine http://pastie.org/690420 replace lenny with etch and uk with your country code
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17:06.32Sevetthat'll get you a much shorter list, anything already installed won't break... it'll just only look on those repositories
17:06.52Sevetyou might find it useful to keep the etch-backports entries too
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17:07.31greycatI wouldn't add backports unless he knows he needs them.
17:07.45Sevetgreycat: yes, hence 'might' :)
17:08.25wildc4rdevenin' all
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17:08.35Sevetexoska: basically shrink your list as much as you can, then add stuff back in if you need it. but it's probably a good idea to use ftp.CC.debian.org sources instead of listing them separately
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17:08.53Sevetas that dns lookup will return several mirrors within country CC
17:08.57exoskaok
17:09.01exoskai m trying.
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17:11.38exoskahttp://pastie.org/690424
17:11.40exoskai guess wrong version is installed
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17:12.53Sevetyes, looks like php is being upgraded but php-tidy is an older version
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17:13.34Sevetyou could try uninstalling php-tidy if you don't need it and then upgrade php, or try to upgrade php-tidy too
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17:14.00exoskaPackage php5-tidy is not installed, so not removed
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17:14.43Sevethmmm, in that case perhaps something is trying to install php5-tidy but the php5-tidy is older than the php5 in the repository
17:14.48Sevethave you run apt-get update?
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17:15.06exoskaaptitude offers to downgrade packages to
17:15.13exoskaetch15
17:15.17exoskathen re-install
17:15.18Sevetjudd, versions php5-common
17:15.19juddSevet: php5-common -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 experimental: 5.3.0-2
17:15.24Sevetjudd, versions php5-tidy
17:15.24mesaGLdo debian have a policy/schedule on hal deprecation, and devicekit instead ?
17:15.24juddSevet: php5-tidy -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 experimental: 5.3.0-2
17:15.40exoskai guess that s the solution
17:15.50Sevetif you're on etch looks like 5.2.0 is correct
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17:15.58Sevet5.2.6 must be from a newer repository
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17:16.32Sevetwhich could be those stable entries you had earlier, since etch isn't the latest stable
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17:16.51Sevetapt-get update should sort that out
17:16.58exoskadamn
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17:17.00exoskai got it :)
17:17.06greycathopefully he didn't actually install any lenny packages yet
17:17.11exoskano
17:17.27Sevetgreycat: yes, i was worrying about that...
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17:21.46exoskathnx
17:21.53exoskathanks a lot
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17:30.18a-l-ehi. is there a way to find out why a package is not in squeeze and when it will be reintegrated (i think of slim and bitlbee)
17:30.33greycat!why is pkgname not in testing
17:30.33dpkgpkgname is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pkgname
17:30.43egoleoplse where can i find the kernel source directory?
17:30.59a-l-e!why is squeeze not in testing
17:30.59dpkgsqueeze is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=squeeze
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17:31.09a-l-eehm ehm...
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17:31.19a-l-e!why is bitlbee not in testing
17:31.20dpkgbitlbee is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bitlbee
17:31.22debayan!!
17:31.23dpkgI'm not your csh prompt!
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17:31.31greycategoleo: apt-cache --names-only search linux source
17:31.37a-l-e!why is slim not in testing
17:31.37dpkgslim is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=slim
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17:34.06a-l-eok, thanks greycat!
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17:34.49a-l-ei'm not happy with the results but i think i have to live with them (and avoid to updated my main computer until bitlbee is back!)
17:34.54egoleohello i am installing a a package and is asking me for kernel source directory what does this mean and what should i am type there as i am using lenny
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17:35.46cahootegoleo: you probably want to install linux-headers
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17:36.03egoleois installed
17:36.34greycategoleo: what are you trying to do?
17:36.58\amethystegoleo:  then /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
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17:37.03egoleoi need to install some driver for my Marvel Yukon ethernet driver
17:38.06greycatBuilding driver modules does NOT need a full source tree (nor would having one help you at all).  It needs linux-headers-$(uname -r) specifically.
17:38.11themillegoleo: weren't you going to use the kmuto installer?
17:38.24egoleohmm did not work
17:38.30egoleono
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17:38.37egoleobesides i dont know how to use it
17:38.43egoleowhich file to download
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17:39.38greycatThe hard part is making sure the module you're attempting to build is actually compatible with the kernel version you're running.  Randomly found module source on the Internet isn't always.
17:40.04greycatThen, some module sources are poorly written and assume weird things about your system.
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17:40.22ranixyes
17:40.45deriaNGotta love weebl-stuff ... http://narwhalsnarwhals.com/
17:40.56ranixsuch as, you are running distribution X, or you do not have two of the thing for which you are installing the module
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17:41.18themillderiaN: wrong channel?
17:41.26stmghi
17:41.31deriaNyea, sorry :|
17:41.35deriaNStill funny though :D
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17:43.26lhx_hi there
17:43.34ranix!hi lhx_
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17:44.14lhx_debian love.... any idea when the next major update to stable will be?
17:44.31ranixthere won't be one until squeeze is stable
17:44.33greycatsome time next year
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17:44.47lhx_ranix: heheh... which toy story toy was squeeze?
17:44.52greycat!squeeze
17:44.52dpkgSqueeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.  It is the three-eyed space alien.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html  Ask me about <testing>.  Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze.  Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729, or see <squeeze kernel>
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17:44.55lhx_(i'm a confessed stable user)
17:45.14ranixI also use stable pretty exclusively
17:45.32ranixthe best system is stable with very selective backports and only if you need them
17:45.33lhx_if i wanted to use something unstable I'd use arch
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17:45.52lhx_debian's strength is it's bulletproof'ness
17:45.58lhx_its
17:46.25CutMeOwnThroatwell, problem is there are some new programs or new major of programs that aren't easily backported
17:46.29o_what is the name of the utility to quickly bump version of the *.diff.gz ? say, i have awesome-3.4.1.tar.gz and want to build it using awesome-3.4-1.diff.gz ?
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17:47.06ranixyeah, I tend to do without them CutMeOwnThroat
17:47.13ranixI can wait
17:47.24ranixI've been waiting going on 9 years for e17
17:47.25wols_if I'd want to use something unstable, I'd use sid :P
17:47.35CutMeOwnThroatthat's not what I'd call a 'perfect solution' though
17:47.35ranixnot gonna kill me to wait another 6 months
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17:48.13CutMeOwnThroatit's only about 6 months this time, though - future releases will be spread out in about 2 year intervals
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17:48.45CutMeOwnThroatand it has been up to... dunno, 3 years between releases before
17:48.56greycatI think I've been "waiting" for Grimoire for about 12 years.
17:48.59xxtjaxxHi I want to make a website avaiable on the net I have a domain I hava a server but now my router that sits infront of my web box and manages local IPs (which is a fritzbox) wants a update URL for my dyndns whats should I do and where can I find on my domain provider free dns the appropriate information to get the update url?
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17:49.41ranixgreat runon sentences, Batman
17:49.44Titan8990xxtjaxx, dynamic dns is different from normal DNS services
17:49.58Titan8990xxtjaxx, if you have a dynamic IP, you need to use dynamic DNS services
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17:50.26Titan8990xxtjaxx, in cases where you have a dynamic IP, its usually against the ISP rules to have a webserver
17:50.36wols_dyndns is the same as "normal" DNS. just a very small TTL
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17:51.10_SKiTZOwhat is the best way to generate debian netboot images?
17:51.12joltcanTitan8990: I wouldn't say it is usually against the rules, over here (sweden) is it usally the other way around
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17:51.38Titan8990joltcan, yeah, europe is different then here in NA
17:52.03xxtjaxxwols_ Titan8990 that doesnt really help me I just need a hint where to get the update url
17:52.04wols_xxtjaxx: you cannot use a domain.de with telekom as your ISP
17:52.08joltcanTitan8990: I guess it's always best to have a look at any particular user agreeement just to be sure
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17:52.33Titan8990joltcan, yes, and it does look like that user is in germany
17:52.36wols_there is no such thing. go to dyndns.org, create a new, free domain there and tell the fritzbox your username and password at dyndns.org. that's all
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17:52.54Titan8990xxtjaxx, what dynamic dns service are you using?
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17:53.06Titan8990xxtjaxx, what wols_ said
17:53.10wols_Titan8990: ^his (and mine) ISP cuts him off frm the net once every 24h just to make running servers harder
17:53.37Titan8990wols_, yeah... thats why I just pay $10/mo for a VPS
17:53.38ranixI use dyndns.org so I can always access my machine
17:53.51wols_Titan8990: you pay too much :P
17:53.54ranixregardless of the isp randomly changing my ip, even though I have mostly a static IP
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17:55.12Titan8990wols_, I could do web hosting for a cheaper but I like to admin my own servers
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17:57.05Titan8990plus I can throw other services on it if I need... has enough to do email or something too
17:57.48xxtjaxxwols_ Titan8990 sorry had to talk to my parents for a minute I'm using freedns
17:57.50mark_sMe again, I get a return code of 111 from one of my scripts. I can echo it with $?. Now I try    if[$? = 111]    then do something   else    do something different  fi. It always goes to the else. Where is my mistake?
17:58.22greycatmark_s: spaces.  if [ $? = 111 ]; then
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18:00.17themillmark_s: if you have "echo exit code was $?" between your command and the if, then you'll change $?.
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18:03.14pinholecamerahey folks, how goes it?
18:03.32xxtjaxxbesides its not a .de domain so no problem there
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18:03.37mark_sthemill: thank you, $? changed to 0 :-)
18:04.02xxtjaxxpinholecamera: ah nothing just tr4ying to get my website online
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18:04.47pinholecamerafun fun
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18:07.55pinholecamerai want to setup some iptables rules to drop incoming access to certain ports for everyone except for certain ISP hostnames with wildcards. anyone can point me in the right direction to be able to do that?
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18:09.48wols_xxtjaxx: any domain you buy normally at a registry won't work. At least not well enough to use it
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18:10.52cuscowols_: out of curisity, how would I transfer a domain name to my own machine?
18:11.04cusconot delegate the nameservers, but really transfer it?
18:11.21cuscoit has been a doubt for some time to me
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18:11.46xxtjaxxwols_: why? I didnt buy it just tell me the mistry uopdate url I have to insert there plese be so kind to mie
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18:12.25YezI have xp and windows 7 on my first hdd, linux on my second hdd. I reinstalled XP and I recovered grub using a livecd, but now I am unable to boot windows7. Any thoughts on how to fix this?
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18:13.06cuscoYez: yes install os-prober
18:13.08cuscoand run it
18:13.16cuscoYez: then update-grub
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18:13.39Yezok
18:13.48Yezthanks
18:13.50YezI'll try :)
18:13.59cusco:)
18:14.03ranixwow os-prober
18:14.05babilencusco: You got t working?
18:14.08twiggzgrub2 on testing install was being a bitch, it would pick my wifes windows up and tell it that it would be bootable...then i guess it forgot somewhere between there and the first boot....
18:14.25ranixback in my day when we erased an MBR installing linux we just put the drive back and got another one
18:14.26twiggzjust running update-grub again fixed it
18:14.30cuscobabilen: oh! hello! I didn't bother with it yet...
18:14.45babilencusco: OK, just curious :-D
18:14.54cuscobabilen: I noticed settings in err... what was that file? (/me needs to lastlog) and there was pcspeaker as -2
18:15.14cuscobut I just installed an app that wanted to use pcspeaer and it was set to alsa default device
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18:15.32wols_xxtjaxx: there is no such thing as I told you already. And if you didn't buy a domain, you don't have a domain you can use
18:15.40babilencusco: Do you have other soundcards?
18:15.45cuscobabilen: no
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18:16.03khaije|amaltabrotman: when you said use netinst, did you mean: grab a lenny netinst and dist-upgrade to squeeze? or are there actually squeeze netinst's?
18:16.04cuscotho this is a hda intel, so it may choose between high defenition audio and/or analog
18:16.05CutMeOwnThroatwols_, suggest he use nosmoke.exe...
18:16.23abrotmankhaije|amalt: no, i told you if you oculdn't find it that i would help you
18:16.29abrotmankhaije|amalt: i386 or amd64 ?
18:16.34khaije|amaltabrotman: i386
18:16.45babilencusco: Might be an ALSA problem then which is unrelated to the "default card" ...
18:16.52xxtjaxxwols_please look at freedns or dyndns.org they are both free and delive r full domains with subdomain
18:16.57abrotmankhaije|amalt: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
18:17.02cuscokhaije|amalt: there are stable/testing/sid netinstalls, but if I were you I would use stable netinstall then upgrade *if you really wnat to*
18:17.05abrotmankhaije|amalt: best of luck .. hopefully ont broken
18:17.31cuscobabilen: choosing in that app (twinkle) alsa intel analog device worked, so I didn't bother with it yet
18:17.35wols_xxtjaxx: I told you right at the beginning what to do. NO  url of any kind required with dyndns. your router has a nice big entry field for username and password for dyndns which will update the dns servers
18:17.38babilenkhaije|amalt: make that *if you really absolutely postively HAVE to* ;-)
18:17.50cuscobabilen: heh
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18:18.10khaije|amaltlol thanks mate, is it actually tricky to find via the website or am i being retarded?
18:18.11cuscodoesn't feel like working
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18:18.27babilencusco: alright. take your time. i was just curious. (brb -> have too cook)
18:18.36wols_xxtjaxx: and since when does dyndns do second level domains?
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18:18.43cusco!TELL khaije|amalt about netinst
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18:19.20khaije|amalti know what it is, i just couldn't find it for testing on the website
18:20.05cuscokhaije|amalt: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
18:20.40abrotmani already gave him the link to the URL
18:20.50abrotmanerm .. to the ISO
18:21.06cuscooops
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18:22.25Yezcusco, when i run os-prober all i get is:  /dev/sda1:Windows XP Professional x64 Edition:Windows:chain
18:22.34Yezit doesnt seem to recognize the w7 partition
18:22.38Yezfdisk does tho
18:23.06ranixso run update-grub
18:23.15Yezk
18:23.18khaije|amaltya im fine, im just wondering if i need to know the url or if i wasn't navigating the site right
18:23.28CodeNinjaYAR
18:23.29Yezand than reboot and try w7?
18:23.36CodeNinjaoh, wrong chan
18:23.38ranixCodeNinja: you are not a pirate you are a ninja
18:23.46maligorif os-prober can't see it, how would update-grub?
18:23.55CodeNinjaranix: :P
18:24.18ranixmaligor: it does see it, it just thinks win7 is xp64
18:24.26Yezranix, not realy
18:24.31Yezi do have Win xp64
18:24.35ranixoh
18:24.39Yezand on the same drive is W7
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18:27.48babilenYez: Is xp64 or win7 on sda1?
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18:27.56Yezyes
18:28.04Yezand linux on sda2
18:28.10Yezgrub is located at the mbr
18:28.26Yezeverything worked fine until i reinstalled xp
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18:29.11babilenYez: OK -  is xp64 XOR win7 on sda1?
18:29.16babilenYez: ;-)
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18:29.27Yezthey both are on sda1
18:29.35Yezi mean
18:29.37Yezholdon
18:29.38YezxD
18:29.44Yezwinxp is on sda1
18:29.48Yezwin7 on sda2
18:29.51Yezlinux on sdb1
18:29.56Yezi was a bit confused, sry:P
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18:31.41babilenwhere you able to boot win7 before (from within grub) ?
18:31.53Yeznope
18:32.02Yezyou see, i had a windowsxp entry in my grub menu
18:32.17Yezwhen i used it, it kicked me to a windows bootloader where i could choose windowsxp or win7
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18:32.27Yezbut because i reinstalled windowxp, that menu is gone
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18:33.25Yezand the only thing left now, is grub :)
18:33.34Yezbut i must be able to boot windows7 from within grub, no?
18:33.56Titan8990kind of, grub chainloads the windows bootloader
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18:34.28Yezhmm
18:34.49Yezbut im afraid the windows bootloader is gone
18:34.56Yezso it can't chainload it i guess
18:34.58abrotman!enter
18:34.58dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:35.06YezxD
18:35.10Yezsry
18:35.22Titan8990Yez, windows 7 makes a dedicated boot partition in which the bootloader is
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18:35.38Yezyeah, that small system partition, ive seen that one
18:35.41Titan8990if you delete that boot partition then you will not be able to boot windows 7, but that is a topic for #windows
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18:35.51Yezokay, its not deleted tho
18:35.58braunkrautsilly question, is there an easy way to force a ssh key overwrite when you are aware that the remote key has changed?
18:35.59Yezfdisk /dev/sda returns me 3 paritions
18:36.08Titan8990Yez, otherwise, you chain load to that partition and you chainload to w/e C:\ is for your windows xp
18:36.30Titan8990and for the record I only gave partial windows support because im bored on lunch break
18:36.59Yezeheheh :)
18:37.08Titan8990braunkraut, if there is, that would be bad
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18:37.29Titan8990braunkraut, delete your ~/.ssh/known_hosts or remove the line for the host where the key has changed
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18:38.58braunkrautTitan8990: there are a number of scenarios where a known host key change has occurred. Deleting the know_hosts file is probably the worst thing you can do in that circumstance, and manually deleting the entries is annoying. If I know a key has changed, a force option would be neat.
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18:39.20braunkrautjust curious if you can manipulate the strict key check option via the ssh command directly.
18:39.53dkrbraunkraut: CheckHostIP=no  :)
18:40.00Titan8990braunkraut, how often do you change the rsa key on your servers?
18:40.30braunkrautTitan8990: I regularly have switches/routers that get replaced etc.
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18:41.07dkrsave the keys and update them?
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18:41.44dkron the other end, I mean
18:42.01Yezanyways, thanks all for the help... cusco, Titan8990, babilen;)
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18:43.24Titan8990braunkraut, and i think its for the best that you have to do some manually... that mechanism is there to help prevent MITM attacks
18:45.36NoCodeHow can I figure out the default configurations that xorg has given me in Squeeze? I want to be able to see what settings I have so I can tweak if need be....
18:45.52Titan8990NoCode, should be pretty much an empty xorg.conf
18:46.03Titan8990setting are created when xserver starts by HAL
18:46.06greycatI think there's no xorg.conf at all by default now.
18:46.26mattgirvBut xorg.conf overrides any other configuration right?
18:46.31NoCodeYeah, that's what I mean. Nothing is there. But, how do I find out what settings are used to run x?
18:46.37NoCodemattgirv, yes
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18:47.03Titan8990mattgirv, for the time being, yes
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18:47.34Titan8990I do know that I told to one is supposed to use HAL fdi file instead of xorg.conf.... a bit later I hear that xserver + HAL are no more
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18:48.02mattgirvTitan8990: Best just waiting it out and seeing what happens, can be erratic at times
18:48.10Titan8990fedora and ubuntu have pushed out a new way of hardware detection in xserver that I have to learn
18:48.16abrotmanstop trying to be smarter than the distro! :)
18:48.20Titan8990err have yet to learn
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18:49.24greycatNoCode: if you need to write an xorg.conf file to specify something, you'll have to google around for an example one (Debian doesn't provide one, or if it does, it's WAY hard to find), and then adjust it.
18:49.57greycatOr if you have an old xorg.conf file lying around from some other non-Debian or older-Debian system, you could use that as a starting point.
18:50.16twiggzor create a simple one with X -configure
18:50.23Fantom__how can i enable my spdif on sound blaster x-fi debian linux?
18:50.32Titan8990!x-fi
18:50.32dpkg[x-fi] The Sound Blaster X-Fi is a sound card series from Creative Technology.  GPL-licensed vendor driver for EMU20K1/EMU20K2 chipsets (PCI-Ids 1102:0005, 1102:000b) merged in <ALSA> as snd-ctxfi, released in ALSA 1.0.21 (merged in Linux 2.6.32-rc1).  "Xtreme Audio" devices (CA0106/CA0110 chipsets) are supported by the snd-ca0106 (1102:0007) and snd-hda-intel (1102:0009) drivers in ALSA versions > 1.0.16.  http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi
18:51.13Titan8990greycat, IMO the template created from X -configure is a bit easier to work with than the old xorg.conf.example
18:51.34greycat!xorg config lenny
18:51.34dpkgIn lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout.  If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
18:51.40greycatfair enough
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19:02.46iluminator101hi i am at grub boot command line, apparently my boot menu is not working can someone help reconfigure my boot menu
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19:06.00Titan8990iluminator101, can probably get away with just running `update-grub` from a chroot
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19:10.07iluminator101titan8990: hmm.... i dont think the puppy linux i have has ext4 support i am downloading one with ti
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19:11.58FersureWhat's happened to the squeeze weekly builds? Seems like they've vanished again.
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19:15.25babilenFersure: the maintainer is on holiday AFAIK
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19:16.18vxdscndoes anyone know where I can download older versions of debian ?
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19:16.30greycat!archive
19:16.30dpkgi heard archive is a collection of files.  'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools.  This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation.  Maybe:  http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/
19:17.00wideInstalled bind9, when I edit resolv.conf to use 127.0.0.1 as primary nameserver, it keeps reverting to my old setting, using my old public nameserver (currently down) as primary and my isp as secondary.  I tried chmodding resolv.conf to 444 from 644 with no luck, something is still changing the file to the original primary/sec settings when I restart bind. Googling didn't help (suggested "immutable +1" hack, not a solution)
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19:17.06rajeshsrhi
19:17.19rajeshsrcan anyone help me get my working?
19:17.20widewhat's changing resolv.conf?
19:17.34greycatwide: usually it's your NIC being set to use DHCP
19:17.40j_14wide: are you using dhcp?
19:17.45rajeshsr*my mike
19:17.49wideyes, router is serving
19:17.52rajeshsr<PROTECTED>
19:18.15vxdscndpkg - nope only the dists no ISOs
19:18.15dpkgbugger all, i dunno, vxdscn
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19:18.47widegreycat, looked at dhcp settings on my desktop, didn't see anything in config files.  iirc setting up the router I didn't put in resolving names, I'll check that next
19:19.04greycat!override dns
19:19.06dpkgTo instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information.  Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
19:19.32Titan8990iluminator101, well, neither does lenny
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19:27.29Fersurebabilen: Ah, okay. Thanks.
19:29.11widegreycat, thanks, problem solved, didn't have to tear apart workspace to find router password with your solution.
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19:33.06petemcwide: out of interest, why is changing permissions ok but setting a file as immutable a hack ?
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19:33.48abrotmanpetemc: because ...
19:34.21petemcwaits
19:34.23asgin 3 months, he will be back wondering why he can't edit /etc/resolv.conf ... "The permissions look okay :/"
19:34.34ranixlol
19:34.46cuscoyes that may be true
19:35.00widepetemc, both are a hack, I read about the immutable, tried the chmod, but I know that it wasn't a solution, just a hack, and solving problems in debian means understanding cause before implementing solution, only way to learn
19:35.21abrotmanpetemc: told you :)
19:35.25petemc:)
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19:35.51cuscobut then if somebody can check permitions should also be able to check attributes
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19:36.13asgcusco: they can but often don't
19:36.22wideabrotman, what's the joke?
19:36.23cuscoasg: agreed
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19:36.44NoCode!xorg config squeeze
19:36.44dpkgFrom squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>.  Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf).  If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.  Ask me about <xorg hal>.  http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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19:37.12ranixwhat is the proper way to fix your nameservers, anyway?
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19:37.21abrotmanfix which part of it?
19:37.25cuscoranix: using dhcp?
19:37.25greycatranix: there are several "proper" ways.
19:37.33ranixabrotman: fix meaning "affix
19:37.40cuscoranix: I use the prepend option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
19:37.41greycatranix: there's the <override dns> way, and the <resolvconf> way...
19:37.58ranixaah ok
19:38.07abrotmanand the chattr way :)
19:38.10ranixso, just to cure my ignorance, why isn't wide doing that?
19:38.15asgand the fix your dhcp server way
19:38.17abrotmanbecause ...
19:38.21ranixpersonally I would fix the dhcp server
19:38.25greycatranix: he's doing the <override dns> way now that he knows it
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19:38.31cuscolatelly I have been using chattr actually.. been messing a lot with our nameservers :p
19:38.31ranixaaah ok
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19:38.41selfHow can I let a non-root user bind to *:443?
19:38.47greycatranix: often, one does not have authority over the DHCP server.
19:38.59widebecause I have been using a static network for the last ten years, therefore my dhcp knowledge is nil...
19:39.00ranixgreycat: aah I keep forgetting this since I am the top dog here
19:39.06abrotmanself: you can't directly AFAIK
19:39.18selfWell that sucks :s
19:39.23abrotmanself: why?
19:39.24asgself: bind to a higher port and use iptables to redirect 443 -> <higher port>
19:39.27greycatif there is a way to do that, it'll be some Linux-specific hack
19:39.30JPTisn't root the only one who is able to bind stuff to ports < 1024?
19:39.31ranixI just automatically assume people coming here for networking issues have control over all the routers and nameservers
19:39.38wideand I suspected it had something to do with dhcp, but checking dhcp on my client wasn't the solution, hence my asking here
19:39.39selfWanted to let some IRC clients connect to :443 to bypass restrictive firewalls
19:39.40greycatthough I like asg's answer
19:39.46cuscoasg's solutions seems sensible enough
19:39.48abrotmanself: going out or coming in?
19:39.49cusco:D
19:39.54asggreycat: standard way to deal with tomcat silliness
19:40.07selfabrotman: Coming in, the server has no restrictions
19:40.24abrotmanself: and the firewall blocks everything except 443 ?
19:40.26wideand I knew chmod 444 for resolv.conf was a hack, just wanted better response for the next few hours till I figured it out later today
19:40.52selfabrotman: The client firewall blocks all but 80 and 442; the server has no blocked ports
19:40.58selferr, 443
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19:41.16abrotmanawesome
19:41.25selfSince I use port 80 on the server for lighttpd; I was hoping to use add 443 to the lists of prots my IRCd will bind to
19:41.29selfbut, my IRCd cannot run as root
19:41.35self(for good reason)
19:41.37cuscoim sure the client does not "own" the firewall
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19:42.01selfNo, sadly, there are on a university campus ;)
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19:42.14cuscoself: like asg said, use iptables to bind 443 to a higher port
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19:42.35selfNow, I need to open up the iptable's manual
19:42.38selfgoes for his forklift
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19:42.58selfThere's a tutorial :)
19:43.03selfBless your heart Google
19:43.09selfThanks arg, cusco!
19:43.53asgself: if your university is worth its salt, it will likely notice the non-SSL traffic on port 443.
19:43.53anykeywhat do I do if I run Lenny and desperately *need* apache2 to perform SNI?
19:43.53selfasg: Not my university; and, never said the traffic would be unencrypted ;)
19:43.53greycatIf his university is blocking "all but 80 and 443" I wouldn't care to calculate their salt worth.
19:43.53asgself: fair enough
19:43.54asggreycat: good point
19:44.00Titan8990asg, uhh, i think you would have to actually inspect the packet to see that its not using TLS/SSL?
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19:44.11greycatTitan8990: many firewalls do that
19:44.13justingreycat: depends if they are in fact "blocking" stuff or forcing people through a proxy
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19:44.48Titan8990greycat, yes... I just didn't know sslstrip had been around that long that firewalls would perform packet inspection to look and see if traffic on 443 is encrypted or not
19:44.49greycatThe firewall here at work blocks port 6667, and it inspects traffic on other ports and drops the connection if it detects IRC traffic.  I learned this the hard way; hence I now just ssh-tunnel it.
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19:45.14yz250hello
19:45.21Titan8990ah, and there is webirc for when ssh blocked too
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19:45.32selfnods
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19:45.37greycatif they block port 22, I'll just run sshd on some other port
19:45.38Titan8990as terrible as it is, mibbit works
19:45.42selfCurrently the person in question is using mibbit
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19:45.57selfWhich, given Mibbit is availble suggests they aren't blocking websites.
19:46.06selfUnless they are really bad at the whole "blocking IRC" thing
19:46.43XedecimalI wanted to a multiwan configuration for my debian box... The tutorial I read suggests doing something with "nexthop via IPADDY dev eth#" yet my public WAN interfaces need to be DHCP and not static, so when they change, my routing table would be screwed, is there any way I can just go by device rather than ip address and device ? Can't it figure this out by the device which is allocated an...
19:46.44Xedecimal...ip before hand ?
19:47.00yz250i cant find debian testing iso no where if someone knows where can download it plz msg me
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19:47.51Morten__Hi - Twice in a couple of weeks my computer has been crashing (debian squeze) - It just stops with a black screen with a marker in the top left corner and I can see the the mouse cursor. Can't change tty and have to power off the machine
19:48.00greycat!msg me
19:48.01dpkgNobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg greycat.
19:48.05Morten__Is there a way to see what causes this?
19:48.12Titan8990thats awesome
19:48.24greycatyz250: what does a google search for  Debian squeeze netinst  give you?
19:48.36yz250nop :(
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19:48.41yz250i cant find iso
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19:48.50yz250i find some others files
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19:50.39ranixyz250: since your google-fu is weak
19:50.41ranixhttp://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
19:50.52Titan8990yz250, if you have to ask questions like that, you probably shouldn't be using squeeze
19:51.01Xedecimalor a computer
19:51.05ranix!iyhta
19:51.13ranix!dpkg?
19:51.13dpkg[dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg".  Also ask me about <reference>.  The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
19:51.29ranixblast someone killed it
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19:52.03greycatranix: /msg dpkg listkeys iyhta
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19:52.09yz250in this link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-bd/
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19:52.18ranixah iyhtays!
19:52.24yz250i dont see any iso
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19:53.15ranixyz250: let me help you farther
19:53.30ranixyz250: click on "OFFICIAL CD/DVD IMAGES OF THE "TESTING" DISTRIBUTION"
19:53.32Titan8990yz250, yep, looks like they don't make weekly builds
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19:54.04yz250ok ty
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20:18.39bronevikwhere you can download debian?
20:18.48asgbronevik: /msg dpkg ig
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20:24.32superpaulhi, is the ext4 filesystem planned to be include in the squeeze installer before his release?
20:24.37toolzhey, I need some help. I am trying to install debian on my new server and when I try I keep getting No disk drive detected, and I get a list with drivers to select
20:25.00toolzmy disk is installed, its a seagate 7200.11rpm 1TB hdd
20:25.01toolzSATA
20:25.09greycat!tell toolz about kmuto
20:25.46abrotmansuperpaul: yes
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20:26.01toolzgreycat, which one do I need for netinstall
20:26.30superpaulabrotman: ok great!
20:26.44toolzlenny-custom-0627.iso ?
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20:27.13greycattoolz: I'm assuming that your problem is the lack of recognition of your SATA controller in the lenny (2.6.26) kernel.  In which case, yes, a kmuto installer with a 2.6.30 kernel might work.
20:27.49toolzok I will try
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20:28.00toolzI just bough my new core i7 server
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20:28.09toolzdamn! cant wait to get it up :)
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20:36.24alokathey, i've heard that, that you run a apache webserver you can only use one ssl zertificate pro ip address. BUT: i have foo.bar.org and foo02.bar.org with a zertificate for each domain and it works. is this cause i use subdomains?
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20:37.03anykeyalokat: if your apache is patched for SNI, it works.
20:37.16greycat!sni
20:37.25anykeyServer Name Indication
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20:37.38CutMeOwnThroatsay hello to the new dpkg :)
20:37.41anykeyan SSLv3/TLSv1-Extension
20:37.44greycatanykey: botsnack ;-)
20:37.53anykeygreycat: excuse me?
20:37.56CutMeOwnThroathehe
20:38.01CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, botsnack
20:38.01dpkgthanks, CutMeOwnThroat
20:38.12rhodanFor Schools: Debian Testing or Stable?
20:38.13alokatanykey: do you mean this: NameVirtualHost 84.200.212.43:443 ?
20:38.13anykeyis confused.
20:38.25CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, confuse anykey
20:38.26dpkgYes, who is their bacon today, anykey?  Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Swaziland with extra ham.
20:38.29greycatrhodan: why are you considering non-stable?
20:38.29anykeyalokat: no. SNI is supported in apache 2.2.12 and upwards.
20:38.40rhodangreycat: KDE 4.3
20:38.40asgrhodan: stable, unless you have a seriously compelling reason not to.
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20:38.57greycatwhy would your school need KDE 4?
20:39.20anykeyalokat: it's an extension to openssl that allows the servername to be transmitted before a handshake starts, so apache will know what certificate to use, which it otherwise wouldn't.
20:39.30CutMeOwnThroatrhodan, unstable! Think of all the things one can learn from a broken system!
20:39.32rhodangreycat: Wo the hell would consider setting up KDE 3.5 for a *new* installation?
20:39.48greycatrhodan: um, who would actually care?  I don't use either one.
20:39.58anykeyalokat: there's a catch, though. apparently Windows XP doesn't support it, so MSIE6-folks get teary eyes.
20:39.59alokatokay thank you
20:40.05justinkde2 was pretty slick, I think it went downhill from there
20:40.17anykeyalokat: no prob.
20:40.25rhodanThe machines are pretty fast.
20:40.27rhodan2GB RAM, 2.3GHz c2d.
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20:40.59greycatdpkg, sni is Server Name Identification, an SSLv3/TLSv1-Extension in apache 2.2.12 and upwards that allows the servername (of an https:// request) to be transmitted before the SSL handshake.  This means you can have two SSL websites on one IP address now.
20:40.59dpkgokay, greycat
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20:41.37anykeyServer Name INDication, actually.
20:41.37SteveJoneshey,  can someone point me to some documentation on compiling/installing a raid card driver during install of lenny?
20:41.47greycatsorry
20:41.53greycatdpkg, sni =~ s/Identification/Indication/
20:41.53dpkgOK, greycat
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20:42.10anykeyand it's driving me nuts right now.
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20:42.58CutMeOwnThroatgives a nut to anykey
20:43.01anykeyone day, all machines running that dreadful browser will get a long-deserved reast in silicon heaven, and such technology might actually be usable.
20:43.46CutMeOwnThroatjust configure your apache to infect all such machines with something dreadful
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20:48.55fhdHi. I'm using the official nvidia installer to install the nvidia drivers, but apparently I do have some conflicting packages still installed. Is anyone here experienced with using the nvidia installer? Should I get rid of all the libgl packages?
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20:49.48greycatI don't think #debian ever suggests using the upstream nvidia driver installer.
20:50.00abrotmanit does not
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20:50.21abrotmanpeople here may, but they shouldn't be
20:50.27fhdgreycat: probably not, but I kind of have no choice (if I want 2.6.30 and the nonfree drivers)
20:50.40greycatI don't understand why you think that.
20:51.00CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions nvidia-kernel-source
20:51.01juddCutMeOwnThroat: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2
20:51.13abrotmani think they hvaen't put the new nvidia junk in yet .. and the 185 in sid doesn't work with 30 ?
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20:51.32blocktreehi guys, I'm unable to find mencoder in lenny's repositories main contrib and non-free ? is mencoder avaiable for lenny 5.0 ?
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20:51.59SteveJoneshey,  can someone point me to some documentation on compiling/installing a raid card driver during install of lenny?
20:52.01fhdgreycat: Prebuilt modules are not available, module assistant fails for me. I did not try to build myself, but I need a less time consuming way on that box.
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20:52.48CutMeOwnThroatfhd, and you think using the nvidia installer is less time consuming?
20:52.57fhdgreycat: I have a bad feeling about nvidia-installer actually, but I need a certain driver only available for 2.6.30 there. It's a pity
20:53.15fhdCutMeOwnThroat: It did only take a couple of seconds last time :)
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20:53.30fhdCutMeOwnThroat: but after one update, libGL was overwritten by a package, that was not that funny
20:53.36CutMeOwnThroatand what about all the time to fix up the breakage a bit lateron?
20:53.48CutMeOwnThroatI rest my case
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20:54.10fhdCutMeOwnThroat: pretty much :)
20:54.25fhdSo there's apparently no "nice" way to deal with the official installer
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20:56.18CutMeOwnThroatand i actually don't see why you'd have to use it - after all it's also compiling the module, pretty much the same as nvidia-kernel-source does
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20:56.31CutMeOwnThroatonle then it overwrites things without notice
20:57.06toolzgreycat, I have downloaded and tryed with that image but now its fucked up, it tells me no cd-rom media detected
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20:57.13toolzI have an IDE DVD-RW
20:57.19toolzwhat the heck..
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20:58.24toolzthis one doesn't see the cdrom ..
20:58.31toolzany idea?
20:58.31SteveJonesanyone?
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21:00.18abrotmanSteveJones: during the install? compiling?
21:00.58SteveJonesabrotman: well i can compile on a similar lenny system obviously before install, someone was telling me though i could just drop to a cmd shell during install to load the raid card driver
21:01.16SteveJonesi just wanted to make sure i followed proper procedures to do so
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21:02.26abrotmanSteveJones: you mean modprobe the driver
21:03.20SteveJonesabrotman: whatever driver is necessary to have debian lenny recognize my raid controller :)
21:03.33abrotmanyou can get a shell on alt-f3
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21:03.37SteveJonesi have a centos/rhes source for this raid driver from lsi
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21:03.49SteveJonesso im hopeful i can get it to compile/work on debian
21:03.54jelly-oneSteveJones: which raid controller is it?
21:04.00SteveJonesjelly: one sec
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21:04.17SteveJonesMegaRAID SAS 9260-8i
21:04.18jelly-onelspci -n (pciid of it)
21:04.30SteveJonesthey have support for like every freakin linux distro except ubuntu/debian which is pretty sad
21:04.31jelly-onemegaraid is in the kernel
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21:04.43SteveJonesit's not finding this card during install
21:05.00SteveJonesi called lsi and they said there were no current driver support for debian (take that for what its worth of course)
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21:05.12toolzgreycat, still here
21:05.15jelly-oneSteveJones: have you tried using an installer image with a newer kernel from kmuto.jp?
21:05.19toolzanyone who can help me?
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21:05.30stevenbinionany DNS guru's in here?
21:05.39toolzI cannot install debian it tells me no cd-drive media can be found when I try to
21:05.44SteveJonesjelly: we have a prebuilt lenny, i could rebuild it with a newer lenny iso, that isnt an issue, if you're confident the medaraid should be there
21:05.44jelly-oneSteveJones, vendor having no support for Debian isn't unusual at all
21:05.56toolzI tryed what greycat told me with this image: lenny-custom-0627
21:06.09SteveJonesthat'll actually save me time, which lenny iso do you recommend?
21:06.18toolzas with a notmal 5.0.3 i386 image it tells me it cannot find a disk drive
21:07.10jelly-oneSteveJones, uh, I usually just fetch the latest one from there.
21:07.22jelly-one!kmuto
21:07.22dpkgFor Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ .  The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
21:07.57toolzjelly-one read above
21:08.00SteveJonesbah i cant read that
21:08.07toolzI tryed with tha image now and it tells me no cd-rom media found
21:08.09SteveJonesis there an english version? heh
21:08.24toolzits an normal ide dvd-rw
21:08.31jelly-onetoolz, sorry, you're not having issues with a hwraid controller like the other guy.
21:08.38stevenbinioncan anyone help me with DNS between Lenny with BIND9 and Everydns.com I'm trying to setup MX NS records.
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21:09.02SteveJonesjelly-one: would you perhaps be able to give me a url for lenny 64bit (latest kern) i could grab via wget? *since i cant read that website*
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21:09.27jelly-oneSteveJones, read dpkg's line carefully.  There are TWO urls.
21:09.39toolzsorry thought that link was for me as greycat told me to use the image from there
21:09.44caraconanHi. I can't configure iptables to allow http traffic => http://pastebin.com/m179943bc Some help?
21:09.52toolzany idea if you can give me a hand in my case?
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21:10.20bert_2Hi, I'm making a special setup, I've installed a bare command line system and then added X, I want X to start without a login screen or visuals, now I can perfectly get it to run startx at startup but the resolution and/or frequentie isn't correct, can I set it from the startx or xinit command or do I have to edit some file (I tried /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it didn't help) ???
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21:11.07SteveJonesjelly: gotcha, ty.. testing now.. recompiling iso
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21:13.36greycatbert_2: you'll have to create and edit xorg.conf most likely, if the automatically determined resolution is wrong
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21:13.54caraconan<toolz> can you repeat the question?
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21:18.24fhdwas anybody here able to build the nvidia driver using module assistant on squeeze?
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21:19.16themill!nvidia squeeze
21:19.16dpkgnon-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
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21:20.26fhdthemill: thanks, but I'd prefer the one from squeeze, not from sid. just wanted to see if I'm the only one having problems, couldn't find a bug so far
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21:20.52themillfhd: nvidia in squeeze doesn't compile against the kernel in squeeze.
21:21.16fhdthemill: I see, thank you. Might try the sid sources then :)
21:21.43rgrfhd: there is a good one liner I think. someone pointed it to me last week.
21:22.02fhdI always tried to avoid mixing testing with unstable...
21:23.43CutMeOwnThroatnothing wrong with it if what you take is an XXX-source package
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21:24.25CutMeOwnThroatyou know, you can't actually backport such a package
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21:24.47toolzcaraconan
21:24.51toolzjust a sec
21:25.01toolzI tryed to install debian 5.0.3 using the netinstall cd
21:25.07toolzand it tells me no disk drive detected
21:25.26toolzI tryed to get the latest iso image from that link, lenny-custom-0627.iso
21:25.38toolzbut with that it does not detect the dvd-rw, an ide dvd-rw
21:25.50SteveJonesim trying a custom build off that iso right now, it's way smaller than my last lenny iso, so we'll see
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21:26.04toolzthe disk is one seagate 7200.11 rmp 1TB
21:26.10caraconan<toolz> I'm your main
21:26.12caraconanWait a sec
21:26.15toolzok
21:26.36toolzI have tryed from bios, setting IDE, AHCI.. nothing..
21:26.37caraconanhttp://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
21:26.43toolzyeah thats the link
21:26.53toolzI got this: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.30/lenny-custom-0627.iso
21:26.58caraconanThere you can download a twiked version of lenny (then upgrade to squeeze) that support sata disks
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21:27.17toolzI cannot install that one, it tells me no CD media detected
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21:27.19toolz:/
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21:27.55caraconanTry to burn again
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21:28.08toolzagain? why? isnt the same image?
21:28.14caraconanSure. The image was ok (at least two weeks again)
21:28.14toolzI just burned it
21:28.30CutMeOwnThroat"tried"
21:28.33toolzI just burned it few minutesc ago
21:28.36caraconanIf the install doesn't start: 1) corrupt .iso 2) bad burning process
21:29.02toolzit start but it does not detect a cd media
21:29.05caraconanTtry to download again and then burn onto another cd if it's possible. Believe me, the image works
21:29.05toolzstarts*
21:29.13toolzwho said it doesnt?
21:29.17caraconanOk, then is another reason
21:29.28caraconanExcuse me, I doesn't understood
21:29.36toolzyeah, I said on the installation process it tells me no cdrom media detected
21:29.49toolzwith this one no cdrom with the other one no disk
21:29.50toolzwtf
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21:30.11nitamhey, does anybody know if there is a way to have multiples mirrors in the source.list file (apt) ? .. I need to set both, my office proxy and an external one (in my laptop), so when I'm not in the office I can connect to the external one from home. Make any sense ?
21:30.12caraconanI never see this before...
21:30.15caraconanSorry
21:30.23toolzwhat can I do..
21:30.29caraconan<nitam> chroot
21:30.45caraconanExuces me: /etc/apt/apt.conf
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21:31.12fhd!nvidia tum
21:31.23caraconan/etc/apt/apt.conf => when you're under a proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf.noworking => when you're at home
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21:32.40CutMeOwnThroatfhd just "/msg dpkg tum"
21:33.21nitamcaraconan, how's that ? ... I need to create both conf files and how should I call/invoke them ?
21:35.11caraconan<nitam> the matter is have two configs, one for office and one for home?
21:35.31caraconanOr is have two distros ins same machine,for instance squeeze and sid?
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21:35.54Stew_ahi, i just created a new user for running an application, but it requires a higher value of ulimit -n than the default, i've looked around but couldn't find anything about how to change it for one user other than with the ulimit -n ## which the user doesn't have permission for. how would i go about changing the limit for just that user?
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21:37.13nitamcaraconan, the main idea is to have both mirrors in the source.list and make apt works whether I'm at home or in the office. Right now if I add both mirrors/proxys to the source list, one of them (the office apt proxy) is not going to be reachable from home, since is for internal purposes.
21:37.37caraconan/etc/apt/apt.conf => when you're under a proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf.noworking => when you're at home
21:37.53caraconanJust rename that file when you're out of the office
21:37.58caraconanTo test: aptitude update
21:38.03toolzdoes anyone knows why on newer systems.. I believe thats why it does not work, cannot install debian?
21:38.08nitamcaraconan, is not under a real proxy, just a local repository ... just to be in the same page.
21:38.20toolzor anyone has a fix to get it installed
21:38.22nitamoh
21:38.37caraconannitam why you want a local repository?
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21:39.16nitamcaraconan, we have one in our office, in order to provide updates from the local network instead of everybody downloading from an external mirror.
21:39.29caraconanThis works?
21:39.34nitamyes
21:39.47caraconanWell, then type another /etc/apt/sources.list
21:40.27caraconanMantain two /etc/apt/sources.list, and rename it one you're not using
21:40.33NoCodeIs it possible to get the latest gwibber in Squeeze?
21:40.59rgrdircproxy is half working : but its trying to autojoin some channels before correctly authorising me. Anyone familiar with this?
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21:41.14nitamI did, but it uses the first mirror in the source list, so, if I set 1st the office mirror, then it won't be using the 2nd one when I get home, moreover, it gonna get crazy because the address won't be reachable from home.
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21:41.25nitamyes, that's my only chance
21:41.35nitamI was looking for something else ...
21:41.58caraconannitam, two files, not two repositories in the same file
21:42.07nitamya, I know
21:42.23NoCodeI need to learn how to pin packages so I can get stuff from sid. >.>
21:42.28caraconanI think it's the best sollution...
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21:42.47WaxheadI run Squeeze on a acer aspire one A150 notebook. A while ago the keyboard layout went "nuts" after the loginscreen (gnome). What happens is that the keys get's "mixed up" o = 6 for instance - if I ctrl+alt+f1 and keep pressing ooo in the console AFTER entering my username and password on the GUI login the keyboard does works as expected. Anyone with an idea what to look for?!
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21:43.12rgrNoCode: first step is APT::Default-Release "testing"; in apt.conf !
21:43.21rgrs/testing/whatever
21:43.23abrotmanNoCode: it's almost always better to build it yourself .. /msg dpkg ssb
21:43.40Waxheadbtw: if I log in wihtout the ctrl+alt+f1 part and even the console get's "messed up"
21:43.52caraconanCan someone help me to configure iptables to allow port 80 traffic? http://pastebin.com/m278ce9a1
21:43.58harkWaxhead: maybe you have numlock on?
21:44.02abrotmancaraconan: #netfilter
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21:44.06Waxheadhark: nope
21:44.17caraconan<abrotman> nobody answers...
21:44.36abrotmanbe patient
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21:45.09NoCodeWait.. there's backports for Squeeze too?
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21:45.28abrotmanNoCode: no, you can make your own
21:45.33iluminator101I am having trouble with my grub menu can someone please help me here it is http://debian.pastebin.com/d3b4abae3
21:45.38fhdCutMeOwnThroat: lol, just found out that the official nvidia drivers did actually make my mouse wheel (!) malfunction. you were kind of right
21:45.56NoCodeabrotman, hmm, okay.
21:46.00abrotmaniluminator101: let me guess .. windows won't boot ?
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21:46.08nitamcaraconan, what is your default policy on input ?
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21:46.21Waxheadhark: feel free to shoot me at any time - toggeling numlock fixes the "problem"... :P no light on my keyboard tough! - thanks ;)
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21:46.41nitamcaraconan, try iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT (in case your default policy is deny)
21:46.57harkWaxhead: heh np
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21:47.06caraconanI think I did: http://pastebin.com/m278ce9a1
21:47.13nitamcaraconan, that will allow everybody to connect to your http port from anywhere.
21:47.18Waxheadfeels like an idiot 8[
21:47.35Stew_ai've just created a new user for running an application, but it requires a higher value of ulimit -n than the default, i've looked around but couldn't find anything about how to change it for one user other than with the ulimit -n ## which the user doesn't have permission for. how would i go about changing the limit for just that user?
21:47.40toolzhow do I make a bootable stick
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21:47.44toolzinstead of an cd
21:47.47toolzto install debian
21:48.08abrotman!tell toolz about usb install
21:48.08nitamcaraconan, wait, that's wrong ... your default policy is ACCEPT, doing that, you don't need to add rules accepting packages to any port
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21:48.37caraconan<nitam> how can I see the default policy?
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21:48.47iluminator101here is some info for the grub menu.lst http://debian.pastebin.com/d536ca93d
21:48.51nitam-P INPUT ACCEPT
21:49.11nitamif you do iptables -L you will be able to see it
21:49.25nitamcaraconan, Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
21:49.49caraconan<nitam> but I still can't connect from outside
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21:50.24fhdGreat, it did work. Thanks guys
21:50.26valdyncaraconan: router between that and the net?
21:50.34fhdMouse wheel still malfunctioning though, maybe it wasn't the driver.
21:50.44caraconanvaldyn> yes
21:50.51nitamcaraconan, it's not an iptables thing, that script is not filtering anything
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21:51.01caraconanNAT is ok: if I quit iptables, it connects to apache
21:51.02valdyncaraconan: so stop messing with iptables that already allowed port 80 by default and fix the router
21:51.12iluminator101abortman:nothing boots...........
21:51.33caraconan<nitam> <valdyn> Sure: if I quit iptables, it works
21:51.37abrotmanhdc0,3 is almost certainly wrong
21:51.44caraconanIf I enable it, it doesn't works
21:51.48valdyncaraconan: iptables cant be "quit"
21:51.58abrotmaniluminator101: IMO .. install grub2 and os-prober
21:51.58caraconanIt can
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21:52.23caraconanhttp://pastebin.com/m78de32bc
21:52.23shattereddpkg: dom0?
21:52.23iluminator101abortman: how....i cant boot to it
21:52.24dpkgshattered: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
21:52.25valdyncaraconan: by removing the kernel modules yes, i doubt you did that
21:52.32abrotmaniluminator101: undo whatever you did to break it
21:52.41caraconan<valdyn> not quit, just allow all
21:53.06caraconanI have two scripts: one to build rules, other one to quit all
21:53.13iluminator101abortman can you be so kind as to tell the manual command to boot it...i am at the grub prompt
21:53.29valdyncaraconan: just show the iptables -L output
21:53.31abrotmaniluminator101: use a liveCD .. i have no idea what hardware you have
21:53.36nitamcaraconan, flush !quit
21:54.00caraconanhttp://pastebin.com/m24cace21
21:54.01deadcatanyone uses the apple bluetooth keyboard on sid? i did an upgrade few weeks ago and its just pain in the ass to use it. (have to reinsert batteries EVERY reboot, then wait wait wait...)
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21:54.19iluminator101abortman:http://debian.pastebin.com/d536ca93d
21:54.53abrotmaniluminator101: you should be reading the grub docs ..
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21:55.17nitamcaraconan, I insist, this firewall is pointless if your default policy for each chain is ACCEPT ...
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21:55.50caraconan<nitam> I swear to you if I quit all the rules it connects
21:56.19nitamcaraconan, who wrote this ? ... do you really need those forwards rules ?
21:56.46caraconan<nitam> I'm testing. Surely a lot of rules are stupid
21:56.47valdyncaraconan: this isnt actually all rules, you can have more chains
21:56.52valdyncaraconan: this isnt actually all rules, you can have more chains or tables
21:57.16jairif i have a system running debian lenny at home and want to check that the ISP is not blocking port 25 tcp, can I try to run a traceroute and indicate using port 25? something like this: traceroute -p 25 host/ip?
21:57.27caraconan<valdyn> Let's go from simple to difficult
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21:57.38caraconanI will rewrite my chains, and paste to you
21:57.40caraconanone sec
21:57.43nitamcaraconan, right, do iptables -t nat -L and let me know
21:57.44jairand that way I can see the hops where I can not get packets through.
21:57.59valdyncaraconan: your iptables -L lists only the foward,input,output chains, but you probably set up more
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21:58.30caraconanhttp://pastebin.com/m18af705b
21:58.33valdyncaraconan: so try "iptables -t nat -L" etc
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22:01.12valdyncaraconan: nothing relevant there
22:01.24valdyncaraconan: all these rules do nothing to port 80
22:01.50caraconanI will try to write a script to open port 22 and 80, and close the rest
22:02.12valdyncaraconan: all your policies being on accept the rules do nothing
22:02.56caraconanhttp://pastebin.com/mf0a9939
22:03.06valdyncaraconan: except for this rule REJECT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
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22:03.09nitamcaraconan, just change your default policy, is all you need ... then open 22 and 80. You need to open/accept new/established connection as well.
22:03.09caraconan<valdyn> Please add the necessary to achieve it
22:03.44nitamcaraconan, -P INPUT DROP
22:04.00caraconan<nitam> at the begining?
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22:04.19mango_hello every one
22:04.56nitamcaraconan, in this order: default policy, open new & established for both protocols, then open 22 and 80 ... you will be fine :p
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22:05.18caraconan<nitam> please, edit my paste
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22:06.27draskoHi all. How can I see if my laptop integrated camera is on or off?
22:06.45caraconan<nitam><valdyn> thanks a lot for your help. I will review iptables in deepth. Now to sleep.
22:06.45abrotmanwith a simple webcam app? cheese?
22:06.47caraconanThanks
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22:07.33draskoabrotman, it is integrated into laptop.
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22:07.42JPTiluminator101: what do you want to boot?
22:07.47JPTit's a set of commands
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22:08.08snfanyone experienced with live-helper with squeeze?
22:08.22abrotmandrasko: right .. use an application to check if it's working
22:08.40iluminator101JPT: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-amd64 root=UUID=2608eed5-11f2-4de2-93d6-9344e6a53c52 ro quiet  at /hdc3
22:08.48JPTmhh
22:08.48draskoabrotman, which app? Can it be seen from the conole also?
22:09.03abrotmanno idea .. i don't have one .. but in X there are many simple webcam apps
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22:09.49JPTiluminator101: basically, you just need to adapt these three lines: http://nopaste.info/676b362fb3_nl.html
22:10.11abrotmanoh that's going to go poorly
22:11.42Lnsok, so I'm having an issue with /usr/bin/mail (which is a symlink to /usr/bin/bsd-mail) in lenny.. if I send an e-mail via "echo blah | /usr/bin/mail -s "blah subject" myemail.net" it will never get through to my mailserver. If I telnet to mymailserver.net 25" and do the smtp commands to send an e-mail it works fine (so I know it's not a deny from my mailserver"... anyone know what's up with that?
22:12.17iluminator101JPT: root=/dev/sda5 what does that refer to?
22:12.41JPTiluminator101: this refers to my system partition (where / is)
22:12.52JPTso the kernel knows where to go on and stuff
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22:13.48iluminator101jpt:why is hd(0,4) instead it being 0 5
22:13.55CutMeOwnThroathm, I was logged out at some time during the weekend, today I see this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/f179039db
22:14.01JPTbecause grub starts counting from zero instead of one
22:14.14JPTso sda5 is hd(0,4) to grub
22:14.33iluminator101jpt:aha...thats my problem
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22:14.52JPTso if you want to boot from ... e.g. hda1, you need hd(0,0)
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22:15.31iluminator101jpt: on my livecd / comes up as sda3
22:15.42JPTmhh...then you need hd(0,2)
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22:16.38CutMeOwnThroatsigh, also, usbmount doesn't mount usb-sticks anymore - seems it's recognized, but the new sdg device isn't readable: again dmesg http://pastebin.com/f693e4c99
22:16.41iluminator101jpt: i type this individually at grub prompt right
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22:16.53JPTyep...
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22:17.15CutMeOwnThroatanything besides reboot I can try there?
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22:18.16JPTCutMeOwnThroat: if possible, reload the usb modules
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22:18.28CutMeOwnThroatjust did with usb_storage
22:18.43JPTwait a second..
22:18.44CutMeOwnThroatis there another one?
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22:19.03JPT[2497466.235777] sd 28:0:0:0: [sdg] Write Protect is off <-- your device shoulb be writeable
22:19.13JPToh...misread sth
22:19.20mango_hello, I have a debian lenny installed on  dell xps m1330 machine...but I can not get the wifi card to work on it
22:19.21CutMeOwnThroata) it is, b) it's not even readable
22:19.26mango_the card is  Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
22:19.39mango_can any one give me a hint on how to get it working please?
22:19.41mango_thanks
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22:19.58iluminator101jpt:so i typed all this into grub, how do i boot
22:19.59CutMeOwnThroatwell, guess I've got to reboot
22:20.09CutMeOwnThroatafter only 27 days of uptime
22:20.10JPTiluminator101: just type "boot" and hit enter again
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22:21.00hark!tell mango_ about bcm43xx
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22:21.21hark!tell mango_ about b43
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22:21.47harkmango_: b43 is the one you have to follow
22:22.14JPTmhh...i'll go to bed now... cya sometime tomorrow ;)
22:22.23mango_hark: so I just type b43 on the net ...and check their website?
22:22.41iluminator101thanks jpt
22:22.56mango_hark: sorry, I just got the dpkg message.....lol
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22:23.43iluminator101jpt: one last q? does this commands automatically update menu.lst or?
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22:25.58wonderwal-is there a tool i could install which would mail system stats to an email add, every day?
22:26.08wonderwal-such as disk usage
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22:27.27Xedecimalis there a document out there somewhere that describes doing the whole ip routing in english ?
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22:27.54Xedecimallike, an ip address with a /24 ? WTF does that mean? Something to do with a subnet mask short hand or something
22:28.03DDaveouuuchhh
22:28.13DDaveXedecimal, /24 is 255.255.255.0
22:28.16LnsXedecimal: google cidr
22:28.16karmeXedecimal: yes - 255.255.255.0 => ..
22:28.26karmeDDave: :-P
22:28.33DDavekarme, =D
22:28.35Xedecimalwhy /24 ? What's /16 ?
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22:28.44DDave24x 1 bit
22:28.44LnsXedecimal: google cidr
22:28.47Xedecimalk
22:29.13starenkahi, im creating a shell script which manipulates w/ mysql as root user. how should i store root passwd for mysql? i don't like the idea being somewhere in plaintext even if readable only for root
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22:29.58jillhello everybody
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22:30.10Xedecimalok, that makes more sense now
22:30.18jilli am installing debian 5 by internet on my old toshiba notebook
22:30.35jillp III 750 Mhz 128 RAM 8 Video 2d
22:30.40Xedecimalfrom 32 to 0 are the bits you can use for your mask and 24 is 256 which would do the class d subnet mask 255.255.255.0
22:31.02jilli need to know what kernel should i install?
22:31.09SteveJoneshrmm
22:31.10jill686 or 486?
22:31.26jilland 2-6 or 2-6-26?
22:31.31jillwho can help?
22:31.33SteveJonesthis cd you guys gave me hangs on (process:4198): INFO kbd-mode setting console mode to Unicode
22:31.55Xedecimallets say my debian box is getting an ip for the internet on eth1... Then on eth2 is my 192.168.1.x subnet and I wish everyone on that, to get through eth1... Which is dhcp assigned so I can't really specify the hard written ip address, how would I go about doing this then ?
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22:33.10prahaljill, 486 is fine (I cannot recall if 686 is pentium V but I ll double check and report
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22:33.36EagleScreeni686 for Pentium II or upper
22:33.52jillprahal: 2.6-486 or 2.6.26-2-486?
22:34.17Xedecimalactually, I can't use nexthop without an ip can I ?
22:34.29prahalhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 686 is fine for PIII
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22:34.43Xedecimalcan I set in my interfaces file a post-up route add blah blah $(IP) or some crap like that?
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22:36.43lhasbsHello all. I just installed Debian on my laptop and everything is excellent, but the built-in wifi doesn't seem to work. Where should I go from here?
22:37.05SteveJoneslhasbs: linux/debian sucks ass for wifi
22:37.12SteveJonesanyone who tells you otherwise is smoking drugs
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22:37.13lhasbsuh
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22:37.24lhasbscan anyone help me pls?
22:37.31abrotmanSteveJones: Debian is fine for wifi ... mine has always worked without firmware
22:37.39abrotmanlhasbs: what isy our wifi chipset ?>
22:37.41lhasbsabrotman any idea?
22:37.43SteveJonesabrotman: it will not get the max speeds from N
22:37.56abrotmanSteveJones: it's still faster than your ISP .. go cry elsewhere
22:38.03SteveJonesnot fast enough for a LAN
22:38.09abrotmanshocker .. news at 11
22:38.17lhasbsI just installed Debian on my laptop and everything is excellent, but the built-in wifi doesn't seem to work. Where should I go from here?
22:38.19SteveJonesim just saying that should be fixxed
22:38.21abrotmanlhasbs: what isy our wifi chipset ?>
22:38.28abrotmanSteveJones: so quit being lazy and fix it
22:38.35abrotmanSteveJones: no wifi is fast enough for a LAN
22:38.55SteveJonesuh i cant, i wouldnt have the first clue how to code a wifi driver for debian/ubuntu lol
22:38.56abrotmanlhasbs: if you can't tell us at least your laptop model and/or wifi chipset .. we can't help you
22:39.05abrotmanSteveJones: then stop complaining
22:39.12SteveJonesi wasnt complaining, i was informing that guy
22:39.19SteveJonesi already accepted the fact N speeds suck with linux atm
22:39.19abrotmanzip it
22:39.34abrotmanlhasbs: What is your laptop?
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22:42.18toolzI am trying to install and boot from a usb
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22:42.28toolzbut it keeps asking me that it cannot find an ISO image to install
22:42.43toolzthough I did exactly as said, abrotman
22:42.45prahalSteveJones, read the ralink sources (port of the windows driver) then read the WIP r2800pci sources and you ll discover that writing a driver made for linux kernel wifi stack is way way easier
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22:43.57prahalthe issue is it takes monthes to discover what the firmware does in the inside (and that ralink driver does nto help much 35 depth of fix the previous functions behaviour)
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22:44.29SteveJonesprahal: understood but still beyond me, if it was that easy im sure one of your really smart/genius type guys woulda done it by now :)
22:44.43rgrIs there anything worse than someone who positions himself to help who then tells people looking for help and support to "go fix it themselves" when they mention performance issues? Give it a rest for crying out loud.
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22:45.00abrotmanrgr: please stop trolling
22:45.02rgrWriting a diver for wireless is easy? Yeah sure.
22:45.06rgrI am not trolling.
22:45.09abrotmanyes, you are
22:45.19anykeysome things never change *sigh*
22:45.23SteveJonesid tend to agree :P not trolling
22:45.35SteveJonesi just find it funny how emo you got when i stated something linux does subpar
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22:45.46abrotmanhe does it all the time .. he'll say something rude and quit before oyu can give a response .. he does it all the time
22:45.56rgrTrolling is claiming that writing a wireless driver is easy. It#s clearly an issue and many people come here for help. And many thanks for help in the past.
22:46.06prahalwhat I also imply is that the brand developper ported the windows driver and if you see the driver you could easely bet the windows one is as borked as the port (thus full of corner cases where it sometimes BSOD)
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22:46.26abrotmannot a single one of you actually offered to help the guy .. you just started bashing the linux wireless drivers
22:46.30SteveJonesprahal: windows 7 has never bsod'd.. and it gets the full max (tested) N speeds
22:46.32prahalrgr, I write code for rt2800pci :)
22:46.46rgrprahal: I have no doubt its easy for you :-;
22:46.51abrotmanand you potentially scared him off .. great job
22:46.53SteveJonesabrotman: he never even gave his chipset or notebook model.. kinda hard to help
22:47.13SteveJonesi was simply saying if he's going for N speeds, dont waste his time, if he is ok with ABG, then sure that's doable
22:47.14abrotmanSteveJones: he did respond to you when you said "wifi sucks" .. if you had asked him which chipset he had to start, he might have responded to that
22:47.15prahalnot easy far from that but I quit trying to make sense of the windows port :)
22:47.31SteveJonesabrotman: why wouldnt he respond to your 3 requests then?
22:47.40abrotmanyou scared him off ?
22:47.50SteveJonessomeone who needs help wouldn't be scared off
22:47.53abrotmananyways .. hopefully he'll come back and tell us the info we need
22:47.54SteveJonesthat's silly
22:48.02abrotmanSteveJones: that's bull and you know it
22:48.03rgrabrotman: you are a great help at times. But sometimes I think you have no idea just how rude and abrasive you are. *shrug*.
22:48.05SteveJonesit's not like i hit the dude with a broom
22:48.11abrotmanrgr: pot/kettle
22:48.22rgrI am never rude. Anyway, I'll drop it there.
22:48.39abrotmanSteveJones: i'm just saying you could have asked him which chipset he had before you went off about the state of wifi
22:48.44SteveJonesabrotman is normally extremely helpful and is a nice guy 99% of the time, so ill take that, i wasnt really trying to bash linux , hello i use it , simply stating im very disappointed with the wifi N speeds
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22:48.52SteveJonesabrotman: fair enough
22:49.02abrotmanfor all you know, he may have the only surviving 11a hardware in the world :)
22:49.45SteveJonesi wasnt trying to scare the dude off, ill say that much. if he really wants help (i mean hello he's still in the channel) he will ask for it, he's probably trying to figure out his chipset/laptop model
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22:50.19prahalSteveJones, you have an issue with the kbd-mode console mode to unicode still ? could you open another console (alt+ctrl+F2) ?
22:50.28abrotmanlhasbs: did you find your laptop model yet?
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22:51.05SteveJonesprahal: naw its locked up, im gonna get the DC to reburn the cd/iso
22:51.09SteveJonescould be a bad burn
22:51.22abrotmanwait .. your RAID driver locked up the console?
22:51.26SteveJonesi was just wondering if tha tmight be a common problem with that iso (as ive never used it before)
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22:51.36SteveJonesabrotman: didn't get tha tfar it was loading the instaler
22:51.53abrotmanoh
22:52.02SteveJonesi grabbed that jp iso with 2.6.30, and then extracted it and did our custom d-i changes, repackaged it and burned it as an iso
22:52.40SteveJonesim gonna just try and burn the 2.6.20 jp iso and see if that'll boot, if it boots ill do the custom stuff after install since this isn't a typical install for this box
22:52.45prahalhum there is some kind of console switch when loading unicode (trying to makde sense of the time it locks up) ... so if the sha of the cdrom does not match the one told on the net could you report back ?
22:52.47SteveJonessince most have perc 6is
22:53.22SteveJonesprahal: i repackaged it so the sum would be dif
22:53.36SteveJonesprahal: im gonna just use the linux-0627custom iso this time
22:53.40SteveJonesand i imagine that'll work
22:53.57abrotmanSteveJones: aren't the perc6 cards older ?
22:53.59SteveJonesmaybe our custom d-i changes conflicted with some on that 0627-custom iso
22:54.00abrotmanmegaraid ?
22:54.16SteveJonesabrotman: the megaraid is a new card, for whatever reason it wasnt being seen by 2.6.26 (i think thats the kernel)
22:54.33abrotmanSteveJones: there are two megaraid drivers IIRC .. one works well, the other not so much
22:54.36SteveJonesi had to compile esx drivers when i used this card also, so seems this card isnt very driver friendly
22:54.47LnsCan someone help me troubleshoot sending mail from lenny and not receiving it on my mailserver (using /usr/bin/mail -> /usr/bin/bsd-mailx ) ?
22:55.10SteveJoneslns: did you test via telnet?
22:55.28LnsSteveJones: yes, and it worked :/
22:55.47abrotmanchecked the mailq and maillogs ?
22:55.49SteveJonesqueued up, and you saw the mail via /var/log/mail.info(or mail.log) ?
22:56.00Lnslemme check real quick
22:56.08prahal"lshw -class network" should tell enough for us to find the wifi chipset , does not it ?
22:56.11SteveJonestail -f on the mail like while you're doing your telnet test
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22:56.33SteveJones*mail log
22:56.35abrotmanprahal: for that guy?
22:56.47abrotmanprahal: usually lspci -nn is enough
22:56.57SteveJoneson a side note i love lshw
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22:57.00SteveJoneshow it can export
22:57.02prahalyes . That s not as good as lsub and lspci -vvv but way easier for the user
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22:57.13prahaloups lspci -nn :)
22:57.30Lnsabrotman: SteveJones: all /var/log/mail.err,info,log,warn are 0 btyes :/
22:57.39abrotmanuh ..
22:57.48abrotmanif you've tested with telnet, there should be a log
22:57.53abrotmanLns: 'uname -a' ?
22:58.12Lnsabrotman: Linux warden 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
22:58.26abrotmanLns: which SMTP server did you choose?
22:58.41Lnsmy own mail server (also debian lenny)
22:58.41abrotmanprays it's not courier!
22:58.50abrotmanyour own? as in, one you wrote?>
22:58.59rgrand are you sure you're not in a blacklisted IP range?
22:59.00Lnsoh sorry, yeah it's postfix
22:59.02SteveJoneswhich mta are you using lns?
22:59.16Lnson my own mailserver i'm using courier/postfix
22:59.25SteveJonesk well, you should have /var/log/mail.* with data
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22:59.37abrotmanLns: postfix should be logging to /varlog/mail.log or even /var/log/messages i believe
22:59.40Lnsoh ok hahaha..i was checking the sending machine ;)
22:59.51abrotmancute ...
22:59.52SteveJones.. sometime /var/log/mail.info (depends how u set it up)
22:59.54rgrheh, You would not be the first to do that.
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23:00.47SteveJonesalso u can check ur syslog.conf to see what u might have configured (but sounds like you were on the wrong box :) )
23:03.06Lnsecho "blah blah" | mail -s "blah" myemail.add    <-- that *should* work, no?
23:03.14hadeananyone got a manual for PAT in Debian?
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23:04.19abrotmanLns: does it work from the receiving system?
23:04.27abrotmanhadean: Point After Touchdown ?
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23:04.49hadeanport adress translation :P
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23:06.15hadeana örlgra
23:06.17hadeanomg
23:06.42mango_hark: I read the instruction and installed the driver via sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
23:06.55mango_but don't know what to do next?
23:06.57abrotmanhadean: port redirection? like with iptables/netfilter ?
23:07.14hadeanyupp
23:07.20hadeanprogram runs at 8080 and i wanna access it from 81 from the outside
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23:08.16careta<PROTECTED>
23:08.50caretait tells me to reinstall the package but when i try to reinstall it doesnt work
23:08.52harkmango_: modprobe b43, then check dmesg|tail and iwconfig
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23:09.41Lnsabrotman: nope :(
23:09.47Lnssure seems like the correct syntax though
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23:09.57calamarihi
23:10.03harkcareta: where did you install it from?
23:10.20abrotmanLns: double check sending mail from the receiving system
23:10.28calamariI am wondering if the libicu40 dependency can be fixed in 3270-common?   http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/3270-common
23:10.35abrotmancareta: hint .. don't use the Ubuntu package from adobe.com
23:10.52caretaabrotman, too late. hint, i used the ubuntu package from adobe.com
23:11.00Lnsabrotman: I have. no logs from mail.info at all scroll by (i'm using tail -f)
23:11.15caretai mean hark, i used the package from adobe.com
23:11.16cheakokk, why is debian not the OS where one is expected to put /usr on another filesystem and let Ubunto be for desktop systems.
23:11.19abrotmancareta: dpkg --purge --force-reinst-required <package>
23:11.25Lnsalways installs/updates libflashplugin.so manually
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23:12.08harkcareta: install it from backports instead, or dmm. to fix it follow what abrotman said
23:12.14caretaabrotman, dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `reinst-required'
23:12.18SteveJonesi never put anything on another file system, ive seen too many file systems run outta space and cause me headaches
23:12.33abrotmanoh sorery
23:12.33SteveJonesactually i take that back.. only if the >2tb limit is reached
23:12.34Flashtekquick question.. can I resize an EXT3 fs while the system that's using the partition is live /?
23:12.39abrotmancareta: dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstrequired <package>
23:12.46abrotmancareta: dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq <package>
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23:12.50abrotmanmaybe i should read the man page :)
23:12.53prahalstarenka,  http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/PluggableAuthenticationSupport ... so "maybe" in mysql 7 from http://forge.mysql.com/worklog/task.php?id=1054
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23:13.19harkcareta: --force-remove-reinstreq
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23:13.37SteveJonesFlashtek: afaik the wise thing (if not mandatory) thing to do is umount before adjusting sizes of a slice/partition
23:13.41starenkaprahal: is it a fools day today? :D
23:13.49FlashtekSteveJones: it's the root fs i wanna resize..
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23:14.10SteveJonesFlashtek: what about booting off a ubuntu live cd or something of that ilk
23:14.19abrotmancareta: and either use the package from backports.org or debian-multimedia.org
23:14.21FlashtekSteveJones: it's a VM
23:14.36abrotmanyou can still boot off a liveCD
23:14.37SteveJonesFlashtek: so? mount the ubunti live cd image into the vm
23:15.01SteveJonesactually if it's a VM you can do it via vmware o risthis xen?
23:15.05cheakoI just read the help output of isovfy, it had a sentence that said (-i filename | dev=target) | image
23:15.05Flashtekhmm...
23:15.09Flashtekit's Xen
23:15.37prahalprobably . This issue interested me as well it happens always that we end up with passwords in vcs due to this mysql lack of real auth scheme ... so I am still looking after if someone made a quick hack like a passkey-agent for mysql :)
23:15.40SteveJonesi havent done resizes with xen, but i have with vmware,
23:15.45SteveJonesthis might help -> http://serverfault.com/questions/66209/resizing-xen-guests-using-lvm
23:16.02cheakoisovfy: Usage: isovfy -h | -help | -v | (-i filename | dev=target) | image
23:16.03Flashtekthanks SteveJones, i'll take a peek..
23:16.07SteveJonesnp hope i helps
23:16.08SteveJones*it
23:16.22cheakowait should be
23:16.29SteveJonesworst case though just (if possible/ not production) reboot , mount the ubuntu live cd iso , and use that
23:16.32cheakoisovfy: Usage: isovfy -h | -help | -version | (-i filename | dev=target) | image
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23:17.19abrotmancareta: all fixed up ?
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23:18.29Lns*sigh* still nothing. I can get e-mails via telnet session to smtp server, but mail command does nothing. Not even a connect in the receiving server's mail.info logs (i see logs scroll by when telnetted in)
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23:19.22gyyghello
23:19.44SteveJonesLns: from the sending server, can you telnet/send an email with a valid acct to a recipient say to a gmail/yahoo type email?
23:19.53gyygcan someone help me with a scripting question
23:20.15LnsSteveJones: no, it didn't send to my gmail acct either.
23:20.19caretaabrotman, http://pastebin.com/d5cf5fab2
23:20.37LnsIt just seems like bsd-mail is broken or something.
23:20.41Lnsbut i doubt it.
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23:21.14Flashtekgyyg: ask the quesion, we'll try to help
23:21.32SteveJoneslns: see what 'swaks' says
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23:22.35abrotmancareta: install gnash
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23:23.47gyygi need to find the largest file on my system
23:23.52caretaabrotman, it still fails because it cant remove the package
23:23.53gyygwhat should I use?
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23:24.17SteveJonesgyyg: use this
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23:24.57SteveJonesfind . -type f -size +200M -exec ls -lh {} \; | awk '{print $9 ": " $5 }'
23:25.05SteveJonesor change +200M to whatever
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23:26.01SteveJonesor find /
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23:27.17SteveJonesgyyg: did you get that?
23:27.19gyygthat gave me the size
23:27.20gyygyeah
23:27.26SteveJonessize and location yes
23:27.31gyyghow do I get the name as well?
23:27.32SteveJonesisnt that what you asked for?
23:27.36gyygyes
23:27.37SteveJonesheh it does give you the name
23:27.48SteveJonesunless on your system the awk needs a dif $
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23:28.05SteveJonesfind . -type f -size +200M -exec ls -lh {} \;
23:28.06SteveJonesdo that
23:28.14SteveJonesif the awk wasnt working (works for me /shrug)
23:28.17themill!parsing ls
23:28.18dpkgTrying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices).  The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
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23:29.44LnsSteveJones: bah...telnetting into gmail mx servers as well as my own passes msgs, but using mail (bsd-mailx) fails. /me beats his head against the wall
23:29.47SteveJonesor just do find / -type f -size +$$whateverM -print
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23:30.04SteveJoneslns: did swaks give you a bill of health on your mta?
23:30.23gyygthe first one works, but if found stuff in /proc
23:30.27gyygi had a typo
23:30.37gyyghow would I exclude /proc and / dev
23:30.39SteveJoneswell obvoiusly dont delete stuff in places llike that :P
23:30.44LnsSteveJones: oh, i didn't know what swaks was. i'll try
23:30.45SteveJonesgrep -v 'proc'
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23:31.00SteveJoneslns: it's an smtp tester (we use it religiously)
23:31.58SteveJonesgyyg: i dont usually run that against /, usually just /home or /www
23:32.13SteveJonesso /proc other system required type stuff doesnt show, just enduser crap
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23:32.38themillLargest files are unlikely to be system files anyway.
23:32.53SteveJones^^ agreed
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23:33.03SteveJonesbeyon non-rotated logs
23:33.06SteveJones*beyond
23:33.14themillheh
23:33.21gyyggrr. it is not working
23:33.27SteveJoneswhat version of debian?
23:33.34SteveJonesetch? lenny?
23:33.43gyyg2.14.3
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23:33.58SteveJones2?
23:34.12SteveJoneswhats cat /etc/debian_version say?
23:34.13gyyghow do I check my version
23:34.17SteveJones^^
23:34.25gyyg4.o
23:34.28SteveJonesk that's etch
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23:34.53themillsomething like    find . -type f -size +200M -printf "%s %f\n" |sort -n    will work better but still struggle with filenames with very weird characters in the names.
23:35.05SteveJoneson one of my etch servers find . -type f -size +500M -print works just fine for finding file names that are greater than 500meg
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23:35.55SteveJonespiping to sort will take a bit so be patient
23:36.14SteveJonesgyyg: when you say it doesn't work, whats happening? is it just not returning anything? it could take quite some time
23:36.43themillSteveJones: anyway, using -printf to get the size is a lot nicer than going via ls and awk :)
23:36.47SteveJonesif anything create a test foo file thats 1gb , throw it in a test dir, cd to that test dir and run a find .  using the above params
23:36.57gyygfind . -type f -size +500M -print returns nothing
23:36.58SteveJonesthemill: dulely noted
23:37.01jcmhi, I found out that my memory had pbs with memtest86+. Once I receive the new memory package, should I reinstall debian ? can some data be corrupted on disk because of memory failures ?
23:37.08SteveJonesgyyg: does it finish? drop you to a prompt?
23:37.12gyygyes
23:37.15gyygit finnishes
23:37.21SteveJonesthen maybe you dont have any files > 500M
23:37.35SteveJonestest, make a file that 1gb like i stated.. then see if that file shows up
23:37.58LnsSteveJones: ok, using swaks I see it's connecting to localhost to send the message (exim) and not my actual mx server.
23:38.15grishnanwhy speak in English on debian-russian?
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23:38.35SteveJoneslns: are you using exim or is it running?
23:38.58LnsSteveJones: yea...well exim4 is installed by default it seems (on sending server)
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23:39.17toolzI have installed debian!
23:39.26toolz<PROTECTED>
23:39.30Lnsi'm checking out the config files ot see how to disable it (can't remove it as nagios depends on it, which is why i need sending e-mail in the first place)
23:39.32toolzhow do I install this bigmem ?
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23:39.48SteveJonesapt-cache search bigmem
23:39.52toolzwhen searching I only get 2.6.26
23:40.21mango_Hi I am back...I have had a look at b43...installed the driver and modporbed it but still can not see it when I iwconfig...any hint at all please...I am running debian lenny on dell xps M1330..thanks
23:40.24toolzif I install 2.6.26 my disk will not be recognised
23:40.30lhasbsI just installed Debian on my laptop and everything is excellent, but the built-in wifi doesn't seem to work. Where should I go from here?
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23:40.33grishnantoolz? you are jill ?
23:40.39toolzno?
23:40.50gyygthanks, got it
23:40.51rgrLns: mail or sendmail?
23:41.04lhasbsI just installed Debian on my laptop and everything is excellent, but the built-in wifi doesn't seem to work. Where should I go from here?
23:41.11Lnsrgr: mail
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23:42.21SteveJoneslhasbs: whats the wireless chipset / laptop model (smiles@abrotman)
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23:44.05SteveJonesgyyg: np yw
23:44.08mango_SteveJones: I am having the same issue...but I know what mine is...b43...I installed the driver but still can not get it to work...I am runnning debian lenny on dell xps m1330
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23:44.36SteveJonesmango: almost teh same laptop i got
23:45.09mango_SteveJones: :) can you help me set it up please?
23:45.09toolzfrom where can I get the source of linux-image-2.6.30-1?
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23:45.18mango_i has night mares?
23:45.24toolzI have 8GB ram and I want it to see it all
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23:45.29babbageI'm trying to remember the name of an application for viewing photos on Linux.  It supports tags.  Any ideas?
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23:45.47SteveJonesmango_ to be honest: all i can say is when i got wifi working i used the b43cutter or something named like that, got the kernel mod installed and then was sad panda cuz the N speed was eh... but sure ill try and help, it's been a while
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23:46.11SteveJonestoolz: you just need to use a bigmem kernel, just setup your apt-get repos
23:46.39themillbabbage: there are many. digikam and f-spot seem to be popular ones
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23:47.11mango_SteveJones: I have installed on mine  b43-fwcutter rather...I don't know if they are the same?
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23:47.40SteveJonesmango: lshw -C network
23:47.43SteveJonesmango: ya that's what i used
23:47.50themilltoolz: do you have backports.org in your sources.list? /msg dpkg bpo
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23:47.56SteveJonesactually i still have it installed  id' have to reboot heh (im dual booting)
23:48.33gyygSteveJones: what If I am trying to find the oldest file
23:48.43SteveJonesmtime good man
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23:49.10gyygI have find / -type f -mtime +200
23:49.25SteveJonesthat might be too far
23:49.31SteveJonesgyyg: what's your objective?
23:49.35SteveJonesare you running outta disk?
23:49.38gyygshould i pipe it awk?
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23:49.52SteveJonesno need just add a -print / -print0
23:50.04toolzSteveJones the current list does not have 2.6.30.1 if I install 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem, which I did, my disk is not recognised
23:50.06SteveJoneswhats the objective gyyg?
23:50.17gyygjust to find the oldest file possible
23:50.43SteveJonestoolz: that sucks.. :( is this a new install? if so i'd do what im doing, get the 2.6.30 and add your driver support for the raid/drives
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23:50.55mmjj23does anyone know how to get a list of all install packages with apt?
23:51.10jhutchins_ltmmjj23: dpkg --list
23:51.15toolzits a new server
23:51.18toolzyeah its a new install
23:51.18themillgyyg: we're not doing your homework for you, by any chance, are we?
23:51.26toolzty themill, will try now
23:51.30SteveJonesgyyg: start with -mtime 200 then go 150, then 100
23:51.37rgrmmjj23 : dpkg --get-selections
23:51.37rgr<PROTECTED>
23:51.52SteveJonesman i wish i had linux homework.! that'd be fun homework lol
23:52.04themilltoolz: p.d.o tells all: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686-bigmem
23:52.12mmjj23thanks guys!!
23:52.26toolzW: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
23:52.26SteveJonesahh nice to know a 2.6.30 bigmem
23:52.34gyygit can be
23:52.36SteveJonestoolz: ive seen and ha dto fix that too many times to count
23:52.37themillmmjj23: also /msg dpkg aptitude clone
23:52.50themilltoolz: keep reading the instructions
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23:53.10TrueDDGnight to all
23:53.12SteveJonestoolz: to get rid of this
23:53.25mango_SteveJones: http://pastebin.com/m75e9b12a
23:53.36SteveJonesgpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key $THE_KEY_MISSING
23:53.52SteveJonesgpg -a --export $THAT_KEY_AGAIN | apt-key add -
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23:54.10themillor just install the debian-backports-keyring package
23:54.14toolzthemill I get that when apt-get update after adding the line to sources.list
23:54.19themilltoolz: keep reading the instructions
23:55.03paissad_what's the difference between halt and poweroff
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23:56.33toolzthemill wtf, I did everything exactly as it says
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23:56.35toolzsame thing
23:57.04gyygpipes are good!
23:57.08SteveJonestoolz: do what i said  to import the missing key, if you're having key issues
23:57.23SteveJonesmango: reading
23:57.50toolzSteveJones, you were wrong, themill was ok, the key is down the page,
23:57.57toolzyour way did not worked :D
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23:58.08SteveJonesmy way works
23:58.12SteveJonesive done it 1000 times
23:58.16mango_SteveJones: this is the output I have for the b43  /msg dpkg bpo
23:58.32SteveJonesmango: this is what i followed to get it working (i still had it bookmarked) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
23:58.47toolzwhat does bpo mean? backports?
23:58.55themilltoolz: backports.org
23:58.57toolzlinux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686-bigmem
23:59.01toolzic
23:59.02toolzok
23:59.06toolzthanks, I will try this one
23:59.54mango_SteveJones; thanks for the help\

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